Mar 07, 2019 Council Meetings - Regular

[Call to Order]

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I'M GOING TO BRING OUR REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER.

INVOCATION TODAY AS HE WALKED IN WILL BE LED BY PASTOR SPELLMAN AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE WILL BE BY COUNCILMAN SANTIAGO.

PLEASE RISE.

ALMIGHTY GOD AS WE BEGIN THIS SESSION HERE OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

HOW GRATEFUL WE ARE THAT WE CAN FIND YOUR PRESENCE HERE AND YOU'VE BROUGHT PEACE TO EACH OF US.

WE MAY HAVE SOME CHALLENGES TO MAKE BUT WE KNOW THAT WE CAN RECEIVE HEARING HERE IN THIS PLACE BECAUSE YOU'VE MADE THIS OUR CITY A GREAT CITY.

AND WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO GROW.

WE'RE LEARNING TO BUILD A CITY TO YOU.

AND WHEN WE BUILD A CITY TO YOU WE CAN BUILD ROADS.

WE CAN DO ANYTHING THAT YOU WILL PERMIT AND YOU WANT US TO HAVE A GOOD LIFE.

AND WE'RE FINDING IT WITH ALL THE JOY AND HOPE AND PEACE THAT'S AVAILABLE.

YOU'RE A GREAT AND WONDERFUL GOD.

AND MAY YOUR NAME BE PRAISED THROUGH JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD.

IT'S GREAT TO KNOW THAT YOU LOVE EACH OF US AS IF WE WERE THE ONLY ONE TO LOVE.

WE'RE SPECIAL PEOPLE EACH OF US.

BUT YET YOU CAN DO THAT FOR EACH OF US AND OUR FAMILIES.

AND WE PRAY FOR THE HEALTH AND STRENGTH OF OUR LEADERS AND CERTAINLY WE THANK YOU FOR THEIR GIFT OF TIME AND TALENT.

AND THE HOPE THAT THEY CAN BRING TO EACH OF US AS THEY MAKE THE DECISIONS THAT ARE BEFORE THEM. WE THANK YOU FOR THE STAFF FOR THE POLICE THE FIRE AND ALL.

WE COULD GO ON OUR FATHER.

EVERYBODY DESERVES PRAISE AND CERTAINLY EACH PERSON WHO'S COME TO SHARE LIFE AND HOPE AND JOY WITH US.

AND SO MAY YOUR NAME BE PRAISED.

PRAY IN JESUS NAME AND THEY ALL SAID AMEN.

THANK YOU MR. SPELLMAN. TERRI ROLL CALL. MAYOR CAPOTE. HERE.

DEPUTY MAYOR ANDERSON.

HERE. COUNCILMAN SANTIAGO. HERE.

COUNCILMAN BAILEY.

HERE. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. MRS. MORRELL. HERE. MRS. SMITH. HERE.

[Announcements]

YES SIR WE HAVE THREE VACANCIES ON THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ADVISORY BOARD REPRESENTS FOR PROFIT PROVIDER ACTIVELY ENGAGED IN HOMEBUILDING AND ESSENTIAL SERVICE PERSONNEL'S POSITIONS. TWO VACANCIES ON THE BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT MUST BE LOCATED WITHIN THE DISTRICT REPRESENTING ONE INSTITUTION OF HIGHER EDUCATION COLLEGE OR UNIVERSITY AND ONE BANK OR FINANCIAL INSTITUTION.

ANYBODY WISHING TO SERVE ON THESE BOARDS CAN APPLY ONLINE AT PALMBAYFLORIDA.ORG OR CONTACT THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE AT 952 3414.

THANK YOU.

DEPUTY MAYOR ANDERSON.

AGENDA REVISIONS MRS. MORRELL.

[Agenda Revisions & Consent Agenda]

GOOD QUALIFICATION.

THANK YOU.

MRS. SMITH.

NO REVISIONS.

CONSENT AGENDA.

YES SIR WE HAVE NUMBER 5 6 7 9 AND 10 ALL UNDER NEW BUSINESS BEING BOLD.

OK. ANYTHING ELSE COUNCIL? IF NOT I'M GONNA NEED A MOTION.

MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH THE ADDITION OF NEW BUSINESS NUMBER 1 AND NUMBER 8 REVISIONS AND THE REMOVAL OF 5 6 7 9 AND 10 FROM CONSENT AGENDA UNDER NEW BUSINESS.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BAILEY.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION COUNCIL? IF NOT I'M GOING TO CALL IT.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY ON AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED SAY NAY. MOTION CARRIES. MRS. SMITH.

RESOLUTION NUMBER 2019-07 A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY BREVARD COUNTY FLORIDA AMENDING RESOLUTION 2019-02 SECTION 3.

MODIFYING PROVISIONS RELATED TO THE COMMENCEMENT PERIOD THE CONDITIONAL USE GRANTED FOR A MINING EXCAVATION OPERATION IN GU GENERAL USE HOLDING DISTRICT ZONING WHICH PROPERTY IS LOCATED WEST OF AND ADJACENT TO BABCOCK STREET IN THE VICINITY NORTH OF CENTERLANE ROAD PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

ORDINANCE NUMBER 2019-17 ORDINANCE OR THE CITY OF PALM BAY BREVARD COUNTY FLORIDA.

AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TITLE 5 LEGISLATIVE CHAPTER 52 BOARDS SUBCHAPTER

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2019-18 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY COUNTY FLORIDA AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TITLE 5 LEGISLATIVE CHAPTER 52 BOARDS SUBCHAPTER MUNICIPAL CHARTER SCHOOL AUTHORITY BY REPEALING SECTION 52.260 THROUGH 52.269 DISSOLVING MUNICIPAL CHARTER SCHOOL AUTHORITY, PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES AND CONFLICT HEREWITH PROVIDED FOR A DELETION FROM THE CITY OF PALM BAY CODE OF ORDINANCES PROVIDING FOR A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. 2019-19 AN ORDINANCE THAT THE CITY OF PALM BAY COUNTY FLORIDA AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TITLE 5 LEGISLATIVE CHAPTER 52 BOARDS SUBCHAPTER GENERAL LIABILITY RISK MANAGEMENT PROGRAM MODIFYING PROVISIONS RELATED TO THE SUPERVISION OF THE RISK MANAGEMENT PROGRAM PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT HERE WITH PROVIDING FOR INCLUSION IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY CODE OF ORDINANCES PROVIDING FOR A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU MR. SMITH.

MOVING ON TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.

[Public Comments/Responses]

GOOD EVENING.

AARON PARR 1360 CANAVA AVENUE NORTHWEST PALM BAY 32907.

I COME BEARING SOME GOOD NEWS.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS EVENT COURT KINGS TO STOP THE BULLYING EVENT APRIL 27TH AND WE HAD ENTERED INTO THIS IDEA THAT WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE SOME THINGS HAPPEN BEFORE WE COULD CONFIRM AND LOCK IT IN AND I'M WANTING TO SAY TO YOU TODAY WE DID CONFIRM AND LOCK IN THE DAY APRIL 27TH.

WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE EVENT IN FACT HAPPENING DEFINITELY.

WE WERE SPEAKING WITH VICTOR MARTINEZ TODAY EARLIER.

THEY'RE ACTUALLY ON THE ROAD RIGHT NOW TO NORTH CAROLINA TO DO AN EVENT AND WE ARE VERY PLEASED MOVING FORWARD.

WE REACHED KIND OF A THRESHOLD WHERE WE WANTED TO GET TO AND FELT COMFORTABLE THAT WE WILL FINISH OUR GOAL.

ALSO I'VE DISTRIBUTED TO SEVERAL OF YOU UP ON THE DAIS BUT I'M HAPPY TO DISTRIBUTE TO ANYONE ELSE HERE IN ATTENDANCE OR ALSO GET THE NEWS OUT THAT ONE OF THE PARTNERS IN THE EVENT LONGHORN STEAKHOUSE WHILE THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO JUST WRITE A CHECK TO THE EVENT THEY HAVE OFFERED UP TWO DIFFERENT NIGHTS FOR COMMUNITY SUPPORT THERE.

THEY CALL THIS RAISING THE STEAKS.

I LOVE THE NAME THERE.

I LOVE STEAKS TOO BUT ALSO THEY'RE GIVING BACK A PORTION OF ALL PROCEEDS FOR THAT EVENING AND THEN ANOTHER EVENING IN APRIL I'M GOING TO COME BACK AND REMIND YOU GUYS AGAIN THAT WE ALL NEED TO GO OUT TO EAT AND DO IT AGAIN THAT THOSE FUNDS WILL ALL GO TO THIS EVENT AND HELP MAKING SURE THIS STUFF HAPPENS AND REALLY MAKING THE MOST BANG FOR OUR BUCK AT THE EVENT AND GETTING THE NEWS OUT.

SO I WANT TO STRESS A BIG THANK YOU ON BEHALF OF BAYSIDE HIGH SCHOOL AND PUTTING THIS EVENT ON FOR THE COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HELP IN PARTNERING WITH US.

BILL BATTIN WITH PRESENTATION. BILL BATTIN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SW.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF PHOTOS I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS AS I'M TALKING TONIGHT. THIS IS ON GAYNOR DRIVE WHERE BAY RIDGE DEVELOPMENT PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT IS COMING INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT'S ON GAYNOR ROAD AND THAT'S WHAT I KEEP TELLING TO EXPLAIN AND WHAT GAYNOR ROAD IS.

YOU MIGHT UNDERSTAND WHAT THE IMPACT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO TALK ABOUT FOR THE LAST YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR.

THIS FIRST PICTURE THIS IS GOING DOWN GAYNOR DRIVE HEADED SOUTH.

NOTICE THE CURVE IN THE ROAD THAT COMES OUT TO YOUR LEFT HAND SIDE.

THAT'S BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE THE CONSTRUCTION BARRIER, THEIR SILK SCREEN THAT'S OUT THERE THAT ACTUALLY JUTS OUT INTO THE STREET THAT FAR.

THAT'S WHERE THE PROPERTY IS. ALL RIGHT. ITEM NO. 2.

THIS IS WHERE THEY'VE CLOSED THE ROAD HALFWAY DOWN THEIR PROPERTY NOT DOWN THE STREET. ABOUT HALFWAY THROUGH THEIR PROPERTY GAYNOR ROAD IS CLOSED.

NOW I'M GOING TO GO BACK IN TIMEFRAME WHERE I ADDRESSED: ARE THEY GOING TO CLOSE GAYNOR ROAD OR IS GAYNOR ROAD GOING TO BE OPEN? WELL YOU'RE GOING TO SEE OVER A PERIOD OF THIS PRESENTATION VERY RAPIDLY THAT THEY OPEN AND CLOSE AND THEY MOVE THE BARRIERS LEFT AND RIGHT WHEREVER THEY WANT.

SO THE BERM HAS BEEN REMOVED.

SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WAS THE ROAD OPEN OR WAS THE ROAD CLOSED? NEXT STREET THIS IS ON THE SOUTH END OF THE PROPERTY.

YOU SEE THE PAVEMENT? THAT'S WHERE GAYNOR ROAD ACTUALLY IS.

THEY'RE REROUTING THE TRAFFIC UP THROUGH ALONG THE POWER LINES THROUGH TRAFFIC.

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I KEEP TRYING TO EXPRESS THAT.

NEXT PICTURE PLEASE.

THIS IS ON THE SOUTH ROAD CONNECTING TO THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

THIS IS WHAT'S OPEN TO LOCAL TRAFFIC TO GET TO AND FROM THEIR HOUSES.

WHERE DO YOU GO TO GET BY THEIR VEHICLES? HOW DO YOU GET BY THEM? WHERE DO YOU HAVE TO GO TO? NEXT PICTURE PLEASE.

ON THIS WHEN I'M HEADING NORTH UP GAYNOR DRIVE I PULLED TO THE SIDE TO LET A DUMP TRUCK THAT WAS HAULING DOWN GAYNOR ROAD WHERE THEY WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE DRIVING TO BEGIN WITH DOWN GAYNOR.

I PULLED OVER TO LET THEM GET THROUGH.

DOES THAT LOOK LIKE THEY'RE NOT ABUSING THE ROAD THAT THEY WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE USING? OK. NEXT PICTURE PLEASE.

THIS IS GAYNOR DRIVE.

THAT'S MY VEHICLE IN THE ROAD WHERE THE DUMP TRUCKS HAVE BEEN DRIVING DOWN GAYNOR ROAD.

I'M LUCKY THAT IT WAS NOT RAINY OUT.

IF IT WOULD HAVE BEEN MUD I WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET THROUGH AND I'M IN A PICKUP TRUCK. I FEEL SORRY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO DRIVE OFF THAT THAT ARE IN SMALL VEHICLES. THEY WOULDN'T MAKE IT.

NEXT PICTURE PLEASE.

THAT WAS THE LAST PICTURE.

MY BAD.

I APOLOGIZE.

OK.

NOW I KNOW THAT THIS DEVELOPER HE IS GOING TO PAY OR PAVE PART OF HIS ROAD WHICH IS GOING TO GO ALL THE WAY UP TO FAIRBANKS WHICH IS A GRAND TOTAL OF ONE BLOCK OF THIS ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT NOT THIS ENTIRE STREET.

I'M OUT OF TIME AND I WOULD LIKE TO TELL YOU THE REST OF IT BUT IT BASICALLY GOING TO BOIL BACK DOWN TO NOVEMBER 2ND 2017.

CHECK YOUR MINUTES.

I ASKED FOR TIF FUNDING TO PAY FOR THIS ROAD AND THIS COUNCIL SAID YES.

I WANT TO SEE THAT IN THERE SOMEHOW.

OK. NOVEMBER 2ND 2017 TIME 21:36 WHERE THIS COUNCIL SAID THEY WOULD PROVIDE TIF FUNDING FOR THIS ROAD.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU BILL.

NEXT PERSON.

SANTA ISABELLA WRIGHT.

GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.

MY NAME IS ISABEL WRIGHT AND I'M THE PRESIDENT OF FLORIDA PUERTO RICAN HISPANIC CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND I'M HERE TONIGHT TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF THE LACK OF PARTICIPATION FROM THE CITY OF PALM BAY IN THE HISPANIC EXPO THAT'S ON SATURDAY.

WE HAVE BEEN PARTNERS WITH THE CITY OF PALM BAY FOR MANY YEARS AND I UNDERSTAND THAT MR. LOPEZ HAS CONTACTED NUMEROUS OF THE CITY COUNCILS AS WELL AS OUR CITY MANAGER TO DISCUSS THE SITUATION.

I'VE REACHED OUT TO COUNCILMAN JOHNSON AS WELL.

WE ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON THIS YEAR WITH THE PARTICIPATION.

OUR CHAMBER AND I CHALLENGE ANYONE TO QUESTION HAS PROVIDED MORE SERVICES TO THE CITY OF PALM BAY THAN ANY OTHER CHAMBER.

AND WE CONTINUE TO DO SO HAPPILY.

WE BROUGHT THE EXPO TO THE CITY OF PALM BAY I WOULD SAY FIVE YEARS AGO.

IT HAD ALWAYS BEEN THE CITY OF MELBOURNE AND I MADE THE DECISION TO BRING IT TO MY CITY BECAUSE I LIVE HERE AND IT WILL BRING TRAFFIC AND IT WILL BRING MORE BUSINESSES TO COME HERE. THE ISSUE HAS BEEN SINCE THE NEW ADMINISTRATION THAT WE ONLY RECEIVED THE PALM BAY POLICE DEPARTMENT'S APPLICATION FOR PARTICIPATION.

IN THE PAST YEARS WE HAVE HAD PROCUREMENT, HUMAN RESOURCES, FIRE DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND A COUPLE OF OTHERS PARKS AND RECREATION.

THIS YEAR WE ONLY GOT ONE PERSON COME IN REPRESENTING EVERY DEPARTMENT EXCEPT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND WE ARE QUESTIONING WHAT IS GOING ON BECAUSE AS I EXPRESSED OUR CHAMBER PROVIDES A LOT OF SERVICES TO THE CITY AND WE WANT TO KNOW WHY THE LACK OF PARTICIPATION NOW BECAUSE EVERYBODY SITTING ON THAT COUNCIL HAS HAD THE HELP OF THE HISPANIC COMMUNITY TO GET ELECTED AND WE DEMAND TO FIND OUT WHAT IS GOING ON.

BECAUSE A LOT OF PROMISES GET MADE WHEN YOU'RE RUNNING FOR OFFICE SO WE WANT TO AND EXPECT YOU GUYS TO SUPPORT US AND LET US KNOW AND INCLUDE US IN EVENTS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN THE CITY.

SO I'M HERE TO FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON AND TO TRY TO GET AN ANSWER.

WE DON'T GET INTO THE BACK AND FORTH.

I UNDERSTAND THAT BUT I SAID WE HAD CONTACTED YOU GUYS AND NUMEROUS OF YOU MR. SANTIAGO MR. JOHNSON AND I BELIEVE MR. ANDERSON AS WELL HAS SAID THAT YOU WERE GONNA BRING IT UP IN DISCUSSIONS.

SO I JUST WANT TO FIND OUT WHEN THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IF IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AT ALL.

IT'S AFTER.

RIGHT AFTER PUBLIC COMMENTS WE'LL ADDRESS IT.

OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

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GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS LAUREN DELGADO.

I LIVE AT 1492 CASS AVENUE IN PALM BAY.

IT'S 32907.

I'M JUST LOOKING FOR SOME CLARITY AND HELP ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT GOING ON ALONG THE CULVERTS. OUR HOUSE SITS IN FRONT OF THE SMALL PATCHES OF WOODS BEFORE THE CULVERTS AND HAD A WORKER IN MY YARD THIS WEEK JUST TELLING ME ABOUT THE FLATTENING OF THE WHOLE AREA.

SO I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE MAYBE IT'S INSIGNIFICANT BUT AN INSIGNIFICANT ISSUE BUT I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF PALM BAY SINCE 1989.

MY HUSBAND WAS BORN HERE.

WE'RE HOMEOWNERS IN PALM BAY.

WE'RE RAISING FOUR CHILDREN HERE AND OUR HOUSE SITS ON THAT LITTLE STRIP OF WOODS AS TINY AS IT SEEMS IT SHELTERS MANY OF OUR NATIVE PALMS OUR PINES.

I COULD NAME PROBABLY ABOUT A DOZEN BIRDS THAT WE WITNESS DAILY.

BLUE JAYS CARDINALS DOVES BUNTINGS WOODPECKERS AND THE LIST GOES ON AND SO IT JUST WAS DISHEARTENING TO HEAR THAT ACCORDING TO THE WORKER.

THAT'S WHY I'M HERE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS ALL TRUE THAT EVERYTHING WOULD HAVE TO BE FLATTENED INCLUDING SOME OF OUR NATIVE TREES.

SO MY QUESTION IS JUST WHILE CONSIDERING THIS PROJECT WHAT IS THE EFFECT ON THE LOCAL WILDLIFE AND IF THAT'S EVEN TRUE IF EVERYTHING'S BEING FLATTENED.

SO I'M JUST SPEAKING TONIGHT.

I KNOW THAT THERE'S NO ANSWERS TO TONIGHT BUT I'M JUST SPEAKING TONIGHT JUST HOPING THAT PALM BAY IS NOT HEAVY HANDED IN OUR DEVELOPMENT AND ALTHOUGH THESE AREAS ARE SMALL WE'VE BEEN ENTRUSTED WITH THE WILDLIFE THAT LIVES HERE AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN CONSIDER IF THOSE TREES DON'T NEED TO BE COMPLETELY FLATTENED IF THEY DON'T OBSTRUCT OR HINDER THE WORK OF THE CULVERT EXPANSION AS THE WORKER EXPLAINED IT THAT THEY WOULDN'T BE FLATTENED.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR SERVICE TO OUR CITY AND FOR THE LISTENING.

TOM REDMOND.

GOOD EVENING MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

I WOULD LIKE.

THE REASON I'M COMING TO SPEAK TONIGHT IS THERE'S SOME GLARING THINGS THAT I THINK WE NEED TO PROGRESS TO AS A CITY BECAUSE AS WE STARTED THIS JOURNEY AND LET ME BACK UP A LITTLE BIT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOMELESSNESS AND SCHEDULING ANOTHER WORKSHOP.

WE HAD SUCH A MOMENTUM.

WE STARTED OUR COLD NIGHT SHELTER.

WE GOT ALL THE PROCEDURES IN PLACE WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

EVERYTHING WAS ROLLING WONDERFULLY.

BUT THERE IS STILL SOME REAL GLARING HOLES AND THINGS THAT NEED TO BE SOLVED.

AND I SENT YOU GUYS AN EMAIL ON THIS BUT WE STILL DON'T HAVE ANYBODY PROVIDING BASIC HUMAN NEEDS AT OUR CITY AND NO PLAN TO GET A NON-PROFIT IN OUR AREA TO DO THAT.

SO I WANT TO HAVE A WORKSHOP TO DISCUSS THAT ALONG WITH HOW WE'RE GOING TO PARTNER WITH OR WHO WE'RE GOING TO GET TO PROVIDE STREET OUTREACH BECAUSE CURRENTLY WE HAVE A LOT OF LOW HANGING FRUIT THAT WE COULD GET OFF THE STREETS FOR ALMOST NO MONEY IF WE JUST HAD SOMEBODY OUT THERE INTERACTING WITH THEM AND CONNECTING THEM TO SERVICES.

WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY PUTTING THEM IN THE HOMELESS SYSTEM.

THE BREVARD HOMELESS COALITION AND BREVARD COUNTY POLICY IS TO USE 211 AS THEIR INTAKE SYSTEM. AND AND I'M NOT IN ANY WAY DISPARAGING 211 BUT IT'S NOT EFFECTIVE AND OUR PEOPLE AREN'T BEING SERVED.

WE REALLY NEED A PORTAL OF ENTRY FOR OUR CITIZENS TO GET IN THE SYSTEM TO GET ANY HELP OR THEY DON'T GET ANY OF THE MONEY.

AND SINCE WE HAVE NO NON-PROFITS SERVING PALM BAY REALLY NOTHING'S HAPPENING DOWN HERE.

WE HAVE SEVERE MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT SHORTFALLS.

WE HAVE ISSUES WE NEED TO DEAL WITH WITH LANDLORDS WITH PEOPLE WITH FELONIES THAT HAVE JOBS THAT WE COULD GET HOUSED BUT THEY WON'T HOUSE THEM BECAUSE THEY HAVE A FELONY OR THEY HAVE CREDIT ISSUES.

NONE OF THOSE THINGS ARE BEING WORKED ON SO TO SUMMARIZE WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IS MAYBE EVEN SOME KIND OF CITY 211 TYPE NUMBER WHERE WE CAN CAPTURE THE DATA OF THESE PEOPLE AND TRACK THEM CRADLE TO GRAVE TO ENSURE THEY'RE GETTING HELP.

THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS WE COULD DISCUSS BUT I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU THAT TONIGHT WHEN YOU PROCEED INTO BUSINESS THAT YOU MAYBE DISCUSS SCHEDULING ANOTHER WORKSHOP ON HOMELESSNESS.

AND LET ME SAY THIS: I CAN'T THANK EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU ENOUGH FOR ALL THE PROGRESS WE'VE MADE ALREADY.

AND I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO PUSHING INTO THE FUTURE AND MAKING A DIFFERENCE IN OUR CITY.

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THANK YOU TOM. THOMAS GAUME.

THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. IF MEMBERS OF COUNCIL WHILE THEY'RE BRINGING UP MY PRESENTATION HERE FIRST THING I'D LIKE TO DO IS EXPRESS MY CONDOLENCES TO THE DEPUTY MAYOR FOR YOUR LOSS AND YOU AND YOUR FAMILY ARE IN OUR PRAYERS.

I WILL START OFF BY SAYING I WISH THIS COUNCIL WAS MORE LIKE HARRY TRUMAN.

ALTHOUGH OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE AISLE FROM MY CONSERVATIVE VALUES HE UNDERSTOOD THAT THE BUCK STOPS HERE.

AND THE BUCK STOPS HERE AT THIS POINT MEANS RIGHT THERE AT THE DAIS WITH THE FIVE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS BECAUSE YOU CAN DELEGATE YOUR AUTHORITY BUT NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY.

I'M GONNA GO OVER THE TIMELINE EVENTS WITH THE CHARTER BRIEFLY.

WE FORMED IN DECEMBER 26TH.

JANUARY 27TH WE GOT OUR SIGNATURE SHEETS BACK 22 DAYS LATE JULY 18TH.

THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS HELD TRAINING FOR ALL THE CITY CLERKS AND AT THAT TIME SHE BECAME AWARE WE HAD A PETITION ON THE STREETS AND EXPRESSED THAT SHE NEEDED THE DATE OF BIRTH AND VOTER I.D.

ON OUR SIGNATURE PAGES.

NOVEMBER 1ST I HANDED IN THE PETITION.

NOVEMBER 6TH ON ELECTION DAY NO LESS THE PETITION WAS DELIVERED TO THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS OFFICE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS BECAUSE THE CITY WAS TRYING TO TAKE IT THERE ON HER BUSIEST DAY OF THE TWO YEAR CYCLE AND TRY TO MAKE OUR PROBLEM HER PROBLEM.

FEBRUARY 1ST 87 DAYS LATER IT WAS FINALLY DISCLOSED THE PETITION COMMITTEE THAT THE PETITION HAD BEEN NOT ACCEPTED BY THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS.

SO FOR 87 DAYS IT SAT IN CITY HALL WITH NO ACTION.

FEBRUARY 21ST COUNCIL DECIDED RATHER THAN PUTTING THE PETITION LANGUAGE BEFORE THE VOTERS TO FILE A WRIT OF MANDAMUS AGAINST SUPERVISOR OF ELECTION.

MARCH 1ST WRIT OF MANDAMUS SUIT FOR INJUNCTIVE RELIEF WAS FILED WITH THE BREVARD COUNTY CLERK OF COURTS. SO DELAYS BY THE CITY ALL TOLD EQUALS 144 DAYS. 144 DAYS THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH ITS OWN CHARTER.

53 DAYS MORE THAN THE TIME SINCE THE VOTERS PASSED $150 MILLION BOND REFERENDUM THAT THE CITY COUNCIL IS QUICKLY ACTING ON WHILE CONTINUING TO DO NOTHING, NOTHING ABOUT THE CITIZENS PETITION.

LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING MAYOR I APOLOGIZE.

