Nov 03, 2022 Council Meetings - Regular

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OK. SO WELCOME. WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS WORKSHOP.

[CALL TO ORDER ]

BEFORE WE DO, WE'RE GOING TO HONOR OUR UNITED STATES FLAG.

SO AS COUNCILMAN FOSTER STANDING COUNCILMAN FORCED TO LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE.

AND. PLEASE BE THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND.

OH. SO, MADAM TERESA.

ROLL CALL. MEDINA PRESIDENT.

MARY JOHNSON. HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE.

SO, MADAM SMITH, ITEM NUMBER, OR I SHOULD SAY MADAM SHERMAN.

ITEM NUMBER ONE ON UNDER BUSINESS.

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SO WE ARE HERE TONIGHT.

COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO HAD ASKED US TO BRING SOME INFORMATION FORWARD TO DISCUSS LOCAL PREFERENCE WITH COUNCIL AND THOSE OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE LISTENING.

SO WE'RE GOING TO I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO HAVE JULIETTE MOSCONI DO THE PRESENTATION.

WE'RE GOING TO TAKE YOU ON A LITTLE JOURNEY THROUGH THE PAST THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE BEFORE, AS WELL AS INFORMATION ON WHAT OTHER CITIES AND AREAS DO WHEN IT COMES TO LOCAL PREFERENCE AND PROCUREMENT.

AND THEN WE'LL TALK THROUGH OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEN BE HAPPY TO DISCUSS WHATEVER COUNCIL'S DIRECTION IS WITH YOU ALL.

SO. JULIETTE, I'LL TURN THE FLOOR OVER TO YOU.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

I'M JULIETTE MOSCONI. I'M YOUR CHIEF PROCUREMENT OFFICER.

AND TONIGHT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT LOCAL PREFERENCE.

HERE'S A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF OUR AGENDA.

AND SINCE I HAVE YOUR ATTENTION AND SINCE THIS IS A PUBLIC MEETING, I'M ALSO GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT PROCUREMENT IS AND HOW WE IMPACT THE CITY.

WE'LL TALK ABOUT OUR PREVIOUS LOCAL PREFERENCE POLICY, LOCAL PREFERENCE IN GENERAL, INCLUDING THE CHALLENGES, AND THEN WE'LL CLOSE OUT WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO OUR MISSION STATEMENT IS THERE ON THE SCREEN.

I'M NOT GOING TO READ IT TO YOU, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT PROCUREMENT OVERSEES EVERYTHING THAT THE CITY BUYS.

BUT WE'RE MORE THAN JUST BUYERS.

WE MAKE SURE THAT OUR DEPARTMENTS HAVE THE GOODS AND SERVICES THEY NEED SO THEY CAN DELIVER THE SERVICES TO OUR RESIDENTS.

AND WE MAKE SURE WE DO THAT FAIRLY TRANSPARENTLY AND MAXIMIZING TAXPAYER DOLLARS.

OUR VISION STATEMENT IS TO SERVE AND CONNECT ALL CUSTOMERS.

AND WE HAVE THREE CUSTOMER BASES.

WE SERVE OUR CITIZENS BY PROTECTING THEIR VESTED INTERESTS AND MAXIMIZING THEIR DOLLARS.

AND WE SERVE OUR DEPARTMENTS BY HELPING THEM DELIVER THEIR PUBLIC SERVICES.

AND WE SERVE OUR VENDORS BY FORMULATING PARTNERSHIPS FOR PUBLIC SERVICE DELIVERY.

WE CAN'T DO OUR JOBS WITHOUT OUR VENDOR COMMUNITY.

WE DO ALL THIS WITH THE MINDSET OF VALUE ADDED GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND FOR ALL OF OUR CUSTOMER BASES.

WE'RE OFTEN THE FIRST FACE THAT YOUR BUSINESSES SEE.

NONE OF THAT MEANS ANYTHING WITHOUT OUR VALUES.

THESE ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF WHAT OUR DEPARTMENT DOES.

THEIR ETHICS, ACCOUNTABILITY, SERVICE, IMPARTIALITY, PROFESSIONALISM AND TRANSPARENCY.

WE ARE EDUCATED AND CERTIFIED IN OUR FIELD.

I'M VERY PROUD TO SAY THAT OF MY FOUR PROFESSIONAL STAFF, WE HOLD SIX CERTIFICATIONS BETWEEN THE FOUR OF US.

AND LASTLY, GOOD PROCUREMENT PROFESSIONALS ARE ETHICAL BEACONS.

PROCUREMENT IS A HIGH FRAUD RISK, SO YOU WANT THE STRONGEST ETHICAL INDIVIDUALS IN THOSE ROLES WHO TAKE THOSE VALUES SERIOUSLY.

I WON'T READ OUR RANGE OF FUNCTIONS TO YOU, BUT I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT A FEW RELATED TO LOCAL PREFERENCE.

OBVIOUSLY, VENDOR OUTREACH AND TRAINING IS A HUGE PART OF WHAT WE DO, SO MUCH.

SO I ACTUALLY RECAST ONE OF THE POSITIONS IN MY OFFICE THIS YEAR.

WE NOW HAVE A SUPPORT SERVICES COORDINATOR AND ONE OF HER PRIMARY FUNCTIONS IS TO HELP ME WITH VENDOR OUTREACH.

WE ALSO DO STAFF TRAINING.

THE IDEA BEHIND THAT IS DELEGATING DOWN OUR PROCUREMENT AUTHORITY TO STAFF LEVEL SO THEY CAN ENGAGE DIRECTLY WITH LOCAL BUSINESSES AS WELL.

AND THIS DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH LOCAL PREFERENCE.

BUT I LOVE TALKING ABOUT SURPLUS LAST YEAR.

I JUST WANT TO MENTION WE HIT A NEW RECORD, $515,000 WORTH OF REVENUE GENERATED FROM SURPLUS SALES, WHICH IS MORE THAN TWO THIRDS OF MY BUDGET.

SO ONE OF OUR PRIMARY FOCUSES, AS I MENTIONED, IS ENCOURAGING LOCAL AND SMALL BUSINESSES, AND WE DO THAT SEVERAL WAYS.

WE HAVE EFFICIENCIES LIKE ACCEPTING QUOTES UNDER 100,000 VIA EMAIL.

WE OFFER VIRTUAL OPTIONS FOR ALL OF OUR MEETINGS.

WE HOST OVER 50 PUBLIC MEETINGS A YEAR, SO THAT'S A LOT OF VIRTUAL OPTIONS.

WE'VE ALSO POSTED ALL OF OUR CONTRACTS ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE, WHICH IS A PROCUREMENT BEST PRACTICE.

WE'VE IMPROVED OUR DOCUMENTS AND PROCESSES, ORDINANCES AND CODES.

WE'VE MADE OUR DOCUMENTS ADA COMPLIANT WITH ITS ASSISTANCE, AND WE'VE DONE WHAT I CALL SIMPLIFYING THE SUBMITTAL.

WE'VE GOTTEN RID OF ARCHAIC FORMS THAT WERE ALWAYS THERE AND GOTTEN AWAY FROM NOTARIZED SIGNATURES, UNLESS THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY, MAKES IT EASIER TO SUBMIT.

OF COURSE, WE'VE REVAMPED OUR WEBSITE.

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WE'VE HAD OVER 500 PARTICIPANTS, SO WE'VE HAD A LOT OF ENGAGEMENT THERE.

WE GO OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY AND DO GUEST SPEAKING.

WE PARTICIPATE IN WHAT'S CALLED A REVERSE TRADE SHOW WHERE THE AGENCIES ARE THE ONES AT THE TABLES AND THE VENDORS ARE GOING AROUND.

AND LASTLY, WE POST EVERYTHING THAT WE DO FORMALLY, SO OVER 25,000 ON VENDOR LINK.

SO VENDOR LINK, AS YOU KNOW, IS OUR SOFTWARE PARTNER THAT WE USE TO BROADCAST OUR SOLICITATIONS OUT TO THE PUBLIC.

IT IS COMPLETELY FREE FOR THEM TO USE AND IT ALSO CONNECTS YOU WITH A LOT OF OTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCIES.

YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT LIST OF OTHER AGENCIES IN BREVARD HAS REALLY GROWN.

BASICALLY, IF YOU WANT TO DO BUSINESS IN BREVARD COUNTY WITH GOVERNMENT, YOU SHOULD REALLY BE ON VENDOR LINK.

AND I ACTUALLY HAVE ONE OF OUR FIVE PART VIDEO SERIES IS A STEP BY STEP GUIDE ON HOW TO REGISTER.

I'M A VERY GOAL ORIENTED PERSON, SO I WANTED TO SHOW YOU SOME OF OUR PERFORMANCE METRICS FROM 2022 AND WHAT OUR GOALS ARE FOR 2023.

WE HOSTED FOR AND HOSTED OR PARTICIPATED IN FOUR VENDOR ENGAGEMENT SESSIONS AND WE TAUGHT 23 INTERNAL TRAINING SESSIONS.

WE JUST YESTERDAY SECURED THE DATE FOR OUR IN-PERSON VENDOR EVENT.

IT'S GOING TO BE JANUARY 19TH AT THE TONI ROSA COMMUNITY CENTER.

SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT AND OUR TEAM IS ALREADY WORKING ON ROLLING OUT E-PROCUREMENT, WHICH IS WHERE THE SUBMITTALS GET SUBMITTED COMPLETELY ELECTRONICALLY, WHERE THEY'RE SEALED IN A DIGITAL DROPBOX.

IT MAKES IT VENDORS EASIER FOR VENDORS TO SUBMIT.

THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT A TRAFFIC ACCIDENT AND GETTING HERE ON TIME.

SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

THAT'S ALREADY BUILT INTO VENDOR LINK AND THERE'S NO COST TO THE CITY TO ROLL THAT OUT.

SO BEFORE I KIND OF LAUNCH INTO THE DATA, I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE AGAIN, FOR THE MEMBERS OF OUR PUBLIC THAT MAY BE WATCHING THAT WE ARE OPEN FOR ANY BUSINESS THAT'S INTERESTED IN DOING BUSINESS WITH THE CITY.

WE ARE AVAILABLE VIA PHONE, EMAIL THE CONTACT US BUTTON ON OUR WEBSITE, AND IF THERE'S ANY BUSINESS ORGANIZATION THAT WOULD LIKE A GUEST SPEAKER ON HOW TO DO BUSINESS WITH THE CITY, I'M ALWAYS OPEN TO THOSE OPPORTUNITIES, SO PLEASE REACH OUT TO ME.

AS I SAID, THESE VENDORS ARE OUR PARTNERS, SO WE REALLY TRY TO FORGE RELATIONSHIPS WITH THEM.

SO I'VE LEARNED FROM THE BEST.

ANGELICA COLLINS ON DATA.

DATA. DATA DATA ARE BUDGET GURU, SO I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU A LOT OF DATA THIS EVENING.

THIS IS THE RESEARCH THAT WE DID.

WE PALM BAY IS RANKED NUMBER 16 OUT OF 412 CITIES BY POPULATION, ACCORDING TO THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES.

SO I LOOKED AT SIX CITIES THAT ARE SMALLER, SIX CITIES THAT ARE LARGER.

I LOOKED AT ALL THE CITIES IN BREVARD COUNTY.

I LOOKED AT THE CITY OF SEBASTIAN AND I ALSO LOOKED AT BREVARD COUNTY AND THEIR SCHOOL BOARD, AND I REVIEWED ALL OF THEIR POLICIES.

SO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW, EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THAT KIND OF LIGHT ORANGE HAS LOCAL PREFERENCE, AND EVERYTHING THAT'S GREEN DOESN'T HAVE LOCAL PREFERENCE.

LOOKING AT THAT A DIFFERENT WAY, THIS IS OUTSIDE OF BREVARD COUNTY.

60% OF AGENCIES, CITIES, I SHOULD SAY, HAVE LOCAL PREFERENCE AND 40% DO NOT.

AND THAT'S OUTSIDE OF BREVARD COUNTY.

IN BROWARD COUNTY, THE PICTURE SHIFTS A LITTLE BIT.

THE MAJORITY OF AGENCIES WITHIN BROWARD COUNTY CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE A LOCAL PREFERENCE.

THE AGENCIES THAT DO HAVE A LOCAL PREFERENCE, WITH THE EXCEPTION, I WOULD SAY, OF ONE, HAVE A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT COMMERCIAL BASE.

SO THAT'S PART OF THE DIFFERENCE THAT I THINK THAT YOU SEE THERE.

SO THIS IS THE PREVIOUS VERSION OF OUR LOCAL PREFERENCE POLICY.

IT WAS RESCINDED IN NOVEMBER OF 2020.

IT WAS A MATHEMATICAL CALCULATION AND IT WAS BASED ON BIDS BETWEEN 100,000 AND CAPPED AT $1,000,000.

THERE WAS REALLY THREE CLASSES OF BUSINESSES BECAUSE CLASS D WAS NO PREFERENCE.

AND THEN THERE WAS TWO TIERS OF THOSE PREFERENCE.

THERE WAS A 500 TO I'M SORRY, 100,000, 500,000 TIER AND THEN A $500000 TO $1 MILLION TIER.

AND THEN SEPARATELY THERE WAS AN RFP PREFERENCE WHICH ADDED A PERCENTAGE OF POINTS FOR RFP EVALUATION REQUESTS FOR PROPOSALS, WHICH IS AN EVALUATION TECHNIQUE WHERE COST IS NOT THE ONLY CONSIDERATION.

THAT WAS ONLY IN THE MANUAL.

IT WASN'T CODIFIED IN THE ORDINANCE.

SO WHEN I FIRST CAME INTO THIS ROLE IN 2019, WE WERE STARTING TO GET THE J&K AUDIT FINDINGS.

AND THIS WAS A QUESTION WHY IS YOUR RFP PREFERENCE IN YOUR MANUAL AND NOT IN YOUR CODE? SO IN SEPTEMBER OF 2020, I DID A WORKSHOP VERY SIMILAR TO THIS TO ADDRESS ALL THE JACK FINDINGS AND LOCAL PREFERENCES.

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THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S HIGHLY GOVERNED BY FLORIDA STATUTE.

IT'S FOR SELECTING ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERING, AND YOU CAN'T CONSIDER COST AT ALL.

PREVIOUSLY, WE HAD NO PREFERENCE FOR THAT.

SO THAT WAS MY RECOMMENDATION.

IT WAS NOT FAVORABLE WITH CITY COUNCIL AT THE TIME.

AND IN NOVEMBER 2020, COUNCIL VOTED TO RESCIND THE LOCAL PREFERENCE ORDINANCE.

SO KIND OF GOING BACK IN TIME.

THIS IS A LITTLE BIT HOW OUR PREVIOUS ORDINANCE WORKED.

THE FIRST EXAMPLE, THE LOW BID IS AN OUT OF COUNTY VENDOR IN YELLOW AT 475,000.

BUT APPLYING THE PREFERENCE, THE CLASS B VENDOR, WHICH COULD HAVE BEEN ANY CITY THAT HAD 50% OF ITS EMPLOYEES AS PALM BAY RESIDENTS OR A PALM BAY BUSINESS WOULD GET A PREFERENCE.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD USE WHEN COMPARING THE BIDS.

BUT ULTIMATELY WE WOULD STILL PAY THE 488,000.

IN THE NEXT EXAMPLE.

SO THAT'S THE NEXT TIER.

THE LOW BID IN YELLOW WAS 907 967,000.

AND THEN THE CLASS A VENDOR THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A BUSINESS THAT WAS LOCATED IN PALM BAY AND 50% OF THEIR EMPLOYEES WERE RESIDENTS OF PALM BAY, THEY WOULD GET A PREFERENCE. SO WE WOULD ULTIMATELY PAY 995,000 BUT AWARD TO THEM.

SO THESE ARE EXAMPLES ONLY.

NOW THIS ONE IS AN ACTUAL RFP WHERE LOCAL PREFERENCE MADE A CHANGE.

AND I'M GOING TO USE THIS TOOL IN THIS EXAMPLE, THE VENDOR THAT WAS HAD THE MOST POINTS FOR QUALIFICATIONS AND TECHNICAL EXPERIENCE AND ALSO HAD THE MOST POINTS FOR COST, MEANING THEY WERE THE LOWEST COST WAS JPMORGAN AND THEY HAD 89 POINTS.

BUT RAYMOND JAMES HAD AN OFFICE IN MELBOURNE AND COULD FINISH FURNISH A MELBOURNE BUSINESS TAX RECEIPT.

SO THEY GOT LOCAL PREFERENCE AND THAT ACTUALLY MADE THEM THE HIGHER RANKED VENDOR.

THIS IS FOR UNDERWRITING SERVICES, WHICH IRONICALLY WILL BE COMING BACK TO YOU IN THE NEXT MONTH.

WE JUST GOT NINE SUBMITTALS IN.

SO IN THIS CASE, THE HIGHEST RANKED VENDOR WAS GOING TO GET THE FIRST SHOT AT BOND ISSUANCE.

AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE FIRST ROUND OF THE GO ROAD BOND FUNDING.

SO RAYMOND JAMES, EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE LOCAL CORP., HAD A MELBOURNE OFFICE, SO THEY RECEIVED A LOCAL PREFERENCE.

AND THEN WE, AS I MENTIONED, DID NOT HAVE A PREFERENCE FOR RFK'S REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS FOR ARCHITECTURAL ENGINEERING.

BUT THIS IS THE SLIDE THAT I HAD IN THE 2020 PRESENTATION AND WHAT I WOULD HAVE PROPOSED, WHICH IS HAVING A PREFERENCE FOR PALM BAY BUSINESS AND BREVARD BUSINESSES. ONE IMPORTANT THING TO NOTE ABOUT RFK'S IS, ACCORDING TO FLORIDA STATUTE TO 87.055, YOU MUST HAVE A TWO STEP PROCESS WHERE YOU BRING IN YOUR SHORTLISTED FIRMS FOR INTERVIEWS, ALMOST LIKE JOB INTERVIEWS.

SO MY PROPOSAL THEN WAS ONLY TO APPLY THE PREFERENCE AT THAT INITIAL PHASE RATHER THAN APPLYING IT TWICE, WHICH IS GENERALLY WHAT YOU SEE FROM OTHER AGENCIES.

SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE CHALLENGES WITH LOCAL PREFERENCE TO BE TRANSPARENT.

IT CANNOT BE USED WITH ANY FEDERAL FUNDING THAT'S AGAINST THE CODE OF FEDERAL REGULATIONS.

IT CANNOT BE USED FOR ANY STATE FUNDING OF 1 MILLION IF THE PROJECT IS $1 MILLION OR MORE.

BUT EVEN $1 OF STATE FUNDING, IT CANNOT BE USED.

THAT'S ACTUALLY MORE STRINGENT THAN IT USED TO BE.

IT WAS CHANGED WITH HOUSE BILL 53 AND 2021.

USED TO BE IF 50% OF YOUR PROJECT OR MORE WAS STATE FUNDED, THEN YOU COULDN'T USE LOCAL PREFERENCE.

NOW THEY'VE CHANGED IT TO $1 OF STATE FUNDING AND THE PROJECTS $1 MILLION OR MORE.

YOU CAN'T USE LOCAL PREFERENCE.

AND IGP IS THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF GOVERNMENT PROCUREMENT.

THAT'S OUR HIGHEST LEVEL PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATION.

THEY HAVE A POSITION PAPER THAT LOCAL PREFERENCE SHOULD ONLY BE USED FOR BEST VALUE PROCUREMENTS.

BREVARD COUNTY DID HAVE A LOCAL PREFERENCE AND THEY UNANIMOUSLY RESCINDED THEIRS IN 2018.

THERE WAS A LAWSUIT IN THE CITY OF TUCSON.

THEY WERE SUED AND THEY LOST OVER THEIR LOCAL PREFERENCE IN 2014.

NOW, FULL DISCLOSURE, THERE IS OTHER LITIGATION RELATED TO LOCAL PREFERENCE WHERE THE LOCAL PREFERENCE POLICY HAS PREVAILED.

THIS IS THE MOST PROMINENT ONE IN MY INDUSTRY CIRCLE, PARTIALLY BECAUSE THE CITY OF TUCSON IS ONE OF THE LARGEST CITIES IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY.

SO IT WAS A VERY TALKED ABOUT CASE.

OF COURSE, THERE'S THE POTENTIAL FOR INCREASED COSTS IF YOU DON'T DO A MATCH OPTION, WHICH WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT LATER.

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IT MAY BE PERCEIVED AS CONTRARY TO THE VALUES OF COMPETITION AND TRANSPARENCY.

AND THEN THERE'S THE APPLICATION CHALLENGE.

IF WE GO DOWN THE LOCAL PREFERENCE RABBIT HOLE, I WILL STRONGLY ADVOCATE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE A PREFERENCE FOR PALM BAY RESIDENTS AS EMPLOYEES.

THAT IS INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT TO VERIFY.

WHAT WE WERE DOING WAS ASKING FOR A LIST OF THEIR EMPLOYEES AND DRIVER'S LICENSES.

THERE WAS NO WAY TO VERIFY THAT THEY WERE ACTUALLY ON THE PAYROLL OR THAT THEY STAYED ON THE PAYROLL FOR THE LIFE OF THE CONTRACT.

ANOTHER CONCERN IS REGIONAL OFFICE VERSUS HEADQUARTERS VERSUS BRANCH.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE SAW IN THAT PREVIOUS EXAMPLE.

LENGTH OF TIME LOCATED IN THE CITY, PREVIOUS PREFERENCE REQUIRED ONE YEAR IN BUSINESS IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY BEFORE YOU COULD APPLY FOR PREFERENCE AND THEN A HOME BASED BUSINESS VERSUS A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.

THE PREVIOUS POLICY, EVEN IF YOU HAD A BUSINESS TAX RECEIPT FOR YOUR HOME, YOU COULD NOT GET LOCAL PREFERENCE.

THAT WAS VERY DIFFICULT FOR OUR STAFF TO VERIFY BECAUSE YOU CAN BE A HOME BASED BUSINESS AND HAVE A BUSINESS TAX RECEIPT.

SO OFTEN WE WERE LOOKING ON GOOGLE MAPS TO SEE WHERE THEY WERE LOCATED.

BID PROCESSING TIME AND STAFF TIME BURDEN.

IF WE WANT TO GO DOWN THE PATH OF MATCHING, WE'RE ESSENTIALLY THE LOCAL BIDDER WITHIN A CERTAIN THRESHOLD HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO MATCH THE LOW BIDDER.

WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM TIME TO CONSIDER THAT OPTION.

THEY HAVE TO GO BACK TO THEIR SUBS, DO THEIR MATH AGAIN, SO THERE'S TIME ADDED TO THE PROCESS.

AND THEN THE OTHER THING TO CONSIDER IS WHAT'S A VENDOR IN GOOD STANDING IF WE'RE GOING TO OFFER PREFERENCE? BUSINESS TAX RECEIPTS ARE EASY TO VERIFY, BUT ARE WE GOING TO LOOK AND SEE IF THEY HAVE CODE VIOLATIONS? ARE WE GOING TO LOOK AND SEE IF THEY HAVE UTILITY LIENS? OR ANY OTHER CONCERNS THAT THE CITY MAY HAVE THAT THEY WANT TO CONSIDER NOT OFFERING PREFERENCE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT IN GOOD STANDING.

SO THERE'S RESEARCH INVOLVED FOR MY STAFF AND POTENTIALLY OTHER DEPARTMENTS AS WELL.

AND THEN ULTIMATELY THE PREVIOUS POLICY WAS NOT EFFECTIVE IN 2020.

I LOOKED AT THE PREVIOUS TWO YEARS AND IT HAD NOT IMPACTED A BID OUTCOME AND THE PRIOR TWO YEARS DID IMPACT AN RFP OUTCOME.

AND THAT WAS THE EXAMPLE THAT I SHOWED YOU.

SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO KIND OF DIG INTO HOW MUCH DO WE ACTUALLY SPEND LOCALLY RIGHT NOW ANYWAY.

NOW, THIS IS A BIG PICTURE.

50,000 FEET.

THIS IS ACTUALLY ALL THE SPEND IN THE CITY PURCHASE ORDERS AND PE CARDS.

SO THIS IS GOING TO INCLUDE THINGS THAT DON'T COME THROUGH PROCUREMENT LIKE FPL OR ANYTHING THAT'S EXEMPT FROM PROCUREMENT, LIKE LEGAL FEES OR ANYTHING WHERE THE DEPARTMENT'S GOT THE QUOTES, ANYTHING WE PIGGYBACK, ANY TYPE OF COOPERATIVE PURCHASE.

SO OVERALL IN 2021, WHICH IS THE CHART ON THE RIGHT, 18% OF OUR SPEND WAS IN PALM BAY OVERALL.

AND THEN THE CHART ON THE LEFT IS 2022.

THAT PERCENTAGE RIGHT NOW IS 30%.

AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT THIS CHART IS NOT COMPLETE BECAUSE THE FISCAL YEAR CLOSED ONLY ONE MONTH AGO.

SO INVOICES ARE STILL ROLLING IN.

WE'RE STILL MAKING PAYMENTS.

NOW WE'RE GOING TO DIVE A LITTLE DEEPER.

THIS IS HOW MANY SOLICITATIONS WE ACTUALLY AWARDED.

SO THIS IS WHAT PROCUREMENT CAN IMPACT AND THIS IS WHAT LOCAL PREFERENCE WOULD IMPACT YOU.

YES. YOU'RE ON A ROLL.

I'M SORRY. YES, MAYOR, YOU'RE DOING WELL.

BUT I WANT TO JUST TO TOUCH A LITTLE BIT ON THAT 30% AND THAT INCREASE OVER THE PREVIOUS YEAR.

WHAT WAS THAT, 18%? YES. SO THESE ARE LOCAL BUSINESSES THAT WE ARE.

ACTUALLY MAKING PURCHASES FROM.

CORRECT. JUST ONE OF THE HIGHLIGHTS.

THAT'S 30%.

THAT'S AN INCREASE OF 12% AND IT'S STILL ROLLING IN.

IN OTHER WORDS, WE STILL DON'T WE HAVE A MONTH YET TO FIGURE OUT HOW THAT INCREASE IS GOING TO REALLY BE DEFINED.

WHAT'S YOUR ESTIMATE ON? WOULD IT BE 32%, 31%? WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? I'M GOING TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.

AND I THINK THAT PERCENTAGE IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE VERY MUCH.

PROBABLY THE MAJORITY OF THE INVOICES THAT WE'RE WAITING ON OR OUT OF STATE VENDORS.

I COPY THAT. THOSE ARE THE HARDEST ONES TO GET A HOLD OF.

AND ALSO LOCAL BUSINESSES, THEY'RE GOOD AT INVOICING BECAUSE THEY NEED THAT MONEY, THEY NEED THAT CASH FLOW, AND WE SUPPORT THEM BY EXPEDITING THOSE PAYMENTS.

SO I DON'T THINK THAT PERCENTAGE WILL CHANGE.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. I APPRECIATE THAT.

NO PROBLEM. OKAY, SO THIS IS SOLICITATION.

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IN 2021, IT WAS 32%, SO ROUGHLY THE SAME.

SO THEN 2022, WE HAD THIS DROP IN OUR BUSINESS.

AWARDS WENT DOWN TO 18%.

SO TO YOUR POINT, MAYOR, I WANTED TO DIG INTO THAT AND FIND OUT WHY DID THAT OCCUR? WELL, INDIAN RIVER COUNTY PICKED UP A HUGE SHARE OF OUR BID AWARDS.

AND WHEN I LOOKED AT WHY THAT WAS, FIVE SOLICITATIONS WERE AWARDED TO RANGER CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRIES FOR ROAD BOND PAVING PROJECTS.

THEY ARE BASED IN FORT PIERCE AND FRANK WATANABE, THE CITY ENGINEER WILL TELL YOU THAT RANGER HAS BEEN AN EXCELLENT PARTNER IN OUR ROAD BOND PAVING PROGRAM, AND THEY ARE OFTEN THE LOWEST BIDDER, PARTIALLY BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY MOBILIZED HERE AND DOING WORK FOR THE CITY.

AND THEN I WANTED TO BREAK THAT DOWN EVEN FURTHER.

AND I WANTED TO LOOK AT WHAT CITIES ARE WE ACTUALLY AWARDING TO.

SO HERE'S STARTING ON THE LEFT FOR 2020.

YOU CAN SEE THAT PALM BAY REPRESENTED 11% OF SOLICITATIONS AWARDED AND MELBOURNE WAS THE SECOND LARGEST THEN INDIAN RIVER COUNTY, FOLLOWED BY COCO.

AGAIN, YOU'RE SEEING CITIES WITH LARGER COMMERCIAL BASES IN MELBOURNE AND COCO, THEN 2021 MELBOURNE AGAIN, FOLLOWED BY COCO.

AND THEN 2022, MELBOURNE AGAIN HAD THE LARGEST SHARE AND THEN INDIAN RIVER COUNTY CAME IN NEXT.

AND WE KIND OF KNOW WHY BECAUSE OF THE REASONS I JUST MENTIONED.

SO JUST A HIGH LEVEL RECAP OF THAT.

IN FISCAL YEAR 2022 OF OUR TOTAL SPENDS POS AND P CARDS.

80% WAS SPENT IN FLORIDA, 39 IN BREVARD, AND 30% IN PALM BAY.

AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT JUST THE SOLICITATIONS, SO WHERE LOCAL PREFERENCE WOULD IMPACT OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS AND THIS IS ON AVERAGE 87% OF SOLICITATIONS WERE AWARDED TO FLORIDA BUSINESSES, 29 TO BREVARD AND 7% TO PALM BAY.

SO I'M A DATA PERSON.

IF YOU HAVEN'T FIGURED THAT OUT, I LOVE ANALYSIS.

SO THE LAST THING THAT I DID IS I WENT THROUGH THE LAST TWO FISCAL YEARS AND SAID, WOULD LOCAL PREFERENCE HAVE MADE A DIFFERENCE IF IT WAS STILL IN PLACE? SO LET'S START WITH 2022.

WE HAD TEN TIMES WE RECEIVED A RESPONSE FROM A PALM BAY BUSINESS EXCUSE ME, FOUR TIMES THAT BUSINESS WAS NOT AWARDED.

THREE OF THOSE WERE CULVERT PIPE PROJECTS.

YOU CAN SEE THE DOLLAR VALUE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE LOW BID AND THE PALM BAY BID.

IT WAS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.

AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS THE ONE WE KNOW ABOUT THAT'S UNIMPROVED CODE LOT MOWING OR WE HAD A DISCUSSION WHICH GENERATED THE WORKSHOP TODAY.

THE SECOND HIGHEST BIDDER WAS A PALM BAY BASED BUSINESS AND SO YOU ALL KNOW THE AWARDED BIDDER DID WITHDRAW FROM THE CONTRACT AFTER AWARD AND WE DID MOVE FORWARD AND AWARD IT IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR CODE TO THE SECOND, SECOND LOWEST BIDDER, WHICH IS FLAWLESS.

SO THEY ARE AWARDED THAT CONTRACT CURRENTLY.

LOOKING AT 2021, WE HAD NINE TIMES WE HAD A RESPONSE FROM A PALM BAY BUSINESS.

YES. I DON'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF, PLEASE, MAYORS.

WHY DID THAT THAT BUSINESS WITHDRAW? DO YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION OR.

NO? I DO.

SO ULTIMATELY, WHEN THEY GOT IF YOU REMEMBER, THAT CONTRACT IS FOR AN IMPROVED CODE LOT.

THESE ARE OUR LOTS THAT HAVE GROWN WILD AND WE NEED TO CREATE A BASICALLY A FIRE BARRIER AROUND THEM TO PROTECT THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS.

SO THERE'S A DEFINITION IN THE SCOPE OF A MEDIUM CUT IN A HIGH CUT, AND WE HAD TO ESTIMATE HOW MANY TIMES YOU WOULD NEED A HIGH CUT.

GRASS AND TREES ABOVE YOUR HEAD AND HOW MANY TIMES YOU WOULD NEED A MEDIUM CUT.

AS CODE CODES STARTED HANDING OUT TASK ORDERS FOR THIS WORK TO THE VENDOR.

THEY FOUND THAT THEY DID NOT HAVE THE EQUIPMENT AND THEY WERE NOT CAPABLE OF KEEPING UP WITH THE DEMAND.

SO THEY DID REQUEST TO WITHDRAW.

IT IS IT WAS DEFINITELY IN THE CITY'S BEST INTEREST TO ALLOW THEM TO WITHDRAW AND MOVE FORWARD.

THEY ARE STILL SUCCESSFULLY DOING THE RIGHT OF WAY MOWING FOR PUBLIC WORKS, WHICH IS A VERY DIFFERENT SCOPE, AS I'M SURE YOU CAN IMAGINE.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. I APPRECIATE THAT.

NO PROBLEM. SO MOVING ON TO 2021 NINE RESPONSES FROM PALM BAY BUSINESSES.

FIVE TIMES A PALM BAY BUSINESS WAS NOT AWARDED ONCE WAS THE RFP FOR RESIDENTIAL BROKERAGE SERVICES.

I DO WANT TO NOTE THE PALM BAY BUSINESS THAT SUBMITTED ON THAT ACTUALLY WAS PARTNERING WITH AN OUT OF COUNTY FIRM.

THE RFQ FOR ENGINEERING SERVICES WAS AWARDED TO MULTIPLE FIRMS, INCLUDING FIRMS IN COCO AND MELBOURNE.

MOWING MAINTENANCE THERE WAS 153,000 DIFFERENCE.

CULVERT PIPE THERE WAS A $272,000 DIFFERENCE.

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THE THIRD HIGHEST BIDDER WAS A PALM BAY BASED BUSINESS AND THERE WAS A 13.2% OR $135,000 DIFFERENCE.

BUT THE SECOND LOW WAS IN COCOA AND THAT WAS VIA PAVING AND THERE WAS ONLY A $10,000 DIFFERENCE.

SO IN THAT CASE, RANGER WAS AWARDED.

BUT IF WE HAD OUR PREVIOUS LOCAL PREFERENCE POLICY, SINCE IT STILL HAD A BOVARD PREFERENCE, VA PAVING WOULD HAVE ACTUALLY WON THAT.

THE $135,000 MORE.

NO, I'M SORRY, A 10,000 MORE.

BUT THEY'RE COCO BASED BUSINESS, NOT A PALM BAY BASED BUSINESS.

WE'RE NEARING THE END AND I REALLY WANT TO FOCUS ON WHAT OUR OFFICE DOES THAT REALLY ENGAGES LOCAL BUSINESS, IN MY OPINION.

I TALK A LOT ABOUT BEST VALUE PROCUREMENT.

THOSE ARE THE RFPS AND THEY ARE OF QUEUES WHERE COST IS A VERY LOW FACTOR OR IN THE CASE OF RFQ, CAN'T BE CONSIDERED AT ALL.

ALTHOUGH WE DON'T HAVE A MATHEMATICAL FORMULA THAT WE APPLY, WE LOOK CAREFULLY AT EVALUATION CRITERIA AND TRY TO STRUCTURE THEM IN SUCH A WAY THAT EVALUATION TEAM MEMBERS ARE THINKING ABOUT LOCAL BUSINESS.

SO A GREAT EXAMPLE IS THE FIRE STATION DESIGN, RFQ.

I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

THAT WILL BE COMING BACK TO YOU GUYS AT THE SECOND MEETING IN NOVEMBER TO AWARD.

WE HAD FOUR SEPARATE BULLET POINTS UNDER PROJECT TEAM WHERE THE FIRMS HAD TO TALK ABOUT WHERE ARE THEY LOCATED, WHERE ARE THEIR TEAM MEMBERS LOCATED? HOW MANY JOBS HAVE THEY DONE IN PALM BAY? WHAT ABOUT THEIR SUB CONSULTANTS? HAVE THEY FILED PERMITS WITH THE CITY OF PALM BAY? WHAT'S THEIR EXPERIENCE? WHAT'S THEIR FAMILIARITY WITH THE SOIL CONDITIONS IN OUR AREA AND THE STORMWATER? SO THAT'S ONE EXAMPLE.

ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS THE DIGITAL MARKET RFP.

SUSAN BLAIR BY THE WAY, OUR PROCUREMENT MANAGER IS HERE AND SHE DID THIS ONE.

THIS HAD A GREAT RESPONSE LEVEL AND ONE OF THE EVALUATION CRITERIA IS THERE WAS FOR THE FIRMS TO AGAIN DISCUSS THEIR PHYSICAL LOCATION AND HOW THEY CAN SERVICE THIS MARKET.

THIS IS GOING TO BE THE MARQUEE IN FRONT OF THE CITY HALL COMPLEX.

HOW CAN THEY SERVICE IT IF WE HAD A TECHNICAL ISSUE FOR THEM TO TALK ABOUT THAT? WE HAD AN APPAREL QUOTE ALSO DONE BY SUSAN, AND SHE ACTUALLY HAD A PREFERENCE IN THERE WHERE YOU HAD TO HAVE A COMMERCIAL STOREFRONT WITHIN 50 MILES.

WE ENDED UP AWARDING THAT CONTRACT TO FIVE VENDORS, ALL LOCATED WITHIN CITY OF PALM BAY AND CITY OF MELBOURNE.

IN TERMS OF EXTRA OUTREACH, WE REALLY GO OUT OF OUR WAY TO ENGAGE VENDORS AND REACH OUT TO THEM BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY IS ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND READING OUR POST ABOUT GETTING ON VENDOR LINK.

SO ON THE APPAREL QUOTE, SUSAN WENT THROUGH AND LOOKED AT ALL THE LOCAL VENDORS WE'VE EVER DONE BUSINESS WITH AND CALLED THEM TO INVITE TO PARTICIPATE ON THEIR ON GM PARTS AND SERVICE HEAVY EQUIPMENT PARTS AND GENERAL CONTRACTOR SERVICES.

SAME THING. THOSE SOLICITATIONS WE CALLED VENDORS TO ENGAGE THEM AND INVITE THEM TO PARTICIPATE.

THE DIGITAL MARQUEE, WE DID SOMETHING KIND OF DIFFERENT AND COOL WHEN WE WERE AND JOAN WAS PART OF THIS AS WELL.

WHEN WE WERE DEVELOPING THE SCOPE, WE WEREN'T SURE EXACTLY HOW TECHNOLOGY HAS EVOLVED FROM THE DIGITAL MARQUEES.

SO WE HAD A MEETING WITH JUST THE LOCAL SIGN COMPANIES BEFORE THE SOLICITATION EVEN WENT LIVE TO JUST PICK THEIR BRAINS AS THE SUBJECT MATTER.

EXPERTS TALK ABOUT OUR SCOPE AND WHAT WE WANTED TO DO AND GET THEIR FEEDBACK AND THEN PUT IT OUT ON THE STREET.

AND SAME THING FOR RESIDENTIAL BROKERAGE.

YOU PROBABLY REMEMBER THAT PRIOR TO THE RFP BEING ISSUED.

SO MAINTAINING THE CODE OF SILENCE, WE DID A WEBINAR THAT WE ADVERTISE THROUGH THE SPACE COAST ASSOCIATION OF REALTORS, INVITING INTERESTED BROKERS TO ATTEND AND LEARN HOW TO SUBMIT AN RFP BECAUSE THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY OFTEN WOULD BE SUBMITTING ON.

AND LASTLY, IN DECEMBER, WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO HAVE A STAKEHOLDER MEETING WITH OUR ROAD BOND CONTRACTORS AND SUBCONTRACTORS TO TALK ABOUT CURRENT MARKET CONDITIONS AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE COULD BE DOING DIFFERENTLY IN OUR SOLICITATIONS OR HOW WE'RE PLANNING THAT PROGRAM TO ENCOURAGE MORE BIDDERS AND MORE ACCESSIBILITY ON THOSE BIDS.

SO BASED ON THAT DATA, IN MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION, I WOULD SAY YOU DON'T NEED A LOCAL PREFERENCE.

OUR COMMERCIAL BASE, IN MY OPINION, IS NOT LARGE ENOUGH FOR IT.

OUR LARGEST FELLOW GOVERNMENT AGENCIES, BREVARD COUNTY IN THE SCHOOL BOARD, DON'T HAVE A LOCAL PREFERENCE.

IT'S RESTRICTED FOR USE FOR SOME OF OUR GRANT DOLLARS, CDBG ARPA, AND EVEN OUR STATE LEGISLATIVE APPROPRIATIONS.

IT WOULD HAVE ONLY IMPACTED ONE BID TO A PALM BAY BUSINESS IN THE LAST TWO YEARS.

AND PLEASE BELIEVE ME, NO ONE WAS MORE UPSET ABOUT THAT WHEN I SAW THE TABULATION THAN ME.

SUSAN BROUGHT IT TO ME. SHE'S LIKE, OH, YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO BELIEVE THIS BECAUSE WE WANT LOCAL BUSINESSES TO DO BUSINESS WITH THE CITY.

THAT'S WHAT WE WANT.

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I HAVE TO FOLLOW OUR ORDINANCE.

AND ALSO I'M GOING TO TOOT OUR OWN HORN HERE.

I DON'T THINK IT'S AN EXAGGERATION TO SAY THAT AT LEAST WITHIN BREVARD COUNTY, NO ONE IS MORE COMMITTED TO VENDOR ENGAGEMENT AND OUTREACH THAN OUR OFFICE IS.

I'M INCREDIBLY PROUD OF THE WORK THAT OUR STAFF DOES, AND I HOPE I'VE DEMONSTRATED THAT FOR YOU TODAY.

BUT THAT SAID, I SERVE THE RESIDENTS AND YOU ALL REPRESENT THE RESIDENTS.

I REPORT TO THE CITY MANAGER.

IF YOU ALL WANT LOCAL PREFERENCE, I JUST NEED SOME GUIDANCE ON A FEW IMPORTANT CATEGORIES SO I CAN BRING YOU BACK AN ORDINANCE AT A LATER COUNCIL DATE.

WE WOULD NEED TO TALK ABOUT CATEGORIES.

DO YOU WANT ONLY PALM BAY, PALM BAY AND BREVARD? HOW MUCH PREFERENCE DO YOU WANT? 5%. 10%.

DO WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT RESIDENTIAL VERSUS COMMERCIAL GOOD STANDING? ANY EXCEPTIONS? THOSE ARE GOING TO BE PRETTY WELL DEFINED BY BY CODE OF FEDERAL REGULATIONS IN FLORIDA STATUTE.

DO YOU WANT TO HAVE AN ADMINISTRATIVE WAIVER OF IT OR ONLY HAVE IT WAIVED AT COUNCIL LEVEL? AND LASTLY, I DO ASK THAT ANY ORDINANCE WOULD HAVE REPORTING REQUIREMENTS.

I'D BE GLAD TO BRING YOU BACK DATA AND ALSO PERHAPS A SUNSET CONSIDERATION OR AT LEAST HAVE IT REVISITED AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE.

AND WITH THAT, I'M OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

I WANTED TO GIVE DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON, SINCE YOU'RE ON COMM, I WANT TO GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY FOR QUESTIONS FIRST, SIR.

DEPUTY MAYOR. OKAY, SO I'M GOING TO SPLIT IT.

OKAY. YEAH, Y'ALL DON'T MIND.

SO. SO MY NAME IS ISABEL, RIGHT? I'M PRESIDENT OF THE FLORIDA HISPANIC CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

I'M HERE TODAY TO BASICALLY BRING YOU GUYS TO AWARENESS OF THE INDIAN ASSOCIATION OF SPACE COAST.

WE'RE PLANNING AN EVENT IN JANUARY, AND WE'RE VERY HONORED TO PARTNER WITH THEM ON THEIR NATIONAL HOLIDAY, WHICH IS A KITE FLYING HOLIDAY.

AND WE HAVE GONE AHEAD AND PUT THE APPLICATIONS FOR THE PERMITS AND ALL THAT AS REQUIRED.

WE HAVE ALSO MANAGED TO WE ARE VERY BLESSED TO HAVE THEM MOVE TO PALM BAY FROM ROCKLEDGE.

SO YAY, WE HAVE ANOTHER NONPROFIT COMING IN THIS AREA.

SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND PASS OUT THE INFORMATION SO YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.

AND I BOUGHT YOU.

THEY WANTED ME TO GIVE YOU A KITE SO YOU GUYS CAN SEE HOW THE KITES ARE BECAUSE THEY ARE DIFFERENT.

SO THIS HOLIDAY FOR THE INDIAN COMMUNITY, IT'S LIKE OUR THANKSGIVING IT'S A HARVEST FESTIVAL IS TO WELCOME THE SUN AND PURITY INTO THEIR COMMUNITY.

SO THIS EVENT BRINGS FOUR OR 500 PEOPLE TO THE AREA AND WE ARE VERY PLEASED TO TO HAVE THEM COME AND DO THIS IN THE POPPY PARK.

SO I HAVE THE KITES AND I WILL GO AHEAD AND GIVE THEM TO YOU GUYS.

BUT I DON'T WANT TO LOSE THE TIME.

I WANT TO SPEAK REAL QUICK ABOUT THE POW PROGRAM.

I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET THIS PROGRAM UP AND RUNNING FOR THE PAST SIX YEARS, AND IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT $28,000 HAVE BEEN GIVEN TO THE CITY OF MELBOURNE FOR THEIR POW PROGRAM FOR OUR 12 KIDS.

AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT CITY COUNCIL IS AWARE OF IT.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA AND BRING THE POW PROGRAM BACK INTO OUR COMMUNITY, OUR CITY, TO SPONSOR OUR KIDS.

WE'VE HAD TWO IN THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS AND THE CHIEF CAN ATTEST TO THIS.

WE HAD HAD TWO CASES OF RUNAWAYS.

AND IT'S NOT THAT THIS IS GOING TO CURE THE RUNAWAY PROBLEM OR OUR TEENAGE PROBLEM, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY GOING TO BRING OUR COMMUNITY TOGETHER AND HELP OUR KIDS TO HAVE SOMETHING TO DO IN OUR CITY, NOT HAVE TO GO TO MELBOURNE, NOT HAVE TO GO TO WHEREVER HERE IN PALM BAY.

AND I WANT THIS TO BE PUT ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE I'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO THIS, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN MEETINGS.

AND I UNDERSTAND YOU GUYS ARE BUSY, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF AND WE NEED TO BRING IT BACK TO PALM BAY.

SO I THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

I'M GOING TO PASS OUT THE KITES.

