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HE CALLED THE MEETING TO ORDER.
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I HAVE THE. I'M.WHAT IS ABSENT? FRAZIER, YOU'RE PRESENT.
JONES, PRESIDENT TERRY MUELLER, THANK YOU, EVERYBODY WAS EMAILED TO
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ME. MINUTES FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING.ANY CORRECTIONS OR CHANGES TO THE MINUTES? IF NOT, I'LL TAKE A MOTION.
YOU HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE MEETING ON OCTOBER TWENTY FIFTH TWENTY TWENTY ONE. I CAN.
A PUBLIC COMMENT. BUT COMMENTS TONIGHT.
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BUSINESS FOR TONIGHT, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR.PATIENT FOR US. GOOD EVENING, SIR.
BRING UP THIS IS I'M EHUD BARAK, I'M A PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR.
I STARTED WITH THE CITY ON JULY 27 THIS YEAR.
SO THIS WEEK WILL BE THE FOURTH MONTH HERE AND I COME FROM ORANGE COUNTY.
I'M ORIGINALLY FROM INDIA AND I GRADUATED FROM UCF WITH A BACHELOR'S DEGREE IN CIVIL ENGINEERING AND I CERTIFIED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
I JUST I HAVE FAMILY IN ORLANDO RIGHT NOW COMMUTING BECAUSE MY KIDS ARE STILL IN HIGH SCHOOL. ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME OR.
WELCOME TO OUR COMMUNITY, COME TO OUR CITY.
SO JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND, I'LL IN DECEMBER SECOND, I HAVE A PRESENTATION TO THE COUNCIL THAT I WILL BE GIVING AN ASSESSMENT OF THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.
SO IF YOU WANT TO PAY ATTENTION TO THAT, AFTER THAT, I'LL BE BRINGING INDIVIDUAL ITEMS TO THIS ADVISORY BOARD FOR ADVISEMENT AND ENDORSEMENT.
THANK YOU. THIS IS ITEM NUMBER TWO, MR. GINZLER HAS A PRESENTATION ON YOUR FIELD.
YEAH, I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE REALLY MUCH OF A DIFFERENT PRESENTATION BEFORE.
I JUST REALLY WANTED TO HAVE SOME PICTURES AND THINGS HERE AVAILABLE FOR THE DISCUSSION.
AND I THINK WE'VE GOT SOME PROBABLY COMMENTS FROM.
BOTH THE DIRECTORS AND THE ENGINEER.
SO BASICALLY JUST TO RECAP FROM LAST TIME I HAD.
SO LET'S I KNOW WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY HAVE THIS ON THE LAST ONE, SO THIS IS WHAT THE MELBOURNE PINES.
PLATT ORIGINALLY WAS BACK IN NINETEEN TWENTY FIVE, AND NOT MUCH OF IT WAS BUILT, AS FRANK IS SO ELOQUENTLY SAID, IT'S A GHOST SUBDIVISION, RIGHT? AT SOME POINT IT WAS ZONED AS RURAL RESIDENTIAL.
AND WHEN THEY DID THAT, THEY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THE PLOTS OR THE STREETS, OR I MEAN, THERE'S ACTUALLY PIECES OF PROPERTY THAT ARE RESIDENTIAL THAT CAN NEVER BE BUILT ON BECAUSE THEY'RE TOO SMALL. SO NOBODY EVER, YOU KNOW, WHEN THAT HAPPENED, THEN NOBODY WENT BACK AND SAID, OK, WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO TO MAKE THIS FIT AS A HORROR RESIDENTIAL AREA? THEY JUST LEFT THE PLOT, AND NOW WE'RE KIND OF.
I IS THE PROPERTY OWNER IN THE CITY.
WE'RE KIND OF NOW HAVING TO PAY FOR THE MISTAKES OF PEOPLE IN THE PAST.
AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT RIGHT FOR EVERYBODY. AND, YOU KNOW, DO WHAT WE CAN.
BASICALLY, OUR CONCERN IS THAT WE CAN BUILD OUR HOUSE.
AND I THINK WE'VE COME TO AT LEAST SOMEWHAT OF AGREEMENT OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
AND SO WE CAN HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT, BUT ULTIMATELY WE WOULDN'T NEED TO.
WHATEVER WE COME UP WITH THAT EVERYBODY AGREES TO.
WE WANT TO TAKE THAT TO THE COUNCIL ON THE 16TH.
I THINK IT IS, YEAH, DECEMBER 16TH, SO WE CAN GET THEM TO ACTUALLY RULE ON IT SO THAT WE CAN PROCEED.
THE NEXT ONE. YOU KNOW, JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND, SO THIS IS THIS IS THE MORE RECENT SATELLITE PHOTO, AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE CUL DE SAC IS AT THE END.
SO EVERYTHING PAST THE LAST DRIVEWAY ON THAT HOUSE ON THE RIGHT IS DIRT ROAD.
THAT SECTION IS THE SECTION THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ASKED TO HAVE PUT IN, SO THEY WOULD HAVE A TURNAROUND. SO THEY THEY DESIGNED IT.
THE CITY PUT IT IN BACK IN THE 90S.
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I'LL SHOW YOU A PICTURE IN A MINUTE.SO IT WAS DESIGNED BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND PUT IN AND IS CURRENTLY MAINTAINED BY THE CITY. THE.
IT IS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE FIRE MARSHAL SAYS THAT IT IS AN ALL WEATHER SURFACE, SO IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS.
OBVIOUSLY, THE FIRE MARSHAL IS ACTUALLY THE ONE WHO DESIGNED IT BACK AND BACK THEN.
HE'S STILL HERE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT.
HE SAID, YEAH, I REMEMBER DESIGNING THAT ROAD.
SO THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT ONE.
SO THIS IS FROM NINETEEN NINETY NINE.
THIS IS FAR BACK AS GOOGLE EARTH ALLOWS YOU TO GO.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS HAS BEEN THIS WAY FOR A VERY, VERY LONG TIME.
THIS IS NOT NEW, AND THIS HERE IS THE END OF SO AGNES IS THE STREET THAT THAT RUNS.
THIS WAY, AND THEN YOU HAVE DEERFIELD COMING OFF OF THAT.
AND ROSA, COMING OFF OF THAT AND.
YOU CAN SEE WHERE AGNES'S PROPERLY PAVED AND THEN YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE ACCEPTED CITY OWNED ROAD, THE PART THAT THEY AGREE THAT THEY OWN, HOW IT LOOKS IN THE PICTURE.
THAT'S YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN THE PAVEMENT, RIGHT? IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THE NEXT ONE.
SO THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE LOOKING DOWN AT.
