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THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD SPECIAL MEETING OF SEPTEMBER SIX IS NOW CALLED TO ORDER.
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MR. WEINBERG, WOULD YOU LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE? EVERYONE, PLEASE RISE AND FACE THE FLAG.HOW WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLE, PLEASE? YES. MR. BOEREMA PRESIDENT.
MR. KARAFFA, WE ARE EXPECTING AND OUR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY, RODNEY EDWARDS, IS PRESENT.
WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU FOR ANNOUNCEMENTS.
[ANNOUNCEMENTS:]
THE SEPTEMBER 29 SPECIAL MEETING FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD HAS BEEN CANCELED.THAT ITEM HAS BEEN ADDED TO TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
SO WE HAVE OUR FIRST CASE, MR. ANDERSON. I.
OH, I'M SORRY. GIVE ME A MINUTE.
THAT'S FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE APPLICANTS AND THE AUDIENCE.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD IS AN ADVISORY BOARD COMPRISED OF UNPAID VOLUNTEERS.
THE LAND DEVELOPMENT STAFF WILL PRESENT THE STAFF REPORT FOR EACH CASE.
BOARD MEMBERS WILL THEN BE ASKED IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
FLOOR WILL THEN BE OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
WE WILL FIRST HEAR FROM THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE APPLICATION AND THEN THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION FOR ALL PROCEEDINGS, ALL APPLICANTS AND SPEAKERS FROM THE AUDIENCE MUST SIGN A SPEAKER OATH CARD LOCATED AT THE PODIUM AND AT THE BACK OF THE ROOM.
IF THERE IS A GROUP OF PEOPLE FROM A NEIGHBORHOOD WHO HAVE THE SAME SIMILAR COMMENTS, YOU MAY INFORMALLY APPOINT A SPOKESMAN TO CLARIFY YOUR VIEWS AFTER PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WILL BRING THE CASE BACK TO THE BOARD.
AT THIS TIME, THE FLOOR WILL BE CLOSED AND NO FURTHER COMMENTS WILL BE FROM THE AUDIENCE, WILL BE HEARD, WILL THEN CALL FOR A MOTION IN A SECOND AT WHICH TIME THE BOARD MAY HAVE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR FURTHER DISCUSSION AND WILL THEN CALL FOR A VOTE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENDANCE AND FOR YOUR COOPERATION IN ADHERING TO THE MEETING GUIDELINES.
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ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING.JESSIE ANDERSON, ASSISTANT GROWTH MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR.
NOW, NOT NINE ARE SORRY ABOUT THAT.
IT IS APPROXIMATELY 160.51 ACRES IN SIZE AND THE REQUESTED ZONING IS PWD.
THIS FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WOULD ENACT THAT ZONING.
LOTS OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT CALLED CHAPARRAL PHASES FOUR AND FIVE.
FOR THIS CASE, IT DOES MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS OF A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN SUBJECT TO THE STAFF COMMENTS CONTAINED IN THE REPORT, WHICH WE DO EXPECT TO BE ADHERED TO AT THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION PLAN PHASE.
STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND SO IS THE APPLICANT.
THANK YOU. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? QUICK REGARDS TO THE TECHNICAL COMMENTS THAT YOU HAVE HERE AS THIS ALREADY BEEN REVIEWED WITH THE DEVELOPER OR THE COMMENTS THEMSELVES.
SO THEY SHOULD BE AWARE OF ALL THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE DO HAVE LEFT.
SIKORSKI THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
MR. ANDERSON, TWO QUESTIONS IS, ARE THESE THE FINAL PHASES OF THIS PROJECT? FOR THAT ANSWER, I WOULD DEFER TO THE DEVELOPER.
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I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE IN THE VICINITY THAT THEY'RE HOPING FOR.ALL RIGHT. I'LL ASK. THANK YOU.
QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD SAYING THEN WILL THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, JAKE WEISS, CIVIL ENGINEER FOR THE PROJECT.
THIS ADDRESS IS 2651, WEST OF GALILEE BOULEVARD.
THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN A DECADE AND A HALF IN THE MAKING.
WE DO HAVE A MASTER PLAN APPROVED.
THESE ARE THE LAST TWO PHASES.
AND THEY ARE IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE OVERALL MASTER PLAN.
WE ACTUALLY REDUCE THE DENSITY A LITTLE BIT COMPARED TO THE OVERALL MASTER PLAN.
WE TOOK SOME TOWNHOMES AND MADE THEM SINGLE FAMILY HOMES INSTEAD THAT WERE IN THIS FINAL PHASE.
PHASES ONE AND TWO ARE COMPLETELY BUILT OUT.
WE PUT IN A MAIN BOULEVARD ENTRANCE.
WE PUT A TRAFFIC SIGNAL IN IT.
WE'VE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE WEST.
AT MALABAR LAKES WEST, WE PUT UP FENCES EARLY.
WE HAVE HAD OUR OF COURSE, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS AND THINGS OF THAT SORT.
SO THEY'VE GOTTEN TO KNOW US PRETTY WELL OVER THE YEARS.
BUT WITH OUR FINAL TWO PHASES HERE, FOUR AND FIVE, PHASE THREE IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION AT THIS TIME.
AND WE WERE HOPING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH 522 LOTS.
WE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE AND WHEN WE SUBMIT FINAL CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS, WE WILL HAVE TAKEN CARE OF ALL OF THOSE COMMENTS AS WELL AND STAFF WILL REVIEW THEM WITH US AS WE GO THROUGH THE FINAL CONSTRUCTION PLAN APPROVAL.
SO WITH THAT, I KNOW YOU HAVE A BIG AGENDA TONIGHT.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND I APPRECIATE A CHANCE TO RESPOND TO ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS.
IS THAT YOU GOING TO ELIMINATE ALL THE TOWNHOMES? YEAH, WE HAD SOME TOWNHOMES PUT ASIDE AT THE VERY SOUTHERN TIP OF THE PROJECT AND WE DID DECIDE TO CONVERT THOSE.
SO THE CLIENT DECIDED TO CONVERT THOSE A SINGLE FAMILY.
MR. WEISS, HOW MANY UNITS DO PHASES? ONE THROUGH THREE. ADD UP TO JUST YOUR CURIOSITY.
WE HAD A TOTAL OF 677 UNITS, SO MY MATH IS ABOUT 155.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS SHOOTING FOR ACTUALLY WAS THE TOTAL.
SO THE TOTAL FOR ALL FIVE PHASES IS 677.
THAT'S CORRECT. AND IT'S ALL SINGLE FAMILY.
THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. SO THE QUESTION IS.
THANK YOU, MR. WEISS. THANK YOU.
FOR THE RECORD, THERE ARE NO LETTERS IN THE FILE.
THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST? HE OPPOSED. CNN.
ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR EMOTION, PLEASE? THIS IS A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO A MOTION TO APPROVE 16 2022 SUBJECT TO STAFF COMMENTS AGAIN.
MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY EX CASE.
I'LL RETURN. OUR NEXT CASE BEFORE YOU IS PD 32, WHICH IS FOR A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU IS TO CHANGE THE ZONING DISTRICT TO PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT BY ENACTING A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO ALLOW FOR A PROPOSED 228 UNIT RESIDENTIAL TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT CALLED LIPSCOMB STREET PWD.
THIS CASE PD 32 2022 MEETS THE MINIMUM CRITERIA FOR A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN SUBJECT TO THE STAFF COMMENTS CONTAINED IN THIS REPORT, WHICH WILL BE ENACTED AT THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN STAGE.
STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND PLEASE LET US KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY.
AND WITH THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE, IF YOU HAVE ANY FOR THEM.
THANK YOU TO THE BOARD. HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? BEING DONE WITH THE APPLICANT.
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EVENING. CHAIRMAN JORDAN, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.I'M WITH THE LAW FIRM OF LACEY LYONS.
ROSENKER I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE DEVELOPER PULTEGROUP.
WE ARE REQUESTING A CHANGE OF ZONING FROM OUR RM TEN TO PW RD.
OBVIOUSLY WE START WITH THE PLAN.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AND TO GO THROUGH IT WITH YOU.
IT'S A VACANT PIECE OF PROPERTY.
IT'S BEEN VACANT FOR A LONG TIME.
IT WAS INTENDED TO BE PART OF THE PALM BAY COLONY, A MANUFACTURED HOME DEVELOPMENT.
BUT THESE TRACTS HAVE BEEN THERE A LONG TIME AND HAVE NOT BEEN DEVELOPED.
TO THE WEST IS THE CITY OF MELBOURNE.
TO THE EAST IS PALM BAY COLONY, WHICH WAS A 1977 PLATTED PROPERTY BETWEEN THE PROPERTY AND TO THE EAST OF PALM BAY COLONY ARE FOUR DRAINAGE TRACTS THAT WERE AGAIN SUPPOSED TO ALL BE COMBINED INTO PALM BAY COLONY AND FOR SOME REASON WAS NOT.
THERE'S BEEN NO MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY.
SO THE TOWNHOME HOA WILL TAKE OVER MAINTENANCE OF THAT.
IT HAS 13.64% LAKES 6.14 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE.
AND IT COMES IN AT 9.28 UNITS PER ACRE AT 228 TOWNHOMES.
THAT'S ACTUALLY LESS THAN THE TEN UNITS ACRE ALLOWED UNDER 1010.
THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT ROUND TEN ZONING.
AS YOU CAN TELL, IT'S A WELL THOUGHT OUT TOWNHOME PROJECT.
IT DOES PROVIDE FOR A PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY.
THE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY WAS PROVIDED IN THE PACKET.
ALSO, THE ELEVATIONS WERE PROVIDED FOR YOU.
BUT TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE PRODUCT THAT PULTE HOMES DOES, THEY DO MANY TOWNHOME PROJECTS.
THEY'RE VERY GOOD AT IT AND THEY THEY BREAK IT UP.
SO THEY'RE ATTRACTIVE LOOKING.
THIS PROVIDES A VARIETY OF HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE CITIZENS OF PALM BAY.
THERE WAS A CITIZENS PARTICIPATION MEETING HELD.
THE ENGINEER OF RECORD, CHRIS OZA, WAS THERE AND IT WAS WELL ATTENDED AND MOSTLY THEY JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON. THERE WEREN'T A LOT OF COMPLAINTS REGARDING THE PROJECT.
THEY ACTUALLY WANTED TO HAVE THE ROADS VACATED, BUT WE DON'T THINK THE CITY WOULD LIKE THAT.
THEY WANTED HUCKLEBERRY AND SILK TREE LANE TO BE VACATED.
BUT THAT IS NOT PART OF THIS PLAN AND I DO NOT BELIEVE THE CITY WOULD ABIDE BY THAT.
SCHOOL CONCURRENCY HAS BEEN REVIEWED.
THERE ARE NO SCHOOL CONCURRENCY ISSUES.
THERE ARE NO TRAFFIC CONCURRENCY ISSUES AT THIS TIME.
THE DEVELOPER REPRESENTATIVES HERE AND MR. OZA IS HERE. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF A TECHNICAL NATURE OR ANYTHING THAT I CAN'T ANSWER FOR YOU.
WITH THAT I REQUEST APPROVAL OF PD 30 22022.
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HERE. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? OH. THANK YOU.THE RECORD. THERE ARE NO LETTERS IN THE FILE.
THE FLORIDA IS NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST? WHEN WISHING TO SPEAK AGAINST THIS REQUEST.
I'M IN THE FRONT ROW. MY NAME IS SARAH MORELLI.
THIS DEVELOPMENT IS PERSONAL TO US ESTHETICALLY, FINANCIALLY, PHYSICALLY AND IN SO MANY MORE WAYS.
WE HAVE MULTIGENERATIONAL FAMILIES ON BOTH SIDES.
WE UNDERSTAND DEVELOPMENT IS INEVITABLE.
IN FLORIDA, CARPETBAGGING HAS BEEN NOT BEEN LIMITED TO OR CEASED IN THE 1800S.
JUST THE FACE AND METHODS OF IT HAVE CHANGED.
AND WHAT ABOUT UTILITIES? WHAT ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOODS OF LAKESIDE AND EAGLE LAKE TO THE WEST OF LIPSCOMB THAT HAVE BEEN TOLD THEY HAVE NO SAY BECAUSE THEY ARE IN MELBOURNE THE HEIGHT? IT IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS BOARD TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT, TO SUPPORT THE EXISTING GROWTH WITH THE DEVELOPMENT TO COME.
WE UNDERSTAND THE PRESENT DAY VALUE OF LAND.
HOWEVER, THAT DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF EXISTING TAXPAYING CITIZENS.
LOOK AT THE NORTHERN AREAS OF PALM BAY.
THERE'S A CANCER OF HIGH RISE STRUCTURES WE ARE TRYING TO IMPRESS.
NOW THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THE SOUTH IS LIMITED TO TWO STOREY, INCLUDING THE GARAGES, AND THAT'S NAVIGABLE WATERFRONT PROPERTY, NOT TUCKED AWAY ON A STREET WITH NO ROOM FOR EXPANSION.
THE TRAFFIC. THIS POSES SEVERAL QUESTIONS.
WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S TO BE A TRAFFIC STUDY DONE IN THE AREA.
MAY WE ASK WHEN THE WINTER RESIDENTS WON'T BE HERE UNTIL MID-NOVEMBER? SPEEDING ISN'T CONTROLLED AS IT IS.
HOW MANY WILL BE INJURED OR WORSE? MULTI DEVELOPMENTS HAVE CHANGED OUR TRAVELS FOR HEALTH CARE IN ORLANDO FROM A SIMPLE ONE HOUR TRIP TO TWO AND ONE HALF HOURS ONE WAY.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD BESIDES OTHER FACTORS, WHAT ABOUT THE INCREASE OF OUTSIDERS THIS WOULD BRING TO BE PASSING THROUGH, SOLICITING, PURSUING ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES OR JUST PLAIN COMMITTING CRIMES? THEN THERE'S THE FACT THAT WE HAVE MATURE STANDS OF SLASH LINES ON THREE SIDES THAT SUPPORT LIFE IN SO MANY WAYS FROM WHEN PROTECTION AND INSULATION TO NOISE AND WILDLIFE HABITAT.
IT'S NOT JUST RACCOONS, POSSUMS AND SOME SONGBIRDS.
THERE ARE TORTOISES, SQUIRRELS, RABBITS, HAWKS, EAGLES AND EVEN WILD TURKEYS.
YES, WE CAN GET USED TO LOSING THE HOMELESS CAMPS, PUBLIC SERVICES.
HAVE YOU EVER CALLED 911 AND HAD NO ONE RESPOND? WE HAVE CALLED 911 LAW ENFORCEMENT AND ANIMAL CONTROL AUGUST 27TH OF 2021.
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THAT DOES TO YOUR PERSONAL SECURITY, YOUR PEACE OF MIND, YOUR SLEEP? BELIEVE ME, IT GETS TO YOUR HEALTH.
DO YOU REALLY EXPECT THIS TO IMPROVE? THE LOCAL HOSPITAL HAS TOLD US ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS THEY CAN'T KEEP UP WITH THE GROWTH AS IT IS.
AND THAT WAS IN THE SUMMERTIME.
NOT TO MENTION THE SEASONAL INFLUX.
THEY'LL TELL YOU WHAT THE CORPORATION DOESN'T WANT TO ADMIT TO.
THE NOTIFICATION ON THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN SHADY, TO SAY THE LEAST.
AT THAT MEETING AT CHARTERHOUSE IN JUNE JULY, IT WAS A SHAM.
NO SOUND SYSTEM WAS IN PLACE, SO ONLY THE FRONT.
TWO ROWS OF THE AUDIENCE COULD HEAR THE WORD.
ALL THIS IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE.
YET THE VERY NEXT WEEK, SURVEYING WORK WAS DONE AND THEN UTILITY WORK WAS STARTED.
THIS PROJECT COVERS FOUR PARCELS OF LAND.
YET THERE'S ONLY ONE SIGN IN PLACE.
THIS PROPERTY IS CONTINGENT TO THREE ROADWAYS INTO PALM BAY COLONY.
SURE SEEMS THAT A MINIMUM OF THREE SIGNS FACING PALM BAY COLONY WOULD BE IN ORDER.
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NOW THESE CHANGE OF DATES CONTINUE THE CONFUSION AGAIN, RAISING THE STRESS LEVEL OF THE COMMUNITY INVOLVED.IN CLOSING, YES, THIS LAND WILL BE DEVELOPED, BUT TO DO SO WITH THE GARDENS THAT IT WILL BE AN ASSET TO THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE COMMUNITY IS WHAT'S NEEDED.
DON'T ORLANDO MY OR SHOULD I SAY OUR PALM BAY? AND WHILE I'M HERE, MY HUSBAND WROTE A FEW NOTES, BUT HE HAS A VOCAL ISSUE AND THEY SAID IT WOULD BE OKAY FOR ME TO READ HIS NOTES.
AND HE ALSO LIVES ON COCOA PLUM AND PALM BAY COLONY.
AND HIS SUGGESTION IS THE TWO END STREETS OF SILK TREE AND HUCKLEBERRY NEED TO BE MADE ONE WAY WEST OR EXITING PALM BAY COLONY ERS OFF NEEDS A STOP SIGN AT EACH CROSS STREET TO SLOW THE TRAFFIC DOWN.
I'VE SEEN THEM GO THROUGH THERE AT 50 OR 60 MILE PER HOUR.
YOU CAN YELL AT THEM AND ALL THEY DO IS SPEED UP.
THE EXIT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING OTHER THAN SIGNS.
PEOPLE DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO SIGNS FOR THE SPEED OR THE AGE LIMITATION.
THERE'S PEOPLE ALL OVER WITH KIDS WALKING, RIDING BIKES, EXERCISING THEIR DOGS, JOGGING, EVEN SKATING, OR USING A ONE WHEEL DEVICE. WE REALIZE TWO LOCATIONS OF EGRESS IS NEEDED.
LET THEM PROVIDE THAT FOR THEIR RESIDENTS.
IT'S A RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR PLAN.
ANY QUESTIONS ON EITHER ONE OF THESE STATEMENTS? THANK YOU. SAY WHAT? ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? CAN YOU SEE ME? HELLO? I DID.
MRS. LEE AND MR. LEE HAS SAID THANK YOU.
MY CONCERNS ARE ALSO THE TRAFFIC, BECAUSE PEOPLE RIGHT NOW ARE CUTTING THROUGH OUR DEVELOPMENT TO GET TO CONLON. AND EVEN THE POLICE DO THAT AND THEY'RE FLYING.
WE NEED SPEED BUMPS THERE AT THE LEAST TO HELP PROTECT PEOPLE.
AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WALKING THEIR DOGS ALMOST GET HIT BY THESE CARS.
ANOTHER THING I'M WORRIED ABOUT IS WHEN WE HAVE THESE POOR DOWN RAINS, IS IT GOING TO.
IS IT GOING TO FLOOD OUR AREA? HAS THERE BEEN A RESEARCH ON THAT? THANK YOU. A LOT OF SPEAKERS.
AS FAR AS WHITENESS. SO I DON'T KNOW.
PEOPLE ZOOM THROUGH THERE ALL THE TIME ANYWAY.
SO THERE'S THE TRAFFIC PATTERN.
APPROXIMATELY 500 CARS, PROBABLY DOUBLE THAT.
OR IT WOULD HAVE TO BE TAKEN CARE OF.
SIR. DID YOU FILL OUT A CARD? PARDON? FILL OUT A CARD AND PUT IT IN THE BOX.
YOU JUST FILL UP, FILL OUT OF SPEAKER'S CARD, PLEASE, AND BRING IT BACK.
BACK. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? NOW I'M WITH THE APPLICANT. LIKE TO RESPOND.
THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN JORDAN AGAIN, KIM ROSENKER ON BEHALF OF THE DEVELOPER PULTEGROUP.
REGARDING THE DENSITY, THIS IS AN AR TEN PROJECT ON AN AR TEN SITE.
I THINK THAT'S A GLITCH IN YOUR CODE.
MS.. BERNARD IS SHAKING HER HEAD, BUT WE ARE MEETING THE TEN UNITS S.A.
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IT IS A TWO STORY BUILDING.THERE ARE BUFFERS TO THE WEST FROM PALM COLONY WITH A 50 FOOT DRAINAGE CANAL.
THERE'S SOME FOLIAGE THAT'S THERE AS WELL.
AND THERE'S ALSO A FENCE THAT WILL BE BETWEEN THE CANAL AND THE SUBDIVISION.
AND THEN THERE WILL BE ANOTHER 15 FOOT SUBDIVISION BUFFER.
THAT'S WHY THERE ARE SO MANY LAKES.
THE ENGINEERS WILL MAKE SURE THAT'S DONE.
YOUR ENGINEERS WILL MAKE SURE THAT'S DONE.
SO IT SHOULD NOT AND WILL NOT IMPACT PALM BAY COLONY OR EAGLE LAKE.
AS TO ANY FLOODING REGARDING THE TRAFFIC THAT WILL BE WORKED THROUGH WITH YOUR ENGINEERS AS WELL.
BUT THIS IS WHAT THIS IS ZONED FOR.
IF THERE'S ANY DEFICIENCIES, OBVIOUSLY THE DEVELOPER WILL HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THAT.
THE ROADWAY SYSTEM IS WHERE IT'S AT.
THEY DON'T CONTROL THE ENDS AND THE OUTS, THE ONE WAYS.
SO WITH THAT, WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU APPROVE THIS.
THANK YOU. OR IS NOT CLOSED FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS IN THE CASE IS BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD.
ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR EMOTION, PLEASE? THIS IS THIS IS A WELL-DESIGNED PEW AS AS MS..
ROSENKER SAID, THIS CAN ALREADY BE DEVELOPED IN UNITS PER ACRE MULTIFAMILY HOUSING.
IT WOULDN'T EVEN NEED TO COME HERE FOR APPROVAL.
WE JUST NEED A SITE PLAN APPROVED BY BY THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR.
SO HAVING SAID THAT, MOTION TO APPROVE PD 32 2022.
GOOD EVENING. I'M TANYA RAMOS, SENIOR PLANNER WITH GROWTH MANAGEMENT AND INTRODUCING CP 29 2022.
THIS IS OWNED BY CYPRESS BAY FARMS LLC AND REPRESENTED BY JC WISE.
SOUTHEAST. IT'S APPROXIMATELY 6.49 ACRES AND THEY'RE REQUESTING A SMALL SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT FROM BREVARD COUNTY'S RES 1 TO 2 AND A QUARTER AND SINGLE AND PALM BAYS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USE TO COMMERCIAL STAFF FINDS THAT CP 29 2022 MEETS THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT REQUEST AND STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY COMMENTS AND THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE.
IT IS ABSURD TO HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
THERE'S JUST. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
SO IS PART OF THIS PROPERTY IN UNINCORPORATED BREVARD COUNTY? NO, IT'S IN THE CITY LIMITS, BUT I THINK IT'S NEVER BEEN ASSIGNED A CITY.
UNDERSTOOD. SO THE NET RESULT OF THIS, SHOULD IT GO THROUGH? WELL, IT'S ALREADY IN THE CITY, BUT THEN IT'LL HAVE A CITY LAND USE AND A CITY ZONING.
RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF NUMBER THE APPLICANT.
WE'RE PULLING A SLIDE THAT HOPEFULLY WILL MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE CLEAR WITH THE REQUEST.
YOU KNOW. UM, WE HAVE WITH US HERE TONIGHT ACTUALLY THREE AGENDA ITEMS FOR THIS COMMERCIAL REGION, WHICH IS CYPRESS BAY EAST AND WATERSTONE.
THOSE TWO COMBINED OR ABOUT 1200 ACRES, WE HAVE OUR DEVELOPMENT TEAM HERE, WE HAVE OUR PLANNER HERE.
AND SO WE'RE READY ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
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ABLE TO DEVELOP IT COMMERCIALLY.CITY COUNCIL, AS I KNOW THIS BOARD IS AWARE, HAS BEEN PUSHING STRONGLY FOR MORE COMMERCIAL.
SO WE SAW AN OPPORTUNITY THAT THAT WOULD WORK.
IT IS PART OF THE PUD THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AS THAT MASTER PLAN.
SO WE WANTED TO BRING THIS PARCEL IN WITH THE COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE.
SO IT'S A TOTAL OF 6.49 ACRES AND IT IS AGAIN A PART OF THE PAD.
SO WE'RE JUST REQUESTING THE COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE.
THE. HE'S TRYING TO BRING UP AN EXHIBIT THAT HELPS CLARIFY IT A LITTLE BIT FOR YOU.
THIS IS BERNARD IS THIS MAP THAT WE'RE BRINGING UP IN OUR PACKET.
THERE IT IS. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
SO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IN THE COLORBLIND, I APOLOGIZE.
THE PINK COLOR IS ALL EXISTING COMMERCIAL.
AND THEN THE YELLOW ARE THE TWO AREAS THAT TOTAL IS 6.49 ACRES.
SO WE HAVE THE SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY JUST NORTH OF US, BABCOCK STREET JUST TO THE WEST.
SO WITH THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
THANK YOU FOR FINDING IT. THE EXHIBIT AND OUR WHOLE TEAM IS HERE.
QUESTIONS. MR. OLSZEWSKI. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
SO, MR. WEISS, TO REITERATE FOR CLARIFICATION, EVERYTHING IN PINK IS COMMERCIAL TODAY.
THAT'S CORRECT. AND NET RESULT.
YOU'RE HOPEFUL. NET RESULT HERE IS THAT YELLOW WILL TURN TO PINK AND EVERYTHING WILL BE COMMERCIAL.
THAT'S CORRECT. CAN YOU WITH THE BROADEST BRUSH THAT YOU'RE YOU'RE ALLOWED TO TELL ME WHAT'S GOING HERE? LIKE WHAT'S THE LAY OUT? WHAT IS THIS SO RIGHT NOW? HERE WE GO. SO RIGHT NOW, THIS TRIANGULAR PIECE RIGHT HERE IS A PUBLIX AND THEY'VE GOT OUT PARCELS AROUND IT.
AND SO WHAT OUR TEAM IS TRYING TO DO IS TO TAKE ALL THIS EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL THAT'S EITHER UNDER CONSTRUCTION OR ALREADY HAS HOUSES, AND THEN WATERSTONE OVER BACK HERE.
AND THEN AGAIN WE HAVE ANOTHER PROJECT LATER TONIGHT THAT WILL BE BEFORE YOU.
PUT IN COMMERCIAL ON THE REST OF THESE AREAS.
WE'RE TALKING TO EVERYTHING FROM MEDICAL, RETAIL, CHARTER SCHOOLS, PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF EXCITEMENT.
SO THE INTERSECTION OF BAYSIDE LAKES AND KOGAN STANDS OUT TO ME.
YOU'VE BEEN THERE. YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH OUR CITY.
IS THAT AM I GETTING THE RIGHT FLAVOR BY STANDING AT THAT INTERSECTION AND LOOKING AROUND AND LOOKING AT THESE DIFFERENT STRIPS? AS FAR AS WHAT THIS INTERSECTION IS, THAT'S GOING TO BE THE THAT'S THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SHOOTING FOR.
WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO STEP UP WHAT'S GOING TO BE BIG.
IT'S GOING TO BE SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER.
BUT JUST IN THE DIVERSITY OF BUSINESSES, OF STRIPS THAT YOU SEE AROUND AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
YEAH, THAT'S YOUR TYPICAL 1990S TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.
AND OUR TEAM HAS A WEALTH OF EXPERIENCE DOING THESE TYPES OF MASTERPLAN COMMUNITIES.
AND AGAIN, THEY'LL SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER AS WELL.
LIKE THE IDEA OF, OF, OF BETTER RATE OF GROWTH ALWAYS IN THE GROWTH MINDSET.
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ABILITIES I'M SURE.BUT I WOULD JUST THAT TYPE OF FLAVOR WHERE IT GETS SO COMMERCIAL THAT IT ALMOST TURNS INTO IT'S NOT THE RIGHT TERM TO SAY INDUSTRIAL, BUT YOU KNOW WHERE IT'S NOT IT'S NOT THAT HIGH TRAFFIC VERY HEAVILY USED I SEE IS MORE APPROPRIATE HERE.
I MEAN. YEAH, WHY? ANYHOW, I DON'T WANT THAT HERE.
AND I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION YOU'RE HEADING.
THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. SO MANY STORES IS JUST A HUGE DEMAND FOR IT.
WE ARE DOING THEM ALL OVER BOVARD COUNTY AND ELSEWHERE.
WE DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE USES HERE.
WE DO KNOW THERE IS A BIG PENT UP DEMAND FOR THAT.
SO IF WE DID BRING IT, WE WOULD PREFER TO KEEP IT OFF THE MAIN CORRIDOR AND BRING IT FURTHER TO ONE OF THE EITHER DEEPER PARCELS, NOT DIRECTLY ON THE PARKWAY, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE JUST NOT PREPARED FOR YET.
I'LL BE HAPPY WHEN YOU DON'T BRING IT.
I WON'T BE THOROUGHLY DISAPPOINTED WHEN YOU DO.
YOU SET ME UP. THANK YOU, SIR.
THANKS. WELL, OF COURSE, WE'RE ALL HAPPY FOR YOU TO BRING COMMERCIAL, AS WE'VE BEEN BEGGING FOR.
BUT WHAT I DIDN'T HEAR IS ENTERTAINMENT.
100% OF PALM BAY RESIDENTS ACTUALLY LEAVE THE CITY FOR ENTERTAINMENT.
OUR YOUNG PEOPLE HAVE NOTHING TO DO.
AND SO I SIMPLY JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE IT CONSTANTLY IS THE SAME TYPE.
WE HAVE NOTHING. BRINGING PEOPLE IN TO OUR CITY SO OFTEN THINK, YOU KNOW, ARE WE NOT CREATIVE ENOUGH TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE BRING OTHER PEOPLE INTO OUR CITY INSTEAD OF HAVING 100% OF OUR PEOPLE LEAVING THE CITY? SO HOPEFULLY THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER WHEN LOOKING AT ENTERTAINMENT.
I'M SORRY, LOOKING AT COMMERCIAL ASPECT, WHERE ARE YOU MOVING THE OH, IT'S LITERALLY IF YOU SEE OUR LOGO DOWN THE BOTTOM RIGHT HAND CORNER, IT'S JUST ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT.
AT EMERALD LAKES, WE HAVE A SITE PLAN INTO THE CITY NOW.
AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT, EMERALD LAKES HAS THAT AND THEN SOME.
AND SO THAT REALLY IS WHAT WE SEE AS A FUTURE BIG ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT.
WE HEAR FROM THE RESIDENTS HERE AND ALL OVER PALM BAY.
THEY WANT HIGHER QUALITY RESTAURANTS, MORE THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THOSE TYPES OF PROJECTS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO HERE.
ALL RIGHT. NOT NOT HIGH END OFFICE PARK, BUT ALSO FOR SMALL BUSINESSES.
FOR SMALL BUSINESSES, BUT ALSO THE NEIGHBORS SPECIFICALLY ASKED ABOUT MEDICAL TYPE USES.
AND SO THAT IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT WE'RE DOING.
AGAIN, LATER TONIGHT, YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT A 55 PLUS COMMUNITY THAT WE'D LIKE TO PROPOSE.
AND THEN WE'RE WORKING WITH, FOR EXAMPLE, ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES.
SO ALL OF THAT HELP SUPPORT THE MEDICAL TYPE OF USES THAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING.
LAST QUESTION. HOW MANY ACRES THE PINK ARE WE LOOKING AT? IT'S ABOUT 140 ACRES TOTAL.
THE OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
BUT NOT NECESSARILY A QUESTION.
MADAM CHAIR, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
AND SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR. THAT ROLE REVERSAL.
FOR THE RECORD, THERE ARE NO LETTERS IN THE FILE.
THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST? MR. BATTEN. GILBERT IN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST. THE REASON WHY I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS ONE IS I'M SEEING SO MUCH COMMERCIAL LAND BEING CONVERTED TO RESIDENTIAL THAT IT MAKES ME FEEL GOOD ONCE IN A WHILE TO SEE RESIDENTIAL BEING CONVERTED TO COMMERCIAL.
IT'S A NICE, NICE THOUGHT PROCESS.