YOU AND I USUALLY SEE EYE TO EYE BUT I'M GOING TO CALL YOU OUT ON THIS BECAUSE ON THE AGENDA YOU SIGNED YOUR NAME TO THIS LEGISLATIVE MEMORANDUM. YOU INTRODUCED IT AND THEN DID NOTHING TO SUPPORT IT.

DIDN'T PASS THE GAVEL, DIDN'T MAKE A MOTION.

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

ACTUALLY YOU VOTED AGAINST IT BY OPTING TO GO WITH THE LAWSUIT.

SO AGAIN IT IS WHAT IT IS.

WHATEVER COUNCIL DECIDES I'M GOOD WITH.

BUT YOU CAN DELEGATE YOUR AUTHORITY BUT NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. THE REASON I CALL THIS A FRIVOLOUS LAWSUIT IS BECAUSE THE FLORIDA SUPREME COURT HAS ESTABLISHED THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CLEAR AND CERTAIN RIGHT AND ALSO IT'S KNOWN YOU CAN'T DICTATE TO THE SUPERVISORS OF ELECTIONS.

ONE LAST THING I'LL LEAVE YOU WITH.

I HAVE A MESSAGE FROM THE GOVERNOR.

IF YOU'LL GO TO THE LAST SLIDE PLEASE. NEXT SLIDE AND PLAY THAT.

ALEXANDER HAMILTON WROTE THAT ENERGY IN THE EXECUTIVE IS THE LEADING CHARACTER OF THE DEFINITION OF GOOD GOVERNMENT.

I AGREE.

SO LET THERE BE NO MISUNDERSTANDING.

AS GOVERNOR I WILL LEAD WITH PURPOSE AND CONVICTION ON BEHALF OF THE PEOPLE OF FLORIDA.

IF THE LEGISLATURE ENGAGES IN WASTEFUL SPENDING I WILL VETO IT.

IF LOCAL OFFICIAL ISN'T RESPECTFUL OF REQUIRED DUTIES I WILL REMOVE THAT OFFICIAL.

WITH THAT THANK YOU.

144 DAYS IS A LONG TIME AND I QUESTION HOW YOU SLEEP WELL AT NIGHT.

THANK YOU.

MR. SPELLMAN.

TOM JORDAN. 2141 MADDEN.

AT A RECENT COUNCIL MEETING SOMEONE COMPLAINED ABOUT WASTE MANAGEMENT.

THAT HAS NOT BEEN MY EXPERIENCE AT ALL AND I THOUGHT IT APPROPRIATE TO COUNTER THAT WITH

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I LIVE ON A DIRT ROAD IN SOUTHWEST PALM BAY IN A REMOTE AREA AND OUR SERVICE HAS BEEN EXCELLENT. WHEN I CALL THEM AND TELL THEM I HAVE YARD DEBRIS TO PICK UP USUALLY THEY'RE THERE WITHIN A DAY OR TWO AND WE'VE HAD EXCELLENT SERVICE FROM THE WASTE MANAGEMENT.

DISTRESSES ME TO SEE ALL THE TRASH ON THE STREET.

APPARENTLY PEOPLE WHEN THEY MOVE THEY JUST TAKE ALL THEIR JUNK THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO MOVE AND THEY PUT IT OUT ON THE STREET AND I'VE SEEN WASTE MANAGEMENT CREW OUT THERE WITH THEIR DUMP TRUCK PICKING IT UP BY HAND AND PUTTING IT IN THE TRUCK.

I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE TO DO THAT.

I THINK IF THERE IS AN ORDINANCE AGAINST THAT THEN THE ORDINANCE SHOULD BE ENFORCED AND THAT WASTE MANAGEMENT SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT.

BUT I'VE BEEN VERY PLEASED WITH THEIR SERVICE.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU MR. JORDAN. MR. SPELLMAN.

I'VE BEEN COMING TO COUNCIL MEETINGS OFF AND ON AND WHAT HAS BEEN MY GOAL ALL THE TIME I BECAME. YOU HAVE ONE WORD IN THE IN THE OPENING STATEMENTS OF OUR CITY WE'RE A NATION AND GOD THE WORD GOD IS MENTIONED AND IT'S BEEN MY DUTY I THINK AND RESPONSIBILITY JUST TO CONTINUE TO REMIND YOU WHO THAT GOD IS AND HOW YOU SERVE HIM AND HOW HE HAS SERVED US.

AND GOD HAS MADE HIMSELF KNOWN TO YOU AND TO ME THROUGH THE HOLY SCRIPTURES THERE AND WE NEED TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT HIM.

WE CAN GET AN ANSWER TO MOST OF OUR CHALLENGES HERE AND YOU CAN DO THAT. THEY CAME OVER ON THE MAYFLOWER.

THERE ARE CERTAIN TYPES OF PEOPLE AND THEY SET THE MOTIONS IN ORDER AND SO WE MOVE ON AND WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT THEY SAID AND WHAT THEY WANTED SAID THERE. BECAUSE THEN YOU BEGIN TO HAVE THE BASIS FOR A SMOOTHER OPERATION THAT WE HAVE WITHIN OUR CITY BECAUSE WE HAVE A GREAT GREAT HISTORY. AND I'M JUST THINKING OF HARRY TRUMAN.

I REMEMBER HARRY.

I WAS ALIVE AT THAT TIME.

I WAS A TEENAGER BUT THEN I WAS STILL ALIVE AND PAYING ATTENTION AND I QUOTE HIM QUITE OFTEN. HE'S THE ONE WHO STARTED TO SAY THAT WHEN THE BUCK NEEDS DEALING WITH THE BUCK STOPS HERE WITH ME.

I WILL MAKE A DECISION.

AND I GUESS HE HELD UP TO THAT RIGHT AT THAT POINT. SO LIFE IS MEANT TO BE GOOD IN THIS COUNTRY AND IT IS GOOD IF WE PAY ATTENTION TO HOW GOD HAS STRUCTURED IT AND HOW OUR FOREFATHERS AND MOTHERS HAVE STRUCTURED IT.

AND I JUST WANTED TO READ THE FRUITS OF THE SPIRIT. THIS IS A BOOK.

I'VE GIVEN YOU THIS ASSIGNMENT BEFORE.

I HOPE YOU'VE USED IT.

OVER IN GALATIANS IN THE 5TH CHAPTER YOU READ THE FRUITS OF THE SPIRIT.

AND THESE ARE GIFTS OF GOD BUT GOD ALREADY CHALLENGES WHAT'S WRONG JUST BEFORE THAT.

IF I READ ALL OF THAT I'LL USE MY THREE MINUTES UP AND REAL QUICK LIKE. BUT HERE'S WHAT GOD HAS GIVEN US HERE.

HE SAID WHEN YOU'RE LIVING LIFE HERE ARE THE THINGS TO REALLY PAY ATTENTION TO.

AND HERE IT IS.

BUT THE FRUITS OF THE SPIRIT.

WHAT'S THE FIRST THING? LOVE. WHAT'S THE SECOND ONE? JOY. THE THIRD? PEACE. YOU DON'T GO TO THE GROCERY STORE AND GET THESE THINGS.

YOU DON'T MANUFACTURE THEM SOMEWHERE ELSE.

THEY'RE A GIFT. AND WE HAVE TO RECEIVE IT AND LET THAT SPIRIT WORK WITHIN US TO MAKE THE DIFFERENCE THAT GOD WANTS TO MAKE.

AND SO THEN WHAT'S THE OTHER ONE? PATIENCE.

OH MOST PEOPLE WANT TO SAY GIVE ME PATIENCE RIGHT NOW AND GENTLENESS GOODNESS FAITH.

AND THEN THIS IS A PESKY WORD YOU'LL HAVE TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT IT MEEKNESS.

AND THEN WHAT'S THE LAST ONE? SELF-CONTROL. THESE ARE GIFTS OF GOD THAT HOW WE DEAL WITH EACH OTHER.

BUT WE NEED TO FIRST DEAL WITH HIM.

LET HIM SPEAK TO US AND THEN WE CAN GET THE MESSAGE AS TO HOW TO DO IT, HOW TO OVERCOME THE THINGS THAT ARE LISTED ABOVE HERE. SO ONE FURTHER ANNOUNCEMENT.

THIS IS A COMMERCIAL.

WE HAVE THE GRACIOUS LADY SPEAKING TO THE NEON GROUP NEXT MONDAY NIGHT AT FROM 6:00 TO 7:00 AND WE'LL EXTEND IT IF IT GETS AS INTERESTING AS I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE.

GEE WE HAVE GOOD LEADERSHIP.

LET'S FOLLOW IT AND LET'S GET BEHIND IT AND LET'S KEEP MOVING ON.

BUT WE'VE GOT GREAT POTENTIAL AND OUR CITY CAN REALLY GROW.

TO GOD BE THE GLORY. AND I WANTED TO SING THE 31ST YOU SOUNDED FORTH THE TRUMPET THAT SHALL NEVER SOUND RETREAT.

HE IS SHIFTING OUT THE HEARTS OF MEN BEFORE HIS JUDGMENT SEAT.

OH BE SWIFT MY SOUL TO ANSWER HIM BE JUBILANT MY FEET ARE GOD IS MARCHING ON.

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NO I HAVE TO HAVE A MEETING MR. SPELLMAN. [LAUGHTER] WELL I NEED TO GET UP AND EXERCISE.

I GUESS I'LL MAKE MY EXIT BECAUSE I'VE APPRECIATED ALWAYS BEING HERE AND HEARING THIS IS THE KIND OF DEBATE WE NEED.

WE LISTEN TO EACH OTHER.

THE ONLY THING IS I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW YOU SOLVE SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED. BUT FELLAS GENTLEMEN LADIES YOU'VE GOT A BIG JOB.

IT'S OUR JOB TOO TO SEE THAT IT'S DONE WELL AND TO BE PRAYING FOR YOU.

PRAYING FOR STRENGTH THAT YOU GET AND YOU'LL RECEIVE IT IF YOU ASK FOR IT.

THAT'S THE GREAT GOD THAT WE WORSHIP AND LOVE.

THANK YOU MR. SPELLMAN. GET HOME SAFE.

NOW GOING THROUGH THE ORDER AS WE GO HERE.

I KNOW THAT SO YOU'RE KIND OF DEALING WITH THAT NOW.

MOVING ON WITH ISABEL WRIGHT.

THAT WILL BE THE NEXT PERSON.

SHE MENTIONED THAT YOU WANTED TO BRING UP SOMETHING.

YEAH. WELL I WAS CONTACTED BY THE PUERTO RICAN CHAMBER OF COMMERCE SEVERAL TIMES WITH REGARDS TO THEM NOT REALLY RECEIVING ANY APPLICATIONS FROM THE CITY YOU KNOW IN ORDER TO PARTICIPATE AT THIS SATURDAY'S BUSINESS HISPANIC EXPO.

IT WOULD APPEAR THAT THOSE DEPARTMENTS I GUESS EITHER DID NOT RECEIVE THE APPLICATIONS OR FOR SOME REASON ARE NOT TURNING THEM IN. BUT EVERY YEAR THAT I KNOW THAT I'VE BEEN HERE ON COUNCIL THAT THEY'VE ALWAYS HAD ESPECIALLY YOU KNOW THREE MEMBERS OF OUR CITY AND THAT IS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT PURCHASING AND H.R.

AND THIS YEAR IT SEEMS LIKE IT WAS ONLY TWO PEOPLE FROM POLICE AND ONE PERSON THAT'S GOING TO REPRESENT ALL THE H.R.

AND PURCHASING IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.

IS THAT WHAT IT IS? YES IT'S ACTUALLY PURCHASING BUSINESS TAX RECEIPT PARKS AND RECREATION AND SOME INFORMATION FROM OUR UTILITIES AND OUR GROWTH MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR FOR SITE PLAN DEVELOPMENT SUE.

YEAH SO BASICALLY YOU KNOW THOSE STAFF MEMBERS ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO THE EVENT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW YOU GOT PEOPLE THERE WHO WANT TO INQUIRE ABOUT YOU KNOW HOW TO APPLY FOR A JOB AT THE CITY.

ALSO THEY WANT TO INQUIRE ABOUT YOU KNOW HOW TO BASICALLY APPLY FOR A CONTRACT WITH THE CITY AND WHAT HAVE YOU.

SO IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THEM IN THIS BUSINESS EXPO TO HAVE THAT.

AND I GUESS THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS THE HOLDUP AND WHY IS IT THAT THIS TIME AROUND THEY'RE NOT GETTING THE PEOPLE THAT THEY TYPICALLY GET EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

JUST TO INTERJECT. THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THAT THERE'S BEEN DIFFICULTY.

I THINK THAT ZEROING IN THIS PARTICULAR ADMINISTRATION IS INCORRECT BECAUSE I'VE TAKEN PART IN THE DISCUSSIONS IN THE PAST.

SO THERE WAS SOME INACCURACY TO THE MESSAGE BECAUSE IN THE PAST I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT GREG WOULD ASK THE DEPARTMENTS AND HE WOULD LEAVE IT UP TO THE DEPARTMENTS WHETHER TO PARTICIPATE OR NOT.

THERE'S ALWAYS A COMPLAINT THAT THERE WASN'T PARTICIPATION FROM THE CITY.

SO THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THAT IT HAPPENS SO.

BUT I SAY LIKE ANYTHING WHEN GREG WAS THERE HE LEFT IT UP TO THE DEPARTMENTS TO MAKE THE DECISIONS. I KNOW THAT IN THE PAST CHIEF ROGERS OR CHIEF RANKIN'S PARTICIPATED.

THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS PARTICIPATED.

H.R. I KNOW THERE WAS ONE YEAR THAT THERE WAS MASS PARTICIPATION BY THE CITY.

BUT THEN IT KIND OF CHANGED OVER TIME AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT COUNCIL WISHES TO DO BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS NOT PRIVY JUST TO WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS GONE ON. I JUST WANT TO GET THE ACCURACY OF THE INFORMATION TO BE CORRECT.

I JUST WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MY SCHEDULE WHICH MAY REFLECT SOME OF WHY THE PEOPLE MAY NOT BE THERE IS AT 9:00 IN THE MORNING I HAVE PALM BAY FAST PITCH LEAGUE SOFTBALL. THAT'S GIRL'S SOFTBALL SO ACTUALLY BASEBALL KICKS OFF THAT DAY FOR THE CITY SO

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AT 11:00 A.M.

WE HAVE THE EVANS CENTER GRAND OPENING WHICH WE GIVE A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS TO SO I'LL BE DOING THAT FOLLOWED UP BY 5:00 P.M.

WHICH SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN NOON AND 5:00 I'LL BE RAISING MY KIDS.

BUT AT 5:00 P.M.

I'LL BE AT LIFE CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY FOR ANOTHER EVENT WHICH IS THE FAMILY CHRISTMAS EXTRAVAGANZA. SO FOR ME I WOULD LOVE TO SQUEEZE THAT IN AND I CAN TRY TO MAKE IT BETWEEN NOON AND 1 AND THEN CUT THE KIDS TO 4 HOURS BUT THAT MAY BE SOME OF THE REASONS THAT WE'RE SEEING SOME ISSUES.

IT'S JUST A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF STUFF WE HAVE ON THAT PARTICULAR DAY.

I WOULD ASK THAT MAYBE WE COULD SEND OUT A MASS E-MAIL JUST REMINDING EVERYBODY THAT THE INVITATION IS OPEN AND THAT IF THEY DO VOLUNTARILY WANT TO GO PARTICIPATE THAT THAT'S AN OPTION.

I MEAN THE TRUTH IS THE TRUTH. I LIKE TO STAY ON POINT IN REGARDS TO BUT WHEN WORDS ARE USED THAT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT IT HAPPENED THAT'S INACCURATE.

WELL LET ME BE SPECIFIC. WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE FIRST TIME THAT I GUESS THIS YEAR I'M NOT GOING TO SEE THAT LEVEL OF PARTICIPATION IS WHAT I'M SAYING SO I MEAN I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THEN.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I'M SAYING THAT WHEN YOU COME UP THERE AND YOU MAKE A STATEMENT SUCH THAT THIS IS THIS CURRENT ADMINISTRATION THAT'S NOT TRUE.

I'VE TAKEN PART IN THE DISCUSSIONS.

SO I KNOW IT'S NOT TRUE.

WELL AND ANOTHER THING TOO IS AND I APPRECIATE WHAT THE DEPUTY MAYOR ANDERSON SAID BUT H.R. AND PURCHASING FOR EXAMPLE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE YOU KNOW AT THE OPENINGS AND AT THE EVANS CENTER GRAND OPENING AS WELL. SO I CAN SEE POLICE IN ONE SENSE BUT H.R.

AND PURCHASING I DON'T THINK THAT THEY TYPICALLY ATTEND THOSE OTHER EVENTS BUT THAT'S ALL. I DON'T KNOW IF.

ALL I WANT TO SAY IS THAT WHEN GREG WAS THE CITY MANAGER HE LEFT IT UP TO THE DEPARTMENTS TO MAKE THAT DECISION BECAUSE I REMEMBER THE CONVERSATIONS SO AND ALL THE DEPARTMENTS WERE GIVEN THE APPLICATION AND [INAUDIBLE]? YES SIR.

DURING STAFF MEETING AFTER I MET WITH THE GROUP I ACTUALLY VERBALIZED THAT AND WHEN I GOT THE APPLICATIONS AND WHATNOT THOSE WENT OUT TO THEM AS REMINDERS WE REALLY MEANT ON STAFF MEETINGS.

TODAY AN EMAIL WENT OUT AS WELL.

AND JUST FOR THE RECORD I WILL NOT BE ATTENDING THE OPENING DAY AND I WILL NOT BE ATTENDING THE EVANS CENTER.

I'LL BE ATTENDING ON BEHALF OF THE CITY AS REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE EXPO SO IT'S NOT JUST A REPRESENTATIVE IT'S YOUR CITY MANAGER THAT WILL BE AT THAT EVENT TO TALK ABOUT THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO OUR CITY AND TO THE EXPO BECAUSE THEIR PEOPLE ARE BUSY.

IT IS VOLUNTARY IN THE PAST.

I HAVE EMAILS FROM PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION THAT IT'S A VOLUNTARY EVENT UNLESS OTHERWISE DIRECTED BY COUNCIL FOR MANDATORY.

THAT'S BEEN MY PAST EXPERIENCE SIR.

MAYOR.

YES.

I THINK IT'S RIGHT THAT IT'S VOLUNTARILY BECAUSE IF YOU MAKE IT MANDATORY FOR ONE THEN YOU MAKE IT MANDATORY FOR ALL.

BUT I THINK WHAT MS WRIGHT IS SAYING IS AND IF I'M PUTTING WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH I'M SORRY BUT SHE JUST WOULD LIKE A GOOD REPRESENTATION SO IT CAN REFLECT THE SAME DIVERSITY WE HAVE UP HERE ON THE DAIS.

AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.

SO I AM ENCOURAGED BY THE CITY MANAGER BEING THERE.

I'LL BE IN ATTENDANCE AS WELL.

BUT IF WE CAN JUST YOU KNOW I GUESS NOT PUSH MORE BUT JUST MAKE IT MORE LIKE I LIKE THIS CITYWIDE EMAIL.

I LIKE THAT IDEA DEPUTY MAYOR BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE SHOW THEM LIKE HEY WE SUPPORT THE DIVERSITY AND WE'RE TRYING TO CONTINUE THAT DIVERSITY IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

AND I ALSO WANT TO SAY IS YEAH. AND I WILL BE THERE AS WELL.

AND I ECHO WHAT MR. JOHNSON SAID. AND THE E-MAIL DIDN'T SAY YOU WERE GOING IT SAID A CITY EMPLOYEE WERE GOING BUT ALTHOUGH YOU ARE TECHNICALLY A CITY EMPLOYEE BUT THAT'S GOOD.

AND AGAIN I ECHO WHAT MR. JOHNSON SAID.

YOU KNOW WE JUST WANT YOU KNOW IT'D BE NICE TO SEE A SAME LEVEL OF PARTICIPATION AND ALSO YOU KNOW THE GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT WE TYPICALLY HAVE.

AND IF THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN ASKED VOLUNTARILY THEN WHY IS IT NOW IT'S SORT OF DROPPING. IN MY MIND THAT'S A QUESTION FOR ME.

YOU KNOW NOT SO MUCH IT'S A RHETORICAL QUESTION.

GOTCHA. MAYOR.

I JUST WANT TO STATE FOR THE RECORD I'M JUST A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE WAY WE'RE DISCUSSING IT UP HERE.

I THINK THERE'S MORE QUESTIONS TO IT.

I HAVEN'T BEEN INVOLVED IN ANY OF THE CONVERSATIONS OR HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH MS. MORRELL ABOUT THIS.

BUT ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I WOULD HAVE IS YOU KNOW IT'S KIND OF MOVING BACK TO WHAT COUNCILMAN JOHNSON WAS SAYING. HOW MANY OTHER ORGANIZATIONS ARE WE WHAT OTHER EVENTS ARE WE REQUIRING THEM TO BE AT THAT

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IS THERE ANY? CAUSE IF YOU DO IT FOR ONE YOU'RE DOING IT FOR ALL AND THAT'S A CONCERN AND NOW WE'RE UP HERE DISCUSSING IT AND IT SEEMS KIND LIKE WE'RE A LITTLE BIT DOING.

I DON'T KNOW IT'S ALMOST SEEMS LIKE WE'RE SHAMING OUR STAFF OR WE'RE PRESSURING OUR STAFF WE'RE SAYING IT'S NOT MANDATORY.

WINK WINK.

AND THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF AN ISSUE FOR ME.

I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE IT CLEAR THAT YOU KNOW IT'S OUR POLICY SHOULD BE CLEAR IS WHAT I'M SAYING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

I JUST WANTED TO SAY ONE THING FOR ME PERSONALLY I'M SURE ALL OF COUNCIL WE APPRECIATE THE RELATIONSHIP WE HAVE WITH YOU AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO MANY MORE YEARS OF THE GOOD PARTNERSHIP THAT WE HAVE AND AS FAR AS I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A GOOD RELATIONSHIP AND I'M SURE WE WILL MAINTAIN THAT. WITH THAT NEXT ONE.

LISA TO HOMELESSNESS WITH TOM.

YES SIR.

[INAUDIBLE] YES. LAUREN DELGADO. SHE WAS SPOKEN TO. SHE WAS OH OKAY GOT IT.

YES.

YES. THAT'S ALL THE AGENDA OF THINGS THAT WE NEED TO GET TO.

THERE ARE SEVERAL I WANT TO SAY MORE HIGH PRIORITY ITEMS WITH STORMWATER ROAD PROGRAM A SOLID WASTE WITH OTHER OTHER ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE BOARD TOO.

BUT WE HAVE BEEN INVESTIGATING SOME OPTIONS SO WE'VE HAD SOME INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS.

IT'S THE BEST WAY TO FINE A 5013C THAT WILL THAT COME TO THE AIR TO SERVE US MORE.

AND USUALLY WHEN MY AND THIS IS JUST DISCUSSION POINT NOT A YAY OR NAY. JUST IF A FACILITY IS NEEDED IN THE AREA SQUARE FOOTAGE A PLACE TO INTAKE AND WHATNOT.

SO THOSE ARE ALL THE GOOD DISCUSSION POINTS AND WE SHOULD HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND I'D LIKE TO DEFINE A WORKSHOP DATE FOR YOU ALL.

I WILL LOOK FORWARD TO THE FUTURE HERE AND SEE WHAT YOUR WORKSHOPS.

YOU HAVE HAD A LOT OF MEETINGS AND YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF WORKSHOPS SO THAT'S BEEN A TIGHT SCHEDULE.

SO. OKAY SURE. IT'S NOT A PROBLEM.

NEXT IT WOULD BE THOMAS GAUME.

I'M GOING TO TURN THAT OVER TO OUR CITY CLERK.

ARE YOU THERE? YES MAYOR I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY SOME DATES AS PRESENTED BY MR. GAUME. THE AFFIDAVITS WERE INITIALLY SUBMITTED BY THE COMMITTEE IN NOVEMBER OF 2017 WITH MULTIPLE CORRECTIONS TO THE AFFIDAVITS THEREAFTER.

THEY DID NOT RECEIVE SUFFICIENCY APPROVAL BY THE CITY ATTORNEY AT THE TIME. ON JANUARY 25, 2018 THE PETITION COMMITTEE RECEIVED OFFICIAL APPROVAL OF THE MEMBERS AFFIDAVITS FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ALSO ON THAT DATE ALL STATE FORMS WERE FILED BY MR. WICKENS REFILED BY MR. WICKENS. AND ALSO ON THAT DATE THE BLANK PETITION FORMS AS APPROVED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WERE PROVIDED TO MR. WICKENS AND HE PAID FOR THAT WITH A CHECK.

ON MAY 14, 2018 AT A LUNCHEON I HAD MENTIONED THE POSSIBILITY OF A PETITION FOR THE UPCOMING ELECTION TO MS. SCOTT AND IT WAS A VERY BRIEF CONVERSATION.

THERE WAS NO MENTION OF WHAT WAS NEEDED ON THE FORM FROM HER OFFICE.

ALSO I PERSONALLY WENT TO THE ELECTIONS OFFICE ON THURSDAY NOVEMBER 8TH TO SUBMIT THE PETITION WHICH WAS REJECTED.

AND LASTLY MAYOR STAFF TAKES FULL RESPONSIBILITY AND THAT WE DID NOT NOTIFY COUNCIL OR THE COMMITTEE OF THE ELECTIONS OFFICE NOT ACCEPTING THE PETITION HOWEVER DURING THAT TIME STAFF WAS MAKING NUMEROUS ATTEMPTS TO RECEIVE A LETTER OF SUFFICIENCY OR INSUFFICIENCY FROM THE ELECTIONS OFFICE. THAT'S ALL.

AND MS. JONES DID AND MS. SMITH YOU CAN SPEAK TO THIS AS WELL.

DID WE EVER RECEIVE ANY WRITTEN CORRESPONDENCE FROM THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS OFFICE IN THIS MATTER.

NO SIR.

NOW YOU CAN GO AHEAD FIRST.

YES. I WANTED TO SEE IF THE CITY ATTORNEY COULD ADDRESS THE STATEMENT THE FRIVOLOUS LAWSUIT BECAUSE I LOOKED THROUGH IT AND I THOUGHT WAS PRETTY CUT AND DRY.

