Aug 31, 2022 City Council Workshop

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OKAY. IT'S 1800 HOURS.

[CALL TO ORDER]

I'M GOING TO ASK BEFORE ROLL CALL IF YOU ALL RISE AND COUNCILMAN FOSTER WILL LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

BUT. EVOLUTION IS A PRODUCT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

PROF. MISS JONES.

ROLL CALL. MARY MEDINA PRESIDENT.

MARY JOHNSON. COUNCILMAN FOSTER.

YEAH. COUNCILMAN FELIX HERE.

COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO SHERMAN.

HERE. SMITH HERE.

HEY. THANK YOU. AT THIS WORKSHOP, WE HAVE ONE ITEM OF BUSINESS, AND I'M GOING TO YIELD TO OUR CITY MANAGER, MISS SHERMAN.

[1. Discussion of impact fees, balances and projects; and strategies to meet the City's growth needs of providing police and fire services.]

THEY DO ALL HAVE SOME INTERCONNECTIVITY.

THE FIRST TOPIC WE'RE GOING TO COVER IS A BROAD OVERVIEW OF IMPACT FEES, THINGS THAT THEY CAN BE USED FOR, THE PURPOSE OF IMPACT FEES AND A FEW OTHER DETAILS.

THEN WE'RE GOING TO DIVE RIGHT INTO THE REQUESTED DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW WE CAN BEGIN TO MEET SOME OF THE MANY POLICE AND FIRE NEEDS THAT ARE RELATED TO THE GROWTH OF OUR CITY. YOU WILL ULTIMATELY END UP WITH FOUR PRESENTATIONS.

STANTEC WILL FIRST KICK IT OFF.

PETER NAPOLI IS ATTENDING VIRTUALLY TO PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF IMPACT FEES.

WE'LL FOLLOW HIS PRESENTATION UP WITH OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT AND OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND I WILL ROUND OUT WITH THE FOURTH PRESENTATION AND GIVE YOU SOME RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO WITH THAT, I WILL ACTUALLY TURN IT OVER TO PETER AND I WILL TELL EVERYONE.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE AUDIO IS A LITTLE TRICKY.

SO IF YOU CAN SPEAK REAL CLOSE TO THE MIC, WHEN YOU WHEN YOU ASK QUESTIONS OF HIM LATER, WE WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.

SO, PETER, IF YOU CAN HEAR US, IT'S ALL YOURS.

ALL RIGHT. SOUNDS GOOD. THANK YOU, MADAM CITY MANAGER.

GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY.

THIS IS PETER NAPOLI WITH SANTA CONSULTING.

I'VE GOT A BRIEF PRESENTATION FOR YOU GUYS THAT GIVES YOU AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT IMPACT FEES ARE, WHAT THEY'RE USED FOR, WHAT LAWS DICTATE, HOW YOU CAN USE THEM.

AND THEN AN EXAMPLE OF HOW SOME EXAMPLES OF HOW IMPACT FEES ARE CALCULATED.

SO JUST BEFORE I GO ON, CAN EVERYONE HEAR ME ALL RIGHT? YES, SIR. WE COPY YOU WELL.

OK. SO TO START, WHAT IS AN IMPACT TO ME? AND IN THE MOST SIMPLEST TERMS, AN IMPACT FEE IS A CHARGE THAT PAYS FOR NEW FACILITIES TO SERVE GROWTH.

IT'S AN ALTERNATIVE TO RAISING PROPERTY TAXES.

SO IT'S A FUNDING SOURCE OUTSIDE OF PROPERTY TAXES THAT THE CITY HAS CONTROL OVER AND CAN USE TO FUND VERY SPECIFIC TYPES OF FACILITIES.

AND THE WAY IT IS ADMINISTERED, IT'S A ONE TIME PAYMENT IMPOSED ON A PROPERTY DEVELOPER.

SO THE FLORIDA IMPACT FEE ACT, CHAPTER 163 IN THE FLORIDA STATE STATUTES.

ONE 63.3 101.

THIS IS THE SECTION OF THE FLORIDA STATE STATUTES THAT DICTATES HOW IMPACT FEES ARE USED AND WHAT CRITERIA THEY MUST MEET.

SO THERE ARE THREE MAIN CRITERIA POINTS.

AND THE FIRST IS THAT THE CALCULATION MUST BE BASED ON THE MOST RECENT AND LOCALIZED DATA.

THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE SOME IMPACT FEES.

SOME CITIES GO A VERY LONG TIME WITHOUT UPDATING THEIR IMPACT FEES, AND THINGS CHANGE OVER THE COURSE OF TIME.

THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF A CITY, THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, THE COST OF SERVICE.

ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE IMPORTANT COMPONENTS OF CALCULATING AN IMPACT FEE.

SO THE FLORIDA IMPACT ACT STATES THAT IMPACT FEE SHOULD BE BASED ON THE MOST RECENT AND LOCALIZED DATA.

THE SECOND CRITERIA IS THAT IMPACT FEES MUST MEET A RATIONAL NEXUS WITH THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL FACILITIES AND THE INCREASED IMPACT FROM NEW CONSTRUCTION.

SO THAT MEANS IS THERE MUST BE A CONNECTION BETWEEN THE NEED FOR NEW CAPITAL AND THE IMPACT OF NEW CONSTRUCTION.

YOU KNOW, THE GOAL OF AN IMPACT FEE IS TO RECOVER THE COST OF ADDING ADDITIONAL CAPITAL, EXPANDING FACILITIES IN ORDER TO IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE NEW CONSTRUCTION.

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YOU CAN'T JUST. TO GET IMPACT OUT OF THIN AIR.

IT'S GOING TO BE $100 A UNIT.

IT HAS TO HAVE SOME KIND OF CALCULATION BEHIND IT THAT SHOWS THAT WE'RE YOU'RE CALCULATING THE COST OF INCREASING CAPACITY AND THEN THE ACCOUNTING AND REPORTING OF IMPACT FEES SHOULD BE KEPT IN A SEPARATE ACCOUNTING FUND BECAUSE IMPACT FEES CAN'T BE USED FOR EVERYTHING.

SO IF THEY ARE JUST FUNNELED INTO ONE BIG SLUSH FUND, THEY YOU'LL LOSE TRACK OF WHERE THE IMPACT FEES ARE, MAYBE IN WHAT THEY'RE BEING SPENT ON, SO THEY CAN ONLY BE SPENT ON SPECIFIC THINGS.

SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THEY'RE ACCOUNTED FOR SEPARATELY.

SO THIS IS A LITTLE EXERCISE THAT WE HAVE ON THIS SLIDE.

CAN AN IMPACT FEE PAY FOR THIS? SO IN THIS SITUATION, THE CITY HAS EXPERIENCED SIGNIFICANT GROWTH AND NEEDS A NEW POLICE OFFICER TO KEEP UP WITH THE DEMAND FOR SERVICES BECAUSE OF GROWTH. NOW AN IMPACT FEE CAN'T PAY FOR THAT BECAUSE IMPACT FEES DON'T PAY FOR OPERATING EXPENSES.

YOU CAN'T USE IMPACT FEES FOR YOUR OPERATING BUDGETS SUCH AS PERSONNEL, OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE, ETC..

IMPACT FEES HAVE A DIFFERENT USE.

SO HERE'S THE SECOND SCENARIO.

A LARGE DEVELOPMENT IS OCCURRING IN THE CITY.

THE CITY NEEDS A NEW FIRE STATION.

AND IN ORDER TO SERVE THIS NEW AREA OF GROWTH, YES, AN IMPACT FEE CAN BE USED TO FUND THIS NEW FIRE STATION BECAUSE IT'S NECESSARY TO SERVE A NEW AREA OF GROWTH AND BECAUSE IT IS A PUBLIC FACILITY THAT HAS A LIFE EXPECTANCY OF AT LEAST FIVE YEARS.

SO THAT'S A PRETTY IMPORTANT QUALIFIER.

SO OTHER THINGS THAT CAN BE FUNDED BY IMPACT FEES INCLUDE VEHICLES, OTHER TYPES OF BUILDINGS AND INFRASTRUCTURE, ALL MAJOR ASSETS.

SO HOW IS AN IMPACT FEE CALCULATED? AT FIRST YOU ESTABLISHED THE COST OF FACILITIES.

SO IN THIS SCENARIO, THE COST OF THE FACILITIES IS $1 MILLION.

IN THESE FACILITIES, THIS FACILITY COSTS CAN EITHER REPRESENT EXISTING FACILITIES OR FUTURE FACILITIES.

IN THE CASE OF EXISTING FACILITIES, YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOUR FIXED ASSETS.

SO ALL OF THE ASSETS THAT YOU'VE ACQUIRED FOR THE SPECIFIC SERVICE THAT THIS IMPACT FEE IS IS BEING DEVELOPED FOR.

SO IF IT WAS FOR POLICE OR PUBLIC SAFETY, YOU WOULD LOOK AT ALL OF THE CURRENT FIXED ASSETS THAT ARE ACTIVE AND THAT WOULD BE THE BASIS FOR THE COST OF THE FEE.

IF AND THAT'S FROM THE EXISTING BASIS, YOU ALSO HAVE THE OPTION OF LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE.

SO YOU COULD TAKE THE POLICE SHIP.

SO THEY PROBABLY HAVE A 5 TO 10 YEAR CAPITAL PROGRAM THAT INCLUDES ALL OF THEIR NEEDS FOR VEHICLES AND FACILITIES. YOU COULD USE THAT AS THE COST BASIS FOR THE IMPACT FEE AS WELL.

THEN YOU LOOK AT THE CAPACITY.

SO. GIVEN THESE FACILITIES, WHAT IS THE CAPACITY OF THE SERVICE? AND YOU MEASURE IT IN UNITS AND THIS IS WHERE IT GETS A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED ON THE BACK END WHEN WE DO THESE STUDIES.

BUT WE HAVE TO MEASURE THE CAPACITY OF YOUR CURRENT SYSTEM AND HOW MANY PEOPLE OR HOW MANY UNITS OF DEVELOPMENT ARE BEING SERVED.

SO IN THIS CASE THERE WE IDENTIFIED 10,000 UNITS OF CAPACITY.

THAT GIVES US A FEE OF $100 PER UNIT BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE FEE CALCULATION IS THE COST OF FACILITIES DIVIDED BY THE CAPACITY TO GET A FEE PER UNIT.

SO SOME OF THE EXAMPLES OF CAPACITY UNITS, FUNCTIONAL POPULATION IS OFTEN USED FOR FIRE, POLICE, PARKS AND RECREATION TREATMENT AND TRANSMISSION CAPACITY THAT'S USED FOR WATER AND SEWER IMPACT FEES AND THEN VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED.

THAT'S USED FOR TRANSPORTATION OR MOBILITY IMPACT FEES.

THE COST PER UNIT IS APPLIED IN A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT WAYS, DEPENDING ON THE LAND USE AND PROPERTY SIZE.

OFTEN FOR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES AND IMPACT FEE IS APPLIED PER DWELLING UNIT.

SO IF IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE, THEY GET THEY PAY $100.

IF IT'S A DUPLEX, THEY PAY $200.

IF IT'S A TEN UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX, THEY PAY $1,000.

AND THEN ON THE NON RESIDENTIAL SIDE, THE, THE FEE IS SCALED PER SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THAT COULD BE IT COULD BE A FEE PER SQUARE FOOT PER

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SO ALL THIS IS MEANT TO REPRESENT THAT THE DEMAND FOR ADDITIONAL CAPACITY THAT IS BROUGHT ON BY NEW DEVELOPMENT SCALES.

SO A NEW, A NEW HOUSING DEVELOPMENT WITH 200 UNITS IS BRINGS A DIFFERENT NEED FOR CAPACITY THAN A11 RETAIL STORE SOMEWHERE.

SO IT ALL HAS TO SCALE DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT RESIDENTIAL VERSUS NON RESIDENTIAL.

SO THIS IS THIS IS JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF A CALCULATION.

OF AN IMPACT FEE.

SO THIS CASE STUDY HERE IS FOR A LAW ENFORCEMENT IMPACT FEE.

UNDER THIS SCENARIO, WE'RE USING THE BUY IN COST METHODOLOGY.

AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS THE EXISTING FACILITY COST METHODOLOGY.

SO IN THIS CITY, THERE'S EXCESS CAPACITY THAT EXISTS, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THEY JUST BUILT A BRAND NEW POLICE HEADQUARTERS WITH EXPANDED FOOTPRINT, BUILDING FOOTPRINT TO SERVE THEIR CURRENT RESIDENTS.

AND THEY OUTFITTED THIS BUILDING SO THAT IT COULD SERVE GROWTH FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS.

SO WE BUILT THE IMPACT FEE BASED OFF OF EXISTING FACILITY COSTS.

WE LOOKED AT ALL OF THEIR FACILITIES AND IT TURNS OUT $4 MILLION WERE ELIGIBLE AND $4 MILLION IN FACILITY COSTS WERE ELIGIBLE TO BE INCLUDED IN THE IMPACT FEE. AN IMPORTANT THING TO POINT OUT, A CREDIT WAS UTILIZED FOR OUTSTANDING PRINCIPAL ON DEBT.

THIS IS ONE OF THE WEIRD QUIRKS OF IMPACT FEES.

YOU CAN'T UTILIZE THE COST OF A FACILITY IF THERE'S OUTSTANDING DEBT FOR IT.

SO WHAT THEY DID IS THEY DEBT FUNDED THEIR POLICE HEADQUARTERS AND THEY THEY TOOK OUT A LOAN OVER 20 YEARS FOR THEIR POLICE HEADQUARTERS. WE HAVE TO CREDIT THE COST OF THAT POLICE HEADQUARTERS IN THE FACILITY IN THE IMPACT FEE CALCULATION, BECAUSE FUTURE RESIDENTS WILL PAY FOR THE DEBT IN EACH YEAR.

YOU DON'T WANT TO DOUBLE CHARGE RESIDENTS AND FUTURE RESIDENTS FOR THE COST OF FACILITIES.

YOU DIVIDE THAT BY THE EXISTING UNIT SERVED.

THEN WE WE GET THERE BY DOING A DETAILED PROPERTY DATA ANALYSIS.

AND THAT GIVES US IT GAVE US, IN THIS CASE, A FEE PER RESIDENTIAL HOUSEHOLD, $361 AND THEN $0.25 PER NON RESIDENTIAL SQUARE FOOT.

SO THIS IS JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF HOW A AN IMPACT FEE COULD BE CALCULATED FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT BASED ON A BUY IN COST METHODOLOGY.

BUT THERE'S MANY DIFFERENT APPROACHES AND STYLES TO CALCULATING THESE IMPACT FEES DEPENDING ON THE SITUATION THAT THE CITY IS IN.

SO AN IMPORTANT THING TO GO OVER IS HOUSE BILL 337.

SOME OF YOU MAY MAY BE AWARE THAT THIS BILL WAS PASSED LAST YEAR, ON JUNE 4TH BY THE GOVERNOR, AND IT INCLUDED SOME SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THE FLORIDA IMPACT FEE LAW.

SO ONE OF THE MODIFICATIONS WAS PHASE IN LIMITATIONS ON INCREASES WHICH PREVIOUSLY DIDN'T EXIST.

SO THERE WERE A LOT OF CITIES AND COUNTIES ACROSS THE STATE THAT WERE KIND OF CHOOSING ARBITRARY AMOUNTS TO INCREASE THEIR IMPACT FEES AT WITHOUT ANY JUSTIFICATION OR OR BACKUP.

