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PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD REGULAR MEETING OF APRIL SIX, 2022, IS NOW CALLED TO ORDER.
MR. WEINBERG, WOULD YOU LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE? EVERYONE, PLEASE RISE AND FACE THE FLAG.
THIS NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
THIS IS THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
MR. OLSZEWSKI HAS ASKED TO BE EXCUSED.
MR. WARNER. WE'RE EXPECTING MR. WEINBERG. YOU'RE MR. KARAFFA HERE.
AND OUR DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEYS, JENNIFER COCKCROFT AND ERIC MESSENGER, ARE PRESENT.
MADAM CHAIR, WE DO HAVE A QUORUM.
[ADOPTION OF MINUTES]
IF I HEAR A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES OF THE MARCH 2ND, 2022 MEETING.MOTION TO ADOPT THE MINUTES OF THE MARCH 2ND MEETING.
AND BY MR. WEINBERG, SECONDED BY KAMARAJ TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED.
AYE. AYE, AYE. I'LL OPPOSE ZANY.
MOTION APPROVED. FOR THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE.
IF YOU'RE HERE FOR ANYTHING ABOUT THE MAJORS, IT WILL NOT BE HEARD TONIGHT.
SO THAT MEETING IS STILL BEING IN THE PLANNING STAGE.
SO IF YOU'RE HERE, THERE WILL BE NOTHING, NO COMMENTS OR ANYTHING ABOUT THE MAJORS THIS EVENING. OKAY.
STRAIGHT. FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE APPLICANTS AND THE AUDIENCE.
[ANNOUNCEMENTS]
THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD IS AN ADVISORY BOARD COMPRISED OF UNPAID.[OLD/UNFINISHED BUSINESS]
ANDERSON, WILL YOU PRESENT OUR FIRST CASE, PLEASE? SEE YOU. NINE. GOOD EVENING, BOARD MEMBERS. JESSIE ANDERSON, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF GROWTH MANAGEMENT.FOR OUR FIRST CASE TONIGHT, WE ARE GOING INTO SOME OLD OR UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
BEFORE WE GO INTO THAT, I JUST WANTED TO NOTE, AS YOU CAN SEE FOR OUR AGENDA TONIGHT, WE DO HAVE FOR THE PUBLIC ONE OLDER, UNFINISHED BUSINESS CASE, FOLLOWED BY FIVE NEW BUSINESS CASES. BEGINNING WITH OUR FIRST CASE, WE HAVE CONDITIONAL USE 9-- 2022, WHICH IS LOCATED NORTHWEST CORNER OF BABCOCK STREET AND VALKYRIE VALKYRIE ROAD.
IT'S APPROXIMATELY 1.5 ACRES IN SIZE, WITH A FUTURE LAND USE OF COMMERCIAL AND A ZONING DISTRICT OF COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CONDITIONAL USE TO ALLOW FOR RETAIL, AUTOMOTIVE, GASOLINE AND FUEL SALES FOR A PROPOSED FUEL STATION WITH A CONVENIENCE STORE AND DRIVE THRU ON THE
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NORTHEAST CORNER OF BABCOCK STREET AND VALKYRIE CARRIER ROAD BEFORE USE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP THAT DEPICTS THE OVERALL CONDITIONS OF THE SURROUNDING AREA.AS YOU CAN SEE, IT IS COMMERCIAL TO THE EAST WITH SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL TO THE WEST, COMMERCIAL TO THE NORTH AND COMMERCIAL TO THE SOUTH.
IN PARTICULAR FOR THE ZONING MAP, WE AGAIN SEE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL AS THE DESIGNATION FOR THE AREA IN QUESTION WITH COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL TO THE EAST NORTH NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL TO THE SOUTH AND SE TO RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILIES, TWO TO THE EAST, TO THE WEST. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
FOR YOU IS THE OVERALL SITE PLAN FOR THE OR THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, I SHOULD SAY.
SORRY, THEY HAVE NOT MOVED INTO THE SITE PLAN PHASE YET BECAUSE WE'RE AT THE CONDITIONAL USE. THIS IS THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN FOR THE OVERALL CONDITIONAL USE THAT IS BEING REQUESTED TONIGHT. STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF CONDITIONAL USE NINE 2022 AND DOES REQUEST THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ALSO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS CONDITIONAL USE.
ACCORDING TO CHAPTER ONE 85.087 OF THE PALM BAY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS, AND I DO BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT.
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? QUESTION ARE THERE ANY SPECIAL CONDITIONS ON THIS ONE THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING? NOT IN PARTICULAR IN ACCORDANCE WITH THIS PARTICULAR SITE, JUST THOSE THAT ARE FIXATED IN ACCORDANCE WITH A THROUGH H FOR THE STANDARD APPROVALS FOR CONDITIONAL USES.
THANK YOU. THE APPLICANT OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVE, PLEASE APPROACH THE MICROPHONE.
CROSSOVER COMMERCIAL GROUP 3860 CURTIS BOULEVARD PORTSIDE JOHN, FLORIDA.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT TONIGHT TO ASK THAT YOU WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
WE HAVE ACTUALLY BROUGHT THIS BEFORE THIS BOARD ON TWO OTHER OCCASIONS AND HAD RECEIVED APPROVAL. WE'VE HAD SOME SETBACKS.
THE REASON WE'RE BRINGING IT BACK TO YOU AGAIN IS WE HAD A CHANGE OF USER, A DIFFERENT MAJOR OIL COMPANY THAT'S GOING TO COME IN THERE, WHICH REQUIRED US TO GO BACK IN AND REDO THE SITE PLAN.
OTHERWISE WE WOULD HAVE GONE THROUGH WITH THE OTHER APPROVALS.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF ME OR I'LL SEE IF THERE'S ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.
THE MOTION TO APPROVE. Q NINE 2022.
[NEW BUSINESS]
GOOD EVENING, BOARD MEMBERS.JESSIE ANDERSON, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
BEFORE YOU, WE HAVE CASE NUMBER CP NINE, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT 920 2022.
THE LOCATION IS FOR NORTH OF PORT MALABAR BOULEVARD AND EAST OF CLAREMONT STREET.
IT IS FOR APPROXIMATELY 9.66 ACRES OF LAND.
THE FUTURE LAND USE CURRENTLY IS PUBLIC SEMIPUBLIC AND CONSERVATION USE.
THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS THAT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A SMALL SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT FROM PUBLIC SEMIPUBLIC USE AND CONSERVATION TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. THE LAND IS CURRENTLY VACANT.
ACTUALLY. SORRY, GOING BACK BEFORE YOU, WE DO HAVE THE FUTURE LAND MAP ON YOUR RIGHT HAND SIDE, WHICH DEPICTS WITH THE OVERLAID YELLOW GRAPHIC, THE AREA THAT IS IN QUESTION RIGHT NOW, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE SOUTHEAST EASTERN PORTION IS WHERE WE SEE THE PUBLIC SEMIPUBLIC PORTION AND THE REST OF IT BEING CONSERVATION.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF CORRECTIONS TO THE STAFF REPORT THAT WE DO WANT TO NOTE.
THANKFULLY, THE APPLICANT HAD ALSO BROUGHT THEM TO OUR ATTENTION, SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE
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TO MAKE THAT EVIDENT TONIGHT, ONE OF WHICH IS THE GOPHER TORTOISE PRESENCE.AND THERE WILL BE A MITIGATION FACTOR ASSOCIATED WITH THIS THAT THE APPLICANT CAN, OF COURSE, EXPEL UPON A LITTLE BIT MORE, IF YOU WOULD LIKE.
AND THEN THE OTHER IS THAT THERE WAS A NOTE THAT THERE WAS MULTIFAMILY IN ASSOCIATION WITH THIS PROPERTY AND THERE IS NOT IT IS SINGLE FAMILY ONLY.
SO THAT WAS JUST AN ACCIDENTAL CARRYOVER FROM A PREVIOUS STAFF REPORT.
AND WE DO APOLOGIZE FOR THAT INTERACTION.
THE STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF CP NINE 2022 AND REQUEST THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ALSO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF CP NINE 2022.
STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT.
JUST WANT TO CONFIRM HOW MUCH OF THIS PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY FOR CONSERVATION.
IS THE ENTIRE NINE ACRES OR IT'S.
NO, IT IS NOT THE ENTIRE NINE ACRES.
I WOULD HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK REAL QUICK TO GET THE EXACT ANSWER WE CAN'T HEAR YOU ABOUT.
I WILL MAKE SURE TO SPEAK UP A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR YOU.
SO IN REGARD TO THAT QUESTION, I DO NOT HAVE THE SPECIFICS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I CAN CHECK THEM IN THE STAFF REPORT TO SEE IF THE APPLICATION DID SPECIFY THE PARTICULAR ACREAGE INVOLVED.
AS THIS SPLIT OVER TWO PARCELS, WE DID NOT HAVE THE SPECIFIC ACREAGE ASSOCIATED WITH THE CONSERVATION AT THAT TIME.
SO I WILL DOUBLE CHECK THE STAFF REPORT AND I CAN GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT.
FROM THE DEPICTION BEFORE YOU, IT DOES LOOK ABOUT APPROXIMATELY 33% OF IT IS PUBLIC TO SEMI PUBLIC AND THE REST OF IT BEING CONSERVATION.
COULD YOU CLARIFY SEMIPUBLIC SEMIPUBLIC SOURCE PUBLIC SEMIPUBLIC HAS OPERABILITY OF CERTAIN USES PERTAINING TO WHAT THE PUBLIC MIGHT HAVE AS BENEFITS.
SO FOR INSTANCE, A PRIVATE GOLF COURSE COULD BE LISTED AS A SEMIPUBLIC USE DEPENDING ON THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE GOLF COURSE IN QUESTION.
OF COURSE, OTHER ASPECTS OF SEMI.
IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO CONTINUE, I CAN FURTHER ELABORATE TO.
NO, I GUESS I WANTED TO IN TERMS OF AS IT RELATES TO THE CONSERVATION ASPECT OF IT.
JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE INTENT IS IT IS THIS PROPERTY PROPERTY.
IT'S NOT OWNED BY THE CITY, IT'S OWNED BY THIS INDIVIDUAL.
IT IS OWNED BY AN INDIVIDUAL, NOT BY THE CITY.
I JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THIS PROPERTY WAS IS SET UP.
AS FOR A FUTURE LAND USE, IT DID HAVE THE ASSOCIATION AS CONSERVATION FOR IT IS CURRENTLY A ZONING DISTRICT. IF YOU'D LIKE, I CAN CONTINUE INTO THE CONCURRENT ZONING CASE THAT MIGHT GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE ILLUMINATION ON THE SITUATION.
SO WITH THAT, IT ALSO DOES HAVE A FLOOD AREA, FLOOD CONSERVATION ZONING DISTRICT THAT I'LL GET INTO IN 1/2.
SO HERE BEFORE YOU IS THE CONCURRENT ZONING MAP AMENDMENT CASE, WHICH AGAIN IS LOCATED NORTH OF PORT MALABAR BOULEVARD, EAST OF CLAREMONT STREET, FOR 9.6, SIX ACRES OF LAND.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE ZONING DISTRICT THAT IT CURRENTLY HAS IS INSTITUTIONAL USE AND FLOODWAY CONSERVATION.
SO AGAIN, STAFF DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL ON THIS, BUT TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE MORE UNDERSTANDING OF THE SITUATION AT HAND, THE THE CONSERVATION PORTION OF IT IS A FUTURE LAND USE. SO THAT IS THE DEPICTION OF WHAT WE WERE INTENDING THE AREA TO POTENTIALLY BE 20 YEARS INTO THE FUTURE.
AT THAT GIVEN TIME WHEN WE HAD ASSOCIATED THAT FUTURE LAND USE WITH IT, THE FLOOD CONSERVATION IS MORE OF A 0 TO 5 YEAR TYPE TIME PRESENCE SINCE WE'RE LOOKING AT ZONING AND WE TYPICALLY SEE THAT USE MORE UTILIZED IN A NEAR TERM VISION.
SO WITH THAT, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT A CHANGE FROM CONSERVATION TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, IT WOULD INCREASE THE OVERALL DENSITY AND INTENSITY OF THE AREA OF THE USE.
THEY ARE LOOKING FOR A RURAL SORRY, THEY ARE LOOKING FOR A I GUESS THE RIGHT ONE.
THEY ARE LOOKING FOR A RURAL RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
SO WITH THAT, IT WILL HAVE A LESS INTENSIVE NATURE THAN MOST SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICTS. IT IS THE LEAST INTENSIVE OF THE SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICTS, BUT IT STILL WOULD HAVE THE ASSOCIATION OF THE FUTURE LAND USE FOR SINGLE FAMILY.
I'LL ASK, I'LL ASK MY NEXT QUESTION TO THE THE THE BUILDER.
YEAH. THE CONSERVATION AREA THAT WAS GOING TO BE ONE ACRE HOMES.
THEY SEE THAT MENTIONED IN THERE.
THE CONSERVATION AREA WOULD FOLLOW SUIT WITH THE ONE ACRE HOMES.
YES, FOR THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL.
SO MY NAME IS RICK BELL, REPRESENTING MYSELF AS THE OWNER AND THE APPLICANT.
I HAVE PREPARED SOME MORE DETAILED INFORMATION WHICH WOULD ANSWER A LOT OF YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT PART.
IT'S ACTUALLY NOT A CONSERVATION EASEMENT, IT'S JUST A ZONING CALLED FLOODWAY CONSERVATION, WHICH ARE TWO SEPARATE THINGS.
BUT APPROACH TO OFFER YOU THIS.
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OKAY? YES, I WILL.WHEN I'D HEARD THERE MIGHT BE SOME OPPOSITION, I WANTED TO PUT THIS TOGETHER BECAUSE I BELIEVE IT'LL CLARIFY AND HELP DISPEL SOME MISUNDERSTANDINGS ABOUT THE ZONING AND SUCH.
SO TO BEGIN WITH, JUST SO YOU KNOW, MY VISION AND MY HOPE ON THE ATTACHMENT ONE, THAT'S THE RENDERING OF WHAT I'D LIKE TO BUILD.
MY GOAL IN THIS PROJECT, ONE AND FOREMOST IS TO ENJOY THE PROPERTY FOR MYSELF AND MY FAMILY. SECOND, A CLOSE SECOND IS TO SHARE IT WITH OTHERS, WHICH I'LL DESCRIBE TO YOU HOW I INTEND TO DO THAT THROUGH THIS OWNING DISTRICT.
SO THE ATTACHMENT ONE IS MY VISION FOR WHAT I'D LIKE TO BUILD ON THE PROPERTY.
THE PROPOSED ZONING IS ATTACHMENT TWO.
SO IF WE GO TO THAT, I'VE HIGHLIGHTED SOME OF THE THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO THEN COME BACK TO THE BOARD AND REQUEST THROUGH CONDITIONAL USES.
BY THE WAY. IS THE BOARD FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROPERTY? HAVE YOU SEEN IT BEFORE? ARE YOU KNOW, ARE YOU AWARE OF ITS PROXIMITY TO TURKEY CREEK.
HAVE THIS THE BOARD EVER BEEN INTO THE TURKEY CREEK SANCTUARY BY WAY OF WATER.
SEE, WE KNOW HOW SPECIAL THAT PLACE REALLY IS.
THIS PROPERTY IS IT'S ONE WAY INTO THE CREEK TO THE TURKEY CREEK SANCTUARY IN ONE WAY OUT. AND THIS PROPERTY IS THE FIRST AND THE LAST RIGHT BY THE BRIDGE TO GET TO IT.
SO IT IS AN INTERESTING LOCATION.
I'VE BEEN APPROACHED BY OTHER PEOPLE SUCH AS THE KAYAK CLUBS, THE GROUPS THAT KAYAK, THEY HAVE TO GO AND LAUNCH WEIR PARADISE PADDLES IS I BELIEVE THAT'S THE NAME NEAR U.S.
ONE. AND THEY HAVE TO PADDLE LIKE TWO MILES JUST TO GET TO TURKEY CREEK SANCTUARY.
DON'T HOLD ME THAT TO THE MILES.
I DIDN'T CALCULATE IT, BUT IT'S A DISTANCE.
MY PROPERTY WOULD BE A GREAT LAUNCH POINT FOR THEM AND GIVE SOME OLDER PEOPLE AND PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE THE THE THE DESIRE TO PADDLE FOR HOURS, RATHER THEY CAN JUST GO RIGHT INTO THE TURKEY CREEK SANCTUARY.
BUT THAT'S A DISCUSSION FOR ANOTHER TIME FOR THE CONDITIONAL USES.
BUT CLUBS LODGES IN SIMILAR ACTIVITIES, WHICH IS ON THE SECOND PAGE, NUMBER SIX, STABLES, HORSE RIDING. THERE IS A MILES OF TRAILS THE CITY OWNS ACROSS THE STREET THAT GOES TO MALABAR BOULEVARD FROM THE TURKEY CREEK SANCTUARY.
I WILL IN THE FUTURE, IF I'M SUCCESSFUL, GETTING THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL FROM MY OWN USE ASKS AFTER A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING AND A SKETCH OF A SITE PLAN PER THE INSTRUCTIONS OF THE CITY. ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER SOME OF THESE CONDITIONAL USES SUCH AS THAT THE PROPERTY ALSO WOULD BE ALLOWED FOR PUBLIC USES IF YOU WERE TO APPROVE IT.
I WANT TO POINT OUT THIS PROPERTY IS RATHER SPECIAL ALSO NOT JUST BECAUSE OF ITS LOCATION ON TURKEY CREEK, BUT IT IS A LOT OF ACREAGE.
THERE'S ELEVATION CHANGES AND IT'S SURROUNDED BY NATURE PRESERVE.
SO IT'S RATHER PRETTY AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD DESTINATION POINT AND HELP MAYBE BE A LANDMARK FOR THE CITY AND I'D LIKE TO BE A PART OF THAT MAKING THAT HAPPEN.
THE THIRD ATTACHMENT ARE THE USES FOR THE EXISTING ZONING AND THAT WILL SHOULD HELP ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS THAT WERE RAISED ALREADY FROM THE BOARD IN THE FLOODWAY CONSERVATION DISTRICT.
THERE ARE ALLOWANCES AND YOU CAN SEE THAT ON THAT ATTACHMENT AND I'VE HIGHLIGHTED SOME OF THE THINGS THAT IS ALREADY PERMITTED.
THE DIFFERENCE IS FLOODWAY CONSERVATION IS PAIRED MORE WITH COMMERCIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. A GROUP HOME.
A GROUP HOME IS SOMETHING THAT'S PERMITTED UNDER THE INSTITUTIONAL ZONING, WHICH IS ALSO INCLUDED IN THAT ATTACHMENT.
SO IT'S ALSO INTERESTING TO NOTE THAT ONE OF THE CONDITIONAL USES IN THE FLOODWAY CONSERVATION DISTRICT IS YOU'LL SEE, IS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, PUBLIC FACILITIES, BOAT RAMPS AND DOCKS, CAMPING AREAS, PAVILIONS, BOARDWALKS.
THERE IS NOTHING THAT, IN MY REQUEST FOR RURAL RESIDENTIAL THAT I WOULD BE ENTITLED TO TO DO THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S ALREADY ALLOWED UNDER THE FLOODWAY CONSERVATION DISTRICT. IT'S JUST THAT IT WOULD ALLOW ME TO DO IT AS A RESIDENT INSTEAD OF HAVING A
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COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.SO I THINK THAT SHOULD DISPEL SOME OF THE MISUNDERSTANDINGS, PERHAPS THE NEIGHBORS AND SOME OF THE PUBLIC MIGHT HAVE, AS YOU MIGHT HEAR AFTER MY PRESENTATION.
ON THE ATTACHMENT NUMBER FOUR, YOU ASKED ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF LAND THAT'S ACTUALLY ZONED FLOODWAY CONSERVATION, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT WITHIN THE DIMENSION OF WHAT I MARKED WITH A SHARPIE. NOW THAT'S AS YOU CAN TELL BY THE STRAIGHT LINES.
IT'S JUST A IT WAS JUST A DISCRETIONARY LINE.
IT DIDN'T PERTAIN TO ANYTHING.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO PERTAIN TO WETLANDS.
SO ON THE NEXT ATTACHMENT ON ATTACHMENT FIVE IS A MAP OF THE WETLAND LINE.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WITH YOUR APPROVAL FOR RURAL RESIDENTIAL, THAT DOES NOT ALLOW ME TO BUILD ON WETLANDS.
THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION STILL HAS THE SAY SO ON WHAT HAPPENS ON THAT PROPERTY, AND THEY DON'T ALLOW BUILDING ON IT.
THEY DO ALLOW DOCS UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES.
BUT YOU CAN SEE THERE'S STILL A MAJORITY OF THAT PROPERTY THAT WILL REMAIN WETLAND.
AND FOR ME, I LIKE IT FOR LANDSCAPING, BUT IT DOESN'T ALLOW FOR BUILDING.
SO I DON'T WANT PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC TO THINK JUST BY CHANGING THE ZONING FROM FLOODWAY CONSERVATION TO RURAL RESIDENTIAL THAT THERE'S ANY ALLOWANCE FOR ANY ADDITIONAL BUILDING BECAUSE THERE'S NOT NOT WITHOUT DEPARTMENT ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION SAY SO.
AND THAT'S JUST AS WELL AS ST JOHN'S RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, WHO HAS CONTROL OF THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT THAT THE CITY OWNS AND THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS.
ON THE NEXT PAGE ON ATTACHMENT SIX.
THIS IS I WANT IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WILL PROBABLY BE BROUGHT UP BECAUSE I'VE REMOVED A LOT OF THE BRAZILIAN PEPPER TREES.
IS THE BOARD FAMILIAR WITH BRAZILIAN PEPPERS? OCH, THEY'RE AN INVASIVE SPECIES AND THEY ACT LIKE WEEDS AND THEY SUFFOCATE AND THEY DESTROY SOME OF THE ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS.
I DID A GOOD THING. AND SOME OF THE ENVIRONMENTALISTS, IF I MAY, QUOTES THAT IT WARMS ITS HEART TO SEE WHAT KIND OF WORK I HAD DONE THERE.
BUT FOR YOUR EDIFICATION ON ATTACHMENT SIX, THIS IS WHAT THE PROPERTY LOOKED LIKE ALONG THE SHORELINE BEFORE I PURCHASED IT.
THERE'S TWO PICTURES THERE, WHICH WITH THESE BRAZILIAN PEPPERS, IT'S TYPICAL OF WHAT A LOT OF THE WATERWAYS LOOK LIKE.
FORTUNATELY, THE CITY TAKES GOOD CARE OF THE TURKEY CREEK SANCTUARY, AND THAT'S THAT.
THEY'VE REMOVED BRAZILIAN PEPPERS.
AND SO YOU'RE LEFT WITH JUST NATIVE SPECIES, OAKS, MAPLES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
ON ATTACHMENT SEVEN, YOU'LL SEE WHAT THE WORK ENDED UP LOOKING LIKE WHEN I COMPLETED IT.
BASICALLY YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF MAPLE TREES AND OAKS AND PALMS, THINGS YOU COULDN'T SEE IN THE FIRST PICTURE BEFORE THE WORK WAS DONE.
AND MOVING FORWARD, YOU'LL SEE THAT I EVEN SORTED THE BRIDGE PRESSURE.
CLEAN THE AREA AND THE BRIDGE.
I WANT TO BRING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION, BECAUSE THERE MIGHT BE CONTROVERSY ON WHETHER OR NOT THE WORK WAS, IN FACT, BEAUTIFICATION, AS I THINK IT IS, AND SO MANY OTHERS HAVE TOLD ME. BUT STILL, SOME NEIGHBORS MIGHT HAVE PREFERRED THE.
THEIR PRIVACY WITH WITH THE WAY IT WAS.
BUT THE CITY ALSO FAVORS THE REMOVAL OF BRAZILIAN PEPPERS.
AND THAT'S WHY I'VE INCLUDED THIS ATTACHMENT IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND IF YOU GO TO THE THIRD PAGE, THE IN THAT THE FOURTH PAGE AND THAT ATTACHMENT I'VE CHECKED OFF WHERE IT ACTUALLY STATES REGARDING BRAZILIAN PEPPERS REMOVAL OF THESE PLANTS IS ENCOURAGED SINCE THEY DISPLACE NATIVE SPECIES.
I'VE ALSO HAD COMPLEMENTARY COMPLEMENTS.
THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT HAVE ACTUALLY COME ONTO MY PROPERTY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY, AND I'VE ACCOMMODATED THEM TO SHARE WITH THEM WHAT I'M DOING.
BUT THEY'VE BEEN CONCERNED BECAUSE IT IS A HIGH PROFILE LOT.
SO WHEN THEY SEE TREES REMOVED AND WORK AND THINGS TAKING PLACE, MAYBE THEY'RE ASSUMING THE WORST. BUT MY INTENTIONS ARE TO DO A GOOD THING.
SO THE FINAL ATTACHMENT IS JUST TO SHARE WITH YOU THE BRICK HOUSE THAT IS NEXT TO THE PROPERTY THAT I OWN.
I APPROACHED THE BOARD A YEAR AGO FOR APPROVAL TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM THIS FROM INSTITUTIONAL TO A RESIDENTIAL SO I COULD LIVE THERE.
AND THE REASON ALL THIS IS TAKING PLACE IS BECAUSE THE CHURCH SOLD ME THE PROPERTY A YEAR AGO AND THE CHURCH IS OWNED, INSTITUTIONAL, AND NOW THAT I OWN IT, THAT ZONING ISN'T WHAT I WOULD PREFER TO GO WITH, EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE SOME THINGS I COULD DO TO MAKE MONEY WITH IT. AGAIN, I WANT TO JUST ENJOY THE PROPERTY WITH MY FAMILY AND AGAIN COME BACK TO YOU WITH IDEAS FOR SOME CONDITIONAL USES, INCLUDING SOMETHING THAT I DIDN'T MENTION ALREADY, WHICH IS TO ASK THAT THE CITY ALLOW FOR A BED AND BREAKFAST TO BE UNDER THAT ZONING DISTRICT, BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO HAVE BUILD BED AND BREAKFAST CALLED TURKEY CREEK IN
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AS A WAY I CAN SHARE THE CREEK AND THE NATURE AND THE CITY AND HOPEFULLY CASH FLOW SOMEWHAT AND BRING VALUE TO OTHERS.SO THAT'S MY REQUEST AND I HOPE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
MAN. MAY I DO THAT NOW? CAN I JUST GIVE YOU TWO COPIES? OH. I WISH I KNEW UP FRONT. THEN THEY COULD HAVE FOLLOWED ALONG, BUT.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? IS THIS.
SO I JUST WANT TO GET CLARIFICATION.
SO YOU CURRENTLY LIVE OUT THE PROPERTY? I'M REMODELING THE BRICK HOUSE.
IT'S ACTUALLY GUTTED, SO I'M NOT REALLY HAVING SEO YET.
BUT YEAH, I INTEND TO LIVE THERE.
OKAY. AND THEN YOU WANT US TO GIVE YOU A ZONING CHANGE SO YOU CAN BUILD HOW MANY OTHER UNITS? I PURCHASED THIS LAND FROM THE CHURCH IN THREE SEPARATE PARCELS.
ONE WAS JUST A THIRD OF AN ACRE OF THE HOUSE, ONLY WHICH WE'VE ALREADY RE ZONED A RESIDENTIAL. THEN THERE WERE TWO REMAINING VACANT LANDS ONE APPROXIMATELY THREE ACRES, THE OTHER ONE APPROXIMATELY SEVEN ACRES, WHICH IS THE COMBINED VACANT LANDS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS EVENING.
AND AS THAT WITH THIS APPROVAL, IT WOULD ENTITLE ME TO BUILD ONE HOME ON EACH OF THOSE VACANT LANDS, WHICH WOULD BE TWO HOMES.
ALTHOUGH THE CITY DOES ALLOW AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE UP TO 800 SQUARE FEET FOR ANY RESIDENCE IN THE CITY.
SO I COULD MAKE A LITTLE ADDITIONAL ACCESSORY MOTHER IN LAW SUITE KIND OF THING WITH THAT ZONING, ANYTHING ELSE WOULD WOULD.
IF I WANTED TO BUILD MORE THAN THAT, I WOULD HAVE TO SUBDIVIDE AND THEN ASK FOR APPROVALS. THAT'S NOT MY INTENTION.
I HOPE I CAN MAKE THIS WORK ON MY OWN AND JUST HAVE YOU LOOKING TO BUILD THREE ADDITIONAL HOMES. WELL, ACTUALLY TWO AND THEN UP TO 800 SQUARE FEET AS AN ACCESSORY TO THOSE HOMES.
AND THEN YOU MENTIONED AND THAT'S WHERE I GUESS CONFUSED ME.
THEN YOU MENTION IT IN A THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO BUILD AND CALL IT TURKEY CREEK IN A BED AND BREAKFAST.
WHERE IS THIS GOING TO BE WHEN YOU ALREADY BUILT THE TWO? WELL, NO, MY WHAT I WANT TO BUILD IS A BIG HOUSE.
I WON'T BUILD IT UNTIL I RE IF I'M SUCCESSFUL WITH THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL, I THEN WANT TO PLAN. I WANT TO COME BACK TO YOU AND ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER THE CONDITIONAL USES I'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED AS WELL IS ALLOWING A BED AND BREAKFAST TO BE PERMITTED IN THAT ZONING DISTRICT. SO IT'D BE A BIG HOUSE WITH MAYBE TEN BEDROOMS AND I COULD RENT.
YOU KNOW, BY THE ROOM, YOU KNOW, FOR THE NIGHT.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE OR NOT? I'M HEARING I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WERE SAYING.
SO YOU WANT NOW TEN ROOMS TO BE ON THE SAME? WELL, THAT YOU COULD.
I MEAN, I WOULD BE ENTITLED TO BUILD A HOUSE LIKE ANYBODY COULD, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY HAVE A VACANT LAND.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS A RATHER LARGE PIECE OF LAND.
I WOULDN'T NEED TEN BEDROOMS UNLESS I HAVE A BED AND BREAKFAST APPROVAL, BUT THAT IS A DESIGN THAT I HAD WORKED ON FOR A LONG TIME AND I'D LIKE TO BUILD IT ON THIS PROPERTY.
INTENSE. DON'T HOLD ME THAT EITHER.
I MEAN, THAT'S JUST THE NUMBER OF MY HEAD RIGHT NOW.
AND YOU ARE NOT LOOKING TO MITIGATE ANY OF THE WETLANDS.
YOU JUST YOU YOU'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE THAT THERE AS CONSERVATION AREA.
WHEN YOU SAY MITIGATE, I WANT TO BUILD A SEAWALL, A LOT OF PEOPLE MIGHT END UP TALKING ABOUT EROSION HERE. I THINK A SEAWALL COULD HELP PREVENT EROSION, BUT A LIVING SEAWALL, THAT'S THE THING THEY DO NOW WITH CREATING MORE, YOU KNOW, LIFE IN THE SEA WITH OYSTER BEDS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. BUT THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO WITH THAT UNTIL THE DEPARTMENT OF MENTAL PROTECTION WERE TO APPROVE IT.
SO I WOULD NEED TO APPROACH THEM WITH AN ENVIRONMENTALIST AND A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER AND REQUEST TO CONSIDER ALLOWING ME TO DO A DOC AND SUCH.
WE'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO RESPOND AT THE END.
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MY QUESTION WAS, CAN I SPEAK NEITHER IN FAVOR OR AGAINST AND JUST ASK SOME QUESTIONS AND JUST. OR.OKAY. ROSITA COTTON 813 SADNESS CIRCLE PALM BAY.
I CAN SHOW YOU EXACTLY WHERE I LIVE ON THAT MAP THERE.
ALL RIGHT. SO WE LIVE IN THE SECOND HOUSE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE CREEK.
WE'VE LIVED THERE FOR 34 YEARS.
WE'VE BEEN BLESSED TO HAVE OUR PRIVACY.
I WILL ADMIT THAT I THINK WE ARE MORE AFFECTED THAN ANYBODY ELSE IN THIS ROOM.
THE ONLY OTHER PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE AS AFFECTED AS OUR NEIGHBOR DIRECTLY NEXT TO US THERE. AND I AM NOT OPPOSED TO THE ZONING CHANGE.
I. AND I'VE WE'VE MET WITH RICK, AND I THINK HE'S AN HONORABLE MAN.
WHAT I WOULD ASK IS, CAN WE GET WHAT HE'S PRESENTED TO YOU? I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE HAD THAT AHEAD OF TIME AND BE ABLE TO HAVE HAVE HIM BE ABLE TO SHOW THE SLIDES SO THAT EVERYONE IN THE ROOM CAN SEE THAT.
BUT COULD HE DO THAT AS A BINDING DEVELOPMENT PLAN? I KNOW WHAT HE INTENDS, AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING.
I THINK I WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT IF HE CAN SHOW US ON THAT MAP WHERE HE WOULD LIKE TO PUT THE BED AND BREAKFAST AND THAT ONE OTHER HOME AND JUST ASK THAT IT BE A BINDING DEVELOPMENT PLAN SO EVERYBODY KNOWS THINGS CHANGE AND.
I WOULD AGREE WITH WHAT HE'S PLANNING, BUT I WOULDN'T AGREE WITH ONE HOUSE PER ACRE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO NOTE THAT I WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WETLANDS REMAIN WETLANDS THAT THE FLOOD CONSERVATIVE AREA REMAIN FLOOD CONSERVATION AREA.
AND THEN WE'VE BEEN AROUND THIS PROPERTY.
AND BEFORE HE PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY, THERE WAS SO MUCH JUNK, A LOT OF GARBAGE THERE.
JUST HOARDERS, JUST BEING AROUND THAT AREA.
AND WHEN I SAW THIS MAN PRESSURE WASHED AND DO ALL OF THIS, I THOUGHT IT WAS THE CITY DOING SOME KIND OF BIG DEVELOPMENT THERE.
AND WHEN I HEARD THAT IT WAS SOMEONE ELSE DOING THIS, I SAID HE WAS HE WAS CRAZY.
SO I AM HONORED TO MEET THIS CRAZY MAN TODAY.
SO I ESSENTIALLY I HAVE TO SAY THANK.
BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST.
I WAS TRYING TO TAKE NOTES AS THIS PERSON WAS PRESENTING THEIR CASE TO THE INS, SO MY NOTES WERE KIND OF JUMBLED AND MIS ORIENTATED.
I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT OUT FRONT.
I IS SEMI IN PUBLIC USE EVERYTHING THAT HE'S REQUESTING THAT IS ALREADY AUTHORIZED BY THE CURRENT ZONING OF IT.
THE CONSERVATION LAND WOULD STILL BE AS CONSERVATION LAND.
EVERYTHING HE'S ASKING FOR, HE COULD ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISH NOW THERE IS NO REASON TO RE
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CHANGE IT CONVERTING TO RURAL RESIDENTIAL THAT WOULD ALLOW NINE POINT POTENTIALLY 9.6 HOMES THAT COULD HAVE BEEN BUILT ON THIS PROPERTY AS IT'S AN RR LAND, NOT JUST ONE HOME.IT COULD BE POTENTIALLY 9.6 HOMES KEEP THE FLOODWAY CONSERVATION AREA AS DESIGNATED BECAUSE THERE'S A REASON IT WAS PRE DESIGNATED AS CONSERVATION AREA AND THAT WAS TO PROTECT THE AREA, NOT TO MAKE IT A PRIVATE OWNER'S COMMERCIAL BUSINESS.
IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE IF THE PUBLIC WOULD HAVE HAD ACCESS TO WHAT HE WAS PRESENTING TO THIS CASE FOR P AND Z.
LIKE YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN PRESENTED SINCE IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING, SHOULD HAVE BEEN PRESENTED UNDER THE END OF THE PACKET THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED FOR US TO REVIEW.
SO WHAT WE KNEW, WHAT THE INDIVIDUAL WAS TALKING ABOUT, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE.
BOTTOM LINE IS EVERYTHING THIS INDIVIDUAL IS REQUESTING HE CAN ALREADY DO BECAUSE HIS LAND MASS IS ALREADY DESIGNATED UNDER SEMI AND SEMI-PRIVATE AND HE HAS HIS OWN RESIDENCE THAT HE COULD CONVERT INTO A BED AND BREAKFAST AREA.
SO THERE SHOULD BE NO REASON TO CHANGE THIS LAND.
THANK YOU. I HAVE A CARD FILLED OUT.
I'M KAREN LUDEMAN. I LIVE AT 911 SUN SWEPT ROAD, PART OF THE HIGHLAND SHORES ESTATES.
I'M ALSO ONE HOUSE OUTSIDE OF THE TURKEY CREEK DEVELOPMENT.
I CAN TELL YOU FOR MYSELF AND FOR MY NEIGHBORS, WE ARE VERY AGAINST THE ZONING CHANGE BECAUSE OF THE CONSERVATION, ZONING, THE FLOODWAYS.
MANY OF THE HOUSES HAVE HAD ISSUES WITH FLOODING.
WE'VE LIVED THERE FOR 30 YEARS AND WE PURCHASED THAT LAND ON THE TURKEY CREEK BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT THE LAND ACROSS FROM US WAS WETLANDS.
WELL, NOW THAT MR. PREBLE HAS ALREADY WENT IN AND CLEARED THAT LAND, I KNOW HE TALKED A LOT ABOUT CLEARING THE BRAZILIAN PEPPERS, BUT HE CLEARED A LOT MORE THAN THAT.
SO ALL OF US THAT LIVE THERE CAN TELL YOU WE CAN HEAR THE TRAFFIC WE COULD NEVER HEAR BEFORE. IT'S NOT A QUIET AREA THAT WE HAD BEFORE THE SANCTUARY.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE SANCTUARY ACROSS PORT MALABAR.
IT'S VERY CONCERNING THAT HE HAS ALREADY CLEARED THAT AND THAT HE CLEARED THE CITY OF PALM BAY LAND, WHICH I'D LIKE TO REALLY UNDERSTAND HOW THAT HAPPENED.
AND HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN FINE, POTENTIALLY JAIL FOR THAT ACTION.
I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF REPORTS AND STUDIES HAVE BEEN DONE ON THAT.
HAS ANYONE GONE OUT AND DONE A STUDY OF WHAT LIVES THERE? BECAUSE WE KNOW. BECAUSE WE SEE IT EVERY DAY.
I KNOW THE LAND THAT THAT WAS CLEARED WHERE HE'S TALKING ABOUT HAVING A LAUNCH THAT'S ALREADY STARTING TO WASH AWAY, ESPECIALLY THE LAST WEEK.
SO I KNOW HE SAID HE DID A SERVICE TO EVERYBODY, BUT WHAT IS THAT DOING TO THE ENVIRONMENT? WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THE NEXT HURRICANE? I REALLY AM CONFUSED ON WHAT THE PLANS ARE FOR THIS LAND.
WE HEARD ABOUT A BOAT LAUNCH, WHICH, BY THE WAY, THERE'S PLENTY OF BOAT LAUNCHES CLOSER THAN THE ONE THAT HE REFERENCED.
WHAT IS WHAT IS THE REAL PLAN? AND I DON'T THINK BEING A RESIDENTS OF PALM BAY, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH CONSERVATION LAND.
AND THERE ISN'T ENOUGH PROTECTED LAND.
SO I THINK IT WOULD BE A REAL DISSERVICE TO EVERYONE IN THIS AREA FOR ANY OF US AND FOR THE COUNCIL TO AGREE TO ANY REZONING THAT REDUCES OUR CONSERVATION LAND.
I LIVE ON SUNSET ROAD, PALM BAY.
I'VE LIVED THERE. MY TWO KIDS HAVE GROWN UP THERE.
WE'VE LIVED THERE FOR NEARLY 30 YEARS.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT TURKEY CREEK PRESERVE AND THAT LAND AROUND THERE IS A JEWEL FOR PALM BAY AND SOMETHING FOR PALM BAY TO BE SUPER PROUD OF.
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I DON'T SEE HOW CHANGING LAND FROM CONSERVATION AND I HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE FACT THAT THIS LAND HAS BEEN CLEARED DOWN TO TURKEY CREEK, NOT JUST PEPPER TREES REMOVED.I MEAN, THERE HAVE BEEN HUGE MACHINES IN THERE, MEN DIGGING OUT TREES.
I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT A PEPPER TREE IS AND THAT'S NOT WHAT'S BEEN CLEARED OUT OF THIS LAND.
AND THE FACT THAT HE DID THAT BEFORE ZONING WAS EVEN DONE.
THIS PERSON IS NOT A LOCAL PERSON.
HE'S A PROPERTY DEVELOPER FROM BOCA RATON WHO HAS COME UP HERE TO STEAL AND AND TAKE CONTROL OF A BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL AREA THAT PEOPLE GO INTO THE PALM BAY MARINA.
