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OKAY, FOLKS, WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
OCTOBER 5TH, 2022, MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD IS CALLED TO ORDER.
[CALL TO ORDER:]
EVERYONE, PLEASE RISE.AND ROBERT WILL LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
ANDREW, WILL YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE? YES, MR. BOEREMA PRESIDENT.
MR. GOOD. MISS JORDAN HAS ASKED TO BE EXCUSED.
PRESIDENT. MR. WARNER PRESIDENT.
MR. KARAFFA HAS ASKED TO BE EXCUSED, AND OUR DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY, RODNEY EDWARDS, IS PRESENT.
WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU, JOHN.
[ADOPTION OF MINUTES:]
FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS IS THE ADOPTION OF MINUTES OF OUR REGULAR MEETING FROM AUGUST 3RD.SO MOVED. SECOND MOTION FROM RANDALL.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES.
CAN I GET A MOTION, PLEASE? SO MOVED. SECOND MOTION FROM RANDALL, SECOND FROM RAINER AND A DISCUSSION.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
[ ANNOUNCEMENTS:]
FOR THE BENEFIT OF EVERYONE IN ATTENDANCE.THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD IS AN ADVISORY BOARD COMPRISED OF SEVEN MEMBERS.
ALL MEMBERS OF THE BOARD ARE UNPAID VOLUNTEERS APPOINTED BY THE CITY.
OUR PROCEDURES ARE AS FOLLOWS.
GROWTH MANAGEMENT STAFF WILL PRESENT THE STAFF REPORT FOR EACH CASE.
BOARD MEMBERS WILL THEN BE ASKED IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
THE FLOOR WILL THEN BE OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
WE WILL FIRST HEAR FROM THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE APPLICATION THAN THOSE OPPOSED.
ALL APPLICANTS AND SPEAKERS FROM THE AUDIENCE MUST SIGN OATH CARDS, WHICH ARE LOCATED AT THE PODIUM.
AFTER PUBLIC COMMENTS, I WILL BRING THE CASE BACK TO THE BOARD.
AT THIS TIME, THE FLOOR WILL BE CLOSED AND NO FURTHER COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC WILL BE HEARD.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENDANCE AND FOR YOUR COOPERATION.
[NEW BUSINESS:]
OUR FIRST CASE, PLEASE.I'M TANYA RAMOS, SENIOR PLANNER WITH GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
Q 4520 22 THE APPLICANT AND OWNER IS ANTONIA HIGHLAND REVOCABLE TRUST AND JOHN B O'MALLEY TRUST REPRESENTED BY ANDY.
THE SITE IS APPROXIMATELY 2.45 ACRES AND THE CURRENT ZONING IS HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL.
APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE THANK YOU, MR. RAMOS. DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? WILL THE APPLICANT PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM?
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HI, GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS KELLY HAVEN AND I'M A PLANNING CONSULTANT REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.THE APPLICANT IS TO MY LEFT IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OF HIM, ANDY KOBACH, WE BRING FORTH TO YOU TONIGHT A CONDITIONAL USE TO ALLOW A SELF STORAGE FACILITY IN THE HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
THE REQUEST ALSO MEETS THE GENERAL REQUIREMENTS AND CONDITIONS AS LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT, WHICH INCLUDE THINGS LIKE INGRESS AND EGRESS, PARKING, UTILITIES, BUFFERING AND SIGNAGE.
AND WE DID NOT HAVE ANY ATTENDEES AND I HAVE NOT HAD ANYONE REACH OUT TO ME ON THIS PROJECT.
I ALSO DON'T BELIEVE THAT STAFF HAS RECEIVED ANY CORRESPONDENCE FROM THE NEIGHBORS EITHER.
THIS WAS AN EXCEPTIONALLY LARGE MAILING LIST.
SO WE DID SEND OUT THE NOTICES AND WE JUST HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY FEEDBACK.
BUT WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE ON THE PROPOSAL.
IT'S A TO HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
JUST BRIEFLY, AND PERHAPS IF WE CAN BRING THE SLIDE WITH THE MAP BACK UP.
BUT WHERE IS YOUR STORM WATER GO IN THIS OUTFIT.
SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE DRY RETENTION THERE.
WE HAVE IT LABELED ON THAT SITE PLAN.
IT'S HARD TO SEE AT THAT SCALE, BUT IT'S ON THERE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? JUST A STAFF. I DON'T KNOW IF I SAW MISSED IT.
THERE ARE ANY SPECIAL CONDITIONS HERE.
NO, THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL SPECIAL CONDITIONS FOR THIS REQUEST.
THAT'S JUST TO MEET THE CRITERIA OUTLINED BY STAFF AND THE STAFF COMMENTS.
BRITAIN APPROVAL WITH ALL OF THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, MR. CHAIR. A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
WILL THE MIX OF THE UNITS BE? YOU DON'T KNOW THAT AT THIS POINT.
THERE'S GOING TO BE VARIOUS SIZES SO MEAN.
IT'S TYPICALLY ON THIS TYPE OF INDOOR STORAGE.
ALL THE DOORS ARE ON THE INSIDE.
AND THEY'RE JUST GOING TO BE MIXED WITH THAT.
IF YOU'RE PLANNING TO DO TRADING UP.
SO WHAT ARE YOU PLANNING TO ATTRACT TO THE STORAGE UNITS? IS IT JUST FOR RESIDENTS OR IS IT FOR MIX OF TRADE AND INDUSTRIAL PROCESS? IN THIS CASE, IT'S ALL IT'S MOSTLY FOR RESIDENTIAL USES.
THIS IS ACTUALLY A REALLY LOW TRAFFIC GENERATOR.
WE DON'T EXPECT A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING IN AND PARKING ITS STORAGE, MOSTLY FOR RESIDENTIAL PURPOSES.
WE DON'T EXPECT A LOT OF TRAFFIC IN AND OUT OF HERE.
THE OTHER QUESTIONS. YOU AT THIS TIME.
I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS APPLICATION? NO. GILBERT IN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET.
THIS TO ME IS A SMART DECISION FOR THE CITY.
ONE, IT GIVES US OUR COMMERCIAL THAT WE'RE SAYING THAT WE'RE NEEDING ON VACANT LAND.
IT'S A VERY LOW TRAFFIC COMMERCIAL.
SO ONCE IT'S THERE, IT'S IT'S ALREADY BRINGING IN THE TAX REVENUE WITH A HIGHER TAX BASE.
SO THIS ONE REACHES THREE CRITERIAS AND MAKES IT A PLUS FOUR.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A COMMERCIAL, SOMETHING SOMETHING COMING INTO THE CITY.
THANK YOU. IT'S ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR OPPOSED.
THE BUILDING THAT YOU ALL PROVIDED IN OUR PACKET.
IS THAT IS THAT THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN? YOU DO HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE.
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MOTION TO APPROVE KQ, DASH 45 AT 2022.SECOND MOTION FROM SECOND FROM RENO.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY I OPPOSED.
OPPOSE. MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
NEXT CASE, PLEASE, MR. ANDERSON. GOOD EVENING, BOARD MEMBERS.
FOR OUR NEXT CASE, WE HAVE CP 30 DASH 2022.
THIS IS A LARGE SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT REQUEST FOR APPROXIMATELY A PROPERTY OF 1,198.1 ACRES IN SIZE KNOWN AS PALM VISTA AVALON'S WEST.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A LARGE SCALE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT FROM SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USE, MULTIPLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USE AND RESIDENTIAL OPEN SPACE USE TO MULTIPLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USE.
CASE NUMBER CP 32 2022 MEETS THE MINIMUM CRITERIA FOR A LARGE SCALE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT UPON THIS REQUEST AND STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS, AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL.
OR HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
JUST ONE WASN'T SURE WITH THIS IN TERMS OF THE COMMERCIAL ASPECT OF IT.
NO MORE COMMERCIAL IN THIS AND THIS.
AND THEN WE CAN SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THERE.
BUT THERE IS NO COMMERCIAL IN THIS SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT.
THERE IS COMMERCIAL THAT ABUTS THIS DEVELOPMENT, THOUGH, OFF OF THE ARTILLERY.
MR. CHAIR, DO YOU HAVE ANY DO YOU KNOW OF THE OF THE HISTORY OF OF OF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT? I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY LIKE THE PHASING AND HOW IT'S BEEN DEVELOPED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, SIR. MR. ANDERSON. NOT TO GET AHEAD OF MYSELF, BUT TO GET AHEAD OF MYSELF WHEN I LOOK AT ITEMS TWO, THREE, FOUR AND FIVE.
TONIGHT'S AGENDA, MY MIND IS MELDING THEM TOGETHER IN A CERTAIN GEOGRAPHIC AREA.
I. AM I WRONG IN THAT ASSESSMENT OR ALL THOSE ITEMS REALLY KIND OF PIECE TOGETHER? AND THE REASON I'M ASKING YOU IS I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SAME REPRESENTATIVE ON EACH OF THOSE ITEMS. AND I REALLY HAVE AN OVERARCHING QUESTION ABOUT THAT WHOLE AREA.
BUT I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, OF MY CHOICE OF FOUR DIFFERENT AGENDA ITEMS. I JUST WANT TO PICK IT, YOU KNOW, THE RIGHT ONE TO ASK MY QUESTION.
YES. THESE ARE THE OVERARCHING THIS AREA IS OVERARCHING FOR THESE FOUR PROJECTS.
I BELIEVE I MIGHT BE ABLE TO ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION DEPENDING ON WHAT IT IS.
AND MY QUESTION VERY OPEN ENDED TO THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE VARIOUS DEVELOPERS OR WHAT HAVE YOU IS GOING TO BE AROUND SOME OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS.
AND WHEN IT COMES TO THE FIRE STATION OUT THAT WAY, AND ONE KIND OF I'M VIEWING IT AS ONE THING AND I KNOW I NEED TO BIFURCATE IT AS BEST I CAN, BUT I REALLY HAVE A BIG QUESTION ABOUT WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO BUILD MY FIRE STATION? FOR ME, THAT'S KIND OF MY OPEN ENDED QUESTION THAT AND I KNOW THEY'LL BE VARYING DIFFERENT ANSWERS.
YEAH, THERE PROBABLY WILL BE VARIOUS ANSWERS THAT YOU WILL HEAR.
AS OF NOW, WE HAVE NOT LOOKED OR SOUGHT, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, FOR A NEW LOCATION IN THAT AREA FOR A FIRE STATION, BECAUSE THIS ISN'T THE ENTITLEMENT PROCESS IN SUCH A HIGH LEVEL, THERE WOULDN'T BE A NECESSITY UNTIL THESE ARE APPROVED FOR A FIRE STATION TO GO IN THAT AREA.
BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, BECAUSE THE ENTITLEMENTS OF THIS PROPERTY ARE CURRENTLY AEW, WHICH IS AGRICULTURAL USE FROM THE COUNTY'S DESIGNATION, IT'S AN EXTREMELY LOW DENSITY AREA, SO IT WOULD NOT NECESSITATE THAT TYPE OF INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT UNTIL THE APPROVALS HAPPEN, IF THE APPROVALS HAPPEN.
I'LL TAKE THAT CLARIFICATION AND I'LL I'LL MOVE FORWARD THAT WAY.
THANK YOU, SIR. I APPRECIATE IT.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? AND THANK YOU, MR. ANDERSON. WILL THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM?
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GOOD EVENING. ANNA SAUNDERS WITH BFC CONSULTANTS.AND YOU'RE RIGHT, I AM THE NEXT SHOW FOR THE NEXT FOUR ITEMS. THREE OF THE ITEMS ARE RELATED.
ONE IS NOT SAME GENERAL GEOGRAPHIC VICINITY.
YOU'VE GOT THE REPORT IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU GUYS, THEY ALWAYS DO A GREAT JOB ON THAT.
