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ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER AT 7 P.M..
THIS IS THE JUNE 26TH, 2023 MEETING.
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2020 306 OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE ADVISORY AND OVERSIGHT BOARD.CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? BEAR PRESENT.
MARIE FRAZIER. PAUL EDWARDS PRESIDENT.
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ANY COMMENTS OR MOTION FROM THE BOARD.MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM APRIL 24TH, 2023.
SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I'M SEEING NONE. I VOTE I.
SO NOW PUBLIC COMMENTS ON NON AGENDA ITEMS.
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I'M SEEING NONE.SO THEN WE WILL MOVE TO THE BUSINESS ITEMS. SO FIRST UP, WE HAVE AN UPDATE ON THE ROAD PAVING PROGRAM BY MR.
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WATANABE. ALL RIGHT.AGAIN, FRANK WATANABE, THE CITY ENGINEER.
JUST HAVE A POWERPOINT REAL QUICKLY TO GO OVER.
SO THOSE HAVE ALL BEEN COMPLETED AND WE'RE AT CLOSE OUT.
PRETTY MUCH MAJORITY OF THE ROAD WAS FDR AND THEY'RE ALL DONE COMPLETED.
WE ALSO RIGHT NOW ARE FINISHING UP WHAT WE CALL THE CONNECT AND PORT MALABAR SECTIONS.
THAT WAS A SECTION OF PORT MALABAR THAT WENT FROM BABCOCK ALL THE WAY TO US ONE.
AND I HAVE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS TO SHOW YOU JUST TO HIGHLIGHT THAT WAS COMPLETED IN MAY.
WE'RE MOVING NOW INTO WHAT THEY CALL THE REMAINING NORTHEAST SECTIONS OF THAT NORTH SO THAT THE OLD PALM BAY AREA, WHICH WE CALL THE NORTHEAST AREA, WE STARTED PAVING AND MILLING.
ABOUT 20% RIGHT NOW HAVE BEEN COMPLETED.
AND THAT'S ONGOING WITH OUR CONTRACTOR RANGER.
IN ADDITION, WE WE ALSO ADVERTISED AND AWARDED A UNIT 1314 MADDEN OSMOSIS.
MADDEN OSMOSIS WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL UNIT 49 COUNCIL APPROVED IT TO BE PART OF THE UNITS.
1314 OUR CONTRACTOR WAS SUPPOSED TO MOBILIZE TODAY AND GET STARTED.
HOWEVER, HE HAS SOME EQUIPMENT PROBLEMS. WE ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE NOT TO PARK THINGS IN THE COMPOUND.
WE HAD OUR PUBLIC WORKS FOR THIS PERIOD BETWEEN WHEN WE GOT TO MADDEN WAS WAS ADDING MILLINGS.
BUT THE ASPHALT HAS BEEN DETERIORATED.
THERE WASN'T MUCH OF A OF AN ASPHALT.
WE WOULD PLACE MILLINGS ASPHALT MILLINGS TO HELP THEM BUILD UP THAT ROADWAY.
SO WHEN WE MIX IT, THE ASPHALT, THE MILLINGS WERE THERE.
BUT THE PROBLEM WAS OUR PUBLIC WORKS TEAM ADDED TOO MUCH.
THAT ENTAILS ALMOST 21 MILES OF ROADWAY IN THAT AREA.
AND THAT'S A WHOLE MIXTURE OF FDR MILL AND PAVE THIN.
JUST TO GIVE YOU A HEADS UP, WE HAD SO MANY DIFFERENT COMPONENTS OF THIS PROJECT.
IT WAS ADVERTISED, BUT IT GOT PULLED BECAUSE OF ALL THE QUESTIONS WE HAD.
SO WE WENT AND CLEANED UP THE THE PLANS.
SO THAT CAUSED SOME OF THE PROBLEMS. WE ALSO HAD TO ADD A SECTION THAT WAS IN THE CONNECTS ROAD PROJECT, WHICH WAS THE CIMARRON CIRCLE, WHICH WE HAD TO MOVE OVER INTO THIS SECTION BECAUSE AT THE TIME WE WERE DIRECTED NOT TO TOUCH THAT ROADWAY, BUT NOW WE WANT TO TAKE CARE OF THAT ROADWAY AS PART OF THE NORTHEAST AREA.
SO THAT WAS ALSO ADDED TO COUNTRY CLUB AS WELL AS SOME OF THE OTHER.
CHANGES WE DID IN THE NORTHEAST AREA OF THE COUNTRY CLUB BECAME CHALLENGING.
SO I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A HEADS UP.
JUST JUST A ROUGH ESTIMATE WHERE WE SIT TODAY ON THE ROAD PROGRAM.
WE'RE ABOUT 45%, 171 MILES, SO ABOUT 353 MILES.
I JUST DID A ROUGH CALCULATIONS.
SO OUR GOAL HOPEFULLY BY THE END OF THIS YEAR, I REMEMBER THIS YEAR WOULD BE OUR FIFTH YEAR.
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WE SHOULD BE PAST THE 50.FINISHING UP. 1314 MADDEN OSMOSIS AND ESPECIALLY THE COUNTRY CLUB.
WE SHOULD BE WAY PAST THE 50% MARK.
WE RIGHT NOW, TODAY WE SIT WE'RE AT 45%.
WE'RE ABOUT 353 MILES COMPLETED OF THE 709 MILES.
SO, CHRISTINE, JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE SLIDE.
I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE CHALLENGING PROJECT WE HAD HERE WAS PORT MALABAR.
PORT MALABAR WAS IN THE FRONT SECTION, WAS A MILL.
THIS IS WHAT THE FDR PROCESS LOOKED LIKE.
SO WE HAD NO PROBLEMS. FLIP IT AGAIN. WE STARTED GOING THE REVERSE DIRECTION.
WE HAD TO DO WAS WE HAD TO DO SEVERAL PASSES WITH THE MILL MACHINE.
SO THAT RAISED THE COST OF THE OF THE OVERALL PROJECT.
AND AGAIN, THAT WAS TOTALLY UNEXPECTED.
WE HAD TESTS DONE, BUT AGAIN, WHEN WE DO BOARDS, WE JUST DO THE BEST WE CAN.
YOU KNOW, WE TAKE TEN, YOU KNOW, 5 OR 10 SAMPLES DEPENDING ON WHERE THE ROAD WAS.
I THINK WE HAD LIKE FIVE SAMPLES.
DO THE BEST WE CAN WITH CAUSE.
AGAIN, WHEN WE DO THE FDR, YOU REALLY WANT TO HAVE ABOUT 2 TO 3IN OF ASPHALT.
YOU MIX IN WITH THE MATERIAL, THE NATIVE MATERIAL.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE MAJOR COST INCREASES WAS TO WAS TO MILL THE ROADWAY SEVERAL TIMES.
SO NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS THE ACTUAL FDR PROCESS.
THIS IS THE MIXTURE. AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THE.
MALABAR ROADWAY. WE DID NOT USE EMULSION.
OUR GEOTECHNICAL RECOMMENDED JUST A FLAT CEMENT FDR AND FLAT CEMENT.
FDR IS WHAT THEY USED TO CALL THE OLD DAYS, THE CEMENT MIXTURE, WHICH I FORGOT.
IT'S SOLAR CEMENT. THEY USED TO CALL IT SALZMAN.
I APOLOGIZE. IN THE OLD DAYS, USING CEMENT MIXING IN WITH MATERIAL WAS CALLED SOIL CEMENT.
IT'S STILL CONSIDERED AN FDA PROCESS.
IN THE PICTURE HERE, YOU SHOW US THE MIXER.
IN FRONT OF IT IS THE WATER TANKER.
THE THE CEMENT IS LAID IN IN ADVANCE OF THE MIXING MACHINE.
WE TURN THE NEXT SLIDE. AGAIN, ANOTHER POSITION SHOWING THAT THE CEMENT HAS BEEN LAID DOWN.
THE NEXT SLIDE. THEN AFTER THAT, IT'S BEEN IT'S BLADED DOWN.
THEN IT GETS ROLLED AND AFTER IT GETS ROLLED, IT'S READY TO BE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE SHOW HERE IS THE PAVING OPERATIONS.
THAT'S ALL RIGHT. GO AHEAD. PAVING OPERATION AGAIN, SHOWING THE DIRECTION.
HEADING. IN THIS ISOLATION BY THE FAMILY DOLLAR.
