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OR IT IS UPON US, I'LL CALL THE TWENTY TWENTY ONE DASH 06 MEETING OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE
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ADVISORY AND OVERSIGHT BOARD TO ORDER.THAT'S GOT THE ROLL CALL. CHAIRPERSON THOMAS GUMM BY CHAIRPERSON REBECCA TIBERG PRESENT.
PAUL EDWARDS. DAVID JONES, PRESIDENT TERRY MULLER, WE HAVE A QUORUM.
THANK YOU. I THINK WE CAN SKIP THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SINCE WE DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC.
AND MOVE ON TO BUSINESS, NUMBER ONE, AN OVERVIEW OF THE CITY STORMWATER SYSTEM.
OH, EXCUSE ME, I FORGOT THE MINUTES AGAIN, I THINK I DID THAT AT THE LAST MEETING.
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MINUTES ARE IN FRONT OF YOU.I NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OR ANY CHANGES TO IMPROVE THE MINUTE I CAN.
YOU DISCUSSION AND HEARD THE QUESTION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY, AY, AY, ALL THOSE OPPOSED.
ANIMES. OK, NOW ON BUSINESS, NUMBER ONE, OVERVIEW OF THE CITY'S STORM WATER SYSTEM RIGHT
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AHEAD. ALL RIGHT.GOOD EVENING. I'M GOING TO HAVE VINCENT HELP ME OUT WITH THE POWERPOINT.
AND AGAIN, FRANK WATANABE, THE CITY ENGINEER.
AND THIS IS MORE OF AN EDUCATIONAL ITEM REGARDING THE STORM WATER SYSTEM.
I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE BASIC.
THE TERMS AND THE ISSUES OF STORMWATER, I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT A LITTLE ABOUT RUNOFF AND PERVIOUS AND IMPERVIOUS AREAS.
TALK ABOUT THE CITY'S OVERALL PROGRAM, WHICH IS TIED INTO A STATE WHICH WE CALL THE RMS FOR. A STATE PROGRAM WHICH DEALS WITH ILLICIT DISCHARGE, WATER QUALITY TO THESE ALL LOCALLY ARE POSSIBLE, AND IT'S FOR.
WATER, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT, BUT THE REGULATORY AGENCIES, BOTH THE ST.
JOHN'S RIVER WATER DISTRICT, TILMAN, EPPY.
I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT ON THIS STATE FUNERAL FOR A PROGRAM THAT CHANGED RECENTLY, LAST YEAR OR FOR WAS A FEDERAL REQUIREMENT FOR FLORIDA IS ONE OF THREE STATES THAT.
NOW, DEALING WITH THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS, THE STATE REGULATORY TO THE.
OR I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT, BUT AS YOU SEE, IT GOT APPROVED TO DO THAT, A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE OVERALL DRAINAGE, NASA'S HOW WE DO THE ACTUAL STUDY USING WHAT THEY CALL AN INTERCONNECT ON BROWDY.
AND THEN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WATER QUALITY AND GRANTS.
IT'S JUST A GENERAL OVERVIEW OF STORM WATER, JUST TO HIGHLIGHT AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT THE STORM WATER, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY PALM BAY IN A GENERAL SENSE, PALM BAY HAS IS BASICALLY TO STORM WATER, A MASSIVE AS PLANNING SYSTEM, THE ORIGINAL STORM WATER MASSIVE PLAN, A PALM BAY WITH THE ORIGINAL PALM BAY THAT HAS A.
MASTERPLAN WATER ANALYSIS, A PROGRAM THAT WAS BASED ON A BASIS THAT AREA, AND I'LL SHOW YOU A MAP THAT SHOWS THAT ALL AN AREA THAT BACK IN THE 70S AND WHEN GDC DEVELOPED AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE REMAINING PORTION HAS A SEPARATE.
THAT MASSIVE PLAN, PHIL MICKELSON.
YOU HAVE ONE THAT'S KIND OF LIKE THE OLDER VERSION OF THE ONE THAT'S THE NEW VERSION WHICH TIES IT ALL, THE SWAILS GREATEST DISHES, A LOT LIKE ATTENTION ON A TIRED TILLMANN.
AND ALSO, OUR SYSTEM HAS BEEN ARTERY, WHICH.
THOSE ARE THE TWO SYSTEMS THAT WE HAVE, THE CITY AGAIN, THEY USED TILLMANN CANAL SYSTEM AS ED ARTERIES TO REVERSE THE SYSTEM, BUT WE HAVE OUR OWN LOCAL WELLS.
MAYBE BABY, IN AN ODD DEVELOPMENT, WE AIN'T OUR WATER SWELLS.
IT COMPLAINS THAT JUAREZ DITCHES WHAT IS IN OUR WELLS WILL STAY THERE FOR.
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OR WE DON'T HAVE AN ALL.WELL. THAT'S THAT'S THE NUTSHELL AGAIN, YES, SIR.
NOT THE CASE, THOUGH, NECESSARILY DOWN IN THE NORTHEAST, RIGHT? THE NORTHEAST IS, YES, SOME OF US WE DO HAVE AREAS IN THE NORTHEAST.
IT HAS BECAUSE OF THE OLDER PART THAT HAS STORM INLETS, MIAMI CURBS AGAIN TO DIFFERENT AREAS. WE HAD THE NORTHERN PART OF TOWN THAT HAS INLETS, PIPES.
ATTENTION AREAS. THE REST OF THE CITY HAS OPENED.
BUT THEN WE HAVE SOME NEW HEROES THAT DO HAVE THE NEW PARKWAY, OLD PARKWAYS HAVE A.
SO HIGHLIGHT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL HEAR THESE TERMS IMPERVIOUS, IMPERVIOUS, IMPERVIOUS, YOU KNOW, ON THE ROADWAYS LIKE ASPHALT, CONCRETE OR.
DO THE ACTUAL ANALYSIS YOU SEE TERMS LIKE CNN OR NO TYPICALLY GIVE YOU A VALUE LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE? SEE? I. IT ALL RUNS OFF.
WE HAVE PERVIOUS AREAS LIKE GRASS.
THOSE ARE THE TWO KEY AREAS YOU'LL SEE IN ANALYSIS, STORM WATER AND THEN PARACORD NATIONAL, WE HAVE TO HAVE EVERY LOT, EVERY PLIGHTED NOT.
HE DEVELOPMENT TODAY A GOOD JOB CREATING THIS MASTER.
WE HAD THIS MASSIVE SYSTEM THAT EVERY PEIPING IN EVERY.
AFTER ALL THESE PIPES, ALL THESE ARE EVERYWHERE, AND THEN ON THE NORTH SECTION, WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE WE HAVE THE OLDER VERSION AND I'LL SHOW YOU SOME EXAMPLES THAT WE HAVE WITH THE OLD IN ADDITION TO STORMWATER RUN OFF AS STORMWATER.
UH, HITCHEN, WE HAVE WATER QUALITY.
WAS. THAT'S CHARGING THE WATERWAY SYSTEM WATER QUALITY IMPORTANT ST.
JOHN HAS A HUGE ISSUE IN THE WATER QUALITY.
ALSO THEN RUNOFF THOSE COMPONENTS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE ADDRESS IN TERMS OF.
AND THEN THE LAST I SAW AGAIN ON THE WATER RUN ON.
WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T LET.
TWENTY FIVE. ARE YOU JUST GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T CUT? HIGHLY LIKELY BECAUSE THE WAY OUR.
THAT'S BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T SAID, OH, I DIDN'T LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE LEDINGHAM.
HAPPENS, WHAT HAPPENS LIKE? THEY HAVE A STORM COMING IN, SO TILLMANN WILL START DROPPING DOWN.
THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED BECAUSE HE HAD THE CAPACITY.
THAT'S 20 BLOCKS FROM THE HOUSE.
BLOCKED IT, THEN YOU COULD HAVE HIGHER.
SURGE OF WATER, HIGHLY UNLIKELY, YOU'LL SEE RAIN.
OH. WHAT IF I'M SURCHARGED? VEBER. LIGHTBODY.
THAT COULD HAPPEN. THOSE ARE JUST SOME HIGHLIGHTS.
SIR. NEW DEVELOPMENTS, NEW PARTIES AND STUFF, WHAT ARE THEIR STORMWATER REQUIREMENTS, ARE THEY REQUIRED TO RETAIN ALL THEIR STORMWATER FOR LIKE 100 YEAR STORM EVENT OR ARE REQUIRED AND WILL GO INTO THE ST.
JOHN'S PERMIT? THEY ALL GET WHAT THEY CALL A ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCE PERMIT.
YOUR PERMIT THEM TO GET PERMITS TO ST.
CHARLES AT TWENTY FIVE AND YEARS.
IT'S A CONDITION IN ADDITION TO THAT, MAJORITY OF OUR KIDS ARE WITHIN THE HILMAN CANALSIDE. THEY ACTUALLY EVEN HAVE A OR A STRINGENT ARM TO HOLD WATER AND PASS BECAUSE, AGAIN, THEY DON'T WANT TO FLOOD THE CANALS.
THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A LOT MORE.
AND. BUT THOSE TWO AGENCIES WERE PRETTY HAMMERED.
MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE A PERMANENT SYSTEM.
WE STILL LOOK AT OURSELVES OR OUR STAFF, I LOOK AT THESE.
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AND IF YOU TURN THE NEXT SLIDE, THIS IS WHAT WE TALK ABOUT, WE SEE IN EUROPE, WHICH IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCE PERMIT, A PERMIT SEE TYPICALLY A ST GEORGE IS REQUIRED FOR DEVELOPMENT, CONSTRUCTION. FLOODING PROTECT THE WATER QUALITY OF THE LAKES AND STREAMS AND PROTECT WILDLIFE AND OTHER AREAS, SURFACE WATER PERMITS ARE REQUIRED, IS LISTED BELOW ARE THINGS LIKE DREDGING, OBSTRUCTION OR FIGHTING FOR STORMWATER CONTAINMENT AND SITE GRADING AND ROADS, CONTROL BUILDING DAMS, RESERVOIRS AND OTHER BASIC RULES.AND THAT'S PART OF THE. IF THEY DON'T WANT A.
DEALING WITH OTHER AREAS OF OUR STATED.
I'LL TALK ABOUT HOW THE ARMY CORPS HAS A.
THE NEXT SLIDE JUST HIGHLIGHTS A QUICK QUESTION, SO WHEN YOU WERE SAYING EARLIER.
