Jul 12, 2021 Citizens' Budget Advisory Board

ALL RIGHT, CALLING THIS MEETING TO ORDER A SPECIAL MEETING, 2021-07 FOR CITIZENS BUDGET

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HERE, HERE.

OLSZEWSKI HERE.

HERE.

ALL RIGHT, JUST TO REITERATE, WE DO HAVE A QUORUM PRESENT.

[ADOPTION OF MINUTES]

IF YOU HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT SITTING ON YOUR TABLE WHEN YOU GOT HERE, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR WHATNOT, OTHERWISE, I WOULD NEED A MOTION.

A MOTION. ADOPT THE MINUTES.

GOT A MOTION. AN A SECOND TO ADOPT THE MINUTES, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE AYE, OTHERS POST. SO PASSED IT UNANIMOUSLY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AWESOME, AWESOME, AWESOME.

CALLING FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS, AS I SEE NO ONE HERE, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD, MOVING ON TO

[1. Continued discussion of CBAB members’ top priorities regarding departmental budgets.]

I FIRST WANT TO START OFF BY SAYING I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL OF YOU GUYS MAKING IT A POINT TO BE HERE. I KNOW THE MEETING LAST WEEK THAT WAS SCHEDULED HAD SOME SLIP UPS, DID NOT GET POSTED, BUT WE GOT THIS DONE, GOT THIS MEETING RESCHEDULED.

AND AGAIN, I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS BEING ABLE TO ATTEND.

SO THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS HERE IS TALKING ABOUT IF YOU GUYS WANT TO REHASH OR BRING BACK ANY TOP PRIORITIES, IF ANYBODY WANTS TO DO THAT, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT.

THE MILLAGE RATE RECOMMENDATION JUST YET MORE SO THE SECOND PART, SO IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT PRIORITIES FROM DEPARTMENTS THAT WERE NOTED IN THE PRESENTATIONS, IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO ENTERTAIN AT THIS TIME, IF ANYBODY WANTS TO ADD TO THAT.

YOU. THANK.

YES. WE CAN PUT OUR PRIORITIES.

WELL, IT'S WE ALL BROUGHT OUR OWN PRIORITIES AND THEN WE ALL DID THAT.

AND WHAT I WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE TIMELINE OF THESE MEETINGS, THIS MEETING SPECIFICALLY WAS DESIGNATED FOR LOOKING AT THE MILLAGE RECOMMENDATION WHERE, YES, WE HAVE OUR PRIORITIES AND WE STILL HAVE THAT.

AND IF WE STILL NEEDED TO TALK ABOUT WHAT EACH OF OUR PRIORITIES WERE, BECAUSE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION REGARDING THE MILLAGE RATE FOR COUNCIL ON THURSDAY AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO GO VOTE WITH A MOVING FORWARD MILLAGE RATE, WHICH AT THAT POINT IT CANNOT GO HIGHER THAN THAT NUMBER, BUT IT CAN STILL DROP UNDER THAT NUMBER. SO WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AS A BOARD FOR THEM TO CONSIDER IN THAT MEETING.

BUT THEN AND THEN MOVING FORWARD, WE'RE GOING TO KNOW THEIR GUIDANCE WITH THEIR DECISION ON THURSDAY, WHAT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.

SO THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK AND I WAS GOING TO ADDRESS THIS LATER, BUT MIGHT AS WELL GO TO ADDRESS IT NOW, SAY, ALL RIGHT, NOW THAT WE ALL EACH HAD OUR INDIVIDUAL PRIORITIES, SAY WE'RE GOING WITH NUMBER X, WELL, WHAT CAN WE DO WITH NUMBER X BASED UPON WHAT WE VIEWED AS PRIORITIES? SO HOW CAN WE BEST APPROPRIATE THAT THOSE FUNDS WITH WHAT COUNCIL DECIDES ON THURSDAY, THAT'S THE NEXT STEP IN THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW IS MORE SO.

AND I'M NOT TRYING TO JUST PUSH IT AWAY.

IT'S JUST MORE SO IMPORTANT TALKING ABOUT THE MILLAGE AND WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO COUNCIL REGARDING THAT MOVING FORWARD.

YES, A QUICK INQUIRY IN WHAT WAY, SHAPE OR FORM ARE WE GOING TO PRESENT OUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL IN THIS MEETING, THIS TO HAPPEN ON THURSDAY? FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD AT THE END OF THIS MEETING, WE WILL MORE OR LESS DISCUSS HOW WE AGREE AS AS A BOARD TO MAKE A DRAFT, A MEMO ESSENTIALLY TO THE COUNCIL.

AND THEN LASTLY, I WAS GOING TO ALSO BE REQUESTING IF ANGELIKA COULD SAVE ME A SEAT BECAUSE I KNOW THIS THURSDAY WILL BE A HOT MEETING.

IF I COULD HAVE A SEAT.

IF ANY OF YOU GUYS WOULD LOVE TO COME, I WOULD LOVE IT.

THE MORE THE MERRIER. I HAVE IT ON MY CALENDAR TO BE HERE TO MAKE A MORE OR LESS PRESENT AS A BOARD MEMBER, NOT AS AN INDIVIDUAL, AS A BOARD MEMBER OF THE BOARD'S RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL. AND REGARDLESS WHAT WE SAY, IT MAY OR MAY NOT RECEIVE BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY GOING TO BE A SENSITIVE TOPIC ON THURSDAY.

SOME OTHER STUFF GOING ON. BUT IT'S GOING TO BE A WELL ATTENDED MEETING, I ANTICIPATE.

SO I WOULD I WAS GOING TO BE ANOTHER ASK REQUEST IF I COULD HAVE A SEAT SAVED FOR ME TO

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NEW BUSINESS. OK, AND THEN ESSENTIALLY WE'LL HAVE OUR REQUEST IN THAT WE WOULD WANT AS REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE BOARD, THE BOARD DECIDES THAT MR. TO COME UP AT THAT TIME, SPEAK TO IT AS A PUBLIC HEARING OR WHATEVER SOMEONE ELSE, ONE.

OK, JUST TO UNDERSTAND THE MECHANICS A LITTLE BIT.

AND IF WE'RE SAVING SEATS, I'LL TAKE ONE TOO.

BUT MR. CHAIR, I JUST GET HERE A LITTLE EARLY.

THAT'S ALL I GOT THERE. YEAH, IT'S GOING TO BE A IT'S GOING TO BE A PACKED HOUSE FOR THAT MEETING. WELL.

THEY'LL BE THEY'LL BE LEAVING IMMEDIATELY AFTER A CERTAIN ITEM, I'M SURE I'M GOING TO TAKE MY SEAT WITH ME TONIGHT AND THEN I'LL BRING IT BACK THURSDAY.

WELL PLAYED. WELL PLAYED.

AWESOME. SO WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, IF ANYBODY OBJECTS, IF WE CAN GO AHEAD AND START, I'D LIKE TO HEAR YOU GUYS. I'LL TELL YOU, I'VE GOT A WHOLE SHEET PRINTED OUT HERE.

I READ OFF OF MY THOUGHTS.

I HOPE YOU GUYS HAD SOME CHANCE TO THINK ABOUT THIS MILLAGE RATE.

POSSIBLY YOU WATCHED THE WORKSHOP, SAW COUNCILMAN DISCUSSING SOME OF THEIR PRIORITIES OR WERE ABLE TO ATTEND.

SO I'LL. KIND OF WHOEVER'S READY TO JUMP IN, I'M NOT GOING TO GO NECESSARILY IN ORDER IF HE'D WANT TO ADD SOME COMMENTS ABOUT THIS, BUT AT THE MILLAGE RATE NOW, I RESERVE MINE FOR AFTER EVERYONE ELSE. WHAT HE WANTS TO BE ON THIS ONE. SO I WAS REVIEWING THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM EVERYBODY HERE AND OF MY OWN AS WELL.

I KNOW WE HAVE SOME COMMON CONSENSUS ON CYBERSECURITY AND INFRASTRUCTURE HERE WITH OUR CITY. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT OUT OF ALL THE PRIORITIES THAT I MENTIONED, WE HAVE YOU, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT AS NUMBER ONE, AT LEAST JUST EVEN SAY YOU'RE DOING PERSON BY PERSON. I WOULD BE THE ONE THAT I WOULD GO WITH BECAUSE THAT IS A TOP MATTER RIGHT NOW. COMPANIES CONTINUE TO BE HACKED.

MUNICIPALITIES IN COLONIAL PIPELINE, I MEAN, THE LIST GOES ON AND ON.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE NOT SEE THAT HAPPEN IN PALM BAY.

SO THAT'S MY NUMBER ONE ITEM.

AND IF WHATEVER IT HAS TO DO TO BE PRESENTED AT THE COUNCIL, THAT THAT'S WHY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE. THANK YOU.

DEFINITELY APPRECIATE THAT, MR. FILIBERTO, ONE THING I'LL ADD IS NOT TRYING TO DISCREDIT WHAT YOU JUST SAID, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE MILLAGE VERY CONCERNED.

AND I ACTUALLY I HEARD THAT.

AND I WHILE I AGREE WITH YOU, THOSE ARE DEFINITELY HIGH PRIORITIES.

LOOKING AT THE MILLAGE RATE RECOMMENDATION MOVING FORWARD BASED UPON LOOKING AT KEEPING IT THE SAME 30 PERCENT CAP ROLLBACK RATE, WHAT THOSE TYPE THINGS.

WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? THAT I WASN'T I DIDN'T HEAR ABOUT ANY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR MILLAGE, OBVIOUSLY, I LIKE THE MILLAGE LOWERED.

HOWEVER, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT CAN HAPPEN OR NOT.

WITH WHAT? WITH THE NOTES THAT ARE IN FRONT OF ME.

I WOULD. SO I WAS GOING TO SAY, I'D LIKE TO KEEP THE SAME, IF ANYTHING.

THAT SAID, ANGELIKA, CAN I ASK YOU TO GO OVER MILLAGE RATE NUMBERS TO THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITY? I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE DOCUMENTS IN FRONT OF EACH OF US.

I KNOW I WAS IN COMMUNICATION WITH YOU EARLIER, AND WHAT YOU SENT ME WOULD BE WONDERFUL IF YOU BRIEFLY GO OVER THAT.

I HAVE TO STEP UP HERE, WE DON'T HAVE A MICROPHONE OVER THERE ANYWAY , SO WHAT YOU WILL SEE ON THURSDAY GOING TO COUNCIL IS A PROPOSED MILLAGE RATE OF SEVEN POINT EIGHT THREE SEVEN EIGHT FOR FISCAL YEAR 2022, WHICH IS THE SAME AS FISCAL YEAR TWENTY TWENTY ONE, A THREE PERCENT CAP RATE IS SEVEN POINT FIVE NINE NINE FIVE AND A ROLLBACK RATE IS SEVEN POINT FOUR ONE FOUR TWO.

SO WHAT WILL HAPPEN ON THURSDAY IS WE WILL GO AHEAD AND REQUEST COUNCIL TO ADOPT A PROPOSED MILLAGE, AS CHAIRMAN SAID, IS IS THAT YOU CAN ALWAYS GO DOWN AND YOU CAN NEVER GO UP. SO GENERALLY CITIES KIND OF MOVE INTO THAT PROPOSED PHASE WITH EITHER A CURRENT RATE OR THEY ACTUALLY PROPOSE A HIGHER MILLAGE RATE THAN THEIR CURRENT FISCAL YEAR.

AND THEN AS THEY GO THROUGH THE MONTH OF AUGUST INTO THE SEPTEMBER FOR ADOPTION IS WHEN WE ACTUALLY ADOPT THE PERMANENT MILLAGE THAT WE WILL TAKE INTO FISCAL YEAR TWENTY, TWENTY TWO. SO LIKE I SAID, IS THIS YOU ALWAYS WANT TO KIND OF SET IT A LITTLE BIT HIGHER JUST IN CASE, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD HAVE A HURRICANE COME THROUGH IN THE MONTH OF AUGUST.

AND IF YOU SET THAT MILLAGE TOO LOW AND YOU'RE NEEDING FUNDING OR YOU SEE ANY

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SO THOSE ARE THE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS.

SO WHAT WE NORMALLY DO IS WE BUILD A BUDGET BASED ON THE THREE PERCENT CAP.

WE PROPOSE A HIGHER RATE.

AND THEN AS WE GO INTO THE BUDGET WORKSHOPS IN THE MONTH OF AUGUST, WE GET COUNCILS TAKE ON, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY FEEL THEY LIKE TO GO AFTER ACTUALLY THE PROPOSED BUDGET COMES OUT, WHICH WILL BE TWO WEEKS FROM TOMORROW, SO.

THE THREE PERCENT CAP RATE OF SEVEN POINT FIVE NINE NINE FIVE IS GENERATING IN TOTAL FOR THE CITY ROUGHLY ABOUT THIRTY SEVEN POINT NINE MILLION DOLLARS.

SO THAT'S CURRENTLY WHAT HAS BEEN BUILT INTO THE BASE BUDGET.

SO, OF COURSE, IF YOUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO MAINTAIN THE CURRENT RATE AND YOU'RE ACTUALLY EXCEEDING THE CAP, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE MAINTAINING THE CURRENT RATE, YOU WOULD BE GOING INTO NEXT YEAR AT A SEVEN POINT EIGHT THREE SEVEN EIGHT, WHICH WOULD GENERATE FOR THE CITY THIRTY NINE POINT ONE MILLION, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY ONE POINT TWO MILLION DOLLARS MORE THAN WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE BUILT INTO THE BUDGET.

IF WE WANTED TO GO TO ROLLBACK RATE.

SEE, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.

OK, SO IF WE ARE GOING TO.

ROLLBACK RATE, MEANING THAT WE INSTEAD OF ADOPTING THE THREE PERCENT CAP OF THE SEVEN POINT FIVE NINE NINE FIVE, WE ARE GOING TO ADOPT THE SEVEN POINT FOUR ONE FOUR TWO.

AT THAT POINT, WE ONLY GENERATE THIRTY SIX POINT NINE MILLION DOLLARS, MEANING THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO REDUCE THE REVENUE IN THE GENERAL FUND BY NINE HUNDRED AND TWENTY SIX THOUSAND SIX HUNDRED AND NINETY FOUR DOLLARS, MEANING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO CUT AN ADDITIONAL NINE HUNDRED AND TWENTY FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS IN THE CURRENT BASE BUDGET JUST TO MAKE THAT MEET IN ORDER TO REDUCE THAT REVENUE TO THE ROLLBACK.

I CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE BASE BUDGET I DON'T HAVE IN FRONT OF ME, BUT I KNOW IT PRETTY WELL. I ALSO HAVE SOME OTHER NUMBERS BASED ON PROPERTY VALUATIONS AND ON AVERAGE WHAT PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD PAY DEPENDING ON WHAT THAT MILLAGE WOULD BE.

SO I CAN GO OVER THOSE AS WELL.

SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'LL SEE THIS THURSDAY.

WE ALWAYS GO INTO THE PROPOSED BUDGET YEAR WITH THAT MID-JULY REGULARLY SCHEDULED COUNCIL MEETING REQUESTING THEM TO ADOPT THAT PROPOSED RATE OF WHATEVER WE CURRENTLY HAVE.

AND THEN USUALLY THAT DOES GO DOWN.

THANK YOU. MR. CHAIR. YES, QUICK QUESTION, IF I MAY, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THIS, WHEN YOU QUOTED THE SEVEN POINT EIGHT THREE SEVEN EIGHT, YOU MENTIONED THAT THAT IS WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY AT FOR THE TWENTY ONE FISCAL YEAR. SO FORGIVE ME HERE, BUT THE BRIEF IS MATH LESSON.

YOU CAN HOW IF WE WERE TO COME DOWN TO SEVEN POINT NINE NINE FIVE, WOULD THAT NOT BE CLASSIFIED AS A ROLLBACK OF SORTS? SO A ROLLBACK RATE IS CALCULATED BASED ON WHERE IF YOUR TAX BASE WAS NOT ANY DIFFERENT NEXT FISCAL YEAR THAN IT HAS BEEN THIS FISCAL YEAR, YOU ARE ONLY ALLOWED TO GENERATE THE SAME AMOUNT OF REVENUE AS BEFORE.

SO THE THREE PERCENT CAP, WHICH IS THE SEVEN POINT FIVE NINE NINE FIVE, IS A THREE PERCENT INCREASE RELATED TO THE PROPERTY VALUATION INCREASES, EXCLUDING NEW CONSTRUCTION.

SO A ROLLBACK RATE IS NEVER WELL, NONE OF THE MILLAGE RATES ARE NEVER EASILY CALCULATED WHERE YOU JUST SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT, I BUDGETED FOR IT IN THE PREVIOUS FISCAL YEAR.

THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO BUDGET FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR BECAUSE PROPERTY VALUATIONS INCREASE. AND THEN, OF COURSE, YOUR REVENUE INCREASES BECAUSE OF YOUR PROPERTY BASE INCREASES. SO THAT'S A CALCULATION THAT'S TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.

AND IT'S THE SAME WITH THE THREE PERCENT CAP YOU CAN'T JUST LOOK AT LAST YEAR AND DO THREE PERCENT. AND THEN THAT'S ALL YOU'RE ALLOWED TO GENERATE BECAUSE THERE'S EXCLUSIONS TO THE RULE. SO YOUR ROLL BACK IS NOT ACTUALLY SEVEN POINT NINE NINE FIVE, BECAUSE THAT'S BASED ON NEW PROPERTY VALUATIONS, NEW NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT COMES IN.

SO IT IS A TRICKY, TRICKY, YOU KNOW, CALCULATION.

SO THE BIGGEST THING TO REMEMBER IS, IS THAT ROLLBACK DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU'RE MAKING THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY. IT'S BASED ON A DIFFERENT TAX VALUATIONS THAT COME FROM THE PROPERTY APPRAISER. AND WITH THE WAY CONSTRUCTION HAS BEEN GOING, PROPERTY VALUES GO UP.

THAT'S ALL INCLUDED IN THAT VALUATION WHEN YOU CONSIDER WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO ROLL BACK VERSUS THREE PERCENT. SO I HOPE THAT CLARIFIES IT A LITTLE BIT.

IT DOES. AND I APPRECIATE THE DEPTH OF YOUR ANSWER.

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SO WE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE LESS OF THAT TO STAY TO THIS CONSTRAINED EARNINGS.

THAT'S CORRECT. SO GENERALLY, SO NOT LOOKING AT NEW CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE NEW CONSTRUCTION IS ALWAYS EXCLUDED FOR THAT FIRST YEAR.

THE MORE YOUR PROPERTY VALUES INCREASE, THE MORE YOU HAVE TO DROP THAT RATE IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THAT THREE PERCENT OR EVEN TO GET TO ROLL BACK.

SO GENERALLY, THAT'S WHAT I'VE SEEN IS, IS THAT IF OUR OPERATING VALUATIONS THAT WE USE FOR THAT, FOR CALCULATING THAT OUTPERFORM, THE HIGHER IT INCREASES, THE MORE THAT RATE'S GOING TO DROP. SO THAT'S USUALLY WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS DURING THE BUDGET WORKSHOP THAT WE DID LAST TIME, MY RATE IS ACTUALLY FOR THE THREE PERCENT CAP AND FOR THE ROLLBACK IS HIGHER THAN WHAT YOU'LL SEE NOW IS BECAUSE THE FINAL VALUATIONS DID COME IN AND NEW CONSTRUCTION WAS ACTUALLY DOWN A LITTLE BIT, BUT OUR REGULAR EVALUATIONS SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED BECAUSE I BELIEVE THERE WAS SOME OVERLAP ON WHAT THEY CONSIDERED NEW CONSTRUCTION. AND THEY MAY HAVE REEVALUATED AND CONSIDER THAT ACTUAL JUST VALUATIONS.

AND THAT JUST DEPENDS ON WHEN THE PROPERTY APPRAISER ACTUALLY [INAUDIBLE] THAT PROPERTY.

SO THAT'S WHAT MADE THAT RATE DROP EVEN MORE.

AND YOUR ROLLBACK WILL DROP THE SAME WAY .

SO IT JUST DEPENDS ON REALLY THAT ACTUAL THAT EXISTING VALUATIONS, THE HIGHER IT GOES, THE MORE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DROP THAT RATE.

SO ESSENTIALLY IN THE FUTURE, WHAT YOU COULD POTENTIALLY SEE IS, IS THAT THE MORE THE CITY GROWS, WHETHER IT'S WITH REGULAR HOMES THAT HAVE THAT EXISTING HOMES THAT HAVE VALUATIONS THAT GO UP OR THE MORE PROPERTIES COME ON YOUR ACTUAL REGISTER, YOU CAN CONTINUE DROPPING THAT RATE IN THE FUTURE, VOLUNTARILY EVEN.

AND TO PROBABLY GET TO A ROLLBACK BECAUSE YOU HAVE A LARGER TAX BASE THAT YOU CAN SPREAD YOUR REVENUE OUT OVER.

SO MUCH. SO I UNDERSTAND.

I THINK IF WE STICK TO THE ROLLBACK A LITTLE UNDER A MILLION DOLLARS THAT THEY CUT FROM ANYTHING THAT THIS BOARD PROPOSES WOULD HAVE TO COME FROM ADDITIONAL CUTS.

RIGHT, SO IF YOU WERE TO PROPOSE A ROLLBACK RATE, THEN I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK INTO THE BASE BUDGET ON WHAT'S BEEN INCLUDED.

SO NOTHING THAT'S BEEN REQUESTED BECAUSE AS OF TODAY, THE 15 MILLION THAT'S REQUESTED FOR THE GENERAL FUND, NOTHING HAS BEEN INCLUDED IN THAT.

SO REALLY, UP TILL TODAY, THE ONLY THING THAT WE'VE MADE WORK IS HAVE OUR REVENUE.

AND THESE ARE OUR OPERATING EXPENSES, WHICH INCLUDES OUR PERSONNEL, OUR BASIC OPERATING NEEDS, CONTRACTUAL INCREASES.

SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT'S IN THERE.

SO IF WE WANTED TO GO BACK TO ROLLBACK, I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO OUR OPERATING BUDGET AND CUT ABOUT AN ADDITIONAL MILLION DOLLARS.

WHETHER THAT'S PERSONNEL IN OPERATING, I CAN GO THROUGH CONTRACTUAL REQUIREMENTS.

I MEAN, I CAN GO THROUGH OPERATING IS OBVIOUSLY MADE UP OF A LOT OF THINGS.

BUT GENERALLY THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I WOULD HAVE TO DO IN ORDER TO JUST EVEN BALANCE THE BUDGET, NOT INCLUDING THE 15 MILLION DOLLARS THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED FOR.

AND THAT. HE HAD SAID IN PART OF MY CONCERN IS YOU ASK SUPPORT THAT WOULDN'T GO WELL WITH THE ROLLBACK REQUEST IF.

RIGHT, I MEAN, ANY OF THE REQUESTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY REQUESTED ARE NOT IN THE BUDGET, SO THESE ARE COMPLETELY SEPARATE AND THAT INCLUDES ANYTHING FROM CAPITAL TO OPERATING TO PERSONNEL. SO WE HAVE NO CAPITAL PROJECTS.

WE HAVE NO CAPITAL FUNDING.

THAT'S WHAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE BASE BUDGET.

IN THE BASE BUDGET IS BASED ON THE THREE PERCENT CAP.

IT'S TRUE. THANK YOU, SIR, I DO HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU.

IS THERE LIKE A, SAY, EMERGENCY OPERATION FUND, SAY, THREE TO FIVE PERCENT THAT'S SET ASIDE FOR THE CASE OF A HURRICANE OR NATURAL DISASTER.

SO WHAT WILL HAPPEN? EFFECTIVE FISCAL YEAR? TWENTY, TWENTY TWO.

WE ARE SETTING ASIDE A PERCENTAGE FROM OUR EXISTING FUND BALANCE THAT WILL BE SET ASIDE FOR AN EMERGENCY TYPE RELATED EVENT.

WE WILL HAVE MADE THAT HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR ACCOUNTING TEAM, WITH OUR CITY MANAGER AND HOW WE WANT TO REFLECT THAT, WHETHER IT'S IN ITS OWN FUND OR WHETHER WE

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BUT THAT IS NOT AN INCLUSION IN THE BUDGET THAT IS BASED ON OUR FUND BALANCE IN THAT FUND. SO THAT IS WHAT WE DO.

WE LOOK AT CURRENTLY THIS FISCAL YEAR ON HOW WE LOOK IN THAT FUND.

AND IF WE HAVE, LET'S SAY WE REQUIRE TO HAVE A 10 OR 15 PERCENT FUND BALANCE IN OUR FUND BALANCES AT 20 PERCENT, THEN WE CAN TAKE THAT REMAINDER, THAT DIFFERENCE AND SIMPLY JUST EARMARK IT OR SET IT ASIDE FOR THAT SPECIFIC PURPOSE.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS.

BUT THAT'S NOT. BUDGET IT IN THE BUDGET, THAT IS A SEPARATE ACCOUNTING ITEM ON HOW WE REFLECT THAT FOR OUR OUR POLICY HAS NOT TAKEN EFFECT YET.

YOU'RE SAYING IT'S PER OUR.

A MOTIONS,RIGHT? IT'S A MOTION PER OUR POLICY.

IT WILL NOT GO IN EFFECT UNTIL 10:00 ONE WITH THAT BUDGET.

IT'S A NEW POLICY THAT WAS JUST ADOPTED IN JANUARY OR IT WAS AN EXISTING POLICY THAT'S BEEN REVISED. SO EFFECTIVE FISCAL YEAR.

TWENTY, TWENTY TWO.

THAT IS WHAT WE PER OUR POLICY, OUR FINANCIAL POLICY WE HAVE TO REFLECT IS THAT PERCENTAGE AND THAT PERCENTAGE IS BASED ON WHAT THE CITY MANAGER AND CITY COUNCIL DEEMS APPROPRIATE. AND JUST TO BE CLEAR HERE, IT WOULD BE A PERCENTAGE IT WOULDN'T BE A DOLLAR AMOUNT PER THE POLICY.

IT IS A PERCENTAGE.

SO WHATEVER WHATEVER THEY DEEM APPROPRIATE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AWESOME, AND WHILE YOU'RE THERE, I AM GOING TO TELL YOU I AM LOOKING AT WHAT YOU SENT ME, THE CHART, AND I'M GOING TO READ THROUGH A COUPLE OF THINGS TO MAKE SURE ALL OF US ARE ON THE SAME PAGE.

AND YOU CAN JUST SAY, YES, THAT'S ACCURATE, BECAUSE I KNOW I CAN'T SHARE WHAT I'M LOOKING AT ACROSS THE BOARD IN COMMUNICATIONS WITH ANGELIKA.

EARLIER TODAY, I WAS E-MAILING WITH HER, LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THE PROPOSED BUDGET OF SEVEN POINT EIGHT THREE SEVEN EIGHT VERSUS THE THREE PERCENT CAP, SEVEN POINT FIVE NINE NINE FIVE, AND HOW THIS ULTIMATELY AFFECTS THE TAX BILLS.

I ASKED HER WHAT IS THE AVERAGE TAXABLE VALUE? AND SHE AND REPLIED BACK TO OUR AVERAGE TAXABLE VALUES, RIGHT AROUND 175 THOUSAND.

THEN WHAT HAPPENS IS WE GET OUR HOMESTEAD EXEMPTIONS, WHICH IS THERE TO 25000 DOLLAR HOMESTEAD EXEMPTIONS AND THEN SOME, IF YOU'RE STILL OVER 100000, I BELIEVE YOU'RE ELIGIBLE FOR AN ADDITIONAL 25000 OR A PRO-RATED AMOUNT AT THAT TIME OF HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION. SO I'M FOR RAW CALCULATIONS.

I'M JUST GOING TO READ THROUGH WHAT SOMEBODY WITH THE 175 AND THEN MINUS TO 50000 DOLLAR HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION WOULD THEN HAVE A PROPERTY VALUATION OF ONE HUNDRED TWENTY FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN IF WE STAYED THE EXACT SAME PROPOSED RATE VERSUS THREE PERCENT CAP IS 29 DOLLARS AND 79 CENTS FOR THE YEAR.

THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE OF GOING TO THE CAP WOULD SAVE AN INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNER ON THEIR TAX BILL, THIS IS TWO DOLLARS AND FIFTY CENTS A MONTH.

AND WHAT THAT DOES FOR THE CITY IS PROVIDES THE CITY ONE POINT TWO MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE CITY, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT IT THAT WAY , TWO DOLLARS AND FIFTY CENTS PER HOMEOWNER GIVES THE CITY ONE POINT TWO MILLION DOLLARS TO HELP TAKE CARE OF THINGS NEEDS IF WE'RE LOOKING AT PROPOSED RATE VERSUS GOING TO THE ROLLBACK RATE OF 7.4142.