NEXT SLIDE. THE PROCESS WE USE, WHERE WE HAVE IN THIS LARGER MACHINE, WHICH IS CALLED A SHUTTLE BUGGY, WHICH IS CONSIDERED A LARGER PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT CAN HANDLE A LOT MORE. IT HOLDS MORE.
AND NUMBER TWO, AS THE TRUCKS BACK UP TO THE ASPHALT MACHINE, IT DOESN'T BUMP ALL TIMES.
WHEN YOU HAVE AN OPERATIONS, YOU USE A SHUTTLE BUGGY BECAUSE THAT WAY YOU CAN HOLD MORE.
BUT THEN THE DUMP TRUCKS DOESN'T TOUCH THE PAVING MACHINE.
MARK SO THAT'S THE FIRST THING YOU WANT TO HAVE.
AND ONCE IT HAPPENS, YOU CAN'T FIX IT, EVEN WITH THE ROLLER.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE IN THIS OPERATION.
THE ACTUAL PAVEMENT MACHINE HAS A LARGER BUCKET IN IT, 2 TO 3 TIMES THE AMOUNT OF ASPHALT.
SO THIS OPERATION CAN THEN CONTINUE ON.
THIS PROCESS CONTINUES ON WITHOUT ANY ASPHALT AT THE SITE BECAUSE BOTH CONTAINERS COULD HOLD SUFFICIENT AMOUNT OF ASPHALT FOR IT TO CONTINUE ON FOR AT LEAST MAYBE 30 MINUTES BEFORE THE TRUCKS RETURN. THIS IS A PROCESS THAT WE'VE BEEN USING ON OUR MAJOR ROADWAYS.
NEXT SLIDE. AGAIN, THIS IS THE INTERSECTION UP THERE BY COMMERCE.
PRETTY MUCH. WE HAVE HALF THE ROAD COMPLETED WITH THE ROLLER.
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WE HAVE THE MAIN LANES DONE EXCEPT FOR THE TURN LANES.NEXT SLIDE. AND THIS IS I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THIS SECTION.
THIS IS THE RAILROAD CROSSING HEADING.
EASTBOUND. THIS IS THE SECTION WHERE WE HAD PROBLEMS. REMEMBER WHEN THE RAILROAD DOUBLE TRACKED THE RAILROAD? THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH THIS DIP RIGHT HERE.
THERE WAS A THERE'S A DIP WHICH CAUSED PEOPLE TO SCRAPE THE BOTTOM.
WE HAD THE RAILROAD COMPANY COME BACK OUT THREE DIFFERENT TIMES TO DO IT.
COULDN'T FIX IT. RANGER DID IT ONE TIME.
FIXED. WE WANT TO THANK RACHEL FOR TAKING CARE OF THAT PROBLEM WE HAD ON THE DIP.
AGAIN, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT THEY THOUGHT COULDN'T BE DONE, BUT RANGER TOOK CARE OF IT.
SO I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THAT DIP THAT WAS ON THAT CORNER IS GONE.
NEXT SLIDE SHOWS JUST THE STRIPING EQUIPMENT.
NEXT SLIDE. AND THEN THE FINAL STRIKING.
SO THE ROAD IS DONE. THE ROAD IS OPEN.
JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY. SO IT WAS BRIGHT LINE, CORRECT? WAS IT BRIGHT LINE THAT CAME OUT AND TRIED TO BRIGHT LINE? YES, IT WAS BRIGHT LINE. DOUBLE TRACKING THAT RIGHT NOW THEY'RE RUNNING THE HIGH SPEED TRAINS WE WHAT TWO YEARS AGO WE'RE WE'RE DOUBLE TRACKING ALL THE LOCATIONS PORT MALABAR WAS ONE OF THEM. BUT IN THE PROCESS OF CREATING THE DOUBLE TRACK, THEY CREATED A VERTICAL CURVE THAT WASN'T CURVED LINES FOR THE VERTICAL CURVE THAT YOU HAVE TO MEET.
HOWEVER, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS ACCEPTABLE, IF YOU DROVE IT, THERE WAS A THERE WAS A BUMP THERE AND YOU COULD SEE AFTER A WHILE THE ASPHALT WAS SHOWING SIGNS WHERE CARS WERE SCRAPING IT. AND WE'VE ASKED AND WE ASKED AND THEY CAME BACK THREE DIFFERENT TIMES, DID IT THREE DIFFERENT TIMES AND STILL HAD THE SAME PROBLEM.
AND THE ANSWER WAS IT COULDN'T BE FIXED.
THEY KNEW HOW TO FIX IT. JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, IS THERE LIKE AN ADDITIONAL COST THAT RANGER THAT WE GOT HIT WITH BECAUSE RANGER HAD TO COME OUT VERSUS NO, BECAUSE IT WAS ALL WITHIN THE SCOPE? I MEAN, BRIGHT LINE SHOULD HAVE TAKEN CARE OF IT.
BUT YOU KNOW, THEY TRIED THREE DIFFERENT TIMES.
AFTER THREE TRIES, YOU JUST KIND OF SAID, THAT'S ENOUGH.
YOU KNOW, LET'S LET ANOTHER COMPANY TRY IT AND LET'S SEE IF THEY COULD.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT PAYING FOR A MISTAKE THAT BRIGHTLINE HAS.
AND THE SECONDARY IS, YOU KNOW, ASPHALT AND ROADWAYS AND CONNECTIONS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS A CHALLENGING PROJECT HERE BECAUSE THERE WAS A VERTICAL CURVE AND THEN THERE WAS A CURVE OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND THE TRAIN TRACKS HAD TO BE SUPER ELEVATED. SO IT MADE IT A CHALLENGE.
THEY KNEW EXACTLY HOW TO FIX IT.
IT IS DONE. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, HAD WE NOT BEEN DOING THIS PROJECT? WE WOULD HAVE A FIXED.
IT WOULD HAVE. WE JUST HAPPENED TO BE THERE DOING THIS AT WE GOT LUCKY AFTER THREE TIMES.
I WOULD NOT HAVE THEM COME BACK AND DO A FOURTH.
THERE'S A POINT. WE JUST SAY THAT'S ENOUGH.
AND THEY ENDED UP HAVING TO COME BACK AND CLOSE.
I DROVE PORT MALABAR THE OTHER DAY AND IT'S REALLY, REALLY NICE.
THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, WE JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, LIKE ALL OUR ROAD PROJECTS AND JUST TO HIGHLIGHT AGAIN, WHEN BRIGHTLAND WAS HERE ALMOST TWO YEARS AGO, THEY CLOSED THE ROADWAY FOR SEVERAL MONTHS.
WE HAD VERY LITTLE COMPLAINTS.
SO THEN HERE WE COME WITH OUR ROAD PROGRAM, SAY, OKAY, FOR SAFETY REASONS, BUT FOR SAFETY REASONS, WE DECIDED TO CLOSE THE ENTIRE SEGMENT BECAUSE TRYING TO FLIP THE ROAD, ONE OF THE SUGGESTION WAS, YOU KNOW, WE KEEP HALF THE ROAD OPEN AND JUST DO HALF THE ROAD, BUT THAT MEANS PUTTING ON ALL THE TRAFFIC IN ONE DIRECTION WITH ALL THOSE TURN LANES.
WE'RE DOING A LOUSY JOB, BUT AMAZING.
ONCE THE ROADS BUILT AND THEY COULD DRIVE ON A NICE PAVED ROAD, REALLY NICE.
AND THEN AFTERWARDS IT WAS LIKE HAPPY DAYS, YOU KNOW? SO WE'RE USED TO IT.
NICE. WHEN IT'S DONE, WE'RE USED TO IT.
SOMETIMES IT MAY TAKE A FEW WEEKS.
IN THIS SITUATION, IT TOOK A FEW MONTHS.
THE ISSUE WE HAD TO BE CONCERNED WITH IS PUBLIC SAFETY, CONTRACTOR SAFETY, EVERYBODY'S SAFETY.
WELL, HOW? BECAUSE I REMEMBER I SAW IT ON FACEBOOK AHEAD OF THE ROAD CLOSURE.
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BUT HOW FAR IN ADVANCE OF THE ROAD CLOSURE DID THE CITY PUT THAT INFORMATION OUT? SO OUR REQUIREMENT IS ALWAYS TWO WEEKS IN ADVANCE.OKAY. BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE I SAW IT A CONSIDERABLE.
AND THEN IN OUR BIDS, OUR CONTRACT IS SUPPOSED TO DO DOOR HANGERS EVEN.
WE TRY TO GET INFORMATION THROUGH OUR CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE WITH WITH THE PUBLIC INFORMATION.
