Jul 05, 2023 Planning and Zoning Board

GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.

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GOOD EVENING. ENABLE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD REGULAR MEETING OF JULY 5TH, 2023 IS NOW CALLED TO ORDER.

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YES, MR. BOEREMA.

PRESENT, MR. GOODE. MISS JORDAN.

PRESENT, MR. CLOUD. MR. MACLEOD.

MR. OLSZEWSKI. PRESENT, MR. WARNER. PRESENT.

MR. WEINBERG. PRESENT.

MR. KARAFFA. WE HAVE NOT HEARD FROM.

AND OUR DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY IS NOT PRESENT.

BUT WE DO HAVE A QUORUM.

THANK YOU. MAY I ASK THE AUDIENCE TO PLEASE REFRAIN FROM SPEAKING AND HAVE A SEAT?

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ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE APPLICANTS AND THE AUDIENCE.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD IS AN ADVISORY BOARD COMPRISED OF UNPAID VOLUNTEERS.

THE LAND DEVELOPMENT STAFF WILL PRESENT THE STAFF REPORT FOR EACH CASE.

BOARD MEMBERS WILL THEN BE ASKED IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

THE APPLICANT OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVE WILL THEN BE ASKED TO APPROACH THE PODIUM AND PRESENT ANY INFORMATION GERMANE TO THE CASE AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD.

FLOOR WILL THEN BE OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.

WE WILL FIRST HEAR THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE APPLICATION.

THEN THOSE OPPOSED TO THE APPLICATION FOR ALL PROCEEDINGS.

ALL APPLICANTS AND SPEAKERS FROM THE AUDIENCE MUST SIGN A SPEAKER OATH CARD LOCATED AT THE PODIUM AND AT THE SIDE OF THE ROOM.

PLEASE PRINT LEGIBLY AND SPEAK DIRECTLY INTO THE MICROPHONE AND STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS AND COMMENTS FOR THE RECORD AS A COURTESY.

IF THERE ARE A GROUP OF PEOPLE FROM A NEIGHBORHOOD WHO HAVE SIMILAR COMMENTS.

YOU INFORMALLY APPOINT A SPOKESPERSON TO CLARIFY YOUR VIEWS AFTER PUBLIC COMMENTS WILL BRING THE CASE BACK TO THE BOARD.

AT THIS TIME, THE FLOOR WILL BE CLOSED AND NO FURTHER COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE WILL BE HEARD.

I WILL THEN CALL FOR A MOTION AND A SECOND, AT WHICH TIME THE BOARD MAY HAVE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR FURTHER DISCUSSION.

I WILL THEN CALL FOR A VOTE.

DECISIONS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD ARE THEN FORWARDED TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR FINAL DISPOSITION.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENDANCE AND YOUR COOPERATION IN ADHERING TO THE MEETING GUIDELINES.

FIRST CASE. C U 23 00008.

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BOARD DO I HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE? A MOTION TO CONTINUE. CASE NUMBER Q 23 00082 AUGUST 2ND.

SECOND. MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR. CONTINUE TO AUGUST 2ND.

THE FIRST CASE THEN TO BE HEARD IS 23 0007.

MS.. RAMOS.

GOOD EVENING.

CP 23 00007.

THE APPLICANT IS JENNIFER E TORRES.

THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF WARRINGTON ROAD, SOUTHWEST IN THE VICINITY OF JUPITER BOULEVARD SOUTHWEST.

PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 1.01 ACRES AND IT CURRENTLY HAS A FUTURE LAND USE OF UTILITIES.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A SMALL SCALE, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT FROM UTILITIES TO LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

THE REQUESTED AMENDMENT WILL BRING THE FUTURE LAND USE INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE TWO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING, WHICH IS ALREADY ENCUMBERED ON THE PROPERTY. AND STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPROVAL OF CASE CP 23 00007.

I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

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THANK YOU, MS. RAMOS. DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE? NONE. THE APPLICANT OR THE REPRESENTATIVE.

PLEASE APPROACH THE MICROPHONE.

HELLO. DON'T NEED TO STATE MY NAME.

MARLEY SIMMONS.

YOUR ADDRESS? 751.

PEBBLE BEACH AVENUE, NORTHEAST PALM BAY 32905.

THANK YOU. YOU WANT TO TELL US ABOUT YOUR CASE? SO THIS THERE'S TWO PARCELS THAT JENNIFER TORRES PURCHASED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, AND HER PLAN IS TO BUILD A HOME ON THE PROPERTIES. THE SURROUNDING AREA IS ALL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND THE FUTURE USE IS UTILITY.

AND SO IN ORDER TO BUILD, WE NEED TO REMOVE THAT FUTURE USE TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

OKAY. THANK YOU. DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I DO. I HAVE.

JUST SO WHEN YOU SAY THAT SHE'S GOING TO JUST DO ARE WE DOING ONE HOME PER ONE PROPERTY OR IS IT GOING TO BE SPLIT? BECAUSE THE WAY WE LOOKED AT IT, THERE WAS GOING TO BE TWO PROPERTIES THAT WERE BUILT TO BE BUILT ON THIS PARCEL.

RIGHT. YEAH, THERE'S TWO PARCELS AND WE'RE TRYING TO FINALIZE THE SEPARATION BECAUSE THE WAY THAT THE HISTORY IS, IT WAS KIND OF STRANGE IF, IF IT WAS ACTUALLY ONE PARCEL OR TWO PARCELS.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET IT TO SO THERE'S TWO PARCELS AND SHE'S GOING TO NEED HALF OF IT OVER TO HER BROTHER WHO'S GOING TO BUILD A HOME.

AND EVENTUALLY ON THE OTHER PARCEL, SHE'S GOING TO BUILD HER HOME.

SO SO FOR CLARITY, ONE PARCEL WILL BE ONE HOME AND THE OTHER PARCEL WILL BE ANOTHER HOME.

OKAY. FOR FOR THEIR FOR THEIR OWN PERSONAL USE.

CORRECT. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

FOR THE RECORD, THERE ARE NO LETTERS IN THE FILE ON THIS CASE.

THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.

IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST? MR. BATTEN.

BILL BATTEN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

I HAVE TWO POINTS ON THIS ONE.

THE FIRST ONE IS I DON'T LIKE SEEING THE LOSS OF CITIES UTILITIES LAND ONLY BECAUSE EVENTUALLY THAT MIGHT MEAN THE CITY HAS TO START PURCHASING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY FOR UTILITIES.

THAT BEING SAID, THOUGH, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE FACT OF THE DENSITY THAT THIS THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE PUTTING ON THIS ONE ACRE PROPERTY OF ONLY ONE HOUSE ON EACH ONE OF THE LOTS.

I APPRECIATE THAT GREATLY.

AND THEY'VE MADE A GREAT LOCATION WHERE THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE SOMETHING OTHER THAN A SMALL SQUEEZED IN HOUSE ON A LOT.

IT LOOKS A LITTLE MORE ESTATE TYPE, WHICH ARE GOING TO BECOME RARE IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE IN FAVOR? ANY AGAINST? SEEING NONE. THE FLOOR IS NOW CLOSED FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS AND THE CASE IS BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD.

OR DO I HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE CP 23 0007.

MOTION BY MR. WEINBERG.

SECOND BY MR. GOOD.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SEEING NONE. OKAY.

THE NEXT CASE FS 23 00004.

MR. BERNARD.

GOOD EVENING.

ALEX BERNARD, PRINCIPAL PLANNER.

THIS IS CASE 0004.

THE APPLICANT IS DRP SIX, LLC, REPRESENTED BY ANNA SAUNDERS.

THIS IS LOCATED JUST OFF OF SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY, NORTH OF PACE ROAD.

IT'S APPROXIMATELY 10.7 ACRES AND IT'S A PUD AND IT'S A LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

THIS IS FOR A FINAL SUBDIVISION PLAT.

YOU WILL REMEMBER OR RECALL A FEW MONTHS AGO YOU HAD BEFORE YOU PHASE ONE A, WHICH WAS FOR THE ENTIRE PIECE.

THIS IS COMING BACK AS PHASE ONE B, WHICH IS JUST FOR 10.7 ACRES AND IT WILL BE 41 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS AND THE ACCESS WILL BE OFF OF PACE ROAD NORTHWEST WITH A PRIVATELY CONSTRUCTED ROAD CALLED VELMA

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THANK YOU. DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE WHERE THE APPLICANT APPROACHED THE PODIUM.

GOOD EVENING. ANNA SAUNDERS WITH BSE.

JUST BUILDING UPON A LITTLE BIT WITH WHAT ALEX SAID, THIS PROJECT IS PART OF THE OVERALL TIMBERS OR MEDLEY AT EVELINE'S PLAN THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.

WE HAD A PRELIMINARY PDP GET APPROVED BY YOU ALL TOWARDS THE END OF LAST YEAR.

THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS APPROVED.

SUBSEQUENT CONSTRUCTION PLANS HAVE BEEN APPROVED.

AND IF YOU DRIVE BY AT ANY, YOU KNOW, NORMAL WORKING HOUR, YOU SEE THEY'RE OUT THERE CONSTRUCTING IT.

SO THIS PARTICULAR PHASE IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

WE'VE ALREADY SUBMITTED OUR WATER CLEARANCE, SO WE'RE CLOSE TO HAVING A CFC PACKAGE READY TO SUBMIT TO THE CITY FOR THAT.

THIS IS JUST ONE OF THE FINAL STEPS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH RECORDING.

THE PLAT IS TO COME AND GET YOUR BLESSING ON THAT AND THEN WE'LL MOVE FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL.

JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND, IN FUTURE FUTURE, TAKE DOWN PIECES OF THIS.

YOU'RE GOING TO SEE ME COME BACK FOR YOU.

COME BACK IN FRONT OF YOU FOR PHASES ONE, C AND TWO.

THIS PROJECT HAS ACCESS POINTS TO PACE, EMERSON AND THE PARKWAY.

ULTIMATELY, IF YOU'LL REMEMBER THAT SORT OF THAT TRIFECTA PROJECT, THERE RIGHT NOW WITH PHASE ONE, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE IN FRONT OF YOU FOR TONIGHT.

THE ACCESS POINT IS TO PACE BOULEVARD WHEN PHASE TWO COMES IN FRONT OF YOU IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS, YOU'LL SEE AN ACCESS POINT TO THE PARKWAY.

AND THEN THE FINAL PHASE, WHICH IS PHASE FOUR, WILL BRING ACCESS UP TO EMERSON ROAD, JUST IN CASE YOU HAD ANY QUESTIONS ON WHERE WE ARE.

IF YOU'VE GOT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, PLEASE JUST LET ME KNOW AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

THANK YOU. DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? YES, MA'AM. YEAH, GO AHEAD.

SURE. JUST. JUST, I GUESS JUST ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE PHASES, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE WAS THE PHASE, LIKE YOU JUST SAID, THE PHASE ONE BID AND THE PHASE ONE.

SEE? SO SO THE SO THE THREE PHASES WILL CONTINUE TO BE JUST WITH THE WITH THE WITH THIS TEN, 10.4 ACRES.

SO THE ENTIRE PROPERTY IS 840 UNITS.

THIS PARTICULAR SUB PHASE OF PHASE ONE IS 41.

LOTS OF THAT OF THAT 840 UNITS, WE'RE CURRENTLY CONSTRUCTING PHASES ONE AND TWO.

SO IN PHASE ONE ARE THESE SUB PHASES A, B AND C, WHICH YOU'VE I BELIEVE YOU'VE SEEN A, B IS IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT.

ONE, C AND TWO WILL BE COMING TO YOU IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS.

SO THE CONSTRUCTION OF ALL OF THOSE PHASES IS CURRENTLY UNDERWAY, BUT IT IS PART OF THAT OVERALL MASTER SYSTEM.

PHASE ONE OR MASTER PROJECT.

PHASE ONE IS LOCATED GENERALLY IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER.

SO AT THE INTERSECTION OF PACE AND THE PARKWAY, IF THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHERE IT IS, DOES THAT HELP? YES. OKAY. I MEAN, I REMEMBER I REMEMBER THE THE PROJECT OVERALL.

I JUST WANTED TO SEE WHERE WE WERE AT WITH THE WITH THIS WITH THIS FINAL WITH SO AGAIN, WE'RE UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

YEP. SO THE PURPOSE OF THE FINAL IS SO WE CAN BE SELLING LOTS.

THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS UNDERWAY, WE'VE GOT THE UTILITIES INSTALLED, WE'LL BE DOING A LIFT STATION, START UP HERE RELATIVELY SOON, WORKING WITH FPL TO BRING POWER THROUGHOUT THE SUBDIVISION AND JUST CHURNING AWAY.

AND THIS FINAL PLAT IS ONE OF THOSE PROCESSES, ONE OF THOSE STEPS.

THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THE RECORD. THERE ARE NO LETTERS IN THE FILE ON THIS CASE.

THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST? MR. BATTEN. BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST, WHILE GOING THROUGH THE PACKET FOR THE PNC MEETING FOR THIS MEETING.

EXCUSE ME, IT ONLY HAD THIS CURRENT PHASE, SO IT DIDN'T SHOW ANY OF THE CONNECTIONS FOR THE FUTURE PHASES WHEN WHEN I WAS REVIEWING THE PACKET.

AND SO MY QUESTION WAS, WHICH GOT ANSWERED DURING THE PRESENTATION WAS WAS THERE EVER GOING TO BE A CONNECTION FOR THE TOTAL PROJECT COMING OUT FROM THIS THIS PHASE ON TO EMERSON? THAT WAS THE FIRST QUESTION, BECAUSE OTHERWISE THERE ONLY BEEN ONE EXIT OUT FOR AN EMERGENCY EVACUATION AND THAT SOLVED THAT PROBLEM.

AND THE OTHER QUESTION WAS, IS THERE PLANNING ANY CONNECTION COMING ON TO THE SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY AND IF SO, WHEN THAT WAS GOING TO BE AND WHAT WAS GOING TO BE THE IMPACT FOR THE ROAD WIDENING OR SHORTENING OR ANYTHING ELSE IN THAT ASPECT WHEN CONNECTING INTO THE SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY.

THANK YOU. FURTHER COMMENTS IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST.

HE OPPOSED. SEEING NONE.

IS NOW CLOSED FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS AND THE CASE IS BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD.

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SECOND. MOTION BY MR. WEINBERG. SECOND BY MR. BOEREMA. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

THANK YOU. THE NEXT CASE.

CP 23 00003.

MISS BERNARD. GOOD EVENING AGAIN.

THIS IS CP 23 003.

THE APPLICANT IS DEVELOPERS, INC.

THEY ARE REPRESENTED BY JAMES BOOTHROYD ROY.

THIS IS 1.33 ACRES THAT'S LOCATED EAST OF AN ADJACENT TO GAYNOR DRIVE, SOUTHWEST IN THE VICINITY OF THE FOUR WIND STREET SOUTHWEST.

AND THEIR CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE IS UTILITIES AND THEY ARE LOOKING FOR LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AS A FUTURE LAND USE.

AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL AS STAFF.

THANK YOU. DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES. WARNER.

OKAY. WE WE HAVE A QUITE A FEW OF THESE CASES COMING BEFORE US THAT'S DEALING WITH A LOT WITH UTILITIES.

YEAH. AND I'VE ALSO READ IN THE PACKET WHERE THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT DIDN'T HAVE ANY, ANY ANYTHING TO SAY OR, YOU KNOW, THEY THEY WERE OKAY WITH IT.

BUT MOVING FORWARD IS WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE PROPERTIES FOR THE UTILITIES, WHAT OTHER ADDITIONAL UTILITIES USAGE COULD COULD WITH THE PROPERTY COULD THE PROPERTY POSSIBLY BE USED FOR.

RIGHT. SO THE THE WAY I UNDERSTAND THE REASON THAT WE HAVE THIS LAND USE AS UTILITIES IS THAT WAS WHAT GDC DECIDED THAT IT NEEDED TO BE WHEN THEY ORIGINALLY MASTER PLANNED THE COMMUNITY.

SINCE THAT TIME, AS WE KNOW, GDC IS NO LONGER AROUND AND THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN SOLD AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS LOOKING TO MAKE IT HOMES LIKE EVERYTHING AROUND IT.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE. WILL THE APPLICANT COME FORWARD? GOOD EVENING. JAMES BOOTHROYD.

2768. SNAPDRAGON DRIVE, NORTHWEST PALM BAY.

I'M HERE ON AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE BUYER.

KIND. ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? MR..

YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, MR.. WARNER? I GUESS JUST ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT MORE.

SO, SURE. YEAH. SO HE WANTS TO BUY THIS PROPERTY.

HE WANTS HE'S FOR A FUTURE SOMEWHERE DOWN THE ROAD.

WHEN HE RETIRES, HE WANTS TO KNOW HE CAN BUILD THIS, BUILD A HOUSE ON THIS PROPERTY AND MAYBE SOME SELL OFF A PIECE OR TWO OF IT IF HE NEEDS TO FOR HIS RETIREMENT DOWN THE ROAD.

BUT THE ORIGINAL PURPOSE IS TO BUILD ONE ONE PROPERTY ON THE 1.33 ACRES.

YES. WELL, IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN IT'S IT'S GOOD.

BUT IF IT'S IF IT'S 4 OR 5 HOUSES, THEN I JUST I DON'T SEE HOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO CRAM ALL OF THAT ON 1.3, THREE ACRES.

WELL, THE WAY IT'S SET UP, IF YOU LOOK AT THE IT'LL FIT IN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE REST OF THE STREET IS DIVIDED UP IN QUARTER ACRE LOTS.

SO IT WOULD IT WOULD FIT IN WITH WHAT'S ALREADY THERE.

FURTHER QUESTIONS.

MS.. BERNARD, COULD YOU CLARIFY SOMETHING FOR ME? ABSOLUTELY. IN THE IN THE APPLICATION, IT SAYS THAT THERE ARE MAXIMUM OF FIVE HOMES PROPOSED ON THIS ACREAGE.

HOW MANY WOULD IT ALLOW? SO THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT 1.3, THREE ACRES.

THAT'S THE MAX DENSITY THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED FOR THE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

THAT'S THE MAXIMUM THAT SPLIT THEM UP.

YES, THAT'S THAT'S THE HIGHEST POTENTIAL.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

OKAY. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? ANY. OKAY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

FOR THE RECORD, THERE ARE NO LETTERS IN THE FILE ON THIS CASE.

THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.

IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST? BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST.

THIS IS A CASE WHERE I'M IN FAVOR AND AGAINST.

FIRST ONE IS I DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOSE FOR THE CITY'S CAPABILITY OF SOME UTILITY LAND SOMEPLACE.

BUT SOMETIMES SOME OF THE MAPS I LOOK AT SHOW IT AS UTILITIES AND THE OTHERS SHOW IT AS INSTITUTIONAL.

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NOW, THE OTHER SIDE OF IT IS I HOPE THE OWNER DOES NOT PACK THE 1.3 ACRES TO THE MAXIMUM DENSITY THAT IT COULD BE, WHICH IS 1.3 ON RS.

TWO WHICH IS FIVE HOUSES PER ACRE.

THAT WOULD BE PRETTY TIGHT.

I'M HOPING THE INDIVIDUAL DOES NOT DO THAT RIGHT.

THE REASON WHY I SAY THAT IS THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTHEAST IS A ONE ACRE SITE WITH ONE HOUSE ON IT, SINGLE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENT AND THEY JUST BUILT ONE HOUSE ON IT.

THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST IS THREE ACRES, HAS NO HOUSES ON IT.

THAT COULD JUST BE ANOTHER ESTATE HOUSING.

THE PROPERTY IN THE 500 CIRCLE RADIUS THAT THEY HAD TO NOTIFY THEM UNDER LOT NUMBER 29, THAT IS THE LAST OF THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL LANDS IN THAT AREA.

SO WHEN THEY SAY SURROUNDING IT.

THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF ONE ACRE SITES AVAILABLE THAT MAKE BEAUTIFUL ESTATE LIVING.

I'M HOPING THAT THE INDIVIDUAL THAT THAT HAS THIS LAND DOES NOT JUST PACK IT TO THE MAXIMUM AND THEY TRY TO KEEP SOME OF THAT ESTATE LIVING THAT'S AVAILABLE IN VERY FEW LOCATIONS.

I ALSO UNDERSTAND WITH THAT STATEMENT THAT IT IS THE LANDOWNERS RIGHT TO UTILIZE IT ONCE YOU PASS THIS ORDINANCE THAT THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT.

I UNDERSTAND THAT.

RIGHT. AND LAST STATEMENT IS I WILL NOT READDRESS THIS ONE WHEN IT COMES UP UNDER CP'S 2302 SO WE CAN MAKE THE MEETING GO QUICKER. IT WOULD BE THE SAME COMMENTS SO I WOULD NOT READDRESS IT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

DOES ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS REQUEST? ANYONE AGAINST THIS REQUEST? SEEING NONE. FLOOR IS NOW CLOSED AND THE CASE IS BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD, OR DO I HAVE A MOTION OR FURTHER QUESTIONS? MOTION TO APPROVE CP 23 00003.

YOU HAVE A SECOND, SECOND MOTION BY MR. WEINBERG. SECOND BY MR. BOEREMA. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NAY.

61. CHANDRA.

OKAY. THE NEXT CASE IS THE COMPANION CASE.

CPC 23 00002.

THAT'S CORRECT.

CPC 23 0002.

THE APPLICANT IS IMP DEVELOPERS, INC., REPRESENTED BY JAMES BOOTHROYD, LOCATED IN THE SAME AREA EAST OF AND ADJACENT TO GAYNOR DRIVE, SOUTHWEST IN THE VICINITY NORTH OF FOUR WINS.

STREET SOUTHWEST 1.33 ACRES.

THE CURRENT ZONING IS INSTITUTIONAL USE AND THEY'RE REQUESTING A REZONING TO R'S TWO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE THINK IT'S THE SAME CONCERNS.

IT'S IT'S THE 1.3, THREE ACRES.

IF IT'S IF I FEEL THAT IF IT'S GOING TO BE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, THEN THAT'S WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE STATED AND THAT'S WHAT IT SHOULD BE.

IF IT'S GOING TO BE PACKED OUT FIVE HOMES, THEN IT NEEDS TO I MEAN, SO THAT WAY WE KNOW FOR SURE THAT THIS IS WHAT WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S HAPPENING AND WHAT WE'RE GETTING. AND AND UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S NOT CLEAR.

OKAY. SEE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF? SEEING NONE IS THE APPLICANT.

WOULD YOU COME FORWARD? OKAY.

JAMES BOOTHROYD 2768 SNAPDRAGON DRIVE NORTHWEST PALM BAY.

NOW THE APPLICANT OR THE BUYER MAY.

HE JUST WANTS THE OPPORTUNITY TO KNOW THAT IN THE FUTURE HE HE WOULD BE ABLE TO IF HE NEEDED TO.

THERE'S NO PLANS IN THE IMMEDIATE, BUT I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE HE DOES WANT TO KNOW THAT HE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO DO THAT IF HE NEEDED TO.

RIGHT NOW, HE JUST LIKES THE IDEA.

HE STILL DOESN'T EVEN LIVE IN THE STATE.

THIS IS A THIS IS AN INVESTMENT FOR HIM FOR HIS RETIREMENT.

SO AND THEN, LIKE I SAID, HE WANTS TO KNOW IF SOMEWHERE DOWN THE ROAD HE NEEDED TO OR MAYBE HE WANTS TO BUILD A RENTAL NEXT DOOR, SOMETHING HE JUST WANTS.

HE WANTS TO KNOW THAT HE CAN MAXIMIZE HIS INVESTMENT.

THAT'S WHERE HE STANDS WITH THAT.

SO. THANK YOU.

OKAY. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? FOR CLARIFICATION, YOU CAN ALSO.

SORRY. DOWN HERE.

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SORRY. FOR CLARIFICATION, YOU CAN ALWAYS CONDITION ZONING TO A DENSITY IF YOU WOULD LIKE.

THAT IS UNDERNEATH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS, MAXIMUM DENSITY.

SO THAT IS A CONSIDERATION YOU CAN MAKE IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO IN A CONDITION OF APPROVAL.

OTHERWISE, WHEN YOU DO APPROVE, IT WOULD BE FOR THE MAXIMUM DENSITY ALLOTTED BY THE ZONING DISTRICT.

THAT CLARIFICATION.

THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. WAS NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.

IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST? YOU WEREN'T OPPOSED.

SEEING NONE. IT'S BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD.

THE FLOOR IS NOW CLOSED FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS OR DO I HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR EMOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE CPC 23 00002.

SECOND. MOTION BY MR. WEINBERG. SECOND BY MR. BOEREMA. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED.

NAY. MOTION CARRIES 6 TO 1.

LET'S FACE.

23 000013.

GOOD EVENING AGAIN.

SO THIS IS CASE CP 20 300 13.

THE APPLICANT IS BRUCE KAUFMAN.

AFFORDABLE TRAILER AND SERVICE REPRESENTED BY JEFF COHEN AND COLE OLIVER.

THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED WEST OF AND ADJACENT TO MINTON ROAD IN THE VICINITY OF HEALD ROAD.

SPECIFICALLY, IT HAS AN ADDRESS OF 4180 MINTON ROAD.

IT IS APPROXIMATELY 2.11 ACRES.

IT CURRENTLY HAS A FUTURE LAND USE OF COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL BREVARD COUNTY.

IT IS GOING FOR AN ANNEXATION REQUEST TO CITY COUNCIL ON JULY 20TH AND I IT MEETS THE PARAMETERS OF THE APPLICATION FOR SMALL SCALE FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

THANK YOU, MISS BERNARD. DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES, MA'AM. SO, OKAY, SO IF WE GET APPROVED TONIGHT AND IT'S ANNEXED IN, THEN DO IT.

COME BACK BEFORE US FOR TO TO TO CHANGE THE ZONING AGAIN.

OR ONCE WE CHANGE THE ZONING TONIGHT AND IT GETS ANNEXED THEN THEN.

RIGHT. SO THE IDEA BEING WHAT YOU'RE HEARING BEFORE YOU TONIGHT WILL BE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE JULY 20TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

SO THEY'LL HEAR AN ANNEXATION, A COMP PLAN AND A ZONING BECAUSE ALL LANDS HAVE TO HAVE A FUTURE LAND USE AND A ZONING CLASSIFICATION ASSOCIATED WITH THEM.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

FURTHER QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU. WELL, THE APPLICANT OR THE REPRESENTATIVE, PLEASE APPROACH THE MICROPHONE.

GOOD EVENING, COLE OLIVER FOR THE APPLICANT.

ADDRESS IS 1901 HARBOR CITY BOULEVARD, MELBOURNE, FLORIDA.

THIS IN THE NEXT COUPLE HERE ITEMS ARE VIRTUALLY ONE PROJECT, AND THOUGH THE ITEM THAT IS BEING BROUGHT FORWARD IS THERE'S AN LOI WITH A STARBUCKS ON THE CORNER OF HEALD ROAD AND MINTON AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE ANNEXING IN TO CONNECT TO PALM BAY UTILITIES AND GO WITH THE COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT.

THE IDEA OF CONDUCTING THAT DEVELOPMENT FOR THE STARBUCKS PROVIDED THAT WE CAN MOVE EVERYTHING FORWARD.

THE NEIGHBORHOOD JUSTIFIABLY HAS CONCERNS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AT THAT INTERSECTION.

AS WE ALL KNOW, IT'S BAD.

IT IS IN A STATE NOW WHERE THE APARTMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE INTERSECTION HAVE ALREADY PAID THEIR TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT INTERSECTION.

WE'VE BEEN COORDINATING AS THE LANDOWNERS ON THE HEALD ROAD SIDE.

WE'VE BEEN COORDINATING WITH THEIR ENGINEERING STAFF AND THE COUNTY'S ENGINEERING STAFF, AND WE'VE AGREED TO GIVE THEM SOME ADDITIONAL SPACE ON OUR PROPERTY TO REALIGN THE LIGHT, TO GIVE IT AMPLE ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENTS IN THE FUTURE SHOULD THOSE ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS ON TOP OF WHAT THEY'RE ALREADY DOING AND PLANNING ARE NEEDED.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS GOING TO BE UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT THE TOTAL PROJECT IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

AND SO I SUSPECT WE'RE GOING TO HEAR A LOT TONIGHT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT IT.