BUT IF SHE COULD. PART OF IT THE ARGUMENT AS FAR AS WHAT IS FRIVOLOUS GOES TO A ACTUALLY MISDIRECTION OF THE ISSUE.

THE ISSUE ISN'T, IS THE CITY DIRECTING THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS TO DO ANYTHING. THE ISSUE IS WHAT AUTHORITY DOES THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS HAVE TO DICTATE THAT CERTAIN THINGS ARE PUT IN THE FORM FOR A MUNICIPAL REFERENDUM.

THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTION ISN'T LIKE COUNCIL FOR THE CITY.

THERE IS NO HOME RULE AUTHORITY.

SHE ONLY HAS THE AUTHORITY THAT IS GIVEN TO HER BY STATUTE.

SHE CAN ONLY MAKE RULES IF THE LEGISLATOR GRANTS RULE MAKING AUTHORITY TO SECRETARY OF

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THAT IS THE PETITION FOR A CONSTITUTION CHANGE.

A CHANGE TO THE FLORIDA CONSTITUTION.

BASIC STATUTORY CONSTRUCTION WILL GET YOU THERE BUT IF THAT'S NOT SUFFICIENT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OPINION THAT THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S OFFICE AGREED THAT SAYS THAT STATUTE DIDN'T APPLY TO MUNICIPAL PETITIONS GETS YOU THERE.

SO IT'S WHAT AUTHORITY DOES SHE HAVE? IF THE STATUTE THAT SHE'S SAYING KEEPS HER FROM DOING IT DOESN'T APPLY THE STATUTE THAT DOES APPLY TO MUNICIPAL CHARTER PETITIONS DOESN'T CONTAIN ANY FORM DOESN'T REQUIRE MAKING ANY REQUIREMENTS AND DOES NOT DELEGATE RULE MAKING AUTHORITY.

WHERE DOES THE STATUTE.

WHERE DOES HER AUTHORITY COME? IF SHE DOESN'T HAVE AUTHORITY TO DICTATE THOSE THINGS THEN SHE CAN'T DO IT.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE VERIFICATION STATUTE THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT UNDER THE VERIFICATION STATUTE OR A DATE OF BIRTH OR A REGISTRATION. WHAT IT TELLS HER TO DO IS TO MAKE A VERIFICATION BASED UPON THE COMPARISON OF THE SIGNATURES. IF THERE IS NO AUTHORITY IN THE STATUTE FOR THE CHARTER AMENDMENT THERE IS NO AUTHORITY IN THE VERIFICATION.

THEN SHE DOESN'T HAVE AUTHORITY TO DO IT.

AND ONE OF THE BASIC TENANTS OF THE LAW SAYS THAT PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO PETITION THEIR GOVERNMENT NOT ONE SHOULD THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO PETITION THEIR GOVERNMENT IS THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT IN YOUR INTERPRET STATUTES YOU LIBERALLY CONSTRUE THOSE STATUTES TO MAKE SURE THAT IT ERRS ON THE SIDE OF PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO PETITION THEIR GOVERNMENT. SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO GRANT SOMEONE.

WELL I'M GOING TO COME UP WITH A RULE A RULE THAT THE LEGISLATOR DIDN'T GIVE YOU AN AUTHORITY TO GET IT.

THAT WASN'T PUBLISHED THAT WASN'T HAD NO DUE PROCESS RIGHTS.

AND THEN WHEN YOU COME HERE BECAUSE THIS RULE THAT NO ONE IS AUTHORIZED TO GIVE I'M GOING TO SAY NO I'M GOING TO TAKE IT.

SO THEREFORE THOSE PEOPLE THAT DID SIGN YOUR VOTES DON'T MATTER.

THAT IS NOT HOW OUR SYSTEM WORKS.

AND THIS IS ALL ABOVE FRIVOLOUS.

AND NATURALLY IT IS OUR COUNCIL THAT IS ONLY MAKING AN ATTEMPT TO MAKE SURE THE PEOPLE WHO SIGN SIGNATURES CAN BE COUNTED.

THIS IS ONLY WAY.

AND WHEN YOU SAY ACCOUNTABILITY. WHEN YOU'RE ELECTED YOU SAY I AM GOING TO SUPPORT AND I'M GOING TO DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION I'M GOING TO SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE STATUTES AND THE CHARTER.

THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO HAVE THEIR SIGNATURES COUNTED.

SHE DOESN'T HAVE A RIGHT TO SAY NO SO IF YOU DON'T PETITION THE COURT AND SAY COURT MAKE HER DO WHAT THE LAW REQUIRES, WHO WILL? SOMEBODY HAS TO SAY GOVERNMENT HAS THE RIGHT THAT THE PEOPLE GIVE THEM.

YOU HAVE NO MORE.

IF WE HAVEN'T GIVEN YOU THE RIGHT TO DO THIS THEN YOU CAN'T DO IT AND IT'S REALLY THAT SIMPLE.

AND IT'S FAR FROM FRIVOLOUS. NOW TO ADD TO THIS IS MY PART IN THIS IS THAT I LIKE HOW THAT'S AN APOLOGY AND THEN SMACK ME IN THE FACE BUT I'M A BIG BOY I COULD ACCEPT THAT. THE REALITY OF THE MATTER IS THE TRAIN HAS LEFT THE STATION COUNCIL.

WE MADE A DECISION LAST WEEK IN REGARDS TO THIS.

THE FACT THAT I INTRODUCED AND I WAS VERY CLEAR THAT I INTRODUCED THAT ON THE AGENDA IT WAS BECAUSE I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH MR. GAUME IN MY OFFICE AND THAT WHAT WAS OFFERED.

SO I SAID I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.

IT IS NOT SOMETHING I WAS PETITIONING I WAS JUST PUTTING FORTH SO COUNCIL COULD DECIDE. COUNCIL AT THE LAST MEETING DECIDED THAT LET'S GO THE LEGAL ROUTE.

SO THEN WE ARE COVERED EARLY.

I DON'T SEE THAT AS NEGLIGENT OF MY RESPONSIBILITY.

BUT YOU KNOW EVERYTHING IN LIFE IS LEFT TO INTERPRETATION AND LEFT TO INTERPRETATION TO ANYBODY.

AND I FEEL COMFORTABLE IN MY OWN SKIN THAT I LED.

I DIDN'T FOLLOW I DIDN'T DELEGATE.

I JUST LED AND SOMETIMES LIKE I SAY ON THIS DIAS YOU'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY.

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SO I THINK THE TRAIN ALREADY LEFT THE STATION AND WE MADE A DECISION BUT AGAIN WHAT DOES COUNCIL WANT TO DO.

YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO DELIBERATE ON THIS? I JUST HAVE PATRICIA DO WE KNOW IF SHE'S BEEN SERVED? I DON'T KNOW THAT SHE HAS BEEN SERVED YET.

WE JUST RECEIVED THE SUMMONS AND I GAVE THE SUMMONS IT WAS GIVEN TO THE PROCESS SERVER I BELIEVE TUESDAY SO I'M NOT CERTAIN.

AND THEN SHE HAS 20 DAYS TO RESPOND FROM THE DATE THAT THE PROCESSOR HANDS HER THAT SUMMONS? YES.

OK THANK YOU ANYTHING ELSE.

IF NOT I'M GOING TO. YES.

I DID JUST WANT TO SAY FOR THE RECORD I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LOT OF [INAUDIBLE] DROPPED HERE AND THEN THERE'S I GUESS SOME OTHER BACK AND FORTH BUT I AS YOU KNOW I DID NOT SUPPORT THE DECISION OF THE COUNCIL TO GO FORWARD WITH THE LAWSUIT.

I DO HAVE TO TRUST OUR CITY ATTORNEY THAT SHE CAN BE SUCCESSFUL.

I THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS YOU KNOW A DIFFERENT PATH THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE SUSCEPTIBLE TO GETTING US FORWARD AND QUICKER FOR THE PETITIONERS BECAUSE AS MS. SMITH NOTED TONIGHT IT'S OUR JOB TO PROTECT THAT.

I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT AT LEAST THE INTENT OF THE LAW IF NOT THE LETTER OF THE LAW IN THIS SITUATION.

THE POINT BEING THOUGH IS THAT I THINK THAT LOOKING BEYOND THIS WE KNOW THE COUNCIL'S MADE A DECISION THAT'S FINE.

I'M THINKING THAT OUR STAFF CAN BE SUCCESSFUL IN THEIR ARGUMENTS.

WELL I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AS THAT WHEN IT'S DONE OR IN THIS PROCESS WHAT CAN WE DO TO WORK TOGETHER TO BEST MAKE THE PETITION PROCESS A MORE FRUITFUL PROCESS AND LESS CONTENTIOUS ONE IN THE FUTURE. SO MAKING SURE WE HAVE THESE THINGS CLARIFIED.

YOU KNOW THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE MAY NOT BE REQUIRED TO BE DICTATED TO BY ANOTHER ELECTED OFFICIAL SUCH AS SUPERVISOR OF ELECTION BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE CAN'T SIT DOWN AND SAY WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF MAKING THIS THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY VERIFY THE SIGNATURES AND SURE THAT EVERY SIGNATURE IS COUNTED EVERY PETITIONER IS COUNTED.

AND MAKE SURE WE JUST DO THIS IN A FRIENDLY MANNER.

I THINK WE SHOULD BE WORKING TOGETHER AND COOPERATIVE WHICH IS ONE REASON THAT I DIDN'T LIKE THE IDEA OF US SUING ANOTHER ELECTED LEADER.

I'D RATHER US.

YOU KNOW THERE ARE OTHER ACTIONS WE COULD HAVE TAKEN THAT HAD BEEN MORE CONDUCIVE TO MOVING FORWARD.

BUT I JUST WANT US TO REMEMBER THAT AND JUST TRY TO THINK HOW CAN WE MAKE PEACE WITH THIS. OK NOT A PROBLEM.

[Public Hearings]

AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TITLE 17 LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHAPTER 183 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REGULATIONS.

SECTION 183.01 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SUBSECTION D ADOPTION OF FUTURE LAND USE MAP BY AMENDING FUTURE LAND USE MAP SERIES NUMBER 2; PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT HEREWITH PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU MRS. SMITH. AT THIS TIME I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ASK THE APPLICANT NORTH SHORE DEVELOPMENT TO COME UP. EVENING COUNCIL STAFF COLE OLIVER AGAIN HERE ON BEHALF OF NORTH SHORE DEVELOPMENT AND AT THIS TIME WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD FROM OUR PRIOR PRESENTATION AND BUT WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE COUNCIL MAY HAVE AND IF ANYONE DOES HAVE ANY COMMENTS WE WOULD LIKE A CHANCE TO REBUT. THANK YOU.

IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? BILL.

BILL BATTEN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SW.

OVERALL I KNOW WHAT THIS DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO ACCOMPLISH IT'S GONNA BE A GOOD THING FOR THE CITY BUT I'M GOING BACK FOR THE 30 YEARS OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS CITY.

THIS AREA WAS PROPOSED AND HIGHLY PUSHED AS A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.

THAT'S WHERE IT WAS AND THAT'S WHAT WAS DESIGNATED AND PUSHED RIGHT. NOW BECAUSE A DEVELOPER WANTS TO BUILD HOUSING IN THERE.

IT'S THE DEVELOPER GETS THE UPPER HAND AND WE'RE GONNA RECHANGE OUR CHARTERS RECHANGE OUR MAPS IN ORDER TO PROVIDE HOUSING WITHIN THIS DISTRICT.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID WHERE IS THE COMMERCIAL AND THE INDUSTRIAL AREA IS SUPPOSED TO BE? YET IT STILL HAS TO BE CLOSE ENOUGH TO MAJOR ROADS MAJOR ACCESS WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH LOCAL NEIGHBORHOOD ROUTING.

THAT'S WHERE I'M PUTTING IT ON YOU GUYS.

WE'VE FOUGHT HARD TO MAKE THIS A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND WE TURNED RIGHT AROUND AND CHANGED OUR MIND BECAUSE SOMEBODY WANTED TO BUILD A HOUSE.

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IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? IS THERE ANYTHING TO ADD FROM STAFF LISA? DEFER TO MR. MURPHY HE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THE ZONING QUESTION. WHAT IT WAS B EFORE. I MR. MAYOR MEMBERS OF COUNCIL PATRICK MURPHY GROWTH MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT.

WE CURRENTLY HAVE APPROXIMATELY 50 ACRES OF INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY THAT'S VACANT RIGHT NOW ON FOUNDATION PARK BOULEVARD WHICH IS WEST OF BABBCOCK SOUTH OF MALABAR.

THERE'S SEVERAL VACANT COMMERCIAL PARCELS WITHIN THE KIRBY INDUSTRIAL PARK AND THERE'S STILL SOME ADDITIONAL PROPERTY ALONG U.S.

1 OF THE NORTHEAST PORTION OF THE CITY.

WE ALSO HAVE VACANT COMMERCIAL LAND OUT IN THE SOUTHWEST.

SO WE BELIEVE WE HAVE ENOUGH INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY TO MEET THE INDUSTRIAL NEEDS OF THE CITY. THIS IS NOT AFFECTING ANY OF THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.

THERE WAS A STUDY DONE THAT SHOWED THAT THERE IS A GROSS DEFICIENCY OF MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL THAT WE HAVE.

THERE IS A AFFORDABILITY ISSUE WITH OUR SINGLE FAMILY THAT MULTI-FAMILY SHOULD HELP TO SOLVE. WE DID SUBMIT THE LARGE SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PACKAGES TO THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY AND ALL 6 OF THE STATE REVIEWING AGENCIES AND WE RECEIVE NO ADVERSE COMMENTS FROM ANY OF THOSE AGENCIES.

SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING THIS PROCEED FORWARD OKAY. AT THIS TIME I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ASK COUNCIL FOR A MOTION. THIS IS A FINAL READING. MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 2019-03 FINAL READING. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. OKAY. I HAVE TO LISTEN TO THE LEFT.

ANY DISCUSSION COUNCIL? IF NOT I'M GOING TO CALL IT.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ALL OPPOSED SAY NAY. MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. MRS. SMITH.

THE FOLLOWING ITEMS ARE QUASI JUDICIAL IN NATURE.

PUBLIC HEARINGS AGENDA ITEMS NO. 2 AND 4. ANY PERSON WHO WISHES TO TESTIFY IN SUCH A MATTER MUST SIGN A SPEAKER CARD WHICH CONTAINS A SWORN OATH TO TELL THE TRUTH.

ANY SPEAKER MAY BE SUBJECT TO CROSS-EXAMINATION BY THE COUNCIL OR ANY OTHER INTERESTED PARTY. ATTORNEYS WHO ARE APPEARING ON BEHALF OF A PARTY AND NOT PROVIDING TESTIMONIAL EVIDENCE ARE NOT CONSIDERED WITNESSES AND NEED NOT BE SWORN. ANY INDIVIDUAL ADDRESSING THE COUNCIL MUST STATE HIS OR HER NAME AND CONFIRM THAT A SPEAKER CARD HAS BEEN SIGNED.

COUNCIL SHOULD DISCLOSE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION BY DISCLOSING A SUBJECT MATTER OF THE COMMUNICATION AND THE IDENTITY OF THE PERSON GROUP OR ENTITY WITH WHOM THE COMMUNICATION TOOK PLACE.

THE ORDER OF THIS PROCEEDING WILL BE AS FOLLOWS: FIRST THE APPLICANT WILL MAKE HIS PRESENTATION FOLLOWED BY STAFF COMMENTS FOLLOWED BY ANY OTHER INTERESTED PARTY OR OTHER PERSON. APPLICANT WILL THEN BE ALLOWED CONCLUDING REMARKS.

THE HEARING WILL THEN BE CLOSED AND NO ADDITIONAL TESTIMONY OR ARGUMENT WILL BE ALLOWED.

COUNCIL WILL THEN DELIBERATE IN PUBLIC.

AT THE END OF THIS DELIBERATION A COUNCIL MEMBER WILL MAKE A MOTION ON THE APPLICATION TO BRING THE MATTER TO A VOTE.

EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER IS THEN FREE TO VOTE IN FAVOR OR AGAINST A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION. ORDINANCE NO. 2019-04 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY BREVARD COUNTY FLORIDA AMENDING THE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY UPON A CHANGE IN THE ZONING OF PROPERTY FROM LI LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND WAREHOUSE DISTRICT TO RM20 MULTIPLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT WHICH PROPERTY IS LOCATED NORTH OF AN ADJACENT TO COMMERCE PARK DRIVE IN THE VICINITY BETWEEN LIPSCOMB STREET AND ROBERT J.

CONLAN BOULEVARD ILLEGALLY DESCRIBED HEREIN PROVIDING FOR CHANGING THE ZONING MAP PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU MRS. SMITH. AT THIS TIME I'M TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK NORTHSHORE DEVELOPMENT.

I DID REAL QUICKLY WANNA SAY THAT I HAD A MEETING WITH JAMES SHONKWILER ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT FOR THE RECORD.

DITTO. SAME. ANYBODY ELSE? I DID NOT.

OKAY. OKAY.

GOOD EVENING. I'M STILL COLE OLIVER STILL FOR NORTHSHORE DEVELOPMENT.

WE WOULD JUST STATE THAT THE REQUESTED REZONING IS NOW CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE THAT IS IN PLACE AND WE WOULD REST ON THE STAFF'S SUPPORT AND THE PRIOR TESTIMONY THAT WE PUT IN. WE'RE HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE STAFF MAY HAVE AND WE ASK FOR A CHANCE TO REBUT SHOULD IT BE NECESSARY.

IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM. IF NOT ANYTHING ELSE FROM STAFF? NO SIR. FINAL READING.

I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ASK COUNCIL FOR A MOTION.

MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NO. 2019-04 FINAL READING. SECOND. SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN SANTIAGO.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION COUNCIL? IF NOT I'M GOING TO CALL IT.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE.

ALL OPPOSED SAY NAY. MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUS. ITEM 3 MRS. SMITH.

ORDINANCE DECEMBER 2019-14 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY BREVARD COUNTY

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THANK YOU MRS. SMITH. AT THIS TIME I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK FLORIDA POWER AND LIGHT COMPANY.

BART GAETJENS FPL AREA EXTERNAL AFFAIRS MANAGER 9001 ELLIS ROAD MELBOURNE AND I DID SIGN A CARD. GOOD EVENING MAYOR CAPOTE AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND STAFF.

TONIGHT WE COME BEFORE YOU TO SEEK APPROVAL OF OUR APTLY NAMED PALM BAY SOLAR ENERGY CENTER. AS YOU MAY BE AWARE FPL RECENTLY COMPLETED CONSTRUCTION OF OUR BAREFOOT BAY SOLAR ENERGY CENTER WHICH IS NOW OPERATIONAL AND PROVIDING 74 AND A HALF MEGAWATTS OF CLEAN ELECTRICAL SERVICE TO OUR CUSTOMERS.

WE HAVE ALSO CONSTRUCTED TWO SOLAR ENERGY CENTERS IN INDIAN RIVER COUNTY.

WE NOW HAVE PLANS TO CONSTRUCT A THIRD FACILITY NEXT YEAR IN INDIAN RIVER COUNTY.

A LARGE SCALE UNIVERSAL SOLAR INSTALLATION SUCH AS THE PALM BAY SOLAR ENERGY CENTER IS THE FASTEST AND MOST COST EFFECTIVE WAY TO BRING SOLAR ENERGY TO OUR CUSTOMERS.

SINCE THE 1980S FPL HAS BEEN WORKING TO ADVANCE SOLAR IN FLORIDA AND TODAY WE ARE ABLE TO BUILD SOLAR PLANTS COST EFFECTIVELY MEANING THEY SAVE OUR CUSTOMERS MONEY OVER TIME.

WE'RE ADDING MORE SOLAR ALL THE TIME WHILE KEEPING OUR CUSTOMER BILLS AMONGST THE LOWEST IN THE NATION WITH RATES MORE THAN 30% BELOW THE NATIONAL AVERAGE.

ALREADY ONE OF THE CLEANEST ENERGY COMPANIES IN THE NATION FPL RECENTLY ANNOUNCED A GROUNDBREAKING 30 BY 30 PLAN TO INSTALL 30 MILLION SOLAR PANELS BY THE YEAR 2030 MAKING FLORIDA A WORLD LEADER IN SOLAR ENERGY.

THIS YEAR SOLAR WILL OUTPACE COAL AND OIL COMBINED AS A PERCENTAGE OF FPL ENERGY MIX.

IN OTHER WORDS WE'LL SOON BE GENERATING MORE ENERGY FROM THE SUN THAN POWER PLANTS FUELED BY COAL AND OIL.

AND NOW TO PROVIDE YOU WITH FURTHER DETAILS ABOUT OUR SOLAR ENERGY CENTER IT'S MY PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE JEFF WEST OUR PROJECT MANAGER.

HI AND GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

MY NAME IS JEFF WEST.

MY BUSINESS ADDRESS IS 700 UNIVERSE BOULEVARD JUNO BEACH FLORIDA.

I JUST WANT TO REITERATE WHAT BART SAID.

WE'RE EXCITED TO BE DISCUSSING TONIGHT OUR PROJECT AND OUR EFFORTS TO ADVANCE CLEAN SOLAR ENERGY FOR PALM BAY BUT ALSO FOR ALL FLORIDIANS.

I APOLOGIZE WHEN I SAID MY SLIDE'S OVER THEY HAD A BLUE BACKGROUND SO THEY MAY BE A LITTLE BIT HARD TO READ BUT I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH THEM. CAN WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE? SO YOU MAY BE AWARE OR MAY NOT THAT FLORIDA POWER AND LIGHT IS ACTUALLY PART OF A LARGER COMPANY CALLED NEXTERA ENERGY OUR MOTHER COMPANY.

THERE ARE TWO COMPANIES UNDER NEXTERA ENERGY THAT'S FLORIDA POWER AND LIGHT AND NEXTERA ENERGY RESOURCES.

AND I BRING THIS UP BECAUSE NEXTERA ENERGY RESOURCES IS A COMPANY THAT WORKS OUTSIDE OF FLORIDA PRIMARILY ON WIND AND SOLAR ON THE REST OF THE UNITED STATES ABOUT 33 DIFFERENT STATES AS WELL AS CANADA.

SO WE CAN USE THAT KNOWLEDGE AND LEVER THAT KNOWLEDGE TO HELP US BUILD AND DEVELOP CLEAN RENEWABLE ENERGY PRODUCTS HERE IN FLORIDA.

AS A REGULATED UTILITY WE'RE CONSTRAINED BY MAKING SURE THAT OUR PRODUCTS ARE COST EFFECTIVE FOR OUR CUSTOMERS.

AND SO YOU'RE PROBABLY WONDERING WHY WE HAVEN'T BUILT A LOT OF SOLAR RECENTLY UP UNTIL 2016 AND THAT'S BECAUSE THE COST OF THE PANELS WERE JUST TOO HIGH TO JUSTIFY THE RATE ADJUSTMENTS FOR OUR CUSTOMERS PANELS.

PRICING HAS BEEN DROPPING DRASTICALLY OVER THE YEARS AND IT NOW BECOMES COST EFFECTIVE FOR OUR CUSTOMERS MEANING THE FUEL SAVINGS THAT OUR CUSTOMERS RECEIVE OVER THE LIFE OF THE PROJECT IS GREATER THAN THE COST TO BUILD THE PROJECT.

SO THAT SAVES OUR CUSTOMERS LOTS OF MONEY PRIMARILY IN THE FUEL SAVINGS OVER THE LIFE OF THE PROJECT. AGAIN SORRY IT'S HARD TO READ.

THESE ARE JUST A NUMBER OF PRODUCTS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO BRING TO A SERVICE AND COMMERCIAL OPERATIONS THIS YEAR. THESE WERE OUR ADDITIONAL FOUR PROJECTS THAT WERE PART OF A 2016 SETTLEMENT WITH THE PUBLIC

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SO WE HAVE BEEN BUILDING SINCE 2017 4 PROJECTS EACH YEAR THROUGH 2020.

AND THESE CAME ONLINE IN JANUARY. AND THESE PROJECTS ARE LOCATED IN MIAMI-DADE COUNTY.

WE HAVE ONE IN FALLUJAH COUNTY.

WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE IN ST.

LUCIE AND THEN ALSO IN COLUMBIA COUNTY.

WE ARE STARTING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE LAST FOUR REMAINING PROJECTS AS PART OF THAT 1200 MEGAWATTS I MENTIONED IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS.

SO YOU MAY SEE SOME CONSTRUCTION STARTING IN VARIOUS COUNTIES THROUGHOUT THE STATE.

THESE ARE JUST SOME AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHS THAT WILL SHOW WHAT SOME OF OUR PROJECTS LOOK LIKE. SO THE PROJECT IN THE TOP LEFT WAS ONE OF OUR FACILITIES WE BUILT IN 2018 THAT WAS THE HORIZON SOLAR ENERGY CENTER IN ALACHUA AND PUTNAM COUNTIES.

YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE ONE IN YOUR OWN COUNTY IN THE TOP RIGHT IN BREVARD COUNTY.

THAT'S ADJACENT TO THE BAREFOOT BAY RETIREMENT COMMUNITY.

AND THAT ONE IS A SPECIAL ONE FOR ME BECAUSE I GREW UP SPENDING TIME IN THAT COMMUNITY AS MY GRANDPARENTS LIVED THERE.

SO IT WAS NICE TO GO BACK THERE AND ACTUALLY WORK AND DEVELOP AND PROJECT.

AT THE BOTTOM LEFT IS THE WILDFLOWER FACILITY IN DESOTO COUNTY AND THEN INDIAN RIVER COUNTY THE SOLAR ENERGY CENTER.

PROJECT WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT TODAY IS GOING TO RESEMBLE THE ONE IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT KIND OF THAT RECTANGULAR CONFIGURATION OF WHAT WE CALL THE STANDARD BLOCK CONFIGURATION FOR A SOLAR ENERGY CENTER.

SO AS BART MENTIONED YOU KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO BRING MORE COST EFFECTIVE SOLAR TO OUR CUSTOMERS. WE WOULD LIKE BY 2023 TO HAVE ABOUT 2100 MEGAWATTS OF SOLAR ENERGY THROUGHOUT THE STATE. AND THEN AS OUR PRESIDENT AND CEO JUST MENTIONED JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO WE'RE HOPING TO BRING ALMOST 30 MILLION PANELS TO FLORIDA BY 2030.

LOTS OF 30S IN THERE BUT THAT'LL ROUGHLY POTENTIALLY BE 30% OF OUR ENERGY PORTFOLIO MIX BY 2030.

