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[CALL TO ORDER]
ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS THE WEDNESDAY, JULY 20TH REGULAR MEETING, 2020 2-07 MEETING OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ADVISORY BOARD.ELENA, DO WANT TO DO ROLL CALL.
MARASH. MR. MAUREEN. MR. SEEBER. MISS WALKER.
PRESIDENT. MR. WILLIAMS PRESIDENT.
MISS, RIGHT. FOURTH ATTORNEY, RODNEY EDWARDS.
THANK YOU. NEXT UP, WE HAVE THE ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING APRIL 20TH, 2022.
[ADOPTION OF MINUTES]
JUST WANT TO NOTE THAT I WAS PRESENT AT THE LAST MEETING, BUT THEY HAD ME DOWN AS.OK. WAS KRISTINA PRESENT AT THAT MEETING? I DON'T REMEMBER AT THIS POINT.
I CAN CHECK LATER AND WE CAN MAKE CORRECTIONS.
DO WE WANT TO POSTPONE APPROVAL OF THAT INTO THE CORRECTIONS OR APPROVED PENDING? WE CAN APPROVE PENDING.
DID WE HAVE A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE OUR MEETING FROM A MINUTES FROM APRIL 20TH.
MEETING? CONTINGENT ON CHANGES.
QUESTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I CAN'T. I HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND.
I VOTE I IN THAT MOTION PASSES.
NEXT WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR NON AGENDA ITEMS. NOT SEE ANY.
WE'LL GO TO OLD, UNFINISHED BUSINESS, NOT HAVE ANY PRESENTATIONS.
YOUR BUSINESS. FIRST ITEM IS INTRODUCTION OF OUR NEW BOARD MEMBERS.
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I'M GOING TO TURN THIS OVER TO NANCY.Q I'M NANCY BLUNT, MEANING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T FORMALLY MET ME.
I JUST WANTED TO INTRODUCE OUR NEW BOARD MEMBERS AND ALSO STATE THAT I PROVIDED A COPY WITHIN YOUR PACKAGE THAT ACTUALLY HAS ALL OF THE BOARD MEMBERS LISTED AS WELL AS WHAT POSITION THEY SIT IN.
SO FIRST I WANT TO INTRODUCE JERRY WILLIAMS. HE REPRESENTS THE ADVOCATE FOR LOW INCOME PERSONS.
WELCOME. YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANTED TO SAY ANYTHING.
I JUST WANT TO SAY I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE.
SHE REPRESENTS ESSENTIAL SERVICES PERSONNEL.
ITEM NUMBER TWO, WE HAVE AN INTRODUCTION OF SOME NEW CITY HOUSING STAFF.
I'M SORRY WE MISSED THAT PART.
SO. VICE CHAIRMAN ALAN WATTS, IS HE RESIGNED FROM THE BOARD.
AND SO THAT LEAVES YOUR VICE CHAIRMAN POSITION VACANT IF YOU CHOOSE TO.
YOU CAN NOMINATE A NEW CHAIR AT THE MEETING.
I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE KAMARAJ TO SERVE AS THE VICE CHAIR IF SHE'S.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I OPPOSE.
NO, OPPOSE. THAT MOTION PASSES.
OH, I VOTE I THAT MOTION PASSES.
THANK YOU. SO OUR NEW CITY STAFF, TZIPI CARLISLE, KENYA AND GHANA.
SHE GOES BY SEBI AND SHE IS OUR NEW HOUSING ADMINISTRATOR.
SANDRA URBAN HAD LEFT END OF MAY AND THEN DORSEY NORM INDIA.
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BEHIND. BUT I WANTED TO GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME UP AND JUST INTRODUCE THEMSELVES AND.START WORKING WITH NANCY AND THANK ME.
THANK YOU FOR, I GUESS, APPOINTING ME TO THIS POSITION.
I USED TO WORK FOR A COMMUNITY HOUSING INITIATIVE FOR 14 YEARS, MANAGING THE DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE FOR BREVARD COUNTY, PALM BAY, MELBOURNE, TITUSVILLE AND COCOA. AND I STARTED LAST WEEK AS A SENIOR HOUSING COUNSELOR HERE FOR THE CITY.
SO WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE BOTH OF YOU.
SO MUCH I WANT TO START OUT FIRST BY APOLOGIZING.
I'VE ALREADY CALLED THE CHAIR.
WHEN SANDRA LEFT IN THE END OF MAY, WE STILL DID NOT HAVE THE SENIOR HOUSING SPECIALIST POSITION.
BUILD YET. AND SO WE WERE NOTIFIED BY HUD THAT WE WERE GETTING MONITORED BY FOUR, SP ONE AND SP THREE AND THAT IS A GRANT THE CITY RECEIVED SINCE 2010.
SO IT'S BEEN 12 YEARS AND THERE HAS BEEN MULTIPLE STAFF THAT HAVE WORKED ON THAT.
IN ADDITION TO WORKING ON THE FIVE YEAR CONSOLIDATED PLAN, STRATEGIC PLAN AND ANNUAL ACTION PLAN.
SO YOU DID RECEIVE THIS ON MONDAY AND I APOLOGIZE.
I WILL ALSO SAY THAT IF YOU DID GET A CHANCE TO READ IT, THERE ARE AREAS WHERE THEY'RE NOT COMPLETED AS WE JUST COULD NOT GET IT COMPLETELY DONE BEFORE. AND SO THE REASON WHY WE NEEDED TO GET THIS TO YOU IS BECAUSE AUGUST 2ND IS OUR DEADLINE TO HUD.
SO WE WANT TO STAY IN GRANT COMPLIANCE AND WE NEEDED TO TAKE IT TO COUNCIL TOMORROW NIGHT.
SO FIRST OF ALL, LET ME APOLOGIZE.
WE WILL DEFINITELY WORK ON NOT LETTING THIS HAPPEN.
BUT LET ME SUMMARIZE THE FIVE YEAR CONSOLIDATED PLAN AND THE ANNUAL ACTION PLAN.
SO OF COURSE, EVERY FIVE YEARS THE CITY HAS TO DO THIS FULL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND WITH THE NEW 2020 CENSUS DATA THAT CAME OUT, IT IS A MAJOR REWRITE.
SO WE HAVE TO UPDATE ALL OF THE DATA.
AND THEN SOMETIMES THE CENSUS TRACTS AND THE BLOCK GROUPS CHANGE.
AND SO THAT CHANGES ALL OF THE DATA WITHIN THAT PLAN.
BUT YOU ALL HAVE SEEN THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR FUNDING WE WERE LOOKING AT FOR CDBG PUBLIC SERVICES FOR US IN MINISTRIES DOING BUSINESS AS THE SOURCE AND YOUR FUNDING RECOMMENDATION RECOMMENDATION WAS 50,000 GREATER MELBOURNE POWELL FOR PALM BAY YOUTH, YOUR RECOMMENDATION WAS $23,800.
AND THEN SOUTH BREVARD WOMEN'S CENTER WAS $38,500 FOR THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS.
YOU ALL HAD RECOMMENDED IMPROVEMENTS TO LIBERTY PARK AT $158,350.
IMPROVEMENTS AT VETERANS PARK FOR $164,937.
AND THEN PUBLIC WORKS WANTED TO COMPLETE THE PHASE TWO DRAINAGE AND STUDY FOR THE DESIGN AND DRAINAGE STUDY FOR THEIR DRISCOLL HEIGHTS PROJECT.
THE ONE THING THAT I WILL, AND THAT'S FOR $170,170.
AND I'LL KIND OF GO INTO THE SCOPE CHANGE WHEN WE GET TO OTHER BOARD BUSINESS, NUMBER ONE.
SO THE CDBG ADMINISTRATION IS 151,000 FOR 39.
