Apr 24, 2023 Infrastructure Advisory and Oversight Board

CALL TO ORDER

ADOPTION OF MINUTES

PUBLIC COMMENTS

BUSINESS

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ALL RIGHT, HERE WE GO.

[CALL TO ORDER]

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GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. I'M GOING TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.

THIS IS THE 2020 304 MEETING OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE ADVISORY AND OVERSIGHT BOARD.

WE HAVE THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE.

PRESENT. PRESENT.

DOESN'T. AND NEXT WE HAVE ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES OF THE 2020 301 MEETING FROM

[ADOPTION OF MINUTES]

JANUARY 23RD, 2023.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION OR ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE MINUTES OF JANUARY 23RD, 2023.

I CAN'T HEAR HER. SECOND.

A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED AND I VOTE I IN THAT MOTION PASSES.

SO NEXT WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.

[PUBLIC COMMENTS]

OH, MISS. MISS FRAZIER IS PRESENT.

DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK THIS EVENING? MR. BATTEN, IF YOU WANT TO COME UP.

JUST NEED A. NOPE.

OKAY. WELCOME NAME AND ADDRESS.

WE KNOW YOUR ADDRESS. BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST.

I JUST HEARD THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE THAT FOR SOME OF THE WATER LINES BEING PUT IN AND ALONG GAYNOR ROAD, THAT THEY'RE CONSIDERING TEARING UP SOME OF THE NEW PAVED, PAVED ROADS WE JUST PAID FOR.

I THINK THERE MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT APPROACH OF EITHER RUNNING BORE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE WE'VE JUST WE'VE ONLY HAD A PAVED ROAD FOR TWO YEARS.

I HATE TO SEE THEM COMING IN AND TEARING IT UP.

I JUST THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE NICE IF I COULD PASS THAT THROUGH MY INFRASTRUCTURE ADVISORY BOARD.

IF THEY COULD SAY IF THERE'S NO OTHER OPTION, THAT MIGHT BE THE APPROACH.

BUT WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU BREAK THE THE CRUST OF A ROAD THAT NEVER THE SAME AS IT WAS BEFORE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SO. NOT IF IT'S OKAY.

AM I ON? OKAY.

AGAIN, FRANK WATANABE, THE CITY ENGINEER.

WHAT BILL IS MENTIONING IS TYPICALLY IN OUR PRACTICE, WE HAVE UTILITIES GOING IN.

WE HIGHLY RECOMMEND, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE NEW ROADS, PAVED ROADS, THE JACK AND BORE DIRECTIONAL DRILLING.

HOWEVER, SOMETIMES THE UTILITY COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH WHAT BILL WAS MENTIONING MAY BE EVEN MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THAN THE ACTUAL DIRECTIONAL BORE METHOD.

AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING WHERE IT'S BETWEEN THE UTILITIES AND THE DECISIONS HIGHER THAN ME.

BUT FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, WE TYPICALLY TRY TO ENCOURAGE NOT CUTTING THE EXISTING NEW ASPHALT.

THE PROBLEM IS ONCE YOU CUT AN EXISTING ROADWAY, YOU PUT A TRENCH IN, YOU GET A WEAK POINT NOW AND WATER COULD GET IN AND THAT AREA WILL PROBABLY SETTLE IN THE LONG TERM DIFFERENT THAN WHEN YOU HAVE A NICE NEW MAT THAT'S CONTINUOUS AND UNIFORM.

SO THAT'S WHY WE HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT ANY NEW CUTS AFTER A BRAND NEW ROAD PAVING, YOU KNOW, MOST CITIES HAVE LIKE A MORATORIUM.

YOU DON'T TOUCH THE ROAD FOR AT LEAST 5 OR 10 YEARS.

THAT'S WHAT WE HIGHLY ENCOURAGE, BECAUSE YOU JUST INVESTED A GOOD CHUNK OF MONEY TO PAVE THOSE ROADS AND WE DON'T WANT TO BE CUTTING THEM UP.

SO FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, WE UNDERSTAND WHAT HE'S SUGGESTING AND WE SUPPORT IT, BUT WE DON'T MAKE THE DECISION.

ARE THEY RUNNING NEW WATER TO HIS? THERE'S A NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT'S ON GAYNOR ROAD, WHICH IS HELP ME OUT, BILL.

IT'S A BAY RIDGE.

BAY RIDGE NEEDS TO HAVE WATER WHICH COMES DOWN GAYNOR ROAD.

THE LOCATION FOR THE SEWER AND WATER IS DOWN AT THE AT THE FAR SOUTHERN END DEVELOPMENT.

BAY RIDGE. THERE'S A NEW DEVELOPMENT DOWN THERE THAT'S BEEN THERE.

THEY HAVE A LIFT STATION.

BUT TO GET THE SERVICES, THE WATER AND SEWER TO THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT, YOU'VE GOT TO GO UP GAYNOR ROAD.

THAT PROCESS, YOU GOT TO CUT ACROSS THOSE, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE DEBTS IN UNIT 32 AND WE PAVED ALL THOSE ROADS FOUR YEARS AGO.

SO THEY ALL HAVE BRAND NEW ROADS AND HAVE ALL NEW BRAND NEW STREETS.

AND ACTUALLY, THIS LAST YEAR, WE REJUVENATED ALL THOSE STREETS.

SO NOT ONLY HAVE WE PAVED THEM, WE'VE ACTUALLY REJUVENATED THE STREETS AND THEY'RE IN GREAT SHAPE.

SO I HATE TO SEE THEM GET CUT OPEN.

OKAY, MAN. UM, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO GIVE US FOR YOU TO GIVE US AN UPDATE ONCE YOU ONCE THAT DECISION IS MADE BY THE POWERS THAT BE? I'LL BE HAPPY TO PUT THIS ON YOUR NEXT AGENDA IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, AS AN AGENDA ITEM.

YOU WANT THAT? I'LL BE HAPPY YOU BRING IT UP AT THE END, BUT I'LL BE HAPPY TO.

THAT'S THAT'S FINE WITH ME.

COULD MR LITTLE PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION ON THAT? I KNOW. OF COURSE I KNOW HE DOESN'T LIKE TO COME DOWN HERE.

WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE HIM.

I MEAN, I WOULD LOVE ENGINEER.

I'M NOT I MEAN, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE COMPARISON BETWEEN THE JACK AND BORE AND THE OPEN TRENCH.

I MEAN, BECAUSE IN MY OPINION, THE OPEN TRENCH IS ALSO NOT AS SAFE.

SO IF THAT'S JUST A COST SAVING MEASURE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE COMPARISON BETWEEN THE TWO.

I THINK THE BEST THING WOULD BE TO AGENDIZE THIS AND BRING IT TO THE NEXT MEETING.

PERFECT. SOUNDS GOOD TO ME IF WE HAVE NO OBJECTIONS OR MY MY ONLY QUESTION.

GO AHEAD. MY ONLY QUESTION, FRANK, IS, IS THIS WORK GOING TO START TAKING PLACE BEFORE OUR NEXT MEETING? BECAUSE IF I STILL HAVE TIME.

OKAY, THAT WAS THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY THING IS WE CAN PUT IT ON THERE.

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BUT IF IT DOESN'T MATTER, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

BUT IF IT'S GOING TO, THEN YEAH, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT ON THE AGENDA.

I THINK IT'S STILL GOOD TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION ANYWAY BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE OF THESE.

THIS IS A GOOD A GOOD POINT WHERE BILL IS BRINGING UP THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT THE FIRST CASE.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE OF THESE.

WE JUST NOW FINISHED PAVING ALL THE STREETS IN UNIT 30 AND IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ALL THESE AREAS ARE GOING TO HAVE BRAND NEW STREETS.

AND WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION IN A PRIORITY HOW WE WANT TO ADDRESS THESE NEW DEVELOPMENTS WITH ANY NEW UTILITIES COMING IN.

AS PART OF THAT DISCUSSION, THE NEXT MEETING ON THE AGENDA, I'D ALSO LIKE TO PUT ON WHAT MR. WATANABE RECOMMENDED IS RECOMMENDING A FIVE YEAR MORATORIUM ON CUTTING INTO ANY NEW ROADS OR STREETS AND MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL TO PUT IT INTO AN ORDINANCE.

WE COULD WE COULD INCLUDE THAT.

I WOULD I WOULD WAIT FOR THESE TO THE VERY END WHERE YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT YOUR NEXT AGENDA.

THIS IS A PUBLIC SPEAKING.

SO I THINK WE'RE ADDRESSING HIS. OKAY.

BUT I THINK WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IS WAIT TILL THAT POINT AT THE END OF THE MEETING WHERE YOU WANT TO RAISE YOUR ITEMS FOR THE NEXT AGENDA.

PERFECT. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? OKAY. DID YOU WANT TO COME UP AND SPEAK? HIGHLIGHT IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BRICK ROAD TRAFFIC CALMING, YOU CAN'T SPEAK ON WHEN IT'S PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE THAT'S ITEM IS GOING TO BE DISCUSSED SEPARATELY AS A PRESENTATION. SO SORRY.

IF YOU'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE MIRACLE STREET, WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE PRESENTATION.

THAT'S WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

THIS IS FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA.

I'D LIKE TO GO BACK.

COME BACK, COME BACK. I'M NOT TALKING.

I'M TALKING OFF THE AGENDA.

OH, IT IS OFF THE AGENDA. OH, OKAY.

MY NAME IS JIMMY GLOVER.

IT'S 730 BROOKLYN STREET, SOUTHEAST PALM BAY.

MY PET PEEVE IS ENFORCEMENT OF PARKING IN THE ROAD RIGHT AWAY, NOT THE.

IT'S GETTING TO BE RIDICULOUS.

NOW YOU COME OUT AT NIGHT, THE STREETS ARE VERY POORLY LIT AND YOU'RE RUNNING THE GANTLET, YOU'RE COMING DOWN, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE'S A CAR AND IT'S IT'S ONLY A TWO LANE, TWO LANE STREET AND NOBODY'S DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

I WORK FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT FOR 14 YEARS HERE, AND IT'S GETTING IT'S GETTING CRAZY.

YOU KNOW, NOBODY'S DOING ANYTHING.

I KNOW THERE'S SOMETHING ON THE BOOKS, BUT NOBODY'S ENFORCING IT.

THERE'S NO NEED TO MAKE A NEW ORDINANCE.

YOU HAVE TO FORCE THE ONES THAT STARE.

I KNOW PEOPLE HAVE TO HAVE SOMEWHERE TO PARK, BUT NOT IN THE ROAD RIGHT AWAY.

AND NOBODY'S DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

AND IT'S GETTING IT'S GETTING TO BE RIDICULOUS.

THAT'S JUST MY PET PEEVE.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS ON ANYTHING NOT ON THE AGENDA? NOPE. OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS NUMBER ONE UNDER BUSINESS.

[BUSINESS]

IS TRAFFIC CALMING FOR BRICKELL STREET BETWEEN EMERSON AND ELDERON? ARE YOU DOING HERE? YOU'RE DOING IT.

OH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AGAIN, I'M FRANK WATANABE.

I'M THE CITY ENGINEER. I HAVE A PRESENTATION TONIGHT THAT'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE BRICK STREET TRAFFIC CALMING.

SO I DO HAVE A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION.

SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, IF YOU WAIT TILL THE END, WE CAN ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.

SO I'LL DO THE PRESENTATION.

SO ON THE SCREEN WE WANT TO TALK I'M JUST GOING TO GO OVER THE HIGHLIGHTS OF WHAT IS TRAFFIC CALMING.

TRAFFIC CALMING HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME, 20 YEARS.

IT'S A IT'S A DEVICE USED FOR GOVERNMENT AGENCIES TO HELP MAYBE CALM TRAFFIC.

AND THE THE DEFINITION WE HAVE FOR THE CITY IS TRAFFIC CALMING APPROACH IS TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY TO DEVELOP A NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC CALMING PROGRAM TO REDUCE NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF TRAFFIC, ALTER DRIVER BEHAVIOR AND IMPROVE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY.

OUR METHOD OF WORKING ON TRAFFIC CALMING IS TO START WITH THE LEAST RESTRICTIVE AND THEN MOVE MORE AGGRESSIVELY TOWARDS A MORE RESTRICTIVE.

SO IN OTHER WORDS, WE TRY TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S A LOT BASIC, YOU SAY, AND THEN THEN MOVE TOWARDS A MORE RESTRICTIVE TYPE OF TRAFFIC CALMING.

AND I'LL GO THROUGH THOSE AS I GIVE THE PRESENTATION.

AND SO AND THEN ON THE BOTTOM OF THAT, TRAFFIC CALMING TYPICALLY HAS THREE MAJOR COMPONENTS EDUCATION, ENFORCEMENT, ENGINEERING.

AND SO SHOWN ON THIS SLIDE HERE IS SOME OF THE EDUCATIONAL COMPONENTS WHERE TYPICALLY WHEN YOU HAVE TRAFFIC CALMING, YOU COULD DO LIKE NEIGHBORHOOD YARD SIGNS THAT TALK ABOUT SPEEDING, REDUCING OF SPEEDS.

YES, SIR. WE CAN HARDLY HEAR HIM.

YOU CAN'T. YOU CAN'T HEAR.

YOU CAN HEAR. YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT HE'S SAYING.

OH, I'M SORRY. MAYBE YOU WANT TO MOVE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER.

I'M ON THE MIC, AM I? NOT IN THE MIC? BUT IT'S NOT VERY LOUD TONIGHT.

THERE, ARE YOU? NO, THERE'S. THERE'S. I MEAN, IT'S NOT WORKING.

THIS IS LOW. YOU CAN HEAR YOU JUST A LOW.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO JUST STEP AT THE PODIUM OR USE ANOTHER ONE.

HERE WE GO.

IS THIS. IS THIS BETTER? YEAH, BETTER. ALL RIGHT.

AGAIN, JUST JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT WITH TRAFFIC CALMING, THERE'S THREE COMPONENTS.

THERE'S EDUCATION, THERE'S ENGINEERING, THERE'S ENFORCEMENT.

AND ON THE SLIDE HERE, KIND OF HIGHLIGHTS WHAT IN A PICTORIAL SENSE, WHAT EDUCATION IS.

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YOU CAN PUT UP LIKE YARD SIGNS THAT SAY LIKE, KEEP KIDS ALIVE.

AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD PUTS OUT AND THEY TAKE AND THEY TAKE BACK AT THE END OF THE DAY AND THEY PUT IT BACK ON THEIR YARD.

SO IT CATCHES THE DRIVER'S ATTENTION TO SLOW DOWN.

THE ENFORCEMENT, OF COURSE, IS ENFORCEMENT.

YOU USE MOTOR OFFICERS, POLICE CARS, THEY DO CITATIONS.

THEY DO PUT OUT THEIR RADAR TRAILERS TO EDUCATE THE COMMUNITIES, AND THEN THEY ENFORCE THAT WITH CITATIONS.

THE ENGINEERING IS WHERE WE GET MORE TOWARDS THE PHYSICAL COMPONENTS, WHETHER WE PUT UP FLASHING SIGNS, WE PUT UP CONTROL DEVICES, STOP SIGNS CAN BE USED AS A TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICE, EVEN IF IT DOESN'T MEET THE MUTCD.

IT'S BASED ON AN ENGINEERING JUDGMENT AND I'LL GO OVER THAT LATER ON IN THE PRESENTATION.

BUT STOP SIGNS CAN BE USED FOR TRAFFIC CALMING.

I'VE INSTALLED THEM IN MANY PLACES THAT I'VE BEEN CITY ENGINEER AND TRAFFIC ENGINEER.

AND THEN THE LAST ITEM THAT THEY HAVE IS WHAT YOU CALL SPEED HUMPS, THE NEWER DEVICES, WHAT THEY CALL SPEED CUSHIONS.

AND I'LL GO OVER THAT REAL QUICK.

RIGHT NOW, SPEED CUSHIONS ARE DIFFERENT THAN SPEED HUMPS.

SPEED HUMPS ARE ACTUALLY THE ASPHALT UNDULATION, WHICH IS THE ENTIRE ASPHALT HUMP.

THAT'S WHY THEY CALL SPEED HUMPS.

SPEED CUSHIONS ARE ARE PATCHES.

THESE ARE RECYCLED RUBBER MADE INTO PATCHES.

AND THE BENEFIT OF THESE PATCHES IS THEY'RE DESIGNED SO THAT A FIRE ENGINE CAN STRADDLE THEM.

SO WE'RE PREVIOUSLY WHERE FIRE DEPARTMENTS WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T WANT THOSE AND AMBULANCES DIDN'T WANT THEM BECAUSE IT CREATES AN UNDULATION IN THE VEHICLE.

THESE PATCHES ARE DESIGNED SO THAT THE FIRE ENGINE CAN STRADDLE IT.

SO SO THESE ARE THE NEWER DEVICES AND THESE ARE ACTUALLY BOLTED DOWN ONTO THE PAVEMENT THEN ACTUALLY THEN PAVED ONTO THE ROADWAY.

SO A LITTLE BIT MORE SIMPLER TO INSTALL.

I'VE INSTALLED THESE THE PREVIOUS CITY I WORKED FOR THE CITY OF SEBASTIAN.

SOME OF THOSE PICTURES CAME FROM SEBASTIAN.

SO AGAIN, THESE ARE SOME DOABLE PRODUCTS.

BUT AGAIN, IT HAS TO MEET THE CRITERIA OF EACH STREET AND I'LL GO OVER THAT AS WELL.

SO SPEED CUSHIONS ARE JUST LIKE SPEED HUMPS.

THEY HAVE TO MEET A CERTAIN CRITERIA AND I'LL GO OVER THAT.

OTHER TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICES.

YOU MAY SEE OUR TRAFFIC CIRCLES.

WE HAVE AN INTERSECTION, A FOUR WAY OR A T, YOU COULD PUT A CIRCLE.

IT'S NOT A ROUNDABOUT, BUT IT'S A TRAFFIC CIRCLE THAT HELPS THEN RESTRICT THE TRAFFIC AND SLOWS IT DOWN.

ANOTHER TYPES IS WHAT THEY CALL CHOKERS AND MEDIANS, WHERE YOU TRY TO DIVERT THE ROADWAY SLIGHTLY SO YOU PUT THEM IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD.

SO YOU KIND OF MAKE IT CURVE A LITTLE BIT.

