May 04, 2022 Planning and Zoning Board

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ALL RIGHT, FOLKS, CAN I HAVE YOUR ATTENTION? WE'RE GOING TO GET STARTED.

THE MAY 4TH, 2022 MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD IS CALLED TO ORDER.

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HIS PLAN. STATES OF AMERICA IS A VERY PUBLIC SPACE NATION WHERE GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

WE SHOULD CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

YES, MR. BOEREMA PRESIDENT.

MR. GOOD. MISS JORDAN HAS ASKED TO BE EXCUSED.

MISS MIRAGE. MR. OLSZEWSKI PRESIDENT.

MR. WARNER PRESIDENT.

MR. WEINBERG PRESIDENT.

KARAFFA. WE ARE EXPECTING AND OUR BOARD COUNSEL, DAVID ERIC MESSENGER IS PRESENT.

WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. OKAY.

THANK YOU, JOHN. OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS THE ADOPTION OF MINUTES FROM OUR APRIL SIX, 2022 MEETING.

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THEY HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND FROM DON.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR. SAY I II ALL OPPOSED.

MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

FOR THE BENEFIT OF EVERYONE IN ATTENDANCE.

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ALL MEMBERS OF THE BOARD ARE UNPAID VOLUNTEERS APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.

OUR PROCEDURES ARE AS FOLLOWS THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT STAFF WILL PRESENT THE STAFF REPORT FOR EACH CASE.

BOARD MEMBERS WILL THEN BE ASKED IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

THE APPLICANT OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVE WILL THEN BE ASKED TO COME TO THE PODIUM AND PRESENT ANY INFORMATION GERMANE TO THE CASE AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD.

THE FLOOR WILL THEN BE OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.

WE WILL FIRST HEAR FROM THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE APPLICATION THAN THOSE OPPOSED OR ALL PROCEEDINGS.

ALL APPLICANTS AND SPEAKERS FROM THE AUDIENCE MUST SIGN OATH CARDS LOCATED AT THE PODIUM.

PLEASE PRINT LEGIBLY AND SPEAK DIRECTLY INTO THE MICROPHONE AND PLEASE TURN OFF YOUR PHONES.

AS I SAID, PLEASE PRINT LEGIBLY AND SPEAK DIRECTLY INTO THE MICROPHONE AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

AS A COURTESY, I ASK THAT IF THERE IS A GROUP OF PEOPLE FROM A NEIGHBORHOOD WHO MAY HAVE SIMILAR COMMENTS, YOU INFORMALLY APPOINT A SPOKESMAN TO CLARIFY YOUR VIEWS.

AFTER PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WILL BRING THE CASE BACK TO THE BOARD.

AT THIS TIME, THE FLOOR WILL BE CLOSED AND NO FURTHER COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC WILL BE HEARD.

I WILL THEN CALL FOR A MOTION AND A SECOND AT WHICH TIME THE BOARD MAY HAVE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR FURTHER DISCUSSION.

I WILL THEN CALL FOR A VOTE.

DECISIONS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD ARE THEN FORWARDED TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR FINAL DISPOSITION.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENDANCE AND FOR YOUR COOPERATION.

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ALEX, PLEASE. GOOD EVENING.

THE FIRST CASE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS A V 12, 2022.

THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE TO ALLOW A PROPOSED SCREEN LANAI TO ENCROACH EIGHT FEET INTO THE 20 FOOT REAR REQUIRED SETBACK. AND IT'S IN AN ESTABLISHED HOA, WHERE OVER IN BAYSIDE LAKES, THE PROPERTY IS IN A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT CALLED AMBER WOOD AT BAYSIDE LAKES, FRONTING ON DILLARD'S STREET SOUTHEAST.

THE HOME WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 2015 AND THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN OWNED BY THE APPLICANT SINCE IT WAS CONSTRUCTED.

THE APPLICANT IS WANTING TO CONSTRUCT A 520 SQUARE FOOT SCREEN LANAI, WHICH WILL ENCROACH EIGHT FEET INTO THE REQUIRED 20 FOOT SETBACK.

AND I BELIEVE ALL OF THE ANALYSIS IS IN YOUR PACKET.

IF THERE'S ANYTHING SPECIFIC THAT YOU HAD QUESTIONS ON, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THAT.

AND I BELIEVE THAT THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE.

THANK YOU. ALEX, IS THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NONE. WILL THE APPLICANT PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM? GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON.

SO SHE SAID YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE, SIR.

OH, SORRY. FIRST TIME HERE.

MY NAME IS FRANCISCO FELICIANO.

MY ADDRESS IS 711 LA DRIVE.

I DO BELIEVE IN NUMBER, BUT WELL INTO A COMMUNITY.

DO YOU WANT ME TO EXPLAIN THE PROJECT? JUST BRIEFLY. YEAH, BRIEFLY.

I WANT WE.

ME AND MY WIFE TRYING TO EXTEND OUR BACK PATIO 420 SQUARE FOOT.

AND WE JUST HAD ALREADY PUT THE CONCRETE SLAB AND WE JUST WANTED TO DO A SCREEN SCREENING PORCH.

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HERE IN FLORIDA, WE'LL STILL BE ABLE TO ENJOY THE BACK PATIO WITH A NEWBORN.

SO AS A BOARD, HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. FELICIANO? NO, THANK YOU, SIR.

YOU MAY BE SEATED. THANK YOU.

OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS APPLICATION OR OPPOSED.

NO, NO. I WILL CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR A MOTION.

I GOT A MOTION, PLEASE.

MR. CHAIR, I MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE CASE AT V 12 2020 TO RECOMMEND FOR APPROVAL A MOTION FROM RANDALL SECOND FROM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR.

SAY I ALL OPPOSED.

MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

THANK YOU, SIR. OUR NEXT CASE, PLEASE, MR. ANDERSON. GOOD EVENING, BOARD MEMBERS.

FOR OUR SECOND CASE TONIGHT, WE HAVE CP 14 2022.

IT IS LOCATED WEST AND ADJACENT TO GARVEY ROAD IS APPROXIMATELY 191 ACRES IN SIZE.

THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE IS INDUSTRIAL USE WITH A CURRENT ZONING DISTRICT OF JIU GENERAL USE HOLDING.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING FOR THIS APPLICATION TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE FROM INDUSTRIAL TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

AND THE RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR SEP 14, 2022.

STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL.

THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, MR. HENDERSON.

WILL THE APPLICANT PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM? GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN.

MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.

MY NAME IS BRUCE MOIR WITH DNB ENGINEERING, REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT ON THIS PROJECT WE CALL OSPREY LANDING.

IT'S A RATHER LARGE PROPERTY THAT'S VACANT IN THE SOUTH PART OF THE CITY, SOUTHWEST PART OF THE CITY.

IT'S CURRENTLY AN INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY.

I THINK AT ONE POINT IN TIME THEY WERE PLANNING ON PUTTING SOME KIND OF AN INDUSTRIAL FACILITY OUT THERE.

THAT WAS QUITE SOME TIME AGO AND THAT NEVER PANNED OUT.

SO THE OWNER IS NOW LOOKING AT DOING A RESIDENTIAL PROJECT OUT THERE.

IT'S MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL ON THE SURROUNDING, SO WE THINK IT'S WAY MORE COMPATIBLE THAN INDUSTRIAL USE.

SO THIS IS A TWO PART REQUEST.

SO THIS IS REALLY THE FIRST STEP IN THE PROCESS WHERE WE WOULD BE WANTING A LAND USE AMENDMENT.

AND THEN THE SECOND ITEM ON THAT FOLLOWS THIS ITEM IS TO GET THE REZONING FOR THIS PROPERTY SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.

WE WILL BE DOING A PWD, SO THE ACTUAL PLAN WILL BE COMING TO YOU FOR YOU TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING.

WE HAVE SUBMITTED THAT TO THE STAFF.

IT IS IT'S MADE UP OF SEVERAL DIFFERENT COMPONENTS WITH A WIDE VARIETY OF RESIDENTIAL TYPES, WHICH I THINK THIS FROM BEING AT SEVERAL OF THE CITY MEETINGS I THINK IS ATTRACTIVE TO THE CITY TO WHERE THEY HAVE A VARIETY OF APARTMENTS, TOWNHOUSES, SMALL, SMALLER, LOT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND A LITTLE BIT LARGER, LOT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ALL IN THE SAME AREA.

SO IT'LL BE QUITE THE VENTURE.

WE'LL BE EXTENDING WATER AND SEWER FROM THE NORTH DOWN.

GARVEY AND WE WILL ALSO BE EXTENDING GARVEY TO THE PROPERTY AND THEN EVENTUALLY, WHEN IT'S WARRANTED, EXTENDING GARVEY ALL THE WAY DOWN TO BOMBARDIER.

SO ALL BEING DONE BY THIS PROJECT.

SO WE'LL BE GETTING A NICE COLLECTIVE ROAD CONSTRUCTED AS WELL AS EXTENDING UTILITIES QUITE A WAYS TO IN FRONTING SEVERAL OTHER PROPERTIES THAT ARE POTENTIAL FOR DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS SERVING THIS AS WELL.

THE SITE IS PRETTY MUCH A AN AGRICULTURAL RANCH WITH VERY LITTLE TREES.

ANY TREES THAT ARE THERE WE'RE PLANNING TO PRESERVE, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S REALLY NOT THAT MANY, IT'S MOSTLY CLEARED.

IT HAS LIKE A LAKE, LIKE AN OLD BAR PIT THAT WAS NEVER COMPLETED ON THE PROPERTY.

THERE'S A THERE'S A COMMUNICATIONS TOWER ON THE NORTH END AND IT'S BASICALLY SURROUNDED BY MELBOURNE TILLMAN CANALS.

SO IT'S KIND OF SEPARATED FROM, FROM EVERYTHING AROUND IT.

SO IT LOOKS, IT'S, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE VERY IMPACTFUL COMPARED TO WHAT'S OUT THERE.

IT PROBABLY WILL BE AN IMPROVEMENT BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S, YOU KNOW, AG LAND IS ONE OF THE WORST POLLUTERS OF STORMWATER THAT HAS DIRECT DISCHARGE TO THE CANALS WILL BE TAKING THAT STORMWATER, TREATING IT PRIOR TO DISCHARGING IT AND REDUCING THAT DISCHARGE RATE SUBSTANTIALLY BECAUSE WE ARE DISCHARGING TO THE MELBOURNE TILMAN.

SO IT'LL BE AN IMPROVEMENT TO THE WATER QUALITY IN THE AREA.

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WE'LL BE EXTENDING UTILITIES FROM THE NORTH AND AS WELL AS EXTENDING AND CONNECTING A MAJOR COLLECTOR ROAD IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

SO WE HOPE THAT WE CAN GET YOUR APPROVAL ON THIS.

AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

IS BOARD. HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. MOYA? I HAVE A QUESTION, PLEASE.

ONE QUESTION YOU HAD MENTIONED, GABI IS GOING TO BE EXTENDED THROUGH TO BOMBARDIER.

YES, SIR. IS THAT.

HAVE YOU BEEN TOGETHER WITH THE CITY YET? TO SEE IF THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE THAT A FOUR LANE? I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO BE FOUR LANES.

I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR FOUR LANES.

SO THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE SOME WORK.

IT'S NOT WARRANTED TO BE FOUR LANES IN ORDER TO SUPPORT THIS.

BUT I DON'T THINK YOU GUYS HAVE THE.

THAT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME SOME DOING BY THE CITY TO COLLECT RIGHT AWAY IN ORDER TO FOUR LANE THIS.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, SIR. MR. CHAIR.

GO AHEAD. JUST A QUESTION ON YOU.

COULD YOU JUST GO A LITTLE BIT IN DETAIL AS THE REASON WHY THE DENSITY WENT FROM FIVE UNITS PER ACRE TO 37, ALMOST 37 UNITS PER ACRE.

37. I DON'T THINK WE'RE THAT HIGH.

WHAT IS. WHAT ARE YOU. WHAT.

WHAT ARE YOU PROPOSING? RS UNITS PER ACRE.

I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE DIFFERENT.

YOU'RE PUTTING ON DIFFERENT.

YOU HAD TOWNHOUSES, YOU HAD MULTIFAMILY.

YOU HAD. YEAH. THE ALLOWABLE DENSITY FOR FOR FOR THE LAND USE WOULD BE FIVE UNITS TO THE ACRE.

WE'RE PROPOSING 4.56.

IT'S TO THE ACRE.

GOOD QUESTION, RAINER. OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO THIS IS GOING TO BE A GATED COMMUNITY.

WE DON'T KNOW YET.

IT'S POSSIBLE, BUT I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF INTERCONNECTION INTERNALLY, AS WELL AS SHARED AMENITIES, CLUBHOUSES AND POOLS AND ALL THAT. I DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT IF THEY'RE GOING TO GET IT.

RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE NO PLANS TO, BUT THAT COULD CHANGE.

AND MY QUESTION WOULD BE THE STAFF STAFF THAT THIS IS AN INDUSTRIAL.

AND OF COURSE, I KNOW THE CITY OF PALM BAY DOESN'T HAVE MUCH INDUSTRIAL ZONING OR I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS THE LIKELIHOOD OR IS DO YOU KNOW IF WE HAVE BUSINESSES ACTIVELY LOOKING OR MEETING WITH THE CITY TO GET ACCESS TO INDUSTRIAL? AND WOULD THAT BE AN IDEAL LOCATION BEING THE TILLMAN CANAL RIGHT THERE? RIGHT. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS IS ON.

SO AS FAR AS FUTURE INDUSTRIAL LANDS AND RESIDENTIAL, THAT'S PART OF WHAT OUR OVERALL VISION IS WHEN WE DO THE REWRITE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT FINISHING THE VISION 2040 AND ROLLING INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS TO IDENTIFY THOSE AREAS SUCH AS LIKE, OH, THIS AREA OVER HERE IS GOING TO BE PERFECT FOR INDUSTRIAL, WHEREAS THIS ONE OVER HERE WILL BE GOOD FOR RESIDENTIAL, AND WE NEED THIS MUCH INDUSTRIAL TO MAKE US A WHOLE CITY. SO WE ARE JUST IN THE FOREFRONT OF STARTING TO DO THAT PROCESS.

SEPARATE FROM MR..

SO BASED ON THIS, HOW DOES THIS IN LEAGUE WITH THE PLAN FOR THE CITY? IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE ACTUALLY WANT TO DO NOW BEFORE WE WE WE ACTUALLY JUST HAD A CONFERENCE CALL TODAY AT 4:00 ABOUT ABOUT GETTING IT WAS IT WAS A KICKOFF MEETING OR STARTING THE REWRITE OF THAT.

AND WE WILL ACTUALLY BE PRESENTING TO YOU A PUBLIC SHOP IN JULY TO TALK ABOUT ALL OF THAT.

BUT IF THERE'S ANY OTHER I LOVE TO HAVE A SIDE CONVERSATION ABOUT INDUSTRIAL.

THEN THERE'S YOUR QUESTION. JUST ONE LITTLE CORRECTION.

THE PROPERTY IS NOT ZONED INDUSTRIAL.

IT'S OWN GENERAL USE, WHICH IS A HOLDING ZONING.

IT IS. LIKE I SAID, IT'S THE FUTURE.

LAND USE WAS WAS DESIGNATED AS INDUSTRIAL.

ALSO IF IF IT WOULD IF I COULD, WE'D NOTICE THAT THERE WAS A TYPO ON THE ON THE ON THE AGENDA.

WE HAD APPLIED FOR MULTIFAMILY, NOT SINGLE FAMILY LAND USE, BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO APARTMENTS ON SINGLE FAMILY.

SO JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU REALIZE THAT AND WE BELIEVE IT WAS ADVERTISED AS MULTIFAMILY.

THAT'S WHAT WE APPLIED FOR. BUT THE AGENDAS AND I CAN VERIFY THAT MULTIFAMILY WAS WHAT WE DID ADVERTISE RIGHT THE SECOND.

THANK YOU. MR. ANDERSON.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. MOYER? I HAVE ONE QUESTION.

WAS THERE ANY. I DIDN'T SEE ANY PUBLIC.

THINK WE ACTUALLY HAVE.

I BELIEVE THERE'S A LETTER IN THE FILE SUPPORTING THIS.

THERE WAS ONE LETTER IN THE FILE SAYING THAT THEY THEY WOULD PREFER RESIDENTIAL THAN INDUSTRIAL.

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WE HAD VERY FEW PEOPLE TURN OUT AND WE HAD VERY NO CONCERNS THAT WE DIDN'T ALREADY ADDRESS.

SO MAYBE THERE'S SOME NEW PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT MAY HAVE SOME CONCERNS, AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS THOSE WHEN THEY COME UP.

SO YOU'LL SEE ME BACK UP HERE OF ANY COMMENTS TO COME UP.

AND ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? JUST ONE QUICK ONE, MR. MOIR, REGARDING THE THE COMMENTS THAT WHOEVER CAME, WHAT WAS ARE SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT THEY HAD? JUST THE ROADWAY EXTENSION THAT WE WERE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE GOING TO EXTEND IT AND BRING IN THE WATER AND.

YEAH, THEY WANTED. YEAH. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC'S ALWAYS A CONCERN.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE WILL BE WE HAVE DONE A TRAFFIC STUDY.

WE DO KNOW THAT TO BUILD THIS PROJECT OUT, WE WILL HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY TO BOMBARDIER.

WE KNOW WE DON'T HAVE TO GO TO FOUR LANES.

WE KNOW WE DON'T HAVE TO EXTEND ALL THE WAY AT UP TO A CERTAIN POINT.

BUT EVENTUALLY, IF THIS THING IS A HUGE SUCCESS, WHICH WE HOPE IT WILL BE, YOU'LL SEE A NEW ROAD GOING FROM BOMBARDIER ALL THE WAY TO PALM BAY, PORT MALABAR OR MALABAR ROAD.

IT'D BE NICE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. SO WE'RE BACK ON THE MAP.

SIR, I'D LIKE TO ASK WHAT'S GOING TO BE THE PRIMARY POINT OF ACCESS FOR THIS SITE? ALL ACCESS WILL BE TO GAVI GAVI ROAD.

YES, SIR. AND WE ARE PROPOSING TO TWO MAIN ACCESSES.

AND JUST AS A TRIVIAL FACT.

BUT TO FOR THE CONVERSATION.

HOW DO YOU ACCESS THE SITE TODAY? BECAUSE THERE IS NO ROADS, SO THERE IS NO ROAD, NO GAVI ENDS.

AND I BELIEVE THAT CANAL HAS ERODED THE THE RIGHT OF WAY.

SO I DON'T THINK YOU CAN ACTUALLY DRIVE THROUGH THERE.

YOU CAN COME UP FROM BOMBARDIER.

YEAH, ACTUALLY THROUGH MADDEN.

YEAH. ON DIRT ROAD.

SO WHEN MY CURIOSITY POINT IS AS FAR AS MADDEN GOES, IS THAT GOING TO LOOP INTO YOUR SITE AT ANY POINT? IS THAT PART OF YOUR PRELIMINARY PLANS OR IS EVERYTHING GOING TO STAY INTERNAL AND PUSH EVERYTHING TOWARDS GAVI? THERE'S NO YEAH, WE'RE NOT TYING INTO THOSE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAYS THAT ARE UNIMPROVED.

THERE'S NO HOUSES OUT THERE, THERE'S NO ROADS THERE.

SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO TIE INTO THOSE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT AWAYS.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO COME FROM THE NORTH TO THE SOUTH AT THE BEGINNING PHASES OF YOUR PROJECT, ACCESS IT ESSENTIALLY FROM JUPITER AND GAVI.

IT'S GOING TO BE PRIMARY ACCESS.

CORRECT. AND THEN AS YOUR YOUR PROJECT MOVES FORWARD, YOU'RE GOING TO CONNECT IT FROM BOMBARDIER NORTHWARD INTO WHAT YOU HAVE GOING ON.

AND YOU MENTIONED CITY OBTAINING RIGHT AWAY.

NOW, AT THE POINT OF THE PROJECT, ALL OF THE RIGHT AWAY THAT WOULD BE OBTAINED WOULD BE FROM FROM YOU.

RIGHT. WELL, WE WE WOULD THERE'S RIGHT AWAY THERE.

NOW, I KNOW THE CITY HAS HAS OBTAINED SOME ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT EVENTUALLY THIS ROAD IS GOING TO GO THROUGH.

OBVIOUSLY, THAT MAKES SENSE.

IT'S A COLLECTIVE ROAD IT'S GOING TO GO THROUGH AT SOME POINT IN TIME.

SO THEY HAVEN'T PURCHASED SOME PROPERTY ENOUGH TO GET THE ROADWAY THROUGH THAT ROAD.

THAT RIGHT AWAY IS SHARED BY THE MELBOURNE TILLMAN CANAL, WHICH IS NOT IDEAL OBVIOUSLY.

SO IF THIS THING EVER GOT TO THE POINT WHERE IT BECAME A FOUR LANE COLLECTOR, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE A SIGNIFICANT RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION DONE.

I UNDERSTOOD. SO THAT BEING SAID, YOUR PROPOSITION AND HOW WE'RE TO LOOK AT THIS PROJECT IS THAT ON THE CITIES RIGHT AWAY THAT THEY'VE ALREADY OBTAINED THE REMAINING THAT THEY'LL HAVE TO OBTAIN YOUR PROJECT PLANS TO PAVE THAT ROAD IN BOTH PHASES THAT WE JUST.

ABSOLUTELY. YES YES.

WE'RE GOING TO EXTEND THE UTILITIES AND THE ROADS ON OUR EXPENSE OF THE PROJECT.

ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION, SIR.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? JUST PIPE UP FOR A SECOND.

LET'S SAY THAT THE CITY DOES ALREADY OWN RIGHT OF WAY IN THAT AREA.

SO, YES, I DO.

I HAVE A QUESTION WHICH YOU MAY ADDRESS IT OR MR. ANDERSON MIGHT WANT TO ADDRESS IT.

YOU TALK ABOUT ABOUT GARVEY AND GARVEY KEEPING IT AS TWO LANES IN THE IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY DONE BY YOUR CITY ENGINEER, WHO'S ALSO THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER WHO'S NOT HERE.

UNFORTUNATELY, IN HIS ANALYSIS, HE HAS GARVEY WROTE, AS OPPOSED TO SPEED LIMIT OF 35 MILE PER HOUR FOR CLASS ONE WITH THE FOUR LANE DIVIDED ROADWAY IS 7300 AVERAGE ANNUAL DAILY TRIPS.

A AN AVAILABLE CAPACITY OF 6131.

WHY WOULD HE DO A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS BASED ON FOUR LANE ROAD? YOU'D HAVE TO ASK.

RIGHT? YEAH, BUT WE DID SUBMIT A TRAFFIC STUDY DONE BY KIMLEY-HORN BASED ON THE TWO LANE ROAD, BASED ON THE NUMBER OF TRIPS WE WOULD GENERATE AND WARRANTING THE TWO LANE EXTENSION.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, BRUCE.

THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADDRESS WITH THE CITY ENGINEER.

AND CORRECT THAT THE IF IT'S SOMETHING IF IT WHEN IT GOES TO A CITY COUNCIL, IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE CORRECTED FIRST.

WE DID CHECK INTO THE LEGAL AD AS WELL AS THE APPLICATION.

BOTH DID ACTUALLY LISTS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

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IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. MOIR. EXCUSE ME, MR. CHAIR. GET SOME CLARIFICATION FOR THAT STAFF COMMENT.

SO CURRENTLY, AS ADVERTISED, THE APPLICATION WOULD BE FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, NOT FOR MULTIPLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, THOUGH IT WAS NOT.

THE APPLICATION WAS INCORRECT.

THE APPLICATION WAS INCORRECT.

OKAY. WELL, THEN, IF THAT'S THE CASE AND AT THIS TIME, I'D HAVE TO REQUEST THAT WE TABLE THIS UNTIL WE CORRECT THIS.

ALL RIGHT. I'LL NEED A MOTION FROM THE BOARD TO TABLE THIS.

HOW MUCH TIME WOULD YOU NEED TO.

TO CORRECT THAT? UNTIL THE NEXT PEONS.

I THINK WE CAN. WE HAVE TIME TO MEET TO MAKE THE JUNE MEETING.

AND THAT WILL ALSO CLARIFY THE TRAFFIC ISSUE AS WELL.

THANK YOU, ALEX. SO AND ALSO, CAN WE ADDRESS WITH A DENSITY CHANGE THERE NOW THAT I KNOW THE DENSITY WON'T CHANGE BECAUSE IT ALLOWS US TO DO THE.

SO WE'RE STILL EIGHT 800. IT WAS THE MIX OF UNITS THAT WE WANT WITH BOTH THE TOWNHOMES AND THE IN THE APARTMENTS.

I'M SO BORED I'LL NEED A MOTION TO TO TABLE CP 14 2022 AS WELL AS PD 14 2022 TO OUR JUNE MEETING.

MOTION TO TABLE CP DASH 14, 2022 AND PD 14 2022 TO OUR JUNE MEETING.

SECOND FROM KAY, SECOND FROM DAWN.

ANY COMMENT? ALL IN FAVOR.

SAY I ALL OPPOSED THE MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY SO THAT.

THANK YOU. WE'LL SEE YOU IN JUNE AND JUNE.

AND IF THERE'S ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WAS HERE TO SPEAK ON THE THE OSPREY LANDING, THE PROJECT ON GORBY, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE HEARD TONIGHT AS YOU JUST AS YOU JUST HEARD.

I KNOW. BILL.

YOU HAD SOME COMMENTS.

I THANK YOU, FOLKS.

ALL RIGHT. OUR NEXT CASE IS 16, 20, 22.

WE HAVE A REQUEST TO CONTINUE THAT TO OUR JUNE 1ST MEETING.

SO ONLY IN A MOTION FOR THAT, PLEASE.

MOTION TO CONTINUE CASE PHD 16 2022 TO JUNE 1ST P AND Z BOARD MEETING.

SECOND. FROM RANGER SECOND FROM ANY DISCUSSION.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY I ALL OPPOSED I MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

THANK YOU. LET'S SEE.

MOVING ON. FIVE.

WE ALSO HAVE REQUEST TO CONTINUE PD 15, 20, 22 TO A JUNE 1ST MEETING.

SO CAN I GET A MOTION FOR THAT, PLEASE? MOTION TO CONTINUE THE REQUEST FOR PD 15 2022 TILL JUNE 1ST.

P AND Z BOARD MEETING.

OCEAN FOREIGNER HAVE A SECOND SECOND TAKING FROM ANY DISCUSSION.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY I OPPOSE MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY OUR FIRST CASE UNDER NEW BUSINESS.

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PLEASE OCEAN TO CONTINUE CP 16 2022 TO THE JUNE 1ST P AND Z BOARD MEETING.

I CAN EMOTION FROM READING YOUR SECOND FROM KAY.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR. SAY I OPPOSE.

MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO OUR SECOND CASE UNDER NEW BUSINESS, PLEASE.

ANDERSON. GOOD EVENING.

JESSIE ANDERSON, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF GROWTH MANAGEMENT.

FOR OUR NEXT CASE, WE HAVE CONDITIONALLY USE 17, 20, 22.

IT IS LOCATED AT 491 ORLOFF ROAD NORTHWEST.

THE SIZE OF THE PARCEL IN QUESTION IS 0.34 ACRES.

THE FUTURE LAND USE IS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND THE ZONING DISTRICT IS RS ONE SINGLE FAMILY.

I APOLOGIZE FOR THE ERROR ON THE SCREEN.

AND STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL.

I DO APOLOGIZE. I SHOULD HAVE CONTINUED A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.

I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT. SO THE CONDITIONAL USE IS TO ALLOW FOR A PROPOSED CHURCH TO OPERATE IN THE RS ONE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT.

AND FOR THIS SPECIFIC CASE IN QUESTION, STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMMENTS CONTAINED IN OUR STAFF REPORT.

AND AS I MENTIONED, STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL.

THANK YOU, MR. ANDERSON. HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YOUR STAFF. NO, THANK YOU.

THE APPLICANT. PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM.

GOOD EVENING, BOARD MEMBERS.

I'M LAURIE BORSE.

I'M THE OFFICE ADMINISTRATOR FOR FAITH BAPTIST CHURCH, PALM BAY.

THE ADDRESS OF THE CHURCH IS 341 EMERSON DRIVE NORTHWEST PALM BAY 32907.

THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION IS THE ORLOV ROAD 491 ORLOV ROAD.

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WE'VE RUN OUT OF ROOM IN THE IN THE CHURCH BUILDING.

A GOOD PROBLEM TO HAVE AND AND SO WE WANT TO USE THE HOUSE FOR AN OFFICE.

WE'VE GOT CURRENTLY FIVE PEOPLE WHO USE THE OFFICE AT VARIOUS TIMES.

MOST OF THE TIME THERE'S THREE PEOPLE IN IN THE OFFICE FULL TIME.

CURRENTLY. THE REASON WE ARE ASKING FOR THIS IS BECAUSE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION WITH THE CHURCH MADE SOME RENOVATIONS TO THE PROPERTY AND STARTED USING IT AS AN OFFICE WHEN THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION OF THE CHURCH CAME IN.

WE FOUND OUT VIA THE FIRE INSPECTOR THAT THAT THE ZONING WAS WRONG ON IT, AND AS SOON AS THAT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION, WE CAME TO THE CITY TO ASK FOR A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL TO USE IT.

IS THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ONE. HAVE YOU READ ALL THIS STUFF? CONDITIONS. AND YOU'RE OKAY WITH THOSE? YES, MA'AM. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO PARKING. PARKING WILL BE AT THE CHURCH.

WHICH PARKING IS AT THE CHURCH.

AND IN FACT, RIGHT ACROSS ORLOV ROAD IS A LOT OF PARKING.

I BELIEVE THERE'S PROBABLY 15 SPACES RIGHT IN FRONT OF OF THE HOUSE THAT WE'RE USING AS AS AN OFFICE.

ONE OTHER JUST ACROSS THE STREET, I SEE IN THE APPLICATION THAT YOU INTEND TO USE THIS ALSO BESIDES HIS OFFICE AS A CLASSES FOR YOUTH GROUP OR SOMETHING.

IT IS WE HAVE ANY LIMITATIONS THE NUMBER OF OF OF STUDENTS OR CHILDREN YOU'LL HAVE IN THERE.

THE LIMITATION, WE SAY, IS 25.

OUR GROUP IS NOT THAT BIG RIGHT NOW.

BUT BUT 25 KIDS.

THERE'LL BE NO PARKING IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE.

THE KIDS WOULD BE WALKING OVER FROM THE MAIN BUILDING WHERE THEIR PARENTS WOULD BE IN CLASSES.

IS ARE THERE ANY PEDESTRIAN WALKWAYS OR ANY OTHER TYPE OF SAFETY? YES, THERE THERE IS A WALKWAY FROM THE EDUCATION WING TO THE ROAD AT OR LOVE ROAD, AND THAT COMES DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE DRIVEWAY.

AND THEN THEY CAN WALK UP THE DRIVEWAY TO TO THE THE BUILDING OR HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU. JUST. JUST JUST ONE.

JUST TO KIND OF GET A BETTER IDEA.

SO THIS IS GOING TO BE SOMEWHAT REMINISCENT, YOU KNOW, HOW THE MODEL HOUSES THE MODEL THE MODEL HOMES ARE OVER ON ON ON EMERSON AND HOW THEY USE THAT AS THEIR OFFICE SPACE IS SOMEWHAT SIMILAR, I WOULD SAY.

SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WILL EVENTUALLY GO AWAY.

A LOT OF THOSE MODEL HOME OFFICES DO GO AWAY AS THE DEVELOPMENT IS SOLD, BUT WE DO INTEND TO USE IT AS AS OUR OFFICE.

SO ON A PERMANENT BASIS, CHURCH OWNS THE OWNS THE HOUSE? YES, SIR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? QUESTION FOR STAFF, PLEASE, DON.

THEY HAD MENTIONED 25 STUDENTS POSSIBLY.

IS THERE A FIRE HAZARD THERE? EVEN THAT MANY KIDS IN THE HOME? THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS WAS NOT EXPLICITLY LISTED IN TERMS OF WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR, FOR FIRE.

AND SO THAT HAS NOT BEEN ACTUALLY ANALYZED BY THE.

AND IS IT GOING TO BE I MEAN, IS IT PART OF THE CONDITIONS? OH. OKAY. FROM THE ORIGINAL.

THANK YOU. I JUST.

I JUST WANT TO LET THE BOARD KNOW, TOO.

IF YOU SO DESIRE, WE CAN MAKE IT A CONDITION OF THE APPROVAL THAT WE LIMITED TO 25 STUDENTS.

BUT WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTABLE TO YOU, MA'AM? YES, ABSOLUTELY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

AGAIN, ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? ANY LETTERS FROM NEIGHBORS? NO, WE DID NOT FOR THIS. WE DID HAVE WE ACTUALLY HAD ONE EMAIL AND I DID SUBMIT THAT.

AND THE EMAIL WAS ASKING ABOUT PARKING.

AND SHE ALSO ASKED ABOUT WOULD THERE BE ANY LARGE DELIVERIES, LARGE TRUCKS THAT WOULD COME IN.

WE ANSWERED BACK AND SAID, NO, IT WOULD BE AN OFFICE ONLY IF WE HAD DELIVERIES.

IT WOULD BE LIKE AN AMAZON FOR PAPER AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MA'AM.

OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS APPLICATION OR POST? HE'LL. GILBERT IN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST, SOMEWHAT ADDRESSED TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES OF PARKING.

AND I KNOW IT WAS SAID THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PARK ACROSS THE STREET.

I DON'T KNOW ANY OTHER OFFICE BUILDINGS IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY WHERE AN OFFICE BUILDING GETS TO PUT THEIR PARKING ACROSS THE STREET AND THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO GO TO THE US

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I'M JUST FINDING THERE'S SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT ASKEW WITH THAT THOUGHT PROCESS THAT THE UN, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S TEENAGERS THAT HAVE TO START CROSSING THE LINES OF TRAFFIC, I REALIZE IT IS A DEAD END ROAD AND THEY'RE CLOSE TO THE DEAD END, SO THERE SHOULD NOT BE A WHOLE LOT OF CROSS TRAFFIC.

BUT I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE OVERALL CONCEPT OF THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE AN OFFICE BUILDING AND THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO GO TO THE OFFICE HAVE TO PARK ACROSS THE STREET AND CROSS THE LINE OF TRAFFIC.

THAT'S THE FIRST QUESTION I WANT TO BRING UP AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE REALIZING WHERE THIS REQUEST IS GOING.

AND THEY HAVE BEEN DOING THAT FOR A WHILE.

AND I DON'T KNOW OF ANY ACCIDENTS, WHICH IS A GOOD THING.

IT'S JUST BUT NOW WE'RE AGREEING THAT THIS IS A GOOD PRACTICE TO HAVE SPLIT PLAN IN THE CITY.

ITEM NUMBER TWO, WILL THEY HAVE ANY OVERNIGHT RESIDENTS WITHIN THIS BUILDING BECAUSE IT WILL CONVERT IT FROM HOUSE TO OFFICE? WILL THERE EVER BE ANY OVERNIGHT RESIDENTS WITHIN THE BUILDING? THANK YOU. THANK YOU, BILL.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK? YOU KNOW, MA'AM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND TO TO MR. BARTON'S COMMENT? SO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PARKING ACROSS THE STREET WOULD CROSS THE ROAD.

I WILL TELL YOU THAT THAT ORLOV ROAD ENDS, IT'S A DEAD END.

IT DOESN'T GO THROUGH TO EMERSON.

WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY ISSUES WALKING BACK AND FORTH ACROSS THE ROAD.

AND ALSO THE THE PEOPLE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SOMEWHAT USES, THE THE CHURCH PARKING LOT IS INGRESS AND EGRESS OFF OF EMERSON, AND THAT'S FINE AND EVERYBODY'S VERY CAREFUL.

SO I DON'T SEE THAT AS A PROBLEM AT ALL.

AS FAR AS OVERNIGHTS.

NO, IT'S AN OFFICE ONLY.

OKAY. THANK YOU, MA'AM. OKAY.

OKAY, MA'AM.

YES, MA'AM. WE HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.

QUESTION. JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, BECAUSE WHEN I DO LOOK AT THE PICTURE, MY ASSUMPTION WAS, ALTHOUGH YOU WILL HAVE PARKING, THAT YOU WILL ACTUALLY UTILIZE THE PARK, THE DRIVEWAY AT THE HOUSE FOR THE OFFICE STAFF.

IS THAT NOT THE CASE? IT IS.

USUALLY WE HAVE THE TWO PASTORS, THE SENIOR PASTOR AND THE ASSOCIATE PASTOR PARK IN THE DRIVEWAY AND THEN THE REST OF US PARK ACROSS THE STREET.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, THANK YOU, MA'AM.

YES. ALL RIGHT. AT THIS POINT, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR A MOTION.

IF I GET A MOTION, PLEASE.

A MOTION TO APPROVE Q 17, 20, 22 SUBJECT TO THE COMMENTS FROM THE STAFF AND ALSO BE PUT IN THERE 25 LIMIT, 25 PERSON LIMIT FOR THE CLASSES.

WE HAVE A SECOND MOTION FROM DON, SECOND FROM RAINER.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR. SAY I ALL OPPOSED MOTION CARE.

OPPOSE, OPPOSE.

WE HAVE ONE OPPOSED.

THE MOTION CARRIES 5 TO 1.

AND I WANT TO SHOW YOU, BILL, THAT THIS IS NOT GOING TO BECOME STANDARD PRACTICE.

THIS IS STRICTLY A ONE TIME CONDITIONAL USE FOR THE CHURCH PROPERTY.

HEY. OUR NEXT CASE, PLEASE.

ALEX. GOOD EVENING.

THE NEXT CASE IS SEE YOU 18 2020.

IT'S THE BRISBANE COCAINE PIT FACE THREE.

SO IT'S A CONDITIONAL USE.

THE REQUEST IS TO EXPAND AN EXISTING BORROW PIT WAY ON THE SOUTH AREA OF OF THE CITY LIMITS.

AND SO THEY HAVE GONE THROUGH PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO.

THE THIRD REQUEST IS TO EXPAND IT FOR 137.78 ACRES.

THEY I'VE LISTED EVERYTHING IN THE STAFF REPORT AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE IF THERE IS ANY QUESTIONS FOR US.

IT'S THE BOARD. HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ALEX? NOW. THANK YOU, ALEX.

AT THIS TIME, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK THE APPLICANT TO PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM.

GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

FOR THE RECORD, ROB SCHWAB, I'M A LAND USE ATTORNEY OWNED BASED IN DOWNTOWN FORT PIERCE, RENAISSANCE FINANCIAL CENTER.

