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[CALL TO ORDER]
I'LL CALL THE MEETING OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE ADVISORY AND OVERSIGHT BOARD TO ORDER.CHAIRPERSON THOMAS GO, PRESIDENT, VICE CHAIRPERSON, REBECCA TBIR PRESENT.
THIS EMERY FRAZIER, PRESIDENT MR. PAUL EDWARDS, MR. DAVID JONES, PRESIDENT, MR. TERRY MUELLER, WE HAVE A WARM.
THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, I'LL OPEN THE FLOOR TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
OH, I'M SORRY, I ALWAYS I ALWAYS SKIP THE MINUTES, SO WE HAVE THE MINUTES FROM, EXCUSE
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ME, JUST A SECOND. UM, MINUTES FROM THE TWENTY ONE HUNDRED NINE SEPTEMBER 27 MEETING.ANY CHANGES OR I NEED A MOTION, MAKE A MOTION CHANGE.
GO AHEAD. MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM.
THEY ASKED ME WHAT WAS THE DATE, SEPTEMBER TWENTY SEVENTH? HE FURTHER DISCUSSION, IF NONE CALL THE QUESTION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, I.
[PUBLIC COMMENTS: (Non-agenda items only)]
ALL THOSE OPPOSED.NOW WE'LL OPEN THE FLOOR TO THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE MEETING, THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
MR. GENSLER. WELL, YOU SAW ME HERE AT THE COUNCIL MEETING ON THURSDAY.
I'M HAVING AN ISSUE WITH GETTING EVERYTHING PERMITTED FOR A HOUSE THAT I'M BUILDING ON DEERFIELD STREET.
AND WHAT I WAS CITED ON THURSDAY WAS SECTION 184, WHICH DOES NOT APPLY TO ME AT ALL BECAUSE THAT'S ABOUT MAKING A NEW SUBDIVISION.
SO THE ISSUE IS THAT THE SECTION OF ROAD IS NOT.
PAVED WHERE THE HOUSE IS TO BE BUILT, BUT THERE IS AN EXISTING ROAD THERE.
SO AFTER A LOT OF SEARCHING THROUGH THE CODES, WHAT I WAS ABLE TO FIND IS ONE EIGHTY FIVE POINT ONE TO TWO, WHICH SAYS THAT THE LOCKS ON ANY NEW STRUCTURE, RIGHT, ANY NEW STRUCTURE BEING BUILT, A LOT HAS TO BE ABUTTING AN IMPROVED STREET.
SECTION 179 0001 THE SECOND PART OF THAT, THE DEFINITION OF AN IMPROVED STREET IS A STREET PRESENTLY MAINTAINED BY THE CITY OR SOME OTHER PUBLIC.
THE STREET WAS PUT IN BY THE CITY.
THE STREET'S BEEN MAINTAINED BY THE CITY EVER SINCE IT WAS DESIGNED BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. SO IT'S AN IMPERATIVE STRAIGHT, SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY I WOULD HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH BUILDING AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE THE CITY ORDINANCE CLEARLY SAYS THAT I AM ALLOWED TO AND I DON'T NEED.
DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT BEING PAVED.
IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT ANYTHING, EXCEPT IT IMPROVES STREET.
SO THAT'S THE FIRST SECTION, AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I DO HAVE IS WHY.
SO IT'S AGNES IS A STRAIGHT THAT COMES OFF A BAD COP.
THERE'S THREE OTHER STREETS DEERFIELD, OAKFIELD AND ROSE, I THINK IS THE THIRD STREET.
ALL THREE ARE MISSING FROM THE ROADS PLAN.
SO WHY WAS THAT DECISION MADE? THAT'S WHAT I'VE GOT ANY IDEA HOW MANY OTHER PRESENT HOUSES OR HOUSES BEING BUILT THAT ARE AFFECTED ON THESE THREE STREETS.
SO THERE'S I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY ARE ON ROSA AND OAK FIELD AS FAR AS DEERFIELD GOES.
THERE'S CURRENTLY FOUR HOUSES.
MINE WOULD BE THE FIFTH. AS YOU KNOW, I HARKEN BACK TO WHEN WE STARTED WITH THE ROGUE PROGRAM AND THE GOAL WAS TO DO ALL OF THE CITY STREETS IN ORDER TO DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING, MR. GENSLER, TO HAVE PEOPLE COME IN AND BUY UP THE LOTS AND BUILD NEW HOMES AND INCREASE THE TAX BASE.
I WASN'T AWARE THAT ANY STREETS HAD BEEN SKIPPED ALONG IN THE PROCESS BECAUSE WHEN IT COMES IN FRONT OF THE BOARD, WE GET THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO UNIT 15.
AND THESE ARE THE STREETS THAT WE'RE DOING.
I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER BEEN TOLD THAT ANY STREETS WE'RE EVER GOING TO BE SKIPPED.
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MIKE IS WORKING SO.WE'RE CAN NOW SORRY ABOUT THAT, SO THE TWO WORDS ARE IMPROVED HAS TO BE IMPROVED LIKE A PAVED STREET IN THE SECOND HALF IS APPROVED, MEANING THE CITY COUNCIL HAS TO ACCEPT THE STREET. WE HAVE MANY PLACES WHERE THE COUNTY HAS GIVEN THE ROAD FOR OUR APPROVAL FOR OUR ACCEPTANCE, AND SOMEHOW WE DON'T HAVE THE PIECE OF PAPER THAT SAYS WE ACCEPTED IT.
THAT MEANS THE RULE WAS NEVER ACCEPTED, AND HERE'S A SITUATION WHERE PART OF DEERFIELD WAS ACCEPTED THE SEVEN AND A HALF, BUT THE LAST PART WAS NOT.
AND WE HAVE NO DOCUMENTATION AND WE WE HAVE NO DOCUMENTATION.
THAT'S REALLY NOT AN ACCEPTED ROADWAY THAT APPROVED ROADWAY.
SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S A CITY RIGHT AWAY, EVEN THOUGH WE ALL KNOW IT'S THERE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT PUT A CUL DE SAC, WE HAVE OTHER STREETS, COLLECTOR STREETS THAT PEOPLE DRIVE AND NOT ACCEPTED.
SO THERE'S THOSE ARE THE STREETS WHERE WE GO INTO DILEMMA, SAY, DO WE PAY FOR IT OR NOT? THAT'S GOING TO BE A COUNCIL CALL.
SO THIS MAY BE THE FIRST WE HAVE.
I KNOW OF SEVERAL OTHER LOCATIONS WHERE WE HAD THE SAME PROBLEM.
WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE YET WITH ANY OTHER INSTANCES COME BEFORE COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL TO JUST TO PAVE AN UNAPPROVED STREET.
WE'VE GOT AREAS WHERE WE'VE CONSIDERED STREETS TO BE PRIVATE AND WE LEFT THOSE ALONE AND IT WAS MUTUALLY AGREED UPON BY THE RESIDENTS LIVING THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A PRIVATE STREET. SO EVEN THOUGH THERE'S NO GATE ON, IT'S A PRIVATE STREET, SO IT'S CONSIDERED NOT A PUBLIC STREET.
WE DIDN'T PAVE IT. WE'VE GOTTEN THROUGH MANY OF THOSE AREAS IN THIRTY ONE, THIRTY TWO AND AS YOU'RE GOING TO OTHER AREAS, WE'RE GOING TO FIND MORE OF THEM.
BUT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE YOU END UP WITH THESE LOCATIONS IN THESE UNITS THAT HAVE THESE NON ACCEPTABLE STREETS.
SO THIS MAY BE THE FIRST, BUT EVENTUALLY WE'LL BE HAVING UNITS THAT'S GOING TO HAVE THESE QUESTIONABLE STREETS.
WE HAVE NOT YET HAD ANY OF THOSE IN SO FAR WE'VE DONE SO FAR IN A ROW.
WELL, HERE'S THE SITUATION MR. GENSLER FINDS HIMSELF IN IS HIS TAX BILL IS GOING TO COME DUE AND HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO PAY A MILLAGE ON EVERYBODY ELSE'S STREETS AND HIS DIDN'T GET DONE.
AND THAT WAS NOT THE GOAL OF THIS ROAD PROGRAM.
I'M NOT THE ONE, I'M JUST HERE, GIVEN THE FACTS.
AGAIN, I'M JUST GIVING THE FACTS WITH COUNCIL AND THAT THIS BODY ENDORSED AND THE FACTS SHOW IS RIGHT NOW THAT THE ROAD IS NOT IMPROVED AND THE ROAD IS NOT APPROVED.
I HAVE A QUESTION. MAY I? SURE. SURE. I'M SORRY FOR THE IMPROVED.
HE GAVE THE DEFINITION BASED OFF OF WHAT HE FOUND IN SECTION ONE SEVEN NINE POINT ZERO ZERO ONE. AND THEN THE IMPROVED DEFINITION THAT YOU REFERENCED INVOLVE THE WORD PAVED.
YEAH. BECAUSE AGAIN, THE ORDINANCE THAT HE TALKS ABOUT, IT'S DIFFICULT BECAUSE THERE'S DIFFERENT SECTIONS, DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF THE ORDINANCE, DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING AT EITHER ONE, SEVEN NINE AND THE SUBDIVISIONS ARE YOU'RE LOOKING AT ANOTHER SECTION IN THE ZONING CODE OR A SECTION WHERE YOU HAVE STREETS AND IN DESIGN.
IT ALSO, IF YOU READ THROUGH IT, IT STARTS TALKING ABOUT IT HAS TO MEET THE CITY'S PUBLIC WORKS MANUAL, WHICH WAS ADOPTED BY COUNCIL AND IN THE CITY'S PUBLIC WORKS MANUAL.
IT HAS IMPROVED. STREETS ARE PAVED STREETS.
WHEN WAS THAT ADOPTED? THE PUBLIC WORKS MANUAL, I THINK, WAS ADOPTED IN TWENTY TWELVE.
OH, SORRY, TWO THOUSAND SEVEN.
SO ALL OF THE STREETS THAT WE HAVE HAD THAT HAVE NOT BEEN PAVED BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN QUITE A FEW PRIOR TO US GOING THROUGH ALL OF THIS, THOSE WOULD HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED NOT COMPLETE. AND I CAN'T GO BACK IN HISTORY OF TIME.
I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW WHAT THE I UNDERSTAND.
I'M JUST TRYING TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE WE CAN'T GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE START TO PICK AND CHOOSE WHERE SOME OF THESE THINGS APPLY AND OTHER THINGS DON'T.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE GENERAL THAT THE DEFINITION WILL APPLY TO ALL AND NOT JUST THE SOME, THE WAY WE READ IT AND THE WAY WE READ THE ORDINANCES AND IT RELATES TO THE PUBLIC WORKS MANUAL.
AND AGAIN, THAT PUBLIC WORKS MANUAL IS OUTDATED, TREMENDOUSLY WON'T WORK.
WHEN I SAY OUTDATED, IT TALKS ABOUT METHOD OF DOING THE ASPHALT.
YOU CAN'T BE THE TYPE OF ASPHALT, HOW IT WAS IDENTIFIED IN THE PUBLIC WORKS MANUAL.
THEY DON'T MAKE IT IN, BUT WE ALL KNOW WHAT IT APPLIES TO.
SO AND SEE THAT'S WHERE THE PROBLEM BECOMES IS THAT YOU ARE WE'RE WE'RE HOLDING AN OUTDATED MANUAL ACCOUNTABLE TO HOW WE MAKE DECISIONS, WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS.
SO IT IS, BUT IT'S ALL WE HAVE RIGHT NOW UNDERSTOOD.
SO THAT'S WHY WE CONSTANTLY WILL GET THE PUSHBACK FROM RESIDENTS AND FROM DIFFERENT PEOPLE IN AREAS BECAUSE YOU CAN'T MAKE SOMETHING APPLY THAT CLEARLY DOESN'T APPLY IF YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE THE PRODUCT ANYMORE.
AND. THE WAY THINGS ARE BETWEEN THE SECTIONS OF THE ORDINANCE, AND HE SAID, EVERYBODY KNOWS THIS, OK, GREAT, BUT THINGS ARE NOT THE SAME IN DIFFERENT SECTIONS AND HONESTLY, ALL WE HAVE TO GO ON IS WHAT'S PUBLISHED.
SO WE CAN'T MAKE THINGS UP BECAUSE WE THINK THAT'S THE WAY WE WANT IT TO BE OR WE THINK IT SHOULD BE. ALL WE HAVE IS BY WHAT'S PUBLISHED AND WHAT'S PUBLISHED AND APPROVED.
STREET IS A STREET THAT WAS PUT IN BY A PRIVATE PERSON.
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AND THEN BROUGHT TO COUNCIL FOR THE CITY TO MAINTAIN.THAT ORDINANCE WAS PUT IN SOMEWHERE AROUND 82, THAT'S IN ONE 182, ACTUALLY.
AND YOU CAN TELL BY READING IT WAS DONE BECAUSE OF GDC AND THE WAY THEY WERE PUTTING IN THE ROADS AND DUMPING THESE SUBSTANDARD ROADS ONTO THE CITY TO MAINTAIN.
IT'S VERY CLEAR WHEN YOU READ IT THAT, OK, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SETTING FORTH STANDARDS THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD A ROAD ON YOUR PRIVATE PROPERTY AND EXPECT THE CITY TO MAINTAIN IT, IT HAS TO BE.
DONE PROPERLY, RIGHT? AND IF NOT, THEN THE CITY IS GOING TO SAY, NO, WE DON'T WANT IT, OR IF THE CITY DOESN'T WANT TO HAVE TO PAY TO MAINTAIN IT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS OR WHATEVER, THEN WE DON'T WANT IT. SO THAT'S WHAT AN APPROVED STREET IS.
A STREET THAT THE CITY PUT IN DOESN'T HAVE TO BE APPROVED BECAUSE THE CITY PUT IT IN, IT'S THEIR STREET, THEY OWN THE PROPERTY, THEY PUT IT IN.
WHY WOULD YOU GO TO YOURSELF TO APPROVE SOMETHING YOU DID? ANYBODY ELSE? YEAH.
SO, FRANK, YOU'RE SAYING IT'S NOT AN ACCEPTED ST.
MISFORTUNE HAS NOT BEEN ACCEPTED, YEAH, FOR MY CITY SURVEYOR.
HE'S VALIDATED THAT THE PERSON THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT OF DEERFIELD IS HAS NEVER BEEN ACCEPTED. THE SOUTHERN PORTION HAS BEEN ACCEPTED ABOUT THREE HUNDRED FEET.
