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GOOD EVENING. THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD REGULAR MEETING OF JUNE 1ST IS CALLED TO ORDER.
WE'LL NOW HAVE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE BY MR. GOOD.
MISS MIRAGE. PRESENT, MR. OLSZEWSKI. PRESENT.
MR. WARNER HAS ASKED TO BE EXCUSED.
PRESENT. MR. KARAFFA HAS ASKED TO BE EXCUSED.
AND OUR DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY, ERIC MESSENGER, IS PRESENT.
WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. KNOW I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES OF THE MAY 4TH MEETING.
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SO MOVED CHECKING.A MOTION BY MR. OLSZEWSKI, SECONDED BY MR..
US. TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED.
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THE BENEFIT OF THOSE IN A.THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD IS AN ADVISORY BOARD COMPRISED OF UNPAID VOLUNTEERS.
THE LAND DEVELOPMENT STAFF WILL PRESENT THE STAFF REPORT FOR EACH CASE.
BOARD MEMBERS WILL THEN BE ASKED IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
THE FLOOR WILL THEN BE OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
IF THERE IS A GROUP OF PEOPLE FROM A NEIGHBORHOOD WHO MAY HAVE SIMILAR COMMENTS, YOU MAY INFORMALLY APPOINT A SPOKESMAN TO CLARIFY YOUR VIEWS AFTER PUBLIC COMMENTS OR BRING THE CASE BACK TO THE BOARD.
AND AT THIS TIME THE FLOOR WILL BE CLOSED AND NO FURTHER COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE WILL BE HEARD.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENDANCE AND YOUR COOPERATION IN ADHERING TO THE MEETING GUIDELINES.
A WHEEL FIRST CASE F2 16 2022 HAS ASKED FOR A CONTINUOUS CONTINUANCE TO THE JULY 6TH MEETING.
WE NEED A VOTE ON THIS FIVE A MOTION MOTION TO CONTINUE FOR 16 2022 TO JULY SIX.
I CASE IS MOVED TO THE JULY 6TH MEETING.
NEXT CASE WILL BE TO BE HEARD.
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STAFF WILL PRESENT THEIR REPORT.JESSE ANDERSON, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
FOR OUR FIRST CASE TONIGHT, WE HAVE CP 16, 2022.
FOR THIS PARTICULAR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AMENDMENT IS APPROXIMATELY 40.83 ACRES OF LAND.
THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE IS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
THERE WAS A SMALL ERROR IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT DID SAY MULTIFAMILY AND MEANT I MEANT TO SAY MIXED USE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS GRAPHIC BEFORE YOU. TO THE NORTHEAST AND SOUTH IS THE MIXED USE PROPERTY THAT THIS IS GOING TO COINCIDE WITH, WHICH YOU'LL SEE IN THE SUBSEQUENT CASE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE BEFORE YOU NEXT. SO IN REGARDS TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN GOALS THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH FUTURE LAND USE GOAL ONE, TWO, EIGHT AND NINE.
AND AS SUCH, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF CP 16, 20, 22 AND RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING BOARD ALSO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF CPP 16 2022 STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT.
ARE THE BOARD? ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?
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DURING THEN WILL THE APPLICANT OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVE PLEASE APPROACH THE MICROPHONE? GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.MY NAME IS BRUCE MOYE WITH KNB ENGINEERING REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.
THIS IS A SMALL PARCEL OF LAND THAT WAS A LANDLOCKED PARCEL THAT WAS OWNED BY AN INDIVIDUAL THAT THIS JUPITER BAY THAT WAS APPROVED, SURROUNDED.
AND THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT PROVIDING ACCESS TO HIM BECAUSE HE WAS LANDLOCKED.
BUT THE HE WAS WILLING TO SELL THE PROPERTY TO THE JUPITER BAY DEVELOPER.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HERE TO ANSWER THOSE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NOTHING. I JUST WANT TO SAY CURIOUS AS TO.
DOES THE DEVELOPER HAVE ANY INTENTIONS? WHAT ARE THE INTENTIONS OF THE DEVELOPER WHEN IT COMES TO MIXED USE? WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT TO THE ON THE NEXT ONE.
FOR THE RECORD, THERE AREN'T ANY LETTERS IN THE FILE ON THIS CASE.
THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK? IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST.
OPPOSED. I COME TO THE PODIUM? BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTH WEST.
FIRST OFF, I HATED SEEING ALL THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL LAND DISAPPEAR.
THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN A GREAT WIN INSTEAD OF HAVING A HIGH DENSITY POPULATION IN IT.
BUT THAT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED.
THAT'S WATER UNDER THE BRIDGE.
HOWEVER, I DON'T LIKE SEEING THE LAND DISAPPEAR, BUT WITH THAT QUESTION, WILL THIS MAKE AN OVERALL CHANGE LAYOUT IN HOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE CHANGING THEIR OVERALL DEVELOPMENT? SO IS THIS GOING TO MAKE ALL THE CHANGES HAVE TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD AGAIN OR THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD AGAIN BECAUSE IT MIGHT CONSTITUTE A MAJOR, WHAT WE CALL A MAJOR CHAIN IN THE ORIGINAL PRESENTATION.
THANK YOU. IN OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE FLOOR.
THANK YOU. AND THE ANSWER TO HIS QUESTION IS, YES, IT DOES CONSTITUTE A MAJOR CHANGE.
AND THAT'S WHY THE NEXT ITEM IS BEFORE YOU TO SHOW YOU WHAT THAT CHANGE WILL BE.
THANK YOU. OR IS NOW CLOSED FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS IN THE CASE IS BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD BOARD AFTER HEARING THE EVIDENCE, ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR EMOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE CP 16 2022.
SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. WEINBERG. SECOND BY MR. BOEREMA. ALL IN FAVOR.
NEXT CASE, MR. ANDERSON, IS. 1520.
IN THIS CASE, THE AGGLOMERATED PARCELS TOGETHER ACCOUNT FOR 24.69 ACRES OF LAND.
THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND USES ARE SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL AND MIXED USE.
SO WITH THAT, IT WOULD BE UNITED AS A MIXED USE COMMUNITY.
SO THE CURRENT ZONING DISTRICTS ARE SE TWO AND MIXED USE.
IT IS TO ENCOURAGE THE DEVELOPMENT OF PLANNED RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMMUNITIES THAT PROVIDE A FULL RANGE OF RESIDENCE TYPES, AS WELL AS COMMERCIAL USES DESIGNED TO SERVE THE INHABITANTS OF THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
HERE BEFORE YOU IS THE OVERALL MIXED USE LAYOUT THAT HAS BEEN DESIGNED, AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT WILL HAVE THE COMMERCIAL IN THE SOUTHEASTERN PORTION OR SORRY, LOWER LEFT HAND PORTION OF THIS THIS DIAGRAM WITH MOST OF THE COMMUNITY BEING THROUGHOUT THE CENTRAL PORTION.
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STAFF DOES RECOMMEND THAT PD 15 2022 IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL, SUBJECT TO STAFF COMMENTS ON THE SPECIFIC PLAN, UNIT DEVELOPMENT, PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN. AND WE DO REQUEST THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR PD 15 2022.SUBJECT TO THOSE COMMENTS, STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL.
MEMBERS ARE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF? BERMAN. I HAVE A QUESTION, PLEASE.
BERMAN ORIGINALLY, WHEN THIS CAME BEFORE THE BOARD, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THE TURN LEAN ON JUPITER TO BE EXTENDED ALL THE WAY TO BREVARD STREET. HAS THAT BEEN DISCUSSED WITH THE DEVELOPER? I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO THE DEVELOPER ON THAT STANCE JUST TO VERIFY THAT SITUATION WITH THE CITY.
CHAIRMAN JORDAN, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.
MY NAME IS KIM ROSENKER WITH LACY LYONS.
ROSENKER. I'M ACTUALLY ON AS ONE OF THE APPLICANTS FOR THIS MATTER, TOO.
THIS IS WHAT I LIKE TO CALL JUPITER A 2.0.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE ONE, THAT WAS THE OLD CONCEPT PLAN.
IT DID NOT HAVE THAT 0.3 ACRES.
THE OWNERS SEX CAPITAL GROUP AND IDENTICAL INVESTMENTS WERE ABLE TO PURCHASE THAT.
THAT WAS A LONG DISCUSSION WE HAD ABOUT WHAT WE HAD TO DO ABOUT THAT LAND LOCKED PROPERTY.
NOW IT'S BECOME PART OF THIS PROJECT.
AND SO THAT'S WHY THE FUTURE LAND USE HAD TO BE CHANGED.
SO THE RESOLUTION 2020 202, THAT WAS FOR THE PDP THAT WAS APPROVED IN JANUARY BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
AND I GAVE THIS TO YOU JUST SO YOU SAW WHAT THE WHAT THE RESTRICTIONS WERE AT THAT TIME.
THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE REQUESTED BY STAFF TODAY ARE FINE.
SO YOU'LL HAVE 20 CONDOMINIUMS ON EACH OF THOSE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS THAT FRONT JUPITER BOULEVARD.
AND IT WILL BE FOUR STOREYS AND IT WILL BE CONDOMINIUM.
SO INDIVIDUALLY OWNED WITH THE CONDO ASSOCIATION.
THAT IS THE ONLY CHANGE TO THIS.
EVERYTHING ELSE HAD ALREADY BEEN APPROVED, SUBJECT TO A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE CONDOMINIUMS WILL OFFER A VARIETY OF HOME CHOICES, WHICH IS SOMETHING YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LOOKS TO DO ALONG WITH THE TOWNHOMES THAT ARE IN THE EAST AND NORTH OF THERE.
WHEN WE MET BACK IN NOVEMBER, THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT TURNER ELEMENTARY AND BRUCE MOYA.
AND I HAVE MET WITH SUE HAHN, THE ASSISTANT SUPERINTENDENT OF FACILITIES FOR SCHOOL BOARD, AND THE OWNERS DEVELOPERS HAVE COMMITTED TO EXTEND THAT TURN LANE GOING WEST ALL THE WAY FROM BREVARD AVENUE, ALL THE WAY TO TURNER ELEMENTARY.
THE TRAFFIC STUDY, IF YOU'VE LOOKED AT IT, IT DOES REQUIRE TEN LANES IN COMING FROM BOTH DIRECTIONS AND THE DEVELOPER WILL BE DOING THAT AS WELL WITH INPUT FROM THE CITY TRAFFIC ENGINEER. THE TRAFFIC STUDY HAS BEEN SUBMITTED 212 PAGES, I BELIEVE.
DEDICATED TURN LANES ARE REQUIRED AND WILL BE INSTALLED BY THE DEVELOPER.
CITIZENS PARTICIPATION MEETING WAS HELD ON MARCH 15TH OF 2020.
THERE WERE NO QUESTIONS OR NO CONCERNS RAISED AT THAT TIME.
REGARDING THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, THERE ARE NO ROADWAY DEFICIENCIES.
THERE WILL BE SOME SIGNAL MODIFICATIONS TO HELP WITH TRAFFIC FLOW.
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AND AS I MENTIONED, THE INGRESS AND EGRESS.WE'RE HELPING TO SOLVE A TRAFFIC CONCERN AT TURNER ELEMENTARY.
WE OFFERED THEM THREE PROPOSALS AND THIS IS WHAT THEY SELECTED.
RIGHT NOW, IT'S SHOWN AS PARKING.
AND THEN THEY GOT CONCERNED ABOUT LIABILITY AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THAT EXTENDED TERM LINE OF 1200 FEET ALL THE WAY FROM BREVARD AVENUE.
AND IF YOU REMEMBER, THERE'S STILL THAT EMERGENCY ACCESS UP IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER THAT WAS REQUESTED THROUGHOUT THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS WHEN JUPITER BAY 1.0 CAME THROUGH.
AND BRUCE MOYA AND I ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
RAJ, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YES.
JUST SUBJECT TO STAFF COMMENTS.
THANK YOU. I HAD A QUESTION ON THE FOUR STOREY CONDOS UP FRONT.
HAVE YOU HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING ABOUT THOSE? YES, SIR. THAT WAS MARCH.
EVERYBODY WAS AGREEABLE TO THAT.
I MEAN. THE PEOPLE THAT SHOWED UP AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING DID NOT SAY THEY WERE FOR OR AGAINST IT.
IT'LL BE HIDDEN. IT'S GOING TO BE THE TOWNHOMES ARE ON THE EAST SIDE.
AND THEN THE COMMERCIAL IS THOSE THREE BUILDINGS ON JUPITER BAY.
THEY'RE GOING TO FACE THE SCHOOL YARD, JUPITER BAY.
THE PEOPLE ON THE SOUTH SIDE WILL SEE IT, BUT THERE ARE RENDERINGS IN THE PACKET.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE ATTRACTIVE.
IT'S GOING TO BE A MIXED USE, SOMEWHAT MORE URBAN THAN THAN WE'VE SEEN.
AND IT WILL GIVE A CHOICE OF HOUSING.
SO THERE MAY BE PEOPLE HERE TO TALK ABOUT IT, BUT THEY DID NOT COME TO THE COMMUNITY MEETING.
YOU MENTIONED THAT 1500 FOOT TURN LANE ON.
WAS IT BREVARD AVENUE? IT'S FROM BREVARD AVENUE ALONG JUPITER BOULEVARD, ALL THE WAY TO TURNER ELEMENTARY.
IT COULD EVEN BE MADE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL IF YOU SO CHOSE.
NOW IT'S STARTING AT BREVARD AVENUE, MOVING WEST 1500 FEET TO TURNER ELEMENTARY.
I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT CONFUSION.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I HAVE TWO, TWO INQUIRIES.
AND FORGIVE ME TIMING WISE, I MAY BE EARLY IN THE PROCESS, BUT I HAVE TO.
I HAVE TO COME BACK TO TRAFFIC.
I'VE HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THIS PROJECT SINCE THE ACTUAL FIRST TIME IT CAME AROUND.
SO THIS IS ACTUALLY JUPITER BAY 3.0.
AND THE WHOLE TIME I'VE HAD ISSUES WITH TRAFFIC AND NOW THE UNIT COUNT INCREASE WAY UP 60 CONDOS.
SO ONE PERSON, ONE VEHICLE PER CONDO, VERY CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATES.
THIS IS A LITTLE MORE CONCRETE.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THESE VEHICLES ARE GOING TO GO, BUT IF I'M TO GUESS THEIR MOST COMMON PATH OF TRAVEL, IT'S GOING TO BE IN THE EASTERN DIRECTION TOWARDS EMERSON, TOWARDS 95, TOWARDS EVERYTHING, THEREFORE A LEFT OUT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE, OF COURSE, IS THE RIGHT AND THEN UP THROUGH EL DRON.
BUT I THINK MOST FOLKS ARE GOING TO WANT TO TAKE EMERSON BECAUSE IT'S WIDER.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WHERE ARE WE AT WHEN WE LOOK AT TRAFFIC REALISTICALLY ABOUT A TRAFFIC LIGHT COMING IN AND OUT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT FROM DAY ONE? BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE THIS MANY HOMES AND THEREFORE THIS MANY VEHICLES NOW IN THIS CONCENTRATED AREA, WHICH WE ALL KNOW, IT'S HISTORY, YOU KNOW THAT A HANDFUL OF TRIPS A DAY TO ARGUABLY THOUSANDS.
I JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND LOGISTICALLY HOW IT'S GOING TO WORK.
ON PAGE 13 OF THE TRAFFIC REPORT, IT DOES SHOW THAT I'M NOT MUCH OF A TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
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TRAFFIC STUDY AT THIS POINT DID NOT WARRANT IT.BUT I, I DON'T HAVE THAT ANSWER FOR YOU.
THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER WAS JUST TO RESTATE FOR CLARIFICATION, IF I MAY, MA'AM, THE REPORT INDICATES THAT EACH CONDO IS ANTICIPATED TO ADD FOUR TRIPS PER DAY, SO 6240. AND THE REPORT SAYING THAT THE PREVIOUS STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE, THE TOLERANCE EXISTED TO ADD THOSE 240 PER DAY.
IS THAT A SUMMARY OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THERE? THAT IS TRUE. BUT BASED UPON THIS STUDY, THE TURN LANES LENGTH DID INCREASE.
AND WE'VE AGREED TO ALSO DO THE THE ONE HEADING WESTBOUND TO ASSIST WITH TURNER ELEMENTARY.
AND IF I MAY JUST ASK ONE MORE QUESTION AND IT MIGHT BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR MR. MOYA. BUT I'M JUST I'M LOOKING AT THE UPDATED MAP AND IT CALLS OUT WHICH UNITS ARE GOING TO BE TWO STORIES.
AND IT SEEMS THAT THERE WAS A PREFERENCE TO MAKE THE UNITS THAT FACE BREVARD AVENUE TWO STORIES, AS OPPOSED TO WHAT I THINK WOULD BE PRUDENT IN THE INTERIOR WHERE THEY COULD LOOK AT THE LAKE, WHATEVER.
INSTEAD IT APPEARS THEY'RE GOING TO BE HIGH AND LOOK OUT AT THE AT THE RESIDENCE OF BREVARD AVENUE.
SO WHAT LEVEL OF INFLUENCE AT THIS POINT OF THE PROCESS CAN I JUST CASUALLY MENTION TO SAY, HEY, FROM A DESIGN ESTHETIC PERSPECTIVE, CAN WE CAN WE TAKE A FURTHER LOOK AT THAT? BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT TWO STOREYS FACING RESIDENTS.
THE PROJECT IS SO BIG, COULD WE POTENTIALLY MOVE THEM TO SOMETHING MORE? AND I DON'T KNOW. THE ANSWER IS I'M GOING TO ASK MR. MOYA TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. YES, MA'AM.
THANK YOU. AND THAT THAT COMMENT DID COME UP AT THE ORIGINAL CITIZENS PARTICIPATION MEETING THE RESIDENTS TO ON THE EAST SIDE OF BOVARD AVENUE.
WE OBVIOUSLY TOWNHOMES ARE TWO STORIES BECAUSE THEY'RE SO SMALL YOU CAN'T HAVE A ONE STOREY TOWNHOME AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO THAT, BUT THEY DID WANT THE BARRIER SO THAT THERE WAS NO BACK AND FORTH AND PEOPLE WANDERING FROM THEIR BACKYARD INTO THEIR FRONT YARD.
BUT AS FAR AS A VISUAL, THERE WAS NO CONCERN FROM THE RESIDENTS ON THAT AT ALL.
IT MAKES SENSE NOW. THANK YOU, SIR.
WHILE YOU'RE ON THE MICROPHONE, CAN YOU MAKE ME FEEL ANY BETTER ABOUT THIS TRAFFIC SITUATION? I'LL TRY. THANK YOU.
ALL I CAN DO IS READ FROM THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
YOU KNOW, WE DID HAVE KIMLEY-HORN DO THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
THEY'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS AREA.
THEY DO A LOT OF TRAFFIC STUDIES IN THE PALM BAY AREA AND ALL THROUGHOUT BREVARD COUNTY.
AND THEY DID THEY DID LOOK AT SEVERAL ROADWAY SEGMENTS.
AND HE SAYS, YES, THAT'S GOOD OR NO.
YOU NEED TO ADD A COUPLE OF ROAD SEGMENTS.
YOU NEED TO ADD A COUPLE OF INTERSECTIONS.
SO THAT WAS ALL IRONED OUT UPFRONT.
THEY DID THE STUDY AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE STUDY, IT DID SAY THAT THERE WAS NO ROADWAY SEGMENT OR ANY OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCIES AT ANY INTERSECTIONS IN THE AREA OF THE STUDY.
SO THEY DID FIND THAT IN ORDER TO HAVE SOME ISSUES TO HELP THE TRAFFIC IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA, THEY DID OBVIOUSLY WARRANT THE TURN LANES AND THEN THOSE, BUT THE WESTBOUND LANE WILL BE EXTREMELY LONGER THAN WHAT WAS REQUESTED.
THEY ONLY SAID IT NEEDED TO BE 185 FEET.
SO IT'LL IT'LL I THINK THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE WARRANTED, OBVIOUSLY, THAT COULD THERE BE MORE IMPROVEMENTS? YES. BUT IF THEY'RE NOT WARRANTED, THEN THERE'S A WHOLE NOTHER THING ABOUT HOW THAT WORKS IF YOU WANT UNWARRANTED IMPROVEMENTS.
UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
NO FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD.
YEAH, NO, I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD TO THAT BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN I LOOK AT THESE TRAFFIC STUDY AND GOING THROUGH IT, THAT ONCE ALTHOUGH THIS IS DONE, THEN IT GOES BACK TO THE CITY ENGINEER WHO WILL FINE TUNE THIS TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT'S WARRANTED.
BUT WHEN WE GO TO FINAL DESIGN, THEY'LL GO THROUGH IT WITH A FINE TOOTH COMB AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING THEY SEE BECAUSE TRAFFIC CONDITIONS MAY CHANGE BY THE TIME WE GET TO THAT POINT AND THEY MIGHT SAY WE WANT IT UPDATED DEPENDING ON HOW LONG IT TAKES TO ACTUALLY GET TO APPROVAL.
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SO WE'LL BE BACK HERE IN FRONT OF YOU FOR A FINAL PDP APPROVAL AND YOUR ENGINEER WILL TELL YOU IF IT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED OR NOT.THANK YOU. I HAD ONE ONE OTHER COMMENT AS WELL.
WAS THAT SITE WAS IT ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED TO BE A CLUBHOUSE? THERE WILL BE A CLUBHOUSE ON THE PROPERTY FOR THE AS AN AMENITY TO THE RESIDENTS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GOING TO USE THE EXISTING CLUBHOUSE.
I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE SAVING THAT OLD BUILDING.
BUT THERE WILL BE SOME AMENITIES, INCLUDING A POOL AND A CLUBHOUSE.
AND HOW MANY HOW MANY STORIES IS THIS NEW BUILDING GOING TO BE? THE CLUB, THE THE PAVILION FOR THE POOL.
I'M SORRY. THE 60 UNIT. THAT'LL BE FOUR STORIES.
FOR THE RECORD, THERE AREN'T ANY LETTERS IN THE FILE.
OR IS NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST? ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK AGAINST THIS REQUEST.
AND THEN THEY'LL BE BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD.
THE FLOOR IS NOW CLOSED FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
BOARD MEMBERS AFTER HEARING THE EVIDENCE.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR EMOTION, PLEASE? MOTION TO APPROVE PD 15 2022 SUBJECT TO STAFF COMMENTS WITH THE ADDITION OF THE EXTENDED TURN LANE FROM BREVARD BOULEVARD TO TURNER ELEMENTARY.
I CANNOT. A MOTION BY MR. WEINBERG. SECOND BY MS..
MR. ANDERSON. THEY? YES. OUR NEXT CASE IS CP 14, 2022, LOCATED SOUTHWEST CORNER OF GARVEY ROAD, SOUTHWEST AND MELBOURNE TILLMAN WATER CONTROL DISTRICT DRAINAGE CANAL 16 BESIDES IS APPROXIMATELY 191 ACRES IN THE LAND.
THE FUTURE LAND USE IS CURRENTLY INDUSTRIAL.
IT IS CONSISTENT WITH SOME OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN GOALS IN ACCORDANCE WITH CREATING A DIVERSIFIED LIVING ENVIRONMENT, MAINTAINING VIABLE NEIGHBORHOODS, AND MEETING THE NEEDS FOR FUTURE RESIDENCES, AS WELL AS CREATING A DIVERSIFIED AND SELF-SUSTAINING PATTERN OF LAND USES.
STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF CP 14 2022 AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OR RECOMMENDS THAT THE ZONING BOARD RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF CP 14 2022 AS WELL. STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL.
MR. ANDERSON, DOES SPORT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NONE OF THE APPLICANT.
GOOD EVENING AGAIN. BOARD MEMBERS BRUCE BOYD WITH DNB ENGINEERING REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.
WHERE GARVEY ENDS, GARVEY DOESN'T EVEN MAKE IT TO THIS PROPERTY.
