Nov 17, 2022 Council Meetings - Regular

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OKAY, I'M GOING TO CALL THIS REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER.

[CALL TO ORDER]

NUMBER 2022, DASH 33.

THE INVOCATION WILL BE PROVIDED BY OUR CITY MANAGER, SUZANNE SHERMAN.

AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE WILL BE PROVIDED BY COUNCILMAN FOSTER.

AND WE ALL PLEASE RISE.

LET'S PRAY. HEAVENLY FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS TIME THAT WE HAVE TO GATHER TOGETHER TONIGHT.

WE THANK YOU FOR BEING IN OUR MIDST AND FOR LEADING AND GUIDING EACH OF US AS WE MAKE DECISIONS AND DO THE WORK THAT YOU'VE CALLED US TO DO HERE TONIGHT.

WE THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY WE HAVE TO SERVE THIS GREAT CITY.

WE PRAY ALL OF THIS IN JESUS NAME.

AMEN. AMEN.

THE AMERICAN FLAG.

ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG.

ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE.

LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

RAH, RAH, RAH.

DEPUTY MAYOR ANNOUNCEMENT.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. WE HAVE TO.

EXCUSE ME. ROLL CALL.

OH, AS YOU WERE. ROLL CALL.

MAYOR MEDINA. PRESIDENT.

MAYOR JOHNSON HERE.

COUNCILMAN FOSTER? YEAH. FELIX HERE.

COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO HERE.

SHERMAN HERE. HERE.

DEPUTY MAYOR. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

[ANNOUNCEMENTS]

REPRESENTS AT LARGE POSITION ONE VACANCY ON THE YOUTH ADVISORY BOARD, REPRESENTING AT LARGE STUDENT MEMBER POSITION.

ANYONE WISHING TO SERVE ON THESE BOARDS CAN APPLY ONLINE AT PALM BAY FLORIDA DOT ORG OR CONTACT THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE AT 3219523414.

AND MAYOR, SPEAKING OF THE YOUTH ADVISORY BOARD, I WOULD LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE WE HAVE A LOT OF STUDENTS FROM ODYSSEY CHARTER SCHOOL BROUGHT BY A TEACHER, MR. THOMAS REDMAN.

GUYS, I APPRECIATE YOU ALL COMING OUT.

STAND UP, STAND UP. LET THEM SEE YOU.

THAT'S HUGE. BUT LOOK REAL QUICK, YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN, I APPRECIATE YOU COMING.

OH, I HOPE YOU WEREN'T FORCED TO COME BY.

MR. REDMOND, ACTUALLY, I KNOW YOU WEREN'T FORCED, BUT I APPRECIATE YOU COMING TO LEARN ABOUT YOUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT BECAUSE THIS CITY IS JUST AS MUCH YOURS AS IT IS.

EVERYBODY ELSE IS. SO THANK YOU GUYS FOR COMING IN AND ATTENDING THIS COUNCIL MEETING.

AND WHAT CLASS IS THAT? DEPUTY MAYOR. SO THIS IS A CIVICS ODYSSEY.

CHARTER SCHOOL CIVICS CLASS.

OKAY. THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO TOUCH ON THAT.

THEY ARE OUR FUTURE LEADERS.

SO THANK YOU. AND BY THE WAY, I REALLY LOVE THE WAY YOU JOINED US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

SO HURRAH. CARRY ON.

OH, THAT'S IT. YEP.

SO, MADAME SHERMAN.

[AGENDA REVISIONS]

THE FIRST IS THAT LEGISLATIVE MEMORANDUM FOR ITEM NUMBER NINE.

UNDER THE CONSENT AGENDA RELATING TO THE POSITION CONTROL PLAN HAS BEEN REVISED.

THE LEGISLATIVE MEMORANDUM FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE UNDER NEW BUSINESS RELATING TO THE STATE LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES HAS ALSO BEEN REVISED.

ITEM NUMBER TWO UNDER NEW BUSINESS REGARDING ARPA FUNDING AND THE SOURCE HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN.

RESOLUTION 2022 62, TERMINATING THE STATE OF LOCAL EMERGENCY HAS BEEN ADDED AS ITEM NUMBER FOUR UNDER NEW BUSINESS.

CONSIDERATION OF A SCHEDULING OF EXCUSE ME, OF SCHEDULING A WORKSHOP IN DECEMBER HAS BEEN ADDED AS ITEM NUMBER FIVE UNDER NEW BUSINESS.

AND LASTLY, THE SELECTION OF A DEPUTY MAYOR HAS BEEN ADDED AS ITEM NUMBER SIX UNDER NEW BUSINESS.

THANK YOU. OUTSTANDING, MA'AM.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, MADAM SHERMAN.

MADAM SMITH, ANY REVISIONS? NO, SIR. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

SO WE'RE ON PROCLAMATIONS AND RECOGNITIONS AND WE'RE GOING TO RECOGNIZE SOME OF OUR LOCAL HEROES.

[PROCLAMATIONS AND RECOGNITIONS]

RIGHT. CHRISTINA.

OK. MARY JANE.

SO IT'S JUST US.

YOU KNOW, IT IS SO IMPORTANT FOR ME TO RECOGNIZE INDIVIDUALS THAT GIVE OF THEIR TIME.

I SEE THAT YOU YOU'VE GOT A LOVELY FAMILY HERE.

SO YOU TAKE UP YOUR TIME BECAUSE YOU CONSIDER OTHERS MORE THAN YOURSELF.

YOU CONSIDER OUR CITIZENRY MORE THAN YOURSELF AND GIVEN UP YOUR TIME.

AND SO I WANT TO COMMEND YOU FOR THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BOARD, ADVISORY BOARD THAT YOU SIT ON.

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WE'RE ALSO IN THE MARINE CORPS.

WE HAVE A TRADITION WHEN WE PINNED ON SOMEONE, RIGHT? WE PIN ON THEIR RANK, WE TYPICALLY PIN IT ON AND WE SMACK IT IN THEIR CHEST SO THAT THEY BLEED.

IT'S CALLED A COVENANT, BUT I'LL SPARE YOU FROM THAT TODAY, BUT I'LL STILL HONOR YOU BY PINNING THIS ON BECAUSE THERE'S A THERE'S A VALUE TO ME ACTUALLY PLACING IT ON YOU.

SO A BASIC INGREDIENT IN THE FOUNDATION OF OUR CITY IS THE WILLINGNESS TO TAKE AN INITIATIVE AND VOLUNTEER.

ACCEPTANCE OF RESPONSIBILITY BY PRIVATE CITIZENS.

EACH INDIVIDUAL HAS SOME SOMETHING TO CONTRIBUTE TO OFFER TO THE BENEFIT OF OTHERS.

AND YOU AS A VOLUNTEER.

HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THE WELL-BEING OF FELLOW RESIDENTS AND THE WELFARE OF ALL CITIZENS BY GIVING.

TIRELESSLY OF YOUR TIME AND ENERGY WITHOUT DESIRE FOR RECOGNITION, RENUMERATION, OR PERSONAL GAIN.

AND IT'S THERE'S SO MUCH VALUE TO WHAT WAS JUST SAID BECAUSE I'M WITNESSING YOUR FAMILY AS YOU GIVE TO US.

THAT MEANS THAT YOU'RE NOT GIVING TO YOUR FAMILY.

AND IT'S SO IMPORTANT FOR US TO RECOGNIZE HOW YOU TRULY CARE FOR OTHERS MORE THAN YOURSELF.

AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD HONOR.

SO THE VOLUNTEER PIN IS BUT A SMALL TOKEN OF OUR APPRECIATION FOR YOUR LOYAL AND DEDICATED PUBLIC SERVICE FAITHFULLY RENDERED TO THE CITY OF PALM BAY, FLORIDA. WELL.

HELLO. MY NAME IS CHRISTINA.

I SIT ON THE ADVISORY BOARD.

I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE TIME AND OPPORTUNITY.

I HOPE WE CAN CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE NONPROFITS IN THE AREA.

AND PLEASURE TO SEE ALL OF YOU.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MA'AM.

MY CONGRATULATIONS.

OF THE COMMENTS.

[PUBLIC COMMENTS/RESPONSES]

THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR.

GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.

HOW ARE YOU TONIGHT? GOOD.

I GOT A LOT OF THINGS ON MY AGENDA TONIGHT.

SO THE FIRST ONE IS OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE I SHOULD START OVER.

TIM BLAND. 1992 WIND BROOK DRIVE, PALM BAY.

JUST START WITH THE GOLF COURSE.

GOLF COURSE IS STILL THERE.

IT'S JUST A LITTLE OVERGROWN RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S STILL THERE AND I THINK IT'S AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE.

SO WHAT HAPPENED IS COMMITTEE TALKING ABOUT THE POTENTIAL PURPOSE PURCHASE OF THE GOLF COURSE.

ALL RIGHT. NEXT, ANOTHER ITEM.

YOU GUYS SWITCH FROM WASTE MANAGEMENT TO REPUBLIC.

I THINK TWO YEARS AGO, TWO YEARS AGO, WASTE MANAGEMENT USED TO TAKE OUR GLASS AND RECYCLE.

REPUBLIC DOES NOT.

GLASS IS NOT ALLOWED.

I HAVE A FUNNEL THAT GOES IN A PAPER BAG AND THE BAG SAYS YARD WASTE AND THAT THING DECOMPOSES IN LESS THAN SIX MONTHS.

REPUBLIC SERVICES EMPTIES A BAG IN THEIR TRUCK AND THEN LEAVES IT ON MY GRASS.

I CALLED THEM AND THEY SAID, WELL, THE PAPERS RECYCLABLES SHOULD GO IN YOUR RECYCLE BIN.

WAIT A MINUTE.

I JUST BOUGHT A STACK OF BAGS THAT ARE FOR YARD WASTE.

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THAT'S THE LAST TIME THE RECYCLING PAPER PLASTIC AND THE TOP TWO ITEMS THAT ARE RECYCLED ARE ASPHALT AND CONCRETE. NO HOMEOWNERS ARE PUTTING THAT OUTSIDE.

WE'RE PUTTING GLASS OUTSIDE, SO WE'RE GOING TO FILL UP OUR OUR WASTE AREAS WITH GLASS BOTTLES, BEER BOTTLES, WINE BOTTLES, WHISKEY BOTTLES.

I MEAN, WHAT SENSE DOES THAT MAKE? AND YOU ALL VOTED ON THAT.

IT'S A TEN YEAR CONTRACT AND OUR PRICE WENT UP ALMOST DOUBLE.

I CAN LOOK AT THE ARTICLE FROM ORLANDO TODAY AND IT SAYS THE TERM IS FOR TEN YEARS AND THE PRICE TAG ORIGINALLY WAS SET TO RAISE CURRENT PRICES BY 126%.

BUT THE CITY, THE CITY PALM BAY WAS ABLE TO NEGOTIATE AN INCREASED RATE OF ONLY 91% INCREASE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WHICH GROWS FROM 12 TO ABOUT $23 A MONTH.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. BEFORE YOU CALL OUR NEXT SPEAKER, DEPUTY MAYOR, I THINK THERE'S A LOT THAT NEEDS TO BE RESPONDED TO.

EVERYONE. AND I WANTED TO I'M GOING TO SHARE THIS WITH THE.

CITY CITY MANAGER TO BRING FORTH INFORMATION.

BUT THERE ARE FOUR OUT OF FIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE THAT WERE NOT PRESENT WHEN THAT CONTRACT WAS VOTED ON BY REPUBLIC.

FOUR OUT OF THE FIVE.

HOWEVER, THE ONLY CONTRACT THAT CAME BEFORE THIS COUNCIL OF THAT TIME AND DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON, YOU SAT ON THAT COUNCIL, RIGHT, WAS A REPUBLIC AND IT WAS IT WAS COMPLETED AND RATIFIED BY THE PREVIOUS CITY COUNCIL.

THAT BEING SAID, I DO WANT TO GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR MADAM SHERMAN TO RESPOND REGARDING THE REPUBLIC CONTRACT BECAUSE WE ARE ALSO AWARE THAT THERE'S NO RECYCLING OF GLASS.

IT'S A DIFFERENT INDUSTRY TODAY, BUT CAN YOU SHARE THOSE? YES, SIR. VERY BRIEFLY, TO START AT THE BEGINNING WITH THE CONTRACT COSTS INCREASES, A LARGE REASON FOR THAT WAS WAS ACTUALLY REALLY THERE WERE TWO FOLD.

ONE WAS THE PREVIOUS AGREEMENT WITH WASTE MANAGEMENT HAD NOT BEEN NEGOTIATED, RENEGOTIATED FOR OVER TEN YEARS.

SO OUR RATES THAT WE HAD WERE TEN, TEN PLUS YEARS OLD.

SO THERE WAS THAT FACTOR THAT OBVIOUSLY LED TO ESCALATED COSTS.

THE OTHER PART OF IT WAS ACTUALLY THE INCREASED GROWTH OF OUR CITY.

SO WE HAD TO HIRE A CONTRACTOR WHO COULD MEET THE NEEDS OF A GROWING CITY.

WE HAD LOTS AND LOTS OF NEW PEOPLE AND WE HAD ISSUES TOWARD THE END OF OUR CONTRACT, WITH NOT ENOUGH VEHICLES ON THE ROAD TO SERVICE THE CITY APPROPRIATELY WITH THE PRIOR CONTRACT.

OR IN A LARGE PART OF THAT WAS WE WEREN'T PAYING ENOUGH TO GET THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF SERVICE FOR OUR CITY.

SO THAT THAT'S A PARTIAL ANSWER.

THERE'S A LOT MORE TO IT, AND MR. BLANDY CAN CERTAINLY TALK TO YOU FURTHER ABOUT THAT ITEM IF YOU'D LIKE, LATER ON.

JUST TO ANSWER THE OTHER TWO PIECES BRIEFLY, YES, WE DESIRED TO INCLUDE GLASS AS A RECYCLING ITEM, BUT NONE OF THE CONTRACTORS IN THE BIDDING PROCESS WOULD ACCEPT GLASS RECYCLING OR THE INDUSTRY HAS CHANGED.

THEY DON'T HAVE GOOD MARKETS FOR IT IN FLORIDA, AND SO IT COSTS THEM A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT TO FIND PLACES TO SHIP GLASS.

SO ALL OF THE ALL OF THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE WASTE MANAGEMENT TYPE CONTRACTS THAT HAVE BEEN BID OUT IN RECENT YEARS, THEY'VE TENDED TOWARD REMOVAL OF THAT ITEM FROM THE CONTRACTS, MUCH AS WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE GLASS RECYCLING.

SO STAFF HAS BEEN CHECKING.

WE HAVE NOT FOUND A GOOD SOLUTION.

WE'VE TALKED TO SOME PEOPLE WITH SOME IDEAS AND LOOK FOR ALTERNATIVE PATHS TO DO THAT, BUT WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE ANYTHING SET TO REPLACE THAT.

AND LASTLY, I COULD GET SOME MORE INFORMATION ON IT, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IN TALKING TO BOTH THE CURRENT AND THE PREVIOUS WASTE HAULER HAS BEEN THAT YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE ANY KIND OF BAGGED MATERIALS, INCLUDING THE PAPER BAGS, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE RECYCLABLE AS PART OF YOUR YARD WASTE.

SO YARD WASTE IS EITHER IN THE PILE ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD OR IN THE CONTAINERS.

AND THAT'S JUST WHAT THE LANDFILL WILL ACCEPT.

AND THAT'S ALL. SIR, I THANK YOU, MADAM SHERMAN.

DEPUTY MAYOR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD SOMETHING? YEAH, SHE COVERED IT ALL.

SO COUNCIL BACK IN 2019.

COUNCILMAN ANDERSON KNOWS WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO NEGOTIATE WITH WASTE MANAGEMENT.

IT WASN'T CHOSEN.

AND BEING THAT AS MAYOR, IT HAD TO GO OUT FOR BID.

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REPUBLIC ACTUALLY HAD THE CHEAPER PRICE OUT OF THE TWO.

SO THAT'S ALL WE HAD TO DEAL WITH.

WE ONLY HAD TWO SERVICES TO GO WITH AND EVEN THEN, YES, IT WAS 126%.

STAFF DID THE BEST THEY COULD, GOT IT DOWN TO 91, SO STAFF DO THEIR PART, BUT THAT WAS THE HAND WE WERE DEALT WITH.

SO WE WORKED AS HARD AS WE COULD AND THAT'S WHAT WE WERE LEFT WITH AND THAT'S HOW IT IS RIGHT NOW.

SO OTHER THAN THAT, WITH THE GOLF COURSE SITUATION, I KNOW I GOT MISS SHERMAN CONNECTED WITH MISS HEATHER JOYNER.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT IS NOW.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE ABLE TO.

WELL, BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE WE'RE GATHERING A LOT OF INFORMATION RIGHT NOW.

SO WE'VE MET WITH THE OWNER.

I'M HAVING SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME OF THE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA.

WE HAVE STAFF WORKING ON RESEARCH REGARDING GOLF COURSES AND COST TO RUN THEM AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO WE'RE WE'RE ACTIVELY PURSUING THAT.

SO WE WILL AT SOME POINT BE BRINGING INFORMATION BACK, BUT WE WANT TO HAVE A THOROUGH REPORT FOR COUNCIL BEFORE WE DO SO.

AND AS YOU KNOW, ONE OUT OF FIVE MEMBERS ON THIS COUNCIL REQUESTED A WORKSHOP OVER THE GOLF COURSE.

SO WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING FORTH THESE ISSUES.

BUT I JUST WANTED TO EXPLAIN HOW THOSE THINGS ACTUALLY OCCURRED.

ALL RIGHT, SIR. ALL RIGHT.

SO NEXT SPEAKER, NEXT SPEAKER JOHN RUSSO, FOLLOWED BY REBECCA HEIDENREICH.

I KNOW THAT. ALL RIGHT.

I APPROACH YOU, GIVE YOU A SECRET LETTER.

JUST GIVE IT TO ME, SIR.

OKAY. GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS JOHN RUSSO.

I'M A RESIDENT OF PALM BAY.

NOW, SINCE 2003, I SERVED ON THE REDEVELOPMENT BOARD, AND I RECEIVED A LETTER FROM THE DPW.

WELL, THE WATER DEPARTMENT ON THE SECOND PARAGRAPH, UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE HOME HAS BEEN SOLD OR A TENANT MAKES APPLICATION FOR SERVICE, YOU WILL CONTINUE BEING BILLED FOR THE MONTHLY BASIS CHARGES AND ANY WATER CONSUMPTION THAT MAY OCCUR.

WELL, THE WATER WAS NEVER SHUT OFF AND I TOLD MY TENANTS TO PUT THE WATER BACK INTO MY NAME, AS I ALWAYS DID IN THE PAST.

NOW, I BROUGHT THIS FORWARD TO THE WATER DEPARTMENT PROBABLY FIVE TIMES.

I BROUGHT IT UPSTAIRS THREE TIMES TO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.

I TALKED TO JUDY IN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, AND THEN I RECEIVED A LETTER ON ON THE EIGHTH WHERE IT SAYS, OUR RECORD INDICATES THAT YOUR SERVICE AT 1981, ROCK ROSE.

IT WAS INTERRUPTED ON EIGHT ONE FOR NONPAYMENT.

THAT'S AN UNTRUTHFUL STATEMENT.

ON 811, A FAILED SUPERVISOR WAS SENT OUT TO THE ABOVE SERVICE ADDRESS TO VERIFY SERVICE WAS STILL OFF.

THAT'S AN UNTRUTHFUL STATEMENT.

THE GENTLEMAN CAME OUT BECAUSE ON THE 11TH I FILLED OUT THE FORMS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WATER WAS PUT INTO MY NAME.

BUT I TOLD THEM THAT THE WATER IS STILL RUNNING THERE.

WELL, THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT YOU GUYS WENT WITH A ZIP TIE METHOD FIVE YEARS AGO.

SO RIGHT TO TO LOCK UP THE METERS.

BUT YET YOU'RE HOLDING THE RESIDENTS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE METERS THAT WE CAN'T LOCK THEM.

WE CAN'T PROTECT THEM. WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THEM.

BUT SOMEBODY PUT A ZIP TIE ON IT.

IT WASN'T TAGGED OUT.

I DIDN'T RECEIVE A NOTICE ON THE DOOR AS I DID THE SECOND TIME WHEN THEY SHUT THE WATER OFF AND IT COST ME $500 BECAUSE THE CLEANING CREW COULDN'T GO IN AND CLEAN.

SO I WENT BACK DOWN TO THE OFFICE TO SAY, WHY IS THIS HAPPENING? AND I PAID $200 TOWARDS MY WATER BILL, BUT I WOULDN'T PAY ANYTHING TOWARDS THE FINE UNTIL WE ALL GET TOGETHER AND STRAIGHTEN IT OUT, BECAUSE I THOUGHT THIS COULD HAVE GOT STRAIGHTENED OUT BEFORE THIS MOMENT HERE, BUT OBVIOUSLY NOT.

SO HOW DO YOU SECURE IT? I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HERE SECURES THEIR ITEMS WITH A ZIP TIE AND NOT TAG IT OUT DURING THE TRADE.

ANYTHING THAT YOU ZIP, TIE OR LOCK OUT, YOU HAVE TO PUT A NOTE OR SOMETHING ON IT TO TELL YOU WHY IT'S BEING DONE.

SO HERE'S THE REASON WHY THEY ELECTED TO GO WITH THE ZIP TIE BECAUSE IT'S CHEAPER THAN THE LOCKS.

OK GREAT.

BUT THEY'RE ALSO THE GENTLEMAN THAT COMES OUT HAS A HAS A PHONE, GOT A CAMERA IN IT THAT THE CITY PAYS FOR.

TAKE A PICTURE OF IT THAT YOU DID YOUR JOB, RECORD IT.

THEY SAID THAT THE ZIP TIE WAS STRETCHED IN, THE WATER WAS PARTIALLY TURNED ON AND THAT'S WHY I GOT A $350 FINE FOR TAMPERING WITH A METER.

THAT'S UNTRUTHFUL.

THE METER WAS NEVER TOUCHED.

IF AT ANYTHING. A VALVE WAS TURNED ON A LITTLE BIT AND OR THE VALVE WAS NEVER TURNED OFF ALL THE WAY BECAUSE THERE'S NO PROOF OR EVIDENCE THAT THAT EVER TRANSPIRED. BUT I DON'T SEE WHY ME OR ANY OTHER RESIDENTS HERE OR ANYBODY IN THE PAST THAT'S PAID A $350 FINE THAT RECEIVES A LETTER LIKE THIS.

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THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM SHERMAN, CAN WE HAVE UTILITIES LOOK INTO THIS OR.

YES, SIR. AND I'LL BE A PART OF REVIEWING THIS CASE FOR MR. RUSSO, AND I'LL GET BACK TO HIM.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. RUSSO. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. RUSSO.

WE'LL HAVE THE CITY MANAGER LOOK INTO THIS.

CARRY ON. REBECCA HEIDENREICH.

FOLLOW BY SONIA ROMERO.

REBECCA HEIDENREICH 1132.

MARIPOSA DRIVE NORTHEAST 3 MINUTES DOES NOT FEEL LIKE ENOUGH TIME, SO I'M GOING TO TRY TO TALK VERY QUICKLY.

THIS IS NOT RELATED TO THE AGENDA TONIGHT.

IT'S JUST SOMETHING I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT AND HAVE A PASSION FOR FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW.

I'M A NATIVE PLANT GARDENER.

MY YARD WAS RECENTLY FEATURED IN THE NATIVE PLANT TOUR FOR SOUTH BREVARD COUNTY.

I HAVE OVER 180 SPECIES LIVING IN MY QUARTER ACRE OF A YARD, AND I HAVE A LOT OF WILDLIFE THAT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO ENRICH MY FAMILY WITH AND OTHER FRIENDS, AND I HOST YARD TOURS FOR HOMESCHOOL GROUPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT IN MY YARD AND NEXT TO MY HOUSE, A COUPLE OF HOUSES DOWN.

WE HAVE A LARGE CANAL THAT HAS A LARGE CLEARING.

IT'S A RIGHT BY RIVIERA ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE TO PUT A WALKING TRAIL IN WITH NATIVE PLANTS.

MAYBE SOME EDUCATIONAL SIGNS SHOULD WE HAVE THE TIME TO DO SO? AND I'M A COMMITTEE MEMBER OF THE EDINA NATIVE PLANT SOCIETY CHAPTER, AND I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE AN AWESOME IDEA FOR US AS A GROUP TO TAKE ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS, TO BE ABLE TO PLANT MORE BIODIVERSE SPECIES THERE, TO MAKE IT A SAFE WALKING PLACE FOR FAMILIES.

THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WALK OR JOG OR, YOU KNOW, JUST FAMILIES GOING OUT FOR WALKS WITH THEIR KIDS.

AND IT WOULD BE NICE TO NOT DO THAT RIGHT BY THE STREET TO HAVE A GREEN SPACE SO OUR KIDS CAN PLAY.

THAT'S NOT DRIVING TEN OR 20 MINUTES TO A PARK SOMEWHERE TO JUST PLAY ON SWINGS, WHICH IS STILL A NICE THING.

ALSO TO HAVE SOME SHADE SO WE COULD HAVE SOME TREES THERE.

I HAVE NOTED ON MY YARD JUST 24 DIFFERENT SPECIES OF BIRDS AND IF WE.

INCREASE SOMETHING LIKE THIS WHERE IT'S SEVERAL MILES OF WALKING SPACE.

YOU WOULD HAVE SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS TO LOOK AT AS A COMMUNITY.

I THINK THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD GET BEHIND SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND IT COULD HELP PRESERVE SOME OF THOSE GREEN SPACES BECAUSE AS WE CONTINUE TO BUILD OUT, WE'RE LOSING A LOT OF OUR GREEN SPACE AND A LOT OF OUR WILDLIFE IS SUFFERING FOR THAT.

WE COULD HAVE A LOT OF BUTTERFLIES AND DIFFERENT THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING I THINK THAT COULD DO WITH SOME CONSIDERATION.

I THINK IT COULD BE DONE RELATIVELY CHEAPLY, ESPECIALLY IF YOU PARTNER WITH A NATIVE PLANT SOCIETY.

THERE'S ALSO A COUPLE OF NATIVE NURSERIES THAT I KNOW WOULD LOVE TO CONTRIBUTE TO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, AND I HAD A WHOLE PRINTOUT THAT MY PRINTER DECIDED NOT TO PRINT FOR ME THIS EVENING, BUT I DID GIVE SUZANNE MY CARD.

SO YOU GUYS ARE WELCOME TO EMAIL ME.

I CAN EMAIL YOU THAT SHEET.

AND I THINK THAT'S ALL I NEEDED TO SAY.

I THINK I SPOKE FAST ENOUGH.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. AND AS YOU MENTIONED, YOU'RE WORKING WITH THE CITY MANAGER ON THIS.

AND SO IT'S SOMETHING LIKE A BOTANICAL GARDENS.

SURE. WITH ALL THESE.

YEAH, I'D SAY GO FOR IT.

THAT'S HOW I FELT. WHEN YOU MENTION ALL THESE ALL THESE SPECIES OF PLANTS, THAT'S WHAT COMES TO MIND IS I'M A NEW YORK CITY KID.

I, I WENT SEVERAL TIMES TO THE BOTANICAL GARDENS, WHICH WAS RIGHT NEXT TO THE BRONX ZOO.

SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I ENVISION WHEN YOU'RE WHEN YOU'RE CONVEYING WHAT YOUR VISION IS.

FLORIDA IS ONE OF THE MOST BIODIVERSE STATES IN THE UNITED STATES.

AND I THINK THAT WE COULD DO A LOT TO PRESERVE THAT, AS WELL AS HELPING TO PROTECT THE LAGOON.

I MEAN, THAT IS A REALLY LARGE CANAL.

AND THE RUNOFF DOES END UP IN THE LAGOON.

AND IF WE PLANT MORE NATIVE SPECIES AND FRESHWATER OYSTERS AND CLAMS AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WE COULD PUT INTO THE WATER, WE COULD LITERALLY CONTRIBUTE TO THE ENVIRONMENT INSTEAD OF TAKING AWAY FROM IT.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. SONIA ROMERO, FOLLOWED BY ROBERT STICE.

GOOD EVENING. YOU MAY REMEMBER ME FROM A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WHERE I TALKED ABOUT MY MOM WITH THE IMPACT FEES, TRYING TO GET THE BUILDING PUT UP FOR HER.

IT'S BEEN ABOUT A MONTH SINCE I FIRST REQUESTED A MEETING, AND I'VE NOT HEARD ANYTHING, SO MY MOM HAS ASKED ME.

SHE'S LIKE, WHAT'S GOING ON? BECAUSE IT'S BEEN ALMOST A YEAR SINCE WE'VE STARTED THIS WHOLE PROCESS.

SO I TOLD HER, I GO, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING.

I DON'T KNOW. I GO, ALL I CAN DO IS GO, GO IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL AND SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY ANSWERS OR IF THEY HAVE

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BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAY, SHE'S SHE'S BEEN WAITING ABOUT A YEAR FOR A PLACE OF HER OWN.

AND SO I TOLD HER, I GO, ALL I CAN DO IS GO ASK AND SEE BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, I'LL LEAVE.

I LEAVE AN EMAIL, BUT IT'S BEEN ABOUT A MONTH.

SO I TOLD HER I'LL JUST GO SEE IF THEY'VE GOT ANYTHING TO SAY.

YOU GUYS, YOU ALREADY KNOW THE WHOLE STORY FROM A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.

SO. YES, MA'AM, I'M NOT MAKING ANY EXCUSES, BUT I KNOW THAT STAFF HAS BEEN REALLY WORKING HARD WITH THE TWO TO HURRICANES THAT WE WE EXPERIENCED.

BUT I'LL HAVE THE CITY MANAGER RESPOND.

YES, SIR. YEAH, WE DEFINITELY ARE A LITTLE BEHIND ON THAT.

SO I APOLOGIZE. FROM YOUR LAST VISIT.

YOU STILL ARE ON OUR RADAR AND I'LL MAKE SURE THAT A MEMBER OF MY TEAM CALLS YOU TOMORROW TO SCHEDULE THE TIME FOR FOLLOW UP SO WE CAN GIVE YOU THE RESULTS OF THE ASSESSMENT THAT THE STAFF IS DOING.

I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. AND THANKS FOR COMING BACK.

THANK YOU. ROBERT STICE, FOLLOWED BY PHILLIP CORCORAN.

GOOD EVENING. ROBERT STYLES 1796 WIN OVERDRIVE.

DEPUTY MAYOR, CONGRATULATIONS ON THE ELECTION.

BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT, THE CONVERSATION TO HAVE A DIALOG WITH THE GOLF COURSE AND HOW DO WE SAVE THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT.

HAVING THAT DEVELOPMENT ON THAT 202 ACRES WE ALL KNOW IS A NEGATIVE FOR THE CITY AS WELL AS THE RESIDENTS.

YOU PUT YOU PUT 367 HOMES THERE.

YOU HAVE DESTROYED BAYSIDE LAKES.

IT'S OKAY TO HAVE A MIDDLE INCOME DEVELOPMENT.

IT REALLY IS OKAY TO DO THAT.

THAT'S WHAT I WORK 40 YEARS FOR.

BUT I'M REMINDED THAT I LIVE IN SUMMERFIELD, BUT I LIVE IN A PROJECT SECTION OF BAYSIDE LAKES.

OVER 2000 HOMES ARE IN THE PROCESS OF BUILDING INFRASTRUCTURE.

HOW ARE WE DOING ON THAT? FIREHOUSES, POLICE STATIONS.

MAKING IT FLOW.

THAT'S WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.

SO I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT YOU WHAT YOU'RE DOING ON THAT.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS WITH THE EMAIL THAT I SENT AN EMAIL MY WIFE HAD SENT AS WELL.

YOU GOT TO FOCUS ON TRAFFIC WHEN YOU DUMPING LARGE DEVELOPMENTS THERE.

HOW IS IT GOING TO FLOW? I'VE NEVER HEARD OF SUBURBAN CONGESTION UNTIL I LIVE HERE AND I'M SEEING IT RIGHT NOW.

IF WE PASS THE THOSE THREE APARTMENTS COMING OUT ON MALABAR ROAD AND EVERYTHING AND THAT'S SUCH A DISASTER OF AN AREA DURING RUSH HOUR, MALABAR AND BABCOCK, YOU JUST THROWN IT OUT TO PEOPLE AND SAY AND DEAL WITH IT.

AND BEFORE YOU DO THAT, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU ACTUALLY TRAVEL TO THESE AREAS THAT YOU'RE DEVELOPING, NOT THAT YOU'VE BEEN THERE FIVE YEARS AGO, BUT LOOK AND CHECK OUT AND SEE IF YOU WERE LIVING THERE, HOW IT WAS GOING TO AFFECT YOU.

REPUBLIC. I HEARD THAT WE GAVE AWAY TO FORM A REPUBLIC.

I'VE BEEN IN CONTRACT ABOUT NINE OUT OF MY 40 YEARS THAT I WERE WORKING.

WHY DON'T WE LOOK AT THAT AND PROPOSE SOME NEGOTIATIONS AND AMENDMENTS TO THAT THAT ARE MAKING US CRAZY? I KNOW THEY HAVE A DIESEL UP STATION ON SOME COMMON PROPERTY THERE THAT WE HAD NEIGHBORS TALK ABOUT THAT SIX MONTHS AGO.

YOU KNOW, CAN YOU NEGOTIATE THAT? I THINK WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD PROCUREMENT TEAM.