SO THE TOTAL ALLOCATION FOR CDBG IS $757,196.
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AND THEN OF COURSE, WE HAVE OUR HOME FUNDS AND THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT A HOME KOTO PROJECT.WE CURRENTLY HAVE A PROJECT WITH COMMUNITY HOUSING INITIATIVES WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO CONSTRUCT FOUR NEW HOMES THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND THEN THEY'LL PLACE LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLDS INTO THOSE, PROVIDE DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE AS WELL.
SO ALSO WITHIN THAT PACKAGE WAS YOUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PRIORITY NEEDS? WE SENT OUT THOUSANDS OF SURVEYS, HAD ONLINE SURVEYS, WE HAD PUBLIC MEETINGS AND WE RECEIVED APPROXIMATELY ABOUT 700 SURVEYS.
AND THEN WE TOOK WE GATHERED ALL OF THE DATA THAT WE GOT FROM THE PUBLIC MEETINGS AND THEN.
SO IN ONE OF YOUR ATTACHMENTS IS THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PRIORITY NEEDS.
AND, AND BASED ON THE RANKING, WE PRESENT THAT TO YOU ALL WHEN AGENCIES COME FOR FUNDING AND THEN AND THEN WE SAY, WELL, THIS IS CONSIDERED A HIGH PRIORITY, MEDIUM PRIORITY AND LOW PRIORITY, YOU'RE ABLE TO SCORE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON THAT.
WE ALSO LOOK AT HOMELESS CONDITIONS.
AND SO THAT ALL IS INCORPORATED IN HERE AS WELL.
IN ADDITION TO UPDATING ALL OF THE DATA, ESPECIALLY WITH HOW FAST PALM BAY IS GROWING AND THE CHANGE IN THE CENSUS FROM 2010, SO IT CAN BE HAS REALLY CHANGED SINCE THEN.
SO IT WAS BASICALLY A COMPLETE REWRITE.
I THOUGHT IT WOULD. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER.
THOSE NUMBERS YOU JUST READ OFF A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS IN.
YOU SAID TOTAL 757 196 BUT THEN THE AGENDA MEMO IS SAYING THE FINAL ALLOCATION WAS 725 TO 6.
AND THAT IS CORRECT. I'M SORRY I PULLED UP.
THAT'S OKAY. SO I THINK THE ONES THAT YOU SAID WERE A LITTLE.
YEAH, NO, IT'S OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE IT RIGHT ON THE RECORD.
AND THEN I THINK THE VETERANS PARK.
LET ME IF I COULD LET ME JUST READ THIS REAL QUICK.
I APOLOGIZE. THIS WAS ACTUALLY THE OLD ONE AND I WON THE RIGHT THING IN THERE.
YES. AND SO THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE.
BUT WE ACTUALLY RECEIVE 725 TO 66.
SO WHAT WE THE MODIFICATIONS THAT WE MADE WERE GREATER MELBOURNE PAL.
INSTEAD OF RECEIVING THE 38,500, THEY WILL RECEIVE 20000 TO 89.
AND THEN FOR PUBLIC FACILITIES, THE CHANGE VETERANS PARK, WHICH WILL BE 142 904 AND THEN OF COURSE ADMINISTRATION WAS ADJUSTED ACCORDINGLY TO 145 ZERO 53 AND THEN OF HOME WAS TO 68 802 57 OKAY.
THANK YOU. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
THAT'S OKAY. ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR NANCY ON THE CONSOLIDATED PLAN OR THE HOME ACTION PLAN? I, UM.
WELL, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
THE FIRST ONE WAS THE SAME CONFUSION I HAD WITH THE NUMBERS.
I HOPE WE GET ANOTHER CHANCE TO KIND OF GO THROUGH IT AGAIN.
WE MEET AGAIN TO DISCUSS IT ANY FURTHER BECAUSE IT GOES TO COUNCIL AND IT GOES TO COUNCIL TOMORROW NIGHT AND IT IS ACTUALLY THE DEADLINE IS AUGUST 2ND TO SUBMIT, BUT THERE IS THE FIVE YEAR CONSOLIDATED PLAN WHICH WE COULD AMEND AND THEN ALSO THE ANNUAL ACTION PLAN WHICH WILL BE LITERALLY ROLLING INTO THE NEXT ONE.
YOU MAY FIND THAT SOME OF THE DATA LIKE I WILL TELL YOU WHEN I LOOKED AT RENTS, THEY WERE VERY LOW.
YEAH, BUT, BUT WE HAVE TO GO BASED.
SOME OF THESE WERE PRELOADED BY HUD SO WE DIDN'T EVEN INCLUDE THEM IN.
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TYPE OF THERE WAS SOME REFERENCE LIKE WE USE AS LONG AS WE SITE IT LIKE ZILLOW.BUT EVEN SOME OF THE REALTOR.COM AND ZILLOW'S I STILL FELT WERE REALLY LOW COMPARED TO REAL LIFE.
BUT WE ALSO USE LIKE AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY DATA.
WE HAD THE 2020 CENSUS, BUT REMEMBER, EVEN HUD RECOMMENDED TO US THEY DIDN'T REALLY THINK THAT THE DATA WAS ACCURATE BECAUSE WE WERE GETTING IN THAT WHOLE COVID AREA TIME FRAME AND THEY DIDN'T FEEL THAT IT WAS REALLY ACCURATE.
SO THEY ACTUALLY ENCOURAGED US TO USE THE AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY DATA, NOT THE 2020 CENSUS DATA.
I'M SURPRISED YOU DIDN'T REACH OUT TO SPACE COAST REALTORS TO GET ANY DATA THAT THEY MAY HAVE.
I STILL HAVE A TIMEFRAME, SO I WILL DO THAT.
SO A LOT OF THAT DID HAPPEN HERE.
AND IT CAME OUT THAT DAY AND STILL THE SAME.
SO I BELIEVE THE SPACE COAST REAL ESTATE REALTORS WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE YOU WITH REAL ACCURATE DATA BECAUSE WE HAVE ALL OF THAT ON OUR MLS AND SO THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT.
I ALSO KNOW THAT GIANNI AT BREVARD HOMELESS COALITION HAS BEEN RUNNING A THAT DATA EVERY ON A WEEKLY OR DAILY BASIS WHERE HE'S PULLING THE RENTALS AND.
HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IT WAS MONUMENTAL, I WILL SAY THAT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK ON THAT.
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SO AS I BRIEFLY MENTIONED, THE THE CITY CONTRACTED WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT USING CDBG FUNDS.IT WAS 499,431 IS FOR THE CURRENT FY 2020 122 CDBG FISCAL YEAR.
AND SO THEY WERE PLANNING ON ACQUIRING PROPERTY IN DRISCOLL HEIGHTS FOR ONE OF OUR STREET.
THAT'S OUR AREA WHERE THERE'S THE MOST DRAINAGE ISSUES.
AND. AND SO THE CONTRACT, WHAT THEY WHAT THEY INITIALLY WANTED TO DO WAS ACQUIRE LAND IN ORDER TO BUILD ADDITIONAL STORMWATER POND.
AND SO THE BUDGET IS BASED ON LAND ACQUISITION AND IT INCLUDES APPRAISALS, ENVIRONMENTAL TITLE SEARCHES, ANYTHING RELATED TO LAND ACQUISITION. SO I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO SHOW YOU, ESPECIALLY FOR THE NEW MEMBERS AND HOPEFULLY YOU CAN SEE THIS.
YOU COULD. WATER IS FLOWING DOWN SOUTH FROM WILLIAMS STREET DOWN INTO THE POND.
AND THERE'S SOME PIPING THERE.