THEY COME IN, THEY KAYAK AROUND AND HAVE A GREAT TIME SEEING THE WILDLIFE.
WE HEARD TODAY ONE HOUSE PER ACRE.
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE HORSE POOP THAT'S GOING TO RUN INTO THE CREEK? WE HEARD PUBLIC CLUB.
WE HEARD PUBLIC AGAIN AND WE HEARD WEDDING VENUE.
THEN WE HEARD B AND B, THEN WE HEARD CAMPING, THEN TURN IT INTO A BUSINESS.
THESE ARE DIRECT QUOTES OF WHAT WE HEARD TONIGHT, AND IT'S SHAMEFUL THAT WE IN PALM BAY ARE GOING TO LET AN OUTSIDER COME IN AND CHANGE OUR ZONING.
AND IT'S SHAMEFUL THAT WE ALLOWED HIM TO CLEAR THE LAND WITHOUT MAKING ANY CHANGES FOR THE GOPHER TORTOISES THAT LIVE IN THEIR.
ANYTHING THAT GOES DOWN TO THE CREEK.
I THINK IT'S ABSOLUTELY OUTRAGEOUS.
AND MY PROBLEM IS AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE EVERYONE'S PROBLEM, THAT IF THIS PERSON HAS THE TENACITY TO GO AHEAD AND DO WHAT HE'S DONE ALREADY, WHAT ARE HIS PLANS GOING TO BE? BECAUSE THEY'RE SO VAGUE, THEY CAN BE ANYTHING AS SOON AS THIS ISN'T CONSERVATION.
THEY CAN LITERALLY BE ANYTHING.
I MEAN, THINK THINK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING TO GO INTO THE WATER.
AND THINK ABOUT IF IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT A SEA WALL IN ALONG THAT WHOLE PROPERTY, IMAGINE THE CRAP THAT'S GOING TO GO IN THERE.
AND THE GENTLEMAN WHO SAID THAT THIS WAS A FILTHY AREA, I KAYAKED THAT REGULARLY.
I HAVE NEVER SEEN TRASH IN THAT AREA.
I HAVE NEVER SEEN FILTH IN THAT AREA OR LITTER I DID WHEN IT WAS BEING CLEARED BY THIS PERSON'S MEN.
IF YOU LOOK FROM ABOVE, WHY IS IT THAT THERE ARE ALREADY LOOKS LIKE NEIGHBOR HOUSE PATHWAYS OR DRIVEWAYS ALREADY SITUATED? IS THERE ALREADY POWER IN THERE? BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THAT THERE ARE LITTLE WHITE PIPES STANDING UP EVERYWHERE.
AND I WOULD I THINK IT'S REALLY INTERESTING TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
AND I REALLY BELIEVE THAT ALL OF US ARE COMPLETELY AGAINST THE REZONING.
YEAH. MY NAME IS GREG CLIFFORD AND I LIVE AT 961 SUN SWEPT ROAD.
SHOULD TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO MAINTAIN CONTROL OF THIS CONSERVATION AREA AND NOT LEAVE IT UP TO ST JOHNS WATER MANAGEMENT, NOT LEAVE IT UP TO THE EPA, BUT PROTECT TURKEY CREEK.
AND IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THIS DEVELOPER IS NOT INTENT ON PROTECTING THE CREEK.
I MEAN, HONESTLY, A TEN BEDROOM HOME IS A RURAL HOUSE.
AND HE WANTS A TEN BEDROOM BED AND BREAKFAST ON THIS PROPERTY.
WITH PARKING LOTS AND ALL THAT.
I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT TO ASK YOURSELF.
THIS IS NOT THE LAST TIME HE'S GOING TO BE BEFORE THIS BOARD.
ASKING FOR MORE AND MORE AND MORE.
SO MAINTAIN CONTROL OF THIS PROPERTY.
FOR YOUR CITIZENS OF PALM BAY.
THERE'S NOTHING ELSE LIKE IT IN THAT AREA.
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THE PODIUM. MY NAME IS MARY SCHIAVO, AND I LIVE AT 1003 CITRUS AVENUE IN TURKEY CREEK.I LIVE ONE BLOCK UP FROM ALL THESE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON THE CREEK.
I HAVE A BROTHER THAT LIVES ON SUN SWEPT DOWN NEAR THE END AND I HAVE LIVED THERE FOR OVER 30 YEARS, AS HAS MY FAMILY MEMBER.
AND WHEN I TELL YOU THIS IS A VERY FRAGILE ENVIRONMENTAL AREA, IT IS.
AND EVERYTHING I KEEP HEARING SCARES ME BECAUSE IT IS.
WE'RE VERY BLESSED TO HAVE IT.
AND THERE ARE, AS SOMEBODY SAID, IT'S NOT JUST THE MARINA.
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS GO ACROSS THE STREET ON PORT MALABAR AND THERE IS A KAYAK LAUNCH RIGHT THERE. SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE AN HOUR AND A HALF, AS HE STATED, TO BE ABLE TO ENJOY THAT AREA.
THANK YOU. PLEASE DO NOT ALLOW THIS.
MY NAME IS OLLIE JOHNSON, AND I WAS THE PARK RANGER AT TURKEY CREEK SANCTUARY FOR 23 YEARS. AND THIS WHOLE AREA IS CONSIDERED A A FLOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT. AND, YOU KNOW, IT WAS MADE THAT DESIGNATED THAT.
LET ME JUST READ YOU WHAT THAT MEANS.
IT'S INTENDED TO PROTECT PERSONS AND PROPERTY FROM THE HAZARDS OF FLOODING.
AND TO CONSERVE IMPORTANT NATURAL RESOURCES FOR ECOLOGICAL PURPOSES, OPEN SPACE AND THE ENJOYMENT AND EDUCATION.
A PRESENT AND FUTURE RESIDENTS, A SEAWALL AND A TED BED AT TED TEN ROOM BED AND BREAKFAST AND A KAYAK LAUNCH.
NOW THAT THE KAYAK LAUNCH JUST UNDERNEATH THE BRIDGE UP IN TURKEY CREEK THAT I BUILT.
AND THAT'S AND THEN THERE'S ONE AT THERE'S A NUMBER OF THEM DOWN AT THE AT POLLOCK PARK AND AT CASTAWAYS POINT AND AT THE CAPTAIN'S HOUSE.
LAUNCHES. WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER LAUNCH THERE.
PLUS. HE HAS WENT WAY BEYOND HIS PROPERTY, IF YOU LOOK.
WHERE THE BRIDGES AND THE YELLOW.
AND THEN THERE'S THAT SHIP GOING UP.
HE IS GOING WAY, WAY OUT AND HAS NOT ONLY TAKEN OUT BRAZILIAN PEPPER TREES, BUT MAPLE TREES AND COASTAL WILLOWS.
AND THAT IS THE CITY OF PALM BAY LAND.
THIS LAND AND THE LAND ON THAT'S FACING SUNSET, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S.
THANK YOU. I'LL FILL THIS OUT.
I'M FROM MELBOURNE SO I DON'T KNOW IF I'M SUPPOSED TO TALKED TO.
HELLO. I'M DAVID MONTGOMERY FROM PALM BAY LIVE ON CONNECT ROAD.
COTTON SAID AND MS. LUDEMAN SAID ARE VERY ON TARGET.
WHAT I SAID I WOULD REQUEST THAT THE BOARD DENY APPROVAL OF CP NINE, 2022 AND CP Z NINE 2022. I BELIEVE THERE'S A CONFUSION HERE.
IF YOU LOOK AT WETLAND MAPS FROM US GEOLOGICAL SURVEY OR FISH AND WILDLIFE SERVICE, THE YELLOW PORTION, WHICH IS.
PARCEL. 756 IT'S ALMOST ALL COASTAL, IT'S ALL WETLAND BASICALLY.
SO THE COMBINING OF PARCEL 756 AND IMPROPERLY ON THE AGENDA IS LISTED AS PARCEL 763.
THE WHAT'S THE BLUE ON THIS MAP IS FORTUNATELY WE HAVE THIS MAP UP HERE IS, IS CONFUSING
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THE ISSUES. I BELIEVE MR. PREBBLE HAS GOT GOOD INTENTIONS.HE WANTS TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
HE DID, AS ALI POINTED OUT, PROBABLY IN ERROR, TAKE WILLOWS OUT AND MAPLES OUT AT THE SAME TIME. AND THERE'S BEEN A FEW LIVE OAKS THAT HAVE COME OUT TOO, ALONG WITH THE PEPPER TREES. BUT IT WAS, I BELIEVE, IN GOOD INTENTION.
COTTON HAD RECOMMENDED IS THE RIGHT APPROACH, THAT MR. PRIVE WILL COME BACK WITH A EITHER A BINDING DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON PARCEL 763 OR A PROPOSED USE OF PARCEL 756 WITH SOME SORT OF INDICATION OF WHAT'S INTENDED HERE.
THAT'S ALL I REQUEST THE BE DENIED IN THE SENSE THAT RIGHT NOW WE'RE COMBINING PARCELS 763 AND 756 TOGETHER, WHICH IS INCLUDING A WETLAND ON 756.
HI. MY NAME IS CHARLOTTE BAUER.
I'M JUST CUT OFF THE MAP THERE, BUT I'VE CANOED PAST THIS PROPERTY 8000 TIMES.
WE HAD A MANATEE DEATH ON THIS CREEK LAST YEAR.
I'M GOING TO POINT OUT ON THE MAP EXACTLY WHERE IT WAS.
YES. I JUST WANT TO MAKE THE POINT THAT IF THERE IS ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT, WE SHOULD HAVE VERY, VERY STRICT LANDSCAPING RESTRICTIONS, NO NEW SOD, NOTHING THAT CAN CONTRIBUTE TO THE ONGOING ENVIRONMENTAL DISASTER, THE MANATEES, STARVATION.
ALSO I HAVE I SAW THE THE LAND CLEARING WAS NOT JUST PEPPER TREES.
THE EROSION WASN'T AN ISSUE UNTIL THIS WEEK WITH ALL THE RAINS, HE TOOK OUT THE PEPPER TREES AND THEN DIDN'T PLANT MANGROVES IMMEDIATELY.
THAT TELLS ME HE IS NOT A RESPONSIBLE STEWARD OF THE LAND.
EXCELLENT POINTS FOR ME THAT THERE ARE ENOUGH NEW LAUNCHES.
THERE'S ONE IN TURKEY CREEK SANCTUARY THAT YOU CAN WALK UP TO.
AND THEN THERE IS ONE JUST FURTHER UP THE CREEK AT BIANCA BOAT RAMP THAT YOU CAN PARK AT.
AND IT'S YOU CAN DRIVE RIGHT UP TO IT, GET YOUR BOAT IN THE WATER AND THEN GO PARK.
UM. WHEN THE LAND WAS CLEARED, THERE WERE LARGE MACHINES AND IT IS GOPHER TORTOISE AREA.
THEY CROSS FROM TURKEY CREEK SANCTUARY ONTO THIS PROPERTY RIGHT WHERE HE'S PLANNING TO CONSTRUCT. REGULARLY THEY CAN SEE THEY CAN BE SEEN CROSSING FROM THE SANCTUARY ONTO THIS LAND ON A REGULAR BASIS.
AND WHEN HE BROUGHT WHEN HE DID THE CLEARING, THE HEAVY MACHINERY WAS ABSOLUTELY DESTRUCTIVE TO THEIR THEIR HABITAT.
WHEN THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON COUNCIL DOES THEIR LARGE SCALE PEPPER REMOVAL TREE PROJECTS, THEY GO IN WITH MANPOWER AND CHAINSAWS AND THEY DO IT BY HAND.
THERE'S THERE'S A WAY TO DO IT.
AND THEN THEY IMMEDIATELY REPLANT THE MANGROVES.
THERE'S A RESPONSIBLE WAY TO DO WHAT HE DID.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? MY PAPER. I'M LISA RICHARDSON.
I LIVE AT 845 DANCE CIRCLE BOMBAY.
I. I'VE BEEN WATCHING, ASKING.
I HEARD ALL THE LITTLE SCUTTLEBUTT ABOUT BED AND BREAKFASTS AND HOUSES AND THIS AND THAT.
I GREW UP IN THIS PLACE FROM THE TIME PALM BAY WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1959.
MY GRANDMA BOUGHT A HOUSE AND NOW I LIVE ON THE CREEK.
I AM REALLY WORRIED OF WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE ENVIRONMENT, THE NOISE LEVEL.
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JUST WE CAN'T FIT THESE PEOPLE.AND DID YOU FILL OUT A COMMON CARD? COMMENT CARD. OH.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? SEEING DONE WITH THE APPLICANT.
AND THERE'S A LOT TO RESPOND TO.
THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF MOMENTUM YOU'RE HEARING ABOUT WHY NOT TO APPROVE THIS REQUEST.
LET ME JUST BACK UP. FIRST OF ALL, JUST TO CLEAR THE AIR.
I AM FROM BOCA, BUT I'M A I LIVE IN MY PERMANENT HOMESTEAD RESIDENCE IS IN PALM BAY.
JUST I'M MORE COMFORTABLE IN THIS AREA.
I'M NOT IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY.
THERE'S ANYWAY, I LOVE THIS PLACE.
I FELL IN LOVE WITH TURKEY CREEK.
I FELL IN LOVE WITH THIS PROPERTY.
I FEEL BLESSED TO HAVE THAT PROPERTY.
AND YES, I'M BELIEVING I'M A GOOD STEWARD OF WHAT WORK HAS BEEN TAKING PLACE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THE NEIGHBORS ARE CONCERNED ANY TIME THERE'S NEW DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN EXPECT PEOPLE TO BE CONCERNED.
WHERE I COME FROM, MOSTLY PEOPLE TAKE A PIECE OF LAND AND THEY WANT TO MAXIMIZE IT AND MAKE MONEY. IF I WERE TO JUST USE THE CURRENT ZONING AND IF I WAS IN WANTING TO MAKE MONEY, I COULD ASK YOU BECAUSE IT'S ALLOWED NOW TO PUT A CHURCH.
I COULD PUT A CONGREGATE LIVING FACILITY, A GROUP HOME, A REHAB CENTER.
THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE NEEDED AND MUCH MORE HIGHER DENSITY THAN WHAT I'M ASKING.
I'M NOT ASKING FOR SO MANY OF THE THINGS THAT COULD BE BENEFICIAL TO THE CITY BUT WOULD CREATE MORE DENSITY. I'M ASKING FOR A HOME.
THIS APPROVAL IS ONLY TO ALLOW ONE RESIDENTIAL HOME.
IT DOESN'T ALLOW FOR A BED AND BREAKFAST.
THIS DOESN'T ALLOW FOR KAYAKING.
AND I WAS ONLY SHARING WITH YOU WHAT THE OWNER OF THE KAYAKING COMPANY SAID.
THEY DON'T WANT TO CARRY THEIR KAYAKS DOWN.
THEY COULD JUST LAUNCH MORE EASILY.
BUT I DON'T THAT'S MUCH FAR LESS CONCERN FOR ME.
I WANT TO ADDRESS WHY AND WHAT HAPPENED WITH WHAT THEY CALL CLEARING LAND.
CLEARING LAND IS REALLY WHEN YOU ABSOLUTELY CLEAR LAND, BUT THAT IS NOT THE CASE.
IF YOU WOULD WANT TO LOOK AT THAT FURTHER AND TABLE THIS MEETING, I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE YOU ON THE PROPERTY AND SHOW YOU FIRSTHAND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND WHAT WORK WAS DONE.
YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU A COMPLIANCE LETTER FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION.
I HAVEN'T DONE A THING HERE WITHOUT PEOPLE CALLING IN.
IT COULD BE THESE NEIGHBORS. IT PROBABLY COULD BE OTHER PEOPLE.
IT DOESN'T MATTER. I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN.
THE MOMENT I STARTED WORK, THE CITY CALLED IN AND GAVE ME A STOP WORK ORDER AND THEY HAD ME INVESTIGATED. THEY SENT THE ST JOHNS RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT IN TO LOOK AT THE SHORELINE. TURNED OUT IT'S THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION WHO'S IN CHARGE OF THE WETLAND WHEN IT'S PRIVATELY OWNED.
THEY DETERMINED THAT IT WAS SUITABLE ROOT SYSTEM IN PLACE.
BUT ASIDE FROM THAT, AND JUST TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS FOR THE EROSION AND THE TURBIDITY, YOU LOOK YOU CAN LOOK BACK IN THE BOOKLET AND YOU CAN SEE THE ATTACHMENT OF THE SHORELINE. THAT'S THE AFTER LANDSCAPE WORK ON, ON ON ATTACHMENT SEVEN.
AND WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS, IS A YELLOW TURBIDITY BARRIER ALONG THAT SHORELINE AND A SILT FENCE. DO YOU SEE THAT? THAT THAT IS WHAT THEY ASKED ME TO DO.
YOU HAVE AN ENVIRONMENTALIST, NATALIE SHAVER, THAT WORKS FOR THE CITY.
THE WHITE STAKES THAT WERE BROUGHT UP THERE ALL AROUND THE FRONT PROPERTY.
THOSE ARE MARKING ALL THE TORTOISE BURROWS THAT ARE IN PLACE.
THE FISH AND WILDLIFE ENFORCEMENT HAS BEEN OUT THERE A NUMBER OF TIMES.
WE'RE UTILIZING WHAT THEY CALL BEST PRACTICES.
YES, THE EXCAVATOR OR HEAVY EQUIPMENT.
WE'RE STAYING 25 FEET FROM THE BURROWS.
AND THOSE PATHS THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE NOT DRIVEWAYS.
THEY'RE JUST THE DRIVING AREAS AROUND THE BURROWS.
I WAS INVESTIGATED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION.
IT COST ME SEVERAL MONTHS OF HOLDING UP ON ON ON THE WORK THEY CAME BACK AND WHAT THEY ASKED ME TO DO WAS INSTEAD OF THE BRAZILIAN PEPPERS WE TOOK OUT, INSTEAD OF HAVING THEM DECOMPOSE INTO THE GROUND, THEY ASKED ME TO CLEAN IT UP AND TO REMOVE IT, AND THEN THEY
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WOULD CLOSE THE CASE.SO, YES, I NEEDED AN EXCAVATOR THERE TO ACTUALLY REACH OUT INTO THE WETLANDS, TO TAKE THE BRAZILIAN PEPPER TREES THAT ARE DOWN AND TO REMOVE IT AND TO SEND IT OFF SITE TO GET BURNED. THAT WAS A PRETTY COSTLY ENDEAVOR.
BUT IN MY MIND, AND PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE BUSINESS OF ENVIRONMENTALISTS LIKE THE WORK MONTY, WHO WAS THE LAST PERSON HERE, IS THE GENTLEMAN I MET ONE MORNING WHO WAS JUST WALKING THE PROPERTY.
WHAT HE DIDN'T TELL YOU WAS THAT HE HAD A GUEST WITH HIM, LADY NAMED LISA.
SHE'S EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND ENVIRONMENTALIST FOR THE LAGOON HOUSE.
AND BECAUSE OF HIS CONCERNS WITH THE WORK, HE ASKED HER TO COME ON AND GIVE HER HIS OPINION. ROSITA IS ALSO MY NEIGHBOR AND WE AND I FEEL LIKE WE GET ALONG.
SHE'S THE ONE THAT LIVES THAT'S MOST CLOSELY AFFECTED.
I HAD TALKED TO LISA AND SHE SAID, OH, I JUST GOT OFF THE PHONE WITH ROSITA, YOUR NEIGHBOR. WELL, ACTUALLY, SHE SAID, I GOT OFF THE PHONE WITH A NEIGHBOR, BUT I DON'T WANT TO TELL YOU WHO THE NAME IS UNLESS YOU WANT TO GUESS.
AND I SAID, WELL, PERHAPS WE DID IT BECAUSE I KNOW SHE'S INVOLVED AND SHE'S IN TOUCH WITH THE OTHER NEIGHBORS. SHE SAID, I TOLD HER, JUST LIKE I TOLD YOU AND I TOLD MONTE, THE WORK LOOKS FABULOUS.
I THINK IT WAS A GREAT IMPROVEMENT.
YOU REMOVE THE INVASIVE SPECIES.
REGARDING THE ADDITIONAL WORK ON THE CITY PROPERTY THAT WENT FURTHER THAT PEOPLE WERE TALKING ABOUT, THERE'S A GENTLEMAN THAT WORKS FOR SAINT JOHN'S RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT NAMED CHRIS BROWN.