I'D ASK YOU TO LOOK AT THAT.

YOU KNOW, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE GOLF COURSE REAL QUICK.

BUT I FORGOT TO MENTION.

THAT'S CURRENTLY ZONED FOR FIVE ACRE LOTS.

ALL RIGHT. YOU ALLOW DEVELOPMENT IN THERE AND YOU KNOW, YOU'VE JUST ENHANCED THE BEDROOM COMMUNITY THAT YOU'RE STRIVING TO WORK AWAY FROM.

WOULDN'T IT BE NICE ON THE AREA ON I-95 AS YOU'RE HEADING SOUTH? YOU SEE, YOU KNOW, THE THE OUTLET STORE IS THAT PALM BAY? THAT'S KIND OF WHAT NEEDS TO GO IN THERE.

MR. MAYOR. AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE GOT AWAY FROM THAT ONE DEVELOPMENT OVER THERE, BECAUSE WE NEED AN INDUSTRIAL.

SO LOTS OF STUFF.

PLEASE CONSIDER IT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND OUR LAST SPEAKER, PHILLIP CORCORAN.

IT'S MR. CORKER. IF YOU'LL WAIT TILL THEY ALL WAIT ONE SECOND THERE.

GO AHEAD. I WAS OFF. I SAID I DIDN'T EVEN SAY ANYTHING.

SECURE. I UNDERSTAND.

I DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE UP YOUR TIME.

YOU KNOW THE DISTRACTION.

I'M ONLY GOING TO DO ONE MINUTE TODAY.

I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE BUSY.

CONGRATULATIONS.

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PHILLIP CORCORAN 1878 WIND BROOK DRIVE.

I'M GOING TO PUT MISS SHERMAN TO WORK HERE FOR JUST A SECOND.

I WANT TO VERIFY THAT THE CHAPTER 93 DISCUSSION WILL BE ON DECEMBER 6TH.

I BELIEVE THAT'S A TUESDAY. IS THAT CORRECT? SO CORRECT. THANK GOD YOU'RE RIGHT ON TOP OF EVERYTHING.

WE'D BE LOST WITHOUT YOU.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE I HAVE SOME RED SHIRTS AT THAT MEETING.

SADLY, I WOULD LIKE TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE.

THERE ARE MORE FOR SALE SIGNS IN SUMMERFIELD THAN I HAVE EVER SEEN.

I BOUGHT 14 YEARS AGO.

CLEARLY, THE LOSS OF THE GOLF COURSE HAS RESULTED IN A REDUCTION IN THE QUALITY OF LIFE.

SO. BUT YOU GUYS KNOW THAT WE NEED TO GET THAT BACK.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

MADAM SHERMAN, CAN YOU AND I KNOW MR. STICE. IS HE STILL HERE? OKAY. CAN YOU JUST BRIEFLY DISCUSS WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING BEHIND THE SCENES WITH OUR FIRE STATIONS? OH, YES, SIR. UM, SO ACTUALLY, ONE OF THE ITEMS ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, A RECOMMENDATION TO AWARD THE TASK ORDER TO THE DESIGN FIRM THAT IS GOING TO DEVELOP THE ENGINEER DESIGN PLANS FOR OUR FUTURE FIRE STATIONS.

WE HAVE THE FUNDING SECURED FOR NEW FIRE STATION SEVEN, WHICH WILL BE ON PALM BAY ROAD.

IT'S IN THE SITE OF AN OLD FIRE STATION THAT WAS TAKEN DOWN AND DECOMMISSIONED SOME YEARS AGO.

SO THAT STATION IS ALREADY FUNDED.

WE ACTUALLY ALREADY HAVE THE STAFF FOR THAT STATION AND LIKE I SAID, THE DESIGN, THE PLANS FOR THAT ARE GOING TO BE UNDERWAY SHORTLY AFTER THIS MEETING, IF APPROVED. AND THEN WE WOULD MOVE NEXT YEAR INTO BIDDING FOR CONSTRUCTION FOR THAT FIRE STATION.

ON THE HEELS OF FIRE STATION SEVEN, WE HAVE PLANS TO WORK TOWARD FIRE STATION EIGHT, WHICH WILL GO ON PROPERTY THE CITY ALREADY OWNS JUST PAST THE INTERSECTION OF MALABAR ROAD AND THE ST JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY.

SO THE NORTHWEST SECTION OF THE CITY, WE OWN PROPERTY THAT'S BASICALLY ACROSS FROM HERITAGE HIGH SCHOOL.

SO THAT SAME PROTOTYPE DESIGN THAT WE'LL BE USING FOR THE FIRE STATION SEVEN WILL BE USED FOR FIRE STATION EIGHT.

SO THE PLAN THERE IS OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS TO BE WORKING TOWARD THE FUNDING FOR THAT STATION, THE CONSTRUCTION, BUT ALSO ON BOARDING THE NEW STAFF THAT WE WOULD NEED TO FILL THAT STATION. AND THEN LASTLY, THE THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO BE WORKING CONCURRENTLY, I WOULD SAY, WITH THOSE TWO STATIONS IS THE NEW FIRE STATION NUMBER NINE, WHICH IS GOING TO BE BUILT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE DEVELOPER DOWN IN EMERALD LAKES, WHICH IS IN THE VICINITY OF I 95 AND THE ST JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY EXIT, THE NEW ONE DOWN THE SOUTHEAST SECTION OF THE CITY.

SO THOSE ARE ALL JUST THE THE INITIAL THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN ACTIVELY UNDERWAY AND STAFF IS WORKING ON.

ALSO, I WOULD ADD TO THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS, COUNCIL GAVE US PERMISSION A FEW MONTHS BACK TO GO AHEAD AND WORK ON REGIONAL TRAFFIC STUDIES THAT WE CAN THEN USE TO PROVIDE GUIDANCE TO DEVELOPERS ON WHAT THINGS NEED TO HAPPEN FIRST, SECOND, THIRD WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT ARE CALLED PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH IS WHO PAYS WHAT PORTION OF A NEW TRAFFIC SIGNAL, ROAD WIDENING, ETC..

SO THOSE STUDIES ARE ACTUALLY IN NEARLY FINAL DRAFT FORM.

SO THEY'LL BE COMING BACK TO COUNCIL VERY SOON, I WOULD ANTICIPATE PROBABLY JANUARY, FEBRUARY TIME FRAME AT THE LATEST.

SO THOSE ARE VERY IMPORTANT STEPS THAT ACTUALLY HELP GUIDE AND HELP TO FURTHER CONTROL AND BETTER PLAN, I GUESS, WHAT WE'RE DOING AND HOW THE CITY WILL LOOK, BECAUSE CERTAINLY WE ALL ACKNOWLEDGE WE WOULD LIKE THE TRAFFIC SITUATION AND THE ISSUES WE'RE DEALING WITH TODAY TO BE BETTER AND RESOLVED, BUT WE'RE WORKING HARD TO GET US BACK IN A PLACE WHERE WE HAVE A BETTER FOUNDATION AND A BETTER PLAN FOR THE FUTURE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MA'AM.

SO NOW WE'RE ON PUBLIC HEARINGS, ITEM NUMBER ONE.

[PUBLIC HEARINGS]

HEREWITH, PROVIDING FOR INCLUSION IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY CODE OF ORDINANCES PROVIDING FOR A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE.

PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ASK THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT THEIR CASE.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS.

MY NAME IS CARMINE FERRARO, CROSSOVER COMMERCIAL GROUP 3860.

CURTIS BOULEVARD, PORT SAINT JOHN.

WE ARE HERE, I GUESS, FOR THE SECOND READING AND THE FINAL APPROVAL, WHICH I'LL REMAIN IF THERE ARE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR ANY.

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THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS, COUNSEL? SEEING NONE. THANK YOU.

ANY COMMENTS, MADAM SHERMAN? ANYTHING FURTHER? THANK YOU.

ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK FOR AGAINST THIS ITEM? IN, NONE OF THEM CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASKING FOR A MOTION MOTION APPROVED ORDINANCE 2020 2-115 FINAL READING.

SECOND ON A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN FOSTER.

DEPUTY MAYOR, ANYTHING TO ADD? COUNCILMAN FOSTER, SIR, I'M CALLING THE QUESTION ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I I HE OPPOSED.

HEY, PASSES 4 TO 1.

ITEM NUMBER TWO.

THE FOLLOWING ITEMS ARE QUASI JUDICIAL IN NATURE PUBLIC HEARINGS, AGENDA ITEMS, NUMBERS TWO, THREE AND SEVEN.

ANY PERSON WHO WISHES TO TESTIFY OF SUCH A MATTER ASSIGN A SPEAKER CARD WHICH CONTAINS A SWORN OATH TO TELL THE TRUTH.

ANY INDIVIDUAL ADDRESSING THE COUNCIL MUST STATE HIS OR HER NAME AND CONFIRM THAT A SPEAKER CARD HAS BEEN SIGNED.

ATTORNEYS WHO ARE APPEARING ON BEHALF OF A PARTY AND NOT PROVIDING TESTIMONIAL EVIDENCE ARE NOT CONSIDERED WITNESSES AND NEED NOT BE SWORN.

COUNSEL SHOULD DISCLOSE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION BY DISCLOSING THE SUBJECT MATTER OF THE COMMUNICATION AND THE IDENTITY OF THE PERSON, GROUP OR ENTITY WITH WHOM THE COMMUNICATION TOOK PLACE.

THE ORDER OF THIS PROCEEDING WILL BE AS FOLLOWS.

FIRST, THE APPLICANT WILL MAKE HIS PRESENTATION, FOLLOWED BY STAFF COMMENTS, FOLLOWED BY ANY AGGRIEVED OR ADVERSELY AFFECTED PARTY THAT IS, COMPLY WITH SECTION 59.3.

EACH WILL HAVE A MAXIMUM OF 30 MINUTES.

ANY SPEAKER MAY BE SUBJECT TO CROSS EXAMINATION BY THE COUNSEL OR ANY OTHER INTERESTED PARTY, OR A MAXIMUM OF 15 MINUTES PER WITNESS.

ANY OTHER PERSON MAY SPEAK FOR A MAXIMUM OF 3 MINUTES.

THE APPLICANT WILL THEN BE ALLOWED CONCLUDING REMARKS FOR A MAXIMUM OF 10 MINUTES.

THE QUASI JUDICIAL BODY MAY MODIFY THE TIME LIMITS ON ITS OWN MOTION OR UPON REQUEST OF A PARTY TO THE PROCEEDING.

THE HEARING WILL THEN BE CLOSED AND NO ADDITIONAL TESTIMONY OR ARGUMENT WILL BE ALLOWED.

THE COUNCIL WILL THEN DELIBERATE IN PUBLIC AT THE END OF DELIBERATION.

A COUNCIL MEMBER WILL MAKE A MOTION ON THE APPLICATION TO BRING THE MATTER TO A VOTE.

EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER IS THEN FREE TO VOTE IN FAVOR OR AGAINST THE MOTION.

ORDINANCE 2020 2-1 18 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, APPROVED A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO BE KNOWN AS MEDLEY AS MEDLEY AT EVERLANE'S IN A NEW AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL VAR COUNTY ZONING. WHICH PROPERTIES LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF PACE DRIVE ST JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED HEREIN PROVIDING FOR A COMMENCEMENT PERIOD PROVIDED FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

THAT'S THE GAP. I SCROLL DOWN A LITTLE TOO FAR.

I'M SORRY. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, APPROVING A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO BE KNOWN AS MALABAR SPRINGS AND PUD PLANNING DEVELOPMENT ZONING, WHICH PROPERTY IS LOCATED NORTH OF AND ADJACENT TO MALABAR ROAD IN THE VICINITY WEST OF ST JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED HEREIN PROVIDING FOR A COMMENCEMENT PERIOD PROVIDED FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT THEIR CASE.

GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL ON A SAUNDERS WITH BFC CONSULTANTS.

I'LL BE BRIEF AS IT'S A FINAL READING.

JUST WANTED TO HIT A COUPLE OF THE MAJOR POINTS.

IT'S APPROXIMATELY 295 ACRE SITE WITH 885 UNITS.

WE'VE GOT A DENSITY OF RIGHT AROUND THREE UNITS PER ACRE.

WE'VE GOT 50 FOOT BUFFERS AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE PROJECT.

BETWEEN THE OPEN SPACE, THE TREE PRESERVATION AREAS AND THE GREEN SPACE THAT WE'RE PROVIDING THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY, WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 40% OF THAT GREEN OPEN SPACE PROVIDED FOR THE RESIDENTS.

TO ADDRESS THE MAIN ISSUE OR TOPIC OF DISCUSSION FROM THE LAST THE LAST MEETING, WHICH WAS PROVIDING AN ACCESS POINT TO ST JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY.

AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT SOME LIMITATIONS, SOME PHYSICAL LIMITATIONS WITH RESPECT TO OUR OUR PHYSICAL BOUNDARIES.

WE'VE GOT CANALS ON THREE SIDES OF US.

DIRECTLY AFTER THAT MEETING.

WELL, IT WAS MONDAY BECAUSE FRIDAY THEY'RE CLOSED.

I'M SORRY. FRIDAY, THEIR CLOTHES WAS MONDAY.

I SPOKE WITH MIKE MCCABE WITH MELBOURNE, TILGHMAN WATER CONTROL DISTRICT ABOUT CROSSING THAT C-1 CANAL.

WHILE IT WOULD BE PERMITTED TO DO SO, THE ONLY WAY WOULD WE BE ALLOWED TO.

WOULD BE TO BUILD AN OVERPASS SIMILAR OR EXACTLY IDENTICAL TO WHAT YOU HAVE ON THE PARKWAY RIGHT NOW.

SO THEY'RE EQUIPMENT, TRACTORS, MOWERS, BATWING MOWERS WOULD NEED TO BE ABLE TO CROSS BELOW THAT UNOBSTRUCTED.

THE COST FOR SUCH A STRUCTURE IS I'M GOING TO TELL YOU, ANYWHERE BETWEEN THREE AND $5 MILLION TO BUILD THAT.

AND IT'S JUST NOT A FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE, VIABLE OPTION FOR THIS PROJECT TO BE ABLE TO BEAR THAT COST.

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THE OTHER PERSON THAT I REACHED OUT TO WAS MS..

SUZANNE WITH THE BREVARD COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT TO TALK TO HER ABOUT MAYBE GETTING SOMETHING IN, WRITING ABOUT GETTING PERMISSION TO UTILIZE THAT EMERGENCY ACCESS GATE. AS YOU'RE AWARE, THERE WAS SOME HURRICANE ACTIVITY LAST WEEK, SO SHE'S BEEN BUSY TIGHTENING UP THINGS AROUND THE SCHOOL.

BUT WE'LL CONNECT AND I'M GOING TO WORK HARD TO GET THAT DOCUMENT FROM HER.

I DID SPEAK WITH THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPER, THE ST JOHN'S PRESERVE PROJECT.

THEY HAD NO OBJECTION TO IN ANY KIND OF AN EMERGENCY SITUATION ALLOWING ACCESS TO THAT GATE, BUT JUST REMINDED ME THAT THE SCHOOL BOARD DOES ACTUALLY MAINTAIN.

CONTROL OF THAT. I WOULD SAY THAT IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION, I WOULD PRESUME THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULD PROBABLY TAKE OVER OWNERSHIP OF THAT AND AUTHORITY AND WOULD BE ABLE TO OPEN THAT GATE UP, WHICH WOULD ALLOW US ACCESS TO THE PARKWAY.

AND WITH THAT, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

HOW MANY UNITS AGAIN? 885. YEAH.

SO I DON'T MIND THE $3 MILLION FOR THE OVERPASS TO GRANT ACCESS.

I UNDERSTAND THAT MIGHT CUT INTO SOME OF THOSE OPPORTUNITIES.

RIGHT. BUT I STILL STAND WHERE I STOOD BEFORE GETTING AN ADDITIONAL ACCESS POINT.

I THINK THEY'RE JUST LOCKED IN THERE.

ALL THOSE UNITS FLOWING JUST INTO MALABAR ROAD.

SO THAT'S WHERE I WOULD STAND.

I DON'T HAVE A COMMENT OTHER THAN TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR DILIGENCE BECAUSE I TRULY APPRECIATE YOU GOING OUT AND MAKING THAT EFFORT.

YEAH, THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME AS WELL.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. ABSOLUTELY.

JUST LIKE TO REMIND YOU, WE ARE WIDENING THAT PORTION OF MALABAR ROAD.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'RE PROVIDING AN ADDITIONAL AN EXTRA 37 FEET FOR FUTURE WIDENING CAPACITY.

I KNOW THE ROADWAYS BREVARD COUNTIES AT THE MOMENT, BUT FORESEEABLY IN THE FUTURE, IT'LL IT'LL BECOME A CITY ROADWAY.

AND I BELIEVE MR. WATANABE SPOKE ABOUT THE SIGNALIZATION OF THAT INTERSECTION HAPPENING MAYBE LATE SPRING, EARLY SUMMER OF NEXT YEAR.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. ANY QUESTIONS? ONE QUESTION, MAYOR, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO, I MISUNDERSTOOD.

DO YOU FEEL THE CITY IS ABLE TO PROVIDE THE LEVEL AND QUALITY OF SERVICE NEEDED TO REFER YOUR AREA IN QUESTION? I DO. OKAY. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OF SANDERS. YOU MEAN? DEPUTY MAYOR ANY SPEAKER CARDS? ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF.

I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK FOR A MOTION.

SO MOVED. GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON AT SECOND.

AT A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN FOSTER.

DEPUTY MAYOR. NOTHING ELSE TO ADD.

MAYOR, I SUPPORTED THIS PROJECT LAST MEETING.

I SUPPORT IT AGAIN. COUNCILWOMAN FOSTER YEAH.

THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD IS I LOOKED AT THE LOOKING AT THE TRAFFIC STUDY, THE CONCLUSION.

I'M GOING TO READ IT. THE STUDY WAS CONDUCTED AND COMPARED TO THE EXISTING AND FUTURE VOLUME OF THE ROADWAY SEGMENT OF MALABAR ROAD AND WEST OF SAINT JOHN HEREFORD PARKWAY WITH THE SIX SEGMENT CAPACITY.

THE STUDY SHOWED THAT BOTH EXISTING AND FUTURE VOLUME DID NOT EXCEED THE ROADWAY CAPACITY.

ALL RIGHT, MAN. THANK YOU.

HEY, I GOT A MOTION IN A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I.

I ALL OPPOSE.

NAY PASSES 3 TO 2 FILIBUSTERING MEDINA.

NAY. ITEM NUMBER THREE, ORDINANCE 2022, DASH 118.

AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY RIVERA COUNTY, FLORIDA, APPROVING A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO BE KNOWN AS MELLIE AT EVERLANE'S AND A NEW AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL RIVERA COUNTY ZONING.

THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF PACE DRIVE AND ST JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY, AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED HEREIN, PROVIDING FOR A COMMENCEMENT PERIOD PROVIDED FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. NOW OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING, ASKED THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT THEIR CASE.

IF YOU DON'T MIND READING THOSE, JUST A TAD BIT SLOWER.

GIVE ME JUST A SECOND TO GET TO THE PODIUM, GET MY STUFF TOGETHER.

AGAIN, THIS IS A SECOND AND FINAL READING, SO I'LL BE BRIEF FOR A PROJECT CALLED MEDLEY AT EVERLANE'S.

IT'S LOCATED BETWEEN PACE AND EMERSON DRIVE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PARKWAY.

IT HAS 840 UNITS VARYING BETWEEN TOWNHOMES, VILLAS, 40, 50 AND 60 FOOT WIDE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

THERE IS A LARGE INTERCONNECTION NETWORK OF PEDESTRIAN ACCESS THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY.

LARGE TREE STANDS ARE BEING PRESERVED TO RETAIN THAT SORT OF OLD FLORIDA QUALITY.

SPECIFICALLY ALONG PACE AND ON THE EASTERN EASTERN BORDER OF THE CANAL.

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AND JUST RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL.

ANY QUESTIONS? YES, I HAVE A QUESTION.

CARRY ON. CALCIUM.

AND YOUR PLAN? YOU DO PRESERVE.

THE WETLANDS. AM I CORRECT? YES, SIR. AND YOU HAVE DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING IN THIS PROJECT? YES, SIR, WE HAVE.

I THINK THERE'S FIVE DIFFERENT TYPES.

THERE'S TOWNHOUSE TOWNHOMES AND THERE'S VILLAS WHICH ARE LIKE A CONNECTED TO LIKE A DUPLEX, IF YOU WILL.

AND THEN THERE ARE BOTH THERE'S 40, 50 AND 60 FOOT WIDE LOT PRODUCT AVAILABLE.

YOU HAVE A 55 COMMUNITY.

WE DO THIS IS ACTUALLY AN AGE TARGETED COMMUNITY.

SO THIS.

I'M SORRY, RESTRICTED.

EXCUSE ME. SO.

OKAY. YES, SIR. AND SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT ON THE MIC? YES, IT WILL BE DEED RESTRICTED BY DEED.

IT'LL BE RESTRICTED TO 55 AND UP COMMUNITY.

OKAY. AND YOU HAVE MORE THAN ONE EXIT.

WE HAVE THREE MAIN POINTS OF ACCESS.

ONE IS ALONG EMERSON.

THE OTHER MAIN ENTRANCE IS ALONG THE PARKWAY.

AND THEN THERE'S ONE TO THE SOUTH FOR PACE.

YES, SIR. DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHER PROJECT.

AND. SO THE TRAFFIC STUDY HASN'T BEEN COMPLETED.

WE DID DO A TRAFFIC STUDY.

IT'S IN THE PROCESS OF HAVING THE TRIPS.

THE TRIP COUNTS ARE BEING UPDATED.

IT WAS COMPLETED IN JANUARY.

THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF DELAY GETTING THE PROJECT IN.

SO WE'RE UPDATING THAT TRAFFIC.

THOSE TRIP COUNTS, THOSE COUNTS WILL BE COMPLETED THIS WEEK.

AND THAT REVISED STUDY SHOULD BE IN STAFF'S HANDS IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS.

BUT THE RESULT OF THAT STUDY IS THAT THERE WILL BE TURN LANES ALONG THE PARKWAY.

AND THERE'S ALSO AND THERE'S ALSO TURN LANES ALONG EMERSON.

WHAT ABOUT A TRAFFIC LIGHT? SO BASED ON THE TRAFFIC DATA FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, WE DON'T TRIP THE THRESHOLDS TO WARRANT THE LIGHT OR SIGNAL ANALYSIS.

HOWEVER, THROUGH PROPORTIONATE FARE SHARE ANALYSIS, I'M SURE WE'LL BE CONTRIBUTING TO THAT TRAFFIC SIGNAL BECAUSE THAT'S THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE THREE ROADWAY, EMERSON AND PACE IS GOING TO BE IMPACTED VERY WITH TRAFFIC.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE. COUNCILMAN FOSTER, YOU'RE SPOT ON WITH THAT.

AND LAST MEETING I SAW, YOU KNOW, I WANTED DIFFERENT ACCESS WITH THE PREVIOUS.

RIGHT. BUT YOU'RE SPOT ON WITH THAT BECAUSE.

AND I WENT BACK OVER THERE, AND I SPENT SEVERAL, SEVERAL EVENINGS OVER THERE, AND ST JOHN'S RIGHT NOW IS THAT CAPACITY.

AND IT'S A IT'S SLOW WITH THOSE TWO LANES, EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE THOSE THREE DIFFERENT ACCESS POINTS.

AT THIS POINT, I'M REALLY NOT SATISFIED, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE SAYING THAT TRAFFIC STUDY DOESN'T WARRANT IT.

YOU GO OUT THERE AND YOU SIT THERE AND YOU'LL SEE HOW SLOW THE TRAFFIC IS.

AND THEN IF IF SOMEONE'S ON PACE TRYING TO MAKE A LEFT TURN, GO DOWN TO SOUTH MALABAR, IT'S GOING TO TAKE AN ACT OF CONGRESS, NO PUN INTENDED, BUT IT'S GOING TO TAKE IT'S GOING TO TAKE A WHILE.

SO I THINK YOU'RE SPOT ON WITH THAT.

AND THE REASON I WENT BACK OVER THERE WAS BECAUSE WHEN I, I VOTED YEA ON THIS LAST MEETING, BUT I WENT BACK OVER THERE AND I NOTICED THE OVERFLOW OF TRAFFIC IN PARTICULAR WHEN IT WAS 530 TO 7.

DURING THAT WHOLE TIME.

AND IT'S A SLOW PROCESS THROUGH THAT.

AND THERE'S THERE'S YOU KNOW, I'M NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER LIKE FRANK, BUT I CAN TELL YOU, ME SITTING AT THAT CORNER, IT REALLY ENLIGHTEN ME.

I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS PROJECT TODAY BECAUSE OF THAT.

AND I'M JUST GOING ON THE RECORD AS THAT.

AND I SEE THE, YOU KNOW, THE ENGINEERS, BUT.

OR THE TRAFFIC STUDIES.

BUT I'M JUST TELLING YOU I HAD A BAD EXPERIENCE WHEN I SAW THIS.

ALL THOSE HOMES THERE, IT'S GOING TO BE A DEVASTATING PROCESS UNLESS ALL OF THAT WAS FOR LANE.

AND SO I HAVE I HAVE THOSE CONCERNS.

WELL. BUT I WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU.

I THINK I APPRECIATE BECAUSE, I MEAN, WE WE'RE ALONG THE SAME PAGE HERE.

I VIEWED IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE I TRAVEL THERE A LOT.

I DON'T I LIVE DOWN THERE AND I TRAVEL.

THAT'S WHY I ASK THEM QUESTION.

I TRAVEL THAT ROAD A LOT AND I SCRATCH MY HEAD EVERY TIME I GO DOWN THERE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY DIDN'T BUILD A FOUR LANE.

UM. SO THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE WIDENING THE TRAFFIC LIGHT.

EVEN WITH A TRAFFIC LIGHT.

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THERE ARE DEFINITELY GOING TO BE MOMENTS IN THE DAY DURING PEAK HOUR TRAFFIC THAT YOU WILL WAIT.

ALL ROADWAY NETWORKS ARE DESIGNED TO BE THAT WAY.

SO I WE TALKED ABOUT THIS I GUESS A LITTLE BIT AT THE LAST MEETING.

THERE'S THE PERCEPTION OF A TRAFFIC ISSUE.

I WILL TELL YOU, DURING PEAK TIME, YOU WILL WAIT.

AND THAT'S NORMAL.

IT'S FRUSTRATING, PERHAPS, BUT IT'S NORMAL IF YOU GO OUT THERE DURING OFF PEAK HOURS, WHICH ARE, YOU KNOW, 20 THE OTHER 20 HOURS OF THE DAY, BECAUSE THE PEAK RATES ARE USUALLY 2 HOURS IN THE MORNING OR TWO IN THE AFTERNOON.

THE OTHER 20 HOURS, IT'S A NON ISSUE.

AND THAT'S HOW TRAFFIC ROADS ARE.

THE NETWORKS ARE DESIGNED.

THAT'S HOW THEY'RE WIDENED WHEN WE START HITTING THOSE PEAK VOLUMES AND I'M SORRY, OUTSIDE OF THE PEAK HOURS AND WE START EXCEEDING THOSE NUMBERS AND REQUIREMENTS AS TO WHEN WE START LOOKING AT MAKING THOSE OVERALL IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU'RE DISCUSSING.

I WILL TELL YOU THAT TRAFFIC STUDY HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY STAFF.

THE ONLY ITEM THAT WE'VE BEEN ASKED RIGHT NOW TO DO IS TO UPDATE THE THE TRIP COUNT JUST BECAUSE OF THE TIME OF THE YEAR.

AND THERE WAS NO INDICATION THERE WAS ANYTHING WRONG WITH THE TRAFFIC STUDY OR THAT IT NEEDED ANY ADDITIONAL ITEMS OTHER THAN THE TURN LANES THAT WERE INDICATED AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE REPORT.

OK. I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE CITY ENGINEER IF THAT'S.

YEAH. MADAM SHERMAN? YES, SIR. FRANK WATANABE, OUR CITY ENGINEER.

GOOD EVENING, FREQUENT, AND I'LL BE THE CITY ENGINEER.

OH, FRANK.

MYSELF AND THE MAYOR AND.

COUNCILMAN FELIX SITS ON THE SPACE COAST TRANSPORTATION BOARD, AND WE ADVOCATE FOR PALM BAY TO BE PUSHED AT THE TOP OF THE LIST IN GETTING FUNDING FOR OUR ROADS, ESPECIALLY THE MALABAR, THAT CORRIDOR.

TELL ME WHAT YOUR KNOWLEDGE IS AS FAR AS THE FUTURE OF THAT SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY, EMERSON AND PACE, AND WHAT YOU'VE SEEN? AND OVERALL OPINION, JUST AN OVERALL SENSE.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A NEW CONSULTANT WORKING ON FOR THE CITY, FOR THE NORTHEAST AREA AND ALSO FOR THE SOUTHEAST AREA, AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE SAME.

OVERALL, FROM A REGIONAL STANDPOINT, THESE IMPROVEMENTS NEEDED FOR THE FUTURE, SHORT TERM AND LONG TERM AND YOU GUYS ARE CORRECT IN TERMS OF THE WIDENING IS NEEDED FOR SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY FROM 2 TO 4 LANES.

THERE'S ALSO NEEDS FOR SIGNALS THAT PACE EMERSON AND MALABAR AT SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT STAND OUT AND ALL THESE TRAFFIC STUDIES AND STANDING OUT IN THE REGIONAL TRAFFIC STUDIES, THEY'RE ALSO FINDING OTHER AREAS THAT SHOCKED ME TOO, WHICH WAS MINTON ROAD AND ALSO JUPITER BETWEEN MALABAR AND DEGROOT. THEY ARE GOING TO BE REACHING THE THRESHOLDS AND SO WE'RE GOING TO BE COMING BACK WITH A MORE DETAIL, A SUMMARY WITH THE CONSULTANT TO EDUCATE EVERYBODY TO SEE WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GO. BUT CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW, THOSE AREAS ARE THE OR THE NEEDS FOR THE FUTURE.

THESE TRAFFIC STUDIES, THEY LOOK AT THEM INDEPENDENTLY BASED ON WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING WITH THE DEVELOPMENTS.

THEN THEY ADD A BACKGROUND.

TRAFFIC WAS ALREADY APPROVED AND THEN THEY COME UP WITH A BUILD OUT CONDITION.

A LOT OF TIMES, AGAIN, THEY'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM THEIR OWN WINDOW.

WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT IT FROM A LARGER REGIONAL STANDPOINT AND LOOKING AT THE ROADWAYS AND FINDING OUT WHEN AND WHERE OVERALL WHEN THESE ARE TRIGGERED.

AND JUST THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BEEN MENTIONING EMERSON NEEDS TO BE SIGNALIZED.

IT WAS TRIGGERED BACK WHEN THESE PROJECTS WERE ESTABLISHED.

SO IT NEEDS A SIGNAL.

I HAVE A BID, RIGHT. OR A PROPOSAL FROM A CONSULTANT TO HELP DESIGN AND CONSTRUCT THAT SIGNAL.

AND WE'RE RIGHT NOW WORKING WITH THE COUNTY.

IT'S IN THE COUNTY'S REVIEW.

WE GOT THEIR COMMENTS TO INSTALL A SIGNAL AT MALABAR AT ST JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY.

THAT'S IN THE PROCESS TO AS SOON AS I COULD CLEAR THE PERMITS, WE'LL BID IT OUT AND WE'LL GET THAT INTERSECTION INSTALLED.

SO WE'RE WORKING ON THOSE INTERSECTIONS, BUT THE CRITICAL ONE IS GOING TO BE THE FOUR LANE WIDENING OF ST JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY.

AND FRANK, YOU KNOW, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

THESE DEVELOPMENTS JUST DON'T POP UP IN THIN AIR.

IT TAKES TIME TO DEVELOP.

TO WARRANT A WIDENING OF A ROAD OR TRAFFIC SIGNAL.

WE JUST DON'T PUT IT IN THERE WHEN IT'S THE COWS JUST LIVING ON THE PASTURE.

WE'VE GOT TO HAVE PEOPLE LIVING THERE BEFORE WE PUT THESE THINGS UP SO IT JUST DON'T HAPPEN.

YOU KNOW, THE HOUSE IS JUST NOT GOING TO POP OUT OF THIN AIR.

IT MIGHT TAKE FOUR OR FIVE YEARS FOR THE WHOLE PROJECT OR MORE JUST AND JUST EDUCATED.

THIS ALL HAPPENED ABOUT 2018, 2019, WHEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU HAD THIS LARGE GROWTH IN THIS AREA.

AND THE PROBLEM IS GOING TO BE.

THESE DEVELOPMENTS HAVE BEEN APPROVED AND THOSE CHIPS ARE, I CALL THEM GHOST SHIPS.

THEY'RE PROVE THOSE SHIPS HAVE BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR, BUT THEY'RE NOT YET THERE BECAUSE THE HOMES AREN'T BUILT.

AS SOON AS THE HOMES GET BUILT, THOSE GHOST SHIPS FROM REAL TRIPS AND THOSE REAL SHIPS ARE THEN IMPACT THOSE ROADWAYS.

AND AGAIN, THOSE CORRIDORS LIKE, SAY, MALABAR ROAD, IT'S ALMOST THAT CAPACITY.

ST JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY IS GOING TO BE THERE JUST THE SAME BECAUSE OF THESE GHOST TRIPS THAT WE APPROVED.