SO LOOKING BACK AT THE END OF THE ACCEPTED PART TOWARDS AGNES, NOW THAT'S THE CONDITION OF THE ROAD CURRENTLY.
THE END OF DEERFIELD LOOKS LIKE WHERE THE DIRT ROAD IS, WHICH IS ACTUALLY IN BETTER SHAPE THAN THE ACCEPTED IMPROVED, SUPPOSEDLY IMPROVED ROAD.
OH PLEASE. UM, AND THEN HERE IS LOOKING FROM WHERE THE END OF THE ACCEPTED IS DOWN THE AIRFIELD IN MY PROPERTIES, AT THE FAR RIGHT WHERE THE TRUCK IS.
SO IT'S ACTUALLY NOT IN BAD SHAPE FOR A DIRT ROAD.
NEXT, PLEASE. AND THERE'S THE, YOU KNOW, SO YOU CAN SEE THE CUL DE SAC AND AGAIN, THE IS RIGHT TO THE RIGHT OF THE TRUCK.
SO, SO THAT'S JUST TO GIVE YOU GUYS SOME VISUAL OF WHAT THE CONDITION OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SO THAT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT SOME THINGS IN THE DISCUSSION LAST TIME.
I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU KIND OF AN OVERALL VISION OF WHAT IT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE NOW WE ARE PERFECTLY FINE WITH IT STAYING THE WAY IT IS.
MY ISSUE IS IF I'M GOING TO HAVE TO PAY TO HAVE THAT SECTION IMPROVED WHEN THE OTHER SECTION IS AS BAD AS IT IS AND WHEN THAT IS A.
CITY STREET AND HAS BEEN A CITY STREET SINCE NINETEEN TWENTY FIVE.
THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT, BUT I THINK THERE'S AT LEAST SOMEWHAT OF AN AGREEMENT THAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO GET APPROVAL JUST.
LET US, BILL, THE WAY IT IS, WHICH TECHNICALLY, ACCORDING TO THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO ANYWAY BECAUSE IT IS.
CITY ON STREET. A LAST PICTURE FROM YOUR PROPERTIES ON THE RIGHT LOOKS LIKE THE PROPERTY ON THE LEFT FOR SALE, RIGHT? CORRECT. THEY'RE GOING TO BE AFFECTED BY THE SAME SITUATION, ASSUMING THEY SELL IT AND THEY HAVE TO 1.4 ACRE LOTS THAT THEY ARE SELLING TOGETHER, THEY REFUSE TO SELL THEM SEPARATELY AND THEY WANT $440000 FOR BOTH OF THEM.
SO I IT'S I WILL BE SURPRISED IF SOMEBODY PAYS THAT MUCH FOR THAT PROPERTY, BUT A DOLLAR STORE? YEAH, THERE YOU GO.
SO THEY'RE ASKING YOU TO GIVE.
ALL THE WAY UP TO WHERE THE ROAD IS TAKEN OVER BY THE CITY, THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL ASK, YES, WAS, WELL, THE ORIGINAL ASK WHAT WE WERE ORIGINALLY TOLD WAS I HAD TO HIRE MY OWN ENGINEER. I HAD TO HIRE MY OWN PAVING COMPANY TO COME AND PAVE THAT SECTION AND THEN COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL TO GET THAT ACCEPTED.
WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE IT'S NOT A PRIVATE ROAD, I DON'T OWN THAT PROPERTY, SO I CAN'T DO THAT LEGALLY, I CAN'T DO THAT LEGALLY.
THE CITY CAN'T ALLOW ME TO DO THAT.
I MEAN, I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE THE THE CONTRACTS AND WAIVERS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE SIGNED TO MAKE SURE BOTH OF US WERE NOT IMPACTED BECAUSE PART OF THE PROBLEM IS THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN. I COULD GO DO ALL THAT WORK AND COME BACK FOR ACCEPTANCE AND THEY GO, YEAH, WELL, WE DON'T WANT TO ACCEPT IT.
AND IT COULD BE NOT EVEN FOR ANYTHING TECHNICAL REASONS.
IT'S JUST THEY CAN SAY WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS TO MAINTAIN IT, SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO
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ACCEPT IT. AND THEN I'M BACK TO THE SAME PLACE I WAS.WHEN THEY ASKED ABOUT YOU PAVING THE STREETS, DID THEY MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT THE OTHER HOMEOWNERS OR ANY OF THE OTHER LANDOWNERS BEING ASSESSED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.
THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS IS THAT BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT'S PLOTTED RIGHT NOW, THEY'D HAVE TO GET 50 PERCENT OF EVERYBODY IN THE SUBDIVISION, NOT JUST PEOPLE THAT HAVE EXISTING HOUSES. THAT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.
GOOD LUCK EVEN FINDING EXACTLY PEOPLE.
I MEAN, HONESTLY, THERE'S LOTS THAT PEOPLE OWN THAT WERE BOUGHT, YOU KNOW, DECADES AGO, AND SOMEBODY JUST MAINTAINS, YOU KNOW, THE OWNERSHIP OF IT'S PROBABLY BEING PASSED DOWN AS PEOPLE DIED AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, GOOD LUCK WITH US EVEN CONTACTING MOST OF THESE PEOPLE.
YOU GAVE THE IMPRESSION THAT THERE ARE SOME DISCUSSIONS GOING ON IN TERMS OF ALLOWING YOU JUST TO BUILD AS IT IS.
YES. WITH THE CITY REPRESENTATIVES, YES, WITH WE HAD A MEETING.
AND HAD THE DISCUSSION, AND WE THINK AND I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THEM, BUT WE'LL LET THEM TALK COMPLETELY TO IT, BUT WE THINK THAT THAT MAY BE ACCEPTABLE AS AN OPTION TO BRING THE CITY COUNCIL.
BUT WE WOULD, IF THAT'S WHATEVER WE DECIDE, WE WOULD LIKE THE BOARD TO.
YOU KNOW, MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL.
GET US ON THE AGENDA SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL IN IN, YOU KNOW, IN CONCERT, YOU'RE RIGHT, ANDERSON. SO JUST A QUESTION AND I GUESS STAFF CAN ANSWER AS WELL.
THEN I GUESS WHAT? WHAT WERE THE NEGATIVE EFFECTS WHICH EVEN RESULTED IN THIS CONVERSATION EVEN COMING UP? LIKE WHAT? WAS THERE ANY NEGATIVE IMPACT OF THEM NOT PAVING THE ROAD? WHY THIS CONVERSATION EVEN WAS BROUGHT UP? I'M UP. WE'RE GOING TO GET THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR UP.
