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. ROLL CALL PLEASE.PRESIDENT, VICE CHAIR, REBECCA.
I REMEMBER EMORY FRAZIER PRESIDENT AND PAUL EDWARDS.
[ADOPTION OF MINUTES]
I NEED A MOTION TO ADOPT THE MINUTES OF THE.JUNE 27TH, MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE MINUTES OF THE JUNE 27TH MEETING.
HE SAID WE DON'T ADOPT THE SECOND SET OF MINUTES BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE A QUORUM.
BE IN ATTENDANCE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT UNLESS ANY OF THE BOARD WISHES TO COMMENT AS A CITIZEN.
I ALWAYS HEAR. HE I MEAN, LAST TIME IT WASN'T, BUT LIKE, I HEAR TWO TIMES IN A ROW.
I DON'T KNOW. I CAN NEVER THINK OF A MEETING WITHOUT HIM BEING HERE AND NOT SEEING HIM TWICE.
I WAS LIKE, HEY, IT'S LIKE, I KNOW THAT'S JUST WEIRD TO ASK, BUT IT'S.
I CAN REACH OUT TO HIM TOMORROW.
OKAY? I WAS LIKE, SOMEBODY CHECK ON BILL FOR ME.
THEN I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR ME.
WELL. OKAY, BECAUSE I SEE YOUR OH SIX VERSUS OH, I SEE WHAT SHE'S SAYING.
OH. IS THE JUNE EXTRA, JUNE 2206.
THE ONE THAT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.
VERIFY. ON TO BUSINESS TONIGHT.
[BUSINESS]
THE CITY UTILITY DEPARTMENT FROM CHRIS LYTTLE, THE CITY'S UTILITIES DIRECTOR.I AM THE UTILITIES DIRECTOR AND UTILITIES ENGINEER.
BUT I WAS TOLD THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO HEAR AS A BOARD AS WELL.
SO. A LITTLE BIT ABOUT PALM BAY UTILITIES.
THE PALM BAY UTILITIES DEPARTMENT OPERATES AS AN ENTERPRISE FUND DIRECTLY UNDER THE CITY GOVERNMENT, WITH MANAGEMENT AND ADMIN PROVIDED THROUGH CITY STAFF AS AN ENTERPRISE FUND.
THESE ARE COLLECTED BY THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT.
COVER THE COSTS OF OPERATING THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT.
THE DEPARTMENT PROVIDES WATER, WASTEWATER AND RECLAIMED WATER SERVICES TO RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES OF PALM BAY, THE TOWN OF MALABAR AND MISCELLANEOUS AREAS WITHIN BREVARD COUNTY.
WE AT THIS MOMENT HAVE APPROXIMATELY 163 POSITIONS AND IT'S BROKEN DOWN INTO ADMINISTRATION BUSINESS OPERATIONS, WHICH IS EFFECTIVELY MY POSITION.
ASSISTANT DIRECTOR I'M SORRY, BUSINESS OPERATIONS.
THE ENGINEERING DIVISION HAS PLANNING, DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OVERSIGHT FOR UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE.
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MAINTAINING THE CITY'S GIS SYSTEM AND THE UTILITY DEPARTMENT'S CITY WORKS PROGRAM, WHICH IS A COMPUTERIZED MAINTENANCE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.IT'S ESSENTIALLY USED AS AN ASSET MANAGEMENT SYSTEM FOR THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT.
AND THEN THE LARGEST PORTION OF THE UTILITY IS THE OPERATIONS DIVISION, WHICH COVERS OUR TREATMENT PLANTS AT THE NORTH AND SOUTH CAMPUS AND THEN THE DISTRIBUTION COLLECTIONS AND MAINTENANCE SECTIONS.
BEFORE YOU MOVE ON. SO I NOTICED THAT.
ONE, IF EVERY POSITION WAS FILLED, IS THAT DO YOU STILL FEEL THAT THAT'S ACCURATE FOR WHAT NEEDS TO TAKE FOR THE POSITIONS THAT YOU WOULD NEED FOR A CITY THIS SIZE? JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, BECAUSE OF THE SIZE, BECAUSE WE'RE 80 SQUARE MILES, IT IS DIFFICULT WITH THAT LEVEL OF STAFFING TO COVER IT ALL.
BUT BECAUSE THE AND YOU'LL SEE LATER IN THE PRESENTATION WHERE I TALK ABOUT WHERE WE'RE LOCATED AND WHAT PERCENT WERE BUILT OUT, IT IS WHAT IT IS WITH THE STAFF THAT WE HAVE ON HAND.
BUT WE MAKE DO WITH THE THE STAFF THAT WE HAVE AT THIS TIME.
APPARENTLY. I JUST NOTICED THAT ROUGHLY 10%.
YOU'RE UNDERSTAFFED RIGHT NOW.
CORRECT. THAT JUST ISSUES RETAINING.
THE PAY IS KIND OF LOW FOR THE INDUSTRY AND THE CITY IS TRYING TO RESOLVE THAT THROUGH SALARY STUDY THAT I THINK EVERYONE'S HEARD ABOUT REPEATEDLY. KO KO KO KO.
MELBOURNE. EVERYWHERE THE COUNTY ANYBODY.
SO WE HAVE INSPECTORS THAT FOR INSTANCE, A COMPLIANCE INSPECTOR THAT LOOKS AT PRIVATE LIVE STATIONS, FATS, OILS AND GREASE MONITORING, WATER QUALITY TECHNICIAN THAT SAMPLES ALL OF OUR SAMPLING STATIONS TO ENSURE THAT THE POTABLE WATER IS IN COMPLIANCE.
SAFETY IS ALSO A COMPONENT OF THAT.
AS FAR AS THE JOB DESCRIPTIONS AND REQUIREMENTS, DO YOU THINK THEY'RE IN LINE WITH THE INDUSTRY? YES. AND IS IT LIKE A LOT OF ENTRY LEVEL POSITIONS AND THEN YOU ALL TRAIN THEM UP OR ARE TYPICALLY IN OPERATIONS? THAT'S HOW IT WORKS. WE JUST RECENTLY HAD A POSITION CONTROL CHANGE TO WHERE MAINTENANCE WORKERS AND WATER AND SEWER LINE TECHNICIANS WERE RECLASSIFIED TO UTILITY TECHNICIANS WITH LEVELS FROM 1 TO 4.
SO WE JUST IMPLEMENTED THAT TRYING TO AS YOU GET YOUR CERTIFICATIONS AND EXPERIENCE, YOU CAN LEVEL UP WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT AND THERE'S THE CITY SPONSOR THAT FOR THEM OR THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR.
THERE ARE PAYMENTS THAT ARE ALLOWED THROUGH THE UNION CONTRACT.
THEY GO GET LIKE A LEVEL THREE LICENSE AND THEN THEY GET AN AUTOMATIC CORRECT.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORK FOR A POSITION TO BECOME VACANT.
CORRECT. WE CAN RECLASSIFY WITHIN.
I'LL JUST HIT ON THIS BRIEFLY.
LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE TWO CAMPUSES.
ONE IS IN THE NORTHEAST PART OF THE CITY.
AROUND THE CORNER FROM HARRIS, AND THAT'S OUR NORTH REGIONAL UTILITIES CAMPUS.
AND THEN WE HAVE A CAMPUS IN BAYSIDE, WHICH IS CALLED SOUTH REGIONAL UTILITIES CAMPUS.
FOR POTABLE WATER, WE HAVE AT THIS TIME TWO TREATMENT PLANTS IN THE NORTHEAST.
WE HAVE A 10 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY WATER TREATMENT PLANT THAT IS A LIME SOFTENING PLANT.
AND THEN IN THE SOUTH, WE HAVE A 4 MILLION GALLON PER DAY REVERSE OSMOSIS WATER TREATMENT PLANT.
SOME OF THE OTHER KEY POINTS IN HERE TALKING ABOUT HOW LARGE THE CITY IS.
WE HAVE 673 MILES OF WATER MAIN ALONE, OVER 3000 HYDRANTS, 6500 VALVES AND THEN OVER 100 SAMPLING POINTS. AND THOSE CONTINUE TO GROW AS THE DEVELOPMENT KEEPS COMING ONLINE, THIS DEVELOPMENT.
AND AS THEY COME ONLINE, WE'RE REQUIRED TO ADD ADDITIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE, INCLUDING SAMPLING STATIONS IN THESE NEW AREAS IN ORDER TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH THE HEALTH CODE.
