ALL RIGHT. SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL TO ORDER MEETING.
[CALL TO ORDER:]
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2023-02 OF THE CITIZENS BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD.IF WE COULD PLEASE HAVE A ROLL CALL.
MASON WHITE. HE WILL BE ABSENT.
GIVE ME BECCA'S PRESENT PRESIDENT.
JEFFREY MACLEOD. WE HAVE A QUORUM.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
MR WOJCIECHOWSKI IS HERE WITH US THIS EVENING.
WE HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION AND WE DO HAVE A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC.
[PUBLIC COMMENTS: (Non-agenda items only)]
SO, MA'AM, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP, YOU FEEL FREE TO.BECAUSE THE BOARD LET US KNOW WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND.
THE FIRST ONE HAS TO DO WITH THE EXPENSE ACCOUNTS FOR THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE CONTROLLED OR MANAGED, BUT AFTER THEY VOTED THIS INCREASE FOR THEMSELVES AND COUNCILMAN FOSTER CLAIMED THAT IT WAS TAX FREE MONEY, I CHECKED WITH THE IRS.
THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO CIRCUMSTANCE UNDER WHICH THAT IS TAX FREE MONEY.
ANY MONEY THAT'S SPENT AS AN EXPENSE HAS TO HAS TO HAVE JUSTIFICATION IN IN THE FORM OF RECEIPT AND EXPLANATION.
FIRST, THEY CALLED IT A CONTINGENCY FUND.
SO HE SAYS, WELL, IT'S A STIPEND.
I SAID, NO. PEOPLE ON SALARIES DON'T GET STIPENDS.
THE ONLY EXCEPTION FOR PUBLIC OFFICIALS WOULD BE FOR EDUCATION PURPOSES.
AND IT WOULD MAKE SENSE THAT IF THEY HAD LEGITIMATE EXPENSES, THEY WOULD BE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT MR. FOSTER LIKES TO INCLUDE, ACCORDING TO WHAT HE SAID AT THE MEETING, HE LIKES TO INCLUDE THINGS LIKE HIS ATTENDANCE AT THAT BUSINESS GROUP.
SORRY. NO, NOT LEAGUE OF CITIES.
IT'S THE LOCAL BUSINESS GROUP.
BUT MR. FOSTER IS A BUSINESS OWNER.
AND HIS POSITION IN THAT CAPACITY.
ENHANCES HIS POSITION IN BUSINESS.
HE'S NOT, ACCORDING TO THE CHARTER, PERMITTED TO DISCUSS ANY CHARTER, ANY CITY BUSINESS WITHOUT PRIOR AUTHORIZATION FROM THE ENTIRE COUNCIL.
SO FOR HIM TO WRITE THAT OFF, AND I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S WRITING OFF MEMBERSHIP OR CLAIMING THAT THESE ARE HIS COUNCIL EXPENSES, I FIND THAT OFFENSIVE BECAUSE. IT JUST IT JUST SEEMS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF EXPENSES THAT ARE OUT OF CONTROL.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE EASY TO CONTROL.
AND THE MANAGERS SHOULD BE ASKING FOR A CEASE.
AND IF THEY DON'T PRESENT THEM, THEY SHOULD RETURN THE MONEY.
THE OTHER PROBLEM WITH IT IS IF THEY HAD AN AUDIT BY THE IRS, A WHOLE BUNCH OF THEM WOULD WIND UP IN TROUBLE AND WE'D LOSE THE WHOLE COUNCIL. SO I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
OKAY. THAT WAS MY FIRST ISSUE.
THE SECOND IS IN NOVEMBER OF 2017, I LIVE IN THE PORT MALABAR COUNTRY CLUB SECTION.
SO IN NOVEMBER, I, I CALLED AND I SPOKE TO THEM.
I EXPLAINED WHAT THE PROBLEM WAS.
THERE'S NO LIGHTS ANYWHERE NEAR IT.
AND THAT SINKHOLE IS GETTING DEEPER EVERY YEAR.
THE FIRST TIME I REPORTED THE, THEY CAME OUT THE SAME DAY AND THE NEXT DAY THEY CALLED ME.
EVERY YEAR I CALL IT SAME STORY.
THIS THIS TIME I CAME TO THE COUNCIL MEETING AND COMPLAINED ABOUT IT.
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UM, MISS SHERMAN CLAIMED THAT I NEVER.SHE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE SINKHOLE.
THAT WAS WHAT I TALKED ABOUT EVERY TIME.
HE CAME WITHIN A WEEK AND, YOU KNOW, I TALKED TO HIM ABOUT IT, I EXPLAINED, AND HE ASSURED ME THAT THE PROJECT WAS DUE TO START IN JANUARY.
JANUARY WENT BY. NOTHING HAPPENED.
