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OK. I'M GOING TO BRING THIS JOINT MEETING OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE ADVISORY

[CALL TO ORDER]

BOARD AND OVERSIGHT BOARD WITH THE COUNCIL TO ORDER. THERESA, ROLL CALL.

OK WITH THAT I GUESS I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE BEFORE WE GET GOING HERE. COUNCIL AND BOARD MEMBERS. DO YOU WANT TO ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK NOW OR TO SPEAK AFTER THE DISCUSSION. YOU KNOW WE REGULARLY DO IT AFTER BUT IT'S GONNA BE ONCE NOT TWICE. SO DO YOU WANT TO DO IT AT THE FRONT END OR IN THE BACK END AFTER THEY HEAR EVERYTHING. MY VIEW IS WE DO IT AT THE BACK END THAT WAY WE GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO COMMENT ON WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED. MAKES MORE SENSE. OK. THAT'S ALWAYS WE'VE DONE IT.

SO OK. YES. IS IT POSSIBLE DO IT AFTER PRESENTATION BUT BEFORE COUNCIL DISCUSSION OR BEFORE THE COUNCIL BOARD DISCUSSION. OR ARE YOU SUGGESTING DO IT AFTER OUR DISCUSSION AFTER THE DISCUSSION IS WHAT WE'VE DONE. THEN IT KEEPS IT A LITTLE BIT MORE IN LINE. AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE SET THE TONE TODAY. OK. I KNOW THE ADVISORY BOARD HAS DONE A LOT OF WORK HERE. AND THEY'VE PROVIDED US WITH INFORMATION. AND THE REASON FOR THIS MEETING IS THAT COUNCIL FELT THAT THEY HAD SOME QUESTIONS NOT THAT THEY DIDN'T SUPPORT SOME OF THE DECISIONS THAT YOU CAME TO IT'S JUST THAT THEY HAD SOME QUESTIONS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ADVISORY BOARD UNDERSTANDS THAT FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE FOR MYSELF, I THOUGHT THAT ONCE YOU WENT AND DID YOUR DELIBERATION AND DISCUSSION AS TO WHAT ROADS ARE NOT ROADS THAT THAT WE WERE GOING TO MEET PRIOR TO IT BEING INTRODUCED BUT I GUESS IT CAME THE CHICKEN BEFORE THE EGG AND ALL THAT STUFF. SO I DON'T THINK THAT THIS MEETING IS A REFLECTION THAT YOU DID ANYTHING WRONG. I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE. HOPEFULLY THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE COUNCIL KIND OF TAKES IT INTO CONSIDERATION AND WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. AND THAT WE'RE NOT HERE UNTIL 9:00 AT NIGHT.

BECAUSE I THINK YOU DID SOME GOOD WORK IN REGARDS TO THE SUGGESTIONS THAT YOU MADE TO THIS COUNCIL. NOW IT'S UP TO US TO MAKE THE DECISION. AND MOVE FORWARD. SO WITH THAT. PHIL I WANT TO OPEN IT UP AND ALLOW YOU TO SAY A FEW WORDS. THANK YOU, MAYOR.  [INAUDIBLE]  [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] NOW WITH THAT I'M GOING TO TURN IT

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OVER FOR BUSINESS ITEM NUMBER ONE THE DISCUSSION OF ROAD PAVING PROGRAM PRIORITIES FOR YEAR 1 TO OUR CITY MANAGER LISA MORRELL. THANK YOU MAYOR. WE HAVE A NEW PRESENTATION FOR TONIGHT. IT'S THE SAME INFORMATION JUST A LITTLE MORE DETAIL.

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JUST FOR THE CONSIDERATION AND EQUITY OF EVERYBODY THAT'S ATTENDING AND THE BOARD AND THE COUNCIL. SO IF YOU'D LIKE WE CAN BRING UP OUR FRANK WANTANABE PRESENTING THIS EVENING. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO HIM. OK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU LISA. AGAIN MY NAME IS FRANK WATANABE I'M THE ENGINEERING MANAGER. I HAVE A PRESENTATION TONIGHT. I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH SOME SLIDES. WE WENT THROUGH THIS BEFORE WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE ADVISORY BOARD BUT I'VE ADDED SOME MORE INFORMATION SOME MORE DETAILS SO I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT AGAIN. DOESN'T WORK. THANK YOU. OKAY. JUST SOME UPDATES FROM OUR LAST MEETING TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY. JUST HIGHLIGHTED FROM THE LAST INFRASTRUCTURE BOARD MEETING WE DIDN'T HAVE FOUR QUADRANTS AS WE TALKED ABOUT WE USED THE PREVIOUS 2016 PCI INDEX TO DETERMINE THOSE STREETS. WE'RE USING A FIVE YEAR PROGRAM THAT EXTENDS OUT TO EIGHT YEARS BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE FUNDING IS GOING TO COME. THE CONSTRUCTION IS ALL GOING TO BE DONE BY OUTSIDE CONTRACTORS. LET ME REPEAT THAT AGAIN. WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS WORK LIKE THIS ROAD PAVING ROAD CONSTRUCTION ARE SPECIALTY  CONTRACTORS. WE DO NOT HAVE AN IN-HOUSE. THOSE ARE ALL FARMED OUT TO CONTRACTORS.

THAT'LL BE DONE THROUGH RPS REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS. WE'LL GET BIDS AND OUTSIDE CONTRACTS WILL BID ON IT. HOPEFULLY WE GET SEVERAL CONTRACTORS BECAUSE WE HAVE SEVERAL PROJECTS. SO I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT. AGAIN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE YEAR ONE RIGHT NOW YEAR ONE WHICH WAS ENDORSED BY THE BOARD. AND WE'LL GO PRESENTATION. TODAY'S WORKSHOP WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOME BASIC INFORMATION ON THE FIVE TYPES OF PAVING REPAIRS. WE WANT TO GO BACK OVER THE YEAR ONE AND THEN WE WANT TO GO BACK OVER THE YEARS TWO THROUGH FIVE JUST TO EDUCATE EVERYBODY. HIGHLIGHT AGAIN ON THE IN-HOUSE DESIGN INSPECTIONS THAT WE WANT TO PROMOTE AND THEN TALK ABOUT THE SCHEDULE. SO WITH THAT THE NEXT SHEET. JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND DEFINITION ON ROADWAYS AND ROADWAY STRUCTURES. A BASIC ROADWAY HAS THREE COMPONENTS. IF YOU'RE NOT AWARE  ROADWAYS MOST ROADWAYS HAVE THREE CORE COMPONENTS. YOU HAVE A SUB BASE WHICH IS NATURAL MATERIAL. YOU HAVE WHAT THEY CALL A BASE COURSE WHICH IS USUALLY COQUINA ROCK. THEN YOU HAVE A FINAL THEY CALL IT A FINISHING COURSE WHICH IS YOUR ASPHALT AND THAT'S WHAT'S SHOWN IN THE LITTLE SKETCH ABOVE. AND THAT'S WHAT YOUR MAIN COMPONENTS ON ALL ROADWAYS YOU KNOW WHETHER IT'S A MAJOR FREEWAY OR LOCAL STREETS. THEN WE'LL BREAK IT DOWN IN TERMS OF WHAT'S A ROADWAY REPAIR NOT MAINTENANCE REPAIR. AND WE HAVE FOUR DIFFERENT CLASSIFICATIONS OF FOR REPAIR THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS A FULL DEPTH RECLAMATION. THAT'S WHEN YOU TEAR OUT THE ENTIRE ROADWAY FROM THE SUB BASE TO BASE AND THE ASPHALT, YOU TEAR IT ALL OUT. YOU PUT IT BACK IN. AND WHEN YOU PUT IT BACK AND YOU PUT IT ABOUT EIGHT INCH LIFT OF COQUINA ROCK SOLID BASE AND THEN A TWO INCH ASPHALT THAT'S THE STANDARD. IT GOES MAYBE THICKER MAYBE IT VARIES BASED ON THE SOIL CONDITIONS THAT WILL DETERMINE THAT WE GET UP THERE AFTER APPROVAL TO DO THE GEOTECHNICALS. A FULL DEPTH RECLAMATION IS WHEN YOU ONLY TAKE UP THE ASPHALT ON THE BASE AND IT'S A RECLAMATION SO YOU REUSE MATERIAL YOU REUSE THE ASPHALT YOU REUSE THE BASE YOU MIX IT UP. YOU ADD USUALLY CEMENT AND EMULSION TO MAKE IT STRONGER AND THAT BECOMES A NEW BASE COURSE. AND THEN YOU PUT NEW AC ON TOP OF THAT. SO THAT'S WHAT THE TWO DIFFERENT ROAD CONSTRUCTIONS YOU COULD SAY ARE THE OTHER TWO TYPES OF AC ARE MAINLY OVERLAYS. ONE IS WHERE YOU MILL OFF THE ASPHALT AND YOU PUT BACK IN A TWO INCH LIFT OF AC OR THE OTHER ONE IS JUST A VERY THIN LIFT OF ASPHALT WHICH IS AN INCH AND A HALF. SO THOSE ARE BASICALLY YOUR MAIN COMPONENTS. THE LAST ITEM I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS REJUVENATION. THAT'S MORE OF A MAINTENANCE REPAIR. AGAIN A MAINTENANCE REPAIR I MEAN A MAINTENANCE REPAIR. AND SO WHAT IT IS IS YOU GO AND TRY TO GIVE LONGEVITY TO YOUR LIFE YOU WANT TO ADD WHAT THEY CALL EITHER A FOG SEAL OR SOME SORT OF EMULSION ON TOP OF THE ASPHALT YOU SEEM THEM A LOT OF ROADS. YOU SPRAY IT ON AND IT DOES GIVES LONGEVITY FOR THE PAVEMENT WHERE TYPICAL ROAD PAVEMENTS MAY GO FROM 25 30 YEARS. WE PUSH IT OUT. THESE LONGEVITIES ONCE A ROADWAY HAS REACHED A CERTAIN POINT YOU CAN EXTEND THAT FOR A FEW MORE YEARS AND GET MAYBE ANOTHER 8 TO 10 YEARS FROM IT. IT'S BEEN PROVEN AGAIN AND AGAIN A LOT OF CITIES WHO CAN'T DO A FULL OVERLAY WHO CAN'T DO A FULL RECONSTRUCTION START DOING SOME REJUVENATION. SO THOSE ARE EASY WAYS. A NEW STYLE THEY CALL IT IS MICROSURFACING. IT'S ANOTHER STYLE THEY CALL REJUVENATION. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE IDEAS WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT. AND WE MOVE FORWARD. THE NEXT SLIDE WILL SHOW. BASICALLY THERE'S SOME PICTURES JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME EXPERIENCE. THESE PICTURES ARE PICTURES THAT I TOOK I DESIGNED AND OBVIOUSLY INSPECTED THESE PICTURES IN SEBASTIAN ST. SEBASTIAN THE FIRST ONE ON TOP SHOWS A FULL RECONSTRUCT OF WHAT THEY CALL BARBER STREET. WE DID THE ENTIRE BARBER STREET TORE IT OUT COMPLETELY PUT IT BACK IN. THE FAR SIDE SHOWS ANGLER WHICH WAS ANOTHER MAJOR ARTERIAL. FDR. SAME THING. TEAR IT OUT PUT IT BACK IN. SO THOSE ARE ROADS THAT I'VE ACTUALLY BUILT INSTALLED CONSTRUCTED ON THE BOTTOM ARE ACTUAL MILLING PAVING THAT'S A MILLING MACHINE THAT WILL MILL THE MATERIALS OFF AND THEN YOU SEE THE PAVING. SO THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE DONE IN-HOUSE MYSELF AND STAFF HERE. SO WE HAD THE EXPERTISE TO SHOW YOU WHAT THOSE PROJECTS LOOK LIKE.

THE NEXT SLIDE KIND OF DESCRIBES WHERE WE HEADED RIGHT NOW WITH THE PROGRAM. THIS IS KIND OF A RECAP AGAIN WHERE WE WERE. AGAIN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SLIDES WE BUNDLED

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THEM INTO A FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITH FOUR QUADRANTS. WITH THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE 30 TO 50 MILLION DOLLARS DEPENDING ON WHICH YOU GUYS APPROVED. THE FIRST YEAR ONE HAD ABOUT 30 MILLION DOLLARS. BUT DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU GUYS WANT ADD AND SUBTRACT WE RANGE IT FROM 30 TO 50 MILLION DOLLARS. AGAIN WE'RE LOOKING AT LOCAL STREETS WITH FDR OR THIN LIFTS AND MAYBE SOME MILLING AND PAVING. THOSE ARE UP IN THOSE SHEETS WE'LL SHOW YOU LATER. AGAIN ALL COST ASSUMES A UNIFORM APPLICATION MEANING BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T BEEN OUT AND TO DO THEIR DETAILED DESIGN WE TAKE THE WORST CASE SCENARIO OF THE UNITS. IF THE UNIT LOOKS LIKE IT'S MAINLY IN BAD CONDITION. SO IT'S MAINLY FDR. WE ASSUME THE ENTIRE UNIT IS FDR WHICH WE KNOW IT ISN'T THE CASE. GOOD EXAMPLE GOOD EXAMPLE. I'VE BEEN OUT IN UNITS 31 32 EVEN THOUGH THERE'S A LOT OF BAD STREETS, THERE'S A LOT OF BAD STREETS. THERE'S STILL GOOD STREETS OUT THERE. YOU SUBTRACT OUT THOSE GOOD STREETS. THERE IS BETWEEN 20 TO 30 PERCENT OF STREETS AND THOSE AREAS THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO TOUCH. SO YOU START TO THINK OF THE MATH. YOU START LOOKING AT ALL UNITS WE HAVE A LOT MORE STREETS IN SAME SITUATION WHERE YOU WILL YOU SEE THEM ON MY MAP ALL FDRS. THEY'RE NOT ALL FDRS. IT CAN'T BE THAT BAD. AND IT ISN'T. AND SO I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT. THERE IS A PERCENTAGE IN THERE THAT SAYS WE'RE ASSUMING THEM ALL. EITHER AS THIN LIFTS ALL FDR. SO WE KNOW THAT'S NOT THE CASE. THAT'S WHY THIS IS FACTOR YOU CAN ADJUST AS YOU GO DOWN WITH THE PRICES. LASTLY AGAIN WE'RE LOOKING AT. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE AND IT'S DIFFERENT HERE IS WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THE PIPES ARE PUT IN BEFORE THE ROADS GET PAVED. THAT'S MAKES SENSE. YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE THE PIPES TO PUT IN, IF YOU DON'T PUT THE PIPES IN FIRST THEN WE HAVE TO COME BACK AND TEAR OUT THE STREETS. THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL. SO I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT ONE POINT AND THEN WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH ANOTHER DIFFERENT MAPS. WE HAVE WE SHOW YOU RIGHT NOW IN THE FULL MAP THE FIVE YEAR PLAN. THIS IS THE FIVE YEAR PLAN THAT SHOWS YOU ALL THE COLORS AND MAPS AND IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT THIS KIND OF SPREADS IT OUT FOR FIVE YEARS AND IT'LL TAKE US EIGHT YEARS TO CONSTRUCT. SO THIS IS KIND OF THE BIG PICTURE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE SO [INAUDIBLE] COVERS ALL THE STREETS COVERS ALL THE AREAS. THE FIRST YEAR IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE THAT WE CLICK THAT WILL SHOW YOU THE ONES IN BLUE THIS IS THE ONE THAT THE BOARD APPROVED. THIS IS THE ONE THAT IS ENDORSED AND SHOWN ON BLUE AND THEN SHOWN ON THE TABLE NEXT TO IT NOW ARE ALL THE UNITS. AND WITHIN ALL THE UNITS IT SHOWS YOU THE PCI THE AVERAGE PCI WHICH IS THE PAYMENT CONDITION ISSUE WHICH IS THE MILES OF EACH OF THE UNITS. IT SHOWS YOU THE REPAIR THAT'S REQUIRED EITHER FDR OR THIN LIFT. IT SHOWS YOU COST THAT WE GENERATED. A ROUGH COST. AND IT SHOWS YOU THE STEPS WHERE WE ARE AT. IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THESE 41 31 32 WE'RE IN PROCESS MEANING WE'RE IN DESIGN. RIGHT NOW 31 32, WE TOOK IT UPON OURSELVES PUBLIC WORKS. WE ARE NOW PRETTY CLOSE. 90% PLANS FOR THOSE AREAS RIGHT NOW.

AGAIN EVERYTHING COULD BE SHOVED. NONE OF THIS IS WASTED BECAUSE WE COULD ALWAYS SHOVE IT MOVE FORWARD LATER BUT JUST LETTING YOU KNOW. THOSE ARE IN DESIGN SEVERAL ARE ALREADY IN SURVEY. WE'VE GOT TO GET A SURVEY CREWS OUT THERE. SO WE'VE DONE THAT AS WELL. SO YOU CAN SEE IN THIS FIRST YEAR TO MAKE SURE WE HOPEFULLY GET OUT THERE BY JULY MORE LIKELY AUGUST WE'RE GONNA BE PAVING STREETS. SO THAT'S OUR FIRST ATTEMPT TO SHOW YOU WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE NEXT FEW SHEETS THEN AS WE CONTINUE ON JUST KIND OF GIVE YOU A SUMMARY. HERE'S YEAR TWO WHICH SHOWS YOU ALL IN YELLOW THIS STILL SPREAD OUT THROUGH THE CITY AGAIN HAS THE SAME TABLE. WE'RE LOOKING AT A TOTAL OF 30 MILLION FOR THIS. BUT THEN AGAIN SHOWS IT IS SPREAD OUT. CAN THESE BE TWEAKED IN FUTURE YEARS. ABSOLUTELY. SO ALL THIS CAN BE SHIFTED AROUND BECAUSE THERE IS MAPS RIGHT NOW THAT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO UNIFORMLY TRY TO SPREAD THE WORK OUT AND TRY TO MAKE IT EQUITABLE FOR ALL THE QUADRANTS. SO WITH THAT CAN WE GO ON TO YEAR THREE. SAME THING AGAIN WE SHOW YOU MORE AREAS THAT WOULD COME FOR THE CITY WITH THE SAME TABLE. YEAR FOUR. WE DO THE SAME THING [INAUDIBLE] HEADING TOWARDS THE NORTHERN AREAS BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HIT THOSE AS MUCH. JUST A HEADS UP UNIT 42 JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT UNIT 42. AGAIN THAT'S A DRAINAGE AREA THAT WE'VE BEEN ALREADY DOING DESIGN WORK AND CONSTRUCTION. SO THAT'S A TICKLER RIGHT NOW. THE REASON WHY IS BEFORE THIS ALL STARTED THE CITY ALREADY HAD PROJECTS GOING OUT, IT HAS TO WE HAD DRAINAGE PIPES BEING INSTALLED IN UNIT 42. SO DOES THAT MAKE SENSE POTENTIALLY THAT'S A GOOD AREA. MAYBE BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY DOING WORK IN THAT AREA. SO JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THEN FINALLY WE MOVE INTO YEAR FIVE WHICH IS THE PINK. I DO WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THERE WAS A LITTLE BOOBOO MADE EARLY ON THE NORTHERN HALF WHAT WE CALLED MELBOURNE IN THE NORTHEAST WHICH IS THE BIG PINK AREAS. THEY JUST WERE NOT CAUGHT IN THE FIRST GO AROUND. I GOTTA APOLOGIZE. IT WAS JUST NOT CAUGHT. THEY'RE IN THE SYSTEM. WE JUST HAD TO TURN THEM ON. WE JUST HAD TO ADD THEM TO THE LIST. SO THEY'RE TURNED ON THEY'RE ADDED TO THE LIST AND THAT'S HOW SIMPLE IT IS. SO IF THERE'S AREAS OR CONCERNS WE JUST ADD THEM TO THE LIST AND THIS COULD BE MOVED AROUND TWEAKED AROUND BUT JUST TO MAKE SURE THOSE AREAS NOW SHOWN AND THEY'RE ADDED TO THE LIST. WITH THAT I WANT TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE WHICH KIND OF HIGHLIGHTS NOW OUR DESIGN OPTIONS DON'T WANT TO SCARE PEOPLE OFF BUT IN THE TOTAL FIVE YEARS YOU KNOW YOU'RE LOOKING AT FOR THE LOCAL STREETS YOU GOT ABOUT  195 MILLION DOLLARS AND THEY SAY OH MY GOSH THAT'S 40 MILLION MORE THAN WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. REMEMBER I MENTIONED THAT WE'RE USING THE WORST CASE SCENARIO WHEN WE TAKE A UNIT AS I MENTIONED BEFORE UNIT 31 32. WHERE WE

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HAD ALL FDRS AND I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THERE'S ABOUT 20 PERCENT THAT WE'RE GOOD TO GO YOU START PULLING THOSE 20 PERCENTS OUT IN EACH OF THE ZONES. THAT'S WHY I SAY THERE'S A POTENTIAL OF A 40 MILLION DOLLARS PROBABLY MORE BECAUSE I HAVEN'T BEEN TO THE BETTER PARTS OF THE CITY. I'VE ONLY BEEN TO THE YEAR ONE. THAT'S WHY I PUT A 40 MILLION SAVINGS THAT REDUCES THAT OVERALL COST NOW TO 155 MILLION. SO NOW WE'RE CLOSE TO PAR. SO THOSE ARE THE ISSUES I'LL MAKE SURE TO ADDRESS. THERE COULD BE OTHER SAFETY FACTORS AS WELL. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I HIGHLIGHT THAT. THE OTHER ISSUE THAT WASN'T REALLY CAUGHT ON BUT WE NEED TO WORK ON THIS ARE OUR COLLECTOR STREETS. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE ADD THE 42 MILLION DOLLARS FOR OUR COLLECTOR STREETS AND THOSE ALL THOSE MAJOR STREETS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO THOSE ARE ISSUES AGAIN. THIS IS A WORKING PROCESS. EVERY YEAR WE'RE GOING TO TAILOR THIS AND TWEAK THIS AND TRY TO MAKE SURE WE GET THE BEST BANG FOR OUR BUCK. BUT THOSE ARE ISSUES THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'VE ADDRESSED NOW.