WE'LL HAVE TO EXTEND GARVEY ROAD TO EVEN GET ACCESS.
IT IS A IT WAS IT'S A ZONED INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY.
AND IT WAS I THINK THAT IT WAS CHANGED TO BE THAT WAY AT SOME POINT IN TIME.
THERE'S REALLY NOT A WHOLE LOT OF AMENITIES.
THERE'S VERY FEW TREES ON THE SITE.
THERE WAS A THERE'S AN OLD PART OF A BARROW PIT ON THE PROPERTY.
THEY HAVE SOME CATTLE, I BELIEVE THAT'S ON IT.
THERE'S A CELL TOWER THAT'S ON AN OUT PARCEL THERE AND IT'S SURROUNDED PRETTY MUCH BY MELBOURNE TILLMAN CANALS ON THE NORTH AND THE WEST AND THE EAST, AND THEN SOME VACANT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH.
THERE WILL BE NO COMMERCIAL OUT HERE BECAUSE THERE'S REALLY NO NEED FOR COMMERCIAL OUT IN THIS AREA.
BUT IT WILL BE A WIDE VARIETY MIX OF USES WITH LARGE SINGLE FAMILY HOME, LOTS TO MEDIUM SIZE, TO SMALLER, TO SOME TOWNHOMES AND SOME APARTMENTS.
SO IT'S GOING TO BE PRETTY MUCH A WIDE VARIETY OF ALL TYPES OF RESIDENTIAL HOUSING.
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IT WILL BE BE DEVELOPED WITH RECREATION TRACKS, OPEN SPACE TO MEET YOUR PWD REQUIREMENTS.SO THERE'LL BE LOTS OF AMENITIES FOR ALL THE RESIDENTS THAT DO GO THERE.
TRAFFIC STUDIES SUBMITTED THAT WILL REQUIRE AND I DON'T THINK YOU GUYS HAVE THE THE LATEST ONE YET BUT I DID MAKE A REQUEST TO THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER JUST KIND OF SEE AT WHAT POINT WE WOULD HAVE TO EXTEND GAVI ALL THE WAY TO BOMBARDIER AND THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY FOR THIS PROJECT.
SO AS A RESULT OF THIS PROJECT, THERE'S REALLY NO ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES OUT THERE.
SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE I MENTION THAT.
AND AND IT HAPPENS TO BE JUST ACROSS THE STREET FROM MR. BANTON'S HOUSE. SO I'M SURE HE'LL HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT IT.
I THINK HE'S GOT IT ALREADY WRITTEN DOWN.
RUSH I'M NOT I'M NOT SURE IF I'M A FAN YET OF THE PROPERTY OF THE THE PROJECT.
BUT WHAT COULD REALLY, REALLY HELP ME IS WE THINK OF THIS AREA.
YOU REALLY HAVE A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY TO BE A STAND OUT PROJECT.
AND I'M NOT SURE IF YOU LOOK AT OUR SUSTAINABILITY PLAN AND SEE HOW YOU CAN ACTUALLY REALLY MAKE THIS PROJECT SOMETHING THAT'S SPECIAL, THAT SHOWS THAT YOU ARE NOT GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT WE MEET IN TERMS OF OPEN SPACES.
SO I ALWAYS IMAGINE THAT AREA AS A AS A REALLY A STANDARD PROJECT.
SO I REALLY HOPE THAT YOU WOULD JUST NOT JUST DO THE BARE MINIMUM AND JUST GET THESE HOUSES UP THERE AND NOT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT AREAS IS A LARGE AREA THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY MAINTAIN SOME OF THE GREEN SPACES, THINK OF THE ANIMALS AS WELL AND JUST CREATE AN AREA THAT PEOPLE WANT TO BE AND IS DEVELOP SUSTAINABLE. NO, I UNDERSTAND.
SO OUR ENTRANCES ARE WHERE THE EXISTING TREES ARE AND WE'VE MADE A TRACT AROUND THOSE TREES.
AND I BELIEVE IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, INSTEAD OF THE 25% OF OPEN SPACE FOR PROVIDING 34%.
SO THAT'S THAT'S A PRETTY PRETTY IT'S ABOUT 20% MORE.
I'M GOING TO BE IMPRESSED. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? I HOPE SO. YEAH, I HOPE SO.
BUT THIS WAS ACTUALLY AN APPROVED PAD THAT WAY BACK WHEN I THINK IT WAS 2004 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND IT WASN'T ANYWHERE NEAR AS NICE AS THIS.
SO THIS IS WAY, WAY, WAY BETTER.
YES, I DO HAVE A QUESTION, MR. MAYOR. IS THIS PROPERTY.
WHAT IS TO THE TO THE LEFT? IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT SCREEN, WHAT PROPERTY IS THAT TO? THAT'S THE BOMBARDIER LAKE WHERE THEY TEST THE JET SKIS.
OKAY. THAT WAS MY FIRST CONCERN IS CHANGING OUR INDUSTRIAL OR TAKING AN INDUSTRIAL PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WE HAVE TO TO RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE WE JUST DON'T HAVE A LOT OF IT IN PALM BAY.
IT'S AN ENGINEERING TEST FACILITY.
AND THEY TEST JET SKIS, WATERCRAFT, AS WELL AS FOUR WHEELERS.
AND I BELIEVE THEY GO OUT TO 11, 12:00 AT NIGHT.
SO YOU'RE PROPOSING I THINK IN THIS I SAW FOUR STORY BUILDINGS TO BE ON THAT AREA.
AND I JUST I DON'T SEE I THINK THE RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO RUN ACROSS SOME NOISE ABATEMENT ISSUES, FOR ONE, TOO. I GUESS YOU'VE TALKED TO THE BOMBARDIER ABOUT THIS.
DO THEY. HAVE THEY COMMENTED ABOUT.
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WELL, THEY GOT NOTICED THAT THIS WAS BEING PROPOSED.THEY WERE WITHIN THE NOTICE AREA AND THEY MADE NO COMMENT.
OBVIOUSLY, YOU CAN SEE TO THE MOST OF THE RESIDENTS IS ALREADY ARE ALREADY THERE.
THERE'S NO ACTUAL HOMES THERE, BUT THERE ARE RESIDENTIAL LOTS ALREADY PLATTED.
WE WOULD HAVE MOST OF THE MOST OF THE PROPERTY THAT'S ABUTTING THAT LAKE WOULD BE APARTMENTS AND AND STORMWATER PONDS WITH ONLY A FRACTION OF THE SMALLER SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT WOULD BE ACTUALLY FACING THE LAKE.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE OUR BIGGEST BUFFER.
ALSO, I THINK OUT OF 180 OR SO LOTS, THEY OWN 170 OR SOMETHING.
I THINK THEY OWN THE MAJORITY.
I DON'T I THOUGHT THE ARTWORK, NOT A LOT OF THEM.
THEY OWN A HUGE PARCEL THERE AND THEY ALSO OWN A HUGE PARCEL IF YOU KEEP GOING WEST OF BOMBARDIER, THAT PARCEL WHICH THEY'VE WORKED WITH THE CITY TO BRING IN THE HERITAGE PARKWAY EXTENSION, I BELIEVE THEY'VE PROVIDED SOME EASEMENTS FOR THAT.
SO I THINK THEIR WHOLE PROCESS IN DOING ALL THIS WAS TO CREATE.
TO BE A GOOD CORPORATE CITIZEN AND PROVIDE AS MUCH BUFFER AS THEY CAN KNOWING WHAT THEY DO.
AND AND SO THEY'VE BOUGHT AS MUCH PROPERTY AS WAS AVAILABLE FOR THAT PURPOSE.
AND I JUST THIS IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT, IT JUST SEEMS TO GO.
AGAINST WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO DO.
AND THAT IS WHY WE PUT THAT 100 FOOT BUFFER THERE.
YOU KNOW, ONE THING ABOUT HOUSING, IT'S ONE THING WHEN YOU HAVE THE HOUSES THERE FIRST, THEN YOU COME WITH AN INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY AND BUILD SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHERE YOU HAVE EXISTING HOMES. BUT WHEN YOU HAVE AN EXISTING USE THAT'S THERE AND PEOPLE BUY THAT HOME, IT'S VISIBLE, IT'S THERE, THEY KNOW IT'S THERE.
WHEN THEY BUY THE HOME, IF THEY DON'T LIKE IT, THEY WON'T BUY IT.
BUT WE DID TRY TO PROTECT IT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE BY PUTTING THAT 100 FOOT BUFFER ALONG THAT ENTIRE WEST TRACT OF THIS LAND AND MINIMIZE THE NUMBER OF HOMES THAT ARE EVEN ON THERE BY DOING MOSTLY STORMWATER PONDS AND AND RENTALS.
MR. MOYO, SOMETIMES WHEN MULTI FAMILY COMES ACROSS, WE TAKE IT SYNONYMOUSLY WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
SO I JUST WANT TO ASK THE QUESTION CLEARLY.
WHAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT IS THIS? IS THIS IS THIS A PREMIUM MULTIFAMILY LUXURY CONDOMINIUM, OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT COULD EVEN BE PERCEIVED AS AFFORDABLE OUT IN THIS AREA? THE PLAN IS NOT TO DO AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
CAN I TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT KIND IT MIGHT BE? I DON'T KNOW. WHOEVER COMES TO THE TABLE, WILL IT BE THREE STORY WALKUP MARKET RATE APARTMENTS? WILL IT BE DECONSTRUCTED APARTMENTS LIKE YOU'RE SEEING OVER THERE AT ARTESIA THAT THAT'S COMING TO THE CITY? I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE THAT HAVE INTEREST IN MULTIFAMILY PROPERTY.
SO OBVIOUSLY, WE WANT TO HAVE COMPATIBLE HOUSING TYPES.
UNDERSTOOD. AND OF COURSE, I DON'T HAVE ANY NEGATIVE, NEGATIVE CONNOTATION WITH AFFORDABLE.
I'M JUST CLARIFYING WHAT THE MARKET RATE IS BECAUSE THE THE PICTURE THAT I'M TRYING TO PAINT AND THE SERIOUS INQUIRY THAT I HAVE IS I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THE FOLKS THAT LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY ARE GOING TO GO FOR THE NATURAL RESOURCES FOR LIFE.
SO JUST START WITH FOOD, REGULAR COMMERCE, WHAT HAVE YOU.
THAT PARCEL DIRECTLY IN LINE, THE ONE BELOW WE SKIP MR. BATTEN STREET AND WE GO BELOW AGAIN.
AND THEN WE ALREADY HAVE THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO VERY DENSELY POPULATE WITH MULTIFAMILY INTO THIS UNIT AND ALL THESE FOLKS ARE GOING TO BE IN THIS IN THIS POCKET OF TOWN THAT HAS NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING EXCEPT FOR, AS HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED, AN ENGINEERING TEST FACILITY.
SO THE ONLY THING I CAN THINK IS THAT THESE FOLKS ARE GOING TO NATURALLY WANT TO FIND THEIR WAY INTO THE BAYSIDE LAKES AREA, BUT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY SUSTAINABLE FOR EVERYBODY THAT THAT TENDS TO LIVE IN SUCH A MIXED DEVELOPMENT.
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COMMUNITY? BECAUSE IF YOU DID ADD SOMETHING TO THIS PROJECT, NOT ONLY WOULD IT BENEFIT THESE FOLKS, BUT I'M THINKING ABOUT THE OVERALL PICTURE.I'M JUST WHERE ARE THESE FOLKS GOING TO GO? AND AS WE TRY TO MAKE OUR CITY, YOU KNOW, TRANSVERSE ABLE, IF THAT'S THE CORRECT WORD, WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY GET FROM HERE TO THERE, I DON'T SEE HOW INSERTING THESE KIND OF POCKETS WITHOUT CONTINUITY LEADS US TO THAT GOAL.
THAT WAS NOT CONSIDERED ON THIS.
AND I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THE I MEAN, THE COMMERCIAL NODE IS NOT THAT FAR AWAY.
I MEAN, BAYSIDE LAKES IS PRETTY MUCH RIGHT AT THE END OF OF BOMBARDIER DRIVE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF IF COMMERCIAL IN THAT AREA WHERE THERE IS NO COMMERCIAL AT ALL WOULD BE FEASIBLE.
YEAH. YOU KNOW, WE JUST IT'S A BIG PIECE OF PROPERTY WITH A LOT OF UNITS, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE OUT THERE IS A LOT OF LOTS WITH NO RETENTION PONDS, NO OPEN SPACE, AND NONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO DO.
AND IT ACTUALLY YIELDS A PRETTY HIGH DENSITY OF OVER FOUR UNITS PER ACRE OF WHAT'S OUT THERE NOW AS TO WHERE WE'RE JUST OVER FOUR UNITS PER ACRE AND WE'RE PROVIDING OUR OWN RECREATION, WE'RE TAKING OUR OWN STORMWATER SYSTEM AND WE'RE PROVIDING OPEN SPACE WHERE THERE IS NONE.
SO WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE FAIRLY SELF-SUSTAINED.
AND LIKE MOST PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S DIFFERENT.
BUT I DO A LOT OF MY SHOPPING ON MY WAY FROM WORK TO HOME OR HOME TO WORK.
SO THERE'S NO PLACE TO WORK THERE, OBVIOUSLY.
NOW, OBVIOUSLY IN ANY DEVELOPMENT IN ALL DEVELOPMENT REALLY OF THIS WHOLE COUNTY AND THE CITY AND EVEN WHAT WE'RE DOING IN WEST MELBOURNE IS YOU BUILD THE ROOFTOPS AND THEN ONCE THE COMMERCIAL IS WARRANTED, THE COMMERCIAL COMES SO THEY WILL NOT COME IF THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOFTOPS IN THERE IN THEIR RADIUS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.
AND THEN ONCE THEY SEE THAT THEY'VE GOT A CLIENT BASE, THEN THE COMMERCIAL COMES.
I WOULD HAVE RESEARCHED IT IF I KNEW THIS QUESTION WAS COMING, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT FAR.
I DON'T I MEAN, BAYSIDE LAKES IS LESS THAN A MILE AWAY.
SO THAT'S REALLY NOT THAT FAR FOR TO SUPPORT A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS.
AND I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE OWN BUSINESSES THERE WOULD BE THRILLED TO HAVE THE ADDITIONAL ROOFTOPS AND THE ADDITIONAL CUSTOMERS, THE RESTAURANTS, THE SHOPS, THE GROCERY STORE, WHATNOT.
AND YOU'LL PROBABLY SEE SOME OF THOSE YOU MIGHT EVEN SEE SOME GROWTH IN THAT IN THAT AREA.
YOU KNOW, I ADD SOMETHING AS WELL.
THIS AREA, THE ONLY THING TO THE SOUTH OF IT IS THE COMPOUND.
DENSITY GOES FURTHER SOUTH UNTIL IT GETS TO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
SO THERE IS NO ADDITIONAL AREA FOR COMMERCIAL NODES TO COME INTO.
AND THE REALITY IS THAT I WANT TO SHARE WITH NOT ONLY YOU, MR. MOYLE, BUT REALLY THIS BOARD AND ANYBODY THAT WILL HEAR ME IS AT AN AGGREGATE WHEN YOU GET INTO MULTIFAMILY AND YOU START TO INCREASE DENSITY, INCREASE DENSITY. WHEN YOU GET ALL THE WAY TO APARTMENTS, YOU GET TO THE PERSPECTIVE WHERE SOME FOLKS AREN'T NECESSARILY GOING TO LEAVE THAT PLACE ON A REGULAR BASIS, MAYBE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T, BECAUSE THEIR FINANCIAL STATUS DOESN'T INCLUDE THEM HAVING TWO VEHICLES IN THE HOUSEHOLD, WHAT HAVE YOU.
SO I'M THINKING IN THE REALITIES OF MY CITY AND MY NEIGHBORS AND THE PEOPLE THAT I KNOW AND WHERE THEY LIVE AND EVERYWHERE THAT I GO, THAT THERE'S APARTMENTS, I SEE FOOT TRAILS BECAUSE THERE'S NOT SIDEWALK TO THE NEAREST LOCATION THAT SELLS SOMETHING OF SUBSTANCE.
FOLKS NEED TO BE ABLE TO GET TO RESOURCES.
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AND SO WHEN WE PLAN OUT THIS EXPANSION OF OUR CITY CURRENT, PRESENT FUTURE, WE NEED TO BE PLANNING OUT A SYSTEM THAT INTEGRATES WITHIN ITSELF AND ALLOWS FOLKS TO GET AROUND OUR CITY.SO I'M MERELY JUST SHARING WITH YOU MY CONCERN ABOUT THE DENSITY AND ABOUT THE SITUATION WE'RE GOING TO SIGN FOLKS UP FOR WHICH MR. GOOD IS REALLY ALLUDING TO AS WELL.
YOU KNOW, SOMEONE'S GOING TO SEE ONLINE THAT THEY CAN GET A GREAT APARTMENT IN THE GREAT CITY OF PALM BAY THAT'S 0.9 MILES TO A PUBLIX, WHICH I WOULD ASSERT THAT IT'S MORE THAN A MILE, BUT FOR CONVERSATION'S SAKE.
SO WE JUST NEED TO BE CONSCIOUS FOR THE PEOPLE THAT CURRENTLY ARE HERE AND THE PEOPLE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BRING IN OF WHAT COMMUNITY ARE WE CREATING FOR THEM TO LIVE IN? AND THIS IS NOT PICKING ON YOUR PROJECT, MR. MOYA. THIS IS JUST ME SHARING WITH YOU IN THIS POCKET OF LAND THAT IS THE LAST POCKET OF LAND IN THAT AREA THAT SOMETHING CAN BE DONE WITH TO MISS MIRAGES POINT.
SHE SHE WANTS TO SEE IT DONE IN A SUSTAINABLE WAY.
I DO AS WELL BECAUSE SHE SEES THAT IT'S ONE OF THE LAST PARCELS IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I THINK I'VE ABUNDANTLY MADE MY POINT AND I DO APPRECIATE BEING HEARD.
AND MADAM CHAIR, THANK YOU FOR THE RECOGNITION.
MIRAGE. I DON'T WANT TO THANK YOU ORIGINALLY.
THAT'S THE SAME THING THAT I THOUGHT, RIGHT? WHY DON'T WE HAVE THESE WALKABLE CITIES? BUT AFTER BEING ON THE BOARD, I KNOW KIND OF KNOW THE ANSWER.
THEY NEED THE ROOFTOPS TO COME IN.
AND I LOOKED AROUND, WHAT IS IT? WHAT LAND IS AVAILABLE TO? ACTUALLY, MAYBE WE CAN CHANGE TO MIX USE.
BECAUSE I REALIZED THAT YOU WEREN'T GOING TO DO THAT WITH YOUR PROPERTY.
AND I THINK I'VE BEGGED SO MUCH ON THIS BOARD, PLEASE, YOU KNOW, DO THESE MIXED USE.
BUT THEY NEVER COME. AND I WAS ALWAYS TOLD THE ROOFTOPS, THE ROOFTOP, THE ROOFTOPS.
AND SO I KNOW ON MALABAR, I MEAN, IF YOU WALK ALL THE WAY OUT TO MALABAR, I KNOW THERE'S SOME COMMERCIAL THERE AND THERE'S A POSSIBILITY, BUT IT IS WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT, AGAIN, BEING ABLE TO HAVE THAT WALKABLE CITY, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT EITHER THE 5 MINUTES OR 10 MINUTES OR 15 MINUTES CITY WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY WALK AROUND.
WE DON'T HAVE TRANSPORTATION, ESPECIALLY IN THE SOUTHWEST AND SOUTHEAST OF THE AREA.
SO WE DO HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE LITERALLY STUCK AT HOME AND CAN'T GET TO PUBLIX BECAUSE AS MUCH AS YOU SEE THAT, THAT'S A $15 UBER RIDE DOWN THERE TO COME BACK.
SO IT'S PROBABLY COST THEM $30 JUST TO GO GET TO BAYSIDE LAKES.
SO I DO AGREE WITH MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBER HERE THAT WE ARE NOT BEING REALISTIC.
I KNOW THE ROOFTOPS, BUT EVEN CREATING AREAS THAT EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT DOING IT NOW FOR THE POSSIBILITY, I KNOW WE CAN'T CHANGE YOUR THING NOW, BUT I THINK THAT IS WHERE WE SHOULD START LOOKING, BECAUSE IN REALITY, OUR YOUNG PEOPLE, THEY ARE NOT DRIVING OUR OLDER PEOPLE THAT MOVE HERE.
SO THAT KIND OF MODEL IS GOING TO FADE OUT.
SIMPLE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T IT ISN'T PRACTICAL.
SO I DO HOPE AND I DO HOPE STAFF WILL KIND OF TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AS WELL.
WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE PROJECTS, HOW CAN WE INTEGRATE THAT WHEN THE ROOFTOP COMES AND DESIRE IS THERE? PEOPLE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO COME TO US TO REZONE A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
THEY CAN ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S THERE AND PEOPLE CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT, ESPECIALLY FOR SMALL BUSINESSES, BECAUSE I COULD SEE A LITTLE JAMAICAN RESTAURANT RIGHT IN THE CORNER THERE. I THINK MY.
YOU MIGHT, YOU KNOW, WHEN? WHEN. WHEN BOMBARDIER OR WHEN THE RV GOES THROUGH, YOU MIGHT SEE I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, COMMERCIAL LIKES TO BE ON COLLECTOR ROADS.
SO YOU MIGHT SEE SOME STUFF POP.
YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME REQUESTS WHERE PEOPLE SAY, HEY, I WANT TO REZONE THAT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TO COMMERCIAL BECAUSE I WANT TO PUT A LITTLE STORE THERE LIKE YOU SEE ON EMERSON BY JUPITER, WHERE THERE'S WHERE THERE'S FINALLY THERE WAS FINALLY ENOUGH ROOFTOPS WHERE THEY ACTUALLY CAME IN AND REZONE AND CREATED THESE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
BUT IT WAS AFTER THE FACT AND THERE'S NOT ENOUGH RESIDENTIAL UNITS HERE, NOT EVEN ON THIS PROPERTY TO EVEN MEET, COME CLOSE TO MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS TO HAVE ANY COMMERCIAL COME, UNFORTUNATELY.
AND MAYBE THAT'S A GOOD PLACE FOR IT.
OR MAYBE THAT'LL GENERATE A LOT OF INTEREST IN IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
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AND THAT'S WHERE THE MILLENNIALS LIKE TO BE, WHERE THE ACTION IS.I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO GET YOU THERE AND THAT'S GOING TO BE REAL NICE.
THIS IS KIND OF ON THE URBAN ON THE RURAL URBAN FRINGE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S IDEAL FOR FOR FOR THAT TYPE OF THING THERE NOW.
I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY KIND OF MULTIMODAL FACILITY ANYWHERE IN THIS AREA.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, PALM BAY AND HISTORICALLY IS NOT PLANNED FOR MULTIMODAL.
I MEAN, YOUR CITY IS BIG AND BIG, MAKES IT HARD TO BE WALKABLE.
AND THE FACT THAT SIDEWALKS WERE NEVER PUT IN BACK WHEN THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN WAY BACK IN THE DAY.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CONNECTIVITY.
YOU KNOW, HERE WE'LL HAVE INTERNAL CONNECTIVITY.
I DO REALIZE THAT WE WILL SEE IT COME.
SO IF THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER QUESTION.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. MAURYA. THANK YOU. FOR THE RECORD, THERE IS A LETTER IN THE FILE IN APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST OR IS NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST? ANYONE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK AGAINST THE REQUEST.
PATTON. BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST.
SO WHAT I'M GOING TO ADDRESS NOW IS JUST THE LAND USE CHANGE.
THESE ARE THE SAME DEVELOPERS.
NAPLES ARE THE PEOPLE THAT PURCHASED THE PROPERTY WHEN THEY PURCHASED IT.
IN FACT, THERE WAS A DAIRY ON THAT PROPERTY AT THAT TIME.
SO THAT'S WHERE THOSE TREES, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS PLANT, THESE PLANTS COME FROM.