SO I CALLED ON FEBRUARY 1ST, LEFT MESSAGES VERY LONG ONES.
SO I APPROACHED HIM AT A MEETING IN APRIL AND I WAS LIKE, YOU TOLD ME IT WAS HAPPENING IN JANUARY.
I WAS LIKE, OH YEAH, WE DIDN'T HAVE IT IN THE BUDGET.
I SAID, SO WHEN YOU TOLD ME IN DECEMBER.
BUT IT WAS STARTING IN JANUARY.
YOU DIDN'T KNOW. YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY.
UH, DO I LOOK STUPID? JUST BECAUSE.
HOW DO YOU NOT KNOW IF YOU HAVE A PROJECT PENDING THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THE MONEY? OR IF YOU DID, WHAT DID YOU DO WITH IT? YOU KNOW, IT'S A VERY LOW PRIORITY.
AND I RAN FOR CITY COUNCIL MOSTLY BECAUSE I FEEL THAT AREA IS COMPLETELY NEGLECTED.
THE THE STORM DRAINS WERE CRACKED FOR, WELL, SINCE 2017, THEY FINALLY FIXED THAT.
THE GUY WHO OPENED UP THE STREET, THERE WERE TWO ENGINEERS THERE AND HE SAID, SHE'S RIGHT.
SINKHOLES ARE CAUSED BY WELLS AND TREES.
AND WHEN YOU HAVE A DRY SPELL, THE TREE SOAKS UP ALL THE WATER AND IT DRIES EVERYTHING OUT.
AND IF WE DIDN'T HAVE A CRACK, THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY WATER FOR THE TREE TO ABSORB.
BUT THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET FOR THE STORM DRAIN.
TO JUMP IN HERE, MA'AM, WE DO HAVE A THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT.
YOU'RE A LITTLE OVER THAT AND THAT'S OKAY.
BUT JUST TO HELP YOU COME HOME WITH THIS POINT HERE, YOUR SECOND POINT IS THE CURIOSITY POINT OF WHERE THE MONEY IS TO FIX THAT PARTICULAR AREA, COUNTRY CLUB AREAS, ROADS, AND THEREFORE THE HOLE THAT'S IN YOUR HOUSE.
IS THAT KIND OF WHAT YOU GOT IN MY HOUSE? IT'S IN THE STREET, YEAH, IN YOUR AREA.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS, IT'S A NARROW STREET AT NIGHT.
WHAT STREET IS THAT ON? IT'S FRAIL ROAD.
IT'S BETWEEN THE CIRCLE K AND PIZZA HUT.
JUST BEHIND, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHERE MIMAS IS.
YEAH. SO TO BRING IT HOME, MR. WOJCIECHOWSKI IS GOING TO GET SOME INFO FROM YOU, AND WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT ANSWERED FOR YOU.
SO WE CAN ANSWER SPECIFIC TO ROAD OFFLINE, OF COURSE.
AND THEN YOU HAVE CURIOSITY POINTS TO COME BACK TO YOUR FIRST POINT ABOUT THE COUNCIL'S EXPENSE ALLOWANCE, TO USE A SUMMARIZING TERM.
MR. WOJCIECHOWSKI, CAN YOU OFFER ANY INSIGHT OR GUIDANCE AS TO HOW THAT MONEY IS EXECUTED? CANNOT. BUT I WILL BRING BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING AND EXPLAIN EXACTLY HOW IT'S HANDLED.
OKAY. I JUST ONE LITTLE THING ON THIS.
STORM DRAINS THE DITCHES IN THAT AREA.
AFTER I COMPLAINED, THEY CAME, THEY CLEARED ONE COMPLETELY AND THE OTHER ONE HALF WAY.
IT'S ALL FILLED 3 TO 4FT OF OF PLANT LIFE.
THAT CAUSES A LOT OF PROBLEMS. AND I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT ANY WATER IS MAKING IT TO, YOU KNOW, THE THE WATER PLANT.
1230. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ME.
BUT CAN YOU PUT IT FOR THE RECORD? YOUR ADDRESS? JUST FOR OUR RECORD. OKAY.
FREEL ROAD, NORTHEAST PALM BAY.
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WOJCIECHOWSKI, WOJCIECHOWSKI'S GOING TO GET COORDINATED WITH OUR NEIGHBOR THERE, AND THAT IS GOOD.WE'LL GET SOME INFORMATION, HOPEFULLY, AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND MORE THE COUNCIL EXPENSE WHEN MR. WOJCIECHOWSKI BRINGS THAT INFORMATION NEXT TIME.