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THE NEGATIVE SIDE I SEE WITH THIS ONE, THOUGH, IS THE FACT OF THE STORMWATER FROM THE RETENTION POND THAT WAS ALL SET UP WHEN ST JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY WAS BROUGHT IN, THAT THAT RETENTION RETENTION POND AREA WAS SET UP WITH THAT CONCEPT.WELL, IN ORDER TO MOVE THE POND.
THAT ALSO IMPACTS ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN PUT IN, ALL THE PIPING AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT CONNECTS THESE STORMWATER RETENTION AREAS. BUT OVERALL, I'M GLAD TO SEE COMMERCIAL COMING IN.
THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST? SIR.
GOOD EVENING. MY NAME'S CHRIS GARRETT, AND I'M A RESIDENT AT 3989 FOGGY MIST ROAD.
I'M RIGHT. LIKE THE FIRST ROW OF HOUSES TO THE NORTH OF THAT.
WE'RE FOUR OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
WE LIKE HAVING A PUBLIC THERE.
WE'RE HAPPY THAT PUBLIX AND MAYBE SOME OTHER SMALL BUSINESSES WILL GO IN.
BUT THE BIG QUESTION I HAVE ON THE WHOLE THING, WHICH NOBODY'S MENTIONED.
BABCOCK. BABCOCK'S A TWO LANE ROAD.
IF YOU DRIVE ON IT TODAY, THE TRAFFIC IS GETTING REALLY HEAVY.
PLUS, YOU'RE PUTTING IN, LIKE I SAID, ALMOST 1000 MORE HOMES.
WHAT ARE WE DOING TO ADDRESS BABCOCK? IS THERE ANY. THEY'VE WIDENED THE AREA FOR ALL THE POLLS.
BUT NOBODY DRIVES ON THE GRASS.
SO IS THERE A PLAN TO WIDEN? BABCOCK TO GET THERE? OR IS ALL THE TRAFFIC JUST GOING TO BE ST JOHN'S? SO THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN.
OTHER THAN THAT, WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS.
THANK YOU. SIR, WOULD YOU FILL OUT A COMMENT CARD, PLEASE, AND RETURN IT TO THE PODIUM? SURE. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS? CNN. MR. WEISS. THOSE ARE BOTH GREAT QUESTIONS WITH RESPECT TO THE STORM WATER, WHICH YOU DON'T SEE ON THIS EXHIBIT, IS THIS IS A HUGE LAKE HERE.
THESE ARE ALL STORMWATER PONDS THAT ARE INTERCONNECTED THROUGHOUT HERE.
AND SOUTH OF HERE ARE TWO MORE HUGE LAKES.
WE WORKED CLOSELY WITH THE CITY FOR MANY YEARS NOW TO INCLUDE THAT.
AND WE HAVE ANOTHER PROJECT THAT'S IN FOR FINAL PERMITTING TO ADD A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT BABCOCK AND MERRILL OMA AS WELL, IN ADDITION TO THE CITY IMPROVEMENTS BEING DONE AT THE INTERSECTION. SO THAT IS ALL BEING ADDRESSED ON A KIND OF A PROJECT BY PROJECT BASIS.
AND THIS BOARD OF COURSE IS SEEING THOSE AS THEY COME THROUGH.
SO WE KNOW YOU'RE WELL AWARE OF THEM.
SO HOPEFULLY ANSWER THE QUESTIONS.
AND IF THE BOARD IS ANY OTHERS, PLEASE LET US KNOW.
THANK YOU. OR IS NOT CLOSED FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS IN THE CASE IS BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD.
ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR EMOTION, PLEASE? MOTION TO APPROVE CP 29 2022.
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SECOND. OCEAN IS SECOND ALL IN FAVOR.I MEAN HE OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY NEXT CASE.
THE APPLICATION OF THIS ORDINANCE WILL BE CITYWIDE.
IT IS TO AMEND CHAPTER 185 ZONING CODE SECTION ONE 85.138 TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH CURRENT FLORIDA STATUTES REGARDING MOBILE FOOD DISPENSING VEHICLES. AND THEN WE ALSO BROADENED THE TERMINOLOGY OF MOBILE FOOD VENDING TO INCORPORATE MORE TYPES OF VENDORS, TO ATTRACT MORE TYPES OF DIVERSE SERVICES THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY THAT CAN SERVE THE RESIDENTS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
STARECHESKI THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
MR. ANDERSON, AT LAST WEEK'S CITY COUNCIL MEETING, A FOOD TRUCK OWNER CAME UP DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION AND MENTIONED THAT SHE AND WHAT SHE ALLUDED TO WAS OTHER FOOD TRUCK OWNERS WERE BEING CITED WITHIN THE CITY OF PALM BAY FOR PARKING THEIR TRUCKS AND THEIR DRIVEWAY, THEIR TRAILERS IN THEIR DRIVEWAY.
YOU HAD TEXTURE TO THAT END OR TELL ME IF THAT TYPE OF PROHIBITION WILL BE ELIMINATED BY TAKING THIS ACTION, BECAUSE I READ IT THROUGH AND THROUGH AND I COULDN'T FIGURE THAT THAT WOULD LET ME REFERENCE THE CODE IN ONE MOMENT JUST TO VERIFY.
I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY.
IT DEFINITELY WOULD NOT BE IN THE TRADITIONAL DRIVEWAY AREA BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THIS VEHICLE.
SO AND OF COURSE, THE CITY IS NOT GOING TO GIVE BUSINESS OPERATIONAL ADVICE, BUT IF THE INTENT OF THIS EXERCISE IN FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGING OUR OUR MOBILE FOOD VENDING CODE IS TO BRING IN DIVERSE SERVICES, DIVERSE OPTIONS, SMALLER BUSINESSES, MORE DIVERSE BUSINESS OWNERS.
ONE WOULD SUFFICE TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, A GOOD OLD FASHIONED PALM BAY, YOU KNOW, FAMILY IS GOING TO SET OUT AND THEY HAVE SOME SOME SOME MONEY SAVED UP AND THEY'RE GOING TO GET THIS. AND THE FIRST PLACE THEY'RE GOING TO BRING IT AS HOME TO PROBABLY PUT THE LETTERING ON IT AND THEIR THEIRSELF AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WANTING TO ENCOURAGE IS THIS ENTREPRENEURIAL JOURNEY.
AND JUST LIKE I TOLD MR. WISE ON THE LAST PROJECT, I DON'T WANT TO SEE ANY MORE MINI STORAGE.
I DON'T WANT TO SEE ANY MORE RV STORAGE IS EITHER.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, SHAKING ONE HAND AND LOOKING AT THE OTHER WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO INCREASE ALL THIS ENTREPRENEURSHIP WITHIN OUR CITY. AND THEN WE'RE TELLING OUR RESIDENTS, BUT YOU CAN'T USE YOUR PROPERTY.
AND THIS IS IN SCATTERED LOTS. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE FOLKS THAT MOVE INTO HOMES.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S THEIR CHOICE.
AND THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT ON MY FRONT LAWN.
SO IF THEY'RE OPERATING, YOU KNOW, 5 TO 6 DAYS A WEEK, THE IDEA THAT WHEN THEY'RE DONE OPERATING AND THEY PARK AND, YOU KNOW, GO TO SLEEP, WHATEVER, AND THEN CONTINUE THEIR BUSINESS IN THE NEXT DAY, I DON'T SEE HOW I CAN OPERATE MY RECREATIONAL BOAT IN THAT FASHION, BUT THIS ENTREPRENEUR THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.
IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, I WILL HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK THIS.
I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU CAN PARK YOUR BOAT THERE.
IT HAS TO BE IN THE SIDE OR REAR YARD COVERED BY A FENCE AREA, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO REPLICATE, AGAIN, IS TO CREATE RECREATIONAL AND OTHER TYPES OF VEHICLES OF THAT NATURE, TO BE SCREENED FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY SO THAT THEY DON'T CREATE AN EYESORE OR A NUISANCE FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THE COMMUNITY, WHILE ALSO ALLOWING FOR THAT USE IN A MANNER THAT'S ON A PROPERTY BUT AT THE SAME TIME NOT DISRUPTING THE SIGHTLINE FROM ANYONE ELSE.
REGARDING ALSO PARKING STATUS, WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK INTO THE IDEA THAT WE ARE TRADITIONALLY GIVING CERTAIN PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR THESE DEVELOPMENTS, WHETHER IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, WHETHER IT'S A MULTIFAMILY HOME, SO FORTH.
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LOOKING AT REVISING SOME CODE TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEARER ABOUT WHAT CAN BE PARKED IN DIFFERENT AREAS BECAUSE IT HAS COME UP MANY, MANY TIMES BEFORE. AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I'M ACTUALLY WORKING WITH CODE COMPLIANCE ON.IN REGARDS TO THE PARKING ISSUE.
YEAH, WE DO WANT TO TEST THAT OUT A LITTLE WHILE BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO BECOME MORE OPEN TO THE MOBILE VENDING ASPECT AS WELL AS MAKING SURE WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH STATE STATUTE. SO THE MAIN DRIVER OF THIS IS A COMPLIANCE STANDARD, WHEREAS WE ARE JUST TRYING TO BROADEN THAT SCOPE AND BE PROGRESSIVE AT THE SAME TIME WITH OUR IDEAS TOWARDS THESE TYPES OF BUSINESSES.
WELL. AND IF I MAY, MADAM CHAIR, SAY THOSE ARE VERY JUST RESPONSES AND I APPRECIATE THEM.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S GREAT THAT YOU'RE THINKING IN THAT WAY, I GUESS, TO JUST LEAVE IT OFF.
AND THANK YOU, MS.. BERNARD, FOR YOUR ADDED TEXTURE, SO I APPRECIATE BOTH OF YOUR RESPONSES.
THERE CAN ALWAYS BE A CONDITION IF IT BEHOOVES YOU THAT YOU CAN PUT ON TOP OF THE ORDINANCE IF YOU WERE TO WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOMETHING THAT DOES AMEND ANY PORTION OF IT. SO I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT.
MR. ANDERSON. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YEAH, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.
THE THE THING REGARDING THE DIFFERENT TYPES NOW JUST KIND OF CLARIFY IT FOR ME.
SO IF I'M A VENDOR, I SELL MELONS AND FRUITS, YOU'RE SAYING I'LL BE INCLUDED.
BUT MOBILE FOOD VENDING OR MOBILE VENDING IS NOT NECESSARILY ADDRESSED IN THE STATE STATUTE.
WHAT IS EXPLICITLY REFERENCED INSIDE OF THE STATE STATUTE IS MOBILE FOOD DISPENSING VEHICLES, AND THOSE ARE SPECIFICALLY DEFINED BY STATUTE TO BE SELF PROPELLED, SELF ENCAPSULATED WITH ALL THE UTILITIES THAT THEY WILL NEED, EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S NEVER STANDING STILL AND TRULY DISRUPTING A SITE OR A SITES.
DYNAMIC MOBILE VENDING IS MORE OF AN OPPORTUNITY TO INCREASE UTILITY OF SITES BY BROADENING THE SCOPE OF WHAT TYPES OF ENTREPRENEURS CAN UTILIZE SITES AND MORE OF A MOBILE FASHION WHERE THEY MIGHT NOT STAY THERE ALL NIGHT LONG, BUT THEY MIGHT BE THERE FOR A LONGER DURATION THAN A MOBILE FOOD DISPENSING VEHICLE MIGHT OR END.
OR THEY MIGHT NEED CERTAIN SETUP MATERIALS, FOR INSTANCE, A PICNIC TABLE, A TENT, OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WOULD NO LONGER QUALIFY FOR THE MOBILE FOOD DISPENSING VEHICLE TAG DUE TO IT NEEDING TO BE COMPLETELY SELF CONTAINED.
ARE THEY LEGALLY ALLOWED TO DO THAT? SO THERE WAS ALREADY LANGUAGE IN THE CODE THAT ALLOWED FOR SOME LEVEL OF MOBILE FOOD VENDING.
SO, FOR INSTANCE, FOR A MOBILE VENDOR, JUST A TRADITIONAL MOBILE VENDOR, NOT THE MOBILE FOOD DISPENSING VEHICLE, BUT THE MOBILE VENDOR CAN HAVE LICENSES THAT ARE APPLIED BY OUR LOCAL STATUTE OR THE LOCAL CODES.
WHEREAS WITH THE MOBILE FOOD DISPENSING VEHICLE, THIS IS PREEMPTED TO STATE LEVEL.
SO STATE LEVEL CONTROLS THE ABILITY FOR THIS TYPE OF USE TO BE ABLE TO BE INSIDE OF A CITY.
WE JUST HAVE TO DECIDE WHERE WE WANT IT IN THE CITY, ESSENTIALLY, I GUESS WHERE MY CONFUSION IS, WHAT LANGUAGE IS ADDED TO BROADEN THE SCOPE HERE? I GUESS SO.
NOW, IT USED TO SAY MOBILE FOOD VENDING.
SO MOBILE VENDING NOW OPENS THAT UP A LOT MORE TO OPPORTUNITIES, SUCH AS IF CAR DETAILER WANTS TO COME BY AND HAS THOSE TYPES OF AVAILABILITY INSIDE OF THEIR VEHICLE TO ACTUALLY USE SUCTION PUMPS, OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT.
IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S A MOBILE DOG GROOMER, ALL THESE DIFFERENT TYPES OF UNIQUE BUSINESSES THAT ARE COMING UP, WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ACCOUNTING FOR ANYTHING THAT MIGHT COME DOWN THE ROAD AS WELL AS WHAT WE'RE REACTING TO CURRENTLY.
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OK. OK.SO SO SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT YOU MEANT BY THE CHANGING ECONOMY.
SO BROADENING THIS SCOPE ALLOWS FOR US TO GAIN MORE DIVERSIFIED ECONOMY WHILE ALSO STARTING TO TAX DIFFERENT TYPES OF BUSINESSES THAT PREVIOUSLY WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE DIFFICULT TO MAKE SURE WE WERE GOING THROUGH THESE TYPES OF REGULATIONS WITH.
SO IT SEEMS AS THOUGH WE CAN ALSO THEN AT THAT POINT HOLD PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE.
YES. AND NOW WE HAVE A BETTER WE HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT THE BUSINESS IS, WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
WE CAN REGULATE AND HOLD THEM RESPONSIBLE FOR.
CORRECT. WE'LL DEFINITELY BE ABLE TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THE TYPES OF MOBILE VENDING THAT IS OCCURRING ON DIFFERENT SITES, HOW LONG IS OCCURRING ON THOSE SITES AND THE IMPACTS IT MIGHT HAVE, AND HOW WE CAN NAVIGATE AROUND THOSE AND SUCCESSFULLY INTEGRATE THEM IN OUR COMMUNITY.
MR. ANDERSON IS NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST? HE OPPOSED. AND NOW I'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD.
WE HAVE A FURTHER COMMENTS OR A MOTION, PLEASE.
THE MOTION TO APPROVE PT 39 2022.
LIKE. SO WHO SECONDED? MR. WERNER'S SECOND MOTION AND THE SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR I AND HE OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
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WHITE. GOOD EVENING, CHAIR.MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. STEPHEN WHITE, PRINCIPAL PLANNER FOR GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
IT IS APPROXIMATELY 17.44 ACRES AND IS CURRENTLY.
EXCUSE ME. THERE'S A TYPO ON THE FIRST SCREEN.
YOU GO BACK TO. WHY IS IT, THOUGH? ALL RIGHT. WE'RE SORRY ABOUT THAT.
REQUESTS FROM THE BOARD FOR KASI 44 2022.
MR. WHITE. DOES ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THE.
AN ACTION ITEM MEETS THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS OF A REZONING REQUEST.
IS THAT TO SAY THAT THE STAFF WAS INCONCLUSIVE, WHETHER THEY THINK IT'S A POSITIVE IDEA OR NOT? OR IS THAT JUST OVER THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT FROM OUR ANALYSIS TO BRING IT FORWARD TO PRESENT TO YOU GUYS FOR.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THIS PROJECT SEEMS FAMILIAR TO ME.
IT SEEMS LIKE SOMETHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY.
AM I, AM I MISTAKEN OR IS THIS RIGHT NEXT TO SOMETHING ELSE? YOU HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE.
OKAY. I WILL RENDER THAT LAST ONE MOOT AND TRY TO LOOK AT THIS ONE WITH A CLEAR HEAD.
THANK YOU. I'M SURE THE APPLICANT WILL EXPLAIN.
GET INTO THE REASONS WHY. BUT YEAH, I WASN'T HERE FOR THE FIRST ONE.
I WAS JUST COMPARING IT AND THIS IS A NEW ONE.
HIS GARAGE. YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION.
JUST ITEM ONE, THE APPLICANT STATE.
THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THE ZONING IS DUE TO RISING CONSTRUCTION COSTS.
CORRECT. THAT WOULD BE FOR THEM.
I'M SURE THE APPLICANT OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVE WILL BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN THAT.
I JUST DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WAS SOMETHING YOU COULD JUST AS YOUR JUSTIFICATION TO SAY.
WE ANALYZE WHAT'S TURNED INTO US, AND THAT WAS THE JUSTIFICATION.
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YOU'RE MR. WHITE. THE APPLICANT OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVE.MADAM CHAIR, ONE AREA I FORGOT THAT WAS INDICATED ON THE ZONING MAP, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THE SOUTHERN PART, WHICH IS NEXT TO MALABAR ROAD, IS REMAINING COMMERCIAL.
THERE IS NO CHANGE. SO THEY'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE A COMMERCIAL ASPECT TO THIS PROPERTY.
EVENING. MADAM CHAIRWOMAN, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.
MY NAME IS KIM ROSENKER WITH THE LAW FIRM OF LACY LYONS ROSENKER IN ROCKLEDGE, FLORIDA.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE DEVELOPER, THE BROWNSTONE GROUP.
WITH ME IS JEREMY MEARS, THE DEVELOPMENT PARTNER.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE ON THE BOARD AT THE TIME, MR. CHESKY. I KNOW YOU WERE HERE.
I WAS I WAS ASKING RHETORICALLY.
THIS WAS WHAT HAD VERY MIXED USE, VERY MIXED FUTURE LAND USES AND MIXED ZONING.
SO IT WAS APPROVED IN MAY FOR SIMPLY A R TEN.
WE HAD A POWERPOINT AT THAT TIME AND CAME BEFORE YOU WITH EVERYTHING THAT WAS THERE.
YOU MAY RECALL THE PROPERTY OWNER IN THE MIDDLE THERE, MS..
GILBERT SHE WAS VERY UPSET ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL.
WE MET WITH HER ON SEVERAL TIMES AND I DO NOT BELIEVE SHE IS HERE.
SHE IS ACTUALLY SEEMS TO BE MORE ACCEPTING OF THIS, WHAT THIS HAS NOW BECOME.
IT WAS ARTESIA WHEN WE CAME BEFORE YOU IN APRIL.
IT IS ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT PROJECT.
IT'S A THREE STORY APARTMENT COMPLEX.
BUT THE RATE OF THESE APARTMENTS ARE A LITTLE BIT LESS OF WHAT THE OTHERS WERE.
AND THESE ARE THREE STOREY APARTMENTS.
THE PROPOSAL IS FOR 261 APARTMENTS, ONE AND TWO BEDROOM ONLY.
AND WE HAVE ASKED FOR A REZONING TO REM 15 TO ACHIEVE THAT.
THE CONDITIONAL USE ALLOWS YOU TO GO TO 40 FEET.
I KNOW THIS IS TWO SEPARATE MATTERS, BUT I NEED TO EXPLAIN THEM TOGETHER.
THERE WAS A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT CAME OUT PLANNING AND ZONING, AS YOU MAY RECALL.
THE THE REASON FOR THE CHANGE.
I KNOW REZONING IS NOT A CONSTRUCTION COST ISSUE.
THE REZONING IS TO ALLOW A TYPE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, LESS MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, ATTAINABLE HOUSING, AND TO ALLOW FOR MORE STYLE OF HOUSING IN THE CITY. BUT YES, THIS PROJECT CAN'T BE DONE AS WAS PROPOSED WITH THE ONE AND TWO STORY COTTAGE STYLE APARTMENT HOMES THAT WAS PRESENTED TO YOU BACK IN APRIL.
THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING ON JULY SIX, 2020, AND THERE WERE VERY FEW NEIGHBORS THAT CAME OUT.
AND IT'S SPECIFICALLY AT THAT NORTH NORTHWEST CORNER.
AND THIS IS ACTUALLY A DRONE PHOTOGRAPH.
SO THOSE TREES WOULD BE MAINTAINED BOTH ALONG THE NORTH AND ALONG THE EAST AREA.
THIS PROJECT IS AT 14.97 ACRES.
THEY HAVE A MUCH GREATER SETBACKS ALL AROUND THE NORTH AND THE EAST FROM THE EXISTING NEIGHBORS.
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ALONG THE NORTH FROM THE SETBACK, FROM THE ROAD TO THE BUILDINGS RUNS ANYWHERE FROM 119 FEET.AND THIS IS ON PAGE THREE TO A 111 FEET.
THERE WILL BE A NATURAL BUFFER THERE OF QUITE A BIT OF DISTANCE.
AND ALSO THERE WILL BE AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE SUBJECT TO A VARIANCE REQUEST TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
ON THE EAST SIDE, THERE IS A 34 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER.
PAGE FOUR AND FIVE ARE THE RENDERINGS OF THE PRODUCT.
THESE ARE PRODUCTS THAT THIS DEVELOPER HAS DONE IN OTHER LOCATIONS TO SHOW WHAT THEY WILL LOOK LIKE.
SO THIS IS NOT AN INCONSISTENT REQUEST.
THIS ALLOWS FOR DIVERSITY OF APARTMENT CHOICES.
THERE IS SCHOOL CAPACITY AVAILABLE AND THE TRAFFIC REVIEW DOES NOT HAVE ANY CHANGES.
OTHER THERE ARE NO CHANGES TO THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
THERE'S NO MORE ADDITIONAL DEFICIENCIES FROM THIS PROJECT.
SO THE REASON IS TO PROVIDE A DIFFERENT PRODUCT.
IT IS STILL CONSISTENT AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE ZONING AROUND IT.
IT HAS INCREASED THE BUFFERS AND THE NATURAL BUFFER AND THE FENCE AND THE BUILDINGS WILL BE FAR SET BACK FROM THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO THE NORTH.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING STAFF REPORTS FOR THE ZONING STATES THAT IT MEETS THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING REQUEST PROVIDES WALKABILITY BECAUSE IT DOES HAVE THE COMMERCIAL ON THE SOUTH PROPERTY ALONG MALABAR AND IT PROMOTES A BALANCED, MIXED MIXTURE OF USES AND IT ADVANCES THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THOSE ARE FINDINGS IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.
AGAIN, MR. MYERS IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU. HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. WHAT'S THE TOTAL UNIT COUNT HERE? 261. 61.
AND THESE ARE THESE ARE GOING TO BE MADE OUT OF WOOD CONSTRUCTION MATERIAL.
YES, SIR. THE STAIRWELLS, THEY'RE GOING TO BE MADE OUT OF WOOD.
ARE THEY GOING TO BE MADE OUT OF CONCRETE? I HAVE. THAT'S MR. MYERS QUESTION, PLEASE.
AND THAT'S PRETTY TYPICAL IN ALL OF THESE TYPE DEVELOPMENTS.
BUT THEY ARE AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, KIM TOUCHED ON THE FACT THAT CONSTRUCTION COSTS HAVE GONE UP, BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN YOUR CONSTRUCTION COST RISES, YOU HAVE TO OFFSET THAT WITH RENT AND YOU CAN ONLY RAISE RENTS SO HIGH IT BECOMES UNAFFORDABLE, ESPECIALLY IN AREAS LIKE PALM BAY, WHERE YOU HAVE REALLY LOW VACANCIES AND THERE'S REALLY NO APARTMENTS AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE.
YOU JUST CAN'T CONTINUE TO RAISE RENTS TO A TO A RENT LEVEL.
AND SO NO INVESTORS ARE GOING TO INVEST IN IT.
IT'S IT'S KIND OF OUT OF CONTROL.
IF THIS IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO DO THIS, THIS DEVELOPMENT WON'T HAPPEN.
AND WE'RE HAVING TO MAKE THESE CHANGES IN OTHER AREAS AS WELL.
AND THAT'S THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE REQUEST.
AND SO, I MEAN, WE WANT TO BUILD IT.
WE'RE REALLY WE WE MET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS TWICE.
WE HAD TWO COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
IN THE LAST MEETING, WE HAD SIX ATTENDEES.
WE'VE LISTENED TO THE NEIGHBORS.
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AND I THINK THAT ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES THAT HAPPENED LAST TIME IS PEOPLE ARE WORRIED ABOUT HAVING A VIEW OF THOSE TOWNHOMES THAT WE HAD BEFORE THE TWO STORIES.SO WHAT WE DID, WE PUSHED PUSHED EVERYTHING BACK OVER 100 AND 110 FEET OFF THE ROAD IN SOME AREAS.
SO WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING WE CAN.
WE'VE MET WITH EVERYBODY WE COULD.
WE'VE TRIED TO DO THE BEST WE CAN FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO WE'VE DONE THE BEST WE COULD.
SO I'M SURE I DO HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION, IF I MAY.
I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT FIRE SAFETY IN THE ENTIRETY OF MY CITY, BUT PARTICULARLY IN THIS AREA.
SO STATION ONE IS GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE THEIR WAY OVER TO YOU.
IT REALLY JUST FREAKS ME OUT, HONESTLY.
THAT'S IF STATION ONE CAN GET THERE.
THAT'S IF THE LADDER TRUCK CAN GET THERE BECAUSE STATION SEVEN HOPEFULLY IS UNDERWAY.
BUT AT THAT, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THERE'S GOING TO BE A LADDER ON IT.
HOPEFULLY THERE WILL. ACTUALLY, I KNOW THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE.
AND THE COVERAGE SO THE LAST PRODUCT WAS WAS REALLY OVERSOLD AS A LACK OF AN INTERFERENCE WITH THE AREA BECAUSE IT'D BE LOW KEY LITTLE TINY COTTAGES.
YOU KNOW, THESE EXECUTIVES, YOU KNOW, ALL THE RENDERINGS THEY HAVE THE BMW AND THE PORSCHES.
NOW THAT WE GET THE HONDAS AND THE MAZDAS IN THE PARKING LOT, WE HAVE TALL BUILDINGS MADE OUT OF WOOD THAT IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA, IN ORDER TO SUSPECT WALKABILITY OR ANYTHING, I CERTAINLY HOPE YOU DON'T RECOMMEND TO ANY OF YOUR CUSTOMERS THAT THEY WALK OUT ON MALABAR ROAD WHEN THIS PROJECT IS COMPLETE, UNLESS YOU PLANT THE SIDEWALK IT OUT TOWARDS BABCOCK.
AND I KNOW YOU DON'T IT'S REALLY, REALLY TOUGH TO TO SWALLOW THIS ONE.
SO I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU EXPLAINING HOW THE CONDITIONS HAVE SO DRASTICALLY CHANGED FROM MAY TO SEPTEMBER INDUSTRYWIDE AND CAUSING YOUR LAST PROJECT TO BE AT JEOPARDY.
BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT DIRECTLY ASSERTS ITSELF AS A REASON TO MAKE THIS PROJECT PALATABLE OR ACCEPTABLE, BECAUSE AGAIN, IN THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION, WE JUST DON'T HAVE STRUCTURES LIKE THIS.
OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S THE HOSPITAL, BUT THERE'S THERE'S PRECAUTIONS IN THE HOSPITAL.
AND IT'S I'D LIKE TO THINK IT'S BUILT A LITTLE STRONGER.
THE LAST PROJECT I'M TRYING TO JUST PALETTE IT STAND ALONE IS WHAT IT IS TODAY.
WELL, WELL, CAN I RESPOND TO THAT? YEAH, THE WELL, FIRE SAFETY CODES HAVE CHANGED QUITE A BIT, AND I WILL SAY THAT ALL THESE UNITS ARE COMPLETELY FA SPRINKLED.
ALL RIGHT, SO PATIOS, STAIRWELLS, YOU HAVE FIRE TYPE EX ROCK AND A LOT OF THOSE STAIRWELLS.
HAS TO MEET CODE. IT'S REVIEWED BY THE FIRE MARSHAL.
ANY OTHER WOOD FRAME CONSTRUCTION THAT YOU HAVE? IF IT'S A WOOD FRAME CONSTRUCTION, THEY'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE WOOD FRAME STAIRWELLS.
IF YOU EVER SEE A SEAM BLOCK GOING UP AND THEN THEY'RE FRAMING AROUND, THAT'S AN ELEVATOR.
SO I MEAN, WE'RE NOT DOING EVERYTHING BY CODE THAT IS ALLOWABLE.
AND SO AND I REALIZE WE'RE COMING BACK AGAIN.
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING I WANT TO DO.
I WANT TO BUILD A PRODUCT WE HAD BEFORE.
BUT IT'S JUST WHAT I THINK SO MUCH HAS CHANGED OVER THE PAST SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR.
AND SO THIS IS THE PRODUCT THAT THAT CAN BE BUILT AT THAT LOCATION.
WE CAN'T BUILD A PRODUCT THAT'S UNAFFORDABLE FOR THE RESIDENTS OF PALM BAY.
IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
AND SO BUT FROM A FIRE SAFETY STANDPOINT, I CAN ASSURE YOU IT'S GOING TO BE BUILT PER CODE, IT'S GOING TO BE REVIEWED BY STAFF, THE BUILDING PLANNER, BUILDING DEPARTMENT. AND IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO CHANGE, WE'LL CHANGE IT.
SO THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY ABOUT THAT.
BUT AS FAR AS THE DENSITY, THAT'S THAT'S THE DENSITY THAT GETS US TO A NUMBER THAT ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE THAT WE WILL ACTUALLY JUST EVEN CASH FLOW. AND THAT'S THAT'S THE REASON FOR THAT NUMBER.
SO. AND I DON'T WANT TO LOSE A LOT OF MONEY INVESTED IN IT.
I HATE TO LOSE THAT. SO IT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE.
SOME OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD AND I'LL JUST ASK JUST FOR FYI.
IS IT CHEAPER TO BUILD WITH WOOD VERSUS CONCRETE?
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IT IS LESS. I MEAN, USUALLY WHEN YOU GET PAST FORT PIERCE, THAT'S WHEN SAME BLOCK IS REQUIRED DUE TO WINDSTORM.AND I WAS JUST WONDERING BECAUSE I KNOW IT GONE UP.
YES, YES, MA'AM. IT'S A LITTLE LESS THAN ME.
IF THAT'S 120 MILE AN HOUR WIND, WE HAVE IMPACT RESISTANT WINDOWS, IMPACT RESISTANT DOORS, ALL THAT.
IT'S NOT JUST, HEY, LET'S BUILD IT AND THERE'S NO REVIEW.
NO, I UNDERSTAND. I WOULD JUST FI I JUST MENTALLY THAT I KNOW.
YES, MA'AM. HERE, I GUESS MY NEXT QUESTION WAS FOR STAFF.
NO, THIS IS A THREE FLOOR PROPERTY.
IS THIS CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER ARM? 15 AROUND.
THAT. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE MAPS, IT'S A VACANT AREA IN THE AR 15 AROUND THERE.
THE NEXT CASE THAT WILL BE BEFORE YOU.
THAT THE CODE IS 25 FOOT IN HEIGHT.
THEY'RE ASKING FOR 35 FEET IN THE NEXT CASE.
WELL, THE REASON SHE'S BEEN 40, THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT 39.
AND I AND I CAN FIND A REASON FOR THAT.
IF WE WENT TO 25 FOOT, THAT'S A TWO STORY BUILDING AND THEN WE HAVE TO SPREAD IT OUT EVEN MORE.
SO WE TRY TO PULL EVERYTHING INTO THE CENTER OF THE DEVELOPMENT SO WE CAN HAVE PARKING LOTS AND LANDSCAPE BUFFERS TO LIMIT ANY ADDITIONAL EXPOSURE THAT I'M SEEING THE ACTUAL BUILDINGS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT WAS THE REASON FOR THAT.
SO YOU'RE SAYING CURRENTLY WITH THESE TREES, BECAUSE I REMEMBER ALL THE NEIGHBORS CAME HERE.
SO WITH THESE TREES YOU'RE SEEING WITH YOUR SETBACK, THEY WOULD JUST PROBABLY SEE THE ROOFTOPS IF THEY CAN SEE THAT, BECAUSE IF YOU GO DRIVE DOWN BIDDLE STREET, THERE'S SOME PRETTY, PRETTY DENSE AND TALL TREES RIGHT THERE.