WHY IS THE CITY MAINTAINING A SECTION, A SECTION THAT'S NOT ACCEPTED? AGAIN, WHEN I WHEN I HAVEN'T BEEN WITH THE MAINTENANCE CREWS THAT I KNOW OF, BUT I KNOW A CUL DE SAC WAS PUT BACK THERE.
I'VE SEEN DESIGN PLANS AS WELL.
AGAIN, I CAN'T ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
THOSE ARE THE PAST. AS OF RIGHT NOW, I MEAN, I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THE ROAD HAS NOT BEEN ACCEPTED, SO IT'S CONSIDERED TO BE OUT OF OUR STREET, EVEN THOUGH IT IS A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, BUT HAS NOT BEEN ACCEPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
THAT MEANS USUALLY THE CITY HAS NO AUTHORITY ON THAT ROAD.
IT SEEMS STRANGE TO ME THAT THE CITY WOULD BE EXPENDING RESOURCES TO MAINTAIN SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE SAYING DOESN'T BELONG TO US.
THERE'S A LOT OF STREETS THAT THERE'S ASSUMPTION THAT IT WAS ACCEPTED UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT THE FACT WAS SHOWN TO US THAT THAT WASN'T.
I'M SAYING IT'S GIVEN A LOT OF US STREETS ARE GIVEN TO BE JUST LOOKS LIKE IT SMELLS LIKE AND IT IS A PUBLIC STREET AND IT IS ACCEPTED PUBLIC STREET.
THERE ARE OTHER LOCATIONS THAT WILL SHOCK YOU, BUT WE AGAIN, UNLESS OUR CITY SURVEY GOES OUT AND VERIFIES VALIDATES, THERE'S BEEN ACCEPTANCE.
OUR CITY SURVEYOR IDENTIFIED THAT IT WASN'T HAPPY WITH THE FACTS.
AS WOULD BE THE PROCESS TO ADDRESS THIS SITUATION.
THE COUNCIL CALL COUNCIL IS ALREADY DIRECTED STAFF TO IDENTIFY SOME ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS THAT WAS ADDRESSED AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING REGARDING THE DIRT ROAD REGARDING ADDITIONAL DIRT ROADS IN TERMS OF THE IMPACTS TO WHAT'S OUT THERE IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE LIVING OUT IN THAT AREA.
POTENTIALLY, IF THERE'S GOING TO BE AN ASSESSMENT NEEDED FOR THE NOT JUST EXISTING, BUT THE POTENTIAL FUTURE OF THAT ROAD IF IT TURNS OUT TO BE AN EXTENSION OF DEERFIELD, THAT WHOLE AREA WAS ONCE KNOWN AS THE MELBOURNE PINES APPLIED TO SUBDIVISION.
I MEAN, MOST OF THOSE STREETS YOU CAN'T BUILD BECAUSE IT'S BIFURCATED, CHOPPED UP, YOU KNOW, IT'S PRETTY MUCH A GHOST SUBDIVISION, BUT STILL THERE IS STILL BLIGHTED.
SO YOU CAN'T CHANGE THAT ALSO.
SO THOSE ARE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE TO BE BROUGHT BACK TO COUNCIL.
IS IT DOABLE OR IS IT NOT? IS IT FEASIBLE? IS IT NOT? WHAT'S THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH IT? THEN THE BOTTOM DIRECTION WILL BE PROBABLY GOING TO BE THE SAME DISCUSSION WITH CITY COUNCIL. ME STANDING UP THERE AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE ASKING ME THE SAME QUESTION SAY, WHAT'S YOUR TECHNICAL OPINION, MR WATANABE, UNTIL I GET ALL THE FACTS I CAN'T GIVE YOU THAT. I DON'T HAVE ALL THE FACTS.
I'M GIVING SOME OF IT RIGHT NOW.
NO, WHEN THIS WILL COME BACK TO COUNCIL, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION THAT I'VE ASKED THE RESIDENT HERE TO ALSO BRING UP.
I BELIEVE THEY'RE GOING TO WAIT TILL STAFF TAKES CARE OF ALL THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WAS ADDRESSED AND ASKED FOR.
SO IT'LL PROBABLY BE SOMETIME, MAYBE, PROBABLY LATE NOVEMBER OR DECEMBER.
I DON'T THINK THEY WANT TO DRAG THIS OUT TOO LONG.
I'D LIKE TO PUT THIS BACK ON OUR NEXT MEETING AGENDA TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO PASS FORWARD TO COUNCIL ON HOW TO DEAL WITH THIS, DO THAT CHAIR AND YOU COULD PLACE IT THAT WE'D BE HAPPY TO PLACE IT AS A AS AN AGENDA ITEM.
YEAH. WE CAN'T DO THAT TONIGHT BECAUSE IT'S NOT ON OUR AGENDA TO DO IT, TO TAKE THAT ACTION TONIGHT. MAY I ASK A QUESTION? SURE, SURE. OUT OF CURIOSITY, I'M SORRY, SIR.
CAN YOU GIVE ME YOUR NAME AGAIN, VERNON? DENSELY. ALL RIGHT.
WHEN DID THIS PROCESS START? WHEN DID YOU START THIS WHOLE PROCESS? SO WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY IN JUNE, AND WE FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS ISSUE, PROBABLY.
I GUESS LATE JULY, WHEN OUR CONTRACTOR WAS STARTING TO PUT TOGETHER ALL OF THE PAPERWORK AND, YOU KNOW, PRICE EVERYTHING OUT.
HE WANTED TO FIND OUT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE WAS GOING TO HAVE TO BE A CULVERT AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. AND THAT'S WHEN HE WAS TOLD, YOU KNOW, HEY, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO
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PAY TO. AND THAT'S THAT'S THE OTHER THING TO BE CLEAR ON, WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD SO FAR IS NOT ONLY DO I HAVE TO PAY FOR THE STREET TO BE IMPROVED, I HAVE TO HIRE MY OWN ENGINEER.MY OWN PAVING COMPANY HAVE A PUBLIC ROAD, WHICH MAHAL SAT HERE ON THURSDAY TWICE WAS ASKED BY THE MAYOR IF THERE'S A PUBLIC ROAD, AND HE SAID YES, IT IS.
SO I'M BEING ASKED TO ACTUALLY HIRE A CREW.
THAT ABSOLUTELY MAKES ZERO SENSE TO ME.
THAT'S I WAS JUST CURIOUS HOW LONG THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN GOING.
I HAVE A QUESTION. SO I UNDERSTAND IT'S IN THE PAST.
MR WATANABE. BUT WITH US PUTTING THAT CUL DE SAC THERE, THAT MEANS THAT WE THEN WE NOW ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR CONTINUING TO MAINTAIN WHATEVER WE PUT THERE THUS FAR.
RIGHT? AGAIN, FROM WHAT I HEARD, IT WAS AN ASSESSMENT BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT LOOKS FOR AS WELL, THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT SET OF CRITERIA THIS NEEDS FOR A ROADWAY TO BE A HARD SURFACE MATERIAL, AND SO THAT WAY THEY CAN MAINTAIN THEIR FIRE ENGINES TO GET TO WHERE THEY NEED TO GET TO.
THAT SAME TIME, A TURNAROUND SO THEY'LL BE ABLE TO TURN AROUND AND NOT BACK UP A FIRE ENGINE. SO THEY HAVE REQUIREMENTS THAT HAS TO HAVE A CUL DE SAC RADIUS.
AND LATELY, NOW THEY'VE BEEN GOING AND BEING MORE GENEROUS ABOUT HAVING A HAMMER HIT TURNAROUND, SO IT'S DOABLE.
BUT AGAIN, THOSE ARE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT REQUIREMENTS AND SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER THAT CREATED THIS AND THIS, I'M SORRY, THIS CUL DE SAC.
AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE HISTORY, BUT I'VE BEEN RESEARCHING.
IT SHOWS THAT IT WAS DESIGNED AND IT WAS CONSTRUCTED WITH MY WITH MY THOUGHTS OF GETTING PLANS. JUST AS WE DO GET PLANS FOR A HOUSE BECAUSE YOU MADE A STATEMENT AS FAR AS THE SURVEY OR HAVING TO GO OUT AND ASSESS AND I GUESS GIVE HIS STAMP OF APPROVAL, SAYING IT'S OURS OR IT'S NOT.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THAT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT WAS IDENTIFIED.
SURVEY WENT OUT THERE BASED ON MY DISCUSSION.
WE HAD DISCUSSION FROM A RESIDENT SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE STATUS OF OUR? WHAT HAPPENED WAS THE GENTLEMAN WENT PROBABLY TO GET A RIGHT AWAY PERMIT AND THE PROCESS OF GETTING THE RIGHT PERMIT. THE OUR TECHNICIAN SAYS, WELL, THAT'S NOT AN ACCEPTED ROADWAY. HOW SURVEYORS VERIFY THAT IT WAS AN ACCEPTED ROADWAY, THAT'S WHEN ALL THE PROBLEMS STARTED TO POP UP SOMETHING, BUT WAS THIS IDENTIFIED PRIOR TO WHEN PREVIOUS PLANS WERE WERE SEEN AND APPROVED FOR? OKAY, SO I GUESS THE NEXT MEETING, YOU CAN HAVE THOSE ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS.
I MEAN, I CAN'T GO BACKWARDS AND PULL THE PAST OF THE PAST PEOPLE THAT WERE HERE MAKING THESE DECISIONS TO MOVE FORWARD.
ABSOLUTELY. WHAT I COULD DO IS GIVE YOU A GIVE YOU GUYS THE SAME PRESENTATION THAT I'VE PROBABLY BE GIVEN TO COUNSEL.
SO I MEAN, I GUESS IN ESSENCE, GOING TO THE PAST, THOUGH, IS NOT SAYING THAT WE WANT TO CORRECT THINGS FROM THE PAST, BUT THINGS FROM THE PAST DO NEED TO BE ASSESSED SO THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T GO THROUGH THAT.
I AGREE THIS WOULD BE A GOOD EXERCISE FOR THE NEXT ONE THAT COMES AROUND THE CORNER.
ABSOLUTELY. WE GOT TO KNOW WHAT WHAT WE MISSED BEFORE BECAUSE CLEARLY SOMETHING WAS MISSED AND WE JUST CAN'T KEEP MISSING STUFF BECAUSE IT BECOMES IT CAN BECOME A LEGAL MATTER, AND IT COSTS MORE MONEY ON THE CITY'S PART, WHICH WE ALREADY SPENT ON ON A PIECE OF STREET THAT IS IN OURS. SO JUST TO BE CLEAR WHAT WHAT IS BEING REQUESTED OF THIS BOARD FOR THIS ISSUE? IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THIS IS A CITY COUNCIL DECISION.
SO WHAT? I ASK THAT IT BE BROUGHT BACK INTO OUR NEXT MEETING AND WE CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
WE THINK THEY SHOULD BE HANDLED.
BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE AT THAT POINT IT WILL HAVE ALREADY GONE INTO COUNCIL.
THAT'S A MONTH FROM NOW. RIGHT? NEXT MEETING, I THINK YOU STILL HAVE A WINDOW.
I THINK THIS BOARD WAS ESTABLISHED TO PROVIDE INPUT IN ANY INFRASTRUCTURE, ROADS, STORM WATER, I THINK IT'S APPLICABLE THAT YOU GUYS, IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO HAVE THE RESIDENT AND IF I'M DONE WITH THE ASSESSMENT, PROVIDE YOU ALL THE DETAILS AND YOU GUYS COULD THEN MAKE A JUDGMENT CALL WHICH WAY YOU WANT TO GO WITH YOUR DECISION.
THAT COULD THEN BE RELAYED TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
THEY WATCH THESE TAPES AS WELL, AND I'M SAYING SO THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON.
BUT I'VE BEEN BUILDING A HOME, RIGHT? YES. WHETHER IT BE YOUR HOME, THEY'RE BUILDING THEIR THAT.
YES, THE HOUSE WE PLAN TO RETIRE IN.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE BUILDING. RIGHT NOW, IT IS BEING HELD UP PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF THIS.
YES, WHICH TECHNICALLY MEANS THAT IT IS SOMETHING YOU WANT TO BE RESOLVED AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. YES.
YOU WILL GET AN ESTIMATE OF IF YOU WERE TO DO IT, WHAT THAT COST WOULD BE.
I JUST EVERYBODY HAS SAID IT'S GOING TO BE VERY EXPENSIVE.
THE LONG I STRETCH OUT FOR, WHAT ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT? SO FROM THE LAST DRIVEWAY? TO WHERE MY DRIVEWAY WOULD BE IS WHAT THEY WANT ME TO.
PROBABLY GOING TO BE 100 150 FEET OF ROAD.
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AND YOU SAID THAT 300 FEET OF THE SOUTHERN IS ALREADY ACCEPTED.I MEAN, IF IT IS NOT ACCEPTED.
I DON'T HAVE THAT, HE SAID, ABOUT A HUNDRED FEET.
I DON'T HAVE THAT DISTANCE, I'LL HAVE IT WHEN WHEN I HAVE MY ASSESSMENT DONE.
AND AT THE SAME TIME, I WILL GIVE YOU GUYS A COST.
I JUST FINISHED ANOTHER SECTION WHERE SOMEONE WANTS TO DO AN IMPROVED ROADWAY.
SO I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF FOOTAGE IN TERMS OF WHAT THE COST WOULD BE.
HE HAS TO IMPROVE IT UP TO OUR CURRENT STANDARD.
THING ELSE. THANK YOU, MR. GENSLER. THANK YOU. MR ABBOTT, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? OKAY. I HAVE A QUESTION.
ONE QUESTION, I'M SORRY. SO WHEN WE HAVE ANY RESIDENTS OR CONTRACTORS THAT ARE MADE RESPONSIBLE FOR SAVING OR DOING ANYTHING TO A ROADWAY, USING A VENDOR THAT IS NOT BASICALLY APPROVED BY THE CITY IS A CITY NOW BECAUSE THEN THE CITY THEN HAS TO MAINTAIN THAT ROAD ONCE THEY FINISH WHATEVER THEY'RE DOING.
CORRECT? IT'S IN YOUR SITUATION, YOU ASK ME, LIKE THIS, A DEVELOPER COMES IN, HE'S DOING A SUBDIVISION, HE'S GOT TO DO A PORTION OF A ROADWAY.