AT. WELLS AND DITCHES, BUT SOME PLACES, I GUESS, USE IT OR LIKE PIPES TO MOVE THROUGH.
IS THAT LIKE JUST A NEWER TECHNOLOGY IN IT? AND IS THAT IF THAT'S THE CASE, WHEN WE HAVE A NEWER DEVELOPMENT THAT'S COMING IN, ARE THEY USING NEWER TECHNOLOGY OR IS KIND OF ALL NEW DEVELOPMENTS NOW BECAUSE THEY WANT TO HAVE KERBEROS? YES, IT IS.
YOU CAN'T HEAR ME. YOU HEAR ME NOW? YEAH, ALL THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS PRETTY MUCH BECAUSE OF THE NECESSITY OF HAVING CURBSIDE WALK. MOST ALL NEW DEVELOPMENTS HAVE BEEN AND HAVE SYSTEM.
THEY STILL DO DISCHARGE INTO THE RIVER, A RETENTION POND, SOME SORT OF LARGE RETENTION FACILITY. EPICA UPON, UH.
THE OLDER PARTS OF TOWN HAVE PIPELINES AND INLETS, MOST OF OUR NEWER ROADWAYS TO ST.
JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAYS, THEY HAVE PIPES AND INLETS.
THEY ALL DISCHARGE INTO LARGE RETENTION PONDS.
AND THE ISSUE WE HAVE IS NO WILL WE HAVE IT SAY WE'LL CALL A SCATTERED LOS ANGELES PLIGHTED, LOSA REPLIED A LONG TIME AGO.
ANOTHER SINGLE, LOTS ARE BEING BUILT ON THOSE.
ARE THEY? THEY'RE ALL PART OF THE. DITCHES YOU CANAL.
THERE WERE MANY OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT THEY HAD WALK ON CALL.
HERE YOU ARE DRIVING ON THE ROAD FOR THE.
I REALIZE THAT THEY HAVE OVER COURSE OVER.
AND THEN IF WE ARE WITH THOSE, I DON'T SEE ANY.
AND THERE WERE SOME REPORTS THAT AT THE END OF.
BUT IT IS LEADING NOWHERE OR IS THE EXPENSES OF THE THOSE WATER? THE ANSWER IS YES. WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE ARE THE PAVE SWELLS WHERE WE CAN INSTALL A PIPE.
WE WILL, HOWEVER, BECAUSE SOME OF THESE SWELLS ARE NOT AS DEEP AND NOT AS WHERE WE COULD PUT A PIPE IN, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE SIZE OF THE MINIMUM SIZE OR A DRAINAGE PIPE IS TYPICALLY 15 INCHES.
PIPE SIZE TYPICALLY AS 15 INCHES.
SO YOU HAVE 15 INCHES. THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE SO MUCH FOR COVER, EVEN IF YOU HAVE A WHAT THEY CALL IT ARMOR, WHICH IS LIKE A CEMENT CAP ON TOP.
SO SHALLOW, LET'S SAY YOU PUT IT ON TOP OF THAT.
YOU KNOW, YOU TALK ABOUT TWO FEET RIGHT NOW.
SO THERE IS WE DON'T HAVE TWO FEET AND IT IS GOING TO BE HOT.
NOBODY WANTS A ROAD THAT NOBODY WANTS AND NOBODY WAS UP.
AND SO THOSE ARE THE CHALLENGES WE HAVE.
BUT WE COULDN'T PUT THAT PIPE IN.
WE PUT THE PIECES BACK IN UNIT TWENTY THREE.
THERE WAS A LOT OF LOCATIONS WHERE THE PACE WELLS ARE VERY SHALLOW.
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THERE'S NO WAY TO PUT A PIPE UNLESS WE PUT HUMPS IN ALL THE CROSSINGS.SO THOSE SPACE FLOWS WERE PUT BACK WITH THESE WELLS.
AND THEN AFTER THAT WE HAD TO GO IN THE TRENCH, HAD A WHOLE BUNCH AND I'LL SHOW YOU A PICTURE, A WHOLE BUNCH OF SWELL SYSTEMS, BECAUSE WE HAD TO MAKE SURE THERE'S POSITIVE WATER FLOW. WE TOOK CARE OF THAT.
AND IN FACT, I WAS OUT THERE LAST WEEK WHEN IT WAS RAINING.
STILL, MOST OF THOSE AREAS ARE DRAINING FIRE.
I FOUND A PLACE WHERE IT HAD SOME PONDING OR WATER.
ALL THE OTHER LOCATIONS HAD POSITIVE IN IT RIGHT AFTER THE LAST YEAR KNOW TWENTY THREE BECAUSE THERE WAS NO DITCHES BEING STRETCHED OUT.
WE HAD A LOT OF AREAS THAT HAD PONDING WATER, BUT BEYOND THOSE INTERSECTIONS HAD PONDY WATER BEFORE WE PAVED THEM BECAUSE I WAS HEARING PEOPLE SAY THIS WAS NEVER THIS WAY.
YES, IT WAS, SIR. YOU'VE ALWAYS HAD A PUDDLE OF WATER HERE.
NOW IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD BECAUSE YOU HAD YOUR BRAND NEW PASTRY WITH A PAVED SO WELL.
BUT PONDED WATER ALWAYS WAS HERE FROM DAY ONE.
WE DID TAKE CARE OF THOSE. SO WE ARE DOING OUR BEST TO TRY TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE POSITIVE FLOW. WHAT WE CAN PUT A PIPE, WE WILL PUT A PIPE.
BUT THERE'S PHYSICAL CONSTRAINTS.
ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. AND THEN ON THE SLIDE HERE IS THIS THIS IS A STATEMENT FOR THE STATE, FOR OR FOR PROGRAM.
I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE CLEAN WATER ACT, WHICH IS TYPICALLY A FEDERAL ACT.
BUT AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THE CITY LET'S SEE WHAT THE STATE TOOK IT UPON ITSELF BACK IN DECEMBER OF TWENTY TWENTY TO TAKE OVER THE REVIEW PROCESS FROM A STATE STAMP COMMITTEE.
SO THAT'S THAT'S SOMETHING I CAN SAY ONLY A FEW STATES HAVE THIS OR ONE OF THEM NOW, SO SO FOR A LOT OF THE WETLANDS AT ONE TIME WE WERE BEING REVIEWED THROUGH THE ARMY CORPS ARE NOW GOING TO BE.
THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO STREAMLINE THE OVERALL REVIEW PROCESS, AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY I THINK OUR GOVERNOR WANTED TO GO THAT WAY BEFORE WHEN ST.
YOU KNOW, THE GOVERNOR IS KIND OF PUT A HALT TO THAT.
SO TO SAY YOU ONLY GET THREE DAY REVIEWS, YOU ONLY GET ONE CHILD REVIEW, AND THEN YOU LET THEM GO, YOU LET THEM STOP BUILDING IS WHAT HAPPENED WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE.
YOU SAY, JOHN, YOU WOULD GO THROUGH LIKE 20 OR 30 RENDITIONS OF REVIEWS AND LITTLE GO BACK TO THE SAME COMMENT THAT YOU START OFF WITH.
AND SO THE PERMITTING PROCESS TOOK FOREVER, LIKE YEARS.
THAT CHANGED RECENTLY WHEN I ASKED GOVERNOR AND I THINK CURRENTLY NOW WITH THIS NEW STATE, FOUR PROCESS IS THE SAME THING.
THEY'RE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, TRYING TO DO THINGS MORE STATEWIDE. SO YOU COULD DO A MORE STREAMLINED REVIEW PROCESS.
UNDER THE FEDERAL OR STATE PROGRAM, ANYTHING WITH A NAVIGABLE WATERWAYS THREE HUNDRED FEET FROM A NAVIGABLE WATERWAY IS STILL.
BUT THIS IS SOMETHING IS VERY GOOD FOR THE STATE.
I CAN ONLY A FEW STATES HAVE ONE OF THEM NOW EVENTS IN THE NEXT SLIDE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE OLD PALMY, THIS IS THE OLD PALM BAY, AS YOU KIND OF SEE KIND OF BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, IN A ROUGH SHELL, THAT'S THE OLDEST.
YOU CAN SEE US ON THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND LIKE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD, PALM BAY ROAD.
IS THAT PINK IS IS BASEN? I THINK IT'S BASED ON NINE.
AND WITHIN THAT PINK, YOU HAVE LIPSCOMBE AND R.J.
CONNELLAN. SO YOU KIND OF HAVE A SENSE TO SEE WHERE ALL THE DIFFERENT BASINS ARE AND THE VERY, VERY FAR WESTERN BLUE, BIG BLUE, THAT'S ALL BASIN 11.
THE GREEN, I THINK IS BASIN ONE.
SO YOU CAN SEE THOSE ARE THE OLD TRADITIONAL BASINS AND EVERYTHING.
THIS WATERWAY SYSTEM FLOWS SOUTH AND THEN INTO TURKEY CREEK, REASON WHY IT HAS TO GO SOUTH INTO TURKEY BECAUSE HE CAN'T CROSS THE RIVER WHICH TRACKS.
THIS IS THE REVERSE OF WHERE I CAME FROM, FASHION, SO FASHION ACTUALLY COUNTERCLOCKWISE, EVERYTHING CAN'T CROSS THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
SO EVERYTHING GOES COUNTERCLOCKWISE AND THEN FLOWS.
IT WAS A SEBASTIAN RIVER INTO THE LAGOON.
WE ARE THE OPPOSITE. WE ARE ACTUALLY CLOCKWISE.
SO AND YOU TURN THE NEXT SLIDE EVENTS AND YOU CAN SEE THIS IS WHAT THE BASIN I TOOK BASED ON THEM, BECAUSE ONE OF THE MOST CHALLENGING ONES WE HAD THAT HAD A LOT OF.
DRAINAGE ISSUES, SO YOU CAN SEE FROM THE VERY TOP, WHICH IS THAT JUST THE HEIGHTS AREA IS SHOWN IN BLUE AS IT COMES DOWN, COMES DOWN AND GOES THROUGH PALM BAY COLONY, IT COMES DOWN AS FOLLOWS ALONG THE PATH OF THE DRAINAGE DITCH ALONG THE COAST GUARD, AND THEN IT CROSSES OVER CROSSES PALM BAY ROAD AND THEN IT WORKS BEHIND BY FRANKLIN STREET ALL THE WAY DOWN AND THEN EVENTUALLY GOES INTO THE COUNTERCLOCKWISE.
