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CALLED THE MEETING TO ORDER 701, AND CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE?
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IS THIS ON? ALL RIGHT.CHAIRPERSON THOMAS COME HERE, VICE CHAIR REBECCA THABHAIRT, MEMBER ANNE MARIE FRAZIER APPEAR. SHE'S ABSENT. NO PAUL EDWARDS.
HERE HE IS ABSENT MEMBER DAVID JONES.
AND BEAR, TERRY, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A CORE YOU.
UH, ADOPTION, A MINUTES NEED A MOTION FOR THE NOVEMBER 22ND.
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AND IT'S ANY CHANGES.IT A MOTION FOR THE JANUARY, JANUARY 24TH MEETING CHAIR WHOSE SECOND THAT MOTION.
IT'S JANUARY 24TH MEETING, WHICH WE DIDN'T HAVE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE A QUORUM.
WHY WE DIDN'T HAVE ONE IN DECEMBER.
IN. JAN, WE DIDN'T HAVE A QUORUM, AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEEDED MOTION FOR NOW, IS THAT OFFICIALLY INTO THE RECORD? WE. SECOND OF ALL, IN FAVOR, I POST AS UNANIMOUS ON THE NEW BUSINESS.
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FRANK, TALK ABOUT THE ST.JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY ALTERNATIVE CORRIDOR.
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH AGAIN, FRANK WATANABE, THE CITY ENGINEER.
THANK YOU. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO CALL? OR OH, PROBABLY HERE I.
YEAH. BEFORE WE GET TO PUBLIC COMMENTS, MR BATTEN, DID YOU? WHEN I SPEAK. BUT.
ROB EVATON 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST AT THE LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING, THERE WAS A DEVELOPER THAT WAS TRYING TO GET SOME WORK TO A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT ON ON GAINOR ROAD. AND I BROUGHT IT OUT TO THE CITY COUNCIL AT THAT TIME THAT THERE WAS NO RIGHT OF WAY AVAILABLE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF GAINOR AND FALLS CHURCH STREET.
AND I POINTED OUT WHEN I BROUGHT IT OUT THAT THE INTERACTION WITH THAT DEVELOPER WAS WHEN I BROUGHT THAT SPECIFIC QUESTION UP TO THEM.
I WAS TOLD THAT TO SIT AT THE PUBLIC MEETING THAT YOU DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT IT.
WE HAVE A MAGIC WAND AND WE THAT'S HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET THE WATER TO OUR PROPERTY.
AND THAT WAS THE RESPONSE I GOT.
AND I'M JUST TRYING TO LET THE INFRASTRUCTURE ADVISORY KNOW THAT THE DEVELOPMENT WAS COMING IN AND THE COUNCIL DIDN'T EVEN CHALLENGE THAT THE FACT THAT THERE WAS NO RIGHT OF WAY AVAILABLE, BUT THEY APPROVED THE DEVELOPMENT TO COME IN AND PART OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT. BECAUSE IT'S A PUDDY, THEY HAVE TO RUN WATER AND SEWER.
BUT THERE IS NO RIGHT OF WAY OF AVAILABLE IN ONE SECTION OF GAINOR ROAD AT THE INTERSECTION OF GAINOR AND FALLS CHURCH.
SO I'M TRYING TO SEE IF I CAN GET SOME A LITTLE MORE BITE THAN ME AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN TO BRING SOMETHING UP THAT DOES PERTAIN TO INFRASTRUCTURE AS IT REVOLVES TO THE CITY.
SO I'M NOT SURE HOW TO GO ABOUT IT, BUT I'M JUST TRYING ONE MORE THING.
I'M NOT TRYING TO STOP THE DEVELOPMENT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DO THIS? BESIDES TEARING UP MY BRAND NEW ROAD IN ORDER TO RUN, YOU KNOW, QUARTER MILE OF WATER AND SEWER? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THIS IS THE ONE ON GAINOR ROAD AS A.
IT'S CALLED RICHMOND COVE, OK? SURE. A FRANK, ARE YOU AWARE OF OF OF WHAT MR BATTEN IS SPEAKING OF? YES, I YES, I DO.
WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT IS WHEN WE DID, WHEN WE WHEN WE RECONSTRUCTED GAINOR ROAD, THERE WAS SOME CHALLENGES WITH RIGHT AWAY.
WE DIDN'T HAVE ALL THE RIGHT WAY.
AND IN THE PROCESS, WE TRIED TO OBTAIN RIDE AWAY ON THE WEST SIDE WHERE MR BATTEN IS TALKING ABOUT AND THE OWNER WAS NOT WAS NOT OPEN TO ANY KIND OF RIGHT AWAY DISCUSSIONS AND ANY RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITIONS TO THE POINT WHERE RIGHT NOW THERE'S A GOOD SECTION OF
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AND ROAD THAT PRETTY MUCH JUST TOUCHES US RIGHT AWAY.THERE IS NO ROOM TO WIDEN ON THE WEST SIDE.
SO THAT'S A CHALLENGE WHEN THE WATER AND SEWER, IF YOU KNOW, GETTING A ROAD IS DOWN THERE AT THAT SUBDIVISION, IT'S CALLED RIGHT NOW, BUT THERE'S A BRAND NEW SUBDIVISION NOW AT THE END OF WHAT IT'S CALLED DOWN THERE BY BOMBARDIER.
TWO STREETS AWAY FROM BOMBARDIER.
THERE'S A BRAND NEW PUDI AND THERE'S A LIFT STATION DOWN THERE.
WHAT ARE THE WATER AND SEWERS DOWN THERE? THAT LINE HAS TO COME UP IN A ROAD.
RIGHT AWAY. AND CHALLENGE WOULD BE I THINK COUNCIL WOULD NOT WANT OUR BRAND NEW ROAD CUT OPEN. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO HAVE TO BRING IT DOWN.
FALLS CHURCH OR SOMETHING IN OR UNDERNEATH ON THE TERMINATION POINTS, AS YOU KNOW, IS DOWN THERE BY BOMBARDIER, RIGHT? THAT AREA HAS SPORADIC WATER AND SEWER.
THAT'S WHY IT KIND OF BOUNCES AROUND THAT AREA.
I THINK THERE'S A MAIN LINE UP, UP AND DOWN SANFILIPPO.
FOR IT TO GO ALL THE WAY BACK OUT TO SANFILIPPO, THAT'S A THAT'S A BIG JUMP IF YOU WANT TO GO UP. YOU CAN'T CROSS THE CANAL BACK THERE AND IF YOU COME AND DOWN FALLS CHURCH, THAT'S A LONG STRETCH TOO.
AND THEN ARE YOU GOING TO TIE IN ALL THOSE HOMES THAT UP AND DOWN FALLS CHURCH? AGAIN, THAT'S GOING TO BE ISSUES REGARDING SIZING THE FOREST MAN IN THE WATER MAIN.
I THINK THE I THINK THE IDEAL WAS TO JUST GO STRAIGHT UP IN A ROW, WHICH MAKES ALL THE SENSE IN THE WORLD, BUT RIGHT AWAY.
NO, I'D LIKE TO HAVE THIS GUY'S MAGIC WAND BECAUSE WE COULD USE A NEW WATER PLANT SEWER PLANT. BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE A SOLUTION BECAUSE I KNOW FOR A FACT THE OWNER IS NOT WILLING TO SELL. I KNOW THAT FOR A FACT THAT I WAS GOING TO BE HAD THIS DISCUSSION SEVERAL TIMES. THIS WAY, I'LL GO ON RECORD IS THAT PROPERTY WAS NOT WILLING TO SELL.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, BILL. IT'S BEEN BROUGHT TO THE UTILITIES BOARD WHERE IT ACTUALLY BELONGS. THEY DON'T GET A QUORUM TO ME.
I KNOW, BILL, WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.
HIS CONCERN IS TEARING UP THE ROAD.
RIGHT. I MEAN, I THINK IT'S IT'S.
OH, YEAH, THAT KIND OF DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF WE HAVE THIS PLAN, BUT THE PLAN IS NOT GOING TO MEAN ANYTHING IF.
WE MAKE THESE BEAUTIFUL ROADS AND WE HAVE TO TEAR IT UP IMMEDIATELY TO.
I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME MORE OF THESE DISCUSSIONS AS WE'RE PAVING A LOT OF STREETS AND WE'RE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A GOOD THIRD INTO THE ROAD PROGRAM, 30 PERCENT AS I SPEAK RIGHT NOW, I THINK WE'RE AT THIRTY FOUR PERCENT.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THESE CHALLENGES IN OTHER AREAS AS WELL.
SO THIS COMMISSION SHOULD START CONSIDERING HOW YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THESE AND HOW YOU WANT TO BRING THIS TO THE CITY COUNCIL'S OR YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE OF THESE.
AS WE KEEP PAVING ROADS AND HAS DEVELOPMENT COMES IN, THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO TRENCH ACROSS A BRAND NEW PAVED ROAD OR BRAND NEW COLLECTIVE STREET.
AND I BELIEVE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION WAS NO.