AND IT'S STILL THERE'S STILL HAVING FLOODING ISSUES.
SO THE IDEA FOR PUBLIC WORKS WAS THERE'S ALL THESE VACANT LOTS OVER HERE, LARGE PARCELS AND DOMINANTLY BY 3 TO 1 DEVELOPERS.
STAFF WAS IN NEGOTIATIONS WITH THEM TO SEE IF THEY COULD PURCHASE THE PROPERTY.
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ONE OF THE PARCELS IS WETLANDS AND SO WE ASKED TRY TO NEGOTIATE AND THEY WERE PRETTY FIRM ON WHAT THEY WANTED FOR THE PROPERTY AND WHAT THEY FELT THE PROPERTY WAS WORTH.SO WE HAD TO GO BACK AND KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHAT COULD WE DO? WAS THERE OTHER AREAS THAT WE COULD PURCHASE AND PROVIDE THAT DRAINAGE? SO WHAT PUBLIC WORKS CAME UP WITH WAS AND I CAN'T HIGHLIGHT IT, BUT JUST TO THE WEST OF OUR PARCEL IS RIGHT AWAY.
AND SO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO IS TAKE THE EXISTING POND AND EXPAND IT OUT.
AT THIS PIECE RIGHT HERE, THE RIGHT OF WAY AND TAKE WHEN YOU VACATE RIGHT AWAY, THE PROPERTY OWNER SPLIT IT SO WE WOULD GET HALF OF THAT RIGHT AWAY.
AND SO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO IS EXPAND THE EXISTING POND AND THEN INTO THAT PARTIAL RIGHT OF WAY, MOVE THE SIDEWALK OVER AND THEN JUST USE THE CURRENT POND IN ADDITION.
AND RIGHT UP HERE BECAUSE OF THAT CURB, WHICH IS WHERE THEY SAY A LOT OF THE WATER SETTLES, THEY'RE GOING TO RECONSTRUCT THIS AREA RIGHT HERE BETWEEN MONROE AND LIBERIA AND PROBABLY DO SOME SWALES TO TRY TO CAPTURE SOME MORE WATER AND THEN MOVE THE SIDEWALKS AND KIND OF JUST REDESIGN IT SO THAT SOME WATER CAN ACTUALLY BE CAPTURED THERE AS WELL.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE EXPAND THE POND, WE WILL STILL HAVE THE CAPACITY THAT WE NEED.
BUT THEN WE WOULD NEED THEY WOULD NEED TO GO AND VERIFY THAT WHETHER OR NOT THEY WOULD NEED WETLAND MITIGATION CREDITS OR WHETHER THEY COULD ACTUALLY ADD MORE WATER TO THAT WETLANDS. SO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO FIRST IS GO BACK INSTEAD OF DOING THE LAND ACQUISITION IS DOING THE DESIGN AND ENGINEERING AND STUDY FIRST AND THEN LOOK AT THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING ON DOING.
AND SO WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS INSTEAD OF A CONTRACT FOR LAND ACQUISITION, THAT WE COMPLETE A SUBSTANTIAL AMENDMENT THROUGH HUD AND MODIFY THE CONTRACT FOR A DESIGN STUDY AND ENGINEERING.
AND SO IN THIS 23 CONTRACT, THEY ASKED FOR DESIGN STUDY.
AND SO I'VE ADDED CONSTRUCTION.
SO NOW THEY'LL HAVE A TOTAL OF 670,000 APPROXIMATELY.
SO I THINK THEY WILL BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THE DESIGN AND THE PLANNING PHASE AND THE CONSTRUCTION A LOT QUICKER THAN THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ACQUIRE ALL OF THAT PROPERTY, PLUS MEET THE FEDERAL GUIDELINES FOR PROPERTY ACQUISITION.
SO I'M COMPLETELY ON BOARD WITH THAT.
I KNOW THAT THAT'S LIKE PIPE DREAMS, NO PUN INTENDED, BUT THAT THAT WOULD BE A GREAT LOCATION AND MAYBE THEY COULD LEVERAGE THAT CDBG FUNDING WITH LIKE SOME SORREL FUNDS OR SOMETHING BECAUSE THAT APPLICATION PERIOD IS COMING UP I THINK NEXT MONTH AND THEY LOVE TO PARTNER WITH AGENCIES AND LEVERAGE FUNDING.
BUT I THINK THIS IS A GREAT IDEA.
I ALSO WANT TO MENTION YOU MADE ME THINK OF IT.
THEY ALSO TALKED ABOUT STORMWATER FUNDS SO THEY COULD USE SOME STORMWATER FUNDS.
AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS POND DOWN HERE, ALTHOUGH IT'S PRIVATELY OWNED BY THESE DEVELOPERS, THERE IS IT DOES FLOW OFF OF LIPSCOMB INTO THAT POND.
AND SO THEY WERE GOING THERE WAS GOING TO BE DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLY, DEPENDING ON HOW THE STUDY CAME OUT, OF WHETHER OR NOT WE COULD WORK SOMETHING WHERE WE COULD GET SOME OF THAT WATER TO GO INTO THEIR POND IF THEY HAD THE CAPACITY, BECAUSE IT'S A WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD, NOT JUST THIS ONE AREA, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE ISSUES ON LIPSCOMB, WHICH ALSO MELBOURNE.
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I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT THAT WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD IS.TYPES OF PROJECTS. I LIKE YOUR IDEA OF THE BOSS AS WELL.
AND IF THAT CAN BE INCORPORATED IN THE DESIGN, I DON'T KNOW.
YES. THE THE FIRST TASK ORDER THAT I'VE SEEN IS A COMPLETE COMPREHENSIVE STUDY OVER THE ENTIRE AREA, BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE ALL THE WATER GETS PULLED OFF.
AND I'VE SAID IT SINCE WE OWN IT, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY WE CAN HAVE A SECOND POND OR COULD ANY OF THAT WATER FLOW THERE? AND SO THEY'RE GOING TO STUDY EXACTLY HOW THE WATER FLOWS AND HOW MUCH WATER IT IS CURBING.
THEY ALSO WANT TO LOOK AT EVEN SIDEWALKS AND THE SWALES AND THINGS LIKE THAT BAFFLE BOXES.
SO AND IF THEY DETERMINE WHEN THEY DO THAT INITIAL STUDY THAT THEY CAN PHASE SOME OF THE PROJECTS SO THAT MAYBE THEY COULD COME BACK TO US IN FUTURE YEARS AND SAY, OKAY, NOW WE WANT TO DO PHASE TWO AND NOW WE WANT TO DO PHASE THREE AND CONTINUE TO BUILD ON THE PROJECT THAT WOULD.
DEFINITELY THINK THEY WILL DO THAT BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT AWARE THAT SIDEWALKS AND I MEAN WE CAN ACTUALLY REPAVE SLOPE THE ROADS PUT CURBS IN AND THEN ALSO SIDEWALKS IN ADA THE RAMPS.
AND SO WHEN THEY FOUND THAT OUT I SAID, OH YEAH, YOU CAN DO A WHOLE PROJECT.
SO. THE THE PEOPLE THAT OWN THE PROPERTY THAT THE CITY WANTED TO DO A DEAL WITH.
ARE THEY LOCAL PEOPLE? AND IN.
I JUST WONDER IF THEY FIGURE THAT.
THEY'RE MAILING ADDRESSES OFF OF BABCOCK PALM BAY.
WHAT ABOUT THE WETLANDS PARCEL AND RADIO SILENCE? THEY HAVEN'T SAID. SO IN MY DISCUSSIONS WITH PUBLIC WORKS THIS AFTERNOON, THEY WERE GOING TO REACH OUT A THIRD TIME.
HONESTLY, I FEEL LIKE THEY FEEL INSULTED BY OUR OFFER.