SO JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND IN THE HISTORY ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM THAT ACCORDING TO THE CITY ORDINANCE, WHICH ACTUALLY REFLECTS OUR REFERS THE PUBLIC WORKS MANUAL, IT STATES THE CITY STREET HAS TO BE ACCEPTED AND IMPROVED, IMPROVED AND ACCEPTED.
AND I WORK IN THE IN OUR MANUAL.
THE CROSS SECTION HAS BEEN GIVEN.
IT HAS TO BE SUB BASE AND A PAVEMENT ON TOP OF THE ROAD OR CITY STREET TO BE ACCEPTED AS A CITY STREET. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, FIRST TWO HUNDRED AND SEVENTY FIVE FEET OF THE STREET WAS ACCEPTED BY SOME PREVIOUS DIRECTOR, WHICH IS SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN.
HOWEVER, ALL THE HOUSES THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED, THEY HAVE AVOIDED THAT PARTICULAR REQUIREMENT IN THE PAST.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT THEY CALL IT THE OLD.
OH, THEY WERE, NO. SOME OF THEM, BUT OUTSIDE OF IT, SO IT'S JUST OVERSIGHT ON THE INSPECTION AND PROBABLY THE, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY WERE BUILDING, BUILDING INSPECTORS, PROVIDING THE INSPECTION MIGHT HAVE BEEN OR SITE ON THAT PART.
BUT WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO SAY HERE IS THIS IF WE ALLOW THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY OWNER TO DEVELOP ON ON A DIRT ROAD THAT IS NOT DEVELOPED, THERE IS NOT PAVED.
THERE ARE TWO ISSUES THAT WE STILL HAVE TO DISCUSS WITHIN THE CITY.
ONE OF THEM IS THAT THIS PARTICULAR STREET IS NOT IN OUR ROAD BOND PAINTING PROGRAM, SO IT WILL NEVER BE PAVED WITH THAT PROGRAM.
SO WE HAVE TO FIND A FUNDING SOURCE TO PAVE THIS ROAD EVENTUALLY IF YOU ARE ALLOWING HOUSES LIKE THAT. IN ADDITION, THERE IS 3.2 MILES OF DIRT ROAD THEIR CITY OWNS IN THE CITY OF BOMBAY THAT WILL BE IMPACTED BY THIS CHANGE.
SO WE HAVE TO GIVE COUNCIL AN OPEN, YOU KNOW, ISSUE THAT IS THIS IS NOT JUST ONE PARTICULAR PROPERTY OWNER WITH ONE UNIQUE SITUATION.
THERE ARE THREE POINT TWO MILES OF ROAD WITH HUNDREDS OF PARCELS ON THEM WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME AND DEVELOPED, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE PLANT.
IT'S A PLANTED SUBDIVISION, WHICH HAS RESTRICTIONS FOR IMPROVEMENT.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE CERTAIN KIND OF CRITERIA BUILD THE ROADS, BUILD THE STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE FOR IT TO BE FULLY DEVELOPED BECAUSE THE SUPPLY OF SUBDIVISION.
SO WE ARE TRYING TO WORK WITH THE RESIDENT.
HOWEVER, THE CITY HAS TO HAVE FULL UNDERSTANDING BEFORE WE CAN MAKE AN EXCEPTION, ANOTHER EXCEPTION TO THE EXCEPTIONS.
THEN WE ARE NOT OPENING ANOTHER KIND OF WARM FOR THREE POINT TWO MILES OF ROAD AND THEN WE'LL BE LIABLE TO PAY FOR THEM EVENTUALLY WITH CITY.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS BASICALLY YOU'RE A LITTLE NERVOUS THAT THE EXCEPTION CAN THEN BECOME THE RULE IF YOU SET PRECEDENTS HERE.
YES. AND YOU HAVE TO, BECAUSE WHAT WOULD BE THE DIFFERENCE? OK, BUT IT'S THAT ONE, BECAUSE IT SOUNDED LIKE BASED OFF BECAUSE I REMEMBER LAST TIME YOU WERE HERE AND WE WERE LIKE, THIS IS CRAZY, BUT YOU, YOU SOUND WAY MORE OPTIMISTIC THIS
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MEETING. SO IT SOUNDED LIKE THERE WAS AT LEAST GOOD CONVERSATION.OK, SO THERE MIGHT BE SOME WORK AROUNDS AS YOU'RE A MEETING WITH ME AND FRANK AND CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE WHERE WE DISCUSSED SOME OPTIONS.
HOWEVER, BEFORE WE MAKE ANOTHER EXCEPTIONS, WE HAVE THAT CALL HAS TO COME FROM COUNCIL.
WE ARE NOT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE NOT IN THE POSITION.
ONLY DO YOU NEED THIS EXCEPTION, YOU NEED TO GO BACK TO THE HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE ALREADY ON DEERFIELD.
MM HMM. AND GET THEM A VARIANCE OR WHATEVER THE REMEDY IS, IF THEY'RE ALREADY GRANDFATHERED IN IN THE EXCEPTION BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY LIVING THERE, IT'S NOT IMPACTED. THE ONLY THING IS THAT WE ARE FOLLOWING THE RULES, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE OWNERS OF NEW MANAGEMENT AND EVERYTHING AND I JUST WE AS A PUBLIC DIRECTOR, I CANNOT RECOMMEND SOMETHING SOME EXCEPTION THAT IS GOING TO HAVE A LARGER IMPACT TO THE CITY.
I'D ALSO LIKE THE BOARD TO KEEP IN MIND.
AND YOU ALSO THAT LOOKING AT THAT ROAD AND IF YOU LOOKED AT THE ROADS IN PALM BAY FIVE YEARS AGO. MM HMM.
I UNDERSTAND. THREE POINT TWO MILES OF ROAD THEY ARE LOCATED IN ONE ERA ARE DIFFERENT AREAS. THERE ARE DIFFERENT AREAS, DIFFERENT AREAS.
AND I THINK LET ME CORRECT ONE SITUATION.
THE ASSESSMENT THAT WE TALKED ABOUT CAN BE APPLIED TO JUST ONE STREET UP TO THIS CUL-DE-SAC. IT'S NOT THE ENTIRE SUBDIVISION.
WE LOOKED INTO THAT AFTER WE HAD THE MEETING TO SEE IF WE CAN GO THAT ROUTE BECAUSE THAT OPTION HAS TO BE PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL ALSO.
YES. AND THEN JUST WANTED TO ADD, FOR THE RECORD, I KNOW WE HAD THE CONVERSATION OF EXCEPTIONS. I THINK THAT EXCEPTIONS ARE NECESSARY SOMETIMES, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE SITUATION AND WHEN WE PROPERLY JUSTIFY AND DOCUMENT.
