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OKAY. I'M GOING TO CALL THIS BAYFRONT COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY REGULAR MEETING 2020 207.
TO ORDER, I'M GOING TO ASK THAT VICKIE NORTHROP LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
PRESIDENT. VICE CHAIRMAN JOHNSON HERE.
YEAH. COMMISSIONER FILIBERTO HERE.
COMMISSIONER WEINBERG YOU'RE COMMISSIONER NORTHROP HERE.
BAYFRONT CIARA ATTORNEY PATRICIA SMITH.
HEY, THE FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS IS THE ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES.
[ADOPTION OF MINUTES]
OR JUNE MOTION TO ADOPT THE MINUTES OF THE JUNE SIX, 2022 MEETING.SECOND GOT A MOTION BY MR. WEINBERG AND THEN SECONDED BY MR. FELIX. ANY DISCUSSION, GENTLEMEN? YOU KNOW, ALL IN FAVOR.
HI. HI. AND HE OPPOSE PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT TWO SPEAKERS ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT, AND THE FIRST ONE WILL BE JOHN TERRY.
[PUBLIC COMMENTS]
BERTO WILL STEP FORWARD.AND PLEASE ACCEPT MY APOLOGY FOR MISPRONOUNCING YOUR NAME.
THANK YOU ALL FOR TAKING TIME TO THE MIC, SIR.
WE'VE GOT SOMEONE THAT'S REMOTE RIGHT NOW, AND I WANT THEM TO BE ENGAGED IN THIS PROCESS.
MY FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SERVICE.
THIS IS A GROWING AREA AND GROWTH IS GOOD AND BRINGS ALSO CHALLENGES.
BLAH, BLAH. MY FOCUS FOR MY INPUT AND APPRECIATION FOR THIS TIME IS TO SHARE THAT.
IT'S I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO LOOK AFTER THE WILDLIFE HERE ON THE EAST COAST.
THERE'S A LOT OF PICTURES HERE AND SOME OF THEM ARE LIKE OF THE ANIMALS.
THEY'RE SO CUTE. BUT MY GOAL ISN'T TO TRY TO SOFTEN YOUR HEART WITH PICTURES OF BABIES.
AND IF YOU DON'T, YOU KNOW, THEN I'M BETTER THAN YOU.
SO WHAT I WANT TO DO IS BRING A VERY SPECIFIC REQUEST TO A VERY DEVELOPMENT VERY CLOSE TO OUR HOME.
THAT'S WHY I TRY TO SPEAK CLOSER TO THE MIKE BECAUSE.
SO I DON'T WANT TO DO THE WHO LOVES ANIMALS THE MOST.
THAT'S NOT WHERE I'M COMING FROM.
I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL.
WELL, I CAN'T HEAR YOU IF YOU'RE GOING TO TURN AWAY FROM THE MIKE.
THIS IS THE PROPOSAL AS IT FACES NORTH.
IT'S APPROXIMATELY JUST UNDER SEVEN ACRES.
OH, VERY GOOD. BLESS YOUR HEART.
THANK YOU. AND WHAT I WANT TO SHARE IS THERE'S THIS SPEAKING TO THE MICS.
THANK YOU. I'M SORRY. THIS EDGE OF THE TURKEY CANAL IS A PARTICULARLY SPECIAL PLACE.
THERE'S. AT ANYONE AT ANY ONE TIME ALLIGATORS, TURTLES, PORPOISE, DOLPHINS, MANATEES AND ALL KINDS OF BIRDS. IT'S A WONDERFUL PLACE.
THE VERY UNIQUE THING ABOUT THIS AREA IS THERE'S A SMALL FRESHWATER POND VERY NEAR THE SALTWATER.
THE FRESHWATER IS ABOVE, SO THEY DON'T SHARE A WATER TABLE.
SO IT'S A UNIQUE OCCURRENCE OF A FRESHWATER POND VERY CLOSE TO A SALTWATER INLET.
AND THEREIN LIES THE ATTRACTION OF THE WILDLIFE.
IT'S A REALLY BEAUTIFUL, EXTRAORDINARY PLACE TO OBSERVE ALL THESE BEAUTIFUL ANIMALS.
THEY RAISED THEIR KIDS THERE, AND THEY RENEW THEIR POPULATIONS THERE.
AND MY REQUEST OR MY SUGGESTION IS THAT THE ANALOGY I CAN DRAW IS LIKE AN EASEMENT ON A ROAD, YOU KNOW, SOME SPACE TO THE SIDE, IF YOU WILL. IT WOULD BE, I THINK, REALLY HELPFUL.
IF YOU COME THIS WAY. I'LL STAY ON THE MICROPHONE.
THANK YOU. IF THERE COULD BE LIKE A 20 FOOT KIND OF TO PRESERVE THE WATER'S EDGE BECAUSE THE MANATEES COME UP AS A WHOLE FAMILY SIX OR SEVEN WITH THEIR BABIES AND THEIR MANATEE CHILDREN, AND THEY EAT THE GRASSES THAT GROW WHERE THE GRASS MEETS THE WATER AND THEY GO RIGHT UP AND
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THEY NIBBLE TOGETHER. IT'S EXTRAORDINARY.BUT THE OTHER WILDLIFE SUPPORT HERE IS QUITE FABULOUS.
AND AS I SAID EARLIER IN ANOTHER DISCUSSION.
NANCY, WHAT ITEM IS YOU REFERRING TO? SEE. SO I THINK IT'S.
CP ONE MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, I BELIEVE THAT ITEM IS COMING BEFORE CITY COUNCIL ON THE 15TH.
THAT WILL BE COMING BEFORE THE ENTIRE CITY COUNCIL ON THE 15TH.
MR.. BARTOW, I'M GOING TO ASK THAT YOU COME BACK ON THE 15TH.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND USE YOUR TIME TO SHARE THAT AGAIN.
WONDERFUL PROJECT. THANK YOU, SIR.
APPRECIATE THAT. SO OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS SUZANNE CONNOLLY.
SUSAN CONLEY, 3901 DIXIE HIGHWAY NORTHEAST.
AS I ATTEND THE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS, IT SEEMS THAT THERE ARE MORE REQUESTS FOR AMENDMENTS TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ZONING FOR BAYFRONT MIXED USE. AND I THINK THESE PROPERTIES, IF I UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY, WOULD NOT BE PART OF THE PROPOSED MORATORIUM IF A MORATORIUM IS VOTED IN. SO THIS WOULD PRESENT A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY TO ENCOURAGE DEVELOPERS OF THE BAYFRONT MIXED USE PROPERTIES TO REALLY SEE THIS AREA FOR ITS UNIQUENESS, ITS FOR ITS UNIQUENESS, AND TO BUILD COMPATIBLE WITH THE SPECIAL FEATURES OF THE BEAUTY AND THE NATURAL RESOURCES AND THE WILDLIFE.
IT REALLY OFFERS A WAY AND OPPORTUNITY THAT THESE PROPERTIES COULD SHOWCASE THE AREA AS WELL AS UTILIZATION OF THE VOLUNTARY LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT THAT'S JUST BEEN DEVELOPED BY THE PUBLIC WORKS DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.
I THINK THE VISION FOR THE BAYFRONT IS OBVIOUS THAT IT'S MORE THAN JUST DEVELOPMENT OF MULTIFAMILY HOMES, THAT IT'S A REAL FOCAL POINT FOR OUR CITIZENS AND ALSO FOR THE PLANTS AND WILDLIFE AND NATURAL RESOURCES THAT ALSO SHARE OUR ENVIRONMENT WITH US.
THEN IN THE SPEAKER CARS WE HAVE ON THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
WE'RE NOW MOVING ON TO NEW BUSINESS ITEM NUMBER ONE.
[NEW BUSINESS]
AND YOUR MIND'S NOT ON.YEAH. AND YOU GET IT CLOSER TO YOU.
REMEMBER, WE'VE GOT DEPUTY OR MR. JOHNSON ON OUR VICE CHAIR ON THE LINE.
NEGATIVE. I MEAN. THANK YOU, CHAIR.
STANDBY. I THINK WE'VE GOT MICROPHONE DIFFICULTIES.
LET'S GO. ALL RIGHT, HERE WE GO.
THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO QUICKLY INTRODUCE SAM WEEKLEY, OUR CITY'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MANAGER.
HE'S ACTUALLY BEEN HERE SINCE JULY 5TH, BUT THIS IS OUR FIRST CRA MEETING.
HE'S ALSO WORKED WITH FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.
SO HE'S REALLY AN ASSET TO THE CITY AND WE'RE VERY GLAD TO HAVE HIM ON BOARD.
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WELL, THANK YOU, NANCY, AND WELCOME ABOARD.I THINK WHEN YOU SAID AMAZON DISTRIBUTION CENTER, I THINK MR. FOSTER'S EARS PERKED BECAUSE HE HE SPEAKS OF THEM ACTUALLY DRIVING THROUGH THE CORRIDOR OF PALM BAY AND NOT HAVING A DISTRIBUTION CENTER HERE.
SO I THINK HE GOT EXCITED ABOUT THAT ONE.
HERE WE GO. SO THIS IS ITEM NUMBER ONE CONSIDERATION OF THE BAYFRONT COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY ANNUAL FINANCIAL AUDIT REPORT FOR FISCAL YEAR 2021 AND AS REQUIRED, EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 1ST, 2020, THE CRA MUST COMPLETE A FINANCIAL AUDIT.
THE AUDIT IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH CHAPTER ONE 63.387 OF THE FLORIDA STATUTES.
I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT JUST A FEW ITEMS ON THE AUDIT.
THE HIGHER ASSESSED PROPERTY VALUES OFFSET WITH A DECREASE IN THE CITY'S OPERATING MILLAGE RATE PROVIDED FOR A LARGER REVENUE SOURCE OVER FY 20. SO THAT MEANS THE CASH AND INVESTMENTS INCREASED $1.066402 MILLION DUE TO THE SERIES PROPORTIONATE SHARE OF INCREMENTAL TAX REVENUE AND RETURN OF INVESTMENTS.
AND AS YOU'LL SEE ALSO, WE HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM FOR THE BUDGET.
SO THE CRA IS DEFINITELY INCREASING IN VALUE.
IN ADDITION, THIS AUDIT REFLECTS THE SALE OF THE TWO VACANT LOTS ON THE PARCEL AND ALSO THE SALE OF THE PELICAN HARBOR MARINA IN TURKEY CREEK, WHICH WAS JOINTLY OWNED BY THE CITY AND THE CRA.
THE THROUGH THE INTERLOCAL THAT WAS SIGNED BETWEEN BREVARD COUNTY AND THE CITY OF PALM BAY, THE CITY RETURNED $289,085 BACK TO THE TO THE COUNTY.
IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, JUST ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF.
LOOKING TO MY RIGHT. TO MY NOTE.