AND IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THESE EVENTS, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT.

46 SECONDS AND I'M AWESOME.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

SO DID I HIT CORRECTLY YET PASSING KITES OUT TO COUNCIL TO.

FROM.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MA'AM.

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MR. ROBERT STICE, FOLLOWED BY AMY MCDANIEL.

[PUBLIC COMMENTS/RESPONSES ]

I JUST I KNOW IN PUBLIC, HEY, YOU'LL FORGIVE ME IF I'M A LITTLE GRUMPY TODAY, BUT BEAR WITH ME.

I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF US GETTING TIRED OF HEARING THAT WE'RE THE GREATEST CITY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH.

THAT'S CRAZY AND RINGS HOLLOW WITH ME AND OTHER PEOPLE.

I UNDERSTAND. WE'RE TRYING TO GET FOLKS JAZZED ABOUT IT.

I REALLY DO, MR. MAYOR. BUT THE GREATEST CITY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH DOESN'T HAVE ONE OF THE WORST RESPONSE TIMES FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES IN ALL OF FLORIDA FIRE AND POLICE LIKE LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND WITH ALL THE COOKIE CUTTER HOMES THAT WE'RE BUILDING IN APARTMENTS ON TOP OF ONE ANOTHER, WE ARE CREATING GRIDLOCK.

THAT'S JUST ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE.

WE'RE NOT THE GREATEST CITY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH.

WE'RE NOT EVEN THE GREATEST CITY IN FLORIDA.

WE'RE NOT THE GREATEST CITY IN PROVIDE.

MELBOURNE HAS A POLICE AND FIRE THAT CAN RESPOND EFFECTIVELY AND GET TO YOUR HOUSE SHOULD IT BE ON FIRE.

THEY HAVE A RESTAURANT, A ZOO AND DARE I SAY, GOLF COURSES.

YOU KNOW, WE ARE THE GOLF COURSE CAPITAL OF THE UNITED STATES, ARE WE NOT? GOLF COURSES ATTRACT TOURISTS ALL DAY.

RESIDENTS LIVING, YOU KNOW, BRING UP CONCERNS DURING A PUBLIC COMMENT TWICE A MONTH.

MANY TIMES THEY'RE FOLLOWED BY A THANK YOU AND WE DON'T HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

I REALLY THINK WITH WHAT MAYOR FOSTER HAD SAY PREVIOUSLY, WE HAVE TO LISTEN AND PAY ATTENTION TO THE RED SHIRTS.

OKAY? WE HIRED YOU.

WE ELECTED YOU TO TAKE CARE OF US, TO IMPROVE OUR QUALITY OF LIFE.

WHEN YOU CAN'T GET FIRE AND POLICE HERE IN A TIMELY FASHION.

AND I'M WATCHING THE HEAD OF THE FIRE AND POLICE DEPARTMENT COMING UP HERE BEGGING FOR RESOURCES.

YOU'RE PUTTING US IN DANGER AND YOU HAVE TO LOOK AND SOLVE THIS PROBLEM.

BUILDING COOKIE CUTTER HOUSES IN APARTMENTS WHILE APARTMENTS GENERATE MORE MONEY, BUT THEY MAKE THE QUALITY OF LIFE HORRIBLE.

THE APARTMENT THAT'S GOING UP NEXT TO WALMART, FOR INSTANCE, YOU GOT ALL OF THOSE FOLKS GETTING OUT ON MALABAR ROAD AT SEVEN IN THE MORNING.

I DO NOT CARE WHAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY SAYS.

I KNOW WHAT THE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO THINK.

YOU KNOW, WE.

I. WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH INFRASTRUCTURE WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE APPLYING, WHEN YOU HAVE BUILDERS APPLYING FOR 4100 HOMES AND THERE'S NO INFRASTRUCTURE THERE? ARE WE GOING TO RUBBER STAMP THAT? AND THEY WALK INTO A GROCERY STORE ON MITTEN, HAVE TO SHOP AT SAM'S CLUB.

THIS HAS GOT TO BE FIXED.

IT'S DANGEROUS.

THERE'S AN OLD SAYING, IF YOU PLAY WITH FIRE, YOU'RE GOING TO GET BURNED.

WE'RE GOING TO FIRE DOWN BY SUMMERFIELD, WHERE I LIVE.

AND THEN YOU HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY ON THE OTHER SIDE.

HOW ABOUT WEST NORTHWEST OF TOWN WITH ALL THOSE HOUSING GOING UP? THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET THERE ON FINE ON TIME.

HOUSES ARE GOING TO BURN.

YOU WANT TO LIVE WITH THAT.

SO FIGURE IT OUT.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET EVERYTHING DONE OVERNIGHT.

PLEASE LOOK AT THE SAFETY OF THE PUBLIC.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SAM.

FAST. JUST WANT TO JUST WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING.

THE FIRST THING I WANT TO SHARE IS I BELIEVE MY WORDS HAVE POWER.

LIFE AND DEATH ARE IN THE POWER OF THE TONGUE.

SO I SPEAK LIFE OVER MY CITY.

I SAY THAT THE CITY OF PALM BAY IS THE GREATEST CITY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT MY WORDS ARE SPIRITUAL CAPSULES AND THEY WILL CREATE THIS CITY BE THE GREATEST CITY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH.

THAT BEING SAID, I STILL STAND BY MY STATEMENT.

THE GREATEST CITY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH IS PALM BAY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

AMY MCDANIEL, FOLLOWED BY RANDALL OLSZEWSKI.

GOOD EVENING. I THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION THIS EVENING.

I'M HERE FOR THE RESIDENTS OF AMADOR AVENUE IN NORTHWEST PALM BAY.

IT IS A SMALL STREET SLASH STREET OFF EMERSON BEFORE THE PARKWAY, AND WE HAVE HAD AN ESTABLISHMENT FARM.

HARRIS ESTABLISHMENT FARMS HAVE OPENED IN THE LOTS BETWEEN OUR STREET AND THE PARKWAY.

THE ONLY ACCESS IN AND OUT OF THIS FARM IS OUR STREET.

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THEY ARE BASED ON THEIR WEBSITE AND ECO TOURISM COMPANY.

AN AGRO TOURISM COMPANY.

EXCUSE ME. IT'S A COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE THAT'S OPERATING IN AN AREA THAT IS ZONED FOR CROPLAND.

IT MAY BE A WORKING FARM.

YES, THEY DO PLANT PUMPKINS AND WILDFLOWERS.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE PLANTING BLUEBERRIES FOR PEOPLE TO COME OUT AND PICK.

THEY HAVE A PETTING ZOO.

THEY'RE PUTTING IN ZIP LINE.

THEY HAVE TEN ACRES OF PATHS FOR JOGGING OR WALKING, WHATEVER.

THEY'RE EXPANDING.

THEY ARE A COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE.

THE FIRST DAY THEY OPENED IN OCTOBER FOR THEIR FALL FESTIVAL, THEY HAD 900 CARS ON A RESIDENTIAL STREET.

THAT'S 1800 NONRESIDENTS GOING IN AND OUT.

FRIDAY, SATURDAY AND SUNDAY, THEY'RE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

WE ARE AVERAGING 500 TO 900 CARS ON SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS.

ON TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY.

WE'RE GETTING TOUR BUSSES THAT ARE ALSO HAVING THEIR DUMP TRUCKS DELIVER DIRT AND THEY'RE COMING DOWN THE STREET AT ABOUT 40 TO 50 MILES PER HOUR.

I'M NOT EXAGGERATING.

I DRAG RACE ON THE WEEKENDS.

I KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 30 AND 50 MILES PER HOUR.

IT'S INSANE.

THESE PEOPLE, THE NOISE POLLUTION, I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO AFFECT OUR PROPERTY VALUES.

IT'S ALREADY IMPACTING OUR QUALITY OF LIFE.

IT'S ALREADY DOUBLED MY SECURITY CAMERAS, BILL, FROM $600 A YEAR TO 1200 DOLLARS A YEAR IN ONE DAY.

IT'S A SAFETY CONCERN.

WE'RE A SMALL STREET.

THEY'RE TEARING OUR STREET UP.

WE HAVE CHILDREN, ELDERLY PEOPLE WITH PETS, ELDERLY PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES AND JUST ANYBODY ELSE THAT WANTS TO BE OUT AND ENJOY THEIR COMMUTE.

THAT STREET WALKING TO THE TRAILS ON THE PARKWAY, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO FEEL SAFE.

IT'S NOT IF IT'S WHEN THERE IS GOING TO BE AN ACCIDENT, SOMEBODY IS GOING TO GET KILLED AND WE NEED YOUR ASSISTANCE.

I CAME TO YOUR OFFICE TODAY.

I WAS DIRECTED TO EITHER SPEAK WITH YOU OR MISS SHERMAN, BUT THEY ALSO ENCOURAGED ME TO COME TO THIS MEETING THIS EVENING TO BRING IT TO YOU, THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY COUNCIL'S ATTENTION, BECAUSE WE NEED YOUR ASSISTANCE.

THEY ARE PART OF BREVARD COUNTY.

THEY ONLY HAVE THE PALM BAY MAILING ADDRESS.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO GO.

I NEED HELP. WE NEED HELP.

I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU. AND I'M SURE THIS IS THIS IS COUNTY PROPERTY THAT I'M HERE.

ACTUALLY, WE JUST I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS.

I GOT A MESSAGE WHEN I WAS IN A MEETING THAT.

MRS. MCDONALD.

YES. MRS. MCDANIEL.

EXCUSE ME. HAD COME COME TO THE OFFICE AND DROPPED OFF SOME PAPERWORK.

I WAS QUITE SURPRISED BY WHAT I LEARNED.

SO WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE INVESTIGATING THIS, AND I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING IT TO OUR ATTENTION BECAUSE WE WERE NOT AWARE.

SO WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THAT. BUT I JUST GOT THAT INFORMATION TODAY.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

WHEN RANDALL, FOLLOWED BY PHILIP CORCORAN.

GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR. GOOD EVENING, COUNSEL.

RANDALL OLSZEWSKI, 348 BROOK EDGE STREET, NORTHEAST.

CHECK IT OUT. MY SUPER SWEET EAGLE T IT SAYS LIVING THE DREAM, WHICH I AM.

THANKS TO ALL THOSE VETERANS OUT THERE.

I DO THE EASY PART OF DEMOCRACY, COME UP HERE AND SHARE MY OPINION BECAUSE ALL OF YOU VETERANS STANDING BEHIND ME, STANDING BEFORE ME, LISTENING TO ME SPEAK, DID WHAT YOU DID, TOOK UP ARMS, HELD THE LINE FOR US.

SO THANK YOU. GOD BLESS YOU ALL.

AND WE ALL HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE.

SO I'M GOING TO TAKE OUT MY ROADMAP.

OH, I'M SORRY. IT'S A SAMPLE BALLOT.

SHOW EVERYBODY WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.

SO FLORIDA TODAY ATTEMPTED TO DO OUR GREAT CITY SOME JUSTICE, AND THEY WROTE AN ARTICLE ABOUT OUR CHARTER AMENDMENTS, OF WHICH I'M VERY ASTUTE ON BECAUSE I WAS ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION AND I COME ALL THE TIME.

BUT THEY ONLY MENTIONED SEVEN REFERENDUMS AND THERE'S EIGHT.

AND YOU KNOW WHICH ONE? THEY FORGOT EVERYBODY, THE COMPENSATION ONE.

SO I'M GOING TO READ IT.

SO WE WANT TO BRING THE PAY FOR THE MAYOR TO $0.20 PER CAPITA TO $0.25.

THAT'S A 20% INCREASE.

AND WE WANT TO BRING THE PAY FOR THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS FROM $0.10 TO $0.20.

THAT'S 100% INCREASE.

AND WE WANT TO MAKE THAT EFFECTIVE ON NOVEMBER 9TH, THE DAY AFTER THE ELECTION.

SO I JUST GOT MY PROPERTY TAX BILL, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S BEFORE THE CAP DOESN'T EXIST, WHICH IS ALSO ON HERE.

AND I GOT THAT YESTERDAY.

SO I WENT AND PICKED UP MY PACK OF RAMEN TODAY.

AND I'M JUST HOPING WHEN YOU GUYS GET YOUR RAISE NEXT WEEK THAT YOU CAN SPOT ME ON MY NEXT PACK OF RAMEN BECAUSE IT'S IT'S TOUGH.

IT'S TOUGH. GO OUT HERE FOR A NORMAL CITIZEN TRYING TO PAY ALL MY BILLS BEFORE ALL THIS NONSENSE.

SO EVERYBODY GET YOUR BALLOT.

MAKE SURE YOU VOTE ON IT.

DO NOT RIDE THE PARTY LINE.

LOOK AT EACH ITEM AND VOTE INTELLIGENTLY.

PLEASE. THAT BEING SAID, I WANT TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT A WORD THAT THE MAYOR HAPPENED TO USE IN THE EARLIER PROCLAMATION ABOUT LAWYERS AND THE LACK THEREOF

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I'M GOING TO SAY IT VERY SLOW TOTALITARIAN IS MY VIEW OF TOTALITARIANISM IS WHEN A GOVERNMENT BODY OR ENTITY LIMITS THE AMOUNT THAT THEIR CITIZENS ARE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE.

SO, YOU KNOW, I GET MY 180 SECONDS AND I'M A FAST TALKER.

I'M ORIGINALLY FROM LONG ISLAND, SO I SUFFICE FINE WITH THAT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT TROUBLES SOME OF MY FELLOW CITIZENS, SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS.

SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY GET TO DO IS COME TO CITIZEN ADVISORY BOARDS.

THEY CAN COME TO THE RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD, OF WHICH I'M THE VICE CHAIR.

THEY CAN HAVE THEIR THOUGHTS HEARD.

WE CAN HAVE GOOD DIALOG ABOUT IT.

THEN COME TO THE CITIZENS BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD, OF WHICH I'M THE CHAIR AND THEY CAN HAVE THEIR THOUGHTS ON THE FISCAL IMPACT OF OUR CITY HEARD.

BUT IN NEW BUSINESS THREE AND FOUR, BOTH OF THOSE ARE UP TO BE DISSOLVED, SO DON'T LEAVE BEFORE A PUBLIC HEARINGS, FOLKS.

LET'S HEAR NEW BUSINESSES THREE AND FOUR BECAUSE AND THE RED SHIRTS.

LISTEN TO THIS. AT THE RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD MEETING JUST LAST NIGHT, AN INFORMATIONAL CITIZEN MEETING.

IT WAS SHARED WITH US BY MR. FRED POMPEY THAT ONLY SO LONG AGO THE CITY HAD A DEAL READY FOR THE CLOSING TABLE FOR THE MAJOR'S GOLF COURSE AT 1.6 MILLION.

HOW MUCH YOU THINK IT'S GOING TO COST US TO GET THAT GOLF COURSE NOW, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT THAT IN A BOARD ENVIRONMENT WHEN IT GETS DISSOLVED.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

PHILIP KAUFMAN, FOLLOWED BY SONIA ROMERO.

PHILLIP CORCORAN, 1878 WHEN BROOK DRIVE.

I NOTICED THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY FORMERLY CALLED THE MAJORS AND HER LAWYER WERE HERE EARLIER.

I WOULD LIKE TO THANK ALL THE RED SHIRTS FOR COMING AGAIN TONIGHT.

THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY FORMERLY CALLED THE MAJOR'S GOLF COURSE HAS DAMAGED OUR CITY.

THIS CITY THAT MANY OF US CHOSE TO CALL HOME, WE BOUGHT HOUSES HERE WITH OUR LIFE SAVINGS.

SHE HAS REDUCED THE VALUE OF ALL PROPERTIES IN BAYSIDE LAKES AND PALM BAY, INCLUDING HER OWN, IN A FAILED EFFORT TO FORCE THE CITY COUNCIL TO REZONE THE GOLF COURSE. THE OWNER DECIDED TO INTENTIONALLY DESTROY THE PROPERTY BY REMOVING THE SPRINKLER HEADS AND ELIMINATING MAINTENANCE ON THE PROPERTY.

THIS BEHAVIOR SHOULD NOT BE REWARDED.

I'M IN FAVOR OF THE FINE WORK AND WOULD LIKE TO THANK ATTORNEY EDWARDS FOR THE CHANGES TO CHAPTER 93.

I DO UNDERSTAND WE DO NOT WANT TO HARM FARMS, NURSERIES AND OTHER BUSINESSES THAT SUPPORT THIS THE STATE, THE GREEN SPACES AND THE VIABLE BUSINESSES THAT ALWAYS WANTED TO MAKE A PROFIT HERE IN OUR CITY.

IT'S NOT CLEAR THAT ANYBODY FROM THE MAJORS WANTED TO DO THAT.

I WANT TO THANK THE OWNER.

I WANT TO LET THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY FORMERLY CALLED THE MAJORS KNOW THAT WE WILL FILL THIS ROOM WITH RED SHIRTS WHEN WHEN CHAPTER 93 COMES UP FOR A VOTE VOTE. SO HER AND HER LAWYER WILL NEED TO GET HERE EARLY TO GET A SEAT.

THE PROPERTY HAS FALLEN INTO DISREPAIR IN ADDITION TO THE GRASS, OR SHOULD I CALL THEM WEEDS? THE BUSINESS SIGNS ARE MISSING AND THE STRUCTURES REMAIN.

SOMEBODY HAS DROPPED SAND IN THE PARKING LOTS.

IT LOOKS LIKE UPSTATE NEW YORK ROADS IN APRIL BEFORE THE ROADS GET CLEANED.

I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO MENTION THAT I SPOKE TO MIKE MULLIGAN.

HE IS THE MANAGER OF FRED HOLLAND AND THE HABITAT GOLF COURSE.

AND HE WOULD LOVE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT POSSIBLY WORKING WITH THE MAJORS IN HELPING TO MAINTAIN AND MANAGE THAT COURSE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

SONIA ROMERO, FOLLOWED BY TIM BLAND.

GOOD EVENING. LET ME GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND.

MY MOM, WHO'S A VERY, VERY WONDERFUL PERSON, SHE CARES ABOUT EVERYBODY ELSE MORE THAN HERSELF.

MY SISTER NEGLECTED TO TAKE CARE OF HER.

SHE LIVED BACK IN WASHINGTON STATE, SO SHE LET MY NIECE AND HER TWO KIDS COME MOVE IN WITH HER BECAUSE THEY HAD NO PLACE TO GO.

WELL, THEY ENDED UP BRINGING MY MOM'S HOUSE DOWN.

LET'S START. TAKE YOUR TIME, MAN.

TAKE YOUR TIME. THEY THEY BURNED MY MOM'S HOUSE DOWN, SO SHE HAD NOTHING.

SHE HAD A FEW CLOTHES LEFT AND SOME PICTURES.

SO I FLEW BACK TO WASHINGTON STATE AND GOT HER.

I BROUGHT HER HERE.

SO SHE HAD BEEN TO DOCTOR IN PROBABLY ABOUT 25 YEARS.

SHE'S GOT AN AUTOIMMUNE DISEASE, SO SHE HAS TO HAVE INFUSIONS.

SHE'S HAD TWO ORAL SURGERIES AND WE'RE STILL TRYING TO GET IT SO THAT SHE CAN THE DENTURES WILL FIT.

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SO WE STARTED THIS BACK IN JANUARY.

WE STARTED GOING THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS OF TRYING TO GET PERMIT AFTER PERMIT SO THAT SHE COULD HAVE HER OWN PLACE.

SHE SHE HAS WHAT USED TO BE MY OFFICE AS HER BEDROOM.

RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST SOMETHING LITTLE BECAUSE WE HADN'T PLANNED ON HER MOVING HERE WITH US WHEN WE BOUGHT OUR HOUSE.

SO SHE HAS A LITTLE BEDROOM AND WE'VE GOT HER SOME CLOTHES AND A BED AND A TV AND STUFF, BUT THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL THAT SHE HAS.

SO WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET HER A PLACE OF HER OWN IN OUR BACKYARD TO LIVE.

WE STARTED THIS BACK IN JANUARY.

WE WENT THROUGH ALL KINDS OF GETTING PERMIT AFTER PERMIT AFTER PERMIT.

HER BUILDING WAS ONLY GOING TO COST $7,100 FOR THAT 20 BY 20 BUILDING.

WE FINALLY JUMPED THROUGH ALL THE HOOPS.

JUST A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND IT GOT APPROVED WHERE WE COULD GET THE PERMIT IN ORDER TO GET THAT PERMIT.

IT COST $8,000 FOR A $7,000 BUILDING.

THE PERMIT ACTUALLY COSTS MORE THAN IT WILL.

FOR HER TO HAVE SOME PLACE TO LIVE.

ONE OF THE MAIN IMPACT FEES IS LIKE $4,000 ON HERE.

IT'S A TRAFFIC IMPACT FEE.

I MEAN, I KNOW, I KNOW THERE'S FEES, I KNOW THERE'S DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT THIS IS A 78 YEAR OLD WOMAN.

IT'S GOING TO BE IN MY BACKYARD.

AND SHE'S EXPECTED TO PAY MORE FOR IMPACT FEES THAN FOR SOME PLACE FOR HER TO LIVE.

I JUST TO ME, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

I DON'T I KNOW THERE'S RULES AND LAWS OF HOW EVERYTHING HAS TAXES AND EVERYTHING, BUT TO ME, IT JUST WITH COMMON SENSE.

HOW COULD YOU EXPECT.

A 78 YEAR OLD WOMAN TO PAY $8,000 SO SHE CAN BUILD HER $7,000 HOUSE.

I MEAN, IF YOU WANT THIS, I CAN GIVE THIS TO YOU.

THIS IS A COPY OF THE IMPACT FEES.

OKAY. THANK YOU, MA'AM. MADAM CHAIRMAN.

THANK YOU, MR. ROMERO. I DID NOT HAVE A CHANCE YET TO GET A MEETING WITH YOU.

I KNOW MY STAFF IS WORKING ON THAT FOR ME.

I DID RECEIVE YOUR EMAIL.

SO WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THAT.

YOU HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC SITUATION, VERY UNIQUE SITUATION.

WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT HOW OUR ORDINANCES APPLY TO THAT.

SO WE WILL HAVE FOLLOW UP AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO, BECAUSE I RESPECT WHERE YOU'RE AT ON THAT.

THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. AND THANK YOU FOR SHARING.

THANK YOU. NEXT UP, MR. TIM. PLEASE TELL YOUR MOM.

WELCOME TO PALM BAY.

WE REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING FOR HER.

GOD BLESS YOU. AND AFTER MR. TIM BLAND, WE HAVE MS..

JAMIE HERZL.

GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. HOW ARE YOU TONIGHT? WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK YOU DO FOR THE CITY OF PALM BAY AND THE VOLUNTEERISM THAT MY WIFE SUPPORTS AS A VCOP.

AND EVERYTHING'S GOING GREAT.

EXCEPT. A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, WE ALL TALKED ABOUT STARTING A.

ORGANIZING SOME SORT OF COMMITTEE TO INVESTIGATE AND RESEARCH THE POSSIBILITY OF PURCHASING MAJOR'S GOLF COURSE.

RIGHT. FOR THE CITY, WHICH IS A CROWN JEWEL.

RIGHT. I THINK WE ALL AGREE ON THAT.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS HERE.

ONE IS IS THERE AND I KNOW YOU WANT ANSWER, BUT IS THERE A POTENTIAL FOR A PUBLIC PRIVATE CONSORTIUM WHERE THE CITY AND I ALWAYS WANT TO SAY VILLAGE BECAUSE I CAME FROM THE VILLAGE OF GLENDALE AND OUTSIDE OF CHICAGO, ILLINOIS.

BUT IF THE CITY OF PALM BAY WOULD PURCHASE A LAND.

AND FIND A PRIVATE EQUITY PARTNER IN THE CITY.

TO REPAIR.

THE DAMAGE IS DONE AT THE MAJOR'S GOLF COURSE AND REOPEN IT AS A GOLF COURSE AND A CLUBHOUSE WITH A NICE RESTAURANT DRIVING RANGE, AN 18 HOLE MINIATURE GOLF COURSE AND MAYBE SOME BATTING CAGES AND A SMALL HOTEL TO BRING OPPORTUNITY TO THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

JUST BRIEFLY, I JUST WANT TO I JUST WANT TO READ WHAT IS ON THE MAJOR'S GOLF COURSE WEBSITE STILL TODAY, EVEN THOUGH IT SAYS IT'S PERMANENTLY CLOSED. FOUNDED IN 1999, THE MAJOR'S GOLF CLUB WAS DESIGNED BY THE LEGENDARY ARNOLD PALMER, THE FIRST IN THE MODERN AREA TO BE BOTH A PGA TOURNAMENT PLAYER AND A GOLF COURSE ARCHITECT.

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THE MAJORS IS ALSO FORGIVING ENOUGH TO BE ENJOYABLE FOR PLAYERS OF ALL SKILL LEVELS.

THIS OUTSTANDING PALMER LAYOUT FEATURES WIDE OPEN FAIRWAYS, ROLLING HILLS, WASTE BUNKERS AND CHAMPIONS WHARF, BERMUDA GRASS GREENS, THE PUTTING SURFACE OF 12 PGA TOUR VENUES, INCLUDING PINEHURST NUMBER TWO IN A NATIVE FLORIDA SETTING. SO AGAIN, I JUST I CAN'T STRESS ENOUGH IT'S A CROWN JEWEL.

IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I MOVED HERE.

I LIVE ON THE FIRST GREEN, BUT IT IS A FANTASTIC COURSE.

AND I THINK CROWN JEWEL OF PALM BAY AND PALM BAY WOULD BE A BETTER, GREATER CITY TO RETAIN IT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

DAVEY HERSELF, FOLLOWED BY EILEEN SIPP.

GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL MAYOR.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

MY NAME IS JAIME HERTZEL.

I DON'T KNOW IF I SHOULD SAY MY ADDRESS.

I'M AT 1037 CONNECT ROAD IN THE GREATEST CITY, PALM BAY.

I'M HERE BECAUSE I'M AN APPLICANT FOR THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ADVISORY BOARD.

SO I FIGURED A RATHER THAN JUST GIVE YOU AN APPLICATION, I SHOULD AT LEAST COME AND SAY HELLO.

RIGHT. I'VE NEVER APPLIED FOR SOMETHING FOR PEOPLE I'VE NEVER MET.

SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ABOUT MYSELF.

SO I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF PALM BAY FOR ABOUT SEVEN YEARS, SMARTLY MOVED HERE FROM MELBOURNE AFTER I HAD BEEN THERE FOR A FEW YEARS.

BUT I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN OHIO.

MY FAMILY, MY TWO SONS AND MY HUSBAND WE LIVE IN, WE LOVE PALM BAY KNOW I REALLY WANT TO GET INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY.

I'VE BEEN A LEADER IN MY BUSINESS, IN MY PERSONAL LIFE.

YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN WITH THE SAME COMPANY 16 YEARS.

I'M A LOYAL, DEDICATED KIND OF PERSON THAT REALLY IS THERE FOR THE CAUSE.

AND I'VE REALLY GROWN TO LOVE PALM BAY AND ESPECIALLY MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND I JUST I WANT TO BE A PART OF MAKING A CHANGE AND HELPING IMPACT THIS WONDERFUL TOWN.

SO THANKS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER, BUT HOPEFULLY I WILL SEE A LOT MORE OF YOU.

SO THANKS SO MUCH.

THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SERVE OUR CITY.

ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU.

EILEEN SEPP, FOLLOWED BY ALVARO DE LA FUENTE.

HI, MY NAME IS EILEEN CEP.

I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF PALM BAY FOR OVER 31 YEARS.

SUZANNE, I THINK, KNOWS ME.

SHE'S SPOKEN TO ME A FEW TIMES.

I'M HERE BECAUSE OF CHRONIC FLOODING ON MY STREET.

THEY FINALLY FIXED THE SEWER LINE THAT'S BEEN CRACKED.

THEY TOLD ME IN NOVEMBER OF 2017 AND EVERY YEAR IT WAS MANANA, MANANA.

WHEN IS IT GOING TO GET FIXED? THEY FINALLY FIXED IT.

BUT I STILL HAVE FLOODING.

EVEN BEFORE HURRICANE IAN.

I HAD WATER HALFWAY UP MY LAWN.

SOMETIMES IT COMPLETELY SURROUNDS MY HOUSE.

I'M AT THE LOWEST POINT ON FRIEL ROAD, WHICH IS JUST ONE BLOCK IN.

FROM BABCOCK.

THE MAIN SEWER FOR, I THINK, THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT SEEMS LIKE THAT DRAINS IN FRONT OF MY PROPERTY ON ONE SIDE AND THEN THERE'S A SANITATION THING THERE, WHATEVER, WHATEVER WINDS UP ON THE STREETS AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD WINDS UP ON MY LAWN.

WHEN HURRICANE IAN CAME, I HAD THREE FEET OF WATER.

I COULDN'T GET OUT OF THE HOUSE.

I TOOK PICTURES AFTER ABOUT 4 HOURS AND IT WAS MAYBE SIX FEET AWAY FROM MY DOOR.

WATER WAS COMING IN MY HOUSE AND MY GARAGE.

I WAS TOLD TO LET THEM KNOW IF ANY OF THE WATER WAS GOING INTO THE CREEK BEHIND ME.

MOSS AND PEOPLE ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME.

IT WAS DRY.

THERE'S NOTHING BUT TREES AND BRUSH IN THERE.

AND THERE'S A SINKHOLE THAT'S THAT I'VE BEEN COMPLAINING ABOUT FOR FIVE YEARS.

OK RIGHT SURROUNDING THE SEWER DRAIN.

I WAS TOLD THAT THAT WAS IMPOSSIBLE.

BUT WHEN THEY PUT THE NEW PIPE IN, THEY SAID, SHE'S RIGHT, IT'S A SINKHOLE.

I BELIEVE WHAT'S CONTRIBUTING TO THAT IS THE BRUSH THAT'S IN THE CREEK.

IT'S RAISED THE GROUND LEVEL SO HIGH THAT WHEN THE WATER GOES IN, IT BACKS UP.

OKAY. AND ALSO CONTRIBUTING TO THAT IS THIS GIGANTIC OAK TREE THAT I HAVE ON MY PROPERTY.

IT'S I MEAN, THE BRANCHES ARE ACROSS THE ROAD PRACTICALLY.

I HAVE TO KEEP CUTTING THEM, BUT I REALLY NEED THIS ADDRESSED BECAUSE I CAN'T GET OUT OF MY HOUSE SOMETIMES.

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THEY FILL IT IN WITH ROCKS AND GRAVEL AND PATCH IT UP EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE.

BUT SOMEBODY'S GOING TO RIDE A BICYCLE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT AND THEY'RE GOING TO GET HURT REALLY BAD.

SO I'M HOPING SOMEONE WILL DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

I KNOW. THANK YOU, MA'AM.

MADAM CHAIRMAN, I KNOW THAT WE SPOKE BRIEFLY.

THANK YOU, MARY. YES, SOME OF YOU I'M AWARE OF SOME OF THE ISSUES FROM BEFORE THAT WE WERE WORKING ON AFTER THE HURRICANE.

THERE ARE, I THINK, EIGHT OR NINE SPOTS IN THE CITY THAT HAD SOME SIGNIFICANT FLOODING ISSUES THAT WE'RE WORKING ON.

AND YOUR AREA IS ONE OF THEM.

SO WE'LL BE WORKING THROUGH SOME SOLUTIONS.

I DON'T HAVE THEM NOW, BUT I'LL DEFINITELY KEEP YOU UPDATED.

I HAVE YOUR CONTACT INFO AND WE'LL LOOK INTO THE NEWER THINGS THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT I WASN'T AWARE OF, LIKE THE SINKHOLE.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. APPRECIATE YOU COMING BY, ALVARO.

SORRY, SIR. DE LA FUENTE, FOLLOWED BY ANTON EVANS.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR.

CITY COUNCIL STAFF.

MY NAME IS ALVARO DE LA PUENTE, AND I LIVE IN 2030 WHEN BROOK DRIVE SOUTHEAST.

FIRST AND FOREMOST, I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU ALL AND RECOGNIZE FOR ADDRESSING SOME OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS LAST MEETING.

AND TODAY, INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING THANK YOU, YOU'VE ACTUALLY TAKEN ACTION ON PLENTY OF THEM.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT.

MOVING FORWARD, I HOPE YOU CONTINUE THAT.

SO ONTO MY TOPIC FOR TODAY.

I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE SERIOUS SAFETY CONCERN THAT AFFECTS SEVERAL OF NOT THOUSANDS OF RESIDENTS IN PALM BAY.

LIKE MANY OF US, I LIVE IN PALM BAY, BUT I COMMUTE TO MELBOURNE FOR MY DAY JOB AND LIKE MANY OF US, I TAKE I-95 TO GET OFF ON MALABAR ROAD.

THE SITUATION WE HAVE ON THE SOUTHBOUND MALABAR ROAD EXIT, AS EVERYONE HERE SHOULD KNOW BY NOW, IS A CRITICAL NEED OF ATTENTION.

ON A DAILY BASIS, I FIND MYSELF SITTING IN THE RIGHT LANE ON 95, NOT MOVING WHILE I HAVE A FREIGHT TRUCK MOVING 80 MILES AN HOUR WITHIN THREE FEET FROM ME ON A DAILY ON A WEEKLY BASIS, I SEE A NEAR MISS OR ACTUALLY WITNESS A REAR END ACCIDENT AS A RESULT OF DRIVERS HAVING TO SUDDENLY STOP AND MOVE TO EITHER THE EMERGENCY LANE OR THE LEFT LANE TO AVOID A COLLISION.

AND JUST YESTERDAY, I WITNESSED TWO REAR END COLLISIONS ON MY WAY BACK FROM WORK.

AND ALSO JUST LAST WEEK, AS A MATTER OF FACT, TO THIS HOUR, A CITIZEN WAS DRIVING BACK HOME AND SHE WAS UNFORTUNATELY KILLED WHEN SHE TRIED TO AVOID A COLLISION, HIT THE CAR IN FRONT OF HER, AND SHE WAS T-BONED BY A TRUCK AND HER CAR CAUGHT ON FIRE.

SO I REALIZED THAT THIS IS AN INTERSTATE HIGHWAY AND THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE JURISDICTION.

BUT I'M HERE AS A CITIZEN ASKING THE CITY WHAT CAN BE DONE AND HOW THE CITY COUNTY CAN COORDINATE WITH STATE AUTHORITIES AND FDOT TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE.

THIS EXIT EITHER NEEDS TO BE SIGNIFICANTLY EXPANDED NORTHBOUND OR THE RIGHT TURN LANES NEED TO BE INTEGRATED INTO MALABAR ROAD, JUST LIKE WE DO ON PALM BAY ROAD GOING NORTHBOUND.

WE CAN'T CONTINUE TO PUSH THIS UNDER THE RUG AND HOPE THAT IT WILL GET BETTER, ESPECIALLY WITH ALL THE EXPANSION GOING SOUTH, EAST AND SOUTHWEST PALM BAY.

MORE AND MORE PEOPLE THAT WORK IN THE MELBOURNE AREA COMING INTO PALM BAY TO LIVE.

SO I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENTION AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING BACK FROM YOU ON THIS.

THANK YOU. WELL, THANK YOU.

AND. AND YOU JUST TO RESPOND TO THAT, YOU'RE SPOT ON.

AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT AS YOUR MAYOR, I'VE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH GEORGINA GILLETTE, WHO IS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE SPACE COAST TRANSPORTATION PLANNING.

AND SO THE EFFORT IS MAKING SOME UPGRADES ALONG THE I-95 CORRIDOR.

AND WE'RE ACTUALLY WORKING THIS ISSUE AS WE SPEAK.

WE DID HAVE A LOSS OF LIFE HERE RECENTLY, AND THIS IS A VERY SIGNIFICANT AND A SERIOUS ISSUE.

SO I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU BEING ENGAGED AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO PROVIDE UPDATES.

MADAM CHAIRMAN, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD.

NO, BUT WELL, I WOULD ACTUALLY SAY THAT I THINK PART OF THE CHALLENGE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE PURSUING IS WE NEED TO APPLY ADDITIONAL PRESSURE TO THE STATE TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO CONVINCE THEM TO PRIORITIZE OUR REPAIRS.

BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, THE LAST I HEARD IS THEY'RE STILL JUST IN STUDY OR DESIGN MODE, LIKE FOR THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR.

SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO GET THEM SOME DATA.

MAYBE I WAS GOING TO CONSIDER TALKING TO COUNSEL ABOUT WRITING SOME LETTERS, YOU KNOW, AND GETTING SOME ADDITIONAL EYES ON THIS AND APPLYING PRESSURE BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO GET THEM TO MOVE IT UP ON THEIR LIST.

WE COULD DEFINITELY DO THAT.

AND THEN MY COLLEAGUES AND I, WE SIT ON THE TPO, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE PLAN ON TO PURSUE MORE AGGRESSIVELY, AS OUR CITY MANAGER SAID.

BUT MOREOVER, SINCE WE HAVE THAT DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW, I'D LIKE TO GET COUNSEL'S CONSENSUS TO LET'S FIRE OFF SOME LETTERS AND MAKE THIS

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AND WE'LL I'LL SIGN THAT AS SOON AS YOU GET IT ON MY DESK, MA'AM.

YES, SIR. THANK YOU.

HELLO. GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

I GOT THE SAME SITUATION WITH THE KIDS, BUT IT WAS AWFUL THIS WEEKEND.

OH, I WAS CUTTING THE GRASS AGAIN BECAUSE I'M JUST TRYING TO LEARN WHAT I CAN DO AND WHAT I CAN'T DO.

IF I HAVE TO GO DOOR TO DOOR TO GET A PETITION, I'LL DO IT.

BUT MY NEIGHBOR TRIED TO HIT ME WITH A VEHICLE.

FORTUNATELY FOR ME, THE NEXT PERSON HAD A CAMERA, SO THEY CAUGHT HIM TRYING TO HIT ME WITH THE VEHICLE BECAUSE I WAS CUTTING THE GRASS ACROSS THE EMPTY LOTS.

I HAD A TERRIBLE WEEKEND BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT I COULD DO AND WHAT I CAN DO.

SO THE OFFICER CAME OUT AND SHE SAID, YOU GOT TO GO TO PUBLIC WORKS, WHICH I DID.

AND THEY CUT THE GRASS, I THINK ABOUT EVERY MONTH, EVERY OTHER MONTH.

BUT ALL THE RAIN, THE GRASS IS GROWING.

THOSE KIDS AT BAY, I SAID THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WALK ON THAT GRASS.

SHE SAID, WELL, I EXPECTED THE GRASS TO BE THIS HIGH.

I SAID, BUT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND.

YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND.

THOSE KIDS WILL NOT WALK ON THAT GRASS IF IT'S THIS HIGH.

SO ALL I'M ASKING, DO I HAVE TO GO DOOR TO DOOR TO GET A PETITION? TELL ME WHAT I CAN DO BECAUSE I CAN'T CUT THE GRASS ANYMORE.

AND BUT THE GOOD THING ABOUT IT, LIKE I SAID, THE FIRST THING SHE ASKED ME IS YOUR WORD AGAINST HIS.

I SAID, GO NEXT DOOR.

I'M UPGRADING MY RING SYSTEM SO MY RING DOESN'T WORK.

BUT THE FELLA HAS A DIFFERENT SYSTEM HE CALLED IT.

SHE THEY PLAYED IT FOR HER.

IT'S A FEMALE OFFICER.

AND I'M SO GLAD BECAUSE THE FIRST THING SHE ASKED ME IS YOUR WORD AGAINST HIS.

SO ONCE HE SAW THE VIDEO, SHE HAD A CHANGE OF ATTITUDE.

AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT ELSE I CAN DO NOW THAT I CAN'T CUT THE GRASS.

I HAVE TO. SO I WENT TO PUBLIC WORK.

THEY TOLD ME TO GO AND I LEFT, WENT BACK TO CITY HALL AND I WENT TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

AND THEN THEY SAID, YOU HAVE TO TALK TO THE DISPATCHER, WHICH I DID.

I SAID, JUST LET HER KNOW I DID WHAT SHE TOLD ME TO DO AND THE MATTER TO LET HER KNOW THAT I DID FOLLOW ORDERS.

AND SHE KNOWS BY ME LEAVING A MESSAGE WITH THE DISPATCHER.

SO IF YOU IF I HAVE TO GO DOOR TO DOOR TO GET A PETITION, THEY NEED A SIDEWALK.

THOSE KIDS NEED A SIDEWALK.

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ON BOTH SIDES, BUT THEY NEED A SIDEWALK.

SOMEBODY IS GOING TO GET HURT.

SOMEBODY IS GOING TO GET HURT.

AND I'M TRYING TO AFTER THE FACT, IT'S ALWAYS AFTER THE FACT.

THEN YOU'RE GOING TO PUT THE YELLOW LIGHT AND YOU'RE GOING TO PUT THE BUMPS OR WHATEVER.

IF YOU CAN JUST PLEASE TELL ME WHAT I CAN DO AND WHAT I CAN'T DO.

THAT'S WHY I COME HERE SO I CAN I'M GOING TO CONTINUE TO EXCEL.

I'M GOING TO FOLLOW ORDERS.

I'M A VETERAN AND I KNOW HOW TO FOLLOW ORDERS, SIR.

SO TELL ME WHAT I CAN DO BESIDES CUTTING THE GRASS.

BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.

YES, SIR. WHENEVER YOU'RE DONE, I'M DONE.

YES, SIR. SO WITH THAT VIDEO.

YES. FURTHER INVESTIGATION ON THE.

YES, SHE SHE DID A WONDERFUL JOB.

OKAY. IT WAS SATURDAY, BUT SINCE THEN, MY WHOLE WEEKEND WAS MESSED UP.

BUT AND THE THE PERSON THAT ATTEMPTED TO TAKE YOU WITH THEIR VEHICLE, WERE THEY WHAT WHAT OCCURRED WITH THAT? ALL I KNOW IS THAT THAT'S MY NEIGHBOR.

HE DIDN'T LIKE THE IDEA THAT I WAS CUTTING THE GRASS IN FRONT OF HIS HIS HOUSE.

BUT THESE ARE EMPTY.

THESE ARE EMPTY.

LOT. THE LOTS IS THE BIG EMPTY LOTS.

A VACANT LOT. YEAH.

AND I DIDN'T KNOW THAT I COULDN'T CUT THE GRASS, SO HE TRIED TO BACK OUT AND HIT ME WITH HIS VEHICLE.

THEN AFTER THAT, HE TURNED THE VEHICLE AROUND AND CAME AT ME.

SO I TRIED TO EXPLAIN TO HER AND SHE SAID, OKAY.

ONCE SHE GOT THAT VIDEO AND SAW IT, SHE SAID, OKAY, I UNDERSTAND.

SO YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT? NO, NO, NOT YET.

NO. SO I JUST WANT THE PANEL TO KNOW THAT I'M NOT GIVING UP AND I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE UP.

COPY THAT, MADAM SHERMAN.

YOU KNOW. HOW CAN WE HOW CAN WE ADD A PETTWAY? THAT'S THE FIRST THING. I DON'T KNOW THE COST OF IT.

BUT EVEN MOREOVER, HOW CAN ANYONE SAY TO THIS GENTLEMAN OUT OF HIS FREE WILL THAT HE WANTS TO? I HAVE NEIGHBORS THAT CUT RIGHT ALONG MY VACANT LOT.

RIGHT. AND I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.

IT'S NOT AN ISSUE TYPICALLY.

SO LET ME IF YOU ALLOW ME, I'M GOING TO GET SOME MORE INFORMATION FROM THIS GENTLEMAN.

I THINK I HAVE HIS CONTACT INFORMATION IN THE COMMENT CARD.

LET ME GET A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION.

I WILL CALL YOU AND WE'LL TALK THROUGH THIS AND THEN WE'LL COME UP WITH.

I PRAY.

I PRAY. I PRAY BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, I'VE SEEN THIS HAPPEN BEFORE.

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THEY ARE. THAT'S OUR FUTURE.

WE ALL GET OLD, WE ALL DIE, AND THEY'RE GOING TO STEP UP TO THE PLATE.

I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, SIR.

I APPRECIATE YOU, SIR. THANK YOU FOR TAKING THAT INITIATIVE.

THAT'S ALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

SO RIGHT NOW, BEFORE PUBLIC HEARINGS, COUNCIL VOTED TO MOVE ITEM NEW BUSINESS ITEM NUMBER TWO.

UM. OR DO YOU HAVE A COMMON CAR FOR AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA? I THINK SO, YEAH. OKAY.

SO WE HAVEN'T THIS WAS JUST GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WILL BE COMING UP.

YEAH, THERE'S. ARE YOU MR. TOM? YEAH, TOM.

OKAY. NOT YET. I'LL LET YOU KNOW, SIR.

THANK GOD. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. SO WE ARE ON ITEM NUMBER TWO UNDER NEW BUSINESS CONSIDERATION OF A CO-SPONSORSHIP.

[NEW BUSINESS (Part 1 of 2)]

SO TO START OFF WITH, THIS IS AN EVENT THAT HAS HAPPENED MANY YEARS IN THE CITY.

AS I SAID, IT'S THE 14TH ANNUAL.

THE EVENT DOES, BASED ON OUR POLICY, QUALIFY FOR CO SPONSORSHIP.

THE ORGANIZER IS A 501 C3 AND THE EVENT DOES CONTINUE TO ADVANCE THE CITY'S COMMITMENT TO ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE AND WELL-BEING OF THE RESIDENTS IN THE COMMUNITY.

PER OUR POLICY.

THIS IS ONE OF THE THIS IS ONE OF THE LARGEST EVENTS THAT WE ACTUALLY CO-SPONSOR IN THE CITY, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT ATTRACTS 10000 TO 15000 PEOPLE A YEAR.

THE ORGANIZERS ACTUALLY DONATE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY TOWARD THE THE EVENT, AND I'M SURE THEY'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT WHEN THEY COME UP A LITTLE BIT.

SO THE SUMMARY OF THIS ITEM FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT IS WE WE HAVE TABULATED THE VALUE OF THE CO SPONSORSHIP BECAUSE OF THE STAFF TIME AND THE WAIVER OF FEES AND THINGS THAT GO INTO THIS.

THIS YEAR'S VALUE IS $10,203.54.