YOU CAN CONFIRM THIS WITH YOUR OWN ENVIRONMENTALIST.
CHRIS BROWN HAS BEEN MONITORING THE AREA.
I INVITED HIM TO COME WATCH THE WORK THAT WE WERE DOING.
THE BRAZILIAN PEPPERS WERE VERY FAR INTO THE NAVIGABLE WATERS OF TURKEY CREEK.
I OFFERED TO REMOVE THEM, BUT IN THE METHOD THAT HE WANTED, WE ONLY CHAINSAW AND THEN POISON WITH AN AQUATIC APPROVED POISON ALONG THE SHORELINE.
THERE MAY HAVE BEEN BY ACCIDENT ON MY PROPERTY BECAUSE THERE WERE HEAVY RAINS AT THE TIME AND THE ROOT SYSTEMS CAUSED SOME FALLING OVER.
BUT THERE IS A VERY DENSE MAPLE TREE FARM THAT EXISTS IN THE WETLANDS THERE AND I'M SURPRISED THAT PEOPLE DON'T THINK IT LOOKS BETTER THAT THEY'RE NOT HERE TALKING ABOUT IT, BECAUSE I GET PAST SURVEYORS THAT COMPLIMENTED ALL THE TIME.
BUT SO WE HAVE THE PEOPLE WHO LIKE THE WORK ARE THE ENVIRONMENTALISTS, THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION. YOU HAVE THE COMPLIANCE LETTER RIGHT THERE AFTER THE INVESTIGATION. SO I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO HEAR AN OPINION OF A NEIGHBOR WHO'S CONCERNED BUT DOESN'T REALLY KNOW THAT WHAT HAS TAKEN PLACE IS ACTUALLY MUCH MORE BENEFICIAL FOR THE ENVIRONMENT BY THE REMOVAL OF THOSE BRAZILIAN PEPPERS.
I WANT TO I WANT TO LIVE THE REST OF MY LIFE AND ENJOY THAT CREEK.
SO, NO, I WANT TO TAKE GOOD CARE OF IT.
AND AS FAR AS THE SEAWALL, I MEAN, IN A DOCK, IT'S ALLOWED NOW.
BUT SOMEONE ELSE MENTIONED THAT IF IT'S ALLOWED NOW, WHY I'M ASKING FOR A ZONING CHANGE.
IF I WOULD ONLY TO BUILD A GROUP HOME, A CHURCH, A COMMERCIAL SITE FOR ME TO REQUEST DOING A DOCK, IT HAS TO BE UNDER THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL SO I CAN I CAN GET THAT APPROVAL.
SO THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE THERE ON WHAT THE ZONING IS, THE WETLANDS OR THE WETLANDS OR THE WETLANDS. I SHOWED YOU A WETLAND MAP DEPARTMENT.
ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION HAS THAT MAP.
I CAN'T DO ANYTHING ON THAT PROPERTY, NOR DO I WANT TO, EXCEPT BUILD A DOCK AND UTILIZE IT FOR RECREATION AND THOSE THINGS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ALLOWED.
SO I DON'T THINK MY REQUEST IS IT'S SO FAR LESS DENSE THAN WHAT'S EVEN CURRENTLY PERMITTED IN THE LAND USE.
I DON'T KNOW WHY PEOPLE AREN'T THINKING, YES, THIS WOULD BE A BENEFIT WE'RE DOING.
IT'S LESS IMPACTFUL THAN WHAT'S ALLOWED NOW.
AND IF YOU IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, I'D LIKE TO TABLE THIS AND BRING AND BE ABLE TO TO ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS THOSE MORE SPECIFICALLY SO YOU'RE COMFORTABLE.
I THINK THERE'S A REASON STAFF SUPPORTS THIS APPLICATION.
EVERYONE IS CONCERNED ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT AND WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE WETLANDS, BUT WE NEED TO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOOD AND WHAT'S BAD.
AND THERE'S NOTHING THAT I'M DOING THAT'S BAD.
I'M JUST TRYING TO DO A GOOD THING.
YOU SEE THE PICTURES OF THE BEFORE AND AFTER, AND I THINK YOU COULD MAKE YOUR OWN ASSESSMENT OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
THE TRASH? NO, THERE WAS NO TRASH IN THE CREEK.
BUT ON THE PROPERTY ITSELF, THERE'S A THERE'S A HOMELESS ISSUE THEY'VE BEEN ON RESIDING ON THE PROPERTY WHEN IT WAS MESSY AND UNKEPT.
AND SO WE SEE THE REMNANTS OF OF THE TRASH PEOPLE THROW OVER THE BRIDGE DECADES OF THESE THINGS BECAUSE NO ONE IT'D BEEN THERE FOR SINCE GENERAL.
AND THIS IS ANOTHER POINT I DIDN'T BRING UP EARLIER.
GENERAL DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION DONATED THE LAND OF PEACE LUTHERAN CHURCH IN 1985, AND THEY DID SO WITH THE STIPULATION THAT IT REMAIN UNDER DRAINAGE AND RECREATIONAL USE ONLY
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FOR 20 YEARS.I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT NUMBER WAS PUT IN.
I UNDERSTAND THEY HAD SOME LEGAL ISSUES AND IT MAY HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH THAT.
IT MAY HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT THEY RECOGNIZED HOW BEAUTIFUL THIS PROPERTY WAS AND THEY WANTED TO WAIT TILL THE DEVELOPMENT COMPLETED FOR YOU TO MAKE A DECISION ON WHAT MIGHT SERVE BEST FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AND SO AND I CAN SHOW YOU THE PAPERWORK TO THE CITY ATTORNEY IF IF THAT HELPS.
BUT IT SHOULD SERVE AS EVIDENCE THAT THERE WAS NEVER A REALLY CLEAR INTENTION TO KEEP THIS ZONE FLOODWAY CONSERVATION.
AND IF IT WAS TO BE FURTHER KEPT, IT WOULD BE A CONSERVATION EASEMENT THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN IN PLACE. AND THAT'S NOT THE CASE AGAIN.
UM. THE IDEA OF BUILDING ONE HOME NINE HOMES.
YOU KNOW, I'M SURPRISED BECAUSE JUST IN MY MIND, THAT'S STILL JUST NOT A LOT FOR TEN ACRES, YOU KNOW, IN AN AREA, IN MY OPINION.
THEY SEEM TO THINK IT'S VERY DENSE AND THEY LOVE THIS AREA AND AS IF IT'S HERDING IT.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THIS PROPERTY IN PORTLAND BOULEVARD, IT'S IT'S REALLY NOT SEEN FROM THOSE SPOTS.
THE ONLY THING THAT IS, IS THE ACROSS FROM THEIR VIEW OF THE CREEK.
AND THE CREEK IS A PUBLIC WATERWAY AS WELL.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE THEY HAVE PRIVACY THAT'S BEING INVADED.
THE PUBLIC GOES THROUGH THERE ANYWAY.
IT'S JUST THAT NOW ACROSS THE CREEK, THERE'S ME.
MAYBE THEY EXPECTED THEIR PRIVACY AND TO LOOK AT NATURE FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES.
AND NOW THEY HAVE TO LOOK AT ME AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S HARD TO GET PROBABLY GET USED TO.
I CAN TELL YOU, MY WIFE HAS A HARD TIME WITH THAT.
BUT IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, I THINK I'M ASKING FOR SOMETHING THAT'S REASONABLE.
I THINK I'M OFFERING A WAY TO PROVIDE VALUE FOR THE COMMUNITY, AS WE WOULD HOPEFULLY IF YOU IF I AM SUCCESSFUL WITH THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL TO COME BACK TO YOU TO CONSIDER AND IF YOU DON'T WANT THOSE CONDITIONAL USES PERMITTED, THAT'S A DISCUSSION FOR ANOTHER TIME.
BUT THIS IS REALLY ONLY FOR TO ALLOW ME TO BUILD A HOME ON THE VACANT LAND IS REALLY ALL IT COMES DOWN TO AND.
IF IF YOU TRUST THE AGENCIES THAT ARE IN CONTROL OF THE WETLANDS IN THE ENVIRONMENT.
ST JOHN'S RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.
DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION, THE FISH AND WILDLIFE.
I'M IN I'M IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL OF THEM.
AND SO THAT SHOULD MEAN SOMETHING TO YOU.
AND SHE GIVE YOU SOME DEGREE OF COMFORT AND CONFIDENCE IN WHAT'S HAPPENING.
I MEAN, THE SYSTEM, I THINK WORKS.
I DON'T WANT YOU TO FEEL FEAR THAT CHANGING THIS IS DOING SOMETHING BAD FOR THE ENVIRONMENT BECAUSE IT'S NOT IT'S JUST IT'S ALLOWING ME TO BUILD A HOME AND USE AND ENJOY MY LAND JUST THE SAME WAY THE OTHER PEOPLE IN TURKEY CREEK GET TO ENJOY THEIRS.
AND I DON'T SEE MANGROVES ON THEIR PROPERTY TO STOP EROSION AND THEY HAVE GRASS THAT'S GOING INTO THE CREEK.
I AT LEAST HAVE A TURBIDITY BARRIER AND IN PROPOSING AND IF THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION WANTS ME TO DO SOME EROSION RESISTANCE WITH A LIVING SEAWALL, THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A GOOD THING, I BELIEVE, BUT IT'S UP TO THEM FOR THAT APPROVAL.
SO YOU SHOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT IT'S NOT MY CHOICE.
I CAN'T JUST DO ANYTHING I WANT TO DO ON THE PROPERTY.
I HOPE I DIDN'T MISS ANYTHING.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I'M ADDRESSING EVERYTHING.
IT'S A LOT OF NEGATIVITY TONIGHT AND IT'S A LOT.
IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO ADDRESS THESE THINGS, BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY MORE OF JUST MISUNDERSTANDING. AND I'LL JUST I JUST I GUESS I'LL BRING BACK WHAT THE USE IS ARE FOR THE EXISTING ZONING AND TO REMIND YOU THAT UNDER FLOODWAY CONSERVATION.
IF I WAS A PUBLIC ENTITY, IF I WAS A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, A GROUP HOME OR A CHURCH, I COULD PUT IN BOARDWALKS IN PUBLIC PARKS AND PAVILIONS, SINGLE FAMILY HOME, PUBLIC FACILITIES, BOAT RAMPS, CAMPING AREAS.
THAT'S UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING, BUT I CAN'T ASK FOR IT BECAUSE I'M A PRIVATE OWNER RESIDENT SO I'M ASKING YOU TO PAIR THE ZONING SO THAT I CAN USE THIS THE WAY THE STAFF HAS SUGGESTED, THAT WOULD BE A POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE CITY.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANY OTHERS? YEAH. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, YOU.
YOU DO WANT TO YOU CURRENTLY ARE RENOVATING THE HOME THAT YOU LIVE IN.
YES. THEN YOU WANT TO BUILD THREE OTHERS AT MAX? WELL, THE HOME THAT I'M REMODELING.
IT'S LIKE IT WAS BUILT FOR THE PASTOR OF THE CHURCH IN 1973.
IT'S AFFECTIONATELY CALLED THE PASTOR HOUSE.
IT WAS ACTUALLY A REAL, AUTHENTIC BRICK HOUSE, SO I WANTED TO SAVE IT.
IT'S JUST A 1600 SQUARE FOOT AREA.
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IT'S IT'S IT'S LIKE A THREE BEDROOM, THREE BATH.IT'S IT'S RATHER, YOU KNOW, IT WAS IT'S SMALL.
IT'S IT'S NOT A BED AND BREAKFAST POTENTIALLY.
AGAIN, JUST TO CONFIRM. YES, THAT'S FINE.
JUST WANT TO CONFIRM RIGHT NOW.
YOU'RE SAYING THAT RIGHT NOW YOU'RE LOOKING TO CHANGE IT, THE ZONING, SO THAT YOU CAN BUILD NO MORE THAN THREE HOMES.
THERE IS, YOU'RE ALLOWED ONE HOME PER LAND AND THEN YOU'RE ALLOWED ONE ACCESSORY HOME UP TO 800 SQUARE FEET.
I UNDERSTAND. SO I WOULD BE ALLOWED TO BUILD TWO ON EACH OF THE VACANT LANDS UNDER THE CURRENT CODE, AND THAT WOULD BE THE MAXIMUM I WOULD BE ENTITLED WITH THE WAY IT IS WITHOUT HAVING TO ASK FOR A SUBDIVISION OR ANYTHING ELSE.
I JUST WANT TO FULLY UNDERSTAND AGAIN, YOU'VE SAID A LOT AND IT'S.
WHAT'S THAT? IT IS A PRETTY VAGUE.
AND IT'S IT'S NOT CONCRETE IN MY MIND.
SO. DOES IT HAVE TO BE, THOUGH, LIKE JUST TO ASK THE ZONE? IT DOES HAVE TO BE CONCRETE IN TERMS OF WHAT IS IT THAT YOU WANT TO DO, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING TO BUILD ON THIS? OKAY. WELL, I CAN BE MORE SPECIFIC IF I CAN GO UP HERE AND JUST POINT ONE THING YOU CAN POINT. SHE'S A.
I DON'T WANT TO GO ON AND ON AND OVER, YOU KNOW, JUST BASICALLY WHAT'S UP PLAN CHANGE.
A LOT OF THINGS WILL BE DISCUSSED A LOT LATER ON, CORRECT? WITH. FINE. I JUST WANTED A CLARIFICATION FROM MY MYSELF UNDERSTANDING WHAT IS IT THAT YOUR INTENTION IS FOR THE PROPERTY SO THAT I'M BUT I'M MAKING A DECISION.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M ANSWERING THE QUESTION.
YOU DID. AND THERE'S THERE'S NO BED AND BREAKFAST WITHOUT ME COMING BACK AND ASKING THE BOARD TO CONSIDER ALLOWING IT.
SO REALLY THE ONLY THING THAT YOUR APPROVAL WOULD LEND ITSELF IS FOR ME TO BUILD A HOUSE ON THE VACANT LAND.
AND I HAVE TWO VACANT LANDS SO I COULD BUILD TWO HOMES.
AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT THIS WOULD LIMIT ME TO.
OKAY. YOUR COMMENTS ARE FINISHED, SIR? I THINK YES. I THINK THE FLOOR IS NOW CLOSED FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS IN THE CASE IS BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD BOARD MEMBERS AFTER HEARING THE EVIDENCE.
ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR I NEED A MOTION.
CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A QUESTION FROM THE STAFF.
IF HE HAD PERMISSION TO DO WHAT HE DID TO THE CITY PROPERTY.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE WAS A FEW MONTHS AGO THAT PUBLIC WORKS WENT OUT AND TALKED TO HIM AND THEN HE WORKED WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND TO GET SOME THINGS.
STATED THAT. PALM BAY WAS FINE WITH WHAT HE DID EVENTUALLY.
OKAY. AND ON STAFF, JUST ANOTHER QUESTION JUST TO CONFIRM BASED ON THE ZONING CURRENTLY NOW IS NOT ABLE TO BUILD ANY HOMES ON THIS LAND FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE WHICH WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW. THAT'S.
DO I HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR I NEED EMOTION OR EMOTION? CHAIRMAN. EVERYONE ON THIS BOARD UNDERSTANDS I'M EXTREMELY STRONGLY PRO PRO DEVELOPMENT.
HOWEVER, I JUST WANT TO COMMENT.
NOTICE THAT THE THE PORTION OF THIS PROPERTY THAT'S ZONED INSTITUTIONAL USES THE EASTERN AS RATHER THE WESTERN PORTION OF THIS PROPERTY.
THE REST OF IT IS ZONED FLOODWAY CONSERVATION DISTRICT.
IF WE IF WE GO AHEAD AND CHANGE THE ZONING FROM FLOODWAY CONSERVATION AS THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTED, THEN HE CAN DO A LOT MORE THINGS WITH IT, AS YOU NOTICE IN THE INFORMATION THAT HE PROVIDED.
MOST OF THE USES UNDER FLOODWAY CONSERVATION DISTRICT WOULD BE FOR PUBLIC USE.
HE WOULD STILL EVEN TO BUILD ONE HOUSE ON THAT ENTIRE PROPERTY ZONED FLOODWAY CONSERVATION. HE WOULD HAVE TO GET A CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL, SO IT'D HAVE TO COME BACK TO THIS BOARD FOR THAT PURPOSE.
I THINK THIS PARTICULAR THIS IS A UNIQUE PIECE OF PROPERTY, AND I THINK THAT FLOODWAY CONSERVATION DISTRICT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO THE CITY AND TO THE TO THE TO THE HEALTH AND FUTURE OF THE TURKEY CREEK.
AND LIKE I SAID, I AM NORMALLY STRONGLY, STRONGLY PRO-DEVELOPMENT, BUT IN THIS CASE, I WON'T SUPPORT IT. SO I MAKE A MOTION TO DENY.
I'LL CHECK. A MOTION BY MR. WEINBERG TO SUBMIT CASE CP NINE.
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OR DENIAL, SECONDED BY MRS. VIRAJ. WE HAVE A VOTE.WHAT DO WE WHAT ARE WE VOTING FOR? NOW ALL OF THIS, WE'RE VOTING.
WOULD YOU DENY? IT WOULD BE DENIAL.
THREE DAYS, ONE DAY FOR DENIAL.
CPC NINE 2022 IS A COMPANION CASE FOR THIS SINCE IT'S BEEN DENIED.
DO WE DO ANYTHING WITH THIS? SO BECAUSE BECAUSE NINE WE'LL MOVE ON TO CP 15 2022 OC OC.
OKAY. THE NEXT CASE KP'S THE ITEM.
I DEFINITELY WANT YOU TO CONSIDER THE ITEM.
I THINK THAT I'M I EXPECT THAT I'LL BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS THAT MR. WEINBERG TALKED ABOUT WITH THE FLOODWAY CONSERVATION.
AND HOPEFULLY AT THE CITY COMMISSION MEETING.
I'LL BRING NEW EVIDENCE AND MORE PEOPLE TO SUPPORT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT AND THE IMPROVEMENT THAT I'VE MADE.
AND FOR YOU TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING THAT JOHN'S RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT WANTED ME TO DO THAT WORK.
THAT'S SOMETHING NATALIE SHAVER WOULD HAVE TO CONFIRM WITH CONVERSATIONS SHE HAD WITH ST JOHN'S RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.
BUT NO, I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO BRING IT UP, BECAUSE I'D STILL LIKE TO BRING THIS TO THE CITY COMMISSION MEETING WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A VOTE ON IT.
SURE. AS MENTIONED, OUR NEXT CASE IS CP Z NINE DASH 2022.
IT IS LOCATED NORTH OF PORT MALABAR BOULEVARD AND EAST OF CLERMONT STREET FOR APPROXIMATELY 9.66 ACRES OF LAND CURRENTLY ZONED INSTITUTIONAL USE AND FLOODWAY CONSERVATION. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A REZONING FROM INSTITUTIONAL USE AND FLOODWAY CONSERVATION. YEAH.
JUST FOR THE PUBLIC'S UNDERSTANDING.
THIS IS THE SECOND PORTION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS SECOND PORTION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS CASE.
I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT CONFUSION.
SO TO WRAP THIS ONE UP AS WELL, AND SO WE CAN GO TO THE PROCESS OF OPENING IT UP TO THE PUBLIC AND ALLOWING FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS TO SPEAK ON THIS.
WE WOULD LIKE TO ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE REQUEST OF THE REZONING IS FROM INSTITUTIONAL USE AND FLOODWAY CONSERVATION TWO RURAL RESIDENTIAL AND THAT THE LAND IS CURRENTLY VACANT AGAIN. CORRECTIONS TO THE STAFF REPORT ARE THAT THERE IS A PRESENCE OF GOPHER TORTOISES AND THAT THERE IS NO MULTIFAMILY IN THIS AREA.
STAFF DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF CPCS NINE 2022 AND REQUESTS THE PLANNING BOARD TO DO THE SAME FOR APPROVAL OF CPC NINE 2022.
STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL.
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? FURTHER QUESTIONS? JUST JUST A POINT OF ORDER.
SINCE WE DENIED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANE CHANGE, THE THIS IS JUST REALLY A MOOT POINT.
WE CANNOT APPROVE THE ZONING CHANGE SINCE WE DID NOT APPROVE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANE CHANGE. THIS IS JUST TECHNICALLY GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS AND IT HAS TO BE DENIED.
THIS WAS A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT I WILL DEFER TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY ON THAT AT THAT POINT.
BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND HEARD AS IT WAS NOTICED AS A PUBLIC HEARING.
