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7 P.M.. I'LL CALL THE MARCH 2022 INFRASTRUCTURE ADVISORY AND OVERSIGHT BOARD TO ORDER.
YES, SIR. CHAIRMAN TOM GORMAN.
INDIVIDUAL. DAVID JONES PRESIDENT HAS APOLOGIZED.
AND WE HAVE A NEW BOARD MEMBER, CARMEN VITALE, PRESIDENT.
THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW CARMINE.
CARMINE HAS BEEN TO SEVERAL MEETINGS IN THE PAST AND A LOT OF CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS, BUT HE PLAYED A GOOD PART WHEN WE SWITCHED FROM WASTE MANAGEMENT OVER TO REPUBLIC.
HE'S RETIRED NEW YORK SANITATION.
THE. WHAT'S YOUR TITLE ON WITH THE UNION THERE OR MINE? WELL, I WAS A SANITATION WORKER FOR ALMOST 23 YEARS.
I WAS A UNION SHOP STEWARD REPRESENTING ABOUT 110 MEN AT THE TIME IN MY DISTRICT ALONE.
AND I WAS PART OF MOST OF THE CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE CITY AND LABOR.
[ADOPTION OF MINUTES]
A MINUTES TO THE MINUTES OF.GLORY MEETING BECAUSE MARCH A.
JANUARY MEETING, MARCH, FEBRUARY.
WE DIDN'T GET A. JANUARY 24, 20.
I SECOND THAT. LUCIEN FAVRE, I SUPPOSE.
NEED TO APPROVE THE MINUTES, EVEN THOUGH WE DIDN'T HAVE A QUORUM.
SENATOR. WE HAD A QUORUM IN FEBRUARY AND JANUARY, BUT IN JANUARY WE DIDN'T HAVE A QUORUM.
FEBRUARY. READ THE FEBRUARY ONE.
FEBRUARY ONE. HOW THE JANUARY MINUTES.
RIGHT. SO WE NEED THE MOTION FOR JANUARY.
I MAKE THE MOTION I JUST MADE MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE FEBRUARY MINUTES.
THOSE IN FAVOR. I OPPOSED WHO SECOND DID.
I DIDN'T. MOVING ALONG TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO WHO'S ON NOTICE IN THE MINUTES THAT HE'S PRESENT? PRESIDENT. WE'LL MOVE ON TO MR.
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WATANABE AND HIS UPDATE ON THE ROAD MAINTENANCE PROGRAM.I APOLOGIZE. AGAIN, FRANK WATANABE.
TONIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO GO OVER THE ROAD MAINTENANCE THE ROAD MAINTENANCE PROGRAM.
AND SO WHAT I HAVE IS A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION.
AND AGAIN, I'M A FREQUENT NOB OF THE CITY ENGINEER.
WHAT'S SHOWN ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW IS BASICALLY THE TWO TYPES OF EMULSION, WHAT THEY CALL FOR REJUVENATION, THE ONE THAT IS ON THE FAR LEFT, WHICH HAS THE PINK, WHICH IS THE MULTI BASE, WHICH IS A PETROLEUM BASE.
THE ONES ON THE LEFT OF THE RIGHT, WHICH IS A WHITE CLEAR REJUVENATION, IS AND IT'S A PLANT BASE. AND SO THOSE ARE THE TWO TYPES THAT WE ARE AWARE OF AND HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE VENDORS.
BUT IN THE LAST FEW YEARS WE'VE BEEN USING THE MULTI IN WHICH IS THE PETROLEUM BASED, WHICH IS THE PINK. I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT AN OVERVIEW OF THE ROAD PROGRAM.
WE'RE GOING TO GO JUST HIGHLIGHT THE THE WHOLE REJUVENATION IS BASED ON THE ROAD BOND PAVEMENT PROGRAM. WE'LL GO OVER THE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT TECHNIQUES.
WE'LL GO OVER REJUVENATION ITSELF AND WE'LL GO OVER THE TOOLBOX.
AND THEN I'LL GO OVER THE ACTUAL MAINTENANCE PROGRAM THAT COUNCIL APPROVED TWO YEARS AGO.
JUST HIGHLIGHT AGAIN WITH OUR FIVE YEAR ROAD BOND PAVING, WE HAVE REALLY FIVE PHASES BECAUSE IT SLIPS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GET THEM DONE, BUT THEY DON'T FALL WITHIN
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THE YEAR BECAUSE OF THE CONTRACT PROCUREMENT AND GETTING A BIT OF THAT AND THEN THE CONSTRUCTION. BUT WE HAVE IT'S REALLY FIVE PHASES, BUT WE HAVE EIGHT YEARS TO CONSTRUCT.SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN OUR WE'RE IN OUR THIRD YEAR.
AND SO LIKE I SAY, WE HAVE EIGHT YEARS TO CONSTRUCT.
THAT'S PER OUR BOND. JUST TO GIVE YOU A HEADS UP, WE'VE ALREADY PULLED TO A DRAWS FROM $150 MILLION, SO WE'VE ALREADY DRAWN 100 MILLION.
AND YOU FINISH UP ONE, TWO AND THREE.
I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT. AND THEY'RE SHOWN RIGHT THERE IN THE COLORS AND YOU SEE WHAT THE TOTAL MILES OF 791 MILES.
AND I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A HEADS UP. THE SEVEN ONE 791 MILES ARE STREETS.
THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE COMPOUND, WHICH ARE UNITS 51, 52 AND 53.
THOSE ARE EXCLUDED FROM THE BOND PROGRAM.
SO WE OUR TOTAL MILES OF ROAD IS LIKE IT'S LIKE 861 MILES THAT I REPORT TO THE STATE FOR OUR TAX PURPOSES FOR THE ROAD PROGRAM IS 791, AND THAT'S BEEN SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE ROAD PROGRAM. ONE HIGHLIGHT THAT JUST ONE HIGHLIGHT IN THE MAINTENANCE PROGRAM.
TYPICALLY WHAT YOU SEE IS THAT THIS S-CURVE, IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN ANY KIND OF ROAD MAINTENANCE, WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS ON THE SCALE IS FROM FROM VERY GOOD, EXCELLENT TO VERY POOR ON THE BOTTOM. AND THEN YOU HAVE THE BOTTOM SCALE IS TIME.
SO AS TIME OCCURS, THE S-CURVE, AS YOU SEE, STARTS TO DROP DOWN.
SO WHAT YOU WANT TO TRY TO DO IS WHEN YOU'RE IN THE TOP CURVE, YOU TRY TO IMPROVE WHAT YOU CAN TO MAKE THAT ROADWAY LAST LONGER.
AND THAT'S WHERE REJUVENATION COMES FROM.
REJUVENATION IS BASICALLY ADDING MORE MALTINGS AND TRYING TO REJUVENATE IT AND MAKE IT SO IT LASTS LONGER.
SO WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS YOU SEE THAT GREEN CURVE BEING PUSHED OUT.
TYPICALLY WHAT YOU CAN DO IS, IS FOR THESE REJUVENATION AND THE EMULSIONS.
YOU COULD DO IT, THEY SAY, AT LEAST 2 TO 3 TIMES AND THEY LAST ABOUT THREE YEARS.
SO YOU CAN THEN AFTER YOU PAVE A ROAD IN THREE YEARS, REJUVENATE IT, THEN DO IT AGAIN AFTER THREE MORE YEARS AND AFTER THREE MORE YEARS.
SO YOU'VE GOT NINE YEARS OF A 20 YEAR LIFE.
SO YOU'RE RIGHT THERE. YOU'RE ALMOST 30 YEARS OF THE SAME 20 YEAR LIFE OF ROADWAY, AND THEN THERE'S OTHER TOOLS YOU COULD USE TO EVEN EXTEND THAT FURTHER.
SO THAT'S WHAT THAT CHART SHOWS.
THE NEXT CHART BASICALLY SHOWS THE OVERALL CURVE WERE AGAIN FROM THE BLUE, WHICH IS THE TOP OF THE CURVE, WHERE IF YOU TRY TO USE A REJUVENATION, AT THE TOP OF THE CURVE IS WHERE YOU WANT TO APPLY IT WITH THE ROAD IS STILL FRESH AND IT CAN BE REJUVENATED AS IT STARTS TO GO DOWN THE CURVE WITH TIME.
YOU HAVE OTHER TECHNIQUES LIKE MICRO SURFACING AND THEN AS YOU GO DOWN TOWARDS THE YELLOW, WHAT THEY CALL CP SEAL, THESE ARE ALL STILL LIQUID BASED MATERIALS THAT HAVE SOME AGGREGATE. THEN AS YOU GO FARTHER TOWARDS THAT, ALMOST A GOLD OR ORANGE, THEN YOU TALK ABOUT THIN LISTS, OVERLAYS, MILL AND PAVE, AND THEN OF COURSE INTO THE RED.
NOW YOU'VE GOT BASE PROBLEMS, SO NOW YOU'RE INTO RECONSTRUCTION PHASE.
SO THOSE ARE THE HIGHER COSTS.
SO OF THE 20 YEAR LIFE WHICH YOU WANT TO TRY TO DO IS YOU WANT TO CAPTURE A CIRCLE IN THE RED IS TO DO SOME MAINTENANCE AHEAD OF TIME.
SO THAT WAY YOU PUSH THAT CURVE OUT.
SO YOU HAVE INSTEAD OF A 20 YEAR PAYMENT LIFE, YOU HAVE A 40 YEAR PAYMENT COUNCIL APPROVED. THEN I'LL SHOW YOU TO WITH OUR SCHEDULE, THAT TYPE OF TOOLBOX, WE'VE TRY TO DO AS MUCH AS WE CAN EARLY ON.
WE GIVE IT MORE LIFE. SO THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE TO IN 20 YEARS REBUILD ROADS AGAIN.
AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH CONSISTENT IN INDUSTRY STANDARDS.
JUST TO HIGHLIGHT AGAIN WHAT IS REJUVENATION? REJUVENATION IS BASICALLY PLACING THE OIL BACK IN TO THE SYSTEM AS IT OXIDIZES IN THE OPEN SURFACE. I'M SAYING WE LOSE OIL.
SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS ADD THAT EMULSION BACK IN, WHICH IS AN ASPHALT BINDER.
RESTORES FLEXIBILITY BY A SEALANT FROM CONTAMINATION IS TYPICALLY LIKE ANY KIND OF WATER PENETRATION. IT HAS A SEAL TO IT AND IT EXTENDS THE LIFE OF THE PAVEMENT.
TYPICALLY, AS I SAID, THE RULE OF THUMB IS BETWEEN 1 TO 3 YEARS AFTER YOU PAY A BRAND NEW ROAD IS WHEN YOU WANT TO APPLY THIS REJUVENATION.
MORE AND MORE, I'VE BEEN TOLD THREE.
BUT WHEN I STARTED THE PROGRAM, THE INDUSTRY STANDARD WAS TWICE.
YOU GO ONLY REJUVENATE TWICE AND THEN YOU HAVE TO DO SOME OTHER MORE.
OR OF CHEMISTRY STYLE, LIKE A PEPSI OR MICROSOFT THING.
SO THAT HAS MORE OF A MATERIAL BASE THAN JUST A LIQUID TANKER.
THOSE ARE THE TOOLS THAT I'VE BEEN USING AND JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT WAS.
IT CAME OUT OF THE ORIGINAL PROGRAM THIS YEAR.