I DON'T THINK EXCEPTIONS ARE A BAD THING OR CAN EVEN SET FORTH A PRECEDENCE THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE FOLLOWED. THIS IS A EVERY SITUATION IS DIFFERENT AND NO ORDINANCE OR NO RULE OR GUIDELINE IS GOING TO SOLVE EVERYBODY'S PROBLEM.
SO I JUST WANTED FOR THE RECORD TO MAKE IT KNOWN THAT EXCEPTIONS AND THIS IS WHAT WE ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO COME FORTH WITH THE PROPER INFORMATION, DO ESSENCE IN DOING THE RESEARCH FOR US BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY KIND OF WHAT THEY DO.
SO THANK YOU FOR COMING FORWARD AND DOING THE RESEARCH, AND I THINK YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD HERE THAT IT HAS TO BE DOCUMENTED AND TRANSPARENT.
IT CANNOT MAKE IT EXCEPTIONS JUST BY EXAGGERATING.
NOT JUST BECAUSE I HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT, BUT I WOULD HATE TO DO THAT.
I WOULD RATHER HAVE A TRANSPARENT CONVERSATION WITH DIRECTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL POSSIBLE TO GET THEM A VARIANCE WHILE THE CITY WORKS THROUGH THE REST OF THIS.
SO MR. AND MRS. DANTZLER CAN MOVE ON WITH BUILDING A HOME.
IS IT YOU'RE SAYING, IS IT POSSIBLE? IT IS POSSIBLE, BUT THE DIRECTION HAS TO COME FROM THE COUNCIL? YES, I CAN SAY SOUNDS OK.
THIS. AND SO THIS IS IGNORANCE ASKING HERE.
WITH WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH NOW IS, I MEAN, TO ME, IT MAKES SENSE.
AND I AGREE EXCEPTION IS THE RULE FLAWED, AND I'M JUST CURIOUS, LIKE IN YOUR PERSPECTIVE, LIKE THE WAY IT'S DESIGNED RIGHT NOW.
IS IT SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED? OR DO YOU FEEL LIKE? WELL, NO, THE RULE IS FINE.
IT'S JUST THIS HAPPENS TO BE ONE OF THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE IT'S ROUGH.
I THINK THE RULE IS FINE BECAUSE THIS WILL, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE LOTS OF ROADS THAT ARE NOT OPENED YET.
PLUS, THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE A STREET CLEARING CRITERIA FOR CLEARING THE PROPERTIES.
SO A LOT OF PEOPLE CAN COME AND OPEN THE ROADS AND START BUILDING WITHOUT BUILDING INFRASTRUCTURES LIKE STORMWATER AND UTILITIES AND PAVEMENT AND STUFF.
SO WE ARE TRYING TO AVOID THAT.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE CANNOT ALLOW BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY PROPERTIES THAT ARE UNDEVELOPED.
WE ARE AT ABOUT 40 TO 50 PERCENT DEVELOPED AREA AND THEN WE HAVE LOTS OF AREAS THAT ARE WOODED. WE HAVE LOTS OF RIGHT OF WAYS THAT WE HAVE NOT OPENED YET.
SO IF SOMEBODY STARTS OPENING AND BUILDING ON THEM, THEN IT DOESN'T STOP ANY OTHER DEVELOPER TO COME AND CLEAR AN AREA WITHOUT A PERMIT AND BUILD INDIVIDUAL HOUSES.
IT'S SO WITH YOU STATING THAT ISSUE, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL ARE WORKING TO CREATE A RULE FOR OR SOME FORM OF A OH, WE ARE TRYING TO CREATE LIKE A.
I WOULD CALL A PROCESS FOR THESE THREE POINT TWO MILES RATHER THAN CALL IT A DAY.
BECAUSE IF YOU WERE TO GRANT THE EXCEPTION TO THEM AGAIN, PLEASE, MR. DANTZLER NELSON.
HE SAID, IS A FEAR THAT IT COULD.
OTHERS COULD COME AND SAY THE SAME.
YES, RIGHT? BUT AT LEAST FOR THESE THREE POINT TWO MILES, THEY WILL COME AND SAY THE SAME BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT.
AND SO YOU BELIEVE THERE IS A WAY TO BE CONSISTENT? RANT IN THE AIR, AS LONG AS WE ARE TRANSPARENT ABOUT IT, WE HAVE GOOD.
AT THAT POINT, WE WOULD HAVE BACKUP INFORMATION AND WE WOULD HAVE HISTORY RIGHT NOW, WE JUST REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO GO BASED OFF OF.
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SO WE'RE AT THIS POINT TRYING TO CREATE THERE STILL NEEDS TO BE AN INTERNAL MEETING OF MINDS IN THE CITY BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE CONVERSATION HAS BEEN ONLY WITH THE CITY ENGINEER, MYSELF AND THE CITY MANAGER.WE NEED TO HAVE PLANNING AND ZONING AND BUILDING.
EVERYBODY SHOULD BE IN ONE ROOM TO GO OVER PROS AND CONS OF THIS EXCEPTION.
AND WE WILL WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION BY STAFF.
WE HAVE WE HAVE AGREED TO WORK WITH THEM, BUT THERE HAS TO BE OPTIONS GIVEN TO THE COUNCIL. WE JUST CANNOT GO TO COUNCIL AND SAY, GIVE EXCEPTIONS.
UNDERSTAND LIKE YOU HAVE TO BE AT THE MICROPHONE, SO IT GOES IN THE RECORD.
EXCUSE ME. IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THERE'S REALLY ONLY TWO OPTIONS HERE, RIGHT? EITHER THE CITY GRANTS US THE EXCEPTION AND DOES IT FAIRLY SOON BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LIKE TO BUILD THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR MONTHS NOW.
SO EITHER WE'RE GRANTED THE EXEMPTION AND WE'RE ALLOWED TO BUILD OR THE CITY NEEDS TO PAVE THE ROAD. BECAUSE THEY OWN THE ROAD, THERE IS NO QUESTION ABOUT IT, WHETHER THEY WANT TO SQUABBLE OVER THE WORD ACCEPTED AND HOW ACCEPTED WORKS OR NOT IS A DIFFERENT STORY BECAUSE THE WHOLE THING ABOUT BEING ACCEPTED IF YOU READ THE ORDINANCE FOR ACCEPTANCE. AND IF YOU REPLACE APPLICANT WITH CITY AND READ THROUGH IT, IT'S GOING TO LOOK REALLY, REALLY SILLY.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE CITY HAS TO ACCEPT THEIR OWN ROADS.
THAT'S NOT WHY THE ORDINANCE WAS WRITTEN OR HOW THE ORDINANCE WAS WRITTEN.
IF THE CITY OWNS A ROAD, THE CITY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ROAD.
IF A PRIVATE ENTITY OWNS A ROAD.