SO IF YOU'VE GOT ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE.
I KNOW YOU HAD A QUESTION ABOUT SOME HISTORY OF THE PROJECT.
IF YOU WANT ME TO START THERE FIRST OR SEE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
WELL, GO AHEAD WITH THAT HISTORY LESSON.
AND WE WORKED ON THAT PROJECT FOR MANY YEARS IN THIS SAME GEOGRAPHIC AREA.
IT WAS PROBABLY TOO MUCH INFORMATION FOR YOU, BUT THERE WERE FIVE OR SIX PROJECTS THAT WERE ALL KIND OF GLOMMED TOGETHER THAT THREE DIFFERENT OWNERSHIPS THAT STARTED THE PROCESS OF DREAMING THE PARKWAY COMING THROUGH, DOING SOME OF THESE MAJOR UTILITY EXPANSIONS AND SO ON.
HOME VISTA OR EVERLANE'S, AS IT AS IT'S CALLED NOW, IS ONE OF THOSE REMAINING PROJECTS AND THE OVERALL PROJECT OF PALM VISTA, EVERLANE'S, WHATEVER YOU WOULD LIKE TO REFER TO IT AS, STARTS WITH A PROJECT CALLED EDGEWOOD THAT'S CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION AT PACE IN THE PARKWAY.
THE NEXT PHASE IS MEDLEY, WHICH IS BETWEEN PARKWAY AND I'M SORRY, BETWEEN PACE AND MEDLEY.
THERE'S ANOTHER PIECE JUST TO THE NORTH OF THAT THAT WE CLEVERLY CALL THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT.
YOU'LL SEE THAT COMING IN THE NEXT SEVERAL, SEVERAL WEEKS TO YOUR DIRECTION.
AND THE WEST SIDE IS EXACTLY THAT.
IT'S EVERYTHING WEST OF THE PARKWAY.
THE DEVELOPER, TO THEIR CREDIT, HAS REALLY SORT OF TAKEN THEIR TIME TO CRAFT WHAT THEY WANT THIS AREA TO BECOME FROM NOT ONLY THEIR OWN PERSPECTIVE, BUT AS A SHOWSTOPPER FOR THE CITY BECAUSE IT IS ON PART OF YOUR MAIN GATEWAY COMING IN IS NOW THAT THAT PARKWAY IS CONSTRUCTED, THIS DEVELOPER HAS PARTICIPATED IN, PARTICIPATED WITH AND ACTUALLY IS PART OF THE REASON THAT THE UTILITY IMPROVEMENTS FROM MALABAR ROAD UP TO EMERSON RIGHT NOW ARE COMPLETED.
SO CLOSING THAT LOOP AND INCREASING ALL OF YOUR WATER PRESSURES AND HELPING NOT ONLY OURSELVES BUT THE CITIES PRESSURES IN THAT AREA, IN THE HOMES THAT ARE JUST EAST OF THE CANAL THERE.
WE'VE ALSO BROUGHT A 16 INCH FORCE MAIN UP THAT STOPS AT THE INTERSECTION OF EMERSON AND PACE.
WE ARE, I'M SORRY, EMERSON IN THE PARKWAY.
DURING THE I'LL CALL IT THE REBUILDING OR THE REIMAGINING PHASE OF OF WHAT THIS PROJECT HAS BECOME.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS THE REASON WE'RE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS FOR THE LAND USE REVISIONS.
AS MR. ANDERSON SAID, WE CURRENTLY HAVE A COMBINATION OF RECREATIONAL OR RESIDENTIAL OPEN SPACE.
I THINK IT'S CALLED SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, MULTIFAMILY HOMES.
AND I'M SURE WE CAN PROBABLY PULL UP A MAP AND SHOW THAT TO YOU.
WE'RE ASKING TO REVISE SOME OF THOSE EXISTING LAND USES TO MEET OUR CURRENT VISION FOR THE PLAN, WHICH IS, AGAIN, BECAUSE THE CITY'S TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT IS CONSIDERED A MULTIFAMILY LAND USE, WE'RE ASKING FOR SOME MULTIFAMILY LAND USE DESIGNATION FOR THAT.
WOULD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS SAUNDERS.
AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR LAST POINT.
DIFFERENTIATING THAT THE COMMERCIAL IS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS PROJECT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OR THIS KIND OF JUNK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BECAUSE I DEFINITELY ASSOCIATED SOME COMMERCIAL GOING IN AT ONE OF THOSE INTERSECTIONS AND I FELT IT WAS EMERSON AND THE PARKWAY.
AM I? AM I CORRECT ON THAT ONE? YOU ARE CORRECT. AND THERE STILL IS COMMERCIAL ON THOSE PIECES.
YOU SAW ME COME BEFORE, AND IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING.
SO THEY FLANK THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDE OF EMERSON.
THOSE ARE GOING TO REMAIN COMMERCIAL LAND USE.
THEY CURRENTLY HAVE ZONING ON THEM.
WE'VE ALREADY COME BEFORE YOU.
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UNDERSTOOD. UNDERSTOOD.SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, IT COMPLICATES THIS QUESTION.
BUT THE QUESTION THAT I PREVIEWED WITH MR. ANDERSON HERE IS I HAVE A SEVERE CONCERN AT THE PACE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED IN THE WESTERN AREA, PERIOD, TO TAKE ON STATION THREE, WHICH WOULD BE THE ONE THAT WOULD DISPATCH TO THAT AREA.
I THINK IT'S ALREADY KIND OF UNFEASIBLE.
BUT WHEN WE HAVE THIS PROJECT, I BELIEVE IS THE BIGGEST THIS EVENING.
I DON'T WANT TO TAKE THE BOARD OR ANYONE ELSE FOR THE JOURNEY OF COMING CLOSER TO MALABAR ROAD AND THE THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY EXISTENT AND COMING IN AND THEN COMING SOUTH OF MALABAR ROAD AND ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY EXISTENT AND ARE COMING IN.
IT WILL NOT BE ABLE TO COVER THAT AREA.
AN INCREMENTAL FIRE STATION MUST COVER THAT AREA.
SO FIRE STATION SEVEN CONVERSATIONS REALLY COMING ALONG NICELY.
THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS PART OF TOWN.
SO THE NEXT NUMBER I'M JUST GOING TO GENERATE TAKE THE LIBERTY TO DO IS FIRE STATION EIGHT.
SO MINIMUM A CHUNK OF LAND HAS TO BE SET ASIDE AND SAID THIS IS WHERE THE FIRE STATION GOES.
NOW, I THINK THAT IT BEHOOVES ANY OF THE DEVELOPERS INVOLVED TO INCORPORATE THAT NEED INTO THEIR PROJECT IN A WAY THAT THAT REALLY EMBRACES IT AND REALLY EMPOWERS THEM TO BE THE ONE THAT DID IT.
YOU KNOW, IF WE THINK BACK TO HOW SOME OLDER LEGACY OUTSIDE OF EVEN FLORIDA, BUT THROUGHOUT OUR GREAT COUNTRY, CITIES AND TOWNS STARTED, THE NAMES OF SOME OF OUR CITIES AND TOWNS HAVE THE NAME ON THEM.
AND YOU KNOW, THE MAIN DRAG IS NAMED BROWN JOHNSON BECAUSE THE BROWN FAMILY AND THE JOHNSON FAMILY GOT TOGETHER AND THEY SAID, LET'S PUT THE FIRE STATION HERE AND LET'S PUT THE POLICE STATION HERE AND LET'S PUT THE POST OFFICE HERE.
AND THEY CREATED THE AMERICAN DREAM.
NOW, I LOVE WHAT YOU AND EVERYBODY ELSE ARE DOING OUT ON THE WESTERN BOUNDS OF OUR CITY.
I THINK IT'S BEAUTIFUL AND I THINK THAT IT EVEN MORE BEAUTIFUL, IF INCORPORATED INTO ITS DEVELOPMENT, ARE THE ESSENTIAL SERVICES THAT A COMMUNITY NOT ONLY NEEDS BUT THAT THE COMMUNITY THRIVES ON.
SO NOW IN YOUR MARKETING IT TO THESE PEOPLE, IT'S IT'S FOOTSTEPS, IT'S WALKABLE.
YOU'RE GOING HERE, YOU'RE GOING THERE, YOU'RE WAVING HI TO THE FIRE STATION, SEE IN THE ENGINE OUT FRONT, THE FEELING OF SECURITY THAT THAT GIVES PEOPLE IS GOING TO MAKE YOUR HOMES MUCH MORE MARKETABLE THAN THE PROPOSITION OF WHEN THE ASTUTE HOME BUYER PULLS UP THE MAP AND SAYS, WHERE'S THE NEAREST FIRE STATION? AND GOES ALL THE WAY TO THREE AND LOOKS AT ALL THE LITTLE TINY DOTS, ALL THE HOUSEHOLDS THAT LIE IN BETWEEN THEM AND THREE.
SO NOT TO OVERSELL IT, BUT I THINK THAT IT WOULD BEHOOVE YOU AS THE ENGINEER AND THE REPRESENTATIVE IN ANY OF THE DEVELOPERS THAT YOU'RE REPRESENTING IN THIS AREA TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BRING FORTH TO THE CITY AT LEAST A PIECE OF LAND.
THE IMPACT FEES ON 4141 HOMES RELATED TO FIRE.
I'M GOING OFF A MEMORY, BUT FIRE IMPACT FEES ARE 600 AND SOME CHANGE.
AND THE NUMBER THAT JUST STUCK IN MY BRAIN WAS 685.
SO FOR CONVERSATION SAKE, 685 ON 4000 HOMES, THAT'S ONLY GOING TO GENERATE $2.3 MILLION.
NOW, WE KNOW WE'RE WELL EDUCATED FROM EVERYTHING WE'VE BEEN DOING ON FIRE STATION SEVEN, THAT $4 MILLION IS A MINIMUM TO PUT UP A BUILDING, LET ALONE IT'S GOING TO TAKE YOU ABOUT DOUBLE THAT TO STAFF IT APPARATUS.
SO, AGAIN, MY PLEA TO YOU IS FOR A PARCEL OF LAND.
WELL, YOU KNOW, FIRST OF ALL, I THINK THAT'S AT THE OUTSIDE THE BOUNDS OF WHAT MS..
SAUNDERS IS HERE FOR AND THE DEVELOPER AS WELL.
BERNARD WANTS TO RESPOND TO THAT.
THEY CAN. I THINK THAT'S THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE THE THE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY HAS TO DECIDE ON, YOU KNOW, LOCATION OF OF FIRE STATIONS AND STAFFING AND EQUIPMENT AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
THAT'S THAT'S UP TO REALLY UP TO THE CITY TO DECIDE SO.
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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MISS SAUNDERS? I HAVE A QUESTION. ANSWER.NOW, RIGHT NOW, THE WAY IT'S PLANNED OUT GOT DIFFERENT PIECES OF IT.
IT'S GOT YOUR COMMERCIAL PIECE, IT'S GOT YOUR YOUR OPEN RESIDENTIAL OPEN SPACE.
IT'S GOT SOME SINGLE FAMILY MULTIFAMILY.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S IT'S GOT A PRETTY GOOD MIX RIGHT NOW.
MR. OSOFSKY JUST TALKED ABOUT FIRE ISSUES, BUT I THINK ABOUT ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, SO IN THE BAYSIDE COMMUNITY, THERE'S A THERE'S A PUBLIX, THERE'S A COMMERCIAL AREA, THERE IS MEDICAL OFFICES, THERE'S DENTAL OFFICES, THERE'S AUTO ZONE, THERE'S RESTAURANTS.
