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SEVEN O'CLOCK, I'LL CALL THE TOWARDS THE MEETING OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE ADVISORY AND
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OVERSIGHT BOARD AND SAY, CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? CHAIRPERSON THOMAS RESINE, ITS CHAIRPERSON, REBECCA TIBERG, PRESIDENT ANNE-MARIE FRAIZER.DAVID JONES, PRESIDENT FOR TERRY MOHLER, PATRICK WOODWARD.
AND I DON'T SEE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, SO WE'LL MOVE ALONG.
OH, YOU SEE ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES FROM.
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THE APRIL MEETING, EVERYBODY HAS THEM IN FRONT OF THEM, ANY CORRECTIONS OR COMMENTS? AND OF FOR MOTION, MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT A MANAGEMENT APPROACH, MEANING THOSE IN FAVOR I. OAST.THERE IS UNANIMOUS. OK, NEW BUSINESS, OUR BUSINESS UPDATE ON THE ROAD PAVING AND MICRO
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SURFACING REPAIR WANNABE.OK, GREAT, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR TO THE CITY ENGINEER, JUST WANT TO GO OVER A PAVEMENT PRESERVATION AND DISCUSS THE EVALUATION OF THE MARQUIS SCENES THAT WE'VE BEEN USING IN THE CURRENT UNITS, 17 AND 46.
BUT BEFORE I GET INTO THAT NEXT SLIDE, I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT I LIKE THE OVERVIEW OF THE BACK OF THE PAVEMENT PRESERVATION JUST TO EDUCATE THE BOARD.
THERE'S SEVERAL TIERS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR TOOLBOX THAT WE CALL MÉTIS FOR PAVEMENT PRESERVATION. THE TOP LINE WOULD BE THE ROADWAY STRUCTURE, THE BASES, ALL GUYS.
IT'S IN BAD CONDITION. IT'S WHAT THEY CALL A RECONSTRUCTION OF THE ROADWAY.
WE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE SUBBASEMENT BUILD BACK UP THE WHOLE ROADWAY.
IT'S A BASE BASE. AND THEN THE ASPHALT MATERIAL IS PLACED ON TOP.
SO THAT'S THE HIGHEST COST IN JUST BELOW.
THAT IS WHAT THEY CALL FULL DEATH RECLAMATION.
WE USED MATERIALS, SO WE RECYCLED MATERIAL.
YOU POLARIZER BACK IN THE ASPHALT.
SOME CASES WE DON'T HAVE ASPLEY BRING IN BUILDINGS AND YOU MIX IT IN WITH SOME EMULSIONS AND IT MAKES IT WITH BASE MATERIAL AND THAT BECOMES A NEW BASE MATERIAL.
SO THAT'S WHAT THEY CALL FOLD-OUT RECLAMATION.
AND THEN YOU PUT AN AC CAP ON TOP OF THAT.
AND WE'VE BEEN USE THAT FOR MOST OF OUR ROADWAYS.
TYPICALLY THE REASON WHY WE USE FDR AND AND NOT THE RECONSTRUCTION, MAINLY BECAUSE OF THE COST DIFFERENCE, BUT MAINLY BECAUSE WE HAVE A VERY HIGH WATER TABLE, SOME OF OUR AREAS, AND BECAUSE WE HAD THAT HIGH WATER TABLE, WE NEED THAT CEMENT TO MAKE THAT WORK.
WITHOUT THAT, THERE'S NO WAY FOR US TO BUILD THAT BASE.
SOME OF THE AREAS THAT WE WERE HIGHGROUND, THE MAJORITY OF PALM BAY, LIKE IT'S THE MOST OF DDC CITIES, ARE IN HIGH WATER TABLE AREAS CLOSE TO THE WATERWAYS.
THAT'S WHY FDR BECOMES A PRACTICAL METHOD.
SO BEYOND THAT, ARE THE ARE THE HEAVIEST, WHICH YOU CALL WHEN YOU HAVE HAD BASE MATERIAL.
X LEVELS ARE THIS SERIES, BUT YOU CALL MORE IN TERMS OF THE PAVING, IN TERMS OF MEAL AND PAVE, WHICH IS THE ROAD OFF, AND THEN YOU REPAVE IT BACK ON IT.
WE PUT A ONE INCH AND A HALF OR TWO INCH ASPHALT OVERLAY ON TOP OF THAT.
THE BELOW THAT BECOMES WHAT WE CALL JUST AN OVERLAY, A THIN LIFT, WHICH IS USUALLY ABOUT AN INCH AND A HALF. AND THEN BELOW THAT IS WHAT WE CALL MICRO SURFACE SURFACING BACK IN THE ORIGINAL DAYS. IT WAS MORE OF A TYPE SLURRY APPLICATION AND IT STILL IS CONSIDERED A SLURRY TYPE OF APPLICATION, BUT IT'S GOTTEN MORE ADVANCED AND IT'S GOT IN TERMS OF BETTER QUALITY, IN TERMS OF A ROADWAY TREATMENT.
IT IS NOT APPLIED LIKE AN ASPHALT WHERE YOU USE AN ASSAULT MACHINE WITH AGGREGATE.
IT IT'S APPLIED USING A SPRAY DEVICE.
AND I'LL GIVE YOU THE DETAILS WITH THAT AS WE GO INTO THE PRESENTATION.
AND THEN BEYOND THAT, USUALLY THEN BELOW THAT IS WHAT WE CALL OUR MAINTENANCE.
WHAT WE HEAR IS SOMETIMES A REJUVENATION.
SO THAT'S NOT REALLY I CALL THESE TOOLS, BUT MAINTENANCE, IS IT MAINTAINING YOUR ROADWAYS SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO GET INTO THIS SITUATION? THAT'S WHAT WE CALL REJUVENATION.
I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT YOU THE TOOLS WE HAVE ON OUR PAVEMENT.
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JUST A COUPLE OF SIZE, EVEN IF YOU HAD NOT SEEN WHAT ASPHALT PAVING IS THIS A TYPICAL THESE WERE TAKEN FOR THE FOUR FIRST YEAR, FIRST YEAR PHASE ONE.I THINK THESE ARE IN UNITS. THIRTY ONE, THIRTY TWO MAJORITY.
THIS IS JUST STANDARD MILLING.
THERE WERE A MILLION MAJORITY.
SO YOU SEE THE STANDARD TYPE OF THERE'S A THERE'S A ASPHALT BOX, ASPHALT GETS DUMPED INTO IT. THERE'S A ROAD THAT FALLS BEHIND A STEEL ROLLER THAN THAN A RUBBER TOWER ROLLER.
AND ONE OF THE BOTTOM SHOWS WHAT THEY CALL A SHUTTLE BUGGY, WHICH THEY YOU COULD TRANSFER UNIT, WHICH THEN CARRIES MORE ASPHALT.
SO IF YOU DO IN A LARGER CORRIDOR, IT SAVES FROM THE DEMCHUK BANGING INTO THE ASPHALT MACHINE. SO IT PROVIDES THAT THEY CALL A SHUTTLE BUGGY TO CARRY THE ASPHALT AT THE SAME TIME, PREVENT THAT DEMCHUK BOOM, PRETTY MUCH BANG IT INTO THE ASPHALT MACHINE SO THAT WE GET A NICE APPLICATION.
SO THERE'S JUST SOME HIGHLIGHTS TO SHOW YOU WHAT THE DIFFERENT TESTS.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE USE NEXT, VINCENT.
NOW WE GO INTO WHAT WE CALL MICRO SURFACING, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, DIFFERENT FROM THOSE PHOTOGRAPHS WHERE YOU SAW AN ASSAULT MACHINE AND YOU SEE ROLLER'S AND YOU SEE A SHUTTLE BUGGY AND DUMP TRUCKS FULL OF ASPHALT MICRO SURFACING.
IT COMES OFF WHAT I CALL GOT LIKE A LITTLE BASHED TRUCK, NOT A TANKER.
AND THE GOOD OLD DAYS BACK WHEN I FIRST STARTED WITH MICROCIRCUIT SAYING IT WAS A TANKER, IT WAS NO REAL CONTROL OF THE DEVICE.
IT WAS SPRAYED UP, GUYS, TO THROW THE ROCKS.
AND YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE A GOOD JUDGE IN HOW MUCH MATERIAL, HOW THE EMOTION.
SO IT WAS ALL A JUDGMENT CALL TODAY.
THESE NEW DEVICES ARE ALL CONTROLLED ELECTRONICALLY ON THAT DEVICE.
IT CARRIES THE EMOTION ACROSS THE CEMENT AREAS TO ROCK.
SO IT'S ALL TAKING INTO A MIXTURE AND IT GETS DUMPED INTO A SPREADER BOX FOR THESE GUYS ARE STANDING ON. AND IT YOU SEE IT DAYS OUT OR LIKE A LIKE A SLURRY.
SO THAT'S WHAT MY QUESTION THING IS, I JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT ASFOUR? IT IS TO A MICRO SURFACING SLIDE, VINCENT, JUST TO HIGHLIGHT AGAIN WHERE WE SIT RIGHT NOW, AND THAT'S WHY I'M BRINGING THIS UP TO YOU TODAY AND JUST EDUCATING THE BOARD AND THE PUBLIC.
OUR FIRST TWO MAJOR PROJECTS FOR MAXTOR I WAS IN 1746 IN THE YEAR TWO OF THE PHASE TWO, HOWEVER, AND THE FIRST YEAR WE DID DO ONE LARGE CORRIDA, WHICH WAS COGGIN, THAT WAS MICRO SERVICING, AND THAT CAME OUT VERY WELL.
WE HAD NO PROBLEMS. SO BECAUSE OF THAT, NO SUCCESS, WE SAID WE'RE GOOD TO GO WITH UNIT 1746, THAT WE MOVED FORWARD.
UNIT 17 HAVE OVER SEVEN MILES OF MOKRA SERVICING AND UNIT 46 HAD OVER 40 MILES OF MICRO SERVICING. BOTH HAVE BEEN COMPLETED, AS IT'S SHOWN HERE ON MAY 4TH.
HOWEVER, AS WE STARTED TO DO THE APPLICATIONS AND WE STARTED OBSERVING MATERIAL THAT YOU COULD SAY THAT WE STARTED SEEING SOME ISSUES REGARDING THE SURFACE ITSELF, WHAT HAPPENED WAS ON THE FIRST ATTEMPT WHEN WE STARTED PLACING THE APPLICATION, WE STARTED SEEING MARKINGS ON THE SURFACE, WE CALL TIREDLY.
BASICALLY, THESE ARE THE AREAS WHERE PEOPLE'S DRIVEWAYS WERE PULLING OUT.
AND IT IS YOU KNOW, IF YOU JUST TURN THE STEERING WHEEL, YOU TURN THIS TO WILL, THE CAR IS STATIONARY, IT DRILLING INTO THE ASPHALT, WE START TO SEE MORE AND MORE THESE LITTLE DIVOT. SOME OF THESE ARE JUST OTHER RUTS, AS WELL AS BACKING UP LARGER VEHICLES, BACKING UP ONTO THE ONTO THE MAT.
SO WE WE STARTED GETTING REAL CONCERN BECAUSE IT WASN'T ESTHETICALLY PLEASING FOR THE REST. ADJURE THAT PEOPLE WERE COMPLAINING THAT THE ROAD WAS IN BETTER SHAPE AFTER LACK SURFACE TO ROAD WITH ALL THESE DIVOTS PERCEPTION.