SO WE'RE LEAVING THAT LANDSCAPE BUFFER.
SO IF YOU'RE TAKING THE TREES, THEN THE PARKING LOT AND THEN YOU'RE AT THE BUILDINGS AT THAT POINT FROM A LOT OF SIDE, IF YOU'RE STANDING ON THE ROAD AND LOOKING AT THE TREES, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE VISIBLE FROM BACK THERE.
AND WE HAVE AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE.
YOU KNOW, I DID LIKE I LOVED THE LAST PROJECT.
I WAS EXCITED FOR IT TO DO THIS.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE REASONING WAS TYPICAL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? JUST REAL QUICK. YES, SIR.
THIS DEVELOPMENT, THE PREVIOUS DEVELOPMENT.
AND WE STILL COULDN'T MAKE THE NUMBERS WORK.
SO IT'S NOT A REDUCTION OF THE UNITS THAT MAKES A DEAL WORK.
IT'S INCREASING OF THE UNITS THAT MAKES IT WORK BECAUSE YOU NEED MORE CASH FLOW TO OFFSET YOUR COST.
I JUST DON'T WANT TO SEE YOU LOSE ALL YOUR MONEY.
I'M SORRY. WHAT'S THAT? I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO SEE YOU LOSE ALL YOUR MONEY, SO I WAS TRYING TO SEE.
OH, THANK YOU. IF WE CAN GO BACK TO THAT OTHER PROJECT.
THANK YOU, SIR. OKAY. JUST TO JUMP IN REAL QUICK, WE DID GET VERIFICATION.
THERE WILL BE A LADDER TRUCK AT FIRE STATION SEVEN AND THERE WILL BE ONE AT FIRE STATION ONE.
SO WE'LL GET TO THAT IN A MOMENT.
I'M SURE. THANK YOU, MR. ANDERSON. I'D JUST LIKE TO ASK MR. ANDERSON FOR VERIFICATION OF THAT AS FAR AS SAUCE, BECAUSE I PULLED OUT MY DOCUMENTATION.
THAT'S NOT GOING TO HELP ME WITH THIS PROJECT.
I WILL GET ONE MORE VERIFICATION ON THAT AND REPEAT BACK TO YOU.
IT'S JUST VERY GERMANE TO THE TOPIC.
THAT WOULD FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE, YOU KNOW, NOT.
THANK YOU. OR IS NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST? BE OPPOSED. YOUR FIRST, SIR.
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SO I GOT A CARD AFTERWARDS.ALL RIGHT. MY NAME IS NICK MEYER.
SO I'M DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THIS PROJECT.
JUST SO IT'S CLEAR THAT HE IS NOT HAPPIER BECAUSE OF THIS CHANGE OF PLANS.
AND I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO LOOK BACK AT THE OLD PLANS BECAUSE IF YOU REMEMBER.
TO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WAS ALL ALONG BIDDLE STREET BEFORE THIS GOT CHANGED TO ALM TEN.
BUT THIS IS STILL A NEIGHBORHOOD AND OBVIOUSLY I WASN'T IN FAVOR OF THE LAST PROJECT LIVING RIGHT NEXT TO IT, AND I'D RATHER HAVE SEEN HOUSES COME UP AND MAYBE AN ACTUAL NEIGHBOR INSTEAD OF A EIGHT FOOT FENCE, AN APARTMENT COMPLEX NEXT TO ME.
IT ACTUALLY MAYBE FIT INTO THE COMMUNITY A LITTLE BIT.
SO NOW I'M MORE WORRIED ABOUT WHO IS LIVING NEXT TO ME AS WELL.
THIS ISN'T GETTING NICER, IT'S ONLY GETTING CHEAPER.
AND THAT'S MY BABY THAT I DON'T REALLY WANT TO BE GROWING UP AROUND A CHEAPER, LOWER INCOME AREA, WHICH ALREADY I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE IN THAT AREA HAS ON THE BOARD HAS BEEN IN THAT AREA LIKE THE RACETRACK ON THE CORNER KIND OF BEHIND THIS IS ALREADY FULL OF HOMELESS PEOPLE AND THERE'S HOMELESS CROWDS EVERYWHERE.
IT'S NOT VERY CLEAN, NOT VERY NICE TO BEGIN WITH.
I DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT CHEAPER OF ANYTHING.
IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE GOING CHEAPER AND I'M NOT SURE WHY.
IT'S MY POINT IS, I DON'T THINK THIS BELONGS HERE.
IF THERE'S A WAY TO MAKE THE OLD ONE WORK, I MEAN, THAT ONE'S ALREADY APPROVED.
I JUST I CAN'T SEE THIS GETTING BETTER WITH THIS DIRECTION.
I ALSO DID WANT TO NOTE I KNOW THE VARIANCE ISN'T PROPOSED TODAY, BUT IF THIS DOES GO FORWARD AND EVEN IF THE OLD ONE GOES FORWARD, THE EIGHT FOOT FENCE AROUND BIDDLE STREET AND MY PROPERTY AND MY NEIGHBORS PROPERTY ALONG ALL THE PROPERTIES WOULD MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF TREES THAT ARE GOING TO BE CLEARED OUT THERE IS A LIFE CARE CENTER BEHIND US, WHICH IS A PRETTY BIG AREA.
JUST TO MAKE A NOTE OF THAT GOING FORWARD.
UM. AND THAT'S WHAT I'LL HAVE TO SAY, THOUGH.
THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, ROBERT STACE, 1796 WEINBERG DRIVE SOUTHEAST.
AND LIKE A NEIGHBOR OF MINE SAID, IT SEEMS THAT WE TREAT DEVELOPERS AS AN ENDANGERED SPECIES AND WE DO WITH 55% OF PALM BAY STILL NEEDING TO BE DEVELOPED.
I STOOD UP HERE WHERE I SAT DOWN, AND WHEN WE WERE TALKING, I HEARD THE CHIEF OF POLICE TALKING ABOUT A SEVEN AND A HALF, 7 MINUTES, 7.8 MINUTES RESPONSE TIME. I HEAR THE FIRE CHIEF BEGGING FOR ADDITIONAL RESOURCES.
WE ARE OVEREXTENDED AS A COMMUNITY.
I MEAN, I GREW UP IN THE STREETS.
I NEVER FELT IN DANGER LIKE THIS BEFORE, ESPECIALLY WHEN I HAD A RESPONSE TIME.
NOW, DOES ANYBODY WANT TO PUT ONE OF THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS AND A WOODEN STRUCTURE ON THE THIRD FLOOR? YOU KNOW, WE ALL ARE PRODUCT OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THIS COUNTRY RIGHT NOW.
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT PEOPLE ARE DOING.
I'VE HAD COPS COMING UP IN SUMMERFIELD WITH DRUGS AND ALCOHOL ABUSE AND AND EVERYTHING ELSE THERE.
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SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS I ALSO TOLD THE CITY IN THE LAST MEETING.WONDERFUL. THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT.
MY QUESTION TO THE CITY COUNCIL WAS, WAS.
CAN YOU DEFINE FOR ME WHAT IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING? AND I'M ASKING THE BUILDER OR ANYBODY ELSE TO COME UP HERE AND I'M ASKING YOU, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? I SEE HOUSES GOING. I MEAN, APARTMENTS GOING UP ALL OVER THE PLACE.
YOU KNOW ANYBODY OUT OF COLLEGE OR, YOU KNOW, OR MAKING 50 K A YEAR THAT CAN AFFORD THAT? I DO MEALS ON WHEELS.
MOST OF THE STUFF IS NOT WHAT I'M SAYING, AFFORDABLE.
NOW YOU WANT TO GO FROM WHAT WAS IT FROM TO 39 FEET IN ELEVATION? I MEAN, REALLY, WOULD YOU WOULD YOU FEEL SAFE IN THERE? WOULD YOU PUT YOUR MOM OR YOUR DAD OR A SENIOR CITIZEN ON A THIRD FLOOR AND A WOODEN STRUCTURE? OKAY. IT'S GOT SPRINKLER SYSTEMS. MATTER THAT THING IGNITES HAS GOT LIKE A MATCH.
WHAT DO YOU THINK HAPPENS WHEN A WOODEN STRUCTURE? I'VE SEEN A LOT IN MY LIFE, GUYS.
YOU GOT TO TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY.
I WOULDN'T PUT ANY MY FAMILY IN THERE, ESPECIALLY AN ELDER PERSON.
I'M NOT SURE I WANT TO DISAGREE WITH WITH VOTING NO ON THIS, BUT IT'S A LEGITIMATE FIRE CONCERN.
AND FIRE KILLS PEOPLE AND A WOODEN STRUCTURE GOES UP LIKE A TINDERBOX.
GILBERT IN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST.
THIS IS ANOTHER PERFECT EXAMPLE OF HOW REZONING CHANGES HAVE AN IMPACT.
WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE ZONING IN ORDER TO GET THE INITIAL PLAN.
THIS PROPERTY STARTED OUT AS SINGLE FAMILY.
WELL, NOW, EVEN BEFORE THAT EVEN CAME TO ANY KIND OF ACCOMPLISHMENTS, IT'S NOW BEING CHANGED.
WE WOULDN'T BE FACING THESE PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE FACING NOW.
WELL, NOW YOU'RE SAYING A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WE MADE THAT CHANGE WHAT THE RESIDENTS WANTED.
BUT NOW WE'RE SEEING WHAT THE WAY UP HERE, WHAT THE RESIDENTS DIDN'T WANT.
AND THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE AT AT THIS POINT.
THAT BEING SAID, I UNDERSTAND THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE THE BUCK, BUT IF THEY CAN'T MAKE THE BUCK WITH THEIR INITIAL PLAN PROPOSAL THAT GOT CHANGED FOR IT, THEN THEY FAILED. THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION, AND THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO HAVE THAT MORATORIUM ON WHY WE'RE CHANGING WHAT WE'RE DOING, THIS CONSTANT REZONING.
REMEMBER, ONCE YOU CHANGE IT, THEN THEY CAN KEEP ADDING ALL ALONG UNTIL THEY GET WHAT THEY WANT.
WELL, WHILE HE'S WALKING UP, I JUST VERIFIED FROM THIS CITY MANAGER THAT THE LADDER TRUCK THAT'S CURRENTLY EXISTING WILL BE MOVED TO A FIRE STATION SEVEN.
MADAM CHAIR, LET THE RECORD REFLECT.
THAT'S FURTHER AWAY FROM THIS PROPERTY.
BUT I REPRESENT LIFE CARE CENTERS OF PALM BAY AND LIFE CARE CENTERS OF AMERICA.
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STREET BACK TO LIFE CARE CENTER.AND SINCE 2002, SINCE THE PROJECT WAS DEVELOPED, WE'VE MAINTAINED THAT ROAD.
IS THERE GOING TO BE ANY EASEMENT OR NEED TOWARDS OUR PROPERTY OR JUST IS THAT BRICKELL IN THE BACK? IS THAT WHAT IT'S CALLED? BRICKELL? THAT WAS REALLY KIND OF MY OVERALL QUESTION.
I JUST WANT TO HEAR FROM THE DEVELOPER.
EXCUSE ME. MY NAME IS PAT BELPRE, AND I LIVE AT 410 GEORGES.
THE. THING THAT WE CAME AGAINST BACK IN AUGUST, IT'S THIS IS STILL CONSIDERED CARDINAL WOODS.
AND THERE WAS A CONSTRUCTION COMPANY THAT WANTED TO BUILD 126 TO 170 UNITS OFF OF LADNER.
SO I'M GOING TO COVER TRAFFIC AND WATER.
THEY FLUSHED IT WITH CHLORINE.
THE THERE ARE SOME WELLS THAT ARE BEING INFILTRATED BY SALTWATER.
SO UNTIL WE FIX THE WATER PROBLEM, WE SHOULD NOT BE ADDING ALL THESE UNITS, NO MATTER WHETHER IT'S CARDINAL WOODS ACROSS THE STREET OR OFF OF PALM BAY ROAD. THE WATER IS A BIG PROBLEM, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE GOING TO PUT 200 AND OVER 200 UNITS IN THERE.
THE WATER PRESSURE IS LOW AND IT'S BEEN LOW FOR QUITE A WHILE.
SO WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT THAT? THE TRAFFIC, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE OVER 200 CARS GOING IN AND OUT BY THE PORT MALABAR ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
WE HAD THE PROBLEM OFF OF FALLON.
SO MY CONCERN IS WHY DO WE KEEP TRYING TO BUILD MORE UNITS IN NORTHEAST PALM BAY WHEN WE HAVE HOW MUCH LAND THAT HASN'T BEEN USED YET? THE NORTHEAST PORTION OF PALM BAY IS STRUGGLING WITH TRAFFIC, INFRASTRUCTURE AND WATER, AND WE NEED TO DEAL WITH THOSE BEFORE WE START ADDING MORE HOMES.
SO WE HAD THE SAME PROBLEM OFF OF FALLON.
YOU NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE POWERPOINT THAT WE DID AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING IN AUGUST.
TO SPEAK. THE APPLICANT LIKE TO RESPOND.
THANK YOU, CHAIRWOMAN JORDAN AGAIN, KIM ROSENKER ON BEHALF OF THE DEVELOPER BROWNSTONE.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THERE WAS ONLY ONE NEIGHBOR IN OPPOSITION AND THAT THIS WILL BE SET BACK FURTHER FROM HIS PROPERTY AND IT WILL BE BUFFERED MORE THAN THE OTHER PROJECT.
AND THE LIFE CENTER GENTLEMAN.
THAT ACCESS WAY IS CURRENTLY A JOINT ACCESS AND IT WILL BE FOUR LINED.
REGARDING MR. BOLTON'S CONCERN WHEN THIS CAME BEFORE YOU, THIS HAD FOUR DIFFERENT ZONING CATEGORIES.
THERE WAS RAM 15 OF OMA'S SEVEN ACRES, OFFICE PROFESSIONAL OF SIX AND ONE HALF ACRES, WHEREAS TWO OF FIVE ACRES AND A SMALL H.S., IT WENT TO ONE ACRE OF H.S.
AND REM TEN OF 17.44, DESPITE THE FACT IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF A SEA OF AR 15.
THEY COULD HAVE GONE TO AR 15, BUT THE PROJECT AT THE TIME DIDN'T NEED IT.
I KNOW YOU DON'T NECESSARILY CARE, BUT IF YOU WANT HOUSING THAT CAN BE ATTAINABLE.
IT'S NOT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IT'S NOT WORKFORCE HOUSING, IT'S NOT CHEAP.
SO THE ZONING WAS NOT ALL RESIDENTIAL.
IT WAS A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL, PROFESSIONAL AND AR 15.
IT IS CONSISTENT AND COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT IS THERE NOW AND IT ALLOWS FOR THE PROJECT TO BE BUILT THAT MEETS YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN GOAL OF A VARIETY OF HOUSING AND THE WALKABILITY WAS FROM THE HOUSING TO THE COMMERCIAL ON THE FRONT, NOT DOWN BY BABCOCK.
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IF THEY'RE THREE FLOORS, THEY'RE ALMOST ALL WOOD CONSTRUCTION.THAT IS WHAT IS BEING BUILT AND IT DOES MEET CODE AND IT IS SAFE.
I'VE HEARD SOME OF THE PRESENTATIONS HERE.
BUT THAT'S NOT A ZONING REQUIREMENT.
BUT THERE'S NOTHING IN YOUR CODE THAT SAYS DON'T BUILD WOOD APARTMENTS BECAUSE OF A FIRE PROBLEM.
SO I'D ASK YOU NOT CONSIDER THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE.
MR.. ON THE SECOND SPEAKER, MR. ROBERT I DIDN'T HEAR HIS LAST NAME SAYS THAT 55% OF PALM BAY NEEDS TO BE DEVELOPED.
THIS IS 17.44 ACRES THAT NEEDS TO BE DEVELOPED.
IT'S VACANT, IT HAS HOMELESS, IT HAS TRANSIENTS.
AS THE FIRST SPEAKER SAID, HE DOESN'T NECESSARILY FEEL LIKE IT'S A NICE AREA AND IT'S NOT SAFE.
IT'S PARTLY BECAUSE OF THE VAGRANTS AND HOMELESS AND TRANSIENTS ON THIS PROPERTY.
REGARDING WHETHER THIS IS CONSISTENT AND COMPATIBLE.
IT IS BY THE VERY NATURE OF THE ZONING AROUND IT, THE REM 15, WHICH CAN HAVE 25 FOOT HEIGHT.
JUST BECAUSE IT'S NOT AROUND THERE DOESN'T MEAN IT'S NOT COMPATIBLE.
THAT'S WHAT THE ZONING CATEGORY IS.
THAT'S WHAT SOMEONE LONG BEFORE THIS REZONING CAME UP IN APRIL AND MAY SAID REM 15 WAS APPROPRIATE.
SO THIS IS APPROPRIATE FOR THIS AREA.
REGARDING THE CONDITIONAL USE.
WE'RE NOT HERE AT THAT 39 FEET YET, BUT A CONDITIONAL USE IS TO ALLOW THINGS TO COME FOR YOU AND TO PUT STANDARDS ON IT, TO ALLOW IT TO BE COMPATIBLE, SUCH AS BUFFERING, SUCH AS LANDSCAPING, SUCH AS HIGHER FENCES.
AND YOUR CODE ALLOWS CONDITIONAL USES IF THOSE STANDARDS ARE MET, AND IF YOU PUT CONDITIONS UPON THEM TO MAKE IT MORE CONSISTENT AND TO MAKE IT TO MAKE IT LESS VISIBLE TO THE NEIGHBORS.
SO WITH THAT, FROM WHERE WE STARTED IN APRIL, WITH A ROOM FULL OF ANGRY PEOPLE TO WHERE WE ARE NOW FOR A PROJECT THAT NEEDS TO BE BUILT BECAUSE HOUSING IS NECESSARY IN PALM BAY AS IT IS THROUGHOUT THE STATE, AND IT DOES MEET YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN GOAL OF HAVING HOUSING.
AND IT'S NOT CHEAP HOUSING, IT'S NOT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
WE'RE NOT SEEKING ANY GRANTS FROM ANYBODY.
AND WITH THAT, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU APPROVE THE REZONING REQUEST.
THANK YOU. FOUR IS NOW CLOSED FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS IN THE CASE IS BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD.
ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR EMOTION? BLOOMBERG. A COUPLE OF THINGS.
NUMBER ONE IS, IS IF THIS WERE THE REQUEST THAT ORIGINALLY CAME TO US BACK IN IN MAY WERE AR 15 ZONING, I WOULDN'T HAVE HAD A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
HOWEVER AGAIN I WOULD YOU KNOW I WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH CHANGING THE ZONING TO ALM 15.
HOWEVER, THE THE THE CONDITIONAL USE INCREASING THE THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT FROM 25 FEET TO 39 FEET, WHICH ALLOWS THE THIRD STORY. I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
BUT BUT HAVING THREE STOREY BUILDINGS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT CONSIDERING THAT WITH THIS ITEM, BUT I'M PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT THE DEVELOPER WOULD TELL US THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE CHANGE THE ZONING ARM 15 BUT DIDN'T ALLOW THE CONDITIONAL USE INCREASING THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT, IT WOULDN'T BE A VIABLE PROJECT. SO FOR THAT REASON, I MAKE A MOTION TO DENY CASE Z 44 2022.
EMOTION IN A SECOND FOR MISS MIRAGE.
THE QUESTION. MADAM CHAIR, I DO HAVE ONE POINT OF DISCUSSION, AND I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT, IF IT'S FOR THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD, NO ONE ELSE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE WOODS STRUCTURES, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE APARTMENT BUILDINGS IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.
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THE REASON, MONSIEUR, IS NOT HERE TO SAY IT, BUT THAT ADMINISTRATIVELY THEY WOULD WANT TO MOVE THE LADDER FROM 1 TO 7 IS BECAUSE APARTMENTS ARE UP AND DOWN AND GOING IN.UP AND DOWN ARE JAKON AND BOULEVARD.
THERE'S GOING TO BE BUILDINGS OF HEIGHT.
IT'S THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION AND THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION IS EXTREME SERVICE DEFICIT.
THAT MAKES ME FEEL AS THOUGH THIS PROJECT IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH THIS PLOT OF LAND.
AND SO THAT'S JUST WHERE WHERE MY BASIS AND MY VOTE OF SUPPORT FOR MR. WEINBERG'S MOTION WILL COME FROM.
TODAY IS JUST THIS PROJECT IN THIS PLACE.
BUT WHEN THEY'RE IN THE RIGHT AREAS OF THE CITY TO GET THE RIGHT LEVEL OF SERVICE AT THAT, HEAVEN FORBID, TIME, SUCH AS WE HAD AN APARTMENT COMPLEX NEAR STATION ONE, GO UP THE LADDER, TRUCK WAS THERE RIGHT AWAY.
THE END GOAL CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED.
SO I JUST DON'T WANT ANY, ANY OF, OF, OF MY MESSAGE OR ANY OF THE OTHER BOARDS MESSAGE ON APARTMENTS AND WOULD STRUCTURES TO BE TAKEN AS WE REJECT THE IDEA AND WE ONLY WANT TO BE A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD. OF COURSE, THAT IS NOT WHAT WE HAVE GOING ON AND OF COURSE THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DIALOG FURTHER ABOUT IN OUR MORATORIUM CONVERSATION LATER.
BUT THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR, I GATHER.
I WOULD SAY TO THE DEVELOPER, I APPLAUD YOU FOR GOING BENDING OVER BACKWARD WITH THE COMMUNITY.
I RARELY SEE MANY DEVELOPERS DO THAT, SO I DO APPLAUD YOU.
BUT FOR MANY REASONS, INCLUDING, OF COURSE, WHAT THE PRODUCT IS RIGHT NOW, I COULDN'T SUPPORT IT, ALTHOUGH EVERYBODY KNOWS, AS MR. CHESKY SAYS, THAT WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF BUILDING HOUSES THAT ARE ATTAINABLE.
AND SO IT IS NOT AGAINST A PROJECT, IT'S WHERE IT IS.
I IMPLORE YOU TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.
I KNOW YOU CAN DO IT TO SEE SOMETHING THAT WOULD FIT WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK IN THE M TEN.
BUT FOR ALL OF THAT, I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS ONE AT THIS TIME.
FURTHER COMMENTS. WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND TO DENIAL.
STEPHEN WHITE, PRINCIPAL PLANNER GROWTH MANAGEMENT CASE BEFORE YOU IS.
MR. WHITE, LET ME INTERRUPT YOU FOR A SECOND.
THAT CASE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE HEARD.
SINCE WE DENIED THE REZONING, THERE IS NO CONDITIONAL USE.
IF. DEFER TO THE CITY ATTORNEY ON THAT.
YOUR BOARD RECOMMENDATION IS ONLY A RECOMMENDATION, NOT A FINAL ACTION.
SO IT STILL WILL PROGRESS THE COUNCIL.
AGAIN, IF WE JUST DENY THE ZONING, THOUGH, THE CONDITIONAL USE TO US IS IS MOOT.
IT'S AUTOMATICALLY DENIED, IN ESSENCE.
SO YEAH, IT'S A MOOT POINT, BUT YOU CAN'T PUT IT OUT TO I HAVE HAD THAT CONVERSATION WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY IN CASES LIKE THIS, AND SHE AGREES THAT IT'S REALLY IS AUTOMATICALLY DENIED, IN ESSENCE.
BUT WE CAN HEAR IT, BUT IT'S AUTOMATICALLY DENIED.
WOULD YOU JUST WANT TO READ IT AND DO A MOTION SAME WAY, JUST FOR NO PRESENTATION OR ANYTHING? RIGHT. THE PROPERTY IS GENERALLY.
WHAT EMOTION? THE CASE IS BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR EMOTION.
SO I COULD. MOTION A SECOND FOR DENIAL.
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STEPHEN WHITE, PRINCIPAL PLANNER GROWTH MANAGEMENT CASE BEFORE YOU IS FD 46 2022.IS LOCATED NORTH OF MALABAR ROAD, SOUTHWEST AND WEST OF THE ST JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY IS APPROXIMATELY 19.12 ACRES, AND THE FUTURE LAND USE IS THE PARKWAY FLEX USE AND THE ZONING IS CURRENTLY THE PARKWAY MIXED USE.
AGAIN, THIS IS A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
5046 DASH 2022 DOES MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITHIN THE PARKWAY MIXED USE DISTRICT, AND IT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO STAFF COMMENTS CONTAINED IN THE REPORT.
REPORTER HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NONE WITH THE APPLICANT FORWARD.
GOOD EVENING. ANNA SAUNDERS WITH THE CONSULTANTS.
THERE'S A FEW NEW FACES TRACKED.
A IS PART OF A LARGER WHOLE OF A PROJECT ST JOHNS PRESERVE THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT YOU IF YOU DRIVE DOWN ST JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY AT MALABAR ROAD JUST ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE ROADWAY, THERE'S SEVERAL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ALREADY CONSTRUCTED AND CURRENTLY UNDERWAY.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE HAD HAVE COMPLETED CONSTRUCTION ON PHASES ONE AND TWO THREE.
WE ARE EAGERLY ANTICIPATING MASHABA TO GIVE US OUR CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION FOR THAT FIRST THAT THE THIRD AND THE THIRD PHASE AND WE'VE GOT A FOURTH PHASE CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION TRACT A IS THE SOUTHERN COMPONENT OF THAT THAT WAS ALWAYS ANTICIPATED TO BE PART OF THE IT HAD A MULTIFAMILY DESIGNATION TO IT.
AND THEN ALSO PART OF THE OVERALL LARGE PART OF THE PROJECT IS THE 15 ACRE COMMERCIAL CORNER THAT'S CURRENTLY UNDER REVIEW WITH CITY STAFF BACK IN 2019. I THINK IF I GOT MY DATES RIGHT WHEN THE ORIGINAL PLAN CAME IN, THAT TRACT A WAS ANTICIPATED TO HAVE ARE SLATED TO HAVE 304 MULTIFAMILY UNITS.
WE CAME BACK IN, I THINK IT WAS LAST NOVEMBER, OCTOBER, NOVEMBER ISH.
WE CAME IN WITH A PLAN SPECIFIC FOR TRACT A.
AT THAT TIME, WE THOUGHT DUPLEXES WERE GOING TO BE THE NEXT UNIT THAT PEOPLE PEOPLE WANTED.
WE FOUND THAT THAT HASN'T BEEN THE CASE.
SO WE'VE COME BACK AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR A TOWNHOME, A MIXTURE OF FOUR, SIX AND EIGHT PLEX UNITS.
THE GEOMETRY OF THE SITE HAS NOT CHANGED AT ALL.
THERE IS NO ACCESS TO THE PARKWAY OR MALABAR ROAD FROM THIS SITE.
WE ARE SHARING STORMWATER COMPONENTS WITH THE COMMERCIAL PARCEL.
WE'RE ALSO PROVIDING THEM SANITARY SEWER THROUGH OUR LIFT STATION.
SO NONE OF THOSE COMPONENTS HAVE CHANGED.
IN FACT, FOR THE 120 UNIT DEVELOPMENT, WE ACTUALLY HAVE APPROVED CONSTRUCTION PLANS BY STAFF.
I THINK THEY WERE APPROVED IN MARCH OR APRIL.
AGAIN, IT'S JUST THE MARKET HAS CHANGED.
YOU HEARD ABOUT SOME CONSTRUCTION COSTS.
THERE IS SOME COMPONENT TO THAT.
BUT FOR US IT'S REALLY JUST A PRODUCT DIFFERENTIAL.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
JUST REQUEST YOUR RESPECTFULLY.
REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. O'DRISCOLL MADAM CHAIR.
MY FIRST QUESTION WOULD BE HOW MANY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES DO PHASES ONE, TWO, THREE AND FOUR COMPRISE.
I'M GOING TO TELL YOU IT'S PLUS OR -600, LIKE A PLUS OR MINUS.
AND THEN WE WERE LOOKING TO ADD 176 INTO THIS OUTLINED PARCEL OF LAND UNITS.
BUT THESE ARE TOWNHOME UNITS AND YOU DESCRIBED TO EACH OTHER FINE WITH IT.
SO WITHIN THIS ENTIRE PLAN, IS THERE ANY ACCESS TO HERITAGE HIGH SCHOOL OR IS IT COMPLETELY FENCED IN? AND ALL THE TRAFFIC COMING TOWARDS ST JOHNS, ALL THE VEHICULAR TRAFFIC GOES TO ST JOHN'S PRESERVE, THERE IS AN INTERNAL PEDESTRIAN ACCESS THROUGH PHASE ONE.
SO JUST NORTH OF THIS PIECE THEY'RE CONNECTED THROUGH SIDEWALKS AND SO ON.
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I'M SORRY. AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE'S ACTUALLY AN EMERGENCY BUS ACCESS IN CASE THERE'S AN ACCIDENT ALONG MALABAR ROAD THAT WOULD RESTRICT BUS BUS MOVEMENTS. THE PRINCIPAL IS ACTUALLY THE ONLY ONE WHO HAS THAT KEY THAT KEY'S BEEN TURNED OVER AND THEY, THEY HAVE ACCESS TO THAT.BUT NO VEHICULAR TRAFFIC, NO GOLF CARTS, BUT IT IS A DESIGNATED PEDESTRIAN.
THERE IS A PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY THAT HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED AND HANDED OVER TO THE SCHOOL.
AWESOME. THANK YOU FOR HITTING BOTH COMPONENTS.
I WAS LOOKING FORWARD REALLY IS WANTING TO HAVE THE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC, RIGHT? I MEAN, THESE KIDS ARE THEY'RE GOING TO WALK, THEY'RE GOING TO BIKE, THEY'RE GOING TO DO WHATEVER.
WHY THE HECK PUT THEM ON ON THOSE HIGHWAYS? SO THAT'S FANTASTIC.
AND TO HEAR ABOUT THE BACK DOOR ENTRANCE IS REALLY COOL, TOO.
SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. THAT'S MY QUESTION.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. FOUR QUESTIONS.
OR IS NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
DOES ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST? OPPOSED. CNN.
THE FLOOR IS NOW CLOSED FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS AND BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION OR FURTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH. THIS THIS IS A GOOD PROJECT.
THE DENSITY IS REALLY REASONABLE.
SO A MOTION TO APPROVE FHD 46 2022.
THAT CAN IN A SECOND BY MISS MIRAGE.
ALL IN FAVOR. I BE OPPOSED AND CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
STEPHEN WHITE PRINCIPAL PLANNER GROWTH MANAGEMENT THE CASE BEFORE YOU CP 32 2022.
LOCATION IS AT 4400 DIXIE HIGHWAY NORTHEAST PALM BAY IS APPROXIMATELY 6.92 ACRES AND CURRENTLY HAS A FUTURE LAND USE OF COMMERCIAL. APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGE FROM COMMERCIAL TO B EMU BAYFRONT MIXED USE CP 32 2020 TO MEETS THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT REQUEST AND STAFF AND THE APPLICANT ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
GOOD EVENING. CHAIRWOMAN JORDAN, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.
I'M WITH THE LAW FIRM OF LACY LYONS ROSENKER IN ROCKLEDGE.
HE IS A PARTNER WITH WOODFIELD ACQUISITIONS LLC.
THIS IS A PROJECT, A MIXED USE PROJECT ON THE SITE OF AN F HIT COMMERCIAL USE BUILDING.
TO BE HONEST, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEY USE IT FOR.
AND IT SHOWS THE NEIGHBORS TO THE WEST, SOUTH AND NORTH AND EAST.
THIS IS AN F FIT COMMERCIAL USE THAT WE WISH TO CHANGE TO A BAYFRONT MIXED USE PROJECT.
THE PROJECT WILL HAVE 5000 SQUARE FOOT OF COMMERCIAL ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE.
131 APARTMENTS WILL BE FIVE LEVELS ON THE ROAD SIDE OF DIXIE HIGHWAY, SIX LEVELS AT THE WEST.
THERE IS A VERY LARGE DIP IN THIS THAT GOES DOWN TO THE WEST.
AND SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE A BASEMENT LEVEL AND IT WILL BE SIX LEVELS.
THESE APARTMENTS WILL BE CONCRETE BLOCK.