I CAN GET A LOT OF THOSE SERVICES DONE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
I DON'T HAVE TO GO TO PALM BAY ROAD OR MINTON OR MALABAR, SOME OF THE COMMERCIAL ARTERIES IN PALM BAY, WHICH THESE RESIDENTS, IF IT'S JUST COMPLETELY MULTIFAMILY RESIDENCES, I'M GUESSING THE CLOSEST GROCERY STORE TO THEM WOULD TAKE CARE OF RIDGE PARKWAY, MAYBE UP TO SAM'S OR OR TO GO DOWN MALABAR ROAD, WHICH WE ALREADY KNOW IS DOWN BY THAT PARK.
SO FOR THEM TO GO FROM THERE ALL THE WAY UP TO MINTON, I SUPPOSE IT WOULD BE THE CLOSEST AREA.
YOU DO HAVE THAT SMALL LITTLE PIECE THERE.
I SEE WHERE YOU'RE SAYING ON THE COMMERCIAL PIECE COMING OFF OF IS THAT EMERSON THERE? SO THOSE RED AREAS, IF YOU ADDED THOSE ALL UP, THOSE LITTLE SQUARES AT 60 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL AND I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
I GUESS MY MY POINT IS, IS WHY DIDN'T YOU FACTOR IN MORE OF A COMMUNITY PLACES WHERE WHERE PEOPLE COULD WALK TO THE STORE, THEIR SIDEWALKS, PEOPLE COULD WALK TO THEIR THEIR MEDICAL FACILITY OR DOCTOR OR THEIR DENTISTS? SURE. SO, AGAIN, WE DON'T OWN THE COMMERCIAL PARCELS.
HOWEVER, THERE IS A COOPERATION, A COOPERATIVE BENEFIT TO HAVING BOTH OF THOSE ITEMS NEARBY.
SO PART OF THIS WESTERN SIDE WE HAVE INCORPORATED.
THERE'S OBVIOUSLY SIDEWALKS REQUIRED ON THE ROADWAYS THROUGHOUT.
THERE IS SOME WALKABILITY THROUGH THAT.
AND SO THERE WILL BE SOME WALKABILITY TRAILS THAT ALLOW YOU TO ACCESS THE COMMERCIAL PARCELS DIRECTLY THAT ARE YOU SEE THOSE TWO LITTLE GRAY SQUARES THAT ARE ALONG THE PARKWAY AND. EMERSON YES.
AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO MISLEAD YOU. THEY'RE JUST DOTS ON THE LINE.
BUT FROM IN A FINAL DEVELOPMENT ASPECT AND A CONSTRUCTION PLAN ASPECT, THERE WILL BE THAT INTEGRATED WALKABILITY COMPONENT THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RELATED TO GROCERY STORE SHOPPING. THE I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S A IT SHOULDN'T BE A SECRET.
THERE IS A GROCERY STORE CURRENTLY UNDER REVIEW WITH CITY STAFF.
SO THAT WILL BE WITH ANY GOOD LUCK BREAKING GROUND HERE RELATIVELY SOON IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS, WHICH WILL SERVICE THIS AREA SPECIFICALLY. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'D BE LUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE ANOTHER ONE QUITE THIS CLOSE BECAUSE IT'S A MILE AND A HALF APART.
BUT CERTAINLY THERE'LL BE OTHER TYPE USES THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
BUT THOSE COMMERCIAL TRACTS ARE ZONED COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL.
SO ANYTHING THAT YOUR CODE ALLOWS IN THERE RIGHT NOW, LIKE YOU MENTIONED, THE DOCTOR'S OFFICES, THE MEDICAL FACILITIES, THE BANKS, THE SMALL RETAIL TYPE COMPONENTS, THOSE WOULD ALL BE UP FOR CONSIDERATION ON THOSE PARCELS AND WOULD SERVICE NOT ONLY THIS WESTERN SIDE BUT ALSO THE DEVELOPMENT ON THE EAST OF THE PARKWAY.
AND WOULD PROMOTE THAT WALKABILITY.
YOU'RE WELCOME. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AND KNOW YOU WANT TO.
I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM IN TERMS OF THE MULTIFAMILY ASPECT YOU'RE LOOKING AT ONLY, IS IT APARTMENT COMPLEXES WHEN YOU SAY MULTIPLE QUADS? SO ON THE WEST SIDE, WE HAVE WE HAVE A COMBINATION WE'RE PROPOSING RIGHT NOW, COMBINATION OF LET ME BACK UP.
WE'VE GOT A MIXTURE OF AGE TARGETED AND NON AGE TARGETED COMMUNITIES.
SO AGE TARGETED GENERALLY 55 AND UP NON AGE TARGETED, YOU KNOW, FOLKS WITH KIDS.
SO THERE'S A COMBINATION OF THAT.
THE MULTIFAMILY COMPONENT IS A COMBINATION OF VILLAS.
SO DUPLEXES, TWO UNITS TOGETHER, THE TOWNHOME, THE FOUR, SIX, EIGHT TYPE OF COMPLEX.
AND THEN ALSO WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING A CONDOMINIUM STYLE.
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IF YOU HAD A QUESTION, SIR, THERE'S PROBABLY PROBABLY MORE OF A CONCERN THAT I KNOW THAT WE WANT TO WE'RE STRIVING TO TO GET THIS OUT, GET SOMETHING OUT THERE. AND IN THE WEST, WEST SIDE OF PALM BAY, THE WEST SIDE OF PALM BAY HAS ALWAYS BEEN, I GUESS, A STITCH FOR ME SIMPLY BECAUSE IT'S I'VE ALWAYS FELT AS THOUGH IF IF NATIONAL IF A NATURAL CATASTROPHE HAPPENED, PEOPLE JUST STUCK OUT THERE.AND WE'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN DURING THE DURING THE FIRES.
WE'VE SEEN IT THROUGH THROUGH HURRICANES.
SO THE TRAFFIC AND THE SAFETY, THE LIVES OF INDIVIDUALS OUT THERE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN LIKE MY CONCERN, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE HAVE NOT FINISHED THE PARKWAY TO WHERE THEY WHERE THEY COULD POSSIBLY BE THAT OTHER OUTLET.
BUT YET WE'RE WE'RE PUTTING IN MORE HOUSES, SO.
THAT KIND OF RAISES SOMEWHAT OF A CONCERN WITH ME.
AND THEN THE OTHER THE OTHER THING THE REASON WHY I WAS ASKING FOR THE HISTORY WAS BECAUSE I WAS WONDERING ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL LAND USE AND HOW WOULD THAT AFFECT WHAT THE PREVIOUS DECISION WAS IF WE DO NOT IF WE IF WE VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT WITH THE WITH THE WITHOUT THE COMMERCIAL COMPONENT PRESENTED IN THIS LIKE IT WAS BEFORE. SO I'M NOT SURE.
NO. I THINK BECAUSE YOU REPRESENTED TWO DIFFERENT COMPANIES, I THINK.
YEAH, BECAUSE THIS TIME. BUT THIS ONE, THERE WILL NOT BE ANY COMMERCIAL.
THIS IS A DIFFERENT DEVELOPER.
THIS IS A DIFFERENT IT'S A DIFFERENT OWNERSHIP.
SO THE DIFFERENT OWNERSHIP TOOK PLACE.
NO. SO TWO TOTALLY SEPARATE PROJECTS.
SO I REPRESENT OUR COMPANY, NOT ME.
THEY JUST HAPPEN TO BE ADJACENT TO EACH OTHER.
SO THE COMMERCIAL IS STILL THERE, STILL COMPLETELY VIABLE.
YOU SAW ME COME BEFORE YOU EARLIER FOR REZONING, ACTUALLY THE SAME THING.
LAND USE HAD REVERTED BACK TO YOU.
THERE'S WELL, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I WANTED TO ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I DIDN'T MAKE THAT CLEAR WHEN IT WANTED YOU TO MAKE THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR IS BECAUSE WE DO HAVE MEMBERS THAT THAT ARE NOW ON THE BOARD THAT DID NOT THAT WERE NOT HERE FOR THAT PREVIOUS PRESENTATION.
SURE. SO TO KIND OF GIVE THEM A BETTER IDEA OF APPRECIATE STANDING OF WHAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING, WHAT'S GOING ON AND I APPRECIATE THAT FROM THE IF I CAN JUST YOUR ROAD CONVERSATION OR TOPIC.
I DO BELIEVE IN ALEX OR MISS BERNARD.
SORRY, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
I BELIEVE THE PARKWAY IS DESIGNATED AS AN EMERGENCY EVACUATION ROUTE.
DOES IT NOT HAVE THAT DESIGNATION ON IT? I THOUGHT THAT'S WHY IT WAS BUILT.
YES. SO THAT'S PART THE ELEVATION IS SUCH THAT IF I'M NOT, I BELIEVE I'M REMEMBERING CORRECTLY THAT IT'S ABOVE THE THE FLOODPLAIN ELEVATIONS OUT THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ISN'T ANY.
I THINK THE ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE TRAFFIC ALONG 95 AND CERTAINLY THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
IT'S JUST PROVIDED AN ADDITIONAL CORRIDOR.
SEVERAL WEEKS AGO, IN FACT, WE SUBMITTED A TRAFFIC A TRAFFIC MEMORANDUM TO YOUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT FOR REVIEW SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE AND THEY CAN AGREE THAT THE THE COMPONENTS THAT WE ARE IDENTIFYING THAT NEED TO BE STUDIED FOR THIS PROJECT, THAT THEY ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT SO THAT WHEN WE DO THE REPORT, THERE'S NOT ANY SURPRISES AND THEN EVERYBODY AGREES ON WHAT THE RESULTS ARE.
AND JUST TO TO MISS THE POINT EARLIER REGARDING LAND DESIGNATION AND LOOKING AT OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, WHICH IS A HUGE CONCERN.
WHEN YOU SAID ABOUT 4000 SOMETHING, 4141 JUST TONIGHT, AND JUST TO KNOW THAT.
IS THAT A CONCERN? WELL, I WOULDN'T SAY NOT A CONCERN.
IS THAT AN ISSUE THAT'S BEING ADDRESSED AT ALL?
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BECAUSE WHEN WE MAKE THESE DECISION, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IN ESSENCE, IT'S A GOOD PROJECT THAT'S NEEDED AND WE CAN WORK WITH.BUT THOSE THINGS ARE ON THE TOP OF OUR MINDS AS WELL.
AND IT'S KIND OF PUTTING US IN A CORNER AND MAKING THESE DECISIONS.
SO I BELIEVE IN PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, MS..
SANDERS, THAT YOU ALL HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH FRANK BARNABY DURING THIS PROCESS.
THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO CONSIDER IN A MORE HOLISTIC SENSE THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO UNDERTAKE DURING A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AN UPDATE THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH. WE ARE CURRENTLY WRITING OUR FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT GOALS, OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES.
BUT IT'S KIND OF, AGAIN, BACKWARD.
ONCE WE APPROVE THIS, THEN WHAT IF THE LAND IS NOT THERE? OF COURSE, THERE ARE IMPLICATIONS.
AND THAT'S WHY WHAT WE HAVE ENVISIONED FROM THIS PROJECT, WITHOUT ITS ENTITLEMENTS FOR THE SURROUNDING AREA, AGAIN, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THESE INDIVIDUALISTIC BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT ENTITLING ALL OF THEM AT ONCE.
YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHEN THE ENTITLEMENTS ARE ACTUALLY BEING ENACTED.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THEY DO HAVE THEIR RIGHTS TO GO THROUGH THESE PROCESSES AND NEED TO BE ANALYZED AND INDIVIDUALISTIC, MANAGE FOR THEIR OWN IMPACTS, WHICH IS WHERE WE LOOK INTO THOSE TRAFFIC STUDIES AND SO FORTH THAT COME AT THE LATER STAGES.
SAME THING WITH FIRE AND SAME THING WITH POLICE.
THESE ENTITLEMENTS. THE OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MISS SAUNDERS.
AT THIS TIME, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS APPLICATION? OPPOSED. A.
CAN WE PUT THAT MAP UP? YEAH. AND WE HAD.
