Mar 08, 2023 Citizens' Budget Advisory Board

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ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY.

HOW'S THE CLOCK? SAYS 630.

WE'LL CALL TO ORDER THIS MEETING.

2020 301, THE CITIZENS BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD.

[CALL TO ORDER]

RANDALL OLSZEWSKI PRESENT.

NATHAN WHITE. REBECCA'S.

ALBERTA. CLINKSCALES.

AND CONLEY. THERE.

PEDRO MARTINEZ.

JEFFREY MCLEOD. HERE.

WE HAVE A QUORUM. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.

YOU DO HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION ON THE AGENDA, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC JOINING US THIS EVENING.

SO WE'LL SKIP THIS. WE'LL BE HAPPY TO HEAR FROM THEM.

WE HAVE A COUPLE DIFFERENT BUSINESS ITEMS HERE.

WE HAVE ONE UNDER UNFINISHED AND THEN WE HAVE A HANDFUL UNDER NEW BUSINESS.

BEFORE WE GET STARTED, WE HAVE A FEW NEW MEMBERS ON THE BOARD AND IT'S THE FIRST TIME WE'VE MET IN A WHILE.

SO I JUST THOUGHT WE COULD GO DOWN THE LINE AND JUST SAY HELLO, INTRODUCE OURSELVES AND WE'LL WE'LL START ON THE FAR END.

WE'LL COME DOWN TO MS..

CLINKSCALES. BUT IF YOU JUST WANT TO, IN A FEW WORDS, SAY HELLO AND LET US ALL KNOW YOUR NAME.

AND OBVIOUSLY WE'RE ALL FROM PALM BAY, BUT KIND OF WHERE ARE YOU FROM, WHAT'S YOU'RE ABOUT AND WHAT YOU HOPE TO ACCOMPLISH, THAT KIND OF THING.

AND IT'S A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY TO TEACH EVERYONE.

IN CASE ANYONE DOESN'T KNOW ABOUT THESE MICROPHONES UP HERE THAT PUSH THE BUTTON INTO THE DOWNWARD POSITION AND THEN SHOVE THAT THING INTO YOUR FACE LIKE YOU'RE ON THE RADIO SO THAT IT CAN BE NICE AND WELL HEARD BY EVERYBODY.

SO WE'LL START AT THE FAR END OF THE TABLE, IF WE CAN, WITH MR. MCLEOD. IF YOU JUST WANT TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF, OH, YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MICROPHONES DOWN THERE.

WE CAN DO A SHIFT. I'M GOING TO BUY THE SEAT.

YEAH. YOU WANT TO COME OVER HERE? IF YOU DON'T WANT. IF YOU WANT TO.

MR. MCLEOD, WE GOT YOU.

I DON'T WANT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAID WE STARTED OUT, WE COULD DO A SHIFT.

DO A SHIFT? YEAH, WE SURE.

COOL. I GOT SORE KNEES.

SO ONCE I SIT DOWN, I DON'T WANT TO MOVE FOR A WHILE.

ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO START WITH MS..

CONNELLY. THEN HE'S GOING TO PLUG YOU IN.

HE'S GOING TO PLUG YOU IN RIGHT NOW.

MR. MCLEOD. YOU'LL BE NEXT.

MS.. CONNELLY. HELLO.

I'M SUSAN CONNELLY.

I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN ON THE CITIZENS BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD FOR TWO YEARS.

OUR MOST TENURED MEMBER.

YES, MA'AM. OH, REALLY? AND IT IS.

THE MORE I'M HERE, THE MORE I REALIZE HOW IMPORTANT IT IS AND HOW IT'S REALLY CONNECTED TO EVERYTHING FUNCTIONING WITH THE CITY.

AND THERE ALWAYS IS SOMETHING NEW AND CHALLENGING TO LEARN AND TO HELP BE IN THIS ADVISORY CAPACITY.

I'M VERY PLEASED TO SERVE AND BE.

FELLOW CITIZENS.

THANK YOU, MISS CONNELLY. MR. MACLEOD, WHY DON'T YOU SEE IF THAT ONE WORKS FOR US? OH, YES. GOOD EVENING.

I'M JEFFREY MACLEOD.

I AM VERY PLEASED TO SERVE.

I HAVE DECIDED THAT IN MY RETIREMENT THAT I'M GOING TO DO AS MUCH COMMUNITY SERVICE AS I CAN AND I CAN THINK OF NO BETTER WAY.

TO SERVE MY COMMUNITY AND BEING A PART OF THIS COMMUNITY.

I HOPE THAT WE'LL WORK WELL TOGETHER TO THE BENEFIT OF THE CITY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR.

MR. BACCUS, MY NAME IS JIMMY BACCUS.

GIVES ME A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE CITY, NOT JUST WHAT'S TAKING PLACE, BUT THE FINANCE OF THE CITY.

THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME.

I'M LOOKING NOT ONLY TO SERVE TO GET A GREATER UNDERSTANDING OF PALM BAY.

AS I SAID BEFORE, THIS IS IT FOR ME AS FAR AS LIVING IN THIS PART OF THE SOUTH, COMING FROM ATLANTA.

ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU, SIR. AND WELCOME.

WELCOME. MY NAME IS RANDALL CHEVSKY.

I'M VERY PROUD AND HONORED TO SERVE AS YOUR CHAIR HERE ON THIS BOARD.

I'VE SERVED FOR APPROXIMATELY TWO YEARS, AND I'M VERY INVOLVED IN THE LOCAL COMMUNITY, VERY INVOLVED IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

I SERVE ON A COUPLE OTHER BOARDS, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THIS ONE HERE, I WOULD SAY IT'S MY FAVORITE.

AND I WON'T JUST SAY THAT IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS, BUT WHEN YOU KNOW ABOUT THE BUDGET, YOU REALLY KNOW ABOUT THE OPERATION OF THE CITY AND IT REALLY HELPS BRING PERSPECTIVE TO EVERYTHING. SO I'M SUPER EXCITED TO LAUNCH INTO OUR FULL ROSTER OF A BOARD AND TO SERVE WITH ALL OF YOU.

AND I REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU FOR JOINING US.

PASS IT TO MR. WHITE.

YES. MY NAME IS NATHAN WHITE.

I'VE LIVED IN PALM BAY MY ENTIRE LIFE AND I PLAN TO KEEP DOING THAT.

WIFE AND I WANT TO RAISE OUR FAMILY HERE.

SO WE WANT TO DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN BEYOND JUST DOING OUR PART TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS AS GOOD OF A CITY AS IT WAS FOR US TO GROW UP IN.

MAKE SURE IT STAYS THAT WAY FOR OUR KIDS.

SO WE WANT TO.

SURE THAT KIND OF A FUTURE FOR THEM AND THEREFORE FOR THE CITY AS WELL.

SO I'M VERY, VERY PROUD AND HONORED TO BE ON THIS BOARD AND TO BE AS VICE CHAIR.

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I'M FASCINATED BY IT.

AND IT IS, AS HAS BEEN SAID, SO IMPORTANT AS IT REALLY DOES, ANYTHING THAT IS IMPORTANT ABOUT THE CITY COSTS SOME MONEY ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

SO MAKING SURE THAT IT'S ALL GOING TO THE RIGHT PLACES IS DEEPLY IMPORTANT.

SO I'M GLAD TO BE HERE AND I'M THANKFUL FOR EVERYONE ELSE TO BE HERE AS WELL TO SERVE THIS IMPORTANT.

SIR. MRS CLINKSCALES. YES.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ALBERTA CLINKSCALES.

I AM A COMMUNITY ORGANIZER.

I'VE BEEN IN BREVARD COUNTY FOR 30 YEARS NOW.

I'VE BEEN SERVING THIS COMMUNITY OF BREVARD FOR 30 YEARS.

I AM A RECENT RESIDENT OF PALM BAY IN 2019 AND WAS APPOINTED TO SIT ON THIS BOARD BY MR RANDY FOSTER, WHO IS OUR COUNCIL PERSON, AS YOU KNOW, AND WISHING HIM PRAYERS IN HIS JOURNEY.

UM, APPARENTLY HE HAD SOME HEALTH ISSUE THAT WAS IN THE NEWS, SO I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, SHARING ANYTHING THAT'S NOT KNOWN, BUT WISHING HIM A SPEEDY RECOVERY.

BUT I'VE BEEN IN THIS COMMUNITY A LONG TIME WORKING WITH TEENS AND ADULTS, AND I WAS APPOINTED BY RANDY FOSTER TO SIT ON THIS BOARD TO.

AS A VOICE FOR CITIZENS.

AND SO I'M HOPING THAT THIS YEAR THAT WE CAN FIND WAYS TO ENCOURAGE THIS IS A CITIZENS BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD, THAT WE CAN FIND WAYS TO ENCOURAGE CITIZENS TO TAKE PART IN.

THE DECISIONS THAT AFFECT HOW FUNDS ARE USED IN THE CITY.

SO THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO FOCUS ON PERSONALLY, IS TO SEE HOW WE CAN GET CITIZENS TO BECOME PART OF THIS PROCESS BECAUSE WE ARE UP HERE TO REPRESENT THEM AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ENGAGING THEM IN THE WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN BE ENGAGED BECAUSE THEY MAY NOT COME TO THIS MEETING. YOU'LL SEE ANYBODY HERE EVERY TIME WE COME SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE FOR SINCE 2021, I MEAN, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY CITIZENS AT ALL.

AND WE DID STRIVE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO I DON'T EVEN KNOW. DO WE TRACK WHO WATCHES IT? LIKE HOW MANY CITY, HOW MANY CITIZENS WATCH THIS BOARD? IS THERE A WAY FOR US TO TRACK AND SEE? IT. REVIEW THE NUMBERS TO LOOK AT STATISTICS.

IF THERE'S A WAY FOR US TO TRACK AND SEE HOW CITIZENS ARE INVOLVED, IF ANYBODY'S EVEN WATCHING, AND MAYBE WE SET UP A PROCESS SO THAT THEY CAN ENGAGE OR GIVE US FEEDBACK. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS YEAR.

SO I'M EXCITED ABOUT BEING HERE.

IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO KNOW WHERE THE MONEY IS COMING FROM AND WHERE IT'S GOING AND TO HAVE A VOICE IN THAT.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH AND I ENJOY THE OPPORTUNITY BEING ON THIS BOARD.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. AND THANKS AGAIN TO EVERYBODY.

REALLY, REALLY EXCITED TO TO WORK WITH YOU ALL.

SO IN THAT VEIN, LET'S GET TO WORK AND LET'S LOOK AT UNFINISHED BUSINESS.

WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER ONE AND IT'S CHARGES FOR SERVICES.

[1. Discuss “Charges for Services” line items in Budget.]

SO THAT.

THERE WAS $93 MILLION THAT'S COLLECTED IN CHARGES FOR SERVICES.

AND THE QUESTION IS, WHAT IS THAT MONEY ALL ABOUT? WHAT IS IT FOR? SO WHAT I'VE DONE, WHAT WE HAVE DONE, ANGELICA AND I, BY THE WAY, ARE THE REPRESENTATIVES FOR THE KBAB FOR THE CITY.

JUST MY APOLOGIES.

I FORGOT YOU GUYS. IT DOESN'T MATTER.

I FORGOT OUR SUPPORTING CAST AND I AM ACTUALLY, BEFORE I EVEN GO ANY FARTHER.

ANGELICA IS THE BUDGET ADMINISTRATOR.

SHE WILL. SHE HAS FORGOTTEN MORE ABOUT BUDGET THAN WE WILL EVER KNOW US COLLECTIVELY.

SO SHE IS THE MASTERMIND.

EVERYTHING THAT WE DO HERE IN THIS CITY AS FAR AS BUDGET IS CONCERNED.

SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, SHE IS THE EXPERT ON IT FOR THE MOST PART.

OKAY, BACK TO THE CHARGES FOR SERVICES.

YOU KNOW, THE BIG QUESTION, $93 MILLION, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY.

AND THAT'S ACTUALLY MORE THAN WE ACTUALLY TAKE IN IN TAXES.

SO THE QUESTION WAS, MR. WHITE, WHAT IS IT ALL? SO WHAT I DID IS, IS FIRST OF ALL, I TOOK IN SUMMARY LEVEL, I BROKE IT OUT BY WHAT IT CHARGES FOR SERVICES AND BY EACH DEPARTMENT.

THAT'S WHAT THE FIRST PAGE IS HERE.

AND I RANKED IT BY.

THE ORGANIZATION THAT HAS THE MOST CHARGES FOR SERVICES.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE, UTILITY OPERATING FUND $35 MILLION.

AND THEN I WORKED ALL THE WAY DOWN TO WHERE ENVIRONMENTAL.

ENVIRONMENTAL FEE FUND HAS HARDLY ANYTHING.

98,000. I WANTED TO SHOW YOU HOW MUCH WAS COLLECTED BY FUND BY ORGANIZATION AND WHAT PERCENTAGE OF CHARGES FOR SERVICES AT A

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IN ALL OF THE ATTACHMENTS THAT I PUT ON HERE IS FOR EACH DEPARTMENT OR EXCUSE ME FOR EACH FUND.

IS I GAVE A BREAKDOWN FOR EACH ACCOUNT NUMBER THAT MONEY IS ACTUALLY COLLECTED FOR AND WHAT IT'S COLLECTED FOR.

I KNOW IT'S A VERY SOME OF THESE DESCRIPTIONS ARE VERY VAGUE.

I DO UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT. LIKE FOR THE GENERAL FUND.

GENERAL FUND HAS TWO PAGES.

OF. UH OH. THE SECOND PART OF.

UH. TWO PAGES WORTH OF LINE ITEMS. IF WE WENT INTO GREAT DETAIL, IT WOULD BE HERE.

MULTIPLE NIGHTS TO GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THOSE LINES.

BUT AS. GENERAL FUND.

IT'S ONLY $6.7 MILLION.

THAT'S THE MONEY THAT.

WE CAN ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT HERE WITH THE KEBAB.

ALL THE OTHER FUNDS ARE THERE LOCKED UP.

THEY HAVE REASONS WHY THE MONEY IS BEING COLLECTED AND WHAT IT'S FOR.

IT'S VERY SPECIFIC.

SO THERE'S NO CROSSING BORDERS.

THERE'S NO CROSSING LINES, CROSSING FUNDS.

THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE IN HERE THAT LIKE EMPLOYEE HEALTH INSURANCE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

THAT'S WHERE MONEY THROUGHOUT THE CITY IS ACTUALLY BEING MERGED FROM UTILITIES DEPARTMENT.

THEY'RE SENDING MONEY TO PAY FOR THE HEALTH INSURANCE.

THAT'S WHAT THIS IS FOR.

COMES IN FROM UTILITY.

SO THAT'S WHY IT'S $15 MILLION.

IT'S A LARGE AMOUNT. THAT'S THE ONLY TIME.

BASICALLY, YOU'RE. THAT THIS SHOULD GIVE YOU HOPEFULLY A GOOD IDEA OF THE BREAKDOWN OF CHARGES FOR SERVICES, WHAT IT'S FOR.

IT'S ACTUALLY GETTING. WELL, I GUESS SOMETHING TO ADD.

OH, YOU DON'T KNOW.

OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU FOR QUEUING IT UP, SIR.

I WILL ASK BEFORE I ASK IF ANYONE HAS QUESTIONS, I JUST WANT TO ASK IF WE CAN GET AS A FOLLOW UP IN ELECTRONIC FORM WOULD BE FINE.

THE GENERAL FUND BY ITSELF, ALL PAGES JUST SO WE HAVE AND WE CAN JUST READ THROUGH EVERY LITTLE THING.

AND THEN THIS WAY, IF AT THE NEXT MEETING ANYONE HAS A QUESTION ON A SPECIFIC TITLE OR WHAT HAVE YOU, THEN THEY'D BE ABLE TO BRING THAT UP BECAUSE THEY'LL BE ABLE TO REVIEW THAT AT THEIR LEISURE. BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO THE BOARD FOR ANY QUESTIONS PERTAINING TO THE INFORMATION IN FRONT OF US OR JUST THE OVERALL CONSTRUCT OF THIS. CHARGES FOR SERVICES.

QUESTIONS. AS CLINKSCALES.

CHARGES FOR SERVICES I'M LOOKING UNDER WHERE IT SAYS MEETING ROOMS AND RENTALS.

DOES THAT INCLUDE THE SENIOR CENTER AND FEES THAT THEY COLLECT? THE SENIOR CENTER.

THEY GET TO KEEP THEIR FUNDS.

THEY'RE A SELF-SUPPORTING ORGANIZATION.

THEY THEY RUN THEMSELVES.

SO WE DON'T OUR TAXES, NONE OF OUR TAX DOLLARS GO TOWARDS.

THEY ACTUALLY PAY. THEY PAY A RENT TO THE CITY.

THEY PAY A RENT TO THE CITY.

SO WHO BUILT THAT FACILITY? WAS THAT ACTUALLY BREVARD COUNTY THAT BUILT IT? THE QUESTION ABOUT THE SENIOR CENTER, BECAUSE I REALLY WANT TO GET MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT.

CENTER YEAH, I THINK WE CAN GET PROBABLY A SUMMARY AND THEN YOU CAN DIVE INTO DETAIL YOU CAN BRING UP YEAH, WE CAN SUMMARY THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT, NOT TO JUMP IN, BUT TO JUMP IN IS THAT IT IS A CITY OWNED AND MAINTAINED AT THAT BECAUSE THE CITY HAS TO MAINTAIN, IT HAS TO SPEND A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY ON THE HVAC SYSTEM.

CURRENTLY A CITY OWNED AND MAINTAINED BUILDING THAT IS THEN RENTED AT A REASONABLE RATE TO AN ORGANIZATION, COMMUNITY ORGANIZATION THAT HAS, YOU KNOW.

EVENTS AND THINGS OF THIS SORT.

THAT'S MY RUDIMENTARY UNDERSTANDING INSTEAD OF THE SEEING RUNNING IT.

YOU HAVE ANOTHER. SO WHO'S THE AUTHORITY IF THERE'S PROBLEMS THERE THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED? AND IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS.

WE HAVE RESIDENTS WHO HAVE PROBLEMS WHEN THEY GO IN THERE.

THEY'RE SO WHO'S THE AUTHORITY? I MEAN, WHO WHO'S OVERSIGHT OF THAT FACILITY? IS IT THE CITY OR IS IT THE.

IF THERE'S ANY IF THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THE FACILITY, THE THE PRESIDENT OF THE SENIOR CENTER, I'LL HAVE TO I'M TALKING ABOUT.

IS THERE AN AUTHORITY OVER THAT? WELL, YES. THEN WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO IS THEY HAVE TO CONTACT FACILITIES OR THE CITY AND LET US KNOW WHAT THE ISSUES ARE SO WE CAN ADDRESS THEM.

OKAY. SO ARE THERE SO ANY OF THE FUNDS THAT COME INTO THIS CITY GO OUT TO THAT BUILD, TO THAT BUILDING? IT MAINTAINS IT. I HEARD YOU SAY THAT THE HVAC SYSTEM AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

SO WE DO MAINTAIN IT AND THOSE THINGS, THEY PAY RENT TO BE THERE ON BEHALF OF THE CITY SO THAT THE RESIDENTS OF PALM BAY OR ANY OTHER PERSON OR ORGANIZATION THAT WANTS TO USE IT CAN ACTUALLY USE IT.

CORRECT. TO UTILIZE IT? YES, IT'S TO UTILIZE IT INSTEAD OF OUR STAFF RUNNING IT.

IT'S ANOTHER ORGANIZATION DOING THAT.

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YOU HAVE A LOT OF REC PARTNERS THAT GO IN THERE AND RUN PROGRAMS. IT'S NOT CITY EMPLOYEES THAT DO IT.

A LOT OF THE SOFTBALL, BASEBALL AND FOOTBALL AND STUFF THAT'S AROUND HERE, IT'S NOT CITY EMPLOYEES THAT ARE RUNNING THE PROGRAMS. IT'S REC PARTNERS THAT ARE RUNNING THE PROGRAMS. OFFERING. WE'LL TALK OFFERING TO CITIZENS.

ALL RIGHT. I JUST WANTED TO SEE WHAT KIND OF FUNDS ARE WE PUTTING INTO IT? YEAH. WHICH. WHICH THE CONSTRUCTION OF WHICH REALLY STAYS WITHIN SCOPE OF JUST UNDERSTANDING THAT THE MAJORITY OF OUR CITY OWNED FACILITIES, THE THINGS THAT OCCUR AT THEM, AREN'T NECESSARILY RUN BY THE CITY.

THE BALL FIELDS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE.

SO WHO GETS TO MAKE THE WE'LL TALK ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS.

HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.

YEAH WE'RE NOT GOING THROUGH FACILITIES AND OR RECREATION BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THOSE THINGS ARE NOT THE QUESTION.

THE QUESTION IS HOW DO YOU GET WHO DETERMINES WHO'S GOING TO RENT IT? LIKE WHERE DO THOSE DECISIONS, WHERE ARE THOSE DECISIONS MADE? MR MCLEOD HAS SOME TEXTURE.

WE'VE USED THAT FACILITY ON MANY OCCASIONS.

THERE'S AN AGREEMENT.

WHEN THE PROPERTY WAS CONSTRUCTED THAT THE CITY OF PALM BAY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE UPKEEP AND MAINTENANCE AND THE NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION. OPERATES THE ACTIVITIES WITHIN THE BUILDING.

AND IN ORDER TO USE THE FACILITY, YOU PAY A FEE.