AGAIN, AT THE 125 THOUSAND NET PROPERTY VALUATION WE'RE TALKING, IT SAVES THE CITY, I MEAN, SAVES THE CITIZEN, THE HOMEOWNER.

FIFTY TWO DOLLARS AND 95 CENTS.

FOR THE YEAR, THERE'S STILL LESS THAN FIVE DOLLARS A MONTH FOR A HOMEOWNER, SAVE ONE TO TAKE ONE POINT TWO MILLION DOLLARS FROM THE CITY IF WE MOVE TO THE ROLLBACK RATE.

SO I WANTED TO REITERATE, THESE NUMBERS SHARE AGAIN, THIS IS ON VERSUS THE OTHER ONE, WHICH I HEARD FROM COUNCILMAN WATCHING THAT WORKSHOP, THERE WERE A FEW OF THEM THAT SUPPORTED THE THREE PERCENT CAP.

AND SO I UNDERSTAND THAT'S I KIND OF SEE THAT AS THE WAY THEY'RE LEANING.

WE'RE TALKING TWENTY NINE DOLLARS AND 79 CENTS, TWO DOLLARS AND 50 CENTS A MONTH.

IT SAVES A CITIZEN IF WE GO TO THE THREE PERCENT CAP VERSUS STAYING WHERE WE ARE STAYING THE COURSE TO HELP THE CITY WITH ONE POINT TWO MILLION DOLLARS OF REVENUE.

CAN YOU CONCUR THOSE NUMBERS THAT I JUST READ OFF? YEAH, THEY'RE PRETTY ACCURATE.

SO I WANTED TO ADD THAT BIT OF INPUT, AND I KNOW A LOT OF US DON'T.

I'LL TELL YOU, THROUGH THE YEARS OF BEING ON THIS BOARD AND I'VE I'VE LEARNED TO LOOK AT NUMBERS LIKE THAT, WHAT DOES IT TRANSLATE TO THE HOMEOWNER MONTHLY? AGAIN, THE CITY'S TAXES ARE NOT YOUR ENTIRE TAX BILL IS A PORTION PROXIMATELY 30 TO 35 PERCENT OF YOUR TAX BILL IS REALLY ALL THE CITY GETS.

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AND IT'S ALL WE GOT TO DO A BETTER JOB OF EDUCATING.

BUT I WILL OPEN IT UP TO ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANYBODY INPUT BEFORE I GO ON MY WHOLE PAGE.

BUT THANK YOU, ANGELIKA.

OK ANYBODY ELSE, HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ANGELIKA MR.? I DID HAVE A QUICK INQUIRY, IF I MAY.

THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO JUST KIND OF BRING IT BACK FOR JUST A MOMENT TO MR. FILIBERTO, PREVIOUS POINT WITH THE AND THE EXPLANATION THAT YOU HAD, THAT IT'S GOING TO BE PART OF YOUR ACCOUNTING CODE OR PROCESS POLICY TO SET SOME ASIDE EVERY YEAR, SET SOME ASIDE. BUT TO THAT END, EVEN IN THE ABSENCE OF A POLICY FOR THE PAST COUPLE TO A FEW FISCAL YEARS, YOU GUYS HAVE HAD THE ABILITY TO SET SOME ASIDE.

RIGHT. SO WE DO AS WE STAND RIGHT NOW, HAVE A COUPLE MILLION DOLLARS OF DIFFERENCE.

I HAVE THE NUMBERS. HOLD ON.

THANK YOU. OK, SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, THE GENERAL FUND IS REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN A 10 PERCENT MINIMUM FUND BALANCE.

SO AS OF FISCAL YEAR 2020, CLOSE OUT, BECAUSE USUALLY WHAT I HAVE TO DO, I CAN'T TAKE THIS FISCAL YEAR INTO CONSIDERATION.

SO I WAIT UNTIL OUR CERTIFIED ANNUAL FINANCIAL REPORT IS PUBLISHED.

SO AS OF THE 20 20 CLOSEOUTS OF SEPTEMBER 30TH OF LAST YEAR, OUR TOTAL FUND BALANCE IS THIRTY SIX POINT THREE ONE PERCENT, WHERE UNDESIGNATED IS THIRTY POINT FOUR PERCENT.

SO WHAT UNDESIGNATED MEANS IS, IS THAT A LOT OF THAT FUND BALANCE THAT SITS IN THAT POT, SOME OF IT IS DESIGNATED FOR [INAUDIBLE], JUST LIKE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THE EMERGENCY FUND. SO WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS NEXT YEAR, IT SAYS THAT YOU WILL SEE A TOTAL FUND BALANCE AND YOU'LL HAVE AN UNDESIGNATED AND THEN IT'LL BE BROKEN DOWN INTO.

THIS AMOUNT IS DESIGNATED FOR THIS PURPOSE.

THIS AMOUNT IS DESIGNATED FOR THAT PURPOSE.

SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT IT DOES.

IT'S NOT ITS OWN FUND.

BUT WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT THROUGHOUT THE FISCAL YEAR WHEN DEPARTMENTS WANT TO UTILIZE FUND BALANCE FOR PURCHASES BECAUSE THERE ARE SAVINGS, I MEAN, EVERY YEAR YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE REVENUE, LESS EXPENDITURES.

SO THOSE SAVINGS ARE.

YOU CAN UTILIZE THOSE FOR NEEDS THAT DEPARTMENTS HAVE.

SO FROM MY END, I JUST HAVE TO ENSURE THAT WE DO NOT GO THAT UNDESIGNATED BELOW THAT PERCENTAGE. SO THAT AMOUNT IS ESSENTIALLY JUST SET ASIDE.

IT'S NOT OFFICIALLY REPORTED IN A FUND, BUT FROM AN ACCOUNTING PURPOSE, WE DISCLOSE IT THAT IT'S ESSENTIALLY RESTRICTED AND UNTOUCHABLE AND IT CAN ONLY BE USED FOR THAT SPECIFIC PURPOSE.

BUT WE DO, YES.

THAT WE'VE HAD WE'VE GROWN OUR FUND BALANCE SIGNIFICANTLY OVER THE PREVIOUS FISCAL YEARS.

RIGHT. I DO THE SAME THING WITH MY PERSONAL CHECKBOOK.

RIGHT. I HAVE A LITTLE CHUNK THERE AND I JUST IGNORE IT.

I PRETEND IT'S NOT THERE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF SOMETHING BOTTOM FALLS OUT, WE HAVE SOMETHING. AND NOW YOU PUT A PERCENTAGE TO THAT FOR THE LAST YEAR.

BUT WHAT ARE THE DOLLARS, 36 PERCENT OR SOMETHING? THIRTY ONE PERCENT OF THE OTHER.

HOW MANY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IS THAT? SO LET'S SEE OUR TOTAL FUND BALANCE FOR CLOSING OUT FOR 2020 IS TWENTY FOUR POINT FIVE MILLION DOLLARS THEN COMMITTED IN ASSIGNED FUND.

SO THAT'S THE STUFF THAT'S BEEN SET ASIDE IS FOUR MILLION THAT USUALLY IS FOR DESIGNATED FOR ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE PURCHASED.

BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES AN ENVIRONMENT IN A CITY ENVIRONMENT, YOU ASKED TO PURCHASE SOMETHING YOU PUT IN A PURCHASE ORDER AND IT DOESN'T COME UNTIL SIX MONTHS LATER.

SO THOSE THOSE DOLLARS ARE SET ASIDE.

AND THEN OUR UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCES ABOUT TWENTY POINT FIVE MILLION.

SO IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN USUALLY OUR 10 PERCENT.

I CALCULATE THAT IN OUR OPERATING BUDGET AND OUR OPERATING BUDGET, BECAUSE I DON'T LOOK AT CAPITAL OR A DEBT IS USUALLY AROUND 70 MILLION.

SO IT'S USUALLY AROUND SEVEN MILLION IS THAT 10 PERCENT MARK THAT I TRY TO MAINTAIN FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

WHAT IS CLEAR, 2019, WAS I DON'T HAVE THE PERCENTAGE, I ONLY HAVE THE DOLLAR AMOUNT, SO TOTAL FUND BALANCE IN 19 WAS ALMOST NINETEEN POINT ONE MILLION.

THE COMMITTED AND ASSIGNED FUNDS WAS ONE POINT FIVE IN THE UNASSIGNED FUND, BALANCE WAS SEVENTEEN POINT SIX.

SO AS YOU SEE, THERE IS ROUGHLY AN INCREASE IF YOU'RE JUST LOOKING AT TOTAL FUND BALANCE OF ROUGHLY ABOUT FIVE MILLION DOLLARS AND UNASSIGNED.

SO THINGS THAT YOU CAN UTILIZE, THERE WAS AN INCREASE OF APPROXIMATELY THREE MILLION DOLLARS AND THAT'S JUST SAVINGS.

REVENUES ARE HIGHER THAN EXPENDITURES OR DEPARTMENTS ARE ESSENTIALLY USING LESS OF THEIR BUDGET AND THEY'RE JUST BECOMING MORE FRUGAL OR CREATIVE WITH THEIR WITH THEIR SPENDING.

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HERE'S. AND.

AS. SO, YES, SO GENERALLY MY RULE IS, IS I WILL NOT BALANCE A BUDGET WITH FUND BALANCE, SO.

I LEGALLY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE TO BALANCE YOUR FUNDS OR YOUR REVENUES HAVE TO EQUAL YOUR EXPENDITURES JUST FROM THE WORK THAT I'VE DONE HERE, THAT IS FOR THE GENERAL FUND, NOT SOMETHING THAT THAT I OR, YOU KNOW, THE DISCUSSIONS THAT I'VE HAD LIKE TO DO.

IT COMES UP FREQUENTLY.

A LOT OF WRITING BOARDS OR AGENCIES ASK, YOU KNOW, HAVE YOU UTILIZED FUND BALANCE? SO GENERALLY OUR BUDGET THAT WE ADOPT, YOU WILL NOT SEE FUND BALANCE UTILIZED TO ACTUALLY BALANCE THE FUND THROUGHOUT THE FISCAL YEAR? WE DO THAT. SO IF THERE IS CASH AVAILABLE THAT IS AVAILABLE TO BE USED FOR ITEMS, THEN WE DO ALLOW DEPARTMENTS TO REQUEST THOSE THROUGH COUNCIL AGENDAS.

AND THEN I PREPARE BUDGET AMENDMENTS QUARTERLY AND THEN I DO ONE IN NOVEMBER FOR AN ANNUAL YEAR CLOSE OUT SO THAT JUST, YOU KNOW, IT DEPENDS.

SO THAT ALL GOES THROUGH A PROCESS OF DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY MANAGER, THEIR REVIEW TO VARIOUS LEVELS, INCLUDING THE FINANCE STAFF, AND THEN THEY ULTIMATELY GO TO CITY COUNCIL AND IT'S UP TO THEM WHETHER THEY WANT TO IMPROVE, APPROVE UTILIZATION OF FUND BALANCE OR NOT. BUT, YES, THE THE FUNDING IS THERE NOW.

WE DO MONITOR IT.

AND I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, JUST LIKE ANYBODY, WE DO WANT TO HAVE A HEALTHY FUND BALANCE, NOT TOO HEALTHY. THAT'S WHY WE'RE OPTING OR WE PUT IT IN THE POLICY TO SET ASIDE THOSE DOLLARS FOR THOSE EMERGENCY TYPES OF ISSUES.

BUT, YES, THAT THAT DOES OCCUR.

OK, JUST BEFORE WE LET YOU SAID.

ARE WE ON A TRAJECTORY THIS YEAR TO HAVE A HIGHER NET LEFT OVER UNASSIGNED BALANCE WHEN THIS FISCAL YEAR ENDS? SO FROM 19 TO 20, ALL AT THREE MILLION FROM TWENTY TO TWENTY ONE, [INAUDIBLE] MILLIONS? I THINK IT WOULD BE CLOSE, I KNOW PRELIMINARILY WE DID SOME YEAR END ESTIMATES AND I'M KIND OF UPDATING THEM AS WE GO, I, I THINK IT WILL BE A TIGHT YEAR.

I THINK IT WILL BE.

I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT WILL HAVE A LOT LEFT OVER SOMETIMES EVEN WHEN WE DO OUR YEAR AND ESTIMATES OF SIX MONTHS IN.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ALWAYS REALISTIC BECAUSE THE CITY JUST WENT TO REALLY FULL REOPENING TO JULY FIRST AND WE HAVE SUMMER CAMP STARTING.

SO, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S MORE REVENUE, I THINK, COMING IN THE REMAINDER OF THE FISCAL YEAR THAN WHAT WE REALLY THOUGHT WHEN WE FIRST DID YEAR END ESTIMATE'S SO.

I WANT TO SAY MAYBE A LITTLE BIT TOO EARLY TO TELL, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, SO AND WHEN I DO MY YEAR ESTIMATES FOR THE BUDGET, THEY'RE DONE LITERALLY SIX, YOU KNOW, FOUR OR FIVE OR SIX MONTHS. AND I TRY TO TWEAK THEM A LITTLE BIT AS I GET TO THE PROPOSED.

BUT WE REALLY HAVE TO KIND OF WAIT UNTIL ACTUALS COME OUT.

I DO A PROPOSED BUDGET.

I MEAN, I DO A BUDGET MONITORING REPORT QUARTERLY.

AND WITH THE JUNE CLOSE OUT, THAT'S ABOUT TO HAPPEN.

I'M DUE FOR MY NEXT QUARTERLY REPORT.

AND THAT MAY BE SOMETHING TO LOOK AT BECAUSE I DO REPORT ACTUAL VERSUS WHAT'S WHAT'S BUDGETED. SO SOMETIMES WHEN I LOOK AT YEAR END ESTIMATES THERE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ESTIMATE VARIOUS DIFFERENT WAYS.

YOU HAVE INDIVIDUALS THAT LEAVE THE CITY NOW.

YOU HAVE SALARY SAVINGS THAT YOU DIDN'T ANTICIPATE TWO MONTHS AGO.

SO THE THE PROPOSAL OR THE BUDGET MONITORING REPORT THAT I'M HOPING TO GET OUT, I WANT TO SAY IT'S SOMETIME IN AUGUST.

I HAVE TO WAIT FOR ACCOUNTING TO CLOSE OUT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA OF WHERE WE'RE KIND OF AT IN THE MONTH OF JUNE BECAUSE WE'LL LOOK AT ACTUALS ON BOTH THE REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE SIDE. THANK YOU.

AND JUST A QUICK FOLLOW UP, SO ESSENTIALLY WE CAN SAFELY ASSUME THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE. OVERSTRETCHED WILL HAVE SOME CHANGE LEFT OVER, WE JUST DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THAT CHANGE IS GOING TO ADD. I'M HOPING YES.