I WILL ALSO NOTE THAT PART OF THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF BECAUSE OF THE ANNUAL INCREASES IN COSTS OF OF STAFFING ALL OF THE CO SPONSORSHIP EVENTS, NOT JUST THIS ONE.

OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT COUNCIL CONSIDER AN INCREASE TO THE MAXIMUM CO SPONSORSHIP VALUE PER EVENT GOING FORWARD.

SO IT WAS 10,000 WE ESTABLISHED LAST YEAR, I RECOMMENDED 15,000, BUT WHICH IS LIKE YOUR CONSIDERATION FOR THAT AS WELL AS PART OF THIS ITEM AND I'LL DEFER TO ANY QUESTIONS COUNCIL MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON, BILL BATTEN.

KNOW THAT IN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST, A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY WHEN THE CITY WAS IN SEVERE FINANCIAL STRAITS. HARD TIMES.

ONE OF THE THINGS THE CITY CONSIDERED DOING WAS DOING AWAY WITH CO-SPONSORSHIP JUST BECAUSE OF THE COST THAT IT WAS COSTING THE CITY.

WE WERE HAVING TO LAY OFF PERSONNEL, PUT THEM ON FURLOUGHS.

AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE DISCUSSED WHICH TRYING TO KEEP THE BUDGET IN CHECK WAS DOING AWAY WITH CO SPONSORSHIPS.

SO IT DOES HAPPEN.

IT HAS HAPPENED. LET'S DON'T LET HISTORY REPEAT ITSELF.

SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ON THAT ONE.

AND IT WAS BECAUSE OF A BUDGET CONSTRAINT THAT WE HAD TO MAKE THAT DECISION BECAUSE WE'RE CO-SPONSORING EVERY TIME WE TURNED AROUND, SOMEBODY WAS GETTING CO-SPONSORED.

THAT IS NOT YOUR MONEY THAT YOU'RE BEING CHARITABLE WITH.

IT'S MY MONEY YOU'RE BEING CHARITABLE WITH.

IT'S THE TAXPAYER'S MONEY THAT YOU'RE BEING CHARITABLE WITH.

CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME AND IT COMES FROM THE INDIVIDUAL POCKETBOOK, NOT FROM THE GOVERNMENT.

NUMBER TWO, BECAUSE OF SPONSORSHIPS, WE ENDED UP HAVING LAWSUITS BECAUSE OF SPONSORSHIPS, WE ENDED UP WITH LAWSUITS.

I SAID THAT TWICE BECAUSE IT CAME BACK TWICE.

LET'S FOCUS IN ON ONE MORE THING THE FUTURE.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE IS LEADING AS IS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THIS.

WE DO KNOW WHAT THE COST OF LIVING IS.

WE DO KNOW THAT THE COST OF POLICE AND FIRE HAS GONE UP, WHICH DOES MEAN YOU HAVE TO INCREASE THE TAXES IN ORDER TO BUILD THAT BUDGET BACK TO PAY FOR IT.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT THESE FUNCTIONS AREN'T WARRANTED.

WHAT I AM SAYING IS SPONSORSHIP FOR THE EYE.

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THAT'S WHAT BOTHERS ME THE MOST.

THE FUNCTIONS ARE GREAT THAT THE CHARITABLE ORGANIZATION THAT WANTS TO HAVE IT LET THEM FUND IT.

STOP ASKING THE TAXPAYERS ME TO BE CHARITABLE WITH TO MAKE YOU FEEL GOOD.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER PUBLIC SPEAKERS, MADAM SHERMAN.

BUT MOST OF THIS IS IN-KIND SERVICES.

CAN YOU BREAK THAT DOWN? YES, CERTAINLY.

THE LET ME GET TO MY SECTION HERE.

OF THE $10,203.54, $5,550 IS IN-KIND WAIVERS OF FEES THAT WOULD OTHERWISE HAVE BEEN CHARGED, RENTALS OF GREEN, GREEN SPACE, THE STAGE BLEACHERS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO GREEN SPACE, EXACTLY THE SPACE THAT EXISTS CURRENTLY.

AND THEY'RE GOING TO USE IT.

YES. SO NORMALLY FOR OTHER EVENTS THAT ARE NOT CO-SPONSORED, ANYONE THAT'S GOING TO USE A GREEN SPACE OR A BUILDING OR A FACILITY OR ANY OF OUR EQUIPMENT WOULD HAVE A FEE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. SO THE FEE WAIVERS ARE VALUED AT $5,550 AND THEN THE IN-KIND WAGES.

SO THE COSTS OF STAFF WHO WILL BE THERE THE DAY OF THE EVENT FOR FOR SETUP, ETC.

WOULD BE $4,653.54.

AND THEY HAVE.

VOLUNTEERS TO HELP PROMOTE AND DO ALL OF THAT AS WELL.

ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE EXTRAVAGANZA? I APOLOGIZE. YES, SIR.

SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS AND I'M SURE THE TEAM CAN SPEAK TO IT, BUT THEY HAVE MY UNDERSTANDING IS OVER 300 VOLUNTEERS WHO WORK THE EVENTS.

I KNOW THAT THEY GATHER LOTS OF GIFTS THAT THEY GIVE AWAY TO THE COMMUNITY FOR FREE, VALUED AT OVER LIKE $25,000.

THEY MAY BE ABLE TO SPEAK MORE ELOQUENTLY ABOUT THE VALUE OF ALL THAT THEY CONTRIBUTE TO THE EVENT.

IT'S GOOD THAT THEY'RE HERE.

SO THE FIRST THING I WANT TO SAY IS I'VE OVERSEEN THIS EVENT FOR 14 YEARS AS AN ORDAINED MINISTER AT THE CHURCH.

I'VE OVERSEEN THIS WHERE THERE'S A HUGE COST, WHERE DIFFERENT CHURCHES COME TOGETHER TO PROVIDE THIS EVENT FOR THE CITY.

AND YOU'RE RIGHT, THE ATTENDANCE HAS EXCEEDED 10,000, 10,000.

AND MOREOVER, THE CHILDREN OF OUR CITY, OF OUR COMMUNITY COUNCIL TRULY BENEFITS FROM IT.

BUT I AM BECAUSE I'M AN ORDAINED MINISTER AND I DO REPRESENT, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S NO FINANCIAL COMPENSATION, I'M GOING TO ABSTAIN FROM THIS BECAUSE IT'S IT'S JUST THE APPEARANCE THAT IT COULD APPEAR WRONG.

RIGHT. SO I WANTED OUR CITY ATTORNEY, IF YOU WOULD, MA'AM.

WHY? I'M ABSTAINING BECAUSE I TAKE MY MY DUTIES VERY SERIOUSLY ON THIS DIOCESE.

AND I ALSO REPRESENT IN MY EYES, OUR MOST HIGH GOD.

AND SO, MA'AM, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND JUST STATING WHY I'M ABSTAINING.

YES, MAYOR, AS MANY KNOW, YOU FREQUENTLY DISCUSSED PUBLICLY AND WITH ME, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE DISCUSS A LOT, SHARE YOUR DESIRE TO REALLY UPHOLD THE HIGHEST ETHICAL STANDARDS.

SO YOU CAME TO ME JUST DISCUSS THE APPROPRIATENESS OF YOU VOTING AS FAR AS EXCO SPONSORSHIP FOR THE HOUSE CHURCH OF PALM BAY.

AND TYPICALLY, WHEN I HAVE THESE ISSUES COME UP FROM COUNCIL, I'LL DO MY OWN RESEARCH.

AND I ALSO HAVE AN ATTORNEY AT THE COMMISSION ON ETHICS.

I'M ONE I DON'T LIKE TO CALL YOU UP AND JUST ASK YOU FOR THE ANSWER WHERE I HAVEN'T EVEN TRIED MYSELF.

SO I DID THE RESEARCH.

I CALLED HIM AS WELL AND EXPLAINED THAT THE MAYOR HAS A.

HE'S AN UNPAID CLERGY POSITION FOR THE CHURCH.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS NO BENEFIT TO THE MAYOR, BUT THERE IS SECTION TWO, 86.01 12 THAT DISCUSSES IF THERE IS OR APPEARS TO BE A POSSIBLE CONFLICT IN A NAME, A NUMBER OF STATUTES, ONE OF WHICH IS 112 THREE, 11.

BUT RISE IN SHORT, THAT IF THERE IS TO BE ANY INTEREST, FINANCIAL OR OTHERWISE DIRECT OR INDIRECT, ENGAGE IN ANY BUSINESS TRANSACTION OR PROFESSIONAL ACTIVITY, OR COVER ANY OBLIGATION OF ANY NATURE IN WHICH A SUBSTANTIAL CONFLICT WITH THE PROPERTY DISCHARGE OF HIS OR DUTIES IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST, THAT THERE THAT THAT MEMBER SHALL COMPLY WITH THE DISCLOSURE REQUIREMENTS.

SECTION 112 3143 AND ABSTAIN.

AND AFTER DISCUSSING WHAT THE OPINION WITH THE COMMISSION ON ETHICS, THE ADDITIONAL RESEARCH, I DID SPEAK WITH THE MAYOR AND CERTAINLY OUT OF AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION AND PURSUANT TO THAT LEGAL ADVICE, THE MAYOR DECIDED TO ABSTAIN LAST YEAR AND CONTINUE ON BECAUSE HIS POSITION AS FAR AS THE HOUSE

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THANK YOU, MA'AM. I APPRECIATE THAT.

SO, COUNSEL, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? YES. YES, MA'AM, I HAVE A QUESTION.

SO WE SET.

OKAY. YOU'RE RIGHT, SIR.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT, NOW I'M COUGHING.

ALL RIGHT, SO WE HAVE THE 50,000 CAP THAT WE'VE HAD IN PLACE.

HOW HAVE WE IN THE PREVIOUS FISCAL YEAR, DID WE UTILIZE ALL OF IT OR JUST HOW MUCH OF IT DO WE UTILIZE? NO, SIR. THE THE TABULATION I FORGET THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT WE WERE SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 24 OR 27,000 THAT WE USED IN TOTAL.

OF THE 50,000 FOR LAST FISCAL YEAR.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND THEN FOR THE TOTAL, IT'S IN THE AGENDA.

THE TOTAL LABOR COSTS, THE $3,126.46.

CORRECT. I'M ACTUALLY FOR THE DAY OF EVENTS, THE TOTAL IS $4,653.54.

OR SAY IT AGAIN.

$4,653.54. SO THOSE ARE THE DOLLARS THAT WILL HAVE TO COME OUT OF THAT.

THAT'S ACTUAL THAT'S THE ACTUAL STAFF TIME SPENT THE DAY OF THE EVENT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

THAT'S ALL. I MADE YOUR COUNCILMAN FELIX.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. YOU MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION OR THE.

THE APPLICANT MAY, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, I KNOW A LITTLE HISTORY OF THIS EVENT.

DON'T THE APPLICANT TICK USUALLY HISTORY? BRING BACK A GIFT, A MONETARY GIFT TO THE CITY OR DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT.

I HAVE A RECORD OF THAT.

YES, SIR. LAST YEAR, IF I BELIEVE I'M CORRECT THAT THEY THEY BROUGHT US $3,000 AND IT WAS $1,000 FOR EACH OF THE THREE DEPARTMENTS THAT WERE PRIMARILY INVOLVED TO REIMBURSE THE CITY FOR SOME OF THOSE COSTS.

TO ME, THAT THAT THAT THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR EVENT BECAUSE HERE IS AN APPLICANT THAT ASKING FOR CO-SPONSORSHIP.

AT THE END.

WHEN THEY LOOKED AT WHAT'S LEFT OVER IN GOOD FAITH, THEY COME BACK TO THE CITY AND GIFTED THE CITY OR DIFFERENT APARTMENT.

AS FAR AS THIS IS THE EXTRA WE GOT HERE, THREE GRAND.

TO ME, THIS IS A VERY WORTHY ASK.

I DON'T NEED TO ADD MORE.

YOU'RE ALREADY AWARE OF MY POSITION IS ON THAT.

I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING WE, THIS BOARD NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.

THESE ARE GREAT PARTNERSHIP.

AGAIN, AS MAYOR OFTEN SAID AND I.

I CERTAINLY AGREE WITH THAT.

YOU CANNOT PUT A PRICE TAG.

THESE ARE THINGS THAT AS A CITY TALKING ABOUT QUALITY OF LIFE, YOU CANNOT PUT A PRICE TAG ON AN EVENT LIKE THIS THEN THAT THAT REALLY INCREASED THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF OUR CITY. THERE'S NO PRICE TAG.

YOU CAN PUT THAT. AND THIS IS A GREAT PARTNERSHIP ORGANIZATION THAT ARE WILLING TO RETURN, SAY, HEY, YOU HELPED US.

HERE'S WHAT WE HAVE LEFT OVER.

WE'RE WILLING TO CONTRIBUTE FINANCIALLY TOWARDS WHAT YOU GIVE BACK TO US.

SO I'M CERTAINLY IN SUPPORT OF THIS.

COUNCILMAN FOSTER. THANK YOU.

COUNCILMAN FELIX. YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER WHEN IT WAS AT MAX ROSE PARK.

AND I WANT TO ASK THE MAYOR THIS NOT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT WHEN IT WAS AT MAXWELL PARK.

COMPARED TO THAT CROWD THAT SHOWED UP.

IS IT BIGGER IN PALM BAY THAN MAXWELL PARK? THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION.

ONE OF THE ONE OF THE REASONS WE WE DECIDED TO COME TO PALM BAY WAS BECAUSE WE OUTGREW MEXICO, MAX ROSE PARK.

AND WHAT WE REALIZED WAS THE MAJORITY OF THE RESIDENTS THAT WERE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE FAMILY CHRISTMAS EXTRAVAGANZA WERE PALM BEARS. NOW WE HAVE FOLKS COME IN FROM FROM ALL OVER PALM BAY.

AND AS YOU KNOW, OUR POPULATION HAS INCREASED.

SO I THINK EVENTUALLY THEY'LL COME A TIME THAT WILL OUTGROW RED POPPY REGIONAL PARK, IF THAT IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT.

BUT YES, SIR, WE DID.

WE DID. WE HAVE A LARGER AUDIENCE TODAY THAN WHAT WE DID AND JUST A FEW SHORT YEARS AGO.

AND THAT SHOWS THE GREAT WORK YOUR CHURCH AND PUTTING TOGETHER THIS EVENT.

DID WEST MELBOURNE OFFER ANY CO-SPONSORSHIP? YOU KNOW, THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION.

I THANK GOD I'VE BEEN OVERSEEING THIS FOR FOUR YEARS.

RIGHT. IT WAS NEVER THE CITY OF WEST MELBOURNE, IT WAS ALWAYS BREVARD COUNTY.

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AND SO WE WE PARTNERED WITH THE COUNTY AND AT THAT PARTICULAR JUNCTURE, WE EVEN HAD THE SHERIFF FLY IN HIS HELICOPTER.

SO THERE WAS ALWAYS THE HISTORY OF CO PARTNERSHIP.

WE HAD DEPUTIES BECAUSE THERE WAS NO IT WAS A COUNTY PARK, SO THE DEPUTIES WOULD COME IN AS LAW ENFORCEMENT INSTEAD.

NOW THAT WE'RE A CITY PARK, WE HAVE OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT HERE.

AND AND SO IT WAS JURISDICTIONAL.

I'M SURE WEST MELBOURNE WOULD HAVE WANTED TO PARTICIPATE, BUT IT WAS ALL COUNTY EMPLOYEES OR COUNTY LAW ENFORCEMENT AT THAT POINT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

SORRY, MA'AM. THAT'S ALL I.

ANY ANY COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO, ANY COMMENTS? THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO OBVIOUSLY, I THINK WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT HERE THAT THAT CHRISTMAS EXTRAVAGANZA IS AN INCREDIBLE EVENT TO DO.

I WENT THERE LAST YEAR AND I FELT THERE WAS ABOUT 15,000 PEOPLE THERE LAST YEAR.

A LOT OF SMILING FACES.

BUT I DID WANT TO MENTION THE MOTION HERE.

THIS IS A STACK RECOMMENDATION.

SO WE HAVE ONE THING ABOUT THE CO-SPONSORSHIP AND THEN ONE THING ABOUT INCREASING THE THE PERMANENT MAXIMUM FROM 10000 TO 15000.

SO WHERE MY PREDICAMENT IS, IS THAT I AGREE WITH ONE THING, BUT I DISAGREE WITH THE OTHER THING.

SO IF WE CAN SPLIT THE MOTION, THAT'S WHAT I INTEND TO DO NOW.

SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CO-SPONSORSHIP WITH THE HOUSE CHURCH OF PALM BAY FOR THE 14TH ANNUAL CHRISTMAS EXTRAVAGANZA TOTALING $10,203 OR $0.54.

SECOND. I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON.

COUNCILMAN ALBERTO, YOU WANTED TO ADD.

YOU MADE THE MOTION. ANYTHING TO THAT? NO, JUST A CHRISTMAS EXTRAVAGANZA IS AN INCREDIBLE EVENT, AND I'M HAPPY THAT THE CITY IS ABLE TO SPONSOR IT.

THANK YOU. DEPUTY MAYOR HUGHES SECONDED THE MOTION.

MY. MY QUESTION.

I SECOND IT BECAUSE. SO WE CAN HAVE SOME DIALOG BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER TO THE TO DO KIND OF GO HAND IN HAND BECAUSE THE MAXIMUM IS 10,000.

SO I WOULD JUST WANTED CLARITY IF WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AS, AS THIS OR UM WELL I WOULD JUST SAY IN ALL LET'S SEE IF A CITY ATTORNEY WANTS TO ADD MORE.

BUT YOUR, YOUR POLICY DOES STATE A MAXIMUM OF 10,000 PER CO-SPONSORSHIP.

SO I DON'T KNOW, PATRICIA WOULD GIVE YOU ADVICE ON HOW WE COULD DEAL WITH THAT WITHOUT DEALING WITH THE CURRENT POLICY.

AND THE MOTION SAID $10,203.54.

WAS THAT YOUR MOTION? THAT WAS MY MOTION. SO HE EXCEEDED THAT.

SO I'M JUST WONDERING.

I JUST CONFER WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY SINCE IT'S NOT A FORMAL RESOLUTION.

THE POLICY WAS JUST ADOPTED AS AN AGENDA ITEM BY BY CITY COUNCIL SO YOU COULD VOTE TO EXCEED THAT FOR THIS ITEM WITHOUT CHANGING THE POLICY PARAMETERS. OKAY.

I HAD, I HAD COUNCILMAN FELIX AND THEN COUNCILMAN.

SO THAT WANTED TO COMMENT.

I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHERE COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO IS COMING FROM, BUT THE CHALLENGE IS ONCE WE DO THAT, WE BREAK OUR OWN RULES.

WE WE MAKING WE, WE'RE SETTING A NEW PRECEDENT.

WHAT ABOUT WHEN THE NEXT ORGANIZATION EXCEED THE 10,000, OR ARE WE GOING TO DO THE SAME CONSIDERATION? SO I THINK AS PRESENTED, WE SHOULD LOOK AT IT.

IF WE'RE NOT AGREEING ON IF WE CAN'T AGREE ON 15,000, I'M FINE, BUT WE OUGHT TO VOTE.

KEEP IT AS IT IS.

MAKE IT LOOK. LOOK A NUMBER, MAYBE 12,000.

I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE BEST WAY TO ADDRESS THIS.

THAT WAY, WE WE DON'T HAVE ONE THE NEXT ORGANIZATION COME UP.

WE DON'T HAVE THE SAME DIALOG.

WE SAID SET THE RECORD, FIX THE ORDINANCE, FIX THE LANGUAGE, THEN THEN GO FROM THERE.

THAT WOULD STILL BE NOTED.

THANKS. COUNCILMAN.

FELIX. COUNCILMAN. FOSTER.

YOU KNOW, I. THAT'S WHY I ASKED THEM QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THE COUNTY DID.

WEST MELBOURNE.

THE COUNTY WAS ALL IN.

HE WAS THERE. THE COUNTRY WAS ALL IN BECAUSE THIS SORT OF VALUE OF THIS.

I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO PLAY WITH OUR POLICY.

IF THE STAFF RECOMMEND TO GO TO 15, I THINK WE NEED TO GO TO 15.

EVERYTHING'S GOING UP.

AND THE VALUE THAT THESE CO-SPONSORS BRING TO THE CITY IS OUTSTANDING.

THE THE RIPPLE EFFECT OF THE PEOPLE COMING INTO PALM BAY, SPENDING MONEY INTO PALM BAY, ESPECIALLY THE EXTRAVAGANZA.

IT'S CHRISTMAS AND IT'S IT COULD MEAN SO MUCH, YOU KNOW, DURING CHRISTMAS TIME YOU HAVE THE MOST SUICIDAL

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THAT'S KIND OF CRAZY. DURING THE JESUS CELEBRATION OF LIFE, PEOPLE WANT TO TAKE THEIR LIFE BECAUSE OF CHRISTMAS, THE MEANING OF CHRISTMAS.

I JUST THINK WE SHOULD FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND RECOMMENDATION.

THEY MADE THAT FOR A REASON.

15,000 EXTRAVAGANZAS.

EVER SINCE I'VE BEEN COMING TO THIS CHAMBER, THEY'VE BEEN BRINGING BACK MONEY.

THAT'S TO SAY YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND 15,000, BUT YOU NORMALLY BRING BACK MONEY.

SO AND YOU SET THE BAR, YOU SET THE STANDARDS FOR THESE CO-SPONSORSHIP AND AND I BELIEVE OTHER CO-SPONSORSHIP WILL DO THE SAME.

YES, WE CAME OUT WITH A POLICY ABOUT THIS BEFORE I CAME ON COUNCIL.

I DON'T THINK IT WAS A POLICY.

RIGHT? DEPUTY MAYOR? IT WASN'T A POLICY.

IT WAS. SPEND, AS YOU WILL.

NOW WE HAVE A POLICY, WE HAVE GUIDELINES.

WE HAVE A AMOUNT THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO ABOVE THE VALUE THAT THESE ORGANIZATIONS, ESPECIALLY THIS EXTRAVAGANZA, BRINGS TO THE CITY, IS JUST AMAZING.

IT PUTS PALM BAY ON THE MAP AND IT MAKES THE RESIDENTS PROUD TO HAVE THAT.

I BET YOU THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY PROBABLY WANT IT BACK, BUT THEY'RE NOT GETTING IT BACK.

AS LONG AS WE CONTINUE TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

SO I'M FOR.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO WAS TRYING TO DO, BUT I'M FOR STICKING WITH AS IS AS WHAT? STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

RIGHT NOW, I'VE GOT.

I'M GOING TO PULL MY SECOND BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM.

THAT'S THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY I ASKED THE CITY ATTORNEY, BECAUSE I FELT LIKE IT WAS CONTRADICTORY, BUT I WASN'T SURE.

SO I PUT MY SECOND.

SO RIGHT NOW I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS ITEM.

BUT AT $10,203.54.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? I NEED A SECOND.

SECOND. I GOT A MOTION.

WHO APPROVED THIS AT 10,203.

IT DOESN'T IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE POLICY.

IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE INCREASE.

WELL, I STILL HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO.

ARE YOU GOING TO SECOND THAT MOTION HE JUST WENT TO FOLLOW? OKAY, SO I STILL HAVE A MOTION.

MARY, IF I MAY CLARIFY.

CAN WE DO TWO MOTIONS, THOUGH? ONE MOTION FOR THE EXTRAVAGANZA AND ONE MOTION FOR THE INCREASE? THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M TRYING TO GET AT.

IF THAT'S OKAY WITH STAFF AND WITH.

THAT'S A QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY.

YOU CAN, BUT IT WOULD BE PREFERENTIAL IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO TWO TO DO THE ONE WITH THE INCREASE FIRST AND THEN DO THE ONE, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE EXTRAVAGANZA IS GOING TO BE OVER THE CURRENT.

SO VOTE FOR WHATEVER YOU WANT THE INCREASE TO BE AND THEN VOTE FOR THE EXTRAVAGANZA.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO JUST TALK ABOUT THE INCREASE THEN.

IF WE DO INCREASE IT TO 15 GRAND, WE'RE GOING FROM THE TEN GRAND.

WE'RE GOING TO GO FROM A POSSIBLE FIVE EVENTS TO THREE.

SO THAT'S KIND OF MY CONCERN WITH THE INCREASE.

BUT I DO WANT THE CHRISTMAS EXTRAVAGANZA TO HAPPEN, OBVIOUSLY.

SO IF WE CAN WORK THOSE NUMBERS OUT HERE ON THE DICE, I'M COOL WITH IT.

A COUNCIL DISCUSSION.

ACCORDING THE INCREASE, I WAS THINKING THAT 15,000 WAS TOO MUCH.

I WAS THINKING MORE OF 12,500.

BUT YEAH, LIKE, LET'S FIND SOMETHING 12,500 I CAN SUPPORT AS WELL.

SO I COULD USE THAT AS A MOTION.

AND I, YOU KNOW, AND I'M NOT VOTING EITHER WAY.

BUT WHAT I WANT YOU GUYS TO UNDERSTAND SOMETHING IS IT'S NOT APPLES AND APPLES HERE.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO EVENT LIKE THIS THIS EVENT.

AND I APPRECIATE YOU SHARING THAT, BECAUSE FOR US TO SAY, OKAY, WE CAN ONLY DO FOUR EVENTS.

I'D LOVE FOR THIS FOR THIS CITY TO HAVE FOUR CO SPONSORSHIPS THAT BRING WHAT THEY EXTRAVAGANZA.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I'LL TAKE WHATEVER MOTION TO INCREASE THE RATE.

SO ACTUALLY WE CAN DO IN ONE MOTION TO AMEND THE CO-SPONSORSHIP POLICY TO INCREASE THE INDIVIDUAL SPONSORSHIP PER EVENT MAXIMUM FROM 10000 TO 12500 AND APPROVE A CO-SPONSORSHIP WITH THE HOUSE CHURCH OF PALM BAY FOR THE 14TH ANNUAL FAMILY CHRISTMAS EXTRAVAGANZA TOTALING $10,203.54 SECOND.

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IT'S THAT GOOD. MADAM ATTORNEY.

THAT GOOD. WITH THAT, I GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO.

ALL IN FAVOR. AND HE OPPOSE PASSES FOR ZERO.

ALL RIGHT. SO CONGRATULATIONS.

FAMILY CHRISTMAS EXTRAVAGANZA TEAM.

YOU GOT THE CLEARANCE FROM.

FROM THIS COUNCIL FOR THE 14TH ANNUAL.

THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO ON BEHALF OF ALL OUR CITIZENS, ALL OUR RESIDENTS.

THANK YOU. NOW WE'RE ON PUBLIC HEARINGS.

[PUBLIC HEARINGS ]

THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK MADAM SHERMAN.

THANK YOU, SIR. THIS IS THE FINAL HEARING FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH GRAPEFRUIT CUBA LLC PERTAINING TO THE SMALL HOBBY FARM.

COUNCIL WILL RECALL THIS IS AN ITEM THAT IS A CLEAN UP FROM A HISTORICALLY APPROVED DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, AND WE'RE JUST GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS TO AFFECT THE PUBLIC HEARINGS SO THAT THIS CAN BE COMPLETED BEFORE STATUTES.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF COUNCIL.

IT'S ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM.

SEEING NONE ON CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING ASKING FOR A MOTION SO MOVED.

SECOND GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN FELIX.

ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION, GENTLEMEN? SEEING NONE ALL IN FAVOR.

ANY OPPOSE PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

ITEM NUMBER TWO. WITNESS 2022 115 AN AUDIENCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TITLE 17 LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, CHAPTER 185 ZONING CODE SUBCHAPTER DISTRICT REGULATIONS MODIFYING PROVISIONS RELATED TO RETAIL, AUTOMOTIVE, GAS AND FUEL SALES PROVIDED FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT.

HEREWITH, PROVIDING FOR INCLUSION IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY CODE OF ORDINANCES PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

WHEN TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT THEIR CASE.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS.

WE ARE HERE TONIGHT FOR THE FINAL READING FOR THE CODE TEXT CHANGE THAT WE ARE REQUESTING.

I BRING ATTENTION TO THE STAFF REPORT.

THAT STAFF DOES SUPPORT THIS AND THAT THE.

I'M GOING TO READ THE ANALYSIS.

CONCLUSION SECTION.

THE PROPOSED TEXTUAL AMENDMENT WOULD BETTER EXPRESS THE INTENT OF THE CITY'S COMP PLAN RELATING TO GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT OF THOSE INTERSECTIONS THAT ALREADY HAVE THE CHARACTER AND MEET THE CRITERIA OF THE ARTERIAL ROADWAYS.

BUT AS ALWAYS, HAVE NOT BEEN, BUT AS ALWAYS TO DATE, HAVE NOT BEEN OFFICIALLY CLASSIFIED AS SUCH.

SO WE WORK CLOSELY WITH STAFF OVER SEVERAL MONTHS, AND IF THE COUNCIL WILL SUPPORT THIS TONIGHT, WE WILL HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU UNDER THE REGULATION FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO ADDRESS ALL THE INDIVIDUAL CONCERNS ON THE PROPERTY.

BUT WE DO FEEL THAT THIS DOES BENEFIT THE DEVELOPMENT AND HELP CLARIFY AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE CODE THAT ALLOWS THESE TYPE OF USES TO CONTINUE TO GO FORWARD. Q ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? COUNSEL THANK YOU, SIR.

ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF COUNCIL.

THE ONLY ONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM.

SEEING NONE I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASKING FOR A MOTION SO MOVED.

BUT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON WAS SECOND FOR DISCUSSION.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO.

DEPUTY MAYOR. I DON'T THINK THERE'S MUCH TO ADD.

THAT APPLICANT HAS BEEN FORTHCOMING FROM THE BEGINNING.

STAFF STAFF'S BEEN WITH IT.

I THINK IT'S A GOOD PROJECT.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO.

THANK YOU. I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF, SO READING IT TO THE TEXT WILL CHANGE, WHICH STRIVE TO ENSURE TRAFFIC FLOW IS ABLE TO FLOW WITH CONTROLLED ENTRANCES AND SIGNALED INTERSECTIONS. SO MY QUESTION TO STAFF IS, IF WE HAVE A GAS STATION LINE BACK TO BACK AND AS AN EXAMPLE, PORT MALABAR BOULEVARD, THERE'S A MARATHON RIGHT NEXT TO A BP.

HOW WOULD TWO TRAFFIC SIGNALS 90 FEET FROM EACH OTHER IMPROVE TRAFFIC FLOW? AND SHERMAN. I'LL ASK OUR ASSISTANT MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR, JESSE ANDERSON, TO COME UP AND SPEAK TO THAT.

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UNDERSTOOD. YES, SIR. CAN YOU REPEAT THAT ONE MORE TIME FOR ME? I'M SORRY. SO IF WE HAVE GAS STATIONS LINED UP BACK TO BACK, AN EXAMPLE IS MY BOULEVARD WHERE I HAVE A BP AND MARATHON GAS STATION AND THEN A BP GAS STATION.

HOW WOULD A TRAPPED TWO TRAFFIC SIGNALS 90 FEET FROM EACH OTHER STILL IMPROVE TRAFFIC FLOW? THIS ISN'T TO.

ARE YOU ASKING IF IT'S GOING TO ADD SIGNALS? I'M SORRY. YES.

ARE WE ON FOR THE GAS STATION AMENDMENT? GAS STATION IS AN ATTACK SIGNALS IT'S ALLOWING FOR GAS STATIONS TO LOCATE NEAR SIGNALS.

SO LOOK IN YOUR SIGNAL.

SO IF A GAS STATION WANTED TO LOCATE.

NOT BY A SIGNAL WHAT WOULD HAPPEN.

THERE ARE OTHER PARAMETERS SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THE INTENSITY OF THE ROADWAY WHERE THEY CAN LOCATE, BUT THIS IS TO ALLOW FOR BASICALLY THIS IS ALLOWING FOR THE GAS STATION DESERTS THAT WE DO HAVE THROUGHOUT THE CITY IN CERTAIN AREAS TO BE REDUCED BY ALLOWING FOR MORE FLUIDITY BEHIND WHERE THESE CAN GO RATHER THAN LIMITING THEM, LOSING THEM SO MUCH TO THE HIGHER LEVEL CLASSIFICATIONS OF ROADWAYS.

SO ORIGINALLY, THE ROADWAY CLASSIFICATION THAT WAS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS WAS DICTATING SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF ONLY REALLY IN THE HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.

THIS NOW CAN ALLEVIATE THAT RESTRICTION THAT WILL ALLOW IT TO POTENTIALLY ALLEVIATE SOME OF THOSE DESERTS AND RANDOM SPOTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY BY HAVING THEM AT INTERSECTIONS RATHER THAN SAYING THE INTERSECTION PLUS A HIGHER LEVEL ROADWAY SUCH AS AN ARTERIAL OR COLLECTOR ROADWAY.

SO THIS CAN HAPPEN ON A LOCAL ROADWAY WITH AND IT SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION IF THAT HAPPENS.

SO IT CAN HAPPEN AT A LOCAL ROADWAY WITH A SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION.

SO IF I WANT TO ADD A THIRD GAS STATION ON PORT MELVILLE BOULEVARD, THAT THIRD GAS THAT CAN ONLY BE ADDED IF I PUT A SIGNAL THERE, NOT ONLY IF IT'S THERE, BUT IT COULD BE ADDED SOMEWHERE ELSE POTENTIALLY FROM THAT OTHER PARAMETERS AS WELL.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, DR.

J. SO RIGHT NOW I'VE GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO.

ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION, GENTLEMEN? ALL IN FAVOR.

SIGNAL BY SAYING I ANY OPPOSE NAY PASSES 4 TO 1.

MS.. SMITH. YES, MAYOR, THE FOLLOWING ITEMS ARE QUASI JUDICIAL IN NATURE PUBLIC HEARINGS, AGENDA ITEMS, NUMBERS THREE, SIX AND SEVEN.

ANY PERSON WHO WISHES TO TESTIFY ON SUCH A MATTER ASSIGN A SPEAKER CARD WHICH CONTAINS A SWORN OATH TO TELL THE TRUTH.

ANY INDIVIDUAL ADDRESSING THE COUNCIL MUST SAY HIS OR HER NAME AND CONFIRM THAT A SPEAKER CARD HAS BEEN SIGNED.

ATTORNEYS WHO ARE APPEARING ON BEHALF OF A PARTY AND NOT PROVIDING TESTIMONIAL EVIDENCE ARE NOT CONSIDERED WITNESSES AND NEED NOT BE SWORN COUNSEL TO DISCLOSE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION BY DISCLOSING THE SUBJECT MATTER OF THE COMMUNICATION AND THE IDENTITY OF THE PERSON, GROUP OR ENTITY WITH WHOM THE COMMUNICATION TOOK PLACE.

THE ORDER OF THIS PROCEEDING WILL BE AS FOLLOWS.

FIRST, THE APPLICANT WILL MAKE HIS PRESENTATION, FOLLOWED BY STAFF COMMENTS, FOLLOWED BY ANY AGGRIEVED OR ADVERSELY AFFECTED PARTY AS COMPLY WITH SECTION 59.03.

EACH WILL HAVE A MAXIMUM OF 30 MINUTES.

ANY SPEAKER MAY BE SUBJECT TO CROSS-EXAMINATION BY THE COUNSEL OR ANY OTHER INTERESTED PARTY FOR MAXIMUM OF 15 MINUTES.

ANY OTHER PERSON MAY SPEAK FOR A MAXIMUM OF 3 MINUTES.

THE APPLICANT WILL THEN BE ALLOWED CONCLUDING REMARKS FOR A MAXIMUM OF 10 MINUTES.

QUASI JUDICIAL BODY MAY MODIFY THE TIME LIMITS ON ITS OWN MOTION OR UPON REQUEST OF A PARTY TO THE PROCEEDING.

THE HEARING WILL THEN BE CLOSED AND NO ADDITIONAL TESTIMONY OR ARGUMENT WILL BE ALLOWED.

COUNSEL WILL THEN DELIBERATE IN PUBLIC AT THE END OF DELIBERATION.

COUNCIL MEMBER WILL MAKE A MOTION ON THE APPLICATION TO BRING THE MATTER TO A VOTE.

EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER IS THEN FREE TO VOTE IN FAVOR OR AGAINST THE MOTION.

RESOLUTION 2022.

THAT'S 59, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, BRANT NORTH, A DIGITAL USE WHERE A SELF STORAGE FACILITY IN H.

C IOWA COMMERCIAL DISTRICT ZONING AS PROPERTY IS LOCATED E SEVEN ADJACENT TO BABCOCK STREET AND VICINITY WEST OF HARDIN LANE AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED HEREIN. GRANTED, THE USE IS A CONDITIONAL USE PROVIDED FOR CONSTRUCTION TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SITE PLAN, PROVIDING FOR A COMMENCEMENT PERIOD PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HERE AND ASK THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT THEIR CASE.

GOOD EVENING. KELLY HAVEN, INLAND DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIES 355 SPOONBILL LANE, MELBOURNE BEACH.

AND I'M JOINED HERE BY ANDY BURBACH, WHO IS THE CIVIL ENGINEER FOR THIS PROJECT.

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THIS WOULD BE A THREE STOREY BUILDING AT APPROXIMATELY 105,000 SQUARE FEET.

THIS IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

THIS REQUEST MEETS THE GENERAL REQUIREMENTS AND CONDITIONS AS LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT, WHICH INCLUDE INGRESS, EGRESS, PARKING, UTILITIES, BUFFERING, SIGNAGE, LIGHTING AND COMPATIBILITY WITH THE SURROUNDING USES.

WE SENT OUT 219 INVITATIONS TO A COMMUNITY MEETING WHICH WAS HELD ON SEPTEMBER 28TH AT 6 P.M..

WE DID NOT RECEIVE ONE FORM OF CORRESPONDENCE, NOR DID WE HAVE ANYONE AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING, SO WE GOT TO HANG OUT FOR A HALF HOUR TOGETHER.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AND WE'RE HERE TO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE AND ALSO ANY QUESTIONS.

UM. JUST A COMMENT.

SO THANK YOU FOR SUBMITTING THE SITE PLAN.

I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM ABOUT THE STORM.

WATER SWIMMERS CAN BE IN THE REAR OF THE FACILITY.

THANK YOU. SO THANK YOU FOR THE SITE PLAN.

AND THANK YOU FOR DOING THE COMMUNITY MEETING.

ABSOLUTELY. YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING.

I'M LOOKING AT THE ILLUSTRATION.

CAN YOU SHOW THE ILLUSTRATION, MR. ROBINSON, ON THIS ITEM? OH, NO, YOU CAN'T DO IT.

I DO HAVE PAPER COPIES IF YOU NEED IT.

NO, I JUST WANTED TO SHOW THE COMMUNITY WHAT WHAT IT LOOK LIKE.

LIKE THIS ONE? YEAH.

OR THIS ONE LOOKS REALLY NICE.

SO IS IT.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME OUTDOOR THEY LOOK LIKE.

GARAGES IS? IS THAT WHAT THEY ARE? THEY'RE ALL.

IT'S ALL INDOOR, EVERYTHING.

THAT'S CORRECT. SO LIKE THE BOTTOM DECK THERE, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S JUST IT'S LIKE JUST A FINISH JUST TO LOOK THAT WAY. BUT YEAH, EVERYTHING'S INDOOR.

IT'S NOT WHAT I WAS LOOKING.

YEAH. NO, NOT ROLL UP DOORS.

NO. OKAY. OKAY.

WELL, I APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE IT APPEARED LIKE LIFT GATES.

NO, THEY'RE NOT. ANY.

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? THANK YOU. EVERY MAYOR, ANY PUBLIC SPEAKER CAN'T.

YOU HAVE A CARD TO SPEAK? OKAY, SO COME ON UP.

STATE YOUR NAME AND AN ADDRESS, AND THEN I WANT YOU TO FILL OUT A CARD.

ABSOLUTELY. NO PROBLEM. SO, JAMIE HARRIS, 1037 CONNECT ROAD AND LANE IS IN WALKING DISTANCE FROM MY HOUSE.

I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THE RESIDENTS THERE, WHO ALL OWN ALMOST HORSE FARMS ACREAGE, WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE HAPPY ABOUT A BIG, LARGE BUILDING RIGHT BEHIND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THIS IS NEWS TO ME AND I'M GLAD THAT I'M HERE AND EXACTLY WHY I WANT TO GET INVOLVED BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ONE OF THE OLDEST NEIGHBORHOODS IN PALM BAY.

AND WE'VE HAD PEOPLE THAT HAVE LIVED THERE FOR GENERATIONS, AND WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP IT A SMALL LITTLE SUBURB, FARM ISH KIND OF COMMUNITY, LIKE WE CAN HAVE IT AND THAT'S RIGHT IN OUR BACKYARD. SO DEFINITELY WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE CITY COUNCIL TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.

SO THIS IS ON BABCOCK STREET AND WHERE, YES, IF YOU SEE HART AND LANE RIGHT BEHIND THAT AND YOU WANT TO COME SHOW US, GO TO THE SCREEN.

JUST. HE'S GOING TO GIVE YOU A POINTER.

WE'LL COME TO THE MIC, MA'AM.

NOW, YOU COULD COME TO THE MIC AND SPEAK.

OH. OH, WOW.

TRY TO SPEAK IT IN THE MIC.

SO THIS PRIVATE ROAD RIGHT HERE, HARDIN LANE, IT'S PRETTY MUCH A GRAVEL DRIVEWAY AND IT'S LIKE A IT'S A SMALL ROAD.

MAYBE THERE MIGHT BE US AGAIN.

THERE'S SOME THINGS ON IT, RIGHT? WHAT I'M SAYING IS THIS IS A VERY BIG NEIGHBORHOOD OF AGRICULTURE.

WE HAVE FARMS, WE HAVE GOATS AND HORSES, AND SO SOMETHING LIKE A THREE STORY BUILDING JUST ALONG OUR SITE.

AND IN ONE PLACE OF A CORNER THAT WE CALL OUR LITTLE SLICE OF PARADISE IS CERTAINLY NOT SOMETHING THAT I KNOW MY NEIGHBORHOOD ISN'T GOING TO WANT IN OUR BACKYARD.

AND THAT'S. WELL.

OKAY, SO. SO.

RIGHT HERE. HARDIN LANE.

YEAH, MY STREET CONNECTS TO HERE, SO THAT'S LIKE MY KIDS BUS STOP RIGHT THERE.

AND I JUST KNOW THAT THE MORE WE HEAR, THE MORE WE BUILD UP TALL BUILDINGS WITH NOISY PEOPLE IN AND OUT RIGHT IN OUR BACKYARD.

IT'S JUST IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE HAPPY ABOUT IT.

SO YOU DIDN'T GET A NOTICE? I GOT NOTHING.

NO. OKAY. AND I'M I MEAN, I WALK THAT STREET ALMOST EVERY DAY.

CONNECT ROAD. CONNECT ROAD ACTUALLY GOES FROM PALM BAY ROAD TO WALMART.

SO IT'S A BIG CUT THROUGH FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE.

SO I KNOW THAT IN ORDER TO ACCESS THAT, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE SWINGING THROUGH OUR ROAD TO TRY TO DO THAT RIGHT HAND TURN AND MISS THE TRAFFIC.

SO DEFINITELY GLAD I CAME TONIGHT.

SO I APPRECIATE BEING INFORMED AND WISH I HAD KNOWN SOONER.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. IT'D BE GREAT IF YOU GUYS COMMUNICATED RIGHT.

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HER CONCERNS ARE, I GUESS, THE PROXIMITY OF OF WHERE THIS IS LOCATED, WHERE SHE'S LOCATED.

SURE. AND TO ADDRESS THAT, IF SHE DIDN'T RECEIVE A NOTICE, IT'S EITHER BECAUSE SHE'S OUTSIDE OF THE 500 FEET NOTIFICATION LIST THAT WE SENT OR A LOT OF THE TIMES PEOPLE WHO HAVE REMOVED THEIR ADDRESSES FROM PUBLIC RECORDS, SOMETIMES LAW ENFORCEMENT JUDGES, THEY DON'T GET ANY NOTICES AND WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER THAT.

BUT IT COULD BE THAT SHE'S FURTHER THAN 500 FEET.

IS THE LIKELIHOOD AND A BUFFER OR EXCUSE ME, TALKING ABOUT IS THERE ANY KIND OF BUFFER BETWEEN WHERE WHERE SHE'S TALKING AND.

LIKE IN TERMS OF SETBACKS.

DID. DID YOU NOT? ISN'T THERE A STORM WATER BEHIND THERE? I THOUGHT. SO WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO HAVE THERE'S GOING TO BE A FENCE THERE WHICH IS REQUIRED BY CODE IS GOING TO BE A RETENTION AREA.

THEN THE BUILDING, EVERYTHING IS DONE INSIDE THE BUILDING.

SO THERE'S NOTHING ON THE OUTSIDE, NO NOISE, NO NOTHING.

SO FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, WE'RE OVER 50 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE BUILDING.

SO IF WE'RE IN THE REAR, WHAT KIND OF FENCE? IT'S A RIGHT NOW IT JUST HAS TO BE OPAQUE.

SO, I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY IT COULD BE A PVC FENCE OR A WOODEN FENCE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND THEN LANDSCAPING, THERE'S A LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET, WHICH IS IT'S LIKE HEAVILY LANDSCAPED ALL ON THAT SIDE.

I'VE SEEN OTHER OTHER PROJECTS COME AND I THINK THE THE MOST RECENT THEY THEY BUILD A CONCRETE FENCE, I THINK EIGHT FEET TALL TO PREVENT THAT NOISE ASPECT.

THIS, THIS IS ALL INDOORS SO THERE'S NO NOISE THERE'S NO NOISE FROM THE FACILITY.

AND ADDITIONALLY, I WANTED TO ADD THAT THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE LOWEST TRAFFIC GENERATORS OF ANY TYPE OF COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL YOU COULD POSSIBLY HAVE.

SO THE NUMBER OF TRIPS WE EXPECT FOR THIS A DAY IS VERY MINIMAL.

PEOPLE, PEOPLE AREN'T FREQUENTLY ACCESSING THEIR STORAGE UNITS.

COPY THAT. THANK YOU.

WELCOME. AND YES, I CAN GET YOU THE IMAGES AND I'LL GET YOU MY CONTACT INFORMATION.