IN 2021, WE STARTED OUR PROGRAM, AND THAT SHOWS PHOTOGRAPHS OF REJUVENATION AND NEWNESS, 31 AND 32.
WE GO WITH A LIST THAT WE JUST DID, BUT THOSE ARE THE PICTURES THAT SHOWS THE STREETS THAT WE'VE DONE ON THE VERY FAR CORNER.
THAT'S OCEAN SPRAY. AND OUR PRESENCE HERE IS STANDING THERE WATCHING THE STREET GETTING SPRAYED. BUT ALL OF 31, 32, 41, 42 AND ONE HAVE BEEN HAS BEEN REJUVENATED.
SO ALL THE FIRST YEAR EXCEPT FOR A GROUP HAVE BEEN TAKING CARE OF, WE SPENT ABOUT ALMOST $1,000,000. I THINK IT'S $973,000, REJUVENATE ALL THE STREETS.
BUT WHAT WE HAVE IN THREE YEARS NOW, WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK AND HIT THOSE STREETS AGAIN. SECOND ROUND.
THIS ONE IS TRULY THE PHOTOGRAPH.
HAD A QUESTION ON THAT REAL QUICK.
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WHEN YOU'RE DOING THE REJUVENATION, ARE THEY DOING.BUT IS THAT WHEN THEY GO THROUGH AND SEAL THE CRACKS AND PUT, LIKE, A LAYER OF TAR IN THE CRACK? YEAH.
YOU DON'T DO THAT WITH REJUVENATION BECAUSE IT'S A IT'S ALREADY A MOTION, BASICALLY.
WHAT HAPPENS IS WE HAVE AREAS THAT WE HAVE TO DO SOME REPAIRS.
AND TYPICALLY WHAT WE DO IS WHAT THEY CALL A CRACK SEAL.
IT'S A LAUNCH TO A CRACK SEAL.
WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT AS PART OF THE WARRANTY PERIOD.
AND THEN IF WE HAVE TO COME BACK AND LET'S SAY IN ABOUT TWO YEARS WHEN SOME OF THE REFLECTIVE CRACKS MAY GET A LITTLE LARGER, AND YOU'RE GOING TO GET THAT JUST TO HIGHLIGHT WHAT WE DO. FDR, FDR HAS HAD A SUBMIT TO THE BASE.
SO WHEN YOU ADD CEMENT TO ANYTHING, OF COURSE IT GETS STIFFER.
AND AS YOU GET STIFFER, YOU PLACE AN ASPHALT SEAL ON TOP OF IT, YOU'RE GOING TO GET REFLECTIVE CRACKING. THAT'S A GUARANTEE.
I'VE HEARD OTHER PEOPLE SAY YOU'RE GOING TO GET REFLECTIVE CRACK.
WHAT HAPPENS IS IT'S LIKE SPIDER CRACKING, LIKE CAN SOAK AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T.
IT OPENS UP A LITTLE BIT, NOT A LOT.
AND AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T GO VERTICAL, NOTHING WRONG WITH IT.
THIS IS AGING IS REQUIRED TO GET THE CRACKS ARE VERY SHALLOW.
IT'S NOT PENETRATING ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE BOTTOM.
SO WE'RE GOOD. HOWEVER, IN CASES WHERE THE GAPS GET TOO LARGE, MAYBE BECAUSE THEY HAD TOO MUCH CONCRETE, MAYBE THE MIXTURE WASN'T JUST GOOD.
AND I'LL SHOW YOU AN EXAMPLE. IT'S HARD IN THIS PROCESS OF CONSTRUCTION TO BE PERFECT.
ALL SOMETIMES, SO WE MAY HAVE SOME CRACKING.
THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE WILL CRACK SOON AND WE'LL HAVE WE HOPEFULLY BY THE END OF THE ONE YEAR WARRANTY. WE CATCH THOSE.
AND IF WE DON'T SAY IN TWO YEARS, WE'LL I'LL COME BACK WITH A PROGRAM JUST TO DYSPRAXIA BECAUSE I ALREADY SEEN LOCATIONS IN 31.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? I SEE IN A COUPLE OF YEARS I'M GOING TO MONITOR IT.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT GETS A LITTLE BIT TOO LARGE FOR CRACKS.
AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND REJUVENATE ON TOP OF THAT.
SO THAT WAY REJUVENATION IS KIND OF LIKE I HATE TO SAY IT KEEPS IT IS KIND OF LIKE A PAINTING. THE ROADS, YOU KNOW, THE PARKING LOTS DO IT ALL THE TIME.
IT'S AN EMULSION. BUT IT'S BASICALLY PAINT A ROAD SURFACE.
BUT IT DOES MAKE IT IT DOES GIVE IT COVER AND IT DOES SEAL IT.
AND I THINK PEOPLE LIKE THE ESTHETICS OF THE ROAD.
THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO AGAIN WITH THE REJUVENATION.
JUST TO HIGHLIGHT AGAIN HERE, HERE THE COST VALUES.
THESE ARE ABOUT TWO YEARS OLD.
USED TO LOVE THIS ONE, SO I ALWAYS SHOW THIS ONE.
THIS GIVES YOU THE COST BREAKDOWN FOR THE HIGHEST RECONSTRUCTION, THEN FULL DEATH BILL AND PAY LIFT MICROSERVICES AND OF COURSE, MAINTENANCE AND THE BOTTOM REJUVENATION.
AND THEN IF YOU TAKE A LOOK, OF COURSE, IF YOU RECONSTRUCT A ROAD, YOU GET 20 YEARS.
BUT IF YOU ONLY DO CERTAIN OTHER THINGS, IT'S A LOT LESS.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE DOLLAR PER SQUARE YARDS, YOU CAN SEE A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RECONSTRUCTION AT $55, REJUVENATION AT A BUCK.
SO THE BIG DIFFERENCE FOR A BUCK, I'M SAYING FOR WHAT WE COULD DO.
FOR BUCK. UNDER UNDER $1,000,000.
THAT'S PRETTY THAT'S PRETTY GOOD.
YOU KNOW, AND IT'S GOING TO GIVE THOSE ROSE THREE MORE YEARS AND WE'LL COME BACK AND HIT IT AGAIN. SO THIS IS WHAT WE CALL THE TOOLBOX.
WE WANT TO USE THESE OTHER OPTIONS AS WELL.
BACK TO SURFACE THING, WE HAD SOME BAD ISSUES THIS LAST YEAR IN UNIT 17 AND 46.
THERE'S SOMETHING WITH THE EMOTION.
THERE'S SOMETHING WITH THE APPLICATION WE BELIEVE IS TEMPERATURE DRIVEN.
WE BELIEVE IT'S ALSO THE POLYMER MIX, I BELIEVE.
YOU WAIT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
THE TWO COMPANIES THAT DO HEAVY, HEAVY NATIONWIDE MICRO SERVICING, THEY'RE INTO IT.
THEY THEY SAW THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS AGAIN.
BUT HOWEVER, WE WENT UP TO WEST MELBOURNE SOON AFTER WE HAD OURS AND IT ROLLED OUT.
THEY ALL ROLLED OUT. IT'S STILL NOTICEABLE, BUT THEY ROLLED OUT.
THEY DID SOME IN WEST MELBOURNE A FEW MONTHS BACK AND THE COOLER TIME WE WENT UP THERE, NOT SO GOOD. THEY HAD THE SAME DIMPLES THAT WE HAD.
SO IT WAS LIKE, OH NO, THANK YOU, WE'RE NOT DOING THIS.
WAIT, SO GET THE BUGS OUT OF IT.
I BELIEVE IT'S DEPARTMENT MIX SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER.
FINDING THE POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT IT'S NOT CURING HARD ENOUGH SO THAT WHEN WHEN THE CARS PULL OFF AND TURN THE WHEELS, YOU START SEEING THOSE TIRE DIVOTS.
I'VE NEVER SAW IT IN THE PAST.
BUT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT'S A MIXTURE.
I THINK IT'S A POLYMER. POLYMER IS THE ACTUAL CHEMICAL INGREDIENTS FOR THE EMULSION AND TYPICAL WITH POLYMER MIXES THAT MOST ALMOST ALL ALCOHOL HAS TO HAVE, IT GIVES A LITTLE STRENGTH TO IT. THAT'S WHY YOU PUT THE POLYMER INTO IT.
YOU CAN BUY ASPHALT WITH NO POLYMER.
TYPICALLY WHEN YOU SEE PARKING LOTS BEING DONE, THEY GET THE NO POLYMER.
WE ASKED FOR THE HIGHEST OUR SPECS ON OUR ROADWAYS FOR ASPHALT.
WE ASKED FOR THE 7076 DASH 22, WHICH IS THE HIGHEST GRADE OF POLYMER.
THAT'S WHAT'S THE STATE. WE GO WITH THAT STANDARD, BUT YOU PAY EXTRA FOR THAT POLYMER.
SO WE DO IT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE GOOD ROADS AND WE HAVE THE HIGHEST STRENGTH ROADWAY.
SO I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT.
GIVE ME A LITTLE SENSE. COSTS ARE GOING BACK TO THE YEAR ONE PROGRAM THAT WE JUST FINISHED. RIGHT NOW, AS YOU SEE, THOSE ARE THE UNITS SQUARE MILES.
OF COURSE, THEY'RE A BUNCH OF SQUARE MILES, SO THEY ADD UP.
SAME ALMOST. THE TOTAL IS 973 670.
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TAKE CARE. 31, 32, 41, 42.AND OF COURSE, OUT THERE ON ALL THOSE STREETS HAVE BEEN REJUVENATED IN THREE YEARS WHEN WE COME BACK AND DO IT AGAIN.
THAT'S THE PROGRAM. Q THIS YEAR, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THE REMAINING FOUR.
YOU SAID IN THREE YEARS YOU'RE GOING TO COME BACK AND DO THEM AGAIN FOR THE SAME COSTS? NO, THE COST IS GOING TO WITH COST OF PETROLEUM GOING UP AND COST OF LIVING GOING UP, I BELIEVE THE COST WILL GO UP.
I THINK RIGHT NOW THEY'RE STILL HOLDING SOME OF THEIR VALUES.
SO IT'S NOT A LOT GAS AND IT'S NOT LIKE ASPHALT THAT HAS A LOT MORE GAS IN.
BUT THESE COSTS WILL GO UP BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS GOING.
AND ACTUALLY WE GOT THIS COST.
IF YOU LOOK AT THAT SHEET AGAIN, IT WAS IT WAS LIKE 90 SOMETHING CENTS.
IT WAS ACTUALLY LESS. WE GOT IT FOR LIKE 90 SOMETHING.
THESE NUMBERS FOR THIS YEAR TO CURRENT YEAR.
RIGHT NOW, I RAISE IT UP TO A BUCK.
WE HAD THE REMAINING YEAR ONE, WHICH WAS 1115 TO 1823 AND 56.
THOSE WERE NOT COMPLETED BECAUSE THEY WERE STILL UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
SO I COULDN'T DO IT WITH THIS PROGRAM.
BUT THEY'RE DONE. THEY'VE BEEN DONE.
SO THEY'RE RIGHT TO DO BECAUSE OF ONE, TWO, THREE YEAR PERIOD.