AND THEY'RE NOT WRONG.

THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

IT IS IT IS A TRAFFIC CONCERN.

WE AS DEVELOPERS UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, NO DEVELOPMENT CAN BE MADE THERE UNTIL THE INTERSECTION IS BROUGHT UP TO A SUSTAINABLE LEVEL THAT THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS AND THOSE PEOPLE THAT CAN DO THOSE STUDIES AND UNDERSTAND IT BETTER THAN I CAN CONDUCT THAT AND MAKE SURE THE CITY AND YOU KNOW, EVERYONE IS IS, YOU KNOW, GOOD WITH

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AND SO WE'RE ASKING FOR THE ANNEXATION TO THE CITY, RESPECTFULLY, WITH THE COMMERCIAL ZONING TO ALLOW US TO BRING THIS PROJECT UP.

YOU KNOW, I'M HERE IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT IT'S THIS BOARD'S AND THE COUNCIL'S DECISION.

THANK YOU. DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? YES, SIR.

IS MINTURN A COUNTY OR CITY RESPONSIBILITY.

WE BELIEVE, OF MAKING ADJUSTMENTS TO THAT INTERSECTION.

YES, I BELIEVE BOTH MINTON AND HEALD ARE COUNTY ROADS, BUT I'M NOT POSITIVE.

AND THE ANNEXATION IS DESIGNED TO DO WHAT? BRING IT INTO PALM BAY SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE SERVICES.

THE UTILITIES AND THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.

YES, SIR. SO HOW DOES THAT ADDRESS THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? WHEN WE COME FORWARD WITH A SITE PLAN, WE'LL HAVE TO PROVIDE A TRAFFIC STUDY THAT SHOWS THAT THE IMPACTS ARE NOT EXACERBATING THE SITUATION.

AND IF IT WEREN'T IMPROVEMENTS TO THE INTERSECTION, THOSE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS WILL HAVE TO BE MADE TO KEEP THE CONCURRENCY AS IT'S.

THANK YOU. SIR.

MR. KAUFMANN, WAS THIS APPLICATION BY ANY CHANCE BROUGHT TO BREVARD COUNTY AT ANY TIME? WE HAVE NOT. NO, SIR.

OKAY. OBVIOUSLY YOUR PREFERENCE IS TO BRING TO PALM BAY.

IS THERE A REASON FOR THAT? THE UTILITIES, UTILITIES, THE WATER AND THE SEWER.

AND RIGHT NOW THERE IS NO COUNTY SEWER THAT RUNS BY THERE.

AND SO THAT'S THE PRIMARY REASON.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, SIR. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THERE ARE NO LETTERS IN THE FILE.

THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.

IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE.

OH, I'M SORRY, MR. FENTON. BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST.

I AM IN FAVOR OF THIS ANNEXATION INTO THE CITY.

BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY A PIECE OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THAT IS ALREADY CONDUCTING COMMERCIAL BUSINESS AT THAT LOCATION.

THE ONE SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE ON THIS PIECE OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY THE CITY OF PALM BAY RECEIVES NO TAX DOLLARS FOR IT. IF THEY ANNEX INTO THE CITY OF PALM BAY, THIS COMMERCIAL PROPERTY WILL THEN START RECEIVING SOME TAX DOLLARS TO HELP THE CITY OF PALM BAY. ALL RIGHT.

SO WITH THAT SIMPLE FACT, THAT'S THE ONE REASON WHY I'M IN FAVOR OF ANNEXING INTO THE CITY.

I DID NOT SEE IN THE PACKET WHERE IT WAS TIED TO ITEMS NUMBER EIGHT AND NINE, THOUGH I DIDN'T SEE THAT WHEN IT WAS TIED INTO THE PACKAGE AND NO PLACE IN THE PACKAGE DID IT SAY WHAT THE PLANNING WAS GOING TO BE FOR.

IT WAS JUST COMMERCIAL, BUT IT DIDN'T SHOW THAT IT WAS TIED TO EIGHT AND NINE.

SO THAT WAS MY OTHER QUESTION, WHICH HE JUST ANSWERED THAT IT IS PART OF EIGHT AND NINE ALSO.

BUT OVERALL, ANNEXING INTO THE CITY OF PALM BAY IS GOING TO GIVE US THAT TAX DOLLAR FOR A PIECE OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THAT THE RESIDENTS ALREADY DRIVE BY. EVERYBODY DRIVES BY ON A DAILY BASIS, BUT NOT ONE SINGLE DOLLAR OF IT WAS COMING INTO THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

THIS WAY WE'RE GOING TO GET SOME TAX DOLLARS OFF OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.

THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE IN FAVOR? AS A REMINDER. I'M SORRY.

THERE'S SOMEONE. OKAY.

AS A REMINDER, THIS IS CASE CP 23 00013 IS FOR A PIECE OF PROPERTY 2.11 ACRES.

WE'RE ONLY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS VOTE VOTING ON THIS AT THIS TIME.

SO IF ANYONE HAS WISHES TO SPEAK AGAINST THIS.

HE'S COME FORWARD AS A REMINDER TO IF YOU HAVE SIMILAR CONCERNS, YOU APPOINT A SPOKESMAN.

HI JOHN ZIMAK 1590 STUDLEY DRIVE, PALM BAY, FLORIDA.

IT'S A ROAD OFF OF HEALED ROAD.

AS MR. COLE ALLUDED TO, THIS PARTICULAR CASE IS RELATED TO THE NEXT THREE, AND THIS PARTICULAR CASE ONLY EXISTS SO THAT THE SPINAL TWO, EIGHT AND NINE CAN BE CAN HAPPEN.

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AND I WANT TO CLARIFY, AS POINTED OUT, HEALED ROAD IS A COUNTY ROAD.

SO ANY DECISION MADE IS BEING MADE WITHOUT ANY CONSULTATION OR APPROVAL BY THE COUNTY FOR THIS, NOT NECESSARILY OPPOSED TO THE ENTIRE PROJECT, BUT OPPOSED TO THE WAY THAT THE ASSUMPTION IS MADE THAT THEY COULD JUST DUMP COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC INTO AND ONTO A RESIDENTIAL ROAD.

I DO PLAN TO SPEAK WHEN THE OTHER CASES COME UP WITH MORE SPECIFICS TO THOSE CASES.

SO THANK YOU. NOTE CARD, SIR.

OR FILL OUT A FORM.

YOUR OATH CARD. DID YOU FILL IT OUT? THANK YOU. RONALD THOMPSON.

408 5 OR 9 FIVE.

HILL ROAD, PALM BAY, FLORIDA.

OF COURSE, OPPOSED TO THIS.

LIKE BILL SAID, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE ANNEXATION AND THE FUTURE EXTENSION OF THE SEWERS.

WHAT I'M OPPOSED TO IS THE TRAFFIC THAT WILL BE INVOLVED AND THE REZONING OF THE PROPERTY.

NOW, THIS ALL GOES IN HAND, JUST LIKE YOU MENTIONED.

IT'S THIS PLUS THE THREE ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES THAT'S GONNA CAUSE ALL THE PROBLEM.

WE HAVE TRAFFIC AT A STANDSTILL THERE, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE SOME PROPOSALS TO HOPEFULLY REDUCE THAT.

BUT THAT'S NOT THE PROBLEM.

THE PROBLEM IS THE CONTINUED GROWTH IN CITY OF PALM BAY AND OTHER CASES THAT HAS CAUSED OUR ROAD SYSTEM TO JUST DEGRADE TO NOTHING. I HAVE A LETTER HERE FROM THE COUNTY ENGINEER, KARINA GUM, THAT SAID BASICALLY ANY DETRIMENT ON PALM BAY ROAD INTERSECTION OF MINTON WILL ALSO CAUSE A PROBLEM ON HEALD.

ANY CONGESTION ADDED TO HILL ROAD WILL ALSO CAUSE A PROBLEM ON PALM BAY ROAD.

SO IT'S A CONNECTED INTERCHANGE.

AND SO UNTIL WE REALLY STOP AND CONSIDER THE THINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED BY THE STAFF AND I OPPOSE SOME OF THEM HERE THAT SAYS THE OBJECTIVE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS TO PROVIDE A SAFE I'LL HAVE TO EMPHASIZE SAFE.

THAT INTERSECTION IS NOT SAFE.

IF YOU GO THERE ANYTIME EARLY IN THE MORNING OR LATE IN THE AFTERNOON, I WILL DARE YOU TO WANT TO WALK ACROSS THAT ROAD.

IT IS BLOCKED.

THERE ARE PEOPLE TURNING AT ALL TIMES BECAUSE THEY HAVE SAT THERE FOR MORE, MORE TIMES THAN NOT.

SO I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE ONE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW BEING ANNEXED INTO THE CITY.

NO PROBLEM AT ALL.

I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THEM EXTENDING SEWER TO THAT.

I'M OPPOSED TO THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC THAT AS SOON AS HE IS MOST LIKELY HE INCREASED HIS ZONING FROM RESIDENTIAL PROFESSIONAL LIKE THE OTHER THREE PROPERTIES ARE.

THEY WILL THEN GO TO COMMERCIAL AND THEN COMMERCIAL.

THEY WILL HAVE EXTENDED APPLICATIONS FOR LIKE THE ONE THAT'S COMING UP, STARBUCKS, WHO IS GOING TO ADDRESS ONE EXIT OFF OF HILL ROAD.

NOW, HILL ROAD IS ALREADY CROWDED AND YOU PUT A STARBUCKS THERE.

YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS? IT IS CONSTANT TRAFFIC IN AND OUT.

AND THEY REALLY ARE EMPHASIZING THE TRAFFIC ON HILL ROAD.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, THEY HAVE TWO OTHER PROPERTIES ADJOINING THE TRAILER PARK.

I MEAN, THE TRAILER SALES.

SO WE NEED TO ADDRESS THIS ITEM.

THIS ITEM. WELL, THE FIRST ONE IS TRAFFIC.

THAT IS PART OF THE PROPOSAL.

THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.

AND SO THAT IS WHAT IS THERE.

AND IT SAYS, I KNOW THE CITY WANTS TO HAVE MORE COMMERCIAL AND THAT'S FINE IN PLACES WHERE YOU HAVE IT, BUT NOT WHERE IT IS GOING TO CAUSE CONTINUED TRAFFIC AND AND CONGESTION OF THE TRAFFIC.

SO I HOPE THAT YOU WILL CONSIDER NOT APPROVING THIS PROJECT.

AND IF ANYONE WOULD, COULD AND GO, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM GO OUT AND SET FOR 30 MINUTES AT THE INTERSECTION OF HEALD ROAD SO THAT YOU CAN SEE PERSONALLY THE STAFF IS PROBABLY ALREADY OVERWORKED BASED UPON ALL THESE OTHER AGENDAS YOU HAVE.

I'M NOT BLAMING THEM AT ALL.

THEY GOT THEIR HANDS FULL AND AND BUT IT THINKS THAT NEEDS A PERSONAL ATTENTION.

OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY.

THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK, SIR? IN THE BLUE.

HOW ARE Y'ALL DOING? MIKE KINGERY 3585 HEALD ROAD AND I HAVE BEEN ON BOARDS AND COUNCILS AND

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THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF THINGS ALL THE WAY BACK TO WHERE BOB NANNEY WAS, THE MAYOR, OKAY? AND DIFFERENT PEOPLE AND THE PROPERTY THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING OF NOW, PALM BAY, WEST MELBOURNE AND THE COUNTY ALL SET UP FOR THAT SECTION FROM PALM BAY ROAD TO THE OVERPASS ON I 95 TO BE COMMERCIAL.

PROFESSIONAL COMMERCIAL ONLY.

THAT WHOLE STRIP NOW WITH THE DIFFERENT PROPERTY OWNERS TRYING TO ALL JOIN TOGETHER AND BRING THESE PROPERTIES TOGETHER.

THEY'RE TRYING TO GO INTO A COMMERCIAL STATUS, SO NOT ONLY THE PROPERTY OR ANYTHING ELSE, BUT FOR YEARS THAT ZONE THROUGH THERE HAS BEEN COUNTY.

WE'VE FOUGHT A NUMBER OF TIMES TO KEEP IT FROM GOING TO PALM BAY.

AND THE ONLY REASON THEY'RE THERE NOW TRYING TO GET THIS ZONING AND TRY TO GET IT INTO PALM BAY IS SO THEY CAN ADD ALL FOUR PROPERTIES TOGETHER, HAVE THE WATER AND SEWER.

WEST MELBOURNE CAN'T PROVIDE IT, SO THE ONLY REASON THEY WANT YOU GUYS IS SO THEY CAN GET THE WATER AND SEWER AND ANNEX A PLACE THAT WE FOUGHT FOR FOR 20 YEARS TO KEEP FROM GOING TO PALM BAY.

SO PLEASE HELP US STOP IT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR.

DID YOU FILL OUT A. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JARED COOPER.

I RESIDE CURRENTLY AT 1631 CRANFIELD TERRACE.

I AM UNDER CONTRACT TO BUY 3836 HILL ROAD AND AS OTHER PEOPLE HAVE SAID, I AM AGAINST THIS ANNEXATION, NOT SO MUCH IN THE SENSE OF ADDING THE PROPERTY, BUT REALLY IT'S THE FIRST DOMINO IN A SET TO CREATE A DIFFERENT VISION IN THAT AREA.

QUITE FRANKLY, THESE PROPERTIES ALREADY HAVE ROAD ACCESS.

THEY HAVE ROAD ACCESS ON MENIN ROAD.

THAT'S HOW PEOPLE GET IN AND OUT TODAY.

HISTORICALLY, THE PLANS ARE TO MOVE A BUNCH OF THAT TRAFFIC FROM THOSE ROADS ONTO HILL ROAD TO GAIN ACCESS INTO A SHOPPING COMPLEX.

SPECIFICALLY, THE BIGGEST OFFENDER IN THIS IS GOING TO BE A STARBUCKS THAT THEY HAVE UNDER CONTRACT.

HOPEFULLY TO GO IN THERE.

QUITE FRANKLY, STARBUCKS HAS A VERY BAD HISTORY OF TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT WHEN THEIR STORES COME IN IN 2022 ALONE, THERE HAVE BEEN THREE EXAMPLES WHERE STARBUCKS HAVE GONE IN AND HAVE CAUSED MASSIVE CONGESTION.

ATLANTA, GEORGIA, ONE IN TENNESSEE AND ONE EVEN IN FLORIDA, IN JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA.

SO WHY WOULD WE WANT THIS? WHY ARE WE GOING TO MAKE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS WORSE IN OUR CITY? SO I AM OPPOSED TO THE FIRST MOTION, AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO SPEAK ON ALL THREE AS WELL.

I'M SURE A BUNCH OF THESE OTHER PEOPLE WILL AS WELL.

HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JOHN CONNOLLY.

I LIVE AT 3620 HILL ROAD.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL KNOW HILL ROAD AND WHAT HAS BEEN GOING ON HILL ROAD.

THE COUNTY NOW IS GOING TO CHANGE THE INTERSECTION.

IT HEALED BECAUSE THEY'VE DEEMED AS SAYING THEY NEED MORE TURN LANES.

HILL ROAD HAS A DOUBLE LANE LINE GOING DOWN THE MIDDLE OF IT.

THERE'S A REASON DOUBLE LINE BECAUSE WE GET SO MUCH TRAFFIC DOWN IT.

WE GOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC COMING DOWN DOWNHILL ON THE NORTH WEST CORNER.

THERE'S A COUNTY BUILDING THAT'S BEING USED FOR A STRIP STRIP OR A STRIP THRIFT STORAGE PLACE FOR THE FOR THE PEOPLE.

THEY WERE TRYING TO TURN IT INTO A A INTO A STORE THERE.

BUT THE TRAFFIC PALM BAY IS DONE NUMEROUS TRAFFIC STUDIES DOWN HILL ROAD OVER THE YEARS.

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IT'S A DEAD END ROAD.

SO I JUST WANT YOU ALL TO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN THERE, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE DOUBLE DOUBLE LINES GOING DOWN THE ROAD.

WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH GETTING OUT OF THERE BECAUSE IT'S A LONG DEAD END ROAD THAT FINGERS INTO A LOT OF STREETS, A LOT OF PEOPLE DOWN THERE AND OUR LIGHT IS REAL LONG AND THEY PUT THE FOUR STORY ON THE THEY PUT A FOUR STORY, PROBABLY 6 OR 7 BUILDINGS RIGHT BEHIND PUBLIX RIGHT THERE.

ALL THAT TRAFFIC IS COMING RIGHT INTO THAT INTERSECTION.

SO I'M JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC THERE.

WE HAVE A LOT OF BACKUP ALL THE WAY DOWN MINTON ROAD IN THE AFTERNOONS, IN THE MORNING, BOTH WAYS.

ONE GOING TO THE SCHOOL, BACKED UP OVER THE HILLS AND THEN GOING FROM THE BRIDGE, GOING TO HEALD ON THE NORTH SIDE AT NIGHT.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA.

I JUST DON'T WANT TO SEE ANY TYPE OF ENTRANCE BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN THE PLANS GOING OFF HILL ROAD INTO THIS, WHATEVER THEY PUT IN THERE.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO ABOUT PROGRESS, BUT THE TRAFFIC COMING OFF FUEL ROAD CANNOT TAKE ANY MORE.

AND YOUR STUDY WILL PROVE THAT.

SO THERE ARE STUDIES OUT THERE PALM BAY PAID GOOD MONEY FOR BECAUSE OF THIS PROBLEM.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF WHAT WHAT ELSE IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU ALL NEED TO KNOW FROM YOU? JUST MAKE YOUR COMMENT, SIR.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

DON'T.

MY NAME IS DON WILLIAMS. I LIVE AT 4096 HEALD, WHICH IS IN THE PALM BAY AREA.

AND I'M A PALM BAY VOTER.

AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT IF YOU ADD THAT I'M GOING TO VOTE AGAINST EVERY ONE OF YOU AND I THINK EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM WILL GET A GREAT MAN. AND I'D LIKE TO SAY DITTO TO MY NEIGHBOR, RON THOMPSON, ABOUT THE TRAFFIC SITUATION AND POINT OUT TO YOU THAT EVEN AT 545, IT TAKES SOMETIMES THREE CYCLES OF THIS LIGHT TO GET OUT ON MINTON.

AND SOMETIMES IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO TURN ON THE MINTON BECAUSE MINTON IS SOLID ALL THE WAY FROM THE BRIDGE TO EMERSON AND MAYBE BEYOND. WE CAN'T STAND AN OUTLET ON OUR STREETS OR DON'T LET IT HAPPEN.

YEAH. ANYONE HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, ANY DIFFERENT COMMENTS? YOU WANT TO COME FORWARD, SIR? I DO. ALL RIGHT, STEVE.

I NAME'S STEVE GRAY. I LIVE AT 3998 HEALD ROAD.

I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW I'M ADAMANTLY OPPOSED TO THIS.

THE NEXT FOUR ON THIS AGENDA HERE, AS IT'S ALREADY ACKNOWLEDGED BY THE GUY THAT WANTS TO DO THIS, IS HORRIBLE TRAFFIC.

NOW, I'VE WITNESSED FIVE ACCIDENTS, ONE OF THEM INVOLVING MY SON BECAUSE THE PEOPLE ON MILTON DON'T PAY ATTENTION.

THEY RUN THE LIGHT. NOW, THIS IS GOING TO BE A TRAFFIC NIGHTMARE AND YOU ARE RISKING PEOPLE'S LIVES.

THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY.

THANK YOU, SIR. DID YOU FILL OUT A COMMENT CARD? SIR, DID YOU FILL OUT A COMMENT CARD? OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS FROM THE MA'AM? MY NAME IS CYNTHIA KENNARD.

I'M ON PINE TREE, WHICH IS OFF YIELD 1.8 MILES BACK.

THE THING THAT ALL OF THIS IS CONCERNING AND AGAIN, IF ANY OF YOU HAVE EVER BEEN DOWN THERE, YOU PEOPLE MAKE U-TURNS ILLEGAL U-TURNS.

PEOPLE DON'T STOP IN THE INTERSECTION TO LET CARS GO BY.

NOW, IF YOU PUT ANY KIND OF MAJOR BUILDING IN THERE, IT'S ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE.

AND THERE IS NEVER LAW ENFORCEMENT.

NEVER, NEVER HAVE I SEEN A TICKET BE WRITTEN.

AND EVERY SINGLE DAY THIS HAPPENS, IT'S NOT, OH, SOMEBODY MADE A U-TURN.

EVERY DAY THEY MAKE U-TURNS AT THAT INTERSECTION.

BUT THE OTHER THING YOU NEED TO CONSIDER IS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ALL THIS TRAFFIC GOING IN AND OUT OF WHATEVER THEY PUT THERE.

DOESN'T MATTER. WHATEVER THEY PUT THEIR AMBULANCES AND FIRE TRUCKS WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PASS.

SO THAT MEANS IF ANYBODY BACK THERE NEEDS ANY KIND OF SERVICE, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET IT.

NOT UNTIL ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE CLEAR, WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO GO? THERE'S NO PLACE FOR THEM TO GO.

THERE ARE SWALES. THEY CAN'T PULL OFF THE SIDE OF THE ROAD.

THEY'RE GOING TO GO INTO A DITCH.

SO WHAT? MY HOUSE IS BURNING DOWN AND I GOT TO WAIT FOR THE 20 PEOPLE WHO WERE LINED TO GET IN THE SHOPPING CENTER OR TO COME OUT TO GET OFF THE ROAD, TO LET THE FIRE TRUCK PASS OR TO LET

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THAT'S TO ME, THAT'S UNACCEPTABLE.

THE TRAFFIC IS BAD ENOUGH AND I DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH IT.

BUT WE'VE HAD AN AMBULANCE COME TO OUR HOUSE.

THEY WON'T GET THERE.

THEY JUST WON'T GET THERE.

THERE'S NO OTHER WAY IN AND OUT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, AND I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT IT TO OPEN UP INTO THE CANAL.

I DON'T WANT THEM TO CROSS THE CANAL AT THE END OF HEALD ROAD WE BOUGHT OUT THERE BECAUSE IT'S PRIVATE.

I DON'T WANT TO I DON'T WANT ALL OF THE HERITAGE ROAD PEOPLE COMING THROUGH OUR LITTLE TWO LANE STREET.

BUT BUT THAT'S A MAJOR SAFETY ISSUE AND YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT.

WHAT WOULD YOU DO? ARE YOU GOOD WITH THAT? IF AN AMBULANCE CAN'T GET TO YOUR HOUSE OR A FIRE TRUCK OR A COP BECAUSE SOMEBODY'S BREAKING IN? WE HAVE HAD WE HAVE A RING DOORBELL AND WE HAVE HAD AN INTRUDER LOOK THROUGH OUR DOORS AT TWO IN THE MORNING.

NOBODY ON PINE TREE BELIEVED IT UNTIL WE SHARED THE VIDEO WITH THEM.

WE'VE NEVER HAD THAT HERE BEFORE.

AND MY HUSBAND WAS WORKED WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, THE STATE ATTORNEY'S.

HE WAS A HOMICIDE AND SEX CRIMES DETECTIVE.

AND WHEN HE RETIRED, HE WORKED FOR PALM BAY.

SO WE KNOW A LOT OF THE PALM BAY COPS AND THEY CAME OUT AND THEY LOOKED AT THE VIDEO AND THEY WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY HIM AS A HOMELESS PERSON.

THE COPS CAME OUT IS MY POINT AGAIN.

CAN THEY GET THEIR.

NO, THEY CAN'T.

THERE'S NO WAY YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO WIDEN THAT ROAD ENOUGH TO GET ANY KIND OF SERVICE VEHICLES IF A IF A AMBULANCE OR A FIRE TRUCK IS ON. THEY BLOCK A GOOD BIT OF THE ROAD.

THEY BLOCK MORE THAN ONE LANE UNHEALED.

YOU'VE GOT TO GO AROUND THEM.

THAT'S SORRY.

THAT'S FINE.

MAIL TRUCK, ALL OF THAT STUFF ISN'T GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET AROUND.

WE'LL GET NO SERVICES AT ALL.

CAN YOU WRAP IT UP, MA'AM? SO THANK YOU.

OKAY, I'LL PUT THIS IN A SECOND.

THANK YOU. MAN IN THE BACK WITH THE BLUE.

MY NAME IS MICHAEL BRAMLETT.

I LIVE AT 375 HEALD ROAD.

I WASN'T GOING TO SAY ANYTHING TILL SOME OF THE OTHER ITEMS DOWN THE WAY, BUT SOMEBODY OPENED THIS CAN OF WORMS AND IT GETS IT'S ALL JOINED TOGETHER.

I'M THE PROPERTY THAT'S RIGHT NEXT DOOR.

TO THIS PROPOSED STARBUCKS.

I'M THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO BE AFFECTED THE MOST BY IT.

THEY'RE GOING TO PUT A BIG RETENTION POND IN BEHIND OUR PROPERTY.

WHETHER IT HOW IT'S MAINTAINED OR WHAT, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I'M LOOKING AT TRAFFIC.

AIR POLLUTION.

DIFFERENT KIND OF LIGHTS.

TRAFFIC LIGHTS.

ALL KIND OF LIGHTS TO LIGHT THE PARKING LOTS.

THE SPEAKERS FOR THE THE ORDERING.

THAT SOUND IS GOING TO COME RIGHT INTO MY BEDROOM WINDOW AND THEY'RE OPEN LATE AND THEY'RE OPEN EARLY.

SO I'M JUST OPPOSED TO THIS.

I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

RIGHT. YOU NEED TO FILL OUT A COMMENT CARD, SIR.

I HAVE ONE IN THERE.

IT'S GOT THE WRONG CASE NUMBER ON IT BECAUSE I WASN'T GOING TO DO THAT.

BUT THEY'RE ALL SEEM TO BE ALL LUMPED TOGETHER.

THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MIGUEL CAMACHO.

I OWN TWO PROPERTIES ON HILL ROAD, 325, FIVE HILL ROAD AND 4336 HILL ROAD.

MY FAMILY AND I JUST RECENTLY MOVED HERE FROM THE TEXAS AREA AND WE'VE BEEN IN MELBOURNE BEFORE AND I JUST REALLY KIND OF WANTED TO SUM ALL THIS UP FOR EVERYTHING.

I UNDERSTAND EVERYONE'S CONCERNS WITH THE TRAFFIC AND I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH IT.

SO TO TIE BACK INTO THIS SPECIFIC CASE, I THINK THIS CASE SETS THE PRECEDENTS FOR THE OTHER CASES.

SO I THINK APPROVING THIS CASE ONLY SETS THE ABILITY FOR THE OTHER CASES TO FIGHT FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND GETTING ANNEXATION.

SO THIS IS WHY I'M AGAINST ALL THE CASES COMING FORWARD.

THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? OKAY, GO. GO AHEAD, SIR.

I AM DEAF, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON.

I WAS SUPPOSED TO BEEN SUPPLIED WITH SOMETHING THAT I COULD HERE WITH, BUT THAT WAS NEVER, NEVER DONE.

MY NAME IS JAMES ZONDI.

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MY PROPERTY IS ADJACENT TO TO TO THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY WANT TO DO.

THIS WHOLE DEVELOPMENT IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH WHAT IS EXISTING RIGHT NOW.

BUT THE BIG THING FOR ME IS WHEN THEY WERE THEY BEING THE CITY OF PALM BAY WERE PUTTING IN FOR THAT TRAILER PLACE.

THEY PROMISED US THE PEOPLE IN THE HILL ROAD AREA, THAT ANYTHING NORTH OF THAT WOULD ONLY BE RESIDENTIAL PROFESSIONAL. THIS STARBUCKS THAT THEY WANT TO PUT IN.

THERE'S GOING TO BE LIGHTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE DESTROYING THE NIGHT.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE CARS COMING AROUND THE BUILDING THAT IS GOING TO BE SHINING THEIR LIGHT, THEIR HEADLIGHTS ACROSS YOUR YOUR BEDROOM WINDOWS.

THIS SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED.

WHAT'S MORE, PEOPLE PEOPLE SAID ENOUGH ABOUT THAT.

THAT ENTRANCE THAT WOULD BE OFF OF HEALD ROAD.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT WHAT ENGINEER EVER DESIGNED THAT, BUT HE SHOULDN'T EVEN BE AN ENGINEER.