AND THEY WILL BE VERY HIGH END APARTMENTS.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS REZONING IS TO MAKE THE MIXED USE, AND IT'S TO CHANGE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO THE BAYFRONT MIXED USE AND THE ZONING TO BAYFRONT MIXED USE. THE BAYFRONT MIXED USE PURPOSE IS TO PROVIDE FOR ATTRACTIVE AND FUNCTIONAL USE OF HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL WITH LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL WITH A MIX OF 20% COMMERCIAL, WHICH THIS WILL HAVE.
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IF YOU LOOK ON PAGE TWO, ON PAGE THREE, PAGE TWO IS THE VIEW FROM THE NORTH WEST LOOKING TOWARDS THE RIVER.THAT WILL BE WHERE THE COMMERCIAL WILL BE IN THAT AREA BY THE PATIO.
AND AGAIN, YOU'LL BE FACING THEY'LL BE FACING THE MARINA TO THE NORTH.
THE SECOND PICTURE SHOWS IT FROM THE HIGHWAY VIEW, LOOKING FROM THE SOUTH AND EAST.
GOING BACK TO PAGE TWO, WE DON'T HAVE A FULLY DEVELOPED SITE PLAN YET, BUT THE SETBACKS AS PROPOSED ARE 60 FEET FROM THE WEST, 60 FEET FROM THE CANAL.
FROM THE PROPERTY LINE AND 100 FEET FROM THE SOUTH, AS YOU KNOW, THIS IS SURROUNDED BY.
THE PALM BAY ESTATES MOBILE HOME COOPERATIVE, BOTH TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE WEST.
AND SO THIS WILL HAVE VERY SIGNIFICANT BUFFERS, MUCH MORE SO THAN THE EMU COMMERCIAL ZONE REQUIRES.
THE EMU COMMERCIAL ZONE REQUIRES A REAR SETBACK OF 30 AND A SIDE SETBACK OF 24.
THIS PROJECT WILL HAVE 60 AND 100 FEET.
THIS IS A MIXED USE AREA ALREADY TO THE NORTH, OUR BOAT SAILS AND A MARINA, AS I SAID, TO THE SOUTH AND WEST PALM BAY ESTATES MOBILE HOME COOPERATIVE. THERE'S PALM CALLED PALM BAY TOWN CENTER SHOPPING MALL TO THE SOUTH.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN IT AT THIS POINT.
ACROSS THE HIGHWAY IS THE VFW.
TO THE NORTH OF THAT IS A BAR AND LOUNGE.
TO THE NORTH OF THAT IS A GAS STATION.
SO THIS IS A VERY MIXED USE AREA.
THERE ARE SOME HOUSES ALSO IN THAT AREA TO THE EAST.
AND THIS IS A REDEVELOPMENT ZONE.
IT ADVANCES THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
CITIZENS MEETING ON AUGUST 22ND, AND THE ENGINEER OF RECORD, BRUCE MOYA, WHO COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT, WAS PRESENT ALONG WITH MR. ABRAMSON. AND THERE WERE QUITE A FEW PEOPLE THERE, AND THERE WERE A LOT OF COMMENTS, AND THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE UNHAPPY, AND I'M SURE YOU'LL HEAR THAT TONIGHT.
BUT AGAIN, THIS IS A MIXED USE AREA.
THIS IS WHAT BAYFRONT MIXED USE IS SUPPOSED TO BE.
AND THESE ARE SUBSTANTIAL SETBACKS.
THEIR CONCERNS WERE BASICALLY THE BUFFERING LANDSCAPE AND FENCING, AND THE DEVELOPER IS WILLING TO DO AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO BUFFER IN LANDSCAPE, TO MAKE THE NEIGHBORS FEEL MORE SATISFIED WITH THIS PROJECT.
WITH THAT, I WOULD ASK FOR THE APPROVAL OF C.P.
30 220 22 THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGE FROM COMMERCIAL TO BAYFRONT MIXED USE ON 6.92 ACRES.
IS THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? JUST TO CONFIRM YOU IN THE CITIZENS MEETING, THE BUFFERING THAT YOU HAVE HERE IS AFTER DISCUSSION WITH THEM OR THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU TOLD THEM. THIS IS WHAT THEY SHOWED THEM AT THE MEETING AND THEY STILL WEREN'T HAPPY WITH THAT, CORRECT? ACTUALLY, THIS HAS GONE DOWN THE FLOOR SINCE THE TIME THEY'VE MET WITH THEM.
IT WAS A TALLER BUILDING AT THE TIME.
SO THIS HAS GONE DOWN A FLOOR SINCE.
SO IS THERE ANYTHING YOU REDUCED IT BEFORE YOU WENT? OKAY. I APOLOGIZE. HE'S GOING TO REDUCE IT.
YEAH. I GUESS HE'S GOING TO COME UP TO OTHERS.
MR.. ABRAMSON YOU'LL NEED TO COME UP BECAUSE HE NEEDS TO BE ON THE RECORD.
HI. HOW ARE YOU? SO BEFORE WE MET WITH THE NEIGHBORS, IT WAS A FLOOR HIGHER.
WE REDUCED IT BEFORE WE MET WITH THEM.
ROSS ABRAMSON WITH WOODFIELD ACQUISITIONS.
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WHATEVER REALLY WORKS BEST.I MEAN, THERE ARE SOME AREAS WHERE THERE'S A REALLY TALL RETENTION WALL THERE.
I DON'T IMAGINE THEY WANT ANOTHER WALL ON TOP OF A RETENTION WALL, CREATING A HUGE BARRIER.
SO WHATEVER WORKS BEST FOR THE PROJECT AND WE'LL WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS WE'RE UP FOR.
THE BOARD HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? EXPLAIN THE PROJECT.
EXPLAIN IT. YES, SIR. EXPLAIN THE PROJECT.
YEAH. SO IT'S A LUXURY APARTMENT BUILDING.
WE ALSO CLOSED BACK IN APRIL ON THE WINN-DIXIE SITE.
SO THIS IS KIND OF A SECOND PHASE FOR THAT PROJECT.
WE'LL BE DEVELOPING THEM BOTH AT THE SAME TIME.
THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ATTRACTIVE AMENITY TO THE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S GOING TO BE CONCRETE CONSTRUCTION, SO REALLY WELL BUILT.
THE RIVER EDGE SITE THAT'S IN QUESTION TONIGHT.
YOU'RE REMOVING YOUR TEAR DOWN TO THE THE OLD BUILDING OUT, WHICH IS VACANT.
THEY'RE NOT USING THE BUILDING RIGHT NOW.
IN TERMS OF ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS BEING ON THERE ON THE RIVER, I'M NOT SURE.
WHAT YOU HAVE DONE REGARDS TO THAT OR WHAT STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED REGARD? WELL, THE ONLY THING WE REALLY DISCUSSED WITH WITH BRUCE AND IS STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, WHICH WILL BE UPGRADED TO THE LATEST STANDARDS.
SO WE'LL UPGRADE THE WHOLE SITE TO THE LATEST STANDARDS.
THAT'S KIND OF THE BIGGEST ENVIRONMENTAL ITEM THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK WITH.
HAVE AN UPDATED TRAFFIC STUDY.
CEO. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR, SIR.
I KNOW THIS ISN'T A SITE PLAN OR WHAT HAVE YOU, BUT DO YOU GUYS INTEND TO ACCESS THE WATER IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, WHETHER IT BE A DOCK THAT SOMEONE COULD PULL A BOAT UP TO OR APPEAR THAT EXTENDS? OR ARE YOU GOING TO STICK STRICTLY WITH THIS BOARDWALK WHERE THEY CAN WALK ALONG? WE WANT TO ACTIVATE THE THE WATERWAY THERE.
SO THIS WAS KIND OF A PLACEHOLDER THAT WE INTEND TO DO SOME KIND OF BOARDWALK ALONG THERE.
WE MET WITH THE NEARBY MARINA ALSO.
SO, I MEAN, IF WE COULD DO A BOARDWALK AROUND THERE, IF WE COULD DO A BOAT, PULL UP AREA THAT PEOPLE COULD PARK THERE AND ACCESS WHATEVER RETAIL WE'RE DOING, IF IT'S A RESTAURANT, A CAFE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT'LL BE A FANTASTIC AMENITY.
SO WE'RE NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO PER CODE YET.
SO I DON'T WANT TO OVERCOMMIT ON THIS, BUT WE'RE LOOKING INTO THAT.
AND I'M NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT THE HUMAN BEINGS BUT EVERYBODY AROUND.
BUT TO TO NOT ACCESS IN THERE.
WHAT IT IS NOW IS AS YOU'RE COMING OUT OF TURKEY CREEK AND YOU'RE KIND OF ENTERING THAT AREA, PALM BAY MARINA, IF THAT'S PRESUMING YOU PUT IN AND TURKEY CREEK AND YOU'RE AND YOU'RE COMING OUT TOWARDS PALM BAY TO TO SEE THE RIVER, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S IT'S A IT'S LIKE A LITTLE ESTUARY OFF TO THE SIDE, RIGHT? YOU MIGHT GO IN THERE AND GET SOME BAITFISH IF THE SUN HASN'T COME UP YET.
AND YOU CAN STILL POTENTIALLY DO THAT EVEN WITH A CONDO BUILDING HERE.
SO I WOULD REALLY WANT TO ADVOCATE MORE FOR PARTNERSHIP WITH PALM BAY MARINA.
THEY SEEM TO BE GOOD COMMUNITY PARTNERS AND JUST THE SURROUNDING AREAS TO TO GET THAT THAT CONTINUITY THAT YOU'RE ALLUDING TO, BUT TO NOT EXTEND OFF OF YOUR PROPERTY TO TOO TERRIBLY FAR, BECAUSE BEFORE TOO LONG, THEN YOU'RE YOU'RE TOUCHING THAT OPPOSITE SHORE, RIGHT? EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT LITERALLY DOING IT, JUST METAPHORICALLY SPEAKING.
RIGHT. DISTURBING THE WAKE THINGS OF THE SORT.
SO I THIS IS A MARGINAL YOU'VE BEEN HERE ALL NIGHT, SO YOU'VE HEARD MY COMMENTS ON OTHER PROJECTS.
BUT THIS IS MORE OF AN APPROPRIATE AREA.
THIS IS SUPPORTED BY OUR FUTURE INFRASTRUCTURE PLANS.
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SO I DO WANT TO SUPPORT BUT I REALLY WANT TO PRESERVE THE SANCTITY THAT IS THAT LITTLE STRETCH OF CANAL RIGHT THERE BECAUSE IT IS IT'S BEAUTIFUL SPOT.AND I HOPE YOU GET A CHANCE TO SEE IT BY BOAT ONE DAY.
NO, WE REALLY THINK IT'S A BEAUTIFUL AREA, TOO.
WE WERE OUT THERE WITH AN ARBORIST.
THERE'S A LOT OF INVASIVE SPECIES OF PLANTS.
I'VE GOT THE NAME OF THE BRAZILIAN PEPPERS.
BRAZILIAN PEPPERS ALL OVER THERE.
SO WE'LL GO IN AND WE'LL CLEAN UP THAT AREA, WHICH WILL REALLY HELP THE HABITAT.
CAREFUL, WE WE HAVE A GREAT CITY STAFF THAT WILL HELP YOU THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND MAKE SURE YOU TAKE OUT THE RIGHT TREES, NOT THE WRONG TREES. TREAD LIGHTLY.
YEAH. HERE THE FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
FOUR IS NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
ARE THERE ANY PEOPLE IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST? BRATTON. BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST.
THE REASON WHY I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS ONE, BECAUSE YOU'RE CHANGING COMMERCIAL WHEN YOU'RE CHANGING A COMMERCIAL SITE TO MIXED USE IS BECAUSE I'M STILL GOING TO HAVE SOME COMMERCIAL WITH SOME RESIDENTIAL.
THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WHY I'M I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS OF THIS ONE.
IN FACT, RIVER'S EDGE, THOSE OF YOU WHO KNOW ME, THIS IS WHERE MY OFFICE WAS ORIGINALLY GOING TO BE FROM THE DIVISION OF MARINE ENVIRONMENTAL SYSTEMS, BECAUSE WE COULD THEN ACCESS THE THE WATER RIGHT FROM A CAMPUS SITE, FROM THAT AS CAMPUS SITE.
IT'S PROBABLY 75 FOOT DROP FROM THE ROAD ELEVATION TO THE WATER TO THE WATER'S EDGE.
AFTER YEARS OF BEING THERE, WATER RETENTION ON SITE IS GOING TO BE A REAL PROBLEM FOR THEM.
BUT. THE CONCEPT OF COMBINING BOTH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL JUST MAKES SENSE, ESPECIALLY WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF TURKEY CREEK, WITH THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT COMING IN.
BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT.
THAT'S UP TO THEM. THEY'RE THE ONES SPENDING THE MONEY TO SEE IF WE CAN MAKE IT WORK.
BUT I'M NOT SURE. ELEVATION IS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM FOR HIM, THOUGH.
THANK YOU. THE GENTLEMAN IN THE BACK.
I'M BRAD KENYON WITH THE PALM BAY MARINA.
AND WE'RE IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT.
WE DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A MIX UP WITH THE WHAT WE CALL THE PONTOON LAGOON AND THE OWNERSHIP OF THAT, WHICH WAS SOMETHING WE'RE WORKING OUT THAT'S NOT REALLY WITH THEM, BUT WE ARE IN FAVOR OF IT, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE THEM HAVE SOME WATER ACCESS, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A NICE ADDITION TO THE PALM BAY.
THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT? WELL. PERCY MEL 14 1455 SOUTH OF WICKHAM.
I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF MONEY SPENT ACQUIRING PROPERTIES AND THE MARINA BEING SOLD, SO IT'S KIND OF NICE TO SEE SOME OF THIS DEVELOPMENT COMING AND BRINGING THAT SYNERGY TO THE AREA. SO THANK YOU GUYS.
IT'S GREAT. PETER, IS ANYONE OPPOSED TO THIS PROJECT? I'M IN THE. HANG UP.
HIGH CAN FETCH 3000 INDIAN RIVER DRIVE.
I AM DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET.
COME DOWN THE HILL AND SEE THE PONTOON BOAT WITH THE GREEN TOP ON IT.
RIGHT AT THE BOTTOM OF THE HILL.
THAT'S ME. PEOPLE COME IN THE BACK OF THAT, COME DOWN THAT DRIVEWAY NOW.
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WHATNOT. AND WE HAD A SHOOTING THERE A FEW MONTHS AGO UP BEHIND THAT BUILDING.AND I SEE HEADLIGHTS BEFORE I EVEN HEARD THE GUNSHOTS.
THAT'S HOW MUCH IT'S RIGHT IN MY FACE.
THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE GOING TO BE COMING DOWN THIS HILL.
AND I HAVE PICTURES THAT SHOW WHERE THERE'S ABOUT A HANDFUL OF US THAT ARE RIGHT.
RIGHT. WE COULD THROW A STONE RIGHT TO THE POOL AND HIT THEIR POOL.
THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A POOL. WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO ABOUT OURS AT NIGHT? WE'RE OVER 55 COMMUNITY PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
I'M SORRY, 830 YOU CAN DRIVE THROUGH AND THE LIGHTS ARE PROBABLY ALREADY OFF.
THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A POOL GOING.
PEOPLE LIVE THERE. THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THEIR POOL PARTIES AND ALL THAT.
SO WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN A COUPLE OF YEARS DOWN THE LINE WHEN THEY HAVE THIS PLACE, THEN THEY HAVE THE PLACE WHERE WINN-DIXIE IS AND THEY'RE SAYING, WELL, YOU KNOW, PALM BAY, WE HAVE THESE LUXURY APARTMENTS BECAUSE NOBODY CAN AFFORD THEM ANYWAY.
I MEAN, WHO CAN AFFORD ALL THESE LUXURY APARTMENTS GOING IN? I MEAN, PERSONALLY, IF I HAD TO LIVE BY MYSELF ON WHAT I GET FOR MY SOCIAL SECURITY CHECK EVERY MONTH, I COULDN'T I DON'T KNOW WHERE I COULD LIVE.
I COULDN'T LIVE ANYWHERE IN THERE.
LUXURY APARTMENTS, YOU GO UP BY THAT PLACE NOW THAT MALL IS HALF EMPTY.
ALL THESE BUILDINGS ARE EMPTY.
THERE'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF ACTION GOING BACK AND FORTH TO THE WATER.
NOBODY WANTS THESE BIG PLACES.
I MEAN, THEY'RE ON THE HILL, BUT THEY'RE COMING DOWN THE HILL.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM, I MEAN, I CAN SHOW YOU PICTURES.
ACTUALLY, LYNNE HAS AN AMAZING THING.
SHE'S GOING TO SHOW YOU GUYS FOR PICTURES.
AND IT JUST SHOWS I MEAN, THE WATER UP THERE NOW, OUR WATER IS HORRIBLE.
THE SMELL THAT COMES OUT OF OUR WATER IS DISGUSTING.
YOU GO UP BY THE STREETS, UP BEHIND THE DOLLAR GENERAL STORE AND ALL UP BY 50.
SOME MORNINGS, THE SEWER STENCH IS ENOUGH TO KILL YOU.
LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE? I'M SORRY.
THEY SAY THEY'RE BUILDING ALL THESE PLACES.
THESE BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL PLACES.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE EBAY, YOU KNOW? YOU SEE ALL THESE BEAUTIFUL THINGS ON EBAY THAT GO FOR $1,000,000, LIKE THESE RENTALS, 20 $300.
I CAN'T INSURE IT, THAT'S FOR SURE.
SO WHO'S GOING TO LIVE IN ALL THESE LUXURY APARTMENTS? SO YOU GO TO EBAY AND THEY'RE OUT THERE, BUT WHO'S BUYING THEM? THEY'RE ALL FOR RENT.
THEY'RE ALL FOR SALE. BUT WHO'S RENTING? WHO'S BUYING THESE PLACES? NOBODY. THEY'RE HALF EMPTY.
WHAT ABOUT EMINENT DOMAIN? IS THAT GOING TO EVER BE ABLE TO COME INTO OUR PICTURE? I MEAN, THEY SAY THAT WE HAVE ONLY HAVE 30 FEET BETWEEN THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND US, WHEREAS OVER THERE WE HAVE 50 OR WHATEVER IT WAS.
WELL, WE DIDN'T HAVE A CHOICE ON THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
I MEAN, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THEY TOOK.
WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY CHOICES, BUT WITH THIS, WE DON'T WANT THEM ACROSS THE WAY FROM US.
AND I THINK WHEN YOU SEE THE PRESENTATION THAT LYNN HAS, I THINK YOU MAY AGREE THAT WE'RE OLD.
YOU KNOW, WE ALL LIVE THERE CHEAP.
WHERE ARE WE GOING TO GO? AND NOBODY WANTS TO LOOK.
SO I MEAN, WE JUST PUT THIS TORE UP THE WHOLE SIDE OF OUR HOUSE.
I'M GOING TO HAVE ALL OF THEM IN THAT.
THE WILDLIFE'S GONE, EVERYTHING.
SO I REALLY HOPE YOU ENJOY THE PRESENTATION SHE HAS, BECAUSE IT'S REALLY A GOOD ONE.
THANK YOU. WHAT ELSE, MA'AM? IN THE BLUE.
IT. MAY I APPROACH YOU TO HAND OUT PACKAGES OF EIGHT BY TEN THAT I MADE FOR THE BOARD?
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UNFORTUNATELY, I WAS GIVEN INCORRECT INFORMATION AND WAS TOLD ONLY BE FIVE OF YOU, BUT I DO HAVE LARGER THINGS TO SHOW YOU, SO MAYBE YOU CAN SHARE. JUST A MINUTE.WHERE ARE THE OTHER ONE? ONE, TWO, THREE.
WHAT'S HAPPENING? THIS IS FOR THEM, BUT I ONLY HAVE FIVE PACKAGES OF EIGHT BY TEN.
THIS IS THE SAME THING AS THIS.
IT'S MUCH EASIER TO SEE AND EXPLAIN.
THIS IS SIX PACKAGES, FIVE PACKAGES OF SIX PICTURES.
THESE ARE THE SAME. I CAN GIVE THOSE.
OH, I'M ALLOWED. I WANT THEM TO KEEP THEM.
LET ME START OVER. MY NAME IS LYNNE GRIMES.
THIS IS MY HUSBAND, ROGER GRIMES.
HE'S GOING TO BE VANNA WHITE FOR US TONIGHT.
YOU'LL HAND THAT OUT FOR THEM TO SHARE.
CAN YOU GET UP AND LET THEM SEE? BUT I ALSO HAVE TO GIVE THEM THE PICTURES SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT I'M ABOUT TO PRESENT.
I FORGOT MY POINTER JUST IN CASE.
OK. WHEN YOU GET YOUR PICTURES.
I'VE NUMBERED THEM ONE THROUGH SIX.
ARE WE READY WHEN YOU LET ME KNOW WHEN WE'RE READY TO GO AND EVERYBODY CAN SEE THESE? YOU HAVE THE SMALLER VERSION.
THIS IS JUST A LARGER VERSION.
ARE WE GOOD? MAY I START? OK. RIGHT HERE, WHICH IS YOUR FIRST PAGE NUMBER.
PICTURE NUMBER ONE ON THE BOTTOM.
THERE'S A LITTLE MOBILE HOME PARK.
USED TO BE A LITTLE FISH CAMP BACK IN THE DAY.
WE'VE GOT TWO BLOCKS, ONLY TWO BLOCKS AND TWO SHORT BLOCKS.
TO HAVE OUR FUN LITTLE, LITTLE PLACE ON THE WATER.
THIS IS OUR HOME THAT WE HAVE CUSTOM BUILT.
THIS IS THE FIGHT PROPERTY WE'RE ADDRESSING AT THIS POINT.
THIS IS JUST PARTICULARLY OUR PLACE.
THIS IS WHAT WE'VE LOOKED AT FOR FIVE YEARS.
THIS AGAIN, FIT THE LITTLE BRICK BUILDING YOU CAN SEE UP THE HILL.
THAT'S THE BUILDING. SO THIS IS THE CANAL.
CAN YOU PUT THAT DOWN? NUMBER TWO.
IF WE CAN. GO BACK NOW TO THE SECOND PICTURE.
EVERY ONE OF THESE HOMES WATERFRONT OUR LITTLE MOBILE WATERFRONT HOMES.
HE'S LOOKING AT THAT FIGHT PROPERTY TO THIS DAY.
THESE PICTURES WERE JUST TAKEN.
WE ONLY HAD TWO WEEKS NOTICE THAT THIS WAS COMING.
AND I WENT TO EVERY PERSON'S YARD AND TOOK A PICTURE OF WHAT WE SPENT OUR MONEY ON.
ALL OF US IN THAT TINY LITTLE PIECE OF HEAVEN IS THIS IS WHAT EVERY ONE OF US ON THAT WATER HAS ENJOYED, EVEN WITH THAT FIGHT THERE ALL THESE YEARS.
DID YOU SEE? THIS IS VERY DIFFICULT FOR ME.
THEY CAN'T TOUCH THEM. THEY'VE ALREADY TRIED TWICE TO KILL THEM.
I CAUGHT THEM, VIDEO THEM AND STOPPED IT.
THE DEAD ONE IS HALF DEAD IS HERE.
THIS IS WHAT ON THEIR PROPERTY LOOKS AT OUR CANAL.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A VERY NARROW CANAL.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF LAND HERE.
THIS IS KIM'S HOME THAT SHE'S JUST ADDRESSED.
THAT IS HER HOME. MANY OF US WILL BE AFFECTED.
IF YOU GO TO YOUR NEXT PICTURE.
NOW TURN TOWARD ME SO I CAN SEE.
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THESE ARE OVER 100 YEAR OLD OAK TREES SITTING ON THAT PROPERTY.ANIMALS. EVERYTHING LIVES HERE.
A LITTLE PIECE THAT WE CAN AFFORD.
THAT WE INVESTED IN, THAT WE TAKE PRIDE IN OUR LITTLE PARK AND WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CHOICES.
BUT THEY PUT A SECOND RAILROAD TRACK IN IN FIVE YEARS.
I BUILT MY CUSTOM HOME FIVE YEARS AGO AND MY HOUSE IS SUNK BY ONE DEGREE.
THAT RAILROAD IS TWO BLOCKS BEHIND ME, BUT THIS IS TEN FEET FOR ME.
NOW, IF I CAN SHOW YOU THE REAL CRIME.
OK. THESE ARE TAKEN IN MY YARD AND I CAN PROVE IT ON MY PHONE.
THE EXACT DATES AND TIMES TOWARD ME A LITTLE BIT.
MY GATOR. BEEN THERE FIVE YEARS.
AND YOU'LL LOOK IN YOUR PICTURES.
IT WAS PROBABLY THE SADDEST THING I'VE EVER SEEN.
TWICE. IF I CUT THAT PROPERTY, THE GRASS AND ALL THIS FEEDING GROUND.
AND I WAITED THAT NIGHT TO SEE WHO CAME BACK FIRST.
AND THAT LITTLE SNOWY EGRET AND THAT BABY ALLIGATOR THAT YOU SEE IN THE CORNER CAME BACK AND WANDERED THE PROPERTY AROUND AND AROUND IN CIRCLES FOR HOURS, BECAUSE THAT MORNING WHEN THEY LEFT, THEY HAD A HOME.
IT WAS THERE AND YOU WIPED IT ALL OUT.
ONE OF THESE THINGS IS NOT LIKE THE OTHER.
THERE'S NO WAY THAT THIS 60 YEAR OLD LITTLE TO BLOCK MOBILE HOME PARK THAT WE TOOK PRIDE IN DESERVES A SIX STORY NIGHTMARE IN OUR BACKYARD.
YEAH, WE CAN LOSE EVERYTHING WE BOUGHT INTO.
WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO EAT? WHERE ARE THOSE DOLPHINS GOING TO GO? THEY RAISED THEIR BABIES IN OUR CANAL.
THEY TEACH THEM HOW TO SWIM BEFORE THEY GO TO THE RIVER.
THEY TAKE PRIDE IN LIVING THERE ALSO.
HOW ONCE YOU TAKE ALL THOSE 100 YEAR OLD TREES DOWN FOR YOUR PROGRESS, THIS IS NOT PROGRESS.
SO WHERE DO YOU SEE ANYTHING IN THIS ENTIRE RIVER? HERE'S THE BAY. HERE'S PALM BAY MARINA.
WHERE DO YOU SEE EVEN A TWO STORY THING IN ANY OF THIS? YOU'VE ALREADY APPARENTLY GRANTED THEM DOWN HERE A 300 UNIT NIGHTMARE.
ASSUMING TWO PEOPLE TO AN APARTMENT, LUXURY APARTMENTS.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO IT.
I'VE LIVED IN THE TURKEY CREEK SANCTUARY NOW FOR 15 YEARS.
SAINT JOHN'S WILL NO LONGER ALLOW A SEA WALL UP OR ANY KIND OF WALKWAY, INCLUDING OUR PARK.
YOU CAN'T REPLACE IT FROM NOW ON.
THEY'RE MAKING YOU PUT THOSE BIG ROCK DOCKS, ROCK SEAWALLS TO PROTECT YOUR PROPERTY.
THEY CAN'T PUT A SIDEWALK THERE.
I'M TELLING YOU, WE'RE CLOSER THAN THIS.
AND SO YOU JUST HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THIS IS NOT PROGRESS.
I'VE BEEN HERE 29 YEARS IN PALM BAY.
I'VE WATCHED YOUR DEVELOPMENT, AND I NEVER NOT SUPPORT THINGS.
I DON'T I DIDN'T BUY INTO LIVE ACROSS FROM A CONCRETE JUNGLE.
I WOULD HAVE MOVED TO MIAMI, WHERE YOU'RE FROM.
I'M SORRY. I DON'T WANT TO LIVE WHERE THERE'S AN APARTMENT BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET.
EVERY ONE OF US INVESTED IN A TWO BLOCK LITTLE PLACE THAT'S BEEN THERE OVER 60 YEARS.
DO YOU SEE HOW THAT COULD FIT IN THAT THAT ISN'T GOING TO BE A MONSTROUS CHANGE, BY THE WAY.
I'M SORRY. EXCUSE ME, BUT WHERE THE ARROWS ARE? ORANGE. THAT'S OUR HOME.
YOU WOULDN'T ALLOW A THREE STORY APARTMENT IN A NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT YOU GOING TO LET A SIX STORY IN OUR LITTLE MOBILE HOME PARK?
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WE'RE ALSO 55 AND OLDER.WE'RE SHAREHOLDERS IN A CORPORATION.
WE ALL OWN OUR LANDS AS A CORPORATION, NOT INDIVIDUALLY.
THIS IS WE ONLY PAY $180 A MONTH, INCLUDING INTERNET AND CABLE, TO LIVE THERE.
AND NOW YOU NEED TO TAKE THAT AWAY FROM US BY PUTTING WHAT YOU CALL PROGRESS.
THAT'S SIX STORIES AND THERE'S NOT A TWO STORY ANYTHING ANYWHERE NEAR US.
YOU'RE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE DOLLAR GENERAL STRIP MALL.
NOTHING WILL BE AFFECTED BY THAT BUT THIS.
I'M SORRY, BUT I CONSIDER THIS A CRIME.
SO FEEL FREE TO DRIVE IN, BUT UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE.
THOSE ANIMALS THAT NIGHT HAD NOWHERE TO GO FOR WEEKS BEFORE THAT GRASS GREW BACK.
SO I THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME AND I HOPE YOU SERIOUSLY TAKE MY OPINION.
AND I'M REPRESENTING THE PARK BECAUSE THEY'RE SNOWBIRDS AND THEY DON'T COME BACK UNTIL NOVEMBER.
AND WE JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS IN AUGUST.
YOU PUT THE SIGN UP ON AUGUST 24TH AND TODAY SEPTEMBER 6TH.
SO I TOOK IT UPON MYSELF TO TRY TO PUT A PACKAGE TOGETHER.
SO YOU CAN SEE, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, THEY DIDN'T PUT THE DEVELOPER'S PICTURES UP FOR THE OTHER PEOPLE TO SEE, BUT I TOOK PICTURES OF WHAT THEY PRESENTED TO US AND IT'S NOT EVEN A LITTLE OKAY.
AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND LISTENING TO ME.
THANK YOU. DID ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS? AND BENEATH PICTURES AS SHE DOES.
FILL OUT A COMMENT CARD, MA'AM? NO, YOU NEED TO FILL IT OUT.
THIS ONE RIGHT HERE. YES, PLEASE.
YOU CAN DO IT AFTER YOU SPEAK.
YOUR ADDRESS. OH 3018 INDIAN RIVER DRIVE NORTHEAST.
I BOUGHT MY HOME ALMOST NINE YEARS AGO AND I BOUGHT IT BECAUSE OF PRIVACY AND THE GREEN SPACE.
THERE IS OVER 200 FAMILIES THAT LIVE THERE AND THERE'S 30 PLUS UNITS THAT ARE ON THE WATER.
THERE'S 15 OF US ABOUT THAT ARE GOING TO BE IMPACTED REALLY STRONGLY BY THIS BUILDING GOING UP.
MY HOME IS ABOUT 500 FEET FROM IT.
I MEAN, THEY CAN LOOK RIGHT INTO MY LIVING ROOM.
12 PLUS 50 YEAR OLD FOLKS ON THERE THAT OUGHT TO BE PROTECTED.
THERE'S A PAIR OF GREAT HORN OWLS THAT LIVE IN ONE TREE THAT NESTS THERE EVERY YEAR.
THERE'S A PAIR OF GREAT BLUE HERONS THAT HAVE A NEST THERE, TOO, EVERY YEAR.
THE CANAL I LIVE ON IS LIKE MY OWN LITTLE MARINELAND.
AS YOU KNOW, INDIAN RIVER IS BASICALLY DYING.
AND SO THESE MANATEES COME INTO OUR CANAL.
AND I GAVE YOU A PICTURE WHERE YOU CAN SEE THEM UP ON THE BANKS.
EVERY DAY. IF YOU REZONE IF YOU REZONE, THESE DEVELOPERS ARE GOING TO PUT THE BIG ROCKS DOWN THE CANAL AND THEN THE MANATEES WON'T BE ABLE TO GET THE GRASS.
HAVING PEOPLE, 20 TO 30 FAMILIES LOOKING INTO MY LIVING ROOM.
NOT TO MENTION IT'S GOING TO TAKE ONE AND A HALF, TWO YEARS OF CONSTRUCTION.
THE NOISE THEY SAY THEY'RE GOING TO PUT FOOTERS IN IF THE SOIL CAN HOLD THEM.