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IN YOUR OPINION, MONEY IS GOING TO BE THE BIGGEST ISSUE, EVEN WITH PROP SHARES.

THE SIGNAL IS NOT A PROBLEM.

THE FOUR LANE WIDENING. YES, BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO GO ALL THE WAY UP TO 192.

WE'RE ONLY GOING TO DO THE CITIES PORTION, WHICH IS THREE MILES UP TO JUST PASS EMERSON TO THE TO THE COUNTY, TO THE CANAL.

BEYOND THAT, THAT'S THE COUNTY.

THE FOUR LANES GOT TO GO ALL THE WAY UP TO 192.

RIGHT. WELL, AND THAT'S MY.

THIS. THIS IS THE POINT I'M MAKING.

WE DON'T OWN ALL OF THAT RIGHT AWAY.

AND IF THE COUNTY DON'T DO THEIR PART AND WE DO ALL, WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE A BACKDOOR WAY.

CORRECT. THANK YOU.

JUST KILLS. COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO.

THANK YOU. SO, FRANK, WHEN WE ORIGINALLY BROUGHT OUR COMMERCIAL IN FRONT OF US ON EMERSON DRIVE, AND WHEN THAT COMMERCIAL WAS PROPOSED, I BROUGHT UP THE TRAFFIC STUDY AS WELL FOR THE COMMERCIAL. AND YOU SAID IT'S POSSIBLY A TRIP FOR A TRAFFIC SIGNAL.

NOW WE'RE ADDING MORE RESIDENTIAL TO THIS AREA.

AND ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A TRAFFIC SIGNAL THERE AT EMERSON AND PACE FOR THOSE FOR THOSE PEOPLE OVER THERE IN WEST PINE ESTATES, OR ARE WE WORKING ON THE ONE AT EMERSON SINCE IT GOT TRIGGERED? WE'RE GETTING A CONSULTANT TO DESIGN AND EVENTUALLY GO OUT TO CONSTRUCTION AND WE'RE TRYING TO, LIKE I SAY, THAT'S GOING TO BE EXPEDITED BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO GET IT'LL COME TO COUNCIL BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE TO SPIT IT OUT.

FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT.

SO THAT ONE'S BEING WORKED ON LIKE IT MENTIONED BEFORE, THE ONE THERE AT MALABAR AT ST JOHNS WE'RE WORKING ON IN HOUSE WITH THE COUNTY WHERE WE GOT THE COMMENTS.

WE'RE GOING TO REVISE THE PLANS AND GET OUR PERMITS AND BID IT OUT FOR CONSTRUCTION SO THOSE TWO ARE TAKEN CARE OF.

PACE IS ANOTHER ONE, I BELIEVE IS ALSO GOING TO GET TRIGGERED REAL FAST.

ALL THE STUDIES SAY NOT YET.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO GET TRIGGERED.

WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS WHEN YOU START ADDING UP ALL THESE TRAFFIC STUDIES, YOU START HEADING UP ALL THE NUMBERS.

AND IT'S IT'S NOT GOING TO TAKE MUCH TO TO TRIGGER THE NEED FOR A SIGNAL BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, THEY'RE VERY CLOSE TO CAPACITY WISE.

YOU LOOK AT THE OVERALL AVERAGE DAILY TRAFFIC.

THEN YOU ALSO LOOK AT THE PEAK WINDOWS.

THEY'RE GETTING CLOSE.

YEAH. I MEAN, I THOUGHT I WAS TRIPPED WHEN WHEN THE COMMERCIAL WAS APPROVED, I THOUGHT WAS WE TRIP THEN, BUT WE STILL HAVE A TRAFFIC LIGHT OUT THERE AND NOW WE'RE ASKING FOR MORE RESIDENTIAL OUT THERE AND POSSIBLY SEEING A TRAFFIC LIGHT.

POSSIBLY NOT, ACCORDING TO MS. SAUNDERS. BUT YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT ONCE THIS IS ALL DEVELOPED, THERE WILL BE A TRAFFIC LIGHT AT EMERSON AND A HERITAGE PARKWAY AND EMERSON HERITAGE.

THE OVERALL STUDY THAT WILL PRESENT TO YOU FROM THE NORTHEAST CONSULTANT THAT WE BROUGHT ON BOARD THOSE THREE INTERSECTIONS ARE NEEDED SIGNALIZED WITH TURN LANES.

THANK YOU, FRANK. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THE STAFF ON THESE UP. THANK YOU, SIR.

YOU'RE WELCOME, SIR.

YES, MA'AM. I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP REAL QUICK ON WHAT FRANK WAS SAYING AND JUST EMPHASIZE THE PART OF THE STORY THAT HAPPENS ON THE HEELS OF THE NORTHWEST TRAFFIC STUDY THAT THE CITY HAS COMMISSIONED IS THAT GIVES US THE DATA THAT THEN WE GO BACK TO THESE EIGHT OR SO DEVELOPMENTS IN THIS GENERAL REGION AND WE NEGOTIATE THE PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE OF CONTRACTS WITH THEM, THE AGREEMENTS.

SO THAT'S THE THAT'S THE DATA THAT WE'RE WE'RE WORKING TO GATHER.

WHEN YOU GAVE US THE FUNDING PERMISSION TO DO THAT.

SO ALL THAT WHEN WE COME BACK AND REPORT TO YOU, WE'LL SEE CLEARLY WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THOSE VARIOUS IMPROVEMENTS, WHETHER IT'S A PORTION OF A WIDENING OR A PORTION OF TRAFFIC SIGNAL TURN LANES, WHATEVER, ALL OF THAT WILL BE PART OF THE DATA THAT WE'LL GET FROM THAT AND THAT GUIDES OUR NEXT STEPS.

SO EVEN THOUGH WE MAY NOT HAVE ONE DEVELOPMENT THAT TRIGGERS LIKE AN ENTIRE WIDENING OF THE WHOLE ROAD AS AN EXAMPLE.

THEY WILL HAVE A PORTION.

AND SO ALL OF THOSE PIECES TOGETHER ADD UP AND THEY DEVELOP IN PHASES.

SO THOSE PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE ITEMS OFTENTIMES ARE PHASED AS WELL.

BUT I JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW, LIKE, THAT'S THE NEXT STEP.

SO YOU'LL START SEEING THOSE PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE AGREEMENTS COME FORWARD.

ON THE HEELS OF THAT STUDY BEING APPROVED BY COUNCIL.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. EVERY MAYOR, ANY SPEAKER CAN'T SPEAK OF CARDS.

MAY I ASK THE APPLICANT ONE QUESTION? I JUST WANT TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION.

ANY THOUGHTS ON WHAT FRANK SAID? NO. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THIS PROJECT TRIPPING THE THRESHOLD AND IT ALREADY BEING NEEDED.

I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE CLARIFIED THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE.

AND IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER, JOSH BLACK WITH LASSITER TRANSPORTATION GROUP, WHO'S DONE OUR STUDY.

JUST ONE QUESTION FOR YOU ALSO.

THE CITY IS DOING ITS OWN THEIR OWN STUDY.

WE'RE GOING TO DO OUR OWN STUDY. IF WE SAY YOU PAY A PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE FOR A TRAFFIC LIGHT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, ARE YOU GOING TO AGREE WITH IT OR DISAGREE WITH IT? SO THAT'S PART OF THE STUDY, RIGHT? SO THERE'S ALREADY THERE'S ALREADY THAT NEGOTIATION PROCESSES IN PLACE, WHETHER YOU GUYS ARE DOING A STUDY OR NOT.

PART OF THE EFFORTS OF DOING THE TRAFFIC STUDY, ONCE IT'S AGREED UPON AND SOLIDIFIED AND DONE AND ACCEPTED BY THE CITY, THEN THE NEXT STEP IS GOING THROUGH THAT PROPORTIONATE, FAIR SHARE ANALYSIS AND DETERMINING WHO PAYS FOR WHAT AND WHAT IS YOUR PERCENTAGE SHARE.

AS MS.. SHERMAN MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THE WIDENING OF THE ROAD I'LL USE I'LL TRY AND USE AN EASY EXAMPLE IF A TURN LANE IS NEEDED BECAUSE YOU HIT

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BUT THAT TURN LINE ISN'T NECESSARILY THERE YET, BUT IT WAS REQUIRED TO BE.

WE WOULD PAY FOR OUR 25 TRIPS THAT COST, THAT PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE WOULD BE ALLOCATED BACK TO OUR SPECIFIC PROJECT.

WE'D BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PAYING THAT THROUGH IMPACT FEES OR WHATEVER THAT ANALYSIS IS IN THE CITY WOULD COLLECT AND MANAGE THOSE.

SO THE ANSWER, THE SHORT ANSWER IS YES, WE DO END UP COMING TO AN AGREEMENT ON WHAT THAT PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE ALLOCATION IS BETWEEN OURSELVES AND THE CITY.

THANK YOU. MS. SANDERS. GOING BACK TO MS..

SHERMAN AND USING YOUR SAME EXAMPLE, YOUR STUDY SAYS YOU HAVE 90 TRIPS OR STUDY SAYS YOU HAVE 100 TRIPS.

WHAT WOULD HAPPEN THEN? SO I THINK THAT BECOMES AGAIN, THAT BECOMES A DISCUSSION POINT BETWEEN THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS.

THAT'S OUTSIDE OF MY PURVIEW.

IT'S NOT MY SPECIALTY, BUT CERTAINLY THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS WOULD HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND WE'D FIGURE OUT WHY THERE WAS A DISCREPANCY OF TEN TRIPS AND WHITTLE IT DOWN.

THAT'S PART OF THAT NEGOTIATING PROCESS.

YOU'RE WELCOME. JOSH, WOULD YOU MIND COMING UP AND SPEAKING? THANK YOU. EVENING.

SO AS YOU GUYS KNOW, THERE'S EXPONENTIAL GROWTH IN THIS SECTOR.

JOSH BLACKWOOD, LACERDA TRANSPORTATION GROUP, THE EXPONENTIAL GROWTH, YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED EIGHT DEVELOPMENTS AND THERE'S A WHOLE LOT MORE DOWNLINE, YOU KNOW, ON THE BREVARD COUNTY SIDE UP AROUND 192.

AND SO WHAT HAPPENS IS, IS THROUGH THE CONCURRENCY SYSTEM, THROUGH YOUR PROCESS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO PAY FOR OUR IMPACTS OF THE ROADWAY NETWORK, RIGHT? SO WHAT HAPPENS IS, IS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, WE IDENTIFY WHAT'S BROKEN ALREADY, WHAT THE PROJECT BREAKS, AND THEN WE FIGURE OUT WHAT THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE NECESSARY TO MAKE THE TRAFFIC FLOW PROPERLY.

AND SO ONCE WE IDENTIFY THOSE, WE FIGURE OUT WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THAT PROJECT IS CONSUMING OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.

AND THAT'S HOW YOU CALCULATE THE PROPORTIONATE SHARE.

SO LET'S SAY IT'S A FOUR LANE ROAD WIDENING COST $10 MILLION.

IF THAT PROJECT CONSUMES 10% OF THAT $4 MILLION, THEY'RE ON THE HOOK TO PAY THAT 10% OF THOSE TRIPS THAT THEY'RE PUTTING ON THAT ROADWAY.

AND SO THIS IS A PROJECT THAT'S TEN YEARS OUT.

AND SO AS WE COME ONLINE, ALL OF THESE ALL THESE STUDIES ARE TO COME TOGETHER.

THEY'RE GOING TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPACTS.

FRANK STUDY THAT HE'S HAVING DONE IS GOING TO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF TAKE ALL THESE INDIVIDUAL STUDIES, PUT THEM TOGETHER SO YOU GUYS HAVE A PLAN MOVING FORWARD.

AND SO ALL THESE DEVELOPMENTS ARE PAYING PROPER SHARE, PAYING IMPACT FEES, AND THAT'S THE FUNDING TO KEEP THE NETWORK FROM BREAKING.

SO TEN YEARS OUT.

I SEE THE LOT'S BEING CLEARED NOW.

WELL. SO THOSE PROJECTS ARE PAYING IMPACT FEES RIGHT NOW.

THIS PROJECT IS COMING ONLINE AND SO WE'RE NEGOTIATING WHAT THOSE IMPACTS ARE.

THAT'S WHAT THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE STUDY, PROPORTIONATE SHARE AGREEMENTS ARE.

SO THIS ISN'T GOING TO BE BUILT OUT FOR TEN YEARS.

I MEAN, I THINK. ENFORCE.

AND THAT'S WHEN MY POINT WHEN I SAID, YOU KNOW, CAN'T I MEAN, THE COWS ARE THERE.

THE PEOPLE ARE NOT THERE.

AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE A WHILE FOR THE HOUSES TO BE BUILT, THE HOUSES TO BE BOUGHT FOR PEOPLE TO MOVE IN.

THIS IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN IN A YEAR OR TWO YEARS.

IT'S GOING TO BE OVER A LONG TIME.

BUT THAT WHOLE SAINT JOHN PARKWAY FROM SARNO ROAD TO I MEAN, FROM 95 ON DOWN TO MALABAR IS GROWING.

ABSOLUTELY. AND HOUSES ARE BEING BUILT ON THE COUNTY SIDE OR MELBOURNE OR WEST POINT, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S NOT BEING.

NOT YET. IF WE APPROVE THIS, IT'S NOT BEING BUILT IN PALM BAY.

SO REGARDLESS OF TRAFFIC STUDY.

WEST MELBOURNE. THE COUNTY IS GOING TO IMPACT PALM BAY REGARDLESS.

AM I RIGHT? YOU'RE CORRECT.

ABSOLUTELY. SO WE'D BE DAMNED IF WE DO.

WE DAMNED IF WE DON'T. THE ONLY THING WE'D BE LOSING IS IMPACT FEE.

THE FIRE STATION THAT WE NEED TO BUILD AND HAVE A LOT IN TAXES SO WE DON'T HAVE TO.

GO OVER OUR CAT.

TO PAY FOR OUR PUBLIC SERVICES AND IN.

OF COURSE, YOU'RE THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER, YOU'RE NOT THE DEVELOPER, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF THERE'S A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IN THE GROUND THERE.

TONS, TONS OF INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND YOU KNOW WHAT? THE NEW BUILDING STANDARDS AND ALL THOSE THINGS, I MEAN, THERE'S LOTS OF IMPROVEMENTS ARE IN PLACE IN OUR STUDY THAT WE DID ALL THE WAY UP TO UPDATE IT IDENTIFIES NUMEROUS IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE NEEDED BECAUSE OF THIS PROJECT.

AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS TO MITIGATE THOSE THROUGH PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE.

YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT IT'S NOT A SITUATION WHERE WE GET APPROVAL AND THEN WE BUILD AND NOTHING HAPPENS.

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THERE'S NUMEROUS DEVELOPMENTS GOING IN NOW.

LET'S SEE WHAT THE WEST SIDE, A LOT OF IT'S WETLANDS, SO IT WON'T BE, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF GOING IN.

YES. THANK YOU.

ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, COUNSEL? THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON.

MR. ROBERTS. NICE.

ROBERT STYLES 1796 WIN BOOK DRIVE SOUTHEAST.

FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU.

I MEAN, I'M SEEING PEOPLE LEAN FORWARD LISTENING.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN COMING UP HERE FOR OVER A YEAR AND TALKING ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE AND WHAT HAVE YOU.

BUT WHAT I WANT TO TELL YOU IS WATCHED A LITTLE BIT OF FOX BUSINESS THIS MORNING.

AND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS WHAT A HIT THE HOMEOWNER, THE HOME INDUSTRY CONTRACTS HAVE TAKEN NATIONWIDE.

FLORIDA IS STILL HOT.

DEVELOPERS REALLY I'M NOT TRYING TO DISS AND BUT THEY'RE GOING TO TELL YOU WHAT THEY WANT.

THEY THEY WANT YOU TO HEAR AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO BE GONE.

YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY TELL YOU THAT A 55 PLUS COMMUNITY, YOU'RE ONLY GOING TO HAVE 122 TRIPS LIKE THEY WERE SAYING IN ONE AREA.

I TALKED TO PEOPLE AT TILGHMAN CANAL.

THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT EIGHT, EIGHT TRIPS PER PERSON.

SO WHAT NUMBER IS IT? OK. I'M THE PRESIDENT OF HOLLAWAY AND SOME OF YOU, MOST OF THE RETIREES THAT I SEE ARE BUSIER NOW THAN THEY EVER HAVE BEEN WORKING.

THE OTHER THING. SO CONSIDER THAT.

THE OTHER THING IS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MR. FOSTER, ABOUT WHAT THE SHORT TERM IS.

AND YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.

BUT PLEASE DON'T LOSE FOCUS ON WHAT THAT LONG TERM IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

I HEARD FRANK WATANABE TALKING ABOUT MALIBU AND THE OTHER ROAD THAT I THAT ESCAPES ME RIGHT NOW ALMOST AT CAPACITY.

YOU DON'T WANT SUBURBAN GRIDLOCK.

I MEAN, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A BUNCH OF FRUSTRATED PEOPLE THAT WILL BE LOOKING FOR OTHER PLACES TO LIVE.

SO I KNOW THIS SOUNDS WONDERFUL.

EVERY TIME I COME UP HERE, WE'RE APPROVING HUNDREDS AND THOUSANDS OF HOMES.

I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO THINK SHORT TERM OF THE EFFECT AND LONG TERM, WHAT'S THAT EFFECT GOING TO BE? AND PEOPLE ARE STILL GOING TO BE HAVING KIDS.

SO THANK YOU FOR FOCUSING ON THAT.

BUT PLEASE TAKE CONSIDERATION.

I GOT TO TELL YOU, WE HAD DEVELOPERS HERE TALKING ABOUT HOW WONDERFUL IT'S GOING TO BE AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TRAILS AND PARKS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

THEN THEY'RE OUT OF HERE AND IT JUST CAN KEEP BUILDING.

YOU GUYS HAVE A CHANCE.

WHAT IS YOUR LEGACY GOING TO BE? BECAUSE WHEN THESE THINGS ARE BUILT OUT, THESE LARGE DEVELOPMENTS GENTLEMEN, HAVE BUILT OUT AND SHOW LEGACY.

AND HOPEFULLY THAT'S A DYNAMITE LEGACY.

SO DON'T HAPHAZARDLY CHECK THE BOX FOR THE IMPACT FEES.

LOOK AT THAT LEGACY AND WHAT YOU REALLY WANT IT TO BE.

A LOT OF YOU MAY YOU'VE BEEN HERE 30, 35 YEARS, 33 YEARS, A LOT OF LONG TIME PEOPLE IN HERE, MOST OF WHAT 4 TO 5 OF YOU ARE MILITARY GUYS OR ENGAGED IN WITH THE MILITARY SOMEHOW.

I KNOW YOUR HEART'S IN THE RIGHT PLACE, BUT THINK THIS THROUGH.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YOU THEN, DEPUTY MAYOR.

YEAH. YES, SIR.

COME ON UP. HI, MY NAME IS GREG PETTIBONE.

I'M WITH HONOR HOMES.

I LIVE AT 149 SOUTHEAST KAREN'S DRIVE AND FORT ST LUCIE.

SPEAKING A LITTLE BIT ON BEHALF OF THE PROJECT, THE GENTLEMAN MENTIONED LEGACY AND I HONESTLY THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT TO MENTION THIS.

THIS PROJECT ITSELF HAS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF LEGACY IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

TRACKING BACK, I WOULD SAY TEN PLUS YEARS WE HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE CITY THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE PROPERTY THAT WE OWN.

WE HAD DONATED THE RIGHT AWAY, ACTUALLY THE PROPERTY FOR THE RIGHT AWAY FOR THE ROADWAY, FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE PARKWAY THROUGH THE SITE, FOR WHAT IS ULTIMATELY A SIX LANE BUILD OUT. WE ALSO DONATED THE PROPERTY FOR THE EXTENSION OF EMERSON AND PACE.

WE'VE ALSO ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY WHERE OUR SITE TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION AND WE TAKE THE WATER FROM THE PARKWAY, EMERSON AND PACE, AND WE TREAT THAT.

SO WE'VE, WE'VE ACTUALLY GIVEN UP LAND, SO TO SPEAK, FOR THE TREATMENT OF THAT, THAT DRAINAGE.

SO I WOULD ASK THAT THESE ITEMS DON'T BE FORGOTTEN BECAUSE WE'VE ACTUALLY TRIED TO BE PART OF IT AND PARTNER TO THIS DEVELOPMENT AND TO THE EXPANSION OF INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE CITY. SO THANK YOU ALL.

I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS, SIR.

THANK YOU. ANY ADDITIONAL.

COMMON QUESTIONS.

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I KNOW THAT TRAFFIC HAS BEEN A BIG TOPIC OF CONVERSATION.

I THINK THE CITY STAFF, WITH THEIR COMPREHENSIVE REGIONAL STUDY, ALONG WITH OUR TEAM OF PROFESSIONALS FROM TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE, ARE GOING TO GET IT DONE.

THERE'S NO BENEFIT TO THIS COMMUNITY TO BE.

NOT HAVE THE TRAFFIC WORK AND FLOW AROUND US.

RIGHT. THAT'S A DETRIMENT TO THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.

SO IT'S A SELF SERVING INTEREST, BUT IT'S IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TRAFFIC COMPONENTS WORK BECAUSE WE WANT PEOPLE TO LIVE THERE.

WE'RE PART OF THE GATEWAY.

AS YOU COME INTO THE CITY OF PALM BAY FROM FROM THE NORTH COMING SOUTH.

SO WE'RE PROUD AND EXCITED TO BE PART OF PART OF THAT.

BRINGING THESE HOMES SITES IN IS GOING TO HELP BOLSTER THAT 60 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL THAT YOU SORT OF SEE IN RED THERE.

WITHOUT THOSE, THOSE COMMERCIAL PARCELS ARE NOT GOING TO DEVELOP AND COME ONLINE.

AND I KNOW THIS COUNCIL IN TOWN HAS BEEN OUR CITY HAS BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

ANOTHER THING TO MENTION.

PIGGYBACK ON WHAT GREG SAID, I MENTIONED IT BRIEFLY BEFORE, BUT WITH THE UTILITY EXTENSIONS THAT WE BROUGHT UP AS WELL.

SO THAT WAS NO SMALL FEAT EITHER.

THAT WAS A THREE OR $4 MILLION PROJECT THAT WE'VE DONE IN ADVANCE OF PRIOR TO THIS PROJECT COMING ONLINE BECAUSE.

BRINGING THAT LINE UP INTO EMERSON AND MAKING THE CONNECTION AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY BENEFIT THIS PROJECT.

AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE COULD HAVE CHOSEN TO WAIT ON THAT AND PROPOSE TO DO THAT EXTENSION WITH THIS PROJECT.

AND WE DIDN'T BECAUSE WE WERE BRINGING A SMALLER SEGMENT AND A PHASE UP AND WE DECIDED AGAIN TO TO GO THE DISTANCE, SO TO SPEAK, AND GO FORWARD ALL THE WAY UP TO EMERSON AND MAKE THAT CONNECTION FOR THE CITY.

YOU KNOW, IN BEST FAITH EFFORTS, KNOWING THAT WE WERE COMING IN THE DOOR WITH THIS PROJECT.

SO AGAIN, JUST WOULD APPRECIATE IF YOU COULD KIND OF REMIND REMEMBER THOSE ITEMS AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS WHILE YOU'RE DELIBERATING, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO ASK.

YOU KNOW, YOU HAD ME LAST MEETING BECAUSE OF THE THREE WORKED ON THOSE THREE ACCESS POINTS.

RIGHT. THAT I REALLY APPRECIATED THAT.

AND THEN WHEN I SAW AND I'M JUST I'M JUST SHARING THIS PUBLICLY WHEN I WENT OUT THERE ON MULTIPLE DAYS TO.

TO JUST LOOK AT ALL THAT TRAFFIC YOU'RE RIGHT IT IS DURING THE RUSH HOUR THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO ME WAS BEING THERE FROM 530, MAYBE 520 ON.

RIGHT. SURE. AND WITNESSING THE SNAIL PACE OF A TWO LANE CORRIDOR OF ST JOHN'S.

AND THEN I'M HEARING IT'S TEN YEARS, TEN YEARS BUILT OUT.

THEN I'M HEARING AND I REALLY APPRECIATE GREG'S COMMENTS WITH ALL THE EFFORTS THAT THEY'VE BEEN WORKING WITH CITY STAFF.

THE RIGHT OF WAY IS IS A CRITICAL COMPONENT TO TO THAT CORRIDOR AND TO GIVE AWAY THE RIGHT OF WAY.

AS MY MY FELLOW COLLEAGUE, COUNCILMAN FOSTER SAYS, HE HE WANTED THIS FOUR LANE BUILT, BUT THE RIGHT OF WAY IS THERE THE RIGHT WAY.

WHAT I'M HEARING UP TO SIX LANES.

AND SO. YES, SIR. THANK YOU FOR REFRESHING OUR MEMORY WITH THAT.

YOU HAVE ME. YOU LOST ME.

AND I'M STILL I'M I'M AT A POINT WHERE THAT TRAFFIC IS REALLY ON THE BACK OF MY MIND.

IT TRULY IS.

AND I KNOW THAT THE ENGINEER I HEARD THE ENGINEER AT THE SAME TIME.

WE HAVE TO WE HAVE TO BUILD THIS OUT.

SO I'M I'M IN THAT DILEMMA.

SO. SO ONE OF THE ITEMS IF YOU IF.

AM I ALLOWED TO RESPOND BACK? I STILL I'M JUST NOT SHARING WITH YOU WHERE I'M AT.

YOU HAD ME, YOU LOST ME.

YOU HAVE ME. I LIKE TO KEEP YOU, BUT I REALLY.

YEAH, BUT I REALLY.

I'D LIKE TO KEEP YOU. I REALLY.

I REALLY APPRECIATED GREG'S COMMENTS.

SO AT ANY RATE, THERE'S NOT A SPECIFIC THING.

I JUST DON'T KNOW RIGHT NOW.

I LOVE THE THREE.

IF YOU COULD COME OUT AND SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO EXTEND IT, I KNOW THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO.

TURNING LANES AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A TRAFFIC LIGHT IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT A TRAFFIC LIGHT THERE.

AND AND I HEAR THOSE THINGS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO HEAR.

WELL, I THINK WHAT YOU BASED ON I THINK WHAT WE HEARD FROM FRANK IS THAT THOSE ITEMS ARE IN THE WORK.

SO, FRANK, MAYBE YOU NEED TO POP BACK UP AND SAY THAT.

BUT THE SIGNAL THAT EMERSON IS UNDER IS THAT IN THE WORKS, RIGHT? SO THAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE WORKS AND UNDERWAY.

BEING DESIGNED BY CITY ON EMERSON AT THE PARKWAY AND PACER.

I DON'T BELIEVE PACE HAS BEEN STARTED YET, BUT EMERSON HAS BEEN.

YES, SIR. AND THAT'S IN THE PARKWAY.

CORRECT? YES, SIR.

AND I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT FROM A TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE, THE PARKWAY IS A LIMITED ACCESS ROADWAY, SO WE DON'T WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE 192.

RIGHT? WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE ACCESS POINTS ALL OVER IT.

IT'S MEANT TO BE A LIMITED ACCESS PARKWAY, WHICH IS WHY WE ONLY HAVE THE ONE CONNECTION ALONG THE PARKWAY ITSELF, BECAUSE WE ARE ABLE TO UTILIZE THE INTERSECTIONS AT EMERSON AND PACE, WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE THAT NORTH SOUTH CORRIDOR.

SO WE DO HAVE QUITE AN EXTENSIVE ROADWAY NETWORK INTERNAL TO THE PROJECT.

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SO AGAIN, ONCE THEY GET INTO THE DEVELOPMENT, THERE'S NO REASON UNLESS YOU'RE LEAVING TO GO SHOPPING OR TO GO NORTH OR TO TO GET BACK OUT ON THOSE EXTERNAL ROADWAYS. IT'S THAT COMMERCIAL THAT HAS ME.

RIGHT, RIGHT. SO THERE'S NO WE'RE BIG ON THAT COMMERCIAL.

YES, SIR, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.

YES. SO THERE'S A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF EMERSON.

THIS PARCEL HAS DIRECT ACCESS TO.

SO THERE'S NO THERE'S NO REASON FOR ANYBODY TO GO OUT EXTERNALLY ONTO THE PARKWAY OR EMERSON TO ACCESS THOSE PARCELS.

THEY WOULD THEY WOULD CONNECT THEY WOULD ACCESS THEM ON THE NORTH SOUTH ROADWAY.

INTERNAL. THANK YOU, MA'AM.

YES, SIR. THE TRAFFIC IS IS THE COUNCILMAN FOSTER AGAIN? DO YOU KNOW THE ECONOMIC IMPACT? IT WILL BRING INTO THE CITY RESOURCES.

THIS PROJECT WAS THE ECONOMIC IMPACT.

I KNOW THAT FIGURE FROM AN IMPACT FEE PERSPECTIVE.

GIVE ME THE FIGURES THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR HEAD.

I DON'T. I KNOW IT'S 840 UNITS.

GREG WOULD PROBABLY KNOW THOSE NUMBERS BETTER THAN I.

840 HOMES.

CAN YOU. WOULD YOU PLEASE COME UP TO THE MIC SO WE COULD HAVE YOU ON RECORD? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

SO SPEAKING TO THE ECONOMIC IMPACT WITH IMPACT FEES, I WOULD HAVE TO ACTUALLY DO THAT CALCULATION.

I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD WHAT THE ACTUAL ROADWAY IMPACT FEE IS IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

I KNOW MOST MUNICIPALITIES AND I'M MISSPEAKING.

MAYBE STAFF COULD HELP ME.

I KNOW IN MOST MUNICIPALITIES IT'S THREE OR FOUR OR $5,000 PER HOMESITE.

SO EVERY EVERY PERMIT THAT GETS PULLED, THERE'S A CORRESPONDING PAYMENT FOR ROADWAY FIRE OR PARKS REC POLICE.

I DON'T KNOW EACH OF THOSE IN THE CITY, BUT THOSE ARE ACTUALLY PAID WITH EACH HOME PERMIT.

THE OVERALL ECONOMIC IMPACT OF THE PROJECT, YOU KNOW.

AT THE STANDARD STANDARD PRICE OF A HOME.

95% OF THOSE COSTS ARE GENERALLY SPENT WITHIN THE COUNTY TO BUILD THE HOME.

SO THE ECONOMIC IMPACT IS CONTINUED, JOBS CONTINUED, GROWTH CONTINUED.

EVERYTHING FROM THE CARPENTER, THE TRADESMEN TO THE SUPPLIER OF TILE.

YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MANY JOBS IT'S GOING TO CREATE.

YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY THAT WILL BRING IN CITY.

I WOULD, I WOULD HONESTLY, I COULD DO A QUICK LITTLE ANALYSIS, BUT IT WOULD BE BACK OF THE NAPKIN MATH.

BUT I WOULD TELL YOU THAT THIS PROJECT IS PROBABLY.

YEAH, I KNOW, RIGHT? IF I MAY, I THINK AS FAR AS IMPACT FEES.

REGARDING ONE SECOND.

HOLD ON. COUNCILMAN FOSTER HAS THE FLOOR, AND HE'S ACTUALLY SPEAKING WITH GREG.

THIS IS MY. THIS IS MY ONLY QUESTION.

I'M GOING TO BE. I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF HE KNEW.

WHAT? IMPACT THIS WILL BRING INTO THE CITY.

AND THAT IMPACT WILL ALSO SPUR COMMERCIAL GROWTH BECAUSE IT'S GOT A LOT OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTY PARCELS, I SHOULD SAY.

NOT PROPERTY IS AROUND THESE PROJECTS.

YES, SIR. AND THERE'S ACTUALLY 60 ACRES OF ADJOINING PROPERTY TO THIS.

IT'S A SEPARATE OWNER.

WE HAVE A LONG TERM RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM THAT GOES BACK TO THE PURCHASE OF THIS SITE.

I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THEIR SITE.

THEY WERE ACTUALLY A REASON WHY WE THIS THEY AND.

OUR NEEDS TO EXPAND AND BUILD OUT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WERE THE REASON LARGELY WHY WE WE CONTINUED AND ACTUALLY TO CORRECTION.

I THINK WE WERE CLOSER TO ABOUT $7 MILLION FOR THE WATER AND SEWER EXTENSION UP THE PARKWAY.

BUT I THINK THAT OBVIOUSLY ROOFTOPS EQUATE TO STORES.

AND THAT'S THAT'S A VERY BASIC FUNDAMENTAL OF DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA.

WE DIDN'T HAVE WATER.

NOW WE WILL HAVE WATER.

YES. AND THAT THAT PROJECT HAS ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED.

SO WE DID TAKE A LOT OF RISK THAT OBVIOUSLY WE FELT THAT THIS PROJECT WOULD WOULD BE RECEIVED VERY WELL.

WE TRIED VERY HARD TO DESIGN A VERY ELEGANT NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE TRIED TO LEAVE, AT LEAST ON THIS PHASE.

WE'VE LEFT ALL OF THE WETLANDS.

WE'VE LEFT A BUFFER OF THE EXISTING WETLANDS THAT RUNS ALONG OUR EAST PROPERTY LINE THAT RANGES FROM 150 FEET TO I THINK ABOUT 75 FEET AS A BUFFER BETWEEN US AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD NEXT DOOR TO THE EAST.

SO I THINK WE'VE TRIED VERY HARD TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.

WE TRIED TO LEAVE A NICE WOOD LINE ALONG PACE DRIVE, SO THAT AS YOU DRIVE DOWN THERE, YOU ACTUALLY AREN'T JUST MET WITH STANDARD NEW DEVELOPMENT.