THAT IS THAT IS GOING TO BE NOTHING BUT PROBLEMS. BUT ANYWAY, THE THING THE THING IS, NOTHING NORTH OF THAT TRAILER PARK WAS PROMISED.

NOTHING WOULD BE MORE THAN RESIDENTIAL PROFESSIONAL.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

HELLO, MY NAME IS MICHAEL HOWELL.

3230 HEALD ROAD.

I SHARE AN OPINION WITH THE REST OF THE PEOPLE WHO FEEL LIKE THIS DEVELOPMENT IS THE CASCADE INTO FURTHER DEVELOPMENT.

BUT CITING THIS SPECIFIC ANNEX INTO PALM BAY FOR A COMMERCIAL FOR COMMERCIAL ZONING, THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND A COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL.

THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IN PALM BAY AND A COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL IN BREVARD COUNTY.

IF YOU HAVE A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, YOU CAN PAVE THE WHOLE THING, KNOCK DOWN EVERY TREE, PUT UP A PARKING LOT, LIGHTS, YOU KNOW, STORE FRONTAGE, MULTIPLE STORE FRONTAGES ON LOOKS LIKE THE 2.11 ACRES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED THERE.

SO THIS IS NOT A NO IMPACT ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY ALONE.

THIS WOULD CHANGE THE FACE OF WHAT WE LOOK AT EVERY DAY GOING IN AND OUT OF MINTON ROAD FROM HEALD ROAD OR EVEN JUST DRIVING PAST.

YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WE SEE A RESIDENT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING WITH A THAT SELLS TRAILER IN THE BACK.

IT'S PERFECTLY FINE. IT'S WONDERFUL.

THERE'S TREES GREEN AREA, EVEN THE THE U-SHAPED DRIVEWAY IS NOT PAVED.

IT SEEMS LIKE A VERY A COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.

YOU CHANGE THAT COMMERCIAL THAT THEY CAN PAVE THE WHOLE THING, PUT CURBS UP, PUT SIGNAGE, A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

THAT OPENS UP THAT CHANGES THE FACE OF THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY.

ADD THAT TO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE LIST AND THE NEXT ITEM ON THE LIST AND YOU SEE HOW EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE CASCADES INTO SOMETHING MUCH BIGGER AND MUCH BIGGER AND MUCH BIGGER, BUT DEALING WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY.

EVEN THE PERSON WHO REPRESENTED THE.

YOU KNOW, JEFF KUHN, WHO REPRESENTED THE.

THE AFFORDABLE TRAILER AND SERVICES THEY WANT TO TIE IN TO PALM BAY UTILITIES.

GREAT. FINE.

THAT'S WONDERFUL.

EXCEPT HE SAID THE ONLY REASON I WANT TO TIE INTO PALM BAY UTILITIES IS BECAUSE I CAN'T GET THAT FROM WEST MELBOURNE AND I WANT TO BUILD A BIGGER PROPERTY.

SO IF FOR SOME REASON HE DOES NOT IS NOT ABLE TO TIE IN TO PALM BAY UTILITIES, DOES THAT MEAN THAT EVERYTHING ELSE ON THE LIST GOES AWAY? I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE THAT'S HIS PREROGATIVE FROM A DEVELOPER STANDPOINT, BUT.

IT SEEMS LIKE THIS.

IN AND OF ITSELF WILL CHANGE WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.

WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY SEEING, WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY LOOKING AT, AS WELL AS PROVIDE AN IMPACT TO TRAFFIC.

THEY'RE ASSUMING THAT THIS COMMERCIAL ZONING ALLOWS THAT USER TO CREATE A LARGER PARKING SPOT FOR MORE BUSINESSES TO BE PUT IN.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? SEEING NONE. HEY.

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I LIVE AT 3900 POWELL ROAD.

IT'S AN OFFSHOOT OF HEALD ROAD.

I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT WAS SAID AGAINST DOING THIS.

AND ANOTHER ASPECT THAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT IS THE TRAFFIC.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN TO STARBUCKS BEFORE OR DRIVE THRU, BUT THEY GET REALLY, REALLY LONG 15, 20, 30 CARS.

WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT COME DOWN HEALD ROAD MAKE U-TURNS 2 OR 3.

I'M DOORS DOWN IN THE PARKING PEOPLE'S DRIVEWAYS MAKE U-TURNS.

AND THERE'S A LOT OF CONGESTION I CAN JUST ENVISION NOW 25, 30 CARS.

COMING DOWN HEALD ROAD.

THEY GOT A U TURN, THEY GOT TO GO ALL THE WAY DOWN SOMEBODY'S DRIVEWAY OR TO THE NEXT STREET AND TURN.

IT'S ALREADY IT'S A IT'S A DISASTER ALREADY.

THERE'S A NO U-TURN SIGN ON MITTEN ROAD THAT PEOPLE DON'T SEE OR DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO ALREADY.

AND IT'S A HAZARD IF I'M TURNING RIGHT TO GO SOUTH DOWN MITTEN ROAD OUT OF HEALED, SOMEBODY'S MAKING A U-TURN.

THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT MORE ACCIDENTS.

YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S JUST IT'S REALLY BAD, ESPECIALLY WITH THE THE CONDOS THAT WERE JUST BUILT ACROSS THE WAY.

JUST NORTH OF HILL ROAD, ABOUT A HALF MILE UP.

THERE'S MORE CONDO UNITS GOING IN.

RIGHT WHERE THE BRIDGES THAT GOES OVER 95 ON MINTON IT'S GOING TO MAKE IT REAL BAD.

AND THIS IS JUST GOING TO MAKE IT REAL WORSE.

WE LIVE IN A REALLY NICE AREA.

THERE'S WILDLIFE DOWN THE ROAD.

WE HAVE DEER THAT RUN THROUGH OUR FRONT YARD.

WE HAVE TURTLES.

IT'S LIKE IT'S LIKE ALMOST LIKE A SANCTUARY.

AND THERE'S NONE OF THAT LEFT IN PALM BAY THAT I KNOW OF.

IT'S A BEAUTIFUL AREA.

IF NONE OF YOU HAVE BEEN DOWN HEALD ROAD.

PLEASE, AS REPRESENTATIVES OF PALM BAY DRIVE DOWN THAT ROAD SOMETIME AND SEE WHAT IT'S LIKE.

WE LOVE THAT AREA. I'VE BEEN I'VE BEEN LIVING THERE 30 YEARS AND I'VE SEEN A LOT OF CHANGES.

AND I AGREE WITH A LOT.

AND AND OTHERS I DON'T.

BUT THIS ONE I'M TOTALLY AGAINST.

AND LIKE IT WAS SAID BEFORE, THIS IS THE DOMINO.

THE NEXT THREE THAT ARE COMING UP.

IT'S JUST BOOM, BOOM, BOOM.

AND THANK YOU ALL FOR LISTENING.

SEEING NONE WITH THE APPLICANT LIKE TO RESPOND.

VERY BRIEFLY AS WE KNEW THE TRAFFIC'S A LEGITIMATE CONCERN AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT IMPROVEMENTS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE MADE TO THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE ABOUT NOISE AND LIGHT AND THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, PAVING AND EVERYTHING ELSE WE INTEND TO COMPLY COMPLETELY WITH.

BOMBAY'S REQUIREMENTS FOR ANY SITE PLANS AND ZONING CODES.

AND WE MEET THOSE STANDARDS AS SET BY THIS BOARD AND THE COUNCIL.

AND IF YOU IF YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR ME, I'M HERE TO ANSWER THEM.

BUT OTHERWISE BREVITY IS BEST.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

I'M. READING THE DOCUMENTS, I DID NOT SEE ANY EGRESS OR INGRESS ONTO HALE GROVE.

AND TO HAVE.

ITS ENTRANCE OFF OF HALE ROAD INTO THE.

SO THIS PROPERTY OWNER IS SEPARATE THAN THE PROPERTY OWNER THAT OWNS THE OTHER THREE PARCELS, AND THEY'RE COMING IN IN CONJUNCTION BECAUSE THIS THIS PROPERTY IS THE CONNECTION POINT BETWEEN PALM BAY AND THE OTHER PROPERTIES.

THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL OF THIS CASE, I DO NOT KNOW IF THIS GENTLEMAN HAS ANY PLANS TO DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT HE'S DOING.

THE PARCELS THAT WE'RE DEVELOPING, WE PLAN TO HAVE ONE CONNECTION POINT ON THE HEALD ROAD.

RIGHT. CURRENTLY THERE ARE THREE DRIVEWAYS ON CONNECTIONS.

WE WOULD REDUCE THAT DOWN TO ONE.

CURRENTLY THERE ARE FOUR DRIVEWAYS ONTO MINTON ROAD AND THAT WOULD BE REDUCED DOWN TO TWO I BELIEVE IS THE CURRENT PLAN.

BUT AGAIN, THIS IS CONCEPTUAL SITE PLANNING UNTIL THEY HAVE THE ENGINEERING DONE.

IT'S ALL CONCEPTS. THE QUESTIONS FROM THE SIDE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THE FLOOR IS NOW CLOSED FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS AND BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD.

AFTER HEARING ALL THE EVIDENCE, IS THERE, ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? AND IF I MAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

FIRST AND FOREMOST, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REESTABLISH WHAT YOU SO ELOQUENTLY PUT AT THE BEGINNING OF A MEETING IN OUR ANNOUNCEMENTS OF OUR VOLUNTEER STATUS HERE ON THIS BOARD.

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IT'S NOT A VOTING POSITION. IT'S NOT ANYTHING.

WE'RE HERE JUST LIKE NORMAL PEOPLE.

SO I JUST KIND OF WANT TO RESTATE THAT.

I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE THE FACTS THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED.

I WANTED TO JUST CIRCLE BACK AND ASK FOR CLARIFICATION ABOUT THE PARTICULAR ITEM THAT WE ARE WORKING ON, IF MAYBE WE COULD HAVE THE VISUAL AID OF THE MAP TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THE PARCEL IS AND WHAT THIS EXACT PARCEL IN ITS FUTURE LIFE WILL BE USED FOR.

I JUST WANT YOU. ABSOLUTELY.

SO AS I UNDERSTAND IT, I HAVE NOT GOTTEN ANY FEEDBACK ON IT BEING ANYTHING OTHER THAN AFFORDABLE TRAILER SUPPLY AND SERVICE.

IT'S PURELY FOR A UTILITIES STANDPOINT, AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT WILL CONTINUE IN ITS USE AS IT IS TODAY AND THAT SO THAT SO THE CHECKERED PORTION IS THE ONE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR THIS PARTICULAR ITEM? THAT'S CORRECT. AND CURRENTLY IT HAS SOME SORT OF UTILITIES LIKE INFRASTRUCTURE PLACED ON IT.

NOW, I DON'T BELIEVE IT.

IT DOES. IT'S ALL UNINCORPORATED BREVARD COUNTY.

SO THAT'S WHEN IT GOES BEFORE ON THE 20TH FOR ANNEXATION.

THIS IS TO HAVE IT HAVE A FUTURE LAND USE ASSIGNED TO IT ON TOP OF THAT.

SURE. AND SO PERHAPS MOST APPROPRIATE FOR THE APPLICANT.

BUT I GUESS MY THOUGHT PROCESS IS, MADAM CHAIR, IF YOU ENTERTAIN ME HERE, IS DOES THE APPLICANT INTEND TO PUT THE UTILITIES AND THE STORMWATER AND THE THINGS OF THE SORT ON THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL? AND AGAIN, MOST PROBABLY BEST SERVED TO ASK THE APPLICANT, IF I MAY.

TO THE BEST OF THE EXTENT, THERE ARE NO CURRENT PLANS TO ADD ANY EXTRA STORMWATER THERE.

IT'S ALREADY BUILT OUT. THERE ARE NO PLANS TO CHANGE THE BUILDING.

SO IT MEETS THE CODES AS WERE IN PLACE AT THE TIME THE BUILDING WAS BUILT.

IF UTILITIES GET EXTENDED, WE ARE PLANNING TO CONNECT THAT CURRENT SEPTIC SYSTEM TO THE SEWER TREATMENT SYSTEM OF PALM BAY.

OKAY. SO THE STORMWATER FOR THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL, IT HAS A STORMWATER MITIGATION SYSTEM RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.

OKAY. OKAY.

AND THEN I GUESS WHERE MY BRAIN WAS GOING IN TRYING NOT TO BLUR THE LINES, BUT IN LINES THAT ARE ALREADY BLURRY IS THE IDEA IS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE STORMWATER OFF OF THE OTHER PARCEL. SO MY THOUGHT PROCESS WOULD BE YOU NEED A BIGGER PUDDLE, SO TO SPEAK.

SO WOULD YOU MAKE A BIGGER PUDDLE OUT OF THIS ONE? YEAH, THE PLAN WITH THE OTHER PARCELS WOULD BE TO CONTAIN THEIR OWN STORMWATER THROUGH THE SAINT JOHNS PERMITTING PROCESS AND MEET THE ALL THE CODE REQUIREMENTS ON THAT.

OKAY. SO IT REALLY IS SEPARATE IN THAT YOU DON'T PLAN TO MERGE THESE PROPERTIES.

CORRECT. UNDERSTOOD.

UNDERSTOOD. OKAY.

NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, MADAM CHAIR.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? JUST LIKE TO REMIND THE BOARD WE ARE VOTING ON THIS ONE SINGLE PROJECT.

SO DO I.

OR DO I HAVE A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE CP 23 00013.

MOTION BY MR. WEINBERG, SECOND BY MR. OLSZEWSKI. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE. OPPOSED.

NAY. NAYS.

I THINK MR. MCLEOD AND MR. WARNER WERE THE NAYS.

WE JUST HAVE A ROLL CALL, MADAM CHAIR.

HRUSHEVSKY WAS AN I.

MR. BOEREMA I MR. WARNER NAY JORDAN I.

I. NAY.

NAY. VERSES FOUR THREE.

OKAY. THE NEXT CASE IS THE COMPANION CASE.

CPC 23 0007.

MISS BERNARD, GOOD EVENING AGAIN.

THIS IS THE COMPANION CASE FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE.

THIS IS CASE CPC 23 007, AGAIN OWNED BY MR. KAUFMANN OF AFFORDABLE TRAILER SUPPLY AND SERVICE REPRESENTED BY JEFF COHEN AND COLE OLIVER, LOCATED WEST OF AND ADJACENT TO MINTON ROAD IN THE VICINITY SOUTH OF HEALD ROAD.

IT'S 2.11 ACRES.

IT CURRENTLY HAS A ZONING OF BU ONE WHICH IS GENERAL RETAIL COMMERCIAL, AND THAT'S A BREVARD COUNTY ZONING CLASSIFICATION.

SO THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED FOR COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL, WHICH WOULD BE A CITY OF PALM BAY ZONING CLASSIFICATION, WHICH IS COMPARABLE, AND IT MEETS ALL THE PARAMETERS OF A REZONING REQUEST.

AND I AM HERE AS WELL AS THE APPLICANT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

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JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION FOR THIS MAP.

WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SAME TERRITORY, JUST THE ZIGZAG.

WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SAME TERRITORY.

YES. OKAY.

JUST HERE WE ARE ON THE ZONING.

WE DID THE FUTURE LAND USE. WE ALREADY DID FUTURE LAND USE.

THIS IS A ZONING AND IT'S JUST THE HATCHED AREA IN YELLOW.

PERFECT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE CLARIFICATION.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE.

THE APPLICANT. YOU ALL HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OF ME? I THINK JUST JUST LET ME ASK.

OF COURSE. ALL RIGHT.

WHEN WHEN WE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE UTILITIES, I MEAN, THERE'S THE WORD UTILITIES AGAIN.

BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE UTILITIES, WHAT I MEAN, WHAT WAS THE WHAT WAS THE IMPACT WHEN IT WAS BRAVARD WHEN IT WAS WHEN WHEN IT WAS UNDER BREVARD COUNTY VERSUS NOW IT'S MOVING OVER TO PALM BAY OTHER THAN SAINT JOHN'S WITH SAINT SAINT JOHN'S WORK BOTH HAND IN HAND WITH THE COUNTY AS WELL AS WITH THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

SO AND I BELIEVE IT'S THE SAME ANSWER AS BEFORE, AND PERHAPS THE APPLICANT CAN ANSWER IT.

BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IS THAT PALM BAY HAS THE AVAILABILITY FOR SEWER AND WATER AT THIS SITE.

AND SO THAT WAS THE REASON FOR THE REQUEST.

YES, IT REMAINS THE SAME FOR THIS FOR THE.

MADAM CHAIR, MAY I ASK ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION JUST TO FURTHER CLARIFY.

AND I UNDERSTAND. MR. MARTIN AM I RIGHT IN STATING THAT IF PERHAPS THE PROPERTY STAYED IN THE COUNTY, THEY COULD HOOK UP TO PALM BAY UTILITY SYSTEM, BUT THAT THEY WOULD BE PAID AN OUT OF OUT OF TOWN RATE LIKE THE FOLKS THAT ARE NOT IN PALM BAY AND ARE ON OUR UTILITY SYSTEM.

RIGHT? SO LIKE LOGISTICALLY, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THEY COULD DO SUCH A THING, BUT THEY WOULD PAY MORE.

SO IT BEHOOVES THEM TO BE IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY AND BE A RESIDENT AND PAY FOR THE SERVICES.

RIGHT. BUT THE SERVICES ARE THERE EITHER WAY.

AM I WRONG? WELL, I AM NOT A UTILITIES EXPERT, SO LET ME JUST SAY THAT FIRST OFF.

BUT I DO NOT KNOW HOW THE UTILITIES AGREEMENT, I'M SURE THERE'S PROBABLY A SERVICE PROVIDE AREA.

AND SO BUT I WOULD THINK THAT PALM BAY RESIDENTS WOULD HAVE A BETTER RATE.

BUT I DEFER TO THE THE REST OF THE STAFF TABLE, IF I MAY, MADAM CHAIR, TO SAY, ISN'T THERE MAYBE SOME OF THESE RESIDENTS THAT ARE HERE THAT DON'T LIVE IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY AND LIVE IN UNINCORPORATED BREVARD COUNTY DOWNHILL ROAD AND GET SERVICES FROM THE CITY OF PALM BAY? NO, NO, WE HAVE ANY DOWN THERE.

NO. OKAY.

OKAY. CROWDSOURCING THE ANSWER.

OKAY. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. OKAY.

I DIDN'T QUITE GET MY ANSWER. I'M SORRY, MADAM CHAIR.

TRADITIONALLY, ONCE YOU ANNEX A PROPERTY, AS ONCE YOU EXTEND YOUR UTILITIES TO IT THROUGH A UTILITIES AGREEMENT DURING THAT PROCESS OF ANNEXATION, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ZONING, DEPENDING ON WHAT ZONING YOU'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH AS WELL.

SO YOUR UTILITY AGREEMENT IS SOMETHING THAT IS DRAWN UP DURING THOSE PROCESSES.

GOTCHA. OKAY.

SITE PLAN LEVEL. I THINK THAT IS AS MUCH CLARIFICATION AS I CAN GET IN THIS VENUE, MADAM CHAIR.

SO THANK YOU. AND I DO HAVE ONE OTHER.

I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION, IF YOU DON'T MIND, MADAM CHAIR.

ALL RIGHT. MY OTHER. SO I'M COMING BACK TO THEN.

WHERE? WHERE? WHERE'S THIS TRAFFIC? I MEAN, IT IS.

I MEAN, I'VE BEEN DOWN HILL ROAD.

IT'S UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S A POOR WAY TO PUT IT, BUT IT'S A DEATH TRAP IF ANYTHING DO HAPPEN DOWN THERE.

SO I THINK I JUST NEED TO BE A LITTLE BIT HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY AS TO AND I UNDERSTAND WE GOT FOUR DIFFERENT MOVING PARTS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW HERE. SO I JUST THINK I NEED A TO BETTER UNDERSTAND BECAUSE WE'RE ABOUT TO MOVE INTO THESE NEXT TWO CASES.

AND WHERE IS THIS, THIS, THIS.

GIANT TRAFFIC CREATOR OF STARBUCKS.

WHERE'S THIS COMING INTO PLAY AT.

ON YOU CANNOT WE DON'T WE DON'T KNOW YOU CANNOT CONSIDER THAT IN YOUR.

I UNDERSTAND THAT BUT YOU DO CONSIDER THAT THERE WILL BE A PROCESS THAT THEY CAN APPEAL.

AND WE ARE PUTTING IN A LEGAL POSITION WHERE YOU CANNOT BE CONSIDERING ANY OTHER PROPERTY WHEN YOU'RE CONSIDERING THIS PROPERTY.

I CAN'T HEAR. SORRY I SAID THAT YOU CANNOT CONSIDER ANY OTHER PROPERTY IN ANY OTHER RELATION TO THE ONE THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW. YOU CAN ONLY BE CONSIDERING THE PROPERTY AND THE REQUEST AT HAND.

ANY OTHER TRAFFIC SCENARIOS THAT MAY MANIFEST FROM OTHER CASES CANNOT BE CONSIDERED IN THIS JUNCTION.

SO IF YOU WERE TO VOTE ON, WE UNDERSTAND THAT.

SO THAT'S THAT QUESTION IS NOT SOMETHING WE CAN NECESSARILY CONSIDER, THOUGH.

THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS IF YOU ASK ABOUT TRAFFIC ON ANOTHER PROPERTY, THE STARBUCKS, THE STARBUCKS IS NOT THIS CASE.

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FAIR ENOUGH. FAIR ENOUGH.

CLARIFICATION, MR. ANDERSON.

SEEING. OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD.

THANK YOU. WAS NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.

IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST? I JUST WANT TO ASK YOU A QUESTION.

WHAT ARE WE SEARCHING RIGHT NOW? RIGHT HERE. RIGHT HERE.

SCOTT SALAD 1550 STUDLEY DRIVE.

HEALD ROAD OFF OF HEALD.

I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT PROPERTY OR WHAT SECTION ARE WE ADDRESSING NOW? BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE WERE ADDRESSING OFF OF HEALD ROAD THE ENTRANCE.

SO I'M CONFUSED.

SO THERE WAS ADDITIONAL DISCUSSIONS FROM THE APPLICANT THAT OH, THE FIRST ONE WHERE THE TRAILER IS THIS IS THE SAME AREA, BUT THE APPLICANT, BECAUSE THEY ARE ASSOCIATED WITH FURTHER DEVELOPMENTS, THEY EXTENDED THEIR CONVERSATION BECAUSE OF THE VOTING POWER OF THE BOARD.

THEY'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO CONSIDER WHERE WE THOUGHT WE WERE ADDRESSING THE OTHER.

OKAY. THANK YOU. DOES ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST? I MY NAME IS GREG HOWES.

I'M AT 1664 CHERRY HONOR COURT, NORTHWEST PALM BAY.

I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED.

I GUESS IT'S A COMMENT AND A QUESTION, BUT I THINK WE'RE CONSIDERING THIS ONE RIGHT HERE.

RIGHT. OH, NO, NO, NO.

COME BACK TO THE PODIUM.

THIS ISN'T A BACK AND FORTH, BUT WE'LL EXPLAIN.

ONLY THE HASHTAG OFF OF MINTON IS IN THIS CASE.

OKAY. I'LL WAIT TILL THE NEXT ONE.

THANK YOU, SIR. ANYONE ELSE? THINK. RON THOMPSON 495 HILL ROAD PALM BAY.

TO ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT THE RETENTION ON THIS EXISTING PROPERTY.

THERE IS NO RETENTION.

THAT PROPERTY WAS DEVELOPED IN THE 1960S, I BELIEVE, WITH THE APPROXIMATE DATE, AND THEY HAVE NO OWN ON SITE RETENTION AND THEY PROBABLY WILL NOT NEED ANY IN THE WAY THAT IT IS USED TODAY.

BUT IF THEY GO TO A ZONING THAT LIKE THEY ARE REQUESTING, THEN THAT INCREASES THE POSSIBILITY OF THEM CHANGING THEIR BUILDING AND BUILDING AND STRUCTURES SO THAT THEY CAN DO THAT.

SO IN THAT CASE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE SOME ON SITE RETENTION.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, WHAT WE I THINK HAS BEEN FAILED TO REVIEW HERE, EVEN THOUGH WE'VE TALKED ABOUT OTHER PROPERTIES, ANY INCREASE IN ZONING WILL ALSO INCREASE THE TRAFFIC TO LIKE I SAID BEFORE, IF YOU WISH TO ANNEX IT, ONLY TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES, NO PROBLEM.

THEY CAN USE A PROPERTY IN THE IN THE ZONING THAT IT IS NOW LIKE THEY ARE USING IT.

WE WILL NOT BE HINDERING THEM IN ANY WAY.

ACTUALLY, WE WILL BE GIVING THEM A BLESSING TO BE ABLE TO USE THE FACILITIES, THE WATER AND SEWER IF THEY SO DESIRE.

NO PROBLEM. THEN WE'LL GET THE TAX REVENUE.

BUT TO GIVE THEM A HIGHER CLASS ZONING WHICH WILL THEN ALLOW FUTURE AND WE CAN'T DEPEND ON WHAT THEY TELL US TODAY THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO IN THE FUTURE.

YOU HAVE TO DEPEND ON WHAT WILL BE DONE OR PROBABLY WILL BE DONE OR ALLOWED TO BE DONE.

SO IN THAT CASE, TRAFFIC IS THE CONCERN FOR HILL ROAD.

TRAFFIC IS A CONCERN FOR MINTON.

SO I THINK YOU CAN CONSIDER THAT AND DO THIS ZONING BECAUSE THE ZONING AFFECTS TRAFFIC.

IF IT DOESN'T, TELL ME WHY NOT.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SORRY. MY NAME IS MATT LANE.

I'M AT 4123 AND LOWE THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY BEHIND THE CROSS-HATCHED AREA.

MY BIGGEST QUESTION, I WASN'T PLANNING TO SPEAK, SO I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS WHEN YOU GUYS VOTED 4 TO 3 TO ADOPT IT INTO PALM BAY. HOW DOES THAT CHANGE? OR I'M SORRY, I'M SEEING NO SHAKE.

I MAY BE MISTAKEN.

YES, SIR. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ANNEXATION.

WE. THE ANNEXATION DOES NOT COME BEFORE THIS BOARD.

OKAY? IT'S STRICTLY COMPREHENSIVE.

WE WERE VOTING ON. THIS IS STRICTLY A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGE, WHICH WE JUST APPROVED.

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RIGHT. WE DO NOT CONSIDER THE ANNEXATION.

OKAY. WELL, I WANT TO BRING UP A POINT, TOO, SINCE IT WAS BROUGHT UP WITH STORMWATER AND THERE ARE SOME ENVIRONMENTAL SPECIES THAT ARE ON THE CURRENT LAND RIGHT NOW. NOW FOR THAT CROSS-HATCHED SECTION, HOW IS AND WHAT DIFFERENCE IS THERE GOING TO BE FROM BREVARD COUNTY TO PALM BAY IF IT DOES GET ANNEXED AS FAR AS ENVIRONMENTAL STATUS, ENVIRONMENTAL SPECIES ON THERE? AND SECONDLY, THE STORMWATER IN THE FUTURE, IF THIS IS ADOPTED INTO PALM BAY, HOW HOW MUCH OF THAT LAND ARE THEY GOING TO BE ABLE TO CLEAR CUT, WHICH IS THEN GOING TO PROVIDE MORE PROBLEMS WITH STORMWATER? BECAUSE THERE'S THE SECTION BETWEEN THE CROSS-HATCHED AND MY HOUSE, WHICH IS IF YOU GO DIRECTLY BACK TO REZ TWO, IT'S PRETTY MUCH ON MY HOUSE. I'M ANKLE DEEP IN WATER ALREADY RIGHT BEHIND OUR GATE.

I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR MOWING IT AND KEEPING IT CLEAN AND ALL THAT SO THAT WHEN THERE IS A HURRICANE COME THROUGH AND WASH ALL THAT THROUGH, THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO FLOOD MY HOUSE.

IF THEY CLEAR CUT ALL THAT AND THEN DON'T PUT ANY MORE BIG POND LIKE I HEARD TODAY, HOW IS THAT GOING TO BE AFFECTING MY HOUSE? AND IS THAT GOING TO BE TEN YEARS, 15 YEARS WHEN THE TRAILER PARK OR THE TRAILER COMPANY MOVES ON AND THEY WANT TO PUT SOMETHING ELSE? BUT THEN NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN, PALM BAY DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME RESTRICTIONS AS BREVARD COUNTY DOES ANYMORE.

