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[CALL TO ORDER]

[00:00:04]

HEY. 7:00 UPON US.

I'LL CALL THE MEETING OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE ADVISORY BOARD TO ORDER.

CAN I GET A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? YES, CHAIR. CHAIRMAN THOMAS COME PRESENT VICE CHAIR REBECCA.

PRESENT MEMBER ANN MARIE.

PRESENT SIR PAUL EDWARDS.

ABSENT MEMBER DAVID JONES, PRESIDENT TERRY MULLER ROSEN VITALI HASN'T GOT A QUORUM. THANK YOU.

JUST AS A REMINDER, AT THE LAST MEETING WE VOTE VOTED TO CANCEL THE JULY MEETING SO WE WON'T MEET AGAIN UNTIL THE END OF AUGUST.

[ADOPTION OF MINUTES ]

IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU HAVE THE MEETINGS OR THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING.

ANY CHANGES? IF NOT, I'LL TAKE A MOTION.

MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING.

ALL IN FAVOR. RIGHT.

JUST WHO WAS THE FIRST MOTION? DAVID AND THEN SECOND.

BUT COMMENTS FROM MR. BATTEN TONIGHT. NEW BUSINESS, MR.

[BUSINESS ]

WATANABE. ALL RIGHT.

THANK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

PER THE LAST MEETING, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION REGARDING FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS WITHIN THE CITY.

THE CITY HAS TWO AREAS OF DEVELOPMENT GOING ON, MAINLY WHAT WE CALL THE NORTHEAST AREA AND THE IN THE SOUTHWEST DEVELOPMENT AREA.

AND SO I PUT TOGETHER A QUICK PRESENTATION.

I APOLOGIZE. IT WASN'T IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET BECAUSE I PUT IT TOGETHER TODAY, BUT I WANT YOU TO HAVE A VISUAL ON WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THIS WILL GO TO CITY COUNCIL ON JULY 7TH FOR APPROVAL OF CONSULTANT SERVICES FOR TWO TRANSPORTATION MASTERPLANS.

SO YOU'RE SEEING IT FRESH.

THE FIRST IS WHAT I CALL THE NORTHWEST NORTHWEST QUADRANT, AND IT'S THE AREA, AS YOU SEE ON THIS MAP RIGHT HERE, WHICH PRETTY MUCH SHOWS THE THE EAST WEST ROADS AS MALABAR ROAD, PACE AND EMERSON AND THEN THE SOUTHWEST ROADS IS BASICALLY BEING THE SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY IN JUPITER.

SO THIS BASICALLY IS WHERE THE MAJORITY OF WHAT WE CALL THE NORTHWEST DEVELOPMENTS OCCURRING.

SO WE HAD DEVELOPMENTS LIKE AVERY SPRINGS, BRENTWOOD, CHAPARRAL, THE THREE FORKS, YOU KNOW, SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PRESERVE, THE SOON TO COME THE MALABAR SPRINGS, WHICH IS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE HIGH SCHOOL.

THEN GOING UP THE PARKWAY, WE HAVE PALM VISTA, PALM VISTA MIDDLE.

AND AS YOU SEE, IT'S ALL SHOWN IN YELLOW.

NEXT ONE KIND OF HIGHLIGHTS WHAT I JUST MENTIONED, ALL THOSE DEVELOPMENTS AND THE NUMBER OF SINGLE FAMILY UNITS.

FOR EXAMPLE, ST JOHN'S PRESERVE HAS PHASES ONE AND TWO.

SO YOU CAN SEE IT WAS 155 FOR THE FIRST 465 FOR A SECOND, AS WELL AS 300 FOR A MULTI FAMILY.

THEN YOU HAVE THE PALM VISTA EVERLANE'S, WHICH WAS 162.

THEN YOU CONTINUE DOWN WITH SEPARATE PHASES ONE AND TWO.

THEY WERE WAY BEFORE 602 PHASE IS 325 522 BRENTWOOD LAKES 124 417 AVERY SPRINGS 140 HERITAGE SQUARE COMMERCIAL, WHICH WOULD BE A SOON TO COME PUBLIX WITH SOME OTHER PARCELS.

A METAL BAR SPRINGS PHASE ONE, WHICH HAS 600 873.

THREE FOURTHS DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS THAT NEW ONE DOWN THERE JUST SOUTH OF THE MALABO ROAD, AT THE CORNER OF THE CORNER OF THE ST JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY.

AND THAT'S A MIXED USE OF SOME SINGLE FAMILY 376 SINGLE SINGLE FAMILY, 288 MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENTS.

THERE'S AN RV PARK AND ABUTS ABOUT 6.4 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL.

AND THERE'S A STELLA CASITA THAT'S THAT NEW KIND OF LIKE A MINI HOMES AND RENTAL HOMES YOU CAN RENT.

BUT THERE'S A SINGLE FAMILY THAT'S 270 THEY CALL MULTIFAMILY ON VISTA MEDLEY, WHICH IS THE PWD AND THEN THE PALM VISTA EVERGLADES PHASE TWO.

AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, JUST A PHASE TWO, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS MAP.

HUGE AREA.

HUGE AREA RIGHT HERE. WHAT'S LEFT OF THAT CORNER.

THAT WILL. THE LIMIT.

THAT'S WHY WE WERE DOING A NORTH WEST MASTERPLAN.

THE MASTERPLAN BASICALLY IS TO TAKE ALL THESE STUDIES THAT WE HAVE, ALL THESE ALL THESE DEVELOPMENTS AS ALL THESE TRIPS.

AND EVEN THOUGH THE STUDIES DO TRAFFIC STUDIES, YOU KNOW, THEY DO INDEPENDENT TRAFFIC STUDIES.

THEY TRY TO LOAD THE VISIT, VESTED TRIPS, BUT THEY DON'T PROVE FUTURE PROJECTS BECAUSE IN THEIR EYES, THEY'RE NOT THERE YET.

MAYBE IN THE PIPELINES THEY MAY BE IN THE REZONINGS, BUT BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN APPROVED, THEIR ANSWER IS WE DON'T PUT THEM ON OUR STUDIES.

SO HALF THE VESTED CHIPS ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY.

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SO WE HAVE A SLIGHT.

DEFICIENCY IN TERMS OF WHAT SHOULD BE THERE AS BEST INTERESTS.

THE ONE THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS GOING TO LOAD THE MODEL UP ALL IN ONE RUN THE MODEL TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IN FIVE YEARS, 20 YEARS AND BUILD OUT.

AND THEN FROM THAT POINT ON, WE'LL JUST KEEP ADDING ANY NEW DEVELOPMENTS AND WE'LL HAVE A BETTER CONTROL IN TERMS OF FORECASTING AND MODELING AND IDENTIFYING ROAD IMPROVEMENTS AHEAD OF TIME. SO THAT WAY WE CAN MAKE SURE THOSE DEVELOPMENTS PAY THEIR PROPORTIONATE, FAIR SHARE AND WHATEVER ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, WIDENING TRAFFIC SIGNALS.

AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY COUNCIL WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE.

SECOND ONE. I HAVE A QUESTION.

OH, GO AHEAD. SIX OUT.

HAVE A QUESTION, DEAR? OKAY.

SO YOU ARE DOING THIS LOADED MODEL NOW, BUT ALL OF THESE HAVE BEEN APPROVED AND ARE UNDERWAY.

HOW IS HOW IS THAT GOING TO BENEFIT US IF WE CAN'T GO BACK AND HAVE THEM? WE CAN ONLY GO FORWARD.

CORRECT. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW DOES THAT BENEFIT US AS A CITY IF WE'RE DOING IT AFTER THE FACT AND THEN THEY'RE STILL THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE HELD RESPONSIBLE, BUT WE THEN HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THE OF.

FROM THIS POINT ON THAT THERE WON'T BE ANY MORE OF THIS WHERE IT'S AN EXISTING CONDITIONS OR THOSE VESTED CHIPS AREN'T APPROVED YET.

SO WE'LL HAVE EVERYTHING APPROVED.

SO YOU'RE RIGHT, MAYBE IT SHOULD HAPPEN A YEAR AGO, TWO YEARS AGO.

I CAN'T SAY THREE YEARS AGO BECAUSE I KNOW WHEN I GOT HERE IN 2018, MOST OF THE DEVELOPMENT WAS STILL IN THE EARLY STAGES.

THIS HAPPENED IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT A CONVERSATION TO FIGURE OUT HOW.

SO WE'RE IDENTIFYING HOW WE'RE GOING TO RESOLVE IT FOR THE FUTURE.

BUT HOW IS IT THAT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE UP FOR THAT GAP? BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE A GAP.

THERE'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ANSWER TO, LIKE AS FAR AS THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE THE BRUNT OF IT.

CORRECT. BUT UNTIL I KNOW WHAT'S THERE AND WHAT'S THE GAP, WE HAVE TO DO THIS OR WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO BE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BIGGER GAP.

I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING IT.

BUT I'M JUST ASKING, IS THAT A PART OF THE CONVERSATION, HOW WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THE GAP? BECAUSE THAT WE KNOW THAT THERE IS A GAP.

AGAIN, UNTIL WE HAD THE STUDY, UNTIL WE IDENTIFY WHAT IS THIS GAP, I HAVE NO IDEA.

MAYBE THERE ISN'T A GAP.

WE CAUGHT IT JUST IN TIME.

I DON'T KNOW, UNTIL I RUN THE MODEL.

VERY OPTIMISTIC. I LOVE IT UNTIL I RUN THE MODEL AND SEE WHAT'S THERE.

KNOW I'M SAYING. AND AGAIN YOU GET TO.

THERE ARE DEFICIENCIES ALREADY IN THE SYSTEM IN THIS OCCURRED.

GOOD EXAMPLE, MALABAR ROAD, THAT MALABAR ROAD HAD BEEN FOUR LANE BEFORE ANY OF THIS HAPPENED.

CORRECT. SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY THESE HAVE UP.

AND WE AIN'T PUTTING A NICKEL INTO THE FOUR LANING BECAUSE THAT WAS ALREADY AN EXISTING CONDITION AND THEY'RE CORRECT.