I'VE SHOWN SOME OPTIONS IN TERMS OF HOW WE CAN MAYBE DO SOME SAVINGS TO STRETCH UP THE 150 MILLION. AS I MENTIONED START DOING THE REJUVENATION EARLY ARE SAVING SOME OF THOSE PAVEMENT LIFES EARLY ON SO THEY'LL LAST LONGER. WORST CASE SCENARIO WE START SHRINKING THE ASPHALT DOWN FROM A 20 FOOT ROAD A TYPICAL LOCAL ROAD IS 20 FEET 10 10 FOOT LANES BUT A LOT OF CITIES HAVE LESS THAN THAT 18 FOOT IS ACCEPTABLE. A LOT OF PLACES WHERE I CAME FROM IN SEBASTIAN THEY'RE ALL 17 FEET ROADS. YOU'VE GOT PLENTY OF ROOM TO PARK PLENTY OF ROOM TO GET AROUND PLENTY OF ROOM FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES. BEST NEWS IS LESS PAVEMENT SO IT'S MORE OF A TRAFFIC CALMING IT'S BETTER FOR THE ENVIRONMENT. YOU DON'T HAVE THAT RUNOFF. BUT AGAIN I'M NOT SAYING YAY OR NAY. THOSE ARE OPTIONS, THAT TWO EXTRA FEET ADDS A LOT WHEN YOU START ADDING MILES. TWO EXTRA FEET OF ASPHALT COULD BRING IN SOME SAVINGS OR THE WORST CASES IS YOU BRING THE ASPHALT FROM A STANDARD TWO INCH AS I MENTIONED BEFORE TO AN INCH AND A HALF. IS THAT AN IMPACT? DEFINITELY USE YOU YOUR LONGEVITY TYPICAL ASPHALT MAYBE GIVE YOU 25 YEARS AND MAYBE 20-25 YEARS. NOW YOU CUT IT IN HALF BECAUSE YOU DROPPED THAT ASPHALT THAT ASPHALT IS YOUR PROTECTIVE LAYER. SO THOSE ARE ISSUES YOU KNOW WE HAVE TO START THINKING ABOUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD. AGAIN JUST BECAUSE OF THOSE NUMBERS WE SEE ON TOP HOW DO WE MAKE IT WORK. AND SO THOSE ARE SOME OPTIONS THAT WE CAN PLAY AND LOOK AT. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD AND THE COUNCIL COULD START LOOKING AT AND GIVE US DIRECTION. FINALLY THE NEXT SLIDE WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS JUST JUST A HIGHLIGHT IN TERMS OF WHERE WE WERE WHEN THIS BOMB WAS APPROVED. THIS IS A SNAPSHOT THAT CAME OUT OF THE ACTUAL VOTING. INFORMATION THAT SHOWS YOU THE 20 YEAR ANNUAL DEBT REPAY BACK WHAT THE ACTUAL ANNUAL COST WOULD BE THE MONTHLY COST AND THE PERCENTAGE. SO THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU IN A NUTSHELL WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN OCTOBER IN TERMS OF YOUR COST. SO I JUST WANT TO SHOW THAT UP THERE AND JUST IN THE LAST FEW SHEETS WE HAVE COMING AROUND THE CORNER IS THE ACTUAL ENGINEER IN-HOUSE DESIGN COST. THIS IS A SPREADSHEET THAT WE PROVIDED. NOW WE'RE GOING TO SHOW EVERYBODY WHAT WE'RE SHOWING RIGHT NOW. IF WE USE IN-HOUSE ENGINEERS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS JUST AS MYSELF AS A LEAD BUT WE'LL HIRE SOME ENGINEERS WE NEED TO HIRE SOME DRAFT PEOPLE WE NEED TO HIRE SOME INSPECTORS. WE NEED TO HIRE SOME SURVEYORS TOTAL 10 THAT WE WILL HIRE AS CITY EMPLOYEES WHO LAST WITH THE CONTRACT AND THAT WILL TERMINATE WITH THE CONTRACT. SO THESE ARE ONLY THE CITY EMPLOYEES CONTRACTED FOR THE PROJECT ONLY AND THAT'S ALL THEY'LL BE WORKING ON WOULD BE THE PAVEMENT PROJECT. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT 10 EMPLOYEES AND IF YOU DO ALL THE NUTS YOU RUN ALL THE NUMBERS AND YOU GET ALL THE VEHICLES. WE'RE LOOKING AT AN ANNUAL BASIS ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR. AND THAT IS NOT TOO BAD WHEN YOU FARMED IT OUT TO A CONSULTING COMPANY IT'S GOING TO COST YOU WAY MORE. I USED TO BE A CONSULTANT IT'S GOING TO COST YOU WAY MORE ON A PROJECT LIKE THIS. AND THE BEST THING ABOUT HAVING IN-HOUSE STAFF ESPECIALLY WITH THE ONES WE HAVE WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON YOU STORMWATER PIPES AS WELL. WE'RE GONNA BE WORKING ON OTHER PROJECTS SO THAT THERE'S SOME CONTINUITY THERE AS WELL. BUT JUST TO HIGHLIGHT WE HAD THE IN-HOUSE DESIGN COSTS SHOWN HERE WE SHOW YOU ALL THE PRICES SO IF THAT THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS. JUST TO PROVIDE AND HAVE AS IN-HOUSE FOR COST. AND WITH THAT THE NEXT SLIDE WILL SHOW YOU. THERE WAS A QUESTION CAME UP PORTABLE PLANTS SO I RESEARCHED THE RESEARCH AND I DON'T THINK THERE WERE BUT THERE ARE THEY DO MAKE PORTABLE ASPHALT PLANTS, THEY ARE DRUM PLANTS TYPICALLY YOU DON'T USE BATCH PLANTS ANYMORE. THIS COMPANY IS OUT OF TEXAS. THIS THIS IS A FULL BLOWN PORTABLE DRUM PLANT THAT GETS TRANSPORTED THAT YOU PAY A ONE TIME AND THEY BRING IT OUT AND THEY RENT IT YOU USE IT IT GENERATES ABOUT 300 TONS OF ASPHALT 300 TONS OF ASPHALT A DAY. THAT'S A LOT. THAT'S WHAT YOU USE FOR MAJOR MAJOR FREEWAYS BUT THERE IS A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THIS. I WAS SHOCKED. THIS OPERATION A YEAR FOUR MILLION DOLLARS TO RUN THIS SYSTEM. AND THEN THERE'S OTHER COSTS IN TERMS OF EPA ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES. BUT THIS THERE'S A THERE'S A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THIS BECAUSE THIS IS HIGH TECH THIS TYPE OF PLANT RUNS AND PROVIDES HIGH QUALITY ASPHALT LIKE YOU HAVE DOWN HERE. AND JUST TO GIVE YOU A HEADS UP WE HAVE PLANTS CLOSE BY. WE HAVE A PLANT IN MELBOURNE. WE HAVE TWO DOWN IN VERO BEACH. OUR LOCAL CONTRACTORS. THERE IS NO PROBLEM RUNNING TRUCKS YOU KNOW AT 300 TEMPERATURES TO GET THEM UP HERE THEY'LL STILL BE IN THE 200 RANGE. THEY LAY OUT THE

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ASPHALT. SO AGAIN WE HAVE LOCAL PLANTS CLOSE BY BUT WE LOOKED INTO A PORTABLE PLANT. BUT THE FOUR MILLION DOLLAR TICKET A YEAR I THINK TAKES AWAY A LOT MORE THE ASPHALT OFF THE ROAD. SO I THINK AGAIN WE LOOKED AT IT AND WE GAVE AN OPTION. HERE IT IS THE LAST SHEET I WANT TO SHOW YOU I THINK IS THE SCHEDULE AND THIS IS REAL IMPORTANT AGAIN THE SCHEDULE KIND OF HIGHLIGHTS WHERE WE'RE SITTING. THE YELLOW DOTS SHOWS YOU WHERE WE HAVE PUBLIC MEETINGS WE HAVE TO AWARD THE CONTRACT AND WE HAVE BOND VALIDATION. WE START IN MARCH. IF YOU GUYS MOVE FORWARD AND GIVE US DIRECTION. CRITICAL COMPONENTS REALLY IS THE PROCUREMENT WE HAVE TO GET THESE THINGS OUT TO AWARD AS MUCH AS DECISIONS HAS TO BE MADE SOON. AND I'M GETTING THE DESIGN DONE IN ADVANCE. WE GOT TO GET THE BIDS AWARDED OUT SO WE HAD THOSE LOCAL CONTRACTORS SELECTED ON BOARD AND READY TO START AS YOU SHOW I SHOW TWO TIERS. I'D LIKE TO START ONE IN THE PIPING IN MAY AND THE FIRST ONE IN JULY. THOSE ARE GOING TO BE VERY HARD RIGHT NOW. WHAT I'M LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW IF CAN GET THE MAIN ONE FOR THE PIPES MORE LIKELY THE PAVING WILL START AUGUST. IT'S MAINLY JUST BECAUSE THE PROCESS OF GETTING THE PIPES DONE FIRST. MAKING SURE WE GET IT ALREADY OUT OF THE WAY AND THEN WE GET OUR PAVING CREWS ON BOARD LOOKING LIKE AUGUST. BUT THE LONGER WE DELAY IT PUSHES THAT OUT. THAT'S JUST THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS WE HAD TO GO THROUGH THERE'S A PERIOD WHERE YOU HAVE TO AWARD IT YOU HAVE TO ADVERTISE IT OUT. I'M SAYING THERE'S A WHOLE PROCESS TO GET THAT BID OUT AND SELECTED AND THEN THE COUNCIL'S GOT TO APPROVE IT AND AWARD THAT CONTRACT AND WE'VE GOT TO GET THEM ON BOARD AND GET IT STARTED. AND RIGHT NOW WHAT WE'RE DOING FOR EVERY ONE OF THESE CONTRACTS RIGHT NOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT LIKE WE HAVE ONE ZONE WE'RE GONNA KEEP ONE CONTRACTOR AND NOT HAVE LIKE A TYPICALLY WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IS HAVE A CONTRACTOR ON CALL AND YOU DO A VARIETY OF PLACES. MAYBE NEXT YEAR. THIS YEAR WE JUST WANT TO GET IT GOING. SO WE CAN PICK OUT PROJECTS GET IT GOING GET IT OUT THERE. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO DO SO THAT'S THE SCHEDULE RIGHT NOW. IF YOU GO TO IT, HOPING TO HAVE STREETS STARTING TO PAVE IN AUGUST. THAT'S THE GOOD NEWS. SO WITH THAT THE LAST SHEET KIND OF SUMMARIZES WHAT WE HAVE. AGAIN WE HAVE A FIVE YEAR ROAD PROGRAM THAT WILL EXTEND OUT FOR EIGHT YEARS MAINLY BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRUCTION. WE'RE LOOKING AT DIVIDING THE CITY INTO FOUR QUADRANTS. WE'RE USING MULTIPLE CONTRACTORS SITE EACH QUADRANT AS I TALKED ABOUT THESE WOULD BE DONE BY PRIVATE CONTRACTORS THAT WILL GO ON THROUGH AN RFP PROCESS AND SELECT THEM. CONTRACTS WILL BE AWARDED AGAIN TO DO CONSTRUCTION FOR EITHER FDR, MILLING AND PAVING AND THIN LIFT OVERLAYS AND SAYING THOSE ARE AGAIN TO BE DETERMINED AS WE MOVE FORWARD INTO DESIGN. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AGAIN WE LOOKED AT THE POSSIBILITY OF A PORTABLE ASPHALT PLANT WHICH MAY NOT BE FEASIBLE NOW AND THEN AGAIN WE'RE LOOKING AT A TENTATIVE START DATE OF AUGUST. AND WITH THAT I THINK THAT ENDS MY PRESENTATION AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

OK. I THINK. AT THIS TIME SINCE COUNCIL IS THE ONES WITH THE QUESTIONS BUT I WANT TO ALLOW THE BOARD TO SPEAK FIRST BECAUSE YOU SENT THE PACKAGE TO US AND AND THAT'S WHAT BROUGHT US HERE. SO I THINK IT'S ALLOWED THE BOARD TO SPEAK ON HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH YOUR DECISIONS. THANK YOU MAYOR.  [INAUDIBLE] JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS. IF YOU COULD BACK UP TO THE SLIDE THAT SHOWED THE TITLED 20 YEAR ANNUAL DEBT REPAYMENT.

THAT WASN'T, I'M NOT A FINANCE PERSON I'M AN ENGINEER. OK. THE CITY MANAGER. [INAUDIBLE] NOT A SHOCK TO THE RESIDENTS IS THAT'S YEAR FIVE. THAT'S YEAR FIVE OF THE BOND DRAWS. CORRECT. FIRST YEAR IS GOING TO BE ONE FOURTH OF THAT AMOUNT. THAT'S RIGHT.  CORRECT. YEAH. OKAY. MY SECOND QUESTION IS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT. LOWERING THE TIMES TO PUT A PERMIT WITHIN THE CITY AND EVERYTHING THE EXCUSE IS ALWAYS THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ENGINEERS. NOW YOU'RE TELLING US YOU WANT TO GO OUT AND HIRE ENGINEERS WHEN WE CAN'T HIRE ENGINEERS TO GET PERMITS IN THE FIRST PLACE. SO I QUESTION I QUESTION IN-HOUSE ENGINEERING RATHER THAN PUTTING THE WHOLE THING OUT AS A PACKAGE DEAL. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. PERMITS BEING BUILDING INSPECTORS BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH HIRING BUILDING INSPECTORS. NOT NECESSARILY ENGINEERS. WHEN THEY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PAYING ENGINEERS OR THE SALARIES THAT THEY WANT BUT WE DO HAVE WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOME THAT ARE BEING FILLED NOW. I MEAN A CLASSIC EXAMPLE IS MALABAR ROAD. I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S NOT ENTIRELY THE CITY'S FAULT. BUT THERE IS AN ENGINEERING PROBLEM. THE WHOLE PROJECT ORIGINALLY COST 10 MILLION DOLLARS. NOW NEEDS A 9 MILLION DOLLAR FIX AND WE SPENT A MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS IN LEGAL FEES.

SO. NOW THE FIX IS GOING TO COST US MORE THAN THE ORIGINAL PROJECT BID AS A WHOLE. CORRECT. SO IT WAS COUNTY TURNED OVER THE ROAD WITH INSPECTORS FROM THE COUNTY NOT NECESSARILY THE CITY FOR THAT PROJECT. WE HAVE LOOKED AT SOME ALTERNATIVES. IT'S ESTIMATED THAT IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY IN THE E-MAIL 12 TO 14 MILLION DOLLARS TO A TRADITIONAL OPEN AND CUT. PUT IN THE DRAINAGE BOXES AND NEW THINGS WE ALSO NEW TECHNOLOGY KIND OF GET A BROAD ROUGH ESTIMATE THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO EXTRUDE AND

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TO STABILIZE THAT WITH THAT WITH LININGS WHICH IS MORE LIKE THREE TO FOUR MILLION DOLLARS. AND THEN THE LAST THING IS I STILL WANT TO SEE BIDS FROM THE CONTRACTORS FOR ENGINEERING. BECAUSE YOU CAN SAY IT'S CHEAPER ALL DAY LONG AND AS A BUSINESS MAN I'LL TELL YOU I CAN DO THE SAME JOB OR A BETTER JOB AND I CAN DO IT AT THE SAME PRICE OR I CAN DO IT CHEAPER BUT UNTIL I SUBMIT A BID FOR IT I DON'T HAVE TO LIVE BY THAT. WE CAN WE CAN ACTUALLY DO A BID FOR IT WHEN WE HAVE A PLAN WE CAN BID OUT THOSE ENGINEERING SERVICES JUST FOR A PRO CON. THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. WE UTILIZE THE 15 PERCENT MARGIN BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT OUR BASE WE BASE OUR BUDGETS ON AND HISTORICALLY IT USUALLY IS 15 PERCENT FOR CONSULTING SERVICES. BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY DO A BID FOR THAT AS WELL. THANK YOU.  [INAUDIBLE] FRANK. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE. I'VE GOT SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

[INAUDIBLE] IN SOME SENSE THEY'RE ALL THE SAME. WHAT IT IS YOU HAVE SMALL PIPES YOU HAD BIG PIPES HAVE CULVERTS YOU HAVE CANAL CROSSINGS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS ALL OUR ROADS HAVE SMALL PIPES AND MEDIUM SIZED PIPES AND SOME OF THEM HAVE SOME MAJOR CROSSINGS WHERE WE HAVE BIG CULVERTS AND THE CULVERTS YOU HAVE TO THEN GET PERMITS FROM OTHER AGENCIES LIKE TILLMAN. SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS UNDER THE DESIGN WE HAVE RIGHT NOW FOR OUR COLLECTORS THAT WE HAVE READY TO GO WE HAVE GARVEY YOU READY TO GO WE HAVE [INAUDIBLE] READY TO GO. WE'RE WORKING ON THE FINAL SET OF PERMITS FOR THOSE BOXES ON GARVEY BUT THEY'RE SEPARATE. AS I SHOWED YOU ON THAT SCHEDULE ALL THE PIPE PROJECTS EITHER THE CULVERTS OR THE SMALL PIPES ARE ALL SEPARATE. WE'RE KEEPING THEM ALL AS A SEPARATE DESIGN AND A SEPARATE CONSTRUCTION GOING OUT AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE ALREADY. AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS BOND ISSUE UNIT 3 WHICH I MENTIONED BEFORE WE HAD PIPE INSTALLATION GOING ON, THOSE ARE JUST PIPES. THOSE HAVE ALREADY BEEN OUT. WE HAVE ABOUT 14 PIPES ALREADY INSTALLED OF 26 WITH MORE THAN HALF DONE. SO WE'RE IN THAT PROCESS WE'RE ALREADY DOING NO MATTER WHAT. AS PART OF THE STORMWATER PROJECTS. SO STORMWATER WILL TAKE CARE OF STORMWATER.  ROADS WILL TAKE CARE OF THE ROADS BASICALLY THAT'S AS SIMPLE AS IT GETS.

[INAUDIBLE] THE DIFFERENCE? [INAUDIBLE] IF YOU TAKE THE SAME LET'S SAY MILE OF A MILL AND PAVE IT DEPENDS ON THE WIDTH OF THE ROAD BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU KNOW ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND RANGE COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT FDR ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE AREAS WE HAVE TO HAVE A LOT MORE CEMENT AND EMULSION BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S THE WATER TABLE THEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT HALF A MILLION DOLLAR RANGE. SO IT'S SOMETIMES DOUBLE TO THREE TIMES THE VALUE OF MILL AND PAVE. NEXT QUESTION IS [INAUDIBLE] THE THE ONES THAT WE HAVE IN AREAS THAT WE HAVE BEEN TURNED BACK INTO DIRT ROADS. I WOULDN'T CALL THEM TOTAL RECONSTRUCTION. THEY NEED TO HAVE A BASE AND AN ASPHALT SURFACE. I THINK THE GROUND HAS BEEN STABLE ENOUGH TO THE POINT WHERE WE DON'T HAVE TO TEAR OUT THE SUB BASE AND PUT THAT BACK IN. [INAUDIBLE] EXACTLY. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WAITING FOR REALLY IS ONCE WE GET THE APPROVAL AND A PLAN AND COUNCIL ENDORSED THAT PLAN THEN WE GET GEOTECHNICALS OUT THERE AND START BORING AND TESTING THE SOIL SO THEN WE KNOW WHAT WE HAVE.  [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] AND THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. THANK YOU.  OKAY. I'M GOING TO COME TO YOU BUT I WANT TO KEEP US TO THE POINT THAT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE HERE. I KNOW PEOPLE ARE ASKING QUESTIONS BUT MY QUESTION TO THE BOARD WAS YOU SENT SOMETHING TO COUNCIL IN REGARDS TO WHERE

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YOU WANT TO START WORKING ON THE ROADS. COUNCIL NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND HOW DID YOU COME TO THAT CONCLUSION OF THOSE PARTICULAR UNITS. THAT'S MY QUESTION.

THAT'S THE QUESTION I HAD. I KNOW THAT OTHER QUESTIONS AROSE BUT MY QUESTION WAS NOT ANSWERED BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL WANTS TO KNOW. HOW DID YOU COME TO THE CONCLUSION UNIT 31 32. AND SO ON AND SO ON. WHAT MADE YOU MAKE THAT DECISION. I GUESS I HAVE TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR IN ORDER FOR THE QUESTIONS TO STEER YOU IN THAT DIRECTION BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY. AND YOU ALREADY HAD ALL THIS DISCUSSION WITH STAFF. I WANT TO UNDERSTAND HOW DID YOU COME TO THAT CONCLUSION ON PICKING WHAT YOU DID. SO IF WE COULD STAY THERE THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND.

SO THEN COUNCIL COULD THEN ADDRESS SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS THAT THEY HAD DURING THE COUNCIL MEETING. THANK YOU. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.  [INAUDIBLE] THE WORST ROADS HAVE BEEN DONE FOR YEARS. IT'S NOT PERMITTED. TO. THEY. TAKE THE WORST ROAD INCLUDING. LISTEN TO. ME. THIS WAY. IS RECOMMENDED BY US. AND. SUBMITTED TO THE BOARD. AND. SUBMITTED BY PUBLIC WORKS. ADDRESSES. QUADRANTS. AND. IS.

