Jul 06, 2023 Council Meetings - Regular

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ATTENTION TO DETAIL. IT IS NOW 1800 HOURS.

[CALL TO ORDER:INVOCATION]

I'M GOING TO CALL THIS REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING 2020 3-16 TO ORDER.

OUR INVOCATION WILL BE PROVIDED BY PASTOR DAVID CANNON OF GRACE BIBLE CHURCH.

A WONDERFUL PLACE OF WORSHIP AND A PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE WILL BE LED BY KENNY JOHNSON, OUR COUNCILMAN, KENNY JOHNSON.

WOULD YOU ALL PLEASE RISE? YOURS, O LORD, IS THE GREATNESS, THE POWER, THE GLORY, THE VICTORY AND THE MAJESTY FOR ALL THAT IS IN HEAVEN AND EARTH IS YOURS.

YOURS IS THE KINGDOM OF LORD, AND YOU ARE EXALTED AS HEAD OVER ALL.

BOTH RICHES AND HONOR COME FROM YOU.

YOU REIGN OVER ALL, AND IN YOUR HAND IS POWER AND MIGHT, AND YOUR HAND.

IT IS TO MAKE GREAT AND TO GIVE STRENGTH TO ALL.

NOW, THEREFORE, WE THANK YOU, OUR GOD, FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR 247 YEARS OF FREEDOM AND FATHERS.

WE JUST CELEBRATED THIS GREAT GIFT.

FATHER. WE KNOW THAT.

LORD, YOU'RE NOT.

EVERY PEOPLE ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH HAS ENJOYED THE BLESSINGS OF WE THE PEOPLE, OF A NATION, OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE, AND FOR THE PEOPLE.

SO, FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS GIFT AND WE THANK YOU FOR THOSE WHO HAVE WORKED HARD TO PRESERVE IT AND PROTECT IT.

AND FATHER, AS WE GATHER TONIGHT IN THE LIGHT OF THAT WONDERFUL FREEDOM AND PRIVILEGE WE HAVE.

OH, FATHER, WE WE JUST GIVE YOU THANKS AND GLORY AND ASK THAT YOUR PRESENCE IS KNOWN HERE TONIGHT.

AND THAT FATHER, AS WE SEEK WISDOM AND WE SEEK GUIDANCE.

LORD, YOUR WORD TELLS US THAT THE FEAR OF THE LORD IS THE BEGINNING OF WISDOM.

AND SO, FATHER, WE WANT TO WE WANT TO HAVE PEACE REIGN IN OUR HEARTS TONIGHT.

WE WANT TO HAVE GUIDANCE FROM YOU THAT YOUR WILL WOULD BE DONE.

WE WANT TO HAVE RESPECT IN OUR HEARTS FOR ONE ANOTHER.

AND SO, LORD, AS FELLOW CITIZENS OF THIS WONDERFUL CITY, FATHER, WE ASK THAT YOU POUR OUT YOUR BLESSING ON THIS THIS MEETING HERE AND ALL WHO PARTICIPATE. AND WE PRAY THIS IN THE MATCHLESS NAME OF JESUS.

AMEN. AMEN.

AMEN. AMEN. FLAG TO THE FLAG.

WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

HURRAH! YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MOTIVATING YOU EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU WERE WHEN WE SAID THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE ALL IN UNISON. YOU REALLY ARE GUNG HO.

SO THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT.

ROLL CALL, MADAM LEFLER.

MAYOR MEDINA PRESENT.

DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX HERE.

COUNCILMAN. JOHNSON HERE.

COUNCILMAN. FOSTER HERE.

MISS SHERMAN HERE.

MISS SMITH HERE.

DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

[ANNOUNCEMENTS]

ANYONE WISHING TO SERVE ON THESE BOARDS CAN APPLY ONLY ONLINE AT PALM BAY FLORIDA.ORG OR CONTACT THE CITY CLERK OFFICE AT 9523414. THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR.

MADAM SHERMAN. WE'RE ON AGENDA REVISIONS.

[AGENDA REVISIONS]

FIRST WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER ONE UNDER PRESENTATIONS HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN AND WILL BE RESCHEDULED TO A LATER DATE.

TWO ADDITIONAL EXHIBITS HAVE BEEN ADDED TO ITEM NUMBER 11 UNDER PUBLIC HEARINGS AND ALSO AN UPDATE ON THE PINEAPPLE COVE ACADEMY AND LOCHMOR.

THE TRAFFIC HISTORY ITEM HAS BEEN ADDED AS ITEM NUMBER FOUR UNDER NEW BUSINESS AT THE REQUEST OF MAYOR MEDINA.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

THANK YOU. MADAM CHAIRMAN, ARE THE PINEAPPLE COVE LEADERS PRESENT THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF? DO YOU SEE? ARE THERE ANY.

I DON'T SEE THEM. IS THE PRINCIPAL HERE? YOU DON'T SEE THEM? OKAY, SO, COUNCIL, I BOUGHT THIS JUST SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS AGENDA REVISION.

I BROUGHT THIS FORWARD.

AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, I.

I'VE BEEN ATTENDING THESE MEETINGS WITH STAFF, SO I WANTED TO TRY TO REACH A RESOLUTION BEFORE THIS NEXT SCHOOL CALENDAR YEAR.

AND I THINK I'D LIKE TO MOVE THIS UP WITH WITH YOUR PERMISSION, THERE ARE TWO ITEMS I THINK I'D LIKE TO READDRESS AND ONE OF THEM BEING L3. HARRIS UNDER NEW BUSINESS AND AND THIS ALSO SO DO I GET ANY CONSENSUS WITH THAT? SO I'VE GOT. YES, SIR.

SO MOVED. I'VE GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON, TO MOVE THE NEW BUSINESS

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IS THAT IS THAT.

IS THAT? YES, MA'AM.

AND AFTER AFTER WE VOTE ON THIS, I HAVE A REVISION AS WELL.

OKAY. COPY THAT, SIR.

OKAY, SO I GOT A MOTION AND IS COUNCILMAN FOSTER ON THE LINE, MADAM LEFFLER.

COUNCILMAN FOSTER.

WELCOME. SO I'VE GOT A MOTION.

I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

ALL IN FAVOR. SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. PASSES FOUR ZERO.

AND COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, YOU HAD A REVISION.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'D LIKE TO MOVE.

I MOVE PUBLIC HEARINGS ITEMS NUMBER 12 AND 13 BEFORE PUBLIC HEARING.

ITEM ONE. THOSE ARE TWO EASEMENT ITEMS. COPY THAT, SIR. SO WE'RE MOVING 12 AND 13 PRIOR TO ITEM NUMBER ONE.

OPEN.

IS THAT A MOTION, DEPUTY MAYOR? YES, THAT'S. THAT'S A MOTION, SIR.

SECOND GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

COUNCILMAN. FOSTER. ANY COMMENTS? NO, SIR. OKAY.

ALL IN FAVOR. SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. AYE. PASSES FOUR ZERO.

MADAM SMITH, DO YOU HAVE ANY AGENDA REVISIONS? NO, SIR. ANY AGENDA OR ANY REVISIONS? OKAY. THANK YOU, MA'AM. SO WE'RE NOW ON PROCLAMATIONS.

[PROCLAMATIONS AND RECOGNITIONS]

LET ME GET DOWN. FREEDOM IS COURAGEOUS.

COME ON, PEOPLE. YEAH.

SO RUTH BOLDLY JUST CAME UP.

BUT WE'RE CELEBRATING FREEDOM.

ISN'T THAT GREAT? ON THE HEELS OF OUR INDEPENDENCE.

LET ME TRY THAT AGAIN.

WE'RE CELEBRATING FREEDOM ON THE HEELS OF OUR INDEPENDENCE.

THAT'S WHAT'S UP. COURAGEOUS FREEDOM WEEK.

IT IS HEREBY PROCLAIMED BY THE MAYOR OF THE GREATEST CITY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH, PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA.

WHEREAS THE MONTH OF JULY REMINDS ALL AMERICANS THE ANNIVERSARY OF OUR DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE AND THE SACRIFICES OF OUR FOUNDERS WHO DEDICATED THEIR LIVES, THEIR FORTUNES, AND THEIR SACRED HONOR TO WHATEVER WAS NECESSARY TO BIRTH THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. THAT IS THE ULTIMATE DEFINITION OF A COURAGEOUS FREEDOM.

AND. WHEREAS, EXCEPT FOR THE GRACE OF ALMIGHTY GOD THE GREAT, I AM, DOES THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA EXIST? IN A LETTER THAT GEORGE WASHINGTON WROTE TO HIS BROTHER, JOHN WASHINGTON, ON JULY 18TH, 1755.

HE ASSURED HIM THAT THE RUMORS OF HIS DEATH WERE UNTRUE.

HE CONTINUED TO PROCLAIM, BUT BY THE ALL POWERFUL DISPENSATION OF PROVIDENCE, I HAVE BEEN PROTECTED BEYOND ALL HUMAN PROBABILITY OR EXPECTATION.

FOR I HAD FOUR BULLETS THROUGH MY COAT AND TWO HORSES SHOT UNDER ME, YET ESCAPED UNHURT.

ALTHOUGH DEATH WAS LEVELING MY COMPANIONS ON EVERY SIDE OF ME.

OUR FIRST PRESIDENT RECEIVED THE HIGHEST PROTECTION AVAILABLE TO ENSURE THAT THESE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WERE BORN TO RECEIVE THE BLESSINGS OF LIBERTY FOR ALL OUR CITIZENS.

THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF COURAGEOUS FREEDOM.

AND. WHEREAS, COURAGEOUS FREEDOM IS NOT LIMITED TO ANY CATEGORY OF GROUP OF INDIVIDUAL.

WHEN A NEED ARISES.

IN APRIL 1777, COLONEL HENRY LUDINGTON, THE LEADER OF A MILLION OR OF THE CONNECTICUT MILITIA, AS YOU WERE, WAS ALERTED BY A MESSENGER FROM DANBURY, CONNECTICUT.

YOU KNOW, DANBURY HAS A GREAT FEAR.

I'M NOT SURE IF THEY DO IT EVERY YEAR, BUT THEY CERTAINLY DID WHEN I WAS GROWING UP THAT A LARGE BRITISH FORCE HAD ARRIVED IN FAIRFIELD.

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SYBIL LUDINGTON, THE COLONEL'S 16 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER, VOLUNTEERED TO CARRY THE MESSAGE ACROSS 40 MILES OF DANGEROUS COUNTRY.

A 16 YEAR OLD SYBIL SACRIFICE ENABLED THE MILITIA TO RESPOND TO THE CALL OF THE BATTLE OF RIDGEFIELD ON APRIL 27TH, 1777. UNSELFISH VOLUNTEER VOLUNTEERISM BY MISS SYBIL LUDINGTON IS AN EXAMPLE OF COURAGEOUS FREEDOM.

NOW, THEREFORE, I ROB MEDINA, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BY VIRTUE OF THE AUTHORITY OF SAID OFFICE, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM THE WEEK OF JULY 15TH THROUGH THE 21ST 2023 AS COURAGEOUS FREEDOM WEEK AND AS ALL OUR CITIZENS TO AFFIRM THEIR VALUES, TO AFFIRM THEIR COMMITMENT TO THEIR DUTY AS CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND SPECIFICALLY IN PALM BAY, FLORIDA, BY VIGILANTLY PROTECTING THE FREEDOMS GUARANTEED TO US THROUGH GUARDIAN OF OUR LIBERTIES AND WITNESS WHEREOF I HAVE SET MY HAND AND CAUSED THE SEAL OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY TO BE AFFIXED THIS SIXTH DAY OF JULY 2023.

COME ON UP, RUTH.

CONGRATULATIONS. SO EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED AN INVITATION TO OUR COURAGEOUS FREEDOM LUNCHEON THAT'S HAPPENING ON JULY 15TH TO START OUR WEEK OFF.

SO WE WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE OUR LOCAL CITIZENS HERE IN BREVARD COUNTY THAT HAVE BEEN VERY COURAGEOUS IN STANDING UP FOR FREEDOM. SO IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHO THEY ARE, COME TO THE LUNCHEON.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

TAKE A PICTURE RIGHT HERE. DON'T MOVE.

LIKE THIS. SHE'S LIKE.

READY. ONE, TWO.

CONGRATULATIONS. GO AHEAD.

OKAY. OUR NEXT PROCLAMATION IS PARKS AND RECREATION MONTH.

ISN'T IT GREAT TO HAVE PARKS AND REC? COME ON UP. COME ON UP.

HERE WE HAVE THE WHOLE TEAM IN RED.

THEY PROVIDE SO MANY EVENTS AND THESE LEADERS PROVIDED.

THANK YOU, TEAM AND ALL YOUR FOR ALL YOUR EFFORTS FOR THIS INDEPENDENCE DAY CELEBRATION THAT WAS OUTSTANDING.

OH, AS YOU WERE.

AS YOU WERE. IT IS HEREBY PROCLAIMED BY THE MAYOR OF THE GREATEST CITY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH, PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA.

WHEREAS PARKS AND RECREATION IS AN INTEGRAL PART OF COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT THIS COUNTRY, INCLUDING THE CITY AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

WHEREAS PARKS AND RECREATION PROMOTES HEALTH AND WELLNESS, IMPROVING THE PHYSICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE NEAR PARKS.

WHEREAS PARKS AND RECREATION PROMOTES TIME SPENT IN NATURE, WHICH POSITIVELY IMPACTS MENTAL HEALTH BY INCREASING COGNITIVE PERFORMANCE AND WELL BEING AND ALLEVIATING ILLNESSES SUCH AS DEPRESSION, ATTENTION DEFICIT DISORDERS AND ALZHEIMER'S.

AND. WHEREAS, PARKS AND RECREATION ENCOURAGES PHYSICAL ACTIVITIES BY PROVIDING SPACE FOR POPULAR SPORTS, HIKING TRAILS, SWIMMING POOLS AND MANY OTHER ACTIVITIES DESIGNED TO PROMOTE ACTIVE LIFESTYLES.

AND. WHEREAS, PARKS AND RECREATION PROGRAMING AND EDUCATION ACTIVITIES SUCH AS OUTINGS OUT OF SCHOOL, THE PROGRAMING, YOUTH, SPORTS AND ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION ARE CRITICAL TO CHILDHOOD DEVELOPMENT.

AND. WHEREAS, PARKS AND RECREATION INCREASES A COMMUNITY'S ECONOMIC PROSPERITY THROUGH INCREASED PROPERTY VALUES, EXPANSION OF LOCAL TAX BASE, INCREASED TOURISM, THE ATTRACTION AND RETENTION OF BUSINESSES, AND GET THIS CRIME REDUCTION. AND.

WHEREAS, PARKS AND RECREATION IS FUNDAMENTAL TO ENVIRONMENTAL WELL-BEING OF OUR COMMUNITY.

WHEREAS OUR PARKS AND NATURAL RECREATION AREAS ENSURE THE ECOLOGICAL BEAUTY OF OUR COMMUNITY AND PROVIDE A PLACE FOR CHILDREN AND ADULTS TO CONNECT WITH NATURE AND RECREATE OUTDOORS.

WHEREAS THE US OF HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES HAS DESIGNATED JULY AS PARKS AND REC RECREATION MONTH.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, RON MEDINA, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BY VIRTUE OF THE AUTHORITY OF SAID OFFICE, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM THE MONTH OF JULY AS PARKS AND RECREATION

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IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I HAVE SET MY HAND AND CAUSED THE SEAL OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY TO BE AFFIXED THIS SIXTH DAY OF JULY 2023.

COME ON UP, FRED.

POPPY PARKS DIRECTOR.

THANK YOU. IT'S A GREAT PLEASURE.

THIS IS THE NINTH YEAR IN A ROW THAT I GET THE PLEASURE OF ACCEPTING THIS WITH A BUNCH OF MY TEAM.

NOT EVERYBODY. ALSO JOINED BY FACILITIES, PARKS AND FACILITIES DIRECTOR GREG MINER AND FACILITIES MANAGER STEVE WHITTON.

BUT THEY'RE AN INTEGRAL PART OF WHAT WE DO.

IT TAKES COLLABORATION DAILY FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT EVENTS, PROGRAMS AND THEIR MAIN RESPONSIBILITIES TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS CLEAN AND SAFE. AND THAT'S A THAT'S A BIG DEAL.

SO THIS PAST SUNDAY, WE STARTED THE MONTH OFF WITH OUR INDEPENDENCE DAY CELEBRATION.

AND THAT IN ITSELF IS A VERY GREAT COLLABORATION OF ALL THE DEPARTMENTS IN THE CITY.

WE CAN'T WE CAN'T DO IT WITHOUT EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT DEPARTMENTS, HELP WITH PROCUREMENT AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.

POLICE AND FIRE ARE OUT THERE AND UTILITIES WAS OUT THERE.

IT WAS A GREAT TEAM EFFORT.

I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE 4TH OF JULY CELEBRATION HERE IN THE CITY SINCE 1968.

AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT THIS YEAR WAS PROBABLY THE SMOOTHEST RUN ONE WE'VE HAD.

IT WAS IT WAS REALLY OUTSTANDING.

SO JUST LIKE WE DID BACK IN MAY, WE'RE GOING TO SHOW A LITTLE VIDEO AND IT'S GOING TO KICK OFF WITH THE SOME HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE 4TH OF JULY. AND THEN IT'LL HAVE SOME EVENTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING THE REST OF THE MONTH.

SO THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING OUT AND APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU. 1960.

THAT LOOKS GOOD RIGHT THERE.

LOOK AT THAT.

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HEY, THIS IS YOUR PARKS AND REC TEAM, GUYS.

GIVE IT UP. ARE YOU RIDING ON PURPOSE? YEAH.

OKAY, MA'AM, WE ARE NOW ON PRESENTATIONS.

[PRESENTATIONS]

THANK YOU, MAYOR, FOR THIS ITEM.

I'D LIKE TO BRING UP OUR CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL, JOHN PEARSON.

I KNOW HE'S GOT SOME EXCITING NEWS TO SHARE WITH THE COMMUNITY AND HE'S GOT HIS WHOLE TEAM WITH HIM, WHICH I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT, SO.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIRMAN, MAYOR, DEPUTY MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

GOOD EVENING TO YOU ALL.

AND THE TRAGEDY OF OTHELLO.

WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE WROTE GOOD NAME IN MAN AND WOMAN.

DEAR MY LORD, IS THE IMMEDIATE JEWEL OF THEIR SOULS WHO STEALS MY PURSE, STEALS TRASH.

TIS SOMETHING.

NOTHING. TWAS MINE.

TIS HIS AND HAS BEEN SLAVE TO THOUSANDS.

BUT HE THAT FILCHES FOR ME.

MY GOOD NAME ROBS ME OF THAT WHICH NOT ENRICHES HIM AND MAKES ME POOR.

INDEED, A PROFOUND STATEMENT ON THE IMPORTANCE OF A GOOD NAME.

NOW, PERHAPS SOME ARE NOT A FAN OF SHAKESPEARE, BUT CERTAINLY ALL WOULD AGREE THAT A GOOD NAME IS IMPORTANT.

IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US AS INDIVIDUALS.

IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US AS A CITY AND BY EXTENSION, THOSE DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THE CITY.

OF COURSE, IT IS WITH THIS THOUGHT IN MIND THAT OUR PREVIOUS CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL, VALENTINA PEREZ, PURSUED A LEVEL OF CUSTOMER SERVICE AND QUALITY FOR THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. AND AS YOU KNOW, IN JANUARY OF 2022, WE WERE AWARDED A BUILDING DEPARTMENT RECOGNITION, THE FIRST IN THE UNITED STATES TO RECEIVE THAT RECOGNITION.

AND WHILE THE RECOGNITION PROGRAM IS A SUBSTANTIAL ACHIEVEMENT FOR ANY BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO ATTAIN, IT IS DESIGNED AS A FIRST STEP TOWARDS BUILDING TOWARD ACCREDITATION.

THAT NEXT STEP OF BUILDING DEPARTMENT ACCREDITATION FURTHER DEMONSTRATES THAT A DEPARTMENT HAS IMPLEMENTED BEST PRACTICES FOR BUILDING SAFETY AND CUSTOMER SERVICE.

SO WE'RE HAPPY TO ANNOUNCE THAT AS OF MAY 17TH, 2023, THE CITY OF PALM BAY BUILDING DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN AWARDED A BUILDING DEPARTMENT ACCREDITATION.

IN A MOMENT I WILL PASS THE LECTERN TO A REPRESENTATIVE FROM IRS TO EXPLAIN FURTHER ABOUT THIS PROGRAM AND OF COURSE, TO PRESENT THE CERTIFICATE.

HOWEVER, I WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT TO RECOGNIZE ALL IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT THAT CONTRIBUTED TO OUR SUCCESS.

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WE STARTED DOWN THIS ROAD, OF COURSE, BECAUSE OF VALENTINA PEREZ, AND WHILE HE'S WITH PUBLIC WORKS NOW AND WE CERTAINLY HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN HIM.

SO GREAT SHOUT OUT TO VALENTINA AS WELL.

AND I HAVE, OF COURSE, CONTINUED WITH THAT GOAL OF ATTAINING ACCREDITATION.

BUT REALLY IT TAKES ALL IN OUR DEPARTMENT TO BE SUCCESSFUL.

I WOULD BE REMISS IF I FAILED TO MENTION THE DEDICATION AND COMMITMENT THAT DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEES HAVE DISPLAYED IN THIS REGARD.

THEY HAVE CERTAINLY CONTRIBUTED TO BUILDING A GOOD NAME AND WE ARE ALL COMMITTED TO CONTINUE DOING WHAT IS REQUIRED TO MAKE OUR GOOD NAME BETTER.

SO NOW I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE ALPHA NET WATERS LEAD ASSESSOR WITH IAS.

MS. WATERS WILL PROVIDE FURTHER INFORMATION.

AS I INDICATED, MS..

WATERS, YOU HAVE OUR ATTENTION.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR MEDINA, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND YOUR WONDERFUL COMMUNITY.

THE BEST CITY ON EARTH.

I SEE THAT AND I FEEL THAT.

MY NAME IS ALVIN ATWATER'S.

I'M THE LEAD ASSESSOR FOR IRS BUILDING DEPARTMENT ACCREDITATION.

I I'M HERE THIS EVENING TO SHARE SOME GOOD NEWS WITH YOU GUYS ABOUT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IN THE GREATEST CITY ON EARTH.

PALM BAY BUILDING DEPARTMENT IN THE WAY OF IS AND THE BACKGROUND IS IS AN INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED ACCREDITING ORGANIZATION THAT GRANTS ACCREDITATION TO ORGANIZATIONS THAT MEET INTERNATIONAL STANDARDS.

ONE OF OUR PROGRAMS IS THE ACCREDITATION OF LOCAL BUILDING DEPARTMENTS TO ACHIEVE IS BUILDING DEPARTMENT ACCREDITATION.

BUILDING DEPARTMENTS MUST DEMONSTRATE CONFORMANCE WITH AN INTERNATIONAL STANDARDS THAT'S DESIGNED TO ENSURE THE DELIVERY OF HIGH QUALITY PROFESSIONAL PERMITTING PLAN REVIEW AND INSPECTIONS.

AS PART OF THE ACCREDITATION PROCESS, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENTS ARE REQUIRED TO UNDERGO A RIGOROUS ON SITE ASSESSMENT BY A TEAM OF TRAINED EYES PROFESSIONALS THAT ARE EXPERIENCED IN THE FIELD AND THEY ARE TO CONFORM AND VERIFY THAT THEY CONFORM TO THE STANDARDS SET BY THE INTERNATIONAL ACCREDITATION. THE CITY OF PALM BAY RECENTLY INITIATED THE PROCESS TO ATTAIN IS BUILDING DEPARTMENT ACCREDITATION, AND AS PART OF THEIR PROCESS, THE DEPARTMENT DEVELOPED AND IMPLEMENTED QUALITY MANAGEMENT SYSTEM THAT INCLUDES TIMELINESS, QUALITY ASSURANCE, STAFF, PROFESSIONALISM AND SERVICE GOALS THAT DELIVER PERMITTING, PLAN REVIEW AND INSPECTION SERVICES.

AFTER THOSE GOALS WERE DEVELOPED, THE DEPARTMENT CONDUCTED INTERNAL AUDITS TO DOCUMENT THE CURRENT SERVICE DELIVERY AS COMPARED TO ITS STATED GOALS.

THE RESULTS OF THE INTERNAL AUDITS INDICATES THAT THE DEPARTMENT IS CURRENTLY MEETING.

AND IN MANY CASES, AND I WILL REITERATE MANY CASES, THEY ARE EXCEEDING THE STATED GOALS AND WE'RE SO PROUD OF THEM FOR THAT.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE MOVING FORWARD THAT THE DEPARTMENT WILL CONTINUE SIMILAR INTERNAL AUDITS ON A REGULAR BASIS.

SO THEY'LL CONTINUE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY PERFORM A HIGH LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR YOU ALL.

IN ADDITION, THE DEPARTMENT ALSO RECENTLY WENT UNDERWENT THAT RIGOROUS ON SITE ASSESSMENT, AND I WAS PART OF THE TEAM.

DIDN'T HESITATE AT. THEY BROUGHT THEIR BEST.

THEY SHOWED US THEIR BEST.

AND THEY ARE PART OF THE BEST.

SO FINALLY, I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT CUSTOMERS WERE INTERVIEWED AND WE OBTAINED FIELD FEEDBACK ABOUT THE SERVICES DELIVERED BY THE DEPARTMENT.

THE INFORMATION THAT WAS OBTAINED DURING THE INTERVIEWS INDICATES THAT THE DEPARTMENT IS OPERATING AT A HIGH TECHNICAL AND PROFESSIONAL LEVEL.

SO BASED UPON OUR REVIEW OF THE DEPARTMENT'S POLICIES PROCEDURES, THE ON SITE ASSESSMENT, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WAS FOUND TO BE OPERATING IN SUBSTANTIAL CONFORMANCE WITH THE INTERNATIONAL STANDARDS FOR BUILDING DEPARTMENT ACCREDITATION.

ACCORDINGLY, I AM MOST PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE.

THAT THE CITY OF PALM BAY, THE GREATEST CITY IN THE WORLD ON EARTH, AND WE FEEL IT.

I FEEL I FELT THAT WHEN I WALKED IN HERE.

YOU GUYS ARE SO ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT YOUR COMMUNITY AND THIS IS A GREAT ACCOMPLISHMENT FOR YOUR DEPARTMENT.

AND I'M SO PLEASED TO AWARD THEM.

AND I'D LIKE TO CONGRATULATE BUILDING OFFICIAL JOHN PEARSON AND THE ENTIRE BUILDING DEPARTMENT STAFF FOR A JOB WELL DONE.

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THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

DID YOU WANT TO HAVE EVERYONE? SO I THINK THE WHOLE TEAM SHOULD COME UP.

THAT'S THE FIRST THING. AND AS THEY COME UP, VALENTINO, YOU COMING UP TO VALENTINO? YOU COME ON UP TO MOM, WE'LL GIVE YOU SOMETHING GREEN TO WEAR, BUT COME ON UP.

LISTEN, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I JUST WANT TO PREFACE THIS BY SAYING THAT OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT WAS CHALLENGED PRIOR TO ANYONE HERE ON THIS DAIS.

PRETTY MUCH. AND WHAT VALENTINO AND JOHN HAVE ACCOMPLISHED, WHAT THIS TEAM HAS ACCOMPLISHED IS REALLY TO BE RECOGNIZED ALL THE EFFORTS.

AND OUR CUSTOMERS ARE PRAISING, PRAISING YOU.

SO YOU'RE MAKING THE WHOLE CITY LOOK GOOD.

THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR EFFORTS.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. WE'RE REALLY PROUD OF YOU.

AND COUNCIL IS GOING TO COME DOWN THERE AND JOIN YOU.

AND THAT'S WHAT YOU DID TO ME.

LET'S TALK LIKE WE LOVE ONE ANOTHER, HUH? HOW'S THAT? LET'S TALK LIKE WE LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

LET'S ALL GET TOGETHER.

COUNCIL. WHERE'S VALENTINO? GIVE HIM SOME GREEN. OKAY, EVERYBODY READY? YES. WE'RE LOOKING AT YOU.

ALL RIGHT. YOU CAN'T SEE ME.

I CAN'T SEE YOU. NO.

KNOW. READY? ONE, TWO, THREE.

YOU.

SO BEING THAT WE REARRANGED A FEW THINGS, WE ARE NOW ON PUBLIC HEARINGS OR PUBLIC COMMENTS, AS YOU WERE.

WE'RE NOW ON PUBLIC COMMENTS.

[PUBLIC COMMENTS/RESPONSES]

THANK YOU. MR. PHIL COCHRAN, FOLLOWED BY MR. TIM BLAND. MR. CORGAN. LET'S SHOW THE POWERPOINT FIRST AND THEN THE VIDEO.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

I THOUGHT I'D BRING YOU GUYS UP TO DATE ON WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE GOLF COURSE.

THIS IS A VIEW FROM MY PROPERTY BEFORE JOY LLC.

COVER THE PROPERTY.

THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW.

YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS HAVE ACTUALLY TRESPASSED AND TAKEN IT UPON THEMSELVES TO MOW.

I HAVE A VIDEO. IF I HAVE TIME, I'M GOING TO SHOW IT TO YOU.

THE GRASS IS 36IN TALL, OKAY.

BEHIND MY HOUSE AND IT'S WITHIN THE FIRST 15FT AS WELL.

SO IT DOESN'T MATTER WHICH WHICH STANDARD YOU HOLD IT TO.

OKAY. BRIAN, AGAIN, IF YOU GO BACK AND YOU LOOK IF YOU NOTICED ON THE FIRST SLIDE, THERE WAS IT WAS COMPLETELY MOWED UNDERNEATH THE TREES.

IT WAS BEAUTIFUL THAT THAT PIECE OF LAND UNDERNEATH THE TREES HASN'T BEEN TOUCHED IN WAY OVER A YEAR.

ALL RIGHT, BRIAN. OKAY.

THIS IS WHAT IT USED TO LOOK LIKE BEFORE JOY LLC, ALL NICELY MANICURED, RIGHT DOWN TO THE WATER'S EDGE.

NOW, THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

IT'S ALL OVERGROWN.

AND THERE'S A BRAZILIAN PEPPER TREES ALL OVER THE PLACE ENCROACHING ON THE LAND.

WE HAVE SOME NEW INVADERS IN THE AREA.

SINCE THE COURSE IS NOT BEING MAINTAINED, THOSE ARE MOLE TRAPS ON MY PROPERTY.

AND YOU CAN SEE ALL THE MOLE HILLS THAT ARE INVADING.

WE HAVE MOLES, WE HAVE RATS, WE HAVE SNAKES, AND WE HAVE FIRE ANTS.

AND THE REASON I KNOW THIS IS BECAUSE I USED TO MAINTAIN THAT PROPERTY WHEN CHARLIE STAPLED ON IT, AND I WOULD WALK ALONG THE EDGE OF THE POND AND I WOULD SCARE OUT THE SNAKES IN THE IN THE RATS.

GO AHEAD. EVEN THE SANDHILL CRANES DON'T LIKE THE LONG GRASS.

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UH, THIS WAS OUR VISION FOR 2045 MEETING ON AUGUST 25TH.

YOU'LL NOTICE THE RED SHIRTS.

WE THANK COUNCILMAN FOSTER FOR ATTENDING.

HE WAS VERY INTERESTED IN WHAT WAS GOING ON.

UNFORTUNATELY, ONE OF THE GUYS SHOWN IN THAT PICTURE IS NO LONGER WITH US.

MIKE AVELLINO WE WE PRAY FOR HIM.

HERE WE ARE INSIDE, I THINK DEPUTY MAYOR NOW, FELIX WAS AT THAT MEETING.

SO THANK HIM FOR ATTENDING.

NOW NEXT.

SO THIS IS WHAT THE PEOPLE OF BAYSIDE LAKES AND PALM BAY DECIDED THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN IN ON THE PROPERTY THAT WAS FORMERLY A GOLF COURSE.

AND YOU'LL NOTICE ALL THE GREEN STICKERS.

IT'S MORE IT'S SEVERAL LAYERS OF GREEN STICKERS THERE, ACTUALLY.

AND THAT'S FOR GREEN SPACE AND RECREATION.

SO I DID A STUDY.

WE DID A STUDY THAT SHOWED THAT IF WE LOOK AT WHERE THE PARKS ARE IN PALM BAY, THERE'S 29 PARKS NORTH OF MALABAR ROAD.

THERE'S ONLY EIGHT PARKS SOUTH OF MALABAR ROAD.

AND THERE'S A LARGE DISPARITY BETWEEN THE GREEN SPACE NORTH OF MALABAR AND WHAT WE HAVE SOUTH OF MALABAR.