NOW ARE THEY ABLE TO CLEAR CUT EVERYTHING AND PUT ASPHALT DOWN BACK UP TO THE END OF THEIR PROPERTY? SO THAT'S ANOTHER CONSIDERATION I WOULD SUGGEST.

THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. I'LL FILL THIS OUT.

COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE.

HELLO AGAIN, JOHN ZIEMKE 1590 STUDLEY DRIVE PALM BAY OR PALM BAY OFF OF HILL ROAD.

IT SEEMS THERE'S A LOT OF CONFUSION ABOUT WHY WE'RE SO CONCERNED ABOUT THIS PARCEL BECAUSE IT'S NOWHERE NEAR HERE WHERE IT HAS BEEN POINTED OUT NUMEROUS TIMES. I THINK WHEN WE GET TO THE NEXT TWO CASES, I KNOW THAT THEY CAN'T THEY CAN'T ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.

BUT I THINK IT'S GOING TO BECOME ABUNDANTLY CLEAR AS TO WHY WE'RE SO CONCERNED ABOUT THIS PARCEL.

YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IN THE NEXT TWO CASES THAT EVERYTHING ABOVE THAT HASHED SECTION THERE IS NOW GOING TO BE THE TOPIC OF CONVERSATION, AND THAT'S WHERE THE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS ARE GOING TO COME IN.

AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE YOU TO DO IS PAY ATTENTION BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE TALK ABOUT THE STARBUCKS AND THAT STARBUCKS IS GOING TO CREATE A LOT OF TRAFFIC PROBLEMS ON HEALD ROAD, A LOT OF SAFETY ISSUES.

BUT WHAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT AND I'M SURE THE APPLICANTS WON'T TALK ABOUT, THERE ARE GOING TO BE TWO LOTS BELOW STARBUCKS AND ABOVE THIS TRAILER SALES LOT THOSE TWO LOTS, THERE'S BEEN NO DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE YET.

IF YOU LOOK ON THEIR PLANS, THERE ARE APRONS.

I'M SORRY, THIS CASE IS NOT ABOUT THOSE OTHER LOTS.

WE HAVE TO BE SPECIFIC ON WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON.

AND IT'S A PIECE OF PROPERTY.

AGAIN, MY POINT IS MY POINT IS IT'S GOING TO BECOME VERY CLEAR AS TO WHY THIS PARCEL HAS SUCH AN IMPACT ON WHAT WE CONSIDER TO BE A MAJOR SAFETY ISSUE.

SO I DO ASK THAT YOU PAY ATTENTION AS YOU DO.

I KNOW YOU DO. I'M SORRY TO WHY WE WANT TO PREVENT THIS, BECAUSE AS OTHER PEOPLE HAVE SAID, EVEN THOUGH IT'S WE'RE BEING TOLD IT'S GOING TO REMAIN AS IT IS, THERE'S GOING TO BE NO GUARANTEE.

THERE'S GOING TO BE NO STIPULATIONS.

AND THIS COULD BE TURNED INTO A ANOTHER TYPE OF RESTAURANT, COULD BE TURNED INTO A I KNOW THERE'S A BURGER KING ACROSS THE STREET, BUT SOME OTHER TYPE OF RESTAURANT.

THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL, THERE'S GOING TO BE NOTHING FROM STOPPING THAT.

AND THAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO CREATE MORE OF A TRAFFIC PROBLEM.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE FOUR.

CAN YOU WRAP IT UP? PARCELS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? I'M ANDREAS LUCAS, 1691 WILLARD ROAD.

WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT TRAFFIC, BUT I WANT TO FOCUS ON JUST THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL.

MR. KAUFMAN HAS BEEN OPERATING THIS TRAILER PLACE FOR A LONG TIME, AND HE DOESN'T GAIN ANYTHING BY CHANGING THE ZONING OR BY CHANGING THE BY ANNEXING INTO PALM BAY.

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WHY ARE WE EVEN CONSIDERING IT? HE'S OPERATED FINE UP TILL NOW.

HE HAS NO FUTURE.

FUTURE PLANS TO CHANGE HOW HE'S OPERATING, I'VE HEARD.

SO IF IT'S NOT AFFECTING HIM, IT'S NOT GAINING HIM ANYTHING.

IT'S NOT GAINING HIS BUSINESS.

ANYTHING. WHY ARE WE EVEN CONSIDERING IT? THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

AGAIN. MIKE KINGERY.

3585 HEALD ROAD.

AND I UNDERSTAND ONE PARTIAL.

NOT ALL FOUR PARTIALS, BUT ALL FOUR PARTIALS ARE THE SAME IN THIS CONSIDERATION.

OKAY. THE PARTIAL THAT WE'RE SPEAKING OF RIGHT NOW.

OKAY. WHY DO THEY WANT IT TO EVEN? I'LL ASK YOU ALL A QUESTION.

WHY ARE WE GOING FROM THE COMMERCIAL THAT THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS PROFESSIONAL TO THE OTHER COMMERCIAL? WHY ARE THEY GOING FROM THE COUNTY TO PALM BAY? THEY'RE NOT GAINING ANYTHING OUT OF IT.

IT'S BECAUSE WITHOUT THAT PROPERTY BEING IN PALM BAY WHERE THEY'RE RIGHT BESIDE IT, THEY CAN ATTACH IT AND BRING IT INTO PALM BAY ATTACH IT AND BRING IT INTO PALM BAY IN THE IN THE ANNEXATIONS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

WITHOUT THAT, THEY CAN'T GET INTO PALM BAY.

THAT'S WHAT WE FOUGHT FOR 25 YEARS.

AND THIS IS THEIR CHICKEN WAY TO GET AROUND IT.

THANK YOU. YES, SIR.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? SEEING NONE. I'LL BE QUICK.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS KEVIN WARD 4132 ANTLER ROAD.

AND IT'S. WE'RE IN COUNTY.

MR. OLSZOWSKI, IF THAT'S CORRECT.

I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. OLSHEVSKY I'M SORRY.

OLSHEVSKY I APOLOGIZE.

WE DO LIVE IN COUNTY, BUT WE DO.

OUR ROAD DOES GET PALM BAY UTILITIES.

I'M NOT SURE HOW ALL THAT WORKS OUT, BUT IT IS POSSIBLE TO GET PALM BAY UTILITIES WITHOUT ACTUALLY BEING IN PALM BAY JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR.

JARED COOPER CURRENTLY RESIDE AT 1631.

CRANFIELD TERRACE GOING TO BE RESIDING AT 3836 HEALD ROAD IN PALM BAY, FLORIDA.

I WANT TO THANK THE PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD WHO SEE THIS STUFF IS INTERCONNECTED AND NOT TREATING THIS LIKE AUTONOMOUS SITUATIONS AND VOTING NAY FOR THE PEOPLE WHO VOTED FOR THE LAST ONE.

AND I HAVE SUSPICION THEY WILL VOTE AGAIN FOR THIS ONE.

THAT IS NOT VERY NEIGHBORLY.

YOU'RE NOT CONSIDERING THE RESIDENTS OF YOUR CITY IN THIS SITUATION.

IT IS OBVIOUS THEY ARE CONNECTED.

IT IS OBVIOUS IT IS GOING TO CAUSE PROBLEMS FOR THE RESIDENTS.

THE PEOPLE ASKING FOR THESE WAIVERS AND CHANGES, IT DOES NOT AFFECT THEIR BUSINESS.

THEY HAVE NO REASON TO DO THIS.

THEY THEY'VE OPERATED IN THIS CONDITION FOR DECADES.

THIS IS FOR SETTING UP FOR FUTURE CHANGES THAT WILL NEGATIVELY IMPACT CURRENT RESIDENTS.

FURTHER COMMENTS.

NONE WITH THE APPLICANT LIKE TO RESPOND.

AGAIN, THANK YOU. TO THE EXTENT THAT THE GENTLEMAN MADE THE COMMENT THAT THERE WAS NO RETENTION POND ON THAT PROPERTY.

IT COULD BE TRUE. I'M NOT POSITIVE, BUT I DO KNOW IF THAT PROPERTY IS EVER IMPROVED.

THEY WILL HAVE TO COME UP TO THE MODERN DAY TREATMENT STANDARDS FOR ANY OF THE STORMWATER ON IT.

AND THEN FOR THIS PARTICULAR HEARING, I KNOW THAT WE'LL HAVE THE NEXT ONE COMING UP NEXT.

BUT FOR THIS PARTICULAR HEARING, THIS PROPERTY IS ALREADY ZONED B ONE IN BREVARD COUNTY, WHICH IS THE HIGHEST COMMERCIAL ZONING IN BREVARD COUNTY, AND CC IS THE EQUIVALENT ZONING OF THE ZONING IT ALREADY HAS WITHIN BREVARD COUNTY.

SO I'M HERE AGAIN.

ANY QUESTIONS? YOU. I'LL TRY MY BEST TO ANSWER THEM AND BUT KEEP IT BRIEF.

I KNOW WE GOT A LONG NIGHT.

THANK YOU, SIR. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD FOR THE.

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IT IS A REMINDER, LIKE MR. OLSZEWSKI SAID, THIS BOARD IS VOLUNTEERS.

WE HAVE THE OBLIGATION TO WEIGH EACH CASE ON ITS MERITS.

WE CANNOT GO OUTSIDE OF THE CASE THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH AT THE TIME.

SO BOARD ANY.

THE COMMENTS OR A MOTION.

MOTION TO APPROVE CPC 23 00007.

AND I JUST WANT TO REITERATE SOMETHING THAT YOU JUST SAID TO THESE PEOPLE THAT, LOOK, YOU MAY SAY, WELL, YEAH, THIS IS RELATED TO THESE OTHER PARCELS.

WE CANNOT CONSIDER THE OTHER PARCELS.

THIS IS SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT ONE PARCEL THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND THAT'S THE ONLY CONSIDERATION THAT WE HAVE.

AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M VOTING TO APPROVE.

BY MR. WEINBERG. SECOND BY MR. OLSHEVSKY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE. AYE, AYE, AYE.

THOSE. YOUR HAND.

WHO'S OPPOSED? OKAY.

5252. MOTION PASSES.

FIVE TWO. NEXT.

NEXT CASE.

MR. BERNARD GOOD EVENING.

THIS IS THIS IS CP 23 000 TEN.

THE APPLICANT IS COLE OLIVER OF WEST MALABAR PROPERTIES LLC.

THIS THESE PROPERTIES ARE LOCATED WEST OF AND ADJACENT TO MINTON ROAD IN THE VICINITY SOUTH OF HEALD ROAD.

THE PROPOSED COMP PLAN IS 4.58 ACRES CURRENTLY HAS A FUTURE LAND USE OF RS TWO, WHICH IS RESIDENTIAL TWO AND NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL.

BOTH OF THESE ARE BREVARD COUNTY.

FUTURE LAND USE CLASSIFICATIONS AND THEY ARE PROPOSING TO HAVE A COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE CLASSIFICATION WITH THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

THIS MEETS THE ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CASE AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL AS THE APPLICANT.

THANK YOU, MR. BERNARD. BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I'M SURE I DO. MR..

THANK YOU, MA'AM. SO, MS..

BERNARD, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THE PROPERTY PARCELS THAT ARE ADDRESSED HERE ARE CURRENTLY, AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW TODAY IN UNINCORPORATED BREVARD COUNTY, AND THEY ARE ALSO ON THE CITY COUNCIL AGENDA FOR THE SECOND MEETING IN JULY TO BE ANNEXED INTO THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

AND SO THESE CASES WOULD SET THE STAGE FOR ONCE THEY ACTUALLY BECOME PART OF PALM BAY.

IF THEY DO, MAYBE THEY DON'T.

BUT IF THEY DO, THIS WOULD SET THEIR FUTURE LAND USE AND THEIR ZONING WITHIN OUR CITY.

IS THAT SUMMARY CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.

OKAY. SO AT THAT SECOND IN JULY CITY COUNCIL MEETING, THERE WILL BE TWO DIFFERENT ANNEXATION CASES.

THAT IS CORRECT. ONE PARCEL.

UNDERSTOOD. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S MY ONLY QUESTION.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU. WOULD THE APPLICANT PLEASE COME FORWARD? GOOD EVENING. NOTHING FURTHER TO BRING UP THAN I HAVE ALREADY ADDRESSED.

BUT IF THE BOARD HAS ANY QUESTIONS FROM ME, I'LL DO MY BEST TO ANSWER THOSE.

WOULD YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. OLSZEWSKI MAMA.

DUDE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, SIR. WILL THESE FOUR PARCELS, DO YOU PLAN TO CONJOIN THEM TOGETHER INTO ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY AND THEN FILE WITH THE COUNTY AS SUCH? AND THAT WOULD BE THE PLAN? BE ONE PARCEL. OKAY.

THANK YOU. SO ONE TAXABLE PARCEL, ONE TAX PARCEL, AND THERE COULD BE SEVERAL DIFFERENT LOTS WITHIN IT, BUT THAT WOULD GO THROUGH THE COMMERCIAL PLAT PROCESS OF THE THE CITY AND TO THE COMMENTS OF THERE WERE ADDITIONAL LOTS THERE.

YES, IT'S 4.5 ACRES OF STARBUCKS TAKES UP A LITTLE BIT OVER AN ACRE AND THERE COULD BE ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT ON THOSE PARCELS AS IT COMES FORWARD.

WE DO NOT KNOW AT THIS TIME WHAT THAT WOULD BE, BUT WE DO KNOW THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO MEET THE CITY'S STANDARDS FOR SERVICE AND CONDUCT TRAFFIC STUDIES AND ANY IMPROVEMENTS THAT THOSE STUDIES IDENTIFIED.

THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WOULD HAVE TO BE MADE BEFORE THE PROJECTS COULD GO FORWARD.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? LETTERS. I GOT ON THIS CASE AND THE ZONING CASE TO FOLLOW.

I SAW RECEIVED THREE EMAILS ON THIS CASE.

[01:35:07]

OKAY. THANK YOU. THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.

IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD WISH TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST? ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK AGAINST THIS REQUEST OVER HERE.

HELLO, MY NAME IS SARAH LEE.

I WAS GIVEN THE NICKNAME OF SALLY AT BIRTH, SO THAT'S WHAT I ANSWER TO.

I LIVE AT 42 60 ORANGE DRIVE, WHICH IS THE SECOND LEFT OFF OF HEALED ROAD.

WE'VE LIVED THERE FOR OVER 40 YEARS, RAISED OUR KIDS THERE.

IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PLACE.

MY CONCERN IS THING GOES IN.

WE'RE IN TROUBLE.

WE CAN'T GET OUT ON MINTON ROAD, AS OTHER PEOPLE HAVE SAID.

THERE ARE U-TURNS.

I COUNTED 14 U-TURNS IN A HALF AN HOUR.

NOT A POLICEMAN IN SIGHT.

AND THAT GOES ON ALL DAY, EVERY DAY.

THE APARTMENTS THAT THEY JUST PUT IN ARE MAKING IT THAT MUCH WORSE.

MY DAUGHTER LIVES TWO MILES FROM ME ON EBER ROAD AND WAS GOING TO PICK ME UP FOR A BALL GAME.

TOOK HER 45 MINUTES TO GET THAT TWO MILE DRIVE TO MY HOUSE ON MINTON ROAD.

STARBUCKS IS A GREAT COMPANY.

I LOVE THEM. NOT THERE.

WE HAVE SO MUCH TRAFFIC IN THE APARTMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE AT THE END OF THE BRIDGES ARE GOING TO PUT THAT MUCH MORE TRAFFIC THERE.

AND YOU KNOW WHAT? I WILL TELL EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU IF YOU HAVE LOVED ONES OUT HEALD ROAD AND YOU APPROVE THIS, GOD HELP YOU AND THEM.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? ANY DIFFERENT COMMENTS ON THIS SUBJECT? HI THERE. MY NAME IS DANA SMITH.

I LIVE IN 1661 WILLARD ROAD.

IT'S DOWNFIELD.

I DO HAVE SOME COMMENTS.

I'M KIND OF STAY AWAY FROM THE TRAFFIC PART OF IT BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S BEEN TOUCHED ON MOSTLY.

UM, MY HUSBAND AND I BOUGHT OUR HOUSE ON WILLARD ABOUT A YEAR AGO.

I GREW UP ON WILLARD MY WHOLE LIFE, SO ALMOST 30 YEARS.

MY PARENTS BUILT THAT HOUSE IN THE 90S.

THEY STILL LIVE THERE. UNFORTUNATELY, THEY COULDN'T MAKE IT, BUT WE PICKED THAT AREA FOR OUR CHILD THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING IN DECEMBER BECAUSE IT'S QUAINT, IT'S SMALL.

NO ONE REALLY KNOWS THAT IT'S DOWN THERE, AND I DON'T WANT THAT TO CHANGE.

UM, I JUST.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT ALL OF THE DEER, THE HORSES, PEOPLE.

THEY RIDE THEIR HORSES DOWN THE STREET.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

THERE'S A COLONY OF PEACOCKS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE SINCE I WAS BORN.

I DON'T KNOW WHO TAKES CARE OF THEM, BUT I DON'T WANT THEM TO SEE THEM HIT.

AND I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE, LIKE, HOMELESS PEOPLE OR ANYONE THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED UNWANTED THAT WILL COME DOWN THE STREET IF THERE'S A STARBUCKS OR RETAIL CENTER.

SORRY, I'M REALLY NERVOUS. I DON'T DO THIS.

UM, I GUESS I'M ALSO CONCERNED JUST ABOUT THE THE SCENERY BEING CHANGED RIGHT NOW.

IT'S BEEN. WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HAS BEEN EMPTY FOR A WHILE.

IT'S BEEN, I THINK, SOME KIND OF REALTY COMPANY IN THE PAST.

AND THEN IT WAS LIKE A CPA.

BUT THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING THERE NOW.

UM, ALSO, I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED.

THIS IS MAYBE I'M GOING TO GET YELLED AT, BUT I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED WHY COLE OLIVER IS REPRESENTING THE VERY FIRST TO THE FIRST LOT WHEN HE SAYS THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE DEVELOPING IT.

AND THEN ALSO HE'S REPRESENTING THESE FOUR LOTS.

I FEEL LIKE THERE'S SOME KIND OF CONNECTION THERE THAT IS PROBABLY NOT BEING SAID.

UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE HAVE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? DO YOU HAVE ANY. SIR, ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.

GENTLEMEN, FIRST, I'M STILL STEVE GRAY AT 3998 HILL ROAD.

I'M NOT GOING TO REPEAT MYSELF AGAIN ABOUT MY CONCERNS ABOUT THIS, BUT DON'T ANYBODY BE FOOLED THAT THIS IS NOT ALL TIED TOGETHER FOR STARBUCKS.

EVEN THE APPLICANT HAS MENTIONED STARBUCKS PROBABLY 15 TIMES.

SO PLEASE CONSIDER THAT MOST OF THIS ROOM IS AGAINST ANY OF THESE FOUR BECAUSE OF THAT, AND IT'S GOING TO RISK A LOT OF ACCIDENTS. SO PLEASE CONSIDER THAT.

AND THAT WAY I WON'T HAVE TO STAND UP ON EVERY ONE OF THESE AND REPEAT MYSELF.

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I UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT KEEP OUR OPINIONS, PLEASE, IN YOUR MIND THAT WE'RE AGAINST IT.

THANK YOU, SIR.

HOW ARE YOU DOING THIS NIGHT? MY NAME IS SAM ROIG.

I LIVE AT 3660 HEALD ROAD.

I'VE BEEN A BUSINESS OWNER IN THIS TOWN FOR 23 YEARS.

I'M NOT AGAINST BUSINESS, BUT I GREW UP AROUND BUSINESS.

THIS IS A SNAKE IN THE GRASS.

THEY'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING FROM THE COUNTY AND TRYING TO SLIP IT UNDER AND PALM BAY.

THAT'S WRONG.

I'M FROM CHICAGO. I'VE SEEN PEOPLE DO THIS ALL THE TIME.

THIS IS RIDICULOUS.

WE LIVE IN A NICE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE PAY HIGH TAXES TO LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

AMEN. AMEN.

ALL THESE PEOPLE HERE HAVE BEAUTIFUL HOMES, BIG RANCHES, HORSES.

AND YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD THIS MONSTROSITY IN THE CORNER.

IT'S RIDICULOUS.

WE WE CAN GET WE.

LET ALONE THE TRAFFIC.

THIS IS NOT GOING TO CREATE MADNESS.

WE TRY TO GET HOME FROM WORK.

WE CAN'T GET HOME.

WE TRY TO LEAVE FOR WORK.

WE CAN'T GET OUT.

RIGHT NOW, SUMMERTIME, WHEN SCHOOL IS IN, IT'S MORE HARD WHEN THE SCHOOL IS GOING BY.

HERE IS IS NUTS.

WE HAVE A WE HAVE A SCHOOL RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.

PEOPLE ARE DROPPING OFF THEIR KIDS IN THE MORNING.

THEN THEY BUILT. UH, APARTMENTS.

THIS IS THIS IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULDN'T BE CONSIDERED.

THAT'S THAT'S MY CONCERN.

THAT'S EVERYBODY'S HERE CONCERNED.

THIS SHOULD NOT HAPPEN.

THANK YOU FOR THE TIME.

THANK YOU.

MY NAME IS DEBBIE BUTTON.

3966 HEALD ROAD.

AND THIS WASN'T PLANNED, BUT THIS IS MY HEARTFELT PLEA.

THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON HEALD ROAD LOVE THEIR HOMES, THEIR PROPERTIES, AND THEY LOVE THE COMMUNITY.

WE BUILT OUR HOME IN 7678 ISH.

OUR CHILDREN WERE BABIES.

THE THE ROAD WAS DIRT WITH HORSES AND PEOPLE JOGGING AND PEOPLE WALKING THEIR DOGS.

VERY, VERY SAFE TO GET OUT.

AND WE STILL LOVE IT TODAY.

BUT IN THE MIDST OF ALL OF THESE YEARS, THERE'S BEEN APPROVAL AFTER APPROVAL OF THE BUSINESSES THAT NOW HAVE BIG TRUCKS THAT DRIVE DOWN.

AND LAST NIGHT WHEN WE WERE COMING HOME, THERE LOOKED LIKE THERE WAS A SEMI RIGHT BEHIND US AND THEY WERE RIGHT ON OUR TAIL.

AND WHEN WE DROVE IN OUR DRIVEWAY, I LOOKED TO SEE WHAT KIND OF A TRUCK IT WAS.

AND IT WAS A BIG OIL TANKER TRUCK THAT WAS GOING DOWN TO THE END OF HEALD, I THINK TO FILL THE GAS, THE GAS PUMPS FOR MAYBE THE NURSERY. AND I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, THIS THIS IS A COMMUNITY, THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL HOME COMMUNITY.

WE SHOULDN'T HAVE GAS TANKERS.

AND MY NEIGHBOR WHO RAN EVERY DAY FOR YEARS WAS KNOCKED UNCONSCIOUS ON THE HEALD.

HE RAN WITH HIS DOGS EVERY MORNING AND EVERY EVENING WAS KNOCKED UNCONSCIOUS BY ONE OF THE BIG LARGE MIRRORS ON THOSE BIG TRUCKS THAT NOW GO UP AND DOWN OUR RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY AND GOT KNOCKED.

OF COURSE, AN AMBULANCE CAME AND TOOK THEM OFF AND THANKFULLY HE'S FINE.

MY HUSBAND AND I WENT ACROSS TO PUBLIX ONE EVENING, SPUR OF THE MOMENT, AND BY THE TIME WE WENT IN PUBLIX AND CAME BACK HOME, THE THE POLICE LIGHTS WERE FLASHING.

AND AT THE END OF HEALD, I'M SURE YOU PROBABLY KNOW ABOUT IT.

AND WE WERE THERE.

THERE WAS A TWO BROTHERS TRAVELING ON THEIR MOTORCYCLES AND ONE WAS WAS LAYING IN THE ROAD COVERED AND HE HAD BEEN KILLED AND HIS OTHER BROTHER WAS ACROSS BANGING ON A TRUCK, SCREAMING, MY BROTHER, MY BROTHER.

AND WHENEVER WE GO TO THAT.

THAT STOPLIGHT AT THE END OF HEALD.

THAT PICTURE IS FOREVER ETCHED IN MY MIND OF THAT ACCIDENT.

AND THERE USED TO BE A MARKER THERE, A MEMORIAL MARKER.

IT MIGHT STILL BE THERE, BUT AND THAT WAS BEFORE THE APARTMENTS AND BEFORE THE STARBUCKS COULD POSSIBLY BE THERE.

SO IT IS AN ISSUE.

AND OUR COMMUNITY HAS JUST CHANGED SO MUCH.

AND I'M SURE EVERYBODY HERE FROM HEALD LOVES IT AS MUCH AS WE DO.

[01:45:05]

AND I'M SORT OF SURPRISED THAT THIS GENTLEMAN CAN GET UP AND SAY, YOU KNOW, HE HAS NO PROBLEM WITH CHANGING THE ZONING WHEN IT DOESN'T AFFECT HIM BECAUSE IT'S NOT HIS COMMUNITY.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THE PEOPLE OF HEALD ROAD MAYBE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THAT CHANCE TO SPEAK.

AND ONE MORE THING. MY DAUGHTER CALLED ME LAST WEEK AND SHE SAID, COULD YOU COME PICK UP MY MY GIRLS AND TAKE THEM TO SWIMMING LESSON.

SHE HAD JUST FALLEN DOWN THE STAIRS.

SHE'S FINE NOW, BUT SHE WAS LAYING AT THE BOTTOM AND SHE SAID, I CAN'T TAKE THEM.

AND I SAID, I'LL BE RIGHT OVER.

AND SO I SAID, WHAT CAN I GET YOU? SHE SAID, A STARBUCKS COFFEE.

SO I WENT TO THE ONE BY ALDI ON PALM BAY ROAD.

AND BECAUSE I WAS IN A HURRY, BECAUSE I GOT LAST MINUTE, YOU KNOW, COME GET MY GIRLS, GET THEM OVER TO THE SIDE ON TIME.

I COULDN'T STOP BECAUSE THE LINE IN THAT STARBUCKS WAS NOT ONLY AROUND THE STARBUCKS, BUT IT CAME OUT AND IT AND IT WRAPPED ALL THE WAY DOWN THROUGH THE ALDI'S PARKING LOT, WHICH IT ALWAYS DOES BECAUSE I GO TO THE DUNKIN DONUTS, WRAP IT UP.

OKAY, I WILL. BUT SO THAT'S JUST BASICALLY WHAT I WANTED TO SAY.

IT'S JUST A HEARTFELT PLEA.

THAT'S OUR HOME. IT'S OUR COMMUNITY.

WE LOVE IT. AND, YOU KNOW, TO SEE ONE MORE BUSINESS ESPECIALLY, THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT THAT TRAFFIC.

AND I WOULD SAY TO MR..

IS IT. COOPER NO, MA'AM.

THAT PLEASE, PLEASE FIND SOMEPLACE ELSE TO PUT YOUR STARBUCKS AND YOUR BUSINESSES.

THANK YOU. FILL OUT A CARD FOR US.

I WILL DO THAT. THANK YOU, LADY.

OVER HERE.

THEN I'VE GOT THIS DOWN TO THREE MINUTES.

I WANT TO HONOR WHAT YOU WHAT YOU REQUEST.

I'M 81, SO I'M GOING TO READ IT BECAUSE IT'S A BETTER CHANCE OF IT BEING THREE MINUTES.

MY NAME IS SANDRA REID AND I LIVE AT 1611 AMOS ROAD NORTHWEST.

THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO OUR CONCERN FOR THE SAFETY, BECAUSE THAT IS MY ISSUE, THE SAFETY OF WHERE WE ARE 43 YEARS AGO WHEN WE BUILT OUR HOME.

THERE WERE LESS THAN A DOZEN HOMES IN PALM BAY THAT ACCESSED BY HEALED ROAD.

OF COURSE, IT'S VERY DIFFERENT NOW.

WE'RE UP INTO THE HUNDREDS.

I'M SURE YOU'VE HEARD THE OLD ADAGE, PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS.