YOU ACTUALLY SEE A NICE MATURE PINE GROWTH.

SO WE'VE ACTUALLY REALLY TRIED TO CHECK ALL THE BOXES TO MAKE A NICE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND WE'VE ALSO VERY SPECULATIVELY GONE OUT AND INVESTED.

WE INVESTED YEARS AGO, LIKE I SAID, WITH THE THE RIGHT OF WAY.

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AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WE'RE MAKING THE INVESTMENT NOW WITH THE SITE WORK.

SO YOU AND COUNCILMAN FOSTER, YOUR ECONOMIC IMPACT.

I BELIEVE THAT MADAM SHERMAN MAY HAVE SOME NUMBERS FOR YOU.

OKAY. I WAS ACTUALLY NOT THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT THE QUESTION, I GUESS, WHEN IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT FEES.

SO THE ROUGH CALCULATION ON THAT FOR THIS SIZE DEVELOPMENT IS THEY WILL PAY US OVER TIME ABOUT $3 MILLION IN TRAFFIC IMPACT FEES.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN PHIL OR GILBERTO? THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO JUST FOR DISCUSSION HERE.

I MADE THIS PROJECT THE FIRST TIME.

HOWEVER, THAT WAS BASICALLY BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS.

I FELT LIKE WE HAVE A HEALTHY CONVERSATION ON TRAFFIC.

I FEEL LIKE THE TRAFFIC LIGHT IS GOING TO BE PUT THERE FOR THOSE PEOPLE IN WEST PINE ESTATES AND THE PEOPLE OF THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT.

I DO LIKE THOSE. LET ME CLOSE.

GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKER CARDS.

I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND GO AHEAD.

COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO. YEAH. SO, YEAH, LIKE I WAS SAYING, I FEEL THAT THIS THE TRAFFIC LIGHT IS GOING TO BE BE PUT THERE FOR THE FOR THE PEOPLE THERE IN WEST PINE ESTATES, ALSO WITH FOR THE NEW RESIDENTS COMING IN.

I DO LIKE THE WETLAND PRESERVATION 55 AND UP I DO LIKE THE INGRESS AND EGRESS.

THIS IS THIS IS A GOOD DEVELOPMENT HERE SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS ORDINANCE.

2020 2-116118.

MY APOLOGIES. I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO SECOND, SECOND BY DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON.

ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION, GENTLEMEN? WHEN FELIX MAYOR.

I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO ADD, EXCEPT I WOULD SUPPORT IT.

I'M TOTALLY IN AGREEMENT WITH COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO.

IT IS A GREAT PROJECT BY ALL, EVERY ASPECT OF IT.

I TELL YOU WHAT, I DO HAVE A.

WE DO THINK WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH TRAFFIC IN THE CITY.

JUST SPENT THE LAST THREE DAYS IN D.C..

I CAN TELL YOU I COULDN'T AFFORD TO STAY IN DOWNTOWN D.C.

I STAYED SIX MILES OUT.

IT TOOK ME JUST ABOUT 40, 45 MINUTES TO DRIVE SIX MILES AT DOWNTOWN D.C..

I TRULY LEARNED TO HAVE A GREATER APPRECIATION FOR OUR CITY.

CERTAINLY WE ARE.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE HAVING IN-DEPTH DISCUSSION IN TERMS OF WE JUST DON'T WANT TO BE LIKE, YOU KNOW, DOWNTOWN D.C.

SO. BUT CERTAINLY, YEAH, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR ME IS TRAFFIC.

BUT I BELIEVE THIS IS EFFORTS THAT ARE BEING PUT FORTH TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES.

SO I WILL SUPPORT THIS THIS PROJECT.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN FELIX, AND THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOUR DC STORY.

YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU MENTIONED D.C., WHAT I THINK OF IS THE UNDERGROUND FOR THE CAPITOL WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO AND EXPERIENCE THE TRAFFIC.

RIGHT. SO I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON, ALL IN FAVOR, I AND HE OPPOSED THIS TIME IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

CONGRATULATIONS, MAN.

WE'RE ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

OR IS AS YOU WERE.

NO. NUMBER FOUR. NUMBER FOUR? YES. ORDINANCE 2020 TO DASH 120, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY RIVER COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE FISCAL YEAR 2022 BUDGET BY APPROPRIATING AND ALLOCATING FUNDS IDENTIFIED IN EXHIBIT A, CONSISTING OF FIVE PAGES AND INCORPORATED IN ITS ENTIRETY HEREIN.

RECOGNIZING THAT SUCH APPROPRIATIONS MUST BE MADE PURSUANT TO THE CODE OF ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

CHAPTER 35 ADOPTING, RATIFYING, CONFIRMING AND VALIDATING THE ALLOCATIONS PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU, MISS SMITH.

I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ITEM.

SURE. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THIS IS FINAL READING FOR THE FIFTH AND FINAL BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR THE PRIOR FISCAL YEAR.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL STAFF.

ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE. I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASKING FOR A MOTION SO MOVED SO I CAN GOT MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN FOSTER ALL IN FAVOR AND HE OPPOSED PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

WE'RE ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

MADAM SMITH.

IS 2020 2-1 16 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TITLE 17 LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, CHAPTER 183 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REGULATIONS SECTION ONE

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I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND ASK THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT THEIR CASE.

SURPRISE. IT'S ME AGAIN.

GOOD EVENING. I WASN'T SURE IF I SHOULD HAVE, LIKE, JAZZ HANDS OR DO SOMETHING TO SPICE IT UP, BUT.

A SAUNDERS WITH BFC CONSULTANTS.

THANK YOU AGAIN. JUST TAKE A STEP BACK.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE ABILITY TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION ON THAT LAST ITEM.

I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, THIS IS CALLED PALM VISTA, EVELYN'S WEST.

THIS IS THE PROPERTY ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PARKWAY, DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM MEDLEY.

WE'RE HERE TO REQUEST A FUTURE LAND USE REVISION.

IT CURRENTLY HAS A COUPLE SORT OF A CHECKERED CHECKERBOARD APPEARANCE OF A MYRIAD OF USES BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY, OPEN SPACE, RECREATIONAL, AND THERE'S ACTUALLY A LITTLE REMNANT PIECE OF COMMERCIAL ON THERE AS WELL.

AND WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING TO REQUEST MODIFICATION OF THAT TO A STRAIGHT MULTIFAMILY USE OF FLORIDA FUTURE LAND USE.

THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT IT WOULD ALLOW US TO ALLOW US THE FLEXIBILITY TO ADJUST SOME OF THE DIFFERENT UNIT TYPES WITHIN THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WILL COME BEFORE YOU IN A FUTURE DATE.

THAT WAY, WE DON'T HAVE TO WASTE YOUR TIME AT ANOTHER MEETING CHANGING, YOU KNOW, SIX OR SEVEN ACRES HERE OR THERE TO MAKE MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT.

THE PROJECT IS JUST OVER.

IT'S RIGHT AROUND 1200 ACRES IN SIZE.

AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

ANY QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS. I HAVE A QUESTION.

SURE. SO 1198 ACRES? YES, SIR. AND YOU WANT TO TAKE AWAY 27 ACRES OF MY COMMERCIAL.

SO IT'S NOT MINE.

BUT COMMERCIAL'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO TO COUNSEL.

TECHNICALLY SPEAKING, YES.

THE REASON FOR THAT, THIS PARTICULAR SECTION OF COMMERCIAL ACTUALLY FALLS JUST BEHIND.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP AND YOU SEE THE HARD SORT OF YELLOW LINE WHERE YOU ACTUALLY HAVE THAT RECTANGULAR AREA ADJACENT TO THE PARKWAY THAT WAS PART OF THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THAT I CAME TO YOU A FEW MONTHS AGO, AND WE GOT REZONE TO COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL FOR ZONING TO PROVIDE THE CORRECT ZONING, THE REMNANT PIECE, THAT SORT OF RED AREA THAT YOU SEE UNDERNEATH THE YELLOW DIAGONAL HATCHING THAT COMMERCIAL AREA ACTUALLY FALLS ACROSS.

THANK YOU, SIR. ACTUALLY FALLS OVER SOME WETLAND AREAS.

AND THE PIECE BETWEEN THE WETLAND AND THE BACK SIDE OF THAT EXISTING COMMERCIAL ZONED PROPERTY IS, I'LL SAY, INSIGNIFICANT AND SMALL.

SO IN COMING TO STAFF, OUR INITIAL APPLICATION TO YOU ACTUALLY KEPT THAT COMMERCIAL LAND USE IN PLACE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION.

QUITE FRANKLY, WE HAVE NO INTENT OF DEVELOPING IT THAT WAY BECAUSE WE SIMPLY CAN'T.

THERE'S NO WAY TO DO IT WITH THE WETLAND ON IT AND THE ACTUAL EXTENSION OF EMERSON ROAD COMING ALONG THE EDGE OF IT.

SO WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FROM A I'LL CALL IT A LAND INVENTORY USE PERSPECTIVE, THAT THEY THEIR PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO ELIMINATE THAT PORTION OF COMMERCIAL BECAUSE IT WOULD, I WANT TO SAY, UPSET THE BOOKS, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE AN ACCURATE REPRESENTATION OF THE COMMERCIAL THAT YOU ACTUALLY HAVE WITHIN THE CITY.

AND IF THAT ISN'T A SPECIFIC ENOUGH EXPLANATION, MAYBE MISS BARNARD CAN HELP OUT WITH THAT.

FOR ME. AND I KNOW THAT I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO YOU KNOW, THIS IS HOW I SEE THIS AND WE CAN DISCUSS IT WITH WITH COUNCIL, BUT THIS IS HOW I SEE IT.

BRIAN, CAN YOU SHOW THAT PICTURE? OKAY. YOU SEE THE THE TOP, RIGHT? THE RECTANGLE. THAT'S THE 1198 ACRES.

RIGHT. THAT'S A PORTION OF IT.

IT ACTUALLY EXTENDS FURTHER SOUTH.

OKAY. IT GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE CANAL.

YEP. SO IT GOES ALL THE WAY THERE? YES, SIR. OKAY.

SO THAT TO ME IS LIKE A BLANK CANVAS.

AND YOU COULD DESIGN HOW YOU WANT THERE.

BUT NOW YOU WANT TO DESIGN TO ELIMINATE THE 27 ACRES.

YOU COULD. YOU COULD ACTUALLY FLIP FLOP THAT AND.

AND LEAVE THE 27 ACRES, IN MY VIEW.

IN MY VIEW, YOU COULD LEAVE THOSE 27 ACRES AND KEEP THEM COMMERCIAL.

THAT'S HOW I SEE THIS.

BUT YOU'RE CHOOSING TO TAKE THAT FOR WHATEVER REASON.

SURE. RIGHT. YOU COULD TELL ME WETLANDS.

YOU COULD REDIRECT IT IF YOU ASKED ME.

OR YOU COULD MITIGATE THE WETLANDS.

THAT'S HOW I SEE IT.

I JUST DON'T WANT TO DISTURB THE 27 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL.

AND I THINK I'VE.

EVERYONE ON COUNCIL HERE HAS.

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I BELIEVE, IN CREATING PROSPERITY FOR OUR CITIZENS.

AND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF ACREAGE HERE.

OUT OF THE 198 ACRES.

PLEASE LEAVE THOSE 27 ACRES ALONE.

AND THAT'S THAT'S HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT.

SO THAT WAS OUR INITIAL THAT'S HOW WE INITIALLY CAME IN WITH THE APPLICATION, BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT WAS GOING TO BE THE SENTIMENT IN THE FEELING.

THE ISSUE IS WE CAN LEAVE THAT AS A COMMERCIAL LAND USE, BUT IT'S NEVER GOING TO BE DEVELOPED AS SUCH BECAUSE THE WETLAND IS LITERALLY IN THE HEART OF THAT PARTICULAR COMMERCIAL AREA. MITIGATED.

I WOULD TELL YOU IF I WAS IN THE COUNTY KNOW HERE POTENTIALLY, BUT WETLAND MITIGATION IS EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE AND I'M NOT SURE WHO WOULD COME IN AND WANT TO DEVELOP THAT AND MITIGATE THAT WETLAND AND EFFORT TO PUT IN MORE COMMERCIAL SPACE.

I JUST CAN'T.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MA'AM.

YES, SIR. THANK YOU. AGAIN, STAFFS RECOMMENDATION IS WHAT WE'RE FOLLOWING.

YES, SIR. WELL, I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT.

I UNDERSTAND. YES, SIR.

I DON'T AGREE WITH STUFF ON THAT EITHER.

YEAH, I WAS JUST GOING TO JUMP IN BECAUSE I KNEW I KNEW WHY THE SWITCH UP ON COMMERCIAL FOR THIS.

AND THIS IS ALSO IT'S A DIFFERENT PROJECT, BUT EMERALD LAKES, THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY THEY HAD SOME ISSUES, BECAUSE THEY HAVE WETLANDS ALL THROUGHOUT THEIR PROJECT, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T DEVELOP ON IT.

YOU JUST CAN'T.

SO I UNDERSTAND THE REASON FOR I UNDERSTAND WHERE THE MAYOR IS COMING FROM.

WHAT I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO SEE IS, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN REZONE ANOTHER PORTION COMMERCIAL OF THE PROJECT, YOU KNOW, THAT AREA, I UNDERSTAND, HAS TO BE REZONE IN REGARDS TO STORMWATER AND PRESERVING, BUT ANOTHER PORTION.

BUT IN REGARDS TO REZONING THIS AREA, IT NEEDS TO BE DONE BECAUSE IT WILL NOT BE DEVELOPED AS IT IS.

SO I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM WITH THAT.

THANK YOU. THE OTHER THE OTHER COMPONENT OF THAT IS THERE ARE 60 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL AT THAT AT THOSE INTERSECTIONS, IF YOU WILL, A COMBINED TOTAL.

AND THAT WETLAND AREA DIRECTLY BEHIND IT DOES PROVIDE A NICE BUFFER IN ADDITION TO AN ECOLOGICAL BENEFIT WITH THE DRAINAGE AND SO ON.

BUT A NICE TRANSITION POINT FROM THE COMMERCIAL INTO THE RESIDENTIAL AS YOU DRIVE ACROSS THE INTERSECTION OF EMERSON AND CONTINUE TO BE A PUBLIC THOROUGHFARE ALONG THE COMMERCIAL ENTITY, AND THEN IT WOULD, IT WOULD TRANSITION TO A PRIVATE ROADWAY.

AGAIN, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT REALLY ISN'T UNFORTUNATELY UP FOR DISCUSSION, BUT IT HELPS KIND OF AID IN THIS CONVERSATION, I BELIEVE.

SO I'M HAPPY THAT WE HAVE THIS EXHIBIT.

THERE'S AN EXTENSIVE NETWORK OF PEDESTRIAN ACCESS PLANNED SO THAT THEY CAN ACCESS THESE COMMERCIAL PARCELS, WHETHER IT BE BY FOOT, BICYCLE, GOLF CART, ETC., WITH AGAIN, WITHOUT HAVING TO GET ON ANY OF THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARES.

SO, MAYOR, I 100% UNDERSTAND AND RESPECT YOUR OPINION AND IF NOTHING ELSE, EXTREMELY CONSISTENT IN YOUR IN YOUR BELIEF SYSTEM ON THIS COMMERCIAL.

WE JUST RESPECTFULLY OR ANY OTHER QUESTION THAT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION. GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN.

SPEAKING OF COMMERCIAL.

A LITTLE SQUARE UNDERNEATH THE BIG ONE.

YES, SIR. IS THAT COMMERCIAL? YES, SIR. IS THAT YOUR PROPERTY? IT IS NOT. NOT YOUR PROPERTY.

YOU KNOW THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.

HOW MANY ACRES THAT I BY MEMORY.

I'M GOING TO TELL YOU. I THINK THAT'S A FOUR ACRE PARCEL.

AND I THINK THE PIECE TO THE NORTH IS ANYWHERE FROM 12 TO 17 ACRES.

BUT I'D BE PROBABLY WITHIN 10% OF BEING ACCURATE ON THOSE.

SO. THE PART THAT IS YOURS BELONG TO YOU.

IT'S WETLANDS.

YES, SIR. AND YOU CAN'T BUILD NOTHING ON THAT, RIGHT? NOT UNLESS WE PERMIT IT AND MITIGATE FOR IT, SIR.

YOU JUST SAID THAT COST TOO MUCH.

IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE.

ARE YOU PLANNING TO DO THAT OR.

NO, WE'RE NOT. WE'RE PLANNING TO PRESERVE IT.

SO THE WHAT? THE MAN CAN'T GIVE ME A CONTROLLER.

I JUST TURNED IT OFF. WHAT I DID.

THERE IT GOES. SO I GOT EXCITED.

SO THIS GREEN KIND OF HATCHED.

YOU SEE THE LETTER F WITH THE PINK ON IT? JUST TO THE RIGHT OF THAT.

AND WHERE THE LITTLE ARROW IS SHOWING UP.

THAT'S THE WETLAND AREA THAT'S TO BE PRESERVED.

THE COMMERCIAL LAND USE CURRENTLY COMES OVER AND BLANKETS THAT WETLAND AND DOWN ALONG THE EDGE OF THIS ROADWAY.

SO THAT ROADWAY LEADING RIGHT INTO EMERSON.

THAT LITTLE SQUARE BOX IS NOT YOUR LAND.

THE EMERSON ROADWAY IS.

BUT THIS PARCEL HERE THAT IS NOT OURS, NOR IS THIS PIECE TO THE SOUTH.

NEITHER OF THOSE ARE OUR PROPERTIES.

OKAY, BUT THAT LITTLE SQUARE IS A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.

IT IS A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, BUT IT IS NOT OURS.

MAYBE AN EASIER WAY TO EXPLAIN IT IS ANYTHING WITH THE AERIAL BACKGROUND IN THAT ON THIS PARTICULAR SIDE OF THE MAP IS NOT OUR OWNERSHIP.

SO THIS POTENTIAL, WHOEVER OWNED THAT COMMERCIAL PROPERTY CAN BUILD SOMETHING COMMERCIAL? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. YES, SIR.

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BUT AS FAR AS THE WETLAND, IS IT IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO KEEP THAT WETLAND AS FAR AS DRAINAGE IN THIS PARTICULAR CIRCUMSTANCE? I WOULD SAY YES, SIR.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

SORRY. ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO, THANK YOU.

I THINK YOU BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT, AND I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR MS..

SANDERS. YOU SEE, YOU SEE THE AREA G OVER THERE JUST TO THE WEST OF G, I'M PROBABLY SEEING ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW, TEN TOWNHOMES.

I'M GOING TO CALL THEM TO GET THE MAYOR'S VOTE HERE.

WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO PUT THOSE TEN TOWNHOMES UP FOR COMMERCIAL? IT'S SO I WOULD SAY EMBEDDING A COMMERCIAL, A PUBLIC COMMERCIAL PROPERTY WITHIN A PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE CHALLENGING AT BEST BECAUSE IT WOULD BACK UP TO THAT ALREADY EXISTING COMMERCIAL PARCEL THAT YOU DON'T ALREADY THAT YOU DON'T OWN.

WE ESTABLISH THAT. SO THAT'S JUST THE REASON WHY I WAS ASKING.

OH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE RIGHT HERE, I THOUGHT TO THE I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT YOU WERE SPEAKING ABOUT THIS AREA, THE ONE THAT'S JUST JUST WEST OF BACK HERE.

THIS LITTLE FINGER. YEAH, OF THAT LITTLE TINY SQUARE.

YOU HAVE TO DO IT ON THE MIC.

SO IF YOU DON'T IF YOU DON'T MIND, COME TO THE MIKE AND HE'LL HE'LL SHOW THE.

I CAN USE IT. SHE'S GOT THE POINTER THERE.

THANK YOU. I WILL MESS IT UP TOO.

SO. IF I MAY.

AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY WE SPEND IN YOUR NAME, PLEASE, SIR.

MY NAME IS GREG PETTIBONE.

I'M WITH LENORE HOMES.

THANK YOU. THIS IS A POINT THAT WE SPOKE AT LENGTH WITH STAFF ON.

SO, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, ANOTHER BIG PORTION OF THAT COMMERCIAL LAND USE IS ACTUALLY THE EXTENSION OF THE EMERSON RIGHT AWAY.

SO THE BULK OF THAT COMMERCIAL IS IS ENCOMPASSED BY THAT WETLAND AND ALSO VIA THE EMERSON RIGHT AWAY AS IT EXTENDS TO THE WEST.

AND THEN WHAT'S NOT APPARENT, BECAUSE THIS IS AN OLDER IMAGE IS WE REMOVED THIS SECTION OF RESIDENTIAL FROM THAT AND THEN WE RECONFIGURED THIS AREA.

BASED ON OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF AND ALSO WE INCLUDED A PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION TO THIS PROPERTY, JUST SO MAKING THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE VIABLE SO THAT HOMEOWNERS WOULDN'T HAVE TO WALK OUT AND DOWN THE ROADWAY JUST TO ENHANCE THIS AS A AS A ACTUAL VIABLE PIECE OF COMMERCIAL.

SO BUT OUR ACTUAL SECTION OF COMMERCIAL HERE IS IS KIND OF AN ODD, AWKWARD LITTLE ELEMENT THAT'S CHEWED UP IN THE WETLANDS AND THEN ALSO WITH THE EXTENSION OF THE RIGHT OF WAY.

SO IT'S STILL ZONED COMMERCIAL.

THAT'S THAT'S THE ISSUE HERE.

AND YOU COULD HAVE YOU COULD HAVE REDIRECTED THE WETLANDS TO THE TOP LEFT SOMEHOW OR SOME SOMEHOW IT'S STILL ZONED COMMERCIAL. THAT'S MY ISSUE.

MY ISSUE WAS A BLANK CANVAS AND AND WE'RE REDIRECTING IT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, IT IS WHAT IT IS.

SIR, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.

WELL, AS I SAY, IT'S THE LAND USE IS COMMERCIAL.

SO IT'S NOT THE ZONING AND IT'S THE LAND USE IS COMMERCIAL, BUT IT'S ON TOP OF AN EXISTING WETLAND.

SO I CAN'T CHANGE THE LOCATION OF THE WETLAND.

THE COMMERCIAL LAND USE IS ON TOP OF IT TODAY, MEANING I CAN'T DEVELOP IT.

SO IT WAS STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO ELIMINATE THAT SMALL PORTION OF THE COMMERCIAL FROM THE LAND USE BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T BE AN ACCURATE DESCRIPTION OR PORTRAYAL OF WHAT CITY STAFF HAS FROM AN ASSET PERSPECTIVE.

STAFF COULD HAVE ALSO SAID MITIGATE IT.

RIGHT. THAT'S THAT'S THAT COULD HAVE ALSO SAID MITIGATE IF YOU KNOW I THINK THAT'S.

ST JOHN'S THAT AREA THERE IS GOING TO BE A BIG COMMERCIAL THAT'S HOW I SEE IT.

THAT SHOULD BE COMMERCIAL THAT THAT'S ALL.

MAYOR ALL RIGHT, SO THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

IS THIS OUR LAST KIND OF PIECE OF PARCEL TO DEVELOP BEFORE WE'RE DONE WITH HERITAGE PARKWAY WHEN IT COMES TO REZONING AND STUFF? IS THIS THE LAST ONE? THIS IS ONE ONE OF THE LAST BIG ONES YOU'RE GOING TO SEE.

YES. OR. RIGHT. SO PRESERVING THE COMMERCIAL HERE AS THE MAYOR SAYING, I SEE WHAT HE WHERE HE'S COMING FROM.

SO I'M GOING TO BACK THE MAYOR ON THIS.

BUT I DO WANT TO HIGHLIGHT SOME THINGS THAT YOU HAVE, AND THAT'S THE WETLANDS TO OPEN GREEN SPACE.

SO YOU HAVE 100 ACRES HERE AND 348 ACRES ARE WETLANDS WHICH ARE CAN PRESERVE.

AND THEN YOU'RE OPEN AND GREEN SPACE IS 376 ACRES, WHICH YOU'RE GOING TO PRESERVE.

SO THAT'S 60% OF THE PROPERTY WHICH YOU'RE GOING TO PRESERVE FOR OPEN SPACE AND WETLANDS.

YES, SIR. I WANTED TO COMMEND YOU ON THAT.

I DIDN'T OVERLOOK THAT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. THE COMMERCIAL THING HERE THAT THAT COUNCIL HAS BEEN TRYING TO GO FOR.

SO I HAVE TO STICK WITH WITH THE COUNCIL DECISION ON THAT.

BUT I DID WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR DOING IT.

I APPRECIATE THAT. SO I MEAN, THE OTHER OPTION, I GUESS FOR US, IF COUNCIL'S WE CAN KEEP THE COMMERCIAL LAND USE AS IS AND NOT CHANGE IT AND CARVE THAT PIECE OUT AND GIVE IT TO YOU, I JUST AS I STAND HERE TODAY, I WAS LETTING YOU KNOW IT WILL NOT BE DEVELOPED AS COMMERCIAL LAND, BUT WE CAN KEEP THE

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SHERMAN, AS WE'VE WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT IT.

I JUST THINK THE CLEANER WAY OF DOING THAT IS SORT OF THE BLANK SLATE AND HAVING EVERYTHING BE IN THE SAME CATEGORY, WHICH IS THE MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL LAND USE.

I'LL TAKE IT. I'LL TAKE THE COMMERCIAL DEPUTY MIX.

YEAH, YEAH. I WOULD LIKE TO STAFF'S BEEN MENTIONED MULTIPLE TIMES, SO I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM STAFF ON THIS AND IF THEY CAN PROVIDE A BRIEF OVERVIEW ON WETLANDS AND HOW, HOW, HOW THEY COME INTO PLAY IN REGARDS TO FLORIDA STATUTE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SO. FOR WHOEVER WANTS TO JUMP IN ON IT.

WE'LL START WITH ALEX BERNARD, OUR GROWTH MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR, I MAY ADD, BUT START WITH HER.

GOOD EVENING. ALEX BERNARD, GIRTH MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR.

HONEST, CORRECT. WE DID HAVE SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE WAS THIS PIECE OF COMMERCIAL THERE AND THAT IT WAS WETLANDS.

AND WETLANDS ARE CHALLENGING TO MITIGATE.

AND SO WHEN WE LOOK AT AN OVERALL PICTURE OF.

OF DEVELOPMENT AND LAND INVENTORY.

SO WHEN WE TRY TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF OF THE LAND INVENTORY, WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE IN THE BEST INTEREST TO HAVE AN ACCURATE PORTRAYAL OF THAT AREA, WHICH WOULD NOT BE COMMERCIAL. GOOD.

LET ME LET ME SAY THIS.

LET'S SAY. WE KEEP THE PROJECT LIKE IT IS AND KEEP THE COMMERCIAL.

AND. SO MINE COMES ALONG FOUR YEARS FROM NOW AND WANT TO MITIGATE THAT.

SPEND THEIR OWN DOLLAR.

AND MAKE IT COMMERCIAL.

THEN WHAT WOULD HAPPEN? COULD THEY DO IT? BECAUSE. WELL, IT DEPENDS ON THE MITIGATION PROCESS AT THAT TIME AND WHAT THE STATUTES SAY.

SO ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE IN THE FUTURE.

I MEAN, WE CAN'T SPEAK TO WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS, BUT WE CAN JUST TRY AND DO THE BEST WE CAN TODAY.

BUT IS IT POSSIBLE IT COULD BE MITIGATED IN A COMMERCIAL, BE DEVELOPED COMMERCIAL? YES. IF THEY LEAVE IT THE PROJECT THE WAY IT IS, WOULD IT IMPACT THIS? THESE PEOPLE WOULD HAVE IMPACT THEIR PROJECT.

IF THAT GETS DEVELOPED COMMERCIAL AND THE WETLANDS GET MITIGATED, WOULD IT CAUSE PROBLEMS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AS FAR AS THE.

THE QUALITY OF LIVING IN THAT AREA IS GOING TO.

WELL, I MEAN, WETLANDS IMPACT, RIGHT? WETLANDS CAN BE MITIGATED.

THERE IS A THERE IS AN EXTREME COST TO IT, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS QUALITY OF LIFE, I MEAN.

WELL, YOU KNOW, WHAT I'M SAYING IS, YOU KNOW.

STORM WATER, FLOODING, I MEAN.

WELL, BY MITIGATING THAT WETLANDS, WOULD THAT CAUSE A PROBLEM IF A HEAVY RAIN STORM OR A HURRICANE COME THROUGH? THEY WOULD THEY WOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW ALL OF THE SAME RULES AS FIRST SAINT JOHN'S PERMIT AND AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY GET ALL OF THEIR STATE REGULATORY PERMITS.

SO YOU'VE GOT TO GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS.

AND THE STATE COULD DECIDE WHATEVER THEY WANT TO.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILMAN FELIX? MAYOR. THANK YOU.

I DON'T HAVE A QUESTIONS SO MUCH.

BUT I'D LIKE TO SAY I AM IN FULL SUPPORT OF OF STAFF WITH THIS ONE HAVING AN IDEA OF WHAT IT COSTS TO MITIGATE WETLAND.

IF YOU MAY BE ABLE TO CORRECT ME, I THINK THE AVERAGE SPOT OVER 55,000 PER HALF OF AN ACRE AND IT'S QUITE OF A HIGHER RIGHT, 200,000. SO SO I'M WAY OFF.

BUT LAST I LOOKED AT IT, IT'S BEEN IT'S BEEN A WHILE, BUT I KNOW IT'S QUITE A PROCESS.

IT'S QUITE A PROCESS.

AND WHAT IS IT TO US TO KEEP IT INSTEAD OF RECOMMENDING THAT TO, TO GO TO FOR PROPER, ACCURATE REFLECTION OF OUR INVENTORY.

I'M NOT QUITE SURE.

27 ACRE.

WHY? WHY ARE WE HAVING SUCH A LENGTHY DISCUSSION? I'M IN FULL SUPPORT OF STAFF AND SAY, LET'S CALL ALL THE QUESTIONS.

WE'RE A LITTLE BIT IN ADVANCE.

FIRST OF ALL, IN THE FUTURE, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW WHEN ALL THOSE HEADS ARE THERE.

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BUT AT THIS POINT, I WANT TO ASK IF THERE'S ANYONE IN THE.

AND THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK FOR AGAINST THIS ITEM.

PLEASE STEP FORWARD. OH, ABOUT.

BATON 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST.

ONE MORE TIME COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REVISIONS.

AND THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT REPEATEDLY.

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN PEOPLE LOOK AT A MAP AND THEY DRAW STRAIGHT LINES AND SAY, WELL, THIS IS GOING TO BE FOR THIS AND THIS IS GOING TO BE FOR THAT.

WHEN YOU MAKE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT SAYS, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OUR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IN THE WETLANDS.

WHAT WAS, YOU KNOW. IT'S JUST BAD PLANNING FROM THE GET GO.

THAT'S WHY I'M WAITING SO HARD TO SEE THE NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

AND THAT'S WHY I WANT TO SEE HOW SOME OF THESE CHANGES ARE WHEN THEY DO THESE LAYOUTS, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE LAND THAT WAS ACTUALLY AVAILABLE FOR COMMERCIAL YET.

WE'RE SAYING WE WANT COMMERCIAL.

WE'RE GOING TO BE PRETTY MUCH IN THE SAME BOAT WE ARE RIGHT NOW.

ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER TWO.

TURN LANES SHOULD BE LONGER THAN IS REQUESTED TO ELIMINATE OR HELP IMMEDIATE BACKUPS ON A SINGLE LANE ROAD.

THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT.

NOW. I KNOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, BUT WE AREN'T GOING TO SEE THAT ROAD EXPANDED RIGHT AWAY.

BUT IF WE CAN AT LEAST HAVE THE TURN LANES, WE CAN GET A COUPLE OF MORE VEHICLES OFF THE ROAD QUICKER FOR A LONGER TERM.

RIGHT. IT'S JUST JUST EXTENDING THAT TURN LANE BECAUSE IT WILL EVENTUALLY BE PAVED.

BUT ANYHOW, WHEN WE DO WIDEN THE ROAD, RIGHT.

ITEM NUMBER THREE FAIR SHARE SHOULD ALSO BE INCORPORATED TOWARDS POLICE AND FIRE.

THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE ON THIS DEVELOPER.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL NEEDS TO BE LOOKING AT.

HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO THIS? NOW WE'VE GOT THE 3% CAP THAT ENDED UP STAYING, SO NOW WE HAVE TO START FINDING MECHANISMS. SO IT'S GOING TO HELP FUND POLICE AND FIRE.

AND SO.

FAIR SHARE MIGHT BE A WAY TO START LOOKING AT THAT IN THE FUTURE.

NOW, JUST FOR JUST FOR THE FUN, WHEN I SAY GO BACK AND.

LOOK AT THE SOME OF MY COMMENTS FROM 2019 OR SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT YOU'RE NOW ADDRESSING OR THE EXACT SAME ITEMS I BROUGHT UP THEN. AND I WAS LOOKED AT LIKE I HAD TWO HEADS WHEN I WAS QUESTIONING THE ROAD EXPANSION ON ST JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY AT THAT TIME, JUST JUST A LITTLE BIT BACK OF GO BACK AND LOOK AT HISTORY OR IT SEEMS TO BE REPEATING OURSELVES.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE WISH TO COME AND SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? PLEASE STEP FORWARD. REBECCA HEIDENREICH 1132.