OK, THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

AND I WANT TO REITERATE, I LOVE THE FACT THAT YOU SAID ANY MILLIONS AT THE END OF IT, SOME CHANGE. I LIKE THAT IT'S ALL RELATIVE.

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COME BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT BILLIONS IN MY LINE OF WORK, LIKE IT'S CASUAL AND I'M LIKE, HOW ARE YOU GUYS JUST CASUALLY TALKING ABOUT ONE POINT ONE? THAT'S A BILLION DOLLARS.

EXACTLY. EXACTLY.

WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANY OF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY TIDBITS, THINGS YOU WANT TO ADD ABOUT THIS WHOLE MILLAGE CONCEPT? MR. MR., YOU MAY KNOW THAT STAFF WILL IS UP, BUT THE MILLAGE WAS DROPPED RECENTLY.

IS THAT CORRECT? FROM LAST YEAR OR TWO YEARS AGO? THE PAST, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THE PAST TWO YEARS, THEY HAVE ELECTED TO GO WITH THE THREE PERCENT CAP AND PRIOR TO THAT, THE TWO YEARS THEY WENT WITH EXCEEDING THE CAP, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I BELIEVE YOU ARE CORRECT, SO THIS YEAR WE'RE AT SEVEN POINT EIGHT THREE SEVEN EIGHT, WHICH IS THE THREE PERCENT CAP FISCAL YEAR 20, WE HAD THE THREE PERCENT CAP, MEANING THAT IT WAS LOWERED BECAUSE YOUR THREE PERCENT CAP, IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE LOWER. AND I BELIEVE THE TWO YEARS PRIOR WE WERE AT EIGHT POINT 45, WHICH EXCEEDED THE CAP.

AND I THINK IT WAS IT WAS REMAIN THE SAME.

BUT FISCAL YEAR 21 IN FISCAL YEAR TWENTY FOR SURE, OUR THREE PERCENT CAP RATES, WHICH MEANS THEY ARE THEY ARE LOWERED.

SO IN THIS FISCAL YEAR, TWENTY TWO PROPOSED WILL BE ALSO LOWER THAN THIS FISCAL YEAR.

SO. ALL RIGHT.

MAKE YOU SIT DOWN AND COME BACK. THAT'S OK.

I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT, OK.

ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS REGARDING THIS, AND I KNOW I'VE SAID I HAD A SHEET, BUT I'VE LET YOU GUYS I'M IN AS WELL.

IF YOU WANT ME TO GO, I CAN GO AHEAD AND GO, I'VE GOT A FEW COMMENTS, OBVIOUSLY.

ALL RIGHT, GO AHEAD.

STAY WITH US, IF YOU MAY, IF YOU'RE SO.

SEVEN POINT EIGHT SEVEN THREE SEVEN EIGHT.

IT WASN'T BAD, WE'VE BEEN DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE HERE.

THE BOARD HAS, I SHOULD SAY, I KNOW I'M A NEW MEMBER OF THIS BOARD HERE, BUT I THINK PALM BAY HAS SOME CATCHING UP TO DO WHEN IT COMES TO INFRASTRUCTURE AND SOME OF THE PRIORITIES WE HAVE HERE IN OUR CITY.

SO MY RECOMMENDATION, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST ME IS NOT A BOARD OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT FOR DISCUSSION WILL BE TO KEEP THE MILLAGE AT THE SAME SO THAT WE CAN CATCH UP AND WE'RE NOT IN A HOLE AND BE PROACTIVE INSTEAD OF REACT SO.

AND ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT JUST A CASE OF A HURRICANE OR WHATEVER IT COMES HERE, THAT DOES WORRY ME, FLORIDA IS DUE FOR A STORM.

WE'RE ALREADY IN [INAUDIBLE], JUST PASSED BY LAST YEAR.

THEY WENT TO ZEDA OR SOMETHING.

YOU KNOW, A STORM, A STORM IS DUE OR A NATURAL DISASTER.

SO THAT'S DURING TWENTY, TWENTY, TWENTY, NINETEEN.

I WAS HERE AT COUNCIL CHAMBERS.

I WAS PUSHING FOR THAT EMERGENCY FUND BETWEEN THREE TO FIVE PERCENT.

SO I'M HAPPY. I'M VERY DELIGHTED THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING THAT.

THANK YOU. BUT THOSE ARE JUST MY TWO CENTS.

ANYONE ELSE CAN CHIME IN BEFORE I GO ON MY LITANY OF THINGS.

ALL RIGHT, MAN, WELL, AS STATED PREVIOUSLY, THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, WE'VE GONE WITH THE THREE PERCENT CAP AND WE KNOW WE'VE BEEN EXPLAINED, WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS TO WHAT EXACTLY THAT MEANS TO GO.

ANYTHING HIGHER THAN THAT DOES REQUIRE A SUPERMAJORITY VOTE BY THE COUNCIL.

AND IT HAS TO BE DEFINED AS AN EMERGENCY SITUATION.

EVEN THE COUNCIL MEMBERS DISCUSSED HOW I'M SURE LEGAL WILL HAVE THE CORRECT ANSWERS, WHETHER IT CAN OR CANNOT BE THE PANDEMIC BE DISCUSSED AS AN EMERGENCY SITUATION COULD CONSTITUTE THAT OR NOT.

THAT'S STILL SOMETHING THAT'S DEBATABLE, WHICH THE LEGAL TEAM WILL HAVE TO DETERMINE THAT. HERE'S SOME THOUGHTS I HAD WHEN I WAS SITTING THERE LISTENING TO THE WORKSHOP, LISTENING TO OUR COUNCILMAN DISCUSS THAT THIS THIS ONE WANTS TO SEE THIS.

THIS ONE WANTS TO SEE THIS PURCHASE.

THIS ONE WANTS TO SEE THIS AND THIS PURCHASE LIKE, MY GOODNESS, GUYS, YOU WANT TO TALK TO THEM. YOU ALL WANT TO PURCHASE ALL THIS STUFF.

CHECKBOOK'S DRY. AND WE HAVE A PROBLEM THERE, THERE'S A PROBLEM THERE, SO WE GOT TO FIGURE OUT SOMETHING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO IN.

THEN I PUT MY REAL REALTOR HAT ON BECAUSE I'M ALSO A LICENSED REAL ESTATE AGENT.

WE HAVE THE MOST LAND IN THIS COUNTY TO DEVELOP.

PEOPLE ARE MOVING HERE AT A HIGH RATE, IT IS CRAZY HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE MOVING HERE.

WE HAVE SOME OF THE BEST PRICE POINTS IN THIS COUNTY AND BUILDERS CANNOT KEEP UP.

I'VE ACTUALLY IN THE PAST TWO DAYS, I'VE REACHED OUT TO MULTIPLE BUILDERS AS SEVERAL REPRESENTATIVES THAT WORK FOR THOSE BUILDERS ARE FRIENDS OF MINE.

THEY CANNOT KEEP THEIR INVENTORY.

AS OF ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO, MULTIPLE BUILDERS HAVE SET LIMITS ON THEIR SALES MONTHLY I BECAUSE, ONE, THEY WANT TO PROMISE THAT THEY CAN FOLLOW THROUGH ON THEIR GUARANTEES OF TIME FRAMES. AND TWO, THEY WANT TO MAINTAIN THE QUALITY.

SO I RESPECT THEM FOR THAT.

AND NOT JUST TRYING TO KEEP, SELL, SELL, SELL, SELL, SELL.

SO THEY'VE SET LIMITS.

SPEAKING OF ONE PARTICULAR BUILDER, THEY HAVE WITHIN THE NEXT TWO YEARS PLANNED

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THIS IS ONE BUILDER.

ONE BUILDER WITHIN THE NEXT TWO YEARS SAYS THEY'RE GOING TO FINISH 2000 ROOFTOPS AND PLANNED COMMUNITIES.

WHEN YOU ADD IN OTHER BUILDERS AND SCATTER LOTS, WE'RE TALKING EASILY MORE THAN 4000 HOMES BEING BUILT, NOT PEOPLE MOVING OUT AND PEOPLE MOVING IN.

THIS IS NEW PEOPLE, NEW RESIDENTS TO ADD ON OUR POPULATION OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY NUMBERS. AND I'M JUST GOING TO TAKE AN AVERAGE OF THREE PERSON HOUSEHOLD, WE ALL KNOW THERE'S FIVE BEDROOM HOMES THERE AND THERE'S DOWN TO THREE BEDROOM HOMES THERE IN SOME TWO BEDROOM CONDOS THAT ARE GOING TO BE BUILT.

BUT I'M TAKING AN AVERAGE OF THREE PEOPLE.

THAT'S 12000 RESIDENTS JUST IN THIS, THREE BUILDERS ALONE AS A MINIMUM OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS, 6000 RESIDENTS TO OUR POPULATION EACH YEAR ON AVERAGING.

THAT'S WELL BEYOND A THREE PERCENT INCREASE IN THAT POPULATION.

WE EXPECT TO COVER THEM.

WITH A THREE PERCENT CAP, SO HOW DO WE EXPECT TO PROVIDE THESE SERVICES WHEN OUR POPULATION IN NEED IS GROWING BEYOND OUR INCREASE IN REVENUE? IS MY MY BIG CONCERN HERE.

NOW, THE ARGUMENT AGAINST THIS IS, SURE, WE'VE JUST INCREASED THAT OUR IMPACT FUNDS THIS YEAR. AND I'VE HEARD THAT AND I WANT TO STRESS IMPACT FUNDS ARE DESIGNATED TO THE AREA IN WHICH THEY ARE IMPACTING.

AND TO THAT CRITERIA, IMPACT FUNDS, POLICE, FIRE PARKS AND REC PARK AND RECREATION.

THEY HAVE TO SERVE THOSE COMMUNITIES AND SERVE THAT DESIGNATED REASON.

SECONDLY, IT'S A ONE TIME PAYMENT.

IT'S NOT RECURRING, AND FORGIVE ME IF I'M SPEAKING TO CHOIR ON ANY OF THESE THINGS THAT I'M BRINGING UP, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE I COVER EVERYTHING I HAVE WRITTEN OUT.

SO THAT'S NOT A RECURRING FUND.

SO, YES, WHILE IT HELPS THE START OF THAT COMMUNITY, HELPED THE START OF THAT CONSTRUCTION OF THAT HOME, IT DOESN'T HELP RECURRING ANNUAL BUDGETS.

SO WHEN I'VE SPOKEN WITH CITIZENS AND I EXPLAINED THIS SITUATION AND I ASK, WHAT DO YOU WANT? DO YOU WANT THE THREE PERCENT CAP OR DO YOU WANT TO KEEP OUR TAXES THE WAY THEY ARE? THAT YOU CAN ALL BET THEY ALL SAY THEY'D BETTER STICK TO THAT CAP.

I'VE HEARD THAT HOW MANY TIMES? THEN I HAVE A SIT DOWN CONVERSATION THAT OPENS THE DOOR FOR ME TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEM. AND BY THE END OF IT, THEY'RE SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT, IF IT MEANS ONE POINT TWO, ONE PLUS TO THE CITY, KEEP IT THE SAME AND WE GOT TO CATCH UP FOR THE CITY.

WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE PROVIDING FOR THE CITY.

I WOULD SAY 99 PERCENT OF THE CONVERSATION I HAVE.

THAT'S THE OUTCOME. THAT TELLS ME ONE THING, EDUCATION IS THE KEY THERE.

WE'VE GOT TO EXPLAIN HOW THIS WORKS EXACTLY AND NOT JUST SAY WE WANT LOWER TAXES, WE ALL WANT LOWER TAXES. GIVE ME A BREAK.

WE ALL WANT THAT. WE GOT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE LIVING WITH THE SERVICES THAT WE WANT TO LIVE WITH IN THE CITY THAT WE LIVE IN.

THE FIRST SACRIFICING THAT I MEAN, AND I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO WORK AND DO MAKING CHANGES, THE CALL CENTER REPRESENTATIVES THERE WITH FIRE.

I MEAN, I REMEMBER LAST YEAR SITTING ON THIS BOARD AND THE FIRE CHIEF BEING UP THERE TELLING US THAT THE PRESENTATION I THINK I NOTED IT WHEN THEY PRESENTED THIS YEAR AS WELL. I REMEMBER HEARING THE AVERAGE RATE WAS IN THE DOUBLE DIGIT MINUTES OF RESPONSE.

THAT ALONE DRIVES ME NUTS.

THAT'S THAT'S CRAZY, THAT'S CRAZY TALK.

WE'RE NOT PROVIDING THAT BASIC NEED IN A MATTER OF MINUTES.

I MEAN, WE'RE STRUGGLING HERE.

STRUGGLING AND I KNOW THIS HIT CLOSE TO HOME TWO NIGHTS AGO WHEN A CLOSE FRIEND OF MINE LOST HIS FATHER. HE SAID HE WAS DOING CPR ON HIS OWN FATHER FOR ABOUT SEVEN OR EIGHT MINUTES BEFORE SOMEONE ARRIVED.

THAT'S CRAZY. WE GOT TO GET THAT TIMES BETTER, AND I KNOW IT ALL COSTS MONEY AND THAT'S WHAT IT COMES BACK TO. IT COSTS MONEY FOR THE SERVICES WE WANT AND THAT WE EXPECT AS A CITY, IT COSTS MONEY.

SO THE KEY IS EDUCATION.

WE JUST DISCUSSED THE DIFFERENCE THAT I TALKED ABOUT, WHAT OUR TAXPAYERS ULTIMATELY CAN LOOK LIKE FOR THE MOST FOR THE AVERAGE PERSON IN PALM BAY, WE'RE TALKING TWO DOLLARS AND 50 CENTS A MONTH DIFFERENCE.

KEEP THE SAME RATE THAT'S GOING TO SAVE IT, SAVE THE CITY.

ONE POINT TWO MILLION DOLLARS, THAT MEANS A LOT WHEN WE'RE TALKING, CATCHING UP.

SO WE'RE DIGGING CONTINUALLY, IN MY OPINION, BECAUSE SEVERAL HE'S REQUESTED, I STRESS TO YOU GUYS THAT WE'VE HEARD OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, I'VE HEARD THE SAME REQUEST FOR MULTIPLE YEARS. SPECIFICALLY, AND I KNOW IT'S PASSIONATE TO YOU, MR. [INAUDIBLE] THE IT STUFF, I'VE HEARD THOSE REQUESTS FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW.

I MEAN, IT'S SAD.