WE HAVE A GREAT PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER THAT TRIES TO SHARE THE INFORMATION OUT, BUT YOU CAN DO AS MUCH PR WORK, BUT THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE THE ONE PERSON THAT SEGMENT YOU'RE GOING TO MISS OR THE PERSON WHO'S JUST NOT GOING TO BE HAPPY.
SO I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO JUST NOT HAPPY.
OF COURSE. YOU GOT A BRAND NEW ROAD.
YEAH. OH, ARE WE IN TERMS OF THE BUDGET? THAT'S A HUGE QUESTION.
I THINK YOU'VE SEEN IN THE LAST GO ROUND OF THE TOTAL $150.
CHUNK SHORT. LIKE 26, $27 MILLION SHORT.
WE'VE TAKEN OUT THE POLYMER, WHICH IS HIGHER COST.
WE'VE, WE'VE INCREASED THE AMOUNT OF RECYCLED MATERIAL, WHAT THEY CALL THE RAP FROM 20 TO 40%.
WE'RE LOOKING AT AND YOU'LL SEE THE PRESENTATION HOPEFULLY IN JULY.
WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THAT WHEN WE HAVE THE NEXT MEETING.
THE POLYMER FROM 3 TO 6% TIGHTENS THE MATERIAL.
AND WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM OTHER AGENCIES.
DON'T GET THE BUT THERE'S NO 100% GUARANTEE THAT THE LADY WHO COMES FROM TEXAS WHO WORKS FOR THIS COMPANY TELLS THEM UP FRONT, I'M NOT GOING TO GUARANTEE YOU 100%. YOU'RE GOING TO GET MAYBE 80 OR 90, BUT YOU'RE ARE GOING TO GET SOME MARKS.
I WANT TO PRESENT THAT TO YOU GUYS IN THE NEXT MEETING WHENEVER WE CAN SCHEDULE IT.
IS THAT THE ONE THAT THE JACKSONVILLE THAT WAS GETTING READY? CORRECT. IT'S BEEN THEY'VE BEEN AWARDED.
THEY HAVE NOT YET GOT A CONTRACT WITH THE CITY OF GAINESVILLE.
BUT, YOU KNOW BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE DOING THIS POLYMER MIX ALREADY LIKE IT'S TEXAS BASED.
THEY'VE DONE SOME IN TENNESSEE, THEY'VE DONE SOME.
I'VE TALKED WITH A LOT OF OTHER AGENCIES.
AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO TRY IT.
MOST APARTMENT COMPLEX, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ON THE EAST SIDE OF BABCOCK BETWEEN BABCOCK AND MALABAR.
THIS WOULD BE A GOOD TEST. AND IF IT WORKS OUT AND IF IT TRULY GOES TO WHAT IT SHOULD.
YOU DON'T WANT YOU CAN'T PAVE IT.
SO THEN YOU HAVE EQUAL WITH WITH THE WITH ALMOST A.
USE COST IN ASPHALT COMPARED TO ASPHALT COST.
WE COULD THEN STRETCH THAT MILE.
WE COULD STRETCH THAT. GOAL TO MEET THE OBJECTIVE OF FINISHING ALL OUR STREETS WITHIN 150 MILLION.
IF WE START USING THESE TYPES OF TREATMENTS.
THAT'LL BE SOMETHING I'LL BE BRINGING AT THE NEXT INFRASTRUCTURE ADVISORY BOARD MEETING.
AGAIN, THERE'S SOME ISSUES WE'LL TALK ABOUT.
I WANT TO SCHEDULE THAT MEETING AT THE NEXT MEETING TO HAVE THEM GIVE A PRESENTATION.
YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE UPDATE ON THE.
NEXT, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE REVIEW OF THE TRAFFIC CALMING POLICY.
AGAIN, FRANK WATANABE, THE CITY ENGINEER.
AND CHRISTINE, IF YOU CAN HELP ME OUT, THE SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE.
AND THAT, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, IS MOVING FORWARD.
AFTER THE MEETING, YOU GUYS ENDORSED THE TRAFFIC CALMING PROGRAM.
THE ISSUE WAS TO INSTALL A ALWAYS STOP AT BRICKELL AT ELLINGTON.
THE LEAD. I CALL THEM LIKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD CAPTAIN.
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ALL WAY STOP FOR THE TRAFFIC CALMING.AND AGAIN, THIS IS BASED ON YOUR ENDORSEMENT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT TRAFFIC CALMING PROGRAM.
THERE WERE OF THE TRAFFIC ISSUES ON BRICKELL PD WILL BE AT THAT MEETING AND I KNOW THE CAPTAIN WILL OR THE POLICE CHIEF WILL AT LEAST ENDORSE PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AS WELL. SO I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT.
THERE WAS A QUESTION REGARDING WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE AN OWNER, RESIDENT OR.
SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, REMEMBER WE HAD THAT WHICH WAY SHOULD IT BE? AND THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION TO ASK.
WHICH WAY SHOULD IT BE? I CHECKED WITH CHRISTINA'S HELP.
WE PULLED SEVERAL OTHER TRAFFIC CALMING PROGRAMS AND CHECKED THEIR PETITIONS.
AND I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT, CHRISTINA, IF YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THOSE REAL FAST.
IT'S GOT TO HAVE 50, 50% PLUS ONE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, 50% PLUS ONE.
SO THEY'RE TRAFFIC CALMING PROGRAMS SAY.
THIS IS CITY OF PORT SAINT LUCIE.
SAME THING AGAIN, 50% OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS.
SO PULLED THEIRS AND THEIRS IS 75% OF THE OWNERS.
AND THIS ONE IS OWNERS OR RESIDENTS.
SO THIS HAS BOTH. CITY OF DELTONA.
THEY HAVE 75% OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS.
SO AGAIN, ANOTHER PROPERTY OWNER.
THE NEXT ONE. OSCEOLA COUNTY HAS 6% OF THE HOMEOWNERS.
NOT RENTERS. SO AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO THE HOMEOWNERS.
SO ANOTHER ONE FOR THE HOMEOWNERS.
THE NEXT ONE. THE COUNTY HAS 70% OF THE RESIDENTS.
SO THIS IS THE FIRST ONE THAT HAS JUST RESINS, NOT OWNERS.
SO MAJORITY OF THE ONES I PULLED, I THINK THAT'S THE LAST ONE.
I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THERE WAS A QUESTION YOU GUYS HAD.
I DON'T I'M SAYING I OWN THE PROPERTY.
BUT I KNOW IN THE SITUATION I WANT THAT COMMUNITY TO BE IN GOOD SHAPE.
WHY? BECAUSE IT'S IN MY INVESTMENT, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? SO WHEN THE DAY COMES, YOU KNOW, I HAVE THE LUXURY TO MAKE SOME PROFIT OFF THAT HOME AS LONG AS IT'S IN THAT VALUE.
IN THIS SITUATION, YOU GUYS HAD THE SAME CONCERN REGARDING SHOULD IT BE A RENTER OR SHOULD IT BE A.
UPCOMING PROGRAM SHOWS THAT AS PROPERTY OWNER.
SHE WAS A PROPERTY OWNER, BUT COUPLE OF THEM HAVE SOME.
AMENDMENT. EXAMPLE, LEE COUNTY SAYS RESIDENTS.
60% OF THE OWNERS OF RECORD RESIDED.
ONLY A OWNER THAT LIVES IN THE PROPERTY, LIVES IN THE ERA.
SO YOU HAVE TO YOU HAVE TO GET 60% OF THOSE, AT LEAST IN THE ERA, AND THEY'LL, TURNER SAYS.
IT SPEAKS SPECIFICALLY TO THOSE OWNERS WHO ARE LIVING.
YOU CAN FIND SUFFICIENT, THEN AN ALTERNATIVE METHOD.
MOST OF THEM HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE METHOD.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE ALTERNATIVE METHOD FOR THE FACT THAT YOUR POINT THERE SAFETY CONCERNS THAT THE POLICE CHIEF WILL VALIDATE TO SAY YES, NO, THIS THIS IS A SAFETY CONCERN SO THAT IF CITIZENS CAN'T.
IT A HOLD OF THEIR PROPERTY OWNERS TO GET THAT TYPE OF SIGNATURE.
I I'M STILL TORN OF THE RESIDENCE VERSUS PROPERTY OWNERS.
I STILL THINK IT SHOULD BE THE OWNERS.