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WHAT YOU STATED IS CORRECT.AND WHAT YOU CAN DO IS JUST HAVE THE AUDIENCE JUST.
BASICALLY KIND OF TAKE JUDICIAL NOTICE OF THEIR PRIOR COMMENTS AND NOT DO THE WHOLE THING OVER AGAIN. THAT MAKES SENSE.
MAKE A SHOW OF HANDS, IF YOU LIKE, OR YOU CAN JUST.
TAKE INTO THE RECORD ALL THE PRIOR COMMENTS.
ALL THE PRIOR COMMENTS FROM THE THE.
SEP NINE, 2022 WILL BE PUT IN THE PUBLIC RECORD FOR THIS CPC NINE 2022.
SO ALL YOUR PREVIOUS COMMENTS WILL BE PUT IN THE RECORD FOR THIS CASE ALSO.
ALPHA STAFF. I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE HAD ANY COMMENTS FROM THE CITY'S ENVIRONMENTALISTS.
I BELIEVE THAT THE COMMENT SPECIFICALLY THAT WE'RE IN THAT WE'RE IN RELATION TO THIS WHERE FOR THE NEXT LEVELS OF PERMITTING, SO SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO, FOR INSTANCE THE ST JOHN WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE FURTHER DOWN THE LINE AFTER THE ENTITLEMENT PROCESS WOULD BE APPROVED IF IT WERE TO HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
SO AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THOSE COMMENTS WERE THEY'RE APPLICABLE TO THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, BUT TIME WISE, THEY ARE NEXT STAGE.
OKAY. GOTCHA. I KNOW THIS IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE A BIG ASK, BUT I IMPLORE YOU TO RECONSIDER YOUR THOUGHTS FOR THIS VOTE.
I WANT TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION ABOUT THE INSTITUTIONAL USE, THE THINGS THAT ARE PERMITTED NOW. YOU'RE CORRECT THAT A CONDITIONAL USE FOR GROUP HOME WOULD REQUIRE ME TO COME BACK HERE, BUT I WOULD NOT HAVE TO COME BACK.
AND I COULD GO RIGHT TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WITH THE BUILDING PERMIT TO BUILD PUBLIC EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS LIKE SCHOOLS, COLLEGES, UNIVERSITIES, GOVERNMENTAL CENTERS FOR FEDERAL, STATE, COUNTY OR CITY, PUBLIC PARK.
UTILITY EQUIPMENT AND FACILITIES.
HISTORIC SITES IN COMMUNICATION, CAMOUFLAGE COMMUNICATION TOWERS AND FACILITIES.
THAT'S WHAT I COULD DO NOW IF I WAS JUST INTERESTED IN MAKING MONEY AND SELLING IT AND GETTING A PERMIT. I THINK COMPARED TO A HOUSE, IT'S FAR LESS DENSE AND MORE AGREEABLE TO WHAT THE PEOPLE ARE WANTING.
ALTHOUGH COMPLAINING, NOT WANTING IT, THEY'RE SAYING, I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY'D RATHER HAVE THE OTHER. IN CHANGING THE ZONING FROM FLOODWAY CONSERVATION, I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU, HAS NO EFFECT ON THE ENVIRONMENT WHATSOEVER.
THE WETLANDS, WHICH IS ALREADY NOTED IN HERE, IN WHICH THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AND ST JOHN'S RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT ALREADY KNOWS IS WETLAND CANNOT BE CHANGED WITHOUT CANNOT BE CHANGED, BUT PERHAPS WITH CREDITS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEY COULD LET YOU BUILD A DOCK AND DO THINGS.
BUT IT IS NOT AN ENVIRONMENTAL CHANGE BY THE ZONING CHANGE.
HAVING SAID THAT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
THAT'S A QUICK COMMENT TO THE.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A VOTE.
IS THAT CORRECT? ATTORNEY. SPEAKER IF SHE WANTS TO.
WHAT? WHAT? THE DEVELOPER FROM BOCA RATON DOESN'T UNDERSTAND IS THAT YOU CANNOT COME HERE AND THREATEN US WITH A CHURCH OR A ELDERLY PEOPLE'S HOME OR WHATEVER ELSE IT WAS, JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GETTING YOUR RIGHT OF WAY ON THE VOTE.
AND WE'RE PROTECTING NOT BECAUSE WE WANT A PRIVATE VIEW.
I, FOR EXAMPLE, CANNOT SEE THAT PROPERTY, BUT IT'S BECAUSE WE HAVE CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN AND WE WANT THEM TO GROW UP IN PALM BAY WITH BEAUTIFUL GREEN AREAS AND KAYAKING. WHAT YOU NEED.
SOURCE CLOSE TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
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AND WE'LL BE CONSIDERING THE CPC 15, 20, 22 AND DO WE NEED TO VOTE ON THAT? YES. I HAVE EMOTION.SINCE WE ALREADY DENY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGE, WE HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO DENY THIS ZONING CHANGE. SO MOTION TO DENY CP Z NINE 2022.
COMMISSIONED BY MR. WEINBERG. I HAVE A SECOND.
AND WE HAVE A REQUEST TO CONTINUE A SEP 14, 2022.
THAT IS CORRECT. WE NEED A MOTION TO CONTINUE.
THERE'S A REQUEST TO CONTINUE TO MAY 4TH.
PD 14 2022 TO THE MAY 4TH MEETING.
SECOND MOTION BY MR. WEINBERG. SECOND BY MR. BERMAN. ALL IN FAVOR I UNANIMOUS.
REQUEST TO CONTINUE TO MAY 4TH AND Z.
DO I HAVE A MOTION? MOTION TO CONTINUE PD 15 2022 TO THE MAY 4TH MEETING.
SECOND. MOTION BY MR. WEINBERG SECOND BY MR. BERMAN. ALL IN FAVOR I UNANIMOUSLY.
ANY TIME. THEY'RE REFERRING TO ONE OF THE ONES THAT ARE CONTINUED FOR TONIGHT TO THE NEXT MEETING.
WE DIDN'T DENY IT. WE DIDN'T. THE CASE IS NOT BEING HEARD.
THERE IS NO PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT CASE BECAUSE IT HAS IT IS BEING CONTINUED TO BE FORTH.
MA'AM, MA'AM, THERE ARE NO PUBLIC COMMENTS BECAUSE THAT CASE IS NOT BEING HEARD TONIGHT.
TALK ABOUT OUR FAMILIES AND OUR JOB.
AND. SO YOU ALL ARE HERE FOR ITEMS FOUR OR FIVE WHEN YOU'RE.
OKAY. SO WHAT DO YOU THINK? CALM DOWN. CALM DOWN, PLEASE.
THIS IS A WE NEED TO REMAIN IN ORDER.
SO AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.
MAN. WE NEED TO CALL SOMEONE TO RETAIN ORDER.
WE WILL. WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.
SO AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, IT WAS ANNOUNCED THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME ITEMS THAT WERE GOING TO BE CONTINUED IF YOU WISH TO STAY AND BE HEARD.
UNDER THOSE ITEMS IT IS YOUR RIGHT.
HOWEVER, IT WAS ANNOUNCED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING THAT SEVERAL ITEMS WERE BEING CONTINUES. IT'S ON THE AGENDA AND I BELIEVE IT WAS PUBLISHED PUBLICLY.
SO WE'RE NOT HAVING DISCOURSE.
THAT ANNOUNCEMENT FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
IF YOU WISH TO REMAIN FOR THE ITEMS THAT ARE CONTINUED, IT IS YOUR RIGHT.
AND WHEN THOSE ARE CALLED UP, YOU CAN OPEN IT TO THE FLOOR AND HAVE THEIR HAVE THEIR COMMENTS. HOWEVER, YOU THOSE ITEMS AREN'T BEING HEARD TONIGHT.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE HEARD AT A FUTURE DATE, IF AT ALL.
YOU MAY NOT EVEN BE HEARD AT ALL.
SO. YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AT THAT HEARING.
IF YOU WANT TO SAY THOSE COMMENTS INTO THE RECORD TONIGHT, YOU CAN.
BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT ON THOSE.
SO HOPE THAT EXPLAINS IT BETTER.
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HOLD ON. PLEASE.ITEMS FOR CP 14 2022 PD 14 2022 NUMBER SIX PD 15 2022.
SO THOSE ARE SEVERAL ITEMS. THEY WERE ANNOUNCED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING THAT THEY WERE BEING CONTINUED.
YOU CAN STAY IF YOU'D LIKE AND MAKE YOUR COMMENTS.
BUT THOSE ITEMS WILL NOT BE HEARD BY THE BOARD TONIGHT AND THEY WON'T MAKE A DECISION ON THEM TONIGHT. DOES THAT HELP YOU UNDERSTAND THIS, RIGHT? YES. YES.
I DON'T WANT TO CALL POLICE HERE TONIGHT.
DON'T WANT TO DO IT. SO THOSE ITEMS WILL BE CONTINUED.
YOU CAN STAY IN COMMENT, BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE A DECISION.
YOUR CHOICE. BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HEAR THE MEN MAKE A DECISION.
THEY ARE GOING TO POTENTIALLY AT A LATER DATE, BUT THEY MAY NOT AS WELL.
SO I HOPE THAT EXPLAINS BETTER.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD THAT IT'S NOT THE BOARD'S DECISION TO CONTINUE.
IT IS THE DEVELOPER WHO PULLED IT SO WE CAN'T HEAR IT.
THAT'S THE WAY IT'S NOT. SO IT'S NOT US TRYING TO PREVENT YOU FROM HEARING IT.
AND TO BE CLEAR, WE ARE MOVING TO KEEP 15 FOR ANYONE THAT WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT.
SO CP 15, 20, 22 IS GOING TO BE THE NEXT CASE THAT WILL BE HEARD TONIGHT.
THE MOTION TO CONTINUE THAT LAST ONE.
WE STILL NEED MR. ANDERSON. WE NEED A MOTION.
THERE'S BEEN A REQUEST TO CONTINUE 16, 20, 22 TO THE MAY 4TH MEETING.
SO I MOVED. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
YES, MR. WEINBERG FOR THE MOTION AND MR. BERMAN SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR, I.
ANIMALS. MR. ANDERSON OUR CP 15 2022.
ABSOLUTELY. SO WE ARE GOING TO BEGIN WITH CP 15, 2022 FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
THIS IS LOCATED BETWEEN AND ADJACENT TO MALABAR ROAD AND BIDDLE STREET.
IT'S FOR APPROXIMATELY 18.44 ACRES OF LAND.
CURRENTLY, THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION FOR THE PARCELS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROPERTY ARE MULTI-FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL, PROFESSIONAL OFFICE AND SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A SMALL SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT FROM MULTIPLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PROFESSIONAL OFFICE USE AND SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL AND MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF CP 15 2022 AND REQUESTS THAT THE BOARD RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS ITEM AS WELL.
STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT AS WELL.
REPORTER THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THE APPLICANT. PLEASE COME FORWARD.
WE? YOUR COMMENT FOR STEPH? YEAH, I JUST WANT TO MAKE ONE COMMENT, MR. ANDERSON, ON YOUR IN YOUR STAFF REPORT YOU HAVE UNDER A BACKGROUND, YOU SAY THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED WEST OF BABCOCK, WHEN IN ACTUALITY IT'S EAST OF BABCOCK.
I APOLOGIZE, BUT THANK YOU FOR THAT.
I APPRECIATE THAT. STILL GETTING USED TO THE CITY A LITTLE BIT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE NEW TO THE AREA.
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CHAIR JORDAN, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.I'M WITH THE OFFICE OF LACY LYONS ROSENKER IN ROCKLEDGE, FLORIDA.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE DEVELOPER, THE BROWNSTONE GROUP.
WITH ME, AS JEREMY MEARS IS ALSO HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE COMPANY OR THE PRODUCT OR ANYTHING ELSE YOU MAY HAVE THE ENGINEER OF RECORD.
BRUCE MOYA WITH MHB ENGINEERING IS ALSO HERE.
WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS A CONCEPT PLAN AND A AERIAL RENDERING OF WHAT THIS PRODUCT WILL LOOK LIKE. THIS IS CALLED A COTTAGE STYLE APARTMENT HOME DEVELOPMENT.
I BELIEVE YOU'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE.
IT SEEMS TO BE VERY PREVALENT NOW IN THE INDUSTRY.
IT ALLOWS INDIVIDUAL HOME TYPES.
THERE ARE SOME DUPLEXES, BUT IT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO HAVE THEIR OWN HOME, THEIR NEXT NOT NEXT TO EACH OTHER. THEY DON'T HAVE PARTY WALLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THIS PROJECT IS PLANNED TO BE 117 UNITS ON.
17.44 ACRES WITH ONE ACRE OF COMMERCIAL ALONG THE MALABAR ROAD NORTHEAST.
THAT AVERAGES OUT TO ABOUT 6.7 UNITS TO THE ACRE.
THESE ARE ONE, TWO AND THREE BEDROOMS WITH DUPLEXES AND COTTAGES.
THE COMPANY, THE BROWNSTONE GROUP, IS BASED OUT OF LOUISIANA.
THIS IS THE 14TH TYPE PRODUCT THEY'RE DOING.
THERE ARE 14 DEVELOPMENT OF THIS THIS NATURE.
AS WE DID HAVE A POWERPOINT FOR YOU.
I FOR SOME REASON THAT DIDN'T DIDN'T MAKE IT INTO THE RECORD.
BUT THIS IS TO BE A FULL AMENITY DEVELOPMENT MARKER EIGHT APARTMENTS THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A CLUBHOUSE, SWIMMING POOL, FITNESS CENTER, WORKSPACE, WI FI, OUTDOOR GRILLING AREA, PICNIC AREAS, WALKING PATHS, PICKLEBALL PUTTING GREEN PET PARK, GREEN SPACE EVENT, LAWN CHARGING STATIONS COVERED PARKING AND STORAGE.
THE UNITS THEMSELVES ARE GOING TO HAVE PRIVATE BACKYARDS, PRIVATE ENTRY, 3 TO 4 WALLS OF WINDOWS. SMART HOME PACKAGE.
WOOD STYLE FLOORING CEILING FAN CERAMIC TILE.
THIS IS A VERY UPSCALE, NICE DEVELOPMENT TO GIVE PEOPLE AN OPTION WITH THEIR HOUSING CHOICES. AND AS YOU'VE SEEN FROM THE FUTURE, ELAINE, YOU SMELL IT'S KIND OF LIKE ALPHABET SOUP. THIS IS A MESS OF DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT FUTURE LAND USES.
AND THIS WILL TIDY ALL THAT UP AND IT WILL PUT IT AT SOMETHING THAT IS.
ALSO, TO LET YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, THE FRONTAGE OF THIS PROJECT IS ON BIDDLE.
SO THAT GIVES THE LARGER SETBACKS OF 25 FEET.
LITTLE IS IS THE ROAD TO THE NORTH.
THIS IS ON MALABAR ROAD, NORTHEAST.
THERE ARE HOMES TO THE NORTH, BUT THERE WILL BE A ROAD AND A 25 FOOT BUFFER.
THIS IS SOUTH OF MALABAR ELEMENTARY, IN WEST OF PALM BAY HIGH SCHOOL HOSPITAL.
AND AS POINTED OUT BY MR. WEINBERG, IT IS EAST OF BABCOCK.
THIS IS TAKING THREE FUTURE LAND USES TO TWO FUTURE LAND USES.
THE ONE ACRE ON THE ROAD WILL BE COMMERCIAL.
WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH COMMERCIAL ON THE EAST AND THE WEST.
AND THEN THE THE REMAINDER OF THE BULK OF THE PRODUCT, 17.44 ACRES WILL BE MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL. AS I SAID, THIS WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE 6.7 UNITS TO THE ACRE, ALTHOUGH IT'S ARE YOU TO TEN.
SO IT IS LESS DENSE THAN THAN WHAT'S ALLOWED UNDER THE YOU TO TEN THAT'S ALSO BEING SOUGHT, THE STAFF REPORT RECOMMENDS.
THE REPORT'S STAFF REPORT SUPPORTS THIS REQUEST FOR FUTURE LAND USE, AND WE WOULD ALSO REQUEST THAT YOU APPROVE THE FUTURE LAND USE CHANGE AS IT DOES MEET YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, GOALS AND OBJECTIVES.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, THE DEVELOPER OR THE ENGINEER? WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.
FIRST THE APPLICANT. JUST A CLARIFICATION.
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THESE ARE ALL DUPLEXES.
THERE WILL BE THE COTTAGE STYLES ARE 41, SO OUR TOTAL OF 117.
SO THERE ARE SOME DUPLEXES AND THERE ARE SOME COTTAGES.
DUPLEXES ARE LIKE SIMPLE TYPE DUPLEXES.
IT'S APARTMENTS. THEY'RE THEY'RE COTTAGE STYLE APARTMENTS.
IT'S MULTIFAMILY. THAT WAS NOT GOING TO BE PLATTED.
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IT'S GOING TO BE JUST ONE SITE PLAN AND CONSTRUCTION PLANS.FOR THE RECORD, THERE ARE NO LETTERS IN THE FILE ON THIS PROJECT.
THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD WISH TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST? ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK AGAINST THIS REQUEST, SIR.
YOUR COMMENT CARD AT THE PODIUM, PLEASE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. MY NAME IS KHALIL PETIT.
TWO, THREE, FOUR, BRANT AVENUE, NORTHEAST AND PALM BAY, WHICH IS JUST OFF.
BATTLE ROAD. FIRST OF ALL, MY FIRST QUESTION ON THIS MATTER IS THE THE PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY ARE GOING TO EXIT FROM THIS AREA OF DEVELOPMENT, IS IT GOING TO BE JUST ON MALABAR ROAD OR IS IT GOING TO ACTUALLY BE ON TO.
SMELL OF BITTER OUT ON THE MALABAR ROAD.
BECAUSE OTHERWISE OUR ROAD COOK COULD COOK COULD NOT HANDLE IT.
SECOND OF ALL, THERE WON'T BE ANY SECTION EIGHT, I HOPE, SIR, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A BIG ISSUE. PALM BAY IS A GREAT PLACE.
WE'VE BEEN HERE 32 YEARS AND WE WANT TO KEEP PALM BAY THE WAY IT'S BEEN.
THANK YOU. HEY, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS? HELLO. MY NAME IS JACQUELINE BATTEN.
I AM LITERALLY THE HOUSE THAT IS RIGHT ACROSS FROM WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE BUILDING THE HOMES THAT LOOK KIND OF PARALLEL ON THIS MAP.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE THERE IS A DRIVEWAY THAT IS COMING OUT.
AND I KNOW THAT YOU'RE SAYING IT DOES NOT EXIT ONTO BIDDLE.
BUT I CAN ALREADY TELL YOU NOW THAT THE FOLIAGE AND THE TREES HAVE ALREADY STARTED COMING DOWN WITHOUT EVEN OUR APPROVAL.
WE HEARD CHAINSAWS AND FROM THAT TIME WE SAW THE WILDLIFE COMING OUT OF THE WOODS.
WE'VE SEEN FOXES, WE'VE SEEN BIRDS.
WE HAVE RACCOONS, EAGLES, ALL KINDS OF ANIMALS THAT ARE OCCUPYING THIS LAND THAT ARE COMING OUT INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD NOW BECAUSE THEY ARE BEING DISPLACED.
AND NOW THIS IS SHOWING THAT THERE IS NOT EVEN GOING TO BE A BARRIER LEFT OF TREES FOR US TO HAVE OUR PRIVACY.
AND THERE IS A SCHOOL THAT IS LITERALLY NOT EVEN AROUND THE CORNER FROM WHERE WE LIVE.
WE'RE ON THE CAR LOOP OF THE SCHOOL RIGHT HERE ON BIDDLE, WHERE THE EDGE OF THE CORNER OF THIS COMPLEX WILL BE COMING DOWN.
SO THERE IS ALREADY A VERY LARGE, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC ISSUE THAT COMES AROUND ONTO BIDDLE STREET FROM PEOPLE THAT JUST STOP IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE.
AND IF THIS BECOMES A PLACE WHERE KIDS NEED TO CROSS TO GO BACK HOME, HOW SAFE IS THAT GOING TO BE WHEN YOU HAVE CARS THAT ARE STOPPING THERE? THE TRAFFIC IS ALREADY MESSED UP ONTO BIDDLE STREET THAT WHEN YOU COME OFF A BIDDLE STREET ONTO BABCOCK, THERE IS ALREADY A HUGE ISSUE WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO CROSS WHERE THERE'S NO LIGHT THERE.