THEN ALL THE ONES YOU SEE IN UNIT TWO, THOSE ARE ALL THE ONES THAT WE'VE ALREADY COMPLETED. IN YOUR VIEW ARE PHASE TWO? WE'VE COMPLETED A LOT OF STREETS IN PHASE TWO ALREADY.
WE HAVE A LOT MORE OF THE YEAR TO HAVE ONE OF THE LARGEST UNITS BECAUSE IT HAD THE WHOLE NORTHEAST. SO WE'RE NOT DONE YET, BUT THOSE ARE ALL THE ONES THAT WE HAVE.
SO IF YOU ADD UP ALL PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO I NEED TO HAVE IS $2.1 MILLION.
BUT THIS YEAR, STAY ON TRACK TO KEEP THOSE ALL THOSE STREETS REJUVENATED.
THIS FOUR YEARS YOU NEED THESE STREETS CURRENTLY ARE RETROFITTING THEM AFTER A YEAR.
I TRY TO DO THE TRY TO WITHIN A YEAR OR TWO, THEY SAY UP TO THREE YEARS.
ONCE AFTER THREE YEARS, WHAT HAPPENS IS THE OXIDATION GETS INTO THE ASPHALT.
SO IF YOU ADD REJUVENATION, IT WON'T HELP IT OUT.
SO THERE'S A PERIOD, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE IT AND AFTER YOU PAVE THE ROAD.
YES. IT'S JUST HARD TO BREAK DOWN.
YOU CAN'T PUT IT BACK. AND WHAT WHAT IS THE TOTAL PERCENTAGE, IF YOU KNOW OR FAN OF COMPLETION THAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR? I DON'T KNOW. IN TERMS OF REJUVENATION OF ROAD PEOPLE, RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT 34%, COMPLETED 34% OF ALL THE 700 OF THE 791 MILES.
WE'VE DONE 34% MORE MILES COMPLETED.
AND JUST ASKING, WE STILL HAVE FUNDS LEFT FROM THE FIRST TWO DRAWS.
YES, THAT'S THE QUESTION I ASK COUNCIL AND THE COUNCIL.
AND WE'LL GO OVER THIS MAYBE IN THE FUTURE.
BUT IN THE FIVE YEAR PROGRAM, WE'RE RIGHT NOW ABOUT 33%.
WE'RE DOING PRETTY GOOD. HOWEVER, WE STILL HAVE YEAR FIVE.
YEAR FIVE HAS THE LARGEST NUMBER OF UNITS.
HOWEVER, THE GOOD NEWS IS WE'RE TAKING CARE OF ALL THE BAD ROADS IN THE FIRST COUPLE OF YEARS. THE MAJORITY OF THE FIRES ARE HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.
THEN AS YOU GET INTO YEAR FIVE IS MAINLY JUST MORE MICRO SURFACING AND THIN LIFTS.
EVEN THOUGH THERE'S MORE MILES, THERE'S LESS COST BECAUSE THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE NOT AS EXPENSIVE. AND I RAN ALL THE NUMBERS.
BEST WE COULD DO RIGHT NOW WILL BE A FEW MILLION DOLLARS SHORT.
HOWEVER, HOWEVER, WE NINE IS NOT PART OF THAT MIX.
WHEN YOU HAVE ABOUT 100 PEOPLE LIVING BACK THERE.
YOU HAVE TO DO ALL THOSE STREETS AND WE WON'T MAKE IT IS A HUGE COST.
BUT AGAIN I'M JUST BEING UPFRONT ABOUT.
TAKE CARE OF ALL THOSE STREETS THAT HAVE PEOPLE LIVING ON IT.
USE IT TO HAVE THE GAIN, NOT JUST BECAUSE YOU LIVE ON IT, BECAUSE YOU SANFILIPPO USE METAL BAR USE. THOSE ARE ROADS EVERYBODY USES, THEY'RE ALL BENEFITING AND THEY'RE ALL GOING TO GET PAVED. THE ONLY ROADS THAT WE HAVE NOT BECAUSE OF THE FUNDING POTENTIAL OF BEING SHORT, IS WHICH IS IN YEAR FOUR, WE ARE GOING TO BE PAVING MADDEN AND MOSES THEIR MAIN CORRIDOR THAT WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL.
THEY'RE GOING TO DO THAT. HOWEVER, THERE'S OTHER MILES IN 49.
IF YOU'VE BEEN OUT THERE, YOU KNOW THIS STREETS OUT THERE, YOU CAN'T EVEN DRIVE NOW, STREET. YOU CAN'T GET TO THE STREETS.
YOU DON'T WANT TO GET OUT THERE BECAUSE THERE'S NOT I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE BACK THERE.
THE ROADS ARE HEAVILY OVERGROWN WITH PEPPERS.
THE ROAD CONDITION IS TERRIBLE.
EVEN WITH FOUR WHEEL DRIVE, YOU'RE GOING TO GET STUCK.
AND FOR US TO GO BACK THERE AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE IS THAT I CALL IT, I DON'T EVEN CALL IT TRASH, NOT JUST DEBRIS.
I MEAN, THERE'S LIKE CARS AND BOATS AND REFRIGERATORS.
I MEAN I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE THROWING EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN BACK THERE, LITERALLY.
I MEAN, YOU GOT TO GO IN THERE WITH HEAVY EQUIPMENT.
I MEAN, IT IS NOT WITH, YOU KNOW, BAGS OF GARBAGE CANS AND HAND PICKERS.
YOU GOT TO GO IN THERE WITH HEAVY, HEAVY EQUIPMENT.
THIS STUFF BACK THERE I'VE SEEN, IT'S LIKE, OH, HOW THE HECK? THESE BOATS, BIG BOATS, BIG CARS AND REFRIGERATORS AND FURNITURE STACKED.
REALLY STACKED AND PUSHED BACK INTO THE INTO THE BUSHES.
AND THAT'S ANOTHER COST TO TAKE CARE ALL THAT AND THEN REDO THE ROWS AND TRIM UP ALL THE
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PEPPERS. FOR HER.NOBODY LIVING BACK, REALLY, OR SOME PEOPLE THAT LIVE BACK THERE, THERE'S 100 PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF THAT, YOU KNOW, 49.
AND THEY DO NOT WANT THEIR ROADS PAVED.
THEY DON'T THEY WANT TO HAVE THAT COUNTRY LIFE.
I GREW UP ON A DIRT ROAD TO YOU, WHAT I'M SAYING.
IF THEY WANT DIRT ROADS, THEY'RE HAPPY WITH IT BECAUSE THEY BOUGHT INTO THE COUNTRY.
THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT. IT WAS CLEAR.
RIGHT. YOU KNOW, SO I THINK IT'S MAYBE IT'S A JUDGMENT CALL WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO TO A YEAR FROM NOW OR TWO YEARS FROM NOW, MAYBE WE JUST HIT A FEW ROADS TO HAVE POPULATED STREETS WITH PEOPLE LIVING ON IT.
BUT TO DO ALL THE ROWS AND 49.
AND REALLY SEE THE BENEFIT FOR THE MAJORITY OF RESIDENTS BECAUSE WITHIN THIS TIME FRAME, WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK AND START REPAVING, REJUVENATING, TAKING CARE OF.
I THINK WE WERE BLESSED WITH 150.
I THINK WE NEED TO BE VERY CONSERVATIVE IN TERMS OF HOW WE WANT TO SPEND THAT MONEY AND DO IT WISELY. I'M JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY.
ALL THE UNITS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE NOW AND ALL THE UNITS THAT HAVE REJUVENATION ALREADY.
NONE OF THIS MONEY IS COMING FROM THE BOND MONEY ITSELF, RIGHT? RIGHT. ROMANS IS THE MONEY SET ASIDE BY THE COUNCIL? IT'S NOT PART OF THE BOND MONEY.
SO THIS PRESENTATION I'M TALKING ABOUT HAS NO ROAD BOND MONEY BEING SPENT ALL ROAD MAINTENANCE MONEY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
GOOD CLARIFICATION. SEPARATE POT OF MONEY.
THE GENERAL FUND. THE GENERAL FUND, THEY PUT ASIDE SO MUCH MONEY.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SPENDING IN THIS PROGRAM.
AND SO HERE'S THE MATRIX THAT THE COUNCIL TWO YEARS AGO APPROVED, WHICH KIND OF IT'S.
IT'S GOING TO BE IT'S A MOVING DOCUMENT.
IT'S A LIVING DOCUMENT. BUT AS YOU SEE ON TOP, YOU HAVE REJUVENATION.
SO WHAT YOU START OFF WITH THE SAME ROAD PROGRAM, WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS HIT THOSE STREETS AND REJUVENATE THEM.
THE FIRST YEAR WAS WAS ANOMALY.
WE HAD SOME SMALL REJUVENATION, BUT THE REAL ONE CAME IN UNIT 21, WHICH WE JUST INSTEAD OF SPENDING THE 1.7 WE SPENT ABOUT.
WE DID MORE LIKE ABOUT 75 MILES.
YOU STILL HAVE. SO IT'S GOING TO BE A FLUCTUATING TARGET.
BUT WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS WE TRY TO REJUVENATE ALL THE ALL THE YEAR, ALL THE UNITS FIRST, AND THEN COME BACK AROUND IN THREE YEARS AND HIT THEM AGAIN.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE FIRST TWO TIERS SHOW, RIGHT? I'M SORRY. YOU SAID IN YEAR 2021, WE SPENT HOW MUCH? WE ONLY SPENT ABOUT A MILLION INSTEAD OF THE ONE POINT.
OKAY. I'M SORRY. I THOUGHT YOU SAID 5 MILLION, AND WE ONLY DID A MILLION IF YOU GO BACK.
WOW. YOU WENT WAY OVER AND SEE THE YEAR ONE, 11, 15, 18, 23 AND 56.
THOSE AREN'T READY YET BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL BEING PAVED.
SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY THOSE UNITS IN UNIT ONE YEAR ONE WASN'T DONE AS PART OF THE FIRST PHASE. AND THAT'S WHY WE ONLY SPENT ON THE PROGRAM ABOUT A MILLION, NOT 1.7.
THAT'S THE REASON WHY IT WAS BECAUSE WE JUST WEREN'T DONE YET.
SO SO THAT POINT SEVEN HAS TO THEN ROLL BACK INTO THIS YEAR.
BUT THIS YEAR'S PROGRAM, AS YOU SAW RIGHT NOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SPEND $3 MILLION.
WE'RE ONLY GOING TO SPEND $2.1 MILLION BECAUSE I'M NOT GOING TO HAVE ALL THE ROADS PAVED AGAIN BECAUSE WE HAVE EIGHT YEARS TO DO IT.
SO I HAVE A LITTLE WIGGLE ROOM.
THIS THIS IS A GOOD CHART TO FOLLOW.
TRY TO MAINTAIN THE FIRST FIVE YEARS TO GET ALL THE STREETS, PROBABLY GOING TO BE EIGHT YEARS TO GET ALL THE STREETS PAVED.
BUT THEN WITHIN THREE YEARS AFTER THE FIRST RELEASE OF THIS ONE, RIGHT NOW, I'M GOING TO HIT IT AGAIN. THAT'S WHAT THERE'S AN OVERLAP.
SO. AND I'VE HEARD SOME, I GUESS, CONFUSION AROUND THIS.
AND I WONDER IF IT'S JUST THE WAY WE'RE STATING IT, BECAUSE I SEE LIKE A FIVE YEAR BOND PLAN AND A FIVE YEAR PLAN, BUT THEN I HEAR WE HAVE EIGHT YEARS TO COMPLETE IT AND I KNOW IT'S IN FIVE PHASES.
