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ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO BRING MEETING 2022-07 TO ORDER.
THE PLEDGE IS GOING TO BE BY RANDALL.
THE STATES OF AMERICA FOR WHICH IT STANDS, GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
TERESA, ROLL CALL. CHAIR CAPOTE.
YOU'RE MR. DELGADO. MR. MYERS. MR. MACLEOD. MR. MOORE. MR. JONES. MR. CHANDLER, YOU'RE MR. OLSZEWSKI PRESIDENT.
DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR NON AGENDA ITEMS?
[PUBLIC COMMENTS]
EXCUSE. THANK YOU ALL. YEAH.I FIRST WANT TO SAY I'M SO GRATEFUL FOR THIS COMMISSION.
I'M SO GRATEFUL TO HAVE FELLOW CITIZENS REVIEWING THE CHARTER.
AND I WANTED TO TELL YOU, THE MORE DIVERSE THE CONVERSATION GETS, THE MORE I FEEL REPRESENTED. SO THANK YOU ALL FOR DISAGREEING.
AND OKAY, SO MY QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH CITY ORDINANCE ORDINANCES, THOUGH, AND I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT CITY GOVERNMENT, BUT ARE THE ORDINANCES ALSO REVIEWED? HOW ARE THEY REVIEWED AND CHANGED? IS THERE A CITIZEN COMPONENT TO THAT? YOU GOT IT. I GUESS THE QUESTION WILL BE, ARE YOU REFERRING TO AFTER IF ITEMS PASS THROUGH THE CHARTER AMENDMENTS, THEN THE CITY ATTORNEY AND I WILL GET TOGETHER AND WE BASICALLY MODIFY ANY ORDINANCES THAT WILL BE IN CONFLICT WITH THE CHARTER.
SO THE ORDINANCES THAT MAYBE WON'T GET MODIFIED OR DON'T COME BEFORE THE CHARTER.
I'M THINKING SPECIFICALLY OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, CHARTERS AND ORDINANCES THAT ARE ALREADY IN EFFECT.
IS THERE ANY WAY THAT CITIZENS CAN REVIEW THOSE OR HAVE INPUT TO POSSIBLE CHANGE THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN MISSED BY THE CHARTER? I'LL TAKE THAT ONE. UM.
SO I FEEL LIKE I'M REALLY LOUD.
THE CHARTER REVIEW PROCESS ONLY LOOKS AT THAT LIMITED SCOPE OF WHAT'S IN THE CHARTER.
AND LIKE TERRY SAID, ANY ANY ORDINANCES, MAYBE THE TIE TO IT IF YOU WANT TO MAKE CHANGES LIKE WE'VE BEEN TALKING A LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT SO YOU REFERENCED PLANNING AND ZONING.
UM, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT PATHS.
WELL, MAYBE THREE. THERE'S, THERE'S ORDINANCES THAT GET CHANGED BECAUSE STAFF REALIZES WE NEED A CHANGE.
THERE'S PUBLIC COMMENT THAT HAPPENS AT COUNCIL MEETINGS AND SOMETIMES GOOD IDEAS COME THERE THAT LEAD TO STAFF OR COUNCIL EFFORTS.
ALSO, AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE ACTIVELY WORKING ON OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REVIEW.
AND SO THAT PART OF THAT IS ACTUALLY TO DO A LOOK AT OUR OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, OUR ORDINANCES THAT AFFECTS HOW WE GROW AS A CITY.
SO THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN KIND OF NATURALLY ANYWAY THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
AND THEN, AS YOU MAY KNOW, WE'RE WORKING INTERNALLY ON SOME LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT EFFORTS THAT WILL COME TO COUNCIL ANYWAY.
SO SOME THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS.
BUT IF YOU WANT TO TALK OFFLINE, SUSAN, I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT.
YES, I KNOW FURTHER ABOUT SPECIFIC DETAILS.
YOU KNOW, JUST LET ME KNOW. WE'VE OBVIOUSLY HAD CONVERSATIONS LIKE THIS AND BUT I DO WANT TO SEE MORE CITIZEN PARTICIPATION AND INPUT, NOT RELY SO MUCH ON STAFF.
AND I CAN MAKE PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR SURE, BUT.
I THINK HAVING A GROUP OF CITIZENS IN A BODY LIKE THIS THAT HAS OVERSIGHT AND AND REALLY HEARS OTHER CITIZENS IN A WAY OF SYNTHESIZING SOME OF THE COMMENTS, BECAUSE I KNOW STAFF IS EXCELLENT AND PROBABLY IS THE BEST, BUT I ALSO KNOW STAFF IS DOING A LOT OF OTHER THINGS. SO I WOULD.
TO PUT FROM A PERSON THAT SAT UP THERE.
YOUR BEST APPROACH IS TO COMFORT COUNSEL.
IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT AN ORDINANCE, BECAUSE THEN COUNCIL COULD GIVE DIRECTION TO
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THE CITY MANAGER TO ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION AND TAKE IT FROM TAKE IT FROM THERE.BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, COUNCIL, IT'S LIKE YOU COULD SAY THE A, B, C, THEY MAKE THE LAWS, THEY DO THE BILLS, THEY MAKE THE LAWS, AND THEN THEY CAN ALWAYS, ALWAYS GO BACK AND REVIEW IT IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE NOT HAPPY WITH.
AND THEN THE PROCESS WILL GO THROUGH AS THE CITY MANAGER WOULD EXPLAIN IT TO YOU.
BUT THAT WOULD BE THE BEST APPROACH BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE 3 MINUTES LIKE YOU HAVE HERE, YOU HAVE 3 MINUTES TO GO UP THERE AND TELL COUNCIL IF YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC CONCERN ABOUT AN ORDINANCE AND HOW IT'S AFFECTING YOU OR OTHER PEOPLE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY THAT YOU LIVE IN AND THEN YOU TO BE ADDRESSED.
THANK YOU ALL. YOU'RE WELCOME.
THANK YOU, SUSAN. BILL, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING? NO. OKAY. THAT'S IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
OKAY. I NEED A MOTION TO ADOPT.
[ADOPTION OF MINUTES]
MINUTES 2022 2020 2-6 MARCH 29, 2022 SO MOVED SECOND SECOND BY JORDAN.MR. CHAIR, JUST BRIEFLY, AND THIS IS TO THE MADAM CLERK, AND FORGIVE ME FOR THIS, BUT I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT A SMALL TYPOGRAPHICAL ERROR.
MY FIRST NAME IS IS SPELLED WITH TWO L'S.
I DO APPRECIATE MY FAMILY NAME OF OLSZEWSKI BEING SPELLED CORRECTLY, THOUGH.
MOST OF THE TIME THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS.
THANK YOU. THE FOCUS GOES TO THE OLSZEWSKI AND THE RANDALL GETS LOST.
I'LL MAKE SURE. NO, THANK YOU.
YES, MA'AM. I DO APPRECIATE IT.
REPORTS. NEW BUSINESS NUMBER ONE TERESE.
[NEW BUSINESS]
I SENT AN EMAIL OUT EARLIER TODAY.MY DAYS ARE RUNNING TOGETHER ADVISING THAT DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON DID WITHDRAW THIS ITEM.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT NOW SO WE CAN MOVE RIGHT INTO ITEM NUMBER TWO, MR. CHAIR. OKAY.
THE DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER TWO IS DISCUSSION OF INCLUDING PROVISIONS IN THE CITY CHARTER TO FUND THE ROAD MAINTENANCE PROGRAM.
FROM MY CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY CLERK.
THE PERSON WHO PROPOSED THIS TO COME BEFORE US FOR DISCUSSION IS MR. JONES. AND HE'S NOT HERE.
SO. YOU WANT TO DISCUSS WHAT YOU WISH TO DO WITH THIS ONE? MS.. IS MR. WATANABE HERE TO PRESENT? ACCORDINGLY? YES.
I'D CERTAINLY BE IN FAVOR OF HERE.
NO, NO, WE'RE GOING TO LET HIM.
I'M JUST. MAYBE THAT IN THAT TIME PERIOD, HE'LL SHOW.
OKAY. IF I MAY, YOU'VE GOT 30 MINUTES.
WELL, WELL, BEFORE WE LET FRANK DO HIS FIVE MINUTE PRESENTATION, I JUST WANTED TO SORT OF TEE SOMETHING UP HERE.
JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS, MY RECOMMENDATION JUST FROM THE GET GO IS NOT GOING TO BE TO FURTHER. RESTRICT THE FLEXIBILITY OF THE CITIES.
USE OF FUNDS BY PUTTING A ANY KIND OF RESTRICTION IN THE CITY CHARTER THAT LOCKS US INTO WHETHER IT'S A SPECIFIC FUNDING AMOUNT, PERCENTAGE, MILLAGE, WHATEVER, HOWEVER YOU MIGHT WANT TO SLICE IT JUST FROM THE BEGINNING.
WE DO WE DO HAVE A A FINANCIAL CHALLENGE AHEAD OF US, BUT WE'RE COMMITTED TO SOLVING THAT. WHAT FRANK IS GOING TO GIVE YOU, FRANK WATANABE, OUR CITY ENGINEER, WHAT HE'S GOING TO GIVE YOU AS A PRESENTATION, IT'S ACTUALLY ALREADY COME BEFORE THE INFRASTRUCTURE ADVISORY BOARD, OVERSIGHT BOARD, AND THAT'S WHERE MR. JONES MEMBER JONES SAW THAT PRESENTATION.
IT'S ALSO COME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL AS WELL.
AND THE STORY THAT YOU'LL SEE HERE IS THAT THE $150 MILLION ROAD BOND CAN GET US ONLY SO FAR. AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.
BUT THE REAL DISCUSSION IS GOING TO BE HOW WE FUND PROPER ROAD MAINTENANCE GOING FORWARD.
RIGHT. AND SO JUST TO GIVE YOU THE VERY HIGH LEVEL WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY AND TODAY'S MOMENT IN TIME FOR MULTIPLE YEARS, HISTORICALLY, THE ONLY FUNDING THAT WAS GOING INTO ROAD MAINTENANCE FUND NOT NOT EXCLUSIVELY, BUT FOR THE MOST PART FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS HAS BEEN THE PROCEEDS FROM THE SALE OF CITY PROPERTIES.
THAT'S AN UNSUSTAINABLE NON REOCCURRING SOURCE.
IT'S USEFUL BUT NOT REALLY WHAT WE NEED.
SO FOR THE PAST TWO FISCAL YEARS WE HAVE PUT IN AROUND $750,000 AS A REOCCURRING LINE ITEM FUNDING. OUR GOAL IS TO GET THAT TO SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS IN FUNDING EACH YEAR.
THAT IS JUST A BUILT IN LINE ITEM PART OF THE BUDGET.
IT IS FOR THAT REASON THAT YOU'LL HEAR ME ADVOCATING FOR FREEING UP GENERAL FUND OUT OF LOWER TAX REVENUES TO FLOW DIFFERENTLY THAN THEY DO UNDER THE 3% CAP ENVIRONMENT, WHICH WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT BEFORE.
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BUT I WANT EVERYONE TO JUST BE AWARE THAT MY RECOMMENDATION IS GOING TO BE THAT WE KEEP FIGHTING AND WORKING TOWARD AN INCREASE IN THE REOCCURRING LINE ITEM REVENUE, BECAUSE THAT IS OUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY AFTER MAYBE POLICE AND FIRE, DEPENDING ON WHO YOU ASK.AND IT'S ULTIMATELY THE COUNCIL'S PRIORITY.
BUT WE HAVE TO FUND THAT AND WE HAVE TO FUND IT FULLY AND PROPERLY.
THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY IS THAT ONE OF MY RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL AND THIS WILL COME UP IN A COUPLE OF YEARS IS WHEN THE BAYFRONT CRA IT'S CURRENTLY SET TO SUNSET.
PARTICULAR ENTITY, ASSUMING IT DOES SUNSET, WHICH THERE'S NO INDICATION AT THIS MOMENT THAT ANYONE'S GOING TO TRY TO EXTEND IT.
WHEN THAT SUNSETS, THAT TAX INCREMENT, THAT REVENUE THAT HAS BEEN SET ASIDE, IT COMES BACK INTO GENERAL FUND.
MY TOP RECOMMENDATION FOR THAT ULTIMATELY COUNCIL'S DECISION.
BUT MY TOP RECOMMENDATION IS TO PUT THAT DIRECTLY INTO THE ROAD MAINTENANCE FUND.
DON'T TOUCH IT FOR ANYTHING ELSE, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE A SIGNIFICANT CHUNK TOWARD WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO.
BUT THAT'S IN ADDITION TO OBVIOUSLY ADDITIONAL REOCCURRING FUNDING WE HAVE TO BUDGET EVERY YEAR GOING FORWARD TO KEEP BUILDING TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE.
SO THAT'S JUST MY LITTLE TEE UP MOMENT.
SORRY, I'LL GIVE YOU A REFRESH.
JUST KIDDING. GO AHEAD, FRANK. YOU CAN SAY GOOD EVENING.
FRANK WATANABE, THE CITY ENGINEER.
I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT A FEW SLIDES.
THE FIRST ONE I HEAR IS JUST TO HIGHLIGHT AGAIN, THIS IS ROAD MAINTENANCE AND NOT ROAD REPAIR. A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO.
ROAD MAINTENANCE IS PRESERVATION AND TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF ROAD PAVING THAT HAS ALREADY OCCURRED SHOWN ON THE SLIDE.
HERE IS A GOOD EXAMPLE. THERE ARE TWO TYPES OF SOLUTIONS THAT WE'RE USING RIGHT NOW.
CURRENTLY, WE'VE BEEN USING THE ONE ON THE LEFT WHICH HAS THE PINK EMULSION YOU'LL SEE ON THE BACK OF THE TANKER.
THAT'S A PETROLEUM BASED REJUVENATION MATERIAL.
SO IT HAS A OIL COMPONENT, A MULTI IN THE ONE ON THE RIGHT, AS YOU CAN SEE, IS WHITE AND CLEAR. THAT'S A PLANT BASED MATERIAL.
WE'RE HOPING IN THE FUTURE TO APPLY THAT APPLICATION.
THAT PICTURE WAS TAKEN ON CULVER DRIVE.
THE COMPANY CAME UP AND DID A DEMO FOR US AND STRIPE, THE ENTIRE ONE LANE OF CULVER DRIVE WITH THE EMULSIONS. SO WE WERE GIVEN A FREEBIE AND SO FAR IT'S BEEN DOING VERY WELL.
SO THOSE ARE THE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF REJUVENATION THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT'S BEING USED FOR MANY CITIES.
SO I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT AGAIN THE ROAD MAINTENANCE OVERVIEW WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT. JUST GO OVER THE ROAD BOND PAVEMENT PROGRAM, TALK ABOUT ROAD PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT, TALK ABOUT REJUVENATION, GO WITH THE TOOLBOXES, WHAT WE HAVE TO USE AND THEN HIGHLIGHT THE OVERALL REPAIR PRESERVATION MATRIX.
JUST HIGHLIGHT AGAIN ON THE FIVE YEAR ROAD BOND PROGRAM SHOWN HERE IN THE COLOR MAP WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL AS FIVE YEARS OF FIVE PHASES.
NOW BECAUSE IT'S ACTUALLY IS FIVE PHASES, ABOUT EIGHT YEARS TO CONSTRUCT.
SO I JUST WANT TO BE SURE IT'S EIGHT YEARS TO CONSTRUCT AND THE FIRST YEAR HAS ALL BEEN COMPLETED. 143 MILES HAVE BEEN DONE.
BUT PLEASE NOTE THAT 791 MILES DOES NOT INCLUDE THE COMPOUND AND THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF ROADS THE CITY HAS THE EFFORT, MILEAGE.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE ARE THE ROADS THAT WERE APPROVED WITH THE BOND.
SO 781 MILES EXCLUDING THE COMPOUND ROADS.
I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT AGAIN ON THE PAYMENT MANAGEMENT.
IT'S BASICALLY AN S-CURVE WHERE IT STARTS OFF AT VERY GOOD AND IT CURVES ITS WAY DOWN TO NOT SO GOOD.
WHAT YOU WANT TO DO AND THE VERY UPPER PART OF THE CURVE.
AND LIKE IN ANY MAINTENANCE PROGRAM, YOU TRY TO IMPROVE THAT MAINTENANCE PROGRAM BY ADDING ADDITIVES TO IT AND PUSHING OUT THAT LIFE.
IS THERE A QUESTION? LET THEM.
LET THEM. IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS.
THE THE MAINTENANCE CURVE IS TYPICAL OF ALL ROAD MAINTENANCE.
AND SO THIS CURVATURE IS BASICALLY A 20 YEAR MAINTENANCE.
SO WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IS PUSH THAT FIRST COUPLE OF YEARS OUT.