IF NOT, THEY'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING PILINGS.
SO WE'RE GOING TO HEAR THAT EVERY DAY.
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I DON'T LIKE IT. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO COMMENT? DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING DIFFERENT TO SAY? MY NAME IS DONNA SIBLEY AND I LIVE AT 3137 TANGIBLE DRIVE NORTHEAST IN PALM BAY ESTATES.I HAVE DIFFERENT CONCERNS THAT I WANT TO EXPRESS THAT NO ONE ELSE HAS TALKED ABOUT.
WE'RE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC.
WE ALREADY HAVE A REALLY DIFFICULT TIME GETTING EXITING THE PARK MORE THAN AND THEN ENTERING.
BUT THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC AND WITH ALL OF THESE ADDITIONAL APARTMENTS, IT CAN ONLY GET SO MUCH WORSE. WE'VE SEEN HOW IT IMPACTS THE AREA ON DAIRY ROAD WHERE THEY'VE PUT IN A LOT OF APARTMENTS AND IT'S REALLY HARD TO GET THROUGH THAT AREA NOW.
SO I THINK THAT THAT'S AN IMPORTANT POINT.
WE HAVE VERY POOR WATER PRESSURE.
AND THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT HAS OVERFLOWED DUE TO WEATHER ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS.
SO WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN THERE'S HUNDREDS MORE? APARTMENTS OR RESIDENCES.
UM. AND TAKING THE WATER PRESSURE.
I THINK THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED.
TO THE APARTMENT BUILDING AND THE NEGATIVE IMPACT IT WILL HAVE ON OUR VIEWS WILL REALLY NEGATIVELY IMPACT OUR PROPERTY VALUES.
AND WE'RE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT TURKEY CREEK.
THERE IS PRESENTLY OPEN LAND BETWEEN THE BUILDING ON THAT PROPERTY AND THE CREEK.
THIS OPEN LAND WILL BE DEVELOPED WHEN THEY BUILD THE APARTMENTS.
AND DURING THE BUILDING PROCESS, IT'S VERY LIKELY THAT ADDITIONAL SEDIMENT WILL END UP IN THE CREEK, WHICH ISN'T DEEP AS IT IS.
I'VE BEEN OUT ON A PONTOON BOAT IN THE CREEK AND THERE ARE AREAS NOW THAT YOU CAN'T GO EVEN IN A PONTOON BOAT BECAUSE THE WATER ISN'T DEEP ENOUGH.
AND WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE POSSIBLE POLLUTION.
BECAUSE IT'LL BE SO CLOSE TO THE WATER WHERE WE HAVE OPEN LAND NOW.
THE. LIKE A FIVE MILE RADIUS THAT MAYBE THIS PARTICULAR PART OF PALM BAY IS BEING DEVELOPED TOO QUICKLY. AND MAYBE WE NEED TO SLOW DOWN IN THIS AREA A LITTLE BIT.
AND I DO AGREE WITH LYNN'S POINTS.
THE SIX STOREY BUILDING REALLY ISN'T CONSISTENT WITH THE AREA THAT WE LIVE IN NOW, NOT TOO FAR AWAY.
THERE ARE CONDOS THAT ARE HIGH ON THE RIVERSIDE.
BUT OUR AREA, THERE ARE NO OTHER HIGH STRUCTURES.
THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WAS TO SPEAK, SIR, IN THE BACK.
HI. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JOHN BERTO.
I LIVE AT 2994 INDIAN RIVER DRIVE IN PALM BAY ESTATES.
MY AIM HERE IS TO BE ARTICULATE AND OBJECTIVE.
I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU TO CONSIDER THREE POINTS.
THE FIRST WAS WITH REGARD TO THE WILDLIFE.
I WANT TO LIMIT MY SPEECH AND RESPECT YOUR TIME.
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BUT YOU'VE HEARD AND I CAN CONFIRM AND CONCUR THAT THIS IS A PLACE THAT'S PARTICULARLY SPECIAL FROM AN ECOLOGICAL STANDPOINT.THERE IS A FRESHWATER BASIN OR I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WORD IS.
IT'S A POND UP ON THE SLOPE THAT GOES TO THE WEST, DOWN TO THE TURKEY CREEK CANAL.
SO THAT ALLOWS FRESH WATER ALONGSIDE SALTWATER, WHICH IS A UNIQUE NATURAL LAYOUT, IF YOU WILL.
THE WILDLIFE THERE IS REMARKABLE.
IT'S IT'S AN EXTRAORDINARY PLACE.
SO WITHOUT REGARD FOR ME BEING HAPPY OR SAD, IF THIS PROJECT MOVES FORWARD THE WAY IT'S LAID OUT CURRENTLY, THE MANATEES, IT'S REALLY EXTRAORDINARY TO SEE.
THEY APPROACH THE SHORE AND THEY EAT THE GRASSES RIGHT AT THE WATER'S EDGE.
IT'S KIND OF A WONDERFUL THING TO EXPERIENCE.
SO AND THEY HAVE YOUNG THEY COME IN AS FAMILIES.
YOU CAN SEE SOMETIMES ON THE SHORE, AS MANY AS SIX OR SEVEN ADULTS AND CHILDREN, YOUNG MANATEES EATING TOGETHER.
IT'S AN EXTRAORDINARILY BEAUTIFUL LITTLE CORNER OF THE WORLD THAT I THINK IT WOULD BE A LOSS.
I MEAN, FORGET ABOUT ME AND MY OPINION.
IF THIS BEAUTIFUL LITTLE PLACE IS NO LONGER ALLOWED TO EXIST AS IT IS.
AND I'M NOT A. BIRD BIOLOGY GUY.
I'M JUST A PERSON AND IT'S EXTRAORDINARY WHAT'S THERE.
AND I WOULD SAY I'VE NOT MEASURED IT, BUT I WANT TO LOOK YOU IN THE EYE AND SAY, I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A REALLY GOOD ESTIMATE THAT I THINK FROM THE. EAST TO WEST SHORE.
IT'S PROBABLY AROUND THE RANGE, I WOULD GUESS.
AND TO IMAGINE DOCKS AND BOARDWALKS GOING IN OVER THEIRS.
I MEAN, PROBABLY LOOK GREAT IN THE BROCHURE FOR THE APARTMENTS.
I GET IT. BUT IT JUST IT WOULDN'T WORK.
I MEAN, BASIC GEOMETRY WOULD DICTATE THE 20 FOOT BOAT WOULD HAVE A HARD TIME MAKING U-TURNS.
BUT THE IDEA OF PUTTING DOCKS AND SEAWALLS, IT'S JUST.
I DON'T. I MEAN. I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW HOW I COULD ADOPT THAT POSITION AND INTELLIGENTLY DEFEND IT.
IT'S JUST THE SPACE IS 160 APARTMENTS.
HOW MANY BOATS? LUXURY APARTMENTS.
PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE SMALL BOATS.
IT'S NOT GOING TO FIT. IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK.
THE LAST THING I WANTED TO ADDRESS IS THE NUMBER OF UNITS.
160 UNITS IS A SUBSTANTIAL IT'S A NON-TRIVIAL NUMBER OF RESIDENCES, IN MY OPINION, FOR THE PARCEL.
AND IF ITS FIRST LEVEL COMMERCIAL SHOPS AND WHATNOT.
FIVE STORIES, 160 UNITS, 32 UNITS PER FLOOR.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SIZE IS PROPOSED.
SIZES ARE PROBABLY A COUPLE OF FOOTPRINTS.
WE KNOW THE DRILL. 32 LUXURY APARTMENTS PER FLOOR.
I THINK THE THING I WANT TO IMPRESS UPON YOU IS THAT.
THIS CORNER OF PALM BAY IS A IS A IS A IT'S A DIAMOND IN THE ROUGH.
IT'S A LITTLE CROWN JEWEL WHERE MOTHER NATURE SAID THIS WORKS.
FOR ALL THESE ANIMALS AND ALL THE FISH AND ALL THE BIRDS.
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SHORELINE, IF YOU WILL.AND THERE HAVE BEEN COMMENTS ABOUT THE SEA WALL.
THE WILDLIFE THAT WILL BE LOST.
AND THAT'S KIND OF A ONE WAY DEAL.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S AND THIS IS A THESE ANIMALS.
THEY CAN'T COME TO THESE MEETINGS AND THEY DON'T SPEAK ENGLISH AND.
THIS IS A GUT PUNCH TO MOTHER NATURE.
AND SO I WOULD IMPLORE THE BOARD.
THAT DUE WEIGHT AND CONSIDERATION IS GIVEN TO THE MOTHER NATURE PORTION OF THIS.
I DON'T PRETEND TO SPEAK FOR MOTHER NATURE, BUT I THINK MOTHER NATURE WAS HERE.
THEY'D SAY, LET'S TRY TO PRESERVE THIS BEAUTIFUL BASTION OF WILDLIFE.
IT'S NOT JUST A PLACE WHERE ANIMALS ARE.
IT'S A PLACE WHERE BEAUTIFUL WILDLIFE FLOURISHES AND RENEWS ITSELF.
YOU BUILD YOUR BUILDINGS AND PAVE YOUR THINGS AND WE GET THAT.
BUT MAN, FIVE STORIES AND TAKING AWAY THE MOTHER NATURE LANDING STRIP.
BEAUTIFUL. NOT THE KIND OF THING THAT HUMANKIND CAN TURN AROUND AND CREATE.
IN THE WAY THAT HUMANKIND CAN MAKE THE DECISION TO DESTROY IT.
EVERYBODY WANTS WHAT THEY WANT.
AND THAT'S COOL. THAT'S WHY WE COME AND DO THIS TOGETHER.
BUT THIS MOTHER NATURE THING, MAN, IT'S IT'S LIKE A DIFFERENT KIND OF THING.
IT'S A SLEEP IN AT NIGHT THING.
AND I URGE YOU TO CONSIDER THESE INPUTS BECAUSE THEY'RE FROM THE HEART.
OH, I HOPE THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN.
BUT FOR A LOT OF THE OTHER REASONS I ASKED YOU TO CONSIDER A MODIFICATION OF THE PLAN THAT WOULD PRESERVE THIS BEAUTIFUL CORNER THAT MOTHER NATURE HAS HAS NOW MADE HER HOME. AND SO I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.
ANYONE ELSE FROM THE AUDIENCE.
AND THEN WITH THE APPLICANT LIKE TO RESPOND.
FIRST, THIS ISN'T A SITE PLAN.
THIS IS A RENDERING, A CONCEPT PLAN.
THIS IS WHAT HE INTENDS THEY INTEND TO TO DO REGARDING THE SETBACKS.
THESE SETBACKS WILL BE A LOT LARGER THAN COULD ALREADY BE BUILT THERE.
CURRENTLY WITH HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL, YOU COULD HAVE 40 FOOT HEIGHT BUILDING WITH A REAR SETBACK OF ONLY 30 FEET FROM THE CANAL PROPERTY LINE AND A SIZE SETBACK OF 20 FEET.
WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS 60 FEET FROM THE CANAL AND 100 FEET FROM THE SOUTH PROPERTY LINE.
THIS IS A REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT.
AS YOU HEARD. IT'S ALREADY VACANT.
COMMERCIAL PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH WAS ALREADY VACANT.
THE SHOPPING MALL I REFERENCED EARLIER.
SO THIS DOES NEED TO BE DEVELOPED WITH SOMETHING THAT'S USEFUL FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AND APARTMENTS ARE ARE NECESSARY.
I KNOW THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION AND THE PROJECT HAS CHANGED.
I BELIEVE WHEN THEY MET WITH THE RESIDENTS IT WAS 159, BUT IT'S ONLY 131 UNITS.
REGARDING THE NOISE AND THE LIGHTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THOSE ARE ALL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS TO BE ENFORCED BY THE CITY CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THE CITY CODE AND SITE PLAN ISSUES.
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BLOCK IT. THERE ARE WAYS THAT THE SITE PLAN REVIEW COMMITTEE WILL STOP THINGS THAT COULD IMPACT NEIGHBORS.WHAT CAN BE BUILT ALONG THE RIVER? WE DON'T KNOW YET. ALONG THE CANAL.
CURRENTLY THERE ARE BOATS THERE, SO SOME BOATS CAN BE PUT THERE.
IT HASN'T BEEN DONE, BUT IT COULD BE DONE.
AND AGAIN, THIS COULD BE A 40 FOOT APARTMENT, 40 FOOT HOTEL, 30 FEET FROM THE EDGE OF THE WATER.
WHATEVER ST JOHN'S REQUIRES, THE CITY REQUIRES.
I KNOW YOU HAVE TREE ORDINANCES.
IT WILL ALL BE SITE PLAN ISSUES IF AND WHEN THE TIME COMES.
REGARDING THE COMMENT BY ONE OF THE LADIES THAT AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING AND I WASN'T THERE.
IT WASN'T A TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT.
WE'RE CRAMMING THIS DOWN YOUR THROAT.
THEY WERE JUST TRYING TO PRESENT INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT THE PROPOSAL WAS.
AND WE ALL KNOW, MR. MOYA, HE CAN BE VERY VERBOSE AND THINGS COULD BE TAKEN THE WRONG WAY.
AND HE DID TRY TO FIX THAT, APPARENTLY, ACCORDING TO MY CLIENT, TO EXPLAIN WHAT HE MEANT.
BUT FROM WHAT YOU'VE HEARD, THE SITE DOES NEED REDEVELOPMENT.
IT DOES NEED TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT AND THAT WILL ALL BE TAKEN CARE OF.
SHOULD THIS GO TO SITE PLAN REVIEW? AND WITH THAT, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU APPROVE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO BAYFRONT MIXED USE.
BOARD MEMBERS, DO I HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR MOTION? A QUESTION ON THE IT LOOKS LIKE FROM LOOKING AT THAT DRAWING, I KNOW THE BAYFRONT MIXED USE.
IT CALLS FOR, I THINK 20% COMMERCIAL.
DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE'S MUCH ROOM FOR COMMERCIAL IN THAT DRAWING.
I KNOW YOU TOLD ME KIND OF WHERE IT'S GOING, BUT AND THEN SO WITH THAT, MAYBE SPEAK TO THAT.
AND THEN AS WELL AS I'D LIKE TO KNOW KIND OF WHAT YOU HAVE ANY PLANS OF WHAT'S GOING TO GO THERE AS FAR AS THE COMMERCIAL PIECE OF IT? SO IT WILL BE 20%.
OF THE FOREPLAY. AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF CONFLICT IN THE CODE AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAYS AT MOST 20%, BUT WE ARE COMMITTING TO 20% OF THIS TO BE COMMERCIAL.
I DON'T KNOW YET WHAT IT WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE.
WE HAVEN'T REALLY ENGAGED A BROKER TO REALLY REACH OUT TO TENANTS YET, BUT SOME KIND OF CAFE SANDWICH SHOP, MAYBE SOME KIND OF RESTAURANT.
SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE DEVELOPED AT THE SAME TIME, YOU'RE GOING TO DEVELOP THE HOUSING FIRST.
YEAH, IT'S ON THE GROUND FLOOR.
WE'LL BUILD AT THE SAME TIME. SO IT WILL BE DEVELOPED AT THE SAME TIME? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. FOUR QUESTIONS.
BUT WHAT WHAT DO WE HAVE? I KNOW WE HAVE A SUSTAINABILITY BOARD AND WHAT DO WE HAVE THAT WILL PROTECT THIS ENVIRONMENT BECAUSE WE CAN'T IGNORE IT.
ALL OF THAT WOULD BE HANDLED DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE.
PUBLIC WORKS. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE STATE.
THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE MITIGATION IN PLACE, WHETHER IT'S TREES, WILDLIFE, PROTECTED SPECIES.
THAT'S ALL STEPS THAT WILL BE TAKEN AT THE TIME OF THOSE PLANS.
RIGHT NOW, THIS IS JUST AN ENTITLEMENT AND IT'S JUST A RENDERING.
SO PUBLIC WORKS WILL HAVE INPUT.
WE WILL GO OUT FOR TREE MITIGATION.
IT WILL BE ON THE SURVEY IF THERE'S AGAIN, ANIMALS.
ST JOHNS I'M NOT SURE MELBOURNE TILGHMAN MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING ON THIS.
IF THERE'S ANY WILDLIFE THAT'S PROTECTED, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE RELOCATED.
SO WHEN THEY ARE COMING WITH THEIR DEVELOPMENT, WHATEVER TO PROTECT, I JUST WANT TO KNOW BECAUSE I DO WE ACTUALLY TALK TO OUR SUSTAINABILITY BOARD OR LOOK AT WHAT THEY HAVE HAD PUT TOGETHER TO SEE HOW THIS WILL IMPACT WHERE WE'RE BUILDING ACCORDINGLY.
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WE DO REVIEW ALL LOCAL CODE WHEN WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE SITE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING THAT IS SUBMITTED IS IN IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR LOCAL CODE AND ORDINANCES. AND WE DO THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT ALL OTHER DEPARTMENTS HAVE ALSO BEEN HELD ACCOUNTABLE.MOTIAN WELL, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF THINGS.
IT'S I UNDERSTAND THE NEIGHBORS CONCERNS, YOU KNOW, WITH THEIR MOBILE HOME PARK.
IT CAN BE DEVELOPED RIGHT NOW.
IT'S ZONED FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
BAYFRONT MIXED USE THAT THAT ZONING WAS WAS PROPOSED SO THAT WE REQUIRED THE CITY REQUIRES 20% COMMERCIAL USE WITH THE MULTIFAMILY.
SO IT SERVES SEVERAL PURPOSES.
AND YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S YOU KNOW, IT'S A VALUABLE PROPERTY BECAUSE OF ITS, YOU KNOW, THE WATERFRONT ADJACENT. AND THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF REALLY WATERFRONT PROPERTY IS LUXURY APARTMENTS.
SO HAVING SAID THAT, MOTION TO APPROVE CP 32 2022.
NOW. SYDNEY, THIS MIRAGE IS THE NAME.
OKAY, MR. WARNER. HARRIS FIVE.
MR.. MR. WHITE. IT'S, OF COURSE, A QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF.
2022. LOCATION OF THIS PROJECT WILL BE AT 4400.
APPROXIMATELY 6.92 ACRES FEATURE LAND USE OF COMMERCIAL AND THE CURRENT ZONING H.C.
REQUEST AND STAFF AND APPLICANT ARE AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE THE APPLICANT.
CHAIRMAN CAMERAS ANKA LACEY LYONS PRESENT ON BEHALF OF THE DEVELOPER WOODFIELD ACQUISITIONS LLC.
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD OTHER THAN WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD.
WE CAN ANSWER THOSE. BUT AGAIN, THIS IS A REDEVELOPMENT AREA.
IT'S A GOOD USE OF THE PROJECT.
I'LL HAVE THE 20% COMMERCIAL AND 31 APARTMENTS AND WE'D ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL OF THE REZONING.
YEAH. FOUR IS NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
DOES ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST? AGAINST. NOW WILL BE BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD.
WELL, THE FLOOR IS NOT CLOSED FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS, DO WE? MORE DISCUSSION MEMBERS? DO WE HAVE A QUESTIONS OR A MOTION? YES, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE ONE POINT OF DISCUSSION FOR THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD, AND IT MIGHT BE A SLIGHTLY CONTROVERSIAL STATEMENT, BUT I REALLY DO VIEW REDEVELOPMENT TO THIS AREA AS A BENEFIT TO THIS AREA AND AT THAT.
A BENEFIT TO THE WILDLIFE THAT IS THERE NOW.
IT WAS VERY IMPACTFUL TO SEE THOSE PICTURES, THOSE PARTICULAR WILDLIFE.
AND I'VE SEEN THE THE BIRD THAT DOESN'T KNOW WHERE HOME IS.
YOU KNOW, THE LOT NEXT TO ME WAS CLEARED A FEW FEW MONTHS AGO AND I HAD THE SAME EXACT THING AND AND I TEARED UP JUST AS WELL AS THAT RESIDENT DID, BECAUSE IT REALLY IS SAD TO TO PROCESS THE DICHOTOMY THAT IS OUR HUMAN EXISTENCE WITH THIS BEAUTIFUL NATURE THAT WE'VE ALL CHOSE TO LIVE IN BY COMING TO FLORIDA AND BY BEING IN BREVARD COUNTY, ONE OF THE MOST ECOLOGICALLY DIVERSE PLACES IN THE WORLD, ARGUABLY.
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SO IT'S REALLY, REALLY TRICKY AND HARD TO EVALUATE THINGS LIKE THIS AND IMAGINE, YOU KNOW, TREES AND FOLIAGE AND THINGS LIKE THAT GOING DOWN.BUT WHAT I SEE IN DEVELOPMENT OF THIS BAYFRONT AREA AND A RESURGENCE IN THIS AREA AND A RENEWING OF THIS AREA IS A RAISE IN THE LEVEL OF AWARENESS FROM THE CITIZENS THAT WILL COME TO OUR COMMUNITY OF THE MISTREATMENT OF THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON.
WHY WOULD I WANT TO GO TO THE TO THE RUNDOWN PART OF TOWN THAT SMELLS FUNNY AS ONE OF THE RESIDENTS BROUGHT UP BECAUSE THE TROUBLE IN THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON AND THE RED TIDES, THEY KEEP GOING WITHOUT ATTENTION BECAUSE WE ARE NOT INSISTING THAT THIS ABUSE OF OUR LAGOON DISCONTINUES.
WE ARE NOT INSISTING THAT WE TAKE STEPS.
AND I THINK THAT AS WE DEVELOP THE BAYFRONT AND WE BRING NEW RESIDENTS AND WE BRING RESIDENTS FROM ALL OVER BREVARD COUNTY TO OUR AREA, AND THEY SEE, HEY, THESE NEW STRUCTURES THAT THAT THIS AREA, PALM BAY HAS TO OFFER.
BUT THEN THEY SEE THE CONDITION OF OUR INDIAN RIVER LAGOON.
I'M HOPING WE CAN GET GAIN AND GARNER THAT MUCH MORE SUPPORT AND ADVOCACY, BECAUSE THE TRUE TRAGEDY HERE IS THE CONDITION OF THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON AND IT IS THE CONDITION OF THE TURKEY CREEK. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, I JUST DON'T THINK IF WE LEFT ALL THOSE THINGS ALONE THAT WE WOULD BE ON A COURSE TO CORRECTION.
I DESCRIBED MY AFFINITY FOR THAT CANAL.
BUT I REALLY DO SEE THAT LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL.
IT'S IT'S HARD TO BALANCE LIVING IN THIS ECOLOGY THAT WE DO, BUT WE HAVE TO FIND THE BALANCE AND PROACTIVE MEASURES LIKE THIS ALLOW US THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO. SO THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME BE HEARD, MADAM CHAIR.
SO THANK YOU. OH, I COULD HEAR YOUR SENTIMENT.
HOWEVER, I WOULD JUST WANT TO SAY AND FOR RESIDENTS, HERE IS OUR DEVELOPERS.
IF YOU LOOK TO OTHER CITIES, THEY HAVE MADE THE MISTAKES.
THEY HAVE MADE THE MISTAKES IN MIAMI.
THEY MADE THE MISTAKES IN ORLANDO.
HOW DO WHEN WHEN WHEN A DESIGN COMES, EVEN JUST A MOCKUP, IT SHOULD REFLECT THAT.
AND I THINK THAT WE CAN DO BETTER.
AND I SAY THAT TO DEVELOPERS, DON'T TRY TO DO WHAT WAS DONE IN THE OTHER CITIES.
WE HAVE A BLANK SLATE THAT WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE AN IMPROVEMENT TO.
SO WHEN WE SEE THIS, YOU SHOULD HAVE ALREADY COME AND SAID, LOOK, LOOK AT THESE PICTURES, WE'RE GOING TO PRESERVE THIS AND THIS IS HOW WE HAVE DEVELOPED AND BUILD TO MAKE OUR IDEAS, TO MAKE SURE THIS IS PRESERVED.
WE SHOULDN'T BE MAKING THAT CHOICE.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, TO TO OUR BOARD AND EVERYTHING AND I'M GLAD THE NEXT ITEM IS COMING UP WITH A MORATORIUM, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO START LOOKING IN PLACE AND CHALLENGE OUR DEVELOPERS WHEN IT COMES TO OUR CITY, BUILD WITH OUR ENVIRONMENT IN MIND.
WE DON'T WANT TO BE THE OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE FAILED.
I'LL BE THE FIRST TO SAY THE BAYFRONT DOESN'T NEED A LOT OF WORK.
THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD PROJECTS THAT CAN COME TO THE BAYFRONT.
NOT EVERY DEVELOPER WILL WANT TO COME IN AND AND DO THESE KIND OF PROJECTS.
SO WE RUN INTO THESE TYPE OF ISSUES THAT WE'VE THAT WE'RE FACED WITH ON THE BOARD.
DRIVE DOWN U.S.. WANT TO SEE THIS? IT'S NICE. HOWEVER, ONE OF THE FIRST QUESTIONS I REMEMBER ASKING WAS, WAS THERE A TRAFFIC STUDY DONE? HOW IS THAT GOING TO IMPACT? SO THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT WE ALSO HAVE TO WRESTLE WITH UP HERE AS TO WHAT HAS THE DEVELOPER CHOSE TO DO.
IS IT JUST GOING TO BE ANOTHER PROJECT WHERE WE CHANGE THE ZONING AND NOW WE'RE STUCK WITH SOMETHING THAT'S JUST GOING TO BE OUT THERE? AND ONCE AGAIN, HERE WE ARE AGAIN UP HERE MAKING ANOTHER DECISION.
THAT WAS A BAD DECISION IN THE LONG RUN.
WE TABLE IT WE TABLE IT FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS BECAUSE WE TABLE IT GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO GO BACK AND REVISIT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THE AUDIENCE DID HAVE A HAVE HAVE ISSUES WITH THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN MY CONCERN.
THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE THING THAT I WOULD I THINK I WOULD HAVE DONE.
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RIGHT. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? A MOTION TO APPROVE CPC 32 2022.SECOND. MOTION IN A SECOND BY MR. BURMA. ALL IN FAVOR.
GARAGE. IN THIS CASE, MISS RAMOS.
THIS IS A 0.23 ACRE LOT AND THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED EAST OF AN ADJACENT TO BROWNING AVENUE, NORTHEAST IN THE VICINITY NORTH OF MALABAR ROAD.
NORTHEAST. THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE IS COMMERCIAL.
CP 33 2022 MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF A FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT REQUEST AND STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT, HENRY WARREN, IS ALSO AVAILABLE.
I THOUGHT THERE WAS A PICTURE UP THERE AND I DON'T SEE IT NOW.
WERE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR.
YEAH. THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ANOTHER PICTURE THAT MR. MURRIN HAD REQUESTED IN THE POWERPOINT.
SPORT. HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? FOR. HELLO.
I LIVE AT 1090 MANDARIN DRIVE.
I'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THAT.
IT WAS AN ADMINISTRATIVE REZONING.
MALABAR ROAD HAD JUST BECOME FOR LAND.
AND AT THAT TIME, DAVID WATKINS, DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, AND I WORKED TOGETHER TO SEE WHAT COULD BE DONE ON THAT STRETCH OF ROAD FOR COMMERCIAL USES.
AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW IS JUST THE STRETCH ACROSS FROM CITY HALL, FROM MINTON ROAD.
TAKE TO THE ICE CREAM SHOP NOW.
THE FLORIDA I ASSOCIATES THAT'S THERE IS THERE BECAUSE I OWNED ALL FIVE OF THOSE LOTS AND I HAD BOUGHT THEM IN ADVANCE BACK WHEN I WAS INVOLVED WITH THE WINN-DIXIE SHOPPING CENTER.
SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE FLORIDA ASSOCIATES.
I SOLD BREWSTER'S THEIR LOCATION ALSO.
NOW, IF YOU IF YOU TAKE A LOOK ALL THE WAY ON THE LEFT AT THE WHITE ROOFTOP.
THAT IS FLORIDA ISO SHIPS NOW JUST TO THE EAST OF IT WHERE ALL THOSE TREES ARE.
THAT IS A SEVEN LOT COMBINATION THAT I OWN WITH MY BROTHERS.
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SO THAT IS A DEVELOPMENTAL SITE THAT WE WANT TO SELL AND WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO SELL IT.NOW, IF YOU MOVE OVER TOWARDS THE ICE CREAM SHOP.
YOU WILL SEE THAT IT IS ON TWO LOTS.
NOW, JUST TO THE RIGHT, THAT ICE CREAM SHOP ON CHESTNUT, YOU'LL SEE THREE VACANT LOTS.
WE OWN THOSE AND WE WANT TO PUT A FAST FOOD THERE ALSO.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY OUTLINED IN RED HAS TWO HOUSES IN FRONT OF IT.
THE HOUSE NEXT TO MY LOT HAS BEEN TOTALLY RENOVATED TO RESIDENTIAL.
I JUST DON'T SEE WITH ALL OF MY 40 YEARS EXPERIENCE IN PALM BAY, THAT PARTICULAR LITTLE STRETCH BEING USED AS A COMMERCIAL NUT WITH THE OTHER STUFF I HAVE TO SELL.
NOW, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT MY RED OUTLINE JUST TO THE LEFT OF IT.
SO THAT'S 250 FOOT OF FRONTAGE, 250 FOOT DEEP.
WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING COMMERCIAL ON THAT.
SO RIGHT NOW I HAVE A PRETTY GOOD INVENTORY ON THAT SIDE OF MALABAR ROAD FOR OFFICES, FAST FOOD AND SO FORTH.
SO. I AM WANTING TO PULL THAT ONE SINGLE LOT OUT OF THE RC ZONING.
WHICH WAS THE ORIGINAL RESIDENTIAL ZONING.
IT DOING THAT WILL NOT HAVE ANY NEGATIVE IMPACT WHATSOEVER.
TO THE CITY OR TO THE NEIGHBORS, ETC..
WE'VE GOT A GOOD INVENTORY JUST ON THAT STRETCH AND WE'VE BEEN RELATIVELY SUCCESSFUL.
SIR. DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? SEEING NONE. WELL.
THANK YOU. SO, SIR, I SEE YOUR YOUR GRAND MASTER PLAN AND NOT TO GET AHEAD OF MYSELF, BUT I SEE THE OTHER ITEM AND HOW IT GOES ALONG WITH EVERYTHING YOU JUST DESCRIBED. AND I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA.
THIS IS THIS IS MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO MY ONLY THOUGHT AND WONDER ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR LOT THAT THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS BREWSTER'S IS AT THE POINT NOW THAT THEY THEY ARE BEYOND THE CAPACITY THAT THAT LAW CAN HANDLE IT PRIME TIME.
WHEN THAT'S FULL, THE TRAFFIC CONTINUES TO FLOW.
IS THERE ANY WAY THAT THIS LOCK COULD BE USEFUL TO THEM IN SOME SORT OF FUTURE STATE TO HELP THEM WITH THEIR GROWTH ISSUES? IS THERE ANY SORT OF CONTINUITY THAT COULD MAYBE HELP THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE HAVING GROWTH ISSUES? RANDALL. I DON'T HAVE A REALLY GOOD HEARING.
IS THERE ANY CHANCE THAT THIS LAW COULD ONE DAY BE USEFUL TO BREWSTER'S TO THE POINT THAT THEY WOULD HAVE AN APPETITE TO BUY IT FROM YOU AND USE IT TO RELIEVE SOME OF THEIR BIG TRAFFIC PROBLEM IF A TRAFFIC PROBLEM.
I THINK THAT'S AN ASTUTE OBSERVATION THAT YOU'VE MADE.
I'VE BEEN TRYING TO SELL IT TO BREWSTER'S FOR THE LAST SEVEN YEARS.
BUT THAT WOULD BE A GOOD POINT.
I'D EVEN GONE SO FAR AS THE GUY THAT HAS THE HOUSE ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
IF HE GAVE UP FIVE FEET, YOU COULD HAVE A WALKWAY.
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BUT. BREWSTER'S PUTS ALL THEIR PARKING ON MY OTHER PROPERTY.SO THERE WILL BE A DAY WHEN THEY WON'T HAVE PARKING, BUT THEY'VE HAD THEIR CHANCE.
MM HMM. I APPRECIATE THAT ANSWER, BECAUSE, FRANKLY, I'VE ALWAYS WONDERED IF YOU WERE KIND OF OKAY WITH THAT BECAUSE YOU HAVE A FOR SALE SIGN NEXT TO TENS TWENTIES CARS. SURE, IT GETS EXPOSURE, BUT YOU DON'T NEED THAT.