TALK, BUT ACCEPT IT AND MAKE SURE THAT THE ROADWAY IS UP TO OUR STANDARDS.
TYPICALLY, WHAT HAPPENS IN THESE SITUATIONS WHERE WE HAVE A ROAD BEING BUILT BY AN OUTSIDE CONTRACTOR, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE NO ONE BONDS THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAPPEN DURING THE CONSTRUCTION, WE PULL THEM ON.
TYPICALLY, WE HAVE A ONE YEAR WARRANTY.
SO DURING THAT ONE YEAR TIME DEFICIENCY, WE CAN THEN TELL THEM TO COME BACK BECAUSE WE HAVE A ONE YEAR WARRANTY AND HE'S HELD TO THAT.
WE PULL ANOTHER BOND AGAIN, AND SO WE HAVE WAYS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE QUALITY CONTROL IS THERE. THE WARRANTY THERE.
MOST OF THESE CONTRACTORS HAVE THAT IN PLACE, SO RARITY THAT WE MAY HAVE A SMALL LOCATION WHERE THEY MAY DO SOME SMALL REPAIRS, BUT THAT PROCESS TYPICALLY GOES TO.
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT THE QUALITY CONTROL WILL THEN BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY, BUT IF YOU'RE TELLING A RESIDENT OR A CONTRACTOR TO GO OUT AND FIND YOUR OWN PAY FOR YOUR OWN, DO YOUR OWN.
THE WARRANTY DOESN'T SIT WITH THE CITY, EVEN THOUGH HE SAYS THAT THE DESIGN HAS TO BE REVIEWED BY STAFF. THE WORK WILL BE INSPECTED BY STAFF AND RESULT TO BE BE SIGNED OFF AND PUNCHED OFF BY STAFF.
EVERYTHING WILL BE WILL GO THROUGH A PROCESS WHERE THE CITY HAS TO REVIEW AND A.
SO I GUESS WE CAN DISCUSS IT AT THE OTHER, BECAUSE THIS IS A THOUGH THAT IS PART OF MY BIG ISSUE TOO. THERE'S A HUGE RISK BOTH ME AND THE CITY, IF IT'S DONE THAT WAY AND I'M CERTAIN THAT THE CITY IS NOT GOING TO SIGN WHAT MY LAWYER WILL COME UP WITH TO PROTECT ME. BECAUSE AT THE END, IF YOU READ THAT ACCEPTANCE CLAUSE THE CITY, I CAN DO ALL THIS WORK ALL THE WAY UP TO THE ENGINEERING STANDARDS.
EVERYTHING CAN BE PERFECT AND COUNCIL WILL GO, YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO DO THIS.
WE DON'T FEEL LIKE ACCEPTING IT.
AND NOW I'M OUT, YOU KNOW, $100000.
AND AS SOMEBODY SAID EARLIER, I'M PROBABLY.
SO. IT'S THE WHOLE THING DOESN'T.
THINK WHEN THIS COMES BACK, CAN WE GET A CLEAR DEFINITION FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ON WHAT THE ACTUAL TRUE DEFINITION OF ACCEPTED IS? I'LL ASK THEM. I'LL GET SOME INFORMATION ON THAT.
AGAIN, AGAIN, THIS EXERCISE IS GOING TO GO EVENTUALLY BACK TO COUNCIL, AND THAT'S WHEN THE CITY ATTORNEY WILL BE SITTING PROVIDING HER ATTORNEY JUDGMENT CALL.
I THINK I THINK THE COUNCIL WANTS TO AVOID THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
I THINK THAT'S THE REASON WHY THEY ASK STAFF TO GO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THE FACTS ARE, PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL DIRECTION TO ASSIST, MAYBE NOT HAVE TO GO THAT ROUTE.
I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID THAT ROUTE.
IF YOU. BUT BOB BABCOCK STREET HERE.
ARE THE RULES IN THEIR FIELD GOING TO BE AS A PART OF THIS PROCESS? YEAH. YEAH. BECAUSE IT WASN'T ACCEPTABLE, WASN'T ACCEPTED OR IMPROVE.
PART OF IT WAS PART OF IT SHOULD BE ON YOUR LIST, THEN THE ROADS IN THAT UNIT.
I FORGOT WHAT UNIT THAT IS, BUT THAT ROAD, ALL THE EXISTING ROADS, THE ROADS HAVE BEEN ACCEPTED OR WILL BE PART OF THE ROAD PAVEMENT PROGRAM.
HOWEVER, THE MELBOURNE PINES SUBDIVISION, IF YOU PULL IT UP, THOSE ARE GHOST ROADS.
HALF THOSE ROADS ARE CHOPPED UP AND TORN UP FROM OTHER PEOPLE DOING WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO WITH THEIR DEVELOPMENTS AND BEEN VACATED SO THAT SO-CALLED MELBOURNE PINES SUBDIVISION, THERE'S A FEW STREETS THAT PROBABLY COULD EXPAND, BUT A LOT OF THEM YOU CAN'T BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN BIFURCATED AND VACATED.
AND THOSE STREETS AGAIN, THOSE ARE GHOST STREETS.
I'M NOT PAVING THOSE STREETS. THOSE STREETS PLOTTED ANYWHERE.
YEAH, THEY'RE ORIGINALLY PLOTTED.
BUT WERE THEY ACCEPT IT? IS WHERE WERE THEY ACCEPTED? THAT'S THE KEY ONE. A LOT OF THIS BECAUSE DEERFIELD IS AT THE BORDER, RIGHT, WHERE THE COUNTY ALSO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR CERTAIN AREAS RIGHT THERE BY BABCOCK IN THAT NORTHERN HALF, RIGHT THERE, JUST SOUTH OF FOUNTAIN PARK.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? THAT WHOLE AREA BACK THERE AND IT'S HEAVILY WETLANDS IN THAT AREA. ISN'T THAT ALSO ONE OF THE FEW UNITS WHERE YOU CAN DO IT, A TINY HOME IN THE CITY?
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I'M NOT SURE WHERE THOSE TINY HOMES WERE IDENTIFIED, ONE OF THEM.IT WAS ZONED RURAL RESIDENTIAL A WHILE AGO, AND THEN NOTHING WAS CHANGED IN THE PLANNING.
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THAT'S TRUE. FRANK, YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION ON THE TRANSITION PLAN.YEAH, WE'LL MOVE ON TO MY PRESENTATION TONIGHT, AND IT'S MAINLY ON WHAT THEY CALLED THE A.D.A. TRANSITION PLAN.
I HAVE A POWERPOINT. I'M JUST GOING TO HIGHLIGHT THIS OVERALL AID PLAN.
THE 88 PLAN IS REQUIRED UNDER THE FEDERAL STATUTE, AND THE REASON WHY I'M DOING THIS IS I'M TAG TEAMING WITH OUR HR DIRECTOR.
COORDINATOR, AND THOUGH SHE HAS THE AID COMPONENT OF IT FROM AN HR STANDPOINT, I HAVE THE TECHNICAL COMPONENT FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT SO COMBINED TO US, WE'RE PROVIDING THIS DOCUMENT.
I GAVE YOU GUYS A COPY OF THE 88 TRANSITION PLAN REPORT.
IT'S A DRAFT DOCUMENT AND THIS PRESENTATION HERE IS JUST KIND OF SUMMARIZES THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT DOCUMENT, THE REQUIREMENTS OF THAT DOCUMENT.
AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE IF YOU'RE IF NOT A WORD, YOU KNOW, THE ADA, THE AMERICAN DISABILITY ACT, IT WAS ESTABLISHED BACK IN NINETEEN.
THREE. BUT THE 1970 THREE AMERICAN DISABILITY ACT ACTUALLY WAS.
IT WAS NOT CALLED THAT IT WAS, I THINK IT WAS CALLED THE REHABILITATION ACT LATER ON BECAUSE IF YOU READ THE DEFINITION, IT REALLY TALKED ABOUT MAKING SURE YOU HAVE ADA AND YOU DON'T DISCRIMINATE BASED ON FEDERAL FUNDS BEING.
AND THEN IN 1990, IT CHANGED TO A CLEARER DEFINITION THAT SAYS USING ANY FUNDS OF ANY IMPORTANCE, YOU CAN'T DISCRIMINATE AGAINST THE DISABLED.
IT WAS A CLEAR DISTINCTION BETWEEN NINETEEN SEVENTY THREE AND NINETEEN NINETY, AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS THE 1990S.
SO I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT AS A FEDERAL STATUTE, WE'RE ALL MANDATED BY LAW.
THE NEXT SLIDE BASICALLY TALKS ABOUT OUR ADA TRANSITION PLAN THAT I GIVE YOU GUYS A COPY OF, AND I'LL GO OVER THE DETAILS BECAUSE YOU COULD, YOU COULD.
YOU COULD RESEARCH ADA TRANSITION PLAN.
YOU COULD FIND A THOUSAND PAGES, A HUNDRED PAGES MINDS THE PALM BAY QUICK VERSION BECAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SO MANY THINGS TO DO, AND I JUST HIT THE KEY ISSUES BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY ISSUES LIKE THIS ISSUE OF STREETS, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS IS DOABLE.
A LOT OF TIMES THESE DOCUMENTS, THEY GET STARTED AND THEY'RE NOT DOABLE, SO THEY JUST KIND OF DIE OFF.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S DOABLE.
BUT AGAIN, I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS UNDER REQUIREMENTS, SO IT'S REQUIRED THE COURT IS GOING TO DO IT US AS A LOCAL CITY, AS A LOCAL ENTITY.
YOU NEED TO GET THIS ESTABLISHED.
I THINK WE'RE IN THIS PROCESS RIGHT NOW AND GETTING IT FORWARD.
WE GET A PLUS BECAUSE A LOT OF CITIES HAVE ALREADY ESTABLISHED ADA TRANSITION PLANS.
WHEN I WAS A CONSULTANT, I WAS PREPARING SEVERAL DAYS, SO I PRETTY MUCH TOOK AN OLD VERSION OF THAT I HAD AND HELP PASTE ONE BECAUSE IT WAS A LOT QUICKER.
SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A FEDERAL REQUIREMENT.
VINCENT, THE NEXT SLIDE, IT REALLY TIES INTO THE ADA TITLE X.
THERE'S A THREE TITLE X, THE TITLE ONE TITLE TWO TITLE THREE TYPE TWO IS THE ONE THAT APPLIES TO US. NAMELY, TITLE TWO IS ONE THAT TALKS ABOUT PUBLIC STREETS AND PUBLIC ACCESS. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THEN OUR SIDEWALKS, OUR PARKING LOTS ARE OUR INTEREST WAYS INTO FACILITIES. TITLE THREE TIES A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO THAT BECAUSE IT TALKS MORE ABOUT FACILITIES, BUT OUR APPLICATION IS REALLY ON TITLE TWO AND REALLY BASICALLY SAYS, YOU KNOW, WE CANNOT DISCRIMINATE.
NEXT SLIDE. IN THE DETAILS, I WANT TO GO OVER WITH TITLE TWO ARE SOME OF THE DETAILS THAT THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE INCLUDE IN THIS TRANSITION PLAN, AND IT'S UNDER THE FEDERAL STATUTE THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE THESE COMPONENTS.
NUMBER ONE, YOU NEED TO DELEGATE A RESPONSIBLE EMPLOYEE, WHICH IS TYPICALLY YOU HAVE AN AD COORDINATOR, WHICH I MENTIONED IS OUR HR DIRECTOR.
WE ADOPT THE ADA A GRIEVANCE PROCEDURE.
IN OTHER WORDS, IT HAS TO BE SOME SORT OF PROCESS.
IF SOMEONE FALLS IN AGREEMENTS, WHAT'S THE MECHANISM? WHAT'S THE PROCESS? WE NEED TO HAVE A THEY CALL IT A SELF-EVALUATION OF THE SYSTEM, AND THAT'S GOING TO COME LATER ON.
ALL I WANT TO DO IS ESTABLISH IT AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THERE'S THERE'S A SELF-EVALUATION AND THIS WILL COME BACK TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE ADVISORY BOARD AT A LATER DATE AND THEN A DEVELOPMENT OF A TRUE TRANSITION PLAN THAT WILL WORK TOWARDS A MORE DETAILED ONE.
BUT THIS IS JUST TO GET THIS CURRENT ONE STARTED.
SO WE MEET THOSE FOUR MAJOR COMPONENTS THAT FED SAYS WE HAVE TO DO.
SO THE NEXT SLIDE, VINCENT, I KIND OF TOOK THE SELF-EVALUATION AND THE TRANSITION PLAN AND MERGE THEM TOGETHER AND MAKE SURE YOU IDENTIFY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HAVE THESE ITEMS OF A TRANSITION PLAN THAT TALKS, BUT WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY ANY OBSTACLES THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE BOTH A PHYSICAL STANDPOINT, POLICY STANDPOINT, DECISION STANDPOINT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A METHOD TO CORRECT THESE DEFICIENCIES.
THAT'S THE REASON WHY I GAVE YOU THAT MAP THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO START MOVING FORWARD WITH SOME SORT OF INVENTORY.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS ESTABLISH A PROCESS TO TAKE CARE OF THESE ISSUES, DEVELOP A SCHEDULE, MAKE SURE WE CAN MEET THOSE SCHEDULES AND THE FUNDING SOURCE.
AND THEY MAKE SURE IT'S APPLICABLE AND WE IMPLEMENT IT AS BEST AS WE COULD.
SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE CRITERIAS SELF-EVALUATION WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THAT'S THAT'S ALL IN THE REPORT. THE NEXT SLIDE ACTUALLY TALKS ABOUT THE STEP BY STEP MECHANISM.
SO BASICALLY, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A WORK PLAN.
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THAT'S THAT'S THAT DOCUMENT I GAVE YOU GUYS.YOU HAD TO CONDUCT SURVEYS AND INVENTORIES.
WE HAVE A GOOD STARTING POINT.
I GIVE YOU GUYS THAT MAP, THAT'S OUR INVENTORY OF TWENTY 10.
SO AS FOR US TO TAKE CARE OF, WE NEED TO DEVELOP THE REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATION.
ONCE WE START IDENTIFYING WHERE WE HAVE GAPS AND DEFICIENCIES, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PUBLIC PROCESS. THERE'S A LENGTHY PROCESS.
THIS IS ONE OF THEM RIGHT NOW.