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YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS LIVING THERE, IT SAYS 75% OF THE OWNERS.ARE RESIDENT OF PROPERTY WITHIN THE AREA OF INFLUENCE.
EACH PROPERTY IS ENTITLED TO ONE SIGNATURE.
MOST OF THEM GIVE YOU AN ALTERNATIVE.
I'M READING THIS. I THINK IT SHOULD BE PROPERTY OWNERS.
UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THE PERSON THAT OWNS THAT PROPERTY.
IF YOU'RE A RESPONSIBLE LANDLORD, WOULD HOPE YOU WOULD BE HAVING COMMUNICATION WITH YOUR TENANT IF YOU DID RECEIVE SOME TYPE OF NOTICE ABOUT TRAFFIC CALMING TO REACH OUT AND SAY, HEY, WHAT ARE YOU EXPERIENCING THERE? WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? BUT I KNOW IF IT WERE ME AND I OWNED A PROPERTY, I WOULD NOT WANT A TENANT SIGNING A PETITION ON BEHALF OF MY PROPERTY THAT I OWN.
THINK THAT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A PETITION, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A LEGAL DOCUMENT THAT'S BEING BEING USED, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE A CHANGE TO THAT ENVIRONMENT, IT SHOULD BE THE PERSON THAT OWNS THE PROPERTY AND PAYS THE TAXES.
TRAFFIC CALMING POLICY SAID SO THIS MEMO IS SAYING.
ATTACHED IS A POLICY, BUT I DON'T SEE THE POLICY HERE.
ARTIST IS IS A TECHNICAL BUT THE ACTUAL BREAKDOWN IS THAT MEMO.
YEAH. THIS IS THAT MEMO, IS IT? THAT'S IT. OKAY. BECAUSE I THINK WHERE SOME OF THE CONFUSION FELL AT THE LAST MEETING WAS THAT THOSE RESIDENTS WERE CLEARLY CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THEIR COMMUNITY.
THEY CAME HERE AND I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THIS BODY REALLY HAD THE ABILITY.
AND SO WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR WAS SOME.
AND SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY CAME HERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WAS A NECESSARY STEP FOR THEM.
AND THEN I THINK IT WAS POURING DOWN RAIN THE NIGHT THAT THEY ALL CAME AND THEY PACKED THE ROOM.
AND THEN I DIDN'T WANT THEM TO FEEL LIKE THEY ALL CAME OUT.
IT WAS UNNECESSARY BECAUSE THEY STILL ULTIMATELY HAVE TO GO TO COUNCIL.
GOODMAN WAS THE ONE ON ATHENS.
IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT MAY BE ISSUES, IT NEEDS TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS.
SO THIS THIS IS THE FIRST PUBLIC PROCESS.
AND LET'S JUST SAY IN THE PROCESS THEY DON'T GET THEIR 50% IS PRETTY HIGH.
BUT LET'S JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, THE OPPOSITE COMES OUT AND THEN THE PEOPLE.
WHAT? THE TRAFFIC COMMENTS STARTED SPEAKING LOUDLY.
SO. THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO VET IT OUT THEMSELVES.
BUT THERE'S A PROCESS ALLOWS THEM TO HAVE THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO WORK ON THAT DOCUMENT AS WELL.
I HAVE YOU KNOW, AND THIS WAS REALLY SHORT TO YOU GUYS, I FAST FORWARD THIS.
WE NEED TO SEE THAT YOU GUYS HAVE TO HAVE SOME OWNERSHIP.
AND AGAIN, THEY'LL ALWAYS STOP.
IT'S NOT AN EASY THING TO INSTALL WHICH PEOPLE MAY NOT.
WELL, IT'S AN ALWAYS THOUGHT. WELL, IT SAYS IN THE MUTCD YOU JUST CAN'T PUT ONE IN.
I'M PUTTING ONE IN BECAUSE OF THE HIGH ACCIDENTS AT THAT LOCATION.
THAT SHOWS ME THAT AN ALL WAY STOP WOULD PREVENT THAT.
THAT TELLS ME GIVES ME THE AUTHORITY TO SAYS YES, BUT THIS PUT ONE IN.
WE'RE LOOKING AT IT FOR A SAFETY REASON BECAUSE THERE'S ACCIDENTS OCCURRING AT THAT INTERSECTION AND IT ALWAYS STOP WAS HELP REDUCE THAT, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT WAS LIKE IT WAS, IT WAS LIKE AT LEAST AN ACCIDENT OR TWO A YEAR THAT.
COMMON REDUCTION IS THE RESTRICTION FROM THE LEFT TURNS OFF OF EMERSON.
IT ALSO SHOWS SIGNS OF ALL OF THE THINGS THAT SET ME UP.
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THIS IS GOOD TO LOOK AT THESE THINGS BY ACCIDENT.IF I COULD REDUCE THE ACCIDENTS AND MAKE IT SAFER, THAT'S A WIN WIN.
TYPICALLY IS VERY DATA DRIVEN.
AND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING NOW, IT'S THE MACD IS NOT SUPPORTING WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING.
SO I THINK IN THAT SCENARIO THEY CAME AND WERE ASKING FOR SOMETHING THAT REALLY WASN'T SUPPORTED BY THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND IS NOT SUPPORTED BY MACD, BUT THEY STILL WANT IT AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT I THINK THAT PUTS THIS BOARD IN A FUNNY SITUATION, GIVES THE RESPONSIBILITY TO THE ENGINEER, RIGHT? SO IT'S THE ENGINEER'S DECISION AND IT'S CLEARLY STATED IN THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT.
THAT BOOK IS JUST A GUIDEBOOK.
IS THIS A GUIDEBOOK? IT'S UP TO THE THE ENGINEER IN CHARGE TO MAKE IT A SOUND DECISION.
THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE A LICENSED ENGINEER.
SO I MEAN, USE IT IN A LOT OF SITUATIONS, BUT NOW IT DOESN'T REALLY FIT.
THIS AREA, BUT WE'RE STILL GOING TO APPLY IT.
AGAIN, BASED ON AN ENGINEERING JUDGMENT.
THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT'S NOT IN THE OECD THAT IS BASED ON ENGINEERING JUDGMENT IS APPLIED.
THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT'S IN THE OECD AGAIN, THAT'S OUTDATED AS WELL.
BUT YOU USE ENGINEERING JUDGMENT.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S MY SEAL, REALLY.
AND SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY WERE NOT ALL.
NO, IT DID SHOW THAT THAT THAT STOP SIGN.
YEAH, IT DID SHOW IT. IT SHOWED ACCESS AT THE INTERSECTION.
THAT'S WHAT WARNED ME TO SAY. IT NEEDS A STOP SIGN.
IT SHOWS ACCIDENT AT THE INTERSECTION OF CIRCLE AT ELLINGTON.
THOUGHT WE HAD A WHOLE CONVERSATION ABOUT ACCIDENTS THAT WEREN'T REPORTED.
AND SO THE NUMBER WAS HIGHER THAN WHAT I'M SAYING.
I'M ASSUMING THERE'S PROBABLY 50% THAT WERE NOT REPORTED.
AGAIN. SO BASED ON THAT BECAUSE I.
WHAT IF IT'S REPORTED? AND THEY'RE TELLING ME. AND I WENT OUT THERE AND YOU SEE, YOU KNOW, TEAR LIGHTS AND BUSTED.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT MORE ACCIDENTS HERE.
LIGHT BULB TURNED ON. WE NEED TO ALWAYS STOP IT.
I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE HARD THINGS BECAUSE IN THEIR MINDS.
THIS WAS THE THIS WAS THE MOMENT FOR THEM.
AND I WAS LIKE, NO, BY THE WAY, THIS ISN'T YOUR MOMENT.
YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO TO A DIFFERENT MEETING.
THAT'S GOING TO BE WHERE YOU'LL HAVE TO GET THE SIGNATURE.
THEY HAVE TO GET THE SIGNATURE, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO IS THERE.
AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, IS THERE A PORTION THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO SHOWCASES, WHAT'S OUR INVOLVEMENT AND WHAT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY SO THAT WE HAVE A CLEAR IDEA OF LIKE HOW WE SHOULD SHOW UP WHEN, IF AND WHEN THIS DOES HAPPEN AGAIN, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO FEEL LIKE WE'RE JUST KIND OF LIKE A BUFFER.
WE HAVE A WE OF THE POLICY THAT WAS SHOWN AND THAT.
HANDOUT AND WE GIVE TO THE RESIDENTS IF THEY ASK, WE WANT TO DO TRAFFIC CALMING.