HOWEVER, IT IS THE APPRAISED VALUE.
SO. WHAT WOULD I BE OUT OF LINE IF I WAS JUST DID SOME RESEARCH, FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, LITTLE MORE OF WHO THEY ARE AND.
WHAT THEY PAID FOR IT AND YOU KNOW AND IT WAS THERE A FOR SALE SIGN ON IT? I BELIEVE IT IS.
I'VE BEEN INCLUDED IN SOME CORRESPONDENCE, SO I KNOW I HAVE CONTACT PERSONS FOR THEM, BUT I BELIEVE IT IS SALE. MAYBE I CAN TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT SOMETIME IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU.
AS. WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE FOR A BOARD MEMBER TO REACH OUT TO A PROPERTY OWNER? NO. HE ASKED IF HE COULD TALK WITH YOU ABOUT IT MORE.
OH, I'M SORRY. I THOUGHT YOU WANTED TO TALK TO HIM.
SO ARE WE TO TO THEN SAY HERE THAT FOR SURE THAT ACQUIRING THE PROPERTIES ON THE TABLE AS OF RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PURSUE THIS ANYMORE ACQUISITION? NO. WHAT I WOULD PROBABLY DO IS JUST AMEND IT TO IF WE DID END UP BECAUSE THEY ARE TRYING TO ACQUIRE STILL TRYING TO ACQUIRE THE WETLANDS PARCEL THAT THEY OWN.
SO I WOULD STILL LEAVE THAT IN THERE.
IT'S WE AND THAT'S PART OF THE STUDY IS HOW MUCH ON DO THEY NEED HOW YOU KNOW.
HOW MANY PAWNS DO THEY NEED? HOW, HOW, LIKE AND HOW MUCH WATER CAN WE ACTUALLY PUT ON THAT WETLANDS PROPERTY? BECAUSE YOUR AMENDMENT DIDN'T INCLUDE ACQUISITION.
YOUR AMENDMENT DID NOT BECAUSE CURRENTLY THAT'S WHAT THE ACTUAL CONTRACT IS FOR NOW.
OKAY. THE ACTUAL CONTRACT IS FOR LAND ACQUISITION ONLY.
AND SO I TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I'VE ASKED THIS WHOLE YEAR WHY? BECAUSE WHEN I'VE WORKED ON A PREVIOUS DRAINAGE PROJECT, WE DID DESIGN, ENGINEERING, STUDYING FIRST, AND THEN WE LOOKED AT LAND ACQUISITION.
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BUY GOING TO BUY A PARCEL.LIKE I MENTIONED, THE NORTHVIEW PARCEL AND THEY'RE LIKE, OH NO, THE WATER DOESN'T FLOW THERE.
BUT I THINK IF I'M RECALLING WHEN JULIETTE IS WHO CAME AND MASCAGNI IS WHO CAME AND PRESENTED THIS TO US SEVERAL YEARS AGO, I THOUGHT, MAYBE I'M FORGETTING HE WAS APPROACHED BY THAT DEVELOPER THAT THEY HAD ALREADY BEEN IN COMMUNICATIONS AND THE DEVELOPER WAS WILLING TO SELL.
IT'S INTERESTING THAT NOW THEY'RE ASKING FOR SO MUCH.
YOU ARE CORRECT. I REMEMBER THAT.
YEAH, BECAUSE THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO I THINK THIS ONE IS.
MAYBE IT'S MORE THAN ONE OWNER.
THAT COULD BE. I THINK IT WAS.
IT'S THE LOCAL PERSON THAT OWNS A LOT OF PROPERTY.
HE ALSO WANTED THE NORTHVIEW PROPERTY.
NOW. SO I'M JUST I WANTED TO LET YOU ALL KNOW BECAUSE WE DO WE WILL HAVE TO ADVERTISE THIS.
MAKE SURE SINCE YOU ALL THIS WAS PRESENTED TO THE BOARD AND WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THIS MODIFICATION, WE'RE JUST GOING TO ADD DESIGN, STUDY, ENGINEERING AND THEN CONSTRUCTION AND TAKE THE WHOLE BULK OF THE 670,000 AND LET THEM BECAUSE THEY POTENTIALLY COULD ACQUIRE SOME PROPERTY. BUT AT THIS POINT, THEY'RE JUST GOING TO MOVE ON BECAUSE THE OTHER PART IS WE HAVE TIME FRAMES.
WE'VE GOT TO START SPENDING THIS MONEY OR NOW IN JULY AND THEY HAVE SPENT NONE OF IT.
IT'S A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.
YEAH. YOU NEED A MOTION ON THIS OR JUST CONSENT THAT WE CAN GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ADVERTISEMENT AND THEN IT WILL COME BACK TO YOU.
OKAY. AND THEN THIS IS JUST AN INFORMATIONAL ITEM.
BACK IN NOVEMBER, WE CAME BEFORE YOU FOR A SUBSTANTIAL AMENDMENT.
THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS APPROVED AN ALLOCATION OF $345,363.30 FOR THE DEMOLITION OF FIRE STATION ONE.
AFTER THE WHEN THEY DID THE COST OF THE DEMOLITION, THE ENVIRONMENTAL, THE ENGINEERING, THE TOTAL COST ONLY ENDED UP BEING 88,006, 2330.
SO THAT LEFT A BALANCE OF $256,740.
SO AT YOUR NOVEMBER MEETING, THE FIRE CHIEF CAME AND SHE ASKED WHEN THEY STARTED TO BUILD THE NEW FIRE STATION, THEY NEED THE EQUIPMENT AND THEY NEED THE ENGINE.
QUINT THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO USE SOME IMPACT FEES.
SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE THE 256,000 FROM CDBG PLUS IMPACT FIRE IMPACT FEES TO PURCHASE THE.
QUINT WELL, AS YOU KNOW, PRICES HAVE GONE UP AND THE COST OF A.
QUINT AND PLUS THE TIME FRAME TO CONSTRUCT THE QUINT IS ABOUT 24 MONTHS OUT AND IT HAS INCREASED BY ABOUT ALMOST 400,000 MORE THAN WHAT THEY ORIGINALLY BUDGETED.
SO SHE HAS OTHER QUINTS IN THE AREA.
AND SO IN TALKING WITH THE CITY MANAGER, THEY RECOMMEND THAT IT JUST BE AN ENGINE VERSUS A QUINT.
IT REALLY DOESN'T REQUIRE SUBSTANTIAL AMENDMENT, BUT BECAUSE WE WERE ADAMANT THAT IT WAS A QUINT I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT THEY ARE REQUESTING IT TO BE AN ENGINE WHICH WILL BE ABOUT ALMOST 700,000 AND IT'S ABOUT AN 18 MONTH TURNAROUND.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING. YEAH, VEHICLES ARE CRAZY.
OVER A YEAR. FINALLY ON ITS WAY.
WE HAD A DUMP TRUCK WE ORDERED THE OTHER DAY.
I MEAN, YOU AND THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW TO ORDER VEHICLES.
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AND SO IT'S I MEAN, SO YOU ARE REALLY LOOKING YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS OUT WHAT YOUR VEHICLE NEEDS ARE, BUT HAVING TO PAY FOR THEM, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR THEM UNTIL THEY'RE RECEIVED, BUT YOU HAVE TO ENCUMBER.BUT YEAH, IT'S VEHICLES ARE CRAZY RIGHT NOW.
AND ONE OTHER THING I WANT TO MENTION IS SHE HAD ACTUALLY WAS LOOKING AT A QUINT THAT SHE COULD HAVE GOTTEN SOONER BUT BECAUSE SHE'S USING FEDERAL DOLLARS WE HAVE TO ENSURE THAT THE PROCUREMENT IS IT'S A FEDERAL PROCUREMENT AND UNFORTUNATELY THAT WAS NOT FEDERALLY PROCURED.