SO THAT'S VERY EXCITING ESPECIALLY WHEN THE REST OF THE UNITED STATES IS STILL ONLY ABOUT 1% FOR SOLAR ENERGY.

SO THAT'S VERY EXCITING FOR THE SUNSHINE STATE.

JUST THIS SLIDE JUST HELPS YOU UNDERSTAND HOW WE BUILD THESE PROJECTS.

SO A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE FAMILIAR WITH SOLAR. IT'S BEEN AROUND SINCE THE LATE 70S EARLY 80S BUT BASICALLY WE'RE TAKING THE SUN'S ENERGY.

WE'RE CONVERTING THAT TO POWER THROUGH PHOTOVOLTAIC PANELS. THE PANELS ACTUALLY CREATE ENERGY THROUGH DIRECT CURRENT. WE HAVE TO CONVERT THAT TO ALTERNATING CURRENT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE USE AT OUR OUTLETS.

SO WE USE INVERTERS TO CONVERT THAT ENERGY AND THEN WE MATCH THAT VOLTAGE TO THAT TRANSMISSION LINE. SO WE WILL STEP THAT UP TO THE TRANSMISSION LINE AND THEN THAT GOES INTO OUR SERVICE TERRITORY SO ALL OF OUR CUSTOMERS CAN UTILIZE CLEAN SOLAR ENERGY.

OUR PRODUCTS WE LIKE TO SAY WE'RE GREAT NEIGHBORS. FIRST OF ALL SOLAR IS A VERY PASSIVE WAY TO CREATE ENERGY.

THERE ARE NO EMISSIONS.

WE DON'T USE WATER.

THERE ARE NO LIGHTS AT OUR FACILITIES.

THEY'RE VIRTUALLY SILENT.

SOME OF OUR INVERTERS YOU KNOW THERE MIGHT BE A SLIGHT HUM WHEN YOU'RE CLOSE TO THE INVERTERS JUST BECAUSE OF THE COOLING FANS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THOSE.

AND THERE'S NO FUEL.

THE PANELS SIT PRETTY LOW TO THE GROUND.

SO THEY WERE ROUGHLY ABOUT 6 AND A HALF FEET TALL.

THIS PROJECT IS 74 AND HALF MEGAWATTS.

THERE'S ENOUGH POWER EQUIVALENT TO ABOUT 15,000 HOMES OR IT'S ENOUGH EMISSIONS REMOVAL REDUCTION TO TAKE ABOUT 12,000 CARS OFF THE ROAD ANNUALLY. AND THAT 12,000 CARS OFF THE ROAD ANNUALLY WOULD BE A HIGHER NUMBER IN SOME OTHER STATES. BUT SINCE WE ALREADY HAVE A VERY CLEAN ENERGY PROFILE BY USING NATURAL GAS FOR A LOT OF OUR OUR BASELOAD WE HAVE TO FACTOR IN THE FACT THAT WE'RE ALREADY CLEANER SO THAT REDUCES THAT NUMBER FOR US.

WE'RE ALREADY 30 PERCENT CLEANER THAN MOST OTHER UTILITIES IN THE REST OF THE COUNTRY. AND THESE JOBS ALSO CREATE ABOUT 200 TO 250 JOBS DURING PEAK CONSTRUCTION.

CONSTRUCTION WINDOW IS ABOUT 8 TO 10 MONTHS DEPENDING ON THE PROJECT.

BUT AT A PEAK THAT'S ABOUT 250 JOBS.

THERE'S A LOT OF ON JOB THE TRAINING THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THESE FACILITIES.

SO FOLKS COMING STRAIGHT OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL OR TECHNICAL COLLEGES THEY GET GREAT EXPERIENCE LEARNING HOW TO INSTALL SOLAR PANELS. AND IT'S THE TYPE OF WORK THAT YOU CAN MOVE UP VERY QUICKLY IN THE SYSTEM TO SOLAR INSTALLER SUPERVISOR LOTS OF GOOD ON THE SITE JOB TRAINING. NEXT SLIDE. GO BACK ONE. NEXT ONE. I GUESS THEY'RE OUT OF ORDER.

ANYWAY SO AS GOOD NEIGHBORS WE LIKE TO PROVIDE OUTREACH AND WE PROVIDE OUTREACH EARLY AND

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THEY'RE LARGE SCALE IN NATURE SO WE REACH OUT TO THE PUBLIC. WE HELD AN OPEN HOUSE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE REQUIRED NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING ON JANUARY 23RD AND WE INVITED EVERYBODY WITHIN 1300 FEET OF THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY, THE ABUTTING PROPERTY BOUNDARY WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN WHAT THE REQUIREMENT IS FOR THE CODE. WE HELD THAT OPEN HOUSE AT THE HOLIDAY INN OFF MALABAR ROAD AND ACTUALLY WAS ONE OF THE FIRST OPEN HOUSES WHERE WE HAD ACTUALLY ZERO ATTENDANCE SHOW UP.

SO WE ALSO CAME IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING WHERE THERE WAS ALSO A PUBLIC FORUM QUASI JUDICIAL IN NATURE.

THERE WAS ALSO NO COMMENTS AT THAT MEETING. AND THEN WE ALSO MET LAST WEEK WITH THE DEER RUN HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION WHICH IS JUST NORTH OF THE PROJECT.

THERE'S ABOUT 15 OR 20 MEMBERS AT THAT MEETING AND WE PRESENTED A VERY SIMILAR PRESENTATION THAT WE'RE SHOWING TONIGHT AND ANSWERED QUESTIONS FOR THEM AS WELL SINCE THEY ARE THE CLOSEST NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE NORTH OF OUR PROJECT. BASICALLY WHEN WE CONSTRUCT THESE FACILITIES WE CALL IT CIVIL LIGHT.

IT'S NOT ROCKET SCIENCE WHEN WE BUILD THESE PROJECTS.

WE TAKE BASICALLY A SEA CHANNEL OR GALVANIZED SEA CHANNEL TILE.

WE POUND IT INTO THE GROUND DEPENDING ON THE GEO TECH OF THAT AREA.

IT COULD BE ANYWHERE BETWEEN 6 TO 10 FEET INTO THE GROUND. AND THAT'S MODELED USING OUR WIND LOADING FOR THE REGION AND OUR ENGINEERS DESIGN THE EMBEDMENT DEPTH AND THEN WE ADD A RACKING SYSTEM SIMILAR TO THE PURLINS ON A HOUSE THAT MIGHT HAVE A METAL ROOF AND THEN THOSE SOLAR PANELS ARE BRACKETED OR BRACE DIRECTLY TO THAT RACKING SYSTEM.

SO THIS IS CONSIDERED A FIXED TILT DESIGN.

THESE PANELS DO NOT MOVE. SO IN AREAS THAT WERE CLOSE TO THE COAST OR THERE'S CERTAIN WIND LOADINGS WE BUILD FIXED STILTS. IN OTHER AREAS LIKE NORTHERN FLORIDA OR CENTRAL FLORIDA WHERE WIND LOADING IS A LITTLE BIT LESS WE CAN BUILD TRACKERS.

AND THIS IS JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF SOME OF THE PRODUCTS WE BUILT AND ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE PANELS.

THE MIDDLE PICTURE ON THE BOTTOM IS ONE OF OUR INVERTERS.

AND SO THAT IS THE INVERTER AND TRANSFORMER THAT TAKES THE DIRECT CURRENT AND TRANSFORMS THAT TO ALTERNATING CURRENT AND THEN BUMPS IT UP TO 34.5 KILOWATTS AND SENDS IT TO OUR SUBSTATION.

SO THE PROJECT AS IS YOU'RE WELL AWARE OF IS LOCATED WEST OF BABCOCK AND JUST NORTH OF CENTER LANE.

THIS WAS AN AREA THAT WAS RECENTLY ANNEXED BY THE CITY.

SO TONIGHT WE'RE ASKING BOTH AGENDA ITEM 3 AND 4 ARE KIND OF COMPANION ITEMS. ONE IS TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO FUTURE LAND USE FROM R125 TO UTILITIES AND MAKE IT CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S ZONING BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S UNDER BREVARD COUNTY ZONING AND THEN ALSO THE REZONING OF THE LAND FROM GENERAL HOLDING TO GENERAL USE HOLDING UNDER THE CITY ORDINANCE. SO THOSE ARE THE TWO AGENDA ITEMS WE'RE SPEAKING ABOUT TONIGHT.

THE PROPERTY IS 485 ACRES IN SIZE. AS YOU CAN SEE THIS IS WHAT WE CONSIDER A STANDARD BLOCK CONFIGURATION.

THE LAND WAS PREVIOUSLY USED TO GROW HAS SINCE GONE FALLOW.

THERE HAS BEEN A NUMBER OF DEVELOPMENT COMPANIES THAT HAVE LOOKED AT IT.

NOTHING HAS REALLY COME TO FRUITION.

SO THIS IS A GREAT SITE FOR A SOLAR FACILITY.

WE'RE GOING TO UTILIZE EXISTING DISHES THERE FOR STORMWATER CONTROL SO WE DON'T REALLY HAVE TO MANIPULATE OR GRADE THE LAND OR DO ANYTHING REALLY DIFFERENTLY OTHER THAN INSTALL THE PANELS AND CONNECT TO OUR EXISTING TRANSMISSION SYSTEM.

THIS IS THE KIND OF LAND WE LIKE TO LOOK FOR.

IT'S FLAT.

IT'S CLEAR.

THERE'S VERY LOW OR A LITTLE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.

AS YOU CAN SEE WE'RE AVOIDING THE EXISTING WET LANDS THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY.

I STILL WILL SUBMIT A APPLICATION AND DEP FOR STORMWATER AND ANY WETLAND IMPACTS AND THEN WE ALSO WORK WITH THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS. NEXT SLIDE.

SO THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAD. I'LL ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS. AND I JUST RESERVE THE RIGHT FOR REBUTTAL IN CASE THERE'S ANYBODY THAT HAS ANY COMMENTS. AND THEN WITH THE COMPANION AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4 I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER TO ADD BUT RESERVING THE RIGHT FOR COMMENTS ON THAT AS WELL.

COUNCIL DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? I JUST GOT A QUICK QUESTION HERE.

I SAW A RECENT ARTICLE IN LENGTH IN WHERE SOLAR PANEL INSTALLATIONS IS LIKE I THINK THE NO. 1 FASTEST GROWING JOB IN AMERICA.

ARE THERE GOING TO BE ANY LOCAL HIRES BY ANY CHANCE TO INSTALL? I THINK IT'S WHAT? ABOUT 350,000 OF THESE PANELS.

YEAH. THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. YES THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S ABOUT 300 TO 330,000 PANELS FOR EACH ONE OF THESE FACILITIES AT 74 AND A HALF MEGAWATTS

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WE HIRE WHAT WE CALL AN EPC CONTRACTOR THAT'S AN ENGINEERING PROCUREMENT AND CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTOR TO BUILD THE FACILITY.

AND SO THEY BASICALLY TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THE SITE AND THE PLANT WHILE THEY'RE BUILDING IT AND THEY DO ALL THE HIRING.

WE ENCOURAGE THEM OBVIOUSLY TO USE LOCAL OR REGIONAL WORKFORCE.

AND SO THEY WORK WITH CAREER SOURCE AND OTHER COMMUNITY LEADERS TO HELP HIRE THOSE PEOPLE. I CAN TELL YOU IN SOME OF OUR OTHER PROJECTS LIKE THE PROJECT I SHOWCASED IN ALACHUA AND PUTNAM COUNTY WE DID A LITTLE BIT OF METRICS AFTER THAT PROJECT WAS CONSTRUCTED AND WE FOUND THAT A MAJORITY OF THE WORKFORCE CAME FROM THAT TRI COUNTY AREA: PUTNAM COUNTY ALACHUA AND CLAY COUNTY ALMOST MORE THAN 80 PERCENT.

AND A GOOD PORTION OF THOSE WERE DIRECTLY FROM PUTNAM AND ALACHUA.

AND WHAT WE FOUND IS YOU KNOW YOU THINK ABOUT 200 250 WORKERS AT PEAK. YOU CAN THINK OH MY GOSH THAT'S A LOT OF CARS TO PARK AT ONE SITE BUT THEY ACTUALLY CARPOOL.

AND SO YOU MAY ONLY HAVE 75 TO 100 CARS ON SITE PARKING SO A LOT OF THIS IS JUST A TESTAMENT THAT A LOT OF THOSE ARE REGIONAL AND THEY CARPOOL TOGETHER AT THE SAME TIME.

ALSO IN PUTNAM COUNTY WE LOOKED AT THE HOTEL BED TAX DURING CONSTRUCTION AND WE SAW AN UPTICK ALMOST AT 26 PERCENT IN THE COUNTY FROM JUST FOOD LODGING AND THE HOTEL BED TAX.

THAT'S FANTASTIC.

THAT'S ALL I HAD.

THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILMAN SANTIAGO BEAT ME TO THE PUNCH BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT PROGRAMS OR RECRUITMENT IN THIS AREA TOO BECAUSE I THINK MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING I CAN BRING UP TO THE YOUTH ADVISORY BOARD AS WELL TO INCREASE THE WORKFORCE FOR OUR YOUTH COMING OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL.

SO I KNOW YOU SAID IT'S NOT THROUGH YOU BUT SOMEBODY ELSE BUT IF YOU CAN JUST MAKE A STRONG SUGGESTION FOR US IN REGARDS TO WE HAVE KIDS THAT ARE READY TO WORK.

YEAH ABSOLUTELY.

AND WE DO ENCOURAGE THAT.

WE HAVE A NUMBER OF FOLKS IN OUR COMPANY THAT WORK WITH WORKFORCE TRAINING AND GETTING THAT TRAINING INTO OUR HIGH SCHOOLS AND DIFFERENT PROGRAMS. WE WORKED OR ARE PARTNERING WITH INDIAN RIVER STATE COLLEGE AS WELL TO TRAIN VETERANS IN SOLAR. SO THAT PROGRAM STARTED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AND MOST OF THOSE CLASSES HAVE FILLED TO CAPACITY.

I THINK THEY'VE HAD TWO OR THREE OF THOSE CLASSES WHERE THEY'RE TRAINING VETERANS IN SOLAR AND WE'VE ACTUALLY SEEN VETERANS AT SOME OF OUR SITES NOW INSTALLING AND TAKING LEADERSHIP ROLES AT OUR FACILITIES.

QUESTION FOLLOW UP. IS THAT SOMETHING POSSIBLY EASTERN FLORIDA STATE COLLEGE COULD MIRROR IN A SENSE YOU THINK OR DO WE HAVE TO [INAUDIBLE].

YEAH I MEAN WE COULD DEFINITELY WORK WITH OUR EDUCATIONAL SPECIALISTS IN OUR COMPANY TO REACH OUT AND SEE WHAT KIND OF PROGRAMS MIGHT BE AVAILABLE.

THEY HAVE THE SOLAR PANEL PROGRAM AT EASTERN FLORIDA AT PALM BAY CAMPUS. OKAY. YEAH.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK FOR AGAINST THE SIDE OF. BILL.

BILL BATTEN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SW. I HAVE THREE ITEMS TO ADDRESS ON THIS ONE.

FIRST ONE WAS WHO'S GONNA BE PAYING THE BILL BECAUSE I SAW IT WAS FLORIDA POWER AND CITY UTILITY. WHO'S GONNA BE PAYING THE BILL FOR THE BUILD? SECOND ONE WAS NO RUN OFF BECAUSE THEY'RE EQUAL TO OR BELOW LOCAL GRADE. I REMEMBER THE STORMWATER FEE THAT I AM CURRENTLY PAYING FOR PERVIOUS VERSUS IMPERVIOUS AREA. SO I HAVE ONE QUESTION: IS SOLAR PANEL PERVIOUS OR IMPERVIOUS AREA.

AND ITEM NUMBER 3 OVERALL 100 PERCENT THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT.

FANTASTIC IN THE OVERALL OBJECTIVE OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT IT'S GOING TO CUT INTO MY OIL ROYALTIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT BILL.

IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM. IF NOT.

LISA.

IT'S DEFINITELY NOT US PAYING FOR IT.

SO IT'S T.

IT'S ONE OF TWO.

WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.

REJECT THAT IF THE SOLAR ACTUALLY FEEDS YOUR CITY GRID FOR USE THE IMPERVIOUS NON IMPERVIOUS I'D LIKE TO DEFER TO FRANK ON THAT.

I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S AN IMPERVIOUS SOLAR PANEL STORM WATER RUNOFF FEE. ACTUALLY THIS WOULD BE A NEW ONE FOR US.

WE MIGHT HAVE TO ACTUALLY BRING IT BACK.

YEAH I MAY HAVE TO CHECK ON THIS.

FRANK WANTANABE ENGINEERING MANAGER. THE ARE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE RUN OFF AREA IN TERMS OF IMPERVIOUS OR NON IMPERVIOUS. WE'LL LOOK AT THE SIDE TO MAKE SURE.

MORE THAN LIKELY IT'S GOING TO BE A NON IMPERVIOUS.

WE'RE GONNA GET HELP FROM JAKE WISE. JAKE IS GONNA COMMENT ON THEIR BEHALF.

THANK YOU.

JAKE WISE CIVIL ENGINEER FOR THE PROJECT BUSINESS ADDRESS IS 2651 WEST EAU GALLIE BOULEVARD. YEAH.

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THEY ARE CONSIDERED PERVIOUS.

WE DO PROVIDE CONVEYANCE AND COLLECTION JUST TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NOT ANY INCREASED RUNOFF TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES BUT THE EYES OF THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT DEP AND THE CITIES THAT WE WORK IN IT'S ALL CONSIDERED PERVIOUS.

SO THERE'S NO INCREASE IN RUNOFF AT ALL. IF I COULD ANSWER OTHER QUESTIONS I'D BE HAPPY TO.

THANK YOU JAKE. AT THIS TIME I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK COUNCIL FOR A MOTION. MAY I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 2019-14 FOR FIRST READING. SECOND.

COUNCILMAN BAILEY. I GUESS HE SNUCK IN THERE. I JUST WANT TO SAY I GUESS IS THE FIRST ONE OF TWO BUT I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU BART BECAUSE I REMEMBER GOING TO THE ONE IN BAREFOOT BAY WHEN YOU WERE FIRST INITIATING THAT ONE AND YOU KNOW THAT I ALWAYS HAVE TO PUT A PLUG IN AND THE FIRST THING I SAID TO YOU CAN WE GET THIS IN PALM BAY? AND YOU SAID AT THAT TIME WE DON'T KNOW.

WE MAY BE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT SITES THROUGHOUT THE STATE AND I SAID OK I GUESS YOU KNOW BUT AT LEAST I MENTIONED IT. AND MAYBE THAT STUCK OR DIDN'T STICK IN YOUR MIND BUT AT LEAST YOU KNEW THAT PALM BAY HAD AN INTEREST. SO THANK YOU FOR CHOOSING PALM BAY. ANYTHING ELSE COUNCIL? IF NOT I'M GOING TO CALL IT.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED SAY NAY.

ITEM NUMBER 4 MRS. SMITH.

ORDINANCE NO. 2019-15. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY BREVARD COUNTY FLORIDA AMENDING THE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY BY CHANGING THE ZONING OF THE PROPERTY FROM GU GENERAL USE DISTRICT BREVARD COUNTY TO GU GENERAL USE DISTRICT WHICH PROPERTY IS LOCATED NORTH OF AND ADJACENT TO CENTERLANE ROAD IN THE VICINITY WEST OF BABCOCK STREET AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED HEREIN PROVIDING FOR A CHANGE IN THE ZONING MAP PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU.

AT THIS TIME I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK IN.

THIS IS FORMALITY.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE THING. [LAUGHTER] THANK YOU.

BART GAETJENS FPL AREA EXTERNAL AFFAIRS MANAGER 9001 ELLIS ROAD MELBOURNE.

I HAVE NO COMMENTS UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM.

I JUST WANTED TO SAY BEFORE YOU CLOSE TOO I HAD A MEETING WITH BART GAETJENS AND JEFFREY WEST BOUT THIS PROJECT.

DITTO. LIKEWISE I DID TOO.

I DIDN'T.

ON THAT NOTE I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ASK COUNCIL FOR A MOTION. MAYOR I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 2019-15 FIRST READING. SECOND.

GOTCHA THIS TIME.

DEPUTY MAYOR ANDERSON.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION COUNCIL? IF NOT I'M GOING TO CALL IT.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED SAY NAY.

MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUS.

THANK YOU GUYS.

ITEM NUMBER 5 MRS. SMITH.

ORDINANCE NO. 2019-16. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY BREVARD COUNTY FLORIDA AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TITLE 17 LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHAPTER 185 ZONING CODE SUB CHAPTERS DISTRICT REGULATIONS AND CONDITIONAL USES IN ORDER TO PREVENT EVENT HALL REVENUE VENUES WITHIN THE GC GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT ZONING BY CONDITIONAL USE PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT HEREWITH PROVIDING FOR INCLUSION IN A CITY OF PALM BAY CODE ORDINANCES PROVIDING FOR A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU MR. SMITH. AT THIS TIME I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK RAYMOND FISCHER.

GOOD EVENING MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. MY NAME IS ROBERT ROBB.

I AM WITH ROBB AND TAYLOR ENGINEERING.

I AM REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT TODAY.

BUSINESS ADDRESS IS 4685 HIDDEN LAKES PLACED MELBOURNE.

THE APPLICANT WISHES TO CREATE AN EVENT VENUE IN PALM BAY.

WORKING WITH STAFF THERE'S NOT A A STRAIGHTFORWARD USE IN THE CODE OR THE CLOSEST THING WE COULD GET IS A A LODGE OR A A CLUB WHICH STAFF TOLD US IT HAS TO BE A NON-PROFIT TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

SO WE'RE HERE BEFORE YOU ASKING FOR A TECHS AMENDMENT TO ALLOW VENUE USES IN GENERAL COMMERCIAL. I THINK THE VENUE IS GOING TO BE WE'RE LOOKING AT POSSIBLY BUSINESS EVENTS.

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IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM. BILL.

BILL BATTIN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SW. I HAVE TWO ITEMS TO ADDRESS ON THIS ONE.

FIRST ONE IS A K3 WHICH IS PARKING DESIGNATION AND I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT SOMEHOW YOU HAVE ENOUGH PARKING FOR THE SIZE OF YOUR PARTY. SOMETIMES YOUR PARTY AT THE GRADUATION MIGHT BE 5000 PEOPLE. THERE BETTER BE 5000 PARKING LOTS IN THAT AREA.

I MEAN I'VE GOT A BIG.

BIG GRADUATION PARTY.

THAT'S THE WHOLE SCHOOL.

I SEE YOU PUT TOGETHER PALM BAY HIGH SCHOOL HERITAGE.

BUT WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS WE'VE SEEN FUNCTIONS BEFORE WHERE THEY RUN OUT OF PARKING IN THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT WHERE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PARKING FOR THINGS TO HAPPEN.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS WE HAVE COVERED THAT. THE NEXT ONE IS K4 AND K9.

IT'S OPEN FROM SUNRISE TO MIDNIGHT.

WITH THAT SIMPLE STATEMENT A PARTY GOING ON AT MIDNIGHT I KNOW YOU'RE STILL GOING TO SAY IT HAS TO MEET SOUND NOISE ORDINANCE.

WELL WE'VE ALREADY GONE AROUND WITH HARLEY DAVIDSON WHAT IS THE NOISE ORDINANCE WITHIN A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT? WHICH THESE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS ARE RIGHT NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.

I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME KIND OF ADDRESSING IN THERE OF WHAT THE NOISE ORDINANCE WILL BE BECAUSE PARTIES DO GET ROWDY ESPECIALLY IF THEY WANT TO START SETTING OFF FIREWORKS AND STUFF FOR CELEBRATION.

ALL OF THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE IS IN THERE SOMEHOW BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SEE THE SAME REPEAT THAT WE HAD WITH HARLEY DAVIDSON.

WITH THAT BEING SAID GOOD LUCK.

IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK FOR AGAINST THIS ITEM? IF NOT DOES THE APPLICANT WANT TO STATE ANYTHING IN REGARDS TO THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED? YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO SO. SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP. IS THERE? I THINK AS FAR AS THE PARKING GOES THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT ON THIS IS GONNA BE 5 ACRES.

SO WE WILL OBVIOUSLY WORK WITH CITY STAFF AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE ENOUGH PARKING.

NOISE THAT IS THE REASON WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR GENERAL COMMERCIAL.

I KNOW THERE IS ANOTHER EVENT VENUE ALLOWED IN THE CITY THAT IS ALLOWED IN RESIDENTIAL WHICH WE DID NOT WANT TO TRY TO LEAN OURSELVES TOWARD THAT ONE SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE'RE GOING GENERAL COMMERCIAL.

ANYTHING TO ADD LISA FROM STAFF? STAFF RECOMMENDS THE PROJECT AND P&Z UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED IT BUT STAFF IS HERE IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATION NEEDED.

I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK COUNCIL FOR A MOTION. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE 2019-16 FOR FIRST READING. SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN SANTIAGO. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION COUNCIL? I JUST WANTED TO SAY ONE THING IF I COULD.

FIREWORKS ARE ILLEGAL.

DON'T BE SETTING OFF FIREWORKS. ON THAT NOTE I'M GOING TO CALL IT.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED SAY NAY.

MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUS.

GOOD LUCK. MOVING ON TO UNFINISHED AND OLD BUSINESS.

DEPUTY MAYOR.

YES SIR.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT NANCY DOMONOUSKY AND KHALILAH MARAGH TO THE P&Z BOARD. YOU JUST SECOND.

I SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED SAY NAY.

OKAY. THAT'S IT. MOVING

[Council Reports]

COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

THANK YOU MAYOR. PAUL MAN WE GOTTA STEP IT UP.

WE FELL TO FOURTH PLACE IN THE MAYOR'S FITNESS CHALLENGE.

WE'RE BETTER THAN THAT.

ALL RIGHT.

YOU GOT A PERSONAL TRAINER UP HERE AS A COUNCILMAN.

WE'VE GOT TO DO BETTER.

LOOKS BAD ON MY PART TOO.

BUT WE'RE GOING TO DO BETTER.

I BELIEVE WE'RE GONNA DO BETTER.

WE HAVE EVENT 8 MILE BIKE RIDE COMING UP OR YOU CAN RUN 8 MILES.