BUT THEN WE STILL WENT AND APPROVED ALL OF THAT.

I'M SAYING WE MEAN COUNCIL APPROVED IT.

SO IT'S COUNCIL'S DECISION.

I'M JUST TRYING TO HELP OUT NOW BY SAYING LET'S TAKE A SNAPSHOT AND THIS HAVE A TOOL NOW SO WE IN THE FUTURE COULD AVOID AND POTENTIALLY NOT HAVE ANY FUTURE GAPS.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT, WHICH WE ACTUALLY HAVE A BETTER GRASP BECAUSE THIS WAS ONE TIME JUST ONE BIG DEVELOPMENT.

SAY WHAT A STONE BED.

AND SO IT WAS PRETTY CONTROLLABLE.

THEN CAME EMERALD LAKES.

SO WE HAD TWO PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WITH PAUL, WITH EMERALD LAKES, AND NOW THEY'VE BEEN BROKEN UP ALL HERE.

SO THERE'S SEVERAL DEVELOPERS OUT THERE.

AND SO THIS MAP SHOWS ALL THESE DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS, INCLUDING HIS ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WAS THE ORIGINAL CYPRESS BAY EAST.

AND NOW WE HAVE CYPRESS BAY WEST, ONE, TWO AND THREE.

WE HAVE THE GARDENS ONE, TWO AND THREE.

WE HAVE COURTYARDS ONE.

AND THEN WE POTENTIALLY HAVE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT HAPPENING ON THAT CORNER WHERE.

EAST CORNER, WHICH WILL HOPEFULLY BE A PUBLIX.

AND THEN BEN HAS COMMERCIALS STILL ON THE WEST SIDE, BUT APPEARS HE MAY BE PUTTING IN MULTIFAMILY TOWNHOMES.

SO THIS WHOLE THING KEEPS CHANGING.

GO ALL THE WAY DOWN SOUTH TOWARDS MITCHELL ROAD, THERE'S A POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT CALLED MITCHELL VILLAGES.

SHE HERE THAT'S A HUGE FEUD THAT'S DEVELOPING.

AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, I KNOW OF SEVERAL OTHER ONES THAT ARE FISHING IN THIS AREA.

SO THIS IS JUST A SNAPSHOT, WHICH IS THE RIGHT TIME AGAIN TO DO THE STUDY.

WHAT'S SHOWN HERE IS THE COMPILATION OF ALL THE ONES IN THE SOUTH WEST, JUST AS MANY AS WE HAD IN THE NORTHWEST.

LOOK AT ALL THE ONES IN THE SOUTH WEST, WHICH INCLUDES CYPRESS BAY EAST ONE AND TWO COURTYARDS, ONE AND TWO GARDENS, ONE CYPRESS BAYS, ONE THROUGH WEST, ONE THROUGH THREE GARDENS SHOULD BE TWO AND THREE.

AND THEN WE HAVE THE CYPRESS BAY COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS POTENTIAL EIGHT PARCELS.

ONE OF THEM IS THE PUBLIX, THE WATERSTONE COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS THE REMAINING PORTIONS THAT BEN STILL OWNS.

AND I THINK HE'S LOOKING AT COMMERCIAL AND MULTIFAMILY.

THEN, OF COURSE, YOU HAVE THE EMERALD LAKES WEST, WHICH IS THE ONE THAT WAS APPROVED FOR IT, AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MOSTLY EAST THAT'S GOING TO CONNECT THE OTHER SIDE OF I-95.

AND THEN YOU HAVE THE MITCHELL PARK VILLAGES.

ADD ALL THIS UP, YOU HAVE ALL THOSE TRIPS THAT ARE GOING TO BE LOADING ONTO BABCOCK.

BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS WE MADE THAT CONNECTION TO 95 AND THAT INTERCHANGE COULD GIVE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF CAPACITY.

I'M NOT TOO WORRIED ABOUT THIS.

AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THERE ARE DEVELOPER AGREEMENTS SET ASIDE THE GARDENS, CYPRESS BAY WITH WITH THE COMMERCIAL TO PAY THEIR PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE FOR ROADWAY WIDENING

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SIGNAL IMPROVEMENTS.

EXTENSIONS OF GERMANY DRIVE COMPLETION OF MARIA LOMA.

INSTALLATION OF SIGNAL AT MARY LOMA AT BABCOCK.

ALL THOSE ARE BEING DEVELOPED.

PROPORTIONATE. FAIR. SHARE PAID.

AND THAT'S ONLY ON THE SOUTH SIDE, NOT THE NORTH SOUTH, BECAUSE WE HAD A BETTER WE HAD A BETTER CONTROL BECAUSE IT WAS ONLY AT ONE TIME ONE DEVELOPER WITH ONE STUDY THAT SAYS, HERE ARE ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS WHICH WE DIDN'T HAVE IN THE NORTHWEST HERE.

WE WERE FORTUNATE TO HAVE BEEN DO ONE MASTER PLAN AND DO ONE MASSIVE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT HAD ALL THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT CAME OUT WITH THESE PROPOSED FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS.

SO FORTUNATELY WE HAD THAT.

SO WE HAVE A WAY TO ENGAGE EACH OF THESE DEVELOPERS TO PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE.

WE WENT THROUGH A SERIES OF STUDIES PORTION OF FAIR SHARE STUDIES.

EACH OF THE DEVELOPERS HAVE ALL AGREED ON THEIR PROPORTIONATE, FAIR SHARE.

ONE HAS ALREADY GONE TO COUNCIL AND HAS BEEN APPROVED THE DEVELOPER AGREEMENT.

THE SECOND ONE IS READY TO GO, WHICH IS THE GARDENS.

THE THIRD ONE IS GOING TO BE A COMMERCIAL WHICH WOULD NOT BE A DE BECAUSE ALL THEY WANT TO DO IS PAY THEIR FEES.

SO THERE WOULD BE A SEPARATE PROPORTIONAL, FAIR SHARE AGREEMENT.

ALL THEY WANT TO DO IS PAY THE ROAD FEES, GET IT DONE.

SO THEY WANT TO SPEND A BLANK CHECK.

THEY'RE ALL APPROVING AND AGREEING TO THEIR FAIR SHARES WITH THE PROPORTIONATE, FAIR SHARE THAT CAME OUT OF THOSE STUDIES.

THIS ONE, WE'RE IN A BETTER SHAPE.

THIS ONE, THERE IS NO GAP CATCHING IT RIGHT ALL THE TIME.

WE JUST NEED TO HAVE A MODEL FOR THE FUTURE.

SO FOR OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING PROCESSED FOR APPROVAL, ARE THOSE GOING TO BE ON HOLD UNTIL YOU GET THIS MODEL DONE OR ARE WE GOING INTO THESE AGREEMENTS? HOLD ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET THESE THINGS MOVING AS FAST AS I CAN.

I JUMPED ON THIS, GOT OUR CONSULTANTS.

I'M GOING TO TAKE IT TO THE JULY 7TH BEST I CAN RIGHT NOW.

THE WORST THING RIGHT NOW IS I'M WAITING FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY TO APPROVE THE FUNDING.

THAT'S THE ONLY MECHANISM. I ALREADY GOT THE TWO PROPOSALS FROM THE CONSULTANTS.

SO IF SHE GIVES ME THE GREEN TO GO, IT WILL GO FOR THE JULY 7TH COUNCIL MEETING THEIR APPROVAL.

AND SO AFTER THAT, THEN I'LL GET THE CONSULTANTS TO NOTICE THE PROCEDURE OR NOT SO MUCH TO PUT IT ON HOLD, BUT THE SAME WAY HOW YOU ALL WERE ABLE TO PROACTIVELY DO THAT PROPORTIONATELY. YOU KNOW, THE FAIR SHARE AGREEMENT, ARE YOU ALL ABLE TO DO THAT OR IMPLEMENT THAT WITH THE PROJECTS OR THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCESS? AGAIN, BECAUSE THIS AREA HAD A MODEL ALREADY DEVELOPED WITH THAT BREAKDOWN THAT HELPED US OUT.

NORTHWEST DOESN'T HAVE THAT.

AND THEN THE SOUTHWEST HERE, I'M GOING TO HAVE A FUTURE MODEL THAT FORWARD FROM THIS POINT ON.

AS YOU SEE THE VILLAGES AND ALL THESE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS COMING IN, I NEED TO HAVE A REGIONAL MODEL THAT I CAN USE AND KEEP ADDING MORE TO IT INSTEAD OF DOING IT PIECEMEAL.

ON THIS SIDE, THE SOUTHEAST, I THINK WE'RE AT THE RIGHT POINT.

NORTHWEST. I MEAN, AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST A COUPLE OF YEARS.

IT'S NOT REALLY THE POINT WHERE WE MISSED THE BOAT AND THERE'S A HUGE GAP.

THERE MAY BE A GAP, BUT IT'S NOT THAT LARGE BECAUSE IT IS.

AND WHEN I CAME HERE IN 2018, THERE WASN'T A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT HAPPENING.

JUST JUMPED IN. 2019, 2020.

FOLLOW UP COUNTER TO THAT LAST COUNCIL MEETING, THE CITY COUNCIL PUT A MORATORIUM ON ANY LARGE PROJECTS UNTIL DECEMBER.

WHAT'S YOUR INTERPRETATION OF THAT? I THINK THEY'RE LOOKING AND THEY BROUGHT ME UP TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.

WE'RE GOING TO TRAFFIC. THEY WANT THIS THING TO MOVE FORWARD AND I'M GOING TO DO THE BEST I CAN.

I BELIEVE THEY JUST WANTED TO SEE THE NUMBERS MORE THEY'RE SEEING.

TRAFFIC IS A HUGE ISSUE AS DEVELOPMENTS ARE GETTING APPROVED.

AND I BELIEVE THEY UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF ROADWAYS ARE PROBABLY GETTING CLOSE TO DEFICIENCY CAPACITY.

SO THIS IS TRYING TO TAP ON THE BRAKES.