IS THAT THE PUBLIC MEETING? SO THIS IS A START OF A PUBLIC PROCESS OF OUR TRANSITION PLAN, BUT WE'LL HAVE MANY MORE AS THIS MOVES FORWARD.
WE NEED TO PUBLISH THIS PLAN EVENTUALLY AND THIS PROCESS AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH IT AND THEN WE IMPLEMENT THE PLAN ITSELF.
SO THOSE ARE THE STEP BY STEP TRANSITION PLAN.
NEXT STEP BASICALLY TALKS ABOUT AGAIN THE KEY COMPONENTS, WHICH IS THE AD COORDINATOR CREATING THIS NEW ADA TRANSITION PLAN.
HE WENT FOR US IS GOING TO BE DOING THE INVENTORY AND GET BACK TO YOU GUYS AND INVENTORY WHERE WE HAVE GAPS, WE HAVE DEFICIENCIES IMPROVE ON ADA AND THEN FINALLY MAKING SURE THERE'S A GRIEVANCE PROCEDURES.
I GIVE YOU GUYS THERE IS A GRIEVANCE PROCEDURE THAT THE HR DEPARTMENT HAS ACCEPTED THAT'S IN THERE AS WELL. INTO THE NEXT SLIDE BASICALLY SHOWS YOU WHAT I GAVE YOU ALREADY.
WE HAVE A TWENTY 10 INVENTORY SURVEY OF OUR SIDEWALKS, OUR PATHWAYS AND OUR ACCESS POINT.
SO WE HAVE A STARTING POINT AT LEAST.
BUT IN THAT STARTING POINT, WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE SIDEWALK DEFICIENCIES WHERE WE HAVE GAPS AND WE NEED TO HAVE CONNECTIVITY.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE CURB RAMPS, TRUNCATED DOMES AS APPLICABLE AS WE NEED TO.
MOST OF OUR, I CALL IT, MOST OF OUR MAJOR ROADWAYS.
THE PROBLEM IS GOING TO BE CHALLENGING.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE THEM ON EVERY CURVE.
IT BECOMES CHALLENGING A LOT OF THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS, YOU KNOW, WE ENCOURAGE WE CAN'T USE DRIVEWAYS WITH THOSE RAMPS AND STUFF BECAUSE IT'S NOT FEASIBLE, YOU KNOW, FROM A COST STANDPOINT, TO DO EVERY ROAD AND EVERY STREET AND IN THE ADA TITLE TO ACT DOES SAY THAT THERE'S A THERE'S A CRAZY TO HEAR THIS IN THE ADA ACT OF THE RECENT CHANGES.
THERE'S ONE THEY CALL IT DISPROPORTIONALITY.
THAT MEANS IF YOUR IMPROVEMENT COSTS, COST IS 20 PERCENT.
OF COURSE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO IT BECAUSE THERE'S A DISPROPORTIONALITY, IF YOU SEE GOOD EXAMPLE WAS BECAUSE I WAS DOING ONE WHEN WE WERE BUILDING A BASEBALL, WHAT I CALL A PRESS BOX. AND THE PRESS BOX AT THE TIME SAID, OH, YOU HAD TO HAVE AN ELEVATOR BECAUSE THAT'S A PUBLIC AREA. THAT'S AN ELEVATOR.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE COST TO DO THE PRESS BOX WAS LIKE A HUNDRED THOUSAND COST.
THE ELEVATOR WAS LIKE LIKE A HALF A MILLION.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, WELL, THAT PROJECT DIED BECAUSE OF THAT LAW WASN'T THERE.
THE NEW LAW SAYS, NO, IT'S CALLED DISPROPORTIONALITY.
STILL, YOU HAVE TO TRY TO DO THE BEST YOU CAN TO ATTAIN EIGHTY, YOU KNOW, STANDARDS.
BUT IF YOU CAN'T, YOU'RE OK AS IN THE LAW.
SO THIS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IDENTIFIES THAT YOU CAN'T ALL OF A SUDDEN THIS PLACE, THESE HUGE COSTS WHERE IT'S NOT AS DISPROPORTIONAL, IT'S NOT FAIR BECAUSE THE BENEFIT WAS NOW THAT THE KIDS DIDN'T HAVE A PRESS BOX, YOU KNOW, AND SO THE OVERALL NEED TO HAVE THAT PRESS PASS SO THE KIDS COULD PLAY THEIR BASEBALL WAS NEEDED AND TO HAVE AN ELEVATOR THERE WAS DISPROPORTIONAL. THAT'S A GOOD ANALOGY OF WHERE I'VE SEEN THIS DISPROPORTIONALITY AND A LOT OF PLACES WHERE THEY TRY TO DO SOMETHING AND THE COST OF THE ACA IS WAY OVER THE COST OF THE ACTUAL PROJECT ITSELF.
SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S THAT 20 PERCENT RULE NOW.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S IN THERE, TOO.
SO WE'RE GOING TO DO OUR BEST TO MEET ADA COMPLIANCE, BUT THERE'S THAT 20 PERCENT OUT THERE. WE CAN HANG OUR HAT ON.
THIS IS DISPROPORTIONATE. FEDERAL LAW REQUIREMENTS JUST MAKE SURE YOU'RE AWARE THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT, BUT THAT'S IN THERE IN THE ADA ACT.
AND THAT'S HOW A LOT OF THINGS GET BUILT AND MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE YOU'D BE SURPRISED HOW YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU STILL SAY THAT SEE BASEBALL DUGOUTS THAT DON'T HAVE THE ELEVATOR UNDER FEDERAL LAW SHOULD DISPROPORTIONALITY.
BUT I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THE MAP, THE NEXT SLIDE JUST GOES, WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? BASICALLY.
BASICALLY, I'M JUST PRESENTING IT TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE ADVISORY BOARD FOR YOUR ENDORSEMENT. I HOPE YOU GUYS ENDORSE IT.
THEN THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE TAKE THIS TO CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY COUNCIL, TO REVIEW IT, AND HOPEFULLY THEY'LL APPROVE IT.
AND THEN THAT WAY, WE'LL START MOVING FORWARD WITH THE ACTUAL PLAN.
AND THEN MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO COME BACK TO YOU GUYS AFTER WE HAVE A CHANCE TO WORK ON THE INVENTORY, IDENTIFY WHERE WE HAVE GAPS AND DEFICIENCIES, WHERE WE NEED TO GET YOUR GUIDANCE IN A YEAR FROM NOW.
COME BACK WITH AN UPDATE, SEE WHERE WE ARE AND WE MOVE FORWARD WITH MAYBE THE SELF-EVALUATION PORTION OF IT.
THAT'S WHAT WE THAT'S WHAT WE ARE TODAY AND WHERE WE'RE HEADED TOMORROW WILL BE BASED ON YOUR DECISION AND CITY COUNCIL.
AN ANSWER TO QUESTION. WAIT, I GOT SOME PHOTOGRAPHS HERE NEXT.
JUST, I MEAN, THESE SLIDES ARE TAKEN.
THEY'RE NOT MINE. THESE SLIDES ARE TAKEN BECAUSE THIS WAS THIS WAS AN I WENT TO AN ADA CLASS AND THEY HAD A FEW OF THESE SLIDES.
SO I THOUGHT THEY WERE PRETTY FUNNY.
LIKE THIS ONE HERE? YOU HAD THE PRETTY OBVIOUS AND YOU CAN'T PUT A BOOK, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF THESE TOO. YOU GOT TO PULL RIGHT IN MIDDLE OF THE SIDEWALK.
THE NEXT ONE SHOWS WHERE YOU HAVE A POOR 88 PERSON IN A WHEELCHAIR YOU SEE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. THERE'S NO RAMP. THAT'S A NO BRAINER.
YOU GUYS, THOSE ARE OUT THERE, SO I MEAN, THOSE ARE CHALLENGES TO THE 88 PERCENT ON THE
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NEXT SLIDE. WE HAVE A LOT OF THESE CONNECTIVITY WHERE WE DON'T HAVE CONNECTIVITY BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IS WE HAVE A SIDEWALK THAT ENDS MAYBE A CELL DIVISION AND BUILT HIS FRONT.IT JUST STOPS. AND THEN THE NEXT SUBDIVISION, YOU KNOW, A GOOD WAYS AWAY STARTS UP AND THERE'S A GAP. SO THAT'S WHERE YOU HAVE TO HAVE CONNECTIVITY.
AND THIS LAST SLIDE HERE, WE HAVE A LOT OF THESE TOOLS.
WE HAVE DAMAGES AND DEFICIENCIES AND SIDEWALKS.
THEY NEED TO BE TAKEN CARE OF THROUGH OUR MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT.
SO WE NEED TO BE ON THE HOOK TO LOOK FOR THESE THINGS AND REPAIR THESE SIDEWALKS.
THAT'S THE LAST ONE, RIGHT? THE LAST ONE IS THIS ONE WHERE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A DOUBLE WHAMMY WHERE NEITHER HERB PUT IN.
WE DON'T HAVE THIS, BUT THERE ARE CITIES THAT HAVE THIS WHERE THEY'RE OH, THEY'RE THEY'RE PAST THE POINT WHERE THERE WAS ADA REQUIREMENTS AND YOU HAVE HERE A SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE NO RAMPS AT ALL.
AND SO THAT ADA PERSON IS CHALLENGED TO GO UP THE STREET TO FIND A DRIVEWAY.
THOSE ARE JUST SOME PHOTOGRAPHS THAT I FOUND WAS TO SHOW YOU SOME DEFICIENCIES AND HAPPINESS. MIKE EDIYOR, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? ERKAN, DISABILITY ACT.
THE OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD.
YES, YEAH. FROM THE JUNE 20 10 SIDEWALK INVENTORY.
HAVE ANY OF THOSE HAS THERE BEEN ANY TYPE OF PROGRESS AT ALL WITH ANY OF THE.
SUBMITTED FOR GRANT FUNDING UNDER CONSTRUCTION OR THE PROPOSED SIDEWALKS? NOT REALLY. I THINK THIS PLAN WHEN IT WAS DONE, I THINK IT WAS A GOOD STARTING POINT AGAIN. BUT THEN I THINK KIND OF WHOEVER WAS DOING IT DIDN'T FOLLOW THROUGH AND LIKE SAYING A LOT OF PEOPLE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THIS EXISTED.
WE HAVEN'T BEEN MOVING FORWARD WITH SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS.
A LOT OF THE SAFE HOUSES SCHOOLS ARE SHOWN ON HERE.
THE RED ON ELDORADO WAS SOMETHING THAT I WANTED TO DO, AND IT'S STILL ON MY LIST TO DO, WHICH IS THAT LAST SEGMENT.
ALCOHOL. MARK MADDEN, THERE'S A LITTLE PARK DOWN THERE AT MADDEN PARK.
THERE'S NO WAY TO GET TO IT, AND RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA WOULD LOVE TO GET DOWN THERE, BUT THERE'S NO SIDEWALK TO WALK TO IT.
SO THAT'S WHY THOSE REQUESTS AND THAT'S WHY IT'S RED RIGHT THERE.
SEE, AS A FUTURE SIDEWALK PLAN, THERE'S A LOT OF THESE SIDEWALKS THAT MAKE SENSE THAT ARE SHOWN IN RED. I'M JUST TRYING TO CONFIRM THE ONES IN ORANGE THAT SAYS SIDEWALK SUBMITTED FOR GRANT FUNDING AND THE ONES IN GREEN THAT SAY UNDER CONSTRUCTION ARE FUNDED TO BE CONSTRUCTION. THIS WAS 11 YEARS AGO.
OR HAVE THESE BEEN DONE OR DID WE LOSE THE GRANT FUNDING OR DID WE LOSE THE FUNDING? LIKE, I'M JUST I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE IN TERMS OF THESE GRANT PROJECTS, GRANT.
I KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING. JUST LOOKING AT IT FROM YOUR KOGA IS NOT HOW THESE ARE CONSTRUCTED. GIDEON IT ONE MORE TIME.
SORRY, THEY'RE NOT CONSTRUCTED.
YOU'RE SAYING THE ONES THAT ARE GREEN UNDER CONSTRUCTION ARE FUNDED TO BE CONSTRUCTED AGAIN. THESE ARE 2010, SO THE THE ORANGE, THE GREEN AND EVEN THE RED, NONE OF THOSE ARE CONSTRUCTED. AND I KNOW THAT FOR A FACT LIKE SAN FILIPPO, THERE'S NO SIDEWALK IN THAT SOUTHERN. EXACTLY.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I UNDERSTAND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU.
BUT JUST FOR FURTHER RECORD, THIS IS ALARMING BECAUSE IF YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT WE HAD GRANT FUNDING IN PLACE BACK IN 2010, AND HERE WE ARE IN 2021 AND THEY'RE NOT DONE, WHERE DID WE? DID WE? I CAN'T SPEAK ON THIS. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I'M SAYING, I'M SAYING IT ON.
FOR THE RECORD, AS WE TALK ABOUT THE CITY OF PALM BAY AND ALL OF THE ALLEGATIONS THAT HAVE COME UP WITH FUNDING ISSUES AND MONETARY.
ISSUES. IT'S ALARMING TO KNOW THAT SOMETHING THAT SAYS THAT IT WAS SUBMITTED FOR GRANT FUNDING, THAT WE DON'T SEE THE SIDEWALK OR A DENIAL FROM FROM THE GRANT THAT WE FUNDED OR TO THE ONES THAT SAY THAT THEY WERE UNDER CONSTRUCTION OR FUNDED TO BE CONSTRUCTED THAT 11 YEARS LATER, THERE IS NOTHING THAT IS A PROBLEM FOR THE RECORD, AND I KNOW IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU BECAUSE IT WAS IN THE PAST.
BUT THESE ARE THINGS THAT THE PUBLIC WHY THE PUBLIC SIDE IS AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY I'M BRINGING THIS TO GUYS'S ATTENTION THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS, THIS DOCUMENT THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO A CLEAN SLATE WITH OUR GUYS TO CREATE A NEW DOCUMENT THAT'S GOING TO SHOW WHAT'S EXISTING AS AN INVENTORY.
AND WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS WE MOVE FORWARD.
SO THAT'S WHERE IN THIS PROCESS OF THIS FINDING THESE GAPS AND DEFICIENCIES AND ALL THESE REDS AND GREENS IN ORANGE WILL TURN OFF.