IT'S UP TO YOU.

I'M GONNA RIDE MY BIKE.

WE HAVE THAT COMING UP AS WELL AS THE EVANS CENTER.

THEY'RE HAVING THEIR GRAND OPENING THIS SATURDAY.

I'VE ALREADY GONE THERE A FEW TIMES AND ENJOYED SOME OF THEIR GOOD BREAKFAST AND LUNCH.

AND USUALLY I GO TO CHECKMARC'S BUT I WANT TO JUST ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO. NO OFFENSE TO WEST MELBOURNE OR MELBOURNE BUT LET'S MAKE SURE WE REINVEST IN OUR COMMUNITY AND REINVEST IN OUR CITY AND CIRCULATE THOSE DOLLARS AND SUPPORT THESE BUSINESSES AND THESE NON-PROFITS THAT SUPPORT US. SO THAT'S ALL.

COUNCILMAN BAILEY.

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YES MAYOR FIRST OF ALL I JUST WANT TO SAY IT'S A GREAT EVENT THAT COUNCILMAN JOHNSON HAD THE CELEBRATION OF BLACK HISTORY UNITY COMMUNITY.

WE WERE THERE AND IT WAS A GREAT EVENT.

AND I CERTAINLY HOPE MR. JOHNSON THAT YOU CONTINUE TO DO THAT, THAT WILL CONTINUE TO GROW.

IT WAS REALLY ENTERTAINING AND EDUCATIONAL AT THE SAME TIME.

ALSO THE PALM BAY POLICE DEPARTMENT BANQUET WENT VERY WELL. AND I FORGOT THE NAME OF THAT PLACE.

IF ANYONE CAN REMIND. DRAGONFLY RIGHT? DRAGONFLY FARMS. WOW IF YOU HAVEN'T GOTTEN A CHANCE TO GO THERE AMAZING PLACE.

THEY DID AN AMAZING JOB WITH THAT.

BUT I ALSO WANT TO JUST REMIND EVERYONE MARCH 18TH 6:00 ANOTHER MEETING AT TURKEY CREEK.

WE HAVE A WE HAVE A VIDEO I BELIEVE THAT WE'RE GOING TO SHOW ON THAT.

AND I WANT TO THANK MR. BURNS. ROBERT BURNS WAS HERE WITH US IN THE AUDIENCE AS WELL AS KEELY LEGGETT AND EVERYONE ELSE WHO HAD A PART IN THAT.

I WANT TO THANK YOU MR. BURNS BECAUSE YOU BROUGHT UP THAT IDEA AND WANTED TO BRING A FOURTH AND SO WE'RE ALL LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING A TEASER OR PERHAPS A TRAILER OF IT.

SO IF YOU WANT TO SEE THAT AND ALSO GET SOME MORE INFORMATION ON TURKEY CREEK PLEASE COME BY MARCH 18TH 6:00 P.M.

WHICH IS GOING TO BE HELD AT THE AT THE ANNEX COMMUNITY ROOM.

ALSO YOU HEARD IT.

THE HISPANIC BUSINESS EXPO IS GOING TO BE THIS SATURDAY BETWEEN 12:00 AND 6:00 AT TONY ROSA. AND I ALSO WANTED TO GIVE MY CONDOLENCES TO DEPUTY MAYOR ANDERSON FOR THE PASSING OF YOUR GRANDMOTHER YOUR LOVED ONE.

SO VERY SORRY TO HEAR THAT SIR.

SO EARLIER THIS AFTERNOON I LOST MY GRANDMOTHER. IF YOU KNOW MY GRANDMOTHER SHE IS SUPER BIG IN THE GOVERNMENT AND PROBABLY THE REASON THAT I'M HERE TONIGHT IS BECAUSE SHE WOULD TELL ME TO GET MY BUTT TO THIS MEETING.

SHE WAS MORE THAN A FRIEND TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

SHE WAS A CHAPLAIN OVER THERE.

SHE LOVED THOSE GUYS JUST AS MUCH SHE LOVED US, POLICE AS WELL.

I KNOW THE MAYOR KNOWS HER AND SHE HASN'T BEEN IN A LOT OF THESE MEETINGS LATELY BECAUSE SHE WASN'T FEELING VERY WELL BUT A PIECE OF MY HEART IS WITH HER TONIGHT.

I'M DOING THIS FOR YOU. SHE GAVE ME MY FIRST CAMPAIGN DONATION.

IT WAS $25 AND SHE SAID THAT SHOULD BUY 1,00 SIGNS.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT A GRANDMA DOES.

A QUARTER WILL GET YOU A MILLION.

SO I LOVE YOU. TAKE CARE OF HER.

ON THAT NOTE I WANT TO ADD ON MY CONDOLENCES TO YOUR FAMILY BECAUSE YOUR GRANDMA I REMEMBER HER.

I SAW HER AS I WAS SITTING IN JOHNSON'S SEAT WHEN I FIRST STARTED BECAUSE SHE WOULD COME IN HERE BECAUSE IT WAS DURING THAT TIME THERE WAS A LOT OF HEATED DISCUSSIONS IN REGARDS TO FIREFIGHTING AND SHE WAS AN ADVOCATE.

AND SHE WOULD COME HERE ALL THE WAY THROUGHOUT.

WHEN I FIRST BECAME MAYOR SHE WAS ONE OF MY SUPPORTERS THROUGH THAT TIME.

SO MY CONDOLENCES.

GREAT PERSON. SO THAT'S ALL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M

[New Business]

ITEM NUMBER 5 WAS PULLED. MRS. SMITH WE HAVE TO READ THE ORDINANCE FIRST.

ORDINANCE NO. 2019-20 AN ORDIANCNE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY BREVARD COUNTY FLORIDA AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TITLE 5 LEGISLATIVE CHAPTER 64 BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT SUBCHAPTER CREATION OF CITY OF PALM BAY BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT BY MODIFYING PROVISIONS RELATED TO THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE DISTRICT PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT HEREWITH PROVIDING FOR INCLUSION IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY CODE OF ORDINANCES PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU MR. SMITH. WHO PULLED? BILL BATTIN.

BILL BATTIN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SW. WHEN I WAS LOOKING OVER THIS I SAW THAT IT WAS AN APPOINTMENT OF 6 MEMBERS BY COUNCIL AND I AGREE WITH THE PROCESS.

THE ONLY THING I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WAS WHY WE'RE GONNA HAVE TWO AT LARGE OF THE 6 APPOINTEES SO THERE'LL BE 4 PEOPLE APPOINTED AND THERE'S STILL GONNA BE TWO THAT HAVE COME OUT OF AT LARGE. SO ONE COUNCIL MEMBER ISN'T GOING TO HAVE A DESIGNATED APPOINTEE TO MAKE THE 11TH SO I JUST WONDER WHICH COUNCIL MEMBER IS GOING TO BE THE ONE THAT DOESN'T GET TO APPOINT SOMEBODY? YOU DON'T KNOW YET.

OKAY. I'M JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE AT 6 WHY NOT HAVE EVERYBODY APPOINT 1 AND 2 AT LARGE?

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THANK YOU BILL.

ANY OTHER? THAT WAS IT. OKAY. COUNCILMAN SANTIAGO.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

YEAH. ACTUALLY THEY'RE ALL GOING TO BE APPOINTED BY COUNCIL AT LARGE. THERE'S NO SPECIFIC APPOINTEES.

THERE'S NO SPECIFIC APPOINTEES DESIGNATED TO ONE COUNCIL MEMBER LIKE WE HAVE WITH OTHER BOARDS. THEY'RE ALL AT LARGE.

SO I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. NO IT DOESN'T.

ANYTHING TO ADD FROM STAFF PLEASE? NO SIR THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL TIMEFRAME TO REQUIRE THE ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING GETS CHANGED FROM 60 TO 90 DAYS SO THAT YOU CAN ACCOMMODATE FOR THE CHANGE IN THE MAKEUP GROUP. MAKE A MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 2019-20. SECOND.

SECOND BY DEPUTY MAYOR ANDERSON.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM COUNCIL? IF NOT I'M GONNA.

MAYOR I DID.

I DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT CONCERN AND I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU WERE COMING FROM MR. BATTIN THINKING THAT THERE WAS JUST TWO AT LARGE.

THOSE TWO ARE BEING ENCOURAGED TO BE FROM THE CHAMBER.

SO I THINK THAT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT OF GUIDANCE OF WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM.

BUT I DO HAVE A LITTLE CONCERN OF HAVING ALL OF THEM BEING APPOINTED BY THE COUNCIL AT LARGE. I THINK WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE IN EFFECT THERE IS THAT THE MAJORITY IS GOING TO DROWN OUT THE MINORITIES VOICE IN THAT PROCESS ON COUNCIL.

AND I DON'T APPROVE THAT.

I THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE FIVE OF THEM. IF WE'RE GONNA DO SIX THERE SHOULD BE FIVE APPOINTED BY THE COUNCIL AND THEN THE LAST ONE AT LARGE. THAT ONE COULD BE SOMETHING RECOMMENDED BY THE CHAMBER.

I WOULD SUPPORT IT IF THAT WAS CHANGED.

MAYOR IF I MAY.

YEAH I MEAN IF YOU RECALL COUNCILMAN BAILEY THE CHANGE UP CAME BECAUSE THE MAYOR HAD ASKED THAT THE COUNCIL KIND OF TAKE CHARGE OF THIS AT FIRST AND I AGREE WITH THAT.

I THINK AS THIS EVOLVES THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE LOOKED AT LATER ON.

BUT WE WANT TO I GUESS YOU KNOW BECOME A PART OF THIS AND YOU KNOW ESSENTIALLY JUST MANAGE THIS AS WE GO ALONG.

AND IF IT EVOLVES THEN WE CAN CERTAINLY CHANGE THAT. BUT I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH CHANGING IT.

I JUST THINK AT THE MOMENT RIGHT NOW THAT IT'LL JUST BE TOO SUBSTANTIAL AND YOU KNOW I'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.

ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT.

MAYOR IF I JUST MAY FOLLOW UP. MY UNDERSTANDING IS WHAT WE WERE ASKING IS THAT THE COUNCIL TO TAKE THE LEAD IN IT.

NOW WE'RE HAVING 11 MEMBERS AND THERE'S ONLY 5 FROM COUNCIL.

SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO BE DROWNED OUT BY APPOINTEES THAT ULTIMATELY ARE DECIDED BY NO OTHERS IN THE PROCESS.

SO I THINK THIS IS THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT I UNDERSTOOD THE INTENT TO BE AT LEAST AS FAR AS COUNCIL HAVING LEADERSHIP ROLE IN THIS TO GET IT STARTED.

SO AGAIN I CAN'T SUPPORT IT THE WAY IT IS.

I REALLY THINK THAT EXPANDED IT OUT IS GONNA MAKE IT MORE COMPLICATED THAN IT NEEDS TO BE TO GET STARTED WITH.

IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE COUNCIL TAKE THE LEAD ROLE THEN WE SHOULD BE THE MAJORITY ON THE BOARD. BUT GIVEN THE WAY THAT IT IS NOW I THINK THAT IT WOULD DEFINITELY BE IMPORTANT HAVE INDIVIDUAL VOTING MEMBERS AND WE CAN STILL MOVE IT FORWARD FROM THERE.

IF THE THOUGHT PROCESS WAS TO KIND OF BE IN THAT SAME BOAT AS WITH THE CRA [INAUDIBLE] COME OFF OF IT THEN WE GO TOWARDS THE RESIDENTS. JUST A THOUGHT.

I MEAN IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT WERE TO HAPPEN RIGHT NOW PATRICIA THEN IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK OR CAN WE MAKE THAT TYPE OF CHANGE? WE ARE ON THE FIRST READING? NO.

ACTUALLY THIS IS THE ONLY READING.

I THOUGHT IT WAS FIRST READING. AND I REMEMBER HOW THIS CAME BACK WAS BECAUSE SOMEBODY WANTED RESIDENTS ON RIGHT? SOMEONE WANTED RESIDENTS INSTITUTION OF HIGHER LEARNING.

WE ALREADY HAVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE YOU KNOW THEY FILED THEIR APPLICATION.

WE'VE APPOINTED THEM. I THINK THERE'S MORE FILING APPLICATIONS.

THE REASON WHY I THREW THESE TWO CITIZENS HERE IS BECAUSE I'VE BEEN ASKED BY SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WANTS TO BECOME A PART OF THIS.

SO I MEAN I DON'T THINK THERE'S GONNA BE A LACK OF PEOPLE ON HERE AS NON COUNCIL MEMBERS

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PATRICIA DO YOU WANT TO ANSWER THE MAYOR'S QUESTION OR? NO SHE SAID THAT NOTHING SUBSTANTIAL BUT I'M OKAY.

I'M OKAY WITH THAT SIR.

SO TO BE CLEAR THERE'S ALREADY FOUR OF THOSE APPOINTED? THAT'S FINALIZED.

I BELIEVE WE APPOINTED AT THE LAST ONE WAS IT.

I'M SORRY I FORGOT.

WAS IT 3 OR 4? NO THERE WAS A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THERE THAT NIGHT. THERE WAS A NUMBER OF THEM. I THOUGHT IT WAS TWO FOR SOME REASON. I'M NOT. YEAH. I KNOW THAT THERE ARE MORE APPLICATIONS COMING IN.

IT WAS TWO APPOINTMENTS. THAT'S WHAT I RECALL.

ALL RIGHT.

WITH THAT.

AND SO MAYOR JUST IF I CAN MAKE A POINT GIVEN WHAT MR. SANTIAGO JUST SAID AS WE SAID THOSE FOLKS WHO ARE APPLYING MY VOTE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THEIR INTERESTS AND I'M GLAD THAT THEY'RE INTERESTED.

I JUST DON'T THINK THIS IS A PROPER SETUP SO THAT'S WHY I'M VOTING AGAINST IT.

AND MAYOR IT WAS TWO APPOINTMENTS.

IT WAS JESSICA MOORE AND IRA MURRAY LAST MEETING.

AND NOW IT HITS. WE DID HAVE 4 AND WE RANKED THE TOP TWO BECAUSE THE ORDINANCE AND THAT'S WHY HE CHANGED IT.

RIGHT. BECAUSE WE COULD ONLY DO 2 AND WE HAD 4.

YEAH AND NOW WE'RE EXPANDING NOT JUST TWO MORE BUT 4 MORE.

SO WE ONLY HAD FOUR APPLICATIONS FOR TWO SPOTS NOW WE'RE ADDING FOUR MORE FOR THOSE OTHER TWO AND I GUESS I HOPE WE HAVE TWO MORE AT LEAST TWO MORE.

THAT MEANS EVERYBODY WHO WANTS TO PARTICIPATE IS GOING TO GET TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS ONE I GUESS.

WITH THAT I'M GOING TO CALL IT. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. NAY. ITEM 6 WAS PULLED. MRS. SMITH.

ORDINANCE NUMBER 2019-21 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY BREVARD COUNTY FLORIDA AMENDING THE FISCAL YEAR 2019 BUDGET BY APPROPRIATING AND ALLOCATING FUNDS AS FOLLOWS: USE OF UNDESIGNATED FUND BALANCE IN THE FOLLOWING FUNDS: GENERAL FUND LAW ENFORCEMENT TRUST FUND UTILITY OPERATING FUND UTILITIES CONNECTION FEE FUND UTILITIES RENEWAL REPLACEMENT FUND AND BUILDING FUND RECOGNIZING THE PROPERTY SALES AND TRANSFERRING FUNDS RECOGNIZING PROPERTY SALES AND TRANSFERRING FUNDS TO THE ROAD MAINTENANCE CIP FUND.

TRANSFERRING 300,000 FROM GENERAL FUND TO THE ROAD MAINTENANCE CIP FUND FOR COUNCIL'S REQUEST RECOGNIZING ADDITIONAL REVENUE DUE TO BCRA MILLAGE RATE CORRECTION DUE TO BREVARD COUNTY RATE CHANGE TRANSFER ADVERTISING EXPENSES TO SUPPORT PART TIME BCRA SECRETARY POSITION RECOGNIZING THAT SUCH APPROPRIATIONS MUST BE MADE PURSUANT TO THE CODE OF ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY CHAPTER 35.

ADOPTING RATIFYING CONFIRMING AND VALIDATING THE ALLOCATIONS PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU MR. SMITH. WE HAVE A FIVE MINUTE CARD FROM THOMAS GAUME.

THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COUPLE GENERAL STATEMENTS AND MAYBE HAVE A QUESTION ANSWERED.

THE FIRST THING I NOTICED WAS UNDER THE BAYFRONT REDEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FUND NUMBER 181 WE HAD REVENUES COME IN AT A TOTAL OF $38,711 AND THEN TURNED RIGHT AROUND AND SPENT IT AND THEN ADDED AN ADDITIONAL $15,000 FOR A SECRETARY POSITION IN THE BCRA WITH THE EXPLANATION THAT THE POSITION WAS APPROVED IN FISCAL YEAR 2019 BUT NOT BUDGETED.

NOW WHEN THIS COUNCIL RECEIVES DIRECTION FROM THE STATE TO DO SOMETHING THEY CALL IT AN UNFUNDED MANDATE.

I WOULD ASK WHAT MAKES THIS ANY DIFFERENT? YOU'RE DOING IT TO YOURSELF THOUGH SO WHY ARE YOU GOING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE STATE MAKING UNFUNDED MANDATES WHEN YOU'RE DOING EXACTLY THE SAME THING WITH YOUR OWN BUDGET? AND THEN WHEN YOU GO TO THE UTILITY OPERATING FUND 421 423 AND 451 EVERY ONE OF THOSE PARAGRAPHS STARTS WITH ADDITIONAL FUNDING NEEDED WHICH MEANS THAT IT'S BEEN ESTIMATED AT ONE POINT.

IT WAS ENGINEERED AT ONE POINT AND NOW THEY'RE COMING BACK AND ASKING FOR $601,236 OF ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THESE PROJECTS. NOW LATER TONIGHT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE ROADS AND THE SAME CITY STAFF ENGINEERING OUR ROAD PROGRAM. SO I'M GOING TO ASK THIS QUESTION SEVERAL TIMES TONIGHT IF YOU'RE RUNNING IN COST OVERRUNS HERE WHERE'S THE COST OVERRUNS GOING TO COME FROM OUT OF THE BOND MONEY? BECAUSE IF YOU GO OUT TO A PRIVATE CONTRACTOR FOR THE ENGINEERING AND THEY GIVE YOU A

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IF YOU DO IT IN-HOUSE AND THEY GIVE YOU A QUOTE AND THERE'S COST OVERRUNS IT FALLS BACK ON THE CITIZENS.

OUT OF WHAT FUND THOUGH? DOES IT COME OUT OF THE BOND MONEY OR WILL THAT COME OUT OF GENERAL FUND MONEY? THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

MAYOR MAY I FOLLOW UP WITH A QUESTION ON THAT. MS. MORRELL IN REGARDS TO THE UTILITY ISSUES WERE THOSE IN HOUSE COST OVERRUNS OR WERE THOSE CONTRACTUAL OVERRUNS WITH OUTSIDE VENDORS? THESE ITEMS WERE APPROVED ON JANUARY 3RD 2019. SO IT CAME BEFORE COUNCIL.

WE'RE JUST RECTIFYING THOSE EXPENDITURES WE HAVE ALREADY ACTUALLY APPROVED.

SOME OF THEM ARE NOT COUNCIL APPROVED THAT'S WHY THEY'RE ON THE B.A.

BECAUSE THEY'RE OPERATING. THEY CAN DO THAT BETWEEN THEIR OPERATING FUND.

BUT IF I RECALL CORRECTLY AND I WILL DEFER TO MR. LITTLE UTILITIES DIRECTOR BUT I BELIEVE THERE'S A WAIT [INAUDIBLE] YES. ENOUGH FOR ME.

I JUST WANT MAKE THAT POINT BECAUSE THIS WE DO HAVE A CONTRACTOR AND THEY'RE NOT NECESSARY LIVING AND DYING BY THE DATE. THEY HAVE THINGS THAT THEY CAN DO IN CHANGE ORDERS AND OTHER ISSUES THAT COME BEFORE US TO CHANGE IT.

SO THERE IS RISK ASSOCIATED WITH BOTH WAYS.

I JUST WANTED TO KEEP EVERYBODY AWARE OF THAT.

ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT I'M GOING TO NEED A MOTION COUNCIL.

NOT EVERYBODY AT ONCE.

MAYOR I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 2019-21.

SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN SANTIAGO.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM COUNCIL? YEAH. MAYOR I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT WHILE I DID NOT APPROVE THIS YEAR'S BUDGET AND THAT NO I DID NOT SUPPORT THE FACT THAT IT ONLY HAD $200,000 OF ROAD FUNDING WHILE WE WERE EXPANDING DIVISIONS OF DEPARTMENTS NOT JUST DEPARTMENTS BUT DIVISIONS OF DEPARTMENTS BY BOARD AND THAT IN AREAS THAT I DID NOT THINK WERE KEY PRIORITIES I AM HAPPY TO SEE THAT COUNCIL AND STAFF WE HAVE SURVIVED THE HURRICANE SEASON AND THAT WE ARE ADDING A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY BACK TO IT AS COMPARATIVE TO WHAT WE HAD IN THERE TO THE MAINTENANCE FUND. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I GIVE CREDIT DUE TO STAFF AND COUNCIL HOLDING TO THAT PROMISE.

WE KEEP MOVING FORWARD.

WE STILL HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ESTABLISH A REVENUE STREAM FOR THIS.

THESE ARE NOT REVENUE STREAMS BUT THESE ARE CERTAINLY VERY BENEFICIARY TO THE ACCOUNTS OR TO THAT FUND. SO I JUST APPRECIATE COUNCIL DOING THAT AND SO I WILL BE HAPPY TO SUPPORT THIS ONE UNLIKE SOME PAST BUDGET AMENDMENTS THAT DIDN'T INCLUDE SUCH ITEMS. ON THAT NOTE YES.

IF I MAY I SORT OF WANT TO JUST DWELL IN THIS MOMENT RIGHT NOW FOR A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE COUNCILMAN BAILEY JUST RIGHT NOW JUST MADE A MOTION IN THE AFFIRMATIVE FOR A BUDGET AMENDMENT HERE.

BUT I ALSO WANT TO SAY. I SAY THAT IN JEST.

BUT I ALSO WANT TO SAY YOU KNOW AGAIN WHERE WE'RE CARRYING OUT OUR PROMISES AND YOU KNOW PUTTING AN EXTRA $200,000 INTO THE ROAD MAINTENANCE AND JUST AS WE SAID NO HURRICANE NOTHING. YOU KNOW WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING SO.

AND NOT JUST 300.

PLUS THE 560.

PLUS THE 560. OF COURSE THAT WAS ALREADY DEDICATED AND PROMISED.

AND I WANT TO SEE THAT COUNCIL CONTINUES TO KEEP THE EXCESSIVE PROPERTIES THAT WE HAVE ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT WE RECEIVED FROM GDC.

THEY WERE GIVEN TO US AS COMPENSATION CORE SETTLEMENT FOR TAKING OVER THE LIABILITY OF THE ROADS AND THE LIABILITY OF THE ROADS AS WE ALL KNOW IN PALM BAY ARE QUITE LARGE.

AND THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE DEDICATED TO.

WE SHOULD NOT BE DEDICATING THOSE TO ANYTHING ELSE. SO ALTHOUGH I SEE THEM AS SUNK COSTS. NOT SUNK COSTS BUT I SEE THEM AS ALREADY SETTLED MATTERS.

THEY SHOULD BE COMING IN AS WE SELL TO THE ROAD MAINTENANCE PROGRAM THAT THERE IS ADDITIONAL 506 THERE AS WELL SO IT'S REALLY $860,000 WHICH IS MUCH BETTER THAN WHAT WE DID OUT OF OUR REGULAR BUDGET.

IS THAT THE ACTUAL NUMBER? IT'S RIGHT THERE. 860 TO 372.

BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT WE WERE CLOSER TO A MILLION WHEN WE WERE ALL DONE WITH EVERYTHING FOR THE ROAD MAINTENANCE FUND.

WHEN YOU'RE ADDING THE 200 THAT WE ALREADY BUDGETED IN RECORD.

OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE WHOLE NUMBERS [INAUDIBLE].

WITH THAT I'M GONNA CALL IT.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE.

ALL OPPOSED SAY NAY.

MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUS.

[INAUDIBLE] MRS. MORRELL ITEM SEVEN.

YES MAYOR.

THIS IS A ADDITION TO A PREVIOUSLY DESIGNED STORMWATER PROJECT.

I BELIEVE IT WAS IN THE 2014 2018 PROJECT TIMEFRAME THAT WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED AND UPON THE CONSTRUCTION WAS FOUND THAT THERE IS A DEFICIENCY THERE AND IT NEEDS A [INAUDIBLE] FUNDING FOR $120,000 OUT OF THE STORMWATER FUND.

I HAVE STAFF ON HAND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS TECHNICALLY OR OTHERWISE.

WE HAVE A FIVE MINUTE CARD. YES WE DO. THOMAS GAUM.

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ALONG THE SAME LINES AS THE LAST ISSUE.

THE HARPER BOULEVARD C18 CALL FOR REPLACEMENT. I WENT ONLINE AND LOOKED IT UP.

IT WAS ORIGINALLY BUDGETED FOR $50,000.

SO NOW WE'RE ADDING ANOTHER $100,000 IN COST OVERRUNS TO IT OR 300% OF WHAT THE ORIGINAL COST WAS.

ON THE OTHER ITEM THE CURED PIPE REPLACEMENT I BELIEVE I FOUND THE CORRECT NUMBER WAS ORIGINALLY ACTUALLY ONLINE IT SHOWS IT'S 18SU07 NOT 19.

THERE IS NO 19 SU07 ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE BUT THE 18 VERSION OR IF IT IS THE RIGHT ONE WAS ORIGINALLY FUNDED FOR A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.

NOW WE'RE ADDING ANOTHER $120,000 OR 20 PERCENT IN COST OVERRUNS TO THAT PROJECT FOR AN AVERAGE OF 44% IN COST OVERRUNS FROM PROJECTS THAT WERE DESIGN AND ENGINEERS IN OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT. SO WHILE THEY'RE PROMISING A 15 PERCENT SAVINGS ON THE ROAD PROJECT HISTORY SHOWS THAT THERE'S COST OVERRUNS AND I QUESTION THAT 15 PERCENT SAVINGS.

THANK YOU.

