Apr 13, 2022 Citizens' Budget Advisory Board

[CALL TO ORDER]

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ALL RIGHT FOR YOU.

ALL RIGHT. OFFICIAL CLOCK IS 6:31, SO I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THIS MEETING 2022-04 OF THE CITIZENS BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD.

WE COULD HAVE A ROLL CALL, MR. WOJCIECHOWSKI. YES, SIR.

CHRIS SIEBERT. RANDALL OLSZEWSKI PRESIDENT.

MAY BEAUCHAMP. PRESIDENT ALBERTA CLINKSCALES PRESIDENT SUSAN CONLEY HERE.

NATHAN WHITE. OR WE HAVE A QUORUM.

THANK YOU, SIR. AND DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? AND AS A NOTE, WHERE WE JUMP INTO OLD AND UNFINISHED BUSINESS LIKE WELCOME MR. WHITE, OUR NEW SEAT FIVE APPOINTEE.

MR. WHITE, IF YOU JUST WANT TO SAY HELLO TO THE BOARD, LET THEM KNOW WHO YOU ARE.

HELLO, BOARD. MY NAME IS NATHAN WHITE.

BORN AND RAISED PALM BAY PLAN TO STAY HERE A LONG TIME.

MY WIFE BOUGHT A HOUSE OFF OF MALABAR RIGHT BY THE PORT MALABAR GUN CLUB, ACTUALLY.

SO YOU COULD SAY I'M VERY INVESTED IN PALM BAY AND I'M EXCITED TO BE HERE AND LEND A PERSPECTIVE. AND WELCOME, MR. WHITE. SO WE'LL GET INTO OLD, UNFINISHED BUSINESS.

[1. Budget reserves approved on department requests.]

AND I'LL DEFER TO MR. WOJCIECHOWSKI TO KEEP US UP.

SIR. YOU HAD ASKED AT THE LAST MEETING FOR ME TO SEND TO THE BOARD THE LIST OF EVERYTHING THAT WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL.

THERE WERE TWO MEETINGS THAT THESE APPROVALS ACTUALLY TOOK PLACE.

THERE WAS ONE IN DECEMBER AND ONE IN THE FIRST PART OF JANUARY.

AND I HAD COMBINED THE TWO MEETINGS TOGETHER ON THIS EXCEL SPREADSHEET AND SEND IT TO YOU. AND I HAD ALSO AT THE LAST MEETING, YOU REQUESTED FOR ME TO SEND YOU TO THE STANTEC SUSTAINABILITY STUDY THAT WAS GIVEN TO THE.

I JUST LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT.

THE HELP ME REVIEW COMMISSION.

THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SO I SENT THIS TO YOU FOR YOUR REVIEW SO YOU COULD DISCUSS IT AT THIS MEETING HERE TONIGHT. I OH, WONDERFUL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT, SIR.

AND, YOU KNOW, BOARD MEMBERS, JUST TO RECAP, WE TALKED LAST TIME ABOUT JUST KIND OF DIVING INTO THE WORK AHEAD OF THIS FISCAL YEAR BUDGETING PROCESS.

AND ONE WILL GET INTO THE NEW BUSINESS OF LOOKING AT THE PRESENTATIONS AND SEEING WHAT THE DEPARTMENTS ARE LOOKING FOR.

BUT WHAT I WANTED TO DO WAS MAKE SURE THAT JUMPING INTO THE PROCESS BEFORE WE KIND OF SIFTED THROUGH THE REQUESTS AND EVERYTHING THAT WE JUST GET FRAMED UP, YOU KNOW, THE SUCCESSES AND MILESTONES WE WERE ABLE TO REACH AS FAR AS CAPITAL INVESTMENT WENT WITH SOME AS IT WAS UNALLOCATED GENERAL FUND BALANCE THAT THEN GOT ALLOCATED.

SO AS YOU SEE ON THE REVERSE SIDE OF THE PAGE THERE, IT TOTALED OUT TO $5.4 MILLION OF WHAT WE'LL SUMMARIZE AS CAPITAL INVESTMENT A LITTLE BIT.

THIS, I THINK DOES COVER PERSONNEL AND THINGS OF THE SORT.

BUT OVERALL, WE WERE ABLE TO MAKE HEADWAY WITH THINGS THAT WERE OVERDUE TO THIS ITEMIZED LIST, 5.4 MILLION.

SO WE KNOW THAT.

SO REALLY AT THIS POINT, JUST WANT TO KIND OF GIVE IT TO YOU AS A BOARD TO HAVE AN OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT, ANYTHING THAT STUCK OUT TO YOU.

TURN. TURN IT TO THE BOARD.

I'D LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THIS CHART, MOSTLY BECAUSE IT REALLY PULLS IT TOGETHER IN A WAY THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE AND.

JUST. CLARIFYING POINT BEFORE SOMETHING ELSE I NOTICED THAT THE JUST TO CLARIFY THE COUNCIL CHAIR REPLACEMENTS THAT REFERS TO THE.

AUDITORIUM ATTENDANCE.

I THOUGHT SO. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT ONE OF THE THINGS I KNOW.

RIGHT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STOOD OUT TO ME FOR A.

WHAT I UNDERSTOOD TO BE ESSENTIALLY A ONE TIME EXPENDITURE LIST OF EXPENDITURES BASED ON EXTRA FUNDS WE'LL CALL THEM, IS THE NUMBER OF LINE ITEMS THAT WERE POSITIONS.

NOW, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF POSSIBLY A COUPLE OF THEM, LIKE CONSULTANTS OR PLANNING SUPPORT WHERE THAT MAY BE, I WOULD IMAGINE MUCH MORE TEMPORARY ON A NEED ON A NEED BASIS KIND OF A THING. WHAT IS THE THOUGHT BEHIND? IF YOU CAN SHED SOME LIGHT ON, WHAT'S THE THOUGHT ON USING A ONE TIME EXPENDITURE OF EXCESS FUNDS OR POSITIONS THAT.

WILL REMAIN. AFTER THE FACT.

WELL, I'LL TAKE THAT, IF I MAY.

THANK YOU. AND ALSO, I DIDN'T OFFICIALLY INTRODUCE MYSELF FOR THE RECORD.

I SUPPOSE SO. SUZANNE SHERMAN, CITY MANAGER HERE TO CARRY ON WITH YOU ALL FOR THE NEXT

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SO HAPPY TO BE BACK WITH YOU ALL.

SO YES. SO THERE WERE A NUMBER OF POSITIONS THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING WITH COUNCIL, INCLUDING POSITIONS THAT DID NOT ULTIMATELY MAKE THE FUNDING CUT LIST FOR THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR. AND SO ONE OF THE STRATEGIES WE USE FROM TIME TO TIME IS A MID-YEAR FUNDING OF POSITIONS THAT WE NEED BECAUSE IT OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT FUNDING IT FOR THE FULL YEAR.

SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE AFFORDABLE.

BUT KNOWING ALSO THAT WHEN WE DO THAT, WE'RE ALSO COMMITTING FOR THE FUTURE BUDGET YEARS TO HAVE TO FUND THOSE POSITIONS TO CARRY TO CARRY THEM ON.

SO THAT'S WHY I THINK WHEN WE GOT DONE WITH THE TWO MEETINGS, WE HAD THE MEETING IN DECEMBER AND THE ONE IN JANUARY, ULTIMATELY THE I WAS A LITTLE OVER, I THINK 5% THAT WE WE COUNCIL APPROVED ALLOCATING FOUR PERSONNEL.

SO THOSE WERE POSITIONS THAT WE JUST FELT AT A AT A DEPARTMENT, A STAFF LEVEL WERE IMPORTANT. AND WE MADE THOSE REQUESTS TO COUNCIL.

AND OBVIOUSLY YOU SEE THE RESULTS OF THAT.

BUT AS YOU ALSO KNOW, THE MAIN PRIORITY WAS DEALING WITH A LOT OF THE OUTSTANDING CAPITAL NEEDS. SO.

HE DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY TO PAY THESE POSITIONS OR THIS ALLOCATION.

WE COULD HAVE BROUGHT THOSE ITEMS AS INDIVIDUAL AGENDA ITEMS TO YOUR POINT.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED AT THE BEGINNING, MIDWAY, REALLY THE FIRST MONTH OR TWO OF OUR NEW FISCAL YEAR, IS WE HAD UPDATES TO OUR STATE SHARED REVENUE.

I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT OFFICIAL MEETING WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, BUT WE CAN PULL THAT RECORD FOR YOU. SO WE HAD ADDITIONAL REVENUE THAT WAS ACTUALLY NOT EVEN ALLOCATED ANYWAY.

SO WE COULD HAVE BROUGHT THOSE AS FUNDING ITEMS REGARDLESS.

BUT LIKE I SAID, WE DECIDED TO GO AHEAD AND DO THOSE NOW VERSUS WAITING FOR THE NEW FISCAL YEAR TO PRIORITIZE THOSE.

SO THOSE ARE NOW WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THEM LIKE THE ASSET MANAGER.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT AT THIS MEETING, BUT IF YOU'VE BEEN TO COUNCIL, YOU'VE HEARD SOME OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS ONCE OR TWICE.

SO THAT'S A PRETTY CRITICAL POSITION FOR US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T JUST HAVE INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENT STAFF HANDLING OUR ASSETS, BUT WE HAVE A CENTRALIZED PERSON OUT OF FINANCE WHO'S KEY, INSTRUMENTAL AND KIND OF MANAGING THAT PROCESS AND ULTIMATELY BRINGING MORE CONSISTENCY TO OUR PROCESS ACROSS THE BOARD BEYOND WHAT WE ALREADY DO FOR THE AUDITORS. SIR.

HEY, IN FACT, WHEN WE WERE HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH THIS BOARD BACK IN JULY, WE WERE ANTICIPATING ONLY LIKE $145,000 OF EXCESS DOLLARS.

AND THEN WE RECEIVED LATE INFORMATION FROM THE STATE ABOUT ALL THIS EXCESS EXCESS MONEY, THE SHARED MONEY THAT WAS GOING TO GO OVER AND ABOVE WHAT WE WERE ANTICIPATING.

SO WE DIDN'T BUILD IT INTO THE BUDGET UNTIL LATE, INTO THE LATE, INTO THE NEW YEAR.

AND THAT'S THE MONEY THAT SHERMAN IS TALKING ABOUT.

AND IT'S REOCCURRING.

THANKS. COLORS. YOU USE IT OR LOSE IT.

DOLLARS. TYPO DOLLARS.

SO IF YOU DON'T USE IT, IT'S NOT USE IT OR LOSE IT.

IT'S JUST WE DEDICATED IT TO THE POSITIONS BECAUSE IT WAS KNOWN THAT WE NEEDED THESE POSITIONS. SO WE JUST ALLOCATED IT TO THOSE, AS YOU MENTIONED, ABOUT RECEIVING NOTICE THAT YOU WERE GOING TO GET ALL THESE EXCESS FUNDS LATER.

I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHERE DID THAT COME FROM? SO THOSE WERE SO STATE SHARED REVENUES.

THAT'S ONE OF OUR GENERAL IN GENERAL FUND.

THE PRIMARY REVENUE SOURCE OBVIOUSLY IS AD VALOREM PROPERTY TAXES.

ONE OF THE OTHER LARGER GROUPS OF REVENUES THAT COMES IN IS FROM THE STATE, THINGS LIKE GAS TAX AND SOME OTHER THINGS.

BECAUSE OF COVID AND JUST HOW THEY WERE DOING ALL THEIR BUDGETS.

THERE WERE DELAYS IN US GETTING UPDATED PROJECTIONS.

ACTUALLY, WE WENT THROUGH A COUPLE OF ROUNDS IN THE PAST TWO YEARS WHERE THEY GAVE US ONE NUMBER, THEN THEY TOOK IT BACK AND GAVE US A DIFFERENT NUMBER.

THE END RESULT WAS WE HAD, YOU KNOW, I FORGET THE NUMBER WAS WAS IT? LITTLE ADDITIONAL THAT THEY GAVE US.

DO YOU REMEMBER THAT OFFHAND? YEAH. IT WAS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CHUNK.

I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT. BUT ANYWAY, THE POINT IS WE DIDN'T FIND OUT ABOUT THAT UNTIL WE HAD ALREADY APPROVED THE BUDGET AT THAT POINT.

I BELIEVE SO IT WAS IT WAS SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER, MAYBE SOMETIME THEREABOUTS.

WAIT UNTIL WE GOT INTO THE NEW YEAR TO ACTUALLY RECOGNIZE THE NEW FUNDS.

SO I GUESS THE OTHER CLARIFICATION TO YOUR QUESTION IS THOSE ARE REOCCURRING REVENUES.

THEY CAN FLUCTUATE YEAR TO YEAR, BUT THEY'RE REOCCURRING REVENUES THAT COME FROM THE STATE. WE DON'T ASSIGN AN EXPENSE TO THAT REVENUE.

THEN IT JUST THOSE WOULD BE FUNDS THAT WOULD JUST DROP BACK DOWN TO FUND BALANCE IN GENERAL FUND. I WAS JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE HASTE WAS BECAUSE WE WENT FROM 145,000 TO THIS.

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IF I COULD ADD TO THAT.

WE'VE ONE OF THE PRIORITIES FROM COUNCIL AND STAFF LEVEL HAS BEEN TO REALLY START TO WORK ON IMPROVING OUR FUNDING OF MEETING OUR CAPITAL NEEDS.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT LAST MEETING, SO I APOLOGIZE, BUT.

WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO PRIORITIZE MAKING APPROPRIATE MOVES IN DEALING WITH OUR OUTSTANDING ISSUES BECAUSE OF THE VARIETY OF REASONS THAT ARE OBVIOUS TO EVERYONE, RIGHT? I MEAN, IF YOU FIRETRUCKS KEEP BREAKING DOWN, YOU'RE SENDING THEM OUT OF TOWN, THEN YOU'RE RELYING ON OTHER CITIES, POLICE CARS, ETC., ALL OF THAT.

BUT OUR GOAL AND I'LL JUST SAY THIS BECAUSE YOU'LL HEAR ME SAY IT AGAIN AND AGAIN, WE'RE REALLY THREE GOALS THAT I HAVE AT A STAFF LEVEL RIGHT NOW FOR THIS UPCOMING BUDGET YEAR.

THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE GOING TO HELP US WITH.

WHAT THE PRIORITIES ARE YOU WOULD RECOMMEND TO COUNCIL.

COUNCIL ULTIMATELY TELLS US ALL WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THAT.

BUT THREE GOALS FOR ME ARE TO ADDRESS INCREASING ROAD MAINTENANCE FUNDING, TO START MAKING SOME MOVES TO DEAL WITH THE RESULTS OF THE SALARY STUDY THAT WE'RE DOING, WHICH ACTUALLY TIES DIRECTLY TO TWO UNION CONTRACTS.

WE'RE ACTIVELY NEGOTIATING WHITE AND BLUE.

AND THE THIRD THE THIRD PILLAR OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, IS GOING TO BE INVESTING MORE IN CAPITAL, BECAUSE WE REALLY HAVEN'T DONE A GOOD JOB IN RECENT YEARS PROPERLY FUNDING EITHER ROAD MAINTENANCE OR MEETING THE CAPITAL NEEDS.

AND I DON'T WANT TO OBVIOUSLY BUY EVERY REPLACEMENT FIRE TRUCK AND POLICE POLICE CAR IN THE SAME YEAR BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

BUT WE WE KNOW WE NEED A PLAN BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD ONE IN RECENT YEARS.

SO. MISS CLINKSCALES, PLEASE.

IS THAT A NEW POSITION? THE COMMUNITY INFO COORDINATOR.

AT THE SALARY.

THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING. IS THAT A NEW POSITION IN THE CITY? NO, THAT'S AN EXISTING POSITION.

THAT WAS A SALARY INCREASE FOR A POSITION THAT WAS BEING PAID WELL BELOW THE MARKET RATE FOR IT. WHAT IS THAT PERSON DO? SO YOU'RE YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH WHAT? WE HAVE A PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER, FIRST OF ALL, AND THIS COMMUNITY INFORMATION COORDINATOR IS THAT PERSON'S COHORT, KIND OF LIKE THE STAFF MEMBER.

AND THE TWO OF THEM ARE IN CHARGE OF ALL OF OUR OUTWARD FACING COMMUNICATIONS.

SO EVERY PRESS RELEASE, EVERY INTERACTION WITH THE MEDIA, EVERY FACEBOOK POST, INSTAGRAM POST UPDATES, THE WEBSITE, ALL OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, THEY'RE ALSO INVOLVED IN OUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.

SO WHENEVER WE ACTIVATE FOR A.

SHE'LL STORM THEIR PART OF THAT THAT TEAM TO THANK YOU.

BUT SHERMAN, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THE LINE ITEM UNDER THE COMMUNITY INFO COORDINATOR, IT READS P O.

I. SALARY ADJUSTMENT IS IT MEANT TO READ P O.

SALARY ADJUSTMENT INDICATING THAT THAT OFFICER YOU JUST MENTIONED GOT A SALARY BUMP AS WELL. OKAY.

THAT SOUNDS RIGHT. I'M TRYING TO.

I DON'T HAVE THE LIST IN FRONT OF ME THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.

PLEASE. SO.

SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, BOTH OF THOSE POSITIONS YOU REFERRED TO IN THE STRUCTURE YOU DESCRIBED, WE HAVE SALARY INCREASES IN HERE.

YES, SIR. AND NOW THESE WILL OF.

THE AIR STUDY IS MIDWAY.

SO WHEN THESE POSITIONS ARE ASSESSED, THEY'LL KNOW THAT THAT'S THEIR CURRENT SALARY BECAUSE IT'S BEEN ALLOCATED.

THEY ARE GETTING PAID THIS TODAY DURING THE STUDY, CORRECT? YES. AND THE SAME GOES WITH OTHER POSITIONS.

POLICE AND FIRE ARE A GOOD EXAMPLE.

I DON'T MEAN TO BELABOR THE MEETING, SO I'M SORRY.

IF YOU GUYS THINK I'M GIVING TOO MUCH TO YOU, LET ME KNOW.

BUT POLICE AND FIRE CONTRACTS WE NEGOTIATED LAST YEAR, WE KNEW WE NEEDED TO DO A SALARY STUDY. WHAT WE HAD AVAILABLE TO US AT THE TIME WAS LOOK AT SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES, SEE WHAT THEY'RE PAYING TO FIND OUT WHERE ALL THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE LEFT US, WHERE THEY'RE GOING AND WHY. AND WHEN IT CAME DOWN TO THE MONEY, THAT'S WHAT KIND OF REALLY FACTORED INTO SOME OF OUR DECISIONS AND WHAT WE WOULD PAY THEM.

SO THE EXPECTATION FOR THAT AND FOR SEVERAL OTHER CATEGORIES OF POSITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN HARD TO FILL BUILDING INSPECTORS IS PROBABLY ANOTHER GOOD EXAMPLE.

WE'VE ALREADY MADE SALARY ADJUSTMENTS IN PRIOR FISCAL YEARS TO BE MORE COMPETITIVE.

ALL THE BUILDING IN THE CITY, WE NEEDED TO BE ABLE TO MEET THOSE DEMANDS.

SO SOME POSITIONS HAVE ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED.

SO I DON'T EXPECT THE SALARY STUDY TO TELL US ANYTHING NEW OR SURPRISING.

SO NOW WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE MOVES ON OTHER POSITIONS.

I'LL GIVE YOU ONE EXAMPLE.

FLEET DEPARTMENT. WE HAVE DIFFERENT TYPES OF MECHANICS, RIGHT? LIKE HEAVY EQUIPMENT, LIGHT LIGHT EQUIPMENT, LIGHT EQUIPMENT TECHNICIANS.

WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE GROSSLY UNDERPAID.

THERE'S JUST NO QUESTION IN OUR MINDS WE COULD HAVE ALREADY MADE THAT MOVE.

BUT THEY'RE PART OF THE BIG BLUE CONTRACT.

WE KIND OF HELD ON THAT.

PLUS, WE KNOW WE'RE DOING THE SALARY STUDY, WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO BE DUE.

ACTUALLY, TECHNICALLY, THIS THIS WEEK IS WHEN I WAS PROMISED.

SO I'M WAITING, BUT IT SHOULD BE THIS THIS MONTH.

WE SHOULD HAVE THAT INFO AND WE CAN START DIGESTING IT AND WORKING THROUGH IT.

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BUT YEAH, NO GOOD QUESTION.

IT REALLY DEPENDS ON HOW GOOD A JOB THEY DO WITH THE REPORT, BECAUSE I'VE I'VE NEVER WORKED WITH THIS CONSULTANT, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE QUALITY OF WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE US IS. ONCE WE SEE IF IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN JUST GO PLUG AND PLAY, THEN WE'LL KNOW HOW QUICKLY WE CAN.

OR IF I HAVE TO GO BACK TO THEM AND SAY WE NEEDED THESE TYPES OF REPORTS TO UNDERSTAND THE DATA, I DON'T KNOW.

SUFFICE TO SAY THAT WE'LL TRY TO DO THAT SO THAT IN THE BUDGET PLANNING, WE TRY TO MAKE THE THE ADJUSTMENTS WE NEED TO MAKE.

YES, SIR. THAT'S DEFINITELY PART OF THE PLAN.

IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO HAVE A PLAN, RIGHT? GOOD. GOOD. ONE THING I WANTED TO ADD IS I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY FOR JUST ONE MORE SAKE THAT THIS TOTAL OF 5.4 MILLION WAS DRAWN DOWN FROM UNALLOCATED GENERAL FUND BALANCE.

SO EVERY YEAR THERE'S A BUDGET, MONEY COMES IN WHEN HE GOES OUT.

WE'VE BEEN FORTUNATE ENOUGH THAT LESS MONEY HAS GONE OUT THAN HAS COME IN OVER THE RECENT YEARS, SO TO SPEAK.

SO THERE HAS BEEN A NET RESULT OF A SURPLUS OF A BUDGET AND THAT NUMBER HAS FLOATED UP.

AND THAT'S ONE THAT AS A CITIZEN, A MEMBER OF THIS BOARD AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN I'VE BEEN VERY VOCAL ABOUT IS THAT THAT NUMBER FLOATED UP.

AND THEN OF COURSE, AS WE'VE MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR, WE DREW DOWN FROM THAT NUMBER. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE TO KIND OF REEMPHASIZE THAT TO JUST PUT A BOW ON EVERYTHING WE TALKED ABOUT AS FAR AS WHEN OTHER MONEY CAME IN, JUST AS THE EXAMPLE OF THE EXCESS STATE SHARED REVENUE, IT WAS GOING INTO THE GENERAL POT MECHANICALLY.

THEY WOULD HAVE DRAWN DOWN MONEY OUT OF THAT POT THROUGH A DIFFERENT MECHANISM, BUT THEY WERE ALREADY DOING THIS.

BUT NET RESULT.

SAME. IT'S IT'S A NET RESULT OF THE SAME.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I THINK DISORDER OF BUSINESS IS COVERED UNLESS ANYONE ELSE HAD ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, DIALOG OR ANYTHING IN BETWEEN.

I SEE A HAND FOR MISS CONNOLLY, SO PLEASE, A COUPLE OF THINGS.

ONE, CAN YOU GIVE ME THE DATE PERIOD FOR THIS? DECEMBER 16TH WAS THE FIRST MEETING.

JANUARY. WHAT'S THE PERIOD OF TIME THAT THE.

WE'RE ALL DONE. THESE HAVE BEEN COMPLETED.

WILL THERE BE ANY MORE IN THE CURRENT YEAR'S BUDGET? NO, NOT THE PREVIOUS YEARS, NOT LIKE THAT.

SO WE FIRST DISCUSSION WITH COUNCIL WAS AS AS MR. WOJCIECHOWSKI SAID AT THE DECEMBER 16TH REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING.

AT THAT MEETING, COUNCIL APPROVED AN INITIAL ALLOCATION TO COVER AN INITIAL LIST, AND THEY ASKED US TO COME BACK AND BRING DOWN BRING AN ADDITIONAL LIST OF ITEMS TO FUND, WHICH WE DISCUSSED AT THE JANUARY 6TH MEETING.

SO IT WAS A SERIES OF TWO COUNCIL MEETINGS THAT WERE DISCUSSED THAT THAT LIST BASICALLY HAS COME OUT OF, OKAY, SO THIS IS IN OUR CURRENT BUDGET THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY.

YES. SO AND WILL THERE BE POSSIBLY MORE NOT USING UNDESIGNATED FUND BALANCE? SO YOU'LL SEE ADDITIONAL MOVES LIKE WE DO THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, BUDGET TRANSFERS, AMENDMENTS, THINGS LIKE THAT THAT HAPPEN, MOVING FUNDS FROM ONE PLACE TO THE OTHER, OR IF THERE'S SOME SORT OF EMERGENCY SUDDENLY THAT WE DIDN'T PLAN FOR AND CAN'T FIGURE OUT WITHIN THE CURRENT BUDGET, WE MIGHT BRING THOSE BACK, BUT THERE WON'T BE ANYTHING LIKE THAT COMING BACK.

AND THEN THE SECOND THING I WANTED TO COMMENT ON, I NOTICED TOO THE ABOUT THE STAFF POSITIONS AND I WANT TO CLARIFY SO THE FIGURES.

DOES THAT INCLUDE ALL THE PAYROLL TAXES AND EVERYTHING? YES. AND THEY WERE ESTIMATES BASED ON WHENEVER THOSE WENT TO COUNCIL, THEY WERE ESTIMATES FOR THE REMAINDER OF THAT THAT THE FISCAL YEAR.

SO THE OTHER THING THAT I NOTICED THEN, LIKE YOU SAID, WITH THE CAPITAL EXPENDITURES WITH THAT. I NOTICE? WELL, A COUPLE OF THINGS WITH THE CAPITAL EXPENDITURES, THAT WAS ONE OF YOUR GOALS FOR THIS YEAR'S.

BUDGET. AND SO THIS IS HELPING.

I KNOW THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDS LIKE THE AMERICAN RESCUE FUNDS THAT TOO HAVE HAVE FUNDED VERY SIMILAR VEHICLES AND AND THINGS LIKE THAT AS WELL.