AND THAT'S WHAT THE ORGANIZATION USES TO PUT ON PROGRAMS. CETERA. ET CETERA. AND TO MAKE THE BUILDING CLEAN AND AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.

OKAY, SO THAT DOESN'T MEAN THANK YOU FOR THE ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE OF IT, BUT IT.

YEAH. SO THERE'S OTHER QUESTIONS AND WE'LL THIS IS NOT THE TIME OR THE PLACE FOR IT.

WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT AT ANOTHER TIME BECAUSE THIS IS THE BUDGET MEETING.

BUT I JUST WANTED TO SEE WHAT KIND OF FUNDS ARE COMING OUT OF THE TAX DOLLARS OF THE RESIDENTS OF THIS CITY IS BEING PUT INTO THAT BUILDING, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT I THAT'S MY QUESTION.

AND SO THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE I WOULD WANT TO.

OKAY, SO THAT'S A BALL OF WAX.

MAYBE WE'LL BUILD UP AND THEN WE'LL WE'LL UNPACK IT AT A LATER TIME.

THANK YOU, MISS CLINKSCALES.

NOW, MR. WHITE, I BELIEVE YOU HAD AN INQUIRY.

YES, IT.

AS WE SAID, WE CAN DIG INTO THE DETAILS AT ANOTHER TIME.

THE. THE LOOSE UNDERSTANDING I HAVE IS THAT THEY THE ONLY MONEY THEY RECEIVE FROM THE CITY.

MONEY. MONEY I SHOULD SAY, THEY RECEIVE FROM THE CITY.

PARTICULAR GRANTS.

SO AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SOME KIND OF SUMMARY OF WHAT'S BEEN.

WHAT THEY'VE GOTTEN SO FAR, IF I'M CORRECT IN THAT, THEN I SUPPOSE IT WOULD JUST BE A LIST OF GRANTS.

IF THERE'S MORE THAN A SUMMARY OF THE GRANTS PERHAPS IN THE LAST YEAR.

BACK. AN EXCELLENT EXAMPLE IS THEY WERE GOING TO REPLACE THE CHILLER AT THE SENIOR CENTER.

AND THAT IS ACTUALLY A CDBG, CDBG GRANT.

UTILIZED CDBG FUNDS TO DO IT.

HOWEVER, BECAUSE THERE IS A.

42 WEEK WAIT ON GETTING THE CHILLER.

THEY'RE USING THE CDBG FUNDS FOR FIRE RESCUE FOR SOMETHING ELSE.

IF THERE'S ANYTHING IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE BEYOND GRANTS, THEN OBVIOUSLY.

PLEASE. YEARS.

A HISTORY OF GRANTS.

ARE YOU READY? YEAH, OF COURSE.

THANK YOU BOTH.

AND I'M JOTTING KIND OF SOME FOLLOW UPS.

WE'LL TRY TO DO A SUMMARY AFTERWARDS TO MAKE SURE THAT KIND OF EVERYTHING THAT EVERYONE HAD WE COVER ON THIS END.

ANY ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR OR DIALOG AGAIN, ON THE WHAT MR. WOJCIECHOWSKI WOJCIECHOWSKI'S EXPLAINING HERE AS FAR AS THE ACCUMULATION OF THE CHARGES FOR SERVICES AND HOW IT ALL WORKS.

ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IT'S COMMONLY. YOU.

I JUST WANT CLARIFICATION.

SO CHARGES FOR SERVICES.

I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE TITLING OF.

SOUNDS LIKE, AND I WAS TRYING TO FIND THEM ON THE BUDGET.

THERE. BE NOT IN ONE PARTICULAR SECTION, BUT SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE.

UH. CATEGORIES.

SO CHARGES FOR SERVICES MEANS TO ME THAT SERVICES PROVIDED.

AND. DOESN'T QUITE FIT.

MODEL. OH.

MM. OKAY, SO WE OPERATE WHAT'S CALLED AN INTERNAL SERVICE FUND.

INTERNAL SERVICE FUND IS ESSENTIALLY A COLLECTION OF MONEY THAT IS CHARGED OUT TO OTHER FUNDS TO PROVIDE A SERVICE. WAS INCLUDE EMPLOYEE HEALTH INSURANCE RISK MANAGEMENT, WHICH DOES WORKERS COMPENSATION AND ALL LIABILITY INSURANCE.

OTHER EMPLOYEE BENEFITS, WHICH ARE BENEFITS OTHER THAN HEALTH INSURANCE AND FLEET SERVICES, WHICH PROVIDES ALL

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AND THEY CHARGE OTHER FUNDS FOR THE SERVICES THEY PROVIDE.

SO WHILE YOU MAY NOT THINK THAT IT'S NOT A CHARGE OF SERVICE BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN EXTERNAL VENDOR OR CITIZEN PAYING FOR IT. THOSE ACTIVITIES THAT HAPPEN IN THOSE GROUPS PROVIDE A SERVICE AND THEY CHARGE NOT INDIVIDUALS, BUT THEY CHARGE OTHER FUNDS FOR THE SERVICES THEY PROVIDE.

HEALTH INSURANCE? YES.

SO HEALTH INSURANCE IS A SERVICE THAT WHILE WE DO HAVE A VENDOR, SYDNEY CITY OF PALM BAY USES CIGNA, HOWEVER.

CITY PAYS A PORTION.

JUST LIKE WITH MOST ORGANIZATIONS, THE CITY PAYS A PORTION OF EMPLOYEES HEALTH INSURANCE, AND THEN THE EMPLOYEE PAYS THEIR PORTION OF THE SERVICE. SO THE CITY PROVIDES A SERVICE IN ESSENTIALLY PAYING FOR THAT FOR THAT ITEM.

CORRECT. SO THEY ARE INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS.

SO THE SERVICES ARE BEING PROVIDED.

THEY'RE BEING CHARGED OUT TO OTHER FUNDS.

AND THOSE FUNDS SEND THEIR MONEY OVER TO THOSE FUNDS TO PAY FOR THOSE SERVICES.

COME OVER HERE.

IS AN INCOME.

IT IS CONSIDERED A REVENUE.

HYPOTHETICALLY, LET'S LOOK AT EMPLOYEE HEALTH INSURANCE, RIGHT? SO IT ISN'T REVENUE ON THE EMPLOYEE HEALTH INSURANCE SIDE.

AND THEN THEY OF COURSE, HAVE AN EXPENSE THEY PAY FOR THEIR PART OF THE HEALTH INSURANCE.

HOWEVER, LET'S SAY THAT THE GENERAL FUNDS PORTION OF THOSE HEALTH INSURANCE SERVICES IS, LET'S SAY, $10 MILLION. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT IS, BUT 10 MILLION.

SO THE GENERAL FUND HAS AN EXPENSE OF 10 MILLION THAT NEEDS TO BE SENT OVER TO THAT FUND TO PAY FOR THOSE SERVICES. SO IT'S NOT A WASH BECAUSE IT'S IMPACTING.

DIFFERENT FUNDS.

NOW AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LINE, IT IMPACTS THE CITY.

CITY WIDE, BUT DON'T REALLY LOOK AT IT AS A WASH.

IT'S NOT IT'S NOT A WASH, TRULY, BECAUSE IT'S COMING FROM ONE OUT OF ONE FUNDING GOING INTO ANOTHER.

NOT REALLY FUNDS THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANY.

SO OUTSIDE OF THE GENERAL FUND, THE 6 MILLION ON YOUR SHEET, ALL OTHER FUNDS YOU CANNOT TOUCH BECAUSE THEY'RE EITHER GENERATED FOR A SPECIFIC PURPOSE AND HAVE TO BE SPENT ON A SPECIFIC PURPOSE, OR IT IS AN INTERNAL SERVICE FUND THAT HAS TO PROVIDE A SERVICE TO THE CITY AND THE EMPLOYEES THAT WORK FOR THAT CITY.

THE GENERAL FUND IS THE ONLY ONE WHERE YOU HAVE FLEXIBILITY ON WHAT THOSE CHARGES FOR SERVICES CAN BE SPENT ON.

EVERYTHING ELSE IS RESTRICTED FOR SPECIFIC PURPOSES.

ONE MOMENT, SIR. ON.

GOOD. ANGELICA ALWAYS GETS.

OLD. ACTIONS TO EXPLAIN, BUT SOMEHOW YOU MANAGED TO DO IT SO.

STAND IT BETTER.

PICTURE HERE ON ONE OF THOSE SHOWS WHERE YOU GOT TO UNTIE A KNOT.

YOU KNOW, YOU'RE IN THE COMPETITION, YOU'RE UNTYING KNOTS.

YOU COULD JUST UNTIE THAT KNOT IN A HURRY BECAUSE SHE JUST IT'S NOT EVEN A KNOT.

YOU KNOW WHAT KNOT? MR WHITE HAD AN INQUIRY.

YES, SIR. IS THAT A MATRIX REFERENCE? THERE IS NO. YEAH, RIGHT, RIGHT.

SO I WANTED TO TO CLARIFY SOME OF WHAT YOU WERE SAYING THERE.

THE. ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IT NOT BEING A WASH.

I'M NOT BACK.

BUT. UM, SOME OF THESE FUNDS AS FAR AS REVENUE FROM.

SERVICE. SOME OF THESE FUNDS COME FROM OUTSIDE OF.

CITY GOVERNMENT. UH, EVENTS, CHARGES AND RENTALS.

ALL KINDS OF THINGS. BUT THEN A FAIR AMOUNT OF IT, IF NOT A LARGE AMOUNT OF IT, COMES FROM INTER.

CHARGES, ONE DEPARTMENT CHARGING ANOTHER.

OF THIS 93.

$94 MILLION OF REVENUE.

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GENERAL FUND. 7 MILLION.

GENERAL FUND. BUT WITH REGARDS TO THE CHARGES THAT FEED, SO TO SPEAK, THIS.

A FAIR AMOUNT OF THAT IS COMING FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS POSSIBLY ALSO.

FALL UNDER THE GENERAL FUND BASICALLY ARE THINGS THAT CAN'T BENEFIT FROM THIS MONEY FEEDING INTO THIS.

HIS TAX DOLLARS IN THE FORM OF A GENERAL FUND.

INTO THIS. PLACES WHERE IT CAN'T BE USED.

SAY. WELL, I'M NOT SURE, BUT TAX DOLLARS, SO WHEN YOU'RE PAYING YOUR PROPERTY TAXES IS NOT A CHARGE FOR.

RIGHT. SO IN GENERAL.

WELL, THEOLOGICALLY IS THE JOKE.

I'M SORRY. GENERALLY ACCEPTED ACCOUNTING PRINCIPLES.

THAT IS NOT SO.

THE ONLY THING THAT'S LISTED HERE IN THE GENERAL FUND, IT IS THERE'S A COLLECTION OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF CHARGES FOR SERVICES YOU HAVE.

AND THAT'S WHAT MAYBE WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT MORE IN DETAIL AT A AT A LATER TIME.

BUT YOU HAVE EVERYTHING FROM RECREATION TO CHARGES FOR SERVICES FOR SOMEONE COMING IN, MAKING COPIES.

YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE HYPOTHETICALLY IF YOU CHARGE FOR AN OPEN RECORDS REQUEST OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

SO IT'S A COLLECTION OF THINGS, HOWEVER, WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND.

THERE THE MAJORITY OF THE CHARGES FOR SERVICES, UNLESS YOU MAY BE LOOKING AT POSSIBLY LIKE SOMETHING LIKE A FIRE INSPECTION FEES WHERE SOME KIND OF REGULATORY REQUIREMENT TIED TO IT THAT SAYS OF THIS AMOUNT, YOU HAVE TO SPEND THIS AMOUNT TO PUT IT BACK INTO IMPROVING A FACILITY AS REGARDS TO FIRE CODE OR THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND, THE CHARGES FOR SERVICES, THE MAJORITY OF THEM DON'T HAVE A RESTRICTION ON WHAT YOU'RE ABLE TO SPEND IT ON.

OF COURSE, YOU CANNOT SPEND IT ON UTILITIES TYPES OF THINGS BECAUSE THAT'S A DIFFERENT FUND.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SPEND IT ON STORMWATER BECAUSE THAT'S A DIFFERENT FUND BUT WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND.

SO THE GENERAL FUND, OUTSIDE OF CHARGES FOR SERVICES THAT MAY HAVE THAT CLAUSE DUE TO A REGULATORY TYPE OF THING, DON'T HAVE A RESTRICTION ON WHAT YOU CAN FUND WITH THAT.

THAT KIND OF HELPS.

TO COME BACK TO THAT POSSIBLE.

STORMWATER. WATER UTILITY.

THAT. WATER UTILITIES PART OF THE GENERAL.

THAT'S WHERE. SO, YEAH, SO YOU HAVE SO YOU HAVE TO THINK THAT YOU HAVE WHAT'S CALLED AN ENTERPRISE FUND.

SO ON HERE AN ENTERPRISE FUND MEANS THE ENTERPRISE FUND OPERATES A LOT LIKE A BUSINESS.

THEY TAKE IN MONEY CHARGES FOR SERVICES.

ONLY BE SPENT ON ACTIVITY RELATED TO CHARGES.

SERVICES. WHICH IS UTILITIES, UTILITY OPERATING FUND.

YOUR STORMWATER AND YOUR BUILDING.

SO THOSE ARE FEES THAT ARE COLLECTED FOR UTILITY SERVICES THAT ARE BEING CHARGED OUT FOR CITIZENS, RESIDENTS OR LIKE WITH BUILDING, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE PERMITS THAT ARE BEING ISSUED.

SO ANY CHARGES FOR SERVICES IN THOSE FUNDS? CAN ONLY BE USED FOR THAT SPECIFIC PURPOSE.

NOTHING ELSE.

SO THEY ARE COMPLETELY SEPARATED.

SO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ACCOUNTING AND WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT GOVERNMENTAL REPORTING, THEY CANNOT LEGALLY BE INTERTWINED.

YOU CANNOT USE THEM FOR ANYTHING ELSE.

YOU CANNOT TRANSFER THE MONEY FROM ANYWHERE ELSE.

THEY ARE A COMPLETE SEPARATE ENTITY.

AND THAT'S WHY THEY SAY A LOT OF TIMES THOSE ENTERPRISE FUNDS THINK OF THEM AS OPERATING AS A BUSINESS.

THEY GENERATE THE MONEY.

YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE MONEY THERE.

IT IS ILLEGAL TO CROSS.

NOW PIGGYBACK OFF THAT QUESTION.

YEAH, GO AHEAD, MS.. CLINKSCALES, I MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT MR. WHITE WAS ASKING, BUT I, I HEARD THE QUESTION.

IS THERE ANY GENERAL FUND MONEY OR IS, OR ANY OF THOSE ENTERPRISE FUNDS OR ANY OF THESE OTHER FUNDS. ABLE TO BE FUNDED BY THE GENERAL FUND.

AND THERE'S NO BENEFIT TO THE CITY.

THERE'S NO BENEFIT OUTSIDE OF JUST WHAT THAT ORGANIZATION DOES.

IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE SAYING? I DID. WORD IT POORLY.

I APOLOGIZE. BASICALLY, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE THERE'S ONLY A SMALL PORTION OF THESE FUNDS THAT CAN BE SPENT ON GENERAL FUND, BUT A GREAT DEAL THAT COMES IN FROM OTHER PLACES.

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UH, CHARGES FOR SERVICES FUND FROM ANYWHERE WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND THAT THEN CAN'T GO BACK TO CAN'T BE SPENT ON THE.

SO I THINK YOU'RE TERMING CHARGES FOR SERVICES FUNDING CORRECTLY.

SO IT'S A IT'S ESSENTIALLY THE FUNDS THAT ARE LISTED HERE.

RIGHT? SO THESE ARE THE FUNDS THAT ARE COLLECTED.

SO YOU HAVE TO THINK OF THEM AS YOUR BUCKET OF MONEY.

IT'S AN ACCOUNT, RIGHT.

AND WITHIN THAT ACCOUNT OR WITH THAT BUCKET, THERE'S VARIOUS CHARGES THAT COLLECT INTO THAT BUCKET.

RIGHT. SO CHARGES FOR SERVICES DON'T COME INTO A BUCKET.

YOU HAVE YOUR BUCKETS THAT ARE FUNDS.

THEY ALL HAVE THEIR OWN REVENUE STREAMS. THEY'RE ALL SEGREGATED AND THEY'RE ALL SEGREGATED.

NOW, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS LIKE HEALTH INSURANCE, OTHER EMPLOYEE BENEFITS, RISK AND FLEET.

THEY ARE CHARGES FOR SERVICES IS SO THINK OF THEIR BUCKETS.

THEY DON'T COME FROM PEOPLE PAYING FEES.

THEY COME FROM ALL THE OTHER FUNDS.

SO THE GENERAL FUND DOES TRANSFER CASH TO THOSE FUNDS, BUT IT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE PAYING FOR SERVICE.

THAT FUND IS PROVIDING TO THE GENERAL FUND.

SO IT'S ALL YOUR POLICE VEHICLES ARE GENERAL FUND VEHICLES BECAUSE YOUR POLICE OFFICERS WORK IN THE GENERAL FUND.

SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT FLEETS, THEY SAY, OH, I HAVE I HAVE A BILL FOR YOU TO PAY FOR OIL CHANGES FOR FIXING THIS OR FIXING THAT.

SO ESSENTIALLY IN A NUTSHELL IS THAT INVOICE HAS TO BE PAID.

SO THE GENERAL FUND ESSENTIALLY THAT INVOICE.

BUT HOW WE DO IT.

ESSENTIALLY ALL THAT MONEY IS ESTIMATED UP FRONT AND GETS SENT TO THAT FUND IN A LUMP SUM AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR OR OVER 12 MONTH PERIODS.

BUT WE DECIDED FOR A LUMP SUM FOR THE YEAR AND THEN THAT'S HOW IT'S PAID.

AND THEN AT THE.

FOLLOWING YEAR, I DO A RECONCILIATION.

I LOOK AT HOW MUCH DID WE SPEND? HOW MUCH DID WE ACTUALLY PAY? CAN WE RETURN ANYTHING? SO THAT'S HOW THAT KIND OF WORKS.

THANK YOU. THAT'S FINE. I UNDERSTAND THAT BETTER VERSUS.

AND JUST TO BUILD ON THAT.

THANK YOU. MS..

COLLINS THAT WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY THE THE DEFINITION OF DESIGNATED FUNDS AS OPPOSED TO UN DESIGNATED, BECAUSE WHEN THEY'RE DESIGNATED, THEY'RE SITTING SOMEWHERE IN THEIR FUNDS, BUT YOU CAN'T TOUCH THEM BECAUSE THEY HAVE A PURPOSE.

YOU'VE PUT THEM SOMEWHERE TO GO SPEND LATER.

BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T LOOK AT THE HEALTH INSURANCE BALANCE 13 MILLION AND GET ALL EXCITED THAT WE HAVE 13 MILLION THAT'S DESIGNATED FOR A BILL THAT WE ANTICIPATE TO PAY FOR 13 MILLION. RIGHT. GOING TO SAY YES.

HOWEVER, IF YOU'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT OUR ACCOUNTS.

DESIGNATED FUNDS IS DIFFERENT.

OKAY, BUT.

THAT IS ESSENTIALLY THE PURPOSE.

SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT OUR ACCOUNTS DESIGNATED, ONCE WE CLOSE OUT THE PREVIOUS YEAR AND WE HAVE BALANCES ON PURCHASE ORDERS AND BALANCES OF ITEMS THAT HAVE TO BE PAID, BUT THEY AREN'T BEING PAID UNTIL THE NEXT YEAR, THAT CASH HAS TO BE SENT TO THE NEXT YEAR TO PAY FOR THOSE ITEMS. THAT'S WHAT'S DESIGNATED.

IT'S RESTRICTED FOR A PURPOSE.

BUT ESSENTIALLY, YES, THE MONEY IS SENT TO THOSE FUNDS TO PAY FOR DESIGNATED.

UNDERSTOOD. UNDERSTOOD.

AND NOW, MR. WHITE, I WANT TO BUILD ON YOUR INQUIRY JUST FROM BECAUSE I SEE THE VISION OF WHERE YOUR MIND WAS GOING WITH IT.

AND I ACTUALLY HAVE A PRACTICAL EXAMPLE THAT WILL DRAW EVERYTHING TOGETHER.

SO EVERYTHING THAT MS..

COLLINS MENTIONED TOTALLY RELEVANT HERE.

BUT TO YOUR POINT, IT IS THERE OR MORE SO.

HAS THERE BEEN A A LEACH OR A USE OF FUNDS OF THE OF THE GENERAL FUND FUNDS THAT'S ENDED UP IN ONE OF THESE POTS THAT CAN'T TRANSFER BACK OVER TO THE GENERAL FUND? AND I DO HAVE A PRIME EXAMPLE.

IT'S THE STORMWATER UTILITY FUND NO LONGER WORKING ON, NO LONGER.

BUT WHEN THE STORMWATER FEES CHANGED FROM PROPERTY TAX ASSESSMENTS INTO ACTUAL FEES THAT WENT ON TO UTILITY BILLS, THE CITY COUNCIL AT THE TIME SAID THAT THEY WEREN'T GOING TO IMPOSE IT ON CHARITABLE ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY EXEMPT FROM PAYING PROPERTY TAXES AND THEREFORE STORMWATER UTILITIES.

NOW, THE CITY COUNCIL, IN MY FISCAL OPINION, REASONABLY SO, HAS SAID WE'D LIKE TO DISCONTINUE THAT PRACTICE.