LISA ANYTHING TO ADD? MR. WEISE THE INTERIM PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND WHEN WE BUILD PROJECTS LIKE THIS WE INITIALLY PUT THE $50,000 LINE ITEM ON THERE SO WE CAN START OUR SURVEY AND OUR DESIGN PIECE.

THAT BECOMES THE CRITICAL PIECE OF WHAT A PROJECT'S GOING TO BECOME SO WHEN YOU DO SEE $50,000 THAT'S A START FOR US.

AND THEN AS WE START TO REALIZE ALL THE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS AND PIECES THAT GO INTO THE PROJECT THEN IT BECOMES ENGINEERS' ESTIMATES AND THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE THE INCREASES IN THE COST.

AND THIS ONE HERE FRANK IF YOU WANT TO COME UP. THERE WAS EVEN SOME ADDITIONAL CHANGES TO IT WHICH HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH OUR ROAD PROGRAM THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO EVEN EXPEDITE THINGS EVEN FURTHER AND I'LL LET FRANK EXPLAIN THAT BECAUSE HE'S GOT MORE OF THE TECHNICAL EXPERTISE.

THANKS AGAIN BARNEY.

FRANK WANTANABE YOUR ENGINEERING MANAGER.

ON THIS PROJECT ON THE HARPER AND THEN THERE WAS THE [INAUDIBLE] CULVERTS. THESE ARE LARGE BOX CULVERTS.

WE CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THREE OF THEM OUT TO DO CONSTRUCTION.

AND WITH THAT WE HAVE SOME GOOD IDEAS IN COST.

THE BOXES WE'RE CURRENTLY INSTALLING ARE A LOT SMALLER AND SHORTER.

THESE ARE LONGER AND SLIGHTLY BIGGER SO THE COST HAS SHOWN ASSOCIATED TO BE SLIGHTLY HIGHER. SO WE ADJUSTED THE COST.

IN ADDITION TO THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW ACCELERATING THESE PIPE PROJECTS FOR THE ROAD PROJECTS BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO SLOW DOWN THE ROAD PROJECTS.

SO IN THAT PROCESS WE'RE COMPRESSING THE SCHEDULES AND AT THE SAME TIME CHANGING SOME OF THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS.

INSTEAD OF HAVING TO BUILD TYPICALLY IN CONSTRUCTION SAVE ON CASH YOU CAST IN PLACE.

NOW WE'RE DOING PRE CASTS AND SO THEY'RE SHIPPED IN BECAUSE THEY'RE QUICKER.

SO TRYING TO COMPRESS TIMES JUST TO GET THESE PIPE PROJECTS AND CUT CULVERTS BUILT IN ADVANCE OF THE ROAD PROJECTS.

SO THESE ARE ALL TOOLS WE'RE SAYING TO TRY TO ACCELERATE OUR DESIGN BUT SAME TIME TRYING TO KEEP IT COST EFFECTIVE. SO THOSE ARE THE REASONS WHY THE COSTS WENT UP IN THESE CULVERT PROJECTS.

MAYOR IF I MAY MS. MORRELL I DID WANT TO ASK MR. WANTANABE A QUESTION HERE REGARDING THESE COSTS IF I MAY.

SURE.

WHAT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT: WHAT IS THE DIFFERENTIAL? I THINK IN MARGINS SO YOU'RE GOING TO KEEP HEARING THAT FROM ME FOR A WHILE.

THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M THINKING.

WHAT IS THE MARGINAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PRE CAST AND THE CAST IN PLACE? TYPICALLY WHAT IT IS IS WHEN YOU DO CAST IN PLACE THE CONTRACTOR BUILDS THEM OUT IN THE FIELD SO IT KEEPS A LOT OF THE COSTS WITHIN THEMSELF WITHIN THE CREW SO THE COST COMES DOWN. WHEN YOU PRE CAST YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT AND YOU BUY IT FROM A MANUFACTURER. AND TYPICLALY WHEN YOU BUY FROM MANUFACTURER THERE'S A LOT OF PROFITS AND OTHER COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

PLUS THERE'S TRUCKING COSTS AND ALL THIS OTHER COST ESPECIALLY LARGE BOXES.

THEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TRUCKING AND CRANES.

SO THERE'S ADDITIONAL COST ASSOCIATED WITH BRINGING THE PRE CAST BOXES.

THAT'S WHY MORE AND MORE CONTRACTORS LIKE TO DO IT ON SITE.

AND THAT'S WHY THE CAST IN PLACE ARE A LOT MORE COST EFFECTIVE WHEN YOU HAVE TIME.

IN THIS SITUATION SINCE WE'RE TRYING TO ACCELERATE THE TIME TO COMPRESS IT TO GET THE PIPE PROJECTS DONE IN ADVANCE OF THE ROAD PROJECTS THAT WE'RE HOPING TO START HOPEFULLY IN AUGUST THAT'S WHY OUR WINDOW IS GETTING TIGHTER AND TIGHTER TO GET THESE PROJECTS COMPLETED.

SURE. AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

BUT WHY I'M CURIOUS THOUGH IS HOW MUCH IS IT COSTING US TO COMPRESS THE SCHEDULE? WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE IN THE PRICES BETWEEN PRE CAST AND CAST FOR THESE PROJECTS? IT'S HARD TO SAY RIGHT NOW.

BASED ON WHAT WE'RE BUDGETING? BECAUSE EACH CONTRACTOR. I CONTACTED A FEW CONTRACTORS, IT VARIES BASED ON THE CONTRACTORS.

BUT YOU KNOW IT COULD BE A SLIGHT FROM 20 TO 25 PERCENT INCREASE IN SOME OF THE COSTS.

AGAIN DEPENDS ON SOME OF THE CONTRACTORS.

THE ONE I CONTACTED WAS THE CURRENT CONTRACTOR THAT WE'RE USING RIGHT NOW.

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I SAID THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SO I USED HIS INFORMATION TO KIND OF GUIDE US TO BUDGET THIS PROJECT.

THE ISSUE COULD BE IF THIS CONTRACTOR DOESN'T GET IT ANOTHER CONTRACTOR GETS IT, IT MAY BE EVEN HIGHER.

OK. I JUST WANT TO HAVE AN IDEA OF THAT BECAUSE I MEAN CERTAINLY THAT'S A CONCERN FOR ME.

FOR ME I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A LOT IN FRONT OF US.

I WANT US TO I'M MORE IN FAVOR OF TAKING IT SLOW AND DOING IT RIGHT.

SO WE DON'T SLIP AND FALL AND END UP SPILLING OUR CASH EVERYWHERE.

SO I REALIZE THIS IS RELATIVELY SMALL IN THE BIG PICTURE SO THOSE ARE IN PLACE. WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS IF WE HAVE TOO MANY THINGS THAT WE'RE INCURRING THAT 20 25 PERCENT INCREASE COSTS TO SPEED IT UP BUT I UNDERSTAND ALSO THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT SPEEDING UP THE PROCESS WITH THE ROADS AND OTHER THINGS SURELY MIGHT SAVE US MONEY AS WELL.

WE HAVE TO STAY ON SCHEDULE.

WHAT IS THE ACCELERATED TIME FRAME VERSUS PRE CAST AND THE CAST AT THE [INAUDIBLE]? A GOOD EXAMPLE IS THE CURRENT CONTRACT WE HAVE NOW.

I THINK IT'S LIKE A HUNDRED DAYS AND I THINK IT GOT EXPANDED TO 120 DAYS SO YOU LOOK AT IT. AND HAT WAS TIGHT FOR THE CURRENT CONTRACTOR.

SO AT THE CURRENT ONE NOW I'M SHOOTING AT IF WE GET THE PLAN APPROVED AND WE GET THESE BIDS READY TO GO OUT, 90 DAYS.

SO REALLY COMPRESS THAT SCHEDULE BECAUSE EVEN WITH 90 DAYS IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT I GET ADVERTISED AND READY TO GO LET'S SAY IN MARCH WE'RE PUSHING BACK TOWARDS THAT AUGUST DATE BECAUSE I GOT IT DIDN'T GET THAT PAVING PROJECT ADVERTISED OUT IN ADVANCE.

SO EVERY TIME I EXPAND THAT PIPE CONTRACT IT PUSHES THAT ROAD PROJECT FARTHER OUT.

AND THIS IS ONLY FOR THIS YEAR. FOR NEXT YEAR, TOTALLY DIFFERENT BALLGAME BECAUSE WE'D BE AHEAD OF THE CURVE.

WE'LL HAVE THE DESIGNS AHEAD OF TIME.

WE WON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT COMPRESSING THE SCHEDULES AND COMPRESSING THE COSTS.

AND THE PRECAST WILL SAVE YOU ABOUT A MONTH TIME FRAME? EXACTLY.

THANK YOU GENTLEMEN. ANY OTHER CARDS? OKAY I'M GOING NEED A MOTION ON ITEM 7. NOT EVERYBODY RUSH AT ONCE.

MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF AUTHORIZING THE USE OF UNBUDGETED STORM WATER UTILITY FUNDS FOR THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF CERTAIN STORM WATER UTILITY PROJECTS.

SECOND.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN SANTIAGO.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, COUNCIL? YEAH. JUST MAYBE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR STAFF IF I COULD.

EITHER ONE OF YOU, IS THIS GONNA HOLD UP ANY CURRENT STORMWATER PROGRAMS WE HAVE NOW? ARE WE DIVERTING ANY FUNDS FROM ANY CURRENT STORMWATER PROGRAMS WE ARE DOING NOW TO DO THIS.

NO WE'RE NOT.

THANK YOU.

WITH THAT I'M GOING TO CALL IT.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED SAY NAY.

MOTION CARRIES.

ITEM 8.

MRS. MORRELL.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. THIS ITEM IS ON THE AGENDA FROM YOUR LAST JOINT WORKSHOP BETWEEN THE IAO BOARD AND YOURSELVES APPROVING YEAR 1 ROAD PAVING PROJECT AND USE OF THE THE COST OF THE BOND FUNDING FOR THAT. IT INCLUDES IN-HOUSE DESIGN AND INSPECTION [INAUDIBLE] 1.1 MILLION DOLLARS FOR THOSE ITEMS. LEAVE IT FOR COUNCIL'S DISCUSSION.

YOU CAN ALWAYS AMEND THE MOTION.

WE REALLY NEED A YEAR ONE PLAN FOR MOST OF THE NEXT STAGES OF THE OF THE OF THE PROGRAM.

THANK YOU.

WE HAVE A FIVE MINUTE CARD.

NOTICE I'M NOT GOING VERY FAR AWAY.

THOMAS GAUME 1700 LANTANA COURT.

THANK YOU MR. MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

IF YOU RECALL AT OUR JOINT WORKSHOP WITH THE IOAB I HAD ASKED FOR THE COMPARISONS BETWEEN STAFF ENGINEERING AND OUTSIDE SOURCING ENGINEERING.

SO THE FIRST THING I'D LIKE TO DO IS TO ASK YOU TO TABLE THIS BECAUSE WHILE YOU HAVE THOSE NUMBERS, THOSE NUMBERS HAVEN'T BEEN SENT TO THE PUBLIC.

THEY WEREN'T ADVERTISED ALONG WITH THIS PACKAGE.

SO WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE COST COMPARISON IS.

YOU DO, BUT THE PUBLIC DON'T.

SO NOW WE'RE GOING OUT AND WE'RE BUYING VEHICLES WE'RE HIRING PEOPLE, THE SAME TYPE OF PEOPLE WE CAN'T HIRE TO EXPEDITE OUR PERMITTING PROCESS OFFICE SUPPLIES, CELL PHONES, CAD SOFTWARE, COMPUTERS, MONITORS.

WHERE ARE WE GOING TO HOUSE THESE PEOPLE? 1.13 MILLION DOLLARS OUT OF THE ROAD BOND PROJECT STAYING IN HOUSE.

I'M ALWAYS CAUTIOUS COMING OUT OF THE MILITARY BECAUSE IN THE MILITARY ANYBODY TELLS YOU THAT THE MILITARY ISN'T POLITICAL NEVER SERVED BECAUSE THERE IS A TERM IN THE MILITARY

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CAN THIS BE DONE CHEAPER MORE EFFICIENTLY BY OUTSIDE CONTRACTORS ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE FACT THAT I JUST SHOWED YOU NUMEROUS POINTS OF COST OVERRUNS WHEN DONE IN-HOUSE AND I'D STILL LIKE AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION WHEN THERE IS A COST OVERRUN CONCERNING THIS ROAD BOND PROJECT, WHERE IS THAT MONEY GOING TO COME FROM? BECAUSE I'D MUCH RATHER THAT MONEY OR MUCH RATHER A CONTRACTOR BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THAT MONEY THAN THE CITIZENS BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THAT MONEY.

AND WITH THAT.

THANK YOU.

MS. MORRELL. YES. BOBBYE MARSALA WHO IS OUR CHIEF PROCUREMENT OFFICER WHO CAN SPEAK ON SOME OF OUR HISTORICAL PROJECTS WHERE WE HAVE GONE OUT WITHOUT OUTSOURCED ENGINEERING AND THERE IS A RECENT PROJECT OF A DRIVEWAY FOR THE CAMPGROUND THAT ACTUALLY WAS 15 TO 20 PERCENT OF THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION COST WAS IN DESIGN FOR OUTSOURCING WHERE PUBLIC WORKS I THINK WOULD TURN IT AROUND WITHIN LIKE THE SAME DAY TWO DAYS SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT WAS VERY VERY IT WAS NOT TWENTY FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR A DRIVEWAY DESIGN.

UP. PHIL WEINBERG.

PHIL WEINBERG 466 SCANLAN ROAD.

I AM ABSOLUTELY TOTALLY IN FAVOR OF THIS ROAD PROGRAM. WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.

YOU'VE FINALLY REACHED A CONSENSUS AT OUR LAST JOINT WORKSHOP.

YOU KNOW EVERYBODY'S GOT THEIR OWN IDEAS.

YOU KNOW EVERYBODY'S GOT SUGGESTIONS I WANT TO SEE THIS STREET I WANT TO SEE THAT STREET DONE ALL THAT STUFF.

IN SIMPLE TERMS YOU CAN'T PLEASE EVERYBODY.

THERE'S NO WAY.

PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COMPLAIN NO MATTER WHAT.

THE THING ABOUT IT IS IS BEFORE THIS WHOLE PROCESS STARTED, IF YOU HAD TOLD THESE PEOPLE WHO'VE BEEN LIVING ON FAILED ROADS LIKE MYSELF FOR THE LAST 5, 10, 15, 20 YEARS THAT WITHIN 5 YEARS YOUR ROAD WILL BE FIXED THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN DELIGHTED.

OK IS THIS PLAN PERFECT? NO IT CAN'T BE.

IT CAN'T BE BUT IT'S ABOUT AS GOOD AS IT CAN GET.

WE'RE GONNA LEARN FROM IT.

IT'S A GREAT PLAN ESPECIALLY WITH THE ADDITION OF UNIT 42 ESPECIALLY SINCE WE'RE GONNA DO THREE DRAWS ON 150 MILLION DOLLAR BOND IT MAKES SENSE.

OK. IT ALSO MAKES SENSE TO TO BUY THOSE SIX VEHICLES.

I THINK IT'S FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE RATHER THAN LEASING THEM.

IT'S LESS.

IN ADDITION THE ANNUAL COST TO OUTSOURCE THE ENGINEERING WOULD BE 2,140,000 DOLLARS A YEAR VERSUS THE IN THE HOUSE WITH BENEFITS OF 595,000 A YEAR.

AND THAT WAS IN THE TONIGHT'S AGENDA PACKET.

THAT WOULD COST TO OUTSOURCE THE ENGINEERING WOULD COST ONE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS MORE A YEAR.

IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. THANK YOU.

BILL BATTIN.

BILL BATTIN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SW.

WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT YEAR ONE I NOTICED ON COLLECTOR STREETS YOU HAD GARVEY ROAD AS A COLLECTOR STREET THAT BRINGS ME TO A QUESTION AS YOU FOLLOW GARVEY DOWN IN THE SAME UNIT FOR WHICH YOU'RE PAVING YOU COME TO CANAL NUMBER 16.

THOSE CULVERTS WERE PULLED WHICH MADE THAT A DEAD END ROAD.

THOSE CULVERTS WERE PULLED JUST ABOUT THE SAME TIME THE CITY PURCHASED THE LAND ALONG GARVEY ROAD AND THE CANAL 16.

SO MY QUESTION IS IS THAT CURRENTLY IN THE BUDGET TO PUT THOSE CULVERTS IN ON 16? RIGHT. THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE.

AND THEN FROM THERE IN ORDER TO GO UP GARVEY ROAD WHICH YOU ARE CONSIDERING YOUR COLLECTOR ROAD YOU HAVE TO GO DOWN GUESS WHICH ROAD? GAYNOR DRIVE TO REACH GARVEY.

I KEEP BRINGING GAYNOR UP AND I KEEP GETTING IGNORED.

I'M TRYING TO TELL YOU THERE'S A REASON I DO IT AND THIS HAPPENS TO BE IT BECAUSE WE CAN GET THAT UNDER TIF MONEY.

TIF. TIF.

NOT MY BOND, TIF.

WHICH BRINGS ME DOWN TO YOUR IMPACT FEE FUNDS OF 2.5 MILLION DOLLARS.

IT'S SITTING THERE IN YOUR BUDGET UNDER I THINK WHAT IS NEW BUSINESS NUMBER NINE OR WHATEVER IT'S THERE.

IT'S IN THE BUDGET. USE TIF MONEY NOT MY BOND MONEY GO BACK TO MY INITIAL STATEMENT UNDER PUBLIC COMMENTS GO BACK AND CHECK THE MINUTES AND YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO DO THAT.

SO PLEASE DO IT.

THAT WOULD GIVE ME A WHOLE BUNCH OF MONEY TO PAVE MORE ROADS.

IT'S NOT COMING OUT OF THE BOND MONEY.

THANK YOU VERY.

WELL ONE OTHER THING.

IF WE END UP WITH DOING OUTSOURCING AND WE HAVE A CONFLICT WITH THE CONTRACTOR WE CAN BE TIED UP IN COURT FOR YEARS AND STILL LOSE.

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AARON PARR.

GOOD EVENING.

AARON PARR 1360 KANAB AVENUE NW PALM BAY.

LOOKING AT THE PLAN FOR YEAR 1, I WAS DRIVING IN IS MORE AFTER THE LAST WORKSHOP MEETING AND LOOKING A LITTLE BIT MORE AT IT AND YEAR 1 YES IT'S A LITTLE SPREAD OUT IT'S SPREAD OUT I WOULD ALMOST REFER TO IT AS ALMOST LIKE A SCATTER PLOT BUT I UNDERSTAND THE ARGUMENT YOU WANT EVERYBODY TO SEE A PRODUCT I GET THAT ARGUMENT AND THAT HAS A LOT OF MERIT TO IT. IT IS LEGITIMATE BUT I FEEL THAT IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING MORE LEGITIMATE TO MAKE SURE THAT FUNDS ARE THERE TO SEE IT THROUGH ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE ALL THE YEARS.

AT THAT WORKSHOP I HEARD SEVERAL THINGS TALKED ABOUT HOW THE MONEY IS ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT TIGHT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BOND MONEY ALL THE SUDDEN AND IF WE'RE REMOTELY IN THE CONSIDERATION THAT IT MIGHT RUN OUT I THINK THE CONCERN SHOULD BE TO FOCUS ON CONSOLIDATING THE AREAS OF WORK TO DECREASE THE COST IN ANY WAY POSSIBLE EARLY ON IN THE PROJECT TO MAKE SURE THAT PERSON GETS THAT PRODUCT IN YEAR FOUR YEAR FIVE BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD BE MORE OF AN UPSET CITIZEN TO NOT GET THE PRODUCT AT ALL DURING THIS PROGRAM WITH 150 MILLION DOLLARS THAN THE PERSON THAT MIGHT HAVE TO WAIT A YEAR OR TWO AS OPPOSED TO GETTING UP FRONT TO LET THEM SEE A PRODUCT ON THEIR WAY TO WORK.

THAT WAS IT ACTUALLY. THANK YOU.

WITH THAT I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO YOU.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL, STAFF.

MY NAME IS BOBBYE MARSALA, I'M THE CHIEF PROCUREMENT OFFICER WITH THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

ENGINEERING SERVICES.

WE DO CONTRACT THOSE OUT.

WE HAVE CONTINUING CONTRACTS AND OCCASIONALLY WE HAVE SPECIAL PROJECTS THAT WE DO WHERE WE CONTRACT OUT SERVICES FOR ENGINEERING ON CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS.

AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT TYPICALLY THE COST THAT WE PAY FOR ENGINEERING SERVICES RUNS APPROXIMATELY 10 PERCENT OF YOUR CONSTRUCTION VALUE.

AND THAT'S PRETTY STANDARD IN THE INDUSTRY.

SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO MIGHT WANT TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION I KNOW THAT THE POSITIONS THAT ARE LISTED COMPARABLE ON THIS PAGE THAT WE WOULD UTILIZE FOR AN IN-HOUSE STAFF.

KEEP IN MIND THAT WHEN WE CONTRACT OUT SERVICES FOR CONSULTANTS THEY ACTUALLY HAVE ADDITIONAL POSITIONS THAT THEY ADD ON FOR ALL OF THEIR PROJECTS THAT INCLUDE PRINCIPALS, SENIOR PROFESSIONALS, ADMINISTRATIVE AND CLERICAL AND PROJECT MANAGERS AND SOME OF THOSE POSITIONS RUN AS HIGH AS 230 TO 250 DOLLARS AN HOUR.

THAT COULD ALSO GET ADDED TO THOSE PAY SCHEDULES THAT THEY PROVIDE TO US.

IN ADDITION I THINK IF WE HAVE A LOT OF CONSULTANTS THAT WE HIRED TO DO THE ENGINEERING SERVICES ON HERE WE ALSO HAVE TO HAVE STAFF IN-HOUSE TO MANAGE THOSE PROJECTS AND KEEP THOSE TIMELINES MOVING FORWARD FOR THOSE OUTSIDE CONSULTANTS THAT WE BRING IN.

AS LISA MENTIONED EARLIER, WE MOST RECENTLY DID A REQUEST THROUGH ONE OF OUR CONTINUING CONSULTING ENGINEERING FIRMS TO DO SOME ROAD IMPROVE THE ENTRY WAY IMPROVEMENT PROJECT FOR THE FRED POPPE REGIONAL PARK IN ORDER TO GET RVS IN THERE TO JUST TO WIDEN THE ENTRANCE AND ADD SOME CURVES AND ADD AN ADDITIONAL LANE SO THAT THE RVS COULD GET IN AND OUT OF THE PARK.

OUR ESTIMATE TO DO THAT SMALL PROJECT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION.

FRANK CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

THAT WAS APPROXIMATELY 60,000 DOLLARS JUST TO DO THE PAVING WORK ITSELF.

THE ENGINEERING FEE THAT WE RECEIVED FROM ONE OF OUR CONTINUING CONSULTANTS WAS OVER 53,000 DOLLARS TO DO A 60,000 DOLLAR JOB.

SO OBVIOUSLY WE DECIDED NOT TO GO THAT ROUTE.

BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER.

YEAH. MAYOR I DO HAVE ONE.

WHENEVER WE GOT THAT COST OBVIOUSLY THAT'S RIDICULOUS.

IT WAS PRETTY CRAZY.

BUT WE HAVE MORE THAN ONE ENGINEER THAT WE KEEP ON TO CONSULT.

MY UNDERSTANDING.

I REMEMBER WE HAD FOUR ENGINEERS IS THAT CORRECT? FOR ENGINEERING CIVIL ENGINEERING I THINK WE HAVE FIVE CONSULTANTS ON OUR ROTATION LIST.

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SO ANYTHING IN EXCESS OF 2 MILLION DOLLARS WE HAVE TO GO BACK OUT THROUGH OUR SOLICITATION PROCESS WHICH IS QUALIFICATION BASED SELECTION.

WE CANNOT ASK THEM FOR PRICE.

WE HAVE TO DO THE EVALUATION, RANK THEM.

AND THEN OF COURSE IF YOU RECALL WE BRING THE RANKINGS BACK TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL AND AUTHORIZATION TO NEGOTIATE CONTRACTS WITH THE TOP RANKED FIRM ONLY.

YOU CANNOT COMPETITIVELY COMPETE ENGINEERING SERVICES BASED ON COST.

MY POINT OF THAT ASKING IF WE HAD OTHERS, DID WE RUN IT BY OTHERS? WAS THERE MORE THAN ONE QUOTE THAT WE RECEIVED? OR DID WE ONLY TAKE ONE QUOTE FROM ONE PERSON ON THAT ON FRED POPPE? WE HAD ONLY DONE ONE.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE MAYBE THEY DIDN'T REALLY WANT TO DO THE PROJECT.

UNLESS IT WAS AT THE RIGHT PROJECTS.

I DID CALL AND ASK THEM TO PLEASE PROVIDE ME SOME INFORMATION AS TO WHY YOUR COST WAS SO HIGH AND GIVE US SOME FEEDBACK ON THAT.

AND THEY DIDN'T RETURN MY PHONE CALL BUT THEY DID SEND AN ADDITIONAL BREAKOUT OF THEIR COST WHICH WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILED BUT THE PRICE DID NOT CHANGE.

AND ANOTHER QUESTION AND FORGIVE ME MS MORRELL I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE THE RIGHT PERSON TO ASK OR NOT BUT YOU MIGHT BE. WHAT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT IS WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE.

WE'RE CONCERNED, THE CONCERN FROM THE PUBLIC IS PROTECTING THE TAXPAYER PROTECTION AND PROTECTING THE RESIDENTS AND WHAT THEY'RE GETTING.

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PROTECTIONS OF IN-HOUSE VERSUS OUT OF HOUSE DESIGN? I MEAN IF WE CONTRACT IT OUT TO AN OUT OF HOUSE FIRM THEY DESIGN IT AND THERE'S A SCREW UP. WE STILL HAVE TO APPROVE IT BEFORE IT GETS BUILT CORRECTLY SO IN OTHER WORDS THAT LIABILITY STILL KIND OF COMES BACK ON US.

CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, WHERE ARE WE CROSSING THE LINE OF LIABILITY BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT WE KNOW THAT THESE ARE REAL COSTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE. WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER UNFORESEEN LIABILITIES THAT WE'RE HOLDING.