I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF REPRESENTING BABCOCK LLC, THE APPLICANT HERE.

EVER SINCE THERE ARE 2000 ACRE PARCEL WAS ANNEXED INTO THE CITY.

I THINK WE'RE ONE OF THE LARGEST LANDOWNERS IN THE CITY RIGHT NOW.

OUR MINING OPERATION IS A TEMPORARY OPERATION AWAITING RESIDENTIAL USE.

WE HAVE A SPECIAL LAND USE.

OBVIOUSLY, WE NEED TO GET THE UTILITIES AND THE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS DONE.

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WE HAVE BEEN TO THIS BOARD TWICE BEFORE INTO THE CITY COUNCIL.

WE'VE RECEIVED UNANIMOUS APPROVAL AT CITY COUNCIL TECHNICALLY.

AND THIS WILL BE OUR FINAL PHASE.

THIS WILL BE IT. WE ARE EXHAUSTING ALL OUR PRODUCT.

WITH THE BUILDING INDUSTRY GOING ON IN THE ROADWAYS, IT'S GOING TO BE PRETTY QUICK, A LOT QUICKER THAN WE THOUGHT.

SO TECHNICALLY, WE MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CODE, MEET OR EXCEED THE REQUIREMENTS.

STAFF HAS PROVIDED YOU WITH A VERY WELL DRAFTED ANALYSIS OF THE SITUATION OUT THERE.

ESSENTIALLY, WE'VE HAD OUR PUBLIC CITIZEN PARTICIPATION, MEANING WE HAVE NO REAL ADVERSE IMPACT ON ANY SURROUNDING PROPERTY.

NO ONE SHOWED FOR THE PARTICIPATION MEETING.

WE RECEIVED NO COMMENTS FROM ANYBODY.

IF THERE IS A QUESTION FROM THE PUBLIC OR THEY NEED ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, I RESERVE SOME TIME TO TO DISCUSS THAT.

MR. CHAIR. AND BOARD MEMBERS, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, AGAIN, WE ASK THAT THE BOARD APPROVE IT.

WE'VE HAD THE SAME CONDITIONS APPLY FOR STAFF, WHICH WE ACCEPT.

WE ACCEPT IT IN PHASE TWO AND PHASE ONE, AND IT'S STANDARD.

AND WE HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT STAFF WANTS ATTACHED TO THE CAP FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.

WE ASK THAT YOU APPROVE THIS AND FORWARD IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL WITH YOUR VOTE OF APPROVAL.

THANK YOU, MR. SCHWAB, AS THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I HAVE A QUESTION. SO THIS PIT, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, IS, IS IT JUST COQUINA ROCK THAT YOU'RE MINING OUT OF HERE? RIGHT. WE WE HAVE DIFFERENT PRODUCT.

THERE'S A COQUINA VEIN IN THE PROPERTY AND THERE'S A IT'S ALREADY EXTENDS TO THERE'S ANOTHER MINING ACTIVITY.

IT'S OWNED BY DIFFERENT OPERATOR TO THE NORTH OF US.

IT'S MINE, IT'S BEEN THERE.

BUT YES, WE'RE MINING COCAINE AND ROCK OUT OF THAT PARTICULAR BORROW PIT FIRST BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE VEIN IS.

WE HAVE TWO OTHER PITS GOING SOUTH, BOTH PHASES ONE AND PHASES TWO, AS WE CALL THEM.

AND THOSE ARE THOSE ARE OPERATIONAL, BUT THEY'RE USING DIFFERENT PRODUCT RIGHT NOW.

WE HAVE SAND, WE HAVE FILL, WE HAVE OTHER THINGS.

BUT WE'VE EXHAUSTED THE COQUINA ROCK ON THOSE TWO PHASES OR NEARLY EXHAUSTED IT.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE MOVING INTO PHASE THREE.

AND WHEN WE FIRST PROPOSED THIS PROJECT, THAT'S WHAT THE CITY WANTED US TO DO.

AND THE PLANNING STAFF AT THAT TIME, WE'VE BEEN OUT THERE THREE YEARS DOING THE SAME THING.

WE'VE HAD NO COMPLAINTS FROM ANYBODY.

WE'VE BEEN IN TOTAL COMPLIANCE WITH ALL THE EXISTING RULES OF THE CITY, AS WELL AS SAINT JOHN'S AND ANY OTHER GOVERNMENTAL AGENCY THAT IMPOSES REGULATIONS ON THAT.

BUT YES, IT'S COKE AND A ROCK ON THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? EXCUSE ME JUST BRIEFLY AND I KNOW THAT YOU'RE A FEW PHASES IN, BUT JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THE OVERARCHING THEME OF THE PROJECT IS WHEN ALL THE MATERIAL IS EXERTED TO USE YOUR WORDS, ALL THE COCAINE IS GONE AND YOU GUYS ARE DONE.

YOU'RE GOING TO THEN SMOOTH IT OVER AND DEVELOP IT AS RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS, THINGS OF THE SORT.

SO IT'S KIND OF A MASTER PLAN, SO TO SPEAK, RIGHT? THE LAST PHASE OF THE FIRST PHASE, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY.

EXACTLY. THIS IS THE THIS IS THE ROAD FRONTAGE ON BABCOCK.

AND IT'S THE ONLY AREA OF THE PROPERTY THAT WE HAVE ANY REAL ROCK OR COCAINE OR ROCK THAT'S VERY SELDOM FOUND ON PROPERTIES.

WE'RE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE THAT ON OUR PROPERTY.

BUT YES, THE THE PITS ARE BEING DESIGNED THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE LAKES FOR THE FUTURE RESIDENTIAL PRODUCT THAT'S GOING THERE.

WE HAVE APPROVAL FOR OUR 2000 ACRES TO DO ONE AND A HALF UNITS AND AN ACRE.

WE HAVE, I THINK, 3000 UNITS APPROVED UNDER OUR FUTURE LAND USE.

WE HAVE OUR OWN SPECIAL LAND USE, ACTUALLY FUTURE LAND USE CALLED CALUMET FARMS. IT'S IN YOUR CODE. AND ESSENTIALLY THAT'S WHAT THE ULTIMATE PROJECT'S GOING TO BE.

AGAIN, THIS IS SIMPLY A TEMPORARY USE AND BUT FOR SURE, WE'RE PLANNING ON PUTTING THE PRODUCT THAT'S APPROVED BY THE FUTURE LAND USE UP THERE AROUND THE AREA OF THE LEGS.

YOUR CURIOSITY, IF I MAY, SIR.

HOW MANY YEARS AWAY DO YOU THINK WE ARE BEFORE THAT? IS A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD JUST TIME FRAME.

WHY? WELL, FIVE. IS IT TEN? IS IT DECADES? WELL, I MEAN, I'VE BEEN DOING LAND USE FOR 40 YEARS, AND I REPRESENT CLIENTS IN SEVEN COUNTIES AND.

IT'S VERY HARD TO PREDICT, BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE UTILITIES.

WE NEED TO GET THE UTILITIES DOWN THERE.

WE'VE MET WITH THE UTILITY DIRECTOR JUST RECENTLY AND WE MET WITH THE UTILITY DIRECTOR TO KIND OF DETERMINE WHAT WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THAT.

OF COURSE, BABCOCK IS SCHEDULED TO GO FOUR LANES AND WE'VE GOT THE NEW INTERCHANGE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO WE'RE HOPING IT'S SOONER THAN THEN, THEN LATER.

BUT THE THE WATER AND WASTEWATER SERVICES ARE CRITICAL TO ANY DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PROPERTY.

SO AS SOON AS WE CAN GET THAT DOWN THERE AND WE'VE GOT I THINK WE'VE GOT THE DEMAND ALREADY HAPPENING IN PALM BAY, WE INTEND TO TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT DEVELOPMENT PROJECT. THANK YOU FOR THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, SIR.

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SO THANK YOU, SIR. AND THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, AND ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU, MR. SCHWAB. THANK YOU.

ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE APPLICATION WILL.

BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST.

I'M NEITHER FOR NOR AGAINST IN THIS, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO REALLY AFFECT ME THAT MUCH.

BUT I WANT TO FIND OUT FOR SURE IF THEY IN PHASE THREE, IF THEY WERE GOING TO BE DOING BLASTING OR WAS IT GOING TO REMAIN AS THE BREAK AND WHOLE PROCESS FOR THE VOLCANO? AND THE SECOND ONE WAS THE LAND SALE TO THEIR WEST EXCUSE ME, WHERE THE SOLAR FIELD, IF THIS IS GOING TO HAVE ANY IMPACT ON THE NEW SOLAR FIELD POTENTIAL COMING IN.

THAT BEING SAID, THEY'VE BEEN DOING A GREAT JOB DOWNTOWN OR WITHOUT THEIR PRODUCT, WE WOULDN'T HAVE ROADS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

BILL, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK? A. THE BLASTING IS OUT OF THE PICTURE THAT'S RESTRICTED UNDER THE CONDITIONS, AND WE DON'T DO BLASTING.

NUMBER TWO, YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT THE I'M SORRY.

YOUR SECOND POINT WAS SOLAR FAILS.

WE WORKED WITH FP AND EL TO PROVIDE THEM EASEMENTS ACROSS OUR PROPERTY.

IMMEDIATELY WEST OF OUR WESTERN BOUNDARY.

IS THE NEW SOLAR FIELD ALREADY BUILT? THEY HAVE NO PROBLEMS. THEY BOUGHT THAT FULLY, KNOWING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA.

SO ESSENTIALLY AND WE'VE WORKED WITH THEM AGAIN TO GET THEIR 100 FOOT RIGHT AWAY THROUGH THERE, NO CONDEMNATION WAS NECESSARY AND WE WORKED TO GET THAT PROJECT DONE. THANK YOU, MR. SCHWAB. THERE ARE NO OTHER COMMENTS AT THIS TIME.

I'LL CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR A MOTION.

MOTION FOR APPROVAL.

QUESTION FROM ROBERT. WE HAVE A SECOND.

CAN FROM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

ALL IN FAVOR, SAY I.

I ALL OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

MR. CHAIR, JUST BRIEFLY, CAN YOU SLOW DOWN THE VOTING PROCESS? I, I NEED TO BE ABLE TO SAY MY VOTE, AND HERE EVERYONE ELSE IS, TOO.

AND IN THE LAST ONE, WE HAD AN OPPOSITION VOTE THAT ALMOST GOT MISSED.

SO IT WOULDN'T GET MISSED.

YOU BROUGHT IT UP, BUT. OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR.

ALL RIGHT. OUR NEXT CASE, PLEASE.

ALL RIGHT. OUR NEXT CASE IS FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN 20 TO 2022.

IT'S LOCATED SOUTH AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF KOGAN DRIVE SOUTHEAST AND OSMOSIS DRIVE SOUTHEAST.

THE SIZE IS APPROXIMATELY 21 ACRES.

AND THE CURRENT FEATURE LAND USE IS MEDIUM RESIDENTIAL, MEDIUM MULTIFAMILY, SORRY, RESIDENTIAL WITH A ZONING DISTRICT OF PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT.

THE REQUEST IS FOR THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT UNIT PLAN APPROVAL OF 123 UNITS FOR A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION KNOWN AS BAYSIDE LANDING PAD.

IT IS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AS APPROVAL FROM STAFF SUBJECT TO STAFF'S COMMENTS CONTAINED IN THE REPORT.

STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE REPORT AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT.

IS THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, MR. HENDERSON.

WELL, THE APPLICANT.

REPRESENTATIVE, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM.

GOOD EVENING, DAVID BASHFORD.

1250 WEST OF GALLEY.

NO FORMAL PRESENTATION ON THIS.

THIS IS THE SECOND TIME THROUGH WE WERE HERE IN NOVEMBER.

DECEMBER. I WANT TO THANK STEPH FOR THE REPORT.

OUTSIDE OF THAT, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTION FOR MR. PRESIDENT? AND SIR.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS OF THESE 123 UNITS.

WHAT'S THE MAKEUP OF THEM? WHAT TYPE OF UNITS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE? THERE ARE DUPLEXES AND THEN ARE SORRY TOWNHOMES AND SINGLE FAMILY LIVES.

GOT YOU. SO YOU HAVE A MIX OF TOWNHOMES AND SINGLE FAMILY LOTS AND SAY A SAY A TOWNHOME BUILDING IS ONE BUILDING AND IT'S A DUAL.

YOU SAID DUPLEX. SO IT'S TWO THAT COUNTS IS TWO UNITS, NO DUPLEXES.

I MISSPOKE MOMENTARILY.

THEY'RE ALL TOWNHOMES. SO IT'S A ONE BUILDING.

IT HAS EIGHT. THAT'S EIGHT OF 123 WILL BE FOUR AND SIX UNIT BUILDINGS.

GOTCHA. AND IN THAT INSTANCE, THAT WOULD ADD UP TO TEN ONE ONE FOR BUILDING ONE SIX BUILDING.

THAT'S TEN OF YOUR 123 UNITS.

CORRECT. SEEKING THAT CLARIFICATION, BEING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE ON COGEN AND OSMOSIS, IS THERE ANY CONVERSATION IN YOUR PLANNING OR WITH STAFF PERHAPS OR ANYTHING, ANY RELATION TO EXTENSION OF OSMOSIS, CHANGE OF OSMOSIS WHERE DEAD ENDS AT THE CITY'S PROPERTY? JUST WANT TO KNOW WHERE GEARHEADS AT.

I'LL LET THE STAFF ANSWER, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT OSMOSIS IS IN THE PROCESS OF BEING EXTENDED ALREADY.

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HEY, LAST TIME I BELIEVE YOU WERE HERE, WE HAD SOME CONCERN WITH SOME OF THE RESIDENTS.

YES, MA'AM. CAN YOU ELABORATE ON ANY ANY DEVELOPMENT WITH THAT? WE'VE TRIED AS HARD AS POSSIBLE TO ADDRESS ALL OF THOSE.

THE LARGEST ONE THAT I REMEMBER WAS THERE'S A I'M GOING TO CALL IT A HALF ACRE.

IT'S GIVE OR TAKE A LITTLE BIT AT THE OR SORRY EAST END OF THE PROPERTY WHERE THE LIFT EXISTING LIFT STATION IS.

THERE WAS A STORM INLET THAT WAS PUT BACK THERE.

AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS LEAVE THAT AS NATURAL AS POSSIBLE.

OBVIOUSLY, WE NEED TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF GRADING WITHIN THAT AREA, BUT THAT WAY IT PRESERVES ALL OF THE TREES.

AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO DEED IT OVER TO AMBER WOOD.

BECAUSE THAT STORM INLET IS ACTUALLY PART OF THEIR SYSTEM.

WE DON'T KNOW WHY.

DURING FINAL PLAT IT CHANGED FROM THE ENGINEERING CONSTRUCTION PLANS, BUT ON THE ENGINEERING CONSTRUCTION PLANS THAT WAS ACTUALLY A PART OF THEIR SYSTEM.

AND THEN AT FINAL PLAT OR SOME REASON IT WOUND UP BEING EXCLUDED AND THEN BECAME PART OF OUR PROPERTY.

AND REMIND ME IF I'M WRONG.

WAS THERE SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT NOT HAVING TWO STOREY BUILDINGS RIGHT NEXT TO I GUESS BACKS UP TO SOMEBODY'S LOT OR TOWARDS THE BACK? I'LL BE HONEST, I DON'T REMEMBER IF IT'S A PART OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OR COMMENTS, THEN WE'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT.

I GUESS IF ANY OF THE RESIDENTS HERE WHO ACTUALLY HAD THE ISSUE THERE.

BUT I JUST REMEMBER NOT BEING A BIG ISSUE WHEN YOU WERE HERE.

PEOPLE WERE JUST REALLY CONCERNED.

AND I GUESS THE FENCING I KNOW YOU WERE GOING TO ADD TO THE FENCING AND STUFF LIKE WE ARE GOING TO PUT FENCING ALONG THE BORDER, BUT THAT HASN'T BEEN FORMALLY WORKED OUT BECAUSE THAT HAS TO GO WITH EVERY SINGLE, EITHER THE HIGHWAY OR EVERY SINGLE LANDOWNER THAT IT ABUTS.

BUT THAT'S IN PROCESS.

THE OTHER ONE. AND I JUST REMEMBERED IT WAS RELOCATION OF THE AMENITY.

SO THE CLUBHOUSE, NOT CLUBHOUSE, THE POOL AND PAVILION AND THAT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN LOCATED OR RELOCATED TO THE INTERIOR OF THE PROJECT.

THE OTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS APPLICATION? IN FAVOR? SIR.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ALAN GERSON AND WE LIVE AT 536 DILLA DRIVE OUR.

BACKYARD WOOL. BUT THE.

THE NORTHERN END OF OUR BACKYARD ABUTS PART OF THE NEW DEVELOPMENT.

SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

AND YOU MIGHT RECALL BACK IN NOVEMBER, WE HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THE GREEN SPACE AREA.

I BROUGHT UP THE THING THAT MR. BASFORD JUST MENTIONED ABOUT THE.

STORM WATER SEWER THAT APPARENTLY, I GUESS THE AMBER WOULD DEVELOPMENT HAD PUT IN ON THEIR PROPERTY THAT NOBODY REALLY KNEW IT WAS THERE AND.

AND WE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE GREEN SPACE AND SOME OF THE LARGER LOTS, I GUESS, ON THE ORIGINAL PLANS, YOU KNOW.

WELL, THE FIRST GO ROUND YOU HAD THE PLAYGROUND AND SWIMMING POOL AREA RIGHT UP IN OUR BACKYARD AND WE DIDN'T REALLY WANT THAT.

AND THEY'VE BEEN VERY, VERY GRACIOUS AND WORKED WITH US.

AND WE WE'VE REVIEWED THE NEW PLANS AND WE'RE VERY HAPPY WITH THEM.

BOTH MR. BASFORD AND THE CON DEV, THE DEVELOPER, HAVE BEEN VERY RECEPTIVE TO OUR COMMENTS IN THAT STUFF AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE THEIR EFFORT IN ADDRESSING OUR COMMENTS.

THANK YOU, SIR. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHED TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS APPLICATION? ANYONE WHO WISHED TO SPEAK OPPOSED TO THIS APPLICATION.

NONE. AT THIS POINT, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR A MOTION.

MOTION TO APPROVE FDA 20 2022.

I CAN OCEAN FROM DAWN SECOND FROM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

SURE. MAY I HAVE CLARIFICATION FROM STAFF ON OSMOSIS AND WHAT PLANS ARE EXISTENT AND NOT WHAT HAVE YOU? I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE SOME PLANS.

I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHERE THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS.

I COULD GET WITH FRANK AND A PUBLIC WORKS OR OUR CITY ENGINEER AND GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT.

IT'S JUST SAFE TO SAY THAT THERE'S CONVERSATIONS TO CONNECT OSMOSIS THROUGH TO MADAM.

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OK, THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT.

ACTUALLY, IT'S NOT JUST CONVERSATIONS.

IT'S ALREADY PLANNED.

RIGHT. AND THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THAT, MR. CHAIR, BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY PLANNED, IF NOT ALREADY UNDERWAY TO REPAVE MADNESS.

IS THAT DONE? MADDEN IS IN THE PHASE.

IT'S THE PHASE THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY IN.

MADDEN IS FINISHED. I BELIEVE MADDEN EITHER FINISHED OR ABOUT TO BE FINISHED IF MS..

MIRAGE IS CORRECT. SO THEN AN OVERALL OSMOSIS CONNECTING, I'M JUST KIND OF PAINTING THE PICTURE IN MY HEAD, BUT ALSO OUT LOUD FOR THE SAKE OF US.

AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS THAT IT SEEMS AS THOUGH MADDEN IS GOING TO BECOME A ROAD THAT MAY NEED TO BE RELIED ON TO HANDLE THIS TRAFFIC.

I CAN'T BELIEVE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DENSITY ON COKE.

AND FINALLY, IT'S FANTASTIC TO TALK ABOUT IT ACTUALLY GETTING BUILT OUT.

BUT JUST WANT TO AS WE TALK ABOUT PROJECTS WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED, THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE IMPLICATIONS OF THINGS THAT ARE ALSO GOING TO HAPPEN TO CREATE THE WHOLE PICTURE.

SO THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME BRING ATTENTION TO THAT, MR. CHAIR. OKAY. THANK YOU, WENDELL.

WE HAVE A MOTION FROM DON SECOND FROM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

ALL IN FAVOR. SAY I MOTION CARES UNANIMOUSLY.

OUR NEXT CASE, PLEASE, MR. ANDERSON. OUR NEXT CASE BEFORE YOU IS CP 18 2022. IT IS LOCATED EAST OF AN ADJACENT TO KRASSNER DRIVE NORTHWEST AND IN THE VICINITY NORTH OF HAYWORTH CIRCLE NORTHWEST.

IT'S APPROXIMATELY 6.5 ACRES IN SIZE.

THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE IS COMMERCIAL, WITH A ZONING DISTRICT OF NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE FROM COMMERCIAL USE TO MULTIPLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USE.

THE CASE 1820, 22 IS NOT RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE CORRECTING FROM THE STAFF REPORT THAT ACCIDENTALLY DID SAY APPROVAL.

THIS IS MORE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE FOLLOWING CASES RECOMMENDATION AS WELL TO STAY IN CONCERT WITH EACH OTHER.

SO I DID WANT TO MAKE THE BOARD AWARE OF THAT.

AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM AND STAFF IS AVAILABLE AS WELL.

SOME OF THE RATIONALE FOR WHY THERE IS A DENIAL HERE IS BECAUSE IT IS A MULTI FAMILY REQUEST INSIDE OF A SINGLE FAMILY AREA.

FOR THE MOST PART, THERE IS NO MULTI FAMILY IN THE SURROUNDING VICINITY.

THE ONLY PARCELS THAT ARE NON SINGLE FAMILY IN NATURE FOR THEIR FUTURE LAND USE IS THIS ONE AND THE ONE ADJACENT TO IT, WHICH IS FOR PUBLIC SEMIPUBLIC.

HOWEVER, THAT ONE DOES HAVE A ZONING DISTRICT OF RS TWO WHICH IS CONSISTENT AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING DISTRICT, WHEREAS OUR M TEN IS NOT VIEWED AS SO FROM STAFF. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. ANDERSON? ONE.

THIS CASE IS SUSPICIOUSLY FAMILIAR AND CAME TO US, SO IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, I'LL LET THE APPLICANT EXPLORE THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE JUST BECAUSE I WAS NOT HERE AT THAT TIME PERIOD.

SO I HAD ALLOWED THEM THE OPPORTUNITY.

I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WEREN'T HERE EITHER, I BELIEVE.

ALEX. YEAH, THIS CASE CAME BEFORE US NOT THAT LONG AGO.

A FEW MONTHS AGO, WHEN WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION.

NOW, ACCORDING TO ACCORDING TO ORDINANCE, THIS CASE CANNOT BE BROUGHT BACK BEFORE US UNLESS THERE IS A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE IN THE APPLICATION.

SO IF I WERE TO UNDERSTAND THE BACKGROUND CORRECTLY, ORIGINALLY IT WAS AN AR 15 ZONING DISTRICT REQUEST IS NOW CHANGED TO AR TEN, WHICH IS SOMEWHAT RELATED TO CONVERSATIONS THAT WERE HAD DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS.

THAT WAS CONSIDERED A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE.

APPARENTLY IT WAS.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTION FOR MR. ANDERSON? YES.

JUST BRIEFLY, SIR. JUST FOR A REMINDER, THE ADJACENT, YOU SAY IS RS TO REMIND ME AND EVERYONE ELSE RS TO ABSOLUTELY.

THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARITY.

RS TWO IS FOR RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY USE.

IT IS FOR A SPECIFIC LOT SIZE IN THE RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY FUTURE LAND USE AREAS.

SO FOR THIS CONTEXT IS ONE OF THE SMALLER LOTS THAT WE LOOK AT IN TERMS OF SINGLE FAMILY USE, BUT IT IS NOT A MULTI FAMILY USE IN NATURE.

THANK YOU, SIR. WELL, THE QUESTION NO, I'M JUST CURIOUS TO HEAR WHAT THE THE ACTUALLY OWNER IS TRYING TO TELL OUR LISTENERS A CHANGE IN DENSITY FROM THE LAST TIME WE HEARD THIS.

ALL RIGHT. WILL THE APPLICANT PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM? BIG. THANK YOU.

JAKE WHITE, CIVIL ENGINEER FOR THE PROJECT.

BUSINESS ADDRESS IS 2651 WEST VALLEY BOULEVARD.

SO PREVIOUSLY THIS DID COME BEFORE THE BOARD AND IT WAS FOR A HIGHER DENSITY, DIFFERENT STAFF.

AT THE TIME THAT STAFF ACTUALLY SUPPORTED THE APPLICATION, THE OWNER WAS THE ONE THAT BROUGHT IT THROUGH.

WE WERE NOT INVOLVED WITH THAT APPLICATION AT ALL.

IT WAS REQUESTED ULTIMATELY FOR COUNCIL TO BE TABLED BECAUSE THEY HAD ASKED US TO GET INVOLVED.

COUNCIL DECIDED THAT THEY WEREN'T OKAY WITH TABLING IT.

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SO WE DID CHECK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND THEY AGREED THAT THIS REQUEST WITH THE LOWER DENSITY WOULD BE REVIEWED AS A NEW REQUEST.

SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE BEFORE YOU TODAY.

SO IT IS A LITTLE UNIQUE.

AND EVEN MORE UNIQUE IN MY EXPERIENCE IS I'VE BEEN COMING BEFORE THIS BOARD FOR TWO DECADES PLUS, AND IT'S THE FIRST TIME I CAN REMEMBER WE WEREN'T WE HAD A RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL FROM STAFF.

SO I'LL DIG A LITTLE DEEPER THAN I NORMALLY DO.

I'M SURE THERE'S SOME RESIDENTS HERE THAT ARE PROBABLY NOT SUPER EXCITED ABOUT HAVING TO COME BACK TO THIS PROCESS AGAIN.

TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT.

WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY AND ALL QUESTIONS THEY HAVE.

THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, UNFORTUNATELY, IS NOT FEELING WELL AT ALL.

SHE HAS BEEN COMING TO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS BUT COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT.

BUT SHE'S AUTHORIZED US TO REPRESENT HER FOR THIS.

SO WE DO HAVE TWO AGENDA ITEMS THAT ARE OBVIOUSLY RELATED WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AMENDMENT MINOR ONE PLUS A REZONING.

SO IF IT'S OKAY, I'LL JUST ADDRESS BOTH ONCE AND WE WON'T GO THROUGH THIS TWICE, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH THE BOARD.

I APPRECIATE THAT AS WELL.

I'M SURE THE NEIGHBORS WILL, TOO.

SO QUICKLY, THE TWO REQUESTS ARE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT REQUESTING THE CURRENT COMMERCIAL ZONE LAND USE TO A MULTIFAMILY.

WE HAVE INTENTIONALLY CAPPED OURSELVES AT TEN UNITS AN ACRE.

PREVIOUSLY WAS AT 15 UNITS AN ACRE, BUT WE'VE EVEN REDUCED IT EVEN MORE.

AND THEN A REZONING TO ALLOW FOR THE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT.

SO BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, OUR EIGHT CRITERIA THAT ARE RELATED TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.

THE FIRST ONE IS A FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT.

AND IF YOU GO TO THE STAFF REPORT, THE FIRST TWO ITEMS IS FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT GOAL NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO. WE ARE IN STAFF AGREES COMPATIBLE WITH BOTH OF THOSE THAT'S ENSURE A HIGH QUALITY DIVERSIFIED LIVING ENVIRONMENT THROUGH THE EFFICIENT DISTRIBUTION OF COMPATIBLE LAND USES.

AND THE SECOND ONE IS TO PROVIDE AND MAINTAIN A VIABLE NEIGHBORHOODS IN RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TO MEET THE FUTURE NEEDS THE RESIDENTS OF PALM BAY.

AS I'M SURE THIS BOARD IS AWARE, WE HAVE A HOUSING SHORTAGE AND WE CAN'T BUILD THEM FAST ENOUGH WITH THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING HERE.

AND SO IT IS DEFINITELY SHOWING US A NEED.

THE THIRD ITEM, FUTURE LAND USE NUMBER THREE IS TO PROVIDE FOR ECONOMICALLY VIABLE COMMERCIAL AREAS.

SO THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE HAVE A DISAGREEMENT WITH STAFF AND THAT IS, I BELIEVE, ALSO A DIRECTION FROM CITY COUNCIL. CITY COUNCIL WE'VE HEARD OVER AND OVER AGAIN IS NOT TYPICALLY IN FAVOR OF REZONING COMMERCIAL TO OTHER TYPES OF LAND USES. THEY'RE TRYING TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND AS A WHOLE CITYWIDE.

AND YOU GUYS KNOW I DO A LOT OF PROJECTS IN PALM BAY WOULD WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE WITH THAT.

THIS CASE IS VERY UNIQUE.

SO GOING BACK IN HISTORY, THE JDC DEVELOPMENT, THEY HAD SPOT LOTS ALL AROUND THE CITY.

THEY DIDN'T CONTROL THE MAJOR COMMERCIAL AREAS WHERE YOU WOULD TYPICALLY HAVE A HOME DEPOT OR A PUBLIX OR A WAL-MART.

SO IN THEIR MARKETING OF SELLING THEIR LOTS AND THEY DID THAT INTERNATIONALLY, A LOT OF LOTS WERE SOLD ACROSS THE US, CHINA, OTHER PLACES.

THEY WERE TRYING TO MARKET SMALL COMMERCIAL AREAS.

SO THIS ONE HAPPENS TO BE SIX AND ONE HALF ACRES, WHICH IS NOT SMALL TYPICALLY FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL AREA.

SO THAT WAS PART OF THE GDC MARKETING PLAN.

THIS PARCEL HAS SAT HERE FOR DECADES, DECADES WITH ZERO INTEREST IN DEVELOPMENT COMMERCIALLY.

IT'S A DEAD END ROAD.

YOU MIND PULLING UP MY ONE SLIDE, PLEASE? THANK YOU. HAVE A JUMP DRIVE IF YOU NEED IT.

SO THIS IS ON KRASNER DRIVE.

KRASNER DRIVE STARTS AT MALABAR ROAD.

IT SHARES AN INTERSECTION WITH A SUBDIVISION CALLED BRENTWOOD LAKES, WHICH HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

WE ACTUALLY DESIGNED THAT ONE BACK IN 2000, FOUR AND FIVE.

IT'S GOT A TRAFFIC SIGNAL.

IT GOES DUE NORTH.

IT HANGS A 90 DEGREE CURVE.

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THERE WE GO. AND THEN IT DEAD ENDS TO THE WEST.

IF A POINTER BY. SO AS I MENTIONED TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN IS A TRAFFIC SIGNAL. YOU SEE KRASNER DRIVE LABELED, IT GOES DOWN NORTH, TAKES A 90 DEGREE BEND.

OUR SITE IS IN YELLOW RIGHT ON THE 90 DEGREE BEND, AND THEN IT GOES DUE WEST AND TERMINATES A DEAD ENDS AT A MELBOURNE WATER DISTRICT CANAL.

SO THE ONLY DEVELOPMENT IN THIS WHOLE AREA AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS SLIDE TO SHOW THAT IT'S ALL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES EXCEPT FOR AT THE VERY END OF KRASSNER, IS ABOUT A 24 ACRE UNDEVELOPED PARCEL THAT THE SCHOOL BOARD OWNS AND LIKELY WOULD NOT BE DEVELOPED FOR A SCHOOL ANY TIME.

SO THE LAST TRIP COUNTS THAT WERE DONE BY THE CITY ON KRASNER DRIVE WAS DONE IN 2018, RIGHT BEFORE THE PANDEMIC HIT, WHICH ARE LEGITIMATE TRIP NUMBERS VERSUS POST PANDEMIC OR DURING THE PANDEMIC.

AND THE TRIP COUNTS SOUTH OF OUR SITE WAS 165 AVERAGE DAILY TRIPS 1165.

A TYPICAL VIABLE COMMERCIAL PROJECT WOULD NEED ABOUT 20,000 TRIPS, AND THEN MANY OTHER COMMERCIAL USERS NEED A LOT MORE THAN 20,000 TRIPS.

THE 1165 WASN'T EVEN AT THE SITE.

SO THAT NUMBER IS EVEN PRETTY IS PRETTY LESS THAN THAT GOING BY THIS SITE.

SO BASED ON TRIP COUNTS ALONE, IT'S REALLY NOT A VIABLE COMMERCIAL SITE.

GOING BACK TO THE EIGHT CRITERIA THAT WE MENTIONED, THE LAST ONE, THE NUMBER ONE FEATURE LAND USE IN THE STAFF REPORT IS THE PROPOSED LAND USE AMENDMENT WOULD BE CONSIDERED COMPATIBLE. THE CHANGE WOULD ALLOW FOR A HIGH QUALITY, DIVERSIFIED LIVING ENVIRONMENT.

THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD FURTHER THESE GOALS BY PROVIDING MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS ON A PROPERTY THAT HAS BEEN UNDERDEVELOPED FOR YEARS.

AS FAR AS THE CONSERVATION ELEMENT GOES, THERE'S NO ISSUES THERE.

NUMBER THREE WOULD BE THE HOUSING ELEMENT.

THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT DOES NOT ADVERSELY IMPACT THE SUPPLY AND VARIETY OF SAFE, DECENT, ATTRACTIVE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND SAID IT WILL SERVE TO CREATE ADDITIONAL FAMILY HOUSING NEEDS IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

NUMBER FOUR CRITERIA IS INFRASTRUCTURE ELEMENTS.

THIS ONE IS A BIG ONE.

NOW, FIRST, DRAINAGE.

WE HAVE TO MEET DRAINAGE REQUIREMENTS.

NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, ANY DEVELOPMENT DOES.

THE SPORT IS WELL AWARE OF THAT.

BUT AS FAR AS PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER FACILITIES, THE STAFF REPORT ACTUALLY SAYS IT'S AVAILABLE AT THE SITE.

IT'S NOT CURRENTLY THE CLOSEST WATER AND SEWER IS AT MALABAR ROAD.

SO IT HAS TO BE EXTENDED ALL THE WAY FROM MALABAR ROAD UP TO THE SITE.

WE DID SOME ROUGH ESTIMATES TO DO A LIFT STATION, A FORCE MAIN AND A WATER MAIN EXTENSION.

AND WHETHER THAT'S FOR A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT OR FOR WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, IT'S SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 500,000 AND 750,000 TO EXTEND UTILITIES.

SO THAT ALONE WOULD PROBABLY PREVENT THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, NOT EVEN CONSIDERING THE OTHER FACTORS THAT WE MENTIONED.

NUMBER FIVE CRITERIA.

THE EIGHT IS THE INTER-GOVERNMENT COORDINATION ELEMENT.

PUBLIC SCHOOLS STAFF REPORT IDENTIFIES THERE'S SUFFICIENT CAPACITY.

NUMBER SIX IS RECREATION AND OPEN SPACE ELEMENT.

STAFF REPORT IDENTIFIES THAT THE REQUESTED USE WOULD NOT EXCEED EXISTING PARKLAND OR RECREATION LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARDS.

AND OF COURSE, IF THE PROJECT MOVED FORWARD, IT WOULD HAVE SOME KIND OF AN INTERNAL RECREATION ELEMENT AS WELL.

NUMBER SEVEN IS THE TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT.

SO RIGHT NOW, WITH THE CURRENT ZONING AND LAND USE, IT'S NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL AND I'LL RUN THROUGH THE ALLOWABLE USES HERE IN A COUPLE OF MINUTES.

BUT YOUR TYPICAL SIX AND ONE HALF ACRE SITE, CONSIDERING ONLY A RETAIL USE, NOT RESTAURANT, NOT MEDICAL, NOT TWO STOREY, WHICH ALL WOULD INCREASE THE NUMBERS.

WE COULD HAVE ABOUT 85,000 SQUARE FEET OF SINGLE FAMILY OR EXCUSE ME, A SINGLE STOREY COMMERCIAL USE ON A SIX AND A HALF ACRE SITE.

IF THAT WAS THE CASE, IT WOULD GENERATE 3600 PLUS TRIPS PER DAY.

WE'RE PROPOSING WITH A CAP AT TEN UNITS PER ACRE, WOULD BE A MAXIMUM OF 65 FEE SIMPLE TOWNHOME UNITS, WHICH WOULD GENERATE 378 TRIPS.

THAT'S 3600 PLUS VERSUS 378 TRIPS.

SO OBVIOUSLY WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS TEN TIMES ALMOST LESS INTENSE FOR TRAFFIC, WHICH WOULD BE A BENEFIT TO THE SURROUNDING AREAS AND OUR EXPERIENCE.

ALSO, NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL LIMITS, THE SIZE OF THE SPECIFIC COMMERCIAL USES TO 5000 SQUARE FEET.

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AGAIN. THIS WAS CREATED FOR MARKETING PURPOSES FOR GDC ON A DEAD END ROAD WITH LOW TRIP COUNTS.

IT'S JUST NOT A VIABLE COMMERCIAL USE IN OUR EXPERIENCE.

THE LAST ELEMENT IS THE PROPERTY RACE ELEMENT NUMBER EIGHT.

AND SO THERE'S NO ITEMS. THEY'RE JUMPING INTO THE ZONING QUICKLY.

THERE IS FOUR CRITERIA.

AND THE FIRST ITEM IS WHERE WE PROBABLY HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A DISAGREEMENT WITH STAFF.

IT JUST SAYS THE PROXIMITY OF EACH DEVELOPMENT TO THE OTHER DOES NOT ENABLE A MORE WALKABLE ENVIRONMENT WITH HIGHER POTENTIAL FOR PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY.

THE CHANGE IN ZONING WILL NOT ALLOW FOR MORE DEFINITIVE TRANSITIONS BETWEEN ZONING DISTRICTS AND WILL FURTHER LINE AND MIX APPROPRIATE LEVELS OF DENSITY AND INTENSITIES WITHIN A GIVEN AREA.

SO WE FEEL LIKE WE ARE PROPOSING SOMETHING THAT IS MUCH, MUCH, MUCH LESS INTENSE.

I MENTIONED THE TRAFFIC, IF YOU LOOK AT THE STORMWATER, FOR EXAMPLE.

TYPICALLY A COMMERCIAL SITE IS 75 TO 80% IMPERVIOUS.

THERE'S NO WETLANDS OR ANY OTHER TYPES OF USES ON THE SITE THAT WOULD BE PRESERVED.

TYPICALLY A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OF 4040 5% IMPERVIOUS.

SO AGAIN, MUCH LESS INTENSE.

ON EVERY FRONT THERE.