NOW WE'RE TO LOOK AT NUMBER ONE OF UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
[1. Discussion of Board by-laws/procedures]
IT IS A DISCUSSION OF THE BOARD BYLAWS AS WELL AS PROCEDURES.HAVE HAVE HAS EVERYONE RECEIVED A COPY OF THE BYLAWS AND BEEN ABLE TO REVIEW THAT AND UNDERSTAND THAT? BECAUSE I KNOW LAST TIME WE STARTED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT AND NOT EVERYONE HAD HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A COPY AND EVERYTHING.
SO EVERYONE HAS RECEIVED A COPY SINCE.
THAT'S GOOD. ALTHOUGH TO YOU GUYS FIRST DID ANYONE UPON REVIEW OF THE DOCUMENT HAVE ANY SORT OF FEEDBACK OR ANYTHING THAT THAT THEY'D LIKE TO POTENTIALLY PROPOSE AS AN ALTERATION AS WE TRY TO MOVE FORWARD INTO NOT ONLY THIS YEAR'S PLANNING, BUT JUST MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS BOARD? I HAD MS.. CONNELLY.
JUST LEAVE IT PUSHED IN. THERE YOU GO.
ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT FEEDBACK.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY INITIAL FEEDBACK OF THE BYLAWS? ANY THOUGHTS? ANY DESIRED CHANGES? HIGHLIGHTS? ANYTHING LIKE THAT? SO I'M GOING TO BUILD ON MISS CONNELLY'S POINT FOR A MOMENT AND JUST SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU FOR NOTING WHAT LIES THERE IN ARTICLE ONE AND SECTION ONE AND HOW WE CAN MAYBE KIND OF COME BACK TO IT AS A GUIDING PRINCIPLE.
IN THE SAME VEIN, I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT ARTICLE THREE, UM, SECTION THREE, WHICH HIGHLIGHTS A MANDATORY TRAINING AND.
I'M GOING TO ASK MR. WOJCIECHOWSKI IF HE KNOWS IF IN THE, YOU KNOW, TIME OF THE BOARD, BUT ESPECIALLY THE RECENT PAST, WHAT KIND OF TRAINING MODULES MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE EXISTED SO FAR AS THE GOVERNMENT AND THE SUNSHINE AND PUBLIC RECORDS LAWS OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA? I KNOW THE CITY ATTORNEY TAKES CARE OF THAT.
BUT AS FAR AS TRAININGS REGARDING THE BUDGET PROCESS AND BASIC GOVERNMENTAL ACCOUNTING PRACTICES, HAS THE DEPARTMENT EVER REALLY TAKEN TO THAT SECTION OF THE BYLAWS? I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE BUDGET ADMINISTRATOR, ANGELICA, SHE HAS DONE TRAINING WITH.
UP HERE ON THE BOARD RIGHT NOW.
BUT I KNOW PREVIOUSLY SHE HAD PROVIDED TRAINING.
IF THEY WANTED IT, THEY RECEIVED IT.
WE NEED TO DO IS WE SHOULD ACTUALLY MAKE IT A MANDATORY THING, BUT IT HAS TO BE INDIVIDUALLY.
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RIGHT? IT'S MORE BENEFICIAL TO DO A ONE ON ONE WHERE YOU CAN ASK THE QUESTIONS.THANK YOU FOR THAT, SIR. MR. MCLEOD HAS A COMMENT.
GO AHEAD. GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY INPUT THAT I'VE HAD.
YOU KNOW, I'M NOT AWARE IF PREVIOUSLY TO THIS BOARD SHE HAS DONE SO.
I'M FAMILIAR WITH WHAT YOU DO.
MAKE IT MORE TO A LOWER LEVEL.
BUDGET PROCESS AND NOT JUST THE PROCESS ITSELF.
EACH AND EVERY DEPARTMENT HAS ITS OWN.
THAT'S WHEN THE CONVERSATION CAN TAKE PLACE AND WE CAN ACTUALLY HAVE IT ONE ON ONE VERSUS.
VERY DIFFICULT TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS HERE.
SOME PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO ASK THE QUESTIONS.
EVER. ONE ON ONE AND YOU CAN TAKE IT.
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE MOVE A MOTION TO REACH OUT TO THE BUDGET ADMINISTRATOR.
PROVIDE US WITH THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED TO CARRY OUT OUR RESPONSIBILITIES.
ARTICLE. WE CAN SET UP A SEPARATE MEETING.
SCHEDULE ANOTHER MEETING WHERE WE COULD DO THAT OUTSIDE OF A WEDNESDAY.
SCHEDULE IT. NEEDED THERE, OUR DEPARTMENT TO ASSIST.
WHERE I'M AT WITH IT IS RECOGNIZING THAT IT'S IN THE BYLAWS AND STATING AS MANDATORY.