IMPORTANT. BECAUSE WHEN PEOPLE STOP. WHOA. WHOA. WHOA. WHOA. WHOA. WHOA. WHOA.

WHOA. WHOA. WHOA. WHOA WHOA. LET ME TALK ABOUT SOMETHING. ELSE IN THE WORLD WANTS JEREMY. SO THE PRESENTATION WAS THAT THE STORMWATER PIPES HAD GOTTEN DONE IN SOME OF THESE UNITS THAT WERE BEING PROPOSED AND THE OTHER ITEM IS THAT IF YOU DID WANT TO GO AHEAD AND APPROVED SOME AREA TO FOCUS ON YOU KNOW YOU CAN SAY YOU COULD DELIBERATE BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT AREAS BUT YOU NEEDED TO CHOOSE SOMEPLACE TO START. AND THAT WAS PART OF THE PROGRAM THAT WE AGREED WITH THAT YOU GOT TO START THIS EXERCISE. AND THEN THE OTHER ITEM WAS LIKE WE SAID YOU NEEDED TO GET STARTED TO BE ABLE TO VERIFY THE COST ESTIMATES. AND I THINK THAT'S WHY I APPROVED WHAT WAS PRESENTED AT THE LAST MEETING. ANYONE ELSE? DAVID?MY UNDERSTANDING TALKING WITH MR. WANTANABE IN A PREVIOUS MEETING A LOT OF CONSIDERATIONS WERE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT IN DECIDING WHICH TO START FIRST.

ONE WAS SCHOOLS, CHURCHES THE FREQUENCY OF TRAFFIC AND CONNECTORS SO.

HE ASSURED ME BY CONSENSUS THAT THE THIS PLAN THAT HE PUT FORTH WAS VIABLE. SO I DIDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT.  [INAUDIBLE] MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCES IS I LIVE ON 41 AND OUR ROADS AREN'T THAT BAD. AND AS WE WERE OUT PROMOTING THE ROAD BOND. WE'VE ALWAYS SAID WORST GO FIRST. BUT YOU HAVE TO TAKE I THINK WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE ECONOMICS OF DOING DIFFERENT PROJECTS OF SENDING ONE CONTRACTOR TO ONE ARE THEN MOVING THEM TO ANOTHER. I THINK THAT MY PERSONAL OPINION IS WE SHOULD DO THE WORST FIRST WHICH WILL BE THE CIRCLE AROUND [INAUDIBLE] AND SAN FILIPPO AND ALSO CONCENTRATE ON SOME OF THE MAINTENANCE TYPE OR THE THIN LIFT TYPE WORK IN OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY. BUT WITH THE ECONOMY OF SCALE IN LOSING DAYS OF WORK IN ORDER TO MOVE EQUIPMENT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? [INAUDIBLE] I'M MORE OF A VISUALIZED PERSON SO I WON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON IN REGARDS TO US TAKING A TRIP TO ACTUALLY GO OUT AND SEE THESE ROADS BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING I ACTUALLY WANTED TO DO. SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP. LET ME RESPOND TO THAT. AS A GROUP WE CAN'T DO THAT. [INAUDIBLE]

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[INAUDIBLE] OK. YES I WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO GET THAT SET UP. [INAUDIBLE] OK. ANYONE ELSE? COUNCIL. YOUR QUESTIONS FOR THE GROUP. OR YOUR CONCERNS AND ALL OF THE ABOVE. WHO WANTS TO GO FIRST? I GUESS I'LL JUST GO. FOR ME WHAT I SAID AT THE COUNCIL MEETINGS WAS I THOUGHT WE NEEDED TO REMOVE FROM YEAR 1 45, 41, 11 AND 15 AND ADD IN 49, 30, 25, 24 SO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT HERE. I'LL TRY TO SHOW IT TO YOU. THIS THIS L RIGHT HERE AND ESSENTIALLY THE REASON I WOULD DO THAT IS I'M IN CONSTRUCTION WE DO THIS TYPE OF WORK EVERY DAY. IF YOU TELL A CONTRACTOR HEY I HAVE FOUR HOUSES IN A ROW OR I HAVE FOUR HOUSES SPREAD AROUND THE COUNTY YOU'RE GOING TO GET A LOT BETTER DEAL DOING FOUR HOUSES IN A ROW THAN YOU WILL AROUND THE COUNTY. SO I THINK IF WE COLOR CODE THIS MAP AS OPPOSED TO WHAT WE KIND OF HAVE HERE WHICH IS A MODGE PODGE OF COLORS JUST KIND OF SPREAD AROUND WHICH I GET THE THINKING HERE THAT EVERYBODY WILL SEE SOMETHING GETTING DONE. MY CONVERSATIONS WITH PUBLIC WORKS IS THAT OUR YEAR TIMETABLE IS LOOKING MORE LIKE AN EIGHT MONTH TIMETABLE IF WE DO THIS RIGHT. SO ESSENTIALLY WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE OUR FIVE YEARS INTO THREE AND A HALF YEARS. SO I DON'T THINK THAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE WAY TOO DISAPPOINTED. AND AGAIN YOU'RE NOT GOING TO REALIZE THE FULL COST OF THE BOND SO WHEN I WENT OUT AND SOLD THIS THING AND TRUST ME I SOLD THE HECK OUT OF THIS THING. I TOLD PEOPLE YOU'RE LOOKING AT 300 DOLLARS FOR EVERY 100,000 DOLLAR PROPERTY VALUE MORE SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT 100 DOLLARS PER 100,000 PROPERTY VALUE BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE REALIZATION OF 150 MILLION DOLLAR BOND UNTIL PROBABLY FIVE YEARS IN. SO THE SHOCK VALUE THAT PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A JUST AN EXORBITANT AMOUNT ON YOUR TAXES IS NOT GOING TO COME TO A YEAR FIVE AND YOU'LL ALREADY HAVE YOUR ROAD AT THAT POINT. SO FOR ME IT MAKES COMPLETE AND TOTAL SENSE TO START LIGHT BLUE IN THE L QUADRANT WHICH IS DOWN HERE THE SOUTHEAST SOUTHWEST QUADRANT THEN MOVE INTO THE SOUTHWEST EVEN MORE COME UP TO THE NORTHEAST WHICH WOULD BE YOUR GREEN AND FINISH OUT BLUE PINK WHICH WOULD BE YOUR NORTHWEST QUADRANT. I THINK THERE YOU'RE SAVING 20 PERCENT OF YOUR MONEY. SO AT 155  MILLION DOLLAR COST ESTIMATE YOU'RE SAVING SOMEWHERE AROUND 31 MILLION DOLLARS. I ALSO THINK THAT COUNCIL IS MAKING A GIANT MISTAKE BY SAYING THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO INCLUDE ANY PIPES IN THIS AND THAT THE LEGAL LANGUAGE GOING TO THE JUDGE THAT WOULDN'T INCLUDE PIPES BECAUSE SPECIFICALLY IN THE BOND WE HAD THAT LANGUAGE AND THEN ALSO ON THE [INAUDIBLE] WEBSITE IT SAID PIPES UNDERNEATH THE ROAD. MY PROBLEM HERE WOULD BE IS WE HAVE A STORMWATER ISSUE COMING BEFORE US AND THAT'S NOTHING TO DO WITH HERE AND NOW.

BUT IF THAT FUND IS NOT THERE AND WE'RE DOING THESE ROADS AND NOT DOING THESE PIPES WE'RE GOING TO BE VERY SORRY LATER. ALSO I HAVE TALKED WITH SEVERAL CONTRACTORS AND I FEEL WE CAN DO MUCH BETTER ON THESE PRICES AND WE WILL DO A LOT BETTER SO EVERYBODY WILL BE PLEASANTLY SURPRISED WHEN WE GET THESE BIDS. THESE ARE NATIONAL COMPANIES I TALKED TO. EVERYBODY IS INTERESTED IN THIS PROJECT.

WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT A PROJECT TO THIS SCALE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT KEEPING TWO COMPANIES BUSY FOR TWO AND A HALF TO FOUR YEARS AND THEY WANT TO DO THAT. THAT'S IT SIR.  JUST GOT A QUICK QUESTION FOR MR. WANTANABE. SO AS I'M LOOKING AT THESE COST ESTIMATES AND THIS IS ONE REASON WHY I WANTED TO DO THIS BECAUSE I REALLY WANT TO LOOK AT THE COST ESTIMATES AND THE BREAKDOWN PER UNIT FOR EACH YEAR. FOR EXAMPLE LOOKING AT YOUR NUMBER ONE WE'RE AT ALMOST 33 MILLION DOLLARS. SO I REMEMBER WHEN WE FIRST TALKED ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO ISSUE THESE BONDS ON A YEAR BY YEAR BASIS FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS WE WERE THINKING YOU KNOW 30 MILLION 30 MILLION 30 MILLION. BUT BUT REALLY REALISTICALLY SPEAKING THE ISSUANCE ON THOSE BONDS PER YEAR IS GOING TO BE BASED UPON THE COST ESTIMATES. AM I RIGHT ABOUT THAT? IN OTHER WORDS IF FOR EXAMPLE YEAR OOKING AT YEAR NUMBER FOUR WE'RE AT A TOTAL ESTIMATE OF 56 MILLION DOLLARS WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO NEED AN ISSUE FOR THAT YEAR OF 56 MILLION DOLLARS GIVE OR TAKE. OKAY SO IF WE WERE TO DO FOR EXAMPLE ALL OF THE SOUTH AREA THAT THAT COST ESTIMATE WOULD INCREASE. OKAY. AND AND YOU ALSO GAVE A BREAKDOWN OF HOW MUCH CITIZENS ARE GOING TO PAY BASED ON A TAXABLE VALUE OF THEIR PROPERTY. SO THAT MEANS THE COST THAT WE'RE GOING TO PAY ON AN ANNUAL BASIS WILL INCREASE AS WELL. A GOOD EXAMPLE WOULD BE AS WAS MENTIONED BEFORE IF YOU ADDED FOR EXAMPLE IF YOU ADDED LET'S SAY 24 AND 25 TO YEAR ONE WHICH RIGHT NOW YOU'RE LOOKING AT IN THE 34 MILLION DOLLAR RANGE. THE NEW NUMBER IF YOU ADD JUST 24 AND 25 JUST ADD THOSE TWO INTO YEAR ONE IT JUMPED INTO LIKE 56 MILLION DOLLARS. ANOTHER 20 MILLION DOLLARS YOU'RE ADDING BECAUSE THESE ARE THE AREAS THAT HAD THE

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MOST SEVERE ROADS. THAT'S RIGHT. AND SO LET'S TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE AND A LOT MORE TIME AND EFFORT COMPARED TO THE REST OF THE AREAS. BUT AGAIN THE PLAN WHICH WE INITIALLY ENDORSED WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS MORE EQUITABLE TO UNIFY TO SPREAD OUT THE WORK. BUT IF YOU WANT TO COVER IT ALL ONE AREA AND AGAIN ECONOMY SCALE IS THE WORK IN 31 AND 32 IN THOSE AREAS WHEN YOU GET THESE BIG COMPANIES WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THE 115 DOLLARS A TON FOR ASPHALT BECAUSE IN THOSE AREAS, THEY'RE JUST GOING TO BLOW RIGHT THROUGH BECAUSE THERE'S NO HOMES ON THEM THERE'S NO DRIVERS THERE'S NOT A LOT OF IMPACTS AND VERY LITTLE MOG. ONCE THE PIPES ARE DONE THEY'RE GONNA STABILIZE AND PAVE LIKE CRAZY AND THEY'LL HAVE THOSE AREAS DONE EXTREMELY FASTER THAN AREAS WE HAVE EXISTING STREETS EXISTING DRIVEWAYS EXISTING ISSUES PEOPLE AREN'T PULLING OUT OF THEIR  DRIVEWAYS. TRUST ME WHEN I WAS DOING THIS IN SEBASTIAN HALF THE PROBLEM WAS TRYING TO KEEP THE PEOPLE FROM DRIVING ON HOT ASPHALT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO GET OUT OF THEIR HOMES AND TYPICALLY TAKES 20 MINUTES BY THE TIME THE FIRST LAYER GETS DONE BY THE TIME THAT ROADS GETS 20 MINUTES BEFORE YOU CAN DRIVE ON THAT ASPHALT BECAUSE YOU COULD MELT RUBBER WHAT IS IT AT 300 DEGREES TEMPERATURE THE TIRES WILL BLOW. AND PEOPLE DIDN'T WANT TO WAIT. BUT THEN AFTER IT WAS ALL DONE.

EVERYBODY WAS HAPPY ONCE YOU GOT BRAND NEW PAVED ROADS EVERYBODY WAS HAPPY. SO I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE INCREASE IN COST. THANK YOU. SURE.

NO NO YOU'RE GOOD. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I DID REMOVE UNITS TOO SO IT WOULDN'T JUST BE ADDING TO THE COST BECAUSE WE'RE MINUSING COSTS AS WELL. AND THEN WE WON'T BE PAYING ALL UPFRONT IT'LL BE A DOWNPAYMENT. AND THEN WHEN THE JOB IS COMPLETE A YEAR IN SO WE WON'T BE GETTING 56 MILLION ON YEAR FOUR. IT'LL BE A HALF AND HALF SCENARIO OR 30 60 90 10. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT AND I APPRECIATE THAT DEPUTY MAYOR ANDERSON. THE THING IS IS THAT THE UNITS YOU REMOVE AND THEIR COST ESTIMATES ARE A LOT LESS THAN THE UNITS THAT YOU'RE ADDING. SO SO THE COST ESTIMATES WOULD INCREASE. MY POINT IN ASKING THAT QUESTION IS YOU KNOW IF WE START IN YEAR ONE WITH THIS WITH THIS COST THAT THAT WILL ALMOST REACH ABOUT 60 MILLION DOLLARS AS MR. WANTANABE SAID THEN THAT'S GOING TO IMMEDIATELY HIT PEOPLE'S TAX BILL AND YOU CAN IMAGINE YOU CAN SEE ALL THESE ALL THESE ROADS BEING DONE IN THE SOUTH END AND YOU GOT FOLKS UP IN THE NORTH END LOOKING AT THEIR TAX BILL SAYING WOW YOU KNOW WE DIDN'T GET HIT WITH A FIFTH OF THE 150 MILLION DOLLARS WE GOT WE GOT HIT WITH MORE THAN THAT. AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT WHEN THERE'S A BOND PASSED IT PASSED WITH OVER 66 PERCENT OF THE VOTES AND THAT WASN'T JUST IN THE SOUTH AREA BUT THAT WAS REALLY ALL OVER THE CITY. ALMOST EVERY PRECINCT ALL OVER THE CITY PASSED THIS BOND WITH ALMOST 60 PERCENT OR BETTER. SO YOU KNOW IT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP THAT IN MIND SO I DO APPRECIATE THAT WE REALLY WANT TO JUMP ON DOING THESE ROADS ESPECIALLY THE ONE IN THE SOUTH IMMEDIATELY AND TRUST ME I'M THERE WITH YOU. I THINK THIS PLAN THIS CURRENT PLAN DOES IT A LOT OF JUSTICE BECAUSE IF YOU DO SEE THE MAP HERE. IN YEAR ONE AND THEN YEAR TWO YEAR ONE AND YEAR TWO YOU'RE HITTING A LOT OF THE SOUTH OR ALREADY IF YOU LOOK AT THE COLOR PART OF THE MAP WHERE YOU'RE ONE AND THEN YEAR TWO AND THEN AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT YEAR THREE BASICALLY IN THE FIRST THREE YEARS ALMOST ALL OF THE SOUTH IS PRETTY MUCH DONE. AND THEN. AND THEN YEAR FOUR YEAR FIVE. WE'RE PRETTY MUCH FOCUSING MOSTLY ON THE NORTHERN PART OF THE CITY. SO FOR AND I WOULD SAY YOU KNOW I THINK THIS IS A REALLY GOOD PLAN BECAUSE THE FIRST THREE YEARS IS ALMOST A PRIMARY FOCUS ON THE SOUTH WHILE AT THE SAME TIME TRYING TO SPREAD SOME OF THIS MONEY OUT TOWARDS THE NORTH AS WELL. SO I THINK IT'S A PRETTY GOOD PLAN AND I WOULD CERTAINLY STICK WITH THIS PLAN. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. MAYOR THANK YOU. AND COUNCILMAN SANTIAGO I JUST WANTED TO ADD A LITTLE BIT TOO I KNOW WE ASKED FRANK WANTANABE TO DO A LITTLE OF THE NUMBERS FROM THE FLOOR HERE TONIGHT. BUT I DID ALREADY LOOK AT THOSE UNITS. VERY GOOD DETAILS THAT THE DEPUTY BROUGHT UP WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS I WANTED TO YOU KNOW ASK FOR THIS WORKSHOP YOU KNOW INITIATED IT AND APPRECIATE COUNCIL FOR HOSTING AND THE BOARD FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT TO HAVE ANOTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS. BECAUSE YOU SPOKE SO FAST EVERY MAYOR IS KIND OF HARD TO KEEP UP I HAD TO GO BACK AND WATCH THE [INAUDIBLE]. SO WHEN YOU ADD UP THE COST OF THE FOUR UNITS THAT ARE REMOVED FROM YEAR ONE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 5.13 MILLION DOLLARS. RIGHT. SO JUST ABOUT 5 MILLION DOLLARS. THE AMOUNT THAT WE'D BE

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ADDING UNDERNEATH THAT PROPOSAL WITH UNITS 49, 30, 25 AND 24 IT'S FORTY NINE THIRTY TWENTY FIVE AND KEEP IN MIND 25 AND 24 WERE YEAR TWO ALREADY. SO THAT'S NOT MUCH OF A CHANGE THERE. AND 30 AND 49 ARE YEAR THREE PROGRAMS SO THEY'RE ALL THE UPPER HALF OF THE CURRENT PLAN. THAT WAS A TOTAL OF 44 MILLION DOLLARS JUST UNDER 44 MILLION DOLLARS. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING 39 MILLION DOLLARS TO THE 33 THAT WE'RE STARTING WITH THERE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NET DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT'S ITS REALLY OVER 62 MILLION DOLLARS. AND THAT'S AS I TO ME IT'S NOT ABOUT THE SHOCK VALUE OF HOW MUCH IS COMING OUT THERE. I KNOW SOME FOLKS MIGHT FEEL THAT WAY. I MEAN A LOT OF FOLKS ALSO WANT THE ROAD DONE AND THEY'RE GONNA BE VERY HAPPY LIKE MR WANTANABE SAID WHEN IT'S DONE. MY CONCERN AS WE GO OUT THERE WITH A LOT OF PROJECTS. NOT KNOWING YET EXACTLY HOW IT'S GOING TO COST. LIKE MR. REIDERMAN SAID. AND SO I WANT US TO BE PRUDENT IN PUTTING OUT I THINK LESS OF A ASK IN THE FIRST YEAR SO WE CAN SEE THE NUMBERS BECAUSE MY LONG TERM CONCERN IN OUR ESTIMATE WERE WAY ABOVE. WHEN WE GOT IN THE COLLECTORS HOW WE'RE GOING TO FUND THE COLLECTORS? THERE'S NO PLAN TO FUND THE COLLECTORS HERE. [INAUDIBLE] SAVINGS. EXCUSE ME. SORRY. I'M NOT FEELING MY BEST TONIGHT BUT THE SO THERE'S BIG ISSUES HERE. 190 MILLION DOLLARS IS THE ESTIMATE. SO IF WE WERE TO ASSUME BE VERY, VERY HOPEFUL AND POSITIVE THAT WE'RE GOING TO COME IN UNDER AND I DO BELIEVE MR. WANTANABE WHEN HE SAYS THAT WE ARE GOING TO COME IN. BUT WE'RE EXPECTING ALMOST TO COME IN A THIRD UNDER. WE THINK THE COST WOULD BE ALMOST A THIRD UNDER OF WHAT IT IS. THAT'S A RISKY BUSINESS. WE GO OUT THERE AND WE GO WITH TOO MANY PROJECTS AT ONE TIME. THAT'S WHY I'VE ALWAYS SAID YOU KNOW MY CONCERN IS EVERYBODY VOTED FOR THIS. AND AS COUNCILMAN SANTIAGO SAID AND MAYBE IF FOLKS GO AND LOOK AND HAVE FOLKS TELL ME THAT THEY THOUGHT THE SOUTH AREA VOTED THIS IN. SOUTH AREA DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH VOTES TO VOTE THIS IN. THIS WAS CITYWIDE AND WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A CITYWIDE BENEFIT. AND. IF YOU LOOK AT THE TWO PRECINCTS THAT ACTUALLY HAD THE HIGHEST AMOUNT OF SUPPORT FOR THIS ONE WAS HOLIDAY PARK WHICH IS IN THE CENTRAL PART OF CITY JUST NORTH OF MALABAR. THE OTHER ONE WAS IN THE RIVIERA AREA AROUND RIVERIA [INAUDIBLE] THAT PRECINCT. THOSE WERE THE TWO THAT WENT OVER 70 PERCENT COMPARED TO THE REST OF THE CITY. SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING THIS CITY WIDE. NOW THE WHOLE IDEA IS THAT WE'RE IN THIS TOGETHER WELL WE NEED TO MAKE THIS IN THIS TOGETHER AND BE EFFICIENT IN THE PROCESS. SO HAVING SAID THAT THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN MY CONCERN IS THAT WE LIVE UP TO THE EXPECTATION. I MEAN I DID MAKE A PROMISE BUT THERE'S EXPECTATION THAT EVERYBODY WHO'S GOING TO HAVE SOMETHING DONE. AND I WANT TO LIVE UP TO THAT. EVEN IF YOU KNOW QUITE FRANKLY MAYOR YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE THERE WHEN IT'S DONE. UNLESS YOU PLAN ON COMING BACK IN 2022.