WE CLEARLY STATES, HERE ARE THE REQUIREMENTS, HERE ARE THE RULES KNOW AND IN THERE IT TELLS YOU THAT YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE LEAD, YOU HAVE TO GET THE PETITION, GET THE SIGNATURES. SO IT'S ALL LAID OUT AND IT GOES THROUGH A PROCESS.
BECAUSE THERE'S A MECHANISM FOR THE.
NOT JUST THE DEVICE, BUT THE FUNDING THAT GOES.
BUT WHAT ARE THE STEPS YOU SAID? IS THAT INCLUDING WITH OUR CITY MANAGER, SHE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT BECOME BEFORE THIS BOARD FIRST.
SO DO THEY UNDERSTAND WHY THEY'RE COMING TO THIS BOARD FIRST? BECAUSE IF YOU'VE IF YOU'VE LAID OUT EVERY OTHER PROCESS OF WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO.
AND BY THE WAY, THERE'S THIS OTHER BOARD THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GO TO.
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RESPONSIBILITY WAS.BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? WHAT COMMUNICATION WAS BEING RESPONDED, WHAT WAS RECEIVED? YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY DIDN'T RECEIVE IT CORRECTLY.
AGAIN, I COULD GIVE THEM BROCHURES, I COULD GIVE THEM EMAILS.
BUT THERE'S A POINT WHERE I CAN ONLY GO SO FAR.
YOU KNOW, THE INFORMATION WAS WHEN I HEARD WHEN THEY GOT HERE WAS AGAIN I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE.
HE DIDN'T HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING, BUT HE THOUGHT THIS WAS THE FINAL PRODUCT.
BUT THERE'S A POINT WHERE THE PERSON LEADING IT HAS TO BE THEMSELVES AS WELL.
AND THAT PROCESS MAYBE GOT BROKEN DOWN AGAIN A LOT OF TIMES AGAIN.
MAJORITY OF THESE PLACES YOU GOT TO BE CONCERNED BECAUSE TRAFFIC CALMING AS MUCH AS YOU SAW THE 20 PEOPLE WHO SHOWED UP, WHO WAS FOR IT, THERE'S 50 PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T SHOW UP THAT DON'T WANT. NO.
AND JUST RECENTLY WE HAD A SITUATION I HATE TO SAY IT.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE NOT AWARE, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF ISSUES WITH TRAFFIC ISSUES ON PINEAPPLE ACADEMY.
WE'VE HAD WE'RE GOING TO COME TO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A FOURTH MEETING.
THE TAXPAYERS MONEY AND THE CITY'S TIME INVESTIGATING THIS.
AND ONE LADY SPOKE AND SHE ALMOST GOT.
YOU KNOW, PD HAS STOOD UP, BUT THAT WAS HER AND SHE SAID IT CORRECTLY.
SHE SAID, I'M SPEAKING FOR PROBABLY 50 OF THEM AND SHE WAS PROBABLY RIGHT.
SO YOU GOT TO KEEP YOUR EARS IN TERMS OF WHO REALLY IS THE ISSUE HERE AND WHAT ARE THE ISSUES.
AND IN THAT SITUATION, THERE'S A COMMUNITY OUT THERE AND IT'S A LOT MORE COMMUNITY.
WE KNOW THE COMMUNITY IS WELL ESTABLISHED.
A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS, BUT THERE'S A BUNCH OF NEW LOCHMOOR COMMUNITIES.
THESE ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE NEW FAMILIES WHO HAVE KIDS AND THEY PREFER TO HAVE SCHOOL THERE AND THEY PREFER TO HAVE WHAT THEY SEE RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF THEY DON'T SEE IT AS, YOU KNOW. IMPACTED BY THE TRAFFIC IN THEIR COMMUNITY THEY EMBRACED.
THERE WAS SOME ZONING CHANGE OR SOMETHING FOR THAT.
AGAIN, THE SCHOOL WAS ALREADY ZONED THERE.
COMPLAINING ABOUT THE TURN LANE NOW IS.
ALL IT HAS TO DO IS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS AND THEN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SITE PLAN.
IT'S ALREADY ZONED, BUT IT HAD TO GO FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL, RIGHT? IT DOESN'T GO IN FRONT OF. IT DOESN'T GO IN FRONT OF COUNCIL.
IT GOES IN FRONT OF PNC. IT DOESN'T GO IN FRONT OF ANY KIND OF BODY EXCEPT FOR THE PNC.
JUST REAL QUICK. CAN YOU BRING SOME OF THOSE BROCHURES? BECAUSE YOU SAID WE HAVE BROCHURES THAT ARE CREATED.
I PASS IT OUT BEFORE AND I'LL MAKE SURE I'LL PASS IT OUT AGAIN.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE TRAFFIC CALMING POLICY? THE COMMENT. DO YOU WANT TO COME UP? BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST.
THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY CLASS ABOUT TRAFFIC CALMING WITHIN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.
IT TOOK THE RESIDENTS ALONG GAYNOR TWO YEARS TO PETITION THE CITY GOVERNMENT TO HAVE TRAFFIC CALMING SYSTEM INSTALLED ON GAYNOR ROAD.
IT TOOK CITY STAFF MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS OF MOVING THE SYSTEM, SETTING IT UP, TESTING AND GETTING A TRAFFIC DATA THAT WOULD COINCIDE WITH WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
AND THE TRAFFIC CALMING MECHANISM WAS PUT IN A COUPLE OF YEARS LATER.
A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT COMES IN AND WANTED TO USE THAT, WANTED TO BUILD ALONG THAT ROAD.
WELL, ALL OF A SUDDEN CITY COUNCIL SAID, WELL, WHY DON'T WE JUST REMOVE THE TRAFFIC CALMING MECHANISM THAT THE RESIDENTS PETITIONED, SUCCEEDED AND HAD IMPLEMENTED.
IT TOOK ONE COUNCIL MEETING, ONE VOTE TO HAVE IT TAKEN AWAY.
WHICH TOOK US YEARS OF ACTIVITY TO GET INSTALLED.
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MODIFICATION OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT IT.SO NOW THAT ROAD IS BEING OPERATED AS A COLLECTOR ROAD.
TO MAKE MATTERS WORSE, THEY'RE NOW EVEN PROPOSING PUTTING ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT ON GAINER.
ALSO THAT WILL BE APPEARING IN THE NEXT PNC MEETING.
RIGHT. SO MY QUESTION IS, SINCE YOU'RE SUBMITTING STATS, INFORMATION'S IN THE CALMING MECHANISM PROCESS THAT YOU ALSO SAY IT'S HARD FOR THE RESIDENTS TO GET IT.
IT REQUIRES ALL THEIR PETITION SIGNATURES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
THE COUNCIL MEETING TO TAKE IT AWAY, THAT IF THE RESIDENTS GO THROUGH THIS MUCH EFFORT TO ACCOMPLISH AN OBJECTIVE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, IT SHOULD BE JUST ABOUT AS HARD FOR THE COUNCIL TO TAKE AWAY THAT CALMING MECHANISM.
THAT'S THE FIRST STATEMENT I'D LIKE TO GET.
YOU CAN MAYBE SOMEHOW PUT IN THERE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT.
THE NEXT QUESTION PERTAINING TO THE CALMING MECHANISMS WAS POSTED SPEED LIMITS WITHIN PODS, RIGHT? THAT ARE ALL STILL TRAFFIC ROADS.
THEY LOOK LIKE THE THEIR LOCAL SPEED LIMIT SIGNS BEING POSTED IN THESE PODS.
SO I'M WONDERING IF THAT WAS ACTUALLY A LEGAL SPEED LIMIT.
IT MAKES SENSE TO GO SLOWER BECAUSE OF THE KIDS, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THAT'S WHAT SHOULD BE THERE BECAUSE NOW IT'S A LAW AND YOU'RE GETTING TICKETED WHEN YOU SAY, WELL, THESE ARE THE POSTED ROADS AND RESIDENTIAL.
AND I DON'T SEE THAT BECAUSE IT'S JUST A PUBLIC ROAD.
RIGHT. AND THEN THE NEXT QUESTION REVERTS BACK TO WHEN YOU'RE SAYING WHO GETS TO SIGN THE PETITIONS? I'M SAYING. BECAUSE IF, SAY, IF IT'S THE OWNER, THE OWNERS OF THE LOTS, 70% OF THE LOTS IN PALM BAY ARE VACANT LOTS AND THE PEOPLE AREN'T DON'T LIVE HERE.