IT WASN'T BECAUSE IT WAS A GREAT FIND.
IT'S BECAUSE IT WAS A FAMILY THAT DECIDED TO SETTLE HERE IN FLORIDA.
THE CITY. THE CURRENTLY IS ALWAYS CHANGING ZONING BASED ON WHAT THE DEVELOPER WANTS.
CASE IN POINT, I JUST BROUGHT UP THIS BUILDER.
THIS DEVELOPER BOUGHT THE PROPERTY IN 2005.
THEY BOUGHT AGRICULTURAL LAND.
THEN THEY TRIED TO HAVE RESIDENTIAL ON IT AND THE CITY CHANGED IT TO RESIDENTIAL AT THAT TIME.
THEN IT WAS CHANGED AGAIN IN 2009 TO INDUSTRIAL, WHICH MEANS MAJOR CHANGES.
THIS IS MAJOR ACREAGE THAT IS BEING CHANGED IN 2009 2010 THAT WAS REVAMPED INTO HIGH END INDUSTRIAL.
AND THEN IN 22, WE ARE NOW TRYING TO CHANGE IT BACK TO RESIDENTIAL AGAIN.
SO MY QUESTION WITH THAT IS, WHAT DOES THE NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAY THIS PROPERTY SHOULD BE? WELL, YOU ASKED. WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT.
WELL, BILL BATTEN HAPPENS TO HAVE A COPY OF IT RIGHT HERE OF THE 2020 OF THE 2040 VERSION.
AND THEY'RE SHOWING THAT PROPERTY IN THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THEY'RE SHOWING IT AS INDUSTRIAL.
I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT THIS IS GOOD IDEA OR A BAD IDEA.
I'M JUST TRYING TO LET THE COUNTY LET THE BOARD SEE THAT THAT'S WHAT IS CURRENTLY ON THE PLAN.
SO I JUST WANT TO KEEP THAT IN THE MINDSET.
IS IT BETTER TO BE INDUSTRIAL OR IS IT BETTER TO BE IN RESIDENTIAL? I PERSONALLY DON'T KNOW.
I CAN GO BACK TO THE 2010 STAFF REPORT, WHICH I HAPPEN TO HAVE COPIES WITH, WHERE THEY SAY THEY ARE GOING TO BE PLANNING FOR THE POTENTIAL BUILD SAME DEVELOPERS FOR A POTENTIAL BUILD ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY.
AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE CRITERIA IN ACCEPTANCE FOR THEIR PREVIOUS LAND CHANGE.
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OK NOW BACK INTO BOTTOM LINE ON THAT PORTION IS SO WHAT DOES THE NEW COMP HAVE TO SAY? IF WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS, THEN WE SHOULDN'T BE MAKING A MAJOR CHANGE ON ONE OF THE LAST INDUSTRIAL AREAS THAT THE CURRENT LAND MASS CHANGE HAS. I DON'T YOU CAN'T SEE THAT AS THAT SMALL PURPLE DOT RIGHT SMACK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PLOT.THAT'S IT. SO WHY DON'T WE WAIT UNTIL WE SEE WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ACTUAL RECOMMENDATION IS? BECAUSE WE'RE SPENDING THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO REWORK OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
NEXT ITEM. LOOKING LOOKING AT THE STAFF REPORT SHOWS AN EXISTING USE.
IT SAYS TO THE EAST RURAL RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS TRUE.
BUT THE REPORT SAYS VACANT LAND.
IT'S NOT VACANT. I LIVE THERE AND IT'S OWNED ONE HOUSE PER ACRE.
I OWN FIVE, SIX ACRES AND I PUT A HOUSE IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.
IT'S MAXIMUM DEVELOPED TO MY TO MY STANDARD TO THE WEST.
IT SAYS L ONE AND THEY CALL IT AS VACANT.
L ONE HAPPENS TO BE BOMBARDIER TEST SITE.
IT'S AN INDUSTRIAL SITE FULLY IN USE, DAY IN, DAY OUT, ALMOST AROUND THE CLOCK.
SOMETIMES IT'S FULL USE, YET THEY WANT TO HAVE THE PROPERTY RIGHT NEXT TO IT.
THE WEST. AND LIKE YOU SAID, IT IS A COMMERCIAL TEST SITE AND IT RUNS AROUND THE CLOCK.
RIGHT. ALSO IN THE SAME STAFF REPORTS GOING BACK TO 2010, LOOKING AT STAFF REPORTS, MAKING COMPARISON TO THE CURRENT STAFF REPORT SHOWS THE WETLANDS. I'M LOOKING AT THE DOCUMENTATION.
WHY THIS ONE REASON WHY I'M NOT SURE IF WE SHOULD CHANGE OR NOT.
IT'S I CAN'T SEE ANYTHING LISTED IN ANY OF THE PLANS THAT LISTS WHERE THE WETLANDS ARE.
I WILL ADDRESS OTHER THINGS IN THE BUILDING PORTION IN THE NEXT PHASE, BUT THAT'S WHERE I'M AT.
I KNOW WHAT THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT'S WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS, BECAUSE THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY HAS BEEN CHANGED FIVE TIMES AND THE TIME THAT I HAVE LIVED THERE SINCE 1988.
THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK AGAINST THIS PROJECT? AND MR. MORELLA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS.
YES. THANK YOU. AND I WILL ALSO STICK WITH THE THE LAND USE, AS MR. BATTEN DID THE LAND USE IN THE SURROUNDING AREA, EXCEPT FOR TO THE NORTH.
SO TO THE NORTH YOU HAVE INDUSTRIAL, TO THE WEST YOU HAVE INDUSTRIAL, BUT TO THE EAST AND SOUTH YOU HAVE SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL, FIVE UNITS TO THE ACRE.
WE ARE PROPOSING MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL AT LESS THAN FIVE UNITS PER ACRE.
THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF COMPATIBILITY.
REGARDLESS OF WHAT'S HAPPENED OVER THE I MEAN, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS A LONG TIME AND I'VE SEEN THE WAVES AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE MULTI-FAMILY IS HOT, SOMETIMES SINGLE FAMILY HOT, SOMETIMES COMMERCIAL IS HOT.
WILL IT CHANGE WITH THE WITH THE DESIRES OF THE PROPERTY OWNER? OF COURSE. WHATEVER'S GOING TO ACTUALLY MAKE IT DEVELOP BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT NOBODY WANTS, YOU'RE JUST WASTING YOUR MONEY.
THE VARIETY OF HOUSING IN THE CITY PALM BAY IS NEEDED BADLY.
YOUR STAFF IS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.
I WON'T SPEAK ABOUT THE ZONING.
BUT SO ADJACENT AND SURROUNDED BY A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL FIVE UNITS PER ACRE, WE'RE PROPOSING MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL AT LESS THAN FIVE UNITS PER ACRE. SO I THINK ON THAT MERIT I'LL.
I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU STILL HAVE ANY.
A COUPLE OF THINGS. MY MY MAIN CONCERN WITH THIS WITH THIS IS IS IS TRAFFIC.
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TO WHERE EXIST RIGHT NOW FROM GARBAGEMAN TO MALABAR ROAD.YOU KNOW IF YOU LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC STUDY, THE TRAFFIC STUDY SAYS THAT ACTUALLY THERE'S POTENTIALLY MORE TRAFFIC CREATED BY ITS CURRENT ZONING AND LAND USES LIGHT INDUSTRIAL RATHER THAN MULTIFAMILY.
BUT HAVING SAID THAT, THIS AREA IS SURROUNDED BY CANALS ON THE ON THE NORTHEAST AND WEST.
TO ME, IT'S SOMEWHAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE BECAUSE OF THOSE THOSE THINGS.
SO WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE INDUSTRIAL IN THERE, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL OR MULTIFAMILY, WHICH WILL BE CONNECTED TO CITY WATER AND CITY SEWER? YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE CHOICE OF THE TWO, I'LL HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, GO WITH THE THE THE MULTIFAMILY.
HAVING SAID THAT, MOTION TO APPROVE CP 14 2022.
A MOTION BY MR. WEINBERG, SECONDED BY MR. BOEREMA. ALL IN FAVOR I ALL OPPOSED OPPOSE A.
TILLMAN WATER CONTROL DISTRICT DRAINAGE CANAL 16.
AGAIN, THE SIZE IS APPROXIMATELY 191 ACRES AND LAND.
THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE IS INDUSTRIAL AND THE CURRENT ZONING DISTRICT IS G GENERAL USE HOLDING.
JUPITER BAY. I'M SORRY, THAT IS A HOLDOVER FROM THE OTHER ONE.
IT IS A MIXED RESIDENTIAL AREA WHICH HAS 850, 850 UNITS INSIDE OF IT.
SO THE INTENT AND PURPOSE OF THE ZONING DISTRICT IS TO ENCOURAGE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PLANNED RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMMUNITIES THAT PROVIDE A FULL RANGE OF RESIDENTIAL TYPES, AS WELL AS COMMERCIAL USES DESIGNED TO SERVE THE INHABITANTS OF THE PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
AND IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT IN THE INTENT AND PURPOSE IT DOES NOT REQUIRE COMMERCIAL USES.
THAT IS JUST SOMETHING THAT CAN BE PROMOTED INSIDE OF A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT AS WELL.
THE INTENT IS THAT THERE IS A DIVERSIFICATION OF RESIDENTIAL TYPES, WHICH THIS DOES CORROBORATE WITH BEFORE YOU IS THE OVERALL LAYOUT FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED FOR THIS OVERALL PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
AND STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL SUBJECT TO STAFF COMMENTS LISTED INSIDE OF THE STAFF REPORT.
STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL.
MR. ANDERSON, DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MADAM CHAIR, CAN WE HAVE THE MAP FOR.
WE JUST PAUSE ON THAT? ABSOLUTELY.
THANK YOU. THAT'S MY ONLY INQUIRY, MADAM CHAIR.
YES. SO YOU SAID STAFF COMMENTS.
COULD YOU ELABORATE WHICH ONE? BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHICH ONE.
SO THE STAFF COMMENTS THAT BEGIN AS THE TECHNICAL COMMENTS ON PAGE.
ALL RIGHT. ONE. FOUR OF THE STAFF REPORT.
PAGE FOUR OF THE STAFF REPORT BEGINNING WITH DEVIATIONS FROM SECTION.
IT JUST MENTIONS THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A SLIGHT RECALCULATION WITH THE GROSS ACREAGE, FOR INSTANCE, FROM THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT, WHERE ORIGINALLY IT WAS CALCULATED WITH WHERE THEY'RE COVERING THE DEVELOPMENT RATHER THAN THE GROSS ACREAGE.
SO IT WON'T DRASTICALLY CHANGE THEIR THEIR PROJECT.
IF ANYTHING, IT ACTUALLY REDUCES THE ACREAGE AND REDUCES THE DENSITY.
I APOLOGIZE BECAUSE YOU'RE INCREASING THE ACREAGE THAT YOU'RE DIVIDING THE DENSITY BY.
SO IF ANYTHING, THIS WILL REDUCE THEIR OVERALL DENSITY ONCE THIS IS RECALCULATED.
AND THEN THE OTHER PORTION IS THAT THE OPEN SPACE JUST NEEDS TO BE AT LEAST 25%.
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COMMENTS THEM FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS.SO JUST SO THAT I UNDERSTAND, I HEARD THE APPLICANTS SAY THAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO 34% OPEN SPACES.
YEAH, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THAT THEY'RE UNDER 25%.
IT'S THAT WE NEED TO IDENTIFY SPECIFY A SPECIFIED DELINEATIONS IN CERTAIN AREAS.
FOR INSTANCE, THERE IS AN AREA OF PARKING FOR THE MULTIFAMILY THAT HAS SHOWN SORRY FOR THIS AREA THAT HAS SHOWN SOME INTERESTING POINTS WHERE WE WANT TO JUST CLARIFY THESE IN THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
I APOLOGIZE. I WAS MIXING IT UP FOR A SECOND, BUT WE WANTED TO JUST HAVE FURTHER CLARIFICATION.
IT'S NOT THAT THEY AREN'T MEETING THESE, IT'S JUST MAKING SURE THAT THE NUMBERS ARE CONCRETE BECAUSE THEY WILL GO IN THE OVERALL FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT ARE GOING TO BE PART OF THE COVENANTS. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY AREN'T MISCONSTRUED BY ANY MEANS IN THE INITIAL PERIOD.
OKAY, GOOD. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
AND THEN WHEN THE APPLICANT CAME FORWARD.
BUT EVEN BRUCE MOYA WITH MVP ENGINEERING REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.
SO THIS IS THE THIS IS THE PLAN.
SO THIS IS WHERE REALLY EVERYTHING WHERE WE CAN TALK ABOUT REALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE AND WE'RE ASKING FOR THE REZONING BECAUSE THE ZONING ISN'T EVEN CONSISTENT NOW WITH THE LAND USE.
AND IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT CONSISTENT WITH INDUSTRIAL, BUT IT WOULD BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH RESIDENTIAL.
SO THE REQUEST IS TO DO THE PWD AND WE LIKE THE PWD.
I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR THE CITY BECAUSE YOU GET THOSE OPEN SPACES AND YOU AND YOU, YOU REALLY GET TO DESIGN THIS WITH, WITH LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY AND THE SURROUNDINGS WITHOUT JUST PUTTING IN LOTS FROM PROPERTY LINE TO PROPERTY LINE.
YOU DO IT WITH PURPOSE AND YOU PROVIDE THINGS THAT PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO LIVE HERE ARE GOING TO ENJOY, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, BUFFERS AND OPEN SPACE AND RECREATION TRACKS. SO WE WANT TO ASK FOR THE ZONING.
YOU KNOW, WE WE DID TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY TO GET GARVEY ROAD TO CONNECT FROM BOMBARDIER TO TO MALABAR AT NO EXPENSE TO THE CITY.
THAT'LL BE THE DEVELOPER'S GOING TO PAY FOR THAT 100%.
I THINK THAT'S GOING TO THAT THAT'S REALLY GOING TO CHANGE.
I THINK THIS AREA FOR THE BETTER, BECAUSE IT'LL MAKE IT ONE MORE CONNECTED.
BUT NOT TODAY, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE THINK THE DENSITY IS APPROPRIATE.
WE THINK THE LAYOUT IS APPROPRIATE.
WE THINK WE'VE TAKEN EVERYTHING INTO ACCOUNT WITH THE SURROUNDINGS WE'RE GOING TO I MEAN, BASICALLY, WE'RE GOING TO IMPROVE THIS PROPERTY ENVIRONMENTALLY BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S I MEAN, AGRICULTURE IS ONE OF THE WORST POLLUTERS OF SURFACE WATER.
AND IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH MELBOURNE, TILMAN.
YOU HAVE TO REDUCE YOUR DISCHARGE.
WHAT, OVER FROM MAYBE ONE ACRE, ONE CFS PER ACRE TO 0.08 CFS PER ACRE.
SO IT WILL BE A MASSIVE IMPROVEMENT TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPROVEMENT TO THE AREA.
WE WILL BE BRINGING WATER AND SEWER.
WE WILL BE IMPROVING THE ROAD.
WE WILL BE PROVIDING INTERNAL PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION FOR ALL THE AMENITIES AND PROVIDING FOR BUFFERS AROUND THE PERIMETER, AS WELL AS A 100 FOOT BUFFER TO THE WEST TO BUFFER US FROM THE THE INDUSTRIAL, WHICH ALSO HAS AN ADDITIONAL ALMOST 100 FOOT CANAL RIGHT AWAY.
SO WE'RE ALMOST 200 FEET FROM THAT PROPERTY FROM THE CLOSEST HOUSE.
SO WE THINK WE'VE TAKEN EVERYTHING INTO CONSIDERATION AND I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
I THINK I ASKED AT THE LAST MEETING ALSO ABOUT GARVEY BEING FOUR LANES.
YEAH, BUT THAT IS NOT WARRANTED AT THIS TIME.
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IF IT WAS IF IT WAS, WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IT.IS THERE GOING TO BE LAND AVAILABLE? YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD RIGHT TO.
AND TRYING TO YOU CAN GET THE ROAD TO GO THROUGH.
WELL, WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE IT WORK.
IF WE HAVE TO ACQUIRE PROPERTY TO MAKE IT WORK, WE'LL HAVE TO DO THAT.
AND WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THAT IF WE NEED TO DO STORMWATER.
NOW, IF THE CITY DECIDES THAT THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING OVER AND ABOVE, I'M SURE THERE'LL BE SOME CONVERSATIONS TO BE HAD ABOUT IMPACT CREDITS AND THINGS LIKE THAT IF IT'S DEEMED NECESSARY. I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT YET.
IT'S NOT WARRANTED IN THE STUDY, BUT SHOULD THE CITY COUNCIL DECIDE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY WANT TO LOOK INTO? OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD WE WOULD PARTNER WITH THEM TO DO WHATEVER IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY WANT AND THEN WE'LL WE'LL COOPERATE ON HOW IT GETS PAID FOR.
I THINK THAT'S OBVIOUSLY FOR COUNCIL TO DECIDE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THEY WANT TO ENTERTAIN, BUT WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH THEM IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY FEEL IS IS SOMETHING THEY NEED IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD AN RV ON YOUR PROPERTY, TWO LANES.
IS THERE GOING TO BE ENOUGH ROOM WITHOUT EMINENT DOMAIN BY THE CITY TO TO ACQUIRE MORE LAND FOR TWO MORE LANES? I GO YOU CAN'T GO TO THE EAST BECAUSE THE CANALS, THEY'RE RIGHT, CAN'T GO ON THE OTHER SIDE OF CANAL.
THE CURRENT HOMEOWNERS OWN THAT PROPERTY UP TO THE CANAL.
RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE DEDICATING THAT 40 FEET.
I THINK THAT WAS THE DENSITY QUESTION.
AND I'M NOT SURE IF IF THAT PROPERTY WAS ALREADY DEDICATED OR IT NEEDS TO BE DEDICATED.
ROADWAYS ARE EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE TO DESIGN.
SO BUT WE WILL DO IT AND WE WILL WORK WITH THE CITY TO DO WHATEVER IT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
AND IF THEY DO NEED TO ACQUIRE PROPERTY, THEN WE'LL PARTNER WITH THE CITY TO GET THAT THAT PROPERTY.
WELL, THEY CAN'T ACQUIRE PROPERTY IF YOU HAVE HOUSES ON IT.
WELL, WE'RE OUR PROPERTY IS ALREADY GIVEN THE 40 FEET.
WE GAVE AN ADDITIONAL 40 FEET, WHICH IS MORE THAN I BELIEVE.
TO. TO THE NORTH OR THE SOUTH OF THIS PROBLEM.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK THAT MAYBE THEY THOUGHT THEY GAVE IT, BUT THEY HAVEN'T.
SO 40 MORE FEET, PLENTY OF ROOM TO BUILD THAT ROAD.
SO THAT'S THAT THAT'S GUARANTEE WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THE CITY THAT 40.
I'M JUST WORRIED IT'S GOING TO BE A FEEDER ROAD.
IT'S GOING TO BE FOUR LANES EVENTUALLY.
IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE EVENTUALLY.
WE GOT AN IN WITH OUR PRESIDENT RIGHT NOW.
RIGHT. THIS IS WHY WE'RE DOING OUR PART NOW.
THANK YOU. MR. MOYA, FOR THE RECORD, THERE IS ONE LETTER IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT IN THE FILE.
THANK YOU. IT'S NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST? FOR ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK AGAINST THIS REQUEST.
BRATTON. BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTH WEST.
SO HOW DO YOU MAKE PLANS? HOW DO YOU MAKE PROPOSALS IF YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO'S GOING TO BE THE DEVELOPER FOR IT AND WHAT THEIR PLANS OF DEVELOPMENT ARE? BUT THEY'RE REQUESTING A CHANGE TO HAVE THE CHANGE IN CASE THEY DECIDE TO MAKE A CHANGE.
YOU'RE GETTING AHEAD OF YOURSELF.
BUT ONCE IT'S APPROVED, REMEMBER, ONCE IT GETS APPROVED, IT'S A DONE DEAL.
WE JUST SAW THIS IN A PREVIOUS THING WHERE IT SAID ORIGINALLY IT WAS SINGLE STORY.
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NOW IT CAME BEFORE YOU AGAIN AND IT'S DOUBLE STORY ON SOME OF THE LOCATIONS AND IT'S FOR STORY ON OTHER LOCATIONS.BUT THAT BEING SAID, GET ON TO THE HOMEWORK BILL.
OKAY. NOW I'M GOING WITH THE ASSUMPTION THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO BE APPROVED.
AND I HAVE SOME PROS AND CONS WITH IT.
ALL RIGHT. MY FIRST QUESTION IS, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR THE DEVELOPER TO POTENTIALLY AND I'M THINKING OF THIS AS THE DEVELOPMENT AND FOR THE CITY HAVE A BACK ENTRANCE POTENTIALLY ONTO MADDEN ROAD.
SO IF SOMETHING HAPPENED ON THIS ON GARVEY, THEY COULD STILL GET OUT TO A BACK ACCESS BECAUSE THEIR PROPERTY ABUTS MADDEN ON THE BACKSIDE OF IT, THEY COULD ACCESS ONTO IT. THEY BUY ONE LOT AND THEY CAN HAVE AN EMERGENCY EXIT OUT JUST IN CASE SOMETHING HAPPENED.
I THINK THAT'S A SMALL, SMALL REQUEST.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE LIKE ITEM NUMBER TWO.
THIS IS PERSONAL FOR BILL BATTEN MOVED THEIR SOUTH ENTRANCE TO ALIGN WITH THE OUTFALL OUTFALL PIPES ON OCEAN SPRAY OR THE NEXT DEVELOPMENT UP.
BECAUSE THE WAY IT IS NOW, THERE'S ONLY ONE RESIDENT TO THE EAST AND THAT'S ME.
THEIR DRIVEWAY IS THAT CARS COME IN AND OUT OF THEIR ENTRANCE TO THE SOUTH.
IT SHINES RIGHT IN MY BEDROOM WINDOW.
THAT'S YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S GOOD, BAD OR AND JUST INDIFFERENCE, BUT IF THEY JUST HAD THE ENTRANCE UP ACROSS THE CANAL IN LINE WITH THE CANAL TO THE EAST, THEN IT WOULDN'T BE IN LINE WITH ANYBODY.
NO RESIDENTS, NO HOUSES, NOTHING.
IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN, I UNDERSTAND THAT WAS A PERSONAL REQUEST FROM BILL BATTEN.
IF PART OF THE AGREEMENT TO HAVE THIS DEVELOPMENT BUILT IS THAT THE ROAD HAS TO CONNECT FROM BOMBARDIER ALL THE WAY TO GARVEY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CANAL. I THINK THAT'S CANAL 16, I THINK I'M NOT SURE ON CANAL 16 WHO IS GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT? AND IF IT'S THE CITY OF PALM BAY, THEY DON'T HAVE FUNDING FOR IT.
SO THIS SHOULD NOT BE APPROVED UNTIL THEY HAVE THE FUNDING TO BUILD THE ROAD.
RIGHT. AND THAT LEADS TO THE NEXT QUESTION.
A MASSIVE BRIDGE HAS TO BE BUILT ACROSS GARVEY ROAD TO CONNECT GARVEY.
IT WAS ORIGINALLY THERE WHEN I MOVED HERE, BUT THE BRIDGE WAS TAKEN OUT BECAUSE IT WAS FOUND UNSAFE.
SO THE ROAD ON GARVEY THAT DID CONNECT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO BOMBARDIER WAS TAKEN OUT FOR SOME REASON.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT WAS, BUT THE ROAD DID CONNECT AT ONE TIME.
BUT NOW THE ROAD. NOW A BRIDGE HAS TO BE PUT IN.
IT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY ON GARVEY ROAD.
THAT IS A MASSIVE BRIDGE ACROSS TILLMAN CANAL.
AND IT HAPPENS TO COME IN AT A T WHERE ONE ONE CANAL COMES IN AND THE PRIMARY CANAL CROSSES.