SO WE STARTED LOOKING INTO IT.
WE STARTED HEARING ALL THESE CONCERNS ABOUT THESE DEBATES NOT BEING TOO SOFT, NOT BEING CONSISTENT. AND SO WE APPROACHED A CONTRACTOR AND WE STARTED LOOKING INTO WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE REMEDY? IN ADDITION TO THAT, I'VE DONE A DECENT AMOUNT OF RESEARCH AND I'LL GO OVER THAT AS WELL, BUT I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THAT RAISED OUR OUR INTEREST.
AND THERE'S SOMETHING THAT THAT OK HERE WITH THE.
NOT GO INTO SOME MORE DETAIL, BUT SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE WERE RAISED AND SO WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT WHAT WE USE FOR OUR SPECS, MAKE SURE WE JUST DON'T.
SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO, WE ARE USING THE STANDARD FOR MICRO SERVICING, WHICH IS SECTIONS THREE. THIRTY FIVE ARE THIS SPECIFICATION IS FOR LOCAL USE F THAT DOES NOT APPLY AND DOES NOT US USE EVERYTHING ON THE FREEWAYS.
SO THEY STOP ENDORSING, YOU CAN SAY ENDORSING THIS IN TWENTY THIRTEEN.
HOWEVER, THEY STILL ALLOW US LOCAL CITIES, THEY POST IT AND THEY ENCOURAGE LOCAL TO USE IT, NOT MADE FOR STATE HIGHWAYS.
THESE ARE SURFACING ABOUT OTHER CITIES, USE THE SAME SPEC AS WELL TO DO THEM.
I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT, THAT WE DO USE A SET OF GUIDELINES AND SPECIFICATIONS AND
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SIT NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH RIGHT NOW.SO THE PHOTOGRAPH HERE SHOWS YOU THIS IS WHERE YOU CAN SEE A DRIVE, WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE SURFACE MATERIAL AND YOU CAN START SEEING ALL THE LITTLE DIVOTS.
SO AS YOU SEE, OK, YOU KNOW, FROM A SURFACE STANDPOINT, FROM A STATIC STANDPOINT, YOU KNOW, THE. OCEANS, THEY'RE THE MATERIALS AREA, BUT, YOU KNOW, AT THESE LITTLE DIVOT.
SO THEN WE WOULD QUESTION ABOUT THAT PICTURE.
ARE THOSE ARC'S LEGACY FROM BEFORE IT WAS PUT DOWN, AFTER IT WAS PUT IN AFTER THIS? WAS THAT HOW SOON AFTER IT WAS PUT? IT WAS, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICATION WE LEARN AND I'LL GO WITH IT TO TRY TO FIX IT.
BUT WE BELIEVE THAT THE SECOND LAYER WAS PLACED ON TEHSIL WITH THE FIRST LADY WAS STILL NOT CHIRI. HOWEVER, AS YOU CAN SEE, THESE ARE ON THE SURFACE LAYER.
SO THESE ARE THESE ARE THESE ARE DIVOTS.
AND I WASN'T SURE IF IT WAS JUST IF THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT BLEW IT UP TO THAT.
YOU COULD SEE BECAUSE OF IT, IT WAS HARD TO FIND THE BOTTOM LAYER.
THESE ARE THESE WERE EXTERNAL FROM THE THE VEHICLES HITTING THE SURFACE.
AND WE'VE HAD MANY CASES IN MANY CASES, AND SO WITH THAT, WE APPROACHED OUR CONTRACTOR AND THEY'RE HERE TODAY TO AND SO ALLOW THEM TO SPEAK AS WELL AFTERWARDS.
BUT WE APPROACHED THEM AND SO THEN SAID THE NEXT NIGHT WE CAME UP WITH THAT KIND OF AN ACTION PLAN. SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAD WE NEED TO COME UP WITH SOME SORT OF A PILOT REPAIR APPLICATION TO TAKE CARE OF WHAT WE'VE SEEN SO FAR.
AND THEY STEPPED UP TO THE PLATE REAL FAST AND WE PICKED THE STREET.
WHAT WE DECIDE WAS THE BEST TEST STRIP, WHICH WAS WILLDAN AND UNIT 17, WHICH WAS ABOUT A THOUSAND FEET LONG.
WE THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE A GREAT APPLICATION TO DO.
AND IN THAT PROCESS OF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE BEST WAY TO RESOLVE THIS, THEY CAME UP WITH SOME SUGGESTIONS.
THE FIRST ONE WAS TO TO LET THE INITIAL LOW COST CRASH COURSE FIT FOR TWENTY FOUR HOURS, GIVE IT A GOOD CURING TIME.
WE APPLIED THE SECOND WE ALL AGREED ON THAT.
THAT WAS SOUND LIKE A SMART IDEA.
THE SECOND REASON WAS EVEN AFTER THAT, THE MAKE SURE GIVE IT MORE TIME.
TRAFFIC ON IT, IN ADDITION TO THAT, IN MANY CASES, THEY DO ENCOURAGE THE USE OF A RUBBER TIRE ROLLER YOU DIDN'T USE BEFORE.
AND SO WE WE SUPPORTED THAT IDEA.
SO WE THEN BROUGHT IN A RUBBER TIRE ROLLER AS PART OF THE OUR APPLICATION.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, THEY CAME UP WITH WHAT THEY HAVE FOR THE INTERSECTIONS WHERE HAVE STOPPED SOME OF THE DRIVEWAYS WHERE PEOPLE PULL OUT.
YOU COULD JUST KIND OF LIKE A DUST MATERIAL.
THEY CALL IT A BLACK MAGIC AND THEY JUST MATURE.
THAT DOESN'T HAVE THEIR FRICTION BECAUSE IT REDUCES FRICTION.
BUT THAT HELPS THEN MAYBE TO NOT HAVE THOSE.
BUT IF IT'S A WHEREVER, WE HAD PROBABLY LOCATIONS AND INTERSECTIONS, APPLICATIONS THEY SPRAYED. ON THE.
WHAT THOSE SUGGESTIONS AND WE TRIED THIS ON THE SMALL SECTION OF WILLDAN FIRST AS A TEST CASE AND SEE IF THAT WOULD BE THE BEST SOLUTION TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THIS IS THE ACTUAL PHOTOGRAPH OF WHAT WE DID.
AS YOU SEE SHOWS, WE APPLY DIFFERENT METHODS TO THE ACTUAL.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT DIFFERENT OPTIONS TO WHAT'S THE BEST SOLUTION WOULD BE, I ACTUALLY SEE YOU CAN SEE THAT WE TOOK OUR TIME.
WE GIVE IT THE 24 HOURS, BUT ON A ROLLER WE USED TO TEST.
HOWEVER, AGAIN, OUR BAD SITUATION IS, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE ROAD.
THERE'S ONLY ONE HOUSE TOWARDS THE END.
SO THERE'S NOT REALLY TOO MANY DRIVEWAYS ON.
SO THIS WAS PRETTY MUCH SITUATION WOULD BE SIMILAR TO WE HAD LIKE ONCOGENE, WE ARE A ROADWAY WITH NO TRAFFIC AND IF NOT KNOWN, WELL DONE.
WELL DONE IS THE ONLY STREET THAT CONNECTS THAT SECTION, UNIT 17, THE OTHER SIDE.
THIS IS THE ONLY ROAD THAT CUTS THROUGH.
IT'S A BYPASS THAT CUTS THROUGH THOSE RESIDENTIAL STREETS AND MAYBE IN THAT SENSE THAT CARS A LITTLE BIT OF TRAFFIC.
ROLL IT OUT. AGAIN, THAT WAS OUR TEST CASE AND IT CAME UP GOOD.
SO WITH THAT, WE WERE POSITIVE.
WE ALSO LOOKED AT OTHER PATRICK REPAIRERS THAT THEY THOUGHT THIS CAN BE DONE.
HE THEN MOVED FORWARD TO FINISH UP THE REST OF THE 1746, AND WE DID.
SO MOVING ON AND I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT IN PROCESS THAT WE WENT THROUGH AND INVESTIGATING ALL THE INFORMATION THAT I TALKED ABOUT, THOSE TRUCKS THEY DO PUT OUT ELECTRONIC TICKET SLIP IS WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE WHEN THAT TEST STRIPS, IF YOU SEE THOSE DIFFERENT TYPES OF MATERIALS AT PRESENT.
SO YOU CAN START LOOKING AT THE RATIOS.
AND I WAS LOOKING AT ALL THE ONES PREVIOUS KOGAN SLIPS TO SLIPS AND THERE'S A TYPO HERE
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THAT BEYLER AT NINE PERCENT.THAT'S WRONG. I TYPED IN OR NOT.
THAT'S TOO HIGH, BUT YOU START LOOKING AT THESE DIFFERENT PERCENTAGES OF EMOTION THAT FILTER THE WATER, THE ADDITIVES.
YOU KNOW, AND ARE THEY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE DID IN THE PAST AND THEY WERE THEY WERE ACTUALLY PRETTY CONSISTENT IN COGGIN, HOWEVER, YOU KNOW.
I'M JUST SHOWING THAT BECAUSE THERE'S THERE'S A THERE'S A MATRIX TWO DIFFERENT THAN ASPO AT ROCK AND THIS IS A IS A MATRIX.
TAKES A LITTLE BIT TRIGGER SOMETHING FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, BECAUSE YOU'RE SO CLOSE IN ENERGY, IT'S A LITTLE BIT A.
SO WE LOOKED AT THESE IN DETAIL.
I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT YOU THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT ALL THIS INFORMATION I THE NEXT SLIDE, THEY ALSO DO WHAT THEY CALL THEIR OWN INTERNAL TESTING AND TRY TO USE THAT TO EXTEND THEIR INFORMATION AND AGAIN, USING THE SAME PARAMETERS THAT WE HAD.
RUNNING THE PARAMETERS AND THE MATRIX, I WOULD DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT.
ASK. IT DOESN'T AGAIN JUSTIFY, YOU KNOW.
I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT, THAT THEY DID THEIR OWN MAKE SURE WE HAVE ALL THESE CHECKS AND BALANCES AND SAID THE NEXT LINE, THE FINDINGS.
HERE'S WHERE WE SIT TODAY. AS I'M TO LET YOU KNOW, THERE'S MORE TO THIS FINDING BECAUSE I'M STILL INVESTIGATING RIGHT NOW AFTER NYMPHOMANIA TEST CASE ON WELDEN AND THE LACK OF SERVICING THAT WELDON CAME UP GOOD.
HOWEVER, WE STILL HAVE ALL THESE DIVISIONS AND AND THERE IS, YOU KNOW, SOME ROLLING OUT, SOME NOT ROLLING OUT.
MAYBE THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE.
BUT WE HAVE THOSE ISSUES, SO WE'RE STILL CONCERNED WHERE WE HAVE THESE THESE IF ON THE ROADWAYS. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE OTHER AREAS THAT WE HAVE SOME GRASS GROWING ON THE EDGES AND THAT'S A GIVEN TO YOU DON'T SPRAY HERBICIDE ON THE ROADWAY, EVEN ASPHALT ROADWAYS. YES, THE.
ISSUE IS YOU GET A HIT HERBICIDE ON THE.