YOU CAN USE THESE WITH PERMANENT FIXTURES LIKE YOU SEE HERE WITH CURB GUTTER AND MEDIANS, OR YOU CAN PUT THEM WITH PLASTICS, BUT THOSE ARE DEVICES USED FOR TRAFFIC CALMING.

ANOTHER DEVICE IS ADDING A MORE ELABORATE LANDSCAPE, MEDIAN ISLANDS TO HELP SLOW DOWN THE TRAFFIC DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROADWAY.

SO ANOTHER DEVICE YOU CAN USE FOR THESE RESIDENTIAL STREETS.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, WE TALKED ABOUT SPEED HUMPS.

SPEED HUMPS, AGAIN, HAS TO MEET A CERTAIN CRITERIA.

THEY ARE NOT CONSIDERED A TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICE.

SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN ENGINEERING STUDY DONE TO PUT IN SPEED HUMPS.

SO AS MANY SPEED HUMPS YOU'VE SEEN AROUND, THEY'RE NOT IN THE MANUAL ON UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES.

SO IT REQUIRES AN ENGINEERING STUDY FOR SPEED HUMPS.

SO I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT YOU MAY HAVE HEARD THE WORD ROAD DIET, ROAD DIET AS PART OF TRAFFIC CALMING.

THEY'RE THEY'RE THE SAME.

HOWEVER, ROAD DIET IS MAINLY USED MORE IN TERMS OF COMMERCIAL AREAS, WHICH YOU WANT TO TRY TO DO IS YOU'RE TRYING TO ENHANCE THE ROAD FOR OTHER USES THAN TRAFFIC.

YOU WANT TO TRY TO ENHANCE IT FOR PEDESTRIAN OR BIKE USE.

SO WHAT YOU'RE USING IT FOR IS FOR OTHER DEVICES TO ADD BIKE LANES.

YOU WANT TO DECREASE THE TRAVEL LANES TO ADD MAYBE PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE FACILITIES.

YOU WANT TO IMPROVE THE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, YOU WANT TO IMPROVE OTHER TYPES OF OPPORTUNITIES WHERE YOU MAY ADD PARKING, YOU WANT TO REDUCE THE INCIDENCE OF CRASHES, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT THE POSTED SPEED COMPLIANCE AND ACTUALLY REDUCE THE SEVERITY OF INJURIES.

SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT WAYS TO MAKE THAT ROADWAY MORE OF A MULTI ROADWAY.

SO THERE'S TYPICALLY THESE ROAD DIETS ARE NOT FOR RESIDENTIAL STREETS.

THEY'RE MAINLY USED MORE IN TERMS OF THE COMMERCIAL AND BUSINESS AREAS, BUT IT DOES APPLY IN SOME WAYS AS AS PART OF A TRAFFIC CALMING BECAUSE THEY'RE INTERTWINED.

SO I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT BECAUSE YOU'LL HEAR THE WORD ROAD DIET QUITE OFTEN.

SO I JUST WANT TO THROW THAT OUT THERE TO GO OVER WHAT IS THE CITY'S TRAFFIC CALMING POLICY AND DEVICE.

WE DO HAVE A POLICY THAT WAS ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, SO THESE ARE THE CRITERIA THAT IT SHALL MEET FOR IT TO GO FORWARD AS A TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURE.

NUMBER ONE, IT MUST BE A LOCAL STREET, A RESIDENTIAL STREET.

ALL YOUR STREETS THAT ARE LOCAL ARE TWO WAY OR RESIDENTIAL.

CONSIDER TO BE LOCAL TRAFFIC.

HOWEVER, THE NEXT CLASSIFICATION BEYOND THAT IS CONSIDERED A COLLECTOR.

BRICK STREET IS CONSIDERED A LOCAL STREET, SO IT MEETS NUMBER ONE CANNOT BE DESIGNED, CANNOT BE DESIGNATED ON A PRIMARY RESPONSE ROUTE.

THAT MEANS IT'S A PRIMARY EMERGENCY FIRE ROUTE.

THE BAD NEWS IS BRICK IS A PRIMARY RESPONSE TO A FIRE.

SO THAT'S WHY IT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN RED.

SO THAT'S A NO NO. THERE CANNOT BE B CANNOT BE MORE THAN TWO TRAVEL LANES.

AND THE. MUST BE MAINTAINED BY THE CITY.

SO OF THE FOUR, THREE OF THEM MEET IT, ONE OF THEM DOESN'T.

AND SO THAT'S THE FIRST LIST.

AND THEN ON THE SECOND LIST IS THE ACTUAL CRITERIA THAT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH FOR IT TO MEET.

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AND I'LL GO THROUGH THESE IN DETAIL, BUT IT IS BASED ON WHAT THEY CALL THE ROADWAY LENGTH.

IT HAS TO BE AT LEAST 1000FT.

AND SO YOU'RE CLOSE TO THAT ONE.

THERE'S NO DRAINAGE CONFLICTS, THERE'S NO DRIVEWAY CONFLICTS.

THE ADT VOLUME IS BETWEEN 500 TO 3000 VEHICLES.

AND I'LL GO OVER YOUR VOLUME ON YOUR ROADWAY, THE 85TH PERCENTILE, WHICH IS SORRY, 65% OF THE VEHICLES TRAVELING ON YOUR ROADWAY HAS TO BE 12 MILES OR GREATER THAN THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT.

YOUR ROADWAY HAS A POSTED SPEED LIMIT OF 30MPH.

THE REASON WHY YOU MAY NOT SEE IT IS BECAUSE UNDER THE FLORIDA STATUTE, ALL LOCAL ROADS, WHICH THEY CONSIDER PRIMA FACIA FACE VALUE ARE 30MPH, DOESN'T HAVE TO BE POSTED AND IT CAN BE ENFORCED WITHOUT SIGN.

ALL LOCAL RESIDENTIAL STREETS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

BUT THEY CALL BY FACE VALUE IS 30MPH.

YOUR STREET IS 30MPH.

SO 12 MILES OVER THAT IS 42 MILES.

AND WE'LL GO OVER THAT AS WELL IN DETAIL.

AND THEN THERE'S ISSUES REGARDING HAS TO HAVE AT LEAST 25% OF THE TRAFFIC BE CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC.

AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, YOUR STREET HAS A LOT OF CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC AND THEN THEN THE 85TH PERCENTILE AGAIN.

THE 85TH, YOU NEED TO HAVE 80%.

85% OF THE PEOPLE HAS TO BE IN SUPPORTIVE OF THIS TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICE.

AND I'LL GO OVER THAT. WHAT IT IS, IS ONCE WE GO THROUGH WHAT I HAVE AS RECOMMENDATIONS AND FINDINGS, I WILL NEED FROM THE COMMUNITY A PETITION THAT HAS 85% THAT'S UNDER THIS GUIDELINE SUPPORTING WHAT I COME AS FINDINGS IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES.

SO IT'S KIND OF A TWO WAY STREET.

AS I SAID BEFORE, IT REQUIRES YOUR SUPPORT AS WELL AS THE CITY SUPPORT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICES AND WE'LL GO OVER THAT IN DETAIL.

I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE CRITERIA.

WE DO HAVE A HANDOUT I WENT UP BEFORE I TOOK LEAVE.

I DID TRY TO PASS OUT SOME OF THESE BROCHURES.

I APOLOGIZE. FIRST OF ALL, MY BAD.

PUTTING THE WRONG EMAIL ADDRESS.

THE FLIER THAT WENT OUT HAD THE WRONG EMAIL ADDRESS, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

SO I TRY TO GO BACK OUT AND HAND OUT THESE FLIERS.

THIS IS OUR STANDARD FLIER AND IF YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE ONE, I'LL BE HAPPY TO GET IT TO YOU.

WE PASS THOSE OUT TOO, WHEN WE HAVE TRAFFIC CALMING EVENTS.

SO YOU'RE NOT SPECIAL.

I'VE DONE SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE FOR FIVE YEARS.

PROBABLY A DOZEN TRAFFIC CALMING STUDIES AND I'VE TAKEN 2 TO 3 TO CITY COUNCIL AND CITY COUNCIL HAS SUPPORTED THE TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURE.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HEADED WITH THIS ONE AS WELL.

SO NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT YOUR STREET.

BRICK STREET, BETWEEN EMERSON AND ELDERON IS SHOWN ON THIS AERIAL MAP.

YOU ARE A PARALLEL ROUTE TO JUPITER.

YOU'RE A CUT THROUGH ROUTE TO JUPITER.

AND I THINK I THINK YOU HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING DONE FROM A TRAFFIC CALMING.

I UNDERSTAND FROM PREVIOUS STAFF THAT THERE HAS BEEN IN THE PAST MANY REQUESTS AND MANY ASKING TO DO SOMETHING ON THAT STREET AND NOTHING HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST. I CAN ONLY MOVE FORWARD WITH TODAY.

I'VE COLLECTED THE DATA AND THE DATA.

I'LL SHOW IT TO YOU IN A FEW MINUTES, WILL DEMONSTRATE WHERE WE GO WITH THIS IN TERMS OF WHAT DIRECTION WE WANT TO GO.

I DO WANT TO THEN GO RIGHT INTO THE DATA AND HERE'S THE DATA THAT I'VE COLLECTED.

BRICK STREET IS ABOUT 4200 LINEAR FEET FROM EMERSON TO ELDERON.

SO REMEMBER THAT 1000FT.

SO THAT'S WAY OVER THE 1000FT THAT MEETS THAT ONE RIGHT OFF THE BAT.

IT'S A IS IT A PRIMARY RESPONSE ABOUT.

YES, IT IS. SO WE HAVE TO ABIDE BY THAT.

SO WE CANNOT PUT SPEED HUMPS ON THIS ROAD.

SO THAT'S THE ONLY ISSUE RIGHT NOW IS WE CANNOT PUT SPEED HUMPS BECAUSE THIS IS A PRIMARY RESPONSE ROUTE.

SO WE HAVE TO ABIDE BY THE POLICE AND FIRE REQUEST OTHER ISSUES.

I WANT TO GO OVER I DID DO TRAFFIC COUNTS FOR THE BETWEEN FEBRUARY 26TH AND MARCH 7TH AND THE TRAFFIC VOLUME, WHICH THEY CALL THE AVERAGE DAILY TRAFFIC ON YOUR ROAD IS 902. SO THAT 902 TRAFFIC VOLUMES IS IN THAT.

BETWEEN THAT 500, REMEMBER, THERE'S A RANGE.

SO YOU'RE STILL GOOD WITH THE TRAFFIC VOLUMES.

YOU HAVE HIGH TRAFFIC VOLUMES.

THE POSTED SPEED IS 30MPH.

I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT AGAIN, THE 85TH PERCENTILE BASED ON THAT TUBE COUNTER, IF YOU'RE OUT THERE, YOU SAW THOSE TWO TUBES THAT ARE SITTING OUT THERE, THE TRAFFIC COUNTERS THAT THE TRAFFIC COUNTER COUNTED SPEED WAS 41.5MPH.

I WENT BACK OUT THERE AND DID A HAND-HELD RADAR GUN.

AND A HAND-HELD RADAR GUN IS WHAT THEY USE IN COURT IS WHAT THEY USE.

IF YOU WANT TO DO A SPEED STUDY, IT'S THE OFFICIAL ONE.

A MACHINE COUNTER PROVIDES DATA, BUT IT'S NOT AS GOOD AS A HAND-HELD RADAR.

IF YOU WANT TO DO OFFICIAL PROFESSIONAL SURVEY, IT HAS TO BE DONE WITH A HANDHELD RADAR.

I WENT BACK OUT THERE SEVERAL TIMES WITH A HANDHELD RADAR.

MY AVERAGE OF THE 85TH WAS 40MPH, SO IT'S STILL HIGHER THAN THE 30 SAY.

AND YOU'RE RIGHT, THE MACHINE COUNTS MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, MIDDLE OF THE MORNING.

IT COUNTS SOME OF THE HIGHER SPEEDS.

I CAN ONLY GO OUT THERE WHEN IT'S CONSIDERED TO BE FREE FLOW CONDITIONS.

SO I CAN'T BE OUT THERE DURING THE PEAK HOURS AND I CAN'T BE OUT THERE AT 1:00 AT NIGHT.

BUT UNDER THE TYPICAL CONDITIONS OF A FREE FLOW CONDITION, YOU'RE STILL HIGHER THAN THE POSTED 30MPH.

SO THERE'S AN ISSUE THERE.

I DID PULL THE ACCIDENT HISTORY FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS, AND THERE WERE SEVEN CRASHES ON YOUR ROADWAY.

AND I'LL GO OVER THAT IN DETAIL, TOO, BECAUSE THERE'S THEY'RE VERY INTERESTING IN TERMS OF WHERE THE INCIDENTS OCCUR.

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AND SO I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A FEW MINUTES.

AND THEN AGAIN, WE RECEIVED IN THE PAST REQUESTS FROM THE RESIDENTS TO DO SOME SORT OF TRAFFIC CALMING.

SO I UNDERSTAND THAT. SO THAT'S ON THE BOOKS TODAY.

THAT'S ON THE RECORD RIGHT NOW.

I'M LETTING YOU KNOW THE RECORDING HERE HERE THAT WE HAVE ISSUES IN THE PAST AND AGAIN, IT APPEARS THAT BRICK STREET IS A CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC.

JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS OUT THERE DOING THE SPEED RADAR SURVEY, I COULD SEE CARS TURNING OFF, TURNING OFF OF EMERSON, GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN, BRICKELL THEN TURNING ONTO ELDON. I MEAN, AT LEAST 50% OF THE CARS I SAW WAS DOING THAT.

SO THIS APPEARS TO BE IS IN FACT, FROM MY OBSERVATION, YOU HAVE CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC ON YOUR STREET.

SO I JUST WANT TO GO ON RECORD AGAIN.

ON RECORD BECAUSE I WAS THERE AND OBSERVED THIS.

HERE ARE THE FINDINGS I WANT TO GO THROUGH.

AND THIS MATCHES THEN THE CRITERIA THAT WE WENT THROUGH.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO GO THROUGH IT QUANTIFIABLY.

SO NOBODY COMES BACK AND SAYS, WELL, YOU SAID THIS, AND THESE ARE JUST PURE FACTS.

RENTING OFF THE CRITERIA FOR TRAFFIC CALMING.

FACT NUMBER ONE IS YOU HAVE OVER THE LENGTH OF THE ROADWAY, REMEMBER 4200 LINEAR FEET.

SO YOU'RE OVER THE 1000.

SO YOU MEET THAT CRITERIA.

YOU HAVE NO DRAINAGE IMPACTS TO THE ROADWAY.

IF YOU PUT SOME TRAFFIC CALMING AND THERE ARE NO DRIVEWAY IMPACTS, IF YOU PUT SOME TRAFFIC CALMING ON YOUR ROADWAY, THE 80.

OF 902 IS BETWEEN THE 200 SORRY, BETWEEN THE 500 AND THE 3000 VEHICLES.

SO YOU'RE IN THAT CATEGORY AS WELL.

SO THESE ARE ALL MEANING YOU MEET THE CATEGORIES, THE 65% OF THE SPEED BEING GREATER THAN THE 30 MILE POSTED.

THE WAY I LOOK AT IT IS, IS THAT YOUR 85TH PERCENTILE AND THE 85TH PERCENTILE SPEED IS A CRITICAL SPEED IS HOW YOU POST YOUR ROADWAY.

AND BECAUSE YOUR 85TH PERCENTILE SPEED, A MACHINE CAN WAS 41 OR 42, MY HANDHELD WAS 40.

YOU HAVE A SPEEDING PROBLEM, I'M SAYING.

SO THAT GOES ON THE RECORD.

I'M SAYING, YES, IT DOES MEET IT BASED ON THE 85TH PERCENTILE.

SO AGAIN, THERE'S ENGINEERING JUDGMENT BEING APPLIED HERE AND THAT'S ALLOWED.

OKAY. AND SO WE CONTINUE ON WITH THE CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC.

YES, WE ALL KNOW THIS CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC.

AND HERE'S WHAT I NEED FROM YOU NOW.

SO ALL THIS SAYS WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ON YOUR ROADWAY.

ALL THIS TELLS ME WE NEED TO DO TRAFFIC CALMING.

SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH MY FINDINGS AND WHAT I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND, I'M GOING TO NEED A PETITION FROM YOU GUYS TO SUPPORT THE THESE TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICES.

SO THAT WAY WHAT HAPPENS NEXT IS, IS AFTER THIS PRESENTATION, IF THE BOARD APPROVES IT AND WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD, I NEED YOUR SUPPORT FROM THE COMMUNITY FOR PETITION.

AND THEN WE TAKE THIS TO CITY COUNCIL.

CITY COUNCIL HAS TO AUTHORIZE THE INSTALLATION BECAUSE THERE'S COST ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

SO THE LAST ITEM WOULD BE A CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL.

SO I JUST WANT TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT WE GO THROUGH.

THE CRASH DATA I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT RIGHT NOW IS HIGHLIGHTED IN HERE ON THE 70 CRASH, WHICH IS SHOWN IN YELLOW IS WHAT YOU NEED TO LOOK AT IN THE HANDOUTS.

THREE OF THE INCIDENTS THAT HAPPENED WAS AT THE INTERSECTION OF EMERSON AND EDDINGTON.

THESE WERE T-BONE ACCIDENTS.

THAT TELLS ME THAT'S INTERSECTION HAD AN ALL WAY STOP.

THOSE THREE ACCIDENTS WOULDN'T OCCUR.

THAT ALONE DEMONSTRATES TO ME THAT THAT INTERSECTION SHOULD BE AN ALL WAY.

STOP IT.

I MEAN, WHEN I'VE BEEN OUT THERE NUMEROUS TIMES, I HAVE A YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE I WANT TO STOP BECAUSE YOU FEEL LIKE SOMEONE'S GOING TO HIT ME AND COMING DOWN THAT ROADWAY AND BECAUSE HERE'S THE PROOF.

THERE IS ACCIDENTS, THREE ACCIDENTS THAT DEMONSTRATE THE NEED FOR AN ALL WAY STOP.

THE OTHER SIDE THEN IS ALSO THE OTHER THREE ACCIDENTS, FOUR ACCIDENTS.

WAS THAT THE INTERSECTION OF EMERSON AND BRICKELL? THAT TELLS ME THAT'S AN INTERSECTION I NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT.