SO IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD STOP SAYING A FIVE YEAR PLAN AND WE CAN JUST SAY IT'S A FIVE PHASE PLAN ON EVERYTHING? BECAUSE IT IS IT GETS LIKE, I SEE WHY PEOPLE GET CONFUSED AND LIKE THEY SAY, IT'S FIVE YEARS, BUT NOW IT'S GOING TO TAKE EIGHT YEARS.
WHAT IT REALLY IS, IT'S EIGHT YEARS, BUT WE HAVE FIVE PHASES, CORRECT? OC DOESN'T IT? BECAUSE BOND FOR FIVE YEARS, THIS IS HOW IT WAS WORDED.
IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PHASES.
YOU'RE RIGHT, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN FIVE PHASES AND EIGHT YEARS.
BUT IT WASN'T WORD OF THAT WAY.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE THE ANOMALY COMES IN.
BUT YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
THE PHRASING, THE WORDING SHOULD BE PHRASED, IT SHOULD BE PHASES, IT SHOULD BE FIVE PHASES AND EIGHT YEAR PERIOD.
SO AND I BELIEVE AT THE RATE WE'RE GOING RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITHIN THAT EIGHT YEAR PERIOD TO HAVE ALL OUR STREETS DONE.
WE HAD A LITTLE SLOWDOWN, BUT WE'RE RIGHT ON TARGET THAT SOMETHING DRAMATICALLY HAPPENS.
I DON'T. WE'RE GOING TO MEET THAT TARGET.
IT'S GOING TO BE WE'RE GOING TO BE SLIGHTLY SHORT.
LIKE I SAY, WE DO EVERYTHING EXCEPT FOR SOME OF THE STREETS IN 49.
WE'RE GOING TO BE ABOUT 2 MILLION. WE I'M SORRY, FRANK.
DO YOU HAVE AN ACTUAL NUMBER ON THE FIRST TWO DRAWS OF HOW MUCH WE HAVE LEFT?
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YES, WE DO. WE HAVE WE HAVE AN ACCOUNTANT THAT TAKES CARE OF ALL THE BEAN COUNTING.SO WE HAVE A TRUE, TRUE DOLLAR AMOUNT.
AND USING THAT NUMBER I PROJECT OUT.
THAT'S WHY I SAY IF WE PROJECT ALL THOSE TRUE NUMBERS TO TRUE BEING COUNTING THE SAVINGS, EVERY NICKELS WE COUNT, PUSH THEM OUT TO THE FUTURE.
IF WE HAVE TO DO ALL THE ROWS BASED ON WHAT? AND I HAVEN'T DONE YEAR FIVE ESTIMATES YET, I'M ASSUMING WORST CASE SCENARIO, BUT IF IT COMES OUT, THOSE STREETS ARE EVEN BETTER.
WE DON'T HAVE TO DO AS MUCH OF THE WORK RIGHT NOW.
WORST CASE IN YEAR FIVE WOULD BE ABOUT $2 MILLION SHORT.
OKAY. SO, AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT ALL WE KEEP SEEING HERE IS THE COST. CAUSE, CAUSE, COST, CAUSE.
WE'RE BELOW, WE'RE BELOW, WE'RE BELOW.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE A DOLLAR AMOUNT.
ARE YOU ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT TO GIVE THE CURRENT TODAY'S COST? I CAN'T GIVE YOU THE FUTURE COST.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM. NO, I MEANT HOW MUCH WE HAVE LEFT.
YES. I DON'T HAVE IT RIGHT HERE.
WE HAVE AN ACCOUNTANT WHO TRACKS THE PROJECT, LIKE I SAY, AND IT FLUCTUATE WEEKS TO WEEK BECAUSE WE HAVE RIGHT NOW RANGER DOING TWO DIFFERENT UNITS.
SO THAT MONEY IS TRANSFERRING OVER AS THEY SUBMIT BILLS PAY OUT OF IT.
OKAY. BECAUSE THE CONCERN FOR ME FOR FOR ME IS YOU TALK ABOUT 33, 34% COMPLETE.
AND YOU FORESEE THAT IT'S NOT BEING A PROBLEM.
REMEMBER, I SAID IN THE LAST TWO YEARS THERE VERY LITTLE RECONSTRUCTION, VERY LITTLE FDR.
IS IT MAINLY GOING TO BE MAJORITY IS GOING TO BE IF WE HAD MICROSERVICES MAYBE MICROSERVICE. AT $5 A SQUARE YARD AND NOT 55 OR $60.
RIGHT. THERE'S THERE'S WHERE THE SAYING YOU MAY HAVE A THIRD LEFT OF THE STREETS, BUT THE COST IS GOING TO BE EXTREMELY LESS BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT DOING ANY HEAVY MAJOR REPAIR WORK.
OKAY. WHOEVER CAME UP AND I KNEW WHO OUR PREDECESSORS WERE, THEY WERE SMART.
THEY HIT THE WORST STREETS, TRY TO HIT THE WORST STREETS UP FRONT.
TAKE CARE OF THAT PROBLEM WHEN THE COST IS STILL LOW, USE THAT MONEY WISELY AND THEY HIT THE WORST STREETS. GET THE BANG FOR THE BUCK, AS YOU OF.
RIGHT NOW, GASOLINE PRICES GOING UP.
WE ALL KNEW IT WAS GOING TO GO UP.
BUT THE GOOD NEWS RIGHT NOW IS FROM WHAT I SAW IN THE LAST SET OF BIDS, OUR COST HAS GONE UP SLIGHTLY. TYPICALLY, WE WERE GETTING LIKE 80 BUCKS A TON.
OH, THAT'S A LOT. HAVE YOU SEEN WHAT OUR COMPETITION IS AROUND US? I'VE SEEN BIDS IN ANY RIVER COUNTY DOWN HERE IN BEAVER COUNTY.
WE'RE STILL GETTING A DEAL BECAUSE THEY WANT TO WORK HERE.
THESE CONTRACTORS ARE KEEPING THEIR PRICES LOW BECAUSE THEY WANT TO KEEP WORKING HERE.
BUT I'M SAYING EVENTUALLY THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO.
IT'S GOING TO GO UP. RIGHT? THAT IS RIGHT. FRANK, I GOT A QUESTION ABOUT SOMETHING YOU SHOWED AT THE BEGINNING.
YOU HAD THE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF MICRO SURFACE.
THERE'S A PINK AND THEN THE WHITE REJUVENATE.
SORRY. THANK YOU. OUT OF CURIOSITY, BECAUSE I KNOW BEFORE WE STARTED, YOU SAID YOU HOPE THAT THE ORGANIZATION THAT USED TO WHITE DOES PUT A BIT IN THIS YEAR.
IS WHICH ONE I GUESS TO YOU IS BETTER AND WHY WOULD YOU CONSIDER THE OTHER ONE BETTER VERSUS THE OTHER? THE REASON WHY I SAID THE WHITE, WHICH IS CALLED THE MIST I SUPPORTED MORE WAS NUMBER ONE.
IT WAS BECAUSE WAS GREEN BASED.
I THINK WE TRY TO GO WITH NON PETROLEUM BASED THAT WILL HELP SAVE ON THE COST BECAUSE AS PETROLEUM KEEPS GOING UP, THIS IS OIL BASED, PLANT BASED.
SO IT DOESN'T HAVE THAT ISSUE AND MAYBE MAYBE BECAUSE IF WE STARTING TO GO INTO OTHER PRODUCTS, I'M SAYING SO MAYBE EVERYONE IS DRIVING PLANT BASED CARS, BUT RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S STILL AT A VERY MODERATE COST COMPARED TO THE PETROLEUM COST THAT WAS AND I CATCH IT PLUS IT'S GREEN, IT'S AN EYE CATCHER.
AND THEN THE APPLICATION IS A LOT MORE SIMPLER TO BE MULTI PETROLEUM BASED.
SO SOON AFTER YOU APPLY IT, YOU HAVE TO GIVE IT MORE TIME TO CURE AND THEN YOU GET TO PUT SAND ON IT SO YOU DON'T HAVE ANYBODY LOSING TRACTION.
THIS IS YOU GIVE IT 15 MINUTES AND IT DRIES NO SAND.
THE PINK HAS A SLIGHT TINT TO.
SO IT COVERS UP THE STRIPING AND MARKINGS AND AFTER A WHILE IT FADES OUT.
WHEN IT CLEARS UP, THE WHITE BECOMES CLEAR.
SO ALL THE PAVEMENT MARKINGS ARE TRUE WITHIN.
WAS THERE A REASON THAT WE KNOW THAT THEY DIDN'T PUT A BIT IN FOR THE LAST GO ROUND, I GUESS BECAUSE THEY SAID THEY WERE TOO BUSY IN OTHER AREAS SO THEY WEREN'T GOING TO SUBMIT A BID. I KNOW THE COMPANY AND THEY'RE FULLY AWARE OF WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT AS A TOOLBOX, SO I'M HOPING THAT I CAN'T FORCE A CONTRACT, BUT I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF THERE WAS A PARTICULAR YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE THAT APPLICATION, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE FIRST SLIDE, THEY ACTUALLY THEY ACTUALLY DID OUR ST AS A FAVOR FOR US AS A PRACTICE. THEY USE THAT TO SELL THEIR PRODUCT THAT IS COVER.
I'M JUST GOING TO ASK YOU IF THAT WAS COVER THAT WAS COVER DRIVE.
THEY DID THE ENTIRE ONE LANE OF COVER DRIVE AT NO COST TO US AT FREE.
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AND THEN THEY DIDN'T WENT DOWN TO KOGAN BECAUSE KOGAN WAS A MICROSERVICE THAT SAID, CAN YOU APPLY THIS ON MICROSERVICE? THEY'VE NEVER DONE THAT AND SAYS, WELL, GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO I'LL GIVE YOU 500 FEET.WOULD YOU DO IT? THEY TOOK THE TANKER DOWN THERE AND THEY DID 500 FEET OF KOGAN AS A SAMPLE, AND THAT 500 FOOT OF KOGAN STILL LOOKS BLACK.
SO I WAS VERY SHOCKED IN THAT SAYING THEY DID IT AT NO COST TO WHICH YOU NEED TO CHALLENGE THEM MORE TO SEE WHAT THEY CAN DO SO WE CAN GET MORE KNOCKOFFS.
YEAH. THAT'S WHAT I AGAIN, I SAY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHY.
I MEAN, THEY CAME HERE, THEY MARKETED US, THEY DID THESE TRIALS FOR US AND DEMOS AT NO COST. YOU KNOW, WE HAD OUR COUNTY, SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES COME DOWN BECAUSE THIS IS A NEW PRODUCT. PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF THE MULTI BASE, WHICH IS PINK.
EVERYBODY'S AWARE OF THAT ONE. BUT THE NEW ONE IS THE MIST, WHICH IS THE PLANT BASED.
AND I'VE HEARD A LOT OF GOOD THINGS.
THE TEXAS D.O.T. DOES A LOT OF STUFF, AND THIS COMPANY IS NATIONWIDE, BUT I JUST WAS SHOCKED AT THAT. IT'S LIKE, WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE COMPANY? THE COMPANY IS APIS, ASPHALT PAVING SYSTEMS. ARE THEY DOING ANY OTHER CITIES IN BREVARD COUNTY DO YOU KNOW OF? THIS APPLICATION I'M NOT AWARE OF.
