Sep 21, 2021 Sustainability Board

INTRODUCTION. GOOD EVENING, I'M GOING TO CALL TO ORDER OUR MEETING REGULAR MEETING TWENTY

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MISS KELLNER. CHAIRPERSON BYRNE PRESENT VICE CHAIR, MIRAGE PRESENT BOARD MEMBER SCHNEIDER PHILIP PRESENT.

REMEMBER CONNOLLY? THEN REMEMBER A U.S.

PRESIDENT. AMBER PHILLIPS, REMEMBER ZIEGLER AS AN.

ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT ARE NON AGENDA ITEMS? ALL RIGHT, THEN OUR INTRODUCTION, PLEASE.

[PRESENTATIONS]

LISA SOTO, WHO IS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE MARINE RESOURCES COUNCIL, WHICH IS A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION HERE IN OUR COUNTY THAT IS TASKED WITH PROTECTING AND RESTORING THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON COASTAL ESTUARY.

LISA IS AN URBAN ECOLOGY RESEARCHER INVESTIGATING THE COMPLEX LINKAGES BETWEEN LAND BASED HUMAN ACTIONS AND WATER QUALITY TO ADDRESS POLICY QUESTIONS AND GUIDE STRATEGIC ACTIONS.

HER PROFESSIONAL CAREER SPANS OVER 20 YEARS WORKING TO IMPROVE FLORIDA'S WATER QUALITY WITH FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION, BREVARD COUNTY NATURAL RESOURCES MANAGEMENT OFFICE, MIDWEST RESEARCH INSTITUTE AND THE UNIVERSITY OF CENTRAL FLORIDA.

SHE NOW LEADS THE MARINE RESOURCES COUNCIL, WHOSE MAIN TENANT IS A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND BRINGING THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON TO HEALTH THROUGH SCIENCE BASED RESTORATION, EDUCATION AND ADVOCACY.

LISA RECEIVED A BACHELOR'S IN BIOLOGY FROM FLORIDA STATE UNIVERSITY AND A MASTER'S IN NONPROFIT MANAGEMENT AND A DOCTORATE IN CONSERVATION BIOLOGY FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF CENTRAL FLORIDA. SHE LIVES IN DOWNTOWN MELBOURNE AND LIVE SPENDING TIME IN THE WATER AND IN NATURE. AND WITH THAT, I GIVE YOU DR LISA SOTO.

THANK YOU. THANKS FOR GOING TO TAKE MY MASK OFF SO YOU CAN HEAR ME A LITTLE BETTER.

THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME TONIGHT.

REALLY HAPPY TO BE HERE.

I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT I THINK YOU ALL KNOW DR KEN LINDEMANN, WHO YOU'VE PROBABLY ENTERTAINED BEFORE YOUR BOARD BEFORE HE WANTED ME TO COME AND TALK ABOUT LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT. SO I'M GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.

AND THEN I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT OUR VISION AND MARK'S VISION AND AND WHAT WE DO AS AN ORGANIZATION. I CAN USE THIS THING.

NO. OH, OK.

AM I GOOD? SO, FIRST OF ALL, HI, DANIEL.

DANIEL MCDOWELL, WOOD CITY COUNCILMAN WITH WEST MELBOURNE, IS JUST JOINED US FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

MARINE RESOURCES COUNCIL IS A CHARITABLE ORGANIZATION WAS ESTABLISHED AT FLORIDA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY BY A GROUP OF COMMUNITY LEADERS AND PROFESSORS WHO REALLY WANTED TO INSERT SCIENCE INTO THE DECISION MAKING ARENA.

SO WE STILL CARRY ON THAT MISSION.

WE ARE TRYING TO USE SCIENTIFIC INFORMATION TO GUIDE POLICY AND PROGRAM EVALUATION AND SO ON. WE OPERATE OUT OF THE TED MOREHEAD LAGOON HOUSE, WHICH IS THE GATEWAY TO THE BAYFRONT REDEVELOPMENT AREA.

YOUR BAYFRONT REDEVELOPMENT AREA.

SO WE ARE WORKING WITH YOUR STAFFS HERE TO DEVELOP A 30 YEAR VISION NOT ONLY FOR OUR ORGANIZATION BUT FOR THAT PROPERTY.

SO WE'VE GOT A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING.

WE'VE GOT ABOUT SEVEN ACRES OF PROPERTY SURROUNDING IT.

IT HAS HISTORICAL MITTENS ON IT.

IT'S GOT A LOT OF NATURAL RESOURCES THAT WE CAN SHARE WITH OUR COMMUNITY.

WE USUALLY SEE A COUPLE THOUSAND PEOPLE A YEAR, NOT DURING A NON-COVID TIME WILL COME THROUGH THOSE DOORS AND LEARN ABOUT THE LAGOON AND LEARN ABOUT THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO THEM. SO THIS IS A PARTNERSHIP THAT WE HAVE NOW THAT WE WANT TO CULTIVATE AND CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN. UM, OK, SO WE HAVE THREE PROGRAM AREAS, THE EDUCATION IS SOMETHING WE'RE REALLY RAMPING UP RIGHT NOW. WE'RE DOING AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAMS WITH A C PERCH, WHICH IS A LITTLE REMOTE OPERATED VEHICLE THAT KIDS CAN BUILD AND THEN THEY CAN TAKE IT OUT AND COLLECT SAMPLES WITH IT. WE DID SUMMER CAMP.

WE HAD 180 YOUNG PEOPLE SITTING IN CHAIRS LEARNING ABOUT THE LAGOON, WEARING MASKS MOST OF THAT TIME THIS PAST SUMMER.

FANTASTIC VENUE ALONG THE LAGOON TO HAVE YOUTH EDUCATION PROGRAMS. WE ALSO DO ASSEMBLIES AND PUBLIC EDUCATION.

WE HAVE OUR MONTHLY TUESDAY FIRST TUESDAY LUNCH AND LEARN PRESENTATION.

THE ONE ON OCTOBER, THE FIRST TUESDAY IN OCTOBER.

THE DATE ESCAPES ME IS GOING TO BE REALLY IMPORTANT.

IT'S VIRGINIA BARKER FROM BREVARD COUNTY NATURAL RESOURCES TALKING ABOUT THE STATEWIDE STORMWATER RULEMAKING PROCESS, WHICH IS GOING TO HAVE A PROFOUND IMPACT ON LOCAL

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WE HAVE A LICENSED MANGROVE NURSERY.

WE DO REGULAR PLANTING WORKSHOPS, WE GET A BUNCH OF MANGROVES OUT THERE AT THE LAGOON HOUSE. AND WE ALSO HAVE SOME EXAMPLES OF AMAZING SHORELINES, INCLUDING THE LAGOON, THE SHORELINE ITSELF THAT HAVE MANAGED TO STAY IN PLACE THROUGH NUMEROUS HURRICANES.

SO OUR SHORELINE AT THE LAGOON HOUSE IS AN EXAMPLE OF A SUSTAINABLE SHORELINE THAT'S COMPLETELY VEGETATION.

IT'S NOT ROCKS AND HARDENING EFFECT.

ROCKS AND HARDENING WERE THERE FIRST, AND THEN THE 04 HURRICANES KNOCKED ALL OF THAT INTO THE LAGOON AND WE HAD TO GO GET IT OUT OF THE LAGOON.

SO IT WAS PLASTIC AND WE PLANTED VEGETATION, AND IT'S HELD UP EVER SINCE.

SO JUST THAT EXAMPLE OF A SHORELINE IS REALLY A GREAT RESOURCE THAT WE SHARE.

AS FAR AS OUR SCIENCE PROGRAMS, WE DO LAGOON WATCH, WHICH IS A CITIZEN SCIENCE MONITORING PROGRAM THAT WE'VE DONE FOR 30 YEARS.

WE DO OUR MOCK FINDERS AND WE ACTUALLY DID MOCK FINDERS HERE IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

TURKEY CREEK, WE MAPS THE AMOUNT OF MUCK IN TURKEY CREEK TO HELP THE CITY PLAN MANAGE AND FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST TO DO THE MUCK MANAGEMENT.

MUCK REMOVAL IN TURKEY CREEK MUCK IS THAT BLACK OOZE THAT ACCUMULATES ON THE BOTTOM.

AND SO WE HELPED YOU ALL BY DOING THE VOLUNTEER MEASUREMENTS OF HOW DEEP THAT MUCK WAS.

AND IN FACT, AS PART OF THAT PROCESS, WE FOUND THAT THERE ARE TWO LAYERS OF MUCK THAT THERE'S LIKE A HARD CAP, THERE'S A LUCKE MUCK ON TOP, THERE'S A HARD PAN AND THEN THERE'S MUCK BELOW IT. AND IF IF YOU TRY HARD ENOUGH, YOU CAN FIND THIS OTHER UNDERSTORY OF MUCK WHICH NOBODY KNEW EVEN EXISTED.

SO WE FOUND THAT NOT NOT GOOD NEWS, BUT IT WAS IMPORTANT NEWS.

DUNANT GROUNDWATER POLLUTION STUDY RECENTLY.

I CAN TALK MORE ABOUT THAT.

DON'T REALLY HAVE TIME TO GO INTO THE DETAILS, BUT OUR BIG SCIENTIFIC ENDEAVOR HAS BEEN FIGURING OUT HOW DO WE EVALUATE THE HEALTH OF THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON SYSTEM? SO IN A WAY THAT WE CAN STANDARDIZE A SCORE AND COMPARE IT OVER TIME? BECAUSE THE ULTIMATE QUESTION WITH ALL OF THIS ACTIVITY THAT EVERYBODY IS DOING IN THE LAGOON IS, IS IT WORKING? IS THE LAGOONS HEALTH IMPROVING? WHAT'S WHAT'S CAUSING THE DECLINE AND WHAT'S CAUSING IT TO IMPROVE? SO TO REALLY EVEN EVALUATE THE EFFECTIVENESS OF WHAT WE'RE DOING, WE NEED TO HAVE A BASELINE RIGHT. WE NEED TO BENCHMARK HOW DO WE MEASURE THE HEALTH? THAT'S WHAT THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN ALL ABOUT.

AND THAT'S WHAT I HANDED OUT TO YOU AS LAST YEAR'S REPORT CARD.

WE ACTUALLY HAD A GREAT IMPROVEMENT.

HE WENT FROM A 52 TO A 58.

SO, YES, EXPLAIN THAT TO YOUR MOM, RIGHT? I GOT IT, BUT I GOT AN F PLUS.

SO IT'S ACTUALLY A LITTLE BETTER.

SO WE'RE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

THAT'S WHAT WE REALLY WANTED TO SEE.

BUT BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL IN BAD SHAPE.

WE GOT A LONG WAY TO GO. SO WHERE DO WE NEED TO DO ABOUT THIS? AND I'M GOING TO BE BRIEF BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE THAN MOST.

BUT THE STORM WATER POLLUTION IS ONE OF THE CAUSES OF THE DEMISE OF THE HEALTH OF THE SYSTEM. SO STORM WATER IS COMING IN THROUGH THE ROAD SURFACES IN THE STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH IS CURRENTLY, FOR THE MOST PART, GRAY.

SO I'M JUST GOING TO INTRODUCE THAT CONCEPT.

IT RUNS OFF AND IT CARRIES WITH IT ALL OF THE POLLUTANTS THAT FINDS ALONG THAT JOURNEY.

SO IF IT FALLS ON YOUR ROOF AND IT COMES DOWN YOUR DOWN SPOUT ONTO YOUR DRIVEWAY, IT'S GOING TO PICK UP OIL AND GREASE.

AND THEN IT MIGHT ROLL PAST A PILE OF DOG WASTE ON ITS WAY TO THE CURB THAT SOMEBODY DIDN'T PICK UP ON THEIR WALK OF THEIR DOG BY YOUR HOUSE.

AND THEN IT CARRIES ALL THAT DOWN THE STORM DRAIN, WHERE IT GOES INTO A PIPE AND IT GOES POSSIBLY THROUGH A BAFFLE BOX WHERE IT'LL BE CHURNED UP AND SOME OF THE SEDIMENT WILL COME OUT. ALL THE DISSOLVED POLLUTANTS END UP IN THE LAGOON.

AND THAT HAPPENS 1100 TIMES IN BREVARD COUNTY ALONE, OUT OF OUTFALLS THAT ARE COMPLETELY NOT TREATED AT ALL.

SO THIS IS JUST POLLUTED WATER COMING OVER THE IMPERVIOUS, WHICH IS THE IMPERMEABLE AREA OF THE LANDSCAPE CARRYING ALL THAT POLLUTION WITH IT INTO THE LAGOON.

WHEN IT GETS THERE, IT FEELS ALGAE BLOOMS, SO THE ALGAL BLOOMS START.

SUMMER RAIN START, THE TEMPERATURE INCREASES ALL THAT NUTRIENT RICH WASTEWATER CLEANING, WATER, SURFACE WATER.

IT'S FULL OF NUTRIENTS.

IT'S THAT LAGOON WATER'S PERFECT TEMPERATURE AND THE ALGA START TO BLOOM.

ALGAE BLOOMS HAPPEN WHEN THEY DIE.

THE DISSOLVED OXYGEN GETS TAKEN OUT OF THE WATER BY THE BIOLOGICAL ACTIVITY OF ALL OF THOSE BACTERIA BREAKING DOWN THOSE ALGA AND THE FISH KILL HAPPENS.

SO THAT'S HOW THAT ALL HAPPENS.

SO NOW I'M GOING TO SWITCH GEARS AND TALK MORE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT, THE IMPORTANCE OF WHY WE NEED IT AND WHAT IT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

AND I INTRODUCED THE WHOLE, YOU KNOW, THE INFRASTRUCTURE CURRENT STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE IS GRACE.

WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE STREETS, THE CURB, CURBING GUTTER SITUATION PIPES AND YOUR ROOFS, ROOFS, THE DOWNSPOUTS.

ALL OF THIS IS CONNECTED, IMPERVIOUS.

IN FACT, THE ENGINEERS CALL IT DIRECT CONNECT, IMPERVIOUS DSI.

THAT IS WHERE ALL OF THE VOLUME BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF GALLONS OF WATER COME OFF OF ALL OF OUR IMPERVIOUS THAT'S DIRECTLY CONNECTED ROOF CONNECTED TO STOCK CONNECTED TO DRIVEWAY, CONNECTED TO STREET, CONNECTED TO STORM DRAIN CONNECTED TO LINE CONNECTED TO LAGOON DIRECT CONNECT IMPERVIOUS.

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SO I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

THIS SLIDE, I THINK, IS PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY.

THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF COCOA BEACH AND THE THE IMPERVIOUS CREEP, SO TO SPEAK.

SO HOW THE LANDSCAPE CHANGES.

AND THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE HERE AS YOU DEVELOP PALM BAY, RIGHT? YOU'VE GOT THINK YOU'RE 40 PERCENT DEVELOPED, SO YOU'VE GOT A LONG WAY TO GO.

YOU DON'T WANT TO END UP LOOKING LIKE THAT ON THE RIGHT.

YOU DON'T WANT TO BE. EVERYTHING IS CAPPED WITH CONCRETE AND YOU'VE GOT NOWHERE TO PUT YOUR STORMWATER WHERE YOUR STORMWATER GOING TO GO, YOU'VE GOT TO GET RID OF IT SOMEWHERE.

RAINS FIFTY THREE INCHES A YEAR.

WATER'S GOT TO GO SOMEWHERE.

WE WANT IT TO GO IN THE GROUND.

WE WENT, THAT'S WHERE WE WANTED TO GO.

THAT'S THE PUNCH LINE.

SO WITH THE IMPERVIOUS THAT ALL RUNS OFF PERVIOUS IS WHERE THINGS CAN PERCOLATE DOWN.

SO ALL OF THIS POLLUTED STORMWATER LOOKS LIKE THIS.

IT IS UNMANAGEABLE AT THE END OF THE PIPE.

WHEN IT COMES IN SCREAMING, FURIOUS VOLUMES AND ACCELERATED WATER.

YOU CANNOT FILTER IT, DRAIN IT, TREAT IT, PUT ANYTHING IN IT THAT'S GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. IT'S FLYING BY LIKE THAT.

SO THERE'S NOT MUCH YOU CAN DO AT THE END OF THE PIPE THAT'S NOT GOING TO CLOG THAT UP AND CAUSE BACK BACKUP.

THAT'S AN ISSUE. SO YOU NEED TO TREAT IT SOMEWHERE IN THE PIPE.

SO THIS IS THE CURRENT SCENARIO.

EVERYTHING'S GRAY. IT ALL FLOWS OUT AND HUGE VOLUMES GOES INTO SOME POND.

THAT POND IS GOING TO CREATE ALGAE BLOOMS AND THEN IT'S GOING TO OVERFLOW AND JUST FEED ALGAE INTO THE LAGOON AND THE FISH KILL AND SO ON.

SO WE NEED TO TURN IT BACK.

SO WHERE IT'S EXISTING, THAT LOOKS LIKE EVERYTHING IS CONCRETE.

THEY HAVE TO WORK EXTRA HARD TO GET IT BACK TO GREEN.

THE BEST THING TO DO IS NOT LET IT GET LIKE THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE, SO TRY TO PLAN OUT YOUR GREEN SPACES TO ACCOMMODATE INFILTRATION INTO THE GROUND OF YOUR RAINWATER SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO AFTER THE FACT, GO, OH MY, WE'VE CAPPED EVERYTHING NOW.

HOW DO WE GET THE WATER BACK IN THE GROUND? IT'S A LOT HARDER TO DO.

ONCE YOU'VE COVERED THE ENTIRE LANDSCAPE OF CONCRETE, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DEALING WITH ON THE BARRIER ISLAND ALREADY.

THAT'S WHY COCOA BEACH IS DOING LED.

THEY DON'T HAVE A CHOICE.

THEY CAN'T GET THE WATER BACK INTO THE GROUND UNLESS THEY ARE EITHER TEARING DOWN BUILDINGS AND MAKING GREEN SPACE, OR THEY'RE FIGURING OUT THROUGH LED HOW TO DO IT.

SO THESE ARE TWO EXAMPLES REALLY SIMPLE, AND I'M SHOWING THEM BECAUSE I WANT TO TALK ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT SCALES OF HOW LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT CAN BE IMPLEMENTED.

I'M GOING TO DESCRIBE WHAT LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT IS HERE IN A SECOND, BUT THE ONE SCALE IS KIND OF AT THE SITE.

SO AT A SINGLE LOCATION LIKE I DON'T KNOW IF MY YEAH, THE POINTER IS NOT GOING TO WORK THE TOP TWO SLIDES OR A COMPARISON OF A STREET.

SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT A STREET ON THE LEFT, THAT'S YOUR CURRENT, YOU KNOW, TYPICAL CONVENTIONAL STORMWATER DESIGN CURB AND GUTTER INTO A DRAIN.

THE STREET ON THE RIGHT IS LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S A STREET, BUT IT DIVERTS THE WATER INTO A VEGETATED AREA THAT IS ENGINEERED FOR THAT WATER TO FILTER DOWN.

IF YOU GET A MAJOR STORM EVENT, THERE'S GOING TO BE AN OVERFLOW JUST LIKE THERE IS WITH ANY OTHER STORMWATER DESIGN TO TAKE IT BACK TO THE STREET.

BUT AT LEAST IT GIVES IT A MOMENT TO GO IN THERE AND PERCOLATE.

SO SOME WATER, SOME VOLUME OF WATER IS GOING TO BE GOING BACK AND RECHARGING THE AQUIFER.

THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF GOOD REASONS WHY WE WANT THAT TO HAPPEN, NOT THE LEAST OF WHICH IS BECAUSE SEA LEVEL RISE IS COMING, BUT WE NEED TO GET FRESHWATER BACK IN THE AQUIFER.

THE BOTTOMS COUPLE OF PICTURES ARE BIGGER, THEY'RE BIGGER.

THAT'S A THAT'S A CAMPUS OF LIKE A PUBLIX, RIGHT? IT'S A BIG COMMERCIAL TYPE FACILITY.

SO THE ONE THAT LEFT AGAIN IS YOUR TRADITIONAL.

WE'RE GOING TO CAP EVERYTHING WITH CONCRETE.

THERE'S NOT A SINGLE TREE, THERE'S A DRY RETENTION AROUND THE BACK.

YOU CAN BARELY SEE THAT'S SUPPOSED TO CAPTURE ALL OF THAT STORMWATER OFF OF THAT ENTIRE PARKING LOT AND ROOF.

IT'S NOT EVEN GOING TO COME CLOSE TO CAPTURING IT ALL.

AND BELIEVE ME, I KNOW THAT SITUATION.

SO THEY FLOOD ALL THE TIME.

THE ONE ON THE RIGHT.

THE STORMWATER MANAGER OF COCOA BEACH ALMOST LOST HER JOB, INSISTING THAT THEY SAVE ALL THOSE TREES IN COCOA BEACH.

SHE STOOD FAST, SHE SAID.

THIS IS A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT TOOL.

SHE ALMOST GOT FIRED.