OR THERE WERE SOME THAT JUST DECIDED WE WANT OUR IMPACT FEES TO GO UP 50% NEXT YEAR.

YOU CAN'T YOU COULDN'T DO THAT.

I DIDN'T THINK YOU COULD. BUT I GUESS SOME CITIES WERE DOING IT.

SO THEY HAD TO PUT IT EXPLICITLY IN LAW THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE LIMITATIONS ON INCREASES.

SO WHAT THE LIMITATIONS ARE, IF THE CITY WANTS TO ADOPT A INCREASE OF ANYWHERE BELOW 25%, IT NEEDS TO BE IN TWO EQUAL ANNUAL INCREMENTS.

SO THAT MEANS ONE YEAR OF 12 AND A HALF PERCENT IN ANOTHER YEAR OF 12 AND ONE HALF PERCENT IF THE INCREASE IS 25%.

IF THE INCREASE IS ANYWHERE BETWEEN 25% AND 50%, IT HAS TO BE IN FOR EQUAL ANNUAL INCREMENTS.

INCREASES ABOVE 50% ARE NOT ALLOWED.

AND THEN THE CITIES CAN ONLY INCREASE THE IMPACT.

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NOW THERE ARE GUIDELINES FOR EXCEEDING THESE LIMITATIONS.

AND WHAT THE WHAT THE LAW SAYS THE STATE STATUTES SAY YOU CITY MAY EXCEED THE PHASE IN LIMITATIONS IF THEY HAVE A A STUDY PERFORMED WHICH DEMONSTRATES EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES AND TWO PUBLICLY NOTICED WORKSHOPS AND TWO THIRDS APPROVAL BY THEIR VOTING BOARD OR GOVERNING BODY.

SO SO SO YOU'RE THERE IS A LOOPHOLE TO GO AROUND THIS AND THERE ISN'T A WHOLE LOT OF CASE LAW ON IT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT'S VERY NEW.

BUT I WAS ACTUALLY WORKING WITH THE CITY WHEN THIS CAME OUT, SO WE, MYSELF AND THE CITY ATTORNEY, HAD TO TRY AND NAVIGATE THE SITUATION AND FIGURE OUT IF IF THE CITY HAD TO FOLLOW THESE RESTRICTIONS OR NOT, BECAUSE IN THEIR CASE, THEY WERE ADOPTING 150% IMPACT FEE INCREASE.

THEY HADN'T LOOKED AT THEIR IMPACT FEES SINCE 2005.

SO WHAT WE CAME UP WITH IS SOME SAMPLES OF EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES THAT MAY QUALIFY A CITY TO EXCEED THOSE LIMITATIONS.

ONE BEING THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT UPDATES TO COST OF FACILITIES.

SO IF THE IMPACT FEES ARE CREATED A LONG TIME AGO AND THE COST OF FACILITIES, THE COST OF SERVICE IS EXTRAORDINARILY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT IT WAS WHEN THE IMPACT FEES WERE ADOPTED.

THAT'S ONE ONE REASON WHY THIS CITY MAY QUALIFY FOR EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES, AND IT WOULD HAVE TO BE DETAILED IN A REPORT PROVIDED BY A CONSULTANT AND AN IMPACT FEE STUDY.

BECAUSE THE SITUATION IS IF THE IMPACT FEES REPRESENT A VERY OLD INSUFFICIENT COST OF SERVICE, THEN THE THE THING THAT'S HAPPENING IS THE EXISTING TAXPAYERS ARE FUNDING THE GAP.

SO THERE'S GROWTH THAT'S HAPPENING, THERE'S IMPACT FEES THAT ARE BEING COLLECTED.

BUT THOSE IMPACT FEES MIGHT NOT ACTUALLY REPRESENT THE COST OF GROWTH.

SO IF THEY'RE NOT ACCURATELY REPRESENTING THE COST OF GROWTH, THE EXISTING TAXPAYERS FUND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT YOU'RE COLLECTING AND IMPACT FEES AND THE NEW FACILITIES THAT YOU NEED TO ACCOMMODATE GROWTH.

ANOTHER REASON IS THAT MAYBE THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT UPDATES TO GROWTH IN THE PROPERTY MIX.

SO THE THE DEVELOPMENT PROFILE OF A CITY FACTORS INTO THE CALCULATION OF AN IMPACT FEE.

AND OVER TIME THE DEVELOPMENT PROFILE OF A CITY CAN CHANGE DRASTICALLY.

YOU CAN EXPERIENCE MUCH MORE NON RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, MUCH MORE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT, HIGHER DENSITY OR OR MAYBE IT'S MORE SPRAWL AND BIGGER NEIGHBORHOODS AND MORE GATED RESIDENTIAL TYPE DEVELOPMENT.

SO THE DEVELOPMENT PROFILE FACTORS IN IF THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF CHANGE IN A CITY, THAT THAT'S ONE THING THAT WE THINK COULD QUALIFY FOR EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES.

AND THEN IF THE IMPACT FEES ARE ARBITRARY OR IF THERE'S INSUFFICIENT DOCUMENTATION, I WAS WORKING WITH A CLIENT THAT THEY COULDN'T EVEN FIND THE CALCULATION THAT THAT WAS BEHIND THEIR IMPACT FEES.

ALL THEY KNEW THAT IT WAS $50 A HOUSE AND 20 AND $0.20 OR SOMETHING, A SQUARE FOOT.

AND THEY HAD NO RECORD OF HOW THEY CAME TO THAT AND NO FILING ON IT.

SO OBVIOUSLY THEY NEEDED TO UPDATE THEIR IMPACT FEES AND IT TURNS OUT THEIR IMPACT FEES WERE MUCH HIGHER OR WE COULD SUPPORT IN FACT, FEES MUCH HIGHER THAN THAT.

AND SO THAT'S THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE FELT THAT THEY QUALIFIED FOR EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES.

SO SO THAT'S IT.

THAT'S THAT'S THE END OF THE PRESENTATION I HAD FOR YOU GUYS.

BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT IMPACT FEES.

AND WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU GUYS.

SO I'D LIKE TO ASK A DEPUTY MAYOR AND THEN I'LL JUST TURN IT OVER.

BUT MY MY QUESTION, PETER, IS WITH SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES AND THE COST OF EVERYTHING AND I KNOW THAT WE HAD RECENTLY DONE OUR IMPACT FEES CHANGE.

I THINK IT WAS 2019 OR 2020, 2019 BECAUSE OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES IN JUST A FEW SHORT YEARS, WE WOULD HAVE TO STUDY THIS TO SEE IF WE CAN INCREASE THOSE.

IS THAT, IN MY UNDERSTANDING, YOU CORRECTLY? I'M SORRY. I ONLY HEARD SOME OF THAT, BUT I THINK.

LET ME TRY AND ANSWER. I THINK I MIGHT HAVE HEARD THE QUESTION AND IT DOES IT HAVE TO DO WITH WHAT YOU CAN USE AND IMPACT FEE ON WHAT PROJECTS.

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AND I'M JUST ASKING, I THINK BECAUSE OF EVERYTHING THAT'S COSTING MORE SUPPLY CHAIN CHALLENGES AND ALL THAT, I THINK ARE WOULD WE QUALIFY TO RAISE OUR IMPACT FEES? YEAH, I WOULD BELIEVE.

I MEAN, I COULDN'T TELL YOU RIGHT OFF THE BAT, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE ANOTHER IMPACT FEE STUDY AND THE THE UPDATE THE STUDY ITSELF COULD QUALIFY YOU.

SO SO BASICALLY WHAT THE STATE IS SAYING IS THAT YOU CAN'T JUST RAISE THE IMPACT.

YOU HAVE CERTAIN LIMITS IF YOU WANT TO JUST RAISE THE IMPACT FEES WITHOUT A STUDY TO SUPPORT IT.

BUT IF YOU DID PERFORM A NEW STUDY, SAY NEXT YEAR, THEY THE CONSULTANT WOULD LOOK AT THE COST OF FACILITIES AS OF TODAY AND THE COST OF SERVICE AS OF TODAY.

AND THAT WOULD FACTOR INTO THE CALCULATION OF THE IMPACT FEE.

SO IT MAY BE THAT IT'S MUCH HIGHER THAN IT WAS IN 2019.

I JUST I COULDN'T GUARANTEE THAT.

OKAY. THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR.

THAT'S RIGHT. DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON.

THAT'S RIGHT. ALONG THE SAME WAVELENGTH I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT MAYOR, BUT ALSO DEPENDING ON HOW HOW LONG OR HOW SOON IT TAKES FOR THE IMPACT FEE STUDY TO BE COMPLETED, WE MIGHT ALREADY BE AT THE FOUR YEAR MARK, SO WE COULD PROBABLY JUST GO RIGHT INTO IT.

SO THAT'S THE ONLY OTHER THING I WAS LOOKING AT AS WELL.

BUT NOW I'M GOOD.

THANK YOU. GREAT, GREAT PRESENTATION, MR. PETER. I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING.

OUR COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO.

OH, THANK YOU, MAYOR. AND THANK YOU, MR. NAPOLI. SO KIND OF GOING WHERE THE DEPUTY MAYOR IS HERE.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S WORTHY FOR US TO PAY FOR AN IMPACT FEE STUDY.

I FEEL THAT WE PROBABLY DO THIS IN-HOUSE.

I MEAN, WE'VE HAD AN INCREASE IN MULTIFAMILY WHERE WE'VE CHANGED THE DENSITY OF MANY, MANY, MANY PIECES OF PROPERTY.

WE HAVE WE'VE HAD SOME URBAN SPRAWL AS WELL WHEN WE EXPANDED OUT INTO THE SOUTHEAST AREA WITH THE ST JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY.

AND ALSO NOW THAT THAT MAY HAVE MENTIONED THE SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES, I MEAN, THERE'S A THREE BIG THINGS RIGHT THERE WHERE WE CAN PROBABLY INCREASE OUR OUR IMPACT FEES DUE TO THE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES.

SO AND ALSO WITH THE WE'RE ALMOST AT THAT ONE YEAR MARK.

SO BY THE TIME WE'RE SAID AND DONE, WE CAN GET OUR OUR NEW IMPACT FEES STUFF IN THERE.

SO THAT'S REALLY A COMMENT I HAVE.

I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO WAIT TILL THE END ON THAT OR DO IT NOW.

DOES IT HAVE TO DO WITH IMPACT FEES? IT DOES, SIR, BUT. ALL RIGHT, SO CARRY ON.

OKAY. WHO DO YOU WANT TO ASK? I START WITH THE CITY MANAGER HERE, MADAM.

SO MY PRIMARY QUESTION HERE IN READING THROUGH THE ORDINANCE IS A17 1.08 EF ONE, A RETURN OF IMPACT FEES IF NOT SPENT.

SO ANY FEES ARE COLLECTED SHALL BE RETURNED TO THE FEE PAYER OR HIS SUCCESSOR AND INTEREST IF THE FEES HAVE NOT BEEN SPENT WITHIN SEVEN YEARS.

HAS THAT HAPPENED ANY TIME SINCE YOUR TENURE HERE, MISS SHERMAN? NO. AND I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY TIMES IN THE PAST EITHER.

BUT NO, IT HAS NOT HAPPENED SINCE I'VE BEEN CITY MANAGER.

THANK YOU, MISS SHERMAN. AND ALSO MY NEXT QUESTION IS, DOES THE OPPOSITE? HAVEN'T IT HAPPENED? IF WE ISSUE A CREDIT TO A DEVELOPER, DO THEY HAVE SEVEN YEARS TO USE THAT CREDIT? NOW. I THINK THE STATE A CITY ATTORNEY CAN CERTAINLY CLARIFY, BUT THE STATE LAW SUPERSEDES HOW THAT'S HANDLED.

WHERE WE WOULD HAVE CONTRACTS AND WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, LOOK, GOVERNMENTS WOULD TRY TO LIMIT HOW LONG OR THEY WOULD HAVE BEFORE THE CREDITS WOULD EXPIRE OR IF THEY COULD ASSIGN. BUT NOW THE LAW ALLOWS THEM TO ASSIGN THESE CREDITS FREELY, AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY ABILITY TO PUT RESTRICTIONS ON THEM.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SO SHOULD ALSO THIS COUNCIL SHOULD CONSIDER THEN POSSIBLY REMOVING SECTION F1A OF 171.08 REGARDING THE SEVEN YEARS FROM THE DATE FOR FOR US TO RETURN IMPACT FEES.

ALSO, I WANT TO GO INTO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS REAL QUICK.

MY LAST QUESTION HERE, 4171.27 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.

EVERYONE HERE KNOWS THAT MAINTENANCE IS NOT INCLUDED IN IMPACT FOR THE IMPACT FEES.

SO MY MY QUESTION IS AND I'VE ONLY SEEN AN ORDINANCE.

SO IS THIS A CITY ORDINANCE WHERE MAINTENANCE IS NOT INCLUDED OR IS IT A STATE STATE STATUTE? THE STATUTE BECAUSE THE DEFINITION OF INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU NEED A PUBLIC.

FACILITY. YOU NEED SOME TYPE OF INFRASTRUCTURE BECAUSE MAINTENANCE IS SOMETHING THAT'S EXISTING.

THE WHOLE POINT PROCESS BECAUSE BEFORE WE EVEN HAD A STATUTE, IT WAS REALLY BASED UPON CASE LAW IS THAT YOU'RE ATTEMPTING TO MAKE NOT HAVE THE TAXPAYERS, THE EXISTING RATEPAYERS BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE NEW PEOPLE COMING IN.

BUT MAINTENANCE IS THINGS THAT ARE AN OBLIGATION YOU ALREADY HAVE.

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IT HAS TO BE SPECIFIC.

IF YOU DON'T USE YOU DON'T ACTUALLY CORRECTLY DO AN IMPACT FEE.

IT BECOMES AN ILLEGAL TAX BECAUSE CITIES AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO CREATE THEIR OWN TAXES.

YOU CAN ONLY TAX AS PROVIDED BY A STATE LAW.

SO ANY MAINTENANCE IS AN OBLIGATION THAT WE HAVE.

PERIOD IS NOT BECAUSE NEW PEOPLE ARE COMING IN.

WE HAVE THAT OBLIGATION ANYWAY.

UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU, MADAM ATTORNEY.

I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. THE REASON WHY I ASKED THAT QUESTION IS BECAUSE WHEN A NEW DEVELOPMENT COMES IN AND WE JUST PUT IT IN A NEW ROAD, THAT 40,000 OR £50,000 TRUCK IS GOING TO BE DRIVING ON THAT NEW ROAD TO BUILD THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT.

SO THAT'S WHY I WANT TO BRING THE MAINTENANCE ASPECT OF UP TO THIS COUNCIL AND JUST SEE IF IT WAS AN ORDINANCE OR IF IT WAS STATE STATUTE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR CLARIFICATION.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO.

ANYONE ELSE WISH TO WEIGH IN? COUNCILMAN. FELIX, I HAVE A QUESTION.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. PETER, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.

IT'S AN EXCELLENT JOB.

MAKE IT CLEAR FOR US WHAT AN IMPACT FEE IS CLOSER TO THE MIXER SO HE COULD HEAR YOU.

MY QUESTION IS, DO WE HAVE A TIMELINE IN TERMS OF WHEN WAS THE I KNOW WE UNDERSTAND THE LAST INCREASE WAS IN 2019.