ITEM NUMBER TWO IS OF THE FOUR CRITERIA FOR THE REZONING PERTAINING TO THE REZONING THE LAND, THE EFFECT OF THE CHANGE, IF ANY, ON THE PARTICULAR PROPERTY AND ON SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. AGAIN, IT REDUCES THE INTENSITY, THE TRIPS, THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, EVERYTHING ELSE.

ITEM NUMBER THREE, WHEN PERTAINING TO REZONING THE LAND, THE AMOUNT OF UNDEVELOPED LAND IN THE GENERAL AREA AND THE CITY HAVING THE SAME CLASSIFICATION AS TO THAT REQUESTED AS STAFF IDENTIFIED.

WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING IS NOT IN THIS AREA, SO REQUESTING SOMETHING THAT WE BELIEVE WOULD BE A MUCH BETTER USE, IT WOULD BE A VIABLE USE VERSUS THE COMMERCIAL THAT'S VACANT FOR THE DECADES.

AND THEN LAST, BUT AT LEAST FOR AS FAR AS THE FOUR CRITERIA FOR THE REZONING RELATIONSHIP, THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE PURPOSE OF THE CITY PLAN FOR DEVELOPMENT WITH APPROPRIATE CONSIDERATION IS WHETHER THE PROPOSED CHANGE WILL FURTHER THE PURPOSES OF THIS CHAPTER OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND THE STAFF AGREES THAT IT WOULD.

SO WE FEEL LIKE WE DO MEET THE CRITERIA IDENTIFIED FOR BOTH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT AND THE REZONING.

AND WE TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHY STAFF IS RECOMMENDING DENIAL BECAUSE OF THAT GENERAL CONSENSUS THAT WE'VE SEEN OVER AND OVER AGAIN FROM COUNCIL TO TRY NOT TO REZONE COMMERCIAL.

BUT WE JUST THINK THIS ONE SITE AND ONLY THIS SITE IS UNIQUE TO OTHER COMMERCIAL AREAS.

SO THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, WHICH CURRENTLY HAS THESE ARE THE ZONING THAT ARE ALLOWED THERE TODAY.

IF IT WAS A VIABLE COMMERCIAL PARCEL, ALLOWABLE USES, WHICH WOULD BE A STAFF APPROVAL ONLY WOULDN'T GO THROUGH ANY PUBLIC HEARINGS, WOULDN'T GO THROUGH NOTIFICATIONS. THE NEIGHBORS COULD BE A RESTAURANT, A RETAIL STORE, SALE, DISPLAY ROOM, LAUNDRY, DRY CLEANING, PICKUP OFFICES, STUDIOS, CLINICS, BUSINESS SCHOOLS, A SCHOOL, A CHURCH, A DAYCARE CENTER.

I WOULDN'T WANT THAT IN MY BACKYARD.

A RESTAURANT, A VETERINARIAN CLINIC.

CONDITIONAL USES WOULD BE A GAS STATION, POTENTIALLY RESTAURANTS WITH DRIVE THRUS.

AND IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS, AND I THOUGHT THIS WAS UNIQUE THAT ALLOWS PATRONS TO DANCE TO MUSIC.

I HADN'T SEEN THAT IN A WHILE.

INDOOR COMMERCIAL RECREATION AMUSEMENTS SUCH AS RACETRACKS AND SIMILAR USES AND RESTAURANTS THAT SERVE ALCOHOL.

SO WE WOULD ARGUE AGAIN, ALL OF THOSE USES ARE MUCH, MUCH LESS COMPATIBLE THAN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID.

JUST WANT TO MENTION THE CURRENT TRIP COUNT THAT WAS THERE BEFORE THE PANDEMIC WAS ABOUT 100 TRIPS.

YOUR TYPICAL VIABLE COMMERCIALS, 20,000 PLUS.

THIS ROAD WILL NEVER GET THERE.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, YOU SEE, KRASSNER, THAT OUR PROJECT IS OFF OF HAS A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT BRENTWOOD LAKE'S WISTERIA, WHICH IS JUST TO THE WEST.

THAT'S THE ONLY OTHER POTENTIAL INGRESS AND EGRESS FROM THIS AREA.

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SO WE'RE ANTICIPATING EVEN LESS TRIPS ON KRASSNER, WHICH MAKES THE COMMERCIAL EVEN LESS VIABLE.

SO WITH THAT, WE JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT IF THE PROJECT WAS APPROVED, IT WOULD LIKE IT WERE.

THE ANTICIPATED DEVELOPMENT IS SIMPLE TOWNHOMES BE SIMPLE TOWNHOMES BY DEFINITION ARE SINGLE FAMILY, BUT IT IS AT A HIGHER DENSITY THAN YOUR TYPICAL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

AS WE KNOW THIS BOARD IS AWARE THE COST TO EXTEND THE UTILITIES WOULD BASICALLY MAKE, IN OUR EXPERIENCE, ANY OTHER USE, NOT A VIABLE USE.

SO WITH THAT, SORRY, HAD TO DIG A LITTLE DEEPER THAN NORMAL.

I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AND DO APPRECIATE A CHANCE TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.

IS THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. WISE? I DO HAVE A QUICK ONE.

CAN YOU GO INTO A LITTLE BIT IN TERMS OF THE DESIGN OF THE TOWNHOMES? ARE THESE THREE STORY TOWNHOMES OR THESE SINGLE FAMILY OR VILLAGE TYPE? LOOK, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

WE DON'T HAVE AN END USER.

WE HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH AN ACTUAL SPECIFIC DESIGN, AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE RECOMMENDATION AGAINST IT BY STAFF.

WE CAN'T GO THROUGH THE EXPENSE OF DOING AN ENTIRE SUBDIVISION TOWNHOME DESIGN.

I WILL TELL YOU THAT THEY WOULD BE LIMITED TO TWO STORY MAX, WHICH IS THE SAME AS THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT BACK UP TO US.

WE WOULD HAVE A SIX FOOT PERIMETER FENCE AROUND IT TO BUFFER BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES.

WE'D BE HAPPY TO TRY TO DO ENHANCED LANDSCAPING, THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT WITHOUT A SPECIFIC END USER, WE DON'T EXACTLY KNOW WHAT THE SIZE OF THE INDIVIDUAL UNITS WOULD BE, BUT WE WOULD ABSOLUTELY CAP IT AT A MAXIMUM OF TWO STORIES. I WISH YOU HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR ME, BUT I'LL TAKE IT.

YEAH, WE'RE JUST PREMATURE HERE.

WE DON'T HAVE LAND. WE DON'T HAVE ZONING OR LAND USE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS THE LAST TIME WE'RE HERE IN TERMS OF HOW DOES IT LOOK, YOU KNOW, IS IT APARTMENT TYPE COMPLEXES? IS IT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, DUPLEXES OR SOMETHING WHERE IT'S LOOKS LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, WHICH I THINK PEOPLE WERE OKAY WITH.

SO I THINK THE DESIGN DOES TO ME IN MY MIND MAKES A DIFFERENCE IN HOW DOES IT FIT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SURE. AND WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS ON CONDITIONS THAT ARE BETTER FOR THEM.

AGAIN, WE WEREN'T INVOLVED IN THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION, SO WE HAVEN'T HEARD SOME OF THE SPECIFIC ITEMS EXCEPT FOR LISTENING TO SOME OF THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS.

SO WE'RE GOING TO LISTEN TONIGHT.

WE'RE GOING TO TAKE NOTES AND WE'LL SEE WHAT WE CAN DO, HOPEFULLY TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT'S A WIN WIN FOR EVERYBODY.

THE OTHER QUESTIONS. RANDALL.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

SO, MR. WEISS, IF I MAY.

I HEAR I HEAR YOUR YOUR YOUR ASSERTION THIS EVENING.

AND WHAT I'M HEARING AND REALLY WHAT I'M GOING TO SUMMARIZE MY UNDERSTANDING OF IS THAT YOU'RE MAKING A VERY COMPELLING CASE AGAINST A COMMERCIAL APPLICATION.

BUT WHAT I WAS SEEKING AND STILL AM SEEKING, SO I'M GOING TO KIND OF ASK YOU THE OPEN ENDED QUESTION IS, CAN YOU GIVE ME SOME OF THE HIGH HARD, WHETHER IT'S ONE, TWO OR THREE POINTS OF A CASE FOR THIS MULTIFAMILY APPLICATION IN THIS SITE AND WHAT KIND OF VIBRANCY IT'S GOING TO BRING TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, I KNOW AGAINST COMMERCIAL GET AWAY FROM COMMERCIAL.

WHAT CAN BRING US TO MULTIFAMILY? WHAT IS GOING TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD BY CHANGING THIS TO MULTIFAMILY? SURE. NO, I APPRECIATE THAT QUESTION.

WELL, AGAIN, BY DEFINITION, TOWNHOMES ARE A SINGLE FAMILY.

THEY'RE FEE SIMPLE PLATTED TOWNHOMES, BUT THEY'RE TYPICALLY GROUPED IN ANYWHERE FROM 2 TO 6 UNITS PER BUILDING.

SO YOU'LL SEE MORE UNITS PER ACRE THAN YOU TYPICALLY DO WITH RESIDENTIAL.

SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY ALLOWS UP TO FIVE UNITS PER ACRE.

WE'RE ASKING TO CAP AT A MAXIMUM OF TEN YEARS PER ACRE.

WE DON'T KNOW IF WE WOULD GET THERE, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE MAXIMUM I HEARD IN SOME OF THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS.

PEOPLE KEPT SAYING 97 UNITS, APARTMENTS, MULTISTORY.

THAT IS NOT THE CASE.

IT IS DEFINITELY GOING TO BE FEE SIMPLE IS GOING TO BE A MAXIMUM OF TWO STOREY.

IT WOULD BE REALLY THE ONLY POTENTIAL THAT WE CAN SEE FOR THIS WHOLE AREA.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT THAT WHOLE REGION, IT'S ALL SINGLE FAMILY SPOT LOTS EXCEPT FOR THAT SCHOOL PARCEL.

AND SO IT WOULD BE THE ABILITY TO HAVE A TAX BASE FOR THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT IF IT REMAINS AS IS PROBABLY WON'T, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY A BENEFIT TO THE CITY, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT.

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SO THE BENEFIT OF IT IS A MASTER PLAN, SIX AND A HALF ACRE COMMUNITY, 50, 60, 65 UNITS WHO WOULD HAVE AN AMENITY.

IT WOULD JUST HELP, WE THINK, BRING UP THE AREA AND PROVIDE A TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL USE THAT IS SORELY NEEDED IN THIS AREA AND IN THE CITY.

THANK YOU, SIR. AND THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION, PLEASE.

THE OTHER VIABLE OPTION WOULD BE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

OKAY. OKAY.

SO NOW HOLD YOUR REACTION, PLEASE.

OH. THAT BEING SAID.

THEY STILL WOULD HAVE TO HAVE UTILITIES BROUGHT BACK OR COULD THEY BE SOLD IN HALF ACRE LOTS AND THEY PUT IN WELL AND SEPTIC, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE THAT $750,000 ADDED COST.

CORRECT. SO RIGHT NOW THERE IS BY OUR ACCOUNTS AND THIS HAS BEEN HERE FOR DECADES, THIS AREA, 356 DEVELOPED SINGLE FAMILY SPOT LOTS WITH SEPTIC AND WELL AND 343 UNDEVELOPED.

SO AFTER ALL THESE DECADES AND DECADES AND THAT'S JUST THIS ONE AREA AS THIS BOARD AND CITY IS AWARE, THERE'S THOUSANDS OF SPOT LOTS ACROSS PALM BAY THAT ARE STILL UNDEVELOPED.

SO WE THINK IN ORDER TO HAVE A PROJECT THAT WOULD BE VIABLE, THAT THE UTILITIES WOULD BE NECESSARY.

SO THE SINGLE FAMILY, IN OUR EXPERIENCE AND OUR OPINION, WOULDN'T BE A VIABLE USE TO EXTEND UTILITIES AND WOULD JUST ADD TO THE SPOTLIGHT COUNT THAT'S ACROSS PALM BAY.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO BRING IN DIFFERENT TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL USE THAT IS NEEDED AND WE BELIEVE WOULD BE SUCCESSFUL FOR THIS AREA.

BUT I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT, THAT POINT.

YOU HAD MENTIONED SPOT LOTS THROUGHOUT PALM BAY.

YOU HAD MENTIONED ALSO THAT PARTICULAR PLOT IS UNIQUE.

BUT. WHY WOULD IT BE A DETERRENT NOT TO HAVE ANOTHER 20 WELLS PUT IN AND SKEPTICS? IT'S UNIQUE. IT WOULDN'T BE CITYWIDE.

THERE'S THERE'S TENS OF THOUSANDS OF SPOT LOTS THAT ARE SITTING READY TO BE DEVELOPED RIGHT NOW TODAY.

THERE'S 50% APPROXIMATELY IN JUST THIS AREA THAT HAVE SAT THERE FOR DECADES AND NOT HAVEN'T BEEN DEVELOPED YET.

SO IN OUR EXPERIENCE, IN OUR ESTIMATION, IT WOULD BE MORE SPOT LOTS THAT WOULD BE THE SAME AS AS WHAT'S OUT THERE.

WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE SOMETHING DIFFERENT, A DIFFERENT PRODUCT THAT WE THINK WOULD BE SUCCESSFUL IN TODAY'S MARKET.

THANK YOU. YOU'RE THE QUESTIONS.

NO, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, JASON. UH, IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS APPLICATION? I SAW THAT THEY OPPOSED, SIR.

YES, YOU. YES.

PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM.

GET THERE. I THANK YOU, FOLKS FOR DOING THE JOB YOU DO.

I MEAN, I REALLY AM IMPRESSED.

I RARELY ATTEND THESE MEETINGS, BUT.

TO WORK HARD.

AND I APPRECIATE IT. I'M NOT TRYING TO BUTTER YOU UP EITHER.

I'M JUST GOING TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH.

OK. WHAT HASN'T BEEN MENTIONED? YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FIRST.

OH, I FORGOT.

OKAY. PARDON ME.

MORT WALTON AT 1577.

KISSINGER COURT. AS I SAY, IT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM WHEN WE'RE THERE PROPOSING TO CHANGE.

I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST THESE PEOPLE IN GENERAL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW THEM. BUT I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THAT I LIVE THERE AND I KNOW THE TRAFFIC THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE'RE DEALING WITH A TWO LANE STREET THAT DOES DEAD END AND WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE FEEDING INTO IT.

AND IF YOU GO OUT THERE, THERE'S CONSTANT BUILDING RIGHT NOW.

I CAN SHOW YOU AT LEAST THREE NEW LOTS THAT ARE BEING DONE ON MY WAY HOME.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OTHER ONES OFFSHOOT OUT OF THE OTHER STREETS.

SO THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF BUILDING GOING ON THERE RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS GOING TO CALL FOR MORE TRAFFIC COMING IN THROUGH THE SAME PLACE.

BUT HE'S BASICALLY PROPOSING AND I KNOW YOU ALREADY KNOW THIS, YOU'RE WAY AHEAD OF ME.

BUT WHAT HE'S SAYING IS TEN UNITS PER ACRE, THE AVERAGE PALM BAY LOT IN MY EXPERIENCE IS ABOUT A QUARTER ACRE.

YOU GET FOUR UNITS PER ACRE, SO FOUR TIMES SIX IS 24.

AND IF YOU COUNT THE HALF ACRE, MAYBE 26, WHERE HE'S SAYING 60, 65, THAT'S THREE TIMES AS MANY IN THAT SAME

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NOW, AT THE SAME TIME, LIKE HE MENTIONED, THEY JUST BUILT THE PLACE ACROSS KRASSNER AND DOWN BY HERITAGE.

THEY'RE BUILDING A HUGE PLACE DOWN THERE, OUT BY THE HIGH SCHOOL, AND THEN ANOTHER ONE A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN AS TO GO TOWARD MELBOURNE ON HERITAGE AND ONE I THINK THERE'S ONE THAT I'M FORGETTING ABOUT. OH, THERE'S ONE OUT TOWARD MALABAR ON MALABAR ROAD.

YOU KNOW, ANYBODY WHO LIVES HERE KNOWS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

THERE'S HUGE AMOUNTS OF BUILDING GOING ON.

THERE'S LOTS OF PLACES TO PUT MULTIFAMILY UNITS.

WE DON'T NEED MULTIFAMILY UNITS IN OUR SINGLE FAMILY UNIT AREA WHERE WE DON'T WANT OUR PROPERTY VALUES TO BE DRAGGED DOWN.

WE WANT THE NICE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE BOUGHT INTO, SO TO SPEAK.

AND I HOPE I'M SAYING THIS RIGHT.

I DON'T MEAN TO BE IGNORANT OR ANYTHING.

I'M JUST SAYING IT'S JUST I AGREE WITH THAT FELLOW.

DON. THERE IS A DON.

YEAH, DONE. WELL, I WENT IN MY BIFOCALS.

SORRY ABOUT THAT TIME. HE'S RIGHT.

WHY CAN'T WE JUST PUT IN MORE SINGLE FAMILY UNITS? WE'VE GOT LOTS OF ROOM, LOTS OF SPACE.

WHETHER I HAVE TO BUILD ANOTHER ROAD TO GET THREE ON EACH SIDE OR SOMETHING OR WHATEVER IT TAKES, YOU KNOW, THAT TO ME MAKES MORE SENSE THAN GOING TO A MULTIFAMILY UNIT.

AND HE'S USING THEY'RE USING, I SHOULD SAY, AND THEY'RE USING THIS ARGUMENT THAT IT'S NO GOOD FOR COMMERCIAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT COMMERCIAL WOULD BE ENTICED TO COME DOWN THAT WAY BECAUSE IT'S A DEAD END STREET.

SO, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY ONE THEY'D BE SERVING IS US LOCAL, RIGHT? THERE HAVE TO BE A REAL SMALL MOM AND POP STORE OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW.

SO I AGREE WITH THEM ON THAT.

IT'S NOT COMMERCIAL, BUT IT'S JUST A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AREA.

THAT'S WHAT WE NEED MORE OF RIGHT IN THERE.

AND I DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO MORE PEOPLE.

AND I'M ALSO IN AGREEMENT WITH DON.

I DON'T NEED THE EXPENSE OF UTILITIES.

I DON'T NEED WATER COMING IN THAT I GOT TO HOOK UP TO.

I'VE ALREADY GOT A SEPTIC TANK AND I'VE ALREADY GOT FRESH WATER COMING UP FROM MY WELL, IT'S GREAT SHAPE.

WE'VE GOT LOTS OF LOTS OF WATER OUT THERE.

NO PROBLEM. SO GENERALLY SPEAKING, I'M JUST SAYING I DON'T THINK WE NEED THIS CHANGE AND I'M REALLY AGAINST IT.

SO THERE YOU GO.

I SAID IT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MICHEL. OOPS.

SURE. NO, I SAID, THANK YOU, SIR.

LET'S COME TO THE PODIUM. AND I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY.

I'M JAMES KREITZER.

I LIVE ON 1871 REDBUD CIRCLE, NORTHWEST PALM BAY.

AND IF I COULD SEND THIS TO THE.

THAT'S AN OVERVIEW OF OUR AREA.

AND I DID SOME RESEARCH.

I AM A LICENSED REAL ESTATE AGENT.

IN STATE OF FLORIDA.

IF YOU NOTICE, THE HIGHLIGHTED IN RED AREA IS THE ONLY ONE OTHER LARGE PLOT IN ALL THAT RESIDENTIAL AREA AND IT'S OWNED BY MR. MACCALLUM AND THAT IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL.

NOW, AS FAR AS THIS IS THE SECOND TIME WE'RE HERE AND IT'S ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED THE FIRST TIME THEY WERE GOING FOR AROUND 15.

NOW THEY'RE GOING FOR AROUND TEN.

I STOPPED AT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND ALSO THE LAND MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT.

B I WAS TOLD BY BOTH THE REPRESENTATIVES THERE THERE IS ACTUALLY NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO EXCEPT 115 UNITS PER ACRE.

AND THE OTHER ONE IS TEN UNITS PER ACRE.

NOW THE GENTLEMAN AND I RESPECT HIS PRESENTATION KEPT TALKING ABOUT TOWNHOUSES.

BUT ONCE WE ZONE THIS RENT, THEN THEY CAN BUILD APARTMENT BUILDINGS.

UP TO TEN UNITS PER ACRE.

ALL RIGHT. SO YOU COMING UP HERE AND SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO BUILD TOWNHOUSES.

THAT'S ALL FINE AND WELL, BUT WE CAN'T STOP THEM ONCE IT'S ARM TEN.

NOW THEY TALK ABOUT WATER AND SEWER.

IT'S 0.8 MILES FROM MALABAR ROAD TO THIS PARTICULAR 6.5 ACRES.

HE CAME UP WITH A PRICE.

I THINK IT WOULD BE A LOT MORE TO RUN THE WATER AND SEWER, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A BIG PROBLEM BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET, THEN THIS 6.5 ACRES, BECAUSE FPL JUST LAID LARGE PIPES ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET TO RUN UNDERGROUND ELECTRIC FOR OUR COMMUNITY. WE ARE A SINGLE FAMILY COMMUNITY.

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NOW THERE ARE 17.

AND AS WE SPEAK, TWO MORE LOTS ARE BEING CLEARED.

THE CHANGE, IN MY OPINION.

WELL, LET'S GO WITH HOW IT SHOULD BE RESOLVED.

IT SHOULD BE RESOLVED.

RS TWO RS TO YOU CAN PUT A MINIMUM OF A 1200 SQUARE FOOT HOME WITH ONLY A ONE CAR GARAGE.

THAT WOULD BE PERFECT FOR THAT AREA.

YOU WOULDN'T NEED WATER AND SEWER.

BY THE WAY, WHEN THEY WENT FOR ROUND 15, THE ZONING BOARD DID REJECT IT AND THEY APPEALED IT TO CITY COUNCIL.

IT WAS A UNANIMOUS VOTE AT CITY COUNCIL TO REJECT THE REQUEST.

NOW, ONE THING ABOUT THE REASON IT'S BEEN SITTING THERE FOR DECADES.

THE OWNER RIGHT NOW HAS OWNED IT FOR 20 YEARS.

20 YEARS AGO, THEY PURCHASED PROPERTY FOR $93,000.

WHEN THE PROPERTY WENT UP FOR SALE, I HAD ONE OF MY INVESTORS THAT WANTED ME TO CALL ON IT.

AT THAT TIME.

THEY WERE ASKING $1.4 MILLION FOR THE 6.5 ACRES.

AND THE OTHER AGENT TOLD ME.

IT'S REDUCED BY 250,000 TO RUN WATER AND SEWER TO THE PROPERTY, WHICH NOW APPARENTLY IT'S 450 TO 500000.

INPUTTING TOWNHOMES OR.

AND CONDOS OR APARTMENTS IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL AREA IS NOT GOOD.

AND THE EXAMPLE I'M GOING TO USE IS THE HERITAGE PARKWAY.

THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 4 TO 5000 HOMES THAT ARE GOING TO BE BUILDING THERE.

THEY'RE ALL ZERO, A LOT LINE HOMES.

THERE'S NOT ONE OF THOSE BUILDERS ON THE HERITAGE PARKWAY THAT'S GOING TO TAKE AN ACRE OF HIS LAND AND PUT IT IN THE MIDDLE OF HIS DEVELOPMENT AND PUT APARTMENTS OR CONDOS OR TOWNHOUSES.

AND THE REASON THAT THESE LARGE DEVELOPERS ARE NOT DOING IT IS BECAUSE IT WOULD BRING DOWN THE VALUE OF THEIR 400 AND $450,000 HOMES THAT THEY WANT TO BUILD AROUND IT.

OKAY. SIR, WOULD YOU PLEASE WRAP IT UP? AND WRAP IT UP.

YES. NO.

I GOT A LOT MORE HAIR, BUT I'LL WRAP IT UP.

YOU WANT ME TO, YOU KNOW, JUST MAKE THE SALIENT POINTS, PLEASE.

WELL, THAT'S THAT'S THE POINT.

THIS IS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AREA.

WE DON'T WANT APARTMENTS OR CONDOS OR TOWNHOUSES.

AND THEY COULD PUT.

A COMMERCIAL PIECE OF PROPERTY IN THERE WITH THE SEPTIC AND WELL, BECAUSE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET ON A LARGE TRACK, THERE'S A CHURCH AND IT'S A MOUND SYSTEM WITH WELL AND SEPTIC.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, SIR. THIS IS NOT A GIVE AND TAKE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK, MA'AM? GOOD EVENING. I'M JENNY YOUNG.

MY ADDRESS IS 1524 KISSINGER COURT NORTHWEST, WHICH IS DOWN THE STREET A LITTLE BIT SHORT AND SWEET.

WE DON'T NEED.

THESE MANY.

WE DON'T NEED MULTIFAMILY THINGS.

WE HAVE PLENTY OF SPACE WHERE THEY'RE PUTTING UP SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

WE DON'T NEED THE COST.

WE DON'T NEED THE TRAFFIC.

WE DON'T NEED THE DANGER TO THE KIDS THAT WALK DOWN THE STREET TO GO TO SCHOOL OR CATCH THEIR SCHOOL BUSSES.

WE DON'T NEED THIS STUFF.

ALL WE NEED IS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

WE DON'T NEED ALL THE BELLS AND WHISTLES.

IT'S NOT NECESSARY.

SO THERE'S NO REASON TO PUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD THROUGH THAT TRAVAIL.

ALL THAT CITY, SEWER, WATER, BLAH, BLAH.

WE DON'T NEED THAT. SO PLEASE DON'T DO THIS.

OKAY. THANK YOU, MRS. YOUNG, MA'AM.

MY NAME IS KIMBERLY BOTELHO.

I LIVE AT 1897 PINTO COURT.

I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE.

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I'VE BEEN LIVING THERE FOR 25 YEARS AND HAVE PASSED THIS EMPTY AREA FOR THAT LONG.

I'M DRIVING HOME SUNRISE ELEMENTARY AND GOING UP KRASNER.

I COUNTED 21 NEW HOMES ON THAT STREET, SO AS FAR AS SPOT LOTS NOT BEING DEVELOPED, OUR WHOLE AREA.

I'VE BEEN THERE FOR 25 YEARS.

YES, FOR A LONG TIME IT WASN'T.

BUT NOW IT IS JUST COUNTING NEW HOMES.

AND YOU DO.

LOTS TAKEN OFF THIS TODAY.

NEW HOMES. THERE'S 21.

JUST AS I DROVE UP THE STREET HOME FROM SCHOOL TODAY AS I LOOKED.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HAVING OFFERINGS 60 UNITS FOR FAMILIES IN THE AREA.

WHEN I DID A LITTLE RESEARCH TODAY AND JUST PULLED UP WHAT YOU CAN FIND FOUR APARTMENTS OFF OF MALABAR ROAD, THERE'S 1284 APARTMENTS AVAILABLE.

WE HAVE OFFERED WITH MERCURY COVE, THE PARK ISLAH ALL ALONG MALABAR ROAD ARE RIGHT OFF SANFILIPPO, SO WE HAVE LOTS OF CHOICES.

LAST COUNCIL MEETING I WAS HERE AS WELL, THERE WAS 243 HOMES GOING TO BE BUILT AT THE END OF MALABAR ROAD IS A NEW DEVELOPMENT, SO WE HAVE LOTS OF OPTIONS IN THE AREA.

SO TO PUT 60 UNITS RIGHT HERE IN THIS RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S NOT A NEEDED FACILITY.

IT'S WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IS SOME SINGLE FAMILIES, MAYBE EVEN SOME DUPLEXES.

WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT WE DON'T WANT SOMETHING TO GO THERE, BUT THAT IS JUST TOO MANY.

YOU GOING TO PARK 120, 60 UNITS? EVERY FAMILY USUALLY HAS TWO CARS, RIGHT? IT'S 120 CARS.

YOU'RE GOING TO PARK IN 60 ACRES EXCUSE ME, 6.5 ACRES, ALONG WITH 60 UNITS.

THAT'S A LOT.

AND THAT IS IF WE TALK ABOUT GETTING INTO KRASSNER, THERE'S A WALKING BRIDGE THAT GOES OVER TO THE PARK.

LOTS OF KIDS COME UP THAT AREA TO WALK, TO RIDE THEIR BIKES.

THERE'S NOT A SIDEWALK ALL THE WAY UP THAT STREET, BUT THE PEOPLE USE THAT ROAD ALL THE TIME TO GET INTO THE PARK.

WE BUILT THAT WALKING BRIDGE TO BE AN AREA WHERE KIDS CAN FAMILIES CAN COME UP.

SO ALL THOSE ALL THOSE ARE US RESIDENTS USE THAT AREA FOR THAT.

SO MY WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS THAT IT IS IF IT WAS A COMMERCIAL USE, THE CHURCH HAS BEEN THERE FOR, I WANT TO SAY EIGHT OR NINE YEARS.

THERE IS SOMETHING THAT CAN GO ACROSS THE STREET IN THE AREA.

WHEN THEY BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY FROM GDC, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO SUFFERED IN THAT GDC SCAM, CORRECT? MANY PEOPLE. MY AUNT WAS ONE.

THAT'S HOW I GOT TO PALM BAY.

SHE BOUGHT DOWN HERE AND SHE HAD A LOT HERE.

SO THERE, INVESTMENT THERE.

I'M SORRY. IT CAN'T BE DEVELOPED INTO SOMETHING ELSE, BUT IT IS OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT IS AT AN END, A DEAD END STREET.

AND WHEN HE WAS SAYING HOW MANY TRAFFIC TRIPS THAT NEEDED TO COME DOWN THAT STREET, BUT IF YOU HAD SOMETHING LIKE EVEN A VETERINARIAN OFFICE, A CHURCH, A SMALL OFFICE BUILDING, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO HAVE THAT MANY TRIPS, TICKS BY THAT PLACE BECAUSE YOU'RE COMING THERE FOR A PURPOSE.

IF YOU WANTED TO PUT A STORE THERE.

YES, YOU WOULDN'T GET ENOUGH TRIPS BY THAT PLACE TO TO VIABLE FOR A STORE.

BUT WE LIKE TO SEE A RESIDENTIAL AREA.

WE'RE NOT OPPOSED OF SOMETHING GOING THERE.

BUT 60 UNITS IS NOT WHAT WE WOULD LIKE FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE, SIR? MY NAME IS BILL RYAN. I LIVE AT 1404 HAYWORTH AND FOR 32 YEARS.

AND EVERYBODY HAS PRETTY MUCH TOUCHED ON MY FEELINGS, TOO.

WE DON'T NEED THAT THERE.

THERE'S NO REASON FOR IT. IF IT WAS PUT IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WOULD YOU VOTE YES FOR IT? YOU LIVED THERE FOR 32 YEARS, WOULD YOU SAY? YEAH, GO AHEAD. PUT TOWNHOMES NEXT TO MY HOUSE.

I DON'T THINK SO. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO HAS A DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW? SURE.

GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, COUNCIL MEMBERS.

JUST WANTED TO SAY I ECHO THE CONCERNS OF ALL THE RESIDENTS THAT HAVE ALREADY COME UP TO SPEAK.

JUST WANTED TO BRING UP THE FACT THAT I THINK ADDING THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC INCREASING FROM APPROXIMATELY 27 CARS TO UPWARDS OF 98 CARS FOR THE 60 UNITS FOR THAT AREA IS A 260% INCREASE IN CAPACITY.

AND I THINK IT WILL POTENTIALLY IMPACT THE ALREADY GROWING CONCERNS FOR TRAFFIC FLOW ALONG MALABAR BETWEEN.

HERE IS PARKWAY AND MINTON ROAD IS ALL TWO LANES, ONE DIRECTION EACH.

WITH THE ADDITION OF TILLMAN LAKE'S, BRENTWOOD LAKES AND AVERY SPRINGS.

TRAFFIC'S GOING TO BE CONCERNED.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR.

SIR. EVENING.

MY NAME IS TRACY BROWNFIELD.

FIVE, FIVE, FOUR. CACTI CAUGHT.

I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH YOUR RULES FOR SUBMITTING PAPERS, BUT I'D JUST LIKE TO END THIS UP HERE, IF I MAY.

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THERE WAS AN OPEN AREA IN THE CENTER, THAT SUBDIVISION.

SOMEBODY BOUGHT IT AND THEY STUFFED IN 70 OR 80 HOUSES.

YOU CAN RUN FROM ROOF TO ROOF.

I'M SURE THE PEOPLE IN THE OUT OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD ARE THRILLED THAT THAT IS THEIR.

THAT THAT HAS DESTROYED THEIR PROPERTY VALUE.

WE DON'T WANT THIS HAPPENING.

WE WELCOME HOMES. WE WELCOME PEOPLE.

THAT'S GREAT. WE DON'T NEED TWO OR THREE STOREY APARTMENT BUILDINGS.

AND NO MATTER WHAT IS PROMISED UNTIL IT'S ON PAPER, IT'S JUST WORDS.

DON'T DO THIS TO US.

OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. BROWNFIELD.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO HAS A DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW THAT WE HAVEN'T HEARD? SURE.

MY NAME IS RICHARD RICHARD DUFFY.

I RESIDE AT 526 DE LEON COURT, WHICH IS RIGHT BEHIND THAT PROPERTY.

NOW I'M TOTALLY AGAINST THIS.

AND I AGREE WITH ALL THE PEOPLE HERE AS FAR AS THAT IS CONCERNED.

I PARTICULARLY I DON'T CARE FOR THE TWO STORY OR THREE STORY BUILDINGS THAT THEY WANT TO PUT THERE, BECAUSE IF YOU WANT TO PUT TEN UNITS PER ACRE, IF YOU HAVE TO ALLOW FOR PARKING LOTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO UP BECAUSE THEY CANNOT GO LOW.

AND I WHEN I GO IN MY POOL, I DON'T EXPECT FOR PEOPLE ON THE SECOND FLOOR LOOKING AT ME BECAUSE MY HOUSE IS RIGHT THERE.

SO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO I DO NOT WANT THIS.

AND OBVIOUSLY EVERYBODY HERE DO NOT WANT THIS.

AND I WANT TO CORRECT THIS.

THIS IS THE I BELIEVE THE FOURTH THE FIFTH TIME THAT I'M HERE ON THE SAME THING.

AND I'M GOING TO KEEP COMING AS LONG AS THEY KEEP DOING IT.

NOW, HE WAS SAYING.

PEOPLE AGREED LAST NIGHT.

LAST TIME I WAS HERE, I BELIEVE THIS YOUNG LADY WAS THERE, TOO.

THEY DIDN'T AGREE. THEY DIDN'T AGREE THROUGH THIS THING.

THEY DIDN'T SHOW UP THE LAST TIME.

SO THE THING GOT FORFEITED.

AND I CAME.

AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, I GOT A LETTER.

I GOT TO COME AGAIN.

I HOPE THIS IS THE LAST TIME YOU GUYS NEED TO PUT THIS TO BED.

YOU GUYS DISAGREED BEFORE.

YOU SHOULD DO THE SAME THING.

AND I AGREE WITH HIM.

THEY SHOULD DO THE DUPLEXES OR SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT, JAKE, DID YOU WANT TO RESPOND? WELL, I KNOW YOU DO.

THANK YOU. I'LL BE BRIEF.

I JUST JOTTED DOWN A COUPLE OF NOTES THAT I HEARD FROM THE RESIDENTS AND COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERNS.

AGAIN, WE WEREN'T PART OF THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION, SO WE ARE COMING INTO THIS LATE.

I WASN'T HERE FOR THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATIONS, DID GO BACK AND REVIEW THE MEETINGS, HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR WHAT THEY'RE SAYING.

FIRST ITEM AR TEN VERSUS RAM 15.

THE OWNER PREVIOUSLY APPLIED FOR THE RMB 15, WHICH IS WHAT THIS BOARD HEARD BEFORE AND WHICH WAS DENIED BY COUNSEL.

THAT WAS BY THE OWNER.

AND THE ONLY DIFFERENCE THAT I'M AWARE OF IS THE DENSITY.

SO THE GENTLEMAN SAID THAT EARLIER, I BELIEVE IS CORRECT.

NO IDEA ABOUT PREVIOUS SALE PRICES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

MARKETS GO CRAZY HIGH UP AND DOWN, SO I COULDN'T EVEN ANSWER THAT AT ALL.

THERE IS A PROJECT UNDERWAY TO FOUR LANE MALABAR ROAD SPORTS PROBABLY VERY WELL AWARE OF THAT.

THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE GOING ON, ESPECIALLY TO THE SOUTH AND WEST OF HERE, ARE THOUSANDS OF UNITS, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF SQUARE FOOT OF COMMERCIAL.

SO THAT IS DEFINITELY UNDERWAY.

WE'RE THE ENGINEERS FOR AVERY SPRINGS, BRENTWOOD LAKES, THREE OAKS, CHAPARRAL.

SO WE UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE AREA.

THOSE PROJECTS HAVE ALL DONATED 50 FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE FUTURE WIDENING OF MALABAR ROAD AS WELL.

SO THERE IS MASTER PLANNING MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT AND THAT'S WHY YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE SOME OF THESE TRAFFIC SIGNALS AS WELL.

AND EACH ONE OF THESE TRAFFIC SIGNALS THAT WE WORK ON ARE TIMED WITH EACH OTHER.

SO THEY ARE TRYING TO DO THE BEST THEY CAN WITH TRAFFIC, BUT TRAFFIC COUNTS OR A MINOR ARTERIAL ROAD LIKE KRASNER ARE LOW.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE RESIDENTS ARE SAYING, AND FROM WHAT WE COULD TELL, ONLY ABOUT HALF OF THE SPOT LOTS ARE OR IN AN UP MARKET RIGHT NOW.

SO WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF SPOTS BEING DEVELOPED.

WE ALL TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT.

I PREVIOUSLY IDENTIFIED THAT WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO AGREE TO A CONDITION THAT IS TOWNHOMES FEE SIMPLE ONLY AGAIN BY

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THEY MIGHT BE ONE AND TWO STOREY.

YOU WOULD ABSOLUTELY AGREE TO THAT.

WE ARE TRYING TO PROVIDE SOMETHING THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S HERE AND WHAT YOU SEE IN JUST THIS AREA, NORTH EAST AND ALL OTHER OTHER PARTS OF PALM BAY.

WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE A DIFFERENT PRODUCT THAT WE THINK WOULD BE SUCCESSFUL IN THE AREA AND WOULD BE ABLE TO MOVE ALONG.

I PAINFULLY TOOK EXTRA TIME TO GO THROUGH THE CRITERIA FOR BOTH THE COMPLAINT AMENDMENT AND THE REZONING.

WE DO FEEL LIKE THAT WE DO MEET ALL THAT CRITERIA, AND WITH THAT I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

THE INTENTION OF IT IS A SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED INTENSITY FROM THE CURRENT ZONING AND LAND USE, GOING FROM COMMERCIAL TO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING WITH THE RESIDENTIAL WITH A CAP AT TEN UNITS AN ACRE.