MARIPOSA DRIVE NORTHEAST.

THE TREE HUGGER IS BACK.

ON BEHALF OF THE WETLANDS.

NOW, I AM NOT A CONSTRUCTION PERSON AT ALL, BUT I DO HAVE A SCIENCE DEGREE AND I KNOW WHAT A WETLAND DOES AND THE BENEFIT FOR THE ENVIRONMENT.

AND I KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN EVEN IF YOU DO MITIGATE IT PROPERLY ACCORDING TO STATE LAWS SOMETIMES.

SOMETIMES NATURE FINDS A WAY.

SOMETIMES THAT WETLAND KIND OF REVERTS A LITTLE BIT BACK TO A WETLAND.

I HAVE SEVERAL FRIENDS WHO HAVE HOUSES THAT WERE NEARLY UNDERWATER RECENTLY WITH THE HURRICANES IN PALM BAY.

THEY LIVE CLOSER TO THE LAGOON, PLACES THAT WERE FILLED IN UNDER PERMITS, AND THEN THEIR YARDS HAD A FOOT OF WATER IN THEM LEAKING INTO THEIR LAUNDRY ROOMS. AND I LIVE IN A HIGHLAND AREA IN PALM BAY, AND MY YARD DRAINS WONDERFULLY.

AND I WAS LIKE, OH, NO FLOODING AT ALL.

AND THEN I LOOK ON MY FRIEND'S FACEBOOK PAGES TO SEE THEM SANDBAGGING THEIR HOUSES BECAUSE THEY HAD WATER POURING INTO THEIR HOMES.

AND I THOROUGHLY RESPECT YOUR DESIRE FOR IT TO BE A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.

AND I THINK THAT IT'S AN AMAZING GOAL.

BUT I THINK THAT IN SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WHERE IT IS ONLY JUST 27 ACRES, WHICH I KNOW IT IS A LARGE PIECE OF PROPERTY, BUT IT'S ALSO SMALL IN THE GRAND SCALE.

I THINK IT NEEDS TO STAY THE WETLANDS BECAUSE OF NOT JUST THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, BUT LET'S SAY ANOTHER CAT FIVE LIKE IRMA COMES BY AND JUMPS, YOU KNOW, FEET OF RAIN ON US.

THAT COMMERCIAL PROPERTY COULD BE REALLY DAMAGED JUST BECAUSE UNDERNEATH OF ALL OF THOSE LAYERS OF WETLANDS, THERE IS NOT A STABLE BASE TO BUILD ALL OF THAT STUFF ON. EVEN WHEN YOU DUMP A TON OF CONCRETE IN THERE AND IT'S JUST WORTH CONSIDERING, AGAIN, LONG TERM GOALS, LIKE IS IT REALLY A GOOD IDEA TO DO THAT WISDOM VERSUS HASTE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE WISH TO COME AND SPEAK FOR AGAINST THIS ITEM? ANY CLOSING ARGUMENTS, MA'AM? I'M NOT TRYING TO BELABOR THE POINT, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ALSO CLEAR, IN ADDITION TO THE WETLAND BEING IN, YOU KNOW, TAKING UP A MAJORITY OF THAT AREA.

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SO EMERSON, FROM FROM THE PARKWAY AS IT EXTENDS WEST, IS IS ALSO IN THAT COMMERCIAL LAND USE CATEGORY.

IT IS GOING TO BE CONVERTED OVER TO A PUBLIC ROAD RIGHT OF WAY.

SO IT'S NOT A TRUE USABLE 27 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL, IF YOU WILL.

AND AGAIN, WE'VE GOT A LARGE WETLAND SITTING SMACK DAB IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.

TO. REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL, APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE CONVERSATION AND DIALOG.

AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO ASK.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASKING FOR A MOTION SO MOVED AND A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON.

SECOND SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN FELIX.

DEPUTY MAYOR. NOTHING MUCH TO ADD, MAYOR.

BUT REGARDING THE WETLANDS, I DON'T THINK IT'S A BIG ASK.

I THINK WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IS SOMETHING SUSTAINABLE.

WE TALK ABOUT LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT.

THIS IS A CASE OF THAT RIGHT HERE.

I SEE. SO IN THE GRAND SCHEME, YES, WE WANT A LOT OF COMMERCIAL, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT. I THINK THIS IS A CASE WHERE WE ARE DOING THAT.

SO SO THAT'S WHY WE'LL BE SUPPORTING THIS PROJECT.

SIR. THANK YOU.

COUNCILMAN FELIX, NOTHING TO ADD.

OKAY, SO THIS IS WHERE I'M AT OUT OF 198 ACRES, 27 OF THEM.

AND THAT'S ALL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

1198 ACRES.

YOU COULD YOU COULD SWAP, LIKE FILIBERTO SAID, BUT I'M CALLING THE QUESTION.

GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN FELIX.

ALL IN FAVOR.

I ALL OPPOSE NAY PASSES 3 TO 2.

ITEM NUMBER SIX.

DID YOU NEED A ROLL CALL ON THAT? NO, SIR. AS FOR.

YES, MA'AM. GO AHEAD.

OH, I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WERE WAITING FOR ME.

YES. AS ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, IS IT? YES. WE'RE GOING TO BE ON ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.

ITEM NUMBER SIX IS LISTED ON THE AGENDA, BUT WE CAN'T ACTUALLY HEAR THAT TODAY UNTIL WE GET THE.

YES. THE LARGER SCALE COMES BACK.

COPY THAT. AS AS YOU WERE ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.

I'M SORRY, MAYOR. WE COULD GO BACK TO ITEM NUMBER SIX.

WE DO NEED TO CONTINUE THAT TO A DATE CERTAIN.

AND THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED FEBRUARY 2ND, 2023.

OKAY. SO I NEED A MOTION TO FOR DATE CERTAIN OF FEBRUARY 2023.

WHAT DATE IN FEBRUARY? FEBRUARY 2ND.

I NEED EMOTION, GENTLEMEN.

SO MOVED. I GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON.

YOU GOT A SECOND BITE, COUNCILMAN FOSTER.

ALL IN FAVOR? PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, ORDINANCE 2022, DASH 114, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY RIVERA COUNTY, FLORIDA, ESTABLISHING THE MALABAR SPRINGS COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 190 FLORIDA STATUTES.

PROVIDING FOR NAMING THE INITIAL MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF THE DISTRICT, ESTABLISHING THE NAME OF THE DISTRICT, DESIGNATING THE PURPOSE OF THE DISTRICT, DESIGNATING THE POWERS AND SPECIAL POWERS OF THE DISTRICT, PROVIDING FOR A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE.

PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT THEIR CASE.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JARRETT EARLY WINE.

I'M WITH KATY LAW GROUP 138 EAST BLOOMINGDALE AVENUE HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.

I WAS HERE IN MARCH ON THE CYPRESS BAY WEST.

PETITION AND I KNOW YOU ALL ARE PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH KIDS.

THIS IS A CRITICAL PART OF OUR DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND OBVIOUSLY THIS IS THE SAME ITEM THAT WAS APPROVED OR THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF WAS APPROVED AS ITEM TWO TONIGHT.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL HAVE.

I'M HAPPY TO ENGAGE IN SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT THE PROS AND CONS OF KIDS.

I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE SEVERAL OF THOSE, AND I KNOW WE'VE BEEN HERE A WHILE, SO I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO ENGAGE IN A DISCUSSION THAT YOU ALL DON'T WANT TO HAVE, BUT I AM HERE TO AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS IF YOU'D LIKE.

AND I'M HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT THE BENEFITS OF THE CD AND WHAT IT WOULD BRING TO THE PROJECT.

KELSEY, YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO THANK YOU.

WHY A CD OVER A HOA? YEAH, SURE. SO? SO OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE SIX ELEMENTS WE NEED TO SHOW FOR A CD TO BE THE APPROPRIATE MEANS FOR

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AND A PROJECT LIKE THIS WHERE YOU HAVE $43 MILLION OF PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE, SOME OF WHICH IS.

ROAD WIDENING AND OTHER IMPROVEMENTS ON MALABAR ROAD.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS A NO BRAINER FROM A CD VERSUS HOA PERSPECTIVE.

THE CD CAN JUST DO A LOT MORE THINGS.

I THINK OF IT AS SORT OF HAVING THREE BUCKETS OF BENEFITS, THE FIRST OF WHICH IS FINANCIAL BENEFITS, RIGHT? WHEN YOU HAVE A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, IT CAN GO OUT AND ISSUE TAXES AND BONDS.

IT'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO PUT MORE MONEY INTO THE PROJECT BECAUSE THE MONEY COST LESS.

RIGHT. AND AT A TIME WHEN YOU HAVE INFLATION, YOU'VE GOT SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES, YOU'VE GOT ALL THE COSTS THAT GO INTO THE PROJECT COST A LOT MORE. THIS IS CRITICAL TO MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE ABLE TO DELIVER A HIGH QUALITY PROJECT AND ALSO WITH COMPETITIVE HOME PRICING.

SO IT'S REALLY HELPFUL IN THAT REGARD.

NOT ONLY DOES IT SAVE MONEY ON THE FRONT END FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED IN THE PROJECT, INCLUDING THE HOME BUYER, BUT ONCE THE HOMEOWNERS TAKE OVER THE CD, THEY'LL BE ON THAT SAME BOARD, RIGHT? JUST LIKE THEY WOULD TAKE OVER A HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION, THEY TAKE OVER THE CD BOARD AND THEY'LL BE ABLE TO ACCESS THAT SAME TAXES AND BOND MARKET.

AND THEY WANT TO REFURBISH THEIR STORMWATER PONDS OR THE ROADS OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT THEY'RE DOING.

THEY CAN GO OUT AND TAKE OUT ANOTHER TAX AND BOND AND SPREAD THOSE COSTS OVER TIME AND ALSO ACCESS THOSE TAX EXEMPT BOND RATES SO IT SAVES MONEY IN THE FUTURE FOR RESIDENTS AS WELL. SO THAT'S THE FINANCIAL BENEFITS.

BUT ALSO COMPARED TO A HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION, A CD IS JUST A MUCH BETTER OPERATION MAINTENANCE ENTITY.

AND WE'VE GOT $43 MILLION OF PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE TO TAKE CARE OF.

OBVIOUSLY, SOME OF THE LIKE THE UTILITIES AND THINGS WILL BE TURNED OVER TO YOU ALL AS THE CITY UPON YOUR NORMAL PERMITTING PROCESS.

BUT A LOT OF THAT WILL BE MANAGED BY THE COMMUNITY AND THE CD IS JUST A MUCH BETTER MAINTENANCE ENTITY.

IT CAN COLLECT ON THE TAX ROLL, WHICH IS HUGE.

I REMEMBER I'VE GONE TO SO MANY JURISDICTIONS WHERE HOMES HAVE COME BACK AND SAID, HEY, WE CAN'T TAKE CARE OF OUR ROADS, WE CAN'T TAKE CARE OF OUR STORMWATER PONDS BECAUSE WE'RE IN HANWHA.

WE CAN ONLY PUT LIENS ON INDIVIDUAL HOMES AND WE JUST CAN'T TAKE CARE OF THIS.

CAN YOU HELP US? AND SO A LOT OF CITIES AND COUNTIES NOW ACTUALLY REQUIRE YOU TO HAVE EITHER A CD OR AN MSB OR SOME SORT OF TAXING DISTRICT THAT CAN TAKE CARE OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND SO THAT'S A BIG COMPONENT OF WHY IT'S A BETTER MAINTENANCE ENTITY.

CITY IS ALSO CAN GET FEMA FUNDING AND STATEWIDE MUTUAL AID ASSURANCE.

WE JUST HAD HURRICANE IAN COME THROUGH.

I HAD KIDS THAT SERVED AS SHELTERS THROUGH THROUGH THE HURRICANE.

THEY ALSO ARE ABLE TO GET FEMA FUNDING.

I HAD A PROJECT IN SOUTHWEST FLORIDA WHEN HURRICANE IRMA WENT THROUGH AND THEY THEY GOT SIX FIGURES WORTH OF HER GRAIN DEBRIS REMOVAL.

I MEAN, THAT'S HAPPENING ALL OVER THE STATE RIGHT NOW WITH IAN AND THE OTHER TROPICAL STORM THAT WENT THROUGH.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER ADVANTAGE.

CITIES ARE ALSO MUCH MORE TRANSPARENT.

THEY'VE GOT PROFESSIONAL STAFF ON HAND.

THEY'VE GOT SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY PROTECTION, WHICH PROTECTS THE COMMUNITY FROM FRIVOLOUS LAWSUITS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO JUST OVERALL, THEY MAINTAIN THOSE HOME PRICES BETTER, MAINTAIN THE COMMUNITY BETTER.

AND, YOU KNOW, THE AND SO IT'S A BETTER OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE THAT THE THIRD BUCKET OF BENEFITS IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN A DIFFICULT ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT AND WE DON'T WE OBVIOUSLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT COULD HAPPEN OR COULDN'T HAPPEN.

BUT ACIDITY IS A MUCH BETTER POSITIONED IN ANY THAN HEYA TO TAKE CARE OF THINGS IF THINGS DON'T GO WELL RIGHT.

IF YOU HAVE A TRADITIONAL PROJECT AND THE DEVELOPER GOES BELLY UP AND YOU JUST HAVE AN HOA THERE, THAT PROJECT IS GOING TO SIT THERE.

BUT IF A SEED IS IN PLACE AND THEY'VE ISSUED BONDS, THEY CAN HAVE BOND MONEY IN THEIR CONSTRUCTION ACCOUNT.

THERE'S ALSO MONEY IN, IN THE RESERVE ACCOUNT.

THOSE MONIES ARE NOT SITTING IN THE DEVELOPER'S POCKET.

THEY'RE SITTING IN A TRUSTEE BANK LIKE US BANK OR REGIONS BANK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT CAN CAN ONLY BE ACCESSED THROUGH A STRICT REQUISITION PROCESS SIGNED OFF BY A PROFESSIONAL MANAGEMENT TEAM, SIGNED OFF BY A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER ON A SAUNDERS, WHOEVER IT IS.

AND THE BONDHOLDERS HAVE A CLAIM ON THAT TOO.

IF THERE'S A DEFAULT AND THEY CAN HELP DURING A RECESSION, MOVE THAT MONEY TO FINISH OUT A PHASE.

THEY CAN USE IT TO KEEP YOUR AMENITY CENTER, OPEN, WATER YOUR LANDSCAPING, PAY FOR FORECLOSURE COSTS.

GET THAT PROJECT BACK INTO PRODUCTIVE USE.

I'M NOT SAYING IT'S A PERFECT STRUCTURE TO SOLVE EVERY PROBLEM IN A RECESSIONARY ENVIRONMENT, BUT IT'S BETTER THAN AN HOA.

WHEN YOU HAVE NOTHING RIGHT, YOU HAVE NO ADVANTAGE THERE.

SO IT'S A LOT BETTER FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT REASONS.

AND ON A PROJECT WHERE YOU HAVE SO MUCH INFRASTRUCTURE IN A TIME LIKE THIS, THIS IS CERTAINLY PART OF OUR DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND IT'S VERY NECESSARY FOR THE PROJECT AND I THINK MAKES FOR A MUCH BETTER OPERATION MAINTENANCE ENTITY.

THANK YOU. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? IT DOESN'T ANSWER MY QUESTION. JUST IT'S GATED AS WELL TO YOUR COMMUNITY.

I DON'T BELIEVE THIS COMMUNITY IS GATED.

GATED. I.

NO FURTHER QUESTION. THANK. OKAY, THANK YOU.

ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU.

MADAM SHERMAN. ANYTHING TO ADD ANYTHING FURTHER? THANK YOU. HEY, ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO COME AND SPEAK? MASTER CHIEF. SILVERTON 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

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WHAT ARE THE ANY, IF ANY, DISADVANTAGES OF A CD? THE INDIVIDUALS STILL HAVE TO PAY THEIR CITY AD VALOREM TAX, WHICH IS WHAT FUNDS OUR POLICE OR FIRE OUR ALL THE OTHER STUFF.

AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, THEY HAVE AN ADDITIONAL FUNDING THAT THEY HAVE TO PAY TO THE CD.

SO IF THERE'S ANY DISADVANTAGES, I COULDN'T FIND THEMSELVES HOPING THAT SOMEBODY WHO HAS MORE FINANCIAL UNDERSTANDING THAN I DO WOULD BE ABLE TO TELL ME WHAT A DISADVANTAGE TO A CD WAS BECAUSE I'VE CHALLENGED SEEDS LIKE FOUR EMERALD LAKES ALSO.

BUT I DIDN'T. I DON'T SEE WHAT THE DISADVANTAGE IS AND MAYBE SOMEBODY CAN HELP ME OUT ON IT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CHIEF. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK FOR AGAINST THIS ITEM? MADAM SHERMAN WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE ALEX I'LL JUST BRIEFLY COMMENT.

I MEAN, I'M I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY NEGATIVES IN TERMS OF THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE.

FOR CDSS, THE BENEFIT IS THAT THE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT OF ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE OCCURS AND IS FUNDED AND THE CITY IS NOT ULTIMATELY GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THOSE ROADS.

THEY'RE PART OF THE SYSTEM AND THE CD HELPS TO TAKE CARE OF THEM IN THE FUTURE.

SO IT ACTUALLY ALLEVIATES THE BURDEN ON THE OVERALL CITY TAX BASE WHEN YOU HAVE A CD FOR THESE LARGE DEVELOPMENTS.

Q IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO CLOSE WITH, SIR? DOUBTLESS YOU'LL HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS.

QUESTIONS. I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASKING FOR A MOTION.

SO MOVE MOTION BY MAYOR JOHNSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN FELIX.

ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION? GENTLEMEN. MAYOR? YES.

YEAH. SO DURING WHEN WE APPROVE THIS ITEM ORIGINALLY, I MEAN, I ASKED MISS SANDERS IF SHE FELT THAT THE CITY WAS ABLE TO PROVIDE A LEVEL AND QUALITY NEEDED TO SERVICE THIS AREA.

SHE SAID YES.

THE ORDINANCE SPECIFICALLY STATES THAT THE CITY IS NOT ABLE TO PROVIDE IT.

SO I'M GOING TO VOTE AGAINST THIS.

I FEEL THAT THE CITY CAN PROVIDE WHAT WHAT THIS THIS PROJECT NEEDS WITHOUT THE CD.

I FEEL CD IS IMPORTANT FOR BIGGER AREAS SUCH AS SIERRA 1450 ACRES COMPARED TO 283 ACRES.

SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.

MAYOR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.

ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION? COUNCILMAN FELIX, HE SECONDED THE MOTION.

OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR.

SIGNIFY BY SAYING I.

I ALL OPPOSE.

NAY. NAY. PASSES 3 TO 2.

WE ARE NOW ON CONSENT.

[CONSENT AGENDA]

THE ONLY ITEMS I HAVE IS NUMBER TEN.

ITEM NUMBER TEN.

ANY. ANY ITEMS COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO PULL? COUNCIL. SEEING NONE.

AND THE EMOTION. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH THE REMOVALS OF ITEMS NUMBER TEN.

SECOND GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN FELIX.

ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION, GENTLEMEN.

SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR.

ANY OPPOSE NAY PASSES 4 TO 1 ITEM NUMBER.

OH, MADAM OR MADAM SMITH, RESOLUTION 2022 DASH 61, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING RESOLUTION 2021, DASH 52, AS AMENDED BY RESOLUTIONS 2020 2-05 2022, DASH 17, 2022, DASH 38 AND 2022.

DASH 44.

ADOPTING THE CLASSIFICATION AND PAY PLANS AND THE POSITION CONTROL PLAN FOR EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY FOR FISCAL YEAR 2021 THROUGH 2022.

RESCINDING RESOLUTIONS OR PARTS OF RESOLUTIONS IN CONFLICT HERE WITH PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER TEN.

BILL BATTEN. BILL BATON 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTH WEST UNDER CONSENT.

INSTEAD OF PULLING EACH ONE, I'M TALKING ABOUT CONSENT ITEM TEN, 11, 12, 13 AND 14.

I WAS ALSO GOING TO TALK ABOUT NEW BUSINESS TOO, BUT IT'S BEEN PULLED BECAUSE IT RELATED.

MAYBE YOU SHOULD CONSIDER ALL OF YOUR CITY CO SPONSORSHIPS.

IF YOU COULD CONSIDER USING YOUR ARPA FUNDING FOR YOUR CO SPONSORSHIPS.

THAT WAY, NONE OF YOUR CITY TAXES THAT HAVE BEEN COLLECTED FROM YOUR TAXPAYERS WOULD GO TO FUND PROGRAMS THAT DO NOT PAY CITY TAXES.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, REMEMBER THAT AD VALOREM TAXES ON THESE PROPERTIES BECAUSE THEY'RE NON PROFIT THAT WILL BE LOST.

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SO REMEMBER WHEN WE'RE SAYING WHO GETS THESE THESE BREAKS WERE GIVEN NOW GIVEN MONEY TO THEM THAT CAME OUT OF MY TAX DOLLAR MONEY ARPA FUNDS WAS MY TAX DOLLAR.

IT WASN'T MONEY FROM HEAVEN.

SO IT'S STILL COMING FROM THE TAX DOLLARS.

FROM MY TAX DOLLARS THESE ARE BEING FUNDED TO.

SO I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY, WELL, MAYBE WE CAN USE THAT FEDERAL TAX DOLLAR TO FUND MY ARP FUNDS FOR THESE ORGANIZATIONS.

INSTEAD OF YOUR.

CO SPONSORSHIPS.

USE YOUR ARPA FUNDS FOR YOUR CO SPONSORSHIPS BECAUSE THEN NONE OF MY CITY TAX DOLLARS GOES TO THE NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

MADAM CHAIRMAN. IT IS THAT ARPA FUNDING QUALIFY FOR CO SPONSORSHIP? NO, SIR. OKAY.

THANK YOU. AND MARY.

PHIL SURE.

MAN WOULD YOU CLARIFY AS FAR AS THE LIST OF CHARITIES THAT ARE LISTED HERE? YES, THERE MAY BE FIVE ONE, TWO, THREE STATUS, BUT THEY DO PAY TAXES WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROPERTY TAXES.

THE REFERENCE.

IT'S ABOUT IN COMMENTS AS FAR AS THEY DON'T PAY TAXES, WOULD YOU? SPEAK ON THAT? CERTAINLY SO.

YOU KNOW, A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION I CAN USE, HABITAT FOR HUMANITY MAYBE AS AN EXAMPLE.

THEY MAY BE A NONPROFIT, BUT THEN THE WORK THAT THEY DO TO HELP BUILD HOMES, ULTIMATELY THOSE HOMES GET TURNED OVER AND THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE PAYING TAXES AS PART OF THAT PROCESS.

SO THE SAME WOULD APPLY TO ANY OF THE ORGANIZATIONS.

THEY HAVE DIFFERENT DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THEY DO IN THE COMMUNITY, THAT ULTIMATELY THERE'S A TAX BASE THAT COMES FROM THAT VOLUNTEER.

I BELIEVE IT MIGHT BE.

VOA ONE OF THE GROUPS THAT'S BUILDING LIKE MULTIFAMILY, THAT ALSO IS GOING TO BE A TAX BASE INCREASE.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. AT MULTIFAMILY.

AND THE EMOTION SO MOVED SECOND EMOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN FELIX.

ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION, GENTLEMEN? SEEING NONE ALL IN FAVOR I ANY OPPOSE PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

WE ARE NOW.

[PROCUREMENTS]

WE'RE ON NUMBER ONE PROCUREMENTS.

MISS SHERMAN. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THIS ITEM, JUST BRIEFLY, IS A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT IN OUR ROAD MAINTENANCE PROGRAM.

SO WE WANTED TO DEFINITELY DRAW ATTENTION TO THIS AS A A HUGE OPPORTUNITY TO START THE MAINTENANCE PROGRAM THAT COMES FOLLOWING ON THE HEELS OF THE ROAD BOND PAVING PROGRAM.

SO WHAT THIS ITEM DOES IS IT ALLOWS US TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF AN EXISTING CONTRACT TO DO WHAT'S CALLED REJUVENATION.

AND WE WILL BE DOING THIS PROCESS FOR PHASES ONE AND PHASE TWO FROM THE ROAD BOND PROGRAM.

SO THE ROADS THAT WERE ALREADY PAVED.

SO THIS IS A BIG FIRST STEP.

AND THIS IS ONE OF MANY STEPS YOU'LL SEE AS WE GO FORWARD WHERE WE COME BEHIND THE ROAD PAVING PROGRAM, ROAD BOND PAVING PROGRAM, AND WE MAINTAIN OUR ROADS SO THAT THE CITY DOESN'T GET INTO THE SITUATION THAT IT WAS BEFORE.

SO THIS IS THIS IS VERY CRITICAL.

WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING THIS TO YOU AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING LIFE TO OUR STREETS.

YES, SIR. THANK YOU.

ALSO, ANY QUESTIONS? YES, I HAVE A QUESTION. I'M IN, FOSTER.

THIS IS THE CIP FUND, RIGHT? IT IS A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN PROJECT.

HOWEVER, IT IS FUNDED OUT OF THE ROAD MAINTENANCE FUND.

OKAY. YEAH. THE ROAD MAINTENANCE FUND.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COUNSEL? YES, COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO.

SO WE PUT AWAY ABOUT $4 MILLION FOR THIS YEAR'S ROAD MAINTENANCE PROGRAM, AND NOW WE'RE GOING USE 2.4.

SO WE'RE SAVING MONEY IN THE LONG RUN FROM THIS PIGGYBACK.

YEAH, THE PIGGYBACK SAVES US A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY.

ACTUALLY, I DIDN'T MENTION IT IN HERE, BUT IN THE AGENDA MEMO, IT TALKS ABOUT THE INCREASING COSTS OF DOING THIS PIGGYBACKING AND WE ORIGINALLY WE'RE LOOKING AT A QUOTE OF $1.1 AND $0.25 PER SQUARE YARD STARTING IN JANUARY OF THIS COMING YEAR.

BUT PIGGYBACKING THIS EXISTING CONTRACT, THE RATE DROPS DOWN TO A DOLLAR AND $0.12, WHICH IS HUGE FOR US IN TERMS OF THE VOLUME OF THIS CONTRACT.

EXCELLENT JOB. THANK YOU. AND JUST A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS I HAD.

[02:10:03]

CORRECT. A NEW A NEW REJUVENATION PRODUCT.

I WOULD HAVE TO HAVE OUR CITY ENGINEER COME UP AND SPEAK TO THAT.

I BELIEVE IT'S THE SAME PRODUCT THAT WE'VE USED HISTORICALLY IN THE CITY.

BUT HE CAN ANSWER MORE DETAIL.

GOOD EVENING AGAIN, FRANK. NOW, WITH THE CITY ENGINEER AND THE PRODUCT IS THE SAME PRODUCT WE'VE USED TWICE ALREADY.

IT'S THE COMPANY IS CALLED PTI, AND THEY USE THE OIL BASED LIMIT.

IT'S A REJUVENATION MATERIAL THAT ADDS LIFE BACK TO THE ROADWAY.

IT ADDS OIL BACK INTO THE WHAT THEY CALL THE ASPHALT BINDER.

SO IT GIVES IT ANOTHER WHAT THEY SAY, FIVE YEARS.

SO TYPICALLY WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IS YOU WANT TO BETWEEN THREE YEARS AFTER YOU PAID THROUGH, ADD THE REJUVENATION AND THEN GIVE IT ANOTHER THREE MORE YEARS AND DO IT AGAIN.

SO THEN YOU'RE ADDING FIVE PLUS FIVE OR TEN MORE YEARS TO 20 YEAR ROADWAY.

SO NOW YOU HAVE A 30 YEAR ROADWAY.

PERFECT. THANK YOU, FRANK. AND TO FOLLOW UP WITH THAT QUESTION, IT IS IS ENVIRONMENTALLY SAFE.

YES, IT IS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, FRANK.

LET ME SPEAK TO CARDIN'S DEPUTY MAYOR.

OKAY. I NEED A. SO MOVE.

AND A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN FELIX ANY ANY.

YOU SECOND AT COUNCILMAN FELIX ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD? ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I ALL RIGHT.

ANY OPPOSE PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

WE ARE NOW ON NEW BUSINESS ITEM NUMBER ONE.

[NEW BUSINESS]

THANK YOU, SIR. THIS IS THE, UM, THE, UH, CONSIDERATION OF THE CITY'S 2023 STATE LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES TO GO OVER THEM VERY BRIEFLY THERE IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET.

BUT WE HAVE TWO THAT WE'RE PROPOSING THAT WOULD BE ADDRESSING EXISTING LEGISLATION.

SO WOULD BE SOME POLICY CHANGES WE'D BE LOOKING TO ACCOMPLISH.

AND THEN WE HAVE FOUR ITEMS THAT WOULD BE FUNDING APPROPRIATION REQUESTS JUST FOR A HIGH LEVEL.

THE POLICY ITEMS RELATE TO THE USES OF BUILDING ENTERPRISE FUNDS AND THE FUND BALANCE THAT IS REQUIRED TO BE CAPPED CURRENTLY.

THE SECOND ITEM IS RELATED TO THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY INCENTIVES, A PRIOR PROGRAM THEY USED TO HAVE TO PROVIDE FUNDING TO BRING COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT INTO AREAS. THE FOUR FUNDING APPROPRIATION REQUESTS.

ONE IS RELATED TO SEEKING STATE FUNDING TO FURTHER EXPAND OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AT OUR RANGE.

ANOTHER ONE IS ACTUALLY RELATED TO SEEKING FUNDING FOR THE DESIGN AND ENGINEERING OF THE FOUR LANING OF THE ST JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY NORTHWEST AREA.

THE THIRD ONE IS THE REQUEST TO ASSIST WITH THE SEPTIC TO SEWER CONVERSIONS, AND THAT ONE SPECIFICALLY IS FOCUSED ON VERY SMALL REGIONAL AREA.

SO WE HAVE 142 CUSTOMERS IN THE CITY WHO ARE HAVE SEWER AVAILABLE, BUT THEY'RE NOT CONNECTED.

AND SO WHAT WE WOULD BE REQUESTING IS STATE FUNDING TO ALLOW US TO HELP TO PAY THROUGH THE STATE FUNDING FOR THE CUSTOMER SIDE OF THE CONNECTION.

AND I BELIEVE THERE'S A FOURTH, BUT I SEEM TO HAVE LOST IT.

ERIC, YOU HAVE THE FOURTH, MA'AM.

THE THE THE HOOK UP, I BELIEVE YOU MIGHT HAVE.

YOU MISSED THE.

YOU GOT THE UPGRADES, YOU GOT THE EXPANSION.

I'M THE RADIO.

I'M SORRY. I COULDN'T SEE IT IN LOOKING AT THE THE PARAGRAPHS.

I GOT IT. THANK YOU, ERIC.

SO, YEAH, THE OTHER ONE IS THERE'S A NEW, NEW COMPLIANCE STANDARDS FOR OUR RADIO SYSTEMS, AND THEY HAVE TO BE WHAT'S CALLED P 25 COMPLIANT.

SO THE LAST ITEM WAS THE REQUEST FOR FUNDING TO HELP PURCHASE SOME OF THE FIRE RADIOS THAT WE WILL NEED BECAUSE ALL OF OUR RADIOS WILL HAVE TO BE REPLACED TO RUN ON THE NEW SYSTEM. THANK YOU.

AND THAT IS THE LAST ONE. THANK YOU, MA'AM.

I DO HAVE A QUESTION, AND IT'S REGARDING ITEM NUMBER FOUR AND IT BEING MANDATORY HOOKUP, AS WE'RE QUOTING THE STATE STATUTE THAT IS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE TURKEY CREEK AREA, THAT IT WOULD AFFECT THOSE 100 HOMES. CORRECT.

SO ALL NOT NOT SPECIFICALLY TO TURKEY CREEK.

I'LL HAVE KRIS LITTLE OR UTILITIES DIRECTOR COME UP AND TALK THROUGH IT A LITTLE BIT, IF YOU LIKE.

BUT THESE ARE THE 142 THAT ARE SEWER AVAILABLE, NOT CONNECTED, THAT WE WOULD THEN WANT TO REQUIRE CONNECTIONS OF THEM.

USING THE STATE MONEY TO HELP THEM DEAL WITH THEIR THEIR SIDE OF THE SEWER SYSTEM, TO ABANDON THEIR SEPTIC TANK, ETC..

SO THOSE 142 ARE SPECIFICALLY THE TURKEY CREEK.

WE DO NOT HAVE ANY SORT AVAILABLE, NOT CONNECTED IN THAT AREA.

THIS IS FOR HOMES THAT ARE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO A WATER BODY LIKE THE SEA ONE CANAL.

ANY OF THE CANALS THAT RUN NORTH OR SOUTH THAT DRAIN INTO THE SEA ONE AND THEN ULTIMATELY END UP IN THE PRESERVE TO THE WEST.

[02:15:04]

BUT THIS THESE SEPTIC TO SEWER PROJECTS WOULD NOT DIRECTLY IMPACT THE TURKEY CREEK.

THANK YOU, SIR. ALONG THOSE ALONG THE TURKEY CREEK, THOUGH, RIGHT.

PROPERTIES ALONG THERE OR.

SO THE 142 THAT I REFERENCED IN THE LEGISLATIVE MEMO, THOSE ARE JUST ALONG THE SEA ONE CANAL AND VARIOUS CANALS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

THEY ARE NOT DIRECTLY CONNECTED TO TO THAT BECAUSE THE WATER FROM THE SEA ONE IS REVERTED WEST.