WE'VE BEEN DOWN THAT ROAD IN A SIMILAR MANNER TO DEALING WITH THE DEVELOPERS, BUILDING ON THE SCATTER PLOTS AND MESSING UP THE ROADS THAT ARE ALREADY PAVED.
AND THEY'RE TAKING CARE OF THE EDGES AND THE DROP EDGES, BUT WHEN THEY START TALKING ABOUT MAJOR TRENCHES ACROSS THE ROADWAY WHERE YOU CAN DIRECTIONAL BOARD, YOU CAN DIRECTIONAL BORE. BUT WHEN YOU HAVE TO DO A LONGITUDINAL LONGITUDINAL, WHICH IS ALONG THE SAME DIRECTION AS THE ROADWAY AND THERE ARE NO RIGHT OF WAYS AND YOU'VE GOT TO GO TO TWO HUNDRED FEET. I BELIEVE THAT'S A CHALLENGE.
I DON'T THINK THE ISSUE OF OPENING UP A BRAND NEW ROLE JUST PAID TO TWO YEARS AGO IS AN ANSWER. IT'S NOT LIKE WE JUST RESURFACE THAT ROAD, IT HAD TO BE TOTALLY REBUILT OVER RIGHT ON THE RIGHT WAY.
ALL RIGHT. IT WAS IT WAS ACTUALLY RECONSTRUCTED.
IT WAS IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE AN OLD FASHIONED WAY.
IT WAS BECAUSE THE MATERIAL WAS VERY SANDY.
AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THIS, JUST SIX MONTHS TIME IS SIX MONTHS.
ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO, WE JUST REJUVENATED.
SO WE JUST SPENT MORE MONEY PUT MAINTENANCE ON IT.
WHAT WAS CITY COUNCIL'S RESPONSE AT THE MEETING ABOUT? IN FAVOR OF THE DEVELOPMENT, THREE TO ONE TO PROCEED.
THEY DID NOT EVEN QUESTION THE FACT THAT IT WAS POINTED OUT THAT THERE WAS NO RIGHT OF WAY AVAILABLE. THEY NEVER EVEN ADDRESSED IT, AND IT WAS THE DEVELOPER THAT SAID THAT THEY WERE THE ONE WHO MENTIONED THE MAGIC WAND.
I'M THE ONE. I'M GOING BECAUSE I ATTENDED THE PUBLIC MEETING AND I TOLD THE CITY COUNCIL WHAT THEY TOLD THE DEVELOPERS TOLD ME.
BUT THEY THEN THEY STILL WENT AHEAD AND PROCEEDED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S IT'LL BE OK, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE GOOD FOR THE CITY, BUT IT'S GOING TO ROAD.
THEY'VE THEY'VE BEEN CALLING GAINOR ROAD A COLLECTOR ROAD, A MINOR COLLECTOR ROAD.
AND IT'S NOT. IT'S A REGULAR THROUGH STREET.
IT'S NOT, BUT THEY'VE BEEN CLAIMING THAT THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
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AND SO THESE DEVELOPMENTS ARE COMING ON TO IT, BUT THAT IT'S NOT DESIGNATED AS THAT OR OH YEAH, WELL, THIS IS A COLLECT ROAD, SO YOU'VE GOT TO ACCEPT IT.BUT THAT'S NOT THE CASE AT ALL BECAUSE ONCE IT SAID, THEY APPROVE IT.
IT'S THAT'S IT, SO I HAVE TO FIND A MECHANISM TO STAY ACTIVE ON IT WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT RUNNING FOR OFFICE AND SAYING, OK, WE'VE GOT TO GO BACK AND CHANGE ORDINANCES.
I WOULD POINT TO THE NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING ON.
IT'S GOING TO EXTEND GARVEY DOWN TO MADDEN.
BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO MAKE TAKE ALL THAT TRAFFIC OFF OF.
SO THAT MAKES GAYNOR LESS, LESS AND LESS A COLLECTOR ROAD.
BUT THE DEVELOPMENTS ARE STILL HAVE TO ACCESS ONTO THAT THE GOD APPROVAL, BECAUSE THEY WERE DESIGNATED, THEY WERE CALLING IT A MINOR COLLECTOR ROAD, BUT IT WAS NOT.
IT'S JUST A I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WIN.
THE COMP PLAN TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT WE HAVE ROADS ARE DESIGNATED AS EITHER ARTERIAL MINOR OR MAJOR COLLECTOR OR JUST A LOCAL STREET GANG ROAD AS A LOCAL STREET.
HOW CAN A DEVELOPER JUST COME AND SAY, NOW I'M SAYING IT'S.
ONCE IT SAID IT'S HEARD THAT WAS THE KNOWLEDGE BASE, AND THEN WHEN YOU READ THE WRITE UPS ALSO IN THE WRITE UPS THAT FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING WENT THAT WAY TOO.
AND I BRING IT OUT AND SAY, HERE IT IS.
BUT. I CAN ONLY BRING IT TO LIGHT, AND THEN THE ACTION HAS TO BE COME FROM THOSE THAT HAVE THE VOTE OR THE ABILITY TO INFLUENCE.
AND THAT'S WHY I'M BRINGING IT OUT NOW BECAUSE LIKE.
CITY ENGINEER JUST SAID YOU'RE GOING TO BE FACING THIS MORE AND MORE AS THE CITY GROWS.
HERE'S A LIABILITY ON THIS SLY WITH A DEVELOPER OR WITH THE CITY.
I BELIEVE THE PROCESS HAS GOT APPROVED NOW IT WILL GO THROUGH NO FINAL CONSTRUCTION PLAN, SO THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE TO SUBMIT FINAL CONSTRUCTION PLANS, AND THAT'S WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, OOPS, SEE, WE HAVE A PROBLEM HERE, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHEN THERE'S GOING TO BE WHO'S GOING TO THEN HELP TAKE CARE OF THIS ISSUE OF MOVING THIS PROJECT FORWARD, WHERE THE RIGHT AWAY IS CONSTRAINT AND THEN UTILITIES WILL STILL HAVE TO BE INSTALLED.
SO WHO GIVES UP? AND I THINK THE CITY WILL HAVE TO DO WHAT THEY CAN, BUT BEST WHEN IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN, THIS WILL COME BACK WHEN THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS ARE BEING SUBMITTED BACK IN HAS TO BE APPROVED. YOU NOT OVER.
ONTO OUR UPDATE ON A ST JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY ALTERNATIVE CORRIDOR EVALUATION.
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH AGAIN, FRANK WATANABE, THE CITY ENGINEER.
WHAT I HAVE ON THE SCREEN I WOULD GO OVER JUST IS A SUMMARY OF WHAT WE CALL THE ALTERNATIVE CORRIDOR EVALUATION, WHICH IS AN ACE STUDY, WHICH IS THE NEXT STUDY TO IDENTIFY WHERE WHAT THEY CALL THE POTENTIAL CORRIDOR WOULD BE.
WHERE THE TWO NORTHERN PORTION OF THE ST.
JOHN HERITAGE PARKWAY WOULD CONNECT TO THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE ST.
JOHN'S HERITAGE PARK. THAT'S WHAT'S SHOWN IN THIS KIND OF LIKE THIS AERIAL MAP.
THE STUDY AREA BASICALLY IS THE NORTHERN LIMIT, AS IT'S MENTIONED MALABAR ROAD THREE WITH THE CITY'S COMPOUND AREA, WHICH WE TALK ABOUT, WHICH IS UNITS FIFTY TWO FIFTY THREE FIFTY FOUR, THEN THE SOUTHERN LIMIT IS, OF COURSE, BABCOCK STREET SHOWN ON THE MAP HERE.
UH, THE ALTERNATIVE EVALUATION IS THE PRECURSOR TO WHAT THEY CALL THE PTSD STUDY UNDER THE FPTP PROCESS, ESTABLISHES THE PROJECT'S PURPOSE AND NEED.
IT DEFINES THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROJECT AREA AS IT TURNS ON LAND SUITABILITY IN ANY RESOURCE MAPPING. IT PROPOSES IMPROVEMENTS TO BE ADDRESSED IN THE PROJECT NEEDS IDENTIFIES ANY ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
IT REALLY EVALUATES ENGINEERING FEASIBILITY STUDIES.
IN THIS, THE KICKER REALLY INTENDED TO IDENTIFY ANY FATAL FLAWS.
SO THERE ARE ANY FATAL FLAWS, SUCH AS WHO KNOWS WHAT SOME ENDANGERED SPECIES INDIAN BEAR GRYLLS TRULY WILL STOP A PROJECT.
WHY? WHY INVEST ANY MORE MONEY INTO A PD OR ANYTHING? IF YOU KNOW THERE'S A FATAL FLAW THAT WAS OVER ON CORRIDOR ANALYSIS, WHAT'S TO SAY? WAS THERE ANY FATAL FORCE TO EVEN ATTEMPT TO MOVE FORWARD? THAT WAS AN INITIAL SENSE FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT, AGENCY COORDINATION AND, OF COURSE, DOCUMENTATION OF THE ENTIRE PROCESS. AND THEN THE GOAL IS TO HAVE THIS POTENTIAL TO BE EVALUATED IN THE FUTURE PD AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THE CURRENT PD IS NOT FUNDED PROJECTS ONLY FUNDED FOR THE STUDY.