YEAH. JUST BEAR WITH ME A SECOND HERE.
NOW, WHAT THEY DID WAS HAD SOME REALLY INGENIOUS WAYS OF FIXING THINGS, BUT THEY MADE IT FLOW.
YOU LOOK AT 32, 20, 22, IT MEETS THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT FOR LARGE SCALE FUTURE LAND USE.
WOW. WHERE DO WE SIGN UP FOR THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT THEN WHERE YOU WANT TO PUT YOUR HOUSE AT THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT? I THINK WHAT'S WHAT BOTHERS ME.
I AM FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF PALM BAY.
I FEEL LIKE WE'RE GOING DOWN THE ROAD HERE WITH ONE HAND TIED BEHIND OUR BACK, BLINDFOLDED.
YOU TOOK A 4000 HOUSES, GOT A NEW FAMILY, RAN OVER, AND YOU WANT TO PUT YOUR FAMILY IN THERE? WE'RE ABOUT 8 MINUTES FOR A FIRE DEPARTMENT TO GET THERE.
WHY IS THIS FALL ON DEAF EARS? EMT YOU HAVE A FIRE THERE.
HOW DO THEY GET INTO YOUR PLACE? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PROTECT YOUR KIDS? I'M LIKE SOME ANSWERS BECAUSE I'M GOING TO SAY THE SAME THING TO THE CITY COUNCIL THERE.
THE DEVELOPERS WANT TO DEVELOP.
THEY'LL GIVE YOU WHAT YOU WANT.
LET'S NOT EVEN TALK ABOUT A BEDROOM COMMUNITY.
WHAT'S THERE TO DO? WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO? WE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF ACREAGE OVER THERE.
YOU'RE GOING TO WALK TO PUBLIX AND WALK INTO MINTON.
HOW MANY HOW MANY EXITS AND ENTRANCES WE HAVE THERE? BECAUSE I LIVE IN I LIVE IN BAYSIDE LAKES AND ALL THE HIGHWAYS THAT I KNOW OF HAVE ONE IN AND OUT.
YOU EVER SEE FLORIDA DRIVERS DUE TO SPEED LIMIT? 10% OF THEM DO THAT, RIGHT?
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IT'S DANGEROUS.ON. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO KEEP ME SAFE? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO KEEP EACH OTHER SAFE? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO KEEP ALL THE FAMILIES SAFE? YOU KNOW, WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT.
THAT. YOU KNOW WHAT? IF WE DON'T IF WE DON'T STAMP THESE, WE DON'T GET THESE IMPACT FEES.
WE CAN'T. WE CAN'T DO YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T BUILD FIRE STATIONS.
WELL, WHAT DO YOU THINK WE DID THE MEMORANDUM FOR? SO WE CAN TAKE A BREATH AND REASSESS.
I'D LIKE TO KNOW I WANT TO HEAR FROM SOMEBODY HERE.
WHAT NUMBER IS SAFETY ON OUR MISSION STATEMENT? IS IT GOING TO BE NUMBER ONE? I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ONE, TWO OR THREE.
WHY ARE WE JUST BLOWING THIS OFF? WHY IS 4000 HOMES ON TOP OF ONE ANOTHER? OKAY. YOU KNOW, SHOPPING CENTERS, WALKING PATHS.
I'M NOT I'M NOT ADVOCATING THIS IS IN COLORADO.
I GET IT. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? WHAT THE LADY WHO SAID THE LAST TIME WERE TWO WAS AT 241 AND OF 246 IN RESPONSE TIME.
WHAT'S OUR GOAL? 246 MUST BE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HEADING.
I DON'T MEAN TO BE NEGATIVE ON IT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, GUYS, YOU HAVE TO GIVE SAFETY A VERY HARD LOOK AND CONSIDERATION AND IT SHOULDN'T FRICKIN BE DOWN HERE HOW MUCH YOU CARE AND LOVE.
LOVE YOUR FAMILY AND YOUR MATES AND YOUR CHILDREN.
THAT'S GOT TO BE UP HERE, GUYS.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
I'M NOT. SO PLEASE GIVE THAT TO CONSIDERATION.
BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST.
I'M GOING TO TRY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT.
BEEN IN PLANNED FOR A LONG, LONG PERIOD OF TIME.
ST JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY NORTH.
IT'S ONLY ONE LANE IN EACH DIRECTION AND WE ALREADY HAVE MASSIVE TIE UPS DURING THE SCHOOL ZONE.
ANY BETTER DRIVE THAT THEY KNOW THAT.
SO MY REQUEST IS ON THIS ONE IS THEY POTENTIALLY LOOK AT TURN LANES THAT THEY'RE PUTTING IN FOR THESE DEVELOPMENTS, NOT JUST ONE QUICK LITTLE TURN LANE THAT'S 100 FEET.
ALLOW IT. SO THAT TRAFFIC GOING BOTH NORTH AND SOUTH CAN COME IN AND GET OUT OF LINE OF TRAFFIC.
SO THE TRAFFIC DOES NOT HAVE TO STOP AND BLOCK TRAFFIC BACK UP.
RIGHT. AND THAT'S PART OF THAT IS BASED ON THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, THE LOSS OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AS IS CURRENTLY RATED FOR THE TRAFFIC ON ST JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY. IT'S THE WRONG CLASSIFICATION.
SO. I'M KIND OF REQUESTING IF THEY CAN HAVE SOME WAY I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DO IT IS THAT THEY LOOK AT THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE AS IF IT WAS THE NEW ROAD FROM WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WOULD BE, BECAUSE THAT WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE FARE SHARE AND WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT INSTEAD OF THE BARE MINIMUM THAT WE'RE AT NOW.
AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE MEETING.
SO THAT'S THAT'S BASED ON THEIR OCCURRENCE, ON THEIR OWN STUDIES.
I, I KNOW THIS IS NOT AN ELEMENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGE, BUT ONCE YOU CHANGE, ONCE YOU MAKE THIS CHANGE ON CP 3022, THAT CHANGES ALREADY OCCURRED.
BUT THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING TRY TO ADDRESS IT NOW.
IT'S NOT SO MUCH WHEN I'M AGAINST IT.
IF THEY WOULD JUST LOOK AT WHAT THE NEW COMP PLAN LEVEL OF SERVICE IS GOING TO HAVE IN IT.
THANK YOU. DOES ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK? YOU KNOW, THEY WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME.
ANNA, DID YOU WANT TO RESPOND? ISRAEL BRIEFLY, I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR IT, BUT I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT STATEMENT THAT'S IN THE STAFF REPORT JUST SIMPLY MEANS THAT WE'VE MET THE REQUIREMENTS. IT USED TO SAY THEY RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
IT JUST IT'S JUST A BLANKET LEGAL REQUIREMENTS.
YEAH. SO IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE PROJECT IS BARE BONES.
IT JUST MEANS WE MEET THE REQUIREMENTS, THE NUMBER OF ACCESS POINTS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP.
YOU'LL SEE THAT IN THE NEXT PRESENTATION.
I KNOW THAT'S FRUSTRATING BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE WHICH ONE COMES FIRST.
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UNFORTUNATELY, THE LAND USE HAS TO COME FIRST.AND TO ANSWER MR. BARTON'S COMMENT ABOUT THE TRAFFIC METHODOLOGY, AGAIN, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE SUBMITTED THE METHODOLOGY LETTER TO MR. WATANABE SO EARLY.
THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT FOR US TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW.
BUT WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE TRAFFIC IN THIS AREA IS OF MAJOR CONCERN.
I DON'T KNOW HOW IT WOULD GET APPROVED WITHOUT IT BEING INCORPORATED THAT WAY.
AND JUST SO JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND, THE STUDY THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH JUST THE WEST SIDE IS NOT YOUR NORMAL RUN OF THE MILL TRAFFIC STUDY AND NOT TRYING TO GIVE THE TRAFFIC GUYS A LIKE IT'S AN EASY BUT IT'S A FIVE MILE RADIUS STUDY, FIVE MILES.
I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU HAVE A PROJECT IN TOWN THAT DID A FIVE MILE RADIUS ANYWHERE.
SO YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET OFF THE ROAD AND YOU WON'T BE STOPPING.
PEOPLE WERE SAYING, WELL, WHY WASN'T IT BUILT WITH, YOU KNOW, TWO LANES IN EACH DIRECTION? THEY MADE A PROVISION WHERE THEY ACTUALLY ALREADY HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY ON BOTH SIDES TO WIDEN ST JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY.
SO THAT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WILL BE DONE IN THE FUTURE.
THANK YOU, ANA. YOU'RE WELCOME.
AT THIS POINT, I'LL BRING A CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR A MOTION.
WELL, CAN I SAY THIS? I'M NOT NECESSARILY COMFORTABLE WITH STAFF RESPONSE AS IT RELATES TO PUBLIC SAFETY AND HOW IT'S NOT I'M REALLY NOT COMFORTABLE WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH 1000 PLUS ACRES AND NOTHING IS THERE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. I, I JUST WANT TO SEE, IS IT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED? BEFORE WE DO THIS SORT.
SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW IS PURELY FOR THE LAND USE AND NOT FOR THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
YOU KNOW, IMPACT FEES HAVE TO BE COLLECTED AND THERE'S A CERTAIN METHODOLOGY AND PROCESS IN ORDER TO HAVE THOSE FEES COLLECTED PRIOR TO HAVING ENOUGH FUNDS TO BUILD A NEW FIRE STATION OR A NEW POLICE STATION.
AND SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS, WHAT COMES FIRST, THE CHICKEN OR THE EGG.
AND SO SO THOSE SYSTEMS ARE ALREADY SET UP IN PROCESS AND IN ACTUALLY GUIDED BY THE STATE OF.
SO I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT ONE OTHER THING, TOO.
BESIDES THE IMPACT FEES, THE TAXES THAT THIS CONSTRUCTION WILL BRING, BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED THE TAXES THAT 4000 HOMES IS GOING TO SUBMIT TO THE CITY.
I DON'T BELIEVE IF THERE'S ANY.
WELL, PERSONALLY, I THINK I LIKE I LIKE THE PROJECT.
I BELIEVE THAT MAKES ABSOLUTE SENSE.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU COULD SAY IF YOU SAID TO ME, OH, THE CITY OF PALM BAY OWNS, YOU KNOW, TEN ACRES, YOU KNOW, TWO MILES AWAY AND OK BECAUSE THAT IS A THOUGHT PROCESS.
WELL, I KNOW FOR MYSELF PERSONALLY, A LITTLE BIT CONCERNING IN TERMS OF MAKING THIS.
THE MOTION TO RECOMMEND CASE CP 32 2022 FOR DENIAL.
SECOND. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND.
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THEY'RE GOING, OKAY. WELL.I WILL. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE DENIAL.
CAN WE HAVE A SHOW OF HANDS? IN FAVOR OF THE DENIAL.
US VOTING AGAINST IT THAT I DON'T.
I THINK THE POINT WAS MADE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET TAX REFORM.
THERE'S NOT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD HOUSES.
I THINK A PERFECT DEVELOPMENT CAN BE MADE.
I MEAN, THIS IS A HUGE TRACT OF LAND.
IT'S 1200 ACRES UNDER THIS CURRENT INFRASTRUCTURE RIGHT THERE.
YOU'VE GOT A PIECE FOR MULTIFAMILY.
YOU DO HAVE THAT SMALL COMMERCIAL PIECE.
IT COULD BE A GREAT COMMUNITY.
I JUST I FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE CHANGING THE WHOLE THING.
MULTIFAMILY. I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT.
RIGHT WAY TO DO IT. YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE STANDING THAT, SIR.
SO FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES, THE FUTURE LAND USE IS INDICATED TO BE MULTIPLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
THE PDP ASSOCIATED WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT IS A COMBINATION OF MIXTURE OF RESIDENTIAL USES.