I KNOW THEY'RE DOING THEIR MICROSOFT THING.
THEY WERE JUST FINISHING A WHOLE BUNCH OF STREETS IN WEST MELBOURNE.
FDR, THOUGH, TOO. DON'T THEY? YEAH, THEY DO EVERYTHING.
A REALLY GOOD COMPANY. I'VE DEALT WITH THEM PERSONALLY.
YOU PROBABLY ARE TRULY TOO BUSY.
SO THAT BEING SAID, GOING TO THE LAST LEG, WHICH IS BASICALLY AFTER THIS ONE, IS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YOU NEED TO.
WHEN? BUT IT MAKES SENSE TO GO TO THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE FIRST.
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SOME. SO ARE YOU THINKING THAT THIS IS PUT THIS. IT WOULD ACCUMULATE SO THAT THIS ISN'T USE IT NOW THIS IS USABLE IN CASE BUT YOU'RE PUTTING AWAY EACH YEAR 2% SO THAT IF WE GET TO THIS SPACE, WE KNOW THAT OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS THIS MONEY'S BEEN PUTTING ASIDE TO SAY, HEY, THINGS GOT MORE EXPENSIVE.WHAT WE WERE TRADITIONALLY PULLING FROM RAN OUT.
BUT WE HAVE THIS RESERVE SO IT'S MORE OF NOT USING NOW IT'S LET'S BUILD A RESERVE THAT EVERY YEAR WE PUT IN AS MUCH IN 50 YEARS.
WE'RE NOT PUTTING OUR KIDS IN THE SAME POSITION WE WERE IN WHERE WE'RE.
AND WHEN THE GOVERNMENT TO GO SPEND A WHOLE BUNCH OF MONEY TO FIX OUR ROADS AGAIN.
THERE HAS NEVER BEEN ANYTHING IN THE CITY CHARTER PERTAINING TO MAINTENANCE.
I MEAN, THAT'S THAT SHOULD BE ALARMING TO ALL OF US.
I MEAN, THIS IS SOMETHING SERIOUS.
WE JUST INVESTED $150 MILLION TO REPAIR OUR ROADS, CREATE NEW ONES FROM SCRATCH, AND I WOULD SUPPORT ANYTHING BEING PUT INTO THE CHARTER.
THE CITY TAKE CARE OF ITS ROADS.
I MEAN, THAT SHOULD BE A GIVEN.
THE $970,000 YOU SPENT THIS YEAR ON ROAD MAINTENANCE.
THAT MONEY CAME FROM THE SALE OF EXCESS PROPERTY THE CITY HAD.
SO EVENTUALLY THE CITY IS GOING TO RUN OUT OF EXCESS PROPERTY.
BUT THERE IS THEY HAVE BEEN THEY'VE BEEN MOVING UP PORTIONS OF THE MONEY, PORTIONS OF IT.
JUST TO LET YOU KNOW AS BEST AS THEY CAN RIGHT NOW, I BELIEVE THE CURRENT BUDGET THAT'S IN THE ROAD MAINTENANCE IS LIKE 3 MILLION.
WHAT ABOUT THE X? WHAT IS THE YEARLY? WHAT ARE THEY YEARLY? WHAT IS THE.
THAT'S A THAT'S A COMPILATION OF SEVERAL YEARS TOGETHER.
AND THEN THIS YEAR, I'M GOING TO SPEND 2.1 OF IT.
WHAT IS IT? I MEAN, BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN HERE FOR A COUPLE, YOU'VE BEEN HERE FOR A LITTLE WHILE TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF TELL WHAT THAT AVERAGE LOOKS LIKE PER YEAR THAT THEY LIKE SAYING THIS FIRST YEAR WE SPENT ABOUT A MILLION, 900,000.
I'LL TELL YOU RIGHT OFF THE BAT, NEXT YEAR I NEED 2.7.
HOW MUCH DO YOU TYPICALLY BUDGET EVERY YEAR? THERE ISN'T NOTHING.
THERE'S NOTHING BUDGETED, PERIOD.
SO NEXT YEAR, WE'RE GOING TO BE SHORT.
SO YOU GUYS ARE JUST WORKING OFF OF ROLLOVER MONEY? PRETTY MUCH. BUT THERE'S NO MONEY GOING IN CURRENTLY.
TIME. I DON'T DISAGREE THAT THAT DEFINITELY SOMETHING NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE MORE ALONG THE LINES OF.
AS IT RELATES TO THE CHARTER, THERE ARE MANY THINGS THAT THAT YOU CAN LIST AT WHAT SHOULD GO IN AS IT RELATES TO WHAT IT WOULD BE RIGHT FOR THE CITY.
AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE BROUGHT TO COUNCIL TO FOR THEM TO VOTE INTO EFFECT? OR DOES IT NEED TO BE, I GUESS, NECESSARILY ON A CHARTER? BECAUSE I GUESS THAT'S LIKE MY FEAR WOULD BE, WELL, IF WE PUT THAT PERCENTAGE THAT HAS TO GO IN FOR ROADS.
NOW, WHAT ABOUT THIS? AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT'S IN THE CHARTER.
WHAT ABOUT THIS? AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT'S AND YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? IT STARTS WHAT COULD BE A SLIPPERY SLOPE OF.
RIGHT, BUT. THE CITIZENS VOTED FOR THE $150 MILLION ROAD BOND PROGRAM.
IF THE CITIZENS TO VOTE TO PUT 2% OF THE GENERAL FUND MONEY INTO ROAD MAINTENANCE TO PROTECT THEIR INVESTMENT.
AND EVEN WITH THAT, I DO UNDERSTAND THE POSSIBILITY OF THAT HAPPENING, WHICH NINE TIMES OUT OF TEN THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
BUT I GUESS IT JUST BECOMES, YOU KNOW, KIND OF DARNED IF YOU DARNED IF YOU DON'T.
EVERYBODY WANTS A PIECE OF THE PIE.
BUT THIS BECOMES A SITUATION THAT IT REALLY IS BOTHERSOME THAT NOTHING GOES TOWARDS THIS.
SO THERE'S NO WAY TO PROTECT IT WITHOUT TAKING THAT LEAP LIKE WE GET.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOMETHING BECAUSE THAT'S MADNESS TO KNOW THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH ROLL OVER MONEY AND IT'S NOTHING THAT'S EVER ALLOCATED TO THE MAINTENANCE OF ROADS WHEN THAT'S PRETTY MUCH KIND OF THE BREAD AND BUTTER OF OUR CITY.
THAT'S HOW WE GET TO AND FROM BEING THAT WE HAVE TO GO OUT OUR CITY FOR EVERYTHING THAT WE DO. I MEAN, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE ROADS TO BE ABLE TO DRIVE ON.
I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF LIKE, YEAH, EVERYBODY'S GOING TO COME IN AND WANT A PIECE OF IT, BUT WHAT CAN WE DO? I'M FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE ALL THOSE OTHER CITIES AND THE SITUATION.
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DO WE? I'M SORRY, FRANK.DO WE KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING WRITTEN IN ANY OF THOSE CHARTERS THAT REQUIRES THEM TO DO THAT? I DO LIKE HIS QUESTION, THOUGH.
IS THERE AN EXAMPLE OF OTHER CITIES THAT ARE DOING THIS AND HOW ARE THEY ACCOMPLISHING THAT PROGRAM? IS IT SOMETHING THAT THEY PUT IN THEIR CHARTER OR IS IT JUST SOMETHING THAT THEY'VE ESTABLISHED? MIKE.
TURNER. I KNOW LIKE POLK COUNTY HAS A MAINTENANCE PROGRAM.
A LOT OF THE COUNTIES DOWN SOUTH, BREVARD, BROWARD COUNTY, A LOT OF THE CITIES AND COUNTIES THAT ARE LARGE HAVE THESE MAINTENANCE PROGRAMS BECAUSE THEY REALIZE THAT BECAUSE THESE COUNTIES, JUST LIKE BREVARD COUNTY, THEY HAVE WAY MORE MILES, THEY HAVE WAY MORE MILES. AND SO THEY UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE TO HAVE A MAINTENANCE PROGRAM OR THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE SUFFICIENT ROADS TO HAVE IN THE FUTURE.
AND IF YOU DON'T SPEND THE MONEY TO MAINTAIN IT, YOU'RE GOING TO BE PAYING THE HIGH CAPITAL COST TO REBUILD ROADS AND REBUILD.
ROE IS GOING TO BE EVEN MORE ASTRONOMICAL IN THE FUTURE.
SMARTEST THING IS TO WHICH CAN EARLY ON PUT SOME MONEY ASIDE AND START MAINTAINING YOUR ROADWAYS. I MEAN, IT'S JUST COMMON SENSE.
THE PEOPLE WHO SELL THE REJUVENATION, THEY SAY, IS LIKE CHANGING OIL.
IF YOU DON'T CHANGE YOUR OIL, YOU'RE GOING TO SAVE UP.
MAINTENANCE. PURE MAINTENANCE.
CANCEL TODAY MAY NOT BE THE COUNCIL JANUARY OF NEXT YEAR.
THAT COUNCIL COULD DECIDE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ROAD WEEK, SO WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THE MONEY SOMEWHERE ELSE.
BUT IF IT'S IN THE CHARTER, YES, IT'S OUT OF THEIR HANDS.
I AGREE ON THE ROAD MAINTENANCE.
I GUESS JUST SAY IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A LOW NUMBER, BUT WHAT ARE WE DOING AS FAR AS THE DEVELOPERS COMING IN THERE AS WELL? HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE FOR SOME OF THE MAINTENANCE BECAUSE THEY'RE USING HEAVY EQUIPMENTS ON AND OFF OUR ROADS THAT WE'RE PUTTING ON KIND OF TO PROTECT SHIPMENTS COME IN.
THEY HAVE TO PAY THEIR IMPACT FEES AND AS THEY PAY THEIR IMPACT FEES, WE HAD THAT MONEY OR IF THEY WANT TO, THEY COULD DO A PROPORTIONATE, FAIR SHARE AND DO ROAD IMPROVEMENTS BY STATE STATUTE. IF A ROAD IS ALREADY DEFICIENT OR ALREADY UNDER GOOD CONDITIONS, THEY'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE TO DO THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.
THEY'RE ONLY SUPPOSED TO BE PAID FOR WHAT THEY HAVE BE ADDING TO THAT ROADWAY SYSTEM.
SO ANY NEW IMPROVEMENTS OR ANY NEW EXPANSIONS, THAT'S WHAT FEES AND PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARES ARE. IF EVERYBODY IS ALREADY AT CAPACITY, THEY'RE NOT ON THE HOOK TO PAY FOR THAT.
THAT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY. THAT'S FAIR.
AND SO DEVELOPERS HAVE THE ABILITY IN THE FUTURE TO DO WIDENING AND SOME IMPROVEMENTS.
BUT THE BOTTOM LINE, THIS IS MAINTENANCE.
STATE IMPACT FUNDS FOR MAINTENANCE, CORRECT? 2% OF THE BUDGET IS APPROXIMATELY WHAT I THINK I SAID 3 MILLION BUDGETS, ABOUT 150 MILLION APPROXIMATE BUDGETS, ABOUT 150 MILLION FOR THE GENERAL FUND.