AND ON THIS IS THE EXISTING PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT AREAS.
THIS IS JUST TO SHOW YOU WHAT'S BEEN APPROVED AS YOU SEE ALL THESE DIFFERENT COLORS AND ALL THESE DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS.
THE MORE THAT YOU WANT TO HIGHLIGHT IS IN THE VERY NORTH, A PROPORTION BY MALABAR ROAD, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE CHAPARRAL, YOU HAVE ALL THOSE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE BEING MOVING FORWARD, INCLUDING ST.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT'S ALL UP IN THE NORTHERN AREA WHERE IT TIES INTO THE ST.
JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY. AND THEN YOU GO ALL THE WAY TO THE SOUTH, TO THE OTHER END OF THE PARKWAY. OF COURSE, YOU HAVE THE WATER STONE DEVELOPMENTS OUT THERE, LIKE THE GARDEN, CYPRESS BAY, WEST, CYPRESS BAY EAST, AND THEN YOU HAVE ROLLING MEADOWS AND ALL THESE OTHER ONES. SO THOSE ARE JUST AS YOU CAN SEE, ALL THE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS THAT ARE BEING
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OUT THERE THAT THE CITY IS HAS MANY DEVELOPMENTS HAPPENING, BOTH IN THE NORTHERN PART AND THE SOUTHERN PART. UH, THE OVERALL PROCESS THEY USE IS LIKE ANY TRAFFIC, A STUDY, THEY USE A TRAVEL DEMAND MODELING THAT'S IT'S AN INFRASTRUCTURE CONSIDERATION TO IDENTIFY WHAT IS POTENTIAL FOR A REGIONAL CORRIDOR, FOR AN EAST WEST CONNECTION, AS WELL AS FOR ANY POTENTIAL FUTURE PHASES COMING INTO AS WE TALKED JUST RECENTLY ABOUT.YOU WANT TO HAVE A STUB OUT THAT MAYBE CONNECTS TO ONE OF THE LOCAL ROADS.
SO THOSE ARE ALL LOOKED AT A FUTURE LAND USE CONSIDERATIONS AND TURN THE TIMINGS OF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS. WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO BE BUILT OUT LIKE? WATER RIGHT NOW IS MOVING FORWARD, BUT THERE COULD BE SOME OTHER ONES FUTURE POTENTIAL PLANS FOR THE COMPOUND AREA.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU LOOKED AT.
AND AGAIN, THE TRAVEL DEMAND MODELING USES THE BASELINE EXISTING ADT THAT IS BUILT OUT FOR A FUTURE CONDITION.
AGAIN, THIS SHOWS YOU CURRENTLY THE ADT, I THINK THIS IS OF LAST YEAR, SO THIS IS OF TWENTY TWENTY ONE. THESE ARE THE VOLUMES YOU COULD SEE.
SO IT KIND OF GIVES YOU A BIG PICTURE WHERE THE VOLUMES ARE ON OUR MAJOR COLLECTORS AND ARTERIALS. AND THIS LIST, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING UP THERE ON OUR 80S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE A CITY THAT'S WHAT NOW ALMOST A HUNDRED AND TWENTY FIVE THOUSAND.
SO WE'RE PUSHING THE LIMITS ON THE CAPACITIES OF OUR ROADWAYS JUST TO LOOK AT CITY WIDE.
AGAIN, THIS IS AN ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT, AND SO THERE'S ENVIRONMENTAL ASSUMPTIONS PUT INTO IT. YOU ASSUME UNIFORMITY, QUALITY OF ALL SPECIES.
IN OTHER WORDS, INSTEAD OF TRYING TO PICK AND CHOOSE A LITTLE AREA, YOU JUST LOOK AT AN OVERALL UNIFORM TENSIONS THAT HAVE CHARACTER SO CHARACTERIZED AS AN EASY WAY TO ASSUME FATAL FLAWS. THERE'S THAT OUT THERE.
AGAIN, YOU'RE SEEING PRESENCE OF LISTED SPECIES WITHIN THE SUITABLE HABITAT.
I ASSUME UNIFORM DISTRIBUTION OF LISTED SPECIES WITHIN THE SUITABLE HABITAT ASSUME UNIFORM WATER QUALITY AND ASSUME UNIFORM CONTAMINATION LEVELS.
IF THERE'S ANY CONTAMINATION TYPICALLY IN THAT AREA, THERE'S GOING TO BE AGRICULTURAL.
NOW THAT THEY'RE OUT THERE, MAYBE SOME ILLEGAL DUMPING.
AND IF THERE'S SOME, YOU KNOW, AGRICULTURAL THAT COULD HAVE BEEN SOME STORAGE OF CHEMICALS BEING OLD FARM GUY THAT HAPPENED BACK IN THE OLD DAYS.
SO THOSE ARE IDENTIFIED AND PUT INTO.
WE TALKED ABOUT WETLANDS, SO JUST HIGHLIGHTED THE WETLANDS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE STRADDLING RIGHT NEXT TO THE ST. JOHNS RIVER, SO YOU CAN SEE THAT ON GREEN THAT'S ALONG THE ENTIRE WESTERN BOUNDARY.
SO THAT'S WHY YOU WANT TO TRY TO PUSH THAT ALIGNMENT AS FAR EAST AS POSSIBLE.
BECAUSE WHERE AS YOU GET CLOSER TO THAT WETLANDS, YOU HAVE ALL THOSE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES THAT ARE CHALLENGES THAT YOU'RE GOING HAVE TO DEAL WITH WITH THE STATE AND ENVIRONMENTALISTS. SO TRY TO STAY AWAY FROM THAT GREEN AREA.
SO THAT MEANS IT LOOKS LIKE YOU TRY TO STRADDLE RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE COMPOUND.
THOSE ARE THE BIG PICTURE ITEMS. NOW HERE IS THE ACTUAL FIVE CORRIDORS OF FIVE ALIGNMENTS THAT CAME OUT OF THE STUDY.
YOU KNOW, THE STUDY STILL IS STILL MOVING FORWARD.
THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING, I THINK, MARCH OR APRIL.
THESE FIVE CORRIDORS WILL BE PRESENTED IN A PUBLIC FORMAT AND THEN A FINAL PREFERRED CALL AT A FINAL PREFERRED CORRIDOR WILL BE SELECTED.
AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A CORRIDOR, SO WE'RE TALKING LIKE A TWO HUNDRED FOOT BAND.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? SO IT'S NOT LIKE A PDA STUDY WHERE THERE'S AN ACTUAL ALIGNMENT AND A CROSS SECTION THAT SAYS, HERE'S ONE HUNDRED FOOT CROSS SECTION.
HERE'S THE ACTUAL LINE THAT IT FOLLOWS.
THIS IS LOOKING AT JUST BIG BANDWIDTH.
SO THOSE ARE THE CORRIDORS ARE SHOWN.
THEY ALL TIE BACK UP TO THE NORTHERN PART OF ST.
JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY, WHERE TEES OFF RIGHT NOW, THEY ALL TIE BACK TO WHAT WE CALL IT NOW THE JOURNEY EXTENSION DOWN BY WATER, WATERSTON.
IT KIND OF MOVES AROUND LIKE ANY SPAGHETTI MODELING, BUT THIS IS AS GOOD AS IT GETS FOR THE FIVE CORRIDORS.
AND THIS GOT BEAT UP BY NUMEROUS TECHNICAL PEOPLE, WENT THROUGH A WHOLE PROCESS AND WENT THROUGH AN INITIAL PUBLIC OUTREACH THAT WAS BACK LAST YEAR.
AND THIS WILL COME BACK AS A FINAL PUBLIC HEARING LIKE SOMETIME IN MARCH OR APRIL.
AND HERE'S THE SCHEDULE RIGHT NOW, AND IT SHOWS THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE MARCH AND APRIL. AND SO THAT'S WHEN THEY'LL HAVE, YOU KNOW, SORRY, MATE, LOOKS LIKE IT'S ME, SO WE MAY OR JUNE, THEY'LL HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS, THIS REPORT.
AND THEN SOON AFTER THAT, THEY'LL TAKE ALL THE COMMENTS AND THEY'LL PACKAGE IT UP AS A FINAL REPORT. AND THERE IS NO REAL FATAL FLAW.
SO THIS PROJECT WILL KEEP MOVING FORWARD AND THEY'LL CLOSE THE PROJECT OUT WITH A PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE.
THAT I'M IN THE PATH MOVING FORWARD TO CONTINUE RECEIVING PUBLIC COMMENTS, COORDINATE WITH THE LOCAL AGENCIES AND STAKEHOLDERS, CONTINUE WITH THE ETD, WHICH IS THE EFFICIENT TRANSPORTATION DECISION MAKING PROCESS.