DRAINAGE SYSTEM, EVERYTHING IN THESE BASINS.
THIS IS WHERE IT FLOWS OUT INTO THE OUT INTO LOOK IT JUST TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE FROM THE VERY NORTHERN TOP TO, SAY, FLORIDA AVENUE, WHICH IS RIGHT UP THERE BY THE VERY TOP OF BRISTOL HEIGHTS, THE ELEVATION THERE IS AT 20.
ELEVATION, THERE IS A 20 ELEVATION AT WORD DUMPS INTO TURKEY CREEK RIGHT THERE AT THE VERY BOTTOM, WE SEE TURKEY WITH ARROWS, ELEVATION 10.
THERE'S ONLY A 10 FOOT DIFFERENCE IN GRADE.
RIMA'S 10 FOOT DIFFERENCE IS GREAT, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS LIKE SIX DIFFERENT SLOAT OR 006 AS FLAT AND FLAT.
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WHAT HAPPENS IS, YOU KNOW, WE WE CREATE JOBS AND PUT THEM ON AND BACK UP ISSUE WITH STORMWATER IS IN FLORIDA AND EVERYTHING IS FLAT, SO IT'S REALLY THE EASIEST STATE TO WORK. I'M SORRY BECAUSE I COME FROM CALIFORNIA.CALIFORNIA'S HILLS ARE TYPICALLY WHEN YOU DO THE NORTHERN STATES AND ANY OTHER STATES THAT HAVE TERRAIN DRAINAGE IS.
SHE DRAINAGE IS WHEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN ENERGY PROBLEM, WATER CREATES ENERGY.
THAT'S WHY, LIKE IN THE MOUNTAINS, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE LIKE DAMS, NO OBSTRUCTIONS BECAUSE YOU DISSIPATE. THE ENERGY CAN BE HUMONGOUS, MASSIVE DAMAGE.
WHEN I WAS AN ENTRY LEVEL ENGINEER, I DIDN'T REALIZE ABOUT HYDRAULIC HYDRAULIC LINE.
WE DESIGNED A PIPE SYSTEM AND EVERYTHING WORKED OUT FOR THE WATER FLOW AND EVERYTHING BUT THE ENERGY AND HIGHER.
I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS SO AT THE VERY END, WE ACTUALLY HAD A BOLT DOWN THE MANHOLE BECAUSE THE FIRST TIME ALL THE MANHOLES BLEW UP BECAUSE THERE WAS SO MUCH ENERGY, THE WATER PUSHED ITSELF UP.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT HERE IN FLORIDA, BUT IN OTHER STATES, BECAUSE WHAT IT IS YOU HAVE A DROP DROP CREATES ENERGY.
SO THAT'S WHAT THEY CALL IT, AN ENERGY GRAY LINE WATER SYSTEM.
THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE WHEN YOU HOLD THOSE SHEETS OF ENERGY COMING OUT OF IT.
AND THE MORE CONSTRAINT YOU HAVE, THE MORE POSITIVE ENERGY GETS.
SAME THING WITH DROP IN OUR SYSTEM.
IT'S FLAT OUR TO TRULY MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE CONVEYANCE AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S SOME POSITIVE. HOW WE GET THERE IS THROUGH IS THROUGH A HEAD, BASICALLY, WHEN WATER STORM COMES IN PAKISTAN GROUND, THERE'S THERE'S THERE'S ENERGY BEHIND A LITTLE BIT OF HEAD THAT'S THERE IS PIPES.
YOU HAVE PIPES THAT ARE ALMOST FLAT.
AND WE'RE TALKING WHEN I SAY ON 006, IT IS FLAT.
YOU KNOW, THE ONLY WAY THE WATER MOVES IS BECAUSE THIS IS THE ENERGY HAS HAD.
AND THEN WE HAVE SOME FENBY SECTIONS, WE HAVE JOBS, TYPICALLY THE SYSTEM WORKS LIKE, SAY, BECAUSE WE HAVE SUCH A FLAT TERRAIN, WE HAD FLOODING OR DRAINAGE ISSUES IN THE PAST.
WE'VE NOW CLEARED OUT ALL THE CANALS AND DITCHES.
HOWEVER, DO WE HAVE AREAS THAT HOLD WATER? DEFINITELY, YES, BECAUSE IT'S FLAT.
SO, AGAIN, THIS IS A THREE MILE FROM THE TOP TO THE BOTTOM THREE MILE.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS THE OLD PALM BAY AND THEN WHAT'S SHOWN BASICALLY IS THE BASE IN LEBANON, WHICH IS THE MOST CHALLENGING AREA THAT HAS OUR DRAINAGE ON THE, YOU KNOW, THE REMAINING PARTS OF THE CITY. THERE'S A FEW POCKETS I CAN FORTY EIGHT FORTY SOME POCKETS OF OUR OF OUR TRUE DRAINAGE ISSUES.
THIS BASEMENT RIGHT HERE IS ONE OF THE LARGEST BASINS.
APPARENTLY TO EVEN THE SUB DRAINAGE AREAS, WE HAVE THE OLD DDC CANAL SYSTEM, THE LARGEST BASE, AND WE HAVE THIS STORY BECAUSE IT GOES THROUGH, AS YOU KNOW, THE OLDER PARTS OF TOWN, PARMIGIANI SHIERS, JUST THAT WHOLE AREA IS CHALLENGING.
WELL, LET ME SHOW YOU WHERE THIS IS, ONE OF THE AREAS THAT WE HAVE ALWAYS ON OUR LIST, AND KEY THING IS, AS YOU SEE IT ALL DRAINS INTO TURKEY CREEK.
SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE DO WATER QUALITY.
HOW DO WE DO WATER QUALITY? WE TRY TO DO OUR BEST EFFORTS WITH BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES TO INSTALL BATHO BOXES, TREATMENT, TRAIN DETENTION FACILITIES, STABILIZATION AND.
BUT IF YOU TRY THE NEXT SLIDE, THIS IS A MAP AND THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW TO HELP PROTECT, AND IT'S REALLY THE INDIAN RIVER, THAT'S HOW IT FLOWS INTO THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON. AND THAT'S THE IMPERIUM AUTOBODY.
SO WE DO HAVE NINE BAFFO BOXES OF THAT, THERE'S TWO NEW TRANSAVIA BOXES AND YOU AN IDEA WHAT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A BAFFLE BOX AND A NEW CHIMBU BOX, THE OLD EARTH VERSION, VAFA BOX, WHICH IS THAT'S WHY THEY CALL THEM BHATHAL SHELLS.
OH, BACK THE BRAIN, WHAT HAPPENS WAS WATER GOES INTO THE BOX, LITTLE LOCKS, SHELVES, SO THAT WAY THE WATER IS GOING TO BUILD UP THE NEXT SHELL.
SO WHEN IT DOES IT, ALL THE DEBRIS, THE BOTTOM OF OFF IT GOES TO THIS BATTLE.
ON THE OTHER SIDE, IF THERE'S A HIGH FLOW WATER CONDITION, LIKE HEAVY STORM SYSTEM WILL BLOW IT UP AND THEN WE'LL SHOOT ACROSS THE WELL IMPACT.
YOU HAVE A HEAVY STORM. YOU DON'T WANT THAT SINKING CAUSING FLOODING BECAUSE THE WATER SYSTEM, HIGH TIDE SYSTEM FLOWS FREELY.
LOW TIDE, LOW IN LOW RAIN AREAS, IT GOES BACK.
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A TRADITIONAL OLD, BAFFLED AND BAFFLED BOX, NEWSHAM BAFFO BOXES NOW AT THE VERY END AS FILTER.
AND TYPICALLY THESE FILTERS LIKE COUNTRY ONE THEY CALL AN OLD AND GOLD IS BASICALLY LIKE WE HAVE IN THE REFRIGERATOR IS BASICALLY A CHARCOAL FILTER.
IT TAKES OUT NITROGEN PHOSPHATES.
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SO THIS IS A FILTERED IN OUT THOSE THREE CHEMICALS AND THOSE ARE THE THREE CHEMICALS IN ARE THEY ARE INNUMERABLE GOOD AND AND SUSPENDED SOLIDS, BUT CHEMICALS THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO PRODUCE FROM THE LAGOON IS NOT TOTAL NITROGEN, TOTAL PHOSPHATES, NITRATES, WELL, SUSPENDED ALL. THESE NEW BALLOT BOXES DO THAT, AS SHOWN ON THE MAP ARE THE LOCATIONS WE HAVE JUST TO LET YOU KNOW US TO GOOD EFFORTS WITH THE CITY.YOU KNOW, THE CITY APPLIED THROUGH STATE APPROPRIATIONS FOR TWO ADDITIONAL BALLOT BOXES AND WE GOT APPROVED 300000 DOLLARS, JUST TWO MORE BALLOT BOX.
JUST THE ONE BALLOT BOX IS GOING TO GO INTO.
IF YOU KNOW WHERE GOODEY PARK IS WITH A BOAT RAMP IS WHERE THE CAPTAIN'S HOUSE, IF YOU GO OUT THAT THIS BIG CONCRETE LIKE A DROP STRUCTURE, I'M NOT SURE.
I THINK A BIG CONCRETE I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT IS, BUT IT IS LIKE A DROP STRUCTURE.
IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE.
IT'S A 20, A 10 BY 20 PERFECT SIZE TO PUT A BIG BAG OF BOXER BITTERLY.
AND THEN WE'LL CLEAR THE WATER BEFORE IT DESTROYS IT RIGHT INTO THE NUMBER ONE.
NUMBER TWO, POWERFUL BOXES WHERE WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THE ARAB BASIN.
IT ALL GOES DRAINS IT WHERE THE FORESTATION ONE IS ON PALM BAY ROAD.
SO THAT WHOLE HUGE AREA THAT DRAINS ALL THAT WATER IS A LOT OF ACREAGE TO RIGHT THERE BY THE FIRE STATION. IS IT SECOND IS THAT'S GOING TO CATCH ALL THAT WATER RIGHT NOW.
IT'S TREATED BECAUSE IT WORKS AS IT HAS, BUT I MEAN, ON A HEAVY STORM, IT'S UNTREATED, SO WE HAVE NO WAY OF TREATING IT WITH TWO TYPES WHO USE A BARREL BOX OR USE A BARREL BOX WITH A COMBINATION OF OTHER TYPES OF BNP BEST MANAGING PRACTICES TO CREATE LIKE A TREATMENT TRAIN. AND SO THAT'S WHAT THE STATE ARE ENCOURAGING.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE GOT FUNDED FOR, FOR TWO NEW BAFFOUR BOXES.