SO INSTEAD OF HAVING A 20 YEAR PAVEMENT MAINTENANCE, WHICH IS WHAT A PAVEMENT LASTS, YOU MAYBE GET 30 YEARS OR 40 YEARS.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT THE NEXT CHART KIND OF SHOWS, KIND OF SHOWS IT'S ON ON AN OVERALL CURVE FROM A 20 YEAR ON THE BOTTOM SCALE TO FROM THE TYPES OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF IMPROVEMENTS. WHAT YOU COULD USE SO VERY TOP IS REJUVENATION, WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING BELOW. THAT BECOMES A SECOND LAYER, MAYBE LIKE MICRO SURFACING, SOME SORT OF CAPSULE. YOU CONTINUE DOWN, CONTINUE DOWN INTO THE RED, WHICH IS BASICALLY RECONSTRUCTION OF A ROADWAY. SO TYPICALLY IN THE 20 YEAR LIFESPAN, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS FROM FROM THE BEGINNING TO THE 20TH YEAR, YOU END UP DOING A ROAD CONSTRUCTION.
WHAT WE WANT TO TRY TO DO IS HIT THAT BLUE AREA FIRST AND DO SOME SORT OF MAINTENANCE IN ADVANCE TO PUSH THAT LIFE OF THE ROADWAY.
SO INSTEAD OF HITTING IN 20 YEARS, YOU GET 40 YEARS.
OVERALL, WHAT WE'VE BEEN USING IS WHAT WE CALL REJUVENATION.
AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THE ONE WE'VE BEEN USING AS A MULTI PETROLEUM BASE.
WHAT IT DOES IS HELPS TO REPLACE THE OIL AND THE MATERIAL AND THE POLYMERS HELP TO REDUCE THE OXIDATION ON THE ROADWAY.
WHAT HAPPENS IS THE SUN BREAKS DOWN THE ASPHALT MATERIAL CAUSING THE OXIDATION.
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SO WHAT WE DO IS WE REVITALIZE THE MATERIAL BY USING A NEW BINDER.IT ADDS KIND OF A SHIELD TO IT.
TYPICAL LIFE OF A REJUVENATION IS ABOUT THREE YEARS.
AND TYPICALLY WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IS AFTER YOU DO A NEW ROAD LIKE YOU PAVE THE NEW ROAD, 1 TO 3 YEARS IS THE TIME YOU HAVE TO REJUVENATE IT.
PAST THAT TIME, THE ASPHALT HAS BROKEN DOWN TO THE POINT WHERE YOU CAN'T ADD REJUVENATION, SO YOU MISS THAT OPPORTUNITY.
SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THIS ROBOT PROGRAM THAT WE GET OUT THERE AFTER THE SECOND, THIRD YEAR AND SPRAY THE REJUVENATION AND EXTEND IT FOR THREE YEARS.
AND YOU CAN THEN EXTEND IT AGAIN ANOTHER THREE YEARS.
SO YOU GET SIX MORE YEARS OUT OF THE REJUVENATION PROGRAM, AND I'LL SHOW YOU THE COST DIFFERENCE AS YOU GO DOWN.
HERE'S EXAMPLES OF WHAT WE JUST DID IN YEAR ONE.
THESE SHOTS WERE TAKEN IN UNITS 31 AND 32.
AND SO WE'VE COMPLETED ALL OF YEAR ONE EXCEPT FOR THE UNITS 11, 15, 18, 23 AND 56.
WHY? BECAUSE THOSE YEARS, THOSE UNITS WERE NOT READY YET.
THEY'RE JUST COMPLETED AT THE END OF THAT FIRST YEAR.
SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO REJUVENATE IT.
SO WE GAVE IT UNTIL THIS YEAR.
BUT ALL UNIT YEAR ONE HAS BEEN COMPLETED.
AND THESE ARE THE PHOTOGRAPHS.
THIS REJUVENATION HAS BEEN COMPLETED.
A LITTLE BREAKDOWN. I USE THIS TABLE ALL THE TIME BECAUSE IT WAS A GOOD ONE.
MR. BAILEY USED TO LOVE SHOWING THIS ONE.
THIS WAS DONE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN COST IN TERMS OF THE DOLLARS PER SQUARE YARD FROM A CONSTRUCTION RECONSTRUCTION COSTS AT $55 ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE VERY BOTTOM, WHICH IS REJUVENATION, WHICH IS A BUCK.
SO THE MORE WE CAN USE THE TOOLS DOWN THE BOTTOM, REJUVENATION THEN LIFTS AT A LOWER COST PER SQUARE YARD. SAVES US FROM SPENDING A LOT MORE MONEY AT THE UPPER END.
AND TYPICALLY, IF YOU DO IT RIGHT, YOU SHOULDN'T BE RECONSTRUCTING YOUR ROADWAYS.
YOU BASICALLY SHOULD BE MILLING AND PAVING YOUR ROADWAYS.
IN A NUTSHELL, THIS IS THE YEAR ONE THAT WE COMPLETED UNITS 31, 32, 41, 42.
RON THEY WERE JUST COMPLETED ABOUT A MONTH AGO, SO WE SPENT ABOUT $1,000,000 THIS FIRST YEAR ON THE PROGRAM.
SO AGAIN, WE HAVE THE PAVING PROGRAM AND THIS IS THE ROAD MAINTENANCE PROGRAM.
SO THE ROAD MAINTENANCE PROGRAM SPENT ABOUT A YEAR, BUT ABOUT $1,000,000.
THIS IS THIS COMING YEAR IS FISCAL YEAR.
SO WE HAVE THE REMAINING UNITS, YEAR ONE.
I TALKED ABOUT 1115 TO 1823 AND 56, ABOUT 800,000 NOW COMES YEAR TO ROADS THAT WE'VE BEEN PAVING. SO ALL OF THOSE HAVE BEEN COMPLETED READY TO GO.
SO A TOTAL $2.1 MILLION IN NEED THIS COMING YEAR FOR ROAD MAINTENANCE.
FINISH AGAIN. THAT'S JUST A HIGHLIGHT.
WHAT WE NEED FOR THIS COMING YEAR.
AND THIS IS THE ACTUAL MATRIX MATRIX THAT THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED.
IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT IT, THIS IS A MIXTURE OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF TOOLS WE COULD USE.
WE START OFF WITH REJUVENATION.
WE TRY TO GO THE ENTIRE FIVE PHASES AND THEN WE HIT IT AGAIN AFTER THREE YEARS.
SO TRY TO HIT IT TWICE, TRY TO GET THAT SIX YEAR LIFE.
AND THEN AFTER THAT WE WILL LOOK AT MAYBE OTHER TYPES OF MAYBE MICRO SURFACING, MAYBE CAPE SEAL, MAYBE A THIN LIFT.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE VERY BOTTOM FOR THE FIRST TEN YEAR, THE AVERAGE WE NEED TO HAVE FOR THE FIRST TEN YEARS IS 3.4 MILLION.
AND A LOT OF COUNTIES AND A LOT OF LARGE CITIES USE THIS TYPE OF MATRIX BECAUSE THIS SAVES THEM OVERALL THE LONG TERM IN TERMS OF ROAD CONSTRUCTION FOR RECLAMATION.
IF YOU DO IT EARLY ENOUGH, LIKE CHANGING YOUR OIL, THE MAINTENANCE PROGRAM WORKS AND A LOT OF COUNTIES AND CITIES USE THIS TYPE OF PROGRAM.
THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THIS PROGRAM, I THINK TWO YEARS AGO.
SO WITH THAT SHOULD END MY FIVE MINUTE PRESENTATION.
AND THAT'S A PHOTOGRAPH OF MR. BATTEN AND HIS DOG.
THANK YOU. I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTION.
COUPLE TO. DID I HEAR CORRECTLY THAT WE'VE ONLY GONE ONE YEAR INTO THE BOMB PROGRAM AS FAR AS NEW ROADS? DID I HEAR CORRECTLY? WE'RE ACTUALLY IN THE FOURTH YEAR, FOURTH YEAR, BECAUSE THEN IT WAS ROAD MAINTENANCE.
IT'S JUST THE FIRST YEAR, WHICH IS CORRECT.
THE SECOND THING IS, IS JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY ON THE PICTURES, I NOTICED THAT A LOT OF THE NEW ROADS ARE BASICALLY ONES THAT HAVE NO HOMES ON IT.
IS THERE A REASON WHY IT APPEARS IT WAS COUNCIL'S THE DIRECTION WE HIT.
IT WAS EQUITABLE. BUT THE FIRST YEAR COVERED LIKE UNITS 33, 31 AND 32.
AND A LOT OF THOSE DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF HOMES.
BUT THERE WERE THOSE ARE THE STREETS THAT ROADS WERE IN POOR CONDITIONS.
AND MAYBE THAT'S THE REASON WHY THERE ARE NO HOMES OUT THERE.
BUT IF YOU GO OUT THERE TODAY, 31 AND 32, YOU CANNOT FIND A STREET THAT DOESN'T HAVE FIVE OR SIX OR A DOZEN HOUSES BUILT ON IT.
IT WAS JUST OVERNIGHT WHEN THE ROADS GOT PAVED.
THERE ARE HOUSES DOWN THERE POPPING UP RIGHT AND LEFT.
THANK YOU. GAVE A GREAT PRESENTATION.
FIRST AND FOREMOST, I APOLOGIZE FOR MY TARDINESS.
UM, COULD YOU SHOW THE MATRIX? SO THAT'S. SO WHAT I GUESS CAUGHT OUR ATTENTION IS SOMETHING YOU JUST STATED THAT COUNCIL
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APPROVED THIS MATRIX TO MOVE FORWARD.BUT THEN THE SECOND QUESTION CAME UP AND THAT WAS, UH, HOW DO WE PAY FOR IT? AND TO THE ANSWER, THERE WAS NO.
IS THAT CORRECT? THE COUNCIL APPROVED THE PROGRAM, DIDN'T APPROVE THE FUNDING.
YEAH. SO. SO THAT'S THE FUNDING ACCORDING TO THE SIZE THAT IS NEEDED.
BUT FUNDING HAS BEEN ALLOCATED.
I COULD SPEAK. FUNDING HAS BEEN ALLOCATED BECAUSE OF THE 3% CAP.
IT MAKES A RESTRAIN ON HOW WELL THE MAINTENANCE PROGRAM CAN BE FUNDED.
NOW, MY QUESTION I WAS GOING TO ASK HIM IS HOW MUCH MONEY IS IN THE MAINTENANCE PROGRAM RIGHT NOW? I BELIEVE, JUST BARELY TO COVER THE 2.1 MILLION.
OKAY. I APOLOGIZE, TOO, FOR BEING LATE.
HE CUT ME OFF. HE CUT ME OFF WHILE I WAS.
OKAY. I'LL BE. I'LL BE COLLECTING THE FINES.
EVERYBODY IS LATE. HE GOT IT OVER HERE.
YOU GOT TO PAY. WELL, I JUST WANTED TO.
CURRENTLY, WHERE DOES THE FUNDING COME FROM FOR THE MAINTENANCE PROGRAM? IT COMES DIRECT FROM GENERAL FUND.
SO ESSENTIALLY TAXPAYER DOLLARS OR THE PRIMARY FUNDING SOURCE.
JUST ONE MORE. SO WE KNOW THAT WE NEED 3.1 MILLION.
IS THE INTENTION RIGHT NOW TO HAVE IT COME FROM THE ENTIRE 3 MILLION COME FROM GENERAL FUND? YES.
THERE'S NOT REALLY ANY OTHER FUNDING MECHANISM FOR IT.
SO THAT WOULD BE WHERE WE'D HAVE TO SOURCE IT.
OKAY. IS THAT AN ISSUE? IS THAT AN ISSUE AS THE WAY YOU SEE IT RIGHT NOW, OR ARE WE ABLE TO DO THAT? IT'S CHALLENGING IN THE CURRENT FISCAL ENVIRONMENT.
ESSENTIALLY THAT'S PART OF WHY WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THE 3% CAP, BECAUSE WITHOUT THAT, YOU HAVE A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY TO PROPERLY FUND SOME OF THE CRITICAL ITEMS FOR THE CITY. BUT ONE OF THE F, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, ONLY NOW, COUNCIL HAS FORMALLY VOTED ON WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO FOR NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET.
FOR EXAMPLE, SO FAR WE'VE JUST FUNDED ABOUT 750,000 REOCCURRING FUNDS FOR TWO FISCAL YEARS SO FAR. MY RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL IS GOING TO BE THAT WE ADD TO THAT 750,000 THIS COMING FISCAL YEAR.
SO WE MAKE ANOTHER STEP TOWARD REOCCURRING LINE ITEM FUNDING, TAKING THAT OUT OF GENERAL FUND REVENUES.
I ALSO MENTIONED JUST TO REPEAT FOR THOSE WHO JUST CAME IN, THAT IN A COUPLE OF YEARS WE'RE GOING TO SUNSET THE BAYFRONT CRA DISTRICT.
SO THAT TAX INCREMENT, THAT ROOM TAX TAXES THAT ARE CURRENTLY SET ASIDE OVER THERE, WHEN THOSE COME BACK INTO GENERAL FUND, I'M GOING TO REQUEST COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION TO MOVE THAT DIRECTLY INTO ROAD MAINTENANCE FUND BASED ON VALUES GOING UP.
IT SHOULD BE A COUPLE OF MILLION DOLLARS, WHICH SHOULD BE HELPFUL.
I MEAN, WE'RE A FEW YEARS OUT FROM THAT, SO I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT, UM, SO ALL THAT BEING SAID, WE CAN'T, IT'S HARD TO FUND IT WITHOUT CUTTING OTHER THINGS.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF PRIORITIES FOR OUR GROWING CITY, WHICH IS REALLY WHAT WE STRUGGLE WITH EVERY YEAR AT THIS POINT.
SO. I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THE KEY TO THAT.
A PORTION OF THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE IN THE ROAD MAINTENANCE FUND RIGHT NOW HAS COME FROM THE SALE OF SOME CITY PROPERTIES.
AND THAT'S, OF COURSE, A DISAPPEARING ASSET.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. SO, FIRST OF ALL, MR. WATANABE, I JUST WANT TO SHARE MY GRATITUDE TO YOU.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR, FOR THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT.
BUT MOREOVER, THANK YOU, SIR, FOR TAKING THIS PROJECT ON.
AND FOLKS, I JUST KIND OF WANT TO FRAME THIS A LITTLE BIT.
I MEAN, MR. WATANABE IS A VERY WELL EDUCATED MAN.
HE'S BEEN DOING THIS THING FOR DECADES, AND HE'S APPLYING WHAT I WOULD CALL HIS CAREER SWANSONG TO OUR CITY AND TALKING ABOUT DECADES IN THE FUTURE.
SO ESSENTIALLY, HE CAME IN TO SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED LONG BEFORE HE WAS HERE, AND HE INTENDS TO LEAVE IT WITH A LONG LASTING LEGACY AFTERWARDS.
AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT OUT OF YOU, SIR.
THAT BEING SAID, I JUST HAVE A COUPLE CLARIFYING QUESTIONS.
YOU MENTIONED WE'RE PAVING 791 MILES OF OUR WHAT'S OUR TOTAL, INCLUDING THE COMPOUND? JUST A TRIVIAL FACT. I JUST WANT TO HAVE THE 860 MILES, 860 SO 791 OUT OF 860.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO ASK YOU ABOUT, SIR, IS, AS MOST FOLKS KNOW, NATIVE PALM BAY BOY, BUT I DID SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF TIME IN IN WESTERN PENNSYLVANIA, PITTSBURGH AREA. AND EVERY SPRING YOU'D SEE THE SIGNS COME UP ON YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD ROADS AND IT WOULD SAY FRESH CHIPS. AND YOU'RE LIKE, WHAT'S FRESH CHIPS? AND THEN THE NEXT DAY YOU FOUND OUT WHAT FRESH CHIPS WAS.
SO IS THIS OILY SUBSTANCE AND A BUNCH OF ROCKS AND GRAVEL AND NONSENSE.
AND THEN A WEEK OR SO LATER, AFTER YOUR CAR WAS GOOD AND SCRATCHED UP, IT WAS ALL GONE AND THE ROADS LOOK BETTER. SO NOW THAT I'M LEARNING ABOUT REJUVENATION, I WOULD SAY
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THAT'S HOW THEY'RE REJUVENATING UP THERE.WHY DO THEY DO IT THAT WAY? WHY DON'T WE DO IT THAT WAY? IS IT MORE COST EFFECTIVE? IS IT NOT APPLICABLE TO OUR ATMOSPHERE? JUST CURIOUS ABOUT CHIP'S.
THE METHOD HE'S TALKING ABOUT IS CONSIDERED WHAT THEY CALL CHIP SEALING.
CHIP SEALING HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME.
REJUVENATION. IT IS A REPAIR METHOD.
IT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY CALL AN OVERLAY.
INSTEAD, WHAT THEY USE IS AN EMULSION THAT HAS A LITTLE BIT OF ASPHALT, LITTLE FINES, AND THEN THEY USE WHAT THEY CALL CHIPS, VERY SMALL ROCKS THAT'S BEEN SIEVED OUT.
AND THEY PUT THE MOTION DOWN AND THEY SPREAD THE ROCK ON TOP OF IT.
THE PROBLEM IS THEN AFTER THEY SPRAY THE ROCK ON TOP OF IT, THE BROOM IT.
BUT THE WAY IT WORKS ITS WAY IN IS WITH THE TRAFFIC LOAD.