WE'VE REDEFINED THE CORRIDOR AS NEEDED.
SELECT VARIABLE CORRIDORS AS NEEDED AND HOLD THE SECOND PUBLIC MEETING, WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO BE, LIKE I SAID, EITHER IN MAY OR JUNE OF TWENTY TWENTY TWO.
AND AGAIN, THE ENTIRE PROCESS.
THERE IS NO. NO BUILDER OPTION IS STILL VIABLE.
IN OTHER WORDS, A PROJECT MAY NOT MOVE FORWARD AS A NO BILL BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE A VIABLE OPTION.
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WITH THAT, I THINK THIS IS THE END, THIS IS A COUNTY LED PROJECT FUNDED WITH THE STATE.SO THE ACTUAL COUNTY PM IS JEANETTE SCOTT AND THEN THE CONSULTANT IS DAVID DANGO FROM INWOOD. THAT I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
AVERAGE DAILY TRAFFIC, ANNUAL AVERAGE DAILY TRAFFIC A.
AND. UH, DESOLATE, YOU KNOW, AND I HAVE IT IN MY HEAD, BUT.
YEAH. PORTION OF MALABAR ROAD, RIGHT, HE'S TALKING ABOUT, WHICH IS ONLY A TWO LANE ROADWAY, WHICH IS AT 45 MILES PER HOUR, WHICH ACTUALLY REDUCES DOWN TO THIRTY FIVE MILES PER HOUR, RIGHT BY THE WALGREENS AND BY THE MCDONALDS.
THE REAL CAPACITY, I BELIEVE, FOR A TWO LANE ROADWAY AT FORTY FIVE, 17, THREE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY. GUESS WHAT, OVERCAPACITY? WHERE IF WE HAVE RIGHT AWAY ISSUES ALONG THAT STRETCH, YEAH, RIGHT AWAY.
AND WE'RE TALKING TO THE TPO, YOU KNOW THIS THIS AND I'LL BE GOING INTO.
THIS IS A GOOD PRELUDE INTO OUR NEXT ONE, WHICH IS THE PD NEED FOR THE MALIBU.
JUST LET YOU KNOW. AND I THINK MAYBE WE SHOULD WAIT TILL WE DO THAT, AND I'LL ANSWER SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS JUST TO LEAD INTO THE.
WHERE DO WE WANT TO GO WITH THE MALABAR PROJECT AND THEN MAYBE ADDRESS THAT WITH THAT PROJECT? A BAR BETWEEN OH, OK, YEAH, HE'S GOT HIS TWENTY THOUSAND TEN SHOWS, RIGHT? THE OTHER QUESTIONS. NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT SECTION OF BABCOCK'S.
A. YEAH, BUT THAT'S A GOOD ONE.
WE'LL LET HIM FINISH HIS PRESENTATION WHEN HE SAYS IT'S DONE, WE'LL.
OK. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? MR BETT. WHEN I WAS TENDING SOME MORE PUBLIC MEETINGS FOR SOME NEW PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENTS COMING IN THAT ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF GARVEY, THERE ARE SOME BIG ONES COMING IN 200 ACRE ONES COMING IN WHERE THEY'RE CHANGING INDUSTRIAL LAND INTO INTO PLAN INTO PUDDY, REQUESTING PART OF THE PIPELINES WE'RE LOOKING AT.
WAS IT WAS THESE DEVELOPMENTS WERE UNDER CONTINGENCY THAT SAYS THAT THEY WILL CONNECT TO THE ST. JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY WHEN IT COMES IN.
SO IF THEY'RE NOW CONSIDERING NOT BUILDING THE ST.
JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY UNDER THE DOMINO EFFECT.
SOMETHING SHOULD NOT PROCEED OR EVERYTHING SHOULD PROCEED, BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU'RE GOING TO END UP WHERE WE PLANNED AND BUILT AND NOW WE HAVE NO ACCESS IN OR OUT.
OTHER THAN GOING DOWN LOCAL ROADS WHICH WERE NOT NOT DESIGNED FOR THESE BIG, BIG DEVELOPMENTS COMING IN, I'M TALKING WHEN YOU'RE TALKING 200 ACRE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENTS, THAT'S BIG.
YOU KNOW, THEY ARE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING, THEY'RE SPREAD OUT AND THEY ARE GOING TO BE TRYING TO PAY GARVEY ROAD.
BUT PART OF THAT IN THEIR WRITE UP IS THE FACT THAT THEY WILL THEN BE CONNECTING TO ST.
JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY TO THE WEST OF THEM SO THAT ALL TRAFFIC DOES NOT HAVE TO GO EAST IN ORDER TO GO NORTH.
OK, THANK YOU. ANYTHING FROM THE BOARD QUESTIONS.
WANT TO UPDATE ON THE MALABAR ROAD PG&E? THE SECOND TO LOAD THE PRESENTATION.
AGAIN, THANK YOU, FRANK WATANABE, THE CITY ENGINEER.
NOW WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE MALABAR PROJECT DEVELOPMENT, AN ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY SHOWN ON THE SCREEN. THE PROJECT LIMIT IS MALABAR ROAD BETWEEN ST JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY, MINTON ROAD.
IT'S ABOUT FOUR MILES IN LENGTH JUST TO LET YOU KNOW TWO THIRDS IS IN THE CITY.
ONE THIRDS IN THE COUNTY COUNTY SECTION STARTS AT SEATON CANAL.
AND THE OVERALL PROJECT RIGHT NOW, THE PROJECT IS FUNDED THROUGH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WHO HAVE NOT. SO IT'S CONSIDERED A LOCAL AGENCY PROGRAM, A LAP.
IT'S A FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECT TO SEE UPON BAY IS ADMINISTERING IT BECAUSE WE ARE LAB CERTIFIED. I AM LAB CERTIFIED.
SO THE CITY CAN THEN MANAGE A FEDERALLY FUNDED CONTRACT.
EVERYTHING HAS TO BE APPROVED AND REVIEWED THROUGH FDA, WHICH IS A PROCESS GOING THROUGH.
THE OVERALL PD NEED PROCESS SHOWS YOU JUST THESE BOXES AND HOW IT ESTABLISHES PURPOSE AND NEED TDM DATA COLLECTION, TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, ALTERNATIVE DEVELOPMENT, ALTERNATIVE
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DEVELOPMENT. FIND EVEN THE ENGINEERING ENVIRONMENTAL ANALYSIS.WE'RE PRETTY MUCH RIGHT NOW AT THIS.
WE'RE HERE, WE ARE WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE TYPE TO SEE WHICH IS A CATEGORY EXEMPT.
THEY'RE FINALIZING THE REPORTS.
BASICALLY, ALL THIS LED TO ALL THESE DIFFERENT REPORTS CULTURE RESOURCES REPORTS, ENVIRONMENTAL REPORTS, TRAFFIC REPORTS, DRAINAGE REPORTS, POND ANALYSIS, ALL PACKAGED THEM ALL BEEN FORWARDED UP TO FDA.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR CONSULTANT AND MYSELF AND REVIEWING THE DOCUMENTS SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE PRETTY MUCH GOTTEN TO LIKE A LIKE A 90 PERCENT ALMOST TOWARDS THE END OF THE FDA REVIEWS.
THE CHALLENGE IS GOING TO BE THAT CHALLENGE IS GOING TO BE EVEN THOUGH FDA HAS REVIEWED EVERYTHING AND WE'RE READY TO GO PUBLIC HEARING.
WE CANNOT MOVE INTO PUBLIC HEARING UNLESS WE HAVE PLANNING CONSISTENCY.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IT MEANS WE HAVE TO HAVE THE DESIGN PHASE FULLY FUNDED THE FDA OR THE OFFICE OF EMERGENCY.
SORRY, THE OFFICE OF ENVIRONMENTAL MANAGEMENT WILL NOT REVIEW ANY OF THE REPORTS AND WILL NOT SIGN OFF ON IT.
THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED TO THE BABCOCK PD.
THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED TO MALABAR PD.
I WENT TO A LOT OF THE POLICE BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T FUND THE DESIGN.
IT STOPS WHAT THEY CALL PLANNING CONSISTENCY, AND I'LL EXPLAIN WHERE WE SIT RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE LOOKING BETTER, YOU GUYS.
WE'RE ALMOST CLOSE TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT YOU THE APPROVAL PROCESS AND WHERE WE'RE HEADED.
OFFICIAL COMPLETION DATE WAS LAST DECEMBER, THE COMPLETION DATE WITH AN EXPANSION APPROVED BY BY THE FEDS.
IS THIS COMING DECEMBER, DECEMBER 2020? JUST TO HIGHLIGHT AGAIN, THE PURPOSE OF NEED, GENERAL SENSE.
THERE'S A TRANSPORTATION DEMAND SAFETY, MULTIMODAL ENHANCEMENT SYSTEM LINKAGES, PLANNING CONSISTENCY AS BOTTOM SEE, THE CORRIDOR IS NEEDED.
WE ALL KNOW THAT IT NEEDS TO BE FOR.