IT'S SAD THAT THESE REQUESTS KEEP COMING BACK AND WHAT IS THE WHAT'S THE REASON THE FUNDING IS JUST NOT THERE? MONEY DOESN'T EXIST THERE, AND I KNOW WHEN IT'S SOMETHING THAT I'VE ALWAYS PERSONALLY

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BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, AND I'VE TALKED TO COUNCIL MEMBERS, THEY DON'T WANT IT DONE BECAUSE ONCE THEY FIND THAT OUT, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ANSWER TO SOME SHORTFALLS.

THAT'S ANOTHER, FORGIVE ME, DAMNING IMPACT THAT WE FACE THERE.

I MEAN, ALL THESE THINGS ADD UP TO MAJOR SHORTFALLS.

AND THEN MY LAST STATEMENT THAT I HAVE HERE IS WE ALL HAVE OUR HOUSEHOLD, WE'VE GOT TO MAINTAIN WHAT WE DO AS ADULTS, OUR HOUSEHOLD, OUR LIVELIHOOD.

I ASK YOU, WHAT IF YOUR BILLS ALL INCREASED BY 10 PERCENT, YOUR EMPLOYER ONLY GAVE YOU A THREE PERCENT RAISE? YOU DO? AND I JUST TRYING TO GIVE YOU THAT ANALOGY.

I MEAN, IN SOME OTHER WAY TO GET SOME INCOME.

GOT TO AFFORD LIVING, OTHERWISE, WE KEEP MAKING SACRIFICE FOR WHAT WE EXPECT.

SO I GUESS A HUSH AND AS FOR SOME RESPONSE, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY INPUT ON THE THINGS I JUST BROUGHT UP OR MENTIONED.

I WANT TO STRESS THIS DOESN'T MEAN I'M JUST TRYING TO THOSE ARE MY PERSONAL FEELING.

IF YOU SUPPORT THAT, I APPRECIATE THAT, I DEFINITELY WANT THIS IS A BOARD WHEN WE LEAVE THIS ROOM, I CAN'T STRESS ENOUGH.

I SAID IT BEFORE, THIS IS WHAT THE BOARD SAID.

IT'S NOT WHAT [INAUDIBLE] SAID.

IT'S NOT WHAT ANY ONE OF YOU SAID.

IT'S WHAT THE BOARD SAID. WE LEAVE THIS ROOM AND I'VE ALWAYS SAID THAT.

AND ANYTHING I SAID ON. THAT'S WHERE I WANT THE STANCE TO BE AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT WHEN WE LEAVE HERE.

ISSUES THAT YOU BROUGHT UP IS THAT CITIZENS AREN'T EDUCATED ON DON'T THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MONEY IS GOING AND WHAT IT MEANS TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, TO THE POLICE, TO THE IT.

AND TO YOUR POINT, WE NEED TO EDUCATE.

REASONS BEHIND.

GREAT. I'M JUST JUST GOING OFF WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, CHAIR SORRY.

I'M WITH STAYING AT THE MILLAGE, AS IS RIGHT NOW.

YOU SAID I SAID IT PALM BAY NEEDS TO CATCH UP HERE.

WE HAVE VEHICLES THAT ARE BEYOND THEIR LIFE EXPECTANCY.

YOU KNOW, JUST GO WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, FOR EXAMPLE.

IF THEIR VEHICLE IS BEYOND LIFE EXPECTANCY, THEIR LIFE IS IN DANGER.

THERE'S A TRAFFIC STOP OR AN EMERGENCY SITUATION.

RESPONSE TIME SHOULD NOT BE.

EIGHT, NINE MINUTES, IT SHOULD BE UNDER FIVE MINUTES.

I WAS IN A TOWN THAT A RESPONSE TIME WAS TWO MINUTES.

SO IT WAS A SMALL TOWN, THOUGH.

BUT EITHER WAY , I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU AND PALM BAY HAS TO CATCH UP.

AND I THINK THAT THE CITIZENS WILL BE OK IF THERE IS NO CHANGE.

THERE'S NO CHANGE HERE. MILLAGE STAYS THE SAME.

I'M FINE WITH IT AS A RESIDENT OF PALM BAY, NO INCREASE OR DECREASE.

LET'S KEEP IT AS IS. IT'S UP FROM MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU.

THIS IS REALLY TOUGH FOR ME, SIR.

I'M GOING TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.

I YOU KNOW, I'M OBSERVING WHAT'S GOING ON IN OUR BEAUTIFUL CITY RIGHT NOW.

AND WE'RE HOLDING NOTHING SHORT OF A POLITICAL FOOTBALL HERE WITH THIS MILLAGE, WHAT'S TRANSPIRING WITH OUR COUNCIL AND THE DYNAMIC OF IT IS.

TIMING LEAVES A LOT TO BE DESIRED, TO SAY THE LEAST, AND I HONESTLY, I'M VERY CONFLICTED PERSONALLY AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PLENTY OF THINGS THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN.

I'M ALSO A VERY REALISTIC PERSON.

SO I START TO THINK ABOUT WHAT DO I THINK IS ACTUALLY AM I GOING TO SEE HAPPEN? AND UNTIL SO LONG AGO, I THOUGHT I HAD THOSE ANSWERS.

I THOUGHT I LEFT A BUDGET WORKSHOP WITH KNOWING EXACTLY WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN.

AND THEN THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, I THOUGHT I KNEW IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN SUBSEQUENTLY.

AND NOW, AS WE'VE ALL ALLUDED TO, THIS THURSDAY IS A BIG DAY AND WE'RE GOING TO SEE HOW THE DYNAMIC OF OUR COUNCIL IS GOING TO CHANGE.

BUT NO MATTER WHAT, WHAT I KNOW AND UNDERSTAND IS THAT THE CITIZENS PALM BAY WANT TO BE HEARD. AND, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE SOME OF THE MORE ACTIVE CITIZENS IN OUR COMMUNITY AS WE TAKE THE TIME TO TO SIT HERE ON THE DAIS AND LEAVE OUR FAMILIES FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS EVERY MONTH TO TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS.

BUT TO YOUR POINT ABOUT EDUCATING THE CITIZENRY, I THINK THAT.

EDUCATION IS IMPORTANT AND I'M AN ADVOCATE FOR IT, BUT AT THE SAME RATE, I DON'T WANT TO

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SO I HAVE A LOT OF TROUBLE WITH THE THREE PERCENT CAP IN THAT.

THE VOTERS VOTED FOR IT, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WENT TO A BALLOT AND WAS VOTED ON, AND IRONICALLY ENOUGH, IN THE FIRST COUPLE OF YEARS OF ITS EXISTENCE, IT WAS OVERRIDDEN.

SO THEY DIDN'T EVEN EXERCISE WHAT THEY WHAT THEY VOTED ON.

BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, IN SUBSEQUENT YEARS IT WAS EXERCISED AND THAT IS WHAT THEY VOTED ON.

AND THE ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT THEY VOTED INTO OFFICE KEPT WHAT THEY EXPRESSED WAS THEIR DESIRE. SO I THINK THAT ALTHOUGH WE AS A BOARD AND SOME OF THE FOLKS THAT THAT WE TAKE THE TIME TO TO DIALOG WITH THE STUFF ABOUT OR EDUCATE ON THE ISSUE AND THAT EDUCATION IN AND OF ITSELF DEFINITELY SWAYS OUR OPINION IN A CERTAIN DIRECTION.

I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO BE COGNIZANT OF OF THE CITIZENRY THAT WE'RE HOPING TO REPRESENT ON THIS BOARD AND THAT THE COUNCIL IS HOPING TO REPRESENT WHEN THEY SIT ON THE DAIS ON THURSDAY NIGHTS AND.

I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT BREAKING THE CAP, IF WE'RE GOING TO CALL IT THAT FOR CONVERSATION'S SAKE AND RECOMMENDING THAT IN THIS YEAR WITH ALL OF THESE THINGS IS REALLY.

AND IN THIS WAY , I MIGHT ADD, IS REALLY THE BEST WAY TO GET THERE.

I THINK THAT THIS MIGHT BE MORE OF A LONG GAME, BECAUSE TO ALL THE POINTS YOU MADE MR. CHAIR, THEY'RE ALL VALID AND THEY WILL BE VALID FOR YEARS TO COME.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I DON'T THINK THAT WE CAN PLAY THIS KIND OF I DON'T WANT TO USE THE EXPRESSION CAT AND MOUSE, BUT I KIND OF WILL THIS GAME WHERE EVERY YEAR WE IDENTIFY FISCAL NEEDS AND THEN WE SAY, OK, WE KNOW WHAT THE RULE IS, BUT NOW WE'RE GOING TO ASK FOR AN EXCEPTION TO THE RULE.

AND TO GET THAT EXCEPTION TO THE RULE, WE'RE GOING TO ASK FOR A SUPERMAJORITY IF IF IT'S OUR TRUE INCLINATION AS A BOARD AND JUST AS FAR AS PARTICIPATING CITIZENS OF THIS GREAT CITY THAT WE WANT THIS TO GO AWAY AND THAT WE WANT THE CITY STAFF AND ALL OF THEIR DUE DILIGENCE TO HAVE ENOUGH MERIT TO INFLUENCE THE COUNCIL'S OPINION ALONE, LET ALONE ANY SORT OF PRE DETERMINED CONSTRAINTS.

WELL, THEN I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT OVER TIME, WE NEED TO DO OUR PART AND GET BACK ON THE BALLOT AND GET RID OF THIS CAP PERMANENTLY.

OR WE NEED TO IDENTIFY VERY SPECIFICALLY AN EMERGENCY SITUATION THAT WARRANTS US DOING IT NOW. NOW, I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT IN 18 THERE WAS A PRETTY GOOD ACTUALLY, I WAS GOING TO SAY, AND THERE'S A GOOD BLOWN HURRICANE, I'M THINKING OF 17.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REASONS WERE.

IN 18 OR 19, WE HAD GOOD HURRICANE 16 AND 17.

WE HAVEN'T HAD A GOOD ONE SINCE.

BUT IN 18 OR 19, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EMERGENCY REASONS THAT THEY PROPOSED WERE AND THAT WERE ADOPTED. BUT I DO KNOW THAT I PERSONALLY, AS A BOARD MEMBER AND AS A CITIZEN, I'M NOT READY TO ASK MY CITY COUNCIL TO BREAK THIS CAP IF I CAN'T ASK THEM EXACTLY WHY AND TO ASK THEM EXACTLY WHY, I HAVE TO IDENTIFY THE EMERGENCY CIRCUMSTANCE THAT WE FIND OURSELVES IN. AND I, I PERSONALLY AND I'M MORE THAN WILLING TO BE SWAY ED, DO NOT SEE A FISCAL EMERGENCY ON OUR HANDS RIGHT NOW.

I SEE A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT LIKE YOU LIKE YOU GUYS HAVE ALLUDED TO, AND I AGREE WITH THAT.

BUT FROM AN EMERGENCY PERSPECTIVE, WHY WE NEED TO.

DIFFER FROM WHAT HAS BEEN MADE RULE BY THE CITIZENS OF THIS CITY.

IT'S TOUGH FOR ME AND I'M LOOKING FOR THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AS AS A MEMBER OF THIS BOARD AND AND BEING, YOU KNOW, GRANTED WITH THE INFORMATION OF JUST HOW IN NEED OUR DEPARTMENTS ARE OF IMPROVEMENTS AND UNDERSTANDING THAT INFO, OF COURSE, I CAN'T LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS AND SAY, MAN, WHAT DO WE GOT TO DO TO GET THESE FOLKS SOME MORE FUNDS? AND PERSONALLY, COULD I TAKE ON THE 50 BUCKS A YEAR, WHATEVER YOU'RE SAYING? YES. AND I COULD MENTALLY JUSTIFY THAT AS WELL TO MYSELF.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I JUST DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD INSERT OURSELVES WITH SUCH A STRONG HAND WITHOUT A VERY PARTICULAR REASON, AND I'LL END IT AT THAT.

BUT I'M ANY RESPONSES OR TEXTURE OR ADDITIONS I'M MORE THAN OPEN TO BECAUSE I WANT TO I WANT TO PROCESS THROUGH THIS.

BUT I NEED YOUR HELP BOARD MEMBERS.

I NEED YOUR HELP. SO THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. ANYONE ELSE HAVE SOMETHING TO RESPOND WITH.

JUST JUST TO GO OFF WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, I SEE WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, ONE HUNDRED PERCENT. WELL, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TO IT ALMOST SOUNDS LIKE YOU WANT TO BE REACTIVE INSTEAD OF PROACTIVE FOR ME IN THE WAY I JUSTIFY IT.

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BUT WE NEED THOSE FUNDS THERE.

SO I'M TRYING TO TAKE A PROACTIVE APPROACH HERE, JUST LIKE I'M TRYING TO THE CYBERSECURITY THING. WE MAY NOT GET HACKED.

PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. WELL, SMALLER CITIES IN US HAVE, BUT THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO TAKE THE PROACTIVE APPROACH TO IT, AND THAT'S KIND OF MY JUSTIFICATION FOR IT, IF THAT HELPS YOU 100 PERCENT RESPECT YOUR OPINION.

OF COURSE. VERY ELOQUENT.

WELL SAID. SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT UP.

THANK YOU FOR THAT, SORRY, MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND SO IF I'M JUST HEARING YOU CORRECTLY, IF IF SOMEONE WERE TO ASK YOU, WHAT DO YOU THINK YOUR EMERGENCY IS, YOUR ANSWER QUITE DIRECTLY WOULD BE, WELL, WE HAVE AN I.T. EMERGENCY OUT THERE.

WE HAVE PREDATORS THAT ARE COMING FROM MUNICIPALITIES AND WE ARE CLASSIFIED AS AN UNPROTECTED ONE. AM I CORRECT? IN SOME? I WOULD SAY THAT WOULD BE CORRECT.

AND THE SAME THING WITH A HURRICANE ANYWHERE IN FLORIDA, A HURRICANE COULD COME, COULD NOT COME, BUT AT LEAST WE'RE PREPARED FOR IT.

AGAIN, THIS IS ABOUT BEING PROACTIVE INSTEAD OF REACTIVE.

AND I FEEL LIKE THE CITY IN GENERAL HAS BEEN REACTIVE AT TIMES.

I WANT TO I'M TRYING TO GET MORE TO BEING PROACTIVE.

IF NOTHING HAPPENS, THAT'S IN OUR BENEFIT THEN THE MONEY JUST SITS THERE.

WHAT HAVE YOU USE THAT MONEY FOR ELSEWHERE? WHATEVER WE DO WITH IT. THANK YOU FOR THAT.

COUPLE THINGS I'LL ADD TO THE CONVERSATION, SIR.