PRIOR TO THAT. DO WE HAVE THE LAST MAYBE TEN YEARS? AS TO WHEN WAS PRIOR TO 2019 WAS THE LAST INCREASE? WELL, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT OFFHAND.

I CAN CERTAINLY SEE WHAT RECORDS WE CAN FIND FOR THE HISTORY.

WHAT'S INTERESTING, THOUGH, TO NOTE I WAS GOING TO SHARE THIS LATER, BUT I'LL SHARE IT NOW IS WE WERE LOOKING AT THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES.

THOSE WERE LAST UPDATED IN 2012.

SO THOSE ARE DEFINITELY DUE FOR AN UPDATE, EVEN THOUGH I KNOW THAT'S NOT DIRECTLY RELEVANT TO TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION.

BUT UM, SO THOSE WE'RE GOING TO RECOMMEND DOING AN UPDATE ON.

AND INTERESTINGLY ON THOSE, UM, THE CITY CLERK WAS ABLE TO FIND SOME HISTORY.

AND IF I RECALL THE DATES CORRECTLY, I THINK IT WAS UM, SOMETIME IN LIKE 2006 THAT A STUDY HAD BEEN DONE AND A RECOMMENDED INCREASE OVER A PERIOD OF YEARS WAS APPROVED BUT NEVER IMPLEMENTED.

SO IT WAS SORT OF INTERESTING TO SEE SOME OF THE HISTORY ON IT.

BUT OFFHAND, WHEN WE LAST UPDATED PARKS, POLICE AND FIRE IMPACT FEES, THE ONES THAT WERE DONE STUDIED IN 2018 BUT APPROVED ADOPTED IN 2019, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THOSE WERE LAST STUDIED, BUT WE CAN FIND OUT.

MY NEXT QUESTION AND WHAT WAS THAT INCREASE? HOW MUCH WAS THE INCREASE AT THE PERCENT 25 YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE 2019? YES, MA'AM. I DO NOT THINK I HAVE THAT WITH ME.

LET ME SEE IF I HAVE THE AGENDA MEMO FROM THAT MEETING REAL QUICK.

OKAY. WELL, WITHOUT DOING THE PERCENTAGES BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT IN THE AGENDA.

MEMO IT LOOKS LIKE I'LL JUST RUN THROUGH AN EXAMPLE.

THE FIRE IMPACT FEES FOR A SINGLE FAMILY UNIT.

WAS $283.44.

IT INCREASED BY $336.65 FOR A NEW TOTAL OF $620.09.

LET ME SEE WHAT TERESA SENT ME. MAYBE IT'S EVEN MORE EXCITING.

I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE A WHOLE NUMBER AS FAR AS TOTAL THE THREE IMPACT FEES COMBINED? WHAT WOULD IT BE FOR, YOU KNOW, AT THE TIME, WHAT WAS IT FOR SINGLE FAMILY? UH, LET ME SEE WHAT TERESE HAS HERE.

SHE'S GOT ALL THE GOOD INFO.

LOOKS LIKE. OKAY.

IT LOOKS LIKE THE PARKS IMPACT FEATURES.

AGAIN, I'LL JUST USE SINGLE FAMILY PER RESIDENTIAL UNIT.

PARKS IMPACT FEES WERE AROUND $787.

WELL, BE PRECISE, SEVEN, 87, $0.78.

AND THEY WENT UP TO $1,310.08.

FOR POLICE, THEY WERE $37.97 AND THEY WENT TO $398.15.

AND THEN FIRE ONCE AGAIN.

LET ME GET THAT ONE.

MAKE SURE THIS IS ACCURATE HERE.

AND FIRE WAS.

ORIGINALLY $283.44 AND WENT TO $620.09.

I DIDN'T CALCULATE THOSE AS I READ THEM, BUT THAT WAS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CHANGE.

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SHE JUST SENT IT TO US.

I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.

I COUNCILMAN FOSTER.

YEAH. THIS. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE PRESENTER, PETER.

WHEN YOU SLIDE.

IT SAYS IT CAN IMPACT FEE PAY FOR THIS.

AND YOU SHOW EXAMPLE OF NUMBER ONE, THE CITY HAS EXPERIENCED SIGNIFICANT GROWTH AND NEED A NEW POLICE OFFICER TO KEEP UP WITH THE DEMAND OF SERVICE. YOU'RE SAYING THE IMPACT FEE CANNOT PAY FOR THAT OFFICER.

BUT CAN THE IMPACT FEE PAY FOR A POLICE STATION OR A POLICE VEHICLE? YES. SO THE IMPACT FEE COULD PAY FOR THE NEW OFFICERS VEHICLE AND IT COULD PAY FOR TECHNICALLY THE EXPANSION OF THE FACILITY TO HOUSE THAT NEW OFFICER, BUT THE ONGOING ANNUAL SALARY AND BENEFITS AND MINOR EQUIPMENT, ETC., THAT'S NOT ELIGIBLE TO BE PAID FOR BY AN IMPACT FEE ONLY THE THE VEHICLES OR FACILITIES THAT ARE NECESSARY.

TO SERVE GROWTH.

AND THAT BRINGS ME TO ANOTHER POINT REAL QUICK THAT I'M NOT SURE IF I MADE CLEAR BEFORE, BUT THE REPLACEMENT OF OLD FACILITIES AND VEHICLES ARE NOT ELIGIBLE TO BE PAID WITH IMPACT FEES, MEANING THE RENEWAL, THE R AND R, THE RENEWAL AND REPLACEMENT OF EXISTING FACILITIES, EXISTING ASSETS THAT YOU OUTLIVE THE USEFUL LIFE ON A POLICE CAR AND YOU NEED A BRAND NEW POLICE CAR.

BUT FOR THE SAME OFFICER THAT WOULDN'T BE ELIGIBLE TO BE PAID WITH IMPACT FEES, ONLY ASSETS THAT ARE NECESSARY TO SERVE GROWTH.

OK. AND EXAMPLE NUMBER TWO.

YOU HAVE A LARGE DEVELOPMENT IS OCCURRING IN THE CITY, NEEDS A NEW FIRE STATION IN ORDER TO SERVE THIS AREA OF GROWTH.

ONE AREA COMES.

TO MY MIND IS BABCOCK IN THE NEW IN A STRANGE EMERALD EMERALD LAKES AREA WITH THE IMPACT FEEDS.

WHO WE USE THE IMPACT FEES TO BUY A NEW FIRE ENGINE.

FIRE TRUCK. COULD YOU USE AN IMPACT FEE FOR A NEW FIRE ENGINE? YES. YES, YOU COULD IF IF IT'S A NEW FIRE ENGINE.

SO SAY IF THE CURRENT FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS SIX FIRE ENGINES AND YOU NEED A SEVENTH BECAUSE OF THE NEW DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY, THEN YOU COULD PAY FOR THAT SEVENTH ONE WITH IMPACT FEES.

BUT IF YOU'RE STILL MAINTAINING THE SAME AMOUNT OF FIRE ENGINES AND YOU'RE JUST REPLACING AN OLD ONE, YOU COULDN'T USE AN IMPACT FEE.

OK. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

JUST WANT TO CLEAR SOME THINGS IN MY MIND.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

COUNCILMAN FOSTER.

PETER, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

I THINK YOU SHED SOME LIGHT ON SOME QUESTIONS THAT I BELIEVE WE ALL HAD.

SO THANK YOU.

I THINK, MADAM CHAIRMAN, YOU WANTED TO MOVE ON? YES, SIR. THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY.

MY PLEASURE. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. SO NEXT, WE HAVE A PRESENTATION BY OUR FIRE CHIEF, LESLIE HOGUE.

WELL, FOR BOTH PRESENTATIONS, FOR BOTH DEPARTMENTS, WE WILL HAVE A LITTLE SORT OF A A REMINDER OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT THE NEED. AND SO WE'LL DO A LITTLE BIT OF THAT, BUT THEN WE'LL DIG RIGHT INTO SOME OF THE FINANCIAL CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE FACING.

SO IF IT'S ALL YOURS.

GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

SO OUR PRESENTATION TONIGHT, EVEN THOUGH IT SAYS STRATEGIC FIRE AND RESCUE PLAN, IT'S GOING TO KIND OF WEAVE IN THREE THINGS.

WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT OUR FIVE YEAR PLAN AND YOU'LL SEE SOME OF OUR EQUIPMENTS ALL THE WAY OUT TO TEN YEARS BECAUSE THAT'S THE LIFESPAN.

BUT WE'RE ALSO GOING TO TALK ABOUT OUR GROWTH AND THEN WE'RE IMPACT FEES WHERE WE CAN OFFSET WHAT WE'RE SPENDING OUR MONEY ON.

SO LET'S SEE IF I CAN DO THIS.

ALL RIGHT. SO OUR PRESENTATION IS GOING TO HAVE THREE ASPECTS THAT I'M GOING TO HIT TONIGHT.

OUR STATION NEEDS APPARATUS AND EQUIPMENT AND PERSONNEL.

SO THE ENTIRE PLAN IS ALWAYS BASED ON GROWTH IN THE CITY.

THAT'S ALL FIRE-RESCUE EVER DOES IS MONITOR GROWTH.

SO FOR STATION PLACEMENT, IT'S THE SAME FORMULA WE SHOWED YOU BACK IN JULY, ITS CALL VOLUME, POPULATION DENSITY AND TRAVEL TIME.

THAT'S WHAT LETS US KNOW BY US MONITORING THAT WHEN WE NEED TO PUT A NEW STATION IN.

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SO UNDER THE CONSTANT MONITORING, WE LOOK AT IT FOR DEFICIENCIES.

THE NEXT SLIDE I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU IS A LITTLE IT'S REALLY I'M LOOKING I WANT YOU TO LOOK AT THE COLOR OF IT.

AND THIS INDICATES WHEN OUR CALL LOAD IS EXCEEDING OUR CAPACITY.

SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS RIGHT HERE, IT'S HARD TO READ THE NUMBERS, BUT WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO LOOK AT IS THE COLOR.

SO WHEN YOU SEE TWO GREENS, TWO BLUES, EACH ONE OF THOSE COLORS IS A STATION.

AND WHEN YOU SEE IT IN SEVERAL LINES, THAT MEANS THOSE ARE SIMULTANEOUS CALLS.

SO LIKE THE YELLOW ONE, THE SECOND ONE DOWN.

THE ORIGINAL ONE, I THINK IT'S IT'S HARD TO SEE FROM ARROWS ENGINE TWO.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THERE WERE TWO MORE CALLS THAT CAME IN WHILE ENGINE TWO WAS ON THE FIRST CALL.

AND THERE WE GO. NOW I CAN READ IT.

THANKS, BRIAN. SO YOU CAN SEE ENGINE TWO HAD THE FIRST CALL AND THEN TWO MORE CALLS CAME IN IN THE SAME AREA.

SO THAT DRAWS ENGINES FROM OTHER AREAS LEAVING THOSE VACANT.

SO WE ARE TRACKING THIS.

THIS IS ONLY EIGHT DAYS WORTH.

SO WHEN YOU SEE THESE COLORS, THIS IS HOW MANY TIMES THIS HAPPENS OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

SO THIS IS AN ACTUAL INDICATION OF GROWTH.

OOP. I DIDN'T DO THAT, DIDN'T I? ALL RIGHT. SO THIS SLIDE IS ABOUT THE NEW SERVICE AREAS AND THE ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION.

STATION TWO, RIGHT OUTSIDE STATION TWO IS RIGHT OUTSIDE.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. SO THE ADDITIONAL APPARATUS REQUIRED, BESIDES ENGINES OR LADDERS, WOULD BE A WATER TENDER OR A BRUSH TRUCK.

AND THAT DEPENDS ON THE DEMOGRAPHICS AND THE GEOGRAPHICAL AREA OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

FIRE STATIONS AND APPARATUS CAN BE FUNDED BY IMPACT FEES, AS WELL AS THE INTERIORS OF THE STATION AND THE EQUIPMENT THAT GOES ON THE ENGINES.

RIGHT THERE, IT SAYS PERSONNEL COSTS MUST BE PROVIDED BY GENERAL FUND BECAUSE THEY ARE REOCCURRING COSTS, SO THEY ARE NOT IMPACT FEE ELIGIBLE.

ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION IN OUR CITY IS THE SQUARE MILES THAT WE HAVE TO COVER BECAUSE WE HAVE THE TRAVEL TIME OF TWO CHIEF OFFICERS FOR THE ENTIRE CITY AND WE ONLY HAVE TWO OF THEM AND COVER 88 SQUARE MILES.

SO IF WE HAVE A STRUCTURE FIRE, WE HAVE TWO DISTRICT CHIEFS AT THAT STRUCTURE FIRE, WE HAVE SOMETHING ON 95 OR ANOTHER PART OF THE CITY.

THERE IS NOT AN OFFICER TO GO THAT WAY.

SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS LOOKING AT OUR GROWTH IN THE SOUTH, THE NORTHEAST AND THE NORTHWEST.

SO HERE ARE PROJECTED STATIONS.

STATION SEVEN IS PALM BAY ROAD STATION EIGHT IS LOOKING TO BE EMERALD LAKES.

STATION NINE WILL BE MALABAR ROAD STATION TEN IS THE SOUTHERN END OF PALM BAY.

AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE TWO STATIONS ON THERE ALSO, WHICH IS STATION SIX, WHICH IS DEGROOTE AND OLDSMAR.

THAT IS TO ACTUALLY GIVE AN ACTUAL STATION TO PALM BAY FIRE RESCUE INSTEAD OF THE SHARED ONE.

AND THEN STATION TWO IS THE REBUILD.

SO I DID EACH STATION SO YOU COULD SEE THE BREAKDOWN ON TO SO STATION SEVEN IS ROLLING ALONG.

IT'S FINANCE.

THERE'S ADDITIONAL FUNDS THAT WERE SAVED FROM A GRANT.

THOSE ARE MATCHING FEES.

THE 358 316 THAT ARE ALSO ADDED INTO THE GROUP TO GO TOWARDS THE FINANCING.

THAT'S THE ONE ON PALM BAY ROAD.

THE ENGINE IS ALSO FUNDED.

IT HAS $346,260 OF IMPACT FEES.

BUT WE ALSO HAVE ADDITIONAL FUNDS LEFT OVER FROM THE DEMO OF STATION ONE.

SO WE'RE PUTTING THAT TOGETHER AND THAT COVERS THE ENGINE.

SO IN THE MEANTIME, WHEN WE GO TO BUY THAT THE IMPACT FEES OF 85,000 THAT ACCUMULATE WHILE THE STATIONS BEING BUILT WILL COVER ALL THE EQUIPMENT FOR THE ENGINE, ALL THE LIKE THE EXHAUST SYSTEM THAT'S IN THE STATIONS, ALL THE LIVING PIECES THAT GO INSIDE A FIRE STATION.

SO WE ALSO HAVE THE PERSONNEL ALMOST ALL ON BOARD FOR THIS STATION AS WELL, BECAUSE WE'RE HIRING THEM OVER BUDGET CYCLES.

AND WHEN YOU HAVE TO FORGIVE THE DATES, THOSE ARE POSITIVE DATES.

YOU KNOW, I'M HOPING ALL DEPENDS ON CONSTRUCTION.

SO LET'S SEE THIS.

I DO. THIS IS STATION NINE.