AND SO A LOT OF COUNTIES LOVE IT.
YOU COULD DO MILES OF CHIPS IN A COUNTY ROADWAYS BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING YOU KNOW, THE CHIPS FALL TO THE SIDE WHERE IF YOU HAVE AN URBANIZED CITY, YOU HAVE CURB AND GUTTER.
WELL, THE CHIPS DON'T DO SO WELL THERE.
AND SO IT BECOMES MORE OF A HEADACHE AND A PROBLEM IN URBAN CITIES AND URBAN ENVIRONMENTS. I CONSIDER A LOT OF OUR STREETS TO BE MORE URBAN.
I THINK THE PEOPLE WOULD NOT APPRECIATE HAVING THE LITTLE CHIPS CHIP AWAY AT THEIR CAR.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE ARE NEWER TYPES OF CHIP SEALS AND THIS IS A SHOCKER.
THEY HAVE A CHIP SEAL. YOU CAN MICRO SURFACE TO NOW.
I WOULDN'T DO THAT EITHER HERE.
IT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF APPLICATION I THINK IS MORE RULE BASED, BUT IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME. THEY'VE USED DIFFERENT TYPES OF CHIP SEALING WITH RECYCLED RUBBER.
BUT IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME, SIR.
WE DID HAVE A TEST PROJECT WHERE WE DID USE CHIPS ON SOME ROADS HERE IN PALM BAY.
AND AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THE RESIDENTS OF THAT AREA WERE NOT FOND OF IT.
YEAH. YEAH. AND FOR ALL CLARITY SAKE, UNDERSTAND CHIP ADVOCATE.
IT WAS HORRIBLE AND I HATED IT.
BUT I WAS JUST CURIOUS AS FAR AS WHAT LIMITS US.
IS IT ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS? AND YOU ANSWERED THE QUESTION QUITE ROBUSTLY.
SO I THINK WE'RE WE'RE MOVING IN A GOOD DIRECTION WITH WHAT WE'RE CHOOSING.
I HAVE SEEN SOME REJUVENATED ROADS.
I HAVE NOTICED THE ROAD ON CULVER.
EVER SINCE YOU SHOWED IT TO COUNCIL WITH CRISCO ON IT.
SO IT'S REALLY INTRIGUING AND IT'S REALLY INTERESTING.
SO MY ONLY OTHER QUESTION FOR YOU, SIR, IS AT CURRENT TIME, IN ORDER TO FACILITATE THE FIRST YEAR AND THE SECOND YEAR OF REJUVENATION, HAVE YOU SIMPLY BEEN USING FUN? I SAY SIMPLY, HAVE YOU BEEN USING FUNDS FROM THE ROAD BOND MONEY TO DO THIS FIRST YEAR AND THE SECOND YEAR? AND IS THAT ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO, OR HAVE WE BEEN ABLE TO PAY THAT CALL IT CASH AS WE'VE GONE? JUST MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR THE ROAD BOND IS USED FOR THE ROAD REPAIR.
THE ROAD MAINTENANCE IS BEING SPENT THROUGH THE GENERAL FUND.
GOTCHA. SO WE'VE WE'VE MANAGED TO KEEP UP, BUT REALLY THE CORE OF OUR CONVERSATION IS THAT AS YOUR MATRIX DISPLAYS, THE THE EXPENSES ARE GOING TO INCREASE SOONER THAN OUR CURVE IS PROJECTED TO INCREASE WHEN IT COMES TO REVENUE TO COVER THAT EXPENSES.
YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE CASH ANYMORE? THAT'S CORRECT. I GOT YOU. THANK YOU, SIR.
I APPRECIATE THAT CLARIFICATION.
THAT'S ALL, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU.
AND ONE ELSE QUESTIONS FOR FRANK.
OKAY. IN GENERAL. GENERAL QUESTION.
I'M JUST TRYING TO LOOK AHEAD A LITTLE BIT IN TODAY'S CLIMATE.
ASSUMING FOR A MINUTE IT DOESN'T PASS.
WHAT CAN WE DO OR WHAT? I MEAN, YOU LOOK FOR THE WORST CASE SCENARIO.
BEST CASE SCENARIO IF THE WORST CASE SCENARIO HAPPENS.
IS THERE IS THERE ANOTHER I KNOW WE HAVE THE YOU MENTIONED THE SUNSHINE LAW GETTING ELIMINATED AND APPLYING THAT TOWARDS IT.
CERTAINLY, THAT WOULD BE A GREAT INCOME IN A COUPLE OF YEARS.
DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THAT'S GOING TO BE.
IS THERE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS THAT HAS BEEN OR THAT WE COULD EVEN CONSIDER HERE AT THE AT THIS LEVEL TO IS THERE ANY OTHER WAY THAT WE CAN MAKE SOMETHING LIKE THIS? ACHIEVABLE. QUESTION.
I APPRECIATE IT. PROBABLY THE ANSWER SHORT IS PROBABLY NOTHING ELSE THAT WE COULD DO FROM A CHARTER COMMISSION STANDPOINT THAT I CAN THINK OF OFFHAND.
IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE A FUNCTION AND MECHANISM OF OUR BUDGETING PROCESS.
AND SO EVERY YEAR WE'RE CHALLENGED.
WE'RE WE'RE IN A GOOD ECONOMIC TIME RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS GREAT.
SO NEW REVENUE COMES IN, TRYING TO SET ASIDE AS MUCH OF THAT AS POSSIBLE, KNOWING THAT THERE ARE OTHER EXPENSES AND NEEDS IN THE CITY, ONE OF WHICH IS A MAJOR SALARY SURVEY THAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW, AND TWO UNION CONTRACTS THAT ARE BEING NEGOTIATED.
SO KNOWING THAT THERE ARE SOME COMPETING INTERESTS FOR NEW REVENUES, WE STILL HAVE TO MAKE, IN MY OPINION, ONE OF OUR HIGHEST PRIORITIES BE ROAD MAINTENANCE FUNDING.
RIGHT. AND THAT HAS TO BE A NUMBER THAT WE WORK ON EVERY YEAR, EVERY FISCAL YEAR TO
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INCREASE. IF I'M I'M FULLY PREPARED BECAUSE I'M LIVING IN A WORLD OF ASSUMING, YOU KNOW, TODAY'S WHERE WE LIVE TODAY IS WHERE WE LIVE TOMORROW BECAUSE I CAN'T BANK ON ANYTHING ELSE AT THIS POINT. SO THAT'S WHY I MENTIONED THE BAYFRONT CRA GOING AWAY.THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT AS WE GET NEW REVENUE IN AND TRYING TO FUNNEL MORE OF THAT THERE.
BUT ULTIMATELY, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF WE GET TO A PLACE WHERE THERE JUST AREN'T ENOUGH DOLLARS TO PUT TOGETHER TO PROPERLY FUND ROAD MAINTENANCE, THEN WE GET INTO A SERIOUS DISCUSSION WITH COUNCIL ABOUT WHAT THE PRIORITIES ARE AND IF THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT THE CITY CURRENTLY FUNDS.
AND DOES THAT HAVE TO BE ELIMINATED OR REDUCED IN TERMS OF SCOPE IN FAVOR OF FUNDING ROAD MAINTENANCE? ROAD MAINTENANCE IS A HUGE PRIORITY, YOU KNOW, AND FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, LIVING HERE FOR OVER 20 YEARS.
YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO EVER BE KNOWN AS THE PLACE OF POTHOLES ANYMORE.
I DON'T WANT PALM BAY AND POTHOLES TO BE SYNONYMOUS.
THAT'S JUST MY HUMBLE OPINION.
SO WE'RE GOING TO DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO FUND IT PROPERLY.
SO THAT IS, I GUESS, WHERE THE INFRASTRUCTURE ADVISORY AND OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE CAME INTO SHOCK A LITTLE BIT.
THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A PLAN FOR TEN YEARS THAT WAS APPROVED, BUT AGAIN, NOT TO PAY.
AND WE'VE HAD, I THINK THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL IN THIS CURRENT COUNCIL THAT IT REALLY DOES FEEL LIKE ROAD MAINTENANCE IS ROAD REPAIR.
ROAD MAINTENANCE HAS BEEN OF IMPORTANCE.
I LIVED IN PALM BAY, I GREW UP IN PALM BAY, LEFT AND CAME BACK.
AND IT HAS NOT ALWAYS FELT LIKE THAT'S THE CASE.
SO WE DO KNOW THAT THAT MEANS THAT THERE IS THE POTENTIAL THAT THERE COULD BE A NEW COUNCIL THAT DOES NOT SEE IT AS OF IMPORTANCE.
AND AS THE MAYOR TERRIFIED ME AND SAID, YOU KNOW, THIS JOB IS NOT A JOB THAT'S LONG TERM.
AND I'M LIKE, OH, SHIT, THAT'S SORRY.
SHOOT, THAT'S SCARY. SO I GOT OFF THE RECORDING MY BACK TO SEE THE JOB I WAS TALKING ABOUT. AND SO IT JUST BROUGHT UP THE IS THERE A WAY OR SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ADD SO THAT THE CITIZENS ARE PROTECTED TO WHERE WE'RE NOT BEHOLDEN TO A COUNCIL THAT COMES IN TO MAKE A DECISION THAT ALL THE GOOD WORK THAT HAS HAPPENED CAN CONTINUE TO BE MAINTAINED.
BECAUSE AS YOU SAW ON THERE, IF IT GOES BAD, IT'S IT'S NOT ONLY JUST BAD FOR US FROM THE DRIVING PERSPECTIVE, AND WE DON'T WANT TO BE THE TOWN OF POTHOLES, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE EXTRAORDINARILY COSTLY TO REDO ALL THE WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE TO GET THE ROADS TO WHERE THEY ARE TODAY. SO THAT WAS WHY WE SUGGESTED TO HAVE THEM COME IN AND HIGHLIGHT WHERE WE ARE, BECAUSE THE WORK IS GOING VERY WELL, I BELIEVE.
BUT THERE'S A A FEAR OF OF THIS POTENTIALLY GOING BY THE WAYSIDE OR IT BEING LEFT UP TO CHANCE OF IS IT IMPORTANT TO WHOEVER THAT NEXT COUNCIL IS? AND SHE'S NOT ALLOWED TO LEAVE.
THE TO PUT PUT IT FROM THIS PERSPECTIVE.
ALL THE WAY I COULD TELL I SPENT 12 YEARS UP THERE SO I COULD TAKE IT ALL THE WAY FROM.
WHEN? MAYOR MASAYOSHI WAS THE MAYOR MYSELF.
MICHELLE PASCHEN YOU HAD CHRISTINA ZANARDI AND MILO CSONKA BECAUSE I ALWAYS GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE AND MY MILO ZANKA.
BACK THEN, WE'RE TALKING GOING BACK TO 2008, 2009 WAS THE PERSON WHO CAME TO US AND TOLD US DURING A BUDGET HEARING THAT WE NEEDED TO COMMIT $2 MILLION.
THIS WAS BACK THEN, BEFORE EVEN ROAD BONDS WAS IN PLAY.
SO AND $2 MILLION TOWARDS MAINTENANCE BECAUSE WE NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO MAINTENANCE AND MAINTENANCE AND MAINTENANCE. AND WE WERE LIKE ON BOARD, WE'RE THERE WITH YOU.
WE'RE GOING TO COMMIT $2 MILLION.
AND IN 2009 BUDGET CYCLE, WE COMMITTED $2 MILLION.
THEN WHAT HAPPENED? WHAT HAPPENED IN 2009.
THE HOUSING MARKET BLEW IT UP, BLEW UP EVERY COMMITMENT THAT WE WERE GOING TO MAKE $2 MILLION COMMITMENT FOR EACH YEAR.
SO JUST LIKE THE CITY MANAGER EXPLAINING THAT.
WHAT'S A PRIORITY? MAINTENANCE PROGRAM OF FIRING PEOPLE? THAT'S WHAT WE WERE.
WE WERE CUTTING BACK, NOT HIRING ANYBODY.
THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT BASICALLY BECAME A GHOST TOWN.
WE HAVE TO LET GO. A LOT OF REALLY GOOD EMPLOYEES THAT WE NEVER GOT BACK.
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SO THERE'S THAT ASPECT OF IT.THEN COMING TOWARDS 2012, WE STARTED HAVING A BETTER SITUATION.
BUT THEN LIKE YOU EXPLAIN AS YOU GOT COUNCIL PEOPLE, CERTAIN COUNCIL PEOPLE HAVE CERTAIN PRIORITIES. THEY WANT TO KEEP THE MILITIA DOWN.
THEY MAKE THE PROMISE OF LOW TAXES TO TO THEIR CONSTITUENTS AND LOW TAXES AND LOW TAXES.
BUT YOU GO TO LOW TAXES, LOW TAXES AS THE THINGS WILL GETTING BETTER.
WE NEED IT TO FUND THE THE MAINTENANCE PROGRAM IN REGARDS TO FIRE DEPARTMENT POLICE DEPARTMENT CARS.
YOU HAD FIRED FIRE TRUCKS BREAKING DOWN.
WE WERE TAKING MONEY FROM THE EMERGENCY FUND IN ORDER TO FUND THIS.
SO IT WAS LIKE A LIKE A BATTLE UP THERE IN REGARDS TO PHILOSOPHY.
BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHAT'S GOING TO COME DOWN TO PHILOSOPHY.
I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE.
TO ME SOMETIMES BECOMES LIKE AN OXYMORON.
EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE PHYSICALLY RESPONSIBLE, BUT THERE'S A MOMENT IN TIME THAT YOU HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT'S GOING ON IN YOUR CITY.
IT'S NOT SO MUCH ABOUT YOUR CONSTITUENTS.
IT'S MORE ABOUT WHAT YOUR CITY, YOU'RE THE ONE LOOKING AT THE BIGGER PICTURE.
YOU'RE THE ONE THE NUMBERS ARE IN FRONT OF YOU.
THE NUMBERS ARE TALKING TO YOU.
THEN SOMEBODY CAME UP WITH A GREAT IDEA THAT THEY WANTED TO PUT THE 3% CAP IN PLAY.
AND THEN THE 3% CUP WAS LIKE, HOLY SHOOT.
SO NOW THE 3% CAP COMES IN PLAY.
NOBODY THOUGHT THIS WOULD PASS.
I MEAN, IT WAS PUT OUT THERE TO SEE IF THE RESIDENTS OF RESIDENCE DIDN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY WERE SIGNING ON TO, AND THEN THEY SIGNED ON TO IT.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, NOW THE CITY HAS TO DEAL WITH THE FACT THAT THEY CAN'T SPEND BUT SO MUCH. AND IT WASN'T LIKE THE CITY'S BEING WAS BEING IRRESPONSIBLE BECAUSE ONCE I MEAN, I'VE HAD SO MANY PEOPLE COME UP THERE AND TALK IN REGARDS TO THE CITY.
YOU NEED TO TAKE A PAPER CLIP FROM HERE.
YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND, I'VE SEEN ALL THE CITY MANAGERS AND I'VE SEEN THE THINGS THEY DO IN ORDER TO MAKE THE CITY RUN AND CERTAIN DEPARTMENTS WE DIDN'T HAVE.
WE WENT THERE IN THE TIME THAT.
THE CITY MANAGER, SUZANNE WAS HERE.
WE WERE BARE, BARE EVERYTHING.
WE TOOK STUFF FROM THEIR CONTRACTS THAT RELATIVELY THEY'RE JUST GETTING BACK NOW BECAUSE TIMES ARE GOOD. BUT BACK THEN IT WAS EITHER I REMEMBER MYSELF, MYSELF, I WAS A DEPUTY MAYOR MYSELF AND SO ON.
WE WENT TO TALK WITH WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND TELL THEM, HEY, FIRE UNDERSTANDS WHAT'S GOING ON. YOU GUYS NEED TO BE ON BOARD.
OH, WE DO THE RACES, WE NEED TO FREEZE.
WE SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT? THE NEXT UNIT GETS HIT IS GOING TO BE YOURS.
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE WE GOT TO GET THE MONEY.
EVERYBODY ELSE IS PUTTING STUFF ON THE TABLE.
BUT YOU ALL ARE NOT PUTTING STUFF ON THE TABLE.
SO I CAN TELL YOU IS WHEN YOU SIT FROM THE OUTSIDE LOOKING IN.
YOU MAY PERCEIVE THIS IRRESPONSIBILITY HAPPEN, BUT THERE'S REALLY WASN'T.
THERE REALLY WASN'T. IT'S JUST THAT NOT ENOUGH REVENUE WAS COMING IN IN ORDER TO DO THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE WANT.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? LET'S CALL LET'S CALL THE HOMESTEAD.
THIS A SENATOR, FEDERAL SENATOR, BUT HE WAS THE SENATOR OF THE STATE THAT DECIDED HE WANTED TO GIVE AN ADDITIONAL $25,000 IN HOMESTEAD.
WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT DID TO THE CITY OF PALM BAY? IT WASN'T THE SAME PROPERTY VALUES YOU HAVE NOW.
YOU HOMESTEAD A HOUSE TO $50,000 AND THE HOUSE IS VALUED AT 80.