SO THAT MAKES IT EVEN MORE COMPLICATED.
YOU NOW HAVE WHAT WE CALL A TT BOX BUILD.
MY QUESTION IS, IS THE BUILDER GOING TO BE STUCK WITH THAT OR ARE THE RESIDENTS OF PALM BAY GOING TO BE STUCK WITH THAT? AND I KNOW THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE THE FUNDING FOR IT AND I'M NOT SURE IF THE BUILDER IS GOING TO GO WITH IT.
THAT'S WHAT I'M HOPING, BUT I'M NOT SURE.
NEXT ONE WOULD WOULD THE DEVELOPER CONSIDER PUTTING IN A NORTHBOUND ENTRANCE LANE? INTO THE PROPERTY.
IF YOU'RE GOING UP GARVEY ROAD, THEY PUT A TURN LANE FOR THE TRAFFIC HEADING SOUTH.
BUT THAT DOESN'T BLOCK ANY TRAFFIC PULLING INTO THE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEY'VE ADDED A LEFT TURN LANE, BUT IT'S IN THE SAME DIRECTION AS THE TRAFFIC IS FLOWING.
SO IT DOESN'T CAUSE A PROBLEM, BUT THEY PUT A TURN LANE IN THERE.
SO IF THEY CAN CONSIDER MAKING THAT TURN LANE IN THE OPPOSITE NORTH DIRECTION INSTEAD OF THE SOUTH DIRECTION, IT WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL AND THAT THEY COULD DO THAT ON BOTH ENTRANCES OF THEIR PROPERTY.
THE NEXT ONE, WE'RE NOT SURE BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHO THE DEVELOPER IS.
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PART OF THE THINGS I'M LOOKING AT, IT COMES BACK TO THE PROPERTY THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT FOR PROPERTY DESIGNATED ALONG FOR THE GARVEY ROAD BUILD.THE CITY OF PALM BAY ALREADY OWNS THE PROPERTY THAT THEY'RE CONSIDERING THAT FOR PAVING ON GARVEY IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT IT THAT'S ALREADY OWNED BY THE CITY, I THINK IT'S 40 FEET WIDE, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE.
SO MY QUESTION IS, I NOW HEAR THIS DEVELOPMENT FOR THIS PLAN.
THEY'RE SAYING, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO DEDICATE 40 FEET.
IS THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH WHAT THE CITY ALREADY OWNS ALONG ALONG GARVEY ROAD, OR IS THEY'RE SAYING, WELL, 15 YEARS AGO WE DONATED LAND TO THE CITY WHEN WE THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE AN INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT COMING IN EITHER WAY.
YOU CAN'T GO BACK TO WHAT WAS GIVEN WHEN YOU'RE SAYING THIS IS WHAT IT IS NOW.
SO I ASKED, ARE THERE ANY TAX ABATEMENTS WITH THIS PROPERTY? THE NEXT ONE WAS AS YOUR PRIMARY OUTFLOW.
AND I FOUND THE ANSWER TO THIS WHEN I WASN'T SURE IF IT'S GOING TO BE ON 1613 AND THEY SAY THE PRIMARY OUTFLOW OF THE PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE GOING TO CANAL NUMBER 12. AND I HOPE THAT'S TRUE BECAUSE THAT'S THE FURTHEST ONE AWAY FROM WHERE THE RESIDENTS ARE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND THAT WILL GET THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF WATER AWAY FROM CANAL 13, BECAUSE I HAVE PICTURES AND I DIDN'T BRING THEM WITH ME TONIGHT WHERE I HAVE CANAL 13 ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP AND FLOWING BACK IN TO MY PROPERTY.
AND I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT'S WHAT IT WAS.
AND THEN THEY'VE ALREADY PUT THE CELL ROAD INTO THE CELL TOWER.
RIGHT. THE NEXT QUESTION WAS, WILL THIS WILL THIS BE BUILT IN STAGES? BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHO THE CONTRACTOR IS, SO I CAN'T SAY IF THAT'S POSSIBLE OR NOT, BUT WHICH STAGE WAS GOING TO BE BUILT FIRST AND GO ALL THE ROADS ALONG WITH THE INSIDE INFRASTRUCTURE BE COMPLETED PRIOR TO PEOPLE MOVING IN.
IT SHOWS WHERE AT ONE TIME, EXCUSE ME, I'M RUNNING OUT OF AIR.
IT SHOWS WHERE THERE WAS A COQUINA MINE IN THE PROCESS.
WELL, THAT HAPPENS TO BE WHERE THEY'RE BUILDING THEIR TOWNHOUSES AND PART OF A LAKE.
ARE THEY GOING TO FINISH MINING OUT THE COQUINA OR DO WE KNOW OR ARE THEY GOING TO FILL THAT OLD MINE IN, REPACK IT AND START OVER? I'M JUST CURIOUS, BUT THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE WHAT THEIR HOW THEY DECIDE TO WORK THAT.
SO THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.
I'M NOT SURE WHICH IS BETTER FOR BILL BATTEN LIVING HERE FOR AS LONG AS I HAVE.
THE ONLY THING THAT HAS BEEN CONSISTENT ON THAT PROPERTY HAS BEEN COWS.
AND AS LONG AS I'VE LIVED HERE, THAT'S ALL THAT'S BEEN HERE.
THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT HAS BEEN CONSISTENT WITH THIS THING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW.
AND EVENTUALLY, YOU WON'T HAVE LAND TO HAVE YOUR STEAKS ANYMORE.
JUST CONSIDER THAT LITTLE THOUGHT PROCESS.
BUT IF YOU'RE VEGETARIAN, IT PROBABLY WON'T MATTER.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE? YOU'RE IT RIGHT THERE ON THE PODIUM.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
RUSTY MITCHELL, 1455, SOUTH WICKHAM, WEST MELBOURNE, FLORIDA.
I JUST WANTED TO COME UP AND MAKE A COUPLE COMMENTS.
I'LL HAVE BRUCE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE TECHNICAL STUFF.
I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT AND ASKED ABOUT THE MAKEUP OF THE PROJECT.
I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW, WE WENT TO A LOT OF THE CITY'S WORKSHOPS THAT THEY WERE HAVING.
I THINK YOU HAD SOME IN THIS ROOM, PEOPLE PUTTING THE DIFFERENT STICKERS ON.
SO THE MIX OF THIS REALLY CAME FROM ALL THOSE WORKSHOPS.
WE HEARD A NEED FOR TOWNHOMES OR NEED FOR MULTIFAMILY, SINGLE FAMILY WITH THE DIFFERENT SIZES.
SO THAT WAS THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE GOT FROM THE COMMUNITY AND FROM THE PUBLIC WORKSHOPS.
SO I WANT TO KNOW HOW THIS PLAN CAME UP WITH.
THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY. MR. MOREY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO.
ANY OTHER. PERSON IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WANTS THIS BIG OR AGAINST THIS PROJECT.
SEEING NOW, MR. MOORE, YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THIS? SO I THINK I'VE GOT ALL THE ANSWERS FOR MR.
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BANTON'S QUESTIONS.BUT SERIOUSLY, THE AND I THINK I DID STATE THIS.
IT WAS I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IS THAT THE THE EXTENSION OF GARVEY ROAD WHERE ENDS NOW ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE CANAL TO BOMBARDIER, WILL BE PAID FOR 100% BY THE DEVELOPER.
IT WILL BE DONE AT NO COST TO THE CITY OF PALM BAY.
JUST REMEMBER, THIS IS THIS IS NOT THE END.
THIS IS THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL.
THERE'S STILL A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL.
SO THIS JUST TELLS US THAT WE CAN PROCEED TO FINALIZE THE PLAN THAT WILL ULTIMATELY BE HERE FOR YOU TO LOOK AT AGAIN IN ITS FINAL FORM. BECAUSE THIS IS THAT'S KIND OF THE WAY YOU GUYS OUTLINE THIS PROCESS SO THAT THE DEVELOPER DOESN'T SPEND HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO FIND OUT THAT HE CAN'T DO WHAT HE WANTS TO DO. SO IF YOU GENERALLY APPROVE THIS, THAT WE'RE GOING TO PROCEED TO FINE TUNE ALL THOSE DETAILS AND COME BACK TO THIS BOARD TO GET THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL.
AND THAT WILL HAVE MORE DETAIL ON IT AND WE'LL AND HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION AND MAYBE WE WILL ACTUALLY LOOK INTO POSSIBLY RELOCATING THAT DRIVE.
BASED ON HIS COMMENTS, WE WILL INVESTIGATE THAT AND WE'LL LOOK AT THAT.
AND IF IT'S REALLY EASY TO DO, THEN I DON'T SEE WHY IT WOULDN'T SURPRISE WITH THIS A LARGE LOT THAT HE'S GOT ALL THOSE TREES THAT YOU COULD EVEN SEE A LIGHT EVEN IF YOU SIGNED IT RIGHT INTO HIS PROPERTY.
BUT NONETHELESS, WE WILL DEFINITELY LOOK AT THAT.
THE OUTFALL REQUIREMENT WILL BE DETERMINED BY MELBOURNE TILMAN.
I CAN'T COME UP HERE AND SAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO DISCHARGE THE 13, 12 OR 16.
I IMAGINE WE'RE GOING TO DISCHARGE THE 12.
AND YES, WE WILL BUILD THAT CROSSING.
WE WILL BUILD THAT BRIDGE ACROSS THE CANAL.
CAN'T GET THERE IF WE DON'T BUILD IT.
SO WE WILL REBUILD THAT AND IT WILL BE BETTER THAN IT WAS.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR A FACT.
THAT'S PROBABLY BUT I WOULD IMAGINE THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT HAPPENED.
THE PROJECT WILL OBVIOUSLY BE BUILT IN PHASES.
I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY WITH THE FIREPOWER THAT CAN BUILD 850 UNITS IN ONE PHASE.
THAT'S ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A MIXED TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.
NOT EVERY BUILDER DOES ALL TYPES OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
IT WOULD BE PRUDENT FOR THE DEVELOPER TO TRY TO BUILD THIS THING ALL IN ONE PHASE.
IT'S JUST TOO MUCH COST OF INFRASTRUCTURE UP FRONT, ESPECIALLY WITH ALL THE OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO, WHICH IS EXTEND THE WATER AND SEWER, BUILD THE BRIDGE ACROSS THE CANAL AND EXTEND THE ROAD.
SO WE WILL BE COMING FROM THE NORTH BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE UTILITIES ARE.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE ROAD WILL BE COMING FROM.
AND PHASE ONE, I DON'T KNOW IF AS FAR AS IF WE HAVEN'T DONE SOIL TESTS ON THE PROPERTY, IF WE FIND COQUINA WAS IT.
YEAH. THEN WE WILL, WE'LL DEAL WITH THAT.
WE HAVEN'T RUN INTO THAT. WE DON'T KNOW THAT.
WE HAVEN'T PROBED THE SITE SO WE DON'T KNOW AS MUCH HISTORY ON IT AS MR. BOUGHTON DOES. IF THERE IS MINOR AMOUNTS, I THINK WE ACTUALLY SHOW OUR LAKE TO BE RIGHT WHERE THEY'VE DONE THEIR DIGGING NOW.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THEIR WETLANDS, IT'S REALLY JUST ISOLATED SMALL POCKETS OF WETLANDS THAT ARE JUST DEPRESSED AREAS THAT HAVE GOTTEN WET OVER THE YEARS BECAUSE THE PROPERTY DOESN'T DRAIN IN THAT AREA.
SO IT'S NOT HIGH QUALITY WETLANDS, IT'S LOW QUALITY PRAIRIE.
THAT WAS A RESULT OF ACTIVITIES THAT WERE DONE ON THE PROPERTY OVER THE YEARS.
SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH GETTING THAT MITIGATED BECAUSE IT IS ISOLATED AND DOES NOT CONNECT TO ANY OFF SITE SYSTEMS. I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ONE I DIDN'T COVER UNLESS THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU WANTED.
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I DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO THAT.ANYTHING ELSE? STAFF FOR STAFF.
SO IT'S POSSIBLE WE WILL DO THE RESEARCH.
WE'LL WE'LL WE'LL DO THE TITLE POLICY TO VERIFY THAT THAT THAT STRIP HAS BEEN DEDICATED YET OR NOT.
AND IF OUR IF OUR AREAS ARE ACCURATE, IF IT'S BEEN DEDICATED, GREAT.
IF IT HAS NOT BEEN, WE WILL DEDICATE IT.
IS THAT A CONDITION THAT WE SHOULD PUT IN? WHATEVER. SO THAT THAT IS UP TO YOU.
IF YOU DO WANT TO PUT THAT CONDITION.
BUT THERE IS A GOOD CHANCE THAT IT HAS BEEN DEDICATED.
AND WE JUST WANTED TO ENSURE THAT THE GROSS ACREAGE IS WHAT WE WERE COUNTING FOR.
IT APPEARS THAT THE RIGHT OF WAY, THE DEDICATED RIGHT OF WAY IS THE DISCREPANCY IN THAT.
SO IF IT HAS BEEN ALREADY DEDICATED, THEN ALL WE WOULD NEED IS AN UPDATED LEGAL THAT JUST SHOWS THAT THAT IS NOT PART OF THE ACTUAL DEVELOPED PROPERTY JUST TO COINCIDE WITH THE ACTUAL PARAMETERS AND ACREAGE THAT THE PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE.
SO IT'S ALREADY LISTED AS ONE OF OUR CONDITIONS TO ADDRESS THAT.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE SATISFIED THAT WAY, BUT IF YOU FEEL TO STRENGTHEN IT, PLEASE DO SO.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. MOIR. MR. ANDERSON. OR IS NOW CLOSED FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS AND THE CASE IS BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION OR A MOTION.
MOTION TO APPROVE PD 14 2022 SUBJECT TO STAFF COMMENTS AND TO TO THE DEDICATION OF THE 40 FEET FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR AN EXTENSION OF GARVEY ROAD.
I CAN. QUESTIONED BY MR. WEINBERG. SECOND BY MS..
MARAJ. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION.
HEY. HEY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THE NEI.
I THINK IT'S A IT'S A GREAT LOOKING PROJECT.
I THINK YOU'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK WITH IT AND OBVIOUSLY TRYING TO WORK WITH THE RESIDENTS.
BUT I JUST THINK THE LOCATION NEXT TO AN INDUSTRIAL TEST FACILITY.
I JUST I JUST THINK IT'S THE WRONG AREA FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT.
ANDERSON. THE NEXT CASE, PLEASE.
[NEW BUSINESS:]
CP 26 2022.SO I'M PRESENTING TONIGHT TO UCP.
THIS CONSISTS OF 124.33 ACRES AND IT IS JUST OFF OF MALABAR ROAD.
THERE ARE TWO PARCELS THAT THAT MAKE UP THE 124 ACRES.
THANK YOU. DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? AND THEN. WILL THE APPLICANT PLEASE COME FORWARD? I'M SORRY. THANK YOU, JAKE WEISS, CIVIL ENGINEER FOR THE PROJECT, BECAUSE THIS ADDRESSES 2651 WEST GALILEE BOULEVARD.
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WE HAVE TWO AGENDA ITEMS BEFORE WE EAT TONIGHT, THIS ONE AND THE FOLLOWING ONE.SO I'LL JUST GIVE KIND OF A GENERAL OVERVIEW FOR BOTH AND I THINK HOPEFULLY ANSWER SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE, BUT YOU WILL HEAR ME SAY THINGS LIKE WALKABLE. SO THIS IS A DIFFERENT PART OF THE CITY WHERE WE DO ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT INTERCONNECTIVITY.
IS THIS FOR THE SLIDE? OKAY. YOU MIGHT GO TO THE ONE WITH A SITE PLAN.
THERE YOU GO. THANKS. SO AS THEY SHOWED YOU.
LOOK AT THAT. SO THIS IS A MAP OF OUR ROAD TO THE NORTH.
THIS IS THE FUTURE EXTENSION OF THE PARKWAY.
SO RIGHT HERE IS THE INTERSECTION OF THE PARKWAY AND MALABAR ROAD OUT WEST.
THIS IS A PROJECT CALLED STELLAR THAT HAS ITS ENTITLEMENTS FOR TOWNHOMES.
THIS RIGHT HERE IS A 40 ACRE PARCEL THAT IS UNDEVELOPED CURRENTLY THAT IS COMMERCIAL.
AND THEN ON THE NORTH SIDE OF MALABAR ROAD IS A SUBDIVISION.
AND THEN THERE'S A CORNER OF COMMERCIAL LOT.
AND THIS ENTRANCE RIGHT HERE THAT WE PROPOSED LINES UP WITH THE ACCESS TO THE PALM BAY REGIONAL PARK OUT THERE, WHICH, IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN THERE, IS AN AWESOME PARK WITH ALL KINDS OF FACILITIES AND I'VE SPENT MORE WEEKENDS AT SOCCER TOURNAMENTS.
THERE'S ALSO A REGIONAL BIKE TRAIL THAT GOES ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF MALABAR PARK.
THE NORTHWEST CORNER HERE IS A PROPOSED GROCERY STORE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE ANNOUNCED THE NAME OF IT, BUT THEY'RE VERY GREEN.
AND THEN JUST WEST OF HERE AT THE END OF MALABAR ROAD IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE, I THINK HIDDEN PARKS CALLED THREE FORKS, MARSH WITH BOAT RAMPS AND JUST BEAUTIFUL FACILITIES, VERY QUIET, TUCKED AWAY, PARK BACK THERE.
TONIGHT, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT AND THE PDP.
SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS A AS THE STAFF REPORT IDENTIFIES, IS THE ZONING AND LAND USE.
SO WE'RE PROPOSING ALONG THE FRONTAGE.
AND THEN A HIGH END RV PARK THAT WOULD ONLY BE ALLOWED FOR LATER MODEL RVS.
A SUBDIVISION ENTRANCE THAT LINES UP WITH THE REGIONAL PARK ENTRANCE FOR SINGLE FAMILY WITH A MIX OF LOT WIDTHS AND SIZES AND AMENITIES. AND THEN ALONG THE FUTURE PARKWAY EXTENSION APARTMENTS, AND YOU'LL SEE THE KIND OF UNIQUE LAYOUT HERE WHERE THEY'RE ACTUALLY SET UP SO THAT THEY FACE WEST BECAUSE THIS SUN SETS AT THIS KIND OF AN ANGLE DURING DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE YEAR.
SO THEY'RE ACTUALLY FACING THE SUNSET.
AND IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN OUT THERE FOR A SUNSET, IT'S ABSOLUTELY SPECTACULAR OUT WEST THERE.
SO WE'RE PROPOSING 24 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL COUNTING THE COMMERCIAL LOTS AND THE RV THAT IS SET UP SO THAT THE RV PARK, THE SINGLE FAMILY AND THE APARTMENTS CAN EITHER WALK OR DRIVE TO THE COMMERCIAL.
WE HAVE ALREADY INTEREST IN A LOCAL VERY POPULAR BREVARD COUNTY RESTAURANT CHAIN.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HEAR WITH ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS THAT WE DO FOR DIFFERENT PROJECTS AND ALSO JUST COMING TO THESE TYPES OF PUBLIC HEARINGS IS WE'RE LOOKING FOR MORE RESTAURANTS, NICER RESTAURANTS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WITH A SINGLE FAMILY, WE'RE PROPOSING ABOUT 84 ACRES OF 124 ACRES WITH 336 LOTS, ABOUT 288 APARTMENT UNITS THERE TO THE FAR WEST FACING THE PARKWAY.
BOTH OF THOSE WILL HAVE THEIR OWN SEPARATE AMENITIES FOR BOTH OF THOSE USES, ABOUT 24 ACRES OF THE COMMERCIAL WITH THE RV PARK HAVING ITS OWN AMENITIES AS WELL.
AND AGAIN, JUST THE WALKABILITY OR INTERCONNECTIVITY FOR THEM.
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COMMERCIAL. WE ALSO HAVE A DRIVEWAY CONNECTION RIGHT HERE SO THAT CARS IN THE SUBDIVISION OR FROM THE RV PARK WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE TO GO ONTO MALABAR ROAD TO ACCESS THE COMMERCIAL.THE OVERALL DENSITY OF THIS IS JUST OVER FIVE UNITS AN ACRE AS IDENTIFIED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
LET'S SEE. WE DID REVIEW SCHOOL CONCURRENCY AND PROVIDE AN APPLICATION.
THERE IS A TOTAL OF SIX PUBLIC SCHOOLS WITHIN A MILE OF THIS SITE AND WE'RE ACTUALLY WORKING WITH A LOCAL CHARTER SCHOOL THAT HAS K THROUGH 12 THAT'S ALSO LOOKING IN THE SAME AREA BECAUSE OF THE GROWTH HERE THAT'S BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL.
WE HAVE TWO FIRE STATIONS WITHIN A MILE AND A POLICE STATION AS WELL OF THIS SITE.
SO JUMPING INTO THE CRITERIA FOR THIS SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM WITH THE COMPONENT AMENDMENT REQUEST, THERE'S EIGHT CRITERIA AND WE'LL GO THROUGH ALL EIGHT ONE BY ONE. THEY'RE ALL ON THE STAFF REPORT.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.
WE WANTED TO WE WANTED TO COMPLEMENT OUR NEIGHBORS.
SO WE ACTUALLY, FOR EXAMPLE, REMOVED TOWNHOMES FROM OUR PROJECT BECAUSE THIS OTHER PROJECT JUST ADJACENT TO US WAS DOING TOWNHOMES AND SOME OF THE COMMERCIAL USES THAT ARE COMING TO THE NORTHWEST.
FOR EXAMPLE, WE CHANGED UP WHAT WE WERE DOING FOR COMMERCIAL USES.
SO AGAIN, WE WEREN'T COMPETING, WE WERE JUST COMPLEMENTING WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
SO YOU WILL SEE THIS MULTIPLE TIMES.
THIS IS JUST THE FIRST STEP IN THE PROCESS.
WE'LL BE BACK WITH A REZONING AND A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
ANNEXATIONS DON'T COME BEFORE THIS BOARD, SO THAT REQUEST GOES DIRECTLY TO COUNCIL.
STAFF WILL WORK THROUGH WITH THEM AS WE GO THROUGH THE SITE PLAN PROCESS AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF THEM IN THERE THAT I'M NOT EVEN SURE ARE REALLY APPLICABLE TO THIS SITE.
SO THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS WE JUST WORK THROUGH WITH THEM.
ON THE TECHNICAL STAFF COMMENTS.
BUT ALL THE CONDITIONS OF THE STAFF REPORT WE DO AGREE WITH.
THANK YOU, MR. WEISS. HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? A MANAGER. MR. RHODES, I WANT TO HONE IN.
FIRST OFF, ON THE TOP QUADRANT THAT YOU WERE HIGHLIGHTING IS YOU SAY TOWNHOUSES.
IS THAT THE PROJECT THAT IS DESIGNED TO BE RENTAL TOWNHOUSES? YEAH. THE LITTLE CABANAS, SO TO SPEAK.
I LIKE IT. OKAY, SO NOW LET'S HONE IN ON THE RV PARK THAT'S DIRECTLY NEXT DOOR.
SO THAT WHOLE LEFT OR RIGHT, INCLUDING THE WHITE PORTION, IS GOING TO BE FOLKS THAT ARE VISITING OUR CITY FOR A TEMPORARY AMOUNT OF TIME, BUT AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME. IT'S INTERESTING AND INTRIGUING TO CONCENTRATE ON THAT AREA, BUT I WON'T SAY EXPRESSLY THAT I'M AGAINST IT, GIVEN IT IS ON THE KIND OF OUTER BANKS OF TOWN. IT'S JUST INTRIGUING TO THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT POPULATION SPENT UP THERE.
BUT YOU HIGHLIGHTED THAT ACROSS THE STREET AND EVEN ACROSS FROM YOUR ACCESS IS GOING TO BE THE ENTRANCE TO FRED POPPY REGIONAL PARK, WHICH THE CITY IS WORKING AND SPENDING PLENTY OF MONEY ON DEVELOPING A CAMPGROUND AT, AS WELL AS SPENDING PLENTY OF MONEY TO GET ACCESS TO THAT CAMPGROUND, DIRECT ACCESS TO THAT CAMPGROUND FROM SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY TO THE PARK.