SO WHAT DOES WHAT ARE LARGE PROJECTS DESCRIBED AS? I BELIEVE LARGE PROJECTS WOULD BE PWDS ANY LARGE FEATURE PODS THAT GENERATE LARGE, LARGE AMOUNTS OF TRIPS.

I THINK ANY SMALL COMMERCIAL, ANY SMALL RESIDENTIAL, ANY SMALL DEVELOPMENTS, I THINK ARE STILL UNDER THE RADAR.

BUT AGAIN, THE WAY I LOOK AT TRIPS IS TRIPS.

SO I'VE DONE ENOUGH TRIP ANALYSIS.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS MODEL OR WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS YOU GOING TO LET THE WALMART SNEAK THROUGH AND THEN THE PORK TACO BILL AS IT COMES IN, IT DOES VERY LITTLE PASS BY TRIPS. IT SLAMMED WITH THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS THEN.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO TRY TO AVOID.

IT NEEDS TO BE FAIR SHARE FOR EVERYBODY.

UNLESS THE CITY HAS A BETTER UNDERSTANDING, A TOOL LIKE A REAL MODEL THAT PROJECTS OUT, JUST LIKE CHRIS LITTLE HAS HIS UTILITY MODELS TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH WATER AND SEWER HE NEEDS. WE NEED TO HAVE THIS TRAFFIC MODEL.

AND TIMES WHEN WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF GROWTH, IT'S NOT VERY.

COST EFFECTIVE TO HAVE THAT BECAUSE IT'S A VERY EXPENSIVE MODEL, YOU NEED TO HAVE VERY TRAINED.

I MEAN, IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE MY YOUNGER DAYS ARE IN CALL THE TRANSPLANT MODEL.

CURRENT MODEL HERE IS A CENTRAL FLORIDA REGIONAL PLANNING MODEL, WHICH IS A Q MODEL.

I COULDN'T EVEN START. I MEAN, IT'S SO OUT THERE IN LEFT FIELD.

YOU NEED AN EXPERT TO RUN THOSE MODELS.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO HIRE CONSULTANTS.

I WONDER IF REQUESTING CLARIFICATION OF THAT MATTERS JUST BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THAT COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE A DEVELOPER COME UP AND HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.

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WHAT DEFINES A LARGE PROJECT AND WHAT DOESN'T? AGAIN, THAT COULD BE MORE OF A GROWTH MANAGEMENT.

IN OTHER, IT'S GOT TO BE VETTED OUT TO THAT PROCESS.

HAD A QUESTION. I JUST FIGURED REFRESH MY MEMORY HERE.

THREE FOLKS DEVELOPMENT.

THAT'S THE POPPY RV PARK CAMPGROUND, CORRECT? OKAY. I THOUGHT IT WAS TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

THAT'S THAT ONE. THAT'S IT'S A SMALL IT'S IT'S AN RV, BUT IT'S A I CALL THEM THE CLASS ONE.

WHEN YOU BUY MOTORHOMES, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN BUY WHAT THEY CALL A CLASS A LIKE $1,000,000, THE MILLION DOLLAR RVS, NOT THE ONES YOU TOLD WITH THE TRUCK.

NOTHING AGAINST IT. BUT I'M SAYING THEY'RE THE MILLION DOLLAR RVS AND THEY BUY.

I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF THEM.

AND DOWN SOUTH WHERE THEY'RE EXECUTIVE OR CLASS A RV PARKS AND LITERALLY FOR THE RICH BECAUSE THEY'RE DRIVING THESE MOTORHOMES AND THE CAMPSITES, THE CAMPSITES ARE THEY'RE NICE.

YEAH. SHELTERS HAVE A LITTLE BARBECUE PIT, BUT IT'S REALLY IT'S NOT A CAMPGROUND.

I MEAN, IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE TO A CAMPGROUND.

ALMOST LIKE LIKE A HIGH END APARTMENT COMPLEX.

YOU'RE LIVING OUT OF YOUR A CLASS A LUXURY MOTOR HOME AND.

CAMPGROUNDS ARE NICE, EXTREMELY NICE.

CAMPSITES ARE SEPARATE FROM THE PARK.

THE ONES THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT, THE ONES THAT'S BEEN OF THREE FORKS, IS GOING TO BE ONE OF THOSE CLASS A RV PARK.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF THE CITIES ALSO PLANNING TO BUILD ONE INSIDE FRED.

POPPY PARK. CORRECT.

FRED, POPPY PARK IS KIND OF LIKE A CAVE.

YOU KNOW, IT'S SO THIS IS TWO SEPARATE.

THIS WOULD BE SEPARATE. WELL, THAT'S WHAT I HAD ASKED.

YEAH. YOU KNOW, FRED, POPPY, THEY'RE LOOKING INTO BUILDING A STANDARD CAMPGROUND THAT HAS LIKE A CAVE.

YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO HAVE AN AREA TO PULL INTO THEY AND HAVE SOME MAYBE SOME SOME FEATURES THERE.

WHAT I'M SAYING LIKE RESTROOMS AND WATER AND STUFF.

BUT IT'S GOING TO BE MORE YOU PULL YOUR TRAILER IN, THERE'S A PICNIC TABLE THERE, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S A PULL OUT.

AND MAYBE HE'S LOOKING AT HAVING SOME CONNECTIONS, LIKE DOING WATER.

I DON'T KNOW. YOU KNOW, BUT I KNOW FOR SURE THAT THE CLASS A ONE HAS LIKE IT'S GOT LIKE ASPHALT OR CONCRETE.

IT'S GOT PAVERS, FOUNTAINS.

YEAH, IT'S GOT IN THE SHRUBS.

SO YOU CAN'T SEE YOUR NEIGHBORS.

I MEAN, EACH ONE HAS A VIEW.

I MEAN I MEAN, I MEAN, THEY HAVE LIKE NOT JUST CAMPFIRES.

THEY HAVE LIKE A KITCHEN THERE WITH A BARBECUE KIT AND MICROWAVE AND REFRIGERATOR.

LITERALLY. IT'S LIKE IT'S LIKE CLASS.

IT'S LIKE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX.

YOU GO AND THEY SUPPLY IT WITH FOOD.

SO, YOU KNOW, YOU ORDER YOUR FOOD AND THEY'LL HAVE IT IN THERE READY FOR YOU TO USE.

AND THEY HAVE CLEANING SERVICES.

SO IT'S IT'S A TOP END FOR RV PARK.

YES. THAT'S THE ONE.

THAT'S THREE FORKS.

THE ONE THAT FRED'S DOING THAT HE'D SAY IS LIKE A CAKE.

YOU KNOW, YOU DRIVE IT, AND THESE TWO ARE GOING TO BE SIDE BY SIDE.

NO, THEY'RE ACROSS THE STREET.

POPPY IS ON THE NORTH SIDE.

TO ME, IT WOULD BE SIDE BY SIDE.

BUT MY MY THING IS, IS THIS THREE FOLKS DEVELOPMENT? THIS PRIOR TO THE POPPY CAMPGROUND BEING DISCUSSED OR DID THEY COME IN AFTER THE FACT? I THINK THEY CAME IN AFTER THE FACT, BUT I THINK THEY'RE TRYING TO TARGET A SEPARATE MARKET.

YOU KNOW, IT'S GOOD FOR THEM.

AGAIN, THEY'RE TRYING TO TARGET THE HIRE AND SAY THE CLASS A RVS.

FRED'S COULD TAKE THAT. BUT IF YOU HAVE A CLASS, SAY YOU HAVE A PORTION.

NOT GOING TO DRIVE IT IN THE DIRT, YOU KNOW.

PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE CLASSES.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WANT TO DRIVE THEIR RVS, THEIR LUXURY RV.

THEY DON'T WANT TO DAMAGE.

MINE, TOO. BUT LAST QUESTION.

AND IT'S ALSO GOING TO HAVE A COMMERCIAL SPACE THERE AS WELL.

YES, THERE IS COMMERCIAL SPACE ALONG MALABAR ROAD AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE MULTIFAMILY ALONG ALONG THE.

KIND OF LIKE THE BACK SIDE, AND THEY'RE GOING TO CREATE A NEW CONNECTION AND THEY WILL DO A SMALL EXTENSION OF ST JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY.

THREE FORKS, AS PART OF THEIR PROJECT, WILL EXTEND SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY FOR ABOUT 9000 FEET SO THEY CAN HAVE A DRIVEWAY CONNECTION.

SO THAT WOULD ALSO GIVE THE STELLA KASEYA ANOTHER ACCESS POINT AS WELL.

SO THAT'LL HELP THEM AS WELL.

HAVE NOW NOT COMING ON TO OUR ROAD, BUT COME ON TO ST JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY.

THEN THEY GO STRAIGHT UP.

THAT'LL BE A WHOLE NEW.

THAT'LL TURN ST JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY FROM A THREE WAY SIGNAL TO A FOUR WASTE SINGLE.

MEANING WE'RE WORKING ON THAT, TOO.

WE'RE WORKING ON THAT ONE, TOO.

OKAY. THANK YOU. WESTON COMMERCIAL WISE.

I KNOW THAT THESE ARE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE COMING IN, OUR DEVELOPERS, RATHER, THAT ARE BRINGING IN THE COMMERCIAL.

DOES THE CITY HAVE ANY FORM OF CONVERSATION WITH THEM THAT DETERMINES WHAT STORES OR WHAT'S COMING IN AS FAR AS THE COMMERCIAL GOES OR THEY HANDLE LIKE THEIR OWN LEASING? I THINK THEY HAVE WHEN THEY DO PRE APPS, THEY HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE.

APPLICANT. THAT'S A THAT'S REALLY MORE GROWTH MANAGEMENT WHEN WE GET INTO THE ENGINEERING AFTERWARDS, NUTS AND BOLTS.

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BUT I THINK THEY HAD THOSE EARLY DISCUSSIONS.

I'M NOT I'M NOT I'M NOT INTO THAT BECAUSE WE'RE STILL TRYING TO GET SOMEONE HERE FROM GROWTH MANAGEMENT AS FAR AS LIKE TO HAVE A PRESENTATION OR A CONVERSATION WITH THIS.