THE GOLF COURSE IS NO TRESPASSING.

SO THERE'S 208 ACRES THERE THAT WE CAN'T WE CAN'T COUNT AS GREEN SPACE BECAUSE WE CAN'T USE IT FOR ANYTHING.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE, OUR RESIDENTS INVESTED THEIR TIME TO MAKE THE CITY BETTER.

PLEASE DO NOT DISAPPOINT ME AND MY NEIGHBORS BY CHANGING THE FUTURE LAND USE.

AND PLEASE KEEP IT AT 511 UNIT PER FIVE ACRES.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

NEXT SPEAKER. MR. BLAND.

GOOD EVENING, TIM BLANCHARD, 1992 LYNBROOK DRIVE, SOUTHEAST PALM BAY.

I APPRECIATED THE PRESENTATION FROM PARKS AND REC TONIGHT.

IT WAS GREAT. UM, YOU KNOW, THEY HELD THEIR ANNUAL GOLF TOURNAMENT AT THE HABITAT IN VALKARIA, AS DID THE PALM BAY SWAT TEAM.

WHY? WELL, THEY USED TO HAVE IT HERE IN PALM BAY, BUT PALM BAY, THE LARGEST CITY IN LAND AND POPULATION IN ALL OF BREVARD COUNTY, DOES NOT HAVE A GOLF COURSE.

SHAME ON PARKS AND REC AND SHAME ON YOU GUYS FOR NOT PROVIDING ENTERTAINMENT AND ACTIVITIES FOR THE RESIDENTS. A COUPLE 100,000 RESIDENTS IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON.

I SEE THERE'S A LOT OF AMENDMENTS TONIGHT ON THE AGENDA.

CHANGING OR AMENDING ORDINANCES, CHANGING ZONING TO ALLOW ALL THIS CRAZY, CRAZY DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE THAT'S COMING UP IN PALM BAY.

YOU KNOW, I MOVED HERE FROM CHICAGO, ILLINOIS.

I BOUGHT MY HOUSE BECAUSE IT HAD A POOL AND IT WAS ON A GOLF COURSE.

YEAH, THE GOLF COURSE IS GONE.

VALUE HAS GONE DOWN.

AND IN IN THE LAST OVER A YEAR SINCE THAT GOLF COURSE CLOSED, THE CITY HAS DONE NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING.

WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS.

IT'S ALL OVERGROWN.

I LOOK AT STUFF THAT'S THREE, FOUR FEET TALL.

THERE'S THERE'S EXCUSE AFTER EXCUSE HER, HER, HER HER CONTRACTOR'S PTO BROKE.

IT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER WEEK FOR PTO.

BUT FROM THE VERY BEGINNING SHE WAS JUST PULLING THE WOOL OVER YOUR GUYS'S EYES.

SHE WAS MOWING THE FRONT WHERE YOU COULD SEE FROM BAYSIDE LAKES, BUT NOTHING ELSE WAS BEING DONE BEHIND THE CLUBHOUSE.

NOTHING. AND JUST LIKE MY GOOD FRIEND PHIL SHOWED YOU ON THESE VIDEOS, THESE THESE PICTURES, IT'S ALL OVERGROWN CODE COMPLIANCE. GREAT.

WHAT WE NEED IS CODE ENFORCEMENT.

SHE WENT IN FRONT.

SHE WENT IN FRONT OF THE MAGISTRATE.

MAGISTRATE GAVE HER 15 DAYS TO COMPLY.

THAT WAS 17 OR 18 DAYS AGO.

AND A PALTRY $50 A DAY FINE.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME? THAT'S NOT A FINE.

THAT'S PENNIES TO THIS PERSON.

IT SHOULD BE $250 A DAY.

IT'S UNSIGHTLY AND IT'S UNMANAGEABLE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

AND AND, YOU KNOW, JUST SO THAT YOU KNOW, SIR, WE UNDERSTAND YOUR FRUSTRATION AND WE'RE FRUSTRATED AS WELL.

BUT YOU'RE WHEN YOU SAY SHAME ON THIS COUNCIL, PLEASE BE CLEAR THAT PROPERTY DOES NOT BELONG TO THIS COUNCIL.

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BUT YOU ACCUSING THIS COUNCIL AND SAYING THINGS LIKE THAT MAKE IT SEEM THAT WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO SOMETHING WHEN IN REALITY THAT PROPERTY DOES NOT BELONG TO US.

AND WE'VE EVEN OFFERED.

MADAM CHAIRMAN, CAN YOU GIVE US A BRIEF ON YOUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE ACTUAL PROPERTY OWNER? YES, MAYOR. SO THE MOST RECENT CONVERSATIONS RELATED TO AN APPRAISAL THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER ACQUIRED FOR THE PARCEL FOR THE GOLF COURSE PARCEL, AND SHE SHARED THAT WITH US AND WE EVALUATED IT, UNFORTUNATELY, THE.

LOWEST VALUE THAT WAS PLACED ON THE ON THE PARCEL BY THE APPRAISER THAT WAS HIRED BY THE OWNER WAS AROUND $7 MILLION.

AND AS WE'VE DISCUSSED IN PREVIOUS WORKSHOPS AND AT OTHER MEETINGS, THE VALUE THAT WE WOULD ASSESS ON THE PROPERTY AS A GOLF COURSE IS MUCH LESS THAN THAT.

SO I DID HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION, AS I SHARED WITH COUNCIL IN AN EMAIL NOT TOO LONG AGO, I HAD ANOTHER CONVERSATION WITH THE OWNER TO DISCUSS WHETHER THERE WOULD BE A WILLINGNESS TO SELL FOR A A LOWER AMOUNT THAN APPRAISED VALUE, AND THE RESPONSE I GOT WAS IN THE NEGATIVE.

AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE STAND RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE KEEPING DIALOG OPEN BOTH WITH THE RESIDENTS AS WELL AS WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER, IN HOPES THAT WE CAN ULTIMATELY FIND A SOLUTION THAT WORKS FOR EVERYONE.

BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE KIND OF IN A STATUS QUO HOLDING PATTERN ON THAT.

THANK YOU. I REALLY APPRECIATE DISCLOSING WHAT OUR EFFORTS ARE EVEN BEHIND THE SCENES BECAUSE IT'S IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO US THAT WE HAVE LOST A GEM.

AND I'VE SAID IT ON THE DICE TIME AND TIME AGAIN THAT IS A GEM IN OUR COMMUNITY, WAS A GEM IN OUR COMMUNITY.

THE GOLF COURSE DID CHANGE THE DYNAMICS OF THIS GREAT CITY.

AND I THINK COUNCIL AS A WHOLE WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT CONTINUE.

BUT AGAIN, WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THAT.

SO I JUST WANTED TO TOUCH THAT.

WHO IS THE NEXT SPEAKER? MR. BILL BATTEN.

FOLLOWED BY MR. CHARLES SOTO. BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST. THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, A COUNCIL MEMBER VOICED SUPPORT FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS.

RIGHT NOW, ILLEGAL ALIENS ARE STRAINING LOCAL, STATE AND FEDERAL RESOURCES.

THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO BROKE THE LAW TO ENTER THIS COUNTRY.

WE HAVE HUMAN TRAFFICKERS, SEX TRAFFICKERS AND DRUG TRAFFICKERS.

ALL OF THESE ARE LAWBREAKERS.

THERE IS ALSO A FINANCIAL BURDEN AS A RESULT OF THESE ILLEGAL ALIENS.

$150.7 BILLION ANNUALLY.

AND IT IS INCREASING.

COUNCIL MEMBERS SHOULD NOT BE SHOWING SUPPORT FOR THIS TYPE OF ACTION.

I AM NOT AGAINST IMMIGRATION.

I AM AGAINST ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.

AND MY ELECTED OFFICIALS WHO SWORE TO UPHOLD SHOULD HAVE THE SAME FEELING AND NOT OR IF THEY DO NOT HAVE THE SAME FEELING, SHOULD NOT EXPRESS IT FROM THE PULPIT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

NEXT SPEAKER. CICERO.

GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.

I JUST WANTED TO COME UP AND JUST REPLANT MYSELF IN YOUR.

IN THIS COMMITTEE HERE.

I'VE DONE A LOT OF LAMENTING OVER THE SITUATION AT THE MAJORS, AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT TOUCH ME.

WE JUST CELEBRATED THE ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF THE REGRETTABLE CLOSING OF THE MAJORS COURSE.

TO MAKE MATTERS WORSE, IT WAS DONE ON A DAY THAT WAS USUALLY RESERVED TO CELEBRATE DADS AND OUR FAMILIES.

FATHER'S DAY.

HOW TO PLAY CRIBBAGE.

I, FOR ONE, ANGUISHED OVER THE FALLOUT OF SUCH A SELFISH EVENT WITH WHICH SENT IMMEASURABLE SHOCKWAVES THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY IN PALM BAY.

THE RAMIFICATIONS OF SUCH EVENTS ARE STAGGERING AND SEEM TO BE GETTING LOST IN THE BLOWBACK.

BLOWBACK, MEANING US COMING HERE AND BEATING EACH OTHER UP.

UH, THE EVENTS ARE LEFT PHYSICAL, EMOTIONAL, SOCIAL AND SPIRITUAL SCARS ON OUR COMMUNITY.

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I WON'T. I WON'T DIGRESS ON THE SYMPTOMS INDIVIDUALLY, AS THEY HAVE DIFFERENT EFFECTS ON DIFFERENT PEOPLE.

THAT BEING SAID, I'D LIKE TO SHARE WHAT'S APPARENTLY HAPPENING IN OUR OWN BACKYARDS, WHERE ONCE WE GATHER TO SOCIALIZE, RELAX, MEET WITH FRIENDS AND MEET WITH NEW FRIENDS IS NO LONGER THERE.

IT WAS TAKEN AWAY FROM US FOR WHAT THE SPORT ITSELF WAS TAKEN AWAY FROM US.

IT CAME AS A SHOCK.

DEPRESSION FOR MANY PHYSICAL EXERCISE, WHICH MEANT A LOT TO THE AGING COMMUNITY.

WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, 99% OF THE PEOPLE ON THE GOLF COURSE ARE OVER 65 YEARS OLD.

LOOKING BACK, WHAT ONCE WAS A BEAUTIFUL TRACT OF LAND USEFUL TO US IN SO MANY WAYS, INCLUDING WILDLIFE CONSERVATION AND THE ENJOYMENT THAT CAME FROM SEEING WATERFOWL EAGLES, OSPREYS, CRANES, ALLIGATORS AND THE LIST GOES ON.

PROPERTY IS SHOWN BECOMING ANOTHER COMPOUND WITH NO END IN SIGHT, NO RATIONAL END IN SIGHT THAT IS CLOSING UNLESS AN INDELIBLE MARK ON OUR COMMUNITY. ALL REQUIRED BY OUR PERSONAL CONSTITUTION AND COVENANTS TO LEAVE A PLACE IN BETTER SHAPE THAN WHAT WE FOUND IT.

I SPOKE TO MANY OF OUR CONSTITUENTS.

THEY ALL CITE THE SAME TAKE AWAY.

IT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE A BETTER WAY.

ANOTHER WAY, A MORE MANAGEABLE WAY.

A MORE HUMANE WAY.

THE FEELINGS OF EMOTION I LIVE WITH AND MANY OF MY FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS IN REAL PROBABLY WON'T GO AWAY FOR SOME TIME.

LOOKING IN THE MAJORS EVERY DAY REMINDS ME OF A PLACE I LIVED FOR A YEAR AND SAW THE RESULTS OF UNNECESSARY DESTRUCTION AND WILLFUL DISREGARD FOR PEOPLE AND THEIR HUMANITY.

HIS PEOPLE LEFT A BIG EMPTY HOLE OVER THERE.

AND NOW I'M LOOKING AT A BIG EMPTY HOLE OVER HERE.

PLEASE REMEMBER, WE'RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER.

THANK YOU, SIR. SUZANNE HOLLOWAY.

I WAS BY MR. ARRIAGA. HELLO.

SUSAN HALLORAN. 887 VIENNA CIRCLE.

THE STREETLIGHT BETWEEN 887 AND 889 HAS NOW BEEN OUT FOR OVER FIVE MONTHS.

I HAVE MADE SIX CALLS, INCLUDING TO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, AND I CAN'T GET THE STREETLIGHT REPAIRED.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO DO.

I DON'T THINK THIS IS GOOD SERVICE.

MY SECOND ISSUE IS THE FIREWORKS.

SIX NIGHTS IN A ROW NOW, WE HAVE HAD FIREWORKS.

MAJOR FIREWORKS.

PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE WITH MORTARS, I BELIEVE LARGE BANGS AFTER MIDNIGHT.

WE HAVE. READ ALL OVER THE STREETS, ALL OVER THE SIDEWALKS.

WE HAVE NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE PTSD.

WE HAVE PEOPLE WITH SMALL CHILDREN.

I HAVE HAD TO TRANQUILIZE MY DOG FOR SIX NIGHTS.

WHY AREN'T WE ENFORCING THIS LAW? THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MA'AM.

HAVE YOU CONTACTED LAW ENFORCEMENT? I HAVE NUMBER OF YEARS IN A ROW.

THIS YEAR. POLICE CAN'T DO ANYTHING.

THEY CAN'T PROSECUTE IT.

THEY'LL SEND SOMEONE OUT TO DRIVE BY.

IT DOESN'T WORK.

AND DO WE HAVE YOUR ADDRESS OF THE LIGHT BEING OUT? YES, YOU DO.

OKAY. MADAM SHERMAN, DO YOU HAVE THAT? YEAH. PLEASE RESPOND TO.

I'VE GOT IT. I FOUND THAT WE RECEIVED THAT BACK IN EARLY JUNE AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE PUT THE REQUEST IN WITH FPL TO REPAIR THAT STREETLIGHT.

THAT WAS MY FIFTH CALL.

I'LL HAVE STAFF FOLLOW UP WITH FPL TO SEE WHAT THEIR TIMELINE IS AND WE'LL FOLLOW UP WITH YOU.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MA'AM.

NEXT.

YEAH. GOOD NIGHT TO COUNCIL AND THE MEMBER STAFF.

ALFRED NAGAR FROM 1680 MAIN STREET, NORTHEAST PALM BAY.

I MUST COMMENT ON THIS FREEDOM.

WE HAVE PROCUREMENT THIS EVENING AND THAT WAS VERY GREAT TO CELEBRATE OUR INDEPENDENCE AND FREEDOM.

AND I MUST SAY ONE OF THE THING IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE AS CITIZENS OF THIS GREAT CITY, UNDERSTAND THE DIVERSITY THAT WE HAVE IN OUR CITY.

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AND ONE OF THE THING IS, I'M INDIAN AND I DON'T KNOW IF MOST OF US KNOW ABOUT PRIMARY COLORS AND SECONDARY COLORS.

THIS WORLD WAS STARTED WITH INDIANS, AFRICANS, CHINESE AND CAUCASIAN.

AND THOSE ARE THE MAIN COLORS OF THE WORLD.

AND WE HAVE A LOT OF SECONDARY CAME AFTER THAT.

BUT ONE OF MY MAIN CONCERN IS I HAVE A CONTRACT WITH OUR CITY AND RIGHT NOW I AM VERY MUCH, YOU KNOW, VERY MUCH, I WOULD SAY DEPRESSED IN A SENSE WHERE I WAS TREATED.

I FEEL LIKE I WAS TREATED NEGATIVELY.

AND I HATE TO SAY WE MAY STILL HAVE SOME RACIAL PEOPLE OR PEOPLE THAT DISCRIMINATE US IN OUR CITY.

AND I COME TO THAT CONCLUSION.

I COULD BE WRONG A MILLION TIMES, BUT THAT JUST THE WAY I FEEL BECAUSE THIS CONTRACT WITH THE SPENT LIME UTILITIES, IT CAME UP FOR RENEWAL AND IT WAS PRETTY MUCH DENIED RENEWAL.

AND I'M REALLY CONCERNED OF WHERE IT CAME FROM AND WHAT CAUSES THAT DECISION.

AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD FOR A COUNCIL OR A CITY MANAGER TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS SITUATION.

AND AS I SAID, I COULD BE WRONG, BUT I HATE TO FEEL LIKE I AM DISCRIMINATED IN OUR CITY.

I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 1985 AND I WORK HARD.

I'VE BEEN I'VE BEEN A VENDOR FOR THE CITY OF PALM BAY MAYBE 15 YEARS.

I'VE BEEN DOING THIS PAINT LIME, MAYBE 12 YEARS ON AND OFF.

AND I THINK I'M DOING A GOOD JOB.

AND I HATE TO THINK WE HAVE SOME STAFF OR SOME CITIZENS THAT FEEL NEGATIVELY AMONGST US.

SO PLEASE, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU.

AND I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO PASS THAT ON TO OUR CITY MANAGER AND OUR PROCUREMENT SPECIALIST, BECAUSE I YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE WE GO THROUGH PROCUREMENT PROCESSES, RIGHT.

AND AND CHECKS AND BALANCES.

SO I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT IS BEING DISCUSSED.

AND AT THE SAME TIME, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO HAVE A HIGHER LEVEL REVIEW OVER THIS PROCESS.

WANT US TO COMMENT TONIGHT.

WE'RE PREPARED TO DO SO, IF YOU'D LIKE.

YES, MA'AM. OKAY.

THANK YOU, SIR. SO WE VALUE TRANSPARENCY AND EQUITY IN OUR PROCESSES.

AND I KNOW THAT JULIET MOSCONI, WHO IS OUR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, IS PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT IT, AS WELL AS OUR CHIEF PROCUREMENT OFFICER, GEORGE BARBER.

JULIET, I'LL LET YOU START WITH THE OVERVIEW.

WE'LL GET A LITTLE TIE IN FOR YOU RIGHT NOW, SIR.

YES, SIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

JULIET MOSCONI, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.

GOOD EVENING, MR. AGUIRRE.

WE SPOKE EARLIER TODAY.

I ALSO SPOKE WITH GEORGE BARBER, OUR CHIEF PROCUREMENT OFFICER, AND CHRIS LITTLE, OUR UTILITIES DIRECTOR.

THIS IS A CONTRACT THAT WAS FOR ONE YEAR AND HAD MULTIPLE ONE YEAR RENEWAL OPTIONS AT THE RENEWAL OPTION PERIOD.

THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT WANTED TO REFORMAT THE SCOPE OF WORK.

SO THAT'S ONE ELEMENT.

THE OTHER ELEMENT IS WHEN THIS CONTRACT WAS AWARDED, IT WAS AWARDED WITH A PRIMARY AND A SECONDARY.

INITIALLY, ALFIE'S TRUCKING WAS THE SECONDARY CONTRACT.

THE PRIMARY CONTRACT AT SOME POINT DURING THE CONTRACT PERIOD ACTUALLY WITHDREW AND SAID THEY COULDN'T MEET THE SCOPE.

SO ALFIE'S TRUCKING BECAME THE PRIMARY.

IT HAS BEEN THE AWARDED CONTRACTOR SINCE THAT TIME BECAUSE OF THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS SERVICE, WHICH IF YOU DO NEED ADDITIONAL DETAILS ON THAT, I'M GOING TO DEFER TO CHRIS.

WE NEED TO HAVE A PRIMARY AND A SECONDARY.

IN ADDITION, AS I MENTIONED, UTILITIES WANTS TO REFORMAT THE SCOPE.

THEY CAN'T DO THAT.

THEY CAN'T JUST PICK ANOTHER COMPANY.

AND IF WE MODIFY THE SCOPE, THEN WE'RE NOT COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES.

SO IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE ARE NOT EXERCISING THE FINAL RENEWAL OPTION AND GOING BACK OUT TO THE MARKETPLACE.

THIS IS A VERY STANDARD AND COMMON PRACTICE.

ALFIE'S TRUCKING WILL CERTAINLY BE ABLE TO BID AND THEY WILL BE CONSIDERED FOR AWARD.

AWARD WILL BE A BLIND BID SEALED AND WILL BE AWARDED TO THE LOWEST, MOST RESPONSIVE AND RESPONSIBLE BIDDER.

SO THERE'S NOT A SUBJECTIVE ELEMENT IN MAKING THE SELECTION.

I APPRECIATE THAT, MR. GUY. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS AND WHY THEY HAD TO CHANGE THE SCOPE?

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CAN'T SPEAK TO THE EXACT DETAILS OF WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO MODIFY IN THE SCOPE, BUT THEY ARE GOING TO CHANGE SOME OF THE SCOPE ELEMENTS.

AND WE DO WANT TO CONTRACT WITH AT LEAST TWO VENDORS SO THAT IF THERE IS AN ISSUE FOR ANY REASON WITH ITS ITS HAULING SERVICES, TRUCKING SERVICES, SO FOR ANY REASON SOMEONE'S TRUCK BROKE DOWN, WE NEED TO HAVE THIS MATERIAL REMOVED FROM THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO PROVIDE SERVICES AND WE WOULD HAVE A SECONDARY VENDOR TO CALL ON.

SO YOU'RE STILL IN THE BIDDING, SIR, I HIGHLY SUGGEST THAT YOU SIT DOWN WITH OUR PROCUREMENT OFFICER AT THIS TIME AND CONTINUE THAT DIALOG AS PART OF THE PROCESS. WE GOT ENOUGH INFORMATION.

COUNSEL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YES, SIR. I GOT ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, MAYOR, AND WE CAN'T GO BACK AND FORTH.

THIS IS NOT AN AGENDA ITEM.

YES, SIR. YES, SIR. BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS, SIR? DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? I DO. I, I, I GET YOU.

I'M CERTAINLY I'M NOT A DEFINITELY A PROCUREMENT SPECIALIST.

I LEAVE THAT TO YOU ALL.

MY ONLY CONCERN WITH THAT.

IN HIM BEING I MEAN, MR. GARY'S COMPANY BEING THE SECONDARY.

I'M NOT SURE WHY IS THAT REALLY BEING A BEING PART OF THIS CONVERSATION.

IF THE FIRST ONE, THE PRIMARY BAILOUT, FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEY COULD NOT MEET THE SCOPE, WHY IS THAT BEING HEAVILY WEIGHTED PART OF OUR DECISION? IS IT OR IS IT NOT? NO, NO. HE'S THE PRIMARY AT THIS.

I'M JUST TRYING TO. NO, NO, NO.

I'M JUST BECAUSE THAT BEING BROUGHT UP A FEW TIMES AS HIM IN THE PAST, HE WASN'T THE PRIMARY, BUT HE BECAME THE PRIMARY. I DEFAULT BECAUSE THE THE PRIMARY BAILOUT, IF I'M NOT, IS THAT BEING PART OF THE CONSIDERATION OR NOT? NO, IT'S NOT. OKAY. AND I APOLOGIZE IF I WAS UNCLEAR.

THE HE HAS BEEN BECAME THE PRIMARY QUITE SOME TIME AGO, ACTUALLY.

WE'VE ACTUALLY RENEWED THIS CONTRACT SINCE THEN.

THREE TIMES. YES.

AND I ONLY MENTION IT BECAUSE WHAT I PROBABLY SHOULD SAY FOR A MATTER OF CLARITY, I'M SPEAKING PROCUREMENT SPEAK.

WE NEED TO HAVE TWO VENDORS.

IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE OPERATIONS THAT WE HAVE A BACKUP.

SO WHOMEVER THE PRIMARY AND SECONDARY IT IS, IT DOESN'T MATTER TO THE CITY AS LONG AS WE HAVE TWO, THERE ISN'T A SECOND ONE THAT WE CAN GO TO RIGHT NOW WITHOUT GOING BACK OUT TO BID OR USING EMERGENCY SERVICES, WHICH MEANS WE HAVE NO COMPETITIVE RATE TO RELY ON.

NO, THAT'S FINE. I'M GETTING THE COMPANY THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR US, THAT'S BEEN SERVING, SERVICING US, AND IT'S NOT A MATTER OF PERFORMANCE.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE I'M CLEAR ON THAT.

CORRECT. THE DECISION TO REBID IS NOT A MATTER OF PERFORMANCE.

OKAY. THANK YOU. SO WHAT WE'RE HEARING AND COUNCILMAN FOSTER, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? I WANT TO AFFORD YOU THE OPPORTUNITY AS WELL.

COUNCILMAN. FOSTER.

BUT WHAT I'M HEARING, MR. GARY, IS THAT YOU ARE PERFORMING.

HOWEVER, THE SCOPE IS ABOUT TO CHANGE.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, IN THE FEDERAL CONTRACT WORLD.

RIGHT. IF YOU PERFORM WELL, USUALLY YOU GET EXTRA POINTS FOR THAT.

SO I'M NOT SURE IF WE'RE TAPPED INTO THAT, ARE WE? WE'RE NOT. OKAY.

I WAS JUST TRYING TO SAY ONE THING, SIR.

IF THE I KNOW IT'S A BACK AND FORTH DOESN'T HOLD MR. GARY. SO IF YOU DON'T MIND, JUST SPEAK WITH OUR PROCUREMENT OFFICIAL.

HE'S RIGHT OVER THERE. WELL, MR. BARBER, I KNOW YOUR TIME IS UP.

YES, SIR. AND NOW WE'RE MOVING ON.

I WAS JUST SAYING THAT THIS ISSUE CAME UP FROM A POINT OF ORDER.

RIGHT. I'M SORRY.

THAT'S OKAY. WE HAVE OTHER SPEAKERS, SIR.

YES, GO AHEAD. PASTOR KEN DELGADO, FOLLOWED BY ROBERT, MR. ROBERT STICE.

KENDALL GOT 154, ANGELO ROAD, SOUTHEAST PALM BAY.

WELCOME BACK. IT'S GOOD TO SEE EVERYBODY.

AND WE CONTINUE TO PRAY FOR COUNCILMAN FOSTER FOR HIS QUICK RECOVERY AND RETURN BACK TO THE DYESS.

I HOPE HE'S HEARING.

LET HIM KNOW THAT WE ARE STILL PRAYING.

YEAH. I'M A PASTOR AND, UH, SO THAT'S THAT'S MY MESSAGE FOR TODAY.

I'M GENESIS CHAPTER ONE.

GOD CREATED MAN IN HIS OWN IMAGE.

IN HIS IMAGE OF GOD.

HE CREATED HIM MALE AND FEMALE.

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I WAS GOING TO BUY A BAG OF LEGOS AND I WAS GOING TO PUT IT UP HERE AND I'M GOING TO SAY BUILD IT.

OBVIOUSLY, WHEN YOU HAVE A WHOLE BAG OF LEGOS, YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT TO DO WITH IT.

YOU CAN BUILD ANYTHING OUT OF IT.

WHO KNOWS WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

BUT IF IT COMES WITH AN INSTRUCTION BOOKLET, YOU CAN ACTUALLY FORM WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE.

AND SO IT'S AMAZING TO ME HOW GOD CREATED MAN AND BASICALLY GAVE US AN INSTRUCTION BOOKLET, YET WE WANT TO TRY TO FIX EVERYTHING WITHOUT LOOKING AT THE INSTRUCTION BOOKLET.

AND SO MY POINT HERE IS JUST THAT, NUMBER ONE, FOR ALL OF MANKIND, AS GOD FIXED MY OWN LIFE HEADING FOR A DIVORCE BUT FOUND THE INSTRUCTION BOOKLET, FIXED IT ALL UP JUST TO REMIND US THAT THIS BOOK STILL HAS IS FILLED WITH LIFE. JESUS WAS ACTUALLY SPEAKING TO US IN JOHN CHAPTER 15.

HE SAID IN JOHN 15, HE SAYS, I'M THE VINE, YOU ARE THE BRANCHES AS A BRANCH CANNOT PRODUCE OF ITSELF UNLESS IT'S HOOKED UP TO THE VINE. NEITHER CAN WE DO ANYTHING IF WE'RE NOT HOOKED UP TO HIM.

AND THEN RIGHT BELOW JOHN, CHAPTER 15, RIGHT FURTHER ON DOWN, IT SAYS THIS IF YOU ABIDE IN MY WORD, YOU CAN ASK WHAT YOU WILL AND IT WILL BE DONE UNTO YOU.

AND ONE THING WE CAN ASK FOR IS WISDOM.

YOU GUYS ARE FILLED WITH SITUATIONS THAT REQUIRE WISDOM.

AND I WANT TO JUST TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORY, THAT IF YOU GET GOD INVOLVED IN IT, ASK FOR SOME WISDOM, START PRAYING.

LOOK AT THE INSTRUCTION BOOKLET ON HOW TO DO THINGS.

YOU'LL FIND OUT THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE ANSWERS TO EVERY PROBLEM.

WE ALL HAVE PROBLEMS. WE ALL HAVE SITUATIONS, BUT WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO CARES ENOUGH ABOUT THIS WORLD THAT HE SENT HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON THAT IF WE COULD JOIN BACK TO GOD, WE CAN FIND THE WISDOM THAT WE NEED TO INDEED MAKE THIS THE BEST CITY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH.

GOD BLESS YOU.

WELCOME BACK. HOPE YOU ENJOYED YOUR VACATION AND JUST HAVE A BLESSED DAY.

ALL RIGHT. GOD BLESS YOU ALL.

THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER, MR. STICE.

GOOD EVENING, ROBERT STEIN 1796 WYNFORD DRIVE.

I REMEMBER WHEN THE GOLF COURSE CLOSED ON FATHER'S DAY, AND THEN SHORTLY WE PUT ALMOST 300 RED SHIRTS AT THE BAYSIDE HIGH SCHOOL THEATER, AND THE OWNER OF THE GOLF COURSE DIDN'T SHOW UP.

WE WON A UNANIMOUS VOTE.

WHAT I WANT TO TALK TO YOU YOU ALL ABOUT IS I BELIEVE YOU.

YOU REALIZE THAT THIS IS JUST AS IMPORTANT WHAT WE DO WITH THIS PROPERTY THAT WAS ALLOWED TO BE RUN INTO THE GROUND.

IT'S JUST AS IMPORTANT TO BAYSIDE.

I BEG YOUR PARDON? TO PALM BAY RESIDENTS, BAYSIDE LAKES RESIDENTS AS IT IS THE CITY COUNCIL.

WE ALL LIVE HERE.

LET ME SAY IN MY OPINION, SO I DON'T HAVE THE LAWYERS JUMPING ON MY THROAT HERE.

BUT IN MY OPINION, WHEN YOU DROPPED $2.1 MILLION FOR A GOLF COURSE, SELL OFF THE SPRINKLER SYSTEMS, RUN IT TOTALLY INTO THE GROUND, AND NOW YOU WANT TO SELL IT FOR $7 MILLION.

THAT DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO ME.

OKAY. WHAT DO YOU WHAT DO YOU FORESEE THAT WE'VE GOT 40% OF PALM BAY THAT'S STILL BEING DEVELOPED? WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH THIS PROPERTY? YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE A BUILDER LIKE KOLTER HOMES WANTED TO PUT HOUSES ON ON RESERVE PROPERTY OR PRESERVE PROPERTY, THEY DIDN'T CARE. THEY WANTED TO PUT IT ON THERE.

WHAT WOULD THAT HAVE DONE TO THE QUALITY OF LIFE? I DON'T WANT YOU TO FORGET ABOUT THE QUALITY OF LIFE OR HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE RUN INTO THE GROUND.

OKAY. YOU GOT YOU GOT APARTMENTS GOING UP ALL OVER THE PLACE.

ANYTIME YOU GO INTO PUBLIX, IT'S PACKED HEALTH CARE, SCHOOLS AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT GOES ON WITH IT.

DON'T FORGET, IN MY OPINION, OKAY, BASICALLY THE SAME PEOPLE WHO RAN PORT MALABAR RIGHT INTO THE GROUND IS COACHING.

YOU KNOW, THE THE OWNER, IN MY OPINION.

LET'S JUST LET THIS RUN RIGHT INTO THE GROUND THAT PEOPLE WILL GET TIRED OF IT.

OKAY. THE CITY WILL GET TIRED OF IT.

THE CITY IS GOING TO WANT TO DEVELOP IT.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL BE ABLE TO STICK HOUSES ON THAT.

OKAY. YOU HAVE 40% LEFT TO BUILD IN PALM BAY AND PALM BAY 40%.

THE IMPACT FEES ARE GOING TO BE THERE.

THIS IS GOING TO BE A LONG HAUL.

KEEP THE FAITH WITH THE RED SHIRTS BECAUSE GENTLEMEN AND LADY, WE ARE NOT GOING AWAY.

OKAY? THIS IS IMPORTANT TO YOU AS MUCH AS IT IS TO US.

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THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER, MR. VICTOR FERVOR.

VICTOR FAVERO.

MY NAME IS VICTOR CHARVET.

I LIVE AT 3901 NORTHEAST DIXIE HIGHWAY, AND I'D LIKE TO GIVE UP A SECOND TO SAY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DOES A GREAT JOB.