SO I'M HOPING THERE'S A BIG DENT IN YOUR GOAL OR THAT THERE IS IN THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN OR ARPA FUNDING, AS WE CALL IT.

WE'RE BRINGING AN ITEM EITHER TO NEXT WEEK'S COUNCIL MEETING OR THE FIRST ONE IN MAY TO GIVE AN UPDATE TO COUNCIL.

NOT TO GET TOO FAR OFF TRACK, BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE OUR NEXT DISCUSSION WITH COUNCIL ABOUT THE RESULTS OF THE RFP THAT WE DID FOR HOMELESSNESS TYPE INITIATIVE.

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IT'S COMING SOON. ALL RIGHT.

WELL, THEN THE THIRD THING I WANTED TO SAY IS, SO THIS WILL BE MY SECOND YEAR ON THIS BOARD. AND THE FIRST YEAR MY MEMORY IS THAT IT WAS A VERY DIFFICULT YEAR TO FUND BEYOND THE MINIMUM OF WHAT EACH DEPARTMENT WANTED, YOU KNOW, NO EXCESS, BUT.

WHAT I SEE HERE IS THAT YOU HAVE LAID THE GROUNDWORK FOR THINGS TO.

THE NEW EXPENDITURES THAT LIKE THE SALARIES.

SO IN A WAY YOU'RE SAYING OR.

I HOPE IT'S NOT JUST A HOPE, BUT THAT IT'S BASED ON YOUR YEARS OF EXPERIENCE THAT THERE WILL BE SUFFICIENT ADJUSTMENTS AND FUNDS AVAILABLE WHERE WE DON'T HAVE TO.

WORRY OR COME TO THAT EDGE OF THERE.

JUST NO MORE MONEY IN THE BUDGET.

UNDERSTOOD. YEAH.

WE'RE VERY CONFIDENT WE SHOULD BE LIKE.

I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER WE CAN FUND.

I'M SORRY, THE POSITIONS THAT WE THE COUNCIL APPROVED.

I ALSO KNOW WE CAN DO BEYOND THAT WITH THE NEW REVENUE THAT WILL COME IN.

BUT WHAT WE DON'T KNOW YET IS WHAT THE BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE NEW CONSTRUCTION DOLLARS. SO IF YOU YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE TALKED AT LENGTH ABOUT THE.

WELL, AT SOME POINT WE'LL GET INTO MORE DETAILED, EXCITING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE THREE.

YOU GET DETAILED, WE'LL TELL YOU, BUT YOU JUST KEEP GOING.

OKAY? OKAY, GOOD. THIS IS A BOARD THAT LIKES HIM.

ALL RIGHT, GREAT. WE ARE.

INFO PROCESSORS.

EXCELLENT. WELL, THEN WE'RE ALL IN GOOD COMPANY HERE AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PROBABLY BRING STANTEC TO THEM IF WE HAVEN'T YET, LARRY.

BUT ESSENTIALLY THERE'S TWO MAIN THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THAT INCREASE OUR FUNDING. AND I EXPECT THAT SHARED REVENUE WILL LIKELY GO UP AGAIN.

SO THAT'S GOOD.

A LITTLE SIDE NOTE, THE GOVERNOR WAS ORIGINALLY TALKING ABOUT TAKING THE GAS TAX REVENUE AND SLICING THAT FOR SIX MONTHS.

THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CHUNK IF THEY'D DONE THAT.

BUT AS IT TURNS OUT, WHAT'S IN THE BUDGET PROPOSAL IS MAYBE A MONTH AND THEY'RE ARGUING NOW ABOUT WHETHER THEY'RE GOING TO COVER THAT WITH THEIR OWN VERSION OF ARPA FUNDING.

SO ESSENTIALLY, EVERYBODY STILL GETS THEIR REVENUE FROM THAT.

YOU DEFINE ARPA FUNDING BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO FOLLOW YOU.

I'M SORRY, IT'S AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT FUNDING.

SO BASICALLY IT'S FEDERAL DOLLARS THAT.

THE FIRST TIME THAT I KNOW OF, AT LEAST IN RECENT HISTORY, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DECIDED TO SEND DIRECT ALLOCATIONS TO CITIES ALL ACROSS AMERICA, WHICH HAD NOT REALLY HAS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE THAT I KNOW OF.

USUALLY ITS MONEY GOES TO THE STATE AND THEN THEY FUNNEL IT.

HOWEVER THEY FUNNEL IT.

SO THE CITY GOT AROUND $80 MILLION IN WHAT WE CALL ARPA FUNDING.

IT COMES TO US IN TWO LUMP SUMS. THEY CALL THEM TRANCHES.

BUT BASICALLY LAST YEAR, IN JUNE, WE GOT $9 MILLION.

WE'LL GET THE OTHER 9 MILLION THIS JUNE.

HOW THAT'S SUPPOSED TO WORK. I MEAN, UNLESS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SAYS YOU RUN OUT OF MONEY OR SOMETHING TERRIBLE LIKE THAT, BUT WE HOPE NOT.

SO THAT'S WHAT RPA IS. AND ORIGINALLY.

THE ARPA FUNDING WAS VERY SPECIFIC IN WHAT YOU COULD DO WITH IT.

SO IT WAS NEEDING LIKE OBVIOUSLY THINGS RELATED TO COVID.

THERE WAS THAT THERE WERE INFRASTRUCTURE TYPE IMPROVEMENTS, WATER STORM.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S STORM WATER RELATED IMPROVEMENTS, JUST A SMALL, LIMITED FEW OTHER CATEGORIES. AND THERE WAS A CALCULATION THAT YOU COULD DO FOR LOST REVENUE.

SO IF YOU VERY COMPLICATED FORMULA THE BUDGET TEAM WORKED ON AND BASICALLY IF YOU DID THE MATH AND YOU SAW THAT YOU HAD A NUMBER THAT YOU HAD NOT RECEIVED IN REVENUE FOR THE PRIOR YEAR THAT YOU HAD BUDGETED, THOUGHT YOU WOULD RECEIVE.

THEN YOU COULD USE THAT MONEY OUT OF THE ARPA FUNDING AND USE THAT FOR ANY CITY NEEDS ESSENTIALLY. SO.

WHAT'S CHANGED IS THAT BECAUSE.

I'M ASSUMING BECAUSE CITIES STRUGGLED WITH BEING ABLE TO SPEND THE ARPA MONEY IN THE VERY TIGHT CATEGORIES.

THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THEN CHANGED THE RULES SOME MONTHS BACK AND THEY SAID, BASICALLY, YOU CAN USE TO DO THAT.

CONSIDER IT LOST REVENUE.

THEY JUST USE THAT BROAD CATEGORY.

BUT ESSENTIALLY YOU CAN USE THE FUNDING NOW FOR PRETTY MUCH ANY CITY NEED, WHICH MEANS IT FREES US UP TO DO USE MORE OF THAT FUNDING FOR CAPITAL WHICH IS NEW AND USEFUL TO US, I THINK IF COUNCIL WANTS US TO GO IN THAT DIRECTION.

SO. IN MY DISCUSSION ON ARPA, I THINK I GOT OFF TRACK ON WHERE I WAS ORIGINALLY TRYING TO GO. I APOLOGIZE.

WHAT WAS I TRYING TO ANSWER FOR SOMEONE?

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OR THERE'S SOMEWHERE I WAS HEADED BEFORE THAT.

I'M SORRY. OKAY.

THAT WAS THE WORD. YEAH.

ALL RIGHT. IN THE STATE.

STATE SHARED REVENUES.

AND THEN WE GOT TO ARPA TO RE SUMMARIZE THIS LIST.

5.4 MILLION.

9 MILLION THAT WE HAVE IN OUR POSSESSION.

WHAT WE PROBABLY SPENT SOME OF IT.

9 MILLION MORE TO COME THIS COMING SUMMER.

FICTION WISE, RESTRICTIONS HAVE BEEN LESSENED TO ADDRESS CITY NEEDS, SUCH AS CAPITAL INVESTMENTS. SO EVEN AS EARLY AS LAST MAY OR JUNE, WHEN WE MOST OF US SAT UP HERE AS BORED AND WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT 140,000 PROJECTION WITH NO CLEAR SIGHT OF OF ANY MONEY.

SINCE THEN, NINE MILLIONS COME IN, FIVE FOUR HAS BEEN MOVED, 9 MILLION MORE COMING.

WE ARE IN A VERY GOOD POINT.

I REALLY LIKE TO LOOK AT THIS FIRE LIST.

I SEE THAT THERE'S THREE ENGINES PAID FOR, THREE ENGINES PAID FOR.

AND I WON'T TALK ABOUT THE POLICE VEHICLES BECAUSE I DID THAT AT A COUNCIL MEETING.

BUT I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE POLICE VEHICLES.

TWO OTHER QUESTIONS.

MR.. WHITE SORRY.

COMING RIGHT TO YOU. MR.. GO AHEAD.

MS.. BEAUCHAMP, PLEASE.

I WANTED TO SAY I WAS HAPPY ABOUT THE ENGINES BECAUSE I ASKED THAT IN THE LAST MEETING WHERE WAS THE MONEY.

BUT WHEN HE PROVIDED THAT, I WAS HAPPY TO SEE THAT WE DID GET THE ENGINES.

NOW, THE ONE THING I'M NOT SEEING IS DISPATCH.

WE GET THAT CORRECTED BECAUSE I DON'T WE DON'T HAVE THERE THERE ANTICIPATE, YOU KNOW, FOR THIS YEAR. BUT I WANT TO KNOW, DID WE SOLVE THAT ISSUE WITH DISPATCH? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT OUR STAFFING ISSUE? SO THERE'S. THREE THINGS HAPPENING.

ONE IS WE HAVE CHANGED OUR INTERNAL POLICIES TO ALLOW FORMER DISPATCHERS.

SO THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO NOW WORK FOR LIKE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT IS A GOOD EXAMPLE AND.

OR I FORGET THERE'S TWO DEPARTMENTS ABILITIES ANYWAY.

SO FOLKS THAT HAVE WANTED TO LEAVE THE LIFE OF TELECOMMUTING BEHIND HIGH STRESS HOURS WEREN'T THAT GREAT FOR SOME OF THEM, DEPENDING ON WHAT SHIFT.

SO ANYWAY, THEY STILL WORK FOR US.

SO WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO CHANGE OUR INTERNAL POLICIES TO ALLOW THEM TO WORK ON OVERTIME TO HELP MEET SOME OF THE THE NEEDS FOR FULFILLING THOSE SHIFTS SO THAT WE CAN BECAUSE WHAT WE'VE BEEN IN A POSITION OF, FOR THOSE WHO MAY NOT KNOW, WE'VE BEEN IN A MANDATORY OVERTIME STATUS OR OUR DISPATCH TEAM FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS, WHICH IS NOT GOOD.

AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS IF YOU'VE DONE A 12 HOUR SHIFT AND THERE'S NO ONE TO COVER, YOU HAVE TO STAY. OH, THAT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR FOR THEM, OBVIOUSLY, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE.

SO THAT'S ONE PRONG.

THE SECOND THING WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE IMPROVED SOME OF OUR RECRUITMENT TYPE FUNDING TO TRY AND MAKE IT MORE PALATABLE TO DRAW MORE PEOPLE IN.

AS YOU MAY KNOW, WE'RE WORKING ACTIVELY ON.

INTERNSHIP TRAINING TYPE PROGRAMS TO TRY TO GET MORE PEOPLE IN AS WELL.

AND THEN THE FOURTH THING IS GOING TO BE TRYING TO DEAL WITH THE SALARIES.

BUT FROM WHAT I'M BEING TOLD FROM THE TEAM, IT'S NOT AS MUCH A SALARY ISSUE, ALTHOUGH THAT'S OBVIOUSLY PART OF IT AS MUCH AS IT'S JUST A GETTING PEOPLE INTO THAT LINE OF WORK.

ALAN SO TRYING TO GET PEOPLE INTO A PROGRAM WHERE THEY WANT TO TAKE THIS ON AS A CAREER IS IS A BIG DEAL.

AND WE'RE PARTNERING WITH BREVARD PUBLIC SCHOOLS BECAUSE AT PALM BAY HIGH THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A PROGRAM.

I THINK IT'S A PALM BAY HIGH ON BEHALF.

YES. TO ESSENTIALLY TRY TO GET SOME HIGH SCHOOLERS INTO THE PROGRAM, EARLY TRAINING, SO THAT THEY COULD BE READY TO GO MAYBE SOONER THAN SOME.

SO THOSE ARE ALL DIFFERENT THINGS.

WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE PEOPLE ON MANDATORY OVERTIME, THAT'S FOR SURE.

AND ALSO THE NEW STATION ON PALM BAY ROAD.

WHERE ARE WE AT ON THAT ONE? SO IT'S GOING TO BE CALLED FIRE STATION SEVEN BECAUSE YOU HEAR US TALK ABOUT THAT.

THERE WERE SEVERAL DIFFERENT THINGS WE WERE LOOKING AT FOR FUNDING.

WE DID LOOK FOR SOME I FORGET THE NAME OF THE PROGRAM, BUT A FEDERAL TYPE FUNDING PROGRAM LIKE A GRANT, ESSENTIALLY, I BELIEVE THE END RESULT WAS WE DID NOT GET THAT.

SO. THAT THAT'S IS WHAT IT IS.

IN THE STATE BUDGET, THERE'S A FIVE IN A $400,000 CONTRIBUTION SITTING THERE AS A STATE APPROPRIATION TO HELP WITH THE FUNDING.

SO SENATOR MAYFIELD AND REPRESENTATIVE FINE BOTH SUPPORTED THAT.

WE APPRECIATE THAT AND HOPEFULLY IT'S IN THE SIGNED BUDGET WHEN THAT HAPPENS.

BUT ULTIMATELY WHAT OUR PLAN IS, IS TO USE THIS IS ONE OF THINGS YOU'RE GOING TO SEE.

I'M GOING TO BRING TO COUNCIL HERE SOON, POTENTIALLY USE ARPA MONEY TO FUND THE BUILD OF THE STATION BECAUSE IN A PERFECT WORLD WE WOULD USE FIRE IMPACT FEES TO BUILD A NEW STATION. BUT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH IN THAT ACCOUNT TO BUILD TO BUILD AN ACTUAL STATION.

I MEAN, WE CAN BUY SOME EQUIPMENT WITH IT, PERHAPS.

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STATION ONE ON PORT MALABAR.

THEIR CALL VOLUMES ARE FAIRLY TREMENDOUS.

AND SO WE, BASED ON ALL OF OUR MATH, THAT IS THE VERY NEXT STATION THAT NEEDS TO BE BUILT IS THE ONE ON PALM BAY ROAD.

SO WE DID USE GRANT FUNDING TO CLEAR OUT THE OLD STUFF TO CLEAN IT.

SO NOW IT'S JUST PUTTING THE FUNDING TOGETHER TO BUILD IT AND TRYING TO DO THAT WITHOUT TAKING ON DEBT TO DO SO.

SO THAT'S OUR PLAN. AND ARPA IS A BLESSING TO HAVE AT THIS MOMENT.

SO. SO BRIEFLY, I JUST WANT TO PAUSE HERE AND SEE IF WE WANT TO CLOSE UP TALKING ABOUT OUR ALLOCATION LIST AND DOVE INTO THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT BECAUSE WE'RE KIND OF GETTING INTO THAT. WE HAD A POLICE A GREAT POLICE RELATED QUESTION, A GREAT FIRE RELATED QUESTION. I'M GREAT TO DOVE INTO THESE IF WE'RE READY, IF WE WANT TO MOVE ON TO THAT ORDER OF BUSINESS. BUT DO WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE ON THE RESERVE LIST? MR. WHITE? IT LOOKS LIKE YOU MIGHT.

PLEASE ONE THING.

I WAS SAVING YOU A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE IT'S PROBABLY A GENERAL QUESTION.

I'M. THIS.

GENERAL FUND SUSTAINABILITY ANALYSIS.

I'M. CLARIFICATION.

IT SAYS RESERVE LEVELS IS THE RESERVE OF THE SAME AS THE UNALLOCATED FUND BALANCE REFERRING TO.

FOR. FOR WHAT IT MIGHT BE REFERRING TO THE UNBALANCED BASED ON THE REST OF.

ON THIS PAGE. STANTEC SAW A CHART.

THE RESERVES, THE RESERVE LEVELS ARE THE REQUIRED RESERVES THAT THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE. HIGHER LEVEL OF THE UNBALANCE.

YES, SIR. YES.

I KIND OF THOUGHT SO. WANTED TO CLARIFY.

SO MY QUESTION IS.

E. THIS ANALYSIS CREATES PAINTS A PRETTY GRIM PICTURE OF OUR FUTURE.

BUT ALSO IT WAS CONDUCTED IN 2018 AND APPARENTLY HAD NOT AN OPTIMISTIC ENOUGH VIEW OF SOME OF OUR FUNDS.

2020, 2021.

NOT EXPECTING US AT ANY POINT FROM 17 TO 28 TO GO TO EXCEED $10 MILLION.

MUCH SLIVER THERE.

BUT WE ENDED THE PREVIOUS FISCAL YEAR WITH AROUND 20 MILLION IN THEIR.

APPROXIMATELY. BUT WITH THIS GRIM PICTURE IN MIND.

WE'VE. I'M CONFUSED BY THE RATIONALE BEHIND THIS KIND OF A FUTURE LOOMING, SO TO SPEAK, WHY WE WOULD DRAW DOWN THE UNDESIGNATED FUND BALANCE BY THIS MUCH.

CONCERNED ABOUT NOT HAVING ENOUGH IN IT LATER.

AND WE HAVE A GREAT EXCESS NOW.

AND SO WE USE THE GREAT EXCESS AS A REASON TO DRAW DOWN A LARGE AMOUNT.

THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

THE ANSWER TO THAT IS YOU CAN'T USE YOUR FUND BALANCE TO SUSTAIN OPERATIONS.

YOU CAN USE IT FOR ONE TIME THINGS.

WE CAN USE IT FOR THIS ONE TIME, PARTIAL FUNDING OF A HANDFUL OF POSITIONS.

THAT'S NOT A BIG DEAL.

BUT IF THE AUDITORS FOUND THAT WE WERE USING OUR FUND BALANCE TO SUSTAIN OPERATIONS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH REVENUE COMING IN, THEY WOULD ACTUALLY.

SO IT'S MORE THAN A SLAP ON THE HAND.

BUT WE WOULD WE WOULD HAVE A WHAT'S THE WORD, A SIGNIFICANT, SIGNIFICANT FINDING OR DEFICIENCY. BASICALLY, IT WOULD IMPACT YOUR BOND RATING.

IT WOULD. QUITE A FEW IMPACTS.

SO THANK YOU, LARRY.

AND SO THE END RESULT OF THAT IS SO WE ARE WHERE WE'RE AT.

THERE'S THERE'S NOT.

WE KNOW WE NEED TO MEET OUR CAPITAL NEEDS TODAY.

RIGHT. AND WE KNOW WE HAVE A CERTAIN LEVEL OF STAFFING THAT WE HAVE AND WE ACTUALLY NEED TO GROW. IF OUR REVENUES, THOUGH, DON'T GROW IN THE SAME WAY, THEN IN THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO, WE'RE GOING TO BE FACED WITH DISCUSSIONS ABOUT IF WE IF WE STILL ARE IN A 3% CAP ENVIRONMENT, FOR EXAMPLE, WE STILL HAVE ONLY SO MUCH REVENUE COMING IN.

AND LET'S LET'S ASSUME A WORST CASE SCENARIO.

THERE'S A CHANGE IN THE ECONOMIC SITUATION.

RIGHT. AND WE ALL ARE THINKING ABOUT THAT AND WONDERING WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IF WE SEE OURSELVES ON THAT PATH THERE.

THERE'S USUALLY A LITTLE LAG AS TO WHEN NEGATIVE ECONOMIC CIRCUMSTANCES HITS THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT ECONOMY. IT'S USUALLY TAKES A COUPLE OF BUDGET CYCLES, BUT EITHER WAY, WE

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MR. BATTEN ACTUALLY USES IT LAST NIGHT AT THE THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.

COUNCIL MAY BE FACED WITH QUESTIONS.

WHAT ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS? ARE THEY POLICE, FIRE AND ROADS AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS SECONDARY? AND DO YOU LOOK AT DEPARTMENTS LIKE RECREATION OR PARKS AND SAY, MAYBE WE DON'T SPEND WHAT WE SPENT THERE BEFORE? I'M NOT SAYING THAT ANYONE IS LISTENING.

I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR REMOVING THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT.

BUT THE POINT OF THAT IS YOU REALLY START TO.

RIGHT NOW, WE'RE TRYING TO MEET ALL THE NEEDS OF THE CITY AND DO WELL IN ALL THOSE CATEGORIES. BUT IF WE GET TO THIS POINT AND NOTHING HAS CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY FOR US FISCALLY AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO START LOOKING AT WE CAN ONLY SUSTAIN SO MUCH.

AND THAT IS WHY FOR US ONE OF THE DRIVERS TO GET MORE BALANCE IN OUR.

OUR TAX BASE, MOVE BEYOND JUST SINGLE FAMILY AND HAVE MORE COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL MORE BUSINESS. THAT ACTUALLY CHANGES THE DYNAMICS OF OUR TAX BASE AND MAKES US MORE SUSTAINABLE FOR THE FUTURE AND BRINGS IN GREATER REVENUE IF WE CAN GET THERE.

WE MIGHT NOT BE IN AS DIRE A PICTURE BECAUSE THIS ALSO ASSUMES THE CURRENT TAXABLE VALUES BASED ON THE CURRENT MAKEUP OF THE THE CITY.

THE PROPERTIES REMAINS THE SAME THROUGHOUT THIS TIME, BUT WE'RE WORKING HARD TO CHANGE THAT. SO THESE WOULD BE THINGS TO ADDRESS THE.

ISSUE OF THE OF THE.

REVENUE VERSUS EXPENDITURES OR COST OF OPERATION, I SUPPOSE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THROUGH THIS CHART. BUT MY POINT IS THAT IF WE HAVE A MINIMUM AND WE HAD MORE THAN DOUBLE THAT REQUIRED MINIMUM. OR PROJECTED TO GO BELOW.

AND THAT'S A CONCERN.

WHY WOULD WE SPEND FIVE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS AT ONCE? BECAUSE WE HAVE QUOTE.

WELL, LET ME QUOTE SHOULD SAY QUOTE, SO TO SPEAK, EXTRA MONEY WHEN BASED ON THE NEXT FEW YEARS, IT IS VERY CLEARLY NOT EXTRA.

WE'RE AFRAID OF DIPPING BELOW THE LINE, EXCEPT WE HAVE TEASINGLY AND ABUNDANTLY MORE THAN THE LINE AT THE MOMENT.

I'LL TRY TO HANG ON TO.

AT. EVEN.

MAYBE I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING YOUR QUESTION CORRECTLY, BUT THE ANSWER THAT COMES TO MY MIND IS, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE ESSENTIALLY WE'RE IN A POSITION WHERE WE CAN USE THAT FOR ONE TIME FUNDING. SO USE IT NOW.

USE IT LATER. VEHICLES GET IN WORSE CONDITIONS, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE LET IT GO.

SO THAT COSTS US MORE IN THE LONG RUN, ETC..

SO WHENEVER WE GET TO THIS POINT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO START USING FUN BALANCE, BUT YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO USE IT FOR OPERATIONS, FOR MAINTAINING YOUR STAFF.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CUT BEFORE YOU GET TO THAT POINT.

IF I COULD ADD TO THAT, IN THIS CURRENT YEAR BUDGET, IN THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET ITSELF, WE LITERALLY HAVE ZERO FOR CAPITAL PURCHASES, $0 AMOUNT.

SO WE HAD TO BUY SOME CAPITAL, BE ABLE TO OFFSET OUR FLEET THAT IS AGING.

SO THAT'S WHY WE DID WHAT WE DID OR WHAT THE COUNCIL DID, WHAT THEY DID.

YOU HAVE TO BUY SOMETHING IS AN AGING FLEET THAT WE HAVE.

BEAUCHAMP, PLEASE. HE WASN'T HERE FOR THE LIKE THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

AND YOU WOULD SEE THAT WE HAD LIKE REALLY OLD STUFF.

IT'S SITTING AROUND NOT BEING REPAIRED OR NOT BEING REPLACED.

SO THIS MONEY COMING IN WAS A BLESSING IN DISGUISE.

START UPDATING A LOT OF STUFF THAT LIKE EBOOK FOR INSTANCE, OUR IT CYBER EVERYTHING.

I KNOW YOU GOT CTO PALM BAY YOU PROBABLY HAVEN'T EXPERIENCED IT BUT LIKE EVERY MONTH.

YOU ARE GETTING HOT, YOU ARE GETTING HACKED.

SO THEY UPGRADED A LOT OF THAT STUFF.

SO WHEN YOU SEE ALL THAT MONEY BEING USED, IT WAS STUFF THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN USED YEARS AGO, JUST DIDN'T HAVE THE FUNDING.

NOW THAT WE HAVE THE FUNDING, NOW THEY'RE STARTING TO DO AND REPLACE LIKE THE ENGINES WE HAD OLD ENGINES LIKE ALL OUR ENGINES ARE OLD, THEY JUST REPLACE THREE.

WE ACTUALLY NEED TO REPLACE THREE MORE.

SAME THING WITH THE FIRE STATION BY BAYSIDE.

YOU'RE SHARING IT WITH RESCUE.

THEY NEED TO HAVE THEIR OWN STATION.

THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE ONE YET.

SO THOSE KIND OF THINGS, WHEN YOU SEE ALL THAT MONEY BEING USED, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN BEEN TOOK CARE OF IT YEARS AGO, NOT JUST LAST YEAR.

THAT'S WHY IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE SO MUCH NOW AND NOT SAVING CAN AFFORD TO SAVE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO REPLACE.