BUT IN THE SURVEY LEVEL, NOT CONNECTED.

THERE ARE NONE IN THE IN THE TURKEY CREEK AREA.

OKAY. THERE IS A MAELSTROM.

WHEN YOU HOOK WITH SOMEBODY WHO HAS A SEPTIC AND THEY GET HOOKED UP TO SEWER TO THAT TO REMOVE THEIR SEPTIC TANK AS PART OF THE PROCESS OR THAT SEPTIC TANK, NOW YOU CRUSH IT IN AND BACKFILL IT.

IT'S NOT A COMPLETE REMOVAL.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN, REGARDING.

I HAVE A QUESTION. GO AHEAD. THIS IS FOR THE CITY MANAGER.

THE RADIOS.

THESE VIDEOS IS FOR POLICE AND FIRE.

AM I CORRECT? ONCE WE'D BE SEEKING WOULD JUST BE FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

BUT WE NEED THEM FOR BOTH DEPARTMENTS IF WE DON'T GET THE FUNDING.

YOU KNOW THE COST OF WHAT THE CITY INCUR TO GET THE RADIOS.

I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER OFFHAND.

LESLIE, DO YOU KNOW IT LIKE IN TOTAL BY CHANCE OR ERIC, DO YOU HAVE THAT IN YOUR NOTES? BALLPARK. IF YOU GIVE ME A SECOND, I MIGHT BE ABLE TO FIND AN EMAIL ON THAT REAL QUICK.

SEEKING 1.2.

FIVE. WOULD BE OUT OF POCKET FOR US BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE A CONCERN.

WELL, IDEALLY WE'RE GOING TO GET.

SO TRACKING THE SAME WAY, I'LL TRACK IT.

THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THE QUESTION.

IT LOOKS LIKE THE TOTAL NUMBER THAT I SAW IN AN EMAIL FROM STAFF WAS JUST UNDER $500,000.

YOU GOT SOME DATA FOR US.

I WANT PAIR. NOW.

GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE WITH YOU THIS EVENING.

ACCORDING TO OUR FIRE CHIEF.

35 RADIOS FOR THE FIREFIGHTERS WILL BE $10,576.62 EACH, TOTALING $370,181.70. 300,000.

370,000. $181.70, TO BE EXACT.

THAT'S FOR THE FIRE. AS FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

BUT THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT THE TOTAL FOR THE WHOLE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

THAT'S JUST FOR THE 35 RADIOS FOR OUR FIREFIGHTERS, AS I UNDERSTOOD IT.

SO WE HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL COSTS.

WE HAVE 17 COMMAND STAFF RADIOS.

IT WOULD BE ANOTHER 78,000.

AND THEN WE HAVE THE LAPEL MIKES FOR THE THREE FOR THE 35, 35 LAPEL MIKES, IN ADDITION TO THE $370,181.70, ACCORDING TO THE FIRE CHIEF.

THERE'S ALSO A NEED FOR 35 LAPEL MIKES FOR THE RADIOS.

THOSE ARE VALUED AT $900 EACH, TOTALING $31,500.

IN ADDITION TO THAT 17 COMMAND STAFF RADIOS.

TOTALING $4,597.02 EACH, TOTALING SEVEN $78,149.

SO THESE RADIOS WILL BE THE FIRE COULD TALK TO THE POLICE AND THE POLICE COULD TALK TO THE FIRE.

RIGHT. ESSENTIALLY, ALL FIRST RESPONDERS WILL BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE EFFECTIVELY.

THAT'S CORRECT. ALL RIGHT.

AND THIS SYSTEM HAS TO BE IN PLACE BY 2025.

YES. BUT I GOT THE CHIEF PARTNER HERE.

I'M GOOD TO GO. YEAH.

THIS IS AN EXTREME PRIORITY.

COUNCILMAN FOSTER, I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHEN WE GO TO TALLAHASSEE WHAT WE'RE FIGHTING FOR.

YES, SIR. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COUNSEL? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNSEL COUNCILMAN FELIX.

SALESMAN. FILIBERTO, ANY QUESTIONS? OK. NEED A MOTION MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE STAFF AND THE CITY STATE LOBBYING FIRM SUNRISE CONSULTING GROUP TO ADVOCATE FOR THE

[02:20:03]

THAT ARE YOU SECOND? GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON, SECONDED BY MEDINA.

ALL IN FAVOR.

I ANY OPPOSE PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER THREE UNDER NEW BUSINESS.

MADAM SHERMAN.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. THIS ITEM IS A REQUEST FOR CO-SPONSORSHIP FROM THE WEST INDIAN CARIBBEAN CULTURE AND SPORTS ORGANIZATION FOR FAMILY FUN DAY EVENTS THAT THEY HOLD.

THE FIRST SATURDAY OF EACH MONTH IN REVIEW OF THIS PARTICULAR CO-SPONSORSHIP.

IT DOES MEET THE CRITERIA OF THE SPONSORSHIP POLICY AND THAT IT CONTINUES TO ADVANCE THE CITY'S COMMITMENT TO END PRIDE IN BEING A MULTICULTURAL COMMUNITY. IT IS ALSO FREE AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, WHICH IS ONE OF OUR CRITERIA AS WELL.

THE EVENT WILL BE HELD.

THE SERIES OF EVENTS, I SHOULD SAY, WILL BE HELD AT FRED POPPY REGIONAL PARK, AND THE TOTAL VALUE OF THE CO SPONSORSHIP IS ESTIMATED TO BE $4,900.

THE ORGANIZATION CONTRIBUTES TO THE TO THE EVENTS BY PROVIDING FREE FOOD AND DRINKS AND ENTERTAINMENTS.

AND OUR COSTS THAT WE'RE REQUESTING FOR CO SPONSORSHIP INCLUDES THE VALUE OF ONE MAINTENANCE STAFF MEMBER AND THE WAIVER OF THE RENTAL FEES AND SPECIAL EVENT FEES.

SO THE TOTAL IS $490 PER PER EVENT TIMES TEN FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE YEAR.

AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND I KNOW THE APPLICANTS IS HERE AS WELL.

OKAY. SO, MA'AM, JUST TO REFRESH COUNCILS MEMORY, I THINK I LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO THANK FRED POMPEY BECAUSE IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THERE WERE SEVERAL CITIZENS THAT CAME DISCUSSING ABOUT THE LOUD MUSIC AND I THINK THE CELEBRATION WAS BEING HELD AT A AT A DISTANCE.

SO THIS WAS A PARTNERSHIP THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US, AND IT WAS FRED THAT WORKED WITH NOT ONLY THE COMMUNITY BUT WITH OUR STAKEHOLDERS. AND SO I WANTED TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO COMMEND HIS HARD WORK AND HIS TEAM'S WORK.

AND IN COMING TO A PLACE WHERE THIS IS A RESOLUTION, IF YOU WILL.

SO THAT BEING SAID, WE HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT CARD, DEPUTY MAYOR.

MARCIA SMITH.

HELLO. GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS MARCY SMITH, AND I LIVE ON FLEMING AVENUE, SOUTH WEST.

I JOINED THE W I C C.

S ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS NOW, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING THIS EVENT EVERY MONTH, ONCE A MONTH.

AND IT'S, AS WE SAID, IT'S OPEN TO THE ENTIRE RESIDENTS OF PALM BAY AND EVERYONE IS FREE TO COME.

IT'S A FREE EVENT, YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT COME, THEY LOOK FORWARD TO GET THE FOOD, JERK CHICKEN, JERK PORK, YOU KNOW, AND ALL OF THAT. SO WE JUST WANT TO KEEP HAVING THIS ONCE A MONTH RIGHT THROUGH THE YEAR.

SO. WE JUST LOOKING FORWARD TO GET YOUR SUPPORT ON IT.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

THIS IS THE SAME EVENT THAT YOU HAD AT SPACE COAST, HARLEY-DAVIDSON AT ONE POINT.

YES. IS THAT RIGHT? YES. THAT WAS A WONDERFUL EVENT.

YES. OH, YEAH. YOU WERE THERE.

YOU'RE ALL WELCOME TO COME.

ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, MA'AM. THANK YOU.

YOU'LL SPEAK ACCORDING TO DEPUTY MAYOR.

THAT'S IT. I'M ASKING FOR A MOTION.

MAYOR O MOTION.

MOTION TO APPROVE A CONSIDERATION OF CO-SPONSORSHIP REQUESTS FROM THE WEST INDIAN CARIBBEAN CULTURE AND SPORTS ORGANIZATION FOR THE FAMILY FUN DAYS EVENT ON THE FIRST SALARIES OF EVERY MONTH. I GOT A MOTION BY SUSMAN FILIBERTO, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN FELIX.

ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION, GENTLEMEN.

I JUST WANT TO TASTE THE JERK CHICKEN.

I'M GETTING HUNGRY. THAT.

SO, YEAH, I'D LIKE TO ADD MAYOR.

WELL, I'M REALLY GLAD AS WELL.

AS YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, KUDOS TO FRED, POPPY WORKING WITH ALFIE AND HIS STAFF, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WORKS FOR BOTH.

FOR EVERYBODY. YEAH, WE WE RECALL A FEW RESIDENTS THAT CAME CAME BEFORE US AND COMPLAINING AS FAR AS THE NOISE ASPECT. AND ALSO, I'M PARTICULARLY HAPPY THE FACT THAT WE GOT A COUPLE OF CARIBBEAN GROUPS THAT WE ACTUALLY

[02:25:06]

RIGHT. BUT GUYS GOT TO DO WHAT THEY DO ON A SUNDAY.

SO MR. ALFIE AND HIS GROUP DO HAVE THE SATURDAY.

SO TO ME IT'S A PLUS.

PLUS, YOU KNOW, I CAN ATTEND WOULD PARTY WITH MR. ALFIE AND THE NEXT DAY GO AND ENJOY BUKAUSKAS YOU KNOW, AND WELL I LIKE THE F W F R W E F HE.

ASPECT OF IT WHERE, WHERE WE CAN ENJOY AND HAVE A GOOD TIME.

AND WE APPRECIATE WHAT YOU BRING TO THIS COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

I LIKE YOUR COMMENTS, ESPECIALLY THE F R W E THAT IS.

I SHOULD HAVE PATENT THAT A WHILE AGO IF YOU ASK ME.

BUT RIGHT NOW I'VE GOT A I'VE GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN FELIX.

ALL IN FAVOR I.

PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

WE ARE NOW. CONGRATULATIONS.

WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

RESOLUTION 2022, DEF 62, A RESOLUTION THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, TERMINATING THE STATE OF LOCAL EMERGENCY DECLARED BY A LEGISLATIVE ORDER.

D 2020 2-02 PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. MS..

SHERMAN. I THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THIS IS JUST THE FORMAL PROCESS TO CONCLUDE THE STATE OF EMERGENCY THAT WAS DECLARED LAST WEEK IN ADVANCE OF TROPICAL STORM NICOLE.

SO THE REQUESTS ARE PART OF THE RESOLUTION IS SIMPLY TO END THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, 5 P.M.

ON LAST FRIDAY, BECAUSE THAT WAS WHEN WE ESSENTIALLY HAD CONCLUDED OUR DAMAGE ASSESSMENTS CLEAN UP AND THE CITY DID VERY WELL AND WE WERE VERY THANKFUL FOR THAT.

SO. THANK YOU.

ANY SPEAKER CARD, SIR? DEPUTY MAYOR. OKAY.

I NEED A MOTION.

SO MOVED. SO I GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON.

SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN FOSTER.

DEPUTY MAYOR. ANYTHING TO ADD? ENFORCE FOSTER. ANYTHING TO ADD? I'LL ADD, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

I WANT TO THANK OUR STAFF.

JOHNNY ON THE SPOT.

EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU.

I DON'T TAKE FOR GRANTED WHAT YOU DID, HOW YOU DID IT.

YOU KNOW, WHILE. WHILE WE'RE.

BATTEN DOWN THE HATCHES.

YOU GUYS ARE OUT THERE REPRESENTING THIS CITY, YOU KNOW, PUTTING YOUR LIFE.

OUR FIRST RESPONDERS WERE OUT.

AND, YOU KNOW, I'M PROUD.

I'M PROUD OF EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU.

EACH AND EVERY STAFF MEMBER.

AND EVEN ON THAT FRIDAY, ON VETERANS DAY AND SO ON.

YOU GUYS, YOU GUYS DO US PROUD.

I AM PALM BAY PROUD OF EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOUR EFFORTS.

GOD BLESS YOU, MA'AM. GOD BLESS EACH AND EVERY ONE OF OUR STAFF.

WE WERE EXTREMELY BLESSED, GENTLEMEN, WITH BOTH THESE STORMS AND WHAT WAS IT, 40 SOMETHING DAYS.

SO I. I DON'T TAKE IT LIGHTLY.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE RECOGNIZE OUR STAFF AND HOW THEY REACTED IN THEIR ASSESSMENTS.

I KNOW THAT I WENT TO ONE OF THE PARKS AND I COULDN'T DO ANY ASSESSMENTS.

I JUST MOVED BRANCHES AND STUFF OUT AND I SAYS, OKAY, I COULD STILL HANG OUT AT THE PARK.

BUT BUT THESE GUYS, THEY THEY EVALUATE EACH AND EVERY BRIDGE.

AND I AM SO PROUD OF THEM.

AND I'M I'M HONORED TO SERVE AS THEIR MAYOR.

SO THANK YOU. WITH THAT, I'VE GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON, SECONDED BY COUNCIL COUNCILMAN FOSTER.

ALL IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER.

FIVE. ITS MAYOR.

THANK YOU. STAFF IS REQUESTING A STRATEGIC PLANNING WORKSHOP ON MONDAY, DECEMBER 5TH, FROM 9 A.M.

TO 4 P.M. AND REQUEST COUNCIL'S CONSENSUS ON THAT.

WE WOULDN'T GO WITH DECEMBER 5TH.

EVERYONE. YOU GOT EVERYBODY HERE.

YOU NEED A MOTION FOR THAT.

SO WE'RE ALL GOOD.

NOW WE'RE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SIX.

AND DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS FOR THAT? OKAY. SO WE'RE GOING TO DO IS SELECT SELECTION OF COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR DEPUTY MAYOR.

NOW, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'D LIKE TO SHARE SOME THINGS.

YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY, TRADITIONALLY, WE'VE ALWAYS HAD THAT.

AND IT GOES FROM COUNCIL TO COUNCIL.

AND IT'S BEEN A TRADITIONAL THING.

RIGHT. WHEN I LOOK AT THAT POST, IT'S A CEREMONIAL POSITION AS WELL.

AND WE'VE BEEN BLESSED TO HAVE A DEPUTY MAYOR TO HAVE THAT POSITION FOR THREE YEARS.

I JUST LIKE TO SHARE A FEW OF MY THOUGHTS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, TAKE IT FOR WHATEVER IT'S WORTH TO YOU.

[02:30:03]

THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT NO ONE'S MORE CAPABLE THAN THE OTHER, BUT WHEN I SEE A.

COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO AS AN EXAMPLE, WHEN I SEE HIM AND AND I SEE THE GROWTH AS A CHILD, HE REPRESENTS THE CITY OF PALM BAY AS A BORN AND RAISED NATURAL CITIZEN HERE.

HE ALSO REPRESENTS YOUR HIGH SCHOOL BAYSIDE BEARS, YOU KNOW, TO CARRY ON THAT TRADITION, RIGHT? HE ALSO, TO ME, HE REPRESENTS A CHILD OF A FORMER MAYOR, FORMER COUNCILPERSON OF THIS CITY, WHO AT ONE POINT SAT ON THE DAIS WHEN HE WAS A LITTLE BABY.

AND SO WHEN I SEE HIM, THERE'S A THERE'S A PRIDE THAT BESTOWS UPON ME.

AND SO I'M I'M JUST SAYING, TRADITIONALLY, THIS IS A CEREMONIAL POSITION.

I'D LIKE TO SEE HIM AS DEPUTY MAYOR.

I LIKE FOR EVERYONE TO TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT, BUT IT WOULD MEAN THAT IT WOULD THREE YEARS OF DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON.

IT WOULD MEAN TRANSFERRING THAT OVER.

AND I THINK TRADITIONALLY WE COULD DO THAT.

EITHER ONE ON COUNCIL CAN DO THAT.

BUT I'M I'D LIKE TO I LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION AND I GUESS I'D HAVE TO PASS THE GAVEL.

I LIKE TO JOHNSON OR AS YOU WERE THAT COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO BE.

ELECTED DEPUTY MAYOR.

THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION.

WE HAVE WE HAVE A MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND.

I'LL SECOND, IF I MAY.

ALL RIGHT, MAYOR, YOU MADE THE MOTION.

SO LIKE I SAID, I YOU KNOW, AND THANK YOU FOR SECONDING THAT, BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN INTERESTING IF YOU WOULD HAVE SAID, I DON'T WANT TO SERVE.

BUT AGAIN, COUNCILMAN FELIX COUNCILMAN FOSTER ANY ONE OF AND YOU AS WELL.

DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON, I THINK YOU'VE DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB.

I TRULY HAVE.

BUT IT IS A CEREMONIAL POSITION.

IT IS A TRADITION FOR FOR IT TO BE PASSED ON.

SO I'D LIKE TO SEE IT MOVE ON.

OF COURSE, THAT DETERMINATION IS BASED ON THIS COUNCIL, BUT I FEEL STRONGLY ENOUGH TO TO PASS THE GAVEL TO SEE IF IF THERE'S WARRANTED, IF I COULD GET THE BODY HERE TO VOTE FOR COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO, SERVE ON THAT POST.

AND AGAIN, IT'S IT'S PERHAPS ALL THE GROWTH THAT I'VE SEEN IN HIM.

THE YOU KNOW, HE'S A YOUNG MAN BEEN IN IN THIS CITY FOR ALL THESE YEARS.

NOT ONLY THAT, I'VE SEEN HIM REACT WITH THE CONSTITUENCY EVEN BEFORE HE WAS ELECTED, EVEN BEFORE HE EVEN RAN FOR OFFICE, HE WAS ALWAYS ACTIVE AT EXCUSE ME, BOXING EVENTS AND AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

AND SO HE REPRESENTS THE PRIDE OF PALM BAY, A BORN AND RAISED INDIVIDUAL.

YEAH, I'VE BEEN HERE 34 YEARS, BUT.

BUT THIS MAN.

HE REPRESENTS PALM BAY.

HE IS A PRODUCT OF THIS GREAT CITY, AND I THOUGHT IT'D BE FITTING FOR HIM TO SERVE AS AS DEPUTY MAYOR.

AND THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.

THAT'S WHY I MADE THE MOTION.

COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO.

THANK YOU. DAVID MAYOR. MAYOR, I'M HUMBLED BY WHAT YOU SAY IS HER.

I'D BE HONORED TO BE THE DEPUTY MAYOR OF THE DIOCESE AND OF THIS COUNCIL.

I DO WORK HARD AT THIS, OBVIOUSLY, AND I HOPE TO HAVE THE SUPPORT OF THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS.

BORN AND RAISED HERE AGAIN, THIS WILL BE TRULY AN HONOR.

AND I ALSO JUST WANTED TO MENTION, TOO, I BELIEVE I'M NO LONGER A JUNIOR COUNCILMAN ANYMORE.

I'M IN MY SECOND TERM NOW.

SO YOU RAN UNOPPOSED? YES, SIR. YES, SIR.

SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CRACK THERE.

BUT THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

ANYONE ELSE. FOR ME PERSONALLY.

I'LL SPEAK. I AM IN FAVOR OF COUNCILMAN FELIX BEING APPOINTED WHILE COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO IS ON HIS SECOND TERM IS STILL WITHIN A YEAR.

AND I FEEL COUNCILMAN FELIX HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS.

AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IN THE POSITION OF DEPUTY MAYOR, YOU'RE ABLE TO ALSO HELP ASSIST THE MAYOR AND MANAGING THE MEETINGS AND ALSO MAKING SURE WE'RE NOT SPEAKING DOWN TO STAFF OR AGAINST STAFF WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO GIVE US RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CAREFUL ON HOW WE SPEAK TO STAFF.

AND I FEEL LIKE COUNCILMAN FELIX HAS DONE AN EXCEPTIONAL JOB IN THAT.

SO THEREFORE I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.

ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? YEAH, I GUESS I'M JUST SITTING HERE IN SPACE AND I DON'T REPRESENT PALM BAY.

[02:35:02]

I'M JUST SPEAKING MY.

MY THOUGHTS. OKAY.

I RESPECT WHAT YOU YOUR LOVE FOR FILIBERTO AND I HAVE SOME LOVE FOR HIM, TOO.

BUT I JUST GUESS I'M JUST HERE.

I MEAN, I CAN MAKE AN ARGUMENT FOR MYSELF, BUT I'M NOT.

I'M NOT. I'M NOT. I HAVE NO INTEREST TO BE DEPUTY MAYOR.

AT ALL. SO I'M GOING TO JUST LEAVE IT LIKE THAT.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION.

COUNCILMAN FELIX. DEPUTY MAYOR? I DO. I DO. CERTAINLY DO APPRECIATE YOUR KIND WORD AND THE RECOMMENDATION AS WELL.

AGAIN. YOU KNOW, WHEN I SIGNED UP FOR THIS JOB, IF ANYBODY, ANY ONE OF YOU GUYS KNOW ME AND I'VE BEEN A HUMBLE SERVANT FOR THE LAST 12 YEARS ACTIVELY SERVING, REALLY, I WANT TO THANK I DID A DECENT JOB, I SUPPOSE, SERVING THIS COMMUNITY.

IN FACT, I CAN TELL YOU I TURNED AS FAR AS THE POLITICS PART OF IT I NEVER CARED FOR UNTIL 2020 WAS, WELL, TRULY A DECISIVE MOMENT IN MY ACTIVISM, I SHOULD SAY, OR SERVING THIS COMMUNITY.

I DON'T YOU KNOW, IF YOU IF YOU YOU KNOW, I NEVER TOOK PLEASURE ON BEING CALLED A POLITICIAN BECAUSE I'M NOT TO ME, THIS IS A PRIVILEGE.

THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO TO SERVE IN THIS CAPACITY.

AND I WAS SERVING HARD.

AND THAT'S WHY I SIGN UP FOR TO SERVE THIS GREAT COMMUNITY WITHOUT A TITLE.

I'VE DONE IT 12 YEARS BACK IN 2008.

ACTIVELY ENGAGING, CIVICALLY ENGAGED, JOINED BY CASCA YOU KNOW ORGANIZING THE COMMUNITY BEING REPRESENTED THAT THAT THAT BRING YOU KNOW BRIDGING THE GAP WHERE IT WAS A GAP SERVING THIS COMMUNITY.

SO WE DON'T WITHOUT THE TITLE I'M FINE AND THE POLITICAL ASPECT OF IT NEVER CARED FOR UNTIL 2020 WHEN I LOOKED AT THE POTENTIAL CANDIDATES AND I SAID, MAN, I LOVE THIS CITY TOO MUCH TO ALLOW THIS MESS TO HAPPEN.

SOME OF THESE CANDIDATES WERE PRETTY SCARY, TO SAY THE LEAST.

SO SURE ENOUGH, I JUMPED IN AND HERE'S THE RESULT.

SO. SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN HONOR.

I WOULD CERTAINLY ACCEPT IT.

BUT BUT WITH RATHER, WE GO WITH FILIBERTO OR MYSELF.

IT WON'T MAKE MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE TO ME.

I THINK IT TAKES IT TAKES A SERVANT.

IT TAKES SOMEBODY WITH A GREAT HEART.

AND I LOVE THIS COMMUNITY.

BORN HERE OR NOT.

YOU KNOW, I WAS BORN IN A FOREIGN LAND, BUT AMERICA IS HOME.

YOU KNOW, IT'S THE AMERICAN DREAM.

BEING AN AMERICAN IS AN IDEAL.

IT'S IT'S IT'S IT'S YOU KNOW, IT'S HOW YOU VIEW IT.

IT'S ALL YOU'RE WILLING TO SERVE.

IT'S HOW YOU EMBRACE THE AMERICAN IDEOLOGIES.

SO SO, YOU KNOW, I LOVE THIS CITY.

THIS CITY IS MY HOME.

AND THAT'S WHERE I'M GROWING MY KIDS.

I'M A VESTED INTEREST IN EVERY ASPECT.

YOU KNOW, I'LL SERVE WHATEVER CAPACITY.

I'LL ACCEPT IT.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION OF MY CALL FOR QUESTIONING.

ALL IN FAVOR. SAY, I.

I ALL OPPOSED.

SAY NAY, NAY, NAY.

WE'LL CALL DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON.

NAY. MAYOR MEDINA.

J. COUNCILMAN FOSTER NEI.

COUNCILMAN FELIX.

HEY, COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO.

ALL RIGHT, SO THE MOTION FAILS, SO WE NEED A NEW MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A NEW MOTION ON THE FLOOR? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT COUNCILMAN FELIX AS THE DEPUTY, AND I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? AND I WANT TO DISCUSS IT JUST BRIEFLY.

THIS IS NOT A STRIKE AGAINST COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO.

THE REASON I MADE THAT MOTION IS BECAUSE YOU JUST GOT ON THE DYESS AND.

COUNCILMAN FELIX GOT A LITTLE BIT MORE TENURE THAN HIM.

I HAVE NO DESIRE TO BE DEPUTY MAYOR BECAUSE I BELIEVE I GOT ELECTED TO BE A COUNCILMAN.

THAT'S WHY I'M GOING TO STAY.

BUT I THINK THE DEPUTY MAYOR I KIND OF DISAGREE WITH THE MAYOR IS MORE THAN JUST A CEREMONIAL.

IF SOMETHING HAPPENED TO THE MAYOR, THE DEPUTY MAYOR IS GOING TO STEP IN HIS PLACE.

AND. AND WHEN THE MAYOR CANNOT REPRESENT THE CITY, THE DEPUTY MAYOR NEEDS TO BE HIS BACKUP.

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MORE TIME TO GO IN THE DIETS AND HE'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY.

BECAUSE I'M COUNSELING MYSELF OUT.

OH. I AGREE WITH THE MAYOR.

WE NEED TO FIRE. OUR CURRENT DEPUTY MAYOR.

NO, NO. AND GET A NEW ONE AND GET A NEW ONE.

I HOPE THAT'S MY SECTION OF IT.

OKAY, SO.

BUT I THINK WHAT? BOTH OF THESE GENTLEMEN WILL WILL REPRESENT PALM BAY.

WELL, I THINK WHAT? COUNCILMAN FELIX WITH HIS BACKGROUND AND BEING FROM A FOREIGN LAND AND NOW AN AMERICAN, HE'S GOT A UNIQUE STORY.

HE COULD REACH OUT TO THE TO THE HAITIAN COMMUNITY.

JUST HAVING THAT TITLE ALONE WOULD BRING A SENSE OF PRIDE AND BRING PEOPLE WHO MIGHT NOT BE A CITIZEN, MIGHT WANT TO BECOME A CITIZEN, BE A DEPUTY MAYOR. SO I THINK IT BRINGS A LOT MORE CULTURE TO OUR DIETS AND DIVERSITY.

NOT SAYING. COUNCILMAN FEELS.

I MEAN, COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO WOULDN'T DO THAT EITHER, BUT I THINK IT'S HIS TURN IN THE BARREL AND.

COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO. HAVE A LOT MORE YEARS.

THAT SECOND TERM.

WELL, SIR.

SO THAT'S MY THOUGHTS.

OR ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

YEAH, I'D LIKE TO JUST MAKE A COMMENT.

THE FIRST THING I WANT TO SAY IS, DEPUTY MAYOR, YOU'RE NOT BEING FIRED.

I WANT YOU TO. I THINK YOU'VE BEEN.

AND WHEN I AM NOT ABLE TO GO TO A PLACE, YOU KNOW, I'VE ALWAYS SAID, HEY, ARE YOU ABLE TO.

TO MAKE IT? YOU'RE. YOU'RE JOHNNY ON THE SPOT WITH OUR CALENDARS.

AND EVEN THOUGH I'M AT THAT LOCATION, YOU'RE STILL THERE.

SO I COMMEND YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

THREE YEARS. I THINK THAT'S A RECORD BECAUSE YOU SHOULD BE COMMENDED FOR THAT THREE YEARS TO SERVE AND AS AS DEPUTY MAYOR.

SO CONGRATULATIONS FOR THAT.

AND AS FAR AS COUNCILMAN FELIX, I HAVE ALL THE CONFIDENCE THAT YOU WOULD BE A GREAT DEPUTY MAYOR.

I JUST FELT THAT TO REPRESENT PALM BAY.

AND I JUST WANT TO SHARE THIS.

I HAVE I FULLY SUPPORT THIS WHERE YOU ARE THE DEPUTY MAYOR.

BUT TO REPRESENT PALM BAY, I WAS LOOKING AT COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO, BORN AND RAISED HERE.

RIGHT. THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING.

AND IDEALLY, IT DOES HAPPEN.

IDEALLY, IT DOES HAPPEN.

I THINK IT WOULD IT WOULD BE A GREAT REPRESENTATION FOR OUR CITY AS WELL.

THAT HE IS.

THAT'S A LITTLE BOY SAT ON THIS DAIS, YOU KNOW, AS THIS FATHER WAS MAYOR.

BUT I DO SUPPORT AND I DO I DO APPRECIATE.

WILLING TO SERVE AS WELL.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, DEPUTY MAYOR, PLEASE UNDERSTAND YOU'RE NOT FIGHT.

I JUST JOKING. I'M JUST JOKING.

WHEN I MEANT ABOUT THE THE TRADITIONAL TRADITIONALLY WENT FROM COUNCIL MEMBER TO COUNCIL MEMBER WHAT I WAS MEANING THE CEREMONY OF THAT.

THAT'S WHERE I WAS COMING FROM.

ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT.

SO I'M GOING TO CALL THE QUESTION.

ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

ALL OPPOSED, SAY NAY.

PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

CONGRATULATIONS, DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

CONGRATULATIONS. THAT YOU.

NOW, DO WE SWITCH SEATS TODAY? OR WE CAN WAIT.

WE WAIT. WE COULD.

I'M JUST. I'M JUST KIDDING.

I'M JUST KIDDING. I GOT THE GAVEL AGAIN.

ALL RIGHT. SO NOW WE'RE ON COUNCIL REPORTS.

AND GENTLEMEN, THAT WAS A GREAT, HEALTHY DISCUSSION.

[COMMITTEE AND COUNCIL REPORTS]

OR COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO.

THANK YOU. I KNOW YOU TOUCHED ON THIS ALREADY, BUT I JUST WANT TO GIVE THE ACCOLADES TO THE PALM BAY RECREATION DEPARTMENT FOR THEIR HARD WORK AND EFFORTS PROVIDED DURING THE PALM BAY VETERAN'S DAY PARADE.

AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO ONCE AGAIN, I RECOGNIZE THOSE ESSENTIAL PERSONNEL WHO KEPT THE RESIDENTS ROADS AND FACILITIES SAFE DURING HURRICANE NICOLE.

SO REGARDING THE HURRICANE DAMAGE TO THE TO CASTAWAY POINT AND TO STEARNS PARK, I SPOKE WITH THE DIRECTOR OF OUR DISTRICT FOR THE FLORIDA INLAND NAVIGATION DISTRICT AND ABOUT THE POSSIBLE AVAILABILITY OF GRANTS.

AND GERRY SAMPSON, YOU'RE CORRECT.

YES, SIR. JERRY SAMPSON.

MR. SAMPSON. AND HE SAYS THERE'S $3 MILLION AVAILABLE, READILY AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW.

SO I WAS SEEING IF AND IT'S FIRST COME FIRST SERVE.

SO I WAS SEEING IF STAFF WITH COUNCIL APPROVAL, OF COURSE, WE'D BE ABLE TO APPLY FOR THOSE GRANTS POSSIBLY TOMORROW OR MONDAY SINCE IT'S FIRST COME FIRST SERVE AVAILABLE.

WELL, I LIKE THAT IDEA.

HOWEVER, WE'RE ACTUALLY IN A PHASE WHERE WE HAVE TO HAVE A DESIGN.

WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE SCOPE OF THIS IS YET.

WE NEVER HAD A SEAWALL THERE BEFORE.

AND THAT'S ONE OF THE OPTIONS WE'RE LOOKING AT.

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RIGHT. AND THE WAVE ACTION, ETC..

BUT THERE ARE OTHER TYPES OF DESIGNS THAT WE COULD HAVE FOR THE CASTAWAY AREA THAT COULD BE.

IT MORE ESTHETICALLY PLEASING, I'LL SAY.

YOU KNOW WHERE YOU HAVE A MIXTURE OF CERTAIN TYPES OF LANDSCAPING, HARD SCAPING THAT GETS MIXED TOGETHER.

SO WE'RE WE'RE IN A I LOVE THE IDEA OF USING FINE GRANT MONEY, SO WE WILL DEFINITELY PURSUE THAT.

I JUST DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SUBMIT IN TERMS OF APPLICATION YET BECAUSE WE'RE AT THE BEGINNING STAGES, BUT STAFF IS WORKING FAST ON THAT BECAUSE THEY KNOW HOW CRITICAL THIS ITEM IS AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO REBUILD A PIER THERE ANYWAY? OR WERE WE IN THE WORKS OF REBUILDING UP HERE? YES, INTERESTINGLY. SO WE HAD ALREADY WE'D ALREADY BEEN ON THAT PATH.

THE SCOPE WAS DONE, THE VENDOR WAS SELECTED.

AND SO THAT'S GOING TO CONTINUE, WHICH IS GOOD.