AND HERE'S HERE'S A SHORT NUTSHELL OF THE 80 VOLUMES WHEN THIS WAS DONE.
THESE NUMBERS WERE DONE ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO, SO IT BOUNCES AROUND, BUT IT'S STILL HOLDS SO YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, AT THE FAR, FAR SOUTHERN END, THE VOLUMES ARE QUITE LOW.
WE'RE LOOKING AT TWENTY TWENTY, NOT THE TWENTY TWENTY TWENTY FIFTY.
QUITE LOW, BUT AS YOU GET CLOSER TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, MINCHEN ROW, IT JUMPS UP, YOU KNOW, THIS ONE SHOWS THAT A 16 AND THEN JUST PAST MINTON ROAD IS TWENTY THREE.
SO THE NEW TPO NEVER SHOWS IT RIGHT NOW AT ABOUT 20 AND AGAIN UNDER THE FEDERAL UNDER THE FDOT GENERALIZED TABLE, A TWO LANE ROADWAY AT FORTY FIVE MILES PER HOUR.
I BELIEVE IT'S SEVENTY SEVENTEEN, THIRTY THREE HUNDRED OR SEVENTEEN SIX HUNDRED IS CAPACITY WHAT THEY CALL THE GENERAL TABLES.
IF THAT'S THE CASE FOR THIS ONE SHOWS WE'RE SLIGHTLY UNDER, BUT THE ONE WE SAW THROUGH THE TPO HAD IT AT TWENTY THOUSAND.
THAT MEANS WE'RE OVER. AND THE LATEST COUNT WE DID, WE DID A COUNT SIX MONTHS AGO JUST BY GAVI. THAT'S TWENTY THOUSAND.
AND THAT. NOW, THE SPEED LIMIT WAS POSTED BASED ON WAS REASONABLE AND EXISTING CONDITIONS. YOU CANNOT THEN FORCE A SPEED LIMIT.
IT'S BASED ON IT'S BASED ON A REASONABLE SPEED OF THE CONDITION OF THE ROADWAY.
EVEN THOUGH THERE MAY BE A SAFETY ISSUE, YOU COULD PUT UP A WARNING SIGN.
IF YOU HAVE A CURB, YOU HAVE A DIP OR SOMETHING YOU CAN'T SEE.
YOU COULD PUT UP AN ADVISORY WARNING SIGN BLACK ON YELLOW, BUT A BLACK AND WHITE, WHICH IS A REGULATORY SIGN, HAS TO BE ENFORCED THROUGH AN ENGINEERING STUDY THAT SAYS IT'S A REASONABLE AND SAFE SPEED.
THE FLORIDA STATUTE I CANNOT REDUCE IT JUST BECAUSE WE WANT TO HAVE MORE CAPACITY THAT DOESN'T CUT IT. I KNOW I'M THE ENGINEER I GOT FOLLOWING FLORIDA STATUTE.
SO GOOD. GOOD TRY AGAIN, THE SAFETY NUMBERS, AS YOU CAN SEE IT, JUMPS UP THERE AND CRASHES, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S LIKE ANY STATISTICAL ANALYSIS, DID YOU GET THAT MANY ROADWAYS GET THAT MANY SORRY, THAT MANY VOLUME AND THAT MANY CONFLICT POINTS, CONFLICT POINTS IN FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, TRAFFIC ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, YOU KNOW, PEDESTRIAN CROSSING THE STREET BLOCK AREAS, CONFLICT POINTS, CHANCES TO HAVE ACCIDENTS INCREASES.
THE NUMBERS INCREASE. ROLL THE DICE.
BOTTOM LINE, HERE'S A TYPICAL SECTION THE FAR YOU CAN SEE IN THE FAR WESTERN SECTION, WE NEED TO HAVE A TOTAL RIGHT AWAY OF ONE OR TWO, BUT AS YOU GET CLOSER TOWARDS MITTON, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU NEED ONE OH, FIVE THREE MORE FEET.
OH, WELL, A LOT OF THIS BECAUSE OVER BY THE BY THE MITTEN SECTION, YOU HAD THE SEE 20 CANAL. AND SO REALLY EVERYTHING, AS YOU KNOW, FROM THIS POINT, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO PRETTY MUCH PAST JUPITER BECAUSE OF THE SEA 20 CANAL, THE RIGHT WAY WILL BE TO THE SOUTH.
THIS IS WE'RE NOT TOUCHING THAT CANAL.
VERY LARGE, VERY REGIONAL WATER SOURCE.
SO THE WHITE WALL HERE ON THE WEST, ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
THAT'S WHAT THIS SHOW IS. IT SHOWS A FOUR LANE ROAD.
WHAT WE DID PROMOTE IS BECAUSE WE HAVE A FULL BIKE PATH, A 10 FOOT SHARED BIKE PATH, WHAT THEY CALL A SHARED USE PATH.
WE'RE NOT INSTALLING BICYCLE LANES ON THE ROADWAY.
PEOPLE SAY, WELL, YOU'RE NOT BEING MULTIMODAL.
WELL, WE'RE TRYING TO BE MULTIMODAL.
AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE TRYING TO BE ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE.
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MORE IMPERVIOUS AREA DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.TODAY WE TRY TO TIGHTEN ROADS AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
THE GREEN WAY OF THINKING IS, YOU KNOW, LESS PAVEMENT, BETTER IT IS.
SO WE PUT THE BIKES AND KIND OF ON A SHARED PATH YOU USE, WHICH I THINK IS A LOT SAFER.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE TREND IS MORE AND MORE AND NOT TO HAVE THEM ON THE ROADWAYS, BUT TO HAVE THEM ON A SHARED PATH USE THAT IS SEPARATED.
THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
THEY SHARE WITH THE PEDESTRIANS AND THEY SHARE IT WITH THE PEDESTRIANS.
AND THAT'S A SMARTER WAY TO DO IT.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE. SO THIS KIND OF NEWER THINKING THAT TO HAVE A BIKE.
I MEAN, TWO SIDEWALKS, A BIKE LANE AND THEN THE FOUR LANES.
SO YOU HAVE ALL THAT ADDITIONAL IMPERVIOUS AREA.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO CUT THAT OUT.
THE BOTTOM LINE HERE IS THE PROJECT COST, AND THIS IS WHAT YOU GUYS NEED TO LOOK AT TOTAL DESIGN COST AND PLANNING CONSISTENCY, WE HAVE TO HAVE THE TOTAL DESIGN COST FULLY FUNDED 10 MILLION DOLLARS JUST TO LET YOU KNOW.
LAST THURSDAY AGAIN LAST THURSDAY, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED $7 MILLION OF TIFF.
PRIVATE. THIS IS PUTTING THE MONEY IN RIGHT NOW.
$7 MILLION A TIFF, MONEY GOT PUT INTO THIS PROJECT AND I SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION CALL FOR PROJECTS TO THE TPO, SO THAT'S GOING TO WAKE UP AFTER WE'RE GOING TO PONY UP SEVEN MILLION DOLLARS. I THINK SOMEONE'S GOING TO HELP MAYBE FILL IN THE REST OF THE GAP.
BUT THE OVERALL REST OF THE PROJECT, INCLUDING RIGHT AWAY ACQUISITION, IS THAT RIGHT AWAY ACQUISITION DOES INCLUDE PONDS AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT NEEDS THIS.
TOTAL CONSTRUCTION COSTS RS SEVENTY ONE THOUSAND SEVENTY ONE MILLION OVERALL CONSTRUCTION COSTS. THAT INCLUDES THE DESIGN RIGHT AWAY NINETY SIX POINT FOUR MILLION.
THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE, DO A FOUR LANE WIDENING.
THAT'S A LOT. TEN MILLION DOLLARS JUST TO DESIGN IT.
THAT'S AN EYE OPENER. BOTTOM LINE, HERE ARE ALL THE ENGINEERING FACTORS AGAIN, A LITTLE SERVICE AND WE'RE BOUNCING AROUND HERE AND THERE.
BUT AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, AS YOU GET CLOSE TO ADMITTING ROADS, YOU KNOW YOUR CAPACITY IS IS NOT SO GOOD.
THIS ONE BASICALLY SPLITS THE ANALYSIS BETWEEN SIGNALS AND ROUNDABOUTS.
THE STUDY DOES LOOK AT TWO ROUNDABOUTS WITHIN THE CITY.
THE CITY HAS I MEAN, THE PROJECT DOES HAVE ROUNDABOUTS AT THE ST.
JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY AND MALABAR.
IT DOES HAVE OTHER ONES IN THE COUNTY, THE TWO IN THE CITY.
ONE IS AT HEYWOOD AND THE OTHER ONE IS AT GARVIE, EITHER.
OH, SORRY. NO, IT WAS. IT WAS.
MY APOLOGIES. GABI WAS WAS A TENTATIVE.
IT'S MAYWOOD AND THE OTHER ONE IS FARTHER SOUTH JUST BY.