I'M GLAD THAT THEY'RE HAPPY WITH WHAT THEY'RE GETTING FROM THE COUNTY OR THE CITY.

I TALKED TO THESE OFFICERS ALL THE TIME IN THE STREETS, WHEREVER.

THEY'RE VERY GOOD, THEY'RE VERY EFFICIENT.

THEY DO A GREAT JOB.

AND EVERYBODY THAT WORKS FOR YOU DOES A GREAT JOB.

I TALK TO THEM ALL THE TIME ABOUT DIFFERENT ISSUES.

SO WITH THAT, IF ALL I NEED FROM YOU TODAY IS TO ON THIS VARIANCE FOR THE.

CASTAWAY COVE POINT, WHERE THEY WANT TO BUILD A SENIOR CENTER AND A HOTEL.

SIR. WELL, THAT ITEM IS NOT BEFORE US.

OKAY? THIS IS JUST FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.

ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF AGENDA ITEMS. SO IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF THAT, YOU CAN FILL OUT A CARD TO SPEAK ABOUT.

THOUGHT I PUT IT ON THE CARD. I THOUGHT IT WAS OKAY, I'M NOT A PROFESSIONAL.

THAT ITEM IS NOT ON THERE YET.

OKAY. BUT GO AHEAD, VICTOR.

ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THE AGENDA ITEM? ALL RIGHT. SO I GET THREE MORE MINUTES.

NO. OKAY. VERY GOOD POINT.

I'M JUST TEASING WITH YOU. OKAY? I KNOW, I KNOW. BUT ANYWAY, WHAT I HAVE HERE, CAN I TALK ABOUT THE POLLS, THEN? THE TELEPHONE POLLS. ALL RIGHT.

I HAVE HERE I WANT TO GIVE IT TO THE YOUNG LADY.

I MADE PICTURES OF IT AND NOTHING LIKE THAT GOLF COURSE.

I MEAN, THIS IS PURE YOU KNOW, I GOT SKID MARKS.

I GOT PEOPLE OUT OF CONTROL DRIVING.

I GOT TELEPHONE POLES THAT ARE I CAN'T I CALL THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE AND TALK TO THOSE PEOPLE.

THEY GAVE ME THREE DIFFERENT AGENCIES TO CALL IN.

EACH ONE OF THEM TOLD ME THEY CAN'T HANDLE THIS PROBLEM AND YOU CANNOT GET ON THE PHONE AND TALK TO SOMEBODY AS A CITIZEN BECAUSE THEY OVERGROWTH ON THESE LINES FROM TREE BRANCHES AND SO FORTH.

YOU CAN'T. AND IN ONE DEPARTMENT, THEY TOLD ME, FILL OUT AN APPLICATION AND SEND IT TO US AND WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN REVIEW IT.

THAT'S NOT THE WAY TO RUN A STATE OR A CITY.

THESE POLLS WILL FALL.

THESE LINES WILL GO DOWN.

AND THE REASON WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME IS COMMUNICATION FOR THE ELDERLY AND FOR OURSELVES.

SO DO I GIVE THIS, SIR, I PUT IT DOWN FOR ALL OF YOU TO SEE IT.

YOU CAN PASS IT ON TO US.

SO ANYWAY, THAT'S REALLY ALL.

WAIT TILL YOU GET. COME ON.

THAT'S IT. THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY TO YOU PEOPLE IS THAT I NEED HELP.

I CAN'T GET NO HELP DURING THE FPL.

BUT NO, NOT FPL.

THEY'RE GREAT. THEY SERVICED US RIGHT AWAY.

IT'S THE AT&T PEOPLE.

AT&T. THEY WILL NOT.

YOU CAN'T GET A DIRECT NUMBER.

AND YOUR STAFF AT PUBLIC WORKS AND ALL NICEST PEOPLE.

NEVER FELT A SHUNT THAT DIDN'T WANT TO HELP.

BUT THEY'RE LIMITED TO.

IT'S RIDICULOUS FOR US.

WE'RE GROWING AND IT'S RIDICULOUS THAT CITIZENS HAVE TO COME AND BOTHER YOU FOR THIS.

THERE SHOULD BE BASIC INFORMATION FOR US.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. DEPUTY MAYOR, IS THAT THE LAST SPEAKER FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS? YES, MAYOR. OKAY.

SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE MOVING UP.

[NEW BUSINESS (Part 1 of 2)]

AND I'M GOING TO PRESENT THIS ITEM.

GENTLEMEN, AS YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD WE STAFF HAS HAD THREE MEETINGS.

MOST OF YOU WERE PRESENT AT THE VERY FIRST MEETING WITH PINEAPPLE COVE IN OUR LAIKMAA RESIDENCE IN AS MUCH AS AND I HAVE TO GO ON RECORD AS SAYING THIS, THE CURRICULUM THAT AND I SAID THIS PUBLICLY AT OUR MEETINGS, THE CURRICULUM THAT PINEAPPLE COVE ACADEMY PROVIDES OUR CHILDREN AND OUR FAMILIES IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY IS IMPECCABLE.

NEVER HAVE I SEEN.

A KINDERGARTEN CLASS.

RECITE THE FACES OF THOSE THAT ARE ON MT.

RUSHMORE. AND I KNOW WHO THEY ARE, BUT A LOT OF FOLKS DON'T KNOW THE FACES OF THOSE THAT ARE ON MT.

RUSHMORE. IF YOU ASK A CHILD FROM PINEAPPLE COVE CLASSICAL ACADEMY, THEY WILL RECITE YOU.

AND IT'S BASED ON THAT TYPE OF HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE.

SO THEY DO AN IMPECCABLE JOB AND THEY ARE EXPANDING BECAUSE OF THAT.

AND THEIR THEIR CRITERIA IS OVERWHELMING.

THEY HAVE A WAITING LIST OF OF STUDENTS BECAUSE EVERY PARENT WANTS THEIR CHILD TO SUCCEED THROUGH EDUCATION.

AND I COMMEND PINEAPPLE COVE FOR THAT.

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THE LOK MA RESIDENTS ARE A BIT FRUSTRATED OVER THE PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN CREATED BY THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE DROPPING OFF THEIR CHILDREN.

THEY'RE USING THEY ARE PUBLIC ROADS, BUT THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD ROLLS AND THEY LACK SIDEWALKS.

AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, LOK MA DOES NOT HAVE SIDEWALKS.

MOST OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY DON'T HAVE SIDEWALKS.

SO WE'VE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS.

WE'VE HAD OUR CITY ENGINEER, FRANK WATANABE, WON AN OUTSTANDING HARD DEDICATING INDIVIDUAL.

HE'S BEEN EVERY STAFF MEMBER.

OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS HAVE DONE AN IMPECCABLE JOB.

MADAM SHERMAN HAS BEEN THERE TAKING THE BRUNT OF THESE QUESTIONS AND ATTACKS.

AND AND YOUR MAYOR HAS AS WELL.

AND I'VE KEPT THE PEACE.

AND, GENTLEMEN, I BRING THIS BEFORE YOU BECAUSE THE SCHOOL YEAR AND THE SCHOOL YEAR IS ABOUT TO START IN ABOUT A MONTH.

WE'RE STARTING A NEW SCHOOL YEAR.

AND I WOULD HATE FOR US NOT TO TAKE EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO RECTIFY THE SITUATION AND WHETHER WE HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS TODAY.

BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT I BELIEVE THE THE ADMINISTRATION OF PINEAPPLE COVE, THEY'RE HERE.

THEY'RE WILLING TO DISCUSS THINGS AND AND IMPLEMENT A NEW DIALOG.

AND THEN THERE MAY BE SOME OTHER THINGS WE MAY BE ABLE TO ASK.

SO WITH THAT, MADAM SHERMAN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WOULD WANT OUR CITY ENGINEER TO MAKE A BRIEF PRESENTATION AT THIS TIME TO KIND OF LIKE OVERVIEW WHERE WE'RE AT.

YES, SIR, I'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.

FRANK WATANABE, OUR CITY ENGINEER.

I'LL ASK HIM JUST TO COME UP.

WE WE DID RECEIVE SOME ADDITIONAL, AS YOU SAW IN THE AGENDA MEMO, WE RECEIVED SOME ADDITIONAL IMPLEMENTATION OF IMPROVEMENTS IN THE TRAFFIC FLOW BY THE SCHOOL THAT I'LL ASK FRANK TO TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT.

YEAH. GOOD EVENING. FRANK WATANABE, THE CITY ENGINEER.

AS MARY SPOKE, WE'VE HAD THREE PUBLIC MEETINGS AND EACH ONE WE TRY TO PROGRESS HOPEFULLY TOWARDS A SOLUTION.

THE ISSUE, AS YOU TALKED ABOUT, IS A CAR LOOP THAT WAS DEVELOPED BY THE SCHOOL THAT USES THE LOCAL STREETS AROUND LARCHMONT, WHICH IS HEARST, PENITA AND NESBIT.

AND BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE SCHOOL IS SET UP RIGHT NOW, THE LOOP QUEUES UP CARS.

AND THAT WAS THE ISSUE FROM THE RESIDENTS, THE QUEUING, THE PARKING, AND THEN AGAIN HAVING THE TRAFFIC ON THEIR LOCAL STREETS.

JUST MAKE SURE YOU'RE AWARE WE HAVE A LOT OF SCHOOLS THAT HAVE THE SAME CONDITIONS TO AROUND ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS.

SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH.

THE SCHOOL HAS WORKED PROGRESSIVELY WITH US.

THEY INITIATED BY STARTING TO EXPAND THE INTERNAL CAPTURE OF THEIR OF THE OF THE TRAFFIC BY STACKING THEM MORE INSIDE THE CAMPUS.

SO THAT HELPED OUT THE LAST GO AROUND.

BEFORE THE THIRD MEETING, I WENT OUT THERE AND I'VE BEEN OUT THERE NUMEROUS TIMES AND ORIGINALLY WE HAD LIKE 270 CARS QUEUED UP ON ON NESBIT.

THEY WENT ALMOST ALL THE WAY AROUND PENITA THE LAST TIME AROUND WITH THE SCHOOL'S HELP.

AND I'VE SEEN ACTUALLY THE PRINCIPAL OUT THERE DOING A GREAT JOB USING NEWER TECHNIQUES.

AND YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE WALKIE TALKIES AND THEY MAKE SURE THE CARS ARE CHECKED IN AHEAD OF TIME AS THEY SEE THE LITTLE PLATES OF THE STUDENTS.

THAT HELPS TREMENDOUSLY TO THE POINT WHERE THERE WAS NO TRAFFIC QUEUED UP ON THE AM.

IT WAS ONLY IN THE PM.

AND THE LAST TIME I WENT OUT THERE, THERE WAS A SHORT, BRIEF PERIOD.

THERE WAS ABOUT 60 CARS THAT QUEUED UP ONTO NESBIT, BUT FOR A VERY SHORT PERIOD THE REST OF IT MOVED ON QUICKLY.

AND THIS IS BASED ON THEIR CURRENT OPERATIONS, WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, AND I BELIEVE THEY'RE GOING TO BE COMING UP AND SPEAKING IS TO FOLLOW UP WAS IN THE ORIGINAL TRAFFIC STUDY. THE PROBLEM WE HAD HERE WAS THE ORIGINAL TRAFFIC STUDY IDENTIFIED CERTAIN IMPROVEMENTS THAT THE SCHOOL KNOW THE BUILDER AND THE ENGINEER AND THE SCHOOL WERE TWO DIFFERENT. THERE WAS SOME COMMUNICATION BREAKDOWNS AND SO THE SCHOOL DIDN'T HAVE ALL THE INFO NEEDED.

AND SO THEY DID THE BEST THEY CAN WITH WHAT THEY HAVE, BUT WITH THE NEW UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY NEEDED TO MEET THAT ORIGINAL TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WAS APPROVED, THEY'RE GOING TO EXPAND EVEN FURTHER THE INTERNAL CAPTURE IN TERMS OF THE PARKING.

SO TRY TO MAXIMIZE AS MANY CARS AS THEY CAN AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THAT.

THEY'RE GOING TO DO THE STAGGERING.

THE TRAFFIC STUDY ORIGINALLY STATED A 30 MINUTE STAGGERING.

THEY'RE GOING TO DO THAT. AND I BELIEVE THAT STAGGERING WILL BE HUGE BECAUSE IN THAT WAY YOU SHIFT, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY THE 270 CARS DIVIDE IT BY TWO, SO THEN YOU'LL SPLIT IT UP.

SO I'M ASSUMING THERE SHOULDN'T BE AS MANY TRAFFIC ON THIS.

BUT BUT THIS IS A VERY FLUID PROCESS.

AND THEN THE LAST ITEM I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL TRAFFIC STUDY.

AND I WAS HAD TO GO BACK INTO IT.

THEY DID RECOMMEND ALL THE TRAFFIC COMING OFF OF AMAZON ONTO NESBITT AND INTO THE SCHOOL.

THE ONLY CONCERN WE HAD WAS THEY DEVELOPED IN THAT TRAFFIC STUDY WAS A RIGHT TURN LANE, BUT IT WAS A VERY SHORT RIGHT TURN.

LANE THERE'S ONLY ABOUT A 75FT LONG POCKET.

AND IF EVERYTHING WORKS OUT RIGHT, NO BACKUPS AND THEY COULD ALL QUEUE INSIDE THE CAMPUS.

IT SHOULD WORK, HOWEVER, BECAUSE IT WAS SIGNED AND SEALED BY THEIR TRAFFIC ENGINEER AND THEIR SITE ENGINEER, I HAVE REAL CONCERNS BECAUSE I SEE THE 60 CARS CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW ON ON NESBIT 60 CARS.

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IT COULD IT COULD HOLD MAYBE LESS THAN 30 CARS.

SO YOU MAY HAVE SOME CARS IN, YOU KNOW, MAY QUEUING ON EMERSON.

AND THAT'S FOR US IS A REAL CONCERN.

YOU KNOW EMERSON IS POSTED 40MPH DURING THE SCHOOL IS 20.

HOW MANY DID YOU DID YOU SAY 40 CARS ON EMERSON IT WOULD BE IT WOULD BE ABOUT AGAIN, IT'D BE HARD TO DETERMINE BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO ADD 66 MORE STUDENTS.

BUT IF WORST CASE COMES OUT, IT'S A 60 CARS THAT I SAW STILL CAME ONTO, YOU KNOW.

NESBITT THEN ONTO EMERSON.

YOU'RE RIGHT. ABOUT 30 CARS WILL BE LEFT PARKED ON EMERSON.

IN ADDITION TO THE ADDITIONAL CARS FROM THE 66 NEW STUDENTS.

BUT AGAIN, THIS IS BASED ON JUST ROUGH ESTIMATES.

OKAY. USING. OKAY.

SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS, THOUGH.

60 CARS, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU JUST TOUCHED ON SOMETHING.

UM, DO YOU THINK A RIGHT TURN LANE OF 250FT CAN ACCOMMODATE THOSE 60 CARS? YES, I RAN THE NUMBERS LOOKING AT THE WORST CASE CONDITION, ASSUMING THE WORST CASE CONDITIONS, 250 FOOT OF STORAGE WOULD HELP CARRY THAT CAPACITY, INCLUDING THE TAPER. THERE'S LIKE ANOTHER I THINK IT WAS 130 FOOT TAPER, BUT THE ACTUAL STORAGE IS 250FT.

OKAY. I APPRECIATE THAT.

ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? OKAY. SO PERHAPS CAN WE I'D LIKE MAYBE JOHN OR THE PRINCIPAL TO STEP FORWARD AND AND AT LEAST DISCUSS WHAT REMEDIES THEY HAVE COME UP WITH. FRANK, I DON'T NEED YOU TO GO THAT FAR AWAY.

I NEED YOU RIGHT HERE.

SO IF JOHN AND MISS PARRISH.

THANK YOU. BY THE WAY, THANK YOU FOR COMING.

I KNOW THAT THIS IS SHORT NOTICE, BUT I.

AS I MENTIONED WHEN I INTRODUCED THIS ITEM, MA'AM, IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR US TO TRY AND AND WORK TOGETHER BEFORE THE SCHOOL YEAR.

AND WE ONLY HAVE PERHAPS ONE ADDITIONAL MEETING BEFORE THEN.

SO ANYWAY, THANK YOU FOR, FOR COMING AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR DILIGENCE AND TRYING TO GET A RESOLVE WITH OUR RESIDENTS.

CARRY ON. MISS PARRISH. YEAH.

SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME AGAIN.

SO FROM OUR LAST OUR THIRD MEETING, I WENT RIGHT BACK TO MY DESK AND STARTED TO REPLAN AGAIN, HEARING THE VOICES OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND REALLY WANTING THAT TRAFFIC OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE WANT TO REALLY GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE LOVE BEING PART OF LOCHMERE.

WE LOVE THAT THE SURROUNDING CHILDREN FROM THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ARE PART OF OUR SCHOOL AND THE SURROUNDING AREA.

SO WITH THAT SAID, AND LIKE FRANK SAID, I WENT BACK AND TRIED TO MAKE SOME PLANS WHERE WE'RE TAKING ALL OF THE CAR LOOP OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD USING PROBABLY MINTON GOING UP, EMERSON HEADING SOUTHBOUND, BUT COMING FROM THE NORTH IS STARTING OUR CAR LOOP AND GOING ON TO NESBIT.

WE ALSO LOOKED AT OUR CAR LOOP AGAIN AND RECONFIGURED OUR CAR LOOP WHERE WE TOOK WHERE WE NORMALLY LOAD CHILDREN INTO THE CARS WE ACTUALLY ARE NOW.

WE'VE MOVED ALL OF THAT DOWN TO THE FRONT OF OUR SCHOOL, SO THAT ALLOWED AN ADDITIONAL PROBABLY 30 CARS.

JOHN YEAH.

TO JOHN'S. I HAVE MY ASSISTANT PRINCIPAL ABOUT 30 TO 40 EXTRA CARS.

SO NOW WE CAN ACTUALLY LOAD IN ABOUT 119 CARS IF IT LIKE AS A LOADING PORTION OR HOW DO YOU CALL THAT LIKE I FORGOT, I FORGOT THE WORD.

BUT WHEN THEY'RE SITTING THERE WAITING FOR WHEN WE START ARRIVAL OR DISMISSAL.

STAGING. STAGING.

THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU.

AND LONG DAY AT AQUATICA, IF YOU CAN TELL WITH MY FACE HERE.

SO THE STAGING PROCESS.

SO WE HAVE NOW ABOUT 119 CARS THAT FROM THIS NEW PLAN.

ALSO IT KEEPS THE CARS IN THAT NEW DIRECTION AREA.

NOW, AGAIN, WE HAVEN'T TESTED THIS AT ALL.

SO WE ARE THINKING THAT WE COULD HAVE CARS ON EMERSON.

BUT WITH THAT THOUGHT, WE ALSO DECIDED TO OPEN UP OUR CAR LOOP AT 7 A.M., WHICH IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

BUT WE ARE GOING TO HIRE ADDITIONAL STAFF WITH OUR BEFORE CARE AND THIS WILL BE FREE OF CHARGE WITH OUR OUR FAMILIES.

SO WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW THEM TO COME INTO SCHOOL STARTING AT SEVEN AND WE WILL LOAD KIDS INTO OUR GYMNASIUM AT THAT TIME.

AND THAT WILL AGAIN, THIS IS UP TO FAMILIES IF THEY WANT TO USE IT, BECAUSE IT'S IT'S A IT'S AN HOUR BEFORE SCHOOL STARTS.

BUT HOPEFULLY THAT WILL ALSO ALLOW THE ADDITIONAL CARS TO HAVE MORE FLOW AND KEEP THAT FLOW GOING THROUGH OUR CAR LOOP AND MAYBE THINKING ABOUT THOSE EXTRA 30 CARS THAT MIGHT BE ON EMERSON ARE THOSE THAT ARE ARRIVING.

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SO THAT IS WHAT WE'RE THINKING OF AT THIS TIME.

THAT AND WE'RE GOING TO BE ADDING MORE KIDS TO OUR CAR, INTO INTO PRESCHOOLS.

SAY THAT AGAIN. WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO BRING MORE KIDS INTO THE PRESCHOOLS AND IT WILL BUST THEM OVER.

YEAH. SO HE'S ALSO WE'RE ENCOURAGING OUR FAMILIES TO SIGN UP FOR THE BEFORE CARE AT OUR PRESCHOOL AREAS.

SO IF THEY GO THERE, THEN THEY CAN BE BUSED IN AT THE DAYCARE TIME AND BROUGHT TO SCHOOL AT SCHOOL TIME, WHICH IS ABOUT TEN OF EIGHT. SO BY THE DAYCARE VANS, I HAVE TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR INGENUITY AND TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE THE OVERFLOW. RIGHT. BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO GROW.

AND I KNOW YOU HAVE A WAITING LIST AND I KNOW OF WHAT YOU GUYS PRODUCE FOR OUR FAMILIES.

UM, THEY'RE ON OUR AGENDA ITEM.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE ABLE TO LOOK AT THIS AND I'M GOING TO ASK COUNCIL IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS.

BUT ON OUR AGENDA ITEM, IT SPEAKS OF THE CITY GIVING YOU THE RIGHT OF WAY SO THAT WE CAN INCREASE THAT LANE, A RIGHT TURN LANE FROM EMERSON AND IT CAN IT CAN ACCOMMODATE 60 VEHICLES.

SO MISS PARIS AND JOHN, I LOOK AT YOU TO SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO TO DO.

THERE IS A HEFTY PRICE TAG ON THERE.

AND AND SO I WANTED TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON THAT.

IT'S EXPENSIVE. YES, SIR.

IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE.

OKAY, LET'S TRY THIS FIRST.

AND. AND HOPEFULLY THIS.

THIS THIS PROBLEM.

WE'RE HOPING THAT THIS PLAN WILL WORK LIKE WE CAN STACK THOSE KIDS INTO THE GYMNASIUM.

SHOULD TAKE CARE OF THE STAGGERED TIME IS GOING TO ALSO HELP THAT TOO BECAUSE WE WE'VE SPLIT OUR SCHOOL FROM K TO FIVE ARRIVING FROM AT SET WELL NOW SEVEN TO THE 8:00 MARK AND THEN OUR 6 TO 8 CHILDREN WILL BE ARRIVING AT FROM EIGHT AND STARTING SCHOOL AT 830.

SO WHAT WE'RE WE'RE HOPING OCCURS JUST SO THAT I UNDERSTAND THIS CONCEPT IN MY MIND IS NOT ONLY THE STAGING IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO OPEN UP EARLIER SO THAT PEOPLE SHOULDN'T BE ON LINE.

PART OF THE ISSUE IS WHEN THEY'RE ONLINE AND THEY CAN'T DROP OFF THEIR CHILDREN.

SO THEY'RE WAITING THERE.

BASED ON LAST SCHOOL YEAR, HOW MANY FOLKS DO YOU THINK WOULD HAVE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THAT BEING ONLINE? I WOULD THINK THEY COULD DROP THEIR KIDS OFF EARLY AND GET TO WORK EARLIER, TOO.

YEAH, THAT'S I THINK THAT'S THAT'S HOW THEY'RE GOING TO THAT'S THE HOPE.

YEAH, I WOULD HOPE SO. YEAH.

MY MY CONCERN IS THE ROADS ON EMERSON THE ROAD OF EMERSON AND CREATING A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE ON THAT CORRIDOR. AS I MENTIONED AT THE LAST MEETING, I SAID I HAVE TO HAVE A HUGE OVERVIEW BECAUSE I CAN'T JEOPARDIZE THE LIVES OF OTHER CITIZENS.

RIGHT? SO THAT, THAT THAT'S AN AREA OF CONCERN.

AND AGAIN, WE'RE STATING THIS IS OUR ROUTE.

YEAH. GET CLOSER TO THE MIC.

I'M SORRY, WE'RE STATING THAT THIS IS OUR ROUTE.

BUT OBVIOUSLY FAMILIES THAT ARE COMING FROM THE SOUTH END, LIKE I LIVE IN BAYSIDE LAKES ON THE GOLF COURSE AS WELL, BUT THOSE FAMILIES COMING THERE, I'M ASSUMING THEY'RE GOING TO USE EMERSON AND MAKE A LOOP SOMEWHERE AND COME BACK UP AND GET IN THE LOOP.

BUT WE CAN'T WE CAN'T CONTROL THAT.

SO THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOU COMING AND SHARING.

COUNSELOR. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, I'M WITH IT AS LET'S TRY IT FIRST AND THEN IF NOT, THEN STAFF AND YOURSELF.

MAYOR, YOU ALL CAN SIT. SIT DOWN WITH MR. WATANABE AND SEE WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO TO MOVE FORWARD.

SO. BUT I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THIS FORTH BEFORE THE SCHOOL YEAR, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN HOW IT'S BEEN PREVIOUSLY.

THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD ADD IS NOTHING AGAINST THE PARENTS, BUT WE'VE GOTTEN THE EMAILS JUST GOING INTO THE SCHOOL YEAR, ENCOURAGE THEM TO BE PATIENT AND BE KIND WITH THE NEIGHBORS BECAUSE WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH ON THINGS BEING SAID BACK AND FORTH.

I'M TELLING THE NEIGHBORS THE SAME THING BE PATIENT WITH THE PARENTS.

PARENTS BE PATIENT WITH THE NEIGHBORS BECAUSE WE'RE ALL TOGETHER.

SO AND HOPEFULLY WITH THIS NEW ROUTE AND HOPEFULLY THE FLOW OF IT, IT WON'T IMPACT THEM AS MUCH BECAUSE IT IS OFF THEIR STREETS MORE AND MORE ON EMERSON AND JUST THE FRONT OF NESBIT.

SO WE'RE WE'RE HOPEFUL IT'S GOING TO GO VERY WELL.

THANK YOU. SO YOU'RE GOOD.

AND WE WANT TO THANK FRANK, TOO, BECAUSE HE'S BEEN AWESOME AND SUSAN HAS BEEN AWESOME.

AND EVERYBODY'S BEEN COMMUNICATING REALLY WELL WITH US THROUGH THE SUMMER.

SO AND I DID SHARE A POWERPOINT, A SLIDE DECK OF OUR PLANS WITH EVERYTHING IN IT AS WELL.

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DEPUTY MAYOR, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TAKING YOUR TIME.

WE DISCUSSED THE MORNING.

WHAT ABOUT THE EVENING? HOW WOULD THAT WORK? THE EXACT SAME FORMULA OR THE STAGGERING WILL TAKE PLACE.

IT STAGGERED AGAIN, STAGGERED DISMISSAL AGAIN, OPENING IT UP FAIRLY EARLY TO GET THE 119 CARS INTO AND THEN HAVING OUR LOADING DOCK AS I WANT.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT TO CALL IT.

OUR LOADING DOCK LOADING AREA OR LOADING DOCK WITH OUR CONES UP FRONT OF THE SCHOOL SO IT CAN BE QUICKLY.

YOU KNOW, WE DO REALLY WELL WITH OUR DISMISSAL AND AND GET THEM BACK HEADING SOUTH ON EMERSON SO WHICH THAT'S THEIR NORMAL ROUTE TO TURN RIGHT ONTO EMERSON AND OUT THAT WAY SO SO COUNCILMAN FOSTER ARE YOU ON THE LINE.

SO DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, SIR? NO. NO, NOT AT THIS TIME.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. MR. WATANABE, CAN YOU COME BACK? YES. MAYOR SO YOU'VE HEARD WHAT WAS DISCUSSED.

THE IDEA OF THE EARLY DROPPING OFF THE CHILDREN AND SUCH.

DO YOU FEEL THAT THAT WOULD SUFFICE? I THINK THE EARLY WHAT DO THEY DO TO START THE PROCESS EARLIER WOULD HELP.

THE MORNING DROP OFF IS NOT THE ISSUE.

THEY MOVE PRETTY RAPIDLY.

AND SO WE'VE HAD A FEW INSTANCES WITH SOME QUEUING, BUT NOT IN THE LAST.

SO IN THE MORNING WASN'T THE ISSUE.

IT'S THE AFTERNOON WHERE THE IT TAKES A LOT LONGER TO PICK UP JOHNNY INTO THE CAR.

WHAT I'M SAYING SO THAT PART TAKES A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN TRYING TO DUMP JOHNNY OFF AND HIT DOWN THE ROAD.

SO THE PORTION WE DIDN'T SEE TOO MANY QUEUING AND PROBLEMS. IT'S ONLY IN THE AFTERNOON.

SO WHAT? WHAT IS THAT WHY YOU CAME UP WITH THIS RESOLUTION OF THE EXTENDED RIGHT TURN? LANE WELL, THAT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL TRAFFIC STUDY, THE ACTUAL ORIGINAL TRAFFIC STUDY.

DID IT HAVE A ACTUALLY THE RIGHT TURN POCKET WAS ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT LONGER.

THEIR TRAFFIC ENGINEER AND THEIR ENGINEER RECORD DECIDED BASED ON REDUCTIONS OF THE SCHOOL SPEEDS TO REDUCE THE POCKET.

SO IT'S WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS 75FT.

I FEEL THAT THAT 75FT MAY NOT WORK WITH THE CONDITIONS I SEE ALREADY BECAUSE I'VE SEEN THE 60 CARS, EVEN WITH WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE BEST THEY COULD DO BECAUSE I'VE SEEN 60 CARS STILL QUEUED UP ON NESBITT FOR A SHORT PERIOD.

I WOULD HATE TO SEE THAT ON EMERSON BECAUSE IF IT HAPPENS ON EMERSON, YOU KNOW THE SITUATION WELL, AND THAT'S MY CONCERN.

AND THAT CAME UP AT THE LAST MEETING AND AT THE LAST MEETING.

GENTLEMEN, I JUST WANT TO RECAP WITH EVERYTHING.

A LOT OF THE OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, OUR RESIDENTS ARE FRUSTRATED.

SO THAT FRUSTRATION AT ONE POINT DURING THIS MEETING, GENTLEMEN, WAS REALLY ELEVATED.

IS THAT SAFE TO SAY? AND I'M LOOKING AT FRANK CORRECT? 100%. AND AND I WANT TO LOOK AT MADAM SHERMAN, BECAUSE SHE WAS ALSO PRESENT THAT THERE WAS A HIGHER LEVEL OF.

AND SO MY CONCERN AND I VOICED THIS CONCERN WAS THE SAME AS FRANK IS MENTIONING, THERE'S A HUGE PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE HERE.

THIS HAS COME BEFORE US.

WE HAVE ATTENDED THESE MEETINGS.

AND I, I KNOW THAT THE TEAM IS WORKING REALLY HARD AND PINEAPPLE COVE CLASSICAL ACADEMY IS DOING AN OUTSTANDING JOB.

MY QUESTION IS REGARDING THAT LANE THAT WOULD ALLEVIATE THAT RIGHT TURN LANE FROM EMERSON ONTO, YOU KNOW, TO PINEAPPLE COVE, RIGHT.

THAT THAT HAS A $240,000 PRICE TAG THAT'S ESTIMATED.

IS THAT THE HIGH END OR THAT'S OUR ESTIMATE, CORRECT? YEAH, THAT'S OUR HIGH END ESTIMATE.

SO MORE LIKELY THE THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT COSTS WILL PROBABLY BE LESS BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN USUALLY THE HIGHEST ONES OUR OUR ENGINEERS ESTIMATE.

SO AS PART OF THAT, IF IF THAT WERE TO MATERIALIZE.

RIGHT. AS AN EXAMPLE, HOW SOON CAN THAT OCCUR? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY DO BEFORE THE THE SCHOOL YEAR, MA'AM? THANK YOU. NO, NOT REALLY BECAUSE OF THE BIDDING PROCESS.

AND WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, ADVERTISE IT, BID IT, GET A CONTRACTOR.

IT'LL TAKE AT LEAST 3 TO 4 MONTHS TO DO A RAPID, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GET A CONTRACTOR BECAUSE THERE'S A SMALL PROJECT.

AND THE PROBLEM IS ALSO THIS IS A SMALL PROJECT.

THE PRICES MAY NOT BE AS FAVORABLE AS WE WITH THE BOND PROGRAM BECAUSE WE'RE DOING LOTS OF ROADS.

SO THE COST OF ASPHALT IS A LOT CHEAPER AND AFFORDABLE FOR US WHEN WE DO A LOT MORE STREETS, WHEN YOU JUST HAVE THAT ONE RIGHT TURN LANE, YOU KNOW, THE COST IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE A LOT HIGHER, A LOT HIGHER THAN THE 240.

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WELL. WELL, GENTLEMEN, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND.

I LIKE TO SAY THAT HERE AND NOW.