CHARITABLE ORGANIZATIONS AREN'T THAT HAPPY ABOUT IT.

AND I'M I EMPATHIZE.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE PRACTICE IS BEING DISCONTINUED AND BEING ROLLED BACK BECAUSE WHAT IS OCCURRING OR WHAT HAS OCCURRED, WHAT'S OCCURRING UNTIL THIS ROLLBACK IS

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AND WHEN IS THAT GOING TO COMPLETELY BE DONE BY LIKE THE 24? IT'S ACTUALLY SHOULD ALREADY BE DONE.

I THINK WE ESTIMATED THAT WE'RE ONLY PAYING THE FIRST THREE MONTHS.

YEAH. SO THE FIRST THREE MONTHS OF THIS YEAR.

SO THE CALENDAR YEAR.

NO, IT'S ALWAYS FISCAL, ALWAYS OF THE FISCAL TO SEPTEMBER.

SO WE IT SHOULD ALREADY BE DONE.

WE PAID THROUGH JANUARY, SO PROBABLY IN FEBRUARY WE COLLECTED REVENUE FROM THOSE CHARITABLE ORGANIZATIONS.

AND THAT ALIGNS WITH MY MEMORY OF REMEMBERING WHEN THEY CAME AND ASKED US NOT TO CHARGE THEM, WHICH AGAIN, I VERY MUCH EMPATHIZE WITH ALL OF THEM THAT HAD THAT, YOU KNOW, UNEXPECTED BILL COME UP.

BUT AS WAS DEBATED AND FIGURED OUT, THAT WAS THE FISCAL POLICY OF THE CITY COUNCIL WENT WITH.

SO THERE WAS AN EXAMPLE OF THAT.

AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD ALL BE VIGILANT AND WONDER OF ANY EXAMPLES THAT I THINK OUR COUNCIL WAS BECAUSE IT JUST DIDN'T ADD UP AND IT WOULDN'T ADD UP.

SO I DEFINITELY GET WHERE YOUR MIND WAS GOING WITH THAT.

I DO HAVE A ANOTHER INQUIRY.

SO AS FAR AS JUST TO FOCUS ON GENERAL FUND BECAUSE IT'S EASIER IF I LOOK AT I'LL PICK A RANDOM ONE THE CAPTAIN'S HOUSE RENTALS SERVICE FEES 34,540.

WOULD THAT MEAN THAT IN A HYPOTHETICAL SCENARIO, IF FACILITIES WAS LOOKING AT THE PLACE AND THEY'RE LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD REALLY USE A FRESH COAT OF PAINT ON THIS BUILDING AND THAT'S GOING TO COST US $8,000.

WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO SAY WE WOULD LIKE TO SPEND 8000 OF THOSE EXACT DOLLARS TO PAY FOR THAT BECAUSE IT'S IMPROVING THAT FACILITY? WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO TAKE FROM THAT FUND? IS THAT HOW WE PAY FOR THINGS SUCH AS IMPROVEMENTS? NO. SO YOUR REVENUES AND YOUR EXPENDITURES DO NOT MIX.

THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS.

IS THAT SO? IF FACILITIES OR PARKS AND FACILITIES CHOOSES THAT, THAT IT NEEDS TO HAVE THAT COAT OF PAINT TOTAL OF $8,000, THEN THEY NEED TO FIND THAT MONEY AND EITHER THEIR EXISTING EXPENDITURES.

SO THEY HAVE A SET AMOUNT OF ALLOCATED BUDGET FOR THE YEAR FOR A REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE, OR THEY COME TO CITY COUNCIL AND ASK FOR THE FUNDS FROM UNDESIGNATED FUND BALANCE, UNDESIGNATED.

AND THEN SO THEORETICALLY, TO JUST BUILD ON THE SAME EXAMPLE THE FOLLOWING YEAR, THIS THIS 35,000 ROUNDING UP IS GOING TO FALL INTO THE UNDESIGNATED.

YES, UNDERSTOOD.

UNDERSTOOD. AND I THINK THAT I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN EXPOSED TO THAT CONVERSATION THROUGH MY SERVICE ON THE RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD BECAUSE THE RECREATION DIRECTOR HAS SOME SORT OF DESIRE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF IN AND OUT FUND WITH MR WOJCIECHOWSKI'S BLESSING, WHICH, HEY, I DON'T WANT.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE TOO LONG ON THIS TOPIC, FOLKS, BUT IS THAT IN AND OUT FUND EXISTENT AND IS THAT IN THIS REALM OR IS THAT COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AS FAR AS A CHARGE FOR SERVICES? IT WOULD NOT BE IN HERE AT ALL IF, IF, IF AND WHEN THIS IS DEVELOPED, WHICH I REALLY WANT IT TO HAPPEN, IS THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT IS SAYING THEY'RE GOING TO COLLECT $100,000 IN ALL THESE DIFFERENT FEES THAT YOU SEE HERE.

WHAT THEY WANT IS THEY WANT A FUND WHERE ALL THAT MONEY DROPS INTO THE BUCKET AND THEN THEY CAN DESIGNATE THAT FUND OR THAT MONEY FOR EXPENSES TO RUN PROGRAMS. THAT WAY YOU'RE SHOWING THE REVENUE YOU'RE TAKING IN AND THE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS YOU'RE RUNNING.

THAT'S A PERFECT WAY TO TO SHOW.

WHETHER IT'S A VIABLE PROGRAM OR NOT.

HOW YOU WANT IT TO BE SET UP.

SO UNDERSTAND THAT THE CURRENT CONSTRUCT DOESN'T ALLOW ANY DEPARTMENT TO DO THAT.

RECREATION IS IN THE PURSUIT OF DOING THAT.

TO REALLY FIT. THE EXAMPLE I USED WAS WOULD BE FACILITIES.

BUT ANYWAY, THEY THEY WERE GENERATING MONEY.

BUT WE CAN'T NECESSARILY TAP INTO THAT.

WE COULD WAIT FOR THAT TO SHOW UP IN OUR NEXT YEAR'S FISCAL BUDGET BECAUSE WE COULD SAY, HEY, GIVE US A BIGGER BUDGET BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT WE GENERATED THIS REVENUE.

BUT IT'S GOING TO BE ALL THE WAY TILL NEXT SUMMER BEFORE.

SO IF YOU HAVE, AS THEY USE THE EXAMPLE, IF YOU HAVE.

ALLOCATION FOR 20 SUMMER CAMP SPOTS, BUT YOU HAVE 40 SIGNUPS, 40 SIGNUPS.

IT SOUNDS GOOD. WE'RE MAKING TWICE AS MUCH MONEY, BUT YOU CAN'T PHYSICALLY PAY FOR IT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T USE THE MONEY.

SO THAT THAT AGAIN, RELEVANT EXAMPLE BECAUSE IT SHOWS HOW THESE FUNDS GET LOCKED IN SERVICE FUNDS GET LOCKED IN.

BUT THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I'LL ASK IS YOU'RE VERY YOU'RE VERY ORGANIZED WITH ALL THIS MISS COLLINS AND YOUR WHOLE DEPARTMENT.

MR. WOJCIECHOWSKI BUT I LITERALLY I PICTURE BACK TO LIKE WHEN THIS CITY STARTED.

I WAS JUST AT CITY HALL THE OTHER DAY AND I WAS ON THE THIRD FLOOR AND I SAW THE HALL OF ALL THE MAYORS.

AND I JUST REALLY IT WAS GROUNDING TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THE EVOLUTION OF THE CITY.

AND I THINK BACK TO THE EARLY 60S, SO TO SPEAK, NONE OF THIS STUFF EXISTED, RIGHT? THEY WERE JUST HOPING TO PROVIDE MUNICIPAL SERVICES.

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SO THERE'S FLORIDA STATUTES THAT REGULATE HOW WE DO ACCOUNTING, AND THEN THERE ARE GENERALLY ACCEPTED ACCOUNTING PRINCIPLES THAT ALL LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES, COUNTY STATES AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOLLOWS.

AND THEN WE ARE AUDITED TO ENSURE THAT WE FOLLOW THOSE GENERALLY ACCEPTED ACCOUNTING PRINCIPLES.

BUT BETWEEN REGULATORY WHETHER THAT'S FLORIDA STATUTE OR WHETHER THOSE ARE RECOMMENDED TYPES OF STANDARDS THAT WE DO, AND THEN WITHIN THE GENERALLY ACCEPTED ACCOUNTING PRINCIPLES, THERE'S DIFFERENT METHODS OF HOW YOU DO ACCOUNTING, FOR EXAMPLE, GOVERNMENTAL FUNDS, WHICH THE GENERAL FUND IS A GOVERNMENTAL FUND.

YOU USE DIFFERENT TYPE OF ACCOUNTING THEN YOU DO FOR ENTERPRISE OR PROPRIETARY AND FIDUCIARY FUNDS.

SO THERE'S DIFFERENT ACCOUNTING METHODS FOR THE TYPES OF FUNDS THAT YOU OPERATE.

SO BETWEEN THE REGULATORY BETWEEN GENERALLY ACCEPTED ACCOUNTING STANDARDS AND OUR AUDIT, THERE'S VERY LITTLE WIGGLE ROOM ON HOW WE ARE.

A NETWORK OF GUARDRAILS IS HOW I UNDERSTAND IT.

KEEP YOU IN THE CENTER OF THE LANE.

UNDERSTOOD. WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARITY.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS PARTICULAR BUSINESS ITEM, OR IS THE BOARD READY TO MOVE ALONG? AND SEEING NONE. SO WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON WITH THE TWO FOLLOW UP ITEMS THAT I MENTIONED IS WE'RE GOING TO ASK FOR JUST A DIGITAL FORM OF THE GENERAL FUND PAGE, ALL PAGES THAT THAT YOU HAVE SO WE CAN READ THROUGH THE TITLES AND THE BALANCES AT OUR LEISURE AND BRING BACK ANY FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS.

AND THEN THE THE FUNDING SOURCE HISTORY OF THE SENIOR CENTER, WHAT GRANTS HAVE KIND OF WENT TOWARDS THE SENIOR CENTER IN THE RECENT PAST.

SO AS WE MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS, ITEM NUMBER ONE, WE HAVE A DISCUSSION OF BOARD BYLAWS AND PROCEDURES.

[1. Discussion of Board by-laws/procedures]

SO I'M GOING TO WORK BACKWARDS HERE AND KIND OF SET THE SCENE.

BUT TO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT, AND YOU'LL ALL LEARN ABOUT ME, I GOT A LOT OF LONG STORIES, BUT.

IN THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.

END OF THE YEAR, LAST YEAR. BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.

THIS YEAR, IT CAME UP AS A COUNCIL ITEM TO DISSOLVE THE BOARD, WHICH IS IF YOU WORK BACKWARDS IN OUR BYLAWS, THE VERY LAST ARTICLE, IT'S ARTICLE TEN DISSOLUTION CITIZENS BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD SHALL SERVE AT THE PLEASURE OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND SHALL CEASE TO EXIST AS AN ADVISORY BOARD UPON ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE BY THE CITY COUNCIL FOR DISSOLUTION OF THE BOARD.

SO A COUNCIL MEMBER BROUGHT SUCH SUCH ORDINANCE TO HIS FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS AND SAID, HEY, DISSOLVE THE CITIZENS BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD. AND IT IT DIDN'T GET DISSOLVED BECAUSE WE'RE ALL SITTING HERE.

BUT THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, A PRETTY HEALTHY CONVERSATION ABOUT WHY THAT INDIVIDUAL FELT THAT THAT IT SHOULD BE DISSOLVED AND WHAT EVERYONE WAS LOOKING FOR THE BOARD.

AND WHAT I GOT AS A KEY THEME, I SAID HERE AT THE MEETING, I SPOKE ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD TO SAY, HEY, LET US DO OUR WORK.

BUT WHAT I REALLY DID COME TO UNDERSTAND IS THERE IS QUITE A LACK OF CLARITY AS FAR AS WHAT WE DO ON THIS BOARD OF MRS CLINKSCALES YOU ALLUDED TO IT, SO I WANTED TO JUST LOOK AT OUR BYLAWS AS OUR GUARDRAILS PERFECT SEGWAY AS FAR AS WHAT WAS WRITTEN DOWN WHEN THIS BOARD STARTED, WHICH I BELIEVE WAS IN THE 2018 OR SO FRAME.

AND WHAT DO WE AS A COMPLETE BOARD, YOU KNOW, HAVE AS GOALS? BECAUSE WE THE BOARD WILL CARRY ON, RIGHT? WE SIMPLY JUST GET TO SERVE.

WE HAVE THE PLEASURE OF SERVING TO THE INSTITUTION.

BUT WHAT I WOULD HOPE THROUGH MY SERVICE AND THROUGH ALL OF OUR SERVICE IS THAT WE COULD SET UP THE INSTITUTION FOR SUCCESS.

BECAUSE AGAIN, MISS CLINKSCALES PREVIOUS POINTS, I VIEW THIS AS A VERY VIABLE VENUE TO GET CITIZEN INVOLVEMENT.

AND I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THE A COUPLE OF THESE BYLAWS HERE IN A MOMENT.

BUT IT'S MENTIONED IN HERE.

IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO INVOLVE THE CITIZENRY.

AND I WOULD HATE TO SEE US DISSOLVED BECAUSE WE FAIL TO MEET ANY OF THOSE OBJECTIVES.

AND FRANKLY SPEAKING, IF THE BOARD STARTED IN 2018, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, WE I'VE BEEN ON SINCE 21.

WE'RE HERE IN 23 MAKING THE 23 TO 24 FISCAL YEAR BUDGET HERE IN THIS SUMMER.

I DON'T THINK THAT THE BOARD HAS EVER FULLY LAUNCHED ON THESE PRINCIPLES THAT ARE WRITTEN IN THIS DOCUMENT.

SO I WANTED TO AIR THESE OUT.

MY NEXT FOLLOW UP ITEM WILL CERTAINLY BE TO ASK THAT EVERYONE IS SUPPLIED WITH WITH AN ELECTRONIC COPY, BUT SOME OF THE DISCUSSION ITEMS THAT I WANT TO BRING UP TO THE BOARD

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ALL RIGHT, HERE IS ARTICLE ONE.

EXCUSE ME, ARTICLE ONE, SECTION ONE, AND FORGIVE ME WHAT? I WILL READ IT IN ITS ENTIRETY.

IT'S ONLY A FEW SENTENCES.

THE PURPOSE AND INTENT OF THE BOARD IS TO PROVIDE IMPARTIAL AND INDEPENDENT OVERVIEW, ANALYSIS AND ADVICE TO THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING THE CITY'S BUDGET AND TO ASSIST THE CITY COUNCIL IN MAINTAINING FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY BY ENSURING EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE SPENDING PRACTICES.

THE BOARD FULFILLS THIS PURPOSE BY REVIEWING AND MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING PROPOSED BUDGET, PROPOSED BUDGETS AND BUDGET AMENDMENTS SUBMITTED BY THE CITY MANAGER OR THE CITY MANAGER'S DESIGNEE TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

MOVES ON TO TALK ABOUT THE COMPOSITION OF THE BOARD.

TERMS OF OFFICE OF THE BOARD, WHICH I HAVE SOME GRAMMATICAL SUGGESTIONS, BUT IT'LL BE EASIER TO DO THAT IN AN ELECTRONIC FORM.

I WON'T SAY THOSE VERBALLY TALKS ABOUT HAVING A CHAIR AND A CHAIR PERSON OR VICE CHAIR TALKS ABOUT REGULAR MEETINGS, WHICH I'LL TALK ABOUT HERE IN A COUPLE OF MINUTES.

SPECIAL AND WORKSHOP.

AND RIGHT HERE, THIS IS WHAT I WANT.

ARTICLE SEVEN, THE DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES.

SO THIS IS WHAT I REALLY WANT US TO HONE IN ON AND MAKE SURE WE ALL AGREE AS WE ARE THE INSTITUTION, LET'S MAKE SURE THAT THE WORK THAT WE DO MOVING FORWARD AND THE WORK THAT THE INSTITUTION DOING DOES MOVING FORWARD ALIGNS WITH THIS DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE BOARD SHOULD BE AS FOLLOWS.

THIS IS ARTICLE SEVEN. SECTION ONE A IS AN ALPHA.

PROVIDE INPUT TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON IMPROVING TRANSPARENCY AND COMMUNICATION OF THE BUDGET TO THE PUBLIC.

BRAVO PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE ANNUAL BUDGET SEASON.

CHARLIE ADVISED THE CITY COUNCIL ON SERVICE LEVEL PRIORITIES, CRITICAL NEEDS AND EMERGENCIES MATTERS SUBJECT TO LABOR BARGAINING OR RELATED TO SPECIAL DISTRICTS WILL ALSO BE WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THE BOARD'S DELIBERATIONS IS DEALT TO REVIEW THE CITY MANAGER'S PROPOSED BUDGET CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, BUDGET AMENDMENTS AND BUDGET UPDATE AFTER THE CITY MANAGER OR HIS DESIGNEE, HIS OR HER, IT SHOULD SAY, PRESENTS THE ITEM TO CITY COUNCIL.

AND THEN HE IS AN ECHO.

IS THE BOARD'S REVIEW OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET ITEM SHALL FOCUS ON THE FOLLOWING.

NUMBER ONE ANY ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE AVAILABILITY OF PROFESSIONAL OR OCCUPATIONAL SERVICES TO THE PUBLIC? TWO HOW THE PROPOSED BUDGET AFFECTS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, JOB CREATION OR RETENTION, AND THREE POTENTIAL FOR COST SAVINGS AND REVENUE GENERATING OPPORTUNITIES.

THERE'S TWO MORE SECTIONS HERE, FOLKS.

F AS IN FOXTROT, RECOMMENDATIONS SUBMITTED TO CITY COUNCIL SHALL BE IN WRITING AND SUBMITTED NO LATER THAN 14 CALENDAR DAYS AFTER DISTRIBUTION OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET TO THE CITY COUNCIL OF EACH YEAR REGARDING THE BUDGET OF THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR.

AND THEN HE IS IN GEORGE AS THE CHAIRPERSON OR A MEMBER SELECTED BY THE BOARD, MAY GIVE A PRESENTATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL DURING THE FIRST PUBLIC BUDGET WORKSHOP.

SO I KNOW I SAID A LOT THERE.

I THINK AND AGAIN, WE'LL ALL HAVE A CHANCE TO READ THIS OVER.

BUT I THINK THAT THE MOST FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE THAT WOULD EMPOWER THIS BOARD TO DO THE WORK OF EVERY OTHER DUTY AND RESPONSIBILITY IS A SIMPLE WORD CHANGE.

AND WHERE I WOULD WANT TO BRING THAT WORD CHANGE IS IN SECTION ONE D, AS IN DELTA, WHERE IT SAYS REVIEW THE CITY MANAGER'S PROPOSED BUDGET CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, BUDGET AMENDMENTS AND BUDGET UPDATE AFTER THE CITY MANAGER OR HIS OR HER DESIGNEE PRESENTS THE ITEM TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

I THINK WE SHOULD CHANGE THE WORD TO BEFORE AND WE SHOULD HAVE AS A GENERAL PRACTICE THAT THINGS THAT ARE BOUND FOR THE COUNCIL AGENDA BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE STAFF ADD TEXTURE TO THERE'S, THERE'S A CADENCE, THERE'S THERE'S BUDGET AMENDMENTS QUARTERLY AS THEY'RE DUE TO SHOW UP ON A COUNCIL AGENDA AT REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING TWO OF MONTH X WELL WHY THE HECK WOULDN'T WE GO AHEAD AND HAVE THAT AT OUR REGULAR MEETING IN AN EFFORT TO REVIEW IT, ASK OUR PERTINENT QUESTIONS, BE ABLE TO TALK TO ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND AGAIN, WORK ON.

ALPHA IS AS FAR AS PROVIDING INPUT TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

BRAVO! AS FAR AS PROVIDING RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

AS FAR AS OPENING, THE TRANSPARENCY AND COMMUNICATION IS IN ALPHA.

IF WE SAW ALL THIS STUFF AS A BOARD BEFORE IT WENT TO CITY COUNCIL THAT I FEEL WOULD EMPOWER US TO SERVE IN AN ADVISORY CAPACITY.

I SERVE ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.

WE DON'T LOOK AT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGES AFTER THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVES THEM.

WE DO IT BEFORE AND WE SAY YAY OR NAY OR YAY OR NAY IS QUITE FRANKLY IRRELEVANT TO WHETHER THEY DO IT OR NOT.

BUT IN AN ADVISORY CAPACITY, THAT'S HOW WE SERVE ON PLANNING AND ZONING.

SO TO LINE THAT UP, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE THIS BOARD TAKE TAKE THE INITIATIVE TO CHANGE THE WORD TO BEFORE AND THEN ADOPT THAT AS A GENERAL PRACTICE. I THINK THAT THAT WOULD CREATE A FLOW TO TO OUR BOARD BUSINESS INDEPENDENT OF THE FISCAL YEAR BUDGETING PROCESS, WHICH MISS

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SO THAT THE RELEVANCE OF THE BOARD IS GOOD YEAR ROUND AND IT IS NOT SOLELY FOCUSED ON THE FISCAL YEAR BUDGET PROCESS, WHICH IS JUST ONE OF OUR 7 OR 8 RESPONSIBILITIES AND DUTIES.

I THINK WE SHOULD FOCUS ALL THE ENERGY WE HAVE ON THE FISCAL YEAR PLANNING.