NOW, I'D ASK YOU TO RESPOND TO REBUT THAT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL PROBABLY GET INTO A CAPITALISM TALK AND UNDERSTAND THAT, HEY, YOU KNOW, COMPETITION BREEDS EXCELLENCE AND MAYBE THAT'LL BRING EVEN MORE, RIGHT? THAT PROBABLY BE YOUR COUNTER. I THINK I CAN ANSWER THAT FOR YOU.
AND IT WAS AGREED THEY'RE NOT COMPETITIVE, THEY'RE ACTUALLY BENEFICIAL TO EACH OTHER.
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SO WE REDESIGNED SPECIFICALLY NOT TO COMPETE.SO ALL THAT SAID, I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO, FOR CONVERSATION'S SAKE, EMBRACE THIS WHOLE MODEL.
WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE BUILDING CASITAS, WE'RE PUTTING HIGH END RVS AND FIFTH WHEELS.
WE'RE HOSTING A TRANSIENT POPULATION, BUT IN A POSITIVE AND PRODUCTIVE WAY.
WHAT CAN WE MAYBE DO IN A FUTURE STATE TO TO GET THAT TRAFFIC ACROSS? YOU KNOW, CAN WE THINK OF SOMETHING EVEN THAT GOES OVER MALABAR ROAD? I MEAN, IN THE LONG RUN, YOU KNOW, MALABAR ROAD IS GOING TO BE FOUR LANE THERE.
WHAT CAN WE DO TO TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF ALL THESE THESE PEDESTRIANS AND ALL THESE FOLKS THAT HAPPEN TO BE VISITING OUR CITY AND STAYING WITH US AND WANT TO ENJOY THAT LUXURY? HOW CAN WE GET THEM CONNECTED TO THE PARK IN A BETTER WAY? WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT AS WELL. GREAT QUESTION.
SO IT CAN BE WIDENED AND FOUR LANE, IT'S ALREADY NEEDED.
THERE'S ALREADY STARTED THE STUDIES AND FUNDING FOR THAT.
THE REASON WE LINED UP OUR INTERSECTION RIGHT HERE WITH FRED, POPPY, WAS BECAUSE WE THINK IN THE FUTURE WILL WARRANT A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AND THAT WILL CREATE THAT ABILITY TO SAFELY CROSS THE ROAD.
THOSE BIG OVERPASSES HAVE TO BE ADA ACCESSIBLE.
AND WE HAVE ONE IN THE ATLANTIC BEACH SIDE, FOR EXAMPLE.
SO WE WE WEREN'T TRYING TO ENTERTAIN THAT.
SO THAT IS ALREADY IN THE WORKS.
I APPRECIATE THAT RESPONSE, SIR.
I AGREE WITH YOU. IT'S A PRICELESS SUNSET.
WHAT ARE THOSE STRUCTURES? THEY CONDOMINIUMS, APARTMENTS.
SO THOSE ARE GOING TO BE MARKET RATE.
OOPS, WRONG BUTTON AGAIN. SO THOSE ARE MARKET RATE APARTMENTS WITH THE ROAD OR VEHICULAR CONNECTION TO THIS EXTENSION OF THE PARKWAY WITH THIS PROJECT WOULD DO AND THEN A PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY BACK TO THE EAST WITH THIS 30 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH IS A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY WHICH WE HAVE SET UP AS AN EMERGENCY ACCESS IN CASE SOMETHING EVER HAPPENED HERE AND ALSO A PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO THE COMMERCIAL.
AND THIS WOULD ACTUALLY BE THE PARCEL FOR THAT RESTAURANT I MENTIONED RIGHT HERE.
AND SO WE HAVE THOSE SET UP SO THAT.
YOU CAN ALMOST SEE THIS LITTLE SPOT RIGHT HERE THAT HAS THAT INTERCONNECTIVITY FOR YOU.
SO THEY WOULD BE MARKET RATE APARTMENTS.
NOWADAYS, IT'S SO EXPENSIVE TO BUILD THESE FACILITIES, THE RENTS ARE GETTING HIGHER AND HIGHER.
THANK YOU, SIR. NO OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ME, MADAM CHAIR.
WELL, YOU DID ANSWER SOME OF MY QUESTIONS ALREADY, BUT VERY INTRIGUING, ESPECIALLY WITH THE RV PARK.
PRETTY. I WAS CONCERNED WITH WITH THE CITY AND HAVING THEIR PARK IN CAMPGROUNDS.
SO THAT'S INTERESTING THAT YOU PUT THAT THERE.
I KIND OF WANTED TO FIRST TALK ABOUT THAT.
YOU SAID THIS, THE THE STAFF HAD SOME TECHNICAL THING THAT COMMENTS THAT DIDN'T APPLY.
I JUST WANTED TO HEAR WHAT THOSE WERE.
SURE. IT WAS JUST A COUPLE OF THEM.
SORRY. A COUPLE STAFF REPORTS HERE.
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UM UNDER ENGINEERING NUMBER TO PROVIDE CLEARANCE FROM FTP TO UTILIZE A SITE WEST OF C SEVEN AS A ROADWAY SITE APPEARS TO BE CONTAMINATED WITH ARSENIC.I DON'T THINK THAT'S EVEN RELATED TO OUR PROJECT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT C SEVEN IS OR ANY.
WE HAVE A CLEAN ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT, SO I THINK IT'S JUST A MISTAKE.
AND THAT WAS IT AS FAR AS COMMENTS THAT WE THINK WERE MISTAKE.
AND THEY'RE FROM ALL DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.
SO IT'S JUST A REVIEW, A PRELIMINARY REVIEW OF OUR PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
AND THEN JUST THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, HOW FAR THIS WILL GO WHEN IT COMES TO THE FOUR IS AT £4.
WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE OH, THREE FORKS THREE.
SORRY. THREE FORKS IS THE NAME OF THE MARSH OUT WEST WHERE THE BOAT RAMPS ARE.
AND IT'S ACTUALLY BEST BASS FISHING IN THE WORLD.
YEAH. OKAY. SO YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY CLOSE TO THAT? WE'RE VERY CLOSE TO IT. YEAH, IT'S LESS THAN A MILE DOWN THE ROAD.
NOT FOR ME. SO RIGHT HERE IS THE MALABAR ROAD AND THE PARKWAY INTERSECTION JUST PAST THAT IS HERITAGE HIGH SCHOOL AND JUST PAST HERITAGE HIGH SCHOOL.
IT BECOMES A DIRT ROAD AND THAT'S WHERE THE PARK STARTS THAT I WAS REFERRING TO.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO WHEN YOU MENTION IT FIRST, I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, ARE YOU HOW CLOSE YOU WERE IN TERMS OF THE BACK OF YOUR THING? I WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT. YEAH.
IS THERE ANY SUPERMARKET? SO REALLY WE COULDN'T GET ANY OTHER COMMITMENTS AT THIS TIME.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
GREAT LOCATION FOR A LONG DOGGERS, BY THE WAY.
ARE WE TALKING TO OR HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MADAM CHAIR, FORGIVE ME.
I JUST HAD ONE MORE THAT I NEEDED TO ASK ABOUT.
IT'S PERTAINING TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY ASPECT.
YOU SAID THAT THE FIRE STATIONS, YOU HAVE TWO FIRE STATIONS LESS THAN A MILE.
YEAH, I HAVE A SLIDE THAT SHOWS THEM.
POPPY, REGIONAL PARK IS THREE AND A HALF MILES.
SO YOU GOT TO DOWN MALABAR ROAD.
THAT'S WHAT THE ONE YOU POINT OUT TO THE RIGHT.
AND THEN THREE IS UP THERE ON JUPITER.
SO MAYBE A MILE AWAY THE CROW FLIES, BUT WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY A MILE, RIGHT.
WELL, YEAH, I GUESS. YEAH, THAT GETS THE DISTANCE IS MORE THAN A MILE.
WE'LL GET THE RIGHT DISTANCE THEN.
THERE'S A HUGE NEED FOR FIRE AND PUBLIC SAFETY IN THE WESTERN BOUNDS OF THE CITY.
MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU. I'LL DOUBLE CHECK THAT.
THANK YOU, MR. RICE. MR. MARAJ HAS A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
YES, THAT JUST BROUGHT UP WHAT HE SAID.
JUST BROUGHT UP A QUESTION FOR ME.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE KNOW WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SCHOOL CONCURRENCY, BUT NOBODY EVER MENTIONS IN TERMS OF OUR POLICE AND WHEN WE KEEP ADDING THESE DEVELOPMENTS.
I'VE NEVER HEARD POLICE COME INTO THE FRAY.
OH. YOU WANNA COME THERE, PLEASE? HI. SO LAW ENFORCEMENT AND PUBLIC SAFETY IS BASED ON POPULATION COUNTS.
SO AS THE POPULATION GOES, THE REQUIREMENT TO HAVE SWORN LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND PUBLIC SAFETY FIRE IS THAT'S WHEN THOSE COUNTS GO UP. SO AS AS THE POPULATION GROWS, THAT'S WHEN YOU HAVE TO ADD SO MANY SWORN LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS OR SO MANY FIREFIGHTERS PER PER POPULATION COUNT.
SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT CAPACITY WE ARE AT RIGHT NOW.
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I I'VE BEEN HERE SIX MONTHS, SO I'M I'M LEARNING A LOT REALLY FAST.I RESPOND TO. YEAH, I WANT TO RESPOND TO THAT.
ALL THESE DEVELOPERS, AS ALEX SAID, YOU KNOW, FIRE AND POLICE DEPEND ON ON.
BASICALLY, GROWTH REQUIRES, YOU KNOW, AN EXPANSION OF THE POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THESE DEVELOPERS PAY AN IMPACT FEE.
SO IT'S A QUESTION OF WHICH CAME FIRST, THE CHICKEN OR THE EGG.
THAT'S WHY THEY PAY IMPACT FEES AND THAT'S WHAT PAYS FOR ADDITIONAL POLICE AND FIRE.
FLOOR'S NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST? SPREAD. SILVERTON 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST.
HOWEVER, THE CITY IS ALREADY RIGHT HERE ON THIS PROPERTY, SO THIS IS ONLY A PLUS.
INSTEAD OF ALL OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, GOING TO THE COUNTY, I THINK IS GREAT.
THIS IS ONE TIME WHEN BILL BATTEN IS GOING TO SAY THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME TO EXPAND.
YOU'RE NOT GOING 50 MILES OUT TRYING TO DO IT.
YOU'RE DOING IT RIGHT WITHIN THE CITY ITSELF.
SO IT WAS A GOOD MOVE ON THEIR PART, EVEN THOUGH I HATE TO SEE THE LOSS OF RURAL RESIDENTIAL LAND AND I'M JUST GOING TO BE FIGHTING THAT FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE, I THINK. BUT THAT'S THE WAY IT IS.
NOW, THIS ONE IS AN INPUT FOR JAKE WISE.
HERE HE IS TALKING ABOUT THE THREE FORKS PRESERVE.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK AGAINST THIS REQUEST? COME TO THE PODIUM.
MY NAME IS SCOTT. VIRGIN PAUL, 41.
ALLISON DRIVE AND I ABUT ALL OF THESE TO THE WEST.
THIS IS NOW. IT'S COMING ON YOU.
AND THEY WERE ABOUT 250 CAPACITY.
THEY'RE GOING TO SEE YOU ON THE SIXTH FOR, I BELIEVE, ABOUT ANOTHER 520 HOMES IN THAT SAME AREA.
THAT'S JUST BEFORE YOU EVEN GET DOWN TO WHERE THEY'RE PRESENTING THIS.
WE'RE ON A SINGLE PASSAGE ROAD HERE, GOING DOWN TO THE HIGH SCHOOL.
TRAFFIC IS AN ABSOLUTE HARDSHIP.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU HAVE THE PLEASURE OF GOING THERE, BUT IF YOU DON'T GET OUT IN THE MORNING, GET OUT AT NIGHT, OR GO OUT WHEN THE KIDS GET OUT OF SCHOOL, I LIVE RIGHT THERE. I CAN TELL YOU, IF I COME DOWN THE NEW PARKWAY, IF I WHEN THE KIDS GET OUT OF SCHOOL, I CAN SIT THERE FOR 10 MINUTES AND I CAN'T GET OUT TO GO TO MY HOUSE.
THAT'S WITH NOTHING THERE YET.
SO ALL OF THESE HOUSES BEING BUILT ARE JUST GOING TO PUT 550.
ARE YOU GOING TO, YOU KNOW, 112 HUNDRED CARS? WE'LL SAY, FORGET ABOUT THIS.
NOW YOU'RE GOING TO ADD TRAILERS OR RVS OR ANYTHING OF THAT TO STIFLE THE TRAFFIC.
I KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO EXPAND IN SOME YEAR.
BUT RIGHT NOW, ESSENTIALLY, YOU GO OUT THROUGH THE PARKWAY, WHICH IS TURNED INTO A HORROR SHOW.
THAT'S ONE LANE. SO IF SOMEBODY GOES 30 MILES AN HOUR, 60 CARS WILL GO 30 MILES AN HOUR AND YOU GET TO THE END WHENEVER YOU CAN'T GET THROUGH, ALL OF THAT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED. IT'S GOING TO BE A PUBLIX ON THE CORNER OF MALABAR AND THAT BACK ROAD THAT'S GOING TO EAT UP.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE GO TO PUBLIC.
SO ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS GO SHOPPING ANY DAY OF THE WEEK, ANY TIME OF THE DAY.
SO WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO PUT ALL THIS OUT HERE? WHERE IS ANYBODY GOING TO GO? I'VE ALREADY COME TO THE POINT WHERE I COME DOWN MY STREET IN EVERY DEVELOPMENT THAT POPS UP, DESERVES A TRAFFIC LIGHT FOR THEMSELVES TO GET OUT.
SO WHEN THEY COME OUT, ONE CAR COMES OUT, THAT LIGHT STOPS, TEN CARS COME UP THERE.
I CAN'T GO ANYWHERE, SO PLEASE DO SOME TRAFFIC STUDIES AS FAR AS BEHIND US.
WHEN I MOVED HERE, THAT WAS CONSERVATION LAND AND IT WAS SCRUB JAYS AND IT WAS FLOOD ZONE.
AND MIRACULOUSLY, EVERYTHING ALL OF A SUDDEN IS PERFECT.
AND NOW THERE'S NOTHING BEHIND US.
THEY'RE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW AS THEY TEAR THAT BEHIND ME.
SO I CAN TELL YOU WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN DOWN THERE.
IT'S GOING NOWHERE. SO, YOU KNOW, IS IT MINOR?
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IS IT STUPID? MAYBE TO SOME PEOPLE.YOU GOT TO LOOK, DON'T JUST THINK IT'S JUST ON THAT PAPER.
YOU GOT TO LOOK, YOU GOT TO GO SEE FOR YOURSELF IF YOU'RE GOING TO PROVE SOMETHING OR DIDN'T.
JUST THAT 5 MINUTES, IT'S RIGHT DOWN THE STREET.
THIS IS SERIOUS. I MEAN, YOU JUST AND WHEN IT BACKS UP TO THE RESERVE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO PLEASE DON'T RUBBER STAMP IT.
TAKE A LOOK FOR EVERYBODY ELSE THAT'S OUT THERE.
I. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS? PROJECT, MAN.
AS I'M IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD AS SCOTT IS, I'M THE VERY FIRST HOUSE AS YOU ENTER.
ELLISON WE HAVE ONE ROAD IN, ONE ROAD OUT.
WE MOVE THERE FOR THAT REASON.
THERE'S WILD ANIMALS EVERY DAY.
THEY'RE GETTING LITTLE LESS BECAUSE OF THE DEVELOPMENT NEXT TO US, WHICH IS CHAPARRAL.
THEY'VE BEEN GOOD. THEY BUILT A FENCE, BUT THEY'RE BUILDING IS JUST CRAZY.
AND I CAME TO SPEAK ABOUT THEIR I'LL SEE THEM NEXT TIME.
BUT THIS DEVELOPMENT IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF OUR DEVELOPMENT.
THERE'S A LITTLE CANAL BETWEEN US AND THE NEW DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S GOING TO BACK RIGHT UP TO OUR HOMES.
THERE'S ALL THE GREEN AND THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS ARE GONE.
I KNOW HOW IMPORTANT BUSINESS IS.
I KNOW HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO MAKE MONEY.
AND THERE'S A TON OF PEOPLE ON THAT OTHER SIDE.
WHEN WE PULL OUT, YOU CAN'T GET OUT.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU WERE HERE IN OH FOUR WHEN THE HURRICANES HIT.
BUT IF YOU WERE AND IF YOU WERE ON MALABAR ROAD, YOU WERE SCARED TO DEATH.
IT TOOK US FOREVER TO GET OUT OF HERE.
AND THE SKY WAS BLACK AND THERE WERE CARS EVERYWHERE.
EVERYTHING IS BEING BUILT TO LANE.
I DON'T KNOW WHY HERITAGE PARKWAY WAS BUILT AS A TWO LANE ROAD.
IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN BUILT FOR LANE BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY DID IT TO LANE.
IT'S NOT THAT MUCH MORE TO MAKE IT FOR LANE WHEN YOU'RE BUILDING.
MY DAUGHTER JUST GRADUATED THIS YEAR FROM HERE TO HIGH SCHOOL.
IT WAS HORRIFIC GETTING THERE IN THE MORNING, GETTING HER OUT.
SHE SHE WANTED TO RIDE A BIKE.
I WOULD NOT LET HER BECAUSE I DO NOT TRUST HER.
NO, NO WAY. SO NOW THE PEOPLE LIVING IN THIS DEVELOPMENT, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO CROSS? BECAUSE THERE'S THIS THEN SHIP REALM WILL BE FULLY BUILT.
YOU REALLY NEED TO TAKE A MOMENT, STEP BACK FROM LOOKING AT THE DOLLAR SIGN AND THINK, WAIT A MINUTE, WHAT AM I DOING TO MY PEOPLE THAT I REPRESENT? YOU NEED TO REPRESENT US THAT ARE CURRENTLY LIVING THERE BECAUSE OUR WAY OF LIFE IS TOTALLY CHANGE NOW.
YOU KNOW, EARLIER YOU WERE SAYING FOLKS NEED RESOURCES.
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THEY DON'T JUST NEED RESOURCES.THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THE PLACES THAT THEY WANT TO GO WITHOUT IT.
TAKING HALF AN HOUR TO GO, THREE MILES.
YOU KNOW, THERE ARE APPOINTMENTS KIDS HAVE TO MAKE.
SO WHY NOT PUT A PAUSE ON ALL THE BUILDING UNTIL MALABAR ROAD IS WIDENED? OK PUT SOME EFFORT INTO GETTING THAT DONE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT DEPARTMENT IS IN CHARGE OF THAT, BUT GET IT DONE.
YOU KNOW, AND WHILE THEY'RE DOING THAT WIDEN HERITAGE PARKWAY, WHILE THEY'RE DOING IT, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO NEED IT IF YOU'RE BRINGING ALL THESE PEOPLE, ALL THESE BUSINESSES, RESTAURANTS, TRAILER PARKS, PEOPLE RENTING, YOU KNOW, CHAPARRAL IS NOW RENTING INSTEAD OF SELLING HOMES.
I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE IN AND OUT, IN AND OUT.
AND AS YOU SAID EARLIER, IT'S NOT ONE PERSON PER HOUSE.
IT'S SIX, SEVEN, FIVE, WHO KNOWS? SO IT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE.
AND THERE AREN'T SIX SCHOOLS IN A MILE.
THEN THERE'S JUPITER ELEMENTARY.
THE INITIAL PLANS FOR THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GOING TO WIPE OUT ALL THE TREES THAT GO UP TO THE CANAL.
IF SO, THE HOUSES THAT LIVE AT THE END OF OUR DEVELOPMENT AND THE END OF CARE PLACE.
WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO BE LOOKING AT? BUILDINGS. I MEAN, WE'VE BOUGHT THERE YEARS AGO FOR THE PURPOSE OF NATURE, FOR SOME GREEN SPACE.
I MEAN, LET'S NOT MAKE EVERYTHING CONCRETE AND BUSINESS.
YOU WOULD JUST IT'S JUST RIDICULOUS.
I APPRECIATE IT. A LOT OF CARD, MA'AM.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE? AND THEN, MR. WISE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO.
THANK YOU. DO YOU MIND PULLING UP THOSE SLIDES AGAIN? SO I HAD SOMETHING OFF WITH THE SCALE.
I APPRECIATE THAT. IT'S 3.8 MILES TO THAT POLICE AND FIRE STATION.
YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. AND SO DO YOU MIND GOING TO THE FIRST ONE? I'M SORRY. BACK THE OTHER WAY.
I FORGOT I HAD THIS. BETWEEN US HERE IN THIS ONE BY BY THE ROADWAY LENGTH.
AND THEN THE NEXT ONE, PLEASE.
THERE YOU GO. SO AT SAME SCALE, MISTAKE.
THESE ARE ALL THE SCHOOLS THAT ARE WITHIN ABOUT A FOUR MILE RADIUS, NOT A ONE MILE RADIUS.
SO THANK YOU FOR CORRECTING ME ON THAT.
WE HAVE AN ENGINEER FOR CHAPARRAL AS WELL.
GOTTEN TO KNOW THE NEIGHBORS VERY WELL.
THEY HAVE MY CELL PHONE, THEY HAVE MY EMAIL, AND THEY HAVE REACHED OUT MULTIPLE TIMES.
WE'VE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH THEM.
WE VOLUNTARILY DID THINGS LIKE THEY MENTIONED, PUT THE FENCE IN FIRST TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR.
THAT PROJECT DIRECTLY BACKS UP TO YOUR BACKYARD.
AND WHAT WE HAVE IS 120 FOOT MELBOURNE TILLMAN CANAL.
AND I'M SORRY, CAN WE GO BACK TO THE SLIDE WITH THE MASTERPLAN? FIRST. QUITE.
SIR. THIS IS SO MILBURN TILLMAN CAN CLEAR TREES IN THEIR CANAL.
HAS TWO DEAD END ROADS THAT COME DOWN TO HERE AND DOWN TO HERE.
SO THERE'S A FEW SINGLE FAMILY, LOTS THAT BACK UP TO THIS CANAL.
AND THERE'S A COMMERCIAL HERE THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER.
SO WE HAVE COMMERCIAL NEXT TO COMMERCIAL.
THE WAY WE DID WAS TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR TO THEM.
AND WE DO HAVE THAT NATURAL BUFFER.
AND THEN GOING BACK TO POLICE AND FIRE.
I MENTIONED THE ADJACENCY 3.8 MILES AWAY.
THEY DO REVIEW OUR SITE PLANS.
WE DO IN OUR LARGER DEVELOPMENTS LIKE EMERALD LAKES.
WORK WITH THEM TO PROVIDE A STATION IF THEY NEED IT.
WE WORK WITH THE UTILITY DEPARTMENT TO PROVIDE WATER TANKS IF THEY NEED IT.
WE MEET WITH THOSE GROUPS AS PART OF OUR SITE PLAN APPROVAL PROCESS.
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SCHOOLS, PARKS, EVERYTHING ELSE THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT.I'M SORRY. DO YOU MIND GOING TO THE OTHER SLIDE? THE ONE WITH THE SPREADSHEET? SO THIS IDENTIFIES SOME OF THE FEES THAT WOULD BE COLLECTED.
AND I CAN'T READ IT FROM HERE.
I WANT TO WALK UP HERE REAL QUICK.
THEY WERE HAPPY FOR US TO DO IT IN THE COUNTY AND WE COULD HAVE STILL UTILIZED CITY UTILITIES.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE DELAYED OURSELVES BY A VERY LONG PERIOD OF TIME.
WORKING WITH THE CITY AND ANNEXING INTO THE CITY.