THEY JUST JOKED ABOUT IT WHEN THEY GAVE HER AN AWARD WHEN SHE RETIRED.

THEY SAID, REMEMBER WHEN WE ALMOST FIRED YOU AND NOW THAT'S THE BEST PROJECT WE HAVE.

SO THAT'S YOUR EXAMPLE OF DOING IT AND AN LED WAY BY SIMPLY PROTECTING THE TREES AND GETTING THE WATER BACK IN THE GROUND BECAUSE TREES ARE THE FOUR FIRST FRONT OF STORMWATER MANAGEMENT. SO WHAT IS IT? SO HERE IT IS.

SO IT IS. IT'S REALLY SIMPLE.

IT'S SOAKING RAINWATER INTO THE GROUND WHERE IT LANDS, PERIOD.

AND THAT'S THE ORIGINAL DEFINITION FROM THE LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT CENTER UP IN PRINCE GEORGE, MARYLAND, FROM 30 YEARS AGO.

AGAIN, CITIES HAVE THE HARDEST TIME DEALING WITH STORMWATER BECAUSE EVERYTHING'S CAPPED WITH CONCRETE ALREADY, SO THEY HAD TO GET INNOVATIVE AND THAT'S WHERE IT CAME FROM.

SO THIS IS WHERE REDEVELOPMENT, IT WORKS GREAT.

THE BARRIER ISLANDS WHERE THEY'RE BUILT OUT, IT WORKS GREAT BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A CHOICE. THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH STORMWATER, BUT THEY CAN'T BUILD A BIG GIANT POND BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO RIP DOWN PEOPLE'S HOUSES.

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SO THESE ARE SOME EXAMPLES RAIN GARDENS, NATIVE LANDSCAPING.

THESE ARE ONES FOR LIKE SITE SITE LEVEL SCALE DEVELOPMENTS.

I'M GOING TO GO INTO EXAMPLES NOW AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THINGS YOU COULD DO AS A HOMEOWNER OR HOMEOWNERS COULD DO, AS WELL AS THINGS THAT CITIES AND COUNTIES CAN DO.

SO THEY'RE KIND OF TWO DIFFERENT SCALES AGAIN.

SO BASICALLY, THIS IS HOW IT WORKS.

WE'RE LETTING THE SOIL AND VEGETATION DO IT.

IT NATURALLY DOES.

SO NOT ONLY ARE WE GETTING FRESHWATER BACK IN THE GROUND WHERE WE NEED IT FOR DRINKING WATER AND FOR MAINTAINING A SURFACE, A SURFACE WATER PRESSURE.

BUT THE SOIL BACTERIAL CONTENT AND THE VEGETATION ACTUALLY REMOVE CONTAMINANTS.

SO THE SAME NUTRIENTS THAT CAUSE ALGAL BLOOMS ARE THE SAME NUTRIENTS THAT PLANTS AND BACTERIA AND FUNGUS AND SO ON WOULD TAKE UP.

SO THE THEY LIKE THE THE NITROGEN AND PHOSPHORUS, TOO.

SO WHY NOT LET THEM HAVE IT? NOW YOU DON'T HAVE TO.

YOU CAN HAVE THESE LITTLE BUFFER STRIPS AND YOU'RE PARKING LOTS.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO FERTILIZE THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE GETTING ALL THIS POLLUTED STORMWATER, WHICH IS FULL OF NITROGEN.

AND SO IT'S WORKING TO GET YOUR WATER BACK IN THE GROUND WHERE YOU NEED IT FOR YOUR DRINKING WATER SOURCES AND TO KEEP SALTWATER INTRUSION FROM HAPPENING.

AND THAT VEGETATION OF SOIL WATER INTERFACE IS BREAKING DOWN NITROGEN AND PHOSPHORUS, SO IT WORKS ON A NUMBER OF LEVELS.

SO HERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT STRATEGIES.

SO ONE IS THAT YOU SAVE YOUR GREEN SPACE.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. YOU HAVE A LOT OF GREEN SPACE IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

YOU NEED TO SAVE IT WHILE YOU CAN, BECAUSE ONCE IT'S GONE, IT'S A LOT HARDER TO GET IT BACK. OK, SO THESE ARE AT THE TOP IS KIND OF A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION VISUAL WHERE YOU CAN SEE A DIFFERENCE IN TWO DIFFERENT SITE PLAN LAYOUTS.

THEY'RE THE SAME NUMBER OF UNITS, BUT YOU SEE THE ONE ON THE RIGHT HAS MUCH MORE GREEN SPACE. SO THE DEVELOPER IS GETTING THE SAME SAME NUMBER OF UNITS, SO THE SAME COST.

IN FACT, HE COULD PROBABLY SELL THE ONES ON THE RIGHT FOR MORE, BECAUSE WHEN YOUR HOUSE IS LOCATED IN A CONSERVATION AREA, YOU CAN MAKE YOUR PROPERTY VALUES HIGHER.

THE BOTTOM IS A COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT.

AGAIN, THERE ARE WAYS YOU CAN DESIGN AND BUILD AT DIFFERENT SCALES AND DIFFERENT LEVELS AND INCORPORATING THE VEGETATIVE MATTER IN THE NATURAL SOILS THAT ARE THERE TO MAINTAIN THAT INTERFACE.

ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WITH DEVELOPMENT IS IF THEY HAVE TO COME IN AND BRING IN FOUR FEET OF FILL, SO THEY'RE GOING TO RAISE THE SITE TO MAYBE THEY'RE BUILDING IN A FLOODPLAIN, WHICH IS ANOTHER BAD IDEA, ESPECIALLY WITH SEA LEVEL RISE.

BUT ONCE THEY RAISE THE SITE, THEY COMPACT IT, SO THEY BURIED ALL THE THE GOOD LIVE BACTERIA THAT WERE DOWN THERE, BREAKING UP STUFF AND MAKING DIRT LIKE THE WORMS AND STUFF RIGHT THERE NOW, BURIED UNDER FOUR FEET OF FILL PROBABLY BROUGHT IN FROM WHO KNOWS WHERE SAND IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STATE.

THEY CAN PACK THE HECK OUT OF IT AND MAKE IT CONCRETE.

THEY ROLL THE SIDE OUT ON TOP, AND NOW NOTHING CAN GROW BECAUSE THE BACTERIA IN THE SOIL ARE DEAD, HAS NO NUTRIENTS AND NO BIG, AND THEY HAVE TO FERTILIZE THE HECK OUT OF THE TURF GRASS TO GET IT TO GROW.

AND IT'S JUST KIND OF LAYING ON TOP OF THIS BECAUSE THOSE WHEN THEY COME PACKED IT WITH ALL THAT HEAVY EQUIPMENT, IT'S LIKE HARD AS A ROCK TO SOIL UNDER THERE.

SO THERE'S SO IT DOESN'T WORK.

IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK. YOU NEED TO HAVE NOT COMPACTED SOILS.

THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO PERCOLATE THROUGH AND YOU NEED TO HAVE THAT LIVE BACTERIA CULTURE INOCULATED IN YOUR SOILS.

THAT'S SO IMPORTANT FOR THE FUNCTION OF THE PLANT SOIL INTERFACE TO BE ON THE TOP, NOT BURIED. SO ALL OF THAT TO SAY THERE ARE WAYS TO DEAL WITH BIG PICTURE SITE PLANNING THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED THROUGH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, LAND DEVELOPMENT SITE PLANNING.

SO HERE WE ARE AGAIN. ANOTHER EXAMPLE IT'S ABOUT CLUSTERING AND ALLOWING FOR THE SAME NUMBER OF UNITS, BUT YOU PUT THEM CLOSER TOGETHER AND YOU PRESERVE THAT GREEN SPACE.

IF YOU DON'T MAKE THEM DO IT, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO.

IN GENERAL, THERE ARE SOME DEVELOPERS THAT WILL DO IT OUT OF THE KINDNESS OF THEIR HEARTS. AND I LAUGH. BUT THERE ARE SOME AND I KNOW SOME, BUT MOST OF THEM NEED SOME KIND OF INCENTIVE OR DISINCENTIVES, AND THAT'S WHERE THE CODES COME IN.

GUIDE THEM, GUARANTEE THEM YOU ARE GOING TO APPROVE THEIR PROJECT IF THEY DO IT THIS WAY, AND THEN THEY'LL START TO TURN.

SO I MENTIONED THE TREES, SO ONE OF THE EASIEST THINGS AND THE BIGGEST I WOULD, I WOULD THINK IT'D BE THE BIGGEST THING THAT'S WORTH STANDING UP FOR IS TO SAVE THE TREES FOR SO, SO, SO MANY REASONS, BUT MOSTLY FROM THIS FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.

BECAUSE IF THE GRAIN DOESN'T HIT THE GROUND, IT'S NOT STORMWATER AT ALL.

AND TREES CAN, ESPECIALLY A BIG OAK TREE THEY CAN INTERCEPT LIKE SIXTY FIVE PERCENT OF THE WATER THAT THAT INTERACTS WITH THEM, THEY CAN TAKE IT UP THROUGH THE LEAVES, THEY CAN TAKE IT UP THROUGH THE ABSORPTION OF THE BARK AND SO ON.

SO IF IT DOESN'T HIT THE GROUND, THEN THAT'S VOLUME YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO DEAL WITH.

IT'S UP IN THE TREE.

SO FOR NO OTHER REASON, TREES ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT STORMWATER RULE FOR STORMWATER STRATEGY, AND THEY GET BETTER OVER TIME.

EVERY OTHER ENGINEERING DEVICE THAT'S PUT OUT THERE GETS WORSE OVER TIME NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED. ITS EFFICIENCY IS GOING TO DECLINE, ETC.

TREES GET BETTER.

YOU PLANT ONE TODAY, 20 YEARS FROM NOW, IT'S GOING TO BE EVEN BETTER.

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I MEAN, THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS.

THE EXAMPLES, THERE ARE ACTUALLY ECONOMIC EXAMPLES OF WHY HAVING TREES IN YOUR DOWNTOWNS OR ECONOMICALLY IMPORTANT AND GOOD FOR PUBLIC HEALTH.

AND THERE'S A WHOLE SUITE OF ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS, OF COURSE, WITH TREES.

HERE'S SOME EXAMPLES WHERE THEY'VE DONE THIS TYPE OF SITE.

PLANNING IN FLORIDA ON THE MADEIRA SUBDIVISION IS A IS ONE OF THE FIRST AND THEN IT'S UP IN GAINESVILLE. BUT YOU CAN SEE THEY THEY DID NOT CLEAR.

THEY DID NOT RAISE, THEY DID NOT BRING AND FILL AT ALL.

THEY WORKED COMPLETELY WITHIN THE EXISTING LANDSCAPE STRUCTURE OF WHAT WAS THERE, THE VEGETATIVE COMMUNITY.

THEY BUILT AND LAID THEIR HOUSES OUT BETWEEN THE TREES.

THEY MADE THE STREETS NARROWER, SO THEY HAD TO CHANGE CODES TO ENABLE THAT BECAUSE CODES THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, TRANSPORTATION CODES THAT REQUIRE CERTAIN WIDTHS AND SO ON.

SO THEY HAD TO WHEN THEY DID THIS, THEY HAD TO CHANGE THEIR OWN CODE TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.

THIS IS PERVIOUS PAVERS AND THEY'RE DONE CORRECTLY WITH UNDERGROUND TANKS.

SO SOME, YOU KNOW, IF YOU PUT IN PERVIOUS PAPERS BUT YOU PUT SIX INCHES OF CONCRETE UNDER THEM, THEY DON'T WORK AS WELL.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WORK AT ALL. SO YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE ADEQUATE LIFT UNDER YOUR PERVIOUS PAVERS SO THAT THE WATER CAN NOT ONLY GET THROUGH THE PAVER, I CAN GET THROUGH THE SOIL, IT'S UNDERNEATH.

SO AND THIS IS AN EXAMPLE FOR AN INDIVIDUAL SO WE CAN EVEN BE STORMWATER SAVVY IN OUR OWN YARDS AND FIGURE OUT AND TODAY IT WOULD BE REALLY EASY ON ANY RAINY DAY.

IS THE WATER PUDDLE IN YOUR YARD? YOU KNOW WHERE PUDDLES IN YOUR YARD IS, WHERE YOU AVOID IT, WHEN YOU CUT YOUR NICE SHOES ON? AND THEN THAT'S WHERE YOU WOULD INTENTIONALLY CREATE A SWALE, A STORMWATER RETENTION GARDEN, SOMETHING LIKE A RAIN GARDEN OR A MECHANISM, A TREE, SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO NATURALLY FILL THAT SPACE WITH SOME KIND OF BEAUTIFUL VEGETATION.

TAKE THE STORMWATER UP AND KEEP IT FROM GOING DOWN THE DRIVEWAY.

HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF ONE THAT WE DID BETWEEN TWO HOUSES IN SARASOTA.

THIS IS ACTUALLY A DESIGNED SWALE.

IT HAS GRAVEL AND SUBTERRANEAN CHANGES THAT WERE MADE TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING FROM THEIR DOWNSPOUTS WAS DIRECTED.

THERE HAS THE CUTE LITTLE PATHWAY THROUGH IT, AND THEN WE USED ALL FLORIDA FRIENDLY PLANTS AROUND IT.

SO IT LOOKS PRETTY AND IT'S LIKE A LITTLE AMENITY FOR THESE TWO NEIGHBORS TO SHARE THAT IS DRAINING ALL OF THEIR ROOF DRAINAGE INTO THIS REALLY RAIN GARDEN BIOFUEL THING.

BUT IT CAN BE BEAUTIFUL.

RAIN GARDENS LOOK LIKE THIS.

THEY ARE KIND OF DESIGNED, BUT THEY'RE PRETTY SIMPLE TO CREATE.

WE HAVE A REALLY AMAZING MANUAL THAT WE WERE FUNDED BY THE NATIONAL ESTUARY PROGRAM YEARS AGO, AND WE'RE WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA EXTENSION AND COCO SALLY SCLERA. IF YOU DON'T KNOW HER, SHE'S A FANTASTIC RESOURCE THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US, AT LEAST UNTIL SHE RETIRES.

SHE HELPED, AND THE THE LINK THERE THAT'S HARD TO SEE IS ON OUR WEBSITE.

SAVE THE URL. ORG.

IF YOU GO TO IT AND CLICK ON THE PDF, IT'LL GIVE YOU THE STEP BY STEP INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO BUILD A RAIN GARDEN. BUT I THINK ONE OF THE BEST PIECES OF INFORMATION IN THAT MANUAL IS THE NATIVE PLANT LIST THAT SALLY PREPARED FOR US.

SO WE KNOW LIKE WHICH PLANTS WORK FOR RAIN GARDENS IN BREVARD COUNTY, SO IT'S JUST A GREAT TOOL TO BUILD A RAINBOW GARDEN.

YOU CAN BUILD THEM. WE HAVE COMMUNITY ONES, YOU KNOW, AT THE GOVERNMENT LEVEL, THAT WOULD BE A FUN PROJECT TO TAKE ON WITH YOUR VOLUNTEERS.

LET'S BUILD A RAIN GARDEN AT SOME PARK, OR PEOPLE CAN BUILD THEM IN THEIR YARD SO WE CAN PUT THEM ON THE SIDE OF ROADS.

I MEAN, RAIN GARDENS CAN BE ENGINEERED TO THIS LEVEL.

SO THIS IS A SORT OF A RAIN GARDEN, BUT THEY WOULD CALL IT A BIO RETENTION SYSTEM ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, AND IT'S CONNECTING GREAT GREEN AGAIN.

SO THIS IS THE STRATEGY OF GET THE WATER COMING DOWN THE GRAY AREA INTO A GREEN AREA, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY'VE DONE IT HERE.

THERE'S A CUTOFF.

I MEAN, THE IT'S HARD TO SEE THE THE TOPOGRAPHY LIKE HOW THINGS ARE FLOWING, BUT I'M I THINK IT'S FLOWING DOWN FROM WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AND AS IT'S FLOWING, IT'S GOING TO CUT OFF TO THE LEFT DOWN THE STREET INTO THIS LITTLE SWALE AND YOU CAN SEE THE OPENINGS THAT'S GOING TO LET THE WATER GO OUT INTO THIS BIO RETENTION AREA.

SO IT'S JUST ANOTHER.

PLACE THAT THEY CAN PUT WATER AND PARK IT SO IT HAS TIME TO PERCOLATE AND GET INTO THE AQUIFER, NOT DOWN THE ROAD.

HERE'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE.

SO THESE AGAIN, THEY ARE DESIGNED, THEY'RE DESIGNED TO RECEIVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF WATER VOLUME WITH A CERTAIN RAINFALL EVENT, AND THEY ARE DESIGNED TO OVERFLOW TO A CERTAIN LEVEL, AND THEY'RE DESIGNED TO TAKE OUT A CERTAIN LEVEL OF VOLUME AND POLLUTANTS THAT ARE ENGINEERED JUST LIKE ANY OTHER ENGINEERED SOLUTION.

BUT THEY'RE PRETTIER AND THEY WORK BETTER AS FAR AS POLLUTION REDUCTION.

HERE'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE SO THIS IS A ROOF DISCONNECTING YOUR ROOF FROM THE GRAY INFRASTRUCTURE. SO THIS IS A CONNECTION.

THIS IS UP AT THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA, AND IT'S A IT'S I DON'T REMEMBER WHICH OTHER BUILDINGS IT IS, BUT IT'S A HUGE BUILDING WITH A HUGE ROOF, PROBABLY LIKE THIS ONE.

AND THESE ARE THEIR BIO RETENTION BOXES.

SO THEY'RE GIANT AND THEY ARE ENGINEERED, BUT THEY LOOK LIKE THIS BEAUTIFUL AMENITY RIGHT IN THE CONCRETE. THERE'S A FACILITY JUST LOOKS LIKE A BEAUTIFUL LANDSCAPE BOX, BUT IT'S

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AND THEN YOU CAN SEE HOW IT'S DESIGNED THERE.

SO HERE'S ANOTHER IDEA.

THE DISCONNECTING THE ROOF BY STORING IT TEMPORARILY IN A CISTERN AND THEN RELEASING THAT WATER, SO AGAIN, YOU'RE DISCONNECTING THE ROOF FROM THE DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS REALLY KEY.

AND WITH THE CASE OF A RAIN BARREL OR CISTERN, YOU'RE JUST STORING IT TEMPORARILY AND THEN YOU'RE USING THAT WATER AGAIN FOR IRRIGATION OR SOME KIND OF OUTDOOR WATER USE.

I LOVE THE ONE, THE ONE ON THE RIGHT YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE.

IT'S IT'S A SCULPTED SERIES OF OF OF LIKE WATERFALLS WITH A CISTERN AT THE END.

SO PEOPLE HAVE DONE THESE IN CITIES AND JUST MADE THEM BEAUTIFUL.

LIKE, YOU HAVE AN ARTIST, MAKE A GORGEOUS THING THAT'S ACTUALLY A SISTER.

SO IT'S KIND OF AN EQUAL ART OPPORTUNITY, AND THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A CHURCH WHO JUST DID IT LIKE ON THEIR OWN, ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY.

SO THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN ALL DO ON OUR PROPERTIES.

JUST INSTEAD OF DIRECTING THE DOWNSPOUTS, DRAINING THE ROOF TO THE DRIVEWAY, JUST DIRECT IT TO THE BED FLOWER BEDS, AND NOW IT'S FEEDING YOUR FLOWERS.

AND IT'S NOT STORM WATER.

IT'S NOW HOPEFULLY PERCOLATING INTO THE GROUND AND CONTRIBUTING TO OUR GROUNDWATER, WHICH NEEDS TO BE FRESH.

HERE'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF SOMEBODY'S HOME.

THIS ONE DIDN'T HAVE GUTTERS, SO SHE JUST PUT THE PLANTER BOXES ON HER CORNERS OF HER HOUSE. IT'S LIKE A SPANISH STYLE ARCHITECTURE DIDN'T HAVE GUTTERS, BUT JUST ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS. SO AGAIN, IT'S LIKE A BEAUTIFUL AMENITY THAT IS TREATING STORMWATER, AND THIS IS THE LAGOON HOUSE. WE'VE GOT SO MANY RAIN BARRELS.

I THINK WE CAN STORE ABOUT A THOUSAND GALLONS OF WATER AND WE FILL THEM UP WITH EVERY RAIN EVENT RIGHT NOW. BUT THAT RAIN BARRELS ARE A REALLY EASY WAY THAT EVERYBODY CAN PARTICIPATE IN LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT.

SO WE'VE GOT THEM, AND I'M GOING TO MENTION OUR NEXT ONE IS IS UP IN COCOA BEACH AT THE BULGAKOV AND COFFEE HOUSE.

IF YOU WANT TO COME AND MAKE A RAIN BARREL, AND THEN I SUGGEST THAT WE'VE MANAGED TO GET ANOTHER CITY TO OFFER THE REBATE.