UM, I THINK WE SHOULD JUST HIGHLIGHT THAT AND WE SHOULD ALL MAKE THE COMMITMENT TO DO IT BECAUSE I WOULD HAVE TO ASK AND FIND OUT AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WE COULD DO TO ENFORCE THESE THINGS. AND QUITE HONESTLY, IT'S PROBABLY HARD, BUT WE SHOULD ALL RECOGNIZE RIGHT HERE IN THE PUBLIC THAT AS BEING UP HERE, THAT IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO IN FACT, REACH OUT AND GET THIS TRAINING AND GET CAUGHT UP.
AND AGAIN, THE AS FAR AS THE LATTER PORTION OF THAT, THE GOVERNMENT AND THE SUNSHINE AND THE PUBLIC RECORDS LAW, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HOSTS THOSE QUARTERLY AND THE CLERK'S OFFICE REACHES OUT TO ANY NEW BOARD MEMBER, GETS PEOPLE ON THE CADENCE.
SO WHEN I READ THAT, I REALIZED THAT I WASN'T QUITE WITHIN COMPLIANCE OF THAT.
AND I OBVIOUSLY WHAT I'VE DONE, THE LATTER PORTION, THE WORKSHOPS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY, BUT I HAVE NOT COME TO THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND HAD A ONE ON ONE JUST JUST LEARNED MATERIAL HERE AND ON MY OWN.
SO I'LL DEFINITELY BE DOING THAT.
UM. SOMETHING THAT I NOTED THAT WAS WITHIN THE BYLAWS WAS ACTUALLY THE FACT THAT THE MEETINGS ARE JUST TO BE DETERMINED BY US.
THERE'S NOTHING IN THE BYLAWS THAT SAYS WHEN THE MEETINGS NEED TO HAPPEN.
SO WE WE TALKED ABOUT MEETING TODAY SPECIFICALLY AT SIX, BUT THEN I HAD MENTIONED CASUALLY THAT I'D BRING UP THIS TIME, YOU KNOW, PUTTING IN THE BYLAWS THAT WE WOULD ALWAYS MEET AT SIX, BUT ACTUALLY UPON FURTHER REVIEW DOESN'T SEEM NECESSARY.
SO I THINK JUST PROCEDURALLY, IF AS A BODY, WE'RE ALL PREPARED TO JUST CONTINUE ON THE CURRENT CADENCE OF THE SECOND WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH, BUT TO INCORPORATE THAT, WE WANT TO DO IT AT 6 P.M.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF COMING TO A CONSENSUS AND AN AGREEMENT THAT THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
WOULD YOU INTERPRET IT THE SAME? WOULD YOU ASK? OKAY, THANK YOU.
THE ONLY TIME WHEN YOU RUN INTO A PROBLEM IS WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO MOVE IT TO DIFFERENT DAYS AND THEN YOU RUN INTO PROBLEMS. OR AS YOU KNOW, KEEPING OUR STAFF HERE THAT EXTRA HALF HOUR AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF WAITING FOR US.
DOES ANYONE SEE ANY TROUBLE WITH JUST MOVING FORWARD WITH MEETING AT 6:00 AS AS TRADITION ON THE SECOND WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH? OKAY. I'VE.
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OF COURSE WE HAVE A QUORUM.THAT'S WHY WE'RE HAVING A MEETING. SO WE HAVE A QUORUM.
IT'S PROCEDURAL AS PER JUST TO MAKE SURE WE DO IT THE RIGHT WAY.
ARTICLE FIVE, SECTION TWO IS MEETINGS.
HOWEVER, THE BOARD SHALL MEET AT LEAST ONCE, AND IT SHALL ALWAYS BE HERE.
ELABORATE FOR ME, SIR, PLEASE.
HAVE AT LEAST ONE REGULAR MEETING.
I WAS GOING TO SAY, IF IT ONLY SAID REGULAR, IT SAYS ALL MEETINGS WILL BE HELD.
THE REASON I STARTED TO TALK THERE, THOUGH, WAS BECAUSE SECTION THREE DOES TALK ABOUT SPECIAL AND WORKSHOP MEETINGS, WHICH SOMETHING LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WOULD POTENTIALLY FALL UNDER THAT.
AND THAT DOESN'T CALL OUT WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE.
THAT WOULD. IT HAS TO BE RECORDED.
SO THIS THAT'S WHY THEY ALWAYS MENTION IT.
IT'S JUST, FOR INSTANCE, THE RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD MEETS AT THE TONY ROSA COMMUNITY CENTER.
SO, YES, I GUESS IT WOULD PRECLUDE US FROM DOING ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THE CHAMBERS.
NOW, WE DID ATTEMPT IN THE MONTH OF DECEMBER TO HOST A PUBLIC WORKSHOP BY USING THE CHAMBERS AND JUST USING OUR OUR REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING AND CALLING IT A WORKSHOP AND AN EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITY.