IF WE COULD COMMUNICATE WITH OUR.

IT'S ABOUT BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR.

ABSOLUTELY. YEP.

IT'S ABOUT BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. SO, MA'AM, DID YOU FILL OUT A SPEAKER CAR? I NEED YOU TO. WE NEED TO PUT YOU ON RECORD.

OKAY. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

YES. I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW I DID CHECK TO SEE WHERE HER PROPERTY IS COMPARED TO THE THE LOCATION.

LOOKS LIKE SHE'S APPROXIMATELY 1800 FEET AWAY.

OKAY. SHE SAYS THE CROW FLIES.

JUST DOING A ROUGH A ROUGH LINE.

SO. SO THAT'S.

THAT'S WHY SHE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN A NOTICE OR ORDINANCE.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. OKAY.

ALSO, WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE? SO MOVE. I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND COUNSEL.

WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE? SO MOVED. SECOND, GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON.

SENATOR BY COUNCILMAN FELIX.

ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION, GENTLEMEN? MAYOR. YES.

YEAH. SO JUST LOOKING AT THE STORAGE FACILITIES WITHIN A TWO MILE RADIUS, SOME SAY, OF THE PROPOSED SITE ON BABCOCK, WE HAVE U-HAUL PUBLIC STORAGE AND PALM BAY, WHERE WE HAVE LIVE STORAGE FORMAT OF OUR VENUE STORAGE AND CURRENTLY ONE BEING BUILT ON CLAREMONT.

I ACTUALLY CALLED THESE STORAGE FACILITIES AND THE ONE THAT HAD THE LEAST AMOUNT OF CAPACITY AND THE AVERAGE WAS LIVE STORAGE AND IT HAD FIVE UNITS AVAILABLE.

SO I WAS SKEPTICAL ON THIS.

BUT WHEN THEY SAY THEY NEED STORAGE, I KIND OF WAS LIKE, YEAH, EVERYONE KIND OF SAYS THAT.

BUT THEN WHEN I ACTUALLY CALLED AND DID SOME RESEARCH, THESE STORAGE FACILITIES ARE FULL, SO IT IS THE LEAST IMPACTFUL OF ALL COMMERCIAL.

SO I'M OKAY WITH THIS.

AND ALSO JUST TO ADD THE IMPACT FEES GENERATED FOR POLICE AND FIRE, NAMELY FIRE STATION NUMBER SEVEN, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.

SO THANK YOU, MAYOR.

NO, THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO IN IT IS A BUSINESS AND I MY FIRST INCLINATION WAS, WOW, WE GOT ALL THESE STORAGE FACILITIES OPEN UP, OPENING UP.

BUT APPARENTLY IT'S A VERY PROFITABLE BUSINESS, AS I DID OF, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH AS WELL.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S LESS IMPACT.

THERE'S NOT THAT MUCH OVERHEAD BECAUSE MY MY ONLY WISH WOULD HAVE BEEN THEY WERE WOULD BE ABLE TO EMPLOY ADDITIONAL MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY.

RIGHT. BUT IT DOESN'T TAKE MUCH TO TO RUN THIS TYPE OF FACILITY.

BUT THANK YOU.

I GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN FELIX.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, GENTLEMEN? SEEING NONE ALL IN FAVOR.

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ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

WELL AS YOU WERE.

WE'RE GOING RIGHT TO SIX.

YES, SIR. ORDINANCE 2022.

THAT'S 117.

AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, APPROVED A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO BE KNOWN AS MALABAR SPRINGS IN PWD PLANNING UNIT DEVELOPMENT.

ZONING. WHICH PROPERTY IS LOCATED NORTH OF AND ADJACENT AND MALABAR ROAD IN THE VICINITY WEST OF ST GILES HERITAGE PARKWAY AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED HEREIN.

PROVIDED FOR A COMMENCEMENT PERIOD.

PROVIDED FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT THEIR CASE.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. COUNCIL ON A SAUNDERS WITH VSC CONSULTANTS.

THE PROJECT MAY LOOK FAMILIAR.

JUST SEVERAL. JUST A SHORT FEW MONTHS AGO, WE WERE IN FRONT OF YOU FOR THE SAME PROJECT TO GET APPROVAL FOR THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS WRITTEN IN THE STAFF REPORT.

IT'S APPROXIMATE OR IT'S 885 UNITS OVER APPROXIMATELY 295 ACRES.

IT'S A COMBINATION OF TOWNHOME, VILLA, 40, 50 AND 60 FOOT WIDE PRODUCTS.

SO A NICE MIX OF PRODUCT, A LARGE CLUBHOUSE AMENITY CENTER POOL, CLUBHOUSE, COMMON MAIL FACILITY AND SO ON.

WE ARE LOCATED AT THE TAIL END OF MALABAR ROAD, SO THE WEST END THERE JUST PAST THE HIGH SCHOOL TO KIND OF ORIENT FOLKS ON WHERE WE'RE AT.

WE ARE RIGHT AT THREE UNITS AN ACRE, SO A LOW, A LOW DENSITY.

AND I JUST WOULD LIKE TO RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL.

AND IF YOU'VE GOT ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE.

SO AS AS YOU KNOW, THE LAST TIME YOU CAME, MY CONCERN WAS JUST THE ACCESSIBILITY OF IT, RIGHT? SURE. AND ONE OF MY CONCERNS ARE THERE'S ANOTHER PROJECT WHICH WE CONTINUED FOUR AND FIVE THAT'S JUST NORTH OF THERE.

AND THE ACCESS TO IT, PUBLIC SAFETY WISE, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, FROM FROM A HIGH LEVEL PERSPECTIVE, AS I LOOK DOWN AND I LOOK DOWN RANGE TEN YEARS WHEN ALL THESE HOMES ARE OUT THERE.

SURE, THERE'S NOT MUCH ACCESS.

EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE GOING TOWARDS MALABAR ROAD.

WE HAVE THE HIGH SCHOOL THERE.

AND AND I WAS HOPING THAT WE COULD DO SOME OTHER ACCESS POINT OR THAT PROJECT COUPLED WITH AND I UNDERSTAND THAT DIFFERENT TO LANDOWNERS.

SURE. BUT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I LIKE TO SEE THAT COLLABORATION IN THAT WHILE I'M AT IT, I'LL, I'LL EVEN MENTION THIS LIKE MASTERPLANS IN VIEIRA, THE WAY THEY'RE DOING IT.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT'S JUST ONE PROPERTY OWNER, RIGHT WHERE THEY THEY'VE GOT PLACES OF WORSHIP AND THEY BUT THAT LOOKS SO GOOD WHEN IT'S EVERYONE WORKING TOGETHER.

THAT CAN BE A VISION THERE.

SO WHAT I'D LOVE TO SEE IS ANOTHER ACCESS POINT, PERHAPS IN COLLABORATION WITH YOUR PROPERTY WITH A YOU REPRESENT BOTH FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND I DO AND COLLABORATION WITH BOTH THOSE ENTITIES TO WORK TOGETHER TO KIND OF WORK SOMETHING OUT.

NOW I DO REALIZE THAT ST JOHN'S IS PART OF THAT TOO, RIGHT NOW.

VERN TILLMAN OR MILBURN? TILLMAN IT'D BE BOTH, BUT NOT UNTIL THEN, PRIMARILY BECAUSE IT'D BE THEIR CANAL.

SO AS YOU SAID, THERE'S THERE'S SEVERAL CHALLENGES WITH TRYING TO DO AN INTERCONNECTION TO THE NORTH.

CROSSING THE MELBOURNE TILLMAN CANAL WOULD BE NO SMALL FEAT.

I'M NOT SURE THAT MELBOURNE TILLMAN WOULD PERMIT US TO PUT A DRIVEWAY CONNECTION THROUGH THAT CANAL.

THEY DO TRY AND LIMIT THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION.

NOW, I'M NOT I'M NOT GOING TO REPRESENT THAT.

I'VE SPOKEN WITH MELBOURNE TILLMAN ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE.

I HAVE NOT YET DONE SO, BUT IT'S BEEN OUR EXPERIENCE THAT CROSSING THAT CANAL IS SOMETHING THAT THEY DO TRY AND LIMIT.

IT IS ONE OF THEIR MAIN DRAINAGE THOROUGHFARES.

IN ADDITION, IF THEY DID ALLOW US TO DO IT, THE COST TO DO SO WOULD BE EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE.

SO THERE'S A FINANCIAL IMPLICATION TO IT AS WELL.

AND I'M NOT TRYING TO COMPARE, YOU KNOW, VEHICULAR ACCESS AND PUBLIC SAFETY TO COST.

PLEASE DON'T TAKE IT IN THAT WAY.

THERE'S THERE'S A COUPLE MORE CHALLENGES WITH THAT.

AGAIN, IT IS A DIFFERENT SET OF DEVELOPERS.

THE PROJECT TO THE NORTH IS GATED.

IT'S A DIFFERENT USE. THERE'S A COMBINATION OF ACTIVE ADULT LIFESTYLE PLANNED FOR THAT AREA.

IF IF IT'S COUNCIL'S WILL TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD AND APPROVE THAT PROJECT IN THE FUTURE.

SO IT'D BE THERE'D BE SOME, I GUESS, CONFLICT, IF YOU WILL, BETWEEN THE ACTIVE ADULT AND THEN ACTUALLY MAKING A CONNECTION TO A SINGLE FAMILY STYLE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD BOAST CHILDREN AND YOUNG FAMILIES.

WHAT WE TRIED TO DO TO MITIGATE THAT EXPERIENCE OR THAT THAT ISSUE IS WE DID WE DID PUT IN TWO DRIVEWAY ACCESS POINTS TO MALABAR ROAD.

BOTH OF THOSE ACCESS CONNECTIONS ARE WIDER THAN YOUR STANDARD 50 FOOT WIDE RIGHT AWAY.

THEY'RE 80 FEET WIDE.

I THINK THEY'RE ANYWHERE FROM 150 TO 140 FEET IN LENGTH, MEANING WE CAN PUT IN WE CAN HAVE MULTIPLE CARS COME THROUGH THOSE INTERSECTIONS AND GET AROUND OUT INTO MALABAR

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IN ADDITION, THE MULTIFAMILY POD THAT'S LOCATED IN THE SOUTH EAST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY, THERE'S AN INTERCONNECTION TO THE MAIN SINGLE FAMILY DRIVEWAY ACCESS POINT.

SO AGAIN, IF SOMETHING UNFORTUNATELY HAPPENS AT ONE OF THOSE INTERSECTIONS, WE DO HAVE AN INTERNAL BYPASS ROUTE TO GET US AROUND THERE.

WHAT I WOULD TELL YOU IN THE CATACLYSMIC EVENT THAT SOMETHING HAPPENS AT MALABAR ROAD AND IT'S NOT A MAJOR CONSTRUCTION, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION WORKS AROUND IT.

WE WOULD BUILD A BYPASS IF YOU WERE GOING TO BE DOING SOME MAJOR ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS AT THE INTERSECTION OF MALABAR AND THE PARKWAY IF THERE WAS SOME CATACLYSM.

COSMIC EVENT THAT OCCURRED.

AND SOMEHOW THAT DEVELOPMENT WAS, I WOULD SAY, CUT OFF ON THE WEST SIDE OF THAT INTERSECTION.

THERE IS A BACK DOOR TO GET FOLKS IN AND OUT OF THAT COMMUNITY AND THROUGH AND OVER TO THE PARKWAY AGAIN IN THE EVENT THAT SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN.

AND I SAY THAT IT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN IN COOPERATION WITH THE SCHOOL ST JOHN'S PRESERVE, WHICH IS THE PROJECT THAT IS LOCATED DIRECTLY EAST OF THIS PROJECT THAT WE'RE JUST FINISHING UP THE FINAL PHASE FOUR ON IT AT THIS MOMENT OR TIME.

PART OF THAT PROJECT'S COLLABORATION WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD IS THEY PROVIDED THE SCHOOL A BACKDOOR ACCESS THROUGH THEIR COMMUNITY THAT'S GATED, THAT THE PRINCIPAL IS THE ONLY ONE WHO HAS THAT KEY. SO IN THE EVENT THERE IS AN ACCIDENT, THE SCHOOL BUSSES CAN GO AROUND AND BYPASS THAT INTERSECTION.

I WOULD HOPE THAT IN THE EVENT SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD OCCUR, THAT THE SCHOOL BOARD WOULD ALSO OFFER AND EXTEND THAT SAME OPPORTUNITY TO THE RESIDENTS OF OF PALM BAY DIRECTLY TO THEIR WEST AND ALLOW THEM TO ACCESS THROUGH THAT DRIVE AISLE AND COME THROUGH THE ST JOHN'S RESERVE PROJECT, WHICH GIVES THEM DIRECT ACCESS TO THE PARKWAY.

THAT'S THAT'S A THAT'S A BIG HOPE FOR US WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD.

AND JUST TO TOUCH A LITTLE BIT ON THAT.

EVERYONE COMING OUT OF OUT OF THIS THIS PROPOSED AREA IS GOING TO HEAD EAST AND THEN AND THEN HEAD NORTH OR CONTINUE EASTWARD. CHANCES ARE THEY WOULD FUNNEL NORTHWARD.

AND THAT'S WHY I WAS HOPEFUL THAT THERE COULD BE THAT COLLABORATION OF OF BEING ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER.

YEAH, I'M SORRY. THE OTHER CHALLENGE IS IN ALL REALITY, THIS PROJECT, MALABAR SPRINGS, IS SO MUCH FURTHER AHEAD THAN ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD BE HAPPENING ON THE WHAT WE CALL THE WEST SIDE OR PALM VISTA WEST.

IS THE PROJECT, THE FUTURE PROJECT THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.

I'M NOT EVEN SURE HOW WE WOULD MAKE THAT REALIZATION.

WHEN WOULD THAT IF THERE WAS A CONNECTION MADE, WHEN WOULD THAT EVEN ACTUALLY OCCUR? SO I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANTLY THERE'D BE A SIGNIFICANT LONG LEAD TIME TO MAKING ANY KIND OF CONNECTION IF THAT WERE EVEN A POSSIBILITY.

AND I STAND HERE TODAY TELLING YOU I DON'T I CAN'T REPRESENT ON BEHALF OF THE OTHER LANDOWNER THAT THEY WOULD EVEN ENTERTAIN THAT PER SE.

AND THAT'S WHAT'S UNFORTUNATE ABOUT THE WHOLE THING.

WELL, THEY'VE GOT A GATED COMMUNITY.

THIS ONE IS NOT THERE.

THEY'RE ACROSS AGAIN, THE MAIN DRAINAGE CONNECTION.

IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE THEIR NEIGHBORS, BUT THEY DO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT BOUNDARY, A BARRIER BETWEEN THEM THAT JUST DOESN'T MAKE IT A FEASIBLE PROJECT.

AS YOU DRIVE ACROSS THE PARKWAY, WHEN YOU GO ACROSS THE C ONE CANAL, YOU FEEL IT.

IT'S BRIDGE. IT'S A IT'S A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT.

MA'AM, I APPRECIATE YOU EVEN CONSIDERING WHAT I'M TRYING TO BRING.

I'M TRYING TO BRING, YOU KNOW, A VISION OF OK.

EVERYONE IS IS PRETTY PAROCHIAL, THE WAY I'M VIEWING IT.

THEY'RE ALL INDEPENDENT PROPERTY OWNERS, BUT TEN YEARS DOWN RANGE, IT'S NOT GOING TO YOU KNOW, IT SHOULD BE EVERYONE WORKING TOGETHER TO MAKE IT A NICE MASTER PLAN ALL ALTOGETHER.

RIGHT. EVERYONE'S COMMUNITY IS GOING TO BE BEAUTIFUL.

I'M NOT DISPUTING THAT.

BUT IF WE COLLABORATE, IT WOULD ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE STRESSES THAT I FORESEE WHEN YOU PUT 10,400 HOMES OR WHATEVER, AND TRYING TO LEAVE ONE AT A11 EXIT, ONE ENTRANCE, IT JUST I'M THINKING PUBLIC SAFETY AS WELL.

UNDERSTOOD. COMPLETELY RESPECT THAT ANY ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? DEPUTY MAYOR. YES.

MAYOR. WHAT ARE WE LOOKING LIKE TIMESTAMP WISE? LIKE ARE WE DOING A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF HOUSES WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF LIKE 232 HOUSES? I MEAN, THE 232 UNITS BY 2024, 653 SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES BY 2025.

SO WE SUBMITTED AS PART OF OUR PACKAGE, I THINK, A DEVELOPMENT SCHEDULE THAT SHOULD BE PART OF YOUR PACKAGE.

I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME AT THE MOMENT, ACTUALLY, I DO.

SO PHASE ONE, WE ARE ANTICIPATING STARTING THAT IN JANUARY OF 2023, PROVIDED I CAN GET ON MY PERMITS AND EVERYTHING PUSHED THROUGH ALL THE AGENCIES IN TIME AND COMPLETING PHASE ONE BY 2024.

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PHASE ONE JUST IN ROUND NUMBER, IT'S ABOUT HALF THE PROJECT.

IT IS 212 UNITS.

AND I'M SORRY. IT'S 317 UNITS.

PHASE TWO IS SCHEDULED TO BEGIN SHORTLY THEREAFTER, ACTUALLY IMMEDIATELY THEREAFTER AND WOULD BE COMPLETED.

SORRY FOR FUMBLING AROUND HERE.

WOULD BE COMPLETED BY 2025 IS WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT THAT.

SO THAT'S A COUPLE OF AGAIN, THAT'S TODAY'S APPETITE.

WE HOPE TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THAT AGGRESSIVE SCHEDULE AND MOVE FORWARD IN THAT PHASE.

SO SO HALF BY 2024.

THE OTHER HALF, WE HOPE SO. YEAH.

AND THE OTHER HALF POTENTIALLY 2020.

NOW, WHEN I SAY THAT THAT'S THE INFRASTRUCTURE BEING COMPLETED.

YES. SO THE HOME BUILDING OBVIOUSLY TAKES 12 TO 18 MONTHS WITH LAG AFTER THAT.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YES, SIR.

ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANTS? THANK YOU, MARY. SO JUST WANT TO ELABORATE ON MALABAR ROAD REAL QUICK.

I BELIEVE IT WAS IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT WERE ON THAT THAT SECTION OF ROAD THAT WOULD BE PAVED, WIDENED AND EXTENDED FROM THE SCHOOL ENTRANCE TO PASS THE DEVELOPMENT PROPERTY LINE ENTRANCE. YES, SIR.

CAN YOU CAN YOU GO IN MORE ELABORATE DETAIL ON WIDENED AND EXTENDED? I'M SORRY, THE LAST PART.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY WIDENED AND WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY EXTENDED? SO RIGHT NOW MALABAR ROAD IS PAVED UP TO THE SCHOOL'S EASTERN OR THE SCHOOL'S LAST ENTRANCE OR WESTERN ENTRANCE.

BEYOND THAT, IT'S A DIRT ROAD AS YOU HEAD OUT AND CONTINUE FURTHER WEST.

SO WE WILL BE PICKING UP ESSENTIALLY FROM THE SCHOOL'S WESTERNMOST ENTRANCE WEST, JUST BEYOND OUR PROPERTY LINE OR OUR PROJECT ENTRANCE AND PAVING THAT ENTIRE SECTION, BRINGING THAT UP TO CODE.

UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S NOT A CITY ROAD.

IT'S BREVARD COUNTY ROAD, SO IT'LL BE BUILT TO COUNTY STANDARDS.

HOWEVER, YOUR PUBLIC WORKS TEAM WILL BE REVIEWING THAT PACKAGE IN THE IN THE WIDENING EFFORT OF THAT, WE WILL BE CONSTRUCTING TWO LANES AS REQUIRED, BUT WE WILL BE PROVIDING THE ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY AND SETTING THAT ASIDE IN THE EVENT THAT THAT SECTION EVER DOES GET FOUR LANES.

THANK YOU. YES, SIR.

THE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. YES, SIR.

ANY COMMENT? STAFF COMMENTS, MA'AM, BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT? NO, SIR. THINK.

DEPUTY MAYOR, MR. TOM VELIE. JUST THINKING, MR. MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL, I APPRECIATE YOU HEARING ME TODAY TALKING ABOUT THE MALABAR SPRINGS PROJECT.

I LIVE AT THE WEST END OF MALABAR ROAD ALL THE WAY DOWN PASS THERE.

THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY IN, IN ONE WAY OUT.

I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY WIDENING PROJECTS THAT CITY OF PALM BAY HAS YET OR THE FUNDING OF IT.

I DON'T KNOW. YOU COULD TELL ME ABOUT THAT OR NOT.

BUT ANYWAY, ME LIVING DOWN AT THE END THERE, OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE MAY THINK I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT MY OWN SELF-INTEREST, BUT IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THERE'S 2500 STUDENTS THAT GO TO HERITAGE HIGH SCHOOL.

IT ALL COMES OUT.

IT WENT ON ON THE SOUTH END, COMES INTO MALABAR ROAD, THIS PROJECT, EVERYTHING.

ANY ENTRANCES WILL BE TO THE WEST OF IT.

IT'S A DEAD END.

THEY DON'T HAVE ANY WAY TO GET AN EAST EXIT.

THEY DON'T HAVE ANY WAY TO GET A NORTH EXIT OUT OVER THE TILLMAN CANAL.

EVERYTHING'S GOING TO HAVE TO FUNNEL IN FRONT OF THAT HIGH SCHOOL.

AND I CAN TELL YOU FROM LIVING DOWN THERE, IT'S ALREADY PRETTY CROWDED AND PACKED.

AND LIKE I SAY, THIS PROPERTY WAS ORIGINALLY BOUGHT FROM THE PLATT FAMILY.

I'VE BEEN DOWN AT THE END OF MALABAR ROAD FOR 30 YEARS AND BORN IN MELBOURNE, BEEN IN PALM BAY MOST OF MY LIFE AND THEY BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY.

IT WAS A SUPPOSEDLY ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE PROPERTY AND THE ST JOHN'S, IN THEIR WISDOM, DECIDED TO SWAP ANOTHER PIECE AND SELL THIS TO A DEVELOPER.

AND YOU KNOW, I'VE MADE THIS ISSUE TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING BEFORE.

YOU KNOW IT'S GOING TO CREATE A HAZARD THERE, SAFETY FOR THE CHILDREN AND FOR I TALK WITH THE POLICE OFFICER DOWN THERE.

HE'S ALREADY PRETTY WELL MAXED OUT PALM BAY POLICE.

I TALKED TO HIM QUITE OFTEN.

AND SO I THINK IT WOULD BE DOING MY OWN OPINION.

I THINK IT'D BE DOING A HERITAGE HIGH SCHOOL, ALL THOSE STUDENTS AND ALL THOSE PARENTS A DISSERVICE TO ALLOW THIS PROJECT TO BE PUT IN.

I UNDERSTAND PROPERTY SOMEWHAT UNDERSTAND PROPERTY RIGHTS.

LET ME SEE IF THERE WAS ANYTHING ELSE I WANTED TO SAY IN HERE.

OH, THEY SAID HIS KEEPING WITH THREE PER ACRE.

ALMOST 900 HOMES ON ALMOST 300 ACRES.

BUT BY THE TIME YOU ACTUALLY PUT IN YOUR ROAD SYSTEM, YOUR GREEN AREA, YOUR DRAINAGE, YOUR PONDS, YOUR RETENTION, YOU'RE PUTTING AT LEAST FIVE HOMES PER ACRE.

RIGHT NOW, I CAN TELL YOU THAT IT'S THAT IT IS A FIRE HAZARD.

YOU CAN I'M AN OLD GUY.

I THINK I COULD JUMP FROM ROOF TO ROOF ON.

MOST OF THESE NEW PROJECTS ARE ALLOWING TO BE PUT IN.

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BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SUCH TRAFFIC CONGESTION ON MALABAR ROAD AND HERITAGE PARKWAY AS WELL.

I JUST HOPE YOU FOLKS WILL REALLY TAKE THAT TO HEART AND WORK ON IT.

OKAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

GOD BLESS YOU. THANK YOU.

IT'S TO MR. BILL BATTEN, FOLLOWED BY ROBERT STICE.

BILL BATTEN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTH WEST.

IF THIS DEVELOPMENT DOES COME IN, I'D REQUEST THAT THE.

PLANNING AND LOOKING FOR THE FUTURE KIND OF COINS COINCIDES WITH THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT'S UNDER THE NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH WILL BE COMING OUT IN DECEMBER INSTEAD OF GOING BY THE GUIDELINES FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW, WHICH TRAFFIC STUDIES ARE BEING CONDUCTED ON.

THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT STANDARDS BY WHICH WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS.

LOOK AT THE LOOK AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

I'M GO BY THE LEVEL OF STANDARD OF SERVICE THAT'S GOING TO BE REQUIRED UNDER THE NEW COMP PLAN INSTEAD OF THE CURRENT COMP PLAN.

I WOULD NOT HAVE ADDRESSED THIS UNDER ITEM NUMBER SIX.

I WOULD HAVE ADDRESSED IT FOR ALL FOUR, FIVE, SIX AND SEVEN, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN UNDER THE SAME STATEMENT.

SO THAT'S WHY I APOLOGIZE FOR COMING IN LATE WITH A.

PIECE OF PAPERWORK. I TRIED TO DO IT AT THE BEGINNING, BUT THEN YOU PULLED FOUR.

I'M ADDRESSING IT NOW, BUT IT'S THE SAME STATEMENT FOR ALL OF THEM.

LEVEL OF SERVICE OR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE FUTURE.

NOT AS IT STANDS NOW.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ROBERT STICE.

AND WHILE WE'RE WAITING, IS THAT IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOUR STAFF IS LOOKING AT? WHAT MS.. SUTTON BENTON JUST PROPOSED? I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION IN FRONT OF ME.

I DON'T KNOW IF I THINK HE STEPPED OUT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF MR. ANDERSON HAS ANY INFORMATION ON WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED FOR THE CURRENT COMP PLAN, BUT THAT IS ALL STILL VERY MUCH UNDER REVIEW.

WE'RE HAVING ANOTHER PUBLIC WORKSHOP NEXT THURSDAY.

SO I DON'T I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT WE HAVE ANY DRAFT LANGUAGE FOR THAT AT THIS TIME.

WELL, THERE'S DR. J.

NOW, MA'AM. YEAH.

CAN. CAN HE COME? YEAH.

YES. YOU KNOW, SO I THINK ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP WAS I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THIS, SO FEEL FREE TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT.

IN THE CURRENT COMP PLAN, WE HAVE A CERTAIN LEVEL OF SERVICE WHEN IT COMES TO LIKE PUBLIC SAFETY, THINGS LIKE THAT.

DO YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION RELATED TO WHAT WE'RE DRAFTING FOR THE NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? I WAS JUST INFORMING HOW I CAN AT LEAST GIVE AN UPDATE ON THAT.

SO THE UPDATE WON'T BE AS CLEAR AS YOU'RE PROBABLY HOPING FOR AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME.

WE'RE IN A DATA ANALYSIS PHASE WHERE WE'RE GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH OUR CONSULTANTS.

WE ARE TRYING TO DETERMINE OUR LEVEL OF ANALYSIS RIGHT NOW.

SO THEY'VE GIVEN US SOME STANDARDS.

WE HAVE CRITIQUED THEM STAFF LEVEL AND PROVIDED THEM COMMENTS.

THEY'RE WORKING ON ADJUSTING THE LEVEL OF STANDARDS TO THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE PROVIDED THEM FROM OUR STAFF REVIEW.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING BACK AND FORTH AND NOT JUST HAVE FROM CONSULTANTS.

SO WE HAVE INTERNAL PERSPECTIVE AS WELL.

SO ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT THAT CAME UP RIGHT BEFORE WAS IF WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE PROJECTS, WE SHOULD BE GOING BY THE NEW STANDARDS OF THE COMP PLAN AS OPPOSED TO OUR CURRENT PLAN.

AND IN A LOGISTICALLY IDEAL WORLD, SURE, IN A LEGALLY WORLD, I DO NOT BELIEVE WE CAN GO ANYWHERE NEAR THAT, UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE THOSE ARE NOT THE APPROVED LAWS OF THE LAND AS CURRENTLY PRESCRIBED.

YOU ALL HAVE NOT REVIEWED THEM YOURSELVES.

WE DO NOT HAVE A PENDING ORDNANCE DOCTRINE, NOR DO WE HAVE ANY PENDING ORDINANCE READY FOR SUCH A DOCTRINE TO BE ESTABLISHED WITH.

SO THEREFORE WE DON'T HAVE ANY GROUNDS TO BE ABLE TO ENACT IT WITH.

THANK YOU, DR. J.

SURE. APPRECIATE IT.

ROBERTS NICE. ROBERT STARTED 1796 WHEN WE DRIVE SOUTH EAST.

MR. MAYOR, THANK YOU.

I REALLY LIKE WHAT YOU SAID, LOOKING DOWNRANGE.

TEN YEARS. THAT'S WHAT I TRY TO GET OUT VERY ARTICULATELY IN A THREE MINUTE SPAN HERE.

WHEN YOU SEE THIS 2500 STUDENTS, AS THE GENTLEMAN HAD SAID, ALREADY CROWDED, 2700 HOMES, ONE EXIT.

WHAT I'M ASKING EVERY ONE OF YOU, WHAT DO YOU SEE IN TEN YEARS WITH WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS, 50% OF PALM BAY STILL NEEDING TO BE DEVELOPED.

ARE WE LOOKING AT THAT? BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO START THROTTLING DOWN PEOPLE'S LEVEL OF ANXIETY, ESPECIALLY MINE.

YOU KNOW WHAT OVERCROWDING IS IN NEW YORK AND BOTH YOU AND THE GENTLEMAN NEXT TO YOU, WE CAN GET OVER VERY QUICKLY.

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YOU WERE LOOKING OUT FOR THE FOLKS WITH SAFETY NETS.

YOU KNOW, I HOPE YOU'RE NOT GRUMPY WITH ME FROM MY FIRST STATEMENT, BUT THAT'S THAT'S DEFINITELY IMPORTANT.

SO. AND JUST WANT TO LEAVE YOU WITH.

THAT'S WHERE THE FOCUS HAS GOT TO BE.

WHAT HAPPENS IN TEN YEARS? YOU'VE GOT ALL OF THESE PEOPLE HERE, YOU GOT ALL OF THESE HOUSES HERE, YOU STILL HAVE ONE EXIT.

YOU HAVE TILLMAN THAT'S VERY CLOSE TO CLOSE TO THE VEST, FOR LACK OF A BETTER DESCRIPTION AS FAR AS MODIFYING ANYTHING THAT THEY DO WITH WITH WATER FLOW.

SO PLEASE LOOK AT THIS ONE LONG AND HARD.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

I'D LIKE TO SEE OF THE APP.

ARE YOU COMING UP, SIR, WITH THAT FOR THIS ITEM? THANK YOU. NATHAN WHITE 1301 SEABREEZE STREET SOUTHWEST.

ACCORDING TO THE INFORMATION IN THE AGENDA, WHICH PRETTY CLOSELY MATCHES WHAT I'VE SEEN BEFORE REGARDING THIS DEVELOPMENT, THIS IS COMBINING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND MULTIFAMILY UNITS.

885 RESIDENTIAL UNITS.

IN THIS LESS THAN 300 ACRE PROPERTY, I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE.

AN ESTIMATE BECAUSE YOU TRULY NEVER KNOW FOR SURE UNTIL THEY MOVE IN.

BUT THAT WOULD BE BETWEEN 885 TO 1700 VEHICLES.

IT IS FOUR AND A HALF MILES FROM HERITAGE HIGH SCHOOL BEFORE YOU GET TO A TWO LANE ROAD.

IN ANY DIRECTION.

AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE VEHICLES, NO MATTER HOW MANY ENTRANCES YOU PUT ON MALABAR ROAD, WILL HAVE TO GO PAST THE ENTRANCE TO THE SCHOOL.

IF I'M THE ONLY ONE WHO SEES AN ACCIDENT.

ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN.

WELL, I DON'T THINK I'M THE ONLY ONE WHO SEES AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN.

TO DO THIS.

WHEN WE'VE ONLY JUST BARELY BEGUN PLANNING.

THE WIDENING OF MALABAR ROAD.

IS IRRESPONSIBLE AND UNSAFE.

THE NUMBER OF KIDS THAT WALK TO THAT SCHOOL, ASIDE FROM THE TRAFFIC FROM PICKUPS, THE NUMBER OF KIDS THAT WALK TO THAT SCHOOL.

THIS MANY VEHICLES BEING FORCED TO CRAM THROUGH ONE LANE OF TRAFFIC PAST THAT ENTRANCE EVERY MORNING AND EVERY AFTERNOON OR EVENING, WHENEVER THE MORNING IS WHAT CONCERNS ME THE MOST.

THE TRAFFIC ISSUES WE HAVE IN PALM BAY WILL BE NOTHING COMPARED TO THAT.

AND IF WE'VE ONLY JUST BEGUN PLANNING TO WIDEN MALABAR ROAD, IT WILL BE COMPLETED WELL BEFORE THAT WIDENING WELL BEFORE.

I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR IF WE HAVE A IT WOULD HAVE TO BE VERY LOOSE.

BUT IF WE HAVE EVEN A LOOSE TIMETABLE, A GUESS OF HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE TO WIDEN THAT SECTION BEFORE WE WIDEN THAT SECTION OF MALABAR ROAD.

BECAUSE I GUARANTEE I WOULD GUARANTEE YOU IT WON'T BE IN 2024 OR EVEN 2025.

WHEN THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS BEING COMPLETED.

AND THAT IS NOT SAFE FOR THOSE KIDS.

IF THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE, IF THERE IS A WAY AROUND THIS ISSUE TO MAKE IT SAFE.

THAT WOULD BE GREAT. BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD ONE YET.

PLEASE CONSIDER THE SAFETY OF THOSE KIDS WITH REGARDS TO THIS TRAFFIC SITUATION.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

NO, THE SPEAKER CAN'T.

MA'AM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO REBUT? I GUESS I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMENTS ABOUT THE SAFETY RELATED TO THE SCHOOL AND THE PROXIMITY OF IT.

I MEAN, WE'RE NEXT TO A SCHOOL.

SCHOOLS ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE.

THERE ARE NEIGHBORHOODS, THEY'RE ON BUSY ROADS, THE WALKABILITY, THE PROJECT DIRECTLY TO THE EAST OF THIS PROJECT THAT I SPOKE OF EARLIER, ST JOHNS PRESERVE THAT PROVIDES THE INTERIOR EMERGENCY ACCESS, SPECIFICALLY BUILT SIDEWALK DIRECTLY TO THE SCHOOL SO THAT THOSE STUDENTS THAT WILL BE LIVING WITHIN THAT COMMUNITY ARE WALKING TO THAT SCHOOL. PART OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE REQUIRED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE MALABAR SPRINGS PROJECT IS TO CONSTRUCT A SIDEWALK ALONG MALABAR ROAD FROM OUR PROJECT ENTRANCE, WHICH ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF MALABAR TO THE SCHOOL SITE.

SO THEY HAVE AN ACCESS.

RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO SIDEWALK ALONG MALABAR ROAD FROM ST JOHN'S, FROM THE ST JOHNS INTERSECTION TO THE SCHOOL.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHO, I DON'T KNOW WHO'S WALKING OUT THERE.

I'VE BEEN OUT THERE A LOT FOR CONSTRUCTION.

I CAN TELL YOU I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY KIDS WALKING ALONG MALABAR ROAD TO GET TO SCHOOL.

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I'M JUST SAYING I HAVE NOT I'VE NOT SEEN THAT FROM A TRIP GENERATION STANDPOINT.

YES, THERE'S THERE'S THIS PERCEPTION THAT THE TRAFFIC IS HEAVY OUT THERE.

AND WHEN KIDS ARE GOING TO SCHOOL AND PARENTS ARE DROPPING THEM OFF WHEN THE BUSSES ARE COMING IN AT EIGHT, I THINK THE SCHOOL START AT 9:00.

I THINK THAT PARTICULAR HIGH'S ARE 8:00.

830. YEAH, IT'S DEFINITELY GOING TO BE BUSY.

AND AT 330 WHEN THEY GET OUT OF SCHOOL, IT'S BUSY AGAIN.

THAT'S THE WAY TRAFFIC WORKS.

AND IN GENERAL AND THE GENERAL TIMEFRAME OF YOUR EVERY DAY, IT'S NOT THAT IT'S NOT BUSY LIKE THAT.

YOU DRIVE OUT THERE AT 10:00, IT'S REGULAR TRAFFIC FLOW.

YOU DON'T HAVE THOSE ISSUES. IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER INTERSECTION OR HIGH USE FACILITY THAT YOU WOULD SEE IN ANY CITY OR MUNICIPALITY AROUND BREVARD COUNTY.

SO I THINK I WOULD I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY WE ARE BUILDING A SIDEWALK SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT WALKABILITY AS WE GET GET STUDENTS TO THAT SCHOOL.

THE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT WITH RESPECT TO THE DENSITY, WE ARE AT THREE UNITS PER ACRE.

WE HAVE A MINIMUM OF 50 FOOT WIDE BUFFERS, NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE REQUIRED, BUT BECAUSE WE CHOSE TO DO THAT.

ALONG THE PERIMETER ARE EAST, WEST AND NORTH PROPERTY LINES TO PROVIDE THAT SORT OF THAT OPEN TRAIL FEEL.

THERE'S SOME TREES IN THAT AREA, SOME TREE PRESERVES THAT WE ARE PLANNING ON PRESERVING SO THAT WE CAN CREATE NOT JUST THE CLEAR CUT, YOU KNOW, 15 FOOT WIDE GRASS STRIP THAT'S REQUIRED.

BUT AGAIN, IT'S A 50 FOOT MINIMUM BUFFER.

WE HAVE I DON'T WANT TO SAY EXCESSIVE, BUT WE HAVE WELL, MORE WELL, WE WILL EXCEED THE 25% OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT.

AND OUR FIRST TWO PHASES WERE AT 44%.

I THINK THE THIRD PHASE IS IT'S 25%.

SO COLLECTIVELY WE FAR EXCEED THAT NUMBER.

WE'VE GOT SIGNIFICANTLY MORE STORMWATER AND LAKE AREAS AND THEN WHAT IT WOULD BE REQUIRED, AGAIN, IT'S THAT IT CREATES A FEEL THERE'S BE SOME INTERIOR TRAILS WHERE FOLKS CAN WALK AROUND, USE THE SIDEWALKS AND TURN TO THE SITE, WALK THROUGH THE CLUBHOUSE, GO THROUGH THESE TREE PRESERVE AREAS.

SO THEY'VE GOT THAT, THAT FEELING OF OUTDOORS.

SO AGAIN, WE'RE LIMITED BY UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT NORTHERN ACCESS POINT.

MAYOR, AS YOU HAD ASKED AGAIN, IT WAS A MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITY, MAYBE NOT EVEN THEN, BUT PERHAPS WE'LL BE HAVING A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT.

I APPRECIATE THAT COMMENT.

I APOLOGIZE.

I'M NOT ABLE TO GIVE YOU THAT AS I STAND HERE THIS EVENING.

BUT I DO THINK IT'S A GOOD PROJECT.

WE'VE PROVIDED MULTIPLE POINTS OF ACCESS TO MALABAR ROAD.

WE ARE EXTENDING THAT ROADWAY AND PAVING IT AND PROVIDING THE ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY.

SO IN THE FUTURE, WHEN THAT ROADWAY, WHEN AND IF IT NEEDS TO BE WIDENED, IT'S IT'S SET ASIDE SO THAT YOU CAN DO SO.

AND WE'RE CONSTRUCTING THOSE SIDEWALKS TODAY.

NOW YOU MENTION HOW MANY TOTAL UNITS? 885. THANK YOU.

YES, SIR. COUNCILMAN FOSTER.

THE THE RESIDENTS THAT'S GOING TO LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY IF THEY HAVE KIDS, ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT NEED TO GO TO A HIGH SCHOOL, MORE LIKELY THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO HEROD, SIR.

RIGHT. YES, SIR.

AND THEY PROBABLY WALK.

MORE LIKELY. SURE. AND THE ELEMENTARY KIDS.

WHATEVER'S THE NEAREST ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE IS JUPITER.

SO A BUS MIGHT COME PICK THEM UP OR THE PARENTS MIGHT DRIVE THEM THERE.

CORRECT. AND THERE YOU'RE PAST THE HIGH SCHOOL.

SO YOU TURN ON THE WEST SIDE OR THE SOUTH SIDE OF MALABAR HEADING TOWARDS THE PARKWAY.

THAT'S MORE LIKELY WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

OR A SCHOOL BUS GOING TO COME PARK IN FRONT OF YOUR MAIN ENTRANCE ENTRANCE AND PICK UP THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL KIDS.

WELL, LIKELY THE PARENTS GOING TO TAKE THEM.

YES, SIR. SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS TRAFFIC THING.

BECAUSE YOU GO TO ANY SCHOOLS.

AND I USED TO WORK AT TWO OF THEM.

OF. YOU ALWAYS HAVE TRAFFIC.

IT'S ALWAYS THE PALM BAY.

HIGH SCHOOL FOR ONE I USED TO WORK AT.

I MEAN, THERE'S.

THIS TRAFFIC ON BABCOCK PIRATE LANE.

KIDS ARE WALKING ON THE SIDEWALK.

MATTER OF FACT, I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE A SIDEWALK ON PARK LANE.

UP UNTIL YOU PASS THE BASEBALL FIELD.

THEY HAVE ONE ON BABCOCK.

BUT I DON'T I DON'T GET THIS TRAFFIC THING.

I KNOW THERE'S MORE CARS.

WE'RE GOING TO WIDEN THAT ROAD.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A TRAFFIC LIGHT.

YOU DID A TRAFFIC STUDY.

WHAT DID THE TRAFFIC STUDY? SO WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF FINALIZING THAT STUDY.

THAT FINAL STUDY SHOULD BE IN MY HANDS IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS.

WE DID WE DID A PRELIMINARY ANALYSIS EARLY ON WITH A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED THAT SHOWED THAT WE NEEDED TO DO SOME OF THIS WIDENING AND THERE'LL BE A PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE, A CONTRIBUTION TOWARDS THE SIGNALIZATION AND ANY OTHER OUTSIDE IMPROVEMENTS.

SO THE MOST OF THE PART THAT YOU'RE WIDENING IS GOING TO BE A COUNTY ROAD OR THE CITY ROAD.

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FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE, MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT WILL REMAIN A COUNTY ROAD.

OKAY. AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE MAYOR SAID.

YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ANOTHER ACCENT, BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS.

YOU'RE KIND OF LANDLOCKED WHERE YOU'RE AT.

BUT I JUST SEE.

IF IT HAS A DISASTER, SOMETIMES IT'S BEST TO STAY WHERE YOU'RE AT.

TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, SOMETIMES IT'S BEST TO STAY WITH YOU AT TRYING TO GET ON THE ROAD.

YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GET ON THE ROAD.

IT CAUSED MORE, MORE PROBLEMS. IF YOU LEAVE EARLY OR YOU LEAVE LATE, YOU PROBABLY GET THERE JUST AS FAST.

IF YOU LEFT AT THE THE MOST HEIGHTENED TIME OF A DISASTER TO TRY TO LEAVE THAT AREA.

AND I CAN'T THINK OF ANY DISASTER OTHER THAN A TORNADO OR HARRY KANE THAT EVACUATE THAT LOCATION.

AND IF ONE'S COME IN, THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE BAD ANYWAY.

WE LEARNED THAT JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO.

IT DOESN'T MATTER. PEOPLE ARE GOING TO JAM UP THE INTERSTATE AND THE ROADS.

WE'VE JUST GOT TO BUILD MORE ROADS SO PEOPLE COULD GET OUT A FIRE STATION.

WE HOPE IT'S GOING TO COME THERE IN THAT AREA.

A LOT OF GOOD THINGS IS HAPPENING IN THAT AREA AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A REALLY NICE SPOT TO BE TO LIVE.

SO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR.

BRINGING THIS TO PALM BAY.

THANK YOU, SIR. ARE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT COUNCIL? THE QUESTION NOT. NOT SURE IF THE APPLICANT CAN ANSWER THAT OR MR. SHERMAN CAN GIVE US AN UPDATE AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC LIGHT ON THE INTERSECTION OF MALABAR AND HERITAGE PARKWAY.

WHERE'S THAT AT OR.

I'M GOING TO PUNT THAT TO MS.. SHERMAN, WHO MAY BE PUNTING IT TO FRANK.

I AM INDEED.

FRANK WATANABE, OUR CITY ENGINEER.

UNTIL IT'S FOOTBALL SEASON.

HEY, GOOD EVENING, FRANK WATANABE.

THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION.

WE DESIGNED THE SIGNAL.

WE SUBMITTED THE SIGNAL FOR A PERMIT TO THE COUNTY.

I TALKED TO THE COUNTY TRAFFIC PEOPLE THAT HAVE REVIEWED IT.

WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE GOTTEN THE RED LINE MARKUPS, BUT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN IT YET.

BUT THEY WERE REVIEWING THE PLANS.

THE GOOD NEWS IS THEY'RE REVIEWING THE PLANS.

IT MEANS THEY'RE GOING TO ISSUE US A PERMIT.

SO ONCE THEY SHOW US THE PERMIT, THEN WE WILL SEND IT OUT AS A BID ITEM TO ADVERTISE FOR CONSTRUCTION AND THEN MOVE THE PROJECT FORWARD IN CONSTRUCTION.

YOU IF YOU'RE YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU PROBABLY DON'T HAVE A YOU DON'T CONTROL THEIR SCHEDULE OR I HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL.

WHAT WOULD YOU SAY WITHIN HOW LONG THE PROBLEM WOULD BE, LET'S SAY BEST CASE TO GET THE COMMENTS BACK NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS.

WE GET THE BID OUT SOMETIME IN DECEMBER.

THE PROBLEM IS GOING TO BE ONCE WE AWARD THE WE YOU KNOW, WE OPEN THE BIDS, GET A CONTRACTOR, BE A SEASONAL CONTRACTOR, THE PROBLEM IS GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, THE ISSUE OF MATERIALS AND, YOU KNOW, COMPONENTS.

THE GOOD NEWS IS THIS IS NOT A METAL POLE.