SO THIS THIS WILL INCREASE WITH TWO MORE BOXES THAT COME CLOSE TO WHERE WE SHOULD BE.
WHEN I'M CLOSE. I'M UNDERSTANDING RIGHT NOW, I TELL WE HAVE A LOT MORE OF.
AND THE REASON WHY I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE OF A LOT OF THE OFFICIALS ARE STATE, WE HAVE NOT WE HAVE A. A JOINT ALFER FOR DISCHARGE.
THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE AGAIN, YOU JUST WANT TO STATE THEY'RE THE ONES WHO HAD THE PIPES UNDER THE ROADS AND IT HAS IT GOES INTO THE RIVER.
WELL, WE HAVE TO GET THEIR PIPES GET OUT.
WE HAVE A JOINT DRAINAGE SYSTEM WHERE THE STATE.
EIGHT WILL USE ONE, YOU DON'T SEE RETENTION PONDS, YOU KNOW, THEY DISCHARGE 100 PERCENT RIGHT INTO THE LAGOON, LITERALLY 100 PERCENT.
RIGHT. YOU'LL SEE RETENTION BY.
SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON WITH THE STATE TO TRY TO PUT IN HALF A BOX OF PROMISE STATEWIDE.
WE GOT TO DO OUTSIDE OF IT RIGHT AWAY.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AND ARE TRYING TO CATCH OR IT GETS TO THE US.
ROADWAY SYSTEM, THOSE ARE CHALLENGES WE HAVE FOR STORMWATER.
HIGHLIGHT, THOSE ARE THE BAFFOUR BOXES WE HAVE THINK PRETTY MUCH AND THEN THE NEXT FEW SLIDES, VINCEY, JUST REAL QUICK.
SO THOSE TWO NEW ONES THAT YOU'RE GETTING, THOSE ARE GOING TO BE LIKE OLD CASTLE BOXES HOLDING ON. YES, THEY'RE GOING TO BE.
I DON'T WANT TO SAY THEY'RE GOING TO BE.
AND AS I SAY, WE'RE JUST GOING TO GIVE IT TO CENTRY.
I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THAT IT ACTUALLY CENTRY DOESN'T EXIST IN WORDS.
CENTRY GOT BOUGHT UP BY OK, OK, SO ALL CASTLES, THE ONES WHO MAKES THOSE TYPE OF BOXES.
BUT THERE ARE OTHER ONES, THERE'S ECO-SYSTEM BOXES, THERE ARE AT LEAST THREE OR FOUR OTHER MANUFACTURERS, ABOUT FOUR BOXES, SAME JUST A PROPRIETARY.
AND SO ARE YOU TRYING TO DO ANY TYPE OF STANDARDIZATION IN THE SYSTEM NOW SO THAT YOUR PEOPLE GO OUT TO MAINTAIN THEM AND THAT'S WHAT WE GET IN TROUBLE? SEBASTIAN IS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S WHEN YOU START GETTING SPECIAL.
AND SO AFTER A WHILE, I TRY TO KEEP ON THE SAME BECAUSE EXACT WHAT YOU SAY, IT WAS EASY FOR OUR MAINTENANCE GUYS TO REPLACE IT, TO FIX IT, TO BE ABLE TO DO THINGS IF THEY'RE ALL THE SAME AND HAVE FIVE DIFFERENT TYPES OF BARTHEL BOXES AND HAVE DIFFERENT LOCKS.
IF IT FILTERS, IT JUST MADE IT A HEADACHE AND ALL THE SAME.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT AS WELL.
BUT THOSE ARE THINGS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT, BUT AGAIN, MOST OF THEM ARE PRETTY MUCH STANDARDIZED, THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION OF THE BOXES STANDARD IN ALL THE LOCKS AND LAYERS WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO THE ACTUAL MATERIAL LIKE THAT.
AS THERE IS AND AN ECOSYSTEM HAS A SIMILAR CHARCOAL FILTER.
THEY ALL HAVE A YOU KNOW, SOME TYPE OF FILTER, THAT VIDE, WHICH IS PART.
EACH OF THE DIFFERENT COMPANY, BUT IT WORKS JUST LIKE WHAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR REFRIGERATOR IS A LARGER VERSION, YOU NEW ONES THAT WILL BE NUTRIENT BRIGHT.
JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT AGAIN, THIS IS SOME OF THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT WE'VE BEEN TAKING OF SOME OF OUR ROAD PROJECTS, SO THIS WHAT WE CALL THE TRENCHING PROGRAM WHERE WE TRAIN AS WELL. SO WE HAVE ALL THESE RESIDENTIAL HOMES OF FRONTAGE.
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WELL, SO THIS IS IS MAINTAINED WITH THIS TRACTOR, WITH AN ARM THAT HAS A LITTLE SPINNING BLADE THAT TRENCHES IT OUT AND THEN WE SWEEP UP THE DEBRIS.IT'S A CUMBERSOME BUT, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE SWELLS.
THAT'S ALL YOU NEED. THE NEXT SLIDE.
BENSON, THIS IS WHEN WE GOT MORE TOWARDS THAT UNIT 23, WHEN WE HAD THE CHALLENGES, WHERE WE HAD ALL THESE PACE WALLS AND WASN'T REALLY WORKING TOO HARD.
AND WE HAD TO REALLY OPEN UP THE SWELLS.
SO WE STARTED USING A LITTLE FACTOR.
WE USE AN EXCAVATOR, OPENED UP THE SWELLS TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS POSITIVE.
LIKE A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT, WE HAVE MORE THAT WE DO AGAIN.
AMP IS NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER CITY ELSEWHERE, SYSTEMS THEY'VE JUST BUILT UP, ACTUALLY. THEY GET SILTED UP, OH, WHAT I WOULD TELL YOU IS SEBASTIAN AND WE STOPPED IT, SEBASTIAN THESE TO PUT WHAT THEY CALL A QUARTER OUNCES, ONLY SEBASTIAN IN A CITY OF PORT ST.
WHAT YOU DO IS YOU TAKE A PLASTIC PIPE, AIDS PIPE, CUT IT IN QUARTERS.
THAT'S WHAT WE CALL A QUARTER OUT.
AND THEN YOU TACK DOWN THAT QUARTER PIECE AND THE VERY BOTTOM OF THAT SWELL, IT GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A.
A LITTLE BIT OF WATER, THAT PLASTIC WILL MOVE THE WATER COULD BE THE WATER BETTER THAN.
THAT SHOULD BE BUT IN COURT GROUNDS AS AN IT HELP IS.
YOU STILL HAD THE SWALE SYSTEM.
IS THE WATER TREATMENT? WHAT UPON? YOU SEE, PORT ST.
LUCIE DID IT WHOLESALE, THEIR ENTIRE CITY.
THE REASON WHY IT'S BACK AND KIND OF FELL THROUGH WAS BECAUSE I WAS STARTED AND THEY DECIDED TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING.
LUCIE, THAT IS IT IS A TACTIC WE CAME BACK AND ACTUALLY TOOK OUT THE DRIVEWAY, CHANGED ALL THE SLOPES. WELL, THAT'S A LARGER COST.
THAT TOOK A LOT MORE CHALLENGES.
WITH QUESTION. IT CAN'T BE CALLED SWAILS AFTER THAT, BECAUSE THE DEFINITION OF A SOIL IS A GRASS. THEY USE THE GRASS FOR FILTRATION.
WE STILL SAY BECAUSE AND I WENT TO ST.
JOHN'S AS A DEMONSTRATION AND THEY WERE VERY EXCITED BECAUSE IT'LL BE LIKE THAT.
I ACTUALLY THEY WERE VERY IMPRESSED WITH WHAT? WE STILL CALL THEM SWELLS AND EVEN ST.
JOHN'S ST. JOHN'S 12, BUT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WORK IS STILL DID THE ON A QUALITY WHEN YOU HAVE A LOT OF RAIN AND A LITTLE BIT OF AWAY, OR I GUESS MOST OF THE SYSTEM THAT WE HAD AT.
RIVER. SO WHAT YOU TRY TO DO IS TRY TO IMPROVE ANY INJURIES, WHAT AROUND PEOPLE LIKE TO DO. SO THEY SAW WHAT A MOVIE THE.
IT HELPED. EXAMPLE, WATER QUALITY STANDPOINT.
AND IT WASN'T A HUGE COST, IT A.
I GATHER IT WASN'T A HUGE, HUGE, HUGE COST OVERALL.
IT WAS SOMETHING THAT THEY LIKE.
I DON'T NEED TO SEE THIS. I KNOW WHO SAID FASHION STARTED, IT'LL DO IT ANYWAY.
THERE'S SOMETHING I WANT TO TALK TO IN THE LAST PHOTOGRAPH IS ARE TILLMANN CANAL SYSTEMS THAT WOULDN'T BE LARGE.
THESE ARE THE ONES THAT WE HAVE AT THE.
ONE TIME WE HAD TRIPLE WIDE, 72 INCH PIPES.
NOW THOSE ARE CORRODED, FAILING.
WE TOOK THOSE OUT AND WE START, YOU KNOW, EIGHT BY TEN, NINE BY 11, CONCRETE BOX.
SO THESE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE THREE TO FOUR A HALF ARE.
I LIKE THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE ALSO PUT IN AS PART OF THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM, SO THAT PRETTY MUCH IS OUR DRAINAGE SYSTEM AND OUR STORMWATER SYSTEM.
I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR ANY SUGGESTIONS OR ANY COMMENT YOU MAY HAVE.
IT'S NOT ROCKET SCIENCE, SO YOU GUYS APPLY FOR GRANT FUNDING FROM ANY OTHER AGENCY AND LEGISLATIVE APPROPRIATION OR FUNDING OR THERE IS.
AND AND I BROUGHT THIS UP TO CITY, I MEAN.
COMING FROM, SUBASH DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF MONEY, SO SO WE WENT AFTER EVERY GRANTLY AND THERE'S FOUR WATERCOOLERS, THREE TYPES OF GRASS OUT THERE BEYOND THE APPROPRIATION OF GOING UP FROM THAT LEVEL.
YOU KNOW, ST. JOHN'S HAVE WHAT THEY CALL 50 50 WATER QUALITY.
YOU GO UP TO ST. JOHN'S, HAVE A 50 50.