AND MISS ANGELICA COLLINS DID DO A GREAT PRESENTATION.
AND THAT STILL IS ARCHIVED IF ANYBODY DID WANT TO WATCH IT.
IT WAS THE DECEMBER MEETING OF THIS BOARD.
AND IT IS A BIG FORUM AND CENTRALLY LOCATED AND THINGS OF THE SORT.
SO WHERE I REALLY ORIGINALLY THOUGHT THAT PERHAPS SOME BYLAW MODIFICATIONS WOULD BE NEEDED TO KIND OF MOVE FORWARD INTO WHAT WOULD BE OUR NEXT ORDER OF DISCUSSION HERE IN JUST A MOMENT OF GETTING SOME DIRECTION ON THE EXECUTION OF THIS BOARD FROM THE COUNCIL.
SO BEFORE I MOVE US AND TRANSITION US INTO THAT CONVERSATION, DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY MORE COMMENTS ABOUT THE BYLAWS OR ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT MODIFICATIONS OR JUST OVERALL FEEDBACK? AS COMMONLY DOES. PLEASE.
AND TALK TO HER JUST IN GENERAL ABOUT BOARDS.
I WENT ON THE WEBSITE. THERE'S ABOUT EIGHT BOARDS.
OR GROUPS THAT MEET THAT HAVE THE WORD WARD IN THEM.
AND THERE WAS A COUNCILMAN FOSTER RECENTLY AT A CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
LOOKING AT SOME HAVE BEEN DISSOLVED BY THE.
MAKE SURE, MIKE, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY.
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THANK YOU FOR THAT FEEDBACK.SO WITH AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME NO CHANGES AT HAND.
I'LL TRANSITION US INTO OUR SECOND ORDER OF.
WE GOT PLENTY OVER HERE IF YOU WANT TO SWITCH.
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A TRANSITION US INTO OUR SECOND ORDER OF BUSINESS ON THE AGENDA UNDER UNFINISHED BUSINESS, WHICH IS NUMBER TWO, AND THAT IS THE DISCUSSION ON COUNCIL DIRECTION FOR THIS BOARD. AND THAT IS KIND OF A RESULT OR CARRYOVER OF LAST MEETING WE WE TALKED ABOUT AND I THINK WE EVEN DID PASS A MOTION TO HAVE ME AS THE CHAIR PUBLISH A COMMUNICATION TO THE COUNCIL SEEKING GUIDANCE AND DIRECTION.AS WE SEE, IT'S REALLY OPEN TO INTERPRETATION.
SO NOW THE QUESTION IS WHAT KIND OF INTERPRETATION ARE WE TRYING TO SOLICIT FROM THIS BODY? UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE TO DO THIS SHORT TERM, YOU KNOW, BEFORE I WOULD SAY OUR MAY MEETING BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN THE BUDGET PROCESS IS REALLY KICKING OFF IS STARTING IN MAY AND SUBSEQUENTLY, YOU KNOW, THE BODY SHOULD BE WHOLE BY NOW.
YOU KNOW, THEY HAD A FOURTH MEMBER ATTEND LAST WEEK, SO I GUESS THAT'S FOUR.
AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO APPOINT A FIFTH TOMORROW.
BUT I'LL TURN TO THE BOARD FOR JUST INITIAL SUGGESTIONS OF OF WHAT IS THE ASK HERE IS THE ASK TO CHANGE OUR CAPACITY IS THE ASK TO HAVE THEM, YOU KNOW, GIVE AN INTERPRETATION WHAT'S KIND OF THE ACTIONABLE ITEM THAT WE'RE REQUESTING HERE.
SO ANY, ANY THOUGHTS? CROWD YES.
CONNOLLY, AND I THOUGHT THAT LAST WEEK, LAST MONTH, THE REASON WE WANTED TO APPROACH THE BOARD, I MEAN, THE COUNCIL WAS THAT WE ARE AN ADVISORY BOARD TO THEM AND OUR BYLAWS DOESN'T STATE WITH SUFFICIENT SPECIFICITY JUST HOW WE ARE SUPPOSED TO ADVISE THEM.
NOW. IF THEIR QUESTION IS THEY DON'T GET ENOUGH INFORMATION, THEN OUR CHARGE WOULD BE TO GET THEM INFORMATION FROM STAFF THAT WOULD HELP THEM IN THE BUDGET.
SO I THINK THAT'S THE PRIMARY CONCERN THAT WE SHOULD HAVE.
WHAT IT IS YOU WANT FROM US WITHIN THE GUIDELINES OF OUR BYLAWS.
NOW, IF THEY CAN STATE THAT, I WOULD THEN AGREE WITH YOU THAT WE SHOULD INTERPRET.