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ARE WE CONNECTING THE NEW INFRASTRUCTURES WHICH ARE COMING ONLINE? ARE WE CONNECTING THOSE TO THE.WHAT THE SYSTEM SO PWDS, FOR INSTANCE, THEY ARE OBLIGATED TO CONNECT TO CENTRALIZED WATER AND SEWER SYSTEMS. EXCUSE ME. FOR THE INDIVIDUAL PODS.
MEANWHILE, PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO EXPLAIN THAT. BUT YES, AS THESE DEVELOPERS CONSTRUCT THESE NEIGHBORHOODS, THESE BRAND NEW NEIGHBORHOODS, THEY CONNECT TO THE SYSTEM AND THAT THEY CONNECT TO WATER AND SEWER.
WHY NOT RECLAIMED WATER? BECAUSE BECAUSE RECLAIMED WATER IS DIFFICULT TO SEND OUT TO THE OUTER REACHES OF THE CITY.
RIGHT NOW, WE ONLY HAVE ONE SOURCE FOR RECLAIMED WATER, WHICH IS IN THE NORTHEAST AROUND HARRIS.
AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS WERE NOT SET UP TO ACCEPT RECLAIMED WATER EXCEPT FOR ONE SANDY PINES.
AND THEN ALSO RIGHT NOW, WE'RE CONNECTING COUNTRY CLUB LAKES ESTATES.
WE ALSO HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMERCIAL USERS.
HARRIS RENAISSANCE, AND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OTHER MINOR USERS.
IN THE NORTHEAST AND THE SOUTH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE RECLAIMED WATER ABILITY ONCE THE NEW PLANTS ONLINE AND WE'RE GOING TO EXTEND THROUGHOUT BAYSIDE AND TRY TO MAXIMIZE ITS USE WITH THE WITH THE PODS.
IS YOUR INPUT HEAVILY WEIGHED IN WHEN THEY GO THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCESS? YES, ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS, THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENTS REVIEW THE POD AND GIVE COMMENTS AND THEN IT GOES TO THE P AND Z.
AND THEN THE COUNCIL WITH OUR COMMENTS INCLUDED, FOR EXAMPLE, THE CONSTRUCTIONS THAT ARE TAKING PLACE ON HERITAGE PARK IN THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE BEING DEVELOPED. ALL OF THOSE WILL HAVE WATER FROM THE.
AND. SO MOVING OVER TO THE WASTEWATER SIDE, RIGHT NOW, WE ONLY HAVE ONE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT THAT'S LOCATED IN THE NORTHEAST PART OF THE CITY, WHILE ONE FACILITY WASTEWATER FACILITY, THERE ARE TWO PLANTS ACROSS THE STREET FROM EACH OTHER.
ONE IS A 4 MILLION GALLON PER DAY AERATION CONVENTIONAL AERATION TREATMENT PLANT.
AND ACROSS THE STREET IS A 1.2 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY EXTENDED AERATION TREATMENT PLANT.
BUT COMBINED, WE HAVE A TOTAL TREATMENT CAPACITY RIGHT NOW OF 5.2 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.
AND THEN OUT IN THE SYSTEM WE HAVE 128 LIFT STATIONS, 236 MILES OF GRAVITY SEWER OR 5000 MANHOLES, 100 MILES OF SANITARY FORCE MAIN AND OVER 600 VALVES THAT WE MAINTAIN THROUGHOUT THE SYSTEM.
IT IS PERMITTED AS A 2.3 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY LAND APPLICATION TREATMENT SYSTEM.
SO IT'S NON-POTABLE USES PRIMARILY IRRIGATION AND THEN COOLING PURPOSES.
AND THEN IN THE NORTHEAST, THERE'S A TOTAL OF 11.3 MILES OF THIS RECLAIMED WATER MAIN.
WE CAN WALK AS IT USED JUST FOR FOR LIKE GARDENING AND SO FORTH, FOR DRINKING.
NO, OUR RECLAIMED WATER IS NOT TREATED TO A STANDARD FOR POTABLE USE.
AND OUR PERMITTED USES ARE FOR COOLING TOWERS AND FOR LANDSCAPE IRRIGATION IN THE NEW LIFT STATION.
WHEN APPROXIMATELY DO YOU ALL SEE THAT COMING ONLINE? WHICH? THE NEW LIFT STATION.
THE NEW TREATMENT PLANT. I'M SORRY.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT.
IT WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED TO BE COMPLETED AT THE END OF THIS YEAR.
WE HAD SOME CHANGE ORDERS THAT EXTENDED TO MAY OF NEXT YEAR.
AND ONE QUESTION FOR YOU ON THIS SLIDE.
SEVERAL TIMES YOU MENTIONED DEEP INJECTION WELLS.
YES, SOME STUDIES, SOME READING ON THOSE.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS WITH THAT.
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WHAT IS THE CURRENT CONDITION OF OUR DEEP INJECTION? SO WE RECENTLY HAD A MECHANICAL INTEGRITY TEST ON BOTH OF OUR WELLS, AND THEY'RE IN GOOD SHAPE.THEY PASSED STANDARD THROUGH DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION.
AS LONG AS THEY'RE MAINTAINED AND YOU'RE NOT SENDING WHETHER IT'S ACIDIC OR CAUSTIC MATERIALS DOWN, THEN THEY I WOULDN'T SAY LAST FOREVER, BUT THEY MAINTAIN THEIR INTEGRITY.
THE OTHER AT THE SOUTH REGIONAL CAMPUS.
I WANT TO SAY IT'S CLOSE TO 2000 FEET.
SO REAL QUICK ABOUT OUR BUDGETS.
WE RECOGNIZE THOSE REVENUES AND IT COUNTS AGAINST OUR BUDGETS.
AND BETWEEN FISCAL YEAR 29, ALL THE WAY TO WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED FOR FISCAL YEAR 23, YOU CAN SEE THAT OUR PROJECTED REVENUES ARE PRETTY MUCH VARYING BETWEEN $59,000,089 MILLION.
WITH OUR EXPENDITURES BACK TO THE SYSTEM BETWEEN 45,000,098 MILLION.
CHARGES FOR SERVICES ACCOUNT FOR 50 TO 60% OF OUR REVENUES, AND THAT'S JUST THE TYPICAL MONTHLY UTILITY BILLS AND THOSE FEES ASSOCIATED WITH IT. AND THEN OPERATING EXPENSES ACCOUNT FOR 50% OF OUR EXPENDITURES.
AND WITHIN THAT, 15% OF THOSE EXPENDITURES ARE PERSONNEL COSTS.
CHRIS. YES, SORRY, BECAUSE I CAN'T.
SO WE'RE ESTIMATED TO ESTIMATED, I CAN SPEAK TODAY TO SPEND MORE THAN WHAT WE'RE BRINGING IN FOR FY 22 AND FY 23.
CORRECT. IT LOOKS LIKE THAT BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT ACCOUNTING AND I HAVE A NOTE ABOUT THAT.
IT'S THE WAY ACCOUNTING RECOGNIZES LOAN PROCEEDS BECAUSE WE HAD TWO LOANS THAT CAME IN.
THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT DOES HAVE A PRETTY HEALTHY FUND BALANCE IN OPERATING AND R&R FUND.
SO WE DO DIP IN BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS THAT WE'RE FIXING, UPDATING OR REPLACING THAT WE HAVE OVER THE YEARS GONE INTO THAT FUND BALANCE.
REVENUE. THAT'S. EXPENSES FOR A LIST GOES OUT LIKE WHAT YOUR FUND BALANCES THAT YOU CARRY FORWARD.
SO THE FUND. YES, IT WOULD CARRY FORWARD.
WHAT ARE YOU USING THE CELL PHONE FOR? SO THE ONLY PROJECT RIGHT NOW THAT WE HAVE FOR SRF IS THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW WASTEWATER PLANT.
THE OTHER 40 IS EVERYTHING FROM OUR DAY TO DAY ACTIVITIES, PEOPLE.
WE HAVE PERMITS THAT WE ISSUE WITHIN THE CODE.
THERE ARE ALL SORTS OF MISCELLANEOUS FEES THAT ARE CHARGED THROUGHOUT.
AND OVER THE YEARS BECAUSE OF THE.
I MEAN, IT LOOKS PRETTY LARGE AS FAR AS THE OVERAGE.