AND OTHER FOLKS UP HERE WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE HERE WHENEVER EVERYTHING IS RESOLVED. BUT IT'S STILL FOR ME IN MY HEART IT'S IMPORTANT TO BE RESPONSIBLE AS A STEWARD AS A FIDUCIARY ROLE IN THIS CITY. THAT SAID ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I ASKED MR. WANTANABE AND I'LL ASK YOU AGAIN TONIGHT IS WHERE ARE THE UNITS THAT YOU SEE ROADS THAT ARE IN A THIN LIFT CAPACITY WHICH ISN'T AS MUCH OF A HEAVY LIFT AS FDR. WHERE ARE THOSE UNITS ANY SINGLE OR MULTIPLE UNITS WHERE THEY'RE AT THAT LEVEL OF THIN LIFT. BUT IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS A FEW YEARS THEY MIGHT BECOME FDR SITUATIONS THEREBY INCREASING OUR POTENTIAL COSTS. ANSWER THAT QUESTION AGAIN YOU'RE LOOKING AT STREETS THERE ARE AT A GOOD CONDITION FAIRLY GOOD CONDITION BUT THERE ARE GOING TO BE IN THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS IF YOU DON'T DO AN OVERLAY NOW YOU'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT FDR. YEAH. IT'S 41, 42. I CAN TELL YOU THAT RIGHT NOW.

42 IS ALREADY GETTING QUESTIONABLE SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS IF YOU LOOK UP TO THE NORTH THAT ARE IN THE YELLOW 48 THOSE AREAS 14 13. AGAIN I HAVE NOT BEEN UP THANK YOU MR. WANTANBE. AND I BELIEVE AS YOU JUST MENTIONED UNITS 41 HAS ALREADY GOT ONE PROJECT. UNIT 42 ALSO IN THE NORTHWEST IS THE BIG BACKWARDS L SHAPE UP THERE. THAT'S NOT LIKE THE MOST NORTHWESTERN YEAH RIGHT THERE. THANK YOU. THAT UNIT RIGHT THERE I BELIEVE YOU ALREADY HAVE SOME DESIGN WORK UNDER PROCESS FOR STORMWATER AND OTHER THINGS [INAUDIBLE] IS BEING PREPPED. WE'RE ACTUALLY IN CONSTRUCTION. 26 PIPES ARE BEING [INAUDIBLE] AS WE SPEAK. ANOTHER 30 ARE BEING ADVERTISED RIGHT NOW. WITH THAT BEING SAID I THINK IF I REMEMBER MY NOTES FROM OUR MEETING THAT I HAD A MEETING WITH ALL OF OUR PUBLIC WORKS STAFF TO WORK THIS OUT. I THINK 44 AND 45 WERE TWO OTHER UNITS THAT WERE

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POTENTIAL ONES TO LOOK AT AS WELL. 44 BEING IN THE VERY NORTHWEST 45 BEING KIND OF IN THE LOCH MAR AREA. RIGHT THERE. SO ANY OF THAT WAS MY CONCERN HOW DO WE DO THIS IN A WAY THAT WE CAN LIVE UP TO THE EXPECTATION THAT EVERYBODY GETS SERVED. I UNDERSTAND. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE MULTIPLE DISTRICTS AND I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULD COME IN HERE AND MAKE A HUGE CHANGE. IS THIS THE JEFF BAILEY PLAN. ABSOLUTELY NOT. BUT THIS IS STAFF AND A LOT OF OTHER FOLKS THAT PUT THEIR INPUT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I PUT MY INPUT IN HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE EFFICIENT. AND WE MAKE SURE WE SPREAD THIS DOLLAR OUT. SO ANYHOW ONE OF MY SUGGESTIONS THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE 42 ADDED TO IT. THAT IS APPROXIMATELY 12 SORRY 14 MILLION DOLLARS IS A QUITE THAT'S A PRETTY BIG IT'S IN YEAR 3 CURRENTLY AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT ALLOWING SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BECOME MORE EXPENSIVE SOON. YEAR FOUR OR THREE? FOUR. OKAY. SO I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT PUTTING THAT  ONE OFF TO YEAR FOUR. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT ONE BROUGHT UP. AND PERHAPS SOME OF THOSE OTHER SMALLER UNITS THAT THE DEPUTY MAYOR MENTIONED I HATE TO SAY IT THIS WAY BUT NO FOR THE TIME BEING NO PUT OFF FOR ANOTHER YEAR. BECAUSE AGAIN THERE IS ALSO THE IDEA WE DON'T WANT TO SPEND TOO MUCH THE FIRST YEAR AND COME BACK AND REALIZE WE DEFINITELY ARE GOING TO RUN OUT OF MONEY BECAUSE WE JUST GOT ALL THESE CONTRACTS BACK SHOWING THAT THE PRICES WENT UP. SO ANYHOW THAT'S THAT'S MY BIG.

THAT'S ONE OF MY BIG CONCERNS IS RUSHING THAT STAFF HELPED ME KIND OF IDENTIFY WHAT THEY FELT FROM THEIR END. AND SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY CRUCIAL FOR ME FOR MY SUPPORT IS THAT WE LOOK AT UNIT 42 BECAUSE IT MAKES THE BEST SENSE FOR THE WHOLE CITY. FOR MR WANTANABE. WHAT IS THE REASONING WE'RE EXPECTING PHASE ONE PAVEMENT AND START IN AUGUST AS OPPOSED TO JULY. REASON WHY IT MOVED FROM JULY AUGUST IS BECAUSE THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW I'VE GOT TO GET THE PIPE PROJECTS GOING RIGHT NOW. AS I MENTIONED 42 IS GOING OUT BUT IF WE'RE FOCUSING RIGHT NOW AGAIN PUBLIC WORKS TOOK THE LEAD DIRECTION FROM THE JUST GET AHEAD OF THE HORSE. SO WE'VE GOT PROJECT STARTED IN UNITS 31 AND 32. WE HEARD THAT THAT WAS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY THAT WE NEED TO GET STARTED ON THOSE. WE DID. WE GET THOSE PIPES STARTED AND WE GET IT OUT AWARDED. IT TAKES THEM THREE TO FOUR MONTHS SO THE PIPES GOT TO GET DONE FIRST AND THEN COMES THE ROAD BECAUSE OF THAT I DON'T THINK WE COULD HAVE THE ASPHALT COMPANIES ANY SOONER THAN AUGUST RIGHT NOW MAINLY BECAUSE I CAN'T GET THOSE PIPES DOWN UNLESS WE DO LIKE 42 WHICH WE'RE ALREADY DOING THAT COULD CHANGE THE CHEMISTRY AGAIN BUT THAT'S IF WE CHANGE THINGS AROUND IT JUST MAKES IT HARDER FOR US TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHICH ONE HAS TO BE ADVERTISED. IT'S A PROCUREMENT PROCESS. IT'S REALLY NOT THE ENGINEER. THE ENGINEERS REALLY BASIC IN TERMS OF ONCE WE GET THE PLANS DONE. IT'S THE PROCUREMENT. IT'S THE LOGISTICS OF TRYING TO GET THIS ALL WORKED OUT THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE THROUGH COUNCIL. COUNCIL'S GOT TO AWARD IT. ALL THAT TAKES TIME AND PROCESS. SO IS IT SAFE TO SAY THAT IF THIS HAD BEEN APPROVED AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING WE WOULD STILL BE ON TRACK FOR JULY. IF THIS WAS APPROVED LAST COUNCIL MEETING YES. OK. SO. I THINK BILL BATTIN HE'S NODDING HIS HEAD. HE HIT IT RIGHT ON THE HEAD LAST COUNCIL MEETING. WE'VE GOT TO PICK IT UP AND GO. ALL RIGHT WE GOT GET SOMETHING STARTED. VOTERS I'M LOOKING AT IT RIGHT HERE ON VOTE BREVARD. IT'S BEEN APPROVED OVER 60 PERCENT IN EVERY PRECINCT AND WE OWE IT TO THEM AND WE OWE IT TO EVERYBODY HERE TO GET THIS THING GOING. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO ADDING 42 BUT I AM OPPOSED TO THE OTHER PRECINCTS BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO PUT US OVER OUR BUDGET OF 30 TO 50 MILLION. SO I THINK WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE PLAN ACCORDINGLY INITIALLY AND GO FROM THERE. BUT WE NEED TO GET STARTED ON SOMETHING BECAUSE Y'ALL ASKED FOR IT AND IF IT WOULD'VE STARTED IN JULY A LOT OF THESE AREAS THAT THEY TOOK IN CONSIDERATION WITH SCHOOLS THERE'S NO SCHOOL IN JULY AUGUST SCHOOL STARTS BACK THERE'S GONNA BE TRAFFIC. SO THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO TAKE IN CONSIDERATION. SO I'M JUST I'M JUST URGING COUNCIL. LET'S GET GOING LET'S DO SOMETHING. BUT I DEFINITELY HAVE YOU KNOW I THINK WE CAN REALLY DO SOME THINGS BUT LET'S START WITH YEAR ONE AND GO. OK. NOW I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU MY PERSPECTIVE. I THINK THAT A WHILE AGO WHEN WE PUT OUR SUBCOMMITTEE TOGETHER IN REGARDS TO THE ROAD ADVISORY AND FROM THE ROAD ADVISORY IT TURNED INTO THE INFRASTRUCTURE. I WOULD SAY THAT THE EARNEST OF THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE FINAL DECISION LAYS ON US. BUT AT THE SAME TIME. I THINK THAT BETWEEN THE STAFF AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE BOARD THEY HAVE DONE THEIR DUE DILIGENCE TO BRING A PACKAGE WHERE THEY COULD LIVE WITH. BECAUSE REMEMBER. THEY'RE ACTUALLY REPRESENTING THE RESIDENTS OF THIS CITY AS WE DO TOO. AND THESE ARE THE RESIDENTS SPEAKING IN REGARDS TO GIVING THIS SUGGESTION. FOR ME THIS IS THE FIRST YEAR. I ALWAYS SAY POLITICS. IT'S A ROLE THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PLEASE EVERYBODY THAT IS THE

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REALITY HERE REGARDLESS OF WHICH UNIT WE GO WITH. THERE'S GOING TO BE SOMEBODY THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE HAPPY WITH US. AND I THINK THAT THEY HAVE LOOKED AT THIS STAFF HAS LOOKED AT IT. AND THEY UNVEIL IT. THE REASON THAT I DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH HAVING A JOINT WORKSHOP IS BECAUSE ORIGINALLY WHEN WE FIRST MET WE DIRECTIONS THAT WE GAVE THEM IS TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT'LL COME BACK TO US.

AND I THINK IN BETWEEN I GUESS IT WAS LOST IN TRANSLATION. I THINK I HAD TO DO A LOT WITH THE BUS RIDE OR NO BUS RIDE OR MAYBE A BUS RIDE A NORTH BUS RIDE. AND I THINK IT WAS LOST IN TRANSLATION BUT THIS PROCESS THAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW WAS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN A LOT SOONER BEFORE IT WENT TO FULL COUNCIL VOTE. AND THAT'S THE REASON I SUPPORTED HAVING THE WORKSHOP. BUT I DO SUPPORT THE DECISION THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE BOARD AND OUR STAFF HAS COME WITH. SO. AS I SEE IT I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT NOW IF COUNCIL WANTS TO ADD IN OR ADD OUT THAT'S UP TO THE CONSENSUS THEN BUT AS IT LOOKS TO ME RIGHT NOW LET'S LET IT RIP. AND THEY DID THEIR DUE DILIGENCE THEY LOOKED AT EVERYTHING THEY FLAVORED IT LIKE WINE AND THEY CHUGALUGGED IT NEXT. SO I SAY LET IT RIP. SO CAN I JUST ADD ONE FINAL THING AND THEN I'M DONE. YOU KNOW NOBODY UP YOUR ASS LISTEN TO ME AT ALL. THAT'S WE'RE A FIVE MEMBER BOARD. YOU KNOW THREE VOTES WINS. I'M TELLING YOU I WENT OUT THERE AND I SOLD THIS TO THE PEOPLE. LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING A CONTRACTOR WILL BUILD YOU A GOLDEN STAIRCASE IF YOU ASK FOR IT BUT IT'S PROBABLY NOT A GOOD IDEA WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO RIGHT HERE IS A PLAN DOOMED TO RUN OUT OF MONEY. WHEN YOU SET UP SHOP AT ONE END OF THE CITY FOR YEAR ONE AND YEAR TWO YOU HAVE TO MOVE TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CITY THAT IS NOT ECONOMICALLY A FEASIBLE PLAN. I'M TELLING YOU WHEN WE SOLD THIS THING PEOPLE THOUGHT THE SOUTH WAS GOING FIRST AND I SOLD THIS MORE THAN ANYBODY UP HERE. I THINK I CAN SAFELY SAY THAT I WENT OUT THERE AND TRIED TO SELL THIS THING BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS WHAT'S BEST FOR THE CITY. I THINK WE GET THE BIGGEST BANG FOR OUR BUCK BY STARTING IN THE SOUTH NOBODY HAS TO LISTEN TO ME THAT'S FINE BUT I'LL JUST SAY THIS LAST LITTLE PIECE. IF YOU GUYS SET UP SHOP IN ONE END OF THE CITY IN THE NEXT YEAR YOU'RE MOVING YOUR ENTIRE OPERATION INSTEAD OF JUST CONSECUTIVELY MOVING AROUND THE CITY PIECE BY PIECE.

FINISHING THE WORK AS YOU GO IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT MORE COST EFFICIENT TO FINISH STEP 1 INSTEAD OF GOING FROM STEP 1 TO STEP 4 THEN BACK TO STEP 2 THEN BACK TO STEP 3 DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO HAVE ALL THESE DIFFERENT COLORS UP HERE WHEN WE SHOULD BE STARTING A QUADRANT APPROACH THIS IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF A QUADRANT APPROACH IT'S A PIECE HERE A PIECE THERE WE'RE PIECE MEAL IN THIS THING AND IT'S GOING TO COST YOU A FORTUNE WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT CONTRACTING AND PRICING AND MOVING EQUIPMENT AROUND AND MOVING PEOPLE AROUND IT'S SOMEBODY'S ALWAYS NOT GOING TO BE HAPPY BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS IN FIVE YEARS EVERYBODY WILL BE HAPPY WHEN WE CAN DO THIS EFFICIENTLY AND WE CAN DO IT FOR  150 MILLION DOLLARS AND LESS THAN THAT WE CAN DO IT FOR 120 MILLION DOLLARS AND BE ABLE TO DO THESE THIN LIFTS IN SOME OF THESE COLLECTOR ROADS BUT IF WE GO WITH THIS PLAN THE WAY IT IS IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. IT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. THERE'S A REASON WE DON'T FIRE ROCKETS OFF IN SATELLITE BEACH AND SEBASTIAN WE FIRE THEM OFF AT ONE PLACE CAPE CANAVERAL. THERE'S A REASON A NEW COMPANY IS OPENING IN CAPE CANAVERAL BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE YOU FIRE ROCKETS OFF FROM. YOU DON'T PICK 17 DIFFERENT PLACES TO DO THIS. IN MY OPINION FROM THE CONSTRUCTION WORLD YOU ARE SETTING UP A GIANT BASE OF OPERATIONS TO DO THESE ROADS. THESE ARE NOT SMALL UNITS. THESE ARE VERY BIG UNITS AND THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE A LONG TIME TO DO WHEN YOU WANT TO SET UP SHOP. YOU WANT TO SET UP SHOP. YOU DON'T WANT TO SET UP SHOP AND MOVE SHOP. SO I IMPLORE THE COUNCIL TO PLEASE THINK ABOUT WHAT THE VOTERS SAID YES EVERY PRECINCT DID PASS THIS BUT EVERY PRECINCT CAME IN KNOWING WORST IS FIRST WE'RE GONNA DO THE HARDEST STUFF GET IT OUT OF THE WAY THE REALTORS ARE GOING TO DO THEIR JOB. SELL THESE HOUSES SELL THESE LOTS AND PALM BAY IS FINALLY GOING TO BE LIVABLE AGAIN. I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY THE REALITY OF WORST. IF YOU GO WORST THAT'S THE MOST EXPENSIVE. CORRECT. RIGHT. ALL THAT I'M SAYING IS THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO GET ON A BIKE AND YOU'RE ABOUT TO LEARN HOW TO RIDE THE BIKE BECAUSE WE'VE NEVER DONE THIS TO THIS LEVEL TO THIS MAGNITUDE WE'VE NEVER DONE IT SO LET'S EASE INTO IT. AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR POSITION FROM THE CONSTRUCTION SIDE BUT THERE'S ROOM FOR ERROR AS FRANK IS STATING THERE COULD BE

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SOME COST SAVING JUST LET'S SEE HOW YEAR ONE. EVERYTHING ON HERE BEYOND YEAR ONE WHICH THAT'S WHAT WE'RE MAKING A DECISION ON HAS ROOM TO BE CHANGED BUT LET'S DO YEAR ONE AT LEAST AND LET IT GET OFF THE GROUND AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. SEE HOW THIS WORKS OUT. THAT'S MY OPINION. I DON'T BELIEVE IN DOOM AND GLOOM. I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE GO INTO THAT UNIVERSE OF DOOM AND GLOOM AND I DON'T BELIEVE IN THAT. I THINK I'M AN OPTIMIST. I HAVE A QUESTION. YES. I HAD AN UNDERSTANDING THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE SEVERAL MAYBE FOUR COMPANIES ONE IN EACH SECTION. WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT IF THAT HAPPENS YOU WOULDN'T BE. I LIKE YOUR IDEA. BUT WHY WOULD YOU BE MOVING STUFF AROUND. AND JUST FOR ME ULTIMATELY IF I PRESENTED THIS MAP TO YOU AND THIS WAS MY MAP YOU'D HAVE TWO COLORS YOU'D HAVE CONTRACTOR ONE TO THE LEFT CONTRACTOR TWO TO THE RIGHT CONTRACTOR ONE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS HALF CONTRACTOR TWO WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS HALF YOU'D BE GETTING ROADS YEAR 1 THROUGH 4 ON THIS SIDE YEARS 1 THROUGH 4 ON THIS SIDE SO YOU WOULDN'T BE LOSING ANYTHING AND ESSENTIALLY IT WOULD BE THE SAME QUADRANT THING BUT IT WOULDN'T BE ALL THESE COLORS IT WOULD BE ONE COLOR HERE ONE COLOR OVER THERE CONTRACTOR A CONTRACTOR B BECAUSE I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT WAS THE BEST WAY IF YOU WANTED TO GO WITH FOUR CONTRACTORS AND ABCD AND EVERYBODY WOULD GET A SMALL DOWN PAYMENT AND THEN WHATEVER AT THE END OF THEIR FOUR OR FIVE YEARS. OK. AND THEN LISA. WHAT I WANTED TO DO WAS ACTUALLY MAYOR IF I MAY I WANTED TO ASK STAFF ABOUT THAT BECAUSE MR. WANTANABE YOU  MENTIONED HOW ESPECIALLY IN A LOT OF THESE UNITS DOWN IN THE SOUTH BECAUSE THERE'S NOT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF DENSITY THERE'S NOT A LOT OF HOUSES THERE THAT WE CAN JUST BLOW BY SOME OF THESE UNITS REAL FAST BECAUSE THERE'S NO HOUSES THERE. HAVE YOU ESTIMATED THE THE THE IMPACT TO COST GOING FROM ONE QUADRANT TO ANOTHER. OR IS THERE ANY NEGATIVE IMPACT TO COST TO TO THIS PROJECT. I THINK THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION IS AS WE MENTIONED BEFORE WE'RE GOING TO HOPEFULLY GET FOUR DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS FOR ALL FOUR DIFFERENT ZONES OR UNITS OR QUADRANTS. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ESPECIALLY IN THE UNITS 31 AND 32 THOSE AREAS WHICH HAVE ALMOST NO VERY LITTLE HOMES. SO YOU HAVE VERY LITTLE DRIVEWAYS YOU HAVE VERY LITTLE TRAFFIC YOU HAVE VERY LITTLE MOT A GENERAL CONTRACTOR SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH THOSE ZONES I MEAN THOSE STREETS VERY FAST. IT DOESN'T TAKE MUCH TO STABILIZE PUT IN THE ROCK AND THEN COME BACK AND DO WHOLE SECTIONS OF THE STREETS WITH ASPHALT BECAUSE AGAIN IF IT IS 20 FEET WHY THEY CAN OPEN UP A SPREADER BOX IF THERE'S NO TRAFFIC AND JUST DO ONE PASS THAT'S WHAT I RECOMMEND AND DO WHOLE STREETS WITH ONE PASS AND THAT'S IT TWO INCHES DONE UP AND DOWN THE STREETS. THEIR ISSUE IS GOING TO BE BRINGING IN ENOUGH ASPHALT WHICH I RECOMMEND RUNNING THIS THING AT NIGHT EVEN JUST KEEPING THE PLANT RUNNING AND KEEPING THAT COST DOWN BECAUSE WE KEEP THAT PLANT RUNNING AND TO KEEP THAT ENOUGH TRUCKS COMING THAT PRICE KEEPS DROPPING EVEN THOUGH HIGH PRICES OF OIL HIGH PRICES OF GAS THE REASON WHY FDOT GETS A GREAT DEAL PIGGYBACK ON FDOT WHEN THEY'RE BUILDING YOU KNOW 20 MILES OF FREEWAY AT SIX LANES THEY GET A CHEAPER COST AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO DO WHEN WE DO OUR PROJECT IS TO GET CHEAPER BECAUSE WE'LL BE PULLING OUT SO MUCH ASPHALT. AND BY YOU SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET YOU KNOW HOPEFULLY YOU KNOW FOUR DIFFERENT COMPANIES DOING THIS THAT ASSUAGES MY CONCERN BECAUSE AGAIN I MEAN I THINK YOU ANSWERED THAT SO SO BY DOING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING THIS EFFICIENTLY EVEN THOUGH WE'RE DOING THIS IN FOUR DIFFERENT QUADRANTS OF THE CITY. THAT IS CORRECT. AT THE SAME TIME WE DON'T WANT TO GRIDLOCK AREAS IF WE DO TOO MUCH IN ONE AREA. AGAIN PEOPLE STILL WANT TO GET OUT WHEN YOU'RE PAVING THE STREETS. THERE'S A PERIOD FOR AT LEAST A HALF AN HOUR. THAT ROAD IS SHUT DOWN. AND IF YOU DO TOO MUCH. IF SOMETHING NEEDS TO HAPPEN EMERGENCY RESPONSE, POLICE WHEN THAT ASPHALT IS AT 300 DEGREE TEMPERATURE YOU'RE NOT DRIVING ON IT LITERALLY YOU'LL BLOW YOUR TIRES YOU'LL MELT YOUR TIRES RIGHT OFF GOTTA WAIT ABOUT 30 MINUTES THAT'S THE AVERAGE BEFORE YOU COULD PUT A CAR ON IT. AND SO THERE'S A PERIOD AND IT'S NOT A LOT BUT IT IS A WHOLE QUADRANT, FIVE OR SIX BLOCKS. THAT'S A WHOLE ISSUE I'D LIKE TO SEE IT IN LIKE SAYING UNIFORMLY ACROSS A UNIT BUT NOT TOO MANY UNITS AT ONCE. BECAUSE AGAIN YOU'RE JUST GONNA GRIDLOCK ONE AREA WHERE AGAIN IF YOU HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS THEY HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT PLANTS. AGAIN YOU CAN'T BLEED OFF OF ONE PLANT. SO WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THESE FOUR CONTRACTORS FOUR DIFFERENT PLANTS SO THEY ARE GONNA BE PROVIDING ASPHALT FROM ALL DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE AREA. SO THAT'S A LOT MORE OF A PRODUCTIVITY AND SAVINGS IN THAT SENSE AS WELL. AND THE LAST ISSUE TO MAKE SURE IS PERMITING. I'VE GOT TO GET PERMITS FOR SOME OF THESE AREAS. WE HAVE OUR MAJOR CROSSINGS IN CULVERTS THOSE TAKE TIME. ON THE ONES WE HAVE [INAUDIBLE] ONES WE'RE

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WORKING ON RIGHT NOW. WE GOT  PERMITS WE'RE IN THE PROCESS. ANY NEW AREAS, I GOT TO GET THE PERMITS AND THAT MAY TAKE SOME TIME TO GET AND I HATE TO START SAYING LET'S DO A UNIT AND I HAVE TO GET THE PERMITS AND THOSE PERMIT AGENCIES TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN USUAL AND THAT DRAGS IT OUT. SO THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT WE HAVE NO CONTROL ON THOSE PERMITTING. THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MAYOR. LISA.