BYLAWS CONSISTENT WITH OUR PURPOSE.
THAT'S MY VIEW. THANK YOU, SIR.
MR. BACCUS, I AGREE WITH WHAT SHE SAID TO.
AND. AND. HOW TO TRAIN AND THEN PULL BACK THE COLD.
PURPOSE HE STARTED. MEDIATOR BETWEEN US AND THE PUBLIC.
COUNCIL, NOT JUST NOT JUST HEAR US, BUT LISTEN AND TAKE THIS INTO ADVICE.
BUT SHE READ AND HAVING A PLAN.
OKAY. CERTAIN POINT IN TIME WE'RE GOING TO DISSOLVE THE BOARD, DISSOLVE THE COMMITTEE.
YOU CAN'T JUST NOT GOING TO BE EFFECTIVE FOR THE CITY.
I'M LOOKING FOR US TO RESIDENTIAL.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE EFFECTIVE FOR THEM.
AND THAT IN BETWEEN THAT MEDIATOR.
SIR. MISS CONNOLLY, ANY THOUGHTS? I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP GOING BACK TO THE WORD OVERSIGHT.
AND IN THE LETTER TO COUNSEL, I THINK IT IS GOOD TO ASK THEM, BUT IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD EVEN BROADEN THAT TO.
BATH. SEEMS THE COMMENTS THAT I ALWAYS HEAR FROM CITIZENS IS JUST A GENERALIZED BELIEF WITHOUT REALLY HAVING DATA THAT WE ARE A GOVERNMENTAL BODY AND MOST GOVERNMENTAL BODIES OPERATE INEFFECTIVELY.
NOBODY REALLY PAYS ATTENTION TO THE FLOW OF THE MONEY OR HOW WAYS THAT IT COULD BE SAVED.
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LIKE TO SEE, EVEN IF IT'S NOT IN THIS PARTICULAR COMMUNICATION, THAT WE BROADEN OURSELVES TOWARDS MORE OF AN OVERSIGHT OR MORE OF A, UM, A WAY THAT WE CAN.ENGAGE CITIZENS AND ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS JUST LIKE MISS ZEPP.
TODAY, I'M SO GRATEFUL YOU CAME TO ASK THESE TYPES OF VERY.
SOMEONE TO DO SOME RESEARCH AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
THERE IS A FACTUAL ANSWER TO THESE QUESTIONS.
ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT, MISS CONNELLY.
[2. Discussion on Council Direction]
GUIDANCE, WE HAVE FOUND SOME.WE FEEL AS THOUGH SOME LEVEL OF OVERSIGHT AT IN CONJUNCTION WITH ADVISORY WOULD BE IDEAL. AND WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR WHERE TO FILL IN THE GAPS AS FAR AS WHAT THEY FEEL THIS IS.
SPEAKING ABOUT THE COUNCIL, THEY'RE LACKING AS FAR AS JUST, YOU KNOW, KNOWLEDGE PERTAINING TO THIS SUBJECT MATTER, WHICH IS THE BUDGET AND WHICH IS THE CITIZENS OUTLOOK ON THE BUDGET.
THAT'S ALL OF THE CITIZENS BOMBAY, NOT JUST THE CITIZENS.
SO I THINK WE CAN GET SOMETHING CRAFTED HERE AND GET IT DISTRIBUTED.
I DON'T KNOW HOW HOW TO HOLD THEM ANY FORM OF ACCOUNTABLE TO RESPONDING TO SUCH CORRESPONDENCE.
I DON'T. BUT WE CAN WE CAN WE CAN PUT IT FORTH AND THEN ADDRESS IT THEREAFTER.
NOTRILLIONEALISTIC TO THINK WE COULD GET SOMETHING THROUGH THE PIPELINE AND INTO THE CLERK'S OFFICE AND AND HAVE IT SOME SORT OF LIKE BUSINESS ITEM WHERE THEY WOULD LOOK AT IT. BUT I THINK THAT WE CAN GET IT DISTRIBUTED WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO, JUST KIND OF THROUGH THE NATURAL MEANS WITH A COPY TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE AND WHAT HAVE YOU FOR ALL KINDS OF RECORDS AND WHATNOT.
AND THEN JUST KIND OF HAVE IT TAKEN FROM THERE, I THINK IS IS THE PATH FORWARD.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY DIFFERENT INSIGHTS ON THAT? THE OTHER. OK.
AND. ANNOUNCE TO PEOPLE IN ATTENDANCE.
THIS IS WHEN WE MEET AND WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY.
YOU KNOW, I THINK WE SHOULD JUST SEND IT TO THEM, LET THEM RESPOND TO US DIRECTLY.