HAS THAT ALLOWED YOU GUYS TO THINK ABOUT GOING BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AS FAR AS FEES TO THE RESIDENTS OR NOT BASED ON OUR RATE STUDIES? EVERY YEAR STANTEC DOES AN EVALUATION OF WHERE WE ARE AND WHERE WE NEED TO BE.
SO OUR RATE CONSULTANT LOOKS AT OUR FIVE YEAR SIP, LOOKS AT WHERE WE NEED TO BE AND TELLS US, ARE WE BRINGING IN ENOUGH REVENUE? AND BASED ON THE PROJECTION, THE AMOUNT OF INFRASTRUCTURE WE NEED TO PUT IN THE GROUND TO KEEP UP WITH DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO YOU SAID BASED OFF OF THE DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S WHAT'S PUSHING US THAT WAY.
PRIMARILY, WE'RE HAVING TO USE OPERATING DOLLARS TO COVER IMPACT THE DEVELOPMENT, THE DEVELOPERS.
I DON'T GIVE FREEBIES, FOR INSTANCE, OR IMPACT FEE CREDITS UNLESS IT'S OWED.
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THEY'RE PUTTING EVERYTHING THEY HAVE TO INTO THE SYSTEM PER THE CODE, AND IT'S STILL NOT ENOUGH TO KEEP UP.SO ARE THERE IMPACT FEES BEING ASSESSED AND INCREASED THE SAME WAY? HOW THE SO WE EVERY FIVE YEARS WE LOOK AT OUR IMPACT FEES AND WE JUST TWO YEARS AGO I LOOKED AT OUR IMPACT FEES AND INCREASED THEM.
WHY HAS THAT NOT DONE NEARLY LIKE YOU ALL DO? BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO.
BUT YOU WOULDN'T WANT FOR THE IMPACT FEES, THE ANALYSIS.
IT'S A LITTLE MORE IN-DEPTH THAN THE NORMAL ANALYSIS.
YOU HAVE TO PRETTY MUCH ITEMIZE YOUR ASSETS, DO A CALCULATION.
AND WHEN THEY EVALUATE IT, DO THEY DO THE INCREASE AT A PERCENTAGE THAT ALLOWS FOR THAT FIVE YEAR GAP? THEY. LIKE.
NO, NO, NO. SO WHEN THEY EVALUATE IT, WHEN THEY LOOK AT IT AND SEE WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE, WE EITHER KEEP IT WHERE IT'S AT DECREASE, THAT CAN HAPPEN WITH IMPACT FEES OR INCREASE IN THE WAY OF THE STATUTE.
BUT THERE'S NO LOOKING BACKWARDS AND SAYING, OH, WE SHOULD HAVE COLLECTED X AMOUNT.
IT IS WHAT IT IS FROM THE TIME THAT I'M LOOKING FORWARD.
YOU COULD SAY, FOR INSTANCE, OUR SEWER IMPACT FEE IS 30 $300 PER YEAR.
GET IT? BUT WE'RE STILL NOT THERE, ARE THEY POTENTIALLY BECAUSE IT'S DIFFICULT, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE ANTICIPATING A LARGE INCREASE TO TELL A DEVELOPER THAT WE'RE DOUBLING IT OR TRIPLING IT.
IT'S NOT FEASIBLE FROM OUR EXPERIENCE TRYING TO IMPOSE SOMETHING OF THAT MAGNITUDE.
THE OTHER THING IS IMPACT FEES.
SO YOU LOOK AT IF I INCREASE A 10%, IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
BUT IT'S OVERALL, IT'S A RELATIVELY SMALL DOLLAR AMOUNT COMPARED TO OUR TYPICAL REVENUES.
BUT THEN EVEN THOUGH IT'S SMALL, WE STILL END UP HAVING TO EAT IT AT THE END.
YOU EVALUATE IT, IT COULD GO DOWN.
TO BE HONEST, THEN WE'RE STILL LACKING.
SO HOW WOULD IT GO? I MEAN, JUST BASED OFF AND I MEAN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE WAY THAT I RECEIVE WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS THAT WE'RE STILL NOT RECEIVING AS MUCH IMPACT FEES AS WE SHOULD BASED OFF OF THE AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW.
LIKE THERE'S STILL A LACK THERE IS SOME TYPE OF.
I GUESS ON BALANCE, YOU CAN ONLY TAKE SO MUCH MONEY FROM THE DEVELOPERS, FROM THE SYSTEM.
IF I WERE TO COLLECT EVERY SINGLE IMPACT FEE.
OH, DEAR. THEY WOULDN'T EVEN COME CLOSE TO COVERING THE COST OF THE PLANT.
I WOULD HAVE TO QUADRUPLE THE IMPACT FEES I CAN ONLY TAKE BASED ON OUR ASSETS AND ASSESS.
I MEAN, THIS IS IMPACT FEES ARE GOVERNED BY FLORIDA STATUTE.
I CAN ONLY ASSESS WHAT THE CONSULTANT SAYS IT SHOULD BE.
OKAY. AND THEN HAVE YOU ALL EVER AND I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S IF IT'S PROTOCOL OR NOT, BUT WHERE THERE IS A GRADUAL INCREASE VERSUS WE HAVEN'T HAD TO DO SO BEFORE THE PANDEMIC KICKED OFF, WE WERE LOOKING BASED ON THE SIP RIGHT WHEN I WAS COMING ON AS THE DIRECTOR.
WE WERE LOOKING AT IT AND WE WERE THINKING WE WOULD HAVE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT THE EVALUATION BY THE CONSULTANT, WE ONLY HAD TO DO A ONE TIME IMPACT FEE ADJUSTMENT THEN.
AND THEN A COUPLE OF YEARS LATER WHEN WE PERFORMED OUR LAST ADJUSTMENT.
NO, AS FAR AS FEES FOR THE RESIDENTS, YES.
YES. WHAT DIFFERS IN THOSE ASSESSMENTS? I GUESS IT'S THE WAY FOR THE IMPACT, THE WAY YOU LOOK AT YOUR ASSETS AND YOU LOOK AT YOUR SIPP WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT
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THE. THE DAY TO DAY OPERATION.THEY'RE LOOKING AT EVERYTHING ALL IN ONE.
WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO RUN THE DEPARTMENT, MAINTAIN THE DEPARTMENT, AND AGAIN, LOOK AT OUR IP.
I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. WHAT THEY DO.
EXCUSE ME. THE HOOKUP FEES ARE JUST A LITTLE BIT OVER $10,000 PER RESIDENT.
CAN YOU DO THE PODS? IS THAT STILL THE CASE OR DO THEY GET A KIND OF A LUMP SUM DEAL? WELL, SO WHEN THE PODS DO IT, THEY JUST PAY.
THEY PAY FOR EVERYTHING TO PUT IN THE GROUND.
THE ASSESSMENT IS ASSUMING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GO IN AS THE CITY AND INSTALL IT AND THEN RECOVER THE INSTALLATION FEES FROM THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE EXISTING. SO IN A PAD, IT'S VACANT AND IT'S CONSTRUCTION.
INTO THE GROUND AND TO HOOK UP OR WERE RESPONSIBLE.
SO THE IMPACT FEES ARE PAID BY THE DEVELOPER.
THE INSTALLATION OF EVERYTHING IS PAID FOR BY THE DEVELOPER.
THE ONLY THING THAT'S PAID IS THAT TIME TO CONNECT THE METER FEE, THE DEPOSITS.
SO IT'S $600, $700 FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL TO COME IN WHEN THEY ACTUALLY CONNECT.
BUT ALL EVERYTHING TO INSTALL IT IS BORNE BY THE DEVELOPER AND A PWD.
THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT DOESN'T PAY FOR ANYTHING.
SO THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THAT THAT EXTRA COST IS.
AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE I WASN'T SURE HOW THE PROCESS WENT.
RIGHT. AND IS ANYTHING BEING DONE TO CONSIDER THAT CONVERSION AMOUNT? I MEAN BECAUSE. THAT'S JUST LIKE.
SO CONVERSION INTO EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO I LOOKED AT IT WHEN I CAME OVER AS A UTILITY ENGINEER IN 2017.
AND WE WERE LOOKING AT WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO DO AN ASSESSMENT IN UNIT 32 AND TO CONNECT, I WON'T SAY AS ABOUT 2000 HOMES WITHOUT REPAIRING THE ROADS IT WAS GOING TO COST TO PUT A CONVENTIONAL SYSTEM IN $50 MILLION.