ONE OF THE DEVELOPMENTS BY THE FIRST CANAL BY HURLEY OVER THERE, THOSE ARE THE TWO TO LOOK AS AS THERE IS AS OPTIONS ONCE IT GOES INTO PUBLIC HEARING AND AS WE KNOW, THE COUNCIL WAS NOT TOO SUPPORTIVE OF ROUNDABOUTS.
IF THE. WELL, IF THE DIRECTION IS NO ROUNDABOUT THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED AND THEN THE PLANS WILL BE CHANGED. BUT THIS FROM A TECHNICAL STANDPOINT, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT.
SO AS IT GOES INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING AND IN THE PUBLIC HEARING, THE VOICE WAS IS OR WHATEVER IS GOING TO BE. NO ROUNDABOUTS AND THEN HAVE BEEN THE REPORT AND THE DOCUMENTS WILL BE REVISED TO MEET PUBLIC COMMENTS.
WITH THAT, AGAIN, HERE'S THE SCHEDULE, THE REVISED NEW SCHEDULE, WE'LL HAVE A QUICK QUESTION, FRANK, JUST WHAT LSD AND LSD? AND THE LEVEL OF SERVICE IS LIKE YOUR SCHOOL GRADE EIGHT IS GOOD, FREE FLOWING.
THAT'S ALL IT IS, LIKE A LETTER GRADE IN SCHOOL, BUT THEY USE THAT FOR ROADWAYS.
THE LEVEL OF SERVICE CAPACITY.
AGAIN, SCHEDULE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PUBLIC HERE IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR, AND THEN SOON AFTER THAT PUBLIC HEARING OF THE FINALIZED DOCUMENTS, THIS IS AGAIN, IF WE CONTINUE, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE WILL BECAUSE NOW THE CITY PONIED UP SEVEN MILLION DOLLARS.
WE'LL HOPE IF THAT WILL THEN MATCH IT TO GET THE 10 MILLION DOLLARS.
THE OFFICE OF ENVIRONMENTAL MANAGEMENT WOULD THEN BLESS OUR DOCUMENTS, GO TO PUBLIC HEARING. WE ARE THEN INTO DESIGN.
IT WORRIES WE TERMINATE THIS CONTRACT, AND IF THAT MOVES FORWARD SOMETIME AFTER FEBRUARY, MAYBE IN JULY, BEFORE WITH THE DESIGN.
WITH THAT AGAIN, THE CONTACT INFORMATION, JACK FREEMAN, HE'S BEEN SUPERB FROM KITTLESON.
HE IS THE EXPERT IMPEDING REPORTS.
MY PERSONAL OPINION, I'VE BEEN WITH KITTLESON AND HE'S DONE A LOT OF EFFORTS.
HE'S OUR MAIN PROJECT MANAGER AND THEN I'M THE PROJECT MANAGER WITH THE CITY.
AND THEN TO ADDRESS YOUR CONCERN ABOUT MALABAR ROAD AND OUR OPTIONS, WE ARE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT OPTIONS THE RIGHT OF WAY.
WE HAVE MOST OF THE RIGHT IN THE CONSTRICTED AREA, WHICH IS THIS SECTION BETWEEN PRETTY MUCH BETWEEN JUPITER MEN.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT OPTIONS, POTENTIALLY WHAT CAN WE DO AS AN INTERIM? DOES AN INTERIM CAN WE DO TO TO GET THE CAPACITY WE NEED AN INTERIM COULD BE? YOU CAN'T PUT FOUR LANES IN KIND OF PUT THREE LANES, THREE LANES, MEANING CAN I PUT ONE ADDITIONAL EASTBOUND LANES? TO LAND ALL THE WAY THROUGH TURN LANES DON'T COUNT.
GOING TO BE A THREE. AND WE PUT ANOTHER ADDITIONAL THREE LANES IF YOU DRIVE THE SECTION, PRETTY MUCH. GRIDLOCK SESSION, WILL WE LOSE CAPACITY BETWEEN MAYWOOD?
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BUT IF YOU WANT TO DO IT SMART, CAN WE GO FROM GARVIE TO MITTON? IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT IT, WE GOT MOST OF THE RIGHT WAY.THERE'S A FEW LITTLE TIGHT SPOTS.
THERE'S TWO. ONE IS A SHOPPING CENTER.
ONE IS YOUR RIGHT BETWEEN THE TWO APARTMENT COMPLEX.
YOU KNOW, WHICH HAVE MOST OF THE RIGHT WERE ALREADY TAKEN CARE OF THAT A DOABLE, FEASIBLE PROJECT AT A VERY.
I'M GOING TO HAVE TO BE REPAID THIS ROAD ANYWAY IN THE NEAR THIS YEAR OR NEXT YEAR.
SO AS AN INTERIM PROJECT, COULD THAT BE FEASIBLE? I'M TALKING TO. I'M TALKING TO OUR CONSULTANT TO SEE IF THAT'S AN OPTION THAT WE CAN BE DOING AS A TRANSITION BECAUSE HERE WE ARE.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE FACING THE PD THIS YEAR.
MAYBE START DESIGN NEXT YEAR BECAUSE THAT WOULD TAKE TWO YEARS.
SO NOW WE'RE IN TWENTY TWENTY FIVE.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY WITH BRIDLEWAY IN CONSTRUCTION, BEST OPTION.
TWENTY THIRTY TWENTY THIRTY FIVE, WHATEVER I PAY THIS YEAR IN DESIGN, THE NEXT YEAR.
AND BILL WILL BE FALLING APART IN THAT TIME FRAME.
MAKES SENSE AS AN INTERIM MAKES SENSE TO ME.
AND I THINK WHAT MAKES SENSE TO A LOT OF FROM A TECHNICAL STANDPOINT, WOULD IT BE? WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THAT AS AN OPTION.
YOU AS AN OPTION. HOMINIDS, AS YOU GET INTO THE DESIGN PHASE.
THAT PROJECT. GOTTEN SO FAR ALONG TO ALMOST COMPLETE, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THE PUBLIC COMES OUT LIKE ELEMENT IN THE WHOLE.
FINE. I THINK A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS ARE ON THE BOOKS FOR SO LONG, YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS. AND YOU GET THE NEEDS CHANGE, AND DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE MOVED IN, HAVE LEFT, ORIGINALLY REQUESTED. I THINK.
CASE, YOU CAN NEVER HAVE TOO MANY PUBLIC MEETINGS.
NOTICE EVERYBODY DOWN THE STREET AND GET THEIR INPUT AND MAKE IT EASY FOR THEM AND PUT.
REALLY DON'T WANT THE EXTRA EXPENSE HAVING TO CHANGE YOUR DESIGN AT 90.
VERY GOOD POINT, AND WE AGREE 100 PERCENT.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE DO A LOT MORE OUTREACH, A LOT MORE PUBLIC MEETINGS JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE PD IS ONLY ONE COMPONENT OF THE MALABAR CORRIDOR WE'RE WORKING ON.
WE'RE ALSO WORKING TO LOOK AT POTENTIALLY WHETHER SHOULD THIS ALL BE A CITY PROJECT, NOT A COUNTY PROJECT. ONE THIRD OF IT'S IN THE COUNTY, TWO THIRDS IN THE CITY.
IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR THE ENTIRE ROAD TO BE IN THE CITY.
NOBODY DOES. AGAIN, IS IT FOR THE BENEFIT FOR THE REGION? YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING. YOU CAN LOOK AT THE BENEFIT FOR THE REGION.
I BELIEVE THE CITY WILL BENEFIT MORE THAN ANYBODY ELSE.
THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO GET IT IN AND OUT WHERE CONSTRAINT ON CORRIDORS.
AND BECAUSE OF THAT, THE TPO DID FUND THE TPO DID FUND THIS YEAR WAS DESIGNING SEVEN.
THEY GAVE A $700000 TO DESIGN OUR ITS CORRIDOR.
THIS WILL LET YOU KNOW OUR TRAFFIC SIGNALS ON MALABAR ROAD ARE NOT IN ANY WAY COORDINATED. THEY'RE NOT CONNECTED.
THEY DON'T. THEY'RE NOT LINKED IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FASHION.
I'M DOING THE FIRST ONE CONNECTING WITH THE NEW CROWNE PLAZA, AND I GOT IT SINK IN RIGHT NOW USING SYNCHRO WITH EMERSON, NEW CROWNE PLAZA AND WALMART.
AND CAN I CONNECT IT ALL THE WAY DOWN? SANFILIPPO? YES. CAN I CONNECT IT ALL THE WAY TO THE OTHER END? YES. JUST NEEDS TO HAVE THE COMMUNICATION SYSTEM.
IF THAT IS FUNDING TO DESIGN AS SOON AFTER THEY'VE DONE THE DESIGN, PEOPLE WOULD HAS HINTED THAT THEY'LL PAY FOR THE CONSTRUCTION.
THIS WILL BE A SMART CORRIDOR.
WE NEED TO HAVE THIS BECAUSE IT'S NOT ONLY JUST A REGIONAL ROUTE, IT'S A HURRICANE ROUTE.