AND I'D LIKE TO SEE IF WE COULD GET THAT CONSENSUS, IF WE COULD INCLUDE THAT IN OUR ROAD BOND PROJECT IN THE CIP FUND, A SEPARATE FUND LIKE WE DID WITH GLEN COVE. BUT IT'S PART OF THE SAME CONTRACT TO KEEP THE COST DOWN.

ONE LARGER CONTRACT.

YEAH, WE DID THE SAME THING IN NORTHWEST PALM BAY WITH THE TRAFFIC LIGHT TRAFFIC LANES.

GLEN COVE. YES. CORRECT. YES, WE DID.

ON GLEN COVE. YEP. SO THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION.

GENTLEMEN, IF WE COULD GO DOWN THAT PATH, IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WORKING ON SAVING MONEY AND PROVIDING A PUBLIC SAFETY AVENUE.

BECAUSE THE WORST THING I WOULD WANT TO OCCUR IS THAT WE HAVE AN INJURED PERSON DURING THIS THIS OPPORTUNITY THAT WE KEEP WORKING OUT.

SO IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO TO LOOK AT THAT.

AND AND I MADAM SHERMAN, I FEEL THAT RIGHT HERE ON THIS DAIS, I'VE GOT A CONSENSUS WITH COUNCILMAN JOHNSON AND THE DEPUTY MAYOR.

I'D LIKE TO GET COUNCILMAN FOSTER'S FEEDBACK.

I KNOW IT'S HARD TO DO WITHOUT A VISUAL, BUT COUNCILMAN FOSTER, ARE YOU TRACKING US ON THIS, THIS DISCUSSION? YES, SIR. YES, SIR.

I'VE LISTENED TO EVERY WORD.

ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING TO COUNCIL ATTORNEY LANE? YES, SIR. WHEN WE DO THE THE LARGER ROAD PROJECT, WHICH WE'RE ABOUT TO ENTER THE LOCHMOR ROAD BOND PROJECT, IT WOULD BE A SEPARATE FUND.

HOWEVER, IT WOULD IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD CONSIDER.

ARE YOU GOOD WITH THAT? UH HUH. YOU KNOW, CAN WE LEGALLY DO THAT? THAT'S MY QUESTION.

THAT'S MY CONCERN. YEAH, WE CAN ASK MISS.

MISS. I KNOW THAT WE DID IT BEFORE FOR THE TURN LANES ON GLEN COVE AND EMERSON ON NORTHWEST.

BUT ARE YOU SAYING THAT WE WOULD THAT THE PAYMENT ACTUALLY OF THIS TURN LANE WOULD NOT COME OUT OF ROAD BOUND? CORRECT. BUT IT WOULD JUST BE BID OUT AT THE SAME TIME AS FAR AS CONTRACTING? YES, MA'AM, THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.

YES, SIR.

THE CITY ATTORNEY AGREED.

ARE YOU GOOD, SIR? COME ON.

OF. IT WILL COME OUT.

WHAT FUN.

IMPACT FEES. IMPACT FEE FUNDS.

OH, IF IT'S COMING OUT OF IMPACT FEE FUND, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

SO WE HAVE CONSENSUS.

THANK YOU. THE ENGINEER OF RECORD, JAKE WEISS, JUST APPROACHED ME.

HE WOULD LIKE TO ADD SOMETHING, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

ABSOLUTELY. JAKE.

JAKE, THANK YOU FOR STEPPING FORWARD.

YOU HAVE A BIGGER RESOLUTION FOR THIS? I DO. I THINK I DO.

AND I DIDN'T REALIZE THE EXTENT OF THE CONCERN UNTIL HEARING IT TONIGHT.

I JUST HAPPENED TO BE HERE FOR OTHER AGENDA ITEMS. BUT I WAS THE ORIGINAL ENGINEER OF RECORD FOR THE PROJECT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF NESBIT.

OR BECAUSE IT'S AT AN ANGLE, IT'S KIND OF NORTHWEST.

THERE'S A LARGE PARKING LOT THAT WAS EXISTING BEFORE THE PROJECT.

IT'S BEEN IMPROVED SINCE THE PROJECT.

WE COULD STACK CARS THROUGH THAT, LOOP IT AROUND, GET A PERMIT FOR A SINGLE DRIVEWAY THAT LINES UP WITH THE OTHER DRIVEWAY THAT GOES ON TO THE REST OF THE MAIN CAMPUS AND PROBABLY GET ALL OF THE CARS OFF OF NESBIT COMPLETELY.

HOW WOULD WE AUTHORIZE THIS? PUT THOSE CARS IN THAT PARKING LOT.

I GUESS THAT'S A QUESTION FOR JOHN.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING REMEMBER THAT WAS DISCUSSED BY MR. GREG CROFT.

HE TALKED ABOUT QUEUING THE CARS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE.

AGAIN, THERE'S A AGAIN, THERE'S A COST TO ADD THAT ADDITIONAL PAVEMENT THAT WILL REQUIRE A PERMIT BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE ADDING MORE IMPERVIOUS AREA.

MY ONLY CONCERN WAS THEN TO MAKE THAT NEW CROSSING THERE WHERE IT CROSSES INTO THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY.

NOW YOU'RE ADDING ANOTHER CONFLICT POINT AND YOU'RE ADDING A WHAT, SIR? ANOTHER CONFLICT POINT BECAUSE ALL YOU HAVE ALL THOSE CARS NOW THAT QUEUED UP AROUND THE PARKING LOT HAS TO CROSS NESBIT AT THAT NEW INTERSECTION, BASICALLY.

SO NOW YOU'RE ADDING ANOTHER CONFLICT POINT, WHICH THERE ISN'T ONE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE YOU'RE TURNING RIGHT OR THEY'RE TURNING LEFT RIGHT NOW.

THIS IS BECOMING STRAIGHT ACROSS.

OKAY. SO I CAN RESOLVE THAT TO YOU.

OKAY. OKAY.

BUT AGAIN, THE BOTTOM LINE IS THERE'S THAT COST TO INSTALL THAT LOOP.

I GUARANTEE THE COST WILL BE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE RIGHT TURN.

LANE SAY AGAIN? IT'LL BE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE BECAUSE THE AREA HE'S TALKING ABOUT IS LARGER THAN THE 250FT.

OKAY. COPY THAT, MR. WEISS. YES.

SO RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE A CONFLICT BECAUSE YOU HAVE CARS LINING UP ON NESBITT, MAKING A LEFT HAND TURN.

SO IF YOU MAKE IT A ONE WAY DRIVEWAY INGRESS, THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY PUT IN A NEW DRIVEWAY THAT LINES UP WITH THE OTHER ONE ON THE MAIN CAMPUS, MAKE THAT A ONE WAY OUT.

YOU'VE ELIMINATED THE CONFLICT COMPLETELY AND IT'S ALREADY PAVED OUT THERE, SO IT'D BE A LOT LESS EXPENSIVE.

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I KNOW A COUPLE OF GUYS IN PUBLIC WORKS WOULD PROBABLY HELP US DO A PERMIT QUICKLY FOR THE DRIVEWAY AND WE COULD PROBABLY GET IT RESOLVED.

WELL, MADAM SHERMAN, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS? I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. YOU'VE TALKED TO THE OWNERS OF THE SCHOOL, RIGHT? JOHN, LET ME COME UP. I'LL PUT TOGETHER A SKETCH AND JOHN, JOHN'S GOT A THUMB.

THUMBS UP ON THIS? YEAH, NO, ABSOLUTELY.

WE'LL WORK THROUGH THAT WITH YOU ALL.

OKAY, WELL, LET'S WORK THROUGH THAT.

THANK YOU. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE EFFORT.

BUT EITHER WAY, WE STILL WANT THAT THAT EXTRA LANE.

RIGHT TURN. LANE.

WHETHER WHEN WHENEVER WE DO THAT FOURTH.

YOU KNOW, THE FORTH ROAD BOND SO WE COULD LOOK AT THAT, SEE HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST.

ALL RIGHT. OF COURSE IT'D COME BACK TO US, BUT WE SHOULD ALWAYS EXPLORE THAT.

BUT I GOT A THUMBS UP, SO I DON'T NEED A MOTION ON THIS ITEM.

GREAT DISCUSSION.

THANK YOU. LET'S LET FRANK.

MADAM SHERMAN, I'D LIKE TO COMMUNICATE WITH OUR LARCHMONT RESIDENTS, EXPLAIN TO THEM WHAT EXACTLY HAPPENED THIS EVENING.

AND WE'RE MOVING FORWARD.

MAY GOD BLESS YOU THIS SCHOOL YEAR.

THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU'RE DOING, SIR.

SO WITH THAT, NOW WE ARE ON ITEM NEW BUSINESS NUMBER ONE.

AND I'M GOING TO DEFER TO MADAM SMITH ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 2353, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, GRANTING AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AD VALOREM EXEMPTION TO L3 HARRIS TECHNOLOGIES, INC.

TO BE LOCATED AT 2400 PALM BAY ROAD, NORTHEAST UNIT 31 PALM BAY, FLORIDA 32905, SPECIFYING THE ITEMS EXEMPTED, PROVIDING THE EXPIRATION DATE OF THE EXEMPTION, PROVIDING THAT BUSINESS MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION ONE 96.19 95, SUBSECTION EIGHT FLORIDA STATUTES, PROVIDING FOR AN ANNUAL REPORT BY L3 HARRIS TECHNOLOGIES, INC., PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT, HEREWITH PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU, MADAM SMITH.

MADAM SHERMAN. THANK YOU, MAYOR, FOR THIS ITEM.

I'M GOING TO ASK NANCY BUNT, OUR COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, TO INTRODUCE IT.

WELCOME, NANCY.

GOOD EVENING. NANCY BUNC COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR.

AS MENTIONED, THIS IS THE AD VALOREM TAX ABATEMENT APPLICATION FOR L3 HARRIS.

THEY'RE CURRENTLY LOCATED AT 2400 PALM BAY ROAD.

THEY HAVE INVESTED AT THEIR CAMPUS NOW $54,468,000, AND THEY'VE CREATED 2628 HIGH PAYING JOBS.

THEIR CURRENT AD EXPIRES IN 2025, SO THEY'VE APPLIED UNDER PROJECT LEO, WHICH IS LOW EARTH ORBIT SATELLITE PAYLOADS.

THEY PLAN TO CREATE 101 JOBS OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS WITH AN AVERAGE WAGE OF $104,805.

SO THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT.

AS THE AD VALOREM TAX ABATEMENT GUIDELINES UNDER FLORIDA STATUTE 196.1995.

IT IS A PERFORMANCE BASED PROGRAM AND IT IS ALSO A BUT FOR.

SO THEY ARE LOOKING AT OTHER LOCATIONS IN MELBOURNE AND IN TEXAS AND VARIOUS OTHER STATES.

THEY COULD PUT THIS FACILITY IN ANY OF THEIR OTHER LOCATIONS AS WELL.

SO WE DEFINITELY WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THEM HERE AT THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

THEY DO HAVE TO CREATE THE JOBS.

THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE AVERAGE WAGE, WHICH IS ABOVE THE STATE'S ANNUAL WAGE.

THEY NEED TO HAVE THE CAPITAL INVESTMENT.

AND SO AS YOU SEE, I PUT UP A SCREENSHOT OF WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING ON DOING.

THE CAPITAL INVESTMENT IS $71,290 MILLION.

THAT INCLUDES PERSONAL EQUIPMENT, WHICH IS 11,790.

SO THEIR ESTIMATED TAX ABATEMENT WOULD BE $541,768.36.

SO I ALSO WANTED TO COMPARE THEIR CURRENTLY THEY'RE PLANNING ON BUILDING ON THEIR PARKING LOT WITHIN THAT FACILITY.

AND SO IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO FIND PARKING LOTS.

BUT I FOUND TWO 2170 PORT MALABAR ROAD AND 2561 TRANSOM CIRCLE, WHICH ARE GENERATING ABOUT 1700 AND $791 IN CITY AD VALOREM TAXES.

SO WITH THIS FACILITY, WE WOULD BE CREATING $541,768 IN AD VALOREM TAXES OVER THE TEN YEAR PERIOD WHICH THEY WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE TOTAL TAX REVENUE.

ESTIMATED TAX REVENUE WOULD BE ABOUT $5.4 MILLION.

SO ALTHOUGH THERE WOULD BE AN ABATEMENT OF THE 4.6 MILLION, WE'D STILL BE GENERATING APPROXIMATELY 812,000.

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THERE IS ALSO THE ROAD BOND MAINTENANCE, WHICH THEY WOULD NOW BE PAYING, AS WELL AS THE HIGH PAYING JOBS.

SO AND JASON LAMBERT, THE VICE PRESIDENT OF L3, HARRIS, IS ALSO HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

WELL, IT'D BE GREAT.

I DO HAVE A QUESTION, BUT IT'D BE GREAT TO HEAR FROM JASON SINCE HE'S HE'S HE'S WITH US TODAY.

UM, I DO SO IN REALITY, RIGHT.

RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT RECEIVING ANY TAXES ON THAT PROPERTY ANYWAY.

AND SO IN THE LONG RUN, NOT ONLY ARE WE CREATING JOBS, WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE RECEIVING WE'RE GIVEN THE TAX ABATEMENT, BUT WE'RE CREATING JOBS.

THOSE HIGH TECH JOBS THAT WE PRETTY MUCH PROMISED OUR RESIDENTS.

HERE IS WHY I'M GUNG HO ABOUT THIS PROJECT.

BUT SO THAT'S MY QUESTION.

IS THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THE TAXES THAT WE WILL GAIN REGARDLESS OF THE PARKING LOT? ABSOLUTELY. BECAUSE NOW YOU HAVE THE CAPITAL INVESTMENT AND THE PERSONAL EQUIPMENT INVESTMENT, AND THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO INCREASE THE TAXES.

SO AND AS YOU RECALL, I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY TO YOU THAT 70% OF OUR RESIDENTS COMMUTE OUT.

AND SO NOW WE'RE PROVIDING THESE JOBS SO THAT RESIDENTS CAN STAY HERE, THEY CAN GO TO LUNCH, THEY CAN HAVE THEIR DIFFERENT DENTAL SERVICES, MEDICAL SERVICES ALL HERE AND LIVE HERE AS WELL.

SO THANK YOU.

SO I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM OH, SIR, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR MISS NANCY? BUT WE CAN. I CAN WAIT.

YEAH, WELL, I WANTED I WANTED TO HONOR OUR OUR VICE PRESIDENT HERE FROM THE TRI STATE AREA.

THANK YOU, NANCY. AND AND THANKS MAYOR MEDINA, DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX, COUNCILMAN, JOHNSON AND COUNCIL MEMBER FOSTER.

GOOD EVENING. I'M JASON LAMBERT, VICE PRESIDENT OF OPERATIONS FOR SPACE AND AIRBORNE SYSTEMS, WHICH IS ONE OF THE THREE BUSINESS SEGMENTS AT L3.

HARRIS L3.

HARRIS IS THE LARGEST DEFENSE COMPANY IN FLORIDA AND THE STATE'S EIGHT LARGEST BUSINESS.

FLORIDA IS HOME TO A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF L3.

HARRIS OPERATIONS IS THE CENTER OF THE COMPANY'S RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES AND HAS BEEN HEADQUARTERED IN BREVARD COUNTY SINCE 1978.

L3 HARRIS EMPLOYS OVER 8400 EMPLOYEES IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, WITH OVER 7200 OF THOSE EMPLOYEES IN BREVARD COUNTY AND OVER 4300 IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

OUR EMPLOYEES ARE PROUD TO CALL BREVARD COUNTY HOME, AND WE THANK THE CITY OF PALM BAY FOR THE FANTASTIC COLLABORATION AND PARTNERSHIP OVER THE PAST DECADES.

L3 HARRIS AND OUR EMPLOYEES ARE ALSO COMMITTED TO THE COMMUNITY AND HAVE MADE OVER $9 MILLION IN DONATIONS TO BREVARD COUNTY CHARITIES SINCE 2019.

IT'S AN EXCITING TIME AT L3.

HARRIS WE'RE GROWING IN TWO WAYS, BOTH INORGANICALLY THROUGH ACQUISITIONS AND ORGANICALLY THROUGH EXPANSION OF OUR EXISTING BUSINESS FRANCHISES.

FIRST, I'LL DISCUSS OUR INORGANIC GROWTH ASSOCIATED WITH OUR RECENT ACQUISITION ACTIVITY.

IN JANUARY OF 2023 L3, HARRIS COMPLETED THE $2 BILLION ACQUISITION OF VIASAT'S LINK 16 ASSETS AND LINK 16 IS A SECURE, JAM RESISTANT AND HIGH SPEED LINE USED BY NATO TO COMMUNICATE ACROSS DOMAINS.

I THINK SPACE LAND AIR IN DECEMBER OF 2022 L3 ANNOUNCED INTENT TO ACQUIRE AEROJET ROCKETDYNE IN AN ALL CASH TRANSACTION VALUED AT $4.7 BILLION.

AEROJET ROCKETDYNE IS A PROVEN PROVIDER OF WORLD CLASS ROCKET PROPULSION SYSTEMS AND ENERGETICS TO THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE, NASA AND OTHER PARTNERS AND ALLIES WORLDWIDE.

THE ACQUISITION WILL BE FUNDED WITH A COMBINATION OF L3 CACHE AND THE ISSUANCE OF NEW DEBT.

THE DEAL IS EXPECTED TO CLOSE IN 2023, SUBJECT TO REQUIRED REGULATORY APPROVALS AND CLEARANCES AND OTHER CUSTOMARY CLOSING CONDITIONS.

NEXT, I'LL DISCUSS OUR ORGANIC GROWTH AND HOW L3 HARRIS WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO PARTNER WITH THE CITY OF PALM BAY ON THESE TWO EXCITING PROJECTS.

AND IT'S IMPORTANT ABOUT THE INORGANIC PIECE.

FIRST, WITH THESE ACQUISITIONS HAVE PUT A, I'LL SAY A BIG PURCHASES THAT THE COMPANIES MAKE BOTH IN TERMS OF USING OUR INTERNAL FINANCES, OUR CASH OF COURSE, AND ALSO TAKING OUT LOANS, WHICH IS WHY THIS IS A SOMEWHAT UNIQUE SITUATION.

BUT THIS IS THE NEXT PART OF OUR GROWTH.

SO L3, HARRIS SPACE SYSTEMS IS OUR FASTEST GROWING BUSINESS PROJECT.

LEO LEO STANDS FOR LOW EARTH ORBIT AND LEO THE LION, WHICH REPRESENTS THE FIERCE PROTECTOR OF OUR NATIONAL DEFENSE.

THINK OF THE CONSTELLATION UP IN THE SKY.

THE FACILITY WILL BE USED TO PRODUCE SATELLITE CONSTELLATIONS FOCUSED ON NATIONAL DEFENSE INTERESTS FOR MULTIPLE US GOVERNMENT AGENCIES, INCLUDING THE SPACE DEVELOPMENT AGENCY, AIR FORCE AND OTHER CLASSIFIED CUSTOMERS.

THIS FACTORY, WHICH WE WOULD IDEALLY LIKE TO BUILD ON OUR PALM BAY CAMPUS, HAS GROWN FROM AN INVESTMENT OF $60 MILLION, WHICH I DISCUSSED IN MY PRIOR TIME HERE, IS NOW IN EXCESS OF $70 MILLION DUE TO THE INCREASED SPECIFICATIONS REQUIRED, AN ADDITIONAL COST WITH FINANCING.

ET CETERA WILL TAKE US UP TO $85 MILLION OF CAPITAL EXPENSE AND WILL BRING APPROXIMATELY 100 NEW JOBS WITH AN AVERAGE SALARY OF OVER $100,000 PER POSITION.

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THIS NEW INTEL AND CYBER FACTORY WILL BE A STATE OF THE ART FACILITY SUPPORTING UNIQUE ADVANCED MANUFACTURING TECHNOLOGIES, ALLOWING OPPORTUNITIES FOR MARKET EXPANSION INTO OTHER ADVANCED MISSION APPLICATIONS.

THIS FACTORY, WHICH WOULD IDEALLY LIKE TO BUILD ON OUR PALM BAY CAMPUS, HAS GROWN FROM AN INVESTMENT OF $75 MILLION, WHICH WE'VE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY TO NOW APPROXIMATELY $120 MILLION AND WILL BRING IN ADDITIONAL APPROXIMATE 100 NEW JOBS WITH AVERAGE SALARIES OF OVER $100,000.

SO WHY ARE WE HERE? WHAT'S OUR STRATEGY AND WHAT IS L3? HARRIS'S REQUEST FROM THE CITY? AS I MENTIONED, L3, HARRIS HAS INVESTED IN ACQUIRING NEW COMPANIES AS PART OF OUR GROWTH STRATEGY, AND THOSE ACQUISITIONS REQUIRED A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF CASH AND DEBT FINANCING.

BUT FOR PROJECT LEO AND FOR PROJECT SAM T, WE NEED TO MAKE THE ECONOMICS OF OUR BUSINESS CASE WORK.

AND TO DO THAT, THERE'S REALLY TWO KEY ENABLERS THAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

FIRST IS THROUGH THIRD PARTY FINANCING AND SECOND IS THROUGH PROPERTY TAX ABATEMENTS, WHICH WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS THIS EVENING.

SO REGARDING THE FINANCING, BACK IN APRIL OF 2023, THE CITY OF PALM BAY APPROVED THE REZONING OF OUR EXISTING CAMPUS INTO THREE LOTS, ESSENTIALLY TAKING ALL OF THE PLOTS WE HAVE AND CARVING OUT TO TWO SPACES OF UNDEVELOPED LOT PARKING LOT OR JUST VACANT LOT WHICH HAD NO BUILDINGS ON THEM SO WE COULD USE FOR THESE PROJECTS.

AND ON BEHALF OF L3 HARRIS, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS DECISION WHICH ENABLED US TO PROCEED WITH OUR INVESTORS WHO WILL FINANCE THE CONSTRUCTION OF OUR TWO NEW FACILITIES.

THIS IS BEING DONE OPPOSED TO HAVING L3 HARRIS PAY CASH OR FUNDING THROUGH ADDITIONAL DEBT.

OUR INVESTORS WILL CONSTRUCT THE NEW FACTORIES AND L3.

HARRIS WILL MAKE LEASE PAYMENTS TO OUR INVESTORS FOR BUILDING ON THESE SITES OVER TIME.

THE SECOND PORTION IS THE PROPERTY TAX ABATEMENTS.

NOW BACK IN 2022 L3, HARRIS PAID $887,000 IN REAL AND PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX TO THE CITY OF PALM BAY UNDER EXISTING TAX BASE.

AND NANCY WALKED THROUGH OUR OUR TAXES ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT.

NOW, THESE TWO FACILITIES, AGAIN, ARE BEING BUILT ON VACANT LOT AREAS WITHIN OUR CAMPUS THAT DON'T GENERATE ANY BUSINESS FOR US, DON'T EMPLOY ANY PEOPLE THERE AGAIN, VACANT PARCELS AND AS SUCH, EACH PROJECT WILL INCREASE OUR TAXABLE BASE WITH THE CITY, WITH THE ABATEMENT SCHEDULE PROVIDED THESE PROJECTS WILL DELIVER CLOSE TO $2 MILLION IN ADDITIONAL TAX REVENUE FOR THE CITY OF PALM BAY OVER THE FIRST TEN YEARS, WHILE ALSO PROVIDING A PARTIAL RELIEF REQUIRED TO SUPPORT OUR BUSINESS CASE.

NOW L3 HARRIS VALUES THE RELATIONSHIP WE HAVE WITH THE COMMUNITY HERE IN PALM BAY.

WE'D LIKE TO PROCEED WITH THE PROJECTS AT THIS LOCATION OPPOSED TO PURSUING ONE OF OUR ALTERNATE OPTIONS OUTSIDE OF FLORIDA, IN ADDITION TO THE 200 PLUS NEW HIGH-PAYING JOBS AND COMBINED FACILITY INVESTMENT IN EXCESS OF $200 MILLION, THE INDIRECT BENEFITS ARE ALSO SIGNIFICANT TO THE ECONOMIC HEALTH OF THE COMMUNITY, AND THE SMALL BUSINESSES ARE SIGNIFICANT AS WELL, FROM RESTAURANTS TO BUILDING SUBCONTRACTORS AND ALL THAT BENEFIT FROM HAVING AN INCREASED L3 HARRIS PRESENCE WITH HIGH PAYING JOBS HERE IN PALM BAY.

SO WITH THAT, ON BEHALF OF THE MANY L3 STAKEHOLDERS, OUR EMPLOYEES, OUR CUSTOMERS, OUR SUPPLIERS, OUR OWNERS AND OUR COMMUNITY HERE IN PALM BAY, WE THANK THE COUNCIL FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IN THESE PROPERTY TAX ABATEMENTS, WHICH ARE A CRITICAL ELEMENT TO MAKING OUR BUSINESS CASE CLOSE.

THANK YOU. WE'RE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.

WELL, THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR CHOOSING PALM BAY COUNCILMAN.

JOHNSON. DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE VICE PRESIDENT OR FOR NANCY? OKAY. OKAY.

DEPUTY MAYOR, JUST LIKE TO WELCOME YOU.

I'M EXCITED. THANK YOU, SIR.

AND COUNCILMAN FOSTER.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, I HAVE NO. I JUST WANT TO THANK HIM FOR ALL THE WORK YOU HAVE IS DOING IN DUVAL COUNTY AND PALM BAY.

THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR.

REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU. NANCY, I BELIEVE WE HAVE A QUESTION AND THEN WE'LL WE'LL GO TO THE SPEAKER CARDS.

DEPUTY MAYOR. HEY, NANCY, HOW ARE YOU DOING? HI. GOOD EVENING. GOOD.

I HAVE TO BE THAT GUY.

I'M SORRY. UM, BUT TAX ABATEMENT PROGRAM.

I LOVE COUNCIL LOVES, AND I KNOW WE HAVE IT WHERE THEY CAN GO UP TO TEN YEARS.

BUT MY MY QUESTION IS WHAT? WHAT WAS YOUR IDEOLOGY OR FORMULA TO USE ALL TEN YEARS? BECAUSE THIS CAN BE USED FOR ANY NEW BUSINESS, ANY EXPANDING BUSINESS, SO WE CAN HAVE EVERYBODY COME BEFORE US ASKING FOR FIVE, TEN YEARS.

SO I'M JUST TRYING TO WHILE WHILE I WANT TO GIVE THE TAX ABATEMENT, I JUST DON'T WANT TO GIVE THE WHOLE KITCHEN SINK IF YOU'RE UNDERSTANDING.

SO I'M LOOKING. I WAS LOOKING MORE SO.

OVER THE COURSE OF 3 TO 5 YEARS, SEVEN YEARS MAX.

BUT IF YOU CAN JUST KIND OF TALK TO ME THROUGH.

CERTAINLY. LET ME GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW AND JUST TO REMIND COUNCIL THAT IT WAS BACK IN 2021 WHERE WE ACTUALLY CHANGED THE ABT PROGRAM.

THE L3 HARRIS IS CURRENT, ABT IS TEN YEARS, 100%.

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SO THE CITY IS RECEIVING THOSE TAXES.

BUT IT'S AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, IT WAS GOVERNOR TO FLORIDA STATUTE.

SO IT'S ONLY TARGETED INDUSTRIES, SPECIFIC INDUSTRIES LIKE MANUFACTURING, HIGH TECH.

THEY MUST EITHER FOR NEW THEY MUST CREATE AT LEAST TEN JOBS EXPANSION, 25 JOBS, AND THEY HAVE TO BE ABOVE THE FLORIDA'S AVERAGE WAGE.

SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT POSITIONS THAT ARE GOING TO AVERAGE 104, $110,000.

AND SO THEY ACTUALLY ARE ABOVE THE TEN YEARS THEY SCORED THE MAXIMUM ON EVERYTHING.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE THE CAPITAL INVESTMENT, THEIR CURRENT CAPITAL INVESTMENT IS $103 MILLION FOR SAM T AND THEN FOR PROJECT LEO, IT'S 712 I'M SORRY, $71 MILLION OF CAPITAL INVESTMENT TOGETHER, 202 JOBS AT AN AVERAGE WAGE OF BETWEEN 104 AND 110.

SO THEY MEET THE THEY ARE WELL ABOVE THE TEN YEARS.

WE DO PROVIDE SOME FLEXIBILITY FOR SOME COMPANIES LIKE LET'S JUST SAY THEIR CAPITAL INVESTMENT IS HIGH, BUT THEIR AVERAGE WAGE IS A LITTLE LOW.

WE WE MAKE THOSE KIND OF ADJUSTMENTS, BUT THEY ARE ON THE MAXIMUM OF EVERYTHING.

SO AND LIKE I MENTIONED, THE CITY IS STILL GOING TO BE GETTING AD VALOREM TAX ABATEMENT OVER THIS TEN YEARS.

AND THEN BEYOND THAT, WE GET 100%.

I DID WANT TO MENTION TO YOU THAT ALTHOUGH I DID SAY THEY HAD A $54 MILLION INVESTMENT IN THEIR CURRENT LOCATION, IT IS ASSESSED AT 99 MILLION. SO THEY'RE PAYING TAXES OFF OF A $99 MILLION EVEN THOUGH THEY INVESTED THE 54.

AND SO THAT'S MONEY THAT'S BEING GENERATED TO THE CITY.

THEIR TOTAL TAXES IS 1.068 MILLION FOR THE CURRENT YEAR.

OF THAT, THE CITY OF PALM BAY'S THEIR TAXES IS ABOUT 755,000.

AND THEN THEY ALSO HAVE THE ROAD BOND MAINTENANCE, WHICH IS 108,719.

SO THE SERVICES ARE LOW AS FAR AS I MEAN, THINK ABOUT HOW MANY HOUSES YOU WOULD HAVE TO BUILD SUBDIVISIONS AND HOW MANY TIMES THEY GET CALLED OUT WITH POLICE AND FIRE VERSUS A STATE OF THE ART FACILITY THAT'S GOING TO HAVE THEIR OWN PRIVATE LIFT STATION.

THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE THEIR OWN FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEM.

THE AMOUNT OF TIMES THAT THEY WOULD BE CALLED OUT AND NEED THOSE SERVICES WOULD BE VERY LOW.

PLUS THE WATER USAGE AS WELL WOULD HELP OUR FACILITIES.

SO I THINK IT'S A WIN WIN FOR ALL OF US.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS? DEPUTY MAYOR? ALL RIGHT.

SO SPEAKER CARDS.

THANK YOU, NANCY. SO BATON.

BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST.

NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. WHAT AN ASSET THEY ARE TO THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

I STILL HAVE TO FOCUS IN ON THE PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT THAT SOME INDIVIDUAL GETS THAT ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL DOES NOT GET.

THAT'S WHAT I TRY TO FOCUS IN ON.

AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS.

IT'S. 100% PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT.

I DO SEE THE BENEFITS OF IT, BUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT.

IT'S THE PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT THAT'S NEGATIVE IMPACT FOR ONE PERSON.

THAT'S A POSITIVE IMPACT FOR ANOTHER.

I COULD.

I COULD BE DETRIMENTAL IN MY STATEMENTS, BUT I LIKE WHAT THEY'RE DOING, BUT I ALSO WANT THEM TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE TREATMENTS THEY'RE GETTING IS A SPECIAL TREATMENT. EVEN THOUGH IT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE.

IT'S JUST BECAUSE IT'S AVAILABLE DOES NOT MEAN YOU'RE NOT GETTING SPECIAL TREATMENT.

AND I DO NOT LIKE PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

NEXT SPEAKER. HE WAS THE ONLY ONE.

THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU.

SO DID YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT, MR. VICE PRESIDENT? YOU DON'T JUST.

JUST SAYING. DID YOU WANT TO? I'LL JUST SAY, LOOK, WHEN OUR COMPANY MAKES DECISIONS AND WE LOOK AT DIFFERENT PLACES TO GO BUILD, WE REALIZE THAT IT'S A PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT.

AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT CITIES AND GOVERNMENT MUNICIPALITIES DO.

AND AS PART OF THAT, WE FACTOR THAT INTO OUR BUSINESS DECISIONS.

SO IT'S KNOWN, UNDERSTOOD AND APPRECIATED.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

SO AT THIS TIME, GENTLEMEN, I WANT TO PASS THE GAVEL TO THE DEPUTY MAYOR AND MOTION TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE GRANTING AN AD VALOREM TAX ABATEMENT TO L3 HARRIS TECHNOLOGIES FOR PROJECT LEO AS AN EXPANSION TO AN EXISTING BUSINESS FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2400 PALM BAY ROAD, NORTHEAST BUILDING 31.

I'LL SECOND THAT. SO THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR.

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MYSELF, I CAN TELL YOU THAT I'VE ALWAYS DISCUSSED PROSPERITY WITHIN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

I'VE DISCUSSED THIS DURING THE CAMPAIGN.