AND THEN THAT WAS GRAVITY SEWER.
THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE ONLY THING THAT'S FEASIBLE.
WE CAN'T HAVE 2000 LITTLE WELL, INDIVIDUAL LIFT STATIONS, A LITTLE GRINDER PUMP SYSTEM.
SO IT WAS EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE.
AND WHEN YOU PUT THE PRICE TAG ON IT, WHEREAS WHEN A DEVELOPER HAS A GREENFIELD PROJECT AND CAN JUST PUT IT IN, IT'S LESS THAN HALF THE COST GENERALLY. ANOTHER QUESTION AND.
I KNOW YOU'VE PROBABLY ANSWERED THIS QUESTION, BUT JUST NOT A WAY THAT I UNDERSTOOD IT.
FISCAL YEAR 22, YOU GO UP ABOUT 35%.
IT'S THE WAY ON THE ACCOUNTING SIDE THAT WE ACCOUNT FOR COMMERCIAL LOAN AND THEN A THE XREF.
SO WHEN I PUT THIS TOGETHER FOR THE COUNCIL PRESENTATION AS OF SEPTEMBER 8TH, WE ARE ALMOST AT.
OR LITTLE OVER 40,000 POTABLE WATER CONNECTIONS.
DRINKING WATER CONNECTIONS WERE ALMOST AT 20,000 SEWER CONNECTIONS.
THEN YOU CAN SEE THE CUSTOMER GROWTH FROM FISCAL YEAR 19 THROUGH 22, WHERE 19 PRE-PANDEMIC 677 NEW CUSTOMERS FOR WATER AND THEN 267 FOR SEWER FISCAL YEAR 20.
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IT'S BUMPS UP FISCAL YEAR 21.AND THEN FISCAL YEAR 22, WE'RE ALMOST TRIPLE OF WHAT WE WERE DOING IN FISCAL YEAR 19.
SO AS THE PANDEMIC HAS RAGED ON, DEVELOPMENT HAS NOT STOPPED AT ALL.
AND WE ARE CONNECTING MORE PEOPLE THAN EVER TO BOTH WATER AND SEWER.
YOU GUYS HAVE A BREAK. DO YOU HAVE IT BROKEN OUT BY RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL BY CHANCE? UM, COMMERCIAL WOULD BE A VERY SMALL PORTION OF THIS.
IT'S ALMOST ALL RESIDENTIAL THAT'S CONNECTING TO THE SYSTEM.
YEAH. THANKS FOR THE CONFIRMATION.
YOU HAVE AN EXCELLENT ARGUMENT THERE FOR SOME ADDITIONAL STAFF, THOUGH.
THAT'S. I WAS JUST ABOUT TO ASK YOU THAT.
DO YOU HAVE A CHART THAT SHOWS? SO WHEN WE SAW THE STAFFING CHART EARLIER IS HOW IS THAT GROWN YEAR OVER YEAR FROM FY 19, FY 22? IS IT BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENT OR HAVE WE SEEN AN INCREASE IN POSITIONS? IT WAS A LITTLE STAGNANT THE FIRST COUPLE OF YEARS I WAS HERE, BUT THEN I NOTICED HOW THINGS WERE EXPANDING.
I BUMPED IT UP TO A FOURTH CREW.
I'M GOING TO REQUEST A FIFTH CREW.
THE COLLECTION SIDE AND YOU'LL SEE IN THE LATER CHART COLLECTIONS IS MUCH SMALLER THAN DISTRIBUTION.
SO ON THE SEWER SIDE RIGHT NOW, I HAVE THREE CREWS AND THEY'RE ABLE TO PRETTY WELL HANDLE WHAT WE HAVE THOUGH DURING THE HURRICANE, TROPICAL STORM SCARE WITH IAN, WE WERE HAVING ISSUES ON THE SYSTEM.
SO I PROBABLY WILL LOOK FOR A FOURTH CREW IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
BUT WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, IT'S WE'RE A LITTLE STRESSED, BUT WE'RE MAKING IT WORK.
IT'LL INITIALLY BE CONSTRUCTED TO HAVE 1 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY OF TREATMENT CAPACITY.
THERE'S A POTENTIAL THAT THIS WILL BLEED INTO THE THIRD QUARTER OF 2024, BUT WE ARE WORKING WITH THEM TO TRY TO LOOK AT SOME RECOVERY OF THEIR SCHEDULE, TO TRY TO SHORTEN THAT, BRING IT CLOSER TO THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION COMPLETION DATE.
REAR WINDOW SOUTH REGIONAL CAMPUS IN BAYSIDE.
THE ESTIMATED TIME OF COMPLETION WAS NOVEMBER, BUT AGAIN, PANDEMIC DELAYS CONTINUE.
NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THERE WILL BE A CHANGE ORDER PRESENTED AT COUNCIL AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.
AND WE'RE I BELIEVE THE NEW SCHEDULE IS GOING TO HAVE IT ENDING IN FEBRUARY OF 2023.
SO WE'RE DELAYED A COUPLE MORE MONTHS BEFORE THAT WORK IS DONE.
ARE THE DELAYS CAUSING MORE EXPENDITURES LIKE MORE EXPENSES? IT WILL CAUSE MORE EXPENDITURES BECAUSE I HAVE A CONSULTANT, THE ENGINEERING RECORD HAS TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON THE PROJECT.
THEY CAN SCALE BACK A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE THERE'S LESS ACTIVITY BECAUSE WE'RE WAITING FOR THINGS, BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE'LL HAVE TO PAY A LITTLE MORE MONEY FOR TO ACCOUNT FOR THE CONTRACTORS DELAYS AS FAR AS LIKE EQUIPMENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BECAUSE THINGS DO INCREASE, I GUESS AT THIS POINT HOUR BY HOUR.
BUT WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP KEEP THAT UNDER CONTROL AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, THE CONTRACTORS AS WELL, BECAUSE THEY'LL SUBMIT A QUOTE, SAY HERE'S HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST IN TWO WEEKS LATER. OH, IT WENT UP 25%.
THE CONTRACTORS ARE DOING WHAT THEY CAN TO KEEP THAT UNDER CONTROL, AT LEAST.
FOR FIVE YEAR PRIORITIES EXPANSION WISE AT THE NORTH CAMPUS, WE HAVE A LIME SOFTENING PLANT THAT. THE WELLS, THE WELL FIELD IS CONTINUING TO HAVE SALTWATER INTRUSION. ITS SURFACE WATER OR GROUNDWATER WELLS FROM THE SURFACE OIL AQUIFER.
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SO ONE THING WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING AT ONE TIME, THE CITY HAD A REVERSE OSMOSIS PLANT IN NORTHEAST PALM BAY IN ORDER TO SAVE ENERGY COSTS BECAUSE IT'S EXPENSIVE TO RUN ROE.KNOWING THAT WE'RE HAVING ISSUES WITH OUR WELL FIELD FOR THE SURFACE AQUIFER LIME SOFTENING PLANT, WE ARE LOOKING TO BRING THE ROE BACK AND SLOWLY BUT SURELY INCREASE OUR CAPACITY AND MINIMIZE THE LIME SOFTENING CAPACITY.
AND THIS WILL MAKE ST JOHN'S VERY HAPPY.
THEY FOR YEARS HAVE BEEN ASKING US TO LIMIT OUR WITHDRAWALS OFF OF THAT SUPERFICIAL AQUIFER AND THIS WILL BRING US CLOSER TO BEING ABLE TO DO THAT. THEN AT OUR SOUTH REGIONAL CAMPUS OVER FIVE YEARS.
SO WE'RE EXPANDING OUR WATER PLANT TO 6 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.
I'M ALREADY LOOKING AT HAVING TO EXPAND IT AGAIN TO 10 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.
I'M ALREADY PLANNING TO EXPAND IT TO SIX TO KEEP UP WITH THE DEMAND.
WITH THAT NEW WASTEWATER PLANT, WE'RE LOOKING TO EXTEND RECLAIM WATER SERVICE THROUGHOUT BAYSIDE.
THERE'S ONE OR TWO DEVELOPMENTS I'M AWARE OF THAT DON'T.
BUT THEY'RE TO HAVE IT CENTRALIZED SO THAT IF WE EXTEND RECLAIMED WATER SERVICE ADJACENT TO THE FRONTAGE OF THEIR PROPERTY, THEY'RE OBLIGATED TO CONNECT TO OUR SYSTEM.