SO THOSE ARE THE TWO ISSUES THAT YOU HAVE ON YOUR ROADWAY.

EVEN THOUGH YOU STILL HAVE SPEEDING, YOU STILL HAVE CUT THROUGH.

NUMBER ONE, THE BEST THING WOULD BE TO INSTALL AN ALL WAY STOP, AND THAT WILL HELP TRAFFIC CALMING.

AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, EVEN THOUGH PEOPLE SAY IT DOESN'T MEET THE CRITERIA AND I'LL GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN, THERE IS A BOTTOM SAYING THE MUTCD AND I'LL SHOW THAT TO YOU RIGHT NOW UNDER THE MUTCD'S, WHICH IS THE MANUAL UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES, WHICH IS WHAT ALL CITIES USE, AND IT'S THE GUIDELINE USED TO INSTALL TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES.

IT'S STATE IN THAT SECTION RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING.

IN THE BEGINNING, IT REQUIRES AN ENGINEERING JUDGMENT.

IN THE BEGINNING OF THAT ENTIRE REPORT, IT SAYS THAT AN ENGINEERING JUDGMENT OR A STUDY NEEDS TO BE CONDUCTED IN AN ENGINEERING JUDGMENT OR STUDY CAN SUPERSEDE ANYTHING IN THAT MANUAL. SO I'M YOUR CITY ENGINEER.

I'M ALSO YOUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER UNDER ENGINEERING JUDGMENT.

IF I DECIDE SOMETHING BETTER, IT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE AN ALL WAY STOP.

I CAN MAKE THAT CALL.

I'VE DONE THE STUDY HERE.

THE STUDY HERE ARE THE FINDINGS, AND IT'S PRETTY QUANTITATIVELY SHOWN.

HERE ARE THE ACCIDENTS HERE, HERE ARE THE NUMBERS.

IT JUSTIFY ITSELF UNDER A STUDY.

WE TAKE THAT TO COUNCIL AND WE REQUEST FOR AN ALL WAY STOP AT THAT INTERSECTION OF EMERSON AND EDDINGTON.

THAT'S NUMBER ONE.

SO, UH, 1810 ANY TEN RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD.

ELLINGTON. SORRY. ELLINGTON. ELLINGTON.

SORRY. ELLINGTON. MY APOLOGIES.

NOT ELLINGTON. ELLINGTON.

SO. SO WITH THAT, HERE ARE MY FINDINGS FOR THE TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURE.

NUMBER ONE, WE CONSIDERED AN ALL WAY STOP AT BRICK STREET AT ELLINGTON AND USE AS A TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURE NUMBER ONE.

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NUMBER TWO, I NEED TO GET A PETITION FROM THE RESIDENTS TO SUPPORTING THIS ALL WAY STOP AT THIS INTERSECTION.

NUMBER THREE, WE TAKE THAT TO CITY COUNCIL AND WE GET THAT AS A CONSIDERATION FOR CITY COUNCIL TO IMPLEMENT THE TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURE FOR THIS ALL WAY STOP.

WE MONITOR IT FOR AT LEAST A YEAR, SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS AND IF WE NEED TO MOVE TO REMEMBER AT THE BEGINNING, IT SAYS IF WE HAVE TO, WE GO FROM A LEAST RESTRICTIVE TO A MORE RESTRICTIVE DEVICE.

MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE ON THE SAME PETITION.

THE MORE RESTRICTIVE DEVICE WOULD BE TO INSTALL A NO LEFT TURN RESTRICTION OFF OF EMERSON.

SO IN OTHER WORDS, THAT LEFT TURN LANE, I GET RID OF IT SO YOU CAN'T MAKE A LEFT ONTO BRICK ANYMORE.

SO THAT GETS RID OF THAT LEFT TURN MOVEMENT, THAT GETS RID OF ALL THOSE CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC THAT ARE CUTTING THROUGH BRICKELL.

THAT IS A MORE RESTRICTIVE.

SO THAT'S THE SECOND HALF OF THE FIRST HALF.

FIRST HALF WE PUT THE ALL WAY STOP, SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

WE MONITOR IT. IF IT HAS ISSUES STILL AND WE SEE STILL A PROBLEM, WE COME BACK AND WE DO.

THE MORE RESTRICTIVE WOULD BE TO ELIMINATE THE NORTHBOUND LEFT TURNS AND TAKE THAT OUT.

AND WHAT I WOULD DO IS IT IS EMERSON IS PLANNED IN THE NEXT YEAR AS PART OF THE ROAD PAVING PROGRAM.

WHAT I COULD DO IS IF THAT DEVICE IS NEEDED IN SIX MONTHS, WE JUST TEMPORARILY BLOCK IT OFF WITH DELINEATORS.

AND THEN WHEN I DO THE ROAD PROGRAM, I PERMANENTLY GET RID OF THAT LEFT TURN LANE AND JUST JUST NOT PUT IT BACK IN.

AND THAT WAY THAT WILL BE A PERMANENT RESTRICTION.

SO AGAIN, THERE'S A HIGHER ASSOCIATED COST ON THAT PART.

SO CITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO APPROVE THE FIRST PHASE, THE STOP SIGN, AND THEN THE MORE RESTRICTIVE AND WE'LL HAVE TO COME BACK AND DEMONSTRATE THE NEED FOR THE MORE RESTRICTIVE.

BUT WE CAN AT LEAST START WITH THE FIRST PHASE, WHICH WOULD BE AN ALL WAY STOP.

AND THAT IS MY FINDINGS AND THAT IS MY REPORT.

AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE OPEN UP FOR DISCUSSION.

I JUST WANTED TO ASK A COUPLE PROCEDURAL QUESTIONS FOR YOUR TRAFFIC CALMING PROCEDURES.

SO IN ORDER FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD OR A CITIZEN TO REQUEST TRAFFIC CALMING, DO THEY TYPICALLY COME BEFORE THIS BODY AND THEN WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL OR IT'S NOT CLEAR THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, BUT THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN IN THE ADOPTED IS IS GOING TO MEET THESE CRITERIA.

SO IT DOESN'T SAY IT HAS TO COME FROM THE COMMUNITY TO SAY WE HAVE TO DO A STUDY.

THE STUDY WAS ALREADY DONE BECAUSE WE'VE RECEIVED ENOUGH REQUESTS IN THE PAST AND CURRENTLY NOW WE HAD SOME VERY OUTSPOKEN RESIDENTS.

SO I DID THIS STUDY AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRAILING IT NOW WITH THE FINDINGS.

SO INSTEAD OF HAVING THE PEOPLE COME TO YOU AND LET'S DO A STUDY, STUDIES ARE DONE, HERE ARE THE FACTS.

SO WE'RE HERE ALREADY.

SO MY ISSUE WOULD BE HERE ARE THE FACTS, HERE ARE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.

THE BOARD WOULD THEN DECIDE WHETHER WE WANT TO SUPPORT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS OR IF YOU WANT TO ASK TO EVALUATE SOME MORE OR GET PUBLIC INPUT.

BUT THE ISSUE IS THE DATA HAS ALREADY BEEN COLLECTED.

IT'S BEEN PRESENTED TO YOU.

YOU NEED TO DECIDE WHICH WAY YOU WANT TO GO WITH IT.

SO THE CITY OF PALM BAY'S PROCEDURE FOR TRAFFIC CALMING.

IS THAT PROCEDURE OUTLINED THAT IT REQUIRES A VOTE FROM THIS BODY.

AND THEN WHAT IS CITY COUNCIL? NO, IT DOESN'T. OKAY.

IT DOESN'T. THE ONLY THING IT REQUIRES IN THE IN THE CITY'S TRAFFIC POLICY, IT REQUIRES A STUDY BEING CONDUCTED AND THAT UNDER THE STUDY, THE DIRECTION IS GIVEN OR A FINDINGS ARE MADE.

AND THEN OF THAT, THEN THE COMMUNITY HAS TO PROVIDE A 85% OF THE COMMUNITY TO SUPPORT THOSE FINDINGS.

AND THEN THAT WOULD THEN GET TAKEN TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO BE CONSIDERED FOR IMPLEMENTATION.

THE REASON FOR REQUIRING CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL IS FOR AN EXPENDITURE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO.

SO. WHAT DOES A STOP SIGN COST? IT'S A STOP SIGN.

IT'LL BE ALL DONE IN.

I THINK IT'S JUST TO GIVE THE COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC ANOTHER CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT FROM A LARGER SCALE AND ALL TRAFFIC CALMING.

AS MUCH AS YOU HAVE A GOOD SHOWING OF PEOPLE HERE, YOU'LL BE SURPRISED.

I'VE DONE MANY OF THESE TRAFFIC STOPS, TRAFFIC CALMING AND ESPECIALLY WITH STOP SIGNS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE SUPPORTIVE OF IT AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE WHO DON'T SUPPORT IT.

AND SO I THINK YOU WANT TO GIVE THIS OPPORTUNITY AND THEN YOU WANT TO BRING IT BACK TO CITY COUNCIL AND GIVE IT ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY SO THAT YOU HAVE AT LEAST TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT CLEARLY IDENTIFY THAT WENT THROUGH A PROCESS.

YOU HAVE THE FACTS AND THAT IN BOTH SITUATIONS, YOU KNOW, THE DIRECTION WAS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.

IT JUST SEEMS TO ME, BECAUSE I'M GLAD THAT ALL ALL OF THESE RESIDENTS ARE HERE TO VOICE THEIR OPINION ON IT.

BUT IT SEEMS LIKE SEVERAL STEPS FOR ME FOR SOMETHING THAT CLEARLY IS THE FINDINGS IN YOUR STUDY.

PLUS, IF YOU HAVE 85% ON A PETITION AT THAT POINT, YOU'VE GOTTEN YOUR PUBLIC INPUT.

I MEAN, TO MAKE THESE PEOPLE COME OUT IN THE RAIN AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO IT TWICE JUST AND WE CAN HAVE A FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT.

BUT PROCEDURALLY, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF STEPS.

TO ME IT IS. BUT THAT'S HOW OUR POLICY IS WRITTEN.

IT'S GOT TO GO. IT HAS TO HAVE A PETITION AND IT HAS TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL.

OKAY. ON. YEAH, THAT'S IT.

BECAUSE THAT'S.

THAT'S WHERE I WAS LOST. BECAUSE IF THEY HAVE 85%, THEN THAT IS THE PEOPLE'S VOICE.

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THEN FROM THERE, IT'S JUST PROCEDURAL, CORRECT? I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T MIND LIKE FOR ME, I HAVE WITH THE DATA THAT'S PRESENTED, I HAVE NO PROBLEM SAYING, YEAH, MAN, I THINK I'D SUPPORT MOVING THIS THROUGH TO ADVISE COUNCIL TO APPROVE IT. BUT THIS IS A PROCEDURE PROCESS.

YOU'RE RIGHT. OKAY.

SO THAT 85% IS 85% OF THE 4200 LINEAR FEET.

IT'S AGAIN, 85% OF WHAT I WASN'T HERE WHEN I WROTE WHEN THIS POLICY WAS WRITTEN.

IF I WOULD HAVE WROTE THIS POLICY, IT WOULDN'T BE AS HIGH AS 85.

I WOULD HAVE HAD THE SUPERMAJORITY OF THE RESIDENTS TO BE 70%.

BECAUSE WHERE DO YOU STOP THE LIMITS OF THIS OF THIS OF THIS AREA? YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? IS IT ONE BLOCK OR IS IT THE ENTIRE STREET OF BRICKELL BETWEEN EMERSON AND ELDERON? SO AGAIN, IT'S A GRAY AREA.

I WOULD SAY IF YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, A LARGE MAJORITY AND WE'VE DONE OTHER TRAFFIC CALMING WHERE WE WERE CLOSE TO IT AND WE TOOK IT TO COUNCIL ANYWAY AND COUNCIL SUPPORTED IT, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH WE DIDN'T GET 85%, I THINK COUNCIL LOOKS AT IT.

IF IT HAS A MAJORITY OF PEOPLE SUPPORTING IT AND THERE'S A NEED AND THE FACTS DEMONSTRATE THE FINDINGS, AS YOU'RE SAYING, THE FACTS DEMONSTRATE THE FINDINGS, THEN IT BECOMES ALMOST A NO BRAINER. WELL, AND JUST TO COMPARE TO OTHER CITIES IN THE AREA, I WON'T NAME ANY NAMES, BUT THEY BUDGET EVERY YEAR FOR TRAFFIC CALMING.

THEY DO THE STUDY AND IT'S IMPLEMENTED ADMINISTRATIVELY.

SO TRUST ME, THIS IS NOT TRUST ME.

I USED TO WORK AND I USED TO WORK FOR THE CITY OF WEST MELBOURNE AND I WROTE THEIR TRAFFIC CALMING POLICY.

SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

YEAH, I GOT TO START LIKE A LOT OF HOOPS FOR PEOPLE TO GO THROUGH TO GET, GOT TO USE WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY ADOPTED.

I CAN'T THINK IN THE LONG TERM.

AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, IN THIS CURRENT BUDGET, WE HAVE MONEY SET ASIDE FOR TRAFFIC CALMING AND MAYBE WITH MORE DISCUSSION WITH THIS BOARD, WE MAKE THIS AND WE CHANGE THAT POLICY. I HIGHLY SUPPORT THAT TOO.

THAT THAT IS EXACTLY.

YES, BECAUSE THIS SEEMS A LITTLE BACKWARDS.

YES. AND SO, LIKE, IF THIS BOARD CAN MAKE IT TO WHERE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THIS JUST TO TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT SEEMS LIKE IT SHOULD BE SIMPLY DONE, THEN I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO BE.

WE SHOULD JUST GO RIGHT TO YOUR BOARD.

IF IT'S ALREADY BEEN BUDGETED, THE MONEY IS THERE.

YOU SHOULD MAKE THE FINAL CALL THEN.

GO AHEAD. YEAH, JUST QUESTION ON THE PROCEDURE.

AGAIN, WHEN YOU STATE 85% BY PETITION AND YOU'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT BRICKELL STREET BETWEEN EMERSON AND ELDERON, WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE 85% OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE DRIVEWAYS THAT TOUCH BRICKELL.

ARE WE TALKING ABOUT LIKE WHEN YOU DO LAND USE AND EVERYTHING ELSE, IT'S 500FT FROM IF YOU READ THE ADOPTED DEFINITION, IF YOU READ THE ADOPTED TRAFFIC CALMING, IT DOES SAY 85% OF THE HOME OWNERS.

I THINK THAT'S INCORRECT.

IT SHOULD BE 85% OF THE PEOPLE LIVING ON THAT STREET BECAUSE YOU COULD HAVE RENTAL PROPERTY.

AND THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN ON THE STREET ARE THE ONES THAT ARE IMPACTED.

YOU COULD HAVE HOME OWNERS WHO RENT IT OUT AND THEY DON'T HAVE ANY OWNERSHIP BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT LIVING THERE.

IT SHOULD BE THE PERSONS RESIDENCE THERE.

WHAT DOES THE POLICY SAY? IT SAYS THE HOMEOWNERS.

OKAY. YEAH.

YEAH. MISS FRAZIER.

ALL RIGHT. QUESTION FOR YOU.

SO KEEP IT DOWN, GUYS.

JUST ONE MINUTE. LET HER FINISH.

OKAY. UM, SO BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH GRAY AREA, HOW IS IT WHAT INFORMATION ARE WHAT NUMBER ARE YOU GOING TO BE ABLE TO GIVE TO THE RESIDENTS FOR THEM TO PREPARE THE PETITION? I THINK THE NUMBERS I'VE SHOWN ARE ALL FACTUAL.

I MEAN, AGAIN, IT MEETS THE DISTANCE, IT MEETS THE TRAFFIC SPEED, IT MEETS THE VOLUME, THE ACCIDENTS.

THOSE ARE ALL FACTUAL. I'M SAYING AS FAR AS THE NUMBER THAT YOU'RE GOING TO REQUIRE FOR THE PETITION, HOW MANY SIGNATURES DO THEY NEED SO THAT THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR? I MEAN, AGAIN, I THINK THEY NEED TO TRY TO ACHIEVE THAT 85%.

BUT AGAIN, IN PREVIOUS TRAFFIC COMMENTS THAT I'VE DONE, WE DID NOT REACH THAT AND WE STILL TOOK IT TO COUNCIL AND COUNCIL STILL SUPPORTED IT BECAUSE THEY SAW IT AS A POSITIVE IN TERMS OF SAVING AND IMPROVING THE SAFETY OF THAT ROADWAY BECAUSE OF THAT.

AND THE FACTS SHOW THAT THE NEED WAS THERE.

COUNCIL APPROVED IT.

SO IT'S 85% OF THE AMOUNT OF LOTS ON THAT STREET BETWEEN EMERSON AND ELDON ON BRICK.

THE THE IT WOULD BE THE HOMEOWNER.

OKAY. ONE SIGNATURE PER PROPERTY.

CORRECT. NOT SO.

IT'S BY PROPERTY OR BY HOME THAT'S BUILT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY VACANT LOTS.

I HOPE IT'S BY PROPERTY.

THAT'S WHAT I'M ASSUMING. BUT IT SAYS HOMEOWNERS, SO I DON'T KNOW.

OKAY. SO IF THEY'VE MARRIED THEIR LOTS.

YEAH, I UNDERSTAND. BUT I'M JUST I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ON THE RECORD FOR EVERYBODY TO KNOW WHAT NUMBER THERE IS.

CORRECT. IF YOU OWN THREE PROPERTY AND YOU MARRIED THEM, THAT'S ONE.

THAT'S ONE PROPERTY. YEAH.

I JUST WANT IT TO BE ON RECORD SO THAT THE RESIDENTS ARE AWARE OF WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.

YEAH, SO.

BUT NOT IF YOU HAVE A VACANT LOT NEXT TO YOU.

THAT'S A SECOND LOT. SO WE DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC NUMBER.

THE THE ADOPTED TRAFFIC CALMING POLICY, WHICH WAS THEN LIKE IT WAS, IT'S BEEN QUITE A LONG TIME.

IT WAS LIKE 2010 OR YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? IT'S NOT CLEAR BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, THE WAY IT'S WORDED IS 85% OF THE HOMEOWNERS.

IT DOESN'T GIVE YOU THE LIMITS.