THIS IS A SPAN OF WIRES, CONCRETE POLES, WIRES, THE STEEL, THE COMPONENTS, THE CONTROLLER CABINETS, THE SINGLE HEADS.

THEY STILL HAVE LEAD TIME.

THAT IS NOT AS MUCH AS A MASS TIMES IN POLES, WHICH RIGHT NOW WOULD BE LIKE 8 TO 9 MONTHS.

THERE'LL STILL BE A LEAD TIME, AT LEAST A FEW MONTHS FOR THE EQUIPMENT.

SO THE BEST YOU COULD PROBABLY HOPE FOR WOULD BE SOMETIME IN THE LATE SPRING.

THANK YOU, FRANK. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I KNOW. I KNOW THE POLLS.

IT'S NOT A POLL.

THEY'RE MORE EXPENSIVE.

BUT THAT WOULD BE EXTREMELY MORE EXPENSIVE.

WE WERE TRYING TO EXPEDITE THIS.

THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT WE HAD WITH THE COUNTY, WHICH WE HAD EARLY ON WITH THE ILA, WITH BABCOCK, THIS WAS TALKED ABOUT WITH THAT CAUCUS, WOLF, MALABAR WAS TO TAKE WHEN WE HAVE RIGHT NOW THAT'S DOWN TO BABCOCK, WHICH IS A SPAN WAR SIGNAL WHICH MATCHES IDENTICAL TO MALABAR INTERSECTION.

ONCE WE PUT THE NEW SIGNAL WITH THE MASS ARMS AND POLES DOWN THERE, WE PULL THAT ONE AND RELOCATE IT TO MALABAR.

WE CAN'T WAIT ANYMORE.

I'M SAYING THAT SIGNAL IS GOING TO BE WORKING IN CONSTRUCTION ALL NEXT YEAR.

WE NEED THE SIGNAL OPERATING AS FAST AS WE CAN, SO AS SOON AS WE GET THE PLANT APPROVED AND YOU GET THE COUNTY PERMITS, WE'RE GOING TO ADVERTISE IT OUT AND WE'RE GOING TO PURCHASE IT. INSTALL A BRAND NEW SPAMMER SIGNAL AT THAT LOCATION.

COUNTY YOU APPROVED IT BECAUSE WE HAD A MUTUAL AGREEMENT TO MOVE THAT POLL.

COUNTY RIGHT NOW DOES NOT APPROVE A OUR SIGNALS BUT WE MADE AN AGREEMENT AND THEY'RE HOLDING TO IT.

BUT THOSE POLLS ARE WARRANTED IN THAT AREA.

OH, YES. COPY THAT.

ALL RIGHT, SIR. THANK YOU.

ALL. MAN DID YOU CONCLUDE? WOULD YOUR COMMENTS.

OKAY, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK COUNSEL FOR A MOTION.

I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE.

2022 DASH 111 FOR APPROVAL.

17 EXCUSE ME. 2020 2-1 17 FOR APPROVAL.

[02:30:02]

COUNCILMAN FOSTER? YEAH, LIKE. LIKE I.

LIKE I SAID, THIS IS A QUADRANT JUDICIAL.

I LISTEN TO ALL THE WITNESSES AND THEIR OPINION.

THERE'S NO FACTS.

I CAN SAY, YEAH, IT'S GOING TO BE TRAFFIC JAMS, IT'S GOING TO BE THIS, IT'S GOING TO BE THAT.

BUT I DON'T HAVE NO DATA TO PROVE THAT.

WHERE ARE.

I KNOW WHAT'S COMING.

WE WIDENING THE ROLLS.

WE GOT JUST TALKED ABOUT A TRAFFIC LIGHT TRAFFIC STUDY.

THE DEVELOPER IS TALKING ABOUT BUILDING A SIDEWALK.

MOST OF THE KIDS COMING OUT OF DEVELOPMENT, IF THEY GO INTO THIS HIGH SCHOOL, THEY'RE GOING TO WALK.

NO BUS IS GOING TO DRIVE LESS THAN A QUARTER OF A MILE TO TAKE THEM TO SCHOOL FROM THERE.

KIDS DO WALK TO HERITAGES FROM OTHER LOCATIONS OF THE DEVELOPMENTS OF THE SUBDIVISIONS IN THAT AREA.

THEY DO WALK TO HARRIS, THE HIGH SCHOOL.

WE DO NEED A SIGNAL.

IT'S GOING TO BE A BUSY INTERSECTION.

YOU KNOW, THE MAYOR TALKED ABOUT TEN YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, AND I APPRECIATE HIS COMMENT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY BUILD HEROD'S ST JOHNS HEROD'S PARKWAY, THEY BUILD A TWO LANE ROAD.

IT WASN'T LOOKING TEN YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.

IT WASN'T EVEN LOOKING TWO YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.

IT'S A TWO LANE ROAD. IT NEEDS TO SHOULD HAVE BEEN A FOUR LANE ROAD FROM THIS FROM THE START LIKE FROM 192 TO GOING TOWARDS SONO THE FOUR LANE ROAD WHEN YOU GET PAST 192.

MATTER OF FACT, IT GOES TO A TWO LANE ROAD.

NOW WE'VE GOT TO GO BACK AND FIX IT.

AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF IT BECAUSE MORE DEVELOPMENTS IS GOING TO COME DOWN ST JAMES PARKWAY.

AND ALL FOR 92.

SO. AND WE'RE LOOKING TO HOPEFULLY BUILD A FIRE STATION THERE.

WE HAD THESE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE FIRE TO PUTTING A FIRE STATION NEAR THERE.

IT'S GOT TO BE ONE THAT THERE.

I DON'T THINK THIS IS A GREAT PLAN FOR THE CITY.

LIKE I SAID, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT I COULD VOTE IT AGAINST THIS PROJECT.

I THINK IT'S ALL A POSITIVE GAIN FOR THE CITY AND WE NEED TO.

THE IMPACT FEES TO BUILD THE FIRE STATION.

THERE. WE NEED TO IMPACT FEEDS AND WE NEED THE POPULATION TO BUILD COMMERCIAL THERE BECAUSE COMMERCIAL IS COMING IN.

WE BUILD COMMERCIAL ON THE CORNER OF MALABAR AND ST JAMES PARKWAY.

SHOULD WE NOT BUILD COMMERCIAL BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC? I MEAN, PALM BAY ROAD AND BABCOCK.

SHOULD WE JUST ELIMINATE THEM COMMERCIAL? SHOULD WE CLOSE DOWN ALL THE COMMERCIAL THERE? BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TWO, THREE APARTMENT, FOUR APARTMENTS AND LESS THAN A MILE APART.

THIS TRAFFIC. I MEAN, SO.

YOU KNOW, WE PASS A MORATORIUM TO LOOK AT THE SOUTHEAST, THE TRAFFIC THERE.

SAFETY IS ALWAYS ON MY MIND.

WE'VE GOT TO USE SOME COMMON SENSE IN MAKING DECISIONS HERE.

AND I THINK I DON'T SEE NOTHING, NO NOTHING BEFORE ME WITH FACTS SAYING THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE A HAZARD OR SAFETY AGAINST THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN THAT AREA.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

COUNCILMAN FELIX.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. I THINK COUNCILMAN FOSTER PRETTY MUCH SAID IT ALL.

IN MANY WAYS COVER QUITE A FEW DIFFERENT ASPECTS.

CERTAINLY, SAFETY IS ALWAYS A IN TOP OF MIND OF THIS COUNCIL.

EVERY SINGLE MEMBER OF THIS COUNCIL, I CAN SAY IF I CAN SPEAK ON THEIR BEHALF, SAFETY IS NUMBER ONE FOR US.

BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, COUNCILMAN FOSTER MENTIONED QUASI JUDICIAL WE WE ACTING AS AS JUDGES.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY FACT NO ONE CAME WITH ANY FACTS SAYING THAT TO PROVE TO CAN CAN SUPPORT WHAT THEIR ARGUMENT AND SECOND. WE NEED A FIRE STATION OUT THERE.

885 UNITS.

THERE IT IS RIGHT THERE.

WE CAN EITHER PART OF IT.

PART OF IT IS THAT THE THE AMOUNT OF IMPACT FEE THIS PROJECT WILL GENERATE.

THAT WOULD BE A BIG CONTRIBUTION TOWARDS WHAT WE WANT TO ACHIEVE ON THERE.

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AGAIN, I MEAN, I'M LOOKING A LOT OF ENVIRONMENTALLY I THINK THE PROJECT IS VERY WELL PLANNED OUT WITH A LOT OF STORMWATER TO ADDRESS THAT ASPECT OF IT, A LOT OF GREENERY AND DENSITY, CERTAINLY DENSITIES I THINK FOR 303 HUNDRED ACRES.

THIS IS NOT OVER OVERCROWDED.

I DON'T SEE A REASON REALLY NOT TO NOT TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.

SO I WILL OBVIOUSLY SUPPORT IT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

COUNCILMAN FELIX, ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION? COUNCIL. ANYONE ELSE? DEPUTY MAYOR. JUST BRIEFLY, MAYOR, I WAS I WAS ON THE FENCE ABOUT THIS PROJECT.

BUT ONE THING THAT DOES GIVE ME A SENSE OF EASE IS THE FACT THAT IT COULD HAVE BEEN SEVEN UNITS PER ACRE.

SO IT'S BEING CUT DOWN IN HALF BECAUSE IF IT WAS TO BE SEVEN UNITS OR SIX UNITS OR FIVE UNITS, WE'RE LOOKING AT A MUCH HIGHER IMPACT TO THIS AREA.

SO THIS IS ACTUALLY, TO ME, A SAFER COMPROMISE INSTEAD OF WHAT COULD HAVE CAME BEFORE US AND WHAT COULD COME BEFORE US IN THE FUTURE IF THIS PROJECT WERE TO BE SHOT DOWN.

SO I FEEL THIS IS PROBABLY THE LOWEST DENSITY PROJECT WE WOULD SEE FOR THIS AREA RIGHT HERE.

SO. HEY.

SO I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN FOSTER SINGING ABOUT COUNCILMAN FELIX.

ALL IN FAVOR, I SUPPOSE.

HEY. HEY. HOW'S THIS? 3 TO 2. WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.

ORDINANCE 2022, DASH 118 AN AUDIENCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, APPROVED A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO BE KNOWN AS MEDLEY AT EVERGLADES AND A NEW AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL BREVARD COUNTY ZONING.

THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF PACE DRIVE IN SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED HEREIN PROVIDED FOR COMMENCEMENT PERIOD, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ASK THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT THEIR CASE.

GOOD EVENING. ANNA SAUNDERS WITH BSE AGAIN HERE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT FOR THE MEDLEY AT EVELYN'S PROJECT, IT IS THE CONTINUATION OF A PROJECT THAT'S CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

YOU CAN SEE IT AT THE INTERSECTION OF PACE AND THE PARKWAY.

THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS LOCATED BETWEEN PACE AND EMERSON ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PARKWAY.

IT IS 840 UNITS OVER JUST OVER, JUST OVER 200 ACRES.

IT IS A ACTIVE ADULT COMMUNITY, SO ALL 840 UNITS ARE ACTIVE ADULT.

WE HAVE A MIXTURE OF TOWNHOME, VILLA, 40, 50 AND 60 FOOT PRODUCT IN THIS DEVELOPMENT AS WELL.

THE AMENITY CENTER BOASTS A CLUBHOUSE MOVEMENT STUDIO, WHICH I'VE LEARNED IS SORT OF LIKE YOGA OR DANCE OR WHATEVER YOU'D LIKE IT TO BE IN THE FUTURE.

AND PICKLEBALL AND TENNIS COURTS ALONG WITH THE SWIMMING POOL.

IT HAS ONE MAIN ACCESS POINT TO THE PARKWAY, ONE TO EMERSON AND ONE TO PACE.

SO THERE ARE THREE POINTS OF CONNECTION INTO AND THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.

WE'VE SUBMITTED, WE'VE SUBMITTED A TRAFFIC REPORT AND STUDY WAS ORIGINALLY AUTHORED IN 2022.

IT'S CURRENTLY BEING UPDATED TO PICK UP SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL BACKGROUND TRAFFIC THAT MAY HAVE OCCURRED SINCE WE INITIALLY DID IT IN JANUARY.

THE RESULTS OF THAT STUDY FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT ARE THAT WE NEED TO CONSTRUCT NORTH OR I'M SORRY, A NORTH RIGHT TURN LANE INTO THE PARKWAY OR OFF THE PARKWAY INTO THE PROJECT, A SOUTHBOUND LANE AS WELL, AND ALSO A WESTBOUND SOUTH TURN LANE ON EMERSON.

SO THERE'S THREE OFF SITE TURN LANE IMPROVEMENTS, IF YOU WILL, BEING CONSTRUCTED AS PART OF THE AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE PDP PLAN, WE'VE REALLY GONE OUT OF OUR WAY TO TRY AND PRESERVE A LOT OF THE EXISTING TREE STANDS.

IF YOU'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO DRIVE DOWN PACE IN THE PARKWAY AND YOU SEE THOSE TALL PINES THAT HAVE BEEN RETAINED ON THE PROJECT JUST TO THE SOUTH, AGAIN, THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION. THAT SAME EFFORT IS BEING APPLIED TO THIS PROJECT.

SO WE WANT TO WE WANT TO MAINTAIN SOME OF THOSE MATURE PINES AS YOU DRIVE DOWN THE PACE AND THE PARKWAY AND EMERSON NOT ONLY TO PROVIDE SOME COVERAGE FOR THE PROJECT AND THE FOLKS THAT WILL LIVE THERE, BUT ALSO KIND OF KEEP THE RURAL ASPECT AND RESPECT THE CHARACTER OF THE LAND THAT'S IN THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION.

ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO ADD, I NOTICE AND THIS IS MY FAULT.

SO JESSE, I APOLOGIZE.

I NOTICED WHEN I WAS PREPARING FOR THIS THAT THE PHASING PLAN SHOWS YOU PHASES ONE, TWO, THREE AND FOUR.

THOSE ARE CONSISTENT AND ARE THE SAME.

HOWEVER, PHASE ONE IS BEING BROKEN INTO THREE SMALLER SUB PHASES, SO IT'S PHASES ONE, A, B, AND C, STILL THE SAME GEOGRAPHIC AREA, JUST DOING THAT FOR SOME CONSTRUCTION

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SO I HAVE THAT EXHIBIT TO GIVE YOU.

AND JESSE, I'VE GOT THE UPDATED NUMBERS THAT I CAN PROVIDE YOU AS WELL, AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT IT'S IN YOUR NEXT PACKET.

SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THAT I HAVE THAT AND I CAN HAND THAT OUT THIS EVENING.

BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS THAT STAFF HAS.

SO MY APOLOGIES FOR NOT NOT CATCHING THAT SOONER ON THE EXHIBIT.

WE'VE GOT A FEW WETLANDS ON SITE.

WE'RE PRESERVING ALL OF THOSE, AGAIN, PROVIDING AN INTERCONNECTED TRAIL SYSTEM.

PART OF THAT TRAIL SYSTEM IS ALONG THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE THAT BORDERS THE MELBOURNE TILGHMAN CANAL.

THAT TRAIL WILL STAY IN ITS NATURAL STATE.

IT'S A STABILIZED TRAIL, SO IT'S LIKE A HARD PACKED SAND, BUT IT WON'T BE PAVED.

SO TO HAVE THAT NICE SORT OF RURAL CHARACTERISTIC THAT WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH KEEPING THOSE EXISTING TREE STANDS, THOSE THAT TRAIL SYSTEM WILL BE AGAIN INTERCONNECTED TO THE SIDEWALKS THAT PURVEY THROUGH THE PROJECT.

AND WE'LL CONNECT YOU TO THE VARIOUS KIND OF FISHING LOCATIONS, PICNIC TABLE AREAS, BENCHES FOR VIEWING THE WILDLIFE AT THE THE WETLANDS, AND THEN GETTING YOU THROUGH THE UP INTO THE CLUBHOUSE AREA.

SO TRYING TO TO CREATE A SOME NICE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY WHILE PRESERVING THE RURAL CHARACTERISTIC AND THE TREE STANDS IN THE WETLANDS AND ALSO RESPECTING RESPECTING THE LAND WHILE WE DEVELOP WITHIN.

SO WITH THAT, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

OTHERWISE WE JUST RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL.

WELL, THANK YOU, MA'AM. SEE, THIS IS THIS.

THIS PROJECT. YOU HAVE SO DIFFERENT ACCESS POINTS, RIGHT? THE GEOGRAPHY ON THIS PROJECT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

YES, SIR. THAT IS.

THAT'S EXACTLY MY POINT, MA'AM.

IS COLLABORATION WITH OTHER, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY OWNERS SO THAT THAT ENTRANCE ON EMERSON DRIVE.

WHAT'S NOT COVERED IS THAT'S COMMERCIAL FRONTAGE THERE ON THAT EMERSON DRIVE.

CORRECT. TO THOSE OUT PARCELS THAT YOU CAN SEE THE AERIAL IMAGE, THOSE ARE COMMERCIAL PARCELS THAT RECENTLY CAME BEFORE YOU AND THEY OBTAINED COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL ZONING.

AND WE DO NOT OWN THOSE.

THOSE ARE A SEPARATE ENTITY.

SEE THAT THESE TYPES OF ACCESS.

AND I THINK MOVING FORWARD, IF I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY DIFFERENT PROPERTY OWNERS, BUT IDEALLY I LIKE THE MASTERPLAN VISION, KIND OF LIKE AN EVEN THOUGH I MENTIONED THIS BEFORE, BUT LOOKING DOWN RANGE AND WHAT I LOVE ABOUT VIEIRA RIGHT, SINCE A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE VIEIRA, WHAT I LOVE ABOUT. YEAH, RIGHT AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S ONE ONE MASTER PLAN IS THEY ALWAYS INCLUDED DIFFERENT HOUSES OF WORSHIP, YOU KNOW, SO YOU'VE GOT A SYNAGOGUE, YOU'VE GOT A CHRISTIAN CENTER, YOU'VE GOT A CATHOLIC, YOU'VE GOT DIFFERENT WORSHIP CENTERS, AND YOU'VE GOT THE VA CLINIC THERE AND YOU'VE GOT DIFFERENT ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES.

SO THAT THAT'S A VISION THAT PERHAPS YOU CAN RELAY TO TO THOSE CLIENTS IN THAT THAT WHOLE CORRIDOR.

I DON'T SEE ANYTHING LIKE THAT, AND I UNDERSTAND, BUT THESE ARE MY COMMENTS AND IN THE WAY I VISION THE CITY OF PALM BAY, OF COURSE, WE NEED TO ALWAYS LOOK BEYOND JUST SETTING UP HOMES, RIGHT.

AND TOWNHOMES.

AND SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS.

I DO APPRECIATE THE DIFFERENT ACCESS POINTS.

I THINK YOU COULD ACTUALLY ADD ANOTHER.

OFFER. EMERSON IF IF YOU HAD OR EVEN SOMEHOW I DON'T KNOW HOW A BORDERS, BUT I DO APPRECIATE THIS PLAN AS OPPOSED TO THE ONE I JUST VOTED NAY ON.

SURE. I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND THE DIFFERENCE HERE IS THE GEOGRAPHY, RIGHT? AND WHAT'S SURROUNDING ME. SO ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, I'VE GOT A CANAL ON MY EAST SIDE AND I'VE GOT THREE ROADS ON THE OTHER BORDER.

SO IT ALLOWS THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THOSE INTERCONNECTIONS AND TO SPEAK TO THE MASTER PLAN A LITTLE BIT.

YOU KNOW, LENNAR TO, YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPERS DON'T USUALLY GET A LOT OF KUDOS FOR THEIR LAYOUT AND DESIGN.

USUALLY YOU'RE HEARING SORT OF THE NEGATIVE COMPONENTS WHEN YOU COME TO THESE MEETINGS.

SO I'D LIKE TO TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMPLIMENT THEM.

IN PARTICULAR, EDGEWOOD IS THE EDGEWOOD IS A PLACE THAT IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

THIS IS THE NEXT PART OF THAT PROJECT.

YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR ME COME BEFORE YOU NEXT MONTH OR THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT, WHICH IS TO THE NORTH.

AND HOPEFULLY I REALIZE IT WAS CONTINUED THIS EVENING, BUT HOPEFULLY YOU'LL SEE ME AT THE NOVEMBER 17TH MEETING TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE PROPERTY ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PARKWAY.

AND THEY DID REALLY LOOK AT THIS ENTIRE PROJECT ORGANICALLY AND AS A WHOLE.

AND SO YOU'LL SEE WHEN YOU GET THE PICTURE TO SEE THE THE WHOLE PICTURE, HOW THEY DID INTEGRATE ALL THOSE ROADWAY CONNECTIONS, HOW THE TRAIL SYSTEMS INTERACT.

AND THEY REALLY DID PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT AND EFFORT BETWEEN NOT ONLY SORT OF, I WOULD SAY BRANDING THIS, BUT COMING UP WITH A THEME THAT REALLY SUITED

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SO I DO FEEL IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE THAT WE WERE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING UNIQUE BECAUSE THEY, THEY, THEY OWNED A LARGE TRACT OF LAND WHICH ALLOWED THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THOSE ROADWAY INTERCONNECTIONS AND THOUGHTFULLY, YOU KNOW.

COME TO THOSE INTERSECTIONS AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS THEIR SAFETY, THE SIDEWALKS AND THAT SORT OF THING.

SO WE'RE ABLE TO TREAT IT NOT AS AN AFTERTHOUGHT IN WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH, BUT BEING ABLE TO SORT OF SET THE COURSE FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.

ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL. COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO, 55 AND UP.

COMMUNITY C, 150 VILLAS, 234 TOWNHOMES, OR 36 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

I DO LIKE THE DIVERSITY.

I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

SO IT DOES. EMERSON IS GOING TO CONNECT TO PACE FROM THIS COMMUNITY, RIGHT? DO I SEE A ROAD CONNECTING EMERSON? SO THERE'S AN INTERNAL ROADWAY.

THIS WILL BE A GATED COMMUNITY, BUT THERE ISN'T.

THERE'S AN INTERNAL CONNECTION NORTH, SOUTH, WHERE THE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL BE ABLE TO GET BETWEEN PACE AND EMERSON WITHOUT GOING ON TO THE PARKWAY.

YES, SIR. OKAY. AND THEN I BROUGHT THIS UP LAST TIME WHEN WE APPROVED THE COMMERCIAL ON EMERSON AND HERITAGE, THE TRAFFIC LIGHT, IS THERE GOING TO BE A TRAFFIC LIGHT ON PACE OR IS THERE GOING BE A TRAFFIC LIGHT ON EMERSON AT THE HERITAGE PARKWAY? AT SOME POINT IN TIME THERE WILL BE A TRAFFIC LIGHT AT EMERSON AND THE PARKWAY.

YES, SIR. THANK YOU.

ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS I HAVE? OF COURSE. COUNCILMAN FOSTER, I'M A LITTLE STRUCK WHEN YOU SAY AT SOME POINT IN TIME.

CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THAT A LITTLE BIT? SURE. SO BASED ON THE TRAFFIC DATA THAT WE HAVE TODAY, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IS NOT TRIPPED THE THRESHOLD TO CONSTRUCT A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT THAT PARTICULAR INTERSECTION.

HOWEVER, AND GETTING A LITTLE AHEAD OF MYSELF BECAUSE IT'S A PROJECT THAT WE'VE CONTINUED.

BUT THERE'S ANOTHER PROJECT THAT IS WILL BE COMING IN TO THE CITY FOR REVIEW, AND THAT TRAFFIC STUDY WILL BE A MORE COMPREHENSIVE STUDY, MEANING IT'S LARGER THAT WE'LL BE TAKING A WIDER ARRAY.

LOOK AT ALL OF THESE INTERSECTIONS.

AND AT THAT POINT IN TIME, WE WOULD PROBABLY WE WILL HAVE A BETTER IDEA WHEN THESE TYPES OF IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE REQUIRED AND BASED ON NUMBER OF UNITS CONSTRUCTED AND SO ON.

AND COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO IS RIGHT.

IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE A TRAFFIC LIGHT THERE.

YOU KNOW. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I DRIVE THERE, I DRIVE THROUGH THERE A LOT, AND AND I COULD I COULD SEE WHY.

BUT LIKE YOU SAID, IT DIDN'T TRIP TO TO WARN AT ONE.

WHAT ABOUT THIS PROJECT LIGHTING ALONG ST JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY? STREET LIGHTING? YEAH.

ALONG THE PARKWAY. WE HAVE LIGHTING FROM THERE.

FROM THE. FROM THE PROJECTS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE LIKE LAMPS.

THAT'S SO GENERALLY SPEAKING, THERE'LL BE LIKE RESIDENTIAL LIGHTING THAT WOULD BE CONTRACT WITH FPL THROUGH VARIOUS PROCESSES.

BUT THE STANDARD LIGHT POLES OR YOU COULD HAVE THE POST TOP TRADITIONAL, WHICH IS LIKE BLACK, THEY JUST HAVE A DIFFERENT A DIFFERENT LOOK TO THEM.

BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING THAT THAT'S WHAT WOULD OCCUR IN THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.

THERE IS NO WHAT ARE YOU WHAT ARE THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO DO AS FAR AS LIGHTING ALONG THAT COURT? DO YOU HAVE ANY PLANS? THAT'S ONE. WE DO NOT HAVE ANY PLANS TO LIGHT THE PARKWAY AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

NO, SIR. LIGHTING COMING FROM YOUR DEVELOPMENT.

NOT NOT A LIGHT, A LAMP POLE, A STREET LAMP POLE.

NO. I MEAN, WE'LL HAVE LIKE A MONUMENT SIGN LIGHTING THAT THAT WOULD BE LIT, BUT WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANY SPILLOVER LIGHTING THAT WOULD THAT WOULD CAUSE A BE ANY CAUSE OF CONCERN THAT WOULD IMPACT ANY KIND OF VEHICULAR TRAFFIC, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.

YEAH. SO YOU.

PUT IN THIS TRAFFIC STUDY, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE Y A TURN LANE.

YES, SIR. EAST AND WEST.

WELL, THAT'D BE SO. THERE'LL BE TWO TURN LANES ALONG THE PARKWAY, NORTH AND SOUTHBOUND.

NORTH AND SOUTH. GOING INTO THIS PROJECT, GOING INTO THIS PROJECT, AND THEN THESE LANES GOING TO BE HOW LONG THE TRAIN LINES THEMSELVES.

I WANT TO SAY THERE ARE 205 FEET.

YEAH, THEY'RE A LITTLE OVER 200 FEET.

THAT'S BASED ON THE SPEED, THE NUMBER OF UNITS, THE DECELERATION LANE.

THEY'RE CONSTRUCTED BASED ON DOT STANDARDS BECAUSE THE SPEED ON THAT PARKWAY LIKE 45, I BELIEVE.

YES, SIR. 45 MILES AN HOUR.

YEAH. SO THE DESIGN, THE POSTED SPEED IS 45, BUT THE DESIGN SPEED IS 50.

AND SO I LOOKED IT UP THE THE TURN LANE LENGTH IS ACTUALLY.

IT IS.

290 FEET.

LONG WOULD BE THE TURN LANE THAT WILL BE CONSTRUCTING.

BUT ENOUGH TO SLOW DOWN, ACTUALLY.

YES. IF THEY'RE GOING 45 AND YEAH, THERE'S A 240, THERE'S A 240 FOOT DECELERATION LANE THAT'S PART OF THAT LENGTH AND THEN A 50 FOOT QUEUE.

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I THINK IT PROBABLY HAPPENED WHEN YOU HAD WE HAD SORT OF A ROTATION OF PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTORS AT THE TIME, SO THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION.

SO IN THIS UPDATED TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING, BASED ON YOUR CITY'S COMMENTS, WE'RE GOING TO INCORPORATE THAT IN TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT DOESN'T GET MISSED AND GETS PICKED UP. I BELIEVE FRANK HAD THAT CONVERSATION WITH MS..

SHERMAN EARLIER THIS MORNING JUST SO THAT YOU GUYS ARE AWARE THAT THAT'S HAPPENING.

OK. ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.

COUNCIL OF THE APPLICANT.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. YES, SIR.

SPEAKER CARTER'S DEPUTY MAYOR.

AND HENRY WITH.

HI. GOOD EVENING.

I WAS JUST WATCHING THIS ON FACEBOOK AND ONE OF THE COUNCILMEN, I CAN'T TELL YOU WHO BECAUSE I JUMPED IN MY CAR AND CAME HERE.

I TALKED ABOUT STAYING IN PLACE.

I DON'T HAVE THAT. COUNCIL MAN WAS HERE WHEN THE FIRES WERE GOING.

AND WE HAD TO BE OUTING OUR NEIGHBORS HOUSES WHEN THAT FIRE.

NOW, THAT'S A FIRE HAZARD UP THERE.

YOU'RE TRAPPED IN.

WITH ALL THESE HOUSES.

SO I NEED FOR YOU GUYS TO TAKE IN CONSIDERATION.

WE CAN'T STAY PUT IN A FIRE.

AND WE CAN'T GO AGAINST THE ADVICE OF THE CITY WHEN IT'S TIME TO EVACUATE AND STAY PUT.

SO THERE HAS TO BE ACCESS TO THE OTHER DAY THERE WAS A FOOTBALL GAME TO ME, 25 MINUTES TO TURN OFF OF HERITAGE ON TO MALABAR.

SO WE CAN'T WAIT TO WHENEVER A TRAFFIC LIGHT CHOOSES TO COME.

A CAR ALREADY RAN THROUGH THERE RIGHT ACROSS.

THAT'S WHEN YOU GUYS PUT THE FLASHING LIGHTS.

SO WE NEED TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.

LIVES ARE AT STAKE.

NOT JUST TO CONSTRUCTION AND ITS BEAUTIFUL HOMES AND ALL THE TAXES WE CAN COLLECT, BUT THE SAFETY OF OUR CHILDREN AND THE SAFETY OF THE PEOPLE HERE AS A FIRE HAZARD.

AND IT IS ALSO A TRAFFIC HAZARD.

SO I NEED YOU GUYS TO BE AWARE.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS LIVE UP THAT SIDE, BUT I LIVE RIGHT THERE.

MY HERITAGE ON THE AND THE THING.

I CAN'T EVEN COME OUT IF I DON'T COME OUT AT 6:00, I'M DOOMED.

IT WAS AN ACCIDENT THE OTHER DAY BECAUSE SOMEONE IS TRYING TO COME OUT AND IT WAS A HUSH HUSH HUSH.

SO PLEASE CONSIDER ALL OF THAT BEFORE YOU VOTE.

THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM.

I THINK THE ITEM THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE HEARD ON ON WAS THE PREVIOUS ITEM THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING ON WEST.

THANK YOU FOR COMING.

I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR COMING, BUT I THINK WE VOTED ON THAT.

THE ONE ON WEST? YEAH, THE ONE WEST OF OF HERITAGE HIGH SCHOOL.

WAS THAT. WELL, IT WAS APPROVED 3 TO 2.

BUT YES, MA'AM, THAT THAT ITEM PASSED 3 TO 2.

IF THAT'S THE ITEM YOU WERE SPEAKING ABOUT, THIS IS ANOTHER ITEM.

BUT I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU COMING.

AND THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES IS ENGAGEMENT, MA'AM.

AND I'M SORRY, BUT IT WAS.

IT WAS APPROVED 3 TO 2.

THANK YOU. ISABEL.

RIGHT. AND THEN PHILLIP CORCORAN.

HI. ISABEL.

RIGHT. EIGHT, FIVE, EIGHT. BRISBANE STREET.

NO FEES. I'M PALM BAY.

I'VE BEEN SITTING HERE AND I'VE BEEN PRAYING TO SEE IF I SHOULD COME UP HERE.

NOT BECAUSE THESE AREAS ARE REALLY NOT WHERE I LIVE, BUT I THINK THAT IN MY SPIRIT I FEEL THAT YOU GUYS NEED TO BE AWARE OF CERTAIN THINGS.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING ALMOST 2000 HOUSES.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING ALL THOSE VEHICLES AND EVERYBODY'S TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC.

LET'S TALK ABOUT THE PRESSURE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PUT ON OUR POLICE OFFICERS, OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT, IN OUR HOSPITALS.

THIS COMPANY, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO YOU, IT'S GOING TO MAKE HOW MANY BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OFF OF THESE PEOPLE BECAUSE THE AVERAGE HOME IS $350,000.

THAT AS IT IS, MOST PEOPLE CANNOT AFFORD.

MY DAUGHTER'S BEEN TRYING TO BUY A HOME.

SHE CAN'T BECAUSE SHE CAN'T AFFORD $350,000 ON THE SALARY SHE MAKES FOR THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

AND THAT'S JUST ONE PERSON.

NOW WE'RE ADDING 1800 UNITS OF HOMES.

WHO'S GOING TO BUY THOSE HOMES BECAUSE WE CAN'T AFFORD IT? I CAN'T AFFORD A $350,000 HOME.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE HERE CAN, BUT WE NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION NOT JUST THE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET FOR IMPACT FEES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

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BUT DO YOU LIVE IN PALM BAY TO KNOW WHAT PALM BAY NEEDS? IS YOUR BUILDER LIVING HERE IN PALM BAY KNOWS WHAT PALM BAY NEEDS.

WE NEED OUR OFFICERS TO BE SUPPORTIVE.

WE NEED OUR HOSPITALS TO HAVE ROOM FOR OUR PEOPLE.

WE NEED OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT TO BE AVAILABLE TO GO IN IN CASE OF AN EMERGENCY, NOT HAVE ONE ROAD TO GO DOWN IN CASE OF A SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS.

AND THE POLICE NEEDS TO GO DOWN.

WHAT ROUTE? BECAUSE THERE'S TWO LANES, ONE IN IN.

IF THEY'RE BOTH FALL, HOW IS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SUPPOSED TO GET THERE? HOW IS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SUPPOSED TO GET THERE TO SAVE SOMEBODY'S LIFE? WHAT IF IT'S YOUR CHILD THAT'S DROWNING AND THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO IT? THINK ABOUT THOSE THINGS WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT YOUR COMPANY IS GOING TO MAKE, DONATE THE MONEY SO WE CAN GET A FREE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

AND THAT'S RIGHT.

MISS, YOU GOT TO YOU GOT TO BE HERE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT WE AS A COMMUNITY, THIS LADY DOES, MA'AM.

OH, I HAVE A RIGHT TO SPEAK.

YES, MA'AM. DIRECT ALL YOUR COMMENTS.

OKAY. BUT WE NEED TO YOU ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS, YOU NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.

THIS LADY JUST DROVE OVER HERE TO MAKE A COMMENT, AND YOU GUYS ARE VOTING ON THE SPOT.

WE NEED TO HAVE THE ABILITY FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT A QUASI HEARING IS, BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS.

THEY DON'T KNOW THAT THEY NEED TO COME WITH FACTS.

THEY'RE COMING HERE WITH EMOTIONS BECAUSE THEY LIVE HERE.

THEY LOVE IT HERE, AND THEY PARTICIPATE IN EVERYTHING HERE.

I THINK THIS LADY IS AN HONORABLE PERSON AND WE NEED TO RESPECT THAT.

THIS COMMUNITY IS TIRED OF GETTING ALL THESE BUILDINGS AND ALL THESE APARTMENTS AND ALL THESE HOUSING.

WHO'S GOING TO BUY THEM? WHO'S GOING TO RENT THERE? WE NEED TO ASK FOR MORE.

THEY NEED TO GIVE US MORE, MORE, MORE OFFICERS, MORE FIRES, FIRES AND EVERYTHING.

WOW. CHARGE IT MORE MONEY BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE A LOT OF MONEY OFF OF OUR LAND THAT'S HERE.

AND I'M JUST SAYING THAT I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY AGREES WITH ME OR NOT.

I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

WELL, OF CORCORAN. SO, MA'AM, WE ARE LOOKING AT INCREASING OUR IMPACT FEES.

AND AGAIN, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR COMING.

HOWEVER THAT WAS VOTED ON.

SHE GOT HERE JUST A LITTLE LATE.

MR. COCHRAN. NO, I UNDERSTAND.

SMACK IN INCOMING TEN YEARS DIALOG, MA'AM.

I'M NOT MAKING A DIALOG.

I'M JUST MAKING A COMMENT FOR YOU.

MR. COCHRAN, PLEASE.

OK PHILIP CORCORAN 1878 WHEN BROOK DRIVE.

I WANT TO STATE THAT IN SUMMERFIELD WE'VE HAD TWO FIRES SINCE 2008.

LET'S PLAN FOR IT.

LET'S NOT STICK OUR HEADS IN THE SAND AND SAY IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE WHEN IT DOES HAPPEN, IT'S TOO LATE.

I WANT TO GIVE EVERYBODY ON THE CITY COUNCIL A LITTLE HOMEWORK TO DO.

COME DOWN HERITAGE PARKWAY AT 3:00 PM WHEN THAT SCHOOL'S LETTING OUT.

YOU WON'T MOVE FOR 10 MINUTES.

WE DO HAVE DATA ON THIS.

I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE GREEN SPACE.

AND WE'VE. WE'VE.

WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED 885 HOMES TONIGHT.

NOW WE'VE GOT ANOTHER 840.

WHERE'S THE GREEN SPACE? DON'T TELL ME IT'S ONE OF THE CITY PARKS.

I WANT IT. I WANT TO KNOW THE PERCENTAGE OF GREEN SPACE IN THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE BEING DEVELOPED.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

AND ANY FINAL COMMENTS.

I GUESS I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IS IS PART OF BEING A COMMUNITY PARTNER, ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTED, BUILT, AND IT'S CURRENTLY OPERATIONAL.

THE WATERLINE EXTENSION FROM JUST NORTH OF MALABAR ROAD ON THE PARKWAY ALL THE WAY UP TO EMERSON, TURNED EAST ON EMERSON AND MADE THE CONNECTION ACROSS THE CANAL.

THEY ALSO BROUGHT THE FORCE MAIN UP I UP THAT SAME LINE, AND IT'S CURRENTLY SITTING AT THE INTERSECTION OF EMERSON AND THE PARKWAY.

I BRING UP THE WATERLINE PARTICULARLY BECAUSE FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT IT'S PUBLIC RECORD AND KNOWLEDGE THAT THE PRESSURE IN THE WATER SYSTEM AND THAT WESTERN SECTION OF PALM BAY WAS NOT IDEAL, CERTAINLY NOT IDEAL FOR FIGHTING FIRE PURPOSES.

SO BRINGING THAT WATER MAIN UP THE PARKWAY AND MAKING THAT INTERCONNECTION TO EMERSON CERTAINLY WILL HELP THIS PROJECT.

BUT HOWEVER, THE GREATER GOOD IS IT'S IT'S IMPROVING THE PRESSURES IN THE SYSTEM FOR THE EXISTING RESIDENTS THAT ARE OUT THERE NOW.

SO THERE IS A PUBLIC GOOD THERE.

WITH RESPECT TO THE OPEN SPACE, YOU CAN SEE THE NUMBERS THAT ARE IN ON THE MAP THAT ARE IN YOUR PACKAGE.

IT CLEARLY POINTS OUT WHAT THE OPEN SPACE PERCENTAGE PROVIDED IS.

AND I GUESS JUST MAYBE I DON'T NEED TO SAY THIS, BUT I FEEL LIKE I SHOULD I JUST I'VE LIVED HERE SINCE I WAS EIGHT YEARS OLD.

IT'S OVER 30 YEARS. I DON'T TELL YOU HOW OLD I AM, BUT OLD ENOUGH.

I'VE LIVED HERE LONG ENOUGH TO HAVE PROBABLY ILLEGALLY.

SO OFFICER, PLEASE DON'T LISTEN.

BE ON A FOUR WHEELER OUT THERE AT THE HOLE IN THE DONUT OR OUT AT DEGROOTE BACK IN THE DAY WHEN YOU HAD JETSKIS ON IT.

I'VE RIDDEN HORSES ALONG THIS ENTIRE PROPERTY WHEN IT WAS PLATTS AT THE NORTH END AND MR.

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SO I'VE BEEN HERE FOR A VERY, VERY LONG TIME.

MY FAMILY STILL LIVES HERE.

NO, I DON'T SPECIFICALLY RESIDE IN PALM BAY, BUT I DO CONSIDER THIS MY HOME.

SO I WOULD JUST LIKE YOU TO KNOW THAT.

AND AGAIN. YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? PLEASE FEEL FREE TO ASK. THANK YOU, MA'AM.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. THAT CONCLUDES YOUR COMMENTS, SIR.

THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND WHAT IS COUNCIL'S PLEASURE? SO MOVED. SECOND AD A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN FELIX.

DEPUTY MAYOR. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I'LL BE BRIEF. THIS. THIS PROJECT I FEEL A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE WITH ALSO WITH IT BEING PHASED OUT TO 2026.

THE THREE ACCESS POINTS, THE TURN LANES, THE AMENITIES, A LOT A LOT OF THE PEOPLE HERE WILL BE MORE SO STAYING ON SITE.

BUT IN THE CASE WHERE THEY DO NEED IF IF THEY DO NEED TO EVACUATE, THEY CAN WITH THIS WITH THE THREE ACCESS POINTS.

SO I FEEL A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS ITEM.

AND I WAS YOU KNOW, I SHARE MY CONCERNS ON THE LAST ONE, BUT THIS ONE I FEEL A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE WITH.

SIR, I. I UNDERSTAND.

COUNCILMAN FELIX, ANOTHER NOTHING TO ADD.

ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL.

SO. DEPUTY MAYOR, YOU'RE RIGHT.

I WISH THE PREVIOUS ONE WOULD HAVE NOT.

IT WOULD HAVE PROBABLY PUT THEM IN A POSITION TO HAVE DIALOG WITH THE OTHER OWNERS TO SEE IF SOMETHING CAN WORK OUT WITH DIFFERENT ACCESS POINTS.

BECAUSE IT IS IT IS TO ME, WAS MAYBE LETTING THEM KNOW, HEY, WE WANT THIS DEVELOPED WITH THE SITE OF TEN YEARS DOWN RANGE, THE ACCESS POINTS HERE AND THE ABILITY TO MOVE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY AND NOT HAVE TO GO OUT ON ON THE OTHER CORRIDORS WAS A WAS THE POINT FOR ME PUBLIC SAFETY WISE, I THINK THIS IS A MUCH BETTER PROJECT. AND SO I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.

SO I GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN FELIX.

ALL IN FAVOR.

I ANY OPPOSE.

THE HOUSE IS 4 TO 1.

WE ARE NOW ON CONSENT.

[CONSENT AGENDA ]

ANY OTHER ITEMS COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO PULL.

OKAY. SEEING NONE, I NEED A MOTION.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH THE REMOVAL OF ITEMS FOUR AND SEVEN.

THEY CAN. WE GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN FOSTER.

ALL IN FAVOR? ANY. ANY OPPOSE PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

MISS SMITH OR 2020 2-1 20 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY RIVER COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE FISCAL YEAR 2022 BUDGET BY APPROPRIATE AND ALLOCATING FUNDS.

IDENTIFY AND EXHIBIT A SYSTEM OF FIVE PAGES AND INCORPORATE IT IN ITS ENTIRETY HEREIN.

RECOGNIZING THAT SUCH APPROPRIATIONS MUST BE MADE PURSUANT TO CODE OF ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY CHAPTER 35.

ADOPTING, RATIFYING, CONFIRMING AND VALIDATING THE ALLOCATIONS PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. GOING.

ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

DEPUTY MAYOR RANDOLPH KOSKI.

GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR. COUNCIL RANDALL OLSZEWSKI 348.

BROOKINGS STREET, NORTHEAST.

I DID FORGET TO FILL OUT A CARD FOR NUMBER SEVEN, SO I'M JUST GOING TO SAY AQUA FORCE.

BUT NUMBER FOUR, SOUTH REGIONAL WATER TREATMENT PLANT EXPANSION.

THE STINKY SITUATION RIGHT HERE, WE HAVE A NEARLY $10 MILLION PROJECT THAT IS TIPPED OVER 10 MILLION WITH PREVIOUS CHANGE ORDERS.

I NEED ANOTHER 367,000 TO HOPEFULLY GET IT OVER THE LINE.

I'M A BIG FAN OF THIS PROJECT, THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT, AND I'D LIKE TO BE CORRECTED IF I'M WRONG IS THIS IS GOING TO INCREASE OUR CAPACITY TO PRODUCE AND PUT FORTH FRESH WATER, POTABLE WATER. HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET SOME MORE ACCESS TO THE FOLKS THAT LIVE RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER FROM IT.

AREN'T GOING TO BE ABLE TO IMMEDIATELY AFTER IT'S DONE.

BUT ADDITIONALLY, IT WILL TREAT WASTEWATER.

SO THIS IS GOING TO VASTLY EXPAND AND THEREFORE TAKE AWAY FROM THE NORTHERN SECTION.

SO OVERALL, FANTASTIC PROJECT I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT.

IT STINKS THAT WE GOT TO KEEP SPENDING MORE AND MORE MONEY WHERE I'M WORRIED ABOUT THIS 367,000 IS THE WAY THAT I READ THE LEGISLATIVE MEMORANDUM, SO TO SPEAK,

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AND I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY WHICH FUND THAT IS, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S GENERAL FUND, UN DESIGNATED FUND BALANCE.

I THINK IT'S ONE OF THOSE FANCY UTILITY FUNDS.

BUT I WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT TO BE FACT, BECAUSE IT IS IF IT IS FROM GENERAL FUND, THAT'S A VERY BIG DEAL.

IT'S A BIG DEAL NO MATTER WHAT.

BUT THEN ALSO, JUST AS A SAKE OF UNDERSTANDING, BALLPARK WILL BE FINE ONCE WE REDUCE WHICHEVER DESIGNATED FUND, HOW MUCH IS LEFT IN THE PIGGY BANK AFTER THIS PARTICULAR CHANGE ORDER FOR AGAIN, 367,000 ORIGINAL PROJECT COST 9.7 MILLION.

MANY CHANGE ORDERS.

I BELIEVE THIS ONE IS THE SEVENTH SO FAR AND I DO NOT ANTICIPATE IT'LL BE THE LAST.

BUT HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS CAN CORRECT ME ON THAT TOO AND TELL ME IT WILL BE SO.