AND MOST OF THE SUBDIVISIONS WITHIN BAYSIDE WOULD CONNECT WHEN THAT'S MADE AVAILABLE.
WE'RE ASKED ALL THE TIME, WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO EXTEND SERVICE TO MY HOUSE? WHEN THERE'S A WATER MAIN THAT'S 1000 FEET AWAY.
PROBLEM IS, IT'S EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE AND THEN IT CREATES A DEAD END IN OUR WATER MAIN SYSTEM.
SO WHEN I GIVE THEM A PRICE TAG, IT WILL COST $200,000 TO GET IT TO YOU AND PROPERLY LOOP IT.
FOR WATER QUALITY PURPOSES, IT KIND OF KILLS IT RIGHT THERE.
WE'RE DOING WHAT WE CAN WITH THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE.
BUT AGAIN, OUR DEBT SERVICE PAYING OLD WEATHER, OLD BONDS, LOANS, ETC., THAT'S PRETTY MUCH BEING UTILIZED TO COVER THOSE.
SO TRYING TO BRIDGE THE GAPS IN MULTIPLE SPACES OR LOCATIONS.
I'M SORRY. RIGHT NOW, THERE'S ONE WATER MAIN FEED GOING ALONG MALABAR ROAD TO THE HOSPITAL.
WE'RE LOOKING TO EXTEND IT AND LOOP IT BACK.
WE HAVE THE WATER SERVICE FOR THE TOWN OF MALABAR.
THERE'S A LINE ON QUARRY ROAD, AND WE ARE LOOKING TO DESIGN AN EXTENSION TO GO PRETTY MUCH FROM THE HOSPITAL TO QUARRY ROAD. RIGHT NOW, IF THAT MAIN WOULD BREAK ON MALABAR ROAD, THE HOSPITAL WOULD BE OUT OF WATER.
YES, AND AS FAR AS I KNOW, ONE TIME IT'S HAPPENED.
WOW. WHAT PART OF MALABAR? IT'S PART OF MALABAR. YES, BUT WE HAVE THE RIGHTS.
THE PALM BAY UTILITIES DEPARTMENT IS A SERVICE PROVIDER FOR WATER IN THE ENTIRE AREA OF MALABAR.
IS THAT JUST BECAUSE IT SLIPPED THROUGH THE.
FOUR FOR WHICH YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE'S, I THINK, TWO PADS THAT WERE NOT REQUIRED TO MAINSTREAM THE IRRIGATION SYSTEMS. THIS THIS WAS YEARS AND YEARS AGO.
ONE OF THEM, ONE OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS IS.
AND THAT'S WHEN I FOUND OUT THAT THEY'RE USING POTABLE WATER FOR IRRIGATION.
NO, I THOUGHT IT WAS SOMETHING LIKE.
AND. REDUCE OR HOW MUCH THE PLANTS PRODUCE.
WHAT ARE WE RUNNING RIGHT NOW AS FAR AS CAPACITY? HOW MUCH ARE WE USING?
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SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE RUNNING ANYWHERE.SO THE. SO BETWEEN THE TWO WATER PLANTS, OUR TOTAL CAPACITY IS 14 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY MAX DAY. SO I CAN PUMP THAT CONTINUOUSLY, BUT IN A PINCH I SHOULD BE ABLE 14 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY MAX DAY.
AND THEN FOR THE WASTE WATER, IT'S 5.2 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY CURRENTLY.
WHAT? A LITTLE MORE THAN HALF.
YES. BUT SO AGAIN, THESE GOING ON OH, WE'RE KEEPING KEEPING TABS.
BUT IN THE NORTHEAST, KEEP IN MIND, I HAVE 2 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY LIME SOFTENING PLANT.
I HAVE A CONSUMPTIVE USE PERMIT ON AN AVERAGE.
I CAN ONLY WITHDRAW 4.6 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.
SO I HAVE ABOUT 8.6 OF DAILY CAPACITY LEFT IN THE WATER SYSTEM.
AND THEN WITH THE NEW IPADS THAT ARE COMING IN, WHAT ARE OUR NUMBERS GOING TO LOOK LIKE THEN? IT JUST DEPENDS ON HOW MANY HOUSES OR IF IT'S A MIXED USE.
SO THE ONES ALREADY HAVE THEY HAVE A UTILITY AGREEMENTS WITH US.
I HAVEN'T ACCOUNTED FOR IN MY CALCULATION.
ANYTHING THAT'S COME IN AND IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION IS COVERED.
IT'S GOING TO BE CLOSE, BUT IT'S COVERED.
THE ONES WE HAVE ARE RIGHT HERE.
I MEAN, IT TAKES. YOU'RE BUILDING THEM IN LIKE THEY.
I MEAN, LIKE FROM APPLICATION.
I HAVE TO GO UP IN THREE WEEKS.
I WAS LIKE, WHOA, THIS IS AMAZING.
I MEAN, MAYBE WITH THE SALARY I.
YEAH. SORRY. WE JUST WERE FULL OF QUESTIONS.
A LITTLE INFORMAL, I THINK WE COULD.
NO PROBLEM. SO FOR OUR FIVE YEAR PRIORITIES FOR REHAB, I HAVE A COUPLE OF PICTURES.
IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE ON THE SLIDE, BUT JUST OLD RUSTED INFRASTRUCTURE.
AGAIN, THIS IS ORIGINAL EQUIPMENT TO THE TO THE CAMPUSES.
ONE OF THOSE, THE CIRCULAR UNIT.
THE TOP PICTURE IS FROM THE EARLY EIGHTIES.
AND THEN THE PICTURE AT THE BOTTOM IS FROM THE SEVENTIES, WHERE THE EQUIPMENT'S JUST ROTTED AWAY.
AND WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DESIGNING AND REHABBING THOSE AT THE NORTH REGIONAL CAMPUS.
THE ORIGINAL ADMINISTRATION BUILDING FOR THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT IS NOT HURRICANE RELATED, BUT DURING A HURRICANE, I HAVE HALF OF MY OPERATIONS STAFF SHELTERED IN PLACE.
SO WE'RE LOOKING TO FINALLY DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT TO REPLACE THAT BUILDING.
THERE'S ALSO, I CALL IT A SEWAGE DE-WATERING FACILITY.
RIGHT NOW WE HAVE JUST A LITTLE CORNER WHERE WE DUMP IT SO IT'LL DRY OUT PROPERLY ON SITE.
AND THEN YOU SCRAPE UP THE SOLIDS AND THEN HAUL IT TO THE LANDFILL.
WE'RE LOOKING TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT CAN ACTUALLY SUPPORT THE CITY OF OUR SIDE SIZE.
ALSO, OUR ELEVATED TANK AND OUR GROUND STORAGE TANK AT THE WATER PLANTS.
THE GROUND SOURCE TANK NEEDS TO BE INSPECTED AND REPAIRED PROPERLY ON THE INSIDE.
ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO OR 12 YEARS AGO, IT WAS REHABBED.
THE PAINT IS STARTING TO TEAR AWAY.
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ABOUT 2007, 2000 AND.14 YEARS. SO I WORK FOR THE CONSULTANT THAT WORKED WITH THE CITY TO TAKE CARE OF IT.
BUT THE PAINT IS KIND OF TEARING AWAY AND I NOTICED IT.
AND WE HAVE OUR CONSULTANT WORKING WITH US.
THEY PRESENTED THEIR FINDINGS AND WE'RE JUST WORKING THROUGH TO REPAIR IT.
NO, JUST IT'S JUST WATER IS ACCUMULATED BETWEEN THE OLD PAINT LAYER AND THE NEW.
IT LOOKS WAY WORSE THAN IT ACTUALLY IS.
BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
BUT ONE BUILDING WAS HURRICANE.
AFTER 2006, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY MAJOR DAMAGE.
THE THREE HURRICANES THAT HAVE RIPPED THROUGH FLORIDA BEFORE THAT THIS IS A DIFFERENT STORY.
WHEN THERE WAS MAJOR POWER LOSS AND STATIONS WERE OVERFLOWING.
I WAS DEALING WITH HURRICANE KATRINA WHEN I LIVED IN LOUISIANA.
SO. WE HAD WE HAD OVERFLOWS INCIDENTS IN THE CITY AT THAT TIME.
BUT SINCE THAT, WE'RE IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE AND WE HAVE CATEGORY RATED FACILITIES AT SOUTH REGIONALS.