ACTUALLY FRANK ANSWERED ALL MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. YOU CURRENTLY HAVE EVEN ONE UNIT THAT HAS ALL THE PIPES LAID DOWN THAT CAN BE STARTED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. NO. AND THEN I JUST WANT TO CAUTION US TOO BECAUSE YOU KNOW FOUR CONTRACTORS IS GOOD. BUT THOSE CONTRACTORS HAVE TO STOP AND MEET UP WITH SOMEBODY ELSE. AND THAT'S WHERE YOU RUN INTO ISSUES TOO IS WHEN YOU HAVE FOUR IS WHOSE WORK MEETS WHO'S WORK WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT YOU KNOW WHEN WHEN WE HAVE MULTIPLE DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS DOING MULTIPLE DIFFERENT UNITS THE UNITS DON'T JUST STOP. THERE'S NOT THESE LINES OUT THERE. THAT'S NOT HOW THIS WORK THESE STREETS RUN THROUGH. SO YOU HAVE TO STOP SOMEWHERE AND SOMEBODY HAS TO START SOMEWHERE YOU KNOW THE OLD CONSTRUCTION THING WAS IT'S A PLUMBER SMALL AND THE DRYWALL OR BLAME THE FRAMER AND THAT'S THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT GOES IN THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY IT'S ALWAYS THE OTHER GUY'S FAULT. SO THE MORE CONTRACTORS WE BRING IN AND THEN WE MAY HAVE A PROBLEM. IF WE'RE OFFERING SMALLER PROJECTS TO MORE MULTIPLE CONTRACTORS THOSE COSTS GO UP THE BIGGER THE PROJECT THE LESS THE COSTS THE SMALLER THE PROJECT THE MORE THE COSTS. SO AND WE WILL BE FEEDING OFF FOUR DIFFERENT PLANTS BUT WE CAN'T EXPECT TO GET AS MUCH SAVINGS IF YOU'RE ORDERING 100 TONS VERSUS 50 TONS.

MAYOR. MR. WANTANABE. I'M JUST CURIOUS DO YOU THINK THERE'S ANY SIGNIFICANT COST OR IS THIS SIGNIFICANT DISTANCE THAT WE'RE ASKING THESE FOLKS TO MOVE AND IS IT POSSIBLE FOR THE SAME CONTRACTORS TO BID FOR THE SECOND YEAR PROJECT. OTHER WORDS THERE'LL BE ACTUAL CONTINUITY IN THEIR PROJECTS OR WOULD THEY BE DONE IN THAT FIRST YEAR AND SITTING THERE WAITING FOR THE NEXT YEAR'S CONTRACT. DEPENDS ON THE THE TYPE OF THE ASPHALT CONDITIONS ARE IN. I DON'T SEE AN ISSUE WITH MOST OF THE MAJOR CONTRACTORS WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. I'VE SEEN BUT AGAIN AS IS DISCUSSED THIS WILL BRING IN THE BIG BOYS. YOU'RE GOING TO BRING IN HUBBARD. THESE ARE THE LARGE NATIONAL COMPANIES THAT RARELY DO SMALL STREETS BUT BECAUSE OF THE MAGNITUDE HERE YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE BIG COMPANIES THE NATIONAL COMPANIES JUMPING IN AND HELPING OUT AND SO THAT'LL THEN ADD MORE TO THE CONTRACTORS LIST THAT WE HAVE WITH THE CURRENT [INAUDIBLE] THE COMMUNITY [INAUDIBLE]. THOSE ARE THE ONES WE HAVE AROUND HERE BUT BECAUSE OF THE LARGENESS OF THE PROJECT YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE NATIONAL COMPANIES JUMPING IN AND THAT WOULD ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THE CONTRACTS THAT WE HAVE. DID THAT ANSWER THE QUESTION. WELL I'M JUST CURIOUS IS THERE IS THERE SIGNIFICANT NO MOVEMENT OF EQUIPMENT TO BE EXPECTED IN THESE PROJECTS THE WAY IT'S LAID OUT. I DON'T ESPECIALLY SINCE WE'RE LAID OUT. IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO WITH FOUR DIFFERENT QUADRANTS AND FOUR DIFFERENT AREAS YOU KNOW THEY'RE ALL GOING TO STAGE IN THEIR OWN DIFFERENT AREAS NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER FREEWAY CONSTRUCTION PROJECT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE POINTS OF OF A CONNECTIVITY BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A SEVERE POINT WHERE THEY CAN START ONE END OF THE SECTION OTHER ONE STARTS AT THE OTHER END OF THE SECTION AND THEY ALL MOVE FORWARD THEY COORDINATE. THE PROBLEM OCCURS AS THE DEPUTY MAYOR SAID IF YOU HAVE A CONTRACT TO WORK IN THE SAME ZONE. GOOD EXAMPLE I HAD A PROBLEM IN SEBASTIAN ONE CONTRACTOR DID THE BASE AND THE OTHER CONTRACT DID THE ASPHALT. GUESS WHAT. THE GUY WHO DID THE BASE DIDN'T DO A GOOD JOB AND THE ASPHALT COMPANY. WE DIDN'T HAVE INSPECTORS AND WE'D HAVE TESTING FINGER POINTING CAME OUT. WE HAD TO PULL BONDS ALMOST LIKE IT GOT REALLY BAD TO THE POINT WHERE THE CONTRACTOR EACH HAD TO PAY 80 MILLION DOLLARS TO REDO THE ROAD BECAUSE IT WAS TERRIBLE. WE ALL LEARNED THE LESSON BUT THE LESSON I LEARNED WAS ONE CONTRACTOR DOES ONE ROAD DO NOT HAVE TWO DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS DOING TWO PARTS OF THE ROAD. IF YOU HAVE NO INSPECTIONS. THAT'S A RULE OF THUMB IN ANY CONSTRUCTION PROJECT GOOD INSPECTORS WE WATCH WHAT WE DO TRY TO KEEP ONE CONTRACTOR AS MENTIONED NO FINGER POINTING. AND SO THERE IS THERE IS LOGIC TO HAVE ONE CONTRACTOR START EACH ZONE. I DON'T SEE THERE BEING A HUGE YOU SAY MAINTENANCE MOBILITY ISSUE. I THINK THESE CONTRACTORS ESPECIALLY THESE ASPHALT CONTRACTORS WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT BUILDING ERECTOR SETS WITH CRANES AND THESE ASPHALT COMPANIES ARE PORTABLE. THEIR ASPHALT MACHINES ARE PORTABLE. THEY BRING ALL THEIR ROLLERS ON ON A FLATBED THREE OR FOUR ROLLERS ONE BIG ASPHALT MACHINE OR MAYBE TWO ASPHALT MACHINES THEN MOST OF THE DUMP TRUCKS ARE FARMED OUT TO INDEPENDENT HAULERS AND THEY BRING IN THOSE ASPHALT AND THEY MOVE.

YOU'LL BE SURPRISED HOW FAST AN ASPHALT COMPANY COULD MOVE ESPECIALLY IF THEY COULD OPEN UP THAT BOX IN AREAS WE COULD JUST DO 20 FEET OF PAVEMENT. IT'S GOING DOWN THE ROAD IT'S AMAZING HOW FAST THICKLY ASPHALT DOWN AND AS MUCH AS PEOPLE THINK WELL YOU KNOW IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LONG TIME. IT'S AMAZING AS YOU GET STARTED. HOW ROADS GET PAVED AND THEN IT GOES THAT FAST. THANK YOU. I WOULD I WOULD ADD THIS NOW AS WE'RE HAVING DISCUSSION ABOUT YOU KNOW THE ECONOMIES OF SCALE HERE. YOU LOOK AT YEAR ONE PLAN YOU HAVE IN THE NORTHEAST TWO VERY SMALL UNITS 47, 35.

NEITHER ONE OF THEM IS EVEN A MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT. I DON'T BELIEVE

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47 IS BARELY A QUARTER MILLION AND 41 IS JUST 900 THOUSAND. SO WHEN YOU DESIGN THIS FROM AN ENGINEER'S PERSPECTIVE HOW MUCH  CONSIDERING THE OVERALL HOW IT AFFECTS OVERALL COST BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT THIS I'M THINKING THAT THOSE UNITS PROBABLY BETTER SERVED BEING DONE ALONG WITH UNITS 43 AND 44 THOSE UNITS THAT ARE SURROUNDING IT AT THE SAME TIME. JUST KIND OF ISOLATED.

YOU ARE CORRECT. WHAT WE DID IS WE JUST TOOK THIS AS A FIRST ATTEMPT I THINK AS WE GO INTO OUR SECOND YEAR WE'RE GOING TO START TWEAKING THIS A LOT MORE FINE TUNING IT. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF THESE AREAS THAT WE HAVE SMALLER UNITS TO BE COMBINED MAKE IT A LOT MORE OF A LARGER PROJECT IN SCALE. SO YOU ARE CORRECT THAT WE'D BE LOOKING AT THESE. YEAH. AND ONE OTHER QUESTION AGAIN JUST TO REITERATE I REALLY THINK IT'S IMPORTANT I KNOW THAT COUNCILMAN JOHNSON SAID HE WOULD ENTERTAIN THE IDEA I WAS STILL WAITING TO HEAR FROM THE REST OF COUNCIL BUT UNIT 42 IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU THINK WOULD IMPEDE YOUR PROGRESS FOR YEAR 1. AND DO YOU SEE THAT AS BEING SOMETHING TO POTENTIALLY BE A SIGNIFICANT COST SAVINGS. THE REASON WHY YOU'RE UNIT 42 KEEPS BEING DISCUSSED IS BECAUSE WE HAVE PIPES THAT ARE INSTALLED. WE'RE ADVERTISING RIGHT NOW BUT 30 MORE PIPES FOR MORE THAN 70 PERCENT OF THOSE PIPES DONE. SO IS THAT AN AREA THAT COULD GET US AHEAD.

YES DEFINITELY BECAUSE THE PIPES ARE DONE THEY'RE ALREADY BEING INSTALLED RIGHT NOW AS WE SPEAK ALL THESE OTHER AREAS WE HAVEN'T EVEN ADVERTISED. WE GOT THE DESIGN PLANS. WE HAVEN'T EVEN ADVERTISED. UNIT 42. WE'VE GOT PIPES IN THE GROUND. THANK YOU. AND I JUST WANT TO LIKE I SAID I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE STRETCH IT OUT. I'M ALL FOR BEING OPTIMISTS I ALSO WANTED TO BE PROACTIVE AND SO AND WE HAVE ENGINEERS LOOKING AT FROM THE ENGINEER FROM AN OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT WHICH IS IMPORTANT. AND BUT I THINK IT'S OUR DUTY [INAUDIBLE] OFFICERS UP HERE TO ALSO LOOK AT FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT. AND SO THAT'S WHY I REALLY THINK THAT THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE KIND OF KNOW MAKE SURE WE FIND A WAY TO PUT THAT IN THERE. THAT MEANS PUTTING OFF A COUPLE OF THE OTHER ONES I DO AGREE WITH THE DEPUTY MAYOR THAT SOME OF THIS UNITS 47 35 DOESN'T QUITE MAKE SENSE. AND THE OTHER THING IS IF YOU LOOK AT 41 WHICH IS ON YEAR ONE RIGHT NOW CURRENTLY 41 WHICH IS IN THE UPPER LEFT HAND IT'S KIND OF ISOLATED AS WELL AS THE SMALLER PROJECTS SO 42 WOULD MAKE THAT A MORE SIGNIFICANT PROJECT HOPEFULLY BRINGING SOME ECONOMIES OF SCALE TO THAT AREA FOR THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT SO MAYBE MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THERE IS NOW THAT THERE'S TWO SMALLER ONES OUT INSTEAD IT COULD DO THAT LARGER PROGRAM OUT IN 42 AND I AGREE WITH YOU MAYOR THAT THE BOARD DID A LOT OF WORK ON THIS THE STAFF HAS DONE AND DONE A LOT OF WORK ON THIS AND WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD. I'M JUST TELLING YOU I STILL HAVE STRONG MISGIVINGS ABOUT THE FINANCIAL ASPECT OF IT WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO GET EVERYBODY'S DONE. BUT THAT SAID I ALSO WANTED TO HAVE SOMETHING ELSE ADDRESS REAL QUICK. MS SMITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY I BELIEVE IS SITTING BEHIND ME I WAS WONDERING IF I COULD ASK HER A QUICK QUESTION MAYOR I APOLOGIZE SHE MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN PREPARED WITH A MIKE TONIGHT. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU MS SMITH. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FROM FOR YOU MS SMITH. IN REGARDS TO THE STORMWATER PROJECTS THE PIPES UNDERNEATH THE ROAD AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT AND THE BOND WAS THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL BROUGHT FORTH WAS THAT'S A LEGAL RECOMMENDATION THAT STAFF PUT FORTH AS FAR AS HOW WE WENT THROUGH THAT PROCESS. I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION. SO RIGHT NOW. OKAY LET ME START YOU OFF WITH THIS IS THE BOND VALIDATION INCLUDE ANY TYPE OF PIPES OR DRAINAGE. FOR THE BOND VALIDATION AS NAME SUGGESTS IS BASED UPON THE RESOLUTION THAT COUNCIL PASSED AND WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO THE VOTERS. THAT LANGUAGE THAT WE APPROVE AND THAT WAS PRESENTED TO THE VOTERS. WE'RE HAVING THE COURTS ACTUALLY VALIDATE IT. AND THEN IN THAT VALIDATION PROCESS IS THERE ANY MENTION OF OF ANY TYPE OF STORMWATER FIXTURES. STORMWATER IN THE SENSE OF STORMWATER RETENTION PONDS ESSENTIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A ROAD YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE DRAINAGE BUT NOT THE ACTUAL UNDERLYING PIPES THE CULVERTS THAT TYPE OF THING. NOW THAT ISN'T IN PART OF THE BOND VALIDATION IT IS NOT PART OF THE PETITION THAT'S BEEN FILED. I JUST WANT MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CLEAR FROM THE PUBLIC THAT THAT'S NOT PART OF IT. JUST TO REPHRASE THAT. AND WAS THAT A LEGAL RECOMMENDATION FOR YOU KNOW HOW WE WOULD CHANGE THAT OR WHETHER WE SHOULD CONSIDER CHANGING THAT. IT'S NOT SO MUCH THAT WE COULDN'T WHAT. I MEAN THE VOTERS

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HAVE VOTED. IT CAN'T BE CHANGED IS WHETHER YOU KNOW WE COULD ASK THE COURT TO INTERPRET CERTAIN LANGUAGE THAT THAT MAY ENCOMPASS THAT. BUT AT THIS POINT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE HAVE DONE. IT WAS NOT THOUGHT BY BOND COUNCIL THAT THE CURRENT LANGUAGE WAS NECESSARILY THE MOST AMENDABLE TO IT BUT CERTAINLY IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULDN'T RECOMMEND UNLESS A JUDGE SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT IT COULD BE USED IN THAT MANNER. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS CLEAR. AND NOW WE DO HAVE WE HAVE WE HAVE A STORMWATER PROJECT PLAN THAT FOLKS WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE SPENDING THAT IN THE RIGHT AREA. AND I WANT FOLKS TO KNOW THAT SAME THING FOR THE ROAD BOND. THERE'S STILL LEGAL LEGAL HURDLES WE HAVE TO JUMP IN THAT WE HAVE TO SEE OUR WAY THROUGH TO MAKE SURE WE DO THINGS THE RIGHT WAY. WE DON'T WANT BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE HAD TO PAY BACK PEOPLE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND IN THEIR TAXES BECAUSE WE DIDN'T DO A PROCESS THE RIGHT WAY. SO I JUST WANT MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE EVERYBODY IS CLEAR ON THAT. SO ANYHOW THAT BEING SAID AND THEN ONE OTHER ONE LAST THING MAYOR JUST WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OTHER ISSUES HERE. MR. WANTANABE I DID HAVE THIS CONVERSATION WITH THEM REGARDING THE IN HOUSE VERSES OUT OF HOUSE. DESIGN ENGINEERING AND I APOLOGIZE MR. WANTANABE. I KNOW YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG BUT I THINK WHAT THE GENERAL THING THAT I PULLED FROM THAT WAS THAT YOU KNOW WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GONNA HIRE THE PEOPLE NECESSARY TO DO THE WORK BUT WE HAVE SUFFICIENT IN-HOUSE EXPERTISE TO OVERSEE THAT PROCESS WHICH WOULD STILL BE GENERAL FUNDED TO BE FUNDED BY A GENERAL FUND. THE OVERSIGHT WOULD BE DONE BY CURRENT STAFF THAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. THE DESIGNS THAT WE DO RIGHT NOW FOR 31 32 AND THESE ARE THE STREETS OUR CURRENT PUBLIC WORKS STAFF THAT ARE DOING THE WORK RIGHT NOW.