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SO IT DOESN'T SAY FOR A TRAFFIC CALMING, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? IT REALLY BECAUSE IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO PUT THE PARAMETERS ON THE TRAFFIC CALMING BECAUSE BRICK STREET, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY BRICK STREET GOES A LOT FARTHER BETWEEN EMERSON AND IT CONTINUES ON, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER SIDE, EITHER SIDE.

SO WHERE DO YOU STOP IT? YOU KNOW, FROM A FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION, I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE THE LIMITS OF YOUR STUDY.

THAT'S WHAT I ASSUME AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP IT FOCUSED ON.

SO WE'LL KEEP IT BETWEEN EMERSON AND ELDERON.

YEAH. IF YOU IF YOUR STUDY LOOKED AT BETWEEN EMERSON AND ELDERON, I THINK THAT'S YOUR LIMITS FOR YOUR SIGNATURES AS WELL.

I AGREE. AND THEN YOU HAVEN'T PULLED ANY INFORMATION, JUST CONFIRMING YOU HAVEN'T PULLED INFORMATION AS FAR AS THE NUMBER OF HOUSES ON THE BLOCK WHEN YOU DID YOUR STUDY? NOT YET, BUT THAT'S EASILY DONE TOO.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT. YEAH.

YEAH. YES, SIR.

UM, JUST A MATTER OF PROCEDURE.

WOULD WE BE ALLOWED TO CONSIDER FOREGOING THE PETITION FOR THIS INSTANCE AND RECONSIDER THE TRAFFIC CALMING PROCEDURE? FORWARD. I DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW THE PROCEDURE THAT'S IN PLACE.

I WOULD THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW THE PROCEDURE THAT'S IN PLACE AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

BUT MR. WATANABE IS SAYING THAT CITY COUNCIL HAS THE ABILITY TO WAIVE THE PETITION.

SO I WOULD SAY COLLECT THE SIGNATURES.

WE COULD RECOMMEND DEPENDING AT THIS POINT, WE DON'T KNOW HOW THEY MAY HAVE 100% OF THE SIGNATURES.

WE DON'T. I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF A HYPOTHETICAL.

BUT I THINK WE COULD MAKE THE CASE TO CITY COUNCIL THAT IF THEY DON'T HAVE 85%, IT MAY STILL BE WARRANTED IN OUR OPINION.

HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD BEFORE WE TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY. DID WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS ITEM? IS THAT YOUR LIST OR.

OH, OKAY. BOTH PUBLIC COMMENT AND THE LIST.

OKAY, PERFECT. WE STARTED A PETITION.

YEAH. NOW, I JUST WANT TO SAY, IF YOU'RE ALL HERE TO SAY THE SAME THING, IF YOU WANT TO GROUP IT TOGETHER AND HAVE LIKE, A SPEAKER, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

WELL, I'LL SAY KIND OF LEANING IN YOUR DIRECTION.

SO, AM I SUPPOSED TO START WITH NAME AND ADDRESS YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? YES, PLEASE. KATELYN MEACHEM, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN.

BRICKELL. SO I DID WANT TO ALSO CLARIFY, IS IT OWNERS RENTERS? BECAUSE THERE ARE A FEW RENTERS IN THE AREA THAT ARE HERE TONIGHT AND WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THEIR COMMUNITY BE SAFE AS WELL, EVEN THOUGH THEY DON'T OWN THAT HOME.

SO THAT'S AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION THAT I'M HOPING THAT WE COULD CLARIFY AND MAYBE EVEN CHANGE IN THE FUTURE.

I'M EXCITED TO SEE THAT YOU GUYS ARE DISCUSSING MAKING THIS A MORE STREAMLINED PROCESS BECAUSE NO NEED FOR ALL THE PAPERWORK AND TIME WASTING.

GOVERNMENT IS GREAT AT THAT.

BUT OUR ULTIMATE GOAL HERE IS TO MAKE OUR COMMUNITY SAFER BECAUSE I HAVE TWO SMALL CHILDREN AND MANY OF MY NEIGHBORS HAVE SMALL CHILDREN.

AND EVERY DAY I'M TIRED OF WORRYING ABOUT THEIR CHILDREN AND MY CHILDREN BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE PERSON WHO LIVED NEXT TO ME MOVED WITHIN A FEW WEEKS OF HIS SON'S BASKETBALL BEING STRUCK BY A CAR BECAUSE HE REALIZED THAT HIS SON COULD HAVE BEEN ATTACHED TO THAT BALL.

HE WOULD HAVE JUST AS EASILY PURSUED IT INTO THE STREET.

SO IT'S IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE WERE HOPING TO HAVE TAKEN CARE OF BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC IS DEPLORABLE.

AND EVEN THOUGH I'M PERSONALLY NOT A FAN OF ELIMINATING THAT LEFT TURN BECAUSE THAT MAKES IT VERY HARD FOR ME TO RETURN FROM MY PARENTS HOUSE REGULARLY.

I AM VERY MUCH A FAN OF MAKING ELLINGTON AND BRICKELL FOUR WAY BECAUSE AT THE VERY LEAST, AS AS MR. WANTANABE POINTED OUT, THAT IT WOULD AT LEAST DECREASE THOSE T-BONES BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE TWO FAILURES TO STOP FOR THAT TO HAPPEN.

ALL OF THE LOCALS THAT I KNOW YIELD AT THAT INTERSECTION BECAUSE WE HAVE TO WE KNOW WE HAVE TO.

WE CAN'T TRUST THAT INTERSECTION AT ALL.

SO IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING.

SO WE'RE DEFINITELY LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.

BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CLARIFY OWNERS AND THEIR SIGNATURES.

I'M EAGER TO HEAR YOUR DECISION ON WHETHER WE NEED TO COLLECT 85%.

EXACTLY. THERE ARE A FEW PEOPLE WHO LIVE, ESPECIALLY ON THAT CORNER OF BRICKELL AND ELLINGTON.

THEIR PROPERTY, THEIR ADDRESS IS ELLINGTON, AND I'M SURE THEY WOULD STILL APPRECIATE TO HAVE THAT AREA.

EVEN PEOPLE 1 OR 2 STREETS OVER TOWARDS LIKE COCONUT OR BLACKHORSE, ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE, THEY USE THAT ROUTE TO GET INTO THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, AS THEY SHOULD.

IT IS A ROUTE TO ACCESS THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY'RE JUST AS MUCH IN DANGER OF ALL THAT.

SO I'M CURIOUS IF IT'S EVEN A POSSIBILITY TO EXPAND THE ZONE AND SEE HOW HOW WE CAN GET THE COMMUNITY INVOLVED IF WE DO, IN FACT, REQUIRE THAT 85% TO A TEE.

SO THAT'S THAT'S MOSTLY JUST WHAT I WANTED TO ADDRESS.

BUT IT'S IT'S PRETTY DEPLORABLE.

AND I'M HAPPY TO SEE THAT WE'RE TAKING CARE OF IT.

I AM DISAPPOINTED THAT IT TAKES A MONDAY RAINY NIGHT OF US GATHERING ONCE, POSSIBLY EVEN TWICE TO DO THIS.

SO I'M HOPING THAT IN THE PROCESS WE CAN STREAMLINE THIS WHILE WE'RE COVERING ALL OF THOSE THOSE BASES.

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BUT I'M DEFINITELY FOR THE FOUR WAY STOP.

I KNOW LIVING ON THE STREET, I DO NOT WANT THE SPEED HUMPS BECAUSE THEN I HAVE TO LIVE WITH THEM.

BUT SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS DO, AND I RESPECT THAT.

IF THEY BELIEVE IT'S A BETTER APPROACH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SEE WHAT WORKS BEST.

BUT I THINK DEFINITELY TO SLOW THINGS DOWN, THE FOUR WAY STOP WOULD HELP IMMENSELY.

AND THE SPEED SIGNS THAT FLASH AND TELL YOU TO SLOW DOWN WHEN YOU'RE GOING OVER THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT, THOSE WOULD BE WONDERFUL, BUT THEY SHOULDN'T BE POSTED AT THE END OF THE STREET. YOU DON'T HAVE ANY TIME TO GET TO THE SPEED OF THE POSTED SIGN FOR IT TO WARN YOU TO SLOW DOWN.

SO WHEN WE SAW THOSE INSTALLED TEMPORARILY, I WAS CONFUSED AND I ASKED MY HUSBAND, I SAID, CAN YOU EVEN GET UP TO 30 MILES AN HOUR BEFORE YOU PASS THAT SIGN? AND HE SAID, I TRIED, SO IT'S NOT EVEN POSSIBLE.

SO SO WE'RE HOPING THAT IF YOU DO WANT TO RETURN THOSE FLASHING SIGNS THAT THEY'RE INSTALLED SOMEWHERE IN THE CENTER OF THE STREET, AND IT'S NOT JUST THIS ONE CENTER CHUNK OF BRICKELL.

BRICKELL IS A VERY LONG STREET THAT EXTENDS PAST BOTH OF THE MAJOR ROADWAYS.

AND EVEN THOUGH THE WEST END DOESN'T HAVE AS MUCH OF AN ISSUE, THE EASTERN END OF BRICKELL HAS ALMOST AS BAD OF AN ISSUE AS THE CENTER SECTION OF BRICKELL.

SO THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT WE COULD MAYBE MULTITASK WITH.

I HOPE I'VE ADDRESSED ANYTHING IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO ADD ANYTHING.

THAT WAS GOOD. MY NAME IS THERESA CAHILL, AND I'M AT 742 BRICKELL, AND I KNOW YOU'RE YOUR FINDINGS WERE FROM 2222.

BUT SINCE YOUR FINDINGS, THERE'S BEEN TWO MORE ACCIDENTS ON THE CORNER OF ELLINGTON AND BRICKELL, AND ONE OF THEM WAS A FATALITY. AND ALSO THAT PARTICULAR CORNER THREE TIMES A DAY IS A SCHOOL BUS STOP.

AND THE KIDS ARE ACTUALLY SCARED TO STAND WHERE THE BUS IS.

WHEN THE BUS IS COMING, WHEN THAT BUS COMES DOWN THE ROAD, THE KIDS FINALLY GO GO OUT.

BUT THEY STAND WAY BACK BECAUSE THEY'RE AFRAID SOMETHING'S GOING TO SOMETHING'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

AND ANOTHER ISSUE I HAD WITH IT WHEN I MOVED INTO THAT HOUSE SIX YEARS AGO, MY DAUGHTER CAME TO STAY FOR A WHILE AND HER CAR WAS TOTALED IN MY DRIVEWAY ON A HIT AND RUN DRIVER.

THAT TELLS ME AND THE POLICEMAN TOLD ME THAT THAT TRUCK THAT HIT HER CAR HAD TO BE GOING 80 MILES AN HOUR TO MAKE THAT MUCH DIFFERENCE BECAUSE HE HIT THE REAR END OF HER CAR AND SLID IT ACROSS THE DRIVEWAY.

SO, YES, WE NEED THINGS ON BRICK STREET BECAUSE IT IS A GO THROUGH STREET FOR SCHOOL BUSSES.

THE POLICE COME UP AND DOWN THERE ALL THE TIME AND AT ONE TIME THE POLICEMAN TOLD ME BECAUSE I WAS SO HAPPY TO SEE HIM OUT THERE WHEN THE KIDS WERE WAITING FOR THEIR BUS THAT HE COULD MAKE HIS TOTALLY MONTHLY TOTAL SITTING ON BRICK STREET AT 830 IN THE MORNING.

WELL, THAT JUST IS THINGS THAT DON'T COME UP.

AND I RESPECT YOUR WHAT YOU CAME UP WITH.

BUT SOME OF IT IS THINGS THAT YOU GUYS DON'T KNOW UNLESS YOU HEAR FROM US.

VERY TRUE. AND RATHER THAN GOING ON AND ON, I JUST I JUST WANTED TO.

OH, AND ONE LAST THING.

I'LL BET YOU HALF OF THE PEOPLE HERE HAVE HAD THEIR MAILBOX RAILED DOWN.

YEP. YEP. THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK? OH, HOLD ON. EITHER WHICHEVER ONE OF YOU WANTS TO GO FIRST.

I'LL NEVER GET ANYBODY. WAY.

HI. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. PERFECT.

SO WE LIVE AT 851 BRICK STREET.

THAT IS THE CORNER OF BRICKELL AND EMERSON WHERE THAT NORTHBOUND LEFT LANE IS.

WE CAN'T EVEN PULL OUT OF OUR DRIVEWAY.

WE'VE HAD CARS THAT HAVE COME AND LITERALLY DRIVEN RIGHT UP ONTO THE GRASS, ALMOST TO THE HOUSE.

I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES THE MAILBOX HAS BEEN KNOCKED DOWN.

IT'S IT'S IMPOSSIBLE.

ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO, MY MOM, WHO'S 81 YEARS OLD, WENT OUT TO HER MAILBOX.

SHE GOT SIDESWIPED SO BAD THAT SHE FELL INTO THE MAILBOX, GOT AN INFECTION IN HER LEG.

IT'S. IT'S BAD.

IT'S REALLY BAD. THE ONLY WAY THAT THAT IS GOING TO BE SOLVED RIGHT THERE, NORTHBOUND LEFT TURN LANE, CLOSE IT.

YOU'VE GOT TO CLOSE.

EMERSON THERE IS NO OTHER WAY THAT WAY BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GO BRICK STREET AND MAKE THAT LONG LOOP AND TRY TO GO ALL THE WAY AROUND.

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I WOULDN'T EVEN NOT JUST CLOSE BRICKELL AND EMERSON RIGHT THERE.

I DO THE NEXT ONE TO CLOSE IT UP TOO.

THAT IS THE ONLY WAY I THINK YOU SHOULD DROP THE SPEED LIMIT TO 25 MILES AN HOUR.

I DON'T KNOW WHY WE HAVE TO HAVE IT.

30. WHY? WHY NOT EVEN DROP IT TO 20 MILES AN HOUR? IS THERE A PROBLEM WITH THAT? IS THERE SOME LAW THAT SAYS WE HAVE TO HAVE IT AT 30 MILES AN HOUR? THAT'S WHAT I FEEL.

WHEN YOU'RE IN MY MOM'S HOUSE, I CAN TELL YOU IT'S LIKE A RACETRACK ON EMERSON AND IT'S BAD.

AND YOU HEAR IT ALL THE TIME.

SKIDDING, CRASHING, SKIDDING, CRASHING.

I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ONLY HAVE SEVEN CRASHES BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU WE HEAR THEM, SO.

BUT MAYBE THEY'RE NOT ONCE THEY CRASH, MAYBE THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT ON THE NEXT STREET, ON ANDREWS STREET OR RIGHT THERE ON THE OTHER SIDE.

BUT IT'S BAD.

I AGREE WITH THE FOUR WAY STOP ON ELLINGTON.

SHOULD HAVE BEEN THERE A LONG TIME AGO.

I DON'T KNOW WHY IT HASN'T BEEN DONE.

UM. THE THING THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND, IF WE HERE IN FLORIDA, A HUGE PERCENTAGE OF ALL THE HOMES IN FLORIDA ARE INVESTMENT HOMES, WHICH MEANS THEY'RE RENTALS OR THEY'RE AIRBNB.

IT IS.

UM, UNACCEPTABLE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF A CITY BYLAW THAT REQUIRES 85% OF THE HOME OWNERS TO SIGN A PETITION.

A LOT OF THEM ARE OUT OF THE STATE, OUT OF THE COUNTRY.

YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW THEM.

YOU CAN'T EVEN FIND THEM.

SO IT'S UNREALISTIC.

COMPLETELY UNREALISTIC.

WELL, I THINK I'VE SAID EVERYTHING I NEED TO SAY.

THANK YOU. THIS IS 8.51 BRICK STREET.

THAT'S THE CORNER OF BRICKELL AND EMERSON.

AND THAT'S YOUR HOUSE, OR THAT'S MINE.

AND MY MOM'S AND YOUR MOM'S.

IT'S IN A TRUST, BUT IT'S MY MOM'S HOUSE.

OKAY? AND THE THING IS, ACROSS THE STREET FROM THAT, THAT PROPERTY, WE OWN THAT, TOO.

BUT THAT'S ALL VACANT LAND.

AND GOD FORBID IF WE EVER THOUGHT TO BUILD A HOUSE ON IT BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T.

IT'S IMPOSSIBLE.

IT'S SO BAD.

AND NOW THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A MOBILE HOME THAT IS BEING BUILT ON THE CORNER OF ANDREW AND EMERSON.

OKAY. HOW IS THAT GOING TO WORK? OKAY. AND NOT A MOBILE HOME, A MODEL HOME, A MODEL HOME, A MODEL HOME IS BEING PUT THERE WITH PEOPLE GOING IN AND OUT.

I DON'T I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW THEY GOT PERMISSION TO DO THAT BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC IS LIKE IT'S LIKE A RACETRACK THERE.

SO I THINK WE NEED TO SLOW IT DOWN.

I THINK WE NEED TO DO 20 MILES AN HOUR, 25 AT THE MOST, PROBABLY BRICKELL AND ANDREW STREET BECAUSE ANDREW STREET AND MAYBE COCONUT OR COCO OR WHATEVER IT IS THERE TOO, BECAUSE IT GOES RIGHT FROM ELLINGTON.

SO THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MA'AM.

DID YOU STATE YOUR NAME? WHAT'S YOUR NAME? MY NAME IS CLAUDIA.

COULD YOU SAY IT IN THE MICROPHONE REAL QUICK SO SHE GETS IT ON THE RECORDING? YEP. CLAUDIA COREY CHURCH.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

I'M SURE THAT YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

YES, MY NAME IS CONNIE GLASS.

BUT I DO HAVE A CONFIDENTIAL ADDRESS ON RECORD.

THAT'S FINE. THANK YOU.

I JUST NEED SOME CLARIFICATION.

ADDRESS. ADDRESS.

IT'S CONFIDENTIAL BECAUSE OF MY JOB.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY.

I LIVE ON THE EAST END OF BRICKELL, EAST OF EMERSON.

I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS MEASURE WOULD NOT COVER THE EAST END OF BRICKELL.

IS THAT ACCURATE? UH. IMAM.

THE STUDY THAT I WAS ASKED TO DO BASED ON SOME COMMENTS AND EMAILS FROM THE RESIDENTS WAS THE STUDY BETWEEN EMERSON AND ELDERON.

HOWEVER, IF THERE IS A REQUEST TO DO AN ADDITIONAL STUDY EAST OF EMERSON ALL THE WAY TO THEIR OTHER END, I'LL BE HAPPY TO DO THAT AS WELL.