SO THEY ARE ABLE TO HANDLE HURRICANE FORCE WINDS AT THAT CAMPUS.
HERE IT IS. WHAT? WHAT? HURRICANE. SO, BASED ON THE WIND LOADING, I BELIEVE IT'S MAX CAT, CATEGORY THREE.
BUT I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK BECAUSE I WAS ONCE TOLD THAT IT'S CATEGORY FIVE.
I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM A VERY STRONG HURRICANE.
OUR SOUTH REGIONAL CAMPUS DEFINITELY CAN WITHSTAND THE IMPACT FROM IT.
LIKE A HURRICANE. THE MAGNITUDE OF IAN THAT JUST CAME BY.
IT WAS A MINOR WIND DAMAGE EVEN.
MICHAEL, I'M SAYING IF WE WERE TO GET THE MAGNITUDE THAT FORT MYERS GOT IT.
OH, NO. IT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO WHAT HAPPENED YEARS AGO BECAUSE OF THE POWER LOSS.
I MEAN, THE COLLECTION SYSTEM WOULD PROBABLY OVERFLOW.
BUT I KNOW THE COLLECTION SYSTEM WAS THE THING THAT SUFFERED.
EVERYTHING ELSE HELD UP PRETTY WELL CONSIDERING ITS AGE.
WE'RE ONLY REQUIRED TO HAVE GENERATORS FOR LIFT STATIONS THAT RE PUMP.
OR WATER DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM HARDENING.
THERE'S A LOT OF ASBESTOS CEMENT PIPE IN THE NORTHEAST PART OF THE CITY.
THAT WAS THE PIPE THAT WAS USED QUITE OFTEN IN THE FIFTIES AND SIXTIES.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THE AREAS WHERE THERE ARE TWO TYPES.
THERE ARE SOME THAT'S REAL SPONGY ON THE OUTSIDE AND SOME THAT'S SUPER, SUPER STIFF.
AND THEN WE HAVE LOTS AND LOTS OF VALVES IN THE SYSTEM THAT THERE IN THE GROUND.
YOU DON'T NEED THEM UNTIL YOU NEED THEM.
SO NOW WE'RE GOING THROUGH ALL OF OUR VALVE INVENTORY.
BUT THERE IS A POINT, TYPICALLY 15 TO 20 YEARS IS THE LIFE OF A VALVE.
AND WE HAVE SOME THAT ARE 25 PLUS A LOT.
THEY'RE 25 PLUS AND THEN HYDRANTS AS WELL.
WE ARE ABLE TO SEE THE HYDRANTS AND THEY WERE ONCE PAINTED.
IT WAS A CITY MANAGER DECISION TO PAINT THEM WHITE AND GREEN AT ONE TIME.
AND WE WENT THROUGH AND CHANGED THEM ALL OUT.
AND NOW THEY'RE ALL JUST THE SAFETY YELLOW FOR CITY OWNED HYDRANTS.
BUT WE ARE KEEPING AN EYE ON THOSE.
THANK YOU. THEY'RE EASIER TO PAINT TO.
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SO, CHRIS, YOU JUST JUST LISTENING TO.SO FAR, WHAT I'VE HEARD, THERE IS A LOT OF POTENTIAL GROWTH OF TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH THAT.
BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF MAN WE HAVEN'T NECESSARILY KEPT UP IN THE PAST.
SO WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND WE HAVE TO DO ALL THAT.
SO ARE YOU IS THE WAY IN WHICH YOUR TEAM IS DESIGNED, WHERE YOU HAVE MORE LIKE CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE FOCUSED ON GETTING US CAUGHT UP VERSUS AND THEN THESE INDIVIDUALS WORKING ON MORE? SO THE PRESIDENT WHAT'S COMING OR IS IT JUST KIND OF WE DO WHAT WE CAN? UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S A LOT OF REACTIVE WORK.
THERE ARE PROGRAMS TO DO THE PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE MEASURES BECAUSE OF THE AGE OF OUR SYSTEM.
THE LIVE STATIONS THAT ARE OLDER.
WE ARE GOING THROUGH ANNUALLY AND COMPLETELY REPLACING THE PUMPS.
EVERYTHING ON THE INSIDE, REPAINTING THEM CAN ONLY DO A COUPLE AT A TIME AND THERE ARE 128 OF THEM.
BUT WE'RE REALLY MORE REACTIVE THAN ANYTHING AT THIS POINT, JUST TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH THE EQUIPMENT THAT MAY NOT NECESSARILY BEEN KEPT UP WITH IN THE PAST. I WOULD LIKE TO GET US INTO A POSITION WHERE WE'RE KIND OF SERVICING JUST TO ENSURE THAT IT DOESN'T FAIL INSTEAD OF SERVICING WHAT HAS FAILED AND THEN IN AN EMERGENCY MODE TRYING TO FIX IT.
YOU SAID YOU'D LIKE TO GET TO THAT YOUR MIND? WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO GET? A COUPLE OF HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS AND TRIPLE THE STAFF.
THEY ARE PAST THEIR LIVES TEN, 15 YEARS.
15 YEARS IS A LONG TIME FOR A VALVE.
SO IT'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF CAPITAL.
IT'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MANPOWER.
AND IT WOULD TAKE CONTRACTORS, IT WOULD TAKE MY STAFF.
IT WOULD TAKE A LOT TO REPLACE WHAT'S BEEN IN THE GROUND FOR SO LONG.
HOW IS THAT AFFECTING? NOW THE FREQUENCY OF LINE BREAKS, IT'S PVC, THE CALL IT THE NEWER THE PVC THAT WAS INSTALLED IN THE LATE EIGHTIES FORWARD WAS OF A DIFFERENT STANDARD THAT YOU'LL RUN INTO THIN WALLED WHITE PIPE THAT PREDATED THAT YOU DO HAVE CAST IRON PIPE AND THE GROUND AND THEN THE SPECIFIED CEMENT THAT'S JUST SUSCEPTIBLE TO MORE FREQUENT BREAKING AS IT AGES.
THE NEWER INFRASTRUCTURE WE DON'T HAVE NEAR THE AMOUNT OF PROBLEMS. THEN ON OUR WASTEWATER COLLECTION SYSTEM HARDENING AGAIN, WE'RE CONTINUING INSPECTIONS, LIGHTNING REPAIRS AND REPLACEMENTS AS WE CAN.
THAT INCLUDES CASH CURED IN PLACE PIPE FOR THE GRAVITY SEWER, $100,000. I WILL GET US A COUPLE OF THOUSAND FEET LINED.
SO IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE JUST TO TAKE CARE OF THAT.
AND THEN ALSO, ONE LESS STATION I BROUGHT UP WITH COUNCIL IN THE PAST IS LIVE STATION FIVE.
IT IS IN THE SOUTH WEST CORNER OF PALM BAY ESTATES OFF OF US ONE.
THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO POOL A LOT OF SEWAGE THAT GOES TOWARDS THE TURKEY CREEK AND RE DIVERTED TO THIS LIFT STATION. WE HAVE A LIFT STATION THAT IS LOCATED ON TURKEY CREEK.
IT'S LIFT STATION 47 THAT A COUPLE OF TIMES IN THE PAST 20 YEARS THERE HAVE BEEN FAILURES.
SO UPGRADING LIVE STATION FIVE, REPLACING THE WET WELL WITH MORE CAPACITY, WE'RE LOOKING TO PULL A COUPLE OF HUNDRED THOUSAND GALLONS PER DAY AWAY FROM THE TURKEY CREEK.
SO THE BLUE ARE PRETTY MUCH OUR UTILITY LINES COVERAGE.
WE'RE ALMOST AT 50% COVERAGE CITYWIDE.
AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE THERE IS NO COVERAGE.
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BUT THEN YOU HAVE THE AREAS LIKE THE COMPOUND IN THE SOUTHWEST AND THEN IN THE SOUTH BEFORE YOU GET TO WATERSTONE THAT THERE ARE IT'S KIND OF NO MAN'S LAND.IT'S ALL WATER WELLS, PARCELS.
NOW, 61% OF THE PARCELS IN THE CITY ARE CONNECTED.
AGAIN, THAT DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR YOU MIGHT HAVE ONE PARCEL THAT'S PART OF A PIECE.
IT SHOWS UP AS ONE PARCEL, BUT IT'S A MASSIVE PIECE OF LAND.
SO THAT NUMBER IS A LITTLE DECEPTIVE.