THANK YOU AND I HOPE YOU CAN FILL IN SOME OF THOSE GAPS.

THANK YOU, SIR. MADAM CHAIRMAN, I CAN ANSWER TWO OF THE THREE QUESTIONS WITH CERTAINTY.

THIS THIS PARTICULAR CHANGE ORDER IS RELATED TO THE WATER PORTION OF THE PLANT ONLY AND NOT THE WASTEWATER PORTION.

TWO SEPARATE PROJECTS.

THIS IS ONLY UTILITIES FUNDED, SO ONLY UTILITIES ON DESIGNATED FUND BALANCE, NOT GENERAL FUND.

AND I WILL LOOK TO CHRIS TO SEE IF HE HAS THE NUMBER HANDY.

WE'LL HAVE TO GET THAT GET THAT TO YOU.

AS A FOLLOW UP ITEM.

I DON'T HAVE THAT. A FUN BALANCE NUMBER WITH ME.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER SPEAKER, SIR? OKAY. I MEAN, MOST.

SO MOVED. SECOND MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN FOSTER.

ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION, GENTLEMEN? SEEING NONE ALL IN FAVOR BY ANY NAYS.

PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.

BILL BATTEN. BILL BATTEN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST. I WAS SHOCKED WHEN I SAW THIS $75,000.

I THOUGHT, DIDN'T WE JUST BUY A BOAT? THAT'S WHAT FLASHED THROUGH MY MIND.

BUT, YOU KNOW, BILL BATTEN.

SO I MADE MY PHONE CALLS AND FOUND OUT IT'S TAKEN THIS LONG FOR THE CITY.

THAT'S HOW SLOW THE SPENDING OF GOVERNMENT FUNDS TAKES TO FIND OUT THAT THIS WAS A PROJECT FROM ALMOST TWO YEARS AGO, THAT WE'RE NOW JUST ACTUALLY GETTING THE BOAT WHEN YOU GORGEOUS BOAT.

I'M VERY PROUD OF WHAT WAS PICKED.

IT'S FINALLY HAPPENING.

SO I JUST WANT TO SAY A BRAVO ZULU TO THAT.

I JUST WISH I COULD BE AS SLOW IN PAYING MY GOVERNMENT AS THEY ARE GIVING ME MY MONEY BACK.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. MADAM SHERMAN, ANY COMMENTS? OKAY. I NEED A MOTION TO MOVE.

SO A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN FOSTER.

ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION, GENTLEMEN? SEEING NONE ALL IN FAVOR.

AND HE OPPOSED PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

WE ARE NOW ON AN O.

[PROCUREMENTS ]

ITEM NUMBER ONE, MADAM SHERMAN.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO ASK JULIETTE MOSCONI, OUR CHIEF PROCUREMENT OFFICER, TO SPEAK THROUGH THIS ONE.

FOR US, IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT.

IT HELPS US QUICKLY, HOPEFULLY QUICKLY MEET SOME OF OUR CAPITAL GOALS FOR THE YEAR.

OUTSTANDING. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.

YOU'LL RECALL JUST TWO NIGHTS AGO I WAS BEFORE YOU AND YOU MENTIONED MAYOR, THE COMMITMENT THE COUNCIL HAS MADE TO ACQUIRING VEHICLES FOR PUBLIC SERVICE AND HOW IMPORTANT IT WAS TO COUNCIL TO ACQUIRE THEM QUICKLY.

AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HAD THE MOST UNPRECEDENTED VEHICLE MARKET IN RECENT HISTORY, AND WE HAVE HAD SUCH A HARD TIME ACQUIRING VEHICLES IN OUR TRADITIONAL METHODS, WHICH IS USUALLY USING OUR COOPERATIVE CONTRACTS FROM THE STATE OF FLORIDA OR THE FLORIDA SHERIFFS ASSOCIATION.

SO WHEN WE SAW THIS HUGE AMOUNT OF CAPITAL FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WE GOT TOGETHER AS A TEAM, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, PROCUREMENT AND FLEET, AND WE CAME UP WITH A STRATEGY WHERE WE WOULD NOT USE THOSE CONTRACTS AND WE WOULD QUOTE THE MARKETPLACE.

I SPENT ONE WHOLE DAY CALLING DEALERS AND GAUGING THEIR INTEREST, INCLUDING ALL OF OUR LOCAL DEALERS, FOR THESE TYPES OF VEHICLES.

WE DID A VERY QUICK TWO WEEK TURNAROUND, QUOTE, REQUEST.

THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAD ALREADY RECEIVED SOME QUOTES, SO WE CONSIDERED THOSE AS WELL.

SO WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE YOU IS THE MAJORITY OF THOSE VEHICLES REQUESTING TO PURCHASE THEM.

THIS IS REQUESTING TO WAIVE THE FORMAL PROCUREMENT PROCESS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT USING A COOPERATIVE AND WE DIDN'T DO SEALED FORMAL BIDS.

BUT IT IS A WAY TO ACQUIRE THE MAJORITY OF OUR VEHICLES QUICKLY.

THE INTERCEPTORS ARE THE LARGEST PORTION OF THIS PURCHASE.

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THE PARTICULAR DEALER THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH, THE REP HAS 45 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE AND HE PLACED HIS ORDER WITH FORD QUICKLY AFTER THE ORDINARY WINDOW OPENED.

SO HE ASSURES US THESE VEHICLES WILL BE SOMEWHERE IN THE 120 TO 180 DAY DELIVERY.

WE ALSO HAVE TWO VEHICLES ON HERE THAT ARE ACTUALLY NEW, BUT THEY'RE 20, 22 AND THAT'S THE POLICE ADMIN VEHICLE.

AND THE MOST RECENT ADDITION THAT WE ADDED TODAY, THE TRAFFIC TRUCK.

SO THOSE ARE ACTUALLY ON THE GROUND AND WOULD BE DELIVERED TO THE CITY WITHIN TWO WEEKS OF ISSUING THE PURCHASE ORDER.

STAFF'S WORKED HARD AND ALREADY PUT IN REQUISITIONS SO THAT IF THIS IS APPROVED BY YOU TONIGHT, I CAN CUT PURCHASE ORDERS FOR ALL THESE VEHICLES TOMORROW MORNING.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

I HAVE A COMMENT, MA'AM, AND I JUST WANT TO KUDOS TO YOU AND OUR PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICIALS.

THIS IS THIS IS THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX.

THIS IS REALLY GOING AFTER IT.

I UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGES OF VEHICLES TODAY, AND THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR US.

WE'VE ALLOCATED FUNDING AND WE COULDN'T FIND VEHICLES.

AND SO FOR YOU TO THIS WAS AN UNDONE TASK.

I KNOW YOU MAKE IT SEEM SO SIMPLE WITH YOUR COMMENTS, BUT THANK YOU FOR THE HARD WORK YOU AND YOUR TEAM HAVE ACCOMPLISHED.

I'M EXCITED THAT WE'RE WE'RE ABOUT TO GET SOME VEHICLES WITHIN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS AND AN OUTSTANDING JOB TO THE CHIEF AND AND HIS STAFF.

THIS IS REALLY COLLABORATION AND AND I LOVE THAT.

RIGHT. BUT I ALSO LOVE THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX HOW CAN WE MAKE THIS WORK? AND BEING JOHNNY ON THE SPOT, IT'S AN OLD TERM.

I KNOW MOST OF MY COLLEAGUES ARE YOUNGER THAN I, BUT I WANT TO COMMEND YOU FOR ALL THE HARD WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE, MA'AM, AND THE ENTIRE TEAM.

THANK YOU. THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.

I DON'T HAVE QUESTIONS, COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO.

THANK YOU, MARY. JUST A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

THE WAIVER OF THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS IS ONLY PERTAINING TO THIS ITEM AND NOT FUTURE ITEMS. CORRECT. AND WE WOULD NOT HAVE ANY OTHER.

THE WAIVER OF THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS IS SET VERY, VERY LOW.

IT'S 25,000.

IF WE SPEND ANYTHING OVER 25,000 WITHOUT FOLLOWING OUR PROCUREMENT ORDINANCE, WE'RE COMING BACK TO COUNCIL.

ALL RIGHT. SO AGAIN, JUST THE WAIVER OF THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS IS ONLY PERTAINING TO THIS ITEM.

AND NO, NO OTHER ITEMS IN THE FUTURE.

YES, SIR. THANK YOU.

ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OF STAFF.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. DEPUTY MAYOR, ANY COMMON CARDS ON THIS ITEM? I NEED A MOTION TO MOVE.

A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON, SECOND SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN FELIX.

ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION? THE ANON ALL IN FAVOR SIGNAL BY SAYING I.

HI. ANY OPPOSE PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

ITEM NUMBER ONE, UNFINISHED BUSINESS.

SORRY. BEFORE WE GO, SPEAKING OF FINISHING ON UNFINISHED BUSINESS, IF WE CAN REFER TO CITY ATTORNEY ON ITEM NUMBER SEVEN FOR CONSENT AGENDA, SHE JUST.

OH, WELL, THANK YOU, MA'AM.

SEE IF I HAD LIGHTS.

I'LL JUST SAY THAT AGAIN.

YES, MA'AM. CARRY ON.

I WAS GOING THROUGH THE AGENDA, AND YOU DID APPROVE THE CONSIDERATION OF THE GRANT.

BUT ALSO THERE IS A RESOLUTION THAT IS ATTACHED TO THAT GRANT.

RESOLUTION 22, DASH 14.

SO I DO NEED TO READ THE CAPTION OF THAT.

OKAY, CARRY ON, MA'AM.

RESOLUTION 22.

THAT'S 14. A RESOLUTION.

THE CITY OF PALM BAY. BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZES THE SUBMISSION OF A GRANT APPLICATION TO THE FLORIDA INLAND NAVIGATION DISTRICT AND AUTHORIZING A CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY ATTORNEY TO NEGOTIATE AND EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF PALM BAY AND THE FLORIDA FLORIDA INLAND NAVIGATION DISTRICT TO SECURE A WATERWAY ASSISTANT PROGRAM GRANT FOR A MARINE PATROL VESSEL PROVIDED FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. AND THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR.

YOU KNOW, WHEN I WHEN I.

I SHOULD HAVE YIELDED.

BUT WHAT I KEPT THINKING ABOUT THIS ITEM WAS AQUA PATROL IS IS WHAT? RANDALL OLSZEWSKI.

IT WAS RESOUNDING.

SO JUST A LITTLE SHOUT OUT TO TO RANDALL AQUA PATROL.

BUT NOW WE'RE ON UNFINISHED AND OLD BUSINESS.

[UNFINISHED AND OLD BUSINESS ]

SECOND, GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO.

ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION? ONLY DISCUSSION.

SO I HAD THIS PAPER PRIOR TO YOU EVEN SPEAKING, MA'AM.

SO BASED OFF YOUR APPLICATION, COUNTY COUNCIL SELECTED YOU BEFORE YOU EVEN SPOKE.

SO. YES, MA'AM.

SO THAT'S ALL, MAYOR.

WE GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMEN OR DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO.

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OK. CONGRATULATIONS, MA'AM.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SERVE THIS CITY.

THANK YOU. SO WE'RE ON NOW.

[NEW BUSINESS (Part 2 of 2)]

THANK YOU, MAYOR. THIS IS ANOTHER CO-SPONSORSHIP REQUEST.

THIS ONE IS FROM BLAZING TRAILS FOR A STEM POWER DAY THAT THEY ARE GOING TO HOLD NEXT WEEK.

THE CO-SPONSORSHIP REQUEST IS FROM A 500 1C3.

THE EVENT WILL PROMOTE THE CITY AS A DESIRABLE PLACE TO LIVE, VISIT AND DO BUSINESS.

IT WILL ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE AND WELL-BEING OF OR ALL RESIDENTS OF THE COMMUNITY AND PROMOTE CULTURAL AND ARTISTIC AWARENESS WITHIN THE CITY, ALL IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR POLICY. THE REQUEST IS FOR THE VALUE OF THE BLEACHERS THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING, AND THE TOTAL VALUE OF THE SPONSORSHIP WILL BE $390. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. ANY CARDS, DEPUTY MAYOR.

HEY, I NEED A MOTION.

SO MOVE. AND A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON.

SECOND SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN FELIX.

ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION? GENTLEMEN CAME IN AND LOST.

LARSON'S MOTORSPORTS.

THEY DO A GREAT JOB.

GREAT COMPANY. GREAT, GREAT BENEFIT TO THE CITY.

SO THE FACT THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING TO PROMOTE STEM, YOU KNOW, SCIENCE, TECHNOLOGY, ENGINEERING, MATHEMATICS, I THINK THAT'S A HUGE KUDOS TO THEM AND FOR US FOR SUPPORTING IT. AND THEY'RE ALSO THEY ALSO HOST OUR MAYOR'S ROUNDTABLE, THOSE STUDENTS OUT THERE.

SO. ALL RIGHT, SIR.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS, COUNCILMAN FELIX OR MAYOR? I WOULD ECHO WHAT DEPUTY MAYOR JUST MENTIONED.

THEY ARE IT'S TRULY A GREAT, GREAT COMMUNITY PARTNER.

AND THEY ARE REALLY A GREAT COMPANY.

REALLY? YOU KNOW, I'M PROUD TO TO TO HAVE THEM BEING PART OF OUR COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN FOSTER? YEAH. THEY SAID IT ALL.

I DON'T NEED TO. ALL RIGHT.

SO I GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN FELIX.

ALL IN FAVOR, I.

PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

WE ARE ITEM NUMBER THREE.

ORDINANCE 2022 121 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TITLE FIVE LEGISLATIVE CHAPTER 52 BOARDS SUBCHAPTER CITIZEN BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD BY REPEALING THE SUBCHAPTER IN ITS ENTIRETY, PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORTIZ'S PAMPHLET HERE WITH PROVIDING FOR DELETION FROM THE CITY OF PALM BAY CODE OF ORDINANCES PROVIDING FOR A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE PROVIDING FOR THE EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. I'M GOING TO DEFER TO COUNCILMAN FOSTER TO BRING THIS ITEM FORTH.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. THIS IS ONE OF THE ADVISORY BOARDS I LOOKED AT REALLY ALL OF THEM.

AND THE REASON WHY I CHOSE THIS ONE, BECAUSE THIS IS PART OF MY JOB.

THIS IS THE MAIN PART OF OUR JOB.

IT'S JUST MIND EVERYBODY WHO'S ELECTED ON THIS COUNCIL.

WE'VE GOT TWO FUNCTIONS.

ONE TO PASS ORDINANCE AND TO PASS A BUDGET EVERY YEAR.

AND THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, WE GO THROUGH THIS TIME AND TIME AGAIN.

EVERY COUNCILMEN.

IT'S IMPACTED.

OUR BUDGETS ARE IMPACTED ON EVERYTHING WE APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE.

EVERY SPENDING ITEM.

AND THIS IS OUR JOB TO DO.

I KNOW. SO I LIVE THIS EVERY DAY.

I SIT ON THIS COUNCIL.

EVEN OFF THE COUNCIL DEALING WITH STAFF.

WHAT? OUR BUDGET.

AND HOW IT AFFECTS OUR CITY RESIDENTS AND WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

SO. WE DON'T NEED AN ADVISORY BOARD TO TELL US.

WHAT WE SHOULD BE SPENDING AND WHAT NOT SHOULD BE SPENDING.

IF A CITIZEN WANTS TO HAVE SAY SO ON WHAT WE SPENDING, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THAT.

PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION.

AND THROUGHOUT THE BUDGET PROCESS, IF YOU FOLLOW THAT BUDGET PROCESS, WE HAVE MULTIPLE MEETINGS ON OUR BUDGET AND ANYONE COULD GET UP AND MAKE A COMMENT.

AND THAT'S AND A SUGGESTION BEFORE WE APPROVE ANYTHING, WE GO.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MEETINGS WE HAVE.

MADAM CITY MANAGER FOR A BUDGET, MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE MEETINGS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

I WOULD SAY DURING THE HEIGHT OF THE BUDGET SEASON WE PROBABLY HAVE 4 TO 5 TYPICALLY.

THAT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC ON THIS DIAS? YES, SIR. SO THIS IS ANOTHER.

LEVEL OF BUREAUCRACY.

THIS WILL SAVE CITY TIME.

THIS WILL SAVE CITY.

THE STAFF SPENDING STAFF TIME TO ATTEND TO THESE ADVISORY BOARDS.

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AND MY STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT THE VOLUNTEERS THAT SERVE ON THAT BOARD CONTINUE TO SERVE THE CITY ON OTHER BOARDS THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE.

MOST OF THESE BOARDS, WE CAN'T EVEN FILL THE VACANCY.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, SIR. DEPUTY MAYOR, WE HAVE COMMON CARDS.

YES, MA'AM. FIRST ONE IS RANDAL OLSZEWSKI, FOLLOWED BY SUSAN B CONNELLY.

GRAND OLSZEWSKI 348 BROOK STREET, NORTHEAST.

I'M GOING TO APOLOGIZE AHEAD OF TIME.

I'M OFFICIALLY ON ONE.

I'M THE CHAIR OF THE CITIZENS BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD.

I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD THE PAST TWO FISCAL YEARS, MR. MAYOR. YOU APPOINTED ME BEFORE THE BUDGET PROCESS OF THE LAST FISCAL YEAR.

AND I THANK YOU FOR THAT, SIR.

I'VE TAKEN THOSE TWO YEARS TO DEVELOP A DEEP, DEEP UNDERSTANDING OF THE CITY'S BUDGET, ARGUABLY STRONGER THAN SOME THAT SIT ON THE DAIS THROUGH THE CITIZENS BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD, WHICH HAS A FULL ROSTER.

WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DISSECT AND UNDERSTAND AND INTERPRET THE CITY'S NEEDS.

WE CREATE A FORUM FOR CONVERSATION TO HAPPEN, FOR DIALOG TO OCCUR THAT IS OUTSIDE OF LISTENING TO THE FIVE OF YOU SPEAK AND GETTING 3 MINUTES TO REBUT TO IT. WE GET TO TALK AS LONG AS WE WANT, AS LONG AS THE CHAIR GRANTS SO LONG AS WE MEET OUR 9:00 CURFEW, WHICH THE STAFF IS VERY APPRECIATIVE THAT WE CAN ONLY GO FROM 630 TO 9.

THERE SPORTS ABOUT IT.

WE ONLY GET 3 MINUTES TO TALK ON ANY PARTICULAR ITEM.

STAFF TIME PERTAINING TO THE CITIZENS BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD COULD BE SAVED AND RESERVED AND MOVED ON TO MORE PRODUCTIVE ACTIVITIES IF THEY WOULD STOP PREPARING US PRESENTATIONS ON WHY IT'S GREAT TO GET RID OF THE MILLAGE CAP IF THEY DIDN'T COME FORTH TO EVERY MEETING WITH A LET ME TELL YOU WHY THE CAP SUCKS. AND THEN LET'S TALK ABOUT THE BUDGET.

AND WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THE BUDGET.

THE CUT WOULD BE THE WORK WOULD BE CUT IN HALF.

THE CAP IS TO THE VOTERS.

I'M NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE CAP ANYMORE.

WHAT HAPPENS AT THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND THE PUBLIC WORKSHOPS.

EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT THE [INAUDIBLE] CAP.

NOBODY TALKS ABOUT THE BUDGET.

WE TALK ABOUT THE BUDGET.

WE TALK ABOUT THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT ARE IN THE BUDGET.

I KNOW TO THE PENNY HOW MUCH IS IN THERE ON DESIGNATED? OVER 10 MILLION.

YET YOU JUST BROKE THE CAP THIS YEAR TO MAKE AN INCREMENTAL 8 MILLION.

YOU SAY THAT YOU HAVE LOGIC AND PEOPLE DON'T COME TO YOU WITH FACTS.

I COME WITH FACTS THAT I OBTAINED BY PARTICIPATING ON THE CITIZENS BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD.

I SHARE THAT WITH THE CITIZENS OF PALM BAY.

WE HAVE CHOSEN TO NOT HAVE OUR OCTOBER MEETING OR OUR NOVEMBER MEETING TO SAVE STAFF THE TIME TO LET THEM GET INTO THE NEW FISCAL YEAR.

AND WE REQUESTED THAT THE DECEMBER MEETING BE IN A WORKSHOP STYLE WHERE MISS ANJELICA COLLINS, THE EXPERT, EXPLAINS A CITIZENS TAX BILL LINE BY LINE.

AND WE'RE GOING TO ENCOURAGE ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS TO BRING THEIR TAX BILL.

AND WHEN THE MEETING CONCLUDES, WE ALL VOLUNTEER TO SPEND OUR EXTRA TIME AND SHOW THEM OUR TAX BILLS AND MAKE SURE THAT ANYONE THAT COMES UNDERSTANDS WHERE THEIR DOLLARS AND CENTS GOES. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? I JUST MANAGED TO SAY ALL THAT IN TWO AND A HALF MINUTES.

SO I'LL JUST COME BACK ON THE 17TH AND I'LL FIGURE OUT HOW TO PUT TOGETHER ANOTHER 180 SECONDS AND THEN ON ANOTHER 180 SECONDS, BECAUSE THAT SEEMS FEASIBLE AND THAT SEEMS REASONABLE. AS IS BEING PROPOSED.

ABSURD AND EGREGIOUS.

NO, THANK YOU.

FULL ROSTER ON THAT BOARD.

THERE ARE NO VACANCIES EXCEPT FOR THE TWO, WHICH I KNOW THAT CLERK'S OFFICE HAS MULTIPLE APPLICATIONS FOR.

YOU BETTER BE APPOINTING PEOPLE NEXT MEETING.

THANK YOU. SUZANNE CONNOLLY, OUR NATHAN WHITE.

GOOD EVENING, COUNSEL.

SUSAN CONNELLY, 3901 DIXIE HIGHWAY, NORTHEAST.

I SERVE ON TWO BOARDS.

ONE OF THEM IS THE CITIZENS BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD, AND I SEE THIS BOARD AS VALUABLE IN THAT BOTH BOARDS ACTUALLY, THAT I SERVE ON.

THEY REALLY INCREASE AND REFLECT CITIZEN PARTICIPATION.

THE PURPOSE OF THE BOARDS IS REALLY TO SUPPORT COUNCIL IN DECISION MAKING.

AND I THINK THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE NEED TO KNOW THAT THESE BOARDS, THEY MEET IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS, THEY'RE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

OUR MEETINGS ARE WE'RE ASSIGNED A STAFF PERSON AND A STAFF ASSISTANT WHO HELP US AT A COST TO THE CITY TO MEET, USE THE FACILITIES TO HAVE AN AGENDA, ALL THE THINGS THAT THE COUNCIL DOES PRIMARILY.

SO MY QUESTION IS, I WOULD HOPE THAT THE COST TO THE CITY, TO THE COUNCIL AND TO US, THE CITIZENS, THAT THE

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I THINK OBVIOUSLY THESE BOARDS ARE A VALUE TO THE CITIZENS.

SO HOW IRONIC THAT AT THIS VERY MEETING THAT WE HAVE AN APPOINTMENT TO THE YOUTH ADVISORY BOARD AND WE HAVE AN APPLICANT WHO CAME FORTH FOR ANOTHER BOARD.

SO THE CITIZENS ARE BENEFITING.

THE CITIZENS WANT THIS, THE CITIZENS WANT TO PARTICIPATE AND THE CITIZENS WANT TO BE OF VALUE AND ASSISTANCE.

BUT THAT DOES LEAVE THE QUESTION, COUNCILMAN FOSTER, FOR YOU TO HAVE EVEN RAISED THIS ISSUE, THAT WHAT VALUE ARE THESE? IF THERE ARE OTHER AVENUES OR OTHER WAYS THAT WE CAN SERVE? I THINK THAT THE BOARD SHOULD REMAIN INTACT.

I THINK FOR ALL THE BOARDS, IT MIGHT BE A PERFECT TIME TO REDEFINE EXACTLY HOW YOU COUNCIL WISH TO USE US. AS MR. OLSZEWSKI SAID, WE PUT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT INTO THIS AND OUR INPUT SHOULD BE.

OF ASSISTANCE.

IF NOT, THAT IS THE PROBLEM.

LET'S LET'S MAKE THEM VALUABLE.

I'D LIKE TO JUST REITERATE TO WHAT MR. OLSZEWSKI SAID ABOUT THAT.

THE ADVISORY BOARD IS HAVING A KNOW YOUR PROPERTY TAX BILL.

THAT'S SOMETHING NEW AND INNOVATIVE AND FUN, AND IT'S GOING TO BE AT OUR DECEMBER 14TH MEETING.

IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

I THINK THAT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY AND THE COUNCIL TO COME.

IT MADE ME GET OUT MY PROPERTY TAX BILL.

AND YOU KNOW WHAT? THERE ARE THINGS ON THERE I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

SO I'M GOING TO COME TO THE MEETING AND FIND OUT MYSELF TO LEARN.

SO AGAIN, COUNCIL.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

NATHAN WHITE.

NATHAN WHITE, 1301 SEABREEZE STREET, SOUTHWEST.

THIS IS THE FISCAL YEAR 2022 BUDGET.

THIS IS THE FISCAL YEAR 2023 BUDGET, BOTH AMENDED VERSIONS SO THAT THEY'RE LIGHT ENOUGH TO CARRY.

I DIDN'T BRING THEM WITH ME ON PURPOSE.

THEY'RE JUST WHAT WAS IN MY COMPUTER BAG.

I ALSO HAVE THE 2023 PROPOSED BUDGET WITH CHANGES.

SUMMARY THE 2023 FIRST PUBLIC BUDGET, FIRST PUBLIC BUDGET HEARING AND MY TAX BILL, BECAUSE I CARRY THAT AROUND IN PREPARATION FOR THE KNOW YOUR TAX BILL EVENT THAT THE CITIZEN BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD CAME UP WITH AT OUR LAST MEETING.

THIS BOARD IS.

I'M NOT GOING TO ARGUE THIS, BUT IT IS IT IS ARGUABLE THAT IT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT BOARD WE HAVE.

I WAS APPOINTED TO THIS BOARD BY COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO, PARTIALLY BECAUSE DURING HIS CANDIDACY FOR THE SPECIAL ELECTION, I CAME TO HIM WITH A QUESTION ABOUT ONE OF HIS VOTES FROM THE BOARD.

AND NO ONE ELSE HAD DONE THAT BECAUSE I WANTED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE BUDGET.

SO I WAS WATCHING THE CITIZENS BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD MEETINGS BECAUSE THEY TALK ABOUT IT A LOT MORE THAN THIS COUNCIL DOES.

AND I DID LEARN A LOT.

AND NOW I'M ON IT.

AND I'VE LEARNED MORE AT THE LAST MEETING.

TO MY SURPRISE, AFTER BEING THE LONE VOICE ON SOME POINTS AT THE LAST MEETING, I WAS APPOINTED AS THE VICE CHAIR BY A UNANIMOUS VOTE BECAUSE WE ALL WERE LEARNING TOGETHER. WHAT'S IN ALL OF THIS? AND SPOILER.

WE'RE NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT.

A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT.

AND WE WANT TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE THAT GETS SAID A LOT.

YOU SIMPLY DON'T UNDERSTAND OR IT'S VERY COMPLICATED.

THERE'S A LOT TO IT.

AND IT'S NOT THAT IT'S NOT COMPLICATED.

IT'S THAT THAT SHOULDN'T BE AN EXCUSE.

THAT IS A PROBLEM TO BE OVERCOME VIA EDUCATION AND THINGS LIKE THE CITIZEN BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD.

IT ADVISES THE COUNCIL AS TO WHAT THE RESIDENTS, THE CITIZENS THINK ABOUT HOW THEIR MONEY IS BEING SPENT.

AND IT ADVISES AND INFORMS CITIZENS ABOUT HOW THEIR MONEY IS BEING SPENT.

SO THEY KNOW.

THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT I'VE TALKED TO ON AND OFF THE BOARD WHO DIDN'T KNOW MUCH OF WHAT'S IN THESE AND WAS NONPLUSED TO DISCOVER IS MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE, MORE THAN ANY OTHER CONVERSATION THAT IS POSSIBLY EVEN COME UP ABOUT THE BUDGET AT ALL.

AND I TALK ABOUT IT WHEN I'M KNOCKING ON DOORS.

I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK ON THE OTHER BOARDS BECAUSE I THINK PEOPLE ON THE BOARDS SHOULD SPEAK FOR THEM.

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BUT TO SAY WHAT VALUE DOES IT ADD TO HAVE THE CITIZENS INPUT ON HOW THEIR MONEY IS SPENT IS INSULTING.

AND I BELIEVE EVERY MEMBER OF THE CITIZEN BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD DESERVES AN APOLOGY.

THANK YOU. THAT'S IT.

WE'LL START. I'M GOING TO START AND SAY I AGREE.

WHERE WE'RE ASKING OUR CITIZENS TO BE PART.

I KNOW THAT I ALWAYS WANT OUR CITIZENS TO BE ENGAGING AND BOARDS ARE PART OF THAT PROCESS.

RANDALL, I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR HARD WORK AND NOT ONLY THAT BOARD, BUT YOU SIT ON OTHER BOARDS, THE RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD AS WELL.

FOR OUR CITIZENS TO SIT ON A BOARD AND GIVE OF THEIR TIME AND COUNCILMAN FELIX YOU SAID ON THE RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD FOR I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS, BUT I DO REMEMBER YOUR EFFORTS AND, AND I, I VALUED YOUR EFFORTS WHEN YOU WERE ON THAT BOARD AS WELL.

I THINK THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR CITIZENS TO ENGAGE WITH US NOW.

THE VALUE IS NOT ONLY THE TIME THAT THEY SPEND, BUT ALL THE COUNSEL THAT THEY DO PROVIDE.

AND I APPRECIATE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF OUR CITIZENS THAT WANT THAT RAISE THEIR RIGHT HAND AND SAY, HEY, I WANT TO BE PART OF THIS PROCESS.

SO THAT'S WHERE I AM.

I UNDERSTAND YOUR HARD WORK.

COUNCILMAN FOSTER, IN TRYING TO ELIMINATE WHAT YOU CONSIDER BUREAUCRACY, BUT I DON'T CONSIDER OUR BOARDS AS BUREAUCRACY.

I CONSIDER THEM AS A VALUABLE TOOL FOR US TO GET DETAILED INFORMATION NOT ONLY ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE LEARNING, BUT ALSO THEIR COMMUNICATION AND ENGAGEMENT WITH THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.

SO I CAN'T SUPPORT REMOVING EITHER ONE OF THESE BOARDS.

AND YOU DID REMOVE BY ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

I VALUE THAT.

AND AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR HARD WORK IN TRYING TO MINIMIZE STAFF TIME, BUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE COULD LEARN FROM EXCUSE ME, THIS PROCESS IS THE STAFF IS COMMUNICATING WITH OUR RESIDENTS.

OPENING UP A DIALOG WITH THE VERY SAME RESIDENTS THAT NOT ONLY WE SERVE, BUT ALSO THE CONDUIT, THEIR LIAISONS TO THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY.

SO I CAN'T SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, ELIMINATING ANY ONE OF OUR ANY ONE OF OUR BOARDS, SO.

GO AHEAD, SIR. I DIDN'T WANT TO STOP YOU FOR WHAT YOU WERE SAYING.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TAKING ONE AT A TIME.

YES, SIR. CITIZEN AND CITIZEN.

BUT YES, SIR. YES, SIR.

YES, SIR. THAT'S.

THAT'S THE ONE WE'RE REFERRING TO, COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO.

AND THEN COUNCILMAN.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO I DO SEE THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT OUR BOARDS EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE.

AND EVEN IF OUR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS DID THIS RECENTLY WITH COMMISSIONER TOBIAS, AND RIGHT AFTER THEY DID IT, WE LOOKED.

WE DID IT, TOO. IN 2002 AND JUST THIS PAST YEAR, WE REMOVED OUR BUILDING AND CONSTRUCTION ADVISORY COMMITTEE, OUR LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD AND OUR UTILITIES ADVISORY BOARD.

THOSE BOARDS WERE A LITTLE OUTDATED, BUT FOR THIS BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD, I'M WITH YOU, MAYOR.

I SAT ON THIS BOARD MYSELF BEFORE I WAS A COUNCILMAN.

I LEARNED A LOT FROM THIS BOARD, AS MR. OLSZEWSKI HAS, MS..

CONNERLY HAS AND MR. WHITE HAVE. VOLUNTEER BOARDS ARE A HUGE RESOURCE FOR THE CITY AND FOR ME AS A COUNCILMAN.

I MEAN, THESE GROUPS SERVE OUR COMMUNITY BY ADVISING POLICY AND PROVIDING ESSENTIAL SUPPORT TO THE CITY PROGRAMS AND ACTIVITIES SUCH AS RECREATION OR SUCH AS THE BUDGET.

AND MOST BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ARE ADVISORY TO US, AND THEY WORK CLOSELY WITH, NOT WITH THE RESIDENTS OF PALM BAY AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS WHICH THEY'RE INVOLVED WITH.

SO I CAN'T SEE MYSELF SUPPORTING COUNCILMAN FOSTER, WITH ALL RESPECT THAT YOUR NUMBER THREE OR NUMBER FOUR, BUT I DO APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING IT UP BECAUSE IT IS A GOOD DISCUSSION TO HAVE AND NO FURTHER COMMENTS ARE JUST THAT THAT WHEN.

I STILL SIT ON A BOARD FOR ACCOUNTING TODAY AND I SIT ON BOVARD COUNTY PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, AND I AM STILL LEARNING SO MUCH FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD OF BOVARD COUNTY. AND WHEN THEY ASKED ME, HEY, MR. FILIBERTO, YOU WERE ELECTED AS A COUNCILMAN, DO YOU WANT TO YOU WANT TO BE REPLACED ON THE COUNTY PLANNING, ZONING? I SAID, NO, I ENJOY IT.

AND I STILL HAVE GREAT CONVERSATION WITH MS..

THERE'S STUFF IN DISTRICT FIVE AND DISTRICT THREE THAT'S UNINCORPORATED BOVARD, BUT IT STILL AFFECTS PALM BAY.

AND WE HAD AN INCIDENT RECENTLY WHERE I WENT TO MS..

SHERMAN AND SAID, HEY, THIS IS HAPPENING IN DH5 JUST OUTSIDE OF PALM BAY.

I WANT YOU TO BE AWARE OF IT.

SO IT'S A WAY TO GET INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY.

AND I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THE THE STEPS THAT BOARDS HAVE BROUGHT ME TO TO THIS SPOT RIGHT HERE.

SO THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN.

COUNCILMAN FELIX.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. THERE'S A FEW THINGS I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS.

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THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, AS I LOOKED AT IT, I WAS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF ON BOTH SIDE OF THE FENCE.

AND I'LL EXPLAIN WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS THE THE I WOULD NEVER DO SOMETHING OR TAKE AN ACTION TO GIVE THE CITIZENS THE IMPRESSION I'M TRYING TO SILENT. FOR SOMEBODY.

I SERVED ON MULTIPLE BOARDS MYSELF, AND THAT GAVE ME A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.

WHAT? NOT JUST STANDING OUTSIDE ON THE OUTSIDE, BUT GET IN TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING.

I THINK THAT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH ME.

AND IN THE INTEREST OF SERVING ON COUNCIL BECAUSE OF OF THOSE YEARS ON DIFFERENT BOARDS, IT REALLY GIVE THEM A DIFFERENT VIEW AND DIFFERENT DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. AND I THINK BECAUSE OF THAT EXPERIENCE AND THAT, THAT PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE THAT MADE ME A BETTER COUNSELOR IN TERMS OF HOW I VIEW THINGS.

BUT THE THE ASPECT OF USING EFFICIENCY AND USING STUFF TIME.

YOU KNOW, ACCORDINGLY.

AND PROBABLY THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED AS WELL.

SO I THINK THIS IS THIS OPENED AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THIS BOARD, THE STRUCTURES, NOT ONLY JUST THE MEMBER THAT ACTUALLY SERVE ON THOSE BOARD WIDE OVERALL COUNCIL OR THE THE BIGGER THE CITIZENS CAN BENEFIT.

ON THE RESULT OF HAVING THOSE BOARDS AND ALSO FINDING A WAY TO AND I'VE BEEN A BIG PROPONENT OF EVEN BEFORE I WAS ELECTED, PROBABLY WAS A CITIZEN THAT WAS VERY ACTIVE, RECRUITING PEOPLE TO SERVE ON BOARDS AND TO HAVE THE SAME EXPERIENCE THAT I HAD AND TO REALLY VIEW THINGS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

AND I'D LOVE TO HAVE DISCUSSION.

I ALWAYS SEEK FOR CLARITY, DON'T JUST TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK, BUT BUT GET IN THE GAME.

THEN WE CAN HAVE A MORE OF AN EDUCATED, EDUCATED DISCUSSION AS THOSE MEMBERS.

A DISPLAYED AND ON STAFF BEHIND BEHIND I WOULD SAY AS WELL.

IT'S OLSZEWSKI. I'M ADDRESSING YOU DIRECTLY.

I THINK THEY PUT A LOT OF EFFORT.

THEY PUT A LOT OF WORK.

WHEN THEY COME HERE, THEY TELL US THEY MAKE PRESENTATION.

I DON'T THINK THEIR OBJECTIVE IS TO SWAY COUNCIL ANY WHICH WAY.

I THINK THEY ALL TRUE PROFESSIONAL.

THEY GIVE US THEIR PROFESSIONAL VIEWS.

RATHER YOU'VE MADE US AGREE OR NOT.

I THINK THEY THEY WE NEED TO ADDRESS THEM PROPERLY AND RESPECT THEIR WORK, THE LEVEL OF THEIR LEVEL OF EXPERTISE AND PROFESSIONALISM AS WELL.

I KNOW EMOTION CAN GET IN THE WAY.

I YOU KNOW, I THINK WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL AS TO, YOU KNOW, RESPECT WHAT THEY DO.

AND, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY DISAGREE, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO SHOW RESPECT REGARDLESS.

WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE TONIGHT IS TO MAYBE TABLE THESE ITEM, THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, AND LOOKED AT IT A LITTLE DEEPER AND MAYBE BRING IT BACK. BUT I DON'T THINK, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I COULD SUPPORT IT AS YOU KNOW, AS IT IS BECAUSE I TRULY DOESN'T WANT TO SEND THE MESSAGE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE AWAY FROM THE CITIZENS.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS THEIR GOVERNMENT AS MUCH AS IT IS OURS.

SO WE'RE ALL WILLING TO SERVE.

THEM GIVING THEIR TIME AND PUT EFFORT INTO THIS AND TAKE IT SERIOUSLY.

I THINK IT'S TO BE REWARDED AND TO BE RESPECTED.

A MESSAGE FOR MY COLLEAGUES AS WELL.

A LOT OF US DON'T DO A GOOD JOB FILLING ALL SPOTS, FILLING OUR POSITION.

WE ALL CAN APPOINT.

OFTEN TIMES WE GO MONTHS WITHOUT APPOINTMENT.

AND I KNOW FOR SURE WE ALL ARE BUSY FOR SURE, TRYING TO DRAW A GOAL OR PERSONAL LIFE OR PROFESSIONAL LIFE, PLUS THE SERVICE OF THE PEOPLE.

IT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME COUNCIL MEMBER THAT HAS TO TO TO FILL.

WE NEVER, YOU KNOW, DO MAKE APPOINTMENTS.

SO THAT MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY AS WELL.

I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE PROBLEM IS.

WE'VE GOT BOARDS THAT ARE ACTUALLY BEING EFFECTIVE OR MEETING DUE TO PART OF IT IS FALL ON US JUST WANTING TO THROW THAT OUT THERE. I'D SAY MAYBE WE SHOULD MAYBE TABLE THIS COUNCILMAN FOSTER ALL RESPECTFUL TO YOUR THOUGHT AS WELL.

LET'S, YOU KNOW, TABLE IT AND LOOKED AT IT A LATER TIME, BUT I COULD NOT SUPPORT IT AS WELL.

I WAS ON THE FENCE TO BEGIN WITH, BUT HEARING THE CITIZENS AND OF COURSE THE IDEA, I WOULD NEVER WANT TO TAKE ANYTHING AWAY FROM THEM BECAUSE THIS IS JUST AS THIS GOVERNMENT BODY IS JUST AS THEIRS AND THEY SHOULD HAVE A SAY SO.

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THANK YOU. SO, COUNCILMAN FELIX, I'D LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION IN YOUR REQUEST TO TABLE.

WHAT IS IT THAT YOU YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH EVERYTHING THAT THEY'RE STRIKING OUT OF, OUT OF IT? WHAT IS IT THAT YOU'RE NOT? I MEAN, WHAT WOULD. YOU CANNOT SUPPORT IT TONIGHT.

WHAT I WOULD SAY TABLE IT AS FAR AS LOOKED AT IT IN TERMS OF CAN WE REINFORCE APPOINTMENTS, LOOKED AT THE EFFICIENCY OF HOW CAN WE MAKE IT? WHO MAYBE COUNCILMAN FOSTER CAN ANSWER.

IN HIS OPINION, HOW CAN WE MAKE.

HOW CAN WE MAKE IT BETTER? OR MAYBE MS.. SHERMAN CAN WEIGH IN AS WELL.

MAKE IT MORE BENEFICIAL TO US OR, YOU KNOW, TO STAFF OR CAN WE USE STAFF TIME IF IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S A CORE ITEM.

I'M ALL FOR COUNCILMAN FOSTER.

CAN WE MAKE IT MORE BENEFICIAL TO.

THAT'S THE QUESTION YOU ASK ME. WELL.

YOU KNOW, I WANT TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE THINGS YOU SAID.

ONE, I BROUGHT THIS FOR NOT TO TAKE ANYTHING FROM THE CITIZEN.

LIKE I SAID, AND I ASKED THE CITY MANAGER, I MEAN, WE MEET FOUR OR FIVE TIMES ABOUT THE BUDGET.

THE DECISION TO APPROVE OUR BUDGET COMES FROM THE STATES, COME FROM ALL FIVE OF US, AND THERE'S PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY IF YOU FOLLOW THE BUDGET. I'VE DONE TWO OF THEM SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.

IF YOU FOLLOWED THE BUDGET.

AND IT STARTED I KNEW BUDGET JUST START.

CITIZEN HAD PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND ADDRESS WHATEVER ISSUE OR ITEM THAT THEY DEEM NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED BY COUNCIL.

AND WE HEAR IT DIRECTLY, NOT FROM A BOARD FROM THE CITIZEN MOUTH, FROM THEIR MOUTH TO MY EARS.

I WOULD HEAR IT, BUT.

SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S TAKEN AWAY WHEN WE HAVE MULTIPLE MEETINGS.

WHEN WE PASSED, WE WENT OVER TO CAP.

MAYBE THE ONLY THING THE ONLY PERSON I RECALL IS SAYING SOMETHING.

WAS BILL BACK.

AND I LISTEN TO EVERYBODY.

I'M A BETTER LISTENER THAN TALKER.

AND I LOOKED AT IT AND I LOOKED AT I DIDN'T JUST PULL THIS OUT OF THE AIR.

I WATCHED A LOT OF THEIR MEETINGS.

VERY LITTLE CITIZENS COMING UP THERE.

MAKING COMMENTS.

THE BOARD DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH FILLING VACANCIES.

MAYBE ONE OR TWO HAVEN'T SHOWN UP.

BUT THEY ALWAYS HAVE A QUORUM.

AS LONG AS YOU HAVE A QUORUM, YOU COULD GET WORK DONE.

SO. I LIKE FIRST WHAT? THE PASS FAIL, THEN THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO BRING IT BACK.

I NEED TO MAKE A DECISION IF I WANT TO KEEP IT, KEEP IT.

DENNARD IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KEEP IT, THEN PASS MY ORDERS.

THAT'S THE WAY I FEEL ABOUT IT.

BUT I WANT TO MAKE THE CITIZEN THE CORRECT.

COUNCILMAN FELIX. NO, I'M NOT TAKING AWAY ANYTHING.

I WANT CITIZENS TO ENGAGE.

I WANT THEM TO ENGAGE DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS THAT WE HAVE MEETINGS HERE AND NOBODY SHOWS UP.

BUT WHEN WE RAISE THE UTILITY RATES, WE'VE GOT TO CROWD.

YOU HAVE A CROWD SHOW UP BECAUSE NOW, NOW THEY FEEL MORE IMPACTED.

THAT BUDGET IMPACTS THEM MORE THAN THE UTILITY RATES.

OK. AND THAT'S MY EXPERIENCE SINCE SITTING ON THIS COUNCIL.

WE COULD WE COULD GET IT COULD BE MORE EFFICIENT FOR STAFF TIME.

STAFF MONEY.

THAT'S BUREAUCRACY.

COME STRAIGHT TO THAT, TO THAT PODIUM AND SAY YOUR PIECE.

AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE SOMETHING IN THE BUDGET, WE HAVE PROFESSIONAL DIRECTORS AND CITY MANAGERS THAT PUT IN THAT PUT A LOT OF WORK IN OUR BUDGET.

AND ANYBODY ON THIS COUNCIL COULD GO TO THEM AND ASK THE QUESTION.

YOU HIRED US TO PASS A BUDGET, TO PASS ORDINANCE TO PASS CITY POLICY.

THAT'S MY JOB AND THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO DO.

THANK YOU. DO YOU? BUT. I WAS WAITING PATIENTLY.

SO, YEAH, VERY INTERESTING CONVERSATION.

SO FIRST, I DO HAVE TO GIVE KUDOS TO YOU, COUNCILMAN FOSTER.

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BUT WHEN I SAW IT, I'M LIKE, WAIT A SECOND.

LIKE, THAT'S NOT FOR LACK OF TRYING.

SO WHAT I DID, I WENT THROUGH OUR CITY CLERK'S OFFICE TO SUBMIT THE VACANCIES BY COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR THAT BOARD.

I JUST FILL MY VACANCY BECAUSE MY YOUNG MAN TURNED 19, SO THEREFORE HE CAN SERVE ON THE BOARD NO MORE.

SO THAT'S WHY I DID MY VACANCY TODAY.

BUT THERE ARE SEVERAL VACANCIES ON THE BOARD, NOT JUST THE ONE THAT I SAY EVERY MEETING OVER AND OVER THE AT-LARGE MEMBER, BUT SEVERAL VACANCIES BY COUNCIL.