I KNOW, RIGHT? AND JUST TO HIGHLIGHT, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN ASKING, I WAS GOING TO BRING IT UP, BUT OUR UTILITY DIRECTOR MADE A PROMISE AT LEAST AUGUST TO SEPTEMBER, HE'LL HAVE SOMEONE HERE TO GIVE A PRESENTATION.

IT'S GREAT TO GIVE YOU A HEADS UP.

THE QUESTIONS. NOT.

THE SECOND NEW BUSINESS.

NUMBER TWO. BEAT ON ROAD PAVING AND PIPE PLACEMENTS.

OPEN. ALL RIGHT.

AGAIN, THANK YOU, CHAIR AND BOARD MEMBERS, ALMOST A SIMILAR PRESENTATION THAT I GAVE TO THE CITY COUNCIL, BUT SLIGHTLY CLEANED UP AND UPDATED WITH SOME MORE INFORMATION.

SO I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT AGAIN OUR ROAD PAVING PROGRAM.

THE PHOTOGRAPHS SHOWN HERE ARE PAVING IN UNIT 20.

I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU OVERALL, THE WHOLE PROGRAM AGAIN, IS FIVE PHASES, EIGHT YEARS.

AND HERE'S WHAT'S SHOWN IN TERMS OF THE FIVE PHASES AND THE TOTAL MILES.

AND AGAIN, THE TOTAL MILES FOR THE BOND WAS 791 MILES.

THAT IS NOT THE TOTAL MILES OF ROADS WE HAVE IN THE CITY.

WE HAVE MORE LIKE SIX, 860 MILES.

AGAIN, THE REASON WHY WE'RE NOT TOUCHING THE COMPOUND, WHICH IS UNITS 51, 52 AND 53.

THOSE ARE EXCLUDED FROM THE ORIGINAL BOND PROCESS.

SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE DON'T HAVE THE TOTAL MILES.

BUT 791, WHICH WAS THE APPROVED WITH THE ROAD BOND.

JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A HIGHLIGHT IN TERMS OF PAYMENT TREATMENTS THAT WE HAVE ACCEPTED IN THE CITY CURRENTLY.

RIGHT NOW, THE BASIC ONE IS THE MILL AND PAY.

WE MILL THE ROADWAY AND WE PAY IT BACK EITHER AN INCH AND A HALF ON LOCAL STREETS, TWO INCHES ON COLLECTOR STREETS.

WE DO THIN LIFT OVERLAYS, WHICH RIGHT NOW IS ABOUT BETWEEN AN INCH, AN INCH AND A HALF.

THAT MEANS WE JUST LAY THE ASPHALT RIGHT ON TOP OF THE ROADWAY.

WE ARE LOOKING AT A MORE COST EFFECTIVE, MAYBE A LESSER THREE QUARTER OVERLAY, IF THAT IS LOOKING AT EVEN SMALLER THAN THAT, MAYBE A HALF INCH.

AGAIN, THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE ESCALATING COSTS, COST MATERIALS AND THEN TECHNOLOGY IS EXPANDING IN TERMS OF FINDING AGGREGATE AND THEN BETTER WHAT THEY CALL THE POLYMER AND BETTER BINDER MIXES THE POLYMERS IS WHAT MAKES THE ASPHALT BIND IN STRENGTH.

TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, MOST FOR EXAMPLE, MOST PARKING LOTS OR SMALL DEVELOPMENTS, YOU KNOW, THEY USE LIKE APOLLO OR MEXICAN, LIKE A 48 OR 52 OR 56.

WE USE WHAT USES WE USE.

OUR POLYMER IS 76 DASH 22.

SO THAT'S HIGHEST IN POLYMER MIX.

YOU GET A 78, BUT I TRY TO GO WITH THE HIGHEST IT GIVES US LONGEVITY GIVES US THAT 20 YEAR LEASE BECAUSE THIS IS A NICE SMOOTH SURFACE, BUT THAT'S WHAT FTI IS LOOKING AT, NOT EVEN A THINNER.

SO THAT WOULD BE MORE COST EFFECTIVE.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS WELL.

THE MORE DETAILED FULL DEPTH RECOGNITION IS WHERE YOU PULVERIZE THE EXISTING ASPHALT WITH THE BASE MATERIAL.

WE THROW IN A LITTLE BIT OF CEMENT, WE THROW IN A LITTLE BIT OF EMULSION THAT'S BASED ON OUR GEOTECHNICAL DESIGN.

AND THEN WE THEN WE COMPACT IT AS A NEW BASE MATERIAL AND THEN WE PUT IT ON TYPICALLY AT EITHER HALF OR TWO INCHES OF ASPHALT.

THAT'S OUR PROCESS.

THE LAST ONE, WHICH WE HAVEN'T REALLY GONE INTO MUCH, WHICH WOULD BE A FULL RECONSTRUCTION WHERE WE COULDN'T DO THE AFTER YOU TAKE OUT ALL THE MATERIAL AND THEN WE START FROM SCRATCH, WE STABILIZE THE SUB BASE MATERIAL, WE BRING IT EITHER EIGHT INCHES OR TEN INCHES BASED ON THE TYPE OF ROADWAY.

AND THEN WE PUT A TWO INCH ASPHALT ON TOP OF THAT.

THAT'S A FULL RECONSTRUCTION.

THAT'S THE HIGHEST COST, BASICALLY, BECAUSE IT'S BUILDING A WHOLE NEW ROAD.

TYPICALLY, WHAT WE DO BECAUSE I HATE TO SAY IT BECAUSE PALM BAY IS A HIGH WATER WATER TABLE AREA, WE'RE FORCED TO GO WITH THE FULL DEPTH BECAUSE I NEED THE CEMENT I CAN'T BUILD.

AND WHEN YOU HAVE WATER TABLES THAT ARE HIGH, YOU CAN'T BUILD A TYPICAL ROADWAY WHERE IT HAS LIME BASED.

YOU CAN PACK IT DOWN, IT PACK DOWN BECAUSE OF THE WATER.

SO WE'RE STUCK A LOT OF TIMES USING FDR BECAUSE OF THE CEMENT.

THE EFFECT OF THAT IS WE GET THEY CALL REFLECTIVE CRACKING, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE CAN DO IT AND BUILD A ROAD WITHIN ORDER TABLES.

JUST KIND OF LIKE THE TREATMENTS WE HAVE STATUS OR A ROAD PROGRAM.

JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A NUTSHELL.

WE'RE RIGHT NOW ABOUT 34%.

THIS IS A FEW WEEKS AGO.

WE'RE PROBABLY MORE LIKE 35% NOW BECAUSE RANGERS ARE WORKING AWAY IN UNIT 20.

WE COMPLETED ALL PHASE ONE.

YAY, 143 MILES.

PHASE TWO, WE'RE ABOUT 60%, COMPLETE WITH ABOUT 128 MILES COMPLETED.

PHASE TWO, RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN UNIT 20.

WE HAVE ABOUT 50% OF ALL THE PAVING COMPLETED MOVING ALONG.

SOON AFTER THAT, THEY'LL JUMP INTO 48.

WE CURRENTLY THE NEXT ONE TO BE ADVERTISED AS A ROAD PROJECT, WHAT I CALL THE KINECT.

MALABAR ROAD. YOU SHOULD BE FROM BABCOCK ALL THE WAY TO US ONE.

THAT'S THE LAST MAJOR CORRIDOR IN THAT SECTION, WHAT WE CALL THE NORTHEAST SECTION.

WE STILL HAVE A FEW MORE OF THE UNITS, BUT THAT'S THE MAJOR ROADWAY.

PHASE 348 WAS AWARDED THIS RANGER.

THEY'RE FINISHING UP UNIT 20 AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO START IN ABOUT JULY 11TH.

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I GOT THE CONFIRMATION.

IT WILL START TO. THE REASON WHY THIS HAS BEEN DELAYED IS BECAUSE RANGER IS UNABLE TO GET CEMENT.

THERE'S A HUGE CEMENT SHORTAGE RIGHT NOW AND I'VE CHECKED WITH ALL CONTRACTORS AND ACTUALLY CONTACTED THE COMPANY AS WELL.

THERE WAS A VERY LIMITED SUPPLY OF CEMENT AND A LOT OF IT'S GOING TO.

SO ROAD CONSTRUCTION AND THESE CONTRACTORS ARE HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME LOCKING IN CEMENT.

AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE'RE TRYING TO HELP RANGER, BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN DOING A GREAT JOB.

KIND OF PUSHED THEM OUT. BUT THEY HAVE COMMITTED RIGHT NOW TO START JULY 11TH.

UNIT 48 PAVING OPERATIONS.

WE'LL BE CLOSING IN 48.

YEAH. WE'LL BE CLOSING AMAZON FOR A WHILE.

WE'LL LET YOU GUYS KNOW WHEN WE START THAT.

THAT'LL BE ONE OF THE LAST PROJECT THEY WANT TO DO.

BUT BECAUSE THAT'S ALL FDR.

AND THAT'LL BE FROM FRED LEE PARK ALL THE WAY DOWN TO ALMOST TO MALABAR, WHICH IS THAT ONE STREET CALLED FAIRHAVEN.

SO. BUT THE REASON WHY WE'RE NOT DOING THAT LAST PIECES, BECAUSE I HAVE ANOTHER PROJECT I HAVE BEEN DESIGNED IN-HOUSE IS TO DO THE FULL INTERSECTION.

NOW THE INTERSECTION OF EMERSON AND MALABAR IS DEFICIENT.

I NEED SOME ADDITIONAL LEFT TURN LANES AND RIGHT TURN LANES AND THEN I WANT TO GET RID OF THOSE SPAN WIRES AND PUT IN POLES AND MASS TIMES AND JUST MAKE THAT INTERSECTION NICE.

I'M GOING TO TIE THAT IN WITH WHEN WE REDO THE ENTIRE MALABAR SECTION BECAUSE I'M STILL WORKING ON THE DRAINAGE PIPES.

I'M GOING TO GO OUT THERE JULY 11TH.

I'M HOPING TO SCHEDULE AN INSPECTION WITH OUR CONTRACTORS.