GENERAL FUND RUNS ABOUT 150 MILLION A YEAR RIGHT NOW.
RIGHT. BUT THE GENERAL FUND ITSELF IS ABOUT 150 MILLION.
IT'S A LOT. BUT FOR THE AD VALOREM AD VALOREM TAX, WHICH IS YOUR TAX REVENUE GENERATION, THAT THAT'S THE GUARANTEE.
THAT'S WHERE IT IS WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING.
SO BASICALLY YOU'D BE LOOKING AT YOUR GUARANTEED INCOME OF AD VALOREM.
HOPEFULLY THAT'S GOING TO START INCREASING UNDER ANTICIPATION.
BUT THE CURRENT CHARTER CURRENTLY STATES THERE'S THREE THINGS THAT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CITY COUNT FOR THE GOVERNMENT, POLICE, FIRE AND INFRASTRUCTURE.
THEY PUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THERE, BUT THEY HAVEN'T DEDICATED.
WHAT HOW DO YOU MANAGE THAT? WE'RE CURRENTLY THE CITY.
I'M GOING TO GET IN TROUBLE AGAIN.
BUT THAT'S ALL RIGHT. CURRENTLY, THE CITY OF PALM BAY DEDICATES MORE FOR PARKS AND RECREATION THAN IT DOES FOR INFRASTRUCTURE MAINTENANCE.
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PARKS AND RECREATION IS NOT EVEN INCLUDED IN THE CITY CHARTER.I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU DO AWAY WITH PARKS AND RECS.
I'M SAYING DO YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE, DO YOUR GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABILITY FIRST.
NOW. I'M NOT I'M NOT SITTING UP THERE AND I'M NOT SITTING ON THE CHARTER REVIEW.
BUT YOU CAN PRETTY WELL BET I VOICE MY OPINION ACCORDINGLY.
AND YOU'RE LOOKING CURRENTLY THIS YEAR AT 35 MILLION FOR AD VALOREM.
YOU SAY IT'S FROM THE AD VALOREM WHERE THAT 2% WOULD COME FROM? THAT WOULD BE YOUR GUARANTEED 2%.
THAT'S WHERE IT WOULD COME FROM BECAUSE YOU CAN'T TAKE IT OUT OF THE OTHER GENERAL REVENUE FUND THAT'S GENERATED.
YOU CAN'T TAKE IT OUT OF YOUR WATER AND SEWER.
YOU CANNOT TAKE THAT FUNDS OUT OF YOUR STORMWATER.
YOU CANNOT TAKE IT OUT OF YOUR IMPACT FEE FUNDS.
YOU CANNOT TAKE IT OUT OF ANYTHING EXCEPT FOR YOUR AD VALOREM TAX.
THAT'S THE BATTON UNDERSTANDING OF IT.
BASIL. BUT NOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO CUT WITH YOU 10%.
OR WE CAN BRING BUSINESSES INTO THE CITY AND STOP.
IT'S ALWAYS THERE. I WHAT WE'RE DOING IS SETTING A MINIMUM.
I AGREE WE SHOULD ESTABLISH A BASE, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THE BASE SHOULD BE HIGHER THAN WHAT WE NEED.
I GUESS A PLAN LIKE A NUMBER IS JUST HOW IT HOW OTHER CITIES HAVE ALLOCATED THESE FUNDS AND PUT TOGETHER A MAINTENANCE PROGRAM.
IF WE WANT TO PRESENT IT TO COUNCIL, I THINK IT WOULD BE WISE FOR US TO GIVE THEM AS MUCH DETAIL AS POSSIBLE AND MAKE IT VERY DIFFICULT FOR A CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE THAT I CURRENTLY SIT ON AND OR THE COUNCIL MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR THAT GROUP TO SAY NO.
SO AS MUCH INFORMATION AS WE CAN GET THEM, I THINK WE SHOULD.
AND I THINK YOU COULD START BY JUST TRYING TO FIND WHAT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE OF WHO HAS A MAINTENANCE PROGRAM THAT'S WORKING WELL THAT'S FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE BUT EFFECTIVE.
I THINK MY CONCERN IS I'LL BE 100% HONEST.
I'VE NOT GO DEEP INTO THE CITY OF PALM BAY BUDGET.
AND SO IT'S VERY HARD FOR ME TO SIT UP HERE AND COMMIT 2% OF AD VALOREM TAX REVENUE WHEN I HAVEN'T SEEN THE REST OF THE NUMBERS.
I THINK PUBLIC SAFETY IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
I THINK STAFF SALARIES NEED TO BE ADDRESSED IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.
I DON'T THINK THE WAGES ARE COMPETITIVE IN OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENT AGENCIES AND ALL OF THAT IS COMING OUT OF YOUR GENERAL FUND.
SO I THINK I WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE IF THE CHAIR WERE TO GO TO COUNCIL AND SAY WE WANT THIS PRIORITIZED.
BUT AT THIS POINT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE AS A MEMBER OF THIS BOARD SPECIFICALLY SAYING 2%.
I ALSO DON'T KNOW THAT THAT 2% NUMBER SPECIFICALLY NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IN THE CHARTER, AS MR. BATTEN STATED.
THE CHARTER DOES SAY THAT INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED, SO MAYBE WE NEED TO PUSH ON THAT MECHANISM THAT IS ALREADY IN PLACE.
AND IF THAT SAYS A COUPLE OF PLAYGROUNDS DON'T GET BUILT ONE YEAR, THAT'S FINE.
IT NEEDS TO SPREAD THE WEALTH AROUND AND MAINTENANCE IS IMPORTANT.
THEY USE A DEDICATED MILITARY EVERY YEAR TO FUND ROAD PROJECTS AND SO IT STARTED AT HALF A MILL, THEN WENT TO A MILL AND THEN WENT TO TWO MILLS.
AND SO AS PROPERTY VALUES INCREASE, THE TAX REVENUE OF THAT MILITARY INCREASES AND THAT'S USED WE USE IT FOR RESURFACING, BUT ALSO IT CAN BE FOR MAINTENANCE.
I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT A NEIGHBORING CITY IS DOING.
BUT I DEFINITELY AT THIS POINT NEED MORE INFORMATION FINANCIALLY ON WHAT THAT IMPACT IS.
BEFORE I WOULD. BUT MY MILITARY AT WORK.
VILLAGE RATE IS THE PERCENTAGE OF YOUR TAX INCREMENT THAT'S PER 1000 OF YOUR VALUE OF YOUR HOUSE. SO IF YOU LOOK ON YOUR CURRENT TAX STATEMENT.
THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THAT PROCESS IS ALREADY IN PLACE.
WE DO HAVE A SEPARATE TAXING DISTRICT JUST FOR ROADS.
WHAT DOES THAT BEING USED FOR? IT'S ALWAYS BEEN SET AT ZERO.
AND IT'S BEEN MY OPINION FOR YEARS THAT THEY NEED TO CHANGE THAT PHILOSOPHY BECAUSE THAT'S NOT HOW YOU GET THINGS DONE.
THERE ARE ROLLBACKS. THE ROLLBACK RATE IS YOUR PERCENTAGE OF TAX INCREMENT THAT WILL BRING YOU TO YOUR PREVIOUS YEAR'S AMOUNT IN REVENUE.
SO AS YOUR PROPERTY VALUES INCREASE, YOU NEVER INCREASE YOUR ACTION.
IT'S A STUPID ONE TO TELL YOUR RESIDENTS THAT YOU'RE INCREASING TAXES.
SO RESIDENTS ARE OUT HERE SAYING WE WANT MORE THINGS.
WE WANT MORE POLICE CARS, MORE FIRE TRUCKS, WE WANT MORE ROADS.
PENSION COSTS ARE OUT OF THE ROOF.
THAT ALL IS COMING OUT OF YOUR GENERAL FUND.
YES. I'M JUST SO DISTANT ON THAT SIDE OF IT.
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I HAVE A HARD TIME SAYING COMMIT 2% OFF THE BAT WITHOUT I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY OF THOSE NUMBERS. SO BUT I DO THINK IT NEEDS TO BE PRIORITIZED AND I'M OKAY WITH A MORE GENERAL STATEMENT LIKE THAT.MR. CHAIR. I'M JUST CURIOUS IF DAVE CAN ANSWER.
HOW MUCH LONGER DO WE HAVE? WHICH OUGHT TO REVIEW? ANYBODY KNOW? I BELIEVE WE'RE GOING INTO MAY.
IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. YOU HAVE ABOUT SEVEN OR EIGHT WEEKS LEFT.
THANKS. FOUR MORE MEETINGS, BUT ONE OF YOU ONLY HAVE, I THINK, TWO MORE MEETINGS OF GOING THROUGH THE ACTUAL CHARTER.
THEN YOU'RE GOING TO START LOOKING AT YOUR PRESENTATION THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PRESENT TO THE COUNCIL SO THE COUNCIL CAN DO THROUGH THEIR PORTION.
BUT I THINK YOU HAVE TWO MORE MEETINGS, NOT COUNTING TOMORROW, TWO MORE AFTER THAT.
AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT, BECAUSE IF WE RUN OUT OF TIME, DOING WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS A BOARD.
YOU OUGHT TO REVIEW IS NOT GOING TO GET TO SEE IT AND WE'RE GOING TO PASS IT AGAIN.
SO WE NEED TO TRY AND WORK ON THIS, GET SOME TYPE OF FIGURES TOGETHER, SOMETIMES SOME TYPE OF TEXTS, CONTENT FROM OTHER CITIES, HOW THEY WORK, THEIR PROGRAMS AND STUFF LIKE THAT AND, AND BRING IT BACK TO OUR NEXT MEETING SO WE CAN TRY AND PUSH THIS FORWARD.
ONCE PER MONTH REVIEW COMMITTEE AND WE WE MEET AT THE END OF THE MONTH.
SO I DON'T I THINK WE PROBABLY MISSED THE BOAT.
GO. JUST ASK FOR THE 3 MILLION FOR NEXT YEAR, BUT THAT DOESN'T FIX THE PROBLEM IN THE LONG TERM.
IT'S. WE WON'T HAVE A CHANCE TO.
VOTE TO MEET THE CHARTER REVIEW BEFOREHAND.
SO I'M TRYING TO THINK HOW TO SAY IF YOU CAN LIKE IT'S A WEIRD THING WITH LIKE I'D BE HAPPY WITH IF YOU CAN GRAB THE INFORMATION THAT PROVIDES THE BEST FORM OF THE ARGUMENT.
UM, THEN I AM OKAY WITH IT BEING PRESENTED AT THE CHARTER REVIEW.
BUT I THINK IT WOULD, IT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE MORE INFORMATION.
SO IT'S KIND OF A WEIRD STATEMENT TO SAY LIKE, YEAH, I'M COOL WITH IT.
AS LONG AS YOU CAN PROVIDE MORE CONTEXT, A LITTLE BIT MORE BACKGROUND AND MORE RESEARCH TO SHOW THIS IS HOW OTHERS ARE DOING IT, HERE'S HOW IT'S SMART.
IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE COMMITTED TO LIKE I.
I WOULD TRUST YOU TO SAY, OKAY, THAT'S FINE.
BECAUSE OF THESE GOING BEFORE THE CHARTER REVIEW.