SO I SENT THAT TO THE CITY CLERK SO SHE CAN SEND IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

SO IF THAT'S THE REASON WHY YOU PULLED IT, SIR, I APPRECIATE IT, BUT BECAUSE I WANT COUNCIL AND I'M SAYING IT NOW, SINCE WE DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO SPEAK ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT'S BEEN PULLED.

BUT I WANT COUNCIL TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE LOOKING FOR YOUNG, YOUNG MEN AND YOUNG WOMEN TO PUT TOWARDS THAT BOARD SO THAT WAY THEY CAN PUSH FOR THINGS LIKE WHAT THEY DID WITH THE VETERANS DAY PARADE AND A FEW OTHER PROJECTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

TO THAT POINT, I'VE WATCHED I'VE WATCHED THESE MEETINGS AS WELL.

SO I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.

COUNCILMAN FOSTER DEFINITELY, BECAUSE THE MAIN PRIMARY FUNCTION OF THE BOARD, AND I'M GOING TO READ IT REVIEWS AND MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL REGARDING THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR THIS PAST YEAR.

YES, WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE OFFICIAL RECOMMENDATION LIKE WE USUALLY DO.

SO I KNOW HOW THAT CAN BE OFF.

YOU KNOW, LIKE, WAIT A SECOND, BECAUSE I KNOW I WAS CAUGHT OFF GUARD BECAUSE USUALLY WE'LL HAVE IT WITHIN THE MEMO OF A CITIZENS BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD GOES WITH CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDATIONS.

OR ONE TIME THEY WENT AND RECOMMENDED RECOMMENDED WE GO ABOVE THE CAP.

WE DIDN'T, BUT THEY RECOMMENDED WE GO ABOVE THE CAP.

BUT THERE WAS LIKE ACTUAL RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH IS THE PRIMARY FUNCTION OF THAT BOARD.

SO MY, MY THING BEHIND IT.

NOW, DO YOU MIND IF WE CALL IT MR. LARRY WACHOWSKI? SORRY. SORRY. SORRY TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, SIR.

BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT I SEE IS, IF I'M WRONG, COUNCILMAN FOSTER, PLEASE CORRECT ME.

BUT WHAT I SEE ATTEMPT IS TO READJUST OR IN A WAY, CORRECT.

TO REALIGN WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR FROM AS A CITY.

SO BEING THAT AS MAY I KNOW YOU WEREN'T PREPARED FOR ANYTHING, DO YOU? DO YOU SEE? BECAUSE I'VE WATCHED THE MEETINGS AND I'VE SEEN HOW THEY'VE GONE FROM TOPIC TO TOPIC, BUT NOT REALLY SOLIDIFYING A RECOMMENDATION OR MOTION ON SOME ITEMS. DO YOU THINK THAT POSSIBLY THERE CAN BE SOME FINE TUNING OR REORGANIZING OR REWRITING REWRITING OF.

GO AHEAD. PLEASE.

GO AHEAD AND FINISH. YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT I'M GETTING AT.

IF WE RESTRUCTURED WHAT THE C B&B IS ALL ABOUT AND WHAT THE GOALS ARE, I WOULD SAY, YES, WE COULD.

IT COULD BE A GOOD FUNCTIONING BOARD.

YOU KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE CRITERIA OF.

OF WHAT? EXCUSE ME.

YOU KNOW, THE FOLKS, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SITTING ON THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEIR QUALIFICATIONS ARE, WHAT THEY'RE THERE FOR, WHAT'S THE GOAL THAT THEY'RE DRIVE OF WHAT THEY'RE BRINGING BACK TO COUNCIL? BECAUSE WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE COMING BACK TO COUNCIL TO BE GIVING RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU OF CITY BUDGET OR CITY ACTIVITIES. YOU KNOW, IS THAT REALLY.

IS THAT REALLY HAPPENING? YOU KNOW, DO THEY HAVE CONVERSATION WITH YOU ON A MONTHLY BI MONTHLY SEMI ANNUAL BASIS? I DON'T KNOW.

MAYBE THAT NEEDS TO BE DEVELOPED IN THE RESOLUTION AND SAY THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IF YOU'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO SIT ON THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO DO REPORTS BACK TO COUNCIL AND SAY THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE STRIVING FOR.

BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE JUST BOGGED DOWN.

AND NOT MOVING ANYWHERE.

IF WE CAN MAKE THE GUIDELINES.

MORE STRICT.

I THINK IT'LL GO SOMEWHERE.

THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

I HAVE. MARY, IF I MAY.

A COUPLE OF THINGS I WANT TO SAY.

WELL, LET ME ASK A QUESTION.

SO, SIR, CAN STAFF PROVIDE SOME OF THAT GUIDANCE TODAY WITHOUT IT BEING IN AN ORDINANCE? YOU'RE PROVIDING PRESENTATIONS.

CAN'T STAFF GUIDE?

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HOWEVER, THERE WAS A GUIDANCE.

CAN'T STAFF GUIDE THEM TODAY WITHOUT AFFECTING THIS ORDINANCE, I BELIEVE.

CURRENTLY THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, IT'S.

I REALLY CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT AT THE MOMENT.

I THINK I THINK IT'S VERY GENERALLY WRITTEN THAT THEY'RE JUST.

SUPPOSED TO COME BACK AND GIVE ADVICE BACK TO COUNCIL.

AND THAT'S A VERY GENERAL STATEMENT.

AND THEN IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN PERHAPS THEY CONTINUE TO GO ON AS THEY ARE.

RIGHT. AND THEN YOU HONE IN ON THAT RESOLUTION OF WHERE YOU THINK THE GUIDANCE IS NEEDED.

AND WE MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE IF YOU IF YOU IF IT'S THAT VAGUE TO YOU, THEN MAYBE WE NEED TO.

OPERATE THE WAY WE ARE TODAY AND THEN WORK ON THE VISION OF WHAT GUIDANCE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, OF ADDING THAT INTO THE ORDNANCE.

THAT'S ALL. AND COUNCILMAN FELIX HAD A QUESTION.

NOT SO MUCH. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SUGGEST, IS THAT WE TABLE IT.

MAYBE GETTING BACK TO THAT, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE QUESTION IS MORE THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE BOARD.

THAT MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT FOR THE MOST PART THAT'S WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO.

THE BOARDS ARE NOT BEING EFFECTIVE.

HOW CAN WE MAKE IT WORK? I MEAN, THAT'S THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT.

AND I DIDN'T MEAN YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS WAS TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE AWAY FROM THE CITIZEN.

I SAID IT MAY BE PERCEIVED AS THAT.

AND I PERSONALLY CANNOT SUPPORT THAT PERCEPTION.

THAT'S WHAT I MEANT. I GET YOUR POINT.

SO ARE YOU DONE TO.

I DIDN'T WANT TO. I MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS ITEM AND FOR COUNCILOR THE STAFF TO COME BACK WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO IMPROVE THE CITIZEN BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD.

SECOND. WE GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN FOSTER, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

GENTLEMEN. SEEING NONE ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I ALL OPPOSE NAY.

THE HOUSE IS 3 TO 2.

WE ARE NOW AN ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

WE'RE IN A 2020 2-1 22, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TITLE FIVE LEGISLATIVE CHAPTER 52, FORCE SUBCHAPTER RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD, OR REPEALING THE SUBCHAPTER IN ITS ENTIRETY.

PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT HEREWITH PROVIDING FOR DELETION FROM THE CITY OF PALM BAY CODE OF AUTOPSIES PROVIDING FOR A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. COUNCILMAN FOSTER.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. THE RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD, THIS IS ONE OF THE FIRST BOARD I SERVED ON COMING TO THE CITY.

I SERVED ON IT TWICE.

I ALSO SERVED ON THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD.

I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH OUR PARKS DIRECTOR OF.

THERE'S REALLY NO PURPOSE.

THAT THIS BOARD IS DOING FOR FOR THE COUNCIL.

I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING.

IN THE LAST 12 MONTHS THAT THIS BOARD HAS ADVISED THE COUNCIL ON MOST OF THE ITEMS THAT DID NAMING OF A PARK.

PEOPLE CAME BEFORE COUNCIL AND SPOKE THEIR PIECE.

AND. IT GOT APPROVED.

YOU GOT TO PROVE. I DON'T THINK WE DENY ANY NAMING OF ANY PARKS IN THE CITY THAT THAT WAS BROUGHT BEFORE THE COUNCIL.

SO IF A CITIZEN WANTS TO HAVE AN ISSUE, THEY COULD GO DIRECTLY TO THE RECREATION DIRECTOR.

AND IF THEY DON'T GET NO SATISFACTION WITH THAT, THEY COULD GO TO THE CITY MANAGER OR COME THE COUNCIL AND SPEAK ON IT AND.

I'M ALL OPEN, SO.

THAT'S MY THAT'S MY COMMENTS ON THIS.

THANK YOU. DEPUTY MAYOR RYAN OSOFSKY.

OLSZEWSKI 348 BROOK STREET, NORTHEAST.

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MY MOM TOLD ME NOT TO TAKE THINGS PERSONAL, SO THE RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD TO THREE MONTHS AGO HAD A HUMBLE CITIZEN COME IN STREET CLOTHES AND ASK FOR A PARK TO BE RENAMED IN HONOR OF THE LATE COUNCILMAN.

THE RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD APPROVED THAT NOT UNANIMOUSLY BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY HAD A FRAUD ON THE BOARD AT THE TIME BECAUSE HIS TERM WAS LONG OVERDUE AND HE WAS USING IT FOR POLITICAL CLOUT. AND THAT DIDN'T WORK FOR HIM, BUT UNANIMOUSLY FOR ALL THE VOTES THAT MATTERED, THEN THAT ITEM SHOWED UP ON A CONSENT AGENDA ITEM, DIDN'T GET PULLED, WENT STRAIGHT THROUGH BECAUSE IT HAD BEEN VETTED THROUGH THE RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD LAST NIGHT.

EXCUSE ME. I GET MY NIGHTS MIXED UP.

THIS IS MY BUSY WEEK, YOU SEE, BECAUSE I SERVED MY CITY TUESDAY FIRST TUESDAY IN THE MONTH AT THE RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD, FIRST WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD. FIRST THURSDAY AT THE MONTH.

HANGING OUT WITH YOU GUYS TILL 1 A.M., THEN THE SECOND WEDNESDAY IS WHEN I DO THE CITIZEN'S BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD.

THEN THE THIRD THURSDAY IS WHEN I DO CITY COUNCIL, IF I CAN'T KEEP TRACK OF IT.

HEAVEN FORBID MY WIFE OR DAUGHTER CAN.

BUT IT WAS MONDAY NIGHT, TUESDAY NIGHT THAT WE HAD A MEETING.

MR. GORHAM WAS UNFORTUNATELY WHO OUR CHAIR UNABLE TO ATTEND.

SO AS THE VICE CHAIR, I CHAIRED THE MEETING AND WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHY IS THIS ITEM UP? AND MR. POPPY SAID HE HAD NO CLUE.

OUT OF THE BLUE, DIDN'T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING.

HE SAID HE GOT A PHONE CALL FROM MITCH.

THIS IS ALL PUBLIC. IT'S ONLY RECORDED, BUT YOU CAN GET THE RECORDING, HE SAID.

MISS SHERMAN CALLED HIM.

WELL, COUNCILMAN FOSTER WAS IN THE OFFICE AND SAID, CAN YOU DO YOUR JOB WITHOUT THE BOARD? AND HE SAID, WELL, I MEAN, I GUESS.

BUT HE WENT ON TO SAY HOW MUCH HE APPRECIATES THE BOARD AND HOW HE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND WHY ON EARTH ANYBODY WOULD WANT TO DO THIS.

AND THE FACT THAT TWO SITTING COUNCILMEN WERE ON THAT BOARD AND USE THAT AS THE BEGINNINGS OF THEIR PLATFORM OF INVOLVEMENT IN THE COMMUNITY.

SO WHY ON EARTH WOULD ANYBODY WANT TO COME FOR THIS BOARD? THEN WE HAD A SPEAKER COME, A WONDERFUL YOUNG LADY THAT LIVES IN BAYSIDE LAKE.

SHE'S A PROFESSIONAL SKATEBOARDER AND SHE HAS SOME FANTASTIC IDEAS FOR WHAT WE COULD DO AT MCGRIFF PARK, A MEMORIAL TO JAMES MCGRIFF, MAY HE REST IN PEACE.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DIALOGING.

AND AS THE CHAIR, I LET HER TALK AS LONG AS SHE WANTED.

YES, SHE WAS OUR ONLY PUBLIC COMMENT THAT NIGHT.

SHE WENT FOR 7 MINUTES AND I SAID, MA'AM, WE ALL SUPPORT YOU.

WE THINK IT'S GREAT.

YOU NEED TO TUNE UP YOUR YOUR PRESENTATION BECAUSE YOU'RE ONLY GOING TO HAVE 180 SECONDS WHEN YOU GO BEFORE COUNCIL.

AND MR. POPPY, THE RECREATION DIRECTOR, NOT THE PARKS DIRECTOR, THE RECREATION DIRECTOR, THAT'S ALL HE DOES.

LOOKED AT ME AND SAID, YOU NEED TO TELL THE COUNCIL THAT BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO TALK THROUGH WHAT SHE WANTS TO DO WITH THIS SKATE PARK IN THE COUNCIL ENVIRONMENT. WE NEED THIS BOARD TO DO IT.

THEN YOU'LL HAVE A YOUNG LADY TODAY COME FORTH.

WITHOUT THE POWELL LEAGUE, WE CAN HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT A LEAGUE AND A RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD.

AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO HEAR HER SPEND HER HUNDRED AND 80 SECONDS TALKING ABOUT IT.

LET'S TALK ABOUT RECREATION AT THE RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD.

I'M GOING TO SAY THIS ONE REAL QUICK.

WE MOVED IT OUT OF THE TONY ROSA BECAUSE THAT WAS DISPLACING OUR CITIZENS FROM USING THE GYM.

AND NOW WE FIND DIFFERENT VENUES.

WE SELF-POLICE.

THANK YOU, SANTA ISABEL, RIGHT.

HI. I JUST WANTED TO SAY I'VE SAT ON MANY BOARDS OVER THE YEARS, AND THE BOARDS ARE AN EXTENSION OF YOU GUYS.

IF YOU GUYS WERE GOING TO ATTEND TO EVERYTHING THAT THE BOARDS DISCUSS, YOU WILL BE HERE UNTIL 3:00 IN THE MORNING, 4:00 IN THE MORNING, EVERY SINGLE MEETING.

AND I THINK TRYING TO GET RID OF THEM IS REALLY TRYING TO SILENCE US.

WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, COUNCILMAN FOSTER.

IT'S NOT AN ATTACK ON YOU OR ANYTHING, BUT THESE BOARDS ARE IMPORTANT.

THEY BRING PARTICIPATION INTO THE COMMUNITY.

AND IF WE ARE NOT GETTING ENOUGH PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE, IT'S BECAUSE THE CITY, I THINK, IS NOT DOING ENOUGH TO REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY.

IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR YOUTH, THEN YOU SHOULD GO TO THE HIGH SCHOOLS AND TALK TO THE COUNSELORS AND SEE WHO WANTS TO BE A PART OF IT.

IF YOU NEED SOMEBODY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE RECREATION BOARD, THEN FIND SOMEBODY WHO'S INTERESTED IN PARKS.

BUT CLOSING THESE BOARDS DOWN IS NOT THE ANSWER.

THE ANSWER IS TO FIND PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE.

PEOPLE SOMETIMES ARE NOT GETTING INVOLVED BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO GET INVOLVED WITH OR THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT QUASI PROCEDURES WAS.

I DIDN'T KNOW I NEEDED TO COME HERE WITH FACTS FOR YOU GUYS TO UNDERSTAND NOT TO VOTE ON SOMETHING.

IT COMES TO EDUCATION.

WE NEED TO EDUCATE OUR COMMUNITY A LITTLE BIT MORE SO THEY UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS.

MOST PEOPLE DO NOT UNDERSTAND THIS PROCESS.

I DO UNDERSTAND GETTING RID OF A BOARD IS NOT THE RIGHT IDEA AND I TABLING IT.

I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT EITHER.

I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE SQUASHED AND WE MOVE FORWARD AND NOT WASTE ANY MORE TIME ON THIS.

WE NEED OUR BOARDS BECAUSE THEY ARE THE VOICE OF OUR COMMUNITY AND THE EXTENSION OF CITY COUNCIL.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

IN HENRY WAY.

HI. WELL, SHE JUST SAID WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY, BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO HAVE REPRESENTATION.

YOU CANNOT BE DICTATORS.

THE CITIZENS HAVE TO HAVE THEIR VOICE.

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YOU DELEGATE IT TO THEM, THEY COME BACK AND REPORT IT TO YOU.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO AGREE ON IT, BUT YOU HAVE A DIALOG.

SO, JOE, TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THAT THAT TEA PARTY THING, YOU KNOW, TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION OR THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE CITIZENS HEAR THEIR VOICE.

WE PUT YOU THERE AND WE CAN TAKE YOU OUT OF THERE TO YOUR CONVERSATION.

TO ME? YEAH, WE, WE CAN, WE VOTE FOR YOU GUYS TO BE THERE.

SO DON'T FORGET WHO YOU'RE REPRESENTING AND WE HAVE TO HAVE A VOICE AND WE WISH FOR YOU TO HEAR IT.

AND WE CANNOT ALL SAY IT IN 3 MINUTES.

SO IF THIS BOARD MEETS TO GET ALL THE FACTS AND THEN PRESENT IT TO YOU, SQUASHING IT IS HIDING SOMETHING.

THAT'S MY OPINION. THANK YOU, MA'AM.

PHILLIP CORCORAN.

PHILLIP CORCORAN, 1878 LYNBROOK DRIVE.

ITEM NUMBER SIX THAT WAS APPROVED THREE TO DO TONIGHT.

I DON'T THINK IF I WAS ONE OF YOU GUYS THAT VOTED FOR IT, I DON'T THINK I COULD SLEEP TONIGHT.

FIRE SAFETY IS VERY IMPORTANT.

AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE HAD TWO FIRES IN BAYSIDE LAKES IN LESS THAN A TEN YEAR PERIOD.

IMAGINE THIS ROOM.

NO, WE GOT TO STICK TO IT.

I KNOW. I'M JUST IMAGINING.

IMAGINE THIS ROOM I CAN'T LOOK AT.

IMAGINE THIS ROOM. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A RECREATION.

I'M SORRY. I PUT THAT IN FOR LATER ON.

OH, NO. ITEM SIX WAS THE ITEM SIX WE HAD EARLIER.

YOU WANT ME TO COME BACK? PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THE END.

I THOUGHT I PUT IT IN PUBLIC COMMENTS.

YES, SIR. NATHAN WHITE.

NATHAN WHITE, 1301 SEABREEZE STREET, SOUTHWEST.

I APOLOGIZE. I DID NOT MEAN TO MISLEAD YOU.

I DIDN'T PLAN TO COME BACK.

ONE OF THE REASONS WE HAVE THOSE BOARDS AND I COULD UNDERSTAND PERHAPS DISSOLVING A BOARD THAT MAYBE HASN'T HAD A QUORUM IN OVER A YEAR, SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.

PEOPLE AREN'T PARTICIPATING.

PEOPLE AREN'T EVEN THERE. THEY CAN'T HOLD THE MEETING.

IF THE BOARD CAN'T EVEN HOLD A QUORUM, CAN'T EVEN MEET OK.

THAT'S BEEN A CONSISTENT PROBLEM.

THAT IS NOT THE PROBLEM HERE.

AND ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WE HAVE ANY OF THESE BOARDS, AS HAS BEEN POINTED OUT BY SOME OF THE WISE PEOPLE SPEAKING TONIGHT THAT YOU SHOULD DEFINITELY BE LISTENING TO IS THAT WE DON'T GET A LOT OF ANSWERS AT COUNCIL MEETINGS.

IF YOU HAVEN'T NOTICED, WE CAN'T COME BACK AFTER WE SPEAK.

WE SPEAK BEFORE YOU GUYS DO.

AND THEN YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT IT SOMETIMES NOT SO COVERTLY.

PICK APART THE THINGS THAT WE SAID OR INSULT THEM ON OCCASION, AND THEN WE DON'T GET TO RESPOND.

WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIVE US ANSWERS.

AND A LOT OF TIMES WE DON'T GET THEM.

SO HAVING THOSE BOARDS WHERE THE TRULY PASSIONATE CAN BE ON THE BOARD AND THE MAYBE IS PASSIONATE, BUT MAYBE NOT QUITE WITH AS MUCH TIME, CAN SIMPLY ATTEND AND HEAR STAFF'S ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS.

GET THE INFORMATION.

AND MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS.

DECISIONS AS WELL AS INFORMED ADVICE TO THE COUNCIL IS INVALUABLE.

THE CITIZENS NEED TO BE LISTENED TO TO GET REALLY INTO THE SEMANTICS OF IT.

YOU'RE FORCED TO HEAR US, BUT YOU'RE NOT FORCED TO LISTEN.

AND YOU'RE NOT FORCED TO RESPOND.

HAVING ACCESS TO THAT.

2 HOURS OR SO OF STAFF.

STAFF TIME.

STAFF MONEY. HERE IS WHAT KEEPS US AWARE OF WHAT THIS CITY IS DOING WITH THIS COMMUNITY'S MONEY OR PARKS OR INSERT BOARD PURPOSE HERE.

SO IF ACTUALLY JUST FOR REFERENCE, EVEN I TRY TO MONITOR THE FACEBOOK COMMENTS DURING COUNCIL MEETINGS FOR WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING.

THERE'S ONE WOMAN WHO'S SO ANGRY SHE'S NOW PLANNING TO RUN IN 2024.

SO LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING HER ON THE BALLOT.

IT IT'LL BE VERY INTERESTING. SHE HAS A GREAT PLATFORM ALREADY.

SO THINK ABOUT THIS.

WHEN YOU TRY TO SHUT OUT THE CITIZENS THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE ANGERED BY NOT LISTENING TO AND RESPONDING TO THE.

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THANK YOU. OK COUNCIL.

ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION TO.

THE MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE 2022 122.

I'LL TAKE IT FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.

I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN FOSTER, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN FELIX.

LIKE I SAID, I SERVED ON THIS BOARD TWICE FOR OVER A YEAR.

FOUR TIMES AND.

YEAH, YOU MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT.

AND THEN IT DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE.

STAFF. THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT PUTS A LOT OF WORK INTO THIS.

WE CAN SAVE A LOT OF MAN HOURS.

ANYONE WHO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH RECREATION.

BECAUSE THERE'S TOO DEPARTMENT.

DEPARTMENT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RECREATION.

YOU COULD GO TO THE TO THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT.

THEY COULD GO TO THE DIRECTOR, THEY COULD GO TO THE CITY MANAGER.

THEY COULD GO TO THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.

THEY COULD COME DIRECTLY TO ME OR ANYBODY ON THIS COUNCIL TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE.

THE POL PROGRAM.

THAT'S THE POLICE DEPARTMENT PROGRAM.

AND I THINK WE SHOULD BRING IT BACK.

I SEE THE VALUE OF THAT 100%.

I'M 100% FOR RECREATION.

WE HAVE A LITERALLY WE HAVE AN EAST WEST LITTLE LEAGUE.

WHEN THEY HAVE AN ISSUE, THEY PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL ME DIRECTLY.

AND I ADDRESSED IT WITH THE CITY MANAGER.

I'VE DONE THAT ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS.

SO. THE PURPOSE IS NOT TO SHUT SOMEBODY VOICE OUT.

IT'S TO LIMIT THE BUREAUCRACY, SAVE SOME SOME MONEY AND GET THEIR MESSAGE DIRECTLY TO THE SOURCE.

THAT'S GOING TO MAKE A DECISION RIGHT THEN AND NOW.

NOW I HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER MONTH TO MEET BEFORE A BOARD.

SUCH AS RECREATION.

YOU WANT IT TO HAPPEN RIGHT NOW? YOU DON'T WANT TO HAPPEN TWO MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD.

THESE ARE THE ISSUES THAT I DEAL WITH.

PEOPLE COME TO ME, ESPECIALLY THE LITTLE LEAGUE, ALL THE TIME, IF SOMETHING'S WRONG WITH THAT FIELD.

MY PHONE IS RINGING AT SEVEN AT NIGHT OR SIX IN THE MORNING.

FROM THE COACHES.

SO I DON'T SHUT PEOPLE VOICE OUT.

I HEAR THEM. AND IF I DON'T PICK UP THE PHONE, I LISTEN TO YOUR VOICEMAIL AND I MAKE A PHONE CALL WHETHER I'M BUSY OR NOT.

SO THIS JOB UP HERE IS NOT PART TIME.

IT MIGHT SAYS PART TIME, BUT IT'S 24 HOURS.

SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, 12 MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT.

COUNCILMAN FELIX.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'M PRETTY SURE THE INTENT.

COUNCILMAN FOSTER, I MEAN, I CAN SPEAK FOR YOU AND YOU SAID IT CLEARLY THAT IT'S IT'S NOT TO TAKE AWAY, BUT SOMETIMES THERE'S, YOU KNOW, INTENT AND IMPACT, AS BILL BOUGHTON SAID.

SO IT'S HOW IT'S PERCEIVED.

AND THAT WAS MY MY CONCERN ALL ALONG, RIGHT FROM THE GET GO.

HOW IS IT GOING TO BE PERCEIVED? I'VE SERVED I PROBABLY SERVE THE LONGEST ON THAT BOARD, THE PARKS AND REC BOARD FOR OVER EIGHT YEARS.

I'VE CHAIRED IT.

I THINK I WAS VICE CHAIR FOR A WHILE AND THIS DISCUSSION IS GREAT.

YOU KNOW, I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT BOTH THESE IDEAS UP, BECAUSE THAT KIND OF OPENED THE DIALOG WHERE WE CAN LOOK AT THE SOME OF THE OPPORTUNITIES, HOW CAN WE IMPROVE? CERTAINLY THOSE BOARDS THEY HAVE THERE, THEY'RE RAISING IN EXISTENCE.

LIKE I SAID, I BENEFITS.

I BENEFIT QUITE A BIT FROM SERVING ON THOSE BOARD.

AND I KNOW WE WE MAY NOT RECEIVE A LOT OF RECOMMENDATION OVER TIME, BUT THAT MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY AS WELL TOGETHER COUNSEL IN THOSE THE LEADERSHIP OF THIS BOARDS STAFF AS WELL, HOW CAN WE INCREASE PARTICIPATION? HOW CAN WE MAKE THESE BOARDS A LOT MORE EFFICIENT AS VICE CHAIR? HOW CAN I GO OUT THERE AND RECRUIT, YOU KNOW, OR CALL COUNSEL, WHATEVER.

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YOU KNOW, HELP US OUT.

SO I THINK THAT'S THAT'S WHAT, IF ANYTHING, WE CAN TAKE FROM THIS DISCUSSION TONIGHT.

AND THAT'S WHAT I'M A BIG, BIG FAN OF, OF BOARDS.

I SEE THE VALUE. I UNDERSTAND THE VALUE.

AND THAT'S WHERE I YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE CAN BE A LOT MORE EFFICIENT.

AND I THINK IF ANYTHING, WE SHOULD TAKE FROM THIS DISCUSSION TONIGHT IS THAT HOW CAN WE MAKE THESE BOARDS? WE HAVE A CITY OF ABOUT 130, 30,000.

WE'RE PUSHING TO 30,000 PEOPLE, 130,000 PEOPLE, I'M SURE ABOUT A DOZEN BOARD.

WE SHOULD HAVE PEOPLE WAITING, YOU KNOW, WAITING LIST TO SERVE.

SO BUT IT'S UP TO US TOGETHER TO DO IT.

AND THAT'S THE WAY I VIEW IT.

I THINK THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO STRENGTHEN THOSE BOARD AND PUT SOME STRUCTURE IN PLACE.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S PART OF THAT.

I'M I CAN'T SUPPORT THE TO DISSOLVE THIS BOARD I.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. JUST LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT I STILL FEEL THE SAME.

VOLUNTEER BOARDS ARE A HUGE RESOURCE FOR THE CITY AND FOR MYSELF.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR.

AND LIKE I SAID, I WAS READY TO I WAS READY TO FIGHT.

AND ONE OF THE COMPROMISES I WAS LOOKING TO DO, IF IF MY YOUTH ADVISORY BOARD WAS LOOKING TO GO, WAS TO COMBINE OR SOMEHOW DO SOMETHING WITH THE RECREATION AND YOUTH ADVISORY BOARD, BEING THAT THEY BOTH ENCOMPASS A LOT OF SOME OF THE SAME TOPICS BECAUSE THE YOUTH ADVISORY BOARD TALKED ABOUT POWELL AND TALKED ABOUT MENTORSHIP AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE AND TALKED ABOUT THE PARKS STUFF OF THAT NATURE.

AND I'M READING THROUGH A LOT OF THESE MINUTES IS YEAH, BECAUSE THEY DO MEET OFTEN, BUT MOST OF THE TIME I SEE IS USUALLY ALL MR. POPPY GIVING REPORTS.

BUT I DO SEE LIKE THINGS LIKE NEW BUSINESS IMPACT FEE PROJECTS.

HE'S EDUCATING ON THAT BECAUSE THAT IS IMPORTANT.

THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SO WITH WITH THIS ONE, IF WE WERE TO PUT IT TO.

SOMEHOW COMBINE IT BECAUSE WE AS A COUNCIL CAN DO THAT.

OR YOU KNOW WHAT? WHATEVER YOU'RE THINKING, COUNCILMAN FOSTER.

YEAH. THE DEPUTY MAYOR TOUCHING ON YOUR YOUTH ADVISORY BOARD IS SO, SO LIMITED, RIGHT? ONCE YOU'RE 19, YOU'RE OUT.

AND IT'S IT'S DIFFICULT TO GET THOSE YOUNGSTERS, BUT PERHAPS EXTENDING THAT AGE TO UP TO 21, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A POSSIBILITY OR.

OR IS IT? AND THEY KNOW.

SO IT'S ALL RIGHT.

IF I MAY, I'M SORRY. YEAH.

SO FOR SAFETY PURPOSES OF EVERYBODY ON THAT BOARD AND EVERYTHING GOING ON, I SEE THEY'RE ADOLESCENTS.

YES. WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. SO, LIKE, EVEN EVEN THE THREE ADULT MEMBERS HAVE TO BE FINGERPRINTED AND EVERYTHING.

SO JUST FOR SAFETY PURPOSES.

SO THEN WHY KEEP THEM AT 18? THEN WHAT? WHAT ARE THE WHAT ARE THE AGES FROM NINTH GRADE TO 12TH GRADE, BUT IT CAPS IT AT.

YEAH. SO IT CAPS IT OUT.

SO IT SHOULD BE 17 THEN.

RIGHT. THEY'RE SAYING, I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

BUT YEAH, BUT BY LITTLE TO THE 18, IS THAT CORRECT.

YES. BUT THEY'RE TALKING WITH THE SAME.

YEAH. BUT TALKING WITH CITY. YEAH.

BUT 18 WAS, WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO BE CUTTING OUT A LOT OF KIDS IF WE DO IT AT 18.

AND TO THE SAME TOKEN, I LEANED ON THE ATTORNEY WITH THIS WHEN WE MADE IT.

OKAY. I WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD CANDIDATES, BUT, YOU KNOW, BEARS.

RIGHT. THEY HAVE TO BE PALM BAY.

SO I'VE I'VE HAD YOU'RE RIGHT.

THAT HAS BEEN A DIFFICULT ONE FOR ME TO FILL.

REALLY, TRULY HAS.

BUT SO I GET YOUR POINT.

SOME ENFORCE TO YOU.

YEAH. I JUST WANT TO RESPOND WITH THE DEPUTY MAYOR.

THE REASON WHY I PULLED THE YOUTH ADVISORY, BECAUSE A LOT OF US HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO FILL THAT BOARD WITH YOUTH LIKE YOU JUST SAID. SO THAT'S THE REASON I PULL IT.

THAT'S NOT ON THE BOARD.

THAT'S ON US. THAT'S THE REASON I PULL IT.

AND THE DEPUTY MAYOR, I KNOW THAT WAS HIS BOARD, BUT I WAS READY TO.

BUT HE, HE COULD GO BACK AND WORK ON IT AND MAKE IT BETTER, LIKE YOU SAID.

NO. AND SO HIS POINT TO HIS POINT TO HIS POINT, I'M GOING TO MAKE A VALIANT EFFORT AND GOING TO THE HIGH SCHOOLS AT THIS POINT AND TRYING TO RECRUIT TO GET THAT APPOINTMENT, BECAUSE YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

I TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THAT.

I REALLY DO.

I TAKE OWNERSHIP FOR ALL OF IT.

AND. I STILL FEEL I STAND THE SAME WAY.

I CAN'T I CAN'T DISSOLVE A BOARD THAT I FEEL IS IS OF VALUE.

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I CAN SEE THE VALUE OF GETTING OUR YOUTH ENGAGED IN AN EARLY, EARLY TIME IN THEIR LIVES.

RIGHT. ESPECIALLY, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IN THE WEEKLY IN HIGH SCHOOL.

I WAS JUST.

IN STUDENT GOVERNMENT.

SO I REMEMBER GETTING ENGAGED THAT WAY AS A AS A GYMNAST AND 14, 15 YEAR OLD.

BUT I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS.

OKAY. WELL, I DON'T HAVE THE SUPPORT, BUT HERE'S I WILL PULL MY MOTION.

BUT HERE'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE FOR THE COUNCIL TO HEAR ME.

WE NEED TO APPROVE THESE BOARDS IF WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THEM.

THEY NEED TO WORK FOR THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

WE NEED TO IMPROVE AND GIVE IT MORE STRUCTURE BECAUSE TO ME, THE ONES THAT I PRESENTED ARE NOT DOING WHAT I FEEL IS HELPING PROGRESSING OUR DECISION MAKING AND MOVING FORWARD IN THE CITY.

SO WE NEED TO EITHER COME BACK WITH SOMETHING BETTER.

AND I'M GOING TO I'M NOT GOING TO BE THE ONE TO BRING IT BACK.

AND THAT THE DEPUTY MAYOR.

BUT. TO IMPROVE IT.

COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO FELIX TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT MAKE IT BETTER.

BECAUSE WE HAVE WE HAVE ANNOUNCEMENTS AT THE ANNOUNCEMENTS THAT THE ANNOUNCEMENTS CITIZENS ARE NOT GETTING ENGAGED.

WE HAVE BUDGET MEETINGS.

THEY'RE NOT SHOWING UP.

WE GOT TO DO BETTER BECAUSE THE CITY IS GROWING AND AND WE NEED TO MAKE THIS GOVERNMENT MORE EFFICIENT.

WELL, EFFICIENT. THAT'S THAT'S MY THAT'S MY THOUGHT PROCESS.

I'LL BE THERE. YOU KNOW, I THINK ADMINISTRATIVELY, COUNCILMAN FOSTER, I THINK I NEED COUNCILMAN FELIX TO PULL HIS SECOND.

BEFORE MY SECOND.

AND NOW AND I'LL PULL MY MOTION.

OKAY. SO WE DON'T HAVE EMOTION.

WE DON'T HAVE A SECOND.

SO NOW WE'RE ON COUNCIL REPORTS, COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO.

[COUNCIL REPORTS ]

THANK YOU ALL COUNCIL FOR COMING OUT ON TUESDAY FOR THE LOCAL PREFERENCE WORKSHOP.

WE HAD A GOOD DISCUSSION ON IT.

I KNOW IT DIDN'T TURN OUT THE WAY I WANTED TO, BUT IT WAS A HEALTHY DISCUSSION AND I THINK WE ALL LEARNED A LOT.

SO THANK YOU TO STAFF CITY COUNCIL AND THE PROCUREMENT OFFICE.

I JUST WANTED TO MENTION ONE MORE THING.

ONCE YOU CONSENT TO SOME CONCESSION, YOU CAN NEVER CANCEL IT AND PUT THINGS BACK THE WAY THEY ARE.

MAKE SURE YOU VOTE SATURDAY.

FRIDAY, FRIDAY OR SATURDAY FOR EARLY VOTING OR VOTE ON TUESDAY.

SO YOU CAN SEE WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSION ON HERE ABOUT THINGS BEING TAKEN AWAY, THINGS BEING ADDED, MORATORIUMS HAPPENING BOTH.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO COUNCILMAN FELIX.

AND SO WE'RE COUNCILWOMAN FILIBERTO JUST TO GET AWAY FROM ME, I WAS JUST JUST GOING ON THAT SAME PATH.

I MAY HAVE CONTINUE.

CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, THIS PROCESS IS THE BEDROCK OF DEMOCRACY, RIGHT? HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO FREELY GO OUT AND EXERCISE THAT RIGHT.

I CAN TELL YOU, I'D SAY, IF NOT MORE.

HALF OF THE WORLD DON'T HAVE THAT PRIVILEGE TO GO OUT AND VOTE AND CAST THEIR VOTE AND SAY, DETERMINE WHO'S GOING TO BE THEIR LEADERS.

I GREW UP IN A PLACE WHERE IT WASN'T ALWAYS A IT WAS A LUXURY TO GO OUT AND VOTE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO WATCH FOR, YOU KNOW, WATCH YOUR BACK.

IT WASN'T AS EASY TO GO OUT AND VOTE.

SO IT'S TRULY A PRIVILEGE.

AND AS COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO SAID, DO GO OUT AND VOTE OR DEMOCRACY IS NOT IS NOT CERTAINLY NOT FREE AND IT'S CERTAINLY FRAGILE.

CERTAINLY FRAGILE. SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE GO OUT AND VOTE AND VOTE FOR THE RIGHT PERSON, VOTE FOR LACK OF VOTER PARTICIPATION AND POTENTIALLY GET THE WRONG PERSON TO SIT ON THIS DICE.

SO MAKE SURE YOU ARE REPRESENTING.

ONLY WHEN WHEN WE HAVE GOOD PARTICIPATION, THEN YOU HAVE GOOD REPRESENTATION, IN MY OPINION.

SO DO GO OUT AND VOTE, PLEASE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

COUNCILMAN FOSTER.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. I WANT TO.

RESPOND TO A COMMENT THAT ONE OF THE CITIZENS MADE THAT, YOU KNOW.

WE KNOW WHO WE WERE. WE PUT WE KNOW WHO PUT YOU IN OFFICE.

I KNOW THAT EVERY DAY.

WELL, ONE THING I DON'T DO ON THIS DIET IS PLAY POLITICS.

I DON'T I DON'T CAMPAIGN FROM THE DIAS AND I DON'T PAY POLITICS FROM THE DIAS.

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I USE MY TIME.

TO SERVE THE CITIZENS OF PALM BAY.

I TAKE IT SERIOUSLY.

I'M A PROFESSIONAL.

AND I'VE BEEN SERVING THIS COUNTRY FOR OVER 30 YEARS.

I'VE BEEN SERVING THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

NOT OVER 30 YEARS, BUT ABOUT A YEAR OR SO, I SERVED I WORKED FOR THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

I WORKED FOR BREVARD COUNTY SCHOOLS.

NOW I'M WORKING FOR YOU, THE CITIZEN PALM BAY, AND YOU PUT ME IN OFFICE.

AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND I DON'T TAKE THAT FOR GRANTED.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK ABOUT IS MAKING SURE WHEN I LEAVE AT THE END OF MY TERM, WHETHER I'M ELECTED OR NOT, I'VE MADE THIS CITY BETTER.

I MADE IT SAFER.

I MADE IT MORE EFFICIENT.

AND I FEEL LIKE ALL MY COLLEAGUES FEEL THE SAME WAY.

SO WE WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO VOTE.

TOMORROW, SATURDAY AND ON TUESDAY.

DON'T WASTE THAT OPPORTUNITY.

I'M NOT GOING TO TELL YOU WHO TO VOTE FOR.

YOU MIGHT SEE ME AT THE POLLS.

CAMPAIGNING FOR A PARTICULAR CANDIDATE.

THAT'S MY CHOICE.

I DON'T TELL ANYBODY WHO TO VOTE FOR.

BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO MAKE THAT CHOICE.

YOU HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION.

WHEN I'M RUNNING, I WILL TELL YOU TO VOTE FOR ME.

THAT'S ABOUT IT. THAT'S THE ONLY PERSON I'M GOING TO TELL YOU TO VOTE FOR.

BUT I MIGHT SUPPORT A PARTICULAR CANDIDATE OR NOT.

NO MATTER. IS IT A FEDERAL OFFICE OR STATE OFFICE OR WHATEVER? SO I'M NOT GOING TO TELL YOU HOW I FEEL ABOUT ANY CANDIDATE.

BECAUSE IT'D BE A PREJUDICED VIEW FROM MY VIEW MIGHT BE DIFFERENT FROM YOURS.

SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS DEMOCRACY IS IMPORTANT.

DON'T LET ANYBODY TAKE YOUR VOTE.

MY ANCESTORS DIED FOR THE RIGHT TO VOTE.

MEDGAR EVERS. IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHO MEDGAR EVERS IS, GO LOOK THEM UP.

HE GOT SHOT IN THE BACK IN 1963 BECAUSE HE WAS RESISTING PEOPLE WITH THE NAACP TO VOTE.

SO I'M SAYING THIS IS SO IMPORTANT.

I DON'T CARE. WHAT PART ARE YOU IN? GO VOTE.

I HAVE PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT PARTIES COME UP TO ME AND SHAKE MY HAND.

AND WE MIGHT DISAGREE, BUT WE COULD AGREE THAT WE'RE BOTH HUMAN BEINGS, CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY, AND WE LOVE THAT FLAG THAT SIT BEHIND US, BOTH OF THEM, AND WE WORK TO MAKE IT BETTER.

SO PLEASE TAKE YOUR TIME.

GO AND VOTE EARLY.

DON'T WAIT TILL THE LAST MINUTE.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. THANK YOU.

COUNCILMAN FOSTER. DEPUTY MAYOR.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. I GOT A LAUNDRY LIST, SO BEAR WITH ME.

FIRST, I WANT TO GIVE KUDOS TO MISS SHERMAN STAFF.

EVERYONE. WHEN I CAME TO YOU ABOUT HOW BREVARD COUNTY HELD A JOB FAIR, YOU ALL WORKED QUICKLY AND DILIGENTLY, AND WE HAD PROBABLY OVER 100 APPLICANTS.

OVER 100 APPLICANTS ON OUR FIRST JOB FAIR.

AND THAT'S JUST THE FIRST ONE.

I SAY FIRST BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE.

SO THAT'S VERY ENCOURAGING WITH FILLING A LOT OF THE VACANCIES WITHIN THE CITY.

SO I WAS EXCITED BY IT.

IT WAS A PACKED HOUSE.

WE TALKED ABOUT DISPATCHERS.

THERE WAS A FEW PEOPLE WHO APPLIED SPECIFICALLY FOR DISPATCHING.

SO THAT HELPS OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT OUT TREMENDOUSLY.

SO I'M EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

ON TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

I WAS SUPPOSED TO MEET WITH CHIEF AJELLO REGARDING TO SPEAK ABOUT POWELL AND HURRICANE IAN HAD HAPPENED, SO WE HAD TO RESCHEDULE.

SO THAT'S STILL I'M STILL LOOKING TO BE WITH HIM AND BRING THAT BACK FOR COUNCIL EVEN IF WE DO A HYBRID.

BECAUSE ONE THING THAT WAS DISCUSSED ABOUT THE YOUTH ADVISORY BOARD WHEN WE LAST DID MEET WAS NOT NOT EVERY KID PLAYS BASKETBALL, YOU KNOW.

SO WE WERE LOOKING AT OTHER THINGS TO INCORPORATE ALL KIDS.

SO THE MAIN THING WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ALREADY I SPOKE IN PASSING WHICH HE FOR JELLO AND IF HE WANTS TO SPEAK TO IT HE CAN BUT STAFFING YOU KNOW, WE GOT TO MAKE SURE WE PATROL THE STREETS FIRST AND FOREMOST.

SO, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE CAN PROBABLY COME UP WITH A A HYBRID PROGRAM WITH VOLUNTEERS OR COPS OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.

SO THAT'S THE CONVERSATION I'M GONNA HAVE WITH HIM AND TRY TO BRING HIM BACK BEFORE COUNCIL.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM TAKING ON.

I DON'T WANT TO TAKE IT ON THE TASK.

AND LOOKING AT THE RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD.

COUNCILMAN FOSTER I THOUGHT THAT WAS SOMETHING YOU WOULD WANT TO DO, BUT I HAVE NO PROBLEM TALKING TO MR. POPPY AND WORKING TO SEE WHAT WHAT WE CAN FIX OR TIGHTEN UP.

NO, NO, NO. I CAN DO IT.

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I KNEW THE WOMAN, I KNEW HER.

I KNEW HER FOUR BOYS.

SO I KNEW THEM PERSONALLY.

AND I TALKED TO SOME OF THE FIREFIGHTERS THAT HAD TO GO OUT TO THAT CALL.

AND TO THAT POINT I'VE ALREADY SHARED WITH MS..

SHERMAN, I'M GOING TO BE MEETING WITH HER.

AND CHIEF HOAG. OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS A MECHANISM IN REGARDS TO MENTAL HEALTH OR THINGS THAT THEY COME ENCOUNTER WITH, BUT NOT REALLY SO MUCH OUR PALM BAY FIREFIGHTERS.

SO I'M REALLY GUNG HO ABOUT THAT BECAUSE MENTAL HEALTH IS HUGE, HUGE PLATFORM FOR SO MANY.

I SEE THE ASPECTS OF OF OUR VETERANS WITH MENTAL HEALTH IN PARTICULAR.

AND AND AS YOU KNOW, I'M A BIG PROPONENT OF OF HELPING THOSE HEAL IN THAT PROCESS.

RIGHT. EVEN SO EVEN THOSE THAT SUFFERED SO MUCH THAT THEY THEIR REACTION TO PTSD HAS CAUSED THEM TO MAKE SOME MISTAKES ALONG THE WAY.

RIGHT. SO, YEAH, I'M I'M SO SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.

I'VE HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS REGARDING MENTAL HEALTH AND AND OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS AND FIREFIGHTERS.

SO, YEAH, I LOVE TO SEE THAT.

I LOVE TO SEE THAT SAME TYPE OF PROGRAM.