SO THAT THAT THAT PART OF THE PROJECT IS UNFAZED BY THIS SITUATION, WHICH IS SOMETHING GOOD.

OKAY. WELL, I JUST WANTED STAFF TO KNOW ABOUT THE $3 MILLION IT'S READILY AVAILABLE FROM FROM FIND.

SO IF YOU SEE SOMETHING, PLEASE, PLEASE SUBMIT.

AND THEN I HAD AN INTERESTING CONVERSATION WITH THE MELBOURNE VETERANS DAY PARADE, AND I HAD A YOUNG A YOUNG MAN COME UP TO ME, A GRANT DACOSTA, AND HE HE WANTED AN UPDATE REGARDING THE FLAGPOLE ON EMERSON.

SO YEAH, THERE'S A, THERE'S A BIG CELL TOWER OUT THERE.

AND ON THE CELL TOWER THERE USED TO BE A MASSIVE FLAG FLYING.

THE FLAG HAS BEEN GONE FOR A YEAR OR SO NOW AND I'VE HEARD A COUPLE OTHER PEOPLE COME UP AND SPEAK ABOUT THIS FLAG.

SO, MISS SHERMAN, IF YOU IF YOU'D LIKE TO I KNOW YOU SENT OUT AN EMAIL TODAY, BUT IF YOU'D LIKE TO GIVE THE UPDATE TO MR. GRANT, CERTAINLY WE ALL ARE ROOTING FOR THE FLAG TO RETURN.

NO QUESTION. IT IS AN AT&T CELL TOWER THAT'S RIGHT THERE AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE FIRE HEADQUARTERS SECTION OF LIBERTY PARK, AT&T.

WE TALKED TO THEM AGAIN RECENTLY AS WE DID THE LAST TIME THIS CAME UP.

AND THEY'VE TOLD US THEY'RE WORKING ON, I GUESS, SOME SORT OF REPAIRS OR UPDATING TO THAT TOWER.

SO UNTIL THEY'RE DONE WITH THAT PROJECT, WHATEVER IT IS, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO EVEN THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PUT THE FLAG BACK UP.

BUT WE WILL CONTINUE TO STAY ON IT AND CHECK IN WITH THEM.

AND HOPEFULLY THEIR PROJECT DOESN'T TAKE TOO MUCH LONGER, BUT WE WILL KEEP IT ON OUR RADAR.

THANK YOU, MS.. SHERMAN. AND THEN ALSO ON THE NEXT SUBJECT FOR THE NEXT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WORKSHOP MEETING, YOU SAID IT WAS DECEMBER 1ST AT 5 P.M..

THAT'S CORRECT. IT IS DECEMBER 1ST, BUT I BELIEVE IT IS 6 P.M..

6 P.M. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT.

SO FOR THE RECORD THERE, AND ALSO JUST TO REMIND RESIDENTS THAT THE BUDGET ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS HOSTING THEIR BRING YOUR TAX BILL WORKSHOP ON DECEMBER 14TH.

THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORTS. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO.

AND JUST TO HIGHLIGHT, MADAM SHERMAN JERRY SAMPSON DISCUSSED THE $3 MILLION GRANT OPPORTUNITY AT OUR SPACE COAST LEAGUE OF CITIES MEETING, AND THAT'S WHERE EVERYONE'S EARS GOT PERT.

SO I COMMEND COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO TO BE THE FIRST ONE TO THE LINE, SO TO SPEAK.

SO THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT UP, COUNCILMAN COUNCILMAN, OR SHOULD I SAY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX? THANK YOU, MAYOR. I DON'T HAVE MUCH OF A REPORT, BUT I'D JUST LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY THANK COUNCIL.

DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON, OUTGOING DEPUTY MAYOR, THANK YOU FOR THE NOMINATION.

AND TRULY, AS I'VE BEEN DOING THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS AND AND I VOWED TO CONTINUE SERVING, SERVING THIS COMMUNITY, BE IT SERVICE OF STAFF AND SERVING MY COLLEAGUES WELL IN ANY CAPACITY POSSIBLE.

AGAIN, I'M VERY HUMBLE AND YOU KNOW THE OPPORTUNITY SO MUCH.

COUNCILMAN FELIX.

AND CONGRATULATIONS AGAIN, COUNCILMAN FOSTER.

YEAH, I HAVE A LOT.

BUT I'M GOING TO. I'M GOING TO JUST.

UM. WE LOST A GOOD NONPROFIT IN THIS COMMUNITY CALLED THE SOURCE. ITEM THAT GOT PULLED.

IT WAS FOR THE HELP THE HOMELESS.

AND IT WAS A GOOD ITEM.

THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY BACKED OUT BECAUSE HE WAS THREATENED BY FACEBOOK GROUP AND HE WAS PERSUADED NOT TO SELL THE PROPERTY.

I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH TONY THIS MORNING WHEN I HEARD ABOUT IT.

AND THAT'S A LOSS FOR THE CITY.

BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THE DIGNITY BUS WILL BE COMING BACK.

I HOPE I'M WRONG.

I'M GOING TO BE STILL TRYING TO TALK TO TONY ABOUT THAT.

BUT I WOULD LIKE THE CITY MANAGER AND WITH THE REACH OUT TO THE SOURCE AND SEE IF WE COULD STILL HAVE THEM BE A PRESENT IN THE CITY FOR THE HOMELESS.

AND I HAVE A LITTLE HARSH WORDS, BUT I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO RESERVE THEM.

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I THINK I HAVE DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY MANAGER ABOUT CELL TOWERS, THE CELL SERVICE AND PALM BAY.

I DON'T KNOW. THE ONLY ADJECTIVE THAT I COULD COME UP WITH IS SUCKS.

VERIZON, AT&T, T-MOBILE.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT SERVICE YOU HAVE.

I HAVE VERIZON.

AND IT JUST GOT WORSE.

AND THEN I KNOW I HAD THIS DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY MANAGER.

CAN YOU UPDATE US ON THIS TOPIC? CERTAINLY I'LL DO THE NON TECHNICAL VERSION AND BRIAN ROBINSON OR I.T.

DIRECTOR CAN CORRECT ME ON EVERYTHING I SAY THAT'S WRONG.

BUT ESSENTIALLY, YEAH, WE'VE WE'VE HAD MEETINGS WITH THE VERIZON REPRESENTATIVES AS AN EXAMPLE, AND THEY HAVE BEEN VERY, VERY CLEAR WITH US THAT THE AMOUNT OF INFRASTRUCTURE THEY HAVE HAS NOT KEPT PACE WITH THE GROWTH IN THE CITY.

SO THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE USING THE AVAILABLE BANDWIDTH, I'LL SAY, FOR INTERNET SERVICES WITH ALL THE DEVICES THAT ARE CONNECTING CONSTANTLY, IT JUST HASN'T KEPT UP.

SO IN OUR MEETINGS WITH VERIZON, THEY HAVE SHOWN US THEIR CAPITAL INVESTMENT PLAN FOR THE CITY.

SO THEY DO HAVE PLANS TO UPDATE EXISTING CELL TOWERS TO ADD NEW INFRASTRUCTURE, NEW TOWERS IN PLACES ESPECIALLY LIKE IN THE SOUTH WHERE WE HAVE NOT HAD MUCH. BUT ALL THAT TAKES TIME.

SO THAT'S THAT'S ABOUT ALL I KNOW, LIKE JUST FROM MEMORY.

BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY GET YOU MORE DETAILS BY WAY OF AN UPDATE AS TO WHAT THEIR THEIR MORE IMMINENT PLANS ARE TO MAKE IT BETTER.

THEY THEY DID ONE IMPROVEMENT RECENTLY TO THE TOWER THAT IS ALONG 95 SOUTH OF PALM BAY ROAD.

BUT ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE ROAD AND YOU ACCESS IT I THINK OFF OF RIVIERA, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.

SO THEY ACTUALLY DID AN UPDATE TO THAT PARTICULAR TOWER AND WE HAVE NOTICED AN IMPROVEMENT ON THE CITY SIDE.

FOR EXAMPLE, WE WOULD HAVE ISSUES WITH OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT FOLKS CONNECTING AND GETTING GETTING ONLINE, ETC.

IN THEIR MOBILE UNITS AND THAT THAT HAS BEEN A NOTICEABLE IMPROVEMENT.

SO THEY ARE MAKING EFFORTS, BUT DEFINITELY I THINK THEY ALL RECOGNIZE THE ISSUE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT IT.

AND ANYTHING WE COULD DO AS A CITY TO IMPROVE OURSELVES.

SERVICE. I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE IS MUCH WE CAN DO OTHER THAN CONTINUE TO APPLY PRESSURE TO THE LOCAL TELECOM PROVIDERS AND TRY TO EXPRESS TO THEM HOW IMPORTANT IT IS AND KEEP KEEP OUR VOICES IN THEIR EARS TO MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO US FOR NOT JUST THE CITY SERVICES, OBVIOUSLY, BUT ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS.

WE DO HAVE CELL TOWERS ON CITY PROPERTY, RIGHT? WE ABSOLUTELY DO. YES.

AND MY FINAL THING IS.

MAN, I WAS JUST KIDDING ABOUT FIRING DEPUTY MAYOR KENNY JOHNSON.

I WOULD HAVE FIRED HIM.

BUT. BUT I WANT TO SAY THIS.

WE JUST HAD AN ELECTION AND COUNCILMAN KENNY JOHNSON WENT THROUGH HELL.

IT WAS ATTACKED.

HE WAS EVEN TRIED TO CHARGE HIM WITH A CRIME THAT HE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING HE DIDN'T COMMIT, BUT INSTEAD SAID HE THREATENED SOMEONE AND HE DIDN'T THREATEN NO ONE TO PUT OUT MAILERS.

IT COST THE CITY THE FOAM, THE RING OFF THE HOOK.

BECAUSE A, THROUGH EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO THE BOOK AT THEM.

AND. TO GO THROUGH.

THAT IS DISGUSTING.

ELECTION IS A COMPETITION.

IT'S A RACE SHOULDN'T BE MADE A PERSONAL ATTACK ON SOMEONE CHARACTER.

YEAH, AND I'M TALKING ABOUT ANYBODY ON THIS DIET.

IT'S OKAY IF YOU DON'T SUPPORT SOMEONE AND YOU SUPPORT SOMEBODY ELSE.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

IT'S A RACE. YOU KNOW, YOU COMPETING FOR VOTES, BUT IT SHOULDN'T BE A PERSONAL ATTACK.

OKAY. AND I RAN A COUPLE OF RACES.

I NEVER ATTACKED MY OPPONENT.

THEY'VE ATTACKED JOHN DERBYSHIRE AND I NEVER ATTACKED THOMAS GOMM.

BUT I WAS ATTACKED.

OKAY. SO WE NEED TO MAKE POLICY.

WE NEED TO MAKE POLITICAL.

A POLITICAL RACE NONVIOLENT.

NOT PERSONAL. OKAY GOING FORWARD.

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AND IT STARTS AT THE LOCAL LEVEL AND IT WORKS HIS WAY UP.

SO I APPRECIATE YOUR DEPUTY MAYOR.

I APPRECIATE YOU RUNNING THIS RACE.

MOST PEOPLE WOULD HAVE BAILED OUT AFTER THE ATTACKS THAT THEY PUT ON YOU.

MOST PEOPLE THAT HAVE FOLDED UP THEIR TENT AND WENT HOME.

THAT SHOWS YOU A CHARACTER THAT SHOWS YOUR LEADERSHIP.

AND I WANT TO QUOTE.

SOMETHING FROM DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING.

RETURNING HATE FOR HATE MULTIPLIES HATE.

ADD IN A DEEPER DARKNESS TO A NIGHT THAT'S ALREADY DEVELOPED WITH STARS.

THE DARKNESS CANNOT DRIVE OUT DARKNESS.

ONLY LIGHT COULD DO THAT.

HATE CANNOT DRIVE OUT HATE.

ONLY LOVE COULD DO THAT.

AND DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON.

THE CITY SHOWED YOU A LOT OF LOVE.

54% OF THE CITY AGREED WITH YOU BEING ON THIS DIET.

YOU NOT ONLY BEAT YOUR OPPONENT, BUT YOU BEAT RACISM.

YOU BEAT HATRED.

AND I WAS OUT THERE AT THE POLLS AND I WAS SUPPORTING.

I WAS SUPPORTING DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON.

I MADE IT PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, AND I HAD SO MANY PEOPLE STICK UP THERE, MAKE A MIDDLE FINGER AT ME AND SAY NASTY THINGS AT ME BECAUSE I WAS HOLDING HIS SIGN.

AND I SAID TO THEM, YOU DON'T HAVE TO VOTE FOR THEM.

YOU CAN VOTE FOR WHOEVER YOU WANT.

I NEVER TALKED BAD ABOUT HIS OPPONENT.

BUT I WAS GIVEN THE MIDDLE FINGER.

I WAS GIVEN NASTY WORDS TOWARDS ME AND I WAS JUST HOLDING HIS SIGN.

THAT'S UNACCEPTABLE.

I DON'T WISH THAT ON ANYBODY ON THIS DIET OR ANY CANDIDATE RUNNING FOR IT.

IT IS NOT EASY TO BE A CANDIDATE.

WILL OFFICE. YOU PUT YOURSELF OUT THERE.

AND EVERYBODY IS NOT PERFECT.

EVERYBODY. WE ARE ALL A CHILD OF GOD.

WE ALL HAVE MISTAKES.

WE ALL DONE SOMETHING IN THE PAST.

YOU SHOULDN'T BE CONDEMNED ABOUT THAT FOREVER FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE.

WE'RE NOT PERFECT AND WE'RE NOT PERFECT POLITICIAN.

WE MAKE MISTAKES.

BUT YOU SHOULDN'T TRY TO DEMEAN HIS CHARACTER.

YOU SHOULDN'T ATTACK HIS GRANDMOTHER.

HIS PARENTS.

THAT'S OFF LIMITS.

HE'S NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT, BUT I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT.

IT'S NOT RIGHT. CITY OF PALM BAY ORDERED THEM BACK IN.

AND I'M GOING TO LEAVE IT AT THAT.

WE GOT TO DO BETTER.

WE'VE GOT TO LEAD THIS NASTINESS.

ALONE. WHAT RACE, CREED OR BACKGROUND YOU FROM? NOBODY DESERVED THAT.

OR WHAT PART ARE YOU FROM? NOBODY DESERVED THAT.

CONGRATULATIONS, COUNCILMAN KENNY JOHNSON.

COUNCILMAN OR DEPUTY MAYOR.

THANK YOU. WE'LL END THE MEETING WITH DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON.

YEAH. YOU KNOW, FIRST I'LL START OFF.

THANK YOU GUYS FOR HAVING ME SERVED FOR THREE YEARS.

DEPUTY MAYOR. PREVIOUSLY, LAST TIME.

I'LL TRY TO GIVE IT AWAY, BUT Y'ALL DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE IT, SO AT LEAST SOMEBODY ELSE CAN SERVE.

JUST MAKE SURE YOU STAY ON TOP OF THE COMMENT CARDS.

BUT I HAVE SEVERAL THINGS TO ADDRESS.

I'M GONNA TRY TO GO AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

SPACE COAST LEAGUE OF CITIES.

THIS IS TOWARDS YOU, MISS SUZANNE.

WE SPOKE EARLIER, BUT IN REGARDS TO OUR MONTHLY MEETINGS, IT'S PUBLICLY KNOWN WHERE EACH MEETING IS GOING TO BE AND WHERE EVERY ELECTED OFFICIAL IN THE COUNTY IS GOING TO BE AT.

BUT WE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE ANY SAFETY MEASURES OTHER THAN THOSE WHO CONCEALED CARRY THERE.

SO ONE THING THAT WE HAD SPOKEN ABOUT WAS PAYING THE CITY THAT'S HOSTING FOR THE MONTH.

PAYING OVERTIME FOR A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER TO BE PRESENT AT THAT MEETING TO MAKE SURE SECURITY MEASURES ARE IN PLACE.

I WAS HAPPY BECAUSE THE MAYOR AND MYSELF ORIGINALLY, THEY WANTED TO PAY A PRIVATE SECURITY FIRM TO DO IT.

AND ME AND THE MAYOR WERE RIGHT ON CUE ON IT SAYING NO, LIKE, HEY, LET'S SPEND THOSE DOLLARS LOCAL.

WE HAVE MEN AND WOMEN THAT ARE MORE THAN CAPABLE OF PROVIDING THE SECURITY FOR ALL THESE MEN AND WOMEN WHO SERVE IN ELECTED CAPACITY.

SO THAT WAS THE FIRST THING.

BUT TO THAT POINT, I WANT TO TOUCH ON IT FROM A CITY OF PALM BAY EMPLOYEE STANDPOINT AND JUST GIVE A BASIC SCENARIO.

I KNOW, COUNCILMAN FOSTER, YOU'RE WORKING ON THE SECURITY OF OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BUT I ALSO WANT TO ADD TO THAT AS WELL IN REGARDS TO EMPLOYEE CONCEALED CARRY. CURRENTLY SOME WE HAVE LAW ENFORCEMENT UP FRONT, BUT IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO HAVE A MEETING WITH COUNCILMAN KENNY JOHNSON, THEY CAN WALK BY WITH THEIR PIECE

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SO OR WITH OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS WHO RUN INTO SOME OF THESE MISHAPS OR PUBLIC WORKS THAT RUN INTO SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE VERY CONFRONTATIONAL.

SO WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR, BREVARD COUNTY'S HAD IT IN PLACE FOR SIX YEARS SINCE 2016, AND I'M LOOKING TO HAVE SOME SIMILAR ORDINANCE IN PLACE FOR THOSE THAT ARE CURRENTLY, YOU KNOW, ALREADY LICENSED CONCEALED CARRIERS THAT WORK FOR THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

SO THAT WAY WE CAN LOOK INTO MAKING SURE THEY'RE THEY'RE ABLE TO BE SAFE AS WELL, BECAUSE THEY'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE THEM WHEN THEY'RE A CITIZEN.

WHY NOT HAVE IT AS A WORKER AS WELL? SO I'M JUST LOOKING FOR COUNCIL CONSENSUS ON THAT.

YOU KNOW WHAT, DEPUTY MAYOR? I GOT TO TELL YOU, WHEN WE HAD THAT THAT INCIDENT ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, THAT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I BROUGHT UP TO THE CITY MANAGER SYSTEM.

I'M ALL ON BOARD WITH THAT.

THE COUNTY DOES IT.

WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO PROTECT OUR OWN WITHIN OURSELVES.

MOST PEOPLE THAT ARE CONCEALED CARRY WEAPON OR PERMIT INDIVIDUALS THAT WELL TRAINED, THEY STAY ON POINT WITH THEIR TRAINING.

AND I KNOW I BELIEVE YOU ARE AS AS I AM AS WELL.

AND AND IT'S ANOTHER LAYER OF PROTECTING OUR EMPLOYEES.

THEY CAN CARRY OUTSIDE, BUT THEY CAN'T CARRY WITHIN THE CONFINES OF OF THEIR THEIR EMPLOYMENT AND THAT ONE INCIDENT. COULD HAVE REALLY ENDED IN A HORRIFIC SITUATION IN THE HISTORY OF OUR CITY.

SO ANY OTHER LAYER OF SECURITY, I'M ALL ON BOARD.

AS I SAID, I SPOKE WITH ACTUALLY THE FORMER POLICE CHIEF AND AND MADAM SHERMAN.

BUT YEAH, I THINK YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE SPOT ON WITH THAT ONE.

I FULLY SUPPORT THAT.

AND I'D LIKE TO HEAR, OF COURSE, THE REST OF THE COUNCIL, BUT I'M SURE THERE'LL BE SOME.

SOME ISSUES THAT THAT WE HAVE TO WORK THROUGH.

WE HAVE TO. BUT I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.

I THINK THE COUNTY DID IT A WHILE AGO AND I THINK WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO FOLLOW SUIT.

THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.

I'M GOING TO GO AND SURVEY THE REST OF THE COUNCIL.

COUNCILMAN FOSTER, YOU'RE YOU'RE THE NEXT ONE NEXT TO ME.

WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? NO, IT'S.

LET ME. SAY THIS A PERSON WHO CARRIED A SIDE ON FOR HIS OCCUPATION FOR.

I'M 28 YEARS.

28 YEARS A PERSON LIVED IN WASHINGTON, D.C., A PERSON WHO GREW UP IN NEW YORK CITY.

PERSON WHO LIVED IN NEW ORLEANS.

AND ON THE BORDER, DEL RIO.

OR A PERSON WHO'S BEEN THREATENED.

SHOT AT. AND I DON'T CARRY A GUN ON ME NOW.

I HAVE A CONCEALED PERMIT.

AND I DO HAVE A FIREARM.

I BELIEVE IN THE SECOND AMENDMENT.

BUT I WOULDN'T SUPPORT THIS.

BECAUSE IT'S AN AWESOME RESPONSIBILITY AND.

AND WHY I WOULDN'T SUPPORT IT BECAUSE CARRYING A FIREARM ON YOU.

COME. THE WORK IS NOT A.

IT'S NOT A GOOD THING. IT'S A LOT OF RESPONSIBILITY AND TO MAKE A DECISION AND THE CHIEF KNOWS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT TO MAKE THAT SPLIT SECOND DECISION TO USE IT. THINK ABOUT THINK ABOUT THIS.

AND I HAVE FRIENDS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT DISAGREE WITH ME ON US.

BUT. WHY DO YOU LEASE OFF THE TRAIN? AND THEY CARRY A GUN WITH THEM.

THEY GO THROUGH A LOT OF FIREARM TRAINING.

THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE TRAINING THAT THEY HAVE TO GO TO.

AND THEY GET THEIR GUNS TAKEN FROM THEM AND THEY GET SHOT WITH THEIR OWN GUN.

A GUN IS NOT.

WHAT'S GOING TO PROTECT YOU? IS THIS RIGHT HERE? YOU KNOW WHERE YOU'RE SURROUNDING.

THAT'S WHY I WALK AROUND PALM BAY WOOD.

I SHOULDN'T BE SAYING THIS.

SOMEBODY MIGHT WANT TO COME AND SHOOT ME OR SOMETHING, BUT I DON'T CARE IF MY GUN WITH ME.

ANY TIME I WALK INTO WINN-DIXIE, PUBLIX OR ANY RESTAURANT, MY INTENTIONS ARE ALWAYS UP.

I DON'T KNOW WHO.

IS THE THREAT. AND BEING IN LAW ENFORCEMENT.

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OR MAYBE PARANOID, MAYBE NOT, BUT THAT'S JUST TRAINING.

AND I'M SAYING EVERY CITIZEN NEEDS TO BE THAT WAY.

BUT THE MORE GUNS WE HAVE OUT THERE, THE MORE POTENTIAL SOMEONE GETTING HURT.

AND MORE LIKELY THE PERSON WHO CARRYING A GUN MIGHT ACCIDENTALLY DISCHARGE AND SHOOT HERSELF OR THEIR COLLEAGUES.

THAT HAPPENS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT ALL THE TIME ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

SO. I'M FOR PROTECTING OUR EMPLOYEES.

MAYOR, THE DEPUTY MAYOR.

I'M ALL FOR THAT.

BUT I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO OUR MEN AND WOMEN IN THE BLUE UNIFORM.

AND THAT'S THE WAY I FEEL ABOUT THAT.

IF THEY'RE IN THIS SITUATION, BACK OUT.

ALL PALM BAY POLICE.

AND WE'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.

COUNCILWOMAN. FELIX.

YOUR MAYOR. I DON'T I DON'T HAVE MUCH OF, YOU KNOW, LAW ENFORCEMENT EXPERIENCE.

NO WAY I CARRY A GUN OR I'M EVEN LICENSED TO CARRY.

BUT I TEND TO THERE'S A LOT OF LOGIC TO WHAT COUNCILMAN COUNCILMAN FOSTER'S ARGUMENT.

I WOULD NOT BE IN SUPPORT OF THAT EITHER.

I THINK WHAT WHAT WE THE WAY WE SHOULD LOOK AT IT IS PROBABLY REINFORCE THE SECURITY SYSTEM WE HAVE ON CAMPUS.

I KNOW WE DISCUSSED THAT MAYBE A MATTER OF FUNDING.

UM, I KNOW WE DO A POLICE PRESENCE IN ALL LOBBY.

HOWEVER, WE CAN INCREASE THAT, MAYBE MAKE A FACILITY, MAKE THE CAMPUS MORE SECURE.

I WOULD BE MORE IN SUPPORT OF THAT THAN.

ALLOWING ALL. VERY.

BUT. THANK YOU.

THE PREMIER FELIX.

COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. YEAH, I'M.

I'M. I'M COMPLETELY IN SUPPORT OF THIS.

I HAD TO PUSH BACK IN MY COLLEGE DAYS, AND I RECEIVED MY MY COLLEGE, MY CONCEALED WEAPONS PERMIT.

WE WEREN'T ALLOWED TO CARRY ANY TYPE OF WEAPON ON COLLEGE CAMPUS.

I FELT THAT WAS THAT WAS WRONG.

BUT EVENTUALLY WE ASKED FOR CONCEALED CARRY.

IN GENERAL, WE WERE ABLE TO JUST GET A STUN GUN OR ANYTHING THAT DOESN'T FIRE PROJECTILE, WHICH WHICH IS FINE, TOO.

SO I WAS PART OF THAT LITTLE PUSH THERE BACK IN WHEN I FIRST TURNED 2122.

NOW I'M COOL WITH THIS AS WELL.

SO THANK YOU. SO I THINK.

DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON, YOU HAVE THREE, THREE INDIVIDUALS.

MADAM DEPUTY MAYOR.

YES. YES, SIR. AND I HOPE BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, THE COUNTY'S HAD IT IN SIX FOR SIX YEARS AND THERE'S BEEN NO ISSUE.

SO I HOPE THAT IN BRINGING IT FORWARD AND AND YOU SEE THE LANGUAGE, ONCE WE'RE DONE WITH IT, I'M GOING TO WORK WITH STAFF CHIEF EVERYONE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST ON CAMPUS.

A LOT OF OUR PEOPLE, PUBLIC WORKS, CELT, CODE ENFORCEMENT, THEY'RE OUT AND THEY'RE OUT IN THE STREET SOMETIMES DURING HURRICANES AND EVERYTHING.

AND THERE MIGHT BE A RESIDENT THAT COMES ACROSS THEM.

AND WE KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN CONFRONTATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN HEATED AND THAT'S BEEN OFF OF CITY PREMISES.

SO I'M JUST LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THE FUNDING PART.

FUNDING PART OF IT. BUT I HOPE THAT WHEN I BRING IT FORTH AND YOU SEE THE LANGUAGE THAT IT WILL, IT'LL MAKE A LITTLE MORE SENSE OF WHAT I'M TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.

SO THAT'S ALL.

THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR. THREE THREE MORE QUICK THINGS IN REGARDS TO THE SOURCE.

I WAS DEFINITELY VERY DISAPPOINTED WITH THIS OUTCOME.

YOU KNOW, HERE'S AN ORGANIZATION WITH A PERSON WHO'S FROM THIS WHO LIVES IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT WAS PROVIDING A SOLUTION WHEN NOBODY ELSE IS PROVIDING A SOLUTION.

A LOT OF THE TIMES WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE WHO WILL POINT OUT A PROBLEM, BUT THEY WON'T PROVIDE A SOLUTION ALONGSIDE WITH THAT, OR THEY'LL POKE HOLES AT THE SOLUTION.

BECAUSE IT DOESN'T.

BECAUSE EITHER THEY DIDN'T COME UP WITH IT OR THEY DON'T AGREE WITH IT.

HERE THE SOURCE. THEY DID A GREAT JOB WITH THE DIGNITY BUS WITH THIS PROJECT.

THEY WERE LOOKING NOT ONLY TO ADDRESS MENTAL ABUSE BUT DRUG DRUG ABUSE.

AND THEY'RE LOOKING TO CREATE JOBS THROUGH CULINARY SCHOOL, THROUGH.

YOU KNOW, WE SEE IT WE SEE IT EVEN NOW, TWO YEARS AFTER COVID.

A LOT OF THESE RESTAURANTS ARE SHORT STAFFED AND THAT'S WHAT'S TAKEN A LONG TIME.

SO THEY'RE LOOKING TO HELP GET THESE HOMELESS.

YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT JUST SAYING, HEY, HERE'S A HOUSE MOVE IN.

THEY'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM, YOU KNOW, MENTAL HEALTH, DRUG ABUSE AND GETTING THEM QUALIFIED TO WORK.

YOU KNOW, SO HERE WE HAVE SEVERAL INDIVIDUALS OR WHOEVER THAT WERE BULLYING.

MARK, THIS GENTLEMAN, HE'S BEEN HERE FOR DECADES WITH CHECKMARKS, PROVIDING GREAT SERVICE AND GREAT FOOD AND BULLYING HIM INTO NOT SELLING

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AND I'M SPEAKING AGAINST IT BECAUSE THAT IS NOT RIGHT.

THAT IS NOT RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND IF THE LOCATION IS THE ISSUE.

UNDERSTAND IF YOU THINK IT COULD BE IN A BETTER PLACE.

BUT. RIGHT. PROVIDE A SOLUTION.

PROVIDE A BETTER PLACE BECAUSE THERE'S NO THERE'S GOING TO BE NO PERFECT ANSWER FOR EVERYONE.

BUT TONY HAS BEEN NOTHING BUT AN ASSET TO THE CITY.

SO IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THIS HAPPENED.

YOU KNOW, WE HAD TEARS WITH ARPA THAT WE WANTED TO ADDRESS.

WE WANTED TO ADDRESS AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WANTS TO ADDRESS MENTAL ABUSE, DRUG ABUSE.

EVERYTHING. AND I FELT WITH THE AWARDING OF THE FUNDS, WE WERE ADDRESSING ALL OF THAT.

BUT HERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A GAP NOW BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE IS REALLY ADDRESSING MENTAL ABUSE, DRUG ABUSE AND, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING JOBS LIKE I FEEL THE SAUCE WAS GOING TO DO AND SOMETHING THEY'VE BEEN DOING IN ZERO.

SO THIS IS VERY DISCOURAGING.

I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN WORK WITH THEM TO FIND, YOU KNOW, A BETTER SOLUTION.

I'LL BE GOING TO CHECK MYSELF TOMORROW.

SO HOPEFULLY I RUN INTO MARK AND CAN TALK TO HIM.

BUT THIS WAS DEAD WRONG.

THIS WAS WRONG. AND I'M.

I'M. I'M WITH YOU, COUNCILMAN FOSTER, BECAUSE THIS SHOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED THIS WAY.

ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, A DAY BEFORE THE AWARDING OF THE FUNDS ARE SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN.

SO THAT THAT THAT WASN'T RIGHT.

BUT ON A BRIGHTER NOTE, I'LL PASS PAST THAT.

BUT ON A BRIGHTER NOTE, I DON'T THINK WE DO A GREAT ENOUGH JOB ACKNOWLEDGING.

KRISTEN, ANGELA AND ROSEMARY, THEY ARE LIKE AND BILL BENTON LAUGHING RIGHT NOW BECAUSE HE KNOWS THEY ARE THE FRONT LINE IN REGARDS TO THE CITY OF PALM BAY OTHER THAN MICHAEL DOWNSTAIRS.

SO WHEN SOMEBODY IS CALLING AND THEY'RE HEATED AND THEY'RE CALLING THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, THEY'RE EITHER GOING TO GET KRISTEN OR ANGELA AND THEY DO AN AMAZING JOB DE-ESCALATING OR GETTING TO THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM TO FIND A SOLUTION OR GET THEM CONNECTED TO WHO THEY NEED TO GET CONNECTED TO.

AND STAYING WITH MISS ROSEMARY.

WHEN WHEN WHEN IT COMES TO THE BASE.

ALEX GOLF COURSE OR GRACE PLACE DAILY BREAD AND THEY'RE ALL GOING TO CALL CITY HALL.

USUALLY THEY'RE GETTING A HOLD OF ROSEMARY FIRST AND SHE'S SUCH A SWEET WOMAN.

SHE'S LIKE ANOTHER MOM TO ME.

BUT SHE DOES A GREAT JOB OF SHOWING COMPASSION AND UNDERSTANDING AND SPEAKING TO EVERY RESIDENT THAT CALLS HER.

SO I JUST WANTED TO I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO FOR THEM.

SO I'M JUST PUBLICLY ACKNOWLEDGING THEM.

THEY PROBABLY DON'T EVEN WE'LL SEE THIS, BUT I APPRECIATE THEIR EFFORTS.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YOU CAN PLAY IT BACK.

SO I APPRECIATE THE EFFORTS AND I APPRECIATE THE TIME.

LAST THING WHEN WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.

MY FRATERNITY BROTHERS WILL HATE ME IF I DIDN'T.

TODAY MARKS 111 YEARS.

MY FRATERNITY OMEGA SCI FI FRATERNITY INC.

WE OUR FOUNDING PRINCIPLES WHERE MANHOOD, SCHOLARSHIP, PERSEVERANCE AND UPLIFT.

AND WE HAVE FRATERNITY MEMBERS LIKE MICHAEL JORDAN, STEPHEN SMITH, SHAQUILLE O'NEAL.

THE LIST GOES ON AND ON.

BUT TO YOUR POINT, COUNCILMAN FOSTER, YOU SPEAKING ABOUT SOME OF THE STUFF I WENT THROUGH AND YOU KNOW, THE VALUE OF FRATERNITY, WE WE SPEAK ON SEVERAL PRINCIPLES, BUT WE ALSO HAVE A POEM THAT WE REALLY QUOTE.