SO SO FAR WE HAVE THREE CITIES INDIAN HARBOR BEACH, MELBOURNE AND COCO HAVE USED KIND OF THEIR STORMWATER GRANTS THAT THEY GET THROUGH 19 GRANTS OR STORMWATER UTILITY FEE, WHICH I'M NOT SURE IF YOU HAVE HERE TO HELP SUBSIDIZE HOMEOWNERS WHO WANT TO HAVE A RAIN BARREL IN THEIR YARD, THEY WILL GIVE THEM A $50 CASH REBATE IF THE PERSON SHOWS DIFFERENT CITIES HAVE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS, BUT THE THEY SHOW THE RECEIPT THAT THEY SHOW IT'S HOOKED UP AND THAT THEY TAKE A PICTURE OF IT AND THEY WILL GET IT.

THEY'LL GET THE REBATE AND DEPENDING ON THE CITY.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THE CITY OF PALM BAY MIGHT WANT TO THINK ABOUT DOING.

YES. AND SO YOU COVER THE COST OF SO HE MONTY WAS REMINDING ME TO THAT OUR RAIN BARRELS FOR FIFTY FIVE HOUR WORKSHOP IS 55 DOLLARS AND YOU GET A RAIN BARREL.

SO IT PRETTY MUCH COVERS THE COST OF THE.

SO WHAT IS PREVENTING THIS FROM WHAT IS PREVENTING? THANK YOU. WHAT IS PREVENTING LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT FROM HAPPENING? WHY HASN'T IT HAPPENED YET? SO THERE ARE SOME REAL BARRIERS.

SOME OF THEM ARE REAL, SOME OF THEM ARE JUST MISPERCEPTIONS.

BUT THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO KIND OF OVERCOME.

NOW AT MRC, WE RECOGNIZE THAT THERE'S ANOTHER SET OF STORMWATER TOOLS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO US THAT ARE BEING IMPLEMENTED IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY AND THE STATE OF FLORIDA THAT WE HAVE NOT HAD ACCESS TO HERE.

AND SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE BARRIERS SO THAT THE ENGINEERS AND THE THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO REVIEW ENGINEERING DESIGNS ARE DISTRUSTFUL OF NEW TECHNOLOGY, SO THEY MIGHT NOT UNDERSTAND IT. THEY MIGHT NOT UNDERSTAND THE DESIGN COEFFICIENTS.

THEN THERE'S ALSO JUST THE RELUCTANCE TO CHANGE.

OR I LOVE TO SAY INERTIA.

YOU KNOW THAT YOU NEED FORCE TO MAKE A CHANGE.

AND IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T HAVE ANY FORCE, I'M NOT GOING TO CHANGE ESTHETIC CONCERNS, WHICH I THINK ARE BEING OVERCOME.

BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S THROWN OUT COMMONLY.

IT'S LIKE, OH, PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THAT.

IT'S LIKE, YEAH, WELL, PEOPLE LIKE TREES BETTER THAN CONCRETE.

I THINK IN GENERAL, UNCERTAINTY ABOUT THE EFFECTIVENESS, WHICH IS REALLY THE CRUX OF THAT RELUCTANCE OR THAT DISTRUST OF NEW TECHNOLOGY.

AND THEN THERE ARE CERTAIN MISUNDERSTANDINGS THAT IT'S COST TOO MUCH MONEY, THEN THAT THEY'RE PERMITTING MAY NOT COME THROUGH.

SO WITH DEVELOPERS LIKE I SAID, YOUR YOUR LANDSCAPE DEVELOPERS AND BUILDERS, YOU KNOW, THEIR TIME IS MONEY FOR THEM.

SO UNDERSTANDING WHAT TO EXPECT IN TERMS OF THE PERMITTING PROCESS IS KEY.

THAT'S WHY I SAID YOU ALMOST NEED TO INCENTIVIZE OR CREATE AN EASIER PATHWAY FOR THEM TO PERMIT LED THAN THE OTHER.

ARE THEY GOING THE OTHER WAY UNLESS YOU JUST MANDATED IT? YOU JUST SAY YOU HAVE TO DO IT THIS WAY, WHICH WE CAN WORK WITH YOU ON.

THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE NO ANYWAY.

LOCAL POLICY BARRIERS.

SO THIS IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

SO THERE ARE LITERALLY CODES ON THE BOOKS RIGHT NOW IN BREVARD COUNTY, AND I'M TALKING ABOUT CITY CODE. SO I'M NOT GOING TO NAME WHICH CITIES THAT SAY THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IN PREVIOUS PAPERS, YOU HAVE TO PUT IN SIX INCHES OF CONCRETE.

SO THAT'S A CODE. SO THAT'S A CODE THAT'S KEEPING THAT LED STRATEGY FROM WORKING.

SO THOSE NEED TO CHANGE THINGS THAT LIMIT TREE PROTECTION.

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IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PROTECT TREES, THEN YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PROTECT ANY ANYTHING, RIGHT? SO THAT'S THOSE NEED TO BE OVERCOME.

TRANSPORTATION CODES, I MENTIONED.

SO THERE ARE JUST SOME, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GET INTO THE BUILDING DEVELOPMENT LANDSCAPE REGULATION AREA, THERE ARE THINGS THAT MAY ACTUALLY PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING.

THEY NEED TO BE ADJUSTED.

THERE'S ALSO JUST THE ZONING AND SITE PLANNING PROCESS.

AND THIS IS PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY THAT THE TIMELINE AND THE ORDER OF THINGS DON'T ACCOMMODATE THE DISCUSSION ABOUT CLUSTERING.

IN TIME FOR THE FINAL APPROVAL TO HAPPEN, RIGHT, IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE ZONING, WE'RE GOING TO GO FROM ONE HOUSE TO 30.

CAN WE GET APPROVAL? WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH IT? WE DON'T KNOW.

SO YOU WANT TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT'S A GREAT CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT CONVERSATION. OH, WELL, YOU WANT TO PUT 30 UNITS.

IF YOU PUT IF YOU PUT IT ON ONE PARCEL AND YOU PUT THEM UP, RIGHT? SO 30 UNITS COULD TAKE UP THE WHOLE LANDSCAPE, OR IT COULD TAKE UP ONE TENTH OF IT BECAUSE YOU PUT THEM ON TOP OF EACH OTHER.

BUT YOU DON'T EVEN GET TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION BECAUSE THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE TO PRODUCE A SITE PLAN. AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT HERE.

I'M JUST SAYING IN GENERAL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROCESS SPECIFICALLY IS HERE, BUT THAT'S TYPICAL THAT YOU THEY JUST WANT TO CHANGE THE ZONING AND YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW THEY'RE GOING TO DO THAT YET. SO ANYWAY, SO NOT GETTING THE SITE PLAN PROCESS, NOT GETTING SITE PLANNING IN THAT CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT CONCEPT INCLUDED AT THE TIME OF THE ZONING REQUEST.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT NEED TO CHANGE.

THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS CONFERENCE, AND I'M GOING TO HAND THESE OUT TO YOU ALL SO YOU CAN SEE IT BETTER AFTER MY PRESENTATION BECAUSE I'M SURE IT'S HARD TO SEE ON THE SCREEN.

BUT I WAS VERY, VERY FORTUNATE BEFORE I CAME TO MRC TO GET TO WORK FOR UCF STORMWATER MANAGEMENT ACADEMY, WHICH IS THE IT'S IN THE COLLEGE OF ENGINEERING AT UCF.

AND THERE'S A BUNCH OF REALLY THE LEADING THE LEADING STORMWATER ENGINEERS IN THE STATE.

ARE THERE MARTY WANT TO LIST? IS THERE ERIC LIVINGSTON'S THERE? RICK RENFE WITH DOTTIE AND THESE GUYS WERE THE ONES WHO CAME UP WITH THE FIRST STATEWIDE INNOVATIVE AT THE TIME, AND NOW THEY'RE COMING TO THIS CONFERENCE BECAUSE THEY REALIZE IT'S TIME TO CHANGE AGAIN.

WE'RE IN STORMWATER STOOL STORMWATER RULE MAKING RIGHT NOW, THANKS TO OUR SENATOR MAYFIELD PASSING THE CLEAN WATERWAYS ACT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.

SO THE STATE HAS TO DO A NEW RULE.

THAT'S WHAT VIRGINIA IS GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE LUNCH LEARN NEXT WEEK.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CALLING ON.

WE'RE CALLING ON YOU ALL, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE, CITY AND COUNTY LEADERS AND THE BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY TO COME AND HEAR ABOUT WHERE WE'RE GOING IN THE FUTURE.

THIS IS THE WAY THE STATE STORMWATER RULE IS GOING, AND IT'S SMART TO GET AHEAD OF THAT.

FIRST OF ALL, WE YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO BE CONVERSANT AND WHAT THEY'RE SAYING BECAUSE CHANCES ARE THEY'RE GOING TO DICTATE IT, RIGHT? SO THE THE WAY TALLAHASSEE HAS BEEN MOVING, IT'S BEEN PREEMPTED.

LOCAL GOVERNMENT PREEMPT LOCAL GOVERNMENT.

SO YOU WANT TO BE CONVERSANT SO YOU CAN SAY WE ARE WILLING TO BE PREEMPTED OR WE'RE NOT, AND THAT'S A SERIOUS CONVERSATION AND IT'S REAL.

THE OTHER REASON IS THAT BECAUSE THE CITY HAS EXPRESSED INTEREST IN LYDIE CITY, PALM BAY AND YOU ALL HAVE THE GREATEST POTENTIAL, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHERE THIS COULD ALL PLAY OUT PERFECTLY. NOTE THE CITY OF PALM BAY CAN BE THE LEADERS IN THIS.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE WE ARE GETTING WE ALL HAVE ANY GRANT MONEY FOR THIS AT ALL.

WE'RE GETTING SPONSORS TO COVER THE COST FOR ONE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER OR ONE COUNTY COMMISSIONER FROM EACH OF THE 48 CITIES AND COUNTIES IN THE LAGOON WATERSHED TO ATTEND FOR FREE. AND SO WE ARE CALLING ON YOUR CITY COUNCIL AND THEY'VE ALL SAID WE ALL WANT TO COME, SO HOPEFULLY THEY'RE ALL GOING TO COME.

BUT BUT THEY HAVEN'T REGISTERED YET, SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE THERE.

AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO SPEND TWO DAYS ON THE DAY.

ONE IS IT'S REALLY ABOUT OVERCOMING THOSE BARRIERS.

SO WE WANT TO SHOW PEOPLE THIS CAN BE DONE.

THERE ARE DESIGN COEFFICIENTS IS BEING DONE ALL OVER THE PLACE SUCCESSFULLY.

WE CAN SHOW YOU HOW MAINTENANCE COSTS, WE CAN SHOW YOU THE COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS.

IT'S ALL DONE. SO WE'RE BRINGING IN THESE FOLKS WHO ARE GOING TO SHOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO COVER THE WHOLE UNFAMILIARITY BARRIER, THE INERTIA BARRIER, LIKE HOW DO YOU OVERCOME INERTIA IN THAT THOSE MISPERCEPTIONS? DAY ONE IS LIKE I SAID, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE THIS IS BASICALLY WHAT IS IT? WHY IS IT IMPORTANT AND HOW HAVE OTHER COMMUNITIES MANDATED IT? AND THIS IS GOING TO BE, I THINK, THE IMPORTANT ONE FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO ATTEND BECAUSE WE'VE GOT SOME AMAZING SPEAKERS IN THE AFTERNOON TALKING ABOUT THEIR ORDINANCE, MAKING LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCES THAT REQUIRE LED.

SO ONE IS FROM PINELLAS COUNTY, ONE IS FROM A LEFT ALACHUA COUNTY.

AND THEN WE HAVE THE AMAZING DR.

EBON BEEN COMING FROM USF, TALKING ABOUT ALL THE ORDINANCES IN THE STATE AND DOING A COMPARISON CONTRAST.

SO THAT JUST THAT IS GOING TO BE WORTH THE PRICE OF ADMISSION.

JUST BEING ABLE TO SEE HOW OF OTHER PEOPLE ADDRESSED ORDINANCES.

AND THIS WAS THE REAL REASON WHY ONE TO HAVE THIS BECAUSE A LOT OF CITIES ARE STRUGGLING WITH IT RIGHT NOW. SO I'M LIKE, WHY DON'T WE BRING IN THE EXPERTS AND THEY CAN GUIDE YOU AND THEN YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, GO THROUGH THE PROCESS BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S GOING TO DO IT A

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SO THAT'S GOING TO BE FANTASTIC.

DAY TWO IS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO ZOOM OUT.

WE'RE LOOKING AT THE STATE STORMWATER RULEMAKING.

WE'VE GOT THE STATE STORMWATER RULE, PEOPLE, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY'RE GOING TO INTEGRATE THIS INTO THE STATE'S STORMWATER RULE.

THEN WE TALK ABOUT COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING.

SO I KNOW YOU ALL ARE IN THAT RIGHT NOW.

YOU'RE DOING YOUR COMP PLAN HERE IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

SO THAT'S WHERE YOU NEED TO START INTEGRATING THIS CONCEPT FROM THE VERY GET GO AND YOUR COASTAL ELEMENT OR WHEREVER IN YOUR COMP PLAN THAT IT MAKES SENSE.

SO COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING, COASTAL RESILIENCY, PLANNING AND.

CHANGING THE DEVELOPMENT PARADIGM, SO THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GET, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPERS TO TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHY, HOW DO WE GET YOU TO DO THIS? THIS IS OUR FIRST ONE.

WE KNOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET IT ALL DONE WITH THIS FIRST ONE.

SO WE ARE GOING TO DO TWO MORE.

AT SOME POINT, I'M NOT SURE WHICH ORDER OR WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT ONE OF THEM IS GOING TO REALLY FOCUS ON BUILDER DEVELOPERS.

I SUSPECT THEY'RE GOING TO COME OUT WHEN THE RULES START TO CHANGE.

THAT'S WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO START TO GET EXCITED AND THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO GET INVOLVED. AND THE OTHER ONE IS GOING TO BE REALLY WORKING ONE ON ONE WITH CITY COUNCILS AND CITY STAFFS TO UNDERSTAND HOW DO WE INCORPORATE IN MODIFY ORDINANCES OR INCORPORATE THIS INTO CURRENT LAND DEVELOPMENT REGS.

SO COMMUNITY HELP, WE CAN ASK OUR COMMUNITY TO IMPLEMENT LED STRATEGIES ON THEIR PROPERTY TO SUPPORT TREE PROTECTION ORDINANCES AND ALADDIN OPEN SPACE ORDINANCES.

CALL YOUR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND OF COURSE, PLANT A TREE.

AND THEN I JUST SUGGEST THAT THIS IS IN FLORIDA.

STORMWATER MANAGEMENT CAN BE BEAUTIFUL.

I MEAN, WHO WOULD NOT WANT TO LIVE ON THAT STREET AND LOOK AT THE BLOCK, HOW YOU CAN SEE FROM THAT VISUAL, HOW MUCH OF THE RAIN IS BEING PROTECTED FROM HITTING THE ROAD? AND THAT'S ALL I GOT. THANK YOU.

I HOPE I DIDN'T TAKE UP TOO MUCH TIME.

THANK YOU. I THINK, DO I HAVE TIME TO ANSWER QUESTIONS? I THINK WE'LL MAKE TIME FOR YOU TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

I DO THINK WE PROBABLY ALL HAVE SOME.

WE'LL JUST BEGIN MAYBE HERE ON MY LEFT IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS.

MISS CONLEY, IF YOU HAVE ANY, YOU COULD BEGIN US.

VERY INTERESTED IN THE CONFERENCE.

IT'S WELL THOUGHT OUT, AND IT'S TIMELY MATERIAL, AND I THINK PALM BAY SHOULD BE A LEADER.

WE HAVE FOUND WE'RE STARTING AT THE BEGINNING WITH.

UNDEVELOPED. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MAYBE HOW SINCE OUR COUNCIL HAS NOT SIGNED UP.

EVERYBODY'S GOING. WELL, THAT'S MY QUESTION, HOW WE CAN GET PEOPLE MORE PEOPLE ENGAGED, MAYBE EVEN REPRESENTATIVES FROM OUR SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY BOARD AND WORK WITH OTHER COMMUNITIES.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT AND FOR YOUR KIND WORDS.

SAVE THE IRS SCHLAUG, GO TO THE WEBSITE.

I'M GOING TO HAND OUT THE REGISTRATION INFORMATION AND I THINK THAT'LL THAT'LL GUIDE YOU ON HOW TO REGISTER OR GET INVOLVED IN THE.

YES, I'VE BEEN.

I THINK THE MAYOR AND VICE MAYOR HAVE BEEN SO EXCITED ABOUT THIS CONFERENCE.

IF THERE'S A DELAY, IT'S PROBABLY THEM FIGHTING OVER WHO'S GONNA GET THEIR FREE SEAT.

YOU KNOW, I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THE CITY OF BOMBAY IS GOING TO BE REPRESENTED.

THEY JUST HAVEN'T REGISTERED CAN GET THAT.

I DO I GET TO MEET WITH SUZANNE SHERMAN OCCASIONALLY.

MISS SNYDER.

THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION.

I BELIEVE I'VE ACTUALLY SEEN IT BEFORE, AND IT WAS IT WAS GREAT, AND IT'S REALLY IT'S REALLY MADE ME PASSIONATE ABOUT STORM WATER.

MY ONE QUESTION IS IN YOUR EXPERIENCE OR DO YOU KNOW OF ANY OTHER CITIES WHO HAVE IMPLEMENTED THIS? AND DO THEY HAVE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF GREEN SPACE THAT THEY DECIDED THAT THE COUNTY OR THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE WHEN IT HAS BEEN MANDATED? OH, THE PERCENTAGE OF GREENSPACE SO DIFFERENT.

SO I'M GOING TO SAY YES.

AND WHICH IS PROBABLY NOT VERY HELPFUL, SO YES, THERE ARE CITIES THAT HAVE IMPLEMENTED IT IN COUNTIES THAT HAVE IMPLEMENTED IT.

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE SPECIFICITY OF THEIR OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT AND THAT SO FOR EXAMPLE, AND WE'RE GOING TO HEAR ABOUT THIS FROM THEM.

BUT PINELLAS COUNTY'S GOAL WAS REDEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THEY'RE LIKE COCOA BEACH.

THEY'RE THAT LITTLE PENINSULA ON THE OTHER SIDE OF TAMPA BAY COMPLETELY BUILT OUT SO THEY DON'T HAVE ANY CHOICE. IF THEY'RE GOING TO REDEVELOP, THEY'VE GOT TO PUT STORMWATER SOMEWHERE. SO THEIR GOAL IS REDEVELOPMENT.

SO THEIR ORDINANCE IS ABOUT REDEVELOPMENT, SO THEY'RE NOT REALLY KEEN ON OPEN SPACE.

IN THEIR ORDINANCE, ALACHUA COUNTY WAS THE FIRST ONE, AND HE'S COMING TO TO AND THAT'S WHY I PICKED THOSE TWO, BECAUSE THEY'RE TOTALLY DIFFERENT GOALS.

ONE IS ABOUT URBANIZATION REDEVELOPMENT AND ONE IS ABOUT OPEN SPACE PROTECTION.

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AND THEN THERE ARE QUESTIONS LIKE IS THE RETENTION POND OPEN SPACE, RIGHT? SO ARE CAN THEY OPEN SPACE, BE RETENTION POND OR CAN THEY BE IN THE PERVIOUS PAVED AREAS, BE OPEN SPACE, YOU KNOW, SO THEN YOUR DEVELOPERS START COMING IN AND NEGOTIATING.

SO BUT THAT'S GOOD, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO KNOW, THAT'S THE CONVERSATION WE WANT TO HAVE WITH DEVELOPERS.

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE ADDRESS THAT? HOW DO WE ACCOMMODATE THIS FOR YOU? SO SO YES, THERE ARE.

AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK IS SUPER IMPORTANT FOR US TO VISUALIZE HERE IS HOW HAVE OTHER PEOPLE DONE IT? AND I'VE ASKED THESE TWO PRESENTERS TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WORKED AND WHAT HASN'T SO THAT THEY'LL BE, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY SHARING WITH US THEIR LESSONS LEARNED.

BUT YEAH, THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION.

SIR, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR WORK ON OUR BEHALF AND SAVING THE EARL.

I HAVE SEEN WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE EXTREMELY UGLY RETENTION PONDS ON EITHER SIDE OF NINETY FIVE BY THE ENTRANCE RAMPS HERE IN PALM BAY, AND I'VE BEEN WONDERING ABOUT CONVERTING THOSE TO WETLAND. IF THERE'S ENOUGH SPACE TO DO THAT TO A WET MARSH THAT, YOU KNOW, SEASONALLY WET MARSH AND THE FEASIBILITY AND THE COST YOU HAVE.

IS THAT THE KIND OF THING LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT IS ABOUT? CAN YOU WORK WITH A THAT SIZE RETENTION POND AND TURN IT INTO SOMETHING ELSE? I THINK, OH, DEFINITELY.

AND I THINK I REMEMBER.