THAT WOULD BE PHENOMENAL.

THE TRAFFIC IS CRAZY.

I MEAN, WE HAVE PEOPLE ON MOTORCYCLES DOING WHEELIES GOING DOWN THE EAST END OF BRICKELL.

I'M NOT KIDDING YOU.

45, 50 MILES AN HOUR.

I AM AFRAID TO CROSS MY ROAD, WHICH IS BRICKELL, TO GET TO MY MAILBOX.

GOD FORBID I DON'T DO IT AT NIGHT, AND I DON'T DO IT WHEN IT'S RAINING.

BECAUSE EVEN IF SOMEONE SLOWS DOWN, THEY CAN JUST CRASH RIGHT INTO ME AND THE MAILBOXES.

I AM AWARE THAT IT IS USED A LOT BY POLICE AND FIRE, AND I RESPECT THAT AND I WANT THEM TO HAVE THAT THAT MAJOR ROAD.

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BUT IT'S DANGEROUS RIGHT NOW.

SO IF ANYBODY COULD LOOK AT THE EAST END OF BRICKELL FROM EMERSON AND BRICKELL GOING EAST, THAT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. THANK YOU.

GREAT. HOLD ON. HE'S BEEN WAITING.

OH, SORRY. UH, I'M JIM PIERCE.

HE WAS. HE WAS WAITING.

YOU WERE WAITING. I'M SORRY.

I DIDN'T LOOK THAT FAR BEHIND ME.

I'LL BE QUICK.

I AGREE WITH ALMOST EVERYTHING THAT WAS SAID OUT HERE EXCEPT ONE THING WHERE WE'RE GETTING INTO A BUREAUCRATIC SHUFFLE THAT'S DELAYING EVERYTHING.

IF YOU'VE ALREADY HAD EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM THERE.

YOU DON'T NEED TO SIGN A PETITION TO GET YOU TO DO WHAT YOU KNOW NEEDS TO BE DONE.

OKAY. YOU ARE THE LEADERSHIP.

IS THAT RIGHT? WE ARE AN ADVISORY BOARD TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

THANK YOU. EXCUSE ME.

SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS WHAT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL.

AS MR. WATANABE STATED, THE PROCEDURE THAT THE CITY OF PALM BAY HAS IN PLACE DOES REQUIRE A PETITION.

WE DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY AS THIS BOARD TO WAIVE THAT PETITION REQUIREMENT.

ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. I'M OUT OF I'M OUT OF WHACK.

BUT I SEE BUREAUCRATIC SHUFFLE GOING ON ALL THE TIME OUT HERE, AND IT BOTHERS ME.

SEE A NEED TO DO SOMETHING.

TAKE CARE OF IT, PLEASE.

AND. AND ADVISE THEM TO TAKE CARE OF IT AS MUCH.

AND THIS. EVERYTHING I SAID, MY MAILBOX GOT KNOCKED DOWN.

I LIVE AT 773.

BRICKELL. AND YEAH, SOMEBODY DECIDED THIS IS NOT MY TRAFFIC CALMING, BUT SOMEBODY USED MY DRIVEWAY AS A BACKUP AND KNOCKED A WALL DOWN.

YOU WANT TO TALK? COME ON UP HERE.

I'M SORRY. I HAD A COUPLE OF MORE THINGS.

I AGREE WITH MS.. COREY.

UH, ABOUT WHAT SHE SAYS.

BECAUSE I WALK A LOT.

I'M 81 YEARS OLD. I LIKE TO WALK AROUND MY NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT I'M AFRAID TO WALK OUT THERE SOMETIMES AT 8:00 IN THE MORNING.

DON'T GO OUT THERE. AND YOU SEE EVERYTHING FROM PEOPLE PUTTING COFFEE UP IN THEIR FACE TO MAKE UP BEING PUT ON WHILE YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THE STREET AT 60 MILES AN HOUR.

AND THE POLICE ARE VERY GOOD.

THEY ARE OUT THERE, BUT THEY CAN'T BE OUT THERE ALL THE TIME.

IT'S NOT NOT EVEN PRACTICAL TO EXPECT.

GOT TO EDUCATE PEOPLE.

STOP SIGNS ARE ONLY GOOD IF THEY'RE RED.

THAT'S WHY I LIKE A PHYSICAL SOMETHING OUT THERE.

I MEAN. THAT THAT T-BONE THAT HAPPENED.

GUY WAS COMING THROUGH THE STOP SIGN.

SO IT'S IMPRACTICAL TO SAY STOP SIGNS ARE GOING TO CAUSE A CURE EVERYTHING.

YOU'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO EDUCATE PEOPLE TO READ, I GUESS.

I'M GETTING EXCITED. I'LL GET OUT OF HERE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

HEY, WHILE HE'S COMING UP.

NO. JUST A QUICK QUESTION, FRANK.

THIS THIS BOARD, WE CAN WE CAN GET TOGETHER TO MAKE SUGGESTIONS, TO GO AHEAD AND CHANGE THE PROCESS.

RIGHT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT.

YES. I THINK WHAT WE WHAT THE BOARD WANTS TO DO IS BRING THIS ITEM BACK AS AGENDIZED ITEM TO REVIEW THE COMMON POLICY THAT ADOPTED ONE AND MAKE CHANGES TO THE ADOPTED POLICY AND BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL SO THAT THEY CAN THEN APPROVE THAT CHANGE TO THE ADOPTED TRAFFIC COMMON POLICY.

OKAY. AND THAT WOULDN'T I WOULDN'T SUGGEST TO, TO NOT GET THE SIGNATURES.

I WOULD STILL DEFINITELY DO THAT BECAUSE WE MEET LIKE ONCE A MONTH.

SO AND THIS SOUNDS LIKE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE EXPEDITIOUSLY AS POSSIBLE.

SO IF THE CITIZENS ARE STILL GOING TO GET SIGNATURES, I THINK THAT SHOULD JUST TO HELP YOU OUT.

YOU KNOW, I THINK WE STILL HAVE WE HAVE A CURRENT ADOPTED POLICY WE HAVE TO FOLLOW.

YES. EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS SAYING WE WANT TO DO IT SOONER AND FASTER, JUST LET YOU KNOW AS SOON AS CITY COUNCIL APPROVES THIS PROJECT, THE INSTALLATION OF THE ALL WAY STOP, I CAN HAVE A CREW OUT THERE IN TWO DAYS TO INSTALL THAT STOP SIGN.

AS SOON AS THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVES THE INSTALLATION OF ALL WAY STOP, I'LL HAVE THE DEVICES ALL READY TO GO AND IT'LL TAKE THEM A COUPLE OF DAYS AND THEY'LL BE UP.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

YES, SIR. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.

MY NAME IS EDWIN MIRANDA, AND I LIVE IN 761 BRICKELL.

JUST THANK YOU.

I'VE BEEN SPEAKING TO FRANK.

HIM AND I WERE THE ONES EMAILING ONCE BACK AND FORTH.

I WAS THE ONE THAT STARTED THIS WHOLE THING.

I HAVE A THREE YEAR. A FOUR YEAR OLD DAUGHTER.

I CAN'T GO OUTSIDE AND RIDE.

TEACH HER HOW TO RIDE A BICYCLE.

I CAN'T GO PLAY OUT IN THE STREET, PLAY BASKETBALL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

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EVERYTHING HAS TO BE IN OUR YARD IF WE GO OUT TO THE STREET, I CAN'T.

MY DAUGHTER WANTS TO HELP GET THE MAIL.

WE CAN'T DO THAT.

WANTS TO HELP GET THE TRASH CAN.

CAN'T DO THAT. UNDERSTANDABLE.

I USED TO LIVE ON DEGROOT ROAD.

THAT WAS A BUSY ROAD.

I SOLD THAT HOUSE JUST BECAUSE OF THE MAIN STREET.

WHEN I WAS LOOKING TO PURCHASE THIS HOUSE.

IT WAS ON DURING THE DAY.

NOT MANY CARS, NO TRAFFIC.

AND WHEN I CLOSED ON THE HOUSE FINAL WALKTHROUGH, THAT'S WHEN I STARTED REALIZING ALL THESE SPEEDERS AND I WAS LIKE I WANTED TO BACK OUT.

SO HERE I AM CONTEMPLATING SHOULD I SELL MY HOUSE AND MOVE? BUT IT'S AN INVESTMENT.

YOU LOSE MONEY, YOU IT'S BECOMES A LOT OF MONEY.

SO JUST TO TOUCH A LITTLE, A COUPLE TOPICS, I WAS JUST WRITING DOWN THE FOUR WAY STOP SIGN, DEFINITELY 100%.

THAT WOULD HELP US A LOT.

I STOPPED. I MADE SURE TO LOOK BOTH WAYS, EVEN IF THAT'S THE INTERSECTION ON MY END THAT DOES NOT NEED DOES NOT HAVE A STOP SIGN BECAUSE EVERYONE JUST RUNS THROUGH THOSE STOP SIGNS LIKE NOTHING.

THERE'S FLIP TRUCKS AND EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENED THERE.

I'VE SEEN IT MYSELF, JUST PULLING UP A TRUCK IN FRONT OF ME.

HIM AND HIS TRAILER LAST MINUTE FLIPPED AND THE OTHER VEHICLE ENDED UP GOING THROUGH THE OTHER, THE NEIGHBOR'S YARD, ALMOST GOING TOWARDS THE CANAL.

SO IT'S BE GOING THAT FAR AND ALMOST HITTING THE CANAL.

YOU HAVE TO BE SPEEDING.

UM, SO THE SPEED HUMPS, I UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE LAW ENFORCEMENT, FIREFIGHTERS AND SO ON.

UM, THE SPEED BUMPS ARE NOT ALLOWED.

I GET IT. SPEED HUMPS ARE NOT ALLOWED.

WE HAVE TO START WITH THOSE.

UM, WHERE YOU WERE JUST SAYING THE.

THE BOLT, THE CUSHIONS.

YEAH. SO DEFINITELY THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

UM, I KNOW YOU SAID MAYBE WE HAVE TO START WITH ONE HERE, AND THEN IF IT'S CHECK YOUR STUDIES AND THEN WE CAN ADD MORE.

I GET IT. IF WE CAN GO AHEAD AND ADD AS MANY AS POSSIBLE STOP SIGNS, THAT'S GOING TO TAKE CARE OF IT.

WE JUST NEED TO DIVERT TRAFFIC.

WE HAVE SCHOOLS RIGHT THERE.

WE HAVE THE SOUTHWEST MIDDLE SCHOOL AND THEN WE HAVE AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

THEY BOTH RELEASE AT DIFFERENT TIMES THROUGHOUT THE DAY.

WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING ON JUPITER, THOSE SPEED LIMITS DROP TO 15 MILES AN HOUR.

DO YOU? AND THE LINES ARE BACKED UP.

HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THOSE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL WHERE THE LINE IS ALL THE WAY DOWN JUPITER? UM, GOING BECAUSE EVERYONE'S JUST WAITING FOR THEM TO OPEN THE GATES SCHOOL TO RELEASE.

IT'S BACKED UP.

WHERE DOES EVERYONE TAKE BRICKELL? SO THEY GO FROM EMERSON TO ELDERON TO CUT THROUGH IF THEY NEED TO GO SOUTH, NORTH, EAST, WEST, WHATEVER.

SO THAT'S DEFINITELY A BIG THING.

SCHOOL BUSSES ARE SPEEDING DOWN OUR STREET.

THE SCHOOL BUSSES.

I GET IT. MY FATHER WAS A SCHOOL BUS DRIVER.

YOU GO AHEAD AND YOU TAKE YOUR ROUTES, YOUR PRACTICE ROUTES BEFORE SCHOOL STARTS.

WHAT'S THE FASTEST WAY? WHAT'S THE BEST WAY? AND SO ON.

BRICKELL. THERE'S NOT JUST ONE SCHOOL BUS.

IT'S A LOT OF SCHOOL.

BUSSES ARE GOING DOWN AND THEY'RE SPEEDING.

WHERE I EVEN HAVE TO TELL THEM, LIKE, SLOW DOWN SEMIS, DUMP TRUCKS, EVERYTHING.

THERE'S NO CONSTRUCTION ON OUR ON OUR STREET.

ONLY IF THERE'S NEW HOUSES BEING BUILT.

GET IT? THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE.

YOU HAVE SPEED BUMPS IN OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THEY'RE VERY AGGRESSIVE IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.

A FIRE TRUCK STILL NEEDS TO GET THROUGH.

CORRECT. AN AMBULANCE STILL NEEDS TO GET THROUGH.

SO IF THERE'S A WAY THAT WE CAN TRY TO ENFORCE THIS AND I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE A PROCESS TO DO THINGS AND I GET IT 100%, BUT I, I WAS THE ONE THAT PASSED OUT THE FLIERS AND I WENT DOOR TO DOOR TO EVERY SINGLE PERSON.

AND FOR HOMEOWNERS THAT HAVE LIVED THERE FOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS, THEY SAID, I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS FOR 20 YEARS.

DON'T EVEN WORRY ABOUT IT.

DON'T BOTHER. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING.

AND I SAID, NO, I'M GOING TO TRY.

AT LEAST I TRY. I'LL TRY.

IF NOT, I'LL MOVE.

THAT'S THE LAST RESORT.

WE HAVE THE MAYOR THAT LIVES AT.

HE WAS A PREVIOUS MAYOR FOR THE CITY OF PALM BAY THAT LIVES ON BRICKELL.

I WENT TO HIS DOOR TO PASS OUT THE FLIER, AND HE SAID NO.

HE DIDN'T WANT ANY OF THE SPEED HUMPS OR ANYTHING BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO DAMAGE HIS CAR.

WELL, IF YOU'RE GOING AND DRIVING REALLY FAST, OF COURSE IT'S GOING TO DAMAGE YOUR CAR.

IF YOU DRIVE RESPECTIVELY, YOU WILL BE YOUR CAR WILL BE FINE.

SO THAT'S IF THAT'S A REASON FOR SOMEONE NOT TO GET THESE THINGS INSTALLED.

I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD GO BY THAT, YOU KNOW.

THERE'S EVEN TIMES FOR ME TAKING THE TRASH OUT.

I ALMOST GOT SIDESWIPED BY A CAR ONCE.

YOU HAVE THE SCHOOL BUSSES.

THE OTHER DAY, MY NEIGHBOR, A MIRROR.

HE FOUND IT ON HIS FRONT YARD.

A CAR WENT AHEAD AND HIT HIS MIRROR ON THE EDGE OF HIS TRASH CAN AND HIS MIRROR WAS ON THE GRASS.

AND THE GUY KEPT GOING.

NO, DIDN'T CARE.

ALSO, THERE WAS ANOTHER NEIGHBOR.

I HAVE HER AS A FRIEND ON FACEBOOK.

HER SON TOOK OUT THE TRASH CAN TO THE STREET, LITERALLY IN THE CAMERA, LITERALLY LIKE A 30 SECONDS TO A MINUTE AS SHE WAS PUTTING HER KIDS IN THE CAR.

A ROOFING TRUCK CAME AND JUST SMASHED INTO THAT TRASH CAN AND KEPT GOING LIKE NOTHING.

SO. I.

GOOD THING I KNEW THE NAME WHO IT WAS BECAUSE HE ACTUALLY LIVED AROUND THE BLOCK ON THE OTHER STREET.

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UM. BUT YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO GO AND GIVE YOU GUYS MY INPUT AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU AND FOR HELPING ME OUT.

BUT HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET SOMETHING RESOLVED.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR FOR COORDINATING THIS.

DID WE HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS THIS EVENING? IN THE BACK. OKAY.

MR. BATTEN. BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST.

I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF ITEMS ON THIS ONE.

IF BY CHANCE THEY DID BLOCK THE NORTH BOUND OR THE LEFT LANE.

ENTRANCE SINCE THIS WAS A PRIMARY RESPONSE ROUTE.

BUT THAT WOULD THAT PROHIBIT THE EMERGENCY VEHICLES FROM COMING IN OFF OF THAT ROUTE, TOO, IF THEY HAD TO? THAT WAS A QUESTION.

RIGHT. THEN I'D RECOMMEND THIS IS FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT YOU START ATTENDING CITY COUNCILS AND VOICING YOUR OPINION HERE, BECAUSE IF YOU ATTEND CITY COUNCILS, YOU'RE ADDRESSING THE INDIVIDUALS THAT CAN DIRECT STAFF, WHICH WOULD BE THIS INDIVIDUAL RIGHT HERE.

THEY CAN DIRECT HIM TO TAKE IMMEDIATE ACTION RIGHT NOW BECAUSE YOU'VE PRESENTED IT TO THEM.

THEY'LL SEE IT. WE DON'T HAVE TO.

YOU WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE TO WAIT ONE MORE MONTH.

YOU COULD GET IT RIGHT TO THEM.

THEY COULD MAKE THE DECISION.

THEY'D ASK THE CITY ENGINEER, SAY, PROCEED WITH YOUR FINDINGS.

AND THAT WOULD BE THAT, RIGHT.

I'D ALSO RECOMMEND, IF YOU'RE ADDRESSING THE CITY COUNCIL, THAT YOU POSSIBLY.

REQUEST. IF YOU HAVE TO GET YOUR PERCENTAGE OF OF SIGNATURES THAT IT COULD BE RESIDENTS AND NOT HOMEOWNERS, THEY COULD MAKE THAT THEY COULD REQUEST THAT THAT POLICY CHANGE BE OKAY, WE'RE REQUESTING THAT AND THEN IT WOULD BE READY TO GO.

RIGHT. I'D ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THE FACT THAT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING WILL BE MAY 1ST INSTEAD OF HAVING TO WAIT TILL THURSDAY.

SO IF YOU'RE PLANNING ON A REGULAR ROUTINE AND YOU WANTED TO TAKE THAT APPROACH, I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT IT'S MAY 1ST THIS TIME SO YOU DON'T MISS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT YOUR CASE TO YOUR CITY COUNCIL.

THANK YOU. HINT DID ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK? SIR, THANK YOU FOR BEING SO PATIENT.

HERE SHE COMES. SHE'S COMING.

COME ON. YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.

MY NAME IS WILLETTE PIERRE-NOEL.

I LIVE AT 618 BRICK STREET.

AS YOU CAN SEE, I JUST GOT OFF WORK.