BUT I THINK AS FAR AS THE GAPS IN BETWEEN AND WHERE WE CAN ADD VALUE TO THE CITY COUNCIL, I MIGHT SAY TO AVOID ARTICLE TEN AND BEING DISSOLVED IS BY MAKING THAT CHANGE.

SO I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH THE BOARD AND SEE WHERE EVERYONE'S HEAD'S AT.

AND I'M VERY, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I'M SORRY THAT WE DON'T ALL HAVE A COPY OF THIS, BUT I THINK EVERYONE CAN GET THE FLAVOR FROM FROM WHAT I READ AND WHAT I DISCUSSED.

SO LET'S JUST KIND OF OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION AND SEE WHAT EVERYONE THINKS.

MR WHITE FIRST HAND I SAW.

YES, ABSOLUTELY AGREE.

AND TO TO FURTHER YOUR POINT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP DURING THIS LAST PROCESS WAS WITH SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE HAD ON THE BOARD REGARDING THE BUDGET, IT WAS EXPLAINED THAT THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING OF THE BUDGET WAS ALSO THE LAST OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE CHANGES TO IT.

SO IF WE DON'T RECEIVE IT BEFORE, AS IS CURRENTLY SCHEDULED, WE WOULD ONLY HAVE BETWEEN WHEN THE AGENDA IS RELEASED FOR THAT MEETING IF THAT, BECAUSE THE LAST TIME THE BUDGET WAS ACTUALLY NOT ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA, BUT AT MOST WE WOULD ONLY HAVE THOSE SIX DAYS TO REVIEW THE ENTIRETY OF THE BUDGET AND SOMEHOW MAKE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL IN BETWEEN OR AT THE.

WHERE IT'S DISCUSSED, WHICH IS QUITE DIFFICULT, QUITE THE QUITE THE CHALLENGE THERE.

SO I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY.

ALSO, I WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION OF YOU, MR. CHAIR, ACTUALLY, BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE COPY OF THE BYLAWS THAT WAS GIVEN TO YOU WHEN YOU JOINED THE BOARD.

THAT'S WHAT THAT IS, RIGHT? YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN HERE.

SO I WONDER IF YOU RECALL WHEN IT WAS THAT.

ARTICLE SEVEN, SECTION ONE, SUBSECTION C, WHEN THAT WAS CHANGED ON.

GIRLS. NOT THERE.

THE SECTION C MATTERS SUBJECT TO LABOR BARGAINING OR RELATED TO SPECIAL DISTRICTS WILL NOT BE WITHIN THE SCOPE OF.

RACHEL. BACK WHERE IT SAYS AT THE VERY LAST PAGE WHERE IT SAYS ADOPTED.

IT'S ALSO BLANK.

I DON'T KNOW WHEN. YEAH.

MINE WAS ADOPTED.

REGULAR MEETING 2018 ZERO TWO ON 313 2018 BUT REVISED IN JULY OF 2018.

I'VE 2018 RIGHT HERE THAT REVISED AGAIN, WHICH IN QUITE IRONICALLY I MEAN AS FAR AS LABOR BARGAINING AND THINGS OF THIS SORT THAT'S GOING ON, THAT'S BEEN GOING ON AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN EVEN IN THE PURVIEW OF THIS BOARD.

SO IF YOU JUST FOCUS IN ON LETTER A, PROVIDE INPUT TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON IMPROVING TRANSPARENCY AND COMMUNICATION OF THE BUDGET TO THE PUBLIC.

INVOLVEMENT IN THE PROCESSES THAT WERE WRITTEN DOWN IS REALLY WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.

SO INTERESTING.

INTERESTING. WE'LL HAVE TO I MIGHT HAVE PULLED THAT.

I MIGHT HAVE PULLED THAT.

WHEN I BECAME A MEMBER OF THIS BOARD.

I WENT WHAT WAS POSTED, MAYBE WHAT WAS POSTED.

I JUST PULLED IT FROM THERE, SO I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT HAD BEEN UPDATED.

BECAUSE I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO BE SUBMITTING A DIGITAL FORMAT TO YOU.

YOU WILL HAVE THE WHATEVER THE LATEST, WHATEVER THE LATEST THE LATEST IS.

MAY I ADD SOMETHING TO THIS CONVERSATION? WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE BOARD.

CITY WILL NOT.

I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT THE CITY WILL GIVE A PROPOSED BUDGET TO THIS BOARD WITHOUT GIVING IT TO COUNCIL FIRST.

THAT'S JUST THAT'S RESPECT TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO GIVE THEM THE BUDGET FIRST.

THAT IT WILL NEVER COME HERE FOR.

IS IT? WELL, MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION WAS GOING TO BE IN TERMS OF WHEN WE HAVE THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS COME WITH THEIR BUDGETS, IS THAT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO HAVE INPUT? HAS IT GONE TO COUNCIL? WHEN WE HAVE THE MEETINGS WITH THESE DEPARTMENTS? IT'S ALREADY BEEN THE COUNCIL.

ANGELA NO, IT HAS NOT.

IN FACT, THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO BE STARTING.

EVERYBODY'S DEVELOPING THEIR BUDGETS RIGHT NOW.

THEY STARTED LAST MONTH.

STARTED DEVELOPING. LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION KIND OF ON ME AND CROSS, BUT KIND OF LIKE WHAT YOU SAID.

WOULD WE GET THAT BUDGET LAST BASED ON THE OTHER COMMITTEES? OR AS I KNOW THAT THE COUNCIL IS GOING TO GET THE BUDGET FIRST.

BUT. WHAT LEVEL DO WE GET IT? SO YOU ACTUALLY.

MHM. MHM. SO TIMEFRAME WISE YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THE PROPOSED BUDGET AT THE SAME TIME CITY COUNCIL RECEIVES IT.

IS. SO IF YOU WE CAN GO OVER THE CALENDAR IN A LITTLE BIT.

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UM, WHICH USUALLY BY THAT TIME I AM VERY CLOSE TO PUTTING ALL THE FINAL DOTTING THE FINAL I'S AND CROSSING THE FINAL T'S, AND THEN YOU HAVE A MEETING THE FOLLOWING DAY AND THEN THE PROPOSED BUDGET COMES OUT JULY 28TH.

SO BETWEEN THE BUDGET WORKSHOP THAT I HOST, WHERE YOU ALREADY GET A PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF WHAT DIRECTION WE'RE GOING INTO WITH THE MEETING AFTER DIRECTLY THE DAY AFTER THAT WORKSHOP.

AND TWO, WHEN THE PROPOSED BUDGET COMES OUT.

THAT IS THE YOU HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME THAT CITY COUNCIL HAS WITH REVIEWING DATA AND YOU GET ACCESS TO THE PROPOSED BUDGET AT THE SAME TIME. OKAY.

LET ME GET BACK TO MY QUESTION, BECAUSE THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS COME BEFORE THIS BOARD.

WE'VE INVITED THEM AND THEY HAVE COME AND WE'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE WHAT THEIR PROPOSED BUDGETS ARE BEFORE THE ACTUAL WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT DEPARTMENT LEVEL IS IT BEFORE IT'S ACTUALLY PUT TOGETHER AS A AS A PACKAGE THAT'S GOING TO GO TO COUNCIL? SO WHAT YOU HAD LAST YEAR WAS DEPARTMENTS COMING.

THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING THEIR BUDGET TO YOU.

THEY ARE PROVIDING YOU WITH WHAT NEEDS THEY HAVE AND WHAT THEY ANTICIPATE.

ON ASKING FOR IN THE BUDGET.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. I DIDN'T MEAN PROPOSING IT TO US.

I MEAN SHARING WITH US WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE ASKING.

IN THE BUDGET. WELL, SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT SCHEDULED FOR THIS YEAR.

HOWEVER, MYSELF AND AND LARRY AND CITY MANAGEMENT, WE DON'T SIT DOWN WITH THOSE DEPARTMENTS UNTIL THE MONTH OF MAY.

SO THE ENTIRE MONTH OF MAY IS WHEN WE SIT WITH ALL THOSE DEPARTMENTS AND REVIEW THEIR BUDGETS AND REVIEW ALL THE NEEDS THAT THEY HAVE. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT WHAT RANDALL IS ASKING.

AND THAT IS SINCE YOU ALREADY SAID, YOU KNOW, COUNSEL WILL NOT ALLOW US TO HAVE A BUDGET BEFORE THEY RECEIVE IT, OR WILL THE CITY MANAGER OR WITH THE CITY HAVE THE BUDGET TO ANYBODY UNTIL SHE'S COMPLETED WITH IT? SO I'M JUST I GUESS, WHERE MY THOUGHT PROCESS IS, IS.

WHEN THE PRESENTATION IF WE INVITE THE DEPARTMENT TO COME AND DO A PRESENTATION BASED ON WHAT THEY WANT TO DO IN THEIR DEPARTMENTS, WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE, THAT KIND OF THING. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE AND CAN WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THEM BEFORE THE FINAL PACKAGE IS SENT TO COUNCIL? UH, REALISTICALLY, IT'S MARCH.

THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN.

UM, BECAUSE. NOT THIS YEAR.

NOT THIS YEAR, NO.

BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY ACTIVELY WORKING IN THEIR BUDGETS.

THEY'RE ALREADY WORKING ON WHAT ITEMS THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, THEIR REQUEST ON ASKING MY DEADLINE FOR THEM TO SUBMIT ALL OF THEIR REQUESTS IS APRIL 14TH.

AND THEN ON JULY 11TH, WHICH IS THE WORKSHOP THAT I HOST, WHILE I DON'T GO THROUGH DETAIL, I PRESENT EVERYTHING AND YOU HAVE A MEETING IN THE FOLLOWING DAY.

SO IT IS IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT.

CITIZENS BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD ATTENDS THAT WORKSHOP OR WATCHES IT SO THEY CAN GET UNDERSTANDING AND PREPARATION FOR THEIR MEETING THE NEXT DAY.

BECAUSE BY THAT DATE I HAVE.

PRETTY GOOD IDEA. WHILE I DON'T HAVE A FINAL PROPOSED BUDGET BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT FROM GENERALLY ACCEPTED ACCOUNTING PRINCIPLES AND STATUTORY REGULATIONS, THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO A PROPOSED BUDGET.

IT'S NOT JUST PUTTING THINGS WHERE I HAVE TO BALANCE 69 FUNDS.

I HAVE TO MAKE SURE TRANSFERS ARE ACCURATE FROM HERE TO THERE.

EVERYTHING IS TO THE DOLLAR.

SO THAT'S WHAT A PROPOSED BUDGET IS.

IT'S ESSENTIALLY PUT A BOW ON IT SO IT IS IMPORTANT THAT YOU ATTEND THE WORKSHOP SO YOU CAN DISCUSS IT THE FOLLOWING DAY.

AND I WILL TELL YOU, MY PROPOSED BUDGET, WHILE IT SAYS PUBLICATION IS JULY 28TH.

THERE'S TIMES WHEN I DO NOT GET MY PROPOSED BUDGET DONE UNTIL JULY 27TH AT 5 P.M.

IN THE AFTERNOON. THAT IS HOW MUCH WORK AND IT'S SUCH A STRICT TIME CONSTRAINT TO WHERE IT IS TIMELY IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME TO DO THAT.

OR WAS IT WOULD IT HAVE BEEN MORE BENEFICIAL FOR US AS A BOARD TO HAVE BROUGHT THOSE DEPARTMENTS IN IN JANUARY, DECEMBER, THE MONTHS THAT WE TOOK OFF? SHOULD THAT HAVE BEEN THE TIME THAT WE COULD HAVE ASKED, ASKED THE DEPARTMENT TO COME AND SHARE WITH US?

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AND SO I'M THINKING IF THEY COME, IF WE SEE THEM EARLIER AND WE CAN KIND OF SEE WHAT THEIR THOUGHT PROCESSES ARE IN TERMS OF WHAT IT IS THEY NEED.

AND, YOU KNOW, JUST HAVING HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH EACH ONE OF THEM LIKE WE'VE DONE BEFORE, MAYBE THERE'S SOME INPUT WE COULD HAVE AT THAT LEVEL BEFORE IT GETS TO THE POINT WHERE YOU'RE PUTTING YOUR BOW ON IT AS A AS A PROPOSED BUDGET THAT'S GOING TO COUNCIL.

SO SOMETHING TO DISCUSS WITH CITY MANAGEMENT.

I WILL CAUTION THAT A LOT OF TIMES DURING THAT TIMEFRAME, THEY CAN'T TELL YOU DIRECTLY.

THEY CAN TELL YOU IN GENERAL WHAT YOU WILL NOT GET A TRUE BREAKDOWN BECAUSE THEY THEY GO THROUGH A LOT TOO.

AND FOR THEM, SOMETIMES IT'S A STRUGGLE TO GET IT DONE BY APRIL 14TH.

SO THAT'S WHY I SAY THIS.

THIS BOARD, IT FEELS LIKE A DOG AND PONY SHOW TO ME, JUST TO KEEP IT REAL.

IT FEELS LIKE A DOG AND PONY SHOW TO ME BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY THERE'S I MEAN, CITIZENS DON'T REALLY HAVE AN INPUT.

I MEAN, SO I GUESS I'M HEARING AND I MEAN, IF IT'S ALREADY DONE, THEN WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE? IF IT'S ALREADY DONE, THE DEPARTMENTS, THEY DON'T HAVE TIME TO SHARE ANYTHING WITH US, SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO REALLY BE HAVING ANY IMPACT ANYWHERE ELSE.

SO, I MEAN, FOR ME, IT FEELS LIKE A WASTE OF TIME, TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH.

BUT I MEAN, WE WILL STILL KNOW AS CITIZENS WHO ARE ON THIS BOARD, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S COMING DOWN THE PIKE.

BUT WHAT GOOD IS THAT? IS SOME GOOD, BUT I MEAN, YOU REALLY CAN'T IMPACT ANYTHING.

SO IT FEELS LIKE A DOG AND PONY SHOW TO ME JUST TO KEEP IT REAL.

THERE'S ALSO ONE OTHER THING THAT IMPACTED THIS PARTICULAR YEAR IS, OF COURSE, THE JUNE WHERE COUNCIL IS OFF OR WE HAD TO BACK EVERYTHING UP.

THREE WEEKS. MINIMUM OF THREE WEEKS.

SO THERE'S A PRESENTATION AT ANGELICA WOULD NORMALLY DO THE END OF JUNE THAT SHE NOW HAS TO DO IN MAY, WHICH NOW, OF COURSE, FORCES ALL DEPARTMENTS.

GET STUFF DONE THAT MUCH FASTER.

IT'S FASTER THAN NORMAL.

SO THEY ARE UNDER A TIME CRUNCH RIGHT NOW JUST TO GET THEIR BUDGET ACCOMPLISHED.

SO I'M GOING TO BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE THIS YEAR, THAT'S WHAT'S CAUSING A PROBLEM THIS YEAR.

I'M GOING TO. WHO BRING BRING US IN, BRING, BRING THE WHOLE CONVERSATION AROUND THE PRACTICES THAT HAVE OCCURRED ON THE BOARD, AT LEAST IN MY TENURE, WHICH WE HAVE THREE OUT OF OUR SIX MEMBERS PRESENT HAVE BEEN TENURED SINCE THE SAME FISCAL YEAR.

THE PRACTICES, I FEEL AS THOUGH HAVE BEEN ATTEMPTS TO GET TO ADVISING THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER CHARLIE OR LETTER CHARLIE ADVISING THE CITY COUNCIL ON SERVICE LEVEL PRIORITIES, CRITICAL CRITICAL NEEDS AND EMERGENCIES.

WE BUILT UP TO THAT LAST YEAR WHEN WE BUILT UP TO IT.

WE DIDN'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET NUMBER OR EXCUSE ME, LETTER G AS IN GEORGE THE CHAIRPERSON ME BY THE BOARD MAY GIVE A PRESENTATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL DURING THE FIRST PUBLIC BUDGET WORKSHOP BECAUSE THE AC WAS OUT IN THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS AND THE PUBLIC BUDGET WORKSHOP WAS CANCELED.

AND THEN WE HAD A MEETING.

SO WHEN MISS COLLINS FRAMES UP THAT THE JULY, IT'S GOING TO BE THE WORKSHOP AND THEN THE NEXT DAY WE'LL BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT IT.

WE HAD OUR MEETING TWO DAYS LATER AND I HADN'T HAD A CHANCE TO TALK TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND I HADN'T HAD A CHANCE TO TELL THEM WHAT WE WERE THINKING.

SO ONE AC BEING OUT IN THE BUILDING CAN ROB US OF THAT ONE OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE IN OUR BYLAWS.

SO I'M DEFINITELY UNDERSTANDING, MISS CLINKSCALES, YOUR SENTIMENTS.

FRANKLY, I SHARE THEM BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO FEEL HOGTIED.

I DON'T WANT TO DO THINGS AFTER THE FACT.

I'VE WENT THROUGH TWO FULL BUDGETING PROCESSES AND NOW ON THE THIRD, WONDERING HOW MUCH INFLUENCE I PERSONALLY WE AS A BOARD INSTITUTION CAN HAVE ON THE PROCESS.

IT'S NOT REALLY ABOUT HAVING INFLUENCE, BUT IT'S ABOUT MEETING THESE DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES.

NUMBER A IS AN ALPHA OF WHICH IS IMPROVING TRANSPARENCY AND THE COMMUNICATION OF THE BUDGET TO THE PUBLIC.

SO I DO FEEL LIKE WE'RE AT A LITTLE CATCH 22 HERE.

BUT JUST TO KIND OF BRING IT FULL CIRCLE, YOU KNOW, I THREW OUT THERE FOR A FEELINGS OF CHANGING THE WORD TO AFTER TO BEFORE.

WE'RE IN OUR POWER TO CHANGE OUR BYLAWS.

BUT MR. WOJCIECHOWSKI, DID THE JUSTICE OF LETTING US KNOW HOW THAT WOULD LAND.

I STILL WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE BOARD IN KIND OF AN OPEN WAY TO UNDERSTAND, CONSENSUS WISE, IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED IN THAT.

IF WE HAD OUR WAY AND OUR COUNCIL WANTED US TO ACTUALLY SERVE THEM IN AN ADVISORY CAPACITY, WHEN WE DO GET THE CHANCE TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT THIS, WOULD YOU ALL LIKE TO SEE THAT CHANGE TO A BEFORE, OR IS EVERYONE HAPPY WITH THE STATUS QUO SO FAR AS HOW IT'S WRITTEN? YES, FOR ME.

OKAY. MR. MACLEOD, YOU'RE TUNING IN.

YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY YES, BECAUSE I'M READING.

SECTION 713, SIR.

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FIRST TIME. WE'RE GOING TO GET A CHANCE TO SEE WHAT THE BUDGET IS, IS GOING TO BE THE PUBLIC BUDGET WORKSHOP.

AND IF THAT'S THE FIRST TIME WE'RE GOING TO GET TO SEE THE BUDGET, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO REVIEW IT TO MAKE ANY RECOMMENDED CHANGES OR EVEN DIGEST WHAT'S IN THE BUDGET. YES, SIR.

SO WE HAVE TO BE.

INVOLVED WITH THE PROCESS PRIOR TO THE FINAL BUDGET BEING PRESENTED.

NOW THAT THIS BOARD IS SET UP TO DO, I WOULD BE IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU.

AND WE SHOULD BE SEEING BUDGET PROCESS BEFORE IT GOES TO.

YOU ADVISE THEM IN THAT SHORT PERIOD OF TIME IN.

THEY GET IT AND WE GET IT.

THINK. A PROPER REVIEW AND TO MAKE SUGGESTIONS.

THANK YOU, SIR. MR. BACCUS, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? I'D JUST AGREE WITH YOU.

OKAY. AND MISS CONLEY.

AGREE TO, BUT I'D LIKE TO.

SURE. SO I UNDERSTAND HOW THE CALENDAR IS TIGHT AND LOSING.

FURTHER, BUT IN OUR BYLAWS.

PART OF WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR IS TO ENGAGE THE.

THAT'S WHERE. WE'RE ALREADY HAVING.

WE CAN DO IN.

THAT FIRST. I DON'T KNOW IF WE.

OUT.

HOW COULD WE? HOW COULD WE GROW INTO SERVING THESE DUTIES? I'M DEFINITELY PICKING UP WHAT YOU'RE WHAT YOU'RE LAYING DOWN THERE, MISS CONNELLY.

I WOULD I WOULD SAY THAT AGAIN.

ALTHOUGH ARTICLE NINE DOES GRANT US THE POWER TO AMEND THESE BYLAWS WHERE OTHER BOARD BYLAWS HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE CITY COUNCIL PROCESS, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD BE WISE TO SIMPLY DO IT AND JUST HAVE IT SHOW UP AND NOT HAVE THAT PRACTICE, RIGHT? SO I THINK THAT OUR ONLY ACTION ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM IS JUST WORKING WITH OUR CITY COUNCIL AND ASKING THEM TO HELP US UNDERSTAND HOW THEY'D LIKE US TO INTERFACE WITH THEM. SO, YOU KNOW, MAJORITY OF US SERVED WERE DIRECTLY APPOINTED, AS YOU MENTIONED, MRS CLINKSCALES MR FOSTER APPOINTED YOU, WHICH I DIDN'T TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD ON YOUR POSITIVE ENERGY AND THOUGHTS TOWARDS HIM AND IN HIS DIRECTION AND BEING AT THAT PARTICULAR FACILITY.