STATION TEN. LET ME GO BACKWARDS.

BRIAN, CAN YOU HELP ME GET THIS BACK? BECAUSE I WENT WE WENT WENT WAY TOO FAR.

I NEED TO GO TO STATION EIGHT.

ALL RIGHT. SO HERE WE GO.

SO STATION SEVEN.

BUT WHAT I WANTED TO SHOW YOU IS LOOK AT THE BEST OF THE INCREASE ON THAT RUN AREA THAT USED TO BE ALL RED.

SO YOU CAN SEE IT GOES ALL THE WAY UP TO THE CAUSEWAY BEFORE IT TURNS RED.

THAT'S THE BENEFIT OF THAT STATION.

IT'S GOING TO COVER A HUGE AREA AND BACK EVERYTHING UP TO WHERE WE DON'T HAVE THOSE GAPS IN SERVICE THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.

ALL RIGHT. NOW WE'RE BACK ON TRACK STATION EIGHT, EMERALD LAKES.

THAT'S ONGOING RIGHT NOW.

IT'S PLANNED TO BE FUNDED WITH THE DEVELOPER AND IMPACT FEES.

IT'S AN ESTIMATE OF 5 TO 6 MILLION.

WE REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS.

UNTIL WE SEEK ANY KIND OF BLUEPRINTS, THAT APPARATUS IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE 110 FOOT LADDER BECAUSE OF THE MULTI STOREY BUILDINGS DOWN THERE.

IMPACT FEES SHOULD COVER THAT AT 1.6 MILLION.

THEN I HAVE ANOTHER 100,000 IN THERE FOR ALL THE OTHER THINGS TO OUTFIT THE STATION AND THE EQUIPMENT.

AND YOU'LL SEE IN THIS SLIDE I HAVE BREVARD COUNTY FIRE RESCUE IN THERE BECAUSE THEY NEED TO PUT THEIR RESCUES IN ON THE SAME PROPERTY.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE IN OUR STATIONS.

THEY'LL CO-LOCATE WITH US.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO REACH OUT AND MAKE SURE THEY HAVE A PLACE TO PUT THEIR RESCUES.

SO THE PERSONNEL COSTS FOR THAT WOULD BE 1.1 MILLION, AND THAT'S BY THE CURRENT CONTRACT PROJECTED SALARIES.

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AND I THINK THE FIRE STATION, THERE'S A LITTLE TO THE BIG GREEN SQUARE AND THEN THERE'S A LITTLE TRIANGLE AT THE BOTTOM.

THAT'S THE AREA THAT THEY'RE SLATED TO PUT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

SO THIS IS STATION NINE.

THIS IS ON ON MALABAR ROAD.

WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE IT'S GOING TO GO OR WHEN IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

SO THERE'S A PROJECTED DATES AT ALL, AGAIN, BASED ON GROWTH IMPACT FEES OF 3 TO 4 MILLION TO BUILD IT, BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A LARGE STATION, THE APPARATUS WILL BE A QUINT.

AND THE REASON WHY IS WHEN YOU START GETTING COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES OUT THERE LIKE HERITAGE HIGH SCHOOL, IF WE GET TO A COMMERCIAL GROCERY STORE AND YOU NEED THE ELEVATED RESCUE, YOU NEED THE ELEVATED WATER STREAM.

SO WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING WITH QUINT'S SO THAT QUINT IS RUNNING ABOUT 1 MILLION, 1.1 MILLION.

THAT'S RIGHT. NOW AND THEN IMPACT FEES OF 85,000.

AGAIN, WE PLAN TO HAVE A RESCUE OUT THERE AND THEN 12 PERSONNEL.

THIS IS STATION TEN.

THIS IS IN OUR SITES AND OUR STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THE SOUTH END OF PALM BAY BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW.

WE'RE HEARING THERE'S GROWTH.

WE KNOW WITH EMERALD LAKES THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE GROWTH.

SO WE'VE ALREADY PUT STATION TEN IN AS A PROBABILITY IN THERE.

SO THAT WOULD ALSO BE A QUINT BECAUSE THAT'S A HUGE COMMERCIAL AREA DOWN THERE.

AND AGAIN, A QUINT IS AN ENGINE WITH THE ELEVATED ACCESS OF STREAM, A WATER STREAM THAT'LL BE LIKE THE GROUP WHERE THAT STATION IS.

WOULD THAT BE LIKE THE GROUP? NO, ACTUALLY, STATION SIX IS DEGROOT.

THIS IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF EMERALD LAKES.

IT COULD BE EAST, IT COULD BE WEST, IT COULD BE SOUTH.

SO AS IT KEEPS EXPANDING.

SO SOME OF THESE THINGS, IT'S REALLY HARD TO PREDICT BECAUSE IT'S IT'S WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING NEXT.

SO THAT'S WHY WE RUN OUR CALLS, WHERE WE'RE GOING.

WE WATCH WHERE THE EXPANSION IS GOING, WHERE THE DEVELOPERS ARE GOING, WHERE COMMERCIAL IS GOING.

SO WE MAY CALL THAT STATION TEN AND IT MAY END UP BEING NINE.

JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT GOES FIRST.

SO SEVEN AND EIGHT ARE MOVING FORWARD, STATION NINE AGAIN AS IT DEVELOPS.

IT DEPENDS ON THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE AREA AND WHEN WE START THE TIMELINE FOR STATION TEN AGAIN IS DEPENDING ON WHAT GOES ON IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE CITY STATION, TWO TRULY NEEDS TO BE DEMOLISHED AND REBUILT.

IT HAS MET ITS SERVICE EXPECTANCY, SERVICE LIFE.

IT'S DONE. STATION SIX.

THE GOOD THING ABOUT TWO AND SIX IS EVERYBODY'S IN PLACE.

YOU DON'T NEED TO BUY AN APPARATUS.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT PERSONNEL IN.

WE JUST NEED A STRUCTURE.

SO THEY'RE BOTH THERE AND THEN ALL FUTURE STATIONS.

WE HAVE OPTIONS FOR RESCUE PLACEMENT AND REQUIRE THE COUNTY FOR FINANCIAL PARTICIPATION IN THAT.

SO WITH THAT, PERSONNEL COHABITATE SOMEWHERE ELSE WHILE WHILE STATIONS WHOSE BEING BUILT AS AN EXAMPLE STATION TWO.

WE HAD TO DO THAT. YES, WE'D PUT THEM IN ANOTHER LOCATION UNTIL IT WAS BUILT.

SO THIS IS AN OVERVIEW ON OUR CAPITAL APPARATUS AND EQUIPMENT AND REPLACEMENT.

SO WHAT I HAVE IN THERE IS WITH THE SUPPORT OF THE CITY MANAGER AND THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT, WE'RE FINALLY IMPLEMENTING A ROUTE REPLACEMENT PROGRAM THAT WE'VE NEVER HAD BEFORE. USUALLY IT'S THAT WAIT TILL EVERYTHING'S OUT OF DATE OR IT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.

AND WE COME IN FOR HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.

SO YOU CAN SEE IN 22, 23, 24 AND 25, THAT IS ALL STABILIZING.

THAT'S ALL THE NEW ENGINES WITH THE NEW STATIONS.

THE BUNKER GEAR IS COMING IN RIGHT NOW AND THE REST IS NEXT YEAR.

AND THEN BECAUSE IT'S TEN YEAR LIFE, YOU WON'T SEE US STARTED TO REPLACE IT, BUT WE WON'T WAIT TILL THE EXACT DATE THAT IT'S OUT.

WE'RE GOING TO STAGGER IT IN.

SO THE IMPACT ISN'T, BY THE WAY, I NEED 500,000.

IT'LL BE I NEED 98, I NEED 98 AND WE CAN STAGGER IT IN.

SO THE CHART SHOWS ALL OF THAT COMING IN AS IT IS, THE AIR PACKS.

THE REASON WHY IT'S SUCH A LARGE ITEM IS BECAUSE IT WAS NEVER ADDRESSED AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY OUT OF SERVICE THIS OCTOBER.

SO WE HAVE THAT. BUT YOU DON'T SEE ANYTHING COMING IN UNTIL 2030 BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED TO DO IT.

WE CAN TAKE IT, WE CAN STAGGER IT ALL OUT.

SO THAT'S WHAT THIS CHART IS SHOWING, THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY TRYING TO BREAK IT DOWN INTO MANAGEABLE PIECES.

THE UGLY PART OF IT IS WHEN YOU SEE 2027 APPARATUS IS 630 TO 1.1 MILLION, THAT GIVES ME CHEST PAIN.

SO THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING BECAUSE EVERY TIME WE'RE LOOKING AROUND, IT'S A 30% INCREASE TO COST.

IT'S A 10% INCREASE.

BY THE TIME WE BRING THINGS TO COUNCIL, WE MAY GET A QUOTE, A TENTATIVE QUOTE.

BY THE TIME WE PUT IT IN THE LEGISLATIVE MEMO AND IT COMES TO COUNCIL, IT'S ALREADY GONE UP 10%.

SO THEY'RE KEEPING US CHASING THEM.

MA'AM, I HAD A QUESTION REGARDING THE LUCAS DEVICE.

YES, SIR. HOW MANY OF THOSE DO WE HAVE? SIX, ACTUALLY, SEVEN.

ONE ON EACH UNIT. ON EACH UNIT.

AND SO YOU HAVE TO BUY ONE EACH AND EVERY YEAR OR.

NO, THERE ARE TEN YEARS LIFE.

SAME THING WITH THE LIFE PACKS THAT ARE ON THAT CHART.

THEY LAST. YOU SHOULD START REPLACING THEM AT EIGHT YEARS.

SO IN ANOTHER FOUR YEARS, WE'RE GOING TO START REPLACING THE LIFE PACKS.

MM HMM. THANK YOU, MA'AM.

SURE. SO WITH GROWTH, HISPANIC CONTROL HAS TO BE ADDRESSED, BECAUSE AS WE GET LARGER, WE CAN'T JUST KEEP WORKING WITH TWO DISTRICT CHIEFS.

SO OUR STATIONS HAVE COMPANY OFFICERS, WHICH ARE LIEUTENANTS.

THEY'RE ON THE ENGINES.

THE DISTRICTS HAVE THREE STATIONS EACH AND THEY COVER 88 SQUARE MILES.

IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S NOT A BAD THING UNTIL WE HAVE CALLS.

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SO WE WANT TO ADDRESS THE THE ADDITION OF CAPTAINS ON OUR AERIAL DEVICES, WHICH IS A STANDARD FIRE DEPARTMENT.

LADDERS HAVE CAPTAINS, ENGINES HAVE LIEUTENANTS.

SO WITH THE LADDER CAPTAINS, WE'LL BE ABLE TO FILL THE GAP AND THE COMMAND.

SO IF THERE IS AN ISSUE GOING ON, WE CAN HAVE DISTRICT CHIEFS GOING WHEREVER AND WE HAVE THAT NEXT LEVEL OF COMMAND AND AN OFFICER TO KIND OF LIKE BRIDGE THE GAP, IF YOU WILL.

SO IT WON'T BE JUST A LIEUTENANT.

AND THEN WE HAVE A DISTRICT CHIEF, WE'LL HAVE CAPTAINS, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THEM RACING ACROSS THE CITY.

THE CAPTAINS CAN ACTUALLY TAKE CHARGE.

SO AS WE EXPAND IT TO THE NEW AREAS, WE NEED TO ESTABLISH THIS AS PART OF OUR GROWTH.

SO THIS LITTLE CHART SHOWS THAT WITH THE NEW STATIONS THAT WILL HAVE EITHER A QUINT OR A LADDER.

THE PLAN SHOULD BE TO PUT A CAPTAIN ON THAT.

AND WHERE WE STILL MAINTAIN ENGINES WILL HAVE LIEUTENANTS.

WITH CONSCIENTIOUS PLANNING, WE PLAN TO MEET GROWTH NEEDS.

WE WANT TO MAINTAIN OR EXCEED OUR SERVICE STANDARDS.

HOWEVER, WE HAVE TO KNOW THAT IMPACT FEES, PAY, PLAY A LARGE ROLE IN FUNDING THESE CAPITAL NEEDS.

BUT THERE ARE SO MANY LIMITS TO IT.

WHEN I SAY THE LIMITS IS, IT DOESN'T ACCUMULATE FAST ENOUGH TO OFFSET IT.

SO I COULD SAY OVER IN STATION ONE'S AREA WE HAVE MAYBE 400,000 IN IMPACT FEES.

WILL A FIRE STATIONS $4 MILLION? THAT'S $4 MILLION FOR THE STATION.

IT'S ANOTHER 670,000 FOR AN ENGINE.

AND THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY EQUIPMENT, BECAUSE WHEN WE ORDER THESE APPARATUS, THEY COME WITH NOTHING ON THEM.

SO THERE'S A LOT THERE.

AND THE IMPACT FEES, IT'S NICE, IT OFFSETS IT, BUT IT STILL PUTS IT ON THE CITY TO GO AHEAD AND FINANCE ALMOST EVERYTHING.

UM, IMPACT FEES DON'T COVER PERSONNEL COSTS AND THE RESOURCES OF MATERIALS ARE INFLATED.

SO EVERY TIME WE THINK WE'RE CATCHING UP, WE'RE ALWAYS BEHIND.

MUCH TO THE THRILL OF MY BOSS.

SO THE OTHER THING THAT'S HAPPENED IS THE PANDEMIC HAS AFFECTED US ON GETTING APPARATUS.

IT LEVELED OUT FOR A WHILE, BUT IT'S ALL THE WAY BACK TO 20 TO 22 MONTHS TO GET AN ENGINE OR A LADDER.

SO EVERYBODY IS SCRAMBLING.

WE JUST DID THIS WHERE WE WERE LOOKING.

WE CALLED EVERY VENDOR IN THE UNITED STATES AND NOTHING WAS AVAILABLE.

THEY CAN'T EVEN GET JACKASSES.

SO I'M KIND OF GLAD THAT WE'RE STILL IN THE PLANNING PHASE OF FIRE STATIONS BECAUSE I WOULD BE RIPPING MY HAIR OUT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE COULDN'T GET FIRE TRUCKS.

THERE'S A POTENTIAL THAT WE MIGHT GET ONE COMING OFF THE LINE SOON.

SO BUT THIS IS WHAT WE'RE FACING.

IT'S A CONSTANT CATCH UP.

SO WITH THE PLANNED APPROACH, WE'RE GOING TO KEEP WATCHING HOW WE'RE GROWING.

WE'RE GOING TO STRATEGICALLY MONITOR WHAT'S GOING ON.

WE'RE GOING TO KEEP BRINGING THAT FORWARD TO EVERYBODY SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT OUR CHALLENGES ARE.

WE'RE GOING TO BUILD IN A BETTER FORECASTING MODEL SO WE CAN TELL YOU EVEN FURTHER OUT THAN WE DO NOW OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING.

SO WHEN WE KNOW THE DEVELOPERS ARE COMING IN, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A FIRE ANALYST WHO WILL BE ABLE TO SAY THIS SPOT IS STARTING TO BLOW UP.

WE NEED TO START PLANNING WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR.

SO WE'RE NEVER BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S NOT GOOD TO HAVE PEOPLE MOVING TO OUR CITY AND WE CAN'T TAKE CARE OF THEM.

SO THE ORDER OF STATIONS BUILT AND THIS IS THE LAST PART, IT'S GOING TO BE BUILT ON STATISTICAL NEEDS.