THEY WOULD DO THE OVERSIGHT BUT WE'LL HAVE NEW EMPLOYEES TO HELP GET THESE PROJECTS GOING AGAIN. IT DOES TAKE US ENGINEERING AT A LOWER LEVEL AND SOME INSPECTORS THAT WE NEED TO THEN HELP GET UP TO SPEED BECAUSE THIS WOULD BE SUCH A LARGE MAGNITUDE. OUR CURRENT STAFF CAN'T HANDLE IT JUST BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY AND A CYCLING PHASING SO WE DO HAVE THE IN-HOUSE EXPERTISE AND WE'LL BE PROVIDING THE OVERSIGHT. AND ALSO ANOTHER THING. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HERE STAFF IS AWARE OF IT BUT I WAS HAVING SOME CONVERSATIONS I THINK THERE WAS A BELIEF THAT EVEN WITH THE MALABAR PROJECT THAT WAS ACTUALLY A CONTRACTOR THAT WAS HIRED OUT TO DO DESIGN PLANS IT WASN'T CITY IT DEFINITELY WASN'T CITY AND IT WAS EVEN THE COUNTY IS WHAT I FOUND OUT. AND SO NOW YOU HAVE RISK EITHER WAY. I DO THINK THAT'S SOMETHING FOR US TO CONSIDER. MR. GAUME MENTIONED HAVING A PROCESS PERHAPS CONSIDERING PUT IT OUT THERE SEE WHAT THE COSTS ARE NOW OUTSIDE COMPARED TO OUR INTERNAL ESTIMATES JUST SO WE CAN PROVE THAT SHOW THE PUBLIC THAT WE'RE BEING RESPONSIBLE STEWARDS AND IF IT COMES BACK CHEAPER MAYBE THEN WE CAN CONSIDER THAT ROUTE. IF NOT THEN WE WE THEY CAN'T BEAT US. THEY CAN BE BEAT IN-HOUSE PRICE AND WE STICK WITH IN-HOUSE BECAUSE I THINK I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH GOING WITH THE LOWER ONE. I MEAN THERE'S STILL A QUESTION WELL HOW DO WE PROVE WITHOUT DOUBT THAT IN-HOUSE IS GONNA BE LOWER. I BELIEVE IN MY GUT THAT IT PROBABLY IS BUT I STILL WOULD MIND SEEING BIDS. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT COULD BE PART OF THE RF. WELL I GUESS IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A SEPARATE RFP ANYWAYS BECAUSE OF THE INSPECTION AND SO FORTH THAT'RE INVOLVED WITH THE CONTRACTOR. BUT IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. SO I WOULDN'T. I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HEARING MORE ABOUT THAT. BUT ANYHOW MY PRIMARY GOAL IS SEEING UNIT 42 PERHAPS ADDED INTO THERE IF WE HAVE TO TAKE SOME OF THE SMALLER ONES OUT YEAR ONE TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T GO OVERBOARD HERE WHEN I'M FINE WITH THAT. I THINK THERE WAS SOMETHING  SUGGESTED BY THE DEPUTY MAYOR AND A COUPLE OF THE OTHER SMALL ONES IN THE NORTHEAST THAT I DON'T HAVE. I DO AGREE THOSE COULD BE A YEAR TWO PROJECT. JEREMY. WANTING TO GET THE BEGINNING OF A PLAN FOR YEAR 1 CAN GET APPROVAL SO WE CAN BEGIN. I'VE LOOKED AT OTHER PLANS SPECIFICALLY TO THE CITY OF PORT ST. LUCIE FOR THEIR REPAVING PLAN. THEY HAVE A PRETTY GOOD ONLINE PRESENCE AND DOCUMENTATION OF WHAT'S EXPECTED AND COST ESTIMATES WELL DEFINED AND A MAP THAT'S INTERACTIVE. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD WAS ASKING ABOUT DELAYS AND COSTS THERE'S ASSOCIATED COSTS IN THAT I BELIEVE THE ORIGINAL [INAUDIBLE] 2016 CONDITION INDEX STUDY GAVE A COST OF DEPRECIATION THAT THE ROADWAY DEGRADES IF IT DEGRADES PAST THE POINT OF SIMPLE REPAIR WHICH YOU GUYS ALLUDED TO BEFORE THE THIN LIFTS AS OPPOSED TO THE FULL DEPTH 

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RECLAMATION AND RECONSTRUCTION WHAT IS THE COST PER YEAR I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT WAS LIKE 7 MILLION FROM THE [INAUDIBLE] STUDY.  DO YOU GUYS REMEMBER THAT? SORRY I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER. FOR THE COST OF THE REDO OR THE COST OF THE ROAD MAINTENANCE PROGRAM THAT WE'D HAVE TO ACTUALLY FUND. SO YOU HAVE A INFRASTRUCTURE AND IF YOU DON'T MAINTAIN IT CORRECTLY IT COSTS MORE MONEY TO NOT MAINTAIN IT THAN TO REPAIR. I BELIEVE IT WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT NORTH OF 7 MILLION. IF I REMEMBER RIGHT YEARLY. YEAH. SO THAT WAS ONE THING THAT WANTING TO APPROVE A YEAR ONE PLAN AND TWO WANTING TO GET APPROVALS SO THAT YOU COULD HAVE STAFF TO MAKE A PROPER PLAN THAT THAT MATCHES ST LUCIE'S QUALITY AND HELPS ANSWER THE CITIZEN'S QUESTIONS.

AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD FOR YOU WAS YOUR RECENT STUDY OF THE ROADS FOR THE YEAR 1 YOUR PCI ASSESSMENTS HOW FAR OFF HAVE THEY BEEN FROM THE 2016 NUMBERS. JUST TO HIGHLIGHT AGAIN THE PCI RATING FACTOR YOU KNOW WAS DONE 2016 IS A VISUAL MONITORING OF THE ROADWAY CONDITION AND THEN IT TAKES AN ENGINEER OR A TECHNICIAN TO LOOK AT IT AND DECIDE WHAT THE RATING NUMBER IS. AND THIS IS IN IT'S A SPORADIC AVERAGING OF ROADWAY SURFACE. SO IT COULD CHANGE DRAMATICALLY BASED ON IF YOU HAVE AREAS THAT HAVE A LOT OF WATER ON YOUR SURFACE THAT HAS NOT BEEN MOVED. IF HE'S GOT A LOT OF TRUCK TRAFFIC ON IT AS NORMAL WEAR AND TEAR IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN MAINTAINING IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM IN SOME SENSE EVEN CLEAN THE ROADS. IT ALL ADDS TO THE DISTRESS PAVEMENT CONDITION. SO IT DOES PLAY A FACTOR. THE GOOD EXAMPLE MAYBE WAS WHEN THE DISCUSSION ABOUT UNIT 41 IS ON THE YEAR ONE AND UNIT 41 IS ACTUALLY IN GOOD CONDITION THERE'S ONLY REALLY TWO REALLY BAD THAT I WOULD EVEN QUASI CALL CALL FDR. [INAUDIBLE] . BUT THAT UNIT COULD LAST A COUPLE MORE YEARS COMPARED TO AREAS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN 42 THAT IF WE DON'T DO IT NEXT YEAR OR TWO I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE PUSHING FDR AND BASE FAILURES INTO FULL RECONSTRUCT SO THAT'LL GO NOW FROM THAT AREA SHOULD ONLY BE COSTING MAYBE 5 10 MILLION DOLLARS TO WAY MORE WHEN YOU START DEALING WITH A LOT LARGER MAJOR CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS. THE DOOM AND GLOOM GAME BECAUSE THEY TAKE A LOT MORE TIME TOO IT'S NOT A FAST OVERLAY IT'S NOT A FAST MILL MACHINE COME BACK WITH AC YOU'VE GOTTA RIP OUT THE ROAD YOU GOTTA RIP OUT THE SUB BASE YOU GOT TO RE-ESTABLISH THE SUB BASE DURING THIS ENTIRE TIME YOU GOTTA KEEP ONE LANE OF TRAFFIC OLD BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT TO GET OUT OF THEIR HOMES YOU KNOW AND THEN YOU GOT TO DO ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD FIRST AND YOU HAVE TO THE OTHER SIDE THE ROAD SO THAT ADDS IN THE LOGISTICS AND TIME AND EFFORT WHERE THOSE THEN PLAY A BIGGER COST WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT THESE HEAVILY DENSED AREAS AND THAT'S WHY CONTRACTORS IF THEY SEE AREAS LIKE IN UNITS 31 AND 32 THEY SAY THAT'S A DOT YOU KNOW WHERE THEY SEE AREAS LIKE [INAUDIBLE] AND LOCHMOOR AREAS THERE THERE ARE SOME STREETS UP THERE THAT ARE IN BAD CONDITION TOO A FEW BUT NOT A LOT BUT THERE ARE FEW THOSE AREAS HAVE A LOT MORE HOMES A LOT MORE TRAFFIC A LOT MORE ISSUES SO THAT PLAYS A FACTOR AS WELL. SO THOSE ALL HAVE TO BE LOOKED AT AND I THINK THE BEST THING WOULD BE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS IS TO AFTER THE FIRST YEAR USE IT AS OUR BENCHMARK AND SEE WHAT WE HAVE. SEE WHERE WE'RE HEADED AND THEN TWEAK THE HECK OUT OF IT AND WE'LL COME BACK HERE NEXT YEAR AND FINALIZE A BETTER PLAN. I MEAN THAT'S JUST MY ONLY SUGGESTION. I'VE DONE A LOT OF ROAD PROJECTS I'VE DONE A LOT OF PAVING PROJECTS. I THINK YOU'RE STILL AHEAD OF THE HORSE IN A LOT OF AREAS AND A LOT OF AREAS IF YOU HAVE ANY BAD ROADS I THINK THERE'S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO FIX THOSE BAD ROADS BECAUSE IF YOU'VE GOT A GREAT BOND MEASURE THAT CAME IN THAT HOPEFULLY WOULD ADDRESS ALL THOSE ISSUES. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. THANK YOU, SIR. WITH YEAR ONE ALL THE PERMITTING HAS BEEN APPROVED. CORRECT? YEAR ONE ALL THE LOCAL STREET PERMITS. WE STILL WE HAVE A MEETING WITH AGAIN WE'RE WAY AHEAD OF TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF THE HORSE SO WE HAVE THE PLANS READY TO GO. I WAS WAITING FOR DIRECTION TO SAY SO WE'RE GONNA BE WITH ST. JOHN'S STANDARD ROADWAY OVERLAYS SHOULD NOT REQUIRE ITS MAINTENANCE STANDARD ROADWAY PAVING THE MAINTENANCE SHOULD NOT REQUIRE ST. JOHN'S PERMIT. HOWEVER UNITS 31 32 HAVE SUCH A LARGE AREA. I WANT TO BE AHEAD OF THE HORSE. WE'RE GONNA BE WITH ST. JOHN'S AND CAN GET THEIR BLESSING SO WE DON'T GET SLAPPED LATER ON AND SAY YOU KNOW YOU SHOULD HAVE GOT A PERMIT. SO I THINK WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET THE PERMITS WAY ENOUGH TIME BY JULY WAY ENOUGH TIME 30 DAY TOPS TO GET A PERMIT FROM ST. JOHN. WHICH WOULD STILL HAVE A STARTING IN AUGUST.

YEP. I VOTE FOR.

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WHAT WOULD BE A TIMELINE DO YOU THINK? UNIT 42 IS THE BEST NEWS BECAUSE WE ALREADY WE HAVE ALL PERMITS WE'RE INSTALLING RIGHT NOW. SO THAT COULD BE EASILY ADDED TO YEAR ONE. EASILY. MR. WANTANABE I JUST HAD ONE QUESTION IF WE HAVE A OUTSIDE CONTRACTORS IN ALL FOUR QUADRANTS. DO WE HAVE ENOUGH INSPECTORS TO DO THE OVERSIGHT MEANING EMPLOYEES. THAT'S WHAT I'M CONCERNED CURRENTLY. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE SIX INSPECTORS AND CURRENTLY WE NOW HAVE A LOT OF PROJECTS ON CONSTRUCTION AND MORE TO START CONSTRUCTION. THE ANSWER IS NO. IF WE START THESE BOND PROJECTS WE NEED TO HAVE AT LEAST FOUR NEW INSPECTORS. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND ONE INSPECTOR PER QUADRANT. IT'S REALLY JUST MY HISTORY OF LEARNING IS YOU GOT TO HAVE INSPECTORS OUT THERE WHEN THE TRUCKS COME IN YOU GOT TO HAVE INSPECTORS OUT THERE PULLING THE TABS CHECKING THE ASPHALT MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS DONE RIGHT BECAUSE I HATE TO SAY CONTRACTORS WHEN THE INSPECTORS NOT THERE THEY HAVE A TENDENCY TO LIKE ANY CONTRACTOR. SO WE HAVE TO HAVE OUR INSPECTORS OUT THERE WATCHING THE HANDS.

THE REASON WHY I ASKED THAT QUESTION VERY IMPORTANTLY IS THAT'S WHERE YOU CAN DETERMINE PROBLEM IF IT'S ABOUT TO OCCUR OR NOT. OH DEFINITELY YOU COULD. I'VE BEEN DOING ENOUGH OF THESE ASPHALT CONSTRUCTION PROJECT YOU COULD TELL IF YOUR BASE IS GOOD YOU COULD TELL WHEN THE ROCK IS GOOD. AND ALSO WHEN YOU WHEN YOU HAD THAT BASE MATERIAL PUT IN THE COQUINA ROCK  YOU COULD WALK AND YOU COULD IF IT'S GOOD OR DOES IT NEED TO BE TWEAKED WHEN YOU BRING IN THE ASPHALT AS YOU CAN SEE THE TYPE OF EQUIPMENT YOU CAN SEE THERE FIRST FEW ASPHALT TRUCKS IF THE PLANT IS PUTTING OUT GOOD MATERIAL YOU KNOW IF THE PLANT'S PUTTING OUT CRAPPY MATERIAL YOU STOP IT REAL FAST SAY THAT'S IT. YOU NOW WHAT I'M SAYING? YOU CAN START SEEING GRAVELING RIGHT OFF THE BAT. YOU CAN SEE MATERIALS NOT FOLDING IN TIGHTLY YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? SO YOU CAN CATCH IT REALLY EARLY ON WHERE IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE INSPECTORS OUT THERE THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS. THANK YOU MAYOR. YOU KNOW WE CAN MASSAGE THIS AD NAUSEUM. I MEAN EVERYBODY'S GOT A DIFFERENT IDEA. WE WE HAVE A PLAN. IT WAS SUBMITTED. THAT WAS YOU KNOW WE DISCUSSED IT. PUBLIC WORKS WORKED ON IT A LOT. UH I THINK IT'S A GOOD PLAN. IS IT PERFECT.

LORD NO. NO PLAN WE SUBMIT IS GONNA BE PERFECT. YOU WANT TO ADD YOU KNOW THIS SECTION YOU WANT TO TAKE THIS SECTION OUT. YOU WANT TO ADD THIS YOU WANT TO ADD THAT. THE THING ABOUT IT IS IS LOOK WE HAVE A PLAN. WE'RE GONNA LEARN FROM THIS AFTER THE FIRST YEAR. BELIEVE ME WE'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA LEARN. IS IT GONNA BE PERFECT? NO.

BUT NO PLAN IS GONNA BE PERFECT. BUT WE HAVE A PLAN. TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE FOLKS. SO LET'S GET STARTED. ON THAT PARTICULAR NOTE NOW I WANT TO BRING IT TO COUNCIL BECAUSE WE HAVE TO COME TO A CONSENSUS HERE ON OUR SIDE THEY HAVE DONE THEIR JOB. THEY DROPPED IT ON OUR LAP AND NOW WE NEED TO DELIBERATE IN REGARDS TO CAN WE LIVE WITH THE LIST IS GIVEN TO US RIGHT NOW. OR DO WE HAVE A CONSENSUS ON WHAT WE WANT TO ADD OR AND HAS TO BE A CONSENSUS OF COUNCIL. WHAT WE ADD OR DON'T ADD. SO JUST ONE THING I WANTED TO SAY REAL QUICK. JUST TO COUNCILMAN BAILEY'S POINT PIPES UNDER THE ROAD. IT WAS IN THE LANGUAGE. IT WAS ON OUR WEBSITE. WE'D BE DOING A BIG DISSERVICE TO THE 66 PERCENT THAT VOTED FOR THIS TO NOT HAVE IT IN THAT LANGUAGE. I'LL BRING IT BACK UP AT THE COUNCIL MEETING BECAUSE I WAS TOLD FROM LEGAL THAT IT SEEMED LIKE COUNCIL DIRECTION AND THE PASSING OF THE RESOLUTION THAT THE PIPES WEREN'T INCLUDED IN THAT WOULD GO AGAINST 32 THOUSAND PEOPLE WHAT THEY VOTED FOR SO I'LL BRING THAT BACK UP TO THE COUNCIL AND THEN THE LAST THING I WANTED TO SAY IS IF WE GO WITH THIS PLAN THAT'S FINE AND GOOD. YOU KNOW HEY WE'RE A COUNCIL WE NEED TO STICK TOGETHER BUT THERE WILL BE SOME KIND OF PROBLEMS WITH ACTUALLY GOING OUT TO PROCUREMENT BECAUSE WE DO HAVE 41 ALL BY ITSELF. THESE TWO ARE SPLIT THESE TWO ARE GOOD AND THESE THREE ARE GOOD BUT LIKE OUR GROUPING IS GONNA BE A PROBLEM WE ONLY HAVE 115 MILES IN YEAR ONE DEFINITELY CAN'T HAVE FOUR CONTRACTORS IN HERE YOU KNOW THAT'S A LITTLE OVER 30 MILES A PIECE THAT'S NOT FEASIBLE FOR FOUR CONTRACTORS AND YOU KIND OF RUN INTO THE SAME PROBLEM WITH YEAR TWO AND YEAR THREE THAT WE WOULD NEVER HAVE FOUR CONTRACTORS DOING 120 MILES IN A YEAR THAT JUST WOULDN'T BE FEASIBLE FOR YOUR COMPANY TO COME HERE AND DO BUSINESS SO WE'RE GOING TO LOSE A LOT OF THUNDER I MEAN I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ANYTHING YOU GUYS DECIDE HERE BUT JUST WHEN WE CUT IT LIKE THIS WE'RE GONNA LOSE A LOT OF OUR HEY YOU CONTRACTOR JUST BID 41 AND YOU BID 32 AND 31 WE MIGHT RUN INTO A PROBLEM WHEN WE PUT THIS OUT THE BID IS ONLY GO WITH ONE CONTRACTOR TWO CONTRACTORS YOU KNOW YOU CAN'T REALLY SPLIT THAT UP. I GUESS WE'LL LEAVE THAT WE MAKE THE DECISION OF THE PLAN EXECUTE THE PLAN AND WE'LL LEAVE THAT TO STAFF IF YOU WANT TO BE HIRED AS DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS.

DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS.

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GOVERNING BODY AND WE TRUST THAT THE PEOPLE THAT WE HIRE. IF WE MESS THIS UP THEY'RE NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT PW DIRECTOR THEY'RE GOING TO BE LIKE BRIAN ANDERSON YOU SAID THIS WOULD MAKE SENSE AND THIS MAKES NO SENSE. YOU MADE A PROMISE YOU COULDN'T KEEP.  I'VE BEEN I'VE EVERY TIME PEOPLE HAVE COME UP TO ME MAYOR YOU PROMISED ME THAT YOU WERE GONNA DO UNIT 31 AND 32 I SAY  HOLD ON ONE SECOND. MY NAME IS WILLIAM CAPOTE WHAT MAYOR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT. I UNDERSTAND. THAT'S THE REALITY OF THIS BUSINESS THAT GIVE  THIS RIGHT HERE WHAT WE HAVE WHAT THEY HAVE DONE FOR US THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE ON THIS BOARD IS GIVEN US A BLUEPRINT TO GET SOMEWHERE OK AND I ALWAYS SAID I'M NOT GOING TO HIDE BEHIND BEHIND THE INFRASTRUCTURE BOARD BECAUSE THE FINAL DECISION IS OURS I THINK THAT TODAY WE WE'RE JUST MAKING A DECISION THAT YOU KNOW IT IS THANK YOU IT IS WHAT IT IS RIGHT THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY WE'RE GONNA MAKE A DECISION THAT IS NOT GOING TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE IT AND IF WE WANT TO ADD 42 HOW MANY WANT TO ADD 42? I'M ASKING THE QUESTION. I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO IT IF WE TOOK OFF 41 AND PUT 42 ON MY CONCERN WAS THE TIMING OF IT BECAUSE GOT TO GET THINGS GOING WELL. OK SO THAT'S THE WHOLE THING IF 42 IS A CONSENSUS IT IS IMPORTANT TO GET IT AS HAS BEEN RELAYED TO US BY STAFF THAT 42 SHOULD BE ON YEAR ONE. COUNCIL DO YOU FEEL THAT 42 SHOULD BE ADDED. MAYOR IF I MAY. YES. MY ONLY CONCERN AGAIN IS THE COST. 42 IS A 13 MILLION COST SO EVEN IF YOU TOOK OUT 41 WHICH IS ONLY 900 THOUSAND YOU MIGHT AS WELL JUST LEAVE IN 41 I PUT IN 42 BUT I WOULD I WOULD I WOULD ADVISE AGAINST IT I WOULD GO WITH THE WAY THE CURRENT THE WAY. THAT'S MY OPINION I'M HEARING  41 42 THING. I JUST WANT TO SAY I THINK COUNCILMAN BAILEY MADE SOME VERY GOOD POINTS AND POINTED OUT THE FACT THAT 42 ALREADY HAS A LOT OF THE STORMWATER PROJECT THAT WILL BE DONE PRETTY SOON HOWEVER FOR ME IT'S THAT'S ONE REASON WHY I WANTED TO SEE NUMBERS BECAUSE LOOKING AT THESE NUMBERS WILL THEN HELP ME TO DETERMINE WHICH DIRECTION WE GOT TO GO. AND JUST LOOKING AT THESE NUMBERS THIS IS JUST MAKES SENSE TO ME. I MEAN 42 COULD BE YEAR TWO. IT COULD COME FROM 4 TO 2 AND WE COULD DO IT IN YEAR TWO BECAUSE WE'RE DEALING WITH ALL THE STORM WATER IN THERE AS IT'S CURRENTLY IT'S LOOKING RIGHT NOW. MY PERSONAL OPINION. LET'S KEEP IT AS IS. LET'S UNLEASH IT. SEE WHAT IT DOES AND IN YEAR TWO WE COULD TWEAK BUT I THINK THAT THEY'VE DONE THEY DO THAT THEY DID THEIR DUE DILIGENCE TO BRING AND THAT'S A LOT OF PERSONALITIES HERE I KNOW FOR A FACT. SO THERE'S A LOT OF PERSONALITIES SITTING ON THE RIGHT SIDE AND FOR THEM TO COME TO A CONSENSUS OF THIS IS JUST LIKE US. CAN I JUST ASK ONE THING. CAN WE MAYBE REMOVE 41 TO YEAR TWO AND ADD 46 THAT WOULD MAKE YOU THREE THINGS. EXCEPT FOR 31 32 THAT WOULD GIVE YOU THREE BIG AREAS TO SEND OUT TO BID. 46 YEAR TWO NOW WE COULD MAKE 41 YEAR TWO AND 42 YEAR TWO AND THAT WOULD GIVE YOU A THREE BIG AREAS TO BID RIGHT THERE IN BETWEEN LIGHT BLUE AND LIGHT BLUE AND IT'S TWO MILLION DOLLARS IT'S NOT MUCH OF A COST. OK. SO IF YOU REMOVE 41 WHICH IS A MILLION DOLLARS IT'S ONLY A MILLION DOLLARS MORE AND THAT GIVES YOU A LITTLE MORE LEVERAGE WHEN YOU'RE OUT TO PROCUREMENT AT LEAST YOU'D HAVE THIS WHOLE SECTION RIGHT HERE.  RIGHT BETWEEN LIGHT BLUE ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT HAND CORNER. OK IF I MAY I JUST WANT TO JUMP ON WHAT SOMETHING THAT DEPUTY MAYOR ANDERSON SAID AGAIN I WANT TO YOU KNOW I HATE TO BE THE BEARER OF BAD NEWS HERE BUT I JUST WANT TO LOOK AT THIS LOGICALLY IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC BECAUSE REMEMBER MR. WANTANABE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HE WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT HE HAD AND ACTUALLY WAS ONE OF MY CONCERNS TOO WAS THE TRAFFIC. IF YOU HAVE THESE THREE UNITS RIGHT YOU MADE YOUR YOU KNOW YOU'RE RISKING SOME SORT OF GRIDLOCK HERE. AND THE THING WITH HAVING THESE TWO UNITS SEPARATED IS THAT THEY PRETTY MUCH RUN INTO THE NEXT UNIT INTO