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SO LONG AS IT MEETS WATER QUALITY, GOOD EXAMPLE, RETENTION PONDS, BAFFLE BOXES AND APPLY FOR THAT AND AND, UH, MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE APPLICATION IN A LOT OF IT IS TO YOU KNOW, OVER THERE, THEY KNOW FOR SURE YOU HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE OF PUTTING IN THE RIGHT APPLICATION AND SUCCESS OF FINISHING IT IS A LOT OF AGENCIES THAT WERE THE APPLICATIONS GET SUBMITTED. THEY GIVE HIM THE GRANT.SOMETHING HAPPENS DOES GET DONE.
SO NOW THE GRANT AGENCY DOESN'T LOOK, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY FUNDED A PROJECT, DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE. THEY DIDN'T LIKE THAT.
THE OTHER TWO FUNDING SOURCES IS DEP OR IS IT THEY CALL IT SECTION 319.
THE OTHER ONE IS CALLED THE TMD TOTAL MAXIMUM.
KNOW, RIGHT? THOSE ARE THE TWO OF THEM, AGRAST, THAT THE STATE PROVIDES FOR.
ONE IS, I THINK, A 70 TO 30 AND THE OTHER ONE I THINK IS A 50 50.
YOU'VE GOT TO ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS.
BUT THOSE ARE REALLY YOU GOT TO THEY WANT YOU TO HAVE PASS RENT OR THEY WON'T BECAUSE THEY THEY'VE HAD SO MANY CITIES THAT APPLY FOR GRANTS.
AND DOESN'T IT FINISH AND THEN THE STATE AGENCY LOOKS FULL.
DOES IT GIVE A GRANT? THOSE ARE THE THREE DIFFERENT TYPES OF WATER QUALITY THAT ARE AVAILABLE THERE ANNUALLY, ST. JOHN'S IS, I THINK ARCHE ARE THE TWO EPWS.
WE'RE TYPICALLY ONCE IN THE SPRING AND ONCE IN OCTOBER.
BACK IN THE FALL, YOU'LL APPLY AND THEN YOU GET THE REVERSE HERE.
YOU'LL GET AWARDED THE GRANT AND THEN YOU HAVE A CERTAIN TIME FRAME TO GET IT IN.
BUT THERE THE APPLICATION IS NOT THAT CHALLENGING.
ONCE YOU'VE DONE ONE OR TWO AND YOU'VE GOT TO DEMONSTRATE THAT EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THESE, YOU'VE GOT TO DEMONSTRATE WATER QUALITY, GET YOU SOMETHING THAT SHOWS THAT YOU IMPROVE THE WATER QUALITY. BASICALLY, YOU REDUCE THE TOTAL NITRATES, PHOSPHATES OR.
THEY REQUIRES MONITORING AFTER I DIDN'T GET TO THE WHICH YES, THEY DON'T USUALLY YOU'RE CORRECT, 100 PERCENT. YES, BUT HOW ARE YOU GUYS UTILIZING ANY SAVE OUR INDIAN RIVER LAGOON FUNDING? YES, WE HAD THE LAST SET OF BALLOT BOXES.
WE WE HAD INSTALLED THE ONE THAT HAD THE TWO NUTRIENTS.
WE WENT AFTER THE THE COUNTY LAGOON.
YES, WE HAVE. DID YOU SAY THAT? LIKE, YOU KNOW ABOUT THE GRANTS, BUT IN THE PAST, WE WEREN'T APPLYING FOR THOSE GRANTS, BUT WE ARE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD OR IT'S THE STAFFING IT NEEDS AND LIKE SAYING I'M NOT SURE BEFORE REFORM.
ME BEING HERE, I'M NOT REALLY SURE FOR MY PREDECESSOR HAD A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE DO I'VE DONE SO MANY YEARS AS BEING A CONSULTANT AND SEBASTIAN AND BECAUSE I'VE DONE SO, I MEAN, I KNOW THE I KNOW THE STATE PEOPLE.
THEY KNOW ME, TOO. SO IT'S EASY FOR ME.
YOU KNOW, I JUST CAN'T SAY, HEY, HOW MUCH MONEY YOU GUYS HAVE THIS YEAR.
AND I SCALED DOWN MY APPLICATION BASED ON WHAT I KNOW FOR SURE.
THEY HAVE AVAILABLE THAT I SMITHA APPLICATION, BUT I MAKE SURE I TALK TO THEM.
AND SO BY THE TIME MY APPLICATION GETS SUBMITTED, IT'S I MEAN, I PRETTY MUCH HAVE A GOOD FEELING THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET THE GRANT IN WITH THE LADY.
I KNOW THESE PEOPLE. THEY KNOW ME ENOUGH OF THESE GRANT APPLICATIONS THAT IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THE PROCESSES THAT AND YOU HAVE TO DO A WATER QUALITY REPORT.
I'VE DONE SO MANY. I JUST TAKE THE ALL AND BLOW IT THE DUST AND CHANGE THE NAME, YOU KNOW, AND THEY KNOW THAT, TOO.
AND SO THEY LIKE THAT COMFORT.
THEY KNOW FOR SURE THEY CAN WORK WITH SOMEBODY THAT HAS DONE IT AND THEY KNOW FOR SURE THE PROJECT WILL GET COMPLETED.
THEY KNOW FOR SURE THAT IT WILL BE DONE RIGHT.
AND THEY THEY WILL LOOK GOOD, TOO, BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CITIES HAVEN'T DONE THAT AND THEY HAVE EGG IN THEIR FACE AND I UNDERSTAND AT ALL COST.
IT IS IT IS IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE WHAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AND SAY, OH MY GOSH, YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT THE FORM AND SAY, WHAT IS THIS? THERE'S CERTAIN PROGRAMS YOU GET.
ONE HAS TO DETERMINE WHAT YOU'VE DONE, WHICH IS IT'S NOT ROCKET SCIENCE ISN'T ACTIVELY PURSUING THAT. I KNOW.
I THINK IN THE FUTURE, THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY OUT THERE RIGHT NOW THAT THERE IS, BUT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO BE GUYS FOR A LITTLE MORE AGGRESSIVE.
I AGREE. YEAH, I MEAN, CAUSE THE STORM WATER UTILITY IS NOT GOING TO FUND EVERYTHING.
I MEAN, IT'S AGAINST STAFFING NEEDS.
AND ALEXEI, EVEN THOUGH IT TAKES TIME, IT DOES TAKE TIME TO DO THE APPLICATION, SUBMIT IT AND SAY IF YOU REALLY WANT IT, YOU GOT TO LIKE SIX MONTHS.
WELL YEAH. YEAH. YOU KNOW, WHEN I KNEW FOR SURE, I MEAN I CONTACTED KNOW HER NAME IS KENNEBEC. I WOULD CONTACT HER AND START THE DIALOG, TELL THEM I'M GOING ON.
HERE'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. UM, I'M PLANNING FOR NEXT YEAR, NOT THIS YEAR, BECAUSE I'M NOT GOING TO DO SO BY THE TIME I'M READY TO APPLY.
SHE'S ALREADY GOT IN HER HEAD.
HER STAFF'S ALREADY THERE WAITING FOR MY APPLICATION TO BE SUBMITTED.
AND THEY KNOW FOR SURE BECAUSE I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THEM AND GETTING OLDER BECAUSE THERE'S SOME NUANCES AND SOME CHANGES EVERY YEAR FROM THE.
BUT IF YOU WORK WITH THE AGENCY STAFF BECAUSE IT MAKES IT A LOT EASIER AND YOU FEEL BETTER BECAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU IN DEALING WITH THEM AND YOU HAVE A GOOD REP OR
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WITH. BUT AGAIN, IT TAKES TIME, ALL THAT TAKES TIME FOR YOUR LEGISLATIVE APPROPRIATION THAT'S GOING TO RUN THROUGH, RIGHT? YEAH. OH, I JUST A RECOMMENDATION, WHOEVER IS GOING TO MANAGE THAT.OK, SO I WOULD HAVE A STAFF MEMBER WORK ON THAT WITH YOU SO THAT THAT PERSON COULD THEN GO AFTER THREE 19 AND IT'S THE YOUNGER ENGINEERS AND TECHNICIANS BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE AN ENGINEER, YOU COULD BE A TECHNICIAN.
THEY NEED TO LEARN THIS. IT'S AGAIN, IT'S A LEARN LEARN BY DOING TRUDI'S LEARN BY DOING.
THERE'S NO BOOK. THERE'S NO CLASS TO LEARN BY.
PROGRESS REPORTING ON THE LEGISLATIVE APPROPRIATION FINAL REPORT.
ALL THOSE OTHER OPPONENTS OF THAT ARE GOING TO BE EXACTLY THE SAME AS ANY OF THE OTHER PROGRAMS. I CAN SEE YOU DON'T SEE THE HYPOCRISY, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR A LOWER LEVEL STAFF MEMBER TO GET FAMILIAR WITH THAT PROCESS.
THEN YOU GUYS COULD BE MORE AGGRESSIVE WITH THE OTHER FUNDING SOURCES ONCE THEY DO IT ONCE ON THE APPROPRIATION.
AND IT'S GOING TO WORK EXACTLY LIKE THIS.
THE NEW MONEY WE GOT THROUGH THE STATE APPROPRIATION, IT GETS FUNNELED THROUGH THE STATE DEP. SO IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN GETTING A TEAM DIAGRAM, NO DIFFERENT.
THEY'RE GOING TO SEND YOU THE SAME EXACT SCOPE FORM THAT YOU WOULD FOR A.
GOOD POINT, I'M VINCENT START WORKING ON WILL BECOME A GRANT WRITER BEFORE YOU KNOW IT.
NOW, THE QUESTIONS. AND THEN I'M GOING TO CHANGE TRACKS HERE, THEN MOVE ON TO FROM STOLTMANN, LET'S MOVE INTO TRAFFIC, A LITTLE BACKGROUND.
YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC IS REALLY MY MY BACKGROUND WHEN I CAME TO CALIFORNIA IS TRAFFIC IN CALIFORNIA'S WHOLE CAPITAL.
YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO BE YOU HAVE TO BE SPECIALIZING.
YOU GUYS HAVE NO TRAFFIC HERE, EVEN DOWN IN MIAMI.
IT'S NOTHING COMPARED TO COMING FROM CALIFORNIA, COMING FROM L.A., YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LEVEL SERVICE THAT HAVE TO BE OUR LITTLE SERVICE.
THEY METER, YOU KNOW, RAMPS GOING ON THE FREEWAYS.