NO QUESTIONS. MAY I HAVE ONE? MR. YOUNG, I DO SEE THE AD VALOREM TAX REBATE HERE FOR NORTH SHORE DEVELOPMENT.
JUST MY QUESTION TO THE STAFF IS HOW LONG IS THAT REBATES GOING TO GO ON FOR? ONLY UNTIL THE END, UNTIL THE MAY OF 2024 WHEN THE YEAR EXPIRES.
AND I THINK THAT THE DEADLINE IS THIS YEAR.
AM I TRACKING THAT CORRECTLY? DEADLINE IS DECEMBER 31ST OF THIS YEAR.
IS IT 2023, 2023 OR 2023? SO THIS THE COMMERCIAL HAS TO THEY HAVE A YEAR FROM THIS DECEMBER.
I'M TRACKING THAT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN? HEY, CNN. I NEED A MOTION.
THE 2021 FINANCIAL AUDIT FOR THE BCR.
GOT A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR JOHNSON.
I GOT A TIE FOR THE SECOND AND I'LL CHOOSE MR. WEINBERG. TAKEN BY MR. WEINBERG. ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION? DEPUTY MAYOR. YOU WANT TO SHARE? NO, SIR. NO, NOTHING SAD.
COPY THAT. I'VE GOT A MOTION IN THE SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR. I AND HE OPPOSED PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER TWO ON THE NEW BUSINESS.
A RESOLUTION OF THE BAYFRONT COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY.
BROWARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, ADOPTED THE ANNUAL BUDGET FOR THE BAYFRONT REDEVELOPMENT TRUST FUND AND APPROPRIATING FUNDS FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING OCTOBER 1ST, 2022, AND ENDING SEPTEMBER 30TH 2023, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
THANK YOU, MA'AM. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THE REVENUES HAVE INCREASED FROM 2022 WAS 1.6 MILLION AND THE PROPOSED REVENUE IS 2.2 MILLION, WHICH IS ABOUT A 638,000 INCREASE DUE TO PROPERTY TAX VALUATION.
THE BUDGET ALLOCATES 1.503761 IN TOTAL EXPENDITURES.
THAT'S ESTIMATING THE AD VALOREM TAX REBATE FOR NORTH SHORE DEVELOPMENT OF 477,724.
THE REMAINING BALANCE OF 774 143 IS NOT ALLOCATED DUE TO THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH BREVARD COUNTY, AND SO THAT WILL BE PLACED IN RESERVES AND WILL BE TRANSFERRED BACK TO BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY.
A COUPLE OF THINGS TO NOTE AS WELL.
THIS LAST YEAR WAS THE LAST YEAR FOR THE DEBT SERVICE FOR THE $6 MILLION BOND FROM 2006.
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SO THERE IS NO PAYMENT LEFT ON THAT FOR THE 2020, 2023 BUDGET.THERE WAS ALSO DURING 2022, THERE WAS A $1.3 MILLION TRANSFER TO THE ROAD MAINTENANCE FUND BASED ON THE SALES OF SOME OF THE PROPERTIES AND THEN A SHARE OF THE CITY'S REVENUES AS WELL.
HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF.
I NEED MOTION. SO TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2022 THAT THOSE TWO TO APPROVE THE FISCAL YEAR 2023 BUDGET.
I GOT A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR JOHNSON, SECONDED BY MR. FELIX. ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION, GENTLEMEN? NO, SIR. ALL RIGHT, CNN ALL IN FAVOR.
WE ARE NOW ON OLD BUSINESS ITEM NUMBER ONE, MADAM RUNT.
[OLD BUSINESS]
THANK YOU. THIS IS CONSIDERATION OF PURCHASE OFFER FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1608 ORANGE BLOSSOM TRAIL.THE SIERRA PURCHASED THE PROPERTY AUGUST 17TH, 2017.
THE FEC RAILROAD MAIN LINE AND CONTAINS APPROXIMATELY 0.39 ACRES.
SO ON FEBRUARY 24, 2022, THE CITY RECEIVED AN APPRAISAL FROM W.H.
BENSON, PROVIDING FOR AN APPRAISAL OF $60,000 FOR THE LOT.
THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN LISTED SINCE MARCH 18, 2022, SO THERE ARE CURRENTLY FOUR OFFERS ON THE PROPERTY WE RECEIVED ON AUGUST 9TH, THE VACANT LAND CONTRACT FROM ROBERT AND CLAUDIUS LOOMIS IN THE AMOUNT OF 62,100 IT PROVIDES FOR AN INITIAL DEPOSIT OF 6000 120 WITHIN THREE DAYS OF THE EFFECTIVE DATE AND THE REMAINING 55,980 TO BE PAID AT CLOSING THE CONTRACT PROVIDES A DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD OF 50 DAYS.
FROM THE EFFECTIVE DATE, THE BUYER HAS PRESENTED THE FOLLOWING ADDITIONAL TERMS OF NOTE PROPERTY AND RECORD CLEAN FROM LIENS, MORTGAGES, COVENANTS, DEED RESTRICTIONS, EASEMENTS, WETLANDS AND RELATED RESTRICTIONS.
ON AUGUST 11TH, THE CITY RECEIVED A CONTRACT FROM THOMAS, DARYL CRUMBLES AND AMANDA ELIZABETH HOMELESS IN THE AMOUNT OF $60,000 THE CONTRACT PROVIDES FOR INITIAL DEPOSIT OF $6,000 WITHIN THREE DAYS OF THE EFFECTIVE DATE AND THE REMAINING 54,000 TO BE PAID AT TIME OF CLOSING THE CONTRACT PROVIDES FOR A DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD OF 50 DAYS.
THAT'S THE SCRIBNER'S ERROR ON THE AGENDA IF YOU'RE READING WITH ME FROM THE EFFECTIVE DAY, 50 DAYS FROM THE EFFECTIVE DAY ON SEPTEMBER 1ST, THE CITY RECEIVED A CONTRACT FROM ROBERTA BROWN IN THE AMOUNT OF $45,000 THE CONTRACT PROVIDES FOR INITIAL DEPOSIT OF $4,500 WITH THREE DAYS EFFECTIVE DATE, THE REMAINING 45 40,500 TO BE PAID AT TIME OF CLOSING THE CONTRACT PROVIDES FOR A CLOSING DATE OF FIVE DAYS AFTER INSPECTION.
THE CITY RECEIVED ON AUGUST 18 A CONTRACT FROM CARL AND JEAN BRUNO IN THE AMOUNT OF 60,000 IT PROVIDES FOR AN INITIAL DEPOSIT OF 6000, WITH WITHIN THREE DAYS OF THE EFFECTIVE DATE AND THE REMAINING 54,000 TO BE PAID AT TIME OF CLOSING.
THE CONTRACT PROVIDES DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD OF 65 DAYS.
WE ALSO HAVE MEL HOWARD FROM ONE SOTHEBY'S, OUR COMMERCIAL BROKER HERE AS WELL.
AND SOME OF THE PROSPECTIVE BUYERS ARE ALSO HERE.
I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS.
I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THEY PLAN ON DOING OUT THERE.
I ALSO HAVE A QUESTION FOR MISS NANCY, SIR.
I WANTED TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT.
BY STAFF OR BY MR. HOWARD IF THE VISION OF A DOWNTOWN PALM BAY WAS EXPRESSED.
THE APPLICANTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY SAY THAT AGAIN, SIR.
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ARE MAKING AN OFFER ON THESE PROPERTIES.I'M READING YOU NOW LOUD AND CLEAR.
WHO WANTS TO TAKE THAT QUESTION? THE BROKER. I'LL BE GLAD TO.
CARRY ON. EVERYONE HAS BEEN NOTIFIED THAT THIS IS THE BAYFRONT REDEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, AND THEY'VE BEEN GETTING GIVEN ALL THE ZONING FOR THE BAYFRONT.
AND THEY'VE ALL BEEN DIRECTED TO CALL PLANNING AND ZONING FOR THEIR INTENDED USE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE ANSWER IS YES.
NOW, NOW, IF THERE WAS IF THERE WAS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT THE CITY WANTED TO DO A DOWNTOWN AREA FOR THAT, THE ONLY ONE THAT I EVER KNEW OF WAS WHEN THE PREVIOUS GROUPS OF THE CITY COUNCIL WERE HERE.
AND I THINK IT WAS JAMES MARSHALL.
THANK YOU. JAMES MARSHALL HAD A VISION OF GOING DOWN, JOHN, NOT JOHN RHODES, BUT ROBERT CONLON.
AND THAT'S THE ONLY ONE I KNEW OF WHERE THERE WAS A CITY AREA WHERE YOU WANTED A CITY CENTER.
I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THE BAYFRONT REDEVELOPMENT DISTRICT WAS DESIGNATED A REAL CITY CENTER, BUT I'VE ALWAYS KIND OF ENVISIONED IT TO BE THAT WAY ANYWAY. SO I THINK THE VICE CHAIR'S DIRECT QUESTION WAS LIKE A DOWNTOWN AREA.
IN OTHER WORDS, SOMETHING THAT ATTRACTS COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE.
I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN HIS MOUTH, BUT I THINK THAT'S WHAT HE ENVISIONED.
IS THAT DEPUTY OR VICE CHAIR? YOU'RE RIGHT ON THE MONEY. YEAH.
A WALKABLE AREA IS WHAT I'M ENVISIONING.
YES. SO I THINK THE QUESTION SURROUNDS MORE OF SPECIFICALLY, DID YOU WANT THAT TO BE PART OF THE VERBIAGE? VICE CHAIR YES, YES, SIR.
YOU'RE RIGHT ON THE MONEY WITH WHAT YOU EXPLAINED.
AND I KNOW THAT I THINK OUT OF MOST OF US THAT ARE ON THE DAIS TODAY, THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS THERE, YOU KNOW, PART OF THAT ADMINISTRATION THAT YOU MENTIONED IS VICE CHAIRMAN.
THAT'S THAT'S ON THE LINE TODAY.
AND I THINK MOST OF US KIND OF TEND TO SEE THAT AS A WATERFRONT COMMUNITY.
AGAIN, VICE CHAIR, I KNOW YOU'RE NOT HERE.
I DON'T WANT TO PUT ANY WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH.
YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU'RE RIGHT ON THE MONEY.
AND I APPRECIATE I APPRECIATE YOU SHARING THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHILE THIS COUNCIL IS NEW, I FEEL THAT EACH EACH ONE OF US HAS EXPRESSED, INCLUDING STAFF, THAT THIS IS THE PLACE WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO SEE IT BLOSSOM TO THE DOWNTOWN PALM BAY.
SO, YES, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING AT.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND SPECIFICALLY DOWNTOWN, WAS THAT CONVEYED? YES, IN A NOT IN A DIRECT WAY THAT IT WOULD BE DOWNTOWN, BECAUSE I WOULD ALWAYS POINT OUT THE ZONING OF THE BAYFRONT REDEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AND SAY, NO, YOU REALLY CAN'T PUT A GARAGE DOOR UP IN THE FRONT.
YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO GO BY THE CITY CODE THAT WAS LISTED FOR THIS PROPERTY.
AND THE CITY CODE IS PRETTY DEFINITIVE IN WHAT YOU WANT.
SO THAT'S ALL GIVEN TO THEM IN A PACKAGE.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY.
VICE CHAIR. YOU COMPLETED WITH YOUR QUESTIONS, SIR.
OH, YES. UNLESS MISS NANCY HAS ANYTHING TO ADD.
SO I'M GOING TO GIVE THE MIC OVER TO PHIL.
SPECIFICALLY, ANY OF THESE FOUR OFFERS THAT WE HAVE ON THIS PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, HAVE THEY EXPRESSED TO YOU WHAT THEY PLAN TO DO WITH THIS PROPERTY? AND WOULD IT BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE VISION THAT WE JUST EXPRESSED AS FAR AS HAVING SOME KIND OF A WALKABLE DOWNTOWN AREA, NOT SEEING ANY KIND OF DIRECTIVE FROM THE CITY OF PALM BAY ON WHAT THAT DOWNTOWN AREA WOULD LOOK LIKE? YES, YES AND NO.
THAT'S A THAT'S A HARD QUESTION, BECAUSE IF I HAD A MODEL TO SHOW THESE PEOPLE, THEN THAT WOULD REALLY BE FANTASTIC THAT I COULD SAY IT REALLY KIND OF NEEDS TO LOOK LIKE THIS.
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I UNDERSTAND. THAT'S WHY IT WAS REALLY YOU KNOW, IT'S A GENERAL IDEA.MY QUESTION WAS A GENERAL ONE.
THAT'S WHY I WAS SPEAKING IN GENERALITIES.
IF THEY EXPRESSED TO YOU THE TYPE OF BUSINESS THAT THEY WANT TO PUT IN THAT THAT PROPERTY AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE THIS EVENING ARE REALLY GOING TO COMMUNICATE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. AND AND WHAT SOME OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE DONE IS GIVEN US, LIKE, AN IDEA OF WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
WHAT I'VE I CAN TELL YOU THIS.
I'VE TURNED AWAY OVER 100 PEOPLE BASED ON WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO, KNOWING THAT THIS IS THE BAYFRONT REDEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PUT KIND OF RV STORAGE HERE.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PUT A MACHINE SHOP HERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT.
I'VE GIVEN THEM DIRECTIVE TO SAY.
I KNOW THAT YOU SHOULDN'T EVEN BOTHER WITH THAT ONE.
I MEAN, I GET A LOT OF CALLS ON THESE PROPERTIES.
THANK YOU, MEL. YOU'RE WELCOME.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MR. FELIX.
MR. CHAIR. MEL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR PROVIDING THE INFORMATION.
AND I WOULD AGREE YOUR INSTRUCTIONS WERE GENERAL.
YEAH. YOU REFERENCED THAT PRIOR ADMINISTRATION.
THAT WAS MORE OF A GRANDIOSE DREAM THAT OH YEAH, WE COULD WE COULDN'T AFFORD.
TO, YOU KNOW, TO BE FAIR TO YOU, SIR, I MEAN, YEAH, YOU DIDN'T GET A DIRECTIVE, I THINK.
YEAH, THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ALL WOULD LIKE TO SEE NOW THAT IT'S BEING DISCUSSED OUT OF THE OPEN, MAYBE SOME OF THE APPLICANTS, SOME OF THE FOLKS THAT ARE HERE OR WHATEVER MAY GET DISPLACED, UNDERSTAND WHERE THIS BOARD, HOW WE FEEL ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR AREA AND JUST WANTING TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD WITH YOUR ZONING CODE.
I MEAN, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS 22 YEARS AND I'M ABLE TO READ THE ZONING CODE AND KNOW WHAT YOU WANT.
THAT LOOKS PRETTY NICE AT 1608 WHERE, YOU KNOW, THEY GAVE US SOME KIND OF THING THAT IS A WALKABLE PEDESTRIAN TYPE PROPERTY WHICH KIND OF WOULD FIT IN WITH THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
THE PROBLEM THAT I SEE WITH SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES THAT ESPECIALLY SINCE IT'S ONLY 0.39 ACRES, WHAT CAN YOU DO ON 0.39 ACRES? AND CAN YOU JUST DO COOKIE CUTTER TYPE OF THINGS TOGETHER AND TRY TO MAKE A DOWNTOWN AREA THAT'S REALLY HARD BECAUSE YOU REALLY NEED A DEVELOPER THAT'S GOING TO COME IN AND DO THE WHOLE PICTURE, THE WHOLE PIE AT ONE TIME.
AND SO I'M TORN BETWEEN TELLING PEOPLE, HEY, THIS LOOKS PRETTY GOOD, BRING IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL OR THE CRA AND SEE WHAT THEY, YOU KNOW, IF THEY FIND ONE THAT THEY REALLY LIKE, WE'LL GO WITH THAT.
THERE ARE SOME THAT WHAT THAT IS IS A COFFEE SHOP WITH MULTIFAMILY CONNECTED BUT YEAH AND AND IT LOOKS PRETTY DECENT BECAUSE THEY PUT THE MULTIFAMILY ON THE TOP FLOOR AND THEN ON THE BOTTOM FLOOR.
YOU KNOW, AND MISS BLUNT REALLY MADE A COMMENT TODAY TO ME.
I'M NOT SURE THERE'S ENOUGH PARKING THERE.
YEAH. SO WOULD IT WOULD IT BE MORE FAVORABLE TO LOOK AT AN APPLICANT THAT IS CONSIDERING BUYING BOTH PROPERTIES? YES, SIR. IS THERE PART OF THOSE APPLICANTS IS SOME THAT ARE LOOKING TO BUY BOTH? YES, SIR. OKAY.
BECAUSE THERE YOU HAVE 0.97 ACRES.
STILL, IT'S HARD TO PUT SOME THINGS ON JUST ONE ACRE THESE DAYS BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT GREEN SPACE, YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, ALL OF YOUR PARKING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED, DEPENDING ON THE INTENDED USE.
IF IT WAS MEDICAL, YOU'D NEED MUCH MORE PARKING, BUT THEN YOU HAVE RETENTION.
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SO THERE ARE A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE CAN'T DRAIN INTO THE POND NEXT TO YOU BECAUSE YOU REALLY NEED THE RETENTION THAT'S USUALLY 20 OR MORE PERCENT OF ANY PROPERTY. SO I'M WHAT I'M SEEING ARE REALLY GOOD IDEAS AND EVERYONE THAT'S PUT IN AN IDEA FOR THIS HAS BEEN REALLY GOOD.ONE WAS A LITTLE ON THE EDGE BECAUSE OF THE MATERIALS THEY WANTED TO USE TO BUILD THEIR PROPERTY.
LET'S TALK ABOUT THE ELECTRICIAN.
THAT'D BE A NICE OFFICE FOR AN ELECTRICIAN.
IT COULD FIT IN A DOWNTOWN AREA.
YOU DON'T. AND I CAUTIONED HIM, YOU DON'T WANT A WHOLE LOT OF TRUCKS SITTING THERE OVERNIGHT.
THAT'S NOT WHERE ENVISIONING FOR THE BAYFRONT REDEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
BASICALLY, THIS IS AN OFFICE FOR US AND THE CENTRAL BASE.
SO, YOU KNOW, HIS OFFICE MIGHT LOOK GREAT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A SITE PLAN FROM HIM YET.
MR. CHAIRMAN, ONE OTHER THING, MEL.
AS YOU KNOW, WE REQUIRE A 10% DOWN PAYMENT.
YOU SHOW THEIR DOWN PAYMENT IS $6,120, WHICH IS NOT QUITE 10%.
I'M JUST WONDERING IF THAT MIGHT BE ACTUALLY A TRANSPOSITION.
IT MIGHT BE. AND WE PLAN TO CHANGE THOSE AS BE TO 6000 TO 10 RATHER THAN 6000 120.
SO IT COULD VERY WELL BE A TRANSPOSITION.
IT'S OKAY. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTION.
THANK YOU. LET ME KNOW IF YOU NEED ANYTHING ELSE.
I SAID THE OWNERS ARE HERE OR SOME OF THEM ARE, YES.
OKAY. SO WE'LL LET WE'LL GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
I DO HAVE A SPEAKER CARD FOR THIS ITEM AS WELL.
JUST WONDERING IF, MR. TIMMONS, DID YOU WANT TO COME SPEAK NOW? SOME. OH, COME ON UP.
YEAH. THANK YOU, MIKE TIMMINS, 581 YOUNG STREET IN MELBOURNE, FLORIDA.
AS I PROBABLY EVERYBODY KNOWS, I PURCHASED THE MARINA PROPERTY FROM THE CITY, AS WELL AS AN EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF PROPERTY IN THE BAYFRONT DEVELOPMENT.
I CAME BEFORE YOU ON 616 AT THIS COUNCIL MEETING AND FOR BOTH PROPERTIES AS PART OF A DEVELOPMENT THAT WE ARE TRYING TO TO COMPLETE IN THE WATERFRONT, HAVE WE PURCHASED AGAIN A GOOD MAJORITY OF THAT AND THIS PROPERTY GOES IN TO AND IS SOMEWHAT CRITICAL TO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT WAYS.
ONE BEING WE'VE ALREADY THERE'S A LIFT STATION THAT NEEDS TO BE MOVED ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY, DOESN'T NECESSARILY NEED TO BE ON THE PROPERTY, BUT WORKED WITH THE CITY.
AND THAT AT LEAST IS ONE, ONE OPTION.
I THINK THAT WE WERE TOLD IN THIS COMMISSION THAT AND I ONLY WANTED BOTH PROPERTIES, INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES, AS MR. HOWARD SAID, IS PROBABLY TOO SMALL TO DO ANYTHING ON ANYWAY AND PROBABLY DOESN'T PUSH FOR A DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA.
SO FOR THE REMAINDER OF JUNE, I WAITED FOR THAT OFFER OR COUNTEROFFER TO COME BACK IN FOR THE CITY.
AND I KNOW HOW STAFF IS AND VERY, VERY BUSY.
RECEIVED THAT OFFER ON JULY 7TH FROM SHERMAN.
NANCY REACHED OUT TO THE APPRAISERS TO CLARIFY THE INFORMATION.
AND AND I BELIEVE AND IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE 31 OF THE APPRAISAL, IT'S VERY SPECIFIC.
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NORTH OF THAT THAT I BELIEVE AVALON HAS UNDER CONTRACT.SO I PRESENTED A FULL PRICE OFFER, IN MY OPINION, FOR APPRAISED VALUE OF THAT PROPERTY ON JULY 19TH AT 2:00 OF $142,000, AND WAS TOLD THAT IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION.