JUST TO BE CLEAR, AND SINGLE FAMILY TOWNHOUSES AS WELL AS TRADITIONAL MULTIFAMILY HOUSING.
IT'S A. A MOTION TONIGHT, AS IS FOR YOU TO.
JUST FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES.
ATTORNEY EDWARDS WE DO NEED THE NEXT CASE READ IN TO RECORD AND VOTED ON, CORRECT? IT'S THE ASSOCIATED PDP FOR THE ZONING.
PLAN. BUT IF COUNCIL WERE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL, THEY WOULD STILL NEED TO CONSIDER THE ZONING.
SO I KNOW THAT THE RECOMMENDING BODY HAS DENIED THE ORIGINAL REQUEST.
YEAH. YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON IT SINCE YOU'VE ALREADY VOTED ON THE PREVIOUS ONE.
WE JUST NEED IT FOR THE RECORD.
SIR, I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND SPD 36 2022 FOR DENIAL.
YOU HAVE A SECOND? THAT CAN MOTION IN A SECOND.
OR THE TWO, SIR. A FORD OR TWO.
EXCUSE ME. BUT WE ONLY HAVE SIX.
IN OUR NEXT CASE, PLEASE, MR. WHITE. GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.
STEPHEN WHITE, PRINCIPAL PLANNER FOR GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
CASE BEFORE YOU IS FD 4920 22.
IT IS GENERALLY LOCATED NORTH OF AN ADJACENT TO MALABAR ROAD NORTHWEST IN THE VICINITY OF ST JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY, AND IS APPROXIMATELY 295.17 ACRES AND HAS A FUTURE LAND USE OF MULTIFAMILY, RESIDENTIAL AND SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND THE CURRENT ZONING IS PLANNING UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
HERE'S THE LAYOUT OF THE PROJECT.
AND STEPH IS RECOMMENDING CASE FD 4920 22 THAT IT IS IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND DOES MEET THE MINIMUM CONDITIONS FOR A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN REQUEST AND IT WILL BE SUBJECT TO STAFF COMMENTS ON THE STAFF REPORT AND THE APPLICANT AND STAFF ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
THE BOARD HAD MANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
THANK YOU, MR. WHITE. APPLICANT, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM ON A.
ME AGAIN ON A SAUNDERS WITH VSC CONSULTANTS 312 SOUTH HARBOR CITY BOULEVARD, MELBOURNE, FLORIDA.
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THIS IS THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, SO THIS IS ONE OF THE LAST ACTIONS FOR THE PROJECT COMING BEFORE YOU.AS MR. STEVENS MENTIONED, MR. WHITE MENTIONED THERE'S 885 UNITS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT.
IT'S A COMBINATION OF SINGLE FAMILY, 40, 5040S AND FIFTIES AND THEN TOWNHOME STYLE UNITS FOR TO MEET THE MULTIFAMILY REQUIREMENT OR COMPONENT, I SHOULD SAY, IN THE VERY SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROJECT.
IT'S THAT ORANGE KIND OF TAN AREA WITH THE SHADED HATCHING.
THAT'S AN AREA OF LAND THAT WE ARE.
THERE'S AN EASEMENT ON IT. WE'RE GOING TO END UP GETTING THAT OVER EVENTUALLY TO MELBOURNE.
SO I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT WHAT THAT PIECE IS.
IT DOES PROVIDE A PUBLIC BENEFIT.
WE CONCUR WITH ALL THE STAFF COMMENTS.
AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE'RE CURRENTLY UNDER REVIEW WITH OUR CONSTRUCTION PLANS WITH THE CITY STAFF.
WE ANTICIPATE SUBMITTING BACK TO STAFF HOPEFULLY BY THIS FRIDAY.
AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS..
SAUNDERS? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANKS AGAIN, MISS SAUNDERS, FOR COMING OUT THIS EVENING.
AND THANKS FOR PRESENTING US WITH THIS PROJECT, WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
WHAT IS YOUR RECREATIONAL ASPECT LOOK LIKE FOR THESE 885 HOUSEHOLDS? SO RIGHT IN THE CENTER, THEY'RE SORT OF A DARKER GREEN AREA BETWEEN LAKES.
THERE'S GOING TO BE A CLUBHOUSE AMENITY CENTER THERE.
THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF FIGURING OUT WHAT THAT COMPONENT IS.
THERE'S ALSO A COMBINATION OF TRAIL WAY SYSTEM THAT WILL BE MONETIZED WITH EITHER EXERCISE STATIONS, PARK BENCHES, THAT SORT OF THINGS YOU CAN LOOK AT ALONG THE THE LAKE VISTAS.
THE LARGEST STAND OF THAT IS JUST BEHIND THE CLUBHOUSE, WHICH IS CENTRALLY LOCATED.
THERE'S A LAKE JUST TO THE NORTH OF IT.
THE TREE AREA IS JUST TO THE RIGHT.
YEAH, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT HAVE SOME SOME OLD FLORIDA ASPECTS TO IT AND THINGS OF THIS SORT.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO DENYING THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE RESIDENTS, ESPECIALLY THAT ARE GOING TO COME INTO THIS THIS PART OF TOWN ARE MOST LIKELY GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GOING TO BE THEIR TASTE OF THE SUNSHINE STATE OR AT LEAST TO THIS PART OF THE SUNSHINE STATE.
AND SO I REALLY WANT TO MAKE A LASTING IMPRESSION.
SO I'M REALLY GLAD TO HEAR YOU SAY THAT.
I'M PLANTING A SEED OF AN IDEA HERE, AS I DID WITH THE THE LAST LONG STATEMENT I MADE, AND IT WON'T BE AS LONG, BUT OUR PARK DESPERATELY NEEDS ACCESS FROM ST JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY, AND IT NEEDS THAT ACCESS FOR CURRENT USERS, BUT IT FURTHERMORE NEEDS THAT ACCESS FOR FUTURE USERS SUCH AS THESE 885 HOUSEHOLDS.
BUT AGAIN, THE VARIOUS OTHERS.
I WISH IT DID FOR YOU. SPIT OUT ON A MALABAR ON THIS PROJECT.
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO. WE'RE JUST WEST OF THE HIGH SCHOOL AT THE WEST OF THE HIGH SCHOOL.
THE HIGH SCHOOL IS MY EASTERN PROPERTY LINE.
I SEE. SO I'M THE VERY DEAD END OF MALABAR ROAD.
THERE'LL BE SOME MALABAR ROAD IMPROVEMENTS AS YOU EXTEND PAST THE SCHOOL TO GET TO THIS PROJECT.
WHAT I'M GETTING AT AT THIS POINT IS IN THE CONVERSATIONS OF DEVELOPMENTS, WHAT'S AND THIS ONE'S WAY FAR DOWN THE PIPE IN THE CONVERSATIONS IT'S HOW CAN WE GET TO OUR MUTUAL GOAL. SO WHETHER THAT'S IMPACT FEE CREDITS AND THINGS OF THE SORT, WHEN THESE GUYS HAVE TO COME IN AND INVEST MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
UNDERSTOOD. BUT WE NEED THAT BRIDGE.
AND AGAIN, I'LL JUMP OFF THE BOX BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE APPROPRIATE TIME.
SO THANK YOU FOR THE GOOD ANSWER, EVEN OUT OF OUT OF TIME.
AND THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, FOR ENTERTAINING ME.
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PERIMETER OF OUR PROJECT, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE JUST BACKING UP TWO CANALS, IS 50 FEET.IT VARIES ANYWHERE FROM 50 TO LIKE I WANT TO SAY IT'S 120 FEET, SO IT'S FAIRLY WIDE.
WE CHOSE NOT TO, DECIDED TO KEEP THAT IN.
WE WERE ON THE PHONE WITH MELBOURNE.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO COORDINATE THAT EFFORT WITH HIM.
SO AGAIN, IT'S A 50 FOOT MINIMUM BUFFER ALONG THE PERIMETER.
I'M TALKING TO THE RIGHT PERSON.
SORRY TO TRY TO SHOEHORN THAT IN, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU KNOW IT.
MR. CHAIR, I'M SO SORRY, BUT I DO HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL QUESTION.
SURE. IS MALABAR IN FRONT OF YOUR ENTRANCE PAVED AT THIS POINT? IT IS NOT, BUT IT WILL BE BY THE TIME WE'RE FINISHED WITH IT.
SO IT'S PAVED UP TO THE SCHOOL ENTRANCE AND WE'LL BE PICKING IT UP FROM THE SCHOOL ENTRANCE AND WIDENING, MAKING THAT PORTION APPROPRIATE FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT AND EXTENDING IT OUT TO OUR PROPERTY LINE.
JUST PASS OUR ENTRANCE AS WITH THE UTILITIES ALSO.
SO WE'RE ALSO DRAGGING THE WATER MAIN AND THE FORCE MAIN BEYOND US AS WELL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? JUST WANT TO AND JUST TO CONFIRM, YOU ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH ALL OF THESE TECHNICAL COMMENTS.
YES, MA'AM. I LIKE THIS PROJECT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? HMM. THANK YOU, MISS SAUNDERS.
YOU SURE YOU'RE LOOKING AT ME LIKE YOU MIGHT HAVE WON? IT WAS GOING TO BE JUST AN OFF THE WALL QUESTION.
SO MARKET MARKET CONDITIONS DID NOT DID NOT IMPACT THIS ONE.
I MEAN, THE MARKET CHANGED THE MARKET CONDITIONS.
I MEAN, I GUESS WE'RE WE'RE KIND OF HAPPY THAT YOU'RE FINALLY AT YOUR FINAL.
YEAH, WE'VE HAD THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND WE'VE GOT OUR CONSTRUCTION PLANS UNDER REVIEW.
YOU KNOW, MARKETS HAVE CHANGED, BUT THE PRODUCT IS STILL WE'RE HAPPY WITH THE PRODUCT STILL COSTS, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF A SHAKE AND ROLL TO FIGURE OUT THOSE COSTS. BUT THE PRODUCT IS GOOD AND WE'RE HAPPY WITH THAT.
ANY OTHER WAY. YOU KNOW, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
AT THIS TIME, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS OR OPPOSED? SO. THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME TODAY.
MY NAME IS TOM VITALE. I LIVE AT THE WEST END OF MALABAR ROAD, AND I HAVE FOR 30 YEARS.
AND OF COURSE, THIS IS GOING TO ULTIMATELY IMPACT ME.
BUT IT I THINK THE HIGH SCHOOL IS GOING TO PROBABLY BE THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT IT IMPACTS.
I WAS NOT ABLE TO COME THE LAST MEETING, BUT I BELIEVE I CAME THE FIRST ONE AND THEY TOLD ME AT THAT TIME THEY WERE GOING TO TRY AND GET A SECOND ENTRANCE ON TO HERITAGE PARKWAY, BUT THEY SAID AN EMERGENCY ENTRANCE EXIT, WHICH DOES NOT SEEM TO BE PUT IN THERE IN PLACE.
AND OF COURSE, I GUESS IS ONLY USABLE WHEN THERE ACTUALLY IS AN EMERGENCY.
IT'S NOT FOR TRAFFIC TO GO IN AND OUT OF THERE.
SO IT BACKS UP TO WHAT WE CALL C ONE OR THE TILLMAN CANAL WE CALL ALL MY LIFE.
ACCORDING TO GOOGLE, 885 HOUSES IS APPROXIMATELY 15 TO 1600 CARS.
NOBODY'S TOLD ME OF ANY AND IT'S GETTING QUITE CONGESTED DOWN THERE AS IT IS.
THEY SAID AT FIRST THAT THIS WAS HOLES WITH THREE HOMES PER ACRE.
NOW, OUT HERE IN GDC, WE ACTUALLY HAD QUARTER ACRES.