THEY HAVE RATT METERS ON INTERCHANGE INTERCHANGE TO ANOTHER ENERGY.
COMPARE THAT TO COME IN HERE, IT'S YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT AS CONGESTED, BUT WE ARE GETTING THERE. OUR ISSUE RIGHT NOW IN PALM BAY IS.
I'M NOT SURE HOW, WHO OR WHAT OUR ROAD SYSTEMS, BUT SHOWN HERE.
THIS COMES FROM OUR COMPANY, OUR.
AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING THROUGH A CAMPAIGN AMENDMENT CAMPAIGN UPDATE.
THESE ROADS ARE IDENTIFIED IN THE CITIES COMPLAINT.
SO WE HAVE CHARACTERISTICS OF TWO ROADS THAT WE HAVE NO ARTERIALS, COLLECTORS, MAJOR COLLECTOR. SO THOSE ARE ALL LISTED.
OF ALL THOSE THREE SYSTEMS, A FEW OF THOSE AIMED AT THE ONES THAT ARE COUNTY ROADWAYS ARE THE ONES THAT ARE ON STATE ROADWAYS, HAVE A THRESHOLD LEVEL SERVICE LIKE.
THAT'S TYPICAL OF ALMOST ALL AGENCY.
HOWEVER, AS IN PALM BAY, AS IN OUR CURRENT PLAN, THAT ALL LOCAL STREETS HAVE THE LOWEST LEVEL OF SEA WE CAN ON.
SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THAT MEANS YOU REACH THAT THRESHOLD.
NEED TO TAKE CARE OF IT, YOU NEED TO APPLY FOR THE CAPACITY WHERE IT'S KIND OF A WASTE BECAUSE LEVEL SERVICE, SEE IF IF YOU SAW, LIKE WHAT'S CONSIDERED, YOU KNOW, LIKE IT'S LIKE A GREAT, YOU KNOW, A FREE-FLOW CONDITION, A LOT OF SPACE, BE A LITTLE BIT, SEE A LITTLE BIT, BUT STILL FREE FLOW CONDITIONS.
SO YOU STILL HAVE A LOT OF CAPACITY.
SO WHY DO WE KEEP OURSELF AT SEA WHERE MOST CITIES HAVE BEEN E, C IN CALIFORNIA'S F AND F PLUS THEY HAVE A PLUS ONE, F PLUS TWO BECAUSE IT GOT SO BAD, YOU KNOW, IS THEY STILL NEED TO GROW. OURS IS C, SO THAT NEEDS TO CHANGE.
THE ONLY WAY TO CHANGE THESE CLASSIFICATIONS AND THE LOVE OF SERVICE IS TO ACCOMPANIMENT.
DON'T KNOW WHY YOU DO THIS, WHAT THEY CALL IT IR VALUATION APPEAL APPRAISALS.
ONLY WAY DO ACCOMPANIMENT, I THINK, AND I'M NOT THE PLANNER HERE, BUT I KNOW IN THE PAST YOU CAN ONLY DO THAT TWICE A YEAR IN YOUR.
I THINK THEY CHANGED THAT LAW.
I THINK GOVERNOR CHANGED THAT AS THEY USED TO BE GOING TO DO SO MANY REVISIONS TO YOUR COMP BECAUSE IT WORKED FOR THEM.
BUT. AND THE ONLY WAY FOR US TO DO THAT IS THROUGH THAT PROCESS, THE LENGTHY PROCESS, WE NEED TO DO THAT BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A LOT OF STREETS AND AREAS THAT ARE REACHING THRESHOLD. IT SHOULDN'T BE USED TO HAVE A LOT OF CAPACITY ONLY BECAUSE WE.
PREDECESSORS, ESTABLISHED LEVEL SERVICE SEE AS OUR SPECIAL SOMETHING THAT IS HUGE BECAUSE IT LIMITS. CORRIDORS SUCH AS MALABAR ROAD.
NOW WE'RE GOING TO BRING THAT UP NEXT AND SEE IF HE TURNS TO THE NEXT SLIDE, I THINK.
I'M GOING TO HAVE TO DETERMINE THE LEVEL OF SERVICES IN TERMS OF REAL WORLD NUMBERS, WHAT THEY CALL IT. YOU NEED TO FIND OUT WHAT THE AVERAGE DAILY TRAFFIC ON THE ROADWAY, THE PEAKS ARE ARE PEAKS.
BUT TRULY, WE CAN NEED TO AVERAGE THRESHOLDS BASED ON THE AVERAGE DAILY TRAFFIC, 24 HOUR
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TRAFFIC ON A ROAD WE SAID ARE WHAT THEY CALL THE F DOT GENERALIZATION.THAT'S WHAT THIS SHOWS YOU, WHAT THEY HAVE OR URBANIZED AREA.
THEY HAVE DIFFERENT CLASSIFICATIONS BASED ON SPEED, BASED ON TWO LANES, FOUR LANES, UNDIVIDED, DIVIDED.
AND THEN THEY GIVE YOU A CERTAIN CAPACITY.
HOW MUCH? ALONG THAT ROADWAY, THAT'S WHAT SETS US.
WE DO OUR ANALYSIS, USE THIS TABLE TO DETERMINE WHERE WE SIT AS A LEVEL SERVICE TO CAPACITY, HOW MUCH CAPACITY WE HAVE LEFT.
BUT ALL FLORIDA KEEP IS THIS AND ACTUALLY THE TPO.
YOU KNOW, THEY DO ANNUAL ACCOUNTS FOR OUR STREETS.
THEY'RE REQUIRED TO COUNT ALL THE MAJOR.
SO THEY COUNT LIKE MALABAR ROAD, EMERSON, SOMEWHERE OF MAJOR COLLECTORS, HEROES USE THE SERVICE FESTIVAL.
AND SO EVEN THEY RECOGNIZE THAT LEVEL.
YOU SEE, THAT'S THAT'S IF YOU'RE UNDERSTANDING WELL, SO THEY'LL HELP US OUT.
WE DO NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH A PLAN AMENDMENT.
THEY WILL HELP US OUT AS WELL, BECAUSE I HAD MANY DISCUSSIONS.
THEY UNDERSTAND THAT WHOEVER DID THIS WASN'T THINKING.
WHOEVER DID THIS JUST WASN'T THINKING.
SUCH AS BOMBAY OR YOU'VE SEEN THE OTHER CITIES AROUND.
EVERYBODY HAS A LITTLE SERVICE, DID HE? AND TILL I GOT HERE, I WAS SHOCKED TO SEE I THOUGHT, WELL, MOVE IS A TYPO.
AND THEN I KEPT READING THROUGH THE COMPLAINT AND GOING THROUGH ALL THE DOCUMENTATIONS IN IT. SEE, THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE MAYBE SOME TYPE OF BENEFIT FOR ONLY STOPPING TO SEE THAT.
I MEAN, I THINK I'M NOT SURE IF WHOEVER DID IT WHEN THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS REVISED, THAT MAYBE THAT PERSON HAD SOME.
IF YOU VISION TO HAVE A LOT MORE.
MAYBE BACK THEN THERE WASN'T THAT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T THINK THEY EVER GET TO THAT POINT IN TERMS OF VOLUME? I DON'T KNOW.
I HAVE TO SAY IT JUST LIMITS YOURSELF BECAUSE IT REALLY HAS A LOT MORE CAPACITY.
FOR ME IS WHEN THE ROAD HAS THAT MUCH MORE CAPACITY, WHY DO YOU WANT IT THEN? SAY YOU HAVE TO ATALAY? THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE START REALIZING THAT DOES MAKING CAPACITY I LIVE HERE SEE THE VOLUMES.
YOU DON'T NEED TO BE ADDING LANES BECAUSE.
SEE. BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY BECAUSE THEN YOU ADD IN ALL THAT IMPERVIOUS AREA, THAT STORMWATER STUFF OR WATER, THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER ISSUES THAT COME WITH YOU REALLY WANT TO DO IT WHEN YOU GET TO THAT CAPACITY.
TYPICALLY. THOSE ARE THINGS WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THOSE, SO I'M GOING TO EDUCATE YOU, THAT'S WHAT WE USE THESE TABLES.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE USE THE NEXT SLIDE.
HOW CAN I OFFER ANOTHER TRAIN OF THOUGHT ON THAT KIND OF LIKE THAT? IT'S AT SEA BECAUSE IF WE I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU 100 PERCENT IF WE WERE STAGNANT OR DECLINING AND GROWTH WITH THE RAPID GROWTH WE'RE SEEING WITH IT SET AT SEA.
IT DOES GIVE YOU A JOB, A JUMP ON ANY FURTHER.
DEVELOPMENT IN THE INCREASED TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING TO COME WITH IT OF.
AND THE INTERPRETATION OF ACIDY AND DEVELOP WHEN YOU PASSED SPECIAL.
OH, RIGHT, SO IF YOU GET THE SEED, YOU START TO INCREASE YOUR CAPACITY, THEN YOU CAN FURTHER DEVELOP AGAIN.
BUT IF YOU WAIT FOR THE TAIL TO WAG THE DOG, IT'S HARD TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S WHAT'S THE RIGHT THRESHOLD PERIOD TO DO THAT? I MEAN, TRULY IS WHEN WHEN YOU ROADWAY'S TO SEE YOU HAVE CAPACITY.
SO I'M SORRY TO SAY, IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, CHANGING OIL, YOU KNOW, EVERY THOUSAND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW. YEAH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE NOT THREE THOUSAND, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A POINT WHERE IT'S NOT NEEDED YET.
IT'S IT'S THERE'S A LOT OF CAPACITY IN THAT WE STILL LIVE TO YOU THEN SAY WE NEED TO THEN EXPAND AND PROVIDE MORE ADDITIONAL CAPACITY AND A LOT OF TIME, ADDITIONAL CAPACITY OCCURS NOT JUST ON THE SEGMENT.
YOU COULD YOU COULD IMPROVE THAT SEGMENT BY JUST IMPROVING A TURN LANE AT THE INTERSTATE THAT MAY JUST SELFS IMPROVE THE CAPACITY ROADWAY.
I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THIS, BECAUSE THIS WAS BROUGHT UP AT SOME PREVIOUS MEETINGS BEFORE WE HAD THAT ONE LEVEL SERVICE AT SIXTEEN THOUSAND EIGHTY EIGHT OVER HERE BY A MALIBU ROAD. I MEAN.
THAT IT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE WE HAD THAT COMMENT TO SAY THAT NO.