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46. SO SO IF YOU'RE DOING THESE UNITS OVER HERE YOU KNOW I CAN IMAGINE IT'S PROBABLY EASIER FOR THEM TO DIRECT TRAFFIC RIGHT OUT OF THESE UNITS AND INTO A UNIT THAT'S NOT BEING AND I SEE MR. WATANABE NODDING HIS HEAD YES AND INTO THE UNIT THAT'S NOT BEING WORKED ON. SO AGAIN JUST JUST LOOKING AT THIS LOGISTICALLY I CAN SEE WHY. IT WAS CHOSEN THE WAY IT WAS. RIGHT. RIGHT. THE ONE THING ABOUT PALM BAY STREETS IS THERE'S ALWAYS A WAY TO GET OUT. EVER HAVE ONE HAS A WAY OUT. NOT NECESSARILY. THERE'S ALWAYS A WAY. NOT NECESSARY. NOT NECESSARILY.  AGAIN WHAT I WAS TRYING TO FINISH THE THOUGHT PROCESS IS WE ARE NOT GOING TO PLEASE EVERYBODY HERE. I THINK THAT THEY DID THEIR DUE DILIGENCE LET'S STICK WITH IT AND LET'S GO. MAYOR. I'LL DEFER. GO AHEAD. I HAD HEARD THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE 30 TO 50 MILLION A YEAR. IT COULD RANGE BETWEEN THAT. WELL IF YOU ADD 42 TO 13 MILLION WHAT'S ALREADY PLANNED 32. [INAUDIBLE] I'LL LET THE CITY MANAGER ANSWER THAT. SO THE BOND IS FOR 150 MILLION. SO EVERY TIME WE DRAW DOWN ON THE BOND AND I KNOW WE INITIALLY SAID WE WOULD DO FIVE DRAWS BUT IT MAKES MORE FINANCIAL SENSE POSSIBLY TO ONLY DRAW DOWN THREE TIMES BECAUSE YOU LOSE A PERCENTAGE AND A HALF OR A PERCENTAGE AND THREE QUARTERS TO FINANCING YOU GOTTA PAY THE BANK TO TAKE THE MONEY OUT. SO WE WOULD ACTUALLY TRY TO MORE OR LESS PULL 50, 50 AND 50 DURING THE PROJECT MAYBE FIRST YEAR. OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE AT 50. THAT'S FINE. WE CAN TAKE THE OTHER PORTION AND KIND OF PUT IF OFF TO THE SIDE INVEST GET YOUR TWO THREE MOVE MOVE INTO THAT DRAW AND THEN SEE HOW THAT WORKS OUT FOR YEARS 2 AND 3 AND THEN HOW WORKED UP FOR FOR THE LAST YEAR. SO WE WERE ACTUALLY FINANCIALLY TRYING TO GET A PLAN FIRST TRY TO GET A PLAN FIRST BEFORE WE REALLY GET DELVE INTO THE FINANCIAL PORTIONS OF YOU KNOW DRAW DOWN THE BOND WHOM FROM BRING IT TO COUNCIL. SO THE FIRST PART WAS A YEAR BUT YOU BROUGHT UP THE POINT OF 50 MILLION AND THAT IS KIND OF IN THE BACK OF OUR HEAD WHERE WE'RE KIND OF DRAWING TO LIKE THREE DRAWS OF 50 TO KEEP THE OVERHEAD DOWN ON THE FINANCIAL BURDEN OF DRAWING DOWN ON THE BOND. AND MAYOR JUST BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THAT WAS REALLY MY IT'S MY MY THING IS BECAUSE I DON'T LOOK YOU DON'T DEFER CHANGING THE TIRES ON YOUR CAR IN ORDER TO GO FIX ANOTHER VEHICLE THAT HAS A TRANSMISSION YOU AT LEAST KEEP THE ONE RUNNING RUNNING THAT'S CHEAPER. IT'S WHEN YOU HAVE YOU HAVE UNLIMITED MONEY YOU CAN DO IT ALL AT ONCE GREAT. DO IT ALL AT ONCE. IF YOU HAVE LIMITED FUNDS YOU HAVE TO BE FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBLE WITH WHAT YOU'RE DOING. AND SO WE ASKED STAFF TO DO SOMETHING. THE BOARD LOOKED OVER IT AND WAS GOOD WITH IT. I THINK STAFF WAS LOOKING INTO THE WHOLE IDEA OF THE FOUR CORNERS. I'M NOT COMPLETELY PERSONALLY I'M NOT COMPLETELY BEHOLDEN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. I DO THINK THE WHOLE CITY NEEDS TO SEE SOMETHING IN THIS PLAN AND IN THE END AS LONG AS WE MEET ALL THE RESIDENTS EXPECTATIONS BY THE TIME WE'RE DONE WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A PROBLEM. WE MAKE A DECISION NOW THAT LIMITS OUR ABILITY DO THAT IN YEAR FIVE. SOMEBODY IS GONNA HAVE A PROBLEM. IT MIGHT JUST BE COUNCILMAN JOHNSON AT THAT POINT I DON'T KNOW BUT AT SOME POINT IN TIME THERE IS A PROBLEM AND IT'S JUST IT'S JUST NOT RIGHT. AND SO WHAT I WANTED TO AS YOU LOOK AT THE SOUTHEAST PORTIONS THERE YOU LOOK AT WHERE NORTH SOUTHEAST I SHOULD SAY 11, 15 AND 56 THERE'S A LITTLE QUAD THERE WELL THREE OF THEM IS NOT A QUAD BUT A LITTLE A LITTLE AREA THERE. THAT AREA IS JUST UNDER JUST ABOUT 4 MILLION DOLLARS. SO IF YOU TAKE THAT OFF THE 12.5 OF THE OTHER ONE YOU'RE ADDING ABOUT 8 MILLION DOLLARS TO THE 32 THAT'S THERE. SO ANYHOW POINT MEANS TO BE ABOUT 47 MILLION DOLLARS IF YOU TAKE THOSE THREE 37 MILLION IF YOU TAKE THOSE THREE OUT THERE AGAIN 11, 15, AND 56 TAKE THOSE THREE OUT AND ADD 42. YOU'RE GOING TO BE AROUND 39 MILLION DOLLARS. NOW KEEP IN MIND STAFF HAS ALREADY STATED THAT THEY BELIEVE THAT THOSE WERE WE'RE ESTIMATING OVER WE'RE EXPECTING TO BE MUCH LOWER IN THAT ONCE YOU TAKE OFF 20 PERCENT OF THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE CLOSE TO 30 AGAIN. AND AS WE'RE HEARING FROM STAFF THEY MIGHT DRAW MORE THAN JUST THE FIRST YEAR'S PROGRAM ANYWAYS SO I DON'T SEE ANY NO HARM NO FOUL THERE. AND I AGREE WITH YOU MAYOR. I THINK EVERYBODY'S DONE GREAT WORK OF TRYING TO MAKE US HAPPY BUT IN THE END WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION AND WE'RE WE'VE GOT TO BE HAPPY WITH OUR DECISIONS AND I DON'T THINK I'D BE HAPPY KEEP IT AS IS I THINK THAT THIS SOME TYPE OF CHANGE OF THIS NATURE BECAUSE I KNOW THAT 42 HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED BY STAFF AND HAVING KNOWN FOR THE PAST AS MR. REIDERMAN WAS KIND OF ALLUDING TO YOU'VE GOT TO TAKE

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CARE OF CERTAIN THINGS BECAUSE THERE'S A COST TO NOT. AND SO AND THAT'S THE THAT IS THE MARGIN YOU KNOW AS ECONOMICS SOMEBODY THINKS THAT WITH THE ECONOMIC MIND YOU'RE LOOKING FOR MARGINS AND THERE'S A THERE'S A HUGE MARGIN THERE IN 42 THAT I DON'T WANT US TO LOSE AND CERTAINLY AT THE VERY LEAST IF IT'S NOT THIS YEAR I'M GOING TO KEEP HARPING ON IT FOR NEXT YEAR BUT I WOULD I REALLY THINK IT BE PRUDENT TO DO IT THIS YEAR AND THAT'S ONE WAY OF DOING IT WITHOUT HAVING TOO MUCH COST WHICH IS I THINK ONE OF MR. SANTIAGO'S CONCERNS. SO WE GO WITH THE CURRENT PLANS ACTUALLY WE END UP BEING UNDER 30 MILLION ACCORDING EVERYTHING SAID TONIGHT.

OKAY I'M GOING TO DO IT THIS WAY BECAUSE I'M NOT WE'RE NEVER GONNA GET THERE. LISA.

OKAY. GRAB THIS MAP FOR YEAR 1 OKAY OR THAT TALLY THAT WE HAVE. COUNCIL WE NEED A CONSENSUS OK OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA DOING YEAR 1. NOW I'M GONNA DO IT THIS WAY. OKAY. DOES 47 STAY OR GO? NORTHEAST. I'M JUST I'M JUST GONNA SAY THIS IF YOU DON'T MIND I'M OKAY WITH ALL OF THESE STAYING. OKAY. AND 42 BEING ADDED. SINCE WE'RE GOING TO DRAW 50. OKAY. AND WE MIGHT AS WELL. NOW COUNCILMAN SANTIAGO JUST FINISHED STATING THAT WHAT IS THE CONSENSUS THAT TO GO WITH WHAT WE HAVE HERE AND ADDING 42 ALL WE NEED IS THREE PEOPLE TO SAY YES. I SAY YES BUT WE MIGHT AS WELL TAKE OFF 41 IF THAT'S THE CASE.

NO NO NO.

SO THERE'S NO REASON TO TAKE IT OFF. I'LL LIVE WITH THAT.

JUST LIKE I SAID IT'S IMPORTANT ME TO SEE WE DO THE EFFICIENTLY. I APPRECIATE IT. OK.

DEPUTY MAYOR. I MEAN AS LEAST AS EFFICIENT AS WE CAN DO IT. YEAH LET'S DO IT. ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE ALL OF IT ADDED 42. THAT'S THE CONSENSUS. WE'VE GOT TO GET THEM THERE. NOW WE'RE

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GOING TO MOVE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS SO DAVID IN THE BACK. DO ME A FAVOR FOR THOSE THAT WISH TO SPEAK CAN YOU GO IN THAT DIRECTION SIT OVER THERE AND LINE UP SO I KNOW WHAT I'M LOOKING AT. SIT DOWN THAT ROAD. FOR CLARIFICATION WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THIS RIGHT AFTER OUR COUNCIL WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON THIS. YEAH YEAH. THIS WILL GO ON FOR A VOTE. THAT WILL BE ON A COUNCIL AGENDA JUST SO THE PUBLIC IS AWARE. SO. OK. OFFICIALLY RECORD OUR VOTES. THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU MR. MAYOR COUNCIL. YOUNG LADY IF YOU NEED A TOUR OF THE CITY ON THE BAD ROADS I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO EVERYBODY UP HERE HAS MY NUMBER. [INAUDIBLE] I KNOW MR. BATTIN WOULD LOVE TO SHOW YOU AROUND. I'LL DEFINITELY TAKE YOU UP ON THAT OFFER.

THANK YOU. MY NAME IS DAVID [INAUDIBLE] I LIVE AT 562 OLIVIA STREET SW. I LIVE IN UNIT 31.

UNIT 31 ABOUT SIX YEARS AGO GOT REALLY AGGRESSIVE AND WE MY WIFE AND I AND KIDS WENT KNOCKED ON DOORS AND HAD A BARBECUE AT OUR HOUSE WHERE PEOPLE CAME TO OUR HOUSE AND WE SOLD THEM ON THE IDEA OF PUTTING WATER INTO OUR UNIT EARLY ON. SOME OF YOU GUYS MAY REMEMBER THAT WHERE WE BROUGHT EVERYBODY THE HOUSE WE EXPLAINED TO THEM HOW THE WATER WORK AND HOW WE ASSESS THEM. WE PAID FOR OUR WATER AND OUR OWN OURSELVES SO THE UTILITY WAS VERY HAPPY TO COME OUT THERE AND GIVE US WHAT WE DID THAT BECAUSE MY WIFE AND I STAY ACTIVE. WE DID THAT WITH THE WHOLE THING IN MIND THAT EVENTUALLY HOPEFULLY THERE WOULD BE A ROAD PROJECT. [INAUDIBLE] AND WE WOULD ACTUALLY WE WOULD ACTUALLY STEP UP AND BE LIKE THERE. WHEN YOU GUYS DID THE ASSESSMENT THE FIRST ONES YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO ASSESS WAS WHO? 31 AND 32 FOR THE ROAD ASSESSMENT REMEMBER WE'RE GOING ASSESS THE ROADS.

THOSE GUYS AND DO THE ROADS OUT THERE. AND MY WIFE PUT OUR HEADS DOWN. WE SAID YOU KNOW WHAT. TAXES, WE'LL PAY FOR IT. I DIDN'T I WOULD MUCH RATHER THE ASSESSMENT THAN THE BOND AT THE END OF THE DAY BECAUSE THAT'S A BIG CHUNK. BUT OK WE PAY FOR WHAT WE GET WE WANT TO BETTER OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WE WANT TO BETTER PALM BAY. AND THIS IS ONE OF THE WAYS YOU DO IT. ALL RIGHT YOU STEP UP AND YOU PAY YOUR BILLS AND YOU MOVE FORWARD TO MAKE OUR PROPERTY WHICH INCREASES TO GET OUR STUFF TOGETHER. BRIAN YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD ARE THE NUMBER ONE CAUSE RIGHT NEXT TO LABOR. NUMBER ONE COSTS FOR MAJOR MAJOR PROJECT. IF WE DON'T GET THE MOBILIZATION COST, WE COULD SAVE MONEY IN THOSE PLACES THAT YOU DISCUSSED IT WOULD MEAN EVEN THOUGH WE'RE SAVING MONEY ELSEWHERE WITH SOME OF

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THE IDEAS THAT COUNCILMAN BAILEY MENTIONED AND I BELIEVE THIS YOUNG MAN MENTIONED JOHNSON I'M SORRY MR. JOHNSON MENTIONED WE IF WE COULD SAVE MONEY IN SOME OF THOSE PLACES AND SAVE THE MONEY THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT MOBILIZATION IT WOULD ALL BE IT WOULD ALL WORK. I BELIEVE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO DO THE ENTIRE THING BECAUSE COSTS GO UP. YOU SEE A LOT OF THIS STUFF IS DONE IN MY PAST. IS MY TIME UP? A LOT OF THIS STUFF HERE.

A LOT OF MY STUFF IS DONE BY JESUS AS I GET OLDER I DON'T THINK AS SHARP. BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THE COST OF THE MATERIAL IS DONE ON A REVOLVING SCALE LIKE A FUEL IS A COMMODITY.

I'M SORRY IT IS A COMMODITY. SO YOU'LL SEE THE COST OF THAT MATERIAL GO UP AND DOWN.

LABOR COSTS ALWAYS GO UP NO MATTER WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THE COSTS ARE GOING TO EVENTUALLY GO UP BUT WE MAY SAVE A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY ON THE COMMODITY. BUT THE LABOR THE LABOR COST WILL ALWAYS CONTINUE GO UP. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE THREE MINUTES GENTLEMAN. YOUNG LADY JUST GET MY NUMBER FROM  WHOEVER YOU NEED TO AND I'LL BE MORE HAPPY TO DRIVE YOU AROUND. GOOD EVENING. I'M JANICE [INAUDIBLE]. 3 1 1 [INAUDIBLE] STREET SE IN UNIT 25.

DITTO TO WHAT THE GENTLEMEN BEFORE ME JUST SAID I DISAPPOINTED TO HEAR THAT UNIT 42 WILL BE DONE IN YEAR ONE BEFORE UNIT 25 AND 24. IT IS WHAT IT IS UNIT 25 HAS THE THIRD LOWEST PCI IN THE CITY IT'S BEEN ON THE ROAD LIST FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. RIGHT NOW IT'S IN YEAR TWO I'M ACTUALLY HAPPY THAT IT'S IN YEAR TWO I HOPE IT'S IN THE BEGINNING OF YEAR TWO. SO I JUST ASK KEEP 24 AND 25 AT THE BEGINNING OF YEAR TWO. UNIT 24. ALSO IT'S THE FOURTH LOWEST PCI IN THE CITY. SO I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT EVERYONE HAS DONE I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF WORK AHEAD. I KNOW EVERYONE'S NOT GOING TO BE HAPPY. [INAUDIBLE] THANK YOU. WELL I'D LIKE TO THANK MR. BAILEY FOR MAKING THE ANNOUNCEMENT ON FACEBOOK. I WOULD HAVE NEVER KNOWN THIS MEETING EXISTED BUT I WANT TO PERSONALLY THANK YOU. THE REASON WHY I'M HERE TODAY AND I'VE BEEN IN A LOT OF THESE MEETINGS. BY THE WAY MY NAME IS DENNIS [INAUDIBLE] 1059 JERSEY LANE I LIVED IN THE HOUSE FOR ABOUT TEN YEARS. MY BIGGEST CONCERN WHERE I LIVE WE HAVE 60 YEAR OLD I'M GOING TO CALL THEM CURBS BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE I AM FROM UP NORTH.

THEY'RE RAINWATER RUNOFF THEY'RE IN DEPLORABLE CONDITION THEY'RE 60 YEARS OLD THEY'RE WAY PAST THEIR LIFE NOWHERE IN THIS STATEMENT WAS THAT EVEN BEING ADDRESSED HOW ARE WE GOING TO BUILD THE ROAD WHEN THE CURBS ARE CRUMBLING AND WE'RE PUTTING OUR HEAD IN THE SAND IF YOU ASK ME. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I'VE ASKED AND I. MR. SANTIAGO MR. CAPOTE. I'VE BEEN UP THERE. LIKE WHEN IT COMES TIME TO DO IT. THESE HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED. AND I'M BRINGING IT UP AGAIN. WHEN IS THIS GOING TO BE ISSUE GOING TO BE RESOLVED. BECAUSE IF YOU BUILD ROADS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REPLACE THAT CURBING. AND THERE ISN'T EVEN A BID ON THAT. I DON'T EVEN THINK NO ONE'S THOUGHT OF IT. THAT'S MY ARGUMENT. THANK YOU. OK DULY NOTED. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. MY NAME IS DAWN [INAUDIBLE]. I'M AT 479 SW FOUNTAIN STREET AND I AM ATTENDING THIS MEETING AS A CITIZEN ALTHOUGH I AM ACTIVE IN THE CITY IN SEVERAL CAPACITIES ON A COUPLE OF BOARDS. I'M PRIVILEGED TO DO THAT. ONE OF THE BOARDS AND AS A CITIZEN WE HAVE ASKED NUMEROUS TIMES WHAT IS THE STATUS OF A LINE ITEM FOR CONTINUED MAINTENANCE OF THESE ROADS. BECAUSE DESPITE THE FACT THAT WE HAVE 150 MILLION DOLLAR BOND AT THE END OF THE DAY WHEN THE RUBBER HITS THE ROAD IF THERE IS NO MONEY TO CONTINUE THE MAINTENANCE OF WHATEVER WE'RE DOING THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE BACK IN THE SAME PLACE WE ARE RIGHT NOW HERE TODAY. SO EITHER WE GET SERIOUS AND RECOGNIZE AS A CITY WE NEED TO TIGHTEN OUR BELT AND WE NEED AT LEAST 5 MILLION DOLLARS MINIMUM. YOU KNOW I WAS BEGGING FOR A MILLION BUT REALLY LET'S BE REAL. WE'RE LOOKING AT 5 MILLION MINIMUM PER YEAR TO MAINTAIN THE 830 MILES OF ROADS THAT THIS CITY HAS. NOW EITHER THE CITIZENS UNDERSTAND THAT OR THEY DON'T. AND IF THEY DON'T AFTER THIS STATEMENT I'VE MADE PLEASE LOOK IT UP BECAUSE THIS IS A FACT. WE NEED THIS. IT HASN'T BEEN IN

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OUR BUDGET FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. I'VE LOOKED AT THE BUDGETS FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE AS A CITY CAN PASS A BUDGET WITHOUT A MAINTENANCE FOR OUR ROADS. THAT'S RIDICULOUS. AND THIS IS NOT A VALUE STATEMENT ON ANYBODY IN PARTICULAR IT'S JUST AN OVERALL OBSERVATION SO AS A CITIZEN AND AS A PERSON WHO IS CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY AND WELL-BEING FOR EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM WE NEED TO BE REAL AND IT NEEDS TO BE THERE GOING FORWARD. I ALSO AGREE WITH BRIAN. THE FACT THAT WE ARE NOT LIKE POOLING OUR RESOURCES INTO ONE AREA AND FOCUSING ON IT AND THEN TAKING EVERYTHING THROUGH LIKE SOME LOGICAL SENSE INSTEAD OF LIKE TAKING A DART AND THROWING IT AT A BOARD I DON'T GET IT. SO I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT THE BOARD HAS DONE AND I AM NOT MINIMIZING ALL THE WORK OR THE TIME THAT YOU'VE PUT INTO IT BUT THERE ARE LOGISTICS AND THERE'S COSTS THAT GO INTO HAVING A CONTRACTOR SHOW UP AND DO WORK. IF YOU GIVE THEM MORE TO BID YOU'RE GOING TO GET A BETTER COST PER UNIT. IT'S JUST A FACT THAT I LOVE ALL OF YOU TO PIECES AND I LOVE OUR CITY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. [INAUDIBLE] KEVIN 1 7 6 8 WINDING RIDGE CIRCLE SOUTHEAST PALM BEACH FLORIDA. MAJOR CONCERN. FIRST THING ARE WE LOOKING AT ESTIMATES OR ACTUAL NUMBERS.