BUILDS A ROAD, THEY HAVE TO GET ACCEPTANCE, AND THAT'S THE WHOLE THING IS TO ENSURE THAT IT MEETS THE CRITERIA AND THE THINGS THAT ARE IN THE PUBLIC WORKS MANUAL AND ALL OF THAT, RIGHT? THAT'S THAT PURPOSE.
THE CITY BUILDS A NEW ROAD OF THEIR OWN.
THEY OWN THE PROPERTY, THEY BUILD A ROAD.
THEY'RE THEN GOING TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND ASK FOR THE CITY TO ACCEPT THE ROAD THAT THEY BUILT. THAT MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE.
THAT'S A WASTE OF COUNCIL'S TIME.
IT'S A WASTE OF EVERYBODY'S TIME IF THAT'S WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN. RIGHT.
RIGHT. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A MONTH, SO I'M JUST TRYING TO RECALL TO THE LAST MEETING BECAUSE THERE WAS IT WAS IT WAS ABOUT THIS WHERE IT WAS SAID THAT.
LIKE, LIKE THE CITY LOST LIKE LIKE THE PAPERWORK OR SOMETHING ABOUT LIKE THEM OWNING THE ROAD SOMETHING. AM I CORRECT IN THAT? MIKE IS ON.
UH, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, THIS ONE'S ON AGAIN, AS MENTIONED BY EVERYBODY SO FAR, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME HISTORY BEHIND YOU. THERE'S SOME PAST APPROVALS AND PAST ACCEPTANCE OF DOCUMENTS IN THE ROAD. WE DON'T KNOW WHY IT HAPPENED, BUT IT HAPPENED.
THE TERMS THAT WE HAVE TO CLARIFY AS THOSE TWO WORDS GET HAVE IMPROVED AND ACCEPTED.
THOSE ARE THE TWO WORDS IN THE ORDINANCE.
THERE'S AN INTERPRETATION FROM ONE INTERPRETATION OR ANOTHER, BUT IT'S HOW YOU READ IT, HOW YOU READ THE ORDINANCE, BUT IT'S IN THE ORDINANCE.
SO WE GOT TO CLEAR THAT UP AS WELL, BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO COME BACK AND HIT US AGAIN IN THE FUTURE. SO TALKED ABOUT CLARIFYING THAT AND TRULY IDENTIFYING WHAT IS CONSIDERED TO BE IMPROVED AND WHAT IS CONSIDERED TO BE ACCEPTED.
BUT THE PROBLEM WE HAVE IS THE WHO HAS SAID THIS ROAD IS NOT IN THE ROAD PROGRAM TO BE PAVED. THE AGREEMENT BY COUNCIL WAS TO PAVE ALL THE STREETS THAT WERE PAVED, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE THESE STREETS THAT ARE REALLY BAD AND DOESN'T HAVE ANY SIGNS OF PAVEMENT.
BUT AT ONE TIME THEY WERE PAID BY GDC THAT IN FACT WE HAVE PEOPLE HERE USED TO WORK FOR GDC SAYS THOSE STREETS AT ONE TIME, WE'RE PAVED AND SO WE'RE GOING TO REPAY THEM.
A STREET THAT WAS NEVER PAID DIRT WASN'T ON THE LIST.
SO NOW WE'RE ADDING THREE MORE MILES TO THE ROAD PROGRAM.
WHAT'S THE COST? I DON'T HAVE THE.
IT'S THE MOBILIZE, IF IT'S YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT, IF IT'S CONTINUOUSLY MARS, BUT WHEN THIS AND I KNOW WHERE THE STREETS ARE, THEY'RE ALL FRAGMENTED, OK? THERE ARE A MAJORITY OF THEM ARE IN THE NORTHEAST AREA AND THEY'RE ALL I HATE TO SAY OLDER STREETS, PARTS OF MOBILE HOMES, PARTS OF OTHER PIECES OF DIRT ROAD.
IT'LL BE VERY CHALLENGING TO BE PAID BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE TO PUT IN A BASE MATERIAL, SOME ROCK MATERIAL, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO THEN PUT THE ASPHALT IN.
AND SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE DON'T WANT ASPHALT PASTRY.
IT'S GOOD EXAMPLE. REMEMBER, FOR TONIGHT, THERE ARE PEOPLE SCREAMING AT US THAT DON'T WANT THEIR STREETS PAVED WHERE WE APPROVED PAVING ALL MEN.
BUT THERE'S A SECTION THEY DIDN'T WANT TO BE PAID BECAUSE THEY LIKE THE WAY IT WAS.
THEY WANTED TO BE RURAL. THOSE WOULD COME OUT AS THOSE ISSUES, TOO.
SO I THINK COUNCIL YOUR DECISION TONIGHT AND COUNCIL DECISIONS TO HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS LARGER PICTURE. AND THAT'S WHY I THINK MHOOL IS TRYING TO SAY WE NEED TO GET ALL THE
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FACTS. AND I THINK THE FACT IS GOING TO BE WHAT HAPPENED HERE IS IS NOT OK FOR THEM.I'M SAYING SO. I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS CORRECT.
I THINK UNDER THE FASTER WE COLLECT AND WE REVIEW, IT NEEDS TO BE AN EXCEPTION.
WE ALL AGREE. WE JUST GOT TO GET TO THAT POINT.
AS HAS BEEN, HOW LONG HAS THIS BEEN GOING ON THE PROPERTY? I. ABSOLUTELY.
HOW LONG WILL THIS TAKE? I THINK THE DIRECTIONS WILL TAKE IT TO THE DECEMBER 16TH, A CITY COUNCIL MEETING, AND THEY'LL MAKE AN ACTION THEN WELL BEFORE THE DECEMBER 16TH.
AT THAT POINT, YOU ALL WOULD GET TOGETHER AS A MEETING OF THE MINDS INTERNALLY.
YOU ALL CAN. YEAH, I THINK IT'S JUST A CLARIFICATION HOW WE WANT TO PRESENT IT.
IT DEFINITELY HAVE A MEETING WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE INVOLVED AS WELL. AS A MENTIONED, WE HAVE OTHER DEPARTMENTS, UTILITIES, FIRE GROWTH MANAGEMENT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE ISSUE WITH GROWTH MANAGEMENT IS, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE A PLAN OF SUBDIVISION, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A GHOST.
I CALL IT A GHOST SEGMENT IS BLIGHTED IF BY SOME WEIRD.
IT WANTS TO CONTINUE ON THAT ROAD IS GOING TO CONTINUE ON THEN BECAUSE THERE'S PLOTS OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S DOABLE OR NOT.
I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S DOABLE, BUT IT COULD HAPPEN, YOU KNOW? BUT YOU MEAN PAST THE CUL DE SAC PAST THE CUL DE SAC? ALL THOSE PLOTS ARE PLOTTED.
AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM WE HAVE IN BOMBAY.
WE HAD GDC WENT OUT AND JUST PLOTTED EVERYTHING.
AND SO BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL PLOTTED, THEY'RE OK TO CLEAR IT AND MOVE THE TREES BECAUSE IT WAS PLANTED. YEAH, AND WE'RE STUCK WITH THEM.
AND WE'RE NO DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, I'M SAYING I CAME FROM SEBASTIAN THE SAME WAY DOWN THERE TO GDC, SAME THING.
PLAY THE WHOLE CITY A LITTLE LOTS EVERYWHERE.
I THINK THE POSITIVE IS THAT WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE, ESPECIALLY FOR MR. GINZLER, IS.
IT FEELS LIKE EVERYBODY'S IN AGREEMENT THAT AN EXCEPTION SHOULD TAKE PLACE.
I DO LIKE THE THOUGHT THAT YOU WOULD GET THE MEETING OF THE MINDS PRIOR TO THAT DECEMBER 16TH MEETING SO THAT COUNCIL COULD BE PROVIDED WITH ALL THE FACTS, BUT WITH THE IDEA OF, HEY, WE SHOULD DO THIS, BUT HERE'S WHAT WE'VE LEARNED, AND HERE'S HOW WE PLAN ON MOVING GOING FORWARD SO THAT WE DON'T CONTINUE TO PUT OURSELVES IN THESE PREDICAMENTS.
FOR CLARIFICATION. YEAH, MORE THAN.
WELL, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, HAVING TO GET THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND UTILITIES AND EVERYBODY ELSE INVOLVED, BUT WE'RE THE INFRASTRUCTURE PIECE OF THAT.
AS FAR AS A BOARD RECOMMENDATION GOING FORWARD.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO JUST ONE ITEM THAT THE PUBLIC WORKS INTENDED HERE IS ONLY TO MAKE SURE THIS HOW CAN WE AVOID IN THE FUTURE? ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S THE ONLY OPTION WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT.
IF THIS CAN BE ACCEPTED, THAT'S OKAY WITH US.
BUT HOW CAN WE STOP FROM SOMEBODY WHO HAS NO IDEA WHAT, WHAT, WHAT ARE THE RULES AND WHO COMES IN AND CLEAR THE LAND AND STARTS BUILDING AND ASK FOR EXCEPTION BECAUSE YOU ALREADY GIVEN ONE, YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THROUGH.
SO THERE HAS TO BE WE HAVE TO PUT SOME KIND OF MECHANISM WITH IT.
THAT'S THE DISCUSSION THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
SO I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND DO A MOTION TO SUPPORT THE MEN'S GENSLER'S SORRY IN ALLOWING FOR THERE TO BE AN EXCEPTION MADE PROVIDING THAT WE ADD IN CLARIFICATION TO THE THE ORDINANCE AND FOR US TO FURTHER EXPLORE SOME OF THESE DEFINITIONS OF THESE WORDS SO THAT WE'RE NOT ASSUMING AND INSINUATING ANYTHING LIKE THAT WAS A VERY LENGTHY MOTION. I JUST ADD ONE THING IS THIS TAKES ME RIGHT BACK TO THE CONVERSATION WE WERE HAVING BEFORE THE MEETING, AND IT'S RIGHT OUT OFF OF GAINOR.
HE USED TO BE A DIRT ROAD AND THE KIDS WOULD GET OUT OF SCHOOL AND THEY'D FLY DOWN THAT DIRT ROAD AND PICK UP ALL THE DUST.
AND FINALLY, THE RESIDENTS HAD ENOUGH AND THEY ASKED THE CITY TO BARRICADE OFF THAT ROAD SO THAT PUBLIC ROAD WAS BASICALLY TURNED INTO A PRIVATE ROAD.
SAYS WE'D LIKE THAT ROAD OPEN.
AND JUST LIKE THAT, THE ROAD GETS OPEN SO WE CAN BEND OVER BACKWARDS FOR DEVELOPERS AND THE BUILDERS. BUT A RESIDENT COMES BEFORE US WITH A PROBLEM LIKE THIS, AND IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THE THAT ACTION SHOULD BE TAKEN WITH THE SAME DILIGENCE.
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AS IF IT WAS A MILLION, YOU KNOW, SOME A BUILDER COMING IN BUILT A MILLION DOLLAR HOMES.NO COMMENT ON THAT. NO COMMENT.
I HAVE A LOT OF COMMENTS, BUT I'LL KEEP THEM TO MYSELF.
WITH THAT, I'LL CALL THE QUESTION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, I OPPOSED.
GOOD LUCK. ABSOLUTELY HOPE IN DECEMBER 16TH CAN GET YOU ALL TO THE END OF THE.
ITEM NUMBER THREE, THE ROAD BOND PROGRAM PHASE FOUR PRESENTATION.
GOOD EVENING, FRANK WATANABE, THE CITY ENGINEER.
THIS HAS TO BE THE PHASE FOUR OF THE ROAD PROGRAM.
SO WHAT I'LL BE ASKING FOR IS AN ENDORSEMENT OF THE YEAR FOR PHASE FOUR.
SO IF YOU TURN THE SLIDE, STEPHANIE, THIS IS THE FIVE YEAR PROGRAM THAT WE ALL COUNCIL AGREED UPON. YOU GUYS ALL HAVE BEEN ENDORSING OF THE FIVE YEAR PROGRAM AS AN EIGHT YEARS OF CONSTRUCTION AND SHOWN IN DIFFERENT PHASES OF THE FIVE YEARS TOTAL MILES, SEVEN HUNDRED AND SEVEN HUNDRED AND NINETY ONE MILES.
SO THIS CAME OUT OF THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE ROAD PROGRAM THAT COUNCIL APPROVED.
THE COLOR MAP IS ARE THE UNITS THAT WERE ALL APPROVED BACK IN TWENTY NINETEEN AND WE'VE BEEN MOVING FORWARD WITH EACH OF THESE PHASES.
AND SO WE MOVE FORWARD TO YEAR ONE, THE NEXT SLIDE.
YEAR ONE WAS THE STREETS THAT WE'VE SHOWN WAS FORTY ONE OUT, AROUND THIRTY TO THIRTY ONE POINT THIRTY TO FORTY TWO GARVEY AND THEN ELEVEN FIFTEEN EIGHTEEN, TWENTY THREE AND FIFTY SIX ALL WRAPS UP THE YEAR.
ALL YEAR ONE IS COMPLETED, SO THAT PULLS US ANOTHER ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY THREE MILES OF PAVED ROADS. THE GOOD NEWS WAS WE ENGINEERS ESTIMATE ABOUT 40 MILLION.
