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SO GOOD EVENING. IT APPEARS TO BE 1800 HOURS.
I'M GOING TO CALL THIS JOINT WORKSHOP TO ORDER.
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WE'RE GOING TO START THIS WITH A PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.SO, YOU KNOW, MR. GUAM, YOU LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE, SIR, WE HONOR YOUR SERVICE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
THANK YOU. ROLL CALL, MISS LESLIE.
WHO IS ABSENT? MISS SHERMAN HERE.
THE NUMBER ONE ITEM ON THE AGENDA, I'M GOING TO DEFER TO MISS SHERMAN AND GET US STARTED.
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THANK YOU, MAYOR. I ALSO THANK THE BOARD FOR JOINING US AND COUNCIL FOR CALLING THIS WORKSHOP.FRANK WATANABE WILL TAKE THE LEAD ON THE BULK OF THE PRESENTATION.
I'LL HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL COMMENTS AT THE END.
AMONG OTHER THINGS, I KNOW FRANK HAS BEEN KEEPING THE IOB BOARD UP TO SPEED AS HE'S GONE THROUGH AND WE'VE BROUGHT SOME REPORTS TO COUNCIL, BUT THIS IS AN IMPORTANT TIME, I THINK, FOR US TO TALK THROUGH THE REALITIES OF WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY AND THEN ALSO TO GIVE YOU NOT JUST SOME RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT ALSO SOME PERSPECTIVE ON KEEPING, I THINK, A CLOSER WATCH ON WHERE WE'RE AT AS WE GO FORWARD.
WE'RE NOT QUITE AT 50% OF THE WAY.
IF YOU LOOK AT MILES PAVED, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE BEING VERY TRANSPARENT AND ACCOUNTABLE TO ALL OF THE RESIDENTS ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING AND HOW OUR MONEY IS BEING USED AS WE GO FORWARD, ESPECIALLY SINCE THINGS HAVE CHANGED IN THE ECONOMY AND THE MARKETPLACE.
SO I WILL ACTUALLY LET FRANK KIND OF TAKE THE LEAD AND THEN WE WILL HAVE SOME CONVERSATION.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AGAIN, FRANK WATANABE, THE CITY ENGINEER.
I'LL GO OVER THE PRESENTATION AND THEN AFTERWARDS BE ABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
FRANK, IS YOUR MICROPHONE ON? IS IT ON? IT IS NOW.
OKAY. I'M SORRY. LET'S BE CLOSER TO IT.
WE ACTUALLY GOT STARTED IN 2019 WITH THE $150 MILLION ROAD BOND OVERALL.
WE STARTED OFF USING WHAT THEY CALL THE PCI PAYMENT CONDITION INDEX.
THAT SETS THE RATING FOR THE STREETS, AND WE USE THAT AS A GUIDE FROM THAT POINT ON.
WE'VE BEEN ASSESSING EACH STREET AS WE GO THROUGH EACH PHASE AND WE BRING IT IN FRONT OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE ADVISORY BOARD AND THAT DETERMINES WHAT YOU GUYS VOTE EVERY YEAR IN TERMS OF THE UNITS AND THE TYPE OF TREATMENT.
AND I'LL BE GOING OVER THE TREATMENTS.
WE HAVE ABOUT 170 791 MILES TOTAL IN STREETS.
JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THAT IS THE ROAD PAVED THAT WAS IDENTIFIED WITH ROAD BOND.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE ACTUAL MILES FOR THE CITY, 863.
THAT'S PER MILES BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ADDING IN THOSE COMPOUNDS STREETS OF 51, 52, 53.
SO IF YOU ADD ALL THE STREETS, WE HAVE ACTUALLY 863, BUT THE ROAD BOND ONLY INCLUDED THE 791.
SO THAT'S THE MAGIC NUMBER WE'RE LOOKING AT.
JUST TO HIGHLIGHT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IT WAS BASED ON THE COUNCILS BACK IN 2019, FOUR QUADRANTS.
THEN WE SPLIT THE QUADRANTS INTO UNITS.
THERE WERE SOME EARLY STAGE MOVING AROUND.
AND SO JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT AGAIN.
AGAIN, THE ROAD BOND WAS ONLY FOR THE ROADS, NO PIPES.
SO THAT WAY WE MAKE SURE WE TRY TO TAKE CARE OF THE STREET CROSSINGS IN ADVANCE OF THE ROAD PAVING.
AND THEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF TREATMENTS.
AND I'LL GO OVER IN DETAILS, BUT WE'RE BASICALLY LOOKING AT EITHER RECONSTRUCTION, WHICH IS THE WORST CASE SITUATION WHERE WE REDO THE ENTIRE BASE ROADWAY OR WE LOOK AT SOME SORT OF A WHAT WE CALL A FULL DEPTH RECLAMATION WHERE WE PULVERIZE THE ASPHALT AND THE BASE TOGETHER, MIXING CEMENT, MIXING SOME EMULSIONS THAT BECOMES A NEW BASE.
AND THEN WE PUT ON TOP OF THAT.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE TYPICAL MILL AND PAY, WHICH IS THE MILL OFF THE ROAD AND PAVE IT BACK ON.
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THAT IS NOT AN ASPHALT STRUCTURAL THICKNESS, IT'S A SLURRY MIX.IT'S STILL CONSIDERED A TREATMENT, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE WE HAVE AN ACTUAL STRUCTURAL LAYER.
I'VE USED MICRO SURFACING IN MANY CITIES.
WE JUST HAD AN ISSUE WITH OUR ONE SITUATION.
AND SO I'M GOING TO GO OVER THAT AND GO OVER WHERE WE'RE HEADED WITH THAT PROGRAM.
THE LAST SLIDE I WANT TO GO OVER, WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROGRAM BACK IN 2018, 2019, THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS IN TERMS OF HOW IT WOULD BE ENGINEERED, DESIGNED AND CONSTRUCTED AND INSPECTED.
THE UNDERSTANDING WAS WE DO IT ALL IN HOUSE.
SO I DO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE AT THIS POINT, YES, MAYOR, THIS MICRO SURFING, IS IT MORE LIKE A SEALANT, IS WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO? IT IS. IT'S NOT LIKE WHAT YOU SEE IN PARKING LOTS, WHETHER YOU DO WHAT THEY CALL CAP SEAL, YOU SEE PARKING LOTS WHERE THEY PAINT THEM BLACK.
THAT'S WHAT THEY CALL A TAPE SEAL.
THIS HAS A LITTLE BIT OF FINE AGGREGATE IN IT.
SO IT HAS SOME AGGREGATE MATERIAL, BUT IT'S NOT.
A STRUCTURAL BASE. STRUCTURAL BASE IS WHEN IT COMES OFF OF A ASPHALT MACHINE.
THE MICRO SURFACING COMES OFF OF A TANKER TYPE OF TRUCK.
WAS THAT THE WHITE SURFACE COATING THAT? NO, THAT'S OUR REJUVENATION.
I'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THAT AS WELL AS YOU WERE.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A TREMENDOUS PUBLIC WORKS STAFF.
I DO WANT TO RECOGNIZE JOHN MCCALL AND OUR INSPECTION STAFF.
HE'S HERE RIGHT NOW. HE'S BEEN WITH ME SINCE THE BEGINNING.
HE'S BEEN ON EVERY ROAD PAVING PROJECT.
I DO WANT TO HIGHLIGHT OUR FINANCIAL TEAM.
CHRISTINE SULLIVAN. I THOUGHT SHE WAS GOING TO BE HERE.
SHE'S BEEN A GREAT HELP TO MAKING SURE WE KEEP THE NUMBERS IN LINE.
WE HAVE ALSO WE'VE HAD CAD STAFF THAT'S BEEN AROUND.
WHEN WE STARTED THIS, WE HAD DALE AND MIKE HANNON.
THEY DID A GREAT JOB IN GETTING US GOING.
WE HAVE NEW CAD STAFF WORKING ON NOW.
WE HAVE ENGINEERING STAFF TO HELP ME OUT.
MY COUNTERPART, HIS NAME IS HECTOR FRANCO.
SO WE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, SEE EACH OTHER.
WE ALSO THEN HAVE OTHER DEPARTMENTS LIKE PROCUREMENT.
PROCUREMENT HAS DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB MAKING SURE WE STAY ON TRACK BECAUSE WITHOUT THE PROCUREMENT TEAM, WE DON'T GET TO MOVE ONE STEP FORWARD BECAUSE WE CAN'T BE ABLE TO ADVERTISE IT AND GET IT DONE CORRECTLY AND GET THE CONTRACTORS ON BOARD.
AND THEN FINALLY, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I WANT TO RECOGNIZE OUR CONTRACTORS.
THEY'VE BEEN GREAT PARTNERS SINCE DAY ONE.
AND I JUST WANT TO BE UPFRONT ABOUT THOSE CONTRACTORS THAT HAVE BEEN GREAT PARTNERS.
NOBODY'S TRYING TO DO ANYTHING, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? I TRY TO CHEAT US OR NOT DOING A QUALITY WORK.
THEY WANT TO DO A QUALITY WORK.
THEN YOU PUT THE ASPHALT, WHICH IS YOUR CAP, WHICH IS YOUR SEALANT.
IT'S A FULL RECONSTRUCTION, A I'VE.
YOU MAY HEAR IT SOMETIMES CALLED BLACK FACE.
THIS IS A DEEPER STRUCTURE OF ASPHALT.
IT'S ACTUALLY A LOT MORE STRUCTURALLY SOUND TO USE MORE AC.
BUT FOR SMALLER ROADWAYS, WE'VE ALREADY DONE THAT IN UNITS.
I THINK THREE IT WORKED OUT VERY GOOD.
AND SO WE'RE USING THAT AS AN OPTION TO THE BEST DEPENDING ON THE CONTRACTOR.
AND LIKE CEMENT, CEMENT LIKES WATER.
SO IT ACTUALLY WORKS WITH US TO USE THE CEMENT BASE.
FDR SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE'VE BEEN DOING THE FDR TREATMENT ON OUR STREETS.
THE REST OF IT AGAIN, THE MILL AND PAY PROBABLY 75% IS MILL AND PAVE OR OVERLAYS.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE BULK OF THE TREATMENTS ARE.
AND THEN FINALLY, WE'LL TALK ABOUT MICRO SURFACING AT THE END.
THAT'S AN AREA THAT WE WANT TO EXPAND ON.
THE REASON WHY IS IT'S COST WISE, IT'S EXTREMELY COST AFFORDABLE IN TERMS OF THEY GO BY SQUARE YARDS INSTEAD OF TONNAGE AND MUCH CHEAPER, THE MICRO SURFACING THEN OF COURSE THE ASPHALT.
JUST A LITTLE HISTORY AGAIN ON WHAT IS PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE.
I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A HISTORY.
YOU KNOW, PAVEMENT SHOULD LAST YOU 20 YEARS.
THAT'S A TYPICAL IN THE BOOK THEORY, 20 YEARS.
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HOWEVER, IF YOU HAVE A LOCAL STREET THAT DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF TRUCK TRAFFIC, DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF VOLUME, YOU'RE GOING TO PROBABLY GET 30 YEARS.IF YOU HAVE A HEAVY TRAVEL VOLUME STREET, THAT MAY DROP DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
BUT HOW DO YOU THEN TAKE CARE OF THAT? BY USING PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE.
AND THAT'S WHERE THE MAYOR TALKS ABOUT USING REJUVENATION.
WE ARE REJUVENATING OUR STREETS.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE HIGH END CURVE WHERE IT'S BLUE AND GREEN, IF YOU COULD DO SOME SORT OF A MAINTENANCE LIKE REJUVENATION OR DO SOMETHING LIKE MICRO SURFACING EARLY ON IN THE BLUE AND GREEN, YOU KEEP PUSHING THAT CURVE OUT THERE.
THEN YOUR MICRO SERVICE FOR ANOTHER FIVE YEARS.
SO YOU'RE PUSHING OUT THERE ANOTHER 15 MORE YEARS, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? ON TOP OF THE ON TOP OF THE ORIGINAL 20.
SO YOU'RE OUT THERE AT 35 YEARS.
THEORETICALLY IT SHOULD HAPPEN.
I MEAN, SAYING WE'VE SEEN OUR ROADS BEING REJUVENATED.
THEY SEEM LIKE THEY'RE LOOKING IN GOOD SHAPE AND OTHER CITIES DO THE SAME MECHANISMS THAT WE USE.
SO THAT'S THE CHEAPEST BANG FOR THE BUCK IS TO MAINTAIN OUR MAINTENANCE.
EVEN THOUGH PEOPLE SAID THERE WASN'T MUCH.
IF WE WERE TO MAINTAIN THOSE ROADS IN BETTER CONDITION, IT WOULDN'T HAVE TURNED INTO LIKE A LUNAR SURFACE OR, YOU KNOW, GRASS FAULT AND SAY SOME OF THOSE STREETS WE HAD OUT THERE DIDN'T HAVE ANY ASPHALT AND IT TOOK US A LOT MORE MONEY.
AND THE GOOD NEWS IS, YOU KNOW, THOSE UNITS IN 24, 25, 30, 31, 32, THEY'RE ALMOST DONE.
SO THAT WAS THE BIGGEST BANG FOR THE BUCK WAS DOWN THERE AND GETTING THOSE ROADS COMPLETED.
WE STILL HAVE 1.29, BUT THOSE WERE THE BIGGEST CHALLENGING STREETS.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER 30 MORE MILES WE ADDED ON THE PAVING PROGRAM.
SO THAT'S A HUGE ACCOMPLISHMENT.
AND THAT'S WHAT THIS WAS FOR, THE PEOPLE LIVING OUT THERE.
SO I JUST WANT TO PASS THAT ON TO YOU BECAUSE WE DEAL WITH THEM EVERY DAY.
MOVING ON TO OUR MAINTENANCE PROGRAM, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS WAS APPROVED BACK IN 20, I THINK 2020.
CAN YOU GET CLOSER TO THE MIC, BROTHER? OKAY. WE TALKED ABOUT A MAINTENANCE PROGRAM CLOSER TO YOU, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
OKAY. WAIT, FRANK, BEFORE YOU MOVE ON PAST THE LAST ONE, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YES, SIR. UM, LIKE, I KNOW WE'VE SEEN AND TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THIS WHEN IT COMES TO THE MICRO MR JONES AS IT COMES TO THE MICRO SURFACING, I APOLOGIZE.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU QUICKLY.
YOU SAID THEORETICALLY IT SHOULD HAPPEN IF WE DO THE MICRO SURFACING, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WOULD STOP THAT FROM THEORETICALLY HAPPENING EVEN IF WE DO THE MICRO SURFACING AGAIN, THE CHALLENGE RIGHT NOW IS, AS WE HAD IN THE MOST RECENT WHEN WE DID 17 AND 46, WHEN WE DID THE FIRST MICRO SURFACING, IT WAS WAS KOGAN CAME OUT PERFECT. WE TESTED IT FOR ONE STREET BECAUSE WE THOUGHT WE WEREN'T COMFORTABLE YET, BECAUSE WE WEREN'T USING MICRO SURFACING.
WE DID. KOGAN CAME UP PERFECT.
WE WERE SURPRISED THAT IT WAS SUCH A YOU KNOW, IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS A PAVED ROAD.
SO THEN WE SAID, OKAY, WE HAVE 17 UNITS, 17 UNIT 46, LET'S GO FOR IT.
AND WE DID THOSE STREETS AND THEN WE HAD ALL THESE ISSUES.
AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THE MICRO SURFACING IS STILL GOOD IN THERE.
SO THE ISSUE ABOUT THE DIVOTS IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT APPEARANCE WISE.
THE MICRO SURFACING IS STILL ON THAT SURFACE.
IT DIDN'T SCRAPE OFF, IT DIDN'T DETERIORATE.
THE MATERIAL IS STILL THERE AND STILL PROTECTING THAT ROADWAY.
IT'S THE APPEARANCE OF THE DIVOTS AND THE ESTHETICS IS WHAT CAUSED MORE OF THE ISSUES.