I KNOW HE'S SURROUNDED BY SOME SOME DILIGENT STAFF WHO I KNOW.

I KNOW YOU'RE PART OF.

I DON'T WANT TO TOOT YOUR HORN, BUT I KNOW YOU'RE A HOMETOWN HERO.

AND I KNOW THAT HOSPITAL THAT HE'S AT IS FULL OF HOMETOWN HEROES AND MR FOSTER.

WE'RE WISHING YOU THE BEST.

POINT BEING, THE MAJORITY OF US HAVE A DIRECT CITY COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE WHO SAID, THE MAYOR SAID, RANDALL, PLEASE GO AND SIT ON THIS BOARD AND SERVE IN THE CAPACITY.

I'M GOING TO TALK TO THE MAYOR ABOUT THIS AND SAY, MR. MAYOR, IN PRACTICE, WHAT DO YOU WANT BEFORE OR AFTER? AND IF HE SAYS HE LIKES IT BEFORE HE IT'S UP TO HIM TO WORK WITH THE CITY MANAGER BECAUSE HE WANTS TO GET IT RIGHT AND SO ON.

AND SO WE NEED TO TALK TO OUR COUNCIL IF THAT'S HOW WE FEEL.

SO THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE THAT, RIGHT? LET'S NOT LET'S NOT DO IT AND THEN IT NOT BE ABLE TO BE PRACTICED.

I THINK MR. WOJCIECHOWSKI IS REALLY SAVING US ONE BY BY TELLING US WHAT THE LETTER OF THE LAW IS.

NOW, THAT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE OUR DESIRE TO SERVE SUBSECTION A THERE AND TO AND TO CHANGE THE PROCESS.

BUT IT GIVES US THE REALITY OF THE FACTS.

SO I DON'T WANT TO TRANSITION OFF OF NUMBER ONE.

IF IF NOT READY, PLEASE, SIR.

GO AHEAD. I. WITH RESPECT TO YOU, SPEAKING TO THE MAYOR, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A MOTION AND A VOTE. AREN'T YOU IN LIGHT OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED, FOR YOU TO RAISE IT WITH THE MAYOR? SO IF IF IT WERE THE BOARD'S APPETITE, MR. MACLEOD, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO, WHETHER IT BE DRAFT A LETTER OR WHAT HAVE YOU, SO THAT THROUGH THE CLERK'S OFFICE WE COULD DISTRIBUTE IT TO THE WHOLE COUNCIL AT THAT POINT, BECAUSE I'M HAPPY TO HAVE JUST A, YOU KNOW, A 1 TO 1 IN THE CHAMBER.

HEY, MR. MAYOR. BUT TO BE MORE IMPACTFUL, IF YOU GUYS DID PASS SUCH A MOTION, I'D BE HAPPY TO TO CRAFT A LETTER FOR OUR DESIRE TO SERVE.

AND I'LL BE VERY SPECIFIC IN WHAT SUBSECTION WE'RE LOOKING TO CHANGE AND WHY WE'RE LOOKING TO CHANGE IT AND FLOAT THAT.

AND I'D BE HAPPY TO SUBMIT THAT ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD TO THE CITY COUNCIL AS A WHOLE.

IF YOU GUYS MAKE THAT MOTION, I'LL DRAFT IT.

SO MOVED. A LETTER, IF YOU WOULD.

SECOND. OKAY.

IT'S IT'S ALWAYS IMPORTANT THAT WHEN WE TAKE ACTION OUTSIDE THE COUNCIL, THAT IT BE DONE BY MOTION.

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YES, I AGREE WITH YOU, SIR, AND I APPRECIATE THAT SENTIMENT, MS..

CLINKSCALES. SO THE DISCUSSION IS I WAS TRYING TO GET A FEEL OF YOUR FIRST THOUGHT PROCESS WAS TO GO TO TO THE MAYOR SINCE HE ASKED YOU, YOU KNOW, TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS HIS VISION OF WHAT THIS BOARD DOES.

SO WE'RE NOW SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THIS WITH THE WHOLE COUNCIL AND IN A CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

IS THERE A WAY TO DO IT A DIFFERENT WAY, LIKE WHERE WE AS A BOARD CAN SIT WITH COUNCIL AS A.

WELL, WE CAN'T. DOES IT HAVE TO BE IN SUNSHINE, YOU KNOW, IN SO WE CAN'T LIKE COLLECT OURSELVES AND THEM IN A CONFERENCE ROOM ON A RANDOM FRIDAY.

THEORETICALLY SPEAKING COULD WE REQUEST THROUGH THE LINES THAT THEY HAVE A.

HAVE US BE.

BE PART OF A BUDGET WORKSHOP.

COULD WE SHOW UP TO A BUDGET WORKSHOP AND SIMPLY TALK TO THEM? YES, BECAUSE IT ALL EXISTS WELL WITHIN THE SUNSHINE.

IT WOULD ALL TAKE PLACE IN THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS.

I THINK THAT IT'S WHERE I'M GOING WITH TALKING TO THE MAYOR.

MAYOR IS THE ONE WHO DESIGNATED ME, FRANKLY SPEAKING, COUNCILMAN FOSTER DESIGNATED YOU.

AND FRANKLY SPEAKING, COUNCILMAN FOSTER IS THE ONE WHO WANTED TO DISSOLVE THE BOARD.

IF I WAS YOU, I WOULD, YOU KNOW, TALK TO COUNCILMAN FOSTER.

HEY, WHAT CAN WE DO TO SERVE YOU BETTER? WHAT I HEARD FROM HIM AND THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS IS THAT THAT WE COULD SERVE BETTER IF WE GAVE THEM INPUT.

THEY SPECIFICALLY ALLUDED TO HOW LAST FISCAL YEAR WE DIDN'T GIVE THEM INPUT.

THEY ACTUALLY INCORRECTLY STATED THAT WE NEVER GAVE THEM A STATEMENT.

I GAVE THEM A STATEMENT, BUT IT WAS A VERY VAGUE STATEMENT BECAUSE WE ALL AGREED ON AS A BOARD THAT NOTHING WE TOLD THEM WAS GOING TO HAVE ANY IMPACT.

SO WE JUST TRIED TO DO THE BEST WE COULD.

WE AGREED ON THAT AS A BOARD.

TO MR MACLEOD'S POINT, WE AGREED ON THAT AS A BOARD AT THE TIME THROUGH MOTION, AND IT HAD THE POWER OF THE BOARD.

UNFORTUNATELY, IT DIDN'T HIT.

SO TO MR. WHITE'S MOTION NOW AND MR. MACLEOD'S SECOND, I THINK THAT THE THEME IS TO WITH THE POWER OF THE BOARD BEHIND US, IF IT'S VOTED AS A MAJORITY, SAY WE HAD A REGULAR MEETING, WE SPOKE ABOUT OUR GOALS TO SERVE YOU IN AN ADVISORY CAPACITY.

WE TALKED ABOUT CHANGING OUR BYLAWS TO THIS, WHICH WOULD CHANGE THE BUDGET PRACTICES FUNDAMENTALLY.

STAFF INFORMED US THAT THAT WOULD BE A TOUGH ASK OUR ASK STANDS.

IT'S REALLY A STATEMENT BECAUSE WE WE DO HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE OUR BYLAWS.

WE DON'T HAVE TO ASK THEM TO DO THAT.

WE DON'T HAVE TO FORMALLY SUBMIT A LETTER OR WHATEVER.

BUT IF WE WANT THEM TO CHANGE A BUDGETARY PRACTICE, THAT IS ONLY GOING TO BE DONE.

THE CITY MANAGER SAYING THIS IS WHAT WE WANT, CHANGE, SO ON AND SO FORTH AT THE DIRECTION OF CITY COUNCIL, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE CITY MANAGER SERVES CITY COUNCIL.

I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE A WAY FOR US TO FIND OUT, TO GET FEEDBACK, TO DETERMINE HOW KNOW, WHAT IS THEIR PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT THEY EXPECT OF US AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE SO THAT MAYBE WE CAN, YOU KNOW, BE ABLE TO FULFILL IT BASED ON WHAT THE NEEDS ARE.

YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE'RE NOT SEEING HOW BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT'S WRITTEN ON PAPER, BUT EVIDENTLY IT'S WE CAN'T REALLY I MEAN, YOU CAN'T REALLY IMPLEMENT THAT AS FAR AS WHAT I'M READING. AND SO I'M JUST ASKING, IS THERE A WAY FOR US TO GET FEEDBACK? BECAUSE IF YOU DO IT THE WAY THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO IT, DO WE GET ANY FEEDBACK? RIGHT. THEY COULD JUST IGNORE THE LETTER TO YOUR POINT.

MRS. CLINKSCALES. I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, MR. MACLEOD. I'M GOING TO COME TO YOU. MR. WOJCIECHOWSKI HAS HIS HAND UP. LET'S SEE WHAT HE CAN ADD HERE.

AT THE MEETING WHERE THEY WERE TRYING TO DISSOLVE THIS BOARD, I WAS CALLED UP AND THEY ASKED MY OPINION OF WHAT WAS GOING ON.

ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS, AND I WOULD HAVE TO SAY THAT THE PROBLEM THAT YOU PROBABLY ALL AGREE WITH THIS POTENTIALLY IS THE LACK OF COMMUNICATION POTENTIALLY OF YOU GOING BACK TO THE PERSON THAT APPOINTED YOU IN THIS POSITION TO FIND OUT WHY YOU'RE SITTING HERE.

NOW, WHAT WAS THEIR GOAL TO PUT YOU ON THIS COMMITTEE? AND WHERE DID THEY WANT IT TO GO? AND I THINK THAT AS A WHOLE HAS PROBABLY BEEN THE BIGGEST.

PARR IN THIS SYSTEM.

I THINK YOU'RE ALL SITTING UP HERE ALL WELL INTENDED.

I'M NOT SURE YOU KNOW WHY YOU WERE PUT HERE, HONESTLY.

I MEAN. YOU KNOW THAT YOU'RE HERE TO HELP WITH THE BUDGET.

BUT THERE WAS A GOAL, I'M ASSUMING, TO PUT YOU ON THIS NOT JUST BECAUSE.

THAT'S THE CONVERSATION THAT I THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE WITH THE PERSON THAT PUT YOU IN THIS SEAT.

ASK, WHAT DID YOU WANT ME TO.

GIVE US GUIDANCE BECAUSE YOU ARE YOUR.

HEAR THEIR VOICE AT THIS MEETING AND YOU'RE THEIR VOICE ON THE OUTSIDE TO TALK TO CITIZENS.

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I WISH I DID PRIOR TO THIS MEETING SO THAT I COULD COME IN WITH EVEN MORE UMPH.

BUT THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING WITH SAYING I WANTED TO HAVE IT.

WE DO STILL HAVE A MOTION STANDING, MR. WHITE'S HANDS UP. BUT MR. MCCLOUD, I'M GOING TO COME TO YOU AND THEN COME BACK OVER HERE.

I JUST WANT TO RESPOND IN AGREEMENT TO LARRY.

BEHOOVES US. ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE TIME CONSTRAINTS.

HOW ARE WE GOING TO ADVISE THE BOARD OR THE COUNCIL IF WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO REVIEW THE MATERIALS? MAKE COGENT.

SO. WE EITHER HAVE TO GET IT BEFORE.

OR THE COUNCIL WILL SET UP A SPECIAL MEETING WITH US.

GET OUR FEEDBACK. YOU KNOW THE WAY IT STANDS NOW.

AMENDING IT TO BEFORE WOULD MAKE SENSE.

BUT WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT.

THE MEETING. THE WORKSHOP.

THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY OPPORTUNITY WE WILL HAVE.

SO THERE IS NOT SUFFICIENT TIME TO.

SO MY FIRST POINT WAS, I AGREE WITH LARRY TO FIND OUT WHAT IS THE PURPOSE, BECAUSE OUR GUIDELINES ARE FROM THE BYLAWS AND FROM THE BYLAWS, WE ARE NOT ABLE TO SUFFICIENTLY REVIEW THE BUDGET.

IN MY VIEW, AS WAS INTENDED IN THE FORMATION OF.

I'M TRACKING WITH YOU, SIR.

SO BASICALLY, WE'VE ALL COME TO THE CONCLUSION NOT HAVING ANY OTHER DIRECTION, THAT ALL WE HAVE IS THE DOCUMENT.

THEN IN THIS GROUP FORMAT, REVIEWING THE DOCUMENT, WE'VE COME TO REALIZE THAT THE DOCUMENT KIND OF GOES IN CIRCLES TO A CERTAIN DEGREE.

HOG TIES US, DOESN'T ALLOW US TO DO WHAT IN OTHER SECTIONS IT ASKS US TO DO.

SO YEAH, I THINK A GOOD STARTING POINT WOULD BE CATCHING THE APPETITE.

SO, MR. WHITE, I'M GOING TO COME BACK YOUR WAY.

BUT IS THAT SAYING THAT MAYBE WE WANT TO BACK OFF OF THE IDEA OF DOING A BOARD ACTION AND THAT WE MORE WANT TO FOCUS IN ON HAVING OUR ONE OFF CONVERSATIONS AND TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT AS WE MOVE ALONG? I'M JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE KIND OF SOMEWHAT RHETORICALLY.

BUT MR. WHITE, YOU HAD YOUR HAND, SIR.

YES. WITH WITH IT BEING MY MOTION, THE THE POINTS THAT WERE MADE ARE, I BELIEVE, ALL EXTREMELY VALID.

AND I DON'T BELIEVE THEY ARE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE EITHER.

THE TALKING TO THE PERSON WHO APPOINTED EACH INDIVIDUAL, EACH INDIVIDUAL TALKING TO THE PERSON WHO APPOINTED THEM IS 100%.

WHAT SHOULD BE DONE IS 100% VALUABLE.

AND THAT WAS, I BELIEVE, WHAT YOUR INTENTION WAS WHEN YOU FIRST BROUGHT UP THE CONCEPT OF TALKING TO THE MAYOR.

AND THAT IS IS FINE AND GOOD, OBVIOUSLY, AND ENCOURAGED.

EVEN THE INTENTION BEHIND MY MOTION IS TO INDEED ADD SOME EXTRA OOMPH IN SAYING THAT IT IS NOT.

IT IS ALSO NOT JUST A CONCERN OF YOURS OR A THOUGHT OF YOURS OR A QUESTION OF YOURS, BUT IT IS A CONCERN AND A QUESTION SHARED BY THE ENTIRETY OF THE BOARD.

IT BECAME VERY CLEAR VERY QUICKLY THAT THERE IS A CONSENSUS ON THESE THOUGHTS.

SO I WANTED TO MAKE AN OFFICIAL MOTION SO THAT IT WAS CLEAR THAT NOT ONLY IS THIS YOUR QUESTION, IT IS ALSO A QUESTION OF THE ENTIRETY OF THE BOARD THAT, IF POSSIBLE, WE WOULD LOVE.

WRITTEN SOMETHING DOCUMENTED ANSWER, EVEN IF HE JUST ADDRESSED IT TO THE AIR AT A COUNCIL MEETING LATER OR TO YOU DIRECTLY IN THAT CONVERSATION.

BUT JUST MAKE IT OFFICIAL THAT IN THAT QUESTION AND CONCERN YOU ARE ECHOING.

UNDERSTOOD. OKAY.

SO I THINK THAT.

MR. WHITE. WHAT? I'M HERE. I'M COMING TO YOU.

MS.. CONNELLY HERE. BUT, MR. WHITE, WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT, HEY, IN THIS WORLD, WE CAN DO BOTH THINGS.

WE CAN HAVE THIS ACTIONABLE ITEM THAT AS A BOARD YOU GUYS HAVE IN MOTION AND WE VOTE ON, AND THEN WE CAN STILL HAVE INDIVIDUAL CONVERSATIONS AND STILL SAY, HEY, YOU SEE THAT LETTER THAT CAME FROM THE CHAIR? IT'S BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO AND I JUST DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT OUR TWO NEWEST MEMBERS, MR. BACCUS AND MR. MCLEOD, THEY'RE AT LARGE.

SO IT MAKES IT A LITTLE TOUGHER FOR THEM TO DIRECTLY CALL SOMEBODY.

THEORETICALLY SPEAKING, THEY'RE GOING TO THEY'RE GOING TO PUT A NOTE INTO ALL FOUR EXISTING MEMBERS RIGHT NOW.

RIGHT. SO IT MAKES IT TOUGH FOR THESE GENTLEMEN TO HAVE THAT DIRECT.

BUT OF COURSE, IT'S STILL WIDE OPEN FOR YOU TO DO THAT.

SO, MISS CONNELLY, YOU HAD A COMMENT? I DO.

AND THE EGG, WHICH COMES FIRST FOR ME BECAUSE THIS COMMITTEE WAS FORMED PRIOR TO THE COUNCIL.

REASON THAT PERHAPS IT WAS CLEARER BACK WHEN THIS COMMITTEE AND THE OTHER COMMITTEES.

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ADVISORY BOARDS.

COUNCIL HAS DISSOLVED.

SO I THINK MAYBE.

UH, AS MR. WHITE SAYS.

AND THAT WE REALLY MAYBE NEED TO EXAMINE THE NEED FOR THIS COMMITTEE IN GENERAL.

NOT. THEN AND THEN.

SEE WHAT THE NEED OF THIS.

WILL MATCH. MAYBE THEY WON'T.

ULTIMATELY, I THINK THE PURPOSE.

EXPAND WAYS THAT CITIZENS.

EASILY PARTICIPATE.

IN. RIGHT NOW.

HAVING DIFFICULTIES. IS NO AVENUE.

THEN. SO I ACTUALLY WANTED I'LL PIGGYBACK OFF WHAT MS..

CONNOLLY WAS SAYING.

YOU KNOW, YOU THE BUDGET SCHEDULE YOU GET IS THE BUDGET SCHEDULE, RIGHT? I CANNOT MOVE THINGS MANY TIMES BY A DAY BECAUSE REGULATORY WISE I CANNOT.

SO TYING THAT INTO THESE MEETINGS, IT IS DIFFICULT AND THERE IS LIMITED TIME THAT YOU HAVE.

I'VE SPOKEN WITH SOME OTHER CITIES.

I'VE SPOKEN TO CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER FOR THE CITY OF ATLANTA, AND THERE ARE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, CITIES, COUNTIES THAT HAVE THESE TYPES OF BOARDS. BUT I THINK IN SUMMARY, WHAT.

EACH OF YOU REALLY SHOULD ASK THEMSELVES.

WHAT DO THE CITIZENS, MY NEIGHBORS, MY HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, MY FAMILY THAT LIVES IN PALM BAY, WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO THEM? THAT IS WHAT A TRUE CITIZENS BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD IS.

IT IS. SHOULDN'T BE SEVEN PEOPLE OUT OF 112,000 THAT LIVE IN PALM BAY.

SHOULD BE 112,000 PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN PALM BAY AND THE WORK.

THAT I BELIEVE THAT CAN BE DONE IS IN THE FORM OF.

EACH OF YOU HAVING THINGS EVERY MONTH WHERE YOU MEET WITH THOSE, YOU MEET WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS, YOU MEET WITH YOUR COWORKERS, WHERE YOU GATHER THAT INFORMATION, AND THEN THAT IS SHARED AND COLLECTIVELY PUT INTO A PLAN THAT IS PRESENTED. SEE WHAT THE OTHER 111,993 PEOPLE, WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO THEM.

AND IF YOU'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD FOR THAT AMOUNT OF TIME AND YOU HAVEN'T.

DONE THAT. I BELIEVE THAT IS THE.

THAT. COME TO BOARD MEETINGS POSSIBLY WITH.

YES, I REPRESENT THE CITIZENS, MY NEIGHBORS, AND I'M HERE.

BUT IF YOU DON'T ACTIVELY HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND YOU GAIN THEIR IDEA AND COME BACK WITH THOSE, THEN.

EVEN IF YOU REVIEW THINGS BEFORE CITY COUNCIL AFTER CITY COUNCIL.

TRULY, IN MY OPINION, THERE ISN'T MUCH.

SUPPORT TO THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE IT IS A CITIZENS.

ADVISORY BOARD. THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS AT A LOT OF OTHER CITIES AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE.

THIS IS WHERE YOUR IMPACT IS TRULY SHARING WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY.

AND THEN CITY MANAGEMENT AND CITY COUNCIL CAN MAKE THE DECISIONS BASED ON WHAT IS THE NEED FOR THE CITY ECONOMICALLY, PLUS WHAT IS THE NEED FOR THE CITIZENS.

WITHOUT THAT PIECE, IT'S THERE IS DIFFICULTY.

SO THAT'S JUST WHAT WHAT I SOMEHOW SEE.

SHOULD BE PEOPLE HERE.

SHOULD BE PEOPLE AT THE AT.

EVEN MY BUDGET WORKSHOPS.

SHOULD BE ATTENDANCE.

AND THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH THAT OUR END THAT WE CAN DO.

BUT THAT IS WHERE I BELIEVE THE IMPACT COULD.

MAJOR. YEAH.

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MISS CLINKSCALES. UM, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT BECAUSE I 100% AGREE.

I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT.

WHEN YOU SEE THIS PLAN.

SO WE'VE DONE THAT. WE'VE GATHERED INFORMATION FROM OUR COMMUNITY FOLKS, AND WE'VE COME BACK TO THIS BOARD AND WE PUT TOGETHER THIS DOCUMENT OF WHAT PEOPLE HAVE SAID.