WE SET UP A MEETING WITH THE COMMISSION TO COME BACK TO.
THEN YOU ALL SENT ME AN INVITATION FOR THE MEETING.
I WAS GETTING READY TO GO TO THE MEETING.
SO THAT WAS CANCELED AND MY EXPECTATION WAS AT LEAST THAT WOULD BE BROUGHT FORWARD.
IT HAS NOT BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD.
BUT I STILL BELIEVE THAT IN GOOD FAITH THE CITY SHOULD AT LEAST HAVE TAKEN A LOOK AT THAT OFFER, WHETHER IT WOULD BE AT THIS COUNCIL MEETING OR I'M SORRY, THIS COMMISSION OR OR A SPECIAL ONE THAT WE DID.
OKAY. HOLD ON ONE SECOND, MADAM BLUNT.
WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ON ON WHAT MR. TIMMONS JUST SAID ON HER OFFER? HAD THE COUNTEROFFER, HAD THREE DAYS TO RESPOND.
IT WAS CLOSE TO THE FIFTH TO THE 19TH.
THEN THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT SETTING UP A MEETING.
I WAS TOLD BY OUR BROKER THAT MR. TIMMONS WAS GOING TO JUST ACCEPT THE 150,000 AND SO WAS DIRECTED TO PULL THAT ITEM.
ONCE THAT ITEM WAS PULLED, ALL WE HAD WAS THE ONE OTHER ITEM ON THE AUDIT.
AND SO WE WERE BRINGING YOU THE AUDIT AT THAT POINT.
SO THERE IS SOME CONFUSION BETWEEN MR. HOWARD IS MIKE TIMMONS BROKER.
HE'S ACTING AS A DUAL TRANSACTION BROKER.
SO OUR CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN MR. HOWARD AND THEN MIKE TIMMONS, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME CONFUSION AS TO WHAT WAS SAID BETWEEN THE THREE PARTIES BECAUSE WE'RE WORKING BETWEEN MR. HOWARD. SO MR. TIMMONS HAS SUBMITTED ANOTHER PROPOSAL FOR THE 142, WHICH WE RECEIVED ON TUESDAY.
HOWEVER, THE DEADLINE WAS THURSDAY, THIS PAST THURSDAY BECAUSE WE NEEDED TO PRINT THE AGENDAS.
BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE THE TIMING OF GETTING THE AGENDAS OUT.
SO THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME INTEREST IN THE PROPERTY.
I APOLOGIZE TO MR. TIMMONS THAT THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION, BUT IN SPEAKING WITH THE ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY, WE COULD NOT ACCEPT THAT ORIGINAL 142 COUNTER OFFER BECAUSE ONE, IT WAS BEYOND THE THREE DAYS.
TWO, WE WERE TOLD BY OUR BROKER THAT HE WAS GOING TO ACCEPT THE.
150 WHEN WE DIDN'T SEE THE 150 AFTER THE MEETING WAS CANCELED.
WE WENT BACK TO HIM AND SAID, YOU'LL HAVE TO SUBMIT A NEW CONTRACT.
WHAT'S UNFORTUNATE IN THIS IS THAT WE WERE ALL TOLD THAT THE 150 WAS ACCEPTED.
RIGHT? AND SO THAT'S WHERE THE LINES OF COMMUNICATIONS BROKE, BECAUSE I DO REMEMBER THAT.
I REMEMBER THAT THAT WAS A NATIONAL DAY, NATIONAL NIGHT OUT.
AND I WAS SCHEDULED TO COME HERE, BUT IT WAS CANCELED AT THE LAST MINUTE.
SO AT THIS TIME, THANKS FOR THE BRIEF.
AND I BELIEVE THE BROKER WANTED TO ADDRESS THIS AS WELL.
SO WOULD YOU PLEASE COME BACK AND AND ADDRESS THAT? ARE YOU TRACKING THIS VICE CHAIR? ARE WE SPEAKING WELL ENOUGH INTO THE MONTH? SIR, I'M. I'M TRACKING EVERYTHING, SIR.
RIGHT, SIR. I'M TRACKING THE LINE OF COMMUNICATION.
AND I REMEMBER THAT THE MEETING WAS CANCELED AT THE NOT THE SAME DAY.
THAT IS CORRECT. THE SAME DAY? YEAH. YEAH. SO I'M TRACKING EVERYTHING, SIR.
THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.
CARRY ON, SIR. WHEN WE SUBMITTED AN OFFER AT 142, THEN THE COUNTER WAS 150.
AND SO THEN WHEN THE 150 WAS SIGNED BY THE.
THE THE CITY MANAGER, THEN WE WERE TOLD TO GO AHEAD AND RESUBMIT ANOTHER COUNTER TO THE COUNTER ON THE SAME CONTRACT, WHICH WE DID.
BUT MR. TIMMONS ONLY SUBMITTED ONE FOR 142, WHICH WAS THE SAME.
NOW WE STILL SUBMITTED IT, SO IT WAS A COUNTER TO THE COUNTER THE THURSDAY BEFORE THE MEETING,
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AND I UNDERSTOOD THAT THERE WAS A NATIONAL DAY THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WANTED TO GO TO AND ALL THAT.BUT THE THURSDAY BEFORE, I TOLD MR. TIMMONS AND I MIGHT HAVE GONE WAY OVER THE LINE TO DO THIS, I SAID, LISTEN, YOUR BEST INTEREST IS TO BUY IT AT 150.
IF YOU DO IT FOR 150, I CAN ALWAYS RESELL IT FOR YOU AT A HIGHER PRICE.
AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, AND I'VE NEVER DONE THIS IN 22 YEARS, I'LL DO IT FOR FREE.
SO I GAVE THEM A REALLY GOOD OPTION TO GO AHEAD AND DO IT, BUT.
I THEN SENT HIM THE CONTRACT TO SIGN AT 150, AND THAT WAS THE THURSDAY BEFORE THE MEETING.
I GOT A CONFIRMATION FROM HIM VERBALLY THAT HE WOULD SIGN AT 150 AND I'M NOT TRYING TO PUSH HIM UNDER THE BUS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. NOW, THERE WAS A.
I THINK MR. TIMMONS STILL WANTED TO COME TO A MEETING, BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANY CAUSE FOR THE MEETING.
I WAS OUT OF TOWN, SO I TOLD NANCY TO CANCEL THE MEETING IF THERE WAS A MISCOMMUNICATION ON THAT.
THERE WON'T THAT WON'T HAPPEN EVER AGAIN.
HE WAS UPSET. I DIDN'T GET ONE EITHER, BUT THAT'S HOW ALL THAT HAPPENED.
SO WE KIND OF UNDERSTOOD THAT, HEY, YOU'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND SIGN IT AT 150.
AND THEN THERE WAS NO REASON FOR A MEETING.
THAT I KNEW OF. SO AS FAR AS YOU'RE CONCERNED, HE UNDERSTOOD THAT THE PRICE WAS 150.
YES, SIR. HE TOLD ME THAT HE WOULD SIGN IT AT 150.
BUT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE HE HAD A CHANGE OF HEART OR WHATEVER HAPPENED AFTER THAT.
BUT I WAS TOLD HE WAS GOING TO SIGN IT AT 150.
I BEGGED HIM TO, SO MAYBE I COERCED THEM TO DO IT.
BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS I TOLD THEM, LISTEN, IT'S IN YOUR BEST INTEREST TO BUY THIS.
AND I DON'T SEE IT SOLD AT 142.
YOU HAD YOU HAD A COUPLE OF APPRAISALS THAT WERE LATER GIVEN TO TO YOU AT 150 BECAUSE THE APPRAISER SEPARATED THOSE TWO ITEMS, AND THE PRICE FOR THEM SEPARATED WAS 150.
AND I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND MR. TIMMONS POINT THAT WHEN THEY ORIGINALLY WERE APPRAISED TWO MONTHS BEFORE IT CAME OUT AT 142.
HE FELT THAT THEY WERE ONLY WORTH 142.
HOLD ON ONE SECOND. I HAVEN'T MADE A COMMENT TO NANCY, BUT THAT IT'S IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY TO BUY IT AT 142.
I GOT A LOT OF TROUBLE FOR THAT BECAUSE SHE SAID, ARE YOU WORKING FOR THE CITY OF PALM BAY OR ARE YOU WORKING FOR MR. TIMMONS? AND I SAID, I'M WORKING FOR BOTH.
I'M A TRANSACTION BROKER, BUT AS I SEE IT AS A VISION, I WANTED PALM BAY TO TAKE IT AT 142 AND MOVE ON AND GET THIS DONE. HOWEVER, IT'S NOT ME, IT'S WHAT YOU WANT AND IT'S WHAT THE CLIENT WANTS.
SO THAT'S HOW ALL THAT CAME OUT.
NOTHING. NOTHING WRONG INTENDED WAS EVER.
I'M GOING TO ALLOW YOU TO TO TO SPEAK AGAIN, MR. TIMMONS, BECAUSE YOU HAD SOME CONCERNS YOU WANT TO SHARE FROM THERE, BUT COME TO THE TO THE LECTERN AND SHARE.
AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO REALLY HASH THIS OUT ANYMORE, ESPECIALLY IN A PUBLIC FORUM LIKE THIS.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE APPRAISAL COMBINED PROPERTIES AT THE TIME WAS 142,000 AND THAT'S WHAT I THAT'S WHAT I SAID AND IT WASN'T ABOUT 8000.
AND YEAH, EVERYBODY'S PUSHING ME JUST TO SIGN FOR THE 8000.
SO BUT THE WRONG INFORMATION IS OUT THERE AND I CONTINUE THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING YOU HAD, MR. BATTEN GETS UP AND CONGRATULATES THE COUNCIL FOR DOING SUCH A GREAT JOB, HOW I'M OVERPAYING FOR EVERYTHING.
COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ISSUE IN THE TIME.
AND THAT WAS THE VACATION OF THE LAND THAT WE'RE STILL TRYING TO GET THROUGH A YEAR LATER.
I WAS PROBABLY THAT CAME IN AT THE SAME TIME WITH PROBABLY A BIT FRUSTRATED AND SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT? I'M GOING TO STICK IT WHERE I FEEL IS A FAIR VALUE.
AND SO I WAITED. IN MY MIND, I SAID, I WILL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AT THE BCA MEETING.
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THE MEETING DIDN'T COME AND THE MEETING WAS CANCELED.SO IN MY MIND IT WAS AT LEAST I WOULD BE ABLE TO SAY THIS IS WHAT I BELIEVE IS FAIR.
THIS IS WHAT I BELIEVE THE APPRAISED VALUE IS.
NANCY WENT BACK TO THE APPRAISER.
THEY SAID, WELL, MAYBE WE THOUGHT ABOUT SUBDIVIDING, DIVIDING IT.
YES, IT ADDS UP NOW WHEN IT WENT BACK TO 150.