SO THANK YOU. GOOD TO HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTION FOR MR. WEISS. HEY, THANK YOU, JAKE.

THANK YOU. YOU HAD A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

STAFF. JUST A QUICK CLARIFICATION.

WHEN MR. WEISS SPOKE EARLIER, HE SAID ONE OF THE REASONS WHY STAFF WAS DENYING THIS WAS BECAUSE OF CITY COUNCIL DIRECTION IN TERMS OF MAINTAINING AS MUCH COMMERCIAL AS POSSIBLE.

IS THAT THE CASE? SO WE DO CONSIDER THE CHANGE FROM COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL AS SOMETHING THAT WOULD SOMEWHAT CAUSE A RED FLAG FOR US IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR THE DISTRIBUTION OF COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL TYPE ZONING DISTRICTS COMPARED TO THE HOUSING THAT WE HAVE THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

HOWEVER, AT THE SAME TIME, WE LOOK BEYOND JUST THAT.

WE WERE ALSO LOOKING AT, FOR INSTANCE, THE FACT THAT IT WOULD BE THE ONLY MULTIPLE FAMILY FUTURE LAND USE IN THAT AREA, WHICH IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY.

AND THEN BEYOND THAT, IT WOULD HAVE THE DENSITY THAT WOULD BE ALLOWING TWICE AS MUCH DENSIFICATION AS EVERYTHING SURROUNDING IT.

SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED THAT WE ARE OPPOSED TO ANYTHING BEYOND COMMERCIAL, IT'S JUST THAT WE ARE NOT SEEING A SUITABILITY OR COMPATIBILITY WITH THIS CURRENT PROJECTED OR PROPOSED CHANGE AS THERE COULD BE IN OTHER SITUATIONS.

ONE OTHER THING DOES THE CITY SEE THE NEED FOR THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, THIS TYPE OF MULTI MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT? MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT IS ALWAYS A BENEFICIAL THING TO HELP DIVERSIFY THE HOUSING STOCK THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

SO MAKING SURE THAT WE DO MEET ALL ASPECTS OF ACCESSIBLE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS REALLY IMPORTANT, AS WELL AS MAKING SURE THAT WE GIVE EVERY TYPE OF RESIDENT THE POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY THAT THEY MIGHT WANT FOR A HOUSING SITUATION WITHIN THE CONFINES OF.

HOW DOES THE CITY FEEL AS IT RELATES TO PUTTING 20 OR 25 SINGLE FAMILY HOME WITH SEPTIC RIGHT THERE? AS TO AN IDEA, UNFORTUNATELY, THAT WOULD BE MORE OF A PUBLIC WORKS QUESTION.

I'M NOT SURE IF WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE HERE RIGHT NOW.

WE DO NOT AT THIS MOMENT.

BECAUSE I ASSUME UTILITIES.

I APOLOGIZE. I MISSPOKE.

OKAY. NOW, JUST ASSUME THE CITY WOULD WANT TO ENCOURAGE MORE CITY WATER SEWER CONNECTIONS.

TYPICALLY, I WOULD ASSUME.

YES, THAT WOULD BE CORRECT, THAT WE WOULD PREFER CONNECTIVITY TO THE CITY INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WOULD TYPICALLY BE BENEFICIAL, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE LOOKING AT EXTENSIONS THAT COULD ALLOW FOR FURTHER EXTENSIONS LATER ON.

IN THIS CASE, THERE WOULDN'T BE A REQUIREMENT FOR A DEVELOPER WHO'S DOING A SINGLE FAMILY HOME SIMPLY BECAUSE THERE'S NO ACCESS TO CITY WATER AT THIS POINT.

THE MANNER IN WHICH IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE DIVIDED IN THIS AREA THROUGH OTHER RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS COULD ALLOW FOR IT TO NOT BE ON CITY WATER.

YES, THAT IS CORRECT. SIR.

YOU'VE ALREADY SPOKEN. YOU ONLY GET ONE BITE OF THE APPLE.

BUT YOU SAID NO, SIR.

SIR, AT THIS POINT, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD.

BEFORE I CALL FOR A MOTION, I JUST WANT TO SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS.

NUMBER ONE IS, IS I AM A VERY, VERY STRONG PROPONENT OF OF DEVELOPMENT, OF GROWTH, AS MR. WISE KNOWS. AND EVERYBODY WHO'S BEEN ON THIS BOARD FOR ANY LENGTH OF TIME KNOWS LAST TIME THIS.

YEAH, I'M SORRY.

THE LAST TIME THE LAST TIME THIS CAME BEFORE THE BOARD, I RECOMMENDED DENIAL OF THIS CASE AND NOT NOT BECAUSE OF ANY OF THE EMOTIONALISM.

YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, FOR YOU, IT'S AN EMOTIONAL ISSUE.

YOU DON'T WANT DEVELOPMENT RIGHT ON TOP OF YOU, RIGHT BEHIND YOUR PROJECT.

BUT THAT FRANKLY, I REALLY THAT HAS NO EFFECT ON ME.

BUT THIS I THINK A PROJECT LIKE THIS IS THIS IS JUST THE WRONG PLACE FOR IT.

IT JUST REALLY IS.

YOU KNOW, KRASNER, AS YOU'VE ALREADY SAID, IS A DEAD END.

RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET IS A CHURCH.

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SO I CERTAINLY I JUST WILL NOT SUPPORT IT.

AND SO. BOARD, CAN I GET A MOTION, PLEASE? MOTION TO DENY. WE HAVE MOTION TONIGHT FROM ROBERT SECOND.

DON ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? RACHEL YEAH. MR. CHAIR, I'M JUST GOING TO NEED CLARIFICATION ON THE ON THE MOTION.

I'M GOING TO NEED MORE.

MORE TO IT. ROBERT.

WANT TO EXPLAIN WHY YOU'RE MAKING A MOTION TO DENY THIS PROJECT.

YES. JUST SIMPLY IT DOESN'T SEEM TO CONFORM TO THE GENERAL.

I THINK THIS IS WHERE WE GET INTO THE SPOT ZONING TYPE ISSUES.

THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF.

YOU KNOW, A, WE'RE TRYING TO TO MAKE SOMETHING WORK HERE.

AND IT IT'S IN A RESIDENTIAL ZONED AREA.

I'D RATHER KEEP IT RESIDENTIAL ZONING AS OPPOSED TO MULTIFAMILY.

IF YOUR QUESTION TO A DEGREE, SIR, WHAT I'M HOPING TO CAPTURE IS THAT THE MINUTES OF THIS MEETING LIVE ON FOREVER.

AND SO MR. GOODE MADE A MOTION TO DENY SPECIFICALLY WITHIN THE MOTION WASN'T THE SPECIFIC CASE, BUT OF COURSE WE COULD GET THERE.

BUT ALSO, AS FAR AS THE CONDITIONS FOR DENIAL, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT THE BOARD ENDS UP VOTING ON, I WOULD LIKE TO OUTLIVE THIS MEETING, OUTLIVE RECORDINGS, THIS MEETING, AND IT BE IN THE MINUTES THAT THE BOARD MOTION MOTIONS TO DENY OR TO APPROVE, DEPENDING WHAT THE BOARD ACTUALLY MOTIONS TO DO BASED UPON.

AND THEN IT IT IS THERE.

AND QUITE FRANKLY, THE ONLY WAY THAT THAT'S GOING TO POSITIVELY END UP IN THE MINUTES IS IF IT'S STATED IN THE MOTION.

OTHERWISE, ANYTHING ELSE WOULD JUST BE AN ASSUMPTION OF WHAT THE PERSON MAKING THE MOTION STATED.

I'M JUST SEEKING ULTIMATE CLARITY IN THE MOTION.

I THINK I THINK ROBERT DID CLARIFY IT, THAT HE DOESN'T BELIEVE THAT A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT WOULD FIT IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

I TEND TO AGREE WITH HIM.

SO I GUESS I WOULD JUST WANT A QUICK CLARIFICATION FROM STAFF AND OR THE CITY ATTORNEY THAT THAT IS GOING TO TRANSCRIBE INTO THE MINUTES OF THIS MEETING, WHICH IS POTENTIALLY GOING TO BE THE ONLY THING THAT'S RELIED ON FOR FUTURE REFERENCE.

THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO GET AT IS THAT THE RECORD THAT WILL CARRY FORWARD IS CORRECT.

THAT'S ALL I'M SEEKING. SO THAT WILL THE MOTION WILL BE THE WAY THAT IT'S WRITTEN.

FAIR ENOUGH. THANK YOU, MA'AM.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

I JUST. WELL, EVERYBODY KNOWS WHEN IT COMES TO ME.

I BELIEVE IN DIVERSITY AND THE TYPES OF HOUSING THAT WE HAVE.

I DO BELIEVE THAT HAVING, YOU KNOW, ACCESS TO DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOMES, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THINKING OF YOUNG PEOPLE COME IN OUR COMMUNITY.

THEY CAN'T AFFORD A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

PALM BAY IS LITTERED WITH IT.

SO I AM I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS NEEDED IN THE CITY.

WHAT WHAT THE DENSITY IS WHAT IMPACTS ME IN TERMS OF IF IF YOU CAME HERE WITH DUPLEXES OR QUAD OR SOMETHING AND YOU WERE, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR TO THE SAME DENSITY AS YOU WOULD HAVE FOUR UNITS PER ACRE OR FIVE OR EVEN SIX OR THEN.

ABSOLUTELY. BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THAT IT DOES GIVE THAT MULTIFAMILY ACCESS.

BUT THE WAY IT IS NOW, I IT'S HARD TO SUPPORT KNOWING KRASNER KNOWING THAT STREET, KNOWING IT'S A DEAD END.

IT'S JUST IT'S VERY DIFFICULT.

SO OVERALL, THE I THINK WE REALLY DO NEED TO LOOK AT THIS AND FIND OUT WHAT'S THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE THAT FITS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, WITHIN THIS STREET. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS TONIGHT FROM ROBERT? SECOND FROM DON.

ALL IN FAVOR OF THE DENIALS.

SEE, I, I I.

I. A MOTION TO DENY IS CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

NOW, OUR NEXT CASE, C.P.S., WHICH IS THE 18 2022, IS THE COMPANION ZONING CASE.

IT REALLY IS A MOOT POINT.

IT CAN'T BE APPROVED.

BUT JUST JUST FOR THE RECORD, WE'LL NEED A MOTION TO DENY CPC 18 2022.

THE MOTION FROM.

FROM ROBERT. WE HAVE A SECOND.

YOU HAVE SECOND FROM ANY DISCUSSION.

ALL IN FAVOR OF THE DENIAL CPC 18 2022.

SAY I I I'LL OPPOSE MOTION TO DENY IS CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

HEY, BEFORE WE GO ON, I JUST WANTED A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARIFICATION AS TO WHAT RANDALL MEANT IN TERMS OF WHEN I WASN'T SURE IF I FULLY

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YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

IF I MAY, I'D BE HAPPY TO.

AND I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, STAYING WITHIN ORDER IN OUR CHAMBERS AND LETTING US CONDUCT THE BUSINESS, EVEN THOUGH THERE MAY OR MAY NOT BE OVER.

BUT THE POINT OF CLARIFICATION THAT I WAS GETTING AT MS..

MARAJ AND MR. CHAIR, IS WHAT I'VE EXPERIENCED IN MY RECENT TIME, WHETHER IT'S SITTING ON THIS BOARD OR VIEWING THE BOARD BEFORE I WAS SITTING ON THE BOARD, IS THAT I FEEL AS THOUGH SOME OF THE MOTIONS THAT COME ACROSS ARE EXTREMELY VAGUE.

AND YOU HAVE TO BE HERE IN THIS CHAMBER HEARING EVERY SINGLE PERSON'S VOICE TO KNOW THE TRUE NATURE OF THAT MOTION.

NOW THAT BECOMES A PROBLEM BECAUSE AUDIO VISUAL EQUIPMENT, AS RELIABLE OR UNRELIABLE AS IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE, CAUSES A BREAKDOWN.

THE UTILIZATION OF THE MICROPHONES AND SPEAKING CLEARLY INTO THEM CAUSES A BREAKDOWN, THE LACK THEREOF CAUSES A BREAKDOWN.

SO WHEN IT COMES TO OUR MOTION, WHICH I FIND TO BE THE ONLY FRUITFUL RESULT OF OUR DELIBERATIONS, IS OUR MOTION TO COUNSEL.

WHAT I'M SEEKING IS A LEVEL OF SPECIFICITY WITHIN THAT MOTION, AND THEN WHEN THAT CARRIES THROUGH WITH SUPPORT OR DENIAL, THAT THERE IS NO DOUBT BY READING THAT ONE SENTENCE, WHAT THIS BOARD MEANT SO THAT THE COUNSEL CAN KNOW THAT WHEN THEY READ THE MINUTES OF OUR MEETING IN REFERENCE TO THE ITEMS WHEN THEY GET TO THE COUNCIL MEETING, BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH WE RECOMMENDED FOR DENIAL, WHICH I DON'T KNOW THAT A LOT OF FOLKS UNDERSTAND THIS IS GOING TO PROCEED TO THE COUNCIL MEETING.

SOME FOLKS UNDERSTAND THAT. SOME FOLKS DON'T.

SO IF WE SIMPLY SAY, YOU KNOW, IF A CHAIR SAYS, I NEED A RECOMMENDATION TO DENY AND SOMEONE ELSE SAYS, YEAH, I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION TO DENY WHAT HAPPENED, WHAT HAPPENED, UNLESS YOU WERE HERE, YOU HEARD EVERYTHING AND YOU WERE ABLE TO INTERPRET ALL, YOU DON'T KNOW THAT.

AND I THINK THAT IT IS IS FRANKLY, OUR DUTY TO PROVIDE THAT LEVEL OF CLARIFICATION BEFORE WE MOVE ON WITH AN ORDER OF BUSINESS.

BECAUSE I FEEL AS THOUGH BY THE TIME OUR OPINIONS GET TO COUNCIL, THEY MAY OR MAY NOT.

THE IMPACT OF THEM MAY BE WATERED DOWN BY THE LACK OF CLARITY.

I HAVE HEARD IT MULTIPLE COUNSEL MEETINGS.

WHY DID THE PLANNING AND ZONING RECOMMEND FOR DENIAL? WHY DID THE PLANNING AND ZONING RECOMMEND FOR APPROVAL? AND AS WE SPEND HOURS HERE AS A BOARD WITH THESE WONDERFUL RESIDENTS OF OUR CITY THAT ARE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND DO THIS SECOND PROCESS AT A COUNCIL MEETING, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT NONE OF OUR TIME IS WASTED AND THAT IT'S QUITE EFFECTIVELY USED.

THAT'S WHAT I THINK THE CITIZENS DESERVE.

THAT'S WHY I SERVE ON THIS BOARD AND THAT'S WHY I'LL CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE FOR THAT.

SO THANK YOU FOR ASKING THAT CLARIFYING QUESTION, MISS MARAJ.

OKAY. I DO KNOW THAT THERE'S COUNCIL SHOULD READ OUR MINUTES.

THEY KIND OF GET THROUGH.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

YES, MA'AM. AND JUST OF COURSE, OUR MINUTES ARE SUMMARIZATION OF OUR WORDS.

SO WHEN WE MAKE A MOTION THAT DOESN'T GET SUMMARIZED, THAT SHOULD BE SAID, WRITTEN DOWN WORD FOR WORD, WHERE OTHER THINGS MAY GET SUMMARIZED.

MR. OLSZEWSKI SHARED HIS OPINION ON HOW MOTION SHOULD BE WRITTEN IS WHAT'S GOING TO BE WRITTEN IN TONIGHT'S MINUTES.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE EVERY WORD I JUST SAID.

SO WHEN IT COMES TO THE MOTION, I WANT THE MOTIONS THAT WE VOTE ON, PARTICULARLY READ OUT LOUD AND UNDERSTOOD WORD FOR WORD WHAT WILL CARRY IN OUR MINUTES AND WHAT WILL CARRY ON INTO THE THE APPLICATION ALL THE WAY UP TO THE COUNCIL LEVEL? THAT'S WHAT I'M SEEKING.

OKAY. OKAY.

IN THIS CASE, PLEASE, ALEX.

ALL RIGHT. SO OUR NEXT CASE IS CP 19 2022.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT FROM SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL.

THE EXISTING ZONING IS RURAL RESIDENTIAL.

EXISTING LAND USE IS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

THIS IS AN UNDEVELOPED PARCEL OF LAND THAT CONSISTS OF 6.177 ACRES.

AND IT IS ALL OF THE INFORMATION AND ANALYSIS IS IN YOUR STAFF REPORT AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

HE WOULD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, ALEX.

APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE.

PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM.

GOOD EVENING. I'M ROBIN HATTAWAY.

I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF KIM PRESENCA AND THE LAW FIRM OF LACEY LYONS, PRESENCA.

I AM JOINED TONIGHT BY RIC RENFROE, THE MANAGER OF TAC LLC, AND JIM TRAUGER, THE ENGINEER OF RECORD FROM TRAGER CONSULTING ENGINEERS.

SO. UM, WE'RE REQUESTING YOU HAVE TWO ITEMS ON YOUR AGENDA.

NUMBER SEVEN AND NUMBER EIGHT.

A PROJECT.

ON PALM BAY ROAD.

AND WE ARE LOOKING FOR A COMPREHENSIVE, SMALL SCAN, SMALL SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT CHANGING FROM SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL USE, AS WELL AS A ZONING CHANGE FROM RURAL RESIDENTIAL TO RESTRICTED COMMERCIAL.

THIS IS A 6.18 ACRE PARCEL.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF REASONS FOR THE CHANGE FROM RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL.

ONE, THE RESIDENTIAL WOULD REQUIRE A PUBLIC LIFT STATION.

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TO THAT EXTENT.

THE CITY'S COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT HAS ADVISED OF SEVERAL RESTAURANTS LOOKING FOR LOCATIONS ON THE PALM BAY ROAD CORRIDOR.

AND THIRDLY, THE POTENTIAL USES IN THE ARE ZONING INCLUDE AGRICULTURAL ACTIVITIES SUCH AS THE RAISING AND SALE OF HORSES, COWS, GOATS, CHICKENS, WHICH WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE HERE.

THUS WE HAVE A GREAT INFILL DEVELOPMENT PROJECT KNOWN AS EPLER PARK.

IT IS PROPOSED WITH THREE COMMERCIAL, RETAIL AND RESTAURANT BUILDINGS IN A SMALL COMMERCIAL VILLAGE SERVING LOCAL RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND COMPLEMENTING THE RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS.

I HAVE A HAND-OUT, IF I MAY.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CONCEPT PLAN, I'D ASK YOU TO PLEASE NOTE THAT WE ARE ONLY PROPOSING TO DEVELOP APPROXIMATELY TWO THIRDS OF THE ACREAGE. THERE'S A POTENTIAL FUTURE.

POTENTIAL FUTURE PHASE ON THE SOUTH END, THERE IS A LARGE NATURAL BUFFER TO THE WEST.

THE PROJECT CONTEMPLATES AN EIGHT FOOT CONCRETE WALL BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL USE AND THE RESIDENTIAL SURROUNDING IT.

IN ADDITION TO A 30 FOOT NATURAL BUFFER WITH 30 TO 40 FOOT PINE TREES AND A NEARLY 100 FOOT SETBACK FROM THE WEST PROPERTY LINE.

IF APPROVED, OUR NEXT STEPS WOULD BE A FORMAL SITE PLAN REQUIRING A TRAFFIC STUDY.

A METHODOLOGY LETTER HAS ALREADY BEEN SUBMITTED BY LTG ENGINEERING OFFSITE.

TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE DICTATED BY THE COUNTY, INCLUDING A TURN LANE FROM THE WEST, WHICH YOU SHOULD SEE ON YOUR CONCEPT PLAN.

ALL CITY CODE REQUIREMENTS WILL BE MET.

LIGHTING WILL NOT HAVE SPILLAGE ON OTHER PROPERTY.

NOISE STANDARDS WILL BE MET.

INCLUDING. IN THROUGH THE WALL, THE VEGETATION AND THE BUFFERS PREVIOUSLY DESCRIBED.

NO LEVELS OF SERVICE WILL BE DIMINISHED IN THE SURROUNDING AREAS, INCLUDING WATER AND SEWER, WHICH ARE AVAILABLE.

IN CONCLUSION, WE REQUEST APPROVAL OF THE.

ITEM NUMBER SEVEN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT FROM SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USE TO COMMERCIAL USE AND ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.

THE ZONING CHANGE.

FROM RURAL, RESIDENTIAL TO RESTRICTED COMMERCIAL STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.

WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND REQUEST TIME TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.

THANK YOU, LORD.

HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS.. HANNAWAY? JUST A QUICK COMMENT.

I WAS ABOUT TO GIVE A ROUND OF APPLAUSE WHEN I HEAR A COMMERCIAL COMING HERE IN THE CITY.

BUT JUST WANTED TO YOU MENTION A TRAFFIC STUDY WAS ALREADY DONE.

I THINK THE INITIAL LETTER HAS BEEN SUBMITTED.

YOU CAN DOUBLE CHECK. I BELIEVE THAT'S IN OUR NEXT STEPS.

THE TRAFFIC STUDY WILL COME WHEN WE SEND THE FORMAL SITE PLAN.

THAT WASN'T SURE. THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID.

HAVE YOU ALREADY DONE A COMMUNITY MEETING? OR WAS THIS A REQUIREMENT? NOT ON THIS. NOT THIS ONE.

FOLKS. JUST CONFIRMING.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MR. CHAIR, JUST ONE QUICK POINT OF CLARIFICATION.

PUBLIC MEETING, NOT NECESSARY BECAUSE IT'S A SMALL SCALE AS OPPOSED TO A LARGE SCALE MODIFICATION OR.

GOT YOU. I ALWAYS LIKE TO JUST ADD THAT CLARIFICATION BECAUSE EVERYBODY IS HEARING, WHY DIDN'T WE HAVE IT? NOW WE KNOW WHY WE DIDN'T HAVE IT. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT, MA'AM, IF I MAY ASK YOU, OF COURSE, YOU DON'T HAVE TENANTS YET, BUT CATEGORICALLY HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING TO GO INTO THESE THREE COMMERCIAL UNITS ON THIS PLOT.

WHAT'S IT GOING TO BRING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD? IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLAN, THERE ARE THREE BUILDINGS WITH I BELIEVE IT CONTEMPLATES FOUR DIFFERENT TENANTS.

THE IDEAS WOULD BE A COFFEE SHOP, A DRY CLEANER, THINGS TO COMPLEMENT THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.

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I'M JUST I DON'T LIKE THAT ROOF STREET CUT OUT OFF THE JUMP BECAUSE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT THE FOLKS ON ATHENS HAVE WITH JUST OVERALL PALM BAY ROAD TRAFFIC AND THE THINGS THAT THEY'VE TRIED TO DO TO MITIGATE THAT OVER THE YEARS, I HATE BOTH, BUT I MIGHT EVEN MAKE A BETTER POINT.

SO JUST HANG OUT.

I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND, THAT'S ALL.

I'M JUST I'M JUST CURIOUS WHY THAT PARTICULAR CUT OUTS THERE.

I'M GOING TO ASK.

THAT'S A LITTLE HARD TO DIRECTLY ANSWER THAT.

YEAH, GO AHEAD. EVENING.

MY NAME IS JIM TRAUGER, THE CIVIL ENGINEER ON THIS PROJECT.

WE'VE HAD A PRE-APPLICATION MEETING WITH CITY STAFF.

THAT WAS THE INTENT FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES.

WE SPOKE WITH FIRE.

THEY SAID IT'S NOT NEEDED.

THAT CAN ABSOLUTELY GO AWAY.

IF THAT'S THE WISHES OF THE RESIDENTS.

IT CAN ABSOLUTELY GO AWAY.

THE INTENT WAS TO TIE THIS IN, NOT NECESSARILY PARTICULARLY, BUT TO HAVE THE PEDESTRIAN WALK THROUGH.

WE FEEL THAT'S THE INTENT OF THIS BEING A RESTRICTED COMMERCIAL, THAT PEOPLE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD MIGHT WANT TO COME OVER AND USE SOME OF THE COMMERCIAL RATHER THAN TRYING TO CROSS PALM BAY ROAD TO THE NORTH SIDE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GOING TO DO THAT.

BUT JUST TO PROVIDE SOMETHING HERE.

LIKE YOU SAID, THIS IS A UNIQUE PIECE.

WE'VE SPOKEN WITH BREVARD COUNTY ALREADY.

THEY'RE IN SUPPORT OF A OF A CUT TO ACCESS THE ROAD HERE.

AND ACTUALLY, I BELIEVE PART OF THE RESTRICTED COMMERCIAL IS YOU CAN'T HAVE VEHICULAR ACCESS THROUGH A RESIDENTIAL ARTERIAL ROAD OR A LOCAL ROAD.

SO THE INTENT THERE, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE AT THIS SCALE.

IT WAS SCALED OUT OR EXCUSE ME, STRIPED OUT TO NOT BE A THRUWAY.

IT WAS JUST FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES.

BUT SINCE FIRE DOESN'T REALLY NEED IT, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT'S IT'S WANTED.

THAT CAN DEFINITELY GO AWAY.

AND IF THERE'S AN APPROVAL WITH THAT CONDITION, WE WOULD FULLY SUPPORT THAT.

OKAY. WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANT TO SAY I APPRECIATE THE OVERALL THEME OF AMIABILITY WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT THAT'S CERTAINLY RELIEVING TO HEAR THAT.

THE POINT IS, I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND, IS IT INTEGRAL INTO HOW THIS IS GOING TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY OR NOT? I'M HEARING LOUD AND CLEAR IT'S NOT IT'S GOING TO BE FOCUSED ON GETTING TRAFFIC IN AND OUT ON PALM BAY ROAD.

IF IF THE NEIGHBORS DESIRE AND IT FITS INTO YOUR DESIGN OF CREATING PEDESTRIAN PATHWAYS AND THINGS OF THE SORT.

SO FOOT TRAFFIC, I PERSONALLY RUN THROUGH THE AREA SO I DON'T KNOW, I MIGHT END UP IN THERE IF IT'S GOOD ENOUGH COFFEE THAT THAT MAKES A LITTLE MORE SENSE.

SO, SO I APPRECIATE YOU SHARING THAT JUST WHILE WE'RE SPEAKING AND FORGIVE ME IF IT'S ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED, BUT HOW TALL IS THE BUFFER THAT ABUTS TO EVERYBODY'S PROPERTY? AND WHAT IS IT? AN EIGHT FOOT SOLID WALL IS REQUIRED PER CODE AND THEN A 30 FOOT GREEN SPACE.

NO BUILDINGS, NO PARKING, NO DRIVEWAY, NOTHING.

OF COURSE, WE'LL WE'LL PRESERVE WHAT TREES WE CAN.

BUT YOU KNOW HOW BUILDING CODES ARE.

EVERYTHING TYPICALLY HAS TO COME UP.

THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WE'RE WE'RE LEAVING THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THIS PROPERTY ALONE.

THERE IS A WETLAND THERE.

WE WANT TO LEAVE THAT AREA ALONE.

SO THERE'S A VERY GOOD CHANCE THAT SOUTHERN PORTION MAY NEVER GET DEVELOPED.

BUT WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH POTENTIAL TENANTS.

WE'D LIKE TO TO DEFINITELY CREDIT THE ECONOMIC STAFF HERE AT THE CITY THAT HAS BEEN PUTTING US IN TOUCH.

THERE'S A DEFINITE NEED IN PALM BAY FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

WE'VE ALREADY BEEN CONTACTED MANY TIMES, AND WE'RE IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM AS WE SPEAK.

BUT YES, THERE'LL BE AN EIGHT FOOT WALL, WHATEVER MATURE TREES WE CAN PRESERVE, OBVIOUSLY, WHERE WE HAVE TO PUT FILL, THEY DON'T DO SO WELL.

BUT THEN THERE IS OTHER LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS, PERIMETER TREES, LANDSCAPE HEDGES, THAT SORT OF THING.

THAT WILL BE AN ADDITIONAL BUFFER AROUND THE PERIMETER WHERE THE RESIDENTIAL LOTS ARE.

YOU RECKON THE MATERIAL FOR THAT EIGHT FOOT WALL, IT WOULD BE BLOCK OR MASONRY? IT HAS TO BE. IT CAN'T BE A FENCE.

GOTCHA. OKAY.

THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT CLARIFICATION, SIR.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

THAT'S ALL I HAD. I'M NOT TO JUMP AROUND.

IF ANYONE ELSE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER, BUT OTHER.

HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AND NOW. THANK YOU, SIR.

OKAY, GREAT. I'D JUST LIKE TO RESERVE SOME TIME, MAYBE AT THE END, TO CLEAR ANYTHING UP THE RESIDENCE.

OKAY. THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY.

AT THIS POINT, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS APPLICATION? OPPOSED, MA'AM. THE LADY IN THE BLUE JACKET.

GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN.

BOARD. MY NAME IS JACKIE CULLEN.

MY ADDRESS IS 13 ZERO ONE PROSPECT CIRCLE.

YOU KNOW, WHEN FOLKS SEE A PICTURE, THEY DON'T REALLY QUITE UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT.

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ATHENS WE HAD TO FIGHT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TRAFFIC DIDN'T GO THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WE WERE SO BLESSED THAT THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY PROTECTED OUR CHILDREN BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WAS HAPPENING.

AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, YOU REALLY DON'T LOOK AT THE RIGHT PICTURE.

THE TRAFFIC ON PALM BAY ROAD IS YOU ALL KNOW IT'S HORRIBLE.

I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE COMING OUT OF ATHENS AND THEN IMMEDIATELY TRY TO GET WITH THE TRAFFIC ON PALM BAY ROAD AND IMMEDIATELY HIT THE BRAKES BECAUSE ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW WE'RE DEALING WITH SOMEONE GOING INTO THAT INTO THAT PROPERTY.

THIS IS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

SO YOU CAN GET A BETTER IDEA DURING COVID.

WE ALL KNOW EACH OTHER.

WE THIS IS A COMMUNITY THAT WE WALK OUR DOGS, THAT WE LOOK OUT FOR OUR SENIORS.

THIS IS JUST NOT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS PEOPLE'S LIVES.

I HAD MY AUNTIE WHO ABUTS THE BACK, WHO SAID.

WHAT HAPPENS? I CAN'T EVEN MOVE.

I CAN'T EVEN AFFORD TO MOVE.

WE'RE A DIVERSE COMMUNITY.

IN ORDER FOR FOLKS TO TRY TO COME INTO THAT AREA THAT HAVE TO GO AHEAD AND COME IN THROUGH EMERSON.

AND SO I LIVE RIGHT THERE ON PROSPECT.

THAT'S THE STREET THAT YOU SEE RIGHT THERE AND THE ENTRANCE.

THAT WAS AN EXCELLENT QUESTION WHEN MR. RANDALL ASKED, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT AN ENTRANCE TO A RESIDENTIAL AREA.

WE WANT TO KEEP IT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

AS A FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER OF PALM BAY, AS A FORMER COUNTY COMMISSIONER, I FIND IT VERY HARD TO BELIEVE THAT BREVARD COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PALM BAY ROAD AND THAT LEVEL OF TRAFFIC BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO IN REGARDS TO THE STOP AND GO.

SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS NOT JUST BECAUSE OF OUR HOME AND HOW IT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF OUR CHILDREN WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE. RIGHT NOW, WE OUR CHILDREN PLAY IN THE STREETS, BUT THEY ALSO PLAY IN THE BACK YARD.

PALM BAY POLICE WILL TELL YOU VERY CLEARLY OF WHAT HAPPENS WITH FOLKS WHO COME OUT OF I-95 TO TO TO DO ILL ON PALM BAY ROAD. THEY COME IN AND AND FOLKS THAT DO NOT EVEN LIVE IN OUR BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY AND THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN.

SO THEY CANNOT TELL US EXACTLY WHO IS GOING TO BE PARKING THERE.

AND IF THIS WAS YOUR HOME, CAN YOU IMAGINE THE FEAR THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW? A LOT OF OUR SENIORS, TOO, THAT LIVE IN THAT AREA WANT IT TO BE HERE, BUT THEY CAN'T EVEN DRIVE AT NIGHT.

SO THEY'RE PETRIFIED TO EVEN IMAGINE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

AND THIS IS REALISTIC.

I'M NOT TRYING TO PICTURE SOMETHING AND A FEAR FACTOR.

I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU FOLKS HAVE WALKED THIS AREA OR KNOW THE AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

BUT WHEN YOU SAY PALM BAY ROAD, EVERYBODY THINKS IMMEDIATELY COMMERCIAL.

BUT IF YOU REALLY LOOK AT THAT, THAT IS ATHENS AND THAT'S COMMERCIAL.

THAT'S A SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, THE WHOLE THING.

WE MOVED THERE BECAUSE THAT PROPERTY WAS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

THAT'S WHY WE MOVE THERE.

WE WILL PROTECT IT FROM ONE ANOTHER.

SO I WOULD HUMBLY ASK TO PLEASE PROTECT US, TO PLEASE KEEP IT SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

ONCE YOU OPEN THIS PANDORA'S BOX, IT CANNOT BE SHUT.

WE ALL KNOW THAT. EVERY SINGLE PERSON HERE KNOWS THAT.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. OKAY.

THANK YOU, BILL.

YOU HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS.

BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST.

AS EVERYONE WHO KNOWS ME, I'M A BIG BELIEVER IN RURAL RESIDENTIAL LAND.

THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE.

PEOPLE HAVE A MISCONCEPTION THAT WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS RURAL RESIDENTIAL LAND THAT THEY'RE THINKING RANCHING AND FARMING.

RURAL RESIDENTIAL IS JUST ONE HOUSE PER ACRE.

IT'S NOT LIKE THE GENERAL USE LAND MASS, WHICH IS ONE HOUSE PER FIVE ACRES.

RURAL RR IS JUST ONE HOUSE PER ACRE.

THAT'S ALL THAT IS. IT'S SOMEBODY HAS A MISCONCEPTION.

SO PEOPLE NOW HAVE TO BUY FOR LOTS IN ORDER TO HAVE THE EQUIVALENT OF ONE RURAL RESIDENTIAL SITE.

BUT EVERYBODY SEEMS TO THINK THAT RURAL RESIDENTIAL MEANS FARMING, RANCHING AND CATTLE.

IT JUST MEANS ONE ACRE HOUSE SITES, WHICH IS A VERY NICE, VERY EXPENSIVE HOME SITE.

THAT'S ALL THAT IS.

SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THAT'S WHAT THAT QUICK MISCONCEPTION IS.

GENERAL USE HOLDING IS WHAT IS YOUR AGRICULTURE? THAT'S WHERE YOU HAVE TO HAVE ONE HOUSE PER FIVE ACRES.

SO THAT'S THE REAL ONE. BUT PEOPLE DON'T ASSOCIATE, THEY SAY GENERAL USE.

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BUT THAT'S YOUR BIGGEST LAND MASS FOR HOUSING.

BUT THE REASON WHY I AM IN FAVOR OF GIVING UP THIS LITTLE BIT OF RURAL RESIDENTIAL LAND, EVEN THOUGH WE ONLY HAVE 1% OF THE ENTIRE LAND MASS IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY IS CURRENTLY ZONED RURAL RESIDENTIAL.

THIS ONE PLACE LOCATION FOR THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO PUT A BARRIER BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE COMMERCIAL. THEY'RE GOING TO PUT A BARRIER THAT WILL NOT ALLOW CROSS TRAFFIC.

SO THAT TO ME IS ONE REASON AND IT WILL BE A COMMERCIAL COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.

THAT IS WHY IN THIS ONE INSTANCE, I'M IN FAVOR OF LOSING A LITTLE BIT OF RURAL RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY FOR COMMERCIAL.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, BILL.

GENTLEMAN BACK THERE IN A BLUE SHIRT OR BLACK SHIRT.

GOOD EVENING, RAYMOND FELICIANO.

401 HARWOOD STREET, NORTHEAST.

I LIVED RIGHT ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THAT PROPOSED PROPERTY.

SOME OF OUR CONCERN, MYSELF AND SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS IN THAT AREA ALONE, IS THE NOISE.

THAT'S ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS IS THE NOISE.

I WAS LIVED THERE FOR 14 YEARS NOW.

I REMEMBER WHEN THEY WHEN THEY WIDENED THE PALM BAY ROAD.

AT THAT TIME, WE HAD A MEETING WITH THE WITH THE PEOPLE THAT LIVED ALONG PALM BAY ROAD, AND THEY TOLD US ABOUT THE BUFFER AND THEY TOLD US ABOUT LANDSCAPE.

AND THEY TOLD US ABOUT IT'S GOING TO CUT DOWN THE THE THE NOISE AND THE SOUND.

WELL, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER, YOU HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC THERE AND WE HEAR THAT.

SO IF YOU CLEAR THIS AREA HERE, YOU'RE JUST OPENING THAT UP.

AN EIGHT FOOT WALL IS NOT GOING TO COVER THAT MUCH NOISE.

I ALREADY HAVE A SIX FOOT FENCE.

THERE'S VEGETATION ON BOTH SIDES.

IT DOESN'T CUT DOWN THE NOISE JUST HAVING BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN EIGHT FOOT WALL IS TWO FEET ABOVE AND THEN YOU PUT SOME TREES THERE WHILE TREES GROW.

IT'S NOT GOING TO CUT ANY OF THE NOISE.

SOME OF OUR OTHER CONCERNS IS THE FACT THAT IT'S GOING TO BE.

PRETTY MUCH EXPOSING OR INTRUDING ON OUR PRIVACY BECAUSE IT'S AROUND 17 UNITS BACK YARD THAT ARE ALONG THAT PROPERTY.

THEY SAID THAT THEY'RE GOING TO ONLY DEVELOP TWO THIRDS OF THE PROPERTY WHILE THE OTHER THIRD IS OPEN.

IT'S STILL EXPOSED.

THAT EIGHT FOOT WALL IS EASY TO JUMP AND THE LANDSCAPE IS NOT GOING TO DO MUCH TO IT.

ONE OF THE THINGS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THERE MAY BE THREE FACILITIES, THREE BUILDINGS THERE.

WHAT TYPE OF WHAT TYPE OF BUSINESSES ARE GOING TO BE THERE? IS IT GOING TO BE DEED RESTRICTED? IS IT GOING TO BE A LIQUOR STORE, A GAMING PLACE OR A.

A CONVENIENCE STORE OR GAS STATION OR CBD STORE.

SO THAT'S SOME OF THE THINGS THAT MS..