BUT THE MICRO SURFACING DID ITS JOB AND IS STILL DOING ITS JOB.
THE DIVOTS KEEP COMING OFF AND ON BECAUSE OF THAT.
I THINK IT'S A TEMPERATURE, BUT THE MICRO SURFACING IS STILL THERE AND IT'S WORKING.
THE CAR STARTED PULLING OFF INTO THE STREETS AND HERE COMES THE DIVOTS.
AND WE LEFT, YOU KNOW, THE SAME PROBLEM WE HAD SORT OF POPPING UP ON THOSE STREETS.
SO WE REALIZED THAT THE PROBLEM IS STILL THERE.
WE BELIEVE TRULY IT'S SOMETHING WITH THE MIX.
THERE'S SOMETHING WITH THE TEMPERATURE.
BUT AGAIN, THE ACTUAL MICRO SURFACING HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME.
SO THE ISSUE OF THE MICRO SURFACING IS STILL GOOD.
IT'S WHERE DO WE WANT TO END UP IN TERMS OF OUR STREET, IN TERMS OF OUR CITIZENS? BECAUSE THE APPEARANCE OF HAVING THESE DIVOTS IS NOT GOOD.
THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE. YOU KNOW, IF IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD, NOBODY WANTS IT.
AND SO THAT'S GOING TO BE THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE.
AND WE HAVE A SOLUTION, WE HOPE, AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, CARRY ON.
AND YOU KNOW, JUST TO POLICE A LITTLE BIT, LET'S WRITE OUR QUESTIONS DOWN.
LET THEM GO THROUGH HIS PRESENTATION AND THEN WE'LL JUST ASK OUR QUESTIONS.
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CARRY ON, SIR. THANK YOU, MAYOR.GOING BACK WITH THE MAINTENANCE PROGRAM, WE APPROVED THIS MAINTENANCE PROGRAM.
I JUST CAME UP WITH A BASIC ONE THAT SAYS WE'RE GOING TO DO REJUVENATION.
IT'S PLAIN AND SIMPLE. IT'S BEEN WORKING FOR US.
SO WHAT WE DO IS WE DO IS FOLLOW BEHIND THE ROAD PAVING PROGRAM, WHICH WE'VE DONE SO FAR.
AS SOON AS WE GET PHASES AND UNITS DONE, WE ADD THEM TO THE LIST.
SO THOSE STREETS HAVE BEEN DONE REJUVENATED.
SO NEXT YEAR WE DO THE REMAINING PHASE TWO AND MAYBE SOME OF THE PHASE THREE AND WE'LL JUST CONTINUE TO MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT AND THEN WE'LL RECYCLE BACK AFTER THE THIRD OR FOURTH YEAR AND HIT THE YEAR ONE STREETS AGAIN.
SO THAT WAY WE'LL GIVE THAT DOUBLE HIT.
THEN AFTER THAT PERIOD, WHAT WE WANT TO HOPEFULLY HAVE IS THE MICRO SERVICING MOVING FORWARD SO WE CAN THEN ADD THE MICRO SERVICING ON TOP OF THOSE REJUVENATION PERIODS AND THEN THAT'LL PUSH OUR ROAD PROGRAM OUT AT LEAST 30.
HOWEVER, DURING THOSE TIMES YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SPOT AREAS WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME MILL AND PAVE NEEDED BECAUSE MAYBE SOME ROADWAYS HAD SOME BASE FAILURES THAT IT'S HARD TO TELL. THERE'S NO WAY YOU COULD PHYSICALLY TELL A ROAD CONDITION UNLESS YOU TEAR IT UP OR UNLESS YOU DO MINI BORES.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SPOT LOCATIONS.
THAT'S WHAT YOU SAW IN THE PROGRAM.
BUT BALANCING IT OUT, AS WE'VE SHOWN HERE, IF YOU PUT THE 2 TO $4 MILLION ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT TO MAINTAIN YOUR ROADWAY AND NOT BE IN THE SITUATION YOU'RE IN. WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROGRAM IN 2019, WHERE WE HAD ALMOST, YOU KNOW, 40% OF THE ROADS IN VERY, VERY BAD CONDITION, WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE THIS PLACE WITH ROADS IN VERY GOOD CONDITION AND AFTER THE EIGHTH YEAR.
SO AND THAT'S OUR MAINTENANCE PROGRAM.
JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT AND WE COULD DISCUSS THAT LATER ON.
TALKING ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE PROGRAM, YOU KNOW, IT WAS APPROVED ACTUALLY BACK IN 2022.
YOU KNOW, ESTABLISHED THE MINIMUM FUNDING SOURCE, WHICH WAS THE TWO, WHICH WAS THE $4 MILLION, WHICH HAS A POTENTIAL WE WANTED TO INCREASE THAT TO A $6 MILLION ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. AND SOME OF THE PRIORITIES WE USED TO FUND THAT BASKET FOR THE FOR THE FOR THE MAINTENANCE IS NUMBER ONE WITH THE ANNUAL BUDGET TRANSFERS FROM THE GENERAL FUND, THE UNEXPECTED ANY GENERAL FUND DOLLARS AT THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR, THE BCRA UNEXPECTED BALANCE TRANSFERS, OF COURSE, THE END OF THE CRA AND THE FULL TRANSFER OF THE REVENUE INTO THE ROAD PROGRAM.
AND THEN THEN FINALLY, WHAT WE HAVE IS A SALE OF ANY SAMUEL PROPERTIES.
THAT MONEY GOES INTO THE ROAD PROGRAM.
SO THOSE ARE YOUR FUNDING SOURCES THAT HELPS FUND THE ROAD MAINTENANCE PROGRAM.
SO THAT WAS JUST I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT GOING INTO THE REJUVENATION THE MAYOR ASKED FOR, AS I MENTIONED, WE WERE FINISHING UP OUR FISCAL YEAR 2223 PROGRAM AND WE SPENT $2.2 MILLION ON THOSE OF THE UNITS.
WE HAD A 90 DAY COMPLETION DATE.
WE FINISHED OUR PROGRAM, SO WE'RE DONE FOR THIS YEAR.
AND SO IT WAS LESS THAN THREE MONTHS.
AND SO AND I ALREADY HAVE THE LIST FOR THE NEXT YEAR ALREADY READY TO GO.
I JUST WANT TO SHOW YOU SOME PHOTOGRAPHS RIGHT HERE.
THESE ARE PHOTOGRAPHS TAKEN OF THE NORTHEAST AREA.
THIS IS ACTUALLY BIANCA STREET.
AND IT'S THE SAME YOU'VE SEEN THIS TRUCK LAYS OUT A PINK EMULSION SPRAY.
THEY KEEP THE ROAD CLOSED TO ABOUT 20 MINUTES.
SOON AFTER THEY SPRAY IT AND IT DRIES UP.
THAT GIVES IT A LITTLE BIT OF PROTECTION, A LITTLE BIT OF FRICTION.
AND THEN WITHIN 30 MINUTES, THEY OPEN THE ROAD AND THEY MOVE TO THE NEXT ROAD.
BUT I'M SAYING THIS GIVES US THEIR SAME LIKE FIVE MORE YEARS OF LIFE IN THAT IN THAT ROADWAY.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, AND I'VE GONE TO UNITS 31 AND 32 THAT WE REJUVENATED TWO YEARS AGO.
THEY LOOK GREAT, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? A ROADS THAT WE'VE TAKEN SO FAR, MOST OF OUR ROADS LOOK GREAT AND THIS REJUVENATION IS HELPING IT OUT.
SO WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THIS PROCESS MICRO SURFACING.
WE TALKED ABOUT MICRO SURFACING.
HERE'S WHAT I WANT TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE.
AGAIN, WE TRIED MICRO SURFACING ON COGAN, WORKED OUT GREAT.
YAY. HOWEVER, WE TRIED IN UNIT 17 AND 46 DIDN'T DO SO WELL BECAUSE OF DIVOTS.
WE WORKED WITH THE CONTRACTOR.
WE WE LOOKED AT A THIRD LAYER OF MICRO.
WE BROUGHT IN A STREET ROLLER.
WE DID EVERYTHING, EVEN INCLUDING PUTTING IN A CAPE SEAL ON TOP OF IT.
BASICALLY WHATEVER WE COULD DO TO SEE WHAT WE CAN TO MAYBE YOU SAY HIDE THE.
IT'S BASICALLY, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING.
AND SO WE TRIED ALL THESE DIFFERENT OPTIONS, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE WAS, YOU KNOW, IT'S STILL THERE.
WE CHECKED ALL THE REQUIREMENTS.
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YOU KNOW, WE FOLLOWED THE ACTUAL SPECIFICATION, WHICH WAS A 355, WHICH IS ON THERE.I'M SORRY, 335 SPEC, WHICH SPECS OUT A 3% POLYMER WHICH IS STANDARD IN CURRENT MICRO SURFACING.
SO WE DID EVERYTHING BY THE BOOK, BY BOOKS, BUT SOMETHING IN THE MIX DIDN'T WORK FOR US.
AND SO WE PULLED WE PULLED A HALT ON THAT MICRO SURFACING.
SINCE THAT TIME TO TODAY, THINGS KEEP CHANGING.
THERE'S A NEW POLYMER MIX OUT.
THEY CALL IT 6% POLYMER MIX FOR MICRO SURFACING.
MOST OF THE TEXAS HAS GONE CRAZY OVER IT.
SOME OF THE OTHER LARGER STATES HAVE MOVED FORWARD WITH THE 6% MICRO.
THE VERY FIRST ONE RIGHT NOW IS GOING TO BE UP IN GAINESVILLE.
THE CONTRAST IS GOING TO BE LET OUT APRIL 4TH, SORRY, APRIL 6TH.
IT'S GOING TO BE ON APRIL 6TH.
AND WE WANT TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF THAT AND DO TWO MORE STREETS.
IF WE DON'T HAVE IT AS A TOOL, WE CAN'T USE ASPHALT LIKE A THIN LIST OR AN OVERLAY.
WE JUST WON'T HAVE THE FUNDS TO CARRY OURSELVES TO DO ALL THE ROADS.
AND SO WE WANT TO TRY THAT OUT.
ONCE THAT ONCE THAT BID GETS AWARDED TO THE CONTRACTOR, WE'LL GO OUT WITH THE COUNCIL'S BLESSING, WILL COME TO THE COUNCIL FOR AWARD AND THEN WE WANT TO TRY THOSE TWO STREETS AND WE'RE GOING TO TEST THE HECK OUT OF IT, YOU KNOW, TWO DAYS, TWO WEEKS, TWO MONTHS AND MAKE SURE AND THE CONTRACTOR WANTS TO DO IT.
THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE TO THEY WANT THEY WANT TO DO THE WORK HERE.
AND SO WE'RE GOING TO USE THAT AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO USE THE 6% MICRO AS IN OUR TEST PROGRAM, AGORA CIRCLE, MERCURY, WE'RE GOING TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO INSPECT AND VERIFY AND TEST IT AND MAKE SURE WE MAKE SURE THE SPECS MEET WHAT WE NEED TO MEET AND IF KEEP MY FINGERS CROSSED.
AND IT SHOULD WORK LIKE THESE OTHER STATES ARE EXPRESSING POSITIVE USE OF THE 6% MICRO, WE WILL THEN MOVE FORWARD AFTER MAYBE SIX MONTHS AND MAKING SURE THAT THE 6% MICRO ON THOSE TWO STREETS SATISFACTORY.
WE PULLED A STOP ON IT BECAUSE OF THE DIVOTS.
SO WE WANT TO BRING THAT BACK ON THE TABLE AND BRING THAT LATER ON.
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO BRING ON AS AS PART OF THE PROGRAM.
I JUST WANT TO SHOW SOME SUCCESS STORIES THAT WE'VE DONE.
SO THESE ARE HUGE SUCCESS STORIES.
OF COURSE. DEGROOT, WE FINISHED IT WAS A NIGHTTIME OPERATION.
MIDLAND PAVED, COMPLETELY DONE.
WE DID UNIT 48, ALL THOSE STREETS UP IN UNIT 48.
ALL DONE. WE DO HAVE SOME MINOR PUNCH LIST STUFF THAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE CARE.
AND ARE YOU AWARE OF THIS? WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK OUT THERE RANGES ALL SUPPORTIVE OF US ANY MINOR REPAIRS.
THEY'RE WILLING TO TAKE ON ANY WARRANTY REPAIRS.
THEY'RE STILL WILLING TO COME BACK AND TAKE CARE OF IT.
SO THEY'RE HOLDING TO THE WARRANTY PERIOD.
SO THERE IS NO ISSUE REGARDING MAKING SURE WITHIN THE ONE YEAR TIME IF THERE'S ANY ANOMALIES, ANY DEFICIENCIES, ANY PROBLEMS, THE CONTRACTOR IS WILLING TO COME BACK AND FIX IT. SO THAT'S THAT'S BEEN VERY POSITIVE.
SO THAT WHOLE SECTION IS ALL DONE.
SO THOSE ARE SOME HUGE SUCCESS STORIES.
THE FINAL ONE WE TALKED ABOUT IS UNIT 30, THE FDR, 30 MILES TO MORE STREETS AND WE'RE DONE.
SO AS WE SPEAK ABOUT THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS CITY IN FOUR YEARS HAVE PAVED PAVED OVER 343 MILES.
43% OF OUR ROADS HAVE BEEN TAKEN CARE OF.
YOU'RE RIGHT, WE SHOULD BE AT 50 BECAUSE OF 50.
YOU KNOW, PEOPLE I TELL PEOPLE, YEAH, WE PAVE BECAUSE YEAH, WE PAVE SOME 200 MILES.
WE'VE ALREADY PAVED IN OUR FOUR YEAR PROGRAM 343 MILES.
SO THAT'S A HUGE SUCCESS STORY.
THAT REALLY HASN'T CHANGED AND THAT'S THE MARK WE GOT TO HOLD TO.
ASPHALT WAS ACTUALLY IN THE LOW RANGES BETWEEN $90 A TON TO ABOUT $120 A TON.
WE MADE SOME HUGE SAVINGS, OUR ENGINEER'S ESTIMATES.
WE HAD WE HAD A SAVINGS, SO IT WAS VERY POSITIVE.
THEN YEAR TWO CAME A LOT MORE.
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IT WAS A BIGGER UNIT.AND THE ISSUES IN THE NORTHEAST AND AGAIN, AS YOU KNOW, PALM BAY IS REALLY DIVIDED INTO GDC PORTION.
AND THEN THE OLD PALM BAY PORTION, THE OLD PALM BAY PORTION HAS UTILITIES, A LOT OF UNDERGROUNDS.
SO WE HAD CHALLENGES THAT KIND OF HELD UP OUR ROAD PROGRAM.
AND AND YOU SEE THE SIZE OF PHASE TWO WAS JUST MASSIVE BECAUSE WE WANTED TO GET ALL OF THAT NORTHEAST AREA DONE AS WELL AS WE WANTED TO TAKE CARE OF SOME OF THE WORST OF THE STREETS, WHICH WAS JUNE 24TH AND 25, BECAUSE THERE WERE SCREAMING AT US, YOU KNOW, WE TOOK CARE OF 32 AND 31 AND 24 AND 25 ARE STILL OUT THERE.
AND WE HAD PEOPLE JUST SCREAMING AT US.
SO WE HAD TO GET THOSE STARTED AS WELL.
AND THOSE WERE ALL DONE IN PHASE TWO.
FINALLY, PHASE FOUR, WHICH WE HAVE NOT YET STARTED.
HOWEVER, ALL OR MOST OF THE DESIGNS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED FOR PHASE FOUR.
SO THEY'RE SHELF READY, READY TO GO.
SO THAT'S WANT TO HIGHLIGHT YOUR PHASE FOUR? AND THEN FINALLY, PHASE FIVE, WHICH IS SHOWN IN PINK, IS THE QUESTIONABLE.
THAT MEANS YOU'RE IN GOOD SHAPE.