CAN YOU DEFINE FUN BALANCE BECAUSE YOU MADE THE STATEMENT THAT IT CAN'T BE USED FOR OPERATIONS. WHAT? YOU DEFINE THAT FUN BALANCE WHAT IT IS? WELL, USUALLY WHEN WE USE THE WORD FUN BALANCE OR WE SAY RESERVES OR SOMETIMES WE'LL SAY ON DESIGNATED FUN BALANCE, THOSE ARE GENERALLY TERMS WE'RE USING INTERCHANGEABLY FOR THE MOST PART. AND IT JUST REFERS TO THE AVAILABLE FUNDING THAT HAS NOT LET ME BACK UP.

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WE DIDN'T SPEND ALL THE EXPENDITURES THAT WERE MATCHED UP WITH IT, ALL THAT DROPPED INTO WHAT WE CALL FUND BALANCE OR THE UNDESIGNATED RESERVES.

AND SO THAT MONEY HAS BEEN BUILDING UP.

BUT WE WEREN'T ADDRESSING CAPITAL, WHICH IS WHAT LARRY, THE POINT LARRY WAS MAKING AS WELL. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

SO FUND BALANCE GENERALLY, IT HAS DIFFERENT COMPONENTS.

WE CAN GET INTO THAT MORE WITH YOU, IF YOU LIKE, AT A FUTURE MEETING.

WE ALSO CAN BRING STANTEC TO DO A PRESENTATION TOO, WHICH MIGHT BE HELPFUL.

BUT WITHIN FUND BALANCE FOR GENERAL FUND, THERE ARE COMPONENTS THAT ARE ASSIGNED AND COMPONENTS THAT ARE UNASSIGNED.

SO THERE'S A LITTLE MATH TO IT.

BUT BASICALLY WE'RE THE POINT OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS AND TO MR. WHITE'S POINT FUND BALANCE HAS BEEN BUILDING UP.

THE UNDESIGNATED PORTION HAS BEEN BUILDING UP.

BUT WE ALSO FACED A POINT WHERE WE COULDN'T CONTINUE TO PUSH OUT FURTHER.

ALL THESE CAPITAL NEEDS, I MEAN, THE FIRE TRUCK IS A GOOD EXAMPLE FOR ME BECAUSE I KEPT KEPT GETTING THE STORIES OF IT'S NOW IT'S I'VE GOT TO SEND IT TO ANOTHER CITY TO GET IT FIXED BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, NOBODY AROUND HERE FIXES THE FIRE TRUCKS.

BUT IT BECAME SO EXPENSIVE TO KEEP KEEP HAVING TO SEND THEM OUT AND THEN THEY'RE NOT IN SERVICE. AND I HAVE NO BACKUP ENGINE.

SO IT BECAME A COMPOUNDING EFFECT OF WE'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING TO SOLVE THIS NOW.

SO. IF I MAY, I'D LIKE TO EXPAND ON ON THE UN DESIGNATED FUND BALANCE OF THE RESERVE WHATEVER WITH JUST A SIMPLE HOUSEHOLD EXAMPLE AND I'LL TALK MY OWN HOUSEHOLD, RIGHT.

SO MAMA TAUGHT ME HOW TO KEEP A CHECKBOOK AND SHE TOLD ME TO IGNORE $100.

JUST PRETEND IT'S NOT THERE, MAKE IT SAY ZERO INSTEAD.

SO THAT $100 THERE, THAT'S ALWAYS MY RESERVE, RIGHT? IT EXISTS, BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY EXIST IN MY MIND.

BUT THINGS ARE TIGHT.

THINGS ARE GOING WELL. I HOPE THAT TO TWO TO 3 TO 5, MAYBE I GET TO 1000 NOW.

EIGHT NEW PAIR OF SNEAKERS.

FIRST DAY OF SCHOOL WE GOT TO GET RIGHT NOW.

I'M GOING TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT MONEY ACTUALLY DOES EXIST.

I'M GOING TO PULL DOWN 60 BUCKS, MAKE SURE MY BABY IS LOOKING GOOD ON THE FIRST DAY OF SCHOOL, SO TO SPEAK.

I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT HOUSEHOLD EXAMPLE BECAUSE THAT'S HOW I WRAP MY HEAD AROUND IT. BUT THEN THEY START TALKING ABOUT MILLIONS.

AND LET ME TELL YOU, MY RESERVE IS NOT MILLIONS.

IT'S I'M I'M HAPPY IT'S MORE THAN NICKELS.

SO ALL THAT SAID, THIS IS GOOD DIALOG, BUT I DO WANT TO AND IT IS GERMANE TO THE LIST AND I LIKE IT. BUT I KNOW THAT THIS PRESENTATION CAN AND WILL LEAD INTO A VERY ROBUST DIALOG ABOUT THE CAP, WHICH I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE AT THE MOST APPROPRIATE TIME.

BUT I WANT TO KEEP US ON ORDER AS FAR AS OUR AGENDA TONIGHT IS AND KIND OF WITH THE OUTLAY. SO DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTARY ON THE THE LIST, THIS ORDER OF BUSINESS? MS.. CONLEY DOES, MA'AM.

ACTUALLY, IT'S NOT ON THE LIST, BUT SHERMAN DID I REMEMBER FROM CITY COUNCIL THAT YOU HAVE ASKED STANTEC TO COME BACK AND UPDATE THESE FIGURES OUR CURRENT WAY.

YES. THEY'LL BE DOING A PRESENTATION FOR COUNCIL.

WE HAVEN'T SCHEDULED THAT YET, BUT THE NEXT THING THEY'RE GOING TO DO IS COME BACK TO THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION AT THE APRIL 26TH MEETING.

THEY WILL USE WHICH FIGURES? WELL, THOUSAND 18, I HOPE.

NO, THE MODEL'S BEEN UPDATED.

I UNDERSTAND. THAT'S SO WHAT MR. WHITE IS REFERRING TO.

MAYBE IT BETTER ANSWER.

ALL RIGHT. SO BEAUTIFUL.

THAT SAID, WE ARE GOING TO CLOSE OLD BUSINESS ONE.

WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS ONE.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO CUE THIS UP, IF I MAY.

SO WE HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT OF QUESTIONS FROM PRESENTATIONS.

SO IN ORDER THE FIRST PRESENTATION HAPPENS TO BE THE STANTEC PRESENTATION.

PUT THAT ONE ASIDE FOR JUST A MOMENT AND NOTE THAT WE HAVE QUITE A FEW MORE THAN HALF A DOZEN DEPARTMENT PRESENTATIONS.

WE GOT THESE AHEAD OF TIME AND NOW EVERYONE HAS THEM IN PRINT AS WELL.

ONE, TWO, THREE, SIX.

WE ACTUALLY HAVE NINE, WHICH IS GREAT OUT OF 13 DEPARTMENTS.

RIGHT. SO I ACTUALLY GAVE HAD NINE.

SO WHAT I PLAN ON DOING IS THE NEXT TIME THAT WE MEET, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU THE REMAINING BECAUSE THERE WERE SOME THAT THEY WERE JUST TOO BIG TO GIVE TO YOU.

THEY DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME. THEY'RE MISSING THEIR DIRECTORS.

YOU KNOW, THEY'RE. YEAH. AND AS WE DISCUSSED.

SO IT WOULD HAVE BEEN TOO MANY FOR YOU TO LOOK AT ANYWAY.

SO RIGHT. RIGHT.

WHAT WE STATED IN THE MARCH MEETING AS A GOAL FOR THE APRIL AND MAY MEETINGS WAS TO COVER THE DEPARTMENTS BETWEEN THE TWO MEETINGS.

SO WE ASKED MR. WOJCIECHOWSKI, HEY, GET US AS MANY AS YOU CAN FOR THE FIRST MEETING, LET EVERYTHING ELSE TRICKLE IN FOR THE NEXT.

SO WE GOT NINE OUT OF 13.

THAT'S GOOD. SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO HERE IS KIND OF WORK THROUGH A METHODICALLY LET'S GO TOPIC BY TOPIC, PLEASE.

LET'S MAKE AN AGREEMENT AS A BOARD THAT WILL JUMP INTO ONE.

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WE'LL, WE'LL STICK ON THAT ONE.

SEND THE QUESTIONS, ASK THEM.

WE'RE LUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE MS..

SHERMAN HERE. SHE MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER THEM, BUT OTHERWISE THEY'LL BE WELL DOCUMENTED.

TAKE HIM BACK TO THAT RESPECTIVE DIRECTOR FOR CLARIFICATION BROUGHT BACK TO US IN THE NEXT MEETING, AS WELL AS THE ADDITIONAL DEPARTMENTS.

AND WE'LL WORK OUR WAY THROUGH THOSE.

BUT IF IT PLEASES THE BOARD, I WOULD LIKE TO SET THE STANTEC PRESENTATION ASIDE AND DOVE INTO THE CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT OUR DEPARTMENTS ARE TELLING US THEY NEED.

BECAUSE AGAIN, THERE'S GOING TO BE A TIME AND PLACE AND IT MAY EVEN BE AT THE CONCLUSION OF WORKING THROUGH THESE NINE DECKS THAT WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT WHAT STANTEC HAS TO SAY OF RESERVE BALANCE, CAPITAL ALLOCATION, WHAT HAVE YOU.

BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR, SO TO SPEAK, FROM THE DEPARTMENT.

SO IS THAT AGREEABLE TO TO ALL? IF I CAN GET A HEAD.

GOOD. SO THE FIRST THAT I SEE IN MY STACK IS RECREATION DEPARTMENT.

SO IF WE WANT TO JUMP INTO THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT AND I WILL ENTERTAIN ANYBODY ON THE BOARD THAT WANTS TO JUMP IN WITH ANYTHING THAT THEY SAW, THAT THAT STOOD OUT, THAT THEY WANTED FURTHER CLARIFICATION.

AND IF NOBODY WANTS TO GO FIRST, I DO HAVE ONE.

SO NO PRESSURE. BUT MS.. BEAUCHAMP DOES SO GOOD.

PLEASE, WHY ARE WE.

DO WE KNOW WHY WE'RE GOING TO RECLASSIFY EMILY HERE? IT'S IT'S ON HERE THAT YOU WANT TO RECLASSIFY OUR POSITION.

ARE WE ADDING MORE DUTIES TO HER? ARE WE TAKING AWAY.

LAST PAGE. SORRY.

LAST PAGE. OKAY.

WELL, I GUESS THAT'LL BE A QUESTION I WOULD HAVE TO FIND OUT, TOO, BECAUSE THE PROCESS IS LARRY MIGHT HAVE EXPLAINED TO YOU, IS THE DEPARTMENT PUT TOGETHER ALL THEIR REQUESTS.

THEY SUBMIT OFFICIAL FORMS FOR ALL THOSE THINGS.

AND THEN MY OFFICE SITS DOWN WITH EACH DIRECTOR AND TEAM AND ACTUALLY GOES THROUGH ALL OF THEM. SO I HAVEN'T I HAVEN'T REVIEWED ANY OF THOSE YET.

I HAVEN'T SEEN THEIR JUSTIFICATION MEMOS OR ANYTHING.

SO THIS IS ALL VERY LIKE HIGH LEVEL WISHLIST FROM THE DEPARTMENT THAT I HAVEN'T VETTED EITHER. SO. THEY FILL YOU IN? THIS IS ONLY OUR SECOND MEETING THIS YEAR, SO WE REALLY HAVEN'T COVERED.

SO WE'RE ALL NEW TOGETHER.

SO WE'RE ALL. YES, YES.

GOT IT. EVERYTHING ELSE WAS BEAUCHAMP.

HERE. EVERYONE LOOKS THROUGH.

I'M GOING TO JUMP IN AND DRAW ATTENTION TO THE DEPARTMENTAL BUDGET SUMMARY.

ONE SHEET OF PAPER, TWO SHEET OF PAPER ON THE THIRD SHEET OF PAPER, THE FIRST PAGE THERE.

SO I GUESS THAT WOULD BE PAGE SIX FIVE.

DEPARTMENTAL BUDGET SUMMARY.

WHEN I LOOK AT REVENUES, EXPENSES, WE HAVE BASICALLY WHAT'S THE TREND OVER FOUR YEARS.

UNDERSTAND REVENUES WENT WAY DOWN IN 20.

UNDERSTAND EXPENSES WENT UP FISCAL YEAR 21.

REVENUES JUMPED BACK UP NOT TO PRE-COVID LEVELS, BUT HEY, BUT EXPENSES ARE WAY DOWN.

MY ASSUMPTION IS THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE BIFURCATION WITH THE PARKS AND RECREATION INTO JUST RECREATION. BUT CAN I JUST GET THAT AS.

THAT'S CORRECT, YES. OKAY.

AND TO EXPAND ON THAT, IN CASE THE BOARD DOESN'T KNOW, REMEMBER, WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS PRESENTATION FROM THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT.

WE DON'T HAVE ONE TODAY, BUT WE WILL FROM PARKS AND FACILITIES, WHICH IS NOW A DEPARTMENT WAS FACILITIES. PARKS IS THERE NOW SO WHAT I WAS GAINING CLARIFICATION FROM AS SHERMAN IS ASSOCIATED EXPENSES WITH FACILITIES HAS NOW BEEN TAKEN OUT IN FISCAL YEAR 21 AND WE'LL EXPECT IT WILL BE IN 22 AS WELL.

THAT WAS THE ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION THAT I HAD AND YEAH, THAT WAS THE ONLY ONE I WAS LOOKING FOR ON RECREATION.

WHY ELSE? WHAT? I WONDER IF IT MIGHT BE MORE BENEFICIAL TO HOLD OFF DISCUSSION ON THE RECREATION PRESENTATION UNTIL WE HAVE THE PARKS PRESENTATION? THEY DO KIND OF OVERLAP IN A WAY.

RECENT ORGANIZATION.

THE OTHER EIGHT. SAVE THAT ONE.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. AND JUST FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARIFICATION, THIS IS TOTALLY LIKE AN INFORMATIONAL DISCUSSION TO THE POINT THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEND BACK QUESTIONS, DESIRES FOR EXPANSION.

THAT SIMPLE STATEMENT ALONE.

NOW, THE STAFF UNDERSTANDS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT PARKS AND FACILITIES AND TRYING TO SAY, HEY, WHAT HAPPENED NOW THAT THEY'VE BEEN SEPARATED? SO THAT WHEN WE START TO SEE SOME FIGURES HERE IN A FEW SUBSEQUENT MONTHS AND WE MEET AS A BOARD, WE CAN RECALL WE REVIEWED THE RECREATION.

SO GREAT FEEDBACK AND I ACTUALLY CONCUR WITH IT.

DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT MR. POPPY DID INCLUDE IN HIS PRESENTATION THAT YOU WANT A CLARIFICATION ON OR ANYTHING WHEN WE DO REVISIT RECREATION? UM. I WAS JUST.

JUST A LITTLE. A LITTLE CAUGHT OFF GUARD BY THE POOL HEATER REPLACEMENT.

I DIDN'T REALIZE WE HAD A HEATER THAT.

IN PART, I CAN'T HELP BUT MAKE A JOKE.

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WHAT? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT KIND OF USAGE THAT GETS EATER SPECIFICALLY? YEAH, BECAUSE WE IN LARRY MAY KNOW EVEN MORE THAN I DO, BUT WE USE THE POOL YEAR ROUND, SO WE KEEP IT AT A SET TEMPERATURE SO THAT IT'S GOOD FOR EVERYBODY.

IT'S NOT. AFTER A WHILE, AFTER A FEW MONTHS OF FLORIDA WINTER, IT DOES IT DOES START TO GET KIND OF CHILLY FOR FOLKS.

YOU KNOW WHAT TEMPERATURE WE KEEP IT AT OFFHAND.

I HONESTLY DON'T. BUT YOU HAVE A LOT OF SWIM TEAMS THAT USE IT.

HIGH SCHOOL TEAMS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

IT'S HEAVILY USED.

MY FIRST THOUGHT WAS MAYBE FIX THE HEATER AND INSTEAD GET A POLAR BEAR CLUB GOING.

AND MR. WHITE, AS YOU CAN'T HELP YOURSELF WITH A JOKE.

I CAN'T HELP MYSELF EITHER.

REMEMBER THAT THE POOL WAS A GIFT FROM BREVARD COUNTY TO THE CITY.

YOU GO HAVE A POOL AND DEAL WITH IT.

I RECALL A HORSE THAT WAS BEAUCHAMP.

DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? OH, I LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT.

YEAH, I BET. SORRY ABOUT THAT.

THE HERITAGE PARKWAY.

WELL, I GUESS WE CAN WAIT AND SEE, BECAUSE NOW THAT PARKS IS NO LONGER WITH REC AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, I GUESS, WHO DOES WHAT NOW.

BECAUSE WITH ME BEING A VOLUNTEER WITH THE CITY, ESPECIALLY WITH THE LITTLE LEAGUES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, FRED, POPPY IS WHO WE USED TO HAVE TO GO TO.

SO NOW WITH THE PARKS NOT BEING A PART OF RECREATION, I TOO WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO SEE THEM TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE THAT STUFF THEY USED TO COVER BECAUSE I NOTICE THAT UNDER LIST, NOT TRYING TO GO BACK TO THE LIST BUT A LOT OF THE.

SCOREBOARDS. WERE REPLACED, BUT THEY WERE NO SOCCER OR FOOTBALL SCOREBOARDS.

THOSE NEED TO BE REPLACED TOO.

BUT IT WAS BASEBALL.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE PARK IS GOING TO AT LEAST TAKE CARE OF FOOTBALL AND SOCCER.

TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE DYNAMIC UNDERSTOOD ON DIFFERENT SPORTS IN DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.

WELL, THEY'RE THEY'RE ALL COMMUNITY PARTNERS.

MISS SHERMAN'S GOT A POINT. GO AHEAD, MISTER.

PLEASE TRY TO SHED SOME LIGHT ON THAT.

SO KEEP IT SIMPLE FOR YOU. SO, RECREATION PARKS AND FACILITIES, TWO DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. RECREATION IS IS THE DEPARTMENT STILL UNDER FRED? POPPY, IT DEALS WITH ALL THE PROGRAMING, ALL THE LEAGUES, EVERYTHING YOU NORMALLY DEALT WITH HIM ON. YOU COULD STILL GO TO HIM WITHOUT ANY CHANGE TO THE THE PUBLIC SIDE.

WHAT'S DIFFERENT IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE PIECE OF PARKS.

SO THAT'S THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL, EVERYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED AND TAKEN CARE OF THAT'S NOW MERGED WITH THE FACILITIES.

PORTION OF THE CITY, WHICH IS ALL OF THE CITY BUILDINGS.

THE PHYSICAL FACILITY OF PARKS AND FACILITIES ARE ONE DEPARTMENT.

THE SAME TEAM IS CHARGED WITH TAKING CARE OF ALL OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO THEY ARE THE PEOPLE THAT FRED WOULD CALL.

IF THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH LIKE A SCOREBOARD DIDN'T WORK OR SOMETHING NEEDED TO BE MAINTAINED, THE BALL FIELD WAS IMPROPERLY SET UP OR WHATEVER.

BUT STILL DO WHAT YOU WOULD NORMALLY DO.

CALL FRED, CALL HIS DIVISION MANAGER TEAM.

THEY WOULD WORK WITH THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS.

AS CHANGED. I WAS CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY, AND I'LL SHARE WITH THE BOARD.

I SIT ON THE RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD AND THAT SAID, I DON'T REPRESENT THE BOARD OR ANYONE ON THE BOARD. I JUST REPRESENT MYSELF AS A CITIZEN.

BUT SITTING ON THE BOARD, I PROCESS A LOT OF INFORMATION.

THE WAY THAT I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR THE BRIDGE IS NOT ONLY TO EXPAND THE ACCESSIBILITY AND THE AVAILABILITY TO FRED POPPY, BUT IT'S REALLY TO ENABLE THE FUNCTIONAL USE OF THE CAMPGROUND. SO WITH THE CAMPGROUND BEING ESSENTIALLY A CAPITAL INVESTMENT, BUT THE CAMPGROUND BEING AN ENABLER TO A FUTURE REVENUE SOURCE, IT'S GOING TO FLOW THROUGH AND BENEFIT THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT.

SPECIFICALLY, IT'S GOING TO BENEFIT THE CITY, BUT THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT WOULD BE THE DEPARTMENT THAT WOULD ADVOCATE AND COME TO COUNCIL AND SO TO SPEAK THROUGH YOU, OF COURSE, TO PULL DOWN THAT THAT 3.5 MILLION SPECIFICALLY, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO ENABLE THEIR OPERATION, ESSENTIALLY.

IS THAT A CORRECT SUMMARY? WELL, THE ONLY THING I WOULD JUST SAY IS BOTH DEPARTMENT HEADS WOULD ADVOCATE EQUALLY FOR IT. EXCUSE ME, BECAUSE WHILE FRED MAY BE FOCUSED ON THE PROBLEM, WE FOCUS ON THE RECREATION SIDE OF IT.

MR. MINOR IS FULLY AWARE OF THE NEED FOR THAT EXIT, NOT JUST FOR ACCOMMODATING FUTURE CAMPGROUND, BUT ALSO THERE ARE YOU RECALL DURING COVID, WE HAD OUR CHRISTMAS HOLIDAY EVENTS THERE AND WE HAD THIS NICE, NOT SO PLEASANT LINE OF TRAFFIC GOING DOWN MALABAR.

SO WHAT WE WE REALIZE FULLY IS THAT TO DO CERTAIN TYPES OF BIG EVENTS OUT THERE, WE NEED TO HAVE ANOTHER WAY IN AND OUT AS FOR EVACUATION, BUT ALSO FOR FLOW OF TRAFFIC.

SO BEFORE WE CAN FULLY UTILIZE THE PARK, WE NEED THAT TO BE DONE.

AND OUR WE'VE ALREADY TALKED INTERNALLY ABOUT WHETHER THIS CAN BE OBVIOUSLY IMPACT FEES WOULD BE A GOOD USE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

PARKS IMPACT FEES.

WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHETHER IT COULD ALSO BE CONSIDERED A TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEE.

I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT WOULD BE LEGITIMATE, BUT WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT TO.

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I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT I REALLY LIKE THIS DIALOG AND THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION, MS..

SHERMAN, BECAUSE IT IS SHOWING TO ALL OF US THIS DYNAMIC THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE.

WHEN WE DO LOOK AT THE PARKS AND FACILITIES AND SEE THEIR REQUESTS, WE MIGHT SEE REDUNDANCY. THE GENTLEMAN FROM PARKS AND FACILITIES MAY VERY WELL PUT THE SAME BRIDGE ON THERE AND THEN WE'LL SAY, OKAY, WELL, WE ACTUALLY HAVE SYNERGY BETWEEN TWO DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE SAYING THIS. WE'LL LOOK AT THAT THEN.

BUT MISS BEAUCHAMP, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE? I JUST WANT TO CLARIFICATION ABOUT THE 3.5, BUT SHE EXPLAINED THAT IT'S MA'AM, ANYBODY ELSE ON THE RECREATION? ALL RIGHT. RISK.

WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT A GAME.

WHO WOULD LIKE TO KICK US OFF? YOU KNOW YOU. I MEAN, IT DIDN'T REALLY LOOK LIKE THEY WERE ASKING FOR MORE MONEY AS MUCH AS THEY WERE LOOKING TO SPREAD A CAUTIONARY TALE THAT THEY EXPECT THEIR EXPENSES TO GO UP RELATIVELY SIGNIFICANTLY AT 15% FOR THEIR INSURANCE COSTS.

PREMIUM EXPENSE IS CURRENTLY PROJECTED TO BE 1.3, AND I THINK IT TELLS US IN A PREVIOUS SLIDE WHAT IT WAS.

CURIOUS AS TO WHAT CAUSED THE.

DRAMATIC AMOUNT OF PROPERTY DAMAGE CLAIMS. HERE WE GO. MR. WHITE HAS A PROPERTY DAMAGE.

WHAT PAGE YOU, SIR.

LIABILITY INSURANCE DIVISION.

HISTORICAL FISCAL.

AND RELIABILITY CLAIMS. WE BUDGETED FOR $30,000, BUT THE ACTUAL WAS ACTUALLY ALMOST 51,000.

PROBABLY SURPRISED ME.

I'M CURIOUS IF. WELL, WE'LL GET WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ON THAT.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ONE OF THE LINE ITEMS THAT GETS USED FOR LIKE A LIKE A SETTLEMENT OF A CLAIM OR SOMETHING.

SO WE'LL WE'LL GET THAT DETAIL FROM THEM.

WELL. ALL RIGHT.

BEFORE WE MOVE ON FROM THIS ONE, REMEMBER, THESE ARE THESE ARE INFORMATIONAL OR TO HAVE THESE THROUGH OUR PROCESS, BECAUSE WE WILL SEE KIND OF IN A DIFFERENT FORM COME BACK AS WE SEE THE NUMBERS AND WHAT EVERYONE'S REALLY ASKING FOR.

WE HAVE DIRECTION, SO THAT IS RISK.

I HAVE ONE OTHER THERE, PLEASE.

I KNOW, BUT BUDGETS ARE NOT.

GUARANTEED, SO TO SPEAK.

BUT I'M REALLY CONFUSED BY EXECUTIVE SALARIES.

GOING $10,000 OVER BUDGET.

HOW THAT COULD HAPPEN.

EXACTLY. A SUSPICION, BUT WE'LL CLARIFY WITH THEM IS A FEW MONTHS AGO, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED AN INCREASE TO SOME OF THE SALARIES IN THE DEPARTMENT IN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S DEPARTMENT.

I'M WONDERING IF MAYBE THIS HAS NOT BEEN REFLECTED LIKE THE THE BUDGET AMENDMENT SHOULD HAVE ALREADY HAPPENED. SO IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN REFLECTED.

BUT WE'LL CHECK ON THAT.

THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT COMES TO MIND IS.

WHERE ELSE? ON RISK.

OH. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, SIR. PROCUREMENT.

YOU KNOW WHAT? I'LL MAKE IT.

I'LL MAKE IT A TRADITION.

I'LL JUST. I'LL JUST JUMP IN, AND THEN THIS WAY, EVERYBODY CAN GET QUEUED UP.

THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT I NOTICED THAT IT APPEARS AS THOUGH THIS DEPARTMENT FEELS OPTIMISTIC ABOUT THEIR PROSPECTS.

THEY HIGHLIGHTED WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT AND HOW MUCH MONEY THAT DOESN'T COST THEM, WHICH IS REALLY NICE IN A SEA OF MANY REPORTS THAT THAT FOLKS NEED A LOT OF MONEY.

SO NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THAT THEY'RE THINKING.

AND AGAIN, I GUESS A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, THEY SAY NO SIGNIFICANT VERY LAST PAGE, NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THE PROCUREMENT BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR.

I'M ASSUMING THEY MEANT TO WRITE 23.

THAT WAS MY ONLY THING ON PROCUREMENT.

BUT DID ANYBODY ELSE SEE ANYTHING THAT THEY WANTED CLARIFICATION ON? I REMEMBER IN THE PRESENTATION LAST YEAR, ONE OF THE BIGGEST QUESTIONS I HAD IS.

MAKING SURE OUR DOLLARS THAT THE CITY PAY OUT FOR WORKERS AND STUFF HAVE TO STAY IN THE COUNTY IN OUR CITY FIRST, OR ARE WE GOING OUT? BECAUSE ME BEING A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER, I GO FOR THOSE SAME JOBS AND I GET OUTBID BY

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ONLY WAY WE CAN GET BIGGER IS IF WE KNOW HOW.

THERE'S NO OUTREACH.

THERE HAVEN'T BEEN AN OUTREACH SINCE LAST YEAR.

SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE LITTLE CLINICS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

WELL, IF YOUR BUDGET IS NOT CHANGING, THEN YOU'RE NOT ADDING THAT TO IT.

SO THAT'S MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE GOING TO BE A CHANGE TO WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO TEACH THE SMALL BUSINESS PEOPLE THAT'S HERE IN YOUR CITY THAT WE EMPLOY, PEOPLE THAT'S IN THE CITY THAT'S GOING TO ACTUALLY KEEP MONEY IN OUR CITY TO LEARN HOW YOU EXPECT US TO PUT THOSE PROPOSALS TOGETHER AND IN ORDER FOR US TO ACTUALLY COMPETE.

AND AND I DON'T SEE IT ON HER LIST EITHER OF ANYTHING THAT WAS ADDED.

SO. SO I KNOW ON HER LAST PAGE, JULIET MOSCONI IS OUR CHIEF PROCUREMENT OFFICER.

SHE HAD A REFERENCE TO THE VENDOR OUTREACH EVENTS.

SO WE DID START THOSE DURING THE COVID TIMES, AND MOST OF WHAT WE WERE DOING WAS VIRTUAL, UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE OBVIOUSLY WOULD PREFER FACE TO FACE.

SO WE DID. EXCUSE ME, WE DID LIVE TRAINING EVENTS VIA LIKE FACEBOOK.

WE DID SOME WITH THE CHAMBER.

WE ALSO RECORDED SHORT VIDEOS EXPLAINING HOW TO HANDLE AND PARTICIPATE IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE PROCESS. AND THOSE ARE ALL IF YOU GO TO THE PROCUREMENT WEB PAGE TODAY, YOU'LL FIND ALL THOSE LIKE HOW TO LITTLE VIDEO SNIPPETS.

WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS VIRTUALLY TRY TO GET AS MUCH OUT THERE AS POSSIBLE TO FOLKS.

BUT COVID SET US BACK ON WHAT WE WANTED TO DO, WHICH WAS TO DO MORE IN-PERSON.

WE WANTED TO HAVE A I FORGET WHAT SHE CALLED IT, BUT AN EVENT LIKE HERE AT CITY HALL WHERE WE'D HAVE ALL THE DEPARTMENTS REPRESENTED AT TABLES AND OFFERED AT ANY BUSINESSES IN THE CITY, COME AND COME AND SEE US.

WE'LL TELL YOU WHAT KIND OF JOBS WE BID OUT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, HOW TO PLUG INTO THE PROCESS. BECAUSE LIKE YOU, WE WANT OUR LOCAL VENDORS TO BE AS SUCCESSFUL AS POSSIBLE.

SO. I KNOW SHE'S WORKING ON SCHEDULING A LOT OF THAT, AGAIN, LIKE THE IN-PERSON STUFF WE COULDN'T DO BEFORE.

SO ALL THAT IS DEFINITELY GOING TO BE COMING, BUT.

IN THE MEANTIME, ANY BUSINESS.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO HOW BIG, HOW SMALL.

IN PALM BAY WE WANT YOU TO BE SUCCESSFUL.

SO IF YOU NEED.

YOU WANT US TO SIT DOWN AND DO ONE ON ONES WITH YOU OR ANY BUSINESS OWNER, YOU JUST LET US KNOW. IS HER DEPARTMENT, UNDER JULIETTE'S LEADERSHIP, ALL ABOUT CUSTOMER SERVICE, ALL ABOUT MAKING SURE PEOPLE KNOW HOW TO BE SUCCESSFUL? AT THE END OF THE DAY. HOWEVER, THE BIDDING COMES IN AND IF BUSINESS IS BIGGER OUTSIDE THE CITY IS $100,000 CHEAPER THAN THE LOCAL, THAT THAT'S PROBABLY NOT SOMETHING WE CAN DO ANYTHING ABOUT. RIGHT? BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT THE DOLLARS AT THE END OF THE DAY.

BUT WE DEFINITELY WANT YOU ALL TO BE SUCCESSFUL, SO PLEASE LET US KNOW HOW WE CAN HELP YOU. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AT A FORMAL SETTING.

IT COULD BE. IT'S NOT PARTICULARLY ME, BECAUSE I KNOW PEOPLE THAT KNOW PEOPLE.

BUT THERE'S OTHER BUSINESSES THAT DON'T KNOW PEOPLE.

SO HOW ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHO TO GO TO? HOW THEY HOW ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO KNOW? BECAUSE THAT'S ONE THING SHE SAID, THAT YOU GUYS DON'T DO ANY OUTSIDE ADVERTISING OTHER THAN OUR WEBSITE.

MANY PEOPLE DON'T GO TO OUR WEBSITE.

SO THE THING IS, IT'S NOT ABOUT ME PERSONALLY.

IT'S ABOUT PEOPLE THAT ARE LIKE ME THAT DON'T KNOW WHO TO GO TO.

I KNOW TO GO TO MY COUNCILMAN I KNOW I SIT ON THE BOARD SO I KNOW WHERE TO GO.

THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE TO GO.

AND I'LL JUST ASK YOU THAT QUESTION.

IF SHE HAS ANY PLANS FOR THE FUTURE OF.

HAS ANY PLANS TO GO OUT.

I GUESS MAYBE STRATEGIES TOO.

LIKE WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON UPDATING OUR BUSINESS TAX RECEIPT DATABASE, WHICH IS AND TRYING TO GET CURRENT EMAIL ADDRESSES FOR FOLKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO MAYBE THERE'S A POSITION WE CAN PUT OURSELVES IN WHERE WE OUTREACH TO EVERYBODY THERE, LET THEM KNOW ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE COMING EACH YEAR, AND I'LL SUGGEST THAT TO HER AS WELL. SHE MAY HAVE REALLY THOUGHT OF THAT, BUT I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT.

AND TO THE END, IF SHE DOES, IT BECOMES THAT SHE NEEDS MONEY NOT TO SAY, COME AND START SPENDING MONEY THAT SHE DOESN'T NEED, BUT HEY, WHAT AN APPROPRIATE FORUM.

I THINK SHE'D HAD AN ADVOCATE ON THE BOARD.

ONE OR TWO, AT LEAST.

I HEARD SOME SOME STIR.

YES. MS.. CONLEY, PLEASE.

I'M LIKE THIS.

IS THAT I WOULD LIKE A SPECIAL EMPHASIS ON A PRESENTATION BECAUSE.

LAST YEAR, THE PICTURE THAT WAS PAINTED THAT THERE WERE NOT PAINTED BUT REPORTED THE DATA WAS THAT THERE WERE MANY CITY POSITIONS, DEPARTMENT POSITIONS, SOME HIGH LEVEL THAT.

SHE WAS HAVING DIFFICULTY FILLING.

SO I WOULD LIKE A REPORT OF HAVE THOSE BEEN FILLED AND.

HOPEFULLY SO. AND IF NOT, WHY NOT? AND I KNOW THE SAME CONCERN.

GO LOCAL, GO LOCAL, GO LOCAL.

AND YOU KNOW, SHE SAID THE DIFFICULTY THAT SHE'S TRIED AND THEN SHE EXPANDED THE REACH

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I'M VERY INTERESTED.

AND I DO REMEMBER, TOO.

WAS SHE NOT THE ONE THAT SHARED A POSITION? SHE DID. SHE DOES MORE THAN THIS.

HE HAD TWO HATS.

YEAH. SO I THINK SHE IS PROBABLY A VERY EFFICIENT PERSON TO I HEAR A LOT OF PRAISE FOR HER FROM HER FELLOW PEOPLE HERE.

AND, BUT.

I WANT TO.

I'M VERY INTERESTED IN THIS TOWN GROWING LOCAL.

SO CURRENTLY SHE ONLY HAS ONE VACANCY IN THE DEPARTMENT.

IF THAT WAS YOUR ORIGINAL PART OF YOUR QUESTION, WE WERE ABLE TO DEPARTMENT, YOU MEAN? YES. AND I'M TALKING ABOUT ALL DEPARTMENTS.

OKAY. WE CAN COVER THAT UNDER H.R.

OR NOW. YES, WHICHEVER.

BUT. THANK YOU.

AND JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU WERE YOU WERE ASKING MISS SHERMAN, HOW MANY VACANCIES OF DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS AND THINGS OF THE SORT THAT SHE HAS? YES. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HER RETURN WITH A SPECIAL AND EXTRA SPECIAL REPORT.

HOPEFULLY MORE POSITIVE ONE THAN LAST YEAR.

AND. AND MR. CHAIRMAN, PERHAPS WE COULD DO THAT IN THE SUBSEQUENT MEETING, BECAUSE I'M GOING TO ASSUME WE'VE GOT TO WORK OUR WAY THROUGH THIS DECK IN TIME.

AND I'M GOING TO ASSUME THAT ALL NINE OF THESE DEPARTMENTS HAVE DIRECTORS, THAT DIRECTORS SUBMITTED REPORTS.

EXCEPT FOR PUBLIC WORKS, WHICH.

YES. WELL, YES, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT.

DO WE HAVE THAT ONE? NOT YET.

NOT YET. RIGHT. BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR.

YEAH. SO, PROCUREMENT.

MR. WHITE, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ON PROCUREMENT, SIR? OKAY. GOOD.

GOOD. POLICE.

POLICE. I'LL DEFER TO THE BOARD BECAUSE I KNOW SOMEBODY WANTS TO GO FIRST.

I'M POLICE, BOJAN.

I REMEMBER IN HIS PRESENTATION BEFORE.

THEY WERE REALLY UNDERSTAFFED.

AND THE ONE THING I'M NOT HAPPY WHEN I SEE IS THE SALARIES ARE STILL LOW.

LIKE, TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST, BEING PAID THAT MUCH.

YOU CAN GO WORK AT MCDONALDS AND MAKE MORE MONEY AND HAVE LESS RISK BECAUSE RIGHT NOW MCDONALDS UP THERE WHERE IN ROCKLEDGE IS PAYING $17 AN HOUR AND WITH THE RISK THAT OUR POLICE OFFICERS TAKE TO MAKE STARTING SALARY, I THINK IT WAS 26,071.

BUT DID IT GO UP? YEAH. I'M GOING TO PULL IT RIGHT NOW IF YOU GIVE ME A SECOND.

LEAVE, FOR CONVERSATION'S SAKE, WHILE MS..

SHERMAN PULLS IT, THAT IT'S LIKE 40 SOMETHING.

BUT TO YOUR POINT, MA'AM, THAT IS NO BUT 40 SOMETHING FOR SOMEONE WITH EXPERIENCE I'M TALKING ABOUT SOMEONE WHO COMES STRAIGHT OUT OF THE ACADEMY IS 26.

SO NOW, BASED ON LAST YEAR'S UPDATE TO THE CONTRACT, THE STARTING SALARY FOR A POLICE OFFICER IS $42,771 ANNUALLY.

POLICE OFFICERS MAKE. I THINK THE LAST ONE.

SHOULD BE THE STARTING FOR ANYBODY WHO'S FULL TIME, NOT SOMEBODY THAT'S IN LIKE.

POLICE OFFICERS ARE WORKING TWO JOBS.

WELL, DON'T GET ME WRONG THAT I'M JUST.

I'M JUST. YEAH, NO, I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH YOU THAT.

THAT EVEN STARTING EMPLOYEES, STARTING AN EMPLOYEE AT 27,000, YOU CAN'T LIVE ON ANYWAY.

STARTING AN EMPLOYEE AT 42,000.

IN TODAY'S ECONOMY AND TODAY'S MARKET IS VERY, VERY DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO LIVE INDEPENDENTLY, THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO WORK TWO JOBS.

YEAH, NO QUESTION. BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT WHEN WE CAME TO THIS STARTING SALARY, THIS NEW STARTING SALARY, WE WERE COMPARING OURSELVES TO OTHERS.

SO THIS ACTUALLY PUT US WE HAVE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES, DIFFERENT CONTRACTS.

WE NEGOTIATE FOR BASIC POLICE OFFICER, AND THEN IT GOES UP THE RANKS.

BUT THIS PUT US AT THE TOP OF THE MARKET IN THE ENTIRE COUNTY.

AND ONE OF OUR BIGGEST COMPETITORS WAS THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, ACTUALLY.

SO THIS HAS BEEN REALLY HELPFUL TO US IN ACTUALLY RECRUITING SOME PEOPLE THAT LEFT TO GO TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE BECAUSE THEY WERE PAYING MORE.

SO THEY CAME BACK.

IT'S NOT PERFECT. I MEAN, IN A PERFECT WORLD, I PAY EVERYBODY LOTS OF MONEY BECAUSE I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

BUT. I DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TREE.

I WISH I DID SO. THAT'S ALL I HAD AS FAR AS THE SALARY.

DOWN HERE. SO YOU GUYS READY? GO AHEAD. YES, I WANTED TO.

I'M LOOKING AT THE BUDGET AND I'M TRYING TO SEE WHERE THE CIVIL FORFEITURE MONEY IS LISTED, LIKE WHAT CAME IN LAST YEAR.

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SO WHAT'S BEING REFERRED TO AS THE LAW? IT'S THE LAW ENFORCEMENT TRUST FUND OR ETF.

YOU'LL HEAR US TALK ABOUT THAT AT COUNCIL SOMETIMES SO WE CAN GET THAT FOR YOU.

WHEN YOU GET THAT REPORT, ARE YOU ABLE TO GET IT BY CATEGORY? LIKE WHAT WAS PROPERTY, WHAT WAS DRUG MONEY? WHAT WAS LIKE? DOES IT COME IN LIKE THAT OR LIKE, CAN YOU GET IT DETAILED? IT'S ALL LUMPED TOGETHER, BUT IF IT'S SEPARATED, I CAN GET THAT.

IF IT IS SEPARATED, I'LL GET IT THAT WAY FOR YOU.

BUT I HONESTLY DON'T THINK IT IS.

WE HAVE TO KEEP THE. IF IT IS, I WILL GIVE IT TO YOU THAT WAY.

WE ALSO HAVE TO SEPARATE OUT BY LIKE FEDERAL VERSUS STATE FUNDING THAT CAME IN FORFEITURE FUNDING. AND THE STATE HAS.

UH, CRITERIA WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THAT LIKE TELLS US A CERTAIN PERCENTAGES HAVE TO BE USED IN CERTAIN CATEGORIES, SO THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO PULL SOME OF THAT MORE DETAIL.

THANK YOU. AND YET AS OF RIGHT NOW.

OR YOU WANT IT AS OF.

BUT AS OF LAST YEAR.

YEAH. 2021. JUST THANK YOU.

JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, WE'RE GOING TO ASK FOR AN EXPANSION ON THE FORFEITURES TO THE POINT THAT WHAT WAS THE DOLLAR AMOUNT AND THE LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT WE CAN GET? YEAH, WHATEVER LEVEL OF DETAIL WE CAN GET.

THANK YOU FOR THAT. MS. CLINKSCALES THAT WOULD BE GREAT INFORMATION.

DOWN HERE. MISS CONNELLY WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING A LITTLE UNRELATED, AND THAT IS AT OUR NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH IS APRIL 21ST, STARTING AT 6:00, BUT STARTING AT 530, THEY ARE SWEARING IN OUR NEW POLICE CHIEF.

I THINK IT SAYS SOMETHING OR AS MANY OF US THAT CAN START BEING VISIBLE AT CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS, THEY HAVE ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND WHEN YOU GET TO MEET THESE PEOPLE.

KIND OF A PIECE OF PAPER.

AND FOR THEM TO KNOW THAT WE AS CITIZENS ARE THE ONES THAT.

SO THERE THE SUCCESS OF THEM FINANCIALLY.

SO I JUST WOULD LIKE TO.

WHAT, 530? FIRST. THURSDAY, BUT NEXT.

I ONCE MET THE FINANCE DIRECTOR THERE.

HE WAS AN OAK GUY ONCE.

MR. WHITE, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ON POLICE, SIR? I DON'T KNOW. HE'S GOT SOME CRAZY POLISH.

LAST NAME, MAN. I CAN'T EVEN SAY IT.

I THINK THE DIFFERENCE IS THE SPECIALTY UNITS, TOO, BECAUSE THERE ARE SUPERVISORS AND OFFICERS WHO ARE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY ON THE ROAD, THE MORE VISIBLE ONES.

BUT THEN THERE ARE OTHERS IN OUR SPECIALTY.

RIGHT PATROL. THANK YOU.

AND BUT THERE ARE OTHERS WHO ARE DOING BEHIND THE SCENES INVESTIGATIONS, DETECTIVE TYPE FOLKS WHO ARE SWORN SO THAT WE CAN GET YOU A FURTHER BREAKDOWN, THOUGH, IF YOU WANT TO SEE THE. MS..

SHERMAN, I HAD A POINT OF CLARIFICATION THAT I'M HOPING YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO BUTTON UP FOR ME AND TO MS..

CONLEY'S POINT SLIGHTLY OFF TOPIC, BUT IT'S IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

IT IS DEFINITELY GOING TO BE GREAT TO TO CELEBRATE OUR NEW CHIEF.

FIRST OF ALL, I NEED YOU TO PRONOUNCE HIS LAST NAME FOR ME BECAUSE I GOT MOYA DOWN.

HE ALWAYS GOT BUTCHERED TO MAYO.

I KNEW MOYA GOOD. AND I WANT TO SAY THIS ONE RIGHT EVERY TIME.

WHAT IS IT? A JELL-O.

A JELL-O? YES, MARIO.

A JELL-O. JELL-O.

CHIEF OF JELL-O. SO THERE WAS ALSO SOME OTHER SUBSEQUENT PROMOTIONS THAT THE THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ANNOUNCED.

AND WE HAVE COMMANDER FISHER KNOW NOW, COMMANDER SPEARS AND DEPUTY CHIEF FISHER, WHICH IS WONDERFUL. AND LIEUTENANT SPEARS AT THE TIME SERVED AS THE PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER.

CORRECT. SO IS THE PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER CURRENTLY VACANT YET TO BE FILLED OR IN PROCESS, ACTUALLY, BECAUSE HE WAS SO SUCCESSFUL IN SO COMMANDER SPEARS, BECAUSE HE WAS SO SUCCESSFUL IN THE OUTREACH TO THE PUBLIC AND OTHER COMPONENTS THAT RELATED TO JUST GENERAL COMMUNITY OUTREACH.

WE'VE WE'VE MOVED THAT WITH HIS PROMOTION.

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AND HE WAS HAPPY TO CARRY ON WITH THAT BECAUSE OF THE INVESTMENT HE'S MADE IN MAKING PROGRESS THERE. SO YES, AND HE'S DONE A WONDERFUL JOB IN OUR COMMUNITY AND THAT SHOULD BE COMMENDED. SO TO KEEP IT GERMANE TO US AS THE BUDGET PEOPLE ARE, WE ARE WE DO WE NEED TO MOVE ANY MONEY FOR HIM OR ARE WE FINANCIALLY COMPENSATING HIM EVEN FURTHER IN HIS NEW POSITION? OR IS HE DOING THAT OUT OF THE THE THE GRACE OF HIS HEART? I KNOW HE WOULD. I KNOW HE WOULD.

BUT NO. IS THERE GOING TO BE SOME MONEY MOVES? YES. YEAH. AND THOSE MEMOS ARE ACTUALLY IN PROCESS BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO AVOID SITUATIONS WE'VE BEEN IN HISTORICALLY WITH WHAT WE CALL COMPRESSION, WHERE SUDDENLY YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY AT A COMMANDER LEVEL AND BECAUSE THEIR PAY DIDN'T GET ADJUSTED, THEN YOU'VE GOT MAYBE A LIEUTENANT WHO'S MAKING MORE THAN THEY ARE, AND THAT DOESN'T SIT WELL WITH FOLKS.

SO YEAH, EVERYONE'S GETTING AN ADJUSTMENT AS NEEDED.

AND SO THOSE ADJUSTMENTS WILL TAKE PLACE IN STRIDE IN THIS FISCAL YEAR, THREE ONE DAYS IN A FUN AND WE'LL SEE THEM IN THE NEW BUDGET TO CARRY ON.

ACTUALLY THE WAY THOSE WORK IS THEY DON'T COME THROUGH ON DESIGNATED FUND BALANCE BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH VACANCIES.

I DON'T LIKE TO SAY ENOUGH, I DON'T LIKE VACANCIES, BUT WE'VE HAD VACANCIES.

SO THERE'S SALARIES THAT ARE UNSPENT IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BUDGET, SO THAT MONEY IS USED TO COVER THOSE FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR, THOSE INCREASES.

AND THEN TO YOUR POINT, WE BUILD IT INTO THE NEW YEAR BUDGET.

I. ALL RIGHT.

WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

AND, YOU KNOW, CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL OF THOSE GENTLEMEN AND THANKS TO THEM FOR WHAT THEY DO FOR US. MR. WHITE.

LINE ITEM DETAILS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? PROBABLY, YEAH. YOU.

OKAY. THAT'S FAIR. DO YOU WANT.

SO WHAT WE WOULD PROBABLY GIVE YOU IS JUST A STRAIGHT PRINTOUT FROM OUR FISCAL SYSTEM.

DO YOU WANT THE CURRENT YEAR BUDGET WITH EXPENDITURES TO DATE? IS THAT WHAT YOU'D BE LOOKING FOR? OR YOU WANT SOMETHING FROM LAST YEAR, FOR EXAMPLE? FOR THE FULL YEAR.

EVERY TIME THE BRAND.

VARIETY, SO TO SPEAK.

SOUNDS LIKE. YOUR QUESTION WAS THE WHY, RIGHT? SO THAT'S THAT KIND OF VEHICLE IS WHAT WE USE FOR SWAT CALLOUTS.

OUR CURRENT SWAT VEHICLE IS I DON'T KNOW, IT'S IT'S OLD.

IT'S IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN IT GO IN.

HAS ANYBODY SEEN IT? SO THE PRIMARY ONE WE USE DOESN'T HAVE IS NOT BIG ENOUGH FOR THE NUMBER OF STAFF THAT WE HAVE ON SWAT.

SO THERE'S ONE PROBLEM THERE, BUT IT'S ALSO.

IT'S AN OLD MILITARY PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT WAS OUTFITTED AS A SWAT VEHICLE.

SO IT'S IT'S NOT THE MOST.

IT'S VERY CUMBERSOME TO DRIVE THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS.

WE'VE ACTUALLY ALMOST TAKEN OUT AREAS IN HOA COMMUNITIES BEFORE WITH IT BECAUSE IT'S JUST IT GOES REALLY SLOW AND IT'S JUST IT'S ANCIENT AND NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.

THAT'S THE SHORT STORY.

IT'S KIND OF LIKE A TANK. EXACTLY.

BUT WHEN YOU NEED THE TANK TO GO FASTER AND IT CAN ONLY GET TO A CERTAIN SPEED.

SO. SO, YEAH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ACTUALLY POTENTIALLY COMING TO COUNCIL FOR ARPA FUNDING FOR THAT AS WELL BECAUSE THAT'S NOT SOMETHING IT'S BEEN HARD TO FUND THAT IN THE NORMAL BUDGET BECAUSE IT'S SUCH AN EXPENSIVE ITEM AND WE'VE LOOKED FOR GRANTS BUT HAVEN'T FOUND ANY YET. THAT WOULD BE POTENTIAL.

SO WE'LL SEE. BUT THEY'VE MENTIONED THAT TO ME FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS NOW.

SO. BUT TO DOVE TOO FAR INTO VEHICLES.

BUT SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT VEHICLES, POLICE DEPARTMENT JUST SHARED ON THEIR SOCIAL MEDIA THAT THEY GOT A NEW VAN.

HAPPENS TO BE A FORD, WHICH I ALWAYS GET EXCITED ABOUT.

WHAT IS THAT? THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY ALREADY PAID FOR AND EVERYTHING.

BUT WHAT IS IT FOR? IS IT LIKE A CSI TYPE OF THING OR.

ICE CREAM TRUCK.

IS IT AN ICE CREAM TRUCK? IS THAT LITERALLY MIGHT BE.

IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? YEAH, I DON'T KNOW WHICH POST, BUT YEAH.

SO IMPACT FEE FUNDS.

NO. WAS IT ETF OR IMPACT FEE? IT WAS ETF. SO ANYWAY, COMMUNITY OUTREACH VEHICLE.

SO THEY'RE OUTFITTING IT AS AN ICE CREAM TRUCK.

THEY'RE BEING VERY CREATIVE.

I CAN'T GIVE YOU THE FULL REVEAL ON WHAT IT'S GOING TO SAY ON THE SIDE OR YEAH, THEY'RE BEING ALL MYSTERIOUS.

I WAS TRYING TO GET THE INSIDER PLUG.