SO WILL THIS ENGINE MEET HER? YES. SHE SAID THEY CAN ATTACH A LADDER, BUT THEN THEY HAVE OTHER QUINTS IN THAT AREA THAT THEY COULD USE.
THE CITY OF PALM BAY HAS OR IS GOING TO USE MUTUAL AID.
SHE DIDN'T SAY THAT. I'M NOT SURE.
YEAH. IT SOUNDED. I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE A CLUE.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
YEAH, BECAUSE YOU HAD TO GO TO DIFFERENT CITIES, SOMETIMES THE COUNTY TO GET THEIRS.
THAT'S WHY WE NEEDED IT SO BAD.
YEAH. SO YOU MAY BE SAYING THE COUNTY OR MELBOURNE OR SOME OTHER AGENCY, THE LOCALS.
IF I MEET THEIR NEEDS, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GET IT IN TIME.
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE, BECAUSE I ACTUALLY HAD TO ASK BASICALLY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE QUINT AND THE ENGINE IS THE QUINT HAS THE BIG LADDER THAT'S ATTACHED TO THE ENGINE.
SO I DIDN'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE, SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU ALL KNEW.
YES, SHE USED TO WORK IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
SO WE WERE LIKE, WHAT IS IT, QUINT? OKAY. NEXT NUMBER THREE.
SO THIS IS JUST, AGAIN, ANOTHER INFORMATIONAL.
WE ARE. DUE TO STAFFING ISSUES.
I ALSO CAME DOWN WITH COVID AND SO WE HAD TO DELAY THE MONITORING.
IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE TWO WEEKS AGO AND I REQUESTED AN EXTENSION.
THESE WERE GRANTS THAT WE RECEIVED IN 2010, AND SO IT IS APPROXIMATELY $6,000,972 AND 137 136.
SO IT'S ABOUT $7 MILLION, MANY, MANY FILES.
AND SO WE ARE CONCERNED THIS IS THE LAST OF OUR NON COMPLIANCE ISSUES.
SO I HAVE EXPRESSED TO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE THAT WE MAY HAVE TO PAY SOME MONEY BACK.
AS OF. BUT THIS IS THE FINAL GRANT THAT IS NEEDS TO BE MONITORED.
I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE AT THIS TIME.
TO BE HONEST WITH YOU ALL WE'VE GOT INTO COMPLIANCE WITH CDBG CHIP AND HOME SO.
AND THEN ONCE THIS IS THROUGH, WE CLOSE OUT.
NSP WILL BE MOVING FORWARD AND BEING COMPLIANT.
YEAH. WELL, WE ASKED A CONSULTANT TO HELP THEM.
I THINK THEY ARE. BY THE TIME WE SAID THAT, THEY ALREADY SAID THEY WERE COMING.
AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND A CONSULTANT.
AND THEN HUD ASKED FOR AN EXTENSION.
THEN I JUST RECENTLY ASKED FOR AN EXTENSION.
AND I WANT TO THANK DORSEY AND ZIPPY BECAUSE THEY HAVE JUMPED IN AND HAVE FOUND RUNNING.
YES. AND SAID AND I SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, JUST DO THE BEST THAT YOU CAN.
AND SO WE'RE JUST DOING THE BEST THAT WE CAN AT THIS POINT.
THERE ARE FILES THAT ARE MISSING.
THERE'S A LOT OF MISSING DOCUMENTATION.
BUT IT WAS 12 YEARS AGO COMING FORWARD AND.
LET'S DO THE BEST THAT WE CAN.
WE'LL HAVE A RESOLUTION WRAPPED UP AND WE CAN MOVE FORWARD ON AND.
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ALL RIGHT. SO GOOD LUCK WITH THAT.SO THE LAST IS THE STAFF REPORT.
I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF OUR PROJECTS.
THE BIG ONE IS NUMBER FOUR HOME.
WE WERE MONITORED BY THE COUNTY FOR OUR HOME PROGRAM.
REMEMBER, WE ARE AN ENTITLEMENT FOR SHIP IN CDBG, BUT WE ARE PART OF THE BREVARD COUNTY HOME CONSORTIUM, WHICH IS PART OF INCLUDES MELBOURNE, PALM BAY, TITUSVILLE AND COCOA.
AND SO WE ARE MONITORED BY THE COUNTY AND WE RECEIVED OUR MONITORING LETTER.
WE HAD NO FINDINGS AND NO CONCERNS.
AND SO IT WAS A REALLY GREAT ACCOMPLISHMENT.
AND THAT'S WHY I MEAN, WE ARE MOVING FORWARD.
NO CONCERNS. IT'S GREAT FINDINGS.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU ALREADY APPROVED THAT OR.
OH, I APOLOGIZE. YES, THAT WAS FOR THE AC CHILLER.
OH, GREAT. I SPOKE WITH GREG THE OTHER DAY AND HE SAID THEY'RE JUST WAITING FOR IT TO COME IN.
WHICH IS GOOD BECAUSE DURING COVID THEY WERE CLOSED.
AND SO, I MEAN, IT'S GOOD THAT PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO GET OUT AND.
A LOT OF WORK THERE. DID ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING ON THE STAFF REPORT? NO QUESTION ON THE STAFF REPORT.
BUT I HAVE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, ALTHOUGH WE'LL MISS SANDRA, I'M GLAD YOU HAVE TWO AMAZING PERSON.
I'M DEFINITELY FAMILIAR WITH DORSEY.
AND SO I'M EXCITED TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS.
BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT WHAT YOU DO IS SO IMPORTANT AND YOU KNOW, WHATEVER YOU NEED, LET US KNOW THE BOARD AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO IF WE NEED TO GO IN FRONT OF COUNCIL BECAUSE WE CAN'T LET IT GO BACK.
TO THIS, WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE THIS, THE NSP IS AS WELL.
THANK YOU. I ALSO WANTED TO SAY THAT I RECEIVED AN EMAIL BECAUSE I'M ON THE FROM THE FLORIDA HOUSING COALITION THAT PALM BAY WAS ON THEIR LEADER BOARD FOR NUMBER THREE FOR ALLOCATING THE FUNDS.
SO I JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS AMAZING THAT TO SEE PALM BAY AS NUMBER THREE.
ON FRIENDS. COMING UP, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING CONFERENCE IN ORLANDO FROM AUGUST 29TH TO THE 31ST.
SEE, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA THAT THE BOARD MEMBERS GO TO THE TRAINING.
I'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THE BUDGET TO SEE I DON'T KNOW IF IF IN THE CURRENT BUDGET IT ACTUALLY GOT BUDGETED FOR BOARD MEMBERS, BUT CERTAINLY IN THE FUTURE WE WOULD BE GOOD BUDGET.
SO THE WAY THAT IT WORKS IS THERE ARE SEVERAL.
THIS IS A CONFERENCE I'VE GONE TO MANY TIMES, BUT THERE'S DIFFERENT TRACKS TYPICALLY.
IF WE SEND ONE OR TWO PEOPLE AND SAY, THESE ARE THE CLASSES THAT WE THINK, THESE ARE THE SESSIONS THAT WE THINK ARE THE MOST PRIORITY AND HAVE THEM IF WHOEVER'S GOING TO GO BE COMMITTED TO REALLY BEING PRESENT IN THOSE AND GETTING AS MUCH INFORMATION AND NETWORKING WITH AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE JUST BECAUSE THIS ONE IS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
I DID GO LOOK AT SOME OF THE SESSIONS.