IT'S AN EMERGENCY EVACUATION ROUTE.
WHEN I-95 JAMS UP COULD JUMP ON MALABAR ROAD.
WE NEED TO HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO HAVE CAMERAS, CHANGEABLE MESSAGE SIGNS, INFORMATIONAL SIGNS THAT DIVERTS TRAFFIC THE SMART WAY.
SAME TIME, I'M ALSO INTO MAKING SURE THAT THIS IS A BETTER TRANSIT.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE WITH THE ITS COMPONENTS THAT WE HAVE ADDITIONAL TRANSIT UP AND DOWN THIS ROADWAY, SO DOES THAT MEAN COORDINATE WITH SCAT AND HAVING MORE BUS STOPS? YEAH. BETTER BUS STOPS A POTENTIAL TO HAVE THE BUSSES IN THEIR OWN LITTLE POCKETS WHERE I COME FROM. THE ONLY WAY TRANSIT SURVIVES IS THEY HAVE WHAT THEY CALL THE RIGHT TURN LANE.
THEY MAKE THEM INTO QUEUE JUMPERS, BUSSES, PULLING TO THE RIGHT TURN LANE.
THERE SHOULD BE A BUS STOP SHELTERS THERE.
THE GREEN LIGHT COMES ON ONLY FOR THE BUS.
BUS TAKES OFF AHEAD OF THE GROUP.
THAT'S THE GROUP STILL STAYS RED.
IT GETS BEST. THEY CALL THEM QUEUE JUMPERS.
THE BUS GETS AHEAD OF THE GROUP AGAIN, GETS IT BACK IN THE SINK SCHEDULE.
I LIKE THAT HERE, JUST ON THE MALABAR CORRIDOR, JUST ENCOURAGE TRANSIT USE, YOU KNOW, FOR SURE. YOU GET ON A BUS, GET TO A DESTINATION FASTER THAN THE CAR.
I THINK PEOPLE WILL TAKE THE TRANSIT.
YOU KNOW, THIS CORRIDOR WILL START GETTING GRADED UP.
THEY START SEEING A BUS THAT'S ABLE TO JUMP IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY ELSE.
PEOPLE GET SMART, ESPECIALLY IF YOU GOING TO DO A SHORT RIDE FROM, SAY, THEIR HOME DOWN TO THE WAL-MART AND BACK.
THEY KNOW IF THEY GET TO A TRANSIT BUS IS GOING TO BE ON AN HOUR AND THEY GET ON THEIR CELL PHONE. THAT IS. HERE'S HERE COMES THE BUS.
IF IT'S THAT ACCURATE, THEY WILL REALLY RENT OUT.
MOST OF THE BUSSES ARE ALREADY ON A SYSTEM LIKE THAT.
WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER TO TRY TO MAKE THIS A SMART.
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A GENDER REQUEST FOR FUTURE MEETING.OF. AND DO IT TONIGHT, BUT I NEED TO GET IT ON THE AGENDA.
I WOULD LIKE TO GO IN FOR A COUNCIL AS CHAIR OF THE BOARD AND ASK FOR $3 MILLION DOLLARS OF DEDICATED FUNDING.
UP NEXT, IN THE COMING BUDGET YEARS, DEDICATED FUNDING FOR A ROAD MAINTENANCE.
ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY MILLION DOLLARS INVESTMENT TO OUR ROADS.
THREE MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR FOR THE NEXT, HOWEVER LONG, 20 YEARS OR WHATEVER.
SURE. LET'S PUT MY IDEA OUT THERE.
OH, OK. MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT THE THE CHAIR HAS MADE A REQUEST TO PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER CONSIDERING $3 MILLION FOR ROAD MAINTENANCE.
NOT NECESSARILY. NOT NECESSARILY NEXT YEAR, BUT IN THE ROAD MAINTENANCE PROGRAM.
I NEED AN AVERAGE OF, I THINK, ONE POINT FIVE TO THREE MILLION DOLLARS IN THE FIRST.
FIVE YEARS. AND THEN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, IT GETS EVEN HIGHER UP AGAIN BASED ON ROAD CONDITIONS, IF IT DETERIORATES EVEN WORSE.
BUT LET'S SEE WHERE WE SIT IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS IF THE REJUVENATION WORKS AND ONE MORE TIME, AND IT LOOKS GREAT.
BUT FOR THE FIRST FIVE YEARS, YES, IT WENT FROM, I THINK, ONE POINT FIVE TO THREE.
YOU NEED FOR NEXT YEAR, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD BE ADDRESSING IS THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE. BUT I NEED IT WAS AN INCREMENTAL PROCESS.
WE TOOK ONE MINUTE FOR THE FIRST YEAR.
I NEED TWO MILLION FOR THIS YEAR TO MAKE UP FOR SOME OF THE UNITS.
I DIDN'T COMPLETE THREE MILLION NEXT YEAR.
YOUR REJUVENATION? AND IF WE KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO.
YOU TO GO UP. GET AWAY FROM JUST GETTING THE AVERAGE.
HEATHER, HEY, LET'S GET GOT TO GET.
HERE, THIS BOARD SHOULD GO IN FRONT OF COUNCIL AND ASK BEFORE THAT APPROACH.
AND THAT IS CORRECT, YOU KNOW, GAS PRICES GOING UP.
SO PETROLEUM GOING UP, THAT MEANS ASPHALT IS GOING TO GO UP.
WE'VE BEEN FORTUNATE THAT THE LOCAL PLANTS HERE.
THEY'VE BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENT BECAUSE THEY KNOW WE HAVE A ROGUE PROGRAM.
THEY ALL WANT TO DO THE WORK HERE IN THE CITY BECAUSE IT'S CLOSE AND THEY HAVE LOCAL PLANTS. THEY THE UNIT PRICE PER TONNAGE HAS NOT JUMPED, AS I'VE SEEN IN OTHER AREAS.
IT'S INCREMENTALLY GOTTEN BIGGER WHEN WE STARTED THE PROJECT.
THE AVERAGE TON WAS NINETY SEVEN DOLLARS A TON.
RIGHT NOW, WE'RE HARVESTING ABOUT ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY DOLLARS WENT UP A LITTLE BIT, BUT NOT LIKE SOME PLACES WHERE I'VE SEEN IT CLOSE TO TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS A TON.
SO WHAT IT IS, DO WE HAVE COMPETITION HERE AND THEY ALL KNOW WE HAVE WORK HERE, SO THEY'RE KEEPING IT LOWER TO MAKE IT PALATABLE FOR EVERYBODY.
BUT DOES IT STAY THAT WAY AS AS LONG AS GAS KEEP INCREASING, OUR PRICE WILL EVENTUALLY INCREASE AS WELL AS MENTIONED, SO IT'S A CONTROLLING FACTOR.
IF GASOLINE KEEPS GOING UP TO THE POINT WHERE IT GETS TO BE, WHO KNOWS WHAT FIVE DOLLARS A GALLON THE PUMPS AS WELL, IT'S GOING TO BE EVEN HIGHER.
THAT LEADS RIGHT BACK INTO MY NEXT CLUE REQUEST, WHICH YOU TOUCHED ON WAS A PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. YOU SAID IF YOU'RE JUST GOING ON A SHORT TRIP, IT'S FINE.
BUT ON THE BUS TOW ROUTE, IF YOU'RE GOING A MILE IN ORDER TO GO SOMEPLACE, YOU RIDE IN SEVEN MILES TO GET BACK HOME AS THEY MAKE A LOOP, THERE'S NO BUS GOING THE OTHER DIRECTION THAT YOU CAN CATCH.
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT CAREFULLY GOING FORWARD IS THE NEED FOR PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION WITHIN THE CITY ITSELF.
OF. AS YOU SAID, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR THAT MORE AND MORE AS GAS PRICES REACH UP TO FIVE SIX SEVEN DOLLARS A GALLON, IF THAT'S WHERE IT GOES.
UH, AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO SHARE THAT WITH THE REGIONAL TRANSIT, WHICH IS THE SCAT.
BUT I THINK IF YOU WANT TO BRING THAT AS AN ITEM IN THE FUTURE AND HAVE I COULD HAVE TERI FROM THE SCAT DO AN UPDATE IN TERMS OF THE REST, WE WE HAD THREE ROUTES HERE IN THE CITY.
HE COULD PROVIDE AN UP THERE ON THREE ROUTES AND THEN YOU COULD ASK HIM WHAT'S THE FUTURE FOR MORE POTENTIAL ROUTES OR ADDITIONAL CONNECTIVITY ROUTES OR BETTER SERVICE ROUTES? YOU KNOW, I HONESTLY THINK, YOU KNOW, THE SQUEAKY WHEEL GETS THE GREASE.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE THE LARGEST CITY.
WE DON'T. WEEK, WE DON'T GET ANYTHING.
OR YOU CAN GET AROUND COCOA REAL WELL ON PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.
SCOUT BUSSES AND I TO SAY AND I THINK THE IT'S THE SQUEAKY WHEEL.