AND THEN WE'LL START WITH A CLEAN SLATE THAT SAYS, WHERE DO WE WANT TO HAVE IT BASED ON OUR NEEDS IN THE BUDGET BECAUSE IT ALL COMES BACK TO THE BUDGET? RIGHT NOW, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW OUR CURRENT CFP FOR FISCAL YEAR, TWENTY TWENTY TWO.
NO SIDEWALK. LAST YEAR, KNOW SO WELL, THE THREE YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE, NO SIDEWALK.
BUT THE ONLY REASON WHY WE'RE DOING SIDE ALSO, WE GOT FEDERAL GRANT FROM SAFE TO SCHOOL TO PUT IN SCHOOL SIDEWALK FOR THE SCHOOL KIDDIES.
THAT'S IT. WHICH IS A VERY IMPORTANT.
BEFORE COVID CAME IN THE CITY I PREVIOUSLY WORKED IN, THERE ARE THERE ARE LEGIT ATTORNEYS THAT ARE GOING AROUND TRYING TO FIND CASES LIKE THIS.
YOU KNOW, ONCE COVID CALMS BACK DOWN, I'M QUITE SURE THEY'LL BE RAMPING RIGHT BACK UP TRYING TO FIND THESE ISSUES AND MAKING THEM A PROBLEM FOR CITIES ALL OVER AGAIN.
SO DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO WORK INTO THE BUDGET.
IF I THINK ABOUT THE ADA PLANNER, YOU TALK, YOU'RE SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT AN ADA PLAN
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FOR PUBLIC WORKS.ARE YOU TALKING CITYWIDE CITIES? THIS IS THE CITY'S ADA PLAN, RIGHT? BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WITH PARK AND REC THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AS FAR AS ADA. IT'S IT'S VERY GLOBAL.
YOU'RE RIGHT. YES, SIR. RIGHT, YOU SAID THAT THERE'S A DISPROPORTIONATE QUALIFIER, CORRECT TITLE ACCESSORIES, IF YOU THERE'S A 20 PERCENT RULE, IT'S CALLED DISPROPORTIONALITY, WHERE IF YOUR CONSTRUCTION COSTS THE SAME FOR DOING A ROADWAY.
TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND TO PUT IN A GOOD ROADWAY.
AND THEN TO PUT IT IN THE AD COMPONENTS OF IT, LET'S SAY PUT IN SIDEWALK CONNECTIVITY.
THAT'S ONE HUNDRED PERCENT. SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO IT.
HOWEVER, IT SAID YOU GOT TO DO YOUR BEST ATTEMPT.
WHAT WOULD BE WOULD BE MAYBE TO DO ALL THE CURB RAMPS.
MAYBE YOU DO SOME PORTION OF CONNECTIVITY.
MAYBE YOU DO WHATEVER YOU CAN TO MAKE IT SO YOU TRY TO MAKE IT ACCESSIBLE, BUT THE BEST YOU COULD. AND THAT WAY, THE PROJECT DOESN'T DIE.
A NUMBER OF, WELL, HERE ARE HOW MANY IS POSTED YET BECAUSE WE'RE STILL BUILDING.
HERE'S A GOOD EXAMPLE CASTLE LAST YEAR WHEN WE TOOK THE ORIGINAL FIRST YEAR COUNCIL SAID ROAD PAVING PERIOD, NOTHING ELSE BECAUSE THERE WAS SO MANY BELLS AND WHISTLES BEING THROWN AT THEM. SECOND YEAR, I SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE GOT TO FOLLOW FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING SOME OF THESE MAJOR ROADWAYS, MAJOR ROADWAYS.
WE'VE GOT SOME. WE GOT SOME RAMPS.
WE NEED TO PUT IN AND WE NEED TO WE NEED TO MEET ADA.
THEY SAID, CLEARLY, YOU'RE RIGHT.
YOU'RE RIGHT, THAT'S A FEDERAL STATUTE ON THE MAJOR, ON THE MAJOR CLICKED AS WE HAVE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN PUTTING IN CURB RAMPS, WE'VE BEEN PUTTING IN TRUNCATED DOMES.
THEY'RE TRYING TO BEAT THE ADA STANDARD, BUT ON THE MAJOR ROADS.
SO THERE'S THERE IS A HIGHER USE ON THOSE MAJOR ROADS AND THERE'S A NEED FOR THE ADA AS YOU GET AWAY FROM THOSE MAJOR ROADS AND ALL THE LOCAL ROADS.
NO, JUST SAYING THE ROAD BOND MONEY WILL BE ALL GONE.
AGAIN, THAT GOES BACK TO DISPROPORTIONALITY, TRYING TO DO WHAT WE CAN DO WHERE THE DEMAND IS NEEDED FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE.
BUT YOU CAN'T DO EVERY STREET.
OH, I KNOW THIS WAS BEFORE YOUR TIME.
BUT IS THERE ANY WAY WE COULD GET SOME REPORT ON WHAT HAPPENED TO THE ROADS UNDER CONSTRUCTION? SIDEWALKS.
I AGREE WITH THAT. I THINK WE GET AN UPDATE FROM THIS PLAN TO WHAT OR IS THAT WHAT, WHAT IS PROPOSED? I THINK THE BEST THING WOULD BE TO MOVE FORWARD AND THEN START WHAT WE NEED FOR ME TO TRY TO RESEARCH, YOU KNOW, SKELETONS AND CLOSETS.
I MEAN, THIS IS A I DON'T HAVE THE MANPOWER AND THE TIME TO DO ALL THIS.
I'M GIVING YOU THE FACTS HERE.
THIS WAS THIS IS IN OUR COMP PLAN.
BUT AGAIN, I DOESN'T EVEN KNOW EXISTED.
I FOUND IT. YOU'RE ASKING US TO APPROVE YOUR PLAN, WHICH IS WHICH IS TO GET THE INVENTORY OF ALL THE SIDEWALKS DONE.
CORRECT. MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO TAKE THIS PLAN AND I'LL BRING YOU BACK WHAT WE HAVE AS EXISTING AND WHAT WE HAVE FUNDED AND WE HAVE UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
THAT'S THEN WE START FROM THERE.
THAT'S THE BEST WE COULD DO FOR RIGHT NOW.
TRY TO GO BACKWARDS IN TIME AND TO FIND OUT WHO GOT THE GRANT WHERE THE GRANT GOES, OH NO, NO, NO, NO. THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S A DIFFERENT FORM OF INVESTIGATION.
WE JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF IT WAS EXHAUSTED.
SO I'M SAYING BECAUSE IT IS HERE THAT IT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND WAS NEVER DONE BECAUSE I KNOW SAN FELIPE HAS DONE THAT ERA.
MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE, AS WE MOVE FORWARD, I WILL BRING BACK TO YOU A NICE, CLEAN NEW MAP THAT SHOWS WHAT WE HAVE AS OF TODAY OR WHEN I COME BACK.
WHAT WE WOULDN'T WANT TO HAPPEN IS.
IF THIS THING'S APPROVED GOES THROUGH THE PROCESS.
I YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, WE COME BACK AND WE ARE STILL AT THE SAME.
IN THAT, AND I AGREE WITH THAT, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE CAN'T BEAT A DEAD HORSE VIRTUALLY, BUT IT STILL REMAINS THAT THIS DOCUMENT WAS WAS PUBLISHED WITH VERY INCORRECT INFORMATION, WHICH IS CRAZY.
WE CAN'T. WHATEVER THE CASE IS, IT'S ANOTHER FORM OF AN INVESTIGATION, BUT IT'S NOT AS IF THEY SAID ALL OF THESE ARE PROPOSED SIDEWALKS.
THESE CLEARLY STATES SAY THAT THEY WERE UNDER CONSTRUCTION IN THAT ITEMS WERE FUNDED.
SO AT THIS POINT, MY QUESTION BECOMES WELL, IF THE ROADS AREN'T THERE, THEN ONE WHAT WAS UNDER CONSTRUCTION OR TWO? WHERE DID THE MONEY GO? WHAT DID YOU DO WITH THE MONEY? I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND IT WOULD SOUND GREAT TO JUST KEEP ON PUSHING, BUT.
SIDEWALKS ARE NOT A THOUSAND DOLLARS, SO I THINK THERE IS A CASE IN POINT WHERE THE CONVERSATION HAS TO BE HAD TO SAY, DID THE PERSON JUST PUT IT BECAUSE IT LOOKED GOOD ON PAPER? I DON'T KNOW. BUT THIS I JUST DON'T THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU JUST WALK PAST AND SAY, OK, LET'S JUST START WHERE WE ARE NOW.
THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. WELL, I THINK IT'S JUST DISAPPOINTING THAT FOR THE LAST 11 YEARS BEEN OPERATING OFF OF THIS PLANE, AND I KNOW THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO DO IT.
YOU WEREN'T HERE THEN, BUT IT'S THIS IS VERY OUTDATED.
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I MEAN, AND WHERE WHERE DOES THIS FALL INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE, IF YOU'RE SAYING THIS IS PART OF THE COMP PLAN, BUT THE COMPOUND IS 21 YEARS OLD AND THIS IS AN EXISTING COMP PLAN? RIGHT. BUT ARE WE UNDERGOING A COMP PLAN B RIGHT NOW? REVIEW RIGHT NOW? SO SHOULDN'T WE HAVE AN UPDATED ADA OR SIDEWALK PLAN AS PART OF THE NEW PLAN? THE DIRECTION AT THE END WILL BE TO FIND OUT WHERE YOU WANT TO GO WITH THESE CHANGES IN THE PLAN. YES.RIGHT? FRANK, YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE US WITH WHERE WE ACTUALLY ARE AS FAR AS ABOUT THE 88 TRANSITION PLAN, I HAVE TO HAVE TO START WITH WITH A DATABASE. AND SO WHAT I HAVE TO DO IS SHOW YOU WHAT WE HAVE AS EXISTING AS OF WHENEVER I BRING IT BACK TO YOU. AND THEN FROM THEN MOVE FORWARD WHERE WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THESE DEFICIENCIES AND THESE GAPS AND AREAS THAT WE NEED TO ADD MORE SIDEWALKS.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR QUESTIONS ARE REGARDING THE PAST.
I CAN'T ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS, AND I'M NOT HERE TO SAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO FIND THOSE ANSWERS BECAUSE THAT'S NOT BEING DIRECTIVE.
THE DIRECTIVE GIVEN TO ME WAS TO DO AN 88 TRANSITION PLAN.
LESLIE, I UNDERSTAND, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT FROM A PUBLIC STANDPOINT.
AFTER PAYING YOUR TAXES, IT IS NOT IT'S UNCOMFORTABLE TO HAVE SOMEBODY TELL YOU, WELL, LET'S JUST MOVE ON.
I THINK IT'S HARD BECAUSE AND I'VE SEEN THE ARGUMENT, EVEN AT COUNCIL MEETINGS, WE'VE HAD SOME. INTERESTING LEADERSHIP IN THE PAST, AND IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE IMPOSSIBLE TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT. WHO DID WHAT AND AND WHY AND WHERE? SO I'M TRULY INTERESTED TO SEE LIKE WHERE WE ARE CURRENTLY, LIKE, WHERE DO WE STAND? AND THAT'S WHAT I LIKE. HOW DO WE BUILD LIKE ON A PLAN? BECAUSE IT FEELS LIKE AT LEAST RIGHT NOW, THERE WILL BE MORE ACCOUNTABILITY.
THE ONE THING THAT THE ONE POSITIVE SIDE OF WHENEVER SOMETHING GOES REALLY, REALLY WRONG, EVERYBODY'S WATCHING. SO IT'S KIND OF HARD TO DO IT REALLY WRONG AGAIN.
SO I WILL SAY THAT WE'RE BETTER WHEN I DON'T WEAR MY PROSTHETIC.
I HAVE AN ELECTRIC WHEELCHAIR I USE, AND I'VE TAKEN THAT OVER TO YBOR CITY.
IT'S ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE TO GET AROUND YBOR CITY ON AN ELECTRIC WHEELCHAIR.
I CAN GET AROUND IN PALM BAY WHEN I NEED TO.
WE ARE BETTER OFF THAN A LOT OF PLACES.
I HAVE TO GO. MR BARTON, YOU HAVE SOME.
GO IN 586 OCEAN SPRINGS THREE SOUTHWEST, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE ARE FORGETTING IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS JUST A PLAN.
THAT'S IT IS NOT A GUIDELINE THAT SAYS YOU MUST BECAUSE IT'S IN YOUR PLAN.
IT'S ONLY A GUIDELINE, SAYS, BECAUSE THERE'S VARIATIONS THAT LET YOU CHANGE IT ON A DAILY BASIS. IF YOU DEEM NEST, IF YOU DEEM NECESSARY IN THE COUNCIL DEEMS NECESSARY.
THE COMP SAYS ONE THING, AND THEY'LL DO SOMETHING ELSE.
IT'S NOT ENOUGH IF IT'S NOT AN ACTUAL GUIDELINE THAT SAYS YOU MUST DO IT THIS WAY.
I REMEMBER IN 2010 I'LL REWIND SOME OF MY TAPES OR GO BACK ON MY DVR FOR SOME OF THE YOUNGER FOLKS AND REMEMBERING WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN 2010, WE HAD CERTAIN THINGS GOING ON, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WE DIDN'T HAVE THINGS GOING ON IN 2000.
REMEMBER, IT WAS TWO THOUSAND AND NOT 2000.
EIGHTY SEVEN WAS WHEN EIGHTY EIGHTY SEVEN WAS WHEN THE FIRST PLAN WAS WRITTEN, AND THEN IT WAS REWRITTEN IN 2010, SO THERE WAS A LOT OF MODIFICATIONS THAT WAS GOING ON THERE.
SO THAT WAS A GREAT UPDATE FROM WHAT THEY HAD BEFORE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T EVEN HAVE A CHAIR INTO IN THE EIGHTY SEVEN PLAN.
SO REMEMBER, IT'S JUST A PROCESS TO GET YOU AND SAY, WELL, YOUR COMP PLAN SAID THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO.
COMP PLAN WAS NO MORE THAN A PLAN OF ACTION.
IT WAS NOT A GUIDELINE THAT HAD TO BE FOLLOWED.
CORRECT. BUT SPEAKING TO THAT, I MEAN, YOUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ELEMENT IS PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND IT'S UPDATED EVERY YEAR.
SO TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S 11 YEARS OLD THAT SAYS WE APPLIED FOR GRANT FUNDING OR WE HAD SOMETHING UNDER CONSTRUCTION OR WAS FUNDED TO BE CONSTRUCTED TO HER POINT.