AND IF THAT'S NOT THE CASE, WE WILL RAISE THAT ISSUE IN A PROPERLY NOTICED COUNCIL MEETING.
BUT IN TERMS OF THE INQUIRY, I THINK IT SHOULD GO DIRECTLY TO THE CLERK, TO THE BOARD, FROM OUR FROM OUR CHAIR, AS IF WE'RE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I FIND INTERESTING.
IS A LOT OF TIMES WHEN SERIOUS ISSUES ARISE.
BUT INTENT IS NEVER REALLY TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE.
THE INTENT IS TO PACIFY THE COMPLAINANT.
SO IF IT IS UNCLEAR WHAT OUR ROLE IS, WE CERTAINLY HAVE TO GET CLARIFICATION BECAUSE I DON'T THINK ANY OF US UP HERE. WOULD DEVOTE THE TIME AND READING THE MATERIALS, LISTENING TO EACH OTHER'S IDEAS.
HE NO PURPOSE OR PLACE FOR IT.
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HERE. WE WANT TO HEAR THEIR CONCERNS AND WE WILL RELAY THOSE CONCERNS TO STAFF.LAST MEETING. LAST MONTH'S MEETING? I THOUGHT. WHEN? ADJOURNED.
TALK TO THEIR COUNCIL PERSON THAT APPOINTED THEM.
I KNOW THAT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF.
YOU DON'T HAVE ONE, SO YOU'D HAVE TO TALK TO ALL OF THEM.
THAT'S WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN.
AND THIS IS WHY WE HAVE FOR DISCUSSION.
WHAT WAS THE CONVERSATION WITH COUNCIL? EACH INDIVIDUAL COUNCILMAN OF WHERE? WANTED. SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE STILL BACK TO WHERE WE WERE A MONTH AGO, WHERE THE CONVERSATION DIDN'T TAKE PLACE.
I ME JUST START WITH SOMETHING ABOUT THE BYLAWS.
LET ME GO BACK TO THE BYLAWS. ACTUALLY HAVE.
CITY MANAGER ABOUT THAT ISSUE ABOUT.
ON IT. OF OUR MEETINGS ACTUALLY WITH EACH DEPARTMENT AT THE END OF MAY.
YOU'RE GETTING BRAND NEW. REVENUES ARE FROM THE STATE.
A MOTION, OF COURSE, IS WHEN WE ADDRESSED.
TALK TO. THAT WASN'T ACTUALLY GOING AS.
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. WE WALKED.
I WALKED OUT OF HERE LAST MONTH.
MAY I RESPOND, MR. CHAIR? I THINK YOU ARE PARTIALLY CORRECT.
MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT WE WERE GOING TO SEND.
THE LETTER BEFORE WE DID ANY OF THOSE OTHER THINGS THAT WE MENTIONED.
BECAUSE IF THE CITY COUNCIL COMES BACK AND SAYS YOU CAN ONLY MEET PEOPLE HERE, IT WOULD PRECLUDE US FROM GOING INTO THE COMMUNITY, BUT WE'D HAVE TO FIND WAYS TO BRING THE COMMUNITY IN.
QUESTION IS HOW DO WE APPLY OUR MIND AND IDEAS TO THE ROLE THIS.
IF WE ARE TO REALLY SERVE OUR COMMUNITY.
I THINK WE NEED DIRECTIONS FROM THE BOARD.
FIRST. THEN WE MAKE OUR PLANS.
ARE WE GOING TO PROGRESS AS A.
WELL, THANK YOU, SIR, AND THANK YOU FOR THAT CONTEXT AND BACKGROUND KNOWLEDGE, MR. WOJCIECHOWSKI. AT THIS POINT, WE'LL LET THEM FORM AS A WHOLE BODY.
THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERS BOTH PRESENT AND NOT BECAUSE OF THE RECENT VACANCY AND THINGS OF THIS SORT ARE ARE AT LARGE OR DON'T HAVE CURRENT MEMBERS TO INTERFACE WITH.
THEY'RE GOING TO FORM A FULL BODY TOMORROW, OR AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SCHEDULED TO DO.
WE'LL GET A FORMAL LETTER SUBMITTED TO THEM BY WAY OF THE CLERK'S OFFICE AND EVERYTHING.
EACH INDIVIDUAL PERSON CAN CAN COMMIT TO DO THEIR INDIVIDUAL PART.
I TALK AT EVERY COUNCIL MEETING.
I'VE TALKED MANY TIMES ABOUT THIS BOARD.
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NOW WE MEET AT SIX. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY 630 ANYMORE.IT'S THE SAME TIME AS EVERY OTHER MEETING.