BUT WE'RE STILL CONCERNED ABOUT ALL THESE OTHER ISSUES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE FINISH GOING FORWARD WITH.
SO WITH THAT AND WITH STAFF INSPECTING OUR STREETS AND WE RIGHT NOW COMING TOWARDS OUR PUNCH LIST OF THE STREET, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A WHOLE LIST OF ROADWAYS THAT WE'RE STILL NOT. WE HAVEN'T RULED OUT.
WE'RE NOT REALLY SURE IF THE ISSUE OF WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO ROLL OUT, BECAUSE IT'S BASED ON LOVENHEIM STREET.
I DON'T THINK I BE SOME ADDITIONAL.
ENTOURAGE ARE ROLLING ONTO THAT HELP, THAT IS JUST TOO AS WELL.
BUT ONE THING WE DID IDENTIFY AND THEY ALL IDENTIFIED THIS TO THE VERY LAST ITEM.
AND SEVERAL CITIES, IN FACT, ALL OF THEM HAVE.
APPLICATIONS SHOULD BE DONE IN.
OF COURSE IT ARE. COOKING WAS DONE IN THE COOLER, MONTHS WAS DONE AND OVER IN NOVEMBER.
OTHER CITIES I'VE TALKED TO, WEST MELBOURNE COUNTY TO SEE EVEN I TALK TO A CITY OF OCCULTED ALL KIND OF HIGHLIGHT THAT HUMANS ARE BETTER.
AND IT'S GOING TO START, SO WE PUT THAT ON THE MAP AND EVEN THE OWNER OF THE COMPANY.
WHERE DOES THAT GO FROM A I SPENT A GOOD PORTION OF LAST FRIDAY, I WENT DOWN TO ST.
LUCIE COUNTY HAS LOST THE LAST 10 YEARS.
HAVE ONE ON A LOT OF ROADS, PAVED ROADS, ALL COUNTIES HAVE THAT OH ARKESTRA.
LOOK AT SOME OF THE STREETS THROUGH ARTERIALS, ECLECTUS, SIMILAR SKOGEN.
OK, GOOD SHAPE THAT, A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
I DID LOOK AT ONE OF THE STREETS BECAUSE I ASKED THE GUY I WANT TO LOOK AT THE LOCALS HAVE A LOCAL. IN ONE WAS CALLED CAS, WAY DOWN THERE IN ST..
AND SO SO I WENT DOWN THERE AND TOOK A LOOK AT IT, AND LO AND BEHOLD, THERE WERE DEBATES AND SOME OF THE DRIVEWAY'S, THEY WERE ROLLED OUT, THERE WERE FADED, BUT THERE WERE THE DEBATES AS WELL.
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THAT TELLS ME THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO ROLL OUT.OR THE AMOUNT OF TIME I THINK DONE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AND ASKED THEM AGAIN BACK.
I CAN TELL BY THE SURFACE OF THE.
SO. AND IT'S PROVIDING ALL THE FACTS WE HAVE, UH, SO WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? SUFFOCATION, THE BITS ARE LITTLE, THINGS AREN'T HIBBITTS, THERE ARE LITTLE SINKS IN THE ROAD, THEY'RE ACTUALLY WHERE THE DRIVEWAYS ARE, THEY'RE CLOSER TO THE DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE POINTS OF EACH OF THE DRIVEWAYS.
OH, BUT IT'S DEPENDS ON, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THESE ARE DRIVEWAYS WITH HEAVY VEHICLES OR SMALL DRIVEWAYS AND THEY HAVE A TRAILER OR SOMETHING ATTACHED TO IT, YOU KNOW, SO SLIGHTLY A LITTLE BIT MORE HEAVIER.
YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T SEE EVERY DRIVEWAY, BUT THEY ARE ON THE ONES THAT HAVE SEE THE BIGGER TRUCK, THE TRAILER, YOU KNOW, AND THEN YOU LOOK AT THE SURFACE OF THE DRIVEWAYS AND A LITTLE BIT IT'S AN ESTHETIC CONCERN OR A STRUCTURAL CONCERN OR BOTH.
AND LET THE CONTRACTOR, I BELIEVE THAT THE ROAD IS STILL THERE.
ALL WE DID IS WILL BE A SLURRY ON ACCIDENT.
SO THERE IS NO STRUCTURAL BEHIND.
IT'S NOT LIKE ASPHALT, BUT AN ASPHALT THAT'S GOT A STRUCTURE.
THIS IS IT'S MORE LIKE A SLURRY IT USED WITH SLURRY BECAUSE BACK IN THOSE DAYS.
AT. AND I DON'T CONSIDER IT IS A SERIOUS APPLICATION, BUT IT'S GOT MORE TO IT.
BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY HAVE I CALL IT A STRUCTURE, IT'S GOT BECAUSE SOME SOME THERE I DON'T CONSIDER IT TO BE A STRUCTURAL.
BUT WITH THAT, MAYBE I'M WRONG, THE WAY I THINK ABOUT IT IS IT'S ALWAYS A LIQUID, JUST A DIFFERENT IT'S.
I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, I'M GOING TO CONTINUE MY RESEARCH THAT A LOT OF DIFFERENT AGENCIES ARE GOING TO CONTINUE REACHING OUT.
I'M STILL WAITING FOR A CALL BACK FROM IF NOT FROM TWO DIFFERENT DOTS THAT YOU APPLY USING MICRO SERVICING.
I'D LIKE TO GET THEIR INPUT, THEIR FEEDBACK.
THE OTHER OPTION THAT WAS DISCUSSED MORE OUT THERE WAS MAYBE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT TO WHICH A LOT OF CITIES DO.
WE GO TO THE INCH AND A HALF FOR AN OVERLAY.
YOU KNOW, SOME CITIES GO TO ONE AGENCY AND GO TO ANOTHER THREE QUARTERS TO A HALF.
IF YOU LOVE CITIES, GO TO ONE OF THEM.
DOES GIVE YOU A STRUCTURAL COURSE LAYER ON TOP.
SO THAT'S AN OPTION WE MAY WANT TO LOOK AT.
AND SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE LISTING THERE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE COST BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, AN INCH AND A HALF TO TWO INCHES AT FOURTEEN DOLLARS GORGA COMPARED TO AUSTIN OBERLY.
ONE ENTRY. SEVEN DOLLARS, WHICH IS HALF THE COST OF MICROSOFT, WHICH WILL LIKE FOR THE DIFFERENCE IN US.
IS IT THE NEXT SLIDE JUST SHOWS YOU A COMPARISON THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, AS I WAS TALKING, ONE OF THOSE KIND OF HIGHLIGHTS, IF.
AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T CONSIDER.
AND. OUT OF CITIES, AGAIN, A LOT OF CITIES AND USING IT.
A PATIENT OF OUR SITUATION, WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF IT.
WANTED TO EDUCATE THE BOARD AND THE PUBLIC THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WORKING ON, WE HAVE RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN A SEARCH TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FIX THESE.
I JUST WANTED TO PRESENT THAT THE BOARD AND MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND WE ARE WORKING ON THIS, YOU UNDERSTAND THIS, AND A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTS, ESPECIALLY ONES THEY HAVE IN FRONT OF THE ROADWAY. AND IF THEY'RE RODWAY, I WOULDN'T WANT THAT ON MY.
JUST WANT TO RAISE IT UP WITH.
AND THEN I'M GOING TO HAVE, IF YOU LIKE, I'M GOING TO HAVE THE COMPANY, THE COMPANY, CPS REPRESENTATIVES, REPRESENTATIVE HERE, AND IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'D LIKE TO HAVE THEM STEP
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UP. ALL RIGHT.CAN I ASK YOU A QUICK QUESTION, FRANK? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR ON THIS.
THE TEST TOOK PLACE IN NOVEMBER FROM COGAN'S SANFILIPPO.
THAT WAS THAT WAS THE ONE WE DID LAST YEAR.
IT WAS COGIE. AND THAT WAS THEN A TEST CASE.
KNOW IN A WORLD IN A TEST CASE WAS ON WORLD.
OK, OK, SO ON HERE, IT SAID THAT THE ORIGINAL TEST CASE WAS FROM COGGIN, FROM SAN FRANCISCO TO BABCOCK, AND THAT WAS NOVEMBER 2020.
YOU DIDN'T YOU DIDN'T SEE THE DIVOTS IN THE FIRST TEST OF THE ORIGINAL I CALL IT THE ORIGINAL TEST CASE WAS WE USE THAT AS A SEE IF WE'RE GOING TO GO IN THAT DIRECTION.
AND SO WE JUST PICKED ONE STREET YEAR, ONE OF PHASE ONE OF THE PROGRAM, WHICH WAS COLGIN BETWEEN SCIENCE PEOPLE AND BABCOCK.
AND THIS DAY WE STILL DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM.
ACTUALLY, WE ACTUALLY I THINK ASHU WE ACTUALLY WE ACTUALLY REJUVENATE.
AND IT IS DATE. THAT ROAD IS IN GREAT SHAPE.
THAT'S WHERE I GUESS IN MY HEAD, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ARE THE BIGGER DIFFERENCES THEN SINCE THAT ONE LIKE HIM IN IT AND IT TURNED OUT EXCELLENT.
SO HE ROLLED IT OUT AND WE START TO SEE THESE DIFFERENCES.
WHAT WAS THE MAJOR DIFFERENCE OF HOW IT WAS DONE TO WHERE WE WE.
I THINK THE ISSUE IS GOING TO BE A LOW TEMPERATURE, MAYBE SOMETHING.
BUT APPLYING THE SECOND LAYER.
THE FIRST LAYER. SEPARATE TIMING, SO LIKE, YEAH, BUT, UH, AND, UH, THOUGHT WE COULD PULL IT BETTER MAYBE, BUT NOW THE, UH, THE DEFENSE IS STILL OUT THERE ON.
AFTER AN HOUR, REPAIRS AND OUR ROLLING.
SO PRETTY NOSE. I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO HAVE A.
FIRST, THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK WITHOUT A MAN.
I COME FROM A STATE WHERE WISH STILL WEAR A MASK, SO I APPRECIATE THAT.
YOU KNOW, I WAS OUT ON THIS PROJECT THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THE KUCHERA CONSTRUCTION.
AND WHEN THE ISSUES STARTED COMING UP, AS FRANK IS IDENTIFIED, THERE'S BEEN SOME ISSUES WITH THE DOUBLE APPLICATION BEING THE SAME DAY THEY WERE CORRECTED.
THE IMPORTANT THING WHEN MIKE RESURFACING IS WHY YOU'RE DOING IT.
OK, SO YOU HAVE AN ASPHALT SURFACE THAT YOU WANT TO PRESERVE.
AS FRANK SAID, IT'S NOT A STRUCTURAL PRODUCT.
IT IS SOMETHING DONE TO PRESERVE THE ROAD UNDERNEATH.
THE BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT MAKES ASPHALT AND MIKE RESURFACING, THOUGH, IS THE ASPHALT CONTENT AND WHY THE WARM TEMPERATURES AFFECT THIS PRODUCT MORE THAN IT WILL A HOT MIX NOW. SO IN THE HOT MIX YOU GUYS HAVE IN TOWN, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO RIDE AND LOOK AND NOT BE CRITICAL OF IT. BUT IT HAS IT HAS POWER STEERING MARKS AS WELL.