SO I DO AGREE THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE INFORMATION PROVIDED THAN JUST BECAUSE EVEN THE 2% NUMBER, IN MY OPINION, IS WRONG.
BASED OFF OF WHAT? MR. BATTEN THAT HAS NOTED THAT 700,000 I WAS BASING THAT OFF THE $150 MILLION GENERAL FUND, NOT THE AD VALOREM 35 MILLION.
WE GOT IT HERE BECAUSE IF THAT HAPPENED THERE, IT'S JUST REALLY EASY TO SHOOT DOWN.
THAT'S WHY I MEAN, LIKE, HEY, IF WE CAN HAVE THE INFORMATION SOLID MAN, LIKE I, I THINK IT WOULD BE. IRRESPONSIBLE FOR US TO NOT AT LEAST APPROACH TO SAY SOMETHING.
BUT WHAT WE SHOULD APPROACH WITH SHOULD HAVE MORE DETAILS AND LAYERS TO IT SO THAT IT'S BASED OFF OF MORE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, LIKE SCIENCE.
IF THIS IS WHY THIS IS THE COST, THIS IS HOW AND THIS IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE.
AND QUITE FRANKLY, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO IT.
WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PUT IT IN THERE TO GET IT DONE.
JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU GUYS ARE ASKING FOR, BUT I DON'T HAVE THAT KNOWLEDGE.
AND AGAIN, THERE'S A LIMITATION IN TERMS OF WHAT I CAN DO AS A STAFF HERE.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T WORK FOR YOU GUYS.
I PROVIDE INFORMATION THAT'S RELATED.
IF I START RESEARCHING OTHER CITIES AND COUNTIES AND THAT IS GOING TO TAKE TIME, WHICH AS YOU SEE, I'M THE ONLY ONE DOING IT ALL.
YEAH. SO IT STILL IS MAINTAINING THE PAVING ROADS THAT WE'RE DOING OUT IN THE FIELD.
SO I CAN'T JEOPARDIZE THAT IF BE GOING DOWN TO POLK COUNTY OR OTHER PLACES RESEARCHING THEIR DATA. I'M JUST SORRY.
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I'M JUST BEING REALISTIC ABOUT IT.SO WHAT I FOUND ONLINE JUST A WHILE AGO, LAKE COUNTY, FOR EXAMPLE, IT SAYS THAT THEY MAINTAIN 1200 MILES OF PAVED ROADWAYS AND 144 MILES OF CLAY, CONCRETE AND GRAVEL ROADS.
BASED OFF OF THEIR CALCULATIONS, ONE PAVED MILE OF ROADWAY AVERAGES ABOUT $110,000.
AND THEN IT SAYS THAT EVERY YEAR THEY ALLOCATE $2 MILLION IN SALES TAX ANNUALLY FOR THE RESURFACING OF ROADS.
I MEAN, THAT'S JUST OFF OF THEIR CALCULATIONS FOR ABOUT, WHAT IS IT, 1300.
THEY SAY EACH COUNTY AND EACH AREA IS DIFFERENT.
SOME AREAS LIKE, WHY CAN'T I LIVE IN INDIAN RIVER COUNTY? THEY HAVE A THEY HAVE A 2% TAX SET ASIDE.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT HERE. WE DON'T HAVE A HALF SENSE.
WE CAN'T APPLY FOR IT. OUR COUNTY DIDN'T DO IT.
SO EACH COUNTY IN EACH AREA HAS A DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCE.
EXACTLY. THERE'S SOMETHING JUST FOR US TO GET AN IDEA OF, LIKE, SAY, 1300 MILES OF ROAD THERE AT $2 MILLION A YEAR.
THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S IT'S ALLOCATED NO MATTER WHAT.
NO MATTER PUBLIC SAFETY, NO MATTER ANYTHING ELSE.
A LOT OF IT IS A FUNDING MECHANISM AS THE AS DISCUSSED, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF CITIES, THE CITY I USED TO WORK IN THIS FASHION, THEY HAVE A DISCRETIONARY SALES TAX.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I THINK MORE THAN ANYTHING WE NEED.
SO. TO HAVE SOME SPECIFIC ACTS.
BARD'S. THAT'S TO SAY, BECAUSE THE BUTCHER CAN'T EVEN MEAT.
IT NEEDS SALAD AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO TIE.
THE CITY DOES RECEIVE A LOCAL OPTION GAS TAX, BUT THE LOCAL OPTION GAS TAX THE CITY RECEIVES NOW HAS BEEN A DEDICATED FUNDING SOURCE FOR A ROAD BOND THAT WAS TAKEN OUT ON EMERSON SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
RIGHT. THERE'S ALSO THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE LEAGUE TO BE INCREASED IN THIS COUNTY, AND THE COUNTY COMMISSION DOESN'T WANT TO DO IT.
SO THERE'S THERE'S A MECHANISM RIGHT NOW THAT.
IT'S AVAILABLE AND IS NOT BEING EXERCISED AT THE COUNTY LEVEL.
RIGHT. THIS PAPER SAYS THAT THERE ARE $750,000 COMMITMENT TO ROAD MAINTENANCE.
THAT GOT IT. THAT'S THAT'S THE FY 2022 GENERAL FUND FOCUS.
AS I MENTIONED RIGHT NOW, THE CURRENT BUDGET IS ABOUT THREE SOMETHING WE HAVE RIGHT NOW THAT. BUT CURRENTLY AVERAGE RIGHT NOW I THINK RUNNING TOTAL IS ABOUT 3 MILLION, BUT I SAY THREE ONE AND THEN I'M GOING TO SPEND 2.1.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE LESS THAN A MILLION.
THE FUNDING SOURCE IS NOT A CONTINUOUS.
THEY CAN ADD IT. THEY ADDED THAT 700 WAS JUST THIS YEAR, BUT LAST YEAR IT WASN'T THE SAME. BASICALLY WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING IS I'M JUST ASSUMING YOU HAVE TO GO UP AND SAY, HEY. I'M GOING TO NEED SOME MORE MONEY THIS YEAR AND HERE'S WHY.
AND IT'S EITHER GOING TO GET APPROVED OR I NEED SOME MORE MONEY COMING UP AND SAYING YOU'RE GOING TO GET APPROVED OR NOT APPROVED BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE.
IT HAD THE PLANS. IT'S SHOWN RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF US.
THERE'S NO DEDICATION OF LOCATIONS.
I MEAN, A PLAN FOR THE MONEY IS LIKE THE PLAN IS THEY'RE FUNDING.
YEAH. SO THIS JUNE, I'LL BE GOING FOR THE ONE POINT SORT OF 2.1 FOR, AS YOU SAW, THOSE STREETS. I NEED TO TAKE CARE OF REJUVENATION.
THERE'S SUFFICIENT MONEY THIS YEAR, BUT THEN YOU'RE NEXT YEAR.
YOU DON'T. BUT WE NEED SOMETHING TO BE PUT IN PLACE THAT GUARANTEES THE MONEY, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE NO GUARANTEE FOR FUNDS TO BE ABLE TO DO THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE PAID YOU TO DO. THAT'S CORRECT. EXACTLY.
SO, FRANK, YOU HAVE THIS PLAN.
YOU FEEL VERY CONFIDENT IN IT.
I GUESS A WAY OR A REASON WHY WE JUST DON'T TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AND SAYING, WELL, WE KNOW WHAT WE NEED OVER THE NEXT CERTAIN ODD YEARS.
CAN WE BREAK THAT DOWN INTO OVER THIS MANY YEARS? THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO PUT ASIDE THAT COMES FROM THAT GENERAL FUND, BECAUSE, AGAIN, YOU HAVE IT GOING UP. I THINK YOU FIGURE IT IN FOR COST GOING UP.
THIS IS NO, THIS WAS BASED ON LAST YEAR'S DOLLAR.
SO THE DOLLAR IS GOING TO CHANGE.
AND THEN AS WELL AS SOMETHING IN WRITING THAT'S GOING TO HOLD THE CHANGE, THAT'S GOING TO HOLD THE CHANGE IN COUNSEL, WHOEVER COMES, NO MATTER WHAT, WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING IN STONE THAT SAYS THIS IS THIS IS THE THIS IS WHAT HAS TO BE MET.
SO. I'M AN AGREEMENT IS LIKE REBECCA THAT LIKE WE AGREE I THINK WE ALL COLLECTIVELY AGREE THAT SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE, BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE ALL GOING TO AGREE ON HOW THAT LOOKS. APART FROM
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THAT THE RECOMMENDATION SINCE WE HAVE.JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE, FOLKS.
WE HAVE A CHARTER REVIEW MEETING TOMORROW.
WE HAVE A CURRENT MEMBER THAT SITS ON THE CHARTER REVIEW SITTING ON THIS BOARD ALSO.
THAT INDIVIDUAL HAS THE AUTHORITY AT THAT MEETING TO BRING UP UNDER NEW BUSINESS TO BRING UP. AND THIS IS HOW YOU GET ALL THE WORK OFF OF FRANK AND PUT IT ON THE PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE PAYING AS THE AUTHORITY AT THAT MEETING TO SAY, UNDER NEW BUSINESS, I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS POTENTIAL ITEM BROUGHT UP TO UNDER CHARTER REVIEW SAYING WE WOULD LIKE TO LOOK INTO SOME MECHANISM UNDER THE CURRENT CHARTER WHICH STATES INFRASTRUCTURE IS MANDATED, HOW WE'RE GOING TO DEDICATE IT SO WE DON'T HAVE TO.
AND THEN SOME HOW TO PRESENT IT AND LET THEM DO THE TASKING.
LET THEM DO THE FINE, MAKING A COMPARISON WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING.
AND YOU ALSO HAVE AT THAT MEETING YOU'LL HAVE THE CITY MANAGER WHO MANAGES THE BUDGET TO SAY, OKAY, WELL I SAW WHAT I HAD TO GO THROUGH THIS YEAR.
YOU'RE GOING TO GET THOSE INDIVIDUALS LOOKING AT IT FOR NOTHING ELSE.
YOU'RE GOING TO AT LEAST GET MORE INPUT, MORE INPUT, AND YOU'LL HAVE THE STAFFING FROM THAT ONE. IT WILL ALLOW THEM TO DO THE RESEARCH AND THEY DO THIS ALL THE TIME.
THEY THEY'RE DOING THIS AT EVERY ONE OF THEIR MEETINGS.
THEY'RE MAKING COMPARISONS FROM ALL OVER THE STATE.
LET THEM GO AHEAD AND DO THAT.
IT'LL TAKE THE BURDEN OFF OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ACTUALLY MAKING THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE CITY WORK.
I'M NOT YOUR BOARD MEMBER OR ANYTHING ELSE, BUT I'M.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GOING TO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GOING TO PHRASE IT.
BECAUSE YOU. BECAUSE NO MATTER WHAT YOU DECIDED HERE, IT'S STILL GOING TO GO FOR MORE PEOPLE BEFORE IT GETS TO THE VOTERS.
WHAT WOULD BE ABLE TO WORK IT? YOU MADE THE BUY BATTEN STANDARD, WHICH IS VERY LOW.
YOU MADE THE IDEOLOGY THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING DEDICATED TO FUND THE INFRASTRUCTURE, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE THE IDEOLOGY THAT SAYS, OH, AN INFRASTRUCTURE IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY.
BUT THEY DIDN'T PUT THE THEY DIDN'T PUT THE RESPONSIBILITY WHERE THE WHERE IT LIED.