THAT MEANS. REALLY YOU SHOULDN'T OVERLAY, BUT WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO THOSE ROADS.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? SO THOSE POTENTIALLY COULD BE, YOU KNOW, UNITS THAT WE JUST DID 26, 37, 38 AND 40, MAYBE SOME OF THOSE UNITS BECOMES MICRO SURFACING. THAT THEN DRAWS DOWN A LOT MORE MILES AND THEN SAVES UP THE MONEY BACK UP AND YOU'LL SEE THE DIFFERENCE LATER ON.
BUT THERE'S A POTENTIAL THERE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
BUT YEAR FIVE IS GOING TO BE THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO BE CHALLENGED THE MOST.
A SUMMARY OF WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT.
AGAIN, HERE ARE THE CURRENT DOLLAR AMOUNTS I USED WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROGRAM.
WE USED, OF COURSE, THE 2019 $90 TO $120 A TON ASPHALT.
THE PRICES WERE YOU KNOW, I'M SAYING WE'RE BETTER OFF, BUT THEY'RE NOT THE REALISTIC NUMBERS TODAY.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT ASPHALT.
WE'RE GETTING ASKED FOR ABOUT $210 A TON.
SOME PLACES I'VE SEEN IT UP TO $300 A TON.
AND I'M SAYING FOR SMALL ASPHALT, $500 A TON.
SO THERE'S A HUGE JUMP IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH YOU USE AND WHERE YOU'RE AT.
BUT IF YOU ADD THESE ARE THE CURRENT DOLLARS TODAY NOW, SO I'VE ESCALATED THE COST, TOTAL COST OF THE OF THE OVERALL FIVE FIVE PHASE EIGHT YEAR CONSTRUCTION NOW 218 MILLION.
SO AS YOU KNOW, THAT'S OVER THE 150 MILLION.
SO OOPS, WE GET A OOPSIE HERE.
SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT OUR OPTIONS.
AND SO AND THAT'S WHY I THINK WE'RE HERE TONIGHT IS JUST TO SEE WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS.
JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT AND I CALL THIS THE YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING, THE BAILEY SPREADSHEET, BECAUSE HE ALWAYS WANTED TO SEE MATRIXES AND HE ALWAYS WANTED TO SEE EVERYTHING BY SQUARE YARDS.
SO WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROGRAM, WE CREATED THIS MATRIX, WHICH WAS IN 2019 THAT SHOWS ALL THE SQUARE FOOTAGES IN TERMS OF WHAT WOULD IT COST, YOU KNOW, PER DOLLAR, PER SQUARE YARD AND THEN DOLLAR PER MILE.
AND SO THOSE WERE SHOWN ON THE FIRST TOP SCREEN.
AND OF COURSE, YOU SEE OF COURSE, IN ALL THE ASPHALT ONES HAVE JUMPED, YOU KNOW, 20, 30%.
THE TOP ONES YOU SEE A DECREASE IS BECAUSE WHEN WE STARTED THE PROGRAM, WE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE A GOOD DOLLAR AMOUNT IN TERMS OF WHAT DOES IT TAKE FOR RECONSTRUCTION AND WHAT DOES IT TAKE FOR FDR? BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF NUMBERS YET.
WE'VE DONE SMALL SECTIONS, BUT WE HAVEN'T DONE LIKE WE'VE DONE FOR MILLING AND PAVING FOR OVERLAYING WE HAVE GREAT DOLLARS AND GREAT FIGURES TO USE TO DETERMINE THOSE NUMBERS, BUT WE STILL DON'T HAVE A GOOD NUMBER FOR THE TWO TOP ONES.
THE FDR, WE HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF A BIT FLUCTUATES BECAUSE FDR USES CEMENT AND IN THE LAST YEAR THERE WAS A HUGE SUPPLY ISSUE WITH CEMENT AND THAT CAUSED ISSUES AS WELL. SO THOSE NUMBERS, THAT'S WHY THOSE NUMBERS SHOW NEGATIVE.
AND SO I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT'S THE REASON WHY THEY'RE NEGATIVE.
BUT NOW FROM THIS POINT ON, THE LOWER NUMBERS ARE PRETTY SOUND.
AND HOPEFULLY THOSE NUMBERS, YOU KNOW, GET BETTER IN TERMS OF NOT HAVING SUCH A LARGE SPREAD.
SO THAT'S WE WANT TO SHOW YOU THAT BOTTOM LINE.
HERE WE ARE WITH THE FINANCIAL NUMBERS AND WE WANT TO SEE WHAT WE COULD DO.
THE WILL WE SIT AGAIN, THE THE GURU HAD $150 MILLION.
GOOD NEWS IS WE HAD INTEREST ON THAT, WHICH IS GREAT.
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IF YOU TOOK A LOOK AT AGAIN, THE OLD NUMBER THAT I HAD BACK WITH THE 2019 AND THE LIST YOU SEE ONCE A MONTH SHOWS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE $26 MILLION, $26.4 MILLION OF A SHORTFALL.SO THE WORST CASE IN THE REALISTIC CASE RIGHT NOW IS 66.4 MILLION.
WE'RE SHORT. SO JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT AT THE CURRENT DOLLAR RIGHT NOW AND WHERE WE SIT TODAY WITH THE PROGRAM, EVEN THOUGH WE STILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, PHASES FOUR AND FIVE, YOU KNOW, AT 43%, WE'RE $66.4 MILLION SHORT.
IF WE STAY WITH THE PROGRAM WE HAVE TODAY.
SO WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO? SO THAT'S WHERE THE OPEN DISCUSSION IS.
WHY IS THERE SUCH A BIG DIFFERENCE? MAINLY, AGAIN, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS HIGHER COST IN ASPHALT AND BINDERS.
WE HAVE NO CONTROL OF THAT. THAT'S THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS IN LIFE.
HIGHER COSTS IN VARIOUS OTHER MATERIALS.
WHEN I SAY VARIOUS MATERIALS, WHAT ARE THEY? THEY'RE SMALL, BUT THEY ADD UP, INCLUDING COST FOR PLASTICS, FOR FOR LIKE THE MASS COST FOR THE GLASS BEADS.
WE HAD ISSUES THAT WAS FOR THE THERMOPLASTIC AND THE STRIPING.
THOSE LITTLE THINGS START ADDING UP.
SO THERE'S OTHER COSTS ASSOCIATED, LIMITED AVAILABILITY OF AGGREGATE, THE ROCK FOR THE ASPHALT.
YOU HEAR A LOT OF ASPHALT COMPANIES CAN'T GET ROCK RIGHT NOW.
SOME CAN GET ROCKS BECAUSE THEY HAVE THEIR OWN MINDS, OTHERS CAN'T.
THAT'S ADDING A HUGE COST AND A HUGE PROBLEM WITH THE ASPHALT COMPANIES.
ALSO LIMIT AVAILABILITY OF CEMENT.
CURRENTLY, RIGHT NOW, CEMENT IS PLENTIFUL.
IT COULD HAPPEN AGAIN. SO THOSE ARE HUGE ISSUES THAT THEN CREATES COST DIFFERENCES IN TERMS OF KEEPING WHAT WE THINK IN TERMS OF THE THE PRICE FOR OUR ROAD PAVING CONTRACTS, SHORTAGE IN SKILLED WORKERS AS WE SEE IN OUR OWN CITY.
BUT THEY'RE OUT THERE TOO, IN THE CONTRACT WORDS.
THERE'S THERE'S A SHORTAGE OF SKILLED WORKERS.
IT SEEMS LIKE NOBODY WANTS TO WORK.
AND THAT'S ALL THERE IS. BASIC MATH.
THAT HAS TO STAY AT 300 DEGREE TEMPERATURE, FIVE HOURS.
TYPICALLY IT'LL STAY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TO 80 TO 90 BY THE TIME YOU ACTUALLY LAY IT ON THE ON THE IN THE IN THE PAVEMENT BOX, YOU KNOW ABOUT 252 60 IT'S STILL HOT. IT'S KNOWN IN THE STATES AND WE'RE NOT IN THE COLDER STATES IS WHAT THEY CALL A WARM MIX.
OKAY. IT'S A NEW STYLE ASPHALT.
IT'S BEEN AROUND AND AND IT LASTS LONGER.
IT'S NOT AS HOT. THEY DON'T COOK IT UP TO 300 DEGREE TEMPERATURE.
I THINK THEY COOK IT UP TO LIKE 280, BUT IT HOLDS AT 280.
AND BECAUSE IT WAS PLENTIFUL, AVAILABLE AND USUALLY IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPENSIVE, THEY GAVE IT AT THE SAME COST THAT WE WERE USING RIGHT NOW FOR THE PRICE WE HAD FOR THE CONTRACT. SO WE DID A GOOD CHUNK OF THE PARKWAY WITH THIS WARM MIX AND THAT MATERIAL LASTED AND THE TRUCKS CAME IN.
IT SAT BECAUSE WE DID IT AT NIGHT.
THE TRUCK SAT FOR LIKE SEVEN HOURS AND IT HELD THE TEMPERATURE.
WE WERE SHOCKED, BUT THAT MATERIAL IS STILL OUT THERE TOO.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO LOOK AT, TOO.
TYPICALLY IS USED IN THE STATES SO THAT IF OUR PLANTS ARE WILLING TO DO THAT, I'M SAYING THEY COULD HAUL IT IN, CHUCK IT IN, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING AGAIN, IT'S AN OPTION, JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE. BUT THOSE ARE SOME OPTIONS WHEN FINANCES THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
A CONSIDERATION THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
HOW DO WE THEN LOOK AT OPTIONS FOR THE FUTURE TO MAYBE BRING THAT COST DOWN? AS WE TALKED ABOUT THE 6% POLYMER, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT 6% POLYMER.
AGAIN, IT'S EXTREMELY LOW IN COST.
IT'S A NEW PRODUCT. BUT AGAIN, WE CAN'T BE SHY ABOUT NEW PRODUCTS.
HOWEVER, NOW ENTERING INTO FLORIDA.
IT'S BEEN TESTED IN OTHER STATES LIKE TEXAS AND HEAVILY USED.
SO FOR ME IT'S A VALID YES, ONE INCH OVERLAYS.
WE'VE TRIED IT ON A FEW STREETS.
SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO CHINTZY DOWN ON THE ASPHALT AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S EITHER, YEAH, GOING TO BE AN INCH AND A HALF TO TWO INCHES OR NOT HAVE THE STRUCTURAL AND LET'S GO WITH SOMETHING LIKE A MICRO SURFACING SO YOU KNOW USE ONE OR THE OTHER.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD NOT SUPPORT RIGHT NOW UNTIL SUCH TIME IT BECOMES BETTER.
USUALLY IT'S THE INCH AND A HALF IS THE MINIMUM THEY GO WITH.
BUT AGAIN, IT CAN IT BE DONE? YES, WE DID A FEW STREETS JUST AS TEST, SO THAT'S AN OPTION, BUT I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND THAT.
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SO THAT'S A NO FOR ME.SO WE LOOK AT MAYBE A REDUCTION IN PG AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE USE THE HIGH END, WE USE THE 7622, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? THE HIGH END, WE'RE GOING FOR THE LEXUS.
BUT TODAY, WITH DOLLAR SHORTAGES AND WHERE ARE WE SITTING TODAY? AND WE NEED TO START LOOKING AT THOSE.
TOYOTA'S YOU KNOW, I'M SAYING BRING THAT DOLLAR DOWN.
SO DO WE THEN DROP THAT PG TO A LOWER LEVEL OR DO WE JUST TAKE IT OUT, TALK TO A LOT OF AGENCIES AROUND HERE? THEY DON'T USE IT. AND I'LL EXPLAIN WHY.
AND THAT'S A HUGE DOLLAR SAVINGS.
SO THAT'S AN OPTION WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK IS AT THE VERY BOTTOM IS TO TAKE IT OUT.
AND THEN THE BOTTOM ISSUE ALSO IS DO WE PAVE ALL OUR STREETS? AND THAT'S GOING TO BE A CHALLENGING QUESTION.
YOU CAN'T DRIVE THEM RIGHT NOW.
THE LAST TIME I WENT OUT THERE, YOU CAN'T LITERALLY YOU CAN'T DRIVE THEM.
THE ONES THAT DO HAVE HOMES ON IT.
IF YOU GO TO THE SOUTHERN PORTION DOWN THERE IN 49, THEY DON'T WANT TO BE PAVED.
I WENT DOWN THERE. THEY DON'T WANT THE ROADS TO BE PAVED.
SO THERE'S A CHALLENGING QUESTION THERE.
I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.
SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE FUTURE QUESTIONS.
CAN WE LOOK AT THOSE OPTIONS TO CREATE MAYBE AN LIKE AN LIKE AN OPTION MATRIX? AND THAT'S WHAT WE DID. BUT I WANT TO GO INTO A PERFORMANCE GRADE.
AND IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING YOU CAN PULL UP EVERY BOOK IN THE WORLD.
I'VE TALKED TO MANY PEOPLE IN PERFORMANCE GRADES.
BASICALLY WHAT IT IS, IS WE USE A 76 TO 22.
AND WHY? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES THE ASPHALT FOR FREEWAY STANDARDS.
SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT HIGH TRUCK VOLUMES, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? HIGH, HIGH USE OF ROADWAYS, I'M SAYING.
SO THEY HAVE TO GO WITH THE HIGHER POLYMER MIX, WHICH MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT MORE STIFFER.
THE RANGE BELOW IN THAT COLOR MAP SHOWS IS THE PPG WAS BASED ON WHAT THEY CALL A TEMPERATURE RANGES.
YOU KNOW, IT DIDN'T HAVE A FLUCTUATION IN TEMPERATURE.
SO THEY DIDN'T SEE AN ISSUE OF TEMPERATURE DIFFERENCE IN THE POLYMER MIX.
SO THEY WEREN'T COMFORTABLE WITH THE PPG.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT THIS MATRIX WAS DEVELOPED BASED ON.
TEMPERATURE RANGE. THE FIRST NUMBER IS THE HIGH TEMPERATURE RANGE.
THE SECOND NUMBER IS A LOW TEMPERATURE RANGE, AND THAT'S WHERE YOU GET THESE PPG NUMBERS.
WHY DO YOU PUT THAT EXTRA MONEY IN WHEN YOU DON'T NEED IT? ESPECIALLY ALL IT DOES IS MAKES IT STIFFER.
YOUR LOCAL STREETS ARE NOT RUNNING 40,080, 80 ON YOUR ON YOUR LOCAL STREETS.
YOU'RE NOT RUNNING, YOU KNOW, 50% TRUCK TRAFFIC ON YOUR ROADS.
SO WHY ADD ALL THAT EXTRA? YOU DON'T NEED IT. AND JUST, YOU KNOW, IF YOU TAKE OUT THE POLYMER AND YOU TAKE OUT THE PPG OF THE POLYMER, THE MATTE, YOU COULDN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE IN THE MATTE.
IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE LIFE CYCLE.
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY ADDING MORE TO IT LIKE AN OIL CHANGE.
BUT DO WE REALLY WANT TO HOLD TO THAT MARK? AND WE HAVE A SHORTAGE NOW AND COVERING THE REST OF OUR ROADWAYS, ESPECIALLY SINCE IT WON'T CHANGE THE LIFE OF THE ROADWAY.
YOU COULDN'T TELL FROM A PERSON STANDING ON THE ROAD WHICH MATTE THE ASPHALT, HAD THE PG 7622 OR DIDN'T HAVE IT AT ALL OR A LOWER GRADE LIKE A 5822, YOU COULDN'T TELL.
AND YOU CAN TELL BY DRIVING SURFACES.
JUST SMOOTH. IF THE MATTE WAS DONE CORRECTLY, JUST AS SMOOTH, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? THE ONLY WAY WOULD BE IF THERE'S SOME TEMPERATURE DIFFERENCES AND YOU START SEEING SOME CRACKING AND SOME, YOU KNOW, AND SOME RUTTING.