WE WOULD BE MUCH FURTHER ALONG RIGHT NOW IF WE DEVELOPED IN THE COUNTY.
WE THINK IT SHOULD BE IN THE CITY.
WE THINK THAT'S SMART, GOOD GROWTH.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I COVER EVERYTHING.
ONE THING WE DID LOOK AT IS WALKABILITY.
THE THE FOUR LANING IS ALREADY UNDERWAY.
I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT STATUS.
WE DID REACH OUT TO PUBLIC WORKS AND ASK FOR A STATUS UPDATE ON IT.
WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY FEEDBACK ON THAT YET, BUT WE DO KNOW THERE'S ALREADY A STUDY EITHER COMPLETED OR VERY CLOSE TO BEING COMPLETED AND THE FUNDING IS BEING REVIEWED. THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS.
WE'RE THE ENGINEERS FOR CHAPARRAL AND BRENTWOOD LAKES, BOTH EAST OF MALABAR LAKES WEST.
BOTH OF THOSE ARE INSTALLING OR HAVE INSTALLED TRAFFIC SIGNALS.
AND AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE THINK THIS PROJECT ULTIMATELY WILL WARRANT ONE HEAR.
AND THOSE TRAFFIC SIGNALS CREATE GAPS IN TRAFFIC.
BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THE MALABAR LAKES WEST WEST SUBDIVISION ONLY HAS ONE ACCESS POINT 44 LOTS.
I THINK HE SAID JUST DOESN'T WARRANT THEIR OWN TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
SO THE GAPS CREATED BETWEEN THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS ARE WHILE HELPFUL, NOT A TOTAL SOLUTION FOR THEM.
AND WE TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT.
UM. OUR PROJECT WILL, OF COURSE, INCLUDE A TRAFFIC STUDY.
AND I THINK I HIT ALL THE COMMENTS THAT I HEARD.
AND OF COURSE, THE TREES, ANY TREES THAT WE HAVE THAT WE CAN CONTROL ALONG THE BOUNDARY, WE MADE THESE LOTS A LITTLE BIT DEEPER SO WE COULD HAVE TREE PRESERVATION ALONG THERE.
BUT THE ONES IN THE MELBOURNE TILGHMAN CANAL, RIGHT OF WAY, WE JUST DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER.
BUT WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE THEM STAY AS WELL.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE BOARD MAY HAVE.
WAS NOW CLOSED FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS IN THE CASE IS BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR.
MOTION. EVOLUTION TO IMPROVE CP 26 2022.
MARSH. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? AND BY MR. WEINBERG SECOND MISS MIRAGE.
AS IS UNANIMOUSLY THE NEXT CASE.
MADAM CHAIRMAN, MAY I ASK A QUESTION OF STAFF, PLEASE? I'M A VOLUNTEER WITH THE CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT AND WE WERE TOLD TO STAY OUT OF MALABAR LAKES WEST AS EP AND ANNEXED INTO THE CITY THAT HAS NOT BEEN ANNEXED INTO THE CITY THAT IS UNINCORPORATED BREVARD COUNTY.
OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEY'VE BEEN CONTRACTED.
THE NEXT CASE BEFORE YOU IS PD 26 2022, WHICH IS THE COMPANION OF CP 2622 AND SO THEY ARE LOOKING
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TO GO FROM AN EXISTING USING AN EXISTING ZONING OF A NEW AND SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL BREVARD COUNTY TO OUR AC REGIONAL ACTIVITY CENTER.SO ALL OF THE INFORMATION IS IN YOUR POCKET.
HE DOES NOT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
THANK YOU. JAKE WISE WILL BE SUPER BRIEF.
JUST WANT TO SAY FOR THE RECORD.
THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? AND THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST? AND. THIS IS NOT 100% IN FAVOR OR AGAINST, BUT.
I HAVE THREE QUESTIONS PERTAINING TO IT.
FIRST QUESTION IS WHERE THEY CONSIDERING HAZMAT PUMP OUTS IN THEIR RV? PARKING AREAS, BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG PROBLEMS OF HOW DO YOU TRANSFER? BECAUSE THESE ARE EVERY MOTORHOME THAT COMES IN.
IF THEY'RE USING THEIR OWN FACILITIES, EVERY ONE OF THOSE HAS TO HAVE A PUMP OUT.
IS THAT GOING TO BE INCORPORATED? BECAUSE I COULDN'T FIND A PUMP OUT STATION WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THEIR PRELIMINARY PLANS.
IS THAT GOING TO BE PART OF THE PROCESS? RIGHT. OTHERWISE.
AND THEN THAT HAS TO TIE IN TO EITHER SEPTIC OR A SPECIAL, SPECIAL PROCESS FOR HANDLING IT.
ITEM NUMBER TWO, IS EACH ONE OF THE MOTORHOMES GOING TO HAVE WATER HOOKUP, ELECTRICAL AND ALSO.
SO THAT MEANS THEY MAKE THAT GOING TO MAKE IT A LONG TERM OR SHORT TERM STAYS.
AND IF I CAN HAVE A PLOT FOR $3 A DAY, I'M GOING TO TAKE IT.
I DOUBT THAT'S THE PRICE, THOUGH, RIGHT? THE NEXT QUESTION, THOUGH, RUNS ON LATE MODELS RV ONLY.
THAT'S DISCRIMINATORY BY ACTION.
I ALSO KNOW THAT THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF JUNK, BRAND NEW RVS THAT DON'T MAINTAIN UP FOR ANYTHING.
SHOULDN'T BE NECESSARILY ON THE AGE OF THE RV.
YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME OTHER CRITERIA IN THERE.
WE HAVE SPECULATIONS AND WE HAVE STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT I'VE SEEN ONE PROJECT TO THE SOUTH ALREADY THAT PEOPLE WENT WITH THE ASSUMPTION THAT THAT'S WHERE THINGS WERE GOING TO LINE UP. AND GUESS WHAT? THINGS DID NOT LINE UP WITH EACH OTHER.
SO ST JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY, IT'S NOT BUILT AND WE DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW THE LOCATION.
SO HOW ARE YOU PLANNING A DEVELOPMENT TO MEET SOMETHING THAT'S NOT THERE AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE THERE IS? ACCESS TO THE ST JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY HAS TO CRAWL ACROSS TILLMAN CANAL TO ACCESS TO THE ST JOHNS WATER TO THE ST JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY. SO THOSE ARE TWO UNKNOWN VARIABLES THAT YOU CAN'T PLAN FOR, BUT YET THEY'RE ASKING YOU TO APPROVE IT. HOW DO YOU APPROVE SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T KNOW? WHERE IT'S AT OR WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE OR IF IT'S EVEN EVER GOING TO REALLY BE BUILT.
BUT I DIDN'T HEAR THAT BEING SAID.
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SO THE NEXT THING THAT COMES OUT OF MY MOUTH, IF THEY WANT TO KEEP THIS DEVELOPMENT THE WAY THEY'RE DOING IT AND THEY'RE MAKING YOU CAN'T CONNECT TO THE ST JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY BECAUSE IT'S NOT THERE COME UP WITH AN ALTERNATIVE PLAN THAT HAS ALL THE CONNECTIONS COMING THROUGH THEIR OWN PROPERTY, AND THEN YOU CAN DESIGN ACCORDINGLY TO THAT. BUT I PERSONALLY WOULD NOT APPROVE SOMETHING SAYING, YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA, I'M GOING TO APPROVE IT, AND YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE.THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO COMMENT ON THIS REQUEST? AGAIN. I'M BRENDA STREAKY FROM LAKES WEST.
I JUST NEEDED TO COMMENT THAT THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE TRAFFIC THAT WOULD INCREASE ON GARVEY ROAD EARLIER THIS EVENING. THE TRAFFIC YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE WILL BE QUADRUPLE WHAT WILL BE ON GARVEY.
THERE WERE TWO DISSENTERS FOR THE GARVEY ROAD DEVELOPMENT, NONE FOR THIS ONE.
AND I FIND THAT REALLY AMAZING.
AS SOMEONE WHO HAS LIVED HERE SINCE OH FOUR, I JUST FIND IT SO AMAZING.
YOU HAVE TRAFFIC FROM THE SCHOOL.
YOU HAVE TRAFFIC FROM THE PARK.
YOU HAVE TRAFFIC FROM ALL THESE DEVELOPMENTS.
YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE GARVEY ROAD BACK UP.
I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO BE CRAZY.
SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE TO MALABAR ROAD PRIOR TO YOU GIVING APPROVAL TO THESE DEVELOPMENTS.
I CAN'T. YOU NEED, LIKE SCOTT SAID, YOU NEED TO COME OUT THERE AND SIT OUT THERE IN THE AFTERNOON.
IT TOOK ME OVER HALF AN HOUR TO GET HERE TONIGHT.
IT WAS BUMPER TO BUMPER THE ENTIRE WAY, AND SCHOOL'S DONE.
IT STILL TOOK ME HALF AN HOUR WITH PEOPLE WORKING.
I MEAN, YOU GUYS REALLY NEED TO THINK ABOUT THIS.
THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE LIVING OUT THERE.
YOUR DECISION IS GOING TO AFFECT SO MANY PEOPLE.
IT'S UP TO YOU TO DO SOMETHING.
THEN, MR. WISE, WOULD YOU WANT TO RESPOND? ALL RIGHT. I WROTE DOWN MR. BANNON'S COMMENTS.
THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO US.
SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE MADE SURE OF UP FRONT WATER, ELECTRIC, CABLE, ALL WILL BE TO EACH INDIVIDUAL SITE AS WELL. I THINK THE $3 A DAY PROBABLY ISN'T QUITE THE RATE, SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS GOING TO BE YET.
THE LATE MODEL IS AN INDUSTRY STANDARD FOR RV PARKS.
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A SUCCESSFUL PARK WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE ABLE TO AFFORD IT BUT ARE SAFE BACKGROUND CHECKS, THINGS LIKE THAT, JUST TO BE SAFE.
SO THAT IS AN INDUSTRY STANDARD.
IT DOESN'T PREVENT ALL ISSUES FROM COMING UP, BUT IT'S HELPFUL.
DO YOU MIND PULLING UP OUR SITE? PLAY IT AGAIN, PLEASE.
SO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING, AS I SAID, FOR OVER A YEAR WITH THE CITY.
THE CITY IS CURRENTLY WORKING ON ACQUIRING THIS RIGHT OF WAY HERE WITH A LAND SWAP, WITH THIS PROPERTY OWNER AND SOME ADDITIONAL CITY OWNED LAND RIGHT HERE.
SO THAT WOULD BECOME A FOUR WAY INTERSECTION.
AND WHAT THAT DOES IS TAKE ALL THESE TRIPS POTENTIALLY OFF OF MALABAR ROAD AND GOES UP THE PARKWAY.
THE PARKWAY ITSELF IS DESIGNED TO BE FOUR LANE.
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IT WASN'T WARRANTED WHEN IT WAS BUILT.IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S HEADING IN THAT DIRECTION OR IS THERE NOW TO BE FOUR LANE IN THE FUTURE? BUT IT'S REALLY DESIGNED TO BE FOUR LANE.
MALABAR ROAD WAS NOT SO PUBLIC WORKS.
WE WILL ACTUALLY BE GETTING COUNTY PERMITS TO TIE INTO MALABAR ROAD WITH UTILITY CONNECTIONS AND ALL OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, BECAUSE THAT SECTION IS COUNTY JURISDICTION JUST EAST OF HERE, AVERY SPRINGS, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU MIGHT BE FAMILIAR WITH THAT CITY, A PORTION OF THE ROAD.
SO IT JUST DEPENDS WHERE YOU ARE ALONG THE MALABAR ROAD.
SO YOU HAVE MULTIPLE DIFFERENT ENTITIES THERE.
IT'S SO FUNNY. HE SAID BACKUP PLAN.
SO WE DO HAVE A BACKUP PLAN BECAUSE THIS RIGHT OF WAY IS NOT EXISTING YET TODAY.
IF FOR ANY REASON IT DOESN'T WORK OUT, WE HAVE EXPANSION OF THE SINGLE FAMILY ALL THROUGH HERE WITH A. OH, EMERGENCY ACCESS HERE JUST IN CASE THE PARKWAY HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE.
THE PREFERENCE OF THE CITY WAS TO HAVE MORE DIVERSE HOUSING.
THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SEEING THE PLAN THE WAY YOU ARE.
AND YES, WE WILL HAVE TO CROSS THE MELBOURNE CANAL.
WE'RE VERY WELL AWARE OF THAT.
AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD ALLOW US TO DO WITH PROPER ENGINEERING AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
JUST LIKE THE EARLIER APPLICATION, MR. MOYA TALKED ABOUT CROSSING THE CANAL AS WELL.
SO THAT BEING SAID, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THE BOARD MAY HAVE.
I HEAR YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU'RE GOING TO EXTEND THE HERITAGE PARKWAY TO THE END OF YOUR PROPERTY.
IT WOULD BE. THIS IS STELLA'S PROJECT, RIGHT HERE IN WHITE WITH THE CASITAS.
IT WOULD BE ALONG THEIR FRONTAGE TO OUR NORTHWEST CORNER FOR US TO HAVE SAFE ACCESS THERE.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED WITH THE UTILITY DEPARTMENT.
SO IT WOULD INCLUDE EXTENSION OF UTILITIES AS WELL.
JUST REMIND ME HOW MANY UNITS ARE GOING TO BE HERE AGAIN.
ONCE AGAIN, PLEASE. IT WAS 376 SINGLE FAMILY, UP TO 288 APARTMENT UNITS.
SO 522, I THINK WAS A TOTAL NUMBER.
IT'S JUST OVER FIVE, ABOUT 5.3 UNITS PER ACRE.
THANK YOU, MR. RICE. THANK YOU.
WAR IS NOW CLOSED AND BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD.
DISCUSSION, QUESTIONS AND EMOTION.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT CITY REALLY WANTS.
THAT'S WHAT THIS PROVIDES WITHIN THIS COMMUNITY TO THE COMMERCIAL.
THE ALMOST SIX AND A HALF ACRES OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GOOD FOR THE CITY.
SECOND QUESTION BY MR. WEINBERG. SECOND BY MR. BURMA. ALL IN FAVOR.
I OPPOSED MOTION HERE AS UNANIMOUSLY.
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ALL RIGHT. FOR OUR NEXT CASE, WE HAVE ZEE DASH 22, DASH 2022.THIS IS LOCATED NORTH OF MALABAR ROAD, NORTHWEST AND IN THE VICINITY EAST NORTHWEST.
IT'S APPROXIMATELY 4.21 ACRES IN SIZE COMPRISED OF TWO PARCELS.
THE CURRENT ZONING DISTRICT IS RESTRICTED COMMERCIAL.
STAFF IS IN SUPPORT OF THIS OVERALL CHANGE FOR A FEW REASONS.
THIS DOES ABUT MALABAR ROAD AND MALABAR ROAD IS CONSIDERED AN ARTERIAL ROAD WHICH IS THE HIGHEST LEVEL CAPACITY FOR THE AREA, WHICH IS WHY WE DO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF A BIT MORE OF AN INTENSIVE ZONING DISTRICT FOR THIS SPECIFIC PARCEL IN QUESTION.
AND THE REASON WHY WE SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED THEM TO HAVE TWO PARCELS IN COMBINATION FOR THIS REQUEST WHEN THEY DID COME THROUGH, WAS TO HAVE MORE OF A HALF A BLOCK TRANSITION SO THAT WE CAN SEE A TRANSITIONAL PHASING BETWEEN THE TYPES OF COMMERCIAL BEFORE YOU SO THAT IT ISN'T JUST A SINGLE PARCEL, IT ISN'T SOMETHING THAT WOULD CREATE SOME SORT OF SPOT ZONING.
WE WANTED TO HAVE A TRANSITIONAL PHASING OF DEVELOPMENT AND ALSO ALLOW FOR A POTENTIAL INCREASE IN CAPACITY AND INTENSITY FOR THIS GENERAL AREA, SPECIFICALLY WITH FOR FORTHRIGHT TOWARDS THE FUTURE OF SEEING MORE INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL POTENTIALLY ON THIS ROAD AS IT DOES CREATE MORE OF A CATCHMENT ZONE FOR THE RESIDENTS INSIDE OF THE CITY.
SO RECOMMENDATION IS TO HAVE A REQUEST OF APPROVAL FOR Z 22 TO 2022 BY THE PLANNING BOARD AND STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL.
THANK YOU TO THE BOARD. I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
BRIEFLY, MR. ANDERSON. IS THIS LAW ONE OF THOSE THAT NEEDS THAT BASICALLY PASSES OVER, HAS ITS OWN CULVERT TO ACCESS IT TO GET OVER THE CANAL? BECAUSE THE STREET THERE, IT'S I BELIEVE IT'S PRONOUNCED COPY A DOOR.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE RUNNING ALONG YOUR PARALLEL TO MALABAR ROAD ALONG THAT.
AND THEN THE CANAL KEEPS GOING AND SO DOES MALABAR.
BUT THERE'S THERE'S THOSE LOTS ARE THESE INDIVIDUAL CULVERTS TO GET OVER THAT OR IS IT A PORTION WHERE IT'S ACCESSIBLE? IT IS ACCESSIBLE, I BELIEVE INDIVIDUAL COVERS.
YEAH. IN THE VILLAGE AND THOSE ARE THOSE ARE OWNED BY THE PROPERTY OWNERS THEMSELVES.
RIGHT. IT'S A SIMILAR TO IT LIKE A DRIVEWAY PERMIT GETTING OVER OUR NORMAL DITCHES.
I'LL ALLOW THEM TO ANSWER THAT PORT.
I APPRECIATE THAT. WE ACTUALLY SPENT PROBABLY $100,000.
WELL, WE'LL GET WE'LL HEAR WE'LL HEAR THAT WHEN THE APPLICANT COMES.
THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, MADAM CHAIR, THAT WAS MY INQUIRY FOR THE STAFF, SO THANK YOU FOR STAFF.
SEEING NONE WITH THE APPLICANT.
PLEASE COME FORWARD. I'M TIMOTHY DAVIS WITH 695 MALABAR ROAD.
WILLARD STREET AND COCOA BOTH FILL OUT A COMMENT CARD.
YOU CAN DO THAT AND LEAVE IT LATER.
BASICALLY, BACK IN 2001, WE CHANGED JUST PROPERTY FROM RS1 TO RC SO THAT WE COULD PUT OUR BUSINESS AND HAVE THE MALABAR ROAD AND AND FRONTAGE AND ACCESS AND ALL.
AS YEARS HAVE HAVE GONE ON, I'M GETTING OLD.
I DON'T NEED THE PROPERTY ANYMORE.
AND AND WE'VE HAD WE'VE HAD A GREAT OPPORTUNITY WITH MR. STEVE LUMB, A SLUG OF BUG THAT'S COME FORWARD AND MIKE SELIG TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY.
BUT THERE WAS SOME THERE'S SOME PROHIBITION IN THE RC AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET CORRECTED.
JUST AS A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY.
AND WE ALSO HAVE MR. STEVE LAMB WITH A SLUG OF BUG PEST CONTROL HERE TO ANSWER ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS WITH REGARD TO PEST CONTROL AND WHAT HE'S GOING TO ACTUALLY DO WITH THE SITE.
BUT A LITTLE BACKGROUND OF MR. LAMB ASKED ME TO FIND HIM A BRANCH OFFICE FOR SLUGGER BUG.
THEY'RE CURRENTLY LOCATED ON US ONE IN NORTH MELBOURNE.
THEY HAVE FOR YEARS TRIED TO HANDLE THE ENTIRE COUNTY FROM THAT ONE REASONABLY CENTRAL LOCATION.
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WHAT'S HAPPENED IS THAT THEY'VE BEEN IN HARMONY.THEY'RE RIGHT ON THE US ONE, BUT THEY'RE ONLY TWO BLOCKS FROM THE RIVER AND THEY'RE ONLY.
AND A LOT OF THE RESIDENTIAL SURROUNDS THEM TOO.
AND THEY'VE HAD THEY'VE HAD NO ISSUES AT ALL.
IN LOOKING FOR A PLACE THEY WANTED.
AT LEAST BASICALLY DEVELOPED WHERE THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO IN AND BUILD.
BECAUSE YOU ALL KNOW, WITH WITH ALL THE BUILDING GOING ON, IT JUST TAKES FOREVER TO BUILD ANYTHING.
SO WE FOUND THIS LOCATION AND THOUGHT WE DID REALLY WELL UNTIL WE TALKED TO STAFF.
SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITS PEST CONTROL FOR SOME REASON.
SO WE LOOKED AND WE SAID, WELL, WE'LL HAVE TO ASK FOR GENERAL COMMERCIAL.
WELL, WE WENT IN TO THE STAFF AND THE STAFF SAID THERE'S ALMOST NO GENERAL COMMERCIAL WEST OF I-95.
MOST ALL OF THE COMMERCIAL IS ON COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL OR SOMETHING RELATED.
SO WE IN TALKING WITH THEM, THEY RECOMMENDED THAT WE ASK FOR COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL BECAUSE IT WAS DO LESS WITH IT AND IN ADDITION ASK FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO.
SO THE FIRST IS CHANGING THE ZONING.
THE NEXT IS MAKING A SMALL CHANGE TO YOUR CODE TO ALLOW.
PEST CONTROL IN THE COMMERCIAL AND THE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL ZONE.
AND THE THIRD IS THEN ASKING FOR THE FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
SO I THINK I'VE SAID ANYTHING.
MR. LUM, WOULD YOU COME UP IN.
SO WE CAN ALL BE READ IT AND ALL BE ABLE TO.
SO. BASICALLY, MIKE HAS IT HAS IT CORRECT? WE HAD WE HAD NOT KNOWN THAT THE RC PROHIBITED AND I CAN ONLY AND I JUST WANTED TO BASICALLY FORM AN OPINION AND PRESENT IT WITH YOU WITH REGARD TO POSSIBLY WHY AND MAKE A.
MAKE A PLEA AS TO WHY I THINK WE WOULD QUALIFY FOR COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL.
SO BEING THAT I'M IN PEST CONTROL AND I UNDERSTAND IT QUITE WELL, I ALSO KNOW WHAT ITS HISTORY HAS BEEN AND I KNOW WHAT A WHAT A SITE FOR PEST CONTROL HAS BEEN. 20, 30 YEARS AGO AND 20, 30 YEARS AGO, THEY WERE RELEGATED TO INDUSTRY INDUSTRIAL AREAS BECAUSE, QUITE FRANKLY, THEY WERE NOT THEY WERE NOT PRETTY AND THEY WERE NOT REGULATED VERY WELL.
BUT THAT'S NOT THE PEST CONTROL OF TODAY.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THE THE BOARD WOULD WANT TO HEAR BASICALLY OUR OUR COMMUNITY PROFILE, BUT WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD COMMUNITY PROFILE. AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE I'VE GOT SOME MATERIAL.
IT WAS MEANT FOR A POWERPOINT.
DIDN'T KNOW IF I COULD DO A POWERPOINT AND I CAN GO OVER THAT IF THAT IS OF INTEREST TO YOU WITH REGARD TO HOW WE HAVE EXISTED AND CO-EXISTED WITH THE COMMUNITY AND PARTNER WITH COMMUNITY OVER THE YEARS.
SEE. WERE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD FOR.
I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS HERE.
IS THERE AN EXISTING BUILDING ON THE SITE? YES. WHAT IS THE CURRENT BUILDING THAT'S ON THERE? HOW BIG IS IT? IT'S OUR OFFICE.
HOW LARGE IS IT? IT'S ABOUT 1200 SQUARE FOOT.
IS THAT THE THE STRUCTURE YOU INTEND TO USE? SO. SO DEFINITELY WE'RE LOOKING FOR A STRUCTURE THAT WE CAN USE AS A SATELLITE.
FOR THE MOMENT, WE HAVE OUTGROWN OUR OUR AREA.
WE'VE OUTGROWN PARKING SPACES.
AND PRIMARILY, WE NEED A PLACE TO TAKE THE PRESSURE OFF OF OUR OUR SITE IN MELBOURNE.