AND I WISH YOU LUCK BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THE PERFECT OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THAT TOMORROW.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE YOU.
THANK YOU. JUST FOR THE RECORD, I'M ALSO THE CHAIRMAN OF THE RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD.
AND YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN BEATING UP ON ME PRETTY BAD TONIGHT.
WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO COME TO THE CHARTER REVIEW BOARD AND BASICALLY SPELL OUT THE FACTS AS I DID HERE TONIGHT, AND THEN YOU COULD TAKE IT FROM THERE? OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO HANDLE IT YOURSELF? I'M FINE EITHER WAY.
I'D SAY THAT WE THAT SOME INDIVIDUALS.
YOU KNOW, GO TO WORK TO ACTUALLY GET THE RESEARCH FOR US.
I AM GOING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO WORD IT.
BETWEEN NOW AND TOMORROW AND THEN I'LL BRING THAT UP TOMORROW AS TO BE NEW BUSINESS FOR.
FOLLOWING A CHARTER REVIEW MEETING.
YEAH. I GOT NO PROBLEM WITH THAT WHATSOEVER.
YEAH. AND WHEN YOU FIGURE IT OUT.
SO WHEN YOU FIGURE THAT OUT, ARE YOU GOING TO JUST PUT ON THE TABLE FOR THEM TO DO THEIR RESEARCH PERIOD? OR ARE YOU MAKING A SUGGESTION AS FAR AS LIKE THAT 2% OR THAT GENERAL COMMENT LIKE I'M NOT SURE HOW IT IS.
COMES FROM THAT. FUNNY. SO IF THERE IS, YOU COULD REPEAT THAT.
BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT GETS STATED IS, ONE, THE WILL OF WHAT WE ALL AGREE. THEN TO THAT I DON'T SAY IT WRONG.
WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR THEM TO.
UH. INITIATE A DEDICATED FUNDING SOURCE FOR INFRASTRUCTURE MAINTENANCE.
SHE HAD A DEDICATED FUNDING SOURCE FOR ROAD MAINTENANCE.
CHAIR I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT APPROACH.
JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE AWARE THE CITY MANAGER IS FULLY AWARE THAT WE'RE DEFICIENT IN TERMS OF OUR ROAD MAINTENANCE.
SO I THINK SHE WOULD BE HAPPY TO HAVE THIS BEING PRESENTED.
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EVERYBODY'S AWARE THAT WE'RE LACKING IN OUR ROAD MAINTENANCE.VERY GOOD FROM ONE BOARD TO ANOTHER BOARD.
YEAH, BUT THE 750 ISN'T LIKE A CONTINUATION.
LIKE, EVERY YEAR. IT'S LIKE, RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE A PLAN.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M CORRECT IN STATING THIS.
I WOULD SUGGEST THEY THE COUNCIL APPROVED THIS ROAD MAINTENANCE PLAN THAT'S SHOWN RIGHT HERE THAT WHEN YOU PRESENT THAT, SAY YOU GO BACK TWO YEARS.
THOSE ARE ROAD MAINTENANCE PROGRAM, THOSE APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL.
HOW YOU MANAGING THAT AND HOW YOU'RE FUNDING THIS PROGRAM IS THE DEDICATION OF FUNDS.
SO I DON'T. SO PROBABLY THE WORD IS THERE IN FRONT OF US, PROBABLY NOT TO USE THE WORD PLANTS LIKE IT GOES BACK TO LIKE YOUR WHOLE PHASES VERSUS YEARS.
SO I THINK THE PLAN, THEY MIGHT LOOK AT YOU AND SAY, OKAY, WELL WE DO HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE AND WE DO HAVE THAT.
I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE ROAD MAINTENANCE PROGRAM WAS APPROVED.
HOWEVER, WHAT WASN'T APPROVED WAS HOW WE'RE GOING TO FUND IT.
THAT IS CORRECT. SO THE PLAN, THE REAL BOTTOM IS SO FOR THE FIRST TEN YEARS, YOU NEED 3.4 MILLION. THE NEXT TEN YEARS YOU NEED 10.4 MILLION.
WHERE IS THE DEDICATED FUNDS? THAT'S ALL IT IS. THEY APPROVED THE WORDS, BUT THEY DIDN'T ACTUALLY MANDATE.
IF NO A MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD ON THAT PETITION THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR THE THE ROAD MAINTENANCE PROGRAM TO BE APPROVED OR TO BE PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL OR CHARTER REVIEW? YES.
TO APPROVE THE CHARTER REVIEW.
A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NO. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR I OPPOSED.
ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING FOR THE NEXT? MM HMM. IT GOES.
SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
AND IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN ALL KIND OF AND I DON'T KNOW IF I'M PROBABLY GOING TO READ THIS RIGHT, BUT I'M TRYING TO GAIN AN UNDERSTANDING.
SO OF COURSE, I SEE EVEN WHEN I GO ON TO THE WEBSITE, I SEE ALL OF THE.
CONSTRUCTION THAT'S GOING ON BECAUSE IT LISTS ALL THE DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES AND DEVELOPMENTS AND ALL THE OTHER STUFF.
HAVE YOU ALL DONE ANY ANALYSIS OF THE IMPACT THAT IT'S GOING TO HAVE ON THE CITY WHEN ALL THESE DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS ARE DONE AS FAR AS SCHOOL ROADS? WHAT HAVE WE DONE ON THE CITY SIDE TO BE ABLE TO ANALYZE, LIKE WHAT KIND OF.
I CAN ONLY SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE TRANSPORTATION AND THE ROAD FOR THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS.
I CAN BRING YOU A PRESENTATION THAT HAS THE MAJORITY OF THE LARGE LARGER DEVELOPMENTS RIGHT NOW THAT ARE INTO THESE WHAT WE CALL PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARES AND DEVELOPER AGREEMENTS ARE DOWN IN THE WATERSTONE AREA THAT WE ALREADY HAVE.
COUNCIL JUST APPROVED ONE FOR CYPRESS BAY WEST FINISHING UP RIGHT NOW, ONE FOR CYPRESS COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS A LARGE GROCERY AND ALSO WORKING WITH THE GARDENS ON THEIR PROPORTIONATE SHARE. I COULD BRING A PRESENTATION THAT SHOWS YOU EACH OF THOSE LARGE DEVELOPMENTS, WHAT THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS ARE AND THEIR PROPORTIONATE, FAIR SHARES AND THEIR COST. TRULY WHERE ALL THE DOLLARS ARE GOING FOR ROAD IMPROVEMENT SIGNALS WIDENING ALL THE ROAD. I DON'T HAVE THE OTHER.
ARE WE ABLE TO? BECAUSE I KNOW WE WORK AS A TEAM, ARE WE ABLE TO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE OR A STAFF MEMBER FROM THAT DEPARTMENT BE ABLE TO COME IN AND PROVIDE? THAT IS ME. SO I WOULD BE HAPPY TO GIVE YOU A PRESENTATION ON THAT.
WHAT I'M SAYING AS FAR AS THE OTHER INFORMATION, BECAUSE I WANT TO SEE AS A CITY HOW WE'RE GOING TO BE. I CAN ONLY ASK, ONLY ASK.
I WILL I WILL SAY ON MY OTHER BOARD, WE ASKED FOR A PRESENTATION FROM THAT SAME DEPARTMENT AND THEY DECLINED THE OPPORTUNITY DUE TO SHORT STAFFING.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW AMENABLE THEY.
I WILL ASK. NO, I HAVE NO PROBLEM ASKING PARKS.
BOTH MANAGEMENT HANDLES OUR SCHOOL AND RELATIONS.
I COULD ASK, BUT I CAN'T GIVE YOU A PRESENTATION ON THE PUBLIC WORKS AND ROAD SIDE THAT I'M THE ONE MANAGING. ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
WHAT IS THAT? THEY'RE BUILDING ON THE GROUP THAT.
GENERAL OR SOMETHING, RIGHT? DOLLAR GENERAL. HEY, FRANK, WITH THE PRESENTATIONS THAT WE'VE SEEN AND WITH THE PLANS AND HOW THEY ROLLED OUT THAT IS THAT ONLY WITH WHAT EXISTS TODAY OR IS THAT WITH WHAT WE KNOW IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED?
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I THINK THE BEST THING WOULD BE TO BRING YOU A PRESENTATION.ON THE WHOLE, IT WAS WATERSTONE AND IT'S NOW BROKEN UP IN ALL THESE DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS BY DIFFERENT OWNERS, DEVELOPERS.
NOW IT'S NO LONGER BEN JEFFERIES.
YOU HAVE FOUR STAR, YOU HAVE ALL THESE OTHER DEVELOPERS NOW, BUT THE BIG ONES ARE CYPRESS BAY WEST, THE GARDENS.
THE COURTYARD, CYBERSPACE AND THE COMMERCIAL.
SO THE BEST THING WOULD BE TO BRING YOU THE WHOLE WORLD BIG MAP THAT SHOWS YOU WHAT ONE TIME WAS WATERSTONE.
SO I UP TO ALL THESE DEVELOPMENTS AND ALL THESE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS.
HE TRULY WERE. AND IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN TODAY OR TOMORROW.
THESE ARE THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN THE NEXT TEN YEARS.
AND THAT GOOD PORTION OF IT IS A PUSH.
THEY CALL IT JOURNEY. DRIVE. THAT'S GOING TO BE THE FUTURE ST JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY, THE HEADS NORTH TOWARDS MELBOURNE.
SO I THINK IT'D BE GOOD FOR THE BOARD TO SEE THAT BIG PICTURE.
WHAT BOARD IS RESPONSIBLE FOR, LIKE ENTICING OR BRINGING BUSINESSES, LARGE CORPORATIONS, INTO OUR COMMUNITY? WE DON'T HAVE A BOARD THAT HAS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
SO I HAVE. SO JUST TO KIND OF ANSWER YOUR QUESTION FOR THE CITY THAT I PREVIOUSLY WORKED FOR, I'VE MADE THE SUGGESTION TO THE COUNCIL.
AND SO THAT HAS BEEN SENT TO THEM.
A COMPANY THAT HANDLES THAT SPECIFICALLY.
IF YOU GUYS ARE INTERESTED IN LOOKING INTO THAT, THE NAME OF THE COMPANY IS CALLED RETAIL STRATEGIES, JUST AS YOU CAN GET AN IDEA OF KIND OF WHAT THEY DO IN THE DIFFERENT CONTRACTS THAT THEY DO HAVE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, HELPING OTHER CITIES AND COUNTIES IDENTIFY THEIR OPEN AND AVAILABLE LOCATIONS AND PROPERTIES THAT ALLOWS THEM TO GO OUT AND MARKET THE BUSINESSES AND BRING BUSINESSES.
THEY'RE THE ONES THAT DOES THE RESEARCH TO SEE WHAT'S AROUND, WHAT'S NOT.
AND TO BE ABLE TO GO OUT AND GET THE BUSINESS FOR YOU.
THEY'RE LIKE CONSULTANTS THAT DO THE WORK FOR YOU.
I MADE THE SUGGESTION TO COUNSEL THERE VERY WELL.
SO GUYS WANT TO SUPPORT ME PASSING THAT ALONG? IT. THAT'S GOING TO GET US THE HELP TO GET THAT 2%.
THE MEETING ADJOURNED AT 8:12 P.M..
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.