THIS IS MY FIRST TIME BEING IN A MEETING LIKE THIS.

I WOULDN'T COME IF.

IF I DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS A SERIOUS ISSUE.

FROM WHAT I HEARD, IT SEEMS LIKE THE DATA HAVE BEEN COLLECTED ALREADY.

AND THE ONLY REASON WHY I'M STANDING TO SPEAK, IF THERE'S A WAY WE CAN HAVE THAT WAVE THE SIGNATURES, BECAUSE I MOVED TO BRICK ABOUT FIVE MONTHS AGO. SO ONE REGRET I DO HAVE IF I KNEW THE TRAFFIC WAS THE WAY IT IS, I WOULDN'T HAVE BUILT A HOUSE BECAUSE MY DAUGHTER, SHE'S NEVER BEEN OUTSIDE. I DON'T HAVE THE ELOQUENCE TO MAKE IT SOUND GOOD.

THE REASON WHY WE SHOULD CHANGE WHAT'S GOING ON ON THE STREET, IT'S ACTUALLY REALLY, REALLY BAD.

WHEN I SAY BAD, IT'S YOU SAID 40MPH.

WE LIVE THERE.

I CAN GUARANTEE YOU IT'S MORE THAN 50 TO 60 MILES AN HOUR TO THE POINT WHERE I'VE NEVER SEEN KIDS BEING OUTSIDE.

AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD TAKE SERIOUSLY ABOUT TAKING PEOPLE'S TIME TO COME IN HERE.

IF YOU GUYS NEEDED THE SIGNATURE, THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN SET A LONG TIME AGO.

THAT'S MORE TIME IT'S GOING TO TAKE FOR THE WHOLE PROCESS TO BE DONE.

AND I'M ONLY SPEAKING ALSO BECAUSE IT'S ON RECORD.

I WANT IT TO BE KNOWN THAT IT'S A VERY, VERY SERIOUS ISSUE.

I DON'T THINK STOP SIGNS WOULD CUT IT.

I AM NOT THE PERSON THAT WOULD EVALUATE WHAT'S NEEDED TO BE DONE THERE, BUT IT'S SERIOUSLY BAD ON BRICK.

IF I KNEW, I WOULDN'T HAVE BOUGHT THE HOUSE THERE AT ALL.

SO I WOULD HOPE MAYBE YOU GUYS CAN GET TOGETHER AND SEE HOW WE CAN AVOID GETTING THOSE SIGNATURES BECAUSE THE BREAKWALL IS ACTUALLY REALLY, REALLY LONG AS WELL.

SO WHEN YOU SAY 85% OF SIGNATURES, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY HOMES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN LOCATE THE HOMEOWNERS AS WELL.

SO SINCE THE DATA HAVE BEEN COLLECTED AND IT'S BEEN SET ON RECORD THAT IN THE PAST PEOPLE HAVE BEEN COMPLAINED ABOUT IT.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHY WE NEED TO KEEP SAYING WHY WE NEED IT.

AND THE PAST HAS BEEN THE SAME ISSUES AND I'M SURE PEOPLE HAVE CAME THERE AND AND NEW RESIDENTS HAS MOVED THERE AS WELL.

AND WE'RE STATING THE SAME ISSUE OVER AND OVER, OVER AGAIN.

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU GUYS, BUT I DON'T THINK I'LL BE COMING BACK HERE.

I WOULD RATHER YOU GUYS GET TOGETHER AND SAY, HEY, THERE'S AN ISSUE IN THE COMMUNITY.

LET'S GET IT DONE.

LET'S FIX IT BEFORE SOMEONE THERE'S A FATALITY.

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SO MY DAUGHTER, SHE HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO PLAY OUTSIDE AS WELL AS OTHER KIDS AS WELL.

AND I WANT TO COMMEND YOU, MAN, FOR DOING THAT, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN TELLING MY WIFE, HOW CAN WE GET TOGETHER TO HAVE A MEETING? BUT BRICK IS SO LONG AND ME WALKING IN, HEARING THAT 85% HAS TO GIVE SIGNATURES, THE TIME HAS BEEN PROLONG IT EVEN MORE FOR SOMETHING THAT IS TO BE DONE RIGHT AWAY. AND I THANK YOU.

I SEE YOU VERY PROACTIVELY SPEAKING ON OUR BEHALF, SAYING IT NEEDS TO BE DONE EXPEDITIOUSLY.

IT IS A SERIOUS ISSUE.

IT IS REALLY, REALLY BAD.

ON BRICK OK 40 MILES.

THAT'S A MODERATE SPEED FOR THE PROBLEM THAT'S THERE.

IT'S MORE LIKE 50, 60 MILES.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I DON'T HAVE TO STAND UP AND SPEAK.

BUT ALSO, IT'S NOT SAFE FOR ANYBODY TO BE KNOCKING ON EVERYBODY'S DOORS NOWADAYS, AND IT'S UNNECESSARY.

YEAH. WHEN I WAS PASSING OUT FLIERS.

I CAN'T DO THAT AGAIN.

I'M NOT DOING IT AGAIN.

I AGREE. EVERYONE ALSO THOUGHT I WAS SELLING SOMETHING, SO I'M.

UNDERSTOOD, MADAM CHAIR.

OH, UM, JUST WANTED TO, I GUESS JUST TO KIND OF REITERATE WHAT MR. BATTEN SAID, I KNOW THAT IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE HARD, AND, YOU KNOW, LET ME KNOW IF I'M STEPPING OUT OF TURN, BUT IF ANYBODY LIKE YOU, SIR, KIND OF TOOK THE LEAD TO EVEN GO AHEAD AND SEND THAT EMAIL, AS MR. BATTEN SAID, YOUR BEST BET OUTSIDE OF US DOING OUR ADVISORY RESPONSIBILITY IS TO SHOW UP ON MAY 1ST TO SPEAK DIRECTLY TO COUNCIL.

THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY AND THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO WAIVE THAT PETITION REQUIREMENT AND GET THE JOB DONE RIGHT THEN AND THERE.

SO THAT IS MY ADVICE TO YOU ALL, THAT THIS WAS THE.

OH, NO, WE'RE ADVISORY BOARD.

NO, IT'S OKAY.

WE'RE HERE TO HELP YOU GUYS OUT MAY 1ST.

WHAT TIME? SEVEN, 6:00.

THEY CHANGED IT. IS IT GOING TO BE THIS? YOU GET A CHANCE TO SPEAK, OKAY.

OH, YES, YES. YEAH.

WHEN YOU COME TO A CITY COUNCIL MEETING, THEY'LL HAVE SIGN UP SHEETS IN THE BACK AND YOU JUST FILL IT OUT AND TURN IT IN AND THEY'LL CALL YOU UP.

JUST JUST TO HIGHLIGHT AGAIN, IF YOU SHOW UP TO MAY 1ST THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING AT 6:00, YOU HAVE TO SIGN IT AS A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

AND IT'S LIKE THE THIRD ITEM.

SO YOUR ITEM OF BRICK WILL WILL NOT BE AGENDIZED.

SO YOU'LL SPEAK ON PUBLIC COMMENTS AND YOU RAISE THE COUNCIL'S AWARENESS DURING PUBLIC COMMENTS.

AND THEN BUT THE ISSUE WILL BE BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN AGENDIZED ACTION THEY CANNOT TAKE ACTION ON, IT HAS TO BE ON THE AGENDA ONLY HERE SO THEY CAN REQUEST THEY CAN PUT ON THE AGENDA. YES.

UM, THE OTHER THING I WOULD JUST SAY IS WHEN YOU COME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, THAT IS LIKE ITEM NUMBER THREE, IT'S THE BEGINNING OF THE AGENDA.

SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIT THROUGH THE WHOLE MEETING, THE WHOLE MEETING, AND MAKE SURE THAT WHEN YOU COME, YOU ACTUALLY SIGN THE SLIP OF PAPER BECAUSE YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SPEAK. IT'S NOT LIKE HERE WHERE YOU KIND OF JUST COME UP.

YEAH, THEY'RE THEY'RE MUCH MORE STRICT AT THAT MEETING.

UM, DID WE HAVE ANY OTHER BEFORE WE MOVE TO FRANK ANY, ANY DISCUSSION FROM THE COMMENTS BY THE BOARD? ONE JUST BECAUSE ALSO HEARING THE SCHOOL BUSSES ARE SPEEDING THROUGH AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE CITY COUNCIL, BUT I'M HOPING THAT YOU ALL ARE ALSO REACHING OUT TO OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO TO A MEETING, BUT JUST MAKING SURE THAT YOU'RE ALERTING THEM AND LETTING THEM KNOW.

AND SPECIFICALLY, IF YOU CAN GET THE BUS NUMBERS THAT ARE DOING SO, YOU CAN ACTUALLY CALL AND SAY SPECIFICALLY THIS BUS NUMBER IS THE ONE THAT IS SPEEDING DOWN THE ROAD AND THAT WILL LET THEM KNOW WHO THE DRIVERS ARE THAT ARE ACTUALLY DOING IT AS WELL.

AND THEN FOR ME, I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING OUT.

WE APPRECIATE YOU ALL COMING OUT.

COME TO OUR MEETINGS, COME TO COUNCIL MEETINGS, COME TO OTHER BOARD MEETINGS.

DEFINITELY CONTINUE TO BE ACTIVE IN OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE JUST LIKE YOU ALL ARE EXPERIENCING SOMETHING, THERE'S OTHER HOME OWNERS ON OTHER STREETS WHO MAY NEED THAT ENCOURAGEMENT TO COME OUT AND KIND OF GET THEIR BALL ROLLING FOR SAFETY AS WELL.

SO THANK YOU ALL. UM, FRANK, I JUST WANTED TO ASK, WHAT IS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S ENFORCEMENT ROLE IN ALL OF THIS? BECAUSE IT SEEMS I MEAN, PEOPLE THEY'VE BEEN THEY'VE BEEN ON THE SAME EMAILS AND THEY'RE DOING THE BEST THEY CAN TO KEEP AN OFFICERS UP.

BUT AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, YOU KNOW, THE TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT, THEY'RE VERY LIMITED.

THEY ONLY HAVE A SHORT NUMBER OF PATROL OFFICERS WHEN THEY CAN AND THEY'RE AVAILABLE, THEY'LL BE OUT MONITORING, YOU KNOW, BRICKELL OR WHEREVER.

AS THEY MENTIONED. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T HAVE AN OFFICER PARKED THERE ALL DAY LONG.

UH, A LOT OF THIS STUFF, AS I MENTIONED, HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A LONG TIME.

THEY'RE AWARE OF IT, BUT THEY JUST CAN'T.

THEY DON'T HAVE THE MANPOWER RESOURCES.

YEAH. AND A LOT OF THIS IS MORE IN TERMS OF BEHAVIOR AND WITH TRAFFIC CALMING AND NOT JUST BEHAVIOR, YOU GOT TO START LIKE TRAFFIC CALMING.

YOU HAVE TO START DOING SOMETHING TO THE ROADWAY.

SO WHETHER YOU START OFF WITH, YOU KNOW, THE YARD SIGNS ALL THE WAY STOPS OTHER DEVICES, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE WHAT CHANGES THE DRIVERS BEHAVIOR BECAUSE THEY START SEEING THE CHANGE IN THE ROADWAY AND EVENTUALLY YOU RESTRICT THAT ROADWAY TO A POINT WHERE THEY WANT TO DRIVE TO THE POINT WHERE THEY CAN'T DRIVE THAT ROAD ANYMORE.

OKAY. OKAY. POLICE ARE OUT THERE.

I UNDERSTAND. AS SOON AS THE POLICE, PLEASE, BOOM, BOOM, I'D BE OUT OF MY YARD.

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YOU BLOW ME UP OUT OF THE YARD.

OKAY, GUYS, WE CAN'T SHOUT OUT FROM THE AUDIENCE.

HE'S SPEAKING. OKAY.

YEAH. ELSE. I THINK A COUPLE OF THINGS, YOU KNOW.

NUMBER ONE, THERE'S AN ADOPTED POLICY, SO I CAN'T DIVERT FROM THAT.

IT REQUIRES A PETITION THAT WAS WRITTEN IN THE POLICY AND REASON.

I UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S THERE IS BECAUSE I THINK THE COUNCIL IN EVERY POLICY I'VE WRITTEN, HAS THAT TYPE OF A PETITION IS TO HAVE OWNERSHIP FROM THE COMMUNITY.

AND AGAIN, AS MUCH AS YOU MAY WANT TO SAY YOU 100% SUPPORT IT, YOU'LL BE SURPRISED AS MANY AS I'VE DONE THESE TRAFFIC CALMING NOT IN THIS CITY.

MANY OTHER CITIES, WEST MELBOURNE, SEBASTIAN UP BY LADY LAKE.

IT'S AMAZING HOW YOU GET FEEL LIKE EVERYBODY'S SUPPORTIVE OF IT AND THEN YOU TAKE IT TO COUNCIL.

THEN THE OTHER SIDE SHOWS UP AND SAYS, WHO MADE THIS A DECISION? WHERE WAS THE PETITION? WHERE WAS MY OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK? I'M JUST SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF PAST HISTORY OF THESE TRAFFIC COMMENTS, BECAUSE WHEN YOU START INSTALLING THESE DEVICES, YOU'LL BE SURPRISED, ESPECIALLY SPEED HUMPS OR ANY TYPES OF MAJOR CONSTRUCTION TO DIVERT TRAFFIC.

PEOPLE COME OUT, THE NAYSAYERS REALLY COME OUT, AND THEN YOU HAVE A WHOLE DIFFERENT SIDE OF THE COIN.

SO THAT'S WHY THE COUNCIL IS GOING TO WANT TO SEE OWNERSHIP, GOING TO WANT TO SEE SUPPORT FROM THE COMMUNITY, GOING TO WANT TO HAVE YOU GUYS AT LEAST JUST LIKE YOU SHOWED UP HERE.

DO IT ONE MORE TIME WITH THE PETITION.

THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THEY WILL KNOW.

OKAY. AND AS MUCH AS I SAY, I TRY TO ACCELERATE GETTING THIS TO THIS BOARD AS FAST AS I COULD.

AND YOU'RE RIGHT, THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A LONG TIME.

BUT AGAIN, THIS HAS BEEN MADE TO MY AWARENESS JUST RECENTLY.

LIKE I SAY, UNTIL I FOUND OUT I TOOK ACTION ON IT AND WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.

BUT IT MAY TAKE TIME.

BUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD, LIKE I SAY, ONCE COUNCIL APPROVES IT, I COULD HAVE THEM INSTALLED WITHIN A DAY OR SO.

BUT IT'S GOT TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS.

THAT'S THE ONLY FAIR BECAUSE THAT'S THE POLICY THAT'S IN PLACE TODAY.

WE CANNOT CHANGE THAT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT BEING RIGHT.

WE HAVE A POLICY IN PLACE AND THIS BOARD CANNOT CHANGE THAT.

ONLY THE CITY COUNCIL CAN.

SO IN ADDITION TO THE FOUR WAY STOP SIGN, WHAT ABOUT LIKE NO THROUGH TRAFFIC SIGNS OR MAJORITY? THIS IS ALL NOW TIED TO TRAFFIC CALMING.

SO IF YOU TRY TO SAY THIS IS NOW PART OF THE STUDY.

SO ANYTHING BEYOND THAT, I WOULDN'T BE BE UPFRONT TO THE COUNCIL BY SAYING IT'S GOT TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

OKAY. WHAT I'M SAYING, IF WE TRY TO WELL, LET'S TRY TO DO SOMETHING.

NO, WE WERE GOING THROUGH A PROCESS.

I THINK IT'S FAIR TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS COMPLETELY YET.

NO, NO, NO. I'M NOT TRYING TO DEVIATE FROM THE PROCESS.

I'M ASKING IN ADDITION TO THE STOP SIGN MEASURE, WOULD SOMETHING LIKE A NO THROUGH TRAFFIC SIGN, WOULD THAT BE LIKE SOMETHING RECOGNIZED IN MCD AS A TRAFFIC? THE ISSUE ON NO THROUGH TRAFFIC SIGNS.

I MEAN, LIKE NO OUTLETS.

THIS IS NOT THERE IS AN OUTLET SO THAT'S FALSE AND BE CAUTIOUS WHEN YOU GUYS TALKED ABOUT SPEED SURVEYS AND I WANT TO REDUCE MY SPEED TO 20MPH.

FLORIDA STATUTE SAYS IF YOU HAVE AN ENGINEERING SPEED STUDY DONE, WHICH I DID, BUT IT'S A DRAFT, I'M GOING TO SAY IT ON RECORD THAT I DID IS A DRAFT.

IF YOU DO AN ENGINEERING SPEED STUDY AND I SEAL IT, WHICH I DID NOT SEAL, THAT IS THE LAW UNDER THE STATE STATUTE THAT SAYS YOU GOT TO POST YOUR SPEED LIMIT AND FORCE IT BY REMEMBER WHAT I SAID? WHAT I GOT 40MPH BY STATE STATUTE.

THAT'S THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT THAT'S UNDER FLORIDA STATUTE.

SO BE CAUTIOUS. THAT'S WHY I DON'T WHEN I DO SPEED STUDY, I SAY IT'S DRAFT BECAUSE THERE'S OTHER OTHER FACTORS.

BUT WHEN YOU DO A SPEED STUDY, AN OFFICIAL ONE AND I SEAL IT, THAT'S THE ONE THE JUDGE WANTS TO SEE.

ANYTHING ELSE YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT MACHINE COUNTS.

YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE IT. HE WANTS TO SEE AN ENGINEERING SPEED STUDY SIGN AND SEE ABOVE PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS THAT SHOWS THE 85 PERCENTILE.

THAT 85 PERCENTILE IS WHAT IS ENFORCEABLE BY STATE STATUTE, NOT CITY ORDINANCE.

STATE STATUTE. BE CAUTIOUS ABOUT THAT.

THAT'S WHY I GO TO A LOT OF THESE MEETINGS.

I SAY DON'T DON'T WANT TO SHOW THAT AROUND BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT HAPPENS.

PEOPLE HAVE A TENDENCY TO DRIVE FASTER.

WHAT I'M SAYING. SO THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO TRY TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO DRIVE SLOWER.

WHAT DO WE DO? WE WANT TO DO SOME SORT OF TRAFFIC CALMING TO DRIVE, HOPEFULLY REDUCE THAT SPEED.