I'M JUST GETTING MY WORDS UP. SO WE'RE ACTUALLY MONITORING TO SEE WHERE WE GO FIRST.

SO LIKE I SAID, WE MAY SAY SEVEN AND EIGHT.

THEY'RE ROLLING NINE AND TEN.

IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHERE THE GROWTH IS.

AND WHEN I TALK TO MY BOSS AND GO, THIS IS BECOMING A HOTSPOT, SHE MAY GO, OKAY, WE'RE GOING OVER HERE FIRST.

SO TEN MAYBE OUT IN MALABAR AND NINE MAYBE DOWN SOUTH.

IT MAY BE ALL OVER THE PLACE.

SO AGAIN, IT'S IT'S HARD FOR US TO PREDICT, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE BEST WE CAN ON LETTING YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

SO THAT'S IT. SO THE FIRST THING I WANT TO SAY IS THANK YOU FOR THIS OUTSTANDING PRESENTATION.

THAT, FIRST OF ALL, AND SOMETHING THAT WASN'T SAID IS THE OUTSTANDING JOB THAT YOU'VE DONE WITH GRANT OPPORTUNITIES.

NOW PLUGGING THE GAP WITH THAT.

SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU KUDOS ON THAT, MAN.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHIEF COUNSEL.

ANY ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO.

THANK YOU. HEY, CHIEF.

CHIEF, I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU'VE BEEN DOING.

GREAT PRESENTATION HERE.

I DO. I FEEL THAT SOME OF THE DATES ARE A LITTLE AGGRESSIVE, BUT AT LEAST THE FACT THAT I HAVE FOUR FIREFIGHTERS.

WHAT CAN I SAY? I'LL BE REAL WITH YOU, THOUGH, BUT I'M HAPPY TO SEE THAT STATION SEVEN AND EIGHT ARE PROGRESSING FORWARD.

OBVIOUSLY SEVEN TO BE ON PALM BAY ROAD.

DO YOU HAVE A LOCATION FOR EIGHT? I'M SORRY.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S IN THE PACKET OR NOT.

WE'RE JUST LETTING THEM KNOW WE'RE GOING ALONG WITH IT.

AS LONG AS THEY'RE THERE AND ASKING QUESTIONS, WE'RE GOING TO BE ANSWERING THEM.

SO. FOR STATION EIGHT, THOUGH, WHERE STATION EIGHT, WHERE WOULD IT BE LOCATED IF IT'S GOING TO BE BUILT? WELL, ACTUALLY, ON THE ONE MAP THAT WAS UP, THEY'VE GIVEN US A NICE CHUNK RIGHT THERE ON BABCOCK.

SO THAT WAY WE CAN ACTUALLY BEFORE THEY WERE GIVING US PROPERTY, IT WAS ON A SECONDARY ROAD AND OUR ACCESS WOULD HAVE BEEN TERRIBLE.

SO NOW THEY'VE PUT US RIGHT OUT ON THE MAIN ROAD.

AND THIS IS THIS IS NEXT TO HERITAGE PARKWAY, CORRECT? IT'S ACROSS FROM IT.

VERY NICE. IT WAS THIS A FOUR STAR AGREEMENT THAT THEY DID.

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SO WE'RE WE'RE ACTIVELY TALKING WITH THE DEVELOPER ABOUT A A A SITE THAT THEY'VE SET ASIDE IS ABOUT SEVEN ACRES OR SO.

AND IT WILL BE ABLE TO HOUSE BOTH THE FIRE STATION AS WELL AS A POLICE SOUTHEAST OR.

YES, THAT'S RIGHT.

SOUTHEAST POLICE STATION AND SOME UTILITIES INFRASTRUCTURE.

IT'S ALL NEEDED FOR THAT, THAT HUGE DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE.

THE AREA IS ACTUALLY ALONG THE SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY, THE SEVEN ACRES, I BELIEVE.

SO IT'S IT'S NOT ACTUALLY ON BABCOCK, BUT IT'S IN THAT SAME VICINITY, WHICH IS GREAT FOR OUR RESPONSE TO 95.

TO BABCOCK. ET CETERA.

DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, SIR? THANK YOU, MISS SHERMAN.

AND JUST TO CONFIRM, THERE WILL BE IT WOULD BE A FIRE AND A POLICE STATION, CORRECT? YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S GREAT.

GREAT NEWS. LAST QUESTION FOR THE CHIEF HERE OR FOR YOU, SINCE WE KIND OF MINGLE WITH BREVARD COUNTY FIRE RESCUE, DO THEY PAY ANY IMPACT FEES OR PAY ANY DUES INTO A NEW STATION BEING BUILT? WELL, WHY THEY DON'T PAY THEIR IMPACT FEES DOWN HERE.

WHAT THEY WILL IS CONTRIBUTE TO THE COST.

THEY'LL BE OUR TENANT. NO, NO.

THEY'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTE TO THE BUILDING.

YEAH, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT MY.

YES, THAT'S. AND THEY'RE AWARE OF THAT.

THEY'RE AWARE OF THAT. OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION TODAY.

ELSE. YOU KNOW, SOME ENFORCER.

CHIEF. CHIEF, I HAVE A QUESTION.

COME ON UP. I'D LIKE TO.

YES, SIR. THANK YOU FOR COMING BACK, CHIEF.

I APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE, AND I APPRECIATE THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THE PALM BAY FIRE DEPARTMENT.

THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

MORE CURIOSITY.

STATION NINE.

YOUR PRESENTATION CAPITAL STATION.

WHERE YOU SAYS THE WEST END OR MALABAR.

OKAY. AND STATION TWO IS ALSO AVAILABLE.

MM HMM. SO.

IF WE. DEMOLISHED STATION TO.

WE DON'T HAVE STATION NINE BUILT.

I MEAN, HOW HOW WOULD YOU COVER MY LABOR? WE FOUND TEMPORARY TEMPORARY ACCOMMODATIONS FOR THEM WHILE WE'RE BUILDING THE STATION.

THERE'S OTHER PLACES THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY I MEAN, COME FROM ANOTHER PART.

WHEN WE ACTUALLY RENTED A HOUSE, WE DIDN'T RUN THE SIREN COMING OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY.

BUT THERE ARE OTHER GREAT NEIGHBORS.

THERE'S OTHER WAYS WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT.

SO THEY CAN ACTUALLY THEY WILL ALWAYS STAY IN SERVICE, WHETHER IT'S A MANUFACTURED HOME THAT WE PULL UP TO THE SITE, THE CONSTRUCTION SITE, AND THEY STILL RESPOND FROM THAT OR WHETHER WE FIND ANOTHER STRUCTURE FOR THEM TO OCCUPY.

BUT WE WILL NEVER TAKE A STATION OUT OF SERVICE WHILE WE'RE BUILDING IT.

OKAY, GOOD.

IT LOOKED LIKE. STATION TWO.

YOU HAVE A CAPTAIN YOU NEED.

AND STATION NINE.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE A DIFFERENT APPARATUS COMING OUT OF THEM AS WE GROW.

YES, BECAUSE THIS ACTUALLY WITH CITY HALL, YOU NEED SOMETHING WITH SOME ELEVATION TO IT.

AND ALL WE HAVE IS AN ENGINE THERE RIGHT NOW.

SO THAT WOULD BE ONLY BE LADDER ONE COMING FROM ALL THE WAY ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE CITY.

SO AS WE GROW GOING WEST AND WE GO ABOVE TWO STORIES, WE WANT TO PUT MORE APPARATUS IN THAT WE CAN HAVE ELEVATED STREAMS OR ELEVATED RESCUE.

UM. SO THE STATION OUT IN JUPITER.

WHAT NUMBER IS THAT? THAT'S THREE. THREE.

AND THAT DOESN'T HAVE A LADDER OR.

NO, IT'S JUST AN ENGINE.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, MIKE DUNN.

YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

VERY MUCH. OUTSTANDING JOB, MA'AM.

MADAM SHERMAN. THANK YOU.

NEXT, WE'LL HAVE CHIEF MARIO AUGELLO TO GIVE A SIMILAR PRESENTATION ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. DEPUTY MAYOR. COUNCIL BOSS.

MADAM. MADAM. MADAM.

ALL RIGHT. MAKE SURE I GOT THIS REAL QUICK.

MAKE SURE. THERE WE GO. OH, NO, NO.

ALL RIGHT, BRIAN. SO SIMILAR TO CHIEF HOGUE WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

THE PURPOSE OF THIS PRESENTATION, AS WE AS WE ALL KNOW AND BASED ON A PRESENTATION THAT WE DID BACK IN JUNE FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE STATE OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ARE THE NEEDS THAT WE THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE AND THAT WE'VE HAD FOR FOR SOME TIME THAT HAVE NOT BEEN FULLY ADDRESSED DUE TO FUNDING OR LACK OF FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES.

SO WHAT I'M GOING TO BE PRESENTING AND SHOWING THE COUNCIL TONIGHT IS GOING TO BE THE MOST NEEDED OR URGENT OF

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YOU KNOW, AND I HATE TO KEEP PUTTING THINGS OUT THERE, BUT IT'S ONE OF THOSE THAT.

NOW. WE HAD OUR ACCREDITATION ASSESSMENT TEAM OUT HERE LAST WEEK THROUGHOUT THE STATE AND THE CAR BROKE DOWN IN FRONT OF THEM AND WE HAD TO GET A RECORD TO COME TO THEM OUT.

SO. SO IT'S BECOMING A PROBLEM TO WHERE WE'RE WE'RE NOT SEATING VEHICLES IN BETWEEN SHIFTS.

SO OUR MIDNIGHT SHIFT, IF YOU'RE OFF OUR FOLKS THAT THEIR VEHICLES ARE BROKEN DOWN ARE USUALLY THE FOLKS WHOSE VEHICLES THAT ARE CURRENTLY OFF DUTY.

SO THAT'S THE CURRENT STATUS OF OF AFFAIRS IN TERMS OF WHERE WE ARE WITH OUR VEHICLES.

NOT TO MENTION I HAVE OUR STAFFING SHORTAGES THAT WE DISCUSSED BACK IN JUNE.

WE HAD OFFICERS THAT ARE PUTTING IN FOR OVERTIME AND WANTED TO HELP OUT.

SO WE HAD AN OFFICER PUT IN FOR OVERTIME TO WORK TO HELP WITH THE SHORTAGE.

HER CAR BROKE DOWN, DIDN'T HAVE A REPLACEMENT.

WE HAD TO SEND HER HOME. SO THESE ARE THE THINGS TO WHERE WITH THE VEHICLE REPLACEMENT PROGRAM AND A FIVE YEAR STRATEGIC STRATEGIC GROWTH PLAN THAT WE HAVE HERE, THE VEHICLES IS NUMBER ONE PRIORITY FOR ME WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, SIR.

GO AHEAD. JUST REAL QUICK TO THE HOT.

HOT. YES.

SO SHIFTS ARE 12 HOURS, CORRECT? CORRECT. SO TAG TEAM, SO A VEHICLE COULD BE RUNNING 24 TO 36 HOURS.

YES. WHICH IS ACTUALLY SPEEDING UP THE LIFE.

YES, SIR. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S SPEEDING IT UP.

IT'S KILLING IT. WELL, I MEAN I MEAN, LIKE WHERE WHERE IT WAS SUPPOSED IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE TEN YEARS NOW.

WE'RE LOOKING AT SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT.

CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. SO AND WHAT THE VEHICLE'S IN WITH OUR LOGISTICS MANAGER AND OUR COMMANDER OF OUR SUPPORT SERVICES AND WORKING WITH OUR FLEET MANAGER THERE, THEY HAVE A PLAN TO HAVE A 15 POINT FASTER PROGRAM THAT TELLS US WHEN A VEHICLE NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.

RIGHT. I MEAN, SO THERE'S THERE THERE'S SOMETHING IMPLEMENTED THAT DOCUMENTS AND SHOWS, HEY, TIME TO GET RID OF IT.

SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE OVER 60 THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED LIKE.

WOW. A WHILE AGO THEY NEEDED TO BE REPLACED.

SO, YOU KNOW, AND WITH THAT, THE RECOMMENDATION IS EVERY FIVE YEARS, VEHICLES NEED TO BE REPLACED.

AND PART OF THIS FIVE YEAR VEHICLE PROGRAM, REPLACEMENT PROGRAM IS JUST THAT.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE INCORPORATED OR WE SUBMITTED AS A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS YEAR ONE TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT AND WE'LL BE GOING THROUGH IT HERE SHORTLY WITH THE AMOUNT AND EVERYTHING.

YOU'RE TO ANOTHER REQUEST FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT.

THIS COVERS ALL VEHICLES WITHIN OUR FLEET.

WE HAVE ABOUT A LITTLE BIT OVER 200 VEHICLES IN OUR FLEET WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT COVERS OUR POLICE CARS OR SWAT TRUCK OR COMMAND VEHICLE OR CIVILIAN VEHICLES OR COP CARS AND ALL OF IT, OUR DETECTIVE VEHICLES.

SO EVERY FIVE YEARS IS THE RECOMMENDED REPLACEMENT.

SO BY YEAR FIVE OF THIS VEHICLE REPLACEMENT PROGRAM, THOSE VEHICLES THAT CURRENTLY NEED TO BE REPLACED.

NOW, LAST WEEK, AS THEY SAID, IN THE BACK WILL BE REPLACED.

AND THEN WE START THE ROTATION OVER AGAIN EVERY FIVE YEARS TO KEEP THEM FRESH, TO KEEP THEM NEW.

NOT ONLY DOES THAT LOWER THE COST FOR EACH VEHICLE FOR MAINTENANCE, IT ALSO FREES UP OUR FLEET OR MECHANICS OR WORKERS BECAUSE THEY'RE ALSO OVERWORKED. YOU KNOW, BETWEEN US AND FIRE, WE'RE THE BIGGEST CUSTOMER IN THE CITY.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO ALSO THAT WE ALSO LOOKED INTO AS FAR AS THE STRATEGIC GROWTH 2020 2021, WE WE PUT TOGETHER A GROUP WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT, BOTH CIVILIAN AND SWORN STAFF, TO COME UP WITH A STRATEGIC GROWTH BECAUSE.

I KIND OF HAD AN IDEA THAT IT WAS COMING.

AND THIS WAS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.

WE STILL WERE, YOU KNOW.

DOUBTFUL, BUT IT'S COMING.

YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAD A COUPLE OF MEETINGS LAST WEEK.

NOW, THAT MEETING THAT WE HAD, THAT GROUP THAT WE PUT TOGETHER, A PLAN FOR US WAS REALLY FOR THE SOUTH END EMERALD LAKES AREA.

WE DIDN'T REALLY DISCUSS THE PARKWAY THAT BLEW UP IN THE PAST YEAR.

SO PART OF THE PLAN THAT I WOULD BE SHOWING AND PRESENTING IS A STRATEGIC GROWTH AND IMPLEMENTATION OF PERSONNEL, ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL, BOTH SWORN AND CIVILIAN, AND ALSO SPLITTING UP OUR CITY INTO ADDING A FOURTH DISTRICT.

CURRENTLY, RIGHT NOW, WE OPERATE UNDER THREE.

SO CURRENTLY WE HAVE, AS WE MENTIONED IN BACK IN JUNE, FOUR DIVISIONS ON PATROL, WHICH IS OVER 100 OFFICERS, NOT COUNTING TWO SUPERVISORS.