WHAT ARE YOU GETTING? AND THEN THE PERSON COMES HERE YELLING AT YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT PROVIDING THEIR SERVICES. SO THERE'S A LOT OF UNDERSTANDING AND NOT JUST A LOT OF WANTS.
MY UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THE PROCESS OF THE CITY REALLY WORKS AND PEOPLE ALWAYS WANT.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU, IF YOU GO UP NORTH, SOME PEOPLE ARE PAYING FIVE, 10,000, 15,000, $20,000 IN PROPERTY TAXES.
THAT'S NOT EVEN HAPPENING HERE.
YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO PROBABLY TO A MERIT ISLAND OR ONE OF THE VERO BEACH IN ORDER TO SEE THOSE NUMBERS. SO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE DEALING HERE OF WHY THE 3% CAP HAS BECOME AN IMPORTANT AND I KNOW WHAT MR. LEGATO SAYS IT'S I MEAN, IT'S A HIT OR MISS.
YOU DON'T UNDER THIS CLIMATE, IF THE PEOPLE THAT REALLY WANT THE 3% CAP TO GO AWAY DON'T GO OUT THERE INTO THE PUBLIC, JUST LIKE THEY DID WITH THE ROAD MAINS, WITH THE ROAD BOND.
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BECAUSE THE ROAD BOND, IT WAS THE CLIMATE WAS PERFECT.THE CLIMATE WAS PERFECT IN 2016 AND THE CLIMATE WAS PERFECT IN 2018 WHEN IT PASSED, THE PEOPLE THE TRUST WAS THERE.
THE TRUST OF EXPLAINING TO TO THE COMMUNITY, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO IF YOU WANT US.
BECAUSE I DRIVE AROUND PALM BAY ALWAYS HAVE, ALWAYS WELL.
AND I DRIVE AROUND PALM BAY AND MY JAW DROPS ON THE ON THE KEY THING OF IF YOU BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME.
AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT HAPPENED.
WE BUILT IT, WE BUILT THE ROADS.
AND NOW YOU CAN TURN ON A BLOCK THAT HOUSES ARE NOT GOING UP.
IT CAME. AND THAT REPUTATION THAT PALM BAY ABOUT POTHOLES.
I'VE SEEN WORSE CITIES AROUND THE UNITED STATES WITH WORSE POTHOLES, AND THEY HAVE MILLION DOLLAR HOMES IN FRONT OF THEM.
SO SOMETIMES I THINK THE DISCUSSION AS A RESIDENT OF PALM BAY FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS IS THAT SOMETIMES WE'RE OUR WORST ENEMY BECAUSE WE ALLOW PEOPLE TO TALK ABOUT OUR CITY NEGATIVELY. I NEVER ALLOWED THAT IN FRONT OF ME.
BECAUSE I GOT AROUND THE UNITED STATES WITH OTHER MAYORS AND I SAW WHAT OTHER MAYORS WERE GOING THROUGH. AND SOME IDEAS ARE BROUGHT BACK TO PALM BAY TO MAKE PALM BAY BETTER, BECAUSE SOMETIMES THERE'S OTHER MUNICIPALITIES ARE DOING A BETTER JOB.
AND SOMETIMES I WOULD SIT WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND STAFF JUST TO BOUNCE IDEAS OF WHAT WE COULD DO HERE IN THE CITY.
AND LOOK, WE'RE IN A PERFECT PLACE.
IT'S JUST NOW TO NOT GET LONG WINDED, WHICH I'M BEING LONG WINDED NOW, IS THE FACT THAT WE NEED TO WE NEED TO KEEP THAT BALANCED PROGRAM BECAUSE EVERYBODY THAT'S SET UP THERE WITH ME, ALL OF US THAT LEFT.
EXCEPT FOR ONE PERSON, WHICH WAS KENNY.
NO NEGLIGENCE AT ALL ON OUR PART.
AND WHAT HAPPENS IF A HURRICANE COMES? OKAY. SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, THERE IS A LINE ITEM ON THE BUDGET THAT SAYS ROAD MAINTENANCE PROGRAM AND $2 MILLION IS CURRENTLY GOING INTO THAT PER YEAR.
NO. THE REOCCURRING NUMBER IS 750,000.
THE $2 MILLION THAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE FUND IS A COMPOUNDING OF MONEY THAT'S BEEN GOING IN FROM PRIOR FISCAL YEAR AND THE LAND SALES.
BUT THAT DIDN'T COME INTO FRUITION, THAT WE COMMITTED 2 MILLION AT THAT TIME IN 2009.
BUT THE THING IS, IT WAS TAKEN AWAY BECAUSE THE ECONOMY TANKED.
SO WE HAD TO TAKE THOSE $2 MILLION AND BRING IT BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND.
AND IT WASN'T UNTIL WE GOT BACKED INTO 2012 OR SO THAT WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT IT AGAIN, ABOUT THE ROAD MAINTENANCE PROGRAM.
WE NEEDED A ROAD MAINTENANCE PROGRAM.
AND THEN WHEN IT REALLY EVERYTHING KIND OF BLEW UP NUCLEAR ONCE WE GOT THE BOND MONEY IS LIKE, OKAY, THEY'RE GOING TO START.
EVEN THE NUMBERS WERE BEING LOOKED AT BY THAT MARKETING FIRM OR CONSULTING, LETTING US KNOW THE PROJECTION OF WHEN WE WILL BE IN A CRITICAL SITUATION.
AND THE CRITICAL SITUATION REALLY IS TO 2024, 2025.
WE WILL HAVE NO MONEY IF WE DON'T PUT MONEY INTO IT.
AT LEAST IF YOU EVEN IF YOU PUT $100,000, YOU WOULD NEED TO CONTINUE TO PUT 500 TO TO A MILLION CONSISTENTLY TO GET PREPARED FOR 2025.
SO THIS SOUNDS LIKE IT'S SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL HAS TO MAKE A DECISION RIGHT NOW TO.
NOTHING HERE THAT WE CAN DO WITH OR WITHOUT THE CAP BEING PASSED.
CORRECT. CORRECT. SO IT'S REALLY ABOUT A BUDGET PRIORITY THAT COUNCIL WILL I MEAN, THAT'S GOING TO BE ON MY LIST, OBVIOUSLY, AS I KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT.
SO IT'S ON MY LIST. I'M SURE IT'S GOING TO BE ON COUNCIL'S LIST AND WE'LL RECOMMEND A CERTAIN LEVEL OF FUNDING AND THEN THEY'LL TELL US WHERE THEY WANT US TO BE.
UM. BUT ACCORDING TO THE DIRECTOR THERE, WE NEED $3 MILLION OR NOTHING, RIGHT? YEAH. THE GOAL IS TO GET TO THAT ANNUAL AMOUNT.
THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS DISCUSSION IS TO SEE IF WE CAN ADD A PROVISION IN THE CITY CHARTER TO FUND ROAD MAINTENANCE.
AND YOU HEARD FROM SUZANNE, THERE'S JUST NO WAY TO REALLY PRACTICALLY DO THAT WITHOUT HANDCUFFING THE CITY, THE CITY.
THEY HAVE TO HAVE FLEXIBILITY IN THE BUDGET DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE ECONOMY, YOU KNOW, TAX REVENUE AND THAT TYPE OF THING.
I THINK WHAT YOU CAN ALL DO, WHAT WE CAN ALL DO IS AS PRIVATE CITIZENS AND I KNOW IT'S SOMETHING THAT BILL IS ALWAYS INVOLVED IN, IS EVERY YEAR THE CITY HAS BUDGET HEARINGS.
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AND AS PRIVATE CITIZENS AS YOU CAN BE THERE AND YOU CAN HAMMER HOME THE NECESSITY TO TO PUT MONEY INTO THE ROAD MAINTENANCE FUND.AND THEY DO LISTEN, IF YOU GET ENOUGH PEOPLE TO TALK ABOUT IT.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO DO THAT.
WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT TO TO KEEP ON ON THE CITY TO TO, YOU KNOW, FUND ROAD MAINTENANCE FUND FROM GENERAL FUND, WHICH IS WHERE IT HAS TO COME FROM.
AND I THINK THAT'S ALL WE CAN DO.
AND JUST, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY THE ECONOMY WILL CONTINUE ON A GOOD NOTE AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET TO THAT 3.4 MILLION ANNUALLY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ARE THERE ANY OTHER MECHANISMS OR SOURCES OUTSIDE THE GENERAL FOOD? BUT THE CITY EXPLORES.
OR SEARCHES FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING WHICH COULD BE EARMARKED FOR MID-TIER.
YES. I MEAN, WE ALWAYS TRY TO KEEP A LOOK OUT FOR.
THE OTHER OPTIONS WOULD BE, ARE THERE GRANTS? ARE THERE STATE OR FEDERAL APPROPRIATIONS? THE ANSWER, IN SHORT, IS TYPICALLY NO, BECAUSE FOR SOMETHING LIKE ROAD MAINTENANCE.
I GUESS IT'S MAYBE NOT AS EXCITING FROM A GRANT OR APPROPRIATION STANDPOINT.
SO TYPICALLY THOSE FUNDING SOURCES ARE FOR NEW THINGS OR EXPANSIONS.
FOR EXAMPLE, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME FEDERAL PROGRAMS HISTORICALLY THAT YOU COULD GET A HOLD OF TO. FOR EXAMPLE, DO LIKE A MAJOR ROADWAY IMPROVEMENT.
BUT OFTENTIMES IT HAD TO HAVE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMPONENT.
SO THERE WAS SOME FUNDING THERE, BUT IT WASN'T ABOUT ROAD MAINTENANCE.
ALSO, WE'RE ACTIVE PARTICIPANTS IN THE SPACE COAST, TPO, THE TRANSPORTATION PLANNING ORGANIZATION, AND THEY HAVE ACCESS TO SOME STATE FUNDING.
AND SO WE WE HAVE LISTS OF PROJECTS THAT ARE.
WE PUT ON THEIR PRIORITY LIST.
BUT THOSE ARE ALSO NOT TYPICALLY YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE MAINTENANCE FUND TYPE REQUESTS.
THEY'RE ALL GOING TO BE FOR EXPAND A ROAD, EXTEND A ROAD LIKE THE SAINT JOHN'S PARKWAY.
SO THE SHORT ANSWER, I GUESS, IS THERE ARE NOT REALLY VERY MANY OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO US.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'VE EVER ASKED IN TERMS OF LIKE A STATE APPROPRIATION.
BUT TYPICALLY THAT'S BECAUSE THE ONLY ONE THINGS LIKE EXCITING THINGS LIKE A NEW FIRE STATION OR BAFFLE BOXES TO CLEAN TURKEY CREEK, THINGS LIKE THAT.
I'VE HEARD THAT OUR CONGRESSMEN ARE SUPPOSED TO BRING ALL THE PORK.
UH, WHAT IS OUR CONGRESSMAN DOING RELATIVE TO THESE ISSUES IN BREVARD? HAS HE BEEN APPROACH? HAS HE EVER EVEN SHOWED ANY INTEREST IN AND IS THIS A PROBLEM SPECIFIC TO PALM BAY OR IT IS BREVARD COUNTY.
THE, UH, AT THE, AT THE STATE LEVEL YOU HIT OR WHERE EVERYTHING AT THE, AT THE STATE LEVEL. WE'VE HAD OUR, OUR CURRENT LOBBYISTS FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS ENGAGED.
AND SO HOW THAT, HOW OUR ASSETS GET FORMULATED IS WE TALK ABOUT THAT WITH COUNCIL COUNSEL SAYS THESE ARE THE PRIORITIES WE WANT YOU TO GO AFTER.
AND THEN WE WE SEEK SUPPORT FROM OUR SENATOR, OUR REPRESENTATIVES.
AND SO WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL THE LAST CYCLE AT THE STATE LEVEL, AND WE APPEAR TO BE POISED FOR SUCCESS IN THIS CURRENT CYCLE.
LIKE I SAID, WE ASKED FOR BAFFLE BOX FUNDING LAST YEAR AND WE WE GOT THAT.
WE'VE GOT REQUESTS FOR BAFFLE BOX FUNDING AGAIN THIS YEAR BECAUSE OUR PRIORITIES, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, HAVE TO BE ALIGNED WITH THOSE OF THE LEGISLATIVE BODY.
AND SO CLEAN WATER ARE VERY IMPORTANT.
SO THEY'RE SUPPORTING THOSE THINGS.
THEY'RE ALSO SUPPORTING CURRENTLY A REQUEST FOR $400,000 TOWARD THE BUILD OF THE FIRE STATION REPLACEMENT ON PALM BAY ROAD.
THEY'VE SHOWN SUPPORT FOR THAT, BUT WE HAVE NOT EVER ASKED THEM FOR, NOR DO I.
FORESEEING THE FUTURE THAT WE WOULD ASK FOR FUNDING TO DO SOMETHING THAT I WOULD IMAGINE THEY'D CONSIDER TO BE A CITY RESPONSIBILITY, WHICH IS TO FUND MAINTENANCE OF OUR OWN ROADS. IT DOESN'T MEAN COUNCIL CAN'T DIRECT US TO ASK ONE DAY.
AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, WE'VE JUST HAD A FEDERAL LOBBYIST.
THIS IS THEIR THEIR FIRST SEASON SESSION THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM NOW.
ALSO, AGAIN, COUNCIL HAS ESTABLISHED WHAT THOSE PRIORITIES ARE THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.
ROAD MAINTENANCE IS NOT ONE OF THEM.
BUT CERTAINLY IF THERE WERE ONE OF THE THINGS THEY'RE TASKED WITH DOING IS WATCHING FOR FEDERAL GRANTS, IF THERE WERE FEDERAL GRANTS THAT CAME AVAILABLE.
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UM, THAT FIT OUR, OUR PARAMETERS AS A CITY.OFTENTIMES YOU'LL FIND FUNDING FOR RURAL AREAS WHERE MAYBE YOU COULD GET MONEY FOR, FOR ROAD MAINTENANCE. BUT THAT DOESN'T FIT US TYPICALLY.
IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT CAME UP, OUR LOBBYISTS WOULD LET US KNOW AND THEN WE WOULD APPLY AND TRY TO BE COMPETITIVE.
JUST TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT SHE'S SAYING AS SENATOR NELSON.
OKAY. AND EVEN AT THAT TIME, I POSEY, I THINK, WAS A CONGRESSMAN, BUT SENATOR NELSON WAS THE ONE WHO LED THE CHARGE TO GET US FUNDING FROM THE FEDERAL LEVEL.
FOR TRAUTMAN, THE REALIGNMENT OF TRAUTMAN BECAUSE IT AFFECTED HARRIS CORPORATION AND THE WHOLE PART, EVEN THOUGH THAT THAT'S A LOCAL ROAD.
BUT THE PROJECT WAS BIGGER ENOUGH THAT IT GRANTED FEDERAL FUNDING AND WE GOT FEDERAL FUNDING AND WE ALSO GOT FEDERAL FUNDING WHEN THEY NEED TO DO THE EXPANSION ON AMAZON.
SO IT'S. THEN WE HAVE TO PUT ROADS TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL TO GET SOME FEDERAL FUNDING.
SO BIG PROJECTS, WE GOT TO COME UP WITH SOME BIG PROJECT SO THAT I COULD GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE THAT THAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST.
BUT IT HAS TO MEET A CERTAIN CRITERIA, FEDERAL CRITERIA, IN ORDER FOR THE FUNDING, BUT NOT MAINTENANCE, NOT THE DISCUSSION WE HAVE IN WRITING.
AND RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANY FEDERAL MONEY.
OR STATE MONEY. STATE, CORRECT? YEAH, I YOU KNOW, I ASKED THAT QUESTION.
I RECALL A BOND ISSUE THAT DID PASS SOME YEARS AGO.
THE BIGGEST COMPLAINT I WAS BEFORE YOU BECAME MAYOR.
I THINK THE BIGGEST COMPLAINT WE HEARD IS THAT NOBODY KNEW WHY.
MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE A DEPARTMENT IN THE CITY? THAT EDUCATE.
THE CITIZENRY REGARDED THE NECESSITY OF ROAD REPAIRS AND THE IMPACT OF THE CITY SO THAT PEOPLE WOULD BE MORE AMENABLE TO BONDS AND TAX INCREASES IF THEY ARE NECESSARY.
IS THERE SUCH A DEPARTMENT? WELL, THERE'S NOT A DEPARTMENT SPECIFICALLY DEDICATED TO ONE TOPIC OF EDUCATION.
WE HAVE A PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICE, AND THEIR JOB IS TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ABOUT LOTS OF DIFFERENT THINGS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAVE TASKED THEM WITH IS IMPROVING OUR OUTWARD FACING COMMUNICATION ON WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE ROAD BOND PROGRAM, BECAUSE THAT'S IMPORTANT. AND WHEN WE START TO GET QUESTIONS AND PEOPLE ASKING, WELL, ARE YOU EVEN DOING THE ROAD BOND PROGRAM ANYMORE? THAT'S THAT TELLS ME THAT WE NEED TO DO MORE EDUCATION OUTREACH.