I'M GOING TO SHUT DOWN A FEW LANES AND I'M BASICALLY GOING TO GO INTO THE HOLE, INTO THE PIPES AND INSPECT OUR PIPES.

HOPEFULLY EVERYTHING LOOKS GOOD, THEN WE'LL DO THE REST.

REMEMBER, I ONLY DID 1000 FEET.

I WANT TO DO THE REST OF MALABAR ROAD AND THEN I CAN PAVE THE WHOLE ROAD.

SO, ALISON, WE'VE BEEN WAITING. REMEMBER, THIS IS THE EIGHTH STAY AT THE.

ORIGINAL COUNTY DRAINAGE PIPES, A 72 INCH DUAL AND THEIR HUGE SEVEN X STAND YOU STANDING GAVE ME A TOUCH OF STEALING OF THE PIPE.

SO THAT'S THAT'S THE REASON WHY THIS IS GOING TO BE TIED TO THAT PROJECT.

WE'VE GOT A LOT MORE PROJECTS WORKING ON BE HEADS UP, CONTINUE BACK WITH THE ROAD PROJECTS AGAIN.

YOU KNOW, WE CURRENTLY HAVE ADVERTISEMENT NOW EMERSON DRIVE FROM AMADOR, WHICH IS JUST BY THE SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY, THE JUPITER THAT OPENS UP THAT CLOSES TOMORROW, OPEN BIDS ON WEDNESDAY.

SO THAT'S A NEW ONE. READY TO GO UNIT PHASE THREE UNITS, 1314 IS ALREADY DESIGNED.

WE'RE GOING TO ADD, MADAM OSMOSIS.

JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HEARS THIS.

WE'RE GOING TO ADD MADDEN OSMOSIS TO UNITS 13 OR 14 BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WAS COMMITTED AND APPROVED BY COUNCIL.

THE REASON WHY IT WASN'T PART OF UNIT 30 IS BECAUSE THAT DIDN'T HAVE THE GEOTECHNICAL.

WE HAD A CHANGE IN GEOTECHNICAL.

SINCE THAT TIME, WE'VE HAD A DIFFICULT TIME GETTING NEW PERSONS AND NEW VEHICLES TO KIND OF GIVE US THE MIXES, BUT WE'RE GETTING THERE NOW, SO WE SHOULD HOPEFULLY HAVE THAT READY TO GO. BUT THEY'LL BE TIED TO UNITS 13 AND 14, PHASE FOUR.

OUR UNITS ARE SCHEDULED AGAIN, WHICH IS 644, 45, 50, 55.

ALL OF THEM HAVE BEEN DESIGNED ALMOST CLOSE TO 100 MILES OF ROADWAY.

WE'RE HOLDING OFF AND REEVALUATING THOSE COSTS BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE ESCALATING ASPHALT AND CONSTRUCTION COSTS, AS I OPEN BIDS UP AND I GET NEW BIDS AND NEW DOLLARS, WILL THEN REEVALUATE FUTURE ENGINEERING COSTS.

JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THE CURRENT COST THAT I KNOW OF RIGHT NOW IN THE FIELD FOR ASPHALT IS ABOUT 180.

I'VE HEARD AS HIGH AS $300 A TON.

SO EITHER 180 TO $200 A TON.

THE CURRENT PRICE WE HAVE RIGHT NOW FOR THE BISBEE OPEN FOR UNIT 30 WAS $163 A TON.

OUR CONTRACTORS ARE STAYING WITH US, NOT RAISING THEIR PRICES LIKE EVERYWHERE ELSE.

THEY KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK THEY KNOW BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO TRY TO BE COMPETITIVE.

SO OUR LAST BID FOR UNITS 38 COST PER TON WAS $163 A TON.

THAT SHOCKED ME. I KNOW FOR A FACT BACK THERE IT'S BEEN $200 A TON, EVEN $300 A TON IN OTHER PLACES.

I THINK IN THE LAST MEETING YOU SAY THAT THEY WERE BELOW EVERYBODY ELSE.

THEY WERE STICKING WITH US AND IT WAS ONLY ABOUT 120, 163.

THE ORIGINAL COST IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE ORIGINAL COST WAS JUST UNDER 100 WHEN WE STARTED THE PROGRAM.

THEN IT AVERAGED OUT TO ABOUT $120 A TON.

THAT STAYED FOR QUITE A LONG TIME.

IT SLOWLY STARTED CREEPING UP AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS, IT JUMPED.

SO IT'S CURRENT PRICE IS ABOUT $160 A TON.

I KNOW FOR A FACT THE STREET FROM RANGE IS TELLING ME RIGHT NOW THEY CHARGE 180 TO $200 A TON.

I'VE HAD OTHER ENGINEERS TELLING ME FOR SMALL PARKING, LOTS OF SMALL PROJECTS, $300 A TON.

I JUST KNOW FOR UNIT 30, WHICH WE OPENED UP TWO WEEKS AGO, IT WAS $163 A TON.

I'LL LET YOU KNOW. TWO DAYS.

WHAT, EMERSON? BETWEEN AMADOR AND JUPITER COMES OUT TO BE.

I'M HOPING WE GET A GOOD CONTRACT HERE, BUT.

BUT I COULD TELL THE CONTRACTORS WHO ARE VERY COMPETITIVE, THEY'RE ALL WITHIN THAT SAME RANGE.

NOBODY'S JUMPING UP AND CHARGING US THE HIGH END, WHICH I'VE SEEN IN OTHER CITIES AND OTHER COUNTIES.

WE HAVE ONLY SIX CONTRACTORS HAVE BEEN CONTINUALLY BEING THE SAME AUDITORS.

SO THEY UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE ANOTHER FOUR YEARS OF ROAD PAVING.

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THEY'RE STAYING COMPETITIVE.

BUT YOU HIGHLIGHT. SO THAT'S THE YEAR TO 2020.

A MAJORITY OF ALL OF THIS IS JUST BASICALLY OVERLAYS RIGHT NOW.

THEY'LL SOON GO INTO MIDDLE AND PAVE AND THEN THEY HAVE A SMALL PIECE OF OF JUPITER THAT THEY'LL DO.

SO THAT'D BE UNIT 20.

AGAIN, THIS IS THE WHOLE BREAKDOWN OF ALL THE PROJECTS, WHAT'S SHOWN IN KIND OF LIKE THE YELLOW AND THE KIND OF LIKE THE PINKISH COLOR IN THE MIDDLE, YOU CAN SEE THE UNITS 2048, THOSE ARE ALREADY OUT. THE CONSTRUCTION 30, WE JUST OPENED THE BID AND THEN EMERSON SAINT JOHN'S WAS AMADOR AMADOR TO.

YEAH. JUST A MINUTE. WE'LL OPEN THAT BED ON WEDNESDAY, SO I'LL HAVE ESTIMATES.

BUT THOSE ARE THE THOSE ARE THE ENGINEER'S ESTIMATES BELOW, ABOVE ALL THE REAL PROJECTS COMPLETED.

SO THAT JUST GIVES YOU A WHOLE NUTSHELL.

WHAT'S LEFT IS WHAT'S SHOWN HERE.

AND THIS IS WHAT'S LEFT OF UNITS.

ONE, TWO, THREE.

I HAVEN'T ADDED UNIT FOUR ON HERE.

UNIT FOUR IS WHAT WE SHOWED BEFORE.

AGAIN, THOSE UNITS 644, 45, 50, 55 TOTALING THIS ONE.

WAS ONE OF THE LOWEST ONES, EVEN THOUGH WITH THE TOTAL MILES CLOSE TO 96 MILES, WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT ABOUT $1.13 MILLION.

AND AGAIN, BECAUSE AS WE GET TOWARDS THE END OF THESE UNITS, UNITS FOUR IN UNITS FIVE BUDGET OF THE PIECES OF THOSE ROADWAYS ARE IN GOOD SHAPE.

THE MAJORITY OF THOSE. WE'RE LOOKING AT MAYBE LIKE THAT THIN OVERLAY THE FR IS GOING AWAY WHICH ARE THE HIGHER COSTS.

SO THAT'S THAT'S THE GOOD NEWS.

HOWEVER, WE HAVE YOUR PHASE FIVE, WHICH HAS THE MOST UNITS AT THE END.

WE HAVE JUST COMPLETED THE PAVEMENT ASSESSMENT UNIT 16.

SO ONLY DONE ONE UNIT OF ALL THE REMAINING UNITS.

WE DO NEED TO IDENTIFY BETTER TREATMENTS.

WE'RE GOING TO USE MICRO SURFACING, THINNER LIFT.

MAYBE SOME REDUCTIONS IN FIGURES IN UNIT 49, WE DON'T KNOW.

BUT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THIS BACK TO COUNCIL.

AND BEFORE I TAKE IT BACK TO COUNCIL, I'LL GIVE YOU A PRESENTATION WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT FOUR UNIT.

I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A SNAPSHOT OF OUR FINANCIAL PROJECTION COMPLETED SO FAR ABOUT $71 MILLION EACH.

ESTIMATED PROJECTS TO BE COMPLETED ABOUT $98 MILLION OR 98.6.

THAT NEEDS A TOTAL EXPENDITURE OF $169 MILLION, OR ABOUT $170 MILLION.

SO THE DIFFERENCE WE'RE LOOKING AT IS 19.8.

TODAY. CORRECT.

I'M USING TODAY'S DOLLARS.

AND JUST REMIND US LAST MEETING.

FOR THE MARCH MEETING. WHEN YOU GAVE US AN UPDATE WHAT YOU SAID, WE WERE ONLY AT ABOUT $2 MILLION BEHIND.

YEAH. AGAIN, REMEMBER THE $2 MILLION IN THE PRESENTATION I GAVE WHEN I GAVE IT TO COUNCIL TWO IS BECAUSE I TOOK OUT 49.

IF YOU TAKE OUT 49, WHICH IS ABOUT $60 MILLION, IS IT THAT MUCH? THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION.