AND THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS THAT I'VE WITNESSED ALONE WITHOUT THERE BEING A LIGHT THERE. AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHY THEY'RE WANTING TO DEVELOP.
AND I KNOW THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM.
THEY'RE WANTING TO DEVELOP THIS LAND THAT IS COMPLETELY, YOU KNOW, SERENE.
BUT WE HAVE A GAS STATION THAT'S BEEN COMPLETELY ABANDONED FOR ALMOST FIVE YEARS THAT NOBODY CARES TO TO IMPROVE.
I MEAN, IT'S IT'S RIDICULOUS THAT PEOPLE CAN PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT THEY WANT TO DESTROY AND THEN REBUILD.
AND IT MAKES NO SENSE THAT THIS AREA THAT IS HOUSING AND AND BRINGING BEAUTY TO OUR AREA IS NOW GOING TO BE TAKEN DOWN.
SO THAT WAY THEY CAN PUT MORE AND MORE PEOPLE INTO THIS AREA THAT'S ALREADY BECOMING SO OVERPOPULATED. AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, TOO, WHAT ARE THE PRICE RANGES? AND I HEARD YOU SAY SOMETHING ABOUT EIGHT.
IS THAT A SECTION EIGHT? IS THIS A SECTION EIGHT PROPERTY? SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS IS NOT A SECTION EIGHT.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW FOR THE RECORD WHAT THE PRICE RANGES OF THESE HOUSES WILL BE AND ALSO WHAT THE MINIMUM RENTAL TERM WOULD BE.
SO THAT'S IT. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? I AM KIND OF SHY.
I LIVE ON HARVEY STREET, AND WE HAVE NO SIDEWALKS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
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THE KIDS PLAY IN THE STREETS.IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SAFE ADDING THIS MANY PEOPLE HERE.
YOU'RE TAKING AWAY A WOODED AREA THAT OUR KIDS CAN PLAY IN.
YOU'RE NOT ADDING A PARK, NOT A PLAYGROUND, A PARK.
YOU KNOW THE ANIMAL STORY? OUR WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS NO SIDEWALKS.
THE TRAFFIC TO THE SCHOOL IS IT COMES BLACKS.
THIS IS GOING TO BE MORE CHILDREN GOING TO THAT SCHOOL.
AND I'M REALLY, REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT NO SIDEWALKS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHAT THIS IS GOING TO DO TO US, LET ALONE NOWHERE FOR THE CHILDREN TO PLAY.
THEY PLAY IN THE STREETS AS IT IS.
THANK YOU. YOU HAVE A COMMENT CARD, MA'AM? WOULD YOU FILL OUT THE COMMENT CARD FOR US? YES. YOU GOT IT RIGHT HERE. OKAY.
MY BIGGEST CONCERNS IS INFRASTRUCTURE, OF COURSE.
WHERE ARE WE GOING TO PUT ALL THE PEOPLE? WHERE ARE WE GOING TO PUT ALL THE TRAFFIC? WHERE ARE WE GOING TO PUT THE KIDS? THERE'S NO PLACE. I MEAN, THEY COULD SAY THEY'RE GOING TO PUT A 25 FOOT BARRIER BETWEEN US ON BIDDLE IN THEIR PROJECT.
THOSE KIDS ARE GOING TO BE CUTTING THROUGH THOSE WOODS, GOING TO SCHOOL BECAUSE THE SCHOOL IS RIGHT THERE.
A SCHOOL THAT'S ALREADY OVERCROWDED, SCHOOL THAT'S ALREADY NOT GETTING IT'S AN EIGHT PLUS SCHOOL. IT'S A GREAT SCHOOL.
BUT WE CAN PUT ALL THE KIDS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING A LOT OF CHILDREN COMING INTO AN AREA AND THERE'S NO MORE SCHOOL, THERE'S NO INFRASTRUCTURE, THERE'S NOTHING THERE FOR THE CHILDREN. YOU KNOW, AND ALSO, I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT I THINK YOU GUYS SHOULD INVESTIGATE IS THE FACT THAT THEY'VE DONE 14 OTHER PROJECTS LIKE THIS.
WHAT'S THE CRIME RATE IN THOSE 14 PROJECTS? SOMETHING WE PROBABLY SHOULD LOOK INTO, SEE WHAT THE CRIME RATE LOOKS LIKE THERE AND SEE HOW MUCH MORE CRIME MIGHT COME WITH THIS ONE.
YOU KNOW ME COMING FROM AN INNER CITY, I KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT CRIME AND WORKING IN THE CRIMINAL INDUSTRY. I KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT.
THAT'S ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS, TOO, IS CRIME REPORTS.
I'D LOVE TO SEE THE CRIME REPORTS AND THEIR OTHER 14 PROPERTIES, YOU KNOW, SEE WHAT KIND OF REALLY WHAT TO BRING INTO THE PROPERTY.
WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO PUT ALL THE PEOPLE? THE TRAFFIC'S RIDICULOUS.
NOW TRY TO GET OUT OF THAT STREET.
SOMETIMES IT TAKES ME LONGER TO GET OUT OF MY STREET, THAT IT TAKES ME TO GET TO WORK SEVEN MILES DOWN THE ROAD.
SO IT TAKES ME 15 MINUTES TO GET OUT IN 5 MINUTES TO GET TO WORK.
YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST IT'S THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS HORRIBLE THERE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE GOING TO PUT THE PEOPLE IN THERE.
AND I DON'T SEE THE CITY BUILDING ANYTHING DIFFERENT.
AND THERE WE HAVE NO SIDEWALKS AND OUR ROADS ARE CRAP.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL I CAN SAY.
MY NAME IS ERICA. I LIVE RIGHT OFF HARVEY AVENUE, RIGHT ACROSS FROM BRETTELL.
AND JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE HAS SAID, THERE'S SO MUCH WILDLIFE THAT WE'VE SEEN IN THERE, THE TOURISTS, THE HAWKS IN THE SCHOOL.
I PERSONALLY HAVE TWO CHILDREN AND THEY ACTUALLY DO NOT GO TO THAT SCHOOL.
AND WE LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT IT IS SO OVERCROWDED THE TEACHERS ARE ON THEIR STAFF THAT THEY CAN'T GO TO THAT SCHOOL. SO I DRIVE MY KIDS TO A DIFFERENT SCHOOL AND YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT HAVING THEM BUILD APARTMENT COMPLEXES.
THERE IS JUST NO ROOM FOR OTHER CHILDREN IN THAT AREA.
THE TEACHERS ARE GOING TO GET EVEN MORE DROWN.
THE EDUCATION SYSTEM IS GOING TO GO DOWN.
THESE CHILDREN ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE A GOOD FUTURE.
LIKE LIKE THEY SAID, THERE'S NO PLAYGROUND, THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS.
MY KIDS DON'T PLAY OUTSIDE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T PLAY OUTSIDE.
AND IT'S JUST IT'S SAD TO SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING BECAUSE WHEN WE HAVE THESE APARTMENT COMPLEX GOING UP, JUST LIKE WITH THE RATE, HOW ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO KEEP OUT SEXUAL PREDATORS AND THAT DISTANCE FROM THE SCHOOL.
THAT IS ONE OF MY HUGEST CONCERNS BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BE A CERTAIN MILEAGE.
WE CAN'T CONTROL WHAT GUESTS THAT THEY'LL HAVE IN THERE.
AND IF WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP OUR KIDS SAFE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT WITH THAT MANY PEOPLE. AND JUST LIKE THE EMPTY BUILDINGS OR BUILDING NEW PROPERTIES, WE HAVE SO MANY EMPTY RETAIL SPACES RIGHT NOW, THE EMPTY GAS STATION, FIVE YEARS WE CAN GO DOWN THE ROAD OF MALABAR ROAD AND SEE EMPTY COMPLEXES THAT PEOPLE CAN GO AHEAD OR RENTS, BUT THEY'RE NOT RENTING. SO WHY DEVELOP MORE OF THOSE SPACES FOR THEM TO SIT EMPTY AND THEN JUST HAVE MORE KIDS TO GO VANDALIZE THEM, MORE HOMELESS, TO TAKE UP SPOTS, MORE SQUATTERS? THERE'S NO REASON TO DEVELOP SOMETHING THAT IS PERFECTLY THE WAY IT IS WITH THE WILDLIFE BEING SAFE THERE.
THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHT. A LOT OF COMMENTS ARE, PLEASE.
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YES. THANK YOU.WE GET THE CARDS FROM OVER THEIR SLEEVE AND BRING IT BACK.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL FOR HEARING US TODAY.
WHEN I BOUGHT MY PROPERTY IN 2014, I HAD BEEN TOLD THAT THIS WAS A PRESERVE.
BUT I'M NOW LEARNING THAT THE WORDS PRESERVE AND CONSERVATION DON'T MEAN MUCH BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN JUST APPARENTLY DESTROY THINGS WITH.
WITHOUT WITHOUT A THOUGHT, WITH JUST A MEETING.
AND. IF I'M A SPEECH THERAPIST.
I WANTED TO LIVE IN A BEAUTIFUL PLACE.
IT WAS MY FIRST HOME WHEN THE REALTOR SAID, DO YOU THINK YOU'LL LIVE IN THIS HOME FOR FIVE YEARS? I SAID, TRY FIVE DECADES.
THERE'S THIS BEAUTIFUL AREA IN FRONT OF THIS HOUSE.
I WILL NEVER MOVE FROM THIS HOUSE.
I'M GOING TO PLANT FRUIT TREES ALL AROUND IT, WHICH I DID, BECAUSE I'M ON A CORNER LOT.
I SAID, I'M GOING TO STAY HERE TILL I DIE.
I'M THINKING ABOUT SELLING MY HOUSE NOW.
THOSE OF US WHO ARE YOUNG ENOUGH TO LEAVE PROFESSIONAL, I'M BILINGUAL.
I DO SPEECH THERAPY WITH SPEECH THERAPY WITH CHILDREN WHO ARE BILINGUAL, SPEAK ENGLISH OR SPANISH OR BOTH. THAT IS EXTREMELY RARE IN OUR ENTIRE COUNTRY.
I CAN GET A JOB IN ANY STATE I WANT TONIGHT.
I CAN CALL ANY PLACE AND GET A JOB IN ANY STATE I WANT.
I WANT TO LIVE IN FRONT OF THIS BEAUTIFUL PRESERVE.
IF YOU SAT IN I LIVE ACROSS THE MIDDLE.
I LIVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PARKING LOT.
NOW, IF YOU SAT WITH ME AT MY GARAGE AND JUST LOOKED OUT, IF I OPENED UP MY GARAGE AND WE SAT THERE, YOU WOULD SEE, SORRY.
ARMADILLOS, COYOTES, OPOSSUMS, TORTOISES.
FOXES, WILD TURKEYS, CARDINALS, BLUE JAYS, WOODPECKERS, RACCOONS, RABBITS, WRENS, BUNTINGS, SCRUB JAYS.
EAGLES. YOU'LL SEE A FEW EAGLES, VULTURES, SQUIRRELS, DUCKS, IBISES, A WIDE VARIETY OF PLANTS, TREES AND OTHER PLANTS.
AND NOT TO MENTION ALL THE OTHER RODENTS AND INSECTS I CAN'T EVEN SEE.
AND ALL THE BIRDS I CAN'T EVEN IDENTIFY, BECAUSE I'M I'M NOT WELL VERSED ON ALL OF THEM.
IT ALREADY TAKES ME 10 MINUTES TO GET OFF MY STREET.
IT TAKES 10 MINUTES TO GET OFF BIDDLE STREET ON ONTO MALABAR.
THIS IS GOING TO BE DEVASTATING.
AND I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT NO WONDER THEY HAVE THIS WILDLIFE HERE.
THERE'S A HOSPITAL ON THE OTHER SIDE WITH LOUD AMBULANCES ALL THE TIME.
THERE ARE HELICOPTERS BECAUSE THERE'S A LIFE FLIGHT.
THOSE TREES PROTECT US FROM THE NOISE.
OUR WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD IS BEING DEVELOPED ALREADY.
THIS IS WHY WE NOW IN THE MORNING, FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, I CAN HEAR A TRAIN THAT IS A COUPLE OF MILES AWAY, A FEW MILES, SEVERAL MILES AWAY.
I CAN HEAR THAT TRAIN NOW IN THE MORNINGS.
I CAN HEAR THAT WHISTLE. CAN YOU HEAR THAT WHISTLE? I CAN HEAR IT NOW. I COULDN'T HEAR IT BEFORE.
I'M GOING TO HEAR THOSE AMBULANCES LIKE NOBODY'S BUSINESS BECAUSE A FEW HOUSES HERE AND THERE ARE BUILDINGS DO NOT BLOCK.
I HAD TO TAKE SOME EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TESTS ABOUT SOUND.
TREES ARE SO GOOD AT BLOCKING NOISE.
TREES ARE AMAZING BECAUSE IT'S BARRIER AFTER BARRIER AFTER BARRIER WITH DIFFERENT CONSISTENCIES, DIFFERENT TYPES OF MATERIAL THAT THEY'RE MADE OF, DIFFERENT TREES, DIFFERENT THICKNESSES.
THOSE THINGS ARE AMAZING FOR BLOCKING SOUND.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET THAT FROM THESE LITTLE HOUSES WITH A LITTLE BIT OF AIR BETWEEN THEM. THOSE OF US AGAIN WHO ARE ABLE TO LEAVE HERE ONCE THE BEAUTY IS GONE, WILL BE GONE.
WE DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN DETROIT WITH A FEW PALM TREES.
WE WANT TO LIVE IN A BEAUTIFUL PLACE.
THIS IS WHY SO MANY OF US LEFT PLACES LIKE AUSTIN, TEXAS.
PEOPLE SAID, ARE YOU CRAZY? YOU'RE LEAVING AUSTIN? I WANT TO LIVE SOMEWHERE PRETTY.
I WANT TO LIVE SOMEWHERE BEAUTIFUL.
THEY SEEM TO PROTECT THE PLACE THERE, UNLIKE AUSTIN, WHERE THEY'RE DEVELOPING LIKE CRAZY BECAUSE OF MONEY.
I THOUGHT I THOUGHT FLORIDA WAS DIFFERENT.
I THOUGHT PALM BAY WAS DIFFERENT.
I THOUGHT MY HOUSE WAS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT.
IT HAD THIS BEAUTIFUL LAND IN FRONT OF IT.
I'M ALREADY LOOKING TO SEE HOW MUCH I CAN SELL IT FOR.
IF THIS GOES THROUGH, I WON'T BE THE FIRST.
YOU'RE GOING TO END UP WITH PEOPLE WHO CAN'T LEAVE.
AND PEOPLE WHO WANT TO COME HERE JUST TO LIVE IN APARTMENTS HAVE I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE YOU'RE GOING TO END UP WITH, BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE PROFESSIONALS WHO ARE WORKING BECAUSE THEY WANT BEAUTY.
PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE NEED BESIDES NEEDING OXYGEN.
WE NEED TO HEAR THE BIRDS IN THE MORNING.
I DON'T WANT TO HEAR PEOPLE YELLING AND CARS AND AMBULANCES AND A TRAIN AND A HELICOPTER.
THOSE ARE THINGS ARE FINE ONCE IN A WHILE.
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BUT I WANT TO HEAR OTHER THINGS.AND I WILL LIVE WHERE THERE'S NATURE, WHETHER IT'S IN PALM BAY OR WHETHER I HAVE TO GO TO MONTANA OR SOMETHING, BECAUSE I WILL TAKE MY SKILLS AND LEAVE PALM BAY.
AND YOU'LL BE WITHOUT A BILINGUAL SPEECH THERAPIST WITH ALL THESE KIDS WHO ARE STANDING IN LINE WAITING FOR SPEECH THERAPY.
I AM ONE OF THE I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THERE'S A HANDFUL OF TRULY BILINGUAL SPEECH THERAPISTS IN THIS TOWN, AND I'M JUST ONE.
THERE ARE MANY NURSES, DOCTORS, OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO SAY, THIS PLACE IS BECOMING A PARKING LOT.
I'M BEGGING YOU TO PROTECT THESE ANIMALS.
I'M BEGGING YOU TO PROTECT US FROM THIS OVERDEVELOPMENT FROM OUTSIDE LOUISIANA.
YOU EVER BEEN TO LOUISIANA? YOU KNOW HOW GOOD THEY ARE AT PROTECTING THEMSELVES.
KATRINA. THEY'RE REALLY GOOD AT PROTECTING THEIR PEOPLE, AREN'T THEY? THAT WAS AN INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUE.
WE ALREADY HAVE FLOODING ON BIDDLE.
AND BY THE WAY, THEY'VE ALREADY DESTROYED PROBABLY AT LEAST 10% OF THE TREES IN THERE.
IT WASN'T JUST CHAINSAWS, IT WAS BULLDOZERS.
I'VE GOT 5 MINUTES, THREE VIDEOS.
I'VE GOT THE VIDEOS ON MY PHONE.
I'VE GOT THEM RIGHT NOW. IF YOU WANT, I'LL SAY I'LL SHOW YOU.
THERE WERE NO, NO, NO, NO TRESPASSING SIGNS.
I MADE SURE IF I SAW ONE, I WOULD HAVE TURNED AROUND.
THERE'S NOT ONE. IT'S NOT ON THE VIDEO.
I WILL SHOW YOU THE VIDEOS I HAVE.
WE SEE SO MANY ANIMALS RUNNING OUT OF THERE.
THEY HAVE CRUSHED THE TORTOISES HOMES.
HOW ARE THEY GOING TO SURVIVE? THEY CAN'T. THEY'RE PROBABLY ALREADY DEAD.
THEY ALREADY HAVE DESTROYED A BUNCH OF TREES.
AND THEY WENT THROUGH SAYING, WELL, WE'RE ONLY TAKING DOWN THE TREES THAT ARE SO, SO THICK, SO THIN IF THEY'RE WELL, RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE IS NOT VERY THICK TREE THAT HAS A GIANT NEST IN IT THAT BIRDS, ALL KINDS OF LARGE BIRDS USE.
THEY JUST KEEP USING THAT NEST OVER AND OVER.
THESE PEOPLE WHO ENJOY THE BEAUTY OF PALM BAY MATTER.
IT'S ALL THE PROPERTIES THAT KEEP DISAPPEARING TO BECOME LITERALLY A PARKING LOT IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE. IT'S GOING TO BE SOMEONE ELSE'S HOUSE IF YOU DO THIS BECAUSE I'M LEAVING.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO MOVE IN THERE, BUT YOU'VE GOT A PROFESSIONAL LIVING THERE NOW WHO HAS NEVER BEEN ARRESTED.
I'M A GOOD CITIZEN OF PALM BAY GOOD LUCK WITH THE PEOPLE THAT YOU START GETTING INTO THIS TOWN WHEN YOU TAKE AWAY ALL THE BEAUTY, BECAUSE THOSE OF US WHO CAN LEAVE WILL LEAVE VERY MUCH. MA'AM, DID YOU FILL OUT A COMMON CARD? SHE SAYS, I DID FILL OUT A COMMENT CARD, BUT I DON'T THINK SHE STATED HER NAME AND ADDRESS. OH, NAME AND ADDRESS.
I'M SORRY. YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? I JUST NEED TO WRITE DOWN.
I LOOKED FOR ONE, BUT I DIDN'T SEE ONE.
OH, HERE'S ONE. THERE IT IS. MY NAME IS BRIDGET FOLEY.
I LIVE AT 1855, BIDDLE STREET, NORTHEAST, RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO JACQUELINE.
OKAY. THANK YOU. IF YOU COULD JUST TAKE THAT AND BRING IT BACK UP HERE.
THANK YOU. IN THE INTEREST OF COURTESY TO ALL THE AUDIENCE HERE, PLEASE ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS TO THE.
IF YOU WANT TO COVER THAT, YES, YOU NEED TO ADDRESS THE COMMENTS TO THE CHAIR AND THE BOARD. THE APPLICANT WILL BE ANSWERING QUESTIONS AFTER ALL THE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
THEY'LL BE ANSWERING SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
WE DON'T ENFORCE THE STRICT TIME LIMIT AT PLANNING BOARD, BUT PLEASE BE CONSIDERATE THAT THERE ARE PLENTY OF YOU HERE TONIGHT THAT WANT TO SPEAK.
ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.
SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I JUST MOVED THERE ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
EVERYTHING WAS. WE KIND OF LIVED IN OUR OWN LITTLE AREA.
WHEN YOU LOOKED OUTSIDE, THE TREES WERE BEAUTIFUL.
YOU WERE IN YOUR OWN LITTLE AREA.