THERE'S NO REASON WHY THIS CAN'T BE UPDATED ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
IT SHOULDN'T TAKE 11 YEARS TO DO IT.
I AGREE, BUT PLANS AREN'T UPDATED ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, THEY'RE SAYING RECOMMENDED FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS ON UPDATES OF YOUR COMPANY.
EITHER WAY, WHEN IT SAYS SOMETHING WAS APPLIED FOR DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN WE GOT IT.
AND I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT. SO I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE UNDER-CONSTRUCTION OR FUNDED TO BE CONSTRUCTED.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE THOSE PLANS.
EXACTLY. AND EVEN WITH UPDATED WILL THERE, WILL THIS BE OVERLAID INTO GIS? NEW MAP WILL BE A JASMINE.
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EVEN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE COMP PLAN JUST BEING A FORM OF A PLAN, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE SOMETIMES WATCH CERTAIN PEOPLE OR INDIVIDUALS USE THAT AS THEIR AS THEIR STANDING POINT, IT BECOMES WHAT I SAID EARLIER CONCERNING WHEN THE FIRST RESIDENT SPOKE IS THAT WE CAN'T PICK AND CHOOSE WHEN ONE THING IS GOING TO BE WHAT WE HOLD THE STANDARD.AND THE OTHER THING IS NOT SO IF IT'S GOING TO BE A PLAN, LET'S BE IT A PLAN OR IF WE'RE IT'S GOING TO BE WHAT WE HOLD AS AS OUR SCIENCE, THEN THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HOLD.
SO YEAH, I AGREE. BUT I THINK THIS SENDS A LITTLE BIT OF A FALSE MESSAGE OF.
OH, WHERE WE WERE AT THAT TIME OR WHERE WE'RE GOING.
NOW I'M LOOKING AT THIS MAP AND WHERE IT SAYS UNDER CONSTRUCTION, AS I DROVE THOSE THINGS WITH MY GOLF CARTS, THERE IS SIDEWALKS THERE.
YEAH, I THINK THERE ARE SOME LIKE IN FRONT OF FRED LEE, THERE'S A THERE'S A SIDEWALK.
SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF THIS NEEDED TO BE UPDATED AND ADOPTED, WHICH IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S THE DIRECTION YOU'RE GOING.
YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT. BUT I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE DONE MORE THAN EVERYTHING I KNOW.
THE ORANGE LINK AROUND KRASSNER WAS NEVER DONE.
HEY, NOW ANOTHER UPDATE ON STORMWATER PIPES AND ROAD PAVING.
YES, THANK YOU AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU GUYS A BRIEF UPDATE.
IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION ON THE PIPES AND PAVING.
SO I JUST WANT TO AGAIN HIGHLIGHT WHERE WE SIT NEXT SLIDE.
UM, JUST JUST JUST BEFORE WE GET INTO THE ACTUAL PAVING PORTION OF IT, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE A MAINTENANCE COMPONENT THAT CITY COUNCIL APPROVED AND FOR THIS YEAR, FISCAL ACTUALLY THIS YEAR, FISCAL YEAR, TWENTY TWENTY ONE, WHICH WE'RE LEAVING RIGHT NOW.
WE DID FUND A WHAT WE CALL A ROAD MAINTENANCE.
A ROAD MAINTENANCE BASICALLY IS A REJUVENATION.
REJUVENATION IS AS AN EMULSION BASE LIKE A MULTI, OR IT COULD BE A VEGETABLE BASE THAT WE PLAY PLACE ON TOP OF THE ASPHALT AND GIVES US ANOTHER THREE TO FIVE YEARS PENDING ON THE VENDORS. AND THEN WE TYPICALLY WE COULD DO IT LIKE TWO TO THREE TIMES THAT WOULD WE EXTEND THE LIFE OF THAT ASPHALT? SO A TYPICAL ROADWAY? SO LET'S HAVE A 20 YEAR LIFE.
IF YOU REJUVENATE IT, SAY TWICE, MAYBE YOU GET YOURSELF ANOTHER SIX MORE YEARS.
WHAT I'M SAYING? SO YOU HAD A SIX MORE YEARS TO YOUR 20 YEARS AND OVER TWENTY SIX, RIGHT? SO YOU JUST PUSHING OUT THAT FUTURE LIFE OF THAT ASPHALT, WHICH MAKES IT BETTER THAT WAY BECAUSE YOU'RE TRYING TO EXTEND THE LIFE OF THAT ASPHALT BECAUSE WE'RE DOING ALL THIS ROAD BOND PAVING, WE NEED TO START MAINTAINING SOME OF OUR ROADWAYS.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.
ALL THE YEAR, ONE THAT WE GOT COMPLETED IN YEAR ONE, WE JUST SHOWED UP THERE, WHICH IS A UNITS THIRTY ONE POINT THIRTY TWO.
IT SHOULD BE 41, MY MISTAKE SHOULD BE 41, 42, AN ELDER ON ALREADY REJUVENATED PORTION ONE AND KRASSNER PORTIONS OF 40 WHEN NOT ALL OF THEM.
SO WE NEED ALL THE REMAINING ONES THAT WE DIDN'T DO THEN 40 TO WHICH IS VERY LARGE AND AN ELDER ON. AND THAT ADDS UP TO ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS.
AND THE BID THAT CAME IN FROM THE CONTRACTOR WAS JUST SLIGHTLY UNDER A MILLION DOLLARS.
SO THAT TOOK THE NUT OF THE THAT MR. BAD AND KEEPS SAYING TO NINE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, WHICH WAS FOR REJUVENATING YEAR ONE AS APPROVED BY COUNCIL TO START DOING OUR ROAD MAINTENANCE BECAUSE WE HAVE A ROAD PAVING. BUT WE NEED TO FOLLOW IT UP WITH OUR ROAD MAINTENANCE, AND THAT'S WHY I'M SHOWING YOU RIGHT HERE THAT WE'RE STARTING IT.
AND THE NOVEMBER 1ST, WE'VE ALREADY HAD A KICK OFF ME.
HE SHOULD BE STARTING IN NOVEMBER ONE.
HE'LL START IN NOVEMBER FOR ABOUT A MONTH AND HE'S GOING TO, OF COURSE, BECAUSE OF THE HOLIDAY HE'S GOING TO SHUT DOWN.
I DON'T WANT PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY CONSTRUCTION DURING THE HOLIDAY TIME.
SO WE TRY TO SLOW DOWN OUR CONSTRUCTION DURING THE HOLIDAY TIMES AND THEN RESTART IT BACK UP AGAIN. SO HE'LL HE'LL START IN NOVEMBER AS MUCH AS HE CAN.
I THINK HE'S GOING TO START IN THIRTY ONE AND THEN HE'LL COME BACK IN JANUARY AND FINISH THE REST. AND IT DOESN'T TAKE A LOT.
THE REJUVENATION IS ON A TANKER TRUCK.
IT SPRAYS, AS SHOWN IN THE PHOTOGRAPH HERE.
THE ROAD'S CLOSED FOR LESS THAN AN HOUR AND THEN IT'S REOPEN BACK UP.
SO IT'S A REAL QUICK, SIMPLE PROCESS, BUT JUST DID A BUNCH OF NINETY FIVE OUT.
SO I'M SAYING THAT'S THAT'S OUR PROGRAM AS A COMPANY, THAT'S JUST FOR MY KNOWLEDGE, SO THE ROAD MAINTENANCE PROGRAM, WHICH STARTED THIS THIRD YEAR, CORRECT? THIS IS OUR SECOND YEAR ON YOU.
OH, SOON AFTER YOU BUILT A RULE, THOSE DOES WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE TO THREE YEARS IS TYPICALLY WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO REJUVENATE AFTER YOU PAVE THE ROAD.
YOU WANT TO DO IT IN BETWEEN ONE TO THREE YEARS WHEN WHEN THE ASPHALT STILL HAS ACTIVITY WHERE YOU COULD PUT THE EMULSION BACK IN AND REACTIVATE IT.
THAT'S WHY THEY SAY THEY AFTER LIKE YOU DO IT THREE, WAIT, THREE MORE YEARS, I COME BACK AGAIN AND REJUVENATE AGAIN AND THEN MAYBE THEY SAY YOU COULD DO IT THREE TIMES, BUT THERE'S A POINT WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO KEEP REJUVENATING IT, WHERE YOU EVENTUALLY HAVE TO HAVE NEW ASPHALT PUT BACK.
OR SOMETHING SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
SO WITH THAT, I WANT TO TURN TO THE ACTUAL ROAD PAVING, BUT I WANT TO EDUCATE YOU WHERE WE SIT WITH THE ROAD PAVING THAT TOOLBOX, WE HAD KIND OF EXPANDED AND A LOT OF THIS HAS BEEN DIRECTED THROUGH COUNCIL.
A LOT OF IT'S BEEN DIRECTED BY OURSELVES AND WE'RE GOING TO EDUCATE COUNSEL WHEN WE GO TO THE YEAR FOR PRESENTATION.
SO VINCENT, CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE? BASICALLY, I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE TOOLS AND OUR TOOLBOX ORIGINAL.
WHAT WE HAD WAS WE HAD, YOU KNOW, THE RECONSTRUCTION.
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WE HAD THE FULL RECLAMATION IN THE MILL AND PAVED AND THIN LEFT.SINCE THAT TIME, WE THEN ENDORSED THE APPROVAL OF MICRO SURFACING, AND THERE'S SOME ISSUES WITH MICRO SURFACING.
THEN ON TOP OF THAT, BECAUSE OF THE ISSUES REGARDING IS FULL DEPTH.
THE ONLY WAY OF DOING THINGS IS WHAT THEY CALL A DEEP LEFT AC, AND I THOUGHT DEEP LEFT AC WOULD BE MORE EXPENSIVE AND WE'VE DONE A FEW LOCATIONS AND IT ACTUALLY WAS CHEAPER.
AND WHAT IT IS IS YOU JUST PUT A DEEPER LIFT OF ASPHALT.
PAVING AND ASPHALT HAS A LOT STRONGER STRUCTURAL COEFFICIENT AND A LOT STRONGER, SO IT LASTS A LOT LONGER, SO YOU COULD DO A LOT MORE AND NOT PAY AS MUCH.
AND SO WE DID A FEW STREETS UP IN IN THE NORTHEAST AREA.
SO NOW I'M LOOKING AT THAT AS AN OPPORTUNITY, AS YOU GO OUT TO BID TO SEE WHICH ONE COMES IN AT A BETTER PRICE, WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE A DEEP LIFT OR OR A FDR, TYPICALLY WHERE THE FDR IS HAS TO BE DONE IS WE WERE IN AREAS OF HIGH WATER TABLE AREAS OF SANDY MATERIAL. GOOD EXAMPLE, I WANT TO SAY GOOD EXAMPLE WAS GAINOR ROAD.
GAINOR ROAD WAS RECONSTRUCTED, BUT WHEN WE OPENED IT UP AND WE STARTED DIGGING IT OUT, IT WAS ALMOST PURE SAND.
ON TOP OF THAT, THE WATER TABLE WAS EXTREMELY HIGH, SO WE COULDN'T RECONSTRUCT THE ROADWAY. ALL WE COULD DO WAS TO WAS TO PUT BACK MILLIONS IN AND PUT A BUNCH OF CEMENT AND DID A MODIFIED FDR.
THAT'S HOW WE BUILT GAINOR ROAD WAS WAS MEANT TO BE A RECONSTRUCTION.
WE HAD TO CHANGE IT BECAUSE OF THE MATERIALS WE FOUND OUT.
ONCE WE WERE IN CONSTRUCTION AND THE ROAD IS FINE NOW, BUT AGAIN, THINGS LIKE THAT HAPPEN. YOU KNOW, WE DID OUR BEST TEST BOARDS, BUT WE OPENED IT UP.
IT WAS TOTALLY IT WAS TOTAL SAND THAT WE COULDN'T.
I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU THOSE ARE THE TOOLS IN OUR TOOLBOX.
NEXT SLIDE, VINCENT. THIS KIND OF SHOW YOU AGAIN, THE PICTURES OF THE FDR PROCESS.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S A RÉCLAMER, THERE'S A CEMENT UNIT IN FRONT OF THAT.
WE WE DO PUT EMOTION IN, WHICH IS THE ASPHALT, DEPENDING ON WHAT OUR LAB COMPANY GIVES US A DIRECTION AND THEN WE ROLL IT AND THEN WE PAVE IT.
THAT'S THE WHOLE PROCESS IS TYPICALLY DONE A SIMPLE TRAIN PROCESS.
SO THIS WAS THE ELDER ON OUR NEXT SLIDE.
MICRO SURFACING MICRO SURFACING IS ANOTHER TYPE OF EMULSION THAT PUTS IN ABOUT THREE A THICKNESS OF WHAT THEY CALL AN EMULSION LIKE A SLURRY.
SO IT COMES OFF OF A KIND OF LIKE A TANKER TRUCK, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY A MINI LIKE A MINI EMULSION PLAN. A LITTLE TRUCK RIGHT THERE DOES ALL THE MEASURING.
IT'S GOT A COMPUTER BACK THERE.
SO AND IT PROVIDES A SLURRY THAT'S SPREAD ACROSS A SPREAD OF BLOCKS IN THE BACK.
BUT WE'VE HAD PROBLEMS WHEN WE DID.
WHEN WE DID, COCAINE CAME OUT PERFECT.
THEN WE DID UNITS FORTY SIX AND 17.
WE STARTED GETTING THESE TIRE DIVOTS AND YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN THEM IF YOU'RE IN THOSE AREAS, THESE TERRORISTS EVERYWHERE ON THE DRIVEWAYS.
THE GOOD NEWS IS THE GOOD NEWS IS THE NEXT SLIDE, VINCENT.
THE GOOD NEWS IS IN THE LAST FIVE MONTHS, I'VE BEEN SAME PHOTOGRAPHS.
YOU CAN SEE THE TIRE DEVICE BEEN FADING OUT, FADING, FADING, FADING OUT.
SO IT HAS BEEN WHAT THEY SAID.
IT WILL ROLL OUT. IT'S BEEN ROLLING OUT.
THE PROBLEM WE HAD WAS, YOU KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THIS MICRO THING BECAUSE IT'S AN EMULSION PLACED ON TOP OF THE ROADWAY.
SO THE ROADWAY WAS GOOD, BUT WE WANTED TO KEEP IT IN BETTER SHAPE.
SO WE TYPICALLY WHAT YOU DO IS YOU PUT A MICRO SURFACE.