NOW ALL THE CITIZENS THAT TAKE THE TIME OUT OF THEIR DAY TO WATCH THE CITIZENS BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD ARE GOING TO KNOW WHAT THOSE OFFICERS ARE UP TO BEHIND THE SOCIAL MEDIA.

IT'S GOING TO IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY COOL.

IT'S GOING TO BE A FUN COMMUNITY OUTREACH VEHICLE.

YEAH, THAT WARMS MY HEART EVEN EVEN MORE THAN HERE.

AND THAT WE'RE DESTINED TO GET A TANK, WHICH WE DO NEED THAT REALLY DOES KNOW.

SO PLEASE. ANYTHING ELSE?

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WE'LL KICK IT OFF BY SAYING I WAS SURPRISED TO SEE THEIR THEIR BUDGET JUST DOLLARS AND CENTS WISE. IT WAS INTERESTING.

IT'S WENT UP. I SEE.

TO ME PERSONALLY, THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE.

A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, I WAS LOOKING FOR MS..

SHERMAN POTENTIALLY FOR FIRST PAGE IN, SO TO SPEAK, NOT THE TITLE SLIDE, BUT AT THE BOTTOM OF IT. CITYWIDE STAFF COUNT 823.

FULL TIME EMPLOYEE COUNT 13.

WHAT WE'RE EMPHASIZING HERE IS THAT THE IT DEPARTMENT IS 13 PEOPLE STRONG TAKING CARE OF 800 AND SMALL BUT MIGHTY TEN MORE PEOPLE.

OKAY, WE'RE JUST REFRAMING THE SIZE OF THE DEPARTMENT WITH THAT STATISTIC.

AND THEN THE OTHER POINT OF CLARIFICATION I MIGHT ASK FOR IS THE LAST SHEET OF PAPER, SO TO SPEAK. THE ORGANIZATIONAL CHART NETWORK OPERATIONS MANAGER AND INFORMATION SECURITY ANALYSTS ARE NOTED AS NEEDS WITH RED DOTS, AND THEN THEY'RE MENTIONED IN THE PRIORITIES.

BUT THEN I THOUGHT ON THE ITEMIZED LIST THAT THEY WERE SOMETHING THAT WE DID.

WHAT DID WE DO? WE DID KNOW WE DID A DATABASE ADMINISTRATOR.

SO NEVER MIND. SO, YES, SO NEED IS THAT THAT HE NEEDS TO FILL THOSE POSITIONS OR IS THAT THAT HE NEEDS TO CREATE THOSE POSITIONS WITH SOME FUNDS HE IS REQUESTING TO CREATE THEM AND HAVE THE FUNDING FOR THEM NEW POSITIONS.

SO THEN I WOULD ASK WHAT'S HE THINKING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO COST.

IS THAT WHEN WE DO FLIP TO THE VERY LAST PAGE, BUDGET PRIORITIES.

PRIORITY ONE IS THE NETWORK OPS MANAGER, PRIORITY TWO INFORMATION SECURITY ANALYST, AND THEN THREE IS THE FINANCIAL SYSTEM, WHICH I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT LAST YEAR AS A BOARD.

COSTS ON THOSE THREE WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL IN THE IN THE PROCESS.

GET THAT FOR YOU. RIGHT.

EXACTLY, EXACTLY.

ANYBODY ELSE. HERE, MR. WHITE.

WE CAN DEFINITELY GET YOU MORE INFORMATION ON ON THAT.

SOMETHING THAT'S NOT IN HERE.

BUT IT'S IT'S IMPORTANT PROBABLY TO REFERENCE.

AND WHEN YOU SEE THE THE BUDGETS, THE DOLLAR VALUE OF THE BUDGET GOING UP, THAT'S FROM TWO THINGS. IT'S IN PART BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO ADD LIKE A LITTLE POSITION HERE OR THERE BECAUSE THIS DEPARTMENT IS NOT GROWN IN RECENT YEARS, BUT IT'S ALSO ACTUALLY BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN IMPROVING OUR SECURITY POSITION.

AND I WILL HAVE OUR I.T.

DIRECTOR, BRIAN ROBINSON, PROVIDE US WITH SOME OF THAT'S IN THE BUDGET DOCUMENTS FROM BEFORE. BUT WE CAN SUMMARIZE IT FOR YOU AND SUBMIT IT TO YOU, BECAUSE THE NUMBER OF THINGS THAT HE AND THE TEAM HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO TO IMPROVE OUR SECURITY POSITION IS QUITE PHENOMENAL.

AND I'M VERY PROUD OF WHAT THEY'VE DONE AND SOME OF THE THINGS WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT, BUT WE'LL GIVE YOU A HIGH LEVEL.

SO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I'M MOST EXCITED ABOUT, TRULY, AND I'VE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE, IS WE NOW HAVE A DISASTER RECOVERY SITE SO WE CAN RUN ALL OF OUR EVERYTHING, THE ENTIRE SYSTEM.

IF THIS BUILDING GOES DOWN, WHICH IS WHERE EVERYTHING IS HOUSED, WE CAN RUN IT.

SEAMLESSLY, ESSENTIALLY, WHICH IS PRETTY COOL.

YOU. MA'AM, IS CONLEY.

ON THE PRIORITY NEEDS FINANCIAL SYSTEM ERP REPLACEMENT.

YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT REFERS TO AN ENTERPRISE PRODUCT TYPE.

SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HTC.

OR SUNGARD HD OR WHATEVER NAME WE'VE USED.

WE'VE HAD THE SAME SYSTEM THERE.

YOU MIGHT WANT TO EXPOUND ON THIS BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S EXCITING TO OH, WE'VE HAD THE SAME SYSTEM SINCE LIKE 1990 SOMETHING A VERY ANTIQUATED SYSTEM.

I, I LOVE TO DESCRIBE IT AS I HAVE TWO MONITORS ON MY DESK.

I HAVE TO SHOW UP ON ONE SCREEN HERE AND ON MY OTHER SCREEN.

PONG SHOWS UP ON THE OTHER ONE.

THAT TELLS YOU HOW OLD THE SYSTEM IS.

REMEMBER WHAT? YOU HAVE TO USE PFCS FOR EVERYTHING.

FUNCTION KEYS ARE YOUR FRIENDS.

SO YOU REMEMBER PONG?

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YEAH, IT'S A GREEN SCREEN.

IT'S DOS, IT'S ANCIENT.

SO THE ERP, I MEAN, IT'S ESSENTIALLY THAT'S WHAT RUNS THE VAST MAJORITY OF ALL OF OUR SYSTEMS. SO IT'S OUR OUR FINANCIAL SYSTEM, OUR PAYROLL SYSTEM, YOUR UTILITIES, BILLING SYSTEM, PROCUREMENT.

SO EVERYTHING REALLY WORK ORDERS.

IT ALL RUNS IN THIS OLD SLUGGISH.

HAD A BALL WITH NOTHING.

CORRECT. IT RUNS NO REPORTS THAT IT GIVES YOU NO TOTALS.

YOU HAVE TO DO ALMOST EVERYTHING MANUALLY.

LIKE WE HAD A DISCUSSION, SIR, A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO.

WHEN YOU WERE ASKING FOR SOMETHING, I WOULD HAVE TO RUN SOMETHING MANUALLY.

AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT SYSTEM TO RUN.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE MOVING FORWARD INTO THE 21ST CENTURY.

WE'RE GOING TO GET A GREAT SYSTEM, WE HOPE.

IN FACT. NO, WE WILL.

HOW LONG IT TAKES TO GET IT.

WE'RE DEVELOPING A.

VERY GOOD IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AND.

TAKING OUR TIME AND WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE WE DO IT RIGHT.

SORRY I'D LEFT THAT ON WHEN THAT PICTURE OF WHAT YOU WANT TO BE GOING WITH STARTS TO SOLIDIFY A LITTLE BIT, THAT'S WHEN WE'LL GET SOME ESTIMATES AS FAR AS HOW MUCH THE COST WOULD BE. WELL, WE ALREADY HAVE SOME COST ESTIMATES.

WE TOOK AN ITEM TO COUNCIL TO REQUEST FUNDING BE SET ASIDE OUT OF ARPA AGAIN.

THIS WAS LAST YEAR.

WHAT DID WE SET? DID WE DO TWO? WE SET 2 MILLION ASIDE BECAUSE STAFF HAD LOOKED AT WHAT OTHER WOULD IT COST OTHER CITIES TO PROCURE THOSE KINDS OF ENTERPRISE WIDE CITYWIDE SOFTWARE.

WE'RE ACTUALLY COMING BACK TO ASK FOR MORE, UNFORTUNATELY, OUT OF ARPA FUNDING TO COVER THAT BECAUSE WE'VE ALSO FOUND THAT.

FAMILIAR MAY NOT BE ENOUGH TO DO ALL OF THE BECAUSE THERE'S DIFFERENT IN RIGHT NOW WE HAVE DIFFERENT MODULES HANDLING DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS.

IF YOU WANT THE SYSTEM THAT HANDLES ALL THE MODULES, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PROBABLY PAY MORE THAN THE TWO. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THREE PROBABLY.

PLUS, WE FOUND THAT CITIES THAT HAD THE GREATEST SUCCESS IN IMPLEMENTING AND TRANSITIONING TO THE NEW SYSTEM ALSO HAD AN OUTSIDE COMPANY HELPING GUIDE THAT.

LIKE A CONSULTANT, ESSENTIALLY.

BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A LABOR INTENSIVE STAFF.

TIME TO GO THROUGH AN ENTIRE CITYWIDE CONVENTION.

I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE HOW THAT'S GOING TO GO, BUT IT'S GOING TO PROBABLY TAKE US A COUPLE OF YEARS TO WORK THROUGH THE WHOLE THING.

SO OUR GOAL IS TO GET THE REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS OUT THIS YEAR AND THEN GIVE US A COUPLE OF YEARS TO GET THAT ALL DONE AND WE'LL BE WORKING ON SOMETHING, NOT ON BASED OR WHATEVER. SO 2 MILLION IS ALREADY SET ASIDE THEN, BUT WE JUST MIGHT NEED AN EXTRA.

SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH.

THAT 2 MILLION IS FROM THE RPA.

AND MY CONCERN IN HAS BEEN FROM LAST YEAR.

PRIORITIES DID NOT GET BUDGETED.

SO IN THIS ONE, I DON'T SEE HOW IT NOT.

AND BUDGET.

I MEAN, THERE'S NO WAY TO SAY NO.

IT'S WELL, MANY THINGS.

PRIORITIES. THAT'S THE STRUGGLE WITH THIS.

I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY NO.

WELL, AT LEAST. AT LEAST FOR THAT ONE.

WE KNOW THE FUNDING IS ALREADY AVAILABLE IN ARPA.

COUNCIL'S ALREADY GIVEN THEIR BLESSING FOR THAT INITIAL INVESTMENT IN IT, SO OPTIMISTIC THAT THEY'D SUPPORT CONTINUING TO MAKE SURE WE FUND IT PROPERLY.

BUT THE GOOD THING IS WE DON'T WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO REALLY FIND NEW MONEY TO COVER BECAUSE ONCE YOU THIS IS ABOUT IMPLEMENTING AND BUYING THE SYSTEM AND THEN YOU'VE GOT TO PAY EVERY YEAR FOR THE MAINTENANCE ON IT AND THE LICENSES, WHATEVER ELSE.

THE GOOD NEWS IS WE ALREADY PAY FOR THAT ON OUR CURRENT SYSTEM.

SO THE HOPE AND THE EXPECTATION IS THAT THE CURRENT FUNDING THAT WE HAVE, I MEAN, I'M SURE THERE'S GONNA BE SOME CHANGE, BUT THE BULK OF THE CURRENT FUNDING WE PAY FOR HD MAINTENANCE GETS ROLLED INTO THE COST FOR THAT NEW ONE.

SO WE DON'T HAVE TO THEN FIND A WHOLE BUNCH OF ADDITIONAL MONEY FOR THE MAINTENANCE THAT'S CURRENTLY WHERE WE'RE AT.

BUT. THE REST TONIGHT, NOT SLEEP.

BUT HE ALSO FOUND IT.

ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT ONE WE HAVE IT'S FINANCE.

JUMP. I'LL JUMP IN.

THE VERY LAST PAGE THAT'S PRINTED IS OUR DEBT MANAGEMENT HIGHLIGHTS DEBT SERVICE, FISCAL YEARS 19 THROUGH 22.

7.5 MILLION 15 MILLION, 16.7 14.3 SUPPORT.

HOW CAN YOU PLEASE FRAME THAT A LITTLE BIT FOR US? MAKE US UNDERSTAND WHY OUR DEBT SERVICE OBLIGATIONS DOUBLED BETWEEN 19 AND 20.

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THAT'S US PAYING ON THAT DEBT SPECIFICALLY.

AND IN FACT, IN.

FOR FOR PLANNING PURPOSES THE NEXT TIME WE GO OUT IN.

WHAT YEAR WE'RE GOING TO GO OUT TO GET THE NEXT $50 MILLION BONDS OR THE ROAD BONDS, IT WILL INCREASE AGAIN.

GOTCHA. SOMETHING TO BE PLANNING FOR.

SO MY CORRECT IN SUMMARIZING THAT THIS IS SIMPLY A HIGHLIGHT OF OF THE DEBT WE NEED TO SERVICE MECHANICALLY.

WE SUMMARIZE IT AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE MOVING.

YES, SIR. THANK YOU.

IT'S TO SIMPLIFY IT EVEN, EVEN MORE.

YOU KNOW, WE GO OUT WITH BOND COUNSEL, WE LOOK AT THE DEBT SERVICE, WE LOOK AT THE INTEREST RATES ON A CONTINUOUS BASIS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THE BEST INTEREST RATES POSSIBLE.

THE NEXT TIME WE CAN ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING WITH OUR BONDS IS IN 2024 TO POTENTIALLY PAY THEM OFF OR DO SOMETHING WITH THEM TO REFINANCE.

SEE LOOKING AT THEM. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD ON FINANCE? WHITE. NOTICE THAT THE PERSONNEL SERVICES BUDGET SUMMARY PAGE.

HE. SCHOOL YEAR 2022 APPROVED BUDGET ABOUT $100,000 LOWER THAN THE 2020.

ACTUALS AND EVEN.

EVEN LOWER THAN THE FISCAL YEAR 2021 ACTUALS.

I GUESS A LITTLE MORE CONTEXT THERE.

I LOVE WHEN THINGS COST LESS, BUT THERE'S USUALLY A REASON.

AT RETIREMENT, WE HAD TWO RETIREMENTS.

WE HAD THREE RETIREMENT TAKING POSITIONS.

FURTHER ON FINANCE.

IN THAT SERVICES.

I WAS GOING TO GO TO THAT SERVICE.

MY RESERVES AREN'T THAT HIGH.

MY DEBT SERVICE ISN'T THAT HIGH EITHER.

SO I'M BLESSED FIRST, I SUPPOSE.

CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.

IT'S TOO HOT SEATS.

TOO HOT SEATS.

I WILL I WILL ASK ON THE VERY LAST PAGE OF BUDGET PRIORITIES.

THERE IS A HIGHLIGHT OF MILLAGE RATE AND 3% CAP PLUS NEW CONSTRUCTION VALUES WHICH BRING AN AWFUL CIRCLE. AND I THINK THAT'S THE CONVERSATION THAT WE WERE HAVING WHEN WE DOVE INTO ARPA IS I THINK YOU WERE ALLUDING TO NEW CONSTRUCTION AND POTENTIALLY THE FACT THAT THINGS ARE COMING. IS THAT THE SAME CONVERSATION THAT THIS BULLET POINTS MEANT TO HIGHLIGHT, WHETHER IT IS OR NOT? CAN YOU MAYBE EXPAND ON THAT BULLET POINT OF MILLAGE RATE AND 3% PLUS.

THANK YOU. YES, SIR. SO.

ESSENTIALLY, I THINK WHERE I WAS GOING IN THE EARLIER COMMENT WAS TO DISCUSS WHERE WE'RE AT IN TERMS OF A GENERAL FINANCIAL PICTURE.

SO BECAUSE THE WAY OUR CHARTER READS IN TERMS OF HOW WE TAKE IN OUR ANNUAL.

YOU KNOW, OUR NEW REVENUE.

THE FIRST YEAR OF NEW CONSTRUCTION.

WE CAN TAKE THAT VALUE UNCAPPED FOR LACK OF A BETTER WAY TO SAY IT, SO IT DOESN'T FALL IN THAT 3% CALCULATION.

IT'S THE EXISTING PROPERTY VALUES, VALUES THAT GET THAT APPLY THE MILITARY TO IT.

THOSE GET DROPPED DOWN UNDER THE 3%.

REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE VALUES OF THE PROPERTIES GONE UP.

SO MY POINT, I THINK THAT I WAS TRYING TO GET TO EARLIER WAS JUST TO SAY, BECAUSE WE'RE SEEING THE BOOM THAT WE'RE SEEING PRESENTLY.

YOU CONSTRUCTION IS HAS HAS BEEN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS SHOWING GOOD SIGNS OF HEALTH.

WE EXPECT THAT AGAIN THIS YEAR WITHOUT ANY QUESTION.

DRIVE DOWN ANY STREET AND SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING.

SO THAT'S THAT'S ONE POSITIVE FOR THE FOR THE CITY PROPERTY VALUES AS A WHOLE COUNTY WIDE HAVE BEEN GOING UP. SO WE KNOW THERE WILL BE SOME MOVEMENT THERE.

SO WE I'M I'M CONFIDENT AND OPTIMISTIC, I GUESS THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO OUR MILLAGE RATES AND CHECK IS ALWAYS A GOOD GOAL.

SO FOR THE NEXT TWO, EVEN THREE YEARS, POTENTIALLY.

IF I'M NOT, I DON'T MEAN TO BE NEGATIVE, BUT IF TODAY A CRASH HAPPENED FINANCIALLY AND JUST EVERYTHING WENT. USUALLY IT TAKES A COUPLE OF BUDGET CYCLES FOR THAT TO FULLY IMPACT THE CITY. SO THE MOMENT WE KNOW WE CAN START TO SHIFT PRIORITIES AND MAYBE MAKE SOME SERIOUS DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT GETS FUNDED AND WHAT DOESN'T GET FUNDED.

INTERIM, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO USE THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION FUNDING AS OUR PRIMARY SOURCE OF NEW REVENUE.

WE TRY TO DEAL WITH THOSE PRIORITIES THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER.

THE OTHER PRIORITIES COUNCIL WANTS US.

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DEAL WITH OUR CAPITAL NEEDS.

WE'VE ALSO TALKED A LITTLE DIFFERENT STRATEGY, ACTUALLY, LARRY, AND I'VE TALKED ABOUT WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING AT THE END OF EACH.

BUDGET YEAR BECAUSE AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, WE WILL HAVE VACANCIES AND PERSONNEL, FOR EXAMPLE. SO. THE CURRENT TREND IN THE LAST FEW YEARS HAS BEEN.

FISCAL YEAR. YOU HAVE NOT SPENT ALL OF THE FUNDING THAT WAS DEDICATED FOR THAT BUDGET YEAR, SO THAT MONEY DROPS BACK DOWN.

ON BALANCE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT YOU'RE GOING TO GET YOUR ESTIMATES AND.

BE CLOSER TO THE REAL END OF THE FISCAL YEAR, WHICH IS SEPTEMBER 30TH.

WE'LL KNOW MORE PRECISELY WHERE WE'RE AT.

THAT'S ALL CONTINGENT ON NO HURRICANES BECAUSE THAT CAN BLOW THE PERSONAL BUDGET OUT OF THE WATER IN A SECOND. BUT ASSUMING WE'RE STILL IN THAT PLACE AT THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PRE DISCUSSING THAT WITH COUNCIL ABOUT USING SOME OF THAT FUNDING FOR THE CAPITAL NEEDS.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN HAVING IT SORT OF LATER IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

MAYBE DOING THAT EARLIER ON AND GETTING INITIAL BLESSING FROM COUNCIL.

IF WE HAVE SUCH AND SUCH AN AMOUNT LEFT AND HERE'S OUR LIST OF PRIORITIES, WOULD YOU ALLOW US TO FUND THOSE IN THE BUDGET? SO WE'RE WE'RE TALKING THROUGH THE MECHANICS OF DOING THAT.

SO IT JUST KIND OF SPEEDS UP THE PROCESS TO GET THINGS ORDERED.

LIKE, RIGHT NOW, WE KNOW HOW LONG IT TAKES TO GET VEHICLES TO SHOP AROUND OR ORDER THEM.

SO. FORD SHORT TERM PROJECTION AS WE APPROACH THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR ALMOST THERE LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS MUCH.

IT'S CLOSE. WE FEEL CONFIDENT ABOUT THAT.

SO FINAL BUDGET.

AND. PROBABLY THE FINAL BUDGET AMENDMENT OF THE FISCAL YEAR.

IF THAT MONEY PROBABLY WOULD BE MORE LIKE A FIRST BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR THE NEW FISCAL YEAR, BECAUSE ONE OF OUR RULES WE HAVE TO LIVE BY IS IF YOU'RE GOING TO ORDER CAPITAL, YOU HAVE TO HAVE RECEIVED IT WITHIN THE YEAR THAT YOU ORDER IT.

SO WE CAN'T LIKE IF I ORDERED A CAR IN SEPTEMBER AND I COULDN'T GET IT FOR FOUR MONTHS OR FIVE MONTHS, I COULDN'T DO THAT.

BUT YEAH. AND THEY'RE FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE THAT WE SUMMARY THAT WE HAVE HERE.

IT'S COMMONLY. PLEASE.

I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THESE NUMBERS.

FRONT PAGE.

SECOND TO LAST SHEET OF PAPER, THE BACK SIDE OF THE PAGE, WHAT I WOULD CALL ACCOUNT NUMBERS. BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THOSE ARE ACTUALLY ACCOUNT NUMBERS.

I JUST THAT'S JUST MY ASSUMPTION.

BUT IT SAYS 1210 TOTAL BUDGET AND 1216 TOTAL BUDGET.

YEAH, I'M SORRY.

THOSE ARE OUR DEPARTMENT DIVISION NUMBERS.

IT'S. IT'S OUR OUR NUMBERING SYSTEM IN.

RIGHT. SO YOU'RE SPEAKING IN CODE? YES. I'M SORRY.

IT IS CODE. YES. SO I KNEW EXACTLY WHAT THAT'S WHAT I FIGURE.

RIGHT. 12 IS A DEPARTMENT AND THEN THE TEN AND 16 IS WHICH ONE.

SO YEAH. WHAT ARE THOSE? THAT'S WHAT MS.. CONNELLY WANTS TO KNOW.

SO 12 IS THE DEPARTMENT CODE FOR CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.

TEN IS FOR ESSENTIALLY ADMINISTRATIVE GROUP, AND THEN 16 IS OUR PUBLIC INFORMATION GROUP COMMUNICATIONS. WHO? I'M MISSING THAT.

MY APOLOGIES.

IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE MISSED SOMETHING ON OUR FTE COUNT.

YOU ARE CORRECT.

JUST DOUBLE CHECK. YEAH.

WHAT'S MISSING FROM THE LIST? DEPARTMENT BUDGET SUMMARY LISTS WITH THE 6.7 FTES LISTED HERE ON THAT PAGE.

THE ONE THAT IS MISSING IS THE ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER.

ONE THAT WAS RECENTLY APPROVED BY COUNCIL.

THAT WE HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN INTERVIEWS RECENTLY AND HAD SOME PHENOMENAL CANDIDATES FOR THE PERSON THAT'S GOING TO HELP WITH SUSTAINABILITY, AMONG OTHER THINGS.

SO VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

SO IT SHOULD BE 7.7 THE.

IS THERE A.

SEE ON YOUR BUDGET PRIORITY.

HIRING NEW PERSONNEL.

SO ARE YOU SAYING YOU'RE.

EDDIE WITH WHAT YOU'VE GOT? YES, WITH THE ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER.

THAT POSITION LONGER TERM, HAS THE POTENTIAL TO GROW INTO ANOTHER DEPUTY CITY MANAGER LONGER TERM. BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, WE'RE STARTING WITH ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER.

THE WORK ON A LOT OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS.

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SO EVEN IF I WANTED TO ADD SOMEONE, I DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO PUT THEM, WHICH IS A PROBLEM LARRY IS FAMILIAR WITH AS WELL.

HENCE THE NEED FOR BUILDING E THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AT SOME PAST COUNCIL MEETINGS.

THIS QUESTION. YOU HAVE A PLAN FOR HIRING A SUSTAINABILITY.

DEDICATED TO THAT.

LONG TERM, I COULD SEE US GETTING THERE.

I WOULD LOVE TO RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF JUST HOW WE'RE STRUCTURED.

IT'S THE ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER WHO WILL BE THE BOARD LIAISON WHO WILL TAKE ON ALL THE SUSTAINABILITY PROJECTS AND OTHER THINGS.

LONGER TERM, MY GOAL WOULD BE TO HOUSE MORE OF THE SUSTAINABILITY INITIATIVES IN THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.

AND THAT'S THE ONE DIRECTOR POSITION THAT WE STILL HAVE TO FILL.

SO WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT ONE WHEN WE GET THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR AND ASSISTANT PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR.

THOSE TWO KEY POSITIONS FILLED.

AND THEY'VE GOT THAT GOOD LEADERSHIP THERE.

WE'RE COMFORTABLE. WE CAN TRANSITION MORE RESPONSIBILITIES OUT TO THEM BECAUSE THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF SYNERGY THERE.

WHAT THEY DO. I THINK THERE WILL ALWAYS BE, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, ALWAYS BE A FOCUS IN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.

SOMEONE. MY OFFICE WHO'S GOT AN EYE FOR THAT CITY WIDE.

SO THAT'S MY CURRENT PLAN.

I KNEW YOU HAD A PLAN.

AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT.

THANK YOU FOR. 1216 WAS PUBLIC INFORMATION.

ADMINISTRATION, ITS DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.

ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF THERE.

AND ALSO THE WE HAVE.