I CAN'T SAY BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DONE SOME OF OUR MAJOR HIGH VOLUMES LIKE MALABAR IS ON THE LIST.
THAT'S A HEAVY TRUCK TRUCK, TRAFFIC VOLUME.
SO DEFINITELY THAT ONE, I'M GOING TO SAY YES, 7622.
BUT SOME OF THE OTHER LOCAL STREETS AND MAYBE EMERSON IS A GOOD ONE TOO.
EVERY STREET WE'VE DONE SO FAR, 76, 22, EVERY STREET.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO CONSIDER AND THAT'S AN OPTION.
FINAL CONSIDERATION NOW IS LOOKING AT WHAT OPTIONS CAN WE LOOK AT.
SO THAT ADDS UP TO LIKE, SAY, $5 MILLION.
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86% THAT WE USE FOR THE PAVING, TAKE OUT THE PG AND DROP IT DOWN, LET'S SAY $40.SO NOW INSTEAD OF $210 IS $170 A TON, THAT DROPS THAT WHOLE NUMBER DOWN TO $68 MILLION.
81 MILLION TIMES 82 MILLION DIVIDED.
NOW YOU'RE LOOKING AT 13.4 AS A SHORTFALL.
WAY DIFFERENT THAN THE 66 MILLION WE SAW BEFORE.
STILL WAY DIFFERENT THAN THE 26 WE HAD IN THE EARLY DAYS.
AGAIN, WE'RE PLAYING WITH WHOLE NEW, DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? REQUIREMENTS NOW BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT WAYS TO MAKE THE MONEY LAST, BUT AT THE SAME TIME GIVE US THE SAME QUALITY PRODUCT.
MAYBE WE DO 20%, MAYBE WE DO 30% MORE.
SO THAT THEN CHANGES THAT MATRIX AND THAT CHANGES THAT WHOLE NUMBER AROUND.
SO WILL THAT THEN DECREASE THE 13.4? ABSOLUTELY. EVEN IF ASPHALT STARTS TO GO UP, IF WE START USING MORE MICRO AND WE START USING SOMETHING, YES, THAT NUMBER COULD DECREASE BECAUSE WE HAVE THREE MORE YEARS.
THE ISSUE RIGHT NOW IS NOT MONEY.
IN THREE MORE YEARS WE'VE GOT TO BE DONE.
MONEY, I THINK, IS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE.
I'M GOING TO PASS IT ON TO SAM, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE TIME MORE THAN ANYTHING.
RIGHT NOW, IT'S CONTROLS THIS. THIS WILL LET YOU KNOW.
SINCE THE START OF THIS PROGRAM BACK IN 2019, WE HAVE NEVER STOPPED PAVING.
SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE IN 2019, WE'VE BEEN PAVING STREETS, EVEN THOUGH PEOPLE SAY YOU'VE STOPPED.
AND WITH THAT, I WANT TO HAVE SUZANNE TALK ABOUT THE CLOSURE WITH THE FINANCE STRATEGIES.
SO, SUZANNE. WELL, BEFORE WE GET THERE, I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP FOR THE COUNCIL TO HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, ANYONE ON THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO INTO THE. GO AHEAD, MR. GORE. UM.
TALKING ABOUT FUNDING YOU TALKED ABOUT.
WELL, SIR, CAN WE JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE LISTENING, CAN WE STAY AT OUR NAME? THAT WAS OKAY. THANK YOU.
THOMAS GORMAN, INFRASTRUCTURE BOARD.
UM. YOU TALKED ABOUT FUNDING AND TALKED ABOUT CITY OWNED PROPERTY.
THERE USED TO BE ON THERE ON A MAP.
THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT ON THERE RIGHT NOW.
WE'VE DIALED BACK SIGNIFICANTLY ON THE SALE OF CITY PROPERTIES.
WE'RE HOLDING A LOT OF THEM FOR FUTURE STORMWATER NEEDS IN DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE CITY.
AS AN EXAMPLE, I CAN CERTAINLY GET THAT LIST TO YOU IF IT'S NOT ON OUR WEBSITE.
I WASN'T AWARE THAT IT WASN'T POSTED OUT THERE, SO WE'LL CHECK ON THAT.
AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROGRAM, WE TALKED ABOUT A TEMPORARY ASPHALT PLANT BECAUSE IT WOULD CUT DOWN ON TRANSPORTING THE ASPHALT, CONSIDERING HOW MANY TRUCKLOADS WE WERE GOING TO DO OVER AN EIGHT YEAR PERIOD, IS THAT STILL A POSSIBILITY AND WOULD IT CUT THE COST? WHEN WE STARTED THE PROGRAM, WE LOOKED AT THESE BATCH PLANTS, TEMPORARY ONES.
THEY DON'T PROVIDE THE SAME QUALITY OF ASPHALT MATERIAL, DIFFERENT THINGS.
IT DOES TAKE A LOT IN THESE BATCH PLANTS.
AND THEN WE HAVE COMMUNITY ASPHALT DOWN THERE IN VERO BEACH.
THEN WE HAVE PREFERRED ASPHALT, WHICH IS UP HERE IN COCOA PAVING, WHICH IS UP IN COCOA.
ROBINSON THEY'RE DOWN THERE IN INDIANTOWN.
SO THOSE ARE THE CLOSEST BATCH ASPHALT PLANTS THAT HAVE FULL BATCH ASPHALT PLANTS.
AND I WOULD NOT USE IT UNLESS YOU HAVE A SMALL PROJECT.
AND I'M SAYING AND THEY USE IT FOR PARKING LOTS.
THEY USE IT FOR LARGE DEVELOPMENTS THAT THEY COME IN LIKE A BIG, YOU KNOW, LIKE A BIG WALMART.
BUT FOR PUBLIC ROADWAYS, THERE'S GOING TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, FUTURE 20 YEAR LIFE.
YOU WANT TO HAVE IT COME OUT OF AN ASPHALT PLANT.
AND THE BEST THING WOULD BE, AGAIN, THEY WARRANTY THEIR PRODUCT.
IF THAT ASPHALT STARTS FALLING APART, YOU KNOW, THE PLANT'S THERE FOR LIFE, TOO.
SO WE GO WITH THE SOLID ASPHALT PLANT.
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AND THE LAST THING I HAD WAS SINCE THIS PLAN WAS PUT IN PLACE, THERE'S BEEN A $3 TRILLION BUILD BACK BETTER PLAN, WHEREAS OUR BUILD BACK BETTER FOR OUR ROADS.ARE WE PUTTING IN FOR THAT FUNDING? IS IT AVAILABLE? YOU MEAN A MAINTENANCE PROGRAM? NO. FEDERAL GRANTS TO BUILD BACK BETTER.
OH, WHERE'S OURS? YEAH. THE VAST. I'VE CHECKED, ACTUALLY, WITH THE TPO.
GEORGIANA GILLETTE. I'VE TALKED TO HER AND OTHERS TO FIND OUT IF THERE'S ANY FEDERAL OR STATE FUNDING PROGRAMS, GRANT PROGRAMS. ET CETERA. EVEN LOANS THAT WE CAN USE FOR MAINTENANCE.
THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.
THE ACRONYM IS TIFIA TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE.
ET CETERA, WHATEVER IT STANDS FOR.
BUT THAT'S ONLY FOR NEW ROADS EXPANSIONS, YOU KNOW, GOT TO PUT A NEW BRIDGE IN SOMEWHERE.
IT'S MILLIONS OF MILLIONS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS SET ASIDE.
THANK YOU. DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR QUESTIONS? YES. MR. ANY ANYONE ELSE ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE? VICE CHAIR JONES.
HEY, FRANK. GREAT PRESENTATION A MOTION.
I AGREE. 43% PAVED IS IS IMPRESSIVE.
THE NUMBERS DOESN'T SOUND THAT WAY.
SO I JUST THINK IT'S CAUTION WITH HOW WE LIST IT.
I DO THINK WE SHOULD SAY WE ARE IMPRESSED THAT WE GOT THE 43, BUT WE ARE BEHIND.
DID WE LEARN FROM THAT SO THAT WE KNOW BECAUSE I KNOW YOU SAID WE HAVE THREE MORE YEARS TO BE DONE.
IS THAT REALISTIC THAT WE WILL BE DONE IN THREE YEARS? AND DID WE LEARN FROM THOSE CHALLENGES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PLANNING ACCORDINGLY MOVING FORWARD? YES. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE LEARNED FROM WHAT WE HAD IN YEAR I CALL IT PHASE TWO.
YEAR TWO, YOU KNOW, WE HAD UTILITY CONFLICTS.
NOW, WE'RE AWARE THAT COULD BE POTENTIALS FOR LIMITED SHORTAGE.
SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THE CONTRACT CONTRACTORS.
WE HAD A STAKEHOLDER MEETING AND SOON AFTER, WHATEVER WE COME UP WITH IN TERMS OF WHAT WE WANT TO DECIDE ON AS AN OPTION, WHETHER WE DECIDE ON MAYBE TAKING OUT THE POLYMER, WE DECIDE ON DOING MORE MICROBES.
SO I WANT TO HEAR FROM THEM BECAUSE THEY GAVE OUT GOOD SUGGESTIONS.
THEY'RE THE ONES THAT SAID TAKE OUT THE POLYMERS.
THEY'RE THE ONES WHO SAID, WHY DON'T YOU GIVE US BACK THE MILLION SO WE CAN RECYCLE IT, SO WE CAN KEEP YOUR COSTS DOWN? WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE OPTIONS, LIKE A LIKE A PROVIDES FOR WHAT THEY CALL AN ADJUSTED COST VALUE.
SO IF THE ASPHALT COMES HIGH, THEY HAVE AN AVERAGE FLUCTUATION.
WHY DON'T WE LOOK AT THOSE? WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL THOSE OPTIONS.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO THEN AFTER WE MAKE A DETERMINATION WHERE WE WANT TO GO WITH WITH OUR PROGRAM, BRING BACK OUR OUR PARTNERS AND MAKE SURE WE EDUCATE THEM AND MAYBE THEY'LL HAVE SOME BETTER IDEAS. BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I THINK WE'VE WE'VE TAKEN CARE OF SOME OF THOSE BAD HURDLES.
THE BIG ISSUE, I WOULD SAY IS BE THOSE FIRST COUPLE OF YEARS, I THINK COUNCIL DID WELL.
THEY PICKED OUR WORST STREETS.
YOU KNOW, WE TOOK 31, 32, 24, 25, NOW 30 OFF THE BOOKS.
I MEAN, THOSE ARE THOSE DIDN'T HAVE ROADS.
LITERALLY, IF YOU DROVE BACK THERE, IT WAS LUNAR SURFACES.
THOSE PEOPLE NOW HAVE PAVED ROADS.
THAT'S GOING TO LAST THEM 20 YEARS PLUS.
I'M SAYING THOSE ARE THE CHALLENGES.
I THINK THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE'RE AT 43.
THAT'S GOING TO COST US MAYBE NOW THREE TIMES AS MUCH.
I THINK THEY DID A GOOD JOB IN PICKING THE COUNCIL, DID A GREAT JOB OF MAKING SURE WE PICK THE RIGHT MIXTURE AND WE TOOK CARE OF OUR CHALLENGES EARLY ON WHEN ASPHALT AND CONSTRUCTION COSTS WAS STILL VERY AFFORDABLE.
WE'RE GOING TO END UP IN UNIT FIVE.
AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THOSE PCI INDEX ARE ALL VERY HIGH.
I'M HOPING WE COULD JUST DO A GOOD CHUNK OF MICRO SURFACING AND MAKE SURE WE HIT THAT TARGET.
BUT UNTIL MAYBE NEXT YEAR WHEN I HAVE A CHANCE TO ASSESS THOSE STREETS, THAT BECAUSE WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THE CURRENT PHASE THREE, PHASE FOUR AND WE STILL HAVE CHALLENGES IN THOSE TO BE DETERMINED, LIKE I'M SAYING.
WE HAVE A GOOD QC PROGRAM IN PLACE AND THE BOTTOM LINE IS AND LET YOU KNOW RIGHT NOW GO OUT TO 3132.
THEY'RE NOW INTO THEIR FOURTH.
I'VE SEEN CITIES PAVE THE ROADS AND TWO YEARS LATER THERE'S PROBLEMS WITH THEM.
TAKE CARE. YES, SIR. WE'LL TAKE CARE OF IT.
WE'LL MILL AND REPAVE THE STREET.
YOU GOT NO PROBLEM DOING IT. THEY UNDERSTAND QUALITY PRODUCT.
SO THIS ONE, I THINK WE'RE WE'RE AT A SUCCESS AT 43.
SHOULD WE BE AT 50 HALFWAY POINT?
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YEAH, WE SHOULD BE. BUT I THINK WE SHOULD BE VERY HAPPY THAT WE'RE AT LEAST AT 43 AND WE TOOK CARE OF OUR CHALLENGES.HOPEFULLY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
AND IT'S GOOD TO HEAR THAT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.
HOW OFTEN DO WE UPDATE WITH THE PRICING KNOWING THAT IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO GO UP? BECAUSE AS WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD COMING UP WITH A GAME PLAN, WE ALSO HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT PRICING HAS THE POTENTIAL TO CONTINUE TO INCREASE.
WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS.
AND THAT'S WHY CHRISTINE HELPS US OUT AND WE NEED TO TRACK THESE.
AND IF THERE'S A SPIKE, AGAIN, WE NEED TO TRY TO MAKE SURE WHERE DO WE SIT WITH THAT SPIKE? AGAIN, THE HARD PART IS OUR CONTROLLING OF OUR PROGRAM IS NOT JUST COST.
IT'S TIME. WE HAVE A TIME THAT WE HAVE TO BE COMPLETED IN THREE YEARS.
SO I THINK THE OPPORTUNITY IS STILL GOOD RIGHT NOW.
SO WHAT I'M SAYING, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT THEN BE HEARTBROKEN IF WE SAW THAT AND IT'S LIKE THE GAME IS OVER, YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW, WE THERE'S NO WAY WE'LL HIT THAT MARK WHEN WE SEE ASPHALT AT THAT RANGE.
THEY'RE THEY'RE CHALLENGING EACH OTHER.
THEY WANT OUR WORK AND THEY'RE KEEPING THAT CAP DOWN THERE, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? SO BECAUSE WE HAVE THOSE GOOD PARTNERS, I WANT TO WORK WITH US.
I THINK IF THAT CONTINUES ON FOR THE NEXT COUPLE MORE YEARS, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HIT THAT MARK.
YOU KNOW, BUT AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO BE A DECISION FROM YOU GUYS AND THE COUNCIL IN TERMS OF WHAT DIFFERENT OPTIONS WE WANT TO GO WITH BECAUSE WE CAN'T GO WITH THE SAME DIRECTION WE'RE HEADED. THERE IS NO WAY WE CAN HIT A $66 MILLION, YOU KNOW, NEED UNLESS WE PULL THEM OUT OF THE BOND OR, YOU KNOW, DEBT SERVICE.
IT SEEMS LIKE MOST OF THOSE ARE NOT WITHIN THE CITY'S CONTROL.
BUT THERE WAS ONE WHERE YOU SAID SHORTAGE OF SKILLED WORKERS.
WAS THAT MORE OF A LIKE THE CONTRACTORS ARE HAVING THAT CHALLENGE OR IS THAT MORE OF LIKE US AS A CITY THAT'S HAVING YOU KNOW, IT WAS IT WAS A CONTRACTORS AND THEY'VE BEEN STRESSING IT OUT AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY SOME OF THEIR CONTRACT COSTS GO UP BECAUSE IF THEY CAN'T GET THE WORKERS AND THEY CAN'T MEET THEIR SCHEDULES, THEN THOSE HOURS AND THOSE COSTS ARE REFLECTED IN THEIR IN THEIR IN THEIR CONSTRUCTION BIDS.
AND IT REFLECTED ALL THE WAY ACROSS.
IT'S NOT LIKE CONTRACTOR A CAN'T GET PEOPLE, BUT CONTRACT B HAS ALL THE PEOPLE.