I TALK ABOUT THIS A LOT WHEN IT COMES TO SOMETHING LIKE MANDATORY CONNECTION.
RIGHT NOW, THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT HAS 2441 PARCELS THAT TOMORROW THEY COULD CONNECT TO THE WATER SYSTEM AND ABANDONED THEIR WILL.
BUT I HAVE NO ABILITY TO FORCE THE CONNECTION.
SOME OF THESE ARE ASSESSMENT AREAS.
SOME OF IT WAS JUST BONDS OR CASH FROM THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT WHERE IT WAS INSTALLED.
BUT WE STILL HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT.
BUT NO. AND WHEN PEOPLE CONNECT AND PAY THEIR MONTHLY BILL, THAT'S THE MONEY WE USE TO MAINTAIN IT.
BUT THERE ARE OVER 2400 THAT ARE NOT CONNECTED THAT COULD CONNECT TODAY IF THEY WANTED TO.
AND THEN THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE CITY, AGAIN, THIS IS ALMOST OVER A MONTH OLD.
YOU SAID THERE WERE 2400 THAT CURRENTLY ARE NOT CONNECTED.
THAT COULD BE CONNECTED, CORRECT? UH. AND THEN IF THEY WERE CONNECTED, THOSE WOULD BE UTILITY BILLS THAT WOULD BE BEING PAID, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU'RE CURRENTLY STILL HAVING TO MAINTAIN IT, EVEN THOUGH DO YOU HAVE LIKE AN AVERAGE? I'M JUST CURIOUS FOR THE MATH.
LIKE WHAT'S THE AVERAGE OF WHAT THE UTILITY BILL WOULD BE? MONTHLY SAY? I WOULD SAY SO.
MY WATER AND SEWER BILL IS A LITTLE OVER $50, I THINK, AND THAT'S BASE CHARGES.
PLUS I THINK MY USAGE IS ABOUT 1800 GALLONS A MONTH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO 50 TO $60 OF WATER IS 20 ISH AND THEN THE SEWER IS 30 ISH.
THAT THAT THAT COULD COULD BE THAT SHOULD BE.
COULD BE. BUT WE'RE FUNDING THAT BILL BECAUSE WE START TO MAINTAIN IT.
IT IS CONNECTED TO THE SYSTEM OR THAT YOU CAN SUPPLY.
THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS, AND I BELIEVE IT'S IN THE CENTER PART OF THE CITY WHERE SOME ASSESSMENTS, SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS OCCURRED, WHERE THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE CENTER THAT HAVE THE AVAILABILITY BUT JUST AREN'T CONNECTED.
AND I KNOW PRIOR TO COVID, THERE WAS CONVERSATIONS OF MAKING PEOPLE CONNECT.
IS THAT STILL ON THE TABLE OR.
I WOULD NOT LIKE TO BRING IT BACK.
I THINK EVENTUALLY IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO HAPPEN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
IT'S SO EXPENSIVE FOR INDIVIDUALS TO CONNECT.
YES, THAT'S THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
THERE IS A PATH IF RESIDENTS WANT TO CONNECT THE CITY WATER SEWER TO GO TO THEIR NEIGHBORS, TAKE A POLL AND THEY CAN VOLUNTARILY GET AN ASSESSMENT TO THE CITY.
WATER AND SEWER. YES, IT RARELY HAPPENS.
NOW, THAT WAS A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT BECAUSE I'M I DESIGNED UNIT 31 AND I WORKED ON THE ASSESSMENT.
16 AND 31 WERE HIGH ON THE LIST.
THE MOTHER'S DAY FIRE INCIDENT IN 2008 HELPED PUSH IT OVER WHEN THERE WAS NO HYDRANTS IN UNIT 31 OR
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32 AND THEY COULD HAVE USED THEM.THERE IS A HISTORY OF THAT HAPPENING FOR THE SPECIAL ASSESSMENT.
BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE CAN'T EVEN DO BASIC ASSESSMENTS.
CORRECT. SUHR SO WAS THE FUN ONE. SO.
AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS MAP, SEWER IS MUCH LESS THE AVAILABILITY IS MUCH LESS THAN FOR WATER.
BASED ON COVERAGE, 23 SQUARE MILES OR 26% OF THE CITY HAS ACCESS TO SEWER.
THAT'S ABOUT 27% OF THE PARCELS IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.
AND BECAUSE THE CITY CONTINUES TO GROW AND GROW.
WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS NUMBER A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO FOR A PRESENTATION, IT WAS AT 28,000 SEPTIC TANKS THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF PALM BAY AND IT'S ALREADY AT 32,000 AND GROWING BECAUSE THE INFILL FOR THE CITY, YES, THE SCATTERED LOTS JUST ARE DEVELOPING, DEVELOPING. SO SEWER IS AN ISSUE.
BEN. FOR THOSE RESIDENTS THAT USE SEPTIC.
YES. BUT IN THIS CITY, WHAT'S THE PROXIMITY OF MANY HOMES? I KNOW THERE'S ABOUT 100 AND SOMETHING RESIDENTS.
WHAT'S WHAT'S WHAT'S HOW MANY ROOMS ARE WITHIN THE.
HOLMES SO THAT'S WHAT THE PARCELS AND AGAIN, THIS WILL ACCOUNT.
IT'LL COUNT COMMERCIAL ACCOUNTS BUT 21,959 OF THOSE LOTS ACCOUNTS ARE CONNECTED TO THE CITY SEWER SYSTEM. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE IF THAT'S CORRECT.
SAY IS THE APPROXIMATE MONTHLY.
I'M COST OF SEWER BECAUSE I KNOW HE SAID 50 TO 60 FOR WATER IN THE THIRTIES.
THE BASE CHARGE IS AROUND $30 AND THEN YOU ADD THE USAGE ON TOP OF IT.
SO FOR A NORMAL FAMILY OF FOUR IS PROBABLY AROUND 40.
SO THAT 50 OR 60 NUMBER THAT YOU GAVE, DID THAT INCLUDE SEWER OR THAT WAS ONLY WATER? WHICH NUMBER YOU GAVE THE 50 OR 60 JUST BASED OFF OF LIKE FOR LIKE YOUR PERSONAL USE WATER PLUS SEWER? SO THAT'S BOTH. AND I'M JUST I HAVE TO, IN MY HEAD, SUBTRACT SOLID WASTE AND THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE ON THE MONTHLY BILL.
AND THAT'S. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
YEAH. YOU HAVE YOUR WORK CUT OUT FOR YOU.
OH, YES. ONCE THEIR SALARIES GO UP, WE CAN GET SOME PEOPLE.
OUR SUGGESTION WILL BE MORE MONEY, MORE PEOPLE.
AND YOUR OPERATIONS GUYS THEY WORK FOR NOWADAYS.
NOW IT'S FIVE DAYS A WEEK, TYPICALLY 7 TO 330.
OTHER THAN THAT'S THE DISTRIBUTION COLLECTION SYSTEM.
THE PLANTS OBVIOUSLY STAFFED 24 HOURS A DAY, BUT 7 TO 330 IS THE STANDARD SHIFT.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE AT THE JOB FAIR.
WE HAVE A BOOTH, ALL RIGHT? LIKE, HEY, WE NEED YOU.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE ISSUE IS FOR MY GROUP, PARTICULARLY IN OPERATIONS, THE PAY IS JUST TOO LOW.
EVEN DAY LABORERS, THEY'RE HAVING A HARD TIME, SO THEY'RE PAYING MORE THAN WE ARE.
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SO IT'S JUST EXTREMELY DIFFICULT.SO THE REQUIREMENTS ARE IN LINE, BUT THE SALARY IS NOT EVEN CLOSE NOW.
YES. WHO WE COMPARE TO LIKE MELBOURNE OTHER YEAR.
SO MELBOURNE HAS GONE THROUGH AND MADE ADJUSTMENTS.
COCO HAS GONE THROUGH MADE ADJUSTMENTS, THE COUNTY HAS GONE THROUGH MADE ADJUSTMENTS.
I THINK THE COUNTY GAVE AN ACROSS THE BOARD RAISE TO EVERYONE.
SO WE'RE FOR OPERATIONS IN THE LOWER LOWER TIER COMPARED TO THE REST OF THEM FOR NOW.
AND WITH THAT ON THAT IS, HAVE THEY GIVEN US A.
BECAUSE BECAUSE THAT CONVERSATION OF SALARY STUDY.