I HAVEN'T DONE A REAL DEEP DIVE INTO IT, BUT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT I FELT LIKE, ESPECIALLY KNOWING THAT WE'RE ON THE LEADER BOARD, IT WOULD BE VERY GOOD FOR WHEN THEY ARE ASKING AT THESE CONFERENCES, THEY ASK WHO'S WHO'S WITH THE CITIES AND WHO'S WITH HOUSING AUTHORITIES.
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YOU KNOW, IT'S GOOD FOR US TO BE THERE AND SAY WITH THOSE INSTRUCTORS AND THE PEOPLE AND NETWORKING, I'M ON THE BOARD AT PALM BAY.I THINK THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO GET OUT THERE AND DO THAT, AS WELL AS THE KNOWLEDGE THAT WE'LL BRING BACK FROM THIS CONFERENCE, THAT CONFERENCE TYPICALLY IN ORLANDO, OR DOES IT MOVE AROUND? THAT IT'S TYPICALLY IN ORLANDO.
AND MAYBE IF WE CAN'T DO IT THIS YEAR, MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING WE COULD PLUG IN AND THAT'S GOING.
IT'S. IT'S, UH, IT'S ACTUALLY SOLD OUT FOR THIS YEAR.
I JUST LOOKED INTO IT REALLY QUICK WHILE YOU WERE TALKING.
SO IT IS SOLD OUT FOR THIS YEAR, BUT I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.
MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN PLAN FOR NEXT YEAR.
I GUESS IT'S BETTER PLANNING AND.
VERY QUICK THAT THIS. IN ADVERTISING IT FOR A WHILE.
SO THEY HAD JUST COME OUT WITH THE UPDATED AGENDA WHEN I LOOKED AT IT LAST.
SO I THINK SOME CONFERENCES LATELY ARE SCALING BACK.
AND STILL THEY THEY MAY HAVE CAPPED IT.
POSSIBLY. SO THEY HAVEN'T HAD A THEY DID VIRTUAL MEETINGS.
SO TYPICALLY WHEN THE JURISDICTIONS GET MORE SHIP FUNDS, THAT'S WHEN BECAUSE THERE WAS A YEAR, TWO YEARS AGO, WE GOT ZERO FUNDS. THEY ALWAYS TRY TO CUT THAT.
THEN ADD ANOTHER QUESTION TO YOU.
I'M SORRY. IT JUST POPPED IN MY HEAD.
AND WE WENT THROUGH SEVERAL DIFFERENT POINTS.
AND I REMEMBER THAT THERE WAS A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE HAD REQUESTED, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WE WANTED TO GET SOMEBODY TO COME IN AND GIVE US MORE INFORMATION ABOUT IT SO THAT WE COULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED ABOUT THAT.
BUT SANDRA GOT THE INFORMATION FROM THEM AND REPORTED IT AND THEN THE BOARD.
YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN THERE.
THERE WAS A DOCUMENT. DOCUMENT.
BUT I WILL SAY AND THANK YOU BECAUSE THAT REMINDS ME.
DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON ADVOCATED FOR A INCLUSIONARY HOUSING ORDINANCE.
AND SO WITH INCLUSIONARY HOUSING, IF THE CITY REQUIRES IT, THEN THE CITY HAS TO PAY THE COST OF IT.
SO WE FOUND WE RESEARCHED AND FOUND VOLUNTARY INCLUSIONARY HOUSING AND I CAN EMAIL YOU ALL.
IT'S ACTUALLY GOING FOR SECOND READING TOMORROW NIGHT.
AND SO WE DRAFT STAFF, DRAFTED A VOLUNTARY INCLUSIONARY HOUSING ORDINANCE WHERE A DEVELOPER COULD COME AND SAY, I WOULD LIKE THIS KIND OF INCENTIVE, WHETHER IT'S A DENSITY BONUS, REDUCTION OF PARKING, GREATER HEIGHT, AND WE LEFT IT AS VAGUE AS WE COULD.
AND SO THEY WOULD PROVIDE X AMOUNT OF UNITS, AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS, AND THEN THERE WOULD BE THAT INCENTIVE, WHATEVER THEY ASKED FOR, WHETHER IT WAS DENSITY OR IS ZONING ON THERE AS WELL, LIKE THE CITY OF MELBOURNE, LIKE I KNOW THE CITY OF SAINT PETE HAS DONE REALLY TAKEN THE HOUSE BILL ONE THREE, THREE NINE AND DONE WHERE YOU CAN AND WHEN IT MAKES SENSE. THEY'VE GOT GUIDELINES AND EVERYTHING, BUT WHEN IT MAKES SENSE TO DO AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT IN A INDUSTRIAL OR COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL ZONING THAT THEY'VE BEEN APPROVING THOSE, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE ON A CASE BY CASE WITH WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? ACTUALLY, IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE ON A CASE.
I MEAN, IF THEY'RE IN THAT COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL ZONING, THEY CAN STILL COME.
YOU'LL SEE E SHAW, WHICH IS OFF OF RJ CONLIN, THAT IS A ZONED INDUSTRIAL.
THEY'RE BUILDING MULTIFAMILY UNITS THERE SO THAT WITH A ZONING CHANGE OR IS THAT JUST AWESOME? AND I DON'T KNOW. I KNOW VICE MAYOR BIRD JOHNSON IS ON THE PHONE, SO MAYBE HE'S DEPUTY MAYOR.
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SURE. YEAH. I WAS WAITING FOR A MOMENT TO JUMP IN.I NEVER WANT TO INTERRUPT, BUT THANK YOU, CHAIR.
YES. SO I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK ON THE BEHALF OF COUNCIL, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, COUNCIL IS THEY'RE NOT GOING TO LOOK TO REZONE ANY COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL FOR RESIDENTIAL, EVEN IF IT'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING ONLY, MAINLY BECAUSE OF THE TAX BASE THAT WE WILL LOSE.
BUT WHAT THIS YOU KNOW, WHAT THIS INVOLUNTARY INCLUSIONARY HOUSING IS LOOKING TO DO? WE CAN'T. WELL, WE CAN'T.
THE FLORIDA STATE LEGISLATURE MADE IT WHERE IF WE DO MANDATORY INCLUSIONARY HOUSING, THIS WAS BACK IN 2019, THAT THE CITY HAS TO COVER THE COST FOR THE DEVELOPER. SO WE DON'T WANT TO BE PAYING THE COST FOR THE DEVELOPER ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT.
AND WHAT MISS NANCY WAS SAYING, BUT WHAT ALSO THE LEGISLATOR DID HELP OUT WITH IS, YOU KNOW, REZONING ITEMS OR REZONING AREAS THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, A GOOD FIT.
AND THEY'RE NOT SUPPORT ZONING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
SO I FORGOT WHAT STATUE THAT IS.
I CAN LOOK IT UP, BUT I REMEMBER THAT WAS SOMETHING WE LOOKED AT.
SO WITH THIS ORDINANCE THAT'S COMING UP FOR THE SECOND READING TOMORROW, THERE WAS MUCH DISCUSSION ON COUNCIL BECAUSE PART OF COUNCIL WANTED TO BE A LITTLE MORE STRICT.
AND THEN YOU CAN MAKE YOUR DECISION FROM THERE.
SO I HOPE THAT, YOU KNOW, GIVES A LITTLE MORE BACKGROUND.
IF NOT DEFINITELY ASK A QUESTION.
I'LL TRY TO ANSWER TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY.
I'M SORRY. I'M ALL THE QUESTIONS TODAY.
AND THE REASON IS I WAS OUT THE OTHER DAY LOOKING AT WITH MY DAUGHTER RV'S.
WE WENT AND LOOKED AND THE LADY TOOK US OUT AND SHE WAS LIKE, IS THIS TO LIVE IN OR IS THIS FOR RECREATION? AND I SAID, WELL, THAT'S KIND OF A FUNNY QUESTION.