IT CAME IN ABOUT 30 MILLION, SO WE HAD TO GET SAVINGS THE FIRST YEAR.
THAT'S GOOD. TURNING TO THE NEXT SLIDE YEAR TWO, WE HAD A LITTLE HICCUP IN YEAR TO YEAR TWO WAS A LARGER YEAR TWO BECAUSE WE ADDED ALL THE NORTHEAST AREA.
WHAT COLORS IS GREENER? IT WAS BLUE. IT WAS THE BLUE ONES FACE ONE ON HERE.
THIS GREEN? OH NO, IT'S TO BE BLUE.
IT'S BLUE FOR ME. IT'S BLUE, IT'S BLUE.
I WAS ASKING NEXT TIME YOU PRESENT KIDS OF DIFFERENT COLORS BECAUSE THIS ON PURPLE, WHATEVER LOOKS, BUT ALSO ARE NOT THAT COLOR.
I'M SORRY. I MEAN, THOSE ARE THE HANDS THAT WE'VE HAD AND SAYING, YOU'RE GOING TO SHOW THEM BLUE, RIGHT? OK, A YEAR OR TWO IS KIND OF SHOWN IN GOLD.
THE NEXT SLIDE? YEAR TWO, WE EXPAND IT TO INCLUDE ALL THE NORTHEAST AREA.
BECAUSE THE NORTHEAST IS ALL SMALLER, OPEN BAY.
THEY'RE NOT UNITS UP. THERE'S NOT LIKE THE REST OF THE SEA THAT WAS DEVELOPED BY GDC, WHICH HAS UNITS NORTHEAST WAS OPEN.
SO THERE ARE NO UNITS, SO THERE ARE CLUSTERS AND GROUPS UP THE LADDER.
SO WE PUT THEM ALL TOGETHER AS ONE BIG AREA NORTHEAST.
SO THAT'S WHAT JUMPED THE UNITS FOR A YEAR OR TWO.
AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAD SOME UTILITY CONFLICTS.
AGAIN, THE NORTHEAST IS THE OLDER PART OF TOWN.
A LOT OF UTILITY CONFLICTS, A LOT OF AREA IS GOOD.
EXAMPLE WAS WE WERE ON, BUT BIANCA JUST PARKING THE ROLLER ON THE ROAD, CRACK THE PIPE.
THE UTILITY PIPES IS SO SHALLOW THAT WE WE ACTUALLY HAD TO STOP AND RECHECK WITH THE UTILITY DEPARTMENTS WHERE ALL THEIR UTILITIES WERE BECAUSE THEY SAY WE WERE DAMAGING UTILITIES BECAUSE WE WERE PAVING ON ROADS THAT HAD VERY SHALLOW UTILITY LINES.
WE WERE WE KNEW SOME OF THE ISSUES, BUT WE DIDN'T KNOW HOW BAD IT WAS.
WE HAD SOME ADDITIONAL QC THAT TOOK A LITTLE LONGER.
SO BECAUSE OF THAT YEAR TO AS OF RIGHT NOW, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING INTO YEAR FOUR, WE'RE STILL FIFTY FIVE PERCENT COMPLETED OF YEAR TWO.
BUT AGAIN, REMEMBER A YEAR OR TWO HAS A LOT OF ROADS, A LOT OF A LOT OF UNITS TO AS WELL.
BUT WE'RE WORKING ON WAY DOWN AND AS YOU SEE DOWN THAT LIST, TOTAL AMOUNT WE HAVE AS ENGINEER, THAT'S ABOUT 40 MILLION.
I DON'T, I BELIEVE MORE LIKELY BY THE TIME WE GET DONE BECAUSE THE ASPHALT PRICES, WHICH IS AMAZING, ARE STILL HOLDING GOOD WITH THE COMPANIES WE HAVE.
I'M ASSUMING WE'D BE CLOSER MORE TO LIKE ABOUT THIRTY FIVE OR LESS.
SO THERE WILL BE ANOTHER FIVE MILLION DOLLARS SAVINGS IN YEAR TWO.
BEST GUESS BASED ON RUNNING THE NUMBERS AS WE'RE GOING DOWN AND BECAUSE THEIR ASPHALT PRICES HAVE NOT JUMPED, THEY'VE BEEN PRETTY CONSTANT BECAUSE WE HAVE THE SAME FOUR TO FIVE PAVING COMPANIES, THEY'RE ALL STAYING IN COMPETITION.
I THINK WE WERE GOING TO BE GOOD FOR STILL FOR RIGHT NOW, BUT THOSE ARE THE LISTS WE SHOW. AND THEN YEAR THREE, AS WE MOVE FORWARD YEAR THREE, WE'RE READY TO RELEASE THE FIRST TWO, WHICH WOULD BE EMERSON, WHICH WAS THE LAST HALF OF EMERSON.
EMERSON WAS PART OF YEAR ONE, BUT WE HAD TO BIFURCATE IT BECAUSE OF THE SEA FIFTY ONE CANAL. WE COULDN'T.
WE HAD TO FIX THE CANAL, WHICH IS BEING FIXED RIGHT NOW JUST SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT RULE IS GOING TO BE CLOSED ON MONDAY AGAIN IS GOING TO BE CLOSED ON MONDAY SO WE CAN START FIXING THAT CULVERT PIPE.
SO EMERSON IS GROUPED WITH 48 AND THOSE ARE READY TO GO.
SO THAT'D BE THE FIRST TO A YEAR OR THREE THAT WOULD BE READY TO GO.
IT WAS. IT'S ALREADY BEEN SENT TO PROCUREMENT FOR ADVERTISEMENTS, SO THAT PACKAGE IS
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READY TO GO. BUT HERE ARE THE REST OF THEM TO BE 13, 14, 20 TO 30, WHICH IS A BIG AREA.THIRTY SEVEN, FORTY EIGHT AND FIFTY SEVEN AND AN EMERSON.
WE JUST GOT TO JUST GET UNIT TWO DONE, AS WELL AS PARTS OF UNIT THREE AS WE MIX THEM TOGETHER. SO JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A HEADS UP, THOSE ARE THE ONES IN GREEN.
FINALLY, YEAR FOUR AND SO IT'S CALLED YOUR FOUR, BUT IT'S REALLY THE PHASE FOUR.
AND THIS IS AGAIN THE SMALLER OF ALL THE YEARS.
THIS IS THE SMALLER NUMBER OF UNITS.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT ONLY NINETY THREE LANE MILES, SO ROAD MILES, THE ROAD MODELS, THESE ARE OUR ROLE MODELS. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT UNITS SIX, FORTY FOUR, FORTY FIVE, FIFTY AND FIFTY EIGHT. SO THAT GROUP UP YEAR FOUR OR PHASE FOUR.