WELL, I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT IT'S AN UNUSUAL SITUATION FOR US BECAUSE WE DID EXACTLY THAT WHEN WE MOVED TO HEALD ROAD.

IT WAS A DIRT ROAD LIKE A WASHBOARD.

IT WAS SO DANGEROUS THAT THE PALM BAY FIRE DEPARTMENT INFORMED US THEY WOULD NOT SEND OUT THEIR LARGE TRUCKS TO MEET OUR NEEDS UNTIL THEY FIRST SENT OUT THEIR LITTLE PICKUP TRUCK TO MAKE SURE THAT IT TRULY WAS A FIRE BECAUSE OUR ROAD WAS IN SUCH TERRIBLE CONDITION THAT IT WOULD PUT THEIR EQUIPMENT OUT OF CALIBRATION.

WELL, YOU CAN IMAGINE OUR CONCERN.

MY GOODNESS, HERE WE ARE.

BECAUSE THEN IT WAS MOSTLY FOREST AND A LOT OF TREES.

SO WE BEGGED THE CITY.

WE SAID, PLEASE PAY IT, PAY, PLEASE PAVE IT.

IT'S FOR OUR SECURITY.

IT'S FOR EVERYONE'S SECURITY.

AND THEY SAID, OKAY, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO PAY FOR IT.

AND WE SAID, OKAY, WE'RE WE'RE THAT KIND OF PEOPLE.

WE CARE ABOUT OTHERS.

IN FACT, THE REASON YOU SEE THE SAFETY ORANGE RIBBONS IS WE WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT IS ONE OF OUR BIGGEST CONCERNS IS THE SAFETY.

THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON HEALD ROAD THAT THEIR HOMES DON'T EVEN TOUCH, HEALD ROAD.

AND THEIR ASSESSMENT WAS $20,000.

SOME WERE EVEN MORE THAN THAT.

SOME OF THE PEOPLE HAD TO GO BACK TO WORK TO ASSURE THAT THEY COULD PAY FOR THE ASSESSMENT OF HEALD ROAD.

BUT THAT'S HOW IMPORTANT IT WAS THAT IT BE SAFE AND THE HEEL PORTION OF PALM BAY ROAD I'VE HEALD THE PALM BAY PORTION OF HEALD ROAD HAS A BEAUTIFUL SWALE.

IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY, WE CAN EASILY PULL OFF THE EDGE.

WE CAN GET OUT OF ANYBODY'S WAY.

BUT YOU GO TO THE COUNTY SECTION OF HEALD ROAD.

IT'S A DEEP DITCH ON EACH SIDE.

THERE IS NO SHOULDER WHATSOEVER.

WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE THE WHAT THIS IS GOING TO DO.

WE HAVE PAID TO LIVE.

AND AND, YOU KNOW, I WON'T SAY WE HAPPILY PAID, BUT WE DIDN'T CAUSE A FUSS ABOUT IT.

WE HAVE PAID TO LIVE IN AN AREA THAT IS SAFE.

AND NOW THEN WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN AT THE END OF OUR STREET WILL BE ANYTHING BUT SAFE TO CHANGE THE ZONING ON THAT CORNER OF HEALD. AND MINTON HAS A DIRECT EFFECT TO THE SAFETY OF ALL OF OUR HOMES.

THE CORNER OF MINTON AND HEALD IS ON THE COUNTY AND IS ALREADY CONGESTED.

AT TIMES IT TAKES WAITING THREE CHANGES OF LIGHTS JUST TO BE ABLE TO GET OFF AND ON.

THE PORTION OF HEALD ROAD THAT IS IN PALM BAY HAS A VERY WIDE SAFE SHOULDER.

[01:50:01]

I'M SORRY. I MANAGED TO REMEMBER IT AT 81.

SOMETIMES IT COMES AND SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T.

AND SHE'S ALREADY MENTIONED THAT ONE OF OUR FRIENDS WAS DEEPLY WAS SEVERELY HURT WHEN HE WAS JOGGING DOWN THE ROAD.

BUT TO ALLOW A BUSINESS WITH SUCH VOLUME TRAFFIC, SUCH AS A STARBUCKS, IF IT WERE ANOTHER BUSINESS THAT THAT WASN'T SUCH A VOLUME OF SO MUCH TRAFFIC, THAT IS OUR CONCERN.

THAT'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT.

IT WILL AFFECT ALL THE TRAFFIC TRAVELING NORTH AND SOUTH.

ON MINTON IT WILL AFFECT ALL TRYING TO ENTER OR LEAVE HEALD ROAD.

IT HAS THE POTENTIAL OF CAUSING LIMITED ACCESS FOR ALL EMERGENCY VEHICLES, WHETHER THEY'RE COMING OR GOING.

I WANT YOU TO KNOW I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

I APPRECIATE YOUR RESPONSIBILITY THAT YOU HAVE ACCEPTED TO TRY TO GUIDE THE FUTURE OF THIS CITY.

AND WE DO CARE ABOUT YOU.

BUT WE WOULD ASK AND WE PRAY THAT THE SAFETY OF THIS ISSUE PROJECT AND THIS PROJECT THAT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO FIND A DIFFERENT SOLUTION BEFORE A LIFE IS LOST. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? HI, EVERYBODY. MY NAME IS MICHELLE BRUMMEL.

I LIVE AT 3900 POWELL ROAD, NORTHWEST PALM BAY.

WE'RE OFF OF HEALD ROAD AND I COULD ADDRESS ALL THE STUFF THAT EVERYBODY HAS ALREADY SAID.

BUT I'M JUST GOING TO ASK ALL OF Y'ALL IF YOU'VE BEEN TO LOS ANGELES AND YOU'VE BEEN THE 405 FREEWAY, SIX LANES STOPPED DURING TRAFFIC.

THAT'S THE WAY HEALED ROAD IS.

IT'S JUST STOPPED. IT'S ONLY ONE LANE.

ONE LANE. AND DURING THOSE HOURS AND SOMETIMES EVEN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY, IT'LL BE 3 OR 4 STOPLIGHTS THAT WE CAN'T GET THROUGH.

BUT BESIDES THAT, WHAT PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE U-TURN.

I'M ONE OF THOSE SPITEFUL ONES.

SO WHEN PEOPLE WERE GOING.

NORTH ON MINTON AND THEY WANT TO HANG A U AND I'M COMING OUT OF HEALD ROAD.

I PULL IN FRONT OF THEM AND DON'T LET THEM TURN.

AND IT HASN'T GOTTEN NASTY.

WELL, IT HASN'T GOTTEN TO NASTY YET, BUT I'M ONE OF THOSE.

HANG ON YOU WHEN I'M TURNING RIGHT.

AND IF YOU WANT TO MAKE MONEY, IF YOU WANT REVENUE, HAVE A COP THERE, HAVE THEM.

YOU'LL GET ALL KINDS OF MONEY FROM FROM THE FINES THAT THEY'RE GOING FOR FOR HANGING THAT YOU THERE ALSO WE ALSO LOVE THAT THE THE STORY ABOUT THE ENDANGERED SPECIES BESIDES HAVING THE DEER WHICH WE HAVE LIKE A FAMILY OF 12, WE HAVE TWO HUGE COMMUNITIES OF PEACOCKS, WHICH I HAVE CALLED THE SHERIFF ON A COUPLE OF TIMES BECAUSE WE HAVE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE THERE THAT WANT TO RUN THEM OVER BECAUSE PEACOCKS, IF YOU KNOW THEM, THEY'LL PECK AT YOUR RIMS ON YOUR CAR. ANYWAY.

SO I'VE HAD THE SHERIFFS OUT THERE ABOUT THE PEACOCKS.

WE HAVE THE INDIGO SNAKES ENDANGERED.

WE HAVE WOODPECKERS ENDANGERED.

WE HAVE THE SCRUB JAY ENDANGERED.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT REALLY COMES TO PLAY HERE, BUT JUST FOR Y'ALL'S RECORD THAT YES, WE DO HAVE THOSE THAT LIVE THERE.

I'VE GOT ALL THESE THINGS, BUT I KEPT SCRIBBLING THEM OUT BECAUSE YOU GUYS WERE TALKING ABOUT IT ALREADY.

THE DANGER, I THOUGHT, WAS A WONDERFUL POINT, THAT IF IN THE CASE OF AN EMERGENCY, WE HAVE TWO NURSERIES THERE, ONE OF THOSE NURSERIES, THEY'RE GREAT NEIGHBORS. THE OTHER ONE PROBABLY IS, TOO.

BUT THEY HAVE THESE HUGE SEMIS.

AND WHEN WE'VE GOT THOSE SEMIS GOING DOWN THOSE ROADS, WE CANNOT GET THROUGH BECAUSE THEM TO EVEN GET GOING BECAUSE THEY HAVE ALL THAT WEIGHT.

IT TAKES THEM FOREVER TO EVEN MOVE UP SEVEN FEET SO THAT, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER PROBLEM.

AND GOD FORBID ANYBODY WANTS TO TRY TO GET INTO STARBUCKS WITH ONE OF THOSE GUYS STOPPING THEM.

UM, WHAT ELSE? ALDI THAT WAS CITED ALREADY.

DON'T TRY TO GO THROUGH ALDI ON PALM BAY ROAD.

YOU CAN'T. CAN'T GET THROUGH THAT PARKING LOT.

UM. AND I GUESS I'M ONE THAT BELIEVES IN SOLUTIONS.

AND THE ONLY SOLUTION I SAW HERE, IF THIS IS GOING TO BE A THING WHERE.

POPULARITY. IT'S ABOUT THE MONEY.

IT'S ALWAYS ABOUT THE MONEY.

BUT IF THERE'S A SOLUTION AT ALL.

I THOUGHT THAT POSSIBLY.

TIME'S UP, MA'AM. CAN YOU WRAP IT UP? EXCUSE ME. YOUR TIME IS UP.

OKAY. SOLUTION WOULD BE TO GO THROUGH THOSE PROPERTIES AND GO INTO THAT PLAZA THAT'S BEHIND LONG DAGGERS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MA'AM.

HI, CHRISTINE.

CHRISTINE STEVENS, 1561 WILLARD ROAD.

I'VE BEEN A PALM BAY RESIDENT FOR ABOUT 35 YEARS.

PALM BAY PROUD ALL THE WAY, EVERYBODY.

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IT WAS GREAT. I LOVED IT.

IT WAS VERY QUIET, PEACEFUL, AND DEVELOPMENT HAPPENED, WHICH IS FINE.

I MOVED. I BOUGHT A HALF ACRE LOT IN ANOTHER AREA OF PALM BAY THAT QUICKLY BECAME OVERGROWN.

THE TRAFFIC WAS SO BAD ON MY STREET AND SO MANY PEOPLE CUTTING THROUGH OFF OF PACE THAT MY TEN YEAR OLD, WELL, NOT TEN ANYMORE.

UP UNTIL HE WAS ABOUT TEN YEARS OLD, MY SON COULDN'T EVEN GO OUTSIDE BY HIMSELF BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC WAS SO FAST.

SO ALL GROWING UP, I WOULD DRIVE BY YIELD AND SAY, THAT'S WHERE I WANT TO LIVE.

WAY OUT THERE WHERE NOBODY GOES DEAD END ROAD.

AND WHEN IT CAME TIME TO EXPAND, I LOOKED AT MALABAR, I LOOKED AT WHATEVER WAY DOWN BABCOCK, YOU KNOW, THE HORSE AREA DOWN THERE, AND I CHOSE HEALD, BUT THERE WAS NOTHING AVAILABLE.

I ACTUALLY BOUGHT A 26 ACRE PROPERTY ON GARNER AND STOPPED THE DEVELOPMENT OF ANOTHER BIG HOME BUILDER FROM HOLIDAY SO THAT I COULD BUILD MY DREAM HOME THERE.

MY BOYFRIEND AND I, WE'VE LIVED TOGETHER FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS AND WHEN DAYS BEFORE WE CLOSED ON THAT, WE FOUND A HOUSE RIGHT OFF OF HEALD ON WILLARD.

THAT WAS TWO AND A HALF ACRES THAT MET ALL OF OUR NEEDS AND OUR FAMILY'S NEEDS, AND WE BOUGHT IT.

I LITERALLY CASHED IN MY LIFE AND HE CASHED IN HIS LIFE FOR THAT PIECE OF HEAVEN THAT WE ALWAYS WANTED.

NOW WE LOOK AT THIS, AND I DIDN'T GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT FIRST PARCEL AND YOU SAID, OH, IT REALLY WOULDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING.

I'VE SHOPPED AT THAT STORE.

I'M A BUSINESS OWNER MYSELF.

I SHOPPED AT THAT TRAILER PLACE.

AND WHAT WOULD THEY NEED CITY WATER FOR? AND SEWER. IT'S ONE BATHROOM, ONE SINK, ONE LITTLE BUILDING.

I UNDERSTAND IT ACTUALLY IS CHEAPER FOR US TO HAVE CITY WATER AND SEWER.

WE CHOOSE NOT TO.

I UNDERSTAND THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE TRAFFIC ON THE LITTLE TWO LANE ROAD.

I WILL GLADLY WAIT BEHIND A GARBAGE TRUCK EVERY DAY THAT'S TAKING UP A ROADWAY FOR MY PIECE OF PRIVACY, FOR MY PIECE OF HEAVEN, AND FOR TO PRESERVE WHAT'S OUT THERE.

LIKE THEY SAID, THE DEERS.

WE WALK OUR DOGS LATE AT NIGHT.

WE'VE GOTTEN TO THE POINT. NOW THE CLOSER WE GET TO MINTON, I'VE ALMOST BEEN HIT BY A CAR SEVERAL TIMES.

GETTING MY SON TO SCHOOL IS MORE AND MORE OF A HEADACHE AS TIME GOES ON.

BUT AGAIN, I'LL GLADLY ACCEPT THAT I LOVE WHERE I LIVE.

AGAIN, I LITERALLY CASHED IN EVERYTHING TO BE THERE AND TO HAVE THIS WHAT SAM REFERRED TO AS A MONSTROSITY AT THE ENTRANCE TO GET HOME.

YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF A LONG DAY, I WANT TO GO HOME WHEN I CAN'T GET THERE OR I CAN'T GET OUT.

WE'VE HAD THE AMBULANCE AT MY HOUSE TWICE.

LUCKILY, THEY WERE ABLE TO GET IN AND SAVE MY BOYFRIEND'S LIFE.

I'M NOT SURE THAT COULD HAPPEN AGAIN IF THIS GOES ON.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS MICHELLE SMITH.

I LIVE AT 4296 HEALD ROAD IN PALM BAY.

MY FAMILY HAS LIVED AT THAT RESIDENCE FOR CLOSE TO 30 YEARS.

I AM, OF COURSE, SPEAKING IN OPPOSITION TO THIS PROPOSAL.

I AGREE WITH THE CONCERNS MY NEIGHBORS HAVE ALREADY EXPRESSED.

ANOTHER MAJOR CONCERN THAT'S BEEN MENTIONED BUT I WANT TO EXPAND ON A LITTLE BIT IS TIMELY ACCESS TO EMERGENCY SERVICES IN THE HEALD ROAD AREA LIKE AMBULANCE AND FIRE.

AS NOTED, THERE'S ALREADY TRAFFIC CONGESTION CONGESTION AT THE INTERSECTION OF MINTON AND HEALD.

ALLOWING COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC ACCESS TO HEALD ROAD WILL CAUSE SIGNIFICANT BACKUPS IN MULTIPLE AREAS, BOTH ON HEALD AND ON MINTON.

THAT INTERSECTION IS THE ONLY ENTRY POINT FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES FOR THE HEALD ROAD COMMUNITY OF ROUGHLY 750 ACRES AND OVER 250 HOMES.

THAT IS THE SINGLE ACCESS POINT FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES.

IF YOU BLOCK IT WITH COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC.

THAT'S GOING TO BE.

EXTREMELY PROBLEMATIC FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THIS AREA.

IF SOMEONE IS HAVING A MEDICAL EMERGENCY, SECONDS MATTER IN TERMS OF AN AMBULANCE GETTING TO THEM AND BEING ABLE TO TRANSPORT THEM.

THEY CANNOT WAIT IN TRAFFIC.

THAT HAS NOWHERE TO GO.

THERE ARE NO FIRE HYDRANTS IN THAT ENTIRE COMMUNITY OF 750 ACRES AND OVER 250 HOMES.

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IF THERE IS A FIRE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS TO BRING TANKER TRUCKS FILLED WITH WATER IN ORDER TO FIGHT THE FIRE.

IF A FIRE BREAKS OUT, IT SPREADS VERY QUICKLY.

OVER THE YEARS, THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE FIRES IN THIS AREA.

AND I CAN TELL YOU FROM EXPERIENCE, THEY'RE VERY SCARY.

THEY BLOW UP VERY QUICKLY.

OVER 20 YEARS AGO, THE NINE ACRE PARCEL NEXT TO ME CAUGHT ON FIRE.

WITHIN MINUTES, THERE WERE FLAMES 15 TO 20FT HIGH, SHOOTING OUT OF THE TOP OF MATURE TREES.

THERE WERE EMBERS FALLING ON MY ROOF IN MY YARD.

I GRABBED MY PETS.

I GRABBED MY INFANT SON, AND WE PACK THE CAR BECAUSE WE DIDN'T THINK WE'D HAVE A HOME.

NOW, THANKFULLY, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS ABLE TO GO AND CONTAIN THE FIRE AND GET IT UNDER CONTROL AND NO HOMES WERE LOST.

BUT A LOT OF THAT ACREAGE WAS BURNED.

THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER FIRES SINCE THEN THAT HAVE OCCURRED THAT HAVE ACTUALLY BLOCKED THE ROAD FROM PEOPLE LEAVING AND ENTERING THE ROAD BECAUSE THE FIRE BLEW UP SO QUICKLY.

THANK YOU. YOUR TIME IS UP.

OKAY. I HAVE JUST ONE MORE COMMENT.

IF THOSE TANKER TRUCKS ARE DELAYED FROM GETTING INTO THE AREA AND LEAVING TO REFILL, THAT COULD VERY WELL BE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A CATASTROPHIC LOSS OF PROPERTY AND POTENTIALLY LIFE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD VERSUS BEING ABLE TO CONTAIN THE FIRE.

I DON'T THINK THAT ANY OF YOU WOULD EVER WANT TO PUT YOUR FAMILIES OR HOMES IN THAT KIND OF JEOPARDY.

SO PLEASE, PLEASE DON'T DO IT TO THE RESIDENTS OF OUR AREA.

PLEASE VOTE NO ON THIS PROPOSED MEASURE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

HERE. BERMUDEZ, 1582, BAY MARE LANE, MADAM CHAIR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

I'VE NOT HEARD IT MADE MENTION YET OTHER THAN THE TRAFFIC BEING STRESSED.

BUT I THINK MR. OLIVER WOULD PROBABLY HAVE A LITTLE BIT BETTER, MORE RESPONSE OR LESS RESISTANCE IF HE HAD MADE THE OPTIONS AVAILABLE OF HAVING THE ACCESS TO MINTON ROAD AND PERHAPS THE AND OR THE WALGREENS HILL ROAD IS A RESIDENTIAL A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

WHAT MR. OLIVER IS PROPOSING IS COMMERCIAL.

WHAT IS ADJACENT CONNECTED IS COMMERCIAL.

SO I WOULD SAY TO MR. OLIVER, LET'S KEEP THE COMMERCIAL AND TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, LET'S SEE, LET'S KEEP THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES PAIRED TOGETHER AND LET'S LEAVE THE RESIDENTIAL AREA OF HILL ROAD, LEAVE IT RESIDENTIAL, AND KEEP THE COMMERCIAL COMMERCIAL AWAY.

SO I WOULD SAY KEEP IF HE'S GOING TO HAVE A STARBUCKS, KEEP THAT SEALED BECAUSE IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER WHAT TYPE OF TRAFFIC ENGINEERING IS PROPOSED.

WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE'S PROBLEMS ON PALM BAY ROAD AND MINTON ROAD, AND IT'S JUST EXASPERATED JUST NORTH OF IT DURING THE RUSH HOUR TIMES.

EVEN IF WHAT'S PROPOSED ADDING AN EXTRA LANE WOULD NOT HELP CARS CONSTANTLY COME UP AND THEY MAKE THE U-TURNS AND SO FORTH.

SO THAT WOULD JUST EXACERBATE A PROBLEM.

I THINK THE BETTER OPTION WOULD BE TO KEEP THE COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL, HAVE THE ACCESS ON MINTON ROAD AND WHERE THE WALGREENS SHOPPING CENTER KEEP EVERYTHING COMMERCIAL PAIRED TOGETHER.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

IF YOU HAVEN'T FILLED OUT A COMMENT CARD, PLEASE DO SO.

THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? SIR, YOU GO AHEAD.

I JUST HAVE ONE QUICK THING.

IF IT'S ALREADY NOW, HOW MUCH IS IT GOING TO BE WITH THAT CONSTRUCTION GOING ON? RON THOMPSON 409 FIVE HILL ROAD.

WELL, EARLIER Y'ALL SAID Y'ALL COULDN'T CONSIDER TRAFFIC.

WELL, I BELIEVE YOU CAN. NOW, I HOPE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT MOSTLY ABOUT.

IT'S THE TRAFFIC AND THE SAFETY AND THE TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT OF THE STAFF REPORT.

IT STATES THE OBJECTIVE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT ARE TO PROVIDE A SAFE, BALANCED, EFFICIENT TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM THAT ADEQUATELY, ADEQUATELY SERVES THE NEEDS OF ALL RESIDENTS AND VISITORS OF PALM BAY.

YOU CAN SEE HOW MANY RESIDENTS ARE HERE PARTIALLY, AND OUR NEEDS ARE NOT BEING SERVED EXISTING SERVES.

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WE ARE UNDULY PENALIZED FOR THE TRAFFIC THAT SERVES ALL OF PALM BAY PART OF MELBOURNE, PART OF INTERSTATE 95.

SO WE'RE BEING UNDULY HAMPERED BY THE SYSTEM AND WE ANNEXATION.

WHERE IS IT GOING TO STOP? YOU'RE NOW PROPOSING TO ANNEX 1 OR 2 RESIDENTS.

WELL, WHAT ABOUT NEXT WEEK WHEN THE NEXT GUY, MIKE, DECIDES TO SELL HIS OUT BECAUSE HE CAN'T STAND TO BE AROUND STARBUCKS AND ALL THE TRAFFIC THERE? SO HE WANTS TO SELL TO SOMEONE ELSE WISHING TO GO COMMERCIAL.

WELL, IT'S ALREADY SURVIVED.

ANOTHER PART IS THE APPLICANT STATES THE JURISDICTION FOR THE CHANGE IS THE PROPOSED ZONING CLASSIFICATION WILL MEET THE NEEDS OF FUTURE VISION OF THE PROPERTY.

WHO IS TO SAY WHAT THE FUTURE VISION IS? IT'S NOT MINE.

WHEN PERTAINING TO THE REZONING OF LAND, THE EFFECT OF THE CHANGE, IF ANY, ON THE PARTICULAR PROPERTY AND THE SURROUNDING AREA.

HAVE YOU ALL CONSIDERED TRAFFIC? THAT IS AN EFFECT OF THE PEOPLE, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.

A LITTLE BIT FARTHER DOWN IN THE IN THE STAFF REPORT, THE DESIGNATION OF THE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA.

IT IS AND THE ALREADY ESTABLISHED COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY AND IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S DESIRE AND PLAN FOR THE EXPANSION OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

I DIDN'T KNOW THE CITY'S HAD A PLAN OF ITS OWN.

WHO IS THE CITY? THE CITY IS NOT ME.

I DON'T THINK THE CITY IS THE REPRESENTATIVE HERE TONIGHT OF THOSE PEOPLE.

SO WHERE ARE THESE BEING CONSIDERED IF WE HAVE TO STOP IT? AND IN ADDITION TO THIS, THE SITE PLAN THAT I SAW HERE, THERE IS NO SIDEWALK PROPOSED FOR HILL HILL ROAD SECTION WHERE THIS HAS BEEN DONE.

THEY'RE PROPOSING AN ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC LANE, BUT THEY PUT AN ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC LANE.

THERE IS NO ROOM FOR A SIDEWALK AND I THINK MOST PROPERTIES ARE THERE.

DEVELOP TODAY, REQUIRE A SIDEWALK THE LENGTH OF THEIR PROPERTY FRONT AND SIDE.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER CONSIDERATION.

I THINK THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED VERY CAREFULLY BECAUSE IT IS VERY HARD FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE WALKING OR THE LADY OF THE DAY I SAW COME OVER FROM THE APARTMENT WITH A STROLLER AND HER BABY AND I SAID, YOU BETTER BE CAREFUL BECAUSE YOU MAY GET RUN OVER AT THIS INTERSECTION.

SO I WON'T BE COMING THIS WAY NO MORE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR.

ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? YES, PLEASE.

REED EVANS 1610.

WILLARD ROAD.

PALM BAY. YEAH.

YOUR PROPOSAL WILL PROBABLY MOVE FORWARD BASED ON IMPACTS TO THE TRAFFIC AND STUFF, AND YOU CAN SEE THE SENTIMENT OF EVERYBODY HERE, HOW MUCH WE LOVE OUR AREA OUT THERE.

YOU GUYS WON'T VOTE ON THAT, BUT HEALD IS A TWO LANE ROAD GOING INTO A FOUR LANE ROAD FACING A SCHOOL OR I MEAN A PUBLIC SHOPPING CENTER, A NEW APARTMENT COMPLEX.

AND WE'RE PROPOSING ANOTHER SMALL RESIDENTIAL OR A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THERE WITH A STARBUCKS AND A COUPLE OTHER BUILDINGS.

I HEARD SOMEBODY ELSE TALK ABOUT THE STARBUCKS ON PALM BAY ROAD AS A ZONING THING TO LOOK AT THAT YOU REALLY SHOULD BECAUSE IT OVERFLOWS OUT INTO THE PARKING LOT OF ALL THESE SHUTS THAT DOWN IN THE MORNING, EVENING AND LUNCH.

HILL ROAD.

YOU HEARD IT SEVERAL TIMES BUT WOULD BE SHUT DOWN FROM THE RED LIGHT ON MINTON TO THE END OF HEALD ROAD, WHICH IS A DEAD END.

SO IF YOU GO FORWARD WITH THIS PROPERTY, THE GENTLEMAN SAYS WE CURRENTLY HAVE THREE ENTRANCES TO THIS PROPERTY. THESE WERE THREE HOUSES, THREE RESIDENTS THAT ARE THERE.

NOW. HE'S GOING TO TURN IT INTO A STARBUCKS AND HE MAY END UP WITH TWO, WAS WHAT I THINK HE SAID THAT THAT JUST THAT AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC WOULD SHUT DOWN HILL THREE QUARTERS OF THE WAY.

SO WITH THAT SAID, YOU GUYS CAN YOU CAN PROPOSE ON ZONING, THE ZONING, THE IMPACT AND SEVERAL PEOPLE HAVE SAID THERE'S DEATHS AT THE CORNER OF EMERSON AND MINTON ROAD NOW THERE WILL BE MORE DEATHS CAUSED AT THIS INTERSECTION YOU'RE FIXING TO HELP CREATE IF YOU DON'T DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

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AND I JUST WANT TO START BY SAYING I SERVED MY COUNTRY AS A US MARINE.

I WORKED REALLY? THANK YOU.

I WORK RELIEF AND RESCUE AT THE WORLD TRADE CENTER, WHICH I WAS INJURED AND DISCHARGED.

OF TAKING OUT NUMEROUS DEAD BODIES FROM THE BUILDING.

AND I COULD ATTEST THAT EVERY SECOND COUNTS WHEN IT COMES TO AN EMERGENCY.

ALL RIGHT. AND, YOU KNOW, MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THAT SAFETY THAT WE ENDURE TO COME DOWN HEALD ROAD FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLE.

I COULD ALSO ATTEST THAT ON AUGUST IN 2022, I HAD A TREE FALL ON ME AND I HAVE A BIG SCAR TO PROVE IT.

I'M ON. I HAVE A PLATE AND EIGHT SCREWS HERE.

IF IT WASN'T BECAUSE EMERGENCY VEHICLES CAME DOWN IN TIME AND SAVED MY LIFE, YOU KNOW I MAY NOT BE HERE TODAY.

UM, SO THE BIGGEST CONCERN IS, YOU KNOW, I CAME FROM A QUARTER ACRE LOT THAT I BOUGHT.