BUT MAJORITY OF PEOPLE TEND TO DRIVE FASTER, ESPECIALLY WITH NEWER CARS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE ROAD PROGRAM, ESPECIALLY AS WE'RE PAVING BRAND NEW STREETS HAVE NICE SMOOTH SURFACE.

YOU DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO ACCELERATE? YEAH, THEY ARE, AND WE ALL KNOW THAT.

AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO DO THINGS THAT HELP MAYBE GET AHEAD OF IT, BUT BE CAUTIOUS WHEN WE TRY TO LOWER SPEED LIMITS.

THE FLORIDA STATUTE, WHICH IS 30MPH, WHICH IS WHICH IS SOUND FOR ALL COMMUNITIES, IS WHAT THEY HOLD TO 30MPH.

TRY TO GET IT BELOW THAT. IT'S VERY DIFFICULT.

VERY DIFFICULT. THEY'RE THEY'RE ELIGIBLE FOR THE SPEED CUSHIONS, BUT NOT THE SPEED HUMPS.

AGAIN, THE SPEED CUSHIONS WOULD BE SOMETHING.

I NEED TO TALK TO THE TO THE POLICE CHIEF.

SORRY. THE FIRE CHIEF. CHIEF HOGUE.

AGAIN, IT'S HER REQUEST AND ME SAYING IT'S HER ISSUE REGARDING PRIMARY RESPONSE IS NOT POLICE.

POLICE CAN GET AROUND THOSE. IT'S A FIRE ENGINE.

UNDERSTOOD. YES.

AND SO IT'S GOT TO BE I NEED HER COMMITMENT THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THESE, CHIEF HOGUE? BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO IMPACT A FIRST RESPONDER BEING LIKE A PARAMEDIC UNIT OR A FIRE ENGINE.

CORRECT. UNDERSTOOD, TOM? YEAH. FRANK HOW MUCH OF THIS PROBLEM COULD BE ATTRIBUTED TO THE SCHOOL? I MEAN, IS IT IS A MAJORITY OF THE PROBLEM HAPPENING AS SCHOOLS?

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NO, IT'S ACROSS THE BOARD.

I'VE BEEN OUT THERE ENOUGH TIMES.

IT'S EVERYBODY. IT'S CONTRACTORS, IT'S RESIDENTS.

IT'S CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC.

IT'S EVERYBODY. SO DON'T POINT FINGERS.

IT'S EVERYBODY.

THE REASON. HOLD ON.

HE'S SPEAKING. OKAY, HOLD ON.

THE REASON I ASK IS RIGHT NOW THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF APPROVING A PUD OR PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.

WHERE DID JOE DADDY'S GOLF COURSE USED TO BE? AND PART OF THAT IS INCREASING THE PARENT LOOP OR THE TURN LANE FOR THE PARENT LOOP INTO THERE.

AND I JUST DIDN'T KNOW AS PART OF THIS PROCESS THAT THESE TWO KIND OF THINGS KIND OF MESH AND THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME I DON'T THINK SO ADDITIONAL I THINK I THINK THE MAJORITY OF THE TRAFFIC HERE IS STILL CUT THROUGH.

I THINK THE BUSSES ARE CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC AND BRICK HAS BEEN KNOWN AS A GOOD PARALLEL STREET TO JUPITER, AND JUPITER GETS MORE CROWDED AND IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO GET MORE CROWDED AND THEY'RE GOING TO USE THESE SECONDARY, I HATE TO SAY, COLLECTOR ROADS THAT ARE PARALLEL TO JUPITER AS A CUT THROUGH.

BRICK IS A STRAIGHT SHOT THROUGH BETWEEN EMERSON AND ELDER.

IT'S A STRAIGHT SHOT THROUGH.

AND I MENTIONED THAT SITTING OUT THERE DOING MY SPEED SURVEY, I SAW I SAW A MAJORITY OF 50% OF THE CARS ARE CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC.

THEY DIDN'T STOP AT THE HOMES.

YEAH. IF I COULD SAY SOMETHING.

MERKLE TREE ACTUALLY GOES ALL THE WAY UP TO BACKPACK STREET BECAUSE BRICKELL STREET, ONCE YOU CROSS OVER EMERSON, YOU JUST KEEP TAKING BRICKELL STREET.

IT JUST MAKES THAT TURN AND CROSSES OVER SANFILIPPO FOUNDATION, WHICH CROSSES RIGHT OVER SANFILIPPO AND IS A STRAIGHT SHOT TO BABCOCK STREET. SO THAT'S HOW THEY DO IT.

THEY JUST LOOP AND THEY BYPASS EVERYTHING ON MALABAR ROAD.

THEY BYPASS EVERYTHING ON JUPITER.

THAT'S WHY THEY DO IT.

YOU HAVE TO CLOSE, EMERSON.

YOU'VE GOT TO CLOSE THAT. THEN THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GO THERE.

DO YOU WANT TO COME BACK UP? IT WAS JUST A QUESTION FOR THEM.

YEAH, THAT'S FINE. JUST SO WE CAN GET YOU ON THE MIC SO THAT SHE HAS IT ON THE RECORD, BECAUSE WE CAN'T.

WHEN YOU'RE TALKING FROM THE AUDIENCE, SHE'S NOT CAPTURING THAT FOR THE MINUTES.

JUST HAD A QUESTION. WHERE WAS IT THAT YOU WERE TRACKING THE SPEEDS WHEN YOU PHYSICALLY WENT OUT THERE RIGHT NEXT TO YOUR HOUSE? RIGHT NEXT TO MY HOUSE. OKAY, COOL.

SO NOW WHERE MY HOUSE IS, THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE ACTUALLY GAINING SPEED, WHERE YOU PUT THAT TRACKER.

AS SOON AS YOU TURN, YOU'RE GOING 15 MILES AN HOUR.

SO YOU HAVE TO GIVE IT TIME FOR A CAR TO ACCELERATE.

AND THEN THAT'S WHEN YOU GET TO THE MAIN, THE CENTER OF THE STREET.

AND WHERE YOUR HOUSE WAS WAS PRETTY MUCH A GOOD STRAIGHT SHOT.

YEAH, THAT'S. THAT'S WHY I DID THE HANDHELD.

ALL RIGHT. SO, YEAH, I HAVE PROPERTY THERE.

SO I HAVE BUDDIES THAT WORK FOR PALM BAY PD AND I USED TO TELL THEM, HEY, PARK THERE.

BUT I GET IT THIS NO ONE WANTS TO WORK NOWADAYS.

AND THE SHORTHANDED, IF THERE'S A CALL THAT COMES, THEY HAVE TO LEAVE.

UNDERSTANDABLE. THEY CAN'T SIT THERE ALL DAY.

BUT YEAH, IF WE CAN IF YOU HAVE TO DO THAT MEASURE AGAIN TOO.

I KNOW YOU WERE SAYING IT HAD TO BE AT 40 TO 12 MILES AN HOUR OVER YOUR YOUR CALCULATIONS WERE AT AVERAGE AT AT A 40.5.

RIGHT. ACTUALLY, THE MACHINE COUNT WAS OUT THERE FOR A WHOLE WEEK, 24 HOURS A DAY.

AND THE AVERAGE SPEED IT CAME OUT 80 WAS 41.2.

SO IT ALMOST MIRRORS THE HANDHELD.

SO I GUARANTEE IF I LOOK THROUGH IT, THERE'S GOING TO BE A FEW 70.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THERE'S PROBABLY SOME THAT ARE GOING 20.

SO IT AVERAGES OUT.

YOU CAN'T SAY THAT MAJORITY BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO, YOU KNOW, FEEL, OKAY, THAT GUY IS GOING 50 MILES WITHOUT A RADAR GUN.

THERE'S NO WAY. AND I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A LONG TIME WITHOUT THAT HANDHELD RADAR GUN.

YOU'D BE SURPRISED THAT THAT CAR IS GOING AND YOU HIT AND IT'S LIKE, OH, IT'S ONLY GOING 25MPH.

YEAH. WITHOUT A HAND. THERE'S THE SOUND OF THE TIRES, THE SOUND OF THE ENGINE AND THE RADAR GUN IS VERY HARD TO DETERMINE THE SPEED OF A VEHICLE.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, WITH THE SPEED COUNTER, I'M ASSUMING THAT SHOWS TIMES.

DID WE SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH OUR POLICE SO THAT THEY HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF.

YEAH, IT'S AVERAGING OUT AT 40, BUT SOMETIMES IT'S 20.

BUT AT THESE PEAK TIMES IT'S 70.

YEAH. SHARED WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, I SHARED WITH THE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS.

OKAY. AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW ON THE ACCIDENTS TOO, YOU KNOW, I ONLY PULL THE ACCIDENT FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH THERE COULD HAVE BEEN ACCIDENTS, THERE PROBABLY ARE. WE JUST DON'T HAVE THEM YET.

THEY'RE PROBABLY STILL IN THE PROCESS.

KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? IN THE RECORDS, WE PULL THE INFORMATION RIGHT OFF THE STATES.

THEY CALL IT SIG FOUR, WHICH IS WHERE THE POLICE OFFICERS SUBMIT THE DATA.

SO WE GET THE DATA RIGHT OFF OF THEIRS.

BUT JUST THEY'RE ONLY DONE ANNUALLY.

SO IF THERE'S AN ACCIDENT THAT OCCURRED MAYBE A FEW MONTHS AGO, SIX AND MAY NOT HAVE BEEN RECORDED YET, IF THERE'S A LOT OF ACCIDENTS THAT ARE NOT RECORDED, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE PUT ON THAT SYSTEM. AND THERE'S MANY ACCIDENTS THAT HAPPEN THAT ARE NOT RECORDED.

IT MEANS YOU DIDN'T CALL THE POLICE OFFICER, YOU DIDN'T WRITE A REPORT, DIDN'T GO INTO THE SYSTEM, AND THEY'RE SAYING THEY'VE GOT HIT AND RUNS HAPPENING.

SO THOSE ARE NOT GOING TO BE IN THE SYSTEM.

I SAW BUSTED GLASS AND I SAW THE YOU KNOW, THERE'S PROOF THERE'S INCIDENTS.

BUT WITHOUT THAT REPORTED DOCUMENT, I CAN'T ACTUALLY SAY THERE'S BEEN THAT MANY INSTANCES I HAVE ON RECORD SEVEN BETWEEN THOSE THREE YEARS.

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THAT'S FACTUAL. THAT'S STILL HIGH ROADWAY DATA ALREADY.

YEAH. AND IT'S IT'S PRETTY EMPIRICAL THAT YOU HAVE IT.

I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS, MADAM.

MADAM CHAIR, ON MY FIRST QUESTION WAS BECAUSE YOU'RE RECEIVING THIS INPUT AND JUST A PROCEDURAL PROCEDURAL QUESTION WHETHER IS IT POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO MOVE THAT SPEED CHECKER A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN AS JUST TO COLLECT ADDITIONAL DATA? I DON'T BELIEVE I SAID, SINCE IT MIRRORED THE HANDHELD RADAR GUN AND I WAS AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO CHANGE.

SO THAT WAS THE FIRST QUESTION.

SECOND QUESTION, AND THIS IS.

DO WE HAVE ANY UPCOMING PLANS OR FUTURE PLANNING TO EXPAND JUPITER? BECAUSE I KNOW THAT JUPITER IS JUST BEING A TWO WAY STREET.

IT'S POTENTIALLY THE REASON WHY THEY USE THAT THROUGH TO GET TO THE OTHER SIDE IN THE BOOKS RIGHT NOW TO WIDEN OR EXPAND JUPITER.

SO AT THIS POINT, WHAT DO YOU NEED? BECAUSE I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE RESIDENTS WAS TO SPEAK AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

BUT DO YOU NEED SOME TYPE OF ACTION FORMALLY FROM THE DIRECTION I NEED IS TO FOLLOW THE POLICY.

I NEED TWO THINGS.

I NEED A PETITION FROM THE RESIDENTS AND I THINK I NEED PROBABLY AN ENDORSEMENT BY THE BOARD TO MOVE FORWARD.

OKAY. SO. SO I'M A MOTION TO CONTINUE WITH THE PROCEDURE.

YEAH. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND PUT A MOTION ON THE TABLE TO CONTINUE THE PROCEDURE OR RECOMMEND TO COUNCIL THAT THE TRAFFIC CALMING PROCEDURES ARE.

WE HAVE A SECOND ON THAT.

SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED I AND THAT MOTION PASSES.

THANK YOU GUYS ALL FOR COMING OUT.

GENTLEMAN IN THE BLUE. IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE SPARE TIME, PLEASE CONSIDER JOINING AN ADVISORY BOARD.

WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOU BECAUSE YOU DID A GREAT JOB AND I APPRECIATE YOU ORGANIZING THIS.

LIKE WE SAID, PLEASE COME TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING BECAUSE WHEN PEOPLE COME OUT, THAT'S WHEN YOUR VOICES ARE HEARD.

SO YOU GUYS ARE DOING A GREAT JOB AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT TO OUR ATTENTION.

THANK YOU. BEFORE, FRANK.

YES. AND YOU STILL NEED THE PETITION, BUT FRANK.

YES. CAN HELP YOU WITH THAT.

OKAY. AND THEN IF YOU CAN, WE'RE GOING TO HOLD ON FOR ONE SECOND.

OKAY, WE HAVE ONE MORE AGENDA ITEM FOR US.

SO FOLKS, WE'RE STILL HAVING A MEETING, FOLKS.

WE'RE STILL HAVING A MEETING.

WE HAVE TO CONTINUE THE MEETING.

SO IF YOU CAN. THANK YOU.

SORRY. THAT'S OKAY.

THANK YOU.

OKAY. SO OUR NEXT ITEM IS AGENDA REQUEST FOR FUTURE MEETINGS.

SO I THINK WE'RE GOING TO REQUEST IF YOU ALL ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TALKING, IF YOU CAN STEP OUTSIDE, PLEASE.

WE STILL HAVE A MEETING TO CONTINUE.

THANK YOU. VOICE.

YEAH, IT DEFINITELY IS.

IT'S MY TEACHER VOICE, TOO. GET OUT.

NO, YOU'RE. NO, YOU'RE GOOD.

OKAY, SO AGENDA REQUESTS, I THINK WE'RE DISCUSSING REVIEWING THE POLICY.

SO THE TRAFFIC CALMING POLICY.

SO FOR ME, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE ACTUAL TRAFFIC CALMING POLICY IN WRITING AND MAYBE SOME CITY OF PALM BAY'S TRAFFIC CALMING POLICY.

AND THEN IF WE COULD GET SOME COMPARISONS BECAUSE LIKE I MENTIONED, MELBOURNE'S POLICY, I DON'T KNOW THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD THERE'S ANY OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAVE.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING FOR COMPARISON, BECAUSE IF YOU ALL COULD CLOSE THE DOOR, PLEASE.

THANK YOU.

YOU REPEAT. COULD YOU REPEAT THAT AGAIN? SORRY. IF WE COULD GET POLICIES FROM NEIGHBORING CITIES, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AND SEE WHAT THEY'RE DOING BECAUSE LIKE I MENTIONED, MELBOURNE'S POLICY.

YOU KNOW, WE TAKE A RESIDENT COMPLAINT IF WE FEEL IT'S WARRANTED, WE DO THE TRAFFIC CALMING.

IT DOES NOT REQUIRE CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL, SO THAT COULD JUST BE A MELBOURNE THING.

I'M CURIOUS IF WHAT IS THE CITY OF COCOA? I GUESS I DO KNOW SINCE I WORK FOR THE CITY OF WEST MELBOURNE, I WROTE THEIR TRAFFIC CALMING POLICY.

I HAVE THAT ONE, YES.

SO I COULD BRING THAT EASY IF WE COULD JUST JUST A HANDFUL OF WHAT THE NEIGHBORING MUNICIPALITIES OR MAYBE WHAT THE COUNTY IS DOING, JUST TO GIVE US AN IDEA OF WHAT JUST TO TRY AND BE A LITTLE CONSISTENT.

YEAH, JUST LET YOU KNOW OUR OUR TRAFFIC CALMING POLICY IS NOT LIKE WEST MELBOURNE BECAUSE WEST MELBOURNE WAS DONE AS A AS A TRUE ENGINEERING ANALYSIS WITH THE TRAFFIC CALMING THE CITY OF PALM BAY IS.

A ONE PAGER. YEAH.

SO I'M PRETTY SURE THE MELBOURNE POLICY IS A LITTLE MORE EXTENSIVE THAN THAT.

IF I'M REMEMBERING THE LAST TIME THAT MY FRIENDS IS LIKE LIKE 20 PAGES.

YEAH, OURS IS PRETTY EXTENSIVE AND IT GOES THROUGH THE LEVELS OF REVIEW AND THE LEVELS OF AND SO I'LL GET, I'LL GET COPIES AND THEN I'LL HAVE

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OUR, OUR CURRENT POLICY AND I'LL PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE BOARD TO REVIEW AND DISCUSS.

AND THEN THE OTHER THING I KNOW WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOMEOWNER VERSUS PROPERTY OWNER VERSUS RESIDENT.

I'M NOT 100% ON BOARD WITH RESIDENT, SO I WOULD KIND OF LIKE JUST FOR DISCUSSION OR WHEN WE TALK ABOUT IT IN COMPARISON FOR OTHER THINGS, ZONING CHANGES, LAND USE, OR I'M ASSUMING THOSE ARE PROPERTY OWNER.

AND SO I'M A LITTLE HESITANT WHEN YOU'RE SAYING RESIDENT FOR SOMEBODY THAT'S A RENTER TO BE MAKING A DECISION ON BEHALF OF A PROPERTY OWNER.

SO I UNDERSTAND THE INPUT FROM THE PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY LIVE THERE.

I COMPLETELY GET THAT.

BUT I THINK IF IN EVERY OTHER ASPECT OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROPERTY OWNER, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSISTENT AS WELL.

SO IF WE THAT'S AGAIN, THE BOARD'S CALL.

JUST AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING HERE ABOUT TRAFFIC ISSUES.

SO IT'S REALLY DEALING WITH THE RESIDENTS.

GOT TO BE FAIR ABOUT THAT.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING OWNERSHIP OF THE PROPERTY, BUT THE ISSUE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS IMPACTS TO RESIDENTS WHO LIVE ON THAT STREET.

SO THOSE ARE APPLES AND ORANGES.