CULLEN BROUGHT UP A LOT THAT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS ALL SINGLE RESIDENCE, SINGLE RESIDENTIAL HOMES.

EVERY MORNING WHERE I LIVE, I SEE AT LEAST FIVE OF MY NEIGHBORS, SENIOR CITIZENS THAT DO TO THE LOOP, AND THEY WALK EVERY DAY AND WE ALL WAVE TO EACH OTHER.

SOME PAIR UP AND WALK AGAIN WHEN THEY PLAN A ROUTE.

STREET WAS OUR MAIN CONCERN.

WAS THAT GOING TO BE AN OPEN AREA, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S FOR TRAFFIC OR WHETHER OR NOT IT'S FOR WALKING.

NOW IT'S A SHORTCUT BETWEEN PALM BAY ROAD AND ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO GET TO EMERSON, AND IT'S GOING TO CREATE MORE TRAFFIC.

WHEN THERE WAS AN EMPTY LOT NEXT TO ME, THERE WAS TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH, JUST PEOPLE CUTTING THROUGH.

AND IT WASN'T PEOPLE THAT LIVED IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT WAS PEOPLE THAT LIVE FURTHER DOWN EMERSON.

SOME OF THE OTHER CONCERNS WERE WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS GOING TO BE SEPTIC OR SEWAGE.

IF THERE IS A BUSINESS THERE, IF IT IS COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.

THE TRAFFIC ON PALM BAY ROAD GOING INTO THERE JUST LIKE HIM IS BROUGHT UP ABOUT.

IF YOU'RE TURNING OFF EAST ON ATHENS, FROM ATHENS TO PALM BAY ROAD, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TRAFFIC STOP THERE.

I'M ALREADY ALONG THE FENCE THERE ON PALM BAY ROAD.

AND I WHEN I START HEARING CARS SCREECHING OR CAR SKIDDING, I WAIT FOR THE SOUND AT THE END OF IT, WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS A COLLISION OR WHETHER OR NOT THEY STOPPED IN TIME.

AND THAT'S KIND OF A JOKE WITH ME AND MY KIDS AS I LISTEN FOR IT, WAIT FOR THE BOOM AND STUFF.

I'VE GOT TWO GRANDDAUGHTERS NOW AND THEY COME OVER DURING THE SUMMER AND I DON'T WANT TO BE WORRIED ABOUT SOMEBODY ON A AN A BUILDING COMMERCIAL BUILDING NEXT TO ME THAT'S KEEPING AN EYE ON THEM.

THERE IS NO NEED FOR THE ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL.

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THERE'S A CLEANERS THERE, THERE'S A COFFEE SHOP THERE.

THERE'S ENOUGH FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS AND THERE'S ENOUGH RESTAURANTS RIGHT THERE.

THERE'S NO NEED TO HAVE IT ON OUR SIDE OF THE ROAD.

UM. AND FINISH UP HERE REAL QUICK.

WHEREAS. OKAY.

LIKE I SAID.

EVERYBODY THAT BUTTS AGAINST THAT PROPERTY, IT'S THEIR BACKYARD.

IF YOU DO EVEN TWO THIRDS OF THE PROPERTY, THAT'S AT LEAST 12 HOUSES, IT'S 17 TOTAL.

WHAT I LISTEN TO TODAY, SINCE WE'VE GOTTEN HERE THIS EVENING, WAS EVERYONE TURNING COMMERCIAL PROPERTY INTO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, TALKING ABOUT SINGLE FAMILY LIVING, TALKING ABOUT MAKING A PLACE TO TO BRING UP YOUR KIDS, BRING UP YOUR GRANDKIDS.

HERE WE ARE IN A PLACE NOW WHERE WE'RE TALKING.

WE WANT TO TAKE THAT AWAY AND WE WANT TO PUT A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY NOT ONLY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT LITERALLY IN OUR BACKYARDS.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. FELICIANO.

OH, YES, SIR.

HI. GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS TYLER WATERSON.

I LIVE AT 1369.

PROSPECT CIRCLE NORTHEAST.

OBVIOUSLY HERE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION.

I HAVE A COUPLE FACTS I WANT TO SHARE.

FIRST, SO PROPERTY IS SIX ACRES.

IT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S A PRETTY NARROW RECTANGLE.

LIKE SOMEONE ELSE SAID, THERE'S 17 HOUSES THAT DIRECTLY ABUT THE PROPERTY WITH THEIR BACKYARDS FACING.

SO THE CURRENT ROAD ACCESS IS JUST THAT ROUTE STREET.

IT SOUNDS LIKE THE DEVELOPER IS WILLING TO FOREGO USING THAT.

I THINK THAT SHOULD DEFINITELY BE A CONDITION.

SO THE ROAD THROUGH RUSH STREET, THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS.

I MEAN, IT'S A IT'S A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

YOU GOT KIDS WALKING TO SCHOOL.

THERE'S THERE'S TWO SCHOOLS WITHIN THE SURROUNDING ONE AND A QUARTER MILE RADIUS AROUND.

CURRENTLY ONE ROCKMORE AND THEN A NEW ONE COMING UP, PINEAPPLE COVE.

THAT'S GOING TO BE STARTING NEXT YEAR.

YOU'VE GOT KIDS OUT PLAYING BASKETBALL.

I MEAN, YOU GUYS GET IT, RIGHT? IT'S A IT'S A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

MY MAIN CONCERNS HERE STEM AROUND THREE THINGS.

FIRSTLY, PRIVACY CONCERNS.

SO EVERYONE'S TALKING ABOUT THIS WALL, RIGHT? I'M ALLOWED TO DO A SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE.

THE WALL IS EIGHT FEET THAT THEY HAVE TO BUILD AND IT HAS TO BE CONCRETE MASONRY.

BUT THEY CAN BUILD A 25 FOOT TALL STRUCTURE ON THAT PROPERTY, AND THAT'S NOT EVEN INCLUDING ANY RAISE IN ELEVATION.

AGAIN. YOU GOT THAT? PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS.

PEOPLE GOT POOLS. WHO WANTS TO WAVE? WAVE AT THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING AS YOU'RE CHILLING IN YOUR POOL.

RIGHT. NO ONE WANTS THAT.

SECONDLY, NOISE AND SMELL PROPAGATION.

I MEAN, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT RESTAURANTS.

WHO WANTS A STINKY RESTAURANT RIGHT IN THEIR BACKYARD? RIGHT. AND THERE'LL ALSO BE NOTHING STOPPING THESE THIS COMMERCIAL BUSINESS FROM PUTTING A DUMPSTER RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OR AROUND THE OTHER SIDE OF MY FENCE.

THIRDLY, YOU KNOW, THE SAFETY CONCERNS, WHICH I ALREADY KIND OF TALKED ABOUT.

YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE KIDS AROUND WALKING TO SCHOOL, PLAYING IN THE STREET.

YOU'VE GOT ALL OF THAT ALONG WITH SAFETY CONCERNS WITH PEOPLE COMING OFF I-95 TO VISIT THESE RESTAURANTS.

THIS IS SANDWICHED RIGHT BETWEEN TWO RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.

SO I GUESS IN CLOSING HERE, I URGE THE BOARD TO SEEK RESOLUTIONS TO THESE PROBLEMS PRIOR TO RECOMMENDING THIS AMENDMENT FOR APPROVAL.

EVERYONE, INCLUDING MYSELF, BEFORE I PURCHASED, I KNEW THAT I HAD A RESIDENTIAL ZONE PROPERTY DIRECTLY BEHIND ME AND THAT IF THAT WERE EVER DEVELOPED, IT WOULD BE HOUSES, NOT BUSINESSES.

THANK YOU. AM.

DENISE BETTERS 1356 PROSPECT CIRCLE NORTHEAST.

SO I'M BASING THE TREES IN THE ACTUAL PROPERTY, BUT ALONG WITH ALL THEIR CONCERNS, OF COURSE, I DON'T BACK UP AGAINST THE FENCE, WHICH I WOULD BE VERY UPSET ABOUT. I'VE LIVED HERE FOR EXACTLY A YEAR.

I RESEARCHED THAT PROPERTY AND I LEARNED THAT IT WAS FOR RESIDENTIAL, RESIDENTIAL ONLY.

SO THAT MADE ME YES, WE WILL BUY HERE.

WE'RE VERY HAPPY.

THERE'S OTHER LOTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE AND PEOPLE SEE THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WANT TO BUILD A HOUSE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD EITHER.

SO MY BIGGEST CONCERNS WE HAVE ON ATHENS, ONE WAY TO TURN, WE CAN ONLY TURN RIGHT TO GET OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD OR WE CAN GO THE OTHER

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WELL, I GUESS WE CAN MAKE A LEFT, BUT WE CAN'T TURN INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

SO WE'RE VERY LIMITED ON GETTING IN AND OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

IF YOU TURN LEFT ON FROM PALM BAY ROAD ONTO ATHENS.

IT'S U TURN CENTRAL.

YOU TURN, YOU TURN, YOU TURN.

ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE MAKING U-TURNS.

IT'S ALREADY HARD TO GET INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO THAT CONCERNS ME IS ALL THE ACCIDENTS THAT HAPPEN THERE BECAUSE OF THE CONSTANT U-TURNS AND WHEN I WANT TO GET THE ONE WAY OUT OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS FROM ATHENS. I'M GOING TO BE HAVING TO WAIT FOR ALL THESE CARS THAT ARE BUMPER TO BUMPER STOPPING BECAUSE SOMEONE WANTS TO MAKE A QUICK TURN IN TO GET INTO A COFFEE SHOP WHEN THERE'S COFFEE SHOPS ACROSS THE STREET.

SO I'M JUST SAYING, OF COURSE, WITH THEIR CONCERNS, THEY LIVE.

BUT TO IT, MY CONCERN IS, IS TRAFFIC AND THE PROPERTY VALUES GOING DOWN BECAUSE WE'RE ALL WHEN I WALK OUT MY DOOR, I'M GOING TO SEE I SEE APPLEBEE'S.

WHAT AM I GOING TO SEE? AND THE SMELL OF GREASE TRAPS.

IF YOU'VE EVER SMELLED A GREASE TRAP OR A GREASY GARBAGE CAN.

IT'S HORRIBLE.

FLIES ARE HORRIBLE IN PALM BAY.

SO IF YOU COULD PLEASE KEEP IT ACROSS THE STREET AND LET US HAVE OUR LITTLE COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

MISS FETTERS, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO HAS A DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW RATHER THAN THE SAME ISSUES WE'VE HEARD, MA'AM? HI. I'VE LIVED HERE FOR 21 YEARS.

YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? OH, SORRY.

I HEAR YOU TELL EVERYBODY THAT MY NAME IS ROSEMARY D'AGOSTINO.

AND I LIVE AT 1350 WILSHIRE AVENUE, WHICH IS RIGHT THERE.

I'M THE THIRD HOUSE WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO PUT THIS WALL.

RIGHT NOW I HAVE WOODS IN THE BACK OF MY HOUSE.

I'M ONLY ABOUT IN THE BACK OF MY HOUSE.

I'M PROBABLY MAYBE 15, 20 FEET FROM THEIR PROPERTY LINE.

WHEN THEY CUT DOWN THOSE TREES AND THEY PUT THAT WALL UP, THAT WALL IS GOING TO BE RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE BACK OF MY HOUSE.

AND MY BACK OF MY HOUSE IS ALL GLASS.

I MOVED DOWN HERE TO FLORIDA FROM MARYLAND.

NUMBER ONE, I LOVE THE HEAT.

AND NUMBER TWO, I LOVE MY HOUSE.

AND WE'RE ALL SENIORS.

MOST OF US ARE SENIORS.

YOU KNOW, FOR THIS ONE TIME IN MY LIFE, I TELL YOU HOW OLD I AM.

YOU PROBABLY ALREADY KNOW I'M 80 YEARS OLD.

I DID NOT MOVE INTO A HOUSE TO LOOK AT A WALL FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE, WHICH DOCTOR TELLS ME I WON'T LIVE UNTIL I'M 96.

THE OTHER THING IS THAT PROPERTY FLOODS TERRIBLE WHEN WE HAVE RAIN.

MY HOUSE IS BUILT UP.

MOST OF THE HOUSES ON MY SIDE OF THE STREET ARE BUILT UP.

WE'RE ABOVE THAT LINE.

BUT WHEN WE HAVE RAIN LIKE FRANCES AND WHAT WAS IT? HURRICANE FRANCES. JEANNE.

THERE MUST BE FOUR FEET OF WATER BACK THERE.

I KNOW, BECAUSE MY DAUGHTER'S DOGS LOVE IT.

THEY SWIM IN IT AND THEY HAVE A GREAT TIME.

SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY TAKE OVER THIS PROPERTY AND THEY PUT THIS WALL THERE? AND THEY START PUTTING A RESTAURANT, WHICH I SAID, WE DON'T NEED THAT.

WE HAVE ALL THAT PROPERTY ACROSS THE ROAD.

WHEN I MOVED HERE, IT WAS A COW FARM OR WHATEVER, AND NOW IT'S SIX LANES AND IT WAS TWO.

SO WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN THEY PUT ALL THAT RESTAURANT OR WHATEVER THEY'RE GOING TO PUT BACK THERE WITH THAT BIG WALL? WHERE'S ALL THAT WATER GOING TO GO? IT'S GOING TO COME UP ON MY PROPERTY.

I'LL TELL YOU, I DON'T CARE HOW MUCH DREDGING THEY DO, IT'S GOING TO COST A LOT OF MONEY TO DO THAT, TO DRAIN THAT PLACE OUT THERE.

I JUST DON'T DO THIS.

PLEASE. THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.

WE'RE ALL FAMILIES.

WE DON'T WE DON'T NEED A RESTAURANT.

I'VE GOT FIVE OR SIX RESTAURANTS OVER ACROSS THE STREET IF I WANT TO GO.

AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF COFFEE SHOPS AROUND AND I DRINK A LOT OF COFFEE.

I MAKE MY OWN. I DON'T NEED A COFFEE SHOP.

THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. MA'AM.

AGAIN? NO, NOT YOU.

THE LADY IN THE BLACK POLKA DOTS.

MY NAME IS GENE GURNEY.

I LIVE AGAINST THE MICROPHONE.

MY NAME IS JEAN GURNEY AND I LIVE AT 1351.

WELL, SIR AVENUE.

I'M VERY DISHEARTENED ABOUT THIS WHOLE SITUATION WHEN WE RECEIVED THE LETTER INDICATING WHAT WAS GOING TO GO UP IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF THE PALM BAY FOR OVER 33 YEARS.

I'VE BEEN IN THIS AREA FOR ALMOST EIGHT.

AND THERE'S NO DISRESPECT TO THE DEVELOPERS THAT WANT TO DO THIS, HOWEVER.

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THEY SEE. PROGRESS FOR THEM.

BUT IF IT WAS THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEIR PLOT OF LAND, THEY THINK TWICE BEFORE THEY WOULD ERECT ERECT A THING LIKE THIS.

WE ARE A FAMILY OF NEIGHBORS.

WE KNOW EACH OTHER.

WE KNOW WHEN WE'RE SICK.

WE KNOW WHEN WE'RE WELL.

WE KNOW WHEN TO SAY HELLO.

WE KNOW WHEN TO SAY GOODBYE.

THIS IS JUST THE START.

OF THIS PARCEL OF THIS PHASE.

BECAUSE ONCE THIS CAN OF WORM IS OPENED AND THIS PROJECT GETS UNDERWAY, THERE WILL BE ANOTHER PHASE.

THAT'S HOW IT GOES.

AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE BACK HERE AGAIN.

BUT THEN IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK BECAUSE WE HOPEFULLY NOT WE THE PEOPLE.

BUT THE DEVELOPERS HAVE ALREADY STARTED SOMETHING THAT'S NOT GOING TO STOP.

AND WE HAVE A RIGHT AS THE NEIGHBORS AND AS CITIZENS OF THIS CITY.

TO PLACE OUR FEELINGS AND OUR HEART AND OUR DEDICATION TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

TO STOP THIS.

AND I HOPE YOU COULD REALLY LISTEN TO US.

AND HERE I'LL PLAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. DOES ANYONE HAVE AN ISSUE THAT WE HAVEN'T HEARD? AM.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MARY GOMEZ AND I LIVE IN 1387 PROSPECT CIRCLE.

AND THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT, IT'S RIGHT BEHIND MY HOUSE.

SO IF MY DAUGHTER.

SHE'S TEN YEARS OLD AND SHE WANTS TO GO AND PLAY IN THE BACKYARD.

THEN I'M GOING TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT.

I KNOW YOU GUYS SAID THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD A WALL, BUT THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE ENOUGH BECAUSE I HAVE SEEN THE CHANGES.

I'VE BEEN IN PROSPER CIRCLE FOR 14 YEARS AND I'VE SEEN THE CHANGES ON THE TRAFFIC PEOPLE COMING INTO OUR BACKYARD FROM ACROSS THE STREET. AND IF THAT HAPPENED RIGHT NOW, THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THIS BUILDING WHEN I HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE TRAFFIC, THE PEOPLE, THE NOISE, THE TRASH FROM THIS COMMERCIAL.

SO WE WANT TO KEEP IT AS IT IS AS THE FAMILY.

BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE ARE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE WE KNOW EACH OTHER.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE.

WE ARE A FAMILY.

WE ARE FRIENDS WITH EACH OTHER.

AND AS SOON AS THIS BUILDING COMES, WE'RE GOING TO LOSE THAT, BECAUSE NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH MORE TRAFFIC AND MORE PEOPLE STRANGER COMING INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE ALREADY HAVE THE SHOPPING PLAZA NEXT DOOR ACROSS THE STREET THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE TRAFFIC IN THE NOISE.

WE ALSO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE LIGHT.

AND THAT'S ANOTHER THING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH WHEN THEY BUILD THIS.

BUSINESS. WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH LIGHTS.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF BUSINESS THEY'RE GOING TO.

CREATE LATER ON.

RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE PROPOSING A RESTAURANT, BUT LATER ON THAT CAN CHANGE.

ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE A DISCO? ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE A BAR? WE DON'T KNOW. BUT THAT IS THAT COULD HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE.

AND WE DON'T WANT THAT.

WE WANT TO KEEP OUR FAMILY HOME SAFE AND WITHOUT ALL OF THAT EXTRA.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. SIR, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO ADD? YEAH. PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM.

BUT EVENING. MY NAME IS DAVID EGGERS.

I LIVE IN 4011, HARWOOD.

SO I'M VERY CLOSE TO WHERE IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I GUESS NOBODY THOUGHT IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, YES, THEY'RE GOING TO DO A BUSINESS.

BUT I THINK THEY'RE BEING SELFISH BECAUSE THEY THINK I'M ON THEM ONLY BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE MONEY OVER THERE.

BUT OUR HOUSE IS GOING TO THE PRICE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? NO ONE'S GOING TO NO ONE WANTS TO LIVE THERE ANYMORE OR EVEN BUY A HOUSE CLOSE TO A, YOU KNOW, PLAZA OR SOMETHING.

SO WHAT I'M THINKING IS GOING TO HAPPEN IS LIKE, IF THAT HAPPENS, IT'S GOING TO DESTROY OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

EVERYBODY'S KIND OF LIVE FROM THERE.

AND THEN IT'S KIND OF WE'RE GOING TO BE SELLING OUR HOUSES LIKE.

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THE OTHER THING I WANT, I WANT I JUST WANT TO SHARE IT LIKE.

THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO CONTROL WHO'S COMING TO THOSE BASES IN OUR BACKYARD.

SO HOW DO WE KNOW WHO IS COMING TO THOSE BUSINESS AND THEN ACTUALLY GETTING CLOSE TO OUR TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD OR MAYBE GETTING THROUGH THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO GET INTO THE BUSINESS.

SO THIS IS A REALLY HARD TO TO BELIEVE IF THAT HAPPENED, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T BELIEVE LIVING THERE AND HAVING MY KIDS THERE.

I'M ACTUALLY THE NEWER NEIGHBOR AND THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

I DECIDE TO BUILD A HOUSE FOUR YEARS AGO JUST BECAUSE IT WAS A NICE, QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD.

BUT IT'S ABOUT TO CHANGE.

SO I JUST WANT TO SHARE THAT.

THANK YOU, SIR. THERE ARE ANYONE ELSE WHO HAS SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO ADD.

MISS HATHAWAY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND, PLEASE? I HAVE TAKEN COPIOUS NOTES ON ALL THE RESIDENTS CONCERNS.

I DID WANT TO ASK OUR ENGINEER TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE WATER DRAINAGE ISSUES OR IF YOU'RE PREPARED.

I DO THINK I HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT TONIGHT.

AND CAN. AND.

YEAH. AS FAR AS THE DRAINAGE GOES.

YEAH. I MEAN, THIS IS THE LAST PIECE TO GET.

IT'S THE LOWEST.

SO THE DRAINAGE GOES THAT WAY.

YOU KNOW, THE CITY CODE REQUIRES US TO MEET CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS.

WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, BREVARD COUNTY.

SINCE WE ARE TYING OFF THAT, THEY HAVE VERY STRICT REQUIREMENTS.

THIS IS GOING TO IMPROVE THE DRAINAGE IN THE AREA.

WE WILL PROBABLY BE TAKING ON SOME OF THE WATER AND TREATING SOME OF THE WATER FROM THE NEIGHBORS.

BUT ARE DRAINING ONTO THE SITE JUST BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN THERE A LITTLE BIT LONGER.

IT'S THE WOODS. THAT'S JUST HOW I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A LONG TIME.

YOU'RE THE LAST ONE TO GET DEVELOPED ON THE BLOCK.

YOU HAVE STRANGERS, THAT'S ALL GOING TO BE ADDRESSED WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT.

AND I THINK YOU SEE SOME OF THAT CONTEMPLATED IN THE PLAN WE GAVE YOU.

HOW TO GET OUT OF THAT.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS? HOW DO WE KNOW, SIR? WE WOULD REQUEST APPROVAL FOR OUR TWO ITEMS. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. AT THIS POINT, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR A MOTION.

A MOTION TO APPROVE CP DASH 19, DASH 2022 AND JUST THE CP Z DASH 19 ONE AT A TIME.

A MOTION TO APPROVE CP 19 2022.

WOULD YOU ADD THE REQUIREMENT THAT THEY ELIMINATE THE CONNECTION TO BRUCE ST ABSOLUTELY.

WITH THE REQUIREMENT THAT THE CONNECTION OR EXIT TO ROOT OUR STREETS BE TERMINATED.

REMOVED. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM K.

I CAN SECOND FROM DAWN.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YES. UH, FOR ME, I MEAN, AS EVERYBODY KNOWS ON THIS BOARD, I'M ALL ABOUT COMMERCIAL. AND USUALLY WHENEVER I SEE A COMMERCIAL PROJECT COME ACROSS TO COME ACROSS THE DESK, IT'S IT'S I FEEL AS THOUGH IT'S USUALLY A GOOD THING.

AND I KNOW I KNOW THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I WISH WE HAD A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WAS REALLY GOING TO GO IN THERE AND WHAT THE WHAT THE WHAT THE WHAT THE TRUE PROPOSAL OF ALL THREE BUILDINGS WERE REALLY GOING TO BE.

AND FOR ME, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A LAST CASE IT GOES TO.

IT KIND OF TAKES ME BACK TO THE INTENT OF THE PURCHASE.

I MEAN, WHEN YOU WHEN YOU PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, IT WAS ZONED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

AND AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, ME, I, I LOVE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES AND I LOVE BUT BECAUSE OF THE, THE DEMOGRAPHICS AND THE HOW THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS POSITIONED.

I CAN'T SUPPORT IT SIMPLY BECAUSE I JUST DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT'S A GOOD FIT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND I AND AGAIN, I JUST I KIND OF WISH WE HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE PERTINENT INFORMATION TO TO TO TO BE ABLE TO DECIPHER WHAT WILL GO IN THERE, WHAT WE COULD POSSIBLY DO TO MAKE IT WORK FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WORK WITHIN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

BUT WITH THE INFORMATION THAT I AM THAT I HAVE BEFORE ME, I JUST CAN'T MAKE THAT CAN'T MAKE A.

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SO FOR ME, I CAN'T SUPPORT IT AND ANY OTHER ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

I AGREE WITH THOSE COMMENTS THAT WERE SAID.

I FEEL THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND I FEEL THERE'S PLENTY OF COMMERCIAL ACROSS THE STREET.

THAT'S MY THOUGHTS. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? WELL, I JUST WANT TO QUICKLY ADD THAT THE COMMERCIAL ACROSS THE STREET IS ACTUALLY OWNED BY THE CITY OF WEST MELBOURNE, SO PALM BAY DOESN'T GET ANY BENEFIT FROM THAT.

THAT'S 100% WEST MELBOURNE.

AND WE ANNEXED THAT AREA THEN.

YES, BUT SO WE DON'T HAVE TO.

NOW, I'M JUST MAKING A POINT, MA'AM.

SO. SO JUST DO NOT SPEAK OUT.

SO WHEN WE SAY WE HAVE PLENTY OF COMMERCIAL, THAT'S OUR RESIDENTS GOING TO CITY OF PALM BAY TO SUPPORT THE CITY OF WEST MELBOURNE.

I COULDN'T AGREE MORE.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? RANDALL YEAH, BRIEFLY, MR. CHAIR, I'D JUST LIKE TO EMPHASIZE TO THE APPLICANT THE DESIRE OF MYSELF.

I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE BOARD, BUT JUST MYSELF TO CONTINUE THE AMIABILITY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

IF THIS DOES END UP CARRYING FORWARD AND AS I ALLUDED TO EARLIER, NO MATTER WHAT WE END UP DOING, THIS WILL CARRY FORWARD TO COUNCIL.

SO REGARDLESS OF WHATEVER COUNCIL'S DECISION IS AND HOW THE PROJECT GOES FORTH, I JUST WANT TO SEE THAT THE APPLICANT FOCUSES IN ON ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHAT CAN HAVE THE LEAST NEGATIVE IMPACT FOR THEM IN THE MOST POSITIVE IMPACT.

AND I THINK THAT JUST WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THIS SIMPLE BOARD MEETING, WERE WE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT THAT THAT STREET CONCEPTUALLY, WHEN IT WAS SIMPLY A MAP AND AND SOMEONE TRYING TO DEVELOP THE BEST USE OF SPACE SEEMED LIKE A REALLY GOOD IDEA THROUGH THIS DEMOCRATIC PROCESS, AS I LIKE TO REFER TO IT, WE VERY EASILY REALIZED THAT THE RUE STREET JUST REALLY DOESN'T BRING THE BENEFIT THAT THE DEVELOPER HAD IN MIND SPECIFICALLY.

THAT BEING SAID, WITH THE AGREEMENT, WITH THE CONDITION ALREADY BUILT INTO THE MOTION, IF IT DOES CARRY FORWARD AND IF COUNCIL WERE TO PUSH IT FORWARD WITH THAT SAME RECOMMENDATION TO INCLUDE THAT ELIMINATION OF RUE STREET, NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS IS RELATIVELY SELF CONTAINED WITHIN ITSELF AS FAR AS ITS FACING OUTWARD TO PALM BAY ROAD, PALM BAY ROAD, CERTAINLY A COMMERCIAL APPLICATION.

THAT BEING SAID, I WANT TO JUST EMPHASIZE THAT THE WALL IS THERE, THE 30 FOOT EASEMENT IS THERE.

BUT BUT ESSENTIALLY BY ELIMINATING THAT RUE STREET, WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT IT'S PUSHING THINGS OUTWARD ON PALM BAY ROAD AND NOT BEING SOMETHING THAT'S THAT'S A CUT THROUGH AND THINGS OF THIS SORT. SO IF THE HOPEFULLY THE APPLICANT HEARS THAT LOUD AND CLEAR IS THAT AS THEY MODIFY AND ADJUST THEIR SITE PLAN AS THINGS MOVE FORWARD.

SO THAT'S JUST WHAT I WANT TO STATE.

SO IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER COMMENTS ALL IN FAVOR, SAY I, I.

I OPPOSED.

OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES FOR TWO TO.

THE. ON.

I'LL HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE.

I. HEY, HEY, HEY, NAI.

THAT WAS AN I. I TAKE IT.

THANK YOU, ROBERT.

OPPOSE KNIFE.

RANDALL. I WAS AN I, AND I WAS AN I AS WELL.

KENDRA. OKAY, THANK YOU.

WE'LL WAIT TILL THE NOISE DIES DOWN A LITTLE.

MY. ALEX ALL RIGHT.

SO THIS IS THE SECOND PART OF C P, SO THIS IS CP Z 19, 2022 AND THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A REZONING THAT GOES IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT, AND IT IS THEY'RE LOOKING TO GO FROM RESIDENTIAL TO RESTRICTED COMMERCIAL, SORRY, RURAL RESIDENTIAL TO RESTRICTED COMMERCIAL.

AND I BELIEVE THAT IT IS THE SAME PIECE THAT WE'VE JUST BEEN SPEAKING ABOUT.

AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE IN REGARDS TO THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY OR WOULD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

THANK YOU, ALEX. MISS, DO WE? I WILL NOT REPEAT EVERYTHING I SAID BEFORE.

IT'S A ZONING CHANGE FROM RURAL RESIDENTIAL TO RESTRICTED COMMERCIAL FOR JUST SIX ACRES.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS IF THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE POPPED UP.

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HATTAWAY? IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION, PLEASE.

ONE OF THE RESIDENTS CONCERN WAS THE TRAFFIC THAT ARE PASSING BY THIS PROPOSED SITE.

HAS THE CITY AND YOURSELF GOTTEN TOGETHER WHERE THEY CAN PUT A TURN LANE? YES, SIR. AND THAT'S CONTEMPLATED ON THE PLAN I PROVIDED.

AND WE ARE WORKING WITH BOTH THE COUNTY AND THE CITY ON THAT.

THAT WOULD GET THEM OFF OF PALM PALM BAY ROAD BEFORE THEY HAD TO STOP.

THANK YOU. YOUR OTHER QUESTIONS.

RANDALL. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. JUST A FURTHER POINT OF CLARIFICATION PERTAINING TO TRAFFIC.

I SEE THE RIGHT TURN LANE CLEARLY IN THE PLAN THAT THAT YOU PASSED FORWARD.

BUT DID YOU MENTION A CUT IN THE MEDIAN TO BE ABLE FOR WESTBOUND TRAFFIC TO BE ABLE TO TURN SOUTH INTO THIS, WHERE AT THIS POINT YOU DO NOT HAVE THAT IS NOT MY UNDERSTANDING. GOT TO OK AND IT IS NOT CONTEMPLATED.

YOUR EARLY CONCURRENCE WITH BREVARD COUNTY WAS FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THAT RIGHT TURN LANE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD.

THAT IS ALL I'M AWARE OF.

BUT I WILL DOUBLE CHECK AND LET YOU KNOW IF THAT IS NOT CORRECT.

SURE, ABSOLUTELY. I'M GOING TO SAY AND I CAN'T DIRECT YOU TO DO IT, I JUST WANT TO SAY TRIVIALLY THAT, YOU KNOW, A CUT BEING EXPLORED WOULD POTENTIALLY BE PRODUCTIVE.

WHEN WE HEARD SOME OF THE OTHER FEEDBACK ABOUT ATHENS BECAUSE OF THE RESTRICTIONS OF ATHENS, THE MISUSE OF IT IS GROTESQUE.

AND THEN THE BARRIERS THAT ARE IN PLACE TO PREVENT THE MISUSE ONLY CAUSE THAT TO CAUSE MORE ISSUES.

SO IF WESTBOUND TRAFFIC IS ONLY TO RELY ON A U-TURN AT ATHENS TO GET INTO THIS PROPERTY, I MEAN, YOU'RE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET PATRONS FROM THE WESTBOUND. THAT'S ME. SHARE MY OPINION LET ME LET ME KEEP IT IN ORDER BUT I JUST WANT TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU.

BUT CLARIFICATION SAKE, IT'S IN THE PLAN TENTATIVELY TO HAVE A RIGHT TURN LANE ON THAT SOUTHBOUND PORTION OF PALM BAY ROAD SO YOU COULD TURN SOUTH INTO THE COMPLEX. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS HATTAWAY.

ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO ADD ANYTHING.

THERE. RAYMOND FELICIANO FOR ZERO ONE HARWOOD STREET.

THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS ON THAT RIGHT TURN LANE, WOULD THAT ARE YOU GOING TO ELIMINATE THE SIDEWALK AND THEN GO INTO SOME OF THE PROPERTY OF THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THIS LOT? IT'S THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE.

WELL, WE'LL WE'LL LET THE APPLICANT RESPOND TO THAT.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE? MISS HATTAWAY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND TO THAT? AN ENGINEER.

THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING.

SO THE TURN WILL BE ENTIRELY IN THE BREVARD COUNTY RIGHT OF WAY, AND WE WILL HAVE TO CONTINUE THE SIDEWALK THERE AS WELL.

WE'LL BE PIPING A PORTION OF THAT BECAUSE THERE IS A DITCH RIGHT THERE.

BUT WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM ON THE STORMWATER AND THE ACCESS.

AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE ARE ENTERTAINING A LEFT IN.

WE HAVE A TRAFFIC ENGINEER THAT IS WORKING WITH BREVARD COUNTY ON THAT BECAUSE WE SHARED YOUR YOUR YOUR THOUGHT THERE.

WE DON'T WANT TO OVERLOAD THE ATHENS DRIVE AND THAT THAT IS A COUNTY ISSUE.

THAT IS CORRECT. THAT IS THEIR JURISDICTION.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. AT THIS POINT, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR A MOTION.

A MOTION TO APPROVE Z.

DASH 19.

DASH 2022.

MOTION FROM DAWN TO SECOND FROM K.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? AND I'M ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE. I ALL OPPOSED THOSE.

AGAIN, WE HAVE RAINER AND ROBERT OPPOSED TO.

THAT'S OKAY. HEY.

MOVING ON TO OUR NEXT CASE.

ANDERSON.

ALL RIGHT. FOR OUR NEXT CASE, WE HAVE CP DASH 20 2022.

THIS PARCEL IS LOCATED EAST OF AND ADJACENT TO DIXIE HIGHWAY, NORTHEAST IN THE VICINITY OF SOUTH IN THE VICINITY SOUTH OF FLORENCE ROAD, NORTHEAST AND ADJACENT TO KRASSNER DRIVE, NORTH WEST AND IN THE VICINITY NORTH OF HAYWORTH CIRCLE NORTHWEST.

SO IT IS A PRETTY LONG PROPERTY ALONG THE WATER THAT WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IS COMPLETELY UNDERSTOOD IN TERMS OF ITS PROXIMITY.

IT IS 2.49 ACRES IN SIZE.

ITS CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE IS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL WITH A ZONING DISTRICT OF RS ONE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

THERE ARE REQUESTS FOR THIS SPECIFIC APPLICATION IS TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE FROM SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO MIXED USE.

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I DO BELIEVE THEY ARE HERE TONIGHT.

AND SUPPORTIVE. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I DO. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

IT'S IT'S SUCH A NARROW AND SUCH A THIN PARCEL OF PROPERTY.

AND IT'S RIGHT ALONG THE RIVER THERE.

ANY WAY A RESIDENCE COULD EVEN BE BUILT ON THAT SITE.

SO I'LL LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THEIR BROADER TERMS OF WHAT THEY'RE THINKING AND ENVISIONING FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.

BUT THIS IS NOT THE ONLY PARTIAL IN THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING TO BE SETTING FORTH WITH THIS PROJECT.

RIGHT. I SEE ACROSS THE STREET THEY'RE LOOKING AT THAT AS WELL.

BUT THIS PARTICULAR.

CASTLE SEEMS JUST TO BE LIKE A NATURAL BUFFER.

I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, AND WE DO SEE IT AS A DEVELOPABLE AREA IN TERMS OF THE MIXED USE DESIGNATION FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE.

BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR THE APPLICANT TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON WHAT TYPE OF USE THEY FORESEE FOR THAT AREA.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? WELL, THANK YOU, MR. ANDERSON. MR. BERESFORD. GOOD EVENING, DAVID BASHFORD. 1250 WEST OF GALLO BOULEVARD.

A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

ONE THING STAFF AGAIN FOR THE RECOMMENDATION AND THE REPORT.

I WISH THAT THESE WERE IN A DIFFERENT ORDER.

IT WOULD HAVE HELPED KIND OF GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF AN OVERALL PICTURE.

SO I'M GOING TO KIND OF JUMP AROUND A LITTLE BIT AND THAT'S TO HELP PAINT THAT PICTURE FOR YOU.

SO THIS PARTICULAR YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE, I THINK IT IS OR FORWARD, WHICHEVER, THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL THEY MENTIONED IS ONE OF FOUR PARCELS.

WE DO NOT PLAN ON DEVELOPING IT, AT LEAST NOT WITH BUILDINGS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

WHEN WE BEGIN TO TALK ABOUT THE OTHER THREE PARCELS THAT ARE TO THE NORTH OF PORT MALABAR BOULEVARD.

THERE WILL BE A MIXED USE MULTIFAMILY AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO, THOUGH WE DON'T KNOW YET THE FEASIBILITY FOR THIS PARTICULAR PIECE IS TO DO WHAT'S CALLED ACTIVATED, AND WE DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE IN PHASE ONE OR PHASE THREE, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S FEASIBLE THROUGH THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS AND ALL THE OTHER REGULATORY AGENCIES.

BUT WHAT THE ACTIVATION IS, IS IT BECOMES ACCESSIBLE BOTH FOR THE CITY, FOR THE NEIGHBORS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

AND WHAT WE'RE KIND OF ENVISIONING IS SOMETHING, WHETHER IT'S A DOCK, WHETHER IT'S A PIER OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE, WHERE IT WOULD BE AN OPEN SPACE AMENITY, ESSENTIALLY, BUT THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT TO THAT.

IT WOULDN'T SUIT OR BE SUITABLE FOR THAT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH. FROM MY UNDERSTANDING OF SPENCER, THE THE HIGH WATER LEVEL HAS NOT BEEN DETERMINED ON THAT PROPERTY YET.

CORRECT. I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T CATCH ALL OF THAT.

WATER LEVEL HAS NOT BEEN DETERMINED ON THAT PROPERTY.

HIGH WATER LINE. THAT IS CORRECT.

SO IF A DOCK OR PIER WERE TO BE BUILT ON THAT PROPERTY, WOULD THAT BE FOR PUBLIC USE, PUBLIC ACCESS? THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE WE WOULD LIKE TO DO, BECAUSE IF YOU'VE SEEN THE SKETCH THAT SAYS PART OF THE REPORT, THAT THAT WOULD BE PART OF THAT ACTIVATION.

IF THAT COMES THROUGH, WE WOULD REQUEST THAT THERE BE TIMES WHERE WE COULD RESTRICT THAT.