IF YOUR QUESTION IS SPECIFIC TO CITY STAFF AND THE ROLE IN GETTING SOMETHING PASSED LIKE A CHARTER AMENDMENT OR A, YOU KNOW, A REQUEST FOR AN ASSESSMENT OR SOMETHING, WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT THAT.
AND I'M SURE PATRICIA COULD TELL YOU ALL ABOUT IT.
WE CERTAINLY CAN EDUCATE, BUT WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL NOT TO ADVOCATE.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. MISS SHERMAN.
AND IF YOU'LL ALLOW MR. WATANABE TO TO A DEGREE, I JUST WANT TO KIND OF FILTER SOME THOUGHTS IN MY BRAIN AND FORGIVE ME BOARD FOR TAKING YOU ON THE JOURNEY HERE.
BUT WHEN I THINK OF THE STORMWATER FUND, YOU KNOW THERE'S DYNAMICS AROUND IT AND IT IS WHAT IT IS, HOW WE GOT HERE.
BUT WHAT WE KNOW NOW IS THAT THERE IS A REOCCURRING PAYMENT CITIZEN MAKES TO THE CITY, GOES INTO A POT.
MY UNDERSTANDING AS A CITIZEN IS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT ALLOWS US TO PUBLIC WORKS IS OUT THERE. THEY'RE DIGGING THE DITCHES IN CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS AND SO ON.
BUT CERTAINLY I KNOW THAT THE MAJORITY OF THEIR THEIR WORK IN UPGRADING THE STORMWATER SYSTEM, MAINTAINING IT WHAT HAVE YOU IS, IS AS A PREDECESSOR TO THE ROAD BOND WHERE THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT THE SAME, BUT THEY'RE VERY HARMONIOUS.
RIGHT. SO THE BEST EXAMPLE WOULD BE FOR THE FOLKS THAT DEALT WITH THE EMERSON CLOSURE.
WHY, WHY? WHY? I KNEW WHY I WAS I'M PART OF THE CITIZEN DEPARTMENT, MR. MCCLURE, WHO TELLS PEOPLE THESE THINGS AND MAKES THEM UNDERSTAND AND WHY WE DIDN'T PAVE EMERSON. WE WEREN'T READY. WE HAD TO FIX THAT CULVERT FIRST.
NOW WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK AND PAY IN THIS NEW PHASE WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS AS I SEE THIS, THIS STORMWATER FUND AS A REVENUE STREAM THAT THAT IS WORKED OUT.
AND AGAIN, THERE WAS A WHOLE DYNAMIC OF HOW WE GOT TO THAT SOLUTION.
AND I KNOW THAT CURRENTLY WE HAVE THE ROAD BOND MONEY, BUT THAT IS FOR BUILDING THE ROADS. SO WE PULL DOWN, WE DIRECT STORMWATER MONEY TOWARDS AN AREA THAT NEEDS REFURBISHMENT AND REFRESHMENT ANYWAY.
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BUT WHAT WE'RE DIRECTING IT SPECIFICALLY TO SUPPORT THE OVERALL LONGEVITY OF OF THE ROADS. SO WE GO IN THIS UNIT, WE PAY ATTENTION TO THIS UNIT, WE REPLACE THOSE CULVERTS WITH THIS MONEY THAT'S CONTINUING TO COME IN, THEN WE REPAVE THE ROAD.SO IN MY OPINION, THE STORMWATER FUND AS IT STANDS CURRENTLY IS AN ENABLER TO THE ROAD PROJECT THAT THAT SCALE IS GOING TO CHANGE AND ADJUST BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO GET THROUGH WHAT WE NEED TO TO GET THE ROAD, THE PHASE DONE.
AND SO FRESH CULVERTS, FRESH DITCHES, DITCHES DUG OUT THE IN-GROUND.
SWALES I BELIEVE, MR. WATANABE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT WE'RE GOING TO ALL BUT ELIMINATE THOSE WITHIN THE ROAD BOND PROGRAM, RIGHT? WE'RE GOING TO GET CULVERTS INTO THOSE IN-GROUND SWALES IN MOST INSTANCES, OR JUST FIX THEM UP, SAVE THAT FOR A FULL RESPONSE, IF YOU WILL.
AND SO WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS I THINK THAT THE THE ROAD BOND PROGRAM IS CURRENTLY LEANING ON THE STORMWATER FUND A LITTLE BIT.
AND AGAIN, AS A AS A CITIZEN AND AT THAT AN EDUCATED CITIZEN ON THE SUBJECT MATERIAL, I DON'T MIND THAT THAT LEAN AT ALL, BUT I THINK THAT THAT LEAN IS GOING TO LESSEN.
SO THEN I ASK WHAT WILL THE REVENUE FOR THE STORMWATER FUND LOOK LIKE? WHAT KIND OF SURPLUS MAY WE END UP IN? I'M A REALISTIC FELLOW.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO PASS ANY SURPLUS SAVINGS ON TO THE CITIZEN.
WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THE RATE THE SAME OR WE'RE GOING TO RAISE IT YEAR IN, YEAR OUT.
SO WILL WE MAYBE IN THE FUTURE BE ABLE TO LEAN INTO THAT PROGRAM TO HELP WITH ROAD MAINTENANCE? CAN WE MAYBE PEEL OFF AND AGAIN, THIS IS A VERY ABSTRACT IDEA AND FORGIVE ME FOR COMPANY SO RAW, BUT I'M REALLY JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE EVERYTHING RELATED, I MEAN, IT'S ROADS AND STORMWATER, THEY'RE DARN NEAR SYNONYMOUS.
THANK YOU. SO I'LL LET FRANK ANSWER THE OTHER QUESTION IN A MOMENT.
BUT YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO USE THE STORM WATER FEE FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN STORM WATER TYPE PROJECTS. SO IS THERE A POTENTIAL IN THE FUTURE TO LOOK AT CREATING A SEPARATE MECHANISM? THAT IS A WE'LL CALL IT A ROAD MAINTENANCE FEE SEPARATE FROM THE STORMWATER FEE. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE COULD CERTAINLY LOOK AT, BUT THAT THAT MIGHT BE A A CHALLENGE. AND PATRICIA'S PATRICIA'S MAKING A FACE, SO SHE MIGHT WANT TO SHARE SOMETHING.
I KNOW THERE'S SUCH A RICH DYNAMIC OF HOW WE GOT THE STORMWATER FEE.
ANYWAY, WHERE I'M AT IS, AND I DON'T KNOW MY EXACT AMOUNT.
MAYBE YOU DO. MY WATER BILL HAS BEEN CRAZY LATELY, BUT ANYWAYS, CHECK FOR A LEAK.
THAT WAS JUST THE RATE INCREASE KICKING IN.
THAT'S ALL THAT WAS. BUT I DON'T KNOW.
SAY I PAY $14 A MONTH, 14 BUCKS A MONTH.
SO AS I GET OUT INTO MY COMMUNITY IN A COUPLE OF YEARS, MR. MCCOY, AND I'M TALKING TO MY FELLOW CITIZENS, I'M SAYING, HEY, LISTEN, THEY WANT TO ADD $4 A MONTH FOR ROADS.
I'LL TELL YOU TEN TIMES TILL TUESDAY WHY WE NEED THE $4 FOR ROADS.
BUT THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO DIAL DOWN THE STORMWATER BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED AS MUCH.
IT'S GOING TO COME DOWN TO $11 FOR THE NET.
COME ON, DON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT THAT.
VOTE IT THROUGH. LET'S TAKE CARE OF THESE ROADS.
THAT'S JUST THIS PLACE THAT I'M IN.
AND FORGIVE ME, MADAM ATTORNEY, FOR BEING SO NAIVE AND THINKING THAT POSSIBILITY COULD COULD JUMP IN. BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING.
AND I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND IF THAT'S A POSSIBILITY, IF WE WILL LEAN OFF OF STORM WATER ENOUGH THAT PERHAPS WE ARE IN A POSITIVE POSITION AND FRANKLY DON'T NEED AS MUCH AS WE DO NEED TODAY. I'M GOING TO HEDGE A LITTLE ON THE ANSWER TO THAT IN TERMS OF THE STORM WATER AND DIALING DOWN SIMPLY BECAUSE IT'S ONLY BEEN IN THE PAST FEW YEARS THAT WE'VE REALLY STARTED TO HAVE A A TRUE STORM WATER CAPITAL, CONSISTENT CAPITAL PROGRAM, IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. WHAT'S TRICKY TO KNOW RIGHT NOW IS WHAT ARE WHAT ARE TRUE.
STORM WATER FUNDING NEED IS FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS IN A YEAR.
BECAUSE CERTAINLY I MEAN, I KNOW THE LIST IS LONG AND BUT LIKE A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE CAPITAL IN NATURE IN THE CITY, WE'RE STILL PLAYING CATCH UP.
SO I CAN'T TELL YOU WITH ANY CERTAINTY TODAY THAT MY MY ANNUAL NEED FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, FUNDING FOR THE CITY TO KEEP UP ON ALL THE NORMAL THINGS THAT FAIL AND BREAK AND WHATEVER IS 3 MILLION, 4 MILLION.
THE OTHER REASON I HAVE TO SORT OF TELL YOU, I DON'T KNOW YET, BUT ONE DAY I HOPE TO ANSWER THAT MUCH MORE ELOQUENTLY PERHAPS IS NOT ONLY ARE WE USING THE VAST MAJORITY OF THAT FUNDING TODAY, OTHER THAN OTHER THAN FOR THE PERSONNEL OPERATING COSTS, THE MACHINES, ETC., THAT WE USE TO GO OUT AND TAKE CARE OF THINGS.
BUT THE CAPITAL INVESTMENTS THAT WE'RE MAKING IN USING STORMWATER FEE IN ADVANCE OF THE ROAD BOND. THOSE ARE ONLY DEALING WITH THE CRITICAL PIPES.
SO OUR CITY ENGINEER CAN TALK MORE TO THAT.
BUT THERE'S A JUST LIKE WE DO FOR THE ROAD AND WE DO THE PCI RATING FOR THE ROAD AND WHAT QUALITY IS, AND WE DO THE SAME WITH THE PIPES, ESSENTIALLY.
AND SO WE'RE ONLY REPLACING THOSE THAT ARE REALLY IN A BAD PLACE, WHICH MEANS I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT DOING ANY OF THE ROAD BOND ON TOP OF 100% NEW PIPES.
THERE'S PIPES THAT HAVE BEEN REPLACED BECAUSE THEY NEEDED TO AND THEY WERE FAILED OR
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GETTING CLOSE TO. BUT THERE ARE PLENTY OF OTHER PIPES THAT ARE IN DIFFERENT AGES, AND SO THOSE ARE GOING TO NEED TO BE REPLACED.SO AGAIN, THERE'S A LOT OF UNKNOWNS FOR ME RIGHT NOW TO SAY WITH ANY CONFIDENCE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE STORMWATER FEE IN THE FUTURE.
AND I KNOW PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO SEE US REDUCE THAT.
AND CERTAINLY THAT'S ALWAYS MY GOAL TO I JUST DON'T HAVE THOSE THAT MATH YET.
RANDALL BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT EVEN WHEN I WAS RUNNING AS A BEING FROM JAMAICA, THAT WE HAVE A SEPARATE LINE ITEM THAT WE KNOW WE PAY FOR.
SO IT DOES MAKE SENSE, I GUESS, ONCE WE FIGURE EVERYTHING OUT.
BUT WHEN I THOUGHT ABOUT IT, I LOOKED AT THE PRACTICALITY OF IT AND REALIZE IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T WORK. BUT IT IS A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE THEN NOW YOU'RE SURE IN THE FUTURE.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO LOOK AT THAT MECHANISM AND SEE HOW IT WORKS BECAUSE THAT'S LIKE WE KNOW FUNDING IS COMING IN FOR THE STORMWATER.
WE'LL KNOW FOR SURE AND I WOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IF IF COUNCIL CARES OR NOT, THE PEOPLE WILL GET WHAT THEY PAY FOR LITERALLY.
THANK YOU. AND I'M I'M VERY INTRIGUED TO HEAR THAT WE CAN ADOPT A PRACTICE FROM FROM AN ISLAND NATION. I LOVE THE FACT THAT WE GET TO BRING THOSE THINGS IN.
SO THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT. MS. US THE PRACTICE WAS GOOD UNTIL ONE OF THE PARTIES DISBANDED THE PUBLIC WORKS SERVICE.
THAT'S ALWAYS ONE TO HAVE FRANK ANSWER THE.
OH, HERE. AND THE STORMWATER PROGRAM.
IT'S IN ADVANCE OF THE PROGRAM, SO THAT DO RUN PARALLEL.
HOWEVER, THE CITY WAS CORRECT.
WE RAID OUR PIPES AHEAD OF TIME.
SO THERE'S A RATING FROM, YOU KNOW, FROM GOOD TO BAD.
AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, A GOOD EXAMPLE, 3132 WE PROBABLY HAD, YOU KNOW, MAYBE 20 TO 25% OF THE PIPES REPLACE.
SO THE REMAINING 75%, THEY'RE ALL STILL CORRUGATED METAL PIPES.
AND SO THE STORMWATER FUND IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO HANDLING THE CITY'S STORMWATER NEEDS.
JUST MEAN UPFRONT ABOUT IT. IT'S THE ODD GDC CITY WHERE I USED TO COME FROM.
YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY TIME WILL COME WHEN THOSE PIPES WILL FAIL.
RIGHT NOW, WITH THE REAL PROGRAM, DO NOT HINDER THE PROGRAM BECAUSE WE WERE GIVEN A STARTING DATE WITHIN A SIX MONTH PERIOD.
WE HAD TO GET PAVING STARTED AND THAT'S WHAT WE DID.
AND SO WE JUMPED ON THOSE UNITS AND WE'RE STILL DOING THE SAME THING.
WE ONLY DO THE WORSE PIPES, GET THEM OUT TO BID, WE GET THEM REPLACED, AND THEN THE PAVING STARTS. FRANK, WOULD YOU GIVE THEM AN IDEA OF WHAT THE LIFESPAN IS OF KEMP? AND THERE'S NEW TECHNOLOGIES AT THE TYPICAL THE OLD FASHIONED CORRUGATED METAL PIPES THAT LASTED 20 YEARS. THE STEEL PIPES YOU CAN BUY, THE NEWER ONES THAT HAVE BEEN COATED.
THEY STILL DON'T LAST AS LONG.
A CONCRETE, METAL, CONCRETE PIPES, REINFORCED CONCRETE PIPES UNDER YOUR LIFE SPAN.
THE NEW ONES NOW ARE THESE GREAT PIPES.
THEY'RE PLASTIC, BUT THEY'RE GRAY.
THEY'RE NOT THE OLD BLACK ONES WITH THE GREEN LINE.
THEY'RE GRAY AND THEY'RE DOUBLE WALLED.
AND THEY'RE EXTREMELY HEAVY DUTY, IF NOT APPROVED, 100 YEAR LIFESPAN.
AND THE BEST THING ABOUT THE PLASTIC PIPES WAY CHEAPER.
AND TYPICALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A 40 FOOT ROAD, THESE PLASTIC PIPES COME IN 20 FOOT SECTIONS.
DROPPING THE WHOLE. YOU DONE? MR. WATANABE JUST BRIEFLY, VERY SPECIFICALLY, I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT IN GRANTS WALES.
SO JUST TO GIVE YOU A VERY SPECIFIC EXAMPLE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA, BUT WHEN YOU COME AROUND A BEND OF AMERICANA OFF OF EMERSON, IT'S AMERICANA IN AVONDALE, RIGHT? SO THAT'S JUST A PRIME EXAMPLE OF AN IN-GROUND SWALE.
SO IT'S MY POTENTIALLY NAIVE THOUGHT THAT WHEN WE GET INTO THAT UNIT, WHICH IT'S A PHASE FIVE UNIT, THAT WE'LL GO IN THERE, CREATE AN ACTUAL SWALE AND THEN PAVE OVER IT.
AM I INCORRECT IN THAT ASSESSMENT? WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT IS ANOTHER GIFT FROM GDC THIS TOWN.
AND LIKE ALL GDC TOWNS, THEY HAVE WHAT THEY CALL THESE PAVED SWELLS.
AND WHEN YOU GET TO THE INTERSECTION WHERE THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN A PIPE, INSTEAD THEY PUT IT LIKE A LITTLE VALLEY GUTTER AND THEY MADE IT WITH ASPHALT SO THE WATER COULD FLOW, BUT NO WATER AND ASPHALT, THEY DON'T GET ALONG.
SO IT'S NOT THE BEST THING TO DO.
AND WHAT HAPPENS IS WE TRY TO FIX IT BY PUTTING IN A PIPE.
THE PIPE HAS TO BE LOWERED TO HAVE THE COVERAGE.
SO NOW A PART THAT'S EVEN A LITTLE BIT LOWER.
SO NOW YOU HAVE THESE LITTLE SPOTS UNTIL WE COULD TRENCH OUT THE LINE.
SO THAT'S AN EYESORE FOR FOR THE RESIDENTS.
DO WE REALLY WANT TO PIPE IT OR DO WE PUT THE TAPE SPELL BACK IN OR DO YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT? WE'RE LOOKING INTO THAT.