THEY DON'T KNOW IS IT GOING TO BE OCCUPIED LOTS FOR TO HAVE THAT SIGNATURE.
OTHERWISE YOU'RE MAILING STUFF ALL OVER THE WORLD.
THOSE ARE THE THREE THINGS I'D LIKE TO BRING UP IN FOR OUR TRAFFIC CALMING MECHANISM.
GOOD LUCK TO YOU GUYS AND I APPRECIATE ALL YOU DO.
THE REASON WHY I SAY IS PRIVATE BECAUSE WE DON'T ALLOW SPEEDS THAT ARE NOT 30 MILES.
FLORIDA STATUTE. FLORIDA STATUTE SAYS ALL STREETS SHALL BE 30MPH.
YOU DON'T NEED TO POST A PRIMA FACIE FACE VALUE.
COUNTY ROADS HAVE HIGHER ONES, BUT MOST LOCAL ROADS, STATE STATUTES, 30MPH.
WE DON'T HAVE TO POST IT. HOWEVER, WE DO POST SIGNS JUST TO EDUCATE PEOPLE ON ANYTHING LESS THAN 30MPH HAS TO BE DONE WITH AN ENGINEERING SPEED SURVEY AND IT HAS TO BE DONE CORRECTLY. AND IF IT MEETS THE 85TH PERCENTILE, THEN YOU CAN RAISE RAISE IT OR LOWER IT BASED ON THAT SPEED SURVEY.
AND THAT'S THE ONLY WAY IT WILL STAY UP IN COURT THAT'S ENFORCEABLE BY FLORIDA STATUTE.
YOU CANNOT JUST GO OUT THERE AND POST A LOWER SPEED SIGN WITHOUT A SPEED SURVEY.
THEY'RE PRIVATE. RPD CANNOT GO IN THERE, ENFORCE IT.
IT'S NOT ENFORCEABLE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE TRAFFIC? OKAY. SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE, WHICH IS A PRESENTATION BY FPL ON THE STORM SECURE UNDERGROUNDING PROGRAM.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING US.
MY NAME IS AMY BONIA AND I LEAD THE CUSTOMER OUTREACH FOR SSP ACROSS THE STATE.
SO AS YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR, BUT MAYBE IF YOU'RE NOT, THE NEXT SLIDE IS REALLY IN THIS JOURNEY TO REALLY BUILD THE STRONGEST, SMARTEST, MOST STORM RESILIENT ENERGY GRID.
AND ONE OF THOSE INITIATIVES IS THE STORM SECURE UNDERGROUND PROGRAM OR LATERAL HARDENING PROGRAM.
SO WE STARTED WITH OUR TRANSMISSION STRUCTURES.
WE STARTED WITH OUR FEEDER LINES.
WE'VE EVEN INCORPORATED TREE TRIMMING SMART METERS.
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SO ALL OF THESE ENCOMPASS THE LARGER JOURNEY THAT FPL HAS EMBARKED ON.NEXT SLIDE. SO TO PUT IT INTO PERSPECTIVE, IN CASE YOU HAVEN'T HEARD ABOUT OUR PROGRAM IN THE PAST, THE FIRST LINES ARE OUR TRANSMISSION LINES, WHICH I MENTIONED ARE 100% COMPLETION.
WE'VE TRANSITIONED TO ALSO OUR FEEDER LINES, WHICH ARE ALMOST NEAR ITS COMPLETION OF BEING HARDENED.
SO EVERYTHING WILL BE SPEAKING ABOUT TODAY IS THE UNDERGROUNDING OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD LINES THAT ARE TYPICALLY IN THE REAR OF A CUSTOMER'S PROPERTY, SOMETIMES IN THE FRONT OF BUT MOST TYPICAL IN THE REAR OF.
NEXT SLIDE. SO THE BIG QUESTION WE TYPICALLY GET IS, WELL, WHEN IS IT MY TURN? AND THE REASON WHY WE'RE HERE IS BECAUSE ALL OF THE FIGURES AND LATERALS THAT WE'VE DETERMINED TO BE UNDERGROUND IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY HAVE ACTUALLY MET THIS RELIABILITY CRITERIA. AND IT IS THE SAME RELIABILITY CRITERIA THAT WE USE TO SELECT PROJECTS ACROSS THE ENTIRE STATE.
SO WE LOOKED AT POWER LINE PERFORMANCE DURING PREVIOUS STORMS SUCH AS IRMA, MATTHEW, MICHAEL, WE LOOKED AT THE VEGETATION RELATED RELIABILITY DATA SINCE THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD LINES THAT ARE TYPICALLY IN THE REAR OF A PROPERTY TYPICALLY ARE MORE SUSCEPTIBLE TO THOSE VEGETATION IMPACTS.
SINCE YOU HAVE TREES, YOU COULD HAVE BRANCHES THAT COULD POTENTIALLY CAUSE AN OUTAGE.
AND THEN WE LOOKED AT THE POWER LINE PERFORMANCE OF THOSE LINES IN JUST A REGULAR BLUE SKY DAY.
TYPICALLY THAT'S ALSO WHERE YOU COULD SEE SOME OF THOSE IMPACTS.
IT'S ONE OF THE LARGEST AREAS OF WORK THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING IN OUR NORTHERN TERRITORY.
SO VERY THANKFUL FOR THE PARTNERSHIP THAT WE'VE RECEIVED FROM THE CITY OF PALM BAY.
YOU CAN SEE THAT IT ENCOMPASSES A LARGE PORTION, BUT WE'LL SHOW YOU ON THE NEXT SLIDE IS THE PROGRESS OF WHERE WE'RE AT. SO BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO TO JOSH, WE HAVE BEEN PARTNERING WITH THE CITY OF PALM BAY REALLY SINCE ABOUT 2018, 2019.
IN 2022, WE STARTED THE NEXT PHASE WHERE WE WERE WITH OUR CUSTOMER OUTREACH.
WE WERE COMMUNICATING WITH RESIDENTS, OBTAINING THE PROPER AGREEMENTS.
YES, MA'AM. SO, GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
AS MY COLLEAGUE SAID, MY NAME IS JOSH PYLES.
I'M THE ENGINEERING LEAD FOR THE NORTH REGION.
IT'S AN EXCITING TIME FOR THE CITY OF PALM BAY.
WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO WITH OUR PROJECT IN 2023, WE'RE PROJECTING 6880 CUSTOMERS WILL BE CONVERTED.
AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'RE AT 37.4 MILES WITH 50.1 LEFT OF OVERHEAD LINES TO REMOVE.
I LIKE TO POINT OUT IS THAT'S 52 PERMITS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED AND 54 HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED.
SO WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH A COUPLE REVISIONS ON A COUPLE OF THOSE.
FOR 2024, WE'RE PROJECTING ANOTHER 2790 CUSTOMERS TO BE CONVERTED WITH 53.8 MILES AND 132 LATERALS.
SOME OF THESE PERMITTING PERMITS FOR THIS PROJECT WE WILL START TO SEE THIS YEAR AS WE TYPICALLY START OUR PERMITTING THE YEAR IN ADVANCE. SO RIGHT NOW, ALL OF OUR 2023 WORK IS PERMANENT EXCEPT FOR THE TWO, LIKE I SAID, WHICH WE'RE WAITING ON COMMENTS.
BUT FOR 2024, PROJECT PROJECTS WILL START THOSE, THOSE PERMITTING LATER THIS YEAR.
THIS IS THE TEAM FOR THE NORTH REGION.
JACOB VINADER IS THE PROJECT MANAGER.
HE OVERSEES THE CONSTRUCTION MYSELF, OBVIOUSLY THE ENGINEERING LEAD.
KURT PIERCEY WORKS WITH AMY AS THE CUSTOMER OUTREACH LEAD FOR THE AREA.
AND THEN ADRIAN JAMES IS THE PRODUCTION LEAD, WHO IS WORKING WITH THE CREWS DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS.
THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE FOR OUR UPDATE.
DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
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THE LINES UNDERGROUND.HOW DOES IT AFFECT IS IT AFFECTED BY FLOODING, ANYTHING LIKE THAT? SO, YES, WE WE CONSIDER WE USE A FEMA 100 YEAR FLOOD MAP TO IDENTIFY AREAS OF FLOODING.
WE ALSO TALK TO OUR CUSTOMERS TO HELP IDENTIFY LOW LYING AREAS DURING OUR INITIAL WALK THROUGH WITH THE WITH THE DESIGNERS. WE'LL IDENTIFY THESE LOW LYING AREAS.