IT DOESN'T GO AS DEEP BECAUSE OURS IS A THIN LAYER COMPARED TO AN INCH AND A HALF OR A TWO INCH OVERLAY. BUT IT DOES REACT KIND OF THE SAME WAY.
BUT THE BIG DIFFERENCE IS OUR PRODUCT IS RUNNING ABOUT EIGHT PERCENT LIQUID ASPHALT IN IT AND CONVENTIONAL ASPHALT ARE RUNNING SOMEWHERE BETWEEN FIVE AND FIVE AND A HALF PERCENT.
THAT'S A PRETTY BIG DIFFERENCE AND THAT'S WHY THE HEAT MAKES SUCH A BIG DIFFERENCE.
BUT THE MAIN REASON I CAME DOWN FROM FROM JERSEY TODAY IS I WAS THERE WHEN WE MADE SOME OF THESE CHANGES AND EARLY ON WHEN WE WERE DOING THE DOUBLE APPLICATIONS THE SAME DAY, WE RECOGNIZE THAT AS A PROBLEM BECAUSE MICRO SERVICING THE THING WITH MICRO SERVICING IS THE CURE. AND THE CURE IS FOR THE MOISTURE TO EVAPORATE OUT OF THE PRODUCT BECAUSE IT'S MADE WITH AN ASPHALT EMULSION THAT IS ABOUT 35 PERCENT LIQUID AND THE REST IS ASPHALT, EVEN THOUGH WE END UP WITH AN EIGHT PERCENT ASPHALT CONTENT AT THE END OR SO.
SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE WAITING FOR.
SO TO DO A DOUBLE APPLICATION IS SAME DAY IS GENERALLY NOT A GOOD IDEA.
AND WE STOPPED THE GUYS IMMEDIATELY.
I WANTED TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED.
WE MADE SOME OF THOSE CHANGES AND I CAME DOWN TODAY TO DO THAT AND WE MADE SOME CHEMICAL CHANGES IN OUR PLANT THAT WOULD HELP GET THAT WATER OUT QUICKER.
AND THE ROADS THAT I WAS ON WHERE WE USED THESE CHEMICAL CHANGES DIDN'T DO THE THE DOUBLE APPLICATIONS THE SAME DAY AND APPLY THE LAW, I THINK, ARE PERFORMING BETTER THAN THE ROADS THAT WE HAD DONE INITIALLY.
THERE'S SOME WORK THAT HAS TO BE DONE.
THERE'S SOME REPAIRS THAT HAVE TO BE DONE.
BUT IN COMPARING THE ROADS THAT WE DID THIS YEAR TO COOGAN, THE TRAFFIC IS UNBELIEVABLY DIFFERENT. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 10000 CARS OR SO A DAY VERSUS LOCAL TRAFFIC.
AND THEY'RE NOT COMING OUT AND DOING THE KATAN WHERE WE SIT AND WE JUST SPIN THE WHEEL WHILE WE'RE SITTING STILL.
THAT'LL DAMAGE ANY ASPHALT ROADWAY.
BUT AS FAR AS ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION ABOUT STRUCTURE, MICRO SERVICING DOESN'T PROVIDE STRUCTURE, BUT IT DOES SUPPLY A COATING THAT WILL PROTECT YOUR ASPHALT.
SO EVEN THOUGH ESTHETICALLY, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE IT ESTHETICALLY PLEASING BECAUSE THE PUBLIC DOESN'T WANT TO SEE SOMETHING, IT'S NOT PLEASING.
RIGHT. BUT IT IS PERFORMING THE FUNCTION THAT YOU GUYS WANTED IT TO DO, WHICH IS PROTECT THAT ASPHALT UNDERNEATH.
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THERE ARE SOME REPAIRS THAT HAVE TO BE MADE AND WE'RE GOING TO DO THOSE AND WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH FRANK TO GET THEM DONE.BUT, YOU KNOW, OVERALL, THE CHANGES THAT WE MADE DURING THE COURSE OF CONSTRUCTION, I WAS HAPPY WITH. I'VE BEEN DOING THIS 30 YEARS.
THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS ISSUE WITH TOWNS.
AND IT WAS ALWAYS AN INITIAL REACTION.
WHEN YOU FIRST SEE IT. IT'S KIND OF ALARMING.
YOU'RE SEEING THIS NEW ASPHALT AND IT'S ALL SCUFFED UP AND A YEAR LATER THEY COME BACK AND IT'S IT'S ALWAYS THE SAME THING.
IT DID WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO IT PRESERVE THE ROADS AND WE CONTINUE THE PROGRAMS. SO THERE ARE CHANGES WE MADE.
AND I'M SURE WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS OUR COMPANY GOES, I THINK THE OWNER GAVE YOU A THREE YEAR GUARANTEED AND HE MENTIONED THAT TO YOU GUYS.
SO EVEN HOT MAKES GUYS DON'T GIVE THREE YEAR GUARANTEES ON HER PRODUCT.
WE GIVE A THREE YEAR GUARANTEE ON A PRODUCT.
WE WILL COME BACK. AND IF THERE ARE STRUCTURAL ISSUES, MEANING THAT IT WENT DOWN TO THE ASPHALT, THEY'RE GOING TO BE FIXED.
I DON'T SEE THAT. I DID SEE SOME POWER STEERING MARKS THAT I WASN'T HAPPY WITH THAT I THINK HAVE TO BE DONE. BUT THIS IS A SENSITIVE PRODUCT THAT, AS FRANK HAS SAID AND IT'S KIND OF FUNNY IF YOU THINK ABOUT HOW IT MAKES ASPHALT, IT'S MADE IN A PLANT WITH CONTROL.
WE'RE MAKING ASPHALT GOING DOWN THE ROAD IN A MILE, HALF AN HOUR.
SO WE HAVE ALL THE PRODUCTS WE HAVE ON THIS TRUCK AND THAT ASPHALT IS LITERALLY BEING MADE WHY YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN A ROAD.
SO THE FACT THAT IT COMES OUT LIQUID, AS YOU SAID, AND THEN TURNS HARD AT THE END OF THE DAY FOR A ROTTING SURFACE IS PRETTY REMARKABLE.
BUT IN REGARD TO WHAT THE PRODUCT CAN DO, WE'VE DONE PROJECTS AND I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A LONG TIME. BUT I'VE ACTUALLY THEY REDO THE BROOKLYN BRIDGE EVERY EIGHT YEARS.
I'M TOLD THAT'S MY LAST ONE WAS THE LAST ONE I WANT TO GET TO BEFORE I RETIRE.
BUT THE REASON THEY USE IT IS IT IS SUCH A DURABLE PRODUCT.
I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 120000 ADT A DAY ON IT ON A PROJECT LIKE THE BROOKLYN BRIDGE. AND IT'S FUNNY THAT YOU MENTIONED EFFORT AND NOT DOING HEAVILY TRAVELED ROADWAYS.
WE DO THE PENNSYLVANIA TURNPIKE UP NORTH.
A LOT OF YOUR INTERSTATE WORK IS BEING DONE WITH MIKE RESURFACING NO.
THE NO TO TO PRESERVE THAT THAT INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT THAT YOU MADE AND THAT INITIAL PAVING THAT SEVEN OR THAT FOURTEEN DOLLARS A SQUARE YARD, YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO REPLACE THAT IN TEN YEARS.
YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO SAVE IT NO DIFFERENT THAN A ROOF ON A HOUSE AND.
THAT'S WHAT THAT MICRO SERVICING PRODUCT IS OFFERING YOU GUYS.
NOW, I THINK WE MADE SOME POSITIVE CHANGES, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE CAME OUT THAT TIME AND AGAIN, THAT'S WHY I CAME DOWN.
I WANTED TO SEE THE CHANGES THAT WE MADE.
THEY WERE POSITIVE AND I BELIEVE THEY WERE.
BUT AS FAR AS WHAT THE MATERIAL WAS DOING AND WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO ACCOMPLISH, I THINK IT'S DOING THAT. BUT I THINK THERE ARE CERTAIN REPAIRS THAT SHOULD BE MADE NOT PLEASING.
I PROBABLY WOULDN'T DO IT WHEN IT'S 96 DEGREES.
I PROBABLY WOULD WAIT. BUT OUR YOU KNOW, OUR GUARANTEE IS GOOD UNTIL THE PROJECT IS DONE.
AND WE'RE DOING A LOT OF THE WORK FOR YOU GUYS IN THE TOWN WITH THE FOLD UP RECLAMATION AND WHATNOT. SO WE'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE.
AND THE ONE THING THAT WE'RE PROUD OF WITH OUR COMPANY AND WHY WE LIKE WORKING HERE SO MUCH. I'VE KNOWN THE OWNER FOR 53 YEARS.
HE HAS NEVER AND WILL NEVER BACK AWAY FROM A PROBLEM.
AND THAT'S REALLY HOW YOU DEFINE YOURSELF IN THIS BUSINESS, IS HOW DO YOU HANDLE PROBLEMS? YOU PACK UP AND RUN AND LEAVE YOU GUYS WITH IT.
WHAT DO YOU TAKE CARE OF IT? AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO.
I APPRECIATE THAT I COULD HAVE IF COULD HAVE ASKED MY QUESTION A LITTLE MORE SIMPLY, IT MIGHT GOT TO THE POINT, AS I WAS OR CONCERNED WITH, IF I'M GOING DOWN THAT ROADWAY, CAN I FEEL THAT DIVOT? YOU MOST OF THEM YOU WON'T.
THERE ARE A COUPLE THAT ARE DEEP.
SOME OF THESE ARE DEEP OR PEOPLE ARE JUST COMING OUT.
YOU KNOW, I THINK FRANK PUT IT VERY WELL.
A LOT OF THIS IS SOME OF THESE BIGGER TRUCKS WITH THE BIG TIRES THAT ARE PULLING OUT AND JUST GRINDING YOUR WHEELS.
IF YOU PUT A LOADER OR ONE OF THESE FORKLIFTS ON THERE DELIVERING LUMBER RIGHT AFTER IT'S PUT DOWN. I DID SEE A ROAD THAT HAD THAT YOU ARE GOING TO MARKET UNTIL THIS MATERIAL DOES SET UP IN CURE. BUT THESE MARKS GENERALLY GO AWAY.
THE ONES WHO DON'T WE WANT TO TAKE CARE OF AND MAKE SURE THE RIGHT FOR YOU GUYS.
BUT NO, IT'S NOT LIKE GOING DOWN AND YOU'RE GOING TO FEEL A RUT.
IF THAT MATERIAL'S PUSHING TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S RUNNING, THEN YOU'VE GOT OTHER YOU'VE GOT OTHER ISSUES THERE. BUT THOSE POWER STEERING MARKS YOU SHOULD NOT FEEL.
AND WE'RE AND WE ARE GOING TO COME BACK AND FIX SOME OF THOSE AREAS IN FRONT OF THOSE DRIVEWAYS. I WOULD RECOMMEND DOING IT WHEN IT'S A LITTLE BIT COOLER.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL DO IT AT YOUR DIRECTION.
OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE WORKING FOR YOU GUYS.
THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS THAT I CAN ANSWER FOR YOU GUYS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.