SO WHEN I SAY THESE THINGS, IT'S ACROSS THE BOARD.
AND THE GOOD CYCLE WOULD BE IF THERE'S A MORE SURPLUS, THEN THE DEMAND, THE PRICE WILL GO DOWN.
LIKE I SAY, WE JUST GOT TO CATCH AND CONTINUE WITH WHAT WE HAVE OUR PROGRAM, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? THEY KNOW WE HAVE A LOT MORE ROADS TO DO.
THEY KNOW WE HAVE THREE MORE YEARS OF WORK.
THEY WANT TO WORK HERE IN PALM BAY, EVEN THOUGH YOU MAY NOT SEE ALL FIVE OF THEM.
THEY CALL ME ALL THE TIME AND ASK THEM, WHY DIDN'T YOU BID? THEY SAID WE HAVE OTHER CHALLENGES.
AND SO AND THESE ARE COMPANIES THAT WANT TO STAY HERE FOR A LONG TIME, LIKE SAYING THE C.W.
THEY JUST BOUGHT THE OLD MANSELL PLANT DOWN THERE IN INDIANTOWN.
THEY WANT TO STAY HERE AND THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE OUR CURRENT CONTRACTORS A RUN FOR THE MONEY.
I'M GLAD THAT THAT'S COMPETITIVE.
A LOT OF PLACES DON'T HAVE THAT.
YES, SIR. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
PAUL EDWARDS FROM THE INFRASTRUCTURE BOARD COMMITTEE.
QUESTION. THE PROJECTED BASED ON YOUR FUTURE CONSIDERATION.
YOU HAVE 13.4 MILLION AND YOU SAID TIME IS THE GREATEST.
CONSIDERATION. BUT LET US SAY THIS 13.4 MILLION HOLDS TRUE.
WOULD WE BE ABLE TO FIND THAT 13.4 MILLION TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT? THAT'S A SUZANNE QUESTION.
I SEE IT OUT THERE AS IS THIS AN OPTION TO THROW OUT THERE? AND I'D SAY AND MAYBE IN SIX MONTHS THAT NUMBER COULD GO DOWN AND MAYBE GO UP.
WE ALL SEE IT AND I'M SAYING WE SEE IT IN OUR TANKS.
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MR WATANABE LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS.CAN WE LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS? MAYBE WE START LOOKING AT THAT WARM MIX.
WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENT COSTS? IT'S THE ASPHALT INDUSTRY IS CHANGING AND THE OTHER PRODUCTS.
I AGREE. WE'RE NOT FAR OFF AND WE'RE NOT WE DON'T NEED TO BUILD OUR ROADS CARRYING 18 WHEELERS, MALABAR ROAD, A WHOLE DIFFERENT STORY WHEN WE PAID THAT ROAD, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT FDOT STANDARD.
BUT DO WE WANT TO MAKE LOCAL STREETS? YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? IT'S NOT.
IT'S NOT. WE'RE WASTING MONEY.
THEN LET'S USE OUR MONEY WHERE WE NEED TO USE OUR MONEY.
IN THE NEXT YEAR WE'LL HAVE A BETTER VIEW IN TERMS OF WHERE THAT TARGET IS GOING TO COME IN AT.
I CALL IT A 5,050% THE BREAK POINT TO SEE WHERE WE'RE AT.
AND I THINK AT 43, I THINK WE'RE DOING GREAT, BETTER THAN 33.
JUST A SECOND. I JUST WANTED AND I, I REMISS MY YOU KNOW, I'M REMISS BY NOT SAYING THIS IN THE BEGINNING, AND I KNOW THAT WE WENT INTO QUESTIONS AND I'M GOING TO ALLOW MISS ANNE MARIE FRAZIER HAVE A QUESTION BEFORE YOU MR MR GONE.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO GO ON THE RECORD AS SAYING THE FIRST THING IS YOUR HARD WORK IN THIS IN THIS UNRELENTLESS BATTLE OF PAVING ROADS.
AND NOT ONLY THAT, I RECOGNIZE THE MEETINGS THAT YOU'VE HAD ALONG WITH OUR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER AND OTHERS, WITH OUR STAKEHOLDERS, WITH OUR BUSINESS PARTNERS, TO GIVE YOU IDEAS ON HOW WE CAN CONTINUE TO INCREASE NOT ONLY OUR RELATIONSHIPS BUT PROVIDE THE SERVICES THAT WE'RE PROVIDING IN PAVING OUR ROADS.
MY QUESTION IS, I WANT TO GO BACK TO 2018, AND I JUST WANT TO KIND OF LIKE SET THE TONE, IF YOU WILL, IN 2018, COVID WAS NOT IN OUR FORESIGHT.
AND I WANT TO PUT THAT IN PERSPECTIVE, BECAUSE YOU STARTED AT 2019 AND THEN 2020 HITS, AND NOW WE HAVE SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES. NOW WE HAVE PETROLEUM COSTS THAT ARE EXTREMELY HIGH.
AND BY YOUR OWN TESTIMONY, YOU'VE SAID THAT WE'VE HAVE NOT STOPPED PAVING ROADS.
WE SHOULD BE AT 50%, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
BUT WE HAVE NOT STOPPED PAVING MORE ROADS.
AND ABSOLUTELY GREAT PRESENTATION.
GREAT JOB THAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING FROM THE START OF IT.
AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORT AND YOUR TIME AS WELL.
NO, ACTUALLY, IT'S ACTUALLY AN INCREASE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE PRICE RANGE, THE 3% WAS MORE LIKE LIKE IT WAS LIKE LIKE $3.
AND NOW THE 6% IS LIKE $7 PER SQUARE YARD.
AND LIKE I SAY, AND MAYBE TO THE POINT WHERE WE COULD DO A LOT MORE.
MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO HIT THOSE STREETS AGAIN.
SO WE DID IT JUST LIKE THEY JUST LIKE THE REJUVENATION.
BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE OTHER PLACES YOU USE MICRO SURFACING AND THEY HAVE NO PROBLEM.
I'VE TALKED TO MANY COUNTIES, A LOT OF AGENCIES.
THEY ALSO USE MICRO SURFACING.
AND AGAIN, MAYBE WERE JUST WE'RE LUCKY PALM BAY.
BUT I'M HOPING THAT THE 6%, WHICH IS A BRAND NEW MIX, AGAIN, THEY'RE USING 6% POLYMER, WHICH IS A LOT STIFFER, JUST LIKE HOW WE PUT THE POLYMER INTO OUR INTO OUR ASPHALT, THE 7622, WE'RE BUMPING IT UP TO THE HIGHER CALIBER STILL AT A VERY LOW COST.
AND WE COULD DO WE COULD DO A LOT MORE MILES OF ROADWAY MICRO SURFACING THAN WE COULD PAVE.
SO WHAT DO WE DO? I MEAN, SO THAT'S THE ONLY OPTION TRULY IS IS MICRO SURFACING OR I HATE TO SAY IT AS MAYOR, SAY LIKE CAPE SEEING FOG SEAL, THAT'S BLACK PAINTING YOUR STREET.
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STRUCTURAL THERE THAT PROVIDES YOU SOME LAST.THEY'RE NOT CONSIDERED ACTUAL ROAD TREATMENT.
THAT'S CORRECT. SO THERE IS NO CURRENT THERE'S NO WAY THAT ANY OF OUR CURRENT PARTNERS WILL BE WILLING TO DO THAT AS A DEMO OPPOSED TO US WAITING ON A PIGGYBACK ON THAT PIGGYBACK FOR NEXT MONTH BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE A CONTRACT TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF IT.
SO THEY'RE ALL GOING TO BE IN THE SAME BOAT.
BUT THE MICRO SURFACING IS A VERY SPECIALIZED.
THERE'S ONLY A FEW COMPANIES THAT DO IT.
I'M JUST I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO APPROVE THOSE CONTRACTS.
AND AS SOON AS THEY GET APPROVED AND THEY GET AWARD OF THOSE CONTRACTS IN GAINESVILLE, OUR PROCUREMENT OFFICES, WE THEN WE CAN PIGGYBACK OFF THAT CONTRACT AND THEN START MOVING FORWARD AND DO THOSE TWO STREETS AS OUR TEST DEMO AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
AND WE'RE GOING TO TEST THE HECK OUT OF IT.
AND THEY KNOW THAT, TOO. AND THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO GIVE US THE CADILLAC OF THAT TEST MATERIAL, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? BECAUSE THEY WANT TO DO THE REST OF OUR STREETS.
I DON'T HAVE THE DETAILS OF THAT.
I LEAVE IT UP TO OUR PROCUREMENT OFFICE.
MR GONE. AGAIN, THOMAS CROMWELL AT THE INFRASTRUCTURE BOARD.
THE FIRST DRAW DIDN'T GO TILL 2019.
THREE YEARS FROM NOW, IT'S 2027.
WE'RE FOUR YEARS AWAY FROM THAT.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE WE'RE IN OUR FIFTH YEAR RIGHT NOW, SO WE HAVE THREE YEARS.
I HATE TO SAY I'M THE WE'RE IN THE YEAR.
SO THIS YEAR I COUNT OF NEXT YEAR, YOU KNOW, SO WE REALLY HAVE ABOUT THREE AND A HALF.
YOU SAY FOUR, BUT WE HAVE THREE AND A HALF YEARS.
I'M SAYING BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BE SHUT DOWN, COMPLETED, PUNCHED OUT WHEN THAT I WOULD SAY THAT THE 2020 7TH NOVEMBER, WHEN I WOULD ASSUME THE TAXPAYERS, WHEN THEY VOTED, IT IS WHEN THE CLOCK STARTED, EVEN THOUGH WE DIDN'T HAVE PLANS, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING READY TO GO.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S WHAT THE TAXPAYERS WILL SEE IT SOMETIMES.
I'M JUST GOING TO JUST I ALWAYS LIKE TO BE MORE CAUTIOUS.
I PREFER WE GET DONE IN THE SEVENTH YEAR.
YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS UP TO ME, I PREFER WE GET DONE IN THE SEVENTH YEAR.
AND IT'S MORE OF I'M LOOKING AT THE DELETIONS OF STREETS FROM UNIT 49, EVEN THOUGH THE RESIDENTS MAY NOT WANT IT WHEN WHEN THIS WAS PRESENTED, THIS REFERENDUM WAS PRESENTED, WAS IT TO PAVE ALL THOSE ROADS? AND IF THAT IS THE IF THAT'S EXACTLY HOW WE SOLD THIS, THEN ARE WE OBLIGED OR WE'RE WE HAVE TO BE REQUIRED BY LAW TO FULFILL THAT MANDATE.
I WOULD IMAGINE THAT'S HOW IT IS.
YEAH. WE WE DISCUSSED THIS TODAY ON THE MIKE.
IS IT ON. CAN YOU GET A CLOSER SIR? OKAY. YEAH.
OKAY. I BELIEVE WE DISCUSSED THIS TODAY IN THE OFFICE ABOUT IT.
I MEAN, IT WOULD BE LEGAL IF, YOU KNOW, WE WE DON'T GET TO ALL OF THEM.
CERTAINLY WE'VE GOT A LOT OF CIRCUMSTANCES THAT HAVE HAPPENED OVER THOSE OVER THIS TIME PERIOD.
BUT YEAH, WE BELIEVE IT WOULD BE IT WOULD BE LEGAL TO IF WE'RE NOT GETTING ALL OF THEM TO NOT COMPLETING WHAT WE PROMISED. YEAH, I BELIEVE THAT'S HOW WE WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING IT TODAY IN THE OFFICE.
AND AND THE REASON I ASK THAT IS BECAUSE I WAS REMINDED BY A REFERENDUM PARKS REFERENDUM YEARS AGO, I KNOW MAYBE NOT THE SAME WITHIN THE COUNTY AND THE COUNTY.
WHAT THEY DID WAS THEY PUT OUT A REFERENDUM TO ADD ON DIFFERENT PROJECTS.
AND THE REASON THEY DID THAT, FROM MY RECOLLECTION, I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, BUT IT WAS BASED ON THEY THEY THE RESIDENTS VOTED FOR THE PROJECT AND THEY SPECIFICALLY HAD EACH AND EVERY PROJECT LISTED.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, THERE WERE DIFFERENT COMMUNITY CENTERS, EXPANSIONS OF PARKS, ETCETERA.
AND IN THAT EXAMPLE THAT I'M SHARING WITH YOU, THEY WERE ALL LISTED.
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SO THEY HAD TO GO BACK OUT AND THE VOTERS AGAIN VOTED FOR IT OVER 60%, THE WAY I RECALL.AND THOSE PROJECTS WERE COMPLETED, WHICH WE ACTUALLY THE CITY NOW HAS TED WHITLOCK COMMUNITY CENTER AND OTHER COMMUNITY CENTERS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY WERE BUILT BY THAT REFERENDUM.
I DON'T RECALL, I SHOULD SAY IF WE LISTED THESE PROJECTS, THESE ROADS, WHEN THE REFERENDUM CAME OUT, OR WAS IT JUST A GENERAL, THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
YES. OKAY. SO I'M GETTING NODS.
YEAH. MY UNDERSTANDING, IF I MAY ADD OR PLEASE, MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IS EXACTLY WHAT THE ATTORNEY IS REFERENCING IS THAT WE WE DECLARED THAT WE WOULD INVEST $150 MILLION IN THE ROAD PROJECTS, BUT WE DID NOT HAVE A LIST THAT WAS PART OF WHAT WE ALL VOTED ON THAT WAS UNIT SPECIFIC.
UM, AND, AND THE OTHER THING WE CAN I'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AS WELL ABOUT IT THAT YOU KNOW, THERE'S UM, BECAUSE WE HAVE AND WILL CONTINUE TO PAVE SIGNIFICANT MAJOR ARTERIAL COLLECTOR ROADS THAT BENEFIT ALL OF THE RESIDENTS IN PALM BAY.
WE FEEL LIKE I DON'T WANT TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE'RE HAVING THE CONVERSATION RIGHT ABOUT NOT PAVING EVERYTHING, BUT WE FEEL LIKE THERE'S ALSO BENEFIT THAT'S BEEN GIVEN TO ALL THE RESIDENTS, REGARDLESS OF WHERE THEY'RE AT.
SO AS AN EXAMPLE, UNIT 49, AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE'RE DOING MADDEN OSMOSIS.
SO FOR THE AREA DOWN THERE, THOSE ARE COMING SOONER.
THAT'S GOING TO BE PART OF WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON THIS THIS YEAR.
DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE NOT GOING TO TRY REALLY HARD TO DO THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I COULDN'T TELL YOU ENTIRELY WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS BETWEEN WHAT WE DID AND WHAT BREVARD DID, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE MADE A MUCH MORE GENERAL STATEMENT THAN PERHAPS THE COUNTY DID. COPY THAT.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? MS.. ANNE MARIE AGAIN.
THE QUESTION THAT I'D ASK THE MINISTER THAT SHOULD ASK YOU IN TERMS OF IF THE OVERAGE WAS TRUE, WOULD WE FIND THE FUNDS TO COMPLETE IT? HE MEANS THE 13.4.
YES, YES, I UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU.
IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. IT'S A HARD QUESTION TO ANSWER JUST EMPHATICALLY.
I CAN TELL YOU WE COULDN'T DO IT.
YOU KNOW, I WAS GOING TO COVER THIS LATER, BUT ONE OF THE THERE'S A FEW DIFFERENT STRATEGIES WE'RE LOOKING AT BECAUSE WE REALLY DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING TO END UP IN ALL OF THIS, BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE SCRUTINIZING IT AT A MUCH MORE FINER FINANCIAL DETAIL LEVEL THAN WE HAVE BEFORE.
EVEN THE MONTHLY REPORTS WE PUT IN THE COUNCIL AGENDA PACKETS EVERY TIME WE HAVE A CHANGE IN CIRCUMSTANCE SURROUNDING THE PROGRAM, WE'VE GOT NEW BIDS IN, WE HAVE NEW NUMBERS, WE'RE GOING TO TWEAK EVERYTHING.