AND NOW WITH THIS GOING IN, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT SELLING OUR HOUSE AS WELL.
I DON'T WANT I HAVE A ONE AND A HALF YEAR OLD AT HOME AND I CAN'T HAVE HIM IN THAT AREA, ESPECIALLY IF THIS IS GOING TO BE BRINGING IN MORE BAD TRAFFIC AS IT IS THAT GAS STATION UP THERE. IT BRINGS IN BAD TRAFFIC AS IT IS.
SO IF THEY WANT TO BUILD REDO THAT AREA, DON'T DON'T COME INTO OUR AREA AND TAKE OUT
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THOSE TREES AS IT IS THE HOSPITAL.I MEAN, I'M A HOSPITAL WORKER AND I.
BUT I GOT TO TELL YOU, I HEAR IT I HEAR IT SO LOUD ALREADY, SO I CAN ONLY IMAGINE HOW LOUD IT'S GOING TO BE.
YOU KNOW, I COME HOME FROM WORK.
I DON'T WANT TO HEAR AMBULANCES AT HOME, BUT THAT'S WHAT'S ABOUT TO HAPPEN AS IT IS.
YOU KNOW, I HEAR THE HELICOPTERS COMING AND THAT'S A HUGE THING ALREADY.
BUT YOU CAN PUT THAT ASIDE IF THAT'S ONLY NOW AND THEN.
BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR EVERYTHING, EVERY LITTLE THING, THAT'S GOING TO BE A HUGE ISSUE. NOBODY'S GOING TO BE WANTING TO STAY THERE.
YOU KNOW, WITH ALL OF THIS WITH DUPLEX AND APARTMENT, YOU KNOW, I USED TO LIVE RIGHT IN IN WEST MELBOURNE, RIGHT BEHIND AN APARTMENT COMPLEX.
BEFORE WE LIVED, BEFORE WE MOVED HERE, IT WAS SO LOUD.
IT GATHERS ALL THE KIDS, WHICH IS GREAT TOGETHER, BUT THEY STAY OUT LATE.
THEY THEY'RE OUT THERE PLAYING GAMES.
YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT A BASKETBALL COURT, YOU'RE GOING TO PUT ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS THERE.
WE'RE GOING TO BE HEARING THAT ALL NIGHT LONG.
AND IT'S JUST IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WANTED FOR OUR FAMILY.
I CAN'T IMAGINE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR LONGER.
THEY DON'T WANT THAT FOR THEIR FAMILIES.
ALL THE ANIMALS HAVE BEEN COMING OUT.
I MEAN, I KNOW THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN COMING UP FOR EVERYTHING.
BUT THE ANIMALS REALLY HAVE BEEN PEOPLE THAT HAVE CHICKENS, PEOPLE THAT HAVE OTHER ANIMALS. THEY'RE LOSING THEIR ANIMALS BECAUSE THESE ANIMALS ARE COMING IN AND THEY'RE EATING THEM ALL. SO THAT'S A HUGE, HUGE PROBLEM WE'RE HAVING NOW.
I JUST THINK THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO KEEP IT PEACEFUL AND QUIET, WE SHOULD.
THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE BOUGHT THEIR HOUSES FOR IN THAT AREA.
THEY DIDN'T BUY IT TO BE PUT INTO THIS WHOLE COMMUNITY, A REALLY TIGHT COMMUNITY LIKE THAT, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WANTED.
DREW MEAKINS 1845 BIDDLE STREET.
I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT MY KIDS GRADUATED FROM THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL THERE, SO I'VE SEEN THE TRAFFIC THAT EVERYONE'S TALKING ABOUT.
I'VE REPLACED MY MAILBOX TWICE IN A WEEK BEFORE.
I'M NOT EVEN WORRIED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE MY KIDS GRADUATED FROM THERE.
BUT WHAT I DID WANT TO ADD IS THEY'RE IN HIGH SCHOOL NOW, SO WHEN I WOULD HAVE TO DRIVE THEM, EVERYBODY'S SAYING THE TRAFFIC ON BIDDLE, WHEN I'D HAVE TO DRIVE THEM TO HERITAGE HIGH SCHOOL ON MY WAY BACK, THE BABCOCK AND MALABAR TRAFFIC ALONE, NOT JUST THE BIDDLE TRAFFIC, THE BABCOCK AND MALABAR TRAFFIC.
I WAS IN OVER 45 MINUTES SITTING AT AT THAT LIGHT.
THEY'RE COMING BACK ON MALABAR EAST.
SO I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT THERETO AS WELL.
THANK YOU. YOU'LL LET OUT, SIR.
HI, EVERYBODY. MY NAME IS ADRIAN SMITH, OR MAJOR AND MINOR.
I GOT TO SAY, I MOVED TO FLORIDA BECAUSE I FELL IN LOVE WITH PALM BAY.
I WORK AS A MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL.
WHEN I MOVED INTO THIS HOUSE, I WASN'T MARRIED.
SORRY ABOUT THAT, BUT I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE RAISING A FAMILY IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ALL THIS OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE COME IN TO OUR FACILITY AND, YOU KNOW, NOT TO MENTION ALL THE TRAFFIC.
THERE'S NO PLACE FOR THE KIDS TO WALK.
THE DEPRIVATION OF THE TREES THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS GOING TO BE TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE DAMAGE TO OUR ECOSYSTEM, BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY NOT ONLY SPECIES OF ANIMALS, BUT WE ALSO HAVE SO MANY SPECIES OF ENDANGERED ANIMALS THAT INHABIT THIS AREA AS WELL.
THE AMERICAN ALLIGATORS HAVE BEEN SPOTTED IN THERE.
WE HAVE WOOD STORKS THAT FREQUENT THAT AREA.
WE HAVE THE FLORIDA SANDHILL CRANE AND THEY HAVE COME AND GONE.
I ACTUALLY EVEN HAVE PICTURES OF THEM TAKEN ON OUR PROPERTY AND IN THAT AREA.
BUT I KNOW IN 2010 PALM BAY WENT IN AND THEY'RE TRYING TO DO THE GO GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE AND THAT WAS TO HELP MAINTAIN AND STABILIZE THE GREEN THAT WE HAVE IN OUR AREA.
AND THE TREES PROVIDE SUCH A NATURAL BEAUTY AND IMPORTANCE TO OUR AREA.
THEY SERVE BY CLEANING FLOOD, WATER, FILTRATION, FILTRATION OF POLLUTANTS.
THEY THEY INCREASE THE AIR QUALITY BY REDUCING POLLUTION AND REDUCING GREENHOUSE GASES.
AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WIPING OUT 18 ACRES OF THIS.
IT'S NOT REALLY BENEFICIAL TO OUR CITY.
WE HAVE A WHOLE AREA OF THE COMPOUND THAT COULD BE DEVELOPED FOR THIS PARTICULAR CASE AND
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THAT'S NOT BEING USED.I THINK WE COULD BE A LITTLE MORE EFFICIENT AND USE AREAS THAT ARE ALREADY DEVELOPED AND NOT. YOU HAVE TO GO INTO DESTROYING WHAT NATURAL BEAUTY WE ALREADY HAVE.
THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK? THANK YOU SO MUCH. MY NAME IS BETSY GILBERT AND I LIVE AT 1902 BIDDLE STREET, WHICH IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
I HAVE LIVED ON BIDDLE STREET, OFF AND ON, SINCE, FOR THE MOST PART, 1970.
MY FATHER BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY, WHICH WAS ACTUALLY TEN ACRES.
WE NOW LIVE ON AN ACRE AND A HALF.
WE SOLD THE RESIDENCE AT 1942, WHICH WAS MY CHILDHOOD HOME.
IN 2016 IT WAS RENOVATED, AND THEN THE LOVELY FAMILY THAT LIVES THERE NOW HAS A YOUNG CHILD. I JUST WANT TO SAY SEVERAL THINGS.
FIRST OF ALL, I COMPLETELY OPPOSE MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTS ON BIDDLE STREET IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.
I UNDERSTAND THAT WE NEED RESIDENCES, WE NEED NEW APARTMENTS.
I UNDERSTAND THE HOUSING NEED, BUT THERE ARE APARTMENTS GOING UP EVERYWHERE AND THERE ARE PROPERTIES UP AND DOWN MALABAR ROAD THAT WOULD NOT HAVE ANY IMPACT ON A RESIDENTIAL AREA SUCH AS BIDDLE STREET.
IT IS A CLOSED AREA FOR THE MOST PART BECAUSE THERE'S REALLY ONE WAY IN EASY AND ONE WAY OUT. MOST OF US, WHEN I GOT MARRIED AND LEFT MY PARENTS HOME AT 1942, WE BUILT OUR HOME AT 1902 TO RAISE OUR KIDS BECAUSE IT WAS SUCH A BEAUTIFUL AREA WE HAVE SEEN.
I WON'T GO INTO ALL THE ANIMALS.
EVERYONE ELSE HAS ALREADY TOLD YOU EVERYTHING THAT I SEE WEEKLY.
THE INFRASTRUCTURE AT BIDDLE STREET, AT DWYER STREET, AT MALABAR, AND BABCOCK CANNOT HANDLE THIS IN SUCH CLOSE PROXIMITY.
HAVE YOU TRIED TO GO EASTBOUND ON MALABAR TO US? ONE TO GET TO WORK IN THE MORNING? YOU CAN'T DO IT EASILY WITHOUT A TRAFFIC JAM.
YOU CERTAINLY CAN'T GO NORTH ON BABCOCK STREET WITHOUT A TRAFFIC JAM.
THE SCHOOL IS OVERCROWDED ALREADY.
I DIDN'T REALIZE UNTIL I SAW THIS RENDERING.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE HOUSES THAT LINE, BIDDLE STREET, YOU'LL SEE MY PROPERTY, WHICH IS.
I'LL SHOW YOU. THIS LITTLE POND.
THIS IS MY HOUSE WITH THE LITTLE POND.
IT'S IN THE U-SHAPED PORTION WHERE THERE DEVELOPMENT IS A U-SHAPE AROUND MY HOUSE.
MY GRANDDAUGHTER'S BEDROOM WILL BE, FROM THE LOOKS OF THIS.
15 TO 20 FEET AWAY FROM MULTIFAMILY.
WE WILL LOSE OUR SMALL COMMUNITY FEEL.
AND WE WILL LOSE GREEN TREES EVERYWHERE.
AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE NEED HOUSING AND WE NEED DEVELOPING, BUT THERE ARE BETTER PLACES TO BUILD THAN KNOCKING DOWN 17 ACRES OF ANIMAL FILLED, BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY.
I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I MOVED HERE WHEN I WAS TEN.
I'M 60, SO I'VE LIVED HERE FOR 50 YEARS.
I GREW UP. I WENT TO PALM BAY HIGH SCHOOL.
I BECAME A PALM BAY POLICE OFFICER IN 1987, SHORTLY AFTER THE CREW'S SHOOTING.
I RETIRED AFTER 23 YEARS OF SERVICE TO THIS COMMUNITY.
IT'S EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM'S COMMUNITY.
WE REALLY NEED TO TAKE CARE OF IT AND WE REALLY NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE GIVEN THEIR. FOR ME, PRETTY MUCH MY ENTIRE LIFE TO THIS PLACE.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO RETIRE IN PEACE AND QUIET AND NOT WITH THIS MULTIFAMILY CONGLOMERATE FROM OUT OF STATE COMING IN TO INVADE.
REALLY A PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL PLACE.
I THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALLOWING US TO SPEAK.
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I'LL FILL OUT MY CARD IF I CAN FIND ONE.THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK? SO. NO, THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. I'M TRYING NOT TO FALL IN FRONT.
GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
I LIVE IN ANOTHER SECTION OF PALM BAY, NOT NECESSARILY CLOSE TO THIS AREA, BUT I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IN THE AREA.
I KNOW I'VE HAD PARTICULAR PROBLEMS GETTING THROUGH THE AREA AROUND WHERE MALABAR MEETS MEETS BABCOCK STREET.
I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE PACE OF DEVELOPMENT AND THE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE SEEING IN PALM BAY THESE DAYS.
THE PROPOSAL IS, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IS FOR DUPLEXES AND COTTAGE TYPE APARTMENTS, AND I'M SURE THEY'RE VERY NICE, BUT I DON'T SEE THEM AT ALL COMPATIBLE WITH THE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE JOINING THEM.
I REALLY FEEL FOR THE PEOPLE WHO OWN THE PROPERTY AND LIVE ADJACENT ON BIDDLE STREET IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU DENY THIS, THIS APPLICATION.
I LIVE AT 1895 BIDDLE STREET AND.
THIS IS OUR HOUSE RIGHT HERE ON THE CORNER.
WHEN WE FIRST DECIDED THAT WE WERE GOING TO MOVE TO PALM BAY AND WE WERE LOOKING AT HOUSES, THAT WAS THE VERY FIRST HOUSE THAT WE SEEN.
WE'D LOVE TO VIEW THAT IT HADN'T.
EVERYTHING WE WENT AROUND THAT DAY, WE SEEN PROBABLY TEN OTHER HOMES AND WE TOLD OUR REALTOR THAT WE WANTED TO PUT A BID ON THAT FIRST HOUSE THAT WE SEEN BECAUSE OF THE TREES, THE QUIETNESS.
YOU COULD SEE PEOPLE OUT WALKING THEIR DOGS AND PEOPLE JUST CHIT CHATTING WITH ONE ANOTHER. IT WAS A NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU TAKE AND YOU CUT THOSE TREES AWAY.
I TOLD MY HUSBAND, I SAID, IF THERE'S AN APARTMENT BUILDING GOING IN THERE, I'M READY TO PUT THE HOUSE UP FOR SALE.
WE'VE ONLY LIVED THERE THREE YEARS AND WE'VE BEEN IN FLORIDA SINCE 2013.
WE MOVED FROM SEBASTIAN, AND THE ONLY REASON WHY WAS BECAUSE OUR LANDLORD WAS GOING TO SELL THE HOUSE WE WERE LIVING IN.
AND WE SAID, WHAT A GREAT OPPORTUNITY.
YOU TAKE ALL THOSE TREES AWAY.
YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE AWAY THE FRIENDLINESS OF A NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE AWAY A COMMUNITY THAT DOESN'T MIND STOPPING AND TALKING TO ONE ANOTHER, EVEN IF YOU JUST MOVED IN.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ANY OF THESE GUYS, BUT I HATE TO LOSE THEM.
I REALLY WOULD, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IF I HAD A PROBLEM, IN FACT, RIGHT AFTER WE MOVED IN, WHICH WAS A HURRICANE SEASON, WE MOVED DURING IT.
I LOCKED MYSELF OUT OF THE HOUSE AT 10:00 AT NIGHT.
I WALKED RIGHT NEXT DOOR AND THEY WERE WILLING TO HELP ME.
THEY HAD NEVER SEEN ME BEFORE OR ANYTHING.
TAKE THE TREES, PUT HER IN AN APARTMENT BUILDING.
ALL I CAN SAY IS ADIOS, PALM BAY.
WE'RE OUT OF PAPERS. YEAH, BUT, YOU KNOW.
DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT CARD OR SPEAKER'S CARD? THEY'RE OUT.
HI. MY NAME IS VICKI MAYS AND I LIVE AT 218 BRANDT AVENUE.
I AM ONE HOUSE AWAY FROM BIDDLE, AND I'M NOT GOING TO REPEAT WHAT EVERYONE HAS SAID.
AND MR. WEINBERG, I AGREE WITH YOU.
BUT WE DON'T NEED THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, AS SOME OF THE PEOPLE HAVE SAID, IT'S A GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'D SAY THE AVERAGE SIZE OF THE HOMES, 5500 SQUARE FEET.
I'M LOOKING AT THESE AND THEY GO FROM 600 TO 1000.
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MAYBE I'M ABOVE MY RAISIN, AS MY MOM WOULD SAY.BUT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD DOESN'T DESERVE THAT.
IF THEY SAY THEY CAN'T COME OUT ON BIDDLE, BUT THEY'RE STILL GOING TO RUN ACROSS.
THEY'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE A CLUBHOUSE.
THEY'RE GOING TO RUN AROUND. THEY'RE GOING TO IT JUST ISN'T RIGHT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO BUILD THAT TYPE OF HOUSING.
SO I AM OPPOSED AND I HOPE I MEAN, I HAVE LIVED HERE SINCE 1978.
I'VE LIVED IN THAT HOUSE SINCE 1978.
I THINK BETSY AND I ARE PROBABLY THE OWNERS NEIGHBORS AROUND.
WE'VE HAD BRAHMA BULLS GO DOWN THE STREET.
WE'VE HAD. JUST DON'T DO IT TO US.
IS THERE A PAPER HERE, MA'AM? SCOTT.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK? SEEING, THEN I'LL SEE.
I LIVE AT 1382 NORWOOD ROAD, PALM BAY, FLORIDA, 32907.
MY NEIGHBORHOOD MIRRORS THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'M DIRECTLY ACROSS BABCOCK STREET, SO WE'RE OLDER, ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS.
I MEAN, I'M NOT ANTI DEVELOPMENT BY ANY STRETCH.
I KNOW IT'S A NECESSARY EVIL, BUT MULTIFAMILY DOESN'T NEED TO BE IN THIS SPOT.
THEY COULD LEAVE A BARRIER OF THE TREES AND PUT IN HOMES AND COMPROMISE WITH THEIR NEIGHBORS. AND I THINK THERE'S A WAY FOR THE CITY AND THE RESIDENTS AND THE DEVELOPER TO WORK TOGETHER TO TRY TO FIND A SOLUTION.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? SITTING DOWN WITH THE APPLICANT.
I'D LIKE TO START WITH THE LAST SPEAKER'S STATEMENT.
MULTIFAMILY DOESN'T BELONG HERE.
THAT PROPERTY WE'RE DISCUSSING ALREADY HAS MULTIFAMILY, ZONING AND MULTIFAMILY FUTURE LAND USE ON MORE THAN HALF OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO, TO REZONE AND TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE. AS I MENTIONED, IT'S LIKE AN ALPHABET SOUP.
YOU HAVE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENT AGAINST BIDDLE, THEN YOU HAVE OFFICE PROFESSIONAL, THEN YOU HAVE MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
SO THIS ISN'T A COMPLETE CHANGE AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS UNKNOWN TO ANYONE WHO BOUGHT IN THE AREA. IT'S BEEN THIS WAY FOR A WHILE.
AND THIS IS ACTUALLY A LOWER DENSITY THAT IN THEORY COULD BE THERE WITH THE MULTIFAMILY OF 15 UNITS TO THE ACRE.
SO THIS IS ONLY 6.7 UNITS TO THE ACRE.
THESE ARE NOT APARTMENT BUILDINGS.
THESE ARE DUPLEXES AND COTTAGES.
THESE ARE MARKET RATE APARTMENTS AT $2 A SQUARE FOOT, WHICH IF YOU AVERAGE THAT OUT, IT'S THEIR THEIR REGULAR RENTAL RATES.
THEY'RE GOING TO BRING IN YOUNG PROFESSIONALS.
THERE'S NOT MANY THREE BEDROOMS THAT'S NOT REALLY MADE FOR SMALL FAMILIES.
THE AMENITIES ARE ON MALABAR ROAD.
IF YOU LOOK AT EVERYONE HAS SEEN THE PICTURES BY NOW.
SO THE POOL AND ANYTHING THAT CHILDREN MAY BE PLAYING ON OR ANYONE ELSE IS ON MALABAR ROAD AND THAT IS MORE OF A COMMERCIAL AREA INDEED.
AND WE ARE LEAVING AN ACRE OF COMMERCIAL THERE ALONG MALABAR ROAD, AS WE HAVE HEARD FROM MANY OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT THEY WANT COMMERCIAL TO BE NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL.
SO THAT WAS PART OF THE RATIONALE AND THERE IS COMMERCIAL ON ON THAT AREA TO BE VERY CLEAR AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I'LL HAVE TO SAY THIS.
THERE IS NO ACCESS ON MIDDLE STREET.
IT'S NOT THE INTENDED TO DO IT.
THEY CHOSE THAT AS AS PART OF THE THE BACK END.
THERE'S GOING TO BE A SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE.
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CHILDREN ARE NOT GOING TO BE GOING THROUGH THE FENCE TO GET TO BIDDLE STREET.WE HAVE PROVIDED A SCHOOL CONCURRENCY.
THERE ARE THERE IS PLENTY OF ROOM IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM FOR ANY CHILDREN THAT MAY BE HERE.
AGAIN, THIS IS GEARED TOWARD YOUNG PROFESSIONALS.