APPRECIATE IT. AND A QUESTION WHEN YOU WERE TALKING TO THE OTHER CITIES, I KNOW WEST MELBOURNE USES THIS A LOT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY USE APPS, BUT IF THEY HAD THIS ISSUE, COULD THEY HAVE A LOT MORE RESIDENTIAL, YOU KNOW? YEAH, I ACTUALLY TALK TO NATE SILVER'S MELBOURNE, AND HE PRETTY MUCH HIGHLIGHTED THE SAME ISSUES THAT WAS PRESENTED WHERE HE SAID THAT THEY'VE HAD THE SAME PROBLEMS, NOT AS BAD.
HE SAYS, I TOLD THEM HE HAD HE SAID NOT AS MANY, BUT THEY'VE HAD HIM.
HE SAYS HE HE HE DID, SAID FRANK.
IT'S NOT ME MUCH. I DO IN THE GOOD TIMES.
AND ONCE THEY DID THAT, THEY SAID THEY'VE HAD A HUGE TURNOVER IN TERMS OF NOT HAVING AS MANY DIVISIONS BECAUSE THEY NORMALLY PUT IT DOWN, I THINK IN THE SPRING THEY DO DO A LOT OF SERVICE.
YEAH. AND SO HE AND HE HE STILL SUPPORTS IT FOR THE COST YOU PAY.
HE SAID YOU CAN'T BEAT US, SO THEY STILL DO IT.
AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AS OUR GUY FROM THE OTHER AGENCY THAT THEY'RE USING IT.
LIKE I SAY, IT'S NOT A IT'S NOT A STRUCTURAL ASPHALT OVERLAY.
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IT'S A SLURRY TO PRESERVE THAT ROADWAY, LIKE YOU SAY, OR THE COST FOR THE BOOK.ON THE ROAD, WE DO PROTECT IT WHEN YOU DO PUT IT DOWN ON A RESIDENTIAL STREET.
HOW DOES THAT IMPACT THE RESIDENTS? ACCESS IS A SHORT TIME FRAME.
AFTER IT WAS MAYBE AN HOUR, WAS IT? WE WERE CLOSED FOR JUST AN HOUR.
WE TRY TO DO IS WE DO ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD AND WE LOOK AT IT.
WE ALWAYS LET THE RESIDENTS KNOW WE PUT DOOR HANGERS AND I HAVE TO, UH, AND THEN THESE PEOPLE, BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY PUT OUT THEIR OWN WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY PUTTING OUT THEIR OWN NOTICE OR BOTH THEIR OTHER OPERATIONS.
I WAS I WAS SURPRISED THAT THEY WERE DOING THAT.
THEY PUT OUT THEIR OWN NOTICE, ISN'T THERE? I WAS VERY IMPRESSED AT THEIR CONCERN ABOUT THE RESIDENTS AND MAKING SURE THAT SOME PEOPLE HAVE TO GET OUT WHEN YOU HAVE TO GET OUT.
SO YOU HAVE A PAVING OPERATION, A SLURRY OPERATION OR MICROSURGICAL OPERATION.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SHUT THAT LANE DOWN FOR AT LEAST AN HOUR.
AND THAT'S A HUGE INCONVENIENCE IF SOMEONE HAS A DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT.
SO IF YOU LET THEM KNOW EARLY ON, IF YOU ARE A BLOCK AROUND, IF YOU KNOW TO GET OUT OR SCHEDULE YOUR TIME A LITTLE BETTER, THAT'S ALL IT IS.
BETTER COMMUNICATION. AND THEY WERE DOING THAT.
BUT THE ANSWER IS ABOUT AN HOUR.
WE HAVE TO KEEP IT TOTALLY CLOSED OFF BEFORE WE LET THE TRAFFIC GO ON TO IT.
AND WHAT WE DO THEN WE DO THE OPPOSITE SIDE.
WE GIVE OURSELVES TWENTY FOUR HOURS, BUT FIRST THERE CURE IT CAME BACK AND WE APPLY THE SECOND WAY DURING THE DAY, DURING THE DAYTIME, AND THEN SOON AFTER THE IT GETS TO THE POINT WHERE YOU COULD PUT A ROLLER ON TOP, ON A ROLLER, ON ROLLERS ON IT OPEN BACK UP.
AN HOUR IS ABOUT THE WORST I THINK WE HAD IN TERMS OF SHUTDOWN OF.
OR ANY ADVANTAGE OF MAYBE GOING IN AT NIGHT OR IS IT DISRUPTIVE? AGAIN, THE WE WE'RE GOING BACK TO COGGIN AND KOGURE WAS THE REASON WHY WE DID COGAT, AND THAT WAS BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC.
I'M JUST THINKING IT'S COOLER AT NIGHT ABOUT A LITTLE LESS.
AND THAT MAY BE SOMETHING WE MAY WANT TO THINK ABOUT, TOO.
BUT AGAIN, WE DID COGGIN BECAUSE OF THE HIGH TRAFFIC STREET LIKE WE DO SANFILIPPO INTO THE HIGH I AVINOAM STREETS, PURE SAFETY WISE, IS TO DO AT NIGHT IS A PUBLIC SAFETY CONTRACT SAFETY, EVERYBODY'S SAFETY JUST, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE A TENDENCY TO DO CRAZY THINGS. SO WE TRY TO DO IT WHEN THERE'S LESS TRAFFIC.
AND KOG AND WE DID IT AT NIGHT.
WE DID ACTUALLY OH I THINK ONE NIGHT AND IT JUST CAME UP BACK WHAT WE THOUGHT WOULD COME OUT TO BE A NICE, UH, TO THE POINT WHERE, I MEAN, WHEN I WHEN I THINK THE VERY NEXT DAY OR TWO DAYS LATER I WAS PAID BECAUSE IT WAS SO, SO DARK AND RICH.
I THOUGHT IT WAS A PAVED ROAD, YOU KNOW, UNTIL YOU WENT DOWN TO START LOOKING AT.
AND I SIKKEMA. AND THEN AND THEN WE'RE HAVING THIS SITUATION WHERE HE'S RIGHT, WE HAVE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT SITUATION WHERE WE DON'T HAVE THE HEAVY TRAFFIC ROLLING IT.
COCAINE HAS OVER TEN THOUSAND CUPS A DAY.
WE HAVE THESE STREETS, THESE STREETS IN UNIT 17, LIKE HESTER THAT HAS MAYBE 50, YOU KNOW, A DAY, YOU KNOW, AND ROADS NEED TRAFFIC.
AND HE'S CORRECT. SOME OF THOSE.
LIKE I SAID, I'VE SEEN IT WHERE THEY HAVE YOU KNOW, IT'S SAY NO, YOU KNOW, EQUIPMENT SITTING ON IT. YOU KNOW, THEY HAD THEIR TRAILER.
THEY DROPPED THE TRAILERS WITH THEIR YOU KNOW, WITH THEIR YOU KNOW, WITH THEIR RAMPS.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? THEY DUG RIGHT INTO THE INTO THE MARKET.
AND THEN IT COMES OFF A LITTLE TRACK, YOU KNOW, SKITS WITH TRACKS ON IT THAT MAKES IT.
AND I'VE SEEN THEM OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, COME ON, YOU KNOW, WE JUST PAID THIS AND WE JUST LIKE THE CIRCUMSTANCES AROUND, YOU KNOW, PERSON SHE'S.
IT WAS ALL DONE IN THE DAY, COULD IT BE DONE IN THE NIGHT? THAT'S AN OPTION WE COULD THINK ABOUT BECAUSE IT IS COOLER.
SO IT IS AN OPTION TO START THINKING ABOUT AS THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
THANK YOU. IS IT IS ENOUGH BECAUSE EVERYBODY KEEPS SAYING DO IT AT A COOLER TIME.
I'M. I THINK WE'RE CORRECT, I THINK WE'RE NOW PAST THAT POINT, WE'RE INTO THE JUNE HURRICANE SEASON, SO I THINK WE'RE IN THE COMMUNITY NOW.
SO WE'VE GOT TO LOOK MORE TOWARDS AND THAT'S WHAT WE ACTUALLY HAD A BIT THERE WAS ACTUALLY FOR ADVERTISEMENT.
AND WE KIND OF HELD BACK ON IT BECAUSE WE WANT TO FIND OUT WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THIS IS ONE STEP RIGHT NOW IS TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC, TO LET THEM KNOW THAT, HEY, WE'RE TRYING TO FIND A SOLUTION. AND THERE'S A LOT OF RESIDENTS OUT THERE HAVE BEEN OUT THERE AND THERE'S A LOT OF UNHAPPY. I DON'T BLAME THEM BECAUSE WHAT THEY SEE THEY DON'T LIKE.
BUT WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO GET OVER THIS.
SO THAT WAY OR YOU HAVE TO GET.
MICHAEL. YOUR PERCEPTION STANDPOINT OUT OF BUSINESS, AND I'M HAPPY.
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ALL OF THE POINTS YOU JUST MADE BASED ON THE RECENT.IT IS THE DAY I GET WITH YOU AND YOU STILL HAD SOME PEOPLE TO CALL THE GREAT.
WOULD YOU DO UNLESS SOMETHING IS DONE IN THE NIGHT? UHLER, THE OH, THAT.
WORK AND IF AND THAT'S ONE AND ALL YOU ARE SAYING THAT ALL THE TIME, OR WOULD IT AFFECT YOUR PROGRAM IF YOU WERE TO ASK THE MICROSITE? SO ON NOVEMBER OR DECEMBER, OR WILL IT AFFECT WHAT YOU'RE WHAT THE CURRENT PROBLEM I HAVE IS WE HAVE A CURRENT CONTRACT.
THIS IS ALL BUT THESE TWO UNITS RIGHT NOW, UNIT 17 IS ONE CONTRACT UNIT OR ANOTHER CONTRACT. AND SO THEY HAVE A TIME PERIOD AND A COMPLETION PERIOD.
SO WE HAVE TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE TO MAKE IT FAIR FOR EVERYBODY, FOR THEM AS WELL. SO THE ANSWER IS MAYBE WE DO SOME TESTS BECAUSE WE HAVE A PUNCH LIST.
NOW, WE HAVE A WHOLE LIST OF RULES GOING OUT THERE AND MARKED UP.
AND I AGREE WITH MAJORITY OF THEM THAT WE NEED TO GO BACK OUT THERE BECAUSE I DON'T THINK ROLAND'S GOING TO DO IT. I THINK WE NEED TO DO SOME REPAIR WORK ON SOME OF THESE STREETS.
MAYBE WE DO THOSE AT NIGHT, BECAUSE I YOU IMAGINE RIGHT NOW DAYTIME TEMPERATURES UP THERE, MAYBE THE NIGHTTIME WILL BE OK JUST FOR THESE REPAIRS.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE THANK YOU VERY MUCH AS ANOTHER OPTION.
MY ISSUE IS GOING TO BE MORE TOWARDS A LONG TERM.
WOULD WE GO WITH THE FUTURE PROJECTS? MAYBE THEY HAVE TO BE LOOKED AT.
WHAT A TIME. I'M STILL TRYING TO GET AS MUCH INFORMATION FROM OTHER AGENCIES, TRY HOPEFULLY MAYBE COME UP SOLUTION OR PREVENT US TO AVOID TUITION AND.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE AWARE THAT WE'RE DOING WHAT WE CAN.
WE HAVE OUR CONTRACTOR TRYING TO HELP US OUT.