WE HAVE A NORTHEAST, WHICH IS MAINLY THE EAST SIDE OF 95, ALL OF THAT CORRIDOR AND LOT MORE.

BUT IT WOULDN'T COVER LOC MORE THEN WE HAVE A NORTHWEST.

SOUTHEAST SOUTHWEST IS ONE.

NOW, IF YOU REMEMBER BACK IN JUNE, THE REASON WHY WE PUT THE SLIDES UP HERE.

IN THE GREEN IS SOUTHEAST SOUTHWEST.

SO THEIR COMBINED SO THAT'S A SQUAD OF SEVEN RIGHT NOW SEVEN OFFICERS PATROLLING THAT WHOLE AREA.

IF THEY'RE ALL WORKING.

SO THE PLAN THAT OUR FOLKS PUT TOGETHER A YEAR OR SO OVER A YEAR AGO IS TO INCREASE AND ADD A SQUAD OVER THE COURSE OF FIVE YEARS TO WHERE

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SO OVER A FIVE YEAR PERIOD, WE WILL BE INCREASING OFFICERS ALONE, 16 OFFICERS TO BE ABLE TO SUPPLEMENT THE SOUTH END EXPANSION AND THE GROWTH THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE SHOWING HERE THAT WE'LL BE POPULATING BASED ON OUR NUMBERS THAT WE'VE HAD.

OF COURSE, THESE ARE AVERAGE RESPONSE TIMES THAT WE WE DISCUSSED BACK IN JUNE.

THEY'RE STILL THERE. THERE'S BEEN NO CHANGE IN THAT.

AGAIN, YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH WHERE WE RANK RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF OUR RATIO PER 1000 CITIZENS.

SO CURRENTLY.

WE'RE LOOKING TO GET SIX OFFICERS, SIX NEW OFFICER POSITIONS FOR FISCAL YEAR 23.

SO THAT'LL PUT US OUT 180 TO 182 SWORN POSITIONS.

SO IF WE MAINTAIN THAT FOR THE DURATION FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, WE'RE GOING DOWN AND THE POPULATION IS CONTINUING TO GROW AND IT'S BEEN AVERAGING ABOUT 4 TO 5000 CITIZENS A YEAR BASED ON OUR MATH, NOT MY MATH, BUT MY BUDGET OFFICER, JESSICA HENCHMAN.

SO OUR PROPOSAL IS, OVER THE COURSE OF FIVE YEARS IS TO INCREASE TO 56 OFFICERS, IF I'M CORRECT.

NOW THAT'S GOING TO INCORPORATE SWORN FOR PATROL FOR THE SQUAD.

THAT'S GOING TO INCORPORATE DETECTIVES, THAT'S GOING TO INCORPORATE AGENTS, THAT'S GOING TO INCORPORATE CFOS, TASK FORCE OFFICER POSITIONS TO BE FILLED, COMMUNITY RESOURCE OFFICERS, TRAFFIC OFFICERS.

RIGHT NOW I HAVE SIX TRAFFIC POSITIONS.

TRAFFIC OFFICERS. BUT I'M ONLY I ONLY HAVE FIVE OF THOSE SIX FILLED.

SO AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW IN THE SOUTH AND AND ALSO IN THE PARKWAY AREA AND THEN ALSO POTENTIALLY MAKE A ROAD DOWN THERE, I'M GOING TO NEED MORE TRAFFIC BECAUSE THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE COMPLAINT IN THE CITY IS TRAFFIC.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PURPLE OUTLINE OR THE LIGHT PURPLE OUTLINE, THAT'S THE WHOLE SOUTHEAST CORRIDOR.

SO I HAVE MY NORTHEAST, WHICH IS EAST OF 95.

I HAVE MY NORTHWEST WHICH IS ON THE TOP LEFT CORNER AND MY SOUTHWEST WHICH IS ON THE LEFT OF THE SHEET OF THE MAP, AND THEN MY SOUTHEAST CORRIDOR, WHICH WILL TAKE US DOWN TO THE EMERALD LAKES AREA.

SO AT THAT POINT, I'LL HAVE A SQUAD FOR EVERY QUARTER OF THE CITY, WHICH WILL BE FOR FOR A SHIFT.

A DIVISION WILL BE 36 TOTAL OFFICERS FOR THE CITY.

NOW WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO INCREASE MY SUPERVISION, BECAUSE AT THAT POINT, IF THIS DOES COME TO FRUITION, I'M GOING TO HAVE 136 TOTAL POLICE OFFICERS ON PATROL.

NOT AT ONE TIME.

THROUGHOUT THE FOUR SHIFTS DIVISIONS.

SO RIGHT NOW, MY PATROL DIVISION IS OVERSEEN AND SUPERVISED BY ONE COMMANDER, COMMANDER TIM LANCASTER.

SO AND THEN WE HAVE FOUR LIEUTENANTS THAT WORK THE PATROL.

SO I NEED MY LIEUTENANTS FOCUSED ON OPERATIONS.

THEY SHIFT NIGHT SHIFT.

I NEED THOSE FOUR LIEUTENANTS FOR EACH DIVISION TO FOCUS ON OPERATIONS, NOT WORRIED ABOUT ADMINISTRATIVE RESPONSIBILITIES, NOT WORRIED ABOUT ANSWERING EMAILS OR COMPLAINTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO OUR PROPOSAL THAT WILL BE SHOWN HERE WITH THE COSTS AND EVERYTHING WILL ALSO BE TO INCORPORATE FOR SERGEANTS ONE FOR EACH NEW SQUAD THAT WE'RE CREATING TO OVERSEE THE NEW OFFICERS FOR EACH EACH FOR THE SOUTH END, BUT ALSO TWO MAJORS POSITION ONE FOR ALPHA ROTATION AND ONE FOR BRAVO ROTATION. THAT WOULD ANSWER TO THAT ONE COMMANDER BECAUSE 136 OFFICERS FOR AND THAT'S NOT EVEN COUNTING THE SUPERVISORS AND LIEUTENANTS.

THE ANSWER TO ONE COMMANDER IS IS EXCESSIVE SPAN OF CONTROL.

SO OUR VEHICLE REPLACEMENT PROGRAM FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, BEGINNING IN FY 23.

SO WE HAVE A BROKEN DOWN.

SO WHAT I FAILED TO MENTION IS WE ALSO HAVE A MULTI.

WELL, WE HAVE A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR TRAINING FACILITY OFF HURLEY ROAD, WHICH IS ABOUT 40 ACRES.

AND WE HAVE AGENCIES FROM ALL OVER THE STATE OF FLORIDA THAT COME AND UTILIZE OUR FACILITY.

AND WITH THAT COMES COST, WITH THAT COMES NEEDS AND EQUIPMENT THAT'S NEEDED FOR THAT TRAINING FACILITY AS WELL, WHICH IS SOME OF THE THINGS YOU'LL SEE ON HERE IN TERMS OF RANGE GATORS AND 40 ACRES IS A LOT OF IT'S A LOT OF TERRAIN TO BE WALKING.

SO WE DO NEED SOME TO FACILITATE OUR RANGE MASTER.

BUT WITH THAT PART OF OUR GROWTH IS GOING TO ENCOMPASS SUBSTATIONS.

AS THE CITY MANAGER HAD MENTIONED FOR EMERALD LAKES, THERE IS A PLOT OF LAND THAT THERE'S BEEN A DISCUSSION WITH DEVELOPERS FOR AN ANNEX, PUBLIC SAFETY ANNEX FOR FIRE AND FOR POLICE. THAT WILL BE A MULTI OPERATIONAL, FULLY OPERATIONAL, FUNCTIONAL POLICE DEPARTMENT.

IT WON'T BE A SUBSTATION SIMILAR TO THE ONE ON MAIN STREET.

THIS WILL BE COMPLETELY OUTFITTED THROUGH TIME AS THE CITY CONTINUES TO GROW, GROW DOWN THERE, AS WILL THE STAFFING LEVEL CONTINUE TO GROW BASED ON OUR NEEDS.

BUT WE'LL HAVE A FRONT LOBBY.

WE WILL HAVE A BOOKING FACILITY.

WE WILL HAVE A, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE HERE, BUT TO A SMALLER VERSION FOR THE SOUTHEAST CORRIDOR, FOR EMERALD LAKES.

SO WITH THAT, IT'S GOING TO COME THAT IT WILL LEAD TO SOME SPACE NEEDED THAT I NEED HERE AT HEADQUARTERS.

AS YOU KNOW, IN THE LAST PRESENTATION BACK IN JUNE, THIS BUILDING, OUR HEADQUARTERS WAS BUILT IN 1990.

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SO THAT WILL ALLEVIATE SOME SPACING THAT I WILL RELOCATE TO THE EMERALD LAKES DIVISION PRECINCT.

BUT ALSO THERE ARE SOME PROPERTY THAT THE CITY OWNS IN THE WEST END OF MALABAR.

SO GOING BACK TO OUR 40 ACRE MULTIMILLION DOLLAR TRAINING FACILITY, WE NEED A TRAINING BUILDING, A TRAINING CENTER THAT WE DO NOT HAVE.

I CURRENTLY HAVE MY TRAINING CADRE THAT RESIDES UPSTAIRS IN OUR TRAINING ROOM, WHICH HAS BEEN.

CUT AND BROKEN OFF BECAUSE WE NEED OFFICE SPACE AND DIVIDED.

WE WOULD RELOCATE OUR TRAINING OFFICERS AND CADRES AND LIEUTENANTS AND STAFFING TO THAT TRAINING, BUILDING ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY, WHICH IS ABOUT A MILE AWAY FROM OUR TRAINING CENTER. AND THAT WILL BE FULLY EQUIPPED WITH SEVERAL CLASSROOMS FOR SCHOOLS THAT WE CAN HOST AND THESE SCHOOLS THAT WE HOST FROM EVERY ORGANIZATION THROUGH IP, TM, THROUGH OTHER COMPANIES OUT THERE THROUGHOUT THE STATE AND THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY THAT COME HERE.

AND THEN WE HOST THEY PROVIDE US WITH FREE SEATING AND REGISTRATIONS AREN'T CHEAP.

SO IT'S THERE'S A COST SAVINGS THERE LONG TERM FOR US TO RECEIVE FREE SEATING FOR OUR OFFICERS AND OUR STAFF AND EMPLOYEES TO ATTEND THESE TRAININGS WITHOUT HAVING WITHOUT A COST TO THE CITY.

SO THAT IS PART OF THAT REASON FOR A TRAINING BUILDING WILL ALSO ALLEVIATE WITH THE GROWTH SORRY, WITH OUR GROWTH FOR THE SOUTH END, I'M GOING TO NEED TO EXPAND MY DISPATCH, MY COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT.

CURRENTLY WE OPERATE THE CITY WITH TWO RADIO CHANNELS.

OUR NORTHEAST IS ONE CHANNEL, NORTHWEST, SOUTHEAST SOUTHWEST IS ANOTHER.

SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO EXPAND TO THREE.

AND THROUGH OUR FIVE YEAR GROWTH, IT WOULD EVENTUALLY GO TO FOUR.

NOW RELOCATING SOME OF OUR STAFFING TO THE EMERALD LAKES FACILITY AND ALSO TO A TRAINING FACILITY IF POSSIBLE, THAT WILL ALLEVIATE MY UPSTAIRS WHERE CURRENTLY MY TRAINING IS AND I CAN EXPAND MY COMMUNICATION CENTER.

SPEAKING A LITTLE BIT ON THAT ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE, I THINK THERE'S SOME OBSTRUCTIONS SOMETIMES IN THE COMMUNICATION.

YOU KNOW, IT JUST DOESN'T COME IN.

RIGHT. IS IT ANTENNAS OR IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE CAN DO? THAT'S A HOT TOPIC. BUT THERE IS AND I KNOW THAT BRIAN AND HIS AND HIS TEAM HAVE BEEN WORKING ON IT.

IN FACT, WE GOT AN UPDATE A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO, JUST WITNESSED THAT THAT THAT'S WHY I BOUGHT IT, CORRECT? YEAH. SO THERE IS SOME ISSUES THERE.

I'M NOT REALLY BILINGUAL WITH THAT IN THAT DEPARTMENT.

BUT I DO KNOW THAT BRIAN AND VERIZON AND SOME OTHER VENDORS THAT HAVE BEEN WORKING ON GETTING SOME HIGHER POWER ISSUE.

ABSOLUTELY. COPY THAT.

SO SO TO KEEP YOU OFF TRACK.

NO, YOU'RE FINE. YOU'RE FINE.

SO FOR YEAR ONE, GOING BACK TO THE VEHICLES NOW, THAT'S THE LAYOUT.

SO 34 VEHICLES, 40 VEHICLES PER YEAR TO FI, 24, 38 VEHICLES FOR FY 25, 39, 39.

AND BY THE END OF THE YEAR OF THAT FIFTH YEAR FOR THIS VEHICLE REPLACEMENT PROGRAM, THE CARS THAT NEEDED TO BE REPLACED CURRENTLY TODAY WILL BE REPLACED.

AND THEN THIS WILL JUST CONTINUE ON A CONSTANT REPLACE.

NOW I HAVE SEDANS, UNMARKED VEHICLES THAT ARE MY DETECTIVES VEHICLES.

NOW THE WEAR AND TEAR WITH THOSE VEHICLES.

ARE NOT AS REOCCURRING AS OUR PATROL CAR.

RIGHT, BECAUSE OUR PATROL CAR AVERAGED BETWEEN 2 TO 300 MILES A SHIFT ON THEIR VEHICLES.

SO OUR UNMARKED, WHICH ARE OUR DETECTIVE VEHICLES, THEY DON'T PUT THEM ANY MILES UNDER CAR.

SO LONGEVITY FOR THOSE VEHICLES WOULD BE LONGER AND LESS MAINTENANCE.

HOWEVER, TO KEEP IT CONSISTENT BASED ON OUR LOGISTICS MANAGER AND OUR FLEET MANAGER, A FIVE YEAR ROTATION OF ALL OF OUR STAFF TO KEEP THEM NEW AND FRESH SIMILAR TO OUR OUR EQUIPMENT FOR OUR BALLISTIC VESTS EVERY FIVE YEARS.

WE HAVE TO HAVE THEM REPLACED FOR OUR OFFICERS.

BUT IT'S IT'S MANDATED.

SO THIS WOULD BE THE SAME THING FOR VEHICLES THAT EVERY FIVE YEARS OUR VEHICLES ARE REPLACED, THAT OUR OFFICERS RUNNING LIGHTS AND SIRENS STILL CALL TO SAVE A LIFE OR TO A STRUCTURE FIRE TO HELP FD OR TO AN INFANT THAT'S DROWNING THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT.

IS MY CAR GOING TO BREAK DOWN TONIGHT? YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S BEEN A REOCCURRING THEME AND IT'S PROBLEMATIC NOW, BUT FOLKS HAVE BEEN GREAT ABOUT IT.

AND FOR YEARS WE'VE WORKED THROUGH IT WITH BAND-AIDS.

BUT WE DO NEED A LONG TERM SOLUTION, A CONSISTENT FUNDING FOR A VEHICLE REPLACEMENT PROGRAM, WHICH IS A PRIORITY.

THE NUMBERS ARE THERE THAT WE ALSO ENCOMPASS A TRANSPORT VAN THAT IS OVER 20 YEARS OLD.