WHAT THEIR CONCERNS ARE AND IN WHAT PLACE IN THIS SCHEDULE DO WE MAKE IT KNOWN SO THAT IT ACTUALLY HAS AN IMPACT, OR DOES IT NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE AN IMPACT? IT'S JUST LETTING THE CITY KNOW THAT THIS IS WHAT RESIDENTS ARE SAYING.

SO YOU HAVE MONTHLY MEETINGS.

THAT IS WHEN YOU DISCUSS THOSE THINGS.

SO I THINK.

DO YOU MEAN AT WHAT POINT IN THE PROCESS IS THE MOST PRODUCTIVE TIME TO GIVE THE INPUT, GIVE THE INPUT TO? I MEAN, IS IT ACTIONABLE? THAT COULD BE WHEN IT'S ACTIONABLE, RIGHT? YOU COULD DO THAT ONCE A MONTH.

YOU COULD. I MEAN, THAT IS UP TO HOW YOU BUILD THE PLAN.

BUT ESSENTIALLY THE MEETINGS ARE STRUCTURED AROUND CITIZENS NEEDS AND DISCUSSIONS, AND YOU CAN HAVE YOUR OWN PLAN OF HOW YOU WISH TO SAY IN THE MONTH OF JANUARY WE CAN DISCUSS THIS TOPIC OR IN THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY WE CAN DISCUSS THIS TOPIC. LET'S TAKE THAT BACK TO THE CITIZENS THAT WE MEET AND WE DISCUSS IT THE NEXT TIME.

AND THEN COLLECTIVELY YOU CAN COME UP WITH A PLAN IN THE MONTH OF JUNE AND PRESENT THAT TO CITY COUNCIL.

YOU CAN DO THAT DURING A COUNCIL MEETING OR ANY TIME OF THE YEAR.

CITIZENS NEEDS ARE CITIZENS NEEDS THERE.

MAJORITY OF THEM WILL NOT CHANGE POSSIBLY FROM THE MONTH OF JANUARY TO FEBRUARY.

SO I THINK THAT'S.

THAT'S THE LACK THAT.

MIND MELD IT INTO.

CALENDAR THAT YOU HAVE HERE.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YOUR TRAILBLAZING SOMETHING THAT IS BRAND NEW FOR YOU GUYS.

BRAND NEW. CAN'T FIT IT INTO THIS CALENDAR.

A TOTALLY NEW CONCEPT.

IF THAT'S THE ROUTE THAT YOU DECIDE TO GO WITH.

YOU'RE BRINGING BACK THE CITIZENS IDEAS VERSUS.

RANDALL, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE SAID IT A COUPLE OF TIMES AT THE COUNCIL MEETINGS, AND YOU'VE SAID IT HERE.

YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE EMPLOYEES, DIRECTORS COMING TO YOU TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED.

THAT'S THE INTERNAL PART.

WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO SAY WHAT WE NEED FOR EACH DEPARTMENT.

WE NEED.

BUT THAT'S NOT GETTING INFORMATION FROM THE CITIZENS OF WHAT YOU NEED.

I MEAN, OF COURSE THERE ARE CERTAIN DEPARTMENTS THAT IT DOESN'T MATTER, YOU KNOW, FIRE AND POLICE, THEY NEED CERTAIN THINGS AND PERIOD.

THAT'S WHAT THEY NEED.

BUT YOU ALSO HAVE A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT CITIZENS WANT.

EVER GET IT. WE'RE ALWAYS RIDING.

WE'RE RIDING OUR HORSE OF WHAT WE NEED, WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

IS GETTING THE INFORMATION BACK FROM CITIZENS.

WELL, I THINK THAT THAT IS FRANKLY DUE TO BEING IN A NEW A NEW AGE OF CITY OPERATIONS WHERE, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST GOING TO BE FRANK, YOU KNOW, THE CITY IS ACTUALLY TRYING TO BE STEWARDS OF THE TAX DOLLARS FOR THE FIRST TIME IN RECENT HISTORY IN THESE LAST FEW FISCAL YEARS, IRONICALLY.

SO MY THOUGHT I CAN ONLY THINK AND I CAN ONLY INFER IS THAT THE BOARD WAS ORIGINALLY CREATED IN THE MYTHS.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE TIMETABLE OF THE UNSCRUPULOUS PRACTICES AND THINGS GOING CRAZY AND THE LACK OF TRANSPARENCY AND THE PRESENCE OF NOT GOOD THINGS, NOW IN THE REALM OF SUNSHINE, THERE'S THIS DESIRE TO DO THINGS RADICALLY DIFFERENT THAN WE HAVE IN THE PAST.

HAVE PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT CHARGES FOR SERVICES EVEN MEANS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IN-HOUSE LABOR IS, AS OPPOSED TO SPECIAL EVENTS. TO HAVE THOSE SPECIALIZED FOLKS ON TOP OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO SERVE IN AN ADVISORY CAPACITY.

I THINK THAT'S THE SENTIMENT OF HOW IT CAME OUT, WAS THAT THE COUNCIL RECOGNIZED THAT BEING ONLY FIVE PEOPLE AND HAVING ONLY SO MUCH TIME TO UNDERSTAND ALL BUDGET HAPPENINGS, BECAUSE REMEMBER THE ARTICLE MENTIONS ALL BUDGET AMENDMENTS.

SO WHEN WE JUST PASSED THROUGH BUDGET AMENDMENTS QUARTERLY BECAUSE WE HAD TO MOVE MONEY AROUND, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT IF WE WERE TO CHANGE THE VERBIAGE TO BEFORE WE COULD SEE BEFORE AND SAY, OH, ALL THIS MONEY IS MOVING AROUND, IT'S $7 MILLION MOVING AROUND, HERE'S ALL THE LINE ITEMS, AND WE COULD BE THE FINANCE NERDS THAT WE ALL ARE, AND WE COULD LOOK AT EVERY SINGLE LINE ITEM WITH OUR RULER AND GO, HMM, THAT'S INTERESTING.

THAT'S COOL. RAISE ANY QUESTIONS, WHAT HAVE YOU, BEFORE IT GETS THE CITY COUNCIL, RAISE THAT TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

IT BE A FIRST SCREEN LIKE LIKE WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT AIR FILTERS, YOU GOT YOUR FIRST BIG PARTICULATE FILTER AND THEN YOU GET INTO THE REAL STUFF.

[01:30:05]

WE'RE PURIFYING AIR AFTER IT'S ALREADY COME OUT OF A PURIFIER OUT OF A MACHINE.

SO TO MISS CONNOLLY'S POINT, TO MISS COLLINS POINT, PERHAPS THE ENTIRE CONSTRUCT OF THE BOARD JUST ISN'T HITTING.

PERHAPS WHAT WE WILL COME TO IS THAT THE RELEVANCE AND THE NEED AND SO ON FOR THE BOARD IS NOT THERE, BUT THE NEED AND THE RELEVANCE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY IS HERE IN THIS FORUM.

AND THAT'S, I THINK, WHAT MISS COLLINS IS BUILDING ON.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT MISS CONNELLY WANTS TO SEE US GO AWAY.

I THINK SHE ENJOYS OUR KINSHIP, BUT I THINK SHE'S DOING A GREAT JOB OF RECOGNIZING THE REALITY THAT MAYBE THROUGH THE WAY THAT THIS STUFF IS DONE, IT'S JUST NOT POSSIBLE TO INSERT THIS EXTRA PARTICULATE PRE STAGE FILTER THAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO FORCE THE PEG INTO THE HOLE IN THIS FORUM.

SO I DON'T WANT TO RAMBLE ON FOR TOO LONG.

YEAH. YES, I THINK MR. WOJCIECHOWSKI HAD HIS HAND TOO, SO I JUST WANT TO GO IN ORDER OF WHAT I SAW.

DID YOU HAVE YOUR HAND? THE ONE I WAS GOING TO MISS, COLLINS HAD HER HANDS IN REGARDS TO BUDGET AMENDMENTS.

YOU ALSO WOULD HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THOSE BUDGET AMENDMENTS ARE ESSENTIALLY QUARTERLY CLEANUPS OF EVERYTHING THAT'S APPROVED AT EVERY COUNCIL MEETING.

AND YES, I DO MOVE MONEY AROUND AT THE END OF THE YEAR TO FILL UP ACCOUNTS THAT REGULATORY WISE, I HAVE TO KEEP WITHIN CERTAIN PARAMETERS.

SO OUTSIDE OF YOU REVIEWING THEM, THERE'S NO CONTROL THAT YOU WOULD HAVE AND THOSE ARE ORDINANCE CHANGES.

SO THEY ARE A LENGTHY PROCESS, BUT IT'S ESSENTIALLY A CLEANUP HOW THE CITY RUNS IT.

IT'S A CLEANUP OF EVERYTHING THAT'S APPROVED AT EACH CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

SO AT EACH CITY COUNCIL MEETING, WHEN YOU SEE THOSE AGENDA MEMOS COME UP WHERE THEY'RE ASKING FOR CERTAIN FUNDING, THAT IS WHEN YOU WOULD NEED TO RAISE THE QUESTION.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. AND REVIEW WOULD BE ALL I'D BE LOOKING FOR BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S CALLED OUT IN SUBSECTION D IS TO REVIEW THESE THINGS.

AND THAT'S ALL ANY OF US ARE LOOKING TO DO.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO INFLUENCE ANY OF IT.

THAT'S QUITE APPARENT BY HOW ADAMANTLY I AM THAT WE SHOULD NOT MAKE THE AD VALOREM TAX CAP.

AND WE DID LAST YEAR, RIGHT? IF I HAD MY WAY CHAIR OF THE BOARD, WE WOULDN'T HAVE WENT OVER THE CAP.

WE WOULD HAVE TOLD THE COUNCIL, DON'T DO IT, BUT WE DIDN'T EVEN TELL THE COUNCIL NOT TO DO IT.

WE TOLD THE COUNCIL, YEAH, IT'S KIND OF A WEIRD IDEA BECAUSE IT WAS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD TO SAY EXACTLY THAT.

AND I REPRESENTED THE BOARD.

I DIDN'T REPRESENT MYSELF.

I REPRESENT MYSELF.

IT'S KEEP THE CAP HOW IT IS.

IF I REPRESENT MYSELF, IT'S WE SHOULD HAVE ASKED TO INCREASE THE CAP ON THE ON THE BALLOT.

WE SHOULD NOT HAVE ASKED TO GET RID OF IT.

WE SHOULD HAVE ASKED TO INCREASE IT.

THE VOTERS WE COULD HAVE EDUCATED THROUGH FORUMS LIKE THIS.

WHY WE NEEDED TO INCREASE IT.

WE COULD HAVE GOT IT INCREASED. WE WOULDN'T BE IN THIS JAM WE'RE IN.

BUT TO REPRESENT THE BOARD, I DIDN'T REPRESENT THAT SENTIMENT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M INTO.

I'M INTO REPRESENTING THE BOARD AND I'M INTO REPRESENTING MY NEIGHBORS AND I AM INTO REPRESENTING THE CITIZENS.

I DON'T JUST TALK AND PONTIFICATE ON WHAT I THINK.

I TALK ABOUT WHAT EVERYONE ELSE IS FEELING IN THE SENTIMENT.

SO A LOT OF GOOD.

LARRY, A QUESTION. SURE.

GO AHEAD. I WANTED TO BUILD ON WHAT YOU SAID, BECAUSE IT'S.

SOUNDED LIKE YOU WERE TELLING US YOUR NEED.

JUST AS A PERSON WHO WORKS IN THE BUDGET OFFICE IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE US TO BRING BACK FROM COMMUNITY, WHAT ARE THEY SAYING AND WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT TO TO YOUR.

SO THE BUDGET OFFICE, DO YOU ALL KIND OF I MEAN, WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT TO YOU NECESSARILY? BE IMPORTANT TO TO MY DEPARTMENT.

I'M AN INTERNAL ORGANIZATION.

YOU KNOW, I SUPPORT.

CITY. SO THINGS THAT CITIZENS WOULD DO REALLY WOULDN'T IMPACT ANYTHING THAT I DO.

BUT IT'S ALL THE CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE WITH ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND NOT WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS.

YOU WOULD BRING BACK WOULD AFFECT OTHER DEPARTMENTS.

YOU KNOW, HOW IS FACILITIES RUN? YOU KNOW, CERTAIN ITEMS PARKS, RECREATION.

FIRE AND POLICE.

THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS, OF COURSE, THAT CITIZENS WANT AND WANT TO SEE.

ARE WE GETTING THAT INFORMATION? ARE THE DIRECTORS IN EACH ONE OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS EVER HEARING SOMETHING LIKE THAT? KNOW, WHAT WHAT DOES FACILITIES WHAT SHOULD WE BE OFFERING SOMEWHERE? I HAVE TO LEAVE IT VERY VAGUE BECAUSE I CAN'T TALK FACILITIES.

I APOLOGIZE. YOU KNOW, RECREATION.

WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE? WHAT DO CITIZENS WANT? YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN HERE FOR YEARS THAT WE KEEP OFFERING PROGRAM AFTER PROGRAM AFTER PROGRAM.

ELSE IS OUT THERE. IS THERE SOMETHING THAT.

UP IN ATLANTA.

THERE SOMETHING UP THERE UP IN ATLANTA THAT WAS LIKE, MAN, THAT WAS PHENOMENAL.

HAD TO BE BROUGHT TO US THAT WE COULD PULL THAT FROM 122,000 PEOPLE.

[01:35:01]

WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD WORK HERE? WOULD THAT BE A BUDGET? A CITIZENS BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD ROLE.

DO YOU SEE THAT? LIKE, HOW DO YOU MAKE THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THIS BOARD AND WE ARE NOW EXPANDING AND CHANGING THIS ENTIRE MAKEUP OF THIS BOARD? DEPENDING ON HOW YOU WANT TO GO WITH THIS.

ARE YOU THE FOCAL POINT? GOING BACK TO CITIZENS AND DRAWING THAT IN AND THEN YOU AS A BOARD ON A MONTHLY BASIS? HEY, I BROUGHT IN THESE 20 DIFFERENT IDEAS FROM PEOPLE THAT I WORK WITH.

YOU ALL, ALL SEVEN OF YOU HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND SAY, THIS IS OKAY.

WE SHOULD RECOMMEND MOVING THIS FORWARD AND AT LEAST PRESENTING THIS TO SOMEBODY.

THAT'S WHERE THAT'S WHERE IT STARTS GETTING FOOTING.

VERSES EACH PERSON INDIVIDUALLY OUT IN THE PUBLIC.

IT NEVER GETS ANY FOOTING.

THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING WHAT YOU WERE SAYING.

MR. MACLEOD HAS A COMMENT AND IT'S GOING TO BE CONCLUSIONARY ONE.

THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AS WELL, WHICH MR. MACLEOD IS A SECOND TO, SO.

YES, SIR. AS WE DID IN THE.

TATA. PEOPLE HAVE IDEAS.

BUT. WITHIN THE REVERSE.

INFORMATION THAT WE GLEANED.

YOU THINK WOULD HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE BUDGET? IT THEM IN OUR MEETINGS.

AND EITHER INCORPORATE THAT.

WHY? THE IDEA.

THERE'S A MECHANISM BUILT IN FOR US TO SHARE THE INFORMATION.

HIGHER. THANK YOU, SIR.

UM, OKAY, SO HERE'S WHERE WE'RE AT.

WE'RE. WE'RE ON NEW BUSINESS.

ITEM NUMBER ONE. IT'S A GENERAL DISCUSSION OF OUR BOARD BYLAWS AND PROCEDURES, GETTING EVERYONE ACQUAINTED.

WE HAD A CONVERSATION THAT LED TO ME VOICING A MOTION AND AND MR. WHITE TAKING THE EASY ROUTE AND SAYING SO MOVED.

BUT ANYHOW, ABOUT.

US TAKING A BOARD POSITION, ME REPRESENTING THAT TO THE COUNCIL, THAT IT'S OUR DESIRE FOR ONE CLARITY AND TO WHAT WAS MENTIONED IN THAT.

SO THEREFORE WAS MENTIONED IN THE MOTION IS TO REQUEST THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE ITEMS BEFORE THEY ARE PRESENTED AS OPPOSED TO AFTER.

SO I'M CALLING THAT QUESTION RIGHT NOW SO WE CAN DEAL WITH THAT MOTION.

AS YOU GUYS, THE MOTION STILL STANDS, RIGHT? SO THE MOTION, AGAIN, AS STATED, IS FOR THE CHAIR TO COMMUNICATE TO THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE REQUESTING CLARITY OF WHAT IT IS WE'RE DOING HERE.

I'LL GET BETTER WORDS AND SPECIFICALLY MENTIONING THAT IT'S OUR DESIRE TO HAVE ARTICLE SEVEN, SECTION ONE, SUBSECTION D MODIFIED, AND TO HAVE INFORMATION COME TO US BEFORE, NOT AFTER.

THAT'S THE MOTION.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE. AYE.

MISS CONNELLY DIDN'T HEAR YOU.

OKAY.

RIGHT. SO, YEAH, SO WE'LL PULL THIS, WE'LL PULL THIS BACK.

WE TEND TO VOTE. DIDN'T HAPPEN.

WE'RE IN DISCUSSION PHASE.

MISS CONNELLY, YOU WANT TO CLARIFY THE IDEA OF SEPARATING? HEY, WE SHOULD SEND A LETTER TO COUNCIL ASKING FOR GUIDANCE, AND THEN YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A BE THAT WITHIN THAT LETTER IS CONTAINED MAKING THIS SPECIFIC CHANGE.

YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEPARATE THAT INTO TWO QUESTIONS BECAUSE YOUR SENTIMENT IS DIFFERENT ON THOSE TWO.

HMM. RIGHT.

MHM. HMM.

MHM. I CONCUR WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I DO. WHERE WHERE I SEE US AT IS HAVING MADE A MOTION AND HAVING VOTED, WILL VOTE AGAIN FOR FORMALITY SAKE. BUT HAVING VOTED AND HEARD AN OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF THE TWO ITEMS, I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK FOR ANYONE AND SAY THAT EVERYONE IS IN THE FULL UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY

[01:40:01]

I RECOGNIZE THAT AS FACT.

SO THEY COULD SAY WE DON'T WANT TO CHANGE IT TO BEFORE OR AFTER BECAUSE WHAT I'M HOPING WOULD BE AN ACTIONABLE ITEM WOULD BE THAT SOMEBODY WOULD BRING THAT UP AND SAY, YES, I AGREE WITH THAT. THAT IS WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR FROM THE BOARD.

AND NOW I WANT TO ADVOCATE FOR THAT.

WE NEED ADVOCATES AMONG THE CITY COUNCIL TO TO IF WE WANT THE FUNDAMENTAL PRACTICE TO CHANGE COULD ONLY COME BY THE CITY COUNCIL ASKING THE CITY MANAGER TO CHANGE AND THEN IT WOULD ONLY FALL WITHIN ALL THE GUARDRAILS ARE FINE STAFF TONIGHT HAS THEY HAVE THEY HAVE GUARDRAILS THAT THEY'LL HAVE TO MEET NO MATTER WHAT.

SO. I THINK THAT'S WHERE TO SEPARATE THE TWO.

WE COULD. BUT WE DO HAVE JUST A GENERAL CONSENSUS OF SAYING, HEY, LET'S LET'S ASK FOR GUIDANCE AND LET'S LET'S OFFER THIS.

THEY CAN THEY CAN TAKE OR LEAVE WHATEVER WE OFFER.

UM, I THINK THAT'S WHERE IT'S AT.

UNLESS THERE'S ANY DESIRABILITY FROM THE MOTION ITSELF TO SEPARATE.

MR. WHITE DOESN'T HAVE ANY, SO I'M JUST GOING TO CALL THAT EXACT QUESTION AGAIN OF THE MOTION THAT'S ON THE FLOOR, WHICH WOULD INVOLVE THE TWO THINGS ASKING FOR GUIDANCE AND MAKING THE RECOMMENDATION ABOUT ARTICLE SEVEN.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE, AYE.

RESPECTFULLY UNDERSTOOD.

UNDERSTOOD. I APPRECIATE THAT.

MS.. CONNELLY. THANK YOU.

SO I WANT TO TRANSITION US INTO NUMBER TWO.

[2. Present schedule for FY 24 budget cycle.]

WE'VE AGREED LONG AGO AS ARTICLE FIVE CALLED FOR WHEN OUR MEETINGS WOULD BE HELD, AND NOW IT'S JUST BASICALLY GOES ON IN PERPETUITY.

AND THAT'S THE SECOND WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH, 6:30 P.M., THESE COUNCIL CHAMBERS.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE STILL ME ON THE SECOND WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH, BUT THAT WE CHANGE IT TO 6:00.

THAT'S JUST MY APPETITE.

IN ADDITION, I'M LOOKING FOR IT HERE.

WE HAVE A CURFEW.

I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT AS WE SNEAK UP ON IT.

MOMENT. FIND THE RIGHT SECTION.

AS IT. NOW SECTION SIX.

OKAY, SO I'M ON ARTICLE FIVE.

I JUST MENTIONED BASICALLY SECTION TWO IS WHERE THEY HAD THE ORIGINAL AND THEY ESTABLISHED WHAT I'M GOING TO DO JUST TO SHARE WITH EVERYBODY TO BRING NUMBER ONE FULL IS THAT ONCE MR. WOJOWSKI PROVIDES US OR WHOEVER ON STAFF PROVIDES US WITH THE ELECTRONIC FORMAT, I'M GOING TO TRY TO GO THROUGH TYPOGRAPHICALLY AND MAKE A FEW GRAMMATICAL MODIFICATIONS AND GETTING RID OF LIKE THIS INITIAL STUFF.