BUT GENERALLY, YES, IT WOULD BE OPEN.

AND OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. BAMFORD.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

AT THIS POINT, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE APPLICATION? A POST, MA'AM.

HI. CHARLENE BEACH, 1013 CAVE LANE, JUST AROUND THE CORNER FROM THE PROPERTIES THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT.

I, LIKE YOU WOULD HAVE LIKED IT TO HAVE BEEN KIND OF LOOKED AT IN A DIFFERENT WAY.

THE STRIP ALONG THE HIGHWAY THERE IS JUST A WONDERFUL OPEN GREEN SPACE.

IT'S WONDERFUL TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE WATER.

AND MY CONCERN IS THAT WE'VE GOT A HIDDEN AGENDA HERE BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO BE I DON'T KNOW WHAT MIXED USE MEANS, WHAT COULD HAPPEN, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IN OUR WORLD TODAY, THE ABILITY TO ACTIVATE CAN MEAN A LOT OF THINGS. AND SO THAT WOULD BE MY QUESTION REGARDING THAT.

AND THEN I HAVE OTHER THINGS TO SAY ON THE NEXT PART.

I'VE I'VE GOT THREE IMPORTANT POINTS ON, ON LATER, BUT I'LL, I'LL ADDRESS THAT LATER, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

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THIS IS ANOTHER PIECE OF THAT PROPERTY THAT'S IN VERY.

VERY IMPORTANT TO THE NATURE SIDE OF OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

IT CAN BE COULD BE GORGEOUS PART OF THE CITY'S WALKWAY AND TO THE BAY AREA ALONG THE RIVER WHICH WOULD BE VERY IMPERTINENT.

BUT WHEN I SEE IT BEING COMBINED INTO ANOTHER OVERALL PLAN, THIS MAY SAY IT WAS THIS SUPPOSED TO BE PART OF THE OVERALL.

WELL, I'M DESIGNATING THIS LAND TO COMPENSATE MORE DENSITY ON ANOTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY BECAUSE I GAVE SOMETHING ACROSS THE STREET TO THE CITY.

SO I WAS TRYING TO SEE IF THIS IS GOING TO BE PART OF THE I WOULD SAY THAT OVERALL AGENDA THAT WE CAN'T SEE BECAUSE WE'RE JUST CHANGING THE LAND DESIGNATION.

NOW, IS IT GOING TO HOW DO I SAY THIS? IS IT PART OF A.

OVERALL OBJECTIVE THAT WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE BAYFRONT COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AREAS IS YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF LAND MASS TO COINCIDE WITH YOUR DEVELOPMENT.

BUT IF YOU'RE HAVING SOMETHING THAT CAN'T BE BUILT UPON OR UTILIZED AND YOU'RE USING THAT AS YOUR TOTAL ACREAGE CALCULATION BECAUSE YOU OWNED IT, IT'S KIND OF LIKE HAVING PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET AS AN OFFICE, BUT EVERYBODY USE THE PARKING LOT ACROSS THE STREET.

IT DOESN'T REALLY WORK THAT WAY.

IF IT'S PART OF YOUR DEVELOPMENT, IT'S PART OF YOUR DEVELOPMENT.

IF IT'S NOT, IT'S IF IT'S NOT CONNECTED, IT'S NOT YOUR DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S VERY SIMPLE. IT'S A SEPARATE PARCEL.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, BILL.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE, SUSAN? SUSAN CONNOLLY, 3901 DIXIE HIGHWAY NORTHEAST.

THE PROPERTY ALONG THIS CORRIDOR IS IS PRECIOUS.

IT IS UNIQUE.

IT'S THE ONE THING IN PALM BAY THAT CANNOT BE REPLICATED.

AND IT IS PART OF OUR STATEMENT OF A NATURAL RESOURCE.

TO EVEN THINK OF PUTTING A DOCK RESTRICTS THE VIEW.

AND THERE'S SO MANY PLACES THAT YOU NO LONGER CAN SEE THE WATER AS YOU DRIVE.

IT IS VERY WORRISOME TO ME.

AND AS I SIT IN THESE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETINGS, WHEN REALLY I GUESS THERE'S NO WAY TO REALLY HAVE DEVELOPERS OR PEOPLE COME FORTH AT THIS POINT WITH A DISTINCT AND DEFINITE IDEA FOR SOMEONE TO SAY THAT A DOG COULD BE OR APPEAR.

AND I THINK IT WAS A VERY GOOD QUESTION.

WOULD THAT BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC? AND THE ANSWER WAS VERY VAGUE.

WELL, IT WOULD LIKE TO DO PUBLIC, BUT WE WOULD WANT TO RESTRICT IT TO.

AND I THINK FOR THAT ALONE, RIGHT NOW, PRESERVE THE GREEN SPACE, PRESERVE THE VIEW THAT IS TOTALLY PUBLIC USE.

THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK.

MR. BERESFORD, DID YOU WANT TO RESPOND? SO A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS AND THIS WILL GO BACK TO THE JUMPING AROUND A LITTLE BIT.

CAN YOU ALL BRING UP THE CONCEPT PLAN? BECAUSE I HEARD SEVERAL TIMES THAT WE HAVEN'T PUT FORTH WHAT WE WANT TO DO, AND I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS THAT ONE MORE THAN ANYTHING.

UM. ONE.

WHILE WE'RE GETTING THAT UP FOR YOU, A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS THAT I WANTED TO MAKE MENTION OF, AND THIS GOES MORE IN LINE WITH THE RESULTING, THAT KIND OF THING.

BUT SEEING AS THIS IS ALL TIED TOGETHER, WE REACHED OUT TO THE CITIZENS AND ACTUALLY HAD A NICE LARGE DISPLAY FOR THEM THAT WAS COMPLETELY VOLUNTARY. IT WAS FOR MULTIPLE REASONS.

ONE, WE WANTED TO REACH OUT.

WE WANTED THEM TO KNOW WHAT'S COMING.

EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE REQUESTING TONIGHT WITH BOTH THE REZONING AND THE LAND USE IS ALL PERMITTED.

CURRENTLY, THIS PIECE OVER WATERSIDE IS NOT ACTUALLY INTENDED TO BE DEVELOPED.

WE WOULD LIKE, AS I HAVE STATED TO, TO DO SOMETHING THAT ACTIVATES THAT LAND IN DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF.

THEY WERE IN FAVOR OF THAT.

BUT AS I SAID, IT MAY NOT EVEN BE FEASIBLE, BUT IT IS NOT DEVELOPABLE.

HERE WE GO. SO THIS IS WHAT IS IN THE STAFF'S REPORT AND WHAT WE'VE SHOWN TO THE NEIGHBORS.

I THINK THAT THAT'S A PRETTY CLEAR DEPICTION OF WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO.

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IT JUST REQUIRES TOO MUCH COMMERCIAL TO BE VIABLE.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOKED AT IS, WELL, UNDER THE PCR, WE COULD DO EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING, BUT IT REQUIRES JUST ABOUT FOUR OR FOUR AND ONE HALF TIMES THE AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL.

AND THAT UNTO ITSELF MAKES THIS PROPERTY NOT VIABLE.

SO WITH THAT IN MIND AND IN DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF, WE DECIDED TO GO WITH THE BAYFRONT MIXED USE.

AND WHAT THAT ALLOWS FOR IN THIS ALLIANCE ARE ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF ACTIVATION IS RATHER THAN SEGREGATING COMPLETELY THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE COMMERCIAL, THE COMMERCIAL WILL ACTUALLY BE INTEGRATED INTO THE BUILDING.

SO RATHER THAN WAITING AND KICKING THAT DOWN THE CURB, IT WILL BE BUILT DURING PHASE ONE.

THE. SO THE OTHER DISCUSSION WITH STAFF WAS TO KEEP EVERYTHING NICE AND CLEAN.

WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DO A LAND USE AND REZONING OF THE ENTIRE FOUR PARCELS THAT WAY.

ONE'S ONE PIECE ISN'T JUST SITTING HANGING OUT THERE WHERE WE COULD PUT A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, BECAUSE IT'S ALL UNDER ONE OWNERSHIP AT THIS POINT WHERE IT WASN'T PREVIOUSLY.

SO THIS JUST TIES EVERYTHING TOGETHER.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BAMFORD? YEAH, JUST A CLARIFICATION.

SO SO THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.

IT IS IT HAS BEEN MY UNDERSTANDING THAT BASED ON THIS, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO DEVELOP PARCEL FOUR.

SO WE CAN AS AS IS IS IT'S LISTED ON OK.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. YEAH.

SO YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

PROPOSAL FOUR IS THAT THAT REMAINS INTACT.

BUT TO ACTIVATE IT, THEN IT'S A POSSIBILITY TO DO SOMETHING LIKE A BOARDWALK OR A DOCK OR SOMETHING SO THAT WE COULD HAVE PUBLIC AND HAVE FULL USE OF IT. BUT IDEALLY, YOU'RE LOOKING TO DEVELOP PARCEL ONE AND TWO.

BUT IT WOULD BE ONE, TWO AND THREE.

SO THREE, THREE AND THREE.

YES. CORRECT.

CORRECT. MIXED USE.

COMMERCIAL. RESIDENTIAL? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY.

THERE'S NO PLANS TO DO ANYTHING ON THE WATER EDGE.

IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE, DEPENDING UPON STAFF RECOMMENDATION BEING THE CITY AND LIKE I SAID, ALL OF THE OTHER REGULATORY AGENCIES, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THAT'S FEASIBLE.

YOU KNOW, ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS COULD BE A NIGHTMARE.

SO. WELL, GOOD.

THANK YOU. I UNDERSTOOD IT.

BUT THEN WHEN YOU STARTED TALKING, I WAS A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I READ IT ON.

I UNDERSTOOD IT TO ME. AND AGAIN, WE'RE ONLY DEALING WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGE FOR THE 2.49 ACRES AT THIS POINT.

SO. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. BAMFORD? MR. CHAIR, I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

IT'S MORE DIRECTED TOWARDS STAFF, BUT I'D LIKE TO ASK IT WHILE MR. BESLER IS AT THE PODIUM IN CASE ANY TEXTURE IS NEEDED.

BUT I JUST NEED ITEM NUMBER NINE, VERY SPECIFICALLY FRAMED.

WHAT ARE WE ADDRESSING RIGHT NOW? WE'RE LOOKING AT 2.49 ACRES, ALL OF WHICH ARE IMMEDIATELY ON THE RIVER.

IS THAT CORRECT? THIS APPLICANT, YOU ALREADY OWN THAT PROPERTY.

CORRECT. AND YOU OWN CELEBRATION SQUARE.

WHAT WE KNOW IS CELEBRATIONS.

SO WHAT WE'RE HOSTING RIGHT NOW IN NUMBER NINE IS THE STRIP OF LAND THAT IF MY MEMORY IS ANY GOOD, IT ENDS RIGHT BEFORE THOSE HOUSES THAT THE FOLKS THAT BUILT PAISANOS BUILT THERE.

SO THE STRIP OF LAND THAT NOTHING IS ON THESE FOLKS OWN, THEY WANT TO TODAY CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE FROM SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL WHICH WAS USED AT THOSE TWO TWO LOTS WHEN THOSE FOLKS BUILT THAT HOUSES AT THAT RESTAURANT TO A MIXED USE.

BUT THEN MR. BASFORD SAID, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY INTENTION TO DO ANYTHING RIGHT NOW.

SO I GUESS MY QUESTION FOR STAFF IS WHY DO WE NEED TO ADDRESS THIS? WHAT BENEFIT DOES IT BRING TO US? FRANKLY, WHAT BENEFIT DOES IT BRING TO THE DEVELOPER TO RIGHT NOW ADDRESS THIS ITEM? AND AGAIN, WE COULD HAVE DONE THIS SECOND, BUT BUT EITHER WAY, I JUST CAN'T COMPREHEND WHAT'S NECESSARY RIGHT NOW IF THERE'S NO ACTIONS AFTERWARDS THAT ARE GOING TO COME. ALL RIGHT.

IS THIS WORKING NOW? YES, SIR.

ALL RIGHT. SO FIRST OFF, FOR THE CURRENT LAND USE AND ZONING DISTRICT THAT IT IS IN, WOULD ALLOW FOR RESIDENTIAL TYPE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH OBVIOUSLY, AS HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED, IS NOT SUITABLE FOR WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT HERE.

SO THAT IS ONE CAUSE OF CONCERN WITH ITS CURRENT ZONING DISTRICT BECAUSE THE ENTITLEMENTS ARE THERE.

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THE SECOND ASPECT OF IT IS THAT MIXED USE SPECIFICALLY IN THE BAYFRONT MIXED USE AND AN ALL MIXED USE DISTRICT, BUT IT IS HIGHLIGHTED IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE BAYFRONT MIXED USE DISTRICT SPECIFICALLY THAT THERE ARE INSTITUTIONAL AND RECREATIONAL USES THAT SHOULD BE PROMOTED INSIDE OF THE AREA.

SO THIS WOULD ACCOUNT FOR SOME OF THE INSTITUTIONAL AND RECREATIONAL USES WHILE ALSO ALLOWING US TO HAVE AN ACTIVATION OR RATHER SORRY, LET ME REPHRASE THAT. NOT NECESSARILY AN ACTIVATION DEPENDING ON WHAT IS UTILIZED FOR THIS AREA, BUT POSSIBLY A PASSIVE OR ACTIVE USE FOR THIS AREA THAT HAS BEEN UNDERUTILIZED SO FAR. AND IT COULD CREATE A WALKABLE AREA POTENTIALLY, DEPENDING ON HOW IT IS USED, THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO BE MIXED IN WITH THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT, THAT VERTICAL MIXED USE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN PROMOTED BY THE APPLICANT AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

AND THEN THIS IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WISE.

IT IS FURTHERING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN GOALS WHERE WE WERE LOOKING FOR SPECIFICALLY MORE OF A MIXTURE OF USES, WALKABLE NATURE, DENSITY, AND THESE THINGS ARE PRESCRIBED MORE INSIDE OF AN AREA THAT WE WOULD DEEM FIT FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD TO AN EXTENT, WHICH THIS DOES SEEM PRETTY CONDUCIVE WITH A NEW NEIGHBORHOOD TYPE FEEL, ESPECIALLY AS WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE NODES OF CATCHMENT RATHER THAN HAVING PEOPLE ALWAYS SPILL OUT OF PALM BAY.

THIS WILL HAVE THAT VERTICAL NATURE OF MIXED USE THAT WILL ALLOW FOR PEOPLE TO STAY INTERNAL AND HAVE SOME INTERNAL CATCHMENT RATHER THAN EVERYONE GOING EXTERNAL.

I QUITE APPRECIATE THAT ROBUST EXPLANATION.

ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION I'M LOOKING FOR, SIR, IS AS NUMBER NINE IS WRITTEN, IT IS A FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT FROM SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO MIXED USE.

IT DOES NOT READ THAT IT'S TO BE FRONT MIXED USE AND THAT'S HOLDING ME UP.

I APOLOGIZE. BAYFRONT MIXED USE IS GOING TO BE ZONING DISTRICT SORRY ABOUT THAT.

THE ZONING DISTRICT SO MIXED USE IS ACTUALLY ON OUR LISTED USES INSIDE OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

SO THAT'S WHERE I WAS GETTING IT FROM.

I APOLOGIZE. I WAS READING SPECIFICALLY FROM THERE, BUT IT WOULD BE THE ZONING DISTRICT IS BAYFRONT MIXED USE, WHEREAS THE ACTUAL FUTURE LAND USE WOULD BE MIXED USE.

UNDERSTOOD. SO FOR ANYTHING TO BE ZONED BAYFRONT MIXED USE, IT HAS TO FIRST HAVE A FUTURE LAND DESIGNATION OF MIXED USE AND THEN WE CAN GET SPECIFIC.

THAT PROBABLY IS WHAT LEADS US TO THE ORDER OF EVENTS HERE IN TONIGHT'S BUSINESS IS BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GET SOMETHING TO MIXED USE.

I WON'T JUMP TO THE SEC. THE OTHER ITEM IF RELEVANT, THEN I'LL ASK THAT QUESTION THEN.

THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION, SIR.

THAT'S ALL I HAD. MR. CHAIR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. BERESFORD. YOU KNOW.

THANK YOU, SIR. ONE THING IF IT'S A POINT OF CONTENTION, WE WOULD BE AGREEABLE TO MAKE THAT A CONDITION TO RESTRICT WHAT CAN OR CAN'T GO OVER THERE, BECAUSE WE HAVE NO INTENTION OF DOING ANY BUILDINGS, ANY WHETHER THEY BE RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL OR OTHERWISE.

SO IF THAT HELPS, THEN I'D CERTAINLY OFFER THAT.

FINE. THANK YOU.

THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS. BOARD.

CAN I GET A MOTION, PLEASE? THE MOTION TO APPROVE CP 20 2022.

OH, SORRY. WITH WITH WITH ANY WITH ANY RESTRICTIONS THAT THE.

THAT THE BOARD OR CITY COUNCIL MAY DEEM NECESSARY OR CITY STAFF.

I CAN. YEAH, IT'S.

WHAT RESTRICTIONS ARE YOU REFERRING TO? YOU HAVE TO BE MORE SPECIFIC THAN THAT.

I WOULD I WITHDRAW THAT MOTION? JUST HOW WOULD WE WORD THAT IF WE DO WANT TO HAVE SOME LEVEL OF CONTROL AS TO WHAT GOES THERE? WELL, LOOK, THAT PROPERTY IS NOT BUILDABLE, FRANKLY.

YOU CAN'T BUILD RESIDENCES ON IT.

YOU CAN'T BUILD COMMERCIAL ON IT.

THAT WOULD NOT BE ONE CONDITION THAT YOU COULD POTENTIALLY THINK ABOUT MAKING IS HAVING THE DEVELOPMENT GO IN SUBSTANTIAL CONFORMANCE WITH THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE YOU. WANT ME TO SAY ALL OF THAT.

SO IT WOULD BE IN ONE SENTENCE IN APPROVAL WITH SUBSTANTIAL CONFORMANCE TO THE SITE PLAN OR THE CONCEPT PLAN SHOWN BEFORE US AT THIS MEETING. THAT SATISFY YOU? SOMEBODY. IS.

YOU JUST SAY SO MOVED.

SO MOVED. HERE YOU GO.

THANK YOU. RING. OH, MY GOODNESS.

I MADE IT EASY. DO WE HAVE A SECOND AND A SECOND, THEN SECOND FROM DON.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NOW? WELL, I JUST WANT TO SAY I'M GLAD THAT THERE WAS NO REAL PLAN TO DEVELOP.

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IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT GOES THERE.

I THINK THE RESIDENTS MADE A POINT OF BEING ABLE TO VIEW THE WATERFRONT, TO BE ABLE TO WALK.

IT DOES ADD SOME VALUE WITH HAVING THAT NATURAL SPACE.

SO I'M GLAD THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE THE DEVELOPER IS LOOKING TO MAINTAIN AT LEAST THAT GREEN SPACE HERE IN THE CITY.

SO THANK YOU. IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER COMMENTS ALL IN FAVOR, SAY I.

I ALL OPPOSED.

THE MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

MOVING ON. OUR NEXT GUEST, PLEASE, MR. ANDERSON. ALL RIGHT.

OUR NEXT CASE BEFORE U IS FOR Z, DASH 22, 2022.

THIS IS THE SEQUENTIAL CASE, THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FOR THE CASE BEFORE THIS, WHICH WAS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT.

AGAIN, IT IS LOCATED EAST OF AND ADJACENT TO DIXIE HIGHWAY IN THE VICINITY OF AND SOUTH OF FLORA AND ROAD, NORTHEAST AND ADJACENT TO KRASSNER DRIVE, NORTH WEST.

AGAIN, IT'S APPROXIMATELY 2.49 ACRES IN SIZE.

ITS FUTURE LAND USE CURRENTLY IS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL WITH A ZONING DISTRICT OF RS ONE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

THIS APPLICATION BEFORE YOU NOW IS THROUGH REQUEST OF REZONING FROM RS ONE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PCR PLANNED COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT.

I APOLOGIZE THERE WAS AN ERROR ON THAT LAST PAGE.

THIS HAS THREE DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS TO IT.

SO IS PCR PLANNED COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL OR REDEVELOPMENT? SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL? AND THEN HHC FOR HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL? EACH OF THESE ZONING DISTRICTS WILL THEN TURN INTO BAYFRONT MIXED USE.

WE DO RECOMMEND APPROVALS FOR CPCS 28 2022 AND WE ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS, AS IS THE APPLICANT.

OR HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

RENDELL THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

SO IS THE 12.78 ACRES, INCLUDING THE 2.49 ACROSS THE STREET? YES, IT IS. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

SO MOVING FORWARD, HAS THIS HAS THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY ALREADY BEEN BECOME BECOME ONE? THERE'S WORD FOR IT. I CAN'T THINK OF IT.

HAS IT BEEN COMBINED TOGETHER? SO WHAT HAPPENS IN A MIXED USE AND A PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT IS WE ONLY NEED THEM TO PROVIDE US WITH A JOINT OWNERSHIP OR JUST EVIDENCE THAT THERE IS JOINT OWNERSHIP ACROSS THE PARCELS. THEY DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE TO COMBINE THE PARCELS.

OKAY, FAIR ENOUGH. THEY MAY RECONFIGURE THEM DEPENDING ON HOW THEY MAY END UP DEVELOPING THEM.

BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THERE IS NO NEED TO PREPARE THE SITE PLAN THAT THEY HAD SHOWN THE PLAN ALL THE BETTER.

BUT SO IT CAN'T BE A UNITY OF TITLE, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.

GOTCHA. SO ALL THINGS CONSIDERED.

SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THIS 12.78 ACRES, WHICH CONTAINS WHAT ANYBODY IN PALM BAY KNOWS IS THE CELEBRATION SQUARE FROM PORT MALABAR TO THIS FLOOR AND ROAD THAT THAT CHUNK OF LAND, IN ADDITION TO THE 2.49 WE EQUAL.

THAT'S WHAT EQUALS IS 12.78.

RIGHT. THERE'S NO OTHER AUXILIARY PARCELS OR WHAT HAVE YOU TO THIS PROJECT.

NO THERE IS NOT. SO THEN WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS CREATING THIS WHOLE LANDMASS, CHANGING ITS ZONING, AS WE TALKED ABOUT ON THE PREVIOUS.

NOW WE'RE ON THAT CHANGING ITS ZONING TO THE BAYFRONT MIXED USE, WHICH THE DEVELOPER REFERRED TO AS CAUSING THEM TO COME IN EARLIER WITH COMMERCIAL AS OPPOSED TO SOME OF THEIR PREVIOUS IDEAS.

SO WITHIN THIS BAYFRONT MIXED USE, THE ESSENCE OF THE DEVELOPMENT IN ITS ENTIRETY, WHETHER IT'S ON THE MAIN PARCEL OR ACROSS THE STREET, WILL FIT THAT BILL AND WE'LL BE KIND OF UNDER THAT CONSTRUCT.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.

THERE IS SPECIFIC LEVELS OF COMMERCIAL VERSUS RESIDENTIAL THAT IT NEEDS TO HAVE.

IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, I WILL VERIFY IN A SECOND, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S AN 8020 SPLIT, NO MORE THAN 80% RESIDENTIAL AND THEN 20% ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE.

AND WITH THIS TYPE OF PRODUCT, WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING, WHICH IS A BIT MORE UNIQUE TO AREAS IN FLORIDA THAT AREN'T AS IDENTIFIED, IS THAT THEY'RE GOING VERTICAL WITH THEIR MIXED USE, WHICH IS WHAT'S TRIGGERING THE MIX, THE MIXTURE OF THE COMMERCIAL COMING IN IMMEDIATELY BECAUSE LIKE THEY MENTIONED, IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE GROUND FLOOR, WHEREAS MORE TRADITIONAL MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE HORIZONTAL IN NATURE STILL OFTEN HAVE THAT TRIGGER OF NEEDING THE HOUSES BEFORE THE ACTUAL COMMERCIAL.

THIS CIRCUMVENTS THAT NATURE, RIGHT? AND WE PUT A VERTICAL RESTRICTION.

WE ACTUALLY EXPANDED IT WHEN WE CREATED BAYFRONT MIXED USE.

WHAT IS THAT FOOTAGE.

UP, UP. I BELIEVE IT'S 70 FEET.

I WILL DOUBLE CHECK THAT REAL QUICK IN ONE MOMENT, THOUGH, IF YOU'D LIKE.

OKAY. YEAH, JUST ABSOLUTELY.

BUT THAT WAS ON MY HEAD TOO.

SO IT WAS THE 8020. BUT YOU NEVER WANT TO ASSUME.

RIGHT. SO THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, MR. ANDERSON.

WILL THE APPLICANT PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM? MR. BERESFORD, YOU'RE UP AGAIN.

I BELIEVE I COVERED MOST OF WHAT I HAVE TO SAY TONIGHT.

LAST TIME I WAS UP BUT RESERVE ANY TIME JUST IN CASE THERE'S ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR FOR ANY QUESTIONS STAFF MAY HAVE.

I'M SORRY. THE BOARD MAY HAVE THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

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OKAY. AT THIS POINT, I'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR A MOTION.

AND I. FOR ONE, I'M ABSOLUTELY.

OH. EXCUSE ME.

YOU WANT TO COMMENT? I APOLOGIZE.

I ALSO JUST WANTED TO LET THE BOARD KNOW THAT MAXIMUM HEIGHT, I APOLOGIZE, IS 60 FEET.

OK CHARLENE BEACH, 1013 CABLE LANE NORTHEAST JUST AROUND THE CORNER.

I'M LATE TO THIS TRAIN RIDE, SO I FEEL LIKE I'M JUST REARRANGING A LITTLE BIT OF FURNITURE ON THE INSIDE.

I ABSOLUTELY CONCUR THAT THAT STRIP SHOULD NOT BE DEVELOPED.

BUT I UNDERSTAND FROM WHAT BILL SHARED, THAT THE IDEA OF PUTTING THAT TOGETHER WAS THAT SO THEY COULD MAXIMIZE THE DENSITY OF WHAT THEY'RE DEVELOPING ON CELEBRATION SQUARE. SO MY PERSONAL WAS I'VE BEEN ON A PLANNING COMMISSION BEFORE, AND SO I JUST HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING.

I UNDERSTAND HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO KIND OF NAVIGATE ALL OF THIS.

I KNOW THAT THESE ARE REALLY SERIOUS DECISIONS.

MY THREE POINTS THAT I AM IMPLORING YOU TO CONSIDER.

WHICH THE ONE IS.

IT WAS A WINN-DIXIE AND A STRIP THERE THAT WAS THERE 17 YEARS AGO THAT WAS DESTROYED.

NOTHING HAS COME THERE.

WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING CLOSE FOR PEOPLE TO COME TO.

I SEE I SEE PEOPLE BUYING GROCERIES AT THE DOLLAR STORE.

WE NEED A GROCERY THERE.

THEY'RE WILLING TO PUT IN COMMERCIAL.

I DID A LITTLE RESEARCH.

ALL THESE FOR 17.

THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.

WE'LL PUT PUT A LOCATION THAT'S KIND OF IN THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE OF WHAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO DO.

I ASK FOR THE HEIGHT TO BE REDUCED TO THREE STORIES.

THEY'RE LOOKING AT FIVE STORIES.

THAT'S RIDICULOUS FOR THAT COMMUNITY.

AND WHAT THAT SCOPE IS THERE.

I ASK FOR THE LAND ALONG THE WATER TO REMAIN THAT GREEN SPACE.

THAT'S ABSOLUTELY A NECESSITY FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED.

SO I WASN'T ABLE TO GO TO THEIR OUTREACH.

I KNOW THAT THERE ARE A FEW PEOPLE THERE.

MY HUSBAND WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT ATTENDED AND SO I WAS ABLE TO GET MORE INFORMATION REGARDING THINGS.

I DID TRY TO EMAIL OUR FRIEND HERE BEHIND ME AND THE EMAIL DID NOT GO THROUGH.

THAT MAKES A LOT OF THIS JUST SLIGHTLY UNCOMFORTABLE.

THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE, BILL? GILBERT IN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST.

AFTER HEARING THE CONVERSATIONS, THIS KIND OF GOES INTO EXACTLY WHAT I WAS SAYING.

ARE WE TRYING TO TAKE THIS UNBELIEVABLE LAND AND INCORPORATE THAT INTO OUR BAYFRONT MIXED USE? BECAUSE UNDER BAYFRONT MIXED USE GUIDELINES, WE HAVE CERTAIN CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS TO BE GREEN SPACE HAS TO BE WATER RETENTION, HAS TO BE OPEN SPACE IN ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR THAT.

SO WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS THEY'RE USING PROPERTY THAT'S NOT CONNECTED TO THIS, TO THAT PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND USING THAT FOR THEIR LAND BANKING AS THEIR PASSING FOR THEIR DEVELOPMENT. I PERSONALLY AM NOT IN FAVOR OF IT.

ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN, THOUGH, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE NEED THE DEVELOPMENT OVER IN THAT AREA.

BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE AS PART OF THAT DEVELOPMENT IS THAT FOR THEIR ACTUAL WHERE THEY'RE DOING THEIR BUILDING, THAT THEY DO TRY TO FOLLOW SOME OF THE GUIDELINES THAT THE CITY OF PALM BAY SETS FOR THEM, WHICH STATES WHEN YOU'RE MAKING YOUR DEVELOPMENT, YOU ALL HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF LAND MASSES, GREEN, OPEN SPACE AND SO FORTH THAT THAT'S INCORPORATED IN THAT.

AND WHEN I LOOK AT THEIR PLAN FOR WHAT'S TO THE WEST SIDE OF US, ONE, I DON'T SEE ANY ZERO IOTA OF GREEN SPACE IN THAT DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY'RE PRESENTING.

I SEE A LOT ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE, BUT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHERE THEY'RE TRYING TO BUILD.

THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? MR. ABBAS WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND.

SO A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

I'VE HEARD IT TWICE NOW.

WE ACTUALLY DO NOT NEED THAT 2.4 ACRE 249 ACRES IN ORDER TO REACH OUR DENSITY.

WHAT HAS SHOWN ON THIS PARTICULAR PLAN IS JUST UPWARDS OF 300 UNITS.

304, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, MIGHT BE 303.

AND WITH JUST THE ACREAGE THAT IS TO THE WEST OF US ONE, WE COULD GET 309.

AND I JUST DID A QUICK BALLPARK MATH, BUT IT WOULD BE 309 UNITS.

SO WE DON'T NEED THAT ACREAGE.

BUT IT IS ALL PURCHASED AND PART OF THE PROJECT.

WHAT WAS THE OTHER ONE? JOE.

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LAYOUT EXCAVATION WORK.

YEAH. THAT HITS ALL THE BUILDINGS.

SO, AGAIN, THE HEIGHT OF HEIGHT.

THE BUILDINGS, YES.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER IS EVERYTHING THAT WE ARE PROPOSING, WHETHER IT BE THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE STOREYS WE COULD DO UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING.

SO I DON'T I DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK IN.

THE PCR ACTUALLY HAS SEVERAL INCENTIVES, WHAT I'LL CALL THEM THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO GO UP TO, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, A TOTAL OF 90 FEET IN HEIGHT.

SO THAT WOULD BE ONE THING THAT I REQUEST THAT YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION IN YOUR DELIBERATIONS.

THIS ONE HERE.

YES, WE ARE FOR THE NORTH, TWO BUILDINGS, THE ONE THAT IS UP AGAINST I BELIEVE IT'S FLORENCE AND THEN THE ONE THAT'S AGAINST US.

ONE, THOSE TWO, TWO BUILDINGS WILL BE FIVE STOREY.

AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE UNDERNEATH THOSE BUILDINGS WILL BE PODIUM PARKING.

SO ESSENTIALLY, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WAY OF DESCRIBING BEING IN A LONG NIGHT, FOR LACK OF A BETTER LACK OF DESCRIPTION, THEY'RE UP ON STILTS AND THEN THE RESIDENTIAL WOULD BE ABOVE IT AND THE REMAINDER OF THE BUILDINGS WOULD BE FOUR STOREY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. BEDFORD? THANK YOU, SIR.

ALL RIGHT. AT THIS POINT, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR A MOTION.

A MOTION TO APPROVE CPD'S 20, 20, 22.

SECOND MOTION FROM DON, SECOND FROM KAY.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO ENSURE THAT YOU HAVE THIS SAME CONDITION AS BEFOREHAND? I JUST WANTED TO ASK THAT FOR CLARITY PURPOSES, BECAUSE IT REALLY STICKS MORE ON THE ZONING RATHER THAN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

GOOD POINT. DID YOU HEAR THAT? TO INCLUDE THE SAME CONDITIONS THAT WE INCLUDED IN THE IN THE IN THE.

PREVIOUS CASE. ALL RIGHT.

YEAH. SO THAT APPROVAL WOULD BE.

BASED OFF OF THE CP 20 2022.

THE SAME CONDITIONS HERE INCLUDE SAME CONDITIONS.

YOU HAVE A SET OF MOTION FROM DON.

SECOND, FROM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

UNKNOWN FAVORITE RANDALL OLD FAVORITE.

SAY I. I ALL OPPOSED.

MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

HALLELUJAH. WE'RE FINALLY GETTING TO SEE SOMETHING BUILT ON CELEBRATION SQUARE.

YEAH, IT WILL.

ALL RIGHT, FOR OUR NEXT CASE, WE HAVE CP 21, 2022.

THIS IS A FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT.

IT IS LOCATED EAST OF AND ADJACENT TO DEGROOTE ROAD, SOUTHWEST AND IN THE VICINITY OF SIDNEY, WEST OF BRANDY CREEK CIRCLE.

IT'S FOR APPROXIMATELY 43.55 ACRES OF LAND.

THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE IS RURAL, SINGLE FAMILY, COMMERCIAL, AND THE ZONING DISTRICT IS GENERAL USE.

THE FIRST REQUEST THAT YOU'RE SEEING BEFORE YOU IS TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE FROM RURAL, SINGLE FAMILY AND COMMERCIAL TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USE.

WE DO RECOMMEND CP 21 2022 FOR APPROVAL.

STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS IN.

THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL, I BELIEVE.

IS THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? AND MY QUESTION WITH ANY NEGATIVE COMMENTS FROM ADJACENT LANDOWNERS.

AND NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE NOW WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY BEFORE THE STAFF REPORT WAS SUBMITTED.

HEY. THANK YOU, MR. ANDERSON.

WE'LL GET TO THAT. OUR CARDS OF THE CARDS UP HERE.

YEAH. SO THE CARDS ARE SEPARATE FROM COMMENTS PRIOR TO STAFF REPORTS JUST FOR VERIFICATION PURPOSES.

THANK YOU, MR. HENDERSON. MS..

ROSENKER. SORRY ABOUT THAT.

EVENING. I GUESS.

ACTING CHAIRMAN WEINBERG.

EXACTLY. MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.

MY NAME IS CAMARA. I'M WITH THE LAW FIRM OF LACEY LYONS ROSENKER.

I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF PULTE HOMES.

WITH ME IS SEAN BAILEY, THE LAND PROJECT MANAGER FOR PULTE HOMES, AND CHRIS OSSA, THE PROJECT ENGINEER WITH KIMLEY-HORN.

IS JOSH HERE? AND JOSH BLACK IS ALSO HERE.

HE IS A TRAFFIC ENGINEER WITH LTB ENGINEERING IN CASE YOU HAVE ANY ENGINEERING QUESTIONS.

THIS PROJECT IS THE DE GROOT SUBDIVISION.

WE HAD PRESENTED THIS IN THE PACKET.

I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S I MEAN WE'VE GIVEN A STAFF.

I DON'T BELIEVE.

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THIS IS OPTIC PARKWAY AND IT OSMOSIS DRIVE RUNS INTO IT.

THIS IS A 43.55 ACRE PARCEL THAT'S PROPOSED 119 LOTS WITH A PWD.

THE RECREATIONAL AND OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT OF 25%.

SO THAT'S 10.89 ACRES OF SET ASIDE.

AS YOU ALL KNOW, A POD ALLOWS DESIGN AND FLEXIBILITY AND THAT IS WHAT'S BEING DONE HERE.

IT'S A LOW DENSITY PROJECT OF 2.775 UNITS PER ACRE.

THE AVERAGE HOME SITE IS ANYWHERE FROM 1800 FEET TO 3000, WITH AN AVERAGE OF ABOUT 2500 SQUARE FEET IN FOUR SEPARATE MODELS.

IT'S LIKE THERE IS GOING TO BE A COMMERCIAL ONE ACRE PARCEL ON THIS PROPERTY.

PART OF THIS PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY COMMERCIAL, BUT IT CAME INTO THE CITY AND HAD A FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION, BUT NO ZONING.

SO AS I RECALL, IT'S A ZONING.

THIS IS A UNIQUE SITE TO DEVELOP BECAUSE OF OSMOSIS DRIVE EXTENSION.

THIS HAS BEEN IN THE CITY'S CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR A LONG TIME, AND PULTE HOMES HAS COMMITTED TO DESIGN IT AND BUILD TWO LANES AND TO SHOW THE DESIGNS FOR THE FOUR LANING THAT'S ULTIMATELY PROPOSED.

THE DEVELOPER IS PROPOSING A SIX FOOT WIDE FINAL FENCE ALONG THE NORTH, SOUTH AND EAST PROPERTY BOUNDARIES.

THERE ARE SIX WATER FEATURE PONDS, AS YOU SEE FOR THE OPEN SPACE.

THERE'S AN AMENITY AREA OR A RECREATION AREA AND IT'S CURRENTLY THOUGHT TO BE IN TWO PHASES WITH THE NORTH PHASE BEING NUMBER ONE AND THE BOTTOM PHASE BEING NUMBER TWO.

YOU HAD FOR YOU THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT SHOWS THE LOCATION, THE OSMOSIS DRIVE EXTENSION.

THE RECREATIONAL TRACK AND THE ONE ACRE OF COMMERCIAL.

THIS DOES REQUIRE A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN BEFORE THE ZONING BECOMES EFFECTIVE.

THAT'S PAGE TWO.

THIS WAS DONE BY KIMLEY-HORN.

AND CHRIS OSIAS IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS.

IT DOES SHOW THE NORTH LOT COUNT OF 62 LOTS, THE SOUTH COUNT OF 57 LOTS.

IT SHOWS THE SITE DATA WITH THE MINIMUM LOT AREA IS REQUIREMENTS AND PROVIDED IT HAS THE MINIMUM WIDTH DEPTH.

THE MINIMUM WIDTH WIDTH.

THE BUILDING COVERAGE.

THE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT.

I BELIEVE THOSE ARE.

AND THEN YOU HAVE THE BUILDING SETBACKS, THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS.