THIS THREE HOME BREAKERS IS NOT INCLUDING THE GREEN AREA, THE RUN OFF THE RECREATION AREA.
IT'S ALREADY CONGESTED DOWN THERE QUITE BADLY AT SCHOOL TIMES, AND AT LEAST UNTIL THERE'S OTHER PROVISIONS MADE, SUCH AS FOR LAYING THE ROADS AND HAVING THE THE FIRE AND POLICE PROTECTION AND THINGS OUT THERE ANYWAY.
ALL RIGHT. ONE OTHER THING I WANTED TO SAY HERE.
OKAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? I KNOW YOU'RE HERE TO MAKE THE DECISIONS FOR THE BEST.
WHAT'S BEST FOR THE CITY OF PALM BAY? NOT FOR ANY CERTAIN SPECIAL INTEREST.
I KNOW THESE BIG MONEY COMPANIES.
I'LL JUST BE HONEST. THEY COME IN, THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY KIND OF TRY TO DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, BUT I DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT PART OF PALM BAY OR ANY OTHER PART FOR THAT. MATTER OF FACT, I KNOW MAYBE YOU DON'T LIVE THERE AND THIS MAY NOT AFFECT SOME YOU PEOPLE DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY, BUT IT IS GOING TO BE QUITE A IT'S GOING TO BE ROUGH FOR THOSE PEOPLE AT THE SCHOOL.
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THERE'S 2500 STUDENTS THERE, I UNDERSTAND, AND IT'S ALREADY HECTIC GETTING IN AND OUT OF THERE.AND LIKE I SAY, THERE'S ONLY ONE ROAD IN, ONE ROAD OUT.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR EMERGENCY OR CONTINGENCY PLAN IS FOR THAT.
APPARENTLY THEY HAVE NOT SECURED AN EMERGENCY EXIT OUT TO HERITAGE PARKWAY THAT I'M AWARE OF.
SO AND IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT YOU JUST.
ANYWAY, YOU'LL HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISION.
BUT I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHAT I FEEL LIKE IS IN PALM BAY BEST INTEREST.
I'M A LIFETIME RESIDENT. I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 1958, AND I JUST HOPE YOU'LL MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK? THE HONOR. DID YOU WANT TO RESPOND TO THAT? I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS WITHOUT SOUNDING PATRONIZING.
PATRONIZING? I REALIZE CHANGE IS HARD.
IT'S NOT EASY WHEN YOU'VE BEEN OUT THERE LONG.
AND ACTUALLY, THE REASON IT'S CAPPED AT THREE UNITS PER ACRE IS BECAUSE, AGAIN, THIS WAS ONE OF THOSE PIECES THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT IN THE ORIGINAL PROJECT WHERE THERE WERE A WHOLE BUNCH OF PROPERTIES ROLLED IN.
THIS IS ONE OF THOSE. AND THEY VOLUNTARILY AGREED TO CAP THEIR DENSITY AT THREE UNITS PER ACRE.
IT IS IT IS A TRUE THREE UNITS PER ACRE OUT THERE.
AGAIN, IT IS A COMBINATION OF FORTIES AND FIFTIES AND SIXTIES IN THE TOWNHOMES.
I HAVE NO PHYSICAL WAY TO MAKE A CONNECTION TO ST JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY.
AGAIN, WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING IMPROVEMENTS TO MALABAR ROAD.
THE TRAFFIC STUDY WILL SUPPORT THOSE AND WILL INDICATE WHAT SPECIFIC IMPROVEMENTS WE HAVE TO DO.
THAT'S ACTUALLY BREVARD COUNTY'S ROADWAYS.
SO IN ADDITION TO GOING THROUGH PALM BAY'S PROCESS FOR A REVIEW COMPONENT, WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO PERMIT THAT THROUGH BREVARD COUNTY'S PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND THEY'LL BE REVIEWING THAT WITH FINE TOOTH COMB, I CAN ASSURE YOU.
AT THIS POINT, I'LL CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD.
I JUST WANT TO REMIND THE BOARD, TOO, THAT THIS IS A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL.
SO IT'S ALREADY GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS ONCE.
SO. CAN I GET A MOTION, PLEASE? MOTION TO APPROVE CASE FD, DASH 49, DASH 2022.
SECOND MOTION FROM K, SECOND FROM DONALD.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE.
DID I PRONOUNCE THAT CORRECTLY, BY THE WAY? THAT'S CORRECT. AND GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY.
GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. THIS IS OMAR FROM GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
I'M HERE TO PRESENT THE LAST OF THE FOUR CASES OF THIS REGION.
CASE FD 1520 22 CALLED MED LTD EVERGLADES AVALANCHE SORRY OWNER IS BRIAN CARLSON AND ANA SAUNDERS IS THE CONSULTANT HERE WHO WILL BE REPRESENTING LOCATION OF THIS PROJECT IS IN THE CORNER OF BASE DRIVE.
CO-OWNER OF THE PACE DRIVE NORTHWEST AND ST JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY NORTHWEST.
SIZE OF THE PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 20 291.11 ACRES.
FUTURE LAND USES MULTIFAMILY, RESIDENTIAL AND SINGLE FAMILY.
RESIDENTIAL ZONING AT PRESENT IS AGRICULTURE, RESIDENTIAL, VACANT AND IMPROVISED LAND.
AND THIS IS THE REQUEST BY THE DEVELOPER FOR A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, APPROVAL FOR 840 UNIT OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, WHICH INCLUDES 456 SINGLE FAMILY, 150 PAIRED VILLAS AND 234 TOWNHOMES AND THE AMENITY CENTERS.
MEET THE MINIMUM CRITERIA FOR FINAL DEVELOPMENT REQUEST SUBJECT TO THE STAFF COMMENTS.
THE STAFF AND I IS HERE FOR ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS.
THERE'S A BOARD. HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
AH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, IT'S MATCHING UP TO THE NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
YOU DON'T WANT TO MAKE DECISION BASED ON EXISTING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
CURRENTLY, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS.
UNFORTUNATELY, CURRENTLY OUR GOVERNING DOCUMENTS ARE CURRENT MASTER PLAN OR CURRENT CITYWIDE PLAN.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WILL BE UPDATED.
OF COURSE, WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.
BUT RIGHT NOW WE ARE RESTRAINED TO WHAT IS CURRENTLY ENACTED.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, BELIEVE ME, I UNDERSTAND.
I WAS JUST MAKING THE POINT THAT WHEN YOU SAY THIS CURRENT CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WILL IT CHANGE, YOU KNOW, AFTER WHEREAS ARE A WEEK CAN TELL IF IT'S GOING TO BE IN ALIGNMENT BECAUSE MAKING A DECISION BASED ON THIS 20 YEAR OLD PLAN AS IT MAKES SENSE IF IT'S GOING
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TO CHANGE IN THE NEW PLAN IS WHAT I MEAN.THAT'S WHAT THAT'S THE ONLY IF I MAY, JESSIE, AGAIN, THIS IS A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO, YES, THIS WILL CONFORM TO THE NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IT WILL HAVE TO. WHAT'S YOUR QUESTION? THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NONE. THANK YOU.
IT WASN'T A DANCER. IT'S PROBABLY PAINFULLY OBVIOUS.
THIS IS A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT I PREVIOUSLY REFERRED TO.
IT'S BETWEEN PACE AND AN EMERSON.
IT'S THE NEXT PHASE OF DEVELOPMENT YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN.
IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION. THE MASS GRADING IS UNDERWAY.
WE RECENTLY RECEIVED STAFF COMMENTS ON THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS, I THINK.
I THINK IT WAS LIKE THIS MORNING, AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE JUST GOT THOSE COMMENTS.
SO WE'RE GOING TO START FEVERISHLY WORKING THROUGH THOSE AND GET THOSE BACK INTO STAFF'S HANDS SO WE CAN GET THE INFRASTRUCTURE COMPONENT APPROVED AND BE READY TO HOPEFULLY SEAMLESSLY WORK THROUGH THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? RANDALL. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. MISS SAUNDERS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING OUT THIS EVENING.
THANKS FOR BRINGING THIS PROJECT TO US.
IT'S BEAUTIFUL. WHAT IS YOUR RECREATIONAL ASPIRATIONS ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT? SO THIS PIECE ACTUALLY HAS A LARGE RECREATION TRACT, RIGHT? I'M NOT MUCH OF A VANNA WHITE, BUT I'M JUST GOING TO WALK OVER THERE AND TRY TO SHARE.
AND THIS MAKES ME A LITTLE NERVOUS, BUT.
OH, YOU LOOK AT THAT WORK. THAT'S SO RIGHT IN THE CENTER.
YOU SEE THIS PIECE HERE? IT SHOWS UP ON THE THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN PACKAGE THAT YOU SAW.
IT'S A CONCEPTUAL RENDERING, BUT THIS IS THE INTENT OF WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE.
THERE IS A LARGE, I WOULD SAY, A LARGE TYPICAL CLUBHOUSE WITH A LARGE POOL AREA.
THERE'S A SECOND ACTUALLY A SECOND BUILDING ON THE NORTH END UP IN HERE THAT'S PLANNED AS WELL.
I BELIEVE THERE IS SOME PICKLEBALL COURTS IN THERE.
IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, MY EYES AREN'T SO GREAT.
I GUESS I COULD OPEN UP MY LARGE ONE AGAIN.
I GOT TO GET IT ON THAT PLAN, I THINK.
THERE YOU GO. SO THERE'S THIS DASH LINE HERE.
WE ALSO HAVE ANOTHER TRAIL THAT COMES UP.
IT'S CALLED A PASEO IS MY NEW VOCABULARY WORD.
THEY CALL THIS A PASEO AS IT COMES UP BEHIND THERE WITH THIS GREEN SPACE, WE ANTICIPATE THIS TO BE A MORE SUBSTANTIVE PATH, LIKE A CONCRETE SIDEWALK OF SOME SORT WITH SOME SIGNIFICANT LANDSCAPE ON IT.
THAT'LL GET YOU UP TO THIS MAIN CLUBHOUSE FEATURE.
IT'LL BE, I'LL SAY, LITTERED WITH POCKET PARKS.
AND AGAIN, WE DO HAVE ANOTHER LARGE BUFFER PLANNED ALONG THIS EDGE HERE.
THIS IS ABOUT 50 TO 60 FEET WIDE AS IT GOES ALONG.
THERE'S A LARGE TREE STAND IN THAT AREA THAT WE INTEND ON MAINTAINING.
THOSE HAVE SOME OF THOSE LARGER PINES IN IT THAT WE'RE PRESERVING.
IF YOU'VE BEEN OVER THIS WELL, JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THAT, ACROSS TOWN.
I'M SORRY I MESSED THAT UP. SEE, THIS IS WHY I DON'T DO THESE THINGS.
THE SAME INTENT AND APPLICATION IS GOING TO BE APPLIED TO THE PROPERTY OF THE NORTH.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE ANSWER.
I'M MUCH APPRECIATE IT. I THINK I'M A RUNNER MYSELF.
I THINK IT WOULD BE FANTASTIC BECAUSE THEN YOU'LL BE ABLE TO JUST GO THROUGH THAT FRED.
POPPY, DID YOU KNOW THE LOOP IF FRED POPPY REGIONAL PARK IS JUST ABOUT PERFECTLY A MILE? I DID. I'VE BEEN THERE FOR SEVERAL SOCCER GAMES, I'M AWARE, RIGHT? YEAH, YOU'VE PROBABLY DONE IT JUST OUT OF BOREDOM.
YOU MIGHT AS WELL GET A PASS SOME TIME WHILE THE KIDS ARE WARMING UP.