BUT ANYWAYS, THE CURFEW.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT OUR MEETING START AT 6:00 AND THEN SECTION SIX CALLS FOR A CURFEW TO BE 9:00, EXCEPT THAT UPON A MOTION 15 MINUTE EXTENSIONS.

I'D LIKE TO SEE SECTION SIX CHANGE TO A CURFEW OF 8:00, EXCEPT UPON A MOTION FOR 30 MINUTE INCREMENTS.

SO WHAT I'M LOOKING TO SEE IS THAT OUR BYLAWS ARE CHANGED.

AND AGAIN, WE CAN DO THIS AT OUR NEXT MEETING FORMALLY AS FAR AS I CAN GET IT ALL TYPED OUT FOR EVERYBODY, AND THEN WE CAN LOOK AT IT AND PHYSICALLY HOLD IT AND MAKE A MOTION ON ALL MODIFICATIONS.

BUT THE VISION I HAVE IS THAT WE WOULD START OUR MEETINGS AT 6:00.

THEN WHEN 8:00 APPROACHED, IF WE WEREN'T DONE WITH OUR BUSINESS, WE'D SAY, HEY, WE'RE MOVING THIS TO UNFINISHED OR BY MOTION AND VOTE.

WE COULD GO TO 830 AND WE COULD GO TO 9:00.

I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY TO PUT A RESTRICTION ON THE TIMES THAT WE ASK BECAUSE.

THE FLAVOR OF THE BOARD THAT NIGHT WILL BE.

WE DON'T HAVE THE ENERGY. LET'S GET OUT OF HERE AT 830.

BUT WHATEVER IT IS. SO WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS AS WE TRANSITION INTO A DISCUSSION FOR NUMBER TWO, THE PRESENT SCHEDULE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US PRACTICE THAT NEXT MEETING.

SO THE ONLY ASK I HAVE OF THE BOARD RIGHT NOW IS, IS THERE AN APPETITE FOR THE MEETING SCHEDULED FOR APRIL 12TH TO OCCUR IN THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT 6:00 AND FOR US TO TENTATIVELY SET THE CURFEW FOR 8:00, EVERYTHING ELSE I JUST SAID I'LL PUT INTO TYPE AND HAVE PRESENT AT THAT THAT MEETING TO CODIFY IT FOR MOVING FORWARD.

BUT I'M LOOKING FOR THAT FOR NEXT MEETING.

IS THERE ANY APPETITE FOR THAT? YES. OKAY.

YES, THAT'S FINE. I DON'T MAKE MOTIONS AS THE CHAIR.

I JUST ENTERTAIN THEM.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE GO AHEAD AND HAVE OUR APRIL MEETING AT 6:00.

ALL RIGHT. IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT? SECOND. SO MISS CLINKSCALES MOTIONS MR. MCLEOD SECONDS THAT OUR NEXT MEETING.

OH, WITH THE 30 MINUTE INCREMENTS.

RIGHT. FOR THE AFTER.

WELL, YOU DIDN'T SET THE CURFEW.

SET THE CURFEW. OKAY.

NEXT MEETING WE'LL DISCUSS THAT ACTUALLY AS PART OF THE BUSINESS.

SO WE'LL COVER IT. SO MISS CLINKSCALES MOTIONS THAT WE GET STARTED IS 6:00 ON THE 12TH, AND MR. MCLEOD SECONDED IT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE. ALL RIGHT, SO THAT'S A LITTLE HOUSEKEEPING.

[01:45:01]

HERE IN THESE COUNCIL CHAMBERS.

AND THAT IS GOING TO BE FOR WHATEVER BUSINESS WE ASK.

BUT WHATEVER ELSE ENDS UP ON UNFINISHED BUSINESS.

IF TONIGHT WE MEET THAT 9:00 CURFEW AND WE DECIDE AS A BOARD THAT WE DON'T WANT A MOTION AND WHAT HAVE YOU.

SO I JUST WANTED TO COVER THAT EARLY BEFORE WE DOVE INTO THE NEXT ITEM.

SO TO REALLY GET INTO NUMBER TWO, I THINK AT THIS POINT, I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO MR. WOJCIECHOWSKI AND MS..

COLLINS TO FRAME UP THIS WONDERFUL CALENDAR WE HAVE HELP OUR NEW BOARD MEMBERS UNDERSTAND THAT CALENDAR THAT WE WERE ALLUDING TO OF THE FISCAL YEAR PROCESS, AND LET US ALL GET A FRAMEWORK SO WE CAN ALL KNOW WHAT OUR GOALS ARE COMING INTO THE APRIL MEETING AND MOVING FORWARD.

YES. SO WHAT YOU HAVE IS YOU HAVE YOUR CALENDAR SHEET, WHICH COMBINES THE MEETINGS AND YOU DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A PRESENTATION THAT TALKS ABOUT OUR INTERNAL BUDGET PROCESS. SO JUST TO SORT OF BE CAUTIOUS OF THE TIME, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION PART ONLY AND THEN THE CALENDAR IS ESSENTIALLY A MATCH UP.

AND YOU CAN JUST KNOW WHEN YOU'RE WHEN YOUR ACTUAL DATES ARE.

AWESOME. THANK YOU. SO AS FAR AS THE BUDGET PROCESS IS CONCERNED, IT IS REALLY ABOUT A NINE MONTH PROCESS FROM START TO FINISH.

BETWEEN JANUARY AND MAY IS WHEN OUR OFFICE BEGINS ALL THE PRE-PLANNING FOR OUR BUDGET KICKOFF AND TRAINING THAT WE DO WITH OUR DEPARTMENTS IN THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY.

AND WE ACTUALLY OPEN ALL OF THE BUDGETARY MODULES IN ORDER FOR THOSE DEPARTMENTS TO ENTER YEAR END ESTIMATES AND WORK ON THEIR BASE BUDGETS.

AND THEN IN A MONTH OF APRIL IS WHEN ALL OF THE BUDGETARY REQUESTS AND CIP REQUESTS FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR DUE.

SO THAT'S APRIL 14TH.

THOSE ARE DUE TO OUR OFFICE AND THEN WE PREPARE THEM AND PUT THEM ALL TOGETHER FOR CITY MANAGER TO REVIEW IN THE MONTH OF MAY, WHICH USED TO BE IN JUNE.

BUT AS WE INDICATED, THE MONTH OF JUNE IS NOW A NO COUNCIL MEETING MONTH.

SO WE MEET WITH ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS IN THE MONTH OF MAY.

SO THAT'S 16 DEPARTMENTS AND THOSE MEETINGS ARE USUALLY OUR BUDGET OFFICE AND CITY MANAGER, BOTH DEPUTY CITY MANAGERS, AND THEN WE HAVE THE DEPARTMENT HEAD AND THEIR STAFF AND WE GO THROUGH THE BASE BUDGET FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR.

WE ALSO LOOK AT SOME HISTORICAL DATA.

SO WE LOOK AT ALL OF THEIR ACCOUNTS AND THEIR FUNDS IN TOTALITY, AND WE ALSO REVIEW ALL THE REQUESTS THEY HAVE.

AND AS WE MENTIONED, THE BUDGET WORKSHOP WHERE WE REVIEW FISCAL YEAR 23 MID-YEAR STANDINGS IS SCHEDULED FOR. MAY 23RD.

SO THAT IS RIGHT THERE AT THE LAST MONTH OF MAY.

IT USED TO BE IN THE MONTH OF JUNE, BUT AGAIN, WE HAD TO MOVE IT UP TO THE MONTH OF MAY IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THAT THAT NO MEETING MONTH WITH CITY COUNCIL.

THEN WE GO INTO THE MONTH OF JUNE.

SO USUALLY THAT FIRST WEEK IN JUNE IS WHERE WE RECEIVE OUR PRELIMINARY DATA FROM THE FROM THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE IN REGARDS TO WHAT WE MAY ANTICIPATE OUR TAXABLE HOW WE CAN DO OUR AD VALOREM TAXATION.

SO THEY SUBMIT ALL ESTIMATED TAXABLE VALUE FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR.

SO YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO REMEMBER IT'S AS OF CALENDAR YEAR CLOSE OUT.

SO WE WORK WITH 2022 NUMBERS AS OF DECEMBER 31ST AND THAT'S HOW WE PREP THE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET.

AND THOSE USUALLY COME IN THE FIRST MONTH OF JUNE AND THEN THAT IS WHEN OUR OFFICE, OUR BUDGET OFFICE SITS DOWN WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND THE TWO DEPUTY CITY MANAGERS AND STARTS PRELIMINARY LOOKING AT WHAT WE MAY POSSIBLY BE ABLE TO FUND.

SO THAT'S HAPPENS IN THE MONTH OF JUNE.

IT'S A LOT OF WORK THAT WE PUT INTO THAT.

AND THEN MONTH OF JULY, WHICH IS USUALLY THAT FIRST WEEK OF JULY, IS WHEN THE PROPERTY APPRAISER SENDS FINAL TAXABLE VALUATIONS.

SO THEY ALWAYS CHANGE A LITTLE BIT.

SOME THINGS MAY GO UP, SOME THINGS MAY GO DOWN, BUT USUALLY BY THE 1ST OF JULY, SOMETIMES IT FALLS AROUND 4TH OF JULY.

SO WE GET THEM A LITTLE LATER OR A LITTLE BIT EARLIER.

BUT THE PROPERTY FINAL TAXABLE VALUES FROM THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE COME TO OUR OFFICE AND THEN THAT TRULY ALLOWS US TO BUILD OUR FINAL PROPOSED BUDGET.

SO WHAT WE DO IS WE GO AHEAD AND TAKE THOSE VALUES AND THEN WE TAKE ALL OF THAT, THOSE THINGS THAT WE'VE KIND OF WORKED ON IN THE MONTH OF JUNE.

AND WE HAVE OUR FIRST BUDGET WORKSHOP ON JULY 11TH.

SO THAT IS WHEN CITY COUNCIL WILL HAVE THE FIRST PREVIEW OF WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED FOR THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR.

SO LEGALLY WE HAVE TO PUBLISH A PROPOSED BUDGET.

SO THAT'S A LEGAL STATUTORY ITEM.

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SO IT IS ABOUT A TWO WEEK TURNAROUND.

THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO A PROPOSED BUDGET AS FAR AS ACCOUNTING STANDARDS AND HOW WE BUDGET AND EVERYTHING HAS TO BE BALANCED.

SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 69 DIFFERENT FUNDS WHERE WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE PENSIONS INCLUDED, ALL THE TRANSFERS IN AND OUT.

SO EVERYTHING HAS TO BALANCE.

SO THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO THAT.

SO THAT IS DISTRIBUTED OR ESSENTIALLY PUBLISHED JULY 28TH AT THAT COUNCIL WORKSHOP ON JULY 11TH, CITY COUNCIL DOES HAVE THE PREVIEW OF OR PURVIEW OF HAVING A SECOND WORKSHOP.

SO WE ALWAYS HAVE A SECOND WORKSHOP ON THE SCHEDULE.

SO THAT'S CURRENTLY AUGUST FIRST.

SO THAT DOES GIVE THEM TIME TO LOOK AT THE PROPOSED BUDGET.

BUT USUALLY AT THAT JULY 11TH WORKSHOP THEY GET A GOOD IDEA OF WHERE THE CITY IS HEADING.

AND SO IT IS REALLY UP TO THEIR DISCRETION.

SO ON JULY 11TH, WE WILL KNOW IF THEY CHOOSE TO HAVE A SECOND WORKSHOP.

IF THEY WANT TO HAVE A SECOND WORKSHOP, THEN WE PRETTY MUCH PROVIDE THEM WITH INFORMATION THAT MAY BE CHANGES, MAY BE THINGS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE CHANGED BASED ON ON WHAT THEIR REQUESTS ARE AND THEREAFTER IS YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL ARE DUE ON AUGUST 3RD, SO THAT IS THE FIRST COUNCIL MEETING IN THE MONTH OF AUGUST.

SO AUGUST 3RD, YOU'VE COLLECTIVELY BETWEEN JULY 11TH WHEN WE HAD THE WORKSHOP AND THEN WHEN THE PROPOSED BUDGET IS PUBLISHED, THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD BE DUE TO CITY COUNCIL.

SO IT'S DEFINITELY IMPORTANT TO ATTEND THE WORKSHOP.

IF I THINK PREVIOUSLY THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A DISCRETION ON YOUR BEHALF ON HAVING A SECOND MEETING IN THE MONTH OF JULY.

SO IT'S WE'RE KIND OF FLEXIBLE TO THAT POINT.

BUT I BELIEVE THERE WERE SOME TIMES WHEN WE ACTUALLY SCHEDULED A SECOND MEETING TO REVIEW THESE TYPES OF THINGS.

UM, SO THEN, YOU KNOW, IF CITY COUNCIL CHOOSES NOT TO HAVE A SECOND WORKSHOP SO THAT ULTIMATELY FOR IDEALLY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS THIS FOR THE PROPOSED BUDGET TO MOVE INTO THE ADOPTION PHASE.

SO THE ADOPTION PHASE FOR US IS IN THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER WHERE WE HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS AND USUALLY THE FIRST WEEK OF SEPTEMBER I HOST THEM RIGHT AFTER LABOR DAY AND THEN THAT THIRD WEEK OF SEPTEMBER, AND THAT'S WHEN WE OFFICIALLY ADOPT THE BUDGET AND THEN THAT IT BECOMES APPROVED.

AND COME OCTOBER 1ST, IT GOES INTO EFFECT.

SO BETWEEN JULY AND AUGUST, IT'S REALLY DEPENDING ON WHAT COUNCIL'S DISCRETION IS.

ON HAVING THAT SECOND WORKSHOP.

AT THE FIRST WORKSHOP, THEY CAN DECIDE, YES, YOU KNOW, WE WE BUILT A BUDGET ABOVE A 3% CAP, BUT WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE INTO THE SECOND WORKSHOP WITH THE 3% CAP OR VICE VERSA.

THEY SAY, YES, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PRESENTING IT AS THE 3%, BUT THEIR INTENT IS TO WANT TO SEE IT WITH A HIGHER RATE, WITH ADDITIONAL AD VALOREM TAXATION.

SO WE DO THAT. SO THAT'S REALLY THEIR DISCRETION ON WHERE WHERE THEY'D LIKE TO GO.

BUT IDEALLY WHAT HAPPENS REALLY IN THE MONTH TOWARDS THE MONTH OF AUGUST, TOWARDS THE END OF THAT MONTH, UM, NO ADDITIONAL CHANGES ARE TRULY MADE TO, TO THE BUDGET AND THAT IS A REGULATORY ITEM.

YES. THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING LEGALLY THEY CAN STILL MAKE CHANGES.

HOWEVER, IT IS NOT A COMMON OCCURRENCE.

SO WITH AS FAR AS AN ORDINANCE ADOPTION, THE BUDGET IS ADOPTED VIA AN ORDINANCE.

THEREFORE IT DOES REQUIRE TWO READINGS.

SO THOSE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT AND WE TRY TO TRULY WRAP UP THE BUDGET PREPARATIONS IN SORT OF TOWARDS THE LATER PART OF JULY AND EARLY AUGUST JUST IN ORDER TO MEET OUR REGULATORY TIMELINES.

SO EACH THE PRESENTATION GOES INTO MORE DETAIL.

IT GIVES YOU ALL THE DATES.

AND THEN AGAIN, THE CALENDAR KIND OF TIES YOUR MEETINGS INTO JUST A VISUAL THING.

BUT IN A NUTSHELL, THAT IS THE BUDGET PROCESS THAT THAT WE FOLLOW.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

WE HAVE QUESTIONS, FOLKS.

THANK YOU, MS.. COLLINS.

A NICE, NICE SUMMARY.

I LIKE THE VISUAL. ANY INQUIRIES.

I HAD MISTAKENLY. ST IN LIGHT OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.

NIGHT ABOUT MORE CITIZEN ENGAGEMENT, MORE CITIZEN INPUT.

I'M LOOKING AT A FIRST AND A SECOND PUBLIC HEARING.

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PRETTY MUCH AFTER THE PROCESS.

DESCRIBED. SO.

WE WERE AS A CITIZENS.

REPRESENTATIVE OF CITIZENS.

WHAT WOULD BE YOUR THOUGHTS? CITIZENS. WHAT WOULD BE THE IDEAL? WHAT WOULD BE THE VISION HAVE? LIKE HEARING TO HAVE CITIZENS COME AND ASK QUESTIONS, TO HAVE CITIZENS COME AND.

DIRECT INPUT. WHAT WOULD BE THE PURPOSE FOR THEM AT THIS LATE? SPEAKING IN REGARDS TO THE SEPTEMBER PUBLIC HEARINGS.

YES. SO THE SECOND THE FIRST AND THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING IS A STATE REGULATORY METHOD OF ADOPTING A BUDGET.

IT'S MORE ABOUT ADOPTING.

NOT SO MUCH AN AVENUE FOR CITIZEN INPUT.

THAT IS A SO ALL GOVERNMENTAL UNITS, REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU ARE, INCLUDING SCHOOL BOARDS, ARE ALL REQUIRED TO HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS.

AND THOSE HEARINGS, IT'S ESSENTIALLY CALLED A PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT PUBLIC.

HOWEVER, WHILE LEGALLY, YES, YOU CAN MAKE CHANGES DURING THE FIRST MEETING.

HOWEVER, IF THERE IS NO DECISION MADE ON THE FIRST HEARING, YOU WILL BE OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH THE STATE, MEANING THEY WILL HOLD ALL OF YOUR REVENUE UNTIL YOU COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE STATE YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE IN OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH STATE REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS.

THERE IS AMPLE BUDGET WORKSHOPS THAT HAPPEN, EVEN REVIEWING CURRENT YEAR DATA IN THE MONTH OF MAY. SO WE TRULY HAVE THREE WORKSHOPS WHERE FROM A PUBLIC STANDPOINT, CITIZENS CAN ATTEND.

WHETHER IT'S THE CITIZEN BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD PRESENTING THEIR FINDINGS, PRESENTING THEIR REPORTS, THAT IS ABOUT HOW YOU STRUCTURE WHATEVER VISION YOU SEE, HOWEVER THE CALENDAR.

YOU GO TO OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, YOU WILL FIND.

IT'S NOT IDENTICAL, BUT YOU WILL FIND THE SAME CALENDAR AMONGST ALL GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES.

THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER AND EVEN I WILL CAUTION IN THE MONTH OF AUGUST.

THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER IS A LEGAL REQUIREMENT TO DO.

AND. IT IS NOT ADVISED TO WHILE IT'S STILL PUBLIC.

SO ANYONE CAN COME UP AND SPEAK AND VOICE THEIR CONCERNS.

HOWEVER, THE.

WORKSHOPS, IN ADDITION TO THE CITIZENS BUDGET ADVISORY MEETINGS ARE THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO REVIEW THAT INFORMATION. THAT.

AND I DO SEE.

MAY IN JULY AND AUGUST.

SO THAT JUST GIVES ME SOMETHING.

THINK ABOUT AND BE CHALLENGED BY.

A GROUP. TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET.

WHAT? NOT GOING TO CHANGE.

THE TIMES. TERRIFYING.

THANK YOU, MISS CONNELLY, FOR THAT QUESTION THAT THAT PROVIDED SOME SOME GOOD CLARITY ON THE RESPONSE.

THANKS, MISS COLLINS.

OTHER INQUIRIES ABOUT THE PROCESS OVERALL, HOW IT WORKS? NO. OKAY.

SO. WELL, LOOK HERE.

JUST AS WE TRANSITION.

I THINK I JUST WANT TO DOUBLE CLICK, AS I SAY, ON ON THE SENTIMENT HERE IS THERE IF WE WE ALWAYS WANT TO RECOGNIZE THE FACTS, RIGHT? SO IF WE WANT TO RECOGNIZE WHERE THE MOST VIABLE AREAS ARE, IF WE WANT TO LIVE TO SUBSECTION A AND THOSE DUTIES AND INCREASE TRANSPARENCY AND INFORMATION WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, FOCUSING IN ON INFORMING OUR FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT THE BUDGET WORKSHOPS ARE WHERE THEY WORK THROUGH THINGS AND THE HEARINGS ARE WHERE THEY SAY, HEAR YE, HEAR YE, THIS IS WHAT WE DECIDED.

I DO IT TWICE SO THAT NO ONE CAN SAY, HEY, WE DIDN'T HEAR.

BUT IT IS THE WORKSHOPS WHERE THINGS HAPPEN, WHERE THE WORK GETS DONE.

SO LET US ALL HANG ON TO THAT SENTIMENT VERY TIGHT.

NOW, WITH THAT BEING SAID, COME UP AT 830 ON THE HOUSE CLOCK.

REMEMBER, WE HAVE THAT.

9:00 CURFEW FOR THIS BOARD.

WE HAVE SEPTEMBER EXCUSE ME, NUMBER THREE, DECEMBER 20TH, 22, MONTHLY FINANCIAL REPORT.

[3. December 2022 Monthly Financial Report]

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ACTUALLY, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT'S IN THE PACKAGE HERE, AND THEN I WANT TO TALK ABOUT FUTURE.

PERFECT. WHAT? I WANT TO BE PRESENTED TO YOU.