FIRST OF ALL, I APPRECIATE THE CANDIDNESS AND APPRECIATE ALL OF US BEING RESPECTFUL OF EACH OTHER. THAT'S THAT'S KEY.

WE ALL LEAVE HERE HAPPY AND STILL FRIENDS.

BUT SOMETHING I'LL NOTE MY EMERGENCY ALSO IS THE FACT THAT APPROXIMATELY 30 OR 35 PERCENT OF OUR FLEET IS PAST LIFE EXPECTANCY.

THAT WE ARE AND I'VE HEARD THE PLEA AND I'VE HEARD THE PLEA AT THE WORKSHOP, THE BODY CAMS FOR THE POLICE IS A DIRE NEED.

BUT YET FUNDING IS NOT THERE.

IT'S ALSO MY UNDERSTANDING THAT CURRENTLY ROAD MAINTENANCE IS NOT A LINE ITEM IN THE CURRENT ANTICIPATED BUDGET.

THAT'S ZERO DOLLARS FOR WHAT WE AS A CITY ALSO JUST VOTED TO SPEND 150 MILLION DOLLARS.

BUT NOW WE'RE GOING TO SPEND ZERO DOLLARS TO MAKE SURE IT LASTS.

THIS IS A, AGAIN, MORE CRAZY TALK, I CALL IT.

THESE ARE ALL MY REASONS FOR SAYING EMERGENCY WISE.

YOU KNOW, WE WE HAVE TO START PLANNING.

AND IF THE WAY I SEE IT, WE'VE BEEN GROWING SO MUCH AS A CITY FOR THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS. WE'RE DIGGING A DEEPER GRAVE FINANCIALLY.

AND I HOPE I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE HAD THE CHANCE TO REVIEW THE VIDEO PRESENTATION BY STANTON. DON, I BELIEVE IT IS 2018, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.

WHEN THEY DID THE ORIGINAL PRESENTATION AND THEY SAID, SURE, WE COULD GO WITH THE THREE PERCENT CAP. FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS, GRANTED, WE DID NOT THE FOLLOWING TWO YEARS OR YEAR AFTER THAT, THEY SAID, YEAH, YOU CAN KEEP GOING WITH THAT, BUT IT'S A MATTER OF YEARS TILL THOSE RESERVES ARE GOING TO BE DRIED UP.

AND THE CITY IS GOING TO BE SITTING THERE COUNTING ON EVERYTHING, GETTING NOTHING ADDITIONAL, NO REPLACEMENT VEHICLES, NONE OF THIS, NONE OF THAT.

AND WE'RE, AGAIN, NOT CATCHING UP AS A CITY.

SO SO I LOOK AT THINGS AS WE ARE.

WE'VE BEEN IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION FINANCIALLY EVERY YEAR SINCE THIS CAP HAS BEEN VOTED IN AS WE'RE GROWING EXPONENTIALLY, MUCH MORE AND A THREE PERCENT REVENUE INCREASE.

AND I UNDERSTAND THE FIRST YEAR THINGS AREN'T ON THE TAX ROLL FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION.

I UNDERSTAND COMMERCIAL IS GOING TO HELP OFFSET THAT.

BUT WE'RE STILL WAY BEHIND ON COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT TOO.

INTEL THAT COMES TO PLAY IN, THAT STARTS EQUALIZING THOSE NUMBERS, ALL WE'RE DOING IS DIGGING DEEPER AND DEEPER AND WHAT I'M CALLING THE EMERGENCY IS WHO KNOWS? AND I KNOW I JOKE ABOUT IT WITH POLICE CHIEF MOYA EVERY TIME I SEE HIM ABOUT FRANKENSTEIN CARS WHERE THEY'VE PIECED THEM TOGETHER FROM PREVIOUS CARS.

BUT IT'S A FACT OF THE MATTER.

THAT'S WHAT'S ON OUR ROADS. WE HAVE A COUPLE OF THEM ON OUR ROADS THAT THEY HAVE TO PIECE TOGETHER FROM PREVIOUS VEHICLES.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GIVING OUR POLICE OFFICERS ON A DAILY BASIS TO USE AS A VEHICLE.

SO, AGAIN, I SAY THERE'S MY EMERGENCY NOW.

I UNDERSTAND FOR TECHNICALITY.

AND I HEARD IT AT THE WORKSHOP. THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING THEY DECLARE AS THE EMERGENCY TO WARRANT THIS. AND I'M GOING TO SAY THAT'S ON THEM.

I'M SAYING I WANT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION THEY MAINTAIN THE SAME MILLAGE ON THEM TO DETERMINE THE EMERGENCY DEFINITION OF THAT WITH LEGAL AND WITH FINANCE, BECAUSE THEY THEY HAVE TO JUSTIFY THAT.

SO THAT'S THAT'S MY PLEA.

YOU KNOW, TO YOUR POINT, WHEN WE WERE TALKING TO THE POLICE CHIEF, HE HAD REQUESTED 12, BUT HE ACTUALLY CAME OUT AND SAID THAT 34 WOULD BE BETTER SUITED FOR US.

WE'RE NOW WE WERE RANKED FIFTH IN THE BOTTOMZ OF THE STATE, WERE LAST IN THE COUNTY WHEN IT COMES TO THE POLICE.

AND SO THAT'S ANOTHER EMERGENCY.

WE ONLY ONE POINT THREE PER CAPITA WITH THE.

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THEY'RE GOING TO HELP US TO KEEP OUR CITIZENS SAFE SO THAT MILLAGE AID ALSO NEEDS TO BE.

THOSE, TOO, TO ME, NEED TO SEE SOME SUPPORT FROM A REVENUE, FROM A EXPENDITURE SO THEY CAN HIRE THE STAFF THAT THEY NEED TO BE FULLY STAFFED TO GET THE PATROL CARS UP TO WHERE THEY NEED TO BE, GET THE STAFFING WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE TO TO NOT BE OUTPACED BY THE NUMBER OF CALLS. ALL RIGHT.

AND IF YOU WANT RICH GUYS, SOPAN, IT POSSIBLE I REALLY I FIRST WANT TO SAY THANK.

UM. IT'S DIFFICULT, I COUNCILMAN STRUGGLING.

VOTED ON. ONE YEAR AND IN THE NEXT.

SO THERE'S TWO SIDES TO THAT.

WELL. ORDER.

IN. LOOK.

AND THE MILLAGE WHEN THE THREE PERCENT WAS VOTED IN.

ALL THOSE YEARS THAT WASN'T OBSERVED ARGUMENT OR.

[INAUDIBLE], IS IT? WELL, IT WAS VOTED IN.

MORE COMPELLING.

OH, MAYBE OUR RECOMMENDATION.

OH, THAT WE ARE WELL AWARE AND WANT OR WHAT? AND. AND THAT PART OF OUR RECOMMENDATION.

AS. THE REASON? ANYONE ELSE? MR..

STRICTLY IN THE INTEREST OF HAVING A FULL CONVERSATION.

I FEEL AS THOUGH WE'D BE REMISS IF WE BRING A RECOMMENDATION AND DON'T BRING A JUSTIFICATION. THE REASON I SAY SO.

I KNOW THAT AT THAT TIME THAT WE WOULD PRESENT SOMETHING I FEEL LET ME SAY, I FEEL WE WOULD BE PRESENTED TO A COUNCIL THAT HAS ALREADY INDICATED AND A MAJORITY OR SUPERMAJORITY, WHICHEVER WAY YOU WANT TO LOOK AT IT, THAT THEY WANT TO STAY ON THE CAP.

THEY WANT TO CALL IT LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE.

THEY WANT TO STICK WITH THE PEOPLE'S WORD.

SO TO SWAY THEM FROM THAT, WE WOULD I MEAN, WANT TO BE ABLE TO SUMMARIZE IN SOME WAY ALL OF THE GREAT THINGS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE AND SHARE THAT WITH THEM, TO ENLIGHTEN THEM TO, AS IS BEING PROPOSED, ALL OF THE VALID REASONS TO GO OVER.

I FEEL AS THOUGH WE'D BE REMISS TO SAY, HEY, IT'S OUR PROPOSITION TO GO WITH THIS MILLAGE, KEEP IT THE SAME AND NOT ASSIST WITH THE AMMO, THE INFORMATION, THE SUPPLY THAT THEY NEED TO ACTUALLY CARRY FORWARD IN THAT.

NOW, AT THE SAME RATE, I DON'T WANT THEM LEANING ON US.

I WANT THEIR DECISION TO BE THEIR OWN.

BUT ALSO, IF WE'RE TO BE SERVING IN ADVISORY CAPACITY, I WOULD WANT TO, YOU KNOW, FIGURE OUT A DIRECTION AND THEN ADVISE IN THAT DIRECTION.

YOU KNOW, THE MORE AND MORE GUIDED OUR EFFORTS ARE AND THE MORE AND MORE JUSTIFICATION THAT WE HAVE, BECAUSE REMEMBER, WE ARE CITIZENS.

TALKING TO COUNCIL NOT ONLY WILL BE USEFUL TO US IN OUR ENDEAVORS OF TALKING TO COUNCIL, BUT IN OUR ENDEAVORS IN OUR COMMUNITY AS WE TALK TO CITIZENS AND SHARE WITH THEM THE MOST PRESSING ISSUES. BUT I JUST.

I CAN'T BLANKET SAY WE SHOULD DO THIS BECAUSE WE NEED THE MONEY AND NOT SAY AND WE NEED THE MONEY BECAUSE WHY? BECAUSE IF I SAY TO SOMEONE EXHIBIT A THAT THAT LINE OF WE SHOULD DO THIS, WE NEED MONEY THAT SOMEONE COULD VERY EASILY TELL ME THAT WE'RE SITTING ON 20, 20 MILLION SEE I SAID 20

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WERE WE ABLE TO PUT THAT MUCH MONEY AWAY? THAT SAME SOMEBODY COULD TELL ME THAT WE HAVE 18 MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF RESCUE FUNDS HEADING OUR WAY NOW.

YOU WOULD THINK THAT THOSE RESCUE FUNDS ARE MEANT TO ADDRESS THE EMERGENCY THAT WE ARE IN. THAT IS THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC.

SO. I GOT TO HAVE SOMETHING TO BE ABLE TO TELL THAT PERSON THAT IDENTIFIES THIRTY EIGHT MILLION DOLLARS THAT OBVIOUSLY IS ALL FIGURED OUT AND DESIGNATED IT IS DOUBLE IT'S DOUBLE THE REVENUE. IF WE GO WITH THE FUND, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIRTY NINE POINT ONE MILLION DOLLARS IN QUICK CONVERSATION.

I JUST STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIRTY EIGHT MILLION DOLLARS.

IT'S NOT THAT THIRTY NINE MILLION DOLLARS.

SO I AM BEING LONG, LONG GAME SITE.

AND WHEN I SAY THAT I'M LOOKING FOR A SUSTAINABLE WAY TO GET THESE THINGS DONE, I DON'T WANT TO SEE US LEAN ON THE RESCUE FUNDS.

AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD TELL THAT PERSON.

THAT BRINGS THEM UP BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THOSE.

YOU KNOW, THOSE NEED TO BE AS DIRECT OF A RESCUE AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN.

WE CAN'T SET SOMETHING UP THAT WE EXPECT TO LAST FIVE OR TEN YEARS FROM A FUNDING PERSPECTIVE WITH THOSE WITH THOSE MONIES.

THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE POSSIBLE.

BUT I DO WANT TO SEE THE CITY AS A WHOLE.

AND I GUESS I'LL SAY THE CITY STAFF BE AS CREATIVE AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN.

INTO YOUR PREVIOUS POINT EARLIER, MR. CHAIR, YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED IF IF IT COSTS INCREASE 10 PERCENT AND YOUR EMPLOYER ONLY GIVES YOU A THREE PERCENT RAISE EVERY YEAR, WHAT DO YOU DO? YOU FIND INCOME IS VERY TRUE.

THE NECESSITY BRINGS OUT THE EXCELLENCE IN US.

AND WE FIND INCOME SUBSIDIES AND INTEND TO BRING THAT FROM HOME OWNER, HOUSEHOLD, HEAD OF HOUSEHOLD TO MUNICIPALITY OR THE MUNICIPALITY LOOKS OUT AND GOES AND FINDS GRANTS.

YOU KNOW, JUST USE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AS AN EXAMPLE.

SINCE WE'VE TALKED TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, TOLD THEM HEY FIND AS MANY GRANTS AS POSSIBLE. THEY'RE NOW COMING BACK WITH SO MANY THAT, IRONICALLY ENOUGH, SOME OF THE CITIZENRY IS LIKE, WHY ARE YOU GUYS APPLYING FOR ALL THESE GRANTS? BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING FOR INCOME.

BUT THAT'S THE SITUATION THAT MANY OF OUR CITIZENS ARE IN TO.

OUR CITY EMPLOYEES ARE IN THAT SITUATION.

I MEAN, THE CITY EMPLOYEES AND MY [INAUDIBLE] DO WHATEVER, WHATEVER WE HAVE ENOUGH FOR A RAISE, OK? WE HAVE ENOUGH FOR A RAISE.

WE CAN GIVE YOU A THREE PERCENT RAISE.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY DON'T LIVE IN THE SAME COMMUNITIES AS WE DO.

THAT'S COSTS ARE INCREASING.

BUT THEY ARE ALSO CREATIVELY FIGURING OUT HOW TO ADAPT SUSTAINABLE LIFESTYLES FOR THEIR AND I DON'T WANT TO I DON'T WANT ANYONE'S HOUSEHOLD TO GO UNDER.

I DON'T WANT MY CITY TO GO UNDER, OBVIOUSLY.

BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT TO I DON'T WANT TO USE THIS EXPRESSION, BUT I CAN'T THINK OF A BETTER ONE AT THE TIME. I DON'T WANT TO THROW MONEY ON.

NECESSARILY, YEAH, NOT NOT TACTFULLY, NOT VERY PRECISION, NOT A DESTINATION DESIRED, RIGHT, NEEDED, RIGHT.

AND I THINK, AGAIN, I THINK THAT WE'RE DOING GREAT DUE DILIGENCE HERE AND WE'RE HAVING A LOT OF GOOD CONVERSATION.

AND SUBSEQUENTLY, IT'S OUR INTENT TO ONCE WE HAVE A MILLAGE RATE, COME BACK AND SAY, OK, HOWEVER MUCH MONEY WE'RE DEALING WITH, THIS IS HOW WE THINK YOU SHOULD DIVVY IT UP.

AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT PROCESS, BUT I CAN'T JUST SAY MORE MONEY IS THE ANSWER IS MORE MONEY IS ALWAYS THE ANSWER.

BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS THAT STAND IN THE WAY OF US HAVING MORE MONEY.

AND THE BIGGEST THING THAT STANDS IN OUR WAY IS A WHAT WAS IT PRESENTED AS ON THE BALLOT REFERENDUM. RIGHT. AND NOW IT'S A IT'S A CITY ORDINANCE.

SO WE HAVE WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT THAT HOLDS US AGAINST THAT.

SO WE HAVE A LOT OF DUE DILIGENCE.

BUT, A, I'M TRYING TO DETERMINE HOW THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM HERE, THE PREPONDERANCE OF THE EVIDENCE. THE POINT IS THE ONUS IS ON US.

WE HAVE TO PROVE TO THE PEOPLE WE NEED TO DO THIS.

AND THIS IS WHY WE HAVE TO PROVE IT TO THE COUNCIL.

THE COUNCIL HAS TO PROVE TO THE PEOPLE.

THANK YOU, MR.. ANGELIKA, IF I COULD ASK YOU A QUESTION OR TWO, FISCAL YEAR 2021, WHAT WAS OUR.

ANTICIPATED REVENUES FOR THAT YEAR, AD VALOREM.

I KNOW I'M LOOKING BACK HERE, I'M SORRY.

SO FOR THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR, YES, SO WHAT I HAVE IS I DON'T HAVE MY ACTUAL AD VALOREM BREAKDOWN, I DO HAVE PROPERTY TAXES, WHICH INCLUDES OUT OF A SOME DELINQUENT ACCOUNTS.

SO THAT'S COMBINED.

SO OUR ADOPTED BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR TWENTY TWENTY ONE OF PROPERTY TAXES IS ROUGHLY ABOUT THIRTY FIVE POINT FOUR MILLION DOLLARS OR SO AT THIRTY FIVE POINT FOUR.

AND THEN WHEN WE INCORPORATE OR INCLUDE WOULD BE A MORE APPROPRIATE TERM, THE THREE

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IF WE STAY ON THREE PERCENT CAP, IS THAT CORRECT, GO GOING TO THIRTY SEVEN POINT NINE ACTUALLY, SO I WOULD HAVE TO PULL I MAY SEE A MINIMUM AT FISCAL YEAR PROPOSED.

SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT.

YES. AT THE THREE PERCENT CAP RATE.

YEAH. SO WE'LL GO TO THIRTY SEVEN POINT NINE.

SO YOU'LL MOVE ROUGHLY FROM ABOUT THIRTY FIVE POINT FOUR TO THIRTY SEVEN POINT NINE.

SO AT TWO POINT FIVE THERE WITH WHAT'S ALREADY.

EARMARKED, BUDGETED.

OR THAT HOW MUCH, IF IT STAYS AT A THREE PERCENT CAP OF THAT 2.5? IS. THE SAME PROBLEM YOU HAD EARLIER LEFT OVER TO START ALLOCATING FOR THESE REQUESTS, SO I ONLY LOOK AT CAN ONLY LOOK AT COLLECTIVELY.

SO AT THE MOMENT WE'RE STILL WAITING ON SOME STATE SHARED REVENUE SO THAT I LOOK AT THE WHOLE FUND BECAUSE WE HAVE STATE SHARED REVENUES THAT COME IN.

I DON'T JUST LOOK AT OUR AD VALOREM.

SO CURRENTLY THERE WAS ABOUT ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS BASED ON THE LAST BUDGET WORKSHOP WHERE WE'RE IN THE GREEN.

SO THAT MEANS THAT COLLECTIVELY BETWEEN PROPERTY TAXES, STATE SHARED REVENUE AND SOME OF THE OTHER REVENUE THAT COMES IN VERSUS OUR PERSONNEL AND OPERATING AND DEBT SERVICE, WE HAVE NOTHING IN CAPITAL.

SO AS OF THE LAST TIME I PRESENTED IT WAS IT'S LIKE ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY NINE THOUSAND AND SOME CHANGE. SO ROUGHLY ABOUT ONE HUNDRED FIFTY THOUSAND.

SO WITH WHAT WE'VE ALREADY COMMITTED TO AS A CITY TO BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 22, WE HAVE TO BE CONSERVATIVE ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS TO ANSWER ALL THE REQUESTS THAT WE'VE HEARD AS OF THE LAST TIME I CHECKED, WE'RE STILL WAITING ON STATURED REVENUES TO COME IN SO THAT THOSE COULD GO UP.

I DID INCLUDE ESTIMATES FOR THOSE.

SO THERE'S FOUR MAJOR REVENUE STREAMS THAT COME IN.

I DID ESTIMATE THEM A LITTLE BIT LOWER.

USUALLY THAT'S WHAT I DO.

I DON'T WANT TO OVERESTIMATE.

AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO END UP HAVING TO MAKE CUTS.

I AM HOPING THAT THOSE WILL BE PUBLISHED SOMETIME THIS WEEK.

THEY SAID MID-JULY, JULY.

THAT'S RUNNING A LITTLE BIT LATE.

I HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE STATE TO TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

BUT YEAH, AS OF THE LAST TIME WHEN I PRESENTED, THAT WAS WHAT WAS LEFT.

SO HONESTLY, THE REASON WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS IS NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT WE HAVE ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS WHO IF WE COME BACK AND COUNCIL DECIDES ON THURSDAY REGARDLESS WHAT WE RECOMMEND.

THEY COME BACK AND SAY, ALL RIGHT, WE'RE STICKING TO THE CAP, AT BEST, WE HAVE ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS DECIDE HOW WE'RE GOING TO ALLOCATE THAT WITH ALL THOSE REQUESTS WE HEARD.

AND AGAIN, NONE OF THAT INCLUDES A SINGLE DOLLAR ROAD MAINTENANCE OUT OF RECURRING FUNDS OUT OF THIS AMOUNT.

WHEN YOU SAID YOU NEEDED SOMETHING, I'M SAYING RIGHT THERE, IN MY OPINION, THIS IS MY PERSON. THAT'S THAT'S MY EMERGENCY.

AT THAT THAT'S DIRE STRAITS, IN MY OPINION, I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S.

WE CAN'T. ANYTHING BUT YET WE HAVE I SAT HERE AND HEARD THOSE DEPARTMENTS, AND I KNOW MANY OF YOU ALL ATTENDED THOSE AS WELL, ARE THESE DEPARTMENTS.

AND I'M SITTING THERE SAYING ALMOST EVERY DEPARTMENT HAD AT LEAST A COUPLE OF THINGS.

AND THAT'S LEGIT.

THAT'S NECESSARY. THAT'S LIKE TO HAVE THAT'S NECESSARY.

SO, I MEAN, WHEN I WHEN I'M HERE IN THIS ROOM HERE AND WE GOT ONE HUNDRED FORTY FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS OF NEW MONEY, REALLY ONE WITH THREE PERCENT CAP.

AND. SCARES THE CRAP OUT OF ME.

AS PROVIDING SERVICES FOR THE CITIZENS HERE IN PALM BAY AND I UNDERSTAND THE CITIZENS THAT ONE DAY VOTED FOR THIS THREE PERCENT CAP, I GET THAT 100 PERCENT.

I'M GOING TO AGREE WITH YOU 100 PERCENT ON THAT STATEMENT.

SAME TIME. ALSO EXPECT SERVICES, THEY ALSO EXPECT THINGS TO BE DONE, AND IT'S MY PERSONAL FEELING IF IF IT CAN BE DONE WITH KEEPING THE MILLAGE RATE THE SAME MOVING FORWARD. THAT'S MY DESIRE.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS ME PERSONALLY, AS EACH OF YOU ARE YOUR OWN PERSON AND YOU USE THE WORDS EARLIER IN A SUSTAINABLE WAY .

WE CONTINUE WITH THREE PERCENT CAP, IT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION, IT IS NOT SUSTAINABLE.

AND I'M AND I'M YES, I'M PULLING THOSE TWO WORDS SPECIFICALLY FROM WHAT YOU SAID, BUT.

I URGE YOU, REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DECIDE HERE TONIGHT, TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT PRESENTATION FROM STAN TEC AND ILLUMINATES HOW IT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE.

THIS THREE PERCENT CAP IS DIGGING A GRAVE FURTHER AND FURTHER AND FURTHER.

THAT'S WHY SO WHEN YOU SAY YOU NEEDED SOMETHING, I'M TRYING TO PROVIDE IT AND I MEAN, IF

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AND I COMMEND YOU 100 PERCENT FOR HOLDING GROUND FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE ON THAT.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT MORE AND MORE PEOPLE IN THIS SOCIETY TODAY NEED TO HAVE A BELIEF AND GO WITH IT AND KEEP WORKING FOR IT.

BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR CANDOR HAVING THIS CONVERSATION, AND I'LL ASK IF YOU HAVE ANY RESPONSE TO THIS.

WELL, I JUST I WONDER WHAT IS EVERYBODY'S TAKE ON IT? AND ROLL BACK.

WELL, I WILL ADD, YOU KNOW, YOU BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT, THE TIMING.

I MEAN, SUCKS THERE'S NO DENYING THAT, ESPECIALLY WHAT'S GOING TO GO DOWN THURSDAY, TIMING SUCKS.

AND I CAN I CAN TELL YOU.

IT'S NOT THE PERFECT PLACE TO SAY THIS, I AM NOT RUNNING FOR COUNCIL IN 22, I HAVE NO PROBLEM STANDING AT THAT PODIUM SAYING WHATEVER I NEED TO SAY.

IF I'M SAYING EXCEED THE CAP, I HAVE NO PROBLEM.

I WILL TAKE WHATEVER I TAKE FROM THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THIS ROOM.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM DOING THAT.

AND IT'S THEIR.

AND I UNDERSTAND IT IS A DELICATE SITUATION AND THAT MEETING IS GOING TO BE DELICATE AND THERE'S GOING TO BE LOTS OF UPSET PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

SO, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE TIMING.

I CAN'T SAY IT ENOUGH. IT DOES SUCK.

WE KEEP GOING THIS WAY , THE CITY IS GOING TO STRUGGLE, AND I KNOW SEVERAL OF US HAVE POINTED OUT OUR PRIORITIES OF THESE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT TO US.

AND AGAIN, I GO BACK TO SAY ONLY 45000 CAN BE SUPPORTED.

THERE'S A THREE PERCENT CAP.

MEET TO ME, PERSONALLY.

THERE'S AN EMERGENCY, BUT I MEAN, AGAIN, I WOULD ASK THAT THE MAJORITY OF US AND I'M NOT TRYING TO DISCREDIT.

RANDALL, BUT SAME TIME THE MAJORITY OF US AGREE.

I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT THE STATEMENT AS A BOARD STATEMENT.

WE MAKE THAT MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO, AT LEAST AT SOME POINT, GET A SENSE OF HOW EVERYBODY FEELS ON THAT.

IT WOULD PERSONALLY BE MY RECOMMENDATION TO KEEP THE CURRENT MILLAGE MOVING FORWARD AS EXAMPLE BY THEY'VE SAID THE PROPOSED MILLAGE IS JUST THAT.

SO I'M KIND OF ASKED FOR EVERYBODY'S INPUT ON THAT STATEMENT, IF YOU'D LIKE TO RESPOND, RANDALL. I THINK COMING OUT OF THE YEAR, WE JUST HAD.

I'M. UP AGAIN NEXT.

ALL RIGHT. DON'T WANT TO SEE THE CITY HANDLE THINGS AS THEY COME, WANT US TO HAVE PLANS IN PLACE THAT IN A RELATIVE SENSE WORK THEMSELVES OUT.

SO I HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO BRING UP THE COUNCIL THING THAT EVERYONE'S TALKING ABOUT, THE PROBLEM THAT THE CITIZENRY IS GOING TO BRING UP AND IN MANY WAY S, SHAPES OR FORMS, IS THAT NOT THAT THEY WANT TO CHANGE.

A RULE IS THAT THEY WANT TO CHANGE A RULE AND APPLY IT TO A SITUATION WHILE IT'S UNFOLDING. A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT'S DISTURBING, SO BRING THAT EXAMPLE INTO THIS TO SAY.

I AGREE WITH YOU, I HAVEN'T HAD THE CHANCE TO READ THE REPORT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, BUT I'D LOVE TO IF YOU CAN GET IT TO ME IN ELECTRONIC FORMAT, I'D LOVE TO DIGEST THE INFORMATION. AND FRANKLY, AND I SAY THIS WITH NO SENSE OF ARROGANCE WHATSOEVER, BUT I DON'T EVEN NEED A REPORT TO REALIZE HOW UNSUSTAINABLE THAT IS.

IT MAKES SENSE. I GET IT.

I, I CAN'T SAY I PROPOSE, BUT THE SOLUTION THAT I SEE IN MY HEAD IS US EDUCATING THE CITIZENS, GETTING THE CAP TO A REFERENDUM AND GETTING THEM TO TELL US AGAIN, DO YOU WANT SERVICES TO EXPAND AND GROW AND IMPROVE AND THRIVE AND HELP YOU RAISE YOUR FAMILY? OR DO YOU WANT A CAP ON YOUR TAXES? WE CAN ASK THE CITIZENS THAT QUESTION AND GET THEIR OPINION BACK.

I'LL BE VERY HAPPY. WHAT I DON'T WANT TO SEE IS WHETHER IT'S ME SERVING ON THIS BOARD CONTINUALLY FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS OR ANYBODY ELSE, AS WE YOU KNOW, WE ALL MOVE ON, DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS BODY HAVE THIS CONVERSATION EVERY YEAR AND SAY, WELL, DO WE NEED TO RECOMMEND TO BUST THE CAP OR NOT? I WOULD LIKE US TO BE ABLE TO JUST SAY WHAT MILLAGE DO WE NEED TO HAVE AND WHERE IS THAT IN RELATIVE AND HOW MUCH IMPACT ARE WE GOING TO HAVE ON OUR CITIZENS AND REALLY BE ABLE TO WEIGH THAT? AND IT SOUNDS SO SILLY TO SAY, BUT TO BE ABLE TO PUT POLITICS ASIDE INSTEAD WE HAVE THIS POLITICAL FOOTBALL, AS I REFERRED TO IT EARLIER, THAT'S UNFOLDING WHEN THE DYNAMIC OF OUR COUNCIL IS IS COMPLETELY UNPREDICTABLE AT THIS POINT.

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THE TIMING IS A MESS.

SO I HAVE TO SAY THAT I TRULY APPRECIATE THIS BOARD AND I TRULY APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S POINTS. AND TO A TO A HIGHER DEGREE, I AGREE WITH MOST OF THEM.