YOU GET THAT FROM THE TRAFFIC.
BUT I'VE ALWAYS LOOKED FOR A SOLUTION.
THESE THESE LOTS IN QUESTION ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT I'VE SEEN.
SO THAT'S WHAT PIQUED MY INTEREST HERE.
BUT I DO APPRECIATE YOU SHARING WITH ME THAT YOU TWO HAVE EXPLORED SAID POSSIBILITY.
SO THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME, SIR.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? SAYING. THANK YOU, SIR.
OR IS IT NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS? IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST? WHEN OPPOSED.
MR. BRENNAN. BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST.
THIS IS ANOTHER GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHERE WE START CHANGING ZONING.
AND I UNDERSTAND THE MAN IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
THEY START THEY CHANGE THE ZONING.
THAT'S WHY I FEEL SO SORRY FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE RIGHT NEXT TO BREWSTER'S, BECAUSE THAT WAS THEIR HOME FOR YEARS BEFORE BREWSTER'S CAME IN AND THEY SAID, OH, WELL, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE NOW GOING TO MAKE IT OUR COMMERCIAL SITE.
THERE'S ALREADY RESIDENTS THAT ARE DEEPLY IMPACTED.
SO WHY DO WE WANT TO BRING AND PUT ANOTHER RESIDENT RIGHT NEXT TO THE PROBLEM? THERE'S NO PLACE FOR THE BUSINESS TO OPERATE NOW.
WHY MAKE THAT A RESIDENCE? IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE BY THE BATON STANDARD.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND? QUITE HONESTLY, I COULDN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE POINT HE WAS TRYING TO MAKE.
BUT I WILL SAY THAT WHEN THE R.C.
CODE WAS CREATED, THERE WAS AT LEAST THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE WORKSHOPS THAT WE ALL ATTENDED AND ALL OF THE ALL OF THE HOMEOWNERS HAD BEEN GIVEN NOTICE.
SO THE HOUSE THAT IS BEHIND BREWSTER'S.
NO. THE PERSON THAT OWNS THAT HOUSE NOW JUST BOUGHT IT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
SO IT ALMOST BECOMES A QUESTION OF WHY WOULD YOU BUY A HOUSE BEHIND BREWSTER'S? BUT I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE POINT MR. BATTEN MADE, WHETHER HE WAS.
I'M BAFFLED. OF COURSE, MY HEARING'S NOT THAT GOOD.
SIR. OR IS NOW CLOSED FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS AND IT'S BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD.
OR DO I HAVE EMOTION? IN A MOTION TO APPROVE CP 33 2022.
IN IN THE SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR.
FROM. SO THIS IS CPC 33, 2022 AND MR. MURRIN IS ALSO THE APPLICANT.
THIS IS FOR THE SAME PROPERTY EAST OF AN ADJACENT TO BROWNING AVENUE, NORTHEAST IN THE VICINITY NORTH OF MALABAR ROAD IS CURRENTLY ZONED RESTRICTED COMMERCIAL AND HE IS REQUESTING TO CHANGE IT TO RS TO SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL AND STAFF.
FINDS THAT IT MEETS THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR THE ZONING REQUEST.
CERAMIC. QUESTIONS FOR THE FOUR STAFF.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK? OK. IT'D BE A DIFFERENT MAN.
THEY WERE ON THE SECOND CASE FOR THE SAME PIECE OF PROPERTY.
THERE YOU GO. HOW THIS IS THE SAME SITUATION RIGHT HERE.
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THIS IS A ZONING ON THE 000 MISTAKE.IT'S BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD.
AGAIN, YOU KNOW, BRUCE HAS HAD EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO PURCHASE THIS PROPERTY.
THEY THEY DON'T THEY HAVEN'T BOUGHT IT.
SO, YOU KNOW, A MOTION TO APPROVE CPC 33 2022.
ALEX, WOULD YOU LIKE TO? I WANTED TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO INTRODUCE TO YOU OUR NEW STAFF MEMBER AND WHY SAMATA HAS BEEN WITH US FOR HOW LONG? TWO MONTHS NOW. AND SO THIS WILL BE HER FIRST CASE THAT SHE'LL BE PRESENTING BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE ARE WE ARE FULLY PLANNED UP NOW AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
SO. YES, AND WE ARE HAPPY HERE.
THANK YOU. SO MY NAME IS OMAR, SIR.
MR.. I AM THE NEW SENIOR PLANNER HERE.
I WILL BE PRESENTING CP 30 FOR 2022.
THE OWNER THE APPLICANT IS JOHN AND SHELLY.
MAUREEN HENRY WILL BE REPRESENTING THE CASE FOR THEM.
THE LOCATION OF THE SUBJECT AREA IS ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF MALABAR ROAD BETWEEN MINTON ROAD AND ELDON DRIVE BOULEVARD. THE SIZE OF THE LOT IS 4.46 ACRE FUTURE.
LAND USE IS COMMERCIAL AND THE REQUEST IS A SMALL SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT FOUR FROM COMMERCIAL TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.
THE RECOMMENDATION IS CASE C P 30 FOR 2022.
MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT OF A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT REQUEST.
THE STAFF IS HERE TO FOR ANY QUESTION AND HENRY WILL BE REPRESENTING JOHN.
THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
ARE THESE TWO DISTINCT LOTS? THESE ARE SEPARATE LOTS.
THESE AREN'T MARRIED TOGETHER.
THESE ARE TWO DIFFERENT LOTS NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
WHEN? WHEN THE CITY SAYS THAT THESE ARE ADMINISTRATIVELY.
WRITTEN IN. WHAT EXACTLY DO THAT MEAN? NOT ME. SO DID THE MR. MORON AT SOME POINT.
TAKE HIS PROPERTY AND ASKED TO HAVE IT CHANGED FROM RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL? OR DID THE CITY JUST COME UP AND SAY, HEY, WE NEED THAT STRIP OF LAND FOR THE COMMERCIAL PIECE? AND SO NOW HE'S WANTING TO SEND IT BACK TO.
RESIDENT TO SINGLE FAMILY FROM THE COMMERCIAL, OR IS IT THEN DO HE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK AND THREE MONTHS WHEN THOSE PLANS FAIL OR DO NOT GO THROUGH AND CHANGE IT BACK TO COMMERCIAL? MY END. HOW WOULD THAT WORK? MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE RESTRICTED COMMERCIAL WHEN IN PLACE SOME YEARS AGO AND JUST LIKE HE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE BREWSTER'S AND SO NOW HE'S LOOKING TO GO BACK TO RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS WHAT IT ORIGINALLY WAS DURING THE GDC ERA, IF YOU WILL.
SO. I MEAN, HE HAS A RIGHT TO REQUEST ANYTHING FOR HIS PROPERTY IF IT MEETS THE LIMITS OF THE CODE.
SO SO WE'RE THERE NOW TO THE THIRD PART TO THAT QUESTION.
SO WE'RE THERE. SO IS THERE A POSSIBILITY OF ANOTHER CHANGE? COM TO BRING IT BACK TO COMMERCIAL.
HE WANTED TO. SO, YES, THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR THAT TYPE OF CHANGE.
THE UP FRONT PASSES, AS MR. MOORE AND I POINTED OUT, ARE MORE CONDUCIVE FOR THE ARTERIAL ROAD ACCESS POINTS WHERE THESE ARE GOING TO TRAVEL OVER LOCAL ROADS IF THEY WERE TO BE ESTABLISHED LATER ON POTENTIALLY UNLESS THE PASSES WERE AGGLOMERATED TOGETHER.
SO WITH THAT, THAT'S THE MAIN PREMISE OF WHY I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY GO BACK TO COMMERCIAL.
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IN 2023.WE'RE JUST EXPLORING THE IDEA, RIGHT? AND TO STOP AGAIN. BARRAGE OF QUESTION FOR STAFF.
ARE YOU ABLE TO OR MAYBE THIS IS THE APPLICANT TO EXPLAIN WHAT'S IN FRONT OF THESE ARE THESE HOUSES OR THESE ARE ACTUAL COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES IN FRONT? THE RC ZONING WAS AN EXPERIMENT.
BY THE CITY TO TRY TO GET COMMERCIAL ALONG MALABAR ROAD.
ONE OF THE MOST DIFFICULT ASPECTS OF IT WAS WHERE TO DRAW THE BOUNDARY LINES.
NOW OVER WITH FLORIDA, I ASSOCIATE SAYS, AND NEXT TO IT IT WAS RELATIVELY SIMPLE.
YOU HAD THE STREET IN THE BACK AND YOU HAD MOST OF THOSE LOTS WERE VACANT.
THE PIECE, THE THREE LOTS THAT ARE ON THE EAST SIDE OF BREWSTER'S WAS ALSO SIMPLE BECAUSE WE OWN THAT AT THE TIME, SO IT WAS A MATTER OF DRAWING A STRAIGHT LINE ACROSS.
DAVID WANTED TO HAVE A STRAIGHT BOARDER, DIDN'T WANT IT GOING LIKE THIS.
NOW, BACK IN THOSE DAYS, HOUSES WERE CHEAPER THAN THE LAND IF IT BEEN ZONED COMMERCIAL.
THE ONE BEHIND IT, IT'S THEIR BACK TO BACK.
THERE ARE FOUR HOUSES SEPARATING THESE TWO VACANT LOTS FROM MALABAR ROAD.
THE TWO HOUSES THAT ARE DIRECTLY ON MALABAR ROAD WERE COMPLETELY RENOVATED SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE SOLD FOR LIKE 65,000 RENOVATED AND NOW THEY'RE LIKE OVER 200,000.
SO I JUST DON'T SEE HOW IT'S GOING TO BE POSSIBLE IN ANY OF OUR LIFETIMES THAT SOMEBODY IS GOING TO BUY THOSE FOUR HOUSES AND THE TWO LOTS IN THE BACK AND BUILD SOMETHING.
NOW, IF SOMETHING WHAT IS LEFT STILL TWO LOTS DEEP IS 170 FEET DEEP.
THAT'S THE SAME DEPTH AS A BREWSTER'S THAT'S DEEPER THAN THE MEDIFAST THAT'S COMING UP.
MEDIFAST IS ONLY ON ABOUT 125 FOOT OF DEPTH.
SO PULLING PULL PULLING THESE TWO LOTS OUT OF THE RC ZONING DOES NOT REALLY.
A MATTER OF FACT, THERE CAN BE A SILVER LINING IN THAT.
THE SMALLER THE COMMERCIAL SITE IS.
AND YOU'RE GOING TO PUT A SMALLER BUILDING THERE.
IF YOU'RE A BUSINESSMAN AND YOU WANT TO GET AN SBA LOAN, WHICH IS THE BEST KIND OF LOAN YOU CAN GET.
YOU HAVE TO OCCUPY AT LEAST 60% OF THAT BUILDING.
SO IF YOU JUST HAVE THE FOUR LOTS LEFT AND ON EACH SIDE, YOU CAN PUT A BUILDING, YOU'VE CREATED A NEW PRODUCT.
I'M SURE ALL OF YOU HAVE SEEN THE LITTLE INSURANCE BUILDING THAT'S ACROSS THE STREET.
I'D LIKE TO PULL THESE TWO OUT.
OR IS OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
DOES ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST? AGAINST. BUT BACK TO THE BOARD BOARD OF EMOTION.
OKAY. YEAH, THESE TWO LOTS OBVIOUSLY DON'T HAVE FRONTAGE ON MALABAR ROAD.
SO IT MAKES NO SENSE TO HAVE THESE KEEP THESE AS A RESTRICTED COMMERCIAL.
SO A MOTION TO APPROVE CP 34 2022.
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ALL IN FAVOR.I OPPOSE. 6 TO 1 IN FAVOR THE COMPANION CASE.
I'M PRESENTING THE CASE CPC 34 2022 AND THE OWNER APPLICANT IS JOHN AND SHIRLEY.
MAUREEN HENRY MAUREEN WILL BE REPRESENTING THEM.
THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY IS ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF MALABAR ROAD AND ELGIN BOULEVARD.
THE SIZE OF THE LOT IS POINT THREE, .23.
THAT IS 0.46 ACRES ALTOGETHER.
FUTURE LAND USES COMMERCIAL ZONING RIGHT NOW IS RESTRICTED COMMERCIAL AND THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT IS TO REZONE THE RESTRICTED COMMERCIAL TO ADDRESS TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENT RECOMMENDATION BY THE STAFF IS THE CASE CPC 34 2020 TO MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT OF REASON, REZONING, REQUEST AND STAFF IS HERE FOR ANY QUESTION AND JOHN HENRY IS ALSO HERE. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, IT IS WORTH HAVING ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST? HENCE THIS REQUEST.
SEEING THAT WILL BE BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD.
MOTION TO APPROVE CPC 34 2022.
MOTION SICKENED BY MISS MIRAGE.
POSE. AND I'LL JUST MAKE A I JUST WANT TO MAKE A POINT.
I THINK MR. BATTEN KIND OF HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD IS IS THAT I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE FLIP FLOP IN SOME OF THESE THESE ZONING, YOU KNOW, IT'S ZONED COMMERCIAL AND THEN WE CHANGE TO RESIDENTIAL AND THEN WE CHANGE IT BACK AND ESPECIALLY WHEN WE JUST SEEM TO DO THIS IN CERTAIN AREAS.
SO I JUST WANT THAT FOR THE RECORD.
THE OWNER IS BENJAMIN JEFFRIES OF WATERSTONE HOLDINGS LLC AND IS REPRESENTED BY JAKE WISE.
IT IS 38.3 ACRES AND CURRENTLY HAS A FEATURE LAND USE OF COMMERCIAL.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A SMALL SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT FROM COMMERCIAL TO MULTIFAMILY, RESIDENTIAL AND STAFF FINDS THAT CASE.
SEP 31, 2022 MEETS THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT REQUEST.
STAFF IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, AND THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE IS ALSO HERE.
OR HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
BEING DONE WITH THE APPLICANT.
THIS ITEM AND THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM ARE DIRECTLY RELATED.
THIS ITEM IS ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT APPLICATION.
SO WE WILL ONLY HAVE ONE PRESENTATION FOR THE BOARD AND ONE TO INTRODUCE THAT.
WE HAVE OUR ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT TEAM HERE.
WE HAVE THE BUYERS FOR THE PROPERTY WHO THEY'LL INTRODUCE THEMSELVES IN JUST A MINUTE.
BUT THEY'RE AN EXPERIENCED GROUP FROM OUTSIDE THE AREA DOING JUST THESE TYPES OF MULTI USE PROJECTS.
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AND IS A PLANNER BY TRADE AND OF COURSE HAS BEEN PRACTICING ALL THOSE YEARS AS WELL.SO WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE AND WE THINK WE ARE GOING TO KIND OF WALK YOU THROUGH THE HISTORY OF HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE DID TODAY, GIVE YOU SOME COMPARISONS TO OTHER NEARBY PALM BAY PROJECTS.
AND I'M JUST GOING TO GIVE YOU A GENERAL PRESENTATION OF WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR ALL NIGHT.
YOU APPROVED FROM THE EXACT SAME TEAM AN ADDITIONAL SIX AND ONE HALF, ALMOST ACRES OF COMMERCIAL.
WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR TODAY IS TO REDUCE THE COMMERCIAL, BUT THAT IS TO MAKE THE REMAINING COMMERCIAL, WHICH YOU'LL SEE THERE'S AMPLE STILL AVAILABLE, VIABLE AND MUCH, MUCH MORE SUCCESSFUL IN THEIR EXPERIENCE AND OUR EXPERIENCE.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE NAME OF THE PROJECT IS THE GROVE AT PALM BAY.
AND THIS IS A PICTURE OF ALL OF WATERSTONE AND CYPRESS BAY.
IT'S MOSTLY SINGLE FAMILY WITH COMMERCIAL.
AND THAT'S HOW THIS PROJECT WAS ENVISIONED.
THIS SITE, AS YOU SEE IN THE PEACH PLUS A LITTLE BIT MORE, HAS 159 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL.
IT HAS 2000 SINGLE 2700 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
AND AS IF YOU'VE BEEN OUT THERE, YOU'LL SEE THEY'RE GOING UP FAST AND FURIOUS.
WELL, WE HAVE PUBLIX COMING, BUT IN TRYING TO GET OTHER INTERESTED COMMERCIAL COMMERCIAL TYPES OF USES LIKE YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT BEFORE.
WHAT'S IT GOING TO LOOK LIKE? WE'RE HAVING TROUBLE MAKING IT WORK BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE ECONOMY HAS CHANGED SINCE THE EARLY 2000, SINCE THIS PROJECT WAS FIRST EVOLVED.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE, WHEN THIS PROJECT WASN'T CONTEMPLATED, EMERALD LAKES DIRECTLY TO THE EAST OF US, WHICH IS 1600 ACRES OF DEVELOPMENT, ALMOST TWO AND ONE HALF MILLION SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL.
THAT'S YOUR PRIME TIME BEST, MOST EXPOSED AREA BECAUSE OF IT'S ON ALL FOUR QUADRANTS OF I-95.
THE AREA THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS VERY DEEP COMMERCIAL LOTS.
WE WERE DOING YOUR HOME DEPOTS, AND THAT WAS THE ENVIRONMENT HERE.
WE'RE NOT DOING THOSE TYPES OF DEEP COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS.
AND SO WHAT OUR PROPOSAL WOULD BE IS TO TAKE THAT ZERO MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS THAT IS SHOWN OVER THE 1200 ACRES AND BRING IN A MARKET RATE APARTMENT COMPLEX.
AND I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN HEARING A LOT ABOUT MULTIFAMILY AND MARKET RATE APARTMENTS.
AND SO THIS IS OUR PROPOSED SITE PLAN.
THERE WE GO. IF WE GO BACK ONE, I'LL JUST WALK OVER FOR A MINUTE.
SERIOUSLY. SO NOW IT'S TURNED.
SO NORTH IS THIS DIRECTION HERE.
SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS 38 ACRES TO CHANGE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO ALLOW FOR THE MULTIFAMILY IT PROVIDES A TRANSITIONAL AREA.
BETWEEN THE SINGLE FAMILY WHICH IS ALL UNDER DEVELOPMENT COURTYARDS IS COMPLETED.
CONSTRUCTION CYPRESS BAY WEST PHASE TWO IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
THE EXTENSION OF THE PARKWAY IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
IT PROVIDES A TRANSITIONAL AREA BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL AND THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
WE HAVE LARGE STORMWATER PONDS.
WE THINK A WALKABLE COMMUNITY LIKE THIS WILL GET THE COMMERCIAL HERE, COMMERCIAL HERE AND THE REST OF THE COMMERCIAL IN THE AREA, AND THAT'S THE FEEDBACK WE'RE GETTING FROM THE COMMERCIAL USERS.
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ZONING. SO WHEN I SAY DOWN ZONING RIGHT NOW, IT'S COMMERCIAL.IF IT COULD EVEN BE DEVELOPED IN THE FEEDBACK WE'RE GETTING IS THAT THERE'S NOT INTEREST BECAUSE OF THE ITEMS I SAID BEFORE, BUT IF IT WAS DEVELOPED AS COMMERCIAL, IT WOULD BE A MUCH MORE INTENSE USE.
RIGHT NOW WE'VE MASTER PERMITTED THIS SITE FOR STORMWATER TO BE 75% IMPERVIOUS.
TO MAKE IT A NICER, GREENER DEVELOPMENT WITH A LOT OF AMENITIES IS ONLY ABOUT 50%.
THE TRAFFIC REDUCTION IS SIGNIFICANT.
WE HAVE A SLIDE THAT IDENTIFIES THAT.
IN THIS WAY, WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE COMMERCIAL BACKING UP TO THOSE SINGLE FAMILY LOTS.
AND THEN ALSO ACCESS DIRECTLY TO THE EXTENSION OF THE ST JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY.
THE PROPOSAL IS FOR A TOTAL OF 760 MARKET RATE APARTMENTS.
AGAIN, WITH A LOT OF AMENITIES AND GREEN SPACE, THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST PROJECT HERE.
SO THE AGE RESTRICTED WOULD BE 148 UNITS, SO WE'D HAVE 612 TOTAL OF THE MARKET RATE.
WE DO ALREADY HAVE OUR SCHOOL CONCURRENCY APPROVED BY THE COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD AND WE HAD WHAT I WOULD SAY IS ONE OF THE MOST FASCINATING NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS I'VE EVER BEEN TO.
YOU GUYS KNOW FOR A LONG TIME.
THE NEIGHBORS HAVE GOTTEN TO KNOW ME REALLY WELL.
WE HAD PROBABLY CLOSE TO 30 PEOPLE COME TOGETHER.
IT WAS THE BEST BACK AND FORTH Q&A TO SHOW HOW THESE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS REALLY WORK.
WE DIDN'T HAVE REALLY MUCH OPPOSITION AT ALL.
WE HAD MOSTLY JUST QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW CAN WE GET THE COMMERCIAL TO BE SUCCESSFUL, HOW CAN WE GET THE RESTAURANTS HERE? ALL THE THINGS WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT EARLIER WITH OUR AGENDA ITEM ON THE SIX AND A HALF ACRES.
THEY WERE WANTING THE MEDICAL THAT WE'D TALKED ABOUT EARLIER TODAY, TOO.
AND SO WE WERE GETTING A VERY, VERY POSITIVE FEEDBACK.
AND TYPICALLY WE GET THE I DON'T WANT ANYTHING IN MY BACK YARD, BUT WE WEREN'T GETTING THAT AT ALL.
SO IT WAS A VERY PRODUCTIVE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING AND REALLY KUDOS TO TO THEM FOR TAKING THE TIME OUT OF THEIR NIGHT TO COME OUT THERE, BUT ALSO TO HAVE SUCH GOOD QUESTIONS ON THE ON THE FEEDBACK BACK AND FORTH.
JUST JUMPING REAL QUICKLY TO THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN, WHICH IS THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM FOR THE PDP.
SO THAT BEING SAID, I WAS GOING TO INVITE THE ALL TO COME UP.
HE IS ONE OF THE DEVELOPERS FOR THE PROJECT TEAM.
HELLO. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS VISHAL GUPTA.
I'M THE CEO FOR THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM CALLED KAMIYA.
WE'RE OUT OF ORLANDO, FLORIDA.
WE BUILD IN ORLANDO AND TAMPA.
THIS WOULD BE OUR FIRST PROJECT ON THE EAST COAST OF FLORIDA.
SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO BE HERE.
WE'VE DONE MANY PROJECTS, ESPECIALLY MIXED USE PROJECTS IN CENTRAL FLORIDA JUST LIKE THIS.
SO WE'RE VERY EXPERIENCED IN THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.
ON THE SCREEN ARE A COUPLE OF PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE UNDER DEVELOPMENT, IN FACT.
THE ONE THE TWO PICTURES ON THE TOP ARE THE SAME PROJECT.
IT'S A IT'S A 55 PLUS AGE RESTRICTED COMMUNITY IN ORLANDO, JUST, IN FACT, OPENED UP THIS WEEK.
AND IT'S VERY POPULAR AMONG THAT DEMOGRAPHIC.
AND THIS IS SOMETHING WHERE WE ENVISION HERE IN PALM BAY AS WELL.
WE'VE WE BELIEVE THAT THERE'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY IN PALM BAY AND WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THIS NEW REGION OF GROWTH OF THE COUNTY AND LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THE CITY ON THIS GREAT PROJECT.
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GOOD EVENING. I KNOW Y'ALL BEEN HERE A WHILE.AS JAKE SAID, I'VE SPENT 42 YEARS IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT IN BREVARD COUNTY.
I'VE SEEN A LOT OF THE CHANGES WE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT.
I WON'T REPEAT THE THINGS THAT HE HAS INDICATED, BUT I DO WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THAT THE TEAM HAS LOOKED AT WHY WOULD WE DO THIS? WHAT IS THE PURPOSE TO TAKE THIS? AND I THINK THERE ARE SEVERAL THINGS.
THE ECONOMIC TRENDS OBVIOUSLY HAVE CHANGED.
WE WANT TO CREATE A SUCCESSFUL, SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITY.
NOBODY KNEW THAT THERE WERE GOING TO BE CHANGES IN THE WORLD THAT WERE AFFECTED BY AMAZON.
YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD.
I HAVE NEIGHBORS IN IT'S CONSTANTLY THEY'RE GETTING DELIVERED, DELIVERED.
SO THERE'S BEEN A CHANGE WITH AMAZON WITH ALL OF THE DELIVERIES.
COVID CHANGED THINGS WITH PEOPLE WORKING FROM HOME.
SO THERE'S EXCESS COMMERCIAL SUPPLY WHEN YOU LOOK THROUGHOUT PALM BAY.
BAYSIDE LAKE STILL HAS 42% OF THEIR PROPERTY UP UNDEVELOPED.
WATERSTONE IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT AND EMERALD LAKES AND AS YOU CAN SEE THEY APPROVE SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR EMERALD LAKES IS QUITE SIGNIFICANT ALONG I 95.
ONE OTHER POINT I WANT TO MAKE HERE IS THAT WE ENVISION THE WATERSTONE AREA AS BEING MORE NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL AS OPPOSED TO THE INTERSTATE COMMERCIAL, THE LARGER BOXES AND THINGS THAT YOU WOULD SEE IN NORMAL LAKES BECAUSE OF THEIR PROXIMITY TO I-95.
AND THEY DO ACTUALLY ABUT THE EASTERN PROPERTY OF THIS PAD THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT.
GO AHEAD. SO JAKES SPOKE OF A TRANSITIONAL BUFFER.
AND NORMALLY IN ZONING THERE IS A STEP DOWN.
IN THIS CASE, IT WORKS OUT, IN MY OPINION, PERFECTLY.
AND THEN YOU GET TO YOUR COMMERCIAL.
YOU'LL NOTICE ON THE OTHER SIDE YOU HAVE AN EASEMENT.
BUT IN THAT CASE, IT'S THE COMMERCIAL.
WE ALSO DID SOME LOOKING FOR WHAT WE CALL SUSTAINABILITY, THE WATER STONE.
IF THIS IS APPROVED, WE WOULD HAVE 27.7.
27.7. RESIDENTIAL UNITS PER COMMERCIAL AREA VISTA WAS APPROVED AT 66.7 UNITS PER COMMERCIAL ACRE. BAYSIDE LAKES AND WATERSTONE ARE VERY CLOSE IN WHAT THEIR NUMBERS ARE 27.7 AND 29.5.
WHAT ARE BAYSIDE? LAKES STILL HAS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL THAT IS NOT DEVELOPED AT THIS POINT.
OKAY, JAKE. WE BELIEVE THIS WILL MEET IN NEED OF HOUSING SUPPLY.
WE WANTED TO EMPHASIZE THAT THIS HAS BEEN MARKET RATE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THE BUILDER THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
KAMIYA HAS BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL THROUGHOUT CENTRAL FLORIDA BUILDING THIS TYPE OF PRODUCT.
AND IF YOU LOOK AROUND AND WE'LL GET TO THAT.
YOU LOOK AT THE VACANCY RATES ARE VERY LOW WHEN IT COMES TO THIS AREA OF BREVARD COUNTY.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC. PREVIOUSLY.
THIS IS JUST A QUICK ANALYSIS OF THE EXISTING LAND USE VERSUS THE PROPOSED LAND USE FOR TRAFFIC.
I KNOW WE DON'T MAKE LAND USE DECISIONS BASED ON IMPACT FEES.
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HOWEVER, WE DID GO IN AND DO AN ANALYSIS TO SEE WHAT WE WOULD ACTUALLY BE CONTRIBUTING, AND THIS INCLUDES THE COMMERCIAL.WE BROKE IT DOWN BY THE THREE CATEGORIES THE MULTIFAMILY, THE ASSISTED LIVING, AND THEN THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL IMPACT FEES WOULD BE 11 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS, AND THAT IS ALL OF THEM.
THAT'S EVERYTHING. THAT'S NOT JUST POLICE OR FIRE OR UTILITIES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND IT'S NEARLY DOUBLE WHAT YOU WOULD GET FROM COMMERCIAL.
WE'VE LOOKED AT COMPARABLE COMMUNITIES AND AS I REFERRED TO JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO, VACANCY RATES ARE AT LIKE 2.9% IS WHAT OUR ANALYSIS HAS INDICATED AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO GLEAN FROM THE INFORMATION THAT IS AVAILABLE.
ALL THREE FOREIGN. WE HAD ACTUALLY HIRED HANK FISHKIN, WHO'S ONE OF THE LEADING ECONOMISTS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, TO DO THE ANALYSIS ON ON DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO GO TO MULTIFAMILY FROM COMMERCIAL? AND SINCE THERE'S A MINIMAL SUPPLY OF THIS TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL LIVING IN THE MARKET AREA, THEY'RE BEING ABSORBED VERY QUICKLY. THERE'S STRONG MARKET SUPPORT, AND WE'RE PROJECTING THAT THESE UNITS WOULD BE ABSORBED BY 2027 AND WE COULD BREAK GROUND AS SOON AS WE HAVE ALL OF OUR APPROVALS AND HAVE GONE THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCESS.
ONE OTHER ECONOMIC FACT OR IMPACT IS WE DID AN ANALYSIS OF THE TAX ABILITY OF THESE PROPERTIES AND LOOKING OVER BASICALLY A 25 YEAR PERIOD, WE'RE LOOKING AT MULTIFAMILY, WE GENERATE $70 MILLION AND COMMERCIAL WOULD BE MORE ALONG THE LINES OF 18 MILLION, AND THAT DEPENDS ON WHEN THINGS WOULD START.
I'M NOT GOING TO READ THIS TO YOU.
IT GENERATES HIGHER AGGREGATE SPENDING IN THE AREA THAT WILL SUPPORT COMMERCIAL.
IT WILL BE A HIGHER NET REVENUE TO THE CITY.
TO ADDRESS THOSE THINGS LIKE POLICE OFFICERS AND FIREFIGHTERS AND THINGS THAT ARE NEEDED.
THIS IS JUST TO LET YOU SEE WHERE THE COMMERCIAL IS RIGHT NOW AS A PART OF IT.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT IT IN THE AGGREGATE, IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF COMMERCIAL LAND OUT THERE, SOME THAT WILL BE GEARED TOWARDS, AGAIN, MORE OF THE LARGE BIG BOXES AND THEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL THAT EXISTS IN THE WATERSTONE AREA.
SO THE BENEFITS OF THE PROPOSAL ARE IT ADDRESSES SOMETHING THAT WE'VE ALL SEEN HAPPEN OVER THE LAST 3 TO 5 YEARS AND PARTICULARLY WAS HIGHLIGHTED AS A RESULT OF GOING THROUGH COVID.
NEXT TO THE COMMERCIAL, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CREATION OF A TRANSITIONAL BUFFER.
BUFFER USING STEP DOWN AND ZONING BETWEEN SINGLE FAMILY AND COMMERCIAL WILL GIVE YOU A MUCH BETTER ESTHETIC LOOK AS WELL AS MEETING THE THE NEEDS FOR NEW PRODUCTS IN THE PALM BAY AREA AND IT WILL GENERATE LESS TRAFFIC.
THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE WITH REGARD TO THAT.
BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
MR. FISHKIN IS STUDIES SPECIFIC TO THIS AREA AND BASED ON THE SUCCESS OF THIS DEVELOPMENT TEAM ON OTHER SIMILAR PROJECTS AND OTHER AREAS.
AND THEN JUST LOOKING AT WHAT WE SEE IS THE NEED FOR PALM BAY.
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IT IS WORTHY OF ANY QUESTIONS.THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. FIRST QUESTION FOR YOU, MR. WISE, IS WHEN YOU SHOWED ME THE PINK MAP EARLIER, THIS WASN'T COLORED PINK, RIGHT? SO MY MY. I DIDN'T SEE THIS.
AND NOW YOU'RE TAKING IT AWAY FROM ME.
AND YOUR LAST CASE WHEN WE WHEN YOU GOT ME SO EXCITED ABOUT ALL THE COMMERCIAL.
STILL THE SAME, RIGHT? SO, YEAH, WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER TONIGHT IS DOWN HERE WITH THE SIX AND A HALF ACRES AND THEN YOU CAN SEE ALL OF THIS COMMERCIAL STILL REMAINS.
AND THIS YOU SEE HOW DEEP THE CURRENT COMMERCIAL IS HERE.