YEP. WOULDN'T IT BE BEAUTIFUL IF THESE FINE RESIDENTS COULD COME OUT RIGHT OUT OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT OUT OF THESE NICE TRAILS, COME DOWN AND GET TO A BRIDGE? AND I'M TELLING YOU, WHOEVER COORDINATES, WHOEVER GETS ALL THESE PROPERTY OWNERS AND ALL THESE PROJECT OWNERS TOGETHER TO SIT AT A CONFERENCE ROOM TABLE AND SAY, MAN, LET'S BUILD A BRIDGE, LET'S BUILD SOME MUNICIPAL FACILITIES.
THEY'LL GET MY RECOGNITION, LET ALONE I THINK OF PLENTY OF CITIZENS.
I'LL COME SMASH A BOTTLE OF CHAMPAGNE ON IT.
I APPRECIATE IT. DON'T WASTE A GOOD BOTTLE OF.
IT WON'T BE ANYTHING TOO CRAZY.
WOULD THAT BEING SAID, MISS SAUNDERS, PLANTING SEEDS.
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PLANTING SEEDS? BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'RE DEVELOPING THIS AREA.I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
NOW, I KNOW THAT THE COUNTY IS WORKING ON A LAND LANDFILL, ESSENTIALLY THAT'S GOING TO BE ON 192, AND IT'S GOING TO BE DEDICATED TOWARDS ALL THE JUNK YOU GUYS HAVE TO DEAL WITH RIGHT NOW.
RIGHT. ALL THIS JUNK THAT YOU GUYS ARE STIRRING UP, DO YOU KNOW WHEN THAT WILL BE DONE RELATIVE TO KIND OF ALL THESE PROJECTS THAT YOU'RE WORKING ON? WILL IT WILL IT BEHOOVE YOU WILL THAT FACILITY BEHOOVE YOU IT'S IN THE LANDFILL WILL BE COMPLETED? YEAH, I DON'T I HAVE NOT READ I HAVE NOT READ UP ON THAT RECENTLY ENOUGH TO BE COMFORTABLE TRYING TO QUOTE ANY KIND OF DATES.
I JUST FIGURED I DON'T MY CHANCE WITH YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE OUT THERE.
I DO. AND I'VE READ THE ARTICLE, BUT I JUST I'M NOT CONFIDENT ENOUGH ON THROWING DATES OUT THERE.
SO I APOLOGIZE. CURIOSITY POINT.
AND IF STAFF DID HAVE TEXTURE, I'D TAKE IT.
BUT I'M JUST REALLY INTRIGUED AND WONDERING ABOUT THAT BECAUSE AS THESE PROJECTS GO ON, THE IDEA OF THAT ONE, IT'S GOING TO SAVE FOR THE DEVELOPERS THEMSELVES BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO SAVE THE FUEL. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO GO AS FAR, BUT ALSO IT'S JUST GOING TO SAVE ALL OF US, EVERYBODY.
IT'S JUST GOING TO GO UP AND DOWN THE PARKWAY.
WHEN YOU SAY WHEN YOU SAY LANDFILL, IT'S THE TRASH, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT.
I'M LIKE THE OSCEOLA BORDER IS LIKE WHERE THEY'RE PUTTING IT.
SOMEBODY IN THIS ROOM KNOWS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
YEAH, I MEAN, IT IS YES, IT'S RIGHT.
AND IT'S DEDICATED TO LAND WASTE.
AND A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS HAVE THAT'S ONE THAT'S ONE METHOD OF DISPOSAL.
THERE'S A FEW. BUT YEAH, YOU'RE BURNING RIGHT NOW ON THIS SITE.
I THINK SO, YES, THERE'S THAT, TOO.
YES, SIR. IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE FORESTRY DEPARTMENT? OF COURSE. YES. ONE LAST QUESTION.
DO YOU HAVE ASPIRATIONS IN THIS PROJECT TO EMBRACE OUR CITY'S MOVE INTO THE GOLF CART WORLD? YOU STARTED DESCRIBING THESE PATHS AND ALL THIS KIND OF FUN STUFF, AND I THOUGHT PEDESTRIAN.
BUT I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF YOU HAVE ANY ASPIRATIONS TO GET.
I WOULD SAY IT'S HARD TO ENFORCE.
IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MAKE FOR GOOD NEIGHBORS, RIGHT? LIKE SOMEONE HAS A GOLF CART, SOMEBODY DOESN'T.
THEY START KIND OF GETTING ARGUING THE STREETS AS LONG AS THE STREET LEGAL AND IT MEETS WITH YOUR CITY CODE AND MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS, YOUR POLICE CHIEFS HAPPY, THEN I GUESS WE'RE HAPPY. BUT THE PATHS ARE NOT NECESSARILY SPECIFICALLY WIDE ENOUGH FOR DESIGN SUCH THAT WE WOULD ENCOURAGE GOLF CART TRAFFIC ON THOSE PATHS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
SO WITH THAT, MISS SAUNDERS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MISS SAUNDERS? AT THIS POINT. I'LL CLOSE.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR OPPOSE BILL? GILBERT IN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST.
THEY'VE LAID OUT THE AMENITIES IN IT.
HOWEVER, THERE'S THREE ROADS COMING IN.
THERE'S EMERSON PACE AND ST JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY, AND I'M JUST TRYING TO PUSH ONE MORE TIME, SEE IF WE CAN GET THOSE TURN LANES PUT IN, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO NEED THAT SAME THING ON PACE AND YOU'RE GOING TO NEED THE SAME THING ON EMERSON WHERE IT BACKS UP JUST BECAUSE THERE'S A SINGLE LANE IN EACH DIRECTION.
THAT'S WHAT CAUSES PART OF THE PROBLEM AND BACKUP, ESPECIALLY DURING THE RUSH HOUR TRAFFIC.
IF WE COULD HAVE SOME OF THAT TURN LANES SOMEHOW PUT INTO IT, I KNOW IT'S NOT THEIRS, BUT THE LEVEL OF SERVICE AND THE TRAFFIC IMPACT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL IF WE COULD GET THOSE TURN LANES PUT IN THERE.
IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN, I'M STILL IN FAVOR OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
BOB. ROBERT STAES, 1796, ONE BRIDGE DRIVE SOUTHEAST.
GOT THAT OUT. I'M ENCOURAGED BY THIS.
THE KIDS WANT BIKING TRAILS AND WALKING TRAILS AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
THEY WANT ALL THE AMENITIES THAT THAT COME WITH THAT THEY WANT TO FEEL SAFE.
I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING THAT YOU FOLKS DON'T ALREADY KNOW.
SO I KIND OF LIKE AGREE WITH PHIL AS WELL.
YOU GOT TO MAKE SURE THE TRAFFIC FLOWS.
I MEAN, TRAFFIC IS JUST HORRIBLE.
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BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH FIRE, POLICE, EMTS AND WHATNOT.WHAT ABOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE? AND IS THERE ENOUGH DESIGN ON THIS WHERE IF WE NEED TO EXPAND IT AND ADD LIGHTS AND WHATNOT IS THERE, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DESCRIBE IT.
AS A NAVY GUY, IS THERE ENOUGH ROOM TO PUT ALL THE COMPONENTS ON THERE? BEING AT THE OLDER ONES ARE NOT DOING THE JOB.
YOU FOLLOW WHAT I'M SAYING, SO PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND.
I THINK SHE DID A GOOD JOB ON THIS ONE.
THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK? ANA, DID YOU WANT TO RESPOND TO THAT? NO. OKAY. AT THIS POINT, I'LL CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR A MOTION.
I JUST WANT TO REMIND THE BOARD AGAIN, THIS IS A FINAL DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL.
AND JUST ANOTHER COMMENT ON THAT.
WELL, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT I REMEMBER THIS PROJECT WHEN IT FIRST CAME ACROSS AND GOING OUT THERE TO VISIT TO SEE SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT YOU GUYS WERE INVOLVED WITH. AT FIRST I WAS A LITTLE SKEPTICAL BECAUSE OF THE OF IT BEING ON PACE, BUT ACTUALLY DRIVING THROUGH THERE, IT WAS IT WAS.
IT WAS ACTUALLY REALLY PLEASURABLE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ALL DID THIS ONE.
THIS IS THIS IS ACTUALLY A FAIRLY DECENT PROJECT WITH THAT MOTION TO APPROVE FD 5020 22.
POLLUTION FROM RAIN OR A SECOND BIKE FROM K ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY I.
I ALL OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU, HONOR. YOU CAN GO HOME NOW.
YOU HAD A BUSY NIGHT. HEY, OUR NEXT CASE, PLEASE, MR. WHITE. GOOD EVENING.
AND THIS IS A TEXTUAL AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER 185 OF THE ZONING CODE.
DELTA THREE ONE 85.04 FOR DELTA TWO AND 185 0.059.
DELTA ONE TO ALLOW RETAIL, AUTOMOTIVE GAS OR FUEL SALES.
THE REQUEST IS A TEXTUAL AMENDMENT OF THE CODE THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY STATED, AND THE RECOMMENDATION OF TX 5120 22 DOES MEET THE MINIMUM CRITERIA FOR THIS TEXTUAL AMENDMENT, AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT AND STAFF ARE HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. WHITE? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. MR. WHITE. I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED, AND THIS IS JUST ME GETTING EDUCATED ON THE PROCESS THAT THERE'S AN APPLICANT LOOKING TO BRING FORTH A CHANGE TO OUR CODE.
SO IS IT LITERALLY THE PROCESS OF THERE'S A FORM YOU FILL OUT AND SAY, HEY, I THINK YOUR CODE SHOULD BE DIFFERENT OR IS YOUR CONSULTATION? AND THERE'S AN APPLICATION THAT THEY WILL FILL OUT.
CAN YOU JUST ADD ANY KIND OF TEXTURE TO WHAT THIS PARTICULAR APPLICANT IS AFTER? WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO ONCE THIS HAPPENS? THEY'RE LOOKING TO GET IT PUT IN, AND I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT TEXTUAL PART WITH ME IN FRONT OF ME, BUT I KNOW THAT THE GIST OF IT WAS AT SIGNAL INTERSECTIONS BEING ALLOWED IN THE DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS WHERE IT WAS OUTLINED.
I BELIEVE IT DATES BACK TO ABOUT MARCH, I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
SO STAFF IS FULLY UNDERSTANDING OF THIS APPLICATION AND WE HAVE VETTED IT AND COMMUNICATED WITH THE APPLICANT TO ENSURE THAT IT IS TO THE STANDARDS THAT WE WOULD SEEK FOR THIS TYPE OF APPLICATION.
HOWEVER, WITH THE SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION, AS MENTIONED FOR THE NEW POTENTIAL CODE, IT WOULD ALLOW FOR A MORE DIVERSE ARRAY OF GAS STATION USES WHILE STILL NOT IMPACTING THE TRANSPORTATION AROUND IT.
MR. WHITE. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHICH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS APPLICATION? YOU KNOW, NOT CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO YOU.
OH, I WANT TO INTRODUCE MYSELF.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME.
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ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I DO, SIR, IF I MAY.ONCE THIS GOES THROUGH, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO DO AND WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO BRING TO OUR COMMUNITY? SO THE THE PROPERTY IS OWNED NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL AND THEY WANT TO PUT IN A GAS AND CONVENIENCE ON THE INTERSECTION.
BUT JUST FROM THE RELATIVE SCALE OF THE FRANCHISES THAT ARE INTERESTED, ARE WE TALKING THESE THESE BIGGER ONES THAT COME TO TOWN LIKE THE WAH WAH AND THE CUMBERLAND FARMS? OR IS IT MORE OF THE SMALLER YOU'RE GOING TO GET GAS AND MAYBE IT'S IT'S MORE OF THE MAJOR OILS SHELL MOBIL CIRCLE K SO GET A GAS AND GO SO TO SPEAK NOT THIS THIS THESE EXPANSIVE CONVENIENCE STORES WE'RE REALLY STARTING TO SEE IS I'M SORRY WE'RE COMPARED TO A WAH WAH WAH WAH.