WHEN I GOT DISCHARGED OUT OF THE MILITARY.

I CAME TO PALM BAY.

I WAS IN A QUARTER ACRE LOT AND IT WAS VERY CONGESTED, VERY CONGESTED AREA.

BUT THAT'S ALL I COULD AFFORD AT THE TIME.

AND PEOPLE TELL ME, WELL, IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, MOVE OUT.

SO I DID MY HOMEWORK.

I DID MY RESEARCH.

I CHECKED FOR THE AREAS, I CHECKED FOR ZONING.

I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WAS IN AN AREA THAT WASN'T GOING TO GET CONGESTED, THAT WASN'T GOING TO BE OVERLY POPULATED, THAT THEY WEREN'T GOING TO BUILD MULTIFAMILY HOMES AND APARTMENT COMPLEXES.

AND THAT'S WHERE WE DECIDED TO GO AND PURCHASE OVER OUR WILLARD ROAD WHEN AT OUR FIRST AVAILABLE OPPORTUNITY.

UM, SO WITH THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF IT IS OUR SAFETY CONCERN.

A LOT OF IT IS THE CONGESTION.

UM, AND ALSO WANTED TO BRING UP THE FACT THAT YOU KNOW.

THE AMOUNT OF CONGESTION THAT IT WILL CREATE.

IT WOULD ALSO CREATE A LOT OF ROAD RAGE THAT I WOULD HATE TO SEE HALF OF OUR COMMUNITY ARRESTED BECAUSE AS YOU'RE AWARE, FLORIDA HAS PASSED THE LAW TO BE ABLE TO CONCEAL WITHOUT A PERMIT. AND I WOULD HATE TO SEE THAT TRAGEDY COME ON TO OUR AREA THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, REALLY GROWN TO LOVE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? YOU. BEDTIME. THANK YOU.

HI, JONATHAN. MAC 1590 STUDLEY DRIVE.

PALM BAY. HELLO.

GOOD. ALL RIGHT.

A LOT OF GOOD THINGS WERE SAID THERE.

I WANT TO POINT OUT SOMETHING THAT I DOWNLOADED ONLINE.

I ASSUME THIS IS FROM STAFF THAT CALLS THIS AREA UNIQUELY SUITABLE FOR SUCH REZONING.

YOU HEAR FROM EVERYBODY HERE, THIS IS NOT SUITABLE.

THERE WAS NO CONSIDERATION FOR INGRESS AND EGRESS OFF OF THIS PROPERTY, SOMETHING THAT HASN'T EVEN BEEN MENTIONED.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC.

IT'S THAT TOP PART OF THE YELLOW BOXES WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE COMING OUT.

THERE'S GOING TO BE TRAFFIC IN THE MORNING TRYING TO GO TO WORK.

SO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT. THAT'S GOING TO BACK UP TRAFFIC IN THE FACILITY.

THERE'S GOING TO BE PEOPLE TURNING ONTO PALM BAY ROAD BECAUSE THEY CAN'T MAKE THE U.

TURN TO GET INTO THESE SO CALLED MINTON ROAD ENTRANCES.

SO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT FOR THERE TO BE AN OPENING.

YOU KNOW THAT THAT SECTION OF HEALD ROAD IS GOING TO BE DOUBLE LANED AT ONE POINT.

SO NOW THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CROSS AGAINST TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC, ABOUT 100, 200, 300FT FROM THAT ALREADY OVERWORKED OVER USED INTERSECTION.

SO THAT STATEMENT IS REALLY PUT IN THERE WITHOUT ANY FORETHOUGHT.

RIGHT NOW, THE CITY IS PUMPING THIS UP INTO THE LITTLE CORNER THAT THE CITY HAS NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR, THE INFRASTRUCTURE, FOR THE ROADS.

AGAIN, JUST DUMPING TRAFFIC, ALLOWING IT TO BE COMMERCIAL AND JUST DUMPING IT INTO A RESIDENTIAL INTO THE COUNTY AND THEN SAY YOU TAKE CARE OF IT.

SO, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, COINCIDENTALLY, I WENT, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M ALLOWED TO SHOW PHOTOS, GIVE YOU PHOTOS THAT THAT STARBUCKS THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT JUST HAPPENED TO GO TO OFFICE DEPOT TO GET SOME INK AND SEE THEM.

THE CAR IS BACKED UP INTO THE PARKING LOT TO GET OUT OF THE PARKING LOT.

I HAD TO GO THE WRONG WAY IN THE PARKING LOT.

ONCOMING TRAFFIC HAD TO WAIT FOR ME.

CARS EXITING FROM OTHER BUSINESSES ALMOST HIT ME BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT LOOKING IN THE OTHER LANE.

WAS IT ILLEGAL? I DON'T KNOW.

IT'S IN A PARKING LOT. BUT THE POINT IS, WE ARE BRINGING THIS HERE.

WE HAVEN'T EVEN TALKED ABOUT DELIVERY VEHICLES, DELIVERY VEHICLES FOR THIS BUSINESS.

AND THE OTHER TWO THAT THEY WON'T TELL US WHAT THEY ARE.

THOSE BUSINESSES ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GET SUPPLIES.

THOSE TRUCKS ARE GOING TO COME OFF OF 95 DOWN PALM BAY ROAD, GOING TO MAKE A RIGHT NORTH ON MINTON, HAVE TO GO ON TO HEALD AND HAVE TO USE THIS ACCESS PROBABLY

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SO THIS ENTIRE PROPOSAL IS NOT SUITABLE FOR THIS AREA.

THE USE OF HEALD ROAD, JUST ASSUMING THAT IT'S OKAY, IS IS REALLY WITHOUT ANY THOUGHT.

AND I'M ASSUMING THAT THE ONLY REASON IT WAS PUT ON THERE IS BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT NOBODY WOULD CARE.

SO YOU CAN SEE PEOPLE.

TIME'S UP, SIR. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. PEOPLE DO CARE.

ALL RIGHT. I'LL WAIT FOR THE NEXT ONE.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR.

JOHN CONNELLY HILL ROAD.

YOUR COUNCIL SAID THIS WAS FOR EVERY LOT OR SEPARATE LOTS.

SO MY QUESTION IS, HAVE YOU ALL SEEN THIS DEVELOPMENT OR.

I HAVE NEVER SEEN A PLAN SAYING THERE'S AN EXIT OR AN ENTRANCE ON HEALD OR OR ANYWHERE ELSE.

SO I WOULD WANT TO KNOW, DOES ANYBODY SEE THIS DEVELOPMENT? AND HAS THE CITY OF PALM BAY BEEN APPROACHED BY THE DEVELOPMENT IN THEIR ZONING OVER HERE BY THIS DEVELOPER TO SHOW THEM AROUND TRANSITION OF WHAT THEY WANT TO DO? BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING YOU WANT TO DO ONE PROPERTY.

BUT WE'VE ALREADY SEEN WE'VE GONE FROM ONE PROPERTY TO ANOTHER PROPERTY.

SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN I THINK YOU ALL NEED TO HAVE IT IN YOUR HEAD WHAT THE GROWTH IS, HOW FAR WE'RE GOING TO GO OUT WITH THIS THING.

WHAT'S THE IMPACT OF ALL THESE LOTS, NOT JUST ONE LOT ON HILL ROAD, THE WHOLE ENVIRONMENT.

SO IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN WHAT HE'S PROPOSED AND WE HAVEN'T SEEN WHAT'S BEEN PROPOSED, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN MAKE A GOOD JUDGMENT.

AND EACH LOT IF IT'S GOING TO BE COMBINED AND IF AND IF A PLANNER HAS BEEN APPROACHED.

AND YOU ALL NEED TO KNOW THAT THE PLAN HAS BEEN APPROACHED BY HIM FOR WHAT HE WANTS TO DEVELOP.

THEY DON'T. THEY SPENT A LOT OF MONEY PUTTING THIS TOGETHER TO SELL IT.

THE PRODUCT'S GOT TO SELL.

THE LAND'S GOT TO SELL.

SO IF IT'S GROWN, THEN I THINK YOU ALL NEED TO KNOW THE WHOLE GROUP OF WHAT'S GOING ON.

IF HE'S GOING TO BRING IT IN LIKE THIS AND.

AND HE'S APPROACHED THE COUNTY OR THE CITY WITH THIS TRANSITION OF WHERE HE'S GOING TO DO, THEN I THINK EVERYBODY NEEDS TO KNOW THAT UP FRONT AND NOT JUST WORRY ABOUT ONE PIECE OF LAND OR TWO PIECES OF LAND.

LET'S SEE WHERE WE'RE HEADED WITH THIS.

THAT'S MY THOUGHT ON IT.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN ASK THEM IF THEY'VE BEEN APPROACHED, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THEM.

SO WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? ANYTHING TO ADD? OKAY, NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MY PROPERTY.

YOUR NAME, SIR? I'M IN THE CORNER RIGHT THERE.

I'M MICHAEL BRAMLETT.

4375 HEALD ROAD, MELBOURNE, FLORIDA.

MY PROPERTY IS RIGHT IN THE CORNER.

OF THOSE YELLOW HASH MARKS.

HAVE ONE ACRE, A LITTLE OVER AN ACRE.

MY PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE DIRECTLY IMPACTED.

MY PARENTS BUILT THAT HOUSE ON THAT PROPERTY IN 1961.

I GREW UP IN THAT HOUSE.

SINCE MOVED BACK TO IT.

MY MOTHER WAS APPROACHED MANY, MANY TIMES WANTING PURCHASE THAT HER HOUSE AND PROPERTY AND SHE SAYS NO.

I INHERITED IT FROM HER AND.

I'VE BEEN APPROACHED ABOUT ANNEXING INTO THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

AS LONG AS I'M ALIVE, THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

WE'RE IN THE COUNTY AND WE'RE GOING TO STAY IN THE COUNTY.

BUT THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING AND TO THAT GENTLEMAN'S COMMENT RIGHT THERE, I AGREE.

NOBODY HAS SEEN WHAT THESE PEOPLE WANT TO DO, BUT I HAVE.

THEY SENT OUT A NOTICE WITHIN 500FT OF THAT PROPERTY AND I GOT IT.

I WENT TO THE COMMUNITY MEETING AND THEY HAD THE DEVELOPMENT UP ON THE BOARD AND THAT'S WHEN THE RED FLAGS WERE RAISED.

BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO BE DISASTER AND.

YESTERDAY MORNING OR THIS MORNING, I GO OUT ON MY CARPORT DRINKING A CUP OF COFFEE.

530, 6:00 IN THE MORNING.

AND IT WAS QUIET, DEAD, PEACEFUL.

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THAT'S ALL CHANGED.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THAT WAY.

I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR.

ANYONE HAVE IT? ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, MR. BRATTON.

BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY.

I'VE COME AND ADDRESSED THIS BOARDS LIKE THIS BEFORE AND IT INVOLVED HEALED ROAD.

THE CITY OF PALM BAY WANTED TO CHANGE THE SPEED LIMIT ON HEALED ROAD.

THERE WAS ONLY TWO PEOPLE.

ONE OF THEM WAS A RESIDENT OF HEALD ROAD AND MYSELF THAT CAME AND TALKED TO CITY COUNCIL TO MAINTAIN TO KEEP THE SPEED LIMIT LOWER ON HEALD ROAD.

I DIDN'T SEE ANY OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS SITTING BACK THERE COMING AND VOICING A COMPLAINT AGAINST IT, EXCEPT FOR ONE INDIVIDUAL THAT'S SITTING OUT IN THAT AUDIENCE.

NOW THAT INDIVIDUAL GOT THE CITY COUNCIL TO NOT RAISE THE SPEED LIMIT ON HEALD ROAD THAT WAS ACTIVE INVOLVEMENT.

SO TO HAVE SOMEBODY COME UP HERE AND ACCUSE SAYING, WELL, WHY IS THIS PERSON CHALLENGING IT? IT'S BECAUSE I'VE BEEN PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT HAPPENS IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

THAT'S NUMBER ONE.

NUMBER TWO, NOTHING IN THE PACKET FOR FOR THIS P AND Z PLANNING.

DOES IT EVEN TALK ABOUT STARBUCKS THAT WAS REVOLVING FROM THE INNER MEETING WITH THE RESIDENTS AND THE BUILDER? THAT'S WHERE THAT WAS PRESENTED.

SO IT'S NOT EVEN IN THE PACKET FOR THE AVERAGE JOE IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY TO REVIEW TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.

LUCKILY, I LIKE TO PAY ATTENTION AND CATCH UP ON IT.

NOW BACK TO THE ORIGINAL STATEMENT.

I LIKE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY BECAUSE THAT BOOSTS MY TAX BRACKET SO THAT THE HOMEOWNERS DON'T HAVE TO PAY AS MUCH TO HAVE A CITY THIS BIG OPERATE.

RIGHT. SAY AGAIN, PLEASE EXCUSE ME.

OKAY. KEEP THE.

I'M SORRY. THE OTHER ITEM WITH THIS ONE IS I UNDERSTAND THE TRAFFIC PROBLEM.

I REALLY DO.

THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED IN THE IN THE IF THIS PASSES, THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED IN THE PLANNING.

AND I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE RESIDENTS COME AND ADDRESS IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL WHEN THAT PART OF THE PLAN IS BEING PRESENTED.

SO YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY ADDRESS YOUR GOVERNMENT WHEN THOSE DECISIONS ARE BEING MADE.

RIGHT. THAT BEING SAID, AND I WILL NOT READDRESS THIS WHEN UNDER CPC 26 SO THAT WE CAN KEEP THE MEETING GOING.

THAT BEING SAID, YOU HAVE A HARD CHOICE AND I UNDERSTAND IT, BUT THAT'S WHY YOU VOLUNTEERED TO BE WHERE YOU ARE RIGHT NOW.

THANK YOU FOR VOLUNTEERING.

HEAT'S ON YOU NOW.

THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? ANY NEW COMMENTS? MY NAME IS ROBERT PADUANO.

I'M FROM 1567 MASTERS.

THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR PATIENCE.

EVERYONE'S LOOKING AT EVERYONE VERY PATIENTLY.

AND I APPRECIATE THAT. ONE TINY LITTLE THING THAT HASN'T.

WE MENTIONED A LOT ABOUT THE I'M NOT ANY MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANYBODY ELSE, RIGHT? THEY MENTIONED THE TRAFFIC AND MENTIONING IN TERMS OF HOW IT'S INCONVENIENT FOR US.

I WORK FOR BREVARD HEALTH ALLIANCE, WHICH IS, AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW, IS AN FQHC.

IT'S A COMMUNITY HEALTH CENTER.

WE SERVE THE UNDERSERVED, SO I GET TO WORK.

IT'S A VERY BUSY OFFICE AND WE'RE RUNNING AROUND ALL THE TIME.

THE IDEA OF THERE BEING A STARBUCKS BACKUP AND THERE COULD BE ANYWHERE ON THERE, BUT IF THAT THING SNAKES AROUND AND BLOCKS ME 20 MINUTES LATE MEANS I'M MAKING 20 MINUTES LATE FOR EVERY PATIENT I SEE THAT DAY, IT DOESN'T HAPPEN OFTEN THAT I GET A CALL IN THE MORNING AND SAY, HEY, DR.

PRATT, I WANT TO GET OVER HERE RIGHT AWAY.

BUT THERE'S A PATIENT HERE.

IT DOESN'T HAPPEN THAT OFTEN, BUT IF I'M 20 MINUTES LATER, THEN USING AN OFFICE THAT'S 20 MINUTES BEHIND ALL OF THESE PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO CATCH A BUS TO SING OR GET RELATIVES TO GET THEM TO THE OFFICE OR BRING THEIR CHILDREN, WHO WOULD GET THAT CARE.

SO IT'S I JUST WANTED TO TELL YOU THAT IT'S NOT JUST INCONVENIENCING US, BUT AND I'M NOT ANY MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANY OTHER PEOPLE WHO WORK HERE AND WORK IN THE COMMUNITY.

BUT THAT'S PUTTING A DENT ON THE SERVICES THESE PEOPLE AND I CAN PROVIDE TO OTHER PEOPLE.

SO I JUST THOUGHT THAT WASN'T MENTIONED.

THANK YOU. I'LL ADD A COMMENT ON READS TOGETHER.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? JARED COOPER.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT OTHER STUFF YOU SHOULD KNOW BY NOW, ANYWAY.

THIS ISSUE SAYS SPECIFICALLY REZONING FROM RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL.

AS WE CAN CLEARLY SEE, THE RESIDENTIAL ONLY HAS 2 OR 3 DRIVEWAYS, SO VERY LOW.

UM, ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC CAUSED BY THAT.

WE'RE GOING TO COMMERCIAL.

IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THERE ARE GOING TO BE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS THERE THAT GENERATE A LOT OF TRAFFIC.

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THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? OH, MY NAME IS JIM BERMEL 3900 POWELL ROAD.

I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE CHALKBOARD HERE.

CAN YOU KNOW, SO WE CAN HEAR I WANT TO SHOW YOU SOMETHING ON THIS MAP.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED AREA, RIGHT, THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING.

THE THEY CALLING THIS BACK UP TO 2 OR 300FT.

IT GOES UP TO HERE, ALREADY GOES UP TO THERE.

THEY HAD MORE TRAFFIC.

WE'VE GOT PEOPLE TRYING TO TURN AROUND IN THE MIDDLE OF A 20 FOOT ROAD WITH TWO FEET ON EACH SIDE BEFORE IT GOES INTO A DITCH.

I PERSONALLY PULLED PEOPLE OUT OF THAT DITCH BEFORE AND I HAVE TRAFFIC PILE UP HERE.

PILE UP HERE. THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THE PEOPLE COME DOWN HERE, MAKE A U TURN.

THESE FOLKS GOT TO GET OUT.

PLEASE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

I KNOW THAT YOU'RE VOLUNTEERS.

I WANT YOU TO REALLY CARE ABOUT THIS.

GO DOWN HILL ROAD SOMETIME, PLEASE.

SEE FOR YOURSELF.

WE'RE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT WHERE WE LIVE.

IT'S A VERY UNIQUE AREA.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

SO WHAT I FOUND IN MY CAREER, IF SOMEBODY SAYS, I DON'T KNOW, WE'LL LET THE ENGINEERS FIGURE IT OUT.

THEY HAVE A PLAN. THEY JUST DON'T WANT TO TELL YOU ABOUT IT.

THEY KNOW WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

BUT THE APPLICANT HAS SAID, I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T I DON'T KNOW, BUT WE'LL GET TO IT.

IN PLANNING, THE GENTLEMAN SAID, YOU KNOW, COME TO THE COUNCIL MEETING AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT IN PLANNING.

WELL, THERE IS A PLAN.

THEY KNOW ABOUT IT. THEY'VE MENTIONED STARBUCKS WHEN THEY INSTALLED THE STARBUCKS ON 182.

NOW THE RIGHT LANE OF 182 IS SHUT DOWN FOR ABOUT A QUARTER MILE LEADING INTO THAT STARBUCKS, THE STARBUCKS ON PALM BAY ROAD.

WE'VE ALREADY MENTIONED THAT THE LINE SLINKS DOWN PAST DENNY'S AND ALMOST TO GOLDEN CORRAL.

NAME ME ONE STARBUCKS IN THE HISTORY OF STARBUCKS THAT HAS GONE ACCORDING TO PLANNING.

BUT THEY'RE SAYING WE'LL JUST FIGURE IT OUT.

NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO FIGURE IT OUT.

WE KNOW WHAT THE PLAN IS.

WE'RE HERE BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO SPEAK OUT AGAINST WHAT WE FEEL LIKE IS GOING TO BE NOT ONLY A SAFETY CONCERN, A TRAFFIC CONCERN, BUT ALSO A QUALITY OF LIFE CONCERN FOR RESIDENTS OF PALM BAY, FOR RESIDENTS THAT ARE NOT PALM BAY RESIDENTS, BUT OFF OF HEALD ROAD, FOR THE PEOPLE TRAVELING, TRYING TO GET FROM ANYWHERE NORTH OF PALM BAY ROAD ON MINTON FOR PEOPLE TRYING TO GET ANYWHERE FROM SOUTH OF PALM BAY ROAD TO 192 ON MINTON.

AND WE KNOW WHAT THE APPLICANT'S GOING TO COME UP AND GET MORE QUESTIONS.

I DON'T KNOW. WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO FIGURE IT OUT.

NO, WE WOULD LIKE TO STOP IT HERE BECAUSE A VOTE IN THE MAJORITY TO NOT ACCEPT THIS ZONING STOPS THE CONVERSATION HERE.

WE FEEL LIKE WE WILL GO TO THE DISTANCE.

WE WILL ATTEND THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR THE ANNEX.

WE WILL ATTEND WHATEVER ZONING BOARDS WE NEED TO.

WE WILL ATTEND WHATEVER GOVERNMENT COUNCIL MEETINGS WE NEED TO IN ORDER TO KEEP THIS FROM HAPPENING.

BUT THIS IS WHERE IT CAN STOP AND THIS IS WHERE WE BELIEVE IT SHOULD STOP.

WE'RE NOT ONLY LOSING TWO OR 3 OR 4 RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, WE ARE LOSING A QUALITY OF LIFE.

WE ARE LOSING SAFETY.

WE ARE LOSING SO MUCH MORE THAN WHAT IS EVEN BEEN MENTIONED HERE.

THIS IS HEALD ROAD IS A GEM IN PALM BAY.

HEALD ROAD IS A GEM IN THE GREATER BREVARD COUNTY AREA AND WE ARE GOING TO LOSE IT BY ALLOWING A LARGE COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE AT THE MOUTH OF WHAT IS A VERY, VERY SMALL ENTRANCE.

DID YOU STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD? I'M SORRY? MICHAEL HOWELL 3230 HEALD ROAD.

THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? YES, SIR.

SIR, I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW SOMETHING THAT NO MATTER WHAT THIS THIS BOARD DECIDES, IT DOESN'T END HERE.

THIS BOARD CAN VOTE TO DENY IT.

THAT'S A RECOMMENDATION ONLY.

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AND. AND THEY.

THAT'S EXACTLY THE POINT.

AND THEY CAN APPROVE IT IF WE RECOMMEND THEY DENY IT.

IF WE RECOMMEND WE APPROVE IT, THEY CAN STILL DENY IT.

SO IT DOESN'T STOP HERE.

SO IF YOU'RE CONCERNED, GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING WHEN THIS COMES UP, FOLKS.

OKAY. ANY FURTHER? ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN HEARD? SEEING NONE NONE WITH THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

REAL BRIEF ONE, JUST THE COMMENT ON THE SIDEWALK ON HEALD ROAD.

WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO PLACING A SIDEWALK ALONG HEALD ROAD ON OUR PROPERTY AS PART OF IT.

THERE'S NO REAL.

I'M SORRY. LET HIM SPEAK, PLEASE.

WE CAN'T HEAR HIM. SORRY.

IT'S OKAY.

APOLOGIES. WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE SIDEWALK.

WHETHER THAT'S ON OUR PROPERTY OR ON THE.

THE COUNTY'S RIGHT OF WAY.

THAT'S AN OVERSIGHT.

OR WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT IT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THAT.

JUST LETTING YOU ALL KNOW THAT AGAIN.

OTHER THAN THAT, WE'VE SHOWN THE PLANS TO THE CITY.

WE'VE SHOWN IT IN THE CITIZEN PROTECTION MEETINGS THAT WE HAD WITH THE PEOPLE THAT RECEIVED THE NOTICE.

AND THOSE ARE THE PLANS.

WE DO NOT HAVE A SIGNED LEASE WITH STARBUCKS BECAUSE WE CAN'T ENTER INTO A CONTRACTUAL BINDING LEASE WITH THEM IF WE DO NOT KNOW THAT THERE IS THAT OPTION TO GET THE DEVELOPMENT THROUGH BECAUSE THEY HAVE TIMEFRAMES ON WHEN THEY HAVE TO BE DONE.

SO WE HAVE A LETTER OF INTENT, MEANING WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT IN PLACE PROVIDED THAT THE ZONING IS PUT IN PLACE TO ALLOW THE DEVELOPMENT.

AND IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, HERE TO ANSWER.

THANK YOU. DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU.

THE FLOOR IS NOW CLOSED FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS AND THE CASE IS BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY COMMENTS THEY'D LIKE TO ADD? I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT, IF I MAY, MADAM CHAIR.

MR. OLSAVSKY THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.

I APPRECIATE IT. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO EMPHASIZE THAT I FEEL AS THOUGH ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS THAT ARE SHARING WITH US HAVE HISTORICALLY FOUND THEMSELVES IN THE SAME CAMP THAT THAT I FIND MYSELF IN IN UNDERREPRESENTATION AT THE BREVARD COUNTY LEVEL.

I'LL POINT OUT WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A COUNTY COMMISSIONER IN THIS AREA.

MINTON ROAD IN ITS ENTIRETY IS JACKED UP.

I GOT TO DRIVE ON IT.

I LIVE OVER HERE.

THIS IS MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

THIS IS MY CITY.

DO YOU TAKE PERSONAL OFFENSE TO ANYBODY THAT DOESN'T WANT TO BE IN PALM BAY? SO IF YOU'VE BEEN INVITED AND YOU DON'T WANT TO COME TO THE PARTY, THAT'S YOUR PERSONAL PREROGATIVE.

BUT IF YOU WANT TO STAY IN THE COUNTY AND BE IN THE COUNTY, YOU SHOULD FIGHT FOR YOUR REPRESENTATION WITHIN THE COUNTY AND YOU SHOULD FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT MINTON ROAD AND ALL OF ITS PITFALLS ARE THE COUNTY'S FAULT.

THE COUNTY DOESN'T COME OUT HERE AND REPAVE IT.

THE COUNTY WON'T COME OUT HERE AND WIDEN IT.

THE COUNTY AND WEST MELBOURNE ARE THE ONES THAT APPROVED ALL THAT FARMLAND TURNING INTO CONDOS AND APPROVED THAT FARMLAND TURNING INTO MORE HOUSES.

SEEING PALM BAY IS NOT THE ONE THAT DID THAT.

CITY OF PALM BAY IS TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF ALL THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE AND THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE ARE OVEREXTENDED RESOURCES AND CORRIDORS THAT HAVE COMMERCIAL PUT INTO THEM WHERE IT DOESN'T BELONG AND CORRIDORS THAT COMMERCIAL DOES BELONG.

IT DOESN'T EXIST.

MR. OLSZEWSKI I'M GETTING SOMEWHERE, I PROMISE.

MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WHERE I'M AT WITH THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY IS TO SUPPORT THE IDEA THAT, AGAIN, IN A HYPOTHETICAL SCENARIO, IT IS ANNEXED BECAUSE WE HAVE NO SAY OF RECOMMENDATION ON THAT, THAT IT'S MOST SUITABLE USE WOULD MOST CERTAINLY BE INSTEAD OF POULTRY COLONY.

I DO BELIEVE THAT A COMMERCIAL USE WOULD BE THE ABSOLUTE BEST USE IF IT DOES ENTER MY GREAT CITY OF PALM BAY.

SO I WILL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RECOMMEND FOR APPROVAL.

CASE 20 3-00010.

HE'S NOT VOTING. WHO DO I HAVE A SECOND TEAM.

SO CAN I ASK STAFF A QUESTION, SIR? IS THERE ANY WAY WE COULD? BUT IN THIS MOTION THAT THEY CANNOT HAVE AN ACCESS OFF OF HILL ROAD.

CAN MAKE A RESTRICTION ON THE ZONING THAT WOULD PROHIBIT ACCESS TO HEALD ROAD.

THAT WOULD BE AN EXTRA LEVEL OF RESTRICTION, BUT IT CAN BE PLACED ON THE ZONING, NOT ZONING, NOT ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION HERE.

MAY I JUST RESPOND TO THAT? THAT WAS MY ORIGINAL QUESTION OF THE DEVELOPER, WHETHER OR NOT THERE WOULD BE EGRESS AND INGRESS OF.

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IF THERE IS NO INGRESS OR EGRESS ONTO HALE ROAD, YOU WOULD BE SAFER.

AND THAT'S MY POINT OF VIEW AS WELL.

OR DO I HAVE A MOTION? WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. MADAM CHAIR, WE HAVE A SECOND.

SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE, AYE.

NO. SURE.

I'D LIKE TO REQUEST A ROLL CALL.