AND THERE THERE ARE IT'S THERE ARE UCF RESTORES PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY REGARDING PTSD FREE OF CHARGE.

NO CHARGE TO ANY FIRST RESPONDER AND ANY VETERAN.

THE STATE ACTUALLY HAS FUNDED THAT.

SO AND THEY THEY FOR THE COMBAT VETERAN, THEY TAKE THEM BACK INTO DISCOVERING THEIR TRIGGERS WHILE THEY WERE OVERSEAS, WHEREVER IT'S KIND OF LIKE TAILORED TO AFGHANISTAN AND IRAQ.

BUT I COULD SEE THEM DOING THAT WITH THAT TECHNOLOGY, THAT VISUAL TECHNOLOGY FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, TAKING THEM TO THAT TYPE OF SCENE.

EVEN SO, YOU CAN IT TAKES YOU EVEN THE SMELL OF A COMBAT SITUATION OF AFGHANISTAN.

BUT ANYWAY, CARRY ON. YOU'RE MAYOR.

YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU TOUCHED ON SOMETHING THAT THAT THAT IS SO NEEDED IN OUR COMMUNITY.

YES, SIR. AND IT'S ABOUT IT'S ABOUT THE PRESERVATION OF OUR, YOU KNOW, THOSE WHO SERVE.

SO THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I WAS COMING OUT WITH THAT, SIR, THE LAST THE LAST THING I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT, WE HAD ALREADY PASSED WE HAD ALREADY PASSED SOMETHING PREVIOUSLY IN REGARDS TO WAREHOUSE.

AND AND I LOVE THAT WE'RE DOING SELF-STORAGE UNITS AND EVERYTHING.

BUT I THINK WHAT WE CAN LOOK AT POSSIBLY THROUGH TEXTUAL, TEXTUAL AMENDMENTS OR SOME SORT IS THE LOCATION OF THEM.

I FEEL, YOU KNOW, ON MAIN CORRIDORS THAT'S MORE SO FOR A RESTAURANT OR SOMETHING OF.

AND NATURE, YOU KNOW.

SO. BUT.

RIGHT NOW, THE WAY THE LANGUAGE IS WRITTEN, IT'S ALLOWED.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE AS A COUNCIL, IF I CAN WORK WITH STAFF, HAVE THE ABILITY TO LOOK AT CHANGING.

SO WE KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT AREAS WE WANT, WHERE WE WANT THEM.

AND, YOU KNOW, I MIGHT BRING BACK SOME TO COUNCIL AND COUNCILS, LIKE NOW WE WANT IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT IN REGARDS TO LOCATION OF SELF STORAGE IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

YEAH, YOU KNOW, I'M GOOD WITH THAT.

AND TO THAT POINT, RIGHT.

MY CONCERN IS IT'S STILL COMMERCIAL.

RIGHT. AND SO WOULD I HAVE PREFERRED SOMETHING ELSE ON BABCOCK STREET? LIKE, GIVE ME A NICE RESTAURANT WHERE THE COMMUNITY COMES? ABSOLUTELY. HOWEVER, THAT WASN'T BEFORE, AND THAT PROJECT IS STILL COMMERCIAL.

SO THE BALANCE IS THE PROPERTY RIGHTS.

RIGHT. AND THE FACT AND I HEAR WHERE YOU'RE GOING, BECAUSE I WOULD HAVE JUMPED ON BOARD WITH A, YOU KNOW, A RESTAURANT, WHETHER IT WOULD BE A FIRST WATCH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

RIGHT. BUT THERE'S A DELICATE BALANCE BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO HINDER THAT.

THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT IS.

THAT'S NOT THE PROJECT.

A COMMERCIAL PROJECT STILL COMES BEFORE US, THAT'S ALL.

I JUST WANTED TO ADD TO THAT THAT THAT STORAGE FACILITY, I MEAN, THERE WAS A LOT IN THE AREA, SO I ORIGINALLY I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO I WAS GOING TO BUY IT.

SO I STARTED CALLING THE STORAGE FACILITIES AND THEY'RE LIKE, WE DON'T WE DON'T HAVE CAPACITY.

WE DON'T HAVE CAPACITY. WE DON'T HAVE CAPACITY.

SO THEN I'M LIKE, WELL, ACTUALLY WE DO NEED STORAGE IN THIS AREA.

SO, YOU KNOW, I HAD TO DO MY RESEARCH THERE, BUT THEY JUST, YOU KNOW, DOING IT.

I WAS LIKE, ALL RIGHT, WELL, I GUESS WE'LL PROVE IT THEN, EVEN THOUGH IT IS VIRGIN LAND AND I WAS WITH YOU ON THAT, I'D RATHER SEE A RESTAURANT THERE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT ON THE MAIN CORRIDOR INSTEAD OF A STORAGE FACILITY.

BUT WHEN IT CAME DOWN TO IT, STORAGE FACILITY WAS NEEDED.

I HEAR YOU, SIR. IT'S A COMMERCIAL SPACE.

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IT'S JUST I'M JUST SHARING WITH YOU AS YOU CONSIDER THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THERE'S GOT TO BE A WAY THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT I'D RATHER HAVE SOME COMMERCIAL THAN NO COMMERCIAL.

THEY'RE YOUNG. OKAY, GOOD.

OKAY. CARRY ON, SIR.

THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU.

CONCLUDES YOUR REPORT. SO THAT CONCLUDES.

I'M GOING TO START WITH MY.

AND I ALSO HAVE A LAUNDRY LIST.

SO I THINK I STILL I BELIEVE WE'LL STILL MAKE THE MIDNIGHT HOUR.

SO THE FIRST THE FIRST ITEM I'D LIKE TO BRING UP.

YEAH, THE FIRST.

THE FIRST IS I WANT TO THANK THIS COUNCIL FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART.

AND I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY.

I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO A CONFERENCE AND I WOULD HAVE NEVER CONSIDERED IT UNLESS THIS COUNCIL WOULD ENTERTAIN MOVING OUR MEETING IN NOVEMBER.

AND I WANT TO TELL YOU THAT I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR YOUR SUPPORT OF THAT.

AND WORDS CAN'T EVEN DESCRIBE.

I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

IT APPEARS THAT AS YOU PEEL BACK THE ONION, THAT WAS OTHER STEPS TO GO TO THIS PROCESS.

SO I JUST SAID THANK YOU AND NO THANKS, BUT I WANT TO SHARE HOW MUCH I APPRECIATED YOUR WILLINGNESS TO ALLOW ME TO TAKE THIS CONFERENCE THAT'S ACTUALLY STILL GOING ON, BUT I WON'T BE ATTENDING.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

THE SECOND THING I WANT TO SHARE IS ONE OF THE RESPONSIBILITIES AS MAYORS THAT I TAKE REALLY SERIOUSLY IS IS IMPROVING OUR DIALOG AND LISTENING TO WHAT EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US BRINGS TO THE TABLE TO IMPROVE AND ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN OUR COMMUNITIES, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THAT IS. THIS PAST TUESDAY WE HAD A WORKSHOP AND IN THAT WORKSHOP WE HEARD WE HAD GOOD DIALOG AND WE UNDERSTOOD THERE WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION.

RIGHT NOW, MOST OF YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF MOST OF YOU KNOW, BUT I SHOULD SAY MOST OF YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT I'M A MAN OF FAITH AND I PRAY.

AND AND IN THAT PRAYER, SOMETHING WAS RELEASED INSIDE OF ME THAT I THINK WHAT OCCURRED WAS I WAS PAROCHIAL LOOKING AT THIS THIS LOCAL PREFERENCE ISSUE AS EXCLUSIVELY PALM BAY. RIGHT.

AND IF YOU GO BACK AND ANALYZE MY COMMENTS IN MY MIND, I'M THINKING PALM BAY AND WE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES IN PALM BAY WE REALLY DON'T.

BUT AT THE END AND IT SAT IN MY SPIRIT THAT EVENING AS I PRAYED, COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO SAID NOT EXCLUSIVELY PALM BAY, AND I OVERLOOKED THAT COMMENT.

COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO.

HE SAID BREVARD COUNTY TO KEEP THAT AS AN OPTION.

SO CANCEL MY I DON'T WANT TO REWRITE BECAUSE THAT BASED ON THE BRIEFING THAT WE RECEIVED, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE CHALLENGES ARE EVEN MORE DIFFICULT, RIGHT? HOWEVER. IS THERE AN APPETITE? ON THIS COUNCIL BECAUSE WE ALREADY VOTED ON THAT.

BUT IS THERE AN APPETITE TO LOOK AT A POSSIBILITY? AND I'M NOT GOING TO SAY I DON'T WANT TO.

NAME IT LOCAL PREFERENCE.

I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE HANDCUFFING OURSELVES.

AND THAT'S WHERE MY THOUGHT PROCESS WAS DURING THAT WORKSHOP.

HOWEVER, WOULD IS THERE AN APPETITE FROM THIS COUNCIL TO LOOK AT IF THERE IS A WAY THAT WE COULD CONSIDER ANOTHER VENDOR WITHIN BREVARD COUNTY AS OPPOSED TO JUST PALM BAY AND CONSIDER THAT AS PART OF THE PROCESS? I JUST WANT TO SEE IF THERE'S AN APPETITE FOR THAT, RECOGNIZING WE ALL ARE.

IS THERE AN APPETITE TO HAVE COUNCIL EVEN CONSIDER OR HAVE STAFF EVEN CONSIDER THAT? I WOULD SAY WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL WITH THAT BECAUSE THEY CAN LOOK AT IT CAN LOOK LIKE CRONY CAPITALISM IN A WAY, LIKE JUST THE APPEARANCE OF SOMEBODY CLEARLY HAS.

THEIR CREDENTIALS AND EVERYTHING.

BUT WE HAVE SOMEONE LOCAL WHO WE LOVE, BUT WE IT'LL LOOK LIKE A BAIT AND SWITCH.

THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN. IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE A BAIT AND SWITCH.

SO BEING THAT CITY OF PALM BAY IT'S GOTTEN OUT OF, WE'VE GONE A LONG WAY FROM, YOU KNOW, FROM, YOU KNOW, HOMES FOR WARRIORS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. I WOULD JUST WANT US TO TREAD CAREFULLY WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT, SIR.

EVEN, YOU KNOW, LIKE IN THE COUNTY.

[04:35:01]

YEAH, I GOT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

YEAH. THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS THAT.

CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE COUNTY DIDN'T HAVE A LOCAL PREFERENCE.

THAT IS CORRECT. THE COUNTY DOES DIDN'T HAVE A LOCAL PRESS.

THAT'S CORRECT. AND THAT REALLY SURPRISED ME.

SO. WELL, THEY REMOVED IT.

THEY REMOVED IT. AND THAT'S THAT'S YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT KIND OF SWAYED MY DECISION NOT TO GO WITH THE LOCAL IP, THOUGH.

SO THE COUNTY THE COUNTY CARE ABOUT COUNTY BUSINESS? I THINK THEY DO, BUT THEY DIDN'T.

THEY DIDN'T DO THE LOCAL PREFERENCE.

OKAY, WELL, THAT'S FELIX.

YOU WANT TO WEIGH IN? I'M JUST SHARING MY HEART HERE.

THAT WAS OK.

COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO.

I APPRECIATE THE THOUGHTS, MAYOR, AND I JUST WANT TO THANK THIS COUNCIL AGAIN FOR COMING OUT ON TUESDAY FOR THAT SPECIAL MEETING AND FOR THAT FOR THAT WORKSHOP THAT WAS CALLED STAFF AS WELL. IT WAS A GOOD, HEALTHY CONVERSATION, AND I'M JUST HAPPY WE WERE ALL ABLE TO GET TOGETHER AND DISCUSS IT.

AND IT WAS A HEALTHY CONVERSATION.

I'M JUST TELLING YOU AFTER MY PRAYER, IT WAS LIKE, WELL, DID I DISCOUNT THAT? AND I WANTED TO BRING IT TO COUNCIL TO SEE BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT FOR ME TO FOR YOU TO KNOW THAT I, I APPRECIATE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOUR INPUT IN, IN, IN BEING MAYOR IS GETTING THE BEST OUT OF EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU.

AND RIGHT. SO BEFORE YOU CONTINUE ON THERE, BECAUSE I'M WATCHING THE CROWD, THEY'RE NOT FOLLOWING WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T HERE TUESDAY.

COULD YOU KIND OF QUICKLY ELABORATE? SURE. OR SO THIS.

YEAH, I CAN DEFINITELY I'LL GIVE THE MIC TO COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO IF HE'D LIKE, SINCE HE BROUGHT UP THE WORKSHOP.

SO JUST ON TUESDAY.

AND THEN MAYBE YOU CAN JUMP IN IF YOU WISH.

ON TUESDAY, WE HAD A SPECIAL WORKSHOP HERE DISCUSSING THE LOCAL LOCAL PREFERENCE ORDINANCE FOR FOR BUSINESSES HERE IN PALM.

BASICALLY, IF YOU HAD A LOCAL BUSINESS HERE IN PALM BAY OR BREVARD COUNTY, WE WOULD GIVE YOU SOME SORT OF TREATMENT.

THERE WAS A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS THERE.

WE WENT THROUGH ALL THE OPTIONS AND NONE OF THE OPTIONS REALLY SEEM TO SEEM TO WORTHY FOR FOR FOR PASSAGE.

JUST A SYNOPSIS OF IT.

SO BUT WE ALL DIG IT TOGETHER.

WE ALL DISCUSS IT. IT WAS AN IMPORTANT THING TO DISCUSS, BUT WE DIDN'T FEEL THE NEED FOR IT IN OUR CITY.

CORRECT. THANK YOU. THANK AND THANK YOU FOR READING THE AUDIENCE LIKE THAT.

I THANK YOU FOR THAT.

SO THEN I JUST WANT TO SAY AND I KNOW THAT I'VE SAID THIS ALREADY IS I WANT TO WELCOME THE COMMUNITY OUT FOR VETERANS.

OUR VETERANS DAY PARADE IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO HONOR THOSE.

WE TALK ABOUT FREEDOMS. WE TALK ABOUT OUR REPUBLIC, OUR CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC.

WE TALK ABOUT THESE THINGS.

BUT THE PEOPLE THAT.

ANSWERED THE CALL.

OTHER VETERANS OF OUR ARMED FORCES AND LET ME ENCOURAGE YOU TO HONOR THEM.

AND THEN I ALSO I'D BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY THAT ON NOVEMBER 10TH, THE UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS CELEBRATE CELEBRATING 247 YEARS.

WE WERE BORN IN TUN TAVERN, PENNSYLVANIA.

YES, THE MARINE CORPS WAS BORN IN A TAVERN.

AND HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MARINES.

AND THEN I'M GOING TO END ON A GREAT NOTE.

THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL, THE CULTURAL COMMITTEE AND THE COUNCIL APPROVED A $10,000 GRANT FOR THE CITY OF PALM BAY IN THAT EXCITING ERA.

AND THAT ENDS MY DEBT, ENDS MY REPORTS.

SO NOW WE'RE ON ADMINISTRATIVE AND LEGAL.

[ADMINISTRATIVE AND LEGAL REPORTS ]

I HAVE THREE QUICK THINGS. ONE IS JUST TO ACTUALLY FOLLOW UP ONE OF THE THINGS YOU SAID.

SO I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR FOR ALL MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT OUR NEXT MEETING IN NOVEMBER IS GOING TO BE THE REGULAR SCHEDULED DATE OF NOVEMBER 17TH, NOT THE 21ST, WHICH WE WERE TALKING ABOUT LAST MEETING.

SO IT'S NOVEMBER 17TH OF THURSDAY.

SECOND THING IS TO REMIND THOSE WHO ARE INTERESTED THE NEXT THURSDAY IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT 6 P.M., WE DO HAVE THE SECOND PUBLIC WORKSHOP RELATED TO OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING PROCESS, SO SIMILAR TO THOSE WHO CAME BEFORE WHO MAY HAVE SEEN BEFORE.

THERE WOULD BE A VARIETY OF TABLES, DISPLAYS, PLACES AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR YOU TO PROVIDE YOUR INPUT ON DIFFERENT TYPES OF TOPICS.

FOR THE CONSULTANTS WHO ARE BUILDING THE COMP PLAN CHANGES FOR US.

LAST BUT NOT LEAST, I WANTED TO LET FOLKS KNOW THAT WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF UPDATING, REALLY CREATING A NEW STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THE CITY.

AND SO WE'VE GOT A SURVEY THAT'S BEEN RELEASED TO THE COMMUNITY.

THERE WAS A NOTICE THAT WENT ON ON OUR WEBSITE.

WE'VE BEEN PUTTING IT ON FACEBOOK, BUT CERTAINLY WOULD LIKE FEEDBACK BECAUSE WHAT IT WILL DO IS HELP GUIDE SOME OF THE PRIMARY GOALS.

I THINK WE WE ALL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE SAME THINGS, SO WE'RE PROBABLY ALREADY FAIRLY ALIGNED BUT WOULD LOVE COMMUNITY INPUT ON THAT.

THE WEBSITE TO FIND THAT SURVEY IS W WW PBC FLAWED AGAIN STRATEGIC PLAN AND THAT CONCLUDES MY COMMENTS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MA'AM.

MADAM SMITH.

[04:40:01]

SO NOW WE'RE ON PUBLIC COMMENTS WHICH ARE IN.

[PUBLIC COMMENTS/RESPONSES ]

SOME REAL QUICK THINGS.

TALKING ABOUT THE HIGH SCHOOL AND CROSSING MALABAR ROAD OR TO WEST END.

AND YOU MENTIONED VIENNA.

THEY HAVE A TUNNEL UNDER THE MAIN ROAD.

THAT MAY BE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO TALK WITH THIS DEVELOPER ABOUT.

I MEAN, THEY PUT THAT TUNNEL THERE WHEN A FOUR LANE, SIX LANE, WHATEVER HAPPENS TO IT, THE KIDS GO UNDERNEATH AND THEY'RE SAFE.

THE OTHER THING I WANT TO KNOW IS THERE IS THERE ANY RENTAL HOUSE GUIDELINES? SAY AN ESTABLISHED COMMUNITY WHERE LIKE I LIVE ON.

IS THERE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF HOMES THAT CAN BE RENTALS OR COULD A DEVELOPER COME IN AND BUY A HALF A BLOCK AND PUT SIX, SEVEN RENTAL HOMES ON THAT STREET? I LOOKED I CAN'T FIND ANY GUIDANCE.

ALSO, IS THERE A LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF SEPTIC TANKS THAT CAN BE ON A STREET? WHAT'S ALL THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT? INTERNAL NEIGHBORHOODS.

THERE'S JUST LOTS OF THEM ARE GOING IN.

AND I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO MADE THE COMMENT.

ONE OF THE COUNCIL GUYS UP THERE, BUT THEY WERE THE MANAGER.

I JUST WANTED TO REMIND YOU ALL THAT YOU ARE THE MANAGERS, BUT WE'RE THE TEAM OWNERS.

SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND.

AND THEN ONE PERSONAL THING.

JUST BEFORE THE HURRICANE COME IN, I LEFT FOR MY ANNUAL TRIP.

I SENT SOME PHOTOS OF SOME THRUSHES THAT WERE BEING PUT INTO A HOME THAT WERE MILDEW RIDDEN.

I SHARED THEM WITH BILL BEFORE I LEFT, BUT I SENT SOMEONE TO ALL OF YOU GUYS.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GOT HIM OR NOT.

AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S ANY FOLLOW UP ON THAT, BECAUSE, I MEAN, IT WAS BLACK MOLD.

AND THEY'VE PUT THE WALLBOARD IN THE HOUSE TODAY.

AND I CAN GIVE YOU THE ADDRESS.

TO LOOK AT. AND GET OUT AND VOTE.

AND THANK YOU ALL FOR ALL YOU DO FOR US.

APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.

LIAM CORCORAN CAN WE GET SOME ANSWERS ON THE RENTAL HOMES IN PARTICULAR, MA'AM? ON ON A CERTAIN STREET? YEAH, THERE ARE NO THERE ARE NO GUIDELINES.

PEOPLE CAN BUILD WHOLE SUBDIVISIONS THAT ARE COMPLETELY RENTAL.

THERE'S NO, NO GUIDELINES FOR REGARDING, LIKE, THE, THE NON HOA TYPE OF GENERAL DEVELOPMENT KIND OF AREAS.

THEY COULD BE PURCHASED BY RENTAL HOME COMMUNITIES.

THE ONLY PLACE THAT MIGHT HAVE RESTRICTIONS WOULD BE LIKE HOAS, AND THEY HAVE RESTRICTIONS WITHIN THERE.

BUT ALSO, I DON'T KNOW, I'VE NEVER HEARD THAT THERE'S A LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF SEPTIC TANKS ON A STREET.

THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION THAT WE CAN CERTAINLY ASK THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH TO TRY TO FIND OUT BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE THE ONE TO GOVERN THAT IT'S USUALLY ALL ABOUT ONE STRUCTURE, ONE SEPTIC TANK.

BUT AND I WAS TRYING TO FIND THE EMAIL YOU WERE REFERENCING REAL QUICK.

I CAN'T FIND IT OFFHAND REAL FAST, BUT IF YOU WANT TO GET WITH ME AFTER ALL, CHECK AND SEE WHAT WHAT STAFF DID ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR ITEM.

WE'D LIKE TO GET THAT ADDRESS AND FOLLOW UP.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, BUTCH.

YES, SIR. SORRY ABOUT THE SCREW UP BEFORE.

I WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT ITEM NUMBER SIX, WHICH IS ON THE AGENDA TODAY.

AND I THINK IT'S IRRESPONSIBLE FOR THIS BOARD TO APPROVE THAT.

IT HAS. IT'S A FIRE TRUCK.

IMAGINE THIS BUILDING WITH NO WINDOWS AND ONLY ONE DOOR.

AND WE ALL GOT TO FILE THROUGH THAT DOOR WITH 200 PEOPLE.

IF THERE'S A FIRE, EVERYBODY'S GOING TO TRY TO LEAVE AND THEN IT'S GOING TO BE FIRE TRUCKS TRYING TO COME BACK IN.

SO I THINK IT'S I THINK I DON'T THINK I WOULD SLEEP TONIGHT IF I MADE THAT DECISION, TO BE VERY HONEST WITH YOU.

I WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY I SAID THIS EARLIER, THERE WAS TWO FIRES IN BAYSIDE LAKES LESS THAN TEN YEARS APART.

I LOOKED IT UP. ONE WAS THE MOTHER'S DAY PARK FIRE.

IF EVERYBODY REMEMBERS THAT, THE OTHER FIRE WAS ACTUALLY CREATED BY THE BUILDER, D.R.

HORTON. HE WAS BURNING BRUSH IN THERE AND IT GOT OUT OF CONTROL.

THAT WAS ON APRIL 4TH, 2018.

LESS THAN TEN YEARS.

FIRES DO HAPPEN.

SO I WISH YOU WOULD INSIST ON ANOTHER X-RAY ROOM.

ANOTHER ANOTHER POINT WAS OLD, OLD COUNTRY ROAD, WHICH IS RIGHT WHERE THAT FIRE OCCURRED.

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SO WE NEED TO HAVE ANOTHER EXIT FOR THAT.

NUMBER SIX, PLEASE.

OKAY. SO ONE OTHER THING, ACTUALLY, TWO OTHER THINGS.

AND ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, I MADE A COMMENT ABOUT GREEN SPACE AND BASICALLY THE REPRESENTATIVE SAID IT'S SOMEWHERE IN THE REPORT.

GO FIGURE IT OUT. NOT WORTH MY TIME COMING HERE.

THAT'S THE KIND OF ANSWER I'M GOING TO GET.

IT'S KIND OF AN INSULT.

AND LASTLY.

WELL, TWO THINGS. CHARTER NUMBER 93.

WHEN WILL THAT BE SCHEDULED AGAIN? SHERMAN, CAN YOU TELL ME WHEN THAT WILL BE? SORRY. I'M SORRY.

DECEMBER THE SIXTH. DECEMBER SIX.

SO THAT'S A TUESDAY NIGHT, RIGHT? YES, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU.

AND AS MY PREVIOUS SPEAKER WAS MENTIONING, ARE THERE ANY CODES ON SOLAR PANELS? LOTS OF PEOPLE ARE PUTTING SOLAR PANELS ON THEIR HOUSES NOWADAYS.

AND ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO SCREW THOSE DOWN INTO THE INTO THIS ROOF CHOICE OR JUST WILLY NILLY SCREW THEM DOWN ANYWHERE? BECAUSE MY CONCERN IS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A HURRICANE IN HERE.

EVERYBODY THINKS THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE SOLAR, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE ELECTRICITY WHEN IT'S ALL DONE AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE LAYING ALL OVER THE YARD.

SO THAT'S ONE THING THAT I WOULD MENTION TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.

FIND OUT. I KNOW THEY PUT THEM ON MY HOUSE.

THE SALESMAN TOLD ME THEY WERE GOING TO PUT THEM INTO INTO THE ROOF JOISTS.

AND THEY'RE ALL THROUGH THE PLYWOOD.

SO THEY'RE JUST GOING TO TEAR OFF WHEN THERE'S A GOOD WIND.

SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. THAT IS INTERESTING, MA'AM.

ARE THERE CODES FOR SOLAR PANELS? ARE THEY ANCHORED? THERE ARE BUILDING CODES.

I WILL CERTAINLY GET OUR BUILDING OFFICIAL TO DISCUSS THAT FURTHER.

I DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO THE CRITERIA, ALTHOUGH I CAN SPEAK ON THAT.

BECAUSE YOU HAVE SOLAR PANELS.

I HAVE SOLAR PANELS.

AND THERE ARE THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.

THE COUNTY COMES OUT BEFORE THE.

YOU KNOW, YOU'RE SORT OF POUNDS GET APPROVED FOR WORK.

SO THEY COME AND INSPECT IT.

AND IF IT DON'T MEET THE MUSTER, YOU CAN'T TURN ON YOUR SOLAR PANEL.

SO THEY DO SCREW INTO THE ROOF AND AND IT'S OPPOSED TO THE TRUSSES SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO WITHSTAND A CATEGORY ONE.

I DID PRETTY GOOD LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, THOUGH.

I THOUGHT THE ROOF WAS GOING TO STARTED CRANKING A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT DID PRETTY GOOD.

MY MY POWER IS STILL THERE.

THAT'S A OH YEAH IT IS.

THE COUNTY LOOKS AT THAT AND I HAD TO WAIT THREE WEEKS TO GET MY EYES TURNED ON.

SO THE COUNTY AND PALM BAY COMES OUT.

YEAH. YEAH.

BUT EITHER WAY, SEE IF WE HAVE ANY CODES THAT BUILDING CODES REGARDING THE SO THE BUILDING OFFICIAL IS WATCHING AND IS TEXTING ME THE INFORMATION.

HE'S JUST ADVISING THAT THERE IS PERMITTING AND THERE'S A STRUCTURAL INSPECTION ALL REQUIRED AS TO THE ACTUAL BUILD DETAILS.

I'M SURE IT'S IN THE BUILDING CODE AND YOU CAN ELABORATE FURTHER.

I'LL GIVE HIM MR. CORCORAN'S CONTACT INFO.

ALSO GOT SOME CONTACT.

OH, AND HE ALSO SAYS THAT THEY'RE TO BE RATED 450 MILE PER HOUR WINDS.

SO IF THEY'RE INSTALLED CORRECTLY.

ALSO, HE DID SEND ME AN EMAIL.

I'M NOT SURE. MR.. OURAND IF THE PROPERTY YOU WERE LOOKING AT WAS TRENTON AVENUE SOUTHWEST, BUT WE.

LOOK. 236 WILLMOTT.

OKAY, WELL, WE'LL CHECK ON THAT ONE.

BUT HE SENT ME ON ONE, I GUESS THEY HAD HAD MOLDY TRUSSES AND THEY SENT A REMEDIATION LETTER TO THE BUILDER AND REQUIRING THEM TO COMPLY WITH NOT HAVING FOLDED TRUSSES UP IN THE HOUSE.

SO WE'LL FIND OUT ABOUT THE WILMETTE ONE TWO.

THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? NATHAN WHITE.

NATHAN WHITE 1301 SEABURY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

I JUST WANT TO AGREE WITH AND REITERATE A COUPLE OF THE STATEMENTS MADE.

I'M VERY EXCITED FOR THE VETERANS DAY PARADE.

I LOVE THAT WE DO A VETERANS DAY PARADE.

IT WAS VERY WELL ATTENDED LAST YEAR, AND I THINK IT WILL BE EVEN MORE WELL-ATTENDED THIS YEAR.

VERY MUCH LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.

I KNOW I BELIEVE BILL POSEY IS LEADING THE PARADE AGAIN THIS YEAR.

HE IS THE GRAND MARSHAL.

YES, SIR. YES, IT'S GOING TO BE GREAT.

THIS SATURDAY. PARADE STARTS AT 9:09 A.M..

900 HOURS, SIR. GREAT.

EVEN IF I WAS LATE. I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO ECHO COUNCILMAN FOSTER'S CALL TO VOTE.

TUESDAY IS ELECTION DAY.

AND IT'S IT'S ON.

IT'S ON A LOT OF PEOPLE'S MINDS.

AND I WOULD JUST SAY THAT, YES, EVERY VOTE MATTERS.

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IT IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN MOST PEOPLE THINK AND DO.

PLEASE TAKE THE TIME.

FIND THE TIME.

I KNOW IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE EASY.

THE BALLOTS PRETTY BIG THIS YEAR.

I THINK IT'S SIX PAGES.

MY SAMPLE WAS.

BUT TAKE THE TIME TO SIT DOWN OR SCHEDULE OUT AN HOUR OR SO TO RESEARCH ALL OF THE DIFFERENT THINGS ON THERE.

THEY'RE NOT ALL 100% CLEAR, AND THERE'S A LOT FOR THE STATE, COUNTY, CITY RESEARCH IT BECAUSE WHAT YOU PUT ON THAT BALLOT MATTERS.

IT HAS AN EFFECT.

SO TAKE THE TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE MAKING NOT EVEN JUST THE RIGHT CHOICE, BUT THE CHOICE THAT DOES TRULY ALIGN WITH YOUR BELIEFS OR VALUES, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, POLITICAL THINGS, LEGAL THINGS, THE WORDING CAN BE CONFUSING AT TIMES, AND YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE CASTING THE VOTE.

YOU MEAN TO FOR THE VARIOUS AMENDMENTS AND SUCH.

AND ALSO AGREE AND THANK FOR THE STATEMENT OF NOT TELLING PEOPLE WHO TO VOTE FOR FROM THE DIOCESE.

OF COURSE, THAT WOULD BE A VIOLATION OF PALM BAY'S THE CITY OF PALM BAY CODE OF ETHICS.

SIMILARLY TO YOU WERE TRYING TO RUN FOR REELECTION AND YOU RAN ALL YOUR CAMPAIGN ADS WEARING A CITY SHIRT WITH THE CITY EMBLEM ON IT OR FILMING YOUR CAMPAIGN AD IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS.

IT WOULD JUST KIND OF BE INAPPROPRIATE.

I'M SO LOOKING FORWARD TO THE VETERANS DAY PARADE.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO THE MARINE CORPS.

AND WE'LL SEE YOU GUYS IN NOVEMBER.

THANK YOU. ANY OF THE SPEAKER.

ISOBEL RIGHT. AND THEN BILL BATTEN.

THANK YOU AGAIN.

I'M HERE AGAIN TO SPEAK ABOUT THE POW PROGRAM.

YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU HAD SCHEDULE AN APPOINTMENT WITH THE CHIEF.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT I'VE BEEN FIGHTING FOR THIS FOR EIGHT YEARS.

AND WHEN I SAY FIGHTING, I'VE GONE THROUGH FOUR CHIEFS DISCUSSING THIS.

THE FACT THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE MEETINGS BEHIND CLOSED DOORS AND NOT INCLUDE ME, IT'S OFFENSIVE TO ME.

WHY? BECAUSE I AM SO PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS PROGRAM.

OUR KIDS ARE AT RISK.

THE PILOT PROGRAM IS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED FOR KIDS AT RISK.

THE EXPLORER PROGRAM IS DESIGNED FOR KIDS TO WANT TO GO INTO LAW ENFORCEMENT.

AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE AS A COMMUNITY.

A LOT OF PEOPLE MIGHT NOT KNOW THAT THAT THE EXPLORER PROGRAM IS STILL IN PLACE AND THEY STILL HAVE MEETINGS.

THE POW PROGRAM IS NOT.

OUR KIDS ARE AT RISK.

THE MINORITY KIDS ARE AT RISK.

THEY DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO GO.

THEY DON'T HAVE ANYBODY TO LOOK UP FOR.

SOMETIMES THEY DON'T HAVE A FATHER FIGURE.

SOMETIMES THEY HAVE A MOTHER FIGURE.

THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS SUPPOSED TO BE TAKING THAT ON.

AND I THINK AS A CITY THAT HAS OVER 130,000 PEOPLE AND WE DON'T HAVE OUR OWN POW PROGRAM AND WE ARE GIVING 28,000 TO THE CITY OF MELBOURNE FOR 12 STUDENTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE PARTICIPATING IN THE PROGRAM.

I THINK THAT YOU AS A CITY COUNCIL SHOULD PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA AND WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS EVEN FURTHER BECAUSE I WILL CONTINUE TO FIGHT.

I WANT THAT MEETING AND I WANT TO BE INCLUDED IN THAT MEETING BECAUSE I REPRESENT THE KIDS THAT DON'T HAVE A VOICE.

THE PARENTS STILL DON'T HAVE A VOICE.

WE HAD A WONDERFUL POW PROGRAM BEFORE THE TRAGEDY HAPPENED, BUT WE NEED TO MOVE ON FROM THAT AND REINSTATED OUR FARGO WANTS THREE WITH A POW PROGRAM HAS NOT BEEN SHUT DOWN.

IT'S STILL ACTIVE.

WE JUST NEED TO REINSTATE IT AND GET IT UP AND RUNNING THE MONEY.

IF WE HAVE MONEY TO FUND OTHER THINGS, WE NEED TO FUND THE POW PROGRAM.

WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT OUR KIDS AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE KIDS HAVE A PLACE TO GO AFTER SCHOOL.

WE HAVE A SENIOR CENTER THAT IS EMPTY AFTER 3:00 IN THE AFTERNOON.

WHEN YOU TELL ME THAT THERE'S NO PLACE FOR OUR KIDS TO MEET, THEN WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT CENTER THAT THEY PAY A DOLLAR A YEAR IN RENTAL.

AND IT'S JUST SITTING THERE. AND WHEN OUR KIDS CAN USE IT IN THE AFTERNOON, SPLIT THE BUILDING IN HALF, LET US USE IT IN THE AFTERNOON.

BUT THERE'S A PLACE FOR OUR CHILDREN TO GO.

I MIGHT BE SAYING THINGS THAT PEOPLE DON'T AGREE WITH, BUT OUR KIDS ARE AT RISK.

AND ANOTHER THING, THE EXPLORER WEBSITE, IT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT.

I DISCUSSED IT WITH THE CHIEF.

IT HAS NOT BEEN CHANGED.

THERE'S A DISCLOSURE IN THERE THAT YOU HAVE TO BE A UNITED STATES CITIZEN TO PARTICIPATE IN THE EXPLORER PROGRAM.

YOU CANNOT FORCE A 15 YEAR OLD OR A 16 YEAR OLD TO BE U.S.

CITIZENS TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT PROGRAM.

THAT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED IMMEDIATELY.

THAT'S A VIOLATION OF THEIR CIVIL RIGHTS TO PARTICIPATE IN A CIVIC ORGANIZATION AS PART OF THEIR SCHOOL.

AND AS FAR AS THE YOUTH BOARD, I GO TO THE SCHOOL BOARD AND I'M PART OF THE DIVERSITY ORGANIZATION WITHIN THE SCHOOL BOARD.

AND I CAN TELL YOU, IF YOU GO TO THE SCHOOL, YOU WILL GET STUDENTS TO PARTICIPATE ON YOUR BOARD.

THE KIDS ARE HUNGRY TO BE A PART OF SOMETHING, SO WE NEED TO GET THE PELL PROGRAM.

I NEED ONE OF YOU TO STEP UP AND SAY, I'M GOING TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.

I BEG YOU. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. GO ABOUT.

BILL BATTEN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST.

IF THE BOARDS MEET, KEEP THEM.

THE BOARDS FAIL TO MEET CANHAM.

VERY SIMPLE. OR YOUR ADVISORY STUDENT ADVISORY BOARD.

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AND DON'T WORRY ABOUT AGE GROUP.

IF YOU JUST MAKE A STUDENT ADVISORY BOARD INSTEAD OF YOUTH ADVISORY BOARD, YOU'LL KNOW THEY MEET THAT CRITERIA.

THAT WAS SOMEBODY ELSE'S INPUT.

VERY GOOD. SEPTIC TANKS WITHIN THE CITY OF PALM BAY REGIONAL REGIONAL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAD IT ONE THIRD, ONE THIRD, ONE THIRD, ONE THIRD ON SEPTIC TANKS, ONE THIRD. YOU COULD NOT DEVELOP THAT BLOCK PROPORTIONATELY TO WHAT WAS AVAILABLE WATER, SEWER, SEPTIC.

THAT WAS WHAT THE DIVIDING POINT ON.

BUT OF COURSE, WHEN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS REWRITTEN, THAT WAS TAKEN OUT, BUT IT WAS ORIGINALLY SET THAT WAY.

BUT YOU KNOW HOW IT IS COMP PLANS ONLY AS GOOD AS THE PLANNING THAT GOES INTO IT.

RIGHT. HAL'S PROGRAM, THE REASON THE POWELLS, PLURAL, GRAND.

YOU KNOW ME, I'M DOING MY HISTORY HERE THE PALS PROGRAM WAS THAT WAS IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

IT WAS CANCELED BECAUSE OF FINANCIAL BACKING THAT WE ARE HAVING A HARD TIME WITH.

WE HAD TO DECIDE WHAT WAS GOING TO BE CUT AT THAT TIME, AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.

SO SO IT WAS CUT WITH THAT.

YOU ALSO HAD TO HAVE THE POLICE OFFICERS WERE ALREADY HAVING POLICE PROBLEM SHORTAGE.

NOW YOU HAVE TO PUT THE PANELS, POLICE WHERE YOU HAVE TO HAVE A POLICE OFFICER THERE, WHICH MEANS, JUST LIKE THE CHIEF SAYS, WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE ROADS FIRST, THEN WE'LL WORRY ABOUT OUR PROGRAMS. WE CAN'T JUST SAY, WELL, IT'D BE A NICE PROGRAM FOR 28 KIDS, BUT IT'S ALSO GOING TO MEAN THAT WE NOW HAVE 130 OTHER RESIDENTS THAT AREN'T GETTING A POLICE PROTECTION.

SO REMEMBER, THERE IS A PLUS AND A MINUS FOR EVERY ONE OF THOSE FUNCTIONS.

ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

IF YOU WERE HAVING A POLICE AND FIRE PROBLEM, AS IT IS NOW, STAFFING AND MEETING THE CRITERIA, THE AND WE'RE SAYING, WELL, I WISH THE DEVELOPER WOULD DO THAT.

THE ONLY PLACE THAT THE ONLY REASON THAT THE DEVELOPERS HAVE AN IMPACT FEE THAT'S IT.

THEY CANNOT STAFF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEY CANNOT STAFF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

THEY CAN HELP.

BUT THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM.

THE SOLUTION TO THE POLICE AND FIRE COMES FROM YOU.

YOU ARE THE ONES WHO ARE GOING TO SAY, WE'VE SET THIS AS THE HIGHEST PRIORITY OR THE LOWEST PRIORITY OR THE PRIORITY IN BETWEEN.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, THAT RUNS INTO YOUR BUDGETING AND THEN YOU PASS IT ONE YEAR.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S GOING TO BE THERE THE NEXT YEAR, BUT YOU KNOW ALL OF THAT.

SO THE AGAIN, POLICE AND FIRE ULTIMATELY REVERTS BACK TO YOU.

UNFORTUNATELY, IT MIGHT ALSO MEAN THAT SOMEDAY I HATE SAYING THIS, YOU MIGHT SAY, WELL, WE HAVE TO HAVE A FUNDING SOURCE FOR OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND WE HAVE TO HAVE A FUNDING SOURCE FOR OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT.

AND IT MIGHT NOT BE AD VALOREM TAXES.

I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT HAPPEN, BUT THAT MIGHT BE WHAT DOES HAPPEN.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE WISH TO COME AND SPEAK BEFORE US, RANDALL? RANDALL OLSZEWSKI 348 BROOK STREET, NORTHEAST.

I'M GOING TO TAKE EVERY 3 MINUTES I POSSIBLY CAN.

SO FAR AS VACANCIES ON BOARDS GO.

THE LAST TIME I REACHED OUT TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE, NOT THE CLERK AND NOT THE DEPUTY CLERK, JUST THE OFFICE OF.

AND I ASKED WHAT VACANCIES WERE ON THE BOARDS AND I GOT A ONE SENTENCE EMAIL.

CHECK THE CITY'S WEBSITE.

SO OK I NAVIGATED THE WEBSITE.

THE ONLY THING THAT GETS POSTED ON THE WEBSITE ARE THE ONES THAT THE DEPUTY MAYOR ANNOUNCES.

THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT I WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT.

I WANT TO KNOW WHO HAS BEEN APPOINTED.

SO WHEN I HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL IN IN THE COMMUNITY, I CAN COME TO YOU ON A 1 TO 1 BASIS TO SAY, COUNCILMAN, HERE'S AN INDIVIDUAL.

CLERK'S OFFICE WOULDN'T SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH ME.

WHY IS IT A SECRET? I THINK THAT IS A SECRET BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT THE COUNCIL TO BE PERCEIVED ILL.

BUT I THANK YOU COUNCIL AS A WHOLE FOR THIS EVENING'S DIALOG.

THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL THING ABOUT DEMOCRACY.

YOU KNOW, I COME IN HERE ALL ANNOYED THAT THOSE ITEMS ARE THERE, BUT I LEAVE HAPPY THAT WE HAD THAT DIALOG AND THAT DISCUSSION BECAUSE YOU TOLD ME TO HOLD YOU ACCOUNTABLE.

SO I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO HOLD YOUR CHARTER OFFICERS ACCOUNTABLE WHEN I DON'T HAVE AN ACCEPTABLE ANSWER FROM THE OFFICE OF I'M GOING TO GO TO THE PERSON THAT IS IS THE CLERK NEXT TIME AND I'M GOING TO GET THAT HANDLED.

USE ADVISORY BOARD, THE FIRST BOARD THAT I TRIED TO GET ON.

BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? WASN'T OLD ENOUGH? I'M GOING TO SHOCK THE WORLD.

I JUST TURNED 30 IN MAY, THIS PAST MAY, SO I WASN'T ELIGIBLE FOR THE YOUTH ADVISORY BOARD.

BUT WHEN I BROUGHT MY ATTENTION TO MR. DEPUTY MAYOR, HE SAW TO IT THE AGE GOT MOVED TO 24, WHICH IS MUCH MORE REASONABLE BECAUSE YOU WANT FOLKS THAT ARE IN THEIR ADULT LIFE TALKING TO YOUNG FOLKS.

I WENT TO PALM BAY HIGH SCHOOL.

EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT BY NOW, IF SOMEONE WOULD HAVE WALKED INTO MY HIGH SCHOOL AND SAID, WE HAVE THIS BOARD, THIS IS HOW YOU CAN GET INVOLVED, SO ON.

I'D HAVE BEEN THERE IF SOMEONE WOULD HAVE BEEN AT BREVARD COMMUNITY COLLEGE AT THE TIME AND SAID, HEY, YOU LIVE IN PALM BAY, WHY AREN'T YOU ON SOME BOARDS? NOT THE YOUTH ADVISORY BOARD ANYMORE, JUST SOME BOARDS.

I'VE BEEN THERE ADVOCACY IN THE COMMUNITY.

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I SENT YOU GUYS AN EMAIL AFTER THE LAST PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING, NOT THE ONE LAST NIGHT.

AND NOBODY REPLIED. RIGHT.

AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T TAKE THAT PERSONAL, BUT IT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE YOU'RE TRYING TO BE PROTECTIVE QUASI JUDICIAL PROCEEDINGS, WHATEVER.

BUT HOW CAN I HAVE DIALOG WITH YOU AND HOW CAN I SHARE? WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, MY OPINIONS AND MY THOUGHTS.

WHEN I SEND YOU GUYS STUFF, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO WATCH.

I SPOKE FOR 10 MINUTES BECAUSE IN THAT BOARD I GET TO TALK RIGHT AND I RIGHT TO THE MINUTE CLICK HERE, GO TO THE 20 MINUTE MARK.

HEAR ME TALK. NOW, MR. MAYOR, AS ALWAYS, I'M GOING TO DIRECT MY COMMENTS TO YOU.

BUT I SPOKE ON WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN ITEMS FOUR AND FIVE TONIGHT AND SAID EVERYTHING YOU SAID.

THERE NEEDS TO BE CONTINUITY, THERE NEEDS TO BE SERVICES.

IT'LL BRING MORE.

AND MOST OF ALL, THERE NEEDS TO BE COLLABORATION.

AND I LOOK MS.. SANDERS RIGHT IN THE FACE AND I TOLD HER, YOU ARE BFC CONSULTANTS TO REPRESENTATIVE FOR ALL OF THESE.

SO IF THE COLLABORATION HAS TO BE CREDITED TO SOMEONE, LET IT BE CREDITED TO YOU AS AN URBAN PLANNER, ENGINEER.

WHATEVER YOUR SPECIFIC POSITION IS, I ADVOCATE FOR THE THINGS YOU GUYS SAY IN THE BOARD ENVIRONMENT.

THE WHOLE BOARD LOOKS AT ME LIKE I GOT 12 HEADS, THE STAFF LOOKS AT ME LIKE I GOT 13.

BUT THEN I HEAR IT ALL AT THESE COUNCIL MEETINGS.

SO LET'S TALK OUTSIDE OF THESE FORUMS. WE GOT THINGS IN COMMON.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? YOU, MA'AM. OH, OKAY.

SO YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, RANDALL.

THERE ARE QUASI JUDICIAL MATTERS THAT WE WON'T COMPROMISE ON.

BUT THE THING THAT NO ONE ELSE WISHES TO SPEAK.

THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.

HERE'S.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.