SO IS THAT AN EFFORT? IS IT DOTS, POND OR YOURS? SO YOU HAVE TO GET THEM TO DO IT, BUT SO THERE ARE WAYS TO IMPROVE EXISTING RETENTION PONDS, FOR SURE, IT DEPENDS ON HOW DEEP IT IS.

BUT EVEN LIKE THE NEW DESIGNS? THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE MORE LIKE A SHALLOW AREA WITH MORE LATERAL VEGETATION, SO IF YOU CAN PLANT YOUR SIDES, YOUR RETENTION POND WITH PLANTS, EMERGENT VEGETATION, SUBMERGING VEGETATION, CYPRESS TREES, THINGS LIKE THAT.

THEN IT STARTS TO APPROACH A WETLAND.

THE CHALLENGE IS SOME OF THEM ARE REALLY DEEP, SO YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO UNLESS THEY'RE GOING TO FILL UP. SO THEY NEED CAPACITY, ESPECIALLY FOR SIX LANE ROADS.

THEY'RE NEVER GOING TO FILL UP A 15 FOOT DEEP RETENTION POND TO MAKE A WETLAND, WHICH NEEDS TO BE MARGINAL, YOU KNOW? BUT THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THEY CAN DO.

THERE ARE OTHER THINGS YOU CAN DO WITH THE RETENTION PONDS OF THE CITY.

THERE ARE THESE FLOATED VEGETATED ISLANDS ARE CALLED B.

THEY WORK JUST LIKE THEIR VEGETATION.

YOU KNOW, THE VEGETABLE, THE VEGETABLES.

THE VEGETATION IS FLOATING LIKE AN ISLAND, AND THEN THE ROOTS ARE IN THE WATER.

SO THEY ARE ABSORBING THE NUTRIENTS AND GROWING.

THEY NEED TO BE MAINTAINED JUST LIKE.

ANY ANY KIND OF EMERGENT VEGETATION.

IT'S BETTER TO REMOVE IT THAN IT IS TO KILL IT AND LET IT SINK TO THE BOTTOM AND ROT, BECAUSE WHEN YOU KILL IT AND SINK TO THE BOTTOM AND ROT, IT RELEASES ALL OF THAT NUTRIENT, WHICH FUELS ALGAE BLOOMS AND MAKES FISH KILLS HAPPEN.

AND THEN THEY ALL STARTS THAT CYCLE.

SO REMOVING THE EMERGENT VEGETATION BE DO THAT.

SO YOU PLANT IT.

THEY GROW, THEY MAKE FLOWERS, THEY LOOK BEAUTIFUL, YOU PULL THEM IN, YOU TAKE OUT THE FLOWERS, YOU REPLANT, SEND IT OUT.

IT TAKES UP NITROGEN PLANTS, PRETTY FLOWERS, PULL IT OUT, ET CETERA.

BUT THERE ARE WAYS TO DO THAT YOU CAN RETROFIT.

IS THAT WORD YOU CAN KIND OF REDO AN EXISTING STRUCTURE? DEFINITELY. I DON'T KNOW IF EFFORT WOULD DO IT, BUT SOMEBODY COULD.

SOMEDAY. YES.

BE THE CHANGE, HAVE SO MANY QUESTIONS.

WITH BUILDING SITES IN PALM BAY AND ALL OF THE NEW HOME CONSTRUCTION.

IS IT EVEN POSSIBLE BECAUSE OF OUR.

I MEAN, WE'RE BUILDING UP THE SITES FOR A REASON, RIGHT? LIKE, HOW DO YOU ADDRESS THE NEED? YOU HAVE DRAINAGE ON A SITE WITHOUT CREATING THIS PROBLEM OF HAVING AN IMPERMEABLE FOUNDATION? YEAH.

SO THE THE BEST THING TO DO IS TO PUT THINGS ON A HIP WALL OR OR STILTS, RIGHT? SO IF YOU'RE THAT'S ACTUALLY THE BEST THING TO DO IF WE BUILT EVERYTHING ON STILTS AND LET THE STORMWATER GO UNDERNEATH THE HOUSES.

THEN AGAIN, YOU WOULDN'T REALLY HAVE STORMWATER RUNOFF.

SHE WOULD JUST BE STORING YOUR OWN STORMWATER UNDERNEATH YOUR HOUSE, WHICH IS BUILT ON HIT BALLS FROM WHERE WE USED TO BUILD HOUSES ON HIT BALLS.

SO THAT FLOODING WOULDN'T COME IN THE DOOR, BUT IT'S ALSO KIND OF THE SAME IDEA WITH YOU CAN PUT STORM WATER ON YOUR HOUSES AND IT'S.

AND IT'LL PERCOLATE DOWN AND NOT YOU DON'T HAVE TO RAISE THE WHOLE PROPERTY, YOU CAN JUST BUILD THE STRUCTURE ON A HIP WALL OR SOMETHING HIGHER, DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU EXPECT THE FLOODWATERS TO LOOK LIKE.

ARE THERE COMMUNITIES THAT THERE ARE THOSE? WELL, CERTAINLY THE KEYS, RIGHT? HAVE YOU BEEN DOWN THERE LATELY? EVERYTHING BUILT IS BUILT ON GIANT STILTS NOW.

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I WANT TO SAY SEASIDE, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S THAT HORRIBLE THING IN THE NEWS AND THEY'RE CALLED SEASIDE ALSO.

SO IT'S SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

IT'S UP IN THE PANHANDLE GOING TOWARDS.

PENSACOLA. BUT THEY DID THE SAME THING THEY BUILT, BUT THEY'RE ALSO COASTAL, SO THEY'RE THEY'RE BUILDING UP BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO LOSE ALL THOSE HOUSES WITH THE NEXT HURRICANE. BUT IT'S THE SAME THING, YOU KNOW, THE SAME FLOODING THAT CAN HAPPEN ON THE COAST, IT CAN HAPPEN INLAND.

DURING A HURRICANE. SO AT OUR LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING, THEY APPROVED OUR PLAN.

EXCELLENT. AND CONGRATULATIONS.

THANK YOU. IT WAS A MILESTONE.

YEAH. THE THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY ACROSS THE BOARD FOR THE THE COUNCIL, AS THEY EXPRESSED IT TO US WAS THE EARL AND.

WARM WATER AND WATER QUALITY ISSUES, SO OUR OPPORTUNITY IS TO CAPITALIZE ON THEIR EXCITEMENT AND TO PRIORITIZE THAT AS WE TRANSITION FROM MAKING A PLAN TO IMPLEMENTING A PLAN. SO WHAT WOULD BE YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO US AS FAR AS WHERE DO WE BEGIN? WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT WE CAN DO IN OUR CITY AS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO OUR CITY COUNCIL? WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO START IMPLEMENTING FIRST? WELL, THAT'S A DARN GOOD QUESTION.

IT DEPENDS ON.

THE SITUATION, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT.

COME TO THE CONFERENCE AND ESPECIALLY DAY ONE, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO GET THAT PRESENTATION ON HOW DO PEOPLE THINK THROUGH THE ORDINANCE MAKING PROCESS AND WHY THEY MAKE THE DECISIONS THAT THEY DO? AND THAT'S PROBABLY THE ORDER.

SO IF YOU'RE IF WHAT I'M I'M FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE WAY OF THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, THE WRITING'S ON THE WALL.

WE CAN'T KEEP DOING THINGS THE WAY WE'VE BEEN DOING.

I'M GOING TO EXPECT A DIFFERENT RESULT.

SO LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENTS COMING.

THE STATEWIDE STORMWATER RULE IS GOING TO REINFORCE IT.

IF YOU WANT TO GET AHEAD OF IT, YOU WOULD FIGURE OUT SO I WOULD SUGGEST A PROCESS THAT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE THIS.

WHAT IS THE GOAL? IT MIGHT BE IN YOUR CASE THAT WE HAVE 60 PERCENT OF OUR COMMUNITY TO BUILD OUT, AND WE WANT TO PROTECT AS MUCH GREEN SPACE AS POSSIBLE AND USE THAT GREEN SPACE FOR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND INFILTRATION.

SO YOU COME UP WITH YOUR GOAL, WHATEVER IT'S GOING TO BE, AND THEN YOU GO, OK, SO IF OUR GOAL IS ABOUT OPENING UP GREEN SPACE AND USING IT FOR STORMWATER, WHAT PREVENTS THAT FROM HAPPENING NOW? AND THEN YOU GO THROUGH YOUR COMP PLAN LEVEL FIRST AND YOU LOOK AT YOUR COMP PLAN AND YOU MODIFY YOUR COMP PLAN TO ACCOMMODATE THAT VISION BECAUSE THAT'S THE VISION LEVEL OF.

OF PLANNING.

AND THEN YOU GO FROM YOUR COMP PLAN, WE COMP PLAN, SOMETIMES WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHICH REGS OR ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOURS LOOK LIKE, BUT THEN YOU GO TO THOSE REGS AND YOU FIGURE OUT AT THE REGULATION LEVEL, HOW DO YOU INCENTIVIZE OR DISINCENTIVIZE IT OR JUST LOOK FOR, LIKE I SAID, THE CODES AND THERE MAY BE CODES THAT NOBODY EVEN REMEMBERS, YOU KNOW, CODES LIKE YOU CAN'T TIE YOUR ELEPHANT TO THE PARKING METER, YOU KNOW, THAT STILL EXIST ON BOOKS IN SOME PLACES. SARASOTA, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE MAY BE CODES IN YOUR CURRENT BOOKS THAT ARE PROHIBITING THIS.

SO LOOK FOR THOSE SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY IS.

SO IF A HOMEOWNER WALKS IN TOMORROW AND SAYS, I WANT TO PUT IMPERVIOUS PAVERS, ARE THEY EVEN GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO, YOU KNOW, IF A RESIDENT WANTS TO DO THIS? CAN IT BE ACCOMMODATED? THAT MIGHT BE THE EASIEST THING, RIGHT? THE EASIEST THING IS JUST TO ACCOMMODATE THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DO IT FIRST AND THEN BECAUSE THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOING TO BE A A LONG CONVERSATION.

AND WHAT JUST HAPPENED IN TALLAHASSEE THIS YEAR IS KIND OF KIBOSHED WHAT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS CAN DO ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.

BUT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

IT'S ACTUALLY BEING LEGALLY CHALLENGED ALREADY.

BUT HOPEFULLY IT'S GOING TO GO AWAY BECAUSE THEY REALLY DID, LIKE I SAID, THE STATE IS LOOKING TO PREEMPT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS RIGHT NOW.

AND THEY REALLY DID JUST DO PUT A KIBOSH ON WHAT LOCAL GOVERNMENT CAN DO WITH THEIR WITH THE PRIVATE PROPERTY WITHIN THEIR JURISDICTION.

BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO THERE BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO GO AWAY.

IT'S GOING AWAY, JUST VISUALIZE IT GOING AWAY.

SORRY, SORRY.

THANK YOU, DR. SOTO'S.

IT WAS PRETTY INFORMATIVE, AND I GUESS YOU WENT EXACTLY WHERE I WAS GOING BECAUSE I SIT ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD FOR THE CITY, AND THE FIRST THING I LOOKED AT IS OUR CODES AND THE QUESTION I WAS GOING TO ASK AS MRC HOW ACTUALLY SAT WITH THE CITY OF PALM

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ARE YOU CURRENTLY WORKING WITH THE CITY REGARDING THAT AS WELL IN TERMS OF LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT? SO I THINK A LITTLE BIT, AND THAT'S WHAT MONTE WAS SAYING EARLIER AS I HAVE BEEN INVITED TO HAVE REGULAR CONVERSATIONS WITH SUZANNE SHERMAN, WHICH IS WONDERFUL.

SHE'S GREAT. SHE'S GREAT.

GUYS ARE SUPER LUCKY AND AND THAT I WAS INVITED TO PARTICIPATE IN A VISIONING EXERCISE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

AND THAT'S BUT WE I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO FOLLOW UP LIKE ANY OF THAT.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, MY TIME IS LIMITED, SO I CAN'T I DON'T HAVE THE AVAILABILITY TO SPEND THAT MUCH TIME WITH ANY INDIVIDUAL CITY TO GO THROUGH THEIR CODE CODES AND FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.

SOME OF THE CONSULTANTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE HERE CAN DO THAT FOR THE CITY.

YOU KNOW, THEY YOU CAN HIRE THEM AND THEY'LL GO THROUGH AND DO A FANTASTIC JOB.

BUT BUT NO, I HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT YET, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE I DO BELIEVE THAT THE FIRST THING WE WOULD NEED TO DO AGREE, DETERMINE ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE HEARD A LOT OF PEOPLE, WE TALK ABOUT TREES BECAUSE WHEN I SIT ON THE BOARD, THEY KNOW ME FOR TREE SURVEY OR THEY KNOW ME TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE INCLUDING AND HAVING THOSE, YOU KNOW, GREEN SPACES SAVED.

BUT WHAT I'VE HEARD IS THAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO PUT THESE BIG TREES IN BECAUSE OF HURRICANES WHEN THEY COME.

NOW, OF COURSE, THEY JUST BLEW DOWN.

EVERYTHING IS DO YOU FIND THAT AS AN ISSUE AND PEOPLE BRING THAT UP OR YEAH, PEOPLE BRING THAT UP? WHAT WAS THE SOLUTION? I CALL THEM TREE HATERS.

OK? NO. SO I MEAN, ALL YOU CAN DO IS REASSURE PEOPLE THAT IT'S UNLIKELY BECAUSE ESPECIALLY WITH OAKS, YOU KNOW, OAKS DON'T USUALLY SHOT OR DURING STORM EVENTS.

AUSTRALIAN PINES DO, FOR SURE.

YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE SO, SO AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT MUCH YOU CAN DO IF YOU KNOW FOR RESIDENTS GOING TO TAKE DOWN THEIR OAK TREE BECAUSE THEY'RE AFRAID IT'S GOING TO FALL IN THEIR HOUSE. THE CITY, YOU KNOW, CAN'T SAY MUCH ABOUT IT.

SADLY, THE NEIGHBORS, CAN THEY DO? OH, REALLY? YEAH.

AND JUST ONE OTHER THING IN LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT, THE WAY WE HAVE POWER LINES SET UP, DOES THAT COME? IS THAT A PART OF IT WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT VERSUS HAVING RUNNING ON THE GROUND VERSUS STILL HAVING THOSE? DOES THAT BECOME? SAY IT AGAIN? POWER LINES, YES.

THE WAY THAT WE HAVE THEM. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IN NORTHEAST BOMBAY, WE DON'T.

IN SOME AREAS, COUNTRY CLUB ERA, THE PARK LINES ARE UNDERGROUND, OK, VERSUS WHEN WE CONTINUE TO DEVELOP HERE IN THE SOUTHEAST, OTHER AREAS IN TERMS OF LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT. DOES THAT PLAY A ROLE AT ALL IN TERMS OF HOW WHERE THE ELECTRICAL UTILITIES ARE LOCATED? PROBABLY.

AND BECAUSE.

WELL, SADLY, RIGHT NOW, IT'S OFTEN THE CASE, THE SITE, THE DEVELOPMENT SITE IS GOING TO BE CLEARED ENTIRELY AND THEY'RE GOING TO SAVE THE LITTLE TREES MAYBE ARE ON THE EDGE.

SO THOSE POOR LITTLE TREES THAT ARE LEFT ARE UNDER THE POWER LINES, YOU KNOW, SO THAT YOU END UP WITH THESE TREES THAT THEY KEEP HACKING INTO FUN SHAPES TO GO AROUND THE POWER LINES AND THEY'RE NOT VERY HAPPY TREES, YOU KNOW? SO I THINK THAT AS FAR AS THAT'S CONCERNED, YES, YOU'VE GOT AN ISSUE WITH ABOVE HAD UTILITY LINES THAT ARE GOING TO IMPEDE THE GROWTH OF THE BEAUTIFUL STORMWATER TREES THAT ARE GOING TO PROTECT YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND YOUR STORMWATER.

THE THERE ARE A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT YOU CAN PUT TREES IN URBAN SETTINGS NOW. SO THE WHOLE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T PLANT TREES TOO CLOSE TO THE SIDEWALK BECAUSE ARE GOING TO CRACK OUR SIDEWALKS, THAT'S ALL BEEN SOLVED.

THAT LED THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PUTTING TREES IN NEW YORK CITY HAVE FIGURED OUT HOW TO DO THAT WITHOUT DESTROYING THE SIDEWALKS NOW SO THAT, I THINK IS GOING TO BE ADDRESSED.

AND BUT THE, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC PERCEPTION AND I THINK THESE ARE PEOPLE NOT FROM HERE, THAT OAK TREES ARE A MAJOR HAZARD THAT ARE GOING TO DESTROY THEIR HOUSE IS, YOU KNOW, JUST HARD TO GET OVER. IT'S ALMOST LIKE A VALUE SYSTEM THAT YOU JUST CAN'T CHANGE.

YOU JUST CHALK THEM UP AS A TREE HATER AND LET THEM GO.

BUT WHAT I, I THINK, IS THAT THERE AREN'T AS MANY OF THEM AS YOU THINK THAT THEY EXIST.

YES, YOU HEAR ABOUT THEM.

YES, BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE THE ONES ARTICULATING THEIR OUTRAGE AT THE FACT THAT YOU WANT THEM TO KEEP THEIR TREE.

BUT THERE AREN'T VERY MANY.

I THINK MAYBE ONE IN 10 PERSONS IS LIKE THAT.

MAYBE EVEN FEWER.

I WOULD HOPE. BUT YEAH, WE JUST HAD ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL OAK NEIGHBORHOODS OVER ON

[00:55:02]

TWO OF MY BOARD MEMBERS LIVE ALONG THE ROAD IN THE HOUSE, NEXT DOOR TO ONE, AND ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE OTHER CLEARED THEIR OAK TREES.

EVERYBODY'S GOT TWO OR THREE OF THESE FANTASTIC OAKS, AND THEN THIS HOUSE, THEY MOVE IN.

THEY'RE LIKE, OH, WELL, IT'S GOING TO FOLLOW.

MY HOUSE TOOK THEM ALL OUT, SO THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD IS LIKE, NO.

SO THEY SCORN THEM.

IT DOES. AND THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD SAY, I LOVE YOU HAVE GIVEN US SOME REALLY GOOD IDEAS, ECO ART AND THAT SORT OF THING, WHICH I THINK WE CAN REALLY IMPLEMENT IN OUR IN OUR CITY TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT ONLY PRETTY, BUT ACTUALLY FUNCTIONAL ALSO.

YEAH, COOL.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

NO. AND MR. SCHNEIDER, ARE WE? YES, WE HAVE TO SNYDERS NOW.

I KNOW WE HAVE A SUSAN PHILLIPS.

WE HAVE A TYPO AGAIN, I'M SORRY, THEN I CALLED YOU, SUSAN, BY THE WRONG NAME.

MRS. SNYDER IS AT HOME.

THANK YOU. THIS WAS INCREDIBLY INFORMATIVE AND HELPFUL FOR ME.

I FEEL LIKE TERRIBLE FOLLOWING UP AMAZING QUESTIONS, BUT I DO HAVE ONE THAT HASN'T BEEN ASKED YET. EXACTLY.

WE'VE KIND OF BEEN HINTING AT IT, BUT I AM A PERSON OF ACTION, RIGHT? AND SO WHAT'S AN EASY WIN? SOMETHING SMALL SOMETHING THAT YOU THINK THE CITY OF PALM BAY COULD DO IS START MAKING A MORE IMMEDIATE IMPACT IN THIS AREA.

NOW, EVEN. UH, OK, WELL, I'VE GOT A GIANT LIST.

I'M READY. SO IT'S THE SMALL ONE.

SO WHEN I SUGGESTED THAT ACCOMMODATING YOUR RESIDENTS DOING IT WOULD BE AN EASY THAT'S A LOW HANGING FRUIT WIN, RIGHT? JUST LOOKING THROUGH CODE AND MAKING SURE YOU'RE NOT PREVENTING SOMEBODY.

AND THEN THERE'S LIKE REALLY, REALLY EASY THINGS LIKE OFFERING STORMWATER UTILITY.

EITHER, I GUESS, REDUCTIONS, I DON'T KNOW, DO YOU HAVE A STORMWATER UTILITY HERE? OK, YOU DO THANK YOU.

THAT'S WHY I KEEP HESITATING.

I'M LIKE, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU HAVE ONE, BUT YOU CAN USE THAT TAX TO SAY THAT IF YOU DO A B C, WE WILL REDUCE YOUR TAX RATE.

IF YOU PUT IN A CISTERN OR YOU SAVE SO MANY TREES OR SO YOU HAVE A FEE THAT YOU CAN USE AS A YOU KNOW, AS INCENTIVE DISINCENTIVE, YOU CAN SAY WE'LL REDUCE YOUR FEE IF YOU DO IT THIS WAY. THAT MIGHT THAT MIGHT BE EASIER.

THAT MIGHT BE AN EASY WIN.

DOING THE RAIN BARREL, YOU KNOW, $50 REBATE IS A SUPER, SUPER EASY WIN.

DOING THINGS ON YOUR OWN PROPERTY IS AN AWESOME AND VERY REWARDING SUPER WIN AND COME TO THE CONFERENCE IN.