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SO IF YOU WANT IF YOU WANT THAT ON THE AGENDA, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ASK TERRY IF HE WANTS TO COME AND GIVE A PRESENTATION.THIS BOARD, IN TERMS OF THE STATUS OF THE CURRENT PROGRAM AND THE THREE ROUTES AND POTENTIALS FOR ANY ADDITIONAL EXPANSION ROUTES OR IF BASED ON REQUEST FROM THE BOARD, WHAT'S YOUR SUGGESTION? I'LL BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. THAT'S WHAT I LOVE TO HAVE THEM COME IN AND GIVE A PRESENTATION ABOUT THAT. SO ANYBODY WOULD OBJECT TO THAT.
SO I WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING, YOU SPOKE ABOUT MAINTENANCE OF THE ROAD, THAT'S IMPORTANT.
WHAT ABOUT SIDEWALKS WITH WHAT YOU'RE MENTIONING ABOUT FUEL COSTS GOING UP? ONE OF THE THINGS I'M STARTING TO SEE A TREND OF IS GOLF CARTS MOVING AROUND.
I THINK IT'S A NEAT IDEA AND WE SHOULD LOOK INTO THE FUTURE OF EXPANDING OUR WALKWAYS OR MAINTAINING OR WALKWAYS, OR PUTS THEM IN PLACE TO TRIM SOME OF THOSE OAK TREES THAT I SEE THAT PUSH UP ON THE WALKWAYS.
THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT. THE CITY MANAGER DID APPROVE WITH THE BUDGETS FROM THE ADDITIONAL MONEY THEY HAVE IN RESERVES.
FIFTY THOUSAND DO A KIND OF LIKE A SIDEWALK INVENTORY.
I CAN'T CALL IT A MASTER PLAN BECAUSE IT COSTS A LOT MORE.
WE HAVE AN EXISTING INVENTORY.
YOU GUYS SAW THAT. IT IS QUESTIONABLE BECAUSE YOU HAVE THESE FUTURES AND WHATEVER IT WAS ALREADY OLD WAS DONE BACK.
MAY 17, I'M DIRECTED TO GET A CONSULTANT TO HELP UPDATE THAT INVENTORY.
AND ONCE WE HAVE AN INVENTORY UPDATED, WOULD WE GO AS AS A POTENTIAL FOR A MASTER PLAN OR WHERE DO WE GO FOR CONNECTIVITY, WHERE WE WANT TO INSTALL SIDEWALKS? SO THE FIRST ISSUE WOULD BE TO HAVE A MAP.
YOU KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE. BEST PLANS, YOU GOT TO KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE, SO THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET RIGHT NOW, HOPING TO GET A CONSULTANT ON BOARD THAT INVENTORY STUDY.
OF COURSE, BRING THAT TO THE BOARD ONCE.
FROM EARLY STAGES, 50 PERCENT HAVE OPTIONS TO DO IT AND DISCUSS IT.
THAT BE YOUR TOOL MECHANISM TO SAY, WHERE DO YOU WANT TO GO WITH FUTURE? ASIDE. HAVE DO THAT PLAN, YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOU.
WHAT DO WE HAVE? QUESTION, BUT WHAT WE HAVE ON THAT.
I PRETTY MUCH KNOW WHAT WE HAVE, BUT I LIKE TO HAVE A CONSULTANT.
GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. REALLY, THIS IS THE PUBLIC PROCESS.
YOU GO TO COUNCIL BECAUSE ALL THE STUFF A NICE DOCUMENT FINALIZED THAT WAY.
THAT COULD BE SOMETHING IN THE NEAR FUTURE, BUT I WILL BE.
TWO TO THREE MONTHS BRINGING YOU UP TO DATE WITH A CONSULTANT THAT SAYS, HERE'S OUR CONSULTANT, HERE'S WHERE WE ARE WITH THIS SO-CALLED INVENTORY, YOU'LL HAVE AN.
OK. JUST TOUCH IT ON WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT DURING THE MALABAR ROAD PG&E PRESENTATION.
YOU MENTIONED THAT IT WAS 10 FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK TO ACCOUNT FOR BICYCLES.
WHY DO YOU HAVE TO BE TO ACCOUNT FOR A GOLF CART? THE 10 FOOT RULE IS THE MINIMUM FOR THEY CALL SHARED USE PATH.
TYPICALLY, THEY FOR HIGHER USES ONE.
HAVE A HIGHER DEMAND OF USE WITH BICYCLES AND PEDESTRIANS.
MAYBE OTHER MODES COULD BE GOLF COURSES.
GOLF CARTS, TYPICALLY YOU WANT 12 TO 16, BUT THE PROBLEM IS WHEN YOU GET TOO WIDE, YOU COULD START USING. SAID THEY WILL, AND IT BECOMES A CHALLENGE TO RESTRICT THAT WHEN YOU HAVE THAT BIG OF AN AREA AND FREE BECAUSE TO THE POINT WHERE YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE INTENT WAS THIS WAS TO REDUCE IMPERVIOUS AREA.
SO IF WE START ADDING, YOU KNOW, 60.
AND THE 10 FOOT WHEN WHEN JACK AND I TALKED ABOUT, WE THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE THE IDEAL CONDITION RIGHT NOW, WE'RE NOT.
HE'D SAY WE'RE NOT IN THIS AREA LIKE A COUPLE OF CALIFORNIA, AND SO THEY HAVE A BEACH AND PEOPLE EVERYWHERE.
SO, OF COURSE, THERE PASSED A LOT LARGER.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT TODAY, BUT IN THE FUTURE, MAYBE WE HAVE 10 FOOT PASS ON BOTH SIDES.
WE HAVE THE RIGHT AWAY, BUT START WITH ONE ON ONE SIDE, THE SIDEWALK.
WHY NOW? AND I DON'T THINK 10S ARE.
RIGHT, BUT OUR LOW SPEED VEHICLES PERMITTED ON THE ROADWAY.
YOU ARE CORRECT. I THINK THE MINIMUM DESIGN FOR WHAT I'VE SEEN FOR GOLF CART GOLF CARTS AND WHAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE IS A PULL OVER AREA FOR THEM TO PULL OVER AND SHARE, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN'T STILL SQUEEZE BY.
GOLF CARTS HAS TO BE RESTRICTED ON SIDEWALKS, AND I CONSIDER MOTOR VEHICLES A GRAY AREA IN THE FLORIDA STATUTE, EXCEPT UP TO THE CITY TO CREATE AN ORDINANCE.
ALLOWS US TO THEN ALLOW THE USE OF MOTORIZED GOLF.
FIREWALL, IT IS A PROCESS THAT YOU CAN'T PUT AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE.
BUT THE CURRENT FLORIDA STATUTE TO BE TESTED.
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YOU. ALL RIGHT.THAT'S AFTER YEARS, YEAH, YEAH.
AND YOU CAN'T JUST DRIVE A GOLF CART.
HE IS, MR BURTON, DID YOU HAVE DID YOU WANT TO HAVE SOME INPUT ON THIS? LAST, EXCUSE ME, BUTBUT IN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.
IT WAS LAST YEAR THE CITY DID PASS THE ORDINANCE BECAUSE.
IT'S A NEW DEVELOPMENT NOW BY S.
EMERALD LAKES. THEY WANTED TO HAVE GOLF CARTS IN IT, BUT THEY CITY DID NOT HAVE A GOLF CART ORDINANCE, SO THEY DID JUST PASS THE GOLF CART ORDINANCE.
THEY PUT, THEY PUT, THEY PUT RESTRICTIONS AND STUFF WITHIN THAT.
BUT THE CITY DID PASS THE GOLF CART ORDINANCE, WHICH YOU HAD TO HAVE A PRE-DESIGNATED.
YOU HAD TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE WERE BUILT INTO YOUR INTO YOUR INTO YOUR OVERALL PLANS.
YOU HAD TO HAVE SPECIAL CROSSINGS FOR THE GOLF CARTS, SO THEY DIDN'T COME IN IN CONTACT WITH TRAFFIC AND STUFF LIKE THIS.
BUT THE CITY DID PASS AND JUST PASSED THEIR GOLF CART ORDINANCE.
SOUNDS LIKE THEY PASSED IT WITH THE INTENT ON ANY NEW.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY PASSED WITH THE INTENT OF ONLY NEW DEVELOPMENT, SAYING YOU HAVE, LET ME ADD, JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THAT ONE.
THE ORDINANCE WAS ONLY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT HAPPENING ALONG THE PARKWAY, WHICH IS TIED INTO THE MLS.
THE ORDINANCE WAS NOT CITYWIDE.
OK, THIS ORDINANCE WAS ONLY WITHIN THIS EMERALD LAKES DEVELOPMENT AND WITH THE PWD AND THE PARKWAY PERIOD IT HAS, IT DID NOT GO CITYWIDE.
THAT ORDINANCE WAS NOT CITYWIDE.
DID SET A PRECEDENT. YES, IT DOES.
HEY. ANYTHING ELSE? NOT ALL THE MEETING ADJOURNED AT SEVEN.
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* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.