AND EVERY MOMENT WE HAVE A CHANGE IN SOMETHING, IT COULD BE BENEFICIAL TO US.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CAPTURE THAT, BUT ALSO THE REVERSE.
SO THE SHORT ANSWER, I GUESS TO YOUR QUESTION IS THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE'VE STRATEGIZED ABOUT.
FOR EXAMPLE, THERE ARE SPECIFIC DEBT SERVICES THAT WE PAY ON THAT THE CITY HAS HAD FOR MANY YEARS.
SOME OF THOSE END AT CERTAIN POINTS LIKE 2026 OR 2027.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE LONG TERM PICTURE.
WHAT CAN WE HAVE THAT MAYBE COULD BE FREED UP? SO IF I PAY $500,000 IN DEBT SERVICE ON SOMETHING TODAY, WHAT IS THAT TIMING LOOK LIKE? MATCHED UP WITH THE ROAD BOND PROGRAM? WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING I COULD THEN USE TO PAY FOR FUTURE DEBT FINANCING AS AN EXAMPLE TO COVER A GAP? IT'S ALL VERY SPECULATIVE, BUT WE WOULD TRY REALLY HARD TO FIND A WAY BECAUSE JUST AS WE'RE DEEPLY COMMITTED TO OUR ROAD MAINTENANCE FUND STRATEGY AND TO CONTINUE THAT AND MAKE SURE WE NEVER FAIL OUR RESIDENTS IN THAT EVER THE SAME WAY WE'RE COMMITTED TO TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO FUND ALL OF THE ROAD ROAD BOND PROJECTS.
YOU KNOW, I JUST I CAN'T I CAN'T GIVE YOU A FOR SURE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO WORK.
THANK YOU, MISS ANNE-MARIE? YES. MINE IS NOT REALLY A QUESTION.
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ACTUAL AT ALL TIMES ON ONE PAGE VERSUS HAVING TO LIKE FLIP BACK AND FORTH.AND I APOLOGIZE. I JUST DIDN'T HAVE THE TIME.
I KNOW. I KNOW. WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME.
IT'S OKAY. I'LL STAY ON THE SUGGESTION.
MA'AM, I WANT TO GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO WEIGH IN AT THIS TIME.
SO IF WE COULD GET HIM A MIC, I'D REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
THANK YOU. BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.
I HAVE FOUR ITEMS I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS ON THIS ONE.
THAT HAPPENS TO BE THE GATEWAY TO THE COMPOUND.
AND THE REASON I'M BRINGING THIS UP IS ON MARCH 30TH, WE HAVE A MEETING PERTAINING TO THE COMPOUND.
SO THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION, IS THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY NOT LOOK AT 49.
I UNDERSTAND THAT'S A LOT OF MILES AND IT'S IN BAD, BAD SHAPE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT. AND IT'D BE FULL, MASSIVE BUILD.
BUT THAT IS STILL ALSO PART OF THE GATEWAY TO THE COMPOUND.
AND AND IF WE'RE TRYING TO PROMOTE THE COMPOUND, WE BETTER MAKE SURE THAT IT LOOKS PRESENTABLE.
ITEM NUMBER TWO, SOME ROADS MIGHT NOT BE DONE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT. I'VE LIVED HERE 36 YEARS AND OVER THOSE 36 YEARS, FOUR TIMES I'VE HAD TO PAY FOR THE ROADS FOR THE CITY OF PALM BAY IN VARIOUS FORMS. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I ACTUALLY GOT A PAVED ROAD OUT OF THAT 36 YEARS.
SO IT MIGHT BE A PILL TO SWALLOW.
THAT WAS UNDER MAYOR CAPOTE'S STEWARDSHIP OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY.
RIGHT. I DON'T WANT TO SEE US REPEAT THAT.
AND SO JUST FOR THAT SIMPLE FACT, THAT $9 MILLION THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY PAYING THAT A BUILDER WAS GOING TO PAY FOR, THAT WOULD HAVE ONLY LEFT US WITH A $4 MILLION SHORTFALL IF WE WOULD HAVE PAID ATTENTION AND NOT GIVEN IN TO THE BUILDERS.
ITEM NUMBER FOUR DO NOT STOP FUNDING SOURCE FOR THE REJUVENATION.
WHEN IT FAILS, WE'RE GOING WE'RE BACKSLIDING.
WELL, THAT AND THAT'S ALL I HAD.
SO YOU GUYS HAVE A CHOICE TO MAKE OR TO PRESENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND SOME PEOPLE MIGHT NOT BE HAPPY AND OTHERS THAT HAVE THEIR ROADS ARE VERY HAPPY.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I'D LIKE TO SPEAK AS A CITIZEN, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.
SO NON-AGENDA ITEM YOU WANT TO COME UP AS A PUBLIC SPEAKER? AS A CITIZEN? YES, SIR.
OKAY, CARRY ON. I'LL ALLOW IT.
ACTUALLY, IT'S A NON AGENDA ITEM.
COUNCILMAN JOHNSON ABOUT THIS PRIMER.
FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO START OFF BY SAYING THAT WHEN I HEAR RESIDENTS COMPLAINING ABOUT BABCOCK STREET AND MALABAR STREET AND EVERYTHING ELSE, THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
MISS SHERMAN FRANK, PHIL WEINBERG, WHO WAS JUST REELECTED AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE SPACE COAST TPO CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE. I'M ON THAT BOARD, BUT ALL I HAD TO DO WAS SHOW UP AND SING ALONG TO THE HYMNAL BECAUSE ALL THE GROUNDWORK HAD BEEN LAID.
AND REGIONALLY, WE'RE NUMBER ONE.
AND NUMBER TWO WITH THE WIDENING OF BABCOCK STREET AND MALABAR ROAD.
AND THAT'S A PRODUCT OF OF YOUR WORK.
ONE THING IS THAT OUR BOARD HAS TALKED ABOUT OVER THE LAST YEAR WAS WE BROUGHT IN SPACE COAST AREA TRANSIT TO TALK ABOUT BUS SERVICE AND HOW POOR OUR BUS SERVICE IS IN THE CITY.
PALM BAY MAKES UP 20% OF THE POPULATION IN BREVARD COUNTY.
I KNOW THAT MELBOURNE, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE.
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TESLAS GO AROUND AND PICK PEOPLE UP AND TAKE THEM SOMEPLACE ELSE IN THE CITY FOR FREE, ALL IN THE NAME OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE THE DOLLARS STAY IN THEIR CITY THAT WAY.SO I THINK THE SAME IS TRUE WITH THE BUS.
AND THE OTHER ISSUE I HAVE WELL, TWO ISSUES.
ONE IS THERE ARE ONLY ONE WAY FOR ME TO GO FROM MY HOUSE OUT BY FRED POPPY PARK UP HERE TO CITY HALL MEANS I HAVE TO GO TO MELBOURNE SQUARE MALL TO HERON'S LANDING ON PALM BAY ROAD BEFORE I GET HERE.
I CAN GET HOME IN TEN MINUTES.
BECAUSE IT'S A STRAIGHT SHOT, BUT IT'S A ONE WAY BUS SERVICE.
SO IT TAKES AN HOUR AND A HALF IN ORDER TO GO FOUR MILES DOWN THE ROAD FROM HOME.
BUT OUR BUS STOPS HERE ARE A REAL CONCERN TO ME.
BECAUSE NONE OF THEM YOU CAN GET MAYBE 10% OF OUR BUS STOPS YOU CAN GET TO WITH A WHEELCHAIR OR A WALKER AND OUR SPECIAL OLYMPIC KIDS, THAT'S THEIR PRIMARY MEANS OF TRANSPORTATION.
SO. WHAT I'M HOPING FOR IS THAT WE COULD USE THE SAME EFFORT THAT WE USED TO GET ONE AND TWO ON THE REGIONAL FOR MALABAR ROAD AND BABCOCK STREET.
AND SO, MADAM CHAIRMAN, WE COULD PROBABLY THE BUS ROUTES ARE SCAT DRIVEN COUNTY BUSSES.
RIGHT? SO WE COULD PROBABLY REACH OUT IN THAT REGARD.
AND I THINK THAT'S THE DIRECTION, BECAUSE IT'S TRUE.
THOSE BUS ROUTES ARE REALLY COMPLEX, RIGHT? THEY GO TO VIERA, THEY GO ALL OVER.
BUT CERTAINLY MORE INTERACTIONS.
AND I THINK WE COULD EVEN GET CONSENSUS ON COUNCIL FOR THE MAYOR TO SEND A LETTER IN THAT REGARD.
BUT LET I THINK IT'S TIME THAT WE HAVE THEM LOOK AT THIS, THE MOST POPULATED CITY IN IN OUR AREA.
AND THE MOST POPULATED AREA IN OUR IN OUR COUNTY.
AND YET WE'RE WE'RE REALLY DEFICIENT WHEN IT COMES TO THE TRANSPORTATION AREA.
THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOWER THE COST AND SEE WHAT WHAT IMPACT THAT WOULD HAVE.
BUT, DEPUTY MAYOR, YOU WANTED TO ADD SOMETHING.
THANK YOU. MAYOR. YEAH, THAT'S A CONVERSATION THAT I BROUGHT UP BEFORE THE LITTLE QUICK HISTORY.
THE DIRECTOR OF THIS DEPARTMENT RIGHT NOW, THE TRANSIT VILLAGE IN PALM BAY, IS ONE OF OUR RESIDENTS.
THE CHALLENGE IS AND IT'S THE MAKEUP OF OUR CITY AS WELL, THE TERRITORY.
WE HAVE SUCH A LARGE TERRITORY.
HOW OUR HOUSING IS SCATTERED AROUND FOUR QUADRANT OF THE CITY.
UM, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE FUNDING IS AT THE BASE OF EVERYTHING, BUT TO YOUR POINT, MR. GUM, IS THAT, YEAH, ADVOCACY GOES A LONG WAY, RIGHT? SO IT WASN'T ALWAYS THE CASE WHERE WE HAVE YOU ON THE LIST OF THE PRIORITY FOR, FOR YEARS WE HAVE REPRESENTATION, BUT WITH, WITH THE WORK WE'VE DONE KUDOS TO TO THE MEMBERS ON ON THIS THIS COUNCIL WE WERE ABLE TO ESCALATE FROM NUMBER 1612 TO NUMBER ONE AND TWO. SO AND THAT THAT GOES A LONG WAY.
BUT JUST SO YOU KNOW, I PERSONALLY ENGAGE WITH THE DIRECTOR.
HE'S IN PALM BAY, IS VERY AWARE OF THE SITUATION.
BUT FUNDING ALWAYS A VERY, YOU KNOW, A VERY CHALLENGING ISSUE.
AND MISS SHERMAN, WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION.
SO I WAS FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO PARTICIPATE IN THE CLEAN TRANSPORTATION BIG SUMMIT IN COCOA.
ONE OF THE COMPANY THAT'S THERE, YOU MAKE REFERENCE TO IT AND I TELL YOU THE NAME IS FREEBIES.
IT'S A PRETTY COOL ORGANIZATION.
IT DOESN'T COST THE TAXPAYER A DIME.
IN SOME CASES, SOME COMMUNITY MAY HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE.
WHAT IT DOES IS PROVIDE FREE RIDES.
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BUT IT'S ALL FUNDED BY THE TPO, I'M SORRY, BY FDOT TRANSPORTATION GRANTS.AND FOR THE MOST PART, THAT'S HOW IT WORKS.
MISS SHERMAN AND I HAD THAT CONVERSATION.
I CONNECTED WITH ONE OF THE REPRESENTATIVES REPRESENTATIVE AT THE EVENT I WENT TO.
YEAH, SO THIS IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT THAT WOULD BE GREAT FOR OUR COMMUNITY, $0 TO TAXPAYERS.
SO IT'S ALL FUNDED BY, YOU KNOW, THE THE STATE.
SO THE ACTUAL FUNDING IS FEDERAL FUNDING.
AND SO WE DO PAY FOR THAT TAX WISE, IF YOU WILL.
BUT THAT IS THAT IS THE FUNDING.
IT IS FEDERAL, IT IS FEDERALLY FUNDED.
BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, I THINK WE'VE GOT ENOUGH TO SEND A LETTER TO WHETHER IT'S THE COUNTY MANAGER TO TAKE THE A LOOK AT OUR OUR BUS ROUTES AND WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.
OR IF YOU'D LIKE, I CAN JUST START WITH ANOTHER CONVERSATION FRESH WITH THE DIRECTOR OF SPACE COAST AREA TRANSIT AND GET A SENSE OF WHERE THEY'RE AT AND WHAT THEIR THE FUNDING ISSUES ARE.
THE CHALLENGES. OKAY. JUST KIND OF UNDERSTANDING WHERE THEY'RE AT.
AND I CAN REPORT THAT BACK TO COUNCIL.
THAT'LL WORK. SO I CAN BRING YOU AN INFO REPORT.
MAYOR SO WE GOT OFF. WE GOT OFF TRACK A LITTLE BIT HERE.
I JUST ALSO WANTED TO ADD I BELIEVE THE CDB CDB BOARD ADVOCATED FOR FUNDING THROUGH CDBG THIS.
HERE FOR A PILOT PROGRAM TO PAY FOR NO COST BUS ROUTE SERVICE THROUGH THE CITY OF PALM BAY.
SO THAT WAS A NEW PROGRAM THAT.
YEAH, THAT WAS APPROVED TO HELP PAY THROUGH THE LOW TO MODERATE INCOME BRACKET TO START THIS YEAR.
SO NOT FUNDED THROUGH THE GENERAL FUND LIKE MELBOURNE'S PROGRAM IS FUNDED.
BUT TO USE ANOTHER SOURCE OF FUNDING THAT THE CITY OF PALM BAY HAS TO PAY FOR.
REBECCA, WOULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME? I'M SORRY? REBECCA TIBBOTT THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, MA'AM. OKAY, SO LET'S, LET'S GET BACK ON TRACK.
THANK YOU. WE TOOK A LITTLE DIFFERENT SIDE.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS THAT WERE WAITING TO SPEAK OR WE ALL GOOD OR MISS STATE YOUR NAME? LOGAN LEWIS. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I THINK IF IT IF THE GENERAL CONSENSUS WAS KIND OF TELLING THE TAXPAYERS FOR WHAT THEY VOTED ON, THAT 49 WOULD BE COMPLETED.
WE SHOULDN'T LEAVE THINGS UNPAVED.
BUT IF WE HAVE MEANS TO LOWER THAT TO 13 MILLION OR EVEN MORE, I THINK THAT'S AWESOME.
DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA AND MAYBE YOU HAVEN'T DONE THE NUMBERS, BUT WHAT COULD THAT SAVINGS BE? IF WE WERE ABLE TO DO MORE THAN 10%, WOULD THAT COULD THAT POTENTIALLY GET US DOWN TO THE NORMAL BUDGET OR.
I BELIEVE THE ANSWER IS GOING TO BE YES.
HOWEVER, HOPEFULLY BY THE NEXT MEETING I'LL HAVE A BETTER ASSESSMENT OF THE PHASE FIVE UNITS.
BUT PER THE ORIGINAL 2017, THEY CALL IT THE PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX.
THOSE WERE ALL RATED IN THE 80 SECONDS.
I'M HOPING THAT THEY'RE STILL GOING TO BE IN THE 70 SECONDS.
THAT MEANS THEY'RE STILL QUALIFIED FOR MICRO SURFACING.
SO I WOULD SAY DEFINITELY HIGHER THAN THE 10%.
I'M HOPING THERE'LL BE MAYBE EVEN CLOSER TO 20%.
AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE THE TRUE NUMBERS UNTIL I DO THE ASSESSMENTS, AND THESE ARE PHYSICAL ASSESSMENTS THAT MYSELF AND JOHN MCCALL WILL GO OUT THERE AND WALK THROUGH THE STREETS AND GET A BETTER IDEA. JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU DO THESE PAVEMENT ASSESSMENTS, THEY'RE DONE.