WE HAVE SOME ALTERNATIVES SUCH AS RAISED PADS TO TO HELP MITIGATE THAT.
BUT WE WE TRY TO DESIGN AROUND ANY A LOW LYING AREAS.
YEAH, I WAS BY MY MOM'S HOME THIS EVENING AND YOUR GUYS WERE ON THE ROAD DOING THE WORK.
WIRES UNDERGROUND TO THE FRONT.
SO ARE THEY GOING TO TAKE DOWN THOSE BACK CONNECTION TO THE POWER GRID? YES, YES. SO SO A LOT OF THESE LATERALS, THEY WERE REAR OF.
RIGHT. THE PLAN IS TO BRING ALL OF THIS STUFF ACCESSIBLE.
SO THE NEW CONNECTIONS, IF IT WAS AN EXISTING UNDERGROUND SERVICE FROM THE REAR OF, YEAH, WE WOULD REROUTE IT TO THE FRONT WITH ACCESSIBLE UNDERGROUND FACILITIES. IF I CAN ADD TO THAT, WE APOLOGIZE.
I THINK WE OVER ASSUMED THE KNOWLEDGE OF OF THE VISUAL ASPECT OF OUR CONSTRUCTION.
BE GOOD. YEAH. SO YOU ALL WERE OUT AND WE STILL HAVE THE LATERALS IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, BUT I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WE WERE ALREADY CONNECTED TO UNDERGROUND UNTIL SOMEBODY CAME OUT AND WAS JUST ASKING HOW THINGS WERE GOING.
AND THEY SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T WAIT TO START.
AND THEY SAID, NO, IT'S YOU'RE THERE, BRO.
BECAUSE THEN THEY SHOWED HOW LIKE IT'S ALREADY CUT.
AND IT'S LIKE, NO, AS YOU SEE, YOU'RE NOT CONNECTED.
AND WE WERE LIKE, OH, WELL, OKAY.
I IN SOUTH FLORIDA, I SAW A DRASTIC DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAD UNDERGROUND VERSUS THOSE THAT DIDN'T, PARTICULARLY DURING THE HURRICANE TIME, BECAUSE WE WERE IN AN AREA THAT THE POWER LINES CAME DOWN AND WE WERE WITHOUT POWER FOR ABOUT THREE WEEKS.
AND MY EX BROTHER IN LAW, WHO WAS IN A VERY NICE AREA, THEY WERE ALREADY ON THE GROUND.
THEY LOST POWER FOR FIVE MINUTES.
SO THERE WAS A DRASTIC DIFFERENCE IN WHICH WE STAYED THERE.
BUT SO I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE GREAT FOR THE RESIDENTS HERE.
SO IN THIS CASE, YOU'RE GOING TO COME BACK AND REMOVE THAT LINE FROM THE REAR OF THE HOUSE.
COLD AND EVERYTHING YOU GOT HAVE THAT.
SO LET ME CLARIFY A LITTLE BIT.
SO WHEN WE DO THE UNDERGROUND CONVERSION, WE TYPICALLY DO IT IN THREE DIFFERENT PHASES.
THEN WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE MAKE ALL THE PROPER CONNECTIONS.
AND THEN THE LAST PHASE IS ACTUALLY REMOVING THOSE OVERHEAD LINES.
NOW THE POLES, IF THEY ARE A JOINT USE POLE, MEANING THERE'S OTHER TELECOMMUNICATION FACILITIES MAY NOT GO AWAY, BUT WE ARE IN CONSTANT COMMUNICATION WITH THE OTHER UTILITIES AND ACTUALLY SHARE MAPS AND OUR CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR UP TO TWO YEARS IN ADVANCE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COLLABORATE ON EITHER THE VACATING OF THAT POLE OR THE ULTIMATE ACQUISITION AND TRANSFER TO OTHER UTILITIES.
THAT WAS A QUESTION MY MOTHER ASKED.
SHE WAS SAYING, ARE THEY GOING TO REMOVE THE POLES? SHE WAS SAYING THE PHONE LINES.
EVERYONE IN THE POOL. SO WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN? SO YOU JUST CLARIFY THAT, CORRECT? YES. AND I'M ASSUMING THAT BECAUSE YOU ALL SHARE THAT INFORMATION, THAT'S WHY WE SEE THE.
YEAH. YOU KNOW, I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHAT THE OTHER UTILITIES ARE DOING.
BUT OUR FOCUS, OF COURSE, IS MAKING SURE THAT WE BRING THAT IMPROVED RELIABILITY TO OUR CUSTOMERS.
SOMEBODY ELSE ALSO ON THE PHONE AND THEY MAY NOT WANT TO TAKE THE CALL.
YEAH, HECTOR MIGHT BE SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO GO UNDERGROUND TO.
THEY DON'T WANT TO BE BOTHERED WITH THAT.
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AND I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT AGAIN, BECAUSE WE DO, WE'RE DOING A LOT OF PROJECTS JUST TO HIGHLIGHT THE NOT ALL THE POLLS ARE GOING GIVE YOU A HEADS UP.A GOOD MAJORITY OF OUR FPL, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF POLLS IN PALM BAY THAT ARE ARE AT&T.
AND SO WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHO WE NEED TO CONTACT.
AND SO MANY YEARS AGO WE HAD THE LIGHT PUT UP IN ITS FACING IN OUR DIRECTION.
AND SO WITH, WITH ALL THAT GOING AWAY, I KNOW THAT WAS THE QUESTION WHERE THEY SAID IF PEOPLE STILL WANT THE LIGHT, THEN I THINK THAT THEY WERE STILL KEEPING THE POLL, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. BUT FOR US, I'M LIKE, NO, GET RID OF THE POLL.
WE'LL GET A FLOOD LIGHT. I DON'T.
SO THAT'S ACTUALLY A REALLY GOOD POINT.
WHEN WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE STRUCTURE AND HOW THAT LIGHT IS ACTUALLY BEING SERVICED.
RIGHT. IT'S WITH OUR ELECTRIC LINES ESSENTIALLY GOING UP THE POLE AND FEEDING THAT LINE.
THANK YOU GUYS FOR THE INFORMATION.
I APPRECIATE IT. APPRECIATE IT.
HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. OH, I'M SORRY. MR. JACK, COME ON UP. I APOLOGIZE.
CALL HER OUT. BUT I WAS TRYING TO BE POLITE.
THIS WAS A QUESTION THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE TO ANSWER.
I'M NOT SURE THAT GENERATED THREE QUESTIONS.
RIGHT. THE FIRST ONE IS BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO GET SOME DEVELOPMENT GOING IN IN THE COMPOUND AREA.
THERE'S CURRENTLY NO UTILITIES RUN OUT THERE, IF THEY MIGHT BE IF THEY'RE AT LEAST THINKING ABOUT RUNNING INTO THE COMPOUND AREA BEFORE WE INSTALL THE POLES AND EVERYTHING ELSE BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE A PUSH TO START GETTING STUFF OUT THERE.
THAT'S THE FIRST QUESTION, RIGHT? THE SECOND QUESTION WAS, IF YOU'RE CURRENTLY IN A FLOOD ZONE, WHAT IS A OR WHATEVER IT IS, DOES THAT MEAN THAT THEY PROBABLY WILL NEVER BE PUT IN UNDERGROUND UTILITIES IN.
RIGHT. AND THEN THE SECOND QUESTION WAS SORRY, YOU SAID I SAID SECOND.
THIRD QUESTION IS ON ON THE POLES.
LIKE YOU WERE BRINGING BRINGING THEM UP.
THE LIFE EXPECTANCY OF THE POLES IS A CERTAIN NUMBER OF YEARS WHEN THEY START DETERIORATING AND THEN THEY BECOME FALL HAZARDS AND STUFF LIKE THIS OR WHATEVER.
WHAT POINT DO YOU SAY, WELL, AT&T STILL HAS THEIR WIRE ON IT, BUT.
THOSE ARE JUST SOME QUESTIONS I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT.
THANK YOU. SO I THINK I REMEMBER THE QUESTIONS. THE FIRST ONE WAS FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND HOW.
YEAH, SO, SO WE CONSIDER FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IN OUR PROGRAM, RIGHT? WE ARE A LATERAL HARDENING GROUP, BUT WE DO WANT TO CONSIDER FUTURE DEVELOPMENT WITH, WITH OUR DESIGNS WITHIN REASON, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE WILL CONSIDER NEW.