CONTINUE TO HAVE THIS MEANINGFUL CONVERSATION.

I MEAN, I DON'T THINK WE CAN PRETEND THAT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THE GIANT BARGE OF DEVELOPMENT OVERNIGHT, WE'RE NOT DOING IT WITH ONE CONFERENCE.

THIS IS GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE WHILE COUPLE OF YEARS.

STAY IN THE CONVERSATION AND BE A LEADER.

NO SHOW BREVARD COUNTY PALM BAY IS GOING TO LEAD THIS.

WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU ALL HOW TO DO IT.

DO IT, BE THE LEADERS.

YOU'VE GOT THE GREATEST POTENTIAL AND YOU'VE GOT THE RIGHT ATTITUDE IN YOUR CITY COUNCIL AND YOUR LEADERSHIP RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S AN EASY ONE, AND THAT'LL BE VERY FULFILLING.

HMM. NOT LIVE, BUT ALSO IT IS REALLY GOOD TO HEAR, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE HAVE SOME GOOD ACTION ITEMS THAT WE CAN TAKE AND START WORKING ON IN THE IMMEDIATE FUTURE AS WE DO WORK TO MOVE THE BIG DEVELOPMENT SHIP.

SO MUCH MY PLEASURE.

AND JUST TO SO, YOU KNOW, THE CONFERENCE IS TWO DAYS, IT'S TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS, BUT IF YOU WANT TO SHARE YOUR REGISTRATION, SO IF LIKE ONE WANTS TO COME ONE DAY OR I'M ITALIAN AND KIND OF TALK LIKE THIS, YOU CAN SHARE IT.

YOU CAN ONE PERSON COULD PAY, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD SHARE THE REGISTRATION FEE AND YOU CAN SHARE ONE PERSON COMES ONE DAY AND ONE PERSON COMES THE OTHER.

JUST IF YOU HAVE A HARD TIME GETTING OUT OF WORK OR SO ON FOR TWO DAYS, JUST THAT'S WHY I GUESS IT'S MY TURN. IT'S YOUR TURN, MADAM CHAIR, SAY IS THE BEST FOR LAST YEAR.

LET ME JUST LEAVE WITH GRATITUDE.

DR. SOTO, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING TONIGHT.

BUT BUT MOREOVER, THANKS FOR WHAT YOU DO.

THANKS FOR WHAT YOU DO.

AND AN OBSERVATION I MADE ABOUT YOU THAT I MUST SHARE IS YOU MAKE SCIENCE SO CONVERSATIONAL. IT'S AMAZING.

IT'S AMAZING YOU.

WE WERE JUST WE WERE JUST CHIT CHATTING AND YOU ALLUDED TO SOME PRETTY DEEP BIOLOGY.

YOU KNOW THAT FLORIDA STATE EDUCATION, A FELLOW NOLE HERE.

YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A LOT TO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, BUT YOU JUST DELIVERED IT SO EASILY THAT THE CONVERSATION YOU KEEP GOING.

THAT'S A SKILL THAT'S ONLY FOUND WITH A DEEP ROOTED KNOWLEDGE.

SO THANK YOU FOR LETTING THAT SHOW.

[01:00:02]

SHE'S IN KINDERGARTEN AND I'M AT THAT VERY TOO YOUNG TO LEARN.

YEAH, WE ALL GO THROUGH AS A PRIOR TO THE CONFERENCE EXACTLY WHERE YOU LOOK AT YOUR BABY WHEN THEY'VE CONVERTED INTO KID AND YOU GO, OH MAN, THEN THAT'S GOING TO BE A CONVERSION INTO TEEN, ADULT AND SO ON.

AND YOU KNOW, WHAT I WANT FOR MY DAUGHTER IS WHAT EVERYONE WANTS, AND THAT'S JUST A BRIGHT FUTURE AND A SUSTAINABLE FUTURE.

THAT'S WHY WE ALL SIT HERE.

BUT MOREOVER, WHAT I WANT IS HER TO BE ABLE TO HAVE AN IMPACT.

AND WHEN YOU'RE ABLE TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER LIKE THIS AND SPEAK TO IT SO WELL, IT OPENS DOORS TO OUR YOUTH AND THE YOUTH IN OUR COMMUNITY.

HOW GREAT WOULD IT BE IF WE COULD GET THE YOUTH OF OUR COMMUNITY OUT TO THE LAGOON HOUSE MORE OFTEN AND GETTING IN THE MUCK AND HAVING MUCK TALK? IT'D BE FANTASTIC AND YOUR KNOWLEDGE IS THERE AND IT'S THERE AND IT'S AVAILABLE FOR OUR COMMUNITY. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

I HAD A COUPLE OF VARIOUS DIFFERENT NOTES AND QUESTIONS AND SO ON, BUT I DON'T WANT TO TAKE TOO MUCH OF ANYONE'S TIME.

SO I JUST WANT TO ASK YOUR OPINION ABOUT OUR STORMWATER SYSTEM IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

AS YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED, WE DON'T HAVE DRAINS, WE HAVE DITCHES.

NOW OUR DEVELOPMENTS THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THE PROBLEM OR THE PICTURES THAT YOU HAVE, THEY HAVE DRAINS, BUT WE GOT DITCHES.

SO WITH THAT, I SEE ONE POSITIVE, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S IT'S GOING ON TO GROUND.

SO SOME OF IT'S GOING TO PERCOLATE AS YOU SO ELOQUENTLY PUT IT AND SO ON.

BUT I ALSO SEE DISADVANTAGES BECAUSE EVERYTHING THAT'S THERE IS GOING TO MOVE ALONG AND IT'S OPEN AIR AND IT'S NOT CONTAINED AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

SO FRANKLY, I'VE ALWAYS BEEN AGAINST THE FACT THAT I HAVE A DITCH IN MY FRONT YARD THAT CONNECTS TO THE ONE OF MY NEIGHBOR'S FRONT YARD.

BUT I WANTED TO ASK FROM YOUR VERY EDUCATED OPINION, HOW SUSTAINABLE IS PALM BAY'S STORMWATER SYSTEM? IS IT SOMETHING THAT THAT WE CAN CARRY ON WITH FOR GENERATIONS? OR DO WE NEED TO LOOK INTO PUTTING IN A REAL STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM WITH THE MONEY THAT WE CHARGE OUR CITIZENS EVERY MONTH? I DON'T KNOW WHAT A REAL STORMWATER SYSTEM IS THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, BUT THE DITCHES ARE GOOD. THOSE ARE CALLED SWALES.

WE USED TO WE DID A BROCHURE CALLED SAVE THE SOILS YEARS AGO BECAUSE THEY WERE BEING REPLACED WITH CURB AND GUTTER.

BUT DITCHES ARE OUR THE ORIGINAL LED SO BY OUR ATTENTION OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT. BUT THE KEY WHAT'S KEY TO THOSE IS THEY HAVE TO BE MAINTAINED AND THEY HAVE TO MAINTAIN THEIR ABILITY TO PERCOLATE.

SO WHEN THEY START TO FILL UP AND NOT PERCOLATE, THEN THEY'RE NOT FUNCTIONING AS LEAD ANYMORE, AND THEY'RE ALMOST LIKE GRAY INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO THE SUSTAINABILITY OF OF PALM BAY STORMWATER MANAGEMENT IS REALLY RELATED TO SEA LEVEL RISE, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE A BIG CHALLENGE FOR YOU ALL.

AND I THINK IT'S AS FAR AS YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING AND VISIONING OVER THE NEXT 50 YEARS. I MEAN, WE'RE VISIONING FOR 30.

I THINK YOU'RE PROBABLY VISIONING FOR 30 ALSO, BUT THAT YOU'RE YOU'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT A REAL SITUATION IN THE NEXT 30 YEARS.

WAS SEA LEVEL COMING UP AND WHAT SEA LEVEL COMES UP? GROUNDWATER COMES UP.

SO WHEN YOUR GROUNDWATER IS ALREADY ONLY 11 INCHES FROM THE SURFACE AND NOW YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER NINE INCHES OF PRESSURE PUSHING, THEN YOUR GROUND WATERS ARE THREE INCHES, RIGHT? SO WHERE ARE YOU PUTTING YOUR GROUNDWATER? WHERE ARE YOU PUTTING YOUR STORMWATER? SO IT IS. IT'S IT'S IT'S GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE.

AND THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING, I THINK WHAT'S KEY IS YOUR OPEN SPACE.

THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT YOUR STORMWATER.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAINTAIN AS MUCH OF THOSE LOW AREAS YOUR WATER, YOUR WETLANDS AND YOUR COASTAL ZONE, HIGH HAZARD AREAS AS OPEN SPACE AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO FLOOD.

AND THEN YOU CAN JUST, YOU KNOW, EXPAND THOSE TO ENABLE THE FLOOD POTENTIAL THAT'S COMING. SO IT'S. GOING TO BE I REALLY FEEL LIKE WITH YOUR WITH YOUR CITY, IT'S GOING TO NEED TO START AT THAT BIG PICTURE, COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING, LAND DEVELOPMENT, COASTAL PLANNING LEVEL AND THEN START DRAWING IN WHERE YOU NEED TO START ENABLING THE PROTECTION OF THE GREEN SPACE BECAUSE YOU ARE REALLY LOW AND REALLY FLAT AND ACTUALLY WANTED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THIS AT LENGTH.

IN FACT, YOU SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE HIM COME BACK AND JUST TALK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE BECAUSE THAT IS A, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE MODELED TO DO.

MY COLLEAGUE ACTUALLY CLAUDIA LISTA OF PAY-TO-PLAY TECHNOLOGIES, A GENIUS PERSON.

NOW IT LOOKS SMART, HANGING AROUND WITH GENIUS PEOPLE.

SHE SHE MODELED THE STORMWATER LOADING MODEL FOR BREVARD COUNTY.

THAT AND WHEN SHE MODELED PALM BAY, SHE'S LIKE, HOW ARE THEY NOT UNDERWATER? SO ACCORDING TO MODEL, YOU GUYS ARE UNDERWATER, RIGHT? THE CITY OF PALM BEACH SHOULDN'T EVEN BE EMERGENT.

SO, SO YEAH, IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE MORE AND MORE OF A CHALLENGE TO STAY ABOVE WATER AS SEA LEVEL RISE.

IF I COULD ADD SOMETHING TO THAT, JUST SO THE BOARD AND DR.

SOTO'S WHERE WE ARE CURRENTLY THROUGH RESILIENT FLORIDA FUNDING UNDERGOING A VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT WITH EAST CENTRAL FLORIDA REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL.

SO THEY WILL BE TAKING A LOOK AT OUR STORMWATER MASTER PLAN AND OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE

[01:05:03]

SO THAT PRODUCT IS FANTASTIC.

I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT WE WE SDP IS MANAGING THE GRANT RESOURCES, AND SO WE HOPE TO KICK THAT OFF TOWARDS THE END OF THE YEAR RE BEGINNING OF TWENTY TWENTY TWO.

THERE WAS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF FUNDING THAT CAME THROUGH RESILIENT FLORIDA THAT FDP IS TRYING TO MANAGE.

SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT'S WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, SLOWING IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT.

BUT WE DO HAVE A CONTRACT ON THE TABLE TO START THAT WORK.

YEAH, SO WE'LL BE TAKING A LOOK AT THAT FLOODING HERE IN THE CITY AND MAKING SURE THAT WE PLAN FOR OUR FUTURE IN A SMART WAY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT.

I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT'S GREAT NEWS AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE COMING TO THE CONCERT, A CONCERT. THIS IS A CONCERT TO THE CONFERENCE.

TARA MCHUGH FROM THE EAST COAST REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL WILL BE TALKING ABOUT COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING.

AND RESILIENCY PLANNING.

ALL RIGHT. THAT THAT DOLL I HAVE THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME FOR ALL YOUR KIND WORDS AND YOUR GREAT QUESTIONS. YOU KNOW HOW TO FIND ME.

I'M GOING TO. IT SAID, OK, IF I HAND THIS OUT NOW AND OK, AND I'LL SHARE MY BUSINESS CARD IN HOPE THAT YOU FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO ME IF YOU HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS AND AND CONTINUE YOUR GREAT WORK AND AGAIN, CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR SUSTAINABILITY PLAN.

THAT'S FANTASTIC.

THANK YOU. WELL, SHE IS HANDING THOSE OUT.

[ADOPTION OF MINUTES]

BARACK IS RIGHT HERE. OK, I'LL SECOND IT.

AT THE JULY ONE, HAD THE.

OK, SO ONTO OUR NEW BUSINESS, I'M SORRY, WE HAVE TO CALL THE QUESTION.

OH, I THOUGHT WE WERE SORRY.

ALL IN FAVOR. HI, I'M SORRY.

[1. 2020 Sustainability Action Plan Discussion.]

I HAVE SUCH SUPPORT BEHIND IT.

OUR. WE PLANNED NOW TO GO FROM.

PLANNING, IMPLEMENTING.

CREATING THE PLAN TO IMPLEMENTING THE PLAN.

SO OUR TWO OBJECTIVES THAT THE COUNCIL.

UM. FOCUSED ON OR WANTED US TO PRIORITIZE WHERE THE STORM WATER.

THE WATER QUALITY INITIATIVES AND THEN THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS, THOSE I, AS I RECALL, WERE THE TWO TOP ISSUES THAT THEY WANTED US TO ADDRESS.

SO WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND BEGIN WITH OUR NEXT STEPS ON THIS PLAN AND IMPLEMENTING SOME SOME CHANGES IN THIS FIT REALLY WELL WITH THAT DISCUSSION.

UM, SO WE ARE OPEN FOR DISCUSSION ON HOW HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A NEXT STEP.

AND I HOPE TO HEAR FROM THE BOARD.

NEXT, IN TERMS OF IF WE WERE LOOKING TO DO A WORKSHOP AND OR PICKING OUT ONE SECTION.

FOR EXAMPLE, OUR.

ARE WE GOING TO.

BEGAN PICKING OUT ITEMS FOR ACTION AND BRINGING THEM TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR INDIVIDUAL. UM, OBJECTIVES THAT WE WANT THEM TO START WORKING ON, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE WERE TO. I'M WORK ON THE CITY GOVERNMENT OBJECTIVES FOR LAND AND NOT.

NATURAL, DOES IT LAND IN NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, LAND AND WATER? ARE WE GOING TO DO WE WANT TO START WITH? UM, SOME CONSULTING ON CODES OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

WE'RE. IS IT THE DESIRE OF THE BOARD TO DO ANY FURTHER WORK ON THE PLAN ITSELF BEFORE WE?

[01:10:06]

SO I'M REALLY EXCITED BECAUSE I KNOW THIS IS THIS IS WHERE WE KIND OF GET INTO A LITTLE BIT OF LIKE UNCHARTED TERRITORY, RIGHT, BECAUSE WE SPENT SO LONG JUST PUTTING THE SUSTAINABILITY PLAN TOGETHER AND NOW WITH LIKE, IMPLEMENT SO REALLY EXCITED.

AND I'M JUST PERSONALLY GOING TO SAY THAT I HOPE WE CAN GIVE EACH OTHER A LOT OF GRACE AS WE KIND OF NAVIGATE THE BEGINNING OF THIS PROCESS.

I THINK IT WOULD BE A PRETTY.

A GOOD IDEA IF WE ALIGNED OURSELVES WITH CITY COUNCIL AND WE DEVELOPED TWO PROPOSALS, ONE DEALING WITH ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING AND LOVE TO HEAR FROM, OBVIOUSLY STAFF ON THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT, BUT ESSENTIALLY PUT PROPOSALS TOGETHER THAT WE CAN PRESENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT TIME, SAYING, FOR EXAMPLE, WE WE BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGERS SHOULD EXIST IN THESE LOCATIONS.

IT WOULD COST APPROXIMATELY AS MUCH TO DO SOME OF THE BASIC LEGWORK ALONG WITH STAFF TO PUT THAT TOGETHER AND.

YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE SECOND ONE COULD BE, YOU KNOW, IMPLEMENTING SOME CHANGES TO CODE THAT WOULD PAVE THE WAY AND MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER FOR LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT.

THOSE ARE JUST SOME IDEAS, BUT I THINK THE FORMAT COULD BE IDENTIFYING TWO TO THREE GOALS. READING TOGETHER, PROPOSALS CAN BE PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL ON HOW TO REACH THOSE GOALS. BUT I'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM EVERYONE ELSE'S.

THOUGHTS AND IDEAS AS WELL. I KNOW ONE OF THE ITEMS IN OUR LAND ALREADY HAS THE POSSIBILITY OF A REDUCTION OF STORM WATER IF PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO CAPTURE OR, YEAH, A REDUCTION OF THE TAXES, IF THEY'RE ABLE TO CAPTURE AND RETAIN STORM WATER ON SITE.

SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING TO MENTION TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT THEY SHOULD CONSIDER.

SINCE IT WAS BROUGHT UP AGAIN THIS EVENING, AND ANOTHER THING ABOUT THE CODES IS I'M NOT SURE. WELL, THEY TALK ABOUT THEM AS BEING SWALES HERE, THE DITCHES IN OUR FRONT YARDS, AND I THINK THERE WERE RULES AGAINST WHAT YOU COULD PLANT THERE.

AND SOME OF THOSE WOULD PROBABLY BE BETTER LOOKED AT.

YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD LOOK AT THEM AND.

MAKE BETTER RECOMMENDATIONS FOR HOW CAN BE USED BECAUSE TURF GRASS DEFINITELY ISN'T GOOD THERE. BUT OTHER THINGS COULD BE BENEFICIAL IN ACTUALLY SPEEDING THE PERCOLATION DOWN IN THOSE DITCHES AND IN THE SWALES AND JUST TO RETHINK OF THEM AS SWALES INSTEAD OF A DITCH THAT FILLS WITH WATER AND.

THEN EVENTUALLY, THE WATER GOES AWAY SOMEHOW.

SO I HAVE A QUESTION.

THE FIRST THING I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM WITH STAFF IN TERMS OF THIS ACTION PLAN, WHERE IS IT NOW IN TERMS OF PEOPLE IN THE CITY ABLE TO ACCESS THIS PLAN IS IT LOOKED AT AS COMPLETED ONLINE? SO AS I MENTIONED TO, I SENT THE BOARD AN EMAIL LAST TIME AROUND.

IT WILL PROBABLY GOING TO BE MID FALL BEFORE STAFF IS ABLE TO GO THROUGH AND MAKE IT ACCESSIBLE. THAT'S A PROCESS, ESPECIALLY FOR A DOCUMENT OF THAT LENGTH.

SO IT WILL BE AVAILABLE ONLINE ONCE THE LEGISLATIVE DIVISION OF THE CITY IS ABLE TO WORK THROUGH THOSE ISSUES.

AND IT IS CONSIDERED COMPLETE.

SO I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW IS GOING TO BRING THAT UP AT THE END OF THE MEETING, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY CHANGE THE TITLE FROM DRAFT TO PLAN OR MOVE THAT DRAFT REFERENCE AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S WHEN WE DO REFER TO IT.

IT'S REFERRED TO AS THE PLAN.

BUT I COULDN'T PUBLISH IT THAT WAY LAST WEEK BECAUSE COUNCIL HAD NOT YET APPROVED IT SO.

PERFECT, AND SO WHAT I REMEMBER WE'RE LOOKING AT ORIGINALLY WAS AGAIN LOOKING AT THE THE THE GOALS WELL NOW IDENTIFYING THE GOALS THAT WE HAVE.

SO IF IT'S ONE OR TWO OR THREE ITEMS THAT WE'RE GOING TO CHOOSE FROM AND THEN WE SAY THIS RIGHT PUT TOGETHER THE METRICS, WE'LL PUT TOGETHER THE METRICS OF HOW WE WANT TO ACHIEVE THEM. AND THEN ONE OF THE OPTIONS WAS LOOKING AT A WORKSHOP OR TAKING IT TO COUNCIL AND SEE IF THEY WANTED TO WORKSHOP IT MORE.

SO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE HITTING ALL THE LINE ITEMS. WHEN DR.

SOTO MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, CODES THAT THERE'S A LOT OF IT, I MEAN, OR GROWTH MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT PROBABLY NEED TO BE INVOLVED IN ORDER FOR US TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE IN TERMS OF WHAT THINGS NEEDS TO BE ACCOMPLISHED TO ACHIEVE SOME OF THE GOALS.

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SO I THINK FOR US NOW IS TO LOOK AT THOSE I KNOW WE SAID TWO, BUT I THINK IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THREE GOALS, OUR TOP THREE OR FIVE GOALS.

I THINK PROBABLY SET UP THREE GOALS THAT WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH AND THEN FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE WORK WITH COUNCIL AND ONE OF THE WAYS TO WORK WITH COUNCIL WAS THROUGH A WORKSHOP AFTER US DOING THE LEGWORK TOGETHER.

THAT INFORMATION IT'S YOU KNOW, HERE I THINK WE HAVE KIND OF LAID OUT CERTAIN THINGS.