WE'VE HAD CHALLENGES WHERE WE TOOK OUT THE PIPES.
WE'LL PUT IN A PIPE, BUT THE CONTRACTOR WASN'T SO GOOD AND NOW WE HAVE A HUMP IN THE ROAD. AND SO WE HAVE A GOOD THING.
WE'RE COMING BACK AND FIXING THE ROAD AND WE'LL FIX IT.
BUT THERE'S CHALLENGES WITH THE WAY OF THE PAST.
AND AGAIN, THAT WAS A GIFT GIVEN TO US FROM GDC, AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIX IT.
THANK YOU, SIR, FOR THAT INFORMATION.
I APPRECIATE IT. WITH THAT, I GUESS WE'RE NOT GOING TO MOVE ON.
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IT WAS JUST A DISCUSSION.WE'RE NOT VOTING TO DO ANYTHING WITH THIS.
SO. ANYTHING ELSE? YOU WISH, BILL.
YOU. GO BACK IN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTH WEST.
I'VE WATCHED THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION ADDRESS CITY COUNCIL SALARIES.
SALARIES? ONE MONTH VACATIONS, SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS.
SHOULD THE RESIDENTS HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE FOR THEIR ELECTED OFFICIALS? THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED AT CHARTER REVIEW SO FAR.
WELL, ROAD MAINTENANCE FUND IS THE FIRST ITEM THAT ACTUALLY ADDRESSES THE ACTUAL NEEDS OF THE RESIDENTS.
WITH AN ACTION LIKE THIS, THE CITY SHOULD NOT HAVE TO TAKE OUT ANOTHER 150 ROAD BOND BECAUSE THE FUNDS WILL BE DEAD AND DESIGNATE DESIGNATED BY CHARTER.
THE BUDGET CHANGE THAT I WATCHED OVER THE YEARS, THAT A LOT OF THAT DEPENDS ON THE CITY MANAGER. SO THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT ROAD MAINTENANCE IS GOING TO BE THE HIGHEST PRIORITY. IN FACT, AT THE TIME THAT I'VE BEEN ATTENDING THE MEETINGS LIKE THIS, I HAVE WATCHED ROAD MAINTENANCE BECOME THE STEPCHILD THAT NOBODY WANTED IN THE HOUSE.
BUT ONE THING I DID NOT SEE EVER HAPPEN FROM THE CITY BUDGET WAS PARKS AND RECREATION.
TO ME, BEING ABLE TO DRIVE TO THE PARK IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN HAVING A PARK.
BUT CURRENTLY, EVEN IN THE CITY BUDGET OF THIS YEAR, 9% OF YOUR BUDGET GOES FOR PARKS AND RECREATION. THEY'VE REPHRASED IT TO PARKS AND RECREATION AND MAINTENANCE.
I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING DESIGNATED, NOT ONE PENNY DESIGNATED FOR INFRASTRUCTURE OF ROAD MAINTENANCE. SO I'LL LET THAT BE YOUR THOUGHT OF WHERE YOU WANT TO BE.
I DIFFER WITH THE FACT IT MIGHT BE HARD ON MY COUNCIL, BUT AT LEAST BILL BATTEN WILL KNOW THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME KIND OF DEDICATED FUNDING TO KEEP THE INFRASTRUCTURE WORKING. AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK CITY CHARTER SHOULD BE LOOKING AT INSTEAD OF COUNCIL SALARIES, ONE MONTH VACATION, SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS WITHOUT RECOGNITION, RECONCILIATION, AND SHOULD THE RESIDENTS HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE FOR THEIR ELECTED OFFICIALS? THANK YOU. THANK YOU, BILL.
ANYONE ELSE ON THE AUDIENCE WISHES TO SPEAK.
IF NOT. HUH? OKAY. WHILE YOU WERE THERE AND ASKING ME.
AND YOU WENT TO THESE MAYORAL MEETINGS.
WAS THERE DISCUSSION AS TO MECHANISMS FOR RAISING FUNDS OTHER THAN THROUGH TAXES FOR LIKE INFRASTRUCTURE AND MAINTENANCE? DO EVERYTHING TO DO THE SAME THING THAT WE DO RIGHT EVERY CITY.
I MEAN, WHERE THERE'S A STRONG, STRONG MAYOR FORM OF GOVERNMENT OR CITY MANAGER COUNCIL FORM OF GOVERNMENT. YOU STILL HAVE YOUR CHALLENGES.
WE HAD THE CHALLENGE OF LET'S SAY WE HAVE THE CHALLENGE OF ROADS.
SOME PEOPLE HAVE THE CHALLENGE OF CRIME.
SO IT'S A VARIETY OF THINGS THAT ARE PRIORITIES TO CERTAIN CITIES THAT HAPPEN IN THE TIME THAT TENURE THAT I WAS THERE FOR EIGHT YEARS.
FOR SOME DAY, WE'RE DEALING WITH SOME ROAD ISSUES.
IT ALL ALL DEPENDS ON THE FUNDING.
IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE FUNDING AND THAT'S THE CONVERSATION THAT WE ARE CONTINUING TO HAVE.
I THINK FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THIS IS MY PERSPECTIVE.
I'M NOT GOING TO TALK TO ANYBODY ELSE.
WE HANDCUFFED OURSELVES WHEN THE 3% CAP PASSED.
SOME PEOPLE COULD BE FANS OF THE 3% CAP.
BUT I SAW IT FIRSTHAND AS I LOOKED AT THE BUDGET AND THE DISCUSSIONS I WAS HAVING WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND WITH CITY STAFF.
WE DID A LOT OF CUTTING BACK AS WE WERE GETTING BETTER JUST BECAUSE PROMISES WERE MADE.
SOME PEOPLE SEE THE WORD TAXES AS A DIRTY LITTLE WORD.
THEY FEEL THAT IF YOU INCREASE TAXES.
THAT'S THE WORD THAT WAS USED VERY FREQUENT UP IN THAT DIOCESE.
THE REALITY IS THAT WE HAD DEPARTMENTS THAT NEEDED STUFF.
AND WE COULDN'T ADDRESS THAT BECAUSE WE WERE.
WE WERE HANDCUFFED AND EVERYTHING HAD TO COME UP IN AN EMERGENCY WAY.
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WE HAD AN EMERGENCY FOR THIS. EMERGENCY FOR THAT.CHAIR, IF I MAY JUST KIND OF GO BACK TO WHAT MR. BATTEN SAID AND ALSO WHAT RANDALL MENTIONED.
YOU NEED $4 MILLION, GIVE AND TAKE $4 MILLION PER YEAR.
IF WE DIVIDED THAT AMONG TAXPAYERS, REALLY, HOW MUCH WOULD IT BE? AND I'M JUST I'M JUST CURIOUS AND, YOU KNOW, AS AN OPTION, BECAUSE IN REALITY, YOU JUST SAID THE THE DIRTY LITTLE WORD I HEARD.
AND YOU'RE GOING TO SEE WHAT THAT LITTLE DIRTY WORD IS GOING TO COME UP.
YOU'RE GOING TO SAY $4 MILLION ANNUALLY.
AND NOW YOU'RE ASKING THE RESIDENTS AS THEY SEE IT AS.
REMEMBER, IT'S EVERYBODY'S PERCEPTION.
YOU. I PAY ENOUGH TAXES TO YOU FOR YOU TO TAKE CARE OF THE THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO ME. YOU DECIDE WHAT'S IMPORTANT.
NOW IT FALLS ON COUNCIL TO DECIDE WHAT'S IMPORTANT.
I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, BUT IF YOU'RE YOU'RE GOING TO TAXI NOW THE RESIDENTS WITH MORE TAXES.
NO. THE REASON I MENTIONED THAT, BECAUSE IT PROBABLY WOULD BE NOT MUCH MONEY.
SO THEN THE QUESTION THEN WOULD HAVE TO TO TO LOOK AT MR. BANNON IN TERMS OF WHAT IS PRIORITY, AS WE HEARD IT, WILL DETERMINE BECOME THE COUNCIL'S RESPONSIBILITY OR THE CITY MANAGERS WHO TO CHOOSE THE PRIORITY.
AND IF IT COMES A LEAN YEAR, THE CITY MAY NOT EVEN PUT IT AS AN OPTION.
SO TO SECURE TO SECURE AND ENSURE THAT WE HAVE THAT.
THAT'S THAT'S REALLY THE QUESTION.
AND I'M NOT I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING, BUT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT.
YOU COULD LOOK AT IT AND SAID, WELL, WE COULD MINIMIZE THE CAP, NOT DO A00 CAP.
MINIMIZE THAT AND ENSURE THAT YOUR DOLLARS IS GOING DIRECTLY TO THIS.
AND YOU CAN SEE IT AND WE CAN TRACK IT AND WE KNOW WHAT IT IS.
SO IF WE ARE AND JUST BY LISTENING TO MR. BATTEN, I'M THINKING IN REALITY, WHAT WHAT AS IS CITIZENS REALLY READY? TO MAKE THAT DECISION WHEN IT COMES TO PUTTING THAT LINE ITEM IN AND MAKING THAT A PRIORITY. BUT LOOK, YOU TAKE IT AWAY FROM THIS AND I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING THE CITIZENS, BUT THERE'S ALSO OTHER FIVE CITIZENS THAT SIT UP THERE. AND THEIR FEAR IS THAT THEY ARE ABOUT TO LOSE AN ELECTION.
SO YOU HAVE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF CITIZENS.
ALL THE CITIZENS THAT SHOW UP 120,000.
AND THEN YOU GOT FIVE CITIZENS THAT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE 87,000 PEOPLE THAT ARE REGISTERED TO VOTE. AND THEY PERCEIVE THAT IF THEY MAKE THAT DECISION, THAT COULD BE THEIR ELECTION.
THERE'S A LOT AT PLAY HERE, AND I'M TRYING TO BE AS REALISTIC AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE JUST LIKE MR. BATTEN SAID, WHAT'S THE MILITARY SET FOR THIS YEAR? 7.897.
KNOWN AS SEVEN SOMETHING, SEVEN SOMETHING, BECAUSE WHEN I LEFT IT WAS SEVEN.
SO NOW MR. BATTEN JUST FINISHED TELLING YOU THAT IT WOULD TAKE 2,000,002 MILS TO FUND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO NOW SUBTRACT TWO FROM 7.8 AND YOU GOT 5.8.
NOW THAT'S GOING TO BE YOUR OPERATING BUDGET AT 5.5.8.
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO FUND POLICE, FIRE, PENSION AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND YOU TOOK TWO MILS TO PUT IT TOWARDS THE MAINTENANCE ROAD PROGRAM.
DO YOU THINK? HOW DO YOU THINK THIS ROOM WOULD GET WHEN POLICE OR FIRE DOESN'T SHOW UP TO A HOUSE THAT'S EITHER BURNING OR BEING ROBBED? I WASN'T LOOKING AT A SUBTRACTION.
IT IS A SUBTRACTION. IT WOULD HAVE TO BE AN ADDITION.
AND I WOULD ARGUE I WOULD ARGUE THAT ONE CAR REPAIR FOR BAD ROADS IS GOING TO BE MORE THAN YOU WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR ADDITIONAL TAXPAYERS.
BUT BUT THAT'S WHERE WE SHOULD.
I UNDERSTAND. I'M JUST I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE SIMPLY BECAUSE MR. BOLTON DIDN'T MENTION HOW DO WE LOOK AT FUNDING IT? AND WE HEARD THAT FROM THE GENERAL FUND AND THE CITY MANAGER AND THE COUNCIL WILL DETERMINE WHAT IT IS.
SO THERE'S NO GUARANTEE, AT NO POINT.
THE ONLY WAY THERE'S A GUARANTEE IF THERE WAS WAS A LINE EARMARKED AND IT'S THERE AND
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IT'S FUNDED, YOU KNOW, COME, COME WHAT MAY.BUT JUST BEFORE I LET YOU SPEAK, MR. DELGADO, BUT AT ANY GIVEN TIME, ANY COUNCIL COULD CHANGE THEIR MIND BECAUSE NO COUNCIL IS BOUND. TO DO PRIOR COUNCIL.
YEAH. I REMEMBER YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS YOUNGER.
WHEN YOU DIDN'T HAVE GRAY HAIRS.
I UNDERSTAND. WHEN I HAD HERE FORGET THE GRAY ONE I HAD HERE.
THERE WAS A BIG THERE WAS A BIG FIGHT BETWEEN PEPSI COLA AND COCA COLA.
IF THEY GOT ONE EXTRA POINT 1% OF THE MARKET SHARE, THEY'RE SAYING WE'RE REALLY GOING GOOD. THIS IS GREAT.
WHY ARE WE FIGHTING FOR THE SAME PIE? LET'S EXPAND THE PIE.
AND THAT'S WHEN THEY CAME OUT WITH BOTTLED JUICES, BOTTLED WATER.
AND THEIR SHARE JUST GREW EXPONENTIALLY AS FAR AS INCOME IS CONCERNED.
IT SEEMS LIKE. AND I'M JUST THROWING THIS OUT BECAUSE I'M.
I'M JUST. WE CALL IT BIG HACKING, BIG, HAIRY, AUDACIOUS GOALS WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT.
LET ME BACK UP FOR A MINUTE BECAUSE I THINK JUST TO THROW OUT I KNOW HE SPOKE I HOPE WE DON'T JUST. HE SHARED HIS THOUGHT.
A PIE. AND WE'RE SAYING, HOW CAN WE ADJUST THE PIE? CAN WE GET A TAKE A PERCENT HERE AT A PERCENT HERE? BUT WE'RE STILL CHOPPING UP THE SAME PIE AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE MONIES FROM THE SAME PIE, I.E.
THE PEOPLE. POINT BEING, AS BILL BATTEN SAID, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT VACATIONS.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING THIS PERSON THAT AND AND YET THE INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH IS SO IMPORTANT IS JUST KIND OF JUST HANGING.
I FORGET IF IT WAS UP IN COCOA OR SOME AREA.
THEY ADDED A EXTRA TAX ON HOTELS.
FOR. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS FOR THE CITY OR FOR THE COUNTY AND NOT REALLY SURE IF IT WAS THIS COUNTY. BUT THE POINT WAS THEY REALIZED THAT THEY WENT OUTSIDE OF THE PIE BECAUSE THERE WERE SO MANY PEOPLE COMING IN.
NOT FROM THE SAME PIE, BUT FROM ANOTHER PIE.
BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE COME OFF OF I-95.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO NOTICE THAT ONE THAT $0.01.
ALL OF A SUDDEN THE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GO.
THEY WENT UP THE WHOLE DOLLAR ANYWAY.
WHAT WAS ANOTHER PENNY? BUT BUT ARE THERE OTHER PIES THAT THAT WE CAN RECEIVE MONIES DIRECTED TOWARDS THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE ROADS? TO ME, THE GAS TAX SEEMS. MORE APPLICABLE BECAUSE THE MORE GAS YOU USE.
THE MORE YOU'RE USING THE ROADS, AND IT COULD BE VERY READILY OR EASILY PINPOINT.
I DON'T WANT TO REHASH OR SAY WHAT I'M JUST SAYING.
I THINK THE CONCEPT IS ALREADY OUT THERE.
BUT JUST A THOUGHT. THE CITY MANAGER IS LISTENING.
UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S OUTSIDE OF MY CONTROL.
THE COUNTY IS THE ENTITY WITH THE AUTHORITY TO LEVY THE GAS TAX.
THERE IS ROOM FOR ADDITIONAL LEVY IN THE GAS TAX IN PREFERRED COUNTY.
IF THEY WERE TO MAKE THAT MOVE, THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL TO US, I'D SAY.
RIGHT NOW WE GET SO GAS TAX, THE WAY THAT WORKS IS THE MONEY GOES UP TO THE STATE, THEN THE STATE, IT COMES BACK AS WHAT WE CALL A STATE SHARED REVENUE AND THERE'S CALCULATIONS, BUT POPULATION IS IS PART OF HOW THAT'S CALCULATED.
SO RIGHT NOW, OUR LINE ITEM IN GENERAL FUND THAT IS OUR STATE SHARED REVENUE FROM THE EXISTING GAS TAX IS ABOUT $3.6 MILLION.
SO IF THEY WERE TO INCREASE THAT BY ADDING AN ADDITIONAL $0.01, FOR EXAMPLE, WHICH THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO, WE WOULD DEFINITELY SEE AN INCREASE IN REVENUE.
HOW MUCH? I COULDN'T SAY OFFHAND WITHOUT LOOKING AT IT, BUT THAT WOULD CERTAINLY BE HELPFUL. SO, YES, I MEAN, LOOKING AT DIFFERENT REVENUE OPTIONS, CERTAINLY, I THINK THAT'S
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A GREAT IDEA. IT'S BEEN MENTIONED HERE IN OTHER WAYS, TOO.AND I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT REMEMBERING OFFHAND OUR MILITARY, BUT I JUST LOOKED IT UP.
IT WAS ACTUALLY WE ENDED UP WITH 7.5995.
SO NEITHER NINE OR EIGHT WERE CORRECT.