ROLL CALL. MR. HRUSHEVSKY.

I. I.

YES, I. PRAY FOR MR. WARNER. I FOR JORDAN.

HEY, MR. MACLEOD.

MOTION PASSES. 4 TO 3.

OKAY. ON TO THE NEXT CASE.

ZERO 23 0006.

GOOD EVENING.

CAN WE HOLD A SECOND UNTIL THE CROWD LEAVES, PLEASE? MADAM CHAIR? SIR.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, PLEASE.

WE'RE TRYING TO CONDUCT A MEETING HERE.

THE MEETING IS STILL GOING FORWARD.

PLEASE.

HERE YOU GO. THANK YOU.

OKAY. WE WANT TO START THE MEETING AGAIN.

IF YOU COULD EITHER SIT DOWN.

ALL RIGHT, MISS BERNARD.

GOOD EVENING. THE CASE BEFORE YOU IS CPC 23 006.

THE APPLICANT IS COLE OLIVER OF WEST MALABAR PROPERTIES, LLC.

PROPERTY IS LOCATED WEST OF AN ADJACENT TO MINTON ROAD IN THE VICINITY AND SOUTH OF HEALD ROAD.

IT'S 4.54.58 ACRES CURRENTLY HAS A ZONING OF WHICH IS RESIDENTIAL, PROFESSIONAL AND A FEW AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL. THESE ARE BOTH BREVARD COUNTY ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS AND THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED THAT THEY GO TO COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL.

I AM HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE AS WELL AS THE APPLICANT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ZONING REQUEST? SEEING NONE, WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME FORWARD? OR. YEAH.

AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER TO ADD THAT HASN'T BEEN ADDRESSED TONIGHT.

BUT AS ALWAYS, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL DO MY BEST TO PROVIDE ANSWERS.

THANK YOU. THIS BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, MR. OLSZEWSKI? YES, SIR.

UM. DO YOU FEEL ABOUT ELIMINATING A POSSIBILITY OF AN INGRESS OR EGRESS ON HEALED ROADS? I THINK FUNCTIONALLY IT WOULD PROBABLY CAUSE THE THE PROPOSED TENANT TO WALK AWAY AND GO ELSEWHERE.

THEY WOULD LIKE THE EXIT BOTH WAYS.

MAIN ACCESS IS PROPOSED TO BE MINTON WHERE THEY THINK MOST OF THE CARS WOULD COME OFF OF.

AND THE REASON FOR THE ONE ACCESS POINT ON THE HEALD WAS TO PROVIDE AN ACCESS ALTERNATIVE, ACCESS TO TRY TO SPREAD, DISTRIBUTE A LITTLE BIT OF THE TRAFFIC TO THE BEST THEY CAN AND SERVICE ALL OF THE PROPERTY.

THE WAY IT'S DRAWN HAS TWO DRIVEWAYS TO MEET IN AND ONE ON HEALD.

YES, SIR. AND THE HEALD IS AN IN AND OUT.

YES, SIR. SO ONE DRIVEWAY, BUT IN AND OUT.

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THEY WOULD PROBABLY BE RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT ONLY.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY OTHER WAY TO DO THEM AT THAT SPOT.

OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

THAT'S ALL, MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE. THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM.

THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.

IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST? BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

I ORIGINALLY WAS NOT GOING TO ADDRESS CPC 2306, BUT AFTER THE INFORMATION THAT WAS JUST BROUGHT THAT UNDER A ZONING CHANGE THAT YOU YOU COULD PUT SOME STIPULATIONS IN THAT BROUGHT ME BACK UP.

THIS IS A CASE WHERE WE GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL STATEMENT OF ANNEXING INTO THE CITY WILL BOOST OUR TAX REVENUE IF WE CAN IF YOU CAN MAKE IT INTO YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL THAT THERE IS NO ACCESS OUT ONTO HEALD ROAD, THAT WILL BE A PLUS.

IT MIGHT NOT BE A WIN WIN FOR EVERYBODY, BUT IT'S NOT TURNS IT INTO A NON LOSE LOSE FOR EVERYBODY.

SO THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO PASS IT ON AND MAYBE WE'LL GET SOMETHING GOOD OUT OF IT.

I DON'T KNOW. BUT I DO DO LIKE SEEING TAX REVENUE UNDER COMMERCIAL BUSINESS COMING INTO THE CITY OF PALM BAY INSTEAD OF EVERY SINGLE DOLLAR GOING TO BREVARD COUNTY AND NOTHING COMING INTO THE RESIDENTS OF PALM BAY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS IN FAVOR? HE OPPOSED NEW COMMENTS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN MENTIONED.

HI, MY NAME IS DANA SMITH.

I LIVE AT 1661 WILLARD ROAD.

IT'S OFF OF HEALED.

I GUESS THIS IS MY FIRST COUNCIL MEETING.

THANKS FOR HAVING ME. BUT I HAVE A QUESTION.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW YOU CAN HAVE ALL OF THESE PEOPLE IN HERE.

I DON'T. I DOUBT YOU'VE EVER HAD A TURNOUT LIKE THIS.

I SINCERELY DOUBT IT.

HOW YOU CAN LISTEN TO EVERYONE SAY, WE DON'T WANT THIS, WE DON'T WANT THIS, AND THEN YOU CAN SIT UP HERE WHEN IT DOESN'T EVEN AFFECT YOU AND YOU JUST SAY, YEAH, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND DO THIS AND YOU CAN APPROVE IT.

I DON'T. I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

I DON'T. I DON'T I DON'T GET IT.

IF YOU WANT MORE TAX DOLLARS, HAVE SOMEONE SIT OUT UNHEALED EVEN MY SPEED.

I'M NOT GONNA LIE. I SPEED DOWNHILL ALL THE TIME.

AND THE PEOPLE DOING THE U-TURNS, YOU CAN YOU CAN HAVE SOMEONE SIT THERE.

SO I JUST. I DON'T UNDERSTAND AT ALL HOW YOU CAN YOU CAN HEAR THERE'S LIKE 100 PEOPLE HERE, HOW YOU CAN HAVE THEM.

EVERYONE SAY NO BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO AFFECT OUR LIVES.

IT DOESN'T AFFECT YOU HOW YOU CAN JUST APPROVE IT WITHOUT ACTUALLY LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT.

THAT'S NOT RHETORICAL.

THANK YOU, THOUGH. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK.

IS THERE AN ANSWER OR AM I JUST.

OH, OKAY. IS THERE ANOTHER TIME IN WHICH I CAN SPEAK TO SOMEONE ABOUT THAT? I THOUGHT SOMEONE JUST GAVE YOUR COMMENTS.

THANK YOU. CITY COUNCIL.

UM, AGAIN, MY NAME IS MICHELLE SMITH.

I LIVE AT 4296 HEALD ROAD.

I HOPE I CAN ASK, CAN I ASK FOR SOME CLARIFICATIONS AND QUESTIONS? POTENTIALLY? NO, JUST COMMENTS AT THIS POINT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

SO IF I COULD, COULD I COULD I TALK TO THAT? GO OVER AND TALK TO THAT MAP REAL BRIEFLY.

I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT SOMETHING FOR YOU HERE AT THE PODIUM.

OKAY. SO HOPEFULLY I CAN EXPLAIN THIS WITH DIRECTION.

OKAY. I IT HASN'T BEEN MENTIONED SPECIFICALLY, BUT IF YOU'RE LEAVING HEALD, IT'S ALREADY BACKED UP.

AND SO WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT IS ACCESS TO ALL THESE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS GOING ON TO HEALD.

SO THERE'S ALREADY PEOPLE BACKED UP ON HEALD JUST TRYING TO LEAVE HEALD.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO LET PEOPLE OUT OF THAT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE HEADING NORTH ON MINTON.

AND THE RIGHT LANE.

SOME OF THOSE ARE GOING TO TURN ONTO HEALD.

THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE A RIGHT ONTO HEEL TO TRY TO GET INTO THAT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GO ANYWHERE BECAUSE THAT OTHER SIDE OF HEALD IS ALREADY BLOCKED.

IT'S BLOCKING THAT ENTRANCE TO THAT COMMERCIAL.

SO PEOPLE ARE GOING TO START BACKING UP.

BACKING UP WHEN YOU COME INTO HEELED AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE CUSTOMERS TRYING TO GET IN THAT ARE GOING TO BACK IT UP, THEN NEIGHBORS ARE GOING TO BACK UP BEHIND THEM.

PRETTY SOON YOU'RE GOING TO BE BACKED UP ON THE MITTEN AND MITTEN.

NOW, LONG IS ALREADY A PARKING LOT.

MANY TIMES OF THE DAY.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE BACKING UP IN THAT RIGHT LANE ON ON MITTEN AND STOPPING TRAFFIC FLOW ON MITTEN.

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AND SO I AND THERE'S NOWHERE FOR THOSE PEOPLE TO GO.

YOU CAN BARELY GET IN AND OUT AT CERTAIN TIMES OF THE DAY.

PEOPLE BLOCK THE ENTRANCE TO YIELD WHEN YOU'RE COMING OFF PALM BAY ROAD, TURNING RIGHT AND TRYING TO TAKE A LEFT FROM MITTEN ONTO HEALD ROAD.

THOSE PEOPLE ON MITTEN HAVE SAT THERE SO LONG THEY BLOCKED THE ENTRANCE TO YIELD REPEATEDLY.

AND EVEN WHEN THE LIGHT CHANGES YOU, YOU CAN'T TURN IN.

HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.

THERE'S NOT A DO NOT BLOCK THERE.

NOBODY ENFORCES IT.

AND THEN YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT THE ILLEGAL U-TURNS THAT WE ALL HAVE TO DEAL WITH.

THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION IS IT'S ONE THING TO DO COMMERCIAL ANNEXATION OF THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE FACING YIELD.

IT'S A WHOLE NOTHER THING.

AND I WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER AMENDING THE PROPOSITION TO ELIMINATE THAT SECOND PROPERTY BACK.

IT BUTTS UP TO MICHAEL'S THAT HE TALKED ABOUT.

HE HE IS NEVER GOING TO SELL.

HE'S GOT A HOME THERE.

WOULD YOU CONSIDER AMENDING THE PROPOSITION TO REMOVE THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY IN YELLOW HASH? ITS RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURAL.

AND SO IT'S AND IT ONLY FACES HEALD ROAD, WHICH IS A RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO I'D LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER AMENDING THE PROPOSITION TO REMOVE THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY FROM BEING ZONED COMMERCIAL.

THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK.

THANK YOU. MY NAME IS SAM ROIG WITH IMPERIAL TOWING.

JESUS CHRIST. 3660 HEALD ROAD.

I'VE BEEN TRAINED IN MIT.

I'M A TOW TRUCK DRIVER.

I GOT THE CERTIFICATION.

THEY'RE GOING TO PUT US ENTRANCE LESS THAN 1000FT FROM A STREETLIGHT.

YOU KNOW THAT'S WRONG.

YOU CAN'T PUT AN ENTRANCE 1000 FOOT LESS THAN 1000 FOOT FROM A FROM A MAJOR INTERSECTION.

THAT'S A MAJOR INTERSECTION.

YOU TURN ON A HEEL ROAD.

THAT'S A MAJOR INTERSECTION.

FOUR LANE TO TWO LANE.

TO SAY WHAT SHE JUST SAID WAS JUST EXACTLY RIGHT.

YOU'RE GOING TO GET PEOPLE BACKED UP BOTH WAYS.

I WORKED FATALITIES ON THAT CORNER PERSONALLY.

ONE THAT SHE SAID ABOUT THE MOTORCYCLE.

I WAS THERE. I SCOOPED THAT KID UP.

HE WAS 19 YEARS OLD.

TWO MORE HAPPEN THERE.

I'VE GOTTEN THOSE TWO.

I GOT KIDS. MONEY.

THESE PEOPLE GOT KIDS.

I GOT KIDS THAT ARE GOING TO DRIVE.

MY DAUGHTER IS IN THIS ROOM RIGHT NOW.

SHE'S GOING TO BE SHE'S 16.

SHE'S GOING TO START DRIVING TO SCHOOL THIS COMING SEMESTER.

FOR THAT THING THERE.

IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG PROBLEM.

BIG PROBLEM.

I SAY NO TO THE ENTRANCE ON HILL.

I SAY NO TO THE WHOLE PROJECT.

JUST BECAUSE IT'S JUST GOING TO CAUSE MORE PROBLEMS THAN YOU GUYS CAN REALLY REALIZE.

YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN 23 YEARS WORKING TOW TRUCK IN THIS CITY.

PICKED UP AND SCOOPED UP THEIR BODIES LEFT AND RIGHT.

THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE ANOTHER PROBLEM.

THANK YOU. WE ALSO HAVE A GROUP OF COMMENTS TO ADD.

MY NAME IS ANNA PADUANO.

I ALSO LIVE AT 1567 MASTERS ROAD OFF HEALED EYE.

MY NEIGHBORS HAVE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE PATHOS AND VALUE OF MAINTAINING THE LAND AS IT IS, BUT I ALSO WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT I KNOW THAT Y'ALL WERE ENTERTAINING THE IDEA OF LIMITING EGRESS ON HEELS, BUT I ALSO WANTED TO SAY THAT EGRESS ON MINTON IS ALSO KIND OF INCOMPATIBLE, INADVISABLE, JUST BECAUSE I'M TALKING SPECIFICALLY RUSH HOUR.

I'M TALKING SPECIFICALLY THE HOUR THAT WE WERE DRIVING OUT HERE, THAT IT'S BACKED UP MOSTLY FROM PALM BAY ROAD TO RIGHT IN FRONT OF HEALD.

AND SO CAR TO CAR, BUMPER TO BUMPER.

AND SO IF AT DINNER HOUR SAY I'M ASSUMING THAT THE DEVELOPMENT WILL HAPPEN AND THAT.

EXITS WILL BE HAPPENING ON MINTON.

THOSE WILL ALSO BE.

STOPPED UP BY THE LEVEL OF TRAFFIC THAT ALREADY EXISTS.

SO I'M MOSTLY JUST WANTED TO BRING UP THE INCONVENIENCE OF IT, NOT THE DANGEROUSNESS OF THAT INCONVENIENCE, BUT JUST THE INCONVENIENCE TO PEOPLE WHO PERUSE THAT DEVELOPMENT.

I GUESS THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

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THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? JUAN DELGADO, 1561 WILLARD ROAD.

I SPOKE PREVIOUSLY.

I JUST I DO WANT TO SAY NO TO THE WHOLE PROJECT, BUT SPECIFIC I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT ENTRANCE AND EXIT OUT OF A HEALED THAT WE CAN PUT A RESTRICTION TO THAT. I ALSO NOT ONLY, YOU KNOW, BEING A US MARINE AND COMING OUT, I'M ALSO A BUSINESS OWNER.

I AM ALSO A SENIOR ACCOUNTANT OVER AT NASA.

AND DELAYING ME AND, YOU KNOW, CREATING THAT EXTRA TRAFFIC IS ALSO GOING TO DELAY ME FROM GETTING TO THE SPACE CENTER.

AND I KNOW THAT'S NOT YOUR PROBLEM.

IT'S MINE. I CHOSE TO WORK OUT THERE AND I LOVE IT OUT THERE, BUT I LOVE MY CITY OF PALM BAY.

AND THAT WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, REALLY HINDERED A LOT OF STUFF THAT I DO.

NOT ONLY DO I RUN MY OWN BUSINESS, BUT I DO DRIVE OUT THERE AND WORK OUT THERE.

AND I MEAN, I SPEND LONG HOURS.

I DON'T SLEEP MUCH.

AND, YOU KNOW, I DO IT FOR FOR THE PASSION THAT I HAVE.

BUT PLEASE LIMIT THAT ACCESS, YOU KNOW, RESTRICT THAT ACCESS FROM COMING OUT OF A HEALED AND JUST APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR.

ANYONE ELSE? WILLIAM STEPHENS 1561 WILLARD ROAD.

I WANTED TO COME AND TALK ABOUT THE SCHOOL BUS ISSUE.

THE SCHOOL BUS ISSUES.

I GET TO SCHOOL ABOUT AN HOUR LATE EVERY DAY.

WE'VE GOTTEN CALLS AT 5:00 IN THE MORNING SAYING THAT THE BUS IS GOING TO BE LATE.

THIS IS JUST GOING TO PACK IT UP EVEN MORE AND MORE.

I'VE SEEN COMING HOME CAR CRASHES RIGHT THERE.

I'VE SEEN THEM.

I'M ONLY WORRIED ABOUT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE.

THAT'S IT. BY JACKSON MAC. 1590 STUDLEY DRIVE, PALM BAY, FLORIDA.

I WAS ABOUT TO LEAVE.

IT'S ENLIGHTENING TO HEAR THAT YOU DO HAVE THE OPTION TO RESTRICT ACCESS ON HEALD ROAD.

I HEARD WHAT MR. COLE SAID THAT HIS CLIENT MAY PULL OUT BECAUSE OF THIS.

HONESTLY, THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF ZONING IS TO PROTECT EVERYONE INVOLVED, NOT JUST ONE PERSON THAT'S TRYING TO LEASE, GET A LONG TERM LEASE WITH HIS CLIENT.

HOWEVER, THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A MISREPRESENTATION.

HE SAID. THIS ENTRANCE ON HILL WOULD BE RIGHT IN AND RIGHT OUT.

THAT WOULD BE ASSUMING THAT ONLY PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON HEALD ROAD WOULD USE THIS ENTRANCE TO COME IN OR EVERYBODY ELSE IS GOING TO GO INTO PRIVATE DRIVEWAYS TO TURN AROUND.

SO THAT'S A MISREPRESENTATION.

IT'S LEFT IN, LEFT OUT, RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT.

THAT'S THE WAY IT'S DRAWN ON THE INITIAL PLANS.

SO THAT LEFT IN CROSS TRAFFIC.

SO I WOULD HOPE THAT MR. COLE IS WILLING TO LOOK AT OTHER SOLUTIONS.

SO I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS UP ON 192, YOU HAVE THE LIGHT INTO PUBLIX, YOU HAVE THE LIGHT ONTO HOLLYWOOD.

OKAY, THAT'S A VERY BUSY ROAD.

I'M SURE WE'LL ALL ADMIT TO THAT.

THERE ARE LEFT TURN CROSS TRAFFIC LANES WITHOUT LIGHTS.

IT'S ABOUT JUST AS MUCH SPACE AS THE LIGHT BETWEEN PALM BAY ROAD, SORRY, PALM BAY ROAD AND HEALD ROAD.

SO THEY'RE PRETTY CRUDE COPIES.

I'D LIKE TO GIVE THEM TO YOU JUST TO LOOK.

IT'S A COPY OF GOOGLE MAPS OF 192 AND THESE LEFT CROSS TRAFFIC LANES AND WHAT COULD BE A SOLUTION COMING NORTH ON MINTON ROAD TO GET WITH THE COUNTY AND HAVE THEM I KNOW IT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL COST TO THE COUNTY OR TO THE DEVELOPER, BUT TO HAVE THEM MAKE A LEFT TURN LANE GOING NORTH ON MINTON INTO THEIR PROPERTIES THAT WOULD GIVE THEM ALL THE ACCESS THEY NEED.

AND I DO WANT TO CLARIFY THE EXISTING DRIVEWAYS.

THEY ARE ESSENTIALLY NARROW, NOT TO CODE.

ONE OF THEM IS A DIRT DRIVEWAY AND THE OTHER TWO ARE COLLAPSING.

CARS FALL OFF THE EDGE OF THEM MAKING U-TURNS TO AVOID THE ILLEGAL U-TURN.

SO THE EXISTING THREE DRIVEWAYS SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF WHAT IS THE CURRENT TRAFFIC BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT BEING USED NEAR TO THE EXTENT.

SO I'LL JUST I'LL JUST GIVE THIS TO HIM AND I HOPE THAT THAT ALTERNATIVE CAN BE CONSIDERED AND THE THE PANEL CAN MAKE THE EXEMPTION OR EXCLUDE ACCESS OFF OF HEALD ROAD.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? GERARD COOPER 1631 CRANFIELD TERRACE, SOON TO BE 3868 HILL ROAD.

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LET'S SAY, OH, WELL, THE COUNTY ISN'T DOING SOMETHING, SO IT'S OKAY IF I CAN MAKE THE PROBLEM EVEN WORSE.

THAT IS THE MOST CHILDISH POSITION I'VE EVER HEARD.

NOW, THAT BEING SAID, I'M A BUSINESSMAN.

I REALIZE THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT SITUATIONS AND DIFFERENT PEOPLE WHO HAVE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS, AND YOU GOTTA BALANCE THAT. SO I GET THE CITY.

IT NEEDS REVENUE. I THINK THE COMPROMISE OF.

REMOVING THE ACCESS OF HILL ROAD AND A CHANGE OF ZONING IS A DECENT COMPROMISE.

AND QUITE FRANKLY, IF A DEVELOPER DOESN'T WANT TO MAKE SOME MINOR CONCESSIONS, IS THAT SOMEONE YOU AS A CITY REALLY WANT TO BE DOING BUSINESS WITH? HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. THANK YOU.

ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN HEARD.

MY NAME IS CHRIS PEEBLES.

I LIVE AT 1540 HENLEY ROAD IN PALM BAY.

I DID WANT TO MAKE ONE CLARIFICATION HEALD ROAD.

WHILE IT DOES HAVE COUNTY RESIDENTS, THERE ARE LOTS AND LOTS OF PALM BAY RESIDENTS WHO LIVE DOWN THAT ROAD AND YOU CAN SEE THE TURNOUT TONIGHT.

I ALSO WANTED TO PLEASE ASK YOU TO SERIOUSLY CONSIDER DENYING THIS CHANGE OF ZONING FOR THIS PROPERTY.

REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT IT HAS HEALED ROAD ACCESS.

THE THE TRAFFIC ALONE FOR WHAT I'VE SEEN PROPOSED WOULD BE PROBLEMS, EVEN IF THE ACCESS WAS SIMPLY INTO AND OUT OF.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ALL OF OUR CONCERNS TONIGHT.

YOU.

I'LL TRY NOT TO MENTION TRAFFIC.

SO I WOULD SAY SORRY.

MICHAEL HOWELL 3230 HEALD ROAD.

WITH REGARD TO THE PROPOSED ZONING, I ALWAYS FIND IT TO BE RATHER SHORT SIGHTED TO CHANGE RESIDENTIAL AREA INTO COMMERCIAL. YOU CAN NEVER GO BACK FROM THAT.

IF YOU CHOSE CHANGE THAT RESIDENTIAL AREA TO A PROFESSIONAL RESIDENTIAL OR PROFESSIONAL COMMERCIAL.

THAT WOULD BE THE STEP IN THE DIRECTION YOU NEED TO TAKE AS OPPOSED TO STRAIGHT FROM AGRICULTURAL, RESIDENTIAL ALL THE WAY TO COMMERCIAL.

I UNDERSTAND THIS IS PART OF A LARGER PLOT.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW.

THE APPLICANT MENTIONED THAT THE ZONING CHANGE FROM BU ONE GENERAL RETAIL COMMERCIAL IN BREVARD COUNTY TO COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL WAS A LATERAL MOVE AND I AGREE WITH THAT.

BUT HE ALSO MENTIONED THAT BU ONE WAS THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF COMMERCIAL THAT BREVARD COUNTY ISSUES.

SO THE ONLY WAY THAT HE CAN GET THIS PROPERTY TO A PLACE WHERE HE CAN DEVELOP WHAT HE WANTS IS TO GO LATERAL AND THEN UP, WHICH WAS ALWAYS THE DIRECTION HE WANTED TO. THE DEVELOPER WANTED TO GO.

YOU DON'T NEED TO LOSE ANY MORE TREES.

WE DON'T NEED TO LOSE ANY MORE GREEN SPACE.

WE DON'T NEED TO LOSE ANY MORE.

HEALD ROAD IS, YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT GOOGLE MAPS AND IT'S CONCRETE AND THEN A GREEN SWATH OF HEALD ROAD, WE'LL BE LOSING THE ENTRANCE TO WHAT IS ONE OF THE LAST REMAINING GREEN SPACES, TRUE GREEN SPACES IN THE BROWARD COUNTY AREA THAT'S NOT UNDERWATER.

AND EVEN THE AREAS THAT WERE UNDERWATER, YOU KNOW, FROM THE SAINT JOHNS PARKWAY NOW ARE BEING DEVELOPED.

WE'RE LOSING THAT AREA, TOO.

WE'RE LOSING THE PRAIRIE. WE'RE LOSING THE WILDLIFE HABITAT.

AND THIS IS JUST ONE MORE INSTANCE OF THAT.

SO I ALSO.

I ALSO WOULD PREFER NOT TO HAVE A RECOMMEND THAT THE ENTRANCE TO HEALD ROAD, AN ENTRANCE AND EGRESS OFF OF HEALD ROAD BE PROVISIONED OUT OF THE ZONING RECOMMENDATION, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING WHERE THIS PLAYS OUT.

THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS FROM THE.

LINDA LUNDSTEDT.

3370 HEALD ROAD.

I LIVE IN THE COUNTY.

I'LL MAKE IT BRIEF.

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I WAS OPPOSED TO EVERY EVERY OF THE ONES, BUT CERTAINLY OPPOSED TO THIS ONE.

PLEASE. NO ACCESS UNHEALED ROAD.

I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.

I MEAN. DON'T WANT IT AT ALL.

BUT CERTAINLY WE DON'T WANT THE ACCESS.

YOU FILL THIS OUT? ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? MICHAEL WILLIAMS 4306 HILL ROAD.

I'M ADAMANTLY OPPOSED TO THIS.

YOU GUYS ARE NOT A SHELL COUNCIL.

I'M APPRECIATE I APPRECIATE THE FOLKS UP HERE THAT SAID NO TO THIS.

I'M UPSET HERE AND LISTEN TO THE REST OF MY COMMUNITY OFF OF HILL ROAD AND MAYBE SOME THAT DON'T LIVE ON HILL ROAD.

PASSIONATELY OPPOSE THIS.

AND FOR THE ONES WHO DID APPEAR THAT DID APPROVE THIS.

I'M SHOCKED THAT YOU DID, FRANKLY.

I MEAN, YOU GUYS HAVE SUCH A LARGE REPRESENTATION FOR US.

AND CANADA SHALE COUNCIL, YOUR VOTE COUNTS.

IT GOES TO THE NEXT STEP.

AND YOUR VOTE HAS SOME WEIGHT.

I MEAN, YOU GUYS HAVE A CHANCE TO COME TOGETHER IN UNITY AND PASS ALONG WHAT WE ARE WANTING.

AND IF YOU'VE BEEN SITTING UP HERE FOR THAT, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG.

AN HOUR AND A HALF OR MORE.

WHAT WE'VE BEEN SAYING.

I MEAN, THIS THIS AREA, THIS PROPOSAL, IT'S NOT READY FOR THE FOR THE FOR THE LANE, FOR THE FOR THE TRAFFIC FLOW THAT EXISTS RIGHT NOW.

IT DOES NOT IT IS NOT READY.

I MEAN, I'VE BEEN LIVING HERE FOR, YOU KNOW, OVER A YEAR SOLID.

AND YOU GOT FOLKS THAT BALLOON HERE FOR MASSIVE AMOUNT OF YEARS, MORE THAN MORE THAN MY FAMILY.

AND IT DOESN'T TAKE A LONG TIME TO REALIZE THAT THE TRAFFIC IS GETTING WORSE.

BREVARD COUNTY IS FILLING UP AND EVERYTHING IS GROWING.

THAT MINT MINT NEEDS TO WIDEN BIG TIME BEFORE YOU START BRINGING IN EXTRA BUSINESSES.

IT'S A SMALL TOWN FEEL AND WE WANT TO KEEP IT THAT WAY.

BUT DON'T KNOW. ONE DAY THIS, YOU KNOW, EXTRA BUSINESS IS GOING TO COME IN HERE, BUT YOU GOT TO FIX THE THE PROBLEM FIRST BEFORE YOU MAKE IT WORSE.

YOU GOT TO FIX THE PROBLEM.

AND SOME OF Y'ALL GET IT.

FOR THE ONES WHO ARE SAYING YES, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY.

CAN'T ASK A QUESTION. CAN'T ASK.

YOU UNDERSTAND? I'VE SEEN THESE MEETINGS BEFORE.