SO WE'RE NOT TRYING TO TAKE FACILITIES AWAY AND TAKE POWER AWAY FROM THESE PROPERTIES.
THE SECOND QUESTION WAS FLOOD ZONES.
SO YES, WE HAVE TO LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER FLOOD ZONES.
IT WOULD JUST DEPEND ON HOW LIKE WHAT IS WHAT IS CONSIDERED FLOODED THERE.
WE HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE TO THE REGULAR PAD.
SO, I MEAN, IF IT WAS SEVERE FLOODING, THEN POSSIBLY THAT AREA, IF THERE WAS A SITUATION WHERE WE COULD NOT UNDERGROUND, WE WOULD OVERHEAD HARDEN THOSE FACILITIES. WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY PAD? WHAT IS A SO SO THE PAD IS THE CONCRETE STRUCTURE THE TRANSFORMER SITS ON.
YEAH. SO AND THE NEXT STEP UP IS 16 INCH AND THEN 24 INCH.
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YOU KNOW, WE WORK WITH, WITH OUR OUTREACH GROUP TO SHOW THE CUSTOMERS WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE WHEN THEY HAVE A 24 INCH PAD.BUT THOSE ARE SOME OF THE OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE TO MITIGATE.
SO AND JUST TO CLARIFY, JUST THE THE PROPENSITY TO POTENTIAL FLOODING DOESN'T NECESSARILY NEGATE THE POSSIBILITY FOR THAT COMMUNITY TO BE UNDERGROUND. THAT'S WHERE WE AS AS JOSH WAS MENTIONING, LOOK AT WHAT THE OPTIMAL TRANSFORMER LOCATION MAY BE.
SO OUR OPTIONS ARE WE CAN INCREASE THE SIZE OF THE PAD.
HOW THE TRANSFORMER ITSELF IS BUILT HAS A TECHNOLOGY AND INSULATION TO PREVENT WATER INTRUSION.
OUR HDP AS WELL IS AVOIDS THE CORROSION.
SO WE HAVE MULTIPLE TECHNOLOGIES.
WE LOOK AT ALL OF THE FLOOD PLAINS, CUSTOMER OUTREACH INFORMATION.
WE ARE ACCUSTOMED TO TRANSFORMERS BEING IN THE IN THE EAR OR FEAR OF ELECTRICITY.
HOW IS IT IN TERMS OF ELECTRIC SHOCK? DANGEROUS TO THE COMMUNITY BEING UNDERGROUND? SO GOOD QUESTION.
AND I'LL DEFINITELY FOLLOW UP WITH WITH THAT VISUAL BECAUSE I THINK WE ERRONEOUSLY SUBMITTED THAT.
SO THAT AERIAL TRANSFORMER IS REPLACED WITH A PAD MOUNTED TRANSFORMER.
SO THE TRANSFORMER ITSELF DOES NOT GO UNDERGROUND.
SO IT PREVENTS ANY TYPE OF ISSUES.
AND IT PREVENTS OBVIOUSLY HAS PLENTY OF SAFETY LABELS AND INFORMATION.
AND WE TYPICALLY LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S IN A LOCATION THAT NOT ONLY IS ACCESSIBLE FOR OUR CREWS TO SERVICE, BUT IS OUT OF THE WAY OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, YOU KNOW, TYPICAL TYPICAL AREA.
NO MORE FREE FIREWORKS DURING HURRICANES? NO. WELL, THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS, SO I KNOW ALONG THE LAGOON THERE ARE CERTAIN IN THAT AREA WHERE FLOODING CAN HAPPEN AND IT CAN AFFECT THE LAGOON.
ONCE YOU'VE DESIGNATED AN AREA TO WHERE YOU SAID, HEY, WE'VE LOOKED AT WHAT FEMA SAID AND WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, BUT IF THEY'VE MADE DRASTIC CHANGES STRUCTURALLY TO HELP MITIGATE FLOODING AND IT WORKS, THEN IS IT SOMETHING YOU'RE GOING TO COME BACK IN AND SAY, OKAY, WELL, NOW WE CAN BECAUSE WE DON'T CONTINUE TO SEE THE SAME ISSUES? OR IS IT WE WERE HERE, WE'RE DONE.
AND SO. SO I THINK I CAN START MAYBE IF YOU WANT TO ADD.
THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT WE TRY TO OBTAIN INFORMATION ABOUT PROGRAMS SUCH AS THAT.
NOW, IN THE FOLLOWING YEAR, AS WE FINISH PERMITTING AND AS WE GO INTO CONSTRUCTION, WE TYPICALLY DO WHAT WE CALL A PRE-CONSTRUCTION PRE-CONSTRUCTION WALKTHROUGH TO ACTUALLY ASSESS HAS ANYTHING CHANGED? HAS THERE BEEN EVEN A NEW FENCE TO WHERE WE THOUGHT THAT OUR TRANSFORMER WAS GOING TO GO? ARE THERE ANY NEW HOMES RIGHT THAT WE PLANNED FOR NOW ARE ACTUALLY THERE.
NOW, IF THERE IS A PROGRAM THAT I THINK TO YOUR EXAMPLE, MEGA, GIGA AND EVEN REDUCE THE FLOODING RISKS, AND I THINK IT EVEN HELPS US MORE, RIGHT, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN ALREADY CONSERVATIVE AND PLAN FOR THAT.
BUT WE DO TRY TO ADAPT, YOU KNOW, WITHIN WITHIN REASONS AND OF COURSE, WITHIN OUR PERMITS.
ARE WE GOING TO TRY TO GET UTILITIES OUT NEXT MONTH? I KNOW. WHEN DID CHRIS SAY HE WAS AVAILABLE FROM.
THE PRIORITY RIGHT NOW IS FOR OUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS JULY 24TH.
THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS IS NOT AVAILABLE, SO SO THAT MEETING WILL HAVE TO BE MOVED.
SO THE QUESTION WE HAVE WOULD BE, ARE YOU AVAILABLE ON THE 31ST, WHICH IS THE FOLLOWING MONDAY? LOOK AT MY CALENDAR AND BEYOND THAT WOULD BE I WOULD JUST SAY WE JUST PUSH IT OFF TO AUGUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO START, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO FIND ANOTHER COUNCIL.
THIS OPEN. SO WE'RE NOT HAVING JULY 24TH? NO, THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS IS ALREADY BEING USED.
IT'S NOT AVAILABLE FOR OUR BOARD.
31ST. I THINK I'M FINE AS WELL.
IT'S JUST THE FOLLOWING MONDAY.
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IF YOU SHOOT AN EMAIL BECAUSE FOR THE REST OF THE COUNCIL THAT'S NOT HERE AND YOU KNOW WE CAN DO IT.WE'LL LOOK AT THE MONDAY, THE 31.
AND IF THAT'S DOABLE, IT'S DOABLE.
AND IF IT'S NOT, THEN WE'LL GO FOR NO MEETING IN JULY AND JUST GO RIGHT INTO AUGUST.
AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE A PRESENTATION ON THE MICRO SURFACING BECAUSE I NEED TO GET THAT IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS TO GET YOUR ENDORSEMENT BECAUSE THEN I WOULD LIKE TO THEN TAKE IT TO THE NEXT STEP AFTER THAT WITH THE CITY MANAGER IF NEED BE, TO COUNCIL BECAUSE THE STAKEHOLDER.
ARE WE OKAY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS MICRO SURFACING BECAUSE IT WAS SUCH A SENSITIVE ISSUE BEFORE? I DO WANT TO GET THEIR SUPPORT, BUT I KNOW FROM THE STAKEHOLDER MEETING THEY WERE SUPPORTIVE OF, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST TRYING IT AND SEE WHERE IT GOES.
WHEN WE WAS A WARM WEATHER THAT CAUSED A PROBLEM.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO GET THEM ON BOARD AND DO A DEMO SOMETIME MAYBE IN NOVEMBER WHEN IT'S COOLER.
AND IF IT WORKS OUT, THEN KEEP GOING DOING MORE STREETS DURING THE COOLER MONTHS.
THAT'S WHY IT'S KIND OF IMPORTANT TO GET YOU GUYS TO HAVE THAT PRESENTATION.
SO DO WE GET THERE? SLOWLY GETTING THERE.
BUT SO WE'LL LOOK AT THEN THE 31ST.
WE'LL SEND AN EMAIL OUT WITH YOUR ENDORSEMENT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ANY ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO BRING UP? TO DISCUSS? NOTHING.
YOU GOT THE MINUTES, CHRISTINE.
THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.