BUT COLLECTIVELY, EVEN TODAY, THEY ARE APPRAISING THAT PROPERTY 142 COLLECTIVELY.
SO. BEFORE YOU LEAVE, SIR, I HAVE A DIRECT QUESTION AND I HEARD.
SO I WANT TO ASK YOU DIRECTLY IN YOUR MIND.
YOU NEVER AGREE TO THE $150,000? NO, NO.
LET ME LOOK AT IT. IF I DID, I WOULDN'T HAVE I WOULDN'T HAVE TOLD MR. FILIBERTO AT THE MEETING THAT, HEY, I'M GOING TO A MEETING TONIGHT.
I WOULD HAVE JUST SIGNED IT AND BEEN DONE WITH IT.
OKAY. I BELIEVE THAT WE ARE HAVING A MEETING TO DISCUSS IT AND.
WELL, I APPRECIATE WHAT WE TALK ABOUT IT.
WAS HE GOING ON VACATION? ABSOLUTELY. I KNEW YOU HAD SOMETHING TO DO.
I KNEW IT WAS A AND I HAVE THE EMAIL JUST LEAVE THAT PEOPLE WEREN'T HAPPY ABOUT THE MEETING BUT NO, I DIDN'T AGREE TO SIGN IT AT 150.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
SO WHO IS HERE THAT INTENDS TO PURCHASE THIS PROPERTY? WOULD YOU PLEASE STEP FORWARD? AND WHO ELSE IS IT? JUST. IS THAT BOTH YOU? YOU COULD BRING THE LECTERN DOWN, SIR.
WHAT IS IT? KARL? BRUNO. HOW ARE YOU, SIR? I'M DOING FINE, THANK YOU.
AND GOOD EVENING TO EVERYBODY.
THANK YOU. JUST LIKE, I BELIEVE, LIKE FEW DAYS AGO, I LOOK OVER THE INTERNET TO FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THOSE MEETINGS.
AND I DO SEE HOW THE THINGS WHAT'S GOING ON AND THE FACT THAT YOU GUYS WANT TO BUY TO SELL BOTH OF THEM AT THE SAME TIME, WHICH MY WIFE AND I ARE REGIME.
BUT I DON'T. JUST LIKE YOU MENTIONED, I DON'T BELIEVE WE REALLY INTENDED TO BUY THAT 150.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TRUE OR NOT, SO TO SPEAK, BUT WE WE OFFER.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
ANYTHING ELSE? ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN? HOLD ON. A FEW OF THE GENTLEMEN, MR. CARL. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. IF YOU WANT TO PURCHASE.
WHAT IS YOUR INTENT? HOW DO YOU HOW ARE YOU GOING TO USE IT? WE ARE GOING WE PLAN ON PUTTING SOME LUCK, EITHER SOME KIND OF RETAIL STORE AND OFFICES.
LIKE FOR MYSELF, I AM A BIBLICAL COUNSELOR AND I HAVE AN OFFICE IN MELBOURNE.
YOU DON'T NEED THAT MUCH SPACE.
AND THEN THE PEOPLE WILL COME.
LIKE YOU SEE SO MANY SMALL OFFICES THAT CAN OCCUPY.
OKAY. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OFFICES AND RETAIL STORES.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THE CONTRACTS FOR 130.
ALL RIGHT. HE'S CORRECT. CARRY ON, MAN.
PUT THAT. I DON'T THINK VICE CHAIRMAN HEARD YOU, NANCY.
FOR THE TWO PROPERTIES. FOR BOTH PROPERTIES.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU.
THANKS FOR COMING UP. I APPRECIATE THAT.
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SO, COUNSELOR, WHAT WE HAVE HERE ARE.YES, MA'AM. LAST ONE, WHICH IS ROBERTO BROWN.
HE WAS NOT ABLE TO MAKE IT, BUT HE DID PROVIDE A CONCEPTUAL.
SO HE IS PROPOSING TO COMMERCIAL TWO STOREY BUILDINGS USING SHIPPING CONTAINERS.
SO SHIPPING CONTAINER SHIPPING CONTAINERS, THEN SHIPPING ON THE SHIP? YES. SO MY ONLY CONCERN WITH THIS IS THAT BECAUSE IT'S ON THE BAYFRONT, IT PROBABLY WILL HAVE TO HAVE THE 150 WIND LOAD REQUIREMENT AND TYPICALLY YOUR SHIPPING CONTAINERS DO NOT MATCH.
VIRGINIA, SO HE MAY NOT BE AWARE OF THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE.
SO I'M NOT REALLY SURE IF HE WOULD HAVE TO DO SOME DUE DILIGENCE TO SEE IF THAT WOULD REALLY WORK.
BUT THIS IS WHAT HE IS PROPOSING TO DO.
ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL OF STAFF.
I THINK I HAD A I HAVE A QUESTION OF THE CITY ATTORNEY.
S. I'M GLAD YOU CAN HEAR ME, MA'AM.
SO WHAT WE HAVE AND FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, AND I'LL LET COUNSEL WEIGH IN.
AND SOMEHOW THAT COMMUNICATION FAILED.
AND IN OUR EYES, AT LEAST IN MY EYES, WHEN THAT MEETING WAS CANCELED, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THE NEGOTIATION WAS ALREADY ACCEPTED AT THAT PRICE.
MY QUESTION IS, DO WE CAN WE STILL ENTERTAIN THE.
THE CONTRACT THAT WE HAD WITH MR. TIMMONS. AT THIS TIME BEING THAT THERE'S A LACK THERE WAS A THERE WAS A BREAK IN COMMUNICATIONS BETWEEN OUR BROKER AND SUCH.
IS THAT LEGAL TO ENTERTAIN HIS COMMENTS TODAY FOR THAT THE PROPERTY.
IT'S NOT AS THOUGH WE'RE CONTINUING ON BECAUSE THAT IS GONE.
IT'S ALMOST AS IF YOU'RE DOING AN AGENDA REVISION, ESSENTIALLY BRINGING ALTHOUGH IT WAS LATE, YOU ALREADY KNOW THE OTHER TERMS FOR IT AND YOU'RE BRINGING IT FORTH AND CONSIDERING WITH THE OTHER CONTRACTS.
I WOULD SAY IT'S MORE OF LIKE THAT.
YOU KNOW THAT SHIP, NOT THAT IT'S COMPLETELY SAILED, BUT THE COUNTEROFFER WASN'T EXCEPT.
THERE WAS SOME MISMATCHES. BUT IF, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY WE HAVE OTHER TIMES WHERE SOMEBODY WILL BRING SOMETHING LATE, YOU DIDN'T MAKE THE AGENDA, BUT YOU KIND OF SEE WHETHER IT WILL REALLY CAUSE ANY PREJUDICE OR HARM.
IN A SENSE, IT HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY PUBLICIZED.
THE CONTENTS, IF YOU ALL WANT IT TO CONSIDER IT, YOU KNOW THAT ALONG WITH THE OTHERS.
I THINK THIS COMMISSION CERTAINLY COULD DO SO BECAUSE IF YOU FOUND THAT THERE CERTAINLY WAS NO PREJUDICE OR HARM BEING THAT YOU'VE ALREADY HAD THAT PROPOSAL OUT BEFORE.
SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MS. WEINBERG MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. TIMMONS. I JUST WANTED TO GET THIS OFFICIAL THAT ARE YOU WILLING TO PAY $150,000 FOR BOTH PROPERTIES? I'M WILLING TO PAY $142,000 FOR THE PROPERTY.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
KEEP FINISHING. WE'LL PAY THE APPRAISED VALUE FOR THE PROPERTY.
THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, MAYOR.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. SO I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM HERE, STARTING WITH ROBERTO AND CLAUDIA WILMS. ARE THEY ALSO LOOKING TO BUY BOTH PIECES OF PROPERTY OR ONLY ONE? WE WON FOR 62.
AND THEN THOMAS DARYL CRUMBLES, AS WAS LOOKING TO BUY BOTH PIECES OF PROPERTY.
FOR. AND THEN CARL AND REGINA BRUNO, WHO JUST WHO JUST CAME UP.
THEY'RE WILLING TO BUY BOTH PIECES OF PROPERTY FOR 150.
CORRECT. EVEN THOUGH THE CONTRACT IN FRONT HERE IS ONLY SHOWING FOR ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY.
ON THE MIC, ALTHOUGH THE CONTRACT IN FRONT OF ME IS ONLY SHOWING FOR ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY.
WE DID AN AGENDA REVISION BECAUSE IT WAS MISSED AND AS PART OF THE PACKAGE THERE ISN'T.
BROWN ALSO ASKED FOR THE TWO PROPERTIES.
THANK YOU FOR ME COMMENT AS WELL.
YOU ONLY WANT. WELL, I WANTED TO ASK ANOTHER QUESTION OF MR.
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TIMMINS BECAUSE AND I THOUGHT MR. WEINBERG WAS GOING DOWN THAT PATH.THAT'S WHY AS LONG AS I DIDN'T I DIDN'T INTERVENE, I'M GOING TO.
YEAH, I THINK IT'S PART OF PART OF THE DISCUSSION.
MR. TIMMONS, WOULD YOU PLEASE APPROACH? AND I KNOW THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE ASKING OTHER OTHER PURCHASERS WHAT THEIR INTENT IS OF THE PROPERTY.
WHAT IS YOUR INTENT OF THE PROPERTY? MY INTENT IS TO BUILD A DOWNTOWN DESTINATION FOR PALM BAY.
I MEAN, IT'S IT'S BEEN MY INTENT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE GUTTER KING.
IT'S IT'S IT'S A VACANT, ABANDONED BUILDING.
SO IS THE BIG HOUSE NEXT TO IT.
BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HUNDREDS OF THOUSAND ON PROPERTIES THAT I'M PAYING MORE FOR.
AND. AND I'LL GET THE CONVENIENCE STORE AND I'LL, YOU KNOW, AND I'LL BUILD A DOWNTOWN AREA IF THE CITY IS IF THAT'S WHAT THE CITY IS LOOKING FOR AS WELL.
I MEAN, I NEED A PARTNER IN THIS AND IT CAN'T BE ABOUT PEOPLE GETTING UP AND COUNCIL MEETINGS.
WHEN I'M WATCHING YOU GUYS ON TV SAYING, CONGRATULATIONS, YOU GOT MR. TIMMONS AGAIN. HE OVERPAID AGAIN.
HE OVERPAID AGAIN. AND IT'S THE THIRD TIME ON THIS.
SO I WILL PAY THE APPRAISED VALUE.
I READ IT AGAIN, WHAT THE BAYFRONT VILLAGE WILL LOOK LIKE.
YOU KNOW, I'VE MET WITH WITH WITH FRIENDS AND PARTNERS OF MINE IN FORT LAUDERDALE THAT, YOU KNOW, AND WE HAVE SOME PRETTY, PRETTY INTERESTING IDEAS AND FUN IDEAS FOR IT.