THE PROBLEM IS NOW ONCE YOU PUT THE MICRO SURFACING, IT IS JUST A VERY THIN THREE EIGHT SEVEN INCH. EMULSION, SO YOU REALLY CAN'T SCRAPE IT OFF, THE BEST YOU COULD DO IS YOU CAN MILL IT OFF, BUT IF YOU MILL IT OFF, THEN I'M PEELING OFF PART OF THE GOOD ASPHALT.
SO THE BEST WE FOUND OUT WAS JUST LET IT WORK ITS WAY THROUGH AND WE HAVE AND YOU CAN SEE IN THE PHOTOGRAPHS ON THE DATES IT'S THEY'RE FADING OUT.
SO THE END RESULT WILL BE NEXT MONTH WHEN WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BRING BACK THE CONTRACT AND SAY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE IS ROLLING OUT IT'S A SLURRY.
IT WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE A STRUCTURAL, THICK MATERIAL.
IT WAS MEANT TO BE A CAP TO PROTECT THE ASPHALT, WHICH IT HAS DONE.
NOBODY WANTED TO SEE THE DIVOTS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT UNSIGHTLY, BUT THEY'RE ROLLING OUT.
SO THE GOOD NEWS IS AND MANY PEOPLE HAVE GONE TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS, THEY'RE OK WITH IT BECAUSE YOU DON'T SEE IT ANYMORE.
YES, SIR. IT WAS WAS THE ISSUE THAT WE WERE HAVING IN YOUR CONTRACT, REMEMBER? SO THEY'RE FADING OUT AS THEY MENTIONED IT WOULD.
AND SO SOMETHING WE WANT TO THINK ABOUT WITH MICHAEL SURFACING.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT DURING THIS PROCESS, WE'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF WORK OUT THERE. AND SO FAR WE'RE KEEPING OUR FINGERS CROSSED IT'S WORKING OUT EXACTLY WHAT THE CONTRACTOR SAID IT WILL.
IT WILL FADE OUT WITH TIME, WITH THE TRAFFIC BEING ON IT, ROLLING IT FLAT AND TAKING CARE OF IT. IT'S THE NEXT LINE, THIS KIND OF SHOWS YOU JUST WHERE WE SIT IN TERMS OF THE OVERALL FIVE YEAR PLAN THAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY.
WE GOT YEAR ONE DONE WITHIN ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF.
YAY. AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE WE'RE UNDER BUDGET.
YEAR TWO WAS THE ONE AND YOU KIND OF LIKE A GOLD.
YOU'RE TWO IS CHALLENGING BECAUSE YOU'RE TWO WAS CLOSE TO TWO HUNDRED ST.
A LOT MORE THAN THAN YEAR ONE, WHICH ABOUT A HUNDRED AND FORTY THREE MILES YOU'RE TO IS ALMOST TWO HUNDRED MILES.
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AND THEN IN YEAR TWO, WE HAD PROBLEMS BECAUSE IN THE OLD NORTHEAST AREA WE STARTED HAVING THESE UTILITY PROBLEMS, CONFLICTS, LOTS OF UTILITY POINT WHERE WE WERE PAVING STREETS IN THE ROLLERS, SITTING ON THE SEAT WITH BUS TOURS BECAUSE THEY WERE SO SHALLOW.WE HAD A WE HAD A WHOA, WHOA. WE HAD A WAY TO SLOW DOWN THE ROAD, PAVING AND ADDRESS THESE CONFLICT ISSUES.
AND BECAUSE OF THAT, WE FELL BEHIND.
SO BECAUSE OF THAT, THE YEAR THREE IS SHOWN IN KIND OF LIKE THE GREEN.
WE HAVEN'T STARTED YET. WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THE GOAL.
I'M TRYING TO GET THE YUGO DONE BECAUSE THE UTILITY COMPLEX HAVE BEEN CLEARED.
SO WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO PUSH THESE PROJECTS OUT RIGHT NOW, GET THE REST OF THE YEAR TWO DONE AS WELL AS THE GREEN.
THE FIRST ONE THAT'S GOING TO GO OUT IN THE GREEN IS UNIT 30.
THAT'S READY TO GO. THIS IS THIS, YOU KNOW, ALL THE STREETS IN YEAR TWO HAVE BEEN DESIGNED AND SHALL WE? WE'RE IN THE RIGHT TIME NOW.
ALL THE GREEN HAS BEEN DESIGNED AS WELL.
SO LIKE SAYING, WE'VE BEEN DESIGNING THEM, WE JUST CAN'T CONSTRUCT THEM BECAUSE THESE UTILITY CONFLICTS, WHICH KIND OF PUSHED US BACK A LITTLE BIT.
AND SO JUST TO GIVE YOU THE FACTS, THAT'S FIVE YEAR PLAN, THE 30 YEAR PLAN, WHICH WAS JUST TWENTY ONE AND THEN COMING UP INTO THE NEXT SLIDE.
HERE'S A CATCH UP PLAN THAT I'M GOING TO TRY TO HELP YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE WE SIT SO YOU CAN SEE IN THE MIDDLE THERE THE UNITS, A YEAR'S YEAR TO SEE A LOT OF YEAR TWO STILL THERE, THEN YEAR THREE.
SO THAT'S MY CATCH UP PLAN TO TRY TO GET US BACK TO WHERE WE SHOULD BE.
AND SO YOU CAN SEE A FEW ON THE TOP HAS BEEN AWARDED.
WE'RE ADVERTISING, WE'RE GOING TO BUNDLE A COUPLE OF THESE AND TO SOME TENTATIVE DATES.
THESE ARE ALL JUST OUR BEST GUESS TO TRY TO GET THESE THINGS OUT, TO WORK WITH OUR PROCUREMENT OFFICES. AND YOU CAN SEE HOW WE'RE GOING TO EVENTUALLY END UP AT THE VERY END WITH UNIT 30, BUT THAT'S AT THE BEGINNING.
YOU SEE, THAT'S STILL LIKE IN JANUARY AS WE GO INTO FEBRUARY, MARCH AND TRY TO FINISH, FINISH UP THE REST OF YOUR THREE AND THEN MOVE INTO YEAR FOUR AND THEN VINCENT, THE NEXT SLIDE. LET'S GET A QUICK QUESTION.
YES, SIR. YOU JUST HAVE EMERSON FAIRHAVEN TO SEE ONE.
WHERE IS EMERSON FAIRHAVEN TO MALABAR? THAT IS, THE PORTION OF MALABAR IS GOING TO BE DONE WITH THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS.
IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S GOING TO BE THE NEXT.
YES. WITH THE INTERSECTION, I'M GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THAT.
WE JUST FINISHED THE MALABAR DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS AND THAT CAME OUT TO BE VERY SUCCESSFUL. I'M STILL WAITING TO SEE THE FINAL FINAL RESULTS.
THAT'S THE ONE. WILL WE PUT THE SPIN CASTING OF THE PIPE? WE DID A THOUSAND FEET OF IT.
IF I KNOW FOR SURE, THAT'S TRULY SO FAR, EVERYTHING LOOKS LIKE IT MET THE GOALS THAT WE WANT TO DO. WE WANT TO DO THE REMAINING TWO THIRDS OF IT.
WE DID ONE THIRD OF IT. WE WANT TO DO THE REST OF TWO THIRDS OF THE PIPE AND THEN WANT TO DO THE ENTIRE ROADWAY OF MALABAR.
THAT MEANS THE SIDE STREETS AS WELL.
THAT'LL BE THAT LITTLE PIECE MISSING.
SO WHAT IS GOING ON ON EMERSON RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE CLOSED AND THEN IT WASN'T? THE EMERSON PROBLEM RIGHT NOW IS THE REASON WHY EMERSON WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED TO DO THE ENTIRE RUN FROM MITTON ALL THE WAY DOWN TO FAIRHAVEN.
FIFTY ONE CANAL HAS A BOX CULVERT THAT'S THAT'S FAILED, AND IT HAD TO GET A PERMIT FROM THE TILLMANN, AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAD TO WAIT.
SO THEN I HAD TO BIFURCATE THE NORTH HALF AND HOLD ON THE SOUTHERN HALF UNTIL I GOT MY PERMIT, I GOT MY PERMIT.
SO NOW THAT'S BEEN IT'S OUT TO BID.
I MEAN, IT'S DOWN TO CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW.
WHAT HAPPENED WAS AS THEY STARTED, WE GO AGAIN WITH UTILITIES.
WE HAVE SOME UTILITY CONFLICTS, SO THEY HAD TO STOP.
AH, UTILITY PEOPLE HAVE TO ADJUST THE BOLTS TO FORCE MAIN AND THE GRAVITY SEWER.
AND SO THE CONTRACTOR PULLED OUT.
SO WHEN YOU PULL IT OUT ON FRIDAY, WE REOPEN THE ROAD NOT ONLY A ROAD CLOSE AND NO CONSTRUCTION AND THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE GETTING A CALL, SAYING WHAT IS GOING ON HERE? I'VE BEEN AVOIDING IT. AND THEN I WENT TO GO TO HAMMACK LANDING AND I WAS LIKE, WAIT, THE ROAD'S OPENING AND THE CHANGE ON THE WEBSITE THAT THE ROAD WAS CLOSED.
YEAH, AND THE CHANGE OF MISSION SITE, I THINK, DID CHANGE THE CITY'S, YOU KNOW, UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. OK.
SO WHEN ARE YOU EXPECTING TWO WEEKS? HE'S SUPPOSED TO BE BACK. OK? OK. BUT UNTIL THEN, WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THE ROAD OPEN.
YES, PLEASE DO. SORRY, I DIGRESS.
GUYS, GO AHEAD. SORRY. MM HMM.
SO SO THIS IS BASICALLY THE FINISH UP OF THE YEAR THREE.
SO IT KIND OF HIGHLIGHTS WILL WE SIT ON YEAR THREE? SO VINCENT, THE NEXT SLIDE IS, I THINK, WOULD BE THIS IS YOUR FOURTH.
SO THIS IS YOUR FOURTH IN BLUE OR IN GRAY, ACTUALLY.
SO YOU'RE FOUR IS ACTUALLY THE SMALLEST OF ALL THE UNITS OF THE PHASES OR THE YEARS.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE RIGHT THERE, THE TOTAL IS ONLY NINETY FOUR MILES.
SO THIS IS THE SMALLEST OF ALL THE ONES WE HAVE.
SO CATCH WISE, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO CATCH UP IN YEAR FOUR BECAUSE YOU'RE FIVE IS THE REST, WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH THE CENTER OF THE CITY.
SO THIS IS JUST TO GIVE YOU A HEADS UP WILL BE BRINGING THIS BACK THE YEAR BEFORE FOR AN ENDORSEMENT, PROBABLY AT THE NEXT OR THE FOLLOWING MEETING, BECAUSE TYPICALLY I BRING THIS BACK IN NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER TO GET YOUR ENDORSEMENT.
MAKE SURE YOU APPROVE OF IT AND THEN WE'LL TAKE THIS.
THE CITY COUNCIL AND CITY COUNCIL WILL THEN APPROVE IT AS THE YEAR FOR PAVING PROGRAM.
SO REMEMBER, WE HAVE A FIVE YEAR PROGRAM, EIGHT YEARS TO CONSTRUCT IT, PLENTY OF TIMES TO DO IT, AS WELL AS TO TAKE CARE OF THE MAINTENANCE OF THE ROAD AND SAY, IS THERE ANOTHER SLIDE? THAT'S IT. DO YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH FUNDING FOR YEAR FIVE? AGAIN, I DIDN'T CREATE THIS PLAN.
NO, I'M IN YEAR FIVE, SO I'M JUST WAITING TO SEE IF I ACTUALLY HONESTLY, IF THERE'S A LOT OF THE ROADS AS WE GET INTO YEAR FOUR AND FIVE ARE IN GOOD SHAPE.
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I NEED TO FIGURE OUT A BETTER WAY.THE MICROSERVICE THING, I'M NOT TOUCHING IT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE ISSUES WE'VE HAD.
I DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH ANOTHER, YOU KNOW WHAT I WENT THROUGH RIGHT NOW TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF THIS? I BELIEVE THE MICROSERVICE THING IS THAT THIS IS A GOOD TOOL SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER. WE'RE NOT GETTING A FAIR SHAKE OF IT, BUT I'VE TALKED TO A LOT OF AGENCIES.
I'VE VISITED A LOT OF CITIES AND COUNTIES WHO DO MICRO SERVICING.
IT'S A GREAT TOOL. IT'S A CHEAP TOOL, AND I THINK WE NEED TO STILL KEEP IT IN OUR TOOLBOX. RIGHT NOW, I THINK WE'RE KIND OF GUN SHY.
WHAT HAPPENED? SO WE'RE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT OPTIONS, WHETHER WE DO A THIN LIFT AND AFTER US COMING UP WITH EVEN A THINNER THAN LIFT OR DO I DO JUST LIKE WHAT THEY CALL A LIKE A FOG SEAL, WHICH IS JUST THE EMOTION MORE THAN REJUVENATION, IT DOES ADD A COATING TO IT OR I'VE DONE THINGS WHERE YOU COULD DO WHAT THEY CALL A SEAL.
I DON'T REALLY CARE FOR IT BECAUSE IT KEEPS SEAL PROVIDES AND YOU HAVE TO PUT SOME CHIPS IN IT. IT'S KIND OF LIKE A CHIP SEAL, BUT NOT A CHIP SEAL.
SO THOSE ARE DIFFERENT TOOLS THAT ARE IN THERE.
THEY'RE VERY LOW AND COST, AND THEY ADD LIFE TO THE ASPHALT WHERE YOU'RE ASPHALT ROADWAY CONDITION, THE PCI PAVING CONDITION INDEX.
IT'S STILL 80 AND ABOVE OR IN GOOD SHAPE.
BUT WE PROMISE EVERYBODY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE EVERY ROAD OR DO SOME TO ALL THE ROADWAYS.
SO WE'RE KEEPING TO THAT WORD.
SO WE'RE GOING TO BE MAKE SURE WE ADDRESS ALL THE ROADWAYS.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE AREAS THAT HAVE PICTURES OF 80 AND PLUS, DO I REALLY WANT TO MILL AND PAVE IT? NO, THAT'S WASTING TAXPAYERS MONEY.
SO WHAT'S THE OPTION? OUR OPTION WAS GOING TO BE MARKET SERVICING, BUT BECAUSE OF THE SITUATION WE HAD, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE OURSELVES A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO ASSESS IT.
BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IF WE HAD THESE OTHER TOOLS, YEAH, I THINK WE MAKE IT.
SYSTEM UPDATE WE HAD APPROVED EARLIER IN THE YEAR A REWARD. RUNS ACROSS.
BUT WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH IT'S ON THERE? WHAT'S HAPPENED WAS, YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL GAVE THE OK TO GO INTO YEAR THREE AND WITH YEAR THREE TO ACCELERATE UNIT 30 TO THE POINT WHERE IF WE CAN ACCELERATE IT IN ADVANCE OF SOME OF THE YEAR, TWO UNITS, THEY WERE OK WITH THAT.
AND WE HAVE UNIT 30 PIPES ABOUT READY TO BE ADVERTISED AND THEN UNIT 30 ROAD PAVING HAS BEEN SITTING THERE WAITING.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE COUNCIL MEETING COUNCIL ALSO SAID, OH, BY THE WAY, WE WANT TO ADD IN AND WE OUGHT TO ADD A LITTLE PORTION OF OSMOSIS.
WE'RE WORKING ON FINISHING UP THE PIPING ON THOSE.
AND SO THE OLD MAN HAD A LOT OF PIPES, A LOT OF PIPES.
AND SO IT'S GOING TO GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE TO MAKE SURE WE GET ALL THE PIPES DONE FIRST BEFORE WE DO MEN. BUT THIS ISN'T THE PLAN.
IT'S GOING TO BE IN YEAR THREE.
SO IT WAS GOING TO BE TIED TO UNIT 30 BY CATNAP BECAUSE UNIT THREE IS READY TO GO BECAUSE THEY'RE BEEN PUSHED AND HELD BECAUSE OF UTILITY CONFLICTS.
AS SOON AS I GET A UNIT OUT, I'M GETTING THEM OUT THERE AND HE'S BEEN SITTING THERE READY TO GO. LIKE, I JUST GOT TO BLOW THE DUST OFF IN THE PLAN'S PIPES AND ROADS ARE READY TO GO. SO FOR US TO THEN WAIT FOR THE MADDEN, I'M NOT WAITING FOR MADDEN RIGHT NOW.
IT'LL HAPPEN. WE'LL MAKE SURE ALL THESE STREETS WILL HAPPEN.
BUT I'VE GOT TO GET GOING ON THESE ON THESE STREETS BECAUSE UNIT 30, THE REASON WHY UNIT 30 NEEDS TO BE DONE REALLY SOON.
UNIT 30 HAS ASSETS OF DEGROOTE THAT WE NEVER TOUCHED.
IT GOES FROM SORRY, GOES FOR JUPITER ALL THE WAY DOWN TO TURNS INTO SANFILIPPO.
THAT RUN IS ALL IN PART, A UNIT THROW THAT ARTURA ROADWAY HAS TO BE DONE BECAUSE IF YOU GO BY THE HIGH SCHOOL, THERE'S A SECTION OF IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD ANYMORE.
NEXT QUESTION, LORI AND SARASOTA.
I HAVE COMPLETED MOST OF THE INTERNAL RULES.
WILL THOSE TWO RULES BE DONE ALSO? YES. THOSE ARE ROADS THAT WERE DONE WAY BEFORE IN THE PAST.
DOWN THERE, IT'S IN UNITS TWENTY FOUR AND TWENTY FIVE.
THERE ARE SEVERAL STREETS FERNWOOD, SARASOTA, LOWRY.
THERE ARE SOME STREETS THAT WE'VE ALREADY DID SOME YEARS LIKE CAN BEFORE I GOT HERE, LIKE IN TWENTY SEVENTEEN OR MAYBE TWENTY SIXTEEN.
YEAH. SO SO THOSE, WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GOING TO, YOU KNOW, I NEED AGAIN, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE VERY GOOD PAVEMENT CONDITIONS NEXT.
YOU LOOK OUT THERE, THEY LOOK GOOD.
BUT WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING TO GO, SIR.
THEY'RE ON THE LIST. THEY WERE PULLED OUT OF UNITS AT TWENTY FOUR AND TWENTY FIVE BECAUSE OF THE MICRO SURFACING ISSUES WE'RE HAVING.
WE WON'T FORGET THOSE STREETS.
BUT BUT AGAIN, IT'S SARASOTA, FERNWOOD LOWRY.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF STREETS THAT WE PULL OFF BECAUSE THEY'RE THEY'RE IN GOOD SHAPE.
THE STREETS AGAIN, TALK TO OTHER CITIES AND COUNTIES THAT HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT.
UH, BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, BEFORE YOU OVERLAY OR OR YOU COULD DO ANYTHING NEXT TO IT, LIKE A MACRO SURFACE AND WHETHER THE TOOLS AND THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT THEY'VE BEEN PROVIDING ME DIFFERENT DIRECTION. AGAIN, THE ASPHALT COMPANY AND THE TYPES OF APPLICATIONS KEEP
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CHANGING DRAMATICALLY BECAUSE OF THE TECHNOLOGY.AND SO THERE'S NEW, NEW, NEW STYLE APPLICATIONS THAT YOU LOOK AT AND SAY, WOW, THAT'S A PAVED ROAD AND YOU FIND OUT, OH, THAT'S A CHIP SEAL.
LUCIE COUNTY, I WAS I WAS REALLY SHOCKED, I THOUGHT IT WAS ASPHALT.
HE SAID, NO, THAT'S THE SOUTH BEND CHIPLET CHIP SEAL.
I REALLY I WAS REALLY IMPRESSED.
HE DID IT THREE YEARS AGO, SO I WANT TO SEE A FEW MORE YEARS, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE KNOW SOMETHING CHALLENGING. HE THINKS.
BUT GO AHEAD. THERE'S A RULE THAT COLLAPSED IN THE.
I DON'T KNOW, THEY CALL IT A UNIT, BUT THE LOWER SECTION THAT THE BOARD, THE SCHOOL BUS TO DRIVE UNDER WE WOULD COLLAPSE AND IS NOT NO.
RECOVERS, PROBABLY THAT, YES, SO WE'RE I'M NOT GOING TO BE REPAIRED THE CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW WE HAVE WE'RE WORKING ON THE SEA FIFTY ONE AND EVERYTHING AT THE SAME TIME, SAME CONTRACTOR WON THE AWARD FOR TRANTER, WHICH IS DOWN THERE IN UNIT TWENTY FOUR AND TWENTY FIVE. AND THEN THE LAST ONE WE'LL BE WORKING ON IS FERGUSON, WHICH IS THE CONNECTION BETWEEN TWENTY FIVE AND 30.
AND THAT ONE'S GOING TO BE AT ONE TIME.
WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH THE BRIDGE, BUT THE HIGH COST OF STEEL RIGHT NOW.
NO WAY WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH THE BOX.
WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH IT. THEY CALL IT IT'S CALLED A CON SPAN, WHICH IS KIND OF LIKE A BOX CULVERT. BUT YOU COULD DO LARGER SPANS WITH IT BECAUSE IF YOU KNOW, FERGUSON IS A VERY LARGE, IT'S A WIDE CANAL.
SO WE'RE GOING TO DO. IT'S A LARGE ARCH SO THAT THE COLUMN SPANS.
SO IT SOUNDS THAT'S ON THE DESIGN, TOO.
BUT BUT THE JUST, YOU KNOW, TRACTOR HAS BEEN BEEN AWARDED, SO WE'RE WAITING WHEN THE CONTRACTOR GETS DONE HERE.
FIFTY ONE, HE'S GOING DOWN THERE AND DOING A TRACTOR.
SO OF THE FOUR STREETS THEY WERE CLOSED WILL HAVE THREE OF THEM OPEN.
JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THIS PHOTOGRAPH IS PHOTOGRAPH OF BABCOCK.
THE REASON WHY BACKUP HAS NOT BEEN CLOSED AND PUNCHED OUT IS BECAUSE THEY'RE WAITING FOR THE THERMO. JUST LIKE THIS PHOTOGRAPH HERE? ROSEN LOOKS GREAT. I MEAN, IT'S GREAT.
THEY'RE HAVING A PROBLEM WITH THERMAL COMPANY, WHICH IS THE THERMOPLASTIC STRIPING.
SO THAT'S WHERE THIS PROJECT HAS NOT BEEN CLOSED OUT YET.
BUT EVERYTHING ELSE HAS BEEN DONE, PUNCHED OUT, AND IT'S A GREAT LOOKING ROAD.
MR WATANABE, HAVE YOU SET YOUR EYES ON SANFILIPPO AND MALABAR RIGHT THERE NEXT, CLOSE HOW THOSE ROADS DIP.
WE HAVE A FEELING PIPE OF FEAR.
SOMETHING'S GOING ON THERE. YEAH, BUT THIS FAILED.
IT WAS A CONNECTION PIPE THAT CAME FROM.
IT WAS PART OF THE LOHSE DEVELOPMENT.
THERE IS A THIRTY SIXTH CENTURY REINFORCED CONCRETE PIPE THAT GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN.
SANFILIPPO THEN TURNS RIGHT THERE, JUST PASS THE THE ENTRANCE BY JUPITER.
THERE'S A SEGMENT THERE THAT WE BELIEVE THE JOINTS HAVE SEPARATED.
AND SO BECAUSE OF THAT, THAT'S HOW YOU SEE THE UNDULATIONS.
AND SO WE HAVE A CONTRACTOR NOW CLEANING IT, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO.
MORE LIKELY, IF THE PIPES HAVE SEPARATED, EITHER YOU SLIP LINE IT OR YOU REPLACE IT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T RESEAL THE GROUT WHEN THE PIPES HAVE OPENED UP SEPARATED.
WHAT'S HAPPENED NOW IS ALL THE MATERIAL IS COMING INTO IT.
SO NOW, IN ADDITION TO THE PIPE AND SLIP LINING, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TO INJECT THE AREA BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT VOIDS THERE NOW, JUST LIKE WE DID.
STILL WITH MALABAR, YOU'RE GOING TO BOYS.
WE DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS UNTIL WE DO THE GROUND PENETRATING RADAR TO FIND OUT WHERE ALL THOSE HOLES ARE. WE'RE WORKING ON THAT, SIR.
ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE BOARD? A FINAL QUESTION, BUT IT'S NOT HAS TO DO WITH THIS JUST FOR FUN KNOWLEDGE.
WHAT ARE THEY BUILDING BESIDE WALMART? THAT'S A CROWN SQUARE.
THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT'S HAPPENED RIGHT NOW WHAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT THERE IS CALLED CROWN SQUARES, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE IN THE APARTMENTS, IN THE BACK AND FOR COMMERCIAL UNITS UP FRONT.
SO THAT'S TO PUT A BRAND NEW SIGNAL THERE, TOO AT THE ENTRANCE THERE.
SO THAT'S THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT THERE TO THE WEST OF WAL-MART.
BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU A SIDE NOTE, WAL-MART HAS A BIG CONSTRUCTION.
GOING ON TO WAL-MART IS GOING TO PROCESS.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING IN A WHOLE NEW BUILDING IN THE BACK.
THEY'RE BUILDING A AUTOMATED WAL-MART, GOT A NOTICE IN THE MAIL THAT, YEAH, WAL-MART IS GOING HIGH TECH. THEY'RE GOING TO.
THIS WILL BE ONE OF THE FIRST LOCATIONS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT.
IT'S GOING TO BE A FULLY AUTOMATED WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE CALLING IN FOR BECAUSE EVERYBODY WANTS TO ORDER AND PICK UP ON THEIR OWN NOW.
SO THE WHOLE BUILDING IS GOING TO HAVE EVERYTHING JUST LIKE A REGULAR STORE.
IT'S GOING TO HAVE ROBOTICS IN IT.
AND SO AS YOU ORDER THINGS AND YOU ADD THINGS, THE ROBOT WILL PULL OFF A SHELVES, PUT IN THE CONVEYOR BELTS AND YOU PULL UP IN YOUR CAR.
THERE IT IS. SO IT'S AN AUTOMATED WAL-MART.
AGAIN, THIS IS WAL-MART, SO THEY PROBABLY HAD MANY WAYS, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT THEY MAKE SURE THAT THE CLIENTELE, THEY DON'T LOSE THEIR CLIENTELE WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD DIAL IT IN, YOU KNOW, YOU PUT UP, YOU KNOW, PAPER AIRPLANE AT THEM, THERE'S GOING TO BE THIS IS WAL-MART. THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THERE IN THE.
EXACTLY. THEY WOULDN'T BE BUILDING THIS LARGE OF AN AUTOMATED SYSTEM.
TWENTY FIVE THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.
IT'S HUGE. SO I MEAN, AND THIS THEY'VE DONE, THERE'S SEVERAL OTHER LOCATIONS.
THEY'RE DOING IT. WE'RE ONE OF THEM.
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BUT I'M VERY I WAS VERY SHOCKED THAT THE THEY'RE GOING TO AUTOMATION, BUT THEY SAID THAT'S WHERE THIS HEADED IS.YOU SEE ALL THE KROGER TRUCKS DRIVING AROUND TOWN HERE.
THEY'RE COMING OUT OF, THEY'RE COMING OUT OF GROVELAND.
IT TAKES THEM TWO HOURS TO GET HERE FOR THEIR FIRST DELIVERY.
THEY SAY THE STORE IS ONE OF THEIR HIGH USE STORES, SO THEY'RE BUILDING A WHOLE NEW AUTOMATED, WHOLE NEW AUTOMATED STORE.
YEP. I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION ON OUR LAST AGENDA.
WE HAD AN INTRODUCTION FROM THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR THAT GOT TABLED, WHERE WHERE DID THAT GO IN THE FUTURE? WE'LL HAVE THEM ATTEND THE MEETING AND GIVE AN INTRODUCTION.
YEAH, WE HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN VINCENT, BUT I DIDN'T GIVE ANYTHING BACK.
BUT HE'LL BE ON THE LIST IN THE NEAR FUTURE, OK? IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, I MEAN.
MEETING ADJOURNED AT 8:15 P.M..
IT WASN'T A QUESTION FROM ONE OF THE COUNCIL, I'M SORRY THE COMMISSIONERS REGARDING SKIPPING THE MEETING.
OH YEAH, THAT WAS ME, BUT NEVER MIND IF WE WERE GOING TO BRING BACK ROAD PROBLEM.
WE OK, I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU COVER EVERYBODY'S BASES.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.