BUT AFTER LISTING HER PRESENTATION, I THINK WE CAN REALLY BE VERY CREATIVE.

THERE'S RAIN BARRELS, REBATES AND THOSE THINGS THAT WE CAN START LOOKING AT HOW TO INCLUDE OR ADD TO SOME OF THESE OPTIONS OUR RAIN GARDENS AND HOW WE GET THE YOUNG PEOPLE INVOLVED. THERE'S A WHOLE FRAMEWORK, BUT I IT HAS TO BE PICKING THOSE THREE, DETERMINE HOW WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH COUNCIL TO ACHIEVE THEM AND TIME FRAME AND PUT IN THE MATRIX TOGETHER TO HAVE THAT TIME FRAME.

THAT'S HOW I LOOK. THE WE DO HAVE THE THE CHALLENGE OF NEVER HAVING DONE THIS BEFORE AND.

HOW WE TRANSITION FROM WRITING THIS PLAN TO IMPLEMENTING IT.

WE COULD USE. MAYBE SOME GUIDANCE FROM I DON'T KNOW IF OUR CITY MANAGER MIGHT HAVE.

SOME GUIDANCE FOR US.

SO I SPOKE WITH SUZANNE CITY MANAGER PRIOR TO OUR MEETING THIS EVENING JUST TO KIND OF CHAT, LET HER KNOW WHERE WE WERE AND WHAT OUR MEETING WAS GOING TO LOOK LIKE THIS EVENING. AND AND SHE ENCOURAGED THE BOARD TO PURSUE THE IDENTIFICATION OF PRIORITIES, THE MAIN PRIORITIES THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO PURSUE FIRST.

I MEAN, SHE SAW THAT AS A FIRST STEP IN MOVING FORWARD.

AND THEN, AS DR.

SOTO KIND OF POINTED OUT, HERE'S OUR PRIORITY NOW.

HOW DO WE GET THERE? SO THE TASK IN THAT ORDER? TALK ABOUT, I BELIEVE PHILIP SAID, SOMETHING ABOUT EV ELECTRIC VEHICLES OR SOMEONE ELSE TALKED ABOUT A RAINBOW PROGRAM.

DECIDE WHAT, WHAT PRIORITY YOU WANT TO PURSUE.

A NEW WATER QUALITY IS IN GENERAL, AN OVERARCHING PRIORITY OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

SO. THOSE FACTS YOU HAVE.

IF THE BOARD AS A WHOLE DECIDES ON ONE PRIORITY, THEY WANT TO START WITH, IDENTIFY THREE AND YOU SAY WE'RE GOING TO START WITH THEM, DO THEM IN THIS ORDER, AND HERE'S NUMBER ONE.

AND THEN YOU CAN KIND OF DISSECT WHAT STEPS YOU NEED TO TAKE AND STAFF CAN ASSIST YOU ON HOW TO ENGAGE THE CITY, DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS OR CITY COUNCIL OR LEADERSHIP AS NEEDED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WORK WITH YOU IN ADVANCING THAT.

YOU HAVE TO DECIDE AS A BOARD WHAT YOU'RE WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO PURSUE AS YOUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY, YOUR FIRST STEP.

WHAT PROJECT DO WE WANT TO DO? YOU MENTIONED HAVING AN ASSESSMENT STARTED OF A FLOOD RISK, DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE ONCE THAT STARTS? YEAH, BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS RESILIENT FLORIDA FUNDING WAS A HUGE, I WANT TO SAY LIKE ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY FIVE BILLION DOLLARS THAT CAME DOWN IN A MONTH'S TIME TO FDA.

SO THEY ARE SCRAMBLING, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, TRYING TO TO TO TO FIELD IT OUT INTO SOME EXISTING PROJECTS AND TO ENGAGE NEW ONES.

WE WERE IN THE PROCESS OF OF ENGAGING WITH THEM TO DEVELOP A VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT FOR THE 40 70 YEAR VISION AND THEN RESILIENT FLORIDA HIT.

AND SO THEY HAD TO REWORK PRETTY MUCH EVERY PROJECT THEY HAD OUT THERE.

OURS IS ONE OF THEM, AND IT WAS IN A POSITIVE WAY BECAUSE THEY EXPANDED IT A LITTLE BIT, BUT LONG AND SHORT. I'M SORRY, I WOULD SAY WHEN WE WE INITIALLY STARTED WORKING ON IT, WE THOUGHT WE WOULD HAVE A CONTRACT SIGNED WITH DEP IN SEPTEMBER.

WELL, IT'S SEPTEMBER. THAT HASN'T HAPPENED.

AND MY BEST GUESS IS IS GOING TO TAKE PROBABLY A YEAR AND A HALF TO TWO YEARS FOR THE ASSESSMENT TO BE DONE.

SO IT'S NOT IT WILL NOT WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE IT THIS SPRING, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING OR THE END OF NEXT YEAR, MORE THAN LIKELY NOT.

I'VE LONG WONDERED ABOUT THE CANALS, I KNOW IT'S A SEPARATE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM AND HOW THEY WILL BE. WHO IS GOING TO COORDINATE THAT BECAUSE THAT'S THE MAJOR FLOOD, YOU KNOW, RISK ASSESSMENT TOOL THAT WE HAVE TO MANAGE THE FLOOD.

SO THIS ASSESSMENT DOES RECOGNIZES THAT WE WE WE AREN'T AN ISLAND, NO PUN INTENDED.

OUR BORDERS DON'T DETERMINE HOW WE FLOOD.

SO WHEN THEY ARE DOING THIS VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT, THEY WILL BE TAKING INTO

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BUT IT'S IN THE CONTEXT OF BEING A MUNICIPALITY WITHIN A LARGER REGION.

AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE MELBOURNE TILLMANN, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

YEP. SO IS IT WE'RE SAYING THIS WITH THE BOARD HERE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT OR JUST TWO PRIORITIES TO WORK WITH AND THEN DISSECT THOSE, OR WE WANT TO ADD A THIRD? I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE BITE OFF A SMALLER CHUNK TO BEGIN WITH.

THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION.

DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER? I'D LIKE TO GO IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION FOR A MOMENT.

THINK THAT WE HAVE A UNIQUE TIME HERE WITH.

ON BAY LAKE, DR.

DESOTO SAID WE CAN BE A LEADER.

AS WE ARE AT THE BEGINNING OF DEVELOPMENT.

THE GREATEST OPPORTUNITY TO INITIATE.

THE IDEA, THE CONCEPT, NOT THE DETAILS, BUT TO BE ON THE GROUND FLOOR.

COUNCIL. THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE AT.

AND WHAT I WOULD SEE AND RECOMMEND IS THAT WE FIRST.

ALIGN OURSELVES WITH CITY COUNCIL AS A PARTNER AND TO KNOW BETTER WHAT NEEDS ARE AND WHAT THE NEXT STEPS ARE.

BUT THE CITY IS LOOKING AT.

UH, DR. DESOTO SAID A SUGGESTION IS TO FIRST ATTEND THE CONFERENCE.

IT WOULD BE GOOD IF WE HAD A REPRESENTATIVE FROM AMONG US.

OH. BE WITH THOSE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

I THINK WHAT WILL COME OUT OF THAT, WHAT SHE SAID IS THE FOCUS IN THE PLUM OF THAT CONFERENCE IS LEARNING ABOUT ORDINANCES AND HOW TO CHANGE THEM, LEARNING HOW TO DEVELOP THEM. WE'RE RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING.

ANYTHING? UM, I THINK.

THAT WOULD BE.

NOW, IN THE END OF THE YEAR, IF WE ATTENDED THAT CONFERENCE, THE.

AT A DESIGNATED PERSON, AND IT COULD BE ROTATED AMONG US WHO GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS AND GIVE SPORTS OR BE AVAILABLE FOR INPUT.

IN DEVELOPMENT.

AND THERE'S THE YOUTH ADVISORY BOARD.

THERE ARE WAYS THAT WE CAN.

OR SECT? ALL THESE GROUPS.

TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT, THE CITY COUNCIL HAS ALREADY IN PROCESS OF SETTING A WORKSHOP FOR DEVELOPMENT. SO THERE IS A PROBLEM HERE WITH OUR COMMUNITY WANTING COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. THERE ARE BARRIERS TO.

HAVING IT EASILY, THE PROCESS IS NOT EASY.

SO I THINK.

THAT COULD BE ONE WAY WE COULD.

I'M VISIBLE AND.

THIS THING IN THE PROCESS.

AND BECOMING A VOICE IN THE PROCESS.

I THINK THE NEXT THING COULD BE TO LOOK AT BUILDING E, WHICH IS.

WELL, BUILDING E IS IN THE PROCESS OF BEING DEVELOPED.

AND I THINK WE COULD.

BUILDING E, THEY'VE HIRED AN ARCHITECT AND.

SO THAT'S AT GROUND LEVEL, THAT'S GOING TO BE RIGHT OVER HERE.

INVISIBLE AND MANY OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO SEE THAT DR.

DE SOTO WAS EVEN TALKING ABOUT IF WE HAD.

UH, GREEN SPACE.

WE HAD THE GUTTERS COMING INTO VEGETATIVE AREAS.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN HAPPEN.

AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS, LENGTHY.

UM. SO MAYBE INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT SPECIFIC OBJECTS.

IT ESTABLISHED AS A AS A AS A BOARD.

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AND. BEGINNING TO.

NO INPUT DEVELOP WAYS THAT WE CAN INPUT BACK TO US AS WELL AS GIVE INPUT.

SO AS FAR AS RECOMMENDATIONS, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE DO HAVE MAYBE A SECONDARY LIST OF LOWER PRIORITIES, POSSIBLY THINGS THAT CAN BE CHANGED FOR LACK OF BETTER WORDS, LOW HANGING FRUIT, SOMETHING THAT MAY BE LIKE A POLICY CHANGE OR SOMETHING THAT WE CAN.

THAT TOO, LIKE ROADS ARE THE.

ALONG WITH OUR TOP PRIORITIES, JUST BECAUSE THEY MAY BE SOMETHING THAT CAN BE PUSHED WITHOUT US DOING MUCH LEGWORK.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO POSSIBLY PUT A DEADLINE ON OUR ON OUR PRIORITIES.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO DECIDE TO GO HOME AND KIND OF THINK OF IT AND BRING IT TO THE NEXT MEETING OR IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT TONIGHT.

I WOULD LIKE TO PUT A DEADLINE ON IT JUST.

FORWARD FROM OUR PRIOR.

ACTION. YOU KNOW, SO I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO GO BACK TO WHAT SUSAN SAID.

WHERE I DEFINITELY AGREE.

YOU KNOW, ATTENDING MEETINGS AND DOING THAT'S JUST ONE THING.

BUT BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE STILL HAVE TO PUT SOMETHING ON PAPER, WE HAVE TO CREATE THAT FRAMEWORK FOR THEM TO FOLLOW AND IMPLEMENT.

WE CAN'T. IT'S NOT JUST LIKE A SUGGESTION TO IMPLEMENT.

IT HAS TO BE IN WRITING.

AND I THINK AS AN ADVISORY BOARD, WE HAVE TO HAVE THOSE LIST OF THINGS THE NEXT STEP AND WHAT WE RECOMMENDED IN WRITING.

SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF PICKING THOSE TWO PRIORITIES AND SAID, OK, WHILE WE ARE GETTING IDEAS AND THINGS COMING TO THE BOARD, TALKING TO PEOPLE, WE ARE COMING WITH THOSE IDEAS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING READY TO PRESENT IN WRITING WHEN IT COMES TO ORDINANCES AND.

UM, AND YOU SAID LOW HANGING FRUIT, THAT THAT IS THE FRUIT.

I MEAN, IT'S EVERYWHERE BECAUSE NOTHING WE CAN DO, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S IT'S AN ORDINANCE THAT PREVENTS CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE CAN.

CHANGE WITHOUT ACTUALLY WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT, MAKE SURE IT'S IN KEEPING BECAUSE ONE ORDINANCE OR ONE CODE AFFECTS A MULTIPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

AND SO AS A PART OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO THAT THAT IS JUST A, YOU KNOW, A LINE ITEM, NOT OK. TO ACCOMPLISH THIS, WE NEED TO ADDRESS ORDINANCES.

AND SO THAT'S ONE THING THAT'S NOT THE WHOLE PLAN BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, STEP ONE, STEP TWO, STEP THREE.

AND SO WITHIN THAT IN CREATING THE METRICS AND CREATING THE TIME FRAMES AND OUR DEADLINES, WE HAVE TO HAVE A HOLISTIC APPROACH TO ANY OF THIS TOP, ANY TOPIC.

SO IF WE'RE LOOKING AT STORMWATER, WE'RE LOOKING AT THEIR FOUR QUADRANTS IN THE CITY WITH FOUR DIFFERENT NEEDS FOR DIFFERENT OPTIONS OFF WHERE THE GREEN SPACES ARE.

SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CITY HOLISTICALLY, LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENT QUADRANTS AND ADDRESSING THEM.

SO WHAT HAPPENS IN SOUTHEAST CAN'T BE IMPLEMENTED IN NORTHEAST? AND SO WHEN WE'RE PUTTING TOGETHER THE PLAN, SO I'M OK WITH THOSE TWO BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE BIG AND THE SIDE THINGS, FOR EXAMPLE, THINGS THAT CAN BE IMPLEMENTED QUICKLY IS, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY THE RAINBOW REBATES, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE PART OF IT.

AND, YOU KNOW, SETTING UP OUR RAIN GARDENS AROUND THE CITY, THAT'S ANOTHER PART OF IT WHERE IT SEEMS A LITTLE HANGING, BUT IT'S ALL A PART OF THE BIG PICTURE.

SO I THINK OUR JOB IS TO LOOK AT THAT BIG PICTURE, DISSECT IT IN SMALL BITES.

SO IT'S APPEALING TO THE CITY COUNCIL APPEALING TO THIS RESIDENTS AS WELL.

BUT WE STILL HAVE TO DO THOSE HARD WORK OF CREATING THAT FRAMEWORK AND START WORKING WITHIN IT, DISSECTING IT ONE LINE AT A TIME.

MR. HELP ME WITH YOUR LAST NAME TO PRONOUNCE IT KIRSTY OUT, SMIALOWSKI, SNYDER.

SNYDER. VERY EASY FOR OLSZEWSKI.

THE MIDDLE PART IS CHEF AND SOMEONE THAT COOKS SO EASY.

OLSZEWSKI THAT'S IT.

NOW WE ALL KNOW. THANK YOU, EVERYBODY, FOR YOUR FEEDBACK.

I DON'T ACTUALLY LIKE BEING LAST, BUT I DON'T MIND.

I'LL DEAL WITH IT. EVERYTHING THAT EVERYONE SAID IS GREAT, SO I CAN'T INVALIDATE ANY OF IT. I WOULD JUST.

AND I'M REALLY REPRESSING MYSELF HERE, BUT I DON'T WANT TO.

I WANT TO JUST BE TRANSPARENT AND HONEST.

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WE'RE ACTUALLY A FULL BOARD.

TWO OF US ARE AT-LARGE MEMBERS.

I AM THE MEMBER APPOINTED BY SEAT FIVE, SO I ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE A COUNCIL MEMBER TO TALK TO. BUT FOR THE OTHER FOUR AT HAND EACH, YOU KNOW, EACH OF YOU HAS BEEN APPOINTED BY A COUNCIL MEMBER. AND REALLY, THE LINE OF COMMUNICATION CAN, AND IN MY OPINION, OUGHT BE QUITE DIRECT AND IN AN ADVISORY ROLE AND IN ANY ONE PERSON IS PERFECTLY AUTHORIZED THROUGH THE REALM OF SUNSHINE TO TALK TO ONE OTHER PERSON.

SO WHEN YOU START TO CREATE GROUPS AND CONGLOMERATES THAT YOU GET INTO STICKY SITUATION, EVEN SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS GOING TO THE COUNCIL AND PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD FROM A TECHNICAL SENSE, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A MOTION AND VOTE ON AND VOTE IN A REPRESENTATIVE TO DO THAT.

SO LEVERAGE THE POWER THAT WE HAVE AT HAND.

AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE OUR MEMBERS TO TAKE THAT IDEA LITERALLY.

AND, YOU KNOW, AT LARGE THE COMMUNITY, BUT CERTAINLY THE ONES APPOINTED BY COUNCIL MEMBERS, I THINK WE SHOULD TALK DIRECTLY.

AND THEN ALSO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I THINK THAT AS A CERTAIN BOARD MEMBER COMES UP WITH NOT ONLY A PRIORITY, NOT ONLY AN ACTIONABLE ITEM, BUT PERHAPS THE MAKINGS OF A PLAN.

I THINK THAT ANY OF US SHOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE BRINGING THAT FORTH TO THE BOARD.

AND I'VE TALKED IN THE PAST ABOUT THE USE OF ROBERT'S RULES AND THE REASON THAT I HANG UP ON IT SO MUCH IS I THINK IT'S A BEAUTIFUL SYSTEM.

WHY IT'S UNDER 30 YEARS OLD, BUT IT PRESENTS ITSELF IN A WAY THAT ALLOWS ANY BOARD MEMBER TO TO BRING UP ANYTHING GERMANE TO WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON AND HAVE THAT ENTERTAINED.

AND ALSO HAVE THAT TO QUOTE OUR SPEAKER TONIGHT KIBOSHED IN A TIMELY FASHION JUST AS WELL, BUT ALLOWS US TO MOVE FORWARD.

WELL, I DON'T WANT TO BRING THIS IDEA BECAUSE MAYBE I'M GOING DOWN A RABBIT HOLE IF YOU THROW THE MOTION OUT THERE AND ONE OF THE SIX OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE SITTING UP THERE SAYS, LET'S HEAR MORE.

I'LL GIVE YOU A SECOND. YOU TALK IN SHORT ORDER.

IT'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE.

WE CALL THE QUESTION NO.

YOU KNOW THE IDEA AND I ONLY SAY THAT TO SAY I FEEL LIKE OUR CREATIVE JUICES MIGHT COME OUT MORE IF WE GET MORE FREE FLOWING WITH IF WE GET LESS STRUCTURED WITH IT.

AND IN THE SAME SAME LINE OF THINKING, I'M SAYING WE SHOULD BE LESS STRUCTURED AND WE SHOULD ADAPT ROBERT'S RULES.

I KNOW THEY'RE CONTRADICTORY IDEAS.

BUT THE REASON I SAY SO IS TO LET EVERYONE FEEL COMFORTABLE PRESENTING THEMSELVES AND FEEL COMFORTABLE HAVING HEALTHY CONVERSATION.

I WOULDN'T EVEN CALL IT DEBATE ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE'S IDEAS WITHOUT EVER THINKING THAT ANY ANY DEMERITS OR WHAT HAVE YOU WOULD EVER BE TAKEN PERSONALLY OR ANYTHING OF THE SORT.

IT'S JUST FREE FLOWING IDEAS.

THE RULES WERE INVENTED TO KEEP MEETINGS PRODUCTIVE.

SO, SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT IF IF I HAD A REALLY GOOD IDEA RIGHT NOW.

FOR EXAMPLE, IF NO OTHER REASON, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION AND HOPE FOR A SECOND AND TELL YOU GUYS ABOUT IT, I'LL TELL YOU THAT.

I AM HUNG UP ON ON WASTE MANAGEMENT.

I SPOKE ABOUT IT AT THE COUNCIL MEETING FOR YOU GUYS THAT WERE THERE.

I SPOKE ABOUT IT MORE LATER ON AFTER THE CONSENT AGENDA AND IN THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.

I'VE SPOKEN TO MULTIPLE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE MAYOR INDIVIDUALLY ABOUT IT, AND I'M NOT LETTING IT GO AWAY. SO IF WE HAVE SOME FORM OF CONSENSUS THAT THAT'S THE KIND OF IDEA WE WANT TO GO WITH, IS THAT PROBABLY NEXT MEETING TO MISS PHILLIPS POINT EARLIER? WE'LL PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, WANTED TO ON THIS UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING.

I'M GOING TO KIND OF MAKE IT MY HOMEWORK TO SAY, OK, WELL, IF YOU'RE SO EXCITED ABOUT A CERTAIN IDEA, LET'S BRING SOME ACTIONABLE ITEMS TO THE TEAM, SO ON AND SO FORTH.

I'LL PUT SOME RESPONSIBILITY ACCOUNTABILITY ON MYSELF AND BRING THAT TO YOU GUYS.

AND I THINK IF WE EACH SET OUT ON THAT PERSONAL MISSION, THERE'S NO WAY THAT WE COME TO THE NEXT MEETING OR ANY MEETING SUBSEQUENT THAT ONE OF THE SEVEN OF US DOESN'T HAVE SOMETHING WORTH DISCUSSING, YOU KNOW? AND AGAIN, IT ALL CIRCLES BACK TO.

THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A BAD IDEA IN THIS INSTANCE PER SAY, BECAUSE AN IDEA IS SIMPLY THAT AS A STARTING POINT AND WE NEED STARTING POINTS.

WE'RE A BOARD THAT'S THAT'S LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO START.