I ALWAYS SAID RESTORING THE PUBLIC TRUST.

BUT SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN CRITICAL IN OUR GROWTH, GENTLEMEN, HAS BEEN THE FACT THAT WE WERE A BEDROOM COMMUNITY.

THERE WAS A STIGMA, AND THIS FALLS IN LINE WITH CREATING PROSPERITY, CREATING JOBS.

AND THESE ARE NEW JOBS.

THESE ARE JOBS THAT I TRULY BELIEVE ARE GOING TO GO TO OUR PALM BAY ERS.

AND I TRULY BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO JUST ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN OUR COMMUNITY, NOT ONLY PROJECT LEO, BUT THE NEXT ITEM WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS.

SO THAT'S WHY I MADE THE MOTION.

DEPUTY MAYOR THANK YOU SO MUCH.

MAYOR UM, JUST WANTED TO QUICKLY ADDRESS THE, THE, YOU KNOW, MR. BATON COMMENTS, ALTHOUGH IT MAY SEEM LIKE IT, BUT THIS, THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT IS CREATED WITH THE SPECIFIC SCOPES, WITH CERTAIN SCOPES THAT IF YOU DO THIS WILL DO THIS.

I DON'T SEE HOW IT'S PREFERENTIAL OR THIS IS MORE OF A MERIT BASED TO ME.

THEY GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND.

UM, I MEAN, NUMBER ONE EMPLOYER, YOU KNOW, A CITY, MILLIONS OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT TO ME AND WE'RE STILL BENEFITING.

UM, EVEN DURING THOSE TEN YEARS OF ABATEMENT.

SO TO ME, IT'S TO ME IT'S MERIT BASED.

THIS IS AN EXCELLENT PROGRAM FOR THOSE THAT ARE LISTENING.

ELON MUSK.

MR. BEZOS, WE ARE OPEN.

WE'LL GIVE YOU ALL THE PREFERENCE YOU WANT.

JUST BRING IT. THANK YOU.

COUNCILMAN. COUNCILMAN.

FOSTER. THE COUNCILMAN FOSTER.

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO WEIGH IN? COUNCILMAN. FOSTER. YES, I DO.

I WANT TO THANK L3 HARRIS FOR BRINGING BOTH PROJECTS TO PALM BAY.

WE HAD A COMPETITION, GUYS.

AND THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE THE DIRECTION, LIKE THE MAYOR SAID, ABOUT A BEDROOM COMMUNITY.

THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE THE DIRECTION.

AND OUR JOB IS TO HELP CREATE JOBS AND, ONE, BY SUPPORTING THESE PROJECTS.

SO, YOU KNOW, L3 HARRIS IS NO STRANGER TO PALM BAY.

THEY'RE RIGHT ON PALM BAY ROAD IN PALM BAY.

AND YOU SHOULD TAKE CARE OF THE PEOPLE WHO TAKE CARE OF YOU.

AND THAT'S THE WAY I SEE IT AND I APPRECIATE IT.

SO I'LL BE SUPPORTING THIS.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN. FOSTER.

COUNCILMAN. JOHNSON.

NOTHING. NOTHING MORE TO ADD, MAYOR.

I JUST WANT US LIKE.

YES, WE WANT COMMERCIAL, BUT I STILL WANT US TO EXERCISE DISCRETION.

BUT I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS, UM, AS WELL.

SO WE CAN CALL IT.

ALL RIGHT. I'VE GOT A MOTION BY OR AS YOU WERE.

I GOT THE GAVEL HERE.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE.

ALL OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR.

WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER TWO, MADAM SMITH.

ORDINANCE 20 2354 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, GRANTING THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AVALORAN EXEMPTION TO L3 HARRIS TECHNOLOGIES, INC.

TO BE LOCATED AT 2400 PALM BAY ROAD, NORTHEAST UNIT 32 PALM BAY, FLORIDA 32905, SPECIFYING THE ITEMS EXEMPTED PROVIDING THE EXPIRATION DATE OF THIS OF THE EXEMPTION, FINDING THAT THE BUSINESS MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION ONE 96.19 95, SUBSECTION EIGHT, FLORIDA STATUTES, PROVIDING FOR AN ANNUAL REPORT BY L3 HARRIS TECHNOLOGIES, INC., PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT, HEREWITH PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU, MADAM SMITH.

MADAM SHERMAN.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'LL ASK NANCY TO COME UP AND SPEAK TO THIS ITEM AS WELL.

THANK YOU, NANCY. THANK YOU.

SO AS MENTIONED, THIS IS PROJECT SAM, WHICH IS SECURE ADVANCED MANUFACTURING AND TECHNOLOGY.

THEY ARE PLANNING ON CREATING 100 NEW JOBS WITH AN AVERAGE WAGE OF $110,869.

AND SO I ALSO DID A SHEET AS WELL FOR THEIR THEIR TAX ABATEMENT.

THEY'RE LOOKING AT $787,460.09 PER YEAR IS THE ESTIMATED TAX ABATEMENT.

SO THE ABATEMENT WOULD BE OVER THE TEN YEAR PERIOD, 6 MILLION, 6.693 MILLION, AND THE CITY WOULD STILL RECEIVE 1.1 MILLION.

THE TOTAL TAXES GENERATED WOULD BE ABOUT $7.8 MILLION.

AND I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE IF YOU LEFT IT AS A PARKING LOT, IT WOULD GENERATE ANYWHERE FROM 800, $791 TO

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I DID WANT TO MENTION WHEN WE HAD PROJECT URSA, WHICH IS ROGUE VALLEY.

REMEMBER WHEN SHE WHEN JESSICA GOMES CAME UP AND SPOKE, SHE SAID THAT THE REASON WHY SHE WAS LOOKING AT PALM BAY, FLORIDA WAS BECAUSE OF THE SEMICONDUCTOR CLUSTER.

AND SO JUST LIKE SILICON VALLEY, THEY CLUSTER TOGETHER LOOKING AT RENAISSANCE L3.

HARRIS WE ALSO INTRODUCED HER TO FLORIDA TECH.

AND SO WE'RE HOPING THAT JUST NOT WITH L3.

HARRIS BUT OTHER COMPANIES WILL COME TO SERVE AND WORK WITH L3.

HARRIS SO WE SAW A GREAT SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUE.

AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS WITH OREGON, WHICH SHE WAS AT, WAS SHE COULD NOT GET SUPPLIES.

AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY SHE CHOSE FLORIDA.

SO WE'RE HOPING THAT WE ARE GREAT PARTNERS WITH L3.

HARRIS AND THEY BRING OTHER COMPANIES LIKE MAYBE ROCKETDYNE OR SOMETHING AND BRING IT TO PALM BAY AS WELL.

SO THAT IS INDEED THE HOPE.

MS.. NANCY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

DO YOU DO WE HAVE ANY ANY QUESTIONS FROM NANCY COUNCIL? DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UH COUNCILMAN.

FOSTER DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF NANCY ON? ON, SAM. THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR.

SPEAKER CARD. MR. BATTEN. BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST. I KNOW MOST OF THIS IS CEREMONIAL PROCESS, AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH.

BUT AS A RESIDENT THAT TRIES TO PAY ATTENTION WITHIN THE CITY FOR EVERYTHING, NOT JUST THIS PARTICULAR IDENTITY, I HAVE TO STAY TRUE TO WHO I WANT THE CITY TO THINK AND KNOW THAT I AM.

SO THAT'S WHY I HAVE TO VOICE MY OPINIONS WHEN I SEE A TREATMENT LIKE THIS.

WHAT THEY WHAT L3, HARRIS OR HARRIS CORPORATION IN GENERAL, WHAT THEY PROVIDE TO THE CITY.

THERE IS NO DOUBT WHAT A BENEFIT THEY ARE.

DON'T GET ME WRONG ON THAT.

I JUST HAVE TO ADDRESS THE SITUATION AS I SEE IT.

OTHERWISE I'M NOT BEING TRUE TO MY EFFORTS.

BUT I'VE BEEN DOING, AS YOU ALL KNOW.

FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS NOW ATTENDING THESE MEETINGS AND BEING ACTIVELY INVOLVED.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? OH, MAYOR. WELL, DEPUTY MAYOR, I'M GOING TO PASS THE GAVEL AGAIN AND I'M GOING TO HAVE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE ORDINANCE GRANTING AN AD VALOREM TAX ABATEMENT TO L3 HARRIS TECHNOLOGIES, INC.

FOR PROJECT SAM T AS AN EXPANSION TO AN EXISTING BUSINESS FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2400 PALM BAY ROAD, NORTHEAST PALM BAY BUILDING 32 SECOND.

SO AS I SAID, THIS IS ABOUT PROSPERITY.

THIS IS ABOUT DEPUTY MAYOR, I LOVE WHAT YOU SAID ON PROJECT LEO.

THIS IS INCENTIVE BASED.

THEY'RE GOING TO CREATE THESE JOBS AND GET THESE ABATEMENTS.

THAT'S WHAT'S IMPORTANT.

AND IN CREATING THAT PROSPERITY, I TRULY BELIEVE THAT WE ARE PASSING OVER THIS BEDROOM COMMUNITY STIGMA THAT WE ONCE HAD.

THEN I WANTED TO VALIDATE WHAT COUNCILMAN JOHNSON WITNESSED.

WE'RE JUST NOT DOING THIS AS A AS A PROTOCOL.

I REALLY BELIEVE THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO OUR DILIGENCE WHEN WE SEE THESE PACKAGES AND WE SEE THE JOB PERFORMANCE AND THE MERIT BASE OF IT.

I TRULY BELIEVE THAT TOGETHER THIS IS GOING TO CREATE MORE OF A CLUSTER.

THIS IS GOING TO CREATE OTHER JOBS AROUND L3.

HARRIS THAT IS PART OF THE IDEOLOGY OF CREATING PROSPERITY.

SO THAT'S WHY I MADE THE MOTION AND PASSED THE GAVEL.

I THINK YOU CAN COUNT THE TIMES THAT I'VE EVER PASSED THE GAVEL SINCE I'VE BEEN MAYOR.

CARRY ON DEPUTY MAYOR, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

MAYOR COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? AND SO FOSTER YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? NO, SIR. GENTLEMEN, I'M CALLING THE QUESTIONS.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED.

MOTION CARRIES, MAYOR.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

WELL, CONGRATULATIONS, L3 HARRIS AND WELCOME ABOARD AGAIN.

THANK YOU FOR CREATING JOBS AND PROSPERITY.

NOW WE ARE ON PUBLIC HEARINGS.

[PUBLIC HEARINGS]

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THANK YOU, MA'AM.

I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT THEIR CASE.

HI, GOOD EVENING. KELLY HYVÖNEN WITH LAND DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIES.

I'M JOINED HERE TODAY BY THE PROPERTY OWNER, STEVEN BARBIERI.

WE ARE HERE TO SEEK A VACATE OF A PORTION OF A PUBLIC UTILITY AND DRAINAGE EASEMENT IN THE BACKYARD OF A HOME.

A SINGLE FAMILY HOME FOR THE PURPOSES OF INSTALLING A POOL.

THANK YOU. ANYONE.

ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS? ANY SPEAKER CARDS? NO, NOT ON THIS ITEM.

OKAY. ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? SO MOVED. I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASKING FOR A MOTION.

SECOND. I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

ANY QUESTIONS? ANY COMMENTS? ALL IN FAVOR. SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

WE ARE NOW ON. CONGRATULATIONS.

THANK YOU. WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER 13.

ORDINANCE 2023 DASH 40 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, VACATING AND ABANDONING A PORTION OF THE REAR 20 FOOT PUBLIC UTILITY AND DRAINAGE EASEMENT LOCATED WITHIN LOT 17, BLOCK 2373 PORT MALABAR UNIT 45, ACCORDING TO THE PLAT THEREOF AS RECORDED IN PLAT BOOK 22, PAGE NINE OF THE PUBLIC RECORDS OF BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED HEREIN PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT THEIR CASE.

I'M THE APPLICANT. WAYNE STEVENSON THE LOT 17 2373 UNIT 45 VACATION OF EASEMENT WAS FOR A FIVE INCH ENCROACHMENT INTO THE 20 FOOT PUBLIC UTILITY EASEMENT.

THE POOL AND POOL CAGE WERE PUT IN IN 1989.

PERMIT WAS APPROVED.

EVERYTHING WAS FINE. THEN WE WENT TO A NEW POOL CAGE UP TO FIND THAT THERE WAS A SURVEY.

SO THE FIVE INCH VARIANCE FOR US INTO THE ENCROACHMENT.

I'M PUTTING IN THE VACATION OF EASEMENT REQUEST FOR ONE FOOT.

THAT WAY, IF THE PROPERTY IS EVER SOLD, THEN THE VACATION OF EASEMENT WILL GO WITH THE NEW PROPERTY.

I APPRECIATE CITY STAFF COOPERATION AND ALL THE WORK THEY DID, AND THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE FOR RIGHT NOW.

THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL. THANK YOU, SIR.

ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE. I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING ASKING FOR A MOTION.

SO MOVED. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECOND SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

ANY COMMENTS, GENTLEMEN? ALL IN FAVOR. SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. AYE.

PASSES FOUR ZERO.

CONGRATULATIONS. CONGRATULATIONS.

WE ARE NOW ON PUBLIC HEARINGS.

ITEM NUMBER ONE.

MADAM SMITH.

ORDINANCE 2023 DASH 28 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA.

VACATING AND ABANDONING A PORTION OF THE REAR 20 FOOT PUBLIC UTILITY AND DRAINAGE EASEMENT LOCATED WITHIN LOT FOUR BLOCK 799 PORT MALABAR UNIT 16, ACCORDING TO THE PLOT THEREOF AS RECORDED IN PLAT BOOK 15, PAGE 93 OF THE PUBLIC RECORDS OF BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED HEREIN PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AS THE APPLICANT.

THANK YOU FOR COMING UP.

PRESENT YOUR CASE.

YES SAME AS LAST TIME.

JESSE DETWEILER 1431 PARAGON ROAD SOUTHEAST.

PALM BAY FLORIDA 32909.

I JUST NEED TO VACATE EIGHT FEET OF THE 20 FOOT FOR A POOL.

YES, SIR. ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU.

ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM.

SEEING NONE, I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK HIM FOR A MOTION.

SO MOVED. SECOND, GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

ALL IN FAVOR. SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

FOUR ZERO.

ITEM NUMBER TWO, MISS SMITH.

FOLLOWING ITEMS ARE QUASI JUDICIAL IN NATURE.

PUBLIC HEARINGS.

AGENDA ITEMS. NUMBERS TWO.

THREE. FOUR.

FIVE. SIX.

TEN. 15.

16. 19.

21 AND 23.

ANY PERSON WHO WISHES TO TESTIFY ON SUCH A MATTER MUST SIGN A SPEAKER CARD WHICH CONTAINS A SWORN OATH TO TELL THE TRUTH.

THE INDIVIDUAL ADDRESSING THE COUNCIL MUST STATE HIS OR HER NAME AND CONFIRM THAT A SPEAKER CARD HAS BEEN SIGNED.

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COUNSEL SHOULD DISCLOSE ANY EX-PARTE COMMUNICATION BY DISCLOSING THE SUBJECT MATTER OF THE COMMUNICATION AND THE IDENTITY OF THE PERSON, GROUP OR ENTITY WITH WHOM THE COMMUNICATION TOOK PLACE.

THE ORDER OF THIS PROCEEDING WILL BE AS FOLLOWS.

FIRST, THE APPLICANT WILL MAKE ITS PRESENTATION, FOLLOWED BY STAFF COMMENTS, FOLLOWED BY ANY AGGRIEVED OR ADVERSELY AFFECTED PARTY THAT HAS COMPLIED WITH SECTION 59.03.

EACH WILL HAVE A MAXIMUM OF 30 MINUTES.

ANY SPEAKER MAY BE SUBJECT TO CROSS-EXAMINATION BY THE COUNSEL OR ANY OTHER INTERESTED PARTY.

ANY OTHER PERSON MAY SPEAK FOR A MAXIMUM OF THREE MINUTES.

THE APPLICANT WILL THEN BE ALLOWED CONCLUDING REMARKS FOR A MAXIMUM OF TEN MINUTES.

THE QUASI JUDICIAL BODY MAY MODIFY THE TIME LIMITS ON ITS OWN MOTION OR UPON REQUEST OF A PARTY TO THE PROCEEDING.

THE HEARING THEN WILL BE CLOSED AND NO ADDITIONAL TESTIMONY OR ARGUMENT WILL BE ALLOWED.

COUNSEL WILL THEN DELIBERATE IN PUBLIC AT THE END OF DELIBERATION.

A COUNCIL MEMBER WILL MAKE A MOTION ON THE APPLICATION TO BRING THE MATTER TO A VOTE.

EACH COUNCIL MEMBER IS THEN FREE TO VOTE IN FAVOR OR AGAINST THE MOTION.

ORDINANCE 2023 DASH 29 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY BY CHANGING THE ZONING OF PROPERTY FROM RR RURAL RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT TO S2 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, WHICH PROPERTY IS LOCATED SOUTH OF AND ADJACENT TO CASTANADA STREET IN THE VICINITY EAST OF GREENBRIER AVENUE, AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED HEREIN PROVIDING FOR A CHANGE OF THE ZONING MAP, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT HIS CASE.

YES, MY NAME IS ANTHONY ROSICKY.

I LIVE AT 1251, OLD BAILEY LANE, MELBOURNE, FLORIDA.

I AM WANTING TO HAVE THIS PROPERTY I PURCHASED LAST YEAR REZONE TO SINGLE FAMILY SO I COULD PUT MORE THAN ONE HOUSE ON IT.

THIS IS THE SECOND MEETING, SO.

I DON'T. ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL? ALL RIGHT.

COUNCILMAN FOSTER. ANY QUESTIONS? NO, SIR. ANY SPEAKER CARDS? DEPUTY MAYOR? YES, MAYOR.

OKAY. MR. BILL BATTEN.

YEAH. HAVE A SEAT, SIR.

BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST.

AS MY USUAL, I HATE SEEING THE LOSS OF RURAL RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY WITHIN THE CITY.

PEOPLE HAVE A TENDENCY TO THINK THAT RURAL RESIDENTIAL MEANS CATTLE, PIGS AND SHEEP.

IT JUST MEANS ONE HOUSE PER ACRE.

WE JUST PASSED A TAX ABATEMENT FOR L3.

HARRIS. ALL THESE BRAND NEW EXECUTIVES THAT ARE MAKING $100,000 PLUS, THEY'RE GOING TO WANT ESTATE HOMES TO LIVE IN.

THEY AREN'T GOING TO WANT TO LIVE IN A $100,000 HOME.

THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO STAY AT HOME.

I'M ASKING THE CITY, WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO PUT THESE ESTATE HOMES? ARE WE GOING TO REMAIN THAT BEDROOM COMMUNITY THAT WE ALREADY ARE? THAT BEING SAID, I LIKE THE FACT THAT THIS INDIVIDUAL IS PUTTING TWO HOMES ON HIS PROPERTY.

THAT'S AS CLOSE AS YOU CAN GET TO ONE HOUSE PER ACRE.

I'M TICKLED PINK BY THE FACT THAT THAT THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

IT'S MY TYPE OF LIFESTYLE THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO GO FOR.

I LOVE THAT. HOWEVER, THERE SHOULD BE SOME LAND DESIGNATED TO THE CITY FOR THE ROAD RIGHT OF WAY BECAUSE THE PROPERTY COMES OUT INTO THE STREET. IF YOU LOOKED AT THE PLAN, YOU SHOWED THAT THE PROPERTY LINE ACTUALLY GOES INTO THE STREET ITSELF WAS TO MAKE AN IMPACT.

WHEN WE GET READY TO START PAVING THE ROADS AND IMPROVING THE PROPERTY.

RIGHT. THIS ROAD IS JUST LIKE GAYNOR AND GARVEY BOTH THAT WE DID NOT HAVE RIGHT OF WAY ONTO THE ROADS AND IT CREATED BIG PROBLEMS LATER DOWN.

THE INDIVIDUAL IN THE PAST HAS SAID THAT HE WAS WILLING AND HE UNDERSTANDS THAT SITUATION.

I WOULD JUST HOPE THAT MAYBE WE COULD GET SOME CLARIFICATION ON MEETING THAT COMMITMENT TONIGHT.

AND I HOPE THE CITY IS WILLING TO PAY FOR THAT LAND SO THE INDIVIDUAL DOESN'T HAVE TO SUFFER.

THANK YOU, MR. CHIEF.

MADAM SHERMAN. I'D LIKE TO GET A RESPONSE TO THAT.

UH, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THE APPLICANT FIRST REGARDING HIS WILLINGNESS TO DO THAT? WELL, I WANTED TO GET STAFF, BUT GO AHEAD, SIR.

YES, I ALREADY SAID THAT IN THE FIRST MEETING, THAT I WOULD BE WILLING TO VACATE THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF IT YOU ALL NEED.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'LL AFFECT THE AMOUNT OF PROPERTY I WILL HAVE AS FAR AS TO BUILD ON.

BUT THE ZONING, I GUESS BEING SINGLE FAMILY, IT WOULD BE PROBABLY PLENTY BIG ENOUGH TO PUT THE TWO HOUSES ON IT.

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WE COULD PUT THIS ON THE RECORD.

OKAY. TODAY IT LOOKS LIKE FRANK CAN COME UP AND SPEAK ON IT.

AGAIN. FRANK WATANABE, THE CITY ENGINEER.

GREENBRIER IS THE STREET WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? ROADWAY DEDICATION.

YEAH. ALL THE STREETS HE'S IDENTIFIED ARE BASICALLY COLLECTORS.

LOCAL COLLECTORS. THEY'RE ALL MINOR.

YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE ROADWAY RIGHT AWAY IS WITHIN THOSE.

WE REQUIRE THE MINIMUM 60 TO 80.

I DON'T SEE IN THE FUTURE WIDENING THOSE ROADS.

THAT'S THE ONLY CONCERN WE HAVE.

WE FOR SURE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO WIDEN THE ROAD.

WE WOULD LIKE TO THEN GET THE RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATIONS IN ADVANCE.

BUT I DON'T SEE IN THE NEED TO EVER WIDEN THOSE ROADS BECAUSE THEY DON'T CONNECT.

YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE A COLLECTOR STREET LIKE GOOD EXAMPLE IN THAT AREA WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, LIKE GLEN COVE OR STREETS.

YOU KNOW, FOR SURE THEY CONNECT TO MAJOR ARTERIALS.

SO THOSE ROADS IN THE FUTURE POTENTIALLY COULD BE WIDENED OUT.

BUT THIS STREET DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE.

IT'S A LOCAL STREET.

SO THE REALLY NEED TO TAKE ON ADDITIONAL ROADWAYS, BE MORE OF A BURDEN FOR THEM AND IT'S MORE OF A RIGHT OF WAY MAINTENANCE FOR US.

SO MY ISSUE WOULD BE IS IT'S NOT REALLY NEEDED FROM A CITY STANDPOINT, FROM A TRANSPORTATION STANDPOINT.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

THAT SATISFIES MY CONCERNS.

HE QUESTIONS COUNCIL.

HEY, I NEED A MOTION. SO MOVED.

SECOND. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCIL DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

ALL IN FAVOR.

SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. ALL RIGHT.

PASSES FOUR ZERO.

CONGRATULATIONS, SIR.

I USUALLY DON'T VOTE, YOU KNOW, AGAINST LOSING RURAL RESIDENTIAL, BUT YOU'RE DIVIDING YOUR PROPERTY INTO TWO, AND THAT SATISFIES ME.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR.

WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER THREE.

THANK YOU. ORDINANCE 20 2330.

AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA APPROVING A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO BE KNOWN AS GARDENS AT WATERSTONE.

PHASE THREE IN PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT ZONING, WHICH PROPERTY IS LOCATED SOUTH OF AND ADJACENT TO MELBOURNE.

TILLMAN DRAINAGE DISTRICT CANAL 38, THE VICINITY WEST OF MERALOMA BOULEVARD AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED HEREIN, PROVIDING FOR A COMMENCEMENT PERIOD PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT THEIR CASE.

A CIVIL ENGINEER FOR THE PROJECT, JAKE WISE.

THIS IS THE SECOND READING.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY NEW EVIDENCE.

PREVIOUSLY, STAFF SUPPORTED P AND Z, UNANIMOUSLY SUPPORTED IT.

THIS COUNCIL UNANIMOUSLY SUPPORTED IT.

IT'S A RELATIVELY MINOR CHANGE TO AN ALREADY APPROVED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

SO WITH THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY NEW QUESTIONS OR APPRECIATE A CHANCE TO RESPOND IF THERE'S ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS.

ANY QUESTIONS.

DEPUTY MAYOR. QUESTIONS.

COUNCILMAN. FOSTER. ANY QUESTIONS? NO, SIR. OKAY.

DEPUTY MAYOR. ANY SPEAKER CARDS? NO, SIR. I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK FOR A MOTION.

SO MOVED. SECOND, GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

ANY COMMENTS, GENTLEMEN? ALL IN FAVOR. SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. PASSES.

PASSES. FOUR ZERO.

WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR, MADAM SMITH.

ORDINANCE 20 2331.

AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, APPROVING A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO BE KNOWN AS LIPSCOMB STREET, PUD AND PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT ZONING, WHICH PROPERTY IS LOCATED EAST OF AND ADJACENT TO LIPSCOMB STREET IN THE VICINITY WEST OF MANGO STREET AND SOUTH OF COMMERCE PARK DRIVE, AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED HEREIN PROVIDING FOR A COMMENCEMENT PERIOD PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT THEIR CASE.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS CHRIS OSA.

I'M THE ENGINEER OF RECORD WITH KIMLEY-HORN ON THE PROJECT.

THIS IS THE SECOND HEARING FOR THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE LIPSCOMB STREET PROJECT, AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE COUNCIL OR THE CONSTITUENTS MAY HAVE ON THE PROJECT.

SO ANY QUESTIONS? ANY SPEAKER CARDS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

NO. SPEAKER CARDS.

YES. YES. REAL QUICK, BECAUSE I HAD A CORRESPONDENT EMAIL ME WHO LIVES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SHE SHE WAS CONCERNED WITH LIPSCOMB BEING THE TWO LANE ROAD, VERY HEAVILY TRAVELED.

SHE COULDN'T MAKE IT TONIGHT. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE I ASKED.

SHE WAS SAYING THERE'S ALREADY A TRAFFIC NIGHTMARE ON PALM BAY ROAD AND ANOTHER ON FLORIDA AVENUE, WHICH IT DEPENDS ON THE TIME, BUT.

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SO WE WON'T EXCEED.

CORRECT? YES, SIR.

ACTUALLY, THE AMOUNT OF DENSITY, THE AMOUNT OF UNITS HAS BEEN DECREASED SINCE THE ORIGINAL PDP THAT WAS PRESENTED TO THE BOARD.

WE ACTUALLY CAME BACK AND PRESENTED THE NEW SMALLER OR NOT SMALLER, BUT LESS WITH PLAN, WITH LESS DENSITY THAN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED.

AND WITH THE LESS DENSITY, THERE WAS NO NEED FOR ADDITIONAL STOPLIGHTS OR TRAFFIC LIGHTS, ANYTHING OF THAT.

CORRECT? YEP. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YES, SIR.

ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN.

JOHNSON. GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK FOR A MOTION.

SO MOVED. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE? AYE. MOTION PASSES FOUR ZERO.

WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE ORDINANCE 20 2332 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA APPROVING A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO BE KNOWN AS BAYSIDE LAKES COMMERCIAL CENTER IN PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT ZONING, WHICH PROPERTY IS LOCATED NORTH OF AND ADJACENT TO BAYSIDE LAKES BOULEVARD IN THE VICINITY EAST OF ELDORADO BOULEVARD, AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED HEREIN PROVIDING FOR A COMMENCEMENT PERIOD PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT THEIR CASE.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL KIM ROZANKA LACEY LIONS ROZANKA HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.

THIS IS A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THREE COMMERCIAL SITES.

YOU'LL HAVE A MOD WASH, CAR WASH, A STARBUCKS AND AN AUTO DISCOUNT.

THERE WAS NO COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC LAST TIME.

I HAVE NOTHING MORE TO ADD. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, I'M HERE TO ANSWER THEM.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. DEPUTY MAYOR.

ANY SPEAKER CARDS? NO, SIR. NOT FOR THIS ITEM.

OKAY. SEEING NONE, I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASKING FOR A MOTION.

SO MOVED. SECOND, GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

ANY DISCUSSION, GENTLEMEN? SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR.

SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. ALL RIGHT.

PASSES FOUR ZERO.

ITEM NUMBER SIX ORDINANCE 20, 2333.

AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA APPROVING A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO BE KNOWN AS TIRE SERVICE CENTER PALM BAY IN PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT ZONING, WHICH PROPERTY IS LOCATED NORTH OF AND ADJACENT TO BAYSIDE LAKES BOULEVARD IN THE VICINITY WEST OF ELDEN BOULEVARD, AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED HEREIN PROVIDING FOR A COMMENCEMENT PERIOD PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND THAT'S THE APPLICANT.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL KIM ROZANKA LACEY LYONS ROZANKA HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.

THIS IS FOR A MAVIS TIRES FACILITY.

IT IS JUST IMMEDIATELY TO THE SOUTH AND WEST OF THE PROJECT WE JUST DISCUSSED WILL HAVE COMMON ACCESS.

THERE'S A COMMON TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WAS PROVIDED.

THIS DOES NOT EXCEED ANY TRAFFIC ISSUES.

THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT NOISE.

WE DID SOME PNEUMATIC DRILL NOISES WHEN I WAS HERE LAST TIME.

WE WON'T DO THAT AGAIN.

BUT I DID WANT TO TELL YOU THAT THE CLOSEST HOUSE IS 1100 1100 FEET AWAY FROM THIS SITE ACROSS A BUSY BAYSIDE LAKES.

AND WE DO NOT BELIEVE NOISE WILL BE AN ISSUE.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. ZANCA, GENTLEMEN OF STAFF.

ANY SPEAKER CARDS.

SO I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK FOR A MOTION.

WELL, DID YOU FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD? WELL, NOT NOT ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE, BUT COME ON IN AND FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD.

FILL. OH, YEAH, YOU COULD COME UP AND SPEAK AND THEN WE'LL JUST FILL IT OUT AFTERWARDS.

YEAH. I WAS JUST WONDERING WHY IT SAYS IT'S WEST OF ELDON BOULEVARD.

THIS IS MISLEADING.

NOW WEST OF ELDON BOULEVARD.

IT'S EAST OF WALDRON BOULEVARD.

AND IS CLOSER TO MY HOUSE BECAUSE IT IS.

I COULD SUPPORT IT IF IT WAS WEST OF ELDERON, BUT THAT SHOULD BE REVISED AND THEY SHOULD COME BACK THROUGH AGAIN.

THE ATTORNEY.

WE HAVE TO BRING THIS BACK.

DR. J. HE IS STAFF IN AGREEMENT THAT THE CAPTION IS INCORRECT. DR.

J. STEP UP. OUR MADAM SHERMAN, CAN YOU STEP UP?

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THIS WOULD BE EAST OF ELDON BOULEVARD? YES. SO I BELIEVE THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO RE-ADVERTISE FOR THE CORRECT LOCATION POTENTIALLY, BUT I WOULD DEFER TO THE CITY ATTORNEY ON THAT.

OKAY. SO, MADAM ATTORNEY, I'M TRYING TO PULL UP THE ADVERTISEMENT.

YOU HAVE A COPY OF THAT IN.

ACCESS WAS. YES, WE'RE GOING TO.

WAS TRYING TO FIND IT MAY FIND THE PAGE ADVERTISEMENT SHOW.

LET'S GO. YOU KNOW.

IT'S. THANK.

MUCH NUMBER WHERE YOU SEE IT ON OUR AGENDA.

NUMBER SIX MEMORANDUM.

WAS IT IN GERMAN THAT.

MY. 2333.

DID ADVERTISE. YEAH, IT IS.

THIS SAYS BUT NOT ON THIS THING.

IT SAYS WEST. THE ONLY THING THAT I CAN FIND IS.

SO I HAVE COFFEE BREATH.

OKAY. YEAH.

SO ON ON THE AGENDA, SAYS WEST.

BUT ON THE MEMORANDUM IT SAYS EAST IF IF YOU'RE TRACKING THIS RIGHT.

OH MY. AS YOU WERE AS YOU LOCK AND SAY AGAIN MA'AM.

MY CHAIR IS FROZEN ON ME.

IT LOOKS LIKE THE BLOCK IS LISTED CORRECTLY, I THINK.

I THINK IT'S JUST THE DIRECTIONAL THAT I COULD.