ED. AND YOU DON'T REALLY FEEL IT, I'VE DRIVEN THE ROADS YET.
I DON'T FEEL IT JUST JUST DOESN'T LOOK I.
AND OVERLAY. LAST TWICE AS LONG.
WOULDN'T IT BE MORE? GO WITH THE THEN OVERLAY THE LAST.
I HAVE AN OPTION, WE'RE TO KNOW THAT THAT WORKS.
WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
DO YOU THINK LONG TERM IT'S A TOOL THAT A LOT OF AGENCIES I SAY DUTY DOESN'T USE IT.
I THINK IT WAS TWO IDIOTS WHO DON'T PUT ON THE MAJOR FREEWAYS AND PUT THEM ON THE MOVE LIKE STATE ROAD COUNTY ROADS.
I WANT TO FIND OUT WHAT THOSE IS ON BOURNEVILLE COUNTY ROAD OUT OF THE.
AS AWFUL AS I WAS FIVE YEARS OLD, I THINK I KNOW IT AND APOLOGIZED.
BUT AFTER TALKING WITH THE COMPANY, AS WELL AS SOME OF THESE CITIES, THEY ARE SAYING NOW THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET MAYBE SEVEN TO 10 YEARS, ESPECIALLY THE DOUBLE APPLICATION.
NOW THEY'RE SAYING YOU CAN GET MAYBE, BUT IT'S LIKE EVERY ONE OF THESE, YOU KNOW, THEY KEEP PUSHING THAT LIMIT. I'M SAYING THEY KEEP SAYING YOU GET A LITTLE BIT MORE, YOU GET MORE. MAYBE YOU CAN. BUT, YOU KNOW, UNTIL WE GET TO THAT POINT, I'M THINKING OF, YOU KNOW, 10 YEARS FROM NOW, SAY, HEY, WE STILL HAVE MICROSURGEONS IN GREAT SHAPE, YOU KNOW, BUT MY ONLY ENCOURAGEMENT TO SAY GO PROBABLY MORE THAN FIVE YEARS IS THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE US THREE YEAR WARRANTY.
THAT LOAN TELLS ME YOU'RE GOING TO GO PAST THREE OR FOUR ON THE WARRANTY.
AGAIN, INDUSTRY STANDARDS CHANGING THE SYSTEM CINCHONA.
GO AHEAD, PLEASE. HOW ARE YOU? MY NAME IS KRISHAN. I'M THE MARKETING AND TECHNICAL MANAGER FOR ASSAULT WEAPONS SYSTEMS, AN IDEAL DIRECTLY WITH WEST MELBOURNE AS WELL.
BUT MOST OF OUR ONE OF OUR OLDEST CUSTOMERS IS CITY OF LAKELAND.
THEY'VE BEEN DOING MICRO SERVICING SINCE 1991 AND THEY'RE AVERAGING 10 YEARS OF LIFE OUT OF A DOUBLE. OK, SO I MEAN, FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS, IT REALLY ALL DEPENDS ON TRAFFIC.
SO, COGGIN, YOU MIGHT ONLY GET SEVEN BECAUSE IT RECEIVED SO MUCH MORE TRAFFIC.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THE CAR, THE ROADS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT ONLY GET 50 CARS A DAY.
YOU KNOW, THEY SHOULD HAVE NO TROUBLE GETTING 10 YEARS OUT OF A DOUBLE BACK WHEN THEY WERE DOING SINGLE APPLICATIONS, JUST ONE LIFT ALL AT ONCE.
YOU WERE ONLY GETTING, YOU KNOW, MAYBE FOUR TO SIX YEARS OUT OF THAT APPLICATION.
BUT USING THE DOUBLE LIKE WE'RE DOING NOW, DOING IT IN TWO LIFTS WHERE WE'RE SEEING AN AVERAGE OF 10 YEARS OF THE.
YEAH, THAT IS FOUR DOLLARS FOR A DOUBLE, YEAH, AND IT WAS ACTUALLY PROBABLY EVEN, YOU KNOW, IN THE THREES, HIGH THREES, THREE EIGHTY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
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YEAH. WAS WEST MELBOURNE SEEING THESE DVDS LIKE THIS, SO TO YOUR POINT, I MEAN, WE ARE WE'RE DOING IT IN THE WINTER, WE USUALLY DO IT.YEAH, WE'RE USUALLY DOING IT, LIKE BETWEEN THANKSGIVING AND CHRISTMAS.
I THINK THIS YEAR WE DID IT IN JANUARY.
SO IT'S A LOT LESS, YOU KNOW, AND WE HAVE DONE BASICALLY ALL RESIDENTIAL, YOU KNOW, ALL JUST NEIGHBORHOODS, A LOT OF DRIVEWAYS JUST LIKE HERE.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT SEEING NEARLY AS MANY PICK MARKS.
AND THAT'S NOT TO SAY YOU WON'T EVER GET ANY, BUT DEFINITELY NOT AS EXACERBATED AS HERE.
NOW, ARE THERE ROADS UNDERNEATH IN THE SAME CONDITION? I WOULD SAY YOURS ARE ACTUALLY BETTER.
FRANK, FRANK AND HIS TEAM HAVE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB PICKING GOOD CANDIDATES.
YOU GUYS ARE SPOT ON BECAUSE WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING IS, LIKE FRANK SAID, EVERYBODY'S BUDGET CONSCIOUS, SO THEY'RE STRETCHING THE ENVELOPE.
I MEAN, WE'RE PUTTING SOMETIMES WE'RE PUTTING MICRO ON BORDERLINE MILLAND OVERLAY CANDIDATES. SO IT YOU GUYS ARE DOING A GREAT JOB IN THAT RESPECT.
I THINK THAT THAT IS WHY YOU'RE GOING TO GET EVEN LONGER OUT OF IT, BECAUSE THE BETTER ROAD YOU PUT IT ON, THE LONGER THE MICRO SERVICING IS GOING TO LAST.
YEAH, YEAH. WHICH IS A GREAT IDEA.
AND THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING IN OCALA.
THEY'RE TRYING TO PUT IT ON ROADS WHERE THE ASPHALT UNDER 10 YEARS OLD.
SO GETTING ON IT EARLY THAT WAY, THE MICRO LAST A LONG TIME.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GET THE FULL LIFE OUT OF IT.
BUT I THINK DESPITE OF OUR OUR CHALLENGES THIS GO ROUND, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WITHIN SIX MONTHS A YEAR, YOU'RE GOING TO BE VERY HAPPY WITH HOW THEY LOOK, BECAUSE THE THE PICK MARKS, WE CALL THEM PICK MARKS, BUT THEY THEY DO START TO BLEND IN AND GO AWAY.
BUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE DEEPER ONES WE WILL HAVE TO REPAIR.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, REPOLL THE FULL LANE AND, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT MAKE A NEW PASS ON THAT TO RESURFACE.
IF WE SEE ANY OF THESE CHALLENGES IN ASPHALT OVERLAY LIKE THE DIVOTS OR THE LIKE, IF IF THAT'S THEM AS AS THEY MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A THREE EIGHT THREE EIGHT INCH OF A SLURRY SEAL COMPARED TO AN ENTIRE ENGINE. SO THERE'S THERE'S A STRUCTURAL.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T THEY MENTIONED THAT I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY.
IT IS I'VE SEEN THOSE SCRATCHES AND ISSUES WHERE MAYBE I CHUCK IT ALL, BUT I DON'T SEE AS. MANY ON A BRAND NEW PAVED ROADWAY WITH ASPHALT, I MEAN, YOU HAVE A TENDENCY TO HAVE ONE OR TWO, BUT YOU DON'T SEE AS MANY AS.
AND I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING TO IT'S MORE ISOLATED ON ASPHALT, YOU CAN STILL GET THEM. LIKE IF YOU GOT A REALLY HEAVY TRUCK OR TRAILER, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WITH A CAR NECESSARILY. BUT, YOU KNOW, THE HEAVIER TRAFFIC YOU CAN SEE.
WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE ASPHALT IS REALLY WHERE YOU HAD THE COJONES.
WE HAD TO STOP WHEN WE STARTED IN THAT WE HAVE A LONG ROAD.
GOOD EXAMPLE OF. AT A BREAK IT IS.
RIGHT, AND THEN TYPICAL, WHAT WE DO IS WE WENT LIKE ROLLING STRAIGHT TO MAKE SURE IT'S REALLY SMOOTH, WE HAD A STANDARD AND THERE IS SO MUCH THAT MOVED WITH ROLLING ROADWAY.
YOU CAN'T DO THAT WITH SLURRY BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY SMOOTH, AS I DO ON A LIQUID BASIS.
SO FINE A CURE, YOU GET THE CARS OR IF IT'S ON IT RIGHT NOW.
AND TO THAT POINT, I MEAN, THE MICRO SERVICING REALLY JUST FOLLOWS WHAT'S OVER THERE.
SO SINCE YOU'RE PUTTING IT ON A GOOD ROAD THAT ALREADY HAS GOOD, YOU KNOW, GREAT AND CROSS SLOPE AND IT'S A GOOD TEMPLATE, THEN IT'S GOING TO FOLLOW WHAT'S OUT THERE AND RIDE SMOOTH. WHEREAS IF YOU PUT IT ON A ROAD THAT NEEDED MODERN OVERLAYED, YOU WOULD YOU WOULD FEEL YOU IN TIME IS.
I MEAN, IN THIS HOT TEMPERATURE, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT TAKE UP TO A WEEK OR TWO, YOU KNOW, BEFORE IT'S FULLY CLEARED BEFORE, BUT I WOULD SAY NOW HOPEFULLY WE'RE NOT SEEING ANY NEW PICK MARKS. YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY THE ONES THAT ARE THERE OCCURRED, YOU KNOW, A WEEK AFTER IT HAPPENED OR A DAY AFTER IT HAPPENED.
SO HOPEFULLY WHEN YOU GOT THERE NOW, I THINK KENNY WENT OUT THERE EARLIER, YOU KNOW, AND TWISTED HIS WHEELS AND DIDN'T MAKE A MARK.
SO I THINK IT JUST KIND OF DEPENDS ON HOW EARLY THEY'RE GETTING ON IT.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE STEPS WE'RE GOING THROUGH, WHERE WE'RE DUSTING IT WITH THE BLACK BEAUTY, THE IT'S LIKE A BLACK AGGREGATE THAT BLENDS IN WITH THE ROAD AND IT HELPS, YOU KNOW, THE CARS JUST KIND OF SKID ON IT AND NOT REALLY TEAR INTO THE MICRO.
APPLICATION PROCESS IS FASTER, IS WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE TO YOU SAID, IF YOU'RE DOING A NOT NOT REALLY NOW, BECAUSE NOW THAT WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE SECOND APPLICATION, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD PAVE A ROAD IN A QUICK AMOUNT OF TIME BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIT TO CURE IT. YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO PAY IT ONCE YOU GOT THE STEAMROLLER ON IT.
AND ONCE YOU GET THROUGH IT AND YOU GET THE ROBOTIC ROBOTIC, YOU COULD PUT TRAFFIC THROUGH IT. OR IF I MISS YOU, COULD I DRIVE AROUND THAT ROAD? IT'S NOT HOT ENOUGH. IT'S WARM.
BUT IF THAT REPTILE REALLY GETS OFF OF IT, HE SAID HE STANDS IT DOWN.