BUT ANYWAY, SO I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT ESCAPED ME.
BUT ANYWAY, SO YEAH, GAS TAX IS AN OPTION, BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE ANY POWER TO LEVY ANYTHING ADDITIONAL.
NO. I MEAN, NOT THAT I CAN THINK OF.
I MEAN, CERTAINLY WE'VE DISCUSSED AND HAD OUR OWN PALM BAY JOURNEY ON ASSESSMENTS.
RIGHT. I MEAN, THOSE ARE OTHER FUNDING SOURCES.
YOU CAN ESTABLISH DEDICATED MILLAGE LIKE A SINGLE MILL, FOR EXAMPLE, TOWARD ROADS.
YOU COULD JUST ESTABLISH THAT.
IT'S NOT ANYTHING SPECIAL OR DIFFERENT.
CURRENTLY. WHAT DOES THAT 3.6 MILLION YOU MENTION? WHAT DOES IT GO TO? IT'S PART OF THE OVERALL GENERAL FUND REVENUES AND ALL THE GENERAL FUND OPERATIONS AND DEPARTMENTS ARE ALL IT'S LIKE A BIG BUCKET.
SO IN THAT GENERAL FUND REVENUE, WE HAVE OBVIOUSLY ALL THE AD VALOREM TAXES.
SO LET ME SAY IT WOULD BE EASIER TO SAY IT THIS WAY.
UTILITIES AND STORMWATER FEES ARE ALL OVER HERE ON THE SIDE.
HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH GENERAL FUND.
ROAD BOND IS OVER HERE ON THE SIDE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GENERAL FUND.
SO WHAT THAT LEAVES YOU IS ANY SOURCE OF REVENUE, THAT IS TAXES, PROPERTY TAXES, IT IS STATE SHARED REVENUES.
SO THERE'S SOME FUNDING THAT WE GET, FOR EXAMPLE, FROM THE STATE FOR COMMUNICATIONS TAXES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THERE ARE ALSO SOME FRANCHISE FEE FEE REVENUES THAT WE GET THAT COME FROM ALLOWING DIFFERENT VENDORS TO OPERATE AND BE A SOLE, SOLE OPERATOR IN THE CITY, FOR EXAMPLE.
AND THE REST ARE GOING TO BE SMALLER THINGS THAT WE BRING IN FROM LIKE FEES FOR SERVICE, FOR EXAMPLE. SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU PAY GROWTH MANAGEMENT TO REVIEW SOMETHING THAT GIVES YOU THE DOCUMENT FOR A FENCE BECAUSE WE DO DO THOSE ADMINISTRATIVELY NOW.
WE DON'T DO THEM AS BUILDING, WHICH IS SEPARATE FUNDING ALSO, OR YOU APPLY TO HAVE A SITE PLAN REVIEW AND YOU PAY YOUR $275 THAT GOES INTO GENERAL FUND.
SO THERE'S LITTLE THINGS, CODE ENFORCEMENT, LITTLE THINGS YOU PAY LEAN SEARCHES, BUT ALL OF THAT IS ONE BIG BUCKET OF REVENUE.
YEAH, I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE THEN WHAT WOULD IT TAKE, AS MR. DELGADO MENTIONED, TO TAKE THE MONEY THAT YOU CURRENTLY GET FROM THE GAS TAX AND JUST SAY AT THIS FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS WE'RE GOING TO APPLY DIRECTLY TO ROAD MAINTENANCE SERVICE. SO ALL OF THAT MONEY IN GENERAL FUND IS WHAT WE USE TO FUND ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS. AND I WAS JUST WONDERING, WHAT WOULD IT DO FOR YOU? WOULD IT BE SO OKAY.
SO I GUESS THE SIMPLE ANSWER IS IF YOU TOOK THAT THREE PLUS MILLION DOLLARS AND YOU SAID, I'M GOING TO ALLOCATE THAT NOW FOR ROAD MAINTENANCE FUND, YOU COULD DO THAT, BUT YOU JUST HAVE TO CUT 3 MILLION EXPENSES SOMEWHERE ELSE.
THAT'S THAT'S REALLY THE MATH OF IT, AS SIMPLE AS IT SOUNDS.
YEAH. YEAH. SOMEBODY'S GOING TO GET THE GIFT.
AND ONE NOTE ON THE GAS TAX, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU'RE AWARE OF THIS, BUT THE COUNTY HAS ALREADY HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT REDUCING THE GAS TAX.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY.
DON'T EVEN GO IN THAT DIRECTION BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SIGN ON WITH IT.
AND SO YOU CAN PUT IT OUT THERE.
YES. MAY I ASK FRANK A QUESTION, FRANK? THE THE YEARS AFTER WE.
WE HAVE, I BELIEVE YOU SAID THREE YEARS TO MAINTAIN A ROAD AFTER WE'VE GONE IN AND PAVED.
IS THAT CORRECT? THREE YEARS IS FOR THE REJUVENATION.
AFTER THREE YEARS, YOU CAN'T APPLY THAT REJUVENATION.
GOTCHA. SO THEN WHAT WOULD BE THE COST IS THAT SAY WE MISS THAT THREE YEAR WINDOW AND THEN WE HAVE TO GO BACK IN AND START DOING SOME ROAD REPAIR.
THE COSTS, I WOULD ASSUME, WOULD GO UP DRASTICALLY.
TYPICAL, AS I MENTIONED, YOUR PAVED ROADWAY LAST 20 YEARS.
BUT LATELY NOW THEY'VE BEEN SAYING PROBABLY NOT SO 20 YEARS DUE TO JUST MATERIALS AND WORKMANSHIP, BUT LET'S SAY 20 YEARS.
SO IF YOU DON'T DO THE REJUVENATION, YOU GOT 20 YEARS.
TYPICALLY WHAT HAPPENS AFTER TEN YEARS, YOU'LL HAVE SOME SOME MINOR REPAIR WORK, MAYBE SOME PATCH WORK, SOME OVERLAYS, BUT TYPICALLY YOUR LAST 20.
AND A LOT OF YOUR LOCAL STREETS THAT HAVE VERY LITTLE TRAFFIC ON IT.
MAYBE 30 YEARS, BUT THAT'S WITHIN THE BALLPARK.
THE BEST THING WOULD BE TO PUT YOUR MONEY EARLY ON AND PAY THE EXTRA MONEY UP FRONT THE DOLLAR FOR THE REJUVENATION.
THEN YOU GUARANTEE THAT. MAKE SURE YOU EXTEND THAT THREE YEARS.
MAYBE DO IT AGAIN SIX YEARS, AND THEN YOU DO SOMETHING LIKE MICROSOFT, ANY LITIGATION OF THE FIVE YEARS. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE PUSHING OUT THERE ANOTHER 10 TO 15.
YOU JUST KEEP PUSHING IT OUT THERE BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, THE COST TO DO AN FR TWO COP TO
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DO FULL RECONSTRUCTION, IT'S WAY UP THERE IN TERMS OF SQUARE YARD.THANK YOU. AND THAT'S, I GUESS.
IT, REALLY? I GUESS IT BOTHERS ME THAT.
AND I HEAR YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE LIKE IT JUST IT FEELS LIKE THIS SHOULD BE A REALLY SIMPLE SOLVE BECAUSE IT AFFECTS EVERYONE.
AND I CAN'T IMAGINE SOMEBODY SAYING, NO, I DON'T WANT MY ROADS TO LOOK THE WAY THEY LOOK NOW. I'D BE HAPPY FOR THEM TO GO TO GARBAGE AND, YOU KNOW, A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.
SO I, I, I KEEP SAYING, MR. MAYOR. I, I, I, I APPRECIATE THESE MEETINGS BECAUSE AT TIMES WE GET THE HISTORY OF HOW WE GOT HERE.
I REALLY AM. AND SO IT'S GOOD TO UNDERSTAND THE WHY BEHIND IT.
HE SAID WE HAD THIS PLAN AND THEN WE HAD TO GO AWAY BECAUSE OF THE HOUSING CRASH.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE THINGS HAPPEN.
BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULDN'T.
BECAUSE BEFORE, WHEN WE TRIED THIS ONE INCIDENT HAPPENED.
AND IT TOOK US AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT NOTHING EVER IS GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN, BUT I MEAN, IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THINGS BECAUSE THE POTENTIAL OF SOMETHING MIGHT HAPPEN, THEN IT FEELS LIKE MAYBE NOTHING IS EVER GOING TO GET DONE.
SORRY TO CUT YOU OFF, BUT THE PLAY, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 2009 AND NOW IS THAT IN 2009, WHEN WE ALLOCATED $2 MILLION, THERE WAS NO 3% CAP AND WE WERE GOING TO DESIGNATE ONE MIL.
THAT WAS THE WHOLE DISCUSSION THAT WE WERE GETTING INTO TO DEDICATE ONE MILL TOWARDS ROAD MAINTENANCE. THAT WAS THE 2 MILLION WAS A START OFF.
THE FUTURE PLAN WAS TO COMMIT THAT ONE MILL BECAUSE AT THAT TIME WE WERE DOING REALLY WELL BECAUSE REMEMBER, THE SAME THING THAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IN PALM BAY HAPPENED BACK IN 2000, FOUR, 2000, FIVE, 2006, WHERE THE PRICE IS SKYROCKET.
NO. AND AGAIN, AND I APPRECIATE IT.
AND I'M ALWAYS A I JUST LOOK AT IT BECAUSE IT FEELS LIKE AT TIMES WE'RE EITHER ALL OR NOTHING. I GUESS THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, I STRUGGLED.
IT WAS EITHER 3% OR, YOU KNOW.
NONE. AND I'M LIKE, WHERE IS THE MIDDLE GROUND? AND EVEN IF IT'S AND I THINK WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION IS IF WE PUT A PERCENTAGE OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE THAT SAID, HEY, THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WE GUARANTEE IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR ROADS ARE MAINTAINED.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO'S ON COUNCIL, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THEM TRYING TO HOLD THEIR POSITION.
THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
HOWEVER, WE KNOW THE COST IS GOING TO GO UP, SO WE CAN'T REALLY KNOW FOR SURE IF THE PERCENTAGE IS RIGHT.
SO IS THERE A WAY OF SAYING THIS IS THE MINIMUM PERCENTAGE THAT WE PUT ASIDE AND THEN WE STILL GIVE THE COUNCIL POWER TO DETERMINE WHAT THE REST NEEDS TO HAPPEN? BECAUSE TO ME, THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S THE MIDDLE GROUND.
IT'S THE WE'RE STILL PROTECTING, YOU KNOW, THE CITIZENS AND THE ROADS WHILE ALSO LOOKING AT WHAT WE GIVE THE COUNCIL, THE ABILITY TO UNDERSTAND IF THEY NEED TO DO MORE, GREAT.
IT'S JUST GOING TO CARRY OVER INTO THE NEXT YEAR.
LET ME LET ME GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE HISTORY.
OKAY. IN REGARDS TO HOW CREATIVE WE WERE TRYING TO BECOME.
PEOPLE STARTED CROWDING UP THAT MICROPHONE RIGHT THERE.
WE THOUGHT OF THE PART OF TAKING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND CREATING A STREAM OF REVENUE FOR THEM ALONE. SO THEN ALL THAT FUNDING THAT WE DO FROM THE GENERAL FUND FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WILL COME BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND.
AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A FIRE FEE.
OH. WAS THAT A SIN? I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY IT WAS IT WASN'T FOR LACK OF TRYING.
THERE WAS A LOT OF CREATIVENESS I COULD TAKE.
HOW MUCH DOES IT TAKE TO FUND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FROM THE GENERAL FUND ITSELF? ABOUT 20 MILLION OR SO OR.
NO, THEY'RE AROUND FIVE, I THINK AT 5.5 MILLION.
SO AND THE WHOLE THING OF THE FIRE FEE WAS ALSO FOR THE PART OF BEING ABLE TO GET VEHICLES AND EVERYTHING, THAT FIRE FEE WOULD COMPLETELY COVER EVERYTHING.
AND WE HAVE RESIDENTS THAT SAID NO WAY, NO HOW, WE DON'T WANT THAT.
AND THEY STARTED. COMING TO MEETINGS.
THEY'RE NODDING THEIR HEADS BECAUSE WE WERE HERE FOR A WHILE.
IMAGINE IF WE COULD FREE UP THAT MONEY FROM THE GENERAL FUND.
THEN WE COULD ADDRESS THE ROAD.
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BUT THAT'S.SOMETHING SIMILAR TO YOUR SAYING THE ONE THE $0.01 TAX TO GAS.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD HAVE DONE INTERNALLY IN ORDER TO DEAL WITH THE ISSUE.
BUT THE RESIDENTS ALWAYS THINK THAT WE'RE UP TO SOMETHING, THAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ALL THAT MONEY AND THEN PUT IT IN OUR POCKETS.
AND THAT'S LIKE IMPOSSIBLE TO DO.
WHEN YOU WHEN YOU TRY TO DO SOMETHING FOR YOUR CONSTITUENTS, YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO EDUCATE THEM. BUT NOT EVERYBODY.
BUT AGAIN, JEFF, NOT EVERYBODY IS GOING TO BE ON BOARD BECAUSE EVEN YOUR CLOSEST FRIENDS, AS SOON AS YOU TELL THEM THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY A LITTLE BIT MORE, THEY BECOME YOUR WORST ENEMY. JUST BECAUSE YOU SAID THAT LITTLE DIRTY WORD CALL TAX, BECAUSE A FIRE FEE WAS A FIRE FEE IN ORDER TO CONTAIN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND EVERYTHING THAT COMES FROM HAVING A FIRE DEPARTMENT.
YEAH. YOU KNOW, I RECALL YOU MAKING SEVERAL PRESENTATIONS AT MCCUSKER AND.
SOME OF THE VITRIOL THAT WAS SHOUTED AT YOU WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT RAISING MONEY FROM THE CITIZENRY TO CLEAN UP AFTER HURRICANES.
I REMEMBER THAT. SO THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT THE CITY MUST DO THAT THE CITIZENS DON'T BELIEVE THEY SHOULD PAY FOR.
SO, YOU KNOW, TO BE AS A PERSON BORN SOMEWHERE ELSE.
I BECAME AN AMERICAN CITIZEN AFTER COLLEGE.
I BOUGHT INTO THIS DEMOCRACY IDEA.
PEOPLE INTERPRET DEMOCRACY AS I TAKE WHAT I COULD GET AND.
AND IT JUST ALWAYS STRIKES ME AS STRANGE WHEN SOMEBODY COMES TO COUNCIL AND COMPLAIN ABOUT ROADS BUT IS UNWILLING TO PAY TAXES TO FIX IT.
THAT'S. OKAY WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN TO RUBIO ALL NIGHT.
I'M GOING TO TURN HER OVER TO THERESE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING ELSE.
OH. BEFORE JORDAN WENT? NO, WHEN HE'S FINISHED.
YEAH, I GUESS THE ONLY QUESTION I WANTED TO ASK STAFF IS HAVE WE EVER REALLY DONE A BEST PRACTICES LOOKING ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND SEEING WHAT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES ARE DOING IN TERMS OF THEIR CREATIVITY, WHERE THEY'RE GETTING OTHER FUNDS FROM? AND THE SECOND THING IS THE IDEA OF DEDICATING THAT ONE MILL.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING HERE AS A PART OF THE CHARTER THAT SAYS FOR FOREST? I GUESS IT'S TOO LATE, BUT.
I'M LOOKING AT THE BUDGET AND I SEE IT'S ALL MASHED OUT AND YOU DON'T HAVE ANY MORE MONEY. BUT I AM ASSUMING WITH THE NEW GROWTH AND THAT'S IF WE COULD BECAUSE EVEN IF EVEN IF IT'S HALF SOME MONEY GOING TOWARD IT JUST FOR DEDICATING IT, THAT IS NOT A QUESTION AT ANY POINT. WE KNOW THAT THERE IS $1 MILLION ALWAYS GOING TO BE IN THE BUDGET.
I DON'T KNOW. YOU ANSWER? WAS THAT A STATEMENT OR A QUESTION? YES. SO CERTAINLY WE WOULD LOOK AT NOT NOT AS MUCH ACROSS THE COUNTRY BECAUSE WE'RE LIMITED IN FLORIDA BY WHAT WE CAN DO, BECAUSE THE STATE OF FLORIDA TELLS US WHAT WE CAN, HOW WE CAN FUND THINGS AND WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO.
SO JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING COULD BE DONE LIKE IN GEORGIA DOESN'T MEAN WE COULD DO IT HERE.
SO WE START THERE. CERTAINLY WE'VE LOOKED AT WHAT OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE, BUT WE CAN TAKE A FRESH LOOK. IT DOESN'T HURT TO LOOK AGAIN AND SEE WHAT OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE TO FUND ROAD MAINTENANCE. WHAT I'VE TYPICALLY SEEN IS MOST OF THEM HAVE IT BUILT INTO THEIR NORMAL GENERAL FUND BUDGETS.
THAT'S PRETTY COMMONPLACE AS A NORMAL THING THAT YOU FUND, JUST LIKE YOU FUND A POLICE DEPARTMENT OR A FIRE DEPARTMENT KIND OF THING.