I'M. I'M LOOKING AT THE AD ON ANOTHER PAGE.

THE BLOCK IS CORRECT.

IT SAYS BLOCK 15.1, BAYSIDE LAKES COMMERCIAL CENTER, PHASE TWO, SECTION 20, TOWNSHIP 29, RANGE 37, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 1.08 ACRES LOCATED NORTH AND ADJACENT TO BAYSIDE LAKES BOULEVARD, IN THE VICINITY WEST OF ELDON BOULEVARD.

BUT IT DOES STATE THE CORRECT PARCEL INFORMATION ASIDE FROM THE VICINITY.

SO BASED UPON THAT, I WOULD CONSIDER IT MORE OF A SCRIVENER'S ERROR BECAUSE YOU COULD ACTUALLY PUT IN THE DESCRIPTION AND GET THE CORRECT PARCEL AS FAR AS WHAT IT ACTUALLY IS. THAT IS CORRECT.

SO THERE'S ENOUGH DESCRIPTION, MADAM ATTORNEY, THAT WE CAN PROCEED WITHOUT RE ADVERTISING.

IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING YOU'RE ASKING? CORRECT. BECAUSE WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE ON NOTICE SO YOU CAN THERE'S ENOUGH IN THERE THAT YOU CAN FIND OUT, YOU CAN PUT THAT IN AND YOU CAN KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE ACTUAL PARCEL IS.

THE DIRECTIONAL IS INCORRECT, BUT IT'S A SCRIVENER'S ERROR.

SO TO REEMPHASIZE THAT, WHAT WE COULD DO POTENTIALLY IS YOU COULD GO ON BREVARD COUNTY PROPERTY APPRAISER ENTER THE BLOCK NUMBER, THE PHASE NUMBER, THE SECTION, THE TOWNSHIP AND THE RANGE, AND IT'LL POP UP THIS PARCEL IN QUESTION.

I SEE. OKAY.

SO YOU'RE MADAM ATTORNEY, YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH US MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS ITEM? YES. AND THE DIRECTION WILL BE CHANGED.

COURSE COUNSEL IS GOING TO AMEND THE ACTUAL DIRECTIONAL TO BE EAST OF AND THAT WILL BE CHANGED PRIOR TO YOUR SIGNATURE.

OKAY. SO THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE MOTION, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR. OKAY.

SO LET'S MAKE THAT PART OF THE MOTION SO THAT WE CLEAN THIS UP AND AND LET US, YOU KNOW, PAY ATTENTION TO DETAIL IN THE FUTURE, SIR. ALL RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU.

I WOULDN'T WANT THIS TO HAPPEN AGAIN.

UM. I'M GOING TO.

I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS POINT.

AND ASK FOR A MOTION MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE 2023 DASH 33 FINAL READING WITH THE REVISION OF THE STRIKING VICINITY WEST AND CHANGING IT TO VICINITY EAST.

SECOND, I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

DEPUTY MAYOR. ALL IN FAVOR.

SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. ALL RIGHT. PASSES FOUR ZERO.

WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.

ORDINANCE 20 2334 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TITLE 17.

LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHAPTER 174 FLOODPLAIN AND STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SUBCHAPTER STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND CONSERVATION PART TWO DRAINAGE

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PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT.

HEREWITH PROVIDING FOR INCLUSION IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY CODE OF ORDINANCES PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU, MADAM SMITH.

I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MADAM SHERMAN.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. THIS IS FINAL READING FOR SOME TEXTUAL AMENDMENTS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING THAT WILL IMPROVE THE FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION PLACEMENTS FOR INFILL LOT DEVELOPMENT RELATED TO LOTS THAT HAVE SEWER CITY SEWER AVAILABLE TO THEM.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL.

WELL, THIS TEXTUAL AMENDMENT.

IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? YOU KNOW, I GOT TO GIVE BUTCH HIS HIS DUE CREDIT BECAUSE HE HE ACTUALLY WAS HE WORKED HARD ON THAT.

SO SHOUT OUT TO BUTCH.

THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO OUR ATTENTION.

UM, NO ONE WISHES TO SPEAK.

I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK FOR A MOTION.

SO MOVED SECOND.

THE MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

ALL IN FAVOR. SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. AYE. PASSES FOUR ZERO.

ITEM NUMBER EIGHT ORDINANCE 20 2335.

AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TITLE 17.

LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHAPTER 185 ZONING CODE.

SUBCHAPTER CONDITIONAL USES MODIFYING PROVISIONS RELATED TO SELF STORAGE FACILITIES, PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT.

HEREWITH, PROVIDING FOR INCLUSION IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY CODE OF ORDINANCES PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MADAM SHERMAN.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. THIS IS THE FINAL READING FOR THE MODIFICATIONS WE'RE MAKING TO THE SELF STORAGE FACILITIES.

AT THE REQUEST OF COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY NEW QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL. NO, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, SIR.

SHOUT OUT TO COUNCILMAN JOHNSON ON THIS ONE.

UH, ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASKING FOR A MOTION.

SO MOVED. SECOND, GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

ALL IN FAVOR. SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. ALL RIGHT.

PASSES FOUR ZERO.

WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NINE ORDINANCE 2023 DASH 36 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TITLE 17.

LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHAPTER 183 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REGULATIONS BY CREATING A NEW SUBCHAPTER TO BE TITLED DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT.

HEREWITH PROVIDING FOR INCLUSION IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY CODE OF ORDINANCES PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE.

PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK FOR OR ASK MISS SHERMAN TO GO AHEAD AND PRESENT THIS ITEM.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. JUST BRIEFLY, THIS IS A CREATION OF A NEW ORDINANCE THAT PROVIDES GUIDELINES AND STRUCTURE FOR THE CREATION OF DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS.

FINAL READING. SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF, GENTLEMEN? SEEING NONE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASKING FOR A MOTION.

SO MOVED. SECOND, GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. HI. PASSES FOUR ZERO.

ITEM NUMBER TEN, MADAM SMITH RESOLUTION 2023, DASH 15, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, GRANTING A CONDITIONAL USE TO ALLOW FOR A RETAIL STORE OCCUPYING MORE THAN 5000FT² OF GROSS FLOOR AREA IN NC NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICT ZONING.

WHICH PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE VICINITY NORTH OF AND ADJACENT TO SAINT ANDRE BOULEVARD AND WEST OF AND ADJACENT TO DEGROOT ROAD AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED HEREIN GRANTING THE USE AS A CONDITIONAL USE, PROVIDING CONDITIONS HEREIN, PROVIDING FOR A COMMENCEMENT PERIOD, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU, MISS SMITH.

I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT THEIR CASE.

THEY ARE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL JACK SPIRA, 505 BABCOCK STREET.

I REPRESENT THE APPLICANT.

I'LL GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND. THE ZONING IN THIS PROPERTY IS INDICATED AS NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL THAT EXISTING ZONING ALLOWS BY.

RIGHT ANY DEVELOPMENT, ANY RETAIL DEVELOPMENT UNDER 5000FT².

THE SITE, THE SIZE OF THE SITE WOULD IN EFFECT WOULD ALLOW FIVE DIFFERENT PARCELS, FIVE DIFFERENT UNITS OF 5000FT² OF 25,000 SQUARE FOOT COULD BE BUILT ON THAT SITE.

WE ARE MY CLIENT IS LOOKING TO BUILD A RETAIL STORE.

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THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE REQUIREMENT.

THERE'S A STAFF REPORT DATED MAY 3RD RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.

THAT STAFF REPORT INDICATED THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITIZENS PARTICIPATION MEETING UNDER SECTION 169 .05 HAVE BEEN MET AND ALL REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION 185 .087 PALM BAY CODE OF ORDINANCES HAVE BEEN MET RECOMMENDED BY APPROVAL, RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL BY PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD ON MAY 7TH.

THERE'S A TRAFFIC STUDY CONDUCTED IN MAY PROVIDED TO THE CITY THAT INDICATED THE PROJECT DID NOT WARRANT ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS.

IT CAME BEFORE COUNCIL ON MAY 18TH.

AT THE HEARING BEFORE COUNCIL, THE APPLICANT AGREED TO COMPLY WITH ALL STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.

THE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS OR CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO COMPLY WITH.

THEY AGREED TO MEET ALL SETBACK BUFFERS AND MAXIMUM BUILDING COVERAGE.

THE PROPOSITION WAS THERE'S A 30% ALLOWED FOR BUILDING ON THE SITE RIGHT NOW.

THE BUILDING WOULD ONLY BE CONSIST OF 11% OF THAT SITE BUILDING.

THERE WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED A SIDEWALK ALONG THE SITE FRONTAGE ON SAINT ANDRE AND DEGROOT.

THERE WOULD BE A CROSS WALK CONNECTION FROM SAINT ANDRE TO DEGROOT.

THERE'S A TEN FOOT DEDICATED RIGHT OF WAY ALONG SITE FRONTAGE OF DEGROOT THAT PROVIDE OVER HALF A MILE OF WATER MAIN EXTENSIONS WITH UPSIZING AGREEMENT, AND THEY WOULD COMPLY WITH THE CITY LIGHT CITY SITE LIGHTING REQUIREMENTS UNDER SECTION 185 143.

THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION AT THAT POINT.

THE COUNCIL VOTED TO TO CONTINUE THIS TO TODAY'S HEARING.

AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE TODAY.

AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I'D LIKE TO INCORPORATE INTO THIS PRESENTATION THE APPLICATION FOR CONDITIONAL USE FILED IN THIS MATTER.

THE STAFF REPORT, TRAFFIC STUDY AND THE MINUTES OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.

AT THIS POINT IN TIME AND MY PRESENTATION, I HAVE WITNESSES I'D LIKE TO CALL AT THIS POINT TO TESTIFY OR TO GIVE FOR SOME EVIDENCE TO COUNCIL FOR THE CONSIDERATION. I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE IT FIRST.

DANIEL YOUNG.

HE'S A CIVIL ENGINEER, VICE PRESIDENT WITH H.W.

PROFESSIONAL CONSULTANTS IN GAINESVILLE.

THEN AT THAT POINT, I'D LIKE TO ASK MR. LARRY HAGAN. HE'S A TRAFFIC CONSULTANT WITH HAGAN CONSULTING SERVICES INC.

ALSO HAVE WITH ME TODAY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT MAY COME UP WITH COUNCIL IS SEAN WAGLER.

HE'S SENIOR DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT WITH CONCEPT DEVELOPMENT.

I'D LIKE TO RESERVE TIME TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS DANIEL YOUNG.

AS YOU SAID, I'M A VICE PRESIDENT AT C.H.W.

I AM A REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

I HAVE 18 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE WITH COUNTLESS PROJECTS DESIGNED AND PERMITTED OVER 200 GENERALS IN MY CAREER I'VE DONE SO FAR.

I HAVE SIGNED THE OATH CARD, BY THE WAY, SO I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS.

FAST FORWARD THE PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU. AS HE STATED BEFORE, THE THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT ALLOWS RETAIL STORES AND IT CONTAINING MORE THAN 5000FT² OF FLOOR AREA SUBJECT TO THIS CONDITIONAL USE AND WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY.

WE WILL MEET ALL THE SETBACKS, BUFFERS AND MAXIMUM BUILDING COVERAGE AS REQUIRED BY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

AS YOU SAID, WE HAVE 11%, APPROXIMATELY 11% OF OUR ALLOWABLE BUILDING COVERAGE.

WE'RE ALLOWED 30%.

SO WE'LL BE WELL BELOW THAT.

WE WILL PROVIDE SIDEWALKS AND FRONTAGES ALONG.

SAINT ANDRE AND DEGROOT CROSSWALKS WILL ALSO BE PROVIDED WORKING WITH STAFF AS NEEDED ACROSS SAINT ANDRE'S OR DEGROOT.

TEN FOOT RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION IS ALSO GOING TO BE GIVEN ALONG THE ROUTE.

WE'RE PROVIDING OVER A HALF MILE OF WATER MAIN EXTENSION GOING FROM A 16 INCH EXTENSION WITH OVERSIZING.

THE PROJECT PROBABLY WOULD ONLY NEED ABOUT A SIX INCH TO SERVICE IT WITH FIRE PROTECTION AND WHATNOT.

WE CAN MEET THE CURRENT PARKING REQUIREMENT ON THE SITE, BUT IT'S EXCESSIVE FOR WHAT OUR TENANTS USE WOULD BE.

SO WE MAY ASK FOR A REDUCTION IN THAT WITH A PARKING STUDY THAT WE HAVE PREPARED.

AND THEN ALSO WE WILL COMPLY WITH THE CITY SITE LIGHTING AS WELL.

THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN OF THE OF THE SITE ITSELF.

YOU CAN SEE THE 10,700 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING THERE IN ORANGE.

AS WE STATED BEFORE, THE ZONING DISTRICT ON THIS IS NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL.

WE HAVE A FUTURE LAND USE OF COMMERCIAL ON THE PROPERTY AND IT'S A TWO AND A QUARTER ACRE SITE, PLUS OR MINUS.

AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, OUR MAIN ENTRANCE WOULD BE OFF OF SAINT ANDRE.

WE HAVE SIDEWALKS, AS WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, ALONG SAINT ANDRE AND DEGROOT.

THE PARKING WILL ALSO FOLLOW ALONG THAT AS WELL.

WE HAVE A STORMWATER SYSTEM TO THE NORTHWEST ALSO HELPING PROVIDE THAT BUFFER BUT ALSO A BUFFER AROUND IT.

THERE IS A SWALE SLASH CANAL THAT IS ALSO BORDERING THE PROJECT AS WELL, WHICH MAKES UP THE PROJECT.

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RIGHT. THERE IS A LOT OF DIFFERENT USES THAT COULD GO ON THE PROPERTY THAT ARE ALLOWED BY.

RIGHT. AND DOING A QUICK TRIP GENERATION WHICH HOW MANY TRIPS WOULD ACTUALLY GO TO THIS STORE VERSUS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF FACILITY.

WE HAVE A CONVENIENCE MARKET AT 5000FT² WHICH IS ALLOWED BY.

RIGHT WOULD CREATE 3800 TRIPS, SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN THE 681 THAT OUR PROPOSED RETAIL STORE WOULD ALLOW.

SIMILARLY, THE WALK IN BANK FOR THE PM PEAK WOULD GENERATE 130 TRIPS WHERE THE PROPOSED RETAIL WOULD ONLY GENERATE 72.

A LIBRARY OF 10,700FT² IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT WOULD GENERATE DAILY TRIPS OF 771 TRIPS PER DAY VERSUS THE 681 THAT THE DOLLAR GENERAL WOULD CREATE.

SIMILARLY, THE SIT DOWN RESTAURANT, THE AM PEAK WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN OUR AM PEAK, AND THE FAST CASUAL IS JUST A LITTLE BIT BELOW IT.

BUT AS YOU CAN TELL, WE'RE WE'RE COMPARABLE TO WHAT THOSE USES WOULD BE AND THOSE ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT VERSUS OUR PROJECT IS HAS TO GO THROUGH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

SO JUST TO SUMMARIZE, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS PERMITTED WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT.

THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS FOR APPROVAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE, AS OUTLINED FOR SECTION 185 .087 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT GENERATES LOWER VEHICULAR TRIPS THAN OTHER ALLOWED USES, AS I SHOWED PREVIOUSLY, AND THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PROVIDES PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDING SIDEWALKS, CROSSWALKS, WATER, MAIN EXTENSIONS AND SUCH.

SO WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAND IT OVER TO LARRY TO FINISH THE PRESENTATION.

ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL.

RYAN, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT SECOND? I THINK IT WAS JUST AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROPERTY.

YEAH, THERE YOU GO.

PERHAPS JUST KEEP IT THERE FOR A MOMENT, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

AS ADDITIONAL. YOU HAVE AN ADDITIONAL SLIDE.

OKAY, SO STAND FAST WITH THAT.

I'LL KEEP THAT IN THE BACK BECAUSE I WANT TO WE'LL COME BACK AND ADDRESS THAT LATER.

OKAY. MY NAME IS LAWRENCE HAGEN.

I AM A TRAFFIC ENGINEER, REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER IN FLORIDA, A PROFESSIONAL TRAFFIC OPERATIONS ENGINEER CERTIFIED INTERNATIONALLY AND A ROAD SAFETY PROFESSIONAL CERTIFIED INTERNATIONALLY.

I HAVE 37 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE.

I'M AN OLD MAN. SORRY ABOUT THAT.

I'M AN OLD MAN. YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF HAIR DISAPPEARING HERE.

SO 37 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE.

I HAVE WORKED IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR, THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND ACADEMIA.

MY EXPERIENCE GOES ALL OVER THE PLACE.

SO THERE'S A BUTTON THERE THAT YOU COULD RAISE THAT LECTERN.

OH, OKAY. THAT'S COOL. YEAH.

YES, SIR. YEAH, I NEED THAT SOMETIMES.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. WELL, I DID THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND OOPS, WRONG DIRECTION.

THE OTHER ONE. OKAY, I GET THAT ONE.

OKAY. OKAY.

YES. I DIDN'T. THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE LOOKED AT IS, IS A TURN LANE NEEDED AND THE PROCEDURES FOR EXAMINING WHEN A TURN LANE IS NEEDED ARE FROM A REPORT THE NATIONAL COOPERATIVE HIGHWAY RESEARCH PROGRAM REPORT PRODUCED BY TEXAS A&M.

AND IT YOU KNOW, YOU PUT IN SOME THINGS LIKE WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE OF LEFT TURNS, WHAT'S THE SPEEDS AND WHAT'S THE VOLUME AND WHAT'S THE OPPOSING VOLUME.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE RED TRIANGLE THERE AND IT'S PRETTY FAR BELOW THE BLUE LINE.

ANYTHING ABOVE THE BLUE LINE AND THE LEFT TURN LANE IS WARRANTED.

ANYTHING BELOW THE BLUE LINE AND THE LEFT LANE IS REALLY NOT WARRANTED.

AND I UNDERSTAND THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION PREVIOUSLY.

WELL, WOULDN'T IT BE BETTER TO HAVE A LOT OF TURN LANES? WELL, THAT'S NOT ALWAYS THE CASE.

MANY TIMES IF YOU WIDEN A ROAD TOO MUCH, WHAT HAPPENS IS THE VEHICLE SPEEDS GO UP.

PEOPLE SEE IT AS, OH GOSH, I'VE GOT NOW ALMOST A HIGHWAY.

AND SO VEHICLE SPEEDS TEND TO GO UP.

AND SO OFTENTIMES IT TENDS TO BE LESS SAFE TO ADD TURN LANES IF THEY'RE REALLY NOT WARRANTED.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WARRANTS LOOK AT IS THE PERCENT OF CONFLICTS OR THE DEGREE OF CONFLICTS YOU WOULD HAVE.

AND SO AS THE DEGREE OF CONFLICTS GO UP, THEN YOU WOULD CERTAINLY GET INTO JUSTIFYING.

AND SO WE SEE THE LEFT TURN WARRANT AND THE LEFT TURN WARRANT.

THAT RED DOT IS PRETTY FAR BELOW THE BLUE LINES.

AND SO IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE REALLY.

AND IT REALLY THE LEFT TURN LANES IS NOT WARRANTED BY THE WARRANTS.

I SAID, WELL, OKAY, WHAT COULD BECAUSE ONE OF THE COUNCIL'S CONCERN WAS THERE'S A LOT OF GROWTH GOING ON.

AND SO I SAID, LET'S GROW UP THE TRAFFIC 50%, ADD 50% MORE TRAFFIC.

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BUT STILL, EVEN WITH 50% GROWTH, THAT LEFT TURN LANE IS STILL NOT REALLY JUSTIFIED.

SAME THING WITH THE RIGHT TURN LANE.

THE RIGHT TURN LANE. YOU CAN SEE THE RED DOTS ARE NOWHERE CLOSE TO WHERE THE BLUE LINE IS.

AGAIN, IF IT'S UP ABOVE THE BLUE LINE, YOU WOULD SAY THE RIGHT TURN LANE IS WARRANTED.

IT'S WAY DOWN BELOW AND TO THE LEFT OF THAT BLUE LINE.

AND SO REALLY THE AGAIN, THE RIGHT TURN LANE IS NOT WARRANTED FOR THIS.

AND AGAIN, WITH 50% INCREASE IN TRAFFIC, THE RIGHT TURN LANE ISN'T EVEN CLOSE.

SO AGAIN, IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE FOR THE RIGHT TURN, LANE FOR THE LEFT TURN LANE WITH 50%, IT WAS GETTING CLOSE.

SO, AGAIN, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? WELL, AGAIN, USING THE NATIONAL STANDARDS, NOT MY STANDARDS, BUT THE NATIONAL STANDARDS CREATED BY TEXAS A&M UNIVERSITY, IT'S NOT WARRANTED TO PUT IN ALL THESE TURN LANES WITH A 50% INCREASE IN TRAFFIC.

THE LEFT TURN LANE IS STILL NOT WARRANTED.

IT'S A LITTLE CLOSER, BUT IT WASN'T STILL NOT WARRANTED.

THE RIGHT TURN LANE NOT WARRANTED FOR THE AM OR THE PM PEAK ANALYSIS.

AND EVEN WITH A 50% INCREASE IN TRAFFIC, THE RIGHT TURN LANE IS STILL NOT WARRANTED.

AND AGAIN, YOU SAY WELL, WOULDN'T TURN LANES MAKE THINGS SAFER AND YOU KNOW WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT I THINK OOPS LET ME GO TO I HOPE I HAVE MY OTHER SLIDE IN HERE.

YEAH, THIS IS A PROJECT I WAS WORKING ON.

THIS IS IN SAINT JOHNS COUNTY.

AND THIS DEVELOPMENT WAS HAVING REAL PROBLEMS FOR THE PEOPLE TO GET OUT ONTO THEIR ROAD.

THIS ARTERIAL ROAD, LONGLEAF PINE PARKWAY IS AN ARTERIAL ROAD.

IT'S FAIRLY HIGH SPEED, 45 MILES AN HOUR, POSTED SPEED.

A LOT OF PEOPLE GOING WAY FASTER THAN THAT.

BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WE SEE THERE IS A RIGHT TURN LANE.

AND AS THE VEHICLES PULL INTO THE RIGHT TURN LANE, THEY BLOCK THE VIEW OF THE PEOPLE TRYING TO TURN LEFT OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

THEY'VE HAD A LOT OF SERIOUS CRASHES THERE, VERY SERIOUS CRASHES WHERE PEOPLE GOT INJURED AND HAD TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL BECAUSE PEOPLE THOUGHT, OKAY, IT LOOKS LIKE I CAN GO.

BUT AS THE VEHICLE MOVED INTO THE RIGHT TURN LANE, THE PEOPLE THAT WERE GOING THROUGH ACCELERATED AND SPED UP.

AND SO THEY'RE GOING FASTER AND SOMEBODY'S TRYING TO TURN LEFT, GETS CREAMED IN A RIGHT ANGLE CRASH.

AND SO, AGAIN, SOMETIMES PUTTING IN TURN LANES IS NOT THE BEST THING.

THIS THING IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON HERE.

THE CURVE OF THE ROADWAY CREATES SOME SIGHT DISTANCE OBSTRUCTIONS.

AND THAT'S THE REAL PROBLEM HERE.

AND SO FOR THIS DOLLAR GENERAL, ARE THE LEFT TURN LANES WARRANTED? YOU KNOW, THE ANSWER REALLY IS NO.

AND SO I HOPE THE COUNCIL WOULD CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, IS THAT SOMETHING THEY REALLY WANT TO DO, PUT IN A WHOLE BUNCH OF TURN LANES? AGAIN, IT'S SOMETHING THAT CLEARLY THE WARRANTS AREN'T THERE FOR IT.

AND AGAIN, THE SPEEDS ARE LOW.

BEING OUT THERE, WATCHING TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH THE INTERSECTION, THE SPEEDS ARE LOW.

THERE'S NOT A LOT OF CONFLICTS.

IT IS OPERATING FAIRLY WELL.

THE DOLLAR GENERAL TRAFFIC IS NOT THAT EXTENSIVE.

IT'S NOT LIKE SOME OF THOSE OTHER USES WE LOOKED AT OR LIKE A SUPER WALMART OR SOMETHING.

AND SO I REALLY THINK IT'S WORTH CONSIDERING DO WE REALLY WANT TO PUT THAT ON DOLLAR GENERAL? WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY ENGINEER AND, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS DOLLAR GENERAL MIGHT DO THE LEFT TURN LANE BACK. LET ME GO BACK TO.

THERE WE GO. THE LEFT TURN LANE FROM DE GROOT INTO SAINT ANDRE.

PERHAPS DO THAT IF WE GET APPROPRIATE IMPACT FEE CREDITS FOR IT, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WORTH CONSIDERATION FOR DOLLAR GENERAL.

BUT REALLY AND TRULY, AGAIN, AND I'M NOT MAKING IT UP, I'M SHOWING YOU WHAT THE NUMBERS SAY.

AGAIN, USING NATIONAL STANDARDS, THE LEFT TURN LANE AND RIGHT TURN LANES REALLY AREN'T NECESSARY.

ALL RIGHT. I'LL LEAVE TIME FOR QUESTIONS, COUNSELOR.

DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR PRESENTATION? YES, IT DOES. ANY QUESTIONS, COUNSELOR? NO, THANK YOU.

DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR PRESENTATION, JACK? THANK YOU. ANY SPEAKER CARDS, SIR? NO SPEAKER CARDS.

SORRY. YES. YES, MR. BUTTON. MASTER CHIEF.

BRING THAT LECTERN DOWN TO GIVE ME THAT HIGH MASTER CHIEF.

BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST.

THE STORE AND RETENTION POND CURRENTLY TAKE UP 50% OF THE 5.3 ACRE SITE.

SO MY QUESTION WAS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN BE HAPPENING WITH THE REST OF THE LAND MASS IN THAT AREA?

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SO WHAT ARE THE PLANS FOR THE REMAINING REMAINING PROPERTY? THAT'S IF THEY BROUGHT IT UP.

SO YOU DON'T NEED TO TELL YOU THE PAGE.

THAT WAS 1065, RIGHT? THIS IS ANOTHER RETAIL STORE WHERE WE'RE DOUBLING THE SIZE OF WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS, WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE AS WE GO THROUGH TONIGHT, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THIS COME UP AGAIN. RIGHT? SO MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING WITH OUR ORDINANCES ON RETAIL SIZE THAT WE HAVE FOR FOR THE DOLLAR.

GENERAL, MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING TO LOOK AT.

IF EVERYBODY'S SAYING THEY NEED MORE AND MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT IN THE ORDINANCE JUST TO TRY AND ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THAT TIES UP WITH LEGAL SIDE AND FINAL STATEMENT IS SOMETIMES WE NEED TO BUILD FOR THE FUTURE.

AND WE'VE SEEN THIS PROBLEM WITH THE TRAFFIC HERE IN PALM BAY.

SOMETIMES WE NEED TO BUILD FOR THE FUTURE INSTEAD OF WHAT MEETS THE MINIMUM CRITERIA.

RIGHT NOW WE'VE WE'VE EXPERIENCED THAT PROBLEM.

THAT BEING SAID, I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO BRING COMMERCIAL INTO THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, JACK.

DID YOU WANT TO REBUT ANY ANY COMMENTS, SIR? BECAUSE THE POINT IS WELL TAKEN WITH REGARDS TO THE SIZE OF STORES NEEDED.

IN THIS CASE, DOLLAR GENERAL HAS EXPANDED SOME OF THE STORES.

THEY NOW HAVE FRESH PRODUCE TRYING TO SERVE THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY FROM A HEALTH STANDPOINT.

SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY STORES ARE BECOMING LARGER.

AND I UNDERSTAND HIS POSITION AND MAY BE SOMETHING THE COUNCIL WANTS TO LOOK AT.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER SPEAKER CARDS, SIR? ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL. SO THEY ANSWERED ALL MY CONCERNS BECAUSE AND TO THAT TO THAT SAME POINT.

I DON'T WANT TO GIVE UP IMPACT FEES OR THE LEFT TURN LANE UNLESS WE SEE THAT AS WARRANTED.

SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING I'M NOT WILLING TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE ONE FOR THE OTHER.

WELL, HERE HERE'S HERE'S WHERE I'M AT, RIGHT.

WE AT THE LAST AT THE LAST DISCUSSION.

DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX HAD SOME CONCERNS.

LIGHTING WAS AN ISSUE, RIGHT? THAT CORRIDOR.

YOU SEE THAT? THAT'S A THAT BEND TO ME IS A DANGEROUS.

AND I ALL DUE RESPECT TO OUR OUR EXPERTS.

BUT I THINK THE KEY THING, IF YOU FOLLOW WHAT I SAID AT THE LAST MEETING, THIS COUNCIL HAD FORWARD THINKING.

THEY WERE LOOKING AT HOW WE'RE IMPACTING THE COMMUNITY DOWN RANGE IN THE FUTURE.

AND SO I'M GOOD WITH IMPACT FEE CREDITS TO BUILD THAT LEFT LANE.

AND NOT ONLY THAT, BUT TO HAVE THAT RIGHT TURN LANE TO GO INTO THE DOLLAR GENERAL, BECAUSE IN AN EFFORT THAT IS GOING TO BE A COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE BUILT OUT RIGHT.

AND IN THE FUTURE.

SO I WOULD BE GOOD WITH THAT.

I WOULD BE GOOD WITH PROVIDING THOSE IMPACT FEE CREDITS.

BUT THE WAY WE LEFT IT LAST MEETING, IT WAS DISCUSSED THE LIGHTING DEPUTY MAYOR, IF YOU RECALL, IT WAS DISCUSSED THE LEFT TURN LANE. IT WAS ALSO DISCUSSED THE RIGHT TURN LANE INTO THERE.

AND WHAT WE YOU KNOW, AND THEY WERE GOING TO DISCUSS THAT AND THEN COME BACK.

WHAT I SEE TODAY IS THE OPPORTUNITY OF EXPERTS COMING IN TO SAY NO, THAT THAT'S NOT WARRANTED.

WHEN THIS COUNCIL WAS LOOKING FOR THE FUTURE, LOOKING DOWN RANGE FOR OUR CITIZENS.

AND I THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY WHERE THIS COUNCIL WAS SEEING THE FUTURE AND ALLEVIATING THAT.

SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS.

I KNOW. MADAM SHERMAN, YOU HAVE SOME COMMENTS? YES, SIR. IF YOU WOULD, IF YOU WOULD NOT MIND, I'D LIKE TO HAVE FRANK WATANABE, OUR CITY ENGINEER, COME UP AND SPEAK ON THE RECORD ABOUT HIS REVIEW OF THE AREA AND THE NEED FOR SOME OF THESE TURN LANES.

THANK YOU, MADAM SHERMAN.

GOOD EVENING AGAIN.

FRANK WATANABE, THE CITY ENGINEER.

AS WE DISCUSSED IN THE LAST PRESENTATION, I AGREE WITH THE TRAFFIC STUDY.

I SUPPORT THE TRAFFIC STUDY. I AGREE WITH THE CONSULTANT.

HOWEVER, WE'RE LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE OF THIS AREA.

WE JUST PAVED UNIT 30.

SO AGAIN, I DRIVE THE STREET, GOING HOME TO SEBASTIAN EVERY DAY.

SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THE ROAD CONDITIONS APPEARS BASED ON NUMBERS.

LOW DOESN'T MEET THE WARRANTS.

I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT TOMORROW, THE NEXT DAY, AS UNIT 30 GROWS, WE JUST PAID THE STREETS.

SO ALL THOSE AREAS ARE EXPANDING JUST LIKE 31 AND 32 DID.

SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE 50%.

IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE 100% OF TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD, ON THAT INTERSECTION.

THAT CONCERNS ME.

KNOW THEN THE CURVE WE HAVE, WE'VE ALREADY LOWERED THE SPEED ON THE CURVE JUST BECAUSE OF THE BECAUSE OF THE ISSUES WE'VE HAD IN SINCE WE HAD.

SO THOSE TWO THINGS ALARM ME.

THE VOLUME JUST ON DEGROOD, IT'S ABOUT 8 TO 9000 CARS TODAY.

THAT'S GOING TO KEEP GROWING AS THAT AREA GROWS, UNIT 30 GROWS.

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BUILD IT NOW WAS STILL CHEAP AND AFFORDABLE AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE CAPACITY THAT IS GOING TO BE ONE OF THE GATEWAYS INTO UNIT 49 AND INTO THE COMPOUND.

WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE'S ONLY SAINT ANDRE, OSMOSIS AND BOMBARD.

THAT'S IT. SO WE NEED TO LOOK INTO THE FUTURE AND THAT'S WHY I SUPPORTED YOUR ISSUES REGARDING SAFETY ISSUES TO IMPROVE THE INTERSECTION FOR THE FUTURE.