STAFF WHO HANDLE THE SWITCHBOARD DOWNSTAIRS OR THE THE FRONT LOBBY OF THE CITY HALL ANNEX, THE WELCOMING FOLKS.

THERE'S TWO PART TIMERS THERE.

THEY'RE PART OF OUR TEAM. WE ALSO HAVE TWO PART TIMERS WHO DO MAIL COURIER SERVICE BASICALLY TO GO BETWEEN THE DEPARTMENTS.

BUT. THEY'RE DOING THAT.

SO THEY'RE PART OF THAT 1210 AS WELL.

AN IMPORTANT QUESTION.

SO IF ANYONE HAS AN IMPORTANT QUESTION.

HEAD, SIR. BAG ITEMS. TELL ME MORE.

THREE QUESTION SO PALM BAY LOGO ON HAND-SANITIZER BOTTLES, CITY MASKS, THINGS THAT WE TAKE TO COMMUNITY EVENTS, THINGS THAT WE GIVE OUT LIKE LITTLE ORIENTATIONS TO STAFF, THAT KIND OF THING. YOU'VE ALSO SEEN THE HASHTAG PALM BAY PROUD BUMPER STICKER TYPE THINGS OR WINDOW STICKERS. SO THAT'S WHAT WE REFER TO ON SWAG ITEMS. AND SOMETIMES WE'VE HAD LIKE.

EVENTS WHERE WE GO TO THE SCHOOLS OR WHATEVER.

AND MAYBE ONE YEAR I REMEMBER WE HAD LITTLE SUNGLASSES WITH PALM BAY ON THE SIDE, SO THINGS LIKE THAT. I SPENT A FEW YEARS IN BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT, SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH WHAT IT IS. I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THE TYPES OF ITEMS. SO YOU WERE KIND OF ANSWERING THAT QUESTION IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT.

SO I WAS STILL GETTING MY ANSWER.

SIR. YOU WILL COME INTO POSSESSION OF SOME PALM BAY POUNDS SUNGLASSES.

THAT'S. THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.

BUSTED ME THROUGH THEM AS A BOARD MEMBER.

YOU'LL GET. YOU'LL GET THEM. LOOK OUT FOR THAT ORIENTATION INVITE.

IT'S WORTH. IT'S WORTH THE GOODIE BAG TO SHOW UP.

PLUS, IT'S WORTH IT TO SEE THE PRESENT CITY MAYOR'S OFFICE.

ANYBODY ELSE? NO.

ALL RIGHT. POINT OUT THE TIME IT'S 814.

I ONLY HAVE TWO MORE OF THESE BAD BOYS, SO I'M THINKING WE PUSH THROUGH.

EVERYONE'S FEELING GOOD ABOUT THAT.

OKAY. SO COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, I WILL JUMP IN WHILE EVERYBODY KIND OF PREPARES, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

MISS SHERMAN. MY CONCERN WITH THE GRANT MONEY THAT COMES IN TO THE CITY AND SUBSEQUENTLY HOPEFULLY GOES OUT IS THAT I FEEL LIKE IT DOESN'T GO OUT ENOUGH.

SO I DRAW ATTENTION TO ABOUT MIDWAY THROUGH THE PACKET, THE SLIDE WITH THE LITTLE DOLLAR BILLS ON IT. SO IT'S THE SECOND SHEET OF PAPER FROM THE BACK HERE AND IT BREAKS US DOWN.

CDBG HOME, HOME SUPPLEMENTAL, SCHIP.

IT SAYS OUR UNEXPENDED FUNDS ARE 2.9 MILLION.

AND THEN IT SAYS OUR UNEXPENDED FUNDS, INCLUDING PRIOR YEARS, IS 7.5.

SO I'M DOING SOME SOME QUICK MATH, BUT ROUGHLY 4 MILLION IS HANGING OUT OR CARRYING OVER FROM SUBSEQUENT YEARS.

MECHANICALLY. HOW DO FOLKS IN NEED THAT QUALIFY FOR THIS HELP? GET WITH THE CITY? GET WITH THE COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.

HOW DO WE TURN THESE GRANT DOLLARS INTO THE EFFECT ON OUR COMMUNITY THAT WE WANT TO TURN

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HOW WHAT CAN WE DO TO DISPERSE IT BETTER? I SEE THERE'S SOME POSITIONS IN THE BUDGET PRIORITIES.

IS THAT WHERE THE DIRECTOR IS GOING WITH THIS IS THAT SHE NEEDS MORE STAFF TO GET THIS MONEY OUT. WHAT'S BEEN OUR HINDRANCE? THAT THE MONEY IS STILL THERE? WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I WILL HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU WITH AN ANSWER TO A QUESTION THAT I DON'T HAVE RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS, ARE THESE FUNDS THAT JUST HAVEN'T BEEN EXPENDED BUT ARE ALREADY DESIGNATED FOR SOMETHING? BECAUSE WE'VE DONE A NUMBER OF INITIATIVES TO ALLOCATE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE CDBG CV AND CV THREE FUNDING. WE'VE HAD A LOT OF.

YOU LOOK AT EITHER PAST COUNCIL MEETINGS OR CITIZEN KDB THIS IN.

A DEVELOPMENT DO THINK TO YES.

WHY CITIZEN TO WORK DEVELOPMENT ADVISORY BOARD.

IF YOU LOOK AT THEIR PAST WORK IN THE PAST SIX, EIGHT MONTHS, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF MONEY THAT'S BEEN ALLOCATED TO A LOT OF NONPROFITS OR A LOT OF WORK IN THE COMMUNITY.

SO I NEED TO FIND OUT, FIRST OF ALL, WHAT THAT 7.2 REPRESENTS IN TERMS OF ALREADY ALLOCATED OR JUST MONEY THAT WE DON'T HAVE TIED TO.

SO IN TERMS OF POSITIONS, WE HAVE TO BE VERY, VERY CAREFUL WITH FUNDING POSITIONS IN ANY OF THESE. SO WHAT WE ACTUALLY DID, BECAUSE THE CITY HAD SOME DIFFICULT TIMES HISTORICALLY WE'VE MOVED ALL OF THE PERSONNEL 100% INTO GENERAL FUND.

NO POSITIONS GET FUNDED OUT OF ANY OF THESE GRANT FUNDS ANY LONGER.

AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE PENNY DETAILS OF WHAT TIME THOSE STAFF MEMBERS ACTUALLY SPENT AND WHAT PROGRAMS THEN THAT CAN BE PROPERLY REIMBURSED FOLLOWING PROCEDURES WITH FORMS AND DOCUMENTS THAT GET VERIFIED BY THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND THIS WHOLE PROCESS.

SO THAT'S ONE THING.

THE SECOND THING IS THERE ARE SOME FUNDING.

AND I WILL I WILL HAVE STAFF BRING BACK A MORE DETAILED LIST OF WHAT'S WHAT THEY'RE STILL LOOKING AT FROM HISTORICAL TIME.

BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN LIKE THE CLEANUP WE DID WITH STAFFING.

THERE ALSO WERE A LOT OF EFFORTS, A LOT OF WORK THAT HAD TO GO INTO, FOR EXAMPLE, GOING BACK HISTORICALLY AND LOOKING AT SHIP FUNDS.

AND EVERY FISCAL YEAR WHERE WE RECEIVE MONEY.

THERE WAS A LOT OF WORK THAT HAD TO BE DONE TO BASICALLY GO BACK AND LOOK AND SEE WHERE ALL THE MONEY WAS SPENT, WHERE REVENUE ON THE PROGRAM INCOME WAS, WAS ACTUALLY PUT, WHAT YEAR WAS IT PUT IN? WAS IT THE RIGHT YEAR? SO THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF CORRECTIVE ACTIONS IN REALLY THE PAST TWO YEARS THAT NEWER STAFF TAKING ON THOSE PROGRAMS. I SAY ALL THAT TO SAY? BECAUSE OF THE WORK OF THE TEAM, THERE HAS BEEN MONEY THAT WAS HELD BACK BY THE STATE THAT HAS NOW BEEN RELEASED TO US.

SO MORE RECENTLY, CHIP IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT.

SO LET ME GET MORE DETAILS FOR YOU, I GUESS, RATHER THAN BELABOR IT AND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF PROGRAMS ACTUALLY THAT WE'RE STILL WORKING ON, CLEANING UP THE SHIP.

WE'VE WE'VE MADE AMAZING PROGRESS ON.

THAT'S THE MONEY THAT'S BEEN FREED UP.

SO THAT'S THAT'S PRETTY I THINK THAT'S SOLID.

NOW, THERE MAY BE SOME LITTLE THINGS THEY'RE STILL CLEANING UP, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THAT ONE'S GOOD. SAME WITH CDBG.

THEY'RE ACTIVELY WORKING ON HOME, THOSE OLD PROGRAMS, AS WELL AS ONE THAT'S CALLED IN ESP OR NEIGHBORHOOD STABILIZATION PROGRAM.

THOSE TWO ARE ACTIVELY IN WORK BY STAFF FOR THE HISTORICAL CLEANUP.

WE CAN GO FORWARD ON THEM.

THAT WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION TO SAY.

LET ME GET YOU MORE AND GET THE LIST FROM THE TEAM AND TELL YOU WHAT'S ACTUALLY ALLOCATED. AND ONE MORE THING.

WE HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION ON THE CITY WEBSITE UNDER COMMUNITY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTS.

IT TELLS YOU ABOUT ANY ACTIVE PROGRAMS WE HAVE TODAY THAT PEOPLE CAN APPLY FOR.

FUNDING OR NONPROFITS.

SO THAT'S UNDER THE HOUSING PROGRAMS SECTION OF THE WEBSITE.

JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION.

WE'LL GET YOU SOME MORE. THE TWO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.

FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT INFORMATION.

IS THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH ASPECT OF THESE PROGRAMS MEANT TO BE HOUSED WITHIN THIS DEPARTMENT OR DOES THAT PERMEATE AND EXTEND TO PUBLIC INFORMATION? DOES THAT GET ALL THE WAY TO INTO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE WHERE THAT PORTION OF COMMUNITY OUTREACH WHERE DOES THIS GO? THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH FOLKS IN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, THE PIO AND THE COMMUNITY INFORMATION COORDINATOR, THEY SERVE THEY SERVE AND SUPPORT ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS.

SO ABSOLUTELY.

WHEN WHEN COMMUNITY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS READY TO RELEASE TO THE PUBLIC, WE HAVE $1,000,000 AND IT'S FOR XYZ.

PLEASE APPLY THAT THEY ACTUALLY HELP SUPPORT ALL THAT OUTREACH TO THE PUBLIC.

WE DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO GET IN FRONT OF PEOPLE.

AND I ALWAYS HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS.

I ALWAYS SAY, IF YOU HAVE A NEW SUGGESTION FOR HOW WE CAN GET INFORMATION TO PEOPLE OPEN, PLEASE LET US KNOW. YES, MA'AM.

READY? IN REGARDS TO THIS.

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SO ARE WE TOUCHING ENOUGH FAMILIES? BECAUSE IN OUR CITY OUR POPULATION IS HIGH, ESPECIALLY FOR LIKE THE HOME RIGHT NOW, IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE INSURANCE COMPANY, A LOT OF THEM ARE NOT RENEWING A LOT OF PEOPLE BECAUSE THEIR ROOFS ARE OLDER THAN TEN YEARS.

ARE WE SENDING OUT INFORMATION TO HELP PEOPLE TO ASSIST THEM GETTING NEW RULES, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO SENIOR CITIZENS WHO ARE ON A FIXED INCOME? AND THEN YOU HAVE ALL THOSE ROOFERS GOING AROUND PRETTY MUCH TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THEM, AND THEN NOW THEY'RE BEING PUT OUT THEIR HOMES BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY FOR A ROOF THAT THEY NEVER COULD AFFORD IN THE FIRST PLACE.

IT AS FAR AS PUTTING INFORMATION OUT THERE, I'M A BUSINESS OWNER.

I GOT A LETTER FROM THE CITY.

THEY'RE GIVING OUT $10,000 GRANT FOR ME TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO MY BUSINESS.

I DIDN'T GET NOTHING AS A HOMEOWNER TELLING ME THAT THERE'S MONEY AVAILABLE FOR ME TO MAKE REPAIRS TO MY HOME.

I THINK OUR PRIORITY SHOULD BE THE CITIZENS.

I MEAN, I'M A BUSINESS OWNER AND I AGREE, BUT I HAVE MORE MEANS TO TAKE CARE OF WHAT I NEED TO VERSUS A HOMEOWNER WHO IS A SENIOR CITIZEN OR SOMEONE WHO'S DISABLED.

WE NEED TO GET THAT INFORMATION THE SAME WAY.

I GOT IT. THEY SHOULD GET IT BECAUSE EVEN AS A BUSINESS OWNER, AS A TENANT, NOT EVEN OWNING THE BUILDING, IF I HAVE TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS, I CAN GET 10,000.

THAT'S SCARY FOR ME.

AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GOING TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE AND IT NEEDS TO BE IN THE CITIZENS WHO ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY NEED IT.

IT'S. Q SO YEAH, JUST A COUPLE OTHER LITTLE TIDBITS, I GUESS.

SO EVERY FUNDING SOURCE HAS A DIFFERENT REQUIREMENT FOR WHAT WE CAN DO WITH IT, OBVIOUSLY. SO THE $2.9 MILLION, THAT IS NOT ALL FUNDING, THAT'S ONLY FOR INDIVIDUALS.

SOMETIMES IT IS FOR COMMUNITY SERVICES.

SO LIKE NON-PROFITS HAVE TO APPLY AND THEN THOSE NONPROFITS CAN PROBABLY GET SOME DETAILS FOR YOU, LIKE THEY SERVICE 100 PEOPLE OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.

CDBG, THOUGH, IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING WHERE YOU CAN USE THAT FOR INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS. SO ONE OF THE MORE RECENT ALLOCATIONS WAS TO UPDATE AND IMPROVE THE SENIOR CENTER. CULVER SO THAT WAS A PRETTY HEFTY CHUNK OF CDBG ONE ONE YEAR OR MAYBE A COUPLE OF YEARS THAT WE USED. TYPICALLY AND THIS IS WHY I REFERENCED A WEBSITE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE YOU WOULD SEE IF WE HAVE ANYTHING THAT'S CURRENTLY OPEN, ACCEPTING APPLICATIONS FOR FUNDING AVAILABLE TO HELP HOMEOWNERS.

IF YOU DON'T SEE THAT OUT THERE, WHAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING IS A LOT OF TIMES WE WE STILL HAVE WAITING LISTS.

SO OTHER PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY THEY'VE ALREADY GOTTEN THE INFORMATION.

THEY'RE STILL ON OUR LIST. WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO SERVE THEM BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE IT YET. IT'S PART OF WHAT'S HAPPENED.

BUT LET ME GET YOU MORE DETAILS BECAUSE I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR AND WE'LL SHARE THAT WITH YOU. MS..

BEAUCHAMP AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD THAT I THINK THAT I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR MYSELF, BUT I KNOW THAT A GOAL THAT I HAVE IN SERVING ON THIS BOARD AND AS WE WORK THROUGH THESE DEPARTMENTS IS TO JUST FIND THE BOTTLENECKS AND UNDERSTAND, DOES THIS PARTICULAR DEPARTMENT HAVE A BOTTLENECK BECAUSE OF A FISCAL NEED, WHETHER THAT'S PERSONNEL, WHETHER THAT'S CAPITAL, WHETHER THAT'S OPERATIONAL OR IS IT SOMETHING ELSE? IS IT JUST, YOU KNOW, ADMINISTRATIVE, DARE I SAY, MANAGERIAL OR WHATEVER? WE JUST WANT TO WORK THROUGH THIS CONTENT TO SEE, OKAY, THIS DEPARTMENT IS IS DOING WELL AND COULD DO BETTER IF THEY HAD X AND IS THAT X A DOLLAR? THAT'S THE CONCLUSION WE WANT TO GET TO AS THE BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD.

BUT WITH THIS PARTICULAR ONE, I CAN TELL IT'S A PASSION PROJECT, SO TO SPEAK, FOR MULTIPLE FOLKS ON THE BOARD, MYSELF INCLUDED IN THAT.

IT'S JUST SO ESSENTIAL TO ME THAT THIS MONEY THAT WE THAT IS BROUGHT INTO OUR CITY TO GO OUT INTO OUR COMMUNITY ACTUALLY DOES GO OUT INTO OUR COMMUNITY AND ACTUALLY DOES GET TO THOSE HOMEOWNERS THAT NEED HOME IMPROVEMENTS AND THINGS OF THE SORT.

AND THE INTERESTING DYNAMIC OF THE HOUSING MARKET, IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, MAKES IT EVEN MORE DIRE THAT WE GET THESE GRANTS INTO THE HANDS OF THE FOLKS THAT NEED THEM, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE TEMPTING FOR A LOT OF FOLKS, WHETHER THEY ARE SENIOR CITIZENS, TO MS..

BATTAMS POINT, THAT ARE AT THE END OF OF OF THE USE OF THEIR HOMES, SO TO SPEAK, THEY MAY MAY THINK THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT, LET ME GO AHEAD AND CASH OUT AND THEN IT TURNS INTO A FLIP AND THEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN EVERYTHING RISES AND IT ADDS TO THIS BUBBLE AND THIS ARTIFICIAL. WHEREAS IF WE CAN KEEP A HOMEOWNER, A HOMEOWNER, OR MAYBE EVEN HAVE THAT HOMEOWNER PASS THAT TO THEIR NEXT GENERATION RATHER THAN CASH IT OUT, WE CAN GET THINGS LIKE THE CONCEPTS OF GENERATIONAL WEALTH AND THINGS OF THIS SORT BUILT UP.

THAT'S HOW SERIOUS I TAKE THESE GRANT DOLLARS AND I SEE THEM COME IN AND IT JUST PAINS ME TO KNOW THAT WE HAVE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS YET TO BE PROCESSED.

SO IN ALL THAT I'M SAYING TO FOCUS IN AND KEEP IT GERMANE TO THIS DEPARTMENT, I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF MS.. BLUNT HAS NEEDS AND THEY ARE FISCAL.

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AND IF THEY'RE NOT, JUST LET US KNOW WHAT THEY ARE, BECAUSE WE'RE ALL COMMUNITY ADVOCATES UP HERE ON THIS BOARD. AND WE'LL WE'LL TALK TO OUR COUNSEL, WE'LL TALK TO OUR COMMUNITY, AND WE'LL GET ANY OF THESE DEPARTMENTS WHAT THEY NEED BEYOND A DOLLAR IF IT'S MORAL SUPPORT. WE GOT THAT UP HERE.

RIGHT? SO THANK YOU FOR THAT, MS..

BEAUCHAMP I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

MS.. CONNELLY, I KNOW YOU HAD SOMETHING HERE, SO PLEASE, I HAVE TWO QUICK THINGS.

ONE IS, WHAT IS THE EXACT WEBSITE FOR SOMEBODY TO GO TO? FIND AVAILABLE. IT IS.

YOU SEE WHAT I CAN? AND WHILE YOU'RE DOING THAT, ANSWER MY SECOND QUESTION.

THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE BAYFRONT CRA.

IT SAYS FUNDS TO CARRY OUT ELIGIBLE ACTIVITIES.

IF NOT ALL THE ELIGIBLE.

THE REFERENCE TO ELIGIBLE ACTIVITIES IS TIED TO THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A AN AGREEMENT WITH BREVARD COUNTY.

IT WAS APPROVED TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO.

BUT ESSENTIALLY IT WAS THE POINT OF THAT AGREEMENT WAS TO LIMIT WHAT WE WERE GOING TO DO WITH THE CRA MONEY GOING FORWARD AND THE CRA IS SET TO SUNSET IN A COUPLE OF YEARS ANYWAY. SO ESSENTIALLY THE THINGS THAT WE ARE ALLOWED TO FUND RIGHT NOW OUT OF THE SIERRA ARE VERY LIMITED. WE'RE NOT WE HAVE NO AUTHORITY UNDER THAT AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY TO, FOR EXAMPLE, BUY MORE LAND OR DO ANY MORE INVESTMENTS IN LIKE INFRASTRUCTURE TYPE PROJECTS. SO IT'S IT'S A VERY LIGHTWEIGHT BUDGET.

IT IS TO FUND SOME PERSONNEL AND LIMITED OPERATING EXPENSES.

AND THOSE ARE JUST BASIC OPERATING THINGS WE HAVE TO DO, LIKE WE HAVE TO PAY FOR OUR ANNUAL AUDIT, FOR EXAMPLE.

THAT'S A LITTLE LINE ITEM THAT WE WE FUND RIGHT THERE.

THERE IS A LINE OF OUTSTANDING DEBT THAT WE PAY ON ANNUALLY.

SO THAT'S PROBABLY THE BIGGEST REOCCURRING EXPENSE IN THE CRA BUDGET.

IT'S REALLY IT'S VERY LIGHTWEIGHT.

AND WE CAN GET YOU THOSE DETAILS IF YOU WANT TO SEE THE LINE AND BREAK DOWN BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE TINY BUDGET.

BUT WE CAN DO THAT. I ACTUALLY PAID OFF THAT DEBT THIS YEAR.

YEAH. YES, IT WOULD HELP ME.

SO WE'LL GET YOU THE WEBSITE.

AND SO I'M SORRY. SO, YEAH, IT'S THE FASTEST WAY TO GET TO THE HOUSING SECTION IS WHEN YOU GO TO PALM BAY FLORIDA DOT ORG.

WE HAVE THIS BIG SEARCH BAR THAT COMES UP IN THE MIDDLE AND JUST TYPE HOUSING.

THE FIRST THING THAT COMES UP WILL BE HOUSING PROGRAMS. THE OTHER WAY YOU CAN GET TO IT IS MORE OF A DRILL DOWN.

BUT IF YOU GO UP TO GOVERNMENT.

UNDER GOVERNMENT, THERE'S A LIST OF DEPARTMENTS YOU CAN FIND COMMUNITY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AS A DEPARTMENT.

THEN WHEN YOU GO TO THEIR WEBSITE, YOU'LL SEE THE HOUSING LINK RIGHT THERE ON THE FRONT.

SO YOU'RE SAYING ONCE YOU GET TO THE HOUSING THAT WILL HAVE THE AVAILABLE, IT'LL BE AN EASY. RIGHT.

THAT'S WHERE WE PUT THE LIST OF ALL OF OUR CURRENT PROGRAMS WHERE YOU CAN GET ASSISTANCE.

SO. I MEAN, PEOPLE THAT DON'T KNOW.

AND ALSO, OF COURSE, THE CONTACT INFO IS RIGHT THERE FOR PHONE NUMBER EMAIL IF YOU WANT TO REACH OUT TO THE DEPARTMENT FOR SPECIFIC DETAILS.

BUT IT'LL TALK ABOUT OUR DIFFERENT FUNDING STRATEGIES, THE PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE FOR HOME PURCHASE ASSISTANCE OR HOMEOWNER ASSISTANCE.

BUT THE CAVEAT ON ALL OF THESE, YOU'LL SEE THE LANGUAGE IN THEIR REFERENCES AS FUNDING PERMITS, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO THINK THAT THERE'S PLENTY OF FUNDING OR THAT WE DON'T ALREADY HAVE A WAITING LIST.

SO THERE'S A LOT MORE TO IT.

BUT I'LL HAVE NANCY GIVE US A THOROUGH OVERVIEW FOR YOU FOR THE NEXT TIME.

THE LIST OF NONPROFITS.

SERVICE. WELL, THEY'RE PART OF THE BUDGET.

THEY RECEIVE SOME OF THE DOLLARS.

SO IF PEOPLE CAN GO TO THEM, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHICH NONPROFITS.

OF COURSE, MISS CLINKSCALES.

YES. SO I THINK YOU WERE ASKING THE QUESTION ABOUT THE BOTTLENECK.

AND I THINK THAT ONE OF THE ISSUES IS BECAUSE I KNOW MANY COMMUNITY NON-PROFITS AND ONE OF THE ISSUES IS THE COMPLEXITY OF THE APPLICATION AND WHAT IT TAKES TO REALLY DO IT.

AND SO I THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR US TO HAVE WORKSHOPS LIKE THAT AS WELL BECAUSE I KNOW ORGANIZATIONS WHO WOULD COME AND IT'S THE SAME THING WHEN YOU WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PROCUREMENT, IT'S THE SAME THING, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE PROCESS.

SO IT KEEPS PEOPLE THAT DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW TO WORK.

I THINK WE NEED PRESENTATIONS ON THAT.

I, I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT.

I KNOW THAT WE'VE DONE A LOT OF LIKE ONE ON ONE TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE FOR, FOR THE NONPROFITS TO TRY TO HELP THEM.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, A LOT OF THE COMPLEXITY IS BECAUSE THESE ARE FEDERAL PROGRAMS AND THEY

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BUT I THINK ONE OF OUR PRIORITIES, THE REASON YOU HAVEN'T SEEN A LOT OF THAT HAPPENING IN TERMS OF OUTWARD FACING INITIATIVES IS BECAUSE OF THE INTERNAL WORK THAT THE TEAM OF STAFF HAS BEEN DOING TO CLEAN UP THE OLD PROGRAMS, TO FREE UP THE MONEY SO THAT WE CAN HAVE MORE TO PUT OUT THERE.

SO I CAN TELL YOU THAT TIME IS COMING.

WE'RE JUST NOT THERE YET.

AND PART OF THE REASON WE'RE NOT THERE YET IS WE'RE STILL CLEANING UP.

LIKE I SAID, THE HOME PROGRAM AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD STABILIZATION PROGRAM.

AND WE DO HAVE LIMITED STAFF.

SO, I MEAN, YOU MENTIONED THE WORD BOTTLENECK.

WE HAVE ONE POSITION, I THINK, CURRENTLY THAT WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO FILL.

VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND PEOPLE TO FILL THESE POSITIONS.

IT'S JUST IT'S HIGHLY TECHNICAL.

YOU NEED SOMEONE THAT IS REALLY GOOD WITH DETAIL, PREFERABLY SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS ALL THE DIFFERENT FEDERAL AND STATE RULES.

SO IT BECOMES VERY DIFFICULT TO FILL THESE POSITIONS.