AND I SAID, OKAY, THAT'S VERY INTERESTING.
I SAID, WHERE ARE PEOPLE PARKING THEM? WHERE ARE THEY LIVING IN THEM? BECAUSE IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AND I MAY BE WRONG, THAT IT'S LIKE YOU CAN'T JUST LET SOMEBODY PARK AN RV AT YOUR HOUSE AND LIVE IN IT.
THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S A CODE VIOLATION.
AND SO SHE SAID THAT A LOT OF THEM ARE DOING THAT, BUT MAYBE KIND OF HIDING IT, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND I ASKED I SAID, WELL, AREN'T THERE A LITTLE PARKS AROUND HERE WHERE YOU CAN? SHE SAID THAT THEY'RE ALL FULL OR THERE ARE 55 AND OVER.
WITH EVERYTHING BEING SO EXPENSIVE RIGHT NOW AND THAT POTENTIALLY BEING AN OPTION FOR SMALL FAMILIES, IS THAT SOMETHING THE CITY HAS LOOKED INTO? MAYBE CERTAIN AREAS THAT ARE MORE RURAL IN PALM BAY AND PALM BAY IS NOT RULE, BUT AREAS THAT ARE LESS DEVELOPED WHERE THERE COULD BE SOME ZONING, WHERE SOMEBODY COULD BUY A PARCEL OF LAND AND MAYBE THEY'RE ABLE TO GO AHEAD AND PUT THAT ON THERE AS A HOME RIGHT NOW OR TEMPORARY.
IS THAT ANYTHING THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT? WELL, I CAN ADD BASED ON WHAT I KNOW.
OH, WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS IS YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT PROPERTY VALUE.
YOU KNOW, WHERE IF YOU LOOK IN ALL PARTS OF PALM BAY, SOUTHEAST, SOUTHWEST, WE LITERALLY DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH RURAL RESIDENTIAL FOR THAT. AND EVEN THEN JUST BRINGING PEOPLE PROPERTY VALUE DOWN WITH PEOPLE HAVING TEN OR TWO RVS ON THERE.
BUT THE GOOD THING IS THAT THERE IS A NEW DEVELOPMENT COMING DOWN NEAR FRED POPPE REGIONAL PARK.
YEAH, RIGHT DOWN RIGHT ON THE PARKWAY THAT WILL HAVE A RV PARK.
SO THAT WAS LIKE LUXURY RV, THOUGH.
AND I KNOW THE CITY OF PALM ITSELF AT THE PARK IS PARK IS DOING THAT AS WELL.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE CALLED CAMPING, BUT LIKE CAMPGROUNDS, BUT YES.
SO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE SEWER HOOKUP AND ELECTRIC FOR RVS AT FRED POPPY PARK.
BUT YEAH, THEN THERE'S THIS OTHER ONE SHE'S TALKING ABOUT.
YEAH, I'D HEARD THAT'S LIKE SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THE BOUGIE ONE.
RV WELL YOU NEVER KNOW, BUT, BUT I THINK.
I DID. THE MARKET WILL START DICTATING SOME OF THESE NEW THINGS JUST LIKE THAT.
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WHO WOULD THINK THAT WOULD WANT TO HAVE A LUXURY RV PARK NEAR HIGH END HOMES? SO THE MARKET IS STARTING TO DICTATE.SO YOU WILL SEE NEW DEVELOPMENT COMING WITH A POD WOULD HAVE SOMETHING WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE SEVERAL OF THOSE 55 PLUS COMMUNITIES AND STUFF IN COCOA THAT WILL HAVE THOSE.
AND I THINK PALM IS COMING UP WHERE PALM BAY WILL GET MORE ADULTS AND MARKET IS GOING TO DICTATE.
I KNOW THAT IN COCOA THERE'S ONE TINY HOME AREA THAT THEY'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE IT.
AND I WAS LOOKING AT SOME OF THOSE TODAY AND THEY LOOK VERY LUXURIOUS.
SO I WAS LIKE TINY HOMES ARE YEAH OUR PRICING.
I FEAR THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE SO MANY MORE FAMILIES MOVING IN BECAUSE A SINGLE PARENT MAKING $50,000 IS THEY CANNOT AFFORD NOT ENOUGH ANYMORE, CANNOT AFFORD TO LIVE IN AN APARTMENT WITH THEIR CHILDREN.
THEY CANNOT AFFORD TO BUY A HOUSE IN THIS MARKET.
SO I JUST WONDER IF WE'RE THINKING PROGRESSIVELY ABOUT THOSE FAMILIES THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE NOWHERE TO GO AND THE RAMIFICATION ON PALM BAY AS WE POTENTIALLY HAVE MORE HOMELESS FAMILIES, BECAUSE I'M ON THE PHONE THE OTHER DAY WITH THE BREVARD HOMELESS COALITION AND THEY'RE THE AMOUNT, THE NUMBERS.
I WAS TOLD THAT WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO HOUSE OF PEOPLE THAT WERE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS HAS DRASTICALLY DROPPED IN A TIME WHERE WE'RE SEEING MORE FAMILIES AND INDIVIDUALS MOVING INTO HOMELESSNESS BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF FUNDING AND THEN THE FACT THAT EVEN IF WE HAVE FUNDING OR WE DO HAVE A VOUCHER, YOU CANNOT PLACE THEM WITH THE MARKET THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW.
AND SO I JUST THINK AS A BOARD, IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO.
AND PUT SOME SOMETHING TOGETHER TO LOOK AT SOME CREATIVE IDEAS THAT THE CITY CAN DO TO ACCOMMODATE, ESPECIALLY A SINGLE MOM THAT IS MAKING WHAT SHOULD BE A LIVING WAGE OR A SINGLE PARENT THAT'S MAKING A LIVING LIVING WAGE THAT CANNOT LIVE IN PALM BAY.
AND I THINK PALM BAY REALLY IS TAKING THE INITIATIVE BY ALLOCATING THE LEVEL OF ARPA FUNDING THAT.
SO I MEAN I THINK UNFORTUNATELY ALL THESE THINGS JUST TAKE SO LONG.
BUT I THINK PALM BAY IS KIND OF LEADING THE CHARGE THERE.
AND I CAN ADD THIS TO SO I DON'T BELIEVE THAT RV WOULD BE THE SOLUTION.
YEAH. JUST BECAUSE THE PRICE IS SO EXPENSIVE.
BUT I WOULD SAY WHAT WOULD BE NICE AND SOMETHING THAT WE COULD PROBABLY ADDRESS WITH OR OR WITH OUR ZONING DEPARTMENT IS LOOKING AT MULTIFAMILY OR MULTIFAMILY HOMES.
SO IMAGINE HAVING MORE DUPLEXES, MORE TRIPLEXES OPPORTUNITIES FOR THAT BECAUSE WE'RE ALWAYS WE'RE MOSTLY ZONED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL IN ADDITION TO THAT, HAVING OPPORTUNITIES TO HAVE MANUFACTURED HOME COMMUNITIES BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE NOT THAT I HAVE 55 AND OVER.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHY I WAS SAYING IT'S GOOD TO PROBABLY HAVE OR.
YEAH, MANAGEMENT COME TO US TO TALK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I THINK IF WE'RE LOOKING AT HOMELESSNESS, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT OPTIONS, THEY ARE THE ONES THAT HANDLE ZONING AND SEE HOW WE CAN ENCOURAGE SOME OF THESE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE WE KEEP HAVING THE DEVELOPERS COME AND THEY'LL COME WITH THEIR, YOU KNOW, APARTMENT COMPLEXES. BUT GIVEN INDIVIDUALS AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE AN INCOME PROPERTY, HAVING A DUPLEX, YOU KNOW, THAT ADDS.