YES, SIR. WELL, THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE THAT, SIR.

THANK YOU. UH COUNCILMAN.

FOSTER. I WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANY COMMENTS? WELL, I'M GOING TO AGREE WITH YOU THERE ABOUT THE IMPACT FEES TURNING.

I'M ALL FOR THAT. AND I KNOW THE EXPERT SAYS NOT WANTING TO RIGHT NOW FOR 50% INCREASE IS NOT WARRANTED. BUT YOU KNOW HOW QUICKLY THE CITY IS GROWING.

AND, YOU KNOW, THREE YEARS, THREE YEARS AGO, HE WAS AT HE WAS BARELY AT 100,000.

NOW WE ARE WAY OVER 100,000.

SO. AND IN FLORIDA IS GROWING FAST, ESPECIALLY THE PALM BAY AREA.

SO SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE FUTURE LIKE YOU SAID.

AND IF IT TAKES IMPACT FEES TO GET THE ATTORNEY MONEY, THEN I'M ALL FOR IT.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. COPY THAT.

MR. SPIRO, WOULD YOU WANT TO CONCLUDE YOUR PRESENTATION? YES. THANK YOU.

IF I COULD HAVE MR. WAGLER, WHO'S WHO'S WITH CONCEPT, MAYBE ADDRESS SOME OF THE QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

THANK YOU. WE DON'T HAVE.

I DIDN'T HAVE A QUESTION, BUT.

IS HE GOING TO CONCLUDE? OKAY, I'M GOING.

OKAY. SORRY. YES.

SEAN, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY AND KIND OF TOUCHED ON EARLIER HOW EXPENSIVE.

TURN LANE INSTALLATION IS AND KIND OF WE'VE DONE PROFESSIONAL STUDIES DESIGN CONSULTANTS THAT IT'S NOT WARRANTED.

AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO CLARIFY AS THE EXCUSE ME, THE IMPACT FEE CREDIT WOULD COVER, WHICH WOULD BE YOUR REQUEST WOULD BE A WRITE IN ON SAINT ANDRE AND A LEFT IN ON DE.

LEFT ON TO SAINT ANDREWS.

YOU JUST MENTIONED A RIGHT TURN LANE, I BELIEVE, ON SAINT ANDRE AND A LEFT IN ONTO GRID.

I'M JUST SO A LEFT TURN LANE RIGHT GOING TO SAINT ANDRE BUT I BELIEVE YOU ALSO MENTIONED A RIGHT LANE THE RIGHT LANE TURNING INTO THE DOLLAR GENERAL OKAY SO FROM SAINT ANDREW BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE ENTRANCE, YOU HAVE THE ENTRANCE ON SAINT ANDREWS, NOT YOU DON'T HAVE THE ENTRANCE PLANNED FOR THE GROUP.

OKAY. JUST YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THE IMPACT FEE CREDIT, WHICH WE'RE TOTALING AROUND.

I THINK 130,000 IS WHAT WE TABULATED, WHICH WOULD PROBABLY BE AROUND THE COST OF SAID TURN LANE.

AND IF WE DIDN'T GET THOSE CREDITS, THE PROJECT WOULD PROBABLY NOT MOVE FORWARD.

OKAY, SO. SO YOU'RE ASKING.

I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY WHAT ARE THE AMOUNTS OF THE THE CREDITS AND WHAT WOULD THAT PROCESS BE MOVING FORWARD? OKAY. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, SIR.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

WE'LL GET AN ANSWER FOR YOU.

MADAM SHERMAN, CAN YOU ELABORATE OR HAVE STAFF ELABORATE ON THOSE IMPACT FEE CREDITS? AGAIN. ACTUALLY, I WAS TALKING TO THE POLICE CHIEF AND HE REMINDED ME THE DOLLAR GENERAL THAT WAS PUT IN ON LOCK, MORE COMPARABLE IN SIZE.

THAT HAS A LEFT TURN AND A RIGHT TURN LANE.

THE DOLLAR GENERAL THAT WE PUT IN OFF OF DEGROOT HAS A LEFT TURN AND THEY DIDN'T WANT TO PUT A LEFT TURN IN.

AND WE RECOMMENDED BECAUSE OF THE HIGH VOLUMES AND THE LOCATION, A LEFT TURN THEY PUT ONE IN.

WE'RE DOING THE SAME THING HERE.

THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE A COST ESTIMATE OF THOSE IMPACT FEE CREDITS? ROUGHLY. AGAIN, I DID IT ROUGHLY.

YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T PAY FOR THE ALL THREE LOCATIONS WHERE YOU WANT TO TURN THE LEFT OR RIGHT AND THE RIGHT.

I THOUGHT THE SAFEST ONE WOULD BE THE LEFT TURN.

WE ALSO AGREE THAT THE RIGHT TURN INTO THE STORE ON SAINT ANDRE BECAUSE SAINT ANDRE IS GOING TO BE A MAJOR COLLECTOR.

IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT TODAY AS AS THE STUDY SHOWED, LOW VOLUMES.

BUT UNIT 30 IS GOING TO EXPAND.

31 GREW, 32 GREW, 30 IS GOING TO WE JUST PAVED ALL THOSE STREETS.

YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THOUSANDS OF HOMES BACK THERE.

SO ALL THOSE TRIPS.

SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE 50%.

IT'S GOING TO BE 100 PLUS.

IT'S GOING TO TRIGGER THOSE THOSE WARRANTS.

AND WE USE THE EXAMPLE JUST TO RECOLLECT.

RIGHT? WE USE THE EXAMPLE OF RIGHT HERE ON MALABAR ROAD.

CORRECT. THE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S MALABAR.

MALABAR ROAD IS JUST GOING INTO ONE LANE AND AND WE NEED THAT THAT LANE TO TURN INTO G SO THANK YOU SIR.

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SO WE STILL DON'T HAVE A FIGURE.

RIGHT. BUT CERTAINLY WHAT WHAT I'M HEARING FROM COUNSEL HERE AND STAFF IS THAT IT'S RECOMMENDED FOR THAT LEFT HAND TURN FROM DEGROOD ONTO SAINT ANDRE.

AND AS YOU DECELERATION LANE, IF YOU WILL.

THANK YOU, JULIETTE, FOR THE RIGHT TURN INTO THE DOLLAR.

GENERAL, I UNDERSTAND. APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION BECAUSE IT GOT A LITTLE CONFUSING LAST TIME.

IT JUST POINTED OUT, I MEAN, CERTAINLY I UNDERSTAND THE PLAN.

I'M LOOKING FORWARD TRYING TO TRYING TO ANTICIPATE WHAT GOES ON.

I THINK IN THIS CASE, THE APPLICANT, BY EXTENDING THE WATER LINE, IS TRYING TO DO THAT AS FAR AS THE LEFT TURN.

AND AGAIN, WITHOUT KNOWING THE IMPACT FEES, CREDIT, MY UNDERSTANDING AND MAYBE SUBJECT TO CLARIFICATION, THE COST OF A LEFT TURN LANE IS THE IMPACT FEE CREDITS DO NOT MEET THE COST OF LEFT TURN LANE BUT BUT CERTAINLY THEY'RE WILLING TO DO IT.

THEY WOULD PUT UP SOME ADDITIONAL MONEY TO DO THAT LEFT TURN.

THE PROBLEM, OF COURSE, WITH THE RIGHT TURN LANE AND AGAIN I UNDERSTAND WHY COUNCIL WANTS TO LOOK TO THE FUTURE, BUT WHAT IT'S DOING IS PUTTING A BURDEN ON ONE ONE DEVELOPER HERE TO TO PICK UP SOME WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE CITYWIDE.

IT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IF THERE'S A REQUIREMENT OF A RIGHT TURN LANE RESPECTIVELY, RESPECTIVELY, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE FEASIBLE.

AGAIN, THE CONCEPT DEVELOPS AS PROPERTY.

THEY HAVE TO LEASE IT TO DOLLAR GENERAL AND IT'S A PROJECT THAT WOULD NOT WOULD NOT GO THROUGH.

AND JUST BEING TOTALLY CANDID WITH COUNCIL, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ENOUGH IMPACT FEE CREDITS THAT WOULD SUPPORT THAT, THAT TYPE OF THAT TYPE OF USE.

AND AGAIN, I'LL POINT OUT, I UNDERSTAND THE NEED BY, BY RIGHT CONVENIENCE STORE CAN GO THERE AND THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC GENERATED BY THAT CONVENIENCE STORE IS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN WOULD BE BE GENERATED BY THE DOLLAR GENERAL.

BUT THEY'D LIKE TO DO IT.

THEY THEY APPRECIATE WORKING WITH THE CITY.

BUT IF THE CITY REQUIRES A RIGHT TURN LANE AND IT IT CAN'T BE OFFSET BY IMPACT FEES AND I DON'T BELIEVE IT CAN FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND SO FAR, THEY JUST WON'T THEY JUST WON'T BE ABLE TO PROCEED WITH THE PROJECT.

SO BASED ON WHAT ESTIMATE, MISTER SPEAR, DO YOU FEEL THAT I DON'T EVEN I DIDN'T GET A CLEAR.

THE IMPACT FEE CREDIT WOULD BE.

AND THEN THE COST YOU'RE ESTIMATING, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, 130,000 OR WHAT WHAT WOULD THE COST BE? SO MAYBE WE COULD.

SURE. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE ESTIMATE IS.

USUALLY DEVELOPERS CAN BUILD A ROAD A LOT CHEAPER THAN WHAT GOVERNMENT CAN, RIGHT.

SO THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE CASE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.

BUT WITH RISING CONSTRUCTION COSTS, THE DOLLAR GENERAL IN QUESTION THAT WE DID MALABAR ROAD THAT TURN LANE WITH OFFSET IMPROVEMENTS WAS HONESTLY AROUND $160,000.

THE ONE, THE ONE THAT WE'VE BEEN PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSING.

THE ONE ON DE GROOT? YES. YOU'RE SAYING JUST NORTH OF THERE.

OKAY. SO YOU'RE ESTIMATING THAT TO BE $160,000? NO, THAT WAS THE ONE THAT WE PREVIOUSLY I BELIEVE IT WAS ON THE PREVIOUS ONE ON DE GROOT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

SO THAT'S WHAT THE ACTUAL COST WAS.

YES. HUNDRED AND 60,000.

OKAY. THAT WOULD BE FOR THE LEFT TURN LANE ONLY.

YES, THAT'S THE LEFT. CORRECT.

OKAY. SO WE TOOK SOME AT LEAST I WAS TRYING TO GET INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE LAST MEETING, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH IMPACT FEES CREDIT THERE WERE.

MY UNDERSTANDING THE IMPACT FEE CREDITS WILL NOT WILL NOT MEET THE 160,000.

SO BUT THEY WERE WILLING TO TO TO TO PAY THE EXTRA COST AS A DEVELOPER BUT NOW THROWING ON A RIGHT TURN LANE THAT SORT OF TIPS IT OVER WHERE IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S NOT PRACTICAL NOT FEASIBLE ON ITS OWN.

MAYBE THE IMPACT FEES CREDITS ARE IMPORTANT, BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW IF IT EXCEEDS OR COMES CLOSE TO COVERING.

I UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND.

SO LET ME LET ME HEAR FROM OUR CITY ENGINEER.

MAYBE HE HAS A BETTER INDICATION OF WHAT THE IMPACT FEES WOULD WOULD.

YEAH, I RAN THE NUMBERS. I THINK IT WAS LIKE $82,000 WAS THE CREDIT.

SO IT'S DOUBLE THE AMOUNT.

IF YOU'RE SAYING IT'S 160 K FOR THE LEFT TURN LANES, THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE.

YES, BUT THAT'S THE SAME FOR THE LEFT TURN.

THEY'RE WILLING TO HELP OUT.

IT'S JUST THE ADDITIONAL RIGHT TURN.

LANE WOULD BE A BURDEN.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

UNDERSTOOD. SO, MR. SPEER AND TEAM.

I KNOW THAT. I KNOW THAT THE LEFT TURN LANE IS FAR MORE IMPORTANT IN MY EYES IN THE FUTURE THINKING THAN THE RIGHT TURN LANE.

MAYBE WE CAN IMPROVE THAT AT A LATER TIME.

BUT IF FOR ME, I WOULD PREFER FOR THAT LEFT TURN LANE TO BE PART OF THE PROJECT, THEY WOULD AGREE AS PART OF THE PROJECT TO DO THE LEFT TURN LANE SUBJECT TO RECEIVING CREDIT FOR IMPACT FEES.

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THEY WOULD AGREE TO THAT. ALL RIGHT, SIR.

SO PART OF THAT, I KNOW MY DEPUTY MAYOR WAS REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY OF THE LIGHTS, IF YOU REMEMBER HAVING IT WELL LIT, ESPECIALLY ON THE DEGROOT SIDE, BECAUSE IT'S A PRETTY DARK.

ARE YOU GUYS STILL AMENDABLE TO THAT? I'M AGAIN, THAT PROBABLY GOT INTO ALL THE CONFUSION.

I MEAN, CERTAINLY THEY WILL MEET ALL THE SITE LIGHT REQUIREMENTS UNDER CODE AND AGAIN I'M NOT SURE WHAT WHAT THAT BE.

I'LL HAVE STAFF COME UP.

THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. HELP YOU OUT.

THE PROBLEM WE HAVE WITH COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL.

THE LIGHTNING HAS TO GO TO ZERO AT THE PROPERTY LINE.

SO THAT'S NOT THE PROPERTY LINE AT THE PROPERTY LINE.

SO THEY COULD TRY TO ELIMINATE AS MUCH AS THEY CAN ON THEIR ON THEIR FACILITIES AND THAT WOULD CREATE ENOUGH BACKGROUND LIGHTING.

BUT AT THE PROPERTY LINE, IT'S GOT TO GO ZERO.

ALL RIGHT, SIR. SO, COUNCIL, I KNOW THAT THE RIGHT TURN LANE IS JUST AS IMPORTANT.

BUT IF IF IF THIS IS I'M WILLING TO MOVE THIS FORWARD WITH THAT LEFT TURN LANE THAT'S WHERE I STAND ON THAT.

THOSE THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS.

UM, THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL SPEAKER CARDS, ARE YOU? DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR PRESENTATION, SIR? SO I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK FOR A MOTION.

I'LL TRY THIS AGAIN.

ALL RIGHT. MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 20 2315 WITH THE EXCEPTION ADDING TURNING LANE AND LEFT TURN LANE FROM THE GROVE INTO ANDRÉ ONTO SAINT ANDRE.

I'M SUBJECT TO RECEIVING IMPACT FEE CREDIBLE.

SECOND GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

DEPUTY MAYOR. ANY COMMENTS? MAYOR. I THINK WE CAME TO A.

OF SOME GOOD RESOLUTION IN TERMS OF COMPROMISE.

THAT'S THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR.

I THINK, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT JUST LOOKING AT AS IT IS NOW.

WE'RE LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE WITH THE GROWTH WE'RE SEEING, ESPECIALLY IN THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT OF OUR CITY.

IT WON'T BE TOO LONG WHERE THIS WILL CERTAINLY BE WARRANTED.

SO I'M OKAY WITH DEVELOPERS WILLING TO COMPROMISE AND ADDING THAT LANE.

AND JOHNSON ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COUNCILMAN. FOSTER.

NO, NO, I'M GOOD.

I'M CALLING. ALL IN FAVOR.

SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. AYE. PASSES FOUR ZERO.

WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER 11.

ADAM SMITH OR AS YOU WERE.

I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND HAVE MS..

SHERMAN PRESENT THIS.

YES, THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO THIS IS AN ITEM THAT CAME BEFORE YOU ON MAY 18TH.

AND WAS CONTINUED BECAUSE THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

THIS IS AN AGREEMENT WITH KB HOME ORLANDO AND IS FOR GARDENS AT WATERSTONE, PHASES TWO AND THREE.

SO THERE ARE A FEW CLARIFICATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED INTO THE AGENDA MEMO AS WELL AS RELATED TO THE AGREEMENT THAT'S ATTACHED.

ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WAS RELATED TO WHETHER THERE WAS A PERFORMANCE BOND FOR THE SIGNALIZATION AT MERALOMA BOULEVARD AND BABCOCK STREET.

PART OF THE CONFUSION CAME FROM THE FACT THAT THERE WAS AN ORIGINAL AGREEMENT WITH A PRIOR OWNER DEVELOPER TO PUT IN THAT SIGNAL, BUT THEN THE PROJECT WAS SOLD.

BUT I CAN CONFIRM THAT IN THIS AGREEMENT.

KB HOMES ORLANDO HAS AGREED TO PUT IN THE MERALOMA TRAFFIC SIGNAL AND ALSO THE PERFORMANCE BOND IS INCLUDED AND REQUIRED IN THE ACTUAL AGREEMENT.

PART OF THE DETAILS OF THAT SIGNAL AT MERALOMA AND AND BABCOCK IS THAT WITHIN ONE YEAR OF OBTAINING ALL NECESSARY PERMITS FROM THE CITY AND BREVARD COUNTY, THEY WILL HAVE 12 MONTHS TO GET ALL OF THE MAST, ARMS AND CABINETS DELIVERED AND THEN GET THAT TRAFFIC SIGNAL INSTALLED.

I KNOW THEY'RE WORKING ACTIVELY ON THE PERMITS NOW, SO THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE AGREEMENT.

AND THERE IS ALSO A PERFORMANCE BOND THAT IS REQUIRED FOR THAT AND IT MUST BE DELIVERED AND PROVIDED TO THE CITY WITHIN 45 DAYS OF EXECUTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND ALSO HAS TO BE VERIFIED AS ACCEPTED BY BREVARD COUNTY, BECAUSE THAT PORTION OF THE ROAD IS STILL IN BREVARD COUNTY.

FURTHERMORE, THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT MERALOMA BOULEVARD, THE EXISTING SECTION OF MERALOMA, AND THE IMPACT OF CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC UPON THAT ROAD, AND SIMILAR TO HOW WE WERE WORKING WITH OTHER DEVELOPERS IN THAT AREA, WE ARE REQUIRING A PERFORMANCE BOND SO THAT DAMAGE TO THAT ROAD CAN BE DEALT WITH AT THE END OF THE

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SO I BELIEVE WE HAVE ADDRESSED THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE OUTSTANDING FROM LAST MEETING AND WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

COUNCIL ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? MASTER CHIEF BATTEN.

THE PHONE. BILL BATTEN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST.

I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A NEW AGREEMENT NOW, AND THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE.

THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT IT TO LIGHT LAST TIME THAT COMMITMENTS HAD NOT BEEN MET JUST FOR THAT QUICK HISTORY LESSON.

RIGHT. THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN SEPTEMBER OF 2022.

THAT'S WHEN ALL WAS SUPPOSED TO BE APPROVED.

RIGHT. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN OPERATIONAL BY APRIL OF THIS YEAR.

DID NOT HAPPEN NOW.

SO MY QUESTION WAS, WE HAD THAT ORIGINAL THAT AGREEMENT WAS IN WRITING.

DID WE GET THAT FUND OF THAT BOND BECAUSE THE COMMITMENT WAS NOT MET.

THEY MADE THE PROPERTY, BUT WE HAD THAT BOND.

DID WE RECEIVE THAT MONEY COMING INTO THE CITY? THAT WAS AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY.

RIGHT. THAT'S NUMBER ONE.

RIGHT? NOW, THE NEXT QUESTION WAS HOW MUCH IMPACT FEE CREDITS ARE THIS? IS THIS DEVELOPMENT CURRENTLY LOOKING AT? THEY'RE MAKING A MASSIVE BUILD.

DON'T GET ME WRONG. EXCUSE ME, MA'AM.

AS YOU WERE. PLEASE EXIT THAT DOOR AND COME OUT THROUGH HERE.

THAT'S A BREACH.

THANK YOU. SO I WAS CURIOUS FOR IMPACT FEE CREDITS.

I KNOW THEY'RE BUILDING A MASSIVE PRODUCT AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.

I'M JUST CURIOUS TO HOW MUCH IMPACT FEE CREDITS THAT ARE CURRENTLY GETTING RIGHT NOW.

LAST ITEM WAS ON PAGE 1095 OF THE AGENDA PACKET.

WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE ADVERTISEMENT, YOU BROUGHT IT OUT ONCE THAT YOU HAD THE WRONG SIDE OF THE STREET FROM EAST TO WEST DIRECTION.

BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT NEWSPAPER ARTICLE, IT SAYS, LET ME SEE.

WRONG ONE, RIGHT ON PAGE 1095, IT SAYS THAT MERRILL LOMA EXTENSION.

IS GOING TO BE PAID FOR BY OTHERS.

AND I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHO THE OTHERS WERE WHEN I WAS GOING THROUGH THE PACKET.

MAYBE SOMEBODY CAN TELL ME WHAT THAT ACTUALLY IS.

SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT PAGE 1195 MIRA EXTENSION PAID FOR BY OTHERS, YET I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE PAID FOR BY THIS DEVELOPER.

SO I'M JUST QUESTIONING THAT.

AND THE REASON WHY I'M QUESTIONING THESE IS I DON'T WANT TO SEE LIKE HAPPENED WITH THE SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY WHERE DEVELOPERS SAID THEY WERE GOING TO DO SOMETHING BECAUSE OF ONE LITTLE MISTAKE, RESIDENTS GOT STUCK WITH A $9 MILLION BILL.

THAT'S WHY I'M QUESTIONING AND BEING A PAIN.

BUT AS YOU KNOW, I DO READ THE READ THIS STUFF AND JAKE'S GOING TO SAY, DARN THAT BATON.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. CHIEF.

MADAM SHERMAN.

I'M GOING TO BRING UP FRANK WATANABE, OUR CITY ENGINEER, TO ASSIST WITH SOME OF THOSE ANSWERS.

AGAIN. GOOD EVENING, FRANK WATANABE.

JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS IS WITH GARDENS TWO AND THREE AND GARDENS TWO AND THREE ARE ALL THE LOCAL STREETS.

THEY ARE NOT BUILDING ANYTHING.

PART OF MIRALOMA. THAT IS WHY IT STATED OTHER THE GARDENS.

ONE CYPRESS BAY.

THEY'RE THE ONES PAYING AND CONSTRUCTING THE MIRALOMA EXTENSION.

SO GARDENS TWO AND THREE ARE NOT.

SO ALL OF THEIR STREETS ARE GOING TO BE PRIVATE.

OKAY. AND THE IMPACT FEE QUESTION.

AND IMPACT FEE CREDITS.

YOU CAN'T BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY OTHERS.

I FOUND THE PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE COST.

TABLE. I WAS LOOKING FOR SOME DETAILS.

I CAN SHARE THAT IF YOU LIKE.

YES, AT LEAST.

AT LEAST SHOWS THEIR THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS FOR THE VARIOUS IMPROVEMENTS ARE MAKING IN THE AREA AROUND WHICH IS A TOTAL OF $801,788.15. AND THAT'S FOR THEIR PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE COST OF SIGNALIZATION AT BABCOCK AND GRANT'S OF ONE SIDE WIDENING AND ADDING AN EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TURN LANE AT BABCOCK AND COGAN.

IMPROVEMENTS OF THE APPROACH AND SIGNAL FOR BABCOCK AT SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY.

AND I JUST LOST MY PAGE HOLD ON A SECOND.

AND THEN THE OTHER TWO WERE IMPROVEMENTS FOR MIRALOMA SEGMENT THAT COMES ALL THE WAY DOWN MERRILL LOMA.

IT TURNS INTO JOURNEY, AND THEN THE SEGMENT FROM JOURNEY ALL THE WAY TO THE INTERSECTION.

SO THOSE ARE THE FIVE PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE IMPROVEMENTS.

HOWEVER, THERE ARE ALSO ON ON THEIR DAY TO FINISH AND INSTALL THAT SIGNAL AT MIRALOMA AT BABCOCK THAT.

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ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

ANY ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM.

OKAY. SEEING NONE, I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASKING FOR A MOTION.

SO MOVED. SECOND.

MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. PASSES FOUR ZERO.

WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER 14 PUBLIC HEARINGS.

MADAM SMITH. ORDINANCE 20 2341 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TITLE 17.

LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHAPTER 185 ZONING CODE.

SUBCHAPTER DISTRICT REGULATIONS BY INCLUDING PROVISIONS FOR CAR WASHES AS A CONDITIONAL USE WITHIN GC GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT ZONING PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT.

HEREWITH, PROVIDING FOR INCLUSION IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY CODE OF ORDINANCES PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT THEIR CASE.

HI, GOOD EVENING. CHELSEA ANDERSON 1530 US HIGHWAY ONE ROCKLEDGE, FLORIDA 32955.

I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT ROYAL WALSH PSL LLC.

YES, WE'RE REQUESTING A CODE TEXTUAL AMENDMENT TO ALLOW CAR WASHES IN AS A CONDITIONAL USE IN THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.

CAR WASHES ARE ALREADY ALLOWABLE AS A CONDITIONAL USE IN HIGHWAY, COMMERCIAL AND IN COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS ACTUALLY A LESS INTENSIVE ZONING DISTRICT. SO WE'RE ASKING FOR THIS TEXTUAL AMENDMENT TO ADD IT TO GENERAL COMMERCIAL AS WELL.

WE DO HAVE A COMPANION APPLICATION FOR A CONDITIONAL USE FOR A CAR WASH IN GCC THAT WE WILL HOPEFULLY BE BACK HERE NEXT MONTH FOR THAT IF THIS TEXT AMENDMENT IS APPROVED.

WITH THAT, I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU. SO AND I KNOW WE'RE PROBABLY WITH MY QUESTION.

I'M PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE, BUT, UM, YOU SAID YOU HAD, YOU KNOW, YOUR COMMENTS WERE YOU HAD SOMETHING THAT YOU PLAN ON BRINGING. YES.

IN REGARDS TO THIS, IF THIS WERE TO GO THROUGH AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT SITE WOULD BE ON BABCOCK STREET AND MALABAR ROAD. YES.

AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER.

YEAH. AND SO RIGHT NOW THEIR BUSINESS IS THERE, CORRECT? YES, THERE ARE SOME BUSINESSES THERE.

THERE'S ALSO SOME VACANT LOTS.

IT'S FOUR PARCELS AND THAT WE WILL BE BRINGING WITH THE COMPANION CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION THAT IS SITE SPECIFIC.

SO HOW MANY BUSINESSES ARE CURRENTLY THERE NOW? DO YOU KNOW? UM, I WILL HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT.

I THINK THERE'S MAYBE TWO THAT ARE OPERATING.

TWO SMALL BUSINESSES.

YES. OKAY.

AND YOU HAVE FOUR VACANCIES.

WELL, THERE'S A VACANT LOT.

IT'S NOT ALL.

THERE'S NOT A BUILDING ON ALL OF IT.

SOME OF IT IS STORAGE.

YEAH. SOME OF IT'S JUST A GRASSY LOT.

SO ARE THEY LEASE MONTH TO MONTH? WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE BUSINESSES IS, I GUESS WHERE I'M GOING.

UM, WELL, I'LL HAVE TO CONSULT WITH THE OWNER ON WHAT THEIR LEASING SITUATION IS RIGHT NOW.

BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST HERE TRYING TO GET A TEXTUAL AMENDMENT RIGHT.

NO, I GET THAT. I'M PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE.

YES, I'M ASKING THESE QUESTIONS JUST IN THE IN THE EVENT THAT YOU DO KNOW, IN CASE YOU DO KNOW AS TO WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE TWO BUSINESSES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, THEIR JOBS THERE.

AND SO THAT THAT'S WHY I ASKED.

YES. THE I MEAN, THE PROPERTY OWNER, YOU KNOW, THEY THEY WILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE LEASES THAT ARE ON THE ON THE SITE RIGHT NOW AND FOLLOW THE LEASE TERMS. IF YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE UP FOR RENEWAL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THEY'LL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE LEASE TERMS. AND IF THERE IS A TERMINATION THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, THEN THEY'LL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE LEASE TERMS ON THAT AS WELL.

OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

YES, MAYOR? YES.

BECAUSE JUST JUST MY STANCE.

I THINK IF ANYTHING, WE SHOULD REMOVE SOME OF THE CRITERIA BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE ENOUGH CAR WASHES.

AND TO MY POINT.

UM, THIS, THIS SITE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

MAYOR, I SEE. IT'S.

IT'S 0.25 FROM YOU CAN CALL IT BILLS, CAR WASH.

YOU CAN CALL IT L L L CAR WASH.

BUT I JUST I'M LIKE, I'M ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CAPITALISM AND, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE BUSINESSES ARE SHARPENING ONE ANOTHER.

BUT I JUST I CAN'T SEE IT WITH THIS.

AND THEN YOU GO FURTHER DOWN.

BABCOCK THERE'S ANOTHER CAR WASH.

OR IF YOU GO FURTHER DOWN.

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SO I JUST, I HAVE CONCERNS, MA'AM.

I'M JUST BEING, JUST BEING HONEST WITH IT.

I TOLD STAFF MY CONCERNS TO MAYOR.

I'M JUST VOICING IT NOW, SO I REALLY CAN'T SEE MYSELF SUPPORTING THIS.

UM. UM, AND THAT'S.

THAT'S REALLY WHERE I STAND.

SO THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT.

WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TEXTUAL AMENDMENT.

RIGHT, SIR. I JUST WANT TO.

YES. FEEL THAT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ENOUGH OPPORTUNITIES WITHIN WITHIN THE HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL WITH WITH ALL THE COMMERCIALS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN IT THROUGH THAT. WE'VE SEEN IT THROUGH THE JUST THIS COUNCIL ALONE.

WE'VE APPROVED FOUR CAR WASHES PROBABLY IN THE PAST THREE, FOUR YEARS.

AND THERE'S APPARENTLY A LOT OF MONEY IN THAT.

YEAH. BUT YEAH, I, I WOULD ARGUE ON THAT A LITTLE BIT, SIR, BUT I JUST REALLY DON'T SEE FOR THE FOR THE OWNER. OKAY. YEAH.

YEAH. OKAY. YEAH, SIR. YEAH.

BUT JUST WITH THIS.

YEAH, I.

I APOLOGIZE, MA'AM, BUT I JUST.

I CAN'T. OKAY.

YES. SO TO BE CLEAR, WE ARE VOTING TONIGHT.

IT'S JUST ON THE TEXTUAL AMENDMENT.

THAT'S FOR ALL GENERAL COMMERCIAL.

YES. AND IT'S ALREADY AN ALLOWABLE USE IN A LESSER INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT.

OKAY. UH, DEPUTY MAYOR.

ANY COMMENTS? MAYOR? THANK YOU. I HAVE SEVERAL PROBLEMS WITH THIS REQUEST MYSELF.

WHICH YOU GUYS SOMEWHAT TOUCH ON BECAUSE I'M JUST THINKING OF THE INTERSECTION.

I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA.

THE THE FACILITY.

THE EXISTING FACILITY.

CURRENTLY, THERE'S A BIGGER OFFICE BUILDING, PLUS THERE'S A SMALLER ONE KIND OF ATTACHED.

MY CONCERN IS A A CAR WASH.

AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF GETTING AHEAD OF OURSELVES, BUT I JUST DON'T SEE THE THE NEED FOR MULTIPLE REASONS.

THE MAYOR KIND OF STARTED THAT QUESTIONING THAT ASPECT OF IT.

WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT INTERSECTION? THE EXISTING BUSINESSES OF HIS OFFICE IS, AT LEAST FOR I KNOW OF WITHIN THAT CORNER, THE SOLAR COMPANY INSURANCE OFFICE, BEAUTY SALON.

SO I FELT LIKE A BUSINESS LIKE THAT WOULD WOULD IMPEDE ON THEIR DAY TO DAY.

NUMBER ONE.

NUMBER TWO, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, PROXIMITY.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROXIMITY.

I'M NOT SURE WHO OR WHO THIS BUSINESS WOULD CATCH THOSE GOING HOME FROM US 1 TO 2 PALM BAY OR THOSE GOING, YOU KNOW, EAST AND THEY WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO THAT CORNER CAR WASH.

SO I COULD NOT SUPPORT THIS, THE TEXTURAL AMENDMENT PERSONALLY FOR THESE REASONS.

THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR COUNCILMAN FOSTER ANY COMMENTS ON ON ITEM 14, SIR? YES, I HAVE.

I HAVE A COMMENT, UM, BASED ON MY TWO COLLEAGUE STATEMENTS.

I MEAN, YOU HAVE A MCDONALD'S, YOU HAVE A BURGER KING RIGHT ACROSS EACH OTHER ON BABCOCK AND PALM BAY ROAD.