OUR CRIME SCENE VANS ARE OVER 20 YEARS OLD.

SO THAT'S THE PLAN FOR OUR VEHICLE REPLACEMENT.

SO FROM FOUR YEAR 23 TO YOUR FISCAL YEAR 27, A FIVE YEAR REPLACEMENT PLAN THAT IT WILL BE REOCCURRING EVERY FIVE YEARS OR EVERY YEAR, WE GET VEHICLES REPLACED CONSTANTLY.

RIGHT NOW WE HAVE WE'RE SLOTTED FOR EIGHT NEW VEHICLES BECAUSE CURRENTLY WE HAVE 176 SWORN POSITIONS.

IF THEY WERE ALL FILLED TODAY, I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH CARS.

WE'RE SHORT AND I DON'T HAVE REPLACEMENT CARS IF A CAR BREAKS DOWN.

WE CURRENTLY HAVE TWO AND.

THEY'RE HORRIBLE. SO I HAVE TWO REPLACEMENT VEHICLES.

IF MY CAR IF ONE OF OUR OFFICER'S VEHICLES BROKE DOWN ON THE ROAD AND IF THOSE TWO ARE GONE, I HAVE NOTHING TO REPLACE THEM.

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SO THAT'S THE SITUATION THAT WE'RE IN WITH OUR VEHICLES.

THIS IS A PRIORITY FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE STRATEGIC GROWTH.

YES, THAT'S ALSO IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO KEEP UP WITH THE TIMES.

WE CAN'T CONTINUE TO STAY BACK, I BELIEVE THE CITY MANAGER SAID AT SEVERAL COUNCIL MEETINGS AGO.

THE REASON WHY THESE NUMBERS ARE HIGH IN TERMS OF COST IS BECAUSE.

WE NEVER ADDRESSED IT OVER THE YEARS.

WE JUST CONTINUE TO PUT BAND-AIDS OVER IT.

THANKS, BRIAN. SO NOT MENTIONED IN THAT VEHICLE REPLACEMENT PROGRAM ARE TWO VERY IMPORTANT THINGS PIECES OF EQUIPMENT, AND THAT IS OUR UNIFIED COMMAND BUS.

SO YEARS AGO, WHEN WE PURCHASED A UNIFIED COMMAND BUS OR A COMMAND VEHICLE, BACK THEN IT'S BEEN SEVERAL YEARS.

THE PURPOSE BEHIND IT AND THE REASON BEHIND IT WAS IT WAS GOING TO BE A UNIFIED COMMAND BUS FOR THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

THAT'S WHY IF YOU LOOK AT IT NOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL FADED.

YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A FIRE EMBLEM ON IT, PD EMBLEM ON IT, AND THE CITY'S EMBLEM ON IT.

IT'S VERY OLD, AND I'LL PUT IT THAT IN TERMS OF THE EXTERIOR AND THE BODY OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE THAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.

BUT IN TERMS OF OUR EQUIPMENT INTERNALLY RIGHT NOW, I DON'T HAVE A BACKUP COMMUNICATION CENTER.

IF, GOD FORBID, SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN TO OUR COMMUNICATIONS SPACE, FIRE DAMAGE, WATER DAMAGE, WE DON'T HAVE A BACKUP.

THAT USED TO BE OUR BACKUP.

AND RIGHT NOW THE EQUIPMENT THAT'S INSIDE THAT VEHICLE IS OUTDATED AND NOT COMPATIBLE WITH OUR CURRENT SOFTWARE AND ONE SOLUTION IN OUR CAD.

SO TO GET IT UP TO WHERE WE NEED IT TO BE, PARTICULARLY NOW WITH THE NEW 25 COMPLIANCE RADIOS THAT WE'RE GOING TO, IT'S GOING TO COST ME $166,000 TO GET IT TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE.

AND FULLY FUNCTIONAL AND OPERATIONAL.

MY SWAT VEHICLE.

WE DON'T OWN ONE OUTRIGHT AT ALL.

THESE ARE ALL LOAN FROM THE GOVERNMENT.

AS I MENTIONED, IN JUNE, WE HAD THREE.

ONE HAS BEEN SINCE JUNE HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM OUR FLEET BECAUSE IT'S BEEN PROBLEMATIC AND COSTING THE CITY MONEY AND VERY OLD.

A SECOND ONE IS ON THE CUSP OF BEING REMOVED.

AND THAT LEAVES ME WITH THE BIG ONE, THE MRAP, WHICH IS NOT FUNCTIONAL FOR ITS NEEDS SOMETIMES, PARTICULARLY FOR THE SOUTH END OF THE CITY, WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE GATED COMMUNITIES, SUBDIVISIONS, BECAUSE IT'S A VERY BIG TRUCK.

SO. AND WE DON'T OWN IT.

SO I WOULD LIKE THE CITY OF PALM BAY, THE CITY THIS SIZE, THE CITY OF.

AND WE'RE CONTINUING TO GROW AND WE'RE NOT STOPPING TO HAVE ITS OWN EMERGENCY RESPONSE VEHICLE.

AND OF COURSE, WE ALSO HAVE IN THERE WE DON'T HAVE A VEHICLE OR A VAN FOR OUR NEGOTIATIONS FOR A CRISIS NEGOTIATIONS TEAM.

SO BUT FROM A PRIORITY STANDPOINT, MY COMMAND BUS AND MY SWAT TRUCK, THAT'S THAT GOES ALONG THE LINES WITH MY FIVE YEAR REPLACEMENT VEHICLE PROGRAM FOR OUR PATROLS IN UNMARKED VEHICLES.

SO WE DID LOOK AT EVERYTHING IN TERMS OF PURCHASING VEHICLES AND LEASING VEHICLES.

YES, PURCHASING VEHICLES ARE EXPENSIVE.

AND THEN WE ADD 10% INFLATION JUST TO BE SAFE, BUT ALWAYS CHANGES.

BUT THE SAME THING WILL APPLY TO LEASE VEHICLES.

SO OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS, I'VE SPOKEN TO SEVERAL DEPARTMENT HEADS FROM OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, POLICE DEPARTMENTS AND SHERIFF'S OFFICE IN TERMS OF WHAT'S BETTER LEASING OR PURCHASING, WHAT'S WHAT'S MORE EFFECTIVE, COST EFFECTIVE LONGEVITY.

AND THEY'RE LIKE, DEFINITELY DO NOT LEASE YOUR PATROL VEHICLES BECAUSE IT'S YOUR BIGGER FLEET, RIGHT? BECAUSE AT THE END OF A CONTRACT, IF IT DOESN'T GO WELL TO RENEW THE CONTRACT, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CARS, YOU KNOW.

SO WE DO CURRENTLY LEASE VEHICLES WITHIN OUR FLEET.

RIGHT NOW WE LEASE OUR UNDERCOVERS.

WE ARE LEASING OUR OUR STAFF VEHICLES AS WELL.

BUT IT'S JUST THE COST SAVINGS.

ISN'T THAT GREAT TO WHERE IT SAYS, OH, YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S A NO BRAINER.

WE SHOULD GO WITH THE LEASING ROUTE.

AND THEN AT THE END OF THE DAY, AS A DEPARTMENT, OUR SIZE IN THE CITY, OUR SIZE, WE WOULDN'T OWN ANYTHING IN OUR FLEET.

SO SO THOSE OPTIONS WERE AVAILABLE.

WE COULDN'T GET REAL NUMBERS FOR THIS PRESENTATION UNLESS THERE WAS A CONTRACT.

SO BUT WE WERE TALKING TO THE OTHER POLICE DEPARTMENTS, OUR NEIGHBORING POLICE DEPARTMENTS.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY RECOMMENDED BECAUSE SOME OF THEM DO IT.

THE SMALLER AGENCIES THAT ONLY HAVE A FEW.

YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S REALLY DOABLE BECAUSE I HAVE A 20, 20 VEHICLE FLEET NOT A PROBLEM.

SO. AS OF JUNE.

I KNOW WE JUST GOT ONE FOR JULY.

THE UPDATES FOR OUR IMPACT FEES.

SO 32909 IS OUR LARGEST ACCOUNT IN TERMS OF OUR IMPACT FEES.

THAT'S WHERE ALL THE GROWTH IS AND NORTHWEST IS THERE AS WELL.

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SO THIS IS GOING BACK TO OUR STRATEGIC PLAN FOR GROWTH.

I TOUCHED ON IT, BUT THIS IS KIND OF GIVES IT A BREAKDOWN.

IT'S GOING TO CONSIST OF FOR YOUR YEAR ONE OF FISCAL YEAR 23 FOR POLICE OFFICERS, TRAFFIC OFFICERS, OUR COMMUNICATIONS OFFICERS, AND THEN A.

SHIFT SUPERVISORS FOR A CENTER.

SEE, WHAT'S IMPORTANT FOR OUR COMM CENTERS IS, YES, WE'RE SHORT HAVING A HARD TIME FILLING THEM, BUT OUR SUPERVISORS ARE ALSO.

DISPATCHER SO THEY'RE NOT TRULY OVERSEEING BECAUSE THEY ALSO HAVE TO MAN THE RADIO BECAUSE WE'RE SHORT.

SO IDEALLY WHEN WE DO GROW AND THINGS GET BETTER AND SALARIES ARE, YOU KNOW, STUDIES ARE COMPLETED AND LOOKED AT, I DON'T ANTICIPATE US HAVING A PROBLEM FILLING THOSE POSITIONS.

AND SO I WOULD LIKE MY THREE SHIFT SUPERVISORS TO GO BACK TO BEING FULL TIME SUPERVISORS.

THAT'S GOING TO HELP WITH OUR RESPONSE TIMES DECREASING, BUT ALSO BEING FULLY STAFFED MORALE.

SO THE SAME THING THAT WE'RE DOING FOR OUR PATROL OFFICERS.

I NEED TO DO THE SAME THING FOR OUR COMMUNICATIONS OFFICERS BECAUSE THAT'S ALSO A IT'S A 40 PERSON DEPARTMENT.

FISCAL YEAR 24. SAME THING WE'RE GOING AS WE'RE INCREASING, WE'RE ADDING AS THE CITY IS GROWING.

OUR STRATEGIC PLAN TO THEN EXPAND AND ADD OFFICERS WILL ALSO EXPAND INTO OUR INVESTIGATIONS, OUR MAJOR CASE DETECTIVES, WHICH HANDLES HOMICIDES, ROBBERIES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, OUR FRAUD CASES, OUR TASK FORCE OFFICERS.

I CURRENTLY HAVE NO TASK FORCE POSITIONS, FULL TIME TASK FORCE POSITIONS BECAUSE I HAD TO TAKE THEM AWAY.

I HAD TO BRAND A ROAD OR PATROL.

BUT THERE WAS A GREAT NETWORKS AND PARTNERSHIPS TO HAVE FOR OUR CITY, OUR SIZE.

THEY HAVE RESOURCES THAT WE DESPERATELY NEED.

AGAIN FISCAL YEAR 25.

SO IT GOES ALL THE WAY TO FISCAL YEAR 27.

IN TERMS OF AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW, AS THE CITY IS EXPANDING AND GROWING, WE'RE THEN IMPLEMENTING BY FISCAL YEAR 24, 25, OUR FOURTH DISTRICT.

AND BY THAT POINT, BY BY THE END OF THAT, WE'LL HAVE FOUR OFFICERS PER OR WE HAVE INCREASED IT.

WE'LL HAVE OUR SOUTHEAST, SOUTHWEST, NORTHEAST AND AND NORTHWEST AND EACH DIVISION.

THEN WE'LL HAVE 36 PERSONNEL AS OPPOSED TO CURRENTLY.

RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 25 ON NIGHTSHIFT AND 22 ON DAY SHIFT.

SO THERE'LL BE AN INCREASE ACROSS THE BOARD AND INCREASING OUR CIVILIAN STAFF.

WE HAVE TO INCREASE OUR RECORD SPECIALIST POSITIONS OR MATERIALS MANAGEMENT, WHICH ENCOMPASSES OUR PROPERTY AND EVIDENCE, OUR COMMUNICATION CENTER, AND OF COURSE, OBVIOUSLY OUR OUR SWORN CAPACITY.

LIKE I MENTIONED IN THE BEGINNING, THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY, A VEHICLE REPLACEMENT PROGRAM.

YES. THE A PLAN FOR GROWTH.

WE HAVE IT. IN FACT, WE HAD IT TO TWO YEARS AGO AND IT STILL APPLIES.

IT'S APPLICABLE NOW. THAT'S GREAT TO HAVE ALL THAT STAFFING, BUT IT DOES ME NOTHING IF I DON'T HAVE VEHICLES ANNUALLY REPLACING AND FILLING THOSE POSITIONS AND CURRENTLY WITH OUR STAFFING.

YEAH, THERE ARE SOME STRUGGLES.

AGAIN, I KNOW WITH WHAT THE CITY MANAGER AND HER STAFF IS DOING.

I AM NOT CHANGING, BUT CURRENTLY THEY NOW HAVE 24 VACANCIES FOR OFFICERS.

BUT I HAVE NAMES OF 17 OF THOSE.

YES, THEY'RE NOT HERE, BUT THERE'S NAMES TO THOSE POSITIONS.

I CURRENTLY HAVE 11 VACANCIES FOR OUR COMM CENTER AND I BELIEVE I HAVE ONE OR TWO NAMES FOR THOSE POSITIONS.

SO IT'S A MATTER OF THEM GETTING OUT.

IF WE GET 80 TO 85% OF THOSE OFFICERS THAT ARE NAMES THAT GRADUATE AND MAKE IT THROUGH THE PROGRAM, THAT WILL HELP TREMENDOUSLY, THAT ARE HELPED TREMENDOUSLY. BUT WHAT I DON'T WANT, BRIAN, IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE THE GRAPH THAT SHOWS THE POPULATION.

YEAH. WHAT WE CAN'T HAVE.

SO ARE.

GO TO THE FIRST ONE. KEEP GOING.

KEEP GOING. NEXT ONE? YEP.

YEAH. WHAT WE CAN HAVE IS.

YOU KNOW, AFTER FISCAL YEAR 23, WHERE WE'RE GETTING WE'RE GAINING SIX NEW POSITIONS, THAT'LL PUT US AT 182.

BUT BECAUSE WE'RE STILL GROWING, THE CITY IS NOT STOPPING.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO STOP. RIGHT. WE'RE NOT.

WE'RE CONTINUING TO GROW. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.

IF WE STAY THAT WAY AND DON'T RECEIVE ANY ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL, WE'RE DROPPING AT 1.23.

NOW, EVEN IF WE GO TO THE PROPOSED 56 OFFICERS TO COVER THE CITY IN ALL CAPACITIES, WE'RE STILL BELOW THE 2.0 RECOMMENDED BY FDLE.

HOWEVER, LOOK HOW CLOSE WE'VE WE'VE.

WE CLOSE THE GAP TREMENDOUSLY.

SO IT'S VITALLY IMPORTANT.

ANY QUESTIONS? YES, SIR.

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RIGHT. SO I WANT TO COMMEND YOU ON THAT.

I THINK WHAT'S EYE POPPING TO ME IS THE OVER EIGHT MINUTE RESPONSE TIME.

AND THEN AS OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS GO AROUND THE COUNTY, THEY GET STUCK SOMEWHERE.

THEY DON'T HAVE PEACE OF MIND WHEN THEY'RE DRIVING THESE VEHICLES.