AGAIN, THIS IS A PRELIMINARY CONCEPT PLAN, A PDP, BUT THAT'S PART OF WHAT HAS TO BE APPROVED FOR THE ZONING TO ULTIMATELY GO TO PWD.

THERE WAS A CITIZEN PARTICIPATION MEETING THAT WAS HELD ON APRIL 26 AND THERE WERE 16 PEOPLE THAT SHOWED UP.

IT HAS BEEN PRESENTED.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL HAVE IT, BUT MR. AUSSIES BEHIND ME HAS LED THAT MEETING.

I APOLOGIZE. IT'S IT'S BEEN A LONG EVENING.

AND SO HE CAN TELL YOU ABOUT THE RESULTS OF THAT CITIZENS PARTICIPATION PLAN AND WHAT THEIR CONCERNS WERE AND WHAT THE DEVELOPER IS DOING ABOUT THOSE CONCERNS.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS CHRIS SOSA.

I AM THE ENGINEER OF RECORD FOR THIS PROJECT AND I APPRECIATE THE TIME OF THE BOARD.

TODAY I'M WORKING WITH PULTE HOME ON BRINGING THIS PROJECT TO YOU, TO THE BOARD AND TO THE CITY.

LIKE MR. ZENKO SAID, WE HAD A CITIZEN PARTICIPATION MEETING ON APRIL 26 AT THE TED WHITLOCK COMMUNITY CENTER, AND IT WAS ATTENDED BY APPROXIMATELY 16 NEIGHBORS PARTICIPATED IN THE MEETING WHERE WE PRESENTED THE PROJECT WITH SIMILAR GRAPHICS AND THE GRAPHIC THAT YOU GUYS HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU. AND WE HAD AN OPEN FORUM TO DISCUSS THE PROJECT ITSELF.

SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT CAME OUT OF THE DISCUSSION WITH THE NEIGHBORS WAS WHAT WERE THE INTENTS FOR COMMERCIAL? SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SEEN MORE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT INSTEAD OF SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA.

WE DISCUSSED HOW PULTE WAS PROPOSING THE PARCEL AS AS COMMERCIAL IN ORDER TO BRING A LITTLE BIT OF THAT USE TO THE GROOT CORRIDOR.

THEY ASKED IF THERE WAS ANY PLANS FOR THE WIDENING OF THE GROUP.

THE PRELIMINARY TRAFFIC INVESTIGATION WAS COMPLETED BY LTG.

A FULL TRAFFIC STUDY IS BEING COMPLETED IN ORDER TO SEE WHAT THE IMPACTS ARE FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT TO THE AREA AND TO THE SURROUNDING ROADS.

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WE DID SPEAK WITH THE OWNER OF THE BAYSIDE DISCOVERY CENTER, WHICH IS OUR NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH.

SHE DISCOVERY COVE CENTER IS JUST WEDGED BETWEEN THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND OUR PROPOSED PROJECT, I BELIEVE.

SHE IS HERE? YES, BETSY.

SHE EXPRESSED HER CONCERN WITH THE PROXIMITY OF THE STORM WATER POND PROPOSED AND HER DEVELOPMENT.

WE DID COMMUNICATE TO HER THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE SOME APPROXIMATELY 40 TO 45 FEET SEPARATION BETWEEN THE PROPOSED POND AND HER.

BUSINESS. AND THERE'S ALSO AA6 FOOT FENCE PROPOSED TO FURTHER PROVIDE A BUFFER, ALONG WITH PROPOSED VEGETATION THAT WOULD BE ON THE SIDE OF THE PULTE HOME DEVELOPMENT.

ANOTHER ONE OF THE CONCERNS COMMUNICATED WAS JUST OVERALL INFRASTRUCTURE, HOW THE SURROUNDING INFRASTRUCTURE WAS GOING TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT A COMMUNITY OF THIS SIZE WITH REGARDS TO SCHOOLS, ROADS, WATER RUNOFF AS PART OF THE ENTITLEMENT PROCESS WITH CITY STAFF.

WE GO WE SUBMIT TO BREVARD COUNTY SCHOOLS FOR CONCURRENCY DETERMINATION.

I BELIEVE I SAW IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT THE BREVARD COUNTY SCHOOLS CAME BACK AND SAID THAT THEY WOULD THERE WAS CAPACITY IN THE SCHOOLS, SURROUNDING SCHOOLS TO BE ABLE TO MEET WITH THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT.

OBVIOUSLY, THE ROADS, THERE'S THE IMPROVEMENT AND THE RIGHT OF WAY, DEDICATION OF OSMOSIS, DRIVE AND THE CONNECTION.

SO THAT'S GOING TO BE AN IMPROVEMENT TO THE AREA.

AND THEN WATER AND STORMWATER THAT GETS WE'RE VERY PRELIMINARILY RIGHT NOW WITH THIS CONCEPT PLAN.

BUT WE'RE WE'VE ALREADY BEEN IN TALKS WITH PUBLIC WORKS ENGINEERING MELBOURNE TILMAN CANAL.

SO WE'LL THE DESIGN AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THIS TYPE OF COMMUNITY IS GOING TO BE MEET AND EXCEED THE REGULATIONS FOR THAT TYPE OF USE. LASTLY, THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE EASTERN BOUNDARY OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT ABUTTING THE BELMONT TILGHMAN CANAL. WE HAD SEVERAL NEIGHBORS FROM THE BAYSIDE LAKES COMMUNITY JUST TO THE EAST ACROSS THE CANAL IN ATTENDANCE DURING THE PARTICIPATION MEETING. WE DID COMMUNICATE TO THEM THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE A FENCE PROPOSED ALONG THE ENTIRE NORTH SOUTH SIDE OF THE EASTERN BOUNDARY, ALONG WITH.

LANDSCAPING IN ORDER TO PROVIDE A BUFFER.

SO THE FOLKS ACROSS THE CANAL WON'T SEE THE HOMES, THEY'LL SEE THE FENCE TO KIND OF HELP MITIGATE THAT.

AND IT'S OBVIOUSLY IT'S A WANT FROM OUR CLIENT TO HAVE THAT TYPE OF SEPARATION WITH THE FENCE.

AND THEN LASTLY, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION WITH REGARDS TO A PROPOSED TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT DEGROOT AND OSMOSIS.

AGAIN, AT THIS TIME, WE DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GOING TO BE NEEDED AS WE GET FURTHER ALONG WITH THE ENGINEERING PROCESS AND THE TRAFFIC STUDY WILL BE ABLE TO DETERMINE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE REQUIRED OR NOT.

SO THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH IT WE HAD.

I THOUGHT IT WAS A PRODUCTIVE MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND IT WAS WELL ATTENDED.

SO.

I. I THINK IT'S MORE IT'S PROBABLY YEAH.

ROUGHLY 100 FEET OF RIGHT AWAY BETWEEN THE MOMENT.

TILLMAN CANAL RIGHT AWAY.

MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT MORE.

ONE ENCROACH INTO THEIR RIGHT AWAY, WILLY.

NO, BUT YOU HAVE TWO OUTFALL STRUCTURES FROM TWO RETENTION PONDS.

WELL, THAT DRAIN INTO MILBORNE CANAL NUMBER 37.

YEAH, THEY'RE BOTH. WELL, YOU'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH MILBORNE.

YES. I ASSUME WE'VE BEEN IN A LOT OF DISCUSSION.

WAS MIKE MCCABE THERE? THAT'S OF CONCERN TO ME.

PRISON AND THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS? YES. GENTLEMEN, SO I ASSUME YOU'VE TALKED TO MIKE MCCABE, AN ENGINEER? YEAH. HE WAS ONE OF THE FIRST PHONE CALLS THAT WE MADE.

SO. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. OR MRS. ROSENKER? I'M NOT FINISHED. I WAS JUST I WAS.

IT WAS PART OF THE PRESENTATION.

IT WAS JUST BECAUSE WE DID THE CITIZENS.

AND THE REASON I ASKED ABOUT THE MELVIN TILLMAN CANAL, I UNDERSTOOD IT WAS AT LEAST 100 FEET.

SO I WANTED TO SHOW THAT THERE WAS A BUFFER FROM THE SUBDIVISION TO THE EAST.

CARL WAS. SO THE REQUEST OF PULTE HOME BEFORE YOU ARE TWO.

ONE IS THE SMALL SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

LAND USE. RURAL SINGLE FAMILY TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

AND THEN THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO APPROVE A PROPOSED PWD FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS.

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BOTH HAVE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS OF APPROVAL, BOTH CITIES COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS DETAILED IN THE STAFF REPORTS AS TO THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION ONE 85.066 OF THE CITY CODE.

THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE THE MIDDLE OF THE FINAL PWD APPLICATION.

I'M ASSUMING THIS IS APPROVED AND BOTH ARE APPROVED AND MAKES IT MAKE THEM THROUGH CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL.

SO WE WOULD REQUEST APPROVAL OF CP 21 TO 22, THE FUTURE LINE USED TO SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL AND PDP 21 202 TO THE APPROVAL OF PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

AND AGAIN, WE HAVE MR. BAILEY WITH PULTE HOMES.

MR. OSIAS AND WE ALSO HAVE THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER, IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

AND ALSO, I WOULD ASK TIME FOR REBUTTAL AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. ROSENKER, RANDALL? YES, SIR. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

OSMOSIS DRIVE.

WHO PAYS FOR THE CULVERT OVER THE CANAL? I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S BEEN DECIDED YET.

HAS IT? OKAY.

AND IT'D BE ASSUMPTIVE FROM THERE FORWARD.

BUT WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING IS THAT YOU'LL COME UP TO BASICALLY YOUR YOUR INTERSECTION OR YOUR FOUR WAY DURING THE CONSTRUCTION OF YOUR PHASE ONE.

AND THEN WHEN YOU TAKE ON PHASE TWO, IT'LL BE WHEN YOU SET OUT TO CREATE THAT FURTHEST SOUTHEAST PORTION OF THE ROAD AND HITCH UP TO A CULVERT THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO END UP BUILDING. SORRY I'M BEING ASSUMPTIVE, BUT CORRECT.

AND IT'S THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND THAT IS IT'S GOING TO BE MORE ENGINEERING AND MORE PERMITTING THE RESULT OF THE BOX CULVERT.

SO OUR CLIENT WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF GET THEIR PROJECT GOING, BUILD THE PHASE ONE OF OSMOSIS AND GET THE DEVELOPMENT GOING WHILE WE'RE WORKING ON THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE PERMITTING OF OSMOSIS AND THE ULTIMATE COLLECTION TO THE SOUTHEAST.

AND WHEN THE PROJECT'S COMPLETELY DONE, IT WOULD BE YOUR INTENTION THEN TO TURN OVER OSMOSIS, DRIVE TO THE CITY, BUT KEEP YOUR ROADS INTERNAL TO THE HOA THAT EXISTS.

CORRECT. GOT YOU.

AND THEN WHEN YOU DO TURN THAT ROAD OVER TO THE CITY, WILL YOU TURN OVER AND OR DONATE ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY? YOU MENTIONED THE IDEA THAT THE ROAD WILL GO IN AS A TUNE LANE, BUT IT RIGHT OFF THE JUMP BE SET UP FOR FOUR LANE.

SO THE INTENT IS TO DEDICATE 100 FEET OF RIGHT AWAY FOR US MOST DRIVE AND DESIGN IT AS A TWO LANE ROADWAY WITH.

CONSIDERATION OF FUTURE EXPANSION WHENEVER THE CITY COMES TO THAT DECISION.

SO YEAH, THAT'S BASICALLY THE THE INTENT BEHIND THAT.

IT'S 100 FEET RIGHT AWAY.

I MEAN, THAT'S AND THE 100 FEET OF THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND 100 FEET OF RIGHT AWAY IS TO MEET THE CITY'S MAJOR COLLECTOR.

TYPICAL SECTION, WHICH REQUIRES 100 FEET.

GOT YOU. UNDERSTAND.

AND WHAT JUNCTURE DO YOU THINK THAT THE CONVERSATION AROUND THE THE LIGHT AT OSMOSIS IN DEGROOT WILL BECOME A LOT MORE RELEVANT? BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WE'RE EARLY IN THE PROCESS NOW, BUT AT WHAT POINT IN THE PROCESS DO YOU THINK THAT IT REALLY WILL BE CONSIDERED AND TALKED ABOUT? AND THE IDEAS OF WHAT'S GOING IN ON THE OTHER PORTION OF OSMOSIS ARE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT AND THINGS OF THE SORT.

WELL THE FIRST STEP IS THE TRAFFIC STUDY.

YEAH. AND THEN IT'LL BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION A LITTLE BETTER.

MR. JOSH BLACK.

JOSH BLACK. 1049 EBER SO ESSENTIALLY HOW THE PROCESS WORKS IS WE DO A TRAFFIC STUDY WHICH DETERMINES OFF SITE IMPROVEMENTS AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS, POTENTIAL PROP SHARE.

AND ONCE WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS ARE, WE WILL GO THROUGH WITH A SIGNAL ANALYSIS, WORK WITH CITY STAFF TO DETERMINE THE NEEDS OF THE INTERSECTION. SO FAR IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE ENOUGH CAPACITY WON'T BE NEEDED, BUT WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL WE GET TO THE FORMAL STUDY PORTION.

THIS IS JUST THE REZONING.

THANK YOU, SIR. I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND MR. CHAIR, IF YOU'LL ENTERTAIN ME FOR JUST A MOMENT, I JUST WANT TO STATE TO THE APPLICANT KIND OF IN RESPONSE TO THAT, THAT A FEAR THAT I HAVE THAT I WANT TO SHARE, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THE RESIDENTS OF THIS CITY ALSO HAVE IT IS WHEN WE GET DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THIS AND WE LOOK AT ROAD CAPACITY AVAILABILITY AS FAR AS MODERN DAY AND MEASURING THE TRIPS AND MEASURING THE TRIPS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE PAST, IT'S SUCH A GROSS UNDERSTATEMENT OF WHAT THE ACTUAL NEED IS GOING TO BE BY THE TIME TO KEEP IT GERMANE TO YOUR PROJECT. BY THE TIME YOUR PROJECT IS DONE, YOU WILL BE ASTOUNDED TO SEE THE ADDITION OF TRAFFIC THAT COMES ON TO GROUP AND THAT WILL ESSENTIALLY COME ON OSMOSIS. THIS EVENING WE ENTERTAINED A MOTION FOR A DEVELOPMENT ON OSMOSIS AND COGAN IT LOGIC IS GOING TO SAY THAT THOSE FOLKS ARE GOING TO START USING DEGROOT AS A THOROUGHFARE. THESE KIDS ARE GOING TO GET TO BAYSIDE HIGH SCHOOL VIA DEGROOT.

THEY'RE GOING TO GET TO DISCOVERY CENTER VIA DEGROOT.

SO I MEAN, I KNOW GOING INTO IT, YOU KNOW THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET TRAFFIC ON THIS ROAD.

THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE BENEFITS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SELL.

SO IT'S JUST OVERARCHING.

WE HAVE TO WE CAN'T LOOK AT DEGROOT IN OSMOSIS AND SAY, WELL, THERE'S SO MUCH EXISTING CAPACITY NOW, NOW WE DON'T NEED A TRAFFIC LIGHT BECAUSE THEN UNFORTUNATELY WHAT'S GOING TO

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AND IT'S THE INTENTION OF EVERYONE THAT'S INVOLVED.

NOW, I'LL SPEAK FREELY TO SAY TO NOT HAVE THAT HAPPEN WORSE TO US TOMORROW WHEN WE'RE IN THESE BOOM TIMES.

THANK YOU, SIR. YEAH, I MEAN, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WAS COMMUNICATED FROM CITIZEN PARTICIPATION.

THANK YOU. WELL, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO JUST REEMPHASIZE IT AND JUST TRY TO FRAME THE SITUATION OF HOW EXCITING THE GROWTH IN THE SOUTHWEST PORTION IS, ALSO HOW INTIMIDATING IT IS GIVEN ITS CURRENT STATE AND ANY SORT OF MEASUREMENTS ON ITS CURRENT STATE JUST QUITE FRANKLY, WON'T BE ACCURATE.

WE ALL KNOW THAT THAT AS THIS AREA DEVELOPS, THINGS WILL BE FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT.

SO THANK YOU. YEAH.

QUESTION JUST TO STAFF IN TERMS OF WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT TRAFFIC STUDY AND MAYBE YOU CAN SPEAK TO THAT, HOW IT'S DONE, BECAUSE I DO KNOW IT'S NOT JUST WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW, BUT LOOKING AT THE FUTURE.

ALL RIGHT. SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS THE CITY OF PALM BAY IS ESTABLISHED, A SET OF TRAFFIC STUDY GUIDELINES BASICALLY DEPENDENT ON THE DENSITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

SO THEY SAY, OKAY, IF YOU GENERATE X NUMBER OF TRIPS, YOU NEED TO ANALYZE THE ROADWAY SEGMENTS AND INTERSECTIONS WITHIN X MILE RADIUS.

IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IT SHOULD BE ABOUT ONE MILE JUST BECAUSE IT'S A LOW TRIP GENERATION BY COMPARISON TO LIKE A COMMERCIAL PARCEL.

AND SO ONCE WE GO TO THAT, THEN THE CITY PROVIDES US WITH VESTED PROJECTS.

SO ALL THE PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE HOPPER BEFORE WE GET HERE, WE ADD THOSE TO THE STUDY AND LOOK AT THE IMPACTS AFTER ALL, AS ALL DEVELOPED.

BUT I MEAN, THEY HAVE A PRETTY THOROUGH PROCESS IN TERMS OF AGENCIES AND SO WE STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH STAFF LEVEL APPROVALS FOR TRAFFIC.

Q THANK YOU, MR. BLACK. YOU HAD ANOTHER QUESTION? YEAH. JUST REGARDS TO THE COMMERCIAL PARCEL.

YES, MA'AM. I APPLAUD YOU FOR THE ATTEMPT OF HAVING A LITTLE COMMERCIAL.

BUT DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THEN THAT'S ADEQUATE? AND WHY WOULDN'T YOU EVEN CONSIDER AN EXPANSION OF MORE COMMERCIAL ALONG THAT SECTION WITHIN YOUR DEVELOPMENT? I'LL LET MR. BAILEY ANSWER THAT.

I KNOW THAT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

DID HAVE THAT AREA DESIGNATED AS COMMERCIAL.

SO TO KEEP SOME OF THAT INTENT THAT WAS THERE BEFORE.

GOOD EVENING. SHAUN BAILEY PULLED YOU HOME FOR 9011 AND RODE ORLANDO IN OUR PRE-APPLICATION WITH SAFF.

THEY HAD ALSO EXPRESSED WE WANT TO KEEP SOME OF THAT COMMERCIAL.

SO IN DEVELOPING THE POD, WE'RE NOT A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPER.

WE DEVELOP HOMES, BUT WE, WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE IT ON THE HEART CORNER THERE.

WE THINK AN ACRE IS A VIABLE PIECE FOR OUR FUTURE.

WHOEVER IT MAY BE, IT WON'T BE US BECAUSE WE DO NOT DEVELOP A COMMERCIAL.

BUT WE FEEL LIKE THAT PIECE IS A GOOD KIND OF LIKE.

GIVE AND TAKE. SO WE'RE LEAVING THE COMMERCIAL THERE FOR A FUTURE COMMERCIAL BECAUSE WE KNOW IT'S NEEDED IN THE AREA.

I BELIEVE ALL THE ALSO THE OTHER TWO ON THE OTHER SIDE OF OF DEGROOT, THOSE TWO PIECES ARE ALSO COMMERCIAL.

SO THERE'S FUTURE COMMERCIAL THERE SITTING AND WAITING FOR IT TO BE BUILT AS WELL.

YOU OWN THE OTHER TWO OR.

NO, NO, I'M JUST SAYING ON THE ON THE CITY MAPS.

OK. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE TO FEEL A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT I UNDERSTAND.

YOUR OTHER QUESTIONS. THE SONG.

YEAH, I'M. I'M UNCLEAR.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WHERE DOES OSMOSIS WHERE IS IT PLANNED TO RUN THROUGH? IT LOOKS LIKE IT GOES IN BEHIND A BASS SIDE LAKES NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT GOES IN FRONT OF THE UTILITY DEPARTMENT.

WHERE DOES IT TIE INTO FROM THERE? LIKE WHAT? DO YOU HAVE A BIGGER, BROADER MAP? I THINK IT TIES INTO COGAN, I BELIEVE TO THE TO THE WHERE THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT WAS THAT WAS IN THE AGENDA EARLIER.

THAT'S PART OF THE EXTENSION FROM COGAN TO THE GROUP.

VISUAL. I HAVE A BETTER VISUAL NOW.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTION? THANK YOU, SIR. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS APPLICATION? WELL. GILBERT IN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST.

THIS IS ONE OF THOSE. ONE MORE FOR FOR BATON.

THAT'S A PLUS AND A MINUS WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT IT.

SO I WANT TO TRY AND MAKE SURE WE GET.

TRY AND HELP YOU.

HELP ME MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS FOR THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

CONNECTION OF OSMOSIS.

EXCUSE ME TO DE GROOT IS GOING TO BE A PLUS FOR SOME PEOPLE.

IT'S GOING TO BE A HINDRANCE FOR OTHER PEOPLE.

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IS MADDEN FINISHED? WELL, CURRENTLY OUT ON THAT SOUTH WEST SIDE OF TOWN, WHAT'S CURRENTLY HAPPENING IS THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING DOWN DOWN TO MADDEN TO GET TO THE CONNECTION THAT GOES UP GAYNOR ROAD TO CONNECT TO GARVEY AND ALL THAT TRAFFIC BECAUSE THERE IS NO CONNECTION ON GARVEY. ALL THAT TRAFFIC.

AND I MEAN, MAJOR COLLECTION TRAFFIC IS RUNNING DOWN LOCAL ROADS.

I DON'T EVEN MINOR COLLECTOR.

I MEAN MINOR JUST YOUR REGULAR REGULAR ROAD.

NOT EVEN A MINOR COLLECTOR.

ALL TRAFFIC IS BEING ROUTED TO THAT, WHICH IS INCLUDING ALL YOUR CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS AND EVERYTHING.

AND ALL THE BUILDING MATERIAL IS BEING ROUTED DOWN YOUR LOCAL ROAD, NOT YOUR COLLECTOR ROADS.

WHEN AND IF THIS HAPPENS, WHERE YOU CONNECT OSMOSIS FROM BAYSIDE LAKES TO DEGROOT TO OSMOSIS, YOU'VE NOW ADDED ALL THAT OTHER POTENTIAL PROPERTY WITH NO COLLECTOR ROADS WEST OF DEGROOTE ROAD.

SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE FACING WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS.

THAT'S THAT TO ME IS GREAT.

WE'RE CONNECTING A ROAD.

WE'RE GOING TO HELP THE RESIDENTS IN BAYSIDE THAT DON'T WANT TO GO PAST THE SCHOOL.

AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO AVOID.

THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO WAIT AT THE SCHOOL.

I'M SORRY WE PUT THE SCHOOL IN THERE SO THAT THEY WOULD HAVE A PLACE TO SEND THEIR KIDS WHEN THEY MOVED THERE.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE PROCESSES THAT YOU HAVE TO FACE.

I DON'T WANT TO BE BY THE SCHOOL, BUT I WANT TO HAVE A SCHOOL FOR MY KIDS.

SO I'M GOING TO FIND THE LOCAL STREETS AND GET AROUND IT.

AND THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING TO A TO MAJOR DETRIMENTAL IMPACT ON THE RESIDENTS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD.

THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING. SCHOOL IS ALREADY ROUTING PEOPLE THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE NEXT QUESTION THAT COMES OUT OF THAT ONE WAS.

IF BY CHANCE THIS GETS PASSED ON THE BRIDGE THAT'S CROSSING THE TILLMAN CANAL OR THE CULVERT BOXES PASSING, IS THERE GOING TO BE A. OWNER IMPACT YOUR APPORTION PROPORTIONAL IMPACT THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO PAY FOR THIS BRIDGE BECAUSE THIS CONNECTION FOR THEM IS ALSO TO THEIR BENEFIT. IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SAME THING FOR GARVEY ROAD OR WE WANT THE BUILDER WHO'S BENEFITING FROM IT, IF THEY'RE GOING TO BENEFIT, THEY SHOULD BE PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE. IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE ONE BUILDER PAY THE WHOLE THING, CULVERTS FROM GARVEY TO MAJOR CONNECTION DOWN TO BOMBARDIER, THEN WE SHOULD KIND OF BE EXPECTING THE SAME THING FROM OTHER DEVELOPERS ALSO, IF NOT AT LEAST THEIR FAIR SHARE PORTION TO COVER OF THE CULVERT BOX.

ITEM NUMBER THREE.

ZONING OF THIS ONE IS CURRENTLY RURAL SINGLE FAMILY.

PEOPLE THAT KNOW ME, I'M A FIRM BELIEVER IN RURAL RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS ONE HOUSE PER ACRE.

THIS IS CURRENTLY ZONED RURAL SINGLE FAMILY, WHICH IS ONE HOUSE PER FIVE ACRES.

SO IT'S I'M WANTING TO KEEP SOME OF THAT GREEN SPACE.

THIS WOULD MAKE A GORGEOUS NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE SOME BEAUTIFUL HOMES ON FIVE ACRE SITES WITH YOU JUST SAYING, NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO LET YOU CHANGE THE ZONING. YOU WILL HAVE BEAUTIFUL SIGHTS TO WHERE SOME PEOPLE COULD BUILD SOME BEAUTIFUL HOMES, WHICH ARE JUST TO EVEN TO THE DEVELOPMENT JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THIS ONE THAT HAS THAT BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD THERE ALSO.

SO IT WOULD BE CONGRUENT.

SO IF YOU JUST SAID, NO, DON'T LET THEM CHANGE THE ZONING, BUT THAT'S UP TO YOU BECAUSE OF THE THEY CAN ONLY BUILD RIGHT NOW ONE HOUSE PER FIVE ACRES IN THAT DEVELOPMENT AND THAT'S THE WAY IT ZONE NOW.

I THINK THAT COVERED ALL OF THEM AND WASN'T SURE IF IT WILL EVER HAPPEN, BUT IT DOES MAKE SENSE EVEN THOUGH I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT, TO HAVE A SECONDARY ROUTE COMING OUT OF BAYSIDE LAKES OVER TO DE GROOT.

I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT, BUT IT DOES MAKE SENSE.

THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK, MA'AM? DO THEY? EITHER WAY.

HI. MY NAME'S LESLIE ASPINWALL, AND I LIVE AT 2 TO 5 BRANDY CREEK CIRCLE.

IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT PALM BAY IS CONSIDERING REZONING THIS LAND FROM RURAL, SINGLE FAMILY TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USE.

MY HOME WILL BACK UP TO THE PROPOSED HOUSING DEVELOPMENT.

I'VE LIVED THERE SINCE 2009.

I'VE SEEN THIS AREA GROW AND DEVELOP IN RECENT MONTHS.

I BELIEVE THE GROWTH HAS SURPASSED THE AVAILABLE INFRASTRUCTURE.

I SEE NEW RESIDENTS UNABLE TO SECURE LOCAL DOCTORS, VETS, GROOMERS.

I SEE FULL GROCERY STORES, SHOPS AND RESTAURANTS.

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WHAT ABOUT THE WATER SUPPLY NEEDS? HOW WILL THE INCREASED TRAFFIC BE HANDLED IN AN AREA THAT ALREADY HAS OVERCROWDED STREETS AT TIMES? WHAT ABOUT EVACUATION IN AN EMERGENCY? ON ANOTHER NOTE, THE CANAL BEHIND MY HOME IS ALREADY AT CAPACITY AT TIMES DURING STORMS. FLOODING IS A CONCERN FOR MY HOME AS WELL AS MY NEIGHBORS.

PERSONALLY, I'M SAD ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF LOSING THIS PRETTY BEAUTIFUL GREEN SPACE.

IT IS HOME TO A LOT OF WILDLIFE THAT MY FAMILY ENJOYS SEEING.

PALM BAY MOTTO IS A GREAT PLACE TO GROW.

ON BEHALF OF MYSELF AND MY NEIGHBORS, I ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER DISAPPROVING THE REZONING OF THIS PROPERTY SO THAT PALM BAY CAN RESPONSIBLY GROW.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

MY NAME IS BETSY TRIBE, AND I'M HERE JUST TO REPRESENT THE SCHOOL THAT I OWN.

BAYSIDE DISTRICT. WE HAVE 97 STUDENTS AND I'M CONCERNED, LIKE THE GENTLEMAN SAID, THERE'S PROS AND CONS TO ALL THE GROWTH, BUT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IT BEING A 1.93 ACRE RETENTION POND LAKE THAT'S GOING TO BACK RIGHT UP TO OUR BUSINESS.

AND SO I KNOW THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT HAVING A SIX FOOT FENCE AND VEGETATION, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST AN EIGHT FOOT WALL BECAUSE I THINK THAT WITH WATER THERE, IT'S GOING TO BE VISIBLE EVEN WITH THE SIX FOOT FENCE, IT COULD GET BLOWN DOWN OR ANYTHING.

SO I WOULD DEFINITELY I'M NOT AGAINST THE PROJECT, BUT I DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE A WALL PUT UP.

THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISH TO SPEAK, MA'AM? CAROL DOUGLAS 201 BRANDI CREEK CIRCLE.

MY FIRST CONCERN IS PERSONAL.

I. NAMES.

PLEASE SPEAK AT THE PODIUM SO WE CAN HEAR YOU.

HERE IT IS RIGHT THERE.

AND I'M GOING TO LOOK AT THAT ROAD.

NOW, I KNOW YOU ALL WANT OSMOSIS, BUT I'M GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR MY BACKYARD AT A ROAD THAT'S GOING TO HAVE BUSSES, TRUCKS, CARS.

AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT EVEN EXPANDING THAT ROAD.

WE SPEND A LOT OF MONEY WE SAVED TO GET A HOUSE IN BRANDY CREEK IN BAYSIDE LAKES, WHICH WAS A LITTLE UPSCALE FOR US.

AND AT THE TIME WE HAD THE HOUSE BUILT WHEN THAT DEVELOPMENT FIRST WENT IN.

IT WAS THE BEST YOU COULD GET DOWN IN THE SOUTHERN BEFORE A SOUTHERN PALM BAY.

OUR PROPERTY VALUES ARE GOING TO GO DOWN BECAUSE NOBODY IS GOING TO PAY MARKET VALUE FOR A HOUSE WHERE THEY CAN SEE TRAFFIC GOING IN THEIR BACKYARD.

IS THE TOWN OR THE DEVELOPER GOING TO PUT UP LELAND CYPRESS OR I KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO PUT UP A FENCE ON THE PROPERTY, BUT YOU HAVE A ROAD IN ALMOST MY BACKYARD AND I'LL BE ABLE TO LOOK AT IT AND I WANT SOME KIND OF VEGETATION OR SOMETHING THAT I DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR SO I DON'T HAVE TO.

OTHERWISE THE HOUSE I'M NOT EVEN WORTH I HAVE ONE OF THE I HAVE THE BIGGEST LOT IN FOREST GLEN.

I PAY A PREMIUM FOR THAT IN TAXES AND AND ALL KINDS OF ASSESSMENT.

BUT I WON'T BE ABLE TO RECOUP IT BECAUSE NOBODY'S GOING TO BUY THAT IF I WANT TO SELL IT, BECAUSE THEY CAN SEE BAD ENOUGH, THEY CAN HEAR AND MAYBE SMELL THE THE EXHAUST, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO SEE THE BUSSES, THE TRUCKS, THE CARS BACK AND FORTH.

AND AS YOU SAID, EVERYBODY HERE SAID, OH, THEY'RE GOING TO USE THAT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO GET TO DEGROOT OR AWAY FROM IT.

I UNDERSTAND, BUT IT'S IMPACTING US, TOO, AND OTHER PEOPLE THAT LIVE ALONG THE CANAL THERE.

I'VE SEEN THAT CANAL DURING HURRICANES ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP, NOT TO THE ONE LEVEL, TO THE TOP WITH WATER.

AND AS I MENTIONED IN THE MEETING WITH THESE GENTLEMEN.

THAT PROPERTY IS RIGHT NOW GORGEOUS IT'S PALM TREES IT'S A THERE DEAR.

SOME MORNINGS I COME OUT IN THERE'S FOUR OR FIVE DEER OVER THERE.

BEAUTIFUL. WELL, WHEN IT RAINS AND YOU HAVE THE FLOODS, THE HURRICANES, THE CANAL FILLS UP AND YOU'VE GOT ALL THAT VEGETATION EATING UP THE WATER.

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE THE HARDSCAPE, THE ROADS, THE HOUSES, THE DRIVEWAYS AND EVERYTHING RUNNING INTO THE CANAL? IT'S NOT GOING TO JUST IT'S GOT TO GO SOMEWHERE.

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THE VALUE OF MY HOME.

NO ONE'S GOING TO CARE.

BUT I EXPECT THEN THAT MY ASSESSED VALUE WILL GO DOWN BECAUSE I'M LIVING IN A TRAFFIC ZONE.

THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE, SIR? MATT RUSS 2130 WIND BROOK DRIVE IN THE SUMMERFIELD SUBDIVISION AT BAYSIDE LAKES.

AT THE.

PREVIOUS TOURS, THREE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS.

OUR PRESIDENT OF THE ZOA HAS MADE PRESENTATIONS ABOUT THE DANGERS OF BAYSIDE LAKES, WHERE IT MEETS EMERSON AND THE NUMBER OF DEATHS THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE THERE IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

YOU'VE GOT THE THIRD OR FOURTH MOST DANGEROUS STRETCH OF ROAD IN PALM BAY ON THAT CORNER.

WE SEE ALMOST ON A MONTHLY BASIS TRAFFIC, THE STREET LIGHTS, THE SPEED LIMIT SIGNS, EVEN THE FLASHING SIGN THAT TELLS YOU TO SLOW DOWN HAS BEEN TAKEN OUT BY A CAR GOING THROUGH THERE. THERE'S A A FIRE HYDRANT RIGHT ON THE CORNER OF THE ENTRANCE OF SUMMERFIELD THAT HAS BEEN TAKEN OUT. NOW, THAT IS WHERE THE KIDS IN THE MORNING ARE STANDING THERE WAITING TO CATCH THE BUS.

ALL RIGHT. SO WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET THE CITY AND THE POLICE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY CAN DO TO ACCOMMODATE AND MAKE THAT A MUCH SAFER PASS THROUGH.

NOW, WHAT WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT.

IS THREE SITUATIONS THAT COMPOUND THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC THROUGH THAT CORNER.

YOU MAY NOT THINK THE GRAVELY ONE THAT WAS PRESENTED IN THAT ROAD.

WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO? THEY'RE GOING TO CONNECT TO BOMBARDIER.

YOU KNOW WHERE BOMBARDIER GOES WHEN IT GOES EAST, IT GOES RIGHT INTO BAYSIDE LAKES BOULEVARD.

MOST PEOPLE THAT WORK HERE WORK NORTH.

SO THEY'VE GOT TO GO OUT OF BAYSIDE LAKES AND THIS WHOLE AREA TO TRAVEL NORTH.

SO THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THAT CORNER.

WE TALKED ABOUT THE ONE THAT WAS THE CHURCH PROPERTY THAT IS NOW GOING TO BE 123 UNITS THERE ON THE CORNER OF COGEN AND OSMOSIS.

WHEN IT WAS A CHURCH THAT WAS GOING TO BE LOW TRAFFIC.

NOW YOU'RE GOING TO PUT 200 MORE CARS ON THE ROAD GOING UP.

COGAN MAKING A RIGHT TURN ON BAYSIDE LAKES TO GO UP TO EMERSON ON A NICE FOUR LANE.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GO STRAIGHT ON EL DRON.

THERE'S TWO SCHOOLS BEFORE YOU GET TO TO MALABAR, SO AND THEN THIS ONE IS GOING TO DO THE SAME THING.

THIS ONE IS EITHER IF YOU CONNECT THE OSMOSIS.

THEY'RE GOING TO GO OSMOSIS TO COGEN AND GO DO THE SAME THING.

IF YOU DON'T CONNECT IT, IT'S STILL GOING TO GO UP.

DEGROOT AND A LOT OF THAT TRAFFIC IS GOING TO TAKE A RIGHT TURN AND GO.

BAYSIDE. LAKES BOULEVARD.

AT THE SAME TIME, YOU'VE GOT NEW CONSTRUCTION FROM D.R.

HORTON THAT'S STILL BEING COMPLETED FOR 340 HOMES ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF STONE BRIER.

ALL OF THAT TRAFFIC IS GOING TO COME OUT ON KOGAN.

THAT'S THE ONLY WAY IT'S OUT.

SO. INDIVIDUALLY.

YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THESE EVENTS OR THESE OPPORTUNITIES FOR ZONING CHANGES AND SAY, YEAH, LET'S DO IT.

WHEN YOU CONSIDER WHAT YOU'VE APPROVED ALREADY WITH D.R.

HORTON, WHAT YOU GOT WITH THE FORMER CHURCH PROPERTY, WHICH YOU'VE GOT WITH THIS ONE AND THE ONE THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, FOR GRAVELY, YOU ARE COMPOUNDING A MAJOR, MAJOR TRAFFIC ISSUE ON BAYSIDE LAKES BOULEVARD.

SO I ASK YOU ALL TO REALLY.

PUT SOME EFFORT INTO THE PLANNING SIDE OF YOUR RESPONSIBILITY.

YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB TONIGHT.

HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT ZONE FREE ZONE, FREE ZONE.

FREE ZONE, FREE ZONE.

I HAVE NOT HEARD MUCH OF ANYTHING ABOUT THE PLANNING EXCEPT MR. RANDALL. OKAY.

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AND THAT'S BAYSIDE LAKES BOULEVARD.

YOU'RE CLOSE TO ABSOLUTELY RUINING WANTING TO LIVE IN BAYSIDE LAKES.

THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? SIR. PHILLIP CORCORAN, 1878 WYNN BROOK DRIVE.

AND I WAS JUST GETTING UP AS MATT WAS GETTING UP AND TO ECHO WHAT HE WAS SAYING, I LIVE ABOUT A HALF A MILE WAY AWAY FROM THAT INTERSECTION AND I SEE THE AMBULANCES TAKING OFF.

A LOT OF DESTRUCTION IN THAT AREA.

AND WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A MORATORIUM ON ANY DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA BECAUSE THERE IS A STUDY GOING ON BY THE CITY AND THE STATE TO CORRECT THAT SITUATION. YOU'D LIKE TO SEE A MORATORIUM UNTIL THAT SITUATION IS CORRECTED.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MA'AM.