WE HAVE IT MEMORIZED, AND IT'S CALLED SEE IT THROUGH.

BUT I GUESS WHEN YOU'RE UP AGAINST THE TROUBLE, MEET IT SQUARELY FACE TO FACE, LIFT YOUR CHIN AND SET YOUR SHOULDERS, PLANT YOUR FEET AND TAKE A BRACE.

WHEN IT'S VAIN TO TRY TO DOUBT YOU DO THE BEST THAT YOU CAN DO.

YOU MAY FAIL, BUT YOU MAY CONQUER.

SEE IT THROUGH. THAT'S ONLY ONE STANZA.

BUT I'VE LIVED THAT.

I'VE LEARNED THAT OVER THE PAST DECADE THAT I'VE BEEN IN THIS FRATERNITY.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT ALL OF US CAN LIVE IN.

YOU KNOW, BREATHE.

SEE IT THROUGH AS MANY DAYS WHERE YOU DON'T FEEL LIKE GETTING YOUR KIDS READY FOR SCHOOL.

SEE IT THROUGH. THERE'S GOING TO BE DAYS THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE PUBLICLY ATTACK YOU OR SAY THINGS OR HARASS YOUR FAMILY.

YOU SEE IT THROUGH. THERE'S GOING BE DAYS WHERE PEOPLE COME AND WE'LL TAKE PERSONAL SHOTS AT YOU, MAYOR, FROM THE DYESS.

BUT YOU SEE IT THROUGH.

THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.

SO I APPRECIATE THE WORDS, COUNCILMAN FOSTER, AND I APPRECIATE THE VOTE OF CONFIDENCE CITY OF PALM BAY, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO SEE IT THROUGH TOGETHER FOR THE NEXT FOUR YEARS AND THE NEXT 40 YEARS AND THE NEXT 100 YEARS.

SO WE'RE GOING TO SEE IT THROUGH TOGETHER.

SO THANK YOU, GUYS.

THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR INSPIRING US.

THAT WAS VERY INSPIRATIONAL.

DEPUTY MAYOR I GUESS I CAN CALL HIM DEPUTY MAYOR TILL HE TOOK UNTIL THE MEETING'S OVER.

RIGHT. BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS REALLY INSPIRATIONAL.

YOUR COMMENTS.

I GUESS I'M GOING TO START OUT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.

YOU KNOW I LOVE WHAT YOU SPOKE ABOUT, ROSEMARY.

RIGHT. YOU KNOW SHE'S GOING TO RETIRE.

AND THAT THAT AND I'VE ALREADY ASKED THREE HOW YOU'RE GOING TO REPLACE HER.

RIGHT. SO BUT SHE IS GOD BLESS HER.

SHE HER DEMEANOR IS PERFECT FOR THAT POSITION, AND SO IS ANGELA AND KRISTEN.

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BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I'M EXCITED ABOUT? YOU KNOW THAT.

I'M EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

BUT TODAY WE CAN ALL CELEBRATE THE ACHIEVEMENTS OF ONE OF OUR VERY OWN EMPLOYEES.

WE HAVE AN APPOINTED DEPUTY CITY MANAGER AMONG US TODAY, JULIA MOSCONI.

CONGRATULATIONS. REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE ALL YOUR HARD WORK, MA'AM.

REALLY PROUD OF YOUR NEW POSITION.

AND THEN I ALSO WANTED TO JUST REMIND COUNCIL IN OUR CITY MANAGER.

THOSE LETTERS TO FDA REGARDING THE I-95 CORRIDOR.

I THINK WE NEED TO REALLY STEP THAT UP.

I THINK WE'VE GOT A MEETING COMING UP PRETTY SOON.

DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX AND COUNCILMAN FOSTER WITH WITH THE SPACE COAST LEAGUE OF CITIES.

I REALLY THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE THAT BEFORE WE HAVE OUR NEXT MEETING.

AND I REALLY WOULD WANT TO DRUM THEIR SUPPORT ON THAT.

THAT IS AS WELL.

SO I THINK WE SHOULD REALLY HEIGHTEN THAT AWARENESS.

AND THEN I WANTED TO END MY COMMENTS WITH THIS.

HAPPY THANKSGIVING.

I AM SO GRATEFUL THAT I GET TO BE MAYOR OF THE GREATEST CITY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH.

I AM SO GRATEFUL THAT I GET TO WORK WITH SUCH A DIVERSE GROUP OF MEN UP HERE AND WOMEN THAT THIS IS A TRUE BLESSING.

I THINK WE'VE ALL GROWN WITH OUR DIALOG.

I THINK WE'VE ALL GROWN WITH THE WAY WE INTERACT WITH ONE ANOTHER.

AND TRUST ME WHEN I TELL YOU, I'VE BEEN HERE 30 SOMEWHAT YEARS AND I'VE SEEN COUNCILS NOT REACT THE WAY WE REACT.

SO I'M REALLY PROUD OF OUR BEHAVIOR.

I'VE SEEN COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

NOT ONLY IN BREVARD COUNTY, BUT OSCEOLA COUNTY, INDIAN RIVER COUNTY, THAT CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT.

AND I AM PROUD OF EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU.

WE MAY DISAGREE ON THINGS, BUT I AM SO GRATEFUL THAT I GET TO SPEND TIME UP HERE WITH YOU.

AND IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ME TO GROW NOT ONLY AS A MINISTER, BUT AS MAYOR AND AS A PERSON.

SO I TAKE EVERYTHING.

AS WE JOURNEY FORTH IN LIFE, AS WE WALK THROUGH IN LIFE.

RIGHT. I TAKE EVERYTHING AND I LEARN FROM IT.

AND I BUILD ON IT.

AND. AND HANDLING THINGS WITH OUR CITY AND WORKING WITH OUR STAFF.

EVEN OUR CITY ATTORNEY AND CITY MANAGER AND CITY CLERK.

BOY, DO I. SOMETIMES I THINK I WEAR THEM OUT, BUT I'M REALLY APPRECIATIVE FOR THEM AS WELL.

SO TO ALL PALM BAY YEARS NEAR AND FAR, HAVE A HAPPY, HAVE A SAFE AND HAVE A WONDERFUL THANKSGIVING WITH YOUR FAMILIES.

HURRAH! THAT CONCLUDES MY MY REPORTS.

AND I'D LIKE TO NOW ASK FOR MADAM SHERMAN.

[ADMINISTRATIVE AND LEGAL REPORTS]

IT'S GOING TO BE TUESDAY, DECEMBER THE SIXTH.

SO IT MOVED OUT FROM THE PRIOR WEEK.

SO THAT'S ONE THING.

ALSO, BECAUSE WE WON'T HAVE ANOTHER MEETING BEFORE SEVERAL OF OUR HOLIDAY EVENTS TAKE PLACE OR KICK OFF.

I WANTED TO ANNOUNCE THEM BRIEFLY FOR EVERYONE.

SO OUR SPACE COAST LIGHT FEST ACTUALLY STARTS FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 25TH, BLACK FRIDAY, AND IT RUNS THROUGH JANUARY 1ST.

WE'LL BE OUT OF FRED POPPY REGIONAL PARK EVERY DAY FROM 630 TO 10:00 PM FRIDAY, DECEMBER THE SECOND IS OUR TREE LIGHTING CEREMONY AT 6:30 P.M.. IT WILL BE A REAL TREE.

IT'S A REAL TREE THIS TIME.

PLANTED TO LIVE AND GROW AND IT WILL BE.

IT'S OUT HERE IN FRONT OF CITY HALL ALONG MALABAR.

SO PLEASE JOIN US.

AND THEN LASTLY, BUT DEFINITELY NOT LEAST, SATURDAY, DECEMBER 3RD IS OUR HOLIDAY LIGHT PARADE AT 6 P.M..

YOU HAVEN'T BEEN. I ENCOURAGE YOU TO COME OUT.

IT'S A GREAT EVENT AND WE CLOSE DOWN A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF MALABAR ROAD.

SO YOU REALLY WANT TO PLAN AHEAD FOR THAT PARTICULAR TIME AND THAT'S ALL.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MA'AM.

MADAM SMITH, NOTHING FURTHER.

PRAISE THE LORD.

SORRY, MA'AM. PUBLIC COMMENT.

ANYONE WHO RAISED THEIR HAND FIRST.

[PUBLIC COMMENTS/RESPONSES]

COME ON UP, ALFIE. AND THEN MASTER CHIEF.

AND THEN I THINK THAT WAS ROBERT BACK THERE.

GOOD NIGHT. GOOD NIGHT.

COUNCIL IS THE MAYOR AND STAFF OF THIS GREAT CITY.

I MUST SAY, I WAS A LITTLE.

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SO I DIDN'T EVEN FILL OUT A YELLOW CARD.

BUT THAT'S FINE, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, NORMALLY WHEN WE HAVE A SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA, A LOT OF TIMES WE GET CALLED UP.

BUT OUTSIDE, I MUST SAY, THANKS TO MR. FRED. IF HE'S STILL HERE, I'LL LEFT.

BUT I REALLY APPRECIATE THE STAFF, THE PARK STAFF.

AND AS DANNY FELIX WAS SAYING, WE HAVE BEEN SERVING LIKE FOR 12 YEARS.

I GUESS WE STARTED THE SAME TIME DANNY, RANDY AND I WAS ON THE PARKS AND REC ADVISORY BOARD BACK IN THE DAYS.

AND IT'S A FUN TO DO THIS.

AND I MUST SAY MY ORGANIZATION, I PLAN TO MAINTAIN AND SERVED OUR CITY AND WITH THE HELP OF THE GREAT CITY OF BOMBAY, I WILL ALWAYS TRY MY BEST TO PRESENT THIS, YOU KNOW, AND I AND I VOLUNTEER, I DONATE, I CONTRIBUTE TO A LOT OF OTHER, YOU KNOW, NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION AS THE CITY.

YOU PROBABLY HAD A PAPER WORK ON THAT.

AND I WILL ALWAYS TRY TO DO THAT.

OUR CULTURE AS INDIANS AND AS HINDUS, OUR CULTURE SAYS YOU'RE HAPPINESS ALONE IS NO HAPPINESS AT ALL.

ANY TIME OR ANY DAY, YOU CAN MAKE SOMEBODY ELSE HAPPY.

THAT'S WHEN YOU INHERIT HAPPINESS.

AND I THINK THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

I SUPPORT THE THE CHRISTMAS OF FEAR WITH THE OLD CHURCH, AND I WILL ALWAYS SUPPORT THEM TOO, BECAUSE THEY ARE LOOKING IN THE SAME DIRECTION.

GIVING IS REALLY GOOD FROM THE BOTTOM OF YOUR HEART.

AND I THINK I CAME HERE IN 85, I DID WELL AND I JUST FEEL GOOD TO GIVE BACK TO THE CITY AND THE CITIZENS OF THIS COMMUNITY.

CONGRATULATION, MR. KENNY, FOR YOUR SECOND TERM AND I KNOW YOU COME UP WITH A LOT OF CHALLENGE, BUT BE STRONG, YOU KNOW, AND YOU'RE DOING GOOD.

CHANGING THE DEPUTY MAYOR.

I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA.

YOU DID WELL AND EACH ONE NEED THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXCEL AND DEVELOP THAT CONFIDENCE.

AND I APPRECIATE YOU GIVING ME THE CHANCE AND AUTHORIZING PASSING THIS ON MY SIDE OF OF COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT.

THANK YOU. AND ALFIE, I DID NOT MEAN IT WASN'T ON FOR YOU TO SPEAK, SO IT WAS THE CITY MANAGER BRINGING THIS FORTH.

I WOULD HAVE ALLOWED YOU TO SPEAK.

I DIDN'T KNOW THAT YOU WANTED TO.

THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S OKAY. YOU JUST SENT THE REPRESENTATIVE.

AND THAT'S HOW. THAT'S HOW.

THAT'S HOW I RECEIVED IT.

I WAS SURPRISED YOU WEREN'T GOING TO SPEAK, BUT I.

WELL, YEAH, AS I SAID, I ANTICIPATE THAT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD PROBABLY BE CALLED UP, SO I DIDN'T FILL OUT THE FORM, YOU KNOW, AND.

WELL, THAT'S ALL RIGHT. I GET THE CHANCE TO.

THANK YOU. YOU GOT.

YOU GOT IT.

YES, SIR. I GOT THE APPROVAL UNANIMOUSLY.

YES, SIR. AND I APPRECIATE IT.

I APPRECIATE ALL THE COUNCIL.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MASTER CHIEF.

BILL. BATON 586.

OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST.

EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO PROTECT THEMSELVES.

THAT'S NUMBER ONE. YOU'RE RIGHT.

THIS IS THE BEST WEAPON YOU HAVE.

SO MY APPROACH IS I LOOK AT PEOPLE AND I MAKE THE ASSUMPTION THAT EVERYBODY IS CARRYING A CONCEALED WEAPON.

IF YOU TAKE THAT MINDSET, YOU NEVER KNOW.

THAT'S THE FIRST STEP FOR PROTECTION.

ITEM NUMBER TWO, WHEN IS PROJECT VISION GOING TO HAPPEN FROM THE RESCHEDULE? ITEM NUMBER THREE.

WE DON'T EVEN SEND A LETTER OUT FROM THE CITY OF PALM BAY WITH CITY LETTERHEAD ON IT.

BECAUSE UNLESS COUNCIL SAYS, YEAH, WE RECOMMEND DOING IT BECAUSE WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT THAT CITY OF PALM BAY LOGO AND WHAT IT MEANS, IT MEANS A REPRESENTATION. AND IT'S NORMALLY SAYING THAT THIS IS HOW THE CITY SEES THAT INDIVIDUAL.

WELL, DURING CAMPAIGN COMMITTEES I WAS WATCHING COUNCIL MEMBER WEAR A SHIRT THAT'S GOT CITY OF PALM BAY ON IT.

YOU KNOW MORE THAN WELCOME TO PARTICIPATE IN IN THE REPRESENTATIVE OF YOUR CHOICE I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT IN FACT I PROMOTE IT.

BUT WHEN YOU'RE WEARING A DESIGNATION THAT SAYS A CITY OF PALM BAY WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY COUNCIL AND YOU'RE DOING THAT IN PUBLIC ON TELEVISION, THAT'S PASSING A DIFFERENT LETTER. WE WON'T EVEN LET YOU SEND OUT LETTERS WITH LETTERHEAD WITHOUT TALKING TO IT FIRST.

SO IT PUT.

LET'S PUT A WHINING POO POO FACE ON BILL BATTENS WHEN I SAW THAT SUPPORT OF THE INDIVIDUAL IS GREAT WEARING THE LOGO THAT SAYS THE CITY, WHICH

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ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

I KNOW IF ANYBODY REALIZED THAT THIS IS NATIVE AMERICAN MONTH, WE RECOGNIZED ALL KINDS OF NATIONALITIES AT THIS CHAMBER. THIS WAS NATIVE AMERICAN MONTH.

THERE WAS NO MENTION, NO APPRECIATION FOR IT.

LET'S GO AHEAD AND LOOK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT NATIVE AMERICANS.

THEY WERE PERSECUTED BY THE SPANIARDS.

WE HAD SPANISH RECOGNITION.

THEY WERE MARCHED ON THE TRAIL OF TEARS BY THE BUFFALO SOLDIERS.

YET WE STILL RECOGNIZE THE BLACKS.

ANGLOS WERE WHERE BROKE EVERY TREATY WITH THE NATIVE AMERICAN, EVERY SINGLE ONE.

YET ON THE FIRST.

AFTER THE FIRST WINTER, WE HAVE THANKSGIVING.

AND WHO WAS IT TO HELP PROVIDE THE FOOD FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS TO HAVE A NICE LITTLE THANKSGIVING DINNER THAT WE'RE HERE READY TO CELEBRATE? IT WAS THE NATIVE AMERICAN, YET THE CITY OF PALM BAY COULDN'T EVEN RECOGNIZE THE FACT THAT IT WAS NATIVE AMERICAN HERITAGE MONTH.

I'M KIND OF DISAPPOINTED IN YOU.

EVERYBODY GOT THEIR OWN LITTLE BIDS IN.

BUT THE PEOPLE THAT WERE HERE FIRST, THE BIGGEST PERSECUTED RACE THAT THERE EVER WAS DIDN'T EVEN GET RECOGNITION.

THAT BEING SAID, MAY YOU ALL HAVE A HAPPY THANKSGIVING.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

IT'S DULY NOTED THERE, MASTER CHIEF.

I HATE TO COME HERE AT THE END AND TAKE YOUR TIME, BUT THERE ARE 400 MILLION GUNS IN AMERICA.

400 MILLION? WHEN I WATCH THE LOCAL FLORIDA NEWS, THERE ARE MURDERS EVERY DAY.

I GREW UP IN THE STREETS LIKE YOU HAD TO KEEP YOUR HEAD ON A SWIVEL, DIDN'T YOU? I ALWAYS WAS IN THE BACK OF THE BUS.

MY MY WIFE IS STILL TRYING TO GET USED TO THAT BECAUSE I WANT TO SEE WHAT'S COMING AT ME.

BUT THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT YOU HAVE YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD CONCEALED CARRY EVER SINCE.

THE SERVICE PROBLEM IS THIS CRAZY PEOPLE HERE WHO HAVE GUNS WHO SHOULDN'T HAVE THEM WHEN IN COLORADO, WHEN I WHEN I SEE GUN FREE ZONE.

WHEN DO YOU THINK SO BEING THAT.

THE PEOPLE WHO RIGHTLY ARE CARRYING A CONCEALED CARRY OR A BAYONET.

NOT THE BAD GUYS.

I LIVE THREE MILES FROM COLUMBINE HIGH SCHOOL.

THEY DIDN'T ENTER THE BUILDING.

THE COPS DIDN'T ENTER THE BUILDING UNTIL THE SHOOTING STOPPED.

YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD THIS BEFORE.

WHEN I COME TO A ZONING MEETING I MENTIONED AT THE LAST TIME, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SECURITY.

WOULD ANYBODY IN THIS COUNTRY BE SURPRISED IF A GUNMAN CAME IN HERE? DOESN'T MATTER WHO IT IS AND STARTED WHACKING PEOPLE, IF I CAN USE THE JERSEY PHRASE ON THAT.

WE LIVE IN A VIOLENT COMMUNITY.

YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH A FIREARM, THE BAD GUY WILL TAKE IT FROM YOU AND USE IT ON YOU.

THOSE NUMBERS ARE RELATIVELY LOW.

I KEEP MY SKILL SETS UP.

WE'RE IN. I DON'T KNOW WHO'S COMING AFTER ME.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I'M IN A I'LL SAY IT'S A LEADERSHIP POSITION AS PRESIDENT HOYA.

BUT WHEN WE HAVE TO FIND SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, THE CRAZY PEOPLE AROUND.

YOU SEE THE WAY THEY DRIVE.

SO PLEASE.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR POSITION IS ON GUNS, BUT WHEN I'M IN A MOVIE THEATER IN COLORADO AND THE SHOOTINGS THAT WE HAD IN MOVIE THEATERS, YOU KNOW, I CARRY IN A MOVIE THEATER, I, YOU KNOW, BUT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS THROW A POPCORN BAG AT SOMEBODY BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY THING I HAVE IN MY HAND.

IF I HAVE TO DEFEND MYSELF AND MY WIFE OR MY CHILD AND WHATNOT, I'M GOING TO DEFEND MYSELF.

BUT YOU HAVE TO YOU HAVE TO GET THE TRAINING.

SO I UNDERSTAND YOUR OPINION.

I REALLY DO. AND RESPECT THAT.

BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE, RESPECT MY RIGHT TO LIVE AS AN AMERICAN, TO PROTECT MYSELF AND TO PROTECT MY FAMILY, BECAUSE IT'S CRAZY PEOPLE OUT THERE. AND I DON'T CARE WHAT RIGHTS YOU HAVE.

PEOPLE HATE BLACK PEOPLE HATE ME BECAUSE I'M WHITE.

THIS IS THE COUNTRY WE LIVE IN TODAY.

IS THAT CORRECT? SO IT'S I JUST THINK IT'S PRUDENT IF YOU'RE MY WIFE HAS GOT A CONCEALED CARRY.

SHE'LL NEVER CARRY BECAUSE SHE SHE WOULD FREEZE UP.

I'M GOING TO PROTECT MYSELF.

AND WE HAVE A RIGHT TO DO THAT.

AND I LIKE AN ANSWER TO IS THERE GOING TO BE ANY SECURITY IN A ZONING MEETING? SIR, I APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIRMAN.

PLANNING AND ZONING SECURITY.

IF COUNCIL WOULD LIKE US TO BEGIN ALLOCATING STAFF RESOURCES, WE CAN CERTAINLY WORK TOWARD THAT.

IT'S ADDITIONAL OVERTIME COSTS THAT WE CAN ADD INTO THE THE BUDGET.

AND SO. YOUR COMMENT.

THANK YOU, MR.

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I WASN'T ADVOCATING YOU NOT TO PROTECT YOURSELF.

I KNOW YOU SPOKE.

I'M NOT ADVOCATING ANYBODY OF SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS.

I HAVE. I HAVE MY OWN CONCEALED WEAPON.

WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE CITY EMPLOYEES SHOULDN'T CARRY WHILE WORKING FOR THE CITY OF PALM BAY ONCE THEY LEAVE.

AND THEY WANT AS THE POLICY STANDS NOW.

AND THEY GET IN THE CAR AND THEY HAVE THEIR CONCEALED WEAPON.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.

BUT ONCE THEIR EMPLOYEE AND THEY PULL THAT WEAPON OUT.

AND NOT ONLY THE CITY LIABLE, BUT ALL THE RESIDENTS GOING TO BE LIABLE FOR THE ACTIONS.

WE ALREADY LIABLE FOR A POLICE OFFICER? ACTION. I KNOW.

I WAS. I WAS A LAW ENFORCEMENT EXPERT WITNESS.

AND I HAVE MANY I DON'T IN THE BUSINESS ANYMORE, BUT I HAVE MANY CASES WHERE I HAD TO REPRESENT THE VICTIM OF A POLICE SHOOTING.

OKAY, SO THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM.

I'M COMING FROM A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.

I BELIEVE EVERYBODY HAS A RIGHT TO PROTECT THEMSELVES.

I HAVE A FIREARM.

SOMEBODY COME IN MY HOUSE, THEY'RE GOING TO GET SHOT.

OKAY. BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT COMING IN TO HAVE TEA OR DRINK WINE WITH ME IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT.

OK. AND THEN WHAT I'M SAYING IS.

BUT I'M WALKING IN CITY HALL.

I'M NOT ARMED. I PUT MY FAITH IN THE PALM BAY POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THAT'S WHY I'VE BEEN ADVOCATING FOR SECURITY EVER SINCE I GOT ON THIS DYESS WITH CITY HALL SECURITY CAMERAS.

POLICE OFFICERS PRESENT.

THE CITY MANAGER. I MEET WITH HER EVERY WEEK AND I TALK ABOUT SHE COULD WRITE SUZANNE.

I TALK ABOUT SECURITY? YES, SIR. AND I.

AND IT'S ALWAYS ON MY MIND.

BUT THE MAYOR TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.

I DON'T ADVOCATE.

SECURITY FOR THE ADVISORY BOARD UNLESS IS A THREAT OR IS A SITUATION WHERE THEY HAVE.

THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A LARGE CROWD COME BEFORE THEM AND THEY'RE ANGRY.

YES, WE NEED TO HAVE AN OFFICER THERE, BUT JUST AN DAY OFFICER AT ALL THESE ADVISORY BOARD.

I CAN'T ADVOCATE THAT.

SO THAT'S MY THOUGHTS.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN FELIX.

RIGHT. YOUR.

MR.. CAN I CAN I ASK MR. WEIMER A FEW QUESTIONS BEING.

CAN I BRING THEM FORWARD REAL QUICK? ARE YOU IN SUPPORT OF SECURITY? I JUST WANTED TO KNOW, IS THAT OKAY OR NOT? HEY, GO AHEAD. COME ON UP, MR. WEINBERG. BEING CHAIR OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING FOR SO MANY YEARS FOR A DIFFERENT CAPACITY.

DURING THAT TENURE. I'VE YOU SEEN A SITUATION WHERE WOULD YOU SAY THIS WOULD BE? NEEDED. WELL, IN MY ZERO NINE YEARS OF BEING ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, THERE HAVE BEEN MAYBE THREE, POSSIBLY FOUR TIMES IN THAT PERIOD OF TIME WHERE WE HAD SOME RATHER CONTENTIOUS ISSUES.

NINE YEARS. YES.

AND AND DURING THAT TIME, ON THOSE IN THOSE INSTANCES, I PERSONALLY CONTACTED OUR POLICE CHIEF.

AND OVER THE PAST NINE, THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL OF THEM, AND THEY'VE BEEN GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO SEND AN OFFICER WHILE WE WERE HAVING OUR MEETING.

AND FORTUNATELY, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY ANY SERIOUS ISSUES, BUT WE'VE HAD SEVERAL CONTENTIOUS MEETINGS.

SO, YEAH, GO AHEAD.

THAT THAT I HAD A QUESTION.

ABSOLUTELY. SINCE YOU'RE OUT THERE.

SO WHEN THOSE NINE YEARS, FOR INSTANCE, OR INSTANCES, RIGHT.

YEAH, I THINK THERE WERE PROBABLY FOUR INCIDENCES.

YEAH. OKAY. YEAH.

IN THOSE FOUR INSTANCES, DID YOU HAVE THE FORESIGHT THAT THAT MIGHT BE CONTENTIOUS.

YES. AND YOU MADE THE ARRANGEMENTS BEFOREHAND, CORRECT.

OKAY. SO IT DIDN'T GET CONTENTIOUS WHILE YOU WERE HAVING THE MEETING THAT YOU HAD TO CALL FOR SECURITY.

I BELIEVE THAT HAPPENED AT ONE TIME.

IT DID OCCUR. YEAH. I BELIEVE THAT THAT OCCURRED ONE TIME.

WE HAD TO HAVE SOMEBODY REMOVED.

OKAY. OH, WHAT? DURING THE PROCEEDINGS, IT WAS JUST ONE INDIVIDUAL.

RIGHT. BUT.

BUT I WILL TELL YOU THIS.

SO THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE SITTING UP THERE, JUST LIKE YOU ARE RIGHT NOW, YOU NEVER KNOW.

YOU NEVER KNOW IN THE WORLD THAT WE LIVE IN TODAY, YOU KNOW, FOR THE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS YOU HAVE, YOU CAN HAVE A ROOM FULL OF PEOPLE AND THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE

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BUT PRIOR TO THAT, YOU HAD NOTHING LIKE THAT.

BUT BUT WITH, YOU KNOW, PLANNING AND ZONING CAN WE CAN FILL THIS ROOM JUST AS EASILY AS YOU DO SOMETIMES FOR COUNCIL MEETINGS.

AND YOU JUST DON'T KNOW.

YOU JUST DON'T KNOW. AND THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES THAT I FELT THAT IT WOULD BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY TO PROVIDE SECURITY FOR OUR MEETINGS PARTICULARLY.

AND. IS THAT YOUR STATEMENT HERE TODAY MOVING FORWARD, THAT THAT I BELIEVE WE REALLY SHOULD HAVE SECURITY AT OUR PLANNING AND ZONING IMMEDIATELY? I BELIEVE SO.

NOT JUST FOR NOT FEAR OUT OF MYSELF, BUT I THINK PROTECTION FOR EVERYBODY THAT SITS UP ON THAT DAIS DURING PLANNING AND ZONING MEETINGS.

BUT AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE WORLD, THE WAY THE WORLD IS TODAY, I MEAN, YOU NEVER KNOW.

YOU NEVER KNOW. AND IF SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY SHOULD HAPPEN WHEN THERE'S NO SECURITY PROVIDED AT OUR MEETINGS, THAT WOULD BE A REAL, REAL PROBLEM FOR THE CITY. SO IN FORESIGHT, I THINK IT MIGHT BEHOOVE THE CITY TO TAKE SOME KIND OF SECURITY PRECAUTIONS FOR PLANNING AND ZONING MEETINGS.

OKAY. SO GENERALLY SPEAKING, YOU FEEL THAT MAKING THAT PRECAUTIONARY MOVE TODAY INSTEAD OF THE WAY YOU WERE OPERATING IN THE PAST, HAVING THE FORESIGHT, THERE MAY BE SOME CONTENTIOUS ITEMS ON THAT AGENDA YOU WOULD CALL? WELL, YEAH, BUT AGAIN, AND YOU KNOW, IN THE WORLD THAT WE LIVE IN TODAY, YOU KNOW, I TRY TO ANTICIPATE WHEN WE MIGHT HAVE AN ISSUE LIKE THAT.

BUT YOU JUST DON'T KNOW.

YOU JUST DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, YOU CAN HAVE SOMEBODY CAN COME TO ONE OF THESE MEETINGS AND JUST GET UPSET.

AND IF THEY HAVE A GUN ON THEM BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING TO STOP THEM FROM HAVING A GUN ON THEM WHEN THEY COME TO THESE MEETINGS, THERE'S NO SECURITY WHATSOEVER.

IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, CREATE A REAL, REAL PROBLEM.

I APPRECIATE YOU COMING UP AND SHARING YOUR THOUGHTS.

MR. CHAIR. YOU'RE WELCOME.

YOU CAN. THANK YOU, PHIL.

NO, NO, THAT. YEAH, THAT'S JUST HAVING SO MUCH, YOU KNOW, SO MANY YEARS OF EXPERIENCE.

I THOUGHT HIS INSIGHT WOULD BE VERY EDUCATIONAL OR IMPORTANT FOR US TO HEAR.

BASED ON THAT, I WOULD.

I WOULD SUPPORT.

I KNOW IT WOULD TAKE SOME RESOURCES, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S IT'S ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, THINKING, YOU KNOW, WHAT IF THE SITUATION SO WE CAN PUT A PRICE ON ON A LIFE SOMEBODY IS GETTING HURT SO IT WOULD BE PRUDENT TO TO AFFORD AND SO I SEE WITH THIS BOARD BECAUSE THEY THE PERCENTAGE OF THERE BEING A CONTENTIOUS BODY DOES ESCALATE AS OPPOSED TO OTHER BOARDS.

RIGHT. SO I COULD SEE THE NATURE OF WHAT MR. WEINBERG IS SAYING, EVEN THOUGH THANK YOU FOR NINE YEARS OF SERVICE, THAT'S THE FIRST THING.

THEN EVEN MOREOVER, TO HAVE THE FORESIGHT IN THOSE FOUR INSTANCES, HEY, WE MAY NEED SOME SECURITY.

SO I COMMEND YOU FOR THAT AS WELL.

COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? THANK YOU, MARY. YES. SO THOSE THE CONCEALED WEAPONS PERMITS, UM, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO BRING A CONCEALED WEAPON INTO A GOVERNMENT MEETING WITH A GOVERNMENT BODY.

THAT IS, I WOULD CONSIDER PLANNING AND ZONING A GOVERNMENT BODY.

I MEAN, THEY SAID THEY FELT A FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE JUST LIKE WE DO, SO I'M COOL WITH IT.

YEAH, I'M COOL WITH THE SECURITY HAPPENING AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETINGS.

COPY THAT. DEPUTY MAYOR SO I THINK WE'VE GOT FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT SOMEHOW CARVE OUT SOMETHING IN THE BUDGET.

NOW, OF COURSE, SOME, SOME BOARD, SOME BOARDS MAY NOT WARRANT THAT, BUT CERTAINLY I COULD SEE THE LEVEL OF CONTENTION WHEN ESPECIALLY THE ONE THAT COMES TO MIND IS WHEN WE HAD IT AT A DIFFERENT SITE ALSO.

SO WE WOULD HAVE TO TRANSPORT THAT SECURITY.

SO, YES, MA'AM, I GUESS START PLANNING THAT OUT AND SEEING WHAT THE COST WOULD BE.

JUST SO I'M CLEAR, WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT P AND Z RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE ONLY SPEAKING OF PLANNING AND ZONING.

THAT IS CORRECT. CAN I ADD SOMETHING, COUNCILMAN? COULD I HAVE THE CHEEK COME UP FOR A SECOND? SURE. MADAM SHERMAN COMING DOWN OK.

GOOD EVENING. EVEN CHIEF.

YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT SECURITY AND PLANNING AND ZONING.

COULD THE PATROL FOR THAT SHIFT COVER THAT MEETING? DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE, STAFF THAT COME BY, COVER THE 2 HOURS OR WHATEVER HOURS, AND THEN GO BACK ON PATROL? WELL, MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE IF THIS IS A ROUTE THAT WE GO, WOULD BE TO HAVE ITS OWN SECURITY.

IT'S ALL SECURITY. CORRECT.

ONLY BECAUSE WITH PATROL, AS YOU KNOW, SIR, THEY CAN'T ALWAYS BE HERE.

YOU KNOW, EVEN IF WE SAY, HEY, DO ROAMING PATROLS FOR THE NEXT TWO OR 3 HOURS, WE COULD GET A HOT CALL.

THEY'D HAVE TO RESPOND TO IT.

AND WE WON'T HAVE ANYBODY SHOWING UP HERE TO PROVIDE SECURITY.

SO I WOULD HAVE I WOULD PREFER TO HAVE THE TOWN SECURITY DETAIL.

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I APPRECIATE THAT. GOOD.

THANKS, CHIEF. OUR.

ANYONE ELSE WISH TO COME AND SPEAK BEFORE US BEFORE WE ADJOURN? SEEING NONE. THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.