YEAH, BUT I MEAN, A CONSULTANT.
I MEAN, A CONSULTING COMPANY CAN PUSH ONE OUT IN SIX MONTHS TO USE THE SAME CONSULTANT.
AND I THINK. STARTING TO EASE THE REASONS THEY TAKE A LONG TIME, ESPECIALLY I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE LAST TIME YOU GUYS DID ONE, BUT IT WAS 20 TO 30 YEARS BEFORE MELBOURNE HAD DONE ONE AND SO EVERYTHING WAS SO YEAH, BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO DO THE SURVEYS AND IT'S ALMOST LIKE STARTING FROM SCRATCH.
BUT WHEN YOU HAVE THE CITY OF COCOA, I THINK THEY'RE STARTING AT $15 AN HOUR.
IT'S HARD FOR ANY OTHER CITY TO EAT WITH THEM AND MCDONALDS AT $20 AN HOUR THEY REASSESS OFTEN.
YES, AND I KNOW WITH MELBOURNE WE COMPLETED OUR STUDY YEARS AGO.
PART OF THAT STUDY IS EVERY TWO YEARS THEY GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT IT AGAIN NOW AND THERE PROBABLY WILL BE INCREASES TO THOSE WORK GROUPS AGAIN, BECAUSE JUST IN THAT TWO YEARS TIME THE MARKET HAS COMPLETELY CHANGED WHEN YOU'RE COMPETING WITH. PRIVATE SECTOR BECAUSE THAT'S ME.
I WENT FROM PUBLIC AND PRIVATE BECAUSE.
AND PLACES LIKE TAMPA THAT ARE TRYING TO POACH YOUR WORKERS.
NOT THAT ANYBODY CAN AFFORD TO MOVE.
DO YOU REALISTICALLY THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT TYPE OF 15, 20, 20,000 JUMP? BECAUSE I MEAN, RIGHT NOW, LOOKING FROM THE 30 TO 44 IS LIKE A LOT OF GOOD, 15,000 FOR THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT.
I CAN BECAUSE I DON'T RELY ON TAXES.
I'M NOT IN THE BATTLE ROYALE WITH THE GENERAL FUND FOR MONEY.
WE'RE SELF SUFFICIENT FUNDED BY THE RATEPAYERS SO WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO AFFORD MIX THEM.
YOU SHOULD HAVE SOME SALARY SAVINGS IF YOU'VE BEEN DOWN.
MM HMM. HE IS WAITING ON THE GO AHEAD TO JUST THINK IT'S THOSE STUDIES ARE HARD AND SO MANY CITIES DID THEM ALL AT THE SAME TIME BECAUSE WEST MELBOURNE DID ONE RIGHT AT THE SAME TIME.
IT'S LIKE EVERYBODY WAS OUT OF WHACK.
I KNOW WE HAD A BIG PROBLEM WITH.
I'M PRIVATE SECTOR, SO I GUESS PUBLIC SECTOR.
THERE YOU GO. SO I GUESS IT'S ONE OF MY.
OH, YOU'RE PRIVATE. THANK YOU.
I'M PRIVATE SECTOR. YOU HAVE PRIVATE.
YOU CAN TURN AROUND TOMORROW. YOU GET ALL TYPE OF BONUSES I LOVE.
YEAH. WELL I CAME FROM AN ORGANIZATION THAT WAS BIG AND WE DID IT.
YOU CAN'T JUST. IF YOU HAVE TO LIFT THE ENTIRE FLOOR UP WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT, IT'S IT IS.
IT'S JUST CRAZY TO ME, THOUGH, BECAUSE.
SO ARE YOUR HUMAN INFRASTRUCTURE.
YEAH. THE MOST IMPORTANT SOURCE THAT ANY ORGANIZATION HAS IS GOING TO BE ITS PEOPLE.
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PUBLIC, PUBLIC, PUBLIC.AND IT'S A BIT CONFUSING FOR THEM BECAUSE THEY HAD TO PULL TOOTH AND NAIL TO GET A 2% EVERY FOUR FEET FOUR YEARS, YOU KNOW? SO I THINK THAT'S AND THEN WITH THE PANDEMIC AND REMOTE WORK COMING ALONG LIKE IT'S IT'S A BATTLE.
I DID WANT TO DISCUSS ONE MORE THING WHILE CHRIS WAS HERE, KIND OF OFF THE AGENDA.
BUT YOU LOST YOUR UTILITIES ADVISORY BOARD BACK A FEW MONTHS AGO, CORRECT? YES, I DID.
JUST NEVER GETTING QUORUM FOR YOUR MEETINGS OR SO.
THE MEETING KIND OF JUST WAS A.
MONTHLY UPDATE ON PROJECTS, AND THAT WAS IT.
IT WAS NEVER IN THE FOUR AND A HALF YEARS I ATTENDED IT.
TWO RESIDENTS SHOWED UP FOR THE MEETING.
THERE WAS NO NEW BUSINESS OR ITEMS THAT THE BOARD WANTED TO DISCUSS.
I WOULD TALK ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS.
I DON'T WANT TO SAY THE BOARD MEMBERS WEREN'T INTERESTED IN SERVING.
IT'S JUST THERE WASN'T A LOT OF FEEDBACK, INTERACTION, DIRECTION, ETC.
AND THIS IS AN OUTSTANDING BOARD.
IT REALLY IS. YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF ADVOCATES UP HERE TRYING TO DO THINGS RIGHT.
YEAH, I'D LIKE TO CONSIDER ASKING A CITY COUNCIL TO BRING.
FORMER UTILITIES AND INCORPORATING IT WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
LIKE YOU SAID, MAYBE ONCE A QUARTER YOU COME GIVE US AN UPDATE ON EXISTING PROJECTS.
I'M CHAIR. WELL, I THINK ALSO JUST BECAUSE MY HUSBAND WAS ON THAT BOARD, HE ONLY HAD.
IN PRIOR YEARS, WHAT WAS ACTUALLY ITEMS. THAT WORK HAS NOW BEEN HANDLED BY A CONSULTANT.
CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THEY DIDN'T NECESSARILY.
THEY WEREN'T THEY WEREN'T SERVING IN THAT ADVISORY CAPACITY.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANYTHING.
USUALLY THE ONLY NEW BUSINESS I WOULD HAVE FOR THEM IS WHEN WE WOULD DO A RATE STUDY.
THEY WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
AND THEN WE WENT FROM MONTHLY MEETINGS TO QUARTERLY AND EVEN THE QUARTERLY.
IT WAS JUST HERE'S WHAT HERE'S WHERE OUR PROJECTS ARE AND.
CITIZEN. I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
I THINK WHEN YOU'RE OUT THERE, FIRST OF ALL, NOBODY SEES YOU AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
SO YOU DON'T GET CREDIT FOR WHAT YOU DID.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHRIS.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? NO, NOTHING. TONIGHT.
HOW DO YOU FOLLOW THAT UP? RIGHT. GOT NOTHING.
THANK YOU, CHRIS. THANKS, CHRIS.
THANKS, CHRIS. DID WE HAVE ANY INFRASTRUCTURE PROBLEMS WITH THE HURRICANE? JUST THE ANYTHING.
I WAS JUST AN UPDATE. NO, WE DIDN'T.
WE ACTUALLY HAD OUR INSPECTORS AND MYSELF GO OUT PRE AND THEN AFTERWARDS WE HAD MINIMAL DRAINAGE PROBLEMS. WE HAD MINIMAL TREES AND DEBRIS DOWN.
WE HAD NO STRUCTURAL PROBLEMS AT ALL.
WHATEVER FLOODING WE HAD WAS WITHIN THE 72 HOURS OR LESS WAS TAKEN CARE OF AND YOU KNOCK DOWN TREES.
OUR PUBLIC WORKS CREWS ARE OUT THERE THAT DAY AFTER THE STORM AND OPEN UP ALL THE ROADS.
SO EVERYTHING WAS FUNCTIONAL WITHIN THAT DAY.
WE'RE VERY, VERY LUCKY. VERY BLESSED, THOUGH.
EXACTLY. I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.
SECOND, SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AND ALL THOSE OPPOSED.
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SO THIS WILL BE MY.LAST MEETING IS CHAIR I'LL COME IN AND CONVENE THE NEXT MEETING AND THEN GAVEL THE NEW VICE CHAIR.
I'LL CALL. THE MEETING ADJOURNED AT 8:15 P.M..
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.