BUT IT DOES IT'S NOT INEXPENSIVE.
IT'S AN ASSEMBLAGE OF PROPERTIES AND IT'S NOT EASY.
SO AND IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT I BOUGHT, I HAVE OTHER PROPERTIES IN, IN, IN ESCROW.
THANK YOU, SIR. AND I APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS.
MR. FILIBERTO. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. ANOTHER QUESTION FOR FOR NANCY.
WHEN MR. TIMMONS PUT IN HIS OR GAVE BACK HIS OFFER FOR 142, WAS THERE ANY OTHER OFFERS ON THE TABLE FROM ANYBODY ELSE? NO, BECAUSE WE WERE IN A PROCESS OF THE COUNTEROFFER, SO WE WEREN'T ACCEPTING ANY OFFERS.
SO YOU WEREN'T ACCEPTING ANY OFFERS EVEN GOING BEFORE THEN AND MR. TIMMONS PUT IN HIS OFFER, WAS ANY OFFERS FOR ANYBODY FROM ANYBODY ELSE REGARDING THE TWO PROPERTIES? THERE'S ONLY WAS THE ONLY COMMUNICATION BETWEEN YOU AND MR. TIMMONS. WELL, WE HAD WILL MISS AND HUMBLENESS.
I THINK IT WAS ONE MORE AND I'M TALKING BEFORE THEN.
EVEN BEFORE THEN I'M NOT, NOT THIS MEETING BUT THREE OR FOUR MEETINGS AGO WHEN HE ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED WHEN HE ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED IT WAS THREE OTHER OFFERS, I THINK ONLY ONE OF THEM.
SPRING. NO SNOW HAD OFFERED ON BOTH PROPERTIES FROM LISTS, AND WILLIE'S ONLY HAD 1608.
ALL RIGHT. SO ON THE MEETING THAT WAS CANCELED, THESE THESE FOUR ITEMS WOULD HAVE BEEN HERE.
NO, ONLY MR. TIMMONS. THE COUNTEROFFER WOULD HAVE BEEN A COUNTEROFFER.
MAYOR, I'M NOT LIKING WHAT HAPPENED HERE.
I'M REALLY NOT. AND I FEEL LIKE THAT MR..
MR. TIMMONS GOT SHAFTED A LITTLE BIT.
I'M BEING I'M BEING REAL WITH YOU GUYS.
AND THE MORE I ASK QUESTIONS, THE MORE I'M GETTING CONFUSED AND I'M GETTING A LITTLE IRRITATED.
THERE'S NO THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT SOMEBODY SCREWED UP.
AND I'M A LITTLE A LITTLE UPSET ABOUT IT, ESPECIALLY WITH HOW MUCH MONEY MR. TIMMONS IS INVESTED INTO THE CITY OF PALM BAY AND HOW HE WAS NEGLECTED LIKE THIS.
SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY, SIR.
I'M A BIT PERTURBED, TOO, SIR, BUT WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE US IS SOMETHING.
AND I LIKE WHAT MR. TIMMONS SAID. HE SAID HE'S BEEN ON THIS TREK FOR MANY, MANY MONTHS, AND WE CAN ALL ATTEST TO THAT.
INITIALLY, I KNOW HE PURCHASED THE MARINA, SO.
MY THOUGHTS ARE ARE ALIGNED WITH YOURS, SIR.
MY. MY THOUGHTS, MR. FILIBERTO, ARE.
THERE'S. THERE WAS A BREAKDOWN IN COMMUNICATIONS.
I DO BELIEVE THAT THE VISION OF THE DOWNTOWN.
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MR. TIMMONS VISION.I REALLY DO. AND SO THE QUESTION THIS COUNCIL HAS TO ASK ITSELF, IS IT WORTH $8,000? FOR ME, THE VISION IS GREATER THAN THE 8000 AND THAT I'M PUTTING MYSELF OUT THERE.
I TRULY BELIEVE THAT WE ALL HAVE THE VISION.
I KNOW IT WAS PRIOR AND THE VICE CHAIRMAN ALLUDED TO THAT EARLIER, BUT WE ALL DISCUSSED THIS ON THIS DAIS, IN PARTICULAR WHEN MR. TIMMONS PURCHASED THE MARINA AND THE VISION OF ATTRACTING PEOPLE DOWNTOWN OR PEOPLE TO THAT MARINA AND AMPHITHEATER, IF YOU REMEMBER, WITH A RESTAURANT AND WE DISCUSSED I KNOW THAT YOU WERE BIG ON WHICH RESTAURANT YOU WANTED TO HAVE THERE.
SO AS FOR ME, GENTLEMEN, I BELIEVE THAT THE VISION, AGAIN, IS GREATER THAN THE 8000.
I KNOW WE ARE TALKING ABOUT VISION AT 142.
AND ALSO IT WAS CLEAR THAT WHATEVER YOU OFFER NOW IS STILL LIKE THE APPRAISED VALUE.
I WASN'T ABLE TO PUT MY BID ON BECAUSE EVERYTHING WAS CLOSED.
BUT NOW WE ARE STARTING OVER, AND I'M BETTING ON 50.
THANK YOU. AND WE APPRECIATE THAT.
THANK YOU FOR WANTING TO INVEST IN OUR CITY.
THANK YOU. VICE CHAIR, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO YOU BECAUSE I CAN'T MAKE A VISUAL OF YOU.
DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? YES. YES, FAIR ENOUGH.
AND THE DIRECTION I WAS LEANING, LEANING IN, ESPECIALLY HEARING EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON.
AND, YOU KNOW, AS WE KNOW, WE'RE ALL GOING THROUGH STRATEGIC PLANNING FOR THE CITY.
BUT I KNOW I'VE HEARD MULTIPLE TIMES FROM SEVERAL OF MY COLLEAGUES.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I MY MY THOUGHT PROCESS AND I GUESS I.
CARLINO MISS PATRICIA, I'M LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, JUST STARTING FRESH AND REJECTING ALL PROPOSALS FOR MAKING SURE THAT WE GIVE CLEAR, CONCISE DIRECTION, THAT WITH THIS PROPERTY AND FUTURE PROPERTIES OVER IN THIS AREA, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT A DOWNTOWN PALM BAY VISION.
YOU KNOW, I HEAR HEAR HOW COUNCIL'S TALKED IN REGARDS TO WITH MR. TIMMONS AND EVERYTHING. BUT IN REGARDS TO KEEPING THE PROCESS CLEAN AND CONCISE, I THINK IT WOULD BE BEST GOING, JUST STARTING FRESH AND REJECTING ALL PROPOSALS. BUT AS MR. PATRICIA SAYS SOMETHING OTHERWISE, THEN I'M DEFINITELY WILLING TO LISTEN AND ADHERE TO THAT.
MADAM ATTORNEY. SHE'S GETTING PLUGGED IN RIGHT NOW, SIR, BECAUSE SHE HAS TO USE YOUR MIC.
CERTAINLY YOU CAN REJECT ALL PROPOSALS.
I'M JUST NOT SURE WHAT THAT GETS YOU.
SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS RIGHT NOW, RIGHT NOW, MR. TIMMONS PROPOSAL ISN'T ON THE AGENDA.
IT'S ON. OR WHOEVER ELSE MIGHT HAVE A DOWNTOWN PALM BAY VISION.
THERE ARE PROPOSALS NOT ON THE AGENDA RIGHT NOW.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT NOW.
SO CAN WE JUST GO WITH THE PROPOSAL, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA OR.
CAN I. CAN YOU CLARIFY SOMETHING? I'M SORRY, MADAM BUTTON, AND I APOLOGIZE.
WE NORMALLY WORK WITH ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY RODNEY EDWARDS.
SO. SO AT THE POINT THAT WE BELIEVED THAT STAFF BELIEVE THAT HE WAS GOING TO PROVIDE US THE HE WAS GOING TO SIGN THE $150,000 CONTRACT, WE CANCELED THE MEETING.
AND THEN WHEN MEL CAME BACK FROM VACATION, I CALLED HIM AND I SAID, I HAVEN'T SEEN THE CONTRACT.
SO I WAS THINKING IT WAS IN MEL'S EMAIL BOX.
AND SO MEL TALKED TO MIKE AND HE DID NOT SIGN THE CONTRACT.
HE WANTED TO GO BACK TO THE 142,000 COUNTEROFFER.
WHEN I CALLED THE ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY BECAUSE WE CANCELED THE MEETING BASED ON THE FACT THAT HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO SUBMIT THE 150, WE WERE ALREADY NOW, LIKE 32 DAYS LATER WHEN IT WAS ONLY A THREE DAY COUNTER OFFER.
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ACCEPT NEW OFFERS, WHICH IS WHY WE OPENED IT BACK UP AND ACCEPTED NEW OFFERS THIS ENTIRE TIME.WE IT HAS BEEN RELAYED FROM THE COMMERCIAL BROKER TO MIKE TIMMONS TO SUBMIT A NEW OFFER TO OPEN.
I KNOW THAT JONES AND CARLA BROWN, THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, SAID TO MIKE, IF YOU WANT TO SUBMIT A NEW OFFER FOR THE 142, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO SUBMIT IT FOR, SUBMIT A NEW OFFER.
BECAUSE BASED ON WHAT ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY EDWARDS SAID TO US IS, IT WAS BEYOND THE THREE DAYS.
HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO SIGN THE 150, BUT HE DIDN'T.
AND SO WE WOULD JUST START WITH AND THAT'S HOW WE ACCEPTED THE NEW OFFERS.
SO IT WASN'T UNTIL TUESDAY THAT HE SUBMITTED THE OFFER.
HOWEVER, WE CLOSED IT ON THURSDAY AND SO ALL OF THE PROSPECTIVE BUYERS KNEW ABOUT IT.
WE ALSO HAVE ANOTHER BUYER WHO WAS INTERESTED IN IT AND HE ALSO MISSED THE DEADLINE.
SO THERE ARE OTHER BUYERS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN THE DOWNTOWN, IN THE IN BOTH OF THESE PROPERTIES.
WHEN WAS IT THAT YOU SPOKE WITH MR. TIMMONS? I DIDN'T SPEAK TO MR. TIMMONS. DIRECT JOHN COLIN BROWN.
WAS IT THE DAY OF THE DEADLINE? YES. THE DAY OF THE DEADLINE.
OKAY. MR. TIMMONS, DID YOU WANT TO RESPOND TO THAT? WHY? WHY YOU DIDN'T WHY YOU DIDN'T MAKE THE DEADLINE? JUST. JUST LET ME KNOW.
LET US KNOW WHY YOU GET EVERYTHING IN THE TIMELINE CLEAR.
AT THE MEETING, I SUBMITTED AN OFFER OF $140,000.
YOU GUYS CAME BACK TO ME AT THE 150 WHICH.
WHICH YOU WERE TOLD WAS THE APPRAISED VALUE ON 77.