THAT'S MY FIRST QUESTION. ESTIMATES. ESTIMATES SO WE'RE DOING THIS BACKWARDS BECAUSE I WOULD THINK WE WOULD NEED TO GET CONTRACTORS IN HERE BIDDING ON THIS PROJECT TELLING US WHAT IT'S GONNA BE COSTING US BEFORE WE SITTING HERE FIGHTING OVER WHO IS GOING TO FIRST WHO'S GOING TO GO LAST. IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY.

BUT CONTINUE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THE OTHER THING IS THAT WHEN WE WERE PROMOTING THIS THING IN THE FIELD WE HAD LEGAL ADVICE OR OPINIONS WE CONSULTED FOLKS OF THE CITY AND WE WERE TOLD THAT PIPES STORMWATER PIPES WOULD BE COVERED. AND NOW I'M HEARING NO. SO I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE WE WERE TOLD THAT IT WOULD BE COVERED. AND NOW WE'RE HEARING DIFFERENT AND THAT'S HOW WE SOLD THIS THING. SO THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS. MAYOR. CAN I ASK A QUESTION REAL QUICK.  MR. [INAUDIBLE] DO YOU HAVE. I MEAN I'M CURIOUS TO SEE THAT AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS AND SOMETIMES IT CAN BE UNCLEAR WHAT ONE PERSON IS TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING AND THE OTHER PERSON IS ANSWERING A DIFFERENT QUESTION SOMETIMES SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR. DO YOU HAVE IT IN WRITING WHAT WHAT WAS ASKED OR WAS THAT JUST ALL CONVERSATIONAL? CONVERSATIONAL AND SOME IN WRITING. I'D BE CURIOUS IF YOU WANTED YOU'RE NOT PUBLIC RECORDS BUT LIKE I AM BUT I'D BE CURIOUS TO SEE THAT. SO WHATEVER YOU HAVE. BECAUSE I DO WANT TO SEE WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THOSE TYPE OF ISSUES. AND THEN THE SECOND PART OF THAT IS YOU KNOW JUST IS MORE OF A STATEMENT THAN A QUESTION BUT JUST KEEP IN MIND IF WE WERE TO GO THAT ROUTE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE RUN OUT OF MONEY. SO THAT'S THE OTHER SIDE OF IT. BILL BATTIN. 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SW. I HAVE QUITE A FEW ITEMS TO ADDRESS I'LL SPEAK RAPIDLY TRY TO GET THROUGH. I DON'T SEE A BUZZER SO HOPEFULLY I WON'T EAT UP TOO MUCH TIME. ONE UNDER DESIGN OPTIONS LOOKING AT THIS PRESENTATION UNDER COLLECTORS. WELL I NOTICED THAT YOU HAD REDUCING THE WIDTH OF A ROAD FROM 20 FEET TO 18 FEET. THAT BROUGHT UP SEVERAL CONCERNS WITH ME. ONE SHOULDER FAILURE BECAUSE THE VEHICLES WILL DRIVE OFF THE SHOULDER AND THE NARROWER ROAD MEANS MORE RAPID DETERIORATION A TOPIC. TWO CLOSE QUARTERS ON INTERSECTION TURNS COMING AT APPROXIMATELY 30 MILES AN HOUR YOU'RE MAKING A RIGHT OR LEFT HAND TURN IF YOU'RE GONNA BE TURNING INTO NINE FEET OF ROAD IT'S ONLY NINE FEET WIDE. I'M WATCHING TRAFFIC NOW. THEY CAN'T KEEP IT IN THEIR LANE WHEN MAKING THE TURNS. SO YOU'VE NOW YOU'VE SHORTENED THAT AREA TO MAKE A TURN. NOW LET'S PUT A BUS STOP ON THAT SAME SHORT CORNER TWO FEET BECAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE THE KIDS ARE STANDING IS ON THE PAVEMENT NOT IN THE GRASS OR IN THE SWELL WHERE IT'S FULL OF WATER. RIGHT? LEADS TO ITEM NUMBER THREE ON THAT SAME TOPIC. PEOPLE WALK ON THE STREET HERE IN PALM BAY. WE AREN'T LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE GOT SIDEWALKS EVERYWHERE. SO THAT TWO FEET OF ROAD IS ACTUALLY WHERE PEOPLE WALK BY SHORTENING IT YOU MIGHT SAVE SOME MONEY BUT I GUARANTEE THE DEATH RATE IN PALM BAY WILL GO UP DRASTICALLY. THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE HIT PRIMARILY IT'S GOING TO BE THE KIDS WALKING TO AND FROM SCHOOL BECAUSE WE

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DON'T HAVE SIDEWALKS. THIS BOND ISN'T COVERING THAT AND I DON'T WANT IT TO EVEN PRETEND TO COVER SIDEWALKS. ITEM NUMBER TWO PURCHASE RIGHT OF WAY FOR PROPERTY IN ORDER TO PAVE THESE ROADS AND I'M RECOMMENDING YOU USE THE TIF MONEY FOR THAT. IT DOES NOT COME OUT OF THE BOND MONEY. TIF MONEY HAS IT CAN BE USED 100 PERCENT FOR PURCHASE OF RIGHT AWAY. I'M GOING TO TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT TWO ROADS WHICH WOULD BE GARVEY AND GAYNOR ROADS. GAYNOR YOU'VE ALREADY I MEAN GARVEY YOU'VE ALREADY LISTED AS YOUR COLLECTOR ROAD ALL THE WAY THROUGH THAT NEED YOU NEED TO GET LAND ACQUISITION FOR THAT IN ORDER TO DO IT. LET'S USE TIF MONEY AND NOT THE BOND MONEY FOR PAVING OF THAT ROAD. AND THEN I'D RECOMMEND THAT YOU TAKE GARVEY ALL THE WAY TO BOMBARDIER INSTEAD OF TWO BLOCKS BEFORE IT ENDS UP BOMBARDIER YOU HAVE A ROUTING THROUGH A COMMUNITY YOU HAVE SAME STREET MAKE IT GO ALL THE WAY STRAIGHT THROUGH. YOU'RE ONLY TALKING MINIMAL PURCHASE. IF YOU CAN DO THAT WITH YOUR TIF MONEY, I'LL BE A VERY HAPPY PERSON. ITEM NUMBER THREE. 46 PERCENT OF THE HOMES AND I'M LOOKING AT YOUR CHART HERE 46 PERCENT OF THE HOMES IN PALM BAY.

YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO PAY IS UNDER THE 10K RATE. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY HOMES IN PALM BAY THAT ARE UNDER TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS SO YOUR STATISTIC NUMBERS DON'T MAKE SENSE TO ME WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THAT CHART. THAT WOULD BE 46 PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE WOULD BE UNDER TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS IN PALM BAY. IF THAT'S THE CASE THEY'RE LOOKING AT ONLY 29 DOLLARS A YEAR TO PAY FOR THIS 50 MILLION DOLLAR BOND. I MEAN 150 MILLION DOLLAR BOND. I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING. I'M JUST MAKING COMPARISON UNDER THIS. I SEE IT I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND SPEAK BECAUSE IT'S VERY IMPORTANT OTHERWISE I NEVER GET MY INPUT IN. ITEM NUMBER. WITH THAT I'M LOOKING AT 588 COMPARED TO SOMEBODY ELSE AT 29 DOLLARS A YEAR. THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE FOR THE ROADS. [INAUDIBLE] SPECIAL ASSESSMENT FOR STORM WATER, 150 MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE PAVING KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS BECAUSE WE MIGHT END UP LOSING IT LET'S DON'T HURT OURSELVES. ITEM NUMBER FOUR. LOOKING AT YOUR BUDGET WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING FOR YOUR PICKUP TRUCKS IN YOUR PACKET AND JUST A WORKSHOP YOU HAD LOOKING AT EIGHT YEARS AND YOU'RE GOING TO LEASE THOSE PICKUP TRUCKS. I DID THE CALCULATION YOU'RE GONNA SPEND ALMOST A MILLION DOLLARS FOR LEASE ON A VEHICLE YOU COULD STILL SELL. THIS IS YOUR LAST QUESTION BECAUSE I'M GONNA HOLD YOU TO IT. BECAUSE THE BUZZER ALREADY WENT OFF. I UNDERSTAND. I DON'T GET TO LIMIT YOU SO WHY A WORKSHOP DO YOU LIMIT ME. OKAY. HOW DO YOU GET HOW DO YOU GET WORKSHOPS IF YOU CAN'T EVEN ADDRESS YOUR INPUT.

OKAY. LAST ONE. NO MORE DELAYS. ALL I GET. OKAY. BELIEVE ME I HAD PERTINENT INFORMATION THAT COULD BE FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE CITY. THANK YOU. OK. IT? WELL DONE WELL DONE. UNDER THE UNDER SOME OF THE COMMENTS BEING MADE WE'RE GONNA RUN OUT OF OUT OF FUNDING FOR PEOPLE OUT OF THE ROADS IF THE FUND RUNS SHORT. I'M GOING TO SPEAK FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. I'M GOING NOW GOING ON 32 YEARS. I HAVE BEEN PAYING FOR THE BONDS INTO THE CITY OF PALM BAY FOR ROADS AND I HAVE NEVER GOT MY ROAD PAVED AND I HAVE PAID FOR IT FOR 32 YEARS FOR THE BONDS FOR ROADS AND NEVER GOT A ROAD. SO OVER THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE HAD THEIR ROADS DONE SEVERAL TIMES THEY MIGHT GET EXPERIENCE WHAT I'M WHAT I HAVE LIVED THROUGH BUT I'M HOPING THAT'S NOT THE CASE I'M HOPING THIS PLAN SUCCEEDS AND WE COME OUT SMELLING LIKE ROSES. THAT'S WHAT I'M HOPING FOR. BUT IF IT DOESN'T WORK OUT THAT WAY THEN OTHER PEOPLE MIGHT EXPERIENCE WHAT WE WHERE I LIVE. I'VE SUFFERED ALREADY FOR 32 YEARS AND THE OTHER ONE WAS DUMP TRUCKS. YOU KNOW WE'RE [INAUDIBLE] DUMP TRUCKS FOR THE HAULERS FOR THE BLACK TOPPING THEY'RE IN HIGH HIGH DEMAND RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE MASSIVE GROWTH GOING ON IN THIS BREVARD COUNTY AREA RIGHT NOW. IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE JUST SITTING STAGNANT SO I'M TRYING TO LET THAT BE KNOWN THAT THEY'RE ALREADY IN HIGH DEMAND. I HOPE THAT HELPS. HOPE IT DOESN'T HURT.

I WAS JUST WONDERING WHERE WE ARE.

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FORGOTTEN. NO YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE FORGOTTEN. HI. ROSEMARY [INAUDIBLE]  AVENUE UNIT 25. I'M SO HAPPY THAT THIS IS HAPPENING. WE DON'T WANT IT NOT TO HAPPEN  WE WANT IT TO GO THROUGH AND SO MANY REASONS BUT I'M NOT GOING TO GO THERE BUT I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO REPEAT WHAT WE WENT THROUGH IN 2006 WHEN EVERYTHING TANKED THEY STOPPED AT COGAN AND WE WERE JUST ABOVE THAT. AND YOU KNOW HERE WE SAW ALL THESE NEW ROADS AND THERE WAS NOTHING THAT HAPPENED AND EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED SINCE THEN WITH THE VOTING REFERENDUMS EVERYTHING WAS IN TACT. IT WASN'T YOUR FAULT. IT WAS THE CITIZENS WHO VOTED ON IT. WE UNDERSTAND THAT. WELL WE JUST WANTED TO GO THROUGH THE BIDDING PROCESS. IT'S POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE HAS TO BE REALLY CREATIVE ON THE LANGUAGE FOR THE CONTRACTORS TO KNOW WHAT OR UNDERSTAND THE VOLUME AND TO COMMIT TO IT IN A CERTAIN WAY THAT THEY HAVEN'T COMMITTED BEFORE.

THAT IS WHAT I WOULD REALLY WISH. OK. THANK YOU. JUST BEFORE THERE WAS SOMEBODY ELSE? OKAY NO PROBLEM. HI MY NAME IS PAUL [INAUDIBLE]. MY BETTER HALF IS THE ONE THAT JUST [INAUDIBLE]. UNTIL YOU GET HOME. GO AHEAD. 2775 FLINTSTONE AVENUE SE.

WHAT MY WIFE HAD SAID AS FAR AS NOT BEING ABLE TO GET OUR ROADS DONE. WHEN THE [INAUDIBLE] CAME IN. I KNOW IT'S PART OF MONEY THAT WE JUST RAN OUT OF. SO FROM MALABAR TO COGAN MOST OF THE PEOPLE GOT THERE ROADS DONE. I WOULD SAY A GOOD SHARE THEM ARE IN GOOD SHAPE RIGHT NOW. I'M GOING TO HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH YOU MR. MAYOR. I THINK THE WORST SHOULD COME FIRST. WHEN BASKETBALL PLAYERS FOOTBALL PLAYERS COME IN FOR A DRAFT. WHAT DO THESE ORGANIZATIONS GO FOR. THEY GO FOR THE BEST MEN. THEY GO FOR THE BEST PEOPLE THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR THEM TO MAKE THEIR TEAM PROSPER. HOW MANY TIMES HAS IT FAILED. THEY COULD HAVE WHEN THEY COULD HAVE PICKED SOMEBODY WHO WASN'T THE BEST. AND THE KID COMES UP AS A HERO AND POSSIBLY AN MVP. COMES UP IN BASKETBALL COMES UP IN FOOTBALL COMES UP IN BASEBALL. THE THING THAT I WOULD JUST ONE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO GET ACROSS IS WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE NORTH SECTION 41 AND 42 I THINK IT IS OK WITH THE EXTENSION OF THE HERITAGE PARKWAY AND I'M SURE YOU FOLKS KNOW ABOUT IT HERITAGE PARKWAY IS GOING TO AFFECT SECTION 25 AND 24 AND 23. THAT'S AT THE SOUTHERN POINT OF THE PEOPLE TRAVELING THAT WHOLE AREA ON THE EXPRESSWAY EVENTUALLY GOING TO COME INTO THIS AREA [INAUDIBLE]. AND PEOPLE GONNA START LOOKING FOR HOMES. THE WHOLE METROPOLIS IS GONNA PROBABLY MOVE DOWN TO THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE CITY EVENTUALLY. CITY HALL IS GOING TO BE THE SOUTH PARK NOW AND GUESS WHAT ALL THOSE ROADS ARE GOING TO BE PICTURE PERFECT AND THAT'S WHAT THE CITY SHOULD DO AND THIS IS WHAT I THINK YOU'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO DO IS NOT TO MAKE ANYTHING THAT RIGHT NOW IS NATURAL MAKE IT WORSE MAKE SOMETHING THAT HAS POSSIBILITIES OF KEEPING IT BETTER AND MAKE IT BETTER NOW. SO FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD SIX YEARS DOWN THE ROAD IT WILL BE BETTER.

TO HIM TOM BRADY WAS 199TH DRAFT PICK. YEAH THAT'S IT EXACTLY. THERE'S BEEN THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS WHEN IT COMES TO DRAFTING PLAYERS BUT AT THE END FOR THOSE MEMBERS IN THE AUDIENCE THEY WEREN'T HERE THEY WERE THEY WERE DISCUSSIONS IN REGARDS TO THE MAINTENANCE PROGRAM AND WHERE WE WANTED TO HAVE IT AT BY THE TIME THAT THIS BOND IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE AND WE'RE TRYING TO SEE IF COLLECTIVELY AS WE CONTINUE I PROBABLY WON'T BE HERE BY THAT TIME BUT WE'RE TRYING TO WORK TOWARDS THAT THAT WE COULD HAVE AVERAGE ABOUT 7 TO 10 MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR THAT WE BUDGET TOWARDS MAINTENANCE AND I KNOW YOU WEREN'T HERE AT THE MEETING YOU'RE ASKING FOR THAT BUT COUNCIL ALREADY IS ON TOP OF THAT. THIS

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IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE JUST LIKE WE'RE JUST GONNA DO 150 MILLION DOLLARS AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO THINK ABOUT IT HOW WE'RE GOING TO MAINTAIN IT. I THINK THAT THAT'S A TWO WAY PRONG HERE THAT WE NEED TO WORK WITH. SO WITH THAT. MAYOR. GO AHEAD. IF I MAY I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS SOMETHING REAL QUICK AND YOU'RE RIGHT AND I JUST WANT TO SORT OF REFLECT WHAT YOU SAID TOO AS WELL. MAYOR YOU KNOW WHEN PEOPLE VOTED FOR THIS 150 MILLION DOLLAR BOND YOU BASICALLY SAID OKAY ROADS ARE VERY IMPORTANT NOW NOT ONLY FIX THEM BUT MAINTAIN IT. SO. SO I THINK I THINK COUNCIL HEARD THAT LOUD AND CLEAR AND WE'RE GOING TO CERTAINLY DO THAT GOING FORWARD AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S THERE'S ALWAYS MONEY IN THAT POT THAT ROAD MAINTENANCE PROGRAM. THE SECOND THING I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT TO YOU KNOW WE TALK ABOUT ROLLING IN PIPES UNDER THIS AND  YOU GOT TO UNDERSTAND THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT BY ITSELF OR THE STORMWATER CULVERTS WERE APPROXIMATELY 40 MILLION DOLLARS WHEN WE STARTED OUT WITH THAT THAT YOU KNOW IF NOW GIVE OR TAKE. SO MAYBE WE PROBABLY DID ABOUT 10 MILLION OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS. BUT BUT YOU KNOW REMEMBER THIS STARTED OUT WITH ABOUT A 195 MILLION DOLLARS. IF WE WERE TO THROW THOSE CULVERTS INTO THIS. YOU KNOW WE WOULD BE DEFICIENT BY ALMOST 20 MILLION DOLLARS OR MORE. SO YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S SOMETHING CERTAINLY THAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT. AND SO AS MR. WANTANABE SAID WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE DO IS WE SEPARATE THE TWO ROADS AND STORMWATER AND DEAL WITH STORMWATER SEPARATELY FROM ROADS BECAUSE WE DO GOT SOME REALLY BIG STORMWATER PROJECTS NAMELY FOR EXAMPLE MALABAR ROAD THAT'S GONNA BE A BIG ONE AND THAT IS A STORMWATER PROBLEM. SO I JUST WANTED TO STATE THAT. AND MAYOR JUST.

IN CLOSING. JUST TO FINISH IT OFF. I JUST WANT TO THANK MS. [INAUDIBLE] FOR HITTING ON THE MAINTENANCE THING I KNOW SHE'S DONE THAT AS THE BUDGETARY CHAIR OF OUR CITIZENS ADVISORY BOARD FOR BUDGET AND I JUST THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT YOU GUYS KNOW I'VE BEEN SITTING HERE AND WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO APPLY THAT PRESSURE BECAUSE WHEN THINGS GET TOUGH SOMETIMES IT'S EASIER TO TO CUT THERE AND THERE'S THERE'S A LOT OF TOUGH DECISIONS TO BE MADE WHEN THINGS ARE TOUGH AND THEN NOT TRYING TO BE CRITICAL OF PEOPLE IN THE PAST BUT WE HAD A TWO MILLION DOLLAR PROGRAM THEN IT GOT TAKEN OUT WHEN I CAME ON BOARD I WAS VERY EXCITED THAT WE HAD ABOUT THREE MILLION IN THE FIRST YEAR 15 AND THEN OF COURSE IT'S KIND OF DWINDLED DOWN TO THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS AGAIN. AND SO IT IS VERY IMPERATIVE THAT WE YOU KNOW THAT'S WHAT I'M SCARED THAT WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND IF WE DON'T MAINTAIN IT THEN YOU KNOW MY KID NOW MY SON OR DAUGHTER OR WHOEVER GRANDCHILDREN WHENEVER THEY'RE SITTING UP HERE THEY'RE GOING BE SITTING IN THIS SAME PROBLEM 30 35 YEARS IF WE DON'T DO THAT. AND SO I THINK IT'S VERY CRUCIAL WE DO A GOOD JOB OF PUBLIC SAFETY. THE OTHER THING WE HAVE TO DO A GOOD JOB WAS INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS TO ME THE MAIN PRIORITIES OF OUR BUS AS FOR THIS VERY REPRESENTATIVE OF THE CITY. OK ON THAT NOTE. MEETING ADJOURNED.



* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.