MY NAME IS BONNIE BURL AND I LIVE AT 2 TO 9 BRANDY CREEK.

WHEN WE MOVED HERE 17 YEARS AGO, ALMOST 18 YEARS AGO, WE WERE TOLD THAT THAT AREA WAS A PRESERVE AND THAT THERE WOULDN'T BE ANYBODY BUILDING BEHIND US.

AND WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE OF THE VIEW THAT WE HAVE THE TREES, HOW LUSH IT IS, HOW NICE IT IS.

WE SIT OUT ON OUR BACK YARD AND WE CAN SEE THE DEER WHEN WE'RE OUT THERE.

SEVERAL YEARS BACK, IF YOU ALL REMEMBER THAT FIRE THAT CAME THROUGH, THAT WENT THROUGH THERE.

BUT NOW IT'S BEEN BUILT BY THE MEAN THE TREES AND THE PALM TREES AND WHATEVER CAME BACK.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS NOW RELATED TO THIS.

NOW, WHEN WE HAVE THE HURRICANES, THAT SIDE OF THE AREA IS THE PART THAT FLOODS THE MOST BECAUSE IT'S THE LOWER LEVEL.

OUR SIDE DOESN'T FLOOD NEAR AS MUCH.

SO TAKING ALL THAT TREES DOWN, TAKING ALL THE VEGETATION DOWN IS JUST GOING TO MAKE IT WORSE.

BUT NOT ONLY THAT, BAYSIDE LAKES AREA IN FRONT OF WHERE WE LIVE ON BRAMBLE CIRCLE WAS ALL WOODS.

THEY TOOK THOSE DOWN, THEY CUT THOSE TREES DOWN, THEY MADE PARKING, THEY MADE DRIVEWAYS AND MADE SIDEWALKS.

AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, BOOM, IT'S DONE.

IT STOPPED.

WE HAVE ALL THE TREES THAT WERE THERE THAT MADE IT REALLY NICE TO DRIVE INTO THAT AREA.

AND NOW WE LOOK AT AN EMPTY LOT THAT SOMETIMES IS OVERGROWN WITH WEEDS AND SOMETIMES IT'S OVERFLOWING WITH TRASH BECAUSE PEOPLE JUST GO OUT THERE AND USE IT FOR WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DUMP IN THERE. IS IT GOING TO HAPPEN OVER HERE IF THE MARKET SHOULD DECIDE TO GO AGAIN? ARE YOU GOING TO CUT ALL THOSE TREES DOWN AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE STUCK LOOKING AT.

AN EMPTY LAWN.

THAT WAS MY ONE QUESTION.

MY OTHER QUESTION IS, AS FAR AS EVERYBODY ELSE HAS SAID TONIGHT, TOO, IS IT WAS MENTIONED THAT NIGHT LAST WEEK OR THE WEEK BEFORE, WHENEVER THEY HAD THEIR MEETING, THAT THEY WOULD LEAVE SOME OF THE TREES IN THE BACK, PUTTING A SIX FOOT FENCE.

THAT'S I DON'T WANT TO LOOK AT A FENCE.

WHY WOULD I WANT TO LOOK AT A FENCE? I'D RATHER BE LOOKING AT THE TREES.

IT'S GOING TO BE AT LEAST SHOWING ME SOME BEAUTY AND SOME, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD YOU LIKE TO LOOK OUT YOUR BACKYARD AND SEE A FENCE? NO. I MEAN, YOU HAD THE BEAUTY OF THE CANAL AND YOU HAVE THAT YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE TREES, NOT A HOUSE.

AND IT WOULD BE BEST SUITED TO LEAVING IT AS A PRESERVE AND LET THE ANIMALS THAT ARE THERE, THE DEER, THE OTHER ANIMALS THAT ARE THERE, THE OWLS, THINGS ARE THERE THAT NEED TO BE THERE.

LEAVE THEM SOME TREES.

LEAVE THEM SOME LAND THAT THEY CAN BE ABLE TO TO HAVE.

WHEN WE CUT DOWN ALL THESE TREES AND TAKE AWAY THE LAND FOR THE ANIMALS, WHERE DO YOU EXPECT THEM TO GO? THEY'RE GOING TO WIND UP COMING INTO THE PEOPLE'S YARDS OR I MEAN, THERE'S PROBLEMS WITH BEARS ALREADY.

WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO? WHERE ARE THEY GOING IF WE KEEP TAKING AWAY THEIR HABITAT? AND THE TRAFFIC LIGHT.

THESE GENTLEMEN HAVE SAID BAYSIDE LAKES.

YOU CAN HEAR THE TRAFFIC ON A DAILY BASIS.

THEY'RE NOT GOING 40 MILES AN HOUR.

AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE ALL THESE OAK TREES THAT HAVE DEAD CROSSES AND STUFF ON IT, BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE HITTING THESE TREES.

THOSE TREES ARE THEY'RE THERE.

THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR 18 YEARS.

THOSE OAK TREES ARE NOT GOING TO GO ANYWHERE AND PEOPLE'S CARS ARE GOING TO HIT THEM AND THE TREES ARE GOING TO STAY THERE.

BUT THE PEOPLE ARE NOT.

IT'S STUPID TO BE PUTTING MORE HOUSES INTO A PLACE LIKE THAT AND TAKING AWAY ALL THIS STUFF WHEN YOU KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO COVER WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE HERE. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I MEAN, WE HAVE PUBLIX, ONE GROCERY STORE.

TO OCCUPY ALL OF THESE PEOPLE IN BAYSIDE LAKES AND THE SURROUNDING AREA, BECAUSE MOST OF THEM THAT ARE NEAR EMERSON AND THEY COME TO PUBLIX RIGHT HERE.

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WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF RESTAURANTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT BEFORE PIZZA PLACES.

BUT NOTHING ELSE IS COMING HERE BECAUSE IT CAN'T AFFORD IT.

BUT WE CAN PUT A HOUSE.

MORE HOUSES.

AND IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

IT JUST MEANS THAT YOU ALL NEED TO THINK TWICE BEFORE YOU ALLOW PEOPLE TO COME IN AND TAKE AWAY EVERYTHING LIKE THIS IF THERE'S NOTHING TO PUT IN ITS PLACE.

AND THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU, MA'AM.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO HAS SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO ADD? WELL, I'LL LET THE APPLICANT RESPOND, ASTRAZENECA.

AGAIN. KIM ROSENKER WITH LACY LANDS PRESENT ON BEHALF OF PULTE HOMES.

I BELIEVE MANY OF THESE THINGS THAT WERE RAISED TONIGHT, MR. OSWALT DISCUSSED IT. THEY HAD HEARD IN WHAT THE DEVELOPER WAS DOING GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO ABOUT IT REGARDING AN EIGHT FOOT WALL AND A MASONRY WALL.

WE NEED TO CHECK WITH THE CITY.

WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THAT'S POSSIBLE AT THIS POINT.

BUT THEY DO WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE IS SAFE AND THEY WILL MAKE SURE THAT THAT THE POND IS NOT GOING TO BE A DANGER OR A NUISANCE TO ANY CHILDREN THAT HAPPEN TO COME BY.

REGARDING THE CONCERNS ABOUT SEEING THE ROAD AND PROPERTY DEVALUATION.

AGAIN, THERE IS A LARGE CANAL BUFFER.

THE HOUSES HAVE BACKYARDS WITH TREES.

THERE ARE NICE PONDS.

THERE'S NICE TREES.

BUT THIS IS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.

AND SO IT'S BEING USED FOR THAT.

THE BENEFIT TO THE COUNTY OR TO THE CITY IS A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN THAT'S BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR MANY YEARS.

THEY DON'T WANT TO PUT THAT IN.

THEY DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR IT.

BUT THEY'VE BEEN ASKED TO DO IT.

AND THAT'S THE ONLY WAY TO GET TO GET THE HOMES IN THERE IS TO DO THE PWD.

SO THAT'S WHY THE IT'S IT'S A IT'S A BENEFIT TO THE CITY TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE THAT ROAD WHICH THE CITY TRAFFIC ENGINEER WANTS.

IN FACT, THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT MOVING THE ROAD CUT THROUGH ROAD, AND THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER GOT VERY UPSET WITH US THAT WE WOULD EVEN CONSIDER THAT, EVEN THOUGH IT MAY HAVE BEEN A GOOD PLANNING IDEA.

BUT THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN PLANNED FOR THE CITY TO HELP RELIEVE TRAFFIC.

AS TO THE FLOODING AND THE WATER CONCERNS.

AS YOU ALL KNOW, UNDER DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, IT HAS TO RETAIN ITS OWN WATER.

SO IT'S NOW FLOODING.

IT WILL STILL RETAIN THE WATER THAT IT'S HOLDING WHEN IT FLOODS.

THE ENGINEER CAN EXPLAIN THAT IF YOU NEED THEM TO, BUT THAT'S ALSO WHY THERE'S SIX PONDS.

I MEAN, THOSE WILL BE HOLDING WATER AND THAT WILL BE PART OF THE STORMWATER DRAINAGE SYSTEM THAT WILL NOT BE ABLE TO, BY LAW, TO IMPACT ANY OTHER NEIGHBORS.

REGARDING THE ROADS. I'LL BE HONEST, I DON'T KNOW ALL THESE ROADS.

I KNOW EMERSON IS QUITE A WAYS AWAY FROM HERE.

THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER SAID SOME OF THESE BRANDY WINES ARE FAR AWAY.

I DO UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU KEEP ADDING AND ADDING, BUT THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER EXPLAINED AND THE CITY STAFF HAS EXPLAINED, THOSE ARE TO BE INCORPORATED INTO ANY TRAFFIC STUDY.

AND THAT'S WHY THERE ARE TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES TO HELP ALLEVIATE THAT.

WHEN HOUSES COME IN, DEVELOPERS DO PAY AND THE DEVELOPER IS GOING TO HAVE TO PAY WHATEVER THE DEVELOPER CAN'T PAY.

IF THERE'S TURN LANES THAT THERE'S A STREET LIGHT, IF THERE'S A FAIR SHARE OF THE CULVERT BECAUSE IT BENEFITS THE PROPERTY, THAT'S ALL GOING TO BE REQUIRED.

WE JUST DON'T KNOW YET.

SO THE CITY STAFF WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT.

YOUR ENGINEERING STAFF IS EXCELLENT AT MAKING SURE THINGS ARE DONE CORRECTLY.

AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW ALL THE DEVELOPMENT.

I KNOW THERE'S ANOTHER PUBLIX COMING.

I DON'T KNOW HOW CLOSE IT IS TO HERE.

I THINK THAT'S BEEN OUT OF THE BAG.

BUT ONCE YOU HAVE MORE HOUSES, THEN MORE RETAIL COMES.

THAT'S NOT TOO EXPENSIVE.

THEY JUST HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE THAT GO TO THE STORES AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DEMOGRAPHICS ARE.

THAT'S NOT MY AREA. I DO MOSTLY SUBDIVISIONS, BUT WHEN YOU WHEN YOU PUT THE HOUSES IN THERE, MORE DOES COME.

AND I KNOW MORE IS COMING FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM OTHER DEVELOPERS.

SO WITH THAT WE SUBMIT IT'S A GOOD PROJECT.

IT'S 119 LOTS ON 44 ACRES, 2.75 UNITS PER ACRE.

THAT'S NOT A LOT WHEN IT COMES TO DENSITY.

THE GENERAL USE IS IS ONE UNIT PER ACRE THAT DID COME OVER FROM THE COUNTY.

RIGHT. THE COUNTY'S DESIGNATION.

SO IT HAS TO BE ZONED BEFORE WE CAN DO ANYTHING.

SO WE'RE GOING WITH THE ZONING, ASKING FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT AND THE APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH STILL HAS TO BE VETTED THROUGH THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND ALL OF THE ENGINEERS AND ALL OF THE IMPACT FEES.

BUT THEY ARE COMMITTED TO BUILDING THAT ROAD.

THANK YOU. HEY, THANK YOU, MR. ROSENKER. AT THIS POINT, I'LL CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR A MOTION.

JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT BEFORE THE MOTION IS MADE, I WOULD THINK.

BUT. I THINK BAYSIDE LIKE THIS.

THIS IS WITHIN THAT.

RIGHT NEXT TO THE BAYSIDE HIGH SCHOOL, WE HAVE THE THE DAYCARE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL CLOSE BY AS WELL.

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AND WE HAVE SOME VERY HIGHER DENSITY TYPE SUBDIVISIONS ALREADY IN BAYSIDE LAKES.

AND WHEN WE TAKE THESE LOWER DENSITIES, LIKE JUST TO THE JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THIS IS THAT STILLWATER LAKES, WHICH IS A MUCH LOWER DENSITY.

AND I THINK THIS WAS MEANT ORIGINALLY TO COINCIDE WITH THAT TYPE OF OF NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO I REALIZED THE CITY WANTS THIS OSMOSIS EXTENSION, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE SET A BAD PRECEDENT WHEN WE CHANGE THESE LOWER DENSITY AREAS TO HIGHER DENSITY.

AND THAT'S MY OPINION.

OR WE HAVE A MOTION.

MOTION TO APPROVE CP 2122 2022.

MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I CAN A MOTION FROM K SECOND FROM DAWN.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? WELL, THE ONLY THING I HAVE, I DEFINITELY ECHO THE CONCERN WITH MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBER AND I KNOW BILL MENTIONED IT AS WELL.

WE KEEP CHANGING THIS AND I DO HOPE THE CITY DO REALIZE THAT THERE ARE BENEFITS IN HAVING RURAL RESIDENTIAL.

THERE ARE BENEFITS TO HAVING ONE UNIT PER ACRE.

SO GOING FORWARD, WHEN WE DO HAVE SOME OF THESE, YOU KNOW, AREAS THAT NEED REZONING, WE MAY WANT TO ENCOURAGE OUR DEVELOPERS TO LOOK AT THOSE THINGS.

IT'S IN HIGH DEMAND FOR THOSE ONE ACRE LOTS.

HIGH DEMAND EVEN FOR FIVE ACRES.

SO JUST IMAGINE THE QUALITY THAT YOU COULD REALLY BRING HERE IN THE CITY.

EVERY TIME SOMEBODY WANTS ONE OF THOSE, THEY GO TO GRANTS.

THEY GO. SO WE GO TO THOSE LUXURIOUS DEVELOPMENTS, END UP GOING INTO ANOTHER CITY.

SO I DO HOPE CITY WILL REALLY, YOU KNOW, GOING FORWARD, LOOK TO ENCOURAGE OUR DEVELOPERS IN THAT WAY.

THANK YOU. AND TO JUST JUST TO KIND OF ADD TO THAT, THE SAME SAME THING.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANY ZONING THAT WOULD BE ATTRACTIVE TO SOME OF THE HOMEBUILDERS TO THAT WE COULD USE FOR ZONING.

THAT WOULD THAT WOULD KIND OF GIVE THAT KIND OF MIXED USE OR OR FOR THAT KIND OF A.

FIVE ACRES. I MEAN, I'VE SAID IT BEFORE PLENTY OF TIMES HOW ONE HOUSE ON FIVE ACRES VERSUS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO SOMEBODY.

I THINK THAT'S JUST LORIE IS A VICTIM, IN MY OPINION, TO THE RESIDENTS.

WHAT YOU ALL DON'T UNDERSTAND IS THAT A LOT OF THESE A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS THAT COME BEFORE US ON THIS BOARD ARE PROJECTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN IN THE WORKS PROBABLY ABOUT A YEAR OR TWO YEARS.

AND IT FINALLY COMES ACROSS THE BOARD A LOT OF TIMES, LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, A LOT OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS WERE DEVELOPED AROUND THE EXIT THAT JUST WENT INTO THE EXIT.

THE EXIT THAT WE HAVE FARTHER SOUTH, I THINK IS 179, 180, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT JUST SO THAT YOU GUYS HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING THAT THESE DON'T JUST POP UP OVERNIGHT, THESE ARE THINGS THAT TAKE A WHILE.

THESE ARE THINGS THAT JUST THAT DON'T THAT THAT THAT THAT ARE IN THE IN THE DEVELOPMENT PHASES.

AND WHEN IT WHEN IT COME TO US, A LOT OF TIMES THE CITY HAS ALREADY PUT OUT WHAT IS IT CALLED.

THE CITY HAS ALREADY PUT OUT WHERE THEY'RE WHERE THEY'RE ASKING FOR DEVELOPERS TO COME INTO THE CITY, TO CERTAIN AREAS TO HELP BUILD UP THAT AREA, BECAUSE THAT AREA NEEDS IT.

SO IN NO WAY, FORM OR FASHION DO I EVER WANT YOU WANT THE RESIDENTS TO FEEL AS THOUGH THAT WE SET UP HERE AND WE WE DON'T LISTEN.

ONE, WE DON'T TAKE AN ACCOUNT OF ANYTHING THAT YOU ALL SAY BECAUSE WE DO BECAUSE WE'RE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY, TOO.

AND WE SEE THE SAME THINGS THAT YOU SEE.

HOWEVER, WHEN, WHEN, WHEN WE, WHEN WE ARE IN THESE MEETINGS, WE WE HAVE A WE DO HAVE A JOB THAT WE HAVE TO PERFORM.

AND A LOT OF TIMES THE JOBS DO MEAN MAKING VERY, VERY HARD DECISIONS.

AND SOMETIMES THAT DO MEAN GOING AGAINST THE WISHES OF THE RESIDENTS.

SOMETIMES IT MEANS GOING AGAINST THE WISHES OF WHAT I REALLY WANT TO DO.

BUT WE'RE ALSO BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT THAT ZONING IS PLACED BEFORE US.

AND A LOT OF TIMES WE DO HAVE TO MAKE THE MAKE THE HARDER DECISION TO TO APPROVE SOME OF THESE ZONING THAT WE WE LEGALLY WE DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO DISAPPROVE.

SO I JUST I MEAN, SO IN ALL FAIRNESS, I JUST THINK THAT JUST WOULD LIKE FOR YOU ALL JUST TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND THAT THE POSITION THAT WE DO HOLD UP IS NOT ALWAYS AN EASY ONE.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? JUST BRIEFLY, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU, SIR.

I WILL SAY THAT I SHARE WITH MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS SOME SOME APPREHENSION ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND ABOUT THE DENSITY AND ESPECIALLY ABOUT INFRINGING UPON OUR

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THIS IS SOMETHING THAT ON THE BOARD YOU'LL HEAR ME TALK ABOUT AS A AS A AS A CITIZEN OUT THERE IN THE WORLD.

YOU HEAR ME TALK ABOUT, ESPECIALLY IN THE PUBLIC COUNCIL MEETING FORUMS, IS THE FACT THAT WE'RE UNDER OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REVIEW.

THE INITIAL FEEDBACK WAS THAT WE NEED MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT A LOT OF INITIAL FEEDBACK WAS THAT WE NEED MORE WHAT THEY CALL THE EXECUTIVE HOUSING.

AND IT'S HARD TO SAY IN THE SAME CONVERSATION THAT WE NEED HOUSES THAT THAT FOLKS WITH LESSER INCOMES CAN AFFORD, AS WELL AS FOLKS WITH SUBSTANTIALLY HIGH INCOMES.

BUT THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS, WE HAVE ALL THESE TECHNOLOGY COMPANIES AROUND US AND THEIR EXECUTIVES WANT AND NEED SOMEWHERE TO LIVE.

TO MS.. MIRAGES POINT, SHE'S A PRACTITIONER IN THE FIELD.

WHEN SOMEONE TELLS HER THAT THEY WANT SOMETHING BIG, SHE'S SHE'S GOING TO DRIVE SOUTH OF OUR CITY LINES, UNFORTUNATELY.

SO I DO THINK WE NEED TO REMAIN COGNIZANT OF IT ALL.

I AM GOING TO BE IN FAVOR OF THIS PARTICULAR MOTION ON THIS PARTICULAR PLAN, BUT THAT IS NOT TO DEMERIT ANY OF THE KEY THEMES THAT WE'RE BRINGING UP HERE ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE NEED TO BE VERY TACTFUL AND VERY COGNIZANT AS WE GO FORTH.

AND I JUST REALLY APPRECIATE THE FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS SENTIMENTS, ESPECIALLY MR. WARNER'S. I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT YOURS THAT WE GET PUT IN A TOUGH POSITION ON THIS BOARD AS FAR AS RECOMMENDING EITHER FOR APPROVAL OR FOR DENIAL TO THE COUNCIL, WHO, OF COURSE, SUBSEQUENTLY ACTUALLY MAKES THE DECISION.

WE GET PUT IN A TOUGH SPOT BECAUSE WE HAVE OUR PERSONAL OPINIONS, BUT TRULY THE DUTY OF THE BOARD IS NOT TO REPRESENT OUR PERSONAL OPINION, BUT TO REPRESENT WHAT FITS INTO THE PROGRAM.

AND AGAIN, TO MR. WARNER'S POINT, FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, WHAT DO WE HAVE TO STAND ON WHEN WE DO ASK ABOUT A DENIAL? AND THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO IN IN IN MORE CLEAR MOTION.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT.

ALL THAT SAID, MR. CHAIR, THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANT TO SAY IS I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY FOR EVERYONE ON THE BOARD SAKE ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT MY NAME IS RANDALL AND MY FAMILY NAME IS OLSZEWSKI.

IT IS NOT HARD TO SAY. IT IS VERY EASY TO SAY.

IT'S JUST INTIMIDATING. IT JUST LOOKS CRAZY.

IT'S ALL THOSE POLISH NAMES, ALL THOSE POLISH LETTERS.

IT IS OLSZEWSKI. I'M VERY PROUD OF MY FAMILY NAME.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE KNOWS HOW TO SAY IT.

RANDALL OLSZEWSKI.

THANK YOU, SIR. OKAY.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR. SAY I.

I ALL OPPOSED.

MOTION. MOTION CARRIES 5 TO 1 WITH ROBERT.

NINE. ALL RIGHT.

OUR NEXT CASE, PLEASE.

MR..

ANDERSON. ALL RIGHT.

FOR OUR NEXT CASE, WE HAVE THE SUBSEQUENT ZONING AMENDMENT FOR A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.

SO A PD 21, 2022.

AGAIN, IT IS LOCATED EAST OF AND ADJACENT TO DEGROOTE ROAD, SOUTHWEST AND IN THE VICINITY WEST OF BRANDY CREEK CIRCLE.

AND IT'S 43.55 ACRES.

THE FUTURE LAND USE IS RURAL, SINGLE FAMILY, COMMERCIAL AND ZONING IS DUE FOR GENERAL USE.

FOR THIS SPECIFIC REQUESTS, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE CHANGE.

THE FUTURE LAND USE IS ACTUALLY AN INCORRECT THING TO STAY RIGHT THERE.

I APOLOGIZE IS LOOKING TO CHANGE THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FROM GENERAL USE TO PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT AND WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THERE IS APPROVAL TO CPC 20 OR PD 21 2022 IS THE ADDRESS FOR THOSE ERRORS.

THAT'S OKAY. THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YES. SO WHAT IS THAT, ZONING? HOW MANY UNITS WILL THEY BE ABLE TO DEVELOP? UNDER THE DISTRICT.

I'LL ALLOW FOR THE APPLICANTS TO RESPOND TO HOW MANY UNITS THEY'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING ON THE ACTUAL PROPERTY THAT WILL ESTABLISH THE DENSITY FOR THE AREA.

AGAIN. THIS IS A CAMERA.

ZENKO WITH LACY LINES. ROSENKER ON BEHALF OF PULTE HOMES, I ACTUALLY DID BOTH PRESENTATIONS TOGETHER, JUST HABIT OF DOING IT THAT WAY.

THIS IS THE THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN THAT YOU'VE SEEN THAT WE'VE REVIEWED THAT HE'S GOING TO BRING FOR YOU.

WHAT THIS DOES IS THIS LOCKS US INTO THE NUMBER OF OF UNITS AT 119, BECAUSE YOU'RE YOU'RE ACTUALLY APPROVING A YES, YOU'RE APPROVING BASICALLY A SITE PLAN THAT THEN WE HAVE TO GET VETTED THROUGH THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

SO THAT'S WHEN THE ZONING BECOMES THE PD IS AFTER THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS APPROVED.

SO THAT'S BASICALLY WE'RE ASKING YOU TO APPROVE THIS PLAN SO WE CAN THEN GET THE ZONING FOR THE 119 UNITS, WHICH IS THE 2.75 UNIT PER ACRE DENSITY, WHICH IS RELATIVELY LOW DENSITY.

I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING MORE TO ADD IF YOU HAVE MORE QUESTIONS.

WE'RE HERE. THANK YOU. AS BOARD.

HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTION FROM MR. RANDALL? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. TRIVIAL POINT OF CLARIFICATION.

IS PULTE HOMES DOING ANY OTHER PROJECTS IN OUR COMMUNITY OR IN BREVARD COUNTY?

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I KNOW. I DON'T KNOW IF SHAWN WANTS TO SPEAK TO THAT.

I'M NOT SURE OF ALL OF THEM, BUT I REMEMBER THEM.

HE CAN TELL YOU. WE DO HAVE ONE OTHER DEVELOPMENT.

WE HAVE LIKE FOUR OR FIVE IN THE PIPELINE POTENTIAL PROJECTS, ALL HERE IN PALM BAY? NO, IN PALM BAY, WE HAVE THIS ONE AND ANOTHER ONE AND POTENTIALLY A THIRD ONE.

GOTCHA. SO THIS IS YOUR FIRST VENTURE IN PALM BAY.

SO A LITTLE BACKGROUND. YOU KNOW, WE'RE BASED IN ORLANDO.

WHAT, WE COVER SEVEN COUNTIES AND WE WERE IN BREVARD COUNTY PREVIOUSLY, BUT WE'RE IN THE VR PROJECT NOW AND WE'RE LOOKING TO COME BACK TO BREVARD TO JUST.

THIS IS A GREAT COMMUNITY. SO WE WANT TO PROVIDE SOME GREAT COMMUNITIES IN THIS AREA.

ABSOLUTELY. WELL, WELCOME TO THE LARGEST CITY IN BREVARD COUNTY, SECOND LARGEST IN CENTRAL FLORIDA, ONLY SECOND TO ORLANDO, YOUR HOME CITY? I'M ON THE DIET, SO I'LL HAVE TO SAY IT, MR. MAYOR. THE GREATEST CITY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH.

SO I ACTUALLY GREW UP IN WESTFIELD, WHICH IS LIKE THE VERY, VERY EASTERN PART OF ORANGE COUNTY, ALMOST A BREVARD COUNTY.

SO. GOTCHA. WELL, AWESOME.

THANK YOU, SIR, FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? SEE, NOT ALL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST THIS PROJECT? NO. NO. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR A MOTION.

A MOTION TO APPROVE SPEEDY DASH 21 2022 SUBJECT TO ALL STAFF COMMENTS.

SECOND MOTION FROM KAY, SECOND FROM DON.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY I.

I ALL OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES.

MOTION CARRIES 5 TO 1 WITH ROBERT IN DENIAL.

OUR NEXT CASE, PLEASE.

THANK YOU, KIM. MR. ANDERSON. ALL RIGHT.

OUR NEXT CASE IS FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

IT IS A SMALL, SMALL SCALE, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT FROM RECREATION, OPEN SPACE TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USE.

IT IS FOR APPROXIMATELY I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT, APPROXIMATELY 2.3 ACRES OF LAND.

THE APPLICANT IS FRED VARNEY WITH THE OWNER BEING THE CITY OF PALM BAY AND STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT OR THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL.

THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO. NO, NO.

NEGATIVE PUBLIC. COMMENTS FROM NEIGHBORS? NO, NOT IN THIS CASE.

AND JUST FOR FURTHER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE CITY BEING PART OF THIS SITUATION IS IT'S CITY OWNED PROPERTY CURRENTLY.

IT IS PART, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, OF THE GDC SITUATION.

SO WITH THAT, IT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED IN A LONG PREVIOUS PAST HISTORY FOR OPEN SPACE RECREATION, EVEN THOUGH THE PARCEL ITSELF IS NOT IDEALLY CONFIGURED FOR SUCH TO SUPPORT THE NEIGHBORING AREA.

AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, THERE HAS BEEN IDENTIFICATION THAT IT IS ECONOMICALLY AND NOT SO SOCIALLY FEASIBLE FOR THE CITY TO MAINTAIN THE MAINTENANCE OF THAT PARCEL BECAUSE OF ITS DISTANCE AND PROXIMITY FROM, OF COURSE, FOR INSTANCE, PUBLIC WORKS AND OTHER FACILITIES AROUND HERE THAT WOULD NEED TO POTENTIALLY ACCESS IT FOR MAINTENANCE PURPOSES. AND THEN LASTLY, WITH THAT BEING THE CASE, WE ALSO ARE LOOKING TO TRY TO AGGLOMERATE LARGER PARCELS FOR MORE POTENTIAL CENTRALIZED PARKS SO THAT CAN CATCH A LARGER PORTION OF THE POPULATION IN AREAS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? IF WE IF WE REZONE IT TO WHERE WE WERE ZONING IT TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USE, SO SO IT IS UP FOR SALE AND THIS IS PART AND PARCEL OF THE CONTINGENCY OF THE SALE IS FOR IT TO BE A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USE IN ITS FUTURE SO THAT A HOUSE CAN BE BUILT ON IT BY THE POTENTIAL BUYER.

ALSO. NOW, I DON'T WANT TO POINT OUT THIS IS NOT A REZONING.

IT ALREADY IS ZONED AS TO SINGLE FAMILIES AS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGE TO TO TO GO ALONG WITH THE PRESENT ZONING.

YES. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

SO IT DOES ALREADY HAVE THE ZONING, THE FUTURE LAND USE DOES NOT MATCH UP WITH THE ZONING.

SO THIS IS CORRECTING OR NOT NECESSARILY CORRECTING, BUT ALIGNING THOSE TWO.

SO IT DOES PUT US MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT OUR FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT WOULD BE STATING FOR HOW OUR ZONING DISTRICTS WOULD ALLOW WITH OUR FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENTS.

SAID THE THE PURCHASE THE PERSON IS PURCHASING IS ACTUALLY HERE, IS IT? I THINK SO, YES. YES.

DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? NO. I'LL WAIT TILL I HEAR THE PERSON SPEAK.

WE ARE THE APPLICANT. THE CITY IS APPLE.

WE HAVE A QUESTION FOR FOUR.

NO, NO. I DON'T HAVE A.

FOR THE ONCE HE SPEAKS, HE DOESN'T SPEAK.

HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO. WELL.

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THE CITY IS, SIR.

SHE HAS A QUESTION FOR YOU.

I SAW HIM COMING UP, SO I WAS JUST TRYING TO WAIT TO IF HE IS GOING TO.

MY NAME IS FARHAD FRED REZVANI.

I LIVE AT 4409 JEFFERSON STREET.

THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE FROM MYSELF.

AFTER I CONVINCED MY WIFE.

AND HONESTLY, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO.

WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ONCE, ONCE, ONCE, ONCE YOU ALL SELL IT, WHAT HAPPENS? IS IT GOING? IT'S GOING TO BE SUBDIVIDED.

IT'S JUST GOING TO BE ONE HOUSE PUT ON IT.

SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE WERE REALLY TRYING TO TRY AND TRYING TO REALLY TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE.

I AM PLANNING ON DOING A SIMPLE SUBDIVISION INTO TWO AND I SUBMITTED A SURVEY, POTENTIAL SURVEY FOR THE SPLIT SAMPLE SPLIT.

I BELIEVE YOU GUYS HAVE THE FILE TO BUILD TWO HOMES ON THE 2.3 ACRES.

THAT'S THAT IS CORRECT.

THAT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT HE WOULD LIKE TO DO.

IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE. WHAT'S YOUR QUESTION? DOES THAT. WHAT'S THAT? WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THE SURVEYS? MEAN IT'S UP THERE? NO, I THINK. YEAH. YEAH, WE HAVE THOSE.

I LOOKED AT THEM.

I JUST WANTED TO.

TO SEE WHO WAS THE PURCHASER.

WAS IT? IT'S ME.

IT'S MY PERSONAL USE.

WAS A DEVELOPER OR WAS IT SOMEONE WHO WAS JUST COMING IN FOR UNITS PER ACRE, THAT SORT OF THING? I'M NOT GOING TO BE IN A ROOM 15 AND GET STONED TO DEATH.

I'M FROM. WELL, I CAN SAY, OF COURSE, I'M NEVER HAPPY WHEN THE CITY IS SELLING OR LAND.

I DO UNDERSTAND WHERE IT IS AND WHAT'S GOING ON.

BUT WE KEEP SELLING OR, YOU KNOW, GREEN SPACES AND WE DON'T WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR THE FUTURE.

WE'RE NOT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE END.

SO I UNDERSTAND, OF COURSE, AN INDIVIDUAL WANTED TO PURCHASE IT.

I'M OKAY WITH THAT AND UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS.

BUT I JUST THINK, AGAIN, AS WE GO THROUGH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, LET US RESERVE SOME PROPERTY FOR OUR FUTURE.

WE DON'T HAVE TO SELL EVERY SINGLE THING RIGHT THIS MOMENT.

SO THAT IS ONLY MY MY SOAPBOX RIGHT NOW.

BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD THE QUESTION FOR THE I.

BUT I'M OKAY WITH THIS, GENTLEMEN.

THANK YOU, MR. OSBORNE. OKAY.

IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR OPPOSE THIS APPLICATION? YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT, I WOULD CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR A MOTION BEFORE THAT.

I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT TO TO MS..

MARAJ AND MAYBE SOME OF THE NEWER BOARD MEMBERS THAT THAT THIS LAND, LIKE MANY OTHER LOTS, WERE PART OF THE AGREEMENT THAT WHEN GENERAL DEVELOPMENT WENT BANKRUPT, THEY DEEDED THESE LOTS TO THE CITY TO BE SOLD AND TO USE THAT MONEY FOR OUR ROAD PROGRAM.

ACTUALLY A ROAD MAINTENANCE, WHICH BILL WELL KNOWS.

I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND THAT.

I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND THAT OUT.

WE HAVE TO SELL EVERYTHING THIS MOMENT.

RIGHT. ALL RIGHT, BOARD.

IF IF THERE ARE NO OTHER COMMENTS, CAN WE GET A MOTION, PLEASE? I WISH YOU THE BEST OF LUCK.

MOTION TO APPROVE CP 22 2022.

A MOTION FROM RAYNER.

SECOND, FROM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

ALL IN FAVOR, SAY I.

I ALL OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

WHICH BRINGS US TO OUR LAST CASE.

MR. ANDERSON. ALL RIGHT.

SO FOR OUR FINAL CASE TONIGHT, WE HAVE A TEXTUAL CODE AMENDMENT T 19 2022.

THE APPLICANT IS THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

IT IS A CITYWIDE RELATED ORDINANCE OR AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

AND AGAIN, OF COURSE, BECAUSE OF ITS BEING CITY WIDE, THE SIZE IS THE EXTENT OF THE CITY'S PERIMETERS.

WITH THAT, WE ARE LOOKING TO AMEND CHAPTER 184 SUBDIVISION CODE SECTION ONE 84.1 5B5 ISSUANCE OF BUILDING PERMITS, AND MORE SPECIFICALLY INSIDE OF THE REQUEST.

THAT IS A TEXTUAL AMENDMENT TO THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TITLE 17 LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHAPTER 184 SUBDIVISION CODE.

SECTION ONE 95.1 5B5 ISSUANCE OF BUILDING PERMIT TO REMOVE THE WORD SUBDIVISION AND TO REPLACE IT WITH THE WORDS PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION PLAT.

THIS IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL BY STAFF AND WE ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND JUST FOR A LITTLE BIT BETTER OF AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHY WE ARE CHANGING THIS WORDING.

IT'S TO.

MORE APPROPRIATELY ENCOMPASS THE DIVISIONS OF PHASING THROUGHOUT A SUBDIVISION.

OFTEN THERE UBIQUITOUSLY TERM SUBDIVISION AND THEN SUBDIVISION.

AGAIN WE'RE DOING A SUBDIVISION OF LAND AND THEN WE'RE DOING ANOTHER SUBDIVISION OF LAND.

THIS CAN GET CONFUSING.

SO FOR INSTANCE, WE'LL HAVE VARIOUS PHASES FOR VARIOUS DEVELOPMENTS.

ONE BEING CHAPARRAL, WE HAVE PHASES.

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EACH ONE OF THOSE IS A SUBDIVISION ITSELF, BUT THE OVERALL SUBDIVISION NAME IS CHAPARRAL SUBDIVISION.

SO WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS CODE IS MORE SPECIFIC TO TARGET WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO HAVE ITS INTENT BE ORIGINALLY, WHICH IS TO ALLOW FOR THE 25 MOBILE, NOT MOBILE. I'M SORRY, MODEL HOMES.

I APOLOGIZE. MODEL HOMES OTHERWISE TERMED AROUND HERE AS PRAIRIE HOMES.

THANK YOU. INSIDE OF EACH SUBDIVISION PHASE, WHICH IN THIS TERMINOLOGY WOULD BE REGARDED THROUGH ITS PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION PLAT.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SO WHICH ONE REMAINS A SUBDIVISION AND WHICH ONE BECOMES A PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION? PLAT SO HERE ARE THE SMALLER.

THE SMALLER IS THE PLATTING PLOTTING PHRASEOLOGY.

SO REALISTICALLY WHEN WE'RE BOTH ARE STILL GOING TO BE SUBDIVISION IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND WHEN YOU LOOK INTO THE CODES DEFINITIONS BUT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION PLAT, THAT'S JUST THE SPECIFIC LEVEL OF THE SUBDIVISIONS PHASING AND THAT'S WHEN WE'RE LOOKING TO KIND OF HAVE THAT BE IMPLEMENTED IN BECAUSE IT'S BEFORE THE SEO HAPPENS, THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY HAPPENS WHERE WE LOOK INTO POTENTIALLY ALLOWING FOR THE MODEL HOMES.

SO IT IS WELL AFTER MOST OF THE SUBDIVISION PHASING SUCH AS THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION PLAN, THE SUBDIVISION CONSTRUCTION PLANS AND EVEN LOOKING INTO THE FINAL PLANNING AT THAT PROCESS. OKAY.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NONE. THANK YOU, MR. ANDERSON. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK EITHER IN FAVOR OR OPPOSE ITS APPLICATION? AND I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR A MOTION.

THE MOTION TO APPROVE T.

S 19 DEATHS 2022.

AND EMOTION FROM DONG SECOND, FROM KAY.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YOU KNOW ALL THE COMMENTS ALL IN FAVOR SAY I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

NOW, BEFORE I ADJOURN THE MEETING, I JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT WE DO HAVE A SPECIAL PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING AT 6:00 MAY 18TH AT BAYFRONT BAYSIDE

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