YOUR STUDY SHOWS A OF TWENTY ONE THOUSAND.
THE QUESTION THAT SIXTEEN THOUSAND EIGHTY, YOU KNOW, THAT THRESHOLD THIS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, I CHECKED AND WE ACTUALLY PUT TUBE COUNTERS OUT THERE TO FIND OUT WE HAD.
AS A COVID AND BECAUSE THE THINGS HAVE CHANGED DRAMATICALLY, WE DROPPED ABOUT FOUR THOUSAND CARS, BUT WE'RE CLOSE TO 60 THOUSAND TURNS TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
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VINCENT, THIS IS THE NEWEST COUNT FROM THE TPO, AS I MENTIONED.KEEP YOUR COUNCIL OUR STREETS IF YOU LOOK ON THE NEWEST COUNCIL FROM THE TPO AND ON THAT MAP. RIGHT. IF YOU CAN'T READ IT OR.
MALABAR ROAD, A LOCATION WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHICH IS BETWEEN JUPITER MITTON, THEY HAVE SIXTEEN THOUSAND EIGHT HUNDRED SEVENTY.
UNDER THEIR PROBE, WE COUNTED IT FOR A WEEK AND WE WERE JUST SLIGHTLY OVER 16000, SO THAT NUMBER THAT WE HAD, THOSE DONE BY OUR SULTANA'S WITH THE STUDY WAS RIGHT ON THE MONEY.
BEFORE IT WAS AT TWENTY ONE, ALMOST TWENTY THOUSAND, SO WE DROPPED THAT MUCH TRAFFIC JUST BECAUSE OF IT AND IT HASN'T COME BACK UP.
WHEN WE'RE DOING THE THE TRAFFIC COUNTS, ARE WE CONSIDERING ALL OF THE IPADS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED AND THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDER THE THESE ARE THESE ARE AVERAGE DAILY TRAFFIC. SO ONLY THE ROAD THERE'S NO GHOST SHIP DOWN THERE, ONLY THE TRAFFIC COUNTING ON THE ROAD. SO THESE ARE THE ACTUAL TRAFFIC ON THE ROADWAYS.
DO WE HAVE A HEAD COUNT OF THE GHOST? YES, WE DO. OF ALL THE DEVELOPMENTS HAVE BEEN PROVED.
YOU HAVE THOSE NUMBERS WITH YOU TO SHARE.
NOW, I DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS THAT STILL KEEP US IN THRESHOLD FOR LEVEL C? NO, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE PUSHING IT.
RIGHT NOW, THE CAPACITY OF THE ROADWAY OR UNDER THE LEVEL SERVICE IS 17, 17, 700.
WITH THOSE GHOST RIDES, WOULD THAT KEEP US IN CAPACITY IN THE THRESHOLD CAPACITY FOR LEVEL D AS WELL? THAT'S ACTUALLY THAT'S ACTUALLY D FOR LEVEL SERVICE C IS 16 800.
SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE WE'RE RIGHT THERE AT C RIGHT NOW, 16 800 UNDER THE F GOT GENERALIZATION TABLE AND LEVEL SERVICE D IS 77.
BUT WE'RE NOT. WE'RE AT SEA. BUT SO I GUESS WHERE I CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE TOM WAS SAYING THAT BEING AT A LEVEL C IS BENEFICIAL IN A SENSE, BECAUSE WITH ALL OF THIS CONSTRUCTION THAT WE HAVE, WE ARE AT A LEVEL WE WOULD HAVE NEVER LOOKED BACK AT THE ROAD TO MAKE A RECONSIDERATION SO THAT NOW AT A LEVEL C, IT'S JUST PIGGYBACKING OFF OF WHAT TOM WAS SAYING. SO IN ESSENCE, THAT US BEING AT A LEVEL C, IT'S NOW A CONSIDERATION.
WE'RE NOW LOOKING AT THINGS REEVALUATING, WHEREAS AT A LEVEL B, WE WOULD HAVE REMAINED IN THRESHOLD AND WE WOULD HAVE HAD NO REASON TO REEVALUATE.
EVERY WHEN I CAME ON BOARD, THE FIRST THING I DID WAS, WAS KIND OF I DID A CITYWIDE COUNT AND THEN I TALKED TO CITYWIDE ACCOUNTS AND DID A QUICK LEVEL SERVICE FOR ALL THE ROADWAYS. AND BACK THEN I REALIZED THAT WE HAD SEVERAL STREETS, CIVIL SEGMENTS THAT WERE BEING CLOSED TO EVERYBODY.
GOOD TRAFFIC CONGESTION, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOUR PROBLEM STREETS ARE.
THE GOOD NEWS RIGHT NOW, I'M TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW, JUST LOOKING AT ALL THE STREETS THAT WE HAVE BASED ON THE NEWEST TPO, THOSE WAS RELEASED ABOUT A MONTH AGO.
EVERY STREET EXCEPT FOR EMERSON, EVERY STREET EMERSON DROPPED ABOUT THE LARGEST WAS FOUR THOUSAND TO THREE TO TWO THOUSAND.
ALL THESE STREETS DRAW AND I CAN SEE THAT BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, GOING TO WORK, PEOPLE WORKING AT HOME, THAT'S TROOPS.
EMERSON WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT INCREASED OF EMERSON WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT INCREASED IN VOLUME. EVERYTHING ELSE DROPPED DRAMATICALLY.
IT DROPPED FOUR THOUSAND CARS OFF.
AND YES, YOU. BUT IT DID BECAUSE BECAUSE OF THE KOBE AND WHAT WAS THE INCREASED THREAT OF THE INCREASED LOOK LIKE ON EMERSON, I THINK IT WAS JUST A FEW THOUSAND.
BUT IT WAS. IT WAS. BUT I SAW THAT AND ALL THOSE SHOTS TO YOU COULD SEE A DRAMATIC DROP AND ALL THAT, EVEN THE COUNTY STREET.
AND FROM WHAT I'M HEARING IS BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY IN THE PRIVATE INDUSTRY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT GOING BACK TO THE OFFICE THAT WORK BY HOME TELEWORKING.
IT'S ENCOURAGED BY A LOT OF THE PRIVATE COMPANIES.
AND SO YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT I'M PRETTY MUCH STAY THE SAME FOR QUITE SOME TIME UNTIL THINGS CHANGE AS WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
THESE NEW DEVELOPMENTS HAPPENING THAT'S GOING TO CREATE ANOTHER JUMP.
OF YOUR VOLUME THAT WENT AWAY, PARTICULARLY ONE SECTION FROM ST.
JOHN'S RIDGE PARKWAY UP TO JUPITER, WAS THE SCHOOL AND ALL THOSE KIDS ARE GOING BACK TO SCHOOL. ARE WE GOING TO DO A NEW COUNT TO REFLECT WHAT THE REAL TRAFFIC WILL BE AT THAT TIME? AGAIN, WHEN I CAME ON BOARD, WE DID IT TAKES A LOT OF MANPOWER, THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE THAT IF WE WANT TO DO ANOTHER CITYWIDE BOUNTY PROGRAM, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FARM IT OUT. I MEAN, IT TAKES A LOT OF MANPOWER TO COUNT EVERY STREET.
BUT AGAIN, THE LATEST ONE WE DID WAS EVERY SCHOOL HAD ALREADY BEEN ACTIVATED.
WE DID THE COUNT AND IT WAS STILL 16.
I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT YOU, I MEAN, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE DEAL WITH EVERY STEP, ONE THAT I AM IN LOVE SERVICE, IT'S CRITICAL FOR US.
I AM WORKING WITH THE PLANNING DIRECTOR THAT WE NEED TO TAKE THIS FORWARD AS A AS A PAYMENT TO THE COMPLAN NOW.
CHANGING WITH THE MASTER OR UPDATE THAT TAKES TIME AND TAKE FOREVER BY THE TIME IT'S THE
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PRODUCT YOU COULD DO INDIVIDUAL IR AMENDMENTS ON.SO WITH THE AMENDING IT TO A LEVEL, DOES THAT THEN STOP THE PROGRESS OR CONSIDERATION FOR PROGRESS, RATHER, IN EXTENDING OR OPENING UP THOSE ROADS, CREATING ADDITIONAL LANES LIKE CHANGING IT TO THE LEVEL D TO CREATE A NEW THRESHOLD? DOES THAT THEN STOP WORK ON THE ROAD TO EXPAND OR EXTEND FOR FUTURE GROWTH? THERE'S NO REALLY DOES.
WE HAVE TO STOP. I MEAN, I'M JUST ASKING THE CITY'S PLANS AND NOT A GENERAL.
THAT'S NOT A GENERAL QUESTION.
THAT'S A SPECIFIC REQUEST BECAUSE I CAN'T STOP DEVELOPMENT THERE IS COMING.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO AS FAR AS RIGHT NOW AT A LEVEL SEAROAD, SO WE HAVE MALABAR, FOR EXAMPLE, HEADING OUT TO WHERE LIKE THE LOANA HOMES AND HERE TO TRY AND THINGS LIKE THAT WITH A LEVEL C BECAUSE WE'RE MEETING THRESHOLD. IF WE WERE TO EXPAND THAT, MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, TO FOUR LANE THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT COULD INCREASE IT TO A LEVEL D POTENTIALLY OUTSIDE OF AN AMENDMENT R WITH AN AMENDMENT, I'M NOT REALLY SURE EXACTLY HOW THE PROCESS WOULD GO, BUT ONCE WE GET THE AMENDMENT TO CHANGE IT TO A LEVEL D WITH JUST THE TWO LANES, DO WE NOT CONSIDER THE GROWTH OF THE ACTUAL STREET TO TAKE ON THE THE ACTUAL NUMBER OF CAR OWNERSHIP? SO THAT MAKES SENSE. I'M NOT I'M NOT GETTING IT.
I'M SORRY. OK, SO BECAUSE WE'RE RIGHT NOW AT A TWO LANE, THAT'S WHERE WE GET ALL THIS CONGESTION. SO IN ORDER WE GET ALL THIS CONGESTION, WE'RE GETTING ALL THESE TRIPS THAT THAT GETS US AT THE TIP BASICALLY OF THE THRESHOLD FOR LEVEL C.
OH, NOW I KNOW CONVERSATIONS HAVE BEEN TO EXPAND IT, TO CHANGE IT UP, TO DO DIFFERENT THINGS, TO BE ABLE TO NOT BE AT THE LEVEL WHERE WE ARE.