I DO STAND FAST, IN MY VIEW OF THIS CURRENT RECOMMENDATION.

AND I'M SURE A MOTION IS EMINENT.

AND AT THAT TIME, I WILL NOT PERSONALLY IN THIS FORUM SUPPORT GOING OVER THE CAP.

NOT TO SAY THAT ANY OF THE POINTS THAT ALL YOU GUYS BROUGHT UP FELL ON DEAF EARS BECAUSE I TAKE THEM ALL QUITE TO HEART.

AND I APPRECIATE THAT THEY'RE THERE HELPING ME LEARN MORE AND HELPING ME FEEL MORE CONFIDENT IN THE OPINION THAT I CAME TO TONIGHT'S MEETING FEELING I KNOW THE CITY NEEDS MORE MONEY AND I KNOW THAT OUR CITIZENS NEED MORE EDUCATION.

AND I PERSONALLY HOPE TO MAKE IT MY MISSION TO EDUCATE AS MANY CITIZENS AS I CAN.

BUT I ONLY TALK TO SO MANY PEOPLE.

RIGHT. THERE'S THERE'S SEVEN OF US ON OUR BEST NIGHT.

SO, I MEAN, WE CAN ONLY COLLECTIVELY TALK TO SO MANY PEOPLE, BUT WE DO NEED TO DO THAT BECAUSE THAT'S THE MOST SUSTAINABLE THING, IS OUR CITIZENS UNDERSTANDING WHAT THEY PAY FOR AND WHAT THEIR DOLLARS GO TO AND THEIR THEIR WILLINGNESS TO SPEND MORE OF THOSE DOLLARS. AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, THEIR WILLINGNESS TO HAVE TRUST WITHIN THE OFFICIALS THAT THEY ELECT, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, PRETTY MUCH ANYBODY, CITIZEN WISE, THE REPUTATION OF I'LL SUMMARIZE IT AND SAY CITY HALL IS NOT PERFECT.

IT'S NOT AS DAMAGED AS IT WAS IN ONLY SO MANY MONTHS AGO, RECENTLY.

AND I'M VERY HAPPY TO SEE THAT.

BUT IT'S STILL VERY FRAGILE AND FRAIL AND IT'S IN A STATE OF REPAIR.

AND I JUST WE'RE SUFFERING SO MANY BLOWS RIGHT NOW.

I JUST DON'T WANT THIS TO BE ANOTHER ONE BECAUSE I DO WANT SUZANNE TO PALM BAY TO KNOW JUST HOW MUCH ALL OF THE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THESE DECISIONS TRULY DO CARE.

I KNOW WITH CONFIDENCE THAT NONE OF THE PEOPLE AT GRACE'S DAIS WHETHER IT'S TONIGHT OR THE OTHER BOARD MEETINGS OR THE COUNCIL MEETINGS, I FEEL IN MY HEART I FEEL VERY CONFIDENT IN MY SPIRIT THAT NOBODY HAS ILL INTENTIONS.

EVERYBODY REALLY IS JUST TRYING TO REPRESENT CITIZENS BEST WAY THEY KNOW HOW.

THAT'S WHY I APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAVE THE IMPLICATIONS OF THE COUNCIL MEETINGS, THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME WITH THE PRIEST, PASTOR, WHOEVER IT MAY BE, FOCUSES ON GIVING THE ENLIGHTENMENT TO THE INDIVIDUALS WHO SIT ON THE DAIS TO PUT THEIR PERSONAL INTERESTS ASIDE AND BE THE VOICE OF THE CITIZEN.

WHAT A CHALLENGE THAT IS THAT WE ASK THEM TO DO.

AND AND I APPRECIATE THAT THEY SET OUT ON THAT ENDEAVOR.

BUT ALSO THERE'S A THERE'S A CERTAIN TRANSPARENCY LEVEL THAT HAS TO BE NOT ONLY MAINTAINED, BUT OVERLY, WE NEED TO GET SPOTLIGHTS OUT TO SHINE LIGHT ON THE WORKINGS OF THE CITY BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN SO MANY YEARS OF DARKNESS IN PRACTICE AND AND LITERALLY THAT THAT WE HAVE OUR WORK CUT OUT WAY FURTHER BEYOND SAYING, HEY, FOR THIS PARTICULAR FISCAL YEAR, CAN WE DO THIS? AND AGAIN, IN MY OPINION, WITHOUT A VERY STRONG BECAUSE PANDAM, THAT'S WHY AND SAY THAT RESCUE FUNDS. IT NOT DISMISSING ANYBODY'S THINGS, BUT IT IS 200000.

WE NEED ONE POINT TWO MILLION TO COVER.

TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND ARGUMENTS CAN BE MADE, WE HAVE TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND AND WE SHOULD DESIGNATE SOME FUNDS.

SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. AND I JUST WANT TO END WITH GRATITUDE THAT I APPRECIATE.

I APPRECIATE THE DIALOG HERE AND EVEN CALL THIS DEBATE TO FRIENDLY DIALOG.

I APPRECIATE IT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? JUST WANT TO GO OFF RANDALL'S COMMENT THERE, I THINK ONE WORD THAT YOU MISSED, BUT YOU YOU WERE REFERRING TO IS ACCOUNTABILITY.

ACCOUNTABILITY IS NEEDED.

I THINK NEW COUNCIL KNOWS THAT WE KNOW THAT HERE.

THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY I'D LIKE TO KEEP IT WHERE IT IS AND TRY TO GET OUR CITY BACK.

CATCH UP. AND WE'VE BEEN WE'VE BEEN USING, AS I KNOW AARON WELL MYSELF, I KNOW YOU WILL, TOO, AT A COUNCIL MEETING.

WE WILL SEE HOW IT IS.

WE WILL HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE, STAFF ACCOUNTABLE TO.

JUST ONE THAT ADD THAT TO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING.

THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE IT, BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING FOR A WORD.

YOU SAW IT IN MY EYES AND THAT'S IT.

EXACTLY. I WANT A SENSE OF ACCOUNTABILITY.

SO I WAS HANGING ON TRANSPARENCY.

BUT THE ACCOUNTABILITY IS THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR MS. FILIBERTO. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

YES. SO I WILL ADD THAT ULTIMATELY I WOULD LIKE TO GET A SECOND VOTE REGARDING A

[2. Budget recommendations to City Council.]

LIKE, JUST MAKE SURE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE.

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I DON'T WANT TO JUST VOLUNTEER.

IF THAT WOULD BE THE WILL THE BOARD OF SOMEBODY WOULD WANT TO DO THAT.

BUT I WOULD LIKE TO CALL FOR SOME SORT OF MOTION TO TRY AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.

SO YOUR STATEMENT FIRST. AWESOME.

IS THE RECOMMENDATION OF I WOULD SAY THIS IS MY RECOMMENDATION, I'M READING OFF THE PAPER, GUYS, THE LAST SENTENCE WILL BE KIND OF PARAPHRASE BASED UPON WHAT I'VE HEARD IN THIS MEETING. IT IS THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE CITIZENS BUT BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD THAT THE COUNCIL SUPPORTS MAINTAINING THE CURRENT MILLAGE RATE.

AND THIS IS FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS.

WE ARE A CITY THAT'S CONTINUING TO GROW AND NEEDS AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, POPULATION.

THESE REASONS ARE EXCEEDING WHAT THE THREE PERCENT CAP CAN FUND AND FORCING US TO CONTINUALLY CHOOSE WHICH ITEMS THE CITY CHOOSES TO FUND OVER.

MANY OTHERS THAT ARE SO DIRELY NEEDED OF THESE THAT ARE GETTING PASSED OVER CONTINUALLY ARE A ROAD MAINTENANCE.

OUR FLEET POLICE AND FIRE, WHICH EVERY DAY SERVE TO PROTECT US, ALL OF OUR CITIZENS OF PALM BAY. THAT IS WHAT I'VE PUT TOGETHER OF A STATEMENT YOU CAN CRITIQUE IT WAS TO CHANGE IT, WHATEVER, IF SOMEBODY WOULD CHOOSE TO MAKE A MOTION ON THAT.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO KEEP IT.

NAME. I WILL SECOND THAT, SIR.

DOESN'T ANYBODY WISH TO DISCUSS? REAL QUICK, MR. CHAIR. YES, JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION HERE, THE MOTION TO SUBMIT YOUR STATEMENT, AS WAS READ AS IF AS A STATEMENT FROM THE BOARD.

CORRECT. THANK YOU.

WHAT MIGHT ADD IT TO THAT? I THINK YOU, SIR, THE MOTION.

DO YOU AGREE THAT.

HE JUST NEEDS TO AGREE TO ADD THAT TO HIS MOTION.

YES, I AGREE.

I WOULD HAVE THE THREE MINUTES, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, BUT I CAN I AGREE, BUT I AM SPEAKING AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE BOARD.

I WANT TO KEEP IT TO THE PAPER THAT'S IN FRONT OF ME.

I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK ON MY OWN BEHALF, NOT TO SAY I'M NOT GOING TO PUT IN A PUBLIC COMMENTS CARD AS WELL.

JUST TO COME UP AND SPEAK SEPARATELY AS MY OWN INDIVIDUAL PERSON, WHICH EACH OF US HAVE THAT RIGHT, AND THIS IS MORE SO A STATEMENT FROM US AS A BOARD, AS A RECOMMENDATION.

YOUR COMMENTS.

WE CAN DEFINITELY INDIVIDUALLY REQUEST A PUBLIC COMMENT CARD ON THAT AGENDA ITEM, I DON'T. THIS IS MY PERSONAL TAKE ON IT, I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO SPECIFIC ITEMS LIKE THAT BECAUSE THAT WOULD TAKE AN INVOLVED DISCUSSION, SAY, HOW DID I COME TO THAT? WHERE DO WE GET THERE? WHAT DOES THAT TRANSLATE TO? AND AGAIN, WE ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES, AND I DON'T WANT TO REMOTELY GET CLOSE TO THAT THREE MINUTE NUMBER BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE FULL RIGHT.

SAY YOU'RE OFF. THE OTHER COMMENTS.

I WAS WONDERING IF PERHAPS THAT CONVERSATION CAN BE PUT IN MINUTES FOR THIS.

OR THE CHART OR HAVE IT TO.

HOW QUICKLY WOULD WE HAVE THE MINUTES FROM THIS MEETING? WE HAVE ONCE THOSE ARE GENERATED, COULD WE HAVE THOSE MINUTES SENT AS A MEMO JUST FOR OUR DISCUSSION AS A BOARD TO THE COUNCIL? THAT WAY , ALSO, ALL OF OUR INDIVIDUAL INPUT WILL BE HEARD AS WELL.

DULY NOTED THERE, EVEN THOUGH WE WILL HAVE ONE STATEMENT OF SOLIDARITY ON THURSDAY.

SO WITH THAT SAID, WE HAD A MOTION IN A SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THAT STATEMENT AS READ, SAY, AYE, AYE, AYE

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SAY ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, ANYTHING ELSE TO THROW OUT THERE TO DISCUSS AS GENERALLY. AWESOME, NEXT MEETING IS A LOOK AT MY CALENDAR.

I BELIEVE WE HAVE IT SCHEDULED FOR THE 20TH.

TO DISCUSS OUR PRIORITIES BASED UPON WHAT GOES DOWN THURSDAY, BASICALLY WHAT THEY DECIDE AS A. MILLAGE RATE MOVING FORWARD, WE DO STILL HAVE THAT MEETING SCHEDULE, CORRECT? REAL GOOD, STILL WITH THE 20TH.

IT WAS THE 20TH. CAN I INQUIRE WHEN THE SUBSEQUENT MEETING AFTER THAT WILL BE WILL BE BACK ON OUR REGULAR CADENCE? RIGHT. SO IT WILL BE AUGUST THE YOU GOT THE SECOND WEDNESDAY.

I'VE GOT THE 11TH.

AUGUST 11TH.

ALL RIGHT. YES, BUT BOTH OF THESE 6:30 IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS.

YES. AND DISCUSSED ON TUESDAY, THEN ON TUESDAY THE 20TH, WE'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING BASED UPON THURSDAY, I URGE YOU EITHER TRY AND BE HERE IN ATTENDANCE OR WATCH, I MIGHT SEND AN EMAIL REQUEST TO MAKE SURE THAT PROPOSED MOVING FORWARD MILLAGE RATE CAN BE SENT OUT TO ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS AND THEN CONSIDER BASED UPON OUR PREVIOUS PRIORITIES.

SO STICK WITH THE THREE PERCENT CAP.

YOU KNOW, WE GOT ONE HUNDRED FORTY FIVE THOUSAND TO DECIDE HOW IT GOES.

AND WHAT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION IF THEY SAY WE'RE KEEPING WITH CURRENT, WE GOT A LITTLE BIT MORE TO DISCUSS ON LOOKING AT OUR PRIORITIES AND SAY HOW WE WANT TO USE THOSE.

THAT'S MORE SO WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING ON TUESDAY, THE 20TH.

AND EARLIER. AND THE COUNCIL.

YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE STAN TECH PRESENTATION OR.

I CAN TELL YOU, I'M SURE ALL OF THEM ARE VERY AWARE OF THE PRESENTATION THAT REALLY.

I KNOW THEY'RE COMING BACK AS IT ISN'T COMING BACK AS WELL.

ALAN. IF IT COULD INCLUDE IN THE MINUTES, IT'S RECOMMENDING A REFERENCE OF THE 2018 STAN TECH REPORT.

IT WOULD BE REFLECTED IN THE MINUTES THAT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.

THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE IN CLOSE CONTACT WITH YOUR APPOINTEE, MAYBE THAT COULD BE ALSO A SHORTFALL. MAKE SURE WE REACH OUT TO THEM SAY, HEY, WE DISCOVERED THAT SOME PEOPLE MIGHT NOT BE AWARE OF THIS REPORT.

PLEASE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.

DEFINITELY REACH OUT.

GOOD. I WILL TYPE THAT UP TONIGHT WHEN I GET HOME, I HAVE IT RIGHT HERE WITH MY NOTES, I MOST OF IT TYPED OUT, BUT THEN I HAVE THE DEPARTMENT SPECIFIC THINGS WITH THE MOTION WAS A ROAD MAINTENANCE FLEET, POLICE, FIRE, AND IT SPECIFICALLY BIGGEST HIGHLIGHTED ITEMS. BUT I'LL GET THAT TYPED UP AN EMAIL TO YOU AS WELL.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, GUYS.

SORRY TO KEEP YOU SO LONG, BUT MEETING ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.