AND SO WE WOULD, WE WOULD YES WE'D USE THAT SAME BUILDING IN THE FUTURE IF WE WERE TO IN THE FUTURE.
I HAVE DOWN ON LISTED THAT WE'D BE LOOKING FOR MAYBE A 23,000 SQUARE FOOT GARAGE PARKING AND WORKSHOP AND I COULD SHOW YOU WHAT OUR CURRENT WHAT OUR CURRENT PROPERTY LOOKS LIKE.
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WE WOULD BE RUNNING APPROXIMATELY SIX OR SEVEN ROUTES OUT OF THERE.WE MIGHT USE THE OFFICE SPACE FOR FOR ADMINISTRATION.
I DON'T HAVE IT COMPLETELY FIGURED OUT, EXCEPT I DO KNOW THAT OUR PRIMARY NEED IS FOR PARKING.
WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF WE HAVE SOME TRAILERS.
A GIANT RADIO FLIER THAT WE USE FOR PARADES.
ONE IS SO THAT THEY ARE NOT A SIGHT ON THE OUTSIDE, AND ALSO SO THAT THE PROTECTED AND THAT WOULD BE WITH THE VEHICLES THAT WERE TRYING TO MIGHT HAVE TWO OR THREE OF THE ISUZU ISUZU TRUCKS, WHICH ARE A LITTLE BIT LARGER.
AND WE WOULD PREFER TO HAVE THEM INSIDE AND PROTECTED AND PREFER THEM HAVE THEM OUT OF SIGHT.
THE CURRENT PROPERTY IS IS FENCED IN AND WE WOULD USE THE PROPERTY AS IS ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THAT WE WOULD DO FROM THE STANDPOINT OF OPERATIONS WHICH IS VERY MINIMAL ON SITE IS GOING TO BE BEHIND THOSE LINES.
THERE'S JUST NOTHING THAT HAPPENS REALLY OUTSIDE THAT THAT'S NOISY.
PEOPLE COME IN. PEOPLE COME OUT IN THE DAY AND THEY COME BACK IN THE AFTERNOON.
SO THAT'S TWO VEHICLES PER PERSON.
IF THEY CAN'T TAKE THE VEHICLES HOME.
AND SO THAT'S PUTTING A STRAIN ON OUR CURRENT PROPERTY.
HORNBY IS GROWING. WE LIKE TO GROW WITH HIM.
IF WE WERE TO EXPAND OUR CURRENT IS SIMPLY TO TAKE SOME PRESSURE OFF AND HAVE A SATELLITE OF APPROXIMATELY THREE, ABOUT 6 TO 8 ROUTES SOMEWHERE IN THAT REGION AS A MAXIMUM AT THIS POINT.
SO WILL YOU BE STORING ANY HAZARDOUS CHEMICALS ON THE SITE? SO EVERY EVERY CHEMICAL IS HAZARDOUS.
THAT'S A THAT'S A THAT'S HOW WE WOULD TAKE IT.
SO WHAT I WILL TELL YOU ABOUT OUR PRODUCTS IS THAT THERE ARE THREE LEVELS OF THEM.
WARNING WOULD BE A RESTRICTED USE.
WE DON'T CARRY ANY RESTRICTED USE PRODUCTS EITHER.
WE STRICTLY WILL MOVE TO A CAUTION PRODUCT.
SO THAT'S THE LOWEST LABEL RATE THAT YOU CAN THAT YOU CAN USE WITH REGARD TO TOXICITY.
WE TAKE OUR OUR COMMUNITY PROFILE.
WE TAKE USING OUR PRODUCTS VERY, VERY SERIOUSLY.
WE ARE GOVERNED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE AND CONSUMER SERVICES.
WE HAVE A VERY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM.
AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE, I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE WE HAVE A SCAR OR ANY KIND OF A VIOLATION.
TO MY KNOWLEDGE OF FROM THE NEARLY 40 YEARS, THIS WILL BE OUR 40TH YEAR IN BUSINESS.
AND WILL YOU NEED ANY SPECIFIC PERMITS FROM DEP TO STORE CHEMICALS ON A SITE? NO, THERE'S NO, NO, NO, WE DON'T WE DON'T HAVE THIS KIND OF HAZARDOUS PRODUCTS WITH US.
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS DO HAVE QUESTION.
SO I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY AND MY QUESTION WAS FOR THE HAZARDOUS MATERIAL, BUT I WANTED TO ASK STAFF JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND WHY A A COMPANY LIKE THIS WOULDN'T QUALIFY UNDER RC AND WHY DO WE REALLY NEED TO CHANGE THIS? PROHIBITION SPECIFICALLY.
SPECIFICALLY SAYING SO FOR THIS SPECIFIC TYPE OF USE, IT'S ACTUALLY ACCOMPANIED UNDER A BROADER USE CALLED BUILDING SERVICES. AND THE BUILDING SERVICES MONIKER IS WHAT IS PROHIBITED OUTRIGHT INSIDE OF THE RESTRICTED COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
BUILDING SERVICES IS ONLY OUTRIGHT ALLOWED INSIDE OF THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
SO WE DO NEED TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.
BUT IN THE SUBSEQUENT PHASE THEY'LL BE ASKING FOR A REQUEST OR THE CITY WILL BE ASKING FOR A REQUEST TO AMEND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO INCLUDE PEST CONTROL, SPECIFICALLY NOT ALL BUILDING SERVICES BUT PEST CONTROL INTO THIS AREA.
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ACTUAL CHANGES IN THE PROPERTY OR JUST FILLING THE SPACE ITSELF.JUST KEEP IN MIND, THIS IS THE FIRST CASE.
ALL THE COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS WILL BE ADDED TO THE NEXT CASES THAT YOU'VE ALREADY COVERED.
IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM.
AND SIR, I JUST WANT TO ASK STAFF WHAT ARE THE USES FOR THIS RC ZONING JUST TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, AND IT MAY BE FOR THE APPLICANT WHAT IS THE CURRENT BUSINESS? WHAT YOU SAY YOUR OFFICE OK UNDERSTOOD, UNDERSTOOD.
AND THERE WERE SPECIFIC TATTOO PARLORS, BARS, AND ALL THOSE WERE PROHIBITED.
BUT IT WAS SET UP FOR PROFESSIONAL OFFICES, ENGINEERING CONSTRUCTION OFFICES.
GOTCHA. SO THE RESTRICTED COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED TO BE A DOWNGRADE AND BUFFER IN BETWEEN MORE RURAL SIZED USES.
AS WE INCREASE IN OUR INTENSITY AND OUR DENSITY TYPICALLY AND MORE OF LIKE AN URBAN CORE CENTER, WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE IS THE MOST DENSE AND INTENSIFIED CENTER, FOLLOWED BY A SPIRALING OUT OF LESS INTENSIFIED AND LESS DENSE USES.
THIS WOULD CREATE MORE OF A CENTRALIZED AREA FOR THAT TYPE OF INTENSITY TO MANIFEST IN A SIMILAR MANNER WHERE THIS DEVIATION GOING FROM THE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL DOWN TO RESTRICTED COMMERCIAL ACROSS A RIGHT AWAY ISN'T PROVIDING THE SAME TYPICAL BUFFERING THAT YOU WOULD SEE IN THE URBAN CENTER.
BUT THE SPECIFICALLY WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR IS JUST USES OF RESTRICTED COMMERCIAL.
SORRY, I APOLOGIZE. SO FOR USES LIKE FOR INSTANCE, IT WOULD BE PROFESSIONAL OFFICES, GENERAL OFFICES, PERSONAL SERVICES, WHICH DOES INCLUDE DRY CLEANING AND SIMILAR USES SUCH AS BEAUTY AND BARBER.
BECAUSE WHAT IT DOES SPECIFY A LITTLE BIT LATER ON AND THIS IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER, IS THAT FOR THE NON INFLAMMABLE SOLVENTS, THOSE ARE SOMETHING THAT THE FIRE CHIEF DOES PRESUMABLY REVIEW WHEN IT COMES TO DRY CLEANING.
BUT THAT IS A SEPARATE ISSUE FROM THIS.
IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT IS CONSIDERED IN THE RESTRICTED COMMERCIAL AREA.
OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
SO I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
OKAY. IF I'M IF I MIGHT ADD REAL QUICK, BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT.
LIKE ANY GOOD BUSINESS FAN AND MR. LUMPKIN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
HE WANT TO KNOW WHERE YOUR COMPETITION IS.
AND COME TO FIND OUT THAT MOST OF THEM ARE VERY SMALL MOM AND POP OPERATIONS, BUT MOST OF THEM ARE WORKING OUT OF THEIR HOUSE AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF THE SAME CHEMICALS EITHER IN THEIR GARAGE OR IN A MINI WAREHOUSE SOMEPLACE, AND THEY USE THEIR HOME FOR THEIR OFFICE.
SO THAT'S WE'RE JUST TRYING TO DO THIS THE RIGHT WAY.
OKAY. THANK YOU. THE APPLICANT WANTS TO HAVE A SEAT.
WE'LL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST? SILVERTON 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST.
I HAD ONE QUESTION ON THIS ONE.
I NOTICED. I THINK STAFF ANSWERED IT FOR ME IN THEIR DESCRIPTION, BUT I JUST WANT CLARIFICATION.
IT WAS A ZONING CHANGE FOR TWO PARCELS PARCEL NUMBER 750 AND PARCEL NUMBER 757.
YET THE COMPANION ITEM THAT WE'RE GETTING READY TO DISCUSS, IT'S ONLY AFFECTING ONE OF THE PARCELS.
SO MY QUESTION IS, SO WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE OTHER PARCEL THAT JUST GOT REZONED? IF THEY COULD LET ME KNOW THAT, BUT I'M ACTUALLY IN FAVOR OF THEM DOING THIS.
THAT'S WHY I WISH EVERYBODY WOULD.
INSTEAD OF DOING SOMETHING BEHIND THE STOCKADE FENCE IN YOUR BACKYARD LIKE SOME PEOPLE ARE.
THANK YOU. IF ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WANT TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR AGAINST THIS REQUEST.
ALL RIGHT. SO THERE'S REALLY NOTHING FOR YOU ALL TO COMMENT ON FROM THE AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION.
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SO WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD.THE. ANDERSON SO, UM, YES, THAT IS CORRECT.
THIS IS FOR TWO PARCELS CURRENTLY FOR THE REZONING PORTION.
IN A SUBSEQUENT MATTER, WE WILL BE LOOKING AT A SINGULAR PARCEL.
THERE ARE NO CURRENT PLANS AS FAR AS WE ARE AWARE OF FOR THE OTHER PARCEL.
MR. ANDERSON. THE FLOOR IS NOW CLOSED FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS IN THE CASE IS BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD.
ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR MOTION? WELL, I WOULD I DEFINITELY AM IN SUPPORT OF THIS.
WE WELCOME SLUG A BUG TO THE CITY OF PALM BAY FINALLY.
RIGHT. AND SO IN THAT REGARD UNDERSTANDING WHAT ZONING THIS R.C.
ZONING VERSUS COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL.
SO I AM DEFINITELY IN FAVOR SO IN THAT I MOTION TO APPROVE CASE Z 20 TO 2020 22/2.
YOUR MOTION BY MR. FARAGE. ALL IN FAVOR.
IT CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY THE NEXT CASE.
YES, RIGHT BEFORE I START THIS CASE, I DID WANT TO MAKE SURE THE BOARD IS AWARE OF TTE 2025, 2022.
THE CITY IS GOING TO REQUEST A CONTINUANCE TO THE NEXT BOARD MEETING BECAUSE THERE IS A SMALL CHANGE IN THE ADVERTISEMENT VERSUS WHAT WE ACTUALLY WANTED TO CHANGE FOR THAT SECTION OF THE CODE.
SO WE'LL BE FOLLOWING UP WITH YOU ON THAT ONE.
ONCE WE DO RE ADVERTISE FOR IT PROPERLY.
SO FOR THIS CASE BEFORE YOU, IT IS DASH 23, 2022.
THIS IS TO THIS IS AN APPLICATION BY THE CITY OF PALM BAY, FLORIDA, SPECIFICALLY FOR THE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICTS TO ADD PEST CONTROL SERVICES IN THE CC COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT AS A CONDITIONAL USE.
STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU. DOES HE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YOU GET THERE, MADAM CHAIR? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MR. ANDERSON, AS FAR AS THE CONDITIONAL USE GOES.
ONCE WE MAKE THIS TEXTUAL AMENDMENT, THAT WILL THEREFORE MAKE IT SO.
LET ME JUST STATE THIS AND TELL ME IF I'M CORRECT OR NOT.
THE BOARD AND REALLY COUNCIL HAS HAS THE RIGHT TO SAY NOT FOR THIS PARTICULAR AREA.
ABSOLUTELY. YOU'RE DEFINITELY CORRECT ON THAT.
SO NOT ONLY IS IT SPECIFICALLY SOMETHING THAT COMES BEFORE YOU EVERY TIME, IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD HAVE DIFFERENT CONDITIONS ON, DEPENDING ON THE NATURE OF THE ACTUAL APPLICATION. AND YOU SAID THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION, SIR.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ONE FOR THE STAFF YOU JUST MENTIONED.
IF WE WANTED TO PUT ANY CONDITIONS, IS THERE ARE ANY CONDITIONS THAT YOU TYPICALLY WOULD RECOMMEND WHEN IT COMES TO HAVING A PEST CONTROL? SO IN TERMS OF PEST CONTROL, THE ONLY TYPE OF CONDITION THAT COULD BE SOUGHT AFTER IT THAT WE WOULD DIRECTLY CONSIDER IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD MAKE MORE CONTROL OVER MAYBE NON INFLAMMABLE SOLVENTS, FOR INSTANCE.
BUT THAT DEPENDS ON WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD IMPEDE THE NATURE OF THE APPLICANT.
WE HAVE NOT DISCUSSED THOSE THINGS WITH THEM.
THAT WAS SOMETHING MORE FROM THE DRY CLEANING SITUATION, AND THAT'S JUST WHERE IT ALLOWS FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE PURVIEW FROM ANOTHER DEPARTMENT THAT MIGHT OVERSEE THAT TYPE OF NATURE. BUT AT THIS TIME, STAFF DID NOT RECOMMEND AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION THAT WOULD GO ON TOP OF THE PEST CONTROL SERVICES FOR THIS LOCATION.
WELL, THE APPLICANT. PLEASE COME.
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HERE IT IS.IS THAT? BEFORE FOR NUMBER FIVE.
SO DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR ME? I GUESS. YEAH, I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE WOULD THAT CONDITION WOULD.
SO I MISSPOKE BEFORE WE'RE ON THE TEXT AMENDMENT, NOT THE CONDITIONAL USE.
SO THIS THIS IS TO CREATE IT TO BE ABLE TO BE A CONDITIONAL USE.
WE'LL BE HEARING THE ACTUAL CONDITIONAL USE NEXT.
AND IF YOU WERE TO WANT TO PUT A SPECIFIC CONDITION THERE, YES, YOU COULD.
SO FOR INSTANCE, AN EXAMPLE OF THAT BEING CURRENTLY, IF YOU WERE TO TRY TO GO AND OPEN AN ADULT ARCADE, YOU HAVE TO BE AT LEAST 100 FEET AWAY FROM A RESIDENTIALLY ZONED PROPERTY.
THE REASON I'M ASKING THIS IS THAT I DON'T WANT US TO MISS ANYTHING, THAT WHEN SOMEONE ELSE COMES AND THEN WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY LOOKING AT WHAT THEY'RE REALLY DOING BECAUSE WE HEAR PEST CONTROL, WE REMEMBER WHAT SLUG A BUG DOES, AND THEY'RE ALL UP TO STANDARD AND THAT SORT OF THING.
AND THEN WE DON'T PUT A LINE ITEM IN THERE AND THEN WE MISS SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, PRACTICAL OR NECESSARY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING TO IMPACT.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I'M ASKING IF IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE SOMETHING ELSE.
RIGHT. I GET WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.
BUT AT THIS TIME, WE DON'T RECOMMEND CONDITIONS ON THE USE ITSELF.
YEAH. THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
IS THERE ANYONE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST? ANYONE WHO WAS TO OPPOSE THIS REQUEST.
FLOOR IS NOW CLOSED FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS AND THE CASE IS BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD.
DO I HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR EMOTION, PLEASE? A MOTION TO APPROVE TEXTUAL AMENDMENT 23 2022.
SECOND. A MOTION BY MR. WEINBERG, SECONDED BY MR. GOODE. ALL IN FAVOR.
ALL RIGHT. AND OUR FINAL PIECE RELATED TO THIS TYPE OF BUSINESS IS SEE YOU 24 TO 2022.
THIS IS FOR SPECIFICALLY 2.05 ACRES OF LAND, ONE PARCEL.
OVERALL, THE CURRENT ZONING DISTRICT IS RESTRICTED COMMERCIAL.
AS FOR A PEST CONTROL BUSINESS, WHICH IS WHAT THIS REQUEST IS FOR, SO WHAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU IS THE APPLICANT REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE TO OPERATE A PEST CONTROL BUSINESS IN THE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
THIS IS THE OVERALL PLAN, AS WE HAVE HEARD TONIGHT, THAT IS AN EXISTING BUILDING CURRENTLY.
THEY ARE JUST LOOKING TO OCCUPY IT.
SO THE OVERALL SITE LAYOUT IS PROJECTED AS WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN CONSTRUCTED.
STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF C 24 TO 2022 AND REQUESTS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ALSO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF C 24 TO 2022 STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
THANK YOU. DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE OF THE APPLICANT COME FORWARD.
PREVIOUS COMMENTS ARE IN THE RECORD IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD ON THE CONDITIONAL.
JUST ONE THING. WE WERE REQUIRED TO HAVE A CITIZENS MEETING, WHICH WE HAD A WEEK AGO TUESDAY, AND GOOD OR BAD, WE ONLY HAD TWO PEOPLE COME AND THEY WERE ACTUALLY THE TWO CLOSEST NEIGHBORS ON EITHER SIDE.
AND THE ONE FELLA, HIS HIS BIGGEST REQUEST WAS, HOW DO I GET MY PROPERTY ZONED TO CC, WHICH WE EXPLAINED TO HIM HE HAD TO COME OF TEA, GARLIC, AND THE OTHER ONE HAD A LEGITIMATE COMPLAINT AND THAT WAS ABOUT THE CHEMICALS BECAUSE THEY HAVE ASTHMA AND THEIR FAMILY AND THEY THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS
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WASN'T GOING TO BE A HAZARD FOR THEM.AND I THINK MR. LUM STAFF AFTER DISCUSSION AND I THINK THEY EVEN GOT BACK WITH THEM THE NEXT DAY, BUT THEY AREN'T EVEN HERE TONIGHT.
SO I THINK THEY LEFT HAPPY AND WERE IN FAVOR.
YOU. WHICH IS NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST? HE OPPOSED. SEGMENT WILL CLOSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD.
OR. QUESTIONS OR MOTION, PLEASE.
I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION, CHAIR.
THERE IS A CONDITION HERE THAT SAYS.
THAT ANY OUR FUTURE SITE IMPROVEMENTS REQUIRE OUR FULL SITE PLAN TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE.
AND I JUST WANTED TO ENSURE THAT THE APPLICANT IS AWARE AND IS IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT.
ABBOTT CAN LIKE TO ANSWER THAT.
RECOMMENDATIONS ARE YOU'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT.
I'M 46, 20 LIME STREET, COCOA, FLORIDA.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO APPROVE CASE SIU DASH 24 2022 FOR APPROVAL SECOND. SURE.
MY MS.. MIRAGE SINGING BY MR. WEINBERG ALL IN FAVOR.
MADAM CHAIRMAN, CAN I JUST SAY ONE THING ABOUT OUR WAY OUT? AND IT'S BASICALLY A COMPLIMENT FOR YOUR STAFF, BUT IT WAS VERY NICE TO COME DOWN HERE AND WORK WITH SUCH PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE, EVEN THOUGH YOU STOLE MOST OF THEM FROM US AND COCOA THERE.
BUT IT WAS VERY IT WAS A VERY NICE EXPERIENCE.
AND WE THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR.
GET HER HER PRESENT FOR WHEN YOU RETIRE BECAUSE CLEARLY SHE'S DO SOMETHING.
THERE'S BEEN A REQUEST TO CONTINUE T 25 2022.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION? A MOTION TO CONTINUE.
25 2022 TO THE JULY 6TH MEETING.
SECOND MOTION BY MR. WEINBERG. BY MR. BOEREMA. ALL IN FAVOR.
UNANIMOUSLY CONTINUED THE LAST CASE.
ALL RIGHT. THIS IS A AN INITIATIVE MADE BY THE CITY OF PALM BAY, FLORIDA, TO MODIFY THE LANGUAGE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE VARIANCES AND TO ESTABLISH LANGUAGE FOR INCLUSIONARY HOUSING.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE AND MAKE EMPHASIS THAT YOU ARE AWARE THAT WE WILL BE ADHERING TO THE SAME STANDARDS OF REVIEW IN TERMS OF MAKING SURE ADHERES TO THESE SEVEN CRITERIA FOR CODE.
WHEN MAKING AN ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW OF A VARIANCE REQUEST, THE ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW OF THE VARIANCE REQUEST IS NOT CHANGING IN TERMS OF THE WAIVER ABILITY FROM THE CODE.
IN FACT, THE CODE CURRENTLY READS THAT THE WAIVER CAN GO UP TO 20% OR 12 INCHES DEPENDING ON THE STRUCTURE, SIZE AND SO FORTH, WHEREAS STAFF CAN APPROVE THAT.
CURRENTLY AS AN ADMINISTRATIVE VARIANCE, THIS CODE CONTINUES AND MAINTAINS THAT INTEGRITY, WHILE ALSO MAKING SURE THAT IT HAS THESE SEVEN CONDITIONS ATTACHED TO IT AND THEN DOES GO FURTHER INTO DETAIL ABOUT THE PROCESSES AND HOW WE WILL GO ABOUT INTERNALLY REVIEWING THAT, WHICH DOES HAVE AN INTER-DEPARTMENTAL REVIEW PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WOULD RECEIVE AN APPROVAL OR RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL BEFORE BEING SIGNED OFF ON.
STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
WE DO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF 27 2022.
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PROCESS. I DO BELIEVE THERE MIGHT BE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS IN A LITTLE BIT, BUT SO THAT 20% THAT I DID MENTION, WHILE YES, SOMEBODY COULD ASK FOR A VARIANCE IN 20%, THEY ARE LESS LIKELY TO RECEIVE THAT WHEN IT HAS TO BE PROVEN THERE.THERE'S A HARDSHIP. SO THAT'S THE BASIS OF THE VARIANCE.
THE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING INITIATIVE INSIDE OF HERE WILL MANDATE THAT YOU CAN GIVE SOME EXCHANGE FOR THESE HOUSING REBATES INSTEAD OF GOING FORWARD WITH THE FALLOUT BURDEN OF THE FULL DEVELOPMENT.
SO THERE IS A BIT OF A DIFFERENTIATION.
THERE'S A THRESHOLD FOR THE VARIANCE PROCESS.
THERE IS NOT FOR INCLUSIONARY HOUSING AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
WHEN WE GET TO THE NEGOTIATION, IF WE ARE TO THE LASTLY, I DO WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THE VARIANCE IN TRADITION IS YOU NEED TO PROVIDE A LEVEL OF HARDSHIP FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO BE GRANTED A VARIANCE.
OR HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. MR. ANDERSON, AM I UNDERSTANDING THIS CORRECTLY IN THAT IT WILL ALLOW THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT TO GRANT THESE VARIANCES ADMINISTRATIVELY SO THAT THEY DON'T NEED TO GO TO COUNCIL WHEN THEY'RE BELOW A CERTAIN THRESHOLD.
IS IS THAT THE HORIZON WE'RE GETTING TO HERE? THAT IS CORRECT. BUT IT IS NOT CHANGING THAT PARAMETER THAT PARAMETERS ARE ALREADY IN PLACE.