WE'RE JUST NOT ABLE TO SUCCESSFULLY DEVELOP THAT COMMERCIALLY AT THIS TIME.
SO CONVERSATIONALLY AND IN YOUR CASE EARLIER THIS EVENING, ALL THAT WAS PINK.
NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE GREEN.
YOU WANTED TO REDUCE THE DEPTH OF THE LOTS, TO CHANGE THE FLAVOR.
AND I HEARD WHAT FLAVOR FIT? WHAT FLAVOR WOULD FIT.
NOW, WHAT WHAT'S GOING TO COME INTO THESE THESE REDUCED COMMERCIAL ENTITIES? BECAUSE I HEARD YOU MENTION CONVERSATIONALLY, THE RESIDENTS ARE INTERESTED IN RESTAURANTS.
IS THAT WHAT IT GETS BOILED DOWN TO? WHAT KIND OF FLAVOR IS IT? YEAH, IT'S A MIX OF WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.
RESTAURANTS IS WHAT WE HEAR THE MOST FROM THE RESIDENTS.
SO WE WANT TO PUT THEM UP FRONT WHERE WE HAVE WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, 760 NEW UNITS THAT CAN JUST WALK UP TO THESE RESTAURANTS.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE GETTING THE FEEDBACK THAT THAT WOULD BE THE MOST SUCCESSFUL.
THE DEEP COMMERCIAL LOTS JUST AREN'T WHAT THEY USED TO BE.
THE BIG BOXES, THINGS LIKE THAT JUST TYPICALLY DON'T GO INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL AREAS.
AND AGAIN AT THE TIME THIS ALL WAS DEVELOPED WAS A DIFFERENT TIME AND EMERALD LAKES WASN'T HERE.
AND ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU IS YOUR ASSOCIATE MENTIONED ALLUDED TO ASSISTED LIVING.
YOU WERE REFERRING TO 55 PLUS.
BIG DIFFERENCE. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY ON HERE, TOO.
YES. SO ASSISTED LIVING IS CONSIDERED COMMERCIAL.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT IF OUR PROJECT IS SUCCESSFUL, YOU WOULD HAVE THE MARKET RATE APARTMENTS HERE.
IT'S A STRANGE TRIANGULAR SHAPE BECAUSE THE EASEMENT.
SO WE WERE LOOKING FOR A VERY ATTRACTIVE COMMERCIAL TYPE OF USE THAT COULD GO UP IN THAT UNIQUE PARCEL WITH THAT SHAPE. AND SO WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE THE AGE RESTRICTED BE ABLE TO ULTIMATELY MOVE INTO THE ASSISTED LIVING JUST TO THE NORTH.
UNDERSTOOD. FINAL QUESTION FOR YOU, IS YOUR OTHER ASSOCIATE SHOWED US SOME SOME FANCY RENDERINGS.
ONE OF THEM, THE BIG TALL BUILDING, HAD SOLAR PANELS ON IT.
IS THAT SOME SORT OF TEASE? ARE YOU GOING TO USE SOLAR PANELS ON THIS PROJECT? WE HAVEN'T GOT THAT FAR YET.
WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR THE LAND USE AND THE PDB APPROVED.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
YEAH. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT EARLY IN THIS PRESENTATION? THAT WASN'T SOLAR PANELS.
I THINK IT WAS JUST MAYBE A ROOF DIFFERENTIATION.
IT PROBABLY WAS, BUT THEY WERE NOT SOLAR PANELS.
I ALSO WANT TO MENTION ONE THING YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT USE.
WE WE HAVE NOT LOCKED ANY USERS YET INTO THE SITE.
THEY'RE WAITING FOR A LOT OF THE ENTITLEMENTS TO COME IN BASED ON WHAT WE'RE HAVING MEETING TODAY.
SO THERE'S RESTAURANTS, OF COURSE.
BUT WE ALSO ARE TALKING TO A CHARTER SCHOOL, FOR EXAMPLE, BECAUSE THEY SEE THE GROWTH IN THE AREA.
BUT JUST LIKE JAKE SAID, RESTAURANTS NEED FRONTAGE SO THEY DON'T E SEVEN IS NOT A VERY ATTRACTIVE SITE FOR A LOT OF RESTAURANTS OR A LOT OF USERS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO BE UP CLOSE.
CHIPOTLE, FOR EXAMPLE, REQUIRES A DRIVE THRU.
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AND SO EACH OF THOSE SITES WILL INCLUDE A DRIVE THRUS, NOT YOUR TYPICAL STRIP CENTER BEFORE WHERE YOU HAD PANERA IN A STRIP CENTER AND LIKE SIX IN A ROW.NOW THEY ALL WANT DRIVE THRUS BECAUSE OF KIND OF THE NEW, YOU KNOW, ECONOMIC TIMES WE'RE IN.
AND SO THAT JUST GIVES YOU A LITTLE FLAVOR.
BUT I THINK JUST LIKE ANY NEIGHBORHOOD WILL HAVE, THERE'S GOING TO BE NAIL SALONS, HAIR SALONS, DRY CLEANERS, SCHOOL, YOU KNOW, A SCHOOL, RESTAURANTS, YOU KNOW. SO IT'S GOING TO BE THE WHOLE GAMUT.
IT'S JUST GOING TO BE A VARIETY OF USERS.
OF COURSE, PUBLIX IS COMING AND THEY HAVE OUT PARCELS ON THEIR OWN.
BETTER IF YOU WERE USING SOLAR PANELS.
BUT AFTER HEARING AND SEEING THE PRESENTATION FROM THE TEAM THERE, I GET IT.
AND I OFTEN THINK BAYSIDE LINKS MISSED OUT BY NOT HAVING SOME MULTIFAMILY THERE.
AND SO I UNDERSTAND THE PROJECT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
AND SO I AM IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE 55 PLUS.
WE WERE MISSING THAT IN PALM BAY.
YEAH. ONE JUST ONE STAT THAT SHOCKED ME WAS.
2700. SINGLE FAMILY ZERO MULTIFAMILY.
AND THAT PRODUCT IS SO DESIRABLE AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT EARLIER TONIGHT.
THE PEOPLE THAT CAN AFFORD TO LIVE IN THESE APARTMENTS WANT TO WALK DOWN.
AND IT JUST BECOMES A GREAT, WALKABLE COMMUNITY WITH WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
AND I THINK OF THE YOUNG PEOPLE, TOO, BECAUSE THEN EMERALD LAKES IS GOING TO BE THERE.
IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE HIGH END AND EXPENSIVE, BUT YOUNG PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WANT TO BE SOMEWHERE CLOSE ENOUGH BECAUSE MOST OF THEM WILL PROBABLY DRIVE, SO BE ABLE TO BE CLOSE. SO I THINK THAT WAS A GOOD A GOOD MOVE ON YOUR PART.
SO THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU. FOR THE RECORD, THERE ARE TWO LETTERS IN THE FILE ON THESE CASES, BOTH IN FAVOR.
THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS? WHILST BE OPPOSED.
PHILLIP PHILIP CORCORAN, 1878 ONE BROOK DRIVE.
SEVERAL REFERENCES WERE MADE TO BAYSIDE LAKES AND.
THIS WAS A BIG FEATURE FOR THAT AREA.
IT MEANT A LOT TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVED THERE.
I DON'T SEE ANY RECREATION IN THIS PROPOSAL AT ALL.
I DON'T SEE ANY ANY PROVISIONS FOR POLICE.
FIRE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE ANOTHER PROBLEM FOR THIS LARGE DEVELOPMENT.
WE NEED TO SLOW DOWN OUR DEVELOPMENT, ESPECIALLY THE BIG ONES.
AND JUST TO YOUR POINT, BAYSIDE LAKE HAD MULTIFAMILY RIGHT FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.
IT SITS RIGHT OUT IN FRONT OF THE BAYSIDE LAKES CLUBHOUSE.
IT'S BEEN EMPTY FOR AT LEAST 14 YEARS THAT I KNOW OF.
WHY NOT THESE CARDS ALL THE TIME? ROBERTS IN 1796, WHEN BURKE DRIVE SOUTHEAST.
ON MAY. I WANT TO TALK TO EVERY ONE OF YOU.
EVERY ONE OF YOU LIVE IN PALM BAY, RIGHT? THE DEVELOPMENTS MAKE YOU THINK? I THOUGHT I HIT THE LOTTERY HERE WHEN I WHEN WHEN THESE GUYS WERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON.
WHAT I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE IN FAVOR OF VOTING FOR IT.
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AURORA, COLORADO, LIKE DOUBLE THE SIZE OF DENVER.WHAT I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT GOES RIGHT INTO THE MORATORIUM YOU TALK ABOUT.
LET ME BACK UP. SO YOU HAD DENVER, COLORADO, WHERE I'VE SEEN THE FAST GROWTH.
AND AS A VETERAN, I GO TO VIEIRA FOR TO THE VA.
THESE GUYS ARE BOOMING OUT THERE, EVERYONE, IF YOU'VE SEEN IT.
TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE A HUGE ISSUE HERE AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE REALLY GIVING THAT TRUE THOUGHT.
BUT I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT WHEN YOU'VE SEEN OUR PRESENTATION TO STOP THE REZONING.
WE'VE HAD FIVE TRAFFIC DEATHS IN FIVE YEARS RIGHT OUTSIDE BAYSIDE LAKES AREA HERE BECAUSE FLORIDA PEOPLE EXCUSE MY FRENCH JUST HAUL ASS TRYING TO GET TO 95 WHERE ALL THE JOBS ARE IN THE MELBOURNE AREA MARKET BASED APARTMENTS.
IT TELLS ME IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF CAKE MARKET BASED APARTMENTS.
COLLEGE KID WHO'S COMING OUT OF SCHOOL IS NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD IT.
ONE THING I THOUGHT WAS FUNNY YOU HAVE A 55 AND ABOVE COMMUNITY.
20 YEARS LATER, I CAN GO ACROSS THE STREET TO ASSISTED LIVING.
BUT WHAT? I WANT YOU TO GET GUYS AND GALS.
YOU TALKED ABOUT ECONOMIC CHANGE.
WHAT'S GOING ON NOW? I HEARD ON THE NEWS TODAY, NEW YORK, CHICAGO, OTHER CITIES ARE ASKING THE EMPLOYEES TO COME BACK BECAUSE I MANAGED A LOT OF YEARS.
ALSO, ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES.
WHAT'S THE MIDTERMS GOING TO BRING? WHAT'S THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION GOING TO BE? THINGS CHANGE.
THINGS ARE GOING TO CHANGE HERE.
PEOPLE ARE FLOCKING TO PALM BAY FOR THE NEW YORK, NEW JERSEY TRI STATE CONNECTICUT AREA.
NOW, JUST ADDING THIS UP WHEN YOU HAVE ON YOUR DOCKET RIGHT NOW IS 3137 IN THE HOMES OF LOTS THAT ARE GOING IN. OK.
WE'RE ALREADY AHEAD OF THE GAME.
WE ARE ON FIRE AND POLICE DEPARTMENT CANNOT RESPOND.
OUT OF 346 COMMUNITIES IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA WITH 330, WITH 341, SO WENT DOWN THE BOTTOM OF THE PACK IN EMERGENCY RESPONSE.
IT SOUNDS GREAT, BUT ONCE THESE DEVELOPERS BUILD, THEY'RE OUT OF HERE.
THESE ROADS AREN'T DESIGNED FOR THIS.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LIVE WITH THIS.
THAT WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO LIVE WITH? WHAT I'M ASKING IS.
EITHER NOW OR ESPECIALLY GOING FORWARD, 55% OF PALM BAY, THEY SAID 40 AND 55% NEEDS TO BE DEVELOPED.
MA'AM. I CAN'T EVEN PRONOUNCE YOUR LAST NAME, BUT I.
I'M SORRY. WHAT WAS THAT? MIRAGE.
WE ARE MAKING A BEDROOM COMMUNITY, AND I JUST WANT TO GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE.
WHAT MY WIFE CAN DO EVERY TIME WE WANT TO GO SOMEPLACE.
WE GO OUT THE GATE IN SUMMERFIELD.
YOU CANNOT JUST KEEP CHANGING ZONING.
I MEAN, I KNOW IT SOUNDS GOOD.
SOONER OR LATER IT'S GOING TO BITE US RIGHT IN THE FANNY.
WE REALLY NEED TO TAKE A PAUSE AND REASSESS WHAT WE'RE DOING AND HOW WE'RE DOING IT AND HOW IT'S GOING TO AFFECT ALL THE RESIDENTS OF PALM BAY, BOTH BUSINESS AND COMMERCIAL. YOU KNOW, I HAD ANOTHER PERSON TELL ME I ACTUALLY WAS CALLED TO HOMES, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL THE RETIREES IN THERE AND THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO GO DOWN.
THAT'S THE BIGGEST BUNCH OF YOU KNOW WHAT I'VE HEARD? I'M RETIRED. I'M OUT THERE EVERY DAY AND SO ARE A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE WHEN THEY DRIVE IT OUT HERE.
THE PEOPLE AT TILLMAN CANAL TOLD ME TIRES MAKE EIGHT TRIPS A DAY.
SO WHATEVER TRAFFIC STUDIES THAT YOU HEARD OUT THERE IS BOGUS.
I'M HAVING THE SAME CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY STAFF.
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ON TOP OF THE MAJORS GOLF COURSE.ALL RIGHT. BASICALLY, THE MAJORS IS CENTRAL PARK FOR PALM BAY.
IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT TO DO? WE WANT TO KEEP SWITCHING FROM COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL AND BACK.
PLEASE LOOK AT THIS GOING FORWARD.
LET'S LET'S LET'S LOOK AT WHAT WE GOT.
LET'S REASSESS WHERE WE'RE AT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT IT TO BITE US ONCE IN ABOUT EIGHT YEARS FROM NOW, I SUSPECT IN 5 TO 6 YEARS, PALM BAY IS GOING TO DOUBLE IN THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE.
WE'RE GOING TO GO FROM 126,000, WHICH THE MAYOR SAID TO ME THE LAST WORK ZONE WHEN THE.
THE LAST MEETING THAT WE HAD CONCERNING THE FUTURE LAND USE THAT'S GOING TO GO TO 200,000 EASY HOW ONE IS GOING TO LOOK WHEN ALL THESE DEVELOPERS ARE GONE.
THEY MADE THEIR CAKE AND THEY'RE LEAVING.
YOU'RE GOING TO ENJOY WHERE YOU'RE AT OR WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.
YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO HAVE A CITY WHERE WE CAN WORK AND PLAY.
IS THAT WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE? SO PLEASE GIVE IT DUE CONSIDERATION.
GILBERT IN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY NICE OF THEM.
IT WAS NOT A BUILDABLE LAND THAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT.
BUT I STILL APPRECIATED THE FACT THAT THEY WERE WILLING TO GO THAT ROUTE.
BUT THEN TO LOOK AT IT AND SAY, WELL, LET'S LET'S GO SIX VERSUS 38.
SO NOW WE WANT 38 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL TO GO INTO RESIDENTIAL.
THEY'RE MAKING A COMPARISON OF THEIR COMMERCIAL LAND TO EMERALD LAKE'S AVAILABLE COMMERCIAL LAND.
BUT WE DON'T KNOW IF EMERALD LAKES IS ACTUALLY GOING TO SUCCEED OR FAIL.
I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT BECAUSE IT'S A BEAUTIFUL DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT MIGHT FAIL.
WE MIGHT NOT EVER HAVE ANY COMMERCIAL OVER THERE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE IT NOW.
WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THE COMMERCIAL LAND IN BAYSIDE LAKES? IT'S BEEN RESOLVED REPEATEDLY.
SO WE CAN'T BE COMPARING WHAT'S AVAILABLE IN BAYSIDE LAKES WHEN THEY'RE SAYING, YEAH, BUT LOOK, WE GOT THIS COMMERCIAL AVAILABLE HERE, RIGHT? THE NEXT ONE THING WAS WATERSTONE HOLDINGS.
THEY HAVE LOTS OF LAND THAT WAS RESIDENTIAL, LOTS OF LAND THAT WAS RESIDENTIAL.
THEY ARE THE ONES THAT SET IT DOWN FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES.
THE DEVELOPERS WATERSTONE HOLDINGS DID THAT.
THEY COULD HAVE PUT THESE APARTMENTS THAT THEY'RE NOW TAKING THE COMMERCIAL LAND FOR.
THEY COULD HAVE PUT THE COMMERCIALS ON ANY PART OF WATERSTONE HOLDINGS THAT THEY HAD.
THEY'RE THE ONES THAT HAD ZERO APARTMENTS.
BUT THIS IS WHAT YOU REALLY NEED.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT SINCE 2000.
THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS SINCE 2000.
THEY KNEW THAT WE'VE BEEN REQUESTING APARTMENTS, BUT THEY DID NOT WANT TO DO THAT.
SO THEY CAN NOW PUT IN THEIR APARTMENTS FOR THEIR RESIDENTIAL.
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APARTMENTS. THAT'S THE ONLY PLUS.WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND, MR. VICE? YES.
THANK YOU. JUST TAKING QUICK NOTES HERE.
RECREATION. THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE DONE INTERNALLY WITHIN OUR PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
WE PUT A HUGE FOCUS ON THAT AS LOOKING AT THE MASTER ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO THAT'S BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL AS FAR AS POLICE AND FIRE GO.
ACTUALLY, THE REASON WE HAD THAT AGENDA ITEM EARLIER TONIGHT ON THE 6.4 ACRES WAS BECAUSE THAT WAS INTENDED TO POTENTIALLY BE A POLICE AND FIRE SITE WITH WATER TANKS FOR UTILITIES.
AND WE JUST LAST WEEK PROVIDED AN UPDATED SITE PLAN TO THE CITY.
THAT'S BEEN FAVORABLY RECEIVED WITH A POLICE STATION, A FIRE STATION AND THE WATER TANKS.
SO WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS WHOLE REGION, AND THAT'S BEEN A HUGE PRIORITY AS WELL.
AND IT TAKES THESE PROJECTS TO HELP GENERATE THE REVENUES FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD.
I HEARD REFERENCE TO THE MORATORIUM.
WE HEAR TRAFFIC ON EVERY PROJECT.
WE DID A 2017 STUDY THAT IS CONSTANTLY BEING UPDATED AS EACH ONE OF THESE PROJECTS COME THROUGH.
AND THAT'S WHY WE BROUGHT UP THAT 2017 STUDY.
IF THIS PROJECT IS APPROVED, WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED BY TRAFFIC BECAUSE THIS IS 97% LESS TRAFFIC GENERATED THAN A COMMERCIAL USE IF A COMMERCIAL USE WENT THERE.
WE SPOKE BRIEFLY EARLIER ABOUT TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS.
RIGHT NOW, WE'RE AT FINAL PERMIT FOR A NEW TRAFFIC SIGNAL HERE.
RIGHT NOW, THE CITY JUST RELEASED A CONTRACT TO IMPROVE THIS WHOLE CORRIDOR HERE AND THIS INTERSECTION RIGHT NOW, CYPRESS BAY WEST PHASE TWO IS EXTENDING THE PARKWAY AND LOOPING MARIN LOMA AROUND MARIN LOMA RIGHT NOW ENDS RIGHT HERE.
THE GREAT THING ABOUT THIS ZONE IS THE FLEXIBILITY.
IT GIVES US THE ABILITY TO CHANGE.
WITH THE TIMES WHEN THIS WAS DEVELOPED, WE DIDN'T DO APARTMENTS.
BUT THINGS ARE SO DIFFERENT NOW.
WE CAN HAVE ALL THIS COMMERCIAL ZONING, BUT IF IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL, IT DOESN'T GET THE END RESULT OF WHAT WE BELIEVE COUNCIL WANTS AND WE BELIEVE THAT THIS BOARD HAS DONE A GREAT JOB SUPPORTING.
EARLIER GENTLEMEN TALKED ABOUT GOING TO MELBOURNE.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID.
WE WANT TO KEEP THE PALM BAY RESIDENTS HERE.
WE WANT THEM TO SPEND THEIR MONEY HERE.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
THE TOTAL ACREAGE OF COMMERCIAL.
WE HAVE 159 ACRES RIGHT NOW, PLUS THE SIX AND ONE HALF IF THAT'S SUCCESSFUL.
AND WE'RE ASKING TO TAKE OUT 38.
THAT'S STILL 120 SOMETHING ACRES OF COMMERCIAL.
AND NEXT DOOR IS EMERALD LAKES.
THIS ISN'T THE BAYSIDE LEAGUE'S DEVELOPERS.
THESE ARE SUCCESSFUL DEVELOPERS THAT HAVE DONE THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS ACROSS FLORIDA.
YOU HEARD THEIR HISTORY EARLIER.
THEY KNOW WHAT CAN BE SUCCESSFUL.
THEY KNOW THESE COMMERCIAL END USERS.
AND THIS IS NOT JUST THE FEEDBACK THEY'RE GETTING HERE IN PALM BAY.
SO WITH THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THE BOARD MAY HAVE.
SO THE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
SITTING ON THE FLOOR. THANK YOU.
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FOUR IS NOW CLOSED FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS AND IT'S BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD.ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR EMOTION? THIS IS A GOOD PROJECT.
I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO ALL THE REASONS THAT HAVE BEEN STATED.
IT'S A GOOD TRANSITION FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY TO THE COMMERCIAL.
THERE'S A LOT OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THERE.
COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IS NOT GOING TO BE DEVELOPED UNLESS YOU HAVE YOU HAVE A RESIDENCE AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE MORE POLICE AND FIRE UNLESS YOU HAVE THE IMPACT FEES THAT PAY FOR THE FACILITIES.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE TAXES THAT PAY FOR HIRING MORE POLICE AND FIRE.
SO MOTION TO APPROVE CP 31 2022.
AND THE REQUEST IS FOR PRELIMINARY PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL FOR A 760 UNIT MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT TO BE CALLED THE GROVE AT PALM BAY PWD.
STAFF FINDS THAT SPD 37 2022 MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF A PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT REZONING AMENDMENT REQUEST AND IS REQUESTING APPROVAL SUBJECT TO STAFF COMMENTS.
AND STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE ALSO.
IT IS ABSURD TO HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
THANK YOU. NO NEW TESTIMONY AT ALL.
THANK YOU. FOUR IS NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS GERMANE TO THIS CASE ONLY.
DOES ANYONE WANT TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST? YOU WANT TO POSE TO THIS REQUEST? THEN BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD.
OR DO WE HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS OR EMOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE PD 37 2022 SECOND.
SO THE SECOND ALL IN FAVOR I PROPOSED.
[OTHER BUSINESS:]
FOR THE NEXT CASE.I HAVE PROPERTY THAT MIGHT BE AFFECTED MY VOTE.
SO I WILL BE TURNING THE MEETING OVER TO MR. WEINBERG. OKAY.
OKAY. FIVE MINUTE RECESS, PLEASE.
SO TONIGHT, BEFORE YOU, WE DO HAVE A PROPOSED TEMPORARY MORATORIUM, AND THIS WILL BE APPLIED CITYWIDE, SPECIFICALLY IN REGARD TO SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL AND MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS, SPECIFICALLY REGARDING THEIR FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENTS AND REZONING REQUESTS.
WITH THIS, I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THERE WERE TWO MINOR ERRORS INSIDE OF THE STAFF COURT, ONE STATING THAT THIS WOULD START ON AUGUST 1ST OR AUGUST, AUGUST 1ST OR SEPTEMBER 1ST. THE CLARITY ON THAT IS THAT IT WOULD BEGIN WITH THE SEPTEMBER 1ST DEADLINE THAT WE JUST HAVE PASSED.
THE RATIONALE FOR THAT IS BECAUSE THE FACT THAT IT IS COALESCENCE WITH OUR DEADLINE SCHEDULE.
THE SECOND PART OF THE STAFF REPORT THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE WE ARE AWARE OF TONIGHT IS THAT THE REQUEST IS ONLY FOR THE ENTITLEMENT LEVELS OF FUTURE LAND USE AND REZONING FOR MULTIPLE FAMILY AND SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICTS AND FUTURE LAND USES.
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THE STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND WE WILL SEE WHAT ELSE ANYONE ELSE TO SAY, AND I WILL RESPOND TO THAT AS WELL.THANK YOU. DOES BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
HEY, DOES THIS COUNT? DOES THAT COUNT JUST FOR REFERENCE TO THE LAST PROJECT THAT WAS MULTIFAMILY? THEY WANTED TO CHANGE IT TO COMMERCIAL.
DID WHAT HAPPENED? WELL, WE RECOMMENDED IT.
IT'S GOING TO GO TO COUNCIL. WE'LL SEE HOW THAT WORKS.
BUT THAT APPLICATION WOULDN'T BE HOSTED IF THIS MORATORIUM WAS WAS IN EFFECT, WOULD IT? SO THE VERY THE MOST RECENT APPLICATION, THE ONE THAT WENT FROM COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL, WOULD IN FACT BE IMPEDED BY THIS APPLICATION BECAUSE IT DOES CHANGE ITS FUTURE LAND USE TO A RESIDENTIAL FUTURE LAND.
SO ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE GOING TOWARDS MIXED USE, ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TOWARDS INDUSTRIAL OR GENERAL USE OR ANY OF THE CATEGORIES THAT DOES NOT FALL UNDER TRADITIONAL RESIDENTIAL, SUCH AS SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY ZONING DISTRICTS, THE CORROBORATING ZONING DISTRICTS, THOSE WOULD BE EXCLUDED.
ONLY SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY ZONING DISTRICTS ARE INCLUDED IN THIS REQUEST.
ANYTHING THAT HAS AN INNOVATIVE DESIGN OR A MIXTURE OF COMMERCIAL INSIDE OF IT, OR JUST A STRAIGHT COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL, WOULD STILL GO THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT YOU HAVE GONE THROUGH TONIGHT. THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO CLARIFY AGAIN, THIS ONE THAT WE JUST HEARD HAD THE ASSISTED LIVING COMPONENT AS A COMMERCIAL.
SO THE OVERALL POD THAT THEY HAVE IN PLACE WOULD NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH ANY CHANGES OR NECESSARILY ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT WAS UNIQUE AS WE DID CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE AND THE FUTURE LAND USE WENT FROM COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL.
SO IN THAT PLACE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN IMPEDED BY A MORATORIUM.
BUT WHAT THEY DID HIGHLIGHT IS THE INNOVATIVE NATURE OF THE OVERALL POD WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN PROHIBITED OR IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN DELAYED, I SHOULD SAY, UNDER THE MORATORIUM, THE OVERALL POD, IF THEY WERE TO COME FORWARD WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S UNDER IT, AS YOU SAW THE COMMERCIAL AND SO FORTH, THAT PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO CONTINUE ON. IT'S JUST THE THE SPECIFIC CHANGE TO RESIDENTIAL FROM EITHER LEVEL OF ENTITLEMENT, EITHER IT BEING AT THE FUTURE LAND USE LEVEL OR AT THE REZONING LEVEL.
SO ANYONE THAT ALREADY HAS A PLAN, UNIT DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED, WE'LL BE ABLE TO CONTINUE DOWN THE STEPS OF GOING THROUGH THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLANNING PROCESS, GOING THROUGH THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION PLAN PROCESS AND SO FORTH.
IT IS JUST THE REZONING OF SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY ZONING DISTRICTS AND FUTURE LAND USES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'VE GOT A QUESTION. WHEN WILL THIS COME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL? SEPTEMBER 15TH.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. ANDERSON. AT THIS POINT, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS APPLICATION? OR POST. OKAY.
THANK YOU. NOT OPPOSED COMPLETELY TO THE WAY THE MORATORIUM IS BEING PRESENTED.
IF THIS PROPOSED CHANGES ARE, GIVE CITY COUNCIL TIME TO LOOK AT WHAT THIS BOARD PROPOSES.
SO ALL OF THAT MAKES GOOD SENSE.
WE BELIEVE AND WE THINK THAT TYPE OF PROJECT PROBABLY WASN'T CONSIDERED WHEN IT WAS BEING PROPOSED THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY PROPOSED. AND JUST FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH BECAUSE YOU PREVIOUSLY APPROVED THE CROWN SQUARE PROJECT, IT'S DONE WITH A NEW TRAFFIC SIGNAL ON MALABAR ROAD, JUST WEST OF WAL-MART AND SONNY'S BARBECUE.
THAT PROJECT IS DEEPLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
NOW, YOU MAY HAVE SAW THE LIGHTS ARE BEEN TURNED AND THEY'RE FLASHING.
NOW, THAT PROJECT IN OF ITSELF IS TRUE MIXED USE.
IF THIS PROJECT DOESN'T MOVE INTO THAT AREA, PROBABLY NOTHING WOULD BE THERE.
IF OUR PROJECT IS SUCCESSFUL AND DEVELOPED TO HAVE THE NEXT PHASE OF MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS, WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED AND HAD THE PRE-APPLICATION MEETING ON IT WOULD BE TAXED THE SAME AS COMMERCIAL.
AND YOU JUST SAW US GIVE A SPEECH ABOUT HOW THE MULTIFAMILY VERSUS COMMERCIAL GENERATES MORE.
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IT ALSO, JUST LIKE THE PROJECT WE TALKED ABOUT, IT DRIVES A COMMERCIAL.WE HAVE FOUR COMMERCIAL LOTS UP THERE.
WE HAVE THE OLDEST COMMITMENT AND WE THINK WE HAVE A DRIVE THRU COFFEE STORE, BUT WE'RE STRUGGLING TO FILL UP JUST THE FOUR COMMERCIAL LOTS IN THAT AREA RIGHT NEXT TO A WALMART AND A SONNY'S BARBEQUE.
SO WE THINK THE APARTMENTS ADDING ANOTHER ALMOST 200 MARKET RATE APARTMENTS WOULD DRIVE THE COMMERCIAL AND MAKE IT SUCCESSFUL.
SO THAT PROJECT HAS JUST STARTED THE PROCESS.
AND JUST SO THIS BOARD UNDERSTANDS AND WE'LL EXPLAIN THE SAME THING TO COUNCIL ON THE 15.
I'VE PROBABLY DONE 20 DIFFERENT CONCEPTS ON THAT SITE TO TRY TO MAKE THE MOST SUCCESSFUL PROJECT POSSIBLE, AND WE PUT THE BRAKES ON WHEN THE PREVIOUS MORATORIUM WAS BEING CONSIDERED BY COUNCIL.
SO WE ACTUALLY STOPPED OUR PROJECT IN CASE THAT DID GET APPROVED AND IT DIDN'T.
SO WE STARTED MOVING FORWARD AGAIN.
AND NOW HERE WE ARE LOOKING AT ANOTHER MORATORIUM.
SO WHILE WE UNDERSTAND WHY CITYWIDE AND OVER MOST OF THE CITY, THIS MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
PROJECTS THAT I THINK IT'S WRITTEN HAVE BEEN ADVERTISED ALREADY.
IF YOU GUYS DON'T LIKE IT, YOU JUST SAY, NO, NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO APPROVE IT.
AND IF IT'S NOT A GOOD PROJECT, GREAT, YOU HAVE THAT ABILITY.
SO WE JUST WANTED THE BOARD TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
AND OTHER THAN THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
AND WE DO, AS I MENTIONED, HAVE OUR DEVELOPMENT TEAM HERE THAT WOULD MAYBE ANSWER QUESTIONS.
I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO. I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU, JAKE.
ASSUMING THIS MORATORIUM GOES INTO EFFECT, IT'S GOING TO BE FOR SIX MONTHS.
YES. BROWN SQUARE IS GOING TO BE TAKEN A LOT LONGER THAN THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, REALISTICALLY, IF THE MORATORIUM WERE TO GO INTO EFFECT FOR SIX MONTHS, HOW MUCH WOULD IT SET THAT APPLICATION BACK? SO IT WOULD SET US BACK A MINIMUM OF THE SIX MONTHS.
AND THEN I'VE SEEN MORATORIUMS, THEY SEEM TO SAY SIX MONTHS, AND SOMEHOW THEY KEEP CREEPING ALONG.
ALL OF A SUDDEN, WE'RE HERE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION NINE OR 12 MONTHS LATER, AND THE PROJECT MIGHT NOT BE FEASIBLE AT THAT TIME, BUT THIS PARTICULAR ONE IS DRIVING THE COMMERCIAL. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HOPING, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE ALL WANT.
WE WANT SUCCESSFUL COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HOPING NOT TO HAVE, IS THAT DELAY.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE, SIR? RUSTY MELLO, 1455, SOUTH OF WICKHAM.