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YOU CAN PUT TRAFFIC ON IT. YEAH, I WOULD SAY FROM START TO FINISH, IF YOU MILLED AND OVERLAY THE ROAD, IT'D BE THE SAME, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE MILLING AND THEREFORE DISRUPTION AND IT'D PROBABLY BE THE SAME.BUT YOU CAN DEFINITELY PUT TREWEEK FOR IT TO CURE.
YEAH. WELL, I MEAN, ASPHALT, IT'S GOING TO CARRY A LOT FASTER THAN IN THE MICRO BECAUSE OF THE ASPHALT CONTENT.
OUT OF WORK. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, WHAT'S THE BEST SOLUTION AND DIRECTION FOR US, I SAY BECAUSE IT JUST WE'RE PUTTING A LOT OF EFFORT.
I PUT A LOT OF EFFORT JUST NOW, LEARNING A LOT.
BUT I DIDN'T EXPECT TO HAVE THE SITUATION WITH THE MAKKAWI.
BECAUSE OF KOGAN AND I THOUGHT THAT PROJECT.
IT WAS SIMPLE AND EASY, THEY CAME OUT SO WELL THAT WE'LL HAVE THE SAME SITUATION AND NOW AFTER. AND NOW AND THEN TALKING TO OTHER CITIES, AND THEY HAVE AS MANY AS OURS, BUT IT IS A PATTERN. A LOT OF CITIES THAT HAVE IT, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING TO RESOLVE IT. THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT SOME OF THE LARGER I THOUGHT TO NATIVE WEST AND THE OTHER IS TRYING TO GET AS MUCH INFORMATION AS CITIES.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE MAYBE THE OVERLAYS LIKE A TRIED AND TRUE METHOD.
NOW IT WORKS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ON MAYBE IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPENSIVE UP FRONT, BUT IF IT LASTS TWICE AS LONG, HERE'S MY I MEAN, MY ACTUAL A2A WHERE I LIVE DOWN BELOW, WE MICROCIRCUITS OUR ROAD BEING.
WHY? BECAUSE THE COST IS LIKE, OH, THEY WANTED TO ABLAZING AWAY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT COST YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, ARE YOU KIDDING? WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INARI TO, YOU KNOW, TO PAY FOR THAT, YOU KNOW, TO PAY FOR OUR ROOF.
SO I SAID, YOU KNOW, A CHEAPER IT WOULD BE MICROSPHERES.
THAT'S WAY TO GOOD IT KNOWS IT WAS A COST EFFICIENT WAY BECAUSE WITH SO MANY HOMES, A HOUSE THEY CAN HAVE. IT'S NOT ASPHALT AND STRUCTURAL, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, OUR ROADWAY DIDN'T NEED THAT. A PROTECTION OVER ON TOP OF THE EXISTING ROADWAY WAS STILL IN GREAT SHAPE, AUBERVILLIERS, SOMEONE TO CRACK THE LONGITUDINAL CRACK YOU COULD TAKE CARE OF, BUT THERE WAS NO MAJOR BASE ANYWAY.
SO I SAID, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO STAY IN GOOD SHAPE, EVEN THOUGH IT IS 10 YEARS OLD, IS IN GOOD SHAPE TO PUT NEW ASPHALT ON TOP OF IT.
IT'S KIND OF A WASTE. I SEE, BECAUSE I WOULD HAVE GIVEN THAT ROAD A PCI INDEX UP IN THE 70S. WHEN WE'RE PICKING WE'RE MAKING STREETS.
YEAH. YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I CAN'T I CAN'T PUT REJUVENATION ON IT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO SIT THERE WITHOUT SOME SORT OF PROTECTION ON IT BECAUSE IT DOES ADD TO THE ROADWAY THAT IT GIVES IT A BIT MORE.
HOW MUCH TIME AND EFFORT ARE YOU NOW SPENDING IF YOU WANT TO JUST OVERLAYED IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
I THINK, THOUGH, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE THE CASE NOW BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE ROAD BOND MONEY. BUT WHEN YOU'VE RUN OUT OF THE ROAD BOND MONEY AND YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO YOUR REGULAR RESURFACING BUDGET, MICROSOFT IS GOING TO MAKE A LOT OF SENSE THAT WAY.
YOU'RE NOT BACK INTO THE SAME SITUATION YOU'RE IN NOW, BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO BE BACK RECLAIMING THEM AGAIN, LIKE FDR.
SO, I MEAN, EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, MICRO SERVICING MIGHT NOT BE AS GOOD AS AN ASPHALT OVERLAY AND YOU MIGHT HAVE MORE CHALLENGES, I THINK WITHOUT IT, I DON'T THINK YOU COULD HAVE A SECOND. NOTHING. YEAH, I DON'T THINK YOU COULD HAVE A SUCCESSFUL RESURFACING PROGRAM. IS THERE A POSSIBILITY OF OF OATH OR THE FACT THAT SINCE WE'RE STILL TESTING WITH THIS MARICO SURFACING, IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MOVING FORWARD ON OTHER PROJECTS DOING OVERLAYED, WHICH IS PINPOINTING SOME AREAS THAT WE COULD DO THIS MICRO SERVICING AT NIGHT, AND I LIKE TEST AND SEE BECAUSE IT'S IT HAS A POSSIBILITY.
BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT FEELS LIKE A GUARANTEE VERSUS THE POSSIBILITY I'VE HEARD JUST NOW FROM TWO DIFFERENT BOARD MEMBERS.
SO IT'S SOMETHING WE'LL LOOK INTO AS A ANOTHER TEST CASE, BECAUSE I CAN'T BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING INTO NOW THE SUMMER MONTHS.
SO MAYBE TO TAKE CARE OF SOME OF THESE LOCATIONS, WE HAD TO RUN ON IT.
MAYBE WE DO AT NIGHT. SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
KNOW IT SEEMS TO BE A GOOD THING.
BUT I KNOW YOU GUYS GAVE THE CITY A THREE YEAR WARRANTY, BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO KEEP COMING BACK HERE FOR THREE YEARS TO FIX PEOPLE'S ROADS LIKE.
YEAH. AND I MEAN, I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY'VE HAPPENED INITIALLY, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO KEEP HAPPENING.
AND I THINK NOW THAT WE'VE GOT THE MIX KIND OF FIGURED OUT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF DISRUPTION TO THE RESIDENTS LIVE ON THE ROAD A LOT OF TIME OR WHEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER METHOD THAT. OUTWORKS.
I DON'T KNOW, LIKE I SAID, IT'S A LITTLE MORE EXPENSIVE UP FRONT, BUT.
LASTING LONGER. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO YOUR RESURFACING PROGRAM IF YOU WAITED UNTIL THE WINTER MONTHS.
WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO WAIT THAT LONG, THOUGH, THIS WINTER ON THE CURRENT ONES THAT WE HAD, THAT WE MIGHT NOW PULL BACK? WE COULD WE COULD WAIT TO THE WINTER MONTHS.
WE'RE SHIFTING UNITS AROUND RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY DIFFERENT PROJECTS NOW.
WE HAVE SO MANY DIFFERENT TYPES GOING ON.
SO WE HAVE DIFFERENT TYPES WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE SAME TIME, I DON'T WANT TO WAIT,
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ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S AMAZING HOW WELL, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS YEAR, ONE FORTY TWO, WE WENT OUT THERE AND ACTUALLY WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS IT WAS SO WE DID IT IN THE 80S, YOU KNOW, AND THEN BY THE TIME WE GOT OUT THERE TO PAY IT, IT WAS LIKE, OH, THIS IS GOING TO BE FDR BECAUSE IT'S GOT TO PUT ONE OF THOSE BASE VOTERS PHASING.HOW? BECAUSE OF THE HEAVY RAINS AND A FEW MILES YOU HAVE YOU DON'T CATCH JUST RIGHT NOW.
IT'S ALSO DETERIORATING RAPID.
WE'RE YOU KNOW, BY YOUR STANDPOINT, WE FIGHT IT.
IT OUT OF THE AIR, IT WHAT WE WANTED.
IT GOT. I SEE THAT I MEAN, MOST OF OUR LOCAL STREETS WERE NOT BECAUSE IT'S MAINLY BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC. BUT HERE IS A MAP AS WELL, COLLECTORS, YOU KNOW WHAT I HEARD FROM THE CITIES I'VE TALKED TO A MAJORITY, A GOOD ONE WAS IN ST.
LUCIE COUNTY. DID IT OLEANDER.
AND IT LOOKS GREAT, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S GOT A TON OF TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD.
OH, THERE'S LOTS IT'S A COMMERCIAL.
THERE'S DRIVEWAYS BECAUSE BACKING OUT.
AND MICHAEL, I MEAN, IT SOUNDS KIND OF LIKE A SALES PITCH, BUT MICRO SERVICING IS KIND OF SELF HEALING. SO TRAFFIC DOES HELP IT KIND OF NEED AND BECAUSE IT STAYS SOFT AND PLIABLE.
SO I THINK WITH THE ABSENCE OF TRAFFIC, WE'RE KIND OF YOU KNOW, IT'S TAKING LONGER FOR THE PICK MARKETS TO KIND OF BLEND IN AND DISAPPEAR AND AND TO I MEAN, LIKE IN WEST MELBOURNE, WE'RE ONLY DOING THEY ONLY HAVE THEY HAVE A SMALL BUDGET.
SO 300 GRAND, YOU KNOW, VERSUS YOU GUYS ARE DOING 16 MILES AT ONCE.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE AFFECTING SO MANY RESIDENTS.
YOU GUYS ARE PROBABLY GETTING PEPPERED WITH COMPLAINTS, WHEREAS, YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT ONLY RECEIVE, YOU KNOW, 10, YOU KNOW.
I LOST ANOTHER ONE, SO I WAS DECIDED TO BASH YEAH, AT ONE THEY ONLY DID LIKE A FEW MILES IN. YEAH, YEAH. I MEAN I THINK SEBASTIAN.
YEAH. SEBASTIAN SPENT 500 GRAND ON MICRO IN CAPES.
I JUST THINK TO YOU YOU'RE TRYING TO DO A LOT OF STRENGTH IN FIVE YEARS TIME.
AND IF YOU'RE KEEP HAVING TO GO BACK TO THESE INFIXES AND HE'S SAYING THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REDO THE WHOLE LANE, LIKE THAT'S JUST SETTING YOU BACK AND GETTING THE REST OF THESE TWO UNITS, YOU KNOW, ONE WITH SEVEN, ALMOST 40.
SO THAT'S THAT'S A LOT OF MILES.
YEAH. I HAVE TO GO BACK AND REDO.
WELL, WE'RE NOT I MEAN, WE'RE REDOING FULL LANE WIDTH, SO IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A PATCH.
WE'RE NOT JUST GOING TO COME IN AND REDO THE PICK MARKS, YOU KNOW, LIKE, YOU KNOW, AS FOUR BY FOUR SQUARE, WE'RE GOING TO REDO THE WHOLE TEN FOOT LANE OVER FATHER COMING BACK OUT AND DEMOBILIZING AND LIKE.
YEAH, IN RE INCONVENIENCING EVERYBODY.