WELL I KNOW THAT WE REQUIRE THAT THEY CARRY PROFESSIONAL LIABILITY AND SOME OF THOSE OTHER THINGS MAYBE PATRICIA COULD ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE ISSUES BUT WE GET THOSE CERTIFICATES OF INSURANCE AND COVERAGE FROM THEM AND KEEP THEM ON FILE.

BUT AS FAR AS ANY OTHER LIABILITIES I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M LIKE YOU SAID THE APPROPRIATE PERSON THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

AND MAYBE LET ME START WITH THIS.

IF WE WERE TO DO OUT A HOUSE DESIGN WOULD IT COME BACK TO COUNCIL OR TO STAFF FOR APPROVAL? WOULD COME BACK TO THE CITY FOR APPROVAL? THE DESIGNS THEMSELVES? CORRECT. YES I WOULD SAY SO.

YES.

SO THEN MY NEXT QUESTION I GUESS FROM MS SMITH WOULD THAT HOW DO WE PROTECT OURSELVES FROM ANY LIABILITY OF APPROVING A BAD DESIGN? ARE YOU UNDERSTANDING WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY BAD DESIGN, A DESIGN THAT TURNS OUT TO BE SOME TYPE OF A PROBLEM IN THE FUTURE.

WELL I THINK ABOUT MALABAR ROAD THERE IS THERE IS NO REAL WAY I CAN SAY THAT YOU COMPLETELY PROTECT YOURSELF.

YOU STAY ON TOP OF IT YOU LOOK CERTAINLY TO SEE IF THERE ANY SIGNS THAT THE DESIGN IS FAILING AND OF COURSE REQUIRING THOSE THAT ARE INVOLVED TO HAVE INSURANCE BUT YOU HAVE TO REALIZE WHEN YOU GET TO THESE PROBLEMS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE WHETHER IT'S TO DESIGN OR REALLY IS IT THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION.

AND THERE IS ALWAYS YOU KNOW THAT HIT YOU KNOW TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHICH ONE IS CAUSING WHICH AND THEY WILL ALWAYS POINT THE FINGER AT THE OTHER.

SO THERE'S REALLY NO I MEAN NO WAY TO SAY THAT YOU DEFINITELY PROTECT YOURSELF COMPLETELY.

THE THING IS TO BE VIGILANT AS FAR AS LOOKING AND THE INSPECTIONS AND TO MONITOR THE PROJECT. THANK YOU..

SO IN YOUR OPINION THERE'S NOT A BIG DIFFERENCE IN THE SAFEGUARDS WE HAVE WHETHER WE DO IT IN-HOUSE OR OUT OF HOUSE.

NO I DON'T BELIEVE SO EITHER WAY IN-HOUSE OR OUTSIDE WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE SAYING AS FAR AS HAVING STAFF MONITOR YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE STAFF MONITOR.

I MEAN THAT'S REALLY THE KEY TO MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE WATCHING WHAT'S GOING ON AND THAT ARE COMPLETELY OBSERVANT BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO FIND OUT THE ERRORS AND BE ABLE TO FIND THEM OUT IN A PERIOD OF TIME EARLIER ON WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT AND ACTUALLY MAYBE GET SOME REMEDY.

THANK YOU.

QUESTION FOR PROBABLY LISA.

I GUESS IT MIGHT BE FOR BOBBYE THOUGH.

NORMALLY ANYTIME WE DO WORK OVER FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS WITH OUR CONTRACTING WE'RE TIED TO OUR PERFORMANCE BOND TO GUARANTEE OUR WORK.

IS THAT SOMETHING YOU GUYS HAVE INVESTIGATED, WILL IT BE PART OF THIS RFP PROCESS? OH ABSOLUTELY.

FLORIDA STATUTE REQUIRES IT AND WE DO HAVE PAYMENT LABOR MATERIAL BONDS AND PERFORMANCE

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NOT FOR ENGINEERING SERVICES IT'S FOR CONSTRUCTION.

AND MAYOR BEFORE WE MOVE ON I DID HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR STAFF.

I HAD SOME QUESTIONS THAT I E-MAILED DURING THIS WEEK ACTUALLY QUITE FRANKLY IT GOES BACK TO WHAT I SAID AT THE WORKSHOP WHEN I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT SOME OF THE PROJECTS.

THEY'RE VERY SMALL IN THE NORTHEAST.

SO I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF STAFF COULD YOU KNOW ANSWER IS IT WOULD HURT WOULD DO ANYTHING TO HURT THE PROJECT BY SAVING THOSE TWO NORTHEAST PROJECTS TILL NEXT YEAR WHEN WE HAVE OTHER UNITS NEXT TO THEM BUNDLED TOGETHER.

AND SECOND QUESTION WOULD BE IF THAT DOESN'T, WOULD THAT BRING US MORE ECONOMIES OF SCALE WOULD BRING US A MORE EFFICIENT CONTRACT? WELL I'LL DEFER TO MR. WANTANABE AND JUST FOR COMMENTS I GUESS.

FRANK WANTANABE, YOUR ENGINEER MANAGER.

YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

WE HAVE LOOKED AT THOSE SMALLER UNITS UP IN THE NORTH EAST CORNER. THERE'S TWO OF THEM UNITS 35 AND 47.

IT MAKES MORE COMMON SENSE TO BUNDLE THEM INTO NEXT YEAR PROJECT AND AT THE SAME TIME WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT BUNDLING MORE OF THESE UNITS WITH THE COLLECTOR STREETS AS WELL.

SO WE'LL BUNDLE THAT WITH THE PORT MALABAR AS WELL.

SO THAT WILL REALLY MAKE IT MORE ECONOMY OF SCALE TO HAVE IT ALL IN ONE AREA.

YES. OK.

SO IT WOULD BE A SLIGHT CHANGE IF YOU WANT TO GO THAT ROUTE.

GO AHEAD.

WHERE ARE THE COSTS FOR ELDRON, BIANCA, GARVEY, PORT MALABAR ASSOCIATED IN THIS.

ARE THEY JUST SCATTERED THROUGHOUT ALL THESE UNITS OR? I APOLOGIZE.

THE ORIGINAL COSTS WERE BROKEN UP AND NOW THEY'RE BURIED INTO EACH OF THE UNITS AS WE DID TRY TO COVER MOST OF THE ROADS COLLECTOR ROADS WITH THE UNIT COST.

SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE ALL NOW BURIED IN WITH THE UNIT COSTS OF EACH OF THOSE UNITS.

THE ORIGINAL COST WE HAD ASSOCIATED WITH EACH OF THOSE ROADS I THINK TOTAL COMBINED WAS CLOSE TO SEVEN MILLION DOLLARS FOR ALL FOUR OF THOSE MAJOR STREETS.

WELL THANK YOU AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'VE BEEN ASKING SOME THESE QUESTIONS AND I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO BUNDLE THEM.

I KNOW THERE WAS THE FOUR QUADRANT FOUR CONTRACTS APPROACH THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUT NO I JUST.

WELL I GUESS WE'LL WAIT FOR MOTION TO KIND OF DEBATE THAT BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS TRYING TO LEAD US TO IN THE WORKSHOP.

I KNOW WE GOT TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE JUST WANTING TO MOVE FORWARD NOW WE'RE HERE AND I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO KIND OF LOOK AT IT AND ADD MORE TIME TO TALK TO STAFF ABOUT IT TOO.

SO I'M JUST BRINGING THAT FORWARD.

YOU WANT TO MAKE THE MOTION EXCLUDING 47 AND 35 THAT'S FINE.

OK SO I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION NOW.

MAYOR I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSIDERATION OF THE ROAD PAVING PROGRAM FOR YEAR 1.

UNITS, COLLECTORS AND THE USE OF IN-HOUSE ENGINEERING WITH THE REMOVAL OF UNIT 47 AND UNIT 35 TO BE ADDED TO YEAR 2.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

WANTED TO MAKE SURE OKAY.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, COUNCIL? AND IF I MAY, DEPUTY MAYOR.

AND I KNOW THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO SOME OF YOUR POINTS.

[INAUDIBLE]. WELL I THINK THAT YOU AND I AGREE ON THE FACT THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR NOT JUST EFFECTIVENESS.

I THINK THERE'S BEEN CONCERNS ABOUT EFFECTIVENESS AND HOW WE LOOK AT WHAT THE PUBLIC PERCEPTION IS AND KNOW THAT WE GET SEEN EVERYWHERE.

MY MAIN CONCERN I THINK ONE OF YOUR CONCERNS AS WELL IS THAT WE'RE EFFICIENT AND WE DON'T RUN OUT OF MONEY AND THAT'S WHAT I HEAR A LOT OF AND I AGREE AND THAT'S WHY AT THE VERY FIRST WORKSHOP WE HAD BACK IN DECEMBER I WAS ASKING THE QUESTION YOU KNOW AT WHAT POINT NOW I KNOW WE'RE TALKING I BRING IN THE BIGGER COMPANIES.

WE HAD A 9 MILLION AND WE KNEW IT'S GOING TO COST A LITTLE BIT MORE AND THEY'RE GETTING THAT WORKED OUT IT'S REALLY ABOUT 11 MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT DOWN WITH THE PARKWAY AT THE NEW INTERCHANGE.

THAT BROUGHT IN THE TYPICAL PEOPLE.

NOW IF WE'RE GOING TO GET SOMETHING BIGGER IF WE'RE GETTING SOMETHING BIGGER THAN THAT I'M ASSUMING THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE PROJECTS BIGGER THAN 9 MILLION DOLLARS.

WHEN I LOOK AT THE WAY THIS IS LAID OUT THAT'S ONE REASON I WANTED TO ADD 42 AND 41 FOR INSTANCE. THAT WAS ANOTHER REASON.

BUT WHEN YOU LOOK THE WAY IT'S LAID OUT I DON'T REALLY SEE AS MANY OF THOSE BIG BUNDLED ITEMS SO THAT'S.

SO I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT.

AT WHAT POINT IS IT IS A 20 MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT AND THEY SAY THIS IS TIME TO COME IN? IS IT 30? IS IT 15? I MEAN THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR FROM STAFF.

I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME TURNOVER ON IT AND ANYHOW THE ISSUE IS COMING BACK TO EFFICIENCY.

HOW CAN WE MAKE SURE WE GET THE CONTRACTS AT THE MOST EFFICIENT PRICE THAT WILL ALLOW US TO BE EFFECTIVE LONG TERM.

AND I'VE SAID THIS THE WHOLE TIME I'M MORE INCLINED TO GET THIS RIGHT AND HAVE FOLKS YOU KNOW THEY MIGHT BE ANGRY AT ME IN THE MEANTIME AND SAY WELL THEY JUST WANT IT DONE NOW SO

[02:20:01]

THOSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE HAPPY.

BUT IF YOU END UP RUNNING OUT OF MONEY AND IT'S THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY WHERE MOST OF US LIVE YOU THINK THAT WE'VE HAD HELL FOR THESE LAST 10 YEARS, 15, 20 YEARS SOMEBODY IN THE FUTURE THAT WOULD BE OUR KIDS MY KIDS AND NOW THEY'RE THEY'RE GOING TO BE EXPERIENCING THAT. AND THAT'S A CONCERN FOR ME I WANT US TO BE FORWARD THINKING THAT MATTER.

SO I AGREE THAT WE NEED TO BE EFFICIENT I DON'T I DON'T COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THAT WE HAVE TO START IN ONE CORNER AND IF WE DID I JUST WOULDN'T START IN THE MOST SOUTHWESTERN REGION. BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO HAVE SIGNIFICANT PROJECTS.

AND SO THAT'S WHY I MADE THE MOTION THE WAY I DID.

AND SO HOPEFULLY HOPEFULLY COUNCIL AGREES A LITTLE BIT TO THAT.

I THINK THE MOTION AND THE SECOND IS THERE. DEPUTY MAYOR? OBVIOUSLY OF COURSE I'D LIKE TO SEE THESE MORE BUNDLED I THINK YOU WILL GET A BIGGER BANG FOR YOUR BUCK WHEN YOU DO THAT.

I THINK WE RUN THE POTENTIAL OF RUNNING OUT MONEY.

THE GOOD SIDE OF THINGS AS OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE NOT WRITING A 46 MILLION DOLLAR CHECK ON DAY ONE WHEN THEY START CONSTRUCTION.

THAT WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY CRAZY.

NOBODY WOULD EVER DO THAT.

SO IN SAYING THAT, THAT'S THAT'S A GOOD PART THAT WE PROBABLY WON'T PAY THAT OUT TILL THE END OF YEAR 1 AND SEE WHERE WE'RE AT THEN.

ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT I HAD IS WHEN WE DID THE PRESENTATION AND WE DIDN'T TOUCH ON IT MUCH IS THAT ONE OF THE WORST UNITS 49 IS LISTED AS YEAR FIVE.

ANOTHER THING I'VE TALKED TO A TWO ROGUE COMPANIES THEY THINK THEY CAN COME IN AROUND 26-28 DOLLARS A SQUARE YARD WHICH WHICH WILL HELP SIGNIFICANTLY BECAUSE OUR COST WAS 36 SQUARE YARD WITH THE AVERAGE.

SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT 10 DOLLARS LESS A SQUARE YARD WE'LL DEFINITELY GET MORE BANG FOR OUR BUCK.

SO I WAS I WAS SUPER PLEASED ABOUT THAT BUT THEY WANTED SOME SOME GUARANTEES IN THERE.

THEY WANTED AN OPTION TO TURN IT FROM A ONE YEAR PROJECT TO A ONE TO THREE YEAR PROJECT THAT THEY'LL GET PRIORITY ON SECOND AND THIRD AS LONG AS THEY DO ONE RIGHT AND THEY DO THAT AND SEVERAL OTHER COUNTIES HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY DOES IT I BELIEVE ORANGE COUNTY DOES IT AS WELL PINELLAS COUNTY HAS MESSED AROUND WITH IT TO WHERE THEY AWARD A JOB AND SAY OK THESE ARE YEAR TWO JOBS AND YOU'RE TOP PRIORITY NOW AND WE'LL RANK YOU GUYS 1 3 3 AND CALL IN THE NEXT GUY.

SO IF YOU'RE NOT DONE WITH YOUR PROJECT WE'RE GOING TO CALL UP NUMBER TWO AND CALL UP NUMBER THREE.

THAT WAY WE CAN GET THAT BASE PRICE DOWN LOWER BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GUARANTEE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF WORK.

148 MILES IS NOT THAT BIG FOR A NATIONAL COMPANY BUT 300 TO 500 MILES AND THEN 800 MILES ULTIMATELY WITH THE PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT THAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO BY LAW IF THEY'RE ALREADY DOING THE JOB AND THAT'S ALREADY IN THE RFP THAT WE CAN EXTEND THAT THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO DO SOME THINGS.

A COUPLE OF THINGS I SAW IN HERE THAT I WASN'T TOO THRILLED WITH: THE SIX VEHICLES IN YEAR ONE I UNDERSTAND WE NEED THOSE BUT AS THIS ROAD PROJECT IS ENDED THOSE VEHICLES DON'T END THEY'RE STILL HERE.

DO WE JUST AUCTION THEM OFF AT THE ROAD BOND? I THINK WE SHOULD EITHER PURCHASE THEM OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND OR NOT PURCHASE THEM AT ALL. OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE GOING TO NEED THEM.

BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND.

ALSO I'D LIKE TO FLOAT THE IDEA TO COUNCIL TO DO THE ENGINEERING OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND SO EVERY SINGLE DOLLAR GOES TO THE ROADS.

I'VE HEARD THAT POINT ARGUED UP HERE THAT WE DIDN'T NEED TO BUY PIPES WITH THE ROAD DOLLARS. WHY CAN'T WE DO THE ENGINEERING WITH A GENERAL FUND.

I UNDERSTAND THAT WOULD BE A THEME AND NOT BE SOMETHING THE CITY MANAGER PROBABLY WOULDN'T LIKE TO BE FOR BUT YOU'D BE ALMOST GUARANTEEING FIVE MILLION MORE DOLLARS FOR THE ROAD FUND AND ALSO THE SIX VEHICLES THE CITY COULD USE AFTER THE FIVE YEAR ROAD PROGRAM AND THEY GO TO SOMEBODY ELSE.

I THINK THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH IT.

UNLESS WE WANT TO BUNDLE EVERYTHING IN THE SOUTHEAST TOGETHER.

OH NO NO BECAUSE THE THING TO THIS IS IS I KNOW THAT EVERYBODY HAS LIKES AND DISLIKES AND LIKE PHIL SAID YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PLEASE EVERYBODY BECAUSE WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT IDEAS OF HOW THIS SHOULD BE DONE.

BUT THE REALITY OF THIS THAT I DON'T CARE WHETHER IT'S A ROAD PROJECT OR ANY TYPE OF PROJECT THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE BUMPS IN THE ROAD.

YOU CANNOT FORESEE SOMETHING GOING WRONG AND THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS PERFECTION AND THEN THAT'S HOW YOU FIX IT AS YOU GO.

THE FACT IS THAT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THE CITY OF PALM BAY HAS TAKEN THIS SIZE OF ENDEAVOR. WE'RE THE GUINEA PIGS SO WE OWN IT ANY WHICH WAY IT GOES.

I THINK THAT THE STAFF IS GONNA DO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE TO PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT'S GOING ON WHETHER DESIGN WHETHER THE CONTRACTOR AND SO ON AND SO ON AND WE'RE GOING TO GET UPDATES AS THIS GOES ALONG.

AND WE'RE ALSO GOING TO GET UPDATES BECAUSE THE CITIZENS WILL BE TALKING.

AND IF WE HAVE TO MOVE 49 FROM YEAR 4 TO 2 WE COULD DO THAT NEXT YEAR.

BUT I THINK THAT IS ABOUT TIME THAT WOULD PULL THE TRIGGER.

I DON'T WANT THIS TO GO ANY MORE THAN IT HAS TO.

I THINK IT'S THAT TIME AND WE NEED TO MOVE AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.

WHAT WE DO IN YEAR TWO WE COULD DO IN YEAR TWO BUT I THINK THAT SUGGESTIONS HAVE BEEN MADE

[02:25:03]

BEFORE YOU CALL THAT VOTE, I JUST WAS WONDERING IF COUNCILMAN BAILEY DID WANT TO AMEND HIS MOTION TO INCLUDE ANY OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT I MADE AS FAR AS THE VEHICLES AND OR THE ENGINEERING. AND QUITE FRANKLY WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TO DO EITHER ONE OF THOSE RIGHT NOW FOR THE RFP PROCESS.

THAT DOESN'T STOP YOUR ROAD FROM BEING BUILT.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM PUTTING THAT OUT AND GOING BACK.

I MEAN I'D LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO STAFF ABOUT IT.

I THINK THAT YOU KNOW I THINK I THINK THERE IS A POINT TO IT.

I HAVE SAID YOU KNOW MY WAY OF ADDRESSING MAKES SURE WE HAVE MORE MONEY IS THAT WE DO ALL OF THE MAINTENANCE TYPE ITEMS TO OUR GENERAL FUND.

WE GET AGGRESSIVE NOW BECAUSE WE'RE PROMISING IT IN SEVEN YEARS AND QUITE FRANKLY I WANTED IT BEFORE WE GOT TOOK MORE MONEY FROM THE TAXPAYERS OR ASKED FOR MORE MONEY FROM TAXPAYERS I WANTED US TO DO OUR PART FOR GENERAL FUND.

NOW WE'RE KIND OF IT'S THE OTHER WAY AROUND WE'RE PROMISING THAT IN SEVEN YEARS EIGHT YEARS DOWN THE ROAD WE'LL HAVE IT IF WE GET AGGRESSIVE NOW AND DO AS MUCH AS THOSE REJUVENATION AND THIN LIFT THOSE TYPE OF MAINTENANCE PROJECTS THAT'S GOING TO REDUCE IT.

SO THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE KIND OF DOING CONCURRENTLY HERE.

AND I KNOW MS MORRELL IS LOOKING HARD AT THAT.

YOU KNOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE HERE WITH THE ENGINEERING. THAT SEEMS THAT SEEMS TO ME THAT THAT'S A LEGITIMATE PART OF THE BOND.

I CAN MAKE AN ARGUMENT WITH YOU AGREE THAT THE VEHICLES MIGHT BE SOMETHING FROM OUTSIDE OF IT SO I WOULDN'T MIND IF THE REST OF COUNCIL IS OK WITH THAT.

WE DON'T NEED THAT TONIGHT.

I'LL LET MS MORRELL ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

DO WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION ON THE VEHICLES RIGHT THIS SECOND? AS TO THE VEHICLES? THE VEHICLES WILL HAVE TO EITHER BE SOLD OR THE CITY WILL HAVE TO PAY THE FAIR MARKET VALUE OF THE VEHICLES AT THE CONCLUSION.

SO IT'S NOT THAT WE BUY THE VEHICLES WITH THE ROAD BOND MONEY AND THEN WE JUST ABSORB IT WHEN IT'S OVER.

YEAH YEAH I KNOW.

THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION. WHAT THE DEPUTY MAYOR WAS SAYING IS THAT HE ASKED THAT QUESTION BEFORE I KNOW AND WE HEARD THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO BUY IT IF WE GOT THE BUY FROM THE VALUE QUESTION AS WE CAN WE CERTAINLY CAN USE GENERAL FUND BUY EQUIPMENT TO SERVE THE BOND.

WE CAN'T DO IT THE OTHER WAY.

WE CAN'T USE THE BOND TO BUY EQUIPMENT TO SERVE GENERAL FUND PURPOSES BUT WE CAN GO THE OPPOSITE WAY.

HE'S SUGGESTING THAT WE TAKE IT OFF TONIGHT AND AS LONG AS THAT DOESN'T INTERFERE WITH OPERATIONS I'M AMENABLE TO LOOKING AT THAT.

TWO ENDS WORKING TOWARDS THE MIDDLE.

AND THERE'S TWO THINGS IN MY HEAD THAT ARE WORKING TOWARDS ME.

YOU CAN AMEND THE APPROVAL, IT'S FINE.

I WILL TAKE A PLAN TONIGHT ALL DAY LONG.

THE TWO AMENDMENTS THAT ARE WORKING AGAINST ME ON THE BUDGETED ITEMS FOR GENERAL FUND IS THE BUDGET PROCESS WHERE WE WANT TO PUT TWO MILLION DOLLARS INTO YOUR ROAD MAINTENANCE FUND AND OUT OF THAT OUT OF OUR BUDGET.

OR DO I USE THAT MONEY TO FUND PERSONNEL AND ITEMS THAT ARE RELATED TO THE ROAD BOND.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT PART OF LIKE CRAFTING THE RFP AND CRAFTING OUT AND LOOKING AT ALL THOSE BUDGETED ITEMS TO A VERY FINITE LEVEL.

WE ARE NOT RUNNING OUT TO BUY SIX VEHICLES TOMORROW.

WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THE INSPECTORS, I DON'T HAVE A PLAN, THERE'S STORMWATER PRODUCTS TO BE COMPLETED. SO THERE'S SOME OVERSIGHT AND MANAGEMENT FROM MY OFFICE, FINANCE OFFICE AND THE PROCUREMENT OFFICE TO KEEP OUR CONSTRUCTION GUYS IN LINE FOR LACK OF BETTER WORD.

BECAUSE, NEW TRUCK.

WHO'S GETTING THAT.

NOT YOU.

WE'RE NOT AND WE DON'T NEED IT RIGHT NOW BUT WE DO NEED AN APPROVAL ON THE PLAN.

THE ENGINEERING WOULD BE HELPFUL AND ALSO WE'LL COME BACK WITH ALL THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE ON THERE THAT ARE ITEMIZED IT'S KIND OF TO GIVE YOU A BROAD OVERVIEW ANYWAY.

SO IF I WERE AN RFP LIKE A MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF EQUIPMENT OR RELEASING SOMETHING THAT PUT ON THE PROPERTY ON THE PUBLIC WORKS PROPERTY TO PLUNK IT DOWN FOR ROAD FOR OCCUPANCY WE'RE GONNA BRING ALL THAT STUFF BACK.

LIKE YOU SAID WE'RE GONNA COMMUNICATE.

IF THERE'S ONE BIG THING ON THIS PRODUCT IS OBVIOUSLY COMMUNICATION WHAT THE STEPS ARE GOING TO BE MOVING FORWARD SO STAFF HAS TIME TO GET THAT PLAN PUT INTO MOTION AND CRAFT THOSE RFPS AND MOVE FORWARD THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE THOSE MORE DEFINITIVELY.

THERE'S A LOT OF FOR LACK OF BETTER WORD NOODLING ON IT BUT AT THE MOMENT OF LIKE WE CAN DO THIS WE CAN DO THAT.

WE CAN BUNDLE WE CAN NOT BUNDLE.

I GET WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY.

THIS IS NOT SO MUCH ABOUT NITPICKING.

THIS IS ABOUT WE NEED TO VOTE FOR THE UNITS WE WANT TO FIX.

OKAY. AND WE STAY WITHIN THAT THAT FRAME OF MIND.

EVERYTHING ELSE IS MINUTE AND IT COULD BE CHANGED.

SO I WILL I AM AMENABLE TO REMOVING THE VEHICLES. IS THAT ADDRESSED, DEPUTY MAYOR? OKAY. SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO REMOVE THE ONE TIME 120,000 DOLLARS FOR THE SIX VEHICLES FROM YEAR ONE.

SECOND.

ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S BEEN SECONDED.

I'M GOING TO CALL IT.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE.

OPPOSED SAY NAY.

NAY. MOTION CARRIES 4-1. OK.

ITEM NINE.

MRS. MORRELL.

[02:30:06]

IT'S THE FOURTH MONTH OF THE FISCAL YEAR.

IT'S 30 PERCENT YOUR BUDGET I BELIEVE IS PULLED. BILL BATTIN.

BILL BATTIN. 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SW.

I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO IMPACT FEE FUNDS.

YOU HAD A BALANCE OF 2.5 MILLION DOLLARS IT CAN ONLY BE THIS CAN ONLY BE SPENT ON ROAD EXPANSION THE TWO ITEMS I'VE BEEN TALKING OF GARVEY AND GAYNOR ROAD BOTH FALL UNDER THAT CATEGORY.

SO ONE MORE TIME LET'S CONCENTRATE ON GAYNOR WHERE WE CAN USE THE 2.5 MILLION DOLLARS TO SITTING THERE WITHOUT IMPACTING ON THE ROAD BOND MONEY AND WITHOUT IMPACTING ON OUR GENERAL FUND USE IT WHERE IT SAID IT WAS GOING TO GO FROM GO BACK TO THE NOVEMBER WHAT WAS THE DATE ON THAT.