UH. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS EVERY MEETING YOU'RE GOING TO GET THIS BEFOREHAND, FROM HERE ON OUT, YOU'RE GOING TO RECEIVE THE MONTHLY FINANCIAL REPORT THAT IS PRESENTED TO COUNCIL, THE LATEST ONE THAT'S BEEN SEEN BY COUNCIL.

I WILL PROVIDE TO YOU OR WE WILL PROVIDE TO YOU.

AND ALSO YOU'LL GET A QUARTERLY BUDGET MONITORING REPORT THAT ANGELICA PUTS TOGETHER.

OF COURSE, YOU WON'T GET THIS EVERY MONTH BECAUSE IT'S ONLY QUARTERLY.

SO JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, I WANT TO GIVE THIS TO YOU.

EVERY TIME. IF THERE'S TWO OF THEM THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED, LIKE FOR THE TWO OF THEM.

I WANT TO GIVE IN ADVANCE SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT WE ARE GIVING THE COUNCIL.

SEE HOW THE MONEY IS FLOWING THROUGH THE CITY, HOW WE'RE SPENDING IT BECAUSE IT SHOWS IT.

PRETTY DETAILED.

THEN THIS CAME ACTUALLY FROM KNOW FROM AN AUDIT AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

ON REQUESTING HOW WE PRESENT TO COUNCIL AND TO CITIZENS.

I DON'T EXPECT FOR US TO GO THROUGH THIS TONIGHT BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION THAT THERE WAS NO INTENT OF EVEN DOING THAT.

I JUST WANTED TO GIVE THIS TO YOU SO YOU CAN SIT AND LOOK AT IT AND SEE WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET NOW ON A MONTHLY BASIS FROM US OR FROM ME.

SO THEN YOU'LL GET IT FIVE DAYS IN ADVANCE.

AND THEN AT THAT TIME IS WHEN QUESTIONS CAN COME BACK WHEN WE ACTUALLY HAVE OUR THE MEETING.

QUESTIONS. AND IF WE CAN'T ANSWER IT AT THAT TIME, WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT IT GETS BACK TO YOU.

WELL, THANK YOU, SIR, AND THANK YOU FOR THAT CONTEXT, BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF WHAT EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING.

I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WHAT YOU AND STAFF HAD PLANNED FOR US FOR NUMBERS THREE AND FOUR.

BUT IN MY HEAD I WAS LIKE, MAN, WE SHOULD TAKE THESE, DIGEST THEM AND HAVE A VENUE TO BRING IT BACK.

LO AND BEHOLD, YOU'RE SETTING UP THE PERFECT CONTEXT THAT UNDERSTAND BOARD MEMBERS WE'RE GOING TO WE GOT THIS ONE NOW SO WE CAN WE CAN MARINATE, WE CAN LOOK THROUGH IT AT OUR LEISURE. WE'LL GET ANOTHER ONE AHEAD OF THE NEXT MEETING BETWEEN THIS ONE AND THAT SECOND ONE.

WE CAN BRING THOSE QUESTIONS INTO THE APRIL MEETINGS.

WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING. CORRECT.

AND WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.

I LOVE THAT. AND I JUST WANT TO SAY BEFORE I PASS THIS TO THE BOARD FOR ANY OTHER INQUIRIES, THAT THAT IS REALLY IN THE VEIN OF, I THINK, SERVING INTO THESE DUTIES THAT WE OUTLINED IN OUR EARLIER CONVERSATION.

AND THAT'S EVEN SERVING INTO THE VEIN OF THE CURRENT WORDING OF LETTER D, YES, THIS HAS ALREADY WENT THROUGH TO COUNCIL, BUT HEY, IT IS STILL VERY USEFUL FOR IT TO ACTUALLY COME THROUGH AND SEE IT AND BE ABLE TO EXERCISE IT IN THIS VENUE.

SO THANK YOU, SIR, FOR IDENTIFYING THESE TWO AS AS GOOD RESOURCES FOR US TO GET THE PICTURE.

PLEASE DO. AS FAR AS THE FINANCIAL REPORT IS CONCERNED, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE PROVIDE ON A MONTHLY BASIS.

IT'S THE SAME VERBIAGE.

IT'S THE SAME, YOU KNOW.

CHANGES JUST WITH PERCENTAGES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

NOW, WITH YOUR EYES LOOKING AT THIS, WE CAN ACTUALLY CHANGE THIS.

IF YOU SEE SOMETHING IN HERE THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO A CERTAIN POINT, WE CAN CHANGE IT.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE PRESENTING TO CITIZENS AND THIS IS A PERFECT.

THAT'S YOUR JOB. LOOK AT IT AND TELL US HOW IT NEEDS TO BE PRESENTED IN A IN A BETTER FORMAT WHERE IT COULD BE UNDERSTOOD BY THE CITIZENS.

VERY, VERY USEFUL.

THANK YOU AGAIN, SIR, BECAUSE THIS REALLY SERVES INTO OUR PRIOR CONVERSATION.

DOES ANYONE HAVE INQUIRIES ON WHAT MR. WOJCIECHOWSKI IS SAYING? MAYBE YOU JUST SLIPPED THROUGH A COUPLE OF PAGES AND AN ITEM DID CATCH YOUR EYE THAT YOU WANT TO ASK ABOUT THAT'S GOING TO HELP YOU DIGEST IT A LITTLE BETTER LATER ON.

ANYTHING? AND IT COULD BE ON EITHER ONE.

WE'RE ON ITEM NUMBER THREE.

BUT EITHER REPORT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT IN IN SKIMMING OVER THIS MONTH, THE FINANCIAL REPORT, IT ANSWERS SOME OF THE EARLIER QUESTIONS WE HAD WITH RESPECT TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT GENERAL FUNDS PAID FOR.

AND, YOU KNOW, SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU FOR, FOR SHARING THAT.

MR.. MCLEOD AND, AND I'M EXCITED TO HEAR YOU SAY THAT.

AND BECAUSE WE'VE TALKED ON THE BOARD PREVIOUSLY THAT WE TRULY JUST CAN'T GET ENOUGH REPORTING AND INFORMATION TO DIGEST.

WE REALLY HAVE GENERAL CONSENSUS THAT WE APPRECIATE THESE STRUCTURED THINGS THAT ALLOWS US TO LOOK AT THEM.

AND TO MR WOJCIECHOWSKI'S POINT THERE, THAT'S WHAT WILL ALLOW WE'RE WE'RE SEVEN CITIZENS THAT ARE FOCUSED ON THIS STUFF.

IF MONTH IN, MONTH OUT, WE CAN'T READ IT, WE'RE GOING TO BE LIKE, HEY, THE NORMAL MAN OR WOMAN CAN'T READ THIS STUFF.

GUYS, HELP US OUT AND YOU'RE GOING TO HELP US OUT IN IN YOUR VERY COMMUNITY FRIENDLY OUTREACH FORWARD WAY THAT YOU GUYS ALWAYS DO COMMUNICATE.

SO I DEFINITELY RESPECT THAT AND APPRECIATE IT.

ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? COMMENTS? YES. I REALLY WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THIS BECAUSE I WAS THINKING ABOUT SOME OF THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS THAT I KNOW HAPPEN EVERY MONTH TO BE ABLE TO TAKE SOMETHING LIKE

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IT MAKES IT MUCH EASIER TO DO YOUR RECOMMENDATION.

NOW I CAN SEE HOW IT REALLY CAN BE DONE.

THANK YOU. RIGHT? YES. I ALSO JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.

THANK YOU BOTH SO MUCH FOR THIS, THIS AND THIS.

NOT JUST NOW, BUT IN THE FUTURE AS IT GOES ON.

IT'S GOING TO BE, I BELIEVE, EXTREMELY VALUABLE TO THE PROCESS AND TO US AS BOARD MEMBERS AND TO THE PUBLIC THAT WE COMMUNICATE WITH AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BECAUSE THESE THERE'S THERE'S NOTHING PROTECTED ABOUT THESE.

WE COULD SEND THEM TO OTHER PEOPLE AS WELL.

PUBLIC RECORD YOUR OWN NEWSLETTER OF PEOPLE THAT WANT TO WANT A COPY OF THIS WHEN IT COMES THROUGH TO FORWARD IT ALONG TO AND ALSO A FANTASTIC INSIGHT AND IDEA OF. AN.

RIGHT IN A WAY, RUN IT THROUGH THE PURIFIER, SO TO SPEAK, TO SEE IF WE CAN GET IT MORE AND MORE IF NECESSARY.

READABLE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC IS A VERY VALUABLE.

WELL. THANK YOU, MR. WHITE. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? CONNELLY. I HAVE A COUPLE.

BUT FIRST I WANT TO.

HUGE. THANK YOU FOR. FOUNDATION FOR WHAT? US. APPLE.

REALIZING WE'RE ON THE VERGE OF.

DIFFERENT. SECOND THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THE IDEA OF.

I REALLY? FACT, EVERYBODY ON THIS BOARD.

BRINGING QUESTIONS.

AND IN A WAY, WE'RE MODELING WHAT WE WANT.

WE JUST HAPPENED TO HAVE MORE INFORMATION RIGHT NOW THAT HELPS US VERBALIZE.

IDEA MIGHT BE THAT IN THE THREE MINUTE PRESENTATIONS AT.

SHARE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS.

SOURCE FROM US.

ON THE. AND.

WHITES.

UM. I THINK.

BUILDING BEGINNING TO BUILD ON THIS GENERAL FUND IDEA THAT THIS IS WHERE.

UH, YOU KNOW HOW MISS COLLINS HAD SAID SOMETHING ABOUT GIVING A REPORT? BE MORE REFLECTIVE OF.

CITIZENS DON'T EVEN KNOW THEY HAVE.

FOLLOWING THAT, THERE WAS A SPECIAL WORKSHOP OF CITY COUNCIL LAST NIGHT, A DISCUSSION OF THE MAJORS.

UH, GOLF COURSE.

PART OF THAT.

BE INTERESTING FOR THOSE OF US.

I WAS THERE. AS THEY SUZANNE SHERMAN, OUR CITY MANAGER, WAS PRESENTING THAT THE STAFF HAD BEEN CHARGED.

BACK TO THE CITIZENS.

LARGE CITIZENS GROUP 250.

I HEARD THIS ROOM WAS FILLED.

WANTING THE CITY TO.

ON PARKS AND RECREATION.

OF COURSE. FIGURE A WAY.

SERVE THIS. MAKE THIS A VIABLE GOLF COURSE AGAIN.

IN MISS SHERMAN'S REPORT AND EVERYBODY.

VERY THOROUGH. SHE DID MENTION IMPACT FEES AND.

UH, THAT COULD BE USED EITHER IN A PURCHASE OR.

ASIAN. BUT I.

QUESTION THIS MIGHT BE AN AVENUE FOR US TO GET INVOLVED WITH.

SO WE MIGHT.

HAVE A REAL LIFE SITUATION OF WHERE WE COULD BE BENEFICIAL.

UM. AND AS WELL AS ONE OF THE CITY COUNCIL LEFT IT.

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WANTING SOMETHING TO.

HAPPEN WITH THE MAJOR'S GOLF COURSE TO PRESERVE ITS ORIGINAL.

THE ORIGINAL FEATURE. OUR CITY AND EVERYBODY IS LOOKING FOR A WAY TO MAKE THAT.

AND. COMES BACK TO MONEY.

COMMUNITY COUNCIL PARTNERSHIPS.

BUSINESSES CONTRIBUTING.

THERE WERE ALL SORTS OF.

UM. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I CARRIED AWAY WAS.

UH, ONE OF THE THINGS ONE OF THE GENTLEMEN MENTIONED IS, WELL, WHEN YOU NEGOTIATE, YOU HAVE TO.

AND THE WHOLE IDEA OF PERHAPS.

A LAND SWAP.

I THINK. AND AND TO THE.

YEAH. THANKS, MISS CONNELLY.

MR. WHITE. I WOULD AGREE WITH WITH THAT.

I THINK YOU'VE TOUCHED ON SOMETHING THAT'S ALMOST PRIMAL WITH REGARDS TO THE NATURE OF THE BOARD.

IT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT HERE AND THERE BY ALMOST EVERYBODY.

A WAY. THAT'S A WAY RIGHT THERE.

A GREAT EXAMPLE OF TAPPING INTO SOMETHING SOMEONE CARES ABOUT TO MAKE THEM REALIZE THAT THEY HAVE EVERY REASON TO CARE ABOUT THE BUDGET.

THEY WOULD KNOW. SO MANY RESIDENTS HAVE NO IDEA THAT THEY CARE ABOUT THE BUDGET.

THEY WOULD NOT TELL YOU THEY DO BECAUSE THEY DON'T THINK THEY DO.

BUT THEY DO. THEY WANT THE CITY TO BUY THE GOLF COURSE.

WELL, THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A LOT OF MONEY TO BUY THE GOLF COURSE.

THEY WANT THE CITY TO DO THIS, THAT THE OTHER THING, BUILD THIS PARK, FIX THAT BROKEN THING, YOU KNOW, MAKE THE ROADS AUTOMATICALLY PRODUCE FLYING CARS.

IT'S GOING TO TAKE MONEY.

SO FINDING SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT, LIKE THE GOLF COURSE AND SAYING IF YOU WANT SOMETHING DONE THERE IN PARTICULAR, YOU WANT THE CITY TO BUY IT OR YOU WANT THE CITY TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

EVERYTHING COSTS MONEY, SOME AMOUNT, SOME SITUATION, SOME WAY.

WE'LL GET INVOLVED IN THE BUDGET, FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON, AND THEN MAYBE WHEN YOU BRING YOUR REQUESTS.

I'LL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A MUCH MORE COHESIVE PICTURE INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING I HAVE PROBLEM, PLEASE FIX.

I HAVE AN IDEA FOR SOLVING THIS PROBLEM.

WHAT IF YOU DID THIS? STOP DOING THIS AND DID THIS INSTEAD? TAPPING INTO SOMETHING THAT THEY ALREADY KNOW THEY CARE ABOUT IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION.

ALLIED. VERY SOUND PHILOSOPHY THERE, SIR.

THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE SUBJECT? MR CLINKSCALES. YEAH, GO AHEAD.

UM, I GUESS I HAD A SPECIFIC QUESTION.

WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THIS MONTHLY FINANCIAL REPORT, IS THERE A SECTION IN HERE THAT HIGHLIGHTS ASSETS THAT THE CITY HAS? LIKE, DOES THAT GO INTO IS THAT CONSIDERED EVERY MONTH OR IS THAT SOMETHING LIKE PROPERTY? BECAUSE I KNOW SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT I'M WORKING WITH ARE INTERESTED IN CITY PROPERTY THAT ARE JUST SITTING DORMANT AS A PART OF SOME COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. AND SO HOW DO WE IS THAT IN HERE ANYWAY? IT IS NOT IN THIS REPORT.

THIS IS JUST MORE OF THE FINANCIALS OF.

BE LOOKING AT MORE AT THE END OF THE YEAR WHEN WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING ASSET MANAGEMENT.

DOING INVENTORY OF ALL OUR PROPERTIES.

THAT WOULD BE LIKE A ONCE A YEAR AT THE END OF THE YEAR.

WELL, I'M CATALOG THE PROPERTIES THAT THE CITY OWNS.

WHICH DEPARTMENT DOES THAT THAT IS ARE ACTUALLY HIRING AN ASSET MANAGER.

HAVE A BRAND NEW POSITION AND THE POSITION POSITION IS ACTUALLY BEING ANNOUNCED RIGHT NOW AND IT WILL BE IN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.

IT WILL ACTUALLY FALL UNDER FINANCE.

OH, OKAY. MR. BOLGER IS HOSTING INTERVIEWS BECAUSE THE CURRENT CONSTRUCT IS THROUGH WHATEVER MEANS.

I THINK IT IS CURRENTLY THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE MECHANICALLY DOES IT, BUT IT IS DECLARED SURPLUS THROUGH THE CITY COUNCIL PROCESS.

SO THEY DECLARE A SURPLUS.

THEN IT ACTUALLY GOES OVER TO THE PROCUREMENT DEPARTMENT TO GET RID OF IT BECAUSE IT'S SURPLUS PROPERTY AT THAT POINT.

SO IF YOU HAVE ANYBODY THAT'S LOOKING RIGHT NOW TO ACQUIRE SOMETHING THAT THE CITY HAS AND WANTS TO GET RID OF, GO THROUGH, GO TO PROCUREMENT AND ASK AND START YOUR JOURNEY

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THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. BUT THAT'S INTERESTING, SIR, TO TO HEAR THAT AND UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND THAT WILL PROBABLY EVEN CHANGE THE FACT OF OR MAYBE INFLUENCE PROCUREMENT TAKING, BECAUSE IT WILL BE NOT JUST FOR REAL ESTATE.

IT WILL PROBABLY THAT'S GOING TO BE IN THE ASSETS.

YEAH. YEAH.

BECAUSE AGAIN, IN THE EARLY 60S WE HAD A LITTLE CITY HALL AND MAYBE A CITY VEHICLE TO MANAGE, BUT NOW IN THE YEAR 2023 AND YOU LOOK AROUND AND YOU'RE LIKE, HOLY MOLY, WE NEED SOMEONE TO JUST COUNT HOW, HOW MANY CARS WE HAVE AND WHICH ONES ARE SURPLUS AND WHICH ONES WE NEED TO GET RID OF AND EVERYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO MANAGE OUR ASSETS.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT ADDED TEXTURE, SIR.

OTHER QUESTIONS OR INQUIRIES ON THESE REPORTS OR MECHANICALLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.

SO, OKAY, SO I THINK WE'RE DRAWING OUR MEETING TO A CLOSE.

I'M GOING TO KIND OF INFORMALLY MOVE INTO NUMBER FOUR.

AND I ASKED AND I ASK WE SAW THESE TWO REPORTS VERY EXCITED THAT WE'RE GOING TO MEET AGAIN ON THE 12TH OF APRIL AT 6:00 HERE IN THESE CHAMBERS.

[4. First Quarter Budget Monitoring Report]

THE FULL DETAIL OF ALL THOSE ACCOUNT NAMES AND FIGURES PERTAINING TO THE GENERAL FUND SPECIFICALLY FOR THOSE CHARGES FOR SERVICES WE SPOKE ABOUT, WE'LL BE ABLE TO REFERENCE THE SENIOR CENTER AND ITS GRANT FUNDING.

AND IF WE HAVE FOLLOW UP INQUIRIES, WE'LL BE ABLE TO REVIEW THESE REPORTS AND BE ABLE TO BRING SOME FOLLOW UP INQUIRIES.

I'LL BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE TO COUNCIL IN A FORMAL WAY THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION, BUT WE'LL ALL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY.

I'M REMISS IF I DON'T MENTION THAT YOU DON'T HAVE COUNCILMAN TO INTERFACE DIRECTLY WITH RIGHT NOW EITHER, MISTER WHITE, BUT WE'LL ALL ON OUR OWN ACCORD TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO INTERFACE WITH THE COUNCIL DIRECTLY TO JUST CONTINUE TO GET SOME GUIDANCE.

BUT I LOOK FORWARD TO COMING AND TALKING WITH ALL YOU GUYS AGAIN ON THE 12TH AND JUMPING INTO THIS FISCAL YEAR'S BUDGET PLANNING PROCESS OVERALL.

BUT AGAIN, SETTING THE COURSE FOR THE INSTITUTION THAT IS THIS BOARD SO IT CAN OUTLIVE THE SIX, SEVEN OF US THAT ARE HERE.

BUT I JUST WANT TO THANK EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU FOR JOINING US TONIGHT AND FOR OVERALL MAKING THE COMMITMENT TO JOIN THE BOARD.

I WANT TO THANK OUR STAFF HERE FOR PUTTING IN THE OVERTIME.

AND AT THAT, I'M GOING TO CALL THIS MEETING ADJOURNED AT 847 ON THE HOUSE CLOCK, IF I COULD, JUST BEFORE I HIT THE BOOK THERE.

BEFORE YOU HIT THE BOOK, I'M SURPRISED YOU HAVEN'T BOUGHT A GAVEL, BY THE WAY.

NO. I DO WANT TO JUST INFORM YOU AND THE BOARD I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ATTEND THE NEXT MEETING APRIL 12TH.

UNFORTUNATELY, I WILL BE OUT OF TOWN VISITING FAMILY.

BUT IF I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS KNOWN BEFOREHAND AND IF I COULD STILL BE SENT, THE INFORMATION WILL BE MEETING THE AGENDA.

AND AND IF THERE ARE ANY DOCUMENTS PRESENTED THAT AREN'T SENT OUT WITH THE AGENDA, IF YOU COULD SEND THEM TO ME AFTERWARDS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SAFE TRAVELS, MY FRIEND.

HMM. WHICH ONE? ABOUT. DID I GET AS FAR AS AS FAR AS WHAT YOU NEED TO RECEIVE? RIGHT. THAT WAS MY FOLLOW UP ITEM I MISSED.

MR. WOJCIECHOWSKI IS GOING TO MAKE SURE THE CLERK GETS YOU AS WELL AS MR. MCLEOD, YOUR NEW ORIENTATION, SO TO SPEAK.

YOU SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN THE PACKAGE AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

AND I DO NOT KNOW WHY YOU GET THE SUNSHINE LAW.

YOU GET THIS EXACT STUFF.

YOU GET THE SUNSHINE LAW, YOU GET THE ETHICS, YOU'LL GET OUR BYLAWS, SO ON AND SO FORTH.

SO LARRY IS GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THAT AS WELL.

ALL RIGHT. MEETING ADJOURNED.

THANK YOU ALL.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.