YEAH. THEN YOU SEE 18 SO YOU KNOW, 1960 RIGHT THERE, 2 MILLION, $2 MILLION, JUST SLIGHTLY INCREASE BECAUSE I HAD NEW RAW NUMBERS, BUT I'M STILL IN THE SAME BALLPARK.

THE ESTIMATE I GAVE COUNCIL WAS IF YOU TOOK OUT 49 AND WE ALREADY DO.

MADDEN AND OSMOSIS, BUT YOU DON'T DO 49, YOU SAVE YOURSELF A GOOD $16 MILLION OR EVEN MORE.

I MEAN, AGAIN, BECAUSE THE REASON WHY I SAY THIS IS BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY 100 HOMES.

THE DAUGHTER OF THE PEOPLE IN THE SOUTHERN PORTION DON'T WANT IT PAID.

IT WAS BAKED.

IT CAME IN, SAY WE DON'T WANT TO REPAVE.

AND THEN THE REMAINING STREETS, THERE ARE SOME STREETS IN THE NORTHERN HALF OF NORTH OF BOMBARDIER THAT HAVE THOSE.

THERE'S NOT EVEN ANY HOMES AND HALF THE STREETS.

UNLESS YOU'VE GONE OUT THERE, YOU CAN'T DRIVE ON THOSE ROADS.

I MEAN, LITERALLY, THE ROADS ARE SO BAD, EVEN WITH FOUR WHEEL DRIVE, YOU CAN'T GET THERE BECAUSE THE PEPPER TREES HAVE GOTTEN SO THICK YOU CAN'T DRIVE THERE.

I MEAN, THE LAST TIME I WENT UP THERE, I COULDN'T GET THE TRUCK THROUGH.

AND THEN IF YOU DID GET THROUGH, IT'S I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT GARBAGE.

I'M TALKING ABOUT DEBRIS.

I'M TALKING ABOUT LIKE REFRIGERATORS AND BOATS AND CARS.

AND I MEAN I MEAN I MEAN, YOU GO IN LIKE A JUNKYARD.

YOU JUST KIND OF GO, WHOA, WHAT IS ALL THIS STUFF BACK HERE? I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO TAKE A SIGNIFICANT COST TO GET ALL THAT MATERIAL OUT OF THERE, BECAUSE AS YOU OPEN THE ROADS AND CLEAR THE ROADS, YOU'VE GOT TO GET RID OF IT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE ALL THAT JUNK.

HE'S BEEN DUMPING JUNK BACK THERE FROM THE BEGINNING OF TIME.

SO WITH ALL THOSE FACTORS INVOLVED.

IT'LL BE A CHALLENGE FOR ROSE TO HAVE NOBODY LIVING ON HIM.

AND AS YOU SEE HERE, THERE'S A 19.8 DEFICIT.

I PREFER WE MAKE SURE THAT PHASE FIVE, WHICH IS MAJORITY OF THE CENTER PART OF THE CITY, WHICH IS LIKE LAMAR AND THAT AREA, THAT'S IT.

AND THAT'S THE THAT'S PHASE FIVE.

THE MAJORITY OF THE CITY LIVES RIGHT NOW.

I THINK THOSE PEOPLE BE VOCAL.

YOU KNOW, I HATE TO SAY GOING BACK AND SEE ALL THE PINK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE HEART OF THE CITY.

AND THAT'S THAT'S THE CONSENSUS, OF COURSE, AROUND THE CITY IS THAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF MONEY AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET OUR ROADS.

NOW, YOU KNOW, 49 AGAIN, WHAT DOES THAT DO?

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I KNOW MAYBE YOU CAN'T ANSWER THIS, BUT I KNOW THE COUNCIL TALKS A LOT ABOUT POLICE AND FIRE.

WHAT DOES THAT DO TO RESPONSE TIMES? GOING OUT THAT WAY IF THEY HAD TO.

WELL, THEY PROBABLY EVEN DO.

I CAN'T SPEAK FOR POLICE AND FIRE, BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE STATIONED DOWN.

THERE IS NOT THE BEST IF YOU CALL IT A STATION.

I REMEMBER I USED TO WORK.

I WAS A FIREFIGHTER. SO I RESPECT FIREMEN.

BUT I MEAN I MEAN, I THOUGHT WE HAD IT BAD WHEN I WAS A FIREFIGHTER BECAUSE WE HAD A FEW STATIONS THAT WERE.

WE THERE WAS A HOUSE THAT CONVERTED TO A FIRE STATION, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S STILL A HOUSE.

IT WAS STRUCTURE. WHAT THE HECK? I MEAN, I SEE THESE TRAILERS AND I KIND OF GO, HOLY MOLY.

YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S BEEN 25 YEARS WHEN BACK WHEN I WAS A FIREFIGHTER AND I CAN'T IMAGINE LIVING IN A TRAILER.

I MEAN, I WAS COMPLAINING ABOUT LIVING IN A RESIDENTIAL HOUSE, BUT THEY FIXED IT UP.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT HAD A GARAGE, YOU KNOW, LIKE A FIRE STATION.

BILL IS BASICALLY SOMEONE'S HOUSE.

THEY CONVERTED TO A FIRE STATION.

THEY'VE GOT A CHEAP. THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE THAT.

AND SO THAT'S THAT'S THE STATION WHERE BILL CHICKEN IS.

YOU KNOW THAT STATION.

SO THEIR RESPONSE TIME, I THINK THEY'RE PRETTY LIMITED ALREADY BECAUSE THEY HAVE ALREADY ENOUGH OF 30 AND 31 AND 32, 31 AND 32 HAS, I THINK DOUBLE OR TRIPLE THEM HOUSING THAT AREA.

WHEN I FIRST CAME OUT HERE, YOU KNOW, THAT LUNAR SURFACE, IT WAS MAYBE A HOUSE EVERY OTHER, MAYBE FIVE STREETS.

TODAY, YOU CAN'T FIND A STREET IN 31 OR 32 THAT DOESN'T HAVE A DOZEN HOMES ALREADY BUILT ON IT.

SO THAT'S INCREASED POLICE AND FIRE IN THAT AREA.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S THE FIRE STATION.

SO THAT RESTRICTS OUR SERVICES FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS.

THAT'S CORRECT. HIS NAME IS HORACE.

IT'S A SHARED PARAMEDIC UNIT WITH THE COUNTY.

AND IT'S ACTUALLY ON SCHOOL PROPERTY, TOO.

SO ON TOP OF THAT, IT'S NOT EVEN ON OUR PROPERTY.

JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU I MEAN, I THINK THE COUNCIL UNDERSTANDS THEIR REAL CONCERN ABOUT POLICE AND FIRE.

RESPONSE, TIMES POINTED OUT, WAS STRETCH IT OUT.

TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IF WE HAD TO BE, BECAUSE WHEN YOU BUILD ROADS, HOMES COME.

AND AS YOU SEE HERE IN THIS MAP, YOU CAN SEE ALL 49 COVERS, THE ENTIRE FROM 32 ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 30.

IT'S A LONG AREA.

IT'S GOT A LOT OF ROADS.

SO THAT'S A LOT. THAT'S A HUGE RESPONSE.

QUESTION. JUST HIGHLIGHT JUST THE TOP IN STORM WATER.

I JUST WANT TO THROW IN THE STONE MORTAR BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, GOT TO DO THE PIPES IN ADVANCE OF THE ROADWAYS.

EMERSON DRIVE AT 51.

YOU NO. THAT WAS CLOSE FOR SUCH A TREMENDOUS TIME.

SORRY. MY, MY COUNTERPART, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T MY PROJECT, BUT MY COUNTERPART HAD CHALLENGES.

SO BUT FINALLY OPEN TRACTOR JUST RECENTLY OPEN TO THAT WAS A BIG BOX.

AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, A TRACTOR WAS ONE OF THE ROADS THAT COUNCIL CLOSED PERMANENTLY AND THAT WE REOPENED.

AND SO THAT WAS ONE OF THOSE REMEMBER THAT FREEHOLD WATERBURY.

THE SPEED FEEDBACK THAT WAS REOPENED.

WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THE COUNTRY CLUB PILOTS.

THEY HAVE ANOTHER 50 DAYS TO CLOSE OUT THEIR PROJECT.

THEY'RE GETTING CLOSE. YEAH.

NORTHEAST CONNECT ROAD AREA THAT'S ALMOST ACTUALLY ALMOST COMPLETED OUR CONTRACTOR THAT WE HAVE THE HARBOR BOULEVARD AT THE 18.

THAT'S GOING TO I THINK THAT JUST OPENED BIDS AND THAT CAME IN UNDER SO THAT CONTRACT WILL BE STARTING CONSTRUCTION SOON.

FUTURE PIPE PROJECTS ARE UNITS 22 AND 30, WHICH IS 31.

IT'S THE SAME CONTRACTOR WHO WON THE PIPE, THE PAVING HE'S GOING TO DO HE'S GOING TO DO BOTH AT THE SAME TIME, KIND OF SCALE EVEN BETTER.

AND I KNOW FOR A FACT, OTHER UNITS I JUST APPROVED REVIEWED UNITS, 44 PIPES THAT HAS OVER 90 PIPES.

I KNOW THAT BECAUSE I JUST REVIEWED IT TODAY.

SO THAT'S GOING TO BE THE NEXT ONE READY TO HIT THE STREETS.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET ALL THESE PIPE PROJECTS OUT AS A PROJECT.

LAST ONE WE'RE WORKING ON, WHICH IS THE BIG PROJECT, IS WALDEN AT 342.

YOU GOT THE PERMIT? NOW WE NEED TO GET TO ST JOHN'S.

LET'S JUST GIVE YOU A SNAPSHOT OF ALL THE PIPE PROJECTS.

SO THERE'S TRYING TO STAY AHEAD OF THE ROAD PROJECT.

THESE PIPES CONTROLLED THE PAVING PROJECT.

NOT EVEN A UNIT THAT DOESN'T HAVE PIPES.

THAT'S CORRECT. SO.

SO THAT PRETTY MUCH COMPLETES MY PRESENTATION.

I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION.

THAT'S ACTUALLY SANFILIPPO.

THAT IS SANFILIPPO. I'M SERIOUS.