SO IT'S DONE BY VISUALLY LOOKING AT THE SURFACE AND SEEING IF THERE'S ANY ANOMALIES, DEFICIENCIES.
AND THEN IT'S DONE BY RIDEABILITY.
AND THOSE ARE SIGNS OF BASE FAILURES.
AND ARE THEY LARGE ENOUGH TO THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE TO DO FDR? ARE THEY SMALL ENOUGH THAT WE JUST DO SOME PATCH REPAIRS? AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF OUR STREETS AND OUR LOCALS, THERE'S SMALL WE JUST DO PATCH REPAIRS AND NOT DO FULL ROWS OF FRS AND THAT ROAD WILL LAST US 20, 30 YEARS.
AND SO ONCE WE DO THAT ASSESSMENT, MYSELF AND OUR INSPECTORS, WE'LL HAVE A BETTER GRASP.
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I DON'T THINK ROADS FALL APART THAT FAST.ONCE IT GETS PAST THAT 50%, WHAT HAPPENS IS NOW THE THE MATERIAL IS BROKEN UP.
SO WATER IS GETTING IN FASTER.
SO THAT'S WHAT ESCALATES EVEN FASTER.
SO IT MAY NOT BE 13, MAY BE BETTER.
SO TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, THEY UTILIZE THIS.
YOU SAID GAINESVILLE GOT IT FROM TEXAS.
YES, CORRECT. THE ACTUAL 6% COMPANY COMES FROM TEXAS, IS ORIGINATED FROM TEXAS.
THEY USE IT TO TEXAS DOT, I BELIEVE OTHER STATES.
WE'RE ONE OF THE EARLIEST STATES THAT F.IS A VERY THEY'RE VERY SCIENTIFIC.
IT TAKES A LONG TIME FOR THEM TO GET ON THEIR APPROVED PRODUCT LISTING.
SO THEY'LL TEST IT OUT TO MAKE SURE OTHER STATES PASS.
BUT THESE OTHER STATES I'M TALKING ABOUT TEXAS DOT M, DOT, DOT, DOT.
AND SO IF THEY'RE SAYING IT'S A GOOD MATERIAL AND THEY'RE USING IT, I HAVE HIGH CONFIDENCE.
AND IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAVE EVEN MORE MONEY, GET THAT LINE ITEM FURTHER DOWN AND POTENTIALLY DOING MORE PERCENTAGE OF THE ROADS REMAINING, I THINK THAT'S WELL WORTH THE TEST AND MAKING SURE THAT WE CAN DO THAT.
I THINK THEY'RE CLIMATE TEMPERATURE.
WHO WISE IS GOOD OR THE SAME AS HERE.
OBVIOUSLY, WE GET MORE RAIN, WE HAVE MORE WEATHER, HURRICANES, THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
BUT THOSE ARE SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES.
SO THAT'S JUST MY $0.02, I GUESS, IS THAT IF WE CAN SAVE THAT MONEY, DO THE TESTING AND MAYBE JUST DO THE LAYERS OVER YEAR, TWO YEAR OR THREE YEARS THROUGH WHATEVER, I THINK THAT'D BE REALLY GOOD.
SO I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF GET A THERMOSTAT FOR THESE FUTURE CONSIDERATIONS.
PG, THE SAVINGS OF OVER $68 MILLION.
AND IS EVERYONE ON THIS COUNCIL GOOD WITH THOSE REDUCTIONS? AND OF COURSE, WE DON'T HAVE THE BOTTOM LINE.
THIS IS THIS REDUCTION, THIS SHORTFALL AT THAT POINT WOULD BE 13.4.
I'M JUST LOOKING TO GIVE OUR OUR MANAGEMENT STAFF DIRECTION AT THIS POINT.
WHAT WHAT ARE WHAT ARE THE THOUGHTS? ARE WE GOOD WITH THESE ITEMS? I THINK THAT'S THAT'S 68.
AND THEN THESE ARE EXTREMELY COST SAVING MEASURES.
AND SOMEHOW REGARDING THE GATEWAY TO THE COMPOUND, BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE A WORKSHOP AND AND WE DO HAVE SOME STRATEGIES THAT WILL BE LOOKING INTO I DON'T WANT TO MIX BOTH WORKSHOPS TOGETHER, BUT THAT WAS A VALID POINT MADE TO THE GATEWAY OF THE COMPOUND BEING WROTE, YOU KNOW, UNIT 49.
SO CAN YOU JUST ADDRESS THAT BEFORE WE START TO HONE IN ON ON.
YEAH, SURE. NOT HAVING GIVEN GIVEN THAT A LOT OF DEEP THOUGHT BECAUSE IT JUST CAME UP TONIGHT.
MY INITIAL RESPONSE OR THOUGHT ON THAT WAS YOU KNOW WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE GATEWAY, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT AT NEXT WEEK'S WORKSHOP IS THERE'S MAJOR ROADWAYS THAT GO INTO THE COMPOUND.
UNIT 49 IS THE UNIT THAT YOU GO THROUGH ON YOUR WAY INTO UNITS 51, 52, 53 SO THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO THAT WILL NOT COST A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT MAKES THOSE AREAS PRESENTABLE AS YOU DRIVE THROUGH THEM.
AND I DON'T SEE THAT IT HAS A MASSIVE IMPACT ON WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IN THE COMPOUND.
SO COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, I'LL TOSS IT OVER TO YOU FIRST, SIR.
I DO WANT US TO KEEP AN OPEN I DO WANT US TO KEEP AN OPEN MIND ON UNIT 49, BECAUSE I REMEMBER EVEN BACK IN 2019, THOSE RESIDENTS PACKED THIS ROOM AND THEY SHARED THAT THEY ONLY CARED ABOUT MADDEN AND OSMOSIS.
AND I REMEMBER THE IOB SUPPORTED THAT BACK THEN AS WELL AS COUNCIL.
ARE THERE ARE THOSE, THOSE CULVERTS, DO THEY NEED TO BE REPLACED AS WELL? YES, SIR. OKAY.
SO WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT THAT TOO.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER FUNDING FACTOR AS WELL TO LOOK AT.
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UM, SO I DO WANT US TO LOOK AT THAT WITH AN OPEN MIND.ONE THING I DID WANT TO ASK YOU, MR. WATANABE, FIRST OFF, THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER.
UM, THIS IS THE SECOND THAT WE'VE HAD.
AND SINCE HERE WE ARE TRYING TO REASSESS AND I APPRECIATE STAFF.
SO BACK ALMOST EXACTLY A YEAR AGO, WE HAD A REVIEW OF DRAINAGE AND ROADWAYS UNITS 23, 31, 24 AND 25 BY MR. TORBEN ABBOTT.
ONE SETTING PIPES TO MINIMUM COVER DEPTH, POSSIBLY RAISED SLIGHTLY BY CREATING SLIGHT RAISE AND PAVEMENT OVER PIPES TO SELECTIVELY USING CONCRETE PIPES TO MINIMIZE CULVERT DEPTHS.
THREE USED HEADWALL AND TREATMENT ON CULVERT PIPES AND FOUR PROVIDE GUARDRAIL IN AREAS WHERE DEPRESSED CULVERT ENDS PRESENT RISK TO VEHICLES. HAVE WE TAKEN THOSE INTO CONSIDERATION? HAVE WE IMPLEMENTED THOSE? AND IF WE HAVEN'T, ARE WE GOING TO? YES, WE ARE. WE'VE LOOKED AT THOSE FOUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND WE APPLY THOSE AS NEEDED TO OUR ROAD PROGRAM.
AND SO OUR PIPE SYSTEM, YOU HAVE TO HAVE COVERAGE AND TO PLACE A PIPE THAT IS NOT THERE.
NOW, YOU GOT YOU GOT A PROBLEM.
YOU KNOW, EITHER WE DROP THE PIPE DOWN TO COVER IT AND THEN WE HAVE A PROBLEM NOW WITH THE PIPE BEING TOO LOW OR WE RAISE THE PIPE UP, WE HAVE A HUMP IN THE ROAD AND THAT BECOMES AN ISSUE. AND THEN WE TRY TO GET AROUND THAT WHEN WE DO THE FDR SO WE CAN SLIGHTLY RAISE THE ROADS AND WE'VE DONE THAT.
AND YOU CAN'T TELL THAT THAT PIPE WAS RAISED UP, YOU KNOW, AND THAT THE ROAD WAS RAISED UP.
AND HE BROUGHT THOSE UP AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIX THOSE WITH THE GDC THAT WAS ESTABLISHED.
BUT THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM IS SOUND BECAUSE WE'VE NEVER CHANGED THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM WITH ALL THOSE OUTFALLS ARE SET THAT GOES INTO DETERMINES THAT WE ARE FOLLOWING AND WITH THOSE GUIDELINES THAT HE MENTIONED, YES, WE TRY TO USE NOW CONCRETE PIPE AS WELL AS PLASTIC PIPE.
WE LOOK AT THE END TREATMENTS IF WE CAN'T APPLY HEAD WALLS.
THE ISSUE AGAIN WITH THE HEAD WALLS WAS EARLY ON DISCUSSION AND MY PREDECESSOR HE'S HE'S ALL INTO CONCRETE PIPES AND HEAD WALLS BUT WHEN WE DID A QUICK ANALYSIS YOU KNOW IF YOU STARTED ADDING HEAD WALLS TO ALL OF THEM JUST TO THROW IT OUT, ALL THE HEAD WALLS, YOU'RE ADDING 300 HALF MILLION DOLLARS.
THAT'S PIPES YOU COULD LAY IN THE ROADS.
WE COULDN'T WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY.
WE THERE'S IT'D BE IT'D BE JUST THE NUMBER OF PIPE CROSSINGS WE HAVE IS, IS HUGE.
WE ONLY DO WHAT'S FAILED AND WE TRY TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE AHEAD OF THE ROAD PROGRAM.
SO THE ISSUE IS WE'RE DOING THE BEST WE CAN WITH CONCRETE PIPES, WITH HEAD WALLS, GUARDRAILS ISSUE.
IT'S MAINLY JUST TO HAVE A DROP OFF SO WE COULD WE COULD FILL UP THE SWELL.
SO IT HAS A SLOPE THAT'S 4 TO 1 THAT MEETS THE SAFETY ZONES.
AND WHAT WE DO IS WE PUSH THE PIPE OUT A LITTLE BIT FARTHER.
SO WE HAVE THAT. YOU COULD SEE THAT CLEAR ZONE.
WHERE'S THIS STUCK WITH THE PAVE SWELL.
AND SO THOSE ARE CHALLENGES WE'RE GOING TO KEEP HAVING IN THESE AREAS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO THIS WHOLE PROGRAM GOT STARTED BECAUSE WHEN I GOT HERE.
AND WE GOT WE HAVE OUR GOAL NOW.
WE HAD A MISSION AND THE MISSION WAS TO GET THE ROADS PAVED.
AND MY PREDECESSORS CAME UP WITH A GREAT PLAN THAT THE COUNCIL APPROVED.
AND WITH THAT CAME THE PIPE, THE PIPES.
THAT MEANS THE PIPES GOT TO STAY AHEAD OF EACH OF THE UNITS.
AND WE'VE BEEN DOING OUR BEST TO KEEP THOSE PIPES.
AND WE HAVE BEEN THOSE PIPES ARE STAYING AHEAD OF THE ROAD PROGRAM.
OUR ROAD PROGRAM HAS NOT BEEN HINDERED BY THE PIPE PROGRAM.
JUST TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT WE HAVE BEEN PAVING AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO KEEP PAVING.
SO COULD YOU SPEAK TO THE PIPES FOR UNIT 49 THEN?
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ACTUALLY, JOHN, HELP ME OUT HERE.WE DID SOME PIPES, DID WE NOT? PIPES ALL ALONG. CAN WE GET HIM A MIC, PLEASE? PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. JOHN.
JOHN MCCALL, SENIOR ENGINEERING INSPECTOR, PUBLIC WORKS.
WE DID DO THE EVALUATIONS ON THE CULVERTS ALONG MADDEN AND OSMOSIS.
AND THOSE PIPES HAVE BEEN REPLACED, SO THAT'S ALL TAKEN CARE OF.
HOWEVER, THE UNIT ITSELF, I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THERE'S A BUNCH OF PIPES THAT ARE FAILED.
THANK YOU, JOHN. THANK YOU, FRANK.
SO TO CONCLUDE, MAYOR, I'M GOOD WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PROVIDED SUGGESTIONS, BUT I DO WANT US TO HAVE AN OPEN MIND ON UNIT 49, CONSIDERING THE CULVERTS WILL HAVE TO BE REPLACED FIRST BEFORE, WELL, THE PIPES WILL HAVE TO BE REPLACED FIRST BEFORE WE EVEN PAVE.
AND I KNOW THE COMPOUND WAS TIED INTO IT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, FOR THE DEVELOPING OF THE COMPOUND, WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT NEXT WEEK.
SO I DO WANT US TO KEEP AN OPEN MIND ON UNIT 49 AND NOT TOTALLY CLOSE IT OUT LIKE THAT CAN BE LIKE MAYBE A LAST RESORT, BUT I WANT US TO KEEP THAT OPEN MIND, ESPECIALLY BEING THAT THE RESIDENTS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ARE OPEN TO IT AS WELL BECAUSE THEY HAVE THEIR MAIN CORRIDOR OF MADDEN AND OSMOSIS.
MAYOR. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT.
COUNCILMAN JOHNSON DEPUTY MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU THE THE MIC AT THIS TIME.
THANK YOU, MAYOR. COUNCILWOMAN JOHNSON I FELT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT ABOUT THE APPROACH.
WELL, NUMBER ONE, ON THE CURRENT SCHEDULE, 49 IS THE LAST UNIT, RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT. SO SO IT IS TO THAT POINT, TO YOUR POINT, IT IS IN THE BACK BURNER ALREADY AS IT IS, RIGHT? CORRECT. CURRENTLY SCHEDULED, CORRECT.
SO SO MY THING IS WE GO OUT, PUT A PROPOSAL BEFORE THE VOTERS.
WE'LL GET X AMOUNT OF MILES PAID.
YOU'LL PAY INTO IT ON A YEARLY BASIS.
THEN WE'RE GOING TO REMOVE IT OR DO HALF OF IT.
I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD, KEEP 49 INTO CONSIDERATION.
WE? YEAH, 49 SHOULD STAY ON SCHEDULE, IN MY OPINION.
I THINK THAT'S DOING THE RIGHT THING BY THE VOTERS.
YOU GOT 1 OR 2 RESIDENTS AND THERE'S NOT THAT MANY RESIDENTS OUT THERE ANYWAY.
YOU GOT A FEW THAT GET REAL LOUD.
I MEAN, FAMILIES OUT THERE, HOW MANY OF THE X AMOUNT THAT DON'T WANT PAVING? I KNOW I WANT PAVING.
YOU KNOW, I WOULD WANT PAVING IT INCREASE MY PROPERTY BY 15%.
WHY WOULD I NOT WANT THAT? SO YOU MAY HAVE 1 OR 2 PEOPLE THAT LIKE THEIR THEIR WAY OF LIVING.
THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS, MAYBE LIKE A LITTLE MUDDING OR WHATEVER THE CASE MIGHT BE.
SO I SO I WOULD, BEFORE WE EVEN ALL THIS SHOULD BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, LET'S DO A REAL SURVEY, FIND OUT HOW MANY OUT OF X AMOUNT THAT REALLY WANT IT.
I GUARANTEE YOU IT WILL BE VERY LITTLE.
I'M ALMOST GUARANTEE YOU THAT.
SO TO THAT POINT, I THINK 49 SHOULD STAY ON OUR STORMWATER FUNDING WHERE THAT CURRENT THAT WOULD BE THE FUNDING SOURCE THAT WOULD ADDRESS ALL PIPE ISSUE.