AND I HATE TO SAY IT, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? I'M GOING TO GO WITH THE ORANGE OF THE RESIDENTS BECAUSE MY JOB AS THE CITY ENGINEER AND TRAFFIC ENGINEER IS TO HELP IMPROVE AND MAKE THE ROADS SAFER.

AND SO IF THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THAT STREET SEE AN ISSUE, THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THAT STREET ARE REQUESTING THAT ISSUE.

WE AS THE EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY, NEED TO TAKE ACTION ON THE RESIDENTS TO SEE THE HOMEOWNERS.

I UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

BUT I HAVE TO AGREE TO DISAGREE BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE AS A PROPERTY OWNER, NO OFFENSE TO THE RENTER, BUT I FEEL LIKE THE PERSON THAT OWNS THAT PROPERTY HAS A LITTLE BIT MORE SAY THAN THE RENTER. AND IF I WAS RENTING MY PROPERTY AND FOUND OUT THAT MY RENTER SIGNED A PETITION TO MAKE A CHANGE TO THE STREET THAT I OWN, I OWN. BUT YOU DON'T OWN THE STREET.

I OWN THE I OWN THE HOME.

YOU OWN THE HOME ONLY. YEAH. SHE PAYS THE TAXES.

I'M THE TAXPAYER.

SO I GUESS IT BECOMES A LITTLE DIFFERENT, LIKE YOU SAID, WHEN IT COMES TO TRAFFIC SAFETY.

SO, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE GUY MOVED THERE.

HE SAID WHEN HE WENT TO GO LOOK AT THE HOME AT WHATEVER TIME OF THE DAY, IT LOOKED A CERTAIN WAY.

BUT THEN WHEN YOU ACTUALLY LIVE THERE, IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT SITUATION.

I THINK THAT'S THE PUBLIC ROADS.

THERE'S NO OWNERSHIP ON THE PUBLIC ROAD.

THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.

THESE ARE PUBLIC ROADS FOR EVERYBODY TO USE.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIVE HERE.

IT'S A PUBLIC ROAD.

I UNDERSTAND. BUT YOU'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES FOR PEOPLE CUTTING THROUGH THAT STREET.

WELL, THOSE COULD BE, YES.

BUT THOSE ARE PEOPLE USING THE PUBLIC ROAD AS WELL.

I'M JUST THROWING OUT THERE AS WHAT I'M SAYING.

IF I IF WE LOOK AT IT LIKE THAT, THEN, QUITE FRANKLY, A PETITION SHOULD NOT BE NEEDED.

IF WE LOOK AT WHAT A PUBLIC ROAD IS AND IF WE AS A CITY CAN MAKE THE DECISION TO DO WHAT WE WANT TO DO ON A PUBLIC ROAD BECAUSE IT HAS NO BEARING ON THE HOMEOWNER, THEN A PETITION, QUITE FRANKLY, ISN'T REALLY NEEDED.

IF I CAN BE HONEST. WELL, AND I AND I THINK IN OTHER CASES, LIKE LIKE TOM MENTIONED, WHEN YOU'RE DOING PETITIONS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 500FT AROUND A PROPERTY OR 500FT WITHIN THE STREET BECAUSE YOU HAVE THIS OTHER LADY THAT LIVES ON THE EAST END OF THE STREET.

WELL, SHE'S NOT IN THE ZONE, BUT SHE'S AFFECTED.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE CLEAR.

YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING WITH FOLLOWING THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT FOR LAND USE AND ZONING.

AND THIS IS NOT THAT SAME TYPE OF PETITION AND THIS IS NOT THE SAME TYPE OF SURVEY.

IT'S TOTALLY. NO, IT ISN'T.

IT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT. IT DOESN'T FOLLOW THE THE THE THE COMP PLAN.

AND THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT PART OF THE TRAFFIC CALMING POLICY IS NOT IN THE COMP PLAN.

THE DISCUSSION IS ABOUT CHANGING THE POLICY.

THE POLICY IS MAINLY JUST A TRAFFIC POLICY.

IT WAS ADOPTED BY THE COUNCIL.

YEAH. BUT PART OF ANY COMP PLAN OR ANY CIRCULATION ELEMENT.

BUT. BUT IT'S CONFUSING BECAUSE I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND IT WAS ADOPTED BY THE COUNCIL.

BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE SAYING UP HERE IS IT'S WE WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S EVEN STILL HARD TO DEFINE WHAT 85% ACTUALLY IS.

AND SO LIKE, LIKE, SO THAT'S WHY IT WAS A POLICY STANDALONE THAT WAS PRESENTED TO COUNCIL.

IT WAS NOT TIED INTO ANY TYPE OF LAND USE, ANY TYPE OF ZONING, ANY TYPE OF REQUIREMENTS THAT REQUIRES.

IT'S JUST AN ARBITRARY NUMBER IS WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE.

YEAH, THAT'S 85.

OKAY. YEAH. I MEAN, THIS DISCUSSION IS ABOUT CHANGING THAT POLICY, CORRECT? YEAH. IT'S NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, BUT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL TO WHAT WE THINK IS THE MOST FAIR.

AND IF EVERY OTHER ASPECT OF ZONING AND ANYTHING TO DO WITH LAND AND INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PROPERTY OWNERS.

WHY WOULD YOU HAVE THIS ONE POLICY OVER HERE THAT'S NOW TALKING ABOUT RESIDENTS? I JUST I JUST THINK CONSISTENCY WISE, IT SHOULD BE THE SAME ACROSS THE BOARD.

SO I THINK CONSISTENCY AND THAT'S WHY I THINK I OPPOSE WITH EVERYBODY ELSE HERE IS SAYING BECAUSE CONSISTENCY.

YES. BUT REALISTICALLY, NO, BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY, AGAIN, IF A HOMEOWNER HAS NEVER LIVED IN IT, YOU DON'T USE THE STREET, YOU DON'T USE THE TRAFFIC DOESN'T AFFECT YOU IF YOU LIVE IN OHIO, IF YOU LIVE IN FRIGGIN INDIA AND YOU OWN THE HOME, REALISTICALLY YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

[01:30:03]

SO FOR YOU TO MAKE A DECISION REALISTICALLY FOR USE PURPOSES OF TRAFFIC, IT DOES NOT AFFECT YOU.

NOW, IF WE'RE CHANGING ZONING WHERE YOU CAN PUT IN A FARM, YOU KNOW, OR A GOLF COURSE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHERE IT'S AFFECTING YOUR PROPERTY VALUE, PUTTING UP A STOP SIGN OR A HUMP IN THE ROAD IS NOT GOING TO AFFECT YOUR PROPERTY VALUE.

SO IN MY OPINION, A HOMEOWNER THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO USE THE STREET OR THAT'S NOT AFFECTED BY IT, WHERE THEIR CHILDREN CAN GO FREELY OUTSIDE IN OHIO TO PLAY OUTSIDE WHERE THEY CAN'T FREELY DO THAT HERE, I DON'T THINK THAT THEY HAVE ANY BEARING ON THAT ON THAT DECISION.

BUT THAT'S JUST MY I, I AGREE WITH.

BECAUSE WOMAN DOESN'T LIVE THERE.

TRAFFIC IS REALLY DIFFERENT.

SO I AGREE WITH YOUR ASSESSMENT OF OPINION.

I MEAN, I GUESS WE JUST ADDED TO OUR AGENDA.

YEAH. SO WE'LL DISCUSS THAT FURTHER.

SO IF WE IF WE COULD GET A WRITTEN COPY OF WHAT THE ACTUAL POLICY IS NOW.

SO WE HAVE BECAUSE IT WAS HARD FOR ME TONIGHT WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHAT THE PROCEDURE IS.

SO IF WE COULD GET A COPY OF THAT POLICY AND THEN MAYBE DO A LITTLE SURVEY AND SOME COMPARISON POLICIES AND ANYTHING, ANY OTHER INFORMATION YOU WANT FOR THAT DISCUSSION? OH, NO, NOT FOR THAT DISCUSSION. I HAVE SOMETHING ELSE.

IS THAT GOOD FOR EVERYBODY FOR THAT? OKAY, SOUNDS GOOD.

OKAY. ANY OTHER FUTURE AGENDA REQUESTS? YES. IF WE CAN START GETTING AN UPDATE ON ROAD CLOSURES, BECAUSE I KNOW I WAS TOTALLY BLINDSIDED BY THE ONE ON PORT MALABAR.

UM, AND IT WAS IT'S FOR, IT WAS FOR A VERY LONG TIME GOING EAST AND THEN NOW WEST IS GONE AND THERE'S A SCHOOL, THERE'S CHURCHES, THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF HOUSES AND THERE'S NO THROUGH STREET. I CAN'T GO FIND ANOTHER THROUGH STREET TO GET BACK TO THE OTHER SIDE AND DISRUPT PEOPLE'S LIVES.

UM, SO YEAH, IF WE CAN JUST START TO GET AN UPDATE OF ROAD CLOSURES WHEN WE DO POST THE ROAD CLOSURE, WE DO POST THE ROAD CLOSURES PRIOR TO WHEN WE DO ANY. AND THIS IS PART OF THE ROAD PROGRAM THERE FOR THE PORT MALABAR.

SO WE DO POST THEM IN ADVANCE SO THEY ARE POSTED ON THE CITY'S WEBPAGE.

OH, NO, I'M SORRY. I'M TALKING ABOUT LIKE WHEN WE HAVE OUR MEETINGS JUST FOR IT TO BE ON RECORD ON OUR STUFF IS WHAT I'M REQUESTING.

I DON'T KNOW. IS THERE A REASON? I'M JUST CURIOUS. LIKE WHAT? WHAT WHAT WOULD YOU WANT US TO DO WITH THE INFORMATION? NO, I GUESS IT'S MORE INFORMATIONAL SO THAT IT'S ACTUALLY ON OUR AGENDA.

I GUESS. IN MY OPINION, IT'S LIKE KIND OF ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO COME OUT TO MEETINGS WHERE IT'S ACTUALLY HERE AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO ON THE SITE TO LOOK FOR IT OR TRY TO DO LIKE A SCAVENGER. IT'S ACTUALLY POSTED ON THE CITY'S WEBPAGE.

I'LL BE HAPPY TO SHARE IT. AND I KNOW THAT I WOULD.

THE CITY I KNOW IS WANTING TO PEOPLE WANTING PEOPLE TO USE THE SITE FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES.

SO I WOULDN'T WANT TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S DETERRING.

I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT THE REASON TO WHY I BROUGHT IT UP IS BECAUSE ON FACEBOOK THAT BECAME A BIG CONVERSATION AND THEY HAD TO START TAGGING COUNCIL MEMBERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE UNAWARE.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN USE IT AS A PROMOTION TO GO TO THE CITY WEBSITE.

BUT IT DID BECOME A VERY BIG CONVERSATION ON ONE OF THE PUBLIC FACEBOOK PAGES.

SO THAT'S JUST KIND OF THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT IT UP.

AND I THINK ALSO BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES, FRANK DOES TELL US WHEN ROAD CLOSURES ARE COMING IN.

THE BIGGER. BUT THE PREVIOUS MEETING WAS THAT JOINT WORKSHOP MEETING.

SO WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE OUR FULL LIKE BOARD DISCUSSION LIKE WE NORMALLY DO.

SO THAT PROBABLY WAS PART OF IT TOO, BECAUSE FRANK IS PRETTY GOOD ABOUT TELLING US.

I DON'T MIND SHARING IN ADVANCE OF THESE ARE ALL TYPES OF THE ROAD PROGRAMS AND MAYBE THIS ONE'S MORE EFFECTIVE BECAUSE YOU TAKE THAT ROADWAY.

BUT WHEN WE CLOSE LIKE GREAT EXAMPLE, WHEN WE CLOSED EMERSON, WE HAD A HUGE YEAH, I KNOW I SAW ALL THE FACEBOOK POSTS.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S HOW I KNEW I WAS EXCITED.

IT WAS LIKE, YEAH, THE ROADS GETTING PAVED.

I KNEW IT WAS COMING. I KEPT ASKING ABOUT IT AND I'D BE HAPPY TO SHARE AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE BOND, AS WE'RE IN THESE CERTAIN ZONES AND ROADWAYS TO SHARE THE ROAD CLOSURES.

BUT AGAIN, THE CITY DOES DO THEIR BEST TO POST ALL THESE MOATS AND ROAD CLOSURES WAY IN ADVANCE OF A LOT OF TIMES THE PROBLEM IS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I HATE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WHETHER CONSTRUCTION SHORTAGE OF MATERIALS, INSTEAD OF TAKING TWO WEEKS AS POSTED ON THE CHANGEABLE MESSAGE SIGN, IT TAKES TWO MONTHS.

AND THAT'S JUST A FACT THAT HAPPENS.

WE HAVE NO CONTROL. HOW SOON UNTIL THAT ONE IS REOPENED? PORT. MALABAR. MALABAR.

WE JUST NOW CLOSED THE WESTBOUND DIRECTION.

I WAS TOLD TWO WEEKS TO UNTIL IT'S FINALLY DONE AND PAVED.

THEY GOT TO DO THE FDR, THEN THEY GOT TO PAVE IT ABOUT TWO WEEKS TO HAVE IT FULLY BACK OPENED UP AGAIN.

UM, I GOT EMERSON.

I KNOW. THAT WAS THE HOLIDAYS.

I WENT OUT OF TOWN AND CAME BACK AND THE ROAD WAS DONE.

YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IT ON THE ROAD.

PEOPLE WAS QUICKER. REMEMBER THEY TOOK THE LONGEST WAS THE CULVERT.

YES. THAT TOOK, I THINK, FOUR MONTHS.

IT WAS A LONG TIME.

AND THEY WERE WORKING ON OVER ON THAT.

AND GOOD EXAMPLE AND AND YOU DON'T HEAR ABOUT THIS IF YOU LIVED OVER ON THIS OR ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN.

NO, WE'VE HAD HARPER, WHICH IS A KIND OF LIKE THE ONLY ROAD THAT CUTS BACK THERE.

AND YOU KNOW, TOM KNOWS IT ALL DAY ON PALM BAY COMMUNITY ON FACEBOOK.

WE'VE GONE WAY PAST ALL THE ROAD CLOSURE TIME AND WE DON'T HAVE MUCH PEOPLE SCREAMING AND SHOUTING.

BUT HARPER IS A MAJOR ROAD CUTS THAT WHOLE BACK AREA AND THAT'S BEEN CLOSED FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD.

FRANK, YOU SAID SOMETHING INTERESTING.

WE HAVE A STUDY OF LIKE, WHAT'S YOUR AVERAGE TIME THAT ROADS ARE CLOSED?

[01:35:06]

BECAUSE LIKE SOMETIMES THINGS DO HAPPEN, BUT LIKE, LIKE SO IF YOU HAVE ROADS THAT ARE SIMILAR TO EACH OTHER BECAUSE CERTAIN THINGS ARE GOING TO BE DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON THE ROAD, BUT YOU MIGHT HAVE LIKE ROADS AS FAR AS THE WORK THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE.

DO WE HAVE AN AVERAGE OF WHAT THE STUDY TIME STUDY AROUND THE AVERAGE OF WHAT THAT TIMETABLE IS? BECAUSE WE MIGHT SAY PERFECT CONDITIONS IN TWO WEEKS, BUT OUR AVERAGE IS ALWAYS FOUR WEEKS.

THEN WOULDN'T IT MAKE SENSE TO START SAYING, HEY, BECAUSE I WOULD I WOULD MUCH RATHER HERE FOUR WEEKS AND IT GETS DONE IN TWO WEEKS, THEN BEING TOLD TWO WEEKS AND THEN IT'S FOUR WEEKS OR A MONTH OUT.

SO I'M CURIOUS IF WE HAVE LIKE AVERAGE TIMES OF WHEN IT VARIES BETWEEN IF IT'S A PIPE PROJECT OR A ROAD PROJECT AND THE ROAD PROJECT VARIES DEPENDS ON THE DETAIL OF THE MO IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH TRAFFIC IS ON THAT ROAD.

IF THERE'S VERY LITTLE TRAFFIC AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF FACTORS INVOLVED.

AND THE BOTTOM LINE AND THE REASON WHY WE CLOSE THOSE ROADS WAS PURELY FOR THE SAFETY OF THE PUBLIC AND THE CONTRACTOR.

YEAH, THEY WERE JUST THEY JUST NOT WANTED TO HAVE THAT HALF LIKE MOST MOST PEOPLE SAID, WHY DON'T YOU JUST SHIFT THE ROAD OVER TO ONE SIDE AND HAVE THE TWO LANES CONVERTED TO TO A, YOU KNOW, TWO DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.

IT JUST TAKE ONE PERSON WHO DIDN'T REALIZE THAT AND, YOU KNOW, GOT A HEAD ON, HEAD ON, MAN.

DO PEOPLE DO THAT ALL THE TIME? ALL THE TIME. I'M SAYING, HOW MANY CONES, HOW CONTRACTOR RANGERS DID NOT WANT TO DO SOMETHING THAT WAS DANGEROUS TO THE PUBLIC.

SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY THEY SAID WE WANT A FULL CLOSURE JUST TO MAKE IT SAFE FOR EVERYBODY BECAUSE THERE'S TOO MANY.

HE'D SAY IDIOTS OUT THERE.

ABSOLUTELY. AND I AGREE WITH WITH ABSOLUTELY WITH CLOSING IT FOR ME, IT'S JUST A MORE ACCURATE DEPICTION OF WHAT LIKE THE REALITY OF THAT TIMING IS.

AND WE TRY TO GET SOME NUMBERS.

I THINK IT'S PROBABLY DIFFERENT.

I MEAN, THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT LENGTHS.

I MEAN, LIKE EMERSON. YEAH, THAT'S.

ANOTHER ONE THAT I THINK IS A PIPE COLLAPSE.

AND IT'S JUST IT'S VERY I THINK WE'VE DONE SO MUCH.

WE MAY HAVE SOME GOOD DATA, SO LET ME LOOK INTO IT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YEAH. DID WE HAVE ANY OTHER AGENDA REQUESTS FOR FUTURE MEETINGS? MM HM. ALL RIGHT.

WELL, SEEING NOTHING ELSE.

WE'RE GOING TO ADJOURN AT 837.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, GUYS. GREAT DISCUSSION.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.

Apr 24, 2023 Infrastructure Advisory and Oversight Board

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