SO PLEASE, FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS, SPIT THEM OUT.

LET'S SEE. LET'S HEAR IT.

LET'S SECOND IT. IF IT SOUNDS GOOD, LET'S TALK ABOUT IT.

IF IT SOUNDS GOOD, LET'S VOTE ON IT.

IF IT SOUNDS GREAT, LET'S IMPLEMENT IT.

THAT'S MY PIECE, MADAM CHAIR, AND THANK YOU FOR THE RECOGNITION.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RETURN TO OUR NEXT BOARD MEETING.

WITH THAT BEING OUR OUR TIMETABLE FOR IT WITH.

THESE. UM.

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I'M TRAPPED, I'M STRUGGLING TO GET THE WORDING ON I THINK I NEED, SO HELP ME PUT WORDS TO IT. I'M HEARING.

WATER AND LAND CONSERVATION OF BODIES OF WATER.

CHARGING STATION, WHICH WE'VE BEEN CHARGING STATIONS, WHICH WE'VE HEARD AND ELECTRIC VEHICLES FROM THE COUNCIL AS A PRIORITY.

AND THEN WASTE.

AND I THINK YOU HAVE A THIRD ONE OR JUST THOSE TWO.

IN. ALL RIGHT, SO IF WE CAN COME BACK WITH SOME.

BOTH WHAT WE MIGHT THINK OF AS LOW HANGING FRUIT, SIMPLE, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DO THIS RAIN BARREL THING X Y Z AND THEN.

MAYBE THE MORE LONG TERM.

BIGGER PIECES OF THE PIE.

I DON'T AGAIN, I'M STRUGGLING WITH THE LANGUAGE FOR HOW TO SAY THIS, BUT I WANT US TO THINK ON THOSE THINGS AND BRING THEM BACK AND AND WITH THE GOAL OF HAVING ACTION ITEMS COMING OUT OF OUR NEXT MEETING FOR THOSE TOP PRIORITIES.

SO IF I COULD REPEAT BACK TO WHAT I THINK YOU'RE SAYING, THAT'LL BE HELPFUL.

THAT WOULD BE GREAT. OKAY, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT YOU LIKE US TO DO IS COME BACK NEXT MEETING WITH LONG TERM.

MAYBE WE COULD, YOU KNOW, COLLOQUIALLY CALL THEM HEAVY LIFT GOALS.

THAT WE WANT TO KEEP IN MIND THAT WE KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE LARGE AND TAKE SOME TIME AND THEY'RE VERY LIKELY GOING TO BE RELATED TO.

THROUGH THAT, CITY COUNCIL IS MADE, YOU KNOW, WARM WATER ATTENTION, ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING AND PERHAPS SOMETHING TO DO THE WASTE MANAGEMENT, BUT WE'RE GOING TO REALLY DIG INTO THAT NEXT TIME. WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BEGIN IMPLEMENTING A SYSTEM WHERE WHEN WE SEE LOW HANGING FRUIT, EASY TO GO FOR.

THINGS WE'RE JUST GOING TO MAKE THEM AS A MOTION HERE, ASK THEM AND KEEP GOING.

ALL RIGHT. LATE TO THE SUSTAINABILITY PLAN OR ITS SUSTAINABILITY ACTION PLAN, I WOULD IMAGINE. IS THAT CORRECT, MADAM CHAIR? THAT IS CORRECT.

AND. WELL, WE CAN DEAL WITH THAT FIRST, AND IF THAT'S EMOTION.

GIVE ME A SECOND AND AND THEN WE CAN HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION.

FOR A SECOND. SO REAL QUICK, MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY EXCUSE ME.

FIRST OF ALL. YOU CAN'T MAKE A MOTION.

AND I TELL YOU WHAT TO DO.

AM I ALLOWED TO JUST SAY THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING? IF I CAN'T MAKE A MOTION, WE SET THE RULES.

I DON'T KNOW AND YOU CAN MAKE SUGGESTIONS.

AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, YES, WHAT I HEARD FROM YOUR SUGGESTION IS THAT YOU WANT TO KEY IN ON THE TOP TWO PRIORITIES.

WE'RE GOING TO SUMMARIZE JUST TO USE OUR PLAN WATER SYSTEMS. IT SAYS IT IN OUR PLAN AND THE TRANSPORTATION OF MOBILITY, SPECIFICALLY IN EVS.

SO WITH THAT SAID, MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY, I MAKE A MOTION THAT THE NEXT MEETING'S AGENDA, WHICH WILL SOON TALK ABOUT THE DATE OF THAT MEETING, BECAUSE I'LL ASK, AS I ALWAYS DO, CONSISTS OF UNDER NEW BUSINESS, TWO ITEMS. IMPLEMENTATION PLANNING FOR WATER SYSTEMS AND IMPLEMENTATION PLANNING FOR EV.

TRANSPORTATION, MOBILITY, EV, LET'S JUST CALL IT TRANSPORTATION, MOBILITY, LET'S KEEP IT AS OUR PILLARS. WE ALL KNOW WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT EV.

SO I'D LIKE THE AGENDA TO REFLECT THOSE TWO THINGS UNDER NEW BUSINESS WHEN WE MEET NEXT NEXT TIME. SO MY MOTION IS THAT THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING OF THIS BOARD'S NEW BUSINESS CONSISTS OF IMPLEMENTATION PLANNING FOR WATER SYSTEMS AND IMPLEMENTATION PLANNING OF TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY.

I SECOND THAT AND NOW SO THIS IS WHERE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW ROBERT'S RULES AT ALL.

JUST I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR, I DON'T WANT TO I HAVE IMPOSTER SYNDROME LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, I'M GOING TO GO WATCH A YOUTUBE VIDEO THIS IS THIS IS ACTUALLY WHERE WE OPEN FOR DISCUSSION. EXACTLY.

AND I KNOW I'VE BEEN GOING TO THE CITY COUNCIL LATER AS THE MAN THAT MADE THE MOTION.

I'M GIVEN THE FIRST DIBS AS THE MAN MADE THE OLD WOMAN THAT MADE THE SECOND.

YOU'RE GIVEN THE SECOND DAY AS THE CHAIR, SHE RESERVES THE RIGHT TO GO LAUGHS AND HERE EVERYBODY ELSE AND THEN RESPOND TO IT ALL BECAUSE SHE'S THE CHAIR.

SHE'S THE BOSS. SO I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY.

A SKILLFUL. I THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO SAY, BECAUSE IT'S ALL PRE PRESCRIBED TAKES THE GUESSWORK OUT RIGHT THERE, DISCUSSION GETTING TO MY RIGHT.

UM, QUESTIONS FOR HIM AND AS IT RELATES TO THE MOTION.

NO, I'M OK WITH THAT MOTION BECAUSE IN ESSENCE IS JUST PLANNING, WE'RE PLANNING.

I ONLY JUST WANTED TO TO ADD WE TALK ABOUT LOW HANGING FRUIT.

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AND WHAT ARE OBJECTIVES THAT WE STILL HAVE TO FOLLOW BECAUSE WE TOLD THE CITIZENS THAT WE WERE GOING TO DO THESE THINGS.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT CREATING NEW THINGS.

IT'S JUST LOOKING AT THIS AND COMING UP WITH WAYS, HOW TO GET THESE IMPLEMENTED ALREADY IN OUR PLAN. MADAM VICE CHAIR FOR MAY IMPLEMENTATION PLANNING IMPLEMENTATION GOING WITH IT ACTING. I APPROVE.

I JUST I JUST WANTED TO ADD FOR THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION, IF YOU ASK STAFF TO PUT TWO NEW BUSINESS ITEMS, ONE DEALING WITH TRANSPORTATION, ONE DEALING WITH WATER.

THAT IS ALL YOU'LL BE ABLE TO DISCUSS.

SO IF SOMEBODY SAYS, OH, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT PERMEABLE PAVEMENT, THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IF I WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THOSE TWO PRIORITIES, THOSE TWO GOALS. WITH A NEW BUSINESS AGENDA, AS YOU'VE ASKED US TO BRING BACK, YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DISCUSS ABOUT OTHER BUSINESS THAT IS FOR UPCOMING MEETINGS AND EVENTS OF INTEREST. WE CAN'T ADD TO OTHER BUSINESS.

SO, SO IF I MAY ASK FOR A CLARIFICATION UNDER THAT PREMISE, WE WOULD DISCUSS OUR TWO ORDERS OF BUSINESS AND THEN WHEN WE REACHED THE UPCOMING MEETINGS OR EVENTS OF INTEREST, THAT'S WHERE A BOARD MEMBER WOULD BE AT LIBERTY TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THE NEXT AGENDA FOR A NEW TOPIC. RIGHT.

WE CAN'T NECESSARILY ADD TO THE AGENDA.

UNDERSTOOD. YEAH, THAT WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE PLACE TO ADD TO THE SUBSEQUENT AGENDA.

YOU AND DURING THAT DISCUSSION, I MEAN, AS YOU ARE NOW, YOU'RE SAYING, HERE'S WHAT WE WANT TO SEE COME FORWARD IN NOVEMBER, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT HAPPENS.

THEN YOU KNOW, YOU'RE DONE TALKING ABOUT TRANSPORTATION AND YOU'RE DONE TALKING ABOUT YOU'VE MADE DECISIONS ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT TO DO THERE.

YOU SAY, OK, WELL, NOW IN NOVEMBER, WE WANT TO COME BACK, WE WANT TO DO THIS.

SO THAT'S HOW THAT WORKS.

THAT'S HOW THAT PLAYS OUT. AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A SPEAKER AGAIN NEXT MEETING, RIGHT? NO, I'M GOING TO I WAS GOING TO DRESS THE MEETING DATES HERE TOWARDS THE END OF THE MEETING. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO FINISH THIS DISCUSSION AND THEN I'LL PROVIDE SOME STAFF FEEDBACK. NOW THEIR DISCUSSION.

WE'D LIKE TO.

WELL, I'D LIKE TO SAY ONE THING ABOUT THE TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY IN THE BUDGET.

THERE IS A LOT IN THE BUDGET, BUT I THINK IT'S IN THE AMERICAN RESCUE.

IS ONE CHARGING STATION.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD CHANGE.

UH. YOU'RE GOING LIKE THAT, YEAH, IT'S GOING LIKE THAT BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO THERE ARE A FEW THINGS I WAS GOING TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION AT THE END OF THE MEETING, AND I CAN WAIT TO DO THAT OR I CAN INTERJECT NOW, AND IT'S PROBABLY MORE APPROPRIATE.

I DO INTEND TO BRING BACK TO THE BOARD INFORMATION REGARDING WHERE STAFF IS ON INVESTIGATING EV AND CHARGING STATIONS BECAUSE THERE IS SOME ACTIVITY AT THE STAFF LEVEL THAT WE LIKE TO BRIEF YOU ON.

BUT I DON'T HAVE THAT WITH ME TONIGHT, BUT I WILL BE BRINGING THAT BACK TO YOU NEXT MONTH, BRING THAT AND BRING INFORMATION ON WHERE WE ARE.

IF IF THERE'S ANY OTHER PERTINENT INFORMATION TO WHERE WE ARE WITH STORMWATER.

WITH BOTH, YES. ABSOLUTELY, YES.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION.

YES. SO I WANTED TO I PERSONALLY LIKE WASTE MANAGEMENT.

I I WANTED TO THROW OUT ABOUT THE CHARGING STATIONS IF THAT.

INTEREST. DIFFERENT.

WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH. OFF THE MOBILITY AND DOING QUITE.

IT'S ONE THING. THE OTHER THING IS, I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK TO THE IDEA OF ONE OF US OR SEEING IF ANY OF US WILL GO TO THE.

THAT WITH UPCOMING MEETINGS IN THE OTHER BUSINESS.

UH, I DO SUPPORT THE MOTION BECAUSE THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT I THINK THAT THE CITY COUNCIL CAN MOST EASILY GET BEHIND AND GIVE US TRACTION, SO I I'M WITH YOU AND.

UM, WE'VE TALKED BEFORE ABOUT CAN WE DO HOMEWORK AND DISTRIBUTE OUR OWN HOMEWORK? REALLY TO YOU.

OR THE BOARD IN ANY WAY SO THAT WE CAN COME TO THE MEETING PREPARED WITH OUR COMMENTS IF WE. IF WE IF THIS IS THE HOMEWORK WE'VE BEEN GIVEN AND WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK AND

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SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE HANDING IF LESLIE DOES HER RESEARCH AND AND CHAIRWOMAN HANDS ME A PAGE, I CAN'T CREATE A SITUATION WHERE YOU ARE INTERACTING WITH ONE ANOTHER OUTSIDE OF THIS MEETING. AND ESSENTIALLY THAT IS WHAT I CAN DO IS TAKE THOSE DOCUMENTS AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE DISTRIBUTED TO EVERYONE AT THE SAME TIME WHEN WE'RE IN A PUBLIC FORUM AGAIN. AND I'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.

YOU CAN'T DISSEMINATE TO EVERYBODY AT ONE TIME.

I CAN'T I CAN'T ENGAGE, I CAN TAKE INFORMATION AND STORE IT, BUT I CANNOT BE A BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN ALL OF YOU OUTSIDE OF THE SUNSHINE.

JUST LITERALLY READ EACH OTHER'S COMMENTS BEFORE THE MEETING.

YOU CANNOT DO THAT. YES.

YEAH, ON THE AGENDA.

ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA THAT GOES OUT IN ADVANCE THERE.

WHEN YOU SEND THAT TO ME, I BELIEVE THAT WE CAN INCLUDE THAT IF YOU SEND IT TO ME BY THE DEADLINE, WE CAN PUBLISH THEM WITH THE AGENDA, AT LEAST GIVE US A CHANCE TO READ EACH OTHER'S. ADVANCE OF THE MEETING.

WELL, I I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT WE DO THAT AS PART OF BEING PREPARED FOR THE NEXT MEETING, BUT THAT'S NOT PART OF THE MOTION, SO WE CAN JUST VOTE ON THE MOTION AND THEN.

WE'LL TALK ABOUT SOME DATES FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES.

MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY JUST BRIEFLY, I LIKE THE IDEA OF LIMITING OUR SCOPE BY DESIGN AND INTENT BECAUSE IT ALLOWS US TO LIMIT OUR SCOPE ON WHAT WE THINK OF, YOU KNOW, AND THROUGH. SO FOR THE NEXT MONTH, I'LL ONLY THINK ABOUT THE TWO CONCEPTS, BUT I'LL FOCUS REALLY HARD ON THE TWO.

AND THEN AGAIN, IT'S IT'S OF COURSE, NO UNILATERAL DECISION.

WE'RE USING THE BODY TO MAKE THE DECISION AS WHAT'S GOING TO COME NEXT.

SO NOT ONLY WILL WE THINK ABOUT THE TWO, BUT WE'LL ALSO THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THIS NEXT ONE'S REALLY GOT ME ITCHING.

AND WHEN THE APPROPRIATE TIME COMES, WE JUST ARE DETERMINED WE'LL DO IT UNDER OTHER BUSINESS. NEXT TIME WE CAN MAKE A MOTION.

YOU KNOW WHAT? I'VE BEEN REALLY THINKING ABOUT THIS WASTE MANAGEMENT THING.

I WANT TO GET IT ON THE NEXT AGENDA.

WE CAN GO FROM THERE. SO.

SO I'M OBVIOUSLY LIKE THE MERITS.

FORGIVE ME FOR TAKING THE MIC AGAIN.

ALL RIGHT. I'M CALLING FOR A VOTE, THEN ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION I I OPPOSED.

IF THE MOTION PASSES AND.

I ASKED THE BOARD IF YOU DO CREATE SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT HOW DO WE IMPLEMENT THESE IF YOU WANT? YEAH, I NEED I NEED HELP.

I'M SORRY. SO CAN WE DO THAT AS PART OF OUR HOMEWORK? ERIN BYRNE, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I AM CLEAR.

SO I THINK I UNDERSTAND WE WANT RIGHT.

WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO.

WE ARE DEALING WITH SUBJECT MATTERS THAT TAKE A LOT OF RESEARCH, A LOT OF INFORMATION.

AND SO IF WE WERE TO COME HERE AND THEN I WAS TO THROW OUT, I THINK WE SHOULD IMPLEMENT THIS BRAND NEW TECHNOLOGY AND EVERYONE'S LIKE, HE'S EVER HEARD OF THAT FILM.

THAT THAT BECOMES DIFFICULT TO OPERATE IN, SO YOU WANT US TO HAVE A MEDIUM IN WHICH WITH THE AGENDA, WE CAN RELEASE SOME OF OUR THOUGHTS FOR.

NOT SURE WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S MY POINT OF CONFUSION, I'VE JUST NEVER SEEN IT DONE BEFORE.

I AM NOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM SAYING WE SHOULDN'T DO IT.

I LIKE THE IDEA. I'M JUST I'M WONDERING IF WE CAN GET A LITTLE CLARIFICATION, MAYBE FROM STAFF TO.

LIKE, HAS THAT BEEN DONE BEFORE BY ANOTHER BOARD AND IN WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? WHAT WOULD OUR FORMAT BE? FRAME YOUR QUESTION AGAIN.

WHAT IS IT THAT YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT? UM, SO IF IF I WANTED TO.

BUT MY THOUGHTS, I'M I'M I'M GOING TO MAKE SOMETHING UP FOR THE PURPOSE OF EXAMPLE, LET'S SAY I REALLY WANT US TO NOT JUST IMPLEMENT ELECTRIC CHARGERS, BUT I REALLY WANT US TO MAKE SURE WE USE SOLAR CANOPIES TO.

AND WHICH, FOR THE RECORD, I DO.

SPOILER ALERT. SO ANYWAYS, SO LET'S SAY I WANTED TO ENSURE THAT THE REST OF THE BOARD COULD RESEARCH THOSE PRIOR TO OUR MEETING.

THAT WAY, WE COULD HAVE AN INFORMED DISCUSSION ON SOLAR CANOPIES OVER ELECTRIC VEHICLES.

WOULD I LIKE WHAT WOULD I DO? SO HERE'S HOW THIS THIS PLAYS OUT, AND IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, IT'S A HOMEWORK KIND OF SITUATION, AND SO TO THE TEACHER.

IF YOU WANT THE BOARD TO COME BACK, IF YOU WANT EVERYONE ON THIS BOARD TO COME BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING WITH SOME IDEAS ABOUT SHOULD WE USE SOLAR PANELS ON AND I DON'T I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE TERMINOLOGY.

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WHAT YOU COME UP WITH IN THE FORM OF RESEARCH THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH THE BOARD. YOU CAN SEND TO ME, WE CAN INCLUDE AND PUBLISH IT WITH WITH THE AGENDA.

BUT AGAIN, IT HAS TO BE SENT TO ME BY THE TIME WE HAVE A DEADLINE TO TO PUBLISH, IT CAN'T JUST BE SOMETHING NOW.

SUSAN WALKED ON.

BUT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS KIND OF INFORMATION WHEN YOU WALKED ON A ONE OR TWO PAGE DOCUMENT, I THINK, AND WE GAVE IT TO THE BOARD.

BUT REALLY, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE BOARD'S CONTRIBUTIONS, YOU GUYS WOULD NEED A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO KIND OF SORT THROUGH IT AND THINK ABOUT WHAT OTHER FOLKS HAVE COME UP WITH. SO WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS IF THERE WAS SOMETHING I WANTED THE, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE AROUND ME TO BE BRIEFED ON, I SHOULD PASS ALONG RESOURCES RELATED TO THAT THAT I'D LIKE TO INCLUDED IN THE MEETING AGENDA.

THAT WAY, EVERYONE ON THE BOARD CAN BE BRIEFED.

DO WE NEED A MOTION TO MOVE THAT FORWARD OR THAT'S JUST LIKE A STANDARD, OK, I WOULD.

I JUST WANT US TO BE EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE WHEN WE HAVE ONE MEETING A MONTH AND ALL THIS TIME IN BETWEEN LIKE, YOU KNOW, I WANT THE NEXT TIME WE'RE TOGETHER TO BE REALLY PRODUCTIVE IN GETTING MOTIONS MOVED FORWARD.

WHEREAS TONIGHT WE DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, LIKE, WE NEED SOME TRACTION AND NOW WE HAVE ANOTHER MONTH. YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO BE MOVING THAT SLOWLY.

SO AS MUCH AS YOU ARE ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER ANY IDEAS, PLEASE FEEL WELCOME AND ENCOURAGED TO GET THOSE TO OUR STAFF PERSON IN IT IN THE TIMELY MANNER THAT SHE'S GOING TO SHARE WITH US. WHEN DO THEY HAVE TO BE? AND HOW EARLY DO THOSE PIECES OF INFORMATION THAT BOARD MEETING DATES NOW? SO YOUR NEXT BOARD MEETING IS ON OCTOBER THE TWENTY SEVENTH AND I WOULD NEED TO HAVE YOUR DOCUMENTS. WE HAVE SOME TIME.

NO LATER THAN THE 14TH FRIDAY OF THE 14TH.

LAST. OVER THE TWENTY SEVENTH IS OUR NEXT MEETING.