IT'S JUST ADDING LANGUAGE ON THE PROCESS IN WHICH WE WILL UNFOLD AN ADMINISTRATIVE VARIANCE.
ANYTHING ABOVE THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL.
UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
WOULD YOU SAY THAT AS IT IS TODAY THAT THE DEPARTMENT LEVERAGES THAT AND GRANTS EVERYTHING BELOW 20% WITHOUT IT GOING TO COUNCIL? I HAVE ONLY BEEN HERE RECENTLY, BUT TO MY KNOWLEDGE WE HAVE YET TO GRANT ONE IN MY TIME PERIOD HERE.
SO I WOULD NOT SAY THAT IT IS A FREQUENT SITUATION.
IN FACT, MOST SITUATIONS THAT COME BEFORE US DO END UP GOING THROUGH COUNCIL INSTEAD BECAUSE THE VARIANCE REQUEST WE HAVE, WE HAVE NOT EXPLICITLY CONVEYED OURSELVES, I GUESS, AS FORTHRIGHT THAT WE SHOULD BE OR LOOKING INTO THE 20% THRESHOLD, MAINLY BECAUSE WE WANTED TO ADOPT THIS TYPE OF LANGUAGE AND HAVE A BETTER PLATFORM FOR IT BEFORE GETTING INTO THE WEEDS WHERE IT MIGHT BE A SOLE OR SILO TYPE OF REVIEW PROCESS.
SOME OF THIS LANGUAGE REVERTS MORE BACK TO INTERDEPARTMENTAL COORDINATION, AND WE THINK THAT'S A MUCH BETTER PROCESS THAT GIVES THE CITY A LOT MORE AFFORDABILITY TO BE ABLE TO UNDERTAKE THIS INITIATIVE.
I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU EXPANDING ON THAT THOUGHT.
I. I'M TRYING TO COME TO A LEVEL OF UNDERSTANDING ON WHERE THIS PUTS US IN OUR JUST OVERALL ENDEAVOR TO BE ONE EASIER TO DO BUSINESS WITH, BUT TWO, EASIER TO LIVE WITHIN, AND THREE TO LIGHTEN THE LOAD OF CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS.
SO I'LL BE IN ATTENDANCE TOMORROW.
MR. BATTEN WELL, A FEW OF OUR OTHER CHIEF CITIZENS, MAYBE A FEW OF THE FOLKS OUT HERE ON THIS BOARD, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT AGENDA TOMORROW, IT'S A PRIME EXAMPLE OF THIS OVERFLOW OF BUSINESS AND OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS, THEY'LL STAY HERE AS LONG AS IT TAKES, AND SO WILL US FAITHFUL CITIZENS.
BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE SOMETIMES WHEN IT'S THE SAME EXACT THING.
EVERYBODY WANTS A FEW FEET SO THEY CAN PUT A POOL IN.
SO ONCE WE'VE ESTABLISHED THIS, I WOULD I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO START EXERCISING AND FLEXING THE MUSCLE THAT YOU HAVE ADMINISTRATIVELY. AND DO YOU FEEL AS THOUGH THAT AT THE 20% THRESHOLD WILL BE GOOD? OR DO YOU THINK TO TRULY ACHIEVE THE GOAL OF GETTING THESE VERY COMMON VARIANCES THAT THERE'S KIND OF THIS AGREEMENT THAT WE'RE OKAY WITH WHAT WE NEED TO RAISE THAT THRESHOLD? SO TO YOUR FIRST PORTION OF YOUR QUESTION, YES, I BELIEVE IT WILL LIGHTEN THE LOAD FROM OUR WE BELIEVE IT WILL LIGHTEN THE LOAD FROM CITY COUNCIL.
IT WILL BE ABLE TO TAKE AWAY FOR INSTANCE, THERE IS AN OFTEN REQUESTED FENCE VARIANCE.
THIS COULD AND POTENTIALLY WILL ELIMINATE THAT HAVING TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL.
AND THEN TO ANSWER YOUR SECOND HALF OF THE QUESTION, WE BELIEVE 20% IS MUCH MORE OF A REASONABLE LIMIT TO HAVE WITHIN SIGHT OF STAFF POWERS CURRENTLY, WHEREAS IF SOMETHING SUCH AS AGAIN, LET'S SAY THE FENCE SITUATION WHERE IT REQUIRES THAT 15 FOOT SEPARATION ON A CORNER LOT, IF THAT HAPPENS TO GO OVER THE
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20%, THEN WHAT THAT DOES IS IT POINTS TO US WE NEED TO MAKE A CODE CHANGE RATHER THAN CONTINUALLY LOOK AT A VARIANCE BECAUSE IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A LAND CREATED HARDSHIP AT THAT POINT. IT'S A CODIFIED CREATED HARDSHIP THAT WE CAN ADJUST AND AMEND FOR.SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT RESPONSE, SIR, AND THANK YOU TO YOU AND THE REST OF THE DEPARTMENT FOR TAKING ON THAT WORK, BECAUSE WHAT NONE OF US WANT IN CITY OPERATIONS IS THE GAME OF WHACK A MOLE TO CONTINUE IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.
YOU COME UP WITH SUSTAINABLE SOLUTIONS TO PROBLEMS. YOU FIND THE ROOT CAUSES AND YOU FIX THEM.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT EXPLANATION, AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS SITE.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? FINE VOLUNTARY INCLUSIONARY HOUSING.
IT IS LEFT TO BE RELATIVELY AMBIGUOUS BECAUSE IT ALLOWS FOR THE CITY TO MANEUVER ITSELF INTO BETTER POSITIONS WHEN TRYING TO MAKE THESE AGREEMENTS AND GETTING MORE OUT OF WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.
IF WE WERE TO MAKE MORE GENERALIZED CONDITIONS WHERE POTENTIALLY REDUCING OUR ABILITY ON DIFFERENT AND MORE UNIQUE PROPERTIES TO GET THE MAXIMIZATION OUT OF THEM. SO BY MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE KEPT IT RELATIVELY AT A HIGHER LEVEL AT THIS POINT IN TIME, IT ALLOWS US MORE FLEXIBILITY TO NOT ONLY ACCOMMODATE VARIATIONS IN DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROJECTS, BUT ALSO ALLOWS FOR US TO MAKE CHANGES TO THIS LATER ON AS WE SEE ANY POTENTIAL RIPPLE EFFECTS OCCUR FROM IT. WHEREAS IF WE WERE TO OVER CODIFY SOMETHING, WE MAY DISSUADE PEOPLE TAKING INTO THIS INITIATIVE, WHICH WOULD BE PROBLEMATIC FROM THE GET GO.
TO BE FIT INTO EVERY DEVELOPMENT TO VOLUNTARILY HAVE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING.
SO IT WILL ALLOW FOR THE DEVELOPER TO DETERMINE IF THEY WANT TO DO THIS.
ALL THESE. IT'S REALLY INCLUSIONARY BUT VERY OPEN TO LIKE, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO GRANT OTHER INCENTIVES? HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT'S FAIR? ABSOLUTELY NO. THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION.
AND WE HAVE TO ANALYZE THE THE INTAKE AS WELL AS SOME OF THE THE OVERALL.
I'M SORRY. DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO SAY, ALEX? GO AHEAD. I'M GOING TO LET ALEX I'M GOING TO DEFER TO ALEX FOR A SECOND.
SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT AS FAR AS INCLUSIONARY HOUSING IS, THINGS SUCH AS REDUCTION OF PARKING AND MAYBE IF THERE'S A SETBACK THAT COULDN'T BE MET BY A FOOT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND TRYING TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE WHOLE COMMUNITY AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE HOLISTICALLY.
SO SO THOSE ARE THE IDEAS THAT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WHEN WE LOOK AT INCLUSIONARY HOUSING AND AND HAVING THIS LANGUAGE PUT INTO THE BOOKS. VERY NEBULOUS.
ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT YOU MIGHT.
SIR. IT'S ALL IT'S ALREADY IN THERE.
SO IT'S JUST TO ENCOMPASS THAT INTO INCLUSIONARY HOUSING.
SO, SO WE ALREADY HAVE ALL OF THOSE THINGS ON THE BOOKS.
IT'S JUST TO SAY WE'D LIKE TO UTILIZE WHAT'S IN THERE WITH INCLUSIONARY HOUSING.
THE FIRST. SINGAPORE IS NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST? YEAH. GILBERT IN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST.
RIGHT. THE FIRST PORTION WHERE INDIVIDUAL COMES AND ASK FOR A VARIANCE.
RIGHT. WHEN ALL OF A SUDDEN IT SAYS, WELL, YOUR VARIANCE IS I.E.
YOUR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, THE HEIGHT OF YOUR BUILDING, THE SIZE OF YOUR YARD REQUIREMENT OR YOUR PART REQUIRED PARKING. THOSE ARE THE VARIANCES THAT THEY SAY THEY CAN ALLEVIATE EVEN WITHOUT YOU KNOWING ABOUT IT OR THE PUBLIC KNOWING ABOUT IT UP TO 20%.
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THAT'S A PRETTY BIG BY BAT AND STANDARD SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT.AND WE SEE IT QUITE REGULARLY THOUGH, WHERE AN INDIVIDUAL HAS TO SIT IN THE AUDIENCE FOR HOURS TO SEE, I JUST WANT TO PUT A SWIMMING POOL IN OR I WANT TO COVER MY SCREEN PORCH AND THE POOR INDIVIDUAL SITS THERE FOR HOURS.
HERE'S WHERE I'M AT CONFLICT WITH THIS.
SO THAT IS BY MY STANDARD, THAT'S A SMALL PRICE TO PAY FOR TRANSPARENCY, TO SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING WITHIN THE CITY WHEN THEY'RE GRANTING OF A VARIANCE. EVERYBODY KNOWS THEN WHAT'S HAPPENING THIS OTHER WAY FOR THEM.
WAIVER OF IT, IT COULD BECOME.
YOU CAN GO ALL THE WAY UP TO 20%.
NOW, REMEMBER, THAT WAS 20% OF THE PARKING.
THAT WAS 20% OF THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING.
THAT WAS 20% OF THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS.
YOU START PUTTING ALL THAT TOGETHER.
THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF IFFY WITH NOBODY KNOWING ABOUT IT.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S WHAT STAFF WOULD DO, BUT BILL BARTON'S GLASS IS NEVER HALF FULL.
BILL BATMAN'S GLASS IS ALWAYS HALF EMPTY.
AND THAT'S THE WAY I APPROACH EVERYTHING.
I WANT YOU TO REMEMBER THAT 20% JUST ASKING FOR A VARIANCE.
THEN WE GO TO THE NEXT PORTION THAT WAS IN PARAGRAPH G, BY THE WAY.
CONTRIBUTE TO THE HOUSING FUND IN LIEU OF BUILDING AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNIT.
THAT'S AN UNDERSTANDABLE PROBLEM BECAUSE MONEY IS THE MOTIVATOR OF EVERYTHING.
SO WHAT THEIR SOLUTION TO THAT IS, IS TO HAVE THIS CONTRIBUTE TO THE HOUSING FUND, A PERCENTAGE OR SOME MONEY, BUT IT'S VOLUNTARY, BUT YOU GET YOUR GRANT. AND SO THEY SAYING, WELL, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE INCENTIVES TO LET YOU DO THAT.
WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT IS WATER IMPACT FEES.
WELL, WE JUST LOOKED AT PARAGRAPH G.
HERE'S ALL THESE VARIANTS THAT PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR.
THEY'RE SAYING IF YOU HAVE TO COME AND ASK FOR A VARIANCE, THAT MIGHT BE THE PERFECT OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THAT TO THE BUILDING PARTNER AND SAY, YEAH, WE CAN GRANT THAT PROVIDED YOU PAY INTO THIS HOUSING FUND.
I'M JUST LOOKING FOR TRYING TO BE PART OF THE SOLUTION BECAUSE I THINK BECAUSE IF I WAS THE BUILDER, I WOULD IMMEDIATELY AND SAY, I'M NOT GOING TO CONTRIBUTE ANYTHING TO THE HOUSING FUND WHEN I CAN GET IT 20% VARIANCE FOR FREE JUST BY ASKING FOR IT.
THE CITY DOES NOT CURRENTLY HAVE AN INCLUSION HOUSING ORDINANCE.
I TRIED TO FIND THE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING ORDINANCE.
AND SO I CALLED AND SPENT SOME TIME ON THE PHONE WITH THEM.
MODERATE HOUSING PORTION WITHIN THE CITY.
BUT IT'S NOT FOR THIS PROCESS TO WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO ESTABLISH SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS.
THAT'S NOT HOW THE PROCESS IS WORKING.
I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS MAYBE HELD UP A LITTLE BIT SO THEY CAN ACTUALLY WORK OUT SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS THAT WE BROUGHT UP, BECAUSE I PROMISE YOU, I WOULD JUST ASK FOR THE FREEBIE INSTEAD OF GIVING SOME OF MY MONEY AWAY.
ASK FOR THE CONTRIBUTION TO THE HOUSING FUND, TO THE WHAT ARE THEY CALLING IT INTO THE HOUSING FUND? I SAY, WELL, WHERE DOES THAT MONEY GO? AND I THOUGHT IT WENT TO THE PLANNING, ZONING, PAY, SALARIES.
IS THAT A PROPOSAL, BILL? IS THAT A PROPOSAL? I THINK. ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE FLOOR? NONE. I'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR COMMENTS, QUESTIONS OR MOTION.
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INCENTIVES, ETC..BUT MY UNDERSTANDING WAS IF SOMEONE DID COME TO THE CITY AND THEN THEY THEY'RE NOT LOOKING TO DO AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THEN YOU WILL TALK TO THEM AND DETERMINE WHAT THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGING THEM TO DO AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND THEN YOU WOULD SAY A LIST OF CERTAIN INCENTIVES.
I GUESS YOU WOULD YOU WOULDN'T GIVE THEM MORE THAN THEY ACTUALLY DESERVE.
SO THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T ASK ABOUT IT, BECAUSE I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WHAT THAT IS.
AND I KNOW THIS SIMILAR LANGUAGE THAT CAME UP, THEY WERE PRETTY VAGUE.
SO IT WAS LIMITING IN SOME RESPECTS, BUT STILL ENOUGH TO TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE OPEN TO SEE WHAT YOU HAVE TO OFFER. SO SO I GUESS I WAS CORRECT IN TERMS OF IT'S A TRADE OFF.
X AMOUNT OF HOUSES HAS TO VALUE WHAT THE INCENTIVES WERE.
HOUSING. SO I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THIS.
YOU LIKE TO SEE. WHOLE THING IF.
MR. BRAND IS CORRECT THAT WE DON'T HAVE AN INCLUSIONARY HOUSING SECTION.
THEN HOW DO YOU SAY YOU'VE ALREADY GOT THAT IN PLACE? WHERE'S THE SECTION? SO I'M SORRY.
CAN YOU REPEAT WHAT PART YOU'RE REFERENCING AT? BECAUSE THE WHAT? WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE OR IS THERE A SECTION ON INCLUSIONARY HOUSING IN OUR CODE? NO. SO THIS IS GOING TO BE THE INITIATION OF IT ALL.
SO THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO THIS DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S GOING TO ACTUALLY HAPPEN.
THIS IS JUST THE FIRST STEP IN ALLOWING FOR INCLUSIONARY HOUSING IN A BROAD, SWEEPING MANNER TO ALLOW FOR THE CITY TO DETERMINE WHAT TYPE OF NEGOTIATIONS THEY MAY WANT TO GO THROUGH.
THAT WILL, OF COURSE, BE EQUALLY WEIGHTED IN TERMS OF THE GIVE AND TAKE SITUATION, BUT IT ALLOWS US MORE FLEXIBILITY TO SEE WHAT TYPE OF OFFERS AND OPTIONS WE MAY GET FROM DEVELOPERS BEFORE DETERMINING WHAT WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO UTILIZE IN THIS TYPE OF RESPECT.
SO RATHER THAN COMPLETELY RESTRICTING OUR PLANNING TOOL, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE IT'S MALLEABLE, IT'S IT'S ABLE TO BE ADJUSTABLE AND SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CONTINUALLY USE WITHOUT HAVING TO COME BACK TO YOU BEFORE BEING ABLE TO USE IT.
IF WE MAKE IT MORE RESTRICTIVE NOW THAN BEFORE, WE CAN UTILIZE ANYTHING, WE HAVE TO COME TO YOU IF WE MAKE IT NOT TOO RESTRICTIVE YET, BUT THEN REALIZE THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS, WE CAN STILL IMPOSE THOSE RESTRICTIONS AT A STAFF LEVEL BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING IN HERE THAT SAYS WE CAN'T.
THERE'S NOTHING CODIFIED SAYING WHAT THE RESTRICTIONS ARE RIGHT NOW.
SO IT'S REALLY A USABILITY INTERFACE RIGHT NOW OF WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN START HAVING INCLUSIONARY HOUSING AT WELL, NOT THIS MOMENT, BUT FROM THE PERIOD IF IT WERE TO BE APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL OR IF WE WANT TO WAIT UNTIL WE FIGURE OUT EXACTLY THE THE TYPE OF.
A DEVELOPMENT INITIATIVES THAT WE MIGHT FACE WHEN BEING OFFERED BY DEVELOPERS.
SINCE THIS IS SO NEW FOR US, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE WILL BE OFFERED.
THROUGH THE COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.
A QUICK QUESTION. SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE IT GETS A LITTLE SHADE SHADY, RIGHT.
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BECAUSE THEN SINCE IT DOESN'T COME IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC, PEOPLE MAY THINK, OH, HOW COME THIS DEVELOPER, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY WERE EXCELLENT AND NEGOTIATING, YOU KNOW, GOT THIS THIS THIS, THIS INCENTIVE.AND THEN OTHER PEOPLE DIDN'T GET IT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T KNOW TO ASK.
SO THAT'S WHERE IT'S A LITTLE NERVE WRACKING I THINK FOR OUR CHAIR TO SAY, OKAY, YEAH, SURE.
BECAUSE YOU SEE THE LINE ITEM, OTHER INCENTIVES, IT'S A LITTLE NERVE RACKING IN ITSELF.
SO MAYBE IF WE HAD SOMEONE TO SPEAK TO US ON THE TYPES OF INCENTIVES AND SEE HOW THE CITY MANAGER AND WOULD APPLY AND DETERMINE WHICH INCENTIVE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT TAKE.
WE WANT TO APPROVE THE VARIANCES AND THEN SEND THAT BACK FOR MORE CLARIFICATION.
OR DO YOU HAVE SOMEONE WHO COULD KIND OF GIVE US THE LEVEL OF INCENTIVES BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, LITERALLY ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN, YOU KNOW? YES, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.
SO THERE ARE THREE TYPES OF OPTIONS AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
SO THE FIRST WOULD BE TAKING IT AS WAS JUST POTENTIALLY MOTIONED.
AND THEN THE THIRD WOULD BE JUST TO GO THROUGH WITH IT.
SO THOSE WOULD BE THOSE THREE AS WELL AS THE FOURTH WOULD BE JUST A STRAIGHT DENIAL OF IT.
MOTION. MADAM CHAIR, JUST FOR DISCUSSION SAKE, I'LL SAY I DON'T SEE MERITS IN PASSING IT AS WRITTEN LESS THE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING LANGUAGE, BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING FROM MR. ANDERSON'S ANSWER TO MY QUESTION WAS ADMINISTRATIVELY, WE HAVE EVERYTHING.
IT'S MEAT AND POTATOES IS THIS INCLUSIONARY HOUSING PIECE.
IF THERE'S MORE CLARIFICATION THAT CAN BE FOUND IN THIS STAGE OF THE GAME, THEN I DO THINK THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME MERITS TO PERHAPS TABLING THE ITEM AND BRINGING IT BACK AT OUR NEXT MEETING WITH FURTHER INFORMATION.
I SAY ALL THAT TO SAY, THOUGH, MADAM CHAIR, I DON'T SEE FROM MR. ANDERSON'S EXPLANATION.
I DON'T SEE WHAT FURTHER INFORMATION THE CITY STAFF COULD HAVE AT THIS TIME, BECAUSE WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY WANT TO CODIFY THIS SO THAT THEY CAN SIT AT A TABLE AND A DEVELOPER CAN SAY, WE'LL TAKE ON THIS PROJECT, BUT WE WANT X, Y AND Z SIMPLY SO THEY CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
OF COURSE, IN PURSUIT OF GRANTING THEM X, Y AND Z, IT WOULD NEED TO GO THROUGH THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, MR. ANDERSON, BUT WOULD IT THEN ALSO NEED TO GO THROUGH THE COUNCIL PROCESS SO THAT, TO BE HONEST, IS A LITTLE UNCLEAR IN THE WAY IT IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD POTENTIALLY MAKE AS A CONDITION IF YOU WERE TO CHOOSE.
I'M NOT SURE OF THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THAT POTENTIAL CONDITION RIGHT NOW.
WE WOULD NEED TO SPEAK WITH NANCY, OUR COMMUNITY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR.
BUT AS YOU HAD MENTIONED, YEAH, THIS THE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING IS THE FOCUS OF IT.
SO UNTIL WE DO HAVE THAT AUTHORITY TO GO FORWARD THAT THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT INCLUSIONARY HOUSING THE CITY IS NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE YET WITH A DEVELOPER UNTIL WE DO ADD THIS IN. THAT SAID, MADAM CHAIR, MY DESIRE WOULD BE TO GET THE STAFF, THE LIBERTIES THAT THEY NEED TO HAVE NEGOTIATIONS, BUT ALSO TO ESTABLISH SOME SORT OF LANGUAGE THAT THAT SAYS IT'S GOING TO COME BACK INTO THE LIGHT, AS I LIKE TO REFER TO IT, BEFORE ANY MOVES ARE MADE.
SO I ALL THAT SAID, I DO SEE MERITS IN A TABLE.
THAT'S WHERE I'M LEANING HERE.
I SEE MERITS IN A TABLE AND ASKING STAFF TO DOVE IN DEEPER, CONSULT WITH COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, CONSULT WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, TAKE OUR FEEDBACK BACK, AND JUST BE ABLE TO ELABORATE FURTHER AT A LATER JUNCTION.
I. MAY I? YEAH, I TEND TO AGREE.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT IT CAN INCLUDE? IT'S BASICALLY.
WE DON'T EVEN KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHAT'S GOING TO BE AFFECTED BY THIS.
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I THINK IT SHOULD BE TABLED.BEFORE WE CONTINUE, JUST FOR 1/2, I APOLOGIZE TO INTERRUPT.
IT MAY BE BEST TO TABLE HALF OF IT IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN THE FIRST HALF, BECAUSE THE FIRST HALF DOES ALLEVIATE THAT BURDEN FROM COUNSELING YOURSELVES, THE FIRST HALF BEING JUST THE ADMINISTRATIVE VARIANCE PORTION.
AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK TO YOU WITH THE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING NEXT MONTH WITH SOME MORE INFORMATION WHERE WE CAN AT LEAST START TO LESSEN THAT INTENSIVE VARIANCE NATURE AT CITY COUNCIL. I TEND TO AGREE WITH THAT.
YOU KNOW, BILL REMEMBERS THAT.
SO I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE 27, 2022 WITH THE REMOVAL OF OF ANY ANY REFERENCE TO INCLUSIONARY HOUSING.
MOTION BY MR. WEINBERG SECOND BY MS..
THE EXCLUSION OF SECTION H FOR INCLUSIONARY HOUSING TO BE TABLED.
AND MADAM CHAIR, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR, STEPH, THAT WE'RE INTERESTED AS A BOARD IN HEARING ABOUT THE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING ENTIRELY, BUT IT'LL BE A SEPARATE ITEM AT THAT TIME. SO YOU NOW HAVE THE FREEDOM TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE ADMINISTRATIVE THINGS.
THIS IS GOING TO GO TOWARDS COUNCIL AND BE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
THANK YOU. AN AGREEABLE RESULT.
HEY, THAT'S INCLUDES THE CASES FOR THIS EVENING.
MEETING IS ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.