BUT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT. WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN SUCCESSFUL, WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE A GOOD TEAM NOW, BUT. SO WE'D LIKE SOME MORE STAFF FOR IT.

IT'S ALSO HARD TO FIND ANY KIND OF.

LIKE CONTRACTORS CONSULTANCY YOU COULD OUTSOURCE TO HELP YOU, WHICH WE'VE ALSO LOOKED AT.

IT'S JUST IT'S A VERY SMALL, SMALL FIELD.

BUT MY POINT IS ON A LIMITED BASIS, WE CAN DO SOME OF THAT NOW.

I CAN'T DO AS MUCH AS I'D LIKE TO.

PROCUREMENT IS MORE WELL POSITIONED BECAUSE THEY ARE FULLY STAFFED WITH ONE EXCEPTION.

THEY'RE READY TO GO OUT AND START DOING ALL THESE PUBLIC OUTREACH THINGS AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. AND THE HOUSING DIVISION NEEDS A LITTLE MORE TIME TO FINISH CLEANUP SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY FUTURE AUDIT ISSUES.

THEN THEY'LL BE READY TO DO A LOT MORE OF THAT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S ABSOLUTELY SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE DOING. I'D LIKE NOT JUST THE STANDARD LIST OF I LOVE ALL THE NONPROFITS THAT ARE GOOD AT IT AND SUCCESSFUL EACH TIME, BUT I KNOW THERE IS A LOT MORE THAT COULD BE SUCCESSFUL. SO.

SAME ONES ARE THE ONES WHO HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR YEARS.

THEY ALREADY HAVE THEIR TEMPLATES AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.

SO NEW PEOPLE CAN'T REALLY GET INTO THIS ARENA.

AND THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE SO MUCH MONEY, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT HAS TO BE A REASON I WANT TO FIND YOU. DON'T SIT ANYWHERE LIKE THAT, ESPECIALLY FOR COMMUNITY USES.

THANK YOU, SUSAN.

THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT UP, MS..

CLINKSCALES, I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

ANYBODY ELSE IN THE COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT? ALL RIGHT. SO WE ARE ON OUR LAST PACKAGE AS FAR AS THE DEPARTMENTS GO.

THAT BEING THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND.

I WILL JUMP OFF BY JUST SAYING THAT I AM QUITE INTRIGUED BY THE BUILDING DIRECTORS OR THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIALS OUTLOOKS FOR FISCAL YEAR 23.

AGAIN COMMENTS.

I'VE MADE PLENTY OF PUBLIC ACCOUNTS AND MEETINGS, BUT INSPECT YOUR VEHICLES.

THIS GENTLEMAN WANTS TO TAKE US ALL ELECTRIC AND THEN HE WANTS TO SUBSEQUENTLY PUT IN CHARGERS POTENTIALLY HERE AT CITY HALL THAT WOULD SUPPORT THAT.

AS YOU SEE, EVEN IN A PROCUREMENT A PROCUREMENT PACKET, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT P CARDS AND EXPENSE CARDS.

AND FOR ANYBODY THAT MAY NOT KNOW, THERE'S PLENTY OF BUZZ WITHIN THE CITY OPERATIONS ABOUT GAS AND HOW IT GETS PAID FOR AND WHEN IT GETS PAID FOR AND WHO SHOULD HAVE THEIR GAS PAID FOR WHEN. AND THIS CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL, BY REPLACING HIS INSPECTOR FLEET BY COMPLETELY ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND HAVING THESE CHARGERS HERE AT CITY HALL.

QUITE A CAPITAL EXPENDITURE THAT HE'S LOOKING FOR.

BUT THE FUTURE PROSPECTS OF THAT ARE REALLY INTRIGUING AND INTERESTING TO ME.

AND I THINK THAT IT'LL BE COOL TO HAVE A DEPARTMENT DO THAT, TO SEE SUBSEQUENTLY WHAT OTHER DEPARTMENTS DO. AND I KNOW WE HAVE SOME SUSTAINABILITY ADVOCATES, TO SAY THE LEAST, ON THE BOARD, MYSELF INCLUDED.

SO THAT WAS A HIGHLIGHT FOR ME REALLY.

THAT'S MY ONLY FEEDBACK.

I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS TO THIS.

IT WAS IT WAS AS THOROUGH AS I PERSONALLY NEEDED.

BUT DID ANYBODY HAVE CLARIFICATION? MS.. BEAUCHAMP WENT INTO THE ELECTRIC, BUT ISN'T THERE? I THINK THERE'S FEDERAL FUNDING OUT THERE FOR THE CHARGERS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I KNOW A COUPLE OF THE BUSINESSES I SERVICE, FPL CAME IN AND INSTALLED LIKE FOUR OF THEM FOR THEM AT NO COST.

SO EVEN NOW WOULD BE THE TIME TO DO THIS INSTEAD OF LATER, BECAUSE THEN THAT ADDITIONAL FUNDING WOULDN'T BE THERE AND IT WOULD PROBABLY THIS NUMBER WOULD PROBABLY BE HIGHER OR IT COULD BE LESS DEPENDING ON THE FUNDING.

DEFINITELY. YEAH, WE DEFINITELY HAVE LOOKED AT SEVERAL GRANT PROGRAMS AND THERE ARE SOME PROGRAMS THAT AREN'T EVEN GRANTS ARE JUST DIRECT LIKE YOUR TIME OUT FEE, ETC..

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE HAD TO LOOK AT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER TYPE OF CHARGING STATION WE GET INTEGRATES WITH OUR SYSTEM.

WE CALL IT FASTER.

SO IT'S A SYSTEM THAT TRACKS ALL OF THE DETAILS OF OUR VEHICLE USAGE.

SO IT'S IT'S MAINTENANCE, IT'S GASOLINE.

IT WOULD BE ELECTRICITY.

WE'RE TRYING TO GET ALL OF THAT DATA INTO THE SAME SYSTEM, BUT THERE'S A COUPLE OF STAFF MEMBERS ACTIVELY WORKING ON THAT FOR US.

SO. WAIT.

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EXACTLY. IT'S NOT TO THE SAME DEGREE THAT YOU ARE FOR THIS, SIR, BUT.

40, ALMOST $41,000 PER VEHICLE.

15 VEHICLES.

THAT IS THAT IS SIGNIFICANT, ESPECIALLY FOR WHAT IT IS, 40,000, 41,000 PER VEHICLE.

IT'S IT'S A LOT AND THE 170,000.

FOUR OR FIVE CHARGING STATIONS.

THIS IS THIS IS DEFINITELY A LOT.

AND I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S BEING A LITTLE BIT OVERSOLD IN THE DESCRIPTION HERE AS WELL.

BATTERIES ARE THE ONLY THING THAT WILL NEED YOU REPLACED, AND THAT'S EVERY HUNDRED THOUSAND MILES. ELECTRIC VEHICLE BATTERIES ARE WILDLY EXPENSIVE.

AND THAT'S THAT'S ONE QUESTION IS.

FIRST TO THESE VEHICLES, THESE ELECTRIC FORD F ONE FIFTIES.

HOW MUCH WOULD ONE OF THOSE REPLACEMENT BATTERIES BE? I DON'T KNOW THAT NUMBER OFFHAND, BUT I.

I KNOW I'VE HEARD THE SAME THING, HOW EXPENSIVE THEY ARE.

SO WE'LL GET THAT NUMBER FOR YOU.

THAT'S LIKE A TRANSMISSION IN A REGULAR VEHICLE.

IF IT'S DOWN, YOU PROBABLY TOTALED THAT CAR, NOT A COUPLE OF HUNDRED BUCKS.

EXACTLY. MAYBE I SHOULD SHOP FOR A NEW ONE.

A NEW VEHICLE, THAT IS.

YEAH. SO THIS THIS WOULD BE LIKE.

I'M NOT AGAINST IT. EXACTLY.

BUT THIS I FEEL LIKE THIS WOULD REQUIRE MUCH CLOSER CONSIDERATION.

AND I WOULD LIKE SOME OF THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION LIKE THE BATTERY COST.

AND. THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT THE OTHER LOCATIONS FOR THE CHARGERS AS WELL.

OBVIOUSLY THIS WOULD ALSO BE AN EXPENDITURE THAT OR AN INVESTMENT THAT NOT SOLELY.

BUILDING DEPARTMENT CITY IS PUTTING IN FIVE ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGERS, I IMAGINE.

EXTREMELY USEFUL THING TO ANY OF THE DEPARTMENT THAT'S LOOKING TO USE ELECTRIC VEHICLES OR. FUTURE.

SO THAT COULD BE.

THERE'S KIND OF A BIGGER PICTURE BEHIND THIS, I'M SURE.

UM, YES AND NO.

SO TO ADD A LITTLE EXTRA TO IT.

SO WE, I DON'T ANTICIPATE RIGHT NOW AND I THINK I'LL GET MORE DETAIL FOR YOU BUT THESE CHARGING STATIONS.

WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH BUILDING FUND EXPENDITURES, SUPPORTING GENERAL FUND ACTIVITIES. SO THESE WOULD BE FOR THE BUILDING FUND OR BUILDING DEPARTMENT VEHICLES.

THE ONES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FROM A CITY STANDPOINT WOULD SERVE TO PURPOSES.

THEY WOULD BE FOR PUBLIC USE.

AND WE'VE WE'VE LOOKED AT THERE'S MODELS OF CHARGING STATIONS WHERE YOU ACTUALLY PAY TO USE IT, WHICH THE MODEL THAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE TO US.

BUT THEY WOULD BE BOTH FOR VISITORS TO THE SITE.

AND AS WELL WHEN WE GET OUR FIRST NON BUILDING DEPARTMENT BUT GENERAL FUNDS ELECTRIC VEHICLES CHARGE THOSE THOSE ARE THOSE ARE DIFFERENT FUNDED DIFFERENTLY IN FACT ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT COUNCIL APPROVED.

MEETINGS WE TALKED ABOUT CAPITAL WAS RELATED TO THE EV CHARGING.

THAT'S A SEPARATE FUNDING SOURCE.

SEPARATE. WE JUST HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT NOT BUILDING FUND RESOURCES FOR A.

IS. REALLY? FROM THAT DESCRIPTION, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE.

ONE OF THE DEPARTMENT'S CHARGERS ON CITY HALL GROUNDS.

THE REASON THE REASON WE'RE DOING THAT IS BUILDING.

THE DEPARTMENT USED TO BE HERE ON SITE.

WE RAN OUT OF ROOM FOR THEM.

THEY WERE SHARING THE OFFICE SPACE WHERE OUR GROWTH MANAGEMENT IS.

SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE ACROSS THE STREET RENTING A FACILITY.

BUT THEY'RE PART OF.

THE SPACE THAT WOULD BE BUILT FOR BUILDING.

SO IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO US.

SARAH LEE UNLESS THERE ARE VERY MOBILE TO INSTALL VEHICLE CHARGERS ACROSS THE STREET.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING THAT HERE.

LONG TERM, THEY'RE COMING BACK.

WE BUILD THAT BUILDING. THEY'RE GOING TO BE BACK HERE.

THEY HAVE A WHOLE SECTION.

WE MAY JUST HAVE SOME LOGISTICS WE WORK THROUGH WHERE THEY'RE STILL WORKING ACROSS THE STREET IN THE LEASED SPACE.

BUT THEY COME OVER HERE WITH THEIR VEHICLES.

SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE WERE THINKING ABOUT DOING.

TENSION, SO TO SPEAK, BEHIND WHERE THE CHARGERS ARE.

BUT ACTUALLY.

PROBLEM IF DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS VEHICLE HAPPENED TO USE THE CHARGING STATION.

NO, MY MY POINT IS IF THOSE ARE FOR.

SO. WHEN YOU USE THE ELECTRICITY FOR THE VIEW THAT'S GOING TO BE TIED TO AN ACCOUNT NUMBER, IT HAS TO BE TIED TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT ACCOUNT NUMBER.

WE CAN'T PUT CITY OTHER CITY VEHICLES ON THOSE CHARGERS.

I HAVE TO HAVE A SEPARATE AND THAT'S WHY WE DO HAVE $100,000 SET ASIDE GENERAL FUND MONEY FOR THE CHARGERS, FOR ANY OTHER CITY VEHICLES AND THE PUBLIC.

I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY HOW IT WORKS.

A SWIPE OR SOMETHING.

I'M GUESSING THAT'S TRUE.

I DON'T KNOW ALL THE MECHANICS OF IT, BUT.

GOTCHA. I'M ASSUMING IT'S LIKE THE GAS GAS PUMPS NOW WHERE YOU HAVE CODES.

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YES. THE COST OF THE REPLACEMENT BATTERIES WOULD, I SUPPOSE.

ASIDE FROM THAT, I'M JUST.

CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS? YES. I.

SO I'M NOT SAYING DO THAT.

IF WE DID THIS. THANK YOU, SIR, FOR SHARING YOUR INSIGHTS THERE. EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.

I HAD MS.. CLINKSCALES NOD.

BUT MISS CONLEY, YOU'LL BE NEXT.

THIS IS JUST A GENERAL QUESTION.

I WAS WONDERING A HUNDRED THOUSAND MILES.

SO THE CARS THAT WE USE NOW, LIKE HOW MANY YEARS DOES IT TAKE TO GET TO 100,000? LIKE HOW OFTEN WOULD YOU HAVE TO REPLACE A BATTERY, YOU KNOW? GET THAT FOR YOU. I DON'T HAVE THAT OFFHAND.

I WAS JUST KIND OF MAKING THE COMPARISON.

JUST. THAT'S FAIR.

YEAH. AND THEY DO A LOT OF DRIVING, SO I'M SURE IT'S FAIRLY QUICK PROCESS COMPARED TO SOME OF US. THANK YOU.

AND JUST TO ADD TEXTURE, THESE BATTERIES AND ALL THE BATTERIES MOVING FORWARD ARE MUCH MORE SERVICEABLE THAN THE HYBRID BATTERIES THAT YOU THINK OF.

SO IF YOU THINK OF LIKE A PRIUS OWNER OR SOMEBODY BUY A HONDA CIVIC HYBRID OR ANYTHING ELSE HYBRID AND THEN HAD TO REPLACE THE BATTERY WHEN IT WAS EIGHT OR NINE YEARS OLD AND IT WAS, YOU KNOW, EIGHT, 9000.

THAT WAS THE ENTIRE BATTERY HAD TO BE REPLACED.

THESE BATTERIES ACTUALLY HAVE BATTERY ARRAYS IN THEM.

SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A BATTERY GOES BAD? SOMETHING WITHIN THAT BATTERY GOES BAD, A CELL WITHIN AN ARRAY GOES BAD, AN ENTIRE ARRAY GOES BAD. ALL THE OLD BATTERIES, YOU HAD TO TAKE THE WHOLE THING OUT, SEND IT BACK TO SOMEBODY THAT MESSED WITH IT IN THIS PARTICULAR VEHICLE AND ALL SUBSEQUENT ELECTRIC VEHICLES THAT WE HAVE, SUCH AS TESLAS.

BUT THE OTHER ONES THAT FORD IS DEVELOPING, THE ONES THAT THE OTHER MANUFACTURERS ARE DEVELOPING, THESE BATTERIES ACTUALLY COME DOWN AND THE TECHNICIANS, WHICH IS A HUGE TECHNICIAN, NEED. SO I'M BIG ABOUT EDUCATION AND SCHOOLING AND TECHNICAL TRAINING.

LET'S GET THEM EDUCATED ON VEHICLES, BUT ESPECIALLY ELECTRIC VEHICLES BECAUSE THOSE THINGS ARE SERVICEABLE.

WHEN WE TALK TO YOUTH THAT ARE INTERESTED IN STEM AND ENGINEERING AND THEY'VE NEVER REALLY TRANSLATED THAT TO TURNING WRENCHES ON CARS, SHOW THEM A REALLY COOL CAR THAT HAS A BATTERY IN IT. LET'S GET THEM HOOKED ON THAT SO THAT ONE DAY THEY CAN BE DROPPING THOSE BATTERIES DOWN FOR US, MAYBE RIGHT THERE AT OUR FLEET DEPARTMENT FACILITY AND REPLACING AN ARRAY RATHER THAN HAVING TO REPLACE THE ENTIRE BATTERY.

IF WE DID HAVE TO REPLACE THE ENTIRE BATTERY, YES, THAT WOULD BE VERY EXPENSIVE.

BUT THE THESE EVS AS WELL AS FUTURE, IT'S MUCH MORE SERVICEABLE JUST TO ADD SOME TEXTURE.

AND I AND I WILL HIGHLIGHT THAT I RECENTLY LEARNED THAT THE TIRE SITUATION IS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE SO.

THAT IS, I'LL BE OPEN AND SHARE THAT WITH ANYBODY THAT WILL LISTEN.

YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND MORE ON TIRES ON AN EV THAN YOU DO ON A TRADITIONAL VEHICLE BECAUSE IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY HEAVIER IF YOU'RE INTO PHYSICS, THE ROLLING RESISTANCE IS MUCH MORE SO YOU'RE JUST GRINDING THAT RUBBER INTO THE ROAD.

SO, YES, THEY WILL NEED MORE TIRES, LESS OIL CHANGES.

WE'RE ALL INTO PHYSICS, WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT.

YEAH, RIGHT. ISN'T THAT TRUE? CALL ME. RIGHT? OF COURSE.

YES, MA'AM. THAT WAS VERY BENEFICIAL.

THE FIRST QUESTION IS FOR MS..

SHERMAN. SO THE TOP BUDGET PRIORITIES.

THE SECOND ONE IS NEW BUILDING CONSTRUCTION.

6 MILLION.

THAT BUILDING E.

SO I KNOW $2 MILLION WAS ALLOCATED IN THE AMERICAN RESCUE.

YOU STILL HAVE THAT? SO IS THAT BUILDING NOW IS PROJECTED TO BE $8 MILLION.

WELL, UNFORTUNATELY, PRICES HAVE GONE UP.

LAST PROJECTION WAS CLOSER TO LIKE 11.

BUT WE HAVE FUNDING FROM THREE SOURCES.

IT'S FROM AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN FUNDING FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT FOR THEIR PORTION AND THEN ALSO FROM THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE THE CUSTOMER SERVICE OUT OF THE ANNEX.

THEY NEED MORE ROOM TO.

THEY'RE GOING TO ALSO EXPAND INTO THAT BUILDING.

SO THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES FOR IT.

THIS BUDGET CYCLE THEN.

SO POTENTIALLY BUILDING E COULD BE BUILT IF ALL THIS GOT FUNDED? YES, ACTUALLY, WE'VE BEEN WE'VE GOT AN UPDATE FROM OUR.

WE HAVE WE HAVE LOST MY WORDS.

SO WE HAVE A CONSULTANT WHO'S BEEN HELPING US WITH THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING.

FILLING. ARCHITECTS WENT THROUGH COUNCIL A WHILE BACK, SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM.

THEY GOT US TO 60% DESIGNS AND THEN WE WERE ABLE TO KIND OF CHECK THE NUMBERS AND CHECK THE MARKETPLACE AND THAT'S WHERE WE CAME UP WITH THE REVISED TOTAL.

SO WHAT THAT MEANS TO US IS.

WE DON'T HAVE QUITE ENOUGH CURRENTLY ALLOCATED.

SO WE WERE GOING TO COME BACK WITH THE DISCUSSION ON AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN FUNDING.

AGAIN, THE COUNCIL AND THAT'S PART OF OUR LIST FOR THE NEXT.

LIKE I SAID, IT'S EITHER GOING TO BE NEXT WEEK OR THE WEEK AFTER, DEPENDING ON HOW

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BUT WE ARE GOING WE'RE FINALIZING THOSE NUMBERS SO WE CAN SAY TO COUNCIL OR OUR ULTIMATE.

UM, ASK IF THERE'S ANY ADDITION OUT OF BOTH UTILITIES OR BUILDING FUND.

WE'LL KNOW THAT THEN. I DON'T KNOW YET IF THAT'S THE CASE, BUT WE ALREADY KNOW WE'RE GOING TO NEED A LITTLE MORE OF THE RESCUE PLAN FUNDING TO COMPLETE.

EITHER WAY, THAT IS STILL ON PATH AND ON TRACK BECAUSE WE ARE OUT OF SPACE.

WE'RE GOING TO NEED. WELL, IT SOUNDS PRETTY WITHIN EYESIGHT NOW, THOUGH.

AND I JUST HOPING THAT THE PLANS DO INCLUDE SUSTAINABILITY AND LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT AND ALL THE. IN FACT, AT THE LAST UPDATE, THEY CONFIRMED THAT IT'S DESIGNED FOR THE SOLAR FOR THE FUTURE ON TOP. SO THAT'S THAT'S DEFINITELY STILL IN OUR FOCUS AREA.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH ON THAT.

ONE OTHER COMMENT THEN, OTHER THAN VERY EXCITED ABOUT BUILDING A.

AND THE PRIORITIES.

I'M SURPRISED THAT HE DOESN'T MENTION SIX.

VACANCIES. YOU KNOW, I HAVE PERSONAL DEALING WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND I HAVE ONLY HIGH PRAISE FOR VALENTINO PEREZ AND WHAT HIS STAFF.

THEY THEY OPERATE AS A TEAM.

THEY ARE. I JUST I'M HAPPY THAT I KNOW THEM PERSONALLY AND HAVE THAT WITH THE CITY BECAUSE IT GIVES THEM SOMETHING ABOUT ALLOCATING MONEY TO PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE, ARE WELL MANAGED AND AND DO PUT THEIR AN OFFICIAL.

THEY'RE THE FACE OF THE CITY.

THESE ARE THE PEOPLE.

AND BUT SIX VACANCIES TO ME IS SIGNIFICANT, ESPECIALLY WITH ALL THE.

I WOULD JUST QUESTION WHY THAT WASN'T A PRIORITY UNLESS THERE IS SOME PLAN OR HE FEELS PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT.

IT'S GOING TO GET FILLED BY.

HERE IS THE SIX VACANCY REFERENCE.

I'M LOOKING AT THIS CHART HERE.

CHART. ALL SORTS PERMIT TECHNICIANS, COORDINATOR, THE INSPECTORS TO INSPECTORS VACANT.

WE JUST HAD AN INSPECTOR WHERE MY CONDO IS TODAY AND.

DEFINITELY PRESSED FOR TIME.

I BELIEVE THIS IS SOMETHING I SUSPECT MIGHT BE.

I WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO ASK ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT.

MANY USER FRIENDLY FEATURES FOR FOR CUSTOMERS INCLUDING.

THE LIST THAT WE ALL HAVE THE PAPER, IF THAT.

WATER HAS LED TO A DECREASED NEED OR A NEED FOR.

LESS PEOPLE. IF THAT I'M WONDERING IF THAT'S A BACKGROUND REASON TO SUDDENLY MAYBE WE DON'T NEED TO FILL ALL OF THOSE POSITIONS, JAMES.

THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. RIGHT NOW, THE ANSWER TO THAT IS NO, WE HAVEN'T.

THAT'S NOT THE REASON FOR THE VACANCIES.

AND IN FACT, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE TIMING IS, REASON FOR THE VACANCIES, BUT A REASON HE MIGHT NOT BE MENTIONED. SEE I FOLLOW YOU.

YEAH. SO WE'LL ACTUALLY CHECK AND GET BACK TO YOU ON WHAT THE CURRENT VACANCY COUNT IS AND WHICH POSITIONS, BECAUSE I BELIEVE SOME OF THIS HAS CHANGED.

WE LOST ALL THIS. I KNOW SOMETIMES WE JUST ACTUALLY HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE ON PROBATION WHO DON'T WORK OUT. AND SO THEN WE'RE.

GOING BACK TO THE PROCESS AGAIN.

I'M ACTUALLY VERY PROUD OF THE PROGRESS WE'VE MADE IN STAFFING IN THIS DEPARTMENT BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE WE STARTED BEFORE VALENTINO PEREZ BECAME OUR DIRECTOR THERE.

WE WERE REALLY STRUGGLING AND UNDER HIS LEADERSHIP.

MADE A LOT OF GOOD RECOMMENDATIONS ADJUSTING SALARIES, ADJUSTING HOW WE DO THINGS, ADDING DIFFERENT TYPES OF POSITIONS THAT HAVE ALL HELPED US.

REALLY, WE'VE RECRUITED TREMENDOUSLY IN THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF.

IT'S BEEN REALLY PHENOMENAL.

SO THESE VACANCIES THEY MAY ON THE SURFACE TROUBLING SIX OF.

NOT NOT TOO CONCERNING BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN VERY COMPETITIVE IN THE MARKETPLACE.

BUT I WILL GET A CURRENT UPDATE FOR YOU FOR NEXT TIME FROM FROM HIM.

AND THEN YOUR YOUR POINT.

WE'RE ALWAYS GOING WITH THE CURRENT VOLUME OF WORK IN THE CITY.

WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO NEED HIGH NUMBER OF INSPECTORS.

WHETHER THE IMS. PROCESS WE'VE JUST IMPLEMENTED A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, WHETHER THAT ULTIMATELY MEANS WE CAN BE MORE EFFICIENT AND NEED FEWER BEHIND THE SCENES.

FINTECHS, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT WILL REMAIN TO BE SEEN.

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OUR DEPARTMENT RECENTLY BECAME ACCREDITED.

THAT MEANS THERE'S A LOT OF STANDARDS THAT THEY HAVE TO.

SOLD TO AND CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN.

AND SO THAT MEANS BUT I'M NOT THE EXPERT THAT'S SO I'LL I'LL GET SOME MORE INFO FOR YOU ON THAT AS WELL. THERE ARE NO.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO REALIZE THAT WE ARE DEALING WITH REAL PEOPLE HERE, NOT JUST DOLLARS.

AND THIS IS ONE DEPARTMENT THAT SINCE I HAVE DIRECT CONNECTION WITH THEM AND I WANT TO CALL PEOPLE'S ATTENTION TO THE PRESENTATION OVERVIEW WHERE IT SAYS IRS RECOGNITION.

SOMETHING THAT MR. PEREZ OBTAINED FOR THE DEPARTMENT.

IT. YES.