WE'VE SUBMITTED A TRAFFIC STUDY.
THIS DOES NOT DECREASE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE OF TRAFFIC.
THERE WILL BE NO TRAFFIC FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT ON BIDDLE.
I MEAN, A PRIVATE PROPERTY AND THERE WILL BE TREES THAT WILL BE SAVED.
BUT IT IS A DEVELOPMENT AND IT IS MUCH NEEDED HOUSING.
AND AGAIN, IT'S AN UPPER END HOUSING.
IT'S NOT GOING TO DECREASE ANY PROPERTY VALUES, NOR HAS THERE BEEN ANY EVEN STATEMENT THAT THERE WILL BE. THE TREES THAT HAVE BEEN REMOVED.
THERE WAS A SURVEYOR ON SITE AND IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT DEVELOPMENT, TO GET TO A HEAVILY WOODED AREA WITH SURVEYORS AND SURVEY EQUIPMENT, SOME TREES DO COME DOWN.
IF THERE IS A NOISE PROBLEM FROM THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF THAT IS PROVIDED FOR IN YOUR PERFORMANCE STANDARDS AND IN YOUR CITY CODES AS TO WHAT NOISES ARE ALLOWED TO COME FROM ANY RESIDENTIAL.
AND THIS IS RESIDENTIAL, THIS MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
THERE COULD BE ALL KINDS OF THINGS HERE.
THIS IS BRINGING A NICE NEW DEVELOPMENT FROM A VALID AND RESPECTABLE DEVELOPER WHO WOULD LIKE TO ALSO SPEAK.
AND HE'LL COME UP HERE AND TALK MOMENTARILY.
WELL, THERE'S NO ACCESS ON BIDDLE.
THERE WILL BE A SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE.
SCHOOL CONCURRENCY IS NOT AN ISSUE.
THIS WILL NOT REDUCE THE LEVELS OF SERVICE OF TRAFFIC.
AND AGAIN, THESE ARE MORE ZONING MATTERS AND SITE PLAN ISSUES, BUT THEY'VE ALL BEEN BROUGHT UP NOW.
AND WITH THAT, I'D ASK IF JEREMY MYERS WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.
HE IS WITH THE BROWNSTONE GROUP, THE DEVELOPER.
I'M ONE OF THE DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS WITH BROWNSTONE.
WE'RE BASED OUT OF HOUSTON, TEXAS.
SO KYM TOUCHED ON A LOT OF THE HIGH POINTS.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS THIS TYPE OF PRODUCT, IT IS A NEW TYPE PRODUCT IN FLORIDA, I THINK POST-COVID, PEOPLE WERE TIRED OF LIVING IN HIGH DENSITY MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS WHERE YOU'RE PASSING PEOPLE AND BREEZE WAYS AND INTERIOR COURTYARDS.
AND SO THIS THIS TYPE PRODUCT STARTED OUT IN ARIZONA.
IT'S KIND OF MOVED THROUGH TEXAS AND NOW IT'S MOVING OVER INTO THE FLORIDA AREA.
AND IT IS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN YOUR TYPICAL HIGH DENSITY APARTMENT DEVELOPMENTS BECAUSE IT'S A LOWER DENSE PRODUCT.
BUT PEOPLE ARE DEMANDING THIS PRODUCT HERE.
LATELY, THE OCCUPANCY RATES IN PALM BAY ARE ABOUT 98%.
THERE'S NO HOUSING. AND SO IT'S TAKEN A LOT, ESPECIALLY IN THIS MARKET WITH THE INFLATION. IT'S TAKEN A LOT TO TRY TO BUILD PRODUCT RIGHT NOW.
AND, YOU KNOW, BEING THAT BEING THAT HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL COULD BE BUILT ON THIS SIDE, I THINK A LOWER DENSITY PRODUCT REALLY FITS WITH THE AREA BECAUSE THERE IS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO THE NORTH.
AND SO WE DO A LOT OF WE DO FELONY CHECKS, WE DO BACKGROUND CHECKS ON ANYBODY THAT LIVES IN OUR DEVELOPMENTS. WE'RE NOT GOING TO LET FELONS LIVE THERE.
AND SO THIS IS IT'S A VERY EXPENSIVE TO LIVE IN A PROPERTY LIKE THIS.
AND SO WE HAVE BACKYARDS FOR DOGS.
I KNOW KIM TOUCHED ON THAT, BUT IT'S A VERY HIGH END DEVELOPMENT.
AND WE JUST AND YES, WE DO HIGH END, HIGH DENSITY APARTMENTS AS WELL.
BUT WE'RE NOT DOING THAT IN FLORIDA BECAUSE THE MARKET IS NOT DEMANDING IT RIGHT NOW.
THEY WANT TO LOWER DENSITY BACKYARDS FOR THEIR DOGS AND HE WANTS TO BUY HE WANTS TO FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE A HOUSE.
SO I CAN ASSURE YOU IT'LL BE IT'LL BE GREAT FAMILIES AND YOUNGER PROFESSIONALS LIVING THERE. AND AS WELL, LIKE KIM SAID, WE DON'T HAVE ANY HARDLY ANY THREE BEDROOM UNITS.
THIS IS MORE FOR JUST YOUNGER COUPLES THAT ARE WORKING IN THE AREA.
SO AND WE ALSO WE WILL HAVE A SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE ALONG THE BACK AND ALONG THE SIDES TO BE A BUFFER. AND WE DO HAVE A 25 FOOT SETBACK OFF OFF THE OFF THE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT TO THE NORTH. SO THAT'LL WILL ALSO HELP WITH SOME SCREENING AS WELL.
SO. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'LL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON MATCHROOM FOR YOU, BUT.
YEAH. THE PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE SORT.
NO MORE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
SO FIRST QUESTION, WERE YOU REQUIRED TO HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING WITH THIS WITH THIS PROJECT? OKAY.
I THINK IT WOULD HAVE JUST BEEN NICE TO DO THAT, WOULD HAVE SAVED A LOT OF OUT OF THIS.
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JUST TO CLARIFY FOR THE YOUR NEIGHBORS.AND ALSO, IS THERE ANY LARGE SET GREEN SPACE BASED ON SEEING THIS? I WAS TRYING TO IMAGINE IS THE SECTION HERE, IS THAT IS THAT GOING TO BE LEFT OR THAT'S WHERE THE COMMERCIAL IS GOING TO BE? WELL, THE ROUNDABOUT WERE THE FRONT WERE KIND OF THE GOLF COURSE.
LITTLE GREEN AREA IS WHEN WE'RE LEAVING.
YES, MA'AM. SOME OF THAT AREA.
WE DON'T OWN SOME OF THAT LAND.
YEAH. BUT SOME OF THE WHERE THE THE DETENTION AREA IS, WE'RE USING SOME OF THAT.
THAT'LL BE FOR SOME GREEN THAT'S CONSIDERED GREEN SPACE, BUT MOST OF IT WOULD BE DEVELOPED. YES, MA'AM.
BUT IT'S A VERY LOW, DENSE PRODUCT COMPARED TO WHAT? ONE OF THE PERSONS HERE MENTIONED ACTUALLY WORKING WITH THE YOU KNOW, CLOSELY WITH THE CITIZENS, ESPECIALLY TOWARDS THAT BACK END AREA THAT'S CLOSE TO BIDDLE, LEAVING ADDITIONAL GREEN SPACE.
ARE YOU OPEN TO ANY OPTIONS OR SUGGESTIONS OR WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY TO SEE IF YOU COULD INCREASE THE DISTANCE? WELL, WE'VE GOT A 25 FOOT GREEN SPACE AND THEN FROM THERE WE HAD THAT'S WHERE THE BACKYARD START. SO THERE'S MORE GREEN SPACE FROM THE FENCE WHERE PEOPLE'S YARDS ARE TO WHERE THE HOUSE IS AS WELL.
SO YOU'VE GOT 25 SMALL, LIKE A SIX FOOT CEDAR FENCE, AND THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER THEN THE HOUSE GOES FROM THERE.
SO YOU'RE PROBABLY THE HOUSE IS PROBABLY 35 TO 40 FEET OFF THE ROAD.
OKAY. THE FLOOR IS NOW CLOSED FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS AND THE CASE IS BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD. OR ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR I NEED A MOTION.
LOOK, FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANT TO COMMENT ON SOMETHING MRS. ROSENKER SAID. THIS PROPERTY CAN ALREADY BE DEVELOPED.
IT CAN ALREADY BE DEVELOPED AT A HIGHER DENSITY.
SO, YOU KNOW, ALL THINGS CONSIDERED.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS REALLY ABOUT THE BEST THING THAT THAT YOU COULD ASK FOR IN THIS IN THIS PROPERTY. SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CP 15 2022.
HAVE A SECOND. SECOND BY MR. WEINBERG. SECOND BY MR. BURMA. ALL IN FAVOR, I.
HE OPPOSED. MISSION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
ANDERSON. THE NEXT CASE, PLEASE.
THE REALTORS TOLD US OUR HOME IS WORTH LESS.
AND THERE'S NOT A CHANCE. OH, SORRY.
I THOUGHT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR THESE. NO, NO, I WAS JUST GOING TO BRING THEM UP HERE TO GET YOU OUT OF YOUR WAY SO I DON'T ACCIDENTALLY PICK THEM UP WHEN I'M OFF.
WE'RE STILL. WE'RE STILL HAVING A MEETING, SIR.
THANK YOU. MR. ANDERSON. ABSOLUTELY.
FOR OUR FINAL PIECE OF NEW BUSINESS THIS EVENING, WE HAVE CPAC 15, 20, 22, THE COMPANION PIECE TO THE FUTURE NEWS THAT WE JUST HEARD.
THIS IS FOR THE ZONING AMENDMENT.
IT IS LOCATED BETWEEN AND ADJACENT TO MALABAR ROAD AND MALABAR ROAD, NORTHEAST AND BIDDLE STREET, NORTHEAST. AGAIN, IT IS APPROXIMATELY 18.44 ACRES IN SIZE.
THE CURRENT ZONING DISTRICT IS ROOM 15, SINGLE FAMILY ROOM 15, SINGLE FAMILY TWO, AND MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS AS WELL AS OFFICE, PROFESSIONAL ZONING DISTRICT AND RS TWO. SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A REZONING FROM REM 15 SINGLE TO AND MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT OP OFFICE, PROFESSIONAL DISTRICT AND RS.
TWO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT TO REM TEN AND H.S.
HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL LAND IS CURRENTLY VACANT.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF CPC 15 2022 AND REQUEST THAT THE PLANNING BOARD ALSO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF CPC 15 2022.
STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL.
THANK YOU. THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I'M JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHY THEY WERE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING.
TO BE HONEST, I WOULD HAVE TO VERIFY THAT.
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BUT I BELIEVE THAT PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENTS FOR THE ZONING CASES DO GO THROUGH THE COMMUNITY MEETING PROCESS.I CAN DEFER TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY OR TO OUR GROWTH MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR FOR FURTHER ELABORATION, THOUGH. SO.
SO THERE ARE CERTAIN CASES THAT GET PRESENTED BEFORE YOU THAT HAVE TO HAVE THE COMMUNITY PARTICIPATION FUTURE LAND USE AND IS NOT ONE OF THOSE.
THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME FORWARD.
CHAIR JORDAN MEMBERS OF PLANNING ZONING BOARD AGAIN, MY NAME IS KIM ROSENKER.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE DEVELOPER, THE BROWNSTONE GROUP.
WITH ME IS, AS I'VE MENTIONED, BRUCE MOIR WITH MOVIE ENGINEERING, WHO'S THE ENGINEER OF RECORD, AND JEREMY MEARS WITH THE BROWNSTONE GROUP.
BUT THIS IS ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE ALPHABET SOUP MASSES THAT WE CAN NOW TRY TO CLEAR UP NOW THAT THE IF THE FUTURE LINE USE HAS CHANGED, YOU'VE BEEN PRESENTED THE PROJECT, THERE WILL BE A PRIVACY FENCE.
BIDDLE STREET WILL NOT BE ACCESSED.
THERE IS CONCURRENCY, THERE IS TRAFFIC CONCURRENCY.
THERE IS ALREADY RESIDENTIAL 15 ON THIS PROPERTY OFFICE PROFESSIONAL AND SINGLE FAMILY.
THIS IS GOING TO BE LESS DENSE THAN COULD BE AT 15 UNITS THE ACRE PLUS WITH THE ADDITIONAL LANDS AND IT WILL BE APPROXIMATELY 6.7 U.S.A.
MARKET RATE APARTMENTS, COTTAGE STYLE AND DUPLEXES AND AGAIN IS GEARED TOWARDS YOUNG PROFESSIONALS AND THERE WILL BE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE MET.
THE AMENITIES ARE GOING TO BE ON MALABAR ROAD AND IF THERE'S ANY CONCERNS WITH TREES, THEY WILL MEET WHATEVER ORDINANCES ARE REQUIRED REGARDING YOUR TREE ORDINANCES WHEN IT COMES TO THE SITE PLAN ISSUES.
IF YOU HAVE ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS.
IF YOU DO NOT, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU APPROVE THE REZONING TO THE HHC ON THE ONE ACRE ON MALABAR AND THE ARE YOU TO OR RM10 ON THE REMAINING 14.7 17.44 ACRES.
THANK YOU. CHRISTIANS DID MENTION THAT A TREE SURVEY THERE WILL HAVE TO BE A TREE SURVEY.
AND I DON'T KNOW YOUR TREE CODE.
I APOLOGIZE. I'M NOT THAT FAMILIAR WITH IT BUT OBVIOUSLY THEY WILL MEET WITH EVER HAS TO BE DONE AND I'M SURE TREES WILL HAVE TO BE PLANTED IF THEY'RE TAKEN OUT.
I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR TREE CODE IS, BUT THAT IS A SITE PLAN ISSUE AND THEY INTEND TO ABIDE BY ALL YOUR RULES.
FOR THE RECORD, THERE ARE NO LETTERS IN THE FILE.
THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
IS THERE ANYONE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS APPLICATION? YOU WANT TO OPPOSED.
THANK YOU. MY NAME IS BETSY GILBERT.
I LIVE AT 1902 BIDDLE STREET, SO MY PROPERTY IS ADJACENT TO THE NORTH EAST CORNER OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
BUT THEN I SEE A TEN FOOT SETBACK FROM MY PROPERTY TO FROM FROM MY PROPERTY LINE TO THE APARTMENTS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT.
HOW CAN IT ONLY BE TEN FEET TO MY PROPERTY LINE? I ASK ANY OF YOU HERE WHO OWN A HOME.
DO YOU WANT THIS NEXT TO YOUR HOME? TEN, TEN FEET AWAY.
LIKE I SAID, MY GRANDDAUGHTER SLEEPS NOW 20 FEET AWAY FROM AN APARTMENT COMPLEX.
SO I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE SOMETHING FROM THE DEVELOPER IN TERMS OF.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN JUST COMING IN AND DOING THEIR THING.
TEN FOOT SETBACK IS YOU KNOW, I HAVE A 20,600 UNDER HOME.
MY MY HOME IS PROBABLY WORTH $450,000.
I'M GOING TO DIE THERE BECAUSE THAT WAS MY PLAN ALL ALONG.
AND NOW MY PROPERTY VALUE, I CAN GUARANTEE YOU, IS GOING DOWN AS AS THE CLOCK IS TICKING RIGHT NOW. MY PROPERTY VALUE IS GOING DOWN.
AND I JUST WANT YOU ALL TO BE AWARE.
I KNOW YOU'RE ALREADY GOING TO APPROVE IT.
WHATEVER. I APPRECIATE THE TIME FOR LETTING ME SPEAK.
I DO HOPE THAT THE DEVELOPER WOULD MAYBE REACH OUT TO ME AS I THINK I AM COMPLETELY.
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PROBABLY THE MOST IMPACTED PERSON BY THIS WHOLE COMPLEX.THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
Q ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? HER NAME IS PHILIP CORCORAN LIVE ON WEINBERG DRIVE, WHICH IS NOT ANYWHERE NEAR HERE.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE BOARD WHEN WE JUST HEARD THAT THERE WAS A TRAFFIC STUDY DONE.
I MEAN, WE WERE SOMETHING JUST SHORT OF GRIDLOCK.
SAMMY OR WE HAVE TO HAVE TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC TIED UP AT ONE AT THE EXIT RIGHT HERE ON MALABAR ROAD.
BEFORE WE SAY ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
WE DID THE ONE EARLIER AND GOT IT.
THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? YOU ALREADY FILLED OUT A CARD BEFORE, DIDN'T YOU? NO, I DIDN'T. OH, YOU DIDN'T. OKAY, HE DIDN'T.
WHAT DO I JUST FILL OUT ON ONE OF THESE PIECE OF PAPER? YEAH, JUST. IT WAS LIKE SOMEBODY'S PROPOSAL.
I'LL TAKE ANYTHING. THANK YOU.
LET'S USE THOSE. SEEING NO ONE ELSE WITH THE APPLICANT LIKE TO RESPOND.
CAMERAS, ANCHOR FOR THE APPLICANT.
WE'VE HEARD MS.. GILBERT, THE DEVELOPER, AND I HAVE BOTH GIVEN OUR CARDS TO HER.
WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW TO MAKE SURE THAT SHE'S AS LEAST IMPACTED AS WE CAN DURING THE SITE PLAN PROCESS.
SO WE WILL INDEED WORK WITH HER.
SHE DOES HAVE A VERY UNIQUE SITUATION, AND WE DO HAVE ONE STORY IN TWO STORIES.
WE HAVE WINDOWS AND NON WINDOWS ON THAT SIDE.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT FOR HER.
BUT AGAIN, I WOULD SAY THAT THIS IS A ZONING MATTER.
THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THIS AREA AND APPROPRIATE USE BASED UPON THE SINGLE FAMILY TO THE NORTH.
AND THEN MOVING DOWN FURTHER TO A MULTIFAMILY THAT'S A LITTLE MORE DENSE AND THEN GOING INTO COMMERCIAL AREA.
SO WITH THAT, I'D ASK THAT YOU APPROVE IT AND ALSO TO THE TRAFFIC ISSUES WILL BE RESOLVED IF THERE ARE ANY.
WE HAVE SUBMITTED A TRAFFIC REPORT, BUT THAT WOULD ALSO BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE LOOKED AT WITH THE CITY DURING THE SITE PLAN PROCESS.
WITH THAT, I'D ASK THAT YOU APPROVE THE REZONING REQUEST AS REQUESTED.
FLOOR IS NOW CLOSED FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS IN THE CASE IS BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD OR ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR EMOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE CPC 15 2022.
MOTION BY MR. BURMA SECOND BY KAMARAJ.
THE MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
THE MEETING. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE?
[OTHER BUSINESS]
YES. MEETING ADJOURN.MEETINGS. ADJOURN? NOPE, NOT ADJOURN.
AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THIS IS MY LAST BOARD MEETING WITH YOU ALL.
SO I DO I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT MR. MESSENGER WILL PROBABLY BE HANDLING THE MEETINGS IN THE NEAR FUTURE AND OR MISS SMITH, THE CITY ATTORNEY. I HAVE WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR SERVING, AND I HAVE A FEW LOVE NOTES FOR YOU AS I LEAVE.
JUST MAKE SURE IN THE FUTURE TO REMEMBER A FEW THINGS IF YOU CAN.
MAKE SURE WHEN YOU'RE MAKING A MOTION TO DENY PROJECT AS MR. WEINBERG TONIGHT STATE THE DENIAL REASON YOU HAVE TO BASE YOUR DENIALS ON SUBSTANTIAL COMPETITION. SORRY.
MY LANGUAGE. LONG NIGHT, RIGHT? COMPETENT. SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
NOT JUST EMOTION, NOT JUST POPULAR OPINION.
YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER, IT'S NOT ABOUT THE NIMBY.
IT'S NOT ABOUT THE NOT IN MY BACKYARD.
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SADLY, WE HAVE TO REMEMBER OUR ROLES AS BOARD MEMBERS AND SERVING THE PUBLIC AT LARGE.AND IT WAS A LIVELY MEETING AND I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU ALL AND MAKE SURE WE'RE ADHERING TO THE ITEMS WE NEED TO.
GETTING THE SPEAKER CARDS, MAKING SURE THEY'RE TURNED IN, MAKING SURE A COPY GETS TO ME AND SANDRA OR ERIC, AS IT MAY BE.
ENJOY THE REST OF YOUR TERM AND THANK YOU.
DO. I'LL BE AROUND FOR A FEW WEEKS IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR TRANSITION.
HEY.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.