SO WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT IS GETTING YOUR ENDORSEMENT AND THEN THIS WILL BE TAKEN WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTORY TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THEIR APPROVAL FOR THE YEAR FOUR OR PHASE FOUR. FOR ROAD PAVING PROGRAM.
AND TYPICALLY, WE TAKE IT TO THE COUNCIL, USUALLY IN JANUARY, FEBRUARY, AND THEN UNLESS THERE'S SOME CHANGES, THEY TRY NOT TO MOVE THE UNITS BECAUSE IF YOU START MOVING THE UNITS, IT'S IT CAUSES ISSUES, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST AND BEYOND THAT, THEN WE ONLY HAVE THE THE LAST FIFTH YEAR LEFT.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S THE LAST LINE.
IT'S THE LAST SLIDE. AND THE GOOD NEWS IS BASED ON MY ROUGH ESTIMATE, MY ROUGH ESTIMATE.
YOUR FIVE WILL HAVE ABOUT ABOUT 30, ABOUT $35 MILLION.
SO TOUCH AND GO IN TERMS OF IF WE CAN GET IT ALL DONE, BUT IT'S CLOSE.
IT'D BE CLOSE. SO JUST A QUICK QUESTION, JUST BECAUSE I'M CURIOUS.
THE. WHAT IS THIS, MELBOURNE? NO FLAT, WHAT UNIT IS THAT THAT WAS UP THERE IN UNIT PINES IS UP THERE IN? YOU'RE CORRECT. 16 TO 16.
BUT THAT IS 16 IS AND NONE OF THE PHASES, RIGHT? 16. YEAH, IT IS.
LOOKING AT THE LISTING ON THE PHASES, AND I DON'T SEE UNITS.
FIFTEEN. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN UNDER PHASE.
THE DIRT ROADS, ANY OF THAT THREE MILES INCLUDED A MAJORITY OF THE THE DISCUSSION WE HAD ON THE YEAR THREE ARE IN THE NORTHEAST AREA.
SO YEAR TWO AND WE'RE COMING AROUND AND HITTING THEM, WE KIND OF BROKE THEM.
WE CALL THEM THE NORTHEAST MISCELLANEOUS SECTION.
SO THEY'RE ALL LITTLE FRAGMENTS BECAUSE THEY'RE HERE.
ONE OF THOSE, THOSE TRAILER FACILITIES, THOSE ARE PUBLIC STREETS, BUT THEY'RE DIRT.
YOUR PHASE FOUR PLAN OR ANY OF THOSE ANY OF THE THINGS YOU'RE LOOKING TO GET APPROVED TONIGHT OR ARE WE SKIPPING ANY ROADS, IS ANY OF THAT TO DIRT ROADS? AGAIN, MOSTLY MOST OF THEM ARE.
AS I MENTIONED, FOUR ARE IN THE NORTHEAST AIR THAT I'M AWARE OF.
ALMOST ALL THE ROADS THAT I KNOW OF THAT ARE WE HEADED.
THE THREE MILES ARE IN THAT NORTHEAST AREA.
UNIT 53, 52 AND 51, THERE'S NO ONE LIVING THERE.
THOSE ARE NEVER PART OF THE COMPOUND, WAS NEVER A PART OF THE ORIGINAL ROGUE PROGRAM.
THEY WERE TAKEN OUT. SO THAT'S WHY SEVEN HUNDRED AND NINETY ONE MILES, IF YOU ACTUALLY ADDED UP ALL THE ROAD MILES, WHICH INCLUDED THOSE COMPOUND MILES, IT'S MORE LIKE EIGHT HUNDRED AND FIFTY MILES.
BUT THOSE ROADS ARE TAKEN OUT FROM THE FROM THE GET GO.
FROM THE BEGINNING, THEY WERE NEVER PART OF THE ROAD PROGRAM.
WHICH PART WHICH PART OF EMERSON SAID WILL BE CLOSED BECAUSE FROM THIS, IT'S PRETTY MUCH FROM THE IT'S WHERE THE SEA 51 CANAL IS JUST SOUTH OF AMERICANA.
YOU KNOW, IT WAS WHERE THE PARK IS, WHERE WE STOPPED AT SEA ONE CANAL AND THAT SECTION, WE NEED TO FINISH. THE QUESTIONS, IF NOT, I'LL TAKE A MOTION.
MAKE A MOTION TO AND ENDORSE YOUR PHOTO OR ROLL PAVING THAT WAS PRESENTED.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, I THANK YOU, OPPOSED.
AND THEN THERE'S ONE ADDITIONAL ITEM THAT DIDN'T MAKE IT TO THE AGENDA.
CURRENTLY, OUR DECEMBER MEETING IS SCHEDULED FOR DECEMBER 27TH.
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CHRISTMAS IS ON A SATURDAY, THE TWENTY SEVENTH IS THE MONDAY, SO I WHAT I WANT TO PUT ON THE AGENDA WAS CONSIDERATION FOR CANCELING THE DECEMBER MEETING, AND I CAN'T MAKE A MOTION AS THE CHAIR.TO CONFIRM THE CITY HAS STILL NOT DONE ANY INNOVATIONS TO ALLOW FOR VIRTUAL ATTENDANCE OF MEMBERS, CORRECT? SINCE THE MEETING.
ON THE 16TH OR THAT GENTLEMAN'S LINE.
WAS THIS THEY SAID NO AND THAT NEED SOME.
AS PART OF THAT, HAVE ANY EFFECT WE HAVE IN EFFECT.
I I THINK THAT IF THEY WERE TO MAKE THAT DECISION, I DON'T KNOW OF ANYTHING THAT WE WOULD SAY IN THAT MEETING WOULD.
BE ABLE TO AFFECT THE DIFFERENCE OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE GOING BEFORE COUNCIL, BEFORE THAT MEETING WOULD BEEN ANYWAY.
YOU KNOW, IF IF IF TONIGHT IS.
ANY REFLECTION ON LIGHT BECAUSE IT'S ROUGH WHEN IT'S AROUND A HOLIDAY LIKE THIS? AND BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT CHRISTMAS AND NEW YEAR'S AND THAT WEEK AND PEOPLE TRAVELING BECAUSE. I GOT TO LOOK AT MY PLANS AS WELL, SO I I WOULD TELL YOU I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE GO AHEAD AND AND CANCEL THE DECEMBER 27TH MEETING.
A SECOND, THE MOTION IS IN FAVOR, I OPPOSED ANY OTHER BUSINESS FOR THE BOARD.
AND I'LL CALL THE MEETING ADJOURNED AT SEVEN 50 PM, THANK YOU.
BUT.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.