SO JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT YOU DID AN OUTSTANDING JOB, BUT I HAD YOU KNOW, I KNOW THIS IS AGGRESSIVE WHEN IT COMES TO THESE.

VEHICLES, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU GOT A LOT OF SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES, RIGHT? YOU CAN'T EVEN GET A VEHICLE IF IF YOU FOUND A FEW.

IS THAT IS THAT WHERE WE'RE AT? THERE'S DELAYS. CORRECT.

SO WE WE HAD, I BELIEVE, 15 OR 17 VEHICLES THAT CAME IN A YEAR AGO.

AND DUE TO SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES AND EQUIPMENT ISSUES.

BUT THEY'RE GETTING PUT OUT, I THINK WE HAVE EIGHT RIGHT NOW THAT OUR FLEET AND OUR OUTSOURCES COMPANIES ARE WORKING ON THAT SHOULD BE BACK ON THE ROAD HOPEFULLY SHORTLY.

FOR OUR FOLKS 17 THAT HAVE COME BACK.

CORRECT. AND THEN WE CURRENTLY HAVE SEVEN THAT WE ORDERED THIS PAST YEAR.

I BELIEVE THAT WE'RE STILL WAITING ON.

AND CORRECT. IT IS AGGRESSIVE, MR. MAYOR. BUT AGAIN, TO GO BACK, IF WE DON'T IMPLEMENT SOMETHING, WHETHER THERE'S A SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUE OR NOT AND A DELAY IN RECEIVING.

WE'RE GOING TO BE WORSE OFF IN FIVE YEARS THAN WHERE WE ARE TODAY TO WHERE I DON'T KNOW HOW WE RECOVER FROM THAT IN TERMS OF FUNDING.

SO I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO RECOVER SOME TIME, CORRECT? RIGHT. YOU HAVE TO START MAKING UP THE GAP SOMETIME.

AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THAT.

CHIEF COUNSEL.

ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. I WANT TO START OFF WITH THE TRAINING FACILITY.

I KNOW IT'S A GREAT TRAINING FACILITY YOU GUYS HAVE THERE.

IS THERE ANY CHANCE THAT YOU GUYS CAN RUN IT AS AN ENTERPRISE FUND? KIND OF, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE OTHER DEPARTMENTS WILL PAY TO USE IT.

I'M SURE YOU DON'T DO THAT NOW, BUT.

OR IF THAT'S EVEN KOSHER.

WELL, WE DO HAVE A FEE THAT OTHER AGENCIES DO USE, UTILIZE OUR RANGE.

I MEAN, IT'S NOT AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT, BUT THERE IS A FEE TO USE OUR FACILITY.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

SO ANOTHER THING I WANTED TO TOUCH ON, WHICH WASN'T TOUCHED ON, IS THE VEHICLES THAT COME IN.

WE BUY THESE BRAND NEW VEHICLES AND THEN THEY SIT IN THE LOT FOR, LET'S SAY, OVER SIX MONTHS, WAITING TO BE DRIVEN, WAITING TO BE OUTFITTED.

IS THERE A SHORTFALL THERE WHEN IT COMES TO FLEET, WHEN IT COMES TO MARKETING, TO VEHICLES AND PUTTING LIGHTS ON AND PUTTING THE RADIOS IN THEM AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT? WELL, I BELIEVE THEY'RE ALL BEING OUTSOURCED.

YES. SO FLEET ISN'T DOING ALL OF THE WORK TO THEM.

I MEAN, WE ARE PAYING A LITTLE BIT MORE TO GET A QUICKER TURNAROUND.

ONCE WE DO GET THE VEHICLES AND ONCE THE EQUIPMENT FOR THE VEHICLES DO ARRIVE, FLEET IS SENDING THEM OUT AND GETTING THEM OUT.

SOURCE FOR OUR LIGHTS AND OUR RAIDER RADIO INSTALLS AND EVERYTHING OF THAT NATURE.

WHAT WE'RE DOING INTERNALLY, IN-HOUSE IN TERMS OF THE CITY IS OUR IS OUR GRAPHIC DESIGNS AND OUR TRAFFIC OPS DIVISION TAKES CARE OF THAT FOR US.

SO WHAT'S THE TURNAROUND ON ON A NEW VEHICLE THEN, AS OF RIGHT NOW? I APOLOGIZE. THIS IS COMMANDER ZANDER.

COMMANDER. COMMANDER.

SO NOW IF WE SEND A VEHICLE OUT TO STROKE TO GET DONE, THEY CAN GET IT BACK TO US ABOUT FIVE DAYS.

AND TYPICALLY FLEET BECAUSE OF THE MANNING SHORTAGES, THE CARS BREAKING DOWN, SO ON AND SO FORTH, IT MAY TAKE THEM EIGHT MONTHS TO GET A CAR OUT.

NOW IT'S ABOUT FOUR DAYS WITH STROKE.

SO WHAT WE DO NOW IS WHEN WE GET THE CARS IN HERE TO THE FLEET, THEY PUT THE STRIPING ON, THEY GET WITH STROBES.

THAT'S THE COMPANY THAT THAT WE USE TO NOW PUT OUR CARS TOGETHER.

THEY THEN ORDER ALL THE PARTS THEY LET US KNOW WHEN THEY'RE IN.

WE SHIP THE CARS TO THEM.

AND AS SOON AS THEY GET THE CARS, IT'S ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE DAYS TO GET THOSE CARS BACK.

THANK YOU, COMMANDER. THAT'S GREAT TO HEAR.

BECAUSE PREVIOUSLY I WAS HEARING SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT MONTHS, POSSIBLY OVER A YEAR FOR A VEHICLE TO GET OUTFITTED.

SO. SO THANK YOU FOR WE STILL HAVE THE THE PROBLEM IN THE SUPPLY CHAIN.

SO IT'S STILL TAKING STROBES A LITTLE BIT TO GET THE EQUIPMENT.

BUT ONCE THEY GET IT, THEY PUT IT TOGETHER IN FOUR DAYS AND IT'S OUT.

UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. YEAH.

HOW LONG IS THAT? THE PARTS.

HOW LONG THAT STROBES NEEDS TO OUTFIT IT.

THEY'RE THEIR SUPPLY SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES.

RIGHT. SO WE'RE TALKING.

THAT'S WHERE THE PUMPS IS.

YEAH. IS THAT CORRECT? BECAUSE I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP BECAUSE COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO WAS THINKING, YOU KNOW, IT TAKES MONTHS, IT'S A QUICK TURNAROUND TIME WHEN ALL THE PARTS ARE THERE, BUT THE LAG IS HOW LONG IT TAKES FOR THEM TO GET THAT STUFF.

IT STILL TAKES ABOUT 7 TO 8 MONTHS TO BE ABLE TO GET THE EQUIPMENT IN.

BUT WHEN FLEET WAS PUTTING THEM TOGETHER WITH THEIR MANNING SHORTAGES, THEY JUST DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO PUT THEM TOGETHER.

SO IT WOULD TAKE 6 TO 8 MONTHS TO GET THE EQUIPMENT AND THEN IT WOULD TAKE ANOTHER 2 TO 3 MONTHS TO GET A CAR OUT.

AND NOW WE'RE WAITING 6 TO 8 MONTHS FOR STROBE TO GET THE EQUIPMENT.

AND WE'RE GETTING IT BACK IN FOUR DAYS.

IT WAS A MIX OF BOTH. ALL RIGHT.

AND ALSO, I MEAN, JUST JUST TO REMEMBER, FOR OUR POLICE VEHICLES, WE HAVE TWO DEDICATED MECHANICS TO THAT.

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MY CAR JUST BROKE DOWN. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REFERRING TO, THAT THEY'RE THEY'RE BACKED UP IN TERMS OF THAT.

SO. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, CHIEF.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR.

COUNCILMAN FELIX. IT'S BEEN FOSTER.

YES. THANKS, MAN.

GOOD JOB, CHIEF. AND YOUR PRESENTATION.

I'M CURIOUS ABOUT SOME THINGS.

DO WE HAVE A TAKE HOME VEHICLE POLICY? YES. IS THAT SAVING THE LIFESPAN OF THE VEHICLE? WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SAVING THE LIFESPAN OF THE VEHICLE OR NOT.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT I MEAN BY THAT.

IS THE VEHICLE LASTING LONGER BECAUSE THERE'S SOME DOWNTIME AT AN OFFICER RESIDENCE? CORRECT. SO LONGEVITY FOR A VEHICLE WE'VE RECOGNIZED OVER THE YEARS BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS BEEN BROUGHT UP.

YOU KNOW, WHAT'S WHAT'S THE PROS AND CONS WITH THE TAKE HOME CAR PROGRAM IS THEY TREAT IT LIKE IT'S THEIR OWN VEHICLE.

THEY TAKE CARE OF IT.

THEY MAINTAIN IT IN TERMS OF CLEANLINESS AND MAKING IT LOOK SHARP.

AND YES, WHEN THEY'RE NOT WORKING, IT'S PARKED.

IF WE'RE NOT SEATING CARS AS WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING BECAUSE OF NEED RIGHT NOW ON NIGHT SHIFT.

LIKE I BELIEVE THE MERIT SET IT YOU'RE AND THE DEPUTY MAYOR YOU'RE DOUBLING THE MILES EVERY DAY.

IT'S USED BEING UTILIZED 24/7.

SO THERE IS NO BREAK.

SO, YES, YOUR VEHICLE THAT WOULD NEED TO BE REPLACED IN FIVE YEARS WILL BE NEED TO BE REPLACED IN MAYBE TWO YEARS, TWO AND A HALF YEARS, BECAUSE YOU'RE PUTTING DOUBLE THE WORK ON IT AND DOUBLE THE MILES AND DOUBLE THE SERVICE.

SO. YES.

AND YOU KNOW.

A. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE WHEN I WAS A PATROL OFFICER A LONG TIME AGO, HAVING A NICE VEHICLE TO COME IN AND START YOUR SHIFT IT BOOST MORALE.

YEAH. AND AND YOU'VE GOT A HIGH MORALE YOU GOT.

WE HAVE OFFICERS WANTING TO STAY AND SERVE.

ONE THING CONCERN ME IS YOU POINTED OUT IS THE SWAT ARMORED PERSONNEL CARRIER.

WE DON'T HAVE ONE THAT IF WE HAVE A SITUATION LIKE A SHOOTING OR SOMEONE.

THAT HAPPENS ALL OVER AMERICA.

SOMEBODY STARTS SHOOTING OUT OF OUR HOUSE OR SOMETHING.

YOU'RE GOING TO CALL YOUR SWAT TEAM TO TRY TO ALLEVIATE THE THREAT.

AND THAT VEHICLE IS ONE OF THE VEHICLES THAT THEY MIGHT SHOW UP ON THE SCENE, RIGHT? CORRECT. AND WE DON'T HAVE ONE THAT.

THE ONE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HAS NO AC IN IT.

BUT WE HAVE ONE.

WE JUST DON'T OWN IT.

THE CITY OF PALM BAY DOES NOT OWN THE VEHICLE THAT WE HAVE.

WE GOT IT FROM THE OROMO THROUGH THE GOVERNMENT PROGRAM, 1033 PROGRAM.

MANY WANT TO SEE 2012.

AND IT'S ONE OF THOSE VEHICLES THAT WAS USED OVERSEAS.

AND IT'S.

IT SERVED A PURPOSE, AND IT STILL DOES.

BUT WITH ANYTHING GROWTH, YOU HAVE TO STRATEGIZE TO MATCH THAT GROWTH.

SO WITH US IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, AS YOU KNOW, MR. FOSTER OR COUNCILMAN FOSTER, WE HAVE TO EVOLVE WITH OUR TACTICS.

WE HAVE TO EVOLVE. AND OUR FOLKS HAVE OUR SWAT TEAM HAS OUR TACTICAL RESPONSE TEAM HAS EVOLVED OVER THE YEARS.

SO AS WE EVOLVE, TACTICS CHANGE.

IT'S NOT ALWAYS THE BIG BAD TRUCK.

WE MAY NEED A COUPLE FOR PARTICULAR INCIDENTS.

AND YES, THERE'S MUTUAL AID.

BUT AGAIN, A CITY OF OUR SIZE, WE SHOULD HAVE OUR OWN SWAT VEHICLE, OUR OWN EMERGENCY RESPONSE VEHICLE.

I AGREE WITH YOU, BECAUSE THAT COULD SAVE AN OFFICER LIFE.

AND OUR CITIZENS AND THE CITIZENS.

ABSOLUTELY. AND THE UNIFIED COMMAND BUS.

I'VE GOT SOME EXPERIENCE IN THAT.

IF WE HAD A SITUATION WHERE A NATURAL DISASTER, IT COULD BE A.

A TRAIN WRECK.

OR SPILLED CHEMICAL SPILL OR A RIOT OR.

WHATEVER THAT.

WOULD OUR COMMAND.

HOW WOULD YOU SHOW UP ON THE SCENE? GIVEN THAT YOU NEED A NEW BUS, HOW WOULD YOU? OPERATE THAT SITUATION WITHOUT THAT COMMAND BUS LIKE WE HAVE BEEN FOR FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS ON THE TRUNKS OF VEHICLES.

THAT'S HOW WE'VE BEEN RUNNING THE INCIDENTS.

NOW, THAT COMMAND BUS IS GREAT WHEN IT'S HOT OUT THERE BECAUSE IT HAS AC.

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WOW. THAT'S ONE OF YOUR PRIORITIES TO HAVE.

SO WHEN YOU SAY 166,000, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A NEW BUS OR.

NO, SIR. SO 166,000 WILL COVER.

THE BODY OF IT TO CLEAN IT UP, YOU KNOW, RE STRIPE IT AND THAT'S ABOUT TEN OR 11,000.

BUT 100 AND 5050 5000 IS FOR THE INSIDE, FOR THE SOFTWARE, FOR THE EQUIPMENT TO BE COMPATIBLE, FOR US TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE AND COMMUNICATE FOR OUR COMM CENTER FOR OUR CAT SYSTEM. CORRECT.

NOW IT'S FOR THE SAME VEHICLE.

WE HAVE A NICE VEHICLE. WE JUST CAN'T USE IT.

WE DON'T HAVE THE UPDATED EQUIPMENT CORRECT TO OUTFITTING.

OKAY. SO.

AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PATROL VEHICLES TO.

CURRENTLY NOT. AND YOU SAY, BUT WE'RE ALSO NOT FULLY, FULLY STAFFED EITHER.

NOT FULLY STAFFED. SO ON A GIVEN DAY LIKE TODAY, HOW MANY VEHICLES IS OUT? MORE PATROL VEHICLES OUT ON THE STREET? WELL, AGAIN, LIKE FOR DAY SHIFT, THERE'S A LOT OF FOUR, 22 OFFICERS.

SO IT DEPENDS. NORMALLY YOUR AVERAGE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WAS 15 TO 17.

18 IS A GOOD NUMBER.

LATELY BECAUSE OF COVID OVER THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF, MORALE WOULD BREAK DOWN.

WE COULD AVERAGE 10 TO 14.

ON A SHIP FOR THE WHOLE CITY.

THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S GETTING INTO SOME CRITICAL NUMBERS.

WHAT YOU SAY? YEAH.

YEAH, BUT.

PATROL VEHICLES.

IF WE IF YOU HAVE 18 OFFICERS, LET'S HYPOTHETICAL ON A SHIFT AND TWO VEHICLES BREAK DOWN.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.