I DON'T REMEMBER MY DATE.

GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT WHERE YOU SAID THAT WAS WHAT MONEY YOU WERE GOING TO USE.

SO DO IT.

2.5 MILLION NOT COMING OUT OF MY ROAD BOND.

MAYOR CAN I JUST MAKE A NOTE.

MS LEFLER.

IS IT POSSIBLE YOU GUYS COULD CUT THAT OUT FOR US OR I'D CUT THAT OUT FOR US TO SEND THAT TO ALL OF US TO MAKE SURE WE ALL SEE IT AND REVIEW THAT.

YES. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

THAT'S ALL.

I'M GOING TO NEED A MOTION, COUNCIL.

MOTION TO APPROVE THE ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF THE CITY'S MONTHLY FINANCIAL REPORT JANUARY 2019.

SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BAILEY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, COUNCIL? IF NOT I'M GOING TO CALL IT.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE. ALL OPPOSED SAY NAY.

MOTION CARRIES.

ITEM 10 MRS. MORRELL.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL THE ITEM BEFORE YOU IS A CONVERSION OF THE CITY'S STREET LIGHT PROGRAM FROM HIGH YUCKY HIGH PRESSURE SODIUM TO LED SUSTAINABLE FRIENDLY LIGHTING ACROSS THE CITY WITH THE SOME ADDITIONS FOR SOME DARK AREAS OF THE CITY TO BE BRIGHTENED UP FOR SOME OF OUR AREAS THAT NEED SOME BRIGHTNESS IN HIGH TRAFFIC.

I THINK THIS IS MY LAST CARD UNTIL PUBLIC COMMENT.

THOMAS GAUME 1700 LANTANA COURT.

THIS IS ABSOLUTELY A GOOD THING.

HOWEVER BEING A BUSINESS MAN AND LOOKING AT THIS AND UNDERSTANDING ELECTRICAL AND ELECTRONICS I LOOK AT THIS AND GO WE'RE GONNA SAVE 6 THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR ON A THE NUMBER IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME 415 MILLION DOLLAR COST EXCUSE ME 415 THOUSAND DOLLAR COST.

WE'RE GONNA SAVE 6 THOUSAND DOLLARS.

WHEN YOU GO DOWN AND LOOK AT THE FIXTURES THE THE CURRENT FIXTURES IN PLACE USE AT LEAST TWICE THE AMOUNT OF ENERGY AS THE NEW FIXTURES THEY ARE GONNA PUT IN PLACE.

SO IF YOU DO THE CALCULATIONS ON THE COST PER KILOWATT HOUR ON OUT WE'RE ACTUALLY PAYING MORE PER KILOWATT HOUR THAN WE ARE NOW.

SO YOU KNOW BEING BEING A BUSINESS GUY I THINK THERE'S A BETTER DEAL TO BE MADE OUT THERE THAT YOU CAN GO BACK AND NEGOTIATE FOR.

HOW ABOUT IF WE GO TO FIVE THOUSAND LIGHTS.

DO WE GET A DISCOUNT FOR QUANTITY AT THAT TIME BUT THEY'RE USING HALF THE AMOUNT OF ENERGY AND YOU'RE PAYING STILL ROUGHLY 88 PERCENT OF THE SAME BILL FOR HALF THE AMOUNT OF ENERGY JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE WOULD BE A BETTER DEAL TO BE MADE.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

BILL BATTIN. 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SW.

SOME OF THE SAME FIGURES THAT MR GAUME JUST TALKED ABOUT.

I BROUGHT UP MYSELF.

IT'S 415 THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR ANNUALLY THAT WE'RE SPENDING TO SAVE 6 THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR.

WELL I AGREE THAT'S A SAVINGS BUT MY QUESTION IS WHAT'S THE COST OF THE NEW LIGHT BULB YOU'RE PUTTING IN.

WHAT IS THE COST OF THAT AND ARE WE PAYING THE COST FOR THAT NEW LIGHT.

OR IS FLORIDA POWER OR WHOEVER THE CONTRACT IS WITH.

[02:35:04]

THAT WAS THE FIRST ONE.

THEN THE NEXT THING I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO DO IS LOOK AT PAGE 204 OF YOUR PACKET.

AND THAT'S THE MAP OF WHERE THE LIGHTS ARE.

YOU JUST YOU KNOW I'M OLD BUT WHEN I LOOK AT MALABAR ROAD AND LOOK NORTH AND MALABAR ROAD IT'S HIGH DENSITY MAXIMUM LIGHTS WITHIN EVERY 20 FEET OF EVERY STREET YET YOU GO SOUTH THE MALABAR ROAD WHEREAS THE DARKEST THE MOST OVERGROWN THE WORST ROADS YOU HAVE WHERE THE BIGGEST RISK OF BEING HIT IS THAT'S WHERE YOU HAVE THE LEAST NUMBER OF LIGHTS.

NOW WHAT MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE IF YOU TAKE ABOUT HALF THE LIGHTS FROM THE NORTH AND PUT THEM DOWN INTO THE SOUND BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU'RE JUST NEAR DISPROPORTIONATE REPRESENTATION OF THE HAVES AND THE HAVE NOTS.

I'M LOOKING AT 450 THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR THIS COME OUT OF MY TAX DOLLAR AND I DON'T HAVE STREET LIGHTS.

BUT YET NOW YOU'RE GONNA SAY OH LOOK WE SAVED JUST SIX THOUSAND DOLLARS, BILL.

I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE SOME BETTER PROPORTIONATE DISTRIBUTION OF WHO GETS SOME OF THIS LIGHTING. I KNOW WHY THE HIGH DENSITY IS THERE BUT I ALSO KNOW OVER THE PAST 30 YEARS HOW DESIGNATED RULES THAT WERE PUT INTO DEVELOPMENT I.E.

NO MORE THAN ONE THIRD OF A BLOCK COULD BE BUILT UPON IF IT DIDN'T HAVE WATER AND SEWER NO MORE THAN TWO THIRDS IF IT HAD WATER AND SEWER NO MORE THAN 3 FULL PERCENTAGE IF IT IS PAVED WATER AND SEWER.

WELL, YOU DISREGARDED THOSE AND THEN YOU STARTED SAYING WELL THIS IS THE HIGH POPULATION SO THEY GET MORE OF THE BENEFITS.

AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED ON THE PEOPLE IN THE SOUTHEAST AND THE SOUTHWEST FOR ONE MORE TIME YOUR STEPCHILD AND YOU WHIPPED THEM TO DEATH.

SO LET'S GIVE US SOME LIGHT TO GO WITH OUR NEW ROADS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU BILL.

ANY OTHER CARDS.

NO SIR.

LISA? NOT TO BE FUNNY BUT THE LIGHTS COULD HAVE BEEN PUT TO THE ROAD PROGRAM BUT I THINK WE DECIDED THAT WE WANTED THE ROAD PROGRAM GO RIGHT TO ROADS.

BUT MR. WEISS HAS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THE FIXTURES.

THE POSTS ARE IN THE GROUND FOR WHERE THE LOCATIONS ARE.

I KNOW THAT.

SO IT'S JUST A CHANGE OF THE FIXTURES.

BUT AS FAR AS THE SAVINGS EVERYBODY'S CORRECT IT'S KIND OF MORE OF A WASH THAN IT IS REALLY SAVINGS AND IT TAKES IMPLEMENTATIONS A LITTLE BIT MORE.

THANK YOU MS. MORRELL.

BARNEY WEISS, INTERIM PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR.

I LOVE ALL THE QUESTIONS BUT AS THE PROGRAM WAS BROUGHT TO US WE ALSO WOULD PROBABLY LIKE TO PUT LIGHTS AND ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT AREAS BUT THE PROGRAM WAS SET TO IMPROVE THE LIGHTS THAT WERE CURRENTLY IN PLACE.

IF YOU WANT TO PUT ADDITIONAL LIGHTS IN THAT BROUGHT ADDITIONAL COSTS.

ONE OF OUR GOALS WAS TO STAY WITHIN OUR ANNUAL BUDGETED AMOUNT AND HOW CAN WE IMPROVE THE LIGHTS ACROSS THE CITY.

AND AS WE DID I DON'T KNOW IF LIEUTENANT IS STILL HERE.

WE ACTUALLY BROUGHT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN ON THIS PROGRAM ALSO BECAUSE THEY HAVE SOME AREAS THAT THEY COULD USE SOME ADDITIONAL LIGHTING ALSO.

AND CHRIS WAS AWESOME.

WE SAT THROUGH THIS MAP TOOK IT COMPLETELY APART AND WE WENT BACK TO FP&L BECAUSE WE DIDN'T REALIZE WE COULDN'T JUST GO PUT LIGHTS WHERE WE WANT.

THERE'S ACTUAL SOME OTHER QUALIFICATIONS THAT SPECIFIC POLLS ARE THE ONLY ONES YOU COULD PUT LIGHTS ON.

SO AGAIN FP&L WAS A GREAT GUIDE FOR THAT FOR US AND THAT'S WHAT WE DID IT WAS ONLY MAYBE TWO OR THREE ADDITIONAL LIGHTS WE COULD PUT IN.

SO FOR US THE MONEY'S IT IS EXACTLY WHAT MS MORRELL SAID IT'S KIND OF A WASH.

WE'RE GETTING ALL NEW FIXTURES LIGHTS THE POLES WILL STAY IN PLACE AND THE SAVINGS WILL COME FROM THE 50 PERCENT IS WHAT THEY SAID IN ONE OF THE PROPOSALS THEY HAD FOR ME.

IT WAS A PRESENTATION BECAUSE LEDS AS WE ALL KNOW CONSUME LESS ELECTRICITY.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERS ALL THE QUESTIONS BUT THAT'S HOW I UNDERSTAND THE PROGRAM.

MAYOR I'M SORRY.

I'M SORRY MR. WEISS. IF I MAY.

THEY ARE GOING TO DO THIS THE INSTANT INSTALLATION, CORRECT? THEY'RE DOING EVERYTHING SIR.

THEY'RE DOING EVERYTHING AND THIS IS THERE A TERM ON THIS? I WAS LOOKING FOR THE TERM OF THE CONTRACT.

DOES THIS END AT A CERTAIN TIME? THERE IS.

MS. SMITH WOULD PROBABLY OUR BEST EXPERT AND SHE OR HER TEAM WILL ACTUALLY HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS BEFORE IT GOES LIVE.

BUT WHEN I READ THROUGH IT IT TALKS ABOUT THERE'S A FIVE OR TEN YEAR TERM THERE'S AN EXTENSION ON IT AND ALL THOSE PIECES I DON'T UNDERSTAND THEM EXACTLY WHEN THEY DO LIST THEM ON THE PAGE OF THE CONTRACT.

IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ITEM PAGE 1 OF 4 THE AGREEMENT SHOULD BE THE TERM FOR 10 YEARS WITH THE DATE OF INITIATION OF THE SERVICE EXCEPT FOR THE PROVIDED BELOW.

AND THEN IT GOES INTO THE FIVE YEAR EXTENSION PERIOD.

I MEAN I THINK ACTUALLY I MEAN IT'S CERTAINLY IT'S KIND OF MIND BOGGLING THAT IT'S HALF THE ENERGY.

I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE YOU HAVE FIXED COSTS ONETIME COSTS AND CHANGING FIXTURES AND DOING IT. IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE EVEN ALLOWED TO DO ON OUR OWN? CAN WE GO IN THERE AND CHANGES LIGHT BULBS OURSELVES? WELL ACTUALLY THEY MAINTAIN THEM FOR US AS THEY DO NOW.

[02:40:03]

WELL TO BE CLEAR YES SIR.

WE PAY OUR ELECTRIC BILL AND THEY MAINTAIN OUR LIGHTS.

SO THAT'S PART OF THAT PROGRAM.

SO THAT'S ALL IT IS NOW IS YOU GOT A DIFFERENT BULB UP THERE YOU GO FROM HIGH SODIUM TO LED. ONE OF THE MOST EXCITING PIECES THAT I FOUND OF IT AND I FORGET IT WAS A YOUNG LADY CAME UP HERE AND IT WAS PART OF THE SUSTAINABILITY THE POLLUTION I DIDN'T REALIZE WHEN YOU SEE THE HIGH SODIUM YELLOW LIGHTING HOW THAT CHANGES OUR CITY YOU KNOW THE VISION YOU CAN SEE UP ABOVE YOU.

WE GO TO THESE LED LIGHTS I GUESS THE STARS AND ALL THE THINGS BECOME MORE VIBRANT IN THE AREAS THE TRUE COLOR LIGHTING OF THE ENVIRONMENT ENDS UP BEING BETTER SO YOU KNOW I DON'T SEE A NEGATIVE TO IT.

I THINK IT'S SOMETHING VERY YOU KNOW FOR US SOMETHING EXCITING TO CHANGE TOO AND WE'LL MAKE ANOTHER IMPROVEMENT TO THE GREAT CITY WITH OUR NEW ROADS AND SOME NEW LIGHTS.

AND MS. MORRELL.

NOW I THINK THE BOTTOM LINE HERE IS THE DEVIL'S IN THE DETAIL AND THE IDEA IS THERE A BETTER CONTRACT TO BE HAD WHO NEGOTIATED THIS CONTRACT? THESE ARE FP&L POLES AND LIGHTS.

SO IT WAS AN OFFERING DURING OUR ENERGY REVIEW PERIOD WHICH DO EVERY YEAR WITH OUR FACILITIES GROUP AND PUBLIC WORKS AND CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE TO GO THROUGH THE WHAT PLAN AS APPLIED TO YOUR CONSUMPTION.

SO WE GO THROUGH THE UTILITIES AND THE CITY HALL THE LARGEST AND THEY KIND OF ACTUALLY TAKE SOME OF OUR SMALLER SITES AND ACTUALLY BUNDLE THEM IN TO ACTUALLY GET US A REALLY GOOD RATE THERE'S SOME I CAN SHARE WITH YOU THAT THOSE THOSE ANNUAL REPORTS THEY'RE PRETTY INTRIGUING IF YOU CAN BUT YOU REALLY DO NEED TO SIT DOWN AND ACTUALLY GO THROUGH THEM LINE BY LINE.

THEY'RE NOT EASILY READ.

THERE ARE A LOT OF SPREADSHEETS AND THEN SHE GIVES A GOOD OVERVIEW THOUGH.

SO ESSENTIALLY IF THEY SAY WE COUNTER OFFERED WE WANT IT TO BE SO BOLD THE COUNTER OFFER THEY COULD SAY NO AND WE'D STAY AS IS AT A HIGHER RATE, IS THAT CORRECT? WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THE LED PROGRAM BUT IT IS A SAVINGS THAT FROM THEIR POINT OF VIEW OF THE GRID AND THE POWER AND THE LIGHT BULB LAST LONGER.

SO A LOT OF OUR CUSTOMERS RESIDENTS WILL CALL FP&L WITH A LIGHT OUT AND THEN DAY IT TAKES A WHILE TO GET A TRUCK OUT THERE TO DO IT.

THEY'LL START CALLING IN PUBLIC WORKS THEY'LL START CALLING MY OFFICE THEY'LL START E-MAILING YOU AS YOU PROBABLY HAVE EXPERIENCED IN THE PAST.

YOU KNOW THE LIGHT IS OUT FROM MY HOUSE AND THEY GET A POLE NUMBER AND THEY'RE NOT GETTING ANY RESULTS.

SO WE GET IN THE QUEUE WITH THE REST OF THE COUNTY WITH FOR MAINTENANCE FROM FP&L SO LED LIGHTBULBS LAST A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN THOSE OTHER ONES.

YEAH I'M SURE IT'S GREAT FOR FPL AND I'M SURE I'M SURE THAT THEY'RE VERY ENCOURAGED.

I JUST I JUST WONDERED YOU KNOW IF THERE WAS A POSSIBILITY FOR COUNTER OFFER SURELY THEY CAN SAY NO.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME THEY'RE PROBABLY MAKING OUT MORE THAN SIX THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR ON IT. SO THEREFORE THEY WOULD BE LOSING OUT AT THE SAME TIME.

SO IT'S KIND OF WHERE IS THAT BREAK EVEN POINT.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ONE TIME COST OF INSTALLATION AND THE ANNUAL COST COURSE YOU MIGHT NOT KNOW ALL THERE EXACT COSTS.

WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE ASSUMPTIONS.

ALL RIGHT WELL I MEAN I KIND OF AGREE WITH THE IDEA I THINK IN THE FUTURE WE PROBABLY SHOULD CONSIDER THOSE TYPE OF THINGS BUT IT'S YOU KNOW I UNDERSTAND THAT IT MIGHT NOT BE AS SIMPLE AS IT SEEMS BUT IT CERTAINLY SEEMS LIKE WE SHOULD BE IN A POSITION THAT HEY YOU'RE GOING TO SAVE.

WE SHOULD PROBABLY SAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TOO BECAUSE THAT IS VERY MINOR AND WE SHOULDN'T JUST BE LOOKING AT THE BOTTOM LINE SAVING WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT COULD WE SAVE MORE.

SO I ACTUALLY APPRECIATE THAT COMMENT.

I'M GOING TO NEED A MOTION, COUNCIL.

MAYOR I MAKE A MOTION FOR OUR PARTICIPATION IN THE FP&L LED STREETLIGHT CONVERSION PLAN. I NEED A SECOND.

NO RUSH.

SECOND. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, COUNCIL? IF NOT I'M GOING TO CALL IT.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE.

ALL OPPOSED SAY NAY.

OKAY NOW.

ADMINISTRATIVE AND LEGAL REPORTS MS. MORRELL. I HAVE NONE, MAYOR. THANK YOU. MRS. SMITH.

NO SIR.

[Public Comments/Responses]

THANK YOU MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, THOMAS GAUME, 1700 LANTANA COURT.

AT THE FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT TONIGHT I SHOWED A PRESENTATION THAT I HAD SUBMITTED TO THE CITY THIS AFTERNOON AND AT APPROXIMATELY 1:45PM. IT WAS VERY OBVIOUS BY THE COMMENTS THAT CAME BACK TO ME THAT THEY WERE PREPARED COMMENTS THAT MY PRESENTATION HAD BEEN PRESCREENED.

SO AS I SAT DOWN I NOTICED THAT THE CITY CLERK WAS ALSO EXITING SO I WENT OUTSIDE AND I ASKED HER AND SHE CONFIRMED THAT SHE HAD SENT THAT PRESENTATION TO OTHER STAFF MEMBERS AND IT HAD BEEN PRESCREENED.

SO AT THIS POINT I'M GOING TO AGAIN ASK THAT YOU CHANGE YOUR POLICY AND PROCEDURES AND DO NOT REQUIRE THAT ANY PRESENTATIONS OR ANY SUCH THING BE SENT IN PRIOR TO THE MEETING BECAUSE THAT IS PRIOR RESTRAINT.

[02:45:05]

BILL BATTIN. 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SW.

IT'S ALMOST LIKE A WHIPPING POST UP HERE TODAY.

I ADDRESSED SOME THINGS UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT ALSO WHICH WAS GAYNOR ROAD OR PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT AND I DIDN'T GET ANY COMMENTS BACK.

EVERYBODY ELSE GOT COMMENTS BACK AND ANSWERS AND AT LEAST ADDRESSED THE FACT THAT THEY WERE THERE BUT I DIDN'T GET ANYTHING AND I'VE BEEN FIGHTING FOR GAYNOR ROAD.

THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME PROBLEMS THAT WERE THERE BUT I DIDN'T GET ANY.

LUCKILY MR. WEISS TOLD ME THAT HE CONTACTED ME AND I AM GOING TO GET IN TOUCH WITH HIM.

BUT PART OF MY PUBLIC DISCUSSION WAS NOT SO THAT I WOULD GET THE ANSWERS BECAUSE I'M SPEAKING NOT JUST FOR MYSELF I'M SPEAKING FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE AROUND ME AND THEY COULD HEAR WHAT THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO BE INSTEAD OF ME HAVING TO BE THE LIAISON BETWEEN THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE.

IF YOU CHECK WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THERE'S BEEN CALL AFTER CALL OUT THERE THIS WEEK.

IT'S BEEN A MADHOUSE IN PUBLIC WORKS EVERYTHING HAS GOT DIRECTION SO IT WASN'T JUST SO MUCH THAT I GOT AN ANSWER.

I WAS HOPING THAT THE CITIZENS OTHER THAN MYSELF TO GET THE ANSWER.

BUT CITY DID RESPOND TO ME.

YES THEY DID.

MR. WEISS SAID THAT HE GAVE ME HIS CARD AND I WILL BE CONTACTING HIM TO ADDRESS EACH INDIVIDUAL PICTURE OF WHAT THE PROBLEM WAS WITH THAT.

BUT PART OF THAT WAS BECAUSE YOU ARE THE ONE WHO MADE THE DECISIONS ON THIS ROAD AND I WANTED YOU TO SEE AND HAVE TO EXPLAIN TO THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE THERE WHY BILL BATTIN SAID IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN TWO YEARS AGO AND IT DID.

AND YOU'RE JUST OK WELL HAVE A GOOD DAY AND HAVE A GOOD DAY BILL.

BUT I KNOW THAT WASN'T WHAT YOUR THOUGHT WAS BUT THAT'S HOW IT COMES ACROSS TO THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE WATCHING TONIGHT AT HOME.

THANK YOU.

JUST TO ADDRESS YOUR POINT BILL IS THAT I TURNED TO OUR CITY MANAGER AND SHE HAD MENTIONED THAT SHE HAD BEEN IN RECEIPT OF THE EMAIL.

AND AT THAT TIME WE LOOKED AT EACH OTHER AND SAID YOU'RE DEALING WITH THE SITUATION RIGHT NOW. WE DIDN'T FORGET YOU.

IF YOU GO BACK TO THE RECORDING YOU HEAR ME MENTION THAT TO OUR CITY MANAGER TO MAKE SURE THAT IS HANDLED.

WE DIDN'T I DIDN'T SKIP YOU.

I'M SORRY YOU DIDN'T HEAR ME BUT I DID ADDRESS YOU BECAUSE I WENT THROUGH EACH INDIVIDUAL PERSON BECAUSE EVEN COUNCILMAN JOHNSON QUESTIONED ME ABOUT THE YOUNG LADY IN THE BACK.

AND IF I'M ALWAYS PAYING ATTENTION TO THE WHOLE ROOM AND I SAW BARNEY GET UP AND GO TALK TO HER.

SO I'M TOTALLY AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.

I HOPE THAT I DIDN'T FORGET ANYBODY.

AND THEN IF I DO I APOLOGIZE.

SO. AND WHEN IT COMES TO CERTAIN OTHER MATTERS I THINK WE'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH THAT ACCORDINGLY. SO WITH THAT, ANYTHING TO ADD? ONLY THAT BILL YOU'RE ON MY BOARD WILL BE FOLLOWED UP WITH.

WHEN YOU SENT YOUR EMAIL YOU CAME THROUGH AND YOU WALKED IN AND TALKED TO THE SECRETARY AND SHE'S LEAVING THAT NOTE AND I HAVE PICTURES THAT CAME IN ANOTHER E-MAIL AND I INFORMED MR. WEISS THE FIRST TIME AND THE SECOND TIME AND I KNOW THERE SOME BOUNCE BACK.

I KNOW THAT MR. WEISS WAS HANDLING SOME SILT FENCES WITH HIS INSPECTORS OUT THERE SAYING YOU KNOW THERE'S GOT TO DO BETTER.

I NOTED THERE'S SOME THINGS I WANT TO FOLLOW UP WITH HIM AS WELL.

I DO WANT TO WATCH YOUR TWO MINUTES.

I CAN'T RECALL FROM MY I'M SURE I COULD RECALL IT BUT I'M NOT GOING TO RECALL EVERY DISSENTING CLIP.

SO I WANT TO LOOK AT THE TIF FUNDING THAT WAS THAT EXCHANGE TOO SO THAT THE YOU KNOW I CAN YOU KNOW I WROTE IT DOWN SHE ALREADY CLIPPED IT OUT AND ACTUALLY SENT US THE CLIP SO AND THAT WAS WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT EARLIER.

YEAH. I WANT TO WATCH THAT AND THAT PROBABLY WILL GIVE COUNCIL STAFF REPORT OF WHERE WE ARE ON YOUR ISSUES SO THAT THEY CAN COME BACK AND ADDRESS IT WITH YOU AS WELL.

COUNCIL? CAN I JUST ASK A REAL QUICK QUESTION MS SMITH.

I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THE ACCUSATION TONIGHT IS THAT PRIOR RESTRAINT HAS BEEN HAD WITH THIS. I'M JUST CURIOUS THAT WORD RESTRAINT PRIOR IN FINDING LEGALLY PRIOR RESTRAINT DOES THAT REQUIRE ACTUAL CENSORSHIP OR SUPPRESSION OF MATERIAL? YES. WE DON'T REVIEW IT LIKE OH WE DON'T LIKE THIS.

AND SO WE WON'T ACCEPT IT.

THAT'S ESSENTIALLY YOU CAN'T HAVE GOVERNMENT CENSORSHIP.

THERE IS NO CENSORSHIP.

ONCE YOU SUBMIT A PUBLIC DOCUMENT, CAN IT BE TREATED AS A PUBLIC RECORD? YES. BUT WE'RE NOT PROHIBITING HIM OR ANYONE ELSE FROM MAKING A PRESENTATION BECAUSE WE DON'T AGREE WITH THE IDEAS IN IT.

THAT'S WHERE YOU GET THAT FROM.

I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR BECAUSE YOU KNOW THAT MAYOR AND MR. GAUME KNOWS THAT I PUSHED HARD FOR COUNCIL THE REASON YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO SUBMIT IT TWO

[02:50:04]

BUT AT THE SAME TIME I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THE COUNCIL AND THAT STAFF IS CLEAR TO THE PUBLIC KNOWS ANYBODY LISTENING THAT WE ARE NO WE'RE NOT VIOLATING ANYBODY'S RIGHTS.

NOTHING WAS SUPPRESSED.

YOU KNOW YOU KNOW YOU CANNOT SPEAK UP.

SO THAT'S WHAT I SEE TONIGHT IS THAT NOTHING WAS SUPPRESSED NOTHING WAS CENSORED.

I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WAS WITHHELD FROM THE PRESENTATION.

SO ON THAT NOTE COUNCIL MEETING ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.