THAT'S A SOUTHERN PORTION OF SANFILIPPO.

IN BETWEEN UNITS 24 AND 25.

I'M GETTING THERE.

IT'S AMAZING. AS YOU MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE DOING THE WORK, YOU KNOW, MANY NOT SO HAPPY PEOPLE I HAVE TO DEAL WITH.

AND THEN SOON AFTER THIS, WHEN YOU SEE THIS PHOTOGRAPH, YOU GET ALL THESE PEOPLE SAY, WE'LL GIVE YOU WATER.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN GREAT.

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BUT DURING CONSTRUCTION OF MY INSPECTORS, THEY'RE NOT THE NICEST PEOPLE.

YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND.

YOU KNOW, THE ROAD IS TORN APART FOR MONTHS, YOU KNOW.

BUT EVENTUALLY YOU'RE GOING TO GET THIS.

YOU'RE GOING TO GET A NICE, GOOD ROAD THAT'LL LAST YOU 20 YEARS PERFECTLY.

WHEN WE REJUVENATE IT, THIS WILL PROBABLY LAST ANOTHER 30 TO 40 YEARS.

WE'LL GIVE YOU GUYS THE BANG FOR THE BUCK.

AS MY PRESENTATION IN THE OTHER QUESTIONS.

COUPLE THINGS. OKAY.

AT THE LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE REVENUE FROM EXCESS PROPERTY.

YES. THERE'S GOING TO BE A DISCUSSION IN THE FUTURE ABOUT MOVING THAT AWAY FROM ROAD MAINTENANCE AND MOVING IT OVER TO POLICE AND FIRE.

DID I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY? I WASN'T PAYING ATTENTION.

I HAVE NO IDEA.

THE OTHER THING YOU MENTIONED, I THINK IT WAS THE LAST MEETING ABOUT MOVING THE PORTABLE STOPLIGHT FROM THE SOUTH INTERCHANGE AREA OUT TO JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY IN MALABAR.

I JUST WONDERED IF YOU HAD A BETTER FEELING AT THE TIME FRAME OF THAT.

AND THE THE AGREEMENT WE HAVE IS A VERBAL AGREEMENT.

IT'S AN UNDERSTANDING.

AND JUST JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, I EMAILED THE COUNTY BECAUSE PEOPLE KEPT SAYING NO.

IT WAS A DISCUSSION THAT I HAD.

I WASN'T THE ONLY ONE.

THE PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER, SHERMAN, THE CURRENT CITY MANAGER, THEY WERE AT THAT MEETING TOO.

WE HAD A DISCUSSION AND JOHN DANILOFF MADE A.

UNDERSTANDING THAT IF WE CONTINUE FORWARD WITH BABCOCK STREET WIDENING AND IF WE HAVE TO THEN TAKE DOWN THE TEMPORARY SPAN WHERE OUR SIGNAL THAT WE PUT UP THERE AT BABCOCK AT THE PARKWAY, HOW ABOUT MOVING THAT OVER HERE TO MALABAR PARKWAY? THAT'S A DEAL, JOHN.

YOU GIVE ME THE OK, WE'LL DO IT CLOSE.

WE OPEN BIDS FOR THE WIDENING AT BABCOCK ON WEDNESDAY.

ONCE WE GET AND I KNOW THERE ARE SOME GOOD CONTRACTORS THAT ARE ALL EXCITED TO DO THAT PROJECT.

WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT ROADWAY COMPLETED BY DECEMBER OF NEXT YEAR, DECEMBER 31, 2023.

ROADWAY HAS TO BE COMPLETED.

IT HAS TO BE A PERMANENT SIGNAL, MAST AND POLES.

SO THE LAST THING THEY'LL DO WOULD BE TO ACTIVATE THE NEW SIGNAL AND TAKE DOWN THE SIGNAL, RELOCATE THAT OLD SIGNAL OVER HERE IN THE MALABAR AND JUST MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S UP TO SPEED. I SENT AN EMAIL TO THE COUNTY TRAFFIC, PEOPLE SAYING, HEY, WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO OPENING OUR BIDS.

WHAT'S THE GAME PLAN HERE? AND SO FAR EVERYBODY IS SAYING, HERE'S WHAT I NEED, HERE'S WHAT I NEED.

NOBODY IS SAYING WHAT THEY WOULD HAVE SAYING, HERE'S WHAT YOU NEED.

HERE'S WHAT YOU NEED. SO THEIR STAFF IS MOVING FORWARD FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD TO PERMIT AND RELOCATE THAT TEMPORARY SIGNAL TO METAL.

I HAVE NOT GOTTEN TO WHAT EVERYTHING I'VE GOTTEN SO FAR IS YOU NEED THIS, YOU NEED THIS, YOU NEED THIS.

SO I THINK EVERYBODY IS STILL UNDER THE UNDERSTANDING THAT.

THE DISCUSSION WE HAD WITH THEIR ASSISTANTS, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR JOHN DANILOFF IS STILL GOOD.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE SCHOOL SERVICE OFFICER IS WHEN TIME ALLOWS, HE'S COMING IN DIRECTING TRAFFIC DOWN THERE NOW IN THE AFTERNOON.

SO HOPEFULLY THAT HELPS OUT SOME.

IN THE MEANTIME, SCHOOL STARTS BACK UP IN AUGUST.

YEAH. AND AGAIN, WE HAVE LOTS OF DEVELOPMENTS AND IT NEEDS TO I WOULD LIKE TO ACCELERATE IT, BUT I CAN'T PULL THAT TEMPORARY SIGNAL DOWN THERE UNTIL THE PERMANENT ONE IS BUILT DOWN THERE AT BABCOCK AND PARKWAY.

AND AS MUCH AS THIS ONE HERE IS NEEDED, SO IS THAT ONE DOWN THERE BECAUSE OF THE HEAVY TRUCK TRAFFIC? YOU'D BE SURPRISED BECAUSE OF THE ROCK QUARRY THAT'S SOUTH ON A TRUCK TRAFFIC THAT'S DOWN THERE, PLUS ALL THE OTHER ACTIVITIES GOING ON WITH ALL THE OTHER BUILDINGS BEING BUILT.

AND AS SOON AS THAT NEW INTERSECTION IS COMPLETED WITH THE.

BALLS AMASSED ON THE TEMPORARY SWING WILL BE TAKEN DOWN.

AND SO FAR WHAT I'VE GOTTEN FROM THE COUNTY LAST COUPLE OF DAYS IS YOU NEED TO SUBMIT THIS PERMIT APPLICATION, YOU NEED TO SUBMIT THESE PLANS, YOU NEED TO SUBMIT THIS STUFF.

IT TELLS ME THAT THEY'RE SAYING IT'S OKAY, LET'S MOVE FORWARD, GET ALL THE PAPERWORK DONE AND GET YOUR PERMIT IN HAND.

THEY COME. GOOD TO GO.

LAST THING I HAD WAS MORE TO UPDATE THE BOARD ON THE PRESENTATION.

WE HAD A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AGO.

I TALKED TO THE MAYOR.

I TALKED TO COUNCILMAN PHIL FILBERTO AND I TALKED TO THE DEPUTY MAYOR ABOUT IT.

THE DEPUTY MAYOR GRABBED THAT BALL AND RAN WITH IT.

MY UNDERSTANDING THERE'S BEEN SOME TALKS BETWEEN THE CITY AND SCOTT AND.

ANOTHER MEETING THIS WEEK.

THE CITY AND SCAT SHORT ORDER PALM BAY CITIZENS MAY BE ABLE TO RIDE THE SCAT INSIDE THE CITY AT NO CHARGE.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? ONE MORE QUESTION. I KNOW THAT LAST TIME YOU MENTIONED, I GUESS PROGRAMING THE LIGHTS OF MALABAR.

I'M NOT ONE TO JUST KIND OF GET A STATUS ON THAT.

GIVE YOU A HEADS UP. THE PROGRAM OF MARLBORO IS BEING FUNDED TO THE TPO.

THEY GAVE US, I THINK, SIX OR 700,000.

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WE GAVE THAT CONTRACT TO FGA AND THEY'RE DESIGNING IT FOR US, BECAUSE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS THAT THE SYSTEM WILL EVENTUALLY TIE IT TO THE SYSTEM, WHICH WOULD BE THE COUNTY AND FAULT SYSTEM. SO WE'LL BE TIED AS ONE LARGE UNIT.

BUT THE OVERALL INTENT WOULD BE TO HAVE ALL OUR CONTROLLERS COMMUNICATED AND CONNECTED WITH FIBER.

RIGHT NOW, ALL OUR NONE OF OUR SIGNALS ARE CONNECTED.

ALL OF OUR SIGNALS RUN INDEPENDENTLY.

AND THAT'S KIND OF SHOCKED PRECEDED THE SIZE.

TYPICALLY SIGNALS ARE INTERCONNECTED BECAUSE ONCE YOU'RE INTERCONNECTED, THEN YOU CAN PUT IN COORDINATE A SINGLE TIMING.

SO YOU COULD HAVE AN NOONTIME PM, YOU COULD ADJUST YOUR SIGNAL TIMING BASED ON THE DETECTORS, BASED ON THE TRAFFIC CONDITIONS.

SO IT'LL SYNC THE TIMES BASICALLY WHERE IT SHOULD BE.

SO RIGHT NOW, AS YOU DRIVE DOWN THE ROAD NEXT TO YOU, GET A GREEN LIGHT.

THERE'S NOT A CAR ON THE RED LIGHT AND THERE'S NOT A CAR ON THE SIDE.

SO YOU WONDER WHY? BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO FIX TIME.

CYCLE'S NEW SYSTEM WILL BE RUNNING IN A COORDINATED SINGLE TIMING.

AND SO IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'LL HAVE CAMERAS AS WELL.

STATE OF THE ART CONTROLLERS, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO.

CHANGE THE TIMINGS MORE RAPIDLY THAN WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS SIX TIMES.

THAT'S THE DESIGN PHASE WITH F2.

THEY HAVE HIRED A CONSULTANT.

I'VE DONE A PRELIMINARY, WHICH IS WHAT WE NEED FOR HARD WORK EQUIPMENT PROTOCOL.