TWENTY SEVEN OCTOBER, TWENTY SEVENTH IS OUR NEXT MEETING.

YEAH, SO I NEED MY GLASSES AND MY CONTACTS ON FRIDAY, THE 15TH OF OCTOBER.

ANY OTHER BUSINESS OR QUESTIONS? YEAH, I JUST AGAIN, JUST FOR MY CLARIFICATION.

SO WHEN I LOOK AT THIS AND I SAY I SEE GOLD ONE AND CITY OBJECTIVES, SO.

THE WAY I THINK AND THE WAY I MY MY THOUGHT PROCESS WORKS IS IF I LOOK AT THIS AND THIS IS WHAT I'M HERE TO ACHIEVE, SO I AM LOOKING AT, OK, WE'RE LOOKING AT CITY OBJECTIVES.

I HAVE INSTALLED, YOU KNOW, WATER LESS COMPOST TOILETS ON NATURAL LANDSCAPES.

SO I'M THINKING THAT I'M GOING TO BE THE IDEAS.

I'M PLANS I'M COMING UP IS TO ADDRESS ITEM GOAL ONE.

BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE SAYING JUST ANY IDEA YOU THINK OF THE COMMENTS, I WANT TO KNOW, ARE WE LOOKING AT IT AS IF WE'RE LOOKING AT NATURAL ENVIRONMENT AS OUR PRIORITY? ARE WE LOOKING AT IT AS DOES THIS BECOME OUR GOAL ONE? SO IF I'M A RESIDENT AND I SEE, OK, WELL, THIS THEY ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT NATURAL ENVIRONMENT AND THEY COME WITH THEIR IDEAS FOR THE GOAL.

ARE WE COMING TO DISCUSS THAT OR JUST ANY RANDOM IDEA THAT WE CAME UP WITH? SO I'M LIKE, HOW DO WE ACHIEVE? BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IF WE COME UP WITH ALL THE RANDOM IDEAS NOT DOING THESE LINE ITEMS OR PICKING THE LINE ITEMS OR ADDRESSING OR CHANGING THEM TO FIT, THEN ARE WE JUST.

COME IN FOR WORK FOR THE PURPOSES OF OUR NEXT MEETING, YOUR MOTION STATED THAT THE INTENT OF YOUR TWO NEW BUSINESS ITEMS ARE TO DISCUSS IMPLEMENTATION OF TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY AND WATER SYSTEMS. SO THAT IS WHAT YOUR DISCUSSION WILL BE ABOUT.

SO WILL IT BE IN AND IF WATER IS A PRIORITY AND IF THAT'S PART OF YOUR DISCUSSION, ABSOLUTELY. YOU CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.

OKAY. NO, NO, I UNDERSTAND.

OK, USE A RANDOM THING, FOR EXAMPLE.

BUT I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN OUR DISCUSSIONS OR WHATEVER WE'RE WRITING DOWN IS RELATED TO GOAL ONE UNDER MOBILITY, IT'S YOU KNOW, IT'S IS IT THAT AND WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING WHICH WOULD BEST MEET.

THE NEEDS, YOU KNOW, SO WE HAVE THESE ACTION ITEMS, BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING THE DISCUSSION WILL BE ABOUT THE ONES THAT WE WANT TO PRIORITIZE WITHIN THAT THOSE GOALS, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO, OH, WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS ONE THING WE CAN GO, WHICH WOULD THIS WOULD BE THE BEST RIGHT NOW TO DO SO, WHICH HAS MOMENTUM, WHICH CAN HAS TRACTION, WE CAN

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WE ARE BRINGING TO CITY COUNCIL WAYS TO IMPLEMENT THIS DOCUMENT.

I'M CHAIR, IF I MAY, MADAM VICE CHAIR, THE WAY THAT I SEE IT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE OTHER BOARD IS AS WELL, BUT WATER SYSTEMS, SO WE'RE GOING TO COME, IT'S GOING TO BE OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS.

ALL RIGHT, TEAM, HOW ARE WE CONQUERING WATER SYSTEMS BECAUSE WE HAVE THE ACTION PLAN? HOW ARE WE IMPLEMENTING THE ACTION PLAN? SO I ACTUALLY APPRECIATE YOUR QUESTION IN THIS POINT OF CLARIFICATION.

WHAT I WOULD SAY IS I'M GOING TO LOOK AT IT AND I'M GOING TO SAY, MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE THAT WE TAKE A DOVE INTO GOAL THREE, WHICH IS TO MANAGE AND PROTECT GROUNDWATER AND SURFACE WATER BODIES.

AND WE'RE GOING TO SAY, OK, LET'S DOVE INTO IT AND WE SAY, OK, HOW I THINK THAT WE SHOULD DO X. SO ON AND SO FORTH.

SO AGAIN, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR CLARIFYING QUESTION BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT TO SHARE WITH THE BOARD. WE SHOULD USE THE ACTION PLAN, OF COURSE, TO GUIDE OUR EFFORTS BECAUSE THE GOAL, WHAT WE JUST SAID, WE'RE GOING TO DO IS IMPLEMENT THE PLAN.

AND IF WE'RE NOT READING THE PLAN, WHICH YOU'RE ASKING, ARE WE GOING TO? THAT'S A PROBLEM. SO THANK YOU FOR ASKING.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE AND KNOW.

MY STATEMENT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE THE PLANS THAT OR THE IDEAS THAT WE'RE COMING WITH IS RELATED DIRECTLY TO THESE.

AND NOT JUST SO, OH, I JUST CAME UP WITH THIS COOL IDEA.

THAT'S AS NOTHING THAT'S NOT ON HERE AND CAN'T NECESSARILY BE.

IMPLEMENT IT OR WORK WITH WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THIS.

TOP GOAL NUMBER ONE THAT WE'RE COMING UP WITH, I JUST ALWAYS KIND OF WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE THIS PLAN, WE HAVE TO TURN IT INTO ACTIONS WE WANT TO IMPLEMENT.

IT DIDN'T SOUND LIKE THAT BEING LIKE, OH, JUST COMING HERE, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE TAKING THIS AND TURN IT DIRECTLY BY LINE.

THAT WAS A FANTASTIC CLARIFICATION, CLARIFICATION QUESTION, IN MY OPINION.

WE'RE MOVED TO OTHER BUSINESS, ANY OTHER UPCOMING MEETINGS OR EVENTS THAT WE NEED TO KNOW

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DO WE HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT NEW BUSINESS? I'M SORRY. UM, OUTSIDE OF THE.

NO, OUTSIDE OF THE AGENDA ITEM, YOU HAVE SOMETHING OTHER.

MY BRAIN'S JUST A LITTLE FRAYED AT THE MOMENT.

OK? ANY OTHER UPCOMING MEETINGS OR EVENTS THAT WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT? SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU, FIRST OF ALL, A REMINDER, JUST BECAUSE WE'RE HEADING TOWARDS THE END OF THE YEAR, WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF SKEWED DATES.

SO WE HAVE A MEETING OF OCTOBER TWENTY SEVEN AS OUR NEXT MEETING.

IN NOVEMBER, WE'RE MEETING ON THE 16TH BECAUSE WE WANTED TO BACK IT UP BECAUSE OF THANKSGIVING OFF TRAVEL.

AND ON DECEMBER 20 DECEMBER, WE'RE MEETING ON THE 22ND.

AND AT THAT MEETING, WE WILL HAVE BRANDON SMITH FROM BROWARD COUNTY NATURAL RESOURCES COME AND PRESENT. HE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT SWIRL SURROUNDING THE LAGOON PROGRAM.

HE'S ALSO PRETTY RENOWNED IN THE AREA AND REGIONALLY FOR EDUCATION ON STORMWATER AND OTHER MATTERS, SO I THINK YOU'LL BENEFIT FROM THAT AS WELL.

HE'S LOOKING FORWARD TO SCHOOL TO DECEMBER TWENTY SECOND.

AND I AM WORKING ON.

OTHER PRESENTATIONS TO BRING TO YOU, IT TAKES A LITTLE TIME TO GET THESE FOLKS.

JONI REGAN WAS PLANT WAS SCHEDULED TO DO A PRESENTATION ALMOST EXACTLY A YEAR AGO AND BECAUSE AT THAT TIME WE WERE HAVING QUORUM CHALLENGES, THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

SHE IS CURRENTLY INVOLVED IN THE LEAD CONFERENCE THAT MARINE RESOURCES IS PUTTING ON, SO I IMAGINE SHE'S PROBABLY PRETTY WRAPPED UP IN THAT RIGHT NOW.

BUT I HAVE AN EMAIL OUT TO HER BECAUSE SHE IS A STORMWATER SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT, AND I KNOW THAT SHE WOULD BRING A LOT OF VALUE TO YOU IF SHE WERE TO ABLE TO ACTUALLY BRING A PRESENTATION. I JUST THINK WE NEED TO GIVE HER A LITTLE BIT OF ROOM WITH THE CONFERENCE THAT SHE'S PARTICIPATING IN NEXT MONTH.

THE ART CONTEST I GOT A CALL FROM A TEACHER WHO INFORMED ME THAT SHE HAS ENCOURAGED HER SEVENTY FIVE STUDENTS TO SUBMIT ENTRIES TO THE CONTEST, SO YOU MAY VERY WELL HAVE A LOT OF ART TO REVIEW BY THE TIME IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE, BUT I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT, SO THAT'S WOULD BE QUITE A PORTFOLIO FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

YOU TOOK CARE OF THAT. WE WILL BE SO FAR MYSELF, THE CITY MANAGER AND ONE OR TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE COMMITTED TO GO TO THE LED CONFERENCE ON OCTOBER 21ST AND 22ND, SO WE WILL BE THERE. I DO PLAN TO TAKE IN ADDITION TO I WOULD IMAGINE THERE ARE MANY.

THERE'LL PROBABLY BE A NUMBER OF HANDOUTS OR PACKAGES AS MUCH IN THE WAY OF NOTES AND

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SO WE'LL BE THERE AND PAYING VERY CLOSE ATTENTION TO BOTH DAYS AT THE CONFERENCE AND.

AND THAT WAS IT. IS IT? THERE'S MY REPORTS FOR YOU GUYS, THANK YOU.

ABOUT THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT, I THINK THERE WOULD BE A GOOD RESOURCE FOR US AS WELL BECAUSE AS THE, YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN SOUTHEAST SOUTHWEST BECAUSE AGAIN, WE THE CITY IS SO BIG WE HAVE TO THINK WHAT WORKS IN NOW IN A DIFFERENT QUADRANTS? I MEAN, HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THE VIDEOS FROM THE COMP PLAN, OPEN HOUSES? YOU'VE ALL DONE THAT. SO YOU KIND OF HAVE IT.

YEAH. AND I WILL SAY, I KNOW YOU'RE AWARE THAT THEY ARE PRESENTLY WITHOUT A DIRECTOR.

THEY HAVE AN ACTING. BUT THAT DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN.

BUSY? YES, BUT ABSOLUTELY, I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO THE OPPORTUNITY TO INVITE STAFF TO ADDRESS THE BOARD.

I JUST THINK RIGHT NOW THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT THEY'RE PROBABLY A LITTLE SHORTHANDED IN DOING, BUT PLEASE KNOW THAT THAT IS SOMETHING WE'D LIKE TO BRING TO YOU.

SO YOU HAVE PRESENTATIONS FROM UTILITIES, FROM STORM WATER, ALL THOSE DEPARTMENTS THAT THAT FEED INTO SUSTAINABILITY OR SUSTAINABILITY SHOULD BE FEEDING INTO AS WELL.

SO STORM WATER IS ON THE LIST OF THINGS TO COME.

RIGHT, DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? I'M SORRY. I WANTED TO GO BACK TO THE IDEA OF ANYONE AMONG US.

HALF WOULD COMMIT TO GOING TO THE CONFERENCE.

AS WELL. AND YOU BRING THAT UP, I WAS ACTUALLY HOPING WE CAN WRITE ABOUT THAT, TOO.

I DO KNOW WE ALL WANT TO GO HOME.

I'M SORRY. UM, BUT I DON'T THINK WE CAN HAVE LIKE IF IF SOMEONE WAS GOING TO SPLIT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I DON'T THINK WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION OUTSIDE OF THIS MOMENT.

SO IT KIND OF. AND PUTS US HERE TO CHAT ABOUT IT.

IT DEFINITELY SOUNDS INTERESTING, I'M LOOKING AT IT AS SOMETHING I WANT TO ATTEND, BUT AS AT THIS TIME, I JUST NEED TO DOUBLE CHECK MY CALENDAR, BUT SOMETHING I'LL BE LOOKING TO GO TO, PERIOD.

WILL YOU TALK TO ME IF YOU DECIDE TO ENTER? I CAN'T DO THAT.

AND SHE JUST TOLD YOU, YOU ALL CAN DECIDE INDEPENDENTLY IF YOU WANT TO GO AND LET ME KNOW. IS TO KNOW THAT YOU'LL BE IN ATTENDANCE AND THEN BE COGNIZANT OF THE FACT THAT IF YOU SEE A FELLOW BOARD MEMBER, YOU REALLY SHOULDN'T BE ENGAGING IN DISCUSSION WHILE YOU'RE THERE. SORRY.

I MEAN, YOU WANT TO AVOID THAT PUBLIC? YEAH. THINK WHAT MY MOTION IS FOR US TO END TO SEE THAT WE CAN ATTEND AS INDIVIDUALS GET REPRESENT US AS A BODY AND START A FLOW, START THAT CONVERSATION FLOW OF INFORMATION COMING.

BACK AND FORTH. FIRST, OUR GOVERNMENT REPRESENTATIVES AT THIS PARTICULAR ONE, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE CITY IS WELL.

PRESENT IT VERY WELL.

UH, BUT THERE ARE OTHER WORKSHOPS AND THINGS THAT ARE COMING UP THAT HAVE TO DO WITH DEVELOPMENT AND CERTAINLY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, I THINK WHENEVER THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO OPEN AGAIN FOR.

WE HAVE.

ORGANIZATION ASKED ME ABOUT DOING A PRISON OR PRESENTATION THAT YOU DID.

I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF THAT'S OK FOR YOU TO DO A PRESENTATION ABOUT OUR BOARD, TO ANY OTHER ORGANIZATION OR THEIR LIMITATIONS AS TO WHO BOARD MEMBERS.

I MEAN, YOU'RE YOU'RE REPRESENTING YOURSELF AS AN INDIVIDUAL, BUT YOU KNOW THAT.

YOU TELL ME A LITTLE MORE ABOUT WHAT IT IS YOU WANT TO DO.

SO JUST THE SHEER JUST TO SHARE THE INFORMATION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE, MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT AWARE OF THAT.

WE HAVE A SUSTAINABILITY BOARD.

SO I, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE DIFFERENT GROUPS AROUND WHO ACTUALLY WANT TO LEARN MORE ABOUT

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SO I JUST WANTED TO FIND OUT IF THE BOARD OR CHAIRMAN WANTS IS ABLE TO TAKE HER PRESENTATION THAT SHE PRESENTED THE COUNCIL AND PRESENT IT TO ANY GROUP IN THE CITY OR IF IT'S AT THAT PRESENTATION, IS PUBLIC RECORD AS WELL.

SO IT'S NOT A DOCUMENT THAT ANYONE WOULDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO.

YEAH. SO THAT'S THE COURSE. SO THE QUESTION I'M ASKING IS IF THAT'S OK WELL, OR IF I CALLED HER UP AND SAID, HEY, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO THIS PRESENTATION? I CAN'T. SO CAN I TAKE THE PRESENTATION THAT'S ONLINE AND SAY AND SHARE IT WITH ANY GROUP? I MEAN, YOU CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE A LINK TO THE GROUP.

ABSOLUTELY. I MEAN, AGAIN, THE ENTIRE WEBSITE, THE PRESENTATION IN THAT AGENDA IS PUBLIC RECORD. IT'S NOT PUBLISHED AS A STANDALONE DOCUMENT ON THE WEBSITE, BUT IT IS PUBLISHED AS A AS A A, I BELIEVE.

LET ME DOUBLE CHECK PUBLISHES A PART OF THE AGENDA.

SO AS A MEMBER OF THIS BOARD AND I WENT TO A NONPROFIT THAT I'M A PART OF AND WANTS TO TALK ABOUT OUR SUSTAINABILITY BOARD AND REFERENCE THE THE DOCUMENT THAT'S THERE.

MY ALLOWED TO DO THAT.

I WILL DOUBLE CHECK JUST TO BE SURE I MAKE SURE THEY'RE ALL ON FIRM FOOTING AND I'LL EMAIL YOU TOMORROW, OK? ALL RIGHT. COULD WE MAKE LIKE A MOTION OF THAT? WE DON'T DO IT TONIGHT. BUT JUST TO CLARIFY, COULD WE MAKE LIKE A MOTION WHERE BOARD MEMBERS ARE ALLOWED TO DO THAT? LET ME CHECK ON THE ALLOWABLE.

I MEAN, I JUST HAVE NOT BEEN ASKED THAT QUESTION BEFORE, SO I DON'T KNOW.

LET ME FIND OUT. AND THEN I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD NEED A MOTION.

I MEAN, IF IT'S IF IT'S A POLICY OR PROCEDURE OR SOMETHING TO DO WITH SUNSHINE, IT SHOULD JUST BE EITHER YAY OR NAY.

I WILL FIND OUT AND GET BACK TO YOU.

I DID ALSO HAVE A THOUGHT THAT I'D LIKE TO VOICE REALLY QUICK.

SO THE CONFERENCE THAT WE'RE ALL REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IS GOING TO HAPPEN BETWEEN NOW AND OUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS REALLY EXCITING.

BUT WE JUST PASSED A MOTION ABOUT OUR AGENDA NEXT TIME.

IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, WOULD PROHIBIT US FROM TALKING ABOUT IT.

CAN WE PASS A MOTION TO AMEND THAT? WELL, NO, NO, LIKE SO FOR THE RECORD, JUST FOR THE RECORD, I ACTUALLY WON'T BE HERE NEXT MEETING. IT'S MY SON'S BIRTHDAY.

SORRY, BUT I WILL CONTRIBUTE SOME THINGS TO BRITTA FOR RESOURCES ABOUT THE CONVERSATIONS, AND I'LL WATCH THE MEETING AND I'M PRAYING FOR YOU.

BUT CAN SHOULD WE CAN WE PASS A MOTION TO AMEND HIS MOTION TO ENSURE THAT IF WE HAVE MEMBERS WHO ATTEND THAT PRESENTATION THAT THEY CAN PROVIDE A RECAP OR DISCOURSE ON THAT, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S NOT CUT OFF THE AGENDA.

THAT COVERED UNDER.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE WE'RE ASKING.

NO, THAT WE'RE COMING BACK TO TALK ABOUT, OK? WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TALK.

YEAH, I GET.

I UNDERSTAND. TALK ABOUT WHAT WE LEARNED.

YEAH, I JUST I FELT LIKE IT MAY BE A GOOD IDEA TO ENSURE THAT IN THE AGENDA THERE IS THINGS LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, MAYBE WE LEARN SOMETHING ABOUT POLICY THAT, WOW, THERE'S A REALLY LOW, YOU KNOW, LOW HANGING FRUIT DOESN'T EXACTLY RELATE TO THESE TWO THINGS, BUT NOW WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT. IT'S OFF THE AGENDA, BUT WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT NEXT MONTH.

SO I'M JUST SAYING, WOULD IT BE A GOOD IDEA? I'M NOT TRYING TO BE NITPICKY, BUT CHAIRWOMAN BIRD, I'M 100 PERCENT ON HER PAGE THAT IT'S IT'S ONCE A MONTH WE GET 12 SHOTS ALL YEAR.

IF YOU WANT TO ADD A THIRD ITEM THAT SAYS REPORT OUT ON LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT CONFERENCE, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT.

AND SO WE'LL HAVE THAT IN THERE AS ITEM NUMBER THREE ON NEW BUSINESS AND FOR THOSE WHO WENT MYSELF INCLUDED.

WE'LL JUST HAVE A DISCUSSION WHEN REPORT OUT AND WHAT WE LEARNED AND WHAT WE THOUGHT WOULD BE A VALUE TO THE BOARD.

WE NEED A MOTION TO DO THAT.

I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE A MOTION TO ADD A THIRD ITEM ON THE AGENDA TO ALLOW FOR DISCOURSE FOR ANY BOARD MEMBERS WHO ATTEND THE CONFERENCE TO SHARE THEIR LEARNINGS AND DISCOURSE WITH THEIR. INSTEAD, INSTEAD OF LIKE BRITTA, ALL IN FAVOR, I.

NOW, IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? I'M SURE I'M GOING TO MAKE THAT MOTION, BUT BEFORE I DO.

FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS RESPECT THE SUNSHINE.

DON'T FEAR THE SUNSHINE.

RESPECT THE SUNSHINE.

THAT'S ALL COMMON SENSE PRINCIPLES.

DON'T FEAR IT. RESPECT IT.

THAT'S IT. MADAM CHAIR, I MOTION TO ADJOURN.

I'D LIKE THE SECOND THAT I PEOPLE.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.