SO NOW YOU HAVE THOSE EXTENDED FAMILIES THAT CAN ACTUALLY RENT BESIDE YOU.
AND I WAS GETTING READY TODAY.
I WAS JUST IN A TAMPA AFFORDABLE HOUSING BOARD MEETING AND THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE AUXILIARY DWELLINGS WE HAVE THAT I THINK THE THING THAT THEY BROUGHT UP AND IT WAS A QUESTION THAT I THOUGHT, OH MY GOSH, I DON'T KNOW HOW PALM BAY HANDLES THIS, BUT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT IF IT WAS ADDED TO THE PROPERTY AND THE PROPERTY WAS HOMESTEADED, THAT IT COULD TRIGGER A NEW ASSESSMENT OF THE WHOLE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY AND THAT PERSON COULD LOSE THEIR HOMESTEAD
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VALUE. SO IT WAS SOMETHING AND I'M GLAD THAT YOU GUYS JUST MADE ME THINK ABOUT BECAUSE I WROTE A NOTE VICIOUSLY IN THAT TAMPA MEETING.I NEED TO ASK ABOUT THIS, BUT I WONDER IF WE CAN LOOK INTO IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO BUILD AN AUXILIARY.
BUT I WONDER, CAN WE LOOK INTO HOW THAT ACTUALLY AFFECTS A HOMESTEADED PROPERTY IN BREVARD? BECAUSE FINANCIALLY, IF SOMEBODY IS TRYING TO DO SOMETHING GOOD LIKE THAT, THEY WANT THAT EXTRA INCOME.
THEY COULD POTENTIALLY END UP HURTING THEMSELVES.
YEAH, IF THEIR TAXES DRASTICALLY GO UP BECAUSE OF IT.
SO TAMPA WAS LOOKING AT AND I CAN'T REMEMBER ALL THE NOTES, BUT SOMETHING ABOUT JUST DOING A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT ON THE NEW ADDED PROPERTY OR THEY WERE LOOKING AT MAYBE SEPARATING THAT INTO IT.
THEY WERE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND AGAIN, I WISH I WAS THAT WAS MORE OF MY EXPERTISE, BUT I JUST KNOW THAT IT WAS BROUGHT UP IN THERE AND I THOUGHT THAT IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR ME TO BRING BACK THAT IF THAT WAS SOMETHING WE WANTED, HAVE RESIDENTS BE ABLE TO DO, MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROTECTING THE VALUE OF THEIR HOMESTEADED VALUE SOME WAY? I THINK DEPUTY MAYOR, I THINK HE HAD AN ORDINANCE THAT WAS GOING TO MENTION THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
I WASN'T SURE IF THE RV WAS AN ELIGIBLE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, BUT LAST YEAR COUNCIL DID PASS THAT TO WHERE YOU COULD ADD A UNIT ONTO YOUR SINGLE FAMILY.
I'M JUST NOT SURE IF RV WAS ELIGIBLE OR NOT, BUT I HAVE NOTICED A LOT MORE.
SO THERE IS DEFINITELY IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
I SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN IT AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ORIGINALLY JANUARY.
IT IS JULY AND I STILL HAVE NOT CLOSED YET.
PEOPLE ARE JUST, YOU KNOW, OUTBIDDING OTHER PEOPLE AND THEN IT'S JUST NOT AFFORDABLE.
WHO WOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER CURE'S QUESTION ABOUT THE HOMESTEADING CONTROLS ON TAP, LIKE THE PROPERTY MIGHT BE A PROPERTY APPRAISER OR NOT? YEAH, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONES THAT DETERMINE THE ACCESSORY UNIT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW WE COULD AVOID THAT BECAUSE THEY LOOK AT ALL OF THE PERMITS THAT WERE PULLED.
SO IF THEY PULLED A PERMIT FOR THAT UNIT AND THE VALUE WAS X DOLLARS, THEY ARE GOING TO TRIGGER THE.
IT'S LIKE IF YOU ADDED A POOL, I MEAN, WHETHER IT I'M THINKING LIKE A POOL WOULDN'T CHANGE YOUR.
SO ARE THEY TRYING TO DEVELOP IN PALM BAY, ARE THEY? OH, ABSOLUTELY, YES.
YEAH. SO WE DO HAVE AREAS OF PALM BAY.
IS THAT AREAS OF PALM BAY THAT ARE.
AND SO THEY'RE JUST THE 600, 800 SQUARE FOOT RANGE.
AND A LOT OF THEM TIMES THEY'RE ON VERY SMALL LOTS.
SO THE AREA WHERE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE RV PARK IS ALSO THAT THEY'RE CALLED CASITAS.
AND SO DEVELOPERS ARE DEFINITELY TRYING TO GET CREATIVE.
I MEAN, AND AS YOU KNOW, ENTIRE SUBDIVISION D.R.
ELUSIVE FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
AND SO THE ENTIRE SUBDIVISION IS A RENTAL SUBDIVISION.
HEDGE FUND THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA, NOT D.R.
HORTON. BUT BUT, YOU KNOW, IT WORKS.
I HAVE MIXED FEELINGS REGARDS TO THAT, BUT I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND THE NEED THAT'S HERE.
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BUT YEAH, KUDOS TO DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON FOR CHAMPIONING THOSE TWO ORDINANCES, WHICH IS CRITICAL IN ADDRESSING THE NEEDS.JUST TO ADD TO IT BRIEFLY, I DON'T WANT TO HOLD US UP, BUT YEAH, ONE ONE GENTLEMAN IS LOOKING TO USE EXISTING PROPERTY IN THE CITY TO DO A TINY HOME COMMUNITY.
ANOTHER ONE IS LOOKING AT POSSIBLY ANNEXING PROPERTY INTO THE CITY OF PALM BAY TO DO IT.
THE TWO I'VE SPOKEN WITH ARE LIKE VERY INTERESTED IN BUILDING TINY HOME COMMUNITIES THAT ARE SUSTAINABLE FOR THE, YOU KNOW, THE SINGLE FAMILY, YOU KNOW, THE SMALLER FAMILIES, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T FIT A FAMILY OF FOUR IN A TINY HOME.
BUT FOR THE, YOU KNOW, MOTHER WITH ONE OR TWO CHILDREN, THAT'S MORE IDEAL.
AND HOPEFULLY IT MAKES ITS WAY BEFORE US AND BEFORE COUNCIL.
WHAT I DO NOTICE, TOO, IS THAT OTHER COUNTRIES ARE BEING CREATIVE.
THEY'RE DOING A LOT OF THE CONTAINER THING HOUSING THAT LOOKS GREAT.
AND SO THEY'RE REALLY BEING CREATIVE.
SO I THINK I BELIEVE THE MARKET IS JUST GOING TO START DICTATING IT AS PEOPLE JUST REALIZING THAT IT IS AN ISSUE, ESPECIALLY OUR YOUNG PEOPLE WHO JUST LITERALLY WILL NOT LEAVE OUR HOUSES, GOING TO STAY, JUST NOWHERE TO GO.
AND WHO'S GOING TO PAY 1900 DOLLARS FOR, YOU KNOW, A TWO BEDROOM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? SO I'M GLAD FOR WHAT WE DO, THE LITTLE THAT WE DO HERE.
AND I DO HOPE THAT WE CAN GET MORE FUNDS IN TO SEE HOW BEST WE CAN STRESS.
WE HAVE ANY MORE COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD THIS EVENING.
MR. JOHNSON, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE ADJOURN? OH, NO, I'M ALL SET.
THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, WELL, I'M GOING TO ADJOURN THE MEETING AT 709.
THANK YOU, GUYS.
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