ONE OF YOUR POTENTIAL CLIENTS.
YOU'RE GOING TO PUT A WAH WAH SOMEWHERE ELSE IN OUR CITY ONCE THIS TEXTUAL AMENDMENT GOES THROUGH.
I'M I HAVE TO REPRESENT WAH WAH AT ALL.
WE DO HAVE TO COME BACK A SECOND TIME FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
CORRECT. SO THIS GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO COME IN AND ACTUALLY GO UNDER THE NEIGHBORHOOD ZONING CODE, WHICH THEN WE APPLY FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. SO WE'LL BE BACK HERE AGAIN NEXT MONTH IF YOU'LL SUPPORT THIS.
RIGHT. I'LL SAY ONE MORE COMMENT, SIR.
KEEP IN MIND THE NEED FOR GAS PUMPS, THE NEEDS FOR ELECTRIC PUMPS KEEP THE IDEA.
YOU KNOW, YOU WANT PEOPLE TO COME TO YOUR BUSINESS.
MAYBE THE IDEA THAT YOU PUT TWO CHARGERS IN THE CORNER I WAS ALREADY DOING IT WITH TESLA IS JUST, HEY, LET YOUR CLIENT KNOW THAT THE EV MOVEMENT IS COMING AND IT'S CERTAINLY GOING TO WANT TO BE REPRESENTED RIGHT HERE IN THE CITY.
THANK YOU. CHAIR ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, SIR. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS? YOU KNOW, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD.
SO IT WILL STILL HAVE TO COME BEFORE US FOR THAT PURPOSE.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY I ALL OPPOSE MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
WE HAVE A REQUEST TO CONTINUE THAT TO OUR NOVEMBER 2ND MEETING.
SO CAN I GET A MOTION, PLEASE? MOTION TO CONTINUE PT 52 2022 TILL THE 1122 MEETING NO.
A MOTION FROM DON, SECOND FROM KAY.
AYE. ALL OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES CASES CONTINUE TO NOVEMBER 2ND.
WE ALSO HAVE A REQUEST TO CONTINUE TO NOVEMBER 2ND MEETING.
SO CAN I GET A MOTION FOR THAT, PLEASE? SO MOVED THE MOTION FROM ROBERT, SECOND FROM RANDALL.
AYE. ALL OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
THIS IS A TEXTUAL AMENDMENT WITH THE APPLICANT BEING THE CITY OF PALM BAY FOR CHAPTER 93.
REAL PROPERTY NUISANCE SECTIONS 93.02 AND 93.04 ALPHA ONE.
TO AMEND THE DEFINITION OF UNIMPROVED REAL PROPERTY.
AGAIN, THE REQUEST IS A TEXTUAL AMENDMENT TO THE CODE OF ORDNANCE OUTLINE GENERAL REGULATIONS CHAPTER 93 PROPERTY NUISANCE SECTION 93.02 AND 93.0 4A1 TO AMEND THE DEFINITION OF UNIMPROVED REAL PROPERTY STAFF DOES RECOMMEND AND CONCUR THAT T 5720 22 DOES MEET THE MINIMUM CRITERIA FOR A TEXTUAL AMENDMENT REQUEST, AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
COULD YOU JUST ELABORATE ON THIS ONE? ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD BY ANOTHER DEPARTMENT TO US WAS.
IT LISTED WHAT GENERAL, WHAT UNIMPROVED PROPERTY WAS, BUT THERE WAS A CONFLICT IN IT WHEN IT HAD A ZONING DISTRICT AS AN IMPROVED OR UNIMPROVED PROPERTY, WHICH THAT HAS NO BEARING.
THE ZONING IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, WHETHER A PROPERTY IS IMPROVED OR UNIMPROVED.
SO THAT'S PART THAT IS TAKEN OUT TO ELIMINATE THE CONFLICT IN THE CODE.
SO THIS IS A THIS IS TO ADDRESS THAT CONTRADICTION, REMOVE THOSE ZONING DISTRICTS.
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THE OTHER QUESTIONS.YOU KNOW. THANK YOU, MR. WHITE.
ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS BILL? KNOW THAT IN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST.
I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS CHANGE, BUT I SEE A PLUS AND A MINUS WITH IT.
PART OF THE NATURAL BUFFER THAT PEOPLE SAY, WELL, I'M LEAVING A NATURAL BUFFER BETWEEN A DEVELOPMENT AND MYSELF IS THE SAME THING THAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING, WELL, I DON'T LIKE THAT ENOUGH NATURAL BUFFER, SO I WANT YOU TO CUT IT DOWN.
SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S NATURAL BUFFER OR A NUISANCE.
SO IT GOES BACK, IT GOES BACK AND FORTH.
SO YOU'RE GOING HAVE TO SAY THE PEOPLE THAT WANT THAT NATURAL BUFFER ALL OF A SUDDEN ARE GOING TO LOSE THOSE NATURAL BUFFERS ON AN IMPROVED PROPERTY BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THIS ORDINANCE IS GOING TO MAKE THEM DO.
IT'S GOING TO MAKE THEM COME IN AND CUT IT DOWN.
THAT'S THE NEGATIVE SIDE OF IT.
BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT, OF CHANGING FROM RURAL RESIDENTIAL LAND.
THAT SAID, ALL RURAL RESIDENTIAL LAND WAS CONSIDERED UNIMPROVED.
I DIFFER WITH THAT 100% BECAUSE I WAS ONE OF THE CASES WHERE THEY CLAIMED THAT IT WAS UNOCCUPIED, UNIMPROVED PROPERTY AND IT WAS MY PROPERTY AND AS 100% DEVELOPED, IT JUST HAPPENED TO BE RURAL RESIDENTIAL.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK, SIR? GOOD EVENING, DANA CORCORAN.
I THANK YOU FOR THIS AMENDMENT.
FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK THE GROWTH DEVELOPMENT TEAM, WORKING WITH THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT IN IDENTIFYING THE THE DEFICIENCY IN THIS ORDINANCE AND WORKING EXPEDITIOUSLY TO TO BRING A CHANGE.
I HAPPEN TO OWN ONE OF THE PROPERTIES THAT'S AFFECTED BY THIS.
THE FORMER MAJOR'S GOLF COURSE HAS NOT BEEN MOWED SINCE IT WAS CLOSED ON JUNE 19TH.
THE WEEDS ARE ENCROACHING AND WE COMPLAINED TO THE FOLKS IN CODE ENFORCEMENT TO PLEASE HELP US.
AND I THINK THAT STIMULATED SOME OF THE SOME OF THE ACTIVITY HERE.
I THINK THAT THAT'S A POSITIVE.
NOW WE'RE DEALING WITH A PROPERTY HERE IS 190 ACRES.
ESSENTIALLY, YOU'RE ASKING THEM TO CUT A PICTURE FRAME AROUND THE BIG PICTURE.
AND I THINK THAT THAT'S WOEFULLY INADEQUATE.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT AT LEAST AT MY PROPERTY RIGHT NOW, THAT WE'RE HAVING AN INSECT PROBLEM UP UNTIL JUNE 19TH, WHICH WAS TREATED WITH INSECTICIDES, IT WAS TREATED WITH WITH HERBICIDES ALONG THE EDGE.
NOW IT'S BEEN TREATED WITH NOTHING.
SO 15 FEET IS GOOD, BUT I WOULD PREFER TO SEE SOMETHING 100 OR EVEN GREATER.
SO THAT WOULD BE MY MY RECOMMENDATION.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
THANK YOU. MR. CORCORAN. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE, BOB? AND I SEEM TO BE THE ONLY SAFETY GUY IN HERE, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
INTERNAL MEETINGS AND I WALK THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND I BIKE MY NEIGHBORHOODS AS WELL.
I GET A LOT OF INFORMATION FROM DIFFERENT KINDS OF SNAKES COMING UP.
YOU GOT A LOT OF NEW FAMILIES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHATNOT.
IT'S JUST NOT THE ANTS AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND I HEAR BLACK SNAKES ARE GOOD.
WHY THIS CAN'T MAINTAIN, CAN'T BE MAINTAINED.
I MEAN, THIS IS LIKE I TOLD THE MAYOR, THIS IS A CENTRAL PARK OF PALM BAY IS, YOU KNOW, CAN WE CAN WE LOOK AT THAT AS WELL? BUT AGAIN, WE DON'T WANT TO SEE KIDS IN THE BACKYARD AND WHATNOT PLAYING.
AND YOU GOT ALL THIS OVERGROWTH COMING UP AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S COMING OUT OF IT.
BILL. BILL CORCORAN, 1878 WHEN BROOK DRIVE AGAIN BORDERING THE WHAT WAS FORMERLY THE MAJOR'S GOLF COURSE.
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PROPERTY WAS THE CROWN JEWEL OF BOMBAY.I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY DOUBT ABOUT THAT.
AND NOW WE'RE ALLOWING IT TO GET RUNDOWN AND OVERGROWN AND PERHAPS A HAVEN FOR HOMELESS.
SO WE DO HAVE PRECEDENTS HERE IN IN PALM BAY.
THE PORT MALABAR GOLF COURSE WAS CLOSED 18 YEARS AGO AND IT HAS BEEN MODE EVER SINCE THEN.
SO I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT, AS I HAVE TO CITY COUNCIL, THAT MELBOURNE HAS SEVEN GOLF VENUES.
WE HAVE NONE. WE ARE USING THIS AS A LEVER.
THANK YOU. FOR ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON A CLOSED PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK.
CHAIR. CAN I SPEAK? YES, RONNIE. I WENT TO.
I THINK THERE'S A MISUNDERSTANDING AS TO WHAT IS BEING PRESENTED.
AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BOARD UNDERSTANDS WHAT IS ACTUALLY TRANSPIRING WITH THIS AMENDMENT OR CHANGE TO THE CODE. WHEN YOU WHEN YOU SEE THAT WE'RE CHANGING OR WE'RE STRIKING THROUGH THE DEFINITION OF UNIMPROVED, IT'S KIND OF THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT THE RESIDENTS ARE THINKING RIGHT NOW.
AN IMPROVED PROPERTY HAS A DWELLING OR SOME BUILDING ON IT.
HOWEVER, OUR CODE PRIOR TO THE CHANGE STATED THAT ANY THING PROPERTY THAT WAS ZONED G WHICH THE GOLF COURSE WAS, WAS CONSIDERED UNIMPROVED, EVEN THOUGH IT HAD A BUILDING ON IT.
SO AS LONG AS IT'S CONSIDERED UNIMPROVED, THEY DON'T HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE A VACANT LOT.
YOU JUST HAVE TO MAINTAIN THAT 15 FOOT BUFFER.
SO THAT WAS A CONTRADICTION THAT WE BEGAN WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT.
THEY CITED THEM IMPROPERLY AS A IMPROVED PROPERTY.
IN FACT, THEY WERE ZONED GIU, WHICH MEANS THAT THEY WERE UNIMPROVED.
SO THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A 15 FOOT BUFFER REQUIREMENT.
THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW.
ACCORDING TO THE CODE, IF THEY REMAIN, GQ IS CONSIDERED UNIMPROVED PROPERTY.
BY US REMOVING THAT CONTRADICTORY LANGUAGE NOW REQUIRES THEM BECAUSE THEY HAVE ACTUAL STRUCTURES ON THE GOLF COURSE TO BE CONSIDERED IMPROVED PROPERTY EVEN THOUGH IT'S ZONED G.
SO NOW THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS THAT THAT WAS CLEAR THAT THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE.
BUT AS LONG AS THIS IS APPROVED BY YOURSELF AND COUNCIL NOW BE CONSIDERED AS IMPROVED PROPERTY, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE IN DON'T.
NO, NO, BOB, WE'VE ALREADY CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I CAN SECOND FROM ROBERT ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.
I ALL OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY IS HOW THERE'S NO OTHER BUSINESS.
THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.