I RECEIVED THE OFFER, WHICH WAS THREE WEEKS LATER, THE COUNTEROFFER FROM FROM THE CITY.
THEY WENT BACK TO THE APPRAISER AND IT CAME AT 142 ON 717 AT 2:00 IN THE AFTERNOON.
AND YOU HAVE IT IN YOUR EMAIL BECAUSE YOU SAID THAT YOU HAVE RECEIVED IT.
YOU AS A AS THE CITY RECEIVED AN OFFER FROM ME FOR 142,000 FOR THE THING.
AND THE THREE DAYS GOING BACK AND FORTH, I DIDN'T HOLD YOU TO THREE DAYS.
THAT'S THAT'S I'M HOPING THAT WE DON'T WORK THAT WAY, CERTAINLY AS A CITY.
SO YOU HAVE YOU'VE HAD THE OFFER SINCE 717 AT 2:00 IN THE AFTERNOON.
SO TO CONTINUE TO KEEP PUTTING OFFERS FOR THE SAME AMOUNT MAKES NO SENSE.
YOU HAVE THE OFFER AND AND WHETHER IT GOT ON THE AGENDA OR NOT IS NOT AN ISSUE FOR ME.
I GET YOUR ARGUMENT, MR. TIMMONS. HOWEVER, RIGHT NOW, WE CAN'T EVEN ENTERTAIN IT BECAUSE IT WAS CLOSED.
I APOLOGIZE. MY MY WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET IS IF IF WE DON'T ACCEPT ANY OF THESE, THAT'S A BIG IF, RIGHT? WILL YOU BE ABLE TO SUBMIT ANOTHER OFFER? THE OFFER, BECAUSE WHAT I'M HEARING IS YOU CAN'T GO WITH THE OFFER THAT YOU SUBMITTED IN JULY.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TRACKING SO FAR.
I KNOW THAT IN YOUR MIND THAT YOUR.
WAS THERE AN OFFER? YES. WAS THERE AN OFFER SUBMITTED TUESDAY? YES. WHEN WHEN I WHEN I SAW THAT I WAS NOT ON THE AGENDA, I SAID, WHY IS THAT? I HAVE AN OFFER IN.
SO YOU HAD AN OFFER IN PRIOR TO THE DEADLINE? YOU HAD AN OFFER IN SINCE JULY 17TH AT 2:00.
AND I SAID, WELL, IF THAT'S THE CASE, I'LL SUBMIT ANOTHER ONE.
THEN THEY SAID, NOPE, IT'S TOO LATE.
IT'S LIKE, OKAY, THEN I WILL ASK THE SAME BEFORE YOU WOULDN'T BE CONSIDERING THE COUNTER OFFER.
I AGREE THE COUNTER OFFER IS DEAD.
WHAT YOU WOULD BE DOING IS CONSIDERING YES, HE WAS BEYOND THE AGENDA DEADLINE.
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ACTUALLY WANT TO CONSIDER SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T MAKE THE AGENDA AND WHICH IS WHAT I WAS TELLING YOU AS FAR AS THE PREJUDICE OR HARM, IF IT'S THE EXACT SAME THING THAT IT WAS ESSENTIALLY BEFORE YOU'VE SEEN IT, YOU'RE NOT CONSIDERING THE OUTLINE.WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS DECIDING WHETHER YOU'RE GOING TO ALLOW AGENDA REVISION A LOT.
YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T MAKE THE IRREGULAR AGENDA.
IT CAME AFTER THE FACT AND YOU DECIDE WHETHER YOU'RE GOING TO CONSIDER IT.
YOU'RE NOT GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL ONE THAT IS DEAD, BUT THE ONE FOR TUESDAY.
THAT'S UP TO YOU WHETHER YOU WANT TO CONSIDER IT.
MR.. WEINBERG YEAH, A COUPLE OF THINGS.
HOWEVER, ANOTHER IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION, THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS COMMISSION OF THIS OF THIS AGENCY IS IS OUR VISION OF WHAT WE WANT THE BAYFRONT TO BE. AND IT IS IT HAS BEEN I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW MR. TIMMS. I HAPPEN TO BE AN APPRAISER BY PROFESSION, SO I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.
IT IT IS BENEFICIAL NOT ONLY TO THE DEVELOPER, BUT ALSO TO THE CITY TO HAVE MUCH OF THAT PROPERTY OWNED BY THE SAME COMPANY AT THE SAME DEVELOPER. EXACTLY.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN THEY CAN SHARE OUR VISION OF WHAT WE WANT IN THE BAYFRONT.
YOU STILL COME BEFORE THIS, YOU KNOW, THE CITY COUNCIL TO BE APPROVED.
SO I THINK IT CERTAINLY IS BENEFICIAL TO THE CITY.
YOU KNOW, HE'S ALREADY BOUGHT THE MARINA PROPERTY.
HE'S BUYING SEVERAL OTHER PROPERTIES.
I THINK IT WOULD BE MOST BENEFICIAL TO THE CITY AND TO THIS AGENCY AS WELL TO TO ACCEPT MR. TIMMONS OFFER FOR 142 FOR THESE PROPERTIES.
AND WE MAKE A MOTION FOR THAT.
MADAM ATTORNEY, I HAVE A MOTION.
SORRY. I GOT A MOTION BY MR. WEINBERG TO ACCEPT THE 142,000.
MAYOR FOR THE PROPERTY? YES, MA'AM. I JUST WANT TO.
DO WE ACTUALLY HAVE A WRITTEN OFFER? OK PERCY.
YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. GET ON THE MIC, SIR.
VICE MAYOR. I MEAN, NOT VICE MAYOR.
VICE CHAIR. I DID HAVE A REQUEST AS WE MAKE THAT MOTION TO ADD THAT THE DIRECTION THAT THE COUNCIL AND THIS BOARD WANT FOR THIS PARTICULAR AREA THAT WAS NOT MENTIONED IN THE MOTION.
ARE YOU WILLING TO AMEND THE MOTION REQUEST? ARE YOU WILLING TO AMEND THE MOTION? MR.. WEINBERG YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WOULD STILL HAVE TO GO.
OKAY, SO HOLD ON A SECOND, MR. FILIBERTO, YOU WANT TO WITHDRAW YOUR MOTION? WITHDRAW YOUR SECOND? YES.
THE SECOND MOTION IS AMENDED AS AS REQUESTED.
OKAY. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? OKAY.
I GOT A MOTION BY MR. WEINBERG AND SECONDED BY MR. FILIBERTO. LET'S HAVE DISCUSSION NOW, GENTLEMEN.
THANK YOU, SIR. IT'S HARD FOR ME WHEN I CAN'T MAKE A VISUAL.
I USUALLY HAVE YOU RIGHT NEXT TO ME.
AND I SEE YOUR FACE. THE NEXT ONE THAT WENT FOR THE MIC WAS.
YOU KNOW. MR. TIMMONS, I DON'T NEED YOU TO RESPOND TO WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY.
YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN 100% WITH YOU FROM DAY ONE AND ALL MY VOTES.
AND BECAUSE I BELIEVE YOU SEE OUR VISION IN THE BAYFRONT.
I THINK I WENT WITH THE I RECALL.
WHEN WE HAD THE HEARING ABOUT THIS, AND I THINK I SIDED WITH YOU.
AM I CORRECT? ON THIS BECAUSE I BELIEVE YOU'VE GOT A LOT MORE SKIN IN THE GAME.
THE. MAKE THE CITY VISION COME FORWARD.
AS A DOWNTOWN, YOU BOUGHT THE MARINA AND THAT WAS A HUGE INVESTMENT.
I THINK MISCOMMUNICATION HAPPENED.
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I THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE ANOTHER SHOT AT IT.THE GENTLEMAN THAT SPOKE, MR. BRUNO. I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU.
TO ME, IT'S NOT ABOUT 150 OR 142.
IT'S ABOUT THE VISION OF WHAT WE WANT TO ACHIEVE.
I'VE BEEN IN THIS COMMUNITY A LONG TIME IN THIS BAYFRONT IS WE GOT TO GET IT RIGHT.
GOT TO GET IT RIGHT. AND I THINK WE'RE IN THAT RIGHT DIRECTION WITH YOU.
NOTHING AGAINST YOU, MR. BRUNO. I WISH YOU CONTINUED TO TRY TO INVEST IN PALM BAY.
AND WE'RE COMING TOWARDS THE END OF OUR.
CRAY. SO WE GOT TO GET IT RIGHT AND WE DON'T HAVE MUCH TIME TO DO GET IT RIGHT.
SO I'M GOING TO GO I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS MOTION.
THANK YOU. I KNOW THAT YOU WERE GRABBING THE MIC, COUNCILMAN, OR MR. FOSTER. AND AND THE PROPER THING FOR ME TO HAVE DONE IS TO THE GENTLEMAN THAT MADE THE MOTION IS.
THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. YOU KNOW, IT'S I DON'T REALLY NEED TO ADD ANYTHING.
AS I SAID, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S ADVANTAGEOUS TO TO OUR BAYFRONT ADVANTAGEOUS TO THIS THIS AGENCY, ADVANTAGEOUS TO THE CITY, THAT THAT MUCH OF THIS PROPERTY IS UNDER THE CONTROL OF ONE DEVELOPER WHO CAN SHARE THE SAME VISION AS THE CITY.
SO THAT'S WHY I MADE THE MOTION, AND THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO ACCEPT.
NO ADDITIONAL COMMENT. THANK YOU, CHAIR.
SIR, I THINK WE'RE ALL ON BOARD.
I'M A MR. MR. FELIX COMMISSIONER.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. AS MUCH AS I AGREE WITH JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING, MY COLLEAGUE.
A CHAIR. MR. TIMMINS, I THINK YOU'RE A GREAT PARTNER.
BUT I ALSO BELIEVE IN IN FAIRNESS, I ALSO BELIEVE IN.
I HATE THE FACT THAT IT COMES TO THAT WHERE.
WE AT THAT POINT, WHETHER IT'S ALL BROKER, I'M SURE IT WASN'T INTENDED FROM STAFF AND THE BROKER AND SO ON. BUT I ALSO BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE OTHER INTERESTED PARTY.
WE SHOULD HEAR THEM. WE SHOULD GIVE THEM A FAIR SHOT AS WELL.
IT SHOULD CERTAINLY BE CONSIDERED AND CERTAINLY YOU SAID IT EARLIER, IT'S NOT ABOUT $8,000.
I MEAN, EITHER WHICH WAY, IT'S IN ABOUT $8,000.
I'M JUST NOT QUITE SURE WHY $8,000 IS BEEN PART OF THE CONVERSATION.
I DON'T THINK WE GOT ONE UP ON YOU.
AND LIKE WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER.
I BELIEVE YOU GOT YOU CERTAINLY GOT A BETTER DEAL.
AND THAT THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.
AS MUCH AS I BELIEVE WHAT YOUR INTENT, WHAT YOU WANT TO DO AND WHAT YOU WILL DO.
