[00:00:01] SO. GOOD EVENING. [CALL TO ORDER] I LIKE TO CALL THIS REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING 2022 DASH 35 TO ORDER. THE INVOCATION WILL BE PROVIDED BY CHRIS ADAMS. CHRIS, ARE YOU HERE? CHRIS. CHRIS ADAMS. CHRIS ADAMS FROM CHRISTIAN LIFE CHURCH. AND THE INVOCATION WILL BE PROVIDED BY PASTOR KEN DELGADO OF THE HOUSE CHURCH. AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE WILL BE LED BY DEPUTY MAYOR DONNY FELIX. PLEASE RISE. I LOOK KIND OF LIKE CHRIS ADAMS, DON'T I? SO IN REPRESENTATION OF THEM, LET'S JOIN OUR HEARTS AND A MERRY CHRISTMAS TO EVERYBODY. BUT NOT GOOD NIGHT, FATHER. WE JUST THANK YOU FOR THE BLESSING OF YOUR PRESENCE. THANK YOU FOR THE GIFT OF LIFE, FOR THE LIGHT THAT SHINES. FOR THE STAR THAT STANDS AT THE TOP OF THE TREE, THE STAR OF DAVID THAT WISEMAN STILL SEEK. FOR THE GIFTS THAT YOU GIVE. AND WE GIVE IN DEMONSTRATION OF THE GIFT OF LOVE. JESUS. WE THANK YOU FOR THOSE WHO REPRESENT US, THESE PEOPLE WHO LEAD THIS GREAT CITY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WISDOM THAT RESTS ON THEM TONIGHT. OR THE DAILY WORK THAT THEY HAVE TO ACHIEVE AS THE CITY MANAGER WORKS THROUGH AND IN LET YOU WORK THROUGH. AND IN ALL OF THEM, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR BLESSING. WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR WISDOM, YOUR GRACE, AND FOR TONIGHT, IN JESUS NAME, AMEN. AMEN. BELIEVE THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE. RAH, RAH, RAH, RAH, RAH, RAH, RAH. I DON'T KNOW IF IF YOU'RE AS ENCOURAGED AS I AM, WHEN WHEN WE ALL SAY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE IN UNISON, IT'S LIKE AN ECHO. AND AND HOW MOTIVATING AND PATRIOTIC IT IS. I CAN TELL YOU THAT YOU JUST FIRED UP YOUR MAYOR. RAH. MS.. JONES. I THANK YOU, MAYOR. MAYOR MEDINA. PRESIDENT. DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX HERE. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON HERE. COUNCILMAN FOSTER HERE. COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO HERE. MISS SHERMAN HERE. MISS SMITH HERE. DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX. [ANNOUNCEMENTS] THANK YOU. ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS? YES. TWO VACANCIES ON THE CITIZEN'S BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD REPRESENT A LARGE POSITION. ONE VACANCY ON THE YOUTH ADVISORY BOARD REPRESENTED LARGE STUDENT MEMBER POSITION. ANYONE WISHING, WISHING TO SERVE ON THESE BOARDS CAN APPLY ONLINE AT PALM BAY FLORIDA DOT ORG OR CONTACT THE CITY CLERK OFFICE AT 321952 3414. THANK YOU. WE ARE NOW ON AGENDA REVISIONS. [AGENDA REVISIONS] AND MS.. SHERMAN, ANY REVISIONS? YES, SIR, I HAVE THREE. THE FIRST IS ORDINANCE 2022, DASH 127. NAMING A PRIVATE ROADWAY AS ASTOR DRIVE NORTHEAST HAS BEEN ADDED AS ITEM NUMBER FOUR UNDER NEW BUSINESS. THE SECOND IS CONSIDERATION OF A REDUCTION IN THE PURCHASE PRICE FOR BCRA OWNED PROPERTY. LOCATED AT 1626 ORANGE BLOSSOM TRAIL HAS BEEN ADDED AS ITEM NUMBER FIVE UNDER NEW BUSINESS, AND THE LAST ONE IS REGARDING NEW BUSINESS. ITEM NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS CONSIDERATION OF A REQUEST TO RECONSIDER THE DENIAL OF ORDINANCE 2020 2-1 12 CASE Z DASH 4420 22. ACIS INVESTMENT GROUP. THE APPLICANT HAS WITHDRAWN THE ITEM. SO ITEM THREE HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN ON THE NEW BUSINESS? YES, SIR. THANK YOU, MA'AM. AND MISS SMITH. CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDER RELATING TO THE DENIAL OF CASE Z 4420 22. ACIS INVESTMENT GROUP LLC HAS BEEN ADDED AS ITEM NINE UNDER PUBLIC HEARINGS. THANK YOU, MA'AM. DOES THAT CONCLUDE THE REVISIONS? YES, SIR. OKAY. SO WE ARE NOW ON PROCLAMATIONS AND RECOGNITIONS AND AND WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT SOME PROCLAMATIONS THAT ARE REALLY EXCITING TO OUR COMMUNITY. [PROCLAMATIONS AND RECOGNITIONS] SO LET ME JUST LET ME JUST STEP DOWN AND GET CLOSE TO THE CROWD SO YOU CAN YOU GUYS CAN LOVE ON YOUR MAYOR FOR A BIT. [00:05:34] A VERY SPECIAL DAY. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. OH, THANKS FOR ENCOURAGING ME. LISTEN, WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO RECOGNIZE SOME REALLY SPECIAL INDIVIDUALS FOR ALL THEIR EFFORTS. SO I'D LIKE TO WELCOME UP THE FAMILY CHRISTMAS EXTRAVAGANZA TEAM. COME ON UP, GUYS. COME ON UP. THAT'S YOU, TOO. THAT'S YOU TO. REALLY EXCITED ABOUT WHAT THIS TEAM HAS DONE. THIS TEAM GIVES COUNTLESS OF HOURS THEY MEET. THEY CONDUCT THIS IS THE 14TH ANNUAL FAMILY CHRISTMAS EXTRAVAGANZA AND THEY MEET ON A REGULAR BASIS EVERY MONDAY NIGHT, JUST ABOUT. AND THEY GIVE SO MUCH OF THEMSELVES SO THAT OTHERS MAY LIVE NOW. SO YOU SEE THIS FINE PRINT. YOUR MAYOR IS GOING TO HAVE A DIFFICULT TIME WITH THAT, BUT I'M GOING TO NAVIGATE THROUGH IT. I MAY NEED MY MAGNIFYING GLASS. SO NOTICE AND PROCLAMATION OF FAMILY CHRISTMAS EXTRAVAGANZA DAY DECEMBER 17TH, 2022. IT IS HEREBY PROCLAIM BY THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, THE GREATEST CITY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA. WHEREAS THE HOUSE CHURCH WHERE YOUR LOVED, ACCEPTED AND CONNECTED THE CITY OF PALM BAY RECREATION DEPARTMENT, SEVERAL COMMUNITY BUSINESS PARTNERS SUCH AS THRIFTY SPECIALTY PRODUCE CHICK-FIL-A FRUITS OF MY LABOR. GATOR AUTOMOTIVE, FLORIDA BLUE INSURANCE, FROG BONES, A FAMILY SHOOTING CENTER TRAVEL CAMP ALDEA TODAY NEWSPAPER THE HOMETOWN NEWS HAVE RECOGNIZED THE IMPORTANCE OF PROVIDING A POSITIVE VENUE FOR RESIDENTS AND CHILDREN TO CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS. AND. WHEREAS, WHAT MAKES THE FAMILY CHRISTMAS EXTRAVAGANZA SO SPECIAL IS THAT THERE IS NO COST TO ATTEND. EVERYTHING IS F R W E TO THE TO THE PUBLIC, FROM COTTON CANDY TO HOT DOGS, TO LIVE MUSIC, FUN ACTIVITIES, ALL GUIDED FOR CHILDREN AND ADULTS. THE SPONSORS OF THIS ANNUAL EVENT HAVE COMMITTED TO SERVING OTHERS DURING THE CHRISTMAS SEASON AND GIVING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN SOMEONE'S LIFE. WHEREAS AS A DEMONSTRATION OF LOVE, THE HOUSE, CHURCH, ELEVATION CHURCH, EAST WIND, PENTECOSTAL CHURCH, VICTORY AND CHRIST'S CENTREPOINT, POINT CHURCH, GRACE BIBLE CHURCH OR NADAL. CIELO MINISTRIES OF FLORIDA AND CEDAR. THE SEA. THE RESCUE MISSION HAVE ALL UNITED TO BRING THE 14TH ANNUAL FAMILY CHRISTMAS EXTRAVAGANZA. AND. WHEREAS, SENIOR PASTOR AND SENIOR PASTOR, NOT BECAUSE OF HIS AGE, JUST WANTED A HIGHLIGHT THAT KEN DELGADO OF THE HOUSE CHURCH IN PALM BAY SAID WITH TODAY'S NEWS BEING FILLED WITH DIVISION, CONTENTION AND EXPRESSIONS OF HATRED, IT IS EXCITING TO SEE THE CITY OF PALM BAY, ALONG WITH CITY BUSINESSES AND ITS CITIZENS, CREATE AN EVENT WHERE LOVE, JOY AND PEACE IS EXPRESSED IN THAT NICE. THE FAMILY CHRISTMAS EXTRAVAGANZA IS THE GREATEST EXPRESSION THAT SO MANY PEOPLE YEARN FOR AND IS WHAT THE ANGELS PROCLAIMED AT THE BIRTH OF JESUS, SAYING PEACE AND GOODWILL TOWARDS ALL MEN. AND. WHEREAS, OVER 60 LOCAL BUSINESSES AND ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS THE SOUTH BREVARD, MARINE CORPS TOYS FOR TOTS IN THAT GREAT HURRAH TO MY MARINE CORPS HAVE MADE DONATIONS OF TOYS, FOOD, GIFT CERTIFICATES, EQUIPMENT, FINANCES AND GOODY BAGS. THE EVENT WILL FEATURE MUSICIANS AND ARTISTS SUCH AS UNITED SOUND, WITH JOEL LOPEZ PEPPERED CD THREE, BARANSKI, EDIE ANTHONY AS EDDIE FROST AND MUCH, MUCH MORE. AND. WHEREAS, OVER THE LAST 14 YEARS, THE WONDERFUL THIS WONDERFUL EVENT HAS BECOME THE LARGEST CHRISTMAS PARTY ON THE SPACE COAST AND WILL [00:10:07] TAKE PLACE THIS SATURDAY, DECEMBER 17, FROM 11 TO 5 P.M.. NOT THIS SATURDAY THE 17TH, AS YOU WERE. SO THAT'S NEXT SATURDAY AT FED POPPY REGIONAL PARK, 1951 MALABAR ROAD, NORTH WEST PALM BAY TO PROVIDE AN UPLIFTING MESSAGE OF HOPE AND FUTURE DURING THE CHRISTMAS SEASON AS SO MANY FAMILIES CONTINUE TO HAVE DIFFICULT TIMES. NOW. THEREFORE, I ROB MEDINA, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BY VIRTUE OF THE AUTHORITY OF SAID OFFICE, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM DECEMBER 17, 2022, AS FAMILY CHRISTMAS EXTRAVAGANZA DAY IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY, AND COMMEND THE HOUSE CHURCH LOCATED IN PALM BAY AND ITS PARTNERS FOR HOSTING THE 14TH ANNUAL FAMILY CHRISTMAS EXTRAVAGANZA EXTRAVAGANZA AND ENCOURAGE ALL OUR CITIZENS TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS WONDERFUL AND FUN EVENT. WHEREAS I'VE SET MY HAND AND CAUSED THE SEAL OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY TO BE AFFIXED THIS SIXTH DAY OF DECEMBER 2022. CONGRATULATIONS, TEAM. WAY TO GO, JENNIFER AND PASTOR, YOU ALL HAVE A MOMENT ON THE MIC. WELL, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. AND ON BEHALF OF THE 14TH ANNUAL FAMILY CHRISTMAS EXTRAVAGANZA, WE JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT TO HELP US TO MAKE THIS EVENT SO POSSIBLE, TO TOUCH LIVES AND TOUCH THE THOUSANDS OF LIVES THAT WE TOUCH CONTINUOUSLY EVERY YEAR. PEOPLE THAT COME OUT CONTINUOUSLY. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU, CITY COUNCIL. AND THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU. IT'S ABSOLUTELY 100% FOR DOUBLE E FREE. MAYOR YOU MIGHT HAVE BEEN EXCITED ABOUT THE NATIONAL THE THE I WAS GOING TO SAY I WAS GOING TO SAY NATIONAL ANTHEM, BUT IT WASN'T THE NATIONAL ANTHEM. BUT YOU MADE ME EXCITED ABOUT THE CHRISTMAS EXTRAVAGANZA. PRAISE. LISTEN, Y'ALL. WE THOUGHT ABOUT BRINGING OUR 300 RED SHIRTS IN. YEAH, BUT EITHER WE WERE SUPPORTING GETTING THE GOLF COURSE BACK OR YOU ALL ARE SUPPORTING US ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. WE'RE IN IT TOGETHER. DO ME A FAVOR. THIS CHRISTMAS, TURN TO THE PERSON. NEXT. YOU GIVE THEM A BIG SMILE AND WISH THEM A MERRY CHRISTMAS. GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. SHOW HIM THAT YOU HAVE SOME TEETH IN THERE. TAKE OUT THE CHOPPERS AND JUST CUT. HI THERE. OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW. BUT LISTEN, WE'RE SO EXCITED. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TEA CUP THE TEA CUP MECHANICAL RIDE, FIRST TIME RIGHT HERE AT THE CHRISTMAS EXTRAVAGANZA. WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT. AND YOU KNOW, I'M SO EXCITED BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE IT'S GOING THROUGH THE AIRWAVES AND BECAUSE YOU'RE HERE, YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT SUPPORTING THE CHRISTMAS EXTRAVAGANZA THROUGH YOUR BUSINESS NEXT YEAR. I CAN JUST FEEL THE EXCITEMENT COMING. IT'S OOZING OUT OF YOU ALL. THANK YOU FOR THE CHRISTMAS EXTRAVAGANZA. WE THANK YOU FOR LETTING US SERVE YOU. I HEARD THERE'S A 72 INCH TV GOING TO BE GIVEN AWAY. WOW. THAT WOULD COVER ONE OF MY BEDROOMS. BUT THANK YOU, MAYOR. THOSE THOSE WHO SERVICE OVER HERE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT. KENNY JOHNSON, WHEN HE COMES ON THE SCENE OVER THERE, I MEAN, I GET SO EXCITED ABOUT HIS ENTHUSIASM. IT IS AMAZING. WE HAVE A GREAT CITY. MATTER OF FACT, I THINK IT'S THE GREATEST CITY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH. GOD BLESS YOU ALL. MERRY CHRISTMAS. OKAY, THAT'S GOOD. THAT'S GOOD. HONEY, COME HERE. HOLD THAT. ALL RIGHT, HOLD THAT. WHY AM I HERE? THANK YOU FOR ALL THEIR HELP FOR BRINGING THIS YEAR TO YOU. THIS YEAR. I'LL SEE ALL THEY'RE ALL THERE. THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU. I'LL TRY. I'LL START PRACTICING. I'LL START PRACTICING. BUT. YEAH. YOU SEE YOU, MOM. I'M GOING UP YOUR THING FOR HER CHURCH. YEAH. GO BACK. [00:15:02] THANK YOU. BUT I DON'T HAVE A. NO, NO, I DON'T WANT. OKAY, NEXT UP. SO THERE'S SO MUCH TO BE GRATEFUL FOR, RIGHT? THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE THAT GIVE OF THEIR TIME. THEY SERVE OTHERS BEFORE THEY SERVE THEMSELVES. AND THIS AND THIS PROCLAMATION IS IS GEARED TOWARDS THAT. THERE'S A THERE'S A WOMAN'S MINISTRY THAT WE'RE GOING TO RECOGNIZE TODAY. SO OUR NEXT PROCLAMATION, I'M GOING TO CALL UP REVEREND BETSY DELGADO AND HER CHURCH WOMEN'S TEAM. COME ON UP. THAT'S YOU TO EMILY. SO, REVEREND DELGADO, OVER HERE. PROCLAMATION CITY OF PALM BAY FLOYD IN RECOGNITION OF REVEREND BETSY DELGADO AND CHURCH WOMEN'S MINISTRY. IT IS HEREBY RECOGNIZED BY THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY. THE GREATEST CITY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA. WHEREAS REVEREND BETSY DELGADO OF THE HOUSE CHURCH HAD A VISION TO CREATE A SISTERHOOD UNDER THE BANNER OF CHERISHED THAT STARTED IN 2007 AND HAS TOUCHED THOUSANDS OF WOMEN OVER THE YEARS OF EXISTENCE, IMPACTING PALM BAY AND THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE. AND. WHEREAS, BETSY DELGADO SPECIFICALLY BIRTH CHERISHED TO BREATHE HOPE AND BEAUTY TO THE FEMININE HEART, SO THEY MAY DISCOVER A GOD WHO REALLY LOVES THEM AND THANKS THEM AND THINKS VERY HIGHLY OF THEM. AND. WHEREAS, CHERISHED BELIEVES IN PAMPERING WOMEN INTO LOVING CHRIST BY EXPRESSING THE LOVE OF CHRIST THROUGH HAND MASSAGES, SHOULDER RUBS, MANICURES, HAIRCUTS, HAND PARAFFIN, WAX TREATMENT. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT THAT SOUNDS EXCITING. AND PARAFFIN WAX TREATMENTS, RIGHT? AND. WHEREAS VOLUNTEERS ARE READY TO HELP GUESTS FEEL WELCOMED, CATERED, PAMPERED AND SPECIAL DURING EVERY EVENT, REGARDLESS OF RACE, AGE, RELIGION AND OR NATIONALITY. AND. WHEREAS, CHERISHED DESIRES TO BRING OUT THE BEST IN WOMEN AND GIRLS OF ALL AGES. AND FROM ALL THE WALKS OF LIFE. IT'S HARD TO READ THESE SMALL LETTERS, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY TRANSITION INTO THAT DIFFERENT THE LIFE FILLED MESSAGES AND EXTRAVAGANT CREATIVE WORSHIP. PROVIDE A SOURCE OF STRENGTH, HOPE, FAITH THAT WILL ENABLE THEM TO BELIEVE IN THEIR GOD GIVEN POTENTIAL TO CHANGE AND INFLUENCE THEIR WORLD. NOW, THEREFORE, I ROB MEDINA, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BY VIRTUE OF THE AUTHORITY OF SAID OFFICE, DO HEREBY CONGRATULATE AND COMMEND. REVEREND BETSY DELGADO AND CHERISH WOMAN'S MINISTRY FOR THEIR DEDICATED SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY. SO WE HAVE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE. WHEREAS BECAUSE WHEN WHEN MAYOR MEDINA CAME AND ASKED AND SAID I SAID ONE REQUEST, I HAVE IT. JUST HAVE A SHORT. IT'S NOT A LONG ONE, BUT A SHORT ONE. BUT LISTEN, THANK YOU TRULY WHO HAS BEEN AN HONOR. THIS IS 16 YEARS AGO WHEN THIS WAS DROPPED INTO MY HEART. AND MANY OF YOU, YOU AND MANY OF YOU, THERE ARE SEEDS THAT ARE DROPPED INTO YOUR SPIRIT, INTO YOUR MIND, AND YOU THINK, OH, YOU'RE JUST SAYING WHAT A GREAT IDEA IT IS. BUT IT'S NOT JUST A GREAT IDEA, IT'S A GREAT GOD IDEA. AND SO WHEN YOU START AND YOU BEGIN THOSE LITTLE, LITTLE STEPS, YOU TAKE THOSE SMALL STEPS AND YOU STAY THE PATH THING, GREAT THINGS HAPPEN. LITTLE DID I KNOW BACK IN 2007 THAT WHEN THAT SLOGAN WAS DROPPED IN MY HEART, INSPIRING HOPE AND BEAUTY INTO THE FEMININE HEART AND FOR WOMEN OF ALL AGES. [00:20:08] AT OUR LAST EVENT IN SEPTEMBER, WE HAD THE YOUNGEST WAS MAYBE ABOUT FIVE OR SIX YEARS OLD, AND THE OLDEST WAS ALMOST 100 NO 95. ALL UNDER ONE ROOF. JUST EXERCISING OUR GOD GIVEN POTENTIAL OF. OF. OF SERVING AND WORSHIPING GOD. AND SO. OH, MY GOD. I SAID MY HEART WENT. WENT OUT SOMEPLACE. BUT LITTLE DID I KNOW THAT IN 2022. THOUSAND, 2021, 22. WE WERE GOING TO TO FACE OUR YOUNG GIRLS WERE GOING TO PHASE. SHAME IF YOU BECOME IF YOU IF YOU ARE IF YOU WANT TO BE A GIRL FEELING, FEELING ASHAMED AND TRYING TO DRESS LIKE BOYS. AND SO LITTLE DID I KNOW THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE AT HERE AT THIS TIME TO BRING TO INSPIRE HOPE TO THE LITTLE HEARTS OF OUR YOUNG GIRLS SO THAT THEY CAN BECOME GIRLS AND THAT THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE NOT ASHAMED TO SAY, I AM A GIRL AND I WANT TO DRESS LIKE A GIRL AND I WANT TO DO THINGS LIKE A GIRL AND I WANT TO BE ALL FEMININE. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. AND SO THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE FOR. AND I WILL DO IT WITH ALL MY HEART. AND WE WILL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO TO REMIND OUR GIRLS THAT THERE IS A PLACE TO BE FEMININE. AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH BEING FEMININE AT ALL. BEAUTIFUL. BECAUSE IT'S A GOD GIVEN GIFT. JUST BECAUSE I'M A PASTOR, I HAVE TO TAKE THE MIC ON A SERIOUS NOTE. PROBABLY THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE HAVING IS A DISCONNECT BETWEEN THOSE WHO HAVE GRACEFULLY ADDED YEARS TO THEIR LIVES. AND THE YOUNG GIRLS. THAT ARE COMING UP, THE WISDOM THAT ARE ACQUIRED OVER THE YEARS. ONE OF THE VISION THAT MY WIFE HAD IS TO BRIDGE THAT GAP AND TO BRING THE YOUNG PEOPLE BACK TO THOSE WHO HAVE MATURED THROUGH EXPERIENCE, THROUGH LIFE, WITH THE WISDOM OF TIME. AND SHE'S DONE SUCH A BEAUTIFUL JOB IN ACTUALLY BRIDGING THAT GAP AND MAKING THEM ONE AGAIN. AND SO I WANT TO PRAISE MY WIFE FOR A GREAT A GREAT JOB AND WONDERFUL. WE'RE SO BIG NOW THAT THAT WE'RE WAITING FOR THEM TO OPEN UP A LARGER AUDITORIUM HERE IN PALM BAY. CURRENTLY, THOUGH, WE HAVE TO MEET AT THE MILLBURN AUDITORIUM. AND AND BUT IT'S ALL IN THE MASTER PLAN, I AM SURE. BUT THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND A GREAT JOB. JUST LIKE. FINALLY. SO WE ARE NOW ON PRESENTATIONS AND. [PRESENTATION] MADAM SHERMAN. THANK YOU, MAYOR. IT'S MY PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE NANCY PELTON, THE PRESIDENT AND CEO OF THE GREATER PALM BAY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. SHE'S HERE TO GIVE YOU HER LATEST UPDATE. NANCY? HELLO. MY NAME IS NANCY PELTON. AS YOU ALL KNOW, I'M PRESIDENT AND CEO OF THE GREATER POMPEI CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. [00:25:02] THOSE THAT YOU KNOW ME KNOW I ACTUALLY WORK TO TRAVEL. THAT'S MY BIGGEST JOY IN LIFE. AND I HAVE TO SAY, COMING BACK. I'VE LIVED IN BREVARD COUNTY 25 PLUS YEARS, MOST OF IT IN PALM BAY AND COMING BACK HERE. IT'S JUST ALWAYS A JOY. YOU GET TO EXPERIENCE THE REST OF THE WORLD, BUT THIS IS REALLY WHERE I CALL HOME AND TRULY ENJOY BEING PART OF THE PALM BAY COMMUNITY. SO IT IS ONE OF THE MOST FABULOUS PLACES IN THE WORLD, I WILL ADMIT THAT. SO THE CHAMBER BRINGS TOGETHER BUSINESSES SO THAT WE CAN DO COLLECTIVELY WHAT WE CAN'T DO BY OURSELVES. OUR MISSION IS TO SERVE, ADVOCATE AND PROMOTE AS A TRUSTED VOICE FOR OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY. AND OUR NUMBER ONE JOB IS TO SAFEGUARD THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY. SINCE WE ARE THE LARGEST BUSINESS ORGANIZATION IN PALM BAY. AND I KNOW I SAY THAT EVERY TIME, BUT SOMETIMES IT TAKES A WHILE TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THAT MEANS, BECAUSE OUR MEMBERS RANGE FROM HOME BASED BUSINESSES TO MULTINATIONAL CORPORATIONS. WE'VE BEEN DOING SOME ACTUAL RESEARCH RIGHT NOW, AND SOLE PROPRIETORS MAKE UP 28% OF THE CHAMBER, AND THEN IT GOES FROM 2 TO 5 EMPLOYEES. 20%. 6 TO 10 EMPLOYEES IS 18%, 11 TO 25 EMPLOYEES IS 17%, AND THEN 26 PLUS EMPLOYEES IS 17%. SO IT REALLY IS A RANGE ACROSS THE SPECTRUM. BUT SOLE PROPRIETORS ARE ONE OF THE LARGEST MAJORITY. AND THEN WE LOOKED AT KIND OF INDUSTRY SECTORS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU KIND OF WONDER PALM BAY IS SUCH A DIVERSE PLACE AND OUR MEMBERS COME FROM, I'LL GET TO THAT FROM DIFFERENT AREAS. OF COURSE, IT'S NOT ALL JUST PALM BAY, BUT OUR LARGEST INDUSTRY SECTOR IS FINANCE AND INSURANCE WITH 16%. BUT THEN YOU HAVE FAMILY, COMMUNITY AND CIVIC ORGANIZATIONS MAKING UP 14%. GOVERNMENT EDUCATION AND INDIVIDUALS ARE 13 HOUR BUSINESS AND PROFESSIONAL SERVICES IS 12% AND HEALTH CARE IS 10%. IT GOES DOWN FROM THERE WITH REAL ESTATE AND CONSTRUCTION AND ADVERTISING ALL HAVING A PERCENT OF THE PIE. BUT IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING. YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE THINK THAT IT'S JUST ALL THE SAME. BUT REALLY, WE ARE SO DIVERSE IN BOTH OUR SIZE, WHERE OUR BUSINESSES COME FROM, HOW MANY EMPLOYEES THEY HAVE, HOW LONG THEY'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS. SO IT MAKES FOR A VERY INTERESTING CHAMBER, I DO HAVE TO SAY THAT. SO WE TRY AND LEVERAGE EVERY MEMBERSHIP TO BUILD THE VOICE OF BUSINESS. AND SO AS EVERY MEMBER WHO JOINED, THEN WE DID HAVE 134 NEW BUSINESSES JOIN US THIS YEAR. IT INCREASES THE NUMBER OF BUSINESS CONSTITUENTS THAT WE REPRESENT AND WE HELP GROW OUR OUR PARTNERS BUSINESSES BY PROVIDING CUSTOMER DEVELOPMENT, OF COURSE, INCOME DEVELOPMENT, EXPENSE REDUCTION. WE TALK ABOUT WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT. WE'RE LIKE A CONDUIT TO THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY. SO WE GET AND DISSEMINATE INFORMATION NOT JUST FROM OUR MEMBERS BUT FROM THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE. SO WE GET A LOT OF PRESS RELEASES FROM THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BUT ALSO BREVARD PUBLIC SCHOOLS, OUR SPACE COAST OFFICE OF TOURISM, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION, MELBOURNE, ORLANDO INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, OUR PORT CANAVERAL SPACE FORCE CAREER SOURCE, SBA, SBDC SCORE, ELECTED OFFICIALS AND SO MANY MORE. BUT WHAT THIS MEANS IS THAT, LIKE I SAID, WE BECOME THE CONDUIT BECAUSE BUSINESS OWNERS ARE VERY BUSY WORKING IN THEIR BUSINESS AND SOMETIMES IT'S HARD TO WORK ON IT AND TO GO TO ALL THESE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS AND FIND OUT WHAT'S HAPPENING. SO WE DISSEMINATE THAT INFORMATION. THEY CAN SEE IT EVERY WEEK IN OUR WEEKLY INTEL AND KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON THROUGHOUT BREVARD COUNTY BECAUSE IT DOES HELP THEM MAKE MORE INFORMED DECISIONS WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING AT THEIR BUSINESS PLANS. OUR WE'RE THE PRIMARY COMMUNITY RESOURCE AND WELCOME CENTER FOR VISITORS FOR CURRENT AND FUTURE RESIDENTS, AS WELL AS A RESOURCE FOR RELOCATING COMPANIES AND DEVELOPERS. PARTNERS HAVE THEIR BUSINESS CARDS AND BROCHURES IN OUR LOBBY FOR REFERRALS, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE A WEBSITE PRESENCE THROUGH OUR CHAMBER, WHICH OFTEN RANKS HIGHER THAN THEIR OWN WEBSITE BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC THAT COMES THROUGH THE CHAMBER WEBSITE. AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT A BIT. IT REALLY DOES ELEVATE THEIR THEIR BUSINESS AS A WHOLE. BEING PART OF THE CHAMBER, WE ALSO HELP PROMOTE OUR PARTNERS THROUGH OUR WEEKLY CHAMBER, INTEL, OUR WEBSITE, OUR DIGITAL SIGN THAT'S ON US ONE THERE, OUR BUSINESS DIRECTORY AND COMMUNITY GUIDE, PHONE CALLS AND EMAIL REFERRALS, DIGITAL MARKETING, OUR NEW MEMBER PACKET AND MULTIPLE SPONSORSHIP OPPORTUNITIES. IT IS OUR GOAL TO HELP OUR BUSINESS. PARTNERS HOWEVER WE CAN. I JUST HAD A VERY LONG CONVERSATION WITH ONE OF THEM JUST BEFORE I GOT HERE. THEY ARE HAVING A PR CRISIS AND DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE AND IDEAS TO THINK ABOUT. [00:30:02] SO IT'S THE CHAMBER ISN'T JUST A NETWORKING GROUP. WE DON'T JUST HAVE EVENTS. WE REALLY DO SUPPORT THE BUSINESSES IN MORE WAYS THAN OFTEN PEOPLE REALIZE. I REALLY WANT TO THANK THE COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND VISIBILITY THIS YEAR. EVERYTHING I'M TELLING YOU TONIGHT WILL BE REPEATED TOMORROW AT THE STATE OF THE CHAMBER UPDATE AT OUR LUNCHEON TOMORROW. IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT MORE FUN AND ENTERTAINING TOMORROW. BUT AND GREAT FOOD FROM YELLOW DOG. BUT IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE MEMBERS TO ALSO KNOW SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED AT THE CHAMBER. I THINK SOMETIMES THEY JUST SEE AN ENTITY AND REALLY DON'T KNOW ALL THAT WE DO. AND WHAT'S REALLY NICE IS THAT THE CHAMBER IS FINALLY IN A PLACE WHERE WE'RE ABLE TO WORK ON OUR BUSINESS INSTEAD OF JUST IN IT. I THINK FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT KNOW THE CHAMBER HAS COME A LONG WAY IN THE LAST FEW YEARS AND WE ARE LOOKING TO STEER THAT DIRECTION IN FUTURE YEARS. AND SO WE'RE USING ONE OF OUR CHAMBER PARTNERS, THOUGH WE VENTURE IGNITE 360 PROGRAM TO ASSIST US IN THAT JOURNEY. IT'S A SIX MONTH PROGRAM. IT'S VERY INTENSIVE, LOTS OF HOMEWORK, BUT IT HELPS US ANALYZE OUR CURRENT OPERATIONS. AND SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS THAT I SAID EARLIER CAME OUT OF THAT ANALYSIS. AND WE'VE ALSO INVESTED IN OUR TEAMS. SO CAROLINA G, YOU MAY KNOW HER AS CAROLINA ROJAS. SHE'S PARTICIPATING IN THE 2022 LEAD BREVARD PROGRAM AND ALSO THE WI VENTURE ATHENA PROGRAM. SO WE ARE BUILDING THE NEXT GENERATION OF LEADERS TO I RETIRE ANYWAY. SO WE HAVE A NEW TOASTMASTERS GROUP AS WELL THAT WAS FORMED THROUGH THE CHAMBER AND IS A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY FOR ANYONE TO IMPROVE THEIR SPEAKING SKILLS AND FEEL MORE CONFIDENT SPEAKING IN FRONT OF PEOPLE. IT'S OBVIOUSLY A NECESSARY SKILL THAT YOU NEED IN THE BUSINESS WORLD. A FEW HIGHLIGHTS THIS YEAR. OUR MAYOR'S BREAKFAST DID SELL OUT. IT WAS VERY FUN AND INFORMATIVE. NEXT YEAR IS GOING TO BE OUR 15TH ANNIVERSARY. WE HAVE THAT SCHEDULED FOR MAY 19TH, OUR SPACE COAST SYMPOSIUM. WE BROUGHT THAT BACK. IT WAS IT WAS A SMASHING SUCCESS. THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY. IT WAS SOLD OUT. AND I THINK ONE OF THE HIGHLIGHTS FOR ME WAS JERRY GLYCOL. HE IS VERY LONG TITLE SENIOR DIRECTOR, LAUNCH FACILITY DEVELOPMENT, BUT A BLUE ORIGIN, IT TOOK SIX YEARS TO TRY AND GET SOMEBODY FROM BLUE ORIGIN. SO THAT WAS LIKE, WOOHOO! WE ALSO HAD JARED PERDUE. HE'S THE SECOND. DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AS A KEYNOTE SPEAKER AND OUR PARTICIPATING PANELIST COMPANIES WERE NOBO, APUS CORP., TOMAHAWK ROBOTICS, SPACEX, PERSPECTIVE B, LILIUM, UCF AND EMBRY AIR. NEXT YEAR WE HAVE THE SYMPOSIUM SCHEDULED FOR AUGUST 25TH. I HAVE TO SAY OCTOBER 13TH WAS A HUGE CELEBRATION FOR US. IT WAS BUSINESSES THAT HAVE BEEN MEMBERS OF OUR CHAMBER FOR TEN PLUS YEARS, WHICH THERE WERE 16 OF THEM FOR 15 PLUS YEARS. WE STILL HAVE 35 OF THEM. AND I WANTED TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT ACTUALLY TO THE MEMBERS. WE HAVE THEM SOME THAT ARE 20 YEARS PLUS. THERE'S 12 OF THEM. BUT 25 YEARS, I MEAN, 25 YEARS WITH OUR CHAMBER TD BANK, THE HOLMAN GROUP, PENINSULA TITLE AND ESCROW, R.A. SOFT WATER SERVICE, EASTERN FLORIDA STATE COLLEGE, PENN SEPTIC SYSTEMS, HEALTH FIRST AND EASTERN FLORIDA STATE COLLEGE. FEW OF THOSE HAVE HAD NAME CHANGES IN THOSE 25 YEARS. WE MAY KNOW EASTERN FLORIDA STATE COLLEGE IS BREVARD COMMUNITY COLLEGE, AND THERE'S JUST A FEW OF THEM. OUR OLDEST ONES ARE 30 YEARS PLUS, AND THAT'S PRINT DEPOT. AND FORMERLY THEY WERE PITT PRINTING, WASTE MANAGEMENT, BADCOCK FURNITURE AND MORE HERE ON BABCOCK STREET, PALM BAY ALUMINUM, THE CITY OF PALM BAY, FLORIDA, POWER AND LIGHT AND RENT INSURANCE. SO MOST OF OUR PARTNERS DO COME FROM PALM BAY. IT IS FOLLOWED BY MELBOURNE, WEST MELBOURNE, ROCKLEDGE, COCOA AND MALABAR, AND THEN A MIXTURE OF PLACES. SOME OF THESE 6% OF OUR MEMBERS HAVE BEEN WITH US 1 TO 4 YEARS. SO YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE A LOT OF NEW BUSINESSES THAT HAVE COME IN. 13% ARE 5 TO 9 YEARS. THE CHAMBER HOSTED 109 EVENTS, WHICH BROUGHT 33,000 VIEWS TO OUR WEBSITE OVER IN THAT THAT'S JUST TO OUR WEBSITE. NOT ALL OUR SOCIAL MEDIA. AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE A LITTLE CRAZY WITH THAT. THE LARGEST AND MOST VIEWED EVENT WAS THE PALM BAY MULTICULTURAL FESTIVAL THAT WE HAD IN DECEMBER, AND THAT WAS OVER 7000 VIEWS THROUGH THE CHAMBER'S WEBSITE. WE HAVE A GREAT 2023 PLANNED. OUR STATE OF THE PALM BAY BREAKFAST IS COMING UP FEBRUARY THE EIGHTH, AND WE ALSO HAVE THE HOME SHOW THIS YEAR AND EXPO. WE ARE WORKING WITH LOWE'S THIS YEAR TO BRING BOTH EXPOSURE TO LOWE'S. THEY NEED IT, BUT WORKING TOGETHER WITH THEM AT THE MALABAR ROAD FACILITY SO THAT IT WILL BE AN OUTDOOR EVENT ON APRIL 1ST AND SHOWCASING SMB AND COMMUNITY BUSINESSES. [00:35:01] IT IS NOT ONE THAT THEY COME FROM AROUND THE STATE. THEY COME FOR TWO DAYS, SET UP AND THEN LEAVE. THESE ARE OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES THAT WE WILL BE SHOWCASING THAT THE HOME SHOW AND EXPO ON APRIL 1ST. WE CONTINUE TO STRIVE TO MAKE THE GREATER PALM BAY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE THE BEST THAT IT CAN BE. WE TRULY APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT WE RECEIVE FROM THE CITY OF PALM BAY. THE CITY COUNCIL ATTENDS SO MANY OF OUR FUNCTIONS IN THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, NOTICES AND APPRECIATES BEING ABLE TO SPEAK WITH YOU IN A MORE RELAXED ENVIRONMENT. GETTING UP TO SPEAK TO YOU IN FRONT OF YOU AT THE DAIS WITH A CAMERA ON YOU CAN BE A LITTLE INTIMIDATING. AND I THINK WE KNOW THE NUMBER ONE THING MOST PEOPLE ARE AFRAID OF IS PUBLIC SPEAKING WORSE THAN DEATH. SO COME TO TOASTMASTERS. I'M JUST SAYING. BUT SEEING ALL OF YOU AT FUNCTIONS AND BEING ABLE TO COME UP AND SPEAK WITH YOU IS A DIFFERENT. IT'S DIFFERENT AND IT'S PERSONABLE. AND I, I FEEL THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY FEELS THE SUPPORT THAT THEY RECEIVE FROM ALL OF YOU. SO I JUST REALLY WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR THAT SUPPORT. I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT I'M ABLE TO MEET WITH THE CITY MANAGER EVERY MONTH. WE'RE ABLE TO DISCUSS CONCERNS. WE TRULY WORK TOGETHER ON PROGRAMS AND SHARE INFORMATION. I DO BELIEVE THAT WE'RE IN FOR A FABULOUS 2023. I THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR DEDICATION TO THE CITY OF PALM BAY AND ALWAYS STRIVING TO MAKE THINGS BETTER. AND BY THE WAY, EVERYONE IS INVITED TO OUR OPEN HOUSE. IT IS ON DECEMBER 16TH FROM 11 TO 5. YOU CAN DROP BY ANY TIME. YOU CAN STAY A FEW MINUTES, FEW HOURS. BUT WE ALSO LIKE TO SEE YOU. OF COURSE, THERE'S LOTS OF FOOD AND REFRESHMENTS AND SOMETIMES SURPRISES. LAST YEAR. SASHA GOT COUNCILMAN JOHNSON TO DO A TWIRL AROUND THE FLOOR. THAT WAS THE CUTEST VIDEO EVER. SO YOU NEVER KNOW REALLY WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AT THAT EVENT. BUT IT'S JUST AN OPEN HOUSE FOR ANYBODY TO COME BY THE CHAMBER AND SAY HI. SO THAT'S DECEMBER 16TH. THAT'S. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OUTSTANDING JOB, NANCY. AND WE SEE THE FRUITS OF YOUR SUCCESS, RIGHT, OF THE CHAMBER'S SUCCESS. SO ALSO, I. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. YES, MA'AM. I WOULD LIKE TO JUST ADD A PERHAPS A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE TO ELABORATE ON. WE'RE ALL GOING TO PLAY OK ON THE VIDEO. WE HAVE A PACKED AUDIENCE. AND WHILE US ON COUNCIL, WE WE CAN VISUALIZE BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN THERE. IF THERE BE SOME WAY ON THE NEXT PRESENTATION TO PUT IT ON THE. OH SURE. SCREENS. ABSOLUTELY. POWERPOINT OF THE SORT SO THEY CAN SEE WHAT THESE EVENTS LOOK LIKE. WHO IS FOLLOWING THESE EVENTS. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE WEST MELBOURNE MAYORS COMING TO PALM BAY IN OUR CITY, YOU KNOW, SO THINGS OF THAT NATURE, I THINK THAT'LL BE GREAT FOR THE AUDIENCE AND EVERYONE TO SEE HOW WE SEE IT BECAUSE WE'RE THERE. SO THAT'S ALL. AND WE TAKE LOTS OF PICTURES. ACTUALLY, I WANTED TO DO THAT AND THEN THEY WENT, OH, I DIDN'T GET IT TO THEM BY MONDAY. SO MY, MY APOLOGIES BECAUSE I REALLY WANTED TO DO THAT THIS TIME, SO I'M SO SORRY. SO I WANTED TO START ON THE OTHER END OF THE GUIDANCE AS WELL. ANY COMMENTS WOULD YOU LIKE TO WEIGH IN? COUNCIL? THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MARY AND NANCY, THANK YOU FOR THE POSITIVE PROGRESS REPORT, EVERYTHING THE CHAMBER IS DOING. ALSO, THANK YOU FOR THE CHAMBER HIGHLIGHTS AND PRESENTING OF WHAT THE CHAMBER'S GOING TO DO IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COUNCILMAN FOSTER, THANK YOU FOR PARTICIPATING IN THE CHRISTMAS PARADE. THAT WAS A NICE FLOAT. AND, YOU KNOW, THE CHAMBER HELPS PUT PALM BAY ON THE MAP. AND YOU JUST EXPLAINED THAT THROUGH YOUR PRESENTATION, HOW COMPANIES AND HOW LOCAL BUSINESSES ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THIS GREAT OPPORTUNITY CALLED PALM BAY AND PROMOTING THEIR BUSINESS. AND I THANK YOU AND YOUR STAFF. 100. YOU SAID 100 AND. 737. EVENTS. EVENTS. OH, I'M SORRY. 134. 109 EVENTS IN ONE YEAR. THAT'S A LOT. THAT'S A LOT WITH THE NUMBER OF STAFF YOU HAVE. THAT SHOWS YOU YOU'RE WORKING HARD. AND I APPRECIATE YOU AND YOUR STAFF. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DEPUTY MAYOR. MAYOR. AGAIN, NANCY, YOU KNOW, I'M A BIG FAN, RIGHT? I DON'T THINK I'VE MISSED AN EVENT, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY WHEN FOOD IS INVOLVED. RIGHT. BUT TRULY, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBERS SPEAK FOR ITSELF. RIGHT. THE NUMBERS YOU SHARE WITH US, THOSE ARE REAL NUMBERS. VERY IMPRESSIVE. THE WORK YOU DO AND VERY PROUD, NOT ONLY, YOU KNOW, PALM BAY'S, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE CHAMBER. A LOT OF THE EVENTS ARE HELD OUTSIDE OF PALM BAY. BUT TRULY, IT CARRIES THE NAME, CARRIES WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, HOW WE'RE CHANGING THE COURSE, CHANGING THE NARRATIVE OF PALM BAY. THIS IS THE CHAMBER TO BE A MEMBER OF. SO WE'RE PROUD OF THAT. AND THE NUMBERS, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, 28% SOLE PROPRIETORSHIP. THAT SAYS A LOT. IT'S NOT JUST THE BIG BUSINESS. HE'S THE INDIVIDUAL INSURANCE AGENT. [00:40:03] SO 28%, THE LARGEST PORTION THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT WHAT YOU DO. VERY IMPRESSIVE. I'M CURIOUS ABOUT ONE ONE STATISTIC YOU DIDN'T GIVE TO US IN TERMS OF RETENTION. VERY IMPORTANT. YOU CAN BRING BUSINESS IN. YOU DIDN'T SHARE THAT NUMBER. DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA IN TERMS OF. THAT'S FINE. I'LL GET THAT TO YOU. I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, I DO HAVE THE NUMBER, BUT I'M. I COULD BE OFF BY A FEW PERCENT, SO I DON'T WANT TO TELL YOU THE WRONG NUMBER, BUT I'LL ABSOLUTELY GET THAT TO YOU BECAUSE IT IS A CONCERN. I MEAN, IT'S ONE THING TO KEEP GETTING NUMBERS, BUT IF YOU'RE LOSING THEM, TOO, THAT'S NOT HELPFUL. SO THAT IS A NUMBER WE FOCUS ON. I SHOULD KNOW WHAT IT'S RIGHT ON MY WALL. BUT ANYWAY, WE DO IT MONTHLY. SO I LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE ABOUT, 76%. I KNOW FOR A FACT IT'S A GREAT NUMBER. I JUST WANT THE PUBLIC TO. OH, OKAY. YEAH, I'VE BEEN ENOUGH EVENTS, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S ABOUT 76%. AND SADLY, SOME OF THE BUSINESSES THAT WE LOST THIS YEAR ACTUALLY WENT OUT OF BUSINESS. THERE WAS A LARGE PERCENTAGE AND WE LOOK AT THAT AND WE ACTUALLY, MADAM SHERMAN AND MYSELF HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING LIKE WHAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO TO HEAD THAT OFF, BECAUSE OFTEN BY THE TIME THEY'VE COME TO THE CHAMBER, THEY'RE ON THEIR LAST GASP AND THEY'RE THINKING THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE THE SAVIOR THAT COMES AND EVERYBODY IS GOING TO SUPPORT THEIR BUSINESS AND THEY'LL BE FINE. AND, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY AND IT TAKES TIME TO BUILD RELATIONSHIPS AND TO GET THE NAME OUT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HAVING CONVERSATIONS OF HOW DO WE HEAD THAT OFF? AND EVEN SOMETIMES BY THE TIME THEY COME TO YOU, IT'S TOO LATE TO GET THEIR BUSINESS LICENSE BECAUSE WE HAD A MEMBER THAT WE DID A RIBBON CUTTING FOR. BY THE TIME WE WENT TO GIVE THEM THEIR FRAMED PICTURE, THEY WERE OUT OF BUSINESS. AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT TO SEE. AND SO IT'S LIKE, WHAT CAN WE DO? BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE PUT THEIR LIFE SAVINGS INTO THEIR BUSINESS. THEY, YOU KNOW, HAVE A GREAT PLAN OR THEY'RE A GREAT CHEF OR GREAT IDEA, BUT THEY'RE NOT BUSINESS PEOPLE. AND SO THEY DON'T DO THEIR BUSINESS PLAN AND THEY MAY SET UP THEIR CORPORATION WRONG OR THEIR COMPANY. AND SO IT'S LIKE, WHAT CAN WE DO TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE SO THAT THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN? AND SO WE'RE HAVING THAT CONVERSATION BECAUSE WE SEEM TO HAVE HIGHER NUMBERS OF THAT IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, SADLY. SO THAT IS I'M NOT SURE THAT I HAVE THE RIGHT SOLUTION FOR THAT YET. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE WORKING ON AND WE'VE WE'VE STARTED THAT CONVERSATION OF HOW WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE SO THAT THE NUMBERS ARE A LITTLE LOWER ON PEOPLE GOING OUT OF BUSINESS. FINANCING FROM PREMIER EVENTS TO EVEN PROVIDING RESOURCES FOR NEW ENTREPRENEURS. RIGHT? THAT'S THE KEY. AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE HITTING THE NAIL ON THE HEAD. AND I HAVE SUPPORTED THE CHAMBER FOR WELL OVER DECADES. RIGHT. BUT SOMETHING I WOULD LOVE TO SEE. PERHAPS YOU CAN WORK THIS OUT. I KNOW THAT YELLOW DOG IS IS ACTUALLY CATERING TOMORROW. WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT IF HE CATERED AND AND WE HAD THAT MEETING IN PALM BAY AT THE GREATER SENIOR CENTER. JUST JUST PERHAPS PERHAPS IN THE FUTURE, WE COULD HAVE A CATERED EVENT AT. WITHIN OUR CITY LIMITS, THAT'S ALL. SO ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT I HAVE MENTIONED IS BUSINESSES BEING LAST MINUTE LOSES. AND SO WE STARTED MONDAY WITH A HUNDRED. NOPE, NOT EVEN THERE WERE 75 PEOPLE THAT WERE COMING TOMORROW. WE HAVE 160 PEOPLE COMING. THERE IS NO CATERER ON THIS PLANET THAT IS ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE AN ADDITIONAL 75 PEOPLE IN A WEEK LIKE THEY JUST CAN'T. AND SO EITHER WE. YELLOW DOG, RIGHT? NO, THEY STEWARD WOULD ABSOLUTELY SAY, NO, THEY CAN'T. SO THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM IS BECAUSE THINK ABOUT HOW HARD IT WAS TO GET FOOD AND EVERYTHING AND GET EMPLOYEES. SO PART OF IT, LIKE STEWART CAN'T CATER ANYMORE. LIKE THEY DON'T REALLY IT'S IT'S THE PEOPLE FROM PROMISE AND THE PROMISES AND THOSE THAT ARE ACTUALLY RUNNING THE EVENT. STEWART'S JUST BRINGING THE FOOD SO THAT'S IT. EVENTS ARE A PAIN IN THE NECK. LET ME JUST SHARE THAT. AND SO WE DO A LOT OF THEM, BUT THEY'RE A PAIN IN THE NECK. AND ANY TIME FOOD IS INVOLVED, IT'S A REALLY LARGE PROBLEM GETTING CATERERS, GETTING YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO SET UP ALL THE TABLES AND HIRE PEOPLE TO DO THAT AND YOUR COSTS INCREASE. SO. YOU KNOW, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE SOMETHING HERE IN PALM BAY. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AS MUCH AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. THE ONLY THING WE DON'T IS OUR MONTHLY LUNCHEON AND SPACE COAST SYMPOSIUM, BECAUSE IT'S 350 PEOPLE AND WE DON'T HAVE A FACILITY. SO IF I FIND A PLACE THAT I'D LOVE THAT I EVEN WENT TO WORK AT RIVERVIEW. [00:45:01] BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT ABLE TO HAVE ANYTHING THERE EITHER. WE TRY. WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION. I KNOW FOR I KNOW I IT SOUNDS LIKE I'M TRYING NOT TO DO IT. I REALLY WOULD LOVE TO. WE OUTGREW THE LIFE CARE CENTER, REMEMBER? WE HAD IT THERE FOR YEARS. WE HAVE 155 PEOPLE COMING TO OUR LUNCHEON. WE USED TO HAVE LIKE 65 PEOPLE THERE. SO IT'S IT'S A PROBLEM BECAUSE WE'VE GROWN SO MUCH. IT'S A GOOD PROBLEM, BUT IT'S ONE THAT PALM BAY DOESN'T HAVE THE FACILITIES RIGHT NOW AND. WHAT'S IN PLACE THAT WE NEED TO HAVE TO HAVE A LUNCHEON. YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WHERE TO HAVE THE STATE OF PALM BAY BREAKFAST. SO, RYAN, MAYBE COMMODE. SO, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO, BUT WE'RE TRYING. WE JUST HAD A MEETING WHERE WE BROUGHT THAT UP AT A BCRA MEETING. SO WE'RE ALL TRYING AS WELL. YEAH. AND THAT WAS HIGHLIGHTED. YES. SO IF YOU HAVE IDEAS, I WOULD PLEASE, I'D LOVE THAT. BUT WE WE RUN THROUGH ALL OF THEM. PERHAPS. PERHAPS CAP IT AT, YOU KNOW, 130 AND THAT'S IT. YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. BUT CERTAINLY I WOULD APPRECIATE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. MAYBE YOU WANT ONCE A YEAR, THAT'S ALL. BUT YOU'RE DOING AN OUTSTANDING JOB, MAN. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. ALL RIGHT. THANKS. ALL RIGHT. GOD BLESS YOU, MAN. THANK YOU, NANCY. YOU DID AN OUTSTANDING JOB AND YOU REALLY HAVE DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB SINCE YOU'VE TAKEN OVER THE GREATER PALM BAY CHAMBER. [PUBLIC COMMENTS/RESPONSES] DEPUTY MAYOR, WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS NOW. YES, SIR, WE DO. WE'RE GOING TO START WITH MR. BILL BATON. I'LL FOLLOW BY RANDALL CHESKY AND ROBERT STICE. IL BATON 586. OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST. JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO TAKE ONE SECOND AND THINK ABOUT TOMORROW, DECEMBER 7TH. REMEMBER THAT DAY. FOLKS HAPPEN ONCE. IT'S HAPPENED TWICE, IT CAN HAPPEN AGAIN. DON'T FORGET THEM. GET ON THE MIC, BROTHER. THEY COULDN'T HEAR YOU. AND IT'S WORTH REPEATING, MASTER CHIEF. I SAID DON'T FORGET DECEMBER 7TH. IT'S HAPPENED ONCE. GET CLOSE TO GET. CAN YOU GET IT CLOSER, BROTHER? CAST. ONE, TWO, THREE, THREE, TWO, ONE. YES, SIR. BILL BATTON 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST. THIS REQUEST IS FIRST NOT TO FORGET DECEMBER 7TH. AND REMEMBER, IT'S HAPPENED ONCE. IT'S HAPPENED TWICE. IT CAN HAPPEN AGAIN. LET'S NOT FORGET ABOUT THOSE THAT PAID THE ULTIMATE PRICE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. MY NAME IS RANDALL OLSZEWSKI. I LIVE AT 348 BROOK STREET, NORTHEAST, AND THERE IS NO WAY ANYBODY IN THIS ROOM IS NOT GOING TO HEAR ME. THAT BEING SAID, I WILL REPEAT MR. BILL BAT AND SENTIMENT ALWAYS REMEMBER THE 7TH OF DECEMBER, A DATE THAT WILL ALWAYS LIVE IN INFAMY, UNFORTUNATELY. BUT REMEMBER IT. AND THANK YOU FOR ALL THE NAVY MEN AND ALL THE ARMED FORCES, SERVANTS AND VETERANS THAT ARE BEHIND ME AND BEFORE ME. THAT'S MY FIRST BIT OF GRATITUDE IS TO ALL OF YOU. MY NEXT BIT OF GRATITUDE IS TO ALL OF THE. THIS MIKE IS NOT GREAT TO ALL OF THE CITY STAFF AND EVERYBODY THAT WAS INVOLVED IN THE HOLIDAY LIGHT PARADE. IT WAS ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC. AS A MEMBER OF THE RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD, I WAS INVITED TO BE A JUDGE IN THE PARADE AND THAT WAS A FANTASTIC EXPERIENCE. MY FAMILY AND I ENJOYED IT VERY MUCH. I'D BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T SAY THAT I QUITE ENJOYED MY VIEW OF THE MAYOR ENJOYING HIS TIME. SO THAT BEING SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO EXPRESS GRATITUDE TO MOTHER NATURE FOR SPARING US, FOR THE MOST PART IN THE TWO HURRICANES THAT WE HAD. BUT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE CITY OPERATIONS, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE FROM THE CITY IS A LITTLE BIT OF A WRITE UP AS JUST HOW MUCH THOSE STORMS DID COST US FROM A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE, JUST SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT A NEAR MISS THAT THOSE CATEGORIES PENCILS OUT TO BE IN THE VEIN OF BUDGETING. MY MY NEXT BIT IS REALLY A REQUEST TO MY FELLOW CITIZENS. MANY OF YOU MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE WITNESSED ME GIVE THE GOOD FIGHT RIGHT HERE AT THIS PODIUM TO KEEP THE CITIZEN'S BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD INTACT. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, AS YOU HEARD, OUR NEWLY APPOINTED DEPUTY MAYOR ANNOUNCED WE HAVE TWO AT-LARGE POSITIONS THAT CONTINUE TO ROLL INTO COUNCIL AGENDAS BECAUSE NOBODY IS SUBMITTING AN APPLICATION. SO WE GOT A LOT OF WISE NOWADAYS, WHETHER IT'S ON THE FACEBOOK OR ANYTHING ELSE, THEY WANT TO SHARE THEIR OPINIONS AND HAVE TO BE HEARD. BUT UNFORTUNATELY OUR CITIZENS BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD ROSTER IS SUFFERING AND IT'S SUFFERING TO SUCH A DEGREE THAT I WAS INFORMED BY THE FINANCE STAFF THAT WE DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE ON THE BOARD TO HOST OUR WORKSHOP NEXT WEEK ON THE 14TH, BECAUSE AS OUR NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS TERM STARTED, THE PEOPLE THAT THEY APPOINTED TERMS EXPIRED. SO UNLESS THESE FINE COUNCILMEN APPOINT SOMEBODY AT THIS MEETING, WE WON'T EVEN BE ABLE TO HAVE THE MEETING NEXT MONTH. AND THAT'S A REAL TRAGEDY. SO IF OUR WORKSHOP GOES BY THE WAYSIDE FOR DECEMBER, SO BE IT. BUT I'M TALKING TO YOU, CITIZENS OF PALM BAY, THE CITIZEN'S BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD IS A PERFECT FORUM TO GO OVER ALL OF THESE DOLLARS AND CENTS ITEMS THAT YOU ALL HAVE A VESTED [00:50:04] INTEREST IN. AND FOR THREE COUNCIL MEETINGS, IT'S BEEN IT'S BEEN ANNOUNCED THAT TWO AT LARGE POSITIONS AND THERE'S NOT ONE OF YOU THAT'S SITTING THERE WATCHING THIS VIDEO RIGHT NOW OR HEAR MY VOICE BEHIND ME. THEY CAN FILL OUT A PIECE OF PAPER AND COME JOIN ME ON THE SECOND WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH. OUR MEETINGS ARE AT 630. THEY'RE RIGHT HERE IN THIS BEAUTIFUL DYAS. YOU GET TO SIT IN THE COMFY CHAIRS. YOU DON'T EVEN GET TO SIT IN THESE RIDICULOUS THINGS. OKAY, WE'VE GOT A CURFEW AT 9:00. WE WON'T KEEP YOU HERE TOO LATE. WE'LL GET YOU HOME BEFORE THE FOOTBALL GAME OR WHATEVER ELSE IS GOING ON. COME HANG OUT, HELP US THRIVE AND HELP US PROSPER AND HELP US BE CITIZEN PARTICIPANTS. THERE'S ONE PIECE OF GRATITUDE I FORGOT. AND THAT'S THE COUNCIL AND EVERYONE THAT WAS AT THE WORKSHOP YESTERDAY. OUR COUNCIL GAVE UP THEIR DAY JOBS TO COME WORK FOR A WHOLE DAY ON STRATEGIC PLANNING. I THOUGHT IT WAS FANTASTIC. I'M ONE LITTLE SEED OF AN IDEA I WANT TO PLANT IS OKRS. THE CONCEPT OF OBJECTIVES AND KEY RESULTS. READ THE BOOK BY JOHN DOER. LET'S DO IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HE'S A GOOD MAN. ROBERTS WAS 1796 WHEN BURKE DRIVE SOUTHEAST. I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR OVER A YEAR RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS THE MAJORS GOLF COURSE PROPERTY. YES, WE WANT IT TO BE A GOLF COURSE, BUT WE DON'T WANT IT DEVELOPED. WE WANT YOUR COMMITMENT AT FIVE ACRE LOTS. I'VE SAID THIS MANY TIMES, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND. THIS PROPERTY IS THE CENTRAL PARK OF BAY. YOU PUT 367 HOMES IN THERE. YOU HAVE DESTROYED BAYSIDE LAKES. LET'S TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC. CRIME OCCUR. OVERCROWDING, SCHOOLS, SHOPPING, HEALTH CARE AND TRAFFIC THAT MORE OFTEN THAN NOT RESULTS IN SERIOUS INJURY OR DEATH. IT'S CRITICAL. COUNSEL. COUNCILMAN FOSTER. YOU SAID I BELIEVE IT WAS AT LAST MEETING. NOW WE OUGHT TO LISTEN TO THE RED SHIRTS. ANY ARE WHEN WE'RE SIMPLY WE'RE SIMPLY PRESENTING A UNIFIED FRONT, ASKING YOU TO DO THE RIGHT THING. YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOU KNOW THAT I DO. MEALS ON WHEELS. THERE IS SO MUCH LAND TO BE DEVELOPED. I HEAR 40%. THERE'S PLENTY OF LAND TO BE DEVELOPED. LET'S NOT LOOK AT RUBBERSTAMPING FOR IMPACT FEES ON THIS. WE DEVELOPED THIS PROPERLY. EVERYBODY IN WELL, MANY PEOPLE IN HERE ARE PEOPLE OF FAITH. I'VE GOT TO BELIEVE THAT GOD'S GOT THIS. ALL RIGHT. I'M ASKING YOU TO STAY FIRM ON THIS. STAY FIRM ON THE FIVE ACRE LOTS. THE OWNER WENT FROM BUYING IT FOR 2.1 MILLION. LAST I HEARD, SHE WANTS 16 MILLION. I DON'T KNOW WHAT SHE'S SMOKING. OK. THE NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS A DEVELOPMENT HERE, AND IT'S GOING TO BE YOUR LEGACY AND HOW YOU WANT PALM BAY TO LOOK. HOW DO YOU WANT YOUR LEGACY TO BE REMEMBERED? YOU GOT ALL OF THIS THAT YOU CAN CREATE. EXCUSE ME, BUT DON'T MUCK IT UP. LET'S GET SOME THOUGHTFUL THINKING BEHIND THIS AND GET FEEDBACK IN THERE. YOU KNOW, BE PUT YOUR PRIDE IN YOUR BACK POCKET IF YOU FEEL LIKE IT'S NOT SOMETHING IT'S NOT THE RIGHT THING TO DO. LIKE THE 4100 HOMES THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AT HERITAGE AT THIS PARTICULAR TIMES. STAND UP AND SPEAK IT. SPEAK TO IT. UM. I GUESS IN CLOSING, I'M SAYING I WANT TO SAY THAT WE REALLY NEED TO GET THE OWNER TO MOW THIS PROPERTY. WE NEED TO ADOPT THAT LANGUAGE TO MOW IT SO IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE SUCH A DISASTER IN THERE. THERE'S FUTURE COMING IN HERE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. ALL RIGHT. I THINK IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE POSITIVE. SO PLEASE GIVE THAT TO CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. MADAM SHERMAN RANDLE OLSZEWSKI DISCUSSED ABOUT THE NEAR MISS OF THE TWO HURRICANES, AND I WANTED TO SEE IF WE CAN GO BACK, GET SOME NUMBERS AND MAYBE, IF ANYTHING, PUT IT IN THE MAYOR'S MESSAGE OR JUST HIGHLIGHT THAT INFORMATION TO EVERYONE. YOU KNOW, WE CAN CERTAINLY PULL THE DATA. WE'VE ALREADY BEEN PULLING IT FOR OUR FEMA REPORTING IN SUCH. SO. SURE. PERFECT. THANK YOU. JUST WANTED TO TOUCH ON THAT. CARRY ON, DEPUTY MAYOR MR. TAMBLYN AND MS.. EILEEN SAPP. GOOD EVENING. TIM BLEY IN 1992. WIND BROOK DRIVE. MR. FELIX, I GOT TO CONGRATULATE YOU ON YOUR I THINK IT'S A PROMOTION. I'M NOT SURE, BUT YEAH, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT HAPPENED, BUT CONGRATULATIONS. OKAY. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE PALM BAY VISION 2040 JUST A LITTLE BIT. [00:55:06] I WAS AT THE FIRST MEETING WITH PUBLIC COMMENTS AND WE HAD ALL THE WORK BOARDS UP THERE AND PUTTING STICKERS UP FOR RECREATION AND INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND ALL THE THINGS THAT SOME OF THE YOUR CONSTITUENTS WANTED TO SEE IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY. AND I GOT TO TELL YOU, THERE WAS A LOT OF GREEN RECREATION STICKERS ON THE PROPERTY KNOWN AS THE MAJOR'S GOLF COURSE. WHICH SHOULD SAY SOMETHING. RIGHT? RIGHT. SO I CAME TO THE SECOND PUBLIC MEETING ON THE PALM BAY 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND THEY HAD DEVELOPED SOME STORYBOARDS ON THE DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, RECREATION AND INDUSTRIAL AND HAD SOME PRINTED OUT MATERIALS. ON THE RECREATION BOARD. IT DID NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT A GOLF COURSE. AND THAT FIRST MEETING THERE HAD TO HAVE BEEN 50, 60 PEOPLE HERE AND THERE HAD BEEN STICKER ON TOP OF STICKER. ON TOP OF STICKER. BUT YET WE COME TO SOME. YOU KNOW, MIDTERM RESULTS FROM YOUR CONSULTANTS, AND THERE'S NO MENTION OF IT WHATSOEVER. MY OPINION TO ME, YOU KNOW, I LIVE ON THE FIRST GREEN THERE. I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF APPALLING. I THINK MAYBE, YOU KNOW, OVERSIGHT MAYBE UNDER SITE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT. I KNOW THERE'S CONVERSATIONS GOING ON THAT INVOLVE THE GOLF COURSE PROPERTY AND WE NEED TO WORK ON THAT AND DUE DILIGENCE. MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING FROM PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP THAT CAN BE LOOKED AT ON DEVELOPING, BUYING AND THEN REPAIRING THAT PROPERTY THAT WAS TAKEN FROM US. BUT SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE. AND IT NEEDS TO BE DONE QUICKLY. IN MY OPINION, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE FROM SOME OF OUR OTHER CONSTITUENTS HERE IN THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT. BUT PLEASE, PLEASE. AS ROBERT SAID, AS EVERYBODY ELSE SAYS. PLEASE KEEP IT UNDER CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MADAM CHAIRMAN, ANYTHING TO DO WITH VISION 2040 REGARDING THE GREEN SPACE. BUT YOU WANTED TO ENLIGHTEN US OR NOT PARTICULARLY. I BELIEVE THE STORYBOARDS WERE JUST GLOBALLY. SPEAKING OF RECREATION AS A CATEGORY TOPICS. IT DOES NOT MEAN WE HAVE LOST SIGHT OF THE MAJORS GOLF COURSE FOR SURE. OR GOLFING IN GENERAL. OKAY. THANK YOU, MA'AM. MARION DEPUTY MAYOR. ELAINE'S SUP? MY NAME IS EILEEN SEPP. I STAND HERE TODAY AS A CITIZEN OF PALM BAY WHO HAS LIVED IN THE PORT MALABAR COUNTRY CLUB SECTION FOR MORE THAN 32 YEARS. BY THE WAY, WE DON'T HAVE A GOLF COURSE. THERE'S NO COUNTRY. CAN YOU PULL THE MIKE CLOSER? THANK YOU, MA'AM. I APPRECIATE THAT. WE DON'T HAVE A GOLF COURSE ANYMORE, AND THERE SHOULD BE AT LEAST ONE IN A BIG CITY LIKE PALM BAY. I HAVE ALWAYS APPRECIATED THIS CITY FOR ITS SENSE OF COMMUNITY WHERE NEIGHBORS WATCH OUT FOR AND ARE HELPFUL TO ONE ANOTHER. I'VE BEEN FORTUNATE TO FIND THAT THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE IN PALM BAY WHO SELFLESSLY CONTRIBUTE TO THE BETTERMENT OF THIS CITY AND ITS RESIDENTS. HOWEVER, I'M NEW TO THIS PROCESS AND THE LAST MEETING THERE WAS SOME THINGS THAT I OBSERVED. I WAS DISTURBED BY THE TREATMENT OF ONE OF OUR CITIZENS WHO RACED TO THIS MEETING LAST MONTH TO VOICE HER VERY REAL CONCERNS ABOUT A PENDING DEVELOPMENT. AFTER WATCHING THE PROPOSAL ONLINE AND WHEN HER GENUINE DISCLOSURE OF HOW YOUR DECISION WOULD AFFECT HER COMMUNITY WAS CONCLUDED, SHE WAS TOLD SHE WAS TOO LATE. I FAIL TO SEE WHY NO ONE OFFERED A MOTION TO RECONSIDER THE DECISION, AT LEAST PENDING FURTHER INVESTIGATION. ALSO, I'VE LEARNED THAT A COUNCIL MEMBER WHO WAS RECENTLY RE ELECTED TO THIS BOARD WAS ALLOWED TO VOTE ON A PROJECT OFFERED BY A COMPANY THAT MADE A $1,000 CONTRIBUTION TO HIS CAMPAIGN WITHOUT RECUSING HIMSELF. THIS WREAKS OF QUID PRO QUO PAYOLA OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. HIS VOTES ON THIS MATTER SHOULD BE NULLIFIED. I WATCHED THIS SAME COUNCIL MEMBER DELIVER AN EXTENDED DIATRIBE AS TO WHY HE SHOULD OPPOSE AN AGENDA ITEM, ONLY TO REVERSE HIS POSITION ON THE WORD OF HIS VOTING BLOC LEADER. THIS IS A PATTERN THAT HAS NOT GONE UNNOTICED BY THE ELECTORATE. [01:00:02] IF YOU CANNOT USE YOUR VOTES TO PROMOTE THE BEST INTERESTS OF YOUR PALM BAY CONSTITUENTS BY VOTING YOUR CONSCIENCE FORMED BY YOUR INDIVIDUAL ASSESSMENT OF EACH ITEM PRESENTED TO THIS COUNCIL, THEN PLEASE STOP PRETENDING TO BE A NONPARTIZAN ASSEMBLY. REVEAL YOURSELVES FOR THE PARTIZAN BLOCS TO WHOM YOU HAVE SOLD YOUR SOUL TO EXCHANGE FOR POWER IN EXCHANGE FOR POWER, INFLUENCE, AND PERSONAL PROFIT. IF YOU CAN'T DO THIS, YOU SHOULDN'T BE HERE. PEOPLE DESERVE BETTER. THEY DESERVE TO BE HEARD. WHERE DID THIS CONCLUDE? PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC ARGUMENTS. AND WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER ONE PUBLIC HEARINGS. [PUBLIC HEARINGS] WHAT IS 2022? THAT'S 114. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY. BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, ESTABLISHING THE MALABAR SPRINGS COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 190 FLORIDA STATUTES, PROVIDING FOR NAMING THE INITIAL MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF THE DISTRICT, ESTABLISHING A NAME OF THE DISTRICT, DESIGNATING THE PURPOSE OF THE DISTRICT. DESIGNATING THE POWERS AND SPECIAL POWERS OF THE DISTRICT. PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE. PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THANK YOU, MISS SMITH. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE APPLICANT PRESENT THEIR CASE. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. IT'S GOOD TO BE WITH YOU ALL AGAIN TONIGHT. I THINK WE WERE HERE ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO. THERE WAS A PRESENTATION MADE. I'M REALLY HERE JUST ANSWERING QUESTIONS YOU ALL MAY HAVE. THANK YOU. AND SO ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? MADAM CHAIRMAN, ANY COMMENTS? YOU'D LIKE THAT BEFORE I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? NOTHING FURTHER. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK FOR AGAINST THIS ITEM? ANYONE. I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASKING FOR A MOTION SO MOVED. SECOND GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON SINGING BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX. ANY DISCUSSION, COUNCILMAN? AFTER ALL, SAD MAYOR. DEPUTY MAYOR. NOTHING ELSE, SIR. OKAY. I'M POSING THE QUESTION. ALL IN FAVOR. SAY. SIGNIFY BY SAYING I. I ALL OPPOSED. SAY NAY. NAY. ROLL CALL. MARY FELIX I COUNCILMAN JOHNSON I COUNCILMAN FOSTER I COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO MA MEDINA NEI. PASSES, MOTION PASSES, 3 TO 2. ITEM NUMBER TWO. MADAM SMITH, THE FOLLOWING ITEMS ARE QUASI JUDICIAL IN NATURE. PUBLIC HEARINGS, AGENDA ITEMS. NUMBERS TWO, FOUR, FIVE, SIX AND SEVEN. ANY PERSON WHO WISHES TO TESTIFY ON SUCH A MATTER MUST MUST SIGN A SPEAKER CARD WHICH CONTAINS A SWORN OATH TO TELL THE TRUTH. ANY INDIVIDUAL ADDRESSING THE COUNCIL MUST STATE HIS OR HER NAME AND CONFIRM THAT A SPEAKER CARD HAS BEEN SIGNED. ATTORNEYS WHO ARE APPEARING ON BEHALF OF A PARTY AND NOT PROVIDING TESTIMONIAL EVIDENCE ARE NOT CONSIDERED WITNESSES AND NEED NOT BE SWORN. COUNSEL TO DISCLOSE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION I DISCLOSED IN THE SUBJECT MATTER OF THE COMMUNICATION AND THE IDENTITY OF THE PERSON, GROUP OR ENTITY WITH WHOM THE COMMUNICATION TOOK PLACE. THE ORDER OF THIS PROCEEDING WILL BE AS FOLLOWS. FIRST, THE APPLICANT WILL MAKE HIS PRESENTATION, FOLLOWED BY STAFF COMMENTS, FOLLOWED BY ANY AGGRIEVED OR ADVERSELY AFFECTED PARTY THAT HAS COMPLIED WITH SECTION 59.3. EACH WILL HAVE A MAXIMUM OF 30 MINUTES. ANY SPEAKER MAY BE SUBJECT TO CROSS-EXAMINATION BY THE COUNSEL OR ANY OTHER INTERESTED PARTY, OR A MAXIMUM OF 15 MINUTES PER WITNESS. ANY OTHER PERSON MAY SPEAK FOR A MAXIMUM OF 3 MINUTES. THE APPLICANT WILL THEN BE ALLOWED CONCLUDING REMARKS FOR A MAXIMUM OF 10 MINUTES. THE QUASI JUDICIAL BODY MAY MODIFY THE TIME LIMITS ON ITS OWN MOTION OR UPON REQUESTS OF A PARTY TO THE PROCEEDING. THE HEARING WILL THEN BE CLOSED AND NO ADDITIONAL TESTIMONY OR ARGUMENT WILL BE ALLOWED. THE COUNCIL WILL THEN DELIBERATE IN PUBLIC AT THE END OF DELIBERATION. A COUNCIL MEMBER WILL MAKE A MOTION ON THE APPLICATION TO BRING THE MATTER TO A VOTE. EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER IS IN FREE TO VOTE IN FAVOR OR AGAINST THE MOTION. OR IT IS 2020 2-1 24, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY. [01:05:01] BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TITLE 17 LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, CHAPTER 185 ZONING CODE SUBCHAPTER SUBDISTRICT REGULATIONS MODIFYING PROVISIONS RELATED TO MODEL HOMES. PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES. MY APOLOGIES. THIS IS ONE IN WHICH IT'S NOW FOR THE CITY MANAGER. THERE IS ACTUALLY NO RESOLUTION FOR ME TO READ. BETTER. I THANK YOU, SIR. THIS IS A REQUEST BY RICHARD AND MARGARITA MIRANDA FOR A VARIANCE TO ALLOW THE CUMULATIVE SIZE OF EXISTING AND PROPOSED ACCESSORY STRUCTURES TO EXCEED THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURES LIVING AREA BY 2060 SQUARE FEET, AS ESTABLISHED BY SECTION 185.118. SEE PALM BAY CODE OF ORDINANCES. THIS IS A PROPERTY THAT IS AT 4.08 ACRES. IT'S RURAL RESIDENTIAL. THE PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD LIKE TO. THEY HAVE A VARIETY OF ACCESSORY STRUCTURES. THEY WOULD LIKE TO ADD ADDITIONAL ACCESSORY STRUCTURES THAT WOULD EXCEED THE LIMIT PLACED BY THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. BUT BASED ON THE PROPERTY AND THE USE OF THE PROPERTY, STAFF HAS NO CONCERNS AND RECOMMENDS GRANTING THE VARIANCE REQUEST. SO THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE. THE APPLICANT HERE. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET TO MY CLOSE BROTHER. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. MY NAME IS RICHARD MIRANDA AND I RESIDE AT 1802 ARDEN LANE. THAT'S NORTHEAST PALM BAY. AND YEAH, I GUESS I. IT WAS A BIT NAIVE OR. UM. JUST NOT SO SHARP ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE WHEN I PURCHASED THE PROPERTY ABOUT SEVEN YEARS AGO, MY WIFE AND I HAD IMAGINED BUILDING AN OUTBUILDING BECAUSE I DO WOODWORKING AS A HOBBY. AND I, YOU KNOW, WE SAVED OUR PENNIES. AND WHEN WE GOT TO A PLACE WHERE WE WERE COMFORTABLE DOING IT, AS I LOOKED INTO IT, I FOUND OUT THAT THERE WAS THIS LIMITATION. I GUESS IF MY HOUSE WERE TWICE AS LARGE, I'D HAVE BE ABLE TO BUILD MORE OUTBUILDING. BUT THE HOUSE IS KIND OF MODEST. IT'S JUST THE TWO OF US. AND SO THERE'S ALREADY AN OUTBUILDING THERE WHICH USED TO BE A DOG KENNEL, AND I KIND OF USE IT FOR A GYM AND SOME OTHER THINGS. BUT SO AS IT TURNS OUT, I'M THANKFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PETITION FOR THIS VARIANCE IF POSSIBLE, AND WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? COUNCIL COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE DOING ANY TOURISM ON YOUR PROPERTY IF YOU BUILD A THING. I'M SORRY, AGRITOURISM. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A WEDDING VENUE THERE OR YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE. OH, NO, NO. A BUTCHER SHOP OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? YEAH. NO, NOTHING LIKE. AND THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS A. SO THERE'LL BE NO BUSINESS AROUND MY PROPERTY BESIDES YOUR WOODWORKING WOODWORK. HOBBY? IT'S A HOBBY OF MINE. I'VE BEEN DOING IT SINCE I WAS TEN. THANK YOU, SIR. YEP. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, COUNSEL? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY SPEAKER CARDS. EX-MAYOR. MR. BILL BURTON. YOU. BILL BATON 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST. THIS IS ONE MORE INDICATION OF THOSE TIMES WHERE AN ORDINANCE WAS WRITTEN FOR THE AVERAGE LOT IN PALM BAY INSTEAD OF THE RURAL, RESIDENTIAL OR THE AGRICULTURAL LANDS WHERE IT'S NOT UNCOMMON TO HAVE YOUR OUTBUILDINGS LARGER THAN YOUR HOUSE. IT'S NOT UNCOMMON AT ALL. I WEIGH £130. MY LIVESTOCK WEIGHS 1200 POUNDS. SO JUST BY PROPORTIONATELY THEY NEED MORE SPACE THAN I DO. THIS IS ONE MORE TIME WHERE YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER. I'M NOT SAYING REWRITE EVERY ORDINANCE FOR ONE SPECIAL EVENT OR OCCASION, BUT THIS IS LANDOWNERS RIGHTS AND THIS IS WHAT THEY BOUGHT THE LAND FOR. IT SHOULD KIND OF BE GRANTED TO THEM WITHOUT HAVING TO BE IN FEAR THAT I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO ENJOY MY FREEDOMS. LANDOWNER RIGHTS SHOULD BE LANDOWNER RIGHTS. I'M NOT SAYING REWRITE YOUR ORDINANCE, BUT I AM SAYING YOU MIGHT HAVE WRITTEN THEM A LITTLE STRICT FOR BEING A GOVERNMENT REGULATING HOW THE PEOPLE LIVE ON THEIR OWN LAND. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER SPEAKER CARDS. OH, MAYOR. OKAY. I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK FOR A MOTION SO MOVED AND A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. SECOND SINGING BY COUNCIL. COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO. ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION, GENTLEMEN? SEEING NONE MAYOR. YES, IF I MAY. [01:10:01] I'M IN CERTAIN IN SUPPORT OF THIS TO TO BUILD THAT POINT. I BELIEVE THIS WILL PROBABLY BE THE THIRD APPLICATION, SIMILAR APPLICATION THAT COMES BEFORE THIS BODY TO TO HIS POINT, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF PRECEDENT THAT'S SET FOR A SIMILAR REQUEST. I'M CERTAINLY IN FAVOR OF IT, BUT THAT MAY BE TIME THAT WE MAY WANT TO, AS A BODY, CONSIDER THAT ORDINANCE AND SEE IF WE CAN MAYBE JUST REVISIT IT. WELL, I'M I'M FOR THAT AS WELL. SO I'VE GOT I'VE GOT FOUR MEMBERS. YES. SO, MADAM, MADAM SHERMAN, HOW DO OR SHOULD WE MAKE THIS PART OF THE MOTION TOO? OR JUST YOU GOT THE CONSENSUS ON US MOVING TO SHARPEN UP THAT THAT GIVES US THE DIRECTION. OKAY, SO I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I I ANY OPPOSE PASSES. HOUSE IS 4 TO 1 WITH COUNCILMAN FOSTER IN THE NAME. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. THIS IS 4 TO 1. CONGRATULATIONS, SIR. ITEM NUMBER. ITEM NUMBER THREE OR IT IS 2022. DASH 124. AN AUDIENCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. TITLE 17 LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. CHAPTER 185. ZONING CODE. SUBCHAPTER SUBDISTRICT REGULATIONS. I MODIFY PROVISIONS RELATED TO MODEL HOMES PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT. HEREWITH, PROVIDING FOR INCLUSION IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY CODE OF ORDINANCES. PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE. PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THANK YOU, MA'AM. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT THEIR CASE. GOOD EVENING. TREY WILLIAMS WITH LGI HOMES. WE CURRENTLY RESIDE AT 620 MALABAR. WE ARE IN A RETAIL CENTER DOING BUSINESS AND BUILDING ON SCATTERED LOTS THROUGHOUT PALM BAY. WE ACQUIRED TWO SIDE BY SIDE LOTS AND WANTED TO BUILD OUR TRADITIONAL MODEL HOME WITH AN ADJOINING PARKING LOT ON LOTS THAT WE OWN. THE ORDINANCE CURRENTLY DICTATES THAT YOU CAN ONLY HAVE ONE DESK AND ONE PHONE LINE AND CANNOT CONDUCT BUSINESS IN THE MODEL HOME. SO WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS, ASKED GREAT QUESTIONS, GOT GREAT, GREAT COOPERATION FROM THE CITY. AND WE HAVE OUR WE'VE AMENDED THE ORDINANCE SO NOW WE CAN DO BUSINESS IN HERE AND WE WILL CONVERT IT BACK TO A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE. WHEN AND IF WE SELL OUT A PALM BAY ON SCATTERED LOTS, WE DO THIS IN 92 OTHER COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY, 14 CURRENTLY IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. AND WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN SUCCESSFUL AT DOING IT, BUT WE JUST WANTED THE ORDINANCE. SO ALL BUILDERS HAVE TO DO THE SAME THING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT. TO ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK FOR AGAINST THIS ITEM. SEEING NONE. I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASKING FOR A MOTION SO MOVED. GOT A MOTION BY A MOTION BY DEP OR COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX. COUNCILMAN. NOTHING TO ADD. IT NEEDS TO BE CONSISTENT ACROSS THE BOARD. SO I WHOLEHEARTEDLY APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THIS TO OUR LIGHT. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. THAT'S ALL. ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. THANK YOU. I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON OR DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX. COUNSEL AND HE HAD ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION. MY LEFT SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I I ANY OPPOSE PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ITEM NUMBER FOUR. GORDON SMITH WARNS 2020 2-1 25, AN AUDIENCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY. BROWARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, MEANING THE ZONING ORDERS OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, CHANGING THE ZONING OF PROPERTY FROM A NEW AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL OF OUR COUNTY TO C C COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, WHICH PROPERTY IS LOCATED NORTH OF AND ADJACENT TO EMERSON DRIVE, THE VICINITY OF ST JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY. ILLEGALLY DESCRIBED HEREIN PROVIDING FOR CHANGES THE ZONING MAP PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MAN. I'M OPENING UP THE PUBLIC HEARING TO ASK THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT THEIR CASE. GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL ANNA SAUNDERS WITH BFC CONSULTANTS. IT'S TAKEN ME A LITTLE BIT TO GET USED TO THE SWITCHING OF SEATS, SO I APOLOGIZE IF I DIRECT THE NAME TO THE WRONG PERSON. SORRY, I'M SPEAKING THIS LOUDLY AS I CAN. IS IT? YEAH. [01:15:02] YOU COULD YOU COULD RAISE THE. RAISE IT UP MORE. ACTUALLY, ELECTRON. YES, MA'AM. YEAH, I THINK I WAS THAT TALL, BUT MAYBE I AM GOOD, MA'AM. THANKS. BETTER WE ARE HERE THIS EVENING TO REQUEST A REZONING FOR A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT CURRENTLY HAS COMMERCIAL LAND USE ON IT. IT'S NORTH OF EMERSON DRIVE, AND IT IS DIRECTLY EAST OF THE PARKWAY INTERCHANGE OR INTERSECTION. AGAIN, IT CURRENTLY HAS A LAND USE OF COMMERCIAL WITH A ZONING REGULATION ON IT. THAT'S AEW, SO IT'S A PLACEHOLDER. IT REVERTED BACK SOME 15 YEARS AGO. SO TONIGHT WE'RE HERE REQUESTING FOR COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL OR ZONING TO MAKE IT CONSISTENT WITH YOUR LAND USE. IT WILL CREATE A TOTAL OF 60 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL IN THAT INTERSECTION AREA. IF YOU'VE GOT ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM AND WE JUST RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL. MA'AM. SO THIS IS THIS IS UNIQUE TO ME. UH. FROM YOU, RIGHT. LAST LAST, LAST MEETING, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT 198 ACRES. YES, SIR. AND LOSING 27 OF THEM AND NOT GETTING ANY. SO. BUT NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 14. SO AGRICULTURAL, RIGHT TO. SO IT'S GOT A COMMERCIAL LAND USE UNDERLYING. SO THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DESIGNATION IS REALLY, TRULY JUST A PLACEHOLDER. IT'S A COUNTY ZONING DESIGNATION. SO, AGAIN, IT ACTS AS A PLACEHOLDER. SO WE CAN'T REALLY DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN RUN COWS ON IT AT THE MOMENT. SO IN ORDER TO DO ANY KIND OF DEVELOPMENT, WE'D EITHER HAVE TO COME IN WITH A LAND USE CHANGE AND OR A ZONING REQUEST THAT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING LAND USE. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING ASKING FOR THE COMMERCIAL LAND USE ZONING. THANK YOU, SIR. ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, MA'AM. YOU'RE WELCOME. HAPPY TO BRING SOMETHING THAT MAKES YOU SMILE. THANK YOU, MA'AM. ANY SPEAKER CARDS. OKAY. SO I'M GOING TO CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK FOR A MOTION SO MOVED AND A MOTION BY OR BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECOND SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX. ANY DISCUSSION, COUNCILMAN? NO, MAYOR. I'M EXCITED TO HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS ADDED TO OUR COMMERCIAL TAX BASE, SO. YEAH. SO THAT'S ALL. I WOULD ECHO THE SAME COMMENT. SO IT'S GREAT TO SEE THOSE REQUESTS COMING THROUGH. YES, SIR. AS YOU KNOW, LAST TIME OUT OF 1198 ACRES, ALL I WAS ASKING FOR WAS 27. SO I WELCOME THIS ONE, TOO. SO ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I, I ANY OPPOSE PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ITEM NUMBER FIVE. AUGUST 20, 22, DASH 126 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY. BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA APPROVING A FATAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO BE KNOWN AS EVERLANE'S PHASE TWO, ALSO KNOWN AS NICOYA IN A NEW AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL BREVARD COUNTY ZONING WITH PROPERTIES LOCATED WEST OF AND ADJACENT TO ST JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY AND VICINITY NORTH OF EMERSON DRIVE. ILLEGALLY DESCRIBED HEREIN PROVIDING FOR A COMMENCEMENT PERIOD. PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT THEIR CASE. THAT'S ME AGAIN. ANNA SAUNDERS WITH BFC CONSULTANTS. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. AGAIN, THIS FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS THE NEXT PHASE IN THE OVERALL PALM VISTA EVERLANE'S DEVELOPMENT AND IS LOCATED IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER INTERSECTION OF EMERSON AND THE PARKWAY. EARLIER THIS YEAR, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT A COUPLE OF KEY POINTS. EARLIER THIS YEAR, THE DEVELOPER OF THIS PROPERTY COMPLETED THE UTILITY EXTENSION OF BOTH THE WATER MAIN AND THE FOREST MAIN UP THE PARKWAY FROM JUST SOUTH OF THE C-1 CANAL. DRAG IT ALL THE WAY UP TO EMERSON AND MADE THAT INTERCONNECT. THIS PROJECT WILL FURTHER THAT EFFORT AND FURTHER EXTEND THE UTILITY ABOUT HALF A MILE NORTH ALONG THE PARKWAY. THE PROJECT ITSELF IS APPROXIMATELY 144 ACRES. IT PROPOSES 398 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, WHICH ARE COMPRISED OF A MIXTURE OF 40 AND 50 FOOT UNITS. THAT EQUALS A DENSITY OF JUST LESS THAN THREE UNITS AN ACRE. THE DEVELOPMENT WILL BE CONSTRUCTED IN FOUR PHASES OVER 2 TO 3 YEAR PERIOD WITH AN ANTICIPATED COMPLETION DATE IN LATE 2024. THE RESIDENTS IN THIS COMMUNITY, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WILL ENJOY A CENTRALLY LOCATED AMENITY FACILITY WITH A CLUBHOUSE AND POOL VIEWS AND VISTAS ACROSS LAKES AND INTO WETLAND AREAS BY WAY OF A THOUGHTFULLY PLANNED OPEN SPACE AND PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. THERE'S MINIMUM 50 FOOT WIDE BUFFERS THAT LINE THE PARKWAY WITH ADDITIONAL BUFFERING ALONG THE SITE'S PERIMETERS, SO ALONG ALL THE NORTHEAST AND WESTERN PERIMETERS AS WELL. THE PROJECT IS PLANNED, PROVIDES APPROXIMATELY 40% OF GREEN OPEN SPACE. JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE DEVELOPMENT COMPONENT. [01:20:01] THERE ARE TWO PRIMARY VEHICULAR POINTS OF CONNECTION FOR THE PROJECT ONE TO THE PARKWAY TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE LIMITED ACCESS COMPONENT OF THE PARKWAY. AND THEN ONE TO EMERSON DRIVE, JUST TO BRING UP AND I HIGHLIGHTED THIS AT THE LAST MEETING, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT AGAIN, THE EMERSON PARKWAY TRAFFIC SIGNAL ACTUALLY IS GOING TO BE ON YOUR NEXT MEETING AGENDA FOR AWARD FOR DESIGN SERVICES. THE ANTICIPATED DESIGN PROCESS FOR THAT IS ABOUT 60 TO 90 DAYS FOR THE DESIGN TO BE COMPLETE, AND IT'S ESTIMATED THAT THAT STRUCTURE, THE SIGNAL ITSELF, WILL ACTUALLY BE CONSTRUCTED AND OPERATIONAL BY THE END OF NEXT YEAR, IF NOT SOONER. JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT A TRAFFIC STUDY FOR THIS PROJECT WAS COMPLETED BACK IN JANUARY OF 2022 AND REVIEWED BY STAFF. WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF UPDATING THE TRAFFIC COUNTS JUST TO GET CURRENT NUMBERS. WE ANTICIPATE HAVING THAT REPORT COMPLETED BY THE END OF NEXT WEEK AND TURNED IN TO STAFF. AS SOON AS THAT'S ACCEPTED, WE'LL START WORKING ON OUR PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE ANALYSIS SO THAT ANY TRIPS THAT THIS PROJECT CONTRIBUTES TO VARIOUS INTERSECTIONS AROUND THE AROUND THE SURROUNDING AREA WILL BE PROVIDED, PAID FOR BY THE PROJECT. AND I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW, WE'RE EXCITED FOR THIS NEXT PHASE OF THE PROJECT TO COME UP. WE HOPE YOU ARE, TOO. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. PROFESSOR. I'M EXCITED, BUT YOU'RE NOT DISCUSSING. BUT THAT COMMERCIAL JUST. IT IS. AND I'M SURE YOU'RE RIGHT. WE ARE FLANKED BY COMMERCIAL TO THE SOUTH SO THAT 60 ACRES IS SORT OF NESTLED IN THE CENTRAL AREA OF THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS ANOTHER REASON WHY WE'RE ONLY SHOWING THAT ONE ACCESS TO THE PARKWAY ON THE NORTH SIDE, THERE'S A TWO ACRE COMMERCIAL PARCEL DIRECTLY SOUTH OF US THAT WE ANTICIPATE WILL HAVE A WRITE IN, WRITE OUT. THERE ARE THERE HAS ALREADY BEEN NEGOTIATIONS AND CONVERSATIONS WITH THE RESIDENTIAL LANDOWNER AND THE COMMERCIAL LANDOWNER SO THAT THERE ARE CROSS ACCESS EASEMENTS BEING PUT IN PLACE TO TRY AND MAKE SURE OUR RESIDENTS HAVE ACCESS TO THESE COMMERCIAL PARCELS WITHOUT HAVING TO GO EXTERNAL TO THE SITE ON THE PARKWAY OR EMERSON. SO TO FURTHER REDUCE TRIPS AND MAKE IT AN AMENITY FOR THE RESIDENTS AS WELL SO THAT THEY'LL HAVE ACCESS. YES, SIR. JUST WALKING DISTANCE OR. THAT'S CORRECT. WALKING. OKAY. YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR COVERING THAT, BECAUSE I WANTED YOU GOOD WITH THAT. SAME. SAME. THAT WAS A QUESTION. ANY QUESTIONS, COUNSEL? THANK YOU. I GUESS WE WERE SURE READING OUR SAME THOUGHTS. ABSOLUTELY. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MA'AM. YES, SIR. NO, NO, I'M GOOD. YOU ANSWERED ALL MY. THANK YOU, MA'AM. DEPUTY MAYOR. AND YOU SPEAK ACCORDS? NO, SIR. NOT. NOT ON THIS SIDE. OKAY. I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK FOR A MOTION. SO MOVED. SECOND, I GOT A MOTION BY. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, NOTHING ELSE TO ADD. MAYOR, YOU HIT IT RIGHT ON THE HEAD. WHAT I WAS ABOUT TO JUMP ON. SO I APPRECIATE YOU HIGHLIGHTING MS.. SAUNDERS, BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A BALANCE OF BOTH, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO SEE THE COMMERCIAL FAIL OVER THERE AS WELL. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND I'M EXCITED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL BEING CONSTRUCTED BEFORE WE EVEN HAVE DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA TOO. SO. COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO ANYTHING. MAYOR, JUST TO ADD ON TO COUNCILMAN JOHNSON'S COMMENTS, WHICH ARE ALL LEGITIMATE, I MEAN, THERE'S EIGHT INTERSECTIONS HERE WHICH ARE GOING TO BE IMPROVED DURING YOUR BUILDOUT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU FOR THE 40% OPEN SPACE. THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT I'VE ADVOCATED FOR AS WELL AS AS COUNCIL. SO THANK YOU. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I I ANY OPPOSE PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER SIX. RESOLUTION 2022, DASH 63, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, GRANTING A CONDITIONAL USE FOR A PRIVATE SCHOOL IN R.C. TWO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT ZONING, WHICH PROPERTIES LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF MALABAR BOULEVARD, BIANCA DRIVE AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED HEREIN RUNNING THE USE IS A CONDITIONAL USE PROVIDING FOR CONSTRUCTION TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SITE PLAN, PROVIDING FOR A COMMENCEMENT PERIOD, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT THEIR CASE. HI, CHERYL AND FLETCHER. I'M JUST WANTING TO BE ABLE TO GRIND TO BRING A LOT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ESPECIALLY WITH THE CHILDREN AND A SMALL PRIVATE SCHOOL IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY. WE WISH TO HOPE THAT WE BE ABLE TO HAVE THIS FACILITY THERE. BIANCA, I'M JUST OPEN FOR QUESTIONS. DO YOU. IS THIS SCHOOL EXISTING NOW? DO YOU HAVE EXISTING STUDENTS OR SOMETHING? STUDENT YES, WE DO HAVE A MELBOURNE CAMPUS. [01:25:01] SO AGAIN, WE HAVE A MELBOURNE CAMPUS AS WELL. WE HAVE A MELBOURNE CAMPUS, RIGHT? YES. AND YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE STUDENTS FROM THE PALM BAY AREA AND WE HAVE STUDENTS FROM PALM BAY, MOST OF OUR STUDENTS FROM PALM BAY AND MELBOURNE. OKAY. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. THANK YOU, MAYOR. APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY STUDENTS ARE YOU EXPECTING? WELL, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ABOUT MAYBE 50. SO MOST WE CAN DO IS PROBABLY 80 TO 100. OKAY. AND I KNOW A TRAFFIC STUDY IS REQUIRED. THE REASON WHY I ASKED THAT QUESTION IS BECAUSE IN REGARDS TO PINEAPPLE COVE IN THE LAMAR AREA, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL DIDN'T HAVE THE ABILITY OF SEEING BEFORE US AND WE DIDN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO VOTE ON IT BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF STUDENTS THEY'VE HAD THAT INCREASED THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA. SO THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING. SO I HAD AN IDEA BEFORE YOU DO THE TRAFFIC STUDY WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE OVER THERE. SO THANK FOR THAT. AND THIS IS ON BIANCA DRIVE, COUNCILMAN, WHICH IS JUST OFF OF PORT MALABAR BOULEVARD. SO YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT COMMERCIAL OR ANY WAY ON PORT MALABAR? I BELIEVE COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO HAD A QUESTION JUST SAYING. BOB THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO ARE YOU WILLING TO CAP IT AT I KNOW IT'S A K THROUGH 12 SCHOOL, SO TO SAY THAT'S 80 STUDENTS THROUGH K THROUGH 12. ARE YOU WILLING TO CAP IN AT 80? I'M NOT SURE. QUESTION ONE MORE TOWARDS STAFF. WHAT'S THE FIRE MARSHAL SUGGEST FOR STUDENT SIZE? MAYBE IT'S MORE THAN 80. YES, THE BUILDING HOLDS APPROXIMATELY 128, BUT OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT WHEN THEY HAD THE SUNDAY SCHOOL. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WOULD HOLD NOW, BUT WE ARE WILLING TO CAP IT AT 80 BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE AN EXISTING CAMPUS IN MELBOURNE. OKAY. SO ARE YOU WILLING TO MAKE IT A CONDITION TO KEEP IT AT 80? BECAUSE I DO FEEL LIKE IT CAN WORK. THERE IS A LOOP AROUND THE WHOLE CHURCH THERE. YES, I'VE SEEN THE PROPERTY. IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE LAID OUT BETTER THAN THE PREVIOUS. SCHOOL, IF YOU WILL. SO, YEAH, IF YOU WILLING TO CAP IT, I'LL PROVE IT. THANK YOU. I THINK IT'S CURRENTLY A CHURCH NOW. RIGHT. AND SO. OR IT WAS BUILT FOR A CHURCH AND. YEAH, I'M GOOD WITH. I DON'T KNOW IF CAPPING IT AT 80 IS IS WE MAY BE STUNTING THE POTENTIAL FOR FOR GROWTH. RIGHT. IF IF IT WAS BUILT FOR CAPACITY AT 128. RIGHT. Y YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE COULD STRIKE A SWEET SPOT WITH CAPPING IT AT 100. COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? AS LONG AS THE TRAFFIC STUDY COMES THROUGH AND IS THAT I'M FINE WITH THAT. I JUST DON'T WANT TO REPEAT WHAT HAPPENED TO ME. YES, SIR. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT. BUT I THINK IT COULD WORK. ABSOLUTELY. MAYBE WE SHOULD ALSO TALK ABOUT STAGGERING THE RELEASE TIMES OF THESE SCHOOLS, OF THIS SCHOOL IN PARTICULAR. JUST KIND OF LEARN FROM OUR MISTAKES AND IMPLEMENT SOME PLANS HERE. I AGREE WITH THAT. THAT'S A GREAT THAT'S GREAT FORESIGHT. YES, SIR. SO JUST JUST A SECOND. I'LL GET TO YOU. COUNCILMAN FOSTER, I JUST WANT. WOULD YOU BE WOULD YOU BE OKAY WITH CAPPING IT AT 100? YES. OKAY. OKAY. CARRY ON. COUNCILMAN FOSTER. YEAH? I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS CAPPING BUSINESS. FIRST OF ALL, THE REASON WHY I'M SAYING THAT IS THAT ANOTHER SCHOOL WITHIN A MILE FROM WHERE YOU WANT TO BUILD YOUR SCHOOL. I AM NOT SURE. NO, I DON'T. I DON'T THINK SO EITHER. AND. WHAT'S THE FIRE CODE? THE FIRE CODE FOR THAT BUILDING. WE I DON'T I KNOW WE HAVE THE ALARM SYSTEM ALREADY THERE. THE UPDATED ONE IS ALREADY IN THERE. MOST OF THE STUDENTS WILL BE BUSED, SO IT'S NOT WHERE YOU'LL HAVE THE PARENT LOOP. BUT WE DON'T HAVE A BUS. TRANSPORTATION. YOU DO HAVE BUS TRANSPORTATION TO BRING IN YOUR STUDENTS. YES. AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BUILDING CAPACITY OCCUPATION CAPACITY. THE BUILDING CAPACITY IS 128. OKAY. AND THAT'S A CERTIFICATION FROM THE CITY, RIGHT? ALL OF THE. YES, WE HAVE PUT IN EVERYTHING I'VE DONE, ALL THE PAPERWORK, GIVING ALL THE SITE PLANS AND THE SURVEYS AND DEVELOPMENT LINE DEVELOPMENT WAS ALSO DONE EVEN BEFORE THE PURCHASE OF THE PROPERTY. YOU CAN'T GO OVER 120. WHAT YOU SAID 120 828. RIGHT. AS FAR AS PEOPLE INSIDE THEIR. YOU CAN. YES, ACCORDING TO THE CODE. OH, YOU CAN'T GO. IF YOU DO, YOU'LL BE VIOLATING OUR CITY CODE. YES. BUT THAT'S WHY I SAY. I MEAN, WHY ARE WE PUTTING A SCREEN ON A BUSINESS, A SCHOOL IN PARTICULAR? BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE THE REASON WHY YOU PUT INTO SCHOOL. IT'S A NEED, RIGHT? YES, SIR. THERE'S A NEED. AND I DON'T WANT TO HANDICAP A KID FROM ERNIE. WHEN YOU GOT 80, 79 PEOPLE IN MY FAMILY CAN'T SEND MY TWO KIDS TO YOUR PRIVATE SCHOOL BECAUSE IT'D BE 82. 81. SO THAT'S. THAT'S THE WAY I SEE IT. WE ALREADY GOT A CAP OF OF BUILDING OCCUPATIONS. [01:30:05] YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THIS BUILDING RIGHT NOW. WHAT'S THE CAP HERE? WE ALWAYS OVERFLOW. OKAY, INSIDE THIS CHAMBERS. I MEAN, WE VIOLATE OUR OWN CODE, PROBABLY. BUT SO WHY ARE WE CAPPING THIS BUSINESS? THAT'S WHY I DON'T I DON'T AGREE WITH. I THINK THE POINT, COUNCILMAN FOSTER, WAS, YOU KNOW, THE STRUCTURE WAS BUILT IN THE SIXTIES. RIGHT. AND I THINK COUNCIL WANTS TO, YOU KNOW, LOOK OVER, YOU KNOW, THAT TRAFFIC. WHAT WAS IMPORTANT TO ME TO HEAR FROM OUR APPLICANT WAS THAT THEY BUSED IN THE STUDENTS. SO THAT THAT TO ME, WHAT WE'RE CONCERNED WITH, LIKE COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO IS IS THE TRAFFIC STUDY CONDUCTED. BUT IF THEY'RE BUSING IN THEIR STUDENTS, THE BUS COMES IN, DROPS THEM OFF. SO OUR CONCERNS OF CREATING THAT MASSIVE. BLOCKAGE OF TRAFFIC WOULD BE DEFINITELY SHOULDN'T BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION. BUT THAT'S HOW THE COUNCILMAN FORCED. I WAS JUST TRYING TO ANSWER AND GIVE YOU HEIGHTENED AWARENESS OF WHY THE CAP CAME INTO PLAY. THAT'S HOW THAT'S HOW IT. APPRECIATE THE PLAY, MA'AM. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU HIGHLIGHTING THE FACT THAT YOU'RE BUSING THE CHILDREN IN. AND THEN BUT THERE ARE SOME NEIGHBORHOODS IN THERE. THEY MAY WANT TO HAVE STUDENTS THERE AS WELL. RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CONCERNED WITH. IF IT WOULD CREATE A TRAFFIC JAM. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? DEPUTY MAYOR OF THE AFRICAN. OH, MAYOR, I THINK IT'S A GREAT DISCUSSION. WE PRETTY MUCH COVER EVERYTHING. I THINK I'M GOOD WITH THE REQUESTS AS AS PRESENTED. I DON'T REALLY HAVE MUCH TO ADD. I THINK IT'S CERTAINLY A PLUS TO THE TO THAT COMMUNITY. THAT'S THE MOSAIC OF BUILDING THAT CHURCH. YEAH. SO SO CERTAINLY SOMETHING LIKE THAT WILL YOU KNOW, IT'S A POSITIVE FOR A LONG TIME, THAT CHURCH BEING EMPTY, THAT BUILDING BEING EMPTY. IT'S GREAT TO SEE. IT'S GOING TO GET, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY A NEW LOOK AND THEN CLEAN UP SOME. SO I THINK OVERALL, IT'S A POSITIVE FOR THE COMMUNITY. SO I WELCOME CERTAINLY A PRIVATE CHRISTIAN SCHOOL, I SUPPOSE. RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MA'AM. THANK YOU. ANY SPEAKER. THANK YOU, MA'AM. ANY SPEAKER CARDS? DEPUTY MAYOR. NOT FOR THE SIDE. OKAY, SO I'M GOING TO ANY ADDITIONAL. YES. IF YOU DON'T MIND, MAYOR, GO AHEAD. SO WITH THAT 140 PERSON LIMIT, THAT WAS FOR A CHURCH. BUT IF YOU DO A SCHOOL, THERE'S DESKS, THERE'S CHAIRS, ETC.. SO IS THERE A POSSIBILITY OF THAT NUMBER EITHER INCREASING OR DECREASING BASED ON THE ADDITIONAL STUFF THAT'S GOING TO BE ADDED TO THAT BUILDING? SO I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MEMBER OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT COME UP AND HELP US OUT WITH THAT. I APOLOGIZE. OR FIRE MARSHALS. NOT HERE TONIGHT TO COVER THAT, BUT. CHIEF. ROTH. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS BOB. FIRST ASSISTANT CHIEF PALM BAY FIRE RESCUE. THAT DEPENDS ON THE PARTICULAR BUILDING, THE LAYOUT, THE WALLS AND THE DESK ARRANGEMENTS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE REVIEWED BY THE FIRE INSPECTOR TO PROVIDE YOU AN ACCURATE ANSWER ON THAT. OTHERWISE, I'D BE SHOOTING IN THE WIND THERE. ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE LOCATION? I'M NOT. SORRY ABOUT THAT. ANYTHING FURTHER? ANY ADDITIONAL. GO AHEAD. COUNCILMAN FOSTER. CHIEF. SO IF THE FIRE MARSHAL COME IN AND LOOKS THE LAY OF THE LAND, HOW THE BUILDING IS SET UP FOR A SCHOOL. AND HE WILL PUT. WHAT WOULD HE DO AFTER THAT? HE WOULD PUT A OCCUPANCY RATE. THEY WOULD DETERMINE AN OCCUPANCY RATE. HOW MANY OCCUPANTS COULD OCCUPY THAT SPACE. AND SHE CAN'T GO OVER THAT RATE. CORRECT. SO IT'S KIND OF DICTATED BY THE BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. CORRECT. YES, SIR. FOR LIFE SAFETY. IS ANYTHING TO DO WITH TRAFFIC? NO, SIR. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SO YOU WOULD SET THE CAPACITY? YES, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MAYOR. JUST FINAL QUESTION FOR STAFF, FOR THE SPECIFIC FOR THE SPECIFIC PROJECT. YOUR STAFF WILL REVIEW IT AND SET A NEW OCCUPANCY RATE IF NEEDED. IF NEEDED. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. THAT'S COOL. THANK YOU, SIR. AND THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. NO SPEAKER CARDS. OKAY. I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASKING FOR A MOTION SO MOVED AND A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. SECOND SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN FOSTER. ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION. [01:35:01] COUNCIL COUNCILMAN FOSTER ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION. THAT'S WHY I WAS SAYING ABOUT THE OCCUPANCY RATE. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE CODES, WE HAVE FIRE MARSHALS. THEY'RE GOING TO DICTATE HOW MANY PEOPLE COULD BE IN THAT BUILDING AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TRAFFIC. SO THAT'S WHY I WAS MAKING MY POINT. SO I'M GOING TO SUPPORT. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN FOSTER. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I I ANY OPPOSE PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. RESOLUTION 2022 64, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, GRANTING A CONDITIONAL USE FOR A FREIGHT HANDLING AND TRANSPORTATION TERMINAL IN LYE LIGHT, INDUSTRIAL AND WAREHOUSE DISTRICT ZONING, WHICH PROPERTIES LOCATED IN THE VICINITY OF THE SOUTHWEST CORNER, OR DOROTHY FIELDS AVENUE AND NORTH VIEW STREET. AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED HEREIN, GRANTING THE USE AS A CONDITIONAL USE. PROVIDING FOR A COMMENCEMENT PERIOD. PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THANK YOU, MA'AM. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT THEIR CASE. HI. GOOD EVENING. WOW, THAT'S REALLY LOUD. KELLY HEFFERNAN, LAND DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIES. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT TONIGHT TO DISCUSS THIS CONDITIONAL USE TO ALLOW FOR A SMALL SCALE FREIGHT HANDLING AND TRANSPORTATION TERMINAL AT THIS EXISTING INDUSTRIAL SITE. CURRENTLY, BEFORE THE PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED, IT WAS A GARBAGE DUMPSTER STORAGE YARD. SO WE'RE REALLY HOPING TO CLEAN THINGS UP AND MAKE THEM BETTER. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO UTILIZE THE EXISTING SITE TO RECEIVE DELIVERIES AND TRANSFER PACKAGES FOR HOME AND BUSINESS DELIVERY TO SMALLER VEHICLES. AND THE WAY THAT THAT WOULD WORK IS AT THIS TIME, IT IS A SINGLE 16 FOOT BOX TRUCK THAT WOULD DROP OFF THE PACKAGES AND THEN THEY WOULD BE LOADED INTO THE EXISTING WAREHOUSE BUILDING WHERE THEY WOULD BE SORTED AND THEN PLACED INTO 10 TO 15 SMALLER VANS AND VEHICLES. IT MIGHT SEEM A LITTLE INTERESTING THAT AN ENTIRE DAY'S WORTH OF PACKAGES FIT INTO A 16 FOOT BOX TRUCK, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF THESE DHL IS THEIR PRIMARY CUSTOMER. IT'S A LOT OF LETTERS AND ENVELOPES, INTERNATIONAL THINGS, OVERNIGHT LETTERS, PASSPORTS. SO THEY'RE VERY SMALL, NO PACKAGES IN ANY CASE, OR OVER £60. AND THE VAST MAJORITY OF EVERYTHING IS £25 OR LESS OR LETTERS IN ENVELOPES. SO THE SITE IS REALLY ONLY OCCUPIED 25% OF THE DAY. THERE'S THE ONE DELIVERY GETS BROUGHT INTO THE BUILDING AND THEN SORTED AND PLACED INTO THE SMALLER VEHICLES FOR DELIVERY TO YOUR HOMES AND BUSINESSES. OKAY, LET'S SEE HERE. OTHER THAN COMPANY VEHICLES BEING STORED ON SITE, THERE WILL BE NO LONGER ANY OUTDOOR STORAGE AND ALL WAREHOUSING AND OFFICE USES WILL TAKE PLACE INDOORS. UPON APPROVAL OF THE CONDITIONAL USE, THE APPLICANT WOULD UTILIZE THE SITE AS IT EXISTS, BUT HAS FUTURE PLANS TO IMPROVE THE SITE WITH A COVERED PACKAGE TRANSFER AREA, A CANOPY AND POSSIBLE LONG TERM PLANS OF A SMALL BUILDING EXPANSION WHICH THEY WOULD MEET ALL SITE PLAN CRITERIA AT THAT TIME. CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATIONS ARE EVALUATED BASED ON GENERAL REQUIREMENTS AND CONDITIONS OF SECTIONS 180 5087. IN THIS CASE MEETS AND WILL CONTINUE TO MEET THOSE CONDITIONS IN THE FUTURE. APPROVAL OF THIS CONDITIONAL USE WILL LEAD TO IMPROVED ESTHETICS OF THE SITE. THE DUMPSTERS HAVE ALREADY BEEN REMOVED AND OTHER CLEANUP WILL OCCUR ON THE PROPERTY, INCLUDING LANDSCAPING AND A FENCE. THIS USE IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA AND WILL BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. WE DID HOLD A COMMUNITY MEETING ON OCTOBER 26TH. WE RECEIVED ONE PHONE CALL AND WE HAD ONE PERSON IN ATTENDANCE WHO IS THE PROPERTY OWNER TO THE SOUTH, AND THEY REQUESTED THAT WE INSTALL SHRUBS ALONG THE EAST PROPERTY LINE AND THAT WE LIMIT OUR OUTGOING DELIVERY OPERATIONS ONLY BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 6:30 A.M. AND 9:00 PM. AND WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT. THERE IS ONE CORRECTION I DO WANT TO MAKE ON THE MEMORANDUM THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU. WE AGREED TO LIMIT THE OUTGOING DELIVERIES BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 6:30 A.M. AND 9:00 PM, AND I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD. 6:30 A.M. AND 9 P.M. ALL THE DELIVERY DRIVERS THAT MAKE DELIVERIES TO HOMES AND BUSINESSES, THEY OPERATE DURING DAYLIGHT HOURS. SO THAT'S NO ISSUE. THERE ARE SOME CASES, THOUGH, WHERE WE MIGHT NOT HAVE CONTROL OF WHEN THE 16 FOOT BOX TRUCK COMES AND MAKES THAT DROP OFF, JUST LIKE A WALMART OR ANOTHER RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE CONTROL OVER THAT. [01:40:04] SO WE DID AGREE TO LIMIT THE OUTGOING DELIVERIES WHERE ALL THE STAFF COMES IN BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 6:30 A.M. AND 9 P.M.. RIGHT ALONG THAT SAME VEIN, MA'AM, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THOSE DELIVERIES. RIGHT. AND THOSE THOSE COMMERCIAL VEHICLES GOING IN AND OUT. RIGHT. PERHAPS LIMIT THE WAY THEY DRIVE INTO NEIGHBORHOODS. PERHAPS THEY SHOULD NOT GO INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND GO OUT TO THE COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR. RIGHT. RIGHT. THEY'D HAVE NO PLANS OF DRIVING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS UNLESS THERE IS A REASON TO DELIVER A PACKAGE TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. YEAH. THEY COULD REALLY MAKE THE CONNECTION, CORRECT? THEY COULD EASILY MAKE THAT TURN AND GO INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT? YES. AND I WILL MAKE NOTE OF THAT. WE DO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE COMPANY HERE AS WELL. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON BUSINESS OPERATIONS, THAT THAT WOULD BE MY MY CONCERN THAT, YOU KNOW, TO LIMIT THE TRAFFIC GOING FOR THAT COMMERCIAL, THERE'S A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR THAT THEY MAY BE ABLE TO USE EVEN IF THEY HAVE TO GO AROUND THE BALLOT. RIGHT. AND NOT CUT THROUGH IS ALL I'M THINKING. OKAY. YES. AND THEY HAVE NO PLANS ON CREATING ANY MORE DRIVEWAYS TO DOROTHEA FIELDS. THEY'RE GOING TO KEEP THE NORTH VIEW DRIVEWAY, AND THAT'S ALL. THAT'S ALL THEY NEED. OKAY. RIGHT. IT'S ONLY SO IN THE MORNING, YOU'LL HAVE 10 TO 15 VEHICLES LEAVE TO GO MAKE THE DELIVERIES. AND THAT'S NOT REALLY A MAJOR IMPACT ON THOSE ROADWAYS. IT'S ACTUALLY A VERY SMALL SCALE OPERATION. IT'S NOT AN AMAZON OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I SEE. ALTHOUGH WE WOULD WELCOME AN AMAZON AT ANOTHER LOCATION. JUST. JUST SAYING. JUST WANTED TO SAY. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU, MA'AM. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. OH, THANK YOU. AND I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THE OPAQUE FENCE. WILL IT BE FACING DOROTHEA FIELDS? THAT IS WHAT STAFF HAS TOLD US IS REQUIRED. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. JUST CONFIRMING. YES. COUNCILMAN FOSTER? YEAH. THANK YOU FOR COMING IN TO PALM BAY. YOU KNOW, FOR THE LAST 12 MONTHS, I'VE BEEN COMPLAINING. ALL I SEE IS AMAZON TRUCKS. BUT THEY'RE NOT IN PALM BAY. THEY'RE OUTSIDE OF MELBOURNE, WHICH I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT HAPPENED. THEY LOVE DRIVING IN PALM BAY FOR SOME REASON. BUT NOW WE GOT DHL. YES. AND HOW MANY JOBS THAT'S GOING TO CREATE? APPROXIMATELY 12. 12 JOBS. SO, AGAIN, IT'S A IT'S A SMALL SCALE OPERATION, BUT THAT WILL MOSTLY BE THE DELIVERY DRIVERS THAT COME IN AND SORT EVERYTHING AND THEN GO OUT AND DO THEIR DELIVERIES. I HOPE YOU OUTPACE FEDEX AND AND AMAZON. WE DO, TOO. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. DEPUTY MAYOR AND SPEAKER. YES, MAYOR. MS.. CONNIE MCCLARY. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. MAYOR MEDINA, DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON AND. NO. OKAY. I'M SORRY I CHANGED LAST. OKAY. DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX. CASTLEMAN JOHNSON, COUNCILOR FOSTER AND COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO. RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING. HOW ARE YOU ALL DOING TODAY? GOOD NIGHT, MS.. KELLY. KELLY SAID SHE HAD A MEETING FOR THE COMMUNITY. I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT. I WISHED I WOULD HAVE KNOWN ABOUT. I WOULD HAVE BEEN THERE. BY ME BEING THE PRESIDENT OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH. BUT ANYWAY, ON BEHALF OF THE MEMBERS AND RATHER THAN A POWERFUL SUBDIVISION THERE OF THE GREAT THE GREAT CONCERN ON THE DECISION TO ALLOW REZONING OF THE PROPERTY TO CONDITIONAL USE TO ADDRESS THEIR TRANSPORTATION AND FREIGHT BUSINESS, THE PRIOR OWNERS NAY, NAY, NAY, THE ROOFING COMPANY HAD NO REAL IMPACT ON COMMUNITY AS FAR AS NOISE AND ENTER AND LEAVING SAID PROPERTY. DHL PLANS TO USE. TO USE PROPERTY TO DELIVER AND TRANSPORT FREIGHT PACKAGES AND LETTERS WITH 16 FOOT TRUCKS AND 10 TO 15 VANS, ASSORTED VEHICLES IN OUR RESIDENTIAL AREA, WHICH WILL BRING A LOT MORE VEHICLE TRAFFIC NOISE. OF THE VEHICLE ENTERING AND LEAVING PROPERTY DURING THEIR PROPOSED WORK HOURS OF 6:30 A.M. TO 9 P.M. SIX DAYS A WEEK. WE POWER IS ASKING FOR THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION ON THEIR CONDITIONAL USE FOR ZONING PERMIT, CHANGE THEIR WORK HOURS FOR TRUCK TRANSPORT AND ONLY WITHIN THE HOURS OF 8 A.M. TO 8 P.M.. IT WAS AN EXIT TO DHL. [01:45:03] B OFF RJ COLIN INSTEAD ON NORTH VIEW STREET. DON'T READ THE FEAR. THEY'LL READ THE FEAR. THAT WOULD KEEP BUSINESS TRAFFIC OUT OF OUR COMMUNITY. WE ARE ALSO ASKING THAT A. OPAQUE FENCE. BE PLACED FACING DON'T BREATHE THE FIELD ADJACENT PROPERTY TO ELIMINATE THE NOISE IN OUR COMMUNITY AS WE ALREADY HAVE PUBLIC WASTE SERVICES PLUS 58 GARBAGE TRUCKS STARTING UP AT 6 A.M. MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. IT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT DHL IS IN TALKS WITH NORTH SHORE DEVELOPMENT TO BUILD A WALL OR FENCE TO SEPARATE THE BUSINESS AND APARTMENT. SO WHATEVER THE OUTCOME OF THIS AGREEMENT IS, WE ARE ASKING FOR THE SAME FOR OUR COMMUNITY. AND I KNOW IN THE BEGINNING WHEN THEY FIRST CAME THERE, IT WAS A PROBLEM. THEY WAS PARKING ON THE SIDE OF THE STREETS INSTEAD OF PARKING IN THE FENCE THEY EMPLOY WERE. BUT NOW I SEE THAT THEY HAVE BEEN PARKING IN THE FENCE. SO MY CONCERN ALSO, AS THEY BUILD THIS, GROW WHERE THEY APPLAUD YOU, IS GOING TO PARK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MA'AM. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER SPEAKER CODES FOR THIS FOR THIS ITEM. MADAM APPLICANT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO REBUT? SO A COUPLE OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HEARD. WAS THE NOISE IN THE TRAFFIC. AND WE REALLY THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE A LOW INTENSITY USE. THE SITE IS ONLY ABOUT AN ACRE. IT'S JUST OVER AN ACRE. SO EVEN ANY FUTURE BUILDING EXPANSION, IT WOULD JUST MEAN MORE STUFF HAPPENING INDOORS. THEY'RE NOT TRANSFERRING ANYTHING OUTSIDE AND WE HAVE A VERY LOW VOLUME OF EMPLOYEES AND WE'RE NOT MOVING WE'RE NOT MOVING DUMPSTERS AND LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY. YOU WON'T SEE WHAT YOU SAW THERE BEFORE IN TERMS OF RESTRICTING THE OUTGOING TO 8 A.M. TO 8 P.M.. THAT JUST DOESN'T WORK FOR A DELIVERY COMPANY. YOU REALLY NEED TO GET YOUR EMPLOYEES THERE EARLY KIND OF AT DAYBREAK AND GET THEM OUT DELIVERING PACKAGES. SO WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO STICK FROM THE 6:30 A.M. TO 9 P.M.. USUALLY THEY'RE IN WELL BEFORE 9 P.M., BUT WE IF WE SAID 730 TO 8, WE DON'T WANT TO PIGEON HOLE OURSELVES INTO THAT. SO 630 TO 9 GIVES US A LITTLE COMFORT, ESPECIALLY DURING THE HOLIDAY SEASON WHEN EVERYTHING'S IN FULL SWING. OPAQUE FENCE TO THE NORTH. ABSOLUTELY. WE'RE GOOD. WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT. PARKING CONCERNS. EVEN IF THEY BROUGHT IN A FEW MORE EMPLOYEES. THERE'S SO MUCH UNUTILIZED LAND THERE THAT THERE REALLY ISN'T ANY ISSUE OF OVERFLOW PARKING. SO THERE'S THE 10 TO 15 VEHICLES ON SITE. THE EMPLOYEES COME IN AND THEY SWITCH VEHICLES AND LEAVE. SO WE DON'T WE DON'T FEEL LIKE THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH THE AMOUNT OF PARKING THAT'S ON SITE. AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. SO SHE COVERED 16 FOOT TRUCKS. YES. YEAH. THE 16 FOOT TRUCK, THAT'S THE ONE THAT COMES IN THAT GETS UNLOADED INTO THE BUILDING AND THAT THAT 16 FOOT TRUCK OFFERS A FULL DAY'S WORK FOR 12 PEOPLE. OH, ALSO, I WANTED TO ADDRESS THE COMMUNITY MEETING. WE DID SEND OUT INVITATIONS TO EVERYONE WITHIN 500 FEET, INCLUDING RESIDENTS OF THAT HOA. SO IF IT DIDN'T GO FAR ENOUGH INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO GET SOME OTHER PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE CONCERNED, WE APOLOGIZE. BUT WE DID. WE DID NOTICE THEM. AND I DID GET A CALL FROM THE GENTLEMAN WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY TO THE NORTH, THE RESIDENTIAL PEACE. AND SHE ALSO BROUGHT UP. RJ CONLIN. AN ENTRANCE TO COLON. SO TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH NORTH VIEW TO R.J. CONLAN, I THINK SHE MEANT FROM THE PROPERTY TO CREATING A CUT THROUGH RIGHT TO R.J. CONLAN. I DON'T THINK THAT'S POSSIBLE, BUT WE ABSOLUTELY WOULD DIRECT OUR TRAFFIC, I THINK. WAS THAT WHAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO, MA'AM? YES, MA'AM. I GOT YOU. OKAY. YEAH. WE DON'T WE DON'T TOUCH R.J. CONLAN. WE DON'T HAVE A WAY TO DO THAT. BUT OUR TRAFFIC IS GOING TO GO NORTH, NORTH DUE TO R.J. CONLAN, WHICH THEN IS OPEN TO THE REST OF THE WORLD. I'LL BE THAT THE PALM BAY WORLD. YEAH. THAT WAS PARTLY WHY I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AS LONG AS YOU GO INTO THE COMMERCIAL SIDE. ABSOLUTELY. WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I THINK THAT COVERED MOST OF HER QUESTIONS THAT I THAT I GOT. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS THE APPLICANT OR COUNCILMAN FOSTER. UM, I THINK SHE'S ANSWERED MY QUESTION. R.J. CARLISLE. BUT YOU GOOD WITH DEFENSE? YES. YES. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS IN THE FUTURE, MA'AM, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO ME. AND WE DID. WE DID SEND OUT NOTICES. [01:50:02] AND I HAVE A CARD BACK IN MY IN MY BAG, IF YOU'D LIKE. THAT'S OKAY. THE VAN THAT'S GOING TO BE DELIVERED IN THE PACKAGE, THAT'S. IT'S JUST A REGULAR, NORMAL DELIVERY VAN. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. YOU WANT TO COME UP, RYAN, REAL QUICK? GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS RYAN ROBERTS, DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. YEAH. THESE THESE DELIVERY VANS, THEY'RE NOT LIKE THE FEDEX BIG BOX. YEAH, LIKE THE BREAD TRUCKS. SO THESE ARE SMALL CARGO VANS. CHEVY EXPRESS, FORD TRANSIT, NOT THE BIG UPS, FEDEX THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO SLAM THE DOOR IN THE BACK AND DELIVER YOUR PACKAGE. RIGHT. SO THESE ARE MUCH, MUCH SMALLER VANS. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT. AND YOU KNOW THE SPEAKER CHORDS ARE ARE YOU ARE YOU COMPLETED WITH YOUR YOUR COMMENTS, MA'AM? OKAY. OKAY, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK FOR A MOTION MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 22, DASH 64 WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS WORK HOURS TO BE FROM 630 TO 9. WHAT ELSE? INTEREST IN ELECTRICS. ENTRANCE AND EXIT TO POUR ONTO RJ COLIN AND NOT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD FROM NORTH VIEW NORTH AS WELL AS THE OPAQUE FENCE TO BE PLACED FACING DOROTHEA FIELDS. OR OUTGOING DOROTHY. FEEL SORRY. SO I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN FOSTER. THERE'S NOTHING ELSE OUT THERE THAT COUNCILMAN FOSTER YOU SECOND THE MOTION. ANY COMMENTS? NO, I THINK I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN FOSTER. GOOD. YES, SIR. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I. I ANY OPPOSE, SIGNIFY BY SAYING NAY. AND HE OPPOSE PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. ORDINANCE 2022. DASH 119. AN AUDIENCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, GRANTING THE CODE OR AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. TITLE NINE GENERAL REGULATIONS. CHAPTER 93 REAL PROPERTY NUISANCES SUBCHAPTER UNSIGHTLY AND UNSANITARY CONDITIONS MODIFYING PROVISIONS RELATED TO UNAPPROVED REAL PROPERTY. PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT HERE WITH PROVIDING FOR INCLUSION IN A CITY OF PALM BAY CODE OF ORDINANCES PROVIDED FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THANK YOU, MA'AM. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND DEFER TO MS.. SHERMAN. THANK YOU. I WILL ASK ALEX BERNARD, OUR GROWTH MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR, TO COME UP AND INTRODUCE THIS ITEM. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. THIS ITEM IS BEFORE YOU. IT CAME BEFORE YOU A FEW WEEKS AGO AND IS BACK. AND SO THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE DEFINITION OF AN IMPROVED AND IMPROVED REAL PROPERTY. AND SO WHAT HAPPENS OFTENTIMES IS WE BRING A LOT OF TEXTUAL AMENDMENTS BEFORE YOU. AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE SCENARIOS WHERE WE WERE LOOKING AT A DEFINITION AND DECIDED THAT IT NEEDED CLEANUP, IF WE WILL. AND THAT IS WHY IT'S BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING AND ALL OF THE INFORMATION IS IN YOUR PACKET. ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL OF STAFF. AND NONE. THANK YOU, MA'AM. SPEAKER CARDS. DEPUTY MAYOR SIR, WE HAVE QUITE A FEW OF THEM. MAYOR WE'LL START WITH MR. JACK SPEER, FOLLOWED BY MS.. HEATHER JOINER. IT'S ALL VIRAL. THE APPOINTEE BEFORE THE SPEAR. YOUR MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS JACK SPARROW. 5205 BABCOCK STREET, PALM BAY. I REPRESENT THE OWNER OF THE MATRIX GOLF COURSE, JOY LLC. MY CLIENT OWNS THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 200, A LITTLE MORE THAN 200 ACRES THROUGH LIKE MANY OF THE COURSES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, GOLF COURSE HAS BEEN CLOSING DOWN. THEY HAVE NOT BEEN SUPPORTED. SOME MUNICIPAL COURSES OPERATE, BUT PRIMARILY THEY OPERATE AT A LOSS. [01:55:01] THAT'S THE SAME PROBLEM THAT'S OCCURRED WITH THIS SITUATION, WITH THIS GOLF COURSE HERE. UNDERSTANDABLY, THE RESIDENTS ARE UPSET. THERE'S BEEN SOME CONSIDERATION AS TO WHAT COULD POSSIBLY COULD OCCUR WITH THIS PROPERTY DISCUSSION, WHETHER THE CITY WOULD BUY IT. I UNDERSTAND THE CITY IS NOT INTERESTED IN BUYING IT. THE RESIDENTS ARE INTERESTED IN BUYING IT, BUT IT'S BEEN OPERATING AT A SIGNIFICANT LOSS. THE RESULT OF THE GOLF COURSE CLOSING DOWN. I BELIEVE THERE'S SOME PUBLIC PRESSURE, CERTAINLY MANY PEOPLE BEHIND ME THAT ARE OPPOSED TO SHUTTING IT DOWN. I UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERN. THAT RESULTED IN CODE ENFORCEMENT CITING MY CLIENT FOR VIOLATION OF THE GRASS CUTTING ORDINANCE. LET'S SAY. BASICALLY THEY WERE COMPLAINING THAT THE ENTIRE GRASS, THE ENTIRE MOW THE GOLF COURSE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SHOULD BE CUT. POINTED OUT TO COUNSEL OR TALK TO CODE ENFORCEMENT THAT THERE WAS A THERE WAS A EXCLUSION IN THE DEFINITION OF UNIMPROVED PROPERTY. IT PROVIDED THAT THE NEW ZONING AND OUR ZONING ARE EXCLUDED FROM THAT. IN OTHER WORDS, SO IF YOU HAVE THIS UNDER ZONING, YOU DON'T HAVE TO CUT THE GRASS TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE IMPROVED PROPERTY. BASED UPON THAT, THE VIOLATION WAS DRAWN. MY UNDERSTANDING, AND I JUST RECENTLY FOUND OUT THAT AS A RESULT OF PRESSURE BY THE RESIDENTS, THE CITY NOW IS SEEKING TO TO AMEND THIS ORDINANCE TO DELETE G, THERE'S PROPERTIES OWN G, G, Q, AND RR THAT IS NO LONGER A PROVISION WHERE WHERE THE RESIDENTS WOULD THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO CUT THE OR THEY WOULD HAVE TO CUT THE GRASS AS IF IT WAS IMPROVED AS OPPOSED TO HAVING EXCLUSION UNDER THE G R. IN ADDITION, THEY'VE AMENDED THE ORDINANCE NOW FROM REQUIRING IT TO BE CUT FROM 24 INCHES TO 12 INCHES. SO BASICALLY, BASED UPON THIS CHANGE, MY CLIENT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN. CUT THE ENTIRE 200 PLUS ACRES TO A HEIGHT OF NO MORE THAN 12 INCHES. THE COST WOULD BE THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS EACH CUT. THE AMENDMENT IS DIRECTED SQUARELY AT MY CLIENT. THIS IS NOT NORMALLY WHEN YOU DO CERTAINLY HAVE AN ORDINANCE. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A CITY WIDE TYPE OF THING AND AND GENERALLY AFFECTS EVERYTHING IN THIS. THIS IS DIRECTED DIRECTLY TO MY CLIENT. THERE'S NOTHING THIS CITY WILL DO WITH THIS ORDINANCE OR WHETHER THEY AGREE TO THIS ORDINANCE, THIS AMENDMENT, OR DON'T AMEND IT. IT'S NOT GOING TO BRING THE GOLF COURSE BACK. IT CAN'T BE MAINTAINED. THE COST IS EXCESSIVE. MY CLIENT CAN NO LONGER SUPPORT THE GOLF COURSE, EVEN THOUGH SHE'S TRIED IT. WE BELIEVE THAT THIS IS GOING TO CAUSE MORE PROBLEMS THAN IT'S GOING TO RESOLVE. CERTAINLY, THERE'S AN ARGUMENT CAN BE MADE THAT IT IS AN EXISTING USE UNDER THE EXISTING CODE AND THAT NOW THE CITY IS CHANGING THAT USE BY REQUIRING RATHER THAN HAVING US CUT ALONG THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY FOR 15 FEET. THE CITY'S NOW IS NOW CHANGING IT TO REQUIRE US TO CUT THE ENTIRE GOLF COURSE TO TO HEIGHT OF NO HIGHER THAN 1212 INCHES. SO WE BELIEVE THERE'S AN ARGUMENT WHERE THERE'S A NON CONFORMING USE UNDER THE EXISTING CODE. AND SO THERE'S AN ARGUMENT. WE ALSO THINK THERE'S UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES BY DELETING THE PROVISION THAT IF YOU'RE GIU OR YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT. IMPROVE PROPERTY. YOU DON'T HAVE TO CUT THE ENTIRE PROPERTY. I THINK THAT BRINGS IN THE ISSUE OF MANY LANDOWNERS, LARGE LAND OWNERS THAT HAVE DIFFERENT PROPERTY THAT HAVE TEN, 15, 20 ACRES, THAT MAY BE A JGU OR AN R ZONING. ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY MAY BE REQUIRED TO CUT THEIR ENTIRE PROPERTY. THIS GENTLEMAN THAT WAS HERE A LITTLE WHILE AGO THAT WANTED TO HAVE THE WOOD CUTTING PROPERTY, HE HAD LIKE FOUR ACRES HE HAD TO DO WITH CUTTING. THERE HE IS OUR ARE BY TO LEADING THIS. HE CAN BE REQUIRED TO CUT ENTIRE PROPERTY TO A HEIGHT OF NO MORE THAN 12 INCHES. SO I THINK THERE'S UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES IT AFFECTS THE THE. THIS IT'S DIRECTED DIRECTLY AT THIS CLIENT A LITTLE CONCERNING THAT IT WAS BROUGHT BECAUSE OF PRESSURE BY THE RESIDENTS. THIS WENT BEFORE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD WHICH APPROVED IT. MY CLIENT WAS NOT MADE AWARE OF IT. EVEN THOUGH THERE'S KNOWLEDGE THAT THIS HAS BEEN AN ONGOING ISSUE, WE WERE NOT AWARE OF A PROPOSED RESOLUTION. WE'RE NOT GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPEAR BEFORE. PLANNING AND ZONING TO OPPOSE IT AND VOICE OUR CONCERNS. WE THINK. REQUEST THAT THIS THIS BE DENIED. THE ORDINANCE HAD BEEN IN EFFECT FOR MANY YEARS IS NO REASON TO CHANGE IT NOW AND IT SHOULDN'T BE AS A RESULT OF A DIRECTION AGAINST ONE INDIVIDUAL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER. HIS DAUGHTER. HELLO. HEATHER JOYNER, 337 FIVE BAYSIDE LAKES BOULEVARD. AS MANY OF YOU ARE AWARE, I AM THE OWNER OF THE MAJORS GOLF COURSE PREVIOUSLY. AS JACK WAS JUST STATING, THERE'S THERE'S BEEN SO MANY CHANGES GOING ON LATELY AND. TRYING TO CHANGE THE. SORRY. I LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT. TRYING TO CHANGE THE LANGUAGE ON THIS IS GOING TO CAUSE ME EXTREME UNDUE HARDSHIP. [02:00:04] WHEN I CLOSE THE BUSINESS, WHICH I SUNK MY HEART AND SOUL INTO. BUT WHEN I FINALLY HAD TO CLOSE THE BUSINESS, I THEN WAS CLOSING UNDER THE PRETENSE THAT I WAS GOING TO BE ABLE TO JUST MAINTAIN THE PERIMETER AT A CERTAIN AMOUNT. AND NOW WITH THIS PROPOSED CHANGE THAT'S SUDDENLY COMING THROUGH, I'M GOING TO NOW BE REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN THE ENTIRE PROPERTY OF 200 ACRES DUE TO THE THE ZONING, WHICH IS. AM. I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT. AND WE PLEASE SILENCE OUR PHONES. THANK YOU, MA'AM. CARRY ON. THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE IS ASKING TO REMOVE THE GIU AND REZONINGS FROM THE CURRENT CODE, WHICH WILL ALLOW ME TO MAINTAIN THE COURSE AS I HAVE BEEN FOR THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS. AND I'M JUST ASKING THE COUNCIL TO. JUST VOTE NO ON ANY CHANGES. I BELIEVE THEY'RE COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY. I BELIEVE IT'S COMPLETELY AIMED AT ME. I'M DOING WHAT I CAN, SO. LET'S. PLEASE, LET'S. NO, NO, NO, PLEASE, LET'S. LET'S HAVE RESPECT. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE. YES, MA'AM. SO I'VE SUNK EVERYTHING INTO THIS. OKAY, WELL, IF I WAS GOING TO SELL IT. OKAY. WHERE'S THE OFFERS? I HAVE NO OFFERS. PLEASE DIRECT. I'M SO SORRY. AND I'M GOING TO PLEASE PLEAD WITH THE AUDIENCE TO SHOW COURTESY AND RESPECT. THANK YOU. CARRY ON, MA'AM. JUST CAN'T. SORRY. IT'S JUST ALL OF THIS IS CAUSING SO MUCH HARDSHIP ON ME. AND I KNOW THEY DON'T CARE, BUT I'VE SUNK EVERYTHING ALL MY RETIREMENT INTO THIS, TRYING TO MAKE IT SUCCESSFUL AND NOBODY CARES. THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING TO MAKE ME HAVE TO. SPEND EVERY OUNCE OF EVERYTHING. THIS IS JUST IT'S A HUGE HARDSHIP TO TRY TO CHANGE THIS. I MEAN, I CLOSED DOWN SO I WOULD HAVE STOP. I COULDN'T AFFORD IT. AND, YOU KNOW. I'M SORRY. I CAN'T EVEN PAY ATTENTION WITH ALL THIS. I UNDERSTAND. TAKE YOUR TIME. I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. YOU'RE EMOTIONAL. GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD AND RELAX. EVERYONE'S GOING TO GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AS WELL. AND I JUST. I'M. I'M ASKING THE AUDIENCE TO PLEASE SHOW RESPECT. LET'S BE COURTEOUS TO ONE ANOTHER. WE MAY WE MAY DISAGREE ON ON ISSUES, BUT LET'S. LET'S BE COURTEOUS. CARRY ON, MA'AM. REQUIRING ME TO HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE 200 ACRES SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE A NICE BACKYARD. IT'S JUST CRAZY TO ME. THE CODE HASN'T CHANGED. THE CODE HAS BEEN THE SAME. THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY ISSUES WITH IT. I'VE BEEN DOING MAINTAINING EVERYTHING. AND NOW THIS ISN'T GOING TO REQUIRE JUST ME. THIS IS GOING TO REQUIRE ANYONE WITH G ZONING WITH OUR ZONING FARMERS HUNTING CAMPS. I MEAN, ANYBODY WITH ANY STRUCTURE ON A PROPERTY IS NOW GOING TO BE FORCED TO HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE ENTIRE PROPERTY. I KNOW I'M NOT THE ONLY GQ OR OUR ZONED PROPERTY IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BUT IT'S GOING TO CAUSE HUGE HARDSHIPS ON ANYBODY THAT'S IN THE SAME POSITION. AND I JUST ASKED THE COUNCIL TO VOTE NO AGAINST ANY CHANGE IN LANGUAGE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER. DEPUTY MAYOR. SALVO, PHILIP COCHRAN AND MARY RAMSEY. I HAVE A PROCEDURAL QUESTION THAT DOES BECAUSE THEIR NAME IS NOT ON THE ON THE ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM. BEFORE I START, I APOLOGIZE, BUT DOES NOT EVERYBODY GET 3 MINUTES IN THIS OR WHY? WELL, I WAS UNDER THE SAME IMPRESSION, BUT I WENT TO THE CITY CLERK AND MADAM CLERK, WOULD YOU WANT TO RESPOND? THE TIME LIMITS ONLY APPLY TO PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS THAT ARE RELATED TO LAND DEVELOPMENT ISSUES. THIS ITEM DOES NOT FALL UNDER THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THEREFORE, THERE IS NO TIME LIMIT. [02:05:01] SO I CAN SPEAK FREELY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I APOLOGIZE. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL STAFF. MY NAME IS ALVARO LA PUENTE, AND I LIVE ON 2031 BROOK DRIVE. I MOVED TO BAYSIDE LAKES FROM SOUTH FLORIDA SIX YEARS AGO, AND IT WASN'T UNTIL THE LAST YEAR THAT WE, LIKE MOST PEOPLE HERE, HAVE WITNESSED THE UNFORTUNATE DEGRADATION OF A COMMUNITY DUE TO THE LACK OF MAINTENANCE OF THE FORMER GOLF COURSE. WE'RE NOT HERE TO ARGUE TO MAINTAIN THE GOLF COURSE. THAT WAS THE OWNER'S DECISION. WE ARE NOT HERE TO ARGUE THAT THE OWNER ALREADY HAS THE ABILITY TO BUILD FIVE ACRE LOTS AS IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED. WHAT THE PROPOSED CHANGE AT HAND ASKS IS TO MODIFY AS SIMPLE EQUAL RULES AND TREATMENT FOR IMPROVED RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL LOTS. AS RESIDENTS, WE'RE EXPECTED TO MAINTAIN OUR PROPERTIES AND ABIDE BY THE RULES OF THE CITY. WHEN IT COMES TO LAWN MAINTENANCE, SHOULD WE LET OUR LAWN GO OVER THE MANDATED HEIGHT? WE WILL GET BOMBARDED WITH LETTERS REGARDLESS OF WHERE THE OVERGROWTH IS WITHIN OUR PROPERTY. LOTS, WE WOULD EXPECT IMPROVE COMMERCIAL LOTS WHO PLAY BY THE SAME RULES. HOWEVER, WE CAN ALSO ATTEST THAT THE CURRENT OWNER OF THE LOT DOES NOT EVEN ABIDE BY THE CURRENT REGULATIONS. THE CURRENT RULES CALLS FOR MAINTAINING THE PERIMETER OF THE LOT. THE EXTENT OF MAINTENANCE SINCE THE COURSE SHUT DOWN IN JUNE HAS BEEN OF ONE SINGLE OCCURRENCE, JUST ONCE IN WHICH A RESIDENTIAL MOWER WAS SENT TO MOW 42 INCHES OF THE PERIMETER. THAT IS ALL A RESIDENTIAL MOWER, NOT EVEN A COMMERCIAL ONE. THAT WAS A LAUGHABLE SLAP IN THE FACE TO THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. SINCE THAT ONE OCCURRENCE, NO FURTHER ATTEMPTS HAVE BEEN MADE TO KEEP UP WITH THE MAINTENANCE. AND I ASK EACH ONE AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU, THEY COULD DRIVE THROUGH BAYSIDE LAKES BOULEVARD AS IT IS TODAY, OR WALK ALONG THE PERIMETER LOTS ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY. THERE IS NO PERIMETER MAINTENANCE HAPPENING. IT IS COMPLETELY RUN DOWN AGAIN. WE, THE RESIDENTS, ARE EXPECTED TO ABIDE BY THE RULES, SO LET'S ENFORCE THE RULES EVENLY. WE WILL NOT LET EVENTS OF THE PAST SHAPE BAYSIDE LAKES. WE WANT EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM TO REMEMBER THAT THIS IS NOT 2004. THIS IS NOT PART OF OUR. WE ARE ENDLESSLY DEFENDING OUR COMMUNITY AND WE ARE SIMPLY ASKING FOR EQUAL RULES. THANK YOU. MR. COCHRAN. PHILLIP COCHRAN. GOOD EVENING. SO, CORCORAN, 1878, WIND BROOK DRIVE. THANK YOU TO ALL MY FRIENDS IN RED THAT SHOWED UP. THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE FOR THE CITY. I HAVE A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION, IF WE COULD BRING THAT UP NOW. SO MISS JOINER HAS SAID THAT SHE IS BEING. HE SHE HAS FINANCIAL PROBLEMS WITH THE GOLF COURSE. I'VE LIVED IN BAYSIDE LAKES SINCE 2008, 14 YEARS. I'VE NEVER SEEN THIS MANY FOR SALE SIGNS ON OUR STREET. AND ALL THAT TIME PEOPLE ARE LEAVING. I HELP A GUY DELIVER HIS GOLF CART TO HIS NEW LOCATION ON A NEW GOLF COURSE FARTHER SOUTH IN FLORIDA. THERE ARE MANY GOLF COURSES. I SPOKE TO THREE PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN BUYING A GOLF COURSE JUST TODAY. ONE OF THEM IS IN NEGOTIATIONS TO BUY THREE NEW GOLF COURSES. THEY ARE VIABLE BUSINESSES. JUST LOOK AT THE HABITAT FOR POPPY WILL TELL YOU, YOU CAN'T GET A TEE TIME OVER THERE. OKAY, SO GETTING BACK TO THE POWERPOINT, SO THE EXODUS CONTINUES. MOVING VANS ARE IN ON OUR STREET WEEKLY, IF NOT DAILY. GARBAGE IS BEING DISCARDED ON THE PROPERTY. THERE IT IS. BRIDGES ARE NOT BEING MAINTAINED AND ARE DANGEROUS TO THE HOMELESS AND YOUNGSTERS WHO TRESPASS ON THE PROPERTY. THERE ARE BOARDS THAT ARE STICKING UP ALL OVER THE PLACE AND YOU CAN SEE ONE THERE IN THE UPPER MIDDLE OF THE SCREEN. THE PROPERTY HAS NO DISCOURTESY, NO SECURITY TO DETER TRESPASSERS AND HOMELESS EXCESS BUILDING MATERIALS ARE BEING DUMPED NEAR THE PARKING LOT AREA. AND ON THE PARKING LOT. THIS IS THE VIEW FROM BAYSIDE LAKES BOULEVARD. ISN'T IT BEAUTIFUL? IF MY HOUSE LOOKED LIKE THAT, I WOULDN'T LOOK LIKE THAT VERY LONG BEFORE THE HOH WOULD START TO MOW IT. BEHIND THAT. AGAIN, AN EMPTY SIGNPOST. AND LOOK WHAT LOOKS LIKE WOODED AREA. THIS IS THE VIEW FROM THE STREET. [02:10:03] IN LESS THAN TWO AND A HALF YEARS, JOY LLC HAS DESTROYED A BEAUTIFUL ARNOLD PALMER DESIGNED GOLF COURSE, ALONG WITH ALL OUR PROPERTY VALUES. THE SIGN IS GONE, BUT AT LEAST THE GRASS IS BEING MOWED BY BAY SIDE LEGS PLAY. TRYING TO MAINTAIN A GOOD IMAGE FOR THE CITY IN OUR COMMUNITY. WE ALL SEE DOES NOT CARE ABOUT PALM BAY OR BAYSIDE LAKES. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO TO CONTINUE. IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE PROPERTY FORMERLY KNOWN AS JOE DADDY'S IS BEING NO MODE AT THIS TIME. THERE ARE TOILETS IN THE BATHROOMS. OUT ON THE GOLF COURSE THAT HAVE NEVER BEEN LOCKED UP, WHICH YOU SOMEWHAT UNSANITARY IN THERE. I WOULDN'T WANT TO GO IN THERE. SO JUST JUST TO BE CLEAR, OUR CITIZENS GROUP IS NOT GOING AWAY. LC LLC IS TAKING THE CROWN JEWEL OF PALM BAY AND TRANSFORMED IT INTO AN EYESORE. THE SINGLE AND SINGLE HANDEDLY DESTROYED THE THRIVING GOLF COMMUNITY, REDUCED OUR PROPERTY VALUES IN BAYSIDE LAKES BY TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS INDIVIDUALLY AND BY HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS IN TOTAL. I HAVE SPOKEN TO THREE GENERAL MANAGERS. ASKED MANAGERS OF THE GOLF COURSE, AND THEY ALL SAID THAT THEY WERE TURNING A PROFIT. PLEASE REMEMBER THAT JOY LLC BOUGHT THE COURSE FOR A LITTLE OVER $2 MILLION LESS THAN THREE YEARS AGO. I HAVE HEARD SOME ASTRONOMICAL NUMBERS, AS WE HEARD EARLIER IN THIS. PRESENTATION EARLIER TODAY. CLEARLY JLC DOES NOT CARE ABOUT PALM BAY OR BAYSIDE LAKES, BUT THE CITY COUNCIL WILL DETERMINE WHAT IS DONE WITH THE PROPERTY. PLEASE DO THE RIGHT THING FOR THE PEOPLE OF PALM BAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IT'S MARIE RAMSEY, FOLLOWED BY DANIEL COCHRANE. HERE ARE YOU MARY RAMSEY, FOLLOWED BY DANIELLE COCHRAN. EVENING, EVERYONE. MARIE RAMSEY, 1878, WIND BROOK DRIVE, PALM BAY, FLORIDA. I'M NEW HERE. AS I TOLD YOU A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO. I CAME HERE ONLY BECAUSE OF THE GOLF COURSE. I GOT MARRIED TO SOMEBODY WHO LOVES GOLF. FIRST OF ALL, I HAVE A QUESTION. I OFFERED TO DONATE THREE FLAGS. WELL, I'M GOING TO GET THIS OFF MY CHEST FIRST. I CANNOT GET ANYONE TO TELL ME HOW BIG OF A FLAG YOU NEED. OKAY, SO TO JOY LLC. YOU HAVE MANAGED TO REDUCE THE ASSESSMENT OF EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN. EVERY SINGLE PERSON. WE EVEN MADE THE NATIONAL NEWS FOR OUR PROPERTIES FOR ONE OF THE 20 TOP. CITIES IN THE UNITED STATES FOR OUR PROPERTIES TO BE DESTROYED ON OUR NATIONAL NEWS. WE KNOW WHAT CONTRIBUTED TO THAT. REAL. SIR. MA'AM, TAKE. YES. THAT'S A BREACH. I NEED YOU TO GO BACK OUT THAT DOOR AND COME UP THE FRONT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. WE HAVE A BREACH. I SAID PALM BAY HAS EVEN MADE THE NATIONAL NEWS WHERE THE PRICE OF HOMES HAS ACTUALLY FALLEN. 2.2 MILLION. THE GOLF COURSE WAS BOUGHT REALLY EIGHT TIMES MORE. IS THE NEW PRICE. JOY LLC. YOU'VE DONE THIS ON THE BACKS OF EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN PALM BAY, NOT JUST US IN BAYSIDE LAKES. PERHAPS. YOU SHOULD READ MATTHEW 19 THROUGH 24. MY IRISH GRANDMOTHER USED TO SAY ILL GOTTEN MONEY WILL NEVER SERVE YOU. THANK YOU, MA'AM. [02:15:06] MA'AM, IF YOU REALLY WOULD LIKE TO DONATE THE FLAGS AND GET INFORMATION, MR. FRED POPPY, WOULD YOU RAISE YOUR HAND, SIR? PLEASE, MA'AM. I'M JUST SAYING, IF YOU'D LIKE TO GET THAT DETAILED INFORMATION, PLEASE SEE. MR. POPPY. THANK YOU. ANNUAL COCHRANE. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR MEDINA, DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX, COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO FOSTER AND JOHNSON. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU TONIGHT IN SUPPORT OF ORDINANCE 22 2022, DASH 119, WHICH WOULD AMEND THE CODE OF ORDINANCES CONTROLLING REAL PROPERTY NUISANCES. FOUR LESSONS THAT I LEARNED EARLY IN LIFE. NUMBER ONE TREAT PEOPLE THE WAY YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE TREATED. NUMBER TWO, BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR NEIGHBORS. NUMBER THREE, FOLLOW THE RULES. AND NUMBER FOUR, WHEN THE WRITTEN RULE DOESN'T FIT THE SITUATION, GO THE EXTRA MILE TO DO THE RIGHT THING. I FIND IT UNFORTUNATE THAT WE FIND OURSELVES HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE THE WRITTEN RULE IN THE COURT OF ORDINANCES CONTAINED IN AMBIGUITY, WHICH OUR NEIGHBOR, MS.. JOYNER, EXPLOITED TO HER ADVANTAGE AND TO THE DETRIMENT. ME, MY WIFE AND MY NEIGHBORS. I WANT TO THANK THE DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY, RODNEY EDWARDS, FOR HIS WORK ALONGSIDE MS.. BERNARD'S GROWTH DEVELOPMENT TEAM TO RESOLVE THE AMBIGUITY AND TO STRENGTHEN THE LANGUAGE IN THE ORDINANCE. I WANT TO THANK COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO FOR GOING THE EXTRA MILE TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS REVISION DID NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT FARMERS, NURSERIES AND OTHER. OTHER FACILITIES IN PALM BAY THAT ARE DUE IN OUR. I THINK THE ORDINANCE, AS AMENDED, HITS THE TARGET AND WILL CLEAR THE WAY FOR THE FAIR ENFORCEMENT OF THE NUISANCE ORDINANCE AGAINST THE 190 ACRE BLIGHTED PROPERTY THAT ADJOINS MINE. I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOU TO APPROVE ORDINANCE 2020 2-1 19. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK. THE FORWARD. MY NAME IS FLORIDA HOLBERT. I LIVE AT. 2322 PLANTER RIDGE COURT, SOUTHEAST PALM BAY. WE MOVED HERE IN 2017. WE BOUGHT OUR HOME OR BUYING OUR HOME SINCE 2018. I CAME HERE TO PALM BAY BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS A WONDERFUL PLACE TO BE AND BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING FOR SOME PLACE TO STAY WARM. AND. THE GOLF COURSE IS SOMETHING THAT I HAVE. ENJOYED LOOKING AT. I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO PLAY YET BECAUSE WHEN I CAME HERE I WAS IN RECOVERY. AND THEN TO FIND OUT THAT YOU HAVE SOMEONE THAT IS NOT WILLING TO TAKE CARE OF THE PROPERTY THAT THEY PURCHASED. AND WAS GIVEN SOME REALLY OFF THE CUE INFORMATION ABOUT HOW NOT TO TAKE CARE OF IT. I WAS ALWAYS TAUGHT TO TAKE CARE OF YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES AND DO THE THINGS THAT ARE RIGHT. YOU DON'T MISUSE OTHER PEOPLE. YOU DON'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF SITUATIONS. WE DID NOT BUY OUR HOME HERE TO TURN AROUND AND SEE OUR CITY, WHICH IS BEING CALLED THE BEST CITY IN THE UNITED STATES, AND I WOULD SAY THE BEST CITY IN THE WORLD, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I EXPECT IT TO BE. I DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN AN AREA WHERE IT'S BEING BROUGHT DOWN BECAUSE OF SOMEBODY ELSE'S GREED AND SELFISHNESS. IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO THE RIGHT THING, GIVE IT UP AND LET SOMEBODY ELSE THAT'S WILLING TO DO THE RIGHT THING HAVE IT. WE DO NOT WANT OUR PROPERTY VALUES BROUGHT DOWN. WE DON'T WANT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD OR OUR CITY. BEING MADE A LAUGHING STOCK. SO TO THE GROUP THAT HAS DECIDED NOT TO TAKE CARE OF THAT PROPERTY, PLEASE THINK ABOUT IT. IF YOUR HOUSE WAS LIKE THAT AND YOU LET THE GRASS GROW AND THE WEEDS FLOURISH, TAKE AWAY THE SPRINKLER [02:20:01] SYSTEMS. DO NOT MAINTAIN IT. WOULD YOUR CITY ALLOW YOU TO GET AWAY WITH IT? AND WE DON'T THINK THAT THIS GROUP SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO GET AWAY WITH IT EITHER. WE THINK THAT THEY NEED TO BE HELD RESPONSIBLE TO TAKE CARE OF THIS PROPERTY. SO IF YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO TAKE CARE OF IT, DON'T ALLOW THE GREED TO CHOKE YOU. AND TRY TO GET MORE MONEY OUT OF IT THAN WHAT IT WAS INITIALLY WORTH. AND BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOT TAKEN CARE OF IT, IT IS NOT WORTH THAT. BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT REALLY WANT TO PURCHASE IT, TO MAINTAIN IT, TO BRING IT BACK TO ITS STANDARD. WHOEVER SAID THAT THIS GOLF COURSE WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO BE BROUGHT BACK TO ITS STANDARDS. I THINK YOU NEED TO RETHINK THAT ONE BECAUSE THERE IS A PLAN IN PLACE TO BRING IT BACK TO ITS STANDARDS. NOW. MY ENDING IS I BELIEVE THAT GOD WANTS THE RIGHT THING DONE. AND IF YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO DO THE RIGHT THING, PLEASE STEP TO THE SIDE AND LET SOMEBODY ELSE DO IT. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WISHES? ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK FOR? AGAINST THIS ITEM. PLEASE STAND UP. THE FORWARD. ANYONE ELSE AFTER HER? OKAY, YOU'RE NEXT. GOOD EVENING. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HAS MENTIONED IT YET, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A HOMELESS PROBLEM OVER ON THE BAYSIDE LAKES AREA. HOWEVER, IF THE GOLF COURSE ISN'T MAINTAINED, NOT A GOLF COURSE. IF THE PROPERTY ISN'T MAINTAINED. I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF PROPERTIES AROUND THE CITY THAT ARE BEING CLEARED AND HOMELESS PEOPLE HAVE GONE INTO THE INTO OTHER AREAS WHERE IT'S WOODED. IF THE FORMER GOLF COURSE ENDS UP LOOKING LIKE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE COULD HAVE A SITUATION WITH HOMELESS PEOPLE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. I JUST WANTED TO SAY MY HUSBAND AND I MOVED HERE THREE YEARS AGO. WE WERE AT 1891 BROOK DRIVE RIGHT ON THE GOLF COURSE. MY NAME IS MONIQUE BREWSTER PRITCHARD. AND IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL PLACE TO BE. RIGHT BEFORE IT WAS, WE WERE THERE A YEAR BEFORE THE GOLF COURSE WAS GIVEN UP. AND NOW IT LOOKS LIKE A FOREST. IT'S HORRIBLE. FULL OF WEEDS. AND WE MOVED HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE FRIENDS HERE THAT SAID, IT'S THE GREATEST CITY TO BE AT. WE MOVED FROM UP NORTH AND WE WANTED TO BE HERE AND WE ALSO WANTED TO TAKE UP GOLF. THERE'S NO PLACE IN PALM BAY TO GOLF. WE'RE LIVING RIGHT ON THE GOLF COURSE THAT IS NOW A FOREST. PROPERTY VALUES. I'VE READ MANY ARTICLES NOW THAT PALM BAY IS ON THE TOP TEN LIST OF PROPERTY VALUE DECLINE. I'M SURE NOT HAVING THE GOLF COURSE IS PART OF IT. I THINK. I WANT. SOMEONE NEEDS TO BUY THE PROPERTY, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, IT HAS TO BE MAINTAINED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO COME AND SPEAK? STEP FORWARD, MA'AM. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. YES. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS PATTY GARCIA. I LIVE IN 1986 WIND BROOK DRIVE. UNLIKE A LOT OF MY NEIGHBORS, I DON'T KNOW HOW FOR MY NEIGHBORS BECAUSE I AM A WORKING MOM. I HAVE THREE TEENAGERS. THE REASON WE MOVED TO THAT, TO THE SUMMERFIELD AREAS, BECAUSE MY FIANCE WANTED US TO BE IN A GATED COMMUNITY BECAUSE HE TRAVELS A LOT FOR WORK. WE DID WE LOVE OUR WE LOVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT BECAUSE OF WHAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW. ME, I'M SPEAKING AS A MOTHER CONCERNED FOR THE SAFETY OF OF THE KIDS, NOT ONLY MY CHILDREN, BUT ALSO THE KIDS IN THE COMMUNITY. A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, I CAME HOME WHILE MY SON CALLED ME, SAYING THAT THERE WAS A HE WAS COMING IN THROUGH THE GARAGE BECAUSE FROM SCHOOL THERE WAS A BIG SNAKE, A HUGE SNAKE. [02:25:02] AND I SHOWED IT TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE ASSOCIATION. I WAS ABLE TO TAKE A PICTURE OF IT, BUT I CAN'T GO TO WORK THINKING THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS WILDLIFE GOING ON IN OUR IN OUR BACKYARD. YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SELL AND I UNDERSTAND I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT, YES, THEY NEED TO MAKE A PROFIT, BUT THEY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SELL TO SOMEBODY ELSE AS A GOLF COURSE. SO AGAIN, I'M SPEAKING AS A MOTHER AND CONCERN, AND I KNOW A LOT OF NOT EVERYBODY THAT LIVES HERE AS A RETIREE. WE WORK AND WE WORK LONG HOURS. SO THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO TO BRING UP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. I SEE YOU GENTLEMEN RAISING HIS HAND. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS ROBERT CLARK. I LIVE AT 882 MORNING CULP CIRCLE. I LIVE AT THE INTERSECTION OF 17 AND THE 12TH HOLE. THE OWNER HAS NEGLECTED THIS PROPERTY. NUMBER ONE, SHE DUG UP ALL THE SPRINKLERS. THERE'S HOLES. SHE DID NOT FILL IN THE HOLES. SO IF A CHILD OR ANYBODY ELSE GOES OUT ON THAT GOLF COURSE. THEY COULD BE INJURED. NUMBER TWO, SHE DID NOT CUT ANYTHING. I HAVE MY BACK YARD AND MY SIDE YARD. SHE DID NOT CUT NOTHING. THE ONLY SIDE YARD IS THE HOE CUTS IT BECAUSE SHE WON'T DO IT. THE. MY PERCEPTION IS SHE HAS MADE MONEY. THE LAST DEVELOPER THAT HAD IT MADE MONEY. SO THERE'S NO REASON WHY SHE DIDN'T MAKE MONEY. I WAS I WAS SORT OF INFORMED THAT SHE HAD HER FAMILY ON THE PAYROLL. SO THE TRUST HER. YOU NEED TO LOOK AT HER FINANCIAL. AT RECORDS. SHE SAYS SHE'S LOSING MONEY. PROVE IT. A SET OF FINANCIAL RECORDS. AND THERE'S BEEN PEOPLE THAT WANT TO BUY IT. CHEAP. SHE BOUGHT IT FOR 2 MILLION. LET'S SAY SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUY IT FOR 4 MILLION. THAT'S A THAT'S A GOOD PROFIT. IT'S $2 MILLION PROFIT, NOT $16 MILLION. NOT $10 MILLION. IF SHE BOUGHT IT FOR TO MAKE A PROFIT, THAT'S A BAD BUSINESS. I HAD A BUSINESS MYSELF. THAT'S A BAD BUSINESS DECISION. ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S A GOLF COURSE. I NOTICE THE CHAMBER OF A CHAMBER OF COMMERCE WOMAN EARLIER GAVE A SPEECH. IF WE LOSE THIS GOLF COURSE IN PALM BAY, SHE CANNOT SHE'S GOT TO TAKE THAT OFF HER WEBSITE. THERE IS NO THERE WILL BE NO GOLF COURSE. WHO'S GOING TO MOVE HERE WHEN THERE'S NO GOLF COURSE. I MOVED HERE FOR THE GOLF COURSE. THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I MOVED HERE. AND I WAS FORTUNATE THAT THEY MOVED TO GOLF HOLES OVER TO THE NEXT COMMUNITY AND SPACE OPENED UP AND I BOUGHT WHAT I CONSIDERED A PRIME LOT. THEN I MET THE DEAD END OF THE CUL DE SAC, AND I HAD THE FULL VIEW OF THE GOLF COURSE TO THIS. EVERY DAY I SEE AT LEAST. TEN ATVS OUT THERE RUNNING AROUND, NOT GOLF CARTS, ATVS, EVEN A SIX PASSENGER ATV. AND KIDS OUT THERE RIDING BICYCLES. IF ONE OF THOSE KIDS HIT THAT HOLE THAT SHE DELIBERATELY TOOK OUT THAT SPRINKLER. THEY'RE GOING TO GET INJURED. NOBODY'S DOING NOTHING. WE'VE GOT TO RESPECT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY. AND IF SHE CAN'T SELL IT. FOUR FIVE ACRES. ONE HOUSE IN MY WHEN I BOUGHT MY HOUSE, I WAS TOLD THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPER. THE CONCEPT OF THE GOLF COURSE WAS EITHER A GOLF COURSE OR FIVE ACRES, ONE HOUSE. THERE SHOULD BE NO EXCEPTIONS. IF YOU RIGHT NOW, IF YOU GO UP MALABAR ROAD AT 11:00 IN THE MORNING AND GET ON 95, YOU'RE SITTING THERE FOR 20 MINUTES. HOW DO YOU PUT 300 AND MORE HOMES HERE? YOU CAN'T DO IT. [02:30:03] AND THE ROADS. THE ROADS WON'T TAKE IT. WE GOT PEOPLE NOW COMING UP FROM THE NEW HOMES ON BABCOCK, COMING UP TO THE SUPERMARKET BECAUSE THERE'S NO SUPERMARKET DOWN THERE. SO YOU'RE JUST YOU'RE PUSHING EVERYTHING ON THE ROADS. AND IF YOU PUT MORE HOUSES IN THERE, YOU'RE GOING MORE THAN THE FIVE ACRE LOTS, ONE HOUSE. THE PROBLEM IS WHO WANTS TO BUY A FIVE ACRE LOT IN ONE BUT ONE HOUSE? NO ONE. THERE'S THERE'S A CUSTOMER RIGHT THERE. NO ONE. WELL, HE'S RAISING HIS HAND. THERE'S A CUSTOMER RIGHT THERE. YEAH. WITHOUT GUARANTEE NUMBER ONE, THE LOT WILL PROBABLY BE. I GET THAT. THAT'S NOT BEFORE US TODAY. OKAY. THE FIVE ACRE LOT THAT YOU'RE MENTIONING. I WANT THAT. I WANT IT CUT. OK I PAY HOA DUES TO CUT. IN OUR HOA COMMUNITY, NOT THE HOUSES. THE OTHER. LONG IN THE COMMUNITY. WE TAKE CARE OF OUR COMMUNITY. SHE SHOULD TAKE CARE OF HER BUSINESS. THANK YOU. BILL BATMAN 586 OCEAN'S PLACE SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST. THE FIRST QUESTION IS THIS IS THE FIRST TIME. BECAUSE I WOULD QUESTION THIS REPEATEDLY ON HOW TO SPEAK FOR MORE THAN 3 MINUTES ON AN ITEM. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE HEARD, WELL, IT HAD TO BE A LAND CODE, SO I'LL DO SOME MORE RESEARCH INTO THAT ONE. ITEM NUMBER TWO. I MOVED HERE IN 1987. BAYSIDE LAKES WASN'T HERE. IT'S CHANGED. IT CHANGED MY ENVIRONMENT TO SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT THERE. THE DONUT WAS WHERE THE ATVS WERE RIDING BEFORE. THEY'RE NOW COMPLAINING ABOUT THE ATVS RIDING ON THE ACREAGE THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN THERE. THAT'S ALSO WHAT'S HAPPENING OUT WHERE I LIVE ON A DAILY BASIS. IT'S BECOME THAT'S THE NORM OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING THERE AND THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT GETTING HURT. THEY'RE TRESPASSING ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. LET'S START LOOKING AT SOME OF THE VIOLATIONS THAT THE PEOPLE ARE MAKING. RIGHT. LANDOWNER RIGHTS. THAT'S IN OUR OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT'S THE NEW CATEGORY OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. LANDOWNER RIGHTS HAVE TO BE RECOGNIZED. THAT'S. THAT'S THE FACT. NOT WHAT YOU WANT. SOMETHING TO HAPPEN. DONORS RIGHTS. IF WE DON'T START RECOGNIZING THOSE AND WE'RE TURNING INTO A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY WHERE GOVERNMENT AND RULE OF MOB RULE RULES THE DECISION MAKING. ALL RIGHT. I DID LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE AS CHANGED. I'M ONE OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT IT MIGHT HAVE AN IMPACT ON BECAUSE MY ACREAGE IS IMPROVED. I DON'T MOW ALL OF MY PROPERTY BECAUSE I RUN LIVESTOCK. I'M NOT I AM ZONED RURAL RESIDENTIAL ON MY AGRICULTURE OR I'M JUST WHAT'S CONSIDERED AN IMPROVED RURAL RESIDENTIAL. IT COULD HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON ME. I'D HAVE TO LOOK REAL, REAL CLOSE ON THAT BECAUSE IT COULD AFFECT A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE. RIGHT. A STATEMENT OF SAYING WE HAVE NO PLACE TO GOLF ANYWHERE IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY. I DIDN'T SEE THESE RESIDENTS WHEN THE FIRST GOLF COURSE WAS GETTING SHUT DOWN. I DIDN'T SEE THEM STEPPING UP FOR THOSE PEOPLE'S RIGHTS AND TRYING TO PROTECT THEM. I SAW. CARRY ON. THE NEXT GOLF COURSE WOULD GO DADDY'S GOLF COURSE. THAT ONE HAS JUST BEEN CHANGED. THAT LAND'S BEEN CHANGED ALSO. I DIDN'T SEE THEM SPEAKING UP SO WHOLEHEARTEDLY ABOUT THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY WHEN IT WAS CHANGED BY LAND OWNERS RIGHTS. AND THEY DID CHANGE AN ORDINANCE, I MEAN, CHANGE THE LAND USE. INDIVIDUALS ARE SAYING THERE'S NO PLACE TO GOLF. I AGREE THERE MIGHT NOT BE A PLACE TO GOLF WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS OF PALM BAY. FOR YEARS AND YEARS SINCE 1987, I POINTED OUT THE FACT THAT IF YOU WANT TO RIDE A HORSE WITHIN THE CITY OF PALM BAY, UNLESS YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN PROPERTY, YOU HAVE TO TRAILER OUT OF THE CITY LIMITS TO RIDE YOUR HORSE OR BE ON YOUR OWN PROPERTY. RIGHT? SO GOLF AND HORSES. YOU MIGHT HAVE TO BUY YOUR OWN PROPERTY OR TRAVEL TO A SITE WHERE YOU CAN DO IT. WHAT'S IN THE LAST ONE WAS? BOTTOM LINE LANDOWNER RIGHTS. I DON'T LIKE SEEING WHAT'S HAPPENING TO THE GOLF COURSE. I SUPPORT WHAT I WOULD PREFER TO SEE THAT BAYSIDE LAKES HAD A GOLF COURSE, BUT I DON'T WANT TO SEE MOB RULE DICTATE ON HOW LANDOWNERS RIGHTS ARE ABUSED BECAUSE OF RULE OF MOB. [02:35:04] THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. SIR. SIR, PLEASE. UM, I'M ABOUT TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARINGS. SO IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK? OKAY, MA'AM. I DON'T LIVE THERE, BUT MY NAME IS EILEEN SAPP. I LIVE WHERE THE PORT MELBOURNE PORT MALABAR COUNTRY CLUB WAS. BUT I ALSO WORKED FOR THE PGA AND FOR SEVERAL GOLF COURSE MANAGEMENT COMPANIES. I BELIEVE THAT SHE HAS SOME OPTIONS, IT LOOKS LIKE. SHE REMOVED THE SPRINKLERS AND PROBABLY EQUIPMENT BECAUSE SHE DOESN'T WANT IT TO BE SOLD AS A GOLF COURSE. SHE WANTS IT TO BE SOLD BROKEN DOWN FOR DEVELOPMENT, HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. WHAT YOU GUYS CAN DO IS PERHAPS IF IT'S COSTING HER THAT MUCH MONEY, SHE SHOULD DONATE IT TO THE PARKS DEPARTMENT. AND THE PARKS DEPARTMENT SHOULD OVERSEE AN AUCTION OR BIDDING PROCESS TO REVIVE IT INTO A GOLF COURSE. THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION. THANK YOU, MA'AM. OKAY. I'M ABOUT TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK. SEEING NONE. I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING. I'M ASKING FOR A MOTION SO MOVED. AND MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. SECOND. NOT A SECOND BY. COUNCILMAN. FOSTER. COUNCILMAN. JOHNSON. IT'S NOTHING REALLY ELSE TO ADMIRE. I DON'T. AND I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU COME FROM, MR. BATTEN, BECAUSE IT IS ABOUT PROPERTY RIGHTS FOR EVERYBODY. SO MOVING FORWARD, I SUPPORT THIS. BUT WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TRESPASSING ON THE PROPERTY AS WELL BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THEIR PROPERTY AND I WOULDN'T WANT SOMEBODY TRESPASSING ON MINE. SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING I HAVE TO SAY ON THAT PART. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, WITH MY PROPERTY, I HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT THE SAME TOO. SO I THINK THIS I THINK THIS IS FAIR. SO THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN. JOHNSON. COUNCILMAN. FOSTER. FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T THINK THE RED SHIRTS IS A MOB. I THINK THEY ARE CONCERNED CITIZENS, THAT CONCERN ABOUT THE RESIDENTS. AND I DON'T SEE YOU AS A MOB. I SEE YOU AS A CONCERNED CITIZEN. AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT YOUR RESIDENTS, TOO. NIC ROBERTSON, I SAID I SAID WE SHOULD LISTEN TO THE RED SHIRTS. I'VE BEEN LISTENING TO YOU BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE YOU LIVE. YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT YOUR NEIGHBORS GRASS. I'M I DON'T LIVE IN THAT AREA, BUT I HAVE FRIENDS THAT LIVE IN YOUR AREA AND EVEN I DON'T LIVE IN THE AREA. I DON'T WANT MY NEIGHBOR GRASS TO BE TWO FEET HIGH. DO YOU? I DON'T THINK SO. SO I DON'T I DON'T WANT I WOULDN'T WANT THAT. AND I WOULD GO TO THEM AND SAY, HEY, YOU NEED TO CUT YOUR GRASS OR I'M GOING TO CUT IT FOR YOU. AND I'D BE VIOLATING SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY RIGHTS. BUT YOU ALSO VIOLATE MY PROPERTY RIGHTS BY NOT TAKING CARE OF YOUR PROPERTY RIGHTS. I BELIEVE IN PEOPLE RIGHTS. ALSO, I BELIEVE IN FOLLOWING. COURT ORDINANCE IS THE LAW OF THE CITY. AND IF WE NEED TO CHANGE IT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE DO THE RIGHT THING, THEN THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO. SO THAT'S WHY I SECOND THIS EMOTION. AND I HEARD I DON'T THINK. THE RED SHIRTS IS RULING ME BY SHOWING UP. WHAT THEY'RE SAYING TO ME IS THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PALM BAY. THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE CITIZEN. SO THAT'S WHY I'M LISTENING TO YOU AND I LISTEN TO THE OWNER. DON'T INVEST MONEY, THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET A GOOD RETURN ON THE ONLY INVEST. YOU'RE GOING TO INVEST SOMETHING. INVEST. YOU'RE WILLING TO LOSE THAT. TAKING A CHANCE AND WILLING TO LOSE THAT MONEY IF IT DON'T TURN OUT PROPERLY. AND I DO THAT EVERY DAY. SO. WE NEED TO PASS THIS ORDINANCE AND DO THE RIGHT THING. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN FOSTER. COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO, WOULD YOU LIKE TO WEIGH IN AT THIS POINT? THANK YOU, MAYOR. I JUST HAD A QUESTION FOR STAFF HERE. THE CITY IS NOT ATTEMPTING TO SUBJECT SUCH BUILDINGS TO THE CITY'S CODE OF ORDINANCES IN CONTRAVENTION OF 604.50, SUBSECTION ONE OF FLORIDA STATUTES. THE CITY ATTORNEY CAN ELABORATE ON THAT, PLEASE. THERE IS A DEFINITION OF NONRESIDENTIAL FARM BUILDING WITHIN THE STATUTE. THE INTENTION WAS TO INCORPORATE THAT DEFINITION, WHICH I'LL READ SO THAT WE WEREN'T INCLUDING FARM AREAS OR AREAS THAT HAVE BARNS OR SIMILAR ITEMS. THE DEFINITION THAT IS PROVIDED BY STATUTE FOR THAT IS NOT A RESIDENTIAL FARM BUILDING MEANS ANY TEMPORARY OR PERMANENT BUILDING OR SUPPORT [02:40:04] STRUCTURE THAT IS CLASSIFIED AS NON RESIDENTIAL FARM BUILDING ON A FARM UNDER FIVE 53.73, SUBSECTION TEN C OR THAT IS USED PRIMARILY FOR AGRICULTURAL PURPOSES, IS LOCATED ON LAND THAT IS AN INTEGRAL PART OF A FARM OPERATION OR IS CLASSIFIED AS AGRICULTURAL LAND UNDER ONE 93.4 61 AND IS NOT INTENDED TO BE USED AS A RESIDENTIAL DWELLING. THE TERM MAY INCLUDE, BUT IS NOT LIMITED TO A BARN, A GREEN HOUSE, SHADE, HOUSE, FARM OFFICE, STORAGE BUILDING OR POULTRY HOUSE. SO MANY OF THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE TYPICALLY WOULD USE. AS FAR AS BARNES AND THINGS RELATED TO EITHER AGRICULTURE OR HAVING SOME OF THE TYPE OF LIVESTOCK ON IT WOULD NOT MAKE THEIR PROPERTY SUBJECT TO THE IMPROVED LOT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM ATTORNEY. ANOTHER THING I WANT TO BRING UP WITH CITY STAFF, PERHAPS THE CITY MANAGER IS THE LAST SENTENCE HERE. IS THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER? NOT. FOUR CITATIONS FOR REMOVING THE TIMELINE THAT PROHIBITS THE CITY FROM CITING AN UNIMPROVED REAL PROPERTY OWNER NO MORE THAN ONCE EVERY SIX MONTHS. SO HOW OFTEN WOULD THE CITATION OCCUR? SO ESSENTIALLY THAT JUST CHANGES THE PRIOR LANGUAGE SO THAT WE WE FOR THIS KIND OF THING, WE RESPOND BASED ON COMPLAINTS. SO A COMPLAINT COMES IN, WE WOULD CHECK AND MAKE SURE THAT IT HAD NOT BEEN DONE MORE FREQUENTLY THAN THE ORDINANCE ALLOWS FOR. AND SO WE WOULD CITE IF IF WE WEREN'T OVERSTEPPING THE ORDINANCE. ALL RIGHT. SO IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT IF THERE'S A COMPLAINT EVERY DAY AGAINST THIS PROPERTY, THAT SHE COULD BE CITED EVERY DAY? WELL, ONCE YOU'RE CITED, YOU GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THERE IS NOTIFICATIONS THAT OCCUR AND THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES TO RECTIFY THE SITUATION THAT THE OWNER IS GIVEN AND THEN ULTIMATELY GOES TO THE CODE BOARD AND AND ON FROM THERE. ALL RIGHT. I NEED TO ASK YOU A QUESTION. CITY MANAGER IS THERE ANY CODE VIOLATIONS? JUST A SECOND, COUNCILMAN. I YIELD MY TIME TO COUNCILMAN. OKAY. SO YOU'RE OKAY? YOU'RE COMPLETE. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY CODE VIOLATION ON THIS PROPERTY? AS WE SPEAK. LAST I CHECKED, THERE WERE NOT. BUT I WOULD HAVE TO HAVE STAFF GO AND PULL. OKAY. HAVE THE PROPERTY BEEN INSPECTED BY THE CODE ENFORCEMENT? WELL, I THINK PART OF THE HISTORY OF WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT IS THERE WAS A COMPLAINT ABOUT THE CURRENT MAINTENANCE. AND SO WE DID INSPECT FROM A TALL GRASS AND WEEDS KIND OF REASON. BUT UNDER CURRENT ORDINANCE, IT COULD NOT BE CITED. OTHER THAN THAT, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY OTHER VIOLATIONS OR REASONS THAT THE GOLF COURSE WOULD HAVE BEEN CITED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN FOSTER. DEPUTY MAYOR. MAYOR. THANK YOU. I THINK COUNCILWOMAN FILIBERTO BROUGHT THE VERY QUESTION THAT I WAS THINKING OF. THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD, I WOULD SAY IT'S PROPERTY RIGHTS IS MULTIPLE REFERENCE. PROPERTY RIGHTS. PROPERTY RIGHTS IS GREAT. BUT ONCE YOU START IMPEDING ON OTHERS PROPERTY RIGHTS, SO IT BECOMES A PROBLEM. RIGHT. SO AND THAT'S WHY AND I'VE MADE IT PUBLIC BEFORE, I STATED THAT I LIVE ON THE GOLF COURSE MYSELF. SO AND I DO UNDERSTAND AND I SEE IT ON A DAILY BASIS. EVERY EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP, I LOOKED AT MY BACK PATIO THROUGH MY BACK PATIO. I SEE IT. I SEE IT EVERY DAY. YOU KNOW, AS MUCH AS I WANT TO SYMPATHIZE TO TO TO THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS MULTIPLE PROPERTY, MULTIPLE ATTEMPTS TO TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY. SHE'S SAYING, NO, I'M HEARING A LOT OF YESES. SO. SO WHAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE IS TO ENGAGE. LET'S FIND AN AMICABLE SOLUTION. BUT AS OF TONIGHT, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT. UNFORTUNATELY, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT. THAT MAY BE THE MESSAGE TO REALLY ENGAGE, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S SPECIAL INTERESTS, PEOPLE THAT TRULY. AT A FAIR MADE, FAIR OFFER. SO FOR ME TONIGHT, UNFORTUNATELY, I WOULD HAVE TO SUPPORT THIS AND AND REALLY SIDE WITH THE CITIZENS. WELL, I THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR. MY COMMENTS ARE ARE GOING TO BE VERY SIMILAR TO YOURS. PROPERTY RIGHTS. WHEN YOU HAVE PROPERTY RIGHTS, YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THOSE THAT YOU'RE INFRINGING ON ON OTHERS PROPERTY RIGHTS. [02:45:04] AND THAT IS THAT IS AN ISSUE I DO WANT TO ADDRESS SOME COMMENTS ABOUT BACK IN 1987, AND THAT WAS REFERRED TO THE HOLE IN THE DONUT. AND WE DO HAVE AN ACTIVE RESIDENT. I GOT HERE IN 1988 AS A YOUNG, YOUNG PERSON THAT WAS RELEASED FROM ACTIVE DUTY ON THE MARINE CORPS. AND WHEN THIS CONCEPT. OF A GOLF COURSE. CAME AND IT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD BY BEN JEFFRIES. THIS YOUNG MAN. YES, I'M STILL YOUNG. WAS ELATED OVER WHAT WAS ABOUT TO TAKE PLACE IN OUR CITY. I WAS ELATED BECAUSE AS YOU ALREADY KNOW, BAYSIDE LAKES, THAT DEVELOPMENT REALLY. SPRUCED UP THE ENTIRE CITY OF PALM BAY. AND SO I SUPPORT THIS. I DO LOVE THE IDEA OF OF HOW THAT BAYSIDE LAKES WAS DEVELOPED. SO I WOULD BE SUPPORTING THIS. I'VE GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON THINKING OF MY COUNCILMAN FOSTER ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I I ANY OPPOSE PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. BOY. BEFORE. BEFORE WE GO TO ITEM NUMBER NINE, GENTLEMEN, I'D LIKE TO TAKE A TEN MINUTE RECESS. I'M GOING TO CALL THIS MEETING BACK TO ORDER. WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER NINE. AND I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. MADAM SMITH. YES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THIS IS RELATED TO THE DENIAL OF CASE Z 44 TO 2022. IF YOU RECALL, THIS WAS THE ALLEGRA PROPERTY. THIS IS A LITTLE UNUSUAL FOR THE CITY AS FAR AS HAVING THIS QUASI JUDICIAL. ORDER, BECAUSE TYPICALLY, IF COUNSEL WERE GOING TO DENY A REZONING, IT WOULDN'T GET THAT FAR. YOU WOULD DENY THE LAND USE THIS PROPERTY ALREADY HAD THE LAND USE. SO ALL THERE WAS WAS A DENIAL OF A REZONING. AND PURSUANT TO STATUTE, SPECIFICALLY SECTION ONE 66.033. SUBSECTION THREE FLORIDA STATUTES. WHEN A MUNICIPALITY DENIES AN APPLICATION FOR A DEVELOPMENT PERMIT OR DEVELOPMENT ORDER, THE MUNICIPALITY SHALL GIVE WRITTEN NOTICE TO THE APPLICANT. THE NOTICE MUST INCLUDE A CITATION TO APPLICABLE PORTIONS OF AN ORDINANCE, RULE, STATUTE OR OTHER LEGAL AUTHORITY FOR THE DENIAL OF THE PERMIT OR ORDER. AND THIS IS BECAUSE WHEN YOU APPROVE A REZONING. THE ORDER IS THE ORDINANCE. SO WHEN YOU DENY THE ORDER IS HAS TO BE CREATED. SO WHAT I HAVE BEFORE YOU IS A PROPOSED ORDER THAT I HAVE DRAFTED BASED UPON A REVIEW OF THE OF THE MEETING AND THE ISSUES THAT WERE BROUGHT FORTH AS FAR AS THE GROUNDS. AND THE GROUNDS HAVE TO BE BASED UPON COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE WHICH IS DEFINED IN CASE LAW. COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IS THAT WHICH IS SUFFICIENT, SUFFICIENTLY RELEVANT AND MATERIAL THAT A REASONABLE MIND WOULD ACCEPT IT IS ADEQUATE TO SUPPORT THE CONCLUSION REACH. TESTIMONY OF ATTORNEYS IS NOT COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE, BUT INSTEAD IT STRICTLY AS LEGAL ARGUMENT. CITIZEN TESTIMONY IN A ZONING MATTER IS PERFECTLY PERMISSIBLE AND CONSTITUTE SUBSTANTIAL COMPETENT EVIDENCE AS LONG AS IT IS FACT BASED. CONCLUSORY TESTIMONY OR FACTUALLY INACCURATE TESTIMONY IS NOT COMPETENT, CONSTITUTE COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE, AND THE RECOMMENDATION OF A PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD CONSTITUTES COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE. IF THEIR DECISION IS BASED UPON A CONSIDERATION OF COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE. SO BASED UPON THOSE FACTORS AND A REVIEW OF THE RECORD, I HAVE PROVIDED THE PROPOSED. ORDER WHICH CONSIDERS. I. PROVIDES FIVE DIFFERENT BASES FOR THE THE ORDER. KEEP IT IN MIND THAT, OF COURSE, ALL DEVELOPMENT MUST BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND IT IS THE LAND OWNER OR THE APPLICANT WHO HAS THE BURDEN OF PROOF TO SHOW THAT THEIR APPLICATION COMPLIES STRICTLY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE LAND [02:50:04] DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE FIRST BASIS THAT IS CITED. AND I WILL TELL YOU BEFORE I GET INTO THEM, MOST OF THESE ARE BASED UPON THE TESTIMONY OF THE APPLICANT'S EXPERT, THEIR TRAFFIC ENGINEER. MANY IN RESPONSE TO QUESTIONS BY THE MAYOR. BUT IT'S THE SO THERE WAS EXPERT TESTIMONY AND IT'S THE APPLICANT'S EXPERT. THE FIRST BASIS OF REASONING IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS, POLICIES AND OBJECTIVES OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SPECIFICALLY E-1.51 RELATED TO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT. THE APPLICANT FAILED TO PROVIDE COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS NEEDED ON THE SEGMENT OF MALABAR ROAD NEAR THE SITE ARE INCLUDED IN THE FIRST THREE YEARS OF THE APPLICABLE ADOPTED FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION FIVE YEAR WORK PROGRAM. THANK YOU, MA'AM. THE SECOND IS THAT IT WOULD AS REFERS TO TCE ONE DASH, ONE RELATED TO THE TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT WHICH REQUIRES THE MAINTAIN ROADWAY LEVEL OF SERVICE AT OR BETTER THAN ALL ADOPTED LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARDS. AS THE TESTIMONY WAS THAT THE ROADWAY IS CURRENTLY DEFICIENT AND THERE IS NOT A THERE IS EITHER NOT A PLAN OR THERE'S NOT ACTUAL FUNDING TO PROVIDE THE CORRECTIONS THAT WOULD BRING THE ROADWAY UP. ITEM OR BASIS IS. THAT THE APPELLANT TESTIFIED THAT TO MAKE THE PROJECT VIABLE, THAT THEY WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO EXCEED THE HEIGHT LIMITATIONS. AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CITED IS FLU 2.3 A RELATED TO THE LAND USE ELEMENT, AS THERE ARE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOMES ABUTTING THE SITE ON BIDDLE STREET, AND THERE ARE NO STRUCTURES WITHIN THE IMMEDIATE SITE THAT ARE THREE STORIES. THE CITED PROVISION. THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATION SHOULD CONTINUE TO CONTAIN PROVISIONS TO ENSURE THAT LAND USE IS SURROUNDED BY AND OR BUT IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS ARE NOT IN CONFLICT WITH THE SCALE, INTENSITY, DENSITY AND CHARACTER OF THE RESIDENTIAL AREA. OR IT IS A PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD THAT DID A PUBLIC HEARING AND, AFTER CONSIDERING THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED, RECOMMENDED THE APPLICATION FOR REZONING TO BE DENIED AND FIVE CONSIDERS THE FACTORS IN SECTION 185 201, SUBSECTION C IN PARTICULAR, THE NEED AND JUSTIFICATION FOR THE CHANGE. FINDING THAT THE FINANCIAL HARDSHIP TO THE APPLICANT DUE TO INCREASED CONSTRUCTION COSTS DOES NOT CONSTITUTE CONFIDENCE. SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE JUSTIFYING THE CHANGE WHEN CONSIDERING THE SITE WAS REZONE IN MAY 2022 AND THE TESTIMONY THAT IT WILL LIKELY BE ONE YEAR BEFORE THE APPLICANT TAKES ANY ACTION ON THE PROJECT. ANOTHER BASIS IS AN ALTERNATIVE BASIS. THERE UNDER THE LAW IS THAT YOU FIND THAT THERE IS NO COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS MET ITS BURDEN OF PROVING CONSISTENCY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. ALTERNATIVELY, EVEN IF CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, A ZONING COULD BE DENIED IF THE CITY WERE TO ESTABLISH A LEGITIMATE PUBLIC PURPOSE THAT WOULD SUPPORT THE DENIAL. THIS IS AN ALTERNATIVE BASIS AND IS NOT THE MAIN BASIS, BUT IT'S ESSENTIALLY PLEADING IN THE ALTERNATIVE. AND THAT BASIS IS ALTERNATIVELY MAINTAINING THE EXISTING ZONING ACCOMPLISHES A LEGITIMATE PUBLIC PURPOSE BECAUSE IT ALLOWS THE APPLICANT USE OF HIS PROPERTY WITHOUT SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASING THE CURRENT DEFICIENCY OF THE SEGMENT OF MALABAR ROAD NEAR THE SITE WHEN THE AVAILABLE ROADWAY IS INADEQUATE TO HANDLE AN INCREASE IN DENSITY TO THE SITE, AND THERE ARE NO PLANS OR FUNDING TO ADDRESS THE DEFICIENCY ON THE ROADWAY. SO CERTAINLY NEED COUNSEL'S DIRECTION IF COUNSEL IS OKAY WITH THE. ORDER AS DRAFTED. IF COUNSEL HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR WOULD LIKE FOR ME TO MAKE ANY MODIFICATIONS AND ALSO ANY QUESTIONS OF THE CITY ATTORNEY NO QUESTIONS, MAYOR. BUT I DO FEEL CONFIDENT WITH THIS AS DRAFTED. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ON CNN. I'M GOING TO ASK THE AUDIENCE, ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO. SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM. ITEM NUMBER NINE. SEEING NONE. [02:55:04] I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK FOR A MOTION. SO MOVED. SECOND. ON MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY MAYOR MEDINA. ANY DISCUSSION. I THINK SHE'S SHE SPOKE ON ALL THOSE CHARACTERS IN THAT ORDER. SO I'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I, I ANY OPPOSE PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE ARE NOT GOING ON CONSENT, GENTLEMAN. [CONSENT AGENDA] DEPUTY MAYOR AND HE AND HE ARE. ANYONE PULLING CONSENT ITEMS. RIGHT. NUMBER THREE. NUMBER THREE. NUMBER NINE. AND NUMBER NINE. ANY OTHERS? AND ANY OTHER CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS YOU WISH TO PULL? SEEING NONE. I NEED A MOTION. MOTION TO APPROVE. THE CONSENT AGENDA, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF NUMBER THREE AND NUMBER NINE. SECOND, GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION, GENTLEMEN? SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I I ANY OPPOSE PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER THREE. [3. Contract: Neptune water meters and parts - Utilities Department (Ferguson Waterworks – $1,000,000 (annual estimate, ‘as needed’ basis) (sole source)).] IT'S A BILL BATON. GILBERT IN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST. SEEMS LIKE JUST A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO THAT WE HADN'T HAD 700 K THAT WE'RE SPENDING FOUR METERS. IS THIS JUST THAT WE'VE EXPANDED SO MUCH THAT WE NOW HAVE MORE METERS THAT WE HAVE TO PURCHASE? THAT'S WHAT IT WAS, BECAUSE THIS ONE'S $1 MILLION AND WE JUST SPENT LIKE 700 MILLION I MEAN, 700,000 JUST A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO. SO IT WAS JUST A CURIOSITY QUESTION ON IS IT JUST BECAUSE OF THE CITY EXPANSION AND NEW METERS? THANK YOU. NO, NO, NO. WE GOT TO DO THREE. YEAH, WE GOT TO DO THREE. YEAH. OKAY. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. OKAY. ONLY ONE FOR THREE. SO LET'S GET A RESPONSE. MADAM SHERMAN. THANK YOU, MAYOR. STAFF IS TELLING ME THAT THE PREVIOUS AGENDA ITEM WAS RELATED TO REUSE METERS AND THAT THIS ITEM IS FOR THE NORMAL METERS THAT ARE USED FOR THE WATER SYSTEM. AND WE COULD GET THOSE. PRETTY QUICKLY, OR WILL IT BE A LONG I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME TROUBLES WITH MANY DIFFERENT PARTS AND PIECES, INCLUDING METERS, SO WE'VE TRIED TO PURCHASE MORE. EARLIER AND NOT WAIT AS WE USED TO, BECAUSE IT TAKES SO LONG. THANK YOU, MA'AM. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. I NEED A MOTION. SO MOVE. AND A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX. ALL IN FAVOR I ANY OPPOSE PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER NINE. [9. Consideration of amending Chapter 3, Compensation, of Council's Policies and Procedures, by increasing the monthly incidental expense allotment. (Councilman Foster)] MR. BATTEN. GO BACK IN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST CONSENT AGENDA MEANS IT AUTOMATICALLY PASSES IN FAVOR WITHOUT A PUBLIC DISCUSSION. I DON'T THINK THE PUBLIC IS AWARE OF THIS. THAT IS WHY I PULL SO MANY SEE A ITEM SO THEY HAVE TO BE DISCUSSED IN THE SUNSHINE. ITEM TWO. THE PUBLIC VOTED NOT TO INCREASE YOUR PAY. IN FACT, IT WAS A 70% AGAINST. SO THAT'S WHAT THE PUBLIC THINKS YOU'RE WORTH. SO IN THE DARK OF NIGHT, YOU TRY TO GIVE YOURSELF A 400% INCREASE, RANGING FROM 4.8 THOUSAND TO $6000 IN YOUR EXPENSE ACCOUNT. THIS IS NOT TRANSPARENT GOVERNMENT. THIS WOULD HAVE PASSED WITHOUT THE PUBLIC KNOWING THAT THAT'S WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. REMEMBER, ALL THE MONEY COMES FROM AD VALOREM TAXES AND YOU BROKE THE CAP, YET YOU'RE ASKING FOR A 400% INCREASE IN YOUR MONEY. SIDE. ITEM NUMBER FIVE. MY 401I CAN'T SPEAK AND I'M JUST TALKING WITH OTHERS HAS DECREASED BY OVER 40% IN THE LAST YEAR. SO YOU NEED MORE MONEY TO ENTERTAIN ON. BUT OUR RETIREMENT FUNDS THAT WE HAVE TO SPEND TO PAY OUR TAXES WITH IS DECREASING. I JUST WANT YOU TO KIND OF KEEP THAT IN YOUR MINDSET WHEN YOU'RE ASKING FOR MORE FOR MORE MONEY IN THE DARK OF NIGHT. I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME COMING, BUT THAT STILL MEANS YOU COULD HAVE DISCUSSED IT IN THE PUBLIC. [03:00:05] SO WHAT CONSTITUTES WHAT GOES ON CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS AND WHAT DOES NOT GO ON? OR IT COULD HAVE BEEN COVERED UNDER NEW BUSINESS OR SOMETHING ELSE LIKE THAT INSTEAD OF UNDER CONSENT, WHERE IT WOULD HAVE AUTOMATICALLY BEEN PASSED WITHOUT THE PUBLIC KNOWING YOU'RE GIVING YOURSELF A PAY RAISE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. IT'S MARIE COCHRAN. FOLLOWED BY RANDALL OLSZEWSKI. WELL, CAN WE CAN WE GET A RESPONSE TO THE. WHAT DETERMINES THE CONSENT IN. MADAM CLERK. BUT WE. I'D LIKE TO GET A RESPONSE. STAND BY FOR A SECOND. AS FAR AS THE CONSENT AGENDA, ANY COUNCIL MEMBER THAT PUTS AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA, THAT IS THEIR PERSONAL DECISION, WHERE THEY WANT TO PUT IT UNDER CONSENT OR IF IT GOES ON A NEW BUSINESS ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM. COUNCILMAN FOSTER DID REQUEST THAT IT BE PLACED UNDER CONSENT. THANK YOU, MA'AM. CARRY ON. AS BILL BATTEN SAID, THE VOTERS HAVE SAID NO TO THE INCREASE. AND I'LL ACTUALLY HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH HIM, BECAUSE MY PERCENTAGE SHOWED THAT 71% OF THE VOTERS SAID NO TO THAT. WHEREAS HE SAID 70. I KNOW TECHNICALITIES. AND HE ALSO I ALSO HAD THE SAME QUESTION AS TO WHY THAT WAS NOT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA. I PERSONALLY WOULD HAVE PREFERRED THAT IT WAS PRESENTED ON A REGULAR AGENDA RATHER THAN THE CONSENT AGENDA, BECAUSE THEN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND WE COULD HAVE HAD AN ACTUAL DISCUSSION. AS MR. BATTEN SAID, YOU KNOW, WITH FOUR WINS GOING DOWN FOR ONE CASE GOING DOWN, AND THE INCREASES THAT WE ARE ALL DEALING WITH, I THINK THAT WAS KIND OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE WRONG TIME TO PUT THAT FORWARD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. SOMEONE FIXED THE MICROPHONE. RANDALL OLSZEWSKI, 348 BROOK STREET, NORTH EAST. I WON'T TALK PERCENTAGES. MADAM CLERK, DID THE JUSTICE OF READING IT INTO THE RECORD? 27,817 VOTED NAY. 11,600 VOTED YAY! THE ILL INFORMED ON GIVING COUNCIL MEMBERS A DOUBLE PAY RAISE, A 100% PAY RAISE. SO I'M GOING TO STATE A COUPLE OF FACTS AND THEN I'LL DO WHAT I DO AND I'LL THREAD THEM ALL TOGETHER. BUT YOUR LEGISLATIVE MEMORANDUM STATES THAT THE COUNCIL I'M JUST GOING TO FOCUS ON. COUNCILMEMBER BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT MAYOR RIGHT NOW. COUNCIL MEMBER SALARY IS 10,900, BUT THAT WAS EFFECTIVE 2016. YOUR ACTUAL SALARY RIGHT NOW IS 12,351. BY TRYING TO GET A 100% INCREASE IN $0.20 PER CAPITA, YOU WERE TRYING TO GET YOUR SALARY INCREASE TO 24,000 INSTEAD OF MAKING 1000 A MONTH FOR YOUR VOLUNTEER JOB PART TIME. AS THE POLICY CLEARLY STATES AS A PART TIME GIG AND SHOULD BE COMPENSATED AS SUCH. SO THAT'S THE VERY FIRST STATEMENT OF THE SALARY SECTION. ALTHOUGH YOU TRIED TO GET THE SALARY INCREASE TO 2000 A MONTH, YOU COULDN'T DO IT. THAT WAS ONE FAIL AS IT WAS REFERRED TO IN THE VICTORY SPEECH. THE VICTORY SPEECH WAS WE GOT WE GOT SIX OUT OF EIGHT THREE. WE MISSED ON TWO. BUT THAT'S ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT DO WE DO ON THE CHARTER CAP AMENDMENT THAT DIDN'T GO THROUGH? WE TRIED TO GET RID OF THE BODY, THAT TRIED TO BRING TO THE COMMUNITY THE FACT THAT THE CHARTER CAP SHOULD STAY IN PLACE, THEN THE NEXT SUBSEQUENT MEETING TO MAKE UP FOR THE OTHER L WE TOOK ONLY TWO OUT OF EIGHT. LS DID WE TAKE WE SAY THE PEOPLE, 27,000 OF THEM SAID WE SHOULDN'T HAVE 1000 RACE. LET'S WRITE OURSELVES A $300 RAISE. SO YOU KNOW WHAT THE L IT'S ONLY 70% OF WHAT WE SHOT FOR. WE GOT WE SHOOTING FOR 1000. HEY, I'LL TAKE 300. WHY NOT? ALL UNDER THE VEIL OF INCIDENTAL EXPENSES, THE INCIDENTAL ALLOTMENT PEOPLE OF PALM BAY BE IT KNOWN THIS GOES ON TO THESE COUNCIL MEMBERS PAYCHECK. THEY DON'T GO BUY AN ICE CREAM FOR A KID AND THEN SAY, HEY, I BOUGHT A COUPLE OF KIDS SOME ICE CREAM, GIVE ME 20 EXTRA DOLLARS. IT SHOWS UP ON THE PAYCHECK. AND THEN IF THEY'RE SO INCLINED, GO BUY A KID AN ICE CREAM CONE. I BUY MY WIFE AN EXTRA SET OF FLOWERS FOR ALL THE HOURS I MISS WITH HER. OR MAYBE AN EXTRA DINNER OR WHAT HAVE YOU. I'M COME OUT OF SALARY THAT COME OUT OF THE EXISTING INCIDENTAL. BUT IN THE YEAR 2022 AND THE FISCAL YEAR 2022 TO 2023, WHERE THERE IS DIRE EMERGENCIES IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY FOLKS, DIRE EMERGENCIES [03:05:07] THAT ARE CRITICAL NEEDS THAT WE MUST OBLITERATE OUR VOTED IN CAP, BUT WE NEED A FEW HUNDRED EXTRA BUCKS EVERY MONTH. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? AND THEN THE AUDACITY, THE GALL TO PUT IT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA NEXT TO LEGITIMATE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS SUCH AS BUYING 50 AIR BOTTLES FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT? DID YOU KNOW IF YOU GET RID OF THIS HOGWASH AND DON'T DO IT, YOU COULD TAKE THAT EXACT MONEY AND JUST BUY THAT BEAUTIFUL FIRE DEPARTMENT ONE AIR PACK A MONTH, 1100 AND CHANGE A MONTH. THAT'S HOW MUCH YOU WANT. YOU WANT 100 BUCKS RIGHT HERE. GIVE THEM AN AIR PACK A MONTH. ONE PACK A MONTH. THEN WE WON'T GET IN THESE SITUATIONS WHERE WE NEED ALL THIS MONEY AT A TIME. CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS BUYING $1,000,000 WORTH OF TOURNEY VALVES. IT IS NOT GIVING YOURSELF A PAY RAISE WHEN 24,000 PEOPLE TOLD YOU NO. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER SPEAKER. SIR. IT'S EILEEN SEPP. YES. EILEEN SEPP FROM 1234 RAILROAD. RATHER THAN BE WELL, I'M GOING TO BE REDUNDANT. WHEN THIS COUNCIL REQUESTED A PAY INCREASE FROM MEMBERS AT OUR LAST ELECTION, THE CITIZENS OF PALM BAY SAID NO. SO IN AN EFFORT TO CIRCUMVENT THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE, YOU ARE PLANNING TO AWARD YOURSELVES AN EVEN BIGGER SLUSH FUND THAT WILL LIKELY EXCEED THE INCOME BUMP THAT YOU WERE DENIED BY THE PEOPLE YOU PROMISED TO REPRESENT. THIS IS BOTH AN INSULT AND A SLAP IN THE FACE TO OUR ELECTORATE. THANK YOU. AND THE OTHER SPEAKERS. ON THIS ITEM. TO SPICE. THAT FOR THIS. ASSUMING THE SAME ITEM FOR THIS ITEM. SORRY. I'M SPEAKING ON AM ITEM. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. SORRY. ROBERTS 1796 WHEN WE DRIVE SOUTHEAST, GENTLEMEN, I JUST LOOK AT THIS A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY. I WAS AT A WAL MART A FEW MONTHS AGO, AND I ASKED THE LADY WHO I WAS GETTING COLD CUTS, AND I SAID, WHAT'S WHAT'S DIFFICULT FOR YOU RIGHT NOW? WHAT'S YOUR CHALLENGE POST AND PRE-PANDEMIC? AND SHE SAID TO ME, THE TOUGH THING TO DO IS PEOPLE ARE COMING OUT AND THEY WANT $3.50 WORTH OF SWISS CHEESE OR $4.75 WORTH OF HAM. WE'RE IN THE WORST ECONOMY IN 40 YEARS WITH INFLATION. AND WHEN I SEE PEOPLE STRUGGLE LIKE THAT, THAT TAKES ME BACK. I'M NOT GOING TO TELL YOU HOW MANY YEARS AGO WHEN WE STARTED OFF IN PROJECTS AND THEN FINALLY MOVED TO A AN APARTMENT AT THAT TIME. I PERSONALLY THINK WHAT YOU GUYS DO AND WHAT YOU HAVE TO FACE WITH YOU DEAL WITH PEOPLE LIKE ME. YOU ALL NEED A PAY RAISE. BUT OPTICS ARE EVERYTHING IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, AND THAT'S JUST NOT THE WAY TO DO IT. YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN A HORRIBLE ECONOMY. WE'LL GET THROUGH IT. BUT AGAIN, IT SENDS THE WRONG MESSAGE. AND WE RECEIVED THAT AS DOING IT ON THE SLY OR SNEAKING IT. AND I THINK AS AS FELLOW AMERICANS, WE JUST REPULSED BY SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO, AGAIN, I HEAR YOU. I AGREE THAT WE NEED TO GET YOU WHERE YOU NEED TO BE. WE WE'RE EXPANDING, BUT. NOT THE WAY TO DO IT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES THE SPEAKER CARDS FOR THIS ITEM. YES, MA'AM. OKAY, SO, COUNCILMAN FOSTER, I'M GOING TO DEFER TO YOU BEING THAT YOU PLACED THIS ON THE AGENDA. WELL, THANK YOU, MAYOR. AND I'D LIKE TO GET THE LAST WORD. SO. I WANT TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMENTS. WHILE PUTTING THIS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. IT WAS MY DECISION TO DO IT, WHETHER I PUT IT ON CONSENT OR NEW BUSINESS OR WHATEVER. IT'S STILL ON THE AGENDA. I DIDN'T DO IT AT THE LAST MINUTE EITHER. DID A WAY BEFORE THE GENDER WAS PUT TOGETHER. AND. YOU KNOW, IT'S COMMENTS SUCH AS, OH, YOU'RE TRYING TO SNEAK SOMETHING IN. BUT ON THIS CONSENT AGENDA THAT WAS PASSED JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO, WE'VE GOT $1,000,000 ON THIS CONSENT AGENDA. WE GOT $77,474. I DIDN'T HEAR NOBODY SPEAK ABOUT THAT. WE GOT $167,000 PLUS APPROVED. 25,000. I DIDN'T HEAR NOBODY SPEAK ABOUT THAT. WAS WE TRYING TO SNEAK THAT PASS OF 15,000 AND FIRE IMPACT FEE? [03:10:01] WE'RE TRYING TO SNEAK THAT PASS. IT'S ON THE SENATE. ON THIS PIECE OF PAPER. EVERYTHING ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SNEAK PAST IS OUT THERE IN THE PUBLIC. IT'S ON OUR WEBSITE. AND YOU COULD COME AND SPEAK ON IT. AND ANYBODY. SUCH AS THE CITIZEN PULLED IT COULD PULL IT. WELL, I COULD HAVE PULLED IT. AND ANOTHER MISINFORMED STATEMENT. THIS IS A PAY RAISE. THIS IS NOT A PAY RAISE. WE CAN'T GIVE OURSELF A PAY RAISE. WENT TO A CHARTER REVIEW THAT DECIDED WHAT AMOUNT WAS GOING TO PUT ON THE BALLOT FOR A PAY RAISE FOR THE CITY OF CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR. I DIDN'T SIT ON THAT CHARTER REVIEW. SO MANY PEOPLE WHO SPOKE DID, AND THEY HAD THEIR SAY. AND IT WENT TO THE VOTERS. AND THE VOTERS HAD, THEY SAID. SO THERE IS NO RAISE. NOW LET ME. BUT WHAT THEY DON'T SAY THE SPEAKERS DON'T SAY THAT WE HAVE A MONTHLY. INCIDENTAL EXPENSE ACCOUNT. WE'VE BEEN HAVING IT SINCE 2003. AND THE NEXT YEAR. IT WAS INCREASED IN 2004. AND SINCE 2004, IT HAS NOT BEEN INCREASED. THAT MONTHLY EXPENSE. YOU CAN FIND IT IN THE COUNCIL POLICY AND PROCEDURE. THE MAYOR GETS $200. THE DEPUTY MAYOR OF PALM BAY GET 150 AND COUNCIL GET $100. WE'RE NOT THE ONLY CITY THAT HAS THIS EXPENSE. THE ATLANTIC AND THE EXCUSE ME, INDIA HARBOR BEACH HAS THE EXPENSE. AN EXPENSE THAT'S SUCH A SMALL CITY THAT DON'T HAVE THE HUGE TAX BREAK THAT HASN'T BEEN GROWN LIKE PALM BAY. ON THAT, MAYOR, IS $350 OF EXPENSE. THE DEPUTY MAYOR GET $300. THE CITY COUNCIL GET TO 50, 150 MORE THAN THIS COUNCIL. MELBOURNE HAS A THE MELBOURNE COUNCIL HAS THE EXPENSE. THE MALE MALE BORN GET $415 FOR HIS MONTHLY EXPENSE. THESE CITIES ARE SMALLER THAN PALM BAY. THAT'S. $215 MORE THAN THE MAYOR OF PALM BAY. THE MAIL MELBOURNE GETS $250 FOR THIS MONTHLY INCIDENTAL EXPENSE. $215 MORE THAN THE MAYOR OF PALM BAY. THE CITY COUNCIL OF MELBOURNE GETS 100 AND $225. MORE. THEN THE CITY COUNCIL OF PALM BAY. SORT OF LIKE BEACH HAS A MONTHLY EXPENSE. ARE THESE PAY RAISE FOR THEM? SO WHEN? OH, I FORGOT. COCOA BEACH GETS A $500 MONTHLY EXPENSE. COCOA BEACH. IT ONLY TAKES YOU 3 MINUTES TO GET IN THE CITY AND 3 MINUTES TO GET OUT. THEY HAVE A MONTHLY EXPENSE. AND OTHER CITIES HAVE A MONTHLY EXPENSE. YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT YOUR TAX DOLLARS? THE COUNTY BREVARD COUNTY COMMISSION IS PADIHAM EVERY DAY THE DRIVE FROM THEIR COUNTY OFFICE. TO THE GOVERNMENT, THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT, BUILDING THEIR OWN PER DIEM EVERY DAY. THAT'S A MONTHLY EXPENSE. AND APPLES WOULD BE A PART TIME JOB. ALL THE CITIES ARE NAME THAT GETS A MONTHLY EXPENSE IS A PART. NOBODY'S FULL TIME. NOW, WHY DID I WANT HER TO INCREASE? UM. IT HASN'T INCREASED SINCE 2004. I WANTED TO DO THIS BEFORE THE RAISE AND I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO DO IT. BECAUSE I DON'T CONSIDER THIS A RACE. IT'S NOT A RACE. IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE. PUTTING MORE INTO THE RETIREMENT SYSTEM WON'T COUNT AS YOUR HIGH THREE. SO. THE FACT THAT IT HASN'T CHANGED IN 18 YEARS. IT'S BEEN $200 FOR THE MAYOR, $100 FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. [03:15:03] HASN'T CHANGED IN 18 YEARS. I PAY THE COUNCIL PAY WENT UP IN THE LAST 18 YEARS. THIS HASN'T CHANGED IN 18 YEARS. AND THE FACT THAT. I DO MORE THAN JUST COME TO CITY COUNCIL MEETING TWICE A MONTH. WE ARE OUT THERE IN THE COMMUNITY. WE HAD. PALM BAY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE LUNCHEONS. WE HAD TWO MEETINGS THIS WEEK. IT'S BEEN THE MOST ONE OF THE MOST BUSIEST WEEKS FOR THE COUNCIL. AND I SHOULDN'T. ME AND ANYBODY ELSE ON THIS DIET SHOULDN'T BE SPENDING GAS MONEY OUT OF MY POCKET TO DO PALM BAY WORK. THIS INCIDENTAL EXPENSE COVERS MORE THAN GAS. AND I DIDN'T CREATE THIS INCIDENTAL EXPENSE. IT WAS HERE LONG BEFORE I GOT HERE. BUT IT NEEDS TO INCREASE. SO THAT'S WHY I PUT IT ON THE COUNCIL AND I PUT IT ON CONSENT. KNOWING THAT SOMEBODY'S GOING TO PULL IT. AND TALK ABOUT IT. WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A PAY RAISE. THIS IS NOT A PAY RAISE. THEY DON'T SAY IN OUR COUNCIL. UM. POLICIES AND PROCEDURES IS CONSIDERED YOUR RACE. IT IS NOT TAXED AS A PAY RAISE, A SALARY INCREASE. IT'S NOT TAXED. SO INCIDENTAL EXPENSE THAT OCCURRED FROM BEING ON THE CITY COUNCIL. SO. YOU NEED A MOTION, SIR? SO CONTINUE TO DISCUSS. YES, SIR. THE FIRST THING I WANTED TO SHARE IS I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BREAKING THAT DOWN FOR US. RIGHT. I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT WE DO NEED A MOTION FIRST. HE ADDRESSED A FEW THINGS. RIGHT. SO I WANTED TO. I WANTED TO ASK A FEW QUESTIONS. RIGHT. IF WE MAY MAKE A MOTION AND WE CAN. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE INCREASE OF OUR MONTHLY. SO NO EXPENSE. CHAPTER THREE OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE AND COMMON COUNCIL POLICY AND PROCEDURE BY INCREASING OUR MONTHLY INCIDENTAL EXPENSE FOR THE MAYOR TO BE THE MAYOR, THE DEPUTY MAYOR, THE 500 AND THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO 400. NOW SECOND FOR DISCUSSION. I GOT A MOTION BY. COUNCILMAN FOSTER, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. AND I YIELD MY TIME TO YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. COUNCILMAN FOSTER. I WANT TO VALIDATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. RIGHT. NUMBER ONE, YOU SAID THAT YOU WERE GOING TO BRING THIS UP BEFORE, AND THAT IS THAT IS FACT. STATEMENT. WE WERE IN A WORKSHOP OR WE WERE SUBJECT TO SOMETHING ELSE, AND IT WASN'T THE RIGHT TIME FOR YOU TO BRING THAT UP. SO I WANTED TO VALIDATE THAT. I ALSO WANT TO VALIDATE. YOU'RE RIGHT, WE'RE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY A LOT. THOSE ARE FACTUAL STATEMENTS. WE DO. THERE'S A LOVE TO THIS POSITION. THERE'S A LOVE FOR THIS JOB. AT THE SAME TIME, I WANT TO GO ON THE RECORD MYSELF AS AS SAYING WHEN THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE BOARD BEFORE COUNCIL. ABOUT GETTING A RAISE. I SAID NAME. AND I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU WHY? BECAUSE AND AND WHAT I WAS SAYING WAS IF COUNCIL WE COULD HAVE GIVEN DIRECTION REGARDING THE RAISE, IF COUNCIL WOULD HAVE AGREED FOR THE NEXT TERM, THEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE AFFECTED US. THEN I WOULD HAVE SAID OKAY. IN OTHER WORDS, LIKE DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON OR COUNCILMAN JOHNSON AND COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THEIR SECOND TERM RIGHT THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THAT NEW SALARY BECAUSE WHEN I TOOK MY OATH, THE SALARY WAS EXACTLY WHAT I KNEW WHEN I RAN. SO I WANTED TO SHARE THAT. I WAS THE ONE THAT VOTED AGAINST THE SALARY INCREASE. I DO AGREE THAT THE OPTICS ARE JUST NOT RIGHT. NOW, IT IS OUR PREROGATIVE TO PUT THINGS IN ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. BUT I PROMISE YOU THIS I WOULD HAVE PULLED THIS ITEM MYSELF. I WOULD HAVE PULLED THIS. AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WOULD HAVE PULLED IT. [03:20:01] IT'S JUST THE OPTICS ARE HORRIBLE. 71% OF THE PEOPLE SAID NO TO THE PAY RAISE. AND EVEN THOUGH THIS MAY BE WARRANTED, COUNCILMAN FOSTER IS JUST NOT GREAT OPTICS. THESE THIS IS SOMETHING WHERE OUR CONSTITUENCY IS GOING TO SAY, THERE'S JUST NO WAY YOU SHOULD DO THIS. AND THAT'S WHERE I'M AT IN THIS NOW. EVERY EVERY COST HAS GONE UP. I THINK WE JUST HAVE TO BE LIKE ALL OUR OTHER CONSTITUENTS. WE'VE GOT TO TIGHTEN UP OUR BELT AND LET'S MOVE FORWARD. SO I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS. AND THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. THANK YOU FOR YIELDING YOUR TIME, COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN FOSTER WITH THIS. INCIDENTAL EXPENSES. I WAS GOING TO PULL IT AS WELL. I KNOW FOR ME AND MR. BATTEN KNOWS, I PUT MY ITEMS ALWAYS ON NEW BUSINESS, BUT I WAS GOING TO PULL IT SO WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSION. AND YOU ANSWERED A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS BECAUSE I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT OTHER CITIES OR OTHER COUNTIES OTHER AREAS ARE DOING IN REGARDS TO. THANK YOU. IN REGARDS TO THEIR INCIDENTAL EXPENSES. AND I SEE. YEAH, ALL OF THEM ARE SMALLER CITIES THAN US, BUT A LOT MORE. AND LIKE YOU SAY, 18 YEARS. I KNOW MYSELF AND THOSE WHO PAY ATTENTION. I SPEND A LOT OF TIME OUT IN THE COMMUNITY. SOMETIMES I NEGLECT MY OWN BUSINESS BECAUSE I REALLY. UM, AND I SPEND. SO THIS COVERS LIKE ME GOING TO THE SPACE COAST, TO NASSAU, TO TITUSVILLE, ALL THESE OTHER AREAS. SO WHILE I DON'T THINK I UNDERSTAND THE OPTICS, SO THAT'S WHY I SAY NEW BUSINESS WOULD HAVE BEEN A BETTER PLACE. BUT I DO THINK IT IS WARRANTED. AND I HAVE NO I HAVE NO ISSUE ANSWERING TO ANY PERSON. I WAS JUST AT REPUBLIC SERVICES THIS MORNING AT 5:30 A.M. BECAUSE I CARE. THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF AND I'M GONNA ADDRESS MORE OF THAT IN THE COUNCIL REPORTS, BUT BECAUSE I CARE. SO WHETHER WHETHER WE CHANGE THE DOLLAR AMOUNT OR WHATEVER, I DO THINK IT'S WARRANTED, BUT THE MASSAGING COULD BE THE DOLLAR AMOUNT OR, OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. AND I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH I'M ASSUMING WITH BECAUSE ORIGINALLY IT WAS ONLY A $50 DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MAYOR AND DEPUTY MAYOR. AND I'M ASSUMING IT'S THE SAME BECAUSE I KNOW FOR MYSELF EVERY TIME THERE WAS AN EVENT WHETHER THE MAYOR WAS THERE OR NOT, I TRIED TO BE THERE AS WELL WHEN I WAS DEPUTY MAYOR. AND NINE TIMES OUT OF TEN, ME AND THE MAYOR WERE AT THE SAME EVENT AT THE SAME TIME. SO SO I GET THAT. SO I'M THINKING THAT'S AND YOU CAN CLARIFY, COUNCILMAN FOSTER, IF THAT'S NOT THE CASE, BUT IF IT IS AND I UNDERSTAND WHY THOSE TWO NUMBERS ARE THE SAME, BUT I THINK IT'S WARRANTED, DEFINITELY THE TIMING COULD HAVE BEEN DONE BEFORE OR AFTER OR OR LATER OR WHATEVER, BUT IT'S DONE NOW AND I DON'T SEE I WILL BE SUPPORTING IT. BUT I WANT TO HEAR FROM MY COLLEAGUES ON IF THEY THINK NUMBER SHOULD BE DIFFERENTLY OR ADJUSTED OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE OR GO FORWARD. SO. OKAY. LET ME STATE THAT I KNOW SPEAKING FOR MYSELF. THE THOUGHT TO SERVE THIS GREAT CITY THAT I LOVE. I'M 100% VESTED. I'VE BEEN LIVING 17 YEARS. I'VE. MY ULTIMATE GOAL, MY LEGACY, IS TO LEAVE THIS PLACE MUCH BETTER THAN I FOUND IT. SO WITH THAT SAID, I DON'T BELIEVE ANY OF US IS DOING THIS FOR THE MONEY. A PART TIME JOB. THE POVERTY LEVEL IS IS UNDER 20,000. ANYBODY NOT EARNING UNDER 20,000, YOU CONSIDERED POVERTY A GOOD PART TIME JOB? WE ALL WOULD AGREE IT'S OVER 20,000. SO. I MEAN, I KNOW MULTIPLE MANY OF YOU GUYS SERVED, PUT A LOT OF VOLUNTEER FOR A LOT OF HOURS. AND I CAN TELL YOU THIS WAS SOLD TO US AS BEING PART TIME. IT'S CERTAINLY BY FAR NOT PART TIME. IF, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE OF US THAT TRY TO MAKE EVERY EVENT. AND WE OPENED ON THE COUNTY REPRESENTING THE CITY. I'VE DRIVE A TRUCK WITH GAS PRICING OVER $44. IT COSTS ME MONEY. GOT ABOUT TIME. IT COSTS ME MONEY TO SERVE THE CITY. I THINK NO ONE SHOULD BE PUT IN THAT SITUATION. SO. SO IN TERMS OF TIMING. YES, I MEAN, I GET IT. BUT IT'LL NEVER BE A GOOD TIMING. IT NEVER LOOKS GOOD FOR FOR FOR FOR US TO GIVE OURSELVES A RAISE. I'M NEVER A GOOD TIMING. WHEN WILL IT BE A GOOD TIMING? [03:25:02] WHO WHO CAN ANSWER THAT? IT'LL NEVER BE A GOOD TIMING. IN TERMS OF TIMING, IT'LL NEVER BE GOOD TIMING. AND I KNOW, AS THE MAYOR CONFIRMED, THAT THIS ITEM WAS TALKED ABOUT BEFORE. SO IT'S NOT THE IDEA OF OF YOU KNOW, THE VOTER VOTED. AND I THINK TO BE HONEST, QUITE HONESTLY, I THINK IT WAS JUST A LACK OF VOTER EDUCATION IN TERMS OF UNDERSTANDING, NOT SAYING ALL VOTERS NOT EDUCATED, BUT TRULY UNDERSTAND THE CORE REASON WHY THIS ITEM WAS ON THE BALLOT. IF THE IF THE MAJORITY OF THE 71% OR NEW THAT ALL SALARY, THE MAYOR'S SALARY WAS 20, $23,000 AND ALL SALARY WAS 12,000, I BELIEVE THE REACTION WOULD BE DIFFERENT. I TRULY, HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT. SO. I GET THE OPTIC MAY LOOK LIKE THAT, BUT I TRULY BELIEVE IT'LL NEVER BE A GOOD TIME, EVEN IF THE ECONOMY. I WILL DISAGREE THAT PALM BAY IS NOT DOING WELL ECONOMICALLY. SO I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF THE ITEM, THE WAY IT'S PRESENTED. WE CERTAINLY NOT DOING THIS FOR THE MONEY, BUT I ALSO DON'T BELIEVE IT SHOULD COST ME HAVING TO PUT GAS IN MY TRUCK ON A WEEKLY BASIS JUST TO SERVE THE CITY. I'M GLAD TO DO IT. BUT I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM SUPPORTING THE TITLE. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO, YOU'D LIKE TO WEIGH IN, SIR. THANK YOU, MAYOR. COUNCILMAN FOSTER. I SEE. I SEE THE REASON WHY YOU BROUGHT THIS UP. I MEAN, WE DO TRAVEL ALL OVER THE COUNTY, WEAR AND TEAR ON THE CAR WEAR AND TEAR GAS AS WELL. I JUST WANT TO BRING SOME PERSPECTIVE TO WHEN I WAS OUT THERE BEFORE I CAME UP HERE. WE GET WE GET INVITED TO A LOT OF EVENTS. AND I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, THOSE EVENTS WERE, HEY, COME ON IN. NO INSURE. HERE'S HERE'S DINNER. NOW WE'RE PAYING ON AVERAGE 60 TO 100 60 TO $100 JUST TO GO TO THE EVENT. AND THAT'S AN EVENT TO REPRESENT THE CITY. I ALSO WANTED TO GO INTO ANOTHER THING THAT WITH CITY ISSUED CLOTHING, WHEN I FIRST GOT ELECTED AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, I WAS ISSUED THREE STANDARD ISSUE SHIRTS POLOS. I SEE COUNCILMAN OF FOSTER WEAR A NICE BLUE BUTTON DOWN. THAT WAS ONE OF HIS THREE SHIRTS HE PICKED. I'M LIKE, MAN, I WANT THAT SHIRT. BUT IF I WANTED TO BUY THAT SHIRT, I'D HAVE TO PAY 60 OR $70 FOR THAT SHIRT OR HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST. BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, YOU KNOW, AND I BROUGHT THAT ARGUMENT TO THE PUBLIC, THE PEOPLE THAT REACHED OUT TO ME, WHETHER IT WAS AT THE GROCERY STORE OR OVER THE PHONE, THEY STILL WERE NOT FOR IT. AND THEN JUST GOING WITH THE REFERENDUM HERE AND THAT WAS I CAN'T ARGUE AGAINST A REFERENDUM THAT JUST HAPPENED. AND THAT WAS THEIR ARGUMENT. 77% OF THE PEOPLE VOTED AGAINST THE RAISE. SO I CANNOT SUPPORT THIS COUNCILMAN FOSTER BUT I WANTED TO GIVE PEOPLE THE PERSPECTIVE OF WHY YOU ARE SUPPORTING IT AND WHY I THINK THE REST OF THE COUNCIL IS SUPPORTING IT. BECAUSE KNOWING WHAT I KNOW AND IF I WAS STANDING ON THAT LECTERN OR SPEAKING BEFORE YOU, I WOULD SUPPORT IT FOR YOU. BUT ME SPEAKING FOR THE PEOPLE AND THE PEOPLE THAT I REPRESENT, I CAN'T SUPPORT IT. I'M SORRY, SIR, BUT THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT UP. I GET THE LAST WORD, SIR. CARRY THIS TO YOUR MOTION. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO. HE WAS ON THE OTHER SIDE LIKE I WAS ON THIS SIDE. AND IT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. WHEN WHEN IT COMES TO SERVE AND YOU TRY TO ATTEND EVENTS AND THE MAYOR HAS TO DRIVE A LONG WAY JUST TO GET HERE. THESE ARE EXPENSES THAT WE OCCURRING. AND NOT THE EXPENSES NOT GOING DOWN. THEY'RE GOING UP. AND THIS IS NOT A AGAIN, WE CANNOT GIVE OURSELF A RAISE. IT'S NOTHING IN THAT GENDER. THAT SAID, THIS IS A PAY RAISE. IT'S A MONTHLY EXPENSE ACCOUNT. IT'S NOT TAX. EVEN ON A. ON ONE TIME A MONTH. BEFORE YOU EVEN RECEIVE IT. YOU'RE SPENDING MONEY OUT OF YOUR POCKET JUST TO ATTEND EVENTS. YOU WANT TO CANCEL THE ATTENDANCE MANY EVENTS AND ENGAGE IN THE PUBLIC AS POSSIBLE. YOU JUST DON'T WANT ME. YOU DON'T WANT ME TO COME HERE AND SIT HERE FOR MANY HOURS AND THEN GO HOME AND NEXT TIME YOU SEE ME IS TWO WEEKS FROM NOW. BECAUSE I DO A LOT MORE THAN SIT ON THIS, DI EVERY NOT JUST ME. ALL OF US DO A LOT MORE. THIS IS A VERY ACTIVE. COUNCIL. I THINK THE MAYOR WILL AGREE WITH THAT. WE'RE OUT THERE IN THE COMMUNITY AND I WANT TO AND THAT'S WHY I RAN TO BE OUT THERE IN THE COMMUNITY TO REPRESENT YOU AND. [03:30:05] AND TO SPEND MY MONEY. YOU DO THAT? IT'S RIDICULOUS. BECAUSE I'M ALWAYS SPENDING MY TIME AND THAT'S COST ME MONEY. EVERY TIME I DO SOMETHING FOR PALM BAY, I LOSE MONEY OUT OF MY OWN BUSINESS. THE SOME PEOPLE ON THE DIAS KNOW WHAT I DO. SO. THIS IS THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL. IT'S A. TO MEET THAT NEEDS FOR ME NOT TO SPEND MY MONEY AND EVEN AN AMOUNT THAT IS ON THIS MOTION THAT MOUNTAINS TO ME IS EVEN SMALLER THAN IT SHOULD BE. LIKE I SAID. EVERY CITY COUNCIL ON THE SHEET HAS IT. THIS IS NOT THE PAY RAISE. GO TALK TO THE MAYOR OF MELBOURNE AND ASK HIM, IS THAT $412 AS A PAY RAISE? IS IT ENOUGH TO DO YOUR JOB? OR ASK THE COUNCIL OF. OF COCOA. COCOA BEACH. $500. INCIDENTAL COCOA BEACH. ANYBODY DROVE THROUGH COCOA BEACH. 3 MINUTES TO GET IN AND IN LESS THAN 3 MINUTES TO GET OUT. WE HAVE A WE'RE IN THE LARGEST CITY IN PALM BAY AND. WE. YOU WANT US TO DO MORE? AND TO BE ACTIVE IN THE COMMUNITY AND THE PALM BAY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE PRESIDENT NANCY PELOTON TOLD YOU HOW ACTIVE WE ARE. AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF EVENTS. AND WE ENGAGE IN THE IN THE IN THE WITH OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY. SO SHOULD I NOT GO TO THEM EVENTS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SPEND MONEY OUT OF MY POCKET. I'M NOT GOING TO GET REIMBURSED FOR. THE ONLY TIME PALM BAY REIMBURSE US IF WE GO TO A CONFERENCE, LIKE ALL OF US ON THIS DIET. WENT TO THE CONFERENCE LAST WEEK AND THEY GAVE US PER DIEM. SHOULD THEY STOP GIVING US PODIUM TO GO TO A CONFERENCE SO DID NOT PAY FOR OUR HOTEL? IS THAT A PAY RAISE? THAT'S AN INCIDENTAL EVENT, AND WE DON'T GET NO COMPENSATION TO DO THAT IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY. SO. MY MY STATEMENT TO MY COLLEAGUE, IF YOU FEEL THAT THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT TIME AND YOU DON'T WANT TO TAKE THE MONEY, DONATE IT TO THE PALM BAY MUNICIPAL FUND. DON'T TAKE IT. DONATE IT TO THE PALM BAY MUNICIPAL PUMP. YOU HAVE THAT RIGHT. DONE, MAYOR. THANK YOU. SO I GOT A MOTION IN A SECOND. I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THE OPTICS IS HORRIBLE. BUT I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN FORCES SECONDED BY. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION SIGNIFY BY SAYING I. I ALL OPPOSED. SIGNIFY BY SAYING NAY, NAY, NAY. SO ROLL CALL. I. FOR COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO MEDINA. FELIX MOTION PASSES 3 TO 2. WE ARE NOW ON NEW BUSINESS ITEM NUMBER ONE. [NEW BUSINESS] MS.. SMITH. RESOLUTION 2022, DASH 58, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, RELATING TO THE PROVISION OF STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SERVICES, PROVIDING LEGISLATIVE FINDINGS, ESTABLISHING A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AREA, PROVIDING FOR THE COMPUTATION AND IMPOSITION OF STORMWATER UTILITY FEES UPON THE CITY'S PROVISION OF STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SERVICES WITHIN THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AREA. ESTABLISHING THE METHODOLOGY PURSUANT TO WHICH STORMWATER UTILITY FEES WILL BE IMPOSED AGAINST TAX PARCELS OF BENEFITED PROPERTY. ESTABLISHING A MITIGATION POLICY. RESCINDING RESOLUTIONS OR PARTS OF RESOLUTIONS IN CONFLICT HERE WITH. PROVIDING FOR A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE. PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THANK YOU, MA'AM. MISS SHERMAN. THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO THIS ITEM, I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO HAVE JULIETTE MOSCONI, OUR NEW DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT'S ENTAILED. SHE AND THE TEAM WORKED VERY HARD FOR A NUMBER OF MONTHS TO GET THIS ITEM BEFORE YOU, JULIETTE. THANK YOU, MA'AM. WELCOME, MS.. MOSCONI. THANK YOU. MAYOR. COUNCIL. I'M JULIET MOSCONI. I'M DEPUTY CITY MANAGER. I'M GOING TO SOUND THAT SOUND. IT SOUNDS GOOD. NOT THE FIRST TIME YOU SAID IT. IT IS MAYBE THE FIRST TIME I'VE SAID IT. ME AND DEPUTY MAYOR, WE'RE GETTING USED TO A HUGE TITLE. [03:35:05] I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A VERY BRIEF RECAP. DURING THE FISCAL YEAR 2022 BUDGET DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT INSTITUTIONAL EXEMPTIONS AS THEY'RE CURRENTLY WRITTEN INTO THE STORMWATER UTILITY RATE RESOLUTION. THE INSTITUTIONAL EXEMPTIONS ARE ESSENTIALLY A CARRYOVER FROM WHEN THIS WAS AN ASSESSMENT AND ON THE TAX BILL. THERE WAS COUNCIL DECISION AT THAT TIME WHEN IT BECAME A FEE ON THE UTILITY BILLS TO CONTINUE THE INSTITUTIONAL EXEMPTIONS. WE DID HAVE OUR CONSULTANT AT THE TIME DO AN ANALYSIS AND DETERMINE THAT THERE WERE PROPERTIES THAT WERE GETTING THE EXEMPTION THAT HAD CHANGED PARCEL TYPE DURING THE COURSE OF THE YEAR, BUT WE ONLY DO THE ASSESSMENT ONCE A YEAR. IT'S A VERY INVOLVED ASSESSMENT THROUGH OUR CONSULTANT REVIEWING EVERY PARCEL WITHIN THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AREA BOUNDARY AS DEFINED IN THE RESOLUTION. SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT BASED ON COUNCIL DIRECTION DURING THE WORKSHOP, REMOVING THE INSTITUTIONAL EXEMPTIONS, WE REALIZED TWO THINGS. ONE, THAT IT REQUIRES A MODIFICATION TO THE RESOLUTION AND TO WE WERE NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT DONE IN ENOUGH TIME FOR IT TO BE EFFECTIVE. ON OCTOBER 1ST, WE WANTED TO GIVE AS MUCH NOTICE TO THE IMPACTED PARCEL OWNERS AS POSSIBLE. SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS, FIRST OF ALL, WE'VE CHANGED CONSULTANTS SINCE THEN. YOU ALL KNOW THAT WE NOW HAVE STANTEC AS A CONSULTANT. THIS IS THEIR FIRST YEAR DOING THE ASSESSMENT ROLE. THEY DID A PHENOMENAL JOB. MISS NATALIE SHAVER, SHE'S THE PUBLIC WORKS ENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEER THAT SPEARHEADS THE PROGRAM. SHE KEPT THEM ON THEIR TOES. ASK THEM LOTS OF GREAT QUESTIONS, AND IT WAS A VERY ENGAGED PROCESS. WE HAVE DONE SEVERAL THINGS IN THIS RESOLUTION TO TRY TO GIVE US MUCH NOTICE AND MITIGATE THE IMPACT FOR THIS FIRST YEAR. IN PARTICULAR, WE CREATED A FRIENDLY URL WITH FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS. WE DID TWO MAILERS, ONE THE WEEK OF OCTOBER 31ST AND ONE TWO WEEKS LATER, ADVISING THAT TONIGHT WOULD BE THE TIME THAT COUNCIL WOULD BE CONSIDERING THIS MODIFICATION. WE DID USE A PROFESSIONAL MAILING SERVICE FOR THAT SO WE COULD ENSURE THAT THEY ALL WERE NOTIFIED. WE ALSO HAVE PROVIDED A WORD THAT I WANT TO USE. WHAT IS THE WORD THAT I WANT TO USE? WE'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD THEM. WE'RE NOT GOING TO BACKFILL THEM. IT'S PRORATED. THANK YOU. PRORATED IS THE WORD THAT I'M LOOKING FOR FROM OCTOBER THROUGH DECEMBER 31ST. SO THIS WOULD NOT BE EFFECTIVE UNTIL JANUARY 1ST. SO THE FIRST BILL WOULD BE PRORATED, BUT THEN IT WOULD BE FULL GOING FORWARD STARTING IN OCTOBER 1ST, 2023. SO FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024. AND THEN WE ALSO EXTENDED THE MITIGATION CREDIT DEADLINE. THERE ARE MANY PARCELS THAT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR A MITIGATION CREDIT BASED ON THE PRIVATE STORMWATER UTILITY SYSTEM THAT THEY HAVE CONSTRUCTED ON THEIR PROPERTY. COULD BE SOMETHING AND I'LL LET NATALIE SPEAK TO THAT. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS AS SIMPLE AS A STORMWATER POND OR AS COMPLEX AS BAFFLE BOXES AND OTHER THINGS THAT WE INSTALL. AND LASTLY, AS PART OF THE EXAMINATION OF THE RESOLUTION, WE DID EXPAND THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AREA. IT HAD NOT BEEN EXPANDED SINCE WE REVIEWED THE PROGRAM IN 2017. SO WE INCORPORATED OTHER PARCELS INTO THE AREA THAT ARE IMPACTING THE CITY'S OVERALL AND PDBS AND GMS FOR PERMITS. AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. ALSO, ANY QUESTIONS? NOT REALLY A QUESTION, BUT I APPRECIATE STAFF'S DILIGENCE ON THIS ITEM. I KNOW IT WAS BROUGHT UP, I THINK TOWARDS THE BEGINNING OF COUNCIL 2020 TO 2020 COUNCIL'S 20. YEAH, IT WAS BROUGHT UP. JEFF BAILEY WAS STILL AMONG US. THAT WAS IT WAS THEN WITH MYSELF AND COUNCILMAN BAILEY SPEAKING ON. YOU KNOW, WE'RE PROVIDING A SERVICE AND EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY IS PAYING TOWARDS THAT SERVICE. BUT HERE WE HAVE SEVERAL THAT ARE HAVE BEEN EXEMPT FROM THAT SERVICE FOR A LONG TIME. SO WE HAVE MAJORITY OF THE RESIDENTS THAT HAVE BEEN PAYING FOR THAT SERVICE WHERE. THERE ARE SEVERAL THAT WEREN'T. SO I APPRECIATE YOU DOING YOUR DUE DILIGENCE, ESPECIALLY THE PORTION OF YOU KNOW THOSE PROPERTIES, BECAUSE I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM ONE SPEAKER THAT HAVE BEEN DOING WHAT THEY NEED TO DO IN REGARDS TO STORM WATER MITIGATION. SO I THINK THAT THAT PLAYS A HUGE ROLE BECAUSE I KNOW AS WELL I HATE TO BRING THEM UP AGAIN, BUT MR. BATTEN, HE HE HANDLED SOME OF HIS STORM WATER AS WELL, TOO. SO I THINK THAT'S A BIG PLUS FROM STAFF ON THAT. SO THANK YOU. WELL, THE WORK THAT WENT INTO THE LIST. THAT'S. THANK YOU, SIR. ANY QUESTIONS? DO WE HAVE SPEAKERS? QUITE A FEW. MAYOR, WE HAVE REVEREND DAVID TREXLER. ALTHOUGH BY MR. BATTEN. [03:40:09] ON, DAVID. REVEREND DAVID TREXLER AT PEACE LUTHERAN CHURCH. AND I'VE WRITTEN A LETTER THAT I WOULD LIKE TO READ TO THE PALM BAY CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. PEACE LUTHERAN CHURCH, LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF PORT MALABAR AND CLAREMONT. I SERVED THE LORD, THE PALM BAY COMMUNITY AND ITS RESIDENTS FOR NEARLY 60 YEARS. THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH WORDS TO DESCRIBE ALL THE GOOD THAT SHE HAS DONE IN THESE PAST 60 YEARS. CURRENTLY, WE OPERATE A FOOD PANTRY WITH MEATS AND FRESH VEGETABLES EVERY MONTH, SERVING CLOSE TO 1000 OF OUR CITIZENS LIVING IN 32905 AND 3297. FROM OUR FRONT DOOR. MEALS ON WHEELS DISTRIBUTES 250 MEALS DAILY TO OUR HOMEBOUND. ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS, NARCOTICS ANONYMOUS MEET DAILY. WE HOST SHEPHERD CENTER FOR LEARNING, KEEPING THE MINDS OF OUR AGED POPULATION SHARP AND ACTIVE. WE OPEN OUR DOORS, OUR CHURCH HOME TO A VARIETY OF COMMUNITY GROUPS WHO ALSO SERVE THE WANTS AND THE NEEDS OF PALM BAY. WE BURY THE DEAD AND WE CELEBRATE WITH THE LIVING. THE CHURCH GIVES OUR PEOPLE COMFORT. OH. AND WE DO THIS WORK THROUGH THE DONATIONS OF ABOUT 125 FAITH FILLED SAINTS. ALMOST TWO YEARS AND NINE MONTHS AGO, THE CHURCH ACTUALLY SHUT DOWN. SOMETHING THAT HAS NOT OCCURRED SINCE THE SPANISH FLU IN 1918. BASICALLY, EVERY SINGLE CHURCH IN THIS COUNTRY WAS HIT HARD BY COVID 19. PEACE LUTHERAN HAS BEEN IN THE RED OVER 100,000 YEARS THESE PAST TWO YEARS AND NINE MONTHS, FORCING US TO SELL ASSETS OF LAND ALL WHILE CONTINUING THE ABOVE MINISTRIES. TOO MANY CHURCHES HAVE HAVE NOT BEEN AS FORTUNATE. SINCE CLOSED THEIR DOORS. MANY MORE ON THE VERGE OF DOING THE SAME. WHILE PEOPLE ARE SLOWLY STARTING TO RETURN TO WORSHIP. OUR NEXT BATTLE BECOMES INFLATION. WITH CHARITABLE CONTRIBUTIONS BEING THE ONE THING. THAT PEOPLE CAN CUT FROM THEIR BUDGET WITHOUT CONSEQUENCES. AFTER ALL, WE DO NOT MAIL INVOICES. THE TIMING OF THIS PROPOSED RESOLUTION TO REMOVE THE INSTITUTIONAL EXEMPTION. FROM THE STORMWATER UTILITY FEE RESOLUTION 2022-58 COULD BE DEVASTATING NEWS FOR STRUGGLING CONGREGATIONS. THANK YOU. CONGREGATIONS THAT ARE SIMPLY TRYING TO MAKE OUR COMMUNITY A BETTER A KINDER PLACE TO LIVE. THANK YOU, SIR. AND I HAD THAT MUCH NEGATIVE, SIR. I HUMBLY ASK THAT YOU RECONSIDER. THANK YOU. MR. BATTEN. BILL BATTON 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST. I NOTICED WHEN I WAS GOING THROUGH THE LIST, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS THAT COULD BE CHARGED WAS PRIVATE SCHOOLS AND CHARTER SCHOOLS. THEY COULD BE CHARGED. AND IT WAS THE CITY'S POLICY THAT THE INSTITUTIONS WOULD NOT BE CHARGED. NOW, THE REASON WHY THAT BRINGS A LITTLE BIT OF HATE AND DISCONTENT TO ME IS THESE ARE FOR PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS. THEY MAKE A PROFIT. IT'S NOT LIKE SOME THAT ARE JUST BARELY MAKING A BUY. THEY HAVE SHAREHOLDERS AND STUFF LIKE THIS THAT THEY HAVE TO PAY. SO THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, JUST PUTS A LITTLE BIT OF LIGHT ON IT. THEY'RE MAKING MONEY, BUT THEY'RE ASKING ME TO CARRY THEIR LOAD OF THE STORM WATER BECAUSE ANYTHING THEY DON'T PAY HAS TO BE PUT BACK ONTO THE BACKS OF THE PAYING [03:45:03] INDIVIDUALS. THAT'S HOW THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN. SO IT JUST SEEMS STRANGE THAT PRIVATE SCHOOLS AND CHARTER SCHOOLS, WHICH, LIKE I SAID, ARE FOR PROFIT, DON'T HAVE TO PAY INTO THIS ONE. IT JUST RUBS ME THE WRONG WAY AND I CHALLENGE THAT BEFORE. ITEM NUMBER TWO. WAS MITIGATION. THERE ARE CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS THAT GET HAVE MITIGATION CAPABILITY. I LOOKED INTO MITIGATION BECAUSE I'M PROUD TO BE A NATURE LOVER. I DO. I TRY TO DO MY FAIR SHARE. IF ANYBODY'S BEEN TO MY HOUSE, THEY KNOW I HAVE MY OWN RETENTION PONDS, I HAVE MY OWN SWELLS. WATER DOES NOT LEAVE MY PROPERTY UNTIL I MAINTAIN TWO INCHES OF STANDING WATER BEFORE IT LEAVES MY PROPERTY. THAT'S JUST THE WAY MY. PERSONAL BELIEF IS. BUT IN ORDER FOR ME TO MEET MITIGATION, I WOULD HAVE TO PAY A HYDROLOGIST. SO ME BEING THE DUMMY I AM, I LOOKED INTO HOW MUCH A PROFESSIONAL HYDROLOGIST WOULD COST ME. IT WOULD TAKE FIVE YEARS FOR ME TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE SO I COULD NOT AFFORD TO FILE FOR MITIGATION TO BE A RESPONSIBLE PERSON. SO INSTEAD I JUST PAY MY STORMWATER FEE. OTHER PEOPLE, LIKE THE DEVELOPERS THAT DO MEET THE CRITERIA, THEY JUST ROLL THAT OVER INTO THE PRICE OF THEIR HOUSE AND STUFF. SO THEIR STORMWATER MITIGATIONS, THEY'RE STILL PUTTING STORMWATER OUT THERE AND THEY HAVE THEIR OWN RETENTION PONDS, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY BECAUSE THEY PUT THE COST ONTO THE HOMEOWNER. BUT THAT'S DIFFERENT. SUBJECT ITEM NUMBER THREE. OF COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU POINTED OUT THAT I'VE BEEN ADDRESSING THIS SINCE DAY ONE, THAT IT WAS SOMETHING I SAW THAT WAS NOT, LET'S JUST SAY, EQUITABLE. WHAT'S GOOD FOR THE GOOSE SHOULD BE GOOD FOR THE GANDER. I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU POINTED OUT AND I'VE POINTED IT OUT SINCE DAY ONE WHEN IT WAS FIRST PROPOSED. SO I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU RECOGNIZE THAT. WITH THAT BEING SAID, I DID SEE HOW MUCH WORK WENT INTO THIS MASSIVE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. PLUS, I LIKE THE 1.1. 7 MILLION THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET. I APPRECIATE IT. TO STEVE AND REEVES, FOLLOWED BY MATT TO LAGOON. ANY MAN. COUNSEL MY NAME IS REVEREND STEPHEN REESE. I PASTOR CORNERSTONE ASSEMBLY. GOD AT 901 THOMPSON STREET. I'M HERE LIKE SEVERAL OF THE OTHERS THAT WERE CAUGHT OFF GUARD BY THIS FEE. STORMWATER FEE. THE CHURCH HAD FORESIGHT AND VIGILANCE WHEN IT WAS BUILT IN 2005. WE HAD PUT IN RETENTION PONDS TO MITIGATE ANY KIND OF RUNOFF FROM THE CHURCH, ANY OF THE IMPERVIOUS STUFF COMING OFF THE PARKING LOT OR THE OFF THE TOP OF THE BUILDING. ALL THE PERVIOUS STUFF AROUND OUR AREA IN OUR LAND THAT WE OWN IS PERCOLATED DOWN. IT'S MAINTAINED. I SPENT QUITE A BIT OF MONEY TO MAKE SURE IT'S MAINTAINED MONTHLY. I'M HERE TODAY TO. ASK FOR RECONSIDERATION FOR THE CHURCH. I PASTOR 25 PEOPLE IT WOULD DEVASTATE AND I'D HAVE TO CLOSE MY DOOR. IT WOULD PUT A HARDSHIP ON ME PERSONALLY. I ALREADY SPEND ENOUGH MONEY OF MY OWN MONEY TO HELP KEEP THE CHURCH'S DOORS OPEN TO MEET THE COMMUNITY'S NEEDS. WE DO FEED THE HOMELESS. WE DO FEED OTHERS WHO ARE IN NEED DESPERATELY. PEOPLE WHO ARE LONG RESIDENTS HERE. THE CITY I LIKE SEVERAL OTHER PEOPLE, WERE LIKE, WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? I SOUGHT THE HELP OF A FRIEND OF MINE WHO WAS ABLE TO GIVE ME A LITTLE BIT MORE INSIGHT. DALE WAS GREAT IN NOT ONLY EDUCATING ME A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT HELP TALK TO ME ABOUT LISTEN, STEVE, LISTEN. THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED TO DO. HELP BRING AND PRESENT YOUR CASE TO THEM. THEY ARE THERE HONORABLE MEN HERE THAT WILL SEE WHAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE TO PRESENT. SO I'M HERE TODAY NOT ONLY ON BEHALF OF MYSELF, BUT ALL THE PEOPLE THAT CORNERSTONE IS GOING TO BE HAS BEEN SERVING HERE. THOSE HAVE GONE ON BEFORE ME. YES, I DO HAVE CELEBRATED LIFE WITH PEOPLE. I'VE HAD FUNERALS IN MY HOME AND MY CHURCH. I CALL IT MY HOME BECAUSE I LIVED THERE. SOMETIMES I'M THERE 60 HOURS A WEEK. SOMETIMES IT'S A FEW HOURS BECAUSE I'M BUSY RUNNING AROUND PAYING STUFF. I DON'T CONSTANTLY I DON'T ASK MY CONGREGATION TO FILL MY POCKETS. I'M ASKING FOR THE CITY'S HELP. AND THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR. NOT TO TAKE IN TOO MUCH MORE FROM MY CONGREGATION. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. MY NAME IS MAJOR LANGONE. I'M HERE REPRESENTING PALM BAY ACADEMY CHARTER SCHOOL. LET ME CLARIFY SOMETHING FOR THE GENTLEMAN WHO JUST SAID THAT CHARTER SCHOOLS ARE PRIVATE SCHOOLS. [03:50:07] THEY ARE NOT PRIVATE SCHOOLS, AS YOU KNOW, MAYOR. THEY ARE PUBLIC SCHOOLS. WE RUN WITH PUBLIC FUNDS. AND IN FACT, JUST TO INFORM HIM, CHARTER SCHOOLS HAVE TO PAY 5% ADMINISTRATIVE FEE TO BREVARD COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS JUST TO EXIST. SO JUST TO INFORM YOU, I THINK WE ALL NEED TO HAVE THE RIGHT INFORMATION BEFORE WE PUBLICLY MAKE SUCH STATEMENTS. MY APOLOGIES DON'T MEAN TO OFFEND ANYONE HERE, BUT I'M HERE TO MAKE A REQUEST ON BEHALF OF PALM BAY ACADEMY. PALM BAY ACADEMY WAS BUILT ON CAMPUS ON COMMUNITY COLLEGE PARKWAY. THE YEAR 2007. THERE IS A LAKE ON THE PROPERTY WHICH WE SHARE WITH ST JOHN'S WATER MANAGEMENT. WE ARE CIVIL ENGINEER JAKE WEISS WORKED WITH THE CITY ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AT THAT TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD OUR OWN STORMWATER SYSTEM AND SO WE WERE BEING EXEMPT ON THOSE GROUNDS THAT WE TOOK CARE OF OUR OWN STORMWATER ON OUR PREMISES. MY REQUEST TO YOU, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IS TO PLEASE CONSIDER THE FACTS THAT WE HAVE GONE THROUGH AS A SCHOOL, IN BUILDING THE SCHOOL AND SERVING THIS COMMUNITY AND WAIVE THE FEE THAT HAS BEEN IMPOSED ON PALM BAY ACADEMY THAT SAW YOUR PUBLIC SERVANTS GREATLY APPRECIATE YOUR HELP IN EVERY WHICH WAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR GIVING ME YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? THAT CONCLUDES THE. RECORDS. OK NELSON. WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2022 DASH 58, AND REPEAL AND REPLACE RESOLUTIONS 2020, DASH 35 AND 2020, DASH 40 AND APPROVE THE APPROPRIATION OF FUNDS TO COVER THE INSTITUTIONAL PROPERTY EXEMPTIONS FOR THE FIRST QUARTER OF FISCAL YEAR 2023. SECOND. WE GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX. YES, MAYOR. AND PART OF IT ALSO I'M ALSO GOING TO REFER TO STAFF AS WELL. AND I MEAN, I MADE MY COMMENTS EARLIER WHEN I WAS WHEN I WAS TALKING REFERRING TO MR. BATTEN. BUT THIS IS SOMETHING IF I ASKED MISS TERESE IF SHE CAN PULL WHEN THIS FIRST EXEMPTION WAS FIRST PUT IN PLACE, BECAUSE I BELIEVE IT WAS AROUND THE SAME TIME, I THOUGHT IT WAS 2016. OR. YES. THAT'S. NO. WE HAVE NOTHING. I'M STILL LOOKING. BUT WHAT I'M SEEING SO FAR WAS IN MAY OF 2017, 2017. I'M ABOUT TO REVIEW THE MINUTES, THOUGH. YEAH, OKAY. I COULDN'T REMEMBER THE TIMING OF IT. I WASN'T SURE IF THE TIMING WAS AROUND. THE SAME TIME THIS THIS AUDIENCE WAS PACKED WHEN THE STORMWATER FEE HIKE HAPPENED, SO I WASN'T SURE IF IT WAS THAT SAME TIME BECAUSE IF IT WAS MY MY UNDERSTANDING, THAT'S WHY I WAS HOPING FOR CLARIFICATION. MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THIS WAS KIND OF A YOU KNOW, YES, WE'RE HIKING IT UP FOR EVERYBODY ELSE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO EXEMPT THESE INSTITUTIONS. BUT FOR STAFF, IF THEY CAN ELABORATE, BECAUSE WE'VE HEARD FROM TWO CHURCHES, WELL, TWO FACILITIES RIGHT NOW IN REGARDS TO MITIGATION, IF YOU CAN ELABORATE ON WHAT WAS SPOKEN OF ON THE COST TO. YOU KNOW, PROVE THAT THEY'RE MITIGATING PROPERLY OR WHATNOT, LIKE THE ONES THAT HAVE THEIR OWN RETENTION. YES, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YES. LIKE THIS GENTLEMAN RIGHT HERE. AND THEM AS WELL WAS TO ME THAT THAT THAT IS A VERY GREAT POINT. SO I'M TRACKING THAT. SO I GUESS. WE'LL HAVE NATALIE SCHREIBER, OUR ENGINEER THREE, COME ON UP AND GO THROUGH A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE MITIGATION CREDIT PROCESS FOR US. GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR, DEPUTY MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. SO THE MITIGATION CREDITS ARE AWARDED TO APPLICANTS WHO CAN SHOW THAT THEIR STORMWATER IS MANAGED ON THEIR SITE. AND TYPICALLY, AND I THINK IN THE CASE OF PERHAPS CORNERSTONE AND PERHAPS PEACE LUTHERAN AND DEFINITELY IN THE CASE OF PALM BAY ACADEMY, THERE ARE EXISTING PERMITS AND THOSE PERMITS WILL SPEAK TO THE TYPE OF SYSTEM, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM. [03:55:02] SO I WANT TO SAY THOSE THREE INSTITUTIONS STAND TO GET AND I'M TALKING OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD RIGHT NOW, BUT GIVEN REGULATORY STANDARDS IN THE PAST 1020 YEARS, THEY STAND TO GET ABOUT 25 TO 30% MITIGATION CREDIT, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY A DISCOUNT. AND WHAT THEY WOULD NEED TO TO TO DO THAT AND I WILL SIT DOWN WITH WHOMEVER NEEDS SOME ADDITIONAL GUIDANCE, BUT THEY WOULD, YOU KNOW, FILL THE APPLICATION AND HAVE A FLORIDA REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER SIGN AND SEAL THAT THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM ON THEIR SITE IS OPERATING AS DESIGNED AND THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT. THEY WOULD PAY THE ENGINEER, BUT NOT NOT THE CITY. THERE IS NO FEE FOR THE APPLICATION. WE REVIEW THE APPLICATION, THERE IS NO ADMINISTRATIVE FEE. AND WHAT IS THE AVERAGE COST OF THEM HIRING AN ENGINEER TO CERTIFY THAT? CAN YOU HELP ME WITH THAT? I REALLY, TRULY COULDN'T SPEAK TO THAT. I CAN GIVE ME AN ESTIMATE, A BALLPARK FIGURE. HERE'S WHAT I COULD TELL YOU. MAYOR AND COUNCIL ARE OUR RATES THAT THE CITY PAYS FOR OUTSIDE CONSULTANT, PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS. OUR HOURLY RATES RANGE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 150 AND 200,000 FOR A P. THAT IS THAT IS WHAT THE CITY PAYS OR P PER HOUR. BUT I CANNOT SPECULATE HOW MANY HOURS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. YEAH, THIS IS THIS IS A VERY, VERY SIMPLE APPLICATION. I DON'T EXPECT IT IN THE THOUSANDS. AND MISS LANGONE SPOKE OF JAKE WISE, WHO HAS PREVIOUSLY DONE THESE APPLICATIONS FOR PALM BAY ACADEMY. YOU KNOW, AND I HONESTLY DON'T THINK IT'S IN THE THOUSANDS. I MEAN, IT WOULD LITERALLY BE REITERATING EXACTLY WHAT HE HAD DONE BEFORE AND PUTTING HIS SEAL ON IT. IT WOULD BE LESS THAN AN HOUR'S WORK. AND HONESTLY, THE SAME FOR OTHERS WITH CERTIFIED SYSTEMS OR PERMITTED STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS. YEAH, SO THERE THERE THERE ARE TIERS AND DEPENDING ON WHAT'S HELD ON SITE AND YOU KNOW HOW THE SYSTEM HAS BEEN PERMITTED, YOU CAN GET 25 TO 30, 50 TO 100, 100 IS RARE, BUT DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE SYSTEM, IT'S POSSIBLE. I'M GOOD. I'M GOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION ON THAT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AND ALSO ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. STAFF. THANK YOU, MA'AM. APPRECIATE YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU. SIR. MA'AM, YOU. YOU'VE ALREADY SPOKEN. NO. JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT. MA'AM, YOU'VE ALREADY SPOKEN. I'M SORRY. I WAS GOING TO GIVE YOU THE CAUSE. MA'AM, I DON'T. I CAN'T. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? HE'S SECOND IN THE MOTION. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD? THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY, MARY, I DO UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN OF THE THESE INSTITUTIONS, BUT WHAT WHAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED IS THAT. UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S THAT'S A CAUSE THAT EVERY SINGLE MEMBER OF THIS COMMUNITY I HAVE TO SHARE. WHEN WHEN WE GIVE OBVIOUSLY NON-FOR-PROFIT CHURCHES AND INSTITUTIONS SUCH ALREADY BENEFITING FROM FROM OTHER TAXES. RIGHT. OTHER PRIVILEGES AND AS A51C3, THE FACT THAT STORMWATER IS SOMETHING CITYWIDE, THIS IS A SERVICE THAT WE ALL NEED AND THAT'S A FUN SOURCE OF FUN THAT'S NOT DOING TOO WELL IN TERMS OF HAVING ENOUGH TO SERVE THE NEEDS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. I WOULD SUPPORT THE CHANGE TO REALLY HAVE EVERYBODY CONTRIBUTED. I KNOW WE WERE USING A PRORATION. IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE DROPPING IT, AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN TAUGHT, DISCOUNTS WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT A PAST YEAR. I'M SURE NOTICE PLENTY OF NOTICE HAS BEEN OUT LAST YEAR OR SO. IT'S NOT A SURPRISE. SO AS MUCH AS I WANT TO SYMPATHIZE WITH WITH WITH THE GOOD THAT YOU GUYS PROVIDE AND TRULY APPRECIATED, I'M A BIG FAN OF SERVICE THAT YOU [04:00:09] DO. CHURCH MEMBER MYSELF, VERY ACTIVE IN MY CONGREGATION. BUT WE WHAT'S FAIR? IT'S FAIR. WE WE HAVE TO. I WILL BE IN SUPPORT OF. THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, MY COMMENTS ARE, YOU KNOW, I'VE SEEN LARGE CHURCHES. REALLY GROW THE CHURCH WITHIN. AND I'VE SEEN SMALL CHURCHES. REACH OUT AND DO WHAT YOU WOULD THINK A LARGE CHURCH IS DOING. RIGHT. HOW DO YOU MEASURE THAT? HERE WE HAVE A CHURCH THAT FEEDS THE HOMELESS, THAT TAKES CARE OF THOSE THAT ARE THAT ARE LESS FORTUNATE THAN US. AND YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE ARE TAX INCENTIVES. BUT ARE WE PUTTING A VALUE ON ON A LIFE? AND I SHARED THIS ALL ALONG THROUGHOUT THE WORKSHOP. THERE'S THERE'S GOT TO BE, YOU KNOW, AN OPPORTUNITY. THERE'S SOME CHURCHES THAT DO REALLY GOOD WORK AND THEY HAVE. TAX DEFERMENTS, IF YOU WILL, OR TAX INCENTIVES. THEY DON'T PAY THE TAXES. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, HOW DO YOU VALUE WHAT WHAT YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PUTTING OUT? I, I, I SEE THE ARGUMENT EVERYONE HAS STORM WATER, THE ONES THAT CAN ACTUALLY RETAIN IT THEMSELVES AND PERHAPS THE CREDIT I. I GIVE YOU. I COMMEND YOU, MAN, FOR ALL THE HARD WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE. REALLY HAVE, MA'AM. AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT WHAT'S WHAT'S AT STAKE AS WELL WITH OUR FAITH BASED COMMUNITY, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE US IS THE FAITH BASED COMMUNITY. AND WE HAVE A CHARTER SCHOOL AS WELL. COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO. COMMENTS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I HAVE NO COMMENTS HERE. JUST A. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE EXACTLY READY FOR THIS YET BECAUSE IT'S NOT FULLY DEVELOPED. PLUS, WE HAVE ELBOW AGREEMENTS IN THIS AREA, WHICH I THOUGHT ALREADY KIND OF SOLVED THIS PROBLEM. THIS AREA IS STILL PRETTY RURAL AS WELL AS COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES OUT THERE. THERE'S. I WON'T SAY AGRICULTURE, BUT THERE IS SOME PROPERTIES LIKE THAT OUT THERE. I CAN'T VOTE FOR THIS. I DON'T FEEL IT. I THINK THIS IS A LITTLE TOO EARLY TO BE ABLE TO VOTE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS BECAUSE THIS AREA IS NOT DEVELOPED. AND THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS, SIR. THANK YOU. WE'RE ALL GOING TO TALK. LET ME GIVE THE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MARY. THE GENTLEMAN WHO HAD THAT SMALL CHURCH THAT SAID HE WOULD CLOSE HIS CHURCH WILL CLOSE DOWN. IT REALLY TOUCHED MY HEART. HE'S BEING HONEST. AND I DON'T WANT YOU TO CLOSE DOWN YOUR CHURCH. AND THAT'S WHY I'M HAVING A HARD TIME WITH THIS. I THINK EVERYBODY SHOULD PAY STORMWATER. I THINK WE SHOULDN'T EXEMPT ANYBODY, BUT ALWAYS. BUT. RIGHT. BUT. OUR FAITH BASED COMMUNITY IS DOING. YOU KNOW, GOD'S WORK. THEY'RE DOING YEOMAN'S WORK, SAVING PEOPLE'S LIVES. THEY'RE CHANGING PEOPLE'S LIVES. THAT YOU CAN'T MEASURE THAT IMPACT ON THE CITY CITY BUDGET. OF. I'M JUST. I JUST HAVE I'M HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME TO SUPPORT THIS. I THINK EVERYBODY EXCEPT CHURCHES SHOULD BE EXEMPT. THAT'S WHAT I'M FEELING. EVERYBODY SHOULD EVERY KNOW DON'T EAT. CHURCHES SHOULD BE EXEMPT FROM STORM WATER. THAT'S. EVERYBODY SHOULD PAY. THAT'S WHAT I'M FEELING. BUT THAT. IS HAVING A HARD TIME WITH THIS. OR MAYBE THEY SHOULD GET EXTRA CREDIT. THEY HAVE A STORMWATER SYSTEM. THAT'S WHY I'M. I'M NOT READY TO MAKE A DECISION RIGHT NOW. THERE. THE MAYOR RANG THE BELL FIRST, BUT THEN. THIS IS A TOUGH DECISION. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, YOU WENT BACK. I REMEMBER THAT MEETING I WENT ON. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FLOODING THE CROWD. I MEAN, THE COURTYARD. I HAVE PEOPLE THAT TRAVEL FROM. [04:05:02] IT WAS THE AND IF I WAS ON THE DIAS, THEN I WOULDN'T TAKE THAT DECISION THE WAY IT WAS DONE, I THINK IT WAS IT WASN'T QUITE RIGHT THE WAY IT WAS DONE. IT SHOULD BE INCREMENTAL. IT WAS A33. YOU KNOW, IT WAS REALLY A THREE TIME. I THINK IT WAS A TRIPLE THE WAY THE INCREASE WAS DONE. I DISAGREE. THE PROCESS OF WHICH WAS DONE. AND THAT IS CORRECT. I THINK IT'S MORE OF A SOMEWHAT OF A COMPROMISE WHERE THE CHURCH, THE FAITH BASED COMMUNITY, FAITH BASED COMMUNITY WAS EXEMPT BECAUSE, WELL, PART OF WHO FILLED THE CROWD WAS THE CHURCHES AND SO ON AND THE LARGE LANDOWNER AND AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. BUT I MEAN, TO THE FLIPSIDE OF THAT, THIS IS A UTILITY ISSUE. WHEN DO YOU WHERE DO YOU DRAW THE LINE? THIS IS UTILITY. IT'S AS IF, OKAY, LET'S JUST, YOU KNOW, SAY ALL THE FAITH BASED COMMUNITY, THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY THEIR WATER BILL. IT'S NO DIFFERENT. THIS IS A UTILITY BILL THAT IS A VIABLE UTILITY COST ON OUR CITY, ON OUR CITIZENS AS A WHOLE. SO WHERE DO YOU DRAW THE LINE? WHY DO WE GOING TO EXEMPT OR NOT SAY WE'RE NOT? YOU'RE NOT. YOU CAN'T WE'RE GOING TO WAIVE YOUR SEWERAGE FEE. WE'RE GOING TO WAIVE YOUR WATER BILL. I MEAN, I GET IT. MY HEART GOES OUT TO TO THE CHURCH COMMUNITY. I'M A BIG, YOU KNOW. ON IT OF OF CHURCH ACTIVITIES SUPPORTED BY AS MUCH AS I CAN IN ANY WHICH WAY POSSIBLE. BUT I FEEL AS IF THE CHURCH THIS COMMUNITY SHOULD BE CONTRIBUTING TOWARDS. UTILITY THAT UTILITY SERVICES THAT THEY'RE GETTING, EXCEPT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, STORMWATER, IT SHOULD BE APPROPRIATELY ASSESSED TO GET THE PROPER CREDIT AS THEY DESERVE TO. TO THE EFFORT TO TRY TO MITIGATE. BUT I, I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT IT AS IF IT'S NOT A UTILITY BILL. THAT'S THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT IS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. AND DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX. I DON'T. I DON'T BELIEVE YOU'RE AT MY. OR FLORIDA LEAGUE CITIES. THEY HOST WORKSHOPS. THE FIRST THEY HAVE THE INSTITUTE OF ELECTED MUNICIPAL OFFICIALS. ONE INSTITUTE, ELECTED MUNICIPAL OFFICIALS, TWO, THREE AND FOUR. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IN THE FIRST ONE I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE FROM COUNCIL NOBODY ELSE FROM COUNCIL WAS AT THE ONE I WAS AT THAT I TRAVELED TO. BUT ONE THING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP AND I ASKED FOR CLARIFICATION ON IT, WHICH IS WHY I CHANGED MY STANCE, BECAUSE ORIGINALLY WHEN I GOT ON COUNCIL IN 2018 AND THIS WAS BROUGHT UP, I WAS ON THE SIDE OF CONTINUING THE EXEMPTION. BUT AFTER FURTHER DISCUSSIONS WITH THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES, THEY WERE SAYING THIS IS A FEE JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE. LIKE YOU SAID. DEPUTY MAYOR. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE TALKING WE TALKED EARLIER ABOUT THE OPTICS. WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS, HEY, RESIDENTS, YOU PAY AND CARRY THE LOAD FOR EVERYBODY ELSE AND THEY FOR IF YOU HAVE AND I ENCOURAGE YOU TO SIGN UP FOR THAT. SIGN UP FOR THAT. SO THAT WAY YOU CAN HEAR WHAT I HEARD BECAUSE IT'S A IT'S A SERVICE FEE. IT'S A SERVICE FEE FOR WHAT THEY'RE WHAT THEY'RE UTILIZING AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING. JUST LIKE WE ALL UP HERE HAVE TO PAY THAT SAME FEE AND EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE HAS TO PAY THAT SAME FEE. SO. SO BEFORE 2018, I REMEMBER COUNCILMAN BAILEY WAS TRYING TO CONVINCE THE REST OF COUNCIL LIKE, NO, THIS NEEDS TO BE APPROVED. AND IT WASN'T UNTIL THE FOLLOWING YEAR WHEN I HAD WENT TO THAT WORKSHOP THAT I WAS LIKE, OKAY, I SEE WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT. AND THAT'S WHEN ME AND HIM WERE THE TWO VOTES TO. NOT EXEMPT AND THE OTHER THREE WERE NOT. SO IT WAS THROUGH WITH THAT EDUCATION THAT I LEARNED OTHERWISE. SO THAT'S WHY I MADE THE MOTION TO SUPPORT THIS, BECAUSE IT IS A SERVICE AND WE'RE GOING TO BE PASSING IT ON TO SOMEBODY ELSE TO PAY. SO. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. SO RIGHT NOW I GOT HIM. OH, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT. LAST QUESTION, BECAUSE I WAS CONFUSED ON WHAT COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO WAS WAS SPEAKING ON. HE MENTIONED THE AREA, SO. YES, SIR. SORRY. EVERYONE IS TALKING ABOUT THE INSTITUTIONAL THING, BUT THERE'S ALSO THIS. THIS RESOLUTION MIGHT BE STACKED. SO STANDBY. I'M LOOKING TO THE MBS FOR MAP. EXPANDED STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AREA MAP AND EVERYTHING IN YELLOW IS GOING TO BE INCLUDED FOR THIS. IMPOSITION OF STORMWATER UTILITY FEE. FURTHER. UM, CITY MANAGER SAYS SHE CAN EXPLAIN IT. [04:10:02] OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. SO THE OTHER PART OF THIS PARTICULAR ACTION, WHETHER COUNCIL DECIDES TO BUILD THE INSTITUTIONS OR NOT, AND IF YOU DO AS A SIDE NOTE, BEFORE I JUMP TO THE BOUNDARIES, IF YOU DO DECIDE NOT TO BILL THE INSTITUTIONALIZE, THE VALUE OF THAT HAS TO BE COVERED BY GENERAL FUND AS IT HAS HISTORICALLY, SO THAT THAT AMOUNT WOULD BE ABOUT 187,000 TO GENERAL FUND. WE'D PULL OUT OF FUND BALANCE TO COVER. BUT GOING BACK TO THE BOUNDARIES. SO PART OF THESE STUDIES, PART OF WHAT THE CONSULTANT DID FOR US WAS THEY LOOKED AT THE CURRENT CITY BOUNDARY AND WHO IS CONTRIBUTING IN SOME FASHION POTENTIALLY TO THE CITY STORMWATER SYSTEM. AND WHEN THEY DID THAT, THEY FOUND A NUMBER OF PARCELS THAT HAD NOT BEEN BILLED BUT ARE PART OF OUR GEOGRAPHIC AREA THAT HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE SYSTEM. DOESN'T MEAN THEY CAN'T APPLY FOR MITIGATION CREDIT AND THEN BE FOUND TO HAVE TAKEN CARE OF IT ALL ON THEIR PARCELS. BUT TO TO DO OUR STORMWATER BOUNDARY THE RIGHT WAY, WE HAVE TO PROPERLY BILL EVERYONE WHO'S INCLUDED. SO THAT'S WHY THOSE PARCELS WERE REALLY A DISCOVERY BY THE NEWER RATE CONSULTANT LOOKING AT THE WHOLE PICTURE OF THE CITY. AND THEY FOUND THESE PARCELS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN BILLED BECAUSE THEY'RE PART OF THE CITY'S PROPERTY, THEY'RE PART OF OUR BOUNDARIES AND THEY DO HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE THE SYSTEM THAT WE PAY TO MANAGE AND MAINTAIN. SO I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND COUNCIL LOOK AT THAT AND CONSIDER APPROVING THAT PART, BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE GET, I THINK, INTO A PLACE OF SOME CONCERNS OF FURTHER INEQUITIES IN BILLING SOME PARCELS, BUT NOT OTHERS ONCE THE CONSULTANT HAS POINTED THOSE OUT TO US. IF I MAY, MAYOR, GO AHEAD. WHEN WHEN A DEVELOPER AGREEMENT HAPPENS, ARE THEY TAKING CARE OF THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT DURING THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT SAID PROPERTY AS AN EXAMPLE, CYPRESS BAY WEST. I WELL, I CAN CERTAINLY HAVE NATALIE EXPAND ON THIS. BUT BEFORE I DO, I'LL JUST TELL YOU SORT OF BIG PICTURE. ANY DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO GO THROUGH SITE SITE PLAN REVIEW. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET LIKE ST JOHN'S RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT PERMITS AND OTHER TYPES OF PERMITS, AND THEY GO THROUGH A FULL REVIEW OF WHAT THEIR STORMWATER SYSTEM WILL DO. AND OUR OUR STAFF REVIEWS THAT. BUT AS PART OF THAT, THEY'RE STILL GOING TO BE A CALCULATION FOR ULTIMATELY THEIR STORMWATER FEE AS PART OF OUR PROGRAM BECAUSE THE WATER ULTIMATELY LEAVES THEIR SITE IN DIFFERENT WAYS AT DIFFERENT TIMES AND WHEN IT GOES OUT, IT'S GOING INTO OUR SYSTEM THAT WE TYPICALLY ARE MAINTAINING AND NATALIE CAN PROBABLY ADD MORE TO THAT SPECIFICALLY. YOU DESIRE. YES. COME ON DOWN. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW SPECIFICS ABOUT CYPRUS. YOU SAID CYBERSPACE. YES, SIR. WE COULD BEGIN THERE. YEAH. LEAST LABOR AND GINGER. UH, PUBLIC WORKS. COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO, THERE'S THE EQUITY ISSUE. BUT WHAT YOU WANT IS SOMETHING MORE TECHNICAL, SO. WITHIN THE PAST FIVE YEARS, WE'VE HAD AN EXPANSION OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THERE'S A SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY. THIS CITY ALSO MAINTAINS MA LOMA BOULEVARD THAT SERVES AS THE SOLE ACCESS FOR THE ENTIRE WATERSTONE POD, AND THAT WILL INCLUDE CYPRESS BAY WEST. AND WHEN MAR LOMA BOULEVARD IS CONSTRUCTED, THE CITY WILL IN PERPETUITY, OPERATE AND MAINTAIN MA LOMA AS WELL. AND THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL COST OVER MANY, MANY YEARS THAT THE ONLY WAY THAT IT WILL BE COVERED IS THROUGH THROUGH THE UTILITY FEES. CYBERSPACE. WEST AT THIS TIME DIST AT THIS TIME DISCHARGES SOUTH AND THEN EAST TO BABCOCK STREET DITCHES AND THEN SOUTH AGAIN TO SEATTLE CANAL AND THE CITY RECENTLY GAINED. OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE AND OWNERSHIP OF BABCOCK STREET AND THOSE DITCHES WHICH MEANS WE HAVE AN EXPANDED OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY SO ANY CONTRIBUTING SITES PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE WHETHER IT'S IT'S A QUARTER ACRE UNDEVELOPED OR, YOU KNOW, 100 ACRES UNDEVELOPED FOR A PERVIOUS SITE UNDEVELOPED. [04:15:04] IT THE EFFECTIVE IMPERVIOUS AREA THAT IS CHARGED IS 15% OF THE WHOLE. SO IF THEY OWN 100 ACRES, THEY WILL BE PAYING FOR 15 ACRES. AND THAT'S DIVIDED BY A CERTAIN SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT COMES UP WITH THE AIR USE. BUT IT'S 15%. AND WE ARE CONTRIBUTING. AS I SAID, THE CITY HAS EXPANDED ITS INFRASTRUCTURE. WE ALSO HAVE WILLOWBROOK CENTER LANE ROAD ALL THE WAY DOWN. THESE ARE OUR COSTS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T HAD A FULL NEEDS ASSESSMENT IN A VERY LONG TIME. STANTEC WILL BE PERFORMING SUCH ASSESSMENT AND WE ALSO HAVEN'T RAISED THE RATE FOR VERY LONG TIME. AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE WENT THE OTHER WAY. SO ALL OF THESE AREAS CONTRIBUTE TO THE CITY SYSTEM AND TO THE TO THE COST OF MAINTENANCE OF THE CITY SYSTEM. YOU BROUGHT YOU BROUGHT UP TWO THINGS. I WANT THAT I WANT TO DISCUSS IT FOR. ONE BEING WILLOWBROOK AS A CITY OWNED WILLOWBROOK OR THE CITY MAINTAINED WILLOWBROOK. AS FAR AS I'M AWARE. YEAH. WILLOWBROOK IS A CITY MAINTAINED ROAD. I MAY BE MISSPEAKING, BUT I THINK WILLOWBROOK IS A CITY MAINTAINED ROAD. HOW ABOUT SATELLITE CANAL? STILL, A CANAL BELONGS TO BREVARD COUNTY. RECENTLY, WE ALSO TOOK OWNERSHIP OF TWO VERY LARGE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PONDS KNOWN AS FIRE STATION, POND AND COUNTY POND, WHICH IS ACTUALLY OUTSIDE OF THE CITY. SO THOSE WILL PLACE AN ADDITIONAL FINANCIAL BURDEN FOR FOR THAT MAINTENANCE. NOW, SATELLITE CANAL IS NOT A CITY CANAL. WE DON'T MAINTAIN IT, BUT WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT ENTERS THE CANAL. IT IS CONSIDERED PART OF OUR MBS FOR ON ON OUR PERMIT. WE ARE A CONTRIBUTOR TO THE SAINT SEBASTIAN RIVER, WHICH MEANS WE ARE EXPECTED TO PROVIDE WATER QUALITY TREATMENT FOR ANYTHING GOING INTO SATELLITE CANAL, THOUGH WE DON'T MAINTAIN IT. SO IT'S HARD WITH STORM WATER AS IT IS WITH WITH TRAFFIC. THERE ARE NO BOUNDARIES. THE COSTS INCURRED MAY NOT BE FOR MAINTENANCE SPECIFICALLY OF SATELLITE CANAL, BUT WE WILL HAVE TO IMPROVE AND EXPAND OUR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM VERY SOON FOR THE PARKWAY IF WE EVER INTEND TO EXPAND THE PARKWAY AND THE SYSTEM'S ALREADY OVERBURDENED WITH WITH EXISTING. BUT THANK YOU. AND I JUST WANT TO FOLLOW UP WITH THIS ONE LAST QUESTION AND I'LL LET YOU GO. WHEN A DEVELOPER BUILDS A DEVELOPMENT WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PUTTING THE STORMWATER CULVERT PIPES IN THAT DEVELOPMENT? THE DEVELOPER IS OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNSEL, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT LIST, HAVE YOU GUYS LOOKED AT THAT LIST? I SEE HOLMES REGIONAL ON THERE. UM. AND FLORIDA TECH. MOSTLY THE REST OF THE CHURCHES. IN SCHOOLS. SO THIS DOES AFFECT THE FAITH BASED COMMUNITY. MAYOR, IF I MAY CARRY ON. I'M JUST. YEAH, THAT OBSERVATION. HOW MANY ARE LISTED ON HERE? THE STAFF KNOWS THAT. YEAH, A TOTAL. I. THEY'RE NOT NUMBERED. SO NOTHING UNNUMBERED? YEAH. I CAN'T TELL YOU. THERE'S TWO FULL PAGES. BUT. SO I WAS SURPRISED TO SEE FLOYD. I'M SORRY, MAYOR. THERE ARE 97 INSTITUTIONAL PARCELS ON THE LIST THAT YOU HAVE. 72 OF THEM ARE UNDER THE CATEGORY OF FAITH BASED RELIGIOUS EXEMPTIONS. AND NOTICES WERE SENT TO ALL OF THEM, CORRECT? NOTICES WERE SENT TO ALL OF THEM. WE EVEN GOT A FEW MINOR ONES RETURNED, CHURCHES THAT MOVED AND WE DID FOLLOW UP WITH THEM. ALSO, THE EXPANDED STORM WATER MANAGEMENT AREA PARCELS. THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS WERE ALSO NOTICED AS WELL. OKAY. SO SO EVERYBODY WAS AWARE OF THIS MEETING OF WHAT'S GOING TO OCCUR OF THE DIRECTION THAT COUNCIL UNANIMOUSLY, UNANIMOUSLY GAVE [04:20:10] STAFF TO WORK ON THIS DILIGENTLY OVER THE PAST YEAR. AND IT WAS UNANIMOUS BECAUSE I REMEMBER IT WAS UNANIMOUS. AND HERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW. SO THAT'S THAT'S REALLY WHERE I'M AT. THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANTED TO CLARIFY WITH MISS SHERMAN IN REGARDS TO PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND PRIVATE SCHOOLS WAS BROUGHT UP EARLIER. I MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE RESTROOM. IF YOU CAN CLARIFY ON WHY WE CAN'T. IT'S NOT THAT THE CITY DOESN'T WANT TO, IF YOU CAN SPEAK ON THAT. WELL, I'LL JUST TELL YOU WHAT I UNDERSTAND THEN. PATRICIA MIGHT BE MORE OF THE LEGAL EXPERT ON THAT. YES. OKAY. THAT WORKS. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT. PUBLIC SCHOOLS CAN'T BE BUILT. BUT PRIVATE SCHOOLS, CHARTER SCHOOLS, THEY CAN ALL BE INCLUDED IN THE STORMWATER FEE. THE MAIN ISSUE, BECAUSE I KNOW, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW. AS THE PRIOR SPEAKER SAID, AS FAR AS CHARTER SCHOOLS OPERATING AS PUBLIC SCHOOL IS NOT SO MUCH THE PUBLIC PRIVATE. THAT REALLY AFFECTS WHY WE ARE NOT CHARGING SOME. IT'S ABOUT SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY. SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY ISN'T GIVEN TO CHARTER SCHOOLS. AND SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IF AN AGENCY, WHETHER IT'S A SCHOOL OR ANY OTHER THAT HAS THAT GOVERNMENTAL. CATEGORY, THEY DECIDE, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M NOT GOING TO PAY. THERE IS NOTHING WE CAN DO. IF THERE'S NOT A CONTRACT, WHICH YOU DON'T, YOU CONTRACT FOR WATER, YOU CONTRACT FOR SEWER, YOU DON'T CONTRACT FOR STORMWATER. IF THERE'S NOT A CONTRACT AND THERE'S NOT A WAIVER OF SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY, YOU CAN'T SUE THEM. SO SINCE THEY KNOW AND THERE'S QUITE A FEW CASES THAT IF THEY DON'T PAY, WE CAN'T MAKE THEM. THEY DON'T PAY AND WE ACTUALLY CAN'T MAKE THEM. I MEAN, THE ONLY GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY THAT HAS WAIVED SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY FOR STORM WATER IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. SO FOR FEDERAL PROPERTIES, BECAUSE THEY HAVE WAIVED IT AND UNDER THE CASE LAW, WE CAN CHARGE THEM. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD CHARGE, YOU KNOW, THE REST OF THE SCHOOLS. AND. WHICH WE DID. AND IT JUST SOMETHING THAT SITS ON OUR BOOKS BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT THEY ARE THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO TO MAKE THEM PAY. THEY'RE AWARE OF THE CASE LAW. YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WHEN WE WERE, YOU KNOW, I GET CALLS FROM THE, YOU KNOW, THERE. ATTORNEY. LET ME MAKING SURE THAT I WAS AWARE OF THE VARIOUS CASES THAT SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T COMPEL PAYMENT. SO THAT'S WHY WE STOP CHARGING, BECAUSE IT'S JUST SOMETHING ON THE BOOKS THAT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S MONEY THAT THE CITY CAN HAVE, BUT WE'RE NEVER GOING TO BE ABLE TO COLLECT THEM BECAUSE WE HAVE NO LEGAL RECOURSE AGAINST THEM. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL YOU KNOW. AND COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, I KNOW YOU GOT EMOTION ON THIS AND IT'S BEEN SECOND DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX. AND YOU'RE RIGHT, WE WE DID WE DID GIVE THIS DIRECTION. BUT WHEN YOU START THINKING OF ALL THESE CHURCHES AND I'M LOOKING AT A LOT OF THESE CHURCHES ARE NOT LARGE CHURCHES. RIGHT. AND I SEE I SEE THE IMPACT THAT THEY DO HAVE ON OUR COMMUNITY. AND SO SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT IS THE IMPACT OF WILL THIS ADVERSELY AFFECT OUR COMMUNITY? IF. IF IF CHURCHES DO CLOSE DOWN. RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHY I'M I'M I'M LIKE I'M STRUGGLING WITH THIS AND I'M BEING TRANSPARENT ON THIS, GUYS, WHEN I SEE THE MAJORITY OF THESE. THESE CHURCHES AND. AND THEN YOU MIX UP THESE CHURCHES WITH. HOLMES REGIONAL. RIGHT. WITH THE HEALTH CARE. I MEAN I'M LIKE, HOW ARE THEY EXEMPT? RIGHT. BECAUSE THEY ARE FOR PROFIT, AREN'T THEY? UM, OR THEY'RE NON-FOR-PROFIT NONPROFIT. YEAH, BUT THEY STILL MAKE A PROFIT, RIGHT? I MEAN, I THINK IT'S TWO DIFFERENT CATEGORIES, RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHY I'M STRUGGLING WITH THIS. I SEE WHAT THE CHURCHES ARE DOING, BUT THAT'S WHY I'M STRUGGLING WITH THIS. I REALLY AM. GO AHEAD, SIR. I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, I THINK WE'RE LOOKING TOO MUCH INTO IT. I MEAN, AS MUCH AS WE WANT TO SYMPATHIZE WITH CHURCHES. I TRULY BELIEVE GOD WILL PROVIDE. I DON'T BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, THIS ACTION TONIGHT. [04:25:04] I THINK IT'S DOING THE RIGHT THING. IT'S AS IF YOU LOOKED AT A CITIZEN. YOU KNOW, STRUGGLING WITH WITH WITH THE INCOME. YOU SAID, OKAY, WELL, SINCE, YOU KNOW, YOU STRUGGLING WITH YOUR INCOME, FORGET ABOUT PAYING YOUR WATER BILL. DON'T PAY YOUR SEWER BILL. IT'S TO ME, IT'S THE SAME. LET'S LOOK AT IT FOR WHAT IT IS. IT'S A UTILITY BILL THAT WE ALL GOT TO PAY. CERTAINLY GOD WILL PROVIDE. I GUARANTEE YOU THE CHURCH IS NOT GOING TO CLOSE THEIR DOOR. THAT'S HOW WE SHOULD TREAT IT, TO MAKE IT EQUAL FOR FOR. ALL RIGHT. AND THAT WE JUST WE'RE NOT DOING THE RIGHT THING OR NOT SUPPORTING THIS, THAT THAT'S TO ME. THAT'S SO WE SHOULD VIEW IT. IT'S A UTILITY BILL. WE ALL SHOULD CONTRIBUTE TOWARDS IT. TRULY, THAT'S WHAT IT IS, AS SIMPLE AS THAT. OKAY. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? OKAY. I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCIL COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX. I'M CALLING THE QUESTION ALL IN FAVOR. SIGNIFY BY SAYING I. I ALL OPPOSED. SIGNIFY BY SAYING NAY, NAY, NAY. A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. COUNCILMAN FOSTER. HI. COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO. HEY. MAYOR MEDINA. HEY. DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX. HI. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. THIS IS THREE, TWO, TWO. WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER TWO. MAYOR, IF. IF STAFF CAN POSSIBLY DIRECT MS.. SHAVER TO GIVE HER CAR TO. OH, YES, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. MISS SHAVER IS AVAILABLE IF YOU WANTED TO, TO MEET WITH HER AND GET INFORMATION ON ON THOSE DISCOUNTS THAT WERE DISCUSSED. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN. JOHNSON. I STILL GOTTA GET USED TO CASE STUDY. WE'RE NOW ON ITEM TWO. YEAH. LET'S GIVE IT A FEW MINUTES. SO WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER TWO. YEAH. MS.. MADAM SHERMAN. THANK YOU, SIR. SO THIS ITEM IS THE CONSIDERATION OF ADJUSTING THE GENERAL EMPLOYEES PAY PLAN AS A RESULT OF EVERGREEN SOLUTIONS CLASSIFICATION AND COMPENSATION STUDY. I'M JUST GOING TO PROVIDE A BRIEF LITTLE BIT OF OVERVIEW, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY TURN IT OVER TO OUR CONSULTANT, OUR PROJECT MANAGER, WHO'S ATTENDING VIRTUALLY HERE, AS YOU ALL CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN. BUT JUST TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY, IN PRIOR FISCAL YEAR AND FISCAL YEAR 2022, COUNCIL APPROVED FUNDING FOR A CITYWIDE SALARY STUDY. SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE HAD NOT DONE FOR THE ENTIRE CITY FOR DECADES. WE HAD STAFF GO BACK AND LOOK AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHEN WE LAST DID A FULL CITYWIDE SALARY STUDY. AS FAR AS WE CAN TELL, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN SOMETHING IN THE LATE EIGHTIES OR NINETIES. SO WHAT, YOU HAVE 30 YEARS? YEAH. SO WHAT YOU HAVE FOR DECADES IS SITUATIONS WHERE PAY RANGES AND PAY SCALES WERE ADJUSTED PERIODICALLY FOR SPECIFIC REASONS. FOR EXAMPLE, THE RESULTS OF UNION NEGOTIATIONS OR PERIODIC TIMES WHEN LEADERSHIP MAY HAVE DECIDED TO INCREASE THE PAY RANGES OUTSIDE OF CONTRACTS. YOU ALSO HAD SOME EMPLOYEES WHO MAY HAVE RECEIVED COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENTS OVER TIME OR CHANGES BACK MANY, MANY YEARS WHEN WE HAD MERIT INCREASES. BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS OUR PACE, OUR PAY SCALES AS A WHOLE IN THE CITY HAD NOT BEEN FULLY REVIEWED TO THE DEGREE THAT EVERGREEN DID FOR US. AND SO I'LL LET HER KIND OF GO THROUGH A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF WHAT THEY DID. SO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT BROUGHT US HERE. AND THEN I'LL TALK ABOUT THE THE FISCAL IMPACT AND THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE'RE MAKING HERE TONIGHT. SO IT'S MY PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE WITH EVERGREEN SOLUTIONS, STACY WITCHELL, WHO IS OUR PROJECT MANAGER. STACY, JUST CHECK AND YOU CAN HEAR US. OKAY. YEAH, IT MAKES YOU GUYS. I MEAN, YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU. ALL RIGHT, WELL, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO YOU. AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, I'VE GIVEN COUNSEL HARD COPIES OF YOUR PRESENTATION. HOPEFULLY THE SCREEN SHARE WILL WORK AS WELL. I THINK I'LL SHARE SOME THINGS HERE JUST TO THE RESCUE PROJECT OUT THERE. I JUST WANT TO SAY HOW I SO YOU CAN SEE THE FACE BEHIND THE PRESENTATIONS OR JUST TALKING VOICE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. COUNCILORS HAVE BEEN HERE TODAY. I LOOK FORWARD TO BEING BACK TO HELP BRING THIS PROJECT TO A CLOSE AND HELP YOU MOVE FORWARD AND MAKE BIG PLANS SO THAT I WILL SHARE YOUR SCREENS. AND WE WILL. [04:30:02] THAT'S. SO JUST AS I CAN'T SEE FACES. CAN YOU SEE THAT? I SEE THAT. OKAY. WE CAN'T SEE IT YET, STACEY. HER. OR IN YOUR PRESENTATION OF YOUR CONVERSATION CLASSIFICATIONS BASED ON. STACIE, I'M SORRY, I JUST WANT TO INTERRUPT YOU. I'M SORRY. I WASN'T CLEAR. WE CANNOT SEE THE PRESENTATION YET. CAN YOU TRY AGAIN TO SHARE? TRY. MAYBE TRY AGAIN. THE SHARING. YEAH. I'M REALLY DISAPPOINTED. THIS ISN'T AN IN PERSON. PRESENTATION. I REALLY AM. I FEEL THAT THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN A THIS IS NOTEWORTHY FOR OUR CITY. THIS IS A HUGE STEP. AND AND I WOULD HAVE PREFERRED FOR HER TO TO BE HERE PRESENT. WELL SO JUST SO YOU KNOW EVERGREEN IS REALLY A. THEY ARE SUCCUMBING TO THE TIMING THAT WE WERE UNDER AS A CITY. SO THEY WERE PREPARED TO COME IN PERSON EARLIER, BUT WE WERE NOT PREPARED TO IMPLEMENT BECAUSE WE HAD TO CHANGE OUR OUR IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGY. AND SO NOW WE'RE DOWN TO KIND OF SOME LAST MINUTE TIMING BECAUSE. UNION NEGOTIATIONS AND CONTRACTS THAT HAVE TO BE EXECUTED BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR. SO I APOLOGIZE. THAT'S ON ME. THEY WERE READY TO COME EARLIER, BUT WE WERE NOT READY FOR THEM. SO VIRTUAL IS WHAT WE HAD BECAUSE OF THEIR OTHER COMMITMENTS TO OTHER CLIENTS. AND I HONOR YOU, MA'AM, IN THAT REGARD. BUT THEY SHOULD BE HERE WHEN WE'RE READY, ARE THEY NOT? DID WE NOT MAKE A PAYMENT TO THEM FOR THIS STUDY? I'M SURE WE'RE WE PAID APPROPRIATELY. OKAY. I'M SURE. SO THAT'S I'M NOT SAYING I HONORED YOUR HARD WORK, MA'AM. AND THERE'S SO MANY OTHER THINGS THAT GOES ON IN OUR CITY. SO FOR YOU TO FALL ON THE SWORD THERE, I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT I'M JUST SAYING, I. I WOULD HAVE EXPECTED THEM TO BE HERE. THAT'S ALL. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU, SIR. STACY, WE CAN'T SEE YOUR SCREEN, SO AS A BACKUP, WE CAN JUST PULL UP THE POWERPOINT AND WE'LL HAVE ONE OF OUR TEAM GO THROUGH IT AS YOU SPEAK. AND PRINCE HARRY HAS BEEN TRYING AGAIN. DO YOU WANT TO JUST TRY THE PROJECT THERE INSTEAD? IF YOU'D LIKE TO TRY ONCE MORE, GO AHEAD. BUT IF NOT, WE WILL PULL IT UP ON OUR OWN. IT NOW. YES, WE'VE GOT IT. IT IS A PRESENTATION OF A FORCE OF SURPRISE FOR TIME. SO PROJECTING. YES. THIS PRESENTATION WILL PRESENT WITH AN OVERVIEW OF THE CLASS INCOME STUDY THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON WITH YOUR CITY LEADERS AND YOUR PROJECT TEAM. POTENTIAL STUDY GOALS THE PROJECT FACES AND THEN RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD BASED ON ALL THE DATA, THE ANALYSIS THAT WE DID. FOR STUDY GOALS OR TO REVIEW WHAT YOU HAVE INTERNALLY, WHAT YOUR STRUCTURE IS FOR CURRENTLY, WHAT ARE THE STRENGTHS AND THE WEAKNESSES OF IT, AND ENSURE THAT YOU ARE ACTUALLY MOVING FORWARD. SO LOOK AT CERVICAL CANCER PEERS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE AT AN EARLY AND COMPETITIVE PLACE IN RELATION TO THOSE PEERS. AND THEN ULTIMATELY TO RAISE FOUNDATIONS SO THAT YOU'VE GOT A CLASSROOM NEEDS AND IT'S ALSO A FLEXIBLE. WE LOST THE IMAM. HOW CAN YOU TRACK ME? CAN YOU COPY ME? WE LOST YOU. START. YEAH, I CAN HEAR YOU. SO SINCE NOT EVERYBODY HAS BEEN PART OF A CLASS AND CAN'T STUDY BEFORE, I THOUGHT WE COULD JUST WALK THROUGH THE PHASES OF WHAT THESE PROJECTS ENTAIL. THEY ARE MULTI MULTI-MONTH PROJECTS, THEY'RE MULTI MEETINGS. THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO THEM. SO WE ALWAYS START WHEN WE START A PROJECT. IF WE'RE STARTING OFF WITH THOSE INITIAL MEETINGS, MEETING WITH YOUR PROJECT TEAM, IDENTIFYING THE NEEDS AREAS OF CONCERN, COLLECTING THAT DATA SO WE CAN DO AN ASSESSMENT OF CURRENT CONDITIONS. MOVING ON, WE MEET WITH YOUR STAFF INTERNALLY. WE WE ADMINISTER SURVEYS TO COLLECT INFORMATION FROM YOUR STAFF ABOUT THINGS THEY FEEL THAT ARE WORKING AREAS. THEY HAVE SOME SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO DO THINGS A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY. WE COLLECT INFORMATION FROM THEM, OUR JOB ASSESSMENT TOOL THAT LETS THEM PROVIDE US INFORMATION ABOUT THEIR SPECIFIC POSITIONS AND WHAT THEY DO AND THE ROLE THAT THEY [04:35:02] SERVE IN THE CITY. WE COLLECT ALL OF THAT DATA BACK IN FROM THE SURVEYS, FROM THE JOB ASSESSMENT TOOLS. WE'LL USE THAT INFORMATION TO BUILD A HIERARCHY OF ALL OF YOUR CLASSIFICATIONS THAT WE THEN WORK WITH YOUR PROJECT TEAM ON TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THAT HIERARCHY RIGHT AND LOOK AT THE CAREER PATHS, LOOK AT THE LEVELS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO YOUR EMPLOYEES AND TALK AND FIND OUT DO WE HAVE THE ROOM THAT YOU GUYS NEED MOVING FORWARD AS YOU CONTINUE TO GROW? MOVING ON TO THE EXTERNAL PART OF THE PROJECT, THIS IS WHERE WE IDENTIFY THE PEER ORGANIZATIONS. WE IDENTIFY THE CLASSIFICATIONS TO USE TO TAKE TO MARKET AND COLLECT THAT MARKET DATA AND THEN PREPARE A MARKET POSITION REPORT TO IDENTIFY WHERE ARE YOU IN RELATION TO THE MARKET. THEN ULTIMATELY BRING THE INTERNAL DATA TOGETHER, THE EXTERNAL DATA, AND THEN DO THAT COMPENSATION ANALYSIS, DEVELOP REGRESSION FORMULAS THAT LET US IDENTIFY WHERE YOUR WHAT KIND OF PACE SYSTEM YOU NEED TO FIT YOUR NEEDS. WHERE SHOULD YOUR CLASSIFICATIONS BE ASSIGNED TO THE DIFFERENT PAY GRADES SO THAT YOU CAN THEN BUILD A COST ESTIMATES FOR BUDGET PURPOSES? AND THEN ULTIMATELY, STEP SIX IS FINALIZING THAT PROJECT, PROVIDING YOU THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, REVIEWING YOUR JOB DESCRIPTIONS WITH YOU, PROVIDING TRAINING TO YOUR HR STAFF SO YOU CAN FULLY IMPLEMENT AND THEN MANAGE THIS MOVING FORWARD. SO GIVEN THAT KIND OF OVERVIEW OF THE PROCESS, LET'S TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE FINDINGS. SO WE COLLECTED YOUR DATA AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROJECT. WE CONDUCT WHAT WE CALL OUR ASSESSMENT OF CURRENT CONDITIONS. WHAT WE FOUND AT THAT POINT IN TIME AND THAT SNAPSHOT OF DATA, YOU HAD ONE, YOU HAD 824 EMPLOYEES, 226 CLASSIFICATIONS THAT YOU WERE USING. YOU HAVE FIVE PAY PLANS. THEIR STRUCTURE GENERALLY FOLLOWED BEST PRACTICES AS FAR AS THE WAY THAT THEY WERE BUILT. BUT WHAT WE DID FIND IS YOU HAD MULTIPLE PAY GRADES THROUGHOUT THAT YOU WERE NOT UTILIZING. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, I THINK YOUR GENERAL PLAN HAD, GOSH, WELL OVER 50 TO 60 DIFFERENT PAY GRADES THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED AND CREATED OVER THE YEARS BUT WERE NO LONGER BEING USED. YOU HAD 66% OF YOUR EMPLOYEES WERE COMPENSATED BELOW THE MIDPOINT OF THEIR RANGES. AND WE FOUND THAT YOUR AVERAGE TENURE OF EMPLOYEES IS NINE YEARS, WHICH CONNECTS BACK WELL TO THAT THE THE MIDPOINT RIGHT. IF YOU 15 YEARS OF TENURE IS WHERE YOU EXPECT TO SEE PEOPLE ADD AN ABOVE THAT MIDPOINT. WE SAW MINIMAL COMPRESSION BETWEEN YOUR SALARIES BASED ON TENURE. THE ONLY AREA WE SAW SOME COMPRESSION WAS WITH A FEW RECENT NEW HIRES. BUT OVERALL, YOU DIDN'T HAVE THAT MUCH COMPRESSION. AND COMPRESSION IS SALARIES OF PEOPLE IN THE SAME CLASSIFICATION DIFFERENTLY AT THE TIME BEING PAID VERY SIMILARLY OR COMPRESSION BETWEEN SUPERVISORS AND THEN THEIR EMPLOYEES. SO FOR THE OUTREACH COMPONENT, A THANK YOU TO YOUR STAFF. WE HAD A GREAT, GREAT RESPONSE RATE WITH OUR SURVEY AND WITH THE JOB ASSESSMENT TOOL RESPONSE. OVER 50% OF YOUR STAFF RESPONDED. A LOT OF POSITIVE FEEDBACK. YOUR STAFF REALLY LIKE WORKING IN THEIR COMMUNITY. THEY APPRECIATE THE BENEFITS AND THE RETIREMENT THE CITY PROVIDES. THEY VALUE THE COWORKER RELATIONSHIPS, THOSE PEER RELATIONSHIPS, THE AREAS OF CONCERN THAT THEY BROUGHT UP. THEY A LOT OF THEM DID FEEL THEIR SALARIES WERE NOT COMPETITIVE WITH PEER ORGANIZATIONS. THEY FELT LIKE THEY HAD SLIPPED. AND THAT THAT LEVEL OF COMPETITIVENESS OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, JOB DESCRIPTIONS NEEDED UPDATING. THEY DID NOT REALLY REFLECT WHAT THE JOBS ARE NOW. THOSE THINGS HAVE CHANGED AND EVOLVED OVER TIME. NEEDED TO BE UPDATED. AND THEN THERE WAS A CONCERN, KIND OF LIKE WHAT I JUST MENTIONED, THAT YOU SOME OF THE NEWER EMPLOYEES, THE CONCERN WAS THEY WERE BRIGHT AND BROUGHT IN AT SALARIES VERY SIMILAR TO YOUR STAFF THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS. SO YOU'RE NOT. NO, NO ROOM IN BETWEEN THOSE. FOR YOUR CLASSIFICATION ANALYSIS. AGAIN, 60% OF YOUR EMPLOYEES RESPONDED TO THOSE JOB ASSESSMENTS. SO. SO THANK YOU. WE USE THE DATA THEY GAVE US TO CREATE A HIERARCHY OF ALL OF YOUR CLASSIFICATIONS. WE REVIEWED YOUR CAREER PATH, THE GROWTH OPPORTUNITIES THAT YOU HAD CURRENTLY, AND THEN ALSO TALKED ABOUT WHAT YOU NEEDED MOVING FORWARD. WE REVIEW CONSISTENCY IN TITLES, HOW TITLES ARE USED ACROSS THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS EQUITABLE USE OF THOSE TITLES, ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES. NOW, LOOKING AT THE OUTSIDE PIECE OF THIS FOR YOUR MARKET SALARY SURVEY, WE LAUNCHED THAT BACK IN APRIL. THERE WERE 17 PEERS THAT WE SELECTED TO BE SURVEYED. AND WHEN WE COLLECTED THE DATA AND BROUGHT IT INTO OUR MODELS, WE DID APPLY THE COST OF LIVING BECAUSE WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WERE EQUATING THE VALUE OF A DOLLAR FOR YOUR [04:40:01] VALUE OF A DOLLAR. SO SOME OF THESE THE PEER LOCATIONS HAVE COST OF LIVING INDEX SLIGHTLY HIGHER THAN YOURS, AND THEN SOME WERE LOWER. SO LIKE OCALA AND PORT SAINT LUCIE, THOSE LOWER THAN YOURS, WE DON'T WANT TO EQUATE IT TO THEIR DOLLAR BECAUSE IT WOULD BRING YOUR PRICES DOWN. WE SELECTED 60 CLASSIFICATIONS TO TAKE TO MARKET AND COLLECT THE SALARY DATA FROM THOSE 17 PEERS AND WE WERE ABLE TO COLLECT 574 GOOD DATA POINTS. AND WHAT WE FOUND AT THE MARKET AVERAGE AT THAT 50TH PERCENTILE. SO A TRUE JUST AVERAGE, WE FOUND OUT THAT YOU ARE JUST ABOUT 4% BELOW THE MARKET MINIMUMS OF YOUR SALARIES, ABOUT 8% BELOW THE MIDPOINT AND LITTLE MORE THAN 11% BELOW AT THE MAXIMUMS. RIGHT. NOW, BEFORE WE CAN GO DEVELOP YOUR SOLUTION FILES, WHAT WITH THE ADJUSTMENTS TO YOUR PAY PLANS. WE HAD A MEETING WITH YOUR STAFF TO TALK ABOUT COMPENSATION PHILOSOPHY, AND THIS IS WHERE WE TALK ABOUT WHAT IS THAT DESIRED MARKET POSITION? HOW COMPETITIVE DO YOU WANT TO BE WITH THOSE PEERS? WE TALK ABOUT PAY PRACTICES, PAY PLAN, DESIGN, AND NOW THAT CONVERSATION, AND YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE COMPETITIVE WITH MARKET AVERAGE. YOU WANT TO MEET THE NEEDS OF YOUR EMPLOYEES AND YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO RECRUIT AND RETAIN QUALITY STAFF FOR PAY PRACTICES. YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS EQUITABLE ACROSS THE PAY GRADES, ACROSS THE PAY PLANS, AND IT'S ALSO FLEXIBLE, AGAIN, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE. THIS CAN GROW WITH YOU OVERTIME PAY PLAN DESIGN, MAINTAIN THAT CURRENT APPROACH, OPEN RANGE FOR BLUE, WHITE AND GENERAL PLAN, AND THEN STEP PLAN FOR THE FIRE AND POLICE. SIDE NOTE THEY'RE ON FIRE AND POLICE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO LOOK AT THOSE AS EVEN WORK. WE'RE FINISHING UP THE DETAILS ON THOSE. WE WERE HAPPY TO COME BACK AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT LATER. LAST POINT THERE, ENSURE CONSISTENCY AND DESIGN. YOU WANT A PLAN THAT'S INTUITIVE, IT'S CONSISTENT, IT'S TRANSPARENT. PEOPLE KNOW WHERE THEY'RE AT AND WHAT TO EXPECT. AND FOR YOUR CLASSIFICATION TITLES YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW. IN GENERAL. YOU HAVE THE TITLES YOU NEED. WE DIDN'T MAKE TOO MANY CHANGES AS FAR AS THE TITLES OF THE POSITIONS. WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING MUCH THERE. WE DO HAVE TWO THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING FOR UPDATES FOR CONTEMPORARY TITLE USE FOR JOB DUTIES. AS FAR AS CREATING ADDITIONAL CAREER PATHS RIGHT NOW, DIDN'T IDENTIFY A PARTICULAR FIELD AREA CAREER PATH THAT NEEDED AN ADDITIONAL LEVEL 1 TO 3 JUNIOR SENIOR TYPE POSITION. BUT I DID BUILD ROOM INTO THE PLANS SO YOU CAN CREATE THEM AS YOU NEED THEM. SO NOW YOUR GENERAL PAY PLANS. SO, GENERAL, ALL YOUR NON BARGAINING STAFF, WE'RE GOING TO BRING THAT DOWN TO 30 PAY GRADES FROM WHAT YOU'RE HISTORICALLY HAD. I THINK THERE WAS A TOTAL OF 62. AND I SAID, LIKE I SAID, QUITE A FEW OF THOSE NOT IN USE. SO BRINGING DOWN THE 30 PAY GRADES, MUCH EASIER TO ADMINISTER AND MANAGE STILL GIVES YOU ROOM TO GROW. WE'RE GOING TO INCREASE YOUR RANGE SPREAD FROM RIGHT NOW YOU'RE RUNNING ABOUT AN AVERAGE OF 50%. WE'RE GOING TO INCREASE THAT TO 65% TO GIVE YOUR EMPLOYEES MORE ROOM TO GROW ACROSS THEIR PAY GRADES. MAINTAIN THAT OPEN RANGE SYSTEM. YOUR OLD MINIMUM FOR YOUR GENERAL PLAN WAS 2142 21,417. WE'RE GOING TO INCREASE THAT TO 35 360. THAT'S $17 AN HOUR. SO THAT BRINGS YOU ABOVE THE REQUIRED 15 THAT FLORIDA IS MOVING TO. AND IT'S ALSO MUCH MORE COMPETITIVE IN YOUR IN YOUR LOCATION. OR BLUE AND WHITE. WE'RE DOING VERY SIMILAR NINE PAY GRADES FOR BLUE, 11 FOR WHITE. SAME 65% RANGE SPREAD. WE'RE ALSO LOOKING HERE AT BRING THAT MINIMUM TO 35, 360 FOR BOTH OF THOSE. SO THE FOLKS WHO ARE LOOKING AT THIS, I KNOW THIS IS BREAKING THE POWERPOINT RULES. IT'S A BIG TABLE ON THE ON THE POWERPOINT SCREEN, BUT THIS IS THE PAY GRADE STRUCTURE. SO I KNOW IT'S HELPFUL TO SEE WHAT THIS COULD LOOK LIKE. SO G ONE, THAT'S YOUR ENTRY LEVEL POSITIONS ALL THE WAY DOWN THROUGH UPPER LEVEL LEADERSHIP. YOU'LL SEE THAT YOUR RANGE SPREAD FOR EACH ONE OF THEM IS 65%. THAT'S THE DISTANCE BETWEEN MINIMUM TO MAXIMUM, AND THEN YOUR GRADE PROGRESSION IS 5%. THAT'S THE DISTANCE MOVING FROM G ONE TO 2 TO 3 THROUGHOUT THAT PLAN. SO VERY CONSISTENT STRUCTURE. THERE'S ROOM IN HERE, LIKE I SAID, TO GROW EARLIER, EVEN THOUGH WE TOOK OUT SO MANY OF THOSE UNUSED ONES. AND THOUGH IT'S HELPFUL TO SEE EXAMPLES, IT'S HELPFUL FOR ME TO SEE EXAMPLES. SO I PULLED A COUPLE JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THESE MOVES COULD LOOK LIKE. YOUR CUSTOMER SERVICE CLERK, FOR EXAMPLE, THE CURRENT MINIMUM FOR THAT POSITION IS 27 623 LOOKING AT A RECOMMENDED MINIMUM WITH THAT $17 AN HOUR TO [04:45:09] 35 360 NOW. ADMINISTRATIVE SECRETARY. CURRENT MINIMUM IS 30,000. THE ADJUSTMENT WOULD BRING IT TO 37. FOR A MINIMUM OF COMMUNICATIONS OFFICERS. 35 FRIGGIN THAT WENT TO 40. CRIME ANALYSTS FROM 4D BRINGING IT UP TO A 45. SO THAT GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT KIND OF MOVES WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT AT THE CLASSIFICATION LEVEL. HERE'S YOUR YOUR BLUE PLAN. A LITTLE EASIER ON THE EYES FOR THIS ONE. SO THIS IS NINE PAY GRADES, 65% RANGE SPREAD AND THEN A 5% GRADE PROGRESSION. AND THEN WHITE. SO THIS IS THE WHITE PLAN, ONE THROUGH 11 FOR YOUR GRADES. AGAIN, STARTING AT 17, 65% RANGE SPREAD AND THEN A 5% GRADE PROGRESSION. AND WE TALKED ABOUT IMPLEMENTATION OPTIONS. THERE'S ANY NUMBER OF WAYS THAT YOU CAN CROSSWALK FOLKS FROM AN OLD PLAN TO A NEW PLAN AND IMPLEMENT THIS NEW STRUCTURE. WE LOOKED AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT OPTIONS BASED ON DISCUSSIONS NEEDS, BUDGET BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S FISCALLY SUSTAINABLE. WE TALKED, WE LOOKED AT THIS CURRENT RANGE PENETRATION AS BEING SOMETHING THAT APPEARS TO TO FIT FITS YOU GUYS VERY WELL. CURRENT RANGE PENETRATION. WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE LOOKING AT WHERE AN EMPLOYEE IS AND THEIR CURRENT PAY RANGE. AND IF THEY'RE 20% INTO THEIR CURRENT PAY RANGE, THEN WE CROSS WALK THEM TO THEIR NEW PAY GRADE AND WE PLACE THEM 20% INTO THE NEW PAY GRADE. SO EVERYBODY HOLDS THEIR OWN RELATIVE POSITIONS IN THEIR PAY PLANS AND IN RELATION TO EACH OTHER. NOW, SINCE WE INCREASED YOUR PAY RANGES, NOT INSIGNIFICANTLY 50 TO AN AVERAGE OF 50 UP TO 65%, WE ARE RECOMMENDING YOU PUTTING A CAP ON THAT ADJUSTMENT SO YOU DON'T ARTIFICIALLY INFLATE A SALARY BECAUSE WE'VE BROADENED OUT THE DISTANCE BETWEEN MEN AND X. SO IF WE DON'T HAVE A CAP ON IT, YOU'RE GOING TO PUSH PEOPLE FURTHER DOWN THAT PAY SCALE THAN THAN THEY PROBABLY SHOULD BE. LIKE THAT REALLY QUICK. JUST TO TOUCH ON THAT. SORRY ABOUT THAT. 542 PEOPLE WOULD BE RECEIVING AN ADJUSTMENT WITH THIS OPTION, AND IT'S AN AVERAGE PERCENTAGE ADJUSTMENT OF 15%. THAT'S AN AVERAGE. YOU KNOW, SOME WOULD HAVE MORE OR SOME WOULD HAVE A LITTLE BIT LESS. RECOMMENDATIONS MOVING FORWARD IS TO ADOPT THAT PROPOSED CLASSIFICATION CHANGES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THE ADOPT THE POST PAY PLAN, TRANSITION YOUR EMPLOYEES OVER ONTO YOUR NEW STRUCTURE USING THAT OPTION THAT WE TALKED ABOUT ABOVE THERE. UPDATE YOUR CURRENT JOB DESCRIPTIONS AND THE CORRESPONDING FLSA STATUS TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE ALIGNING WITH THE CURRENT ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF THOSE POSITIONS. AND THEN ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, DO DO A SPOT CHECK OF A FEW CLASSIFICATIONS TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE MAINTAINING YOUR MARKET POSITION. AND IF YOU'RE DOING THAT, THEN YOU REALLY SHOULDN'T NEED A COMPREHENSIVE LEAD FOR ANOTHER FIVE YEARS. AND THEN, LIKE ALL PUBLIC SECTOR DOCUMENTS, I WAS IN THERE FOR 25, 30 YEARS. REVIEW, REVISE, UPDATE TO KEEP YOUR DOCUMENTS RELEVANT. IT'S IT'S A DYNAMIC ENVIRONMENT OUT THERE AND YOU'VE GOT TO KEEP THEM CURRENT TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE CONTINUING TO TO MEET YOUR NEEDS. AND THEY NEED TO YOUR EMPLOYEES. REMAINING IS TO WORK WITH YOUR LEADERSHIP TEAM THERE TO FINALIZE THE FIRE AND POLICE PLANS, FINALIZE THAT REPORT. THE BOARD IS READY TO GO PENDING THE FIRE AND POLICE AND THEN PROVIDE TRAINING AND STUDY METHODOLOGY TO AIR SO THEY CAN MANAGE AND MAINTAIN THESE MOVING FORWARD. AND THEN WE ARE GOING TO WORK WITH YOUR HR DEPARTMENT TO GET YOUR JOB DESCRIPTIONS UPDATED TO REFLECT THE INPUT THAT WE RECEIVED THROUGH THAT EMPLOYEE ASSESSMENT PROCESS. AND THAT'S IT. I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. I'LL KEEP SHARING IF I NEED TO REFER BACK TO A SCREEN. IF I DON'T, THEN I'LL TURN THIS OFF CHAIR SO I CAN SEE YOU. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. THANK YOU, MA'AM. AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. MY MY OWN I GUESS MY MAIN QUESTION, BECAUSE I ALWAYS WENT TO OUR CITY MANAGER DURING OUR BIWEEKLY BRIEFINGS, WAS ASKING FOR AN UPDATE. AND IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WERE TIMES WHERE WE'RE WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS FORWARD, BUT WE'RE TAKING TWO STEPS BACK OR THREE STEPS BACK OR HAVE TO REVISIT. LOOKING INTO THE SALARY STUDY. SO CAN YOU WALK ME THROUGH THAT OR ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THAT? [04:50:02] I'M SORRY, WAS THAT QUESTION FOR ME THAT. YES, MA'AM. OKAY, I'M HAVING. I WAS HAVING A HARD TIME HEARING YOU. OKAY, I'LL REPEAT IT. I CAN REPEAT IT. HIRING CERTAIN POSITIONS. SO NO. SO THE QUESTION WAS. SO US AS COUNCIL DIDN'T HAVE DIRECT COMMUNICATION, AT LEAST I DIDN'T. REGARDING THE SALARY STUDY. SO WE HAD TO SPEAK TO OUR STAFF AND SPEAK TO OUR CITY MANAGER FOR FEEDBACK. AND THERE WERE TIMES WHERE WE WERE MAKING PROGRESS AND I WAS THINKING, WE WILL GET THIS A LOT SOONER THAN WHAT WE'RE GETTING IT NOW. SO I WANTED TO ASK, YOU KNOW, WERE THERE ANY HICCUPS OR WHAT WHAT WAS WHAT WAS MAKING IT SUCH A LENGTHY PROCESS OR DELAYED PROCESS, I GUESS, IS THE RIGHT TERMINOLOGY. WHAT WAS IT? IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT CHALLENGES DURING THE COURSE OF THE STUDY. AND WAS THERE DELAYS OR THINGS THAT CAUSED DELAYS TO THE PROJECT? YES. OKAY. THERE WAS THERE WAS A FEW CHALLENGES GETTING STARTED, I THINK GETTING DATA COLLECTED IN THE BEGINNING. I THINK SOME CHANGES TO YOUR PROJECT TEAM WERE GREAT AND REALLY HELPED US GET GOING. GOT US THE DATA WE NEEDED, GOT US THE FEEDBACK WE NEEDED, AND WERE ABLE TO HELP BRING THIS TO A CLOSE FOR YOU. AND THEN I THINK IT WAS ALSO GOING ON DURING THE PROCESS OF DOING NEGOTIATIONS. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE KEPT THOSE THINGS TIMED RIGHT SO WE DIDN'T GET ONE STEP AHEAD OR THE OTHER. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? COUNSEL? COUNCILMAN FOSTER. YES, I HAVE A QUESTION. MY QUESTION IS. I LOOK AT YOUR PRESENTATION AGE WHITE. AS 11 LEVELS. AGE BLUE HAS NINE WHITE. WHY IS THAT? YOU SAID ONE MORE TIME FOR ME. WHITE ON YOUR PRESENTATION ON PAGE 15. HAS IT? 11 LEVELS TOPPED OUT AT $95,036. THE LOO HAS NINE. THEY TOPPED OUT AT 86,260 $0.06 ON PAGE 14. WHY? WHY IS THE WHY AGE BLUE DON'T TOP OUT AT 11 LEVELS? WHY STOPS AT NINE? SO FROM 9 TO 11, WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT THERE IS THE TYPES OF CLASSIFICATIONS THAT ARE ASSIGNED TO THE DIFFERENT PAY GRADES, THE VARIETY, AND THEN THE LEVEL OF ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF THOSE POSITIONS. THE WAY THIS IS BUILT, IF WE NEED TO ADD MORE FOR YOU OVER IN A YEAR'S TIME, IT'S VERY EASY TO DO. SO IF YOU IF YOU DETERMINE THAT YOU NEED TO GROW SOME OF THOSE OTHER CLASSIFICATIONS AND ADD DIFFERENT CAREER PATHS AND LADDERS, THEN THEN WE CAN ABSOLUTELY ADD THOSE FOR YOU. BUT THAT RIGHT NOW REFLECTS THE ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE CLASSIFICATIONS ASSIGNED TO THAT PLAN. OKAY. SO FOR THE GENERAL EMPLOYEES, I DON'T SEE THEIR PLAN. THEY PAY SCALE. IS THAT THE GENERAL PAY PLAN FOR THE REST OF THE EMPLOYEES? NOT ALL YOUR NON BARGAINING OR UNDER THE GENERAL PAY PLAN. SO UNDER THE NOM BARGAINING, THEY TOP OUT 30 LEVELS. $240,151. SO I CAN ACTUALLY ADD TO THAT A LITTLE BIT. IF YOU EXPLAIN THAT TO ME. ALLOW ME. SO THE THREE DIFFERENT GROUPS YOU'RE LOOKING AT ARE THREE DIFFERENT TYPES OF POSITIONS. AND SO THE NUMBER OF GRADES OR END OR THE SALARY LEVELS VARY BASED ON THE TYPES OF POSITIONS. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT AGE WHITE AND AGE BLUE COMPARED TO GENERAL EMPLOYEES, GENERAL EMPLOYEES INCLUDES MULTIPLE LEVELS OF EMPLOYEES THROUGHOUT YOUR ORGANIZATION, INCLUDING ALL ACTUALLY OF YOUR SUPERVISORY LEVEL POSITIONS THAT ARE NOT PART OF FOP. AND IF SO, WHAT I'M WHAT I'M SAYING AND THAT IS GENERALLY YOUR GENERAL EMPLOYEE PAY GRADES ARE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE MANY MORE GRADES AND GO HIGHER BECAUSE THEY INCLUDE EVERYONE FROM TOP TO BOTTOM OF THE ORGANIZATION WHO'S NOT IN THE WHITE AND BLUE CONTRACTS. WHITE IS A LITTLE BIT BIGGER BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE DIVERSE POOL OF JOB TYPES COMPARED TO AGE BLUE. SO IT REALLY JUST HAS TO DO WITH THE CURRENT TYPES OF POSITIONS WE HAD IN EACH OF THE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES OF EMPLOYEES AND WHERE THEY'RE AT IN OUR OLD PAY SCALE AND HOW MUCH SPACE WE NEEDED THE NEW PAY SCALE TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE VARIOUS TYPES OF POSITIONS. I HOPE HOPEFULLY THAT HELPS A LITTLE BIT. IT DOES. MY OTHER QUESTION IS. YOUR PART TIME EMPLOYEES WILL FALL INTO THE GENERAL PLAN. [04:55:05] UM, WE DO HAVE PART TIME EMPLOYEES IN GENERAL. I BELIEVE WE MAY HAVE SOME IN. DO WE HAVE ANY IN WHITE AND BLUE? NO. OKAY. ALL FULL TIME. SO YEAH. SO JUST IN GENERAL. SO. THE DIFFERENCE. ON PAGE 13, I SEE THE MINIMUM FOR A CUSTOMER SERVICE CLERK WENT UP. BUT AN ADMINISTRATIVE SECRETARY IS HIGHER THAN A CUSTOMER SERVICE CLERK. COMMUNICATION OFFICER IS HIGHER THAN AN ADMINISTRATIVE SECRETARY AND A CRIME ANALYST. IS HIGHER THAN A COMMUNICATION OFFICER. EACH ONE FALLS ON A DIFFERENT LEVEL. AS FAR AS. THE STARTING MINIMUM. YES. SO THESE ARE JUST THESE WERE JUST A HANDFUL OF EXAMPLES THAT WERE PULLED OUT TO SHOW YOU THE CURRENT MINIMUM FOR THE PAY FOR THAT PARTICULAR JOB CLASSIFICATION AND THEN THE NEW PROPOSED MINIMUM FOR THAT PARTICULAR JOB. THESE ARE NOT IN ANY PARTICULAR ORDER LIKE INCREMENTALLY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, IF THAT HELPS, BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT THE GENERAL PLAY AND. I'M SORRY. I'M A LITTLE YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS IN THE MILITARY, I LOOKED AT THE PAY SCALE A LOT. SO AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. SO I LOOK AT THINGS LIKE THIS WHEN YOU GET TO ON PAGE 12, FOLLOW ME, YOU GET G4. MINIMUM IS 40,933. AND WHEN YOU LOOK ON PAGE 13. THE COMMUNICATION OFFICER IS $1 MORE, BUT THEY DON'T MEET EXACTLY THAT AMOUNT. I JUST ROUNDED THOSE NUMBERS FOR THE PRESIDENT. PURPOSE OF THE PRESENTATION. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I NEED. THANK YOU. YEAH. YEAH, JUST ROUNDED. JUST A SHORTENED UP FOR YOU A LITTLE BIT. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO, COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO, THANK YOU. MAYOR JUST A QUESTION FOR STAFF. THIS COMPENSATION AND CLASSIFICATION STUDY IS A SUSTAINABLE AND A 3% CAP ENVIRONMENT. IT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID LAST YEAR WAS WE'RE ABLE TO FUND OUR SALARIES AND OUR SALARY INCREASES, BUT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO ALSO INCLUDE THE CAPITAL NEEDS, WHICH IS WHY WE REQUESTED THE CRITICAL NEED ASSESSMENT LAST YEAR. SO THIS IS SUSTAINABLE GIVEN OUR CURRENT RATE OF NEW CONSTRUCTION REVENUE. GIVEN OTHER FINANCIAL CHANGES THAT WILL BE OCCURRING IN THE NEXT FEW FISCAL YEARS. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE BRINGING THIS TO YOU TODAY. THANK YOU. THE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OF STAFF. THE MAYOR, IF I MAY. YOU MENTIONED FINANCIAL CHANGES. CAN YOU ELABORATE ON SOME OF THESE? YES, SIR. YES, SIR. SO NEW CONSTRUCTION REVENUE IS CONTINUING TO BE POSITIVE IN THE CITY. WE EXPECT THAT TO CONTINUE EVEN IN AN ECONOMIC DOWNTURN FOR AT LEAST TWO OR THREE YEARS. SO THAT THAT CONTINUES WITH US REGARDLESS BASED ON HOW THE ECONOMIC CYCLES AFFECT LOCAL GOVERNMENT TYPICALLY. WE ALSO HAVE, AS YOU KNOW, THE CRA COMING TO AN END. AND BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO SUCCESSFULLY COME UP WITH A MULTI-PRONGED APPROACH TO FUND OUR ROAD MAINTENANCE FUND, I'M CONFIDENT WE WILL NOT HAVE TO RELY ON THAT CRA MONEY AS HEAVILY TO FUND ROAD MAINTENANCE, WHICH MEANS THAT IT WILL BE AVAILABLE TO DROP BACK INTO GENERAL FUND. WE ALSO HAVE SOME DEBT SERVICE ITEMS THAT ARE COMING OFFLINE, INCLUDING ONE THAT COMES WITHIN ABOUT THREE YEARS THAT IS ABOUT $1.3 MILLION THAT WE WILL NO LONGER HAVE TO PAY. SO THERE ARE SOME CHANGES LIKE THAT THAT HAVE BEEN OCCURRING IN OUR IN OUR ENVIRONMENT THAT ARE POSITIONING US TO HANDLE THIS GOING FORWARD. BECAUSE YOU ALSO HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE THIS IN PLACE, RECOMMEND IT TONIGHT, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE THE INCREASES THAT WE BUILT INTO THE POLICE AND FIRE CONTRACTS, AS WELL AS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT NEXT WEEK WITH WHITE AND BLUE. SO ALL OF THESE ARE PART OF THE BIG FISCAL IMPACT PICTURE GOING FORWARD. AND YES, WE CAN SUSTAIN THEM. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, COUNSEL? AND HE. SPEAKER CARDS. DEPUTY MAYOR. ON THIS ITEM. SO, YOU KNOW. OKAY, SO. CAN I ASK FOR A MOTION? I WILL TAP THE MOTION. A COMMOTION TO. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO. PROVE THE ADJUSTMENT. GENERAL EMPLOYEES. A PLAN AS A RESULT OF THE EVERGREEN SOLUTION LLC CLASSIFICATION AND COMPENSATION STUDY, INCLUDING THE LONGEVITY [05:00:05] PAY. YES. OKAY. THE EXCEPTION OF. CERTAINLY. OR CHARTER OFFICERS. SEPARATE CONTRACT ON CONTRACT. WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE DIRECTORS AND SYSTEM DIRECTORS. SECOND, EVERYBODY ELSE WILL. SECOND. YOU MADE THE MOTION. GO AHEAD AND YOU STARTED OFF. YOU KNOW, PART OF THE CONVERSATION TONIGHT, A LOT OF IT IS OPTICS. WHEN I LOOKED AT THE OVERALL IMPACT, FISCAL IMPACT. ONCE THIS IS ALL SAID AND DONE AS PRESENTED, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OVER $4 MILLION. UM. THE CHALLENGE IS. THIS IS NECESSARY. THIS IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. IT'S VERY NEEDED. SHERMAN MENTIONED THE LAST TIME SOMETHING LIKE THAT WAS DONE. WELL. WELL OVER. CORRECT. I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING AND BY THE WAY, YOU KNOW, THE LADY CAN THINK OF HER NAME. SHE DID AN EXCELLENT JOB. THE REPRESENTATIVE, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO AND THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT WENT INTO THIS. THIS IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. I THINK WE'RE TRULY GOING INTO THE RIGHT DIRECTION. AS MAYOR OFTEN SAID, TRULY, WERE WE, YOU KNOW, PORTRAYING THE PICTURE OF BEING A GREAT CITY, ONE OF THE GREATEST CITY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH, IF NOT THE GREATEST. BUT THESE ARE STEPS TOWARDS THAT DIRECTION. BUT THE REALITY OF THE MATTER IS, CAN WE AFFORD IT? I. I AGREE WITH YOU, MR. SHERMAN. WE ARE IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. BUT AGAIN, WE CERTAINLY DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS IN IN REALITY. I THINK THE DIRECTORS AND THE DEPARTMENT HEADS RIGHT NOW, ALL OF. CHARTER OFFICERS. THAT'S A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION. BUT I THINK WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW, AND THAT WAS MY HOPE WHERE. ONCE THIS IS ALL SAID AND DONE, WE CAN ADDRESS SOME OF OUR LOWER PAY EMPLOYEES, THE GRADE ONE TO, YOU KNOW. MAYBE, YOU KNOW, TO THE MID MID GRADE, GRADE ONE TO G 15 OR G 20. THOSE WERE REALLY ADDRESSED BECAUSE WE TRULY ARE HAVING A HARD TIME GETTING THESE POSITION FILLED. THESE THESE ARE WHERE THE DEFICIENCIES I FELT LIKE THEY WERE, FOR THE MOST PART, NOT SAYING THAT THE HIGHER MID, HIGHER POSITION WAS WAS WASN'T ANY DEFICIENCY IN THOSE AREAS. WHAT I THINK I'M REALLY EXCITED AND VERY ENCOURAGED THAT THIS THING CAME BACK THE WAY IT DID. I THINK WE CAN. I'D LIKE TO BREAK THE MOTION TO ADDRESS THIS FIRST AND MAKE A SECOND MOTION WHEN IT COMES TO THE OR. DIRECTORS AND OR ASSISTANT DIRECTORS. A DIFFERENT MOTION. WELL, I THINK YOU ALREADY DID THAT IN THE MOTION. WRITE US. EXCEPTION. SO I ASSUME YOU'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THAT AS WELL. OKAY. OKAY. AND MOTION, THAT'S. MAYBE SOME DIRECTION AS. WELL, I GUESS THE ONLY CONCERN AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS EARLIER IS. THE PLAN IS DESIGNED, AND MAYBE I'D BRING STACY IN ON THIS TOO. BUT THE PAY PLAN IS DESIGNED TO BE IMPLEMENTED AS A WE'LL CALL IT A STEP PROGRAM. RIGHT. SO FROM THE LOWEST, LOWEST PAID POSITION TO THE HIGHEST PAID, THEY'RE ALL INCREMENTALLY STEPPING TOWARD THOSE HIGHER ECHELONS. SO THE CHALLENGE THAT I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE, AND WE CERTAINLY WORK THROUGH THIS A BIT, IS IF YOU IF YOU ELIMINATE. LET'S JUST GO WITH ELIMINATE IF YOU ELIMINATE THE CHANGES TO THE UPPER LEVEL POSITIONS. OR IF YOU DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND YOU APPLY A DIFFERENT TYPE OF PAY INCREASE TO THE UPPER LEVEL POSITIONS YOU CAN CREATE. I THINK STACY MENTIONED THE COMPRESSION IS YOU CAN CREATE THE SITUATION WHERE PEOPLE WHO ARE CLOSE TO THOSE LEVELS BUT NOT QUITE THERE COULD BE MAKING MORE OR VERY CLOSE TO THOSE THAT WERE ABOVE THEM, AND THAT CAN CREATE PROBLEMS IN THE UPPER LEVEL POSITIONS AS WELL. [05:05:02] SO IT'S A HARD THING TO SEPARATE TO SEPARATE OUT. BUT PERHAPS STACY CAN GIVE US SOME ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS ON THAT, TOO. SO. THERE WAS A SECOND MOTION. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE GAP IS. RIGHT. SO BETWEEN THE WHAT I WANTED TO, THE SECOND MOTION WOULD GO AS SUCH. SYSTEM DIRECTOR AND DIRECTORS WOULD GO STARTING YEAR 20, I MEAN FISCAL YEAR 22. I MEAN 21. I MEAN, I'M SORRY, 23 IT'S GETTING LIKE WHERE IT'S A 5% INCREMENT FOR THE NEXT THREE FISCAL YEAR. SO WHICH WOULD GO INSTEAD OF THE 15 ALL ACROSS FOUR DIRECTORS AND THE SYSTEM DIRECTORS JUST DO IT OVER THE NEXT THREE. STARTING 23 5%. INCREMENTAL 5% OVER THE NEXT THREE. SO I THINK THAT SHOULD PROBABLY PREVENT THE COMPRESSION. ESSENTIALLY SO. SO. DEPUTY DEPUTY MAYOR, JUST SO I'M CLEAR. RIGHT. YOU WANT TO YOU WANT TO YOU WANT TO TAKE THIS APPROACH. AND I SECONDED THE MOTION. RIGHT. TO YOU WANT TO TAKE THIS APPROACH OF PIECEMEALING IT. RIGHT. AS OPPOSED TO LET'S TAKE CARE OF THESE EMPLOYEES FROM A TO Z TODAY. SO I'M I AM I AM AT THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT BECAUSE YOU WANT TO PIECEMEAL AND YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING ELSE FOR THE DIRECTOR I I'M AT THE POSITION WHERE. AND WE'RE DISCUSSING THIS RIGHT A SECOND. AND THE MOTION. I'M IN THE POSITION OF OUR EMPLOYEES. HAVE SACRIFICED SO MUCH. THEY'VE BEEN LOYAL. EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM. I'M NOT I'M NOT SEPARATING THEM. RIGHT. THEY'VE GIVEN UP THEIR TIME. THEY'VE STOOD THE TEST. AND MOST RECENTLY, WE EXPERIENCED TWO DIFFERENT HURRICANE THREATS. AND IN THAT THEY WERE STANDING AND TOEING THE LINE EACH AND EVERY ONE FROM A TO Z, ALL OF THEM, NOT JUST THE DIRECTORS, NOT JUST EVERY EMPLOYEE WAS OUT THERE. THEY THEY THEY DID WHAT THEY HAD TO DO. I'M AM. I AM. THIS IS WRITING A WRONG OF YEARS OF THEM BEING UNDERPAID, UNDERVALUED. AND I THINK THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO SAY THANK YOU FOR BEING AN EMPLOYEE AND OUTSTANDING EMPLOYEE. AND NOT ONLY THAT, I'M FOR THE LONGEVITY OF IT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT GOT ME WITH THE LONGEVITY. KEEP PREACHING. KEEP PREACHING, MY BROTHER. KEEP PREACHING AND AND COUNCILMAN FORCE TO HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD BECAUSE HE WAS LOOKING AT THESE. AND WHAT I SAW WAS WHEN WE SERVED IN THE MILITARY, WHEN WE SERVED THEIR DIFFERENT RANKS AND TIME AND GRADE. SO COUNCILMAN FOSTER AND I COULD BOTH BE SERGEANTS, BUT I COULD OUTRANK THEM BECAUSE I'VE BEEN A SERGEANT AND IN SERVICE LONGER THAN HIM. AND THAT'S WHERE I WANT TO GO FIX THIS. SO I MY DISCUSSION IS, LET'S FIX THIS. LET'S HONOR OUR EMPLOYEES. RIGHT? THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TODAY. WE HAVE THE FUNDING. LET'S SEND THE MESSAGE. THANK YOU FOR SERVING THE GREAT CITIZENS OF OUR CITY. THANK YOU FOR BEING LOYAL TO THIS CITY. THANK YOU FOR THE SACRIFICES AND THE OTHER MESSAGES. COME WORK FOR PALM BAY BECAUSE WE HONOR THE SACRIFICE OF SERVING OUR PUBLIC. SO I AM GOING TO WITHDRAW THAT MOTION AND IDEALLY IT DIES FOR THE LACK OF A SECOND. AND I'LL PASS THE GAVEL AND I'LL MAKE THE MOTION. BUT MAYBE, AS YOU WERE OUR SECOND FOR DISCUSSION, JUST TO HEAR FOR FURTHER DIALOG FROM MY MOTION. YEAH. OKAY. I'LL SECOND FOR THIS. OKAY. OH, YOU'RE GETTING A SECOND HERE. YEAH, JUST FOR. FOR THIS DISCUSSION OF PURPOSES ROLE. HERE YOU WERE. YOU WERE. BUT HE'S PREACHING MY COUNCIL SPEECH. I SAW COUNCILMAN FOSTER READY TO SPEAK TO, AND I WANTED TO HEAR FROM LIBERTO AS WELL. HE PREACHING MY BROTHER. KEEP PREACHING. SO I WAS GOING TO. BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WHAT IT WAS EXACTLY IN MY HEAD. I UNDERSTAND THE DEPUTY MAYOR WHAT HE WANTS TO DO, BUT. EVERY DAY WE SIT, WE THINK STAFF, WE THINK STAFF. AND LET'S NOT JUST SAY IT IN WORDS, LET'S SAY IT IN PAY. WE NOT ONLY WE THINK, WE THINK THE THE THE LOWER MIC AT THE FRONT DESK. I THINK EVERY TIME I GO TO CITY HALL, HE DOES AN OUTSTANDING JOB. HE NEEDS TO GET PAID. EVERYONE IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY NEEDS TO GET PAID. [05:10:05] IT'S A REASON WHY WE HAVE A LOT OF OPENINGS. IT'S THE WE HAVE TO ATTRACT THE BEST PEOPLE TO GET THE BEST SERVICE. I AGREE WITH YOU. I THINK I WANT TO SEND THE MESSAGE WE LOVE YOU. I THINK I AGREE WITH YOU, MAN. I'M WITH YOU. I'M A WITHDRAW. I'M GOING TO WITHDRAW MY SECOND. I'M A PASS THE GAVEL AND I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ADJUSTED PAY PLAN. I WOULD HAVE TO USE SECOND. YEAH. YEAH, I DID. SECOND. THE REASON? BECAUSE THE REASON WHY I SECOND IT, I WANT. I WANTED TO HEAR FROM THE REST OF THE COUNCIL, TOO, BECAUSE. YEAH. SO THAT'S ALL IT WAS. I HEARD FROM, I HEARD FROM FOSTER. I WANT TO HEAR FROM COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO, TOO. I KNOW ME PERSONALLY, I WAS READY TO TO GO FORWARD WITH IT AS IS. BUT I ALSO HEAR WHERE DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX IS COMING FROM, AS WELL AS TRYING TO STAGGER IT. BUT HERE, THE TWO OF YOU COMING FROM THE MILITARY STANDPOINT AND THE LONGEVITY IN HEARING MISS SHERMAN, I'M HEARING WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM AS WELL. SO I'M I'M A YIELD. SO COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO COULD SPEAK, BUT I THINK MAYBE JUST RE RE ADJUSTING YOUR MOTION. BUT LET'S HEAR WHAT COUNCIL HAS TO SAY. YEAH. YEAH. I'M WITH COUNCILMAN FOSTER AND MAYOR MEDINA. YOU KNOW, I SEE THE SCALE THE SAME WAY THAT THEY DO. YOU KNOW, SCALE OF THE GOVERNMENT HAS LOOKED EXACTLY LIKE WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED BEFORE US. I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEMS WITH IT. AND I DO COMMEND TO DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX ON ON WHAT HE'S TRYING TO DO AS WELL. BUT WITH IT. WITHDRAW. ALL RIGHT, SO I'LL WITHDRAW MY MOTION. OKAY. SO IT DOES, FOR LACK OF A SECOND. I'M PASSING THE GAVEL TO YOU, BUT HE STILL HAS AN OPPORTUNITY IF HE. I KNOW THERE'S NO MOTION. THERE'S NO MOTION. SO I'M PASSING THE GAVEL AND I'M MAKING THE MOTION. THE MOTION. FOR THE SAKE OF TIME. LET HIM MAKE THE APPROVAL OF THE ADJUSTED PAY PLAN FOR THE GENERAL FOR GENERAL EMPLOYEES, INCLUDING THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PLAN, ADJUSTMENTS IN THE EMPLOYEE CONTRACTS FOR THREE CHARTER POSITIONS AS WELL. LONGEVITY AND LONGEVITY TO BE INCLUDED. I NEED A SECOND. SECOND. FIRST, DOES THAT INCLUDE THE LONGEVITY FOR THE CITY CHARTER OFFICERS AS WELL? OR. OKAY. MAKE SURE OK FOR ALL EMPLOYEES. SO ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT THE EMAIL I SENT EARLIER TODAY? YES. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. THERE ARE SECTIONS THAT ARE THE THREE DIFFERENT CONTRACTS THAT ARE ATTACHED ARE ALL A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. SO PART OF THE QUESTION WAS, IS COUNSEL WILLING TO CONSIDER MAKING ALL THREE CONTRACTS THE SAME IN TERMS OF THE LANGUAGE FOR LONGEVITY, SEVERANCE AND THE AUTOMOBILE ALLOWANCE? THAT IS PART OF MY. SECOND. THE GOLF. MAN. GO AHEAD. HOW ABOUT HAVING ME? DEPUTY MAYOR? ACTING MAYOR. WELL. SO WE GOT TO WE GOT A MOTION IN A SECOND. SO YOU MADE THE MOTION? SIR, I DID MAKE THE MOTION. I SAID I PRETTY MUCH SAID IT ALL. I'M REALLY EXCITED BECAUSE I TRULY BELIEVE THIS IS RIGHT OR WRONG. I TRULY FEEL THAT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO SAY TO EACH AND EVERY EMPLOYEE, WE VALUE YOU. WE APPRECIATE YOU. WE'RE EXCITED THAT WE HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO TO MAKE YOUR POSITIONS COMPETITIVE AND TO SEND A MESSAGE THAT WE VALUE YOU. WE SINCERELY APPRECIATE YOUR DEDICATED SERVICE TO OUR CITIZENS. SO THAT IS WHY I MADE THE MOTION AND. NO, NO, WE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO SECOND. SO I HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, MAYOR. JUST FOR THE RECORD, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I GO ON RECORD THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST AS THE MAYOR. I'M ONE OF THE VOICES THAT. YOU KNOW, CAN'T STOP PRAISING OUR TEAM ALL ACROSS THE CHART AT THEM AND SO ON. THEIR LEADERSHIP, THE CAPACITY. I SAID I'M LOOKING AT WE'RE ALL ELECTED FOR A REASON. THE TOUGH DECISIONS WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW. THEY MAKE THEM. AND I SHARE THAT WITH MR. CHAIRMAN. EARLIER WE HAD A LONG CONVERSATION. SO BY ANY MEANS, IT'S NOT TO TAKE AWAY ANYTHING FROM ANYONE OR DIRECTORS AND OR OR, YOU KNOW, SYSTEM DIRECTORS. IT JUST WHAT I'VE SEEN, THE 15%, IT COULD HAVE STAGGERED OVER THE NEXT THREE FISCAL YEAR AND THAT JUST A SUGGESTION I THINK WE STILL WOULD MAKE THEM [05:15:04] HOLD I MEAN WOULD MAKE THEM ALL A WHOLE. BUT OVER THREE YEARS THE FISCAL IMPACT WOULD PROBABLY BE A LITTLE LESS BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MUCH. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE SO MUCH DEMAND FROM FIRE STATION AND SO ON. THAT'S ALL. BUT IN TERMS OF. ARE THEY DESERVING OF IT? THERE'S NO DOUBT. SATED. WELL, MAYOR OF OUR LEADERSHIP FORTUNE, THAT DID MAKE THAT A PRIORITY. SO GUESS WHO HAS TO DEAL WITH. BIG ITEMS WE DISCUSSED TO ADDRESS THAT BEEN NEGLECTED FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF DECADES. SO BY ANY MEANS SO EVER COUNCIL WANT. OR TO WHAT? BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR. TERMS OF TAKING CARE OF OR STAFF. ALL LEADERSHIP. THAT'S ON ME. YOU CONTROL THE DEVIL. HE WENT ON. I'LL JUMP IN TO ADD TO THAT, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE ONLY REASON WHY I WAS. I WAS KIND OF YIELDING IN REGARDS TO AFTER. REMOVE MY SECOND TO GIVE DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX AN OPPORTUNITY IF HE WANTED TO AMEND HIS MOTION. SO THAT WAS THE ONLY THING. BUT WE'RE GETTING TO THE FINISH LINE NOW. SO THAT'S WHAT MATTERS. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THE MAYOR SAID EVERYTHING I WAS THINKING. YOU SAID EXACTLY. EVERYTHING WAS IN MY BRAIN. I WAS THINKING I APPRECIATE WHAT HE SAID. HE WAS PREACHING TO ME. I JUST BELIEVE WHEN YOU GIVE A RAISE, GIVE EVERYBODY A RAISE. IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STRONGER TOGETHER AND FROM THE TOP DOWN. AND WE NEED TO SHOW THAT. AND AND THESE MEN AND WOMEN ARE PALM BAY. THEY WORK FOR THE RESIDENTS AND THEY DO AN OUTSTANDING JOB IN WHATEVER POSITION THEY IN. AGE, WHITE, BLUE, RED, GREEN, YELLOW. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE DOING IT. THEY'RE DOING THEIR JOB. AND WE NEED TO SHOW THEM THAT. I DON'T HATE THEM, BUT WE NEED TO ATTRACT THE BEST. THAT'S WHY WE GOT A LOT OF VACANCIES. YOU HAVE A LOT OF VACANCIES. YOU GO ON OUR WEBSITES, A LOT OF VACANCIES, AND WE CAN ADDRESS THAT BY ATTRACTING ATTRACTING THE BEST TO PALM BAY BECAUSE WE ARE COMPETING THROUGHOUT FLORIDA AND THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES AND GETTING PEOPLE TO COME TO WORK HERE. AND WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM THE TOOLS AND MAKE IT INTERESTING AND TO GET HERE AND DO A GOOD JOB BECAUSE WE'RE NOT THE ONLY CITY IN FLORIDA, THEY COULD GO AND WORK SOMEWHERE ELSE. WE WANT THE BEST TO COME HERE. SO WE'VE GOT TO START WITH THE PAY. THANK YOU. HAVE. SECOND. ALL IT ALL IN FAVOR, I. ALL OPPOSE. OCEAN CARES. AND GET THE GAVEL BACK. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THE GAVEL. LISTEN, WE ARE WE ARE LITERALLY AND I'M SPEAKING FOR EVERYONE ON THIS DYESS. THIS WAS UNANIMOUS. IT WAS UNANIMOUS THROUGH OUR EMPLOYEES. WE ARE PALM BAY PROUD OF YOU AND THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO ON ON BEHALF OF FOR OUR CITY. SO WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR AS NUMBER THREE WAS WITHDRAWN. MS.. SMITH. ORDINANCE 2020 TO DASH 127. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY. BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA PROVIDING FOR THE NAMING OF A PRIVATE ROADWAY TO BE KNOWN AS ASTER DRIVE NORTH NORTHEAST WHICH ROADWAYS LOCATED WEST OF AND ADJACENT TO DIXIE HIGHWAY AND IN VICINITY SOUTH OF WEDGEWOOD DRIVE. PROVIDING FOR THE ROADWAY TO REMAIN PRIVATE, PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PASS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT HERE WITH PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THANK YOU, MA'AM. THE SHERMAN. THANK YOU, MAYOR. JUST BRIEFLY, IT LOOKS LIKE THE APPLICANT IS HERE. WE HAVE A MULTIFAMILY PROJECT KNOWN AS ADVANCE OF THE HARBOR. THIS IS, SIMPLY PUT, A REQUEST TO GIVE A NAME TO A PRIVATE ROADWAY, WHICH IS WHAT IS REQUIRED TO BE DONE IN THE ORDINANCE PROCEDURALLY. AND THEY'RE REQUESTING THAT IT BE NAMED AFTER DRIVE, AND THEY'VE ALREADY DONE THEIR DUE DILIGENCE AND CHECKED WITH THE 911 FOLKS AT THE COUNTY. SO THIS IS FINE FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT. THANK YOU, MA'AM. CARRY ON, SIR. I CAN. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. DEPUTY MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. CONAN BAILEY FROM WGI IS. [05:20:01] I'LL KEEP THIS BRIEF BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG NIGHT, SO I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. AGAIN, I'M HERE TONIGHT TO RESPECTFULLY REQUEST APPROVAL OF THE ORDINANCE 2022 127 TO NAME A PRIVATE ROADWAY TO BE KNOWN AS ASTER DRIVE NORTHEAST. AGAIN, AS MS.. SHERMAN HAD ALLUDED TO, THIS IS TO A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED FOR ITS SITE PLAN. AND WE'RE IN THE PERMITTING PROCESS AND GOING THROUGH FINAL ADDRESSING. AND WE HAVE COORDINATED AND DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE WITH BREVARD COUNTY 911 ADMINISTRATION TO GO THROUGH THE FINAL ADDRESSING PROCESS. THUS, HERE WE ARE TONIGHT TO HAVE THE ACTUAL NAME CHANGE STREET NAME TO BE APPROVED VIA THE ORDINANCE AND MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR FINAL ADDRESSING. SO JUST WANT TO KEEP IT BRIEF LIKE THAT. I DO APPRECIATE YOUR TIME ON THIS MATTER. THANK YOU. ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS? ANY SPEAKER CUTS. I NEED A MOTION. SO MOVED. I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN FOSTER. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? NO, SIR. ANY COMMENTS? COUNCILMAN FOSTER? NO, SIR. ANYONE ELSE? I'M CALLING THE QUESTION ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I I ANY OPPOSE PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE ARE NOW ON ITEM FIVE. MISS SHERMAN. OOPS, SORRY ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO DEFER TO TO JOIN YOU AND CARLA BROWN, OUR OTHER DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, TO GIVE YOU A QUICK OVERVIEW ON THIS ONE. THAT'S RIGHT. WE HAVE TWO DEPUTY CITY MANAGERS. YES. AND I'M VERY THANKFUL FOR THAT. VERY THANKFUL. SO THIS ITEM IS THE COUNCIL CONSIDERATION FOR A REDUCTION IN THE PURCHASE PRICE BY AVALON CAPITAL. THIS IS RELATED TO 1626 ORANGE BLOSSOM TRAIL. THIS CAME BEFORE THE BAYFRONT SIERRA ON MONDAY NIGHT, TONIGHT, TUESDAY, LAST NIGHT, LAST NIGHT. AND WE HAD THE BAYFRONT AREA RECOMMENDED APPROVING THE REDUCTION AND THE ASKING PRICE BY 71,000. $71,854.25. THE REQUEST FOR A REDUCTION IN THE IN THE PURCHASE PRICE WAS DUE TO THE DUE DILIGENCE THAT ADELINE CONDUCTED ON THE PROPERTY, WHICH INCLUDED THE PHASE ONE SITE ASSESSMENT, THE PHASE TWO SITE ASSESSMENT. IT ALSO INCLUDES THE FEES FOR EVALUATION OF THE SOURCE OF THE. OF THE CONTAMINATION AS WELL AS THE DEED RESTRICTION DOCUMENT LEGAL DOCUMENT REQUIRED FOR MOVING FORWARD WITH THE SITE. AND SO WITH THAT, I GUESS I'LL TURN IT OVER TO ALBERTO WITH DYLAN FOR ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE FROM A TECHNICAL ASPECT. THANK YOU. ALBERTO. AND SO ALBERTO WITHOUT ON CAPITAL HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS HAVE YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COUNSEL NO QUESTIONS. THE ONLY COMMENT I HAD WAS AT THE BCRA, AND I WANTED TO PUT THIS ON THE RECORD HERE TODAY. WE WE SAID THAT WITH 71,000, BUT YOU WENT THROUGH YOUR DUE DILIGENCE PROCESS. BUT THE ONLY COMMENT I HAD. AND AND I EXPRESSED IT YESTERDAY, LAST NIGHT. SO I WANT TO EXPRESS IT AGAIN. WHEN I WHEN I SAID WHAT COUNSEL WOULD LOVE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S A 15,000 SQUARE FOOT PLACE WHERE WE COULD RENT IN A HOTEL, NICE HOTELS OVER THERE, EITHER BY THE BAY FRONT OR WHEREVER I WAS, I WAS REALLY APPRECIATIVE OF YOU SAYING, WELL, WE COULD LOOK AT THAT. YOU DIDN'T SAY NO, BUT YOU SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE GET YOUR MESSAGE. WE SEE WHERE THIS COUNCIL WANTS TO GO. SO THAT IS. AND IF YOU WERE HERE EARLIER, YOU WOULD HAVE HEARD THAT WE HAVE A CHAMBER OF COMMERCE THAT THAT HAS TO GO OTHER PLACES OUTSIDE OUR CITY TO HAVE FUNCTIONS. AND SO BECAUSE THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO I JUST WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU THAT I REALLY APPRECIATED YOUR COMMENTS, THAT YOU WERE GOING TO TAKE IT BACK TO YOUR COLLEAGUES AND YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO CONSIDER ALL OF THAT SO THAT I HAD NO QUESTIONS, BUT I WANTED TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD SO THAT YOU, YOU UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM. SO THANK YOU. ALBERTO. ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NONE. OK DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? AND OLSZEWSKI. THANK YOU. EVENING, MR. [05:25:02] MAYOR. DEPUTY MAYOR. COUNCIL RANDALL OLSZEWSKI, 348 BROOK STREET, NORTHEAST. HUNG OUT HERE WITH YOU ALL NIGHT LONG JUST TO TALK ABOUT THIS ONE. I LIKE IT. I DON'T LIKE IT AT ALL. I DIDN'T WATCH THE BCRA MEETING, BUT I PURPOSELY DIDN'T. ONE THAT KIND OF TIME COMMITMENT. IT'S A LOT. I WATCHED THE MAJORITY OF YOUR WORKSHOP YESTERDAY AND I'M LIKE, TRIPLE BOOKED ON ALL OF MY ONLINE MEETINGS, SO IT WAS LIKE A FOUR SCREEN SITUATION. SO BY THE TIME THE BCRA THING CAME ON, I'M SORRY, FELLOWS, I COULDN'T STAY ON WITH YOU OR THE ADDITIONAL COMMISSIONERS, BUT I BROUGHT IT UP IN THE PAST WHERE THE BCRA COMMISSIONERS ACT ON SOMETHING. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, FIVE OF THE GUYS THAT HAPPENED TO BE ON THE COMMISSION SHOW UP TO THE COUNCIL MEETING. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A CONVERSATION, MAYBE SOME INFORMATION COMES UP, BUT IT USUALLY GETS ALLUDED TO, WELL, LIKE, HEY, YOU KNOW, ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM, WE ARE THE BCRA, SO WE ALREADY MADE THIS DECISION. SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO MAKE THE SAME DECISION. BUT THE REASON I DON'T LIKE THAT IS MY INTERPRETATION OF THE FLORIDA SUNSHINE LAW. YOU KNOW, SUNSHINE LAW CALLS FOR, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MEETINGS TO NOT BE A CEREMONY FOR THINGS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN DECIDED ELSEWHERE. NOW, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, IN A IN A IN A LEGITIMATE UNDERSTANDING OF THAT, YOU GUYS DID THAT IN THE OPEN FORUM. SO I'M NOT INDICATING THAT ANYONE HERE IS DOING ANYTHING NONTRANSPARENT OR WHAT HAVE YOU, BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE REDUNDANT STATEMENTS. IT SEEMS COUNTERINTUITIVE. AND QUITE FRANKLY, I DON'T KNOW ALL THE DRAMA THAT HAPPENED ON THE BCRA TO MAKE COUNSEL MAKE THE DECISION THAT INSTEAD OF APPOINTING PEOPLE, THEY WERE JUST GOING TO DO IT. BUT I FUNDAMENTALLY DISAGREE WITH THAT DECISION. SO JUST TO GET INTO THE NUTS AND BOLTS HERE, DUE DILIGENCE IS DUE DILIGENCE, YOU KNOW, BUYING UP PROPERTY LEFT AND RIGHT. THANK YOU. IF TO ADD ON CAPITAL FOR WANTING TO INVEST OUR COMMUNITY, LET ME SAY THAT FIRST GRATITUDE ALWAYS THANK YOU BUT YOU'RE BUYING A PROPERTY YOU'RE THEY COME AND AND THE DEVELOPERS AND THEY CHANGE PROPERTIES ADJACENT AND AROUND AND SURROUNDING THIS ONE'S A PIECE TO A PUZZLE. THEY NEED THIS PROPERTY FOR THEIR WHOLE GRAND MASTER PLAN AND THINGS THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON, WHICH IS WHY THEY WERE WILLING TO PUT 70 GRAND INTO THE HOLE. AND THIS DUE DILIGENCE AND, YOU KNOW, IS IT CONTAMINATED WITH ARSENIC OR ANYTHING ELSE? YOU KNOW, NO SURPRISE. BUT WE ALREADY TAKEN A HUGE LOSS ON THIS PROPERTY. WHO THE HECK THE GUY THAT SOLD IT TO THE CITY KNEW AT THE CITY TO GET A HALF A MILLION FOR IT AND THEN A YEAR OR TWO LATER, IT APPRAISES FOR 130. AND I'M USING FLUBBING NUMBERS HERE BECAUSE IT'S GETTING LATE, BUT I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE DUE DILIGENCE FALLS BACK ON ME, ESSENTIALLY ME, THE TAXPAYER, LIKE YOU WANT THE PROPERTY OR YOU DON'T. SO YOU'RE GOING TO WALK OVER THE 70 GRAND, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO WALK. YOU'RE COMING AGAIN IN A FRIENDLY WAY. I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE AND DOING BUSINESS WITH US AND SAYING, HEY, I GOT 70 GRAND SUNK INTO THIS. I'M GOING TO HAVE TO SPEND ALL THIS OTHER MONEY. CAN YOU GUYS COME OFF THAT 70 GRAND? WE'RE ALREADY TAKING A HUGE LOSS. NO, I CAN'T COME OFF TO 70 GRAND. NO, I CANNOT, BECAUSE I NEED TO RECOUP JUST THE LITTLEST BIT THAT I CAN TO RECOUP THIS EGREGIOUS LOSS. IT AGAIN. WHO THE HECK GAVE THIS MAN 500,000 FOR SOMETHING THAT COULDN'T APPRAISE FOR EVEN HALF OF THAT? BUT I DON'T AGREE WITH IT. I DON'T THINK YOU GUYS SHOULD DO IT. MAKE IT HIS PROBLEM. THANK YOU. SO SECOND, GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN FOSTER. ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION, GENTLEMEN? YES, MA'AM. THE ONLY THING I'LL SPEAK TO IN REGARDS TO THE BCRA BOARD. I REMEMBER WHEN I FIRST GOT ON THE COUNCIL I WAS ORIGINALLY LOOKING TO REPLACE, AND I BROUGHT IT BEFORE, AS THE COUNCIL REPORTS, TO REPLACE COUNCIL MEMBERS WITH RESIDENTS. AND I DIDN'T GET I DIDN'T GET SUPPORT FOR IT. AND AFTER LEARNING SOME OF THE BACKGROUND HISTORY, WHAT WAS HAPPENING WITH THE RESIDENTS, THERE WAS NO MOVEMENT AND NO NO PROGRESSION IN GETTING THINGS DONE. THERE WAS A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH, A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH, A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH, BUT NO MOVEMENT IN REGARDS TO GETTING THINGS DONE. AND IF IT WOULD HAVE CONTINUED ON THAT PATH, WE WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US RIGHT NOW. SO AFTER THAT, THAT'S WHEN I, YOU KNOW, I PUMP THE BRAKES AFTER LEARNING THE BACKGROUND HISTORY ON THAT. SO THAT'S ALL. MAYOR THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON COUNCILMAN FOSTER, ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION? YES. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. EXACTLY RIGHT. I SAID IN HERE MANY TIMES WITH THE BCRA AND IT WAS REALLY NO MOVEMENT AT ALL. NOTHING WAS GETTING DONE UNTIL COUNCIL TOOK IT OVER AND THINGS JUST STARTING TO MOVE. AND AVALON HAS BEEN A GOOD PARTNER WITH THE CITY. THAT'S WHY WE GOT TWO HOTELS SITTING ON SPORTSMAN DRIVE. AND I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO DO WELL IN THE BAY FRONT, SO. YOU KNOW, THEY THEY DID THEY DO JAIL. I DIDN'T KNOW ARSON WAS IN THAT GROUND. BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY GOT TO DEAL WITH THAT AND MAKE IT WORK FOR THEM IN THE CITY. [05:30:01] THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I I ANY OPPOSE PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE ARE NOW ON COUNCIL REPORTS. [COUNCIL REPORTS] COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I JUST WANT TO GIVE ACCOLADES TO THE CITY STAFF THAT HELD OUR GREAT CHRISTMAS PARADE THIS PAST WEEKEND. DID A GREAT JOB. ALSO JUST TO CLEAN UP ITEMS HERE. AN APPOINTMENT OF TWO MEMBERS. ONE IS NATHAN WHITE, THE CITY'S BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD. THE OTHER ONE IS LOGAN LOUIS TO THE SUSTAINABILITY BOARD FOR THE COMMENTS. MAYOR, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MR. OR COUNCILMAN FOSTER. FOR THE SAKE OF TIME, I'M GOING TO REFER MY REPORTS. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, I'M GOING TO USE COUNCILMAN FOSTER'S TIME, SO. BUT I WILL TRY TO MOVE BRIEFLY. LET ME SEE. I HAVE NOTES. ALL RIGHT. SO EARLY, EARLY THIS MORNING, I WENT TO REPUBLIC SERVICES AT 530 THIS MORNING, MEET WITH THEM AND JUST HAVE SOME DISCUSSION, BECAUSE EARLIER THIS WEEK I HAD KIND OF REACHED OUT TO SEVERAL RESIDENTS, REACHED OUT TO ME, AND THEN I REACHED OUT BACK JUST FOR FEEDBACK. AND IN DOING SO, I SAT WITH THEM. I, I, WE ALMOST HAD LIKE A ROUNDTABLE TYPE DISCUSSION WHERE I WAS HEARING FROM THEM AND SHARING FEEDBACK OF WHAT I WAS GETTING AND WE GOT AWAY FROM IT. I THINK THE LAST TIME WE DID IT WAS TWO YEARS AGO, BUT WE HAD A PRESENTATION BY REPUBLIC AND I THINK IT'S I THINK WE NEED TO GET BACK TO IT AND I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THEM HERE IN PERSON, YOU KNOW, ON THE PODIUM FOR MULTIPLE REASONS, EDUCATION AND EDUCATION BOTH WAYS, THEM EDUCATING THE NEW COUNCIL AND US, YOU KNOW, SHARING WITH THEM THE DIALOG THAT WE'RE HEARING FROM RESIDENTS ON THINGS THAT WE NEED TO SEE IMPROVE UPON. IT'S I WAS HEARING IT BACK FROM FORTH BOTH WAYS. I WAS HEARING DIALOG FROM RESIDENTS THAT WAS VERY BENEFICIAL TO BRING TO THEM. I WAS HEARING DIALOG FROM THEM THAT WAS VERY BENEFICIAL TO BRING BACK TO RESIDENTS LIKE, YOU KNOW, NOT PLACING YOUR CART RIGHT NEXT TO THE MAILBOX BECAUSE THAT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT TO TO ACQUIRE THE TRASH. YEAH. YES. OR YOU KNOW, ANOTHER ONE SOMETIMES THE LAWN CARE SERVICES PARK RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET AND IT MAKES IT HARD. AND SO THESE ARE THINGS THAT I THINK IF WE HAVE THAT DIALOG HERE IN THE SAME WAY NANCY GAVE A PRESENTATION, WE CAN HAVE A REPUBLICAN GIVE A PRESENTATION AND DO THE SAME. I'VE EMAILED STAFF, I EMAIL JOANNE STANLEY AND WILLIAM CONRAD, WHO IS AWESOME, AND HE'S ALWAYS ON THE MONEY. SO THAT WAS ONE ITEM THAT I WANTED TO SEE IF WE CAN GET TO HAPPEN RATHER SOONER THAN LATER, BUT DEFINITELY ON A DATE WHERE WE KNOW FOR SURE REPUBLIC CAN BE HERE IN PERSON. I LIKE THAT IDEA. BUT IF WE HAVE A PRESENTATION, THIS WHOLE ROOM WILL BE FILLED WITH PUBLIC COMMENTS AND YOU KNOW IT. SO WHEN WE HAVE A WORKSHOP AND A PUBLIC REPUBLIC WORKSHOP SO THE CITIZENS COULD COME AND ADDRESS THEIR FRUSTRATION AND COMMENTS AND WE COULD WORK IT THROUGH. BUT DURING A COUNCIL MEETING, IT'S JUST GOING TO BE HERE TO I'LL SUPPORT THE CLOCK. I'LL SUPPORT A WORK, SOMETHING I'LL FIND EITHER WAY, SOMETHING. SOMETHING I THINK THAT I THINK I MEAN, IF YOU GO WITH THAT, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA, BECAUSE THAT WAY WE GET WE HEAR FROM OUR RESIDENTS. OKAY, THEN I'M GOOD WITH THAT. THEY BUILD THE RELATIONSHIP. YEP. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT THING I'VE SPOKEN WITH STAFF, I'VE SPOKEN TO SOME PEOPLE THERE. WELL, EVERYBODY'S GONE, BUT I'VE SPOKEN TO SOME PEOPLE FROM BAYSIDE LAKES COMMUNITY, AND I HAD MS.. THERESE POOLE. WE APPROVED SOMETHING A YEAR OR TWO AGO IN REGARDS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT PROJECT, BUT IT WAS LIKE A GOLF COURSE, I MEAN, GOLF CART COMMUNITY. AND YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. YES. SO I WANT US TO LOOK INTO AND I'VE ALREADY KIND OF DID SOME DIGGING, BUT I WANT US TO LOOK INTO POSSIBLY DOING THE SAME THING FOR BASS, OUR LAKES AREA BEING THAT IT'S ALREADY BEING DONE. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? SO IT MAKES SENSE, ESPECIALLY AN AREA LIKE THAT. SO I'M NOT SAYING A BLANKET POLICY FOR THE WHOLE CITY, BUT POSSIBLY LOOKING AT THE BASE LAKES COMMUNITY AREA AS A GOLF CART COMMUNITY. SO THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT THING I'M LOOKING TO DO. YES. YEAH. AND THEN MAKING SURE, JUST LIKE WHEN WE APPROVED PREVIOUSLY, IT WAS FOR 18 AND UP. SO THAT WAY IF THERE IS A CHILD OR 15 YEAR OLD DRIVING A GOLF CART, OUR MEN AND WOMEN IN BLUE CAN HANDLE THAT AND, YOU KNOW, PULL THEM BY THE EAR AND TAKE THEM TO THEIR MAMA OR SOMETHING. SO. SO THEY'RE GOING, NO, THERE'S STILL THIS WELL, YOU'RE STILL YOUNG, RIGHT? YOU SAY YOU'RE STILL YOUNG. [05:35:01] SO THAT'S THE SECOND THING. THE THIRD THING. SPEAKING OF WORKSHOPS, THE LAST TIME WE HAD THIS WAS BACK IN 2019, BUT WE HAD A JOINT WORKSHOP WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE ADVISORY BOARD AND COUNCIL. AND I THINK IT'S ESPECIALLY WITH WHERE WE ARE WITH ROAD MAINTENANCE, WHERE WE ARE WITH UTILITIES, WHERE WE ARE WITH STORM WATER, WHERE WE ARE WITH THE GO ROAD BOND. I THINK THIS WILL BE A PERFECT TIME TO GET BACK TO THAT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL IN ALIGNMENT. AND I THINK I MENTIONED UTILITIES BECAUSE WE SPOKE ABOUT IT IN THE STRATEGIC PLANNING YESTERDAY WHERE. WELL. WE HAVE THAT TOO. BUT THE LAST THING YOU WANT TO DO IS BUILD THE ROAD, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO PUT UTILITIES RIGHT BACK INTO IT. SO I THINK A JOINT WORKSHOP WITH THEM WILL BE VERY IMPORTANT. SO THAT'S ONE THING I WAS JUST LOOKING FOR COUNCIL ON CONSENSUS. I LIKE, I LIKE GOOD WITH YOU. I'M GOOD WITH THAT. OKAY. I THINK THAT'S GOOD. OKAY. I'M ALMOST DONE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I'M ALMOST DONE. YOU. I'M SORRY. AND THEN IN REGARDS TO THE GOING BACK TO THE STRATEGIC PLANNING YESTERDAY, IT WAS MENTIONED. I FORGOT WHO WAS. I THINK IT WAS DEPUTY CITY MANAGER JULIETTE. BUT I'M GETTING OUT GOOD PRESS AND GOOD INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITHIN OUR. IT WAS HER, RIGHT? DON'T YOU HIRED GIRL. THERE YOU GO. YEAH, THERE YOU GO. OH, BUT IT WAS HEARD IN REGARDS TO, YOU KNOW, PUTTING OUT THE GOOD PRESS, LIKE THE FACT THAT WE GOT A FIRE, YOU KNOW, A FIRE TRUCK FOR FOR THROUGH GRANT FUNDING. THAT WAS OUR WORK GROUP. YEAH, OBVIOUSLY. YEAH. SO, SO BUILDING THOSE RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE NEWS MEDIA, YOU KNOW, AND PUTTING OUT THAT GOOD PRESS SHOWING, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK, SHOWING EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, FROM FIRE TO POLICE, THE FACT THAT WE HAVE BODY CAMERAS THAT MONITOR AND SHOW THE TRANSPARENCY ON BOTH ENDS LIKE THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING OR MS.. JULIETTE SAID WAS OUR BODY CAMERAS. WE GOT CHEAPER IN THE MELBOURNE CITY OF MELBOURNE, CORRECT. BAM. LET'S, YOU KNOW, LET'S HIGHLIGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE FINDING WAYS TO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE. SO WE NEED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT, ESPECIALLY IN THIS DAY AND ERROR. YEAH. SO SINCE YOU'RE ON THAT SAME TOPIC, YES. SHE ALSO MENTIONED, WHICH I THINK WAS A GREAT IDEA IN THAT WORKGROUP, WAS TO HAVE SOMEWHAT OF A A A MEDIA. INVITATION FOR LUNCH TO SEE HOW WHAT IT IS THAT HOW WE CAN HELP THEM DO THEIR JOB AS WE HELP US TELL OUR STORY, BUILD THAT RELATIONSHIP. SO SINCE YOU'RE ON THAT TOPIC, I THINK IT ALL INTERTWINES BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO WIND UP PUTTING OUT THOSE THOSE GOOD STORIES BECAUSE YOU COULD SEND PRESS RELEASES OUT ALL DAY LONG. AND IF THEY DON'T PICK IT UP, THEY JUST DON'T. YEAH. SO I WANT TO HEAR FROM COUNSEL IF THEY. I AGREE. I WOULD ADD ALONG ALONG THAT SAME THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, AN IDEA IS RETREAT. BRING A. BRING BRING A KEYNOTE SPEAKER TO MOTIVATE US. OH, I CAN DO THAT. I CAN DO THAT. I CAN GET YOU MOTIVATING SPEAKER MOTIVATED TO GO HOME RIGHT NOW. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. WELL. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. I GOT THREE MORE THINGS. DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD, SIR, OR. OKAY. I GOT THREE MORE THINGS. I'LL BE BRIEF TIME ON. ALL RIGHT, SO THE NEXT THING I DIDN'T KNOW IF SUZANNE WAS GOING TO BRING IT UP OR NOT. I WANTED TO ASK BECAUSE THIS THURSDAY, OUR SPACE GOES TPO MEETING. NO, THAT'S ON MY LIST. YOU GOT IT? YEAH, RIGHT HERE. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. ALL RIGHT, YOU GOT IT. ALL RIGHT, I'M GOING TO PASS. SO. OKAY, SO THEN THE OTHER TWO THINGS. SO THIS THIS IS MORE SO FOR STAFF AND MAYOR, IF WE CAN HAVE. WE REALLY DIDN'T GET A COUNCIL BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO GO TO THE BUSINESS ROUNDTABLE. WE DIDN'T GET UPDATE OF WHAT OCCURS OR WHAT WAS SPOKEN ON, BECAUSE WE DID SPEAK ABOUT ON THE DYESS THAT LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT WILL BE SPOKEN ON AND OTHER TOPICS. BUT WE DIDN'T IF WE WE AS COUNCIL CAN GET AN UPDATE ON THAT AS WELL AS WHAT'S COMING FROM THE MAYOR'S BALL. THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO ITEMS I HAVE AND THOSE ARE GREAT. OKAY. SO IF WE DON'T HAVE TO BE NOW UNLESS YOU WANT TO, BUT LIKE JUST SOMETHING WRITTEN SO WE COULD SEE, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT'S GOING ON. AND I THINK WE COULD DEFINITELY DO THAT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE MAYOR'S BALL BECAUSE IT THE OUR. WITH THE MAYOR'S ROUNDTABLE, BECAUSE WHAT OCCURRED THAT LAST SESSION, I THINK LID WAS DISCUSSED, BUT THERE WAS SO MUCH TIME ALLOCATED THAT THE DISCUSSION WENT SO FURTHER. SO I THINK THERE'S A PART TO TO THAT GOT COMPLETED, BUT I KNOW THAT THAT STAFF CAN CAN HELP US WITH THAT. I'M DONE. THAT'S PERFECT. I'M DONE. AND THE MAYOR'S BALL, WE ARE WORKING ON THAT. AS A MATTER OF FACT, SINCE WE'RE ON THE MAYOR'S BALL, CAN I JUST SAY, IF YOU KNOW ANY, ANY 500 1C3, IS THAT OR ANYONE THAT WANTS TO [05:40:02] DONATE AN AUCTION ITEM, I'M OPEN FOR THAT. AUCTION ITEMS. DEPUTY MAYOR MAYOR OUT DEFERRED MY TIME TO YOU AND AND COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. OH PRAISE THE LORD. SO I JUST WANT TO GIVE STAFF KUDOS. AGAIN, THE CHRISTMAS TREE LIGHTING WAS A SPECTACULAR EVENT. A LOT OF PEOPLE CAME OUT AND COUNCIL THANK YOU FOR FOR BEING THERE. OUR CHRISTMAS PARADE, OUR STAFF IS UNBELIEVABLE. I'M GLAD THAT WE WERE ABLE TO SAY THANK YOU AND WE HONOR AND APPRECIATE YOU. AND THEN THE TPO MEETING. THE TPO MEETING IS THURSDAY. AND IN THAT YOU SAW THAT THERE'S A LETTER HIGHLIGHTING TO THE SECRETARY. RIGHT. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO BRING UP THAT LETTER, MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS AT THAT TPO MEETING. WE'RE GOING TO BRING UP THAT LETTER. BUT EVEN MOREOVER, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THOSE THE $2.9 MILLION FOR THAT EXTENSION OF MALABAR ROAD. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING THE TPO AND THE DISTRICT FIVE SECRETARY IS GOING TO BE THERE. SO WE'VE GOT THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS. I'VE REARRANGED MY SCHEDULE TO BE THERE. I DON'T THINK I COULD LAST BECAUSE THOSE MEETINGS SOMETIMES GO LONG. BUT DEFINITELY WE'RE TRACKING THAT. WE'RE REALLY MOTIVATED BY THAT BECAUSE THE I-95 CORRIDOR, WE NEED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT WE LOST THE LIFE AND PART OF THAT THEY ARE REASSESSING THE INTERCHANGE. SO WE WANT THEM TO DEDICATE THAT TIME AND PRIORITIZE OURS ON THAT SOUTHBOUND LANE. SO, YES, SIR, WE'RE WE'RE TRACKING THAT. AND I'M GLAD THAT YOU BRING THAT UP BECAUSE I WAS REALLY GUNG HO THAT I WAS ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M GOING TO BE THERE. AND THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY NEXT QUESTION. DID YOU WANT MORE OF COUNCIL TO BE THERE OR. WELL, WE GOT CHOICES IF YOU WANT TO. YOU WANT TO SHOW UP. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THEY YOU COULD PROBABLY SPEAK. OH, NO, I'M PUBLIC SPEAKING. NO, I WAS JUST YEAH, I WASN'T SURE YOU GUYS CAN MAKE TIME. I THINK WE'RE IN NUMBERS. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. IF COUNCILMAN FILIBERTO, I KNOW HE'S GOT A TAXING SCHEDULE, BUT IF YOU COULD GET AWAY FROM, YOU KNOW, REARRANGING YOUR SCHEDULE. ABSOLUTELY. I THINK THE MORE COUNCIL MEMBERS, BECAUSE THAT SHOWS THAT WE'RE REALLY PASSIONATE ABOUT PROTECTING LIFE IN ON MALABAR ROAD AND THE EXTENSION. RIGHT. SO THAT ENDS MY REPORTS. [ADMINISTRATIVE AND LEGAL REPORTS] AND NOW I'LL MOVE ON TO MADAM CHAIRMAN. TWO QUICK THINGS. ONE IS TO FOLLOW UP ON WHAT YOU WERE JUST SAYING. THE OTHER REASON IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IS WE HAVE SEEN OVER TIME IN HISTORY WITH THE TPO GOVERNING BOARD, SOMETIMES THERE'S MONEY THAT STAFF TPO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING BEING ALLOCATED TO PROJECTS THAT GOVERNING BOARD MEMBERS MAY COME SORT OF OUT OF LEFT FIELD AT TIMES AND SAY, HEY, WHAT ABOUT MOVING INTO THIS PROJECT AND THE MONEY GETS PULLED AWAY? SO THAT'S ANOTHER REASON, JUST EVEN THOUGH IT'S LATER IN THE AGENDA, AS MANY OF YOU, ALL THAT CAN BE THERE TO KEEP AN EYE ON IT AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT GOES IN OUR DIRECTION, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE IT. THE SECOND FINAL THING IS JUST A FOLLOW UP TO AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE BRIEFINGS, BUT FOLLOW UP TO THE THE REQUEST TO APPLY FOR THE BROADBAND GRANTS. AT THE LAST MEETING, WE HAVE CONFIRMED THAT WE ARE NOT ELIGIBLE AS A CITY TO APPLY WITHOUT A PARTNER THAT IS AN ACTUAL PROVIDER. SO THE REQUEST WAS TO IF WE GET APPROACHED BY BROADBAND PROVIDERS WHO ARE APPLYING FOR THE FUNDING, WHO WILL EXPAND SERVICES WITHIN THE CITY, THE REQUEST WOULD BE TO ALLOW THE MAYOR TO SIGN A LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR THEIR APPLICATIONS TO TO FURTHER THEIR PROGRESS. WE'VE RECEIVED ONE REQUEST SO FAR FROM SPECTRUM, AND IF WE GOT ONE FROM SOMETHING AT&T OR SOMETHING, WE WOULD ASK THE SAME. SO JUST REQUEST FOR CONSENSUS FOR A LETTER FOR THE MAYOR TO SIGN TO SUPPORT THOSE GRANTS. AND THOSE GRANTS ARE ARE MILLION DOLLAR GRANTS FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. SO I'M GOING TO HAVE THE DEPUTY MAYOR AUTHORIZED TO SIGN THOSE THOSE LETTERS. IF IF IT IS A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT WE'RE GOING AFTER. RIGHT. SO, DEPUTY MAYOR, YOU'LL BE SIGNING THOSE LETTERS AND THEN THAT'S GREAT. WHAT'S INTERESTING IS EVEN EVEN THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ARE RECOGNIZING THAT OPPORTUNITY TO SUPPORT THOSE THOSE GRANTS. AND NOW, MADAM ATTORNEY. STILL. ARE YOU STILL AWAKE OVER THERE? YES, MA'AM. COPY THAT. AND NOW WE'RE PUBLIC COMMENTS. [PUBLIC COMMENTS/RESPONSES] WE DON'T HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS, BUT MASTER CHIEF, COME ON UP. GOOD MORNING. CAN WE MAKE IT? GOOD. GILBERT IN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST GOT FOUR ITEMS TO ADDRESS REAL QUICKLY. ONE THE COMP PLAN ZONING. UNDER THE COMP PLAN, ZONING IS GOING TO BE SUBMITTED EARLY. FROM THE REGULAR PACKET. [05:45:01] SO I'M CURIOUS IF THAT'S GOING TO BE IN DECEMBER. ARE THE MAPS AVAILABLE NOW THAT ARE GOING TO BE APPEARING IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? AND IF THOSE MAPS ARE AVAILABLE BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING READY TO APPROVE THAT SEGMENT OF IT. IF THEY'RE AVAILABLE, WHERE CAN I GO TO BE LOOKING AT THOSE MAPS SO I CAN SEE WHAT YOU'VE ACTUALLY CHANGED THE ZONING TO SO I CAN MAKE COMPARISONS JUST FOR MY, YOU KNOW, WHERE I CAN GO TO DO THAT. ITEM NUMBER TWO, UNDER THE COMPENSATION PAY. YOU CAN GIVE YOURSELF A PAY RAISE. IN FACT, OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS, YOU HAD A 6.6% PAY RAISE. YOU HAD A 3% PAY RAISE. THEN YOU HAD A 3% PAY RAISE PRIOR TO AND THAT'S PRIOR TO THAT. THE ORDINANCE WAS YOU COULD GIVE YOURSELF A PAY RAISE. SO WE'RE UNGOVERNED IN OUR ORDINANCE. YOU CAN HAVE A PAY RAISE. IT'S NO GREATER THAN WHAT YOU GIVE THE EMPLOYEES OR I MEAN, OR THE CIP SO THAT YOU CAN GIVE YOURSELF A PAY RAISE. IN FACT, YOU HAVE IF THE OTHER CITIES ARE SO MUCH BETTER THAN US, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE COMPARING YOURSELF, COMPARING YOURSELF TO, THEN MAYBE THAT'S WHERE YOU SHOULD BE LIVING BECAUSE YOU WANT TO LIVE IN THE BEST CITY IN THE WORLD. IF YOU'RE COMPARING TO OTHER CITIES AND WE DON'T MEET TO THEIR STANDARD, AND MAYBE THAT'S WHERE YOU SHOULD LIVE, RIGHT? AND IT WAS SAID IT WAS NOT A PAY RAISE. IF MORE MONEY GOES INTO YOUR BANK ACCOUNT FROM ME, IT IS A RAISE THAT'S JUST NOT TAXED. IT WAS MONEY THAT WENT TO YOUR ACCOUNT FROM ME. THAT'S A RAISE. RIGHT. AND YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE SPENDING THEIR MONEY ON GAS TO GO TO POINT A TO POINT B? I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT THE CITY UNDER YOUR SAME CONTRACT IN THIS ORDINANCE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, THE CITY OFFERS YOU A VEHICLE THAT YOU CAN USE FOR THAT. AND THE CITY PAYS FOR THE GAS. IF THE VEHICLE IS AVAILABLE, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO USE IT AND YOU DRIVE THAT ONE AND DON'T USE YOUR OWN GAS MONEY. IT JUST MEANS YOU HAVE TO CHECK OUT THE VEHICLE THAT'S IN YOUR ORDINANCE. SO YOU WON'T EVEN NEED THE MONEY. YOU JUST USE THE THE CITY'S VEHICLE. ITEM NUMBER THREE, I APPRECIATE THE 15% GOING TO THE EMPLOYEES. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THEORETICALLY I SHOULD GO TO YOU ALSO. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THAT'S NOT THE WAY THE CONTRACTS ARE WRITTEN. I UNDERSTAND THAT. I ALSO APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO THE FUTURE OF $17 AN HOUR. TO ME, THAT'S ASTRONOMICAL BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT I WHEN I STARTED OUT MY PAY FOR $260 A MONTH. BUT THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE, RIGHT? ITEM NUMBER FOUR. GOLF CARTS AND YOU WANT TO BE IN BAYSIDE LAKES. REMEMBER WHEN YOU'RE DOING THAT FOR FOR EMERALD LAKES AND LOOK AT THE COMPARISON. THEY HAD TO HAVE SEVEN FOOT WIDE SIDEWALKS BECAUSE IF YOU MEET ANYBODY ON BAYSIDE LAKE SIDEWALKS WHEN YOU'RE WALKING AND THAT GOLF CARTS COMING, IT'S CALLED RIGHT BY MIGHT YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS? ANYONE ELSE WISH TO COME AND SPEAK? THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.