AND THIS ASSET, LIKE WHAT IS THAT DOING TO THE TIMEFRAME OF COMPLETION, OR DO WE TALK ABOUT THAT? LIKE, AS FAR AS WHAT I COULD HAVE SAID, IS THAT GOING TO TAKE US OFF TRACK? IT WILL, BECAUSE WE'RE PUSHING CLOSE TOYS R US.
THEY CALL IT A SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION DEADLINE.
BUT I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT.
BUT I'M GOING TO BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD AGAIN BECAUSE I GOT SOME GOOD IDEAS I HAVE FOR US TO MAYBE THINK ABOUT WITH THE CONTRACTOR.
WHAT WE HAVE, BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING I DON'T MIND BRING THIS BACK TO THE BOARD THAT I THINK YOU SAID SOMETHING INTERESTING.
SO IT'S ALL ABOUT THE CONDITION OF THE ROAD.
AND WHAT YOU WERE SAYING IS SHE DIDN'T WANT TO WAIT.
AND SO IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT FOR THE ROADS THAT WE NEED TO DO THIS MORE IMMEDIATELY? WE LOOK AT THAT IN.
ONE INCH ASPHALT, BUT LIKE FOR THE ROADS THAT WE FEEL LIKE OUR.
LIKE, HEY, IT'S NOT THAT PREVALENT TO DO IT IMMEDIATELY, THAT'S WHEN WE CAN DO THESE TESTS AS FAR AS MICRO SURFACING AT NIGHT ON THE STREETS.
WE TALK ABOUT WE ONLY TALK ABOUT 1746 BECAUSE THOSE ARE THOSE WE HAVE ACTIVE THERE, DONE SO WHAT THEY CALL A PUNCH LIST AND FINISH A PROJECT.
ALL THOSE ROADS, I MEAN, ALL THEM THAT WE MARKOVA AND.
THEY'RE IN GOOD SHAPE, THOUGH, THERE WERE SITUATIONS WHERE, LIKE YOU MENTIONED WITH.
WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE SITUATION.
MY ONLY CONCERN ABOUT IT IS ALL OF THIS I FEEL SORRY FOR THE RESIDENTS SEE THIS OUT THERE. I GET A CALL. THIS IS HEY, YOU KNOW, I'M SAYING YOU SEE MY ROADWAY, YOU GO, YES, I HAVE, MA'AM. AND WE'RE TRYING TO WORK ON TRYING TO FIND THE BEST SOLUTION.
AND THEY'RE JUST DISAPPOINTED.
THEY WANTED TO SEE A NICE ROADWAY AND GET.
AND I MEAN, MOST OF THE TIME, BECAUSE WE DO DEAL WITH IT A LOT IN THE SUMMER, I MEAN, AND AND MOST OF THE TIME, YOU KNOW, WITHIN A COUPLE OF MONTHS, LIKE KENNY SAID, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE COMING BACK SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE JUST DID A PRIVATE COMMUNITY IN PASCO COUNTY CLOSE TO OUR OFFICE. AND, YOU KNOW, HE SAID HE WAS AMAZED BECAUSE HE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE JUST TRYING TO SELL HIM ON IT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, HE WAS AMAZED AT HOW IT ALL STARTED TO BLEND IN.
THE MAP BECAME, YOU KNOW, MORE UNIFORM.
SO I THINK EVEN THOUGH PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT, TIME IS REALLY KIND OF OF THE ESSENCE AND, YOU KNOW, JUST LET A KILLER OUT.
AND THEN THE MAP BECOMING MORE UNIFORM IS KIND OF ALSO THE RESIDENTS HERE.
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THEY ESSENTIALLY AGREED TO TAX INCREASES FOR THESE THINGS.SO THEY HAVE A LITTLE MORE INVESTED IN SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES THAT AREN'T REALLY PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT FUNDING THERE.
YEAH, HERE THEY'RE GOING TO CALL AND SAY FOR SURE, VOTED FOR THE ROAD BONDS.
YEAH, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE, I DON'T KNOW, MORE OUT IN FRONT OF THEM.
I'M NOT SAYING IT'S A BAD PRODUCT OR THAT GUYS ARE DOING A BAD JOB, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT. A LOT OF EXTRA EFFORT FOR YOU GUYS.
OUR STAFF. I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING I WANT TO BRING BACK TO THE BOARD AFTER WE TRY TO GET A GO WITH THIS, I FINISHED SOME ADDITIONAL RESEARCH, ESPECIALLY TALKING SOME BECAUSE I'VE TALKED TO A LOT OF. BUT MAYBE BRING YOU BACK MORE INFORMATION, MAYBE IT IS DIRECTION, BUT I HAD SOME GOOD INPUT OR IN MY TIME MAYBE AS I.
LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS, IF REALLY LONG TERM ATIK WAS.
BUT I'D LIKE TO BRING THIS BACK TO THE BOARD.
ONE LAST QUESTION, ASIDE FROM YOUR TIME SPENT WORKING ON THIS ISSUE.
WHAT'S BEEN THE FINANCIAL IMPACT TO THE CITY? THAT'S THAT'S TO MY POINT, IS THAT IT'S UNDER WARRANTY IN YOUR TIME AS IS.
IS WHAT'S BEING EXPENDED HERE.
I'M THE INSPECTOR TIME, YOU KNOW, TO DO THE PUNCHES, BUT LIKE ANY OTHER CONSTRUCTION PROJECT, I MEAN, I DON'T MIND LIKE SAYING BECAUSE I'M LEARNING ABOUT THIS PRODUCT, I'M.
MORE AND MORE ABOUT MICROCYSTIN IMPERATIVE, BECAUSE THE PAST I WASN'T LIKE I'M BACK IN THE OLD DAYS WHEN THEY NOTICED HE CAME OFF, IT WAS IT WASN'T TODAY.
I MEAN, I'M VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE.
ON THAT TRUCK ANALOGY, I'M VERY IMPRESSED THE PRESIDENT CAME DOWN.
YOU KNOW, I COULD SAY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE, HEY, I PAID MY TAXES.
EXACTLY. AND WHAT DO I SEE IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE NOW? BECAUSE A LOT OF THEM SAY MY ROLE LOOK BETTER BEFORE AND AFTER, AND I CAN'T STAY RIGHT HERE, YOU KNOW, SO I NEED TO FIX THAT SOON BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE ISSUES THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M. YOU KNOW.
I DON'T WANT TO UPSET. I SEE, YEAH, NO, STATIC'S ARE A BIG PART OF IT FOR SURE.
AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO WORK TOGETHER AND WE'LL BRING THIS BACK TO.
I. THANK YOU ALL, APPRECIATE IT.
THANK YOU. OK, THAT COMPLETED OUR AGENDA ITEMS, HOWEVER, RIGHT AFTER OUR AGENDA WAS EMAILED OUT TO US THIS WEEK, THE CITY, BUT NOW THE THING THAT THEY'RE DOING, A FOURTH OF
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JULY CELEBRATION, OUR RED POPPY PARK REGIONAL PARK AND LIVING IN THAT AREA AND GOING THROUGH THE CHRISTMAS DAY PARADE OR THE CHRISTMAS PARADE AND THE TRAFFIC ISSUES WE HAD THERE, I JUST WANTED TO ASK IF THERE'S ANY CONSIDERATION BE MADE FOR TRAFFIC CONTROL DURING THE FOURTH OF JULY CELEBRATION.I AM. I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE THE CITY MANAGER, IF I MAY, YOU CAN PUT TO THE CITY MANAGER, FRANK, HOW'S THAT FOR A CHANGE AND A REVERSAL OF ROLES HAVE TO HAVE YOU PAY BETTER ATTENTION AND STAFF MEETINGS.
WE ACTUALLY VERY MUCH AWARE OF THE ISSUES WE HAD DURING THE HOLIDAY PARADE.
SO WE'VE ACTUALLY RECENTLY MADE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD AND WE'RE GOING TO USE THE PARKING LOT AT HERITAGE OR A LOT OF THE PARKING.
SO WE'LL HAVE TWO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, TWO DIFFERENT WAYS TO ROUTE PEOPLE AWAY AND OUT.
SO WE DON'T HAVE THE BACKUP THAT WE HAD ON MALABAR ALL THE WAY DOWN TO MINTERN LIKE WE DID DURING THE HOLIDAYS. SO HOPEFULLY THAT WILL IMPROVE THINGS.
THE TRADITIONAL FOURTH OF JULY EVENT WAS, YOU KNOW, LIKE AN ALL DAY KIND OF GATHERING IN THE EARLY AFTERNOON AND LOTS OF THINGS TO DO.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE LIKE THAT THIS YEAR FOR OBVIOUS REASONS.
WHILE WE'LL HAVE SOME FOOD TRUCKS AND A LITTLE BIT OF, YOU KNOW, THINGS TO DO, WE'RE NOT
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DOING LIKE FULL BLOWN ENTERTAINMENT.YOU KNOW, THE BANDS ON THE STAGE, THINGS LIKE THAT.
IT'S REALLY JUST ABOUT, YOU KNOW, COME A LITTLE BIT EARLY, GET YOUR SPOT ON ONE OF THE TWO LOCATIONS UP TO TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, FLOW WITH THE POLICE OFFICERS AND THEN ENJOY THE FIREWORKS. AND THEN ONE, TWO, THREE, BREAK AND WE'RE OUT, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S THE PLAN.
YEAH, GOOD NEWS TO ASK BECAUSE IT WAS GOING TO BE AN ALL DAY THING, LIKE THE CHRISTMAS THING, AS I SAY. LET PEOPLE GO INTO THE PARK AS THEY'RE HEADED WESTBOUND.
I HEAR YOU AND THEY EXIT, GO OUT THE PARKWAY AND FILTER BACK INTO THE CITY.
YEAH, WE ALSO HAD ISSUES WITH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE TRYING TO GET IN OR OUT OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS DOWN MALABAR WHO GOT STUCK IN TRAFFIC.
SO, YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO IMPROVE ON THAT FROM WHAT THE TIME FRAME FOR THE EVENT THAT I DON'T REMEMBER OFFHAND WHAT TIME WE'RE STARTING.
I REMEMBER IT WAS SIX O'CLOCK.
YEAH, I WAS GOING TO SAY FIVE, BUT I WASN'T TOTALLY SURE.
BUT WE CAN I MEAN, THE INFORMATION IS GOING TO START TO COME OUT.
ACTUALLY, IT MIGHT ALREADY BE OUT ON FACEBOOK, I THINK.
YEAH, WE'VE STARTED TO ROLL OUT THE INFORMATION.
SO IT'S IT'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR YOU.
I WAS JOKING. THE GOOD NEWS IS, IS THAT EVERYBODY WANTED TO COME TO PALM BAY FOR THE CHRISTMAS BADASSES, THAT EVERYBODY CAME TO PALM BAY WITH THE CHRISTMAS RIGHT.
IS A DOUBLE EDGED SWORD, RIGHT? YEAH. WE DON'T HAVE TO GO TOO EARLY.
WELL, EVEN THEN, I WAS LIKE, OH, I REALLY CAUGHT THAT WRONG.
SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE FIREWORKS, TOO.
SO MAYBE WE CAN GO ALONG AS OUR PEOPLE COME.
IT'S OK AT THE RIVER. SO THERE'S NO ANYTHING ELSE.
THING ELSE FROM THE BOARD FOR THIS MEETING.
SEEN DURING THE MEETING, IT WAS SIX P.M..
RIKYU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.