THIS COUNCIL, THIS BOARD APPROVED IT AND WENT TO CITY COUNCIL.
IT DID NOT GET APPROVED. SO THE POWER OF THE PEN IS ALREADY IN PLACE.
AND THAT PARTICULAR ONE, WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS A GOOD PROJECT, DIDN'T GO FORWARD.
SO I'M LOOKING FOR INDUSTRIAL PEOPLE.
THE BAD SIDE I SEE THAT IS I WAS TALKING TO JAKE.
SO THEY WERE ABLE TO DO IT WITHOUT A MORATORIUM.
AND SO WE'RE BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD ON THAT.
SO I THINK THE POWER IS THERE TO DO THAT.
THERE ARE TIMEFRAMES ON SOME OF THOSE MONEY.
THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT OTHER PLACES, WHETHER IT'S IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA OR TITUS OR SOMEWHERE ELSE.
SO THAT JUST KIND OF IN THAT TIME FRAME AND A LOT OF THAT MONEY IS CAPPED.
BILL. YOU HAD SOMETHING TO SAY.
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FEEL THAT IN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST, THERE IS A PLUS AND A MINUS WITH THE MORATORIUM.AND THAT WAS WELL, THAT WAS WELL PRESENTED.
BUT WHAT'S HAPPENED IS WE'VE SEEN WE'VE SEEN THE.
REPERCUSSIONS OF MOVING TOO QUICKLY ON SOME ITEMS. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS WE'RE TRYING TO JUST TAKE TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF A PAUSE.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? WELL, THE PROBLEM WITH COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS BEEN THAT PEOPLE KEPT WOULD LOOK AT IT AND SAY, YEAH, BUT THAT'S EVERYBODY EXCEPT FOR ME.
YOU'RE GOING TO THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO PAY FOR EVERYTHING THAT EVERYBODY ELSE NEEDED.
WE KNOW THAT THAT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY.
THE COST OF THE COST OF THE BUSINESS AND RUNNING THE CITY IS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET FROM THE IMPACT FEE OR WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET FROM THE ANNUAL TAXES THAT IT DOESN'T PAY FOR IT.
BUT YET THE GROWTH WAS EXCEEDING AND YOU LOOK AT THE POLICE REPORT ITSELF, SHOWS THAT YOUR GROWTH IN POPULATION WAS EXCEEDING WHAT YOUR MAINTENANCE COSTS FOR THE CITY WAS.
BUT WHEN I WATCHED THE YOU KNOW, THIS IS CYNICAL ON BILL BARTON'S PART.
I REALLY DON'T WANT THAT IN MY BACKYARD.
BUT NOW I'M WATCHING THIS VERY HUMOROUS TO ME.
NOW I'M WATCHING THE DEVELOPERS SAYING, OH, I DON'T WANT THAT MORATORIUM IN MY BACKYARD.
I JUST FIND A LITTLE BIT OF HUMOR WITH THAT THERE.
CLUB. ROBERTS 1796, WHEN BROOKE DRIVE STOLE MY LINE. I NEED TO ASK JESSE A QUESTION.
MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THE MORATORIUM WAS ANYTHING 50 ACRES AND HIRES.
NOT CORRECT. WELL, I'LL LET HIM ANSWER IT AFTER YOUR COMMENT.
ALL RIGHT. AGAIN, COMING BACK TO HOW DO WE DEVELOP RESPONSIBLY? LET ME GO BACK TO THE TWO GENTLEMEN.
THE OTHER ONE SAYS, YOU KNOW, IF IF YOU HAVE A MORATORIUM, WE'LL GO SOMEPLACE ELSE.
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, THERE'S ENOUGH DEVELOPERS IN THIS COUNTRY.
SO, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN THAT AND NOTICE THAT WE NEVER SAID IN OUR BACKYARD WHEN WE CAME BEFORE THE THE ZONING COMMITTEE, HOW DO WE DEVELOP RESPONSIBLY? WHY DO YOU THINK THE CITY LEADERS ARE TAKING THIS UP AGAIN? BECAUSE I THINK THEY'RE GETTING THE SAME THING AS A SIDE NOTE, SHE'S PROBABLY GOING TO GET MAD AT ME.
I THINK SUZANNE SHERMAN IS THE SMARTEST PERSON, ONE OF THE SMARTEST PEOPLE I'VE EVER MET.
THIS IS HAND TO HAND AMOUNT TYPE STUFF.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SEEING THE CITY AND HOPEFULLY THAT THE ZONING BOARD IS DOING.
THIS IS THE BETTERMENT OF THE RESIDENTS.
I MEAN, THEY WANT TO GET AWAY FROM THE TAXES AND THE HIGH RENTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
I MEAN, THEY'RE COMING HERE MORE TIME AND NO MORE.
PALM BAY IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED.
OK HOW DO YOU WANT IT TO BE DEVELOPED? AND THERE IS GOING TO BE BUSINESS HERE.
YOU PUT PEOPLE IN HERE, THE RESTAURANTS WILL COME IN AND WHAT HAVE YOU AND AND YOU'LL MOVE.
YOU GO THROUGH SOME OF MY NOTES HERE IF YOU BEAR WITH ME A SECOND.
SO 55%, THE PALM BAY NEEDS TO BE DEVELOPED, YOU KNOW, THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF HOMES IN THE YEAR THAT I'VE BEEN COMING IN, THESE MEETINGS HAVE BEEN APPROVED, YOU KNOW? IT'S IT'S AMAZING.
WE'RE ALREADY AHEAD OF WHERE WE OUGHT TO BE.
I HAD THE CHIEF OF POLICE GET UP HERE AND STATE THAT THEY NOW TAKES 7.8 SECONDS.
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I SAID, GREAT, I NEED A COP TO COME OVER HERE AT 7.8 MINUTES.AND HE COMES OVER HERE AND I'M NOT GIVING HIM ANY OF MY AMMO.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? IT'S IT'S DANGEROUS GUYS AND GALS.
THEY CAN'T GET TO US IN A TIMELY FASHION.
WE ARE OVERDEVELOPED AS FAR AS EMERGENCY SERVICES ARE CONCERNED, AS FAR AS A LOT OF THINGS.
BUT THE PEOPLE WHO STAND IN THE GAP, THE BLUE SUITS AND THE BLUE COLLAR FOLKS THAT THAT KEEP US ALIVE AND KEEP US FROM BEING MUGGED OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
THEY DON'T HAVE THE OFFICES TO GET HERE.
WE'RE GETTING BONUSES TO GET PEOPLE HERE, TO GET COPS GOING THROUGH OUR SYSTEM.
IN FACT, THESE GUYS, IT'S NOT GOING TO TAKE CARE OF EVERYTHING.
SO HOW DO WE CLOSE THAT GAP? ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS I GAVE, SUZANNE, WAS WHAT WE DID IN COLORADO WHEN WE HAD BASEBALL.
THE ROCKIES WILL COME INTO TOWN.
I THINK THAT WAS FOR ABOUT 12 YEARS AND THEN THEY VOTED TO EXTEND THAT TO BUILD THE STADIUM.
WOULD YOU PLEASE JUST STICK TO THE SUBJECT AT HAND, WHICH IS THE MORE I AM.
ALL RIGHT. AGAIN, THE RESIDENTS, WE'RE GOING TO BE DOUBLING IN OUR RESONANCE HERE.
I MENTIONED A PAUSE A FEW MONTHS AGO.
AND WHAT? DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON TALKED ABOUT A MORATORIUM.
WE SEEM TO LOOK AT THAT WORD AS THE WORD ON IT.
ALL IT IS IS A PAUSE TO REASSESS AND REEXAMINE WHERE THEY ARE, WHERE WE ARE, WHAT SHOULD WE DO, WHAT WE NEED TO MODIFY MOVING FORWARD TO BUILD THIS BUILD OUT PALM BAY IN A CONCISE, WELL THOUGHT OUT WAY.
THESE DEVELOPERS ARE NOT GOING TO LEAVE SIX.
I'M NOT GOING TO LEAVE TOMORROW.
IF THIS HAS PASSED AND NOT COME BACK, THAT'S JUST NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
THAT'S WHERE THE MONEY IS. THAT'S PURE CAPITALISM THAT I HAPPEN TO BELIEVE IN.
AND YOU LIVE HERE. SO HOW DO WE DO THIS SMARTLY? AND THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING YOU TO THINK OF.
YOU KNOW, GOOD MANAGERS REEXAMINE AN ACCIDENT AND ASSESS IF WE'RE HEADING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
YOU HAD 333 HOMES JUST BUILT IN STONE BRIER.
THESE DEVELOPMENTS ARE NOT GOING TO COME BACK.
PEOPLE ARE COMING TO FLORIDA UNLESS YOU'RE LIVING UNDER A ROCK.
THE MORATORIUM IS NOT GOING TO PUT ANYBODY ON THE BUSINESS.
BUT WE HAVE TO LIVE THIS AGAIN.
YOU KNOW, SO LET'S JUST SLOW DOWN A LITTLE BIT AND REASSESS.
THE MAYOR SAID TO ME, IF YOU'RE MANAGING CORRECTLY, YOU DON'T NEED A MORATORIUM.
I TOLD HIM I WAS TOLD, MR. MAYOR, I SAID, THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.
AND AS PHIL COCHRAN SAID, I WISH I REMEMBERED THIS LINE.
I MEAN, I WISH I SAID THIS LINE.
WE TREAT DEVELOPERS HERE LIKE THEY'RE AN ENDANGERED SPECIES.
COME ON, LET'S LOOK AT THIS SMARTLY.
NO ONE WANTS A BEDROOM COMMUNITY.
I MEAN, BILL MADE A GREAT POINT.
YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THAT? SO HOW DO WE LOOK AT THIS SMARTLY FOR EVERYBODY SO WE CAN LIVE, WORK AND PLAY? AT THE SAME LOCATION.
IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE THOUGHT PROCESS THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
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WE'RE ALREADY OVEREXTENDED.THAT'S THE POINT I WANT TO KEEP YOU WITH.
THE FOREST EMERGENCY SERVICES GO.
AND I'M NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC.
NOW, LET ME TELL YOU HOW GREAT TRAFFIC IS.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS LIKE KEYSTONE COPS.
HERE I WAS AT TRADITION CAFE AND I'LL END WITH THIS.
I WAS AT TRADITION CAFE AND THERE WAS A RED LIGHT THERE AND I LIVED JUST LIVE AT SUMMERFIELD.
SO TRADITION CAFE IS THAT IS THAT COGAN AND BAYSIDE LAKES AND I'M FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
SO I THOUGHT LET ME JUST STAY ON TOPIC FOR THIS.
I'M SORRY, I AM TAKING GETTING ON THE TOPIC AT THIS POINT.
STOP PUTTING PEOPLE ON TOP OF ONE ANOTHER.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK? GOOD EVENING. CORCORAN 2124 WIND BROOK DRIVE.
MY COMMENTS HERE ARE GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IN THAT I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY A LITTLE OVER A WEEK AGO TO PARTICIPATE WITH A BUNCH OF MY FELLOW RESIDENTS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNED EXERCISE THAT WE HAD HERE, AND GOT INVOLVED WITH ALL THE EXERCISES AND PUT IN THE STICKERS WHERE THEY WANTED TO BE AND DOING THINGS WITH THE ROADS AND DOING THINGS WITH A COMPOUND.
BUT THERE'S PART OF THAT EXERCISE THAT I FOUND MOST ENCOURAGING IS THE FACT WE DID FLIP FLIP CHARTS.
WE HAD A CHANCE TO DO FREE FORM.
THIS IS WHAT WE THINK WE OUGHT TO BE DOING WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN TERMS OF MAKING.
CONCRETE AND POSITIVE CHANGES THAT WILL IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THE PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND I'VE GOT A GOOD CHANCE TO PUT ON, I DON'T KNOW, THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE OR FIVE ITEMS AND GOT AN OPPORTUNITY TO ALSO TALK WITH THE GROWTH DEVELOPMENT PEOPLE AS WE WERE GOING THROUGH THOSE EXERCISES.
I SPEAK TO YOU TONIGHT IN SUPPORT OF THE MORATORIUM, BECAUSE I'M HOPEFUL THAT ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE COLLECTED JUST A WEEK AGO ARE GOING TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK THEIR WAY THROUGH AND MAKE SOME POSITIVE CHANGES TO THE REGULATIONS AND THE IDEAS THAT WE BRING FORWARD IN TERMS OF MAKING THESE KINDS OF PROPOSALS AND MAYBE THINGS THAT WILL IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR ALL OF US HERE IN PALM BAY.
TO ME, FOR SOME REASON, WE'RE TRYING TO GO DOWN A VERY NARROW PATH HERE, AND I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER, BUT THANK YOU FOR LISTENING AND I APPRECIATED THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK.
PAT DIAPER AGAIN FOR TEN GEORGE'S AVENUE.
YES, IT DOES. BECAUSE THE GROWTH.
YES, IT HAS TO DO WITH THE MORATORIUM.
BECAUSE THE GROWTH, WE ARE GROWING TOO FAST.
IF WE DON'T GET THE WATER SITUATION SQUARED AWAY, THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM.
PEOPLE NEED WATER, SO THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WE NEED TO LOOK AT.
IF WE SLOW OUR GROWTH DOWN, WE CAN FIGURE OUT, OKAY, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO WITH THE WATER? BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT WHAT THE PROBLEM IS YET.
I DID ALSO WANT TO MENTION THAT I HEARD KENNY JOHNSON SPEAK AND I ASSUMED HE WAS TALKING ABOUT REZONING ALL TOGETHER, NOT JUST ONE PART, BUT REZONING STOPPED REZONING FOR EVERYTHING.
THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? YOU SAY, DID YOU WANT TO RESPOND TO SOME OF THAT? OKAY. SO WE HEARD A LOT OF DIFFERENT ARGUMENTS FOR AND AGAINST THE MORATORIUM OVER ALL.
THERE ARE SPECIFIC REASONS THIS CITY IS ATTEMPTING TO OR AT LEAST PUT FORWARD A MORATORIUM.
FIRST AND FOREMOST, IT WAS, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, INITIATED BY OUR DEPUTY MAYORS.
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AS YOU MAY NOTE, PARTS OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAVE NOT BEEN UPDATED SINCE 2000.THINKING ABOUT IT BEING OVER 20 YEARS OLD, YOU CAN FIGURE MOST OF THE RESIDENTS HAVE SEEN SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES AND DO WANT TO SEE DIFFERENT TYPES OF CHANGES GOING FORWARD, SOME THAT WERE DIFFERENT THAN BEFORE.
SO THAT'S FOR THAT'S REASON NUMBER ONE, GOING TO ANSWERING THE QUESTION ABOUT THE SIZE.
I APOLOGIZE. A STEP BACK FOR THE SIZE.
AND THE RATIONALE FOR THIS IS BECAUSE APPROXIMATELY 97% OF OUR COMMUNITY IS RESIDENTIAL AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WITH ONLY APPROXIMATELY 1.7% OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY HAVING CURRENTLY ANY COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL ONLY ENTITLED LAND USES.
SO WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT HOUSES DO HELP, UNITS DO HELP BUILD COMMERCIAL.
TO DO SO, WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO WORK AND LIVE IN THE SAME TYPE OF AREA.
THIS MEANS WE NEED TO ATTRACT MORE COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL TYPE OPPORTUNITIES TO THIS CITY.
DOING SO, WE WILL HAVE TO SOMEWHAT UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE RESIDENTIAL THAT WILL NEED TO FULFILL SOME OF THESE OPEN POTENTIAL ECONOMIC POSITIONS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO CREATE. THEREFORE, WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT IN A MIXED USE TYPE SCENARIO, ESPECIALLY WITH WHAT WE HAD PUT FORWARD IN THE POD AMENDMENT MOST RECENTLY, WE ARE LOOKING AT MINIMUM COMMERCIAL STANDARDS THAT WE CAN START TO SATISFY SOME OF THE COMMERCIAL NEEDS WHILE ALSO ALLOWING NEW RESIDENTS TO COME FORWARD.
AS WE DO UNDERSTAND, THERE IS A HOUSING SHORTAGE THROUGHOUT THE NATION.
SO OUR SUSTAINABLE INITIATIVE IS OUR NEXT GOAL THAT I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT.
MOST FIRST AND FOREMOST, IT CAN BE UTILIZED AT OTHER TIMES.
HOWEVER, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE IS THE SINGULAR ENTITY IN WHICH IT IS MOST REFERRED TO.
AND THE RATIONALE FOR THAT IS BECAUSE THE UPDATING OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, OF COURSE, IS THE GUIDING FORCE FOR THE COMMUNITY FOR APPROXIMATELY THE NEXT 20 YEARS, UPDATED EVERY SEVEN YEARS. SO AGAIN, CEMENTING THAT POINT HOME.
THOSE ARE THOSE TRANSPORTATION STUDIES WILL GIVE US FURTHER INFORMATION ON WHAT TYPE OF CORRIDORS WE SHOULD UPGRADE, WHAT TYPE OF CORRIDORS WE SHOULD ALSO UP CLASS TO DIFFERENT LEVELS OF CORRIDORS.
AND THESE TYPES OF DIFFERENCES WILL ACTUALLY BE A DRIVING FORCE INTO WHERE WE'RE GOING TO LOCATE FUTURE DENSITIES AND INTENSITIES, SPECIFICALLY ALONG CORRIDORS THAT ARE MORE INTENSIVE, SUCH AS ARTERIAL OR COLLECTOR ROADS.
WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE DENSITY AND INTENSITY ALONG THOSE STARTING TO SEE TRANSITIONAL ZONING.
AS YOU HEARD MENTIONED SEVERAL TIMES TONIGHT, WE WOULD LIKE TO ENACT SOME SORT OF TRANSITIONAL ZONING LANGUAGE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE SEE THOSE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THOSE USES AND SEPARATIONS WITHOUT HAVING TO INFLICT, FOR INSTANCE, A SIX FOOT FIVE, SIX FOOT HIGH FENCE.
THEREFORE, EVERYONE HAS A BUFFER IN ADJOINING USES.
IT LESSENS ITS INTENSITY AND DENSITY.
WE CAN ONLY ENACT THESE MEASURES IF WE DO UPDATE OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE SMART GROWTH COUNCIL DOES IDENTIFY WITH DURING A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MORATORIUM TIME PERIOD IS THAT THERE GOING TO BE A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING TO TRY TO SNEAK IN BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY GET THE MORATORIUM IN PLACE.
BUT WE NEED TO HAVE WE NEED TO GO BY WHAT OUR CURRENT CODE IS.
SO WITHOUT A MORATORIUM IN PLACE, WE ARE RESTRICTED TO THE LANGUAGE THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN PLACE, WHICH DOES NOT ALLOW FOR US TO CONTINUE TO BE INNOVATIVE AND UNIQUE IN OUR DESIGN METHODS TO PLAN AND CREATE A SUSTAINABLE PLATFORM FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
IS WHAT HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. ANDERSON? I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION IN REGARDS TO THE TIME FRAME OF SIX MONTHS.
CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? ABSOLUTELY. THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION.
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THAT WILL COINCIDE WITH ABOUT THAT SIX MONTH TIME PERIOD, WHICH IS LIKELY EARLY MARCH AT THIS POINT, MARCH 1ST, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.IF I'M DOING MY MATH CORRECTLY.
SO THAT ALLOWS FOR US TO ADOPT THAT PLAN SO THAT WE CAN START IMPLEMENTING IT RIGHT AWAY.
SO NO DELAY IN BETWEEN THE TIME PERIODS, IF POSSIBLE.
IF NECESSARY, COULD IT BE EXTENDED? THERE ARE METHODS THAT COULD ALLOW FOR EXTENSIONS, HOWEVER, THAT WOULD BE REVISITED BEFORE YOU ALL.
THIS WILL BE CODIFIED IN AN ORDINANCE, SO IT WILL BE RESTRICTED TO AN ORDINANCE.
SO THEREFORE THAT ORDINANCE WILL GOVERN THE LENGTH OF THE MORATORIUM.
THERE MAY BE EXECUTIVE ORDERS THAT THE STATE OR THAT THE MAYOR MAY BE ABLE TO ENACT.
I WOULD HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THOSE MEASURES, THOUGH.
THANK YOU, SIR. JUST ONE POINT OF CLARITY, MR. ANDERSON, BECAUSE I THINK THAT YOU MISSPOKE PREVIOUSLY BY ONE WORD.
AND YOU SAID SO THEY SNEAKING IN BEFORE THE MORATORIUM.
BUT I THINK WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO SAY IS BEFORE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE.
SO WE CREATE THE BUFFER USING THE MORATORIUM, IS THAT CORRECT? YES AND NO.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THE REASON WHY WE'RE MAKING THIS SLIGHTLY RETROACTIVE AND IT BEING ON THE 1ST OF SEPTEMBER IS BECAUSE WHEN THE WORD OF A MORATORIUM DOES COME OUT, A LOT OF DEVELOPERS DO PUSH IN A LOT MORE PROJECTS VERY QUICKLY TO GET IN BEFOREHAND.
AND THAT'S JUST PART OF THE SMART GROWTH PRINCIPLES THAT YOU CAN FIND.
IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE COGNIZANT OF.
SO IF SOMETHING WERE TO BE MORE ATTUNED TO A MIXED USE TYPE USAGE, THEN IN THAT CASE THERE ARE ENTITLEMENTS THAT IT CAN GO TOWARDS TO ATTAIN THAT.
STILL, IT'S JUST THE RESTRICTION IF IT GOES THROUGH RESIDENTIAL.
ONE LAST CLARIFYING QUESTION EFFECTIVE DATE, SEPTEMBER 1ST.
MY MATH SAYS THAT WOULD RUN THROUGH MARCH 31ST AND APRIL 1ST.
YOU WOULD BE OUT OF MORATORIUM.
CAN WE ALL AGREE ON THAT AS A FACT TO PROCEED? YOU COULD HAVE ALL OF SEPTEMBER.
NO, IT WOULD BE ALL THROUGH FEBRUARY THEN.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO LEAP YEAR NEXT YEAR ARE WE.
FEBRUARY 28TH, 23 AND THEN MARCH ONE, WE'D BE OUT OF MORATORIUM.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NOT. THANK YOU, MR. ANDERSON. AT THIS POINT, I'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR EITHER FURTHER DISCUSSION OR MOTION BEFORE, BEFORE.
AND IF YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION TO TO SUPPORT THE MORATORIUM, WHICH I INDEED DO FOR SEVERAL REASONS, I MEAN, THERE ARE ACTUALLY THERE ARE ADVANTAGES TO IT IN THERE, DISADVANTAGES TO IT. ONE THING I KNOW MR. WEISS MENTIONED WAS THAT MORATORIUMS SOMETIMES CAN BE EXTENDED AND EXTENDED AND EXTENDED.
SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO TO APPROVE THIS THIS MORATORIUM, YOU SPECIFICALLY STATE THE TIME PERIOD OF SIX MONTHS ENDING ON FEBRUARY 28 THROUGH FEBRUARY 28TH, ENDING AS OF MARCH 1ST.
SO THAT IF CITY COUNCIL DOES GO AHEAD AND AND APPROVE THE MORATORIUM AS WELL, THEY'LL SEE A RECOMMENDATION THAT THAT IS SPECIFICALLY LAST FOR ONLY SIX MONTHS AND IS NOT TO BE EXTENDED.
I JUST I JUST WANT TO TALK THROUGH THINGS, THROUGH MY LENS.
I'M A RESIDENT IN THIS IN THIS CITY OF PALM BAY.
AND, YOU KNOW, MY DAILY LIFE IS HEAVILY IMPACTED BY THE THE INCREASE IN CHANGES TO OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THEY DECIDE TO WORK ON THAT MEDIAN AT HIGH NOON.
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THEY CAN DO IT AT MIDNIGHT. THEY DO IT AT HIGH NOON.SO ANYHOW, FOR THAT PROJECT TO COME ALONG A LITTLE FURTHER AND REACH A CLOSER TO COMPLETION POINT, US UNDERSTAND OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, COME OUT OF THAT AND THEN SEE AN APPLICATION THAT SAYS, HEY, WE WANT TO ADD 200 UNITS.
I'LL KNOW THEN WHERE APARTMENTS BELONG IN THIS CITY, WHERE TOWNHOUSES BELONG IN THIS CITY, TO SPEAK TO THE PROJECTS OFF OF BOMBARDIER, THAT IS AN INDUSTRIAL AREA.
I COULD SEE AN AVENUE THAT THAT COULD BE REALLY FIT FOR RESIDENTIAL ONE DAY.
IF WE LOOK AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WE TAKE INDUSTRIAL AND WE TAKE IT OUT OF CONLIN BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY MADE THE MOVE TO HOUSING THERE, WE TAKE IT OUT OF BOMBARDIER AND WE PULL IT DOWN INTO THE COMPOUND AND WE SAY, HEY, YOU CAN'T DO INDUSTRIAL HERE BECAUSE YOU CAN DO IT HERE.
I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR ANYTHING, BUT WHAT I'M TRYING TO SHOW IS REAL LIFE EXAMPLES OF PROJECTS THAT HAVE COME THROUGH THIS BOARD IN THE VERY RECENT PAST THAT BECAUSE OF THIS HORRIBLY OUTDATED, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, DRIVE IT HOME, FOLKS.
WHY TWO K WE WROTE A PLAN AND SAID THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE OUR CITY LOOKS LIKE BY 2011.
SO THE FOUNDING FATHERS THAT WROTE IT IN 2000 THOUGHT IT SHOULD LOOK LIKE THIS.
YOU BOARD THE SITTING HERE IN 22.
WHAT DO YOU THINK IT SHOULD LOOK LIKE? AND SOME OF THOSE DECISIONS BECOME REALLY, REALLY DIFFICULT BECAUSE WE MIGHT MAKE ONE DECISION AND THEN THE LOT NEXT DOOR OR TWO LOTS DOWN COMES WITH A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THING. AND IT'S LIKE, WELL, WELL, WE HAVE TO MAKE THIS DECISION NOW BECAUSE WE MADE THE LAST DECISION AND WE WANT IT TO BE CONGRUENT, DON'T WE? AND WE WANT CONTINUITY, DON'T WE? SO IT TENDS TO FORCE OUR HAND.
I HAPPEN TO AGREE WITH MR. SISI'S ASSERTIONS THAT THIS DECISION POPULATION IS GOING TO EXPONENTIALLY INCREASE IN SHORT ORDER, AND CERTAINLY IN MY LIFETIME AND IN MY FAMILY'S LIFETIME IN THIS GREAT CITY.
AND I JUST WANT TO SEE IT DONE WITH PURPOSE.
WE'VE HAD A 60 NOW TWO YEAR HISTORY AND 60 OF THEM.
AND THE CITIZENS WORKED TO GET A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE AND THE CITIZENS WORK TO IMPLORE STAFF TO GET CONSULTANTS TO COME IN AND WORK WITH STAFF AND FIGURE THINGS OUT.
AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, NOT PUBLISHING A MORATORIUM AND NOT TAKING ADVANTAGE OF WHAT DR.
I FEEL AS THOUGH IS NEGLIGENT IN OUR DUTIES.
WHO ARE WE TO SAY IS THE SEVEN PERSON BOARD THAT WE CAN MAKE COMPREHENSIVE DECISIONS BASED UPON 2000 WITH A HORIZON OF OF 2011 IN 2022 AD HOC.
I DON'T AIM TO SERVE ON THIS BOARD IN SUCH A CAPACITY.
I DON'T WANT TO AD HOC PIECE TOGETHER THE REMAINDER OF THIS CITY.
BUT I RETURNED BECAUSE THE SPIRIT OF THE CITY IS HERE.
THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY HERE, HERE.
THE DIVERSITY THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY IS MORE UNIQUE THAN ANY OF THE OTHER CITIES.
AND LET'S LET'S DO IT THE RIGHT WAY ONE TIME NOW, THIS NEW PLAN IS GOING TO COME OUT.
IT SAYS THAT THE VISION IS 2040.
IF YOU LOOK AT IT, WE'RE NOT EVEN GOING TO IMPLEMENT IT TILL 2017 OR TILL 2023.
WE NEED TO UPDATE EVERY SEVEN YEARS.
LET'S START OFF AHEAD OF THE GAME BY A SIMPLE SIX MONTH REST.
AND IF THE DEVELOPERS ARE ANTSY OR THEY NEED TO BUILD SOMETHING, PLEASE BUILD ON THE SCATTERED LOTS IN THIS BEAUTIFUL CITY OF PALM BAY, BECAUSE OTHERWISE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS THE NORTHWEST AND THE SOUTHEAST WILL GROW AND THEY'LL GROW AND THEY'LL THEY'LL HAVE THEIR PUBLIX AND THEY'LL HAVE THEIR COMMERCIAL AND THEY'LL HAVE THEIR RESOURCES.
COMPOUND, THEY TRIED TO SPRAWL.
DON'T LET MY PART OF THE CITY.
OR FRANKLY, I THINK EVERYONE IN THE BOARD LIVES ON THE INTERNAL PART OF THE CITY.
DON'T LET MY PART OF THE CITY BECOME THE FORGOTTEN ABOUT.
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DON'T GO OUT TO THE OUTSKIRTS, GIVE THEM EVERYTHING THEY NEED AND NEVER COME THROUGH AND DEVELOP AND FILL THE INTERIORS OF THE CITY.WE NEED UTILITY EXPANSION IF THE QUALITY OF THE SYSTEM IS GOING TO GET BETTER.
NOW WE ARE HAVING UTILITY EXPANSION.
WE HAVE A NEW, NEW FACILITY GOING IN IN THE SOUTH.
IT'S GOING TO PRODUCE FRESH WATER.
IT'S GOING TO TAKE IN WASTEWATER.
THE NORTH FACILITY IS BEING IMPROVED.
BUT ALL THAT SAID, IF WE DON'T INCREASE THE AVAILABILITY OF THE UTILITIES TO THE INTERNAL PORTIONS OF THE CITY, TO THE PEOPLE THAT COULD HOOK UP, THAT COULD PAY A UTILITY BILL, WE CAN'T AFFORD TO EXPAND THE UTILITIES.
SO SO MANY THINGS HINGE ON THE INTERIOR OF THE CITY GETTING DEVELOPED AT AT LEAST A RELATIVELY SIMILAR RATE TO THESE EXTERIOR NEW MAKE SOMETHING OUT OF SWAMPLAND.
WE CAN'T FORGET ABOUT THE INTERNAL SIDE.
SO TO TO BRING MY RANT TO A CLOSE HERE, MR. CHAIR, I'M IN FULL SUPPORT OF THE MORATORIUM.
I'M IN FULL SUPPORT OF DEVELOPMENT.
I'M IN FULL SUPPORT OF DEVELOPERS.
I APPRECIATE YOU ALL THE ENGINEERS THAT COME AND REPRESENT THESE PROJECTS.
YOU ALL KNOW YOUR FRIEND RANDALL.
BUT WE HERE IN THIS CITY THAT I'M GOING TO WAKE UP TOMORROW MORNING IN PALM BAY.
I'M GOING TO DRIVE MY KID TO SCHOOL IN PALM BAY.
I'M GOING TO TRY TO GET SOME LUNCH, PROBABLY FROM SONNY'S IN PALM BAY TOMORROW.
EVERYONE ELSE IS GOING TO GO HOME TO THEIR OTHER AREAS AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DEAL WITH WHAT THEY WANT TO BRING UPON US, WHAT THEY WANT TO CONGEST MY ROADS AND DO EVERYTHING ELSE. SO I NEED A BREAK.
WE NEED A BREAK. THANK YOU FOR ENTERTAINING ME, MR. CHAIR. IF THERE ARE NO OTHER COMMENTS, CAN I GET A MOTION, PLEASE? SURE. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO PASS THIS MORATORIUM AS DESCRIBED.
EFFECTIVE SEPTEMBER 1ST THROUGH FEBRUARY 28TH OF 2023.
THE SECOND MOTION AND THE SECOND FROM.
THIS MEETING. HAD SOMETHING TO.
HE'S. I CERTAINLY I URGE EVERYONE TO ATTEND THIS.
I ATTENDED ANOTHER SIMILAR ONE BACK IN 2015, PUT ON BY UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA.
IT'S IT'S INFORMATIVE AND EDUCATIONAL.
IF YOU CAN GO, PLEASE MAKE A POINT TO GO.
THANKS FOR THE REMINDER. IN THE ADJOURN.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.