SO FOR US, WE JUST HAVE GONE SO MANY YEARS WITHOUT HAVING THAT AS PART OF OUR BUDGET THAT IT'S CHALLENGING WITHOUT CUTTING EXISTING RESOURCES AND FUNDING.
IT'S CHALLENGING TO FIND A WAY TO GET THAT DONE TODAY QUICKLY.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE BUILDING UP TO IT INCREMENTALLY, RATHER THAN JUST CUT SOMETHING TODAY SO WE CAN PULL THE 3 MILLION ALL IN ONE FELL SWOOP.
BUT WE'RE GOING TO GET THERE. SO.
MR. MACLEOD TOLD ME I'D BETTER NOT TAKE ALL NIGHT.
BUT YOU ALL SPENT AN HOUR AND A HALF DISCUSSING THIS, SO I'M GOING TO TAKE AS MUCH TIME AS I NEED. NO, I'M JUST JOKING.
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I'M GOING TO KEEP IT RELATIVELY BRIEF.MR. MAYOR, ONCE A MAYOR, ALWAYS A MAYOR.
SUBMITTED AN ITEM TODAY TO MS..
IT'S SOMETHING THAT I'VE TALKED ABOUT THE LAST TWO OR THREE MEETINGS THAT WE HAD RELATIVE TO THE CHARTER CAP.
AND IT'S AN ITEM. THAT ITEM IS FOR RECONSIDERATION.
AND IT WAS TO RAISE THE CAP FROM 3% TO 6%.
AND I KNOW THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED IT EXTENSIVELY HERE TONIGHT.
AND I THINK YOU SAID SOMETHING PROFOUND, MAYOR.
NONE OF US HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL.
WE DON'T KNOW HOW PEOPLE ARE GOING TO VOTE.
BUT I DO HAVE A TELESCOPE AND I CAN SEE THAT THE GALAXY, WHICH IS 6%, IS A LOT MORE REACH THAN A GALAXY THAT CONTAINS ELIMINATING THE CAP ALTOGETHER.
AND WE KNOW THE HISTORICAL ASPECT OF IT, WHICH YOU'VE LAID OUT.
RIGHT. WAS PROBABLY ILLEGALLY INSTITUTED LONG AGO AND CURRENTLY EXISTS.
THERE IS A CAP, A MECHANISM IN PLACE BY THE STATE ALREADY, SO IT MAKES NO SENSE FOR US TO HOG TIE OURSELVES TO A 3% CAP OR CAP.
BUT ONCE AGAIN, I LOOK AT PALATABILITY.
AND I THINK GETTING THERE WITH 6% IS A LOT MORE FEASIBLE, A LOT MORE PALATABLE, AND A LOT MORE REALISTIC THAN JUST ELIMINATING THE CAP ALTOGETHER.
AND. I ALSO HAD ASKED IF IT IS THE WILL AND THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD TO RECONSIDER THE ITEM, WHICH I THINK MR. HARRIS, IF I'M CORRECT, WOULD BE ON THE NEXT AGENDA APRIL 26TH.
AND THEN I'LL ALSO ASK THE MADAM CITY ATTORNEY TO BRING BACK SOME NUMBERS RELATIVE TO THE STANTEC PRESENTATION THAT WAS DONE, WHICH WOULD EXCUSE ME.
I'M SORRY. CITY. CITY MANAGER.
I'M SORRY. IT'S BEEN AN THE ATTORNEY AND I BRING THE LAW.
IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY. MY APOLOGIES.
AND SO ASKED HER TO BRING BACK THOSE.
THOSE NUMBERS WHICH STANTEC PRESENTED TO SHOW US, YOU KNOW, AT 5% OR 6% OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, YOU KNOW, WHERE WILL WE BE IN TERMS OF THOSE RESERVES? SO AND THAT WAS IT.
THANK YOU. SO THAT MEANS THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK IN.
HOW DOES THE COMMISSION FEEL? QUICKLY. WE WE HAVE ACCESS TO.
TO BRING THEM BACK OR DO WE JUST HAVE THE PRESENTATION IN ITSELF THAT HAD THEM THE INFORMATION WE'VE ALREADY CONFIRMED THEIR AVAILABILITY TO COME BACK AND PROVIDE AND MEET WITH YOU VIRTUALLY AND PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION IF YOU SO CHOOSE.
YEAH. I MEAN, I, I AGREE THAT THE I AGAIN, I SAID EARLIER, I'M KIND OF LIKE, WHAT'S THE MIDDLE GROUND HERE? AND SOMETIMES WHEN YOU GO FROM ALL OR NOTHING.
UM, EVEN JUST FROM A, I GUESS, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, A SELLING POINT OF IF THERE IS A. AYE AYE, AYE, AYE.
BELIEF THAT YOU CAN'T TRUST INDIVIDUALS BY GOING TO ZERO.
I THINK THAT IT'S MORE PALATABLE TO SAY, BUT I THINK THEY'VE EARNED BY SHOWCASING WHAT THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO, AT LEAST AN INCREASE TO SIX.
AND I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS MORE REASONABLE TO ANYWAY.
YEAH. SO THAT'S THE LOGIC BEHIND IT.
YEAH. SO I MEAN I WELCOME IT COMING BACK IN FOR THE NEXT.
YEAH. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
WHAT ABOUT BACK DOES IT WE HAVE TO VOTE RIGHT NOW TO BRING IT BACK TO DISCUSSION.
REMEMBER, WE COULD STILL BE IN DISCUSSION AND LOOK AT THE TIME BEFORE DISCUSSION IS YOUR EMOTION. SOMEBODY NEEDS A SECOND.
YOUR BABY. SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO BRING BACK THE ITEM, WHICH IS 6.01 TAXES DEALING WITH THE CHARTER CAP.
SECOND, MR. JONES. ANY DISCUSSION? YES. MM HMM.
I WOULD LIKE FOR THE CITY MANAGER.
HOW WOULD THAT MAKE YOUR BUDGETING EASIER AND HOW WOULD IT AFFECT THE APPORTIONMENT OF FUNDS JUST SO THAT WE DON'T GO INTO THIS BLINDLY?
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YOU KNOW, WE'RE SAYING.WE WANT TO SEE MORE FLEXIBILITY, BUT.
WHAT IS MORE FLEXIBILITY? THERE HAS TO BE A BACK STORY THAT EXPLAINS WHY THE INCREASE IS NECESSARY IN REAL TERMS. YOU KNOW, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO A, B, C, D IF WE HAD THE FLEXIBILITY OF 6%.
THAT WAY, PEOPLE WERE ENLISTED OUT.
THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE WATCHING US.
KNOW THAT WE'RE TAKING THIS THING SERIOUS.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T GIVE UP MY RETIREMENT HOURS NOT TO BE SERIOUS.
SO, YOU KNOW, INSOFAR AS WE'RE ALL TRYING TO MAKE OUR CITY BETTER, I THINK THAT KIND OF INFORMATION, ALONG WITH THE NUMBERS FROM THE PRESENTATION THAT THEY GAVE.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S MY EYES, BUT I COULDN'T SEE THE NUMBER.
SO. SO I WONDERED IF WE CAN EITHER MOVE THE SCREENS CLOSER SO WE CAN SEE WHAT'S ACTUALLY ON THE BOARD. BECAUSE I'M A VISUAL PERSON AND I ALWAYS HEAR EVERYTHING WHAT SOMEBODY SAYS. BUT IF I SEE AND LISTEN, I'M BETTER INFORMED.
ARE THEY AVAILABLE TO COME IN PERSON OR THERE HAS TO BE VIRTUAL? I'M I'M NOT CERTAIN I CAN FIND OUT, BUT WE CAN ALSO HAVE HANDOUTS LIKE HARD COPIES OF SOME OF THE SCENARIOS TO.
YES. JUST BRIEFLY, MR. CHAIR, I WANT TO I WANT TO SHARE MY GRATITUDE TO MR. CHANDLER FOR BRINGING THIS MOTION FORTH.
AND I WILL VOTE IN FAVOR OF IT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE.
AND EVERYONE ON THE BOARD KNOWS WHERE I STAND WITH THE CAP AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
BUT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE THAT THE REASON FOR THE MOTION IS, HEY, WE HAVE LOOKED AT IT IN ALL OR NOTHING.
NOW LET'S LOOK AT SOMETHING SPECIFIC AND TO MR. MCLEOD'S REQUEST FOR KIND OF DIRECTION OF THE PRESENTATION.
I JUST KIND OF WANT TO REEMPHASIZE THAT I WANT TO HAVE A VERY HEALTHY DISCUSSION WITH THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO I QUITE ENJOY HAVING DIALOG AND HEALTHY DEBATE WITH CENTERED AROUND SOMETHING SPECIFIC BECAUSE AS A CITIZEN, AND I'M NOT AFRAID TO SAY THIS, WHAT I LOVE ABOUT NOT BEING ON THE DAIS, MR. CHAIR, AND I DON'T CARE TO BE ON THE DAIS, I'LL SHARE WITH YOU AS A BOARD AND WITH THE CITIZEN ON THE STREET HOW I FEEL.
WHERE RANDALL OLSZEWSKI IS COMING FROM AND WHERE I'M COMING FROM IS I DO HAVE FEAR AND APPREHENSION OF THE CAP LIFTING BECAUSE EVERY FINANCIAL DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE ALL IN.
AND FULL DISCLOSURE, FOLKS, I'M THE VICE CHAIR OF THE CITIZENS BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD, AND I DON'T SPEAK REPRESENTING THAT BOARD.
I SPEAK AS MYSELF, BUT I'M INTIMATE INTO THIS INFORMATION.
AND WHEN I LOOK AT IT AND ALL OF THE DIRECTION THAT COMES AND I'M GOING TO MENTION TO YOU, MS.. SHERMAN, THAT FROM STANTEC SPECIFICALLY, THE WAY THAT THE PRESENTATION STYLE IS, IS, HEY, THIS IS YOUR CAP SUCKS, IT'S HOLDING YOU BACK, AND IF YOU BROKE IT, THE WORLD OF POSSIBILITIES.
BUT MR. MACLEOD'S VERY SPECIFIC FEEDBACK HERE IS I NEED THIS HERE.
IF WE COME TO 6%, THEN WE'LL HAVE THIS MANY DOLLARS.
AND THEN MS.. SHERMAN CAN DO WHAT SHE DOES BEST AND ALLOCATE THOSE DOLLARS IN AN IMAGINARY SENSE AND SAY, AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS BECAUSE THEN I'LL STRAP UP MY SNEAKERS, I'LL GET OUT ON THESE STREETS AND I'LL BE PART OF THAT EDUCATION TEAM THAT I CONTINUE TO BE IN THE CITIZENS.
AND I'LL SAY, LISTEN, IT SEEMS OFF PUTTING, IT SEEMS IT'S TWICE AS MUCH, BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET THIS. I WOULD NEVER, EVER BE ABLE TO ADVOCATE FOR BLOWING THE CAP OFF AND JUST SAYING WHATEVER.
BECAUSE I KNOW I DON'T THINK I KNOW, SIR, THAT THE FLOODGATES WILL OPEN AND THE MILITARY THE FIRST YEAR WITHOUT A CAP WILL GO UP AND THE TAXES WILL BE EXTREME, EVEN FOR THOSE FOLKS THAT HAVE 50,000 HOMESTEAD EXEMPTIONS AND SO ON.
SO LET US HAVE THIS CONVERSATION IN A CONTROLLED WAY.
I LOOK FORWARD TO IT. THANK YOU, MR. CHANDLER, FOR BRINGING IT. AND I WILL BE VOTING IN FAVOR.
YES, YES. SINCE I BROUGHT THE MOTION LAST TIME FOR THE AMENDMENT OF THE CHARTER CAP, I WOULD LIKE A COUPLE OF WORDS ON IT.
SO FIRST, WE TALKED ABOUT BEST PRACTICES TONIGHT, ABOUT LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN MANAGE THE 1% OR INCREASING THE MILITARY.
BUT IF YOU LOOKED AT THE 3% CAP IN TOTALITY AND BEST PRACTICES, THERE'S NO OTHER MUNICIPALITY THAT HAS A 3% CAP IN PLACE.
SO WE ALREADY KNOW THAT IT IS NOT A GOOD PRACTICE TO HAVE THAT 3% CAP IN PLACE.
THAT'S WHY I PUT THE AMENDMENT IN TO COMPLETELY GET RID OF IT, BECAUSE THERE'S THERE'S NOBODY ELSE WHO'S DOING THAT.
SO THERE'S NO REASON TO EVEN SAY THAT WE SHOULD HAVE SIX IF WE ALREADY KNOW THAT THREE WAS NEVER EVEN SUPPOSED TO BE THERE.
IT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN A GOOD IDEA IN THE FIRST PLACE.
SO I WOULD I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD TRY TO CONVINCE PEOPLE THAT WE HAD A BAD IDEA.
BUT WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO JUST CHANGE THE BAD IDEA AND KEEP A BAD IDEA IN PLACE.
AND THE SECOND THING TO MR. OLSZEWSKI, YOU DON'T KNOW THAT JUST BECAUSE WE REMOVE THE CAP, THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN YOUR TAXES ARE GOING TO GO UP AUTOMATICALLY.
YOU DON'T KNOW THAT. YOU CAN YOU CAN DERIVE THAT BY NOT HAVING CONFIDENCE IN YOUR CITY COUNCIL. AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT YOUR CITY COUNCIL IS GOING TO DO WHAT'S
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BEST FOR YOU AS THE TAXPAYERS WITH THE BUDGET THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BEGIN, WHICH WE WERE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT, TOO.SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO PUT IN CHARTER, HOW THE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD BE DICTATED ON HOW TO USE THE BUDGET, THAT'S I WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN IN FAVOR OF THAT IF THAT WAS THE DISCUSSION, BECAUSE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE IN CHARGE OF HOW THE ROAD MAINTENANCE IS SUPPOSED TO BE PAID FOR THROUGH THE BUDGET.
AND IF THEY CAN'T GET THAT DONE, THAT THEY LOOK AT THE PRIORITIES ON WHAT THEY NEED TO MANAGE YEAR BY YEAR, TRY TO LOOK AT THE FUTURE AND TRY TO PLAN FOR THAT.
BUT THINGS CHANGE ACCORDING TO THE PLAN.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO GIVE THEM THE FLEXIBILITY TO SAY IF THEY NEED TO RAISE.
AND REMEMBER, THE CAP IS NOT ACTUALLY INCREASING.
IT'S ACTUALLY SAYING THAT YOU CAN'T EVEN MANAGE TO MAKE THE MONEY THAT YOU HAD IN PLACE.
YOU HAVE TO REDUCE IT YEAR BY YEAR.
SO YOU'VE BEEN SAYING, OH, WE'RE ONLY GOING TO SAY THAT, YES, IT'S GOOD, BUT YOU CAN ONLY REDUCE IT TO 6%.
I DON'T SEE THAT AS A VIABLE BEST PRACTICES OPTION FOR THIS CITY OR ANY OTHER CITY OR ELSE YOU'D SEE IT IN PLACE AT OTHER PLACES AS WELL.
SO I WOULD BE A NO IF WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT TO BRING IT BACK UP.
SO I'LL JUST I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
I MEAN, JUST BECAUSE WE'RE BRINGING IT BACK UP DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE GOING IN THE DIRECTION OF 6%.
WE'RE JUST GIVING THE COURTESY OF A PERSON THAT WANTS TO PUT AN ARGUMENT ON THE TABLE.
PEARL. SO WE HAVE WE HAVE TIME TO TO LOOK AT IT AND DECIDE WHAT WE HAVE TO DECIDE.
IT'S JUST AN IDEA THAT WAS PUT ON THE TABLE, THAT'S ALL.
WE YOU KNOW, I'VE ALWAYS TEASED HIM, THAT'S WHAT WE CALL BEING IN THE BRITISH SYSTEM, THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE LISTEN TO WHAT? JORDAN SAID.
MR. BUTTON MADE THE POINT THAT PEOPLE ARE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GOING TO GET PASSED ACROSS BECAUSE PEOPLE MAY NOT VOTE FOR GETTING RID OF IT ALTOGETHER.
SO IT BEHOOVES US TO CONSIDER ALTERNATIVES BECAUSE WE MAY FIND OUT.
AFTER WE REVIEWED THE 6% THAT THEY STILL BE AN INSURANCE AND AND AT THAT POINT IN TIME WE WOULD BE THE POSITION TO RECOMMEND EITHER GET RID OF IT OR INCREASE IT.
SO THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S GOOD TO BRING IT BACK AND WE GET MORE INFORMATION.
OKAY. WITH THAT, WE'RE GOING TO BRING IT BACK.
I'M GOING TO CALL IT ALL IN FAVOR TO BRING IT BACK.
SO THE NEXT WHAT'S OUR NEXT MEETING? NEXT MEETING WILL BE APRIL 26, 26 AT THAT.
OKAY. FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, YOU HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE.
THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT, FIRST OF ALL.
FOR THOSE THAT WERE LATE, YOU NEED TO STAY ANOTHER HALF HOUR.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.