WE'RE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING AFTER.

IT SAYS KIND OF HIGH END, BUT BECAUSE IT'S FLAT, WE WANT TO STAY CONSISTENT WITH THE REGION.

SO WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE ALL OUR CABINETS AND ALL OUR CONTROLLERS AND ALL OUR SIGNALS ARE CONSISTENT.

SO THERE'S COMPATIBILITY.

SO WE'LL BE TIED INTO THE 95, THE COUNTIES, MALABAR ROAD, ALL THE WAY TO ST JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY.

WOW. A FIVE LINE THE ENTIRE LENGTH.

A DESIGN FULLY FUNDED THIS YEAR SHOULD BE COMPLETED SOMETIME NEXT YEAR.

TPO SAYS IN 2023 OR 2024, BRING THAT UP FOR CONSTRUCTION.

CONSTRUCTION OF THIS TYPE IS NOT THAT HARD.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT UNDERGROUND FIBER CABINET REPLACEMENTS, NEW CONTROLLERS.

SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT BILLIONS, BUT THERE'S SOME DOLLARS ASSOCIATED.

THEY SAID THEY WILL HELP FUND THAT PHASE CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE MALABAR ROAD, WHERE THEY SEE IT IS A BELIEVER ROUTE OR IN CASE OF EMERGENCIES, IN CASE OF INCIDENT ON FIVE, THEN JUMP ON MALABAR ROAD.

YOU CAN USE IT AS A.

EMERGENCY CORRIDOR TO GO DOWN TO MILTON ROAD OR GO DOWN ALL THE WAY TO THE PARKWAY.

TAKE THAT AS AN OPTION.

SO THEY LIKE TO HAVE THESE SAME INCIDENT ROADWAYS SO THEY CAN GET THEM OFF THE FREEWAY, PUT THEM ONTO A MAJOR ROADWAY, SYNC THEM UP, MAYBE HAVE SOME TROUBLE SIGNS THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE ON TO THE ROADS OR CONTINUE ON TO GUIDE PEOPLE TO GO TO ANOTHER CORRIDOR THAT'LL BE PARALLEL TO ON 95.

SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY THEY'RE PROMOTING OUR ROADWAY TIMING PROJECT.

IN SCIENCE FULLY FUNDED OPTICAL CONSTRUCTION FUNDED BY THE TPO IN ABOUT 2023, 2024.

AND THEN THAT WILL GO OUT TO CONSTRUCTION AGAIN.

SO WE'RE WE'RE THE ONLY ONES GETTING THIS.

IT'S MONEY OUT OF OUR ROAD.

ABOUT TIME WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN NOTHING.

KIDS. THIS WAS MORE.

OR TRYING TO GET SOME KNOWLEDGE FROM THE BOARD, I'D ASK YOU TO SEND OUT A LINK TO SOME GRANTS AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.

I THINK APPLY TO US OR WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO, BUT SOMETHING SO WE CAN IMPROVE OUR BUS STOPS.

YEAH. A MAJORITY OF THAT.

YOU HAVE TO BE A TRANSIT AGENCY.

WE GOT PRETTY PARTNERED, REMEMBER? THEY'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT PARTNERING AND MAYBE THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY WITH OUR COUNCIL.

IF COUNCIL DIRECTS, CITY MANAGER DIRECTS ME TO START LOOKING AT PARTNERSHIPS, I'LL BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.

BUT I KNOW TRANSIT MONEY TYPICALLY GOES TO TRANSIT AGENCIES AND AND I KNOW THERE'S A CHUNK OF MONEY BEING SET ASIDE.

BUT IF YOU I'M NOT SURE HOW THEY DO IT, BUT I KNOW IF YOU DO IT THE CORRECT WAY, IT WAS WAYS TO GET THE MATERIALS.

NOTHING. THE BUSSES ARE NOTHING.

IT'S THE OPERATING COSTS.

IT'S THE COST TO RUN THE BUSSES.

AND THEY'LL GIVE YOU BUSSES.

IT'S IT'S THE OPERATING, THE MANPOWER, THE MAINTENANCE FACILITIES, FACILITIES, ALL THAT IS WHAT TYPICALLY THEY SAY THAT YOUR COSTS WE'LL GIVE YOU BUSSES, WE'LL GIVE YOU THIS.

BUT TO PLAN IT, TO OPERATE IT, THAT'S YOUR COST.

AND THAT BECOMES A HUGE COST.

AS AN AGENCY. BUT I DON'T I'M NOT SURE HOW SOME WHERE I LIVE.

I WONDER IF WE ALREADY HAVE A TRANSIT AGENCY SINCE WE HAVE A TAXING AUTHORITY TO ADD MILLAGE FOR ROADS.

DO YOU HAVE A ROAD AGENCY THAT WHERE THE MILEAGE HAS ALWAYS BEEN SET TO ZERO? AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TRANSIT WORKS.

THE FEDERAL DOLLARS COMES WITH A DIFFERENT POT OF MONEY.

WE GET OUR MONEY FROM THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY GAS TAX.

TRANSIT GETS THEIR MONEY THROUGH A TRANSIT TAX.

TAXATION. THEY SHARE THAT WITH RAIL AND THEY SHARE THAT WITH OTHER TRANSIT USES.

SO IT'S JUST NOT BUSSES.

THEY SPLIT UP.

OTHER RAIL FEDERAL HIGHWAY HAS RAIL MONEY AND TRANSIT MONEY.

AIR MONEY. FOOD.

HOW TRANSIT. I'M NOT SURE HOW.

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ONE OTHER THOUGHT IS IF THEY DO THIS GAS TAX HOLIDAY OR LOW LOCAL OPTION, GAS TAX MONEY IS ALREADY DEDICATED FUNDING FOR A BOND.

JUST. THE LOW MONEY BOND STILL HAS TO BE PAID OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND.

SO JUST. I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING WHEN THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT SUSPENDING THE GAS TAX OF $0.18.

WE FIX THE ROADS.

BUT. AT THE PEAK OF OUR BOND MONEY THAT WE PROMISED.

OUT OF THAT MONEY IN THE GENERAL FUND.

AND WE STILL WON'T GET. HELLO, JT.

ANYTHING ELSE? ANYBODY.

NONE OF ALL THE MEETING ADJOURNED AT.

OH. AGENDA REQUEST FOR A FUTURE MEETING.

SORRY. I THOUGHT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE WERE DOING THERE.

SO ANY SUGGESTIONS OR REQUEST? AND JUST TO HIGHLIGHT, I DID TALK TO THE UTILITIES DIRECTOR, CHRIS LITTLE.

HE MADE A COMMITMENT TO TRY TO HAVE SOMEONE, EITHER AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER, TO GET AN UPDATE ON THE UTILITIES.

THAT'S BOTH THE PLANTS AND THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON.

HOPEFULLY HE'LL COMMIT TO THAT AND GET US SOMEONE HERE EITHER IN AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER.

THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE WHEN WE FIRST STARTED, I WAS I THINK I WAS TALKING WITH LARRY BRADLEY AND, YOU KNOW, HE PASSED AWAY.

AND SINCE THEN, THEN PATRICK WENT BECAUSE PATRICK WAS THE NEXT KNOWLEDGEABLE GUY.

BUT HE. YEAH.

SO MANY MEETINGS, BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO BURDEN HIM.

NOW WE HAVE ALL NEW STAFF THAT REALLY ARE JUST STILL IN THE LEARNING, YOU KNOW? SO THEY REALLY DON'T HAVE A GOOD GRASP OF THE CITY.

AND THERE ARE GOOD PLANNERS.

I KNOW THE DIRECTOR. SHE'S GREAT.

JESSE THEY'RE GREAT, BUT THEY JUST DON'T HAVE A LIKE FOR ME, IT TOOK ME A YEAR TO FIGURE OUT THE CITY, BUT IT WAS SIMPLE BECAUSE I CAME FROM SEBASTIAN.

THIS IS A LARGER SEBASTIAN LITERALLY, YOU KNOW, AS A GDC.

AND WHEN YOU TELL SOMEBODY LIKE THE NEWS PEOPLE, THEY GO, WHAT'S GDC IS LIKE, OH MY GOSH, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT A GDC CITY IS.

SWALES PROBLEMS HAVE PLANNING, YOU KNOW? SO I'M GOING TO GIVE THEM A BREAK RIGHT NOW.

I KNOW THAT THERE WAS SO MUCH ON THEIR PLATES RIGHT NOW.

SO I'M GOING TO HOPEFULLY MAYBE TOWARDS THE END OF THE YEAR AS THEY GET COMFORTABLE.

THEY HIRED A NEW PLANNER, I HEARD.

SO I'M TRYING TO GET CHRIS LITTLE FIRST.

SO I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THAT REALLY CHIMES IN WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

GROWTH IS, YOU KNOW, WE START STEPPING ON EACH.

WE KIND OF TIE INTO IT, BUT WE TRY TO STAY MORE TOWARDS THE CAPITAL ROAD ENGINEERING AND B PLANNING WITH PLANNING.

BUT. I'LL BE HAPPY TO AGAIN ONCE HAVE STAFF, HAVE THE ABILITY TO ASK THEM TO HAVE SOME.

WE ARE CANCELING THE JULY MEETING, BUT I'M HOPING THAT CHRIS WILL COME THROUGH AND HE SAID HE WILL SEE AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER.

SO IF HE DOES WANT TO DO ONE ON AUGUST, WE HAVE THE IF WE DON'T HAVE ONE THAT I'LL GET HOLD OF THE CHAIR AND SEE YOU GUYS BECAUSE I HAVE RIGHT NOW NOTHING FOR AUGUST.

I HAVE ON MY PLATE WAS TO HAVE A LITTLE GIVE A PRESENTATION AS.

I'M HERE BECAUSE YOU GUYS.

I'M YOUR STAFF. I'M IN.

I HEARD THE HIGHLIGHT OF.

ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE BEING DONE? I'LL CALL. THE MEETING ADJOURNED AT 1954.

THANK YOU. UM.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.