SECOND WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH, 6:00 RIGHT HERE IN THESE COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
[3. Discussion on Citizen engagement]
I REALLY FEEL LIKE WE BLENDED THAT INTO THIS PAST CONVERSATION, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE TO GIVE IT THE TIME SINCE IT'S ON THE AGENDA.DOES ANYONE HAVE OTHER THOUGHTS ABOUT THE EXPANDING OF THE CITIZEN ENGAGEMENT, OR DO WE THINK THAT OUR PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS ARE GOING TO LEAD US INTO THAT? PLEASE. I THINK.
IF WE'RE GOING TO ENGAGE CITIZENS.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIND OUT WHERE THEY VISIT, WHERE THEY GO.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A ONE ON ONE THING SO MUCH.
IT COULD HAVE MORE IMPACT IF WE MET THEM AT THEIR COMMITTEE MEETINGS.
A HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION MEETINGS OR INVITE GROUPS.
WHO WOULD MEET. SO, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST WE HAVE SOME PROCEDURE AND SOME STRATEGIES.
AND I THINK WE'RE QUITE CAPABLE OF DOING THAT ONCE WE GET OUR DIRECTIVES FROM THE COUNCIL.
COMMONLY. THIS IS JUST ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS IS.
YOU TONIGHT AND THANK YOU FOR PUTTING IT ON THE AGENDA AND TO CONTINUE TO.
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SO THE QUESTION I ASKED WAS WHAT? YEAH, I THINK THAT THAT'S THE REQUESTED ACTION HERE WITH, AGAIN, THOSE GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT I WAS JOTTING DOWN OF US, YOU KNOW, GIVING OUR BEST ATTEMPT TO INTERPRET THE BYLAWS ON OUR OWN RECOGNIZANCE.BUT, YOU KNOW, COMING UP, STILL NEEDING THEIR GUIDANCE AND OFFERING THE THE FACT THAT IT'S BEEN RECENTLY QUOTED THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR INFORMATION OUT OF THE BOARD. SO TO SPECIFY WHAT THAT INFORMATION IS AND AGAIN, TO SOLICIT THAT FEEDBACK FROM, AGAIN, WHAT AT THE TIME WILL BE A COMPLETE BOARD BY THEN, A COMPLETE CITY COUNCIL AT THAT TIME. AND THEN AGAIN, WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS THAT ANY OF US INDIVIDUALLY ARE WELCOME TO GO ON OUR ENDEAVORS AND SPEAK IN PUBLIC AND SPEAK IN THE PUBLIC LIGHT OR WHAT HAVE YOU. BUT AS FAR AS ACTION FROM THE BOARD AND ACTION FROM ME AS THE CHAIR OF THE BOARD, I'LL BE HAPPY TO DRAFT A LETTER AND SEND IT AND YOU GUYS WILL ALL BE IN RECEIPT OF IT WHEN IT KIND OF GOES THROUGH BECAUSE IT'LL GO TO THE CLERK AND IT'LL GO TO THE COUNCIL AND IT'LL GO TO MR WOJCIECHOWSKI AND MS..
COLLINS AND PROBABLY MISS SHERMAN.
THERE'S NO OTHER ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
THERE WERE THREE ITEMS THAT WERE ATTACHED.
YOU RECEIVED THE MONTHLY FINANCIAL REPORT THAT WAS ACTUALLY VIEWED BY COUNSEL THIS PAST THURSDAY.
SO I WAS ABLE TO FIRE OUT THE MOST RECENT ONE THAT WE HAVE.
IT WAS ALSO A REQUEST ABOUT THE SENIOR CENTER.
ALL THE INFORMATION ABOUT ALL THE GRANT MONEY THAT WAS ACTUALLY GONE TOWARDS THE SENIOR.
IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, THE MONEY HASN'T BEEN SPENT YET.
IT'S BEEN OBLIGATED. ACTUALLY, WE'RE TRYING TO COMMIT MORE MONEY TO THAT PROJECT IN.
HAVE TO HAVE THE MONEY SPENT THIS YEAR.
SO THEY ARE. AWAY FROM THAT PHILOSOPHY.
I'M GOING TO SPEND THE MONEY. ALSO SENSE BECAUSE THERE WAS A REQUEST ABOUT THE THE REVENUE FOR ALL OF GENERAL FUND. THE VISUAL BREAKDOWN.
A LOT OF THINGS IN THERE THAT ARE PROBABLY NOTHING.
THANK YOU FOR HIGHLIGHTING THAT AND THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING THESE DOCUMENTS.
I MEANT TO SAY THAT AT THE BEGINNING, SO THANK YOU.
AT THE NEXT MEETING YOU PROBABLY WILL HAVE THE QUARTERLY.
WE'LL SEE YOU IN NO OTHER BUSINESS.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CONCLUDE THIS MEETING AT 656 HERE, AND WE'LL SEE YOU ALL NEXT TIME.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.