FIRST TIME I COME IN HERE AND SPOKE.

BUT YOU GOT. YOU GUYS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO UNIFY? NO. GOING UP TO THE NEXT STEP.

COMMON SENSE. I FILL OUT A PAPER.

THANK YOU, SIR. SEEING NO OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE FLOOR.

I HAVE ONE. SO MY NAME IS TRACY POST-HOC.

I LIVE AT 4119 AND WHICH IS RIGHT BEHIND THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AREA ON THAT LITTLE STREET.

SO I'M WITHIN THE 500 FOOT RADIUS, SO I WAS ONE OF THE VERY FEW THAT GOT A PROPOSED DIAGRAM OF WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING TO DO ON THAT HEALED ROAD EXIT RIGHT THERE WITH THAT YELLOW BOXES. IT'S A BIG APRON.

AND I CAN GIVE THIS TO YOU GUYS WHERE THEY'RE COMING IN NOT ONLY FOR ACCESS TO THE STARBUCKS, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO COME INTO ALL THE OTHER PROPERTIES AS WELL.

THEY'RE MAKING THAT MAIN ENTRANCE THERE.

SO THIS IS MORE TRAFFIC THAN JUST THE STARBUCKS.

SO AND THEN THIS WAY THAT THIS STREET IS DESIGNED, THEY DID NOT WIDEN THE STREET.

IT IS AT THE CURRENT TWO LANE ROAD.

SO THEY'RE NOT EVEN LOOKING AT THE STREET BEING WIDER.

AND I CAN TELL YOU BY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, I CAME IN ON A LEFT TURN LANE ONTO HEALD ROAD IN DECEMBER.

THE PERSON IN FRONT OF ME REALIZED, OH, I CAN'T DO A U-TURN, SLAMMED ON THE BRAKES AND PULLED INTO THE LITTLE DIRT DRIVEWAY THAT'S RIGHT THERE.

I STOPPED THE PEOPLE BEHIND ME DID, AND I GOT REAR ENDED THERE.

THERE WAS NO PLACE TO PULL OVER TO WAIT FOR THE COPS TO COME FROM BREVARD COUNTY.

THIS IS A DANGEROUS INTERSECTION RIGHT HERE.

AND THIS IS GOING TO JUST BE THE SAME, BUT TEN TIMES WORSE.

SO I CAN SHARE THIS AND LEAVE THIS WITH YOU GUYS AND ADD IT TO YOUR FILE.

BUT THERE'S NO ACCOMMODATION FOR WIDENING THE INTERSECTION.

AND IT DOES SHOW THAT THIS IS GOING TO GO ACROSS ALL THREE PROPERTIES IN THE BACK ENTRANCE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MA'AM.

ANY FURTHER? SEEING NONE.

JUSTINE STEVENS, 1561 WILLARD ROAD.

I'M NOTICING NOW, AS THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS ENTRANCE FROM HEALED.

NOT ONLY IS IT THE STARBUCKS OR PROPOSED STARBUCKS, WHICH I THINK HE ALREADY MENTIONED, IF THEY COULDN'T HAVE THAT ENTRANCE, THEY DIDN'T WANT IT.

IF THAT ZONING CHANGES, IT COULD MEAN ANYTHING IN THERE.

AND ALL OF THOSE BUSINESSES ALL THE WAY THROUGH WHERE THAT TRAILER KING IS ALL THE WAY INTO WHERE THERE ALREADY IS A PARKING LOT FOR, I THINK IT'S LONG

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RATHER THAN WAITING ON MINTON ROAD TO GET IN, YOU COULD JUST TURN ON HEALD AND GET IN.

WHY DON'T THEY PROPOSE TO JUST COME IN WHERE WALGREENS IS ALREADY, WHERE THERE'S ALREADY A MAIN INTERSECTION WITH TURN LANES AND ROUTE THEIR TRAFFIC THROUGH THE SHOPPING CENTER THAT'S ALREADY THERE AND MAYBE PUT THE RETENTION POND ALONG HEALD OR LEAVE SOME GREEN SPACE THERE SO THAT THAT ENTRANCE IS STILL PRESERVED.

THANK YOU. THANKS.

MISS JORDAN, MISS JORDAN, BEFORE THE NEXT PERSON COMES UP.

I JUST WANT TO IDENTIFY THAT THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT IS GOING AROUND WAS NOT SUBMITTED IN CONJUNCTION WITH THEIR APPLICATION.

IT WAS PART OF THE CITIZEN PARTICIPATION PLAN MEETING, WHICH MEANS STAFF HAS NOT REVIEWED THAT CONCEPT PLAN.

TONIGHT'S VOTE IS NOT ON THAT CONCEPT PLAN.

IT IS ON THE ENTITLEMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE ZONING DISTRICT REQUEST AT HAND.

YOU CAN MAKE ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS ON THE ZONING REQUEST, BUT YOU CANNOT MAKE YOUR DETERMINATION BASED ON THAT CONCEPT PLAN THAT HAS BEEN GIVEN OUT.

THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME FORWARD.

THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, FIRST, IF I DID MISS STATE OR MAKE A MISREPRESENTATION THAT THE HEALED ROAD WAS NOT PLANNED TO BE A FULL CUT.

IT IS. THE MOUNTAIN ROADS WOULD BE THE RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT.

I THOUGHT I SAID THAT, BUT I DO MISSPEAK AT TIMES, SO APOLOGIES IF I DID.

SECOND TO THE COMMENT OF, YOU KNOW, WOULD YOU LIKE TO WORK WITH A DEVELOPER WHO WOULD MAKE CONCESSIONS? I WOULD REITERATE, AS WE STARTED OUT THE MEETING TONIGHT, THAT WE'VE ALREADY MADE CONCESSIONS WORKING WITH THE COUNTY TO GIVE THEM PROPERTY TO WIDEN, TO PUT THEIR MASS POSTS THE NEW LIGHT FURTHER INTO OUR PROPERTY THAN WE WERE REQUIRED TO DO.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING IN CONJUNCTION WITH THEM TO TRY TO ALLOW THE WIDENING OF THE PROPERTY THAT WE CONTROL.

AND AS WE SAID TONIGHT, WE'RE FINE DOING THE SIDEWALK ON OUR OWN PROPERTY, NOT THE RIGHT OF WAY.

AND TO THE QUESTIONS ON WHY DON'T WE JUST TAKE IT THROUGH THE WALGREENS PROPERTY? WELL, THAT'S SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY DOWN THERE.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HAPPY WE WOULD WORK WITH THEM TO GRANT CROSS ACCESS EASEMENTS TO TRY TO MAINTAIN THE TRAFFIC WITHIN THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT TO THE EXTENT THEY WOULD WORK WITH US. BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONNECTION WITH THOSE OWNERS IF THE CITY OF PALM BAY DOES.

WE'RE HAPPY TO SPEAK WITH THEM AND WORK WITH THEM TO THAT EFFECT.

BUT AGAIN, WE'D STILL REQUIRE THE CONJUNCTION, THE ACCESS ON THE HEALED ROAD FOR THE PROJECT AS WE HAVE PLANNED.

AND WITH THAT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE TONIGHT.

IF YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

THANK YOU. DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

FLOOR IS NOW CLOSED FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS IN THE CASE IS BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION AND A MOTION.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.

SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A POINT OF CLARIFICATION IN SAYING THAT I FEEL THAT THE TRAFFIC SITUATION, CURRENT STATE WITH ALL OF ITS CURRENT ZONING AND NEEDS AND WHAT HAVE YOU, ARE IN THE CONDITION THEY'RE IN BECAUSE BREVARD COUNTY HAS ALLOWED IT TO GET TO THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT IT'S IN.

FURTHERMORE, I THINK THAT THE RESIDENTIAL DESIGNATION THERE HOLDS HEALED TO A LOWER LEVEL OF SERVICE THAN IT TRUTHFULLY, THE INTERSECTION SHOULD BE TREATED.

THEY PUT THE APARTMENTS. SO DEVELOPMENT OF THIS AREA WILL BRING AN IMPROVEMENT TO THAT INTERSECTION AND A BETTER IMPROVEMENT TO THAT INTERSECTION.

SO I WANT TO SEE THE INTERSECTION IMPROVE BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED.

HOWEVER, IN THE COURSE OF IMPROVING THE INTERSECTION, I DON'T SEE WHERE THE INGRESS AND EGRESS ON HEELS ADDS TO A BETTER STATE WHERE WHEN THIS IMPROVEMENT IS DONE NOW THINGS ARE BETTER, THINGS ARE BAD RIGHT NOW.

THEY NEED FIXED.

WE WANT TO MAKE THEM BETTER.

BUT I DON'T SEE HOW AFTER WE IMPROVE THE THE INTERSECTION, IF THE BUSINESS IS BEING ACCESSED OFF OF HEALED, HOW THAT THAT HELPS THE SITUATION REALLY EVER OF THE TRAFFIC OF MIDTOWN OR ANYTHING ELSE.

SO IT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER THE IDEA OF THE CONTINGENCY.

I KNOW THAT THE THE REPRESENTATIVE HERE IS TOUGH ON IT, BUT I DON'T I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE A MOTION YET.

BUT IF I WERE TO MAKE A MOTION, I REALLY DO LIKE THAT IDEA OF THE CONTINGENCY.

BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT THE FLOW OF THINGS, I WANT THIS TO BE A COMMERCIAL PARCEL.

I WANT IT TO BE IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY, SO ON AND SO FORTH.

I WANT HEALD AND MINTON TO BE AN IMPROVED INTERSECTION AT THE END OF ALL THIS.

AND I DON'T SEE AN INGRESS AND EGRESS ON HEALD ACHIEVING THAT OBJECTIVE.

SO I WOULD HAVE A LOT OF TROUBLE NOT WANTING TO AGAIN RECOMMEND TO COUNCIL BECAUSE WE'RE NOT COUNCIL, WE'RE A BOARD OF VOLUNTEERS RECOMMEND TO COUNCIL THAT THEY

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AND THEN ALSO SAY OUT LOUD THAT I'M VERY EXCITED AT THE IDEA THAT THIS PROPERTY WOULD BE IN PALM BAY AND WOULD BE HELD TO OUR CITY STAFF STANDARDS OF REVIEWING FUTURE TRAFFIC PLANS. AND I HOPE THAT OUR CITY STAFF LEADERSHIP IS HEARING LOUD AND CLEAR WHAT WOULD BE MOST FEASIBLE, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A PRECEDENT WITH A CAR WASH ON MINTON THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW.

WHEN THAT CAME BEFORE, COUNCIL COUNCIL SAID THAT CANNOT YOU CANNOT MAKE A LEFT OUT OF THERE.

YOU'RE NOT CUTTING ACROSS.

MINTON AND CUTTING ACROSS SIX LANES OF TRAFFIC AND ALL THAT.

NO WAY NO HOW.

THE FOLKS SAID, WE UNDERSTAND THAT.

WE KNOW THAT THAT'S HOW THEY DREW THEIR SITE PLAN UP.

THAT'S HOW THE THE THE CITY'S APPROVING IT.

SO WHETHER IT IS SPECIFICALLY THROUGH THE RESTRICTION, A RECOMMENDATION OF A RESTRICTION OF AN INGRESS AND EGRESS FROM THIS BOARD OR NOT, I DEFINITELY HOPE THAT THE WORD TRAVELS THROUGH THE PROCESS. BUT I DO HAVE AN APPETITE FOR RECOMMENDING THAT RESTRICTION.

AND I'M CURIOUS IF SOME OF MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS DO AS WELL.

AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT WITH IT, MADAM CHAIR.

MR.. WEINBERG YEAH, A COUPLE OF THINGS.

FIRST OF ALL, I WANT THESE PEOPLE TO KNOW I HAPPEN TO BE INTIMATELY FAMILIAR WITH HEALD ROAD.

I HAVE FRIENDS WHO LIVE ON HEALD ROAD.

I'M ALSO FAMILIAR WITH MINTON ROAD, THE INTERSECTION THERE.

I ALSO SERVE ON THE ADVISORY BOARD FOR THE SPACE COAST, TPO, THE TRANSPORTATION PLANNING ORGANIZATION.

WE'VE DONE STUDIES ON MINTON ROAD AND WE HAVE SEVERAL RECOMMENDATIONS FOR FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS TO TO TO MINTON ROAD.

BUT NO MATTER, I JUST CANNOT SEE ANY, ANY RECOMMENDATIONS, ANY TRANSPORTATION RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WOULD IMPROVE THE TRAFFIC GOING ON TO HEALD ROAD.

THAT'S JUST IT'S RIGHT NOW IT'S REALLY, REALLY DIFFICULT.

THERE'S A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE TESTIFIED TO.

IT'S EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY DANGEROUS TO HAVE ANY KIND OF INGRESS OR EGRESS TO ANY COMMERCIAL PROPERTY FROM HEALD ROAD WOULD BE TRAGIC.

SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CPC 23 00006, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITION THAT NO INGRESS OR EGRESS BE ALLOWED ON HEALD ROAD.

ALL RIGHT, I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.

I HAVE A MOTION BY MR. WEINBERG, SECOND BY MR. OLSZEWSKI. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE.

OPPOSED. CHAIR.

I'D LIKE TO REQUEST A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.

MR. A.

I. I.

I. SHE CARRIES.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

OKAY, THEN. I'M SORRY.

WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE WITH WE HAVE A COUPLE MORE CASES.

IF SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO EXIT, PLEASE DO SO QUIETLY.

YES. WE'LL TAKE A COUPLE OF MINUTE BREAK.

MR. WHITE CASE T 23 00006, SIR.

GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. STEPHEN WHITE, SENIOR PLANNER OF GROWTH MANAGEMENT.

THE CASE BEFORE YOU IS T 23 00006.

THIS IS A TEXTUAL AMENDMENT TO THE CODE OF ORDINANCES.

TITLE 17 LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHAPTER 185.

THE ZONING CODE SECTION 185 .118.

ACCESSORY STRUCTURES TO AMEND THE CODE OF ORDINANCES AND PROVIDE CLARIFICATION FOR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.

CITY COUNCIL HAD DIRECTED STAFF TO CONDUCT A REVIEW OF SECTION 185 .118 TO IDENTIFY CASES SUITABLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW AND APPROVALS.

STAFF HAS CONDUCTED A THOROUGH REVIEW OF THE ENTIRE CHAPTER AND PROPOSED LANGUAGE TO ELIMINATE REDUNDANCIES AND PROVIDE CLARIFICATION FOR THE TYPES, LOCATIONS AND SIZES OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.

THE STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF CASE 223 0006 AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU, MR. WHITE. DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.

JUST TO FULLY UNDERSTAND, SIR, ONCE THIS GOES THROUGH, WHAT'S THE DIRECT BENEFIT TO A CITIZEN THAT'S LOOKING TO BUILD AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE? ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE IDENTIFIED WAS THERE WAS MULTIPLE AREAS THAT KIND OF CONTRADICTED ITSELF FOR THE TYPES, SIZES, LOCATION, SETBACKS.

ONE THING THAT WE DID COME UP WITH WAS FOR THOSE WITH THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, THERE'S NOT A RESTRICTION ON THE SIZE FOR PROPERTIES IN EXCESS OF TWO ACRES, SO THAT WILL ELIMINATE PEOPLE COMING IN FOR VARIANCES OR ADMINISTRATIVE VARIANCES FOR SIZES ON STRUCTURES WHEN THEY HAVE THE PROPERTY TO

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NOW IT'S STILL IN THE CODE WHERE THEY CAN'T RUN A BUSINESS FROM AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, BUT THEY WILL HAVE THE ABILITY FOR THE BIGGER SHOPS, FOR HOBBY, WOODWORKING, WHAT HAVE YOU. AND WE ALSO ADDED IN A TABLE THAT WAS ADDED WOULD BE LISTED AS TABLE A IN THE CODE.

WHAT WE DID IS WE TOOK ALL OF THE SIZES SO YOU WEREN'T TRYING TO MATCH DIFFERENT PARAGRAPHS FOR SETBACKS.

AND WE PUT ALL THE STRUCTURES WITH THE REQUIRED SETBACKS AND THE MAX HEIGHT TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO READ AND FOR STAFF TO BETTER HELP CITIZENS TO UNDERSTAND THE CODE.

OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT SUMMARY.

SUFFICE TO SAY, WE'RE STREAMLINING THE PROCESS REALLY THROUGH THESE ACTIONS.

YES, IT WAS. IT WAS.

WE GOT TOLD TO LOOK AT ONE AREA, BUT WE WENT THROUGH THE SECTION IN THE WHOLE TO BRING IT ALL IN AT ONCE.

I REALLY LIKE THAT. I REALLY DO LIKE THAT.

THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE THANK YOU.

IS NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.

IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE. THE FLOOR IS NOW CLOSED AND IT'S BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD.

BOARD? DO I HAVE A MOTION LATER? YEAH. AS MR. WHITE SAID, I THINK THIS JUST CLARIFIES THE ORDINANCE AND AND REMOVES ELIMINATES A LOT OF THE REDUNDANCIES.

SO MOTION TO APPROVE T 23 00006.

SECOND. MOTION BY MR. WEINBERG, SECOND BY MR. OLSZEWSKI. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

NEXT CASE T 23 00009 RAMOS.

GOOD EVENING.

CASE T 23 00009.

THE APPLICANT IS THE CITY OF PALM BAY AND THIS WOULD AFFECT US ALL CITYWIDE.

THIS IS A TEXTUAL AMENDMENT TO THE CODE OF ORDINANCES.

TITLE 17 LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHAPTER 185 ZONING CODE SECTION 185 .018 SITE PLANS TO AMEND THE SITE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS AND ESTABLISH A SEPARATE REVIEW PROCESS FOR PLAN REVIEWS OF CERTAIN MINOR EXPANSIONS OR REDEVELOPMENT OF DEVELOPED SITES.

OOPS, SORRY. THE PURPOSE OF THIS AMENDMENT IS TO DELINEATE THE REVIEW PROCESS FOR CERTAIN MINOR EXPANSIONS OR REDEVELOPMENT OF DEVELOPMENT SITES FROM DEVELOPMENT OF VACANT UNIMPROVED PROPERTY.

APPLICANTS MAY MEET REQUIREMENTS OUTLINED IN THE CODE FOR A MINOR SITE PLAN OR A SITE PLAN MODIFICATION AND OBTAIN RELIEF FROM SUBMITTAL REQUIREMENTS AND IN-DEPTH REVIEWS ASSOCIATED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF VACANT UNIMPROVED PROPERTY.

THIS AMENDMENT ALSO INCLUDES EXEMPTIONS FROM SITE PLAN REVIEW FOR SMALL SITE ALTERATIONS THAT CAN BE ADEQUATELY REVIEWED THROUGH OTHER PROCESS, SUCH AS BUILDING PERMIT REVIEW. THE AMENDMENT ALSO DEFINES DEFINES REVISIONS TO APPROVED PLANS, WHICH WE CALL THE MAP, WHICH ARE CHANGES TO A SITE AS IT AS IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF CASE T 23 00009 AND I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU. DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS AMENDMENT.

IS NOW CLOSED FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS AND BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD.

BOARD? DO I HAVE A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE T 23 00009.

THIS THIS CHANGE IN THIS IN THIS ORDINANCE DOESN'T AFFECT WHETHER PEOPLE STILL HAVE TO APPLY FOR BUILDING PERMITS FOR ANY CHANGES TO THE BUILDING.

SO IT'S A GOOD CHANGE.

SECOND. CHRISTIAN BY MR. WEINBERG, SECOND BY MR. BAUM. ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

THE NEXT CASE. THE LAST CASE.

T 23 00016.

MISS BERNARD. GOOD EVENING AGAIN.

SO THE APPLICANT FOR CASE T 20 300 16 IS THE CITY OF PALM BAY GROWTH MANAGEMENT.

THIS IS A TEXTUAL AMENDMENT TO THE CODE OF ORDINANCES LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHAPTER 185 ZONING CODE TO IMPLEMENT A SUPPLEMENT IN THE SUPPLEMENTARY DISTRICT REGULATIONS TO INCORPORATE A NEW SECTION 185 139 FOR OUTDOOR DINING.

CURRENTLY, THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE THAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU IS TO FOR OUTDOOR DINING.

WE THE CODE IS SILENT ON IT.

THERE IS NOTHING THAT GIVES ANY PARAMETERS ON HOW OUTDOOR DINING IS REGULATED.

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AND IT WE RECOMMEND IT FOR APPROVAL.

THANK YOU. THIS BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MR. WEINBERG? ALEX, I.

JUST ONE QUESTION. THIS DOES NOT AFFECT FOOD TRUCKS.

IT DOES NOT. WE HAVE A SEPARATE ORDINANCE THAT CONCERNS SEATING AND THAT TYPE OF THING FOR FOOD TRUCKS.

CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.

THIS WOULD BE FOR A RESTAURANTS THAT ARE A PERMANENT NATURE.

OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. USHER? THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

MS.. BERNARD, DO WE CURRENTLY HAVE ANY RESTAURANTS IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY THAT USE OUTDOOR DINING? AND WOULD THEY BE GRANDFATHERED BY THIS PROCESS OR WHAT HAVE YOU? SO WE DO ACTUALLY HAVE SOME THAT HAVE OUTDOOR DINING AND THEY WOULD BE GRANDFATHERED WITH THIS PROCESS.

SO THEY WOULD THEY DON'T HAVE TO ABIDE BY IT.

IT WOULD BE FOR THE NEW ONES COMING IN.

GOTCHA. WHAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF A RESTAURANT THAT HAS OUTDOOR? WHAT? YEP.

OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE.

SURE. ALSO LIKE A DUNKIN DONUTS.

I BELIEVE. THE ONE ON MALABAR ROAD.

YEAH, THEY HAVE A LITTLE OUTDOOR DINING AREA, A NEW PIZZA PLACE ON US.

ONE I JUST THOUGHT OF, TOO. THEY HAVE A VERY NICE PORCH.

GO PATRONIZE THE BAYFRONT.

EVERYBODY PATRONIZE THE BAYFRONT.

UM, NO, THAT'S.

THAT'S REALLY GOOD TO KNOW.

SO THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU. OKAY.

DOES ANYONE WISH TO COMMENT ON THIS IN THE AUDIENCE? MR. BENTON. I WANT TO BE INVOLVED.

IT'S GOT TO BE INVOLVED.

BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

ANOTHER ONE OF THE RESIDENTS, I MEAN, RESTAURANTS THAT HAVE OUTDOOR DINING.

EXCUSE ME IS BEEF O'BRADY'S.

AND TODAY I WAS COMING OUT OF PUBLIX, ONE OF THE ELECTRIC BIKES.

GOING DOWN ON THE SIDEWALK.

THE PERSON WAS GOING INTO BE WAS BY BEEF O'BRADY'S OUTDOOR DINING AREA.

THE BIKE CAME DOWN AND I GUESS THEY'RE DOING RIGHT BY MIGHT.

I'M GOING FASTER SO YOU BETTER MOVE.

THE PERSON HAD THE CHOICE OF EITHER STEPPING INTO THE TABLES WHERE THE PEOPLE WERE DINING OR STEPPING INTO THE TRAFFIC AND THE PERSON STEPPED INTO THE INTO THE TABLES, WHICH WAS THE SMART DECISION.

BUT BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THESE OUTDOOR DINING FACILITIES WEREN'T ORIGINALLY PUT INTO THE PLANS.

WHEN THEY WERE MAKING THEIR RESTAURANTS.

WE'RE NOW FACING A PROBLEM AND THEY'VE BEEN GRANDFATHERED.

WE'RE CALLING IT GRANDFATHERED IN.

THEY'VE MET SOME CRITERIA THAT IS STILL VERY DANGEROUS AND DOES NOT MEET ANY OF THE CRITERIA OF WHAT YOU'RE GETTING READY TO IMPOSE.

I'M NOT SAYING TAKE IT AWAY.

I'M JUST SAYING SEE IF THERE WAS SOME MECHANISM WHERE YOU COULD SAY THIS IS UNSAFE.

AND SOME OF IT IS.

SO THAT BEING SAID, BECAUSE COVID ALLOWED PEOPLE FOR ACCESS TO OUTSIDE DINING, THEY IMMEDIATELY MOVED OUTSIDE TO KEEP THE RESTAURANTS OPEN AND IT WAS FLY BY NIGHT SET UPS.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GOING TO CORRECT IT BECAUSE SO MANY THINGS ARE GRANDFATHERED IN BECAUSE IT WAS PREEXISTING.

BUT COVID AUTHORIZATION HAS BEEN DONE AWAY WITH IF IT WAS, MY SUGGESTION IS IF IT WAS AN IMPLEMENTATION UNDER COVID ACCESS OR COVID STANDARDS.

COVID'S DONE, THAT SHOULD GO AWAY.

AND IF THEY WANT TO START HAVING ACCESS TO OUTDOOR DINING, THEY NEED TO RESUBMIT IN ORDER TO MEET THE CRITERIA BECAUSE THAT WAS UNDER AN EMERGENCY CONDITION AND IT'S NO LONGER IN PLAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YOU ANY OTHER COMMENTS? AND THIS IS BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD.

OR DO YOU HAVE ANY? OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? MADAM CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

YES. ALL RIGHT.

GO AHEAD. YES. IN IN LIGHT OF WHAT BILL JUST SAID.

IS THERE A MECHANISM TO REVIEW THE EXISTING OUTDOOR? AND ERAS TO DETERMINE ANY SAFETY ISSUES.

THE THING IS, THAT'S GRANDFATHERING.

RIGHT. SO THE THING IS, IS THAT THEY'RE ALREADY ESTABLISHED AND IN PLACE.

AND SO WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT'S NEWLY ESTABLISHED MOVING FORWARD.

BUT AS FAR AS WHAT'S THERE, IT IS THERE.

MY QUESTION REALLY IS, IS THERE AN INSPECTION PROCESS FOR RESTAURANTS? AND DOES DOES THAT INSPECTION PROCESS ADDRESS SAFETY ISSUES FOR THE ONES THAT HAVE OUTDOOR SEATING?

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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE WHERE THEY HAVE HAD TO HAVE A PERMIT FOR OUTDOOR DINING IN THE PAST TO BE COVERED UNDER THE GRANDFATHER CLAUSE.

SO WHAT WE HAVE FOUND IN THE PAST IS THAT THE ONES THAT ARE CURRENTLY ESTABLISHED, LIKE THE EXAMPLES WE GAVE OF DUNKIN DONUTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, IT WAS PART OF AN APPROVED SITE PLAN.

AND SO WE WANT TO HAVE PARAMETERS FOR AN APPROVED SITE PLAN.

THOSE WERE APPROVED, RIGHT? BUT IF YOU HAVE AN EXISTING PLAZA, SAY, AND THEY WANT TO HAVE AN OUTDOOR DINING AREA, WE NEED TO HAVE PARAMETERS FOR THEM TO BE IN COMPLIANCE AS WELL.

IF I UNDERSTAND YOU, IF IT WASN'T ON THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN, THEN THEY DIDN'T GET THAT APPROVAL FOR THE OUTDOOR DINING.

THAT'S CORRECT. SO THESE.

TWO BILLS ISSUED.

THE ONES THAT WERE PUT UP DURING COVID.

MAY NOT BE APPROVED.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT WAS ON AN APPROVED SITE PLAN OR NOT.

I CAN'T SPEAK TO HOW BEEF O'BRADY'S OUTDOOR DINING CAME TO BE.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. CASE IS BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR A MOTION OR MORE DISCUSSION.

A MOTION MOTION TO APPROVE T 23 000016.

AND I JUST WANT TO RESPOND TO BILL BILL'S COMMENTS.

IF IF THE OUTDOOR DINING CREATES ENCROACHES ON SIDEWALKS, CREATES A HAZARDOUS CONDITIONS OR ANY OTHER TYPE, THAT WOULD BE A CODE VIOLATION.

CAN HAVE MINIMUM. SORRY.

WE DO HAVE A MINIMUM SEPARATION OF FOUR FEET FOR ADA COMPLIANCE JUST AS A HEADS UP.

SO THAT WOULD BE A CODE COMPLIANCE ISSUE AS WELL.

SORRY, MR. OLSZEWSKI, I'LL SECOND THE MOTION.

MADAM CHAIR. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. WEINBERG, SECOND BY MR. OLSZEWSKI. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU. MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

IS THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESS FROM STAFF? YEAH. WE'RE DISMISSED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.