SO NOW IF WE DO AN AMENDMENT AND CHANGE IT TO A LEVEL D, WHICH GIVES US MORE PLAYING FIELD TO PLAY AROUND WITH NUMBERS, DOES THAT NOW STOP THE CONVERSATIONS FOR CREATING A LARGER ROAD? NO.
OK, THAT'S ALL I JUST WANTED ON THE RECORD.
I JUST ASKED QUESTIONS TO GET ANSWERED, TO HAVE PROCESSES AS A AS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THE PDA THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AND THAT WAS ON THAT SHEET THERE.
THAT PROJECT IS THE EARLY PLANNING STAGES.
I'M GOING TO DESIGN THE CURRENT DESIGN COST FOR THAT ROADWAY.
WHY TEN DOLLARS MILLION? WE'RE RIGHT NOW AT A THRESHOLD POINT WHERE I CAN GO INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS BECAUSE THAT STUDY IS GOING TO BE HELD UP BY REASON.
WHY IS BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE PLANNING CONSISTENCY.
I DON'T HAVE TO DESIGN MONEY TO DECIDE IF THAT WILL NOT MOVE ONE STEP PAST A CERTAIN POINT. YOU DON'T HAVE THE DESIGN FULLY FUNDED.
DOES THAT MEAN THAT PD STUDIES, YOU DON'T GET TO DESIGN FULLY FUNDED? AND HE SAID HE GETS HALTED.
STUDIES WITHIN A SHORT TIME BECOMES INVALID.
A MILLION DOLLARS WENT DOWN THE.
DOES THAT MEAN I MEAN, IT COULD BE A START ALL OVER? I MEAN, IS THAT FOUR LANE WINDING DOWN TO OUT? SO IF I CAN'T GET TEN MILLION DOLLARS TO DESIGN, WOULD YOU TAKE TWO MORE YEARS FOR CONSTRUCTION TO ACQUISITION? THERE'LL BE MAYBE 10 YEARS OUT.
SO WE'RE TALKING, YOU KNOW, TEN YEARS OUT THERE OR YOU SEE, YOU KNOW, EQUIPMENT OUT THERE WIDENING THAT ROAD.
I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE WAY PAST RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE PUSHING IT RIGHT NOW AT CAPACITY LEVEL. THE PROBLEM ALSO IS WHAT HAPPENS WITH OUR ROADWAYS AND OUR ROADWAYS.
AS YOU AS CONGESTION OCCURS, PEOPLE HAVE A TENDENCY TO FIND OTHER ROADWAYS I'M SORRY THEY DO IS DIFFERENT THAN THE GRAVITY MODEL WHICH FOLLOWS WATER.
PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO SIT IN CONGESTION.
THEY WILL TAKE DIFFERENT ROUTES, THEY WOULD FIND DIFFERENT ROUTES THAT THEY KNOW FOR SURE COULD GET THEM FASTER AND QUICKER AND HAVE MORE CAPACITY.
IS THE WAY IT IS, THAT'S WHAT WOULD HAPPEN.
WHAT HAPPENS IS IF SOME AREAS IF YOU CREATE ROADWAYS TOO SOON, WHEN TISSUE IS THE MAN AS YOU WANT IT, THEY WILL COME IN OUR SITUATIONS THE OPPOSITE.
WE HAVE WE NEED TO START LOOKING AT ARTERIALS.
WE NEED TO LOOK AT OTHER MATERIALS AND ACTIONS, BOTH EAST AND WEST AND NORTH AND SOUTH CITY. IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF MATERIALS IT HAS USED, AND THAT'S WHAT MADE ME QUESTION THE SPECIFIC NUMBER OF INCREASE FROM EMERSON BECAUSE THE OTHERS DECREASED, BUT JUST WHATEVER REASON THAT INCREASE.
WELL, NEXT QUESTION. NOT REALLY, NO.
BUT SO WITH US LEAVING IT AS A LEVEL C, JUST HYPOTHETICAL CONVERSATION, DOES THAT DO WE THEN TRYING TO STAY IN THAT THRESHOLD? BECAUSE, OF COURSE, WE'RE NOT CONSIDERING WHETHER THE NEW YOU KNOW, THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE COMING ONCE THOSE DEVELOPMENTS GET HERE NOW GOING TO A LEVEL, DOES THAT GIVE US MORE ROOM TO CONTINUE TO APPROVE MORE DEVELOPMENTS, TO CREATE MORE TRAFFIC? THIS IS A POLICY QUESTION BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE AT SEA, AS YOU SAY, WE'RE AT OUR THRESHOLD, WE NEED TO BE CAUTIOUS.
WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
I THINK WE'RE OK BECAUSE WE'RE PROCESSING A STUDY.
WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO TRY TO DO A STUDY TO WIDEN THE ROADWAYS BECAUSE WE KNOW WE HAVE DEFICIENCIES IN SOME AREAS.
BUT BECAUSE OF FUNDING CONSTRAINTS AND ALL THAT STUFF, THAT BECOMES A CHALLENGE.
I THINK WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN FROM A STAFFING.
NO. STANDPOINT TO MOVE FORWARD, BUT THE PRACTICAL SENSE IS IT WON'T HAVE THE FUNDS THAT
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ARE JUST GOING TO GET HELD UP.NO DIFFERENT THAN BABCOCK GOT HELD UP.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO I'M JUST TRYING TO GET AN IDEA OF THE REASON, LIKE BASICALLY.
KEEPING IT A LEVEL SEE HOW DETRIMENTAL THAT WOULD BE TO ANYTHING PRETTY MUCH.
THE SYSTEM IS THE SYSTEM WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MALABAR ROAD, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO LOOK AT ALL THE ROADWAY SYSTEM TO KEEP IT AT A CERTAIN THRESHOLD BECAUSE IT WAS THAT WE ESTABLISHED WE'VE ESTABLISHED IT.
IT'S NOT RIGHT THAT THE CAPACITY OF THE ROAD SHOULD BE TO.
YES, THAT'S EVERY OTHER AGENCY THAT I KNOW STATE.
YES. THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK IN THE OTHER COMPANIES.
BUT SINCE WE'RE HERE AT FIRETEAM, I'M JUST ASKING I NEED TO BE REVISED AND IT NEEDS TO BE REVISED WITH A CHANGE IN SOME ALREADY CLASSIFICATION BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME OUR ROADS LIKE EMERSON, AS CLASSIFIED AS A LOCAL COLLECTOR OR MINOR COLLECTOR AS AN ARTERIAL, YOU KNOW, I'M SORRY, IT'S AN ARTERIAL, YOU KNOW, AND IN OUR COMPANIES LISTED AS A MINOR COLLECTOR, THOSE ARE THE DISCREPANCIES THAT EVEN OUR PLANNING DIRECTOR UNDERSTANDS THAT HE WANTS TO CHANGE. I DO, TOO.
SO THAT TAKES US TO DO A STUDY AND MAYBE ONE SECTION, ONE QUADRANT OF THE CITY IN BACK THAT UP WITH DATA AND INFORMATION IN TERMS OF WHY WE THINK IT SHOULD BE ARCHILA BASED ON ONLY WITH CERTAIN VOLUMES, CERTAIN CRITERIA OR A ROAD DESIGN, OUR STANDARDS THAT WITH ALL THE CHARACTERISTICS THAT THE VOLUME LOOKS OR SMELLS LIKE AN ARTERIAL.
SO TO THE STATE AND LET'S GET A CHANGE.
I SAY THERE'S A PROCESS YOU GO THROUGH TO DO THIS, WHAT THEY CALL YOUR AMENDMENT, AND IT JUST TAKES TIME. WHY? BABCOCK PETTINE STUDY IS THE SAME BOAT THAT WAS ACTUALLY HALTED, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE GOING THROUGH THEIR PDV STUDY AND THEN THEY GOT TO THE WEAKENING CALL OF A NINETY MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE DESIGN THEY HAD HAVE THE MONEY TO DO THE DESIGN AND CONSISTENCY, STOP AND THAT PROJECT STOP. AND HE SAID IT'S NOT.
AS I'VE COVERED, IT WAS LIKE TWO HUNDRED MILLION OR WHATEVER IT WAS WITH THE CONSTRUCTION, BUT THE DESIGN, THE DESIGN WAS 90 MILLION.
IT IS MY DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER? MY EDUCATIONAL.
ADDED AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR WAS ADDED BY ME, TYPICALLY JULY FAMILIES WANTING TO GO ON VACATION USED TO BE EVEN THE CITY COUNCIL DIDN'T MEET IN JULY.
THEY FOREGO THOSE ON THOSE MEETINGS AND ALLOWED SOME VACATION TIME AND TIME FOR PEOPLE TO GET AWAY. I DON'T KNOW HOW THE REST OF THE BOARD FEELS ABOUT IT.
I'M RETIRED. I'LL BE HERE IF WE HAVE A MEETING.
BUT I WANTED TO OFFER THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE WITH FAMILY AND MAYBE HAVE SOME PLANS.
I KNOW IT'S BEEN DIFFICULT TO GET A QUORUM SOMETIMES ON THAT JULY MEETING.
THERE'S NO. ASIA, I GUESS, ITEMS OR THINGS THAT WE THINK THAT WE NEEDED TO SPEAK TO ABOUT ANGELA, I WOULD TELL YOU THAT I'M PROBABLY GOING TO BE ON VACATION LAST WEEK, ANGELA, SO I CAN UNDERSTAND YOU PUTTING THAT IN THERE, BECAUSE I WAS EVEN LOOKING AT IF I'M GOING TO GO ON VACATION. OH, BOY, I GOT TO TRY TO FIGURE YEAH, SO THAT I CAN UNDERSTAND IT.
I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT, I WOULD JUST DEFER TO STAFF ON A.
NO, I'M FINE. I DON'T I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANYTHING.
WE HAVE FUTURE ITEMS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE ASKED US, AND SO I'VE BEEN TRYING TO KEEP IT, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S DOABLE.
SO IF YOU WANT TO HOLD THAT UNTIL AUGUST, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I DON'T THINK ANYTHING CRITICAL IN THAT IT HAS TO BE DONE.
IN JULY, IT WAS UP TO THE BOARD.
I APPRECIATE THAT, TOM, FOR BRINGING THAT UP, SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE THAT WE.
SECOND. FURTHER DISCUSSION CALLED THE AND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, I SUPPOSE WE WILL SEE EACH OTHER IN AUGUST AND I'LL CALL THIS MEETING ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.