I DON'T CURRENTLY KNOW WHERE WE ARE IN TERMS OF THAT, BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT SOURCE OF FUNDING, RIGHT? THAT SHOULD NOT BE MIXED INTO THAT.
THESE ARE THE ONES WE INSTALL THESE LARGE BOX CULVERTS.
SO NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HALF $1 MILLION.
SO AND WE HAVE A LOT OF THESE BOX CULVERTS WE GOT TO PUT IN.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE NOT DOING ALL THE PIPE CROSSINGS, SO JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE WHEN PEOPLE SAY YOU'VE DONE MY MY UNIT AND THE PIPES ARE GOOD, WE DIDN'T DO ALL OF THEM. SO I'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT CONCEPT AND SAY, BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY WE COULD DO ALL THE PIPE CROSSINGS.
OKAY. THE TO TO CONCLUDE, I WANT TO DRUG THAT TOO LONG.
AS FAR AS 49, I THINK 49 IS JUST STAY AT THE PG MAYOR, YOU MENTIONED THAT.
I THINK THAT SHOULD BE HEAVILY TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.
I THINK WE NEED TO FOCUS ON OTHER SOURCES, BUT TAKE 49 OUT OF THE EQUATION.
I WOULD I WOULD HIGHLY DISAGREE.
I THINK WE HAVE TO HOLD OUR PROMISE AS WE THAT'S HOW WE WAS PRESENTED TO THE VOTERS.
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THAT'S HOW THEY VOTED.THEY'VE BEEN CONTRIBUTING INTO IT THE LAST SO MANY YEARS AND THEY WILL CONTINUE.
DEPUTY MAYOR. I GOT TO TELL YOU, YOU BRING UP.
I THINK WE COULD WE COULD GET THERE BOTH BOTH WAYS.
I THINK COUNCILMAN JOHNSON ALREADY SAID, HEY, LET'S KEEP THAT OPEN.
RIGHT. SO I THINK WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE PG, NO PG, THAT SAVES 68.
WHAT IF BECAUSE TO GO DOWN THAT PATH OF.
WE'RE HEARING THAT THE PIPING ALONE MAY BE AN ASTRONOMICAL AMOUNT OF MONEY.
AND IN THAT THE ONLY OPTION I SEE WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT FUNDING SOURCES, A VOTER CAN CONSIDERATION OF AN ADDITIONAL BOND ISSUANCE WITH THAT STRATEGY.
IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING YOU FROM? YOU KNOW, ONE THING I JUST WANTED TO QUICKLY SAID WHEN I SAID OTHER SOURCES WERE REFERRING TO PIPES, I KNOW THAT THAT'S MORE OF A STORMWATER FUNDING SOURCE THAT WOULD ADDRESS THAT.
OKAY. RIGHT. SO SO BUT IN TERMS OF.
YES, LOOKING ELSEWHERE TO MAKE UP FOR THE SHORTFALL, BUT I WOULDN'T WANT 49 OUT OF THE EQUATION IN IN ORDER FOR US TO TRY TO SAVE SAVE YOU KNOW MAKE UP FOR THE FOUR CHILDREN.
OKAY. SO YOU WANT TO KEEP 49 IN THE EQUATION AND HOW WOULD WE PAY FOR IT? I MEAN, THE OTHER OPTION IN TERMS OF WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US TONIGHT, RIGHT? WE HAVE THE THREE, CERTAINLY THE PG.
ROUTE TO CONSIDER THAT HEAVILY.
I WOULD GO AS YOU KNOW, FRANK FEEL VERY CONFIDENT INTO THAT PRODUCT THAT WE WE CAN USE.
I WOULD CERTAINLY CONSIDER THAT.
MISS SHERMAN TALKED ABOUT SOME OF OUR DEBT SERVICES WITHIN THE NEXT 2 OR 3 YEARS.
OKAY. NOW I GOT A BETTER PICTURE OF WHERE YOU WERE GOING BECAUSE.
RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. NOW I GOT TO SUPPORT GENERAL FUNDS.
I KNOW THAT MAY NOT BE POPULAR WITH BILL BATTEN, BUT BILL BATTEN LOVE, YOU KNOW, GOOD ROADS AS WELL.
SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LEAN ON.
SO THAT THAT WOULD BE MY FOCUS POINT.
YES. IS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE CONSIDERATIONS.
RIGHT. AND KEEP AN OPEN MIND TO KEEPING 49 COMPLETED.
CORRECT. AND THEN HEARING DEBT FUNDING OPTIONS AS THEY COME OFF.
SO GENERAL FUND WOULD MAKE THE DIFFERENCE, BUT THEN BEING REPLACED BY DEBT FUNDING AS THEY COME OFF? OKAY. I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE GENERAL FUNDING ASPECT.
LET'S LOOK AT LET'S LOOK AT WE HAVE ENOUGH.
I THINK, MADAM CHAIRMAN, I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH IF WE ALL CAN AGREE.
RIGHT. IF WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT SHORTFALL RIGHT NOW IS ESTIMATED AT 13.4 MILLION.
WE DON'T KNOW THAT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF NOT REMOVING ALL OF 49, WE CAN GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING IN THE FUTURE FROM FRANK.
RIGHT. BECAUSE HE WASN'T READY TO GIVE US ALL THOSE NUMBERS, IS THAT CORRECT, MADAM CHAIRMAN? YES. AND SO WHAT I'M LOOKING TO DO IS TO GIVE YOU ENOUGH DIRECTION SO THAT WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT'S THE DIRECTION.
SO, MADAM CHAIRMAN, I'M GOING TO TOSS IT TO YOU.
SO I JUST WANT TO START BY SAYING, MA'AM, ARE YOU ON THE MIC? AM I ON THE MIC? CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? EXCELLENT. ALL RIGHT. I WANT TO START BY SAYING I ACTUALLY DO NOT WANT ANYONE TO COME AWAY FROM THIS MEETING THINKING WE'RE REALLY HUNG UP ON REMOVING STREETS TODAY OR ELIMINATING 49.
BUT WE WANTED TO HAVE A VERY REALISTIC CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT THE MATH IS SHOWING TODAY.
UM, WE REALLY JUST NEEDED A SENSE OF ARE YOU WILLING TO HAVE US LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS, MORE CREATIVE STRATEGIES, FOR EXAMPLE, THE BIGGEST ONE I THINK FOR US IS GOING TO BE THIS ELIMINATION OF THE PERFORMANCE GRADE ASPHALT.
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AND IF ON THE ADVICE OF STAFF AND ALSO OUTSIDE VERIFICATION, WHICH WE WILL DO TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S COMFORTABLE, WE CAN SAY WITH CONFIDENCE THAT REMOVING THAT STILL GIVES YOU A QUALITY ROAD THAT WORKS WELL ON LOCAL STREETS.I'M FINE MAKING THAT RECOMMENDATION TO YOU.
THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THIS HELPS US GUIDE, GUIDE US, GUIDES US TO THAT.
RIGHT. THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN COST.
THE TEAM. FRANK EVERYONE KNOWS HOW HESITANT IS MAYBE THE LIGHT WORD I COULD USE THAT I WAS TO EVEN EVER CONSIDER MICRO SURFACING AGAIN BECAUSE OF ALL THE PROBLEMS WE HAD IN 17 AND 46.
BUT I, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM.
SO I AM OPEN TO DOING THIS DEMO.
I'M OPENING, YOU KNOW, ALLOWING THEM TO GO FORWARD WITH THAT WITH 6% POLYMER MAKES IT STRONGER.
I MEAN, WE I THINK WE ALL GET THAT.
SO FOR ME, THIS IS WE HAVE AN AWARENESS OF HOW MUCH THE COMPOUNDING EFFECT OF SOME OF THESE CHALLENGES IN THE ECONOMY, THE MARKETPLACE, THE PROGRAM HAVE, HOW MUCH THEY'VE AFFECTED OUR NUMBERS TODAY.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO BRING BACK TO YOU, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, AN UPDATE THAT GIVES YOU UPDATED ON EVERYTHING, UPDATED ESTIMATES EVERY SINGLE TIME WE HAVE A RESULT OF A BID PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHERE, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK TODAY IS THE DAY WE HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISION TO REMOVE SOMETHING.
I JUST WANT US TO ALL HAVE HAD THE CONVERSATION AND THEN AS WE GO, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MUCH MORE FREQUENT TEMPERATURE CHECKS, I GUESS, MATH CHECKS OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, AND THEN WE'LL KNOW WHEN WE'RE GETTING TO THAT POINT WHERE, OKAY, YOU KNOW, THE ECONOMY HASN'T IMPROVED.
MAYBE IT'S GOTTEN WORSE. I MEAN, NOT TO BE NEGATIVE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE.
IT'S GOTTEN BETTER, WHICH WOULD BE GREAT FOR US, BUT WE DON'T KNOW.
AND IF IT KEEPS GOING BAD AND NUMBERS OF THINGS THAT AFFECT OUR PRICING GETS WORSE, THEN I'M GOING TO HAVE TO COME UP WITH I'M SURE IT'S A MULTI YEAR WAY BEYOND EIGHT YEAR STRATEGY TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO PAVE THE REST OF IT.
AT LEAST I'VE GOT TO HAVE SOME SORT OF PLAN TO TO TRY TO GET THERE.
THAT'S THAT'S HOW I'M LOOKING AT IT.
SO I FEEL LIKE YOU'VE GIVEN US ENOUGH DIRECTION AND WE HAVE A SENSE OF WHERE YOU ALL ARE AT.
AND WE WILL WE'RE GOING TO TALK AND I'M OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS FROM YOU ALL.
BUT I THINK TO HAVE WE HAVE THE MONTHLY REPORTS.
IF IF YOU'RE NOT AWARE OF THAT, YOU PROBABLY ARE.
I'M SORRY, BUT WE MAY NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT SHOULD WE COME BACK WITH A FULL ON PRESENTATION AND STATUS CHECK AT CERTAIN POINTS? I DON'T WANT TO SAY OFFICIALLY IT SHOULD BE THREE MONTHS VERSUS SIX MONTHS BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT ALSO WILL CHANGE BASED ON ECONOMIC CONDITIONS, BUT ALSO HOW OFTEN WE'RE PUTTING OUT BIDS AND GETTING RESULTS BACK FROM THOSE.
IT'S NOT LIKE THAT'S HAPPENING EVERY MONTH AND I HAVE SOMETHING NEW TO SHARE, RIGHT? SO I WILL GIVE THAT SOME THOUGHT AND DISCUSSION WITH THE TEAM AND THEN COME BACK WITH SOME RECOMMENDATION FOR COUNCIL, BECAUSE I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE BE EXTRA TRANSPARENT GIVEN WE'RE AT ALMOST THE HALFWAY MARK.
I WANT EVERYBODY WHO'S WATCHING NOT JUST YOUR MEETINGS, BUT COUNCIL MEETINGS TO KNOW THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT AND THIS IS THE PROGRESS AND THESE ARE OUR STRATEGIES TO GET THERE BECAUSE SOME OF THESE STRATEGIES WILL TAKE US SOME TIME TO IMPLEMENT, ESPECIALLY IF I'M LOOKING AT SOME WAY TO BUILD IT INTO GENERAL FUND LONG TERM.
BUT I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF GOOD DIRECTION FROM YOU ALL.
OKAY. SO WE'VE GOT WHAT I'M HEARING IS WITHIN 90 DAYS WE'LL ALL MUSTER AGAIN.
I WASN'T TALKING ABOUT A JOINT WORKSHOP.
I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT AN ACTUAL PRESENTATION BEFORE COUNCIL.
OKAY. MAYBE, MAYBE THREE MONTHS TO TO OUR STAKEHOLDERS HERE.
WE SHOULD. I NEED TO HONOR THEM.
AND SO I'D LIKE FOR THEM TO BE PART OF EVERY STEP OF THE WAY THEY WILL ACTUALLY THE PRESENTATION.
AND FRANK'S HANDLED THAT WELL.
I THINK. SO I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE IT COMPLICATED.
I'M NOT ASKING FOR JOINT WORKSHOPS EVERY THREE MONTHS.
I'M SIMPLY JUST SAYING WE NEED TO BE DOING MORE THAN JUST HAVE A MONTHLY REPORT ON CONSENT AGENDA.
AND MAYBE THAT'S EVERY SIX MONTHS.
BUT WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT A LOT MORE FREQUENTLY, I THINK IS THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE.
ALL RIGHT. YEAH. SO, MR. JONES, AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, AS I'M LISTENING, I'M THINKING SO THERE'S THREE THINGS WE'RE SOLVING FOR MONEY WHICH.
FRANK, THE FUTURE CONSIDERATIONS THAT YOU PUT TOGETHER IS GOOD.
IT GIVES US A GOOD IDEA OF WHAT'S POSSIBLE AND.
MISS SHERMAN, THE DEBT FUNDING OPTIONS.
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NOT TONIGHT, BUT LIKE WE'D BE ABLE TO HAVE MORE OF A REALISTIC APPROACH OF LIKE, WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE AS HOW MUCH FUNDING COULD THAT REALLY CUT INTO VERSUS WHAT WE HAVE COMING UP? YES. SO THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET THAT INFORMATION AS WE GO THROUGH.AND MAYOR, I DO LIKE YOUR SUGGESTION ABOUT A REFERENDUM.
I THINK IT. IT MAKES SENSE AS I'M LISTENING, YOU KNOW, ALSO UNDERSTANDING THAT AT TIMES WHEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE DOING ROADS, WE ALSO HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WE MAY HAVE TO DO PIPES AS WELL. AND EVEN THOUGH THAT MAY NOT COME OUT OF THE ROAD BOND PROGRAM, THAT MAY ADD ON TO THE TIME THAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE FOR THINGS TO HAPPEN.
RIGHTFULLY AND UNDERSTANDABLY BEHIND.
BUT JUST AS IT RELATES TO, I WOULD RATHER US SAY WE'D RATHER DO IT RIGHT THAN QUICK.
AND SO THE HAPPINESS OF THE CITIZENS HAS TO BE TAKEN INTO EFFECT.
SO I THINK AS LONG AS WE'RE UNDERSTANDING WE'RE APPROACHING IT FROM THOSE THREE PERSPECTIVES, WHICH ALSO COULD ADD TIME, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND WE'RE GOING TO DO THE TESTING AND GAINESVILLE'S GOING TO DO IT.
THEY'RE GOING TO COME OUT AND DO THE TEST.
BUT. HOW LONG ARE WE GOING TO, I GUESS, WAIT TO SEE HOW GOOD IS THIS GOING TO LAST US BEFORE WE MAKE THAT DECISION AND PULL THE TRIGGER AND SAY WE'RE GOING TO USE IT? I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY USE IT IN TEXAS AND OTHER PLACES.
FLORIDA IS REAL INTERESTING WITH OUR WEATHER.
SO NOT A LOT OF PLACES HAVE THE TYPE OF CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE WHEN IT RELATES TO WEATHER.
THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE HAVE A COMMENT? ANYONE ELSE? SEEING NONE MRS. SORRY, I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THE 11 MILLION THAT YOU HAVE ESTIMATED HERE FOR UNIT 49.
THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY PIPES AT ALL OR ANY TYPE OF.
I'M SORRY. I'M TALKING TO YOU, NOT ME.
YEAH, THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS ARE SHOWN ON THE PRESENTATIONS ARE ALL BASED FOR THE ROAD BOND FIGURES.
WE'VE ADDED NO STORMWATER TO THESE NUMBERS.
SO THEY'RE SET ASIDE SEPARATELY AS COUNCIL DIRECTED US FROM THE BEGINNING.
HOWEVER, THEY STAY IN ADVANCE OF THE ROAD PROGRAM.
THE CULPRIT PIPES I JUST WANTED TO PUT ON THE RECORD.
THANK YOU. SO YOU HAVE ENOUGH, MA'AM.
THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU DO ON BEHALF OF THE CITIZENS OF PALM BAY.
MAY GOD BLESS YOU AND KEEP YOU AND LET HIS FACE SHINE UPON YOU.
I WAS ABOUT TO PREACH TO.
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