IT DOESN'T COST ANYTHING.

BUT IN TERMS OF BEING THE FIRST CITY.

HAVE THIS UNITED STATES.

THE REMARKABLE EYES ON THING.

AND COULD YOU JUST TELL US BRIEFLY WHAT THAT IS? IN THE WORLD? NO, NOT IN THE WORLD.

YEAH. SO I'LL BE PROUD.

BUT ANYWAY, SO AN ACCREDITATION PROCESS FOR THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IS SIMILAR TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS LIKE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

SO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO IS YOU HAVE TO ESTABLISH, FIRST OF ALL, THERE'S STANDARDS THAT THE ACCREDITING AGENCY EXPECTS YOU TO MEET THE LEVELS OF SERVICE, CUSTOMER SERVICE, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. IT INVOLVES READING A WHOLE SYSTEM OF PROCESSES, PROCEDURES ALL DOCUMENTED. SO YOU DON'T JUST SAY, I'M GOING TO COME IN TODAY AND TRY TO DO A GOOD JOB AND TRY TO PROCESS A LOT OF PERMIT APPLICATIONS.

YOU ACTUALLY HAVE STANDARDS YOU HAVE TO MEET.

SO THERE'S EXPECTATIONS OF TURNAROUND TIME, EXPECTATIONS OF YOUR DELIVERABLES.

LIKE HOW MANY HOW MANY TIMES SHOULD WE BE TOUCHING SOMETHING? IT SHOULD BE FIXED AFTER THE FIRST TIME OR WHATEVER.

THAT'S VERY BROAD STATEMENT, BUT.

SO IT'S ALL ABOUT SETTING.

GOALS, BENCHMARKS, STANDARDS, PROCESS STEPS.

AND THEN YOU ACTUALLY.

YOU ESTABLISH ALL THAT BASED ON THE CRITERIA OF THE RATING AGENCY, AND THEN YOU SUBMIT TO A REVIEW BY THE RATING AGENCY.

SO THEY BRING PEOPLE ON SITE AND THEY HAVE PEOPLE THAT LOOK AT THINGS BEFORE THEY GET THERE AND THEY SEE IF YOU'VE CHECKED ALL THEIR BOXES AND THEN THEY COME AND THEY TEST YOU AND THEY ACTUALLY SEE IF, NUMBER ONE, DO PEOPLE PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING. SO IT CAN'T BE SOMETHING THAT YOU LIKE CREATE AS A LEADERSHIP LEVEL.

THIS GREAT DOCUMENT MAKES IT SOUND LIKE WE DO A LOT OF GREAT THINGS, BUT THEN YOUR STAFF IS NOT PART OF THAT PROCESS, SO EVERYBODY HAS TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE BECAUSE THE REVIEWERS WILL FIGURE THAT OUT QUICKLY IF YOU'RE NOT, AND THEN IF YOU PASS THAT, YOU GET CERTIFIED OR YOU GET ACCREDITED AND THEN THEY COME BACK EVERY YEAR.

I'M ACTUALLY I'M NOT SURE IF THIS ONE IS EVERY YEAR OR GET A COUPLE OF YEARS IN BETWEEN BECAUSE SOME OF THEM ARE A DELAY.

BUT EITHER WAY, YOU HAVE TO COME BACK AND THEY CHECK AGAIN.

AND IT'S AMAZING BECAUSE ONE OF THE BIG FOCUSES THAT I REALLY LIKED ABOUT IT WHEN I WAS LEARNING ABOUT IT FROM THE TEAM IS THE FOCUS ON CUSTOMER SERVICE AND IMPROVEMENT FROM CUSTOMER SERVICE.

PERSPECTIVE. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY EARLY ON THE DEPARTMENT CREATED THIS SURVEY THAT'S ATTACHED TO ALL THE EMAILS YOU GET FROM THEM.

CLICK HERE FOR SURVEY EXPERIENCE.

THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW UP AND THEY HAVE TO WORK ON IMPROVING THEIR PROCESSES BASED ON.

RESPONSE FROM THE PUBLIC, AND THEY HAVE TO PROVE THAT THEY DID SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

SO. IT'S REALLY KIND OF COOL.

AND TO BE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT THAT IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS IS LIKE A LONG TERM.

SO. SHARE WITH THE BOARD THAT THIS BOARD ACTUALLY HAS A CURFEW OF 9:00 AND WE CAN INCREASE IN 15 MINUTE INCREMENTS.

SO WE EITHER NEED TO HEAR A MOTION TO EXTEND TO 915 OR WE NEED TO KNOW THAT WE HAVE 5 MINUTES TO CONCLUDE ALL THE BUSINESS THAT WE WANT TO CONCLUDE.

SO DO I HEAR A MOTION TO EXTEND US? AS WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US IN AN ADDITIONAL 15 MINUTES.

YOU TELL ME, BOARD MEMBERS? I THINK SO. I THINK SO, TOO.

CAN I HEAR A MOTION? SEEMED TO EXTEND THE MEETING BY 15 MINUTES.

OKAY. SO, MR. WHITE, SECONDED BY MS..

CLINKSCALES, WE'RE GOING TO GO TILL 915.

ALL IN FAVOR.

I. OCH, WE'RE CONCLUDING ON BUILDING DEPARTMENT UNLESS ANYBODY HAS ANY.

DOES ANYBODY WANT TO ADD THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT? CLINKSCALES, I DON'T THINK YOU'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY.

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? NO.

OKAY, I'M GOING.

HANG THIS ONE UP. NOW, REMEMBER, BOARD MEMBERS, WE CAN SEND ADDITIONAL FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS TO STAFF, WHETHER IT'S MR. WOJCIECHOWSKI, MS.. SHERMAN AND I'M SURE THEY WOULD CERTAINLY BRING THE ANSWERS BACK IN FRONT OF THE WHOLE BOARD, SO WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HIGHLIGHT THAT.

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WE'RE HOPING TO GET REMAINING DEPARTMENTS PRESENTATIONS.

WE'RE HOPING TO GET OUR ANSWERS BACK THAT WE'VE ASKED TONIGHT.

AND THEN MY THOUGHT PROCESS IS THAT PERHAPS IT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE TIME AT THAT MEETING TO MAYBE EVEN ADD AS AN AGENDA ITEM TO SPECIFICALLY PROCESS THE ONE DEC THAT WE DIDN'T, THAT BEING STANTEC.

BUT I WILL SAY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO ANOTHER PRESENTATION TO THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION BEFORE THIS BOARD MEETS AGAIN.

SO MY THOUGHT PROCESS IS TO GET THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

THERE'LL BE SOME SOME LIVE MODELING, SO TO SPEAK, TO GET THAT MODELING AND BRING THAT BACK FORTH BEFORE THE BOARD SO THAT WHEN WE DO DOVE INTO THE CAP AS THIS BOARD IS GOING TO DO, WE CAN DO IT WITH WITH THE MOST UP TO DATE INFORMATION.

SO IF THAT PLEASES EVERYBODY, I THINK THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT WE SHOULD HEAD.

WHILE I'M TALKING, I WILL SAY THAT IN REFERENCE TO NEXT MEETING, MR. SEIBERT SUCCEEDED MR. PARR AS THE CHAIR BECAUSE HE WAS THE VICE CHAIR.

BUT IN IN MISSING THIS MEETING AND STAFF, PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT'S HIS THIRD CONSECUTIVE ABSENCE.

THEREFORE, HE WOULD NO LONGER BE ON BOARD.

MR. WOJCIECHOWSKI.

IT'S HIS FIFTH ABSENCE IN ONE ONE CALENDAR YEAR.

SO HE IS GOING TO BE REMOVED.

SO I AM GOING TO SUBMIT TO THE CITY CLERK TOMORROW A REQUEST TO HAVE HIM REMOVED.

SO AT THE NEXT MEETING WE WILL HAVE TO ELECT OR YOU'RE GOING TO MOVE UP TO.

SO THE WAY THAT THE BYLAWS READ.

YEAH. IS THAT, IS THAT THE VICE CHAIR SUCCEEDS THE CHAIR USUALLY WHEN AT TERM END, BUT IN THIS INSTANCE THEN WE WOULD NEED TO ELECT A VICE CHAIR.

RIGHT. AND.

DOES IT GO NOW? I GUESS IT WILL NOW GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THEM TO REQUEST A BECAUSE I BELIEVE HE WAS AT LARGE FOR THE VACANCY.

YEAH. IT'LL BE ANNOUNCED AT A FUTURE MEETING.

YEAH, RIGHT. SO ALL THAT SAID, I HAVE A CONFLICT WITH THE MAY 11TH MEETING, WHICH I DO BELIEVE IS OUR NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING.

IS THAT CORRECT? SO I'M HAPPY TO SERVE AS YOUR VICE CHAIR.

I'LL BE VERY HAPPY TO CARRY ON AND SERVE AS THE CHAIR OF THIS BOARD.

I WOULD LOVE IF WE COULD COME OFF OF THE 11TH AT ALL.

I SEE THE NINTH AS A POTENTIAL FOR MYSELF.

BUT AGAIN, THAT THAT IS TOTALLY UP TO THE BOARD.

IF YOU ALL WANT TO MEET AT THAT TIME, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN PROCEED WITH BUSINESS AS USUAL.

BUT I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ATTEND A MEETING ON THE 11TH.

THEN I WANT TO MAKE THE BOARD AWARE OF THAT.

I APPRECIATE THAT. MA'AM, COULD YOU TELL US AHEAD OF TIME? I LIKE THAT. YES, MA'AM.

YES. I CANNOT PROCEED WITH THAT.

BUT. WELL, THANK YOU.

I DON'T WANT ANY OF MY WIFE TO SAY THAT TO ME.

THANK YOU. SO MONDAY INSTEAD.

SO, GRANTED, IT FITS THE CITY SCHEDULE.

RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S GOING TO BE.

AND THAT'S WHY I VIEWED IT, BECAUSE I THINK IT DOES JUST FROM MY GENERAL KNOWLEDGE OF I GO TO TOO MANY CITY EVENTS.

DO YOU ALL WANT TO GIVE US MAYBE TWO OPTIONS SO WE CAN LOOK AT JUST TO SEE IF THE NINTH LOOKS GOOD FOR EVERYBODY? WELL, FIRST, LET'S CONFIRM THAT YOU ALL ARE OKAY ON MONDAY THE NINTH.

ALL RIGHT. SO WHERE I AM AT IS THAT THE 11TH FORWARD IN THAT WEEK? I WILL BE OUT OF TOWN.

I'M LEAVING TOWN ON THE 11TH, SO I WON'T BE HERE THE 11TH, THE 12TH OR THE 13TH.

I KNOW THAT WE'LL HAVE COUNCIL MEETINGS, THE FIFTH AND THE 19TH.

THOSE ARE THURSDAYS.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THE CHAMBER GETS USED ON MONDAYS.

THAT'S WHY I WAS ATTRACTED TO THE NINTH AS A SUGGESTION.

NO. LIKE.

BUT AS A AS AN ALTERNATIVE.

SO BETWEEN THE NINTH AND THE 16TH.

RIGHT. 16.

IT WOULD BE A MOTION FROM THE BOARD TO REQUEST STAFF TO LOOK AT THE NINTH OR THE 16TH AND FOLLOW UP WITH US.

AND SO, SO MOVED BY MS..

BEAUCHAMP TO INSTRUCT STAFF.

DO I HAVE A SECOND ON THAT MOTION? SECOND THAT OKAY, SO I HAVE A MOTION FROM MS..

BEAUCHAMP TO REQUEST STAFF TO LOOK INTO RESCHEDULING US FOR PRIMARILY THE NINTH.

IF THE NINTH DOESN'T WORK, HOPEFULLY THE 16TH AND COMMUNICATE THAT TO US AND OBVIOUSLY ADVERTISE AS SUCH.

AND MR. WHITE HAS SECONDED THAT MOTION OR I CALL A VOTE.

I'M JUST GOING TO SHARE MY GRATITUDE AND APPRECIATION TO YOU AS A BOARD FOR FOR DOING THAT FOR ME. AND IT WILL BE MY PLEASURE AND HONOR TO SERVE YOU GUYS AS THE CHAIR MOVING FORWARD. AND I WILL ORGANIZE THOSE THAT THAT TIMELINE OR THOUGHT OF IDEAS WITH MR.

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WE'LL GET AS MUCH INFORMATION AS WE CAN THAT WE'VE ASKED FROM THIS EVENING.

AND WE WILL ATTEMPT TO TO DOVE INTO THE LATEST UP TO DATE STANTEC CONVERSATION AND THEN TAKE IT FROM THERE IF IT PLEASES THE BOARD.

HE. FURTHER REVIEW COMMISSION MEETING IS ON THE 19TH IS COMING TUESDAY SIX SIX.

YES. BECAUSE YESTERDAY WAS THE 12TH.

CORRECT. THAT'S WHERE I'M AT.

YESTERDAY WAS THE DOING THEIR PRESENTATION AT THAT MEETING.

YES. SO ONE OF THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION MEMBERS ASKED THAT WE BRING BACK SOME SCENARIOS WHERE THE CAP GETS MOVED FROM A 3%, LIKE A FIVE OR A SIX.

SO THAT'S WHAT STANTEC WILL BE VIRTUALLY ATTENDING THE MEETING TO TALK THROUGH.

ALTHOUGH I MEANT TO TELL YOU, THEY ASKED IF THEY COULD COME IN.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S POSSIBLE. AT THE TIME OF OR AFTER THAT MEETING.

THAT INFORMATION? ABSOLUTELY.

WE CAN WHATEVER GETS PACKAGED FOR THAT GROUP WE CAN SEND YOU TO.

THAT'D BE PERFECT. IT'S RIGHT HERE.

IT'S MAMATA 6:00 MEETING, AND I DO HAPPEN TO SERVE ON THAT COMMISSION.

AND AGAIN, I DON'T SPEAK AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THAT COMMISSION OR ANY OF THE MEMBERS, BUT I AM INTRIGUED BY THE FACT THAT WE'LL PARTAKE IN THAT ACTIVITY.

I WOULD JUST SAY IF ANYBODY COULD ATTEND, THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC.

BUT EVEN IF YOU COULD JUST DIGEST THE INFORMATION OR OF COURSE STAFF IS ALREADY AGREED THAT THEY'LL GET SAID PRESENTATION OVER TO US AS A BOARD, AS A COLLECTIVE BOARD.

BUT I'M EXCITED TO TAKE THAT KNOWLEDGE AND FIRSTHAND.

I'M EXCITED TO BRING IT BACK IN HARD FORM WITH YOU GUYS AND HAVE A GOOD DISCUSSION AROUND IT. MISS GORMLEY.

I WANT EVERYBODY ON THIS.

AND THAT MEETING.

I INTEND TO.

THANK YOU. WELL, I COULD TELL YOU I'LL BE THERE THE SECOND TIME.

THE CHARTER HAS BROUGHT THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION ORIGINALLY SAID THEY WANTED TO ELIMINATE. AT LAST, THAT WAS.

TWO 3%.

BUT THE SECONDARY REQUEST OF WHAT IF THE CAP WAS 6%? THAT BE MIDDLE POINT NO CAP.

AND MAYBE PHASING IT OUT OR WHATEVER.

SO I THINK THE DISCUSSION IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.

I THINK WE AS CITIZENS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY.

I HAVE A THREE MINUTE PRESENTATION OR INPUT.

WE ARE THE MOST.

KNOWLEDGEABLE. YEAH.

I NEED HELP MORE TO BE A GOOD FIRST HAND LEARNING OPPORTUNITY.

IF EVERYBODY COULD AT LEAST LOOK AT THAT AND PUT IT ON THEIR CALENDARS, WHAT DOES THAT DO ABOUT THE SUNSHINE? WE DON'T TALK TO EACH OTHER.

DON'T SIT THERE. YEAH, EXACTLY.

WELL, I'M ALREADY WORRIED ABOUT ME AND YOU BECAUSE WE KEEP SHOWING UP AND HE'S ON EVERY BOARD I'M ON. I DON'T KNOW.

THAT'S WHY I JUST GIVE YOU A NOD.

I DON'T MEAN TO BE RUDE. I JUST GIVE YOU A LITTLE NOD, BECAUSE SOMEHOW WE'LL END UP TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING WE SIT ON A BOARD WITH.

OH, GOODNESS. SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT I FAIL TO DO, BOARD MEMBERS, IS I DIDN'T CALL THE QUESTION. SO WE WE GOT A MOTION, BUT WE NEVER I DIDN'T CALL THE QUESTION ON IT.

SO THE MOTION OF THE SCHEDULING, THE NINTH OR THE 16TH, ALL IN FAVOR, I.

ALL RIGHT. SO NOW WE'RE AT THE POINT THAT WE COVERED THAT UNLESS THERE'S ANY FURTHER BUSINESS. MS..

CONNELLY NO PROBLEM.

YEP. YEP. YOU'RE STILL GOOD ON THAT.

OKAY. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE ADMINISTRATIVELY WE'RE COVERING OUR BASES.

THAT'S MY RESPONSIBILITY AS A CHAIR.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE I DO IT.

YEAH. THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION IS REALLY A.

POP IN PLACE.

AND I WILL TELL YOU, I LEARNED SOMETHING THAT IS VERY SIGNIFICANT FOR ALL OF US SITTING HERE. SOMETHING I DID NOT KNOW SITTING IN THE SEAT THAT IS IN OUR GENERAL FUND.

THERE IS NO LINE ITEM FOR ROAD MAINTENANCE.

NO MONEY IS ALLOCATED.

AND WE DID THAT.

WE VOTED IN.

WE ADVISED THE COUNCIL, BASICALLY.

750,000. THANKS TO YOU.

THANKS TO YOU. OKAY.

BUT THERE IS NO NOTHING THAT SAYS THAT IS A REPETITIVE LINE ITEM IN THE BUDGET.

AND AS A RESULT.

COUNCIL CHANGES THAT MAY GET OVERLOOKED OR IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY OR FUNDS ARE TIGHT,

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HAVING SAID THAT, THE OTHER THING I FOUND OUT IS THAT.

I HAVE MY INFORMATION, BUT.

YEAH. SO REPAIRS OF ROAD.

DON'T YOU THINK? SO MAINTENANCE IS OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND.

THE REPAIRS OF ROAD IS FROM THE BOND FUND.

CORRECT. LET ME CLARIFY, MAKE SURE I'M SAYING IT RIGHT.

SO THE GO BOND FUND IS BEING USED TO PAVE, REPAIR, WHATEVER WORD YOU'D LIKE TO USE.

WE'LL SEE THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE ROADS IN THE CITY.

THE ROAD MAINTENANCE FUND IS.

IS INTENDED GOING FORWARD TO TAKE CARE OF.

MAINTAINING THOSE NICELY NEW PAVED ROADS FOR THE FUTURE.

IF HISTORICALLY THE ROAD MAINTENANCE FUND HAD BEEN PROPERLY FUNDED.

AND WE'LL JUST SAY.

FOR DECADES, PROPERLY FUNDED EVERY YEAR, WE MIGHT NOT HAVE NEEDED THE ROAD BOND.

TO GET OUR ROADS BACK IN ORDER.

I MEAN, THAT'S. IT'S EASY FOR ME TO SAY THAT NOW, BUT I ALSO KNOW THERE ARE MANY REASONS THAT LED TO WHY WE ARE WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY.

BUT IRREGARDLESS.

SO JUST SO YOU'RE CLEAR, THE ROAD BOND IS JUST TO GET EVERYTHING BACK UP TO SPEED AND PROPERLY. ALL THE ROADS IN GOOD WORKING CONDITION.

RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHY IT'S TAKING US ABOUT SEVEN YEARS.

WE SAY 5 TO 7 YEARS TO DO THE WHOLE PROGRAM.

SO WE HAVE SOME TIME TO PREPARE TO COME BEHIND VERY FIRST PHASE PHASES OF ROADS WHEN IT COMES TIME TO DO REJUVENATION, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE TIME, WE'VE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF TIME SORT OF BUILDING OUR FUNDS SO WE CAN TAKE CARE OF THAT.

WHEN IT COMES TO LIKE THIRD YEAR AFTER THOSE INITIAL ROADS WERE PAVED, COME INTO REJUVENATION, THAT EXTENDS THE LIFE OF THOSE ROADS COME IN AND DO IT A SECOND TIME SINCE IT EVEN FURTHER. UM, BUT I GUESS THE POINT TO CLARIFY IS WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO DO AND WHAT OUR PRIORITY IS AT A STAFF LEVEL.

AND I KNOW COUNCIL AS WELL IS TO FULLY FUND INCREASINGLY EVERY YEAR GOING FORWARD THE REOCCURRING FUNDING THAT IS GOING INTO THE ROAD MAINTENANCE FUND, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW ALL THAT'S REOCCURRING IS $750,000 ON THAT FOR TWO YEARS, PLUS THE ITEMS THAT COME IN THERE FOR SELLING PROPERTIES, WHICH I JUST REALLY THINK OF AS WE CALL THAT BONUS ITEMS, IT DOESN'T REALLY IT'S NOT A BUDGET THAT'S JUST EXTRA.

SO THAT'S WHY THIS YEAR WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON MAKING ANOTHER SIGNIFICANT MOVE OF REOCCURRING FUNDING. SO THAT'S FROM GENERAL FUND.

SO IT'S TAX DOLLARS COMING IN BEING PUT DIRECTLY INTO THE ROAD MAINTENANCE FUND.

I ALSO MENTIONED TO THE CHARTER GROUP AND I'VE SAID THIS A COUPLE OTHER TIMES.

IN A COUPLE OF YEARS WHEN THE SIERRA SUNSETS.

ONE OF MY RECOMMENDATIONS.

THE COUNCIL IS GOING TO BE.

BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S ESSENTIALLY PROPERTY TAXES THAT ARE SET ASIDE IN THE CRA FOR SPECIAL PURPOSE. SO THOSE COME BACK INTO GENERAL FUND ONCE THE CRA IS GONE.

SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS GOING TO BE TAKE ALL OF THAT FUNDING AND DROP IT DIRECTLY INTO THE ROAD MAINTENANCE FUND BECAUSE THAT IS REOCCURRING FUNDING THAT IS JUST THERE AVAILABLE. DON'T DO ANYTHING ELSE WITH IT.

THE FIRST THING LARRY AND I TALKED ABOUT, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE MY RECOMMENDATION.

OBVIOUSLY, NO ONE'S VOTED ON THAT.

THAT'S NOT OFFICIAL. THAT'S FOR COUNCIL TO DECIDE.

BUT. THAT WILL GET US A SIGNIFICANT JUMP IN THE FUNDING RIGHT THERE.

THAT'S REOCCURRING.

THAT'S A COUPLE OF MILLION DOLLARS IS MY ESTIMATE AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME NOT KNOWING WHAT VALUES WILL BE LIKE. SO SORRY.

I KNOW. AND WE NEED $3.1 MILLION ANNUALLY, ACCORDING TO FRANK WATANABE.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE AVERAGE FOR THE THE LIFESPAN OF THE ROAD MATRIX, WHATEVER WE CALL THAT, OFFICIALLY, THE AVERAGE COMES OUT TO 3 TO 4 MILLION A YEAR.

BUT WHAT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT, TOO, IS THERE ARE POINTS IN TIME WHERE YOU COULD DO SOMETHING BIGGER. SO IT'S NOT JUST 3 TO $4 MILLION.

EVERY YEAR WILL BE GOOD.

WE NEED TO BUILD MY OPINION MORE SO THAT WHEN WE GET TO THE YEAR WHERE MAYBE WE ACTUALLY NEED TO SPEND 5 MILLION, WE HAVE EXTRA.

THAT BEING THE UPCOMING BUDGETS.

I MEAN, WHO'S WHO'S DEPARTMENT THAT WE WOULD LOOK FOR THAT IN A PUBLIC WORKS PRESENTATION WHICH IS ONE OF OUR FOUR OUTSTANDING.

OKAY. AND I'M LOOKING AT PUBLIC WORKS GROWTH MANAGEMENT.

THAT'S TOO. COME ON.

I GOT TO COME UP WITH TWO MORE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

WHAT ARE THE OTHER TWO? WHAT ARE THE OTHER TWO? PARKS AND FACILITIES.

FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

SO THAT WE GOT A GOOD R.

YEAH. FIVE BECAUSE I SAID 13.

THERE'S 14 DEPARTMENTS, RIGHT.

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DO I HEAR A MOTION TO ADJOURN? I MOTION MISS BOTTOM MOTION SECONDED BY MR. WHITE. ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT ADJOURNMENT? NO. MISS CLINKSCALES NOT ON THE ADJOURNMENT, BUT THE CHARTER REVIEW MEETING IS.

HAS THESE RECOMMENDATIONS BEEN FINALIZED ALREADY, OR IS IT STILL OPEN TO EARLY? EARLY IN THE PHASES? EARLY. I WOULD SAY THAT THE COMMISSION I DO NOT SPEAK FOR THE COMMISSION.

I'M JUST A CITIZEN THAT HAPPENS TO SERVE ON IT.

I WOULD SAY THE PHASE THAT WE'RE IN IS WE'VE WENT THROUGH THE CONTENT OF THE CHARTER AND NOW IT'S THAT CIRCLE BACK, THAT REFINE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MORE MEETINGS.

I THINK WE'RE SLATED TO MEET THROUGH JUNE, BUT IT MAY SOMETHING LIKE MAY.

SO IT MAY GET TO THE POINT THAT THE COMMISSION DECIDES, HEY, LET'S SEND UP WHAT WE HAVE NOW. BUT IT IS STILL IN THE YOU CAN INFLUENCE PHASE SO SO COME OUT.

CITIZENRY I KNOW THAT ALL OF PALM BAY IS WATCHING OUR MEETING AT 911 THIS EVENING, SO COME ON OUT RIGHT HERE TO THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS ON THE 26TH.

SEE US 6:00.

BUT THIS BOARD WILL MEET MOST LIKELY ON THE NINTH.

WE WILL HEAR FROM MR. ROGALSKI.

I HAD THAT MOTION TO ADJOURN ALL IN FAVOR.

THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED AT 912.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.