I CAN'T SUPPORT THE 142 AND THAT THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.
THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO CONCLUDE WITH THESE COMMENTS.
INVESTING IN OUR CITY IS IMPORTANT, RIGHT? THE VISION IS IMPORTANT.
AND PART OF THAT VISION IS SOMETHING THAT WE SEE IS A PASSIONATE, IS A DOWNTOWN, IS A VIBRANT COMMUNITY BY OUR WATERFRONT IS A DESTINATION. MR. FILIBERTO ON COUNSEL SPEAKS OF.
IN THE FUTURE, WE MAY HAVE BRIGHTLINE MAKE A STOP IN PALM BAY.
WELL, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN UNLESS WE HAVE A DESTINATION FOR BRIGHT LINE TO STOP IN PALM BAY.
AND I THINK THIS IS PART OF THAT VISION.
AND YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S NOT ABOUT THE $8,000.
I DO SUPPORT THE FACT THAT AND I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, MR. FELIX, BUT THE VISION IS WE SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN HERE.
WE THIS SHOULD HAVE ALREADY BEEN TAKEN CARE OF.
AND THROUGH NO FAULT OF ANYONE ON THIS DAIS, WE'RE TRYING TO FIX THAT.
AND WE'RE TRYING TO WE'RE TRYING TO CAST THE VISION.
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MS.. MS..NORTHROP, DID YOU WANT TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS BEFORE WE PUT THIS TO A VOTE? NO, OTHER THAN I AGREE.
THE WAY WE GO ABOUT DOING THIS IS JUST CRAZY TO ME, BUT I CAN BRING THAT UP AT ANOTHER TIME.
NO, I THINK THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN LOOKING FOR PARTNERS VERSUS.
ONE OFF, PEOPLE JUST BUILDING STUFF.
NOW, EVERY SINGLE COUNCIL THAT HAS SAT HERE SAYS THAT.
SO I CAN FEEL THE FRUSTRATION.
LET'S DO SOMETHING WITH THIS AREA.
THANK YOU. WE NEED TO HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INSTEAD OF PIECEMEAL IT.
AND I FEEL BAD FOR THE BRUNO'S.
YOU KNOW, THEY OBVIOUSLY THOUGHT THIS WAS LIKE A BIDDING THING, BUT IT WAS A TIMING THING.
I THINK IT WAS JUST IT'S UNFORTUNATE, BUT.
OKAY. THANK YOU. SO I GOT A MOTION.
WE'RE CLOSE. I ALREADY HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND.
I HAVE ONE, SIR. WE ALREADY HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
I MISSED THE WEINBERG SECONDED BY MR. FILIBERTO. ALL IN FAVOR.
THANK YOU. IS THERE ITEM TWO OR THAT COMPLETES IT? THAT COMPLETES IT. ALL RIGHT.
[COMMISSIONER REPORTS]
I'LL START WITH YOU, VICE MAYOR OR VICE CHAIR? ANY. ANY COMMISSION CHAIR.THANK YOU, SIR. I'LL BE BRIEF HERE.
HEARING ALL THE DISCUSSION AND EVERYTHING FROM TODAY AND PRIOR.
I THINK THE KUDOS NEEDS TO GO TO NANCY, BUT, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO NAVIGATE EVERYTHING.
BUT I REALLY DON'T THINK SHE DID ANYTHING WRONG.
AND I THINK SHE'S DONE AN AMAZING JOB.
BUT, YOU KNOW, NAVIGATING, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL IS HARD ENOUGH, LET ALONE ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONERS ON THE VRA AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH OUR COMMERCIAL BROKER AND THE APPLICANT.
SO I THINK A KUDOS NEEDS TO GO TO HER.
WELL, THANK YOU. VICE CHAIR, DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR REPORT? YES, SIR. I'M DONE.
THANK YOU. I'LL START WITH VICKIE NORTHRUP.
ANY ANY COMMISSIONER REPORTS? NOTHING AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU, SIR.
MR.. WEINBERG. THANK YOU, CHAIR.
YEAH. I JUST WANT TO COMMEND MR. TIMMONS. I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN A KIND OF A CIRCUS AS FAR AS THE PROJECT GO, BUT I WANT TO COMMEND HIM ON HIS HIS HIS SHARING THE VISION THAT WE HAVE OF THE BAYFRONT.
AND AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO TO GOOD THINGS IN THE FUTURE.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. JUST HAD A QUESTION FOR.
UM, I WAS MENTIONING A GRANT ON US, ONE THERE FOR THE NATIONAL SCENIC BYWAY PROGRAM.
THAT'S A FEDERAL GRANT THAT'S BEEN COMING OUT.
IS THERE ANY UPDATE ON THAT GRANT? THEY SAY WE LOOKED INTO THAT.
AND YOU HEAR ME? YES. CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? YES, I DID REACH OUT TO FDOT ON THAT AND I HAVE A CONTACT THERE THAT WE'RE CONTINUING TO TALK TO.
YES, SIR. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS GRANTS CAN EXPIRE OR NOT, AND IT'S IT'S GONE BY.
I BROUGHT UP ABOUT THREE TIMES.
SO. AND ALSO, I ALSO WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO MR. TIMMONS AS WELL. I'M SORRY FOR THE TROUBLE WE PUT YOU THROUGH TONIGHT.
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SIR BRUNO, MY APOLOGY.I THINK WHAT TOOK PLACE TONIGHT IS WHAT CAN BE SEEN AS WE FAVORED ONE OVER THE OTHER.
YES. ALTHOUGH I DON'T THINK NO ONE'S NECESSARILY AT FAULT.
BUT I BELIEVE BECAUSE OF OUR MISSTEPS, IT LOOKS BAD.
IT LOOKS BAD IN OUR PROCESS AS IF WE DIDN'T HANDLE THINGS PROPERLY.
SO HERE WE HAVE A PROPERTY FOR SALE.
WE GOT OFFERS FULL OFFER AND WE END UP GIVING IT TO AT A LOWER PRICE.
AND DON'T GET ME WRONG, MR. TIMMONS, UNDERSTAND WHERE I'M COMING FROM.
BUT ALTHOUGH I STILL FEEL AS IF BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ALL MISSTEPS AND IT LOOKS BAD.
THANK YOU, MR. FOSTER. A TEACHER.
YOU KNOW. LIKE I SAID, MR. BRUNO, I WILL LET YOU.
DON'T LOSE INTEREST IN PALM BAY.
JUST MAKING A STATEMENT TO YOU, MR. TIMMINS. LIKE I SAID BEFORE.
WHAT YOU'RE DOING FOR THE CITY.
I APPRECIATE YOUR INVESTMENTS AND YOUR PARTNERS.
INVESTMENT IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.
SOMETIMES THE CITY DON'T GET IT RIGHT.
SOMETIMES THE COMMUNICATION IS MISSED.
I CAN UNDERSTAND YOUR FRUSTRATION ON THAT.
I SAT HERE AND LISTENED BOTH SIDES, AND IT WAS VERY CONFUSING WHAT WENT ON.
BUT. OVERALL, IT'S ON THE CITY BACK, NOT YOUR BACK.
SO I THINK BUY US GIVE ME A SECOND SHOT AT THIS.
I THINK IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
NO DISRESPECT FROM THE OTHER OFFERS, BUT.
MY UNDERSTANDING WHAT I WAS HEARING.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE DID TODAY.
AND. YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN VOTING YOUR WAY FROM DAY ONE, AND I STILL DO TODAY BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT YOU HAVE OUR VISION AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO COMMUNICATE AND.
AND I DON'T THINK YOU'LL LET US DOWN.
SO. YOU KNOW, AND AS FAR AS SOMEBODY SAYING THAT, WE GOT ONE UP ON YOU, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T GET ONE.
DON'T LISTEN TO THESE COMMENTS, THESE NEGATIVE COMMENTS TOWARDS YOU COMING FROM THE AUDIENCE.
I THINK THE COMMENTS THAT YOU SHOULD LISTEN TO IS FROM THIS GUY IS WHAT HOW WE EXPRESS.
BECAUSE THAT'S THE VISION THAT THE LEADERSHIP OF THIS CITY IS TRYING TO PUT FORWARD, TRYING TO ESTABLISH A A TRUSTED PARTNERSHIP AND TO HAVE SOMETHING NICE AND ENJOYABLE AND IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF PALM BAY RESIDENTS.
IT WILL BE A PATRIOT DAY MEMORIAL SERVICE.
I WANT TO WELCOME EVERYONE THAT THAT HEARS ME SAYING THIS.
12:00 ON SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 11TH IS PATRIOT DAY.
WE OFTEN SAY WE WILL NEVER FORGET.
SO LET'S MAKE SURE WE DON'T FORGET.
LET'S ALL SHOW UP AND SHOW OUR SUPPORT.
WE'LL HAVE A SPEAKER FROM FDNY RETIRED.
SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO EVERYONE COMING OUT THEN.
IT'S GOING TO BE THIS SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 11TH, AT CITY HALL.
SO I WELCOME YOU ALL TO BE HERE.
I'LL END. BEFORE I ADJOURN, I WANT TO SHARE.
SIR. WE DIDN'T PLAY FAVORITES.
SIR, I'M JUST GOING TO ADDRESS THE MIC SONG.
THERE'S NO. THERE'S NO DISCUSSION.
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WHAT? WHAT? WHAT OCCURRED WAS WE HONORED.WE HONORED SOMETHING THAT WAS BROKEN BEFORE.
THANK YOU. WHAT WE DID WAS WE FIXED SOMETHING THAT WAS WRONG.
YOU MUST DO YOUR OWN ADVENTURE, SIR.
YOU GUYS SAID AT 142 A LONG TIME AGO.
NOTHING ABOUT THAT WHOLE HOUR.
THANK YOU. WE DIDN'T WE WE DIDN'T.
WE DIDN'T PICK ONE OVER THE OTHER.
WHAT WE DID WAS WE FIXED SOMETHING THAT WAS WRONG.
THANK YOU. SO, SIR, WHAT WE DID TODAY WAS WE FIX SOMETHING THAT WAS WRONG.
THE LINE OF COMMUNICATIONS WAS.
WAS WRONG. THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE.
AND I DO AGREE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE NEVER GOTTEN THIS FAR.
BUT I ALSO WANT TO SHARE WITH MY SENTIMENTS WITH OUR OUR VICE CHAIRMAN, VICE CHAIRMAN JOHNSON.
THAT MEANS WE'RE NOT POINTING THE FINGER AT YOU.
I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE THANK YOU FOR NAVIGATING THIS.
SOMEWHERE THE LINES WERE BROKEN AND WE NEED TO FIX THAT.
THIS SHOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED.
AND I DON'T I DON'T THINK THAT WAS THE CASE AT ALL.
I THINK THEIR VISION WAS DIFFERENT THAN THE VISION THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS HAD.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE I CLOSE? THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.