YOU GOT A PIZZA HUT OR KENTUCKY FRIED CHICKEN? YOU GET MY POINT. YOU GOT MORE THAN ONE RESTAURANT, A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT, AND THEY DO PRETTY GOOD IN BUSINESS AND TRAFFIC FLOW PRETTY GOOD.

BUT MY POINT IS, WHERE I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS WE SHOULDN'T BE GETTING IN WHERE THE BUSINESS SHOULD DO OR SHOULD NOT BE AT.

THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE AT HAND.

THE TEXT OF THE AMENDMENT IS THE ISSUE.

AND IF YOU COULD DO IT, ANOTHER AMENDMENT, YOU SHOULD BE YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO IN THIS.

SO I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS.

THE SOLEMN ORDER.

ON 20 2344.

I THINK WE'RE GETTING TOO FAR IN THE WEEDS AS FAR AS WHEN A BUSINESS WHICH CAR WASH IT SHOULDN'T BE CLOSE PROXIMITY.

APPARENTLY THIS IS NOT WASHINGTON, D.C.

OR NEW YORK CITY, WHERE MASS TRANSIT IS USED A LOT.

SO WE HAVE A LOT OF CARS IN PALM BAY.

WE HAVE A LOT OF HOMES AND A LOT OF APARTMENTS, AND PEOPLE USE THEIR CARS.

SO THEY'RE GOING TO NEED A PLACE TO WASH IT.

SO THAT'S THE WAY I SEE IT.

I THINK WE SHOULD APPROVE THIS IN THE ORDINANCE.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN FOSTER.

SO MY COMMENTS ARE AS FOLLOWS.

THERE ARE EXISTING BUSINESSES THERE.

RIGHT? AND I DO AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES ON BOTH SIDES HERE ON THIS ISSUE.

RIGHT. THE VERY FIRST IS COMPETITION IS IS THE MODE OF CAPITALISM.

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HE USED THE GREAT ANALOGY.

YOU GOT MCDONALD'S AND BURGER KING ACROSS THE STREET FROM EACH OTHER.

IT'S THE CONSUMER THAT DRIVES THAT, RIGHT.

SO I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE WITH THAT.

AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK WE ARE WE HAVE ENOUGH ALREADY THAT EXPOUNDS ON CAR WASHES.

AND FOR ME TO CHANGE THE TEXTUAL AMENDMENT, JUST TO ADD ANOTHER, I DON'T SUPPORT THAT.

I, I REALLY DON'T.

SO I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO WEIGH THAT IN THE TEXTUAL AMENDMENT IN AND OF ITSELF.

WE HAVE OTHER ZONINGS THAT QUALIFY FOR THAT.

SO NOT TAKING THAT ASIDE WITH THE PROPER ZONING, WITH THE RIGHT WHAT YOU HAVE TODAY, RIGHT.

IT COULD BE REMODELED, IT COULD BE RESTORED AND RECREATED WITHIN THE ZONING THAT YOU HAVE, EXISTING ZONING THAT YOU HAVE.

AND THAT'S WHY I WON'T SUPPORT THIS.

I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR CONCERNS.

I WILL REITERATE, WE'RE THIS ISN'T A SITE SPECIFIC APPLICATION RIGHT HERE.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A CODE TEXTUAL AMENDMENT THAT IS CITYWIDE.

WE WOULD APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, IF THIS DOES PASS, COME BACK WITH A SITE SPECIFIC PROJECT THAT WE COULD DISCUSS ALL OF THE DETAILS AND ADDRESS ALL OF YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT THAT AT THAT TIME.

YEAH, RIGHT NOW I DON'T SEE THAT.

MA'AM, ALL DUE RESPECT, I THINK EVEN EVEN IF I WENT DOWN, WE'RE TWO TWO, EVEN IF I SUPPORTED THIS.

BUT RIGHT NOW WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THE SUPPORT TO TO CHANGE THE THE TEXTUAL AMENDMENT.

WE DON'T HAVE THAT.

AND WE DID CONSIDER A REZONING IN THE APPLICATION MEETING.

STAFF DID SUGGEST THAT THEY WOULD BE MORE SUPPORTIVE OF A OF US DOING A TEXTUAL AMENDMENT, WHICH IS WHY WE WENT THIS ROUTE.

UNDERSTOOD. UNDERSTOOD.

SO RIGHT NOW I DON'T HAVE.

ARE THERE ANY COMMENT CARDS ON THIS OR ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? WE'LL LET THE PUBLIC SPEAK ON THIS.

ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? YES. YES, SIR. STEP FORWARD.

JOHNNY ELLIS 1239 VAN TASSEL TRAIL NORTHEAST PALM BAY I.

ON THE AMENDMENT ITSELF, I WOULD SIT ON THE ORDINANCE ITSELF.

I WOULD SAY IT IS GOING TOWARDS THE WHAT COUNCILMAN JOHNSON IS LOOKING FOR FOR SELF STORAGE UNITS.

I WOULD SAY IF WE CONTINUE TO BRING THIS MANY CAR WASHES INTO PALM BAY, IT WOULD END UP LIKE PLACES AROUND BREVARD BECAUSE IN MELBOURNE RIGHT NOW THERE'S MULTIPLE GOING IN ALL OVER.

JUST ON 192 ALONE.

I WOULD SAY THAT WE WOULD NEED TO SEPARATE IT LIKE SELF STORAGE FACILITIES BECAUSE IT IS JUST A, IN MY MIND, A GET RICH QUICK SITUATION WHERE IT IS A SELF SUSTAINABLE BUSINESS WITH LOW EMPLOYEES THAT DO NOT IMPACT IT AS THE WAY THAT THESE SMALL BUSINESSES BECAUSE I KNOW COUNCILMAN FELIX MENTIONED A COUPLE OF THEM, THERE'S ALSO A PAWN SHOP BECAUSE I FREQUENT THAT INTERSECTION MANY TIMES AS WELL.

I WOULD SAY THE THE ORDINANCE SHOULD NOT BE CHANGED.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE. I'M CLOSING THE.

PUBLIC HEARINGS AND ASKING FOR A MOTION EITHER WAY.

MOTION TO DENY ORDINANCE 2023.

DASH 41.

SECOND. I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE? AYE. ALL OPPOSE.

PASSES. MOTION PASSES.

3 TO 1. WE ARE NOW ON ITEM 15.

RESOLUTION 2023, DASH 18, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, GRANTING A CONDITIONAL USE TO ALLOW FOR A RETAIL STORE OCCUPYING MORE THAN 5000FT² OF GROSS FLOOR AREA IN NC NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICT ZONING, WHICH PROPERTY IS GENERALLY LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF JUPITER BOULEVARD AND GARVEY ROAD AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED HEREIN, GRANTING THE USE AS A CONDITIONAL USE AND PROVIDING CONDITIONS HEREIN, PROVIDING FOR A COMMENCEMENT PERIOD, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT THEIR CASE.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL JACK SPIRA 5205 BABCOCK STREET.

I REPRESENT THE APPLICANT CONCEPT DEVELOPMENT.

THIS IS SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS MATTER WE HEARD AGAIN THE ZONING IS NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL ALLOWS 5000FT² BY AS A MATTER OF RIGHT LOOKING FOR

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IT WAS ALSO RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL BY PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.

THE APPLICANT AGREED TO COMPLY WITH ALL THE REQUIREMENTS SET OUT IN THE BY THE PLANNING ZONING BOARD AND BY THIS BY THE STAFF.

THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO DO CERTAIN THINGS ON THE SITE.

HE IS. THEY HAVE AGREED TO MEET ALL SETBACKS, BUFFERS AND MAXIMUM BUILDING COVERAGE.

AGAIN, THERE'S 30% ALLOWED BY.

RIGHT AS FAR AS A BUILDING COVERAGE, THIS PROPERTY OR THIS CONSTRUCTION WILL BE 14%.

THEY WOULD ALSO CONSTRUCT A SIDEWALK ALONG GARVEY ROAD.

THEY WOULD PROVIDE APPROXIMATELY 350FT OF WATER, MAIN AND FORCE MAIN EXTENSION FROM FROM JUPITER BOULEVARD.

THEY WOULD ALSO PROVIDE A SIX FOOT, SIX FOOT WOOD FENCE ALONG THE SITE BOUNDARY THAT'S ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL HOUSING.

ONE OF THE ADJOINING RESIDENTS ASKED AT THE CITIZENS PARTICIPATION MEETING WHETHER THEY'D BE WILLING THE APPLICANT WOULD BE WILLING TO PLACE A FENCE ON THE BUFFER LINE IN LIEU OF ON THE PROPERTY LINE.

WE WOULD AGREE TO THAT IF THAT'S APPROVED BY GROWTH MANAGEMENT.

SO WE WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.

WE WOULD COMPLY WITH CITY SITE REQUIREMENTS UNDER 185 143 I'D LIKE TO INCORPORATE IN MY PRESENTATION THE APPLICATION FOR CONDITIONAL USE, THE STAFF REPORT, THE MINUTES OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD HEARING OF JUNE 7TH RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.

AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I'D LIKE TO HAVE AS WITNESSES AGAIN MR. DANIEL YOUNG, WHO'S A CIVIL ENGINEER, VICE PRESIDENT WITH H W W PROFESSIONAL CONSULTANTS IN GAINESVILLE, AND THEN MR. LARRY HAGEN, WHO'S THE TRAFFIC CONSULTANT WITH WITH HAGEN CONSULTING SERVICES.

I'D LIKE TO RESERVE THE TIME TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR RESPOND TO ANY ISSUES.

THANK YOU. AGAIN.

DANIEL YOUNG WAS THE C.H.W.

I'M A VICE PRESIDENT. I'M ALSO A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER REGISTERED IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

I HAVE 18 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE WITH COUNTLESS PROJECTS DESIGNED AND PERMITTED THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

I'VE DONE OVER 200 GENERALS IN MY CAREER AND PERMITTED THEM.

USE IT. THERE WE GO.

I'LL READ THROUGH THIS QUICKLY. I APOLOGIZE FOR THE REPEATING PORTION.

A PERMITTED USE THE ZONING FOR THIS ZONING DISTRICT FOR THIS IS NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL.

IT ALLOWS COMMERCIAL RETAIL STORES CONTAINING MORE THAN 5000FT² OF FLOOR AREA SUBJECT TO A CONDITIONAL USE IS WHY WE'RE HERE.

WE'LL MEET THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS RELATED TO SETBACKS, BUFFERS, MAXIMUM BUILDING COVERAGE.

AS WE JUST SAID, WE'RE ABOUT 14% APPROXIMATELY ON THIS SITE WITH AN ALLOWABLE OF 30%.

BUILDING COVERAGE WILL OBVIOUSLY PROVIDE SIDEWALKS ALONG.

GARVEY WE ARE GOING TO EXTEND A WATER MAIN AND A FORCE MAIN TO SERVE THE PROJECT, BUT ALSO FUTURE PROJECTS ABOUT 350FT APPROXIMATELY FROM JUPITER BOULEVARD. WE ALSO PUT A WOOD FENCE UP PRIVACY FENCE TO TO TO HELP WITH THE BUFFERING.

AS WE SAID BEFORE, WITH THE CITIZEN PARTICIPATION MEETING, THEY'D LIKE IT TO BE MOVED.

WE'LL WORK THAT OUT WITH STAFF IF THEY ALLOW THAT, WE WILL DO THAT.

PARKING AGAIN IS IS EXCESSIVE FOR WHAT OUR TENANTS USE IS MEETS THE CODE INTENT.

WE CAN MEET THE CODE INTENT, BUT WE ALSO HAVE A PARKING STUDY THAT WILL GET THE STAFF TO WORK OUT THOSE DETAILS.

AND ADDITIONALLY WE'LL COMPLY WITH SITE LIGHTING REQUIREMENTS AND MAKING SURE WE HAVE THOSE FULL CUT OFFS AT THE PROPERTY LINE WITH ZERO.

UM, THIS IS A COPY OF THE SITE PLAN.

THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN.

RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE A FULL ACCESS ONTO GARVEY ROAD WITH PARKING ADJACENT TO THE BUILDING AGAINST GARVEY.

AND PERPENDICULAR, AS YOU CAN SEE THERE, THE BUILDING IS AT 10,700 SQUARE FOOT STORE LOCATED IN ORANGE.

THE ZONING, AGAIN, IS NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL.

THE FUTURE LAND USE IS COMMERCIAL.

WE HAVE SHOWN 54 PARKING SPACES, BUT WE COULD REDUCE THAT QUITE A BIT, HELP WITH OUR IMPERVIOUS SURFACE RATIOS AS WELL.

AND THEN 1.75 ACRES IS THE PROJECT SIZE AREA.

WE PUT OUR STORMWATER TO THE REAR TO HELP WITH THE BUFFERING TO THE RESIDENTIALS.

ALSO WE HAVE OUR 25 FOOT BUFFER THAT IS REQUIRED WITH THE WOOD FENCE AS WELL.

AGAIN, A TRIP GENERATION COMPARISON.

WE'RE VERY COMPARABLE TO OTHER USES IN THE AREA.

A CONVENIENCE MARKET, A 5000 SQUARE FOOT THAT'S ALLOWED BY RIGHT WOULD GENERATE 3800 TRIPS VERSUS OUR 6681 TRIPS.

A WALK IN BANK AT 10,700FT² ALLOWED BY RIGHT WOULD PRODUCE MORE PM PEAK TRIPS THAN OUR PROPOSED COMMERCIAL RETAIL STORE.

THE LIBRARY AT 10,700FT² ALLOWED BY RIGHT WOULD PRODUCE 771 TRIPS VERSUS OUR 681.

THE SIT DOWN RESTAURANT AT 5000 IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT.

THE A M PEAK WOULD BE 48, WHICH IS MORE THAN OUR 33 THAT WE WOULD PRODUCE.

AND THE FAST CASUAL IS JUST BELOW THAT, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, BUT WE ARE COMPARABLE TO THOSE THOSE USES THAT ARE ALLOWED BY.

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THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT INTENDS TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR APPROVAL OF THE CONDITIONAL USES PER SECTION 185 .087 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT GENERATES A LOWER VEHICULAR TRAFFIC TRIPS THAN OTHER ALLOWED BY RIGHT USES, AND THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PROVIDES PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE, INCLUDING SIDEWALKS, WELL CROSSWALKS AND SIGNAGE AND WATER AND WASTEWATER EXTENSIONS AS WELL.

I'LL HAND IT OVER TO LARRY.

JUST A SECOND, SIR.

YES. YOU AND I REMEMBER YOUR FIRST TESTIMONY, BUT YOU REPEATED IT AGAIN.

YOU'VE YOU'VE BUILT OVER 200 OF THESE.

YES, CORRECT. AND SO I'M LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THE PREVIOUS ONE AND I'M LOOKING AT THIS ONE.

RIGHT. THIS IS AN ISOLATED CASE.

CAN WE GO BACK TO THE MAP, BRIAN? OH, OKAY. THAT ONE RIGHT THERE.

THE THE LAST.

AND WHAT'S INTERESTING TO ME, RIGHT, AND WHY I'M SO CURIOUS IS THE MAIN THOROUGHFARE THERE IS JUPITER BOULEVARD.

THAT'S THE MAIN THOROUGHFARE.

THE MAIN THOROUGHFARE.

ON THE OTHER ONE WAS THE GROUP.

RIGHT. THAT'S ALREADY DONE WITH.

BUT MY QUESTION IS, WHY IS IT THAT YOU GUYS PLAN IT NOT TO USE THAT MAIN THOROUGHFARE? IS IT TO SAVE THOSE IMPACT THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS? I'M JUST CURIOUS, WHY IS IT THAT YOU SHOULD BUILD IT WHERE THE ENTRANCE WOULD BE ON GARVEY AS OPPOSED TO THE MAIN THOROUGHFARE OF JUPITER BOULEVARD, WHERE YOU COULD HAVE A TURN LANE IN AND MAKE IT EASIER TO.

WHY IS IT? WELL, ONE THING WOULD BE IS THE TRAFFIC.

THERE'S PROBABLY MORE TRAFFIC.

AND LARRY CAN PROBABLY SPEAK TO THIS BETTER THAN I CAN AS WELL.

BUT DOING THE CONNECTION THERE, YOU'RE TRYING TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF OF CONNECTIONS ON MAJOR ROADS.

SO YOU WANT TO HAVE THE LOCAL LOCAL ROADS AND THE COLLECTOR ROADS UTILIZE FOR OUR ACCESS IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK THEY PREFER.

IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A REQUIRED, IT'S ALSO TO AND ANOTHER USER COULD COME IN THERE BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'RE PURCHASING ALL OF THIS.

WE ARE NOT PURCHASING ALL OF THE PROPERTY.

WE'RE PURCHASING THIS PIECE OF THE PROPERTY.

SO ANOTHER DEVELOPER COULD COME IN AND OBVIOUSLY CONNECT POTENTIALLY TO JUPITER, BUT THEY COULD ALSO CONNECT TO GARVEY AS WELL.

I THINK THE NEXT CONNECTION WOULD PROBABLY BE TO JUPITER, PROBABLY AWAY FROM THE INTERSECTION AS FAR AS POSSIBLE, BECAUSE THAT'S FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE YOU'D WANT TO DO. SO IT'S IN THIS SITUATION, THIS IS WHERE THEY SELECTED AND WE'RE ABLE TO WORK A DEAL WITH THE LANDOWNER TO PURCHASE THAT PROPERTY.

BUT I DON'T KNOW ALL THE DETAILS OF THAT, BUT.

MR. WEBER AND THAT'S A FOUR WAY STOP SIGN, RIGHT? THAT INTERSECTION IS A FOUR WAY STOP SIGN SO THAT YOU KNOW THAT THAT MAY BE ANOTHER TRAFFIC ISSUE.

BUT I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF YOU HAD AN ANSWER BEING THAT YOU ALREADY DEVELOPED SO MANY OF THESE.

SURE. AND I WILL SAY MOST OF MY STORES, DEPENDING ON WHAT KIND OF ROAD THEY ACCESS OFF OF, A LOT OF THEM DO NOT HAVE TURN LANES THAT I HAVE DESIGNED OVER MY CAREER, ONES ON DOT ROADS WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF TRIPS.

YOU MIGHT HAVE A RIGHT TURN LANE OR A DIRECTIONAL LEFT COMING INTO IT.

BUT IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS WHERE IT'S MORE OF A LOCAL, MAYBE COLLECTOR ROAD, YOU DON'T TYPICALLY SEE IT ON MOST OF THE STORES THAT I'VE DONE IN MY CAREER.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

AGAIN. LAWRENCE HAGEN, TRAFFIC ENGINEER, 37 YEARS EXPERIENCE.

I'VE WORKED ALL OVER FLORIDA AND I'M GOING TO LOOK AT THE.

GRAPHIC ASPECT OF IT.

THE LEFT TURN LANE AGAIN, NOT WARRANTED.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE CHART THERE, THE BLUE LINE IS NOT EVEN SEEN.

IT'S SO FAR OUT THERE UP TO THE RIGHT, IT'S NOT EVEN IN THE SCALE.

SO, AGAIN, IS IT WARRANTED? IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE.

SO, YOU KNOW, A BIG PART OF THAT IS, AS YOU MENTIONED, IN THAT INTERSECTION, THE INTERSECTION STILL OPERATES AT A VERY GOOD LEVEL OF SERVICE WITH THE EXISTING CONFIGURATION, WITH THE PROJECT TRIPS ADDED TO IT.

SO IT STILL OPERATES, I THINK, LEVEL OF SERVICE B EVEN WITH THE PROJECT TRIPS ADDED TO IT.

AGAIN, THE LEFT TURN LANE, NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BEING WARRANTED HERE.

ONE OF THE THINGS, AS YOU MENTIONED, IT'S AN ALL WAY STOP AT THAT INTERSECTION.

SO ALL THE VEHICLES COMING TOWARDS THAT INTERSECTION ARE SLOWING DOWN BECAUSE THEY'RE COMING TO A STOP.

ALL THE VEHICLES COMING OUT OF THAT INTERSECTION ARE MOVING SLOWLY BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST ACCELERATING FROM A STOP.

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AGAIN, AS WE GET TO THE PM PEAK PERIOD, YOU CAN FINALLY SEE THE BLUE LINE.

BUT AGAIN, OF COURSE IT'S NOWHERE CLOSE TO BEING WARRANTED EITHER AM OR PM PEAK.

JUST NOT WARRANTED.

SAME THING WITH THE RIGHT TURN LANE.

YOU CAN SEE THE BLUE LINE, THE LEFT.

I MEAN THE LITTLE RED ARROW IS SO FAR OFF TO THE LEFT AGAIN, IT'S INVISIBLE.

YOU CAN'T SEE IT. SO RIGHT TURN LANES REALLY AREN'T WARRANTED.

AND IN THE PM PEAK, YOU CAN SEE THERE IS THE RED TRIANGLE, THE BLUE LINE.

AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE.

AND SO AGAIN, TURN LANES REALLY AREN'T WARRANTED INTO THIS.

AND AGAIN, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SLOW TRAFFIC SPEEDS IN BOTH DIRECTIONS BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY OF THAT ALL WAY STOP INTERSECTION.

ALL RIGHT. SO THOSE JUST NOT TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT WHAT I'M ENVISIONING HERE IS THOSE DOLLAR GENERAL SEMIS THAT GO IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. SO FOR THERE TO BE NO TRAFFIC LIGHT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, I'M REALLY CONCERNED WITH THAT.

BUT CARRY ON. OKAY.

YEAH. LIKE I SAID, THE TURN LANES AREN'T REALLY WARRANTED IN EITHER DIRECTION.

AS REGARDS TO THE SEMIS.

THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THEY DO IN THE SITE DESIGN IS FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET THE SEMIS IN AND OUT OF THERE AND THEY'LL PROBABLY BE COMING SOUTH, COMING IN THERE, AND THEY CAN TURN AROUND IN THE PROPERTY AND KEEP DOING THAT.

GETTING BACK OUT SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE FOR THEM AS WELL, BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS CONSIDERED IN THE DESIGN OF THE PARKING LOTS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL.

WELL, I GUESS MY AND I'M NOT SURE MR. BATES IS GOING TO COME UP. I'M ALMOST CERTAIN HE'S GOING TO COME UP.

UM, SINCE WE'VE PAID FOR GARVEY, GARVEY HAS BECOME A A SPEEDWAY, ESSENTIALLY.

SO MY MY ONLY THING.

IS PEOPLE TURNING IN AND SOME LIKE.

AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THE DRIVERS PAYING ATTENTION.

BUT THE CONCERN OF TURNING IN AND SOMEBODY BEHIND YOU, DO YOU FOLLOW WHERE I'M COMING FROM? I KNOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD VERY WELL.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT'S.

UM, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK.

I DON'T THINK. UM, THE STUDY WILL SHOW THAT.

BUT JUST FROM US BEING HERE AND SEEING THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC TO AND FROM, THAT'S JUST A CONCERN.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SPEAK TO THAT.

THE RESIDENTS ON THAT COURT, THEY.

YEAH. COMPLAINED ABOUT THE SPEED.

YES. LIKE I SAID, AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S A PART, PART OF ACCOUNTABILITY AS DRIVING THE SPEED LIMIT AND BEING AWARE OF YOUR SURROUNDINGS.

BUT AT THE SAME TOKEN.

MAKING THAT TURN AND I COULD SEE IT POTENTIALLY BACKING UP AND.

OH, YEAH. BOTH DIRECTIONS. YEAH, HE'S TALKING ABOUT A LEFT TURN.

I'M JUST HAVING. I'M HAVING THE DIALOG, SIR.

RIGHT NOW AMONGST AMONGST YOU, AMONGST THE PUBLIC AND THE COLLEAGUES, BECAUSE THAT'S.

I SEE IT BEING AN ISSUE.

I DO SEE IT BEING AN ISSUE.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ADDRESS IT CORRECTLY, BUT I DO WANT TO VOICE MY OPINION ON IT.

SO THAT'S THAT'S ALL.

MAYOR PERHAPS WHEN WE'RE READY, WE CAN ASK OUR CITY ENGINEER TO COME UP WHEN YOU'RE READY.

YEP. AFTER EVERYBODY ELSE SPEAKS, SIR.

BUT. YES, SIR.

ARE YOU? DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR PRESENTATION, SIR? THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU. MR. SPEAKER. ANYONE ELSE? OR AT THIS POINT, IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ISSUES COME UP, CERTAINLY I'D LIKE TO RESPOND IF POSSIBLE.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN.

JOHNSON. ARE YOU READY? DO YOU HAVE IF EVERYBODY ELSE IS READY, I WANT TO GIVE THE FLOOR TO EVERYBODY.

I MEAN, I SHARE THE SAME PRETTY MUCH.

I THINK THERE'S A SOME LEVEL OF CONSENSUS IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE CONCERN.

IT'S NOT SO FAR FROM THE OTHER ONE AS FAR AS THE LANE THAT THOSE ARE THE CHALLENGES I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH WITH WITH THAT AREA. IN FACT, I HAVE FAMILY THAT LIVES TWO STREETS SOUTH OF THIS VERY PROJECT.

UM, WALKABILITY IN THIS AREA IS A PROBLEM.

WE HAVE NO SIDEWALKS.

I HAVE AN ELDERLY.

NOT THAT I KNOW OF.

WALKING TO THE GAS STATION UP THE STREET.

IT'S AN ISSUE.

YOUNG KIDS.

AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT THINKING NOW.

WE'RE THINKING 20 YEARS FROM NOW OR TEN YEARS AT THE RATE WE'RE GROWING.

SO IT IS A STRUGGLE FOR ME.

AS MUCH AS WE'RE BUSINESS FRIENDLY, WE WANT TO BE BUSINESS FRIENDLY.

BUT IT'S TRULY A STRUGGLE FOR ME APPROVING THIS PROJECTS.

BUT THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR.

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ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

UM, MADAM CHAIRMAN, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE STAFF'S INPUT ON THIS.

YES, SIR. I'LL HAVE OUR CITY ENGINEER COME UP.

SO, MR. WATANABE. GOOD EVENING, NABI.

YEAH, WE'VE.

WE'VE. AND I GUESS YOU WANT TO STATE YOUR CREDENTIALS.

CITY ENGINEER. YEAH, I'M THE CITY ENGINEER.

AND I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE TRAFFIC STUDY WAS DONE, AND MR. HAYDEN HAS VERIFIED LEFT TURNS.

RIGHT TURNS. NOT NEEDED. NOT WARRANTED.

THE ALWAYS STOPS NOT WARRANTED YET.

BUT AGAIN, IN THE FUTURE WE ALL KNOW GARBAGE ARE ONE OF OUR MAJOR NORTH SOUTH CONNECTORS IS GOING TO BE GARBAGE IS GOING TO GO ALL THE WAY DOWN.

IT'S NOT GOING TO STOP AT GARBAGE MEN.

IT'S GOING TO GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO BOMBARDIER.

SO THAT'S GOING TO BE OUR NEXT NEW CORRIDOR.

AND THE PROJECTIONS SHOWN IS GOING TO GO ALL THE WAY UP TO MALABAR.

MALABAR PD IS GOING TO SHOW A SIGNAL THERE.

MORE LIKELY THERE'S GOING TO BE A SIGNAL THERE AT JUPITER.

OUR RECENT TRAFFIC STUDIES THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IN THE SOUTHEAST AND NORTHWEST, THE NORTHWEST IDENTIFIED THAT JUPITER, THIS SEGMENT OF JUPITER FROM MALABAR TO GARVEY, NEEDS TO BE FOUR LANED.

SO IT'S ALREADY CREEPING UP.

SO AGAIN, THEY'RE LOOKING AT A SMALL WINDOW OF CURRENT TRAFFIC.

WE'RE LOOKING AT A LARGER WINDOW AND THESE AREAS ARE GOING TO GROW AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE IMPACTED TODAY.

YOU'RE RIGHT, THEY DON'T MEET THE WARRANTS, BUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS LOOK INTO THE FUTURE AND THE FUTURE IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER BECAUSE THEY'RE SAYING THESE STUDIES ARE JUST NOW IDENTIFYING NEW FOUR LANE ROADS THAT'S GOING TO BE NEEDED.

SO JUST JUST TO I WANT YOU TO REPEAT THAT FROM MALABAR MALABAR TO GARVEY GARVEY, FOUR LANE, FOUR LANES.

AND THEN THAT CORRIDOR IS GOING TO GROW ALL THE WAY.

THAT'S RIGHT. SO RIGHT NOW THEY'RE BLEEDING INTO THE SYSTEMS. OUR SYSTEMS ARE GOING TO SHOW IN THE FUTURE AS WE GET TO OUR NETWORKS AND OUR IN OUR MAJOR COLLECTORS AND OUR ARTERIALS.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE GARVEY AS OUR NEXT HUGE MAJOR COLLECTOR HEADING SOUTH ALL THE WAY TO BOMBARDIER AND THEN CONTINUE ON MAYBE INTO THE COMPOUND AREA.

YOU KNOW, I FREQUENT THAT FOUR WAY STOP SIGN.

AND FOR FOR ANYONE TO TELL ME THAT A TRAFFIC LIGHT ISN'T WARRANTED TODAY, IT BACKS UP IN THE MORNING.

IN THE AFTERNOON. YEAH. I'M NOT A I'M NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER, BUT I KNOW PRACTICAL APPLICATION AND I CAN TELL YOU THEY COULD BENEFIT FROM NOT ONLY A TRAFFIC LIGHT THERE, BUT ALSO EVEN TODAY, ETERNALLY.

SO I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.

ANY QUESTIONS? DEPUTY MAYOR SO, SO HEARING THE DIALOG, HEARING WHERE COUNCIL IS COMING FROM, HEARING THAT YOU'RE ON THE SAME PAGE, DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS MOVING FORWARD YOU PROVIDED? I FELT LIKE YOU PROVIDED A GREAT SUGGESTION ON THE LAST ITEM.

THE OTHER ONE HAS THIS, BUT HAD A LOT OF ISSUES REGARDING THE CURB, THE SAFETY, YOU KNOW, THE VOLUME ON DEGROOT.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 8000 CARS AND WE KNOW THE AREA OF UNIT 30 WAS GOING TO GROW AS A GATEWAY INTO THE COMPOUND, GATEWAY INTO 49.

LOTS OF ISSUES THAT THEY'RE NOT AWARE OF.

YOU KNOW, WE KNOW IT BECAUSE WE'RE HERE.

THIS AREA IS GOING TO HAVE THE SAME BUT NOT AS RAPID.

THE VOLUME ON ON GARVEY RIGHT NOW IS ABOUT 3000.

BUT JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, TWO YEARS GOES JUST ABOUT 21.

IT JUMPED 1000 MORE TRIPS AND IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE.

SO, AGAIN, THERE'S ANOTHER CORRIDOR GROWING.

SO WE NEED TO KEEP OUR EYES ON THESE CORRIDORS.

SO THE ISSUE WOULD BE CHALLENGING TO HAVE THEM PUT IN A SIGNAL WHICH IS NOT WARRANTED OR LEFT TURNS OR RIGHT TURNS WHICH ARE NOT WARRANTED.

BUT IT'S SOMETHING IF YOU'RE REALLY INTO LIKE SIDEWALKS AND WALKABILITY, I THINK IS A GOOD IDEA.

I THINK THEY NEED TO LIGHT UP THAT AREA.

I HIGHLY LIKED YOUR IDEA, WHY THEY CHOSE WHY DIDN'T THEY CHOSE THE INTERSECTION CORNER, YOU KNOW, MAKES ALL THE SENSE.

AND COME OFF OF JUPITER, WHICH IS AN ARTERIAL.

SO BUT AGAIN, WE'RE DOING WITH WHAT WE GET.

AND SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO GET AS MUCH WALKABILITY LIGHTING THE TURN LANES WOULD BE VERY CHALLENGING BECAUSE THEY'RE SAYING THE LOW VOLUMES.

I DON'T SEE THE SAME SAFETY ISSUES AS WE SAW DOWN THERE, YOU KNOW, ON DEGROOT AND SAN FILIPPO.

AND YOU KNOW, TO THAT TO THAT POINT, COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, THESE SEMIS, THAT DOLLAR GENERAL, BECAUSE THE ONLY WAY YOU'VE GOT ONE ON JUPITER NORTHWEST AND THEN YOU HAVE ONE ON MALABAR, THAT SAME TRUCK MAY BE TURNING FROM MALABAR ON TO GARVEY, IT WILL BE DRIVING ALL THE WAY DOWN AND THEN MAKING THAT RIGHT TURN INTO THE LEAGUE WHERE IT SHOULD BE ON JUPITER, CORRECT? IT LITERALLY SHOULD BE.

SO THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING, WHY IS THE CONFIGURATION? I THINK THEIR BUSINESS MODELS ARE LOOKING AT THESE SMALLER LOCAL STREETS.

BUT, YOU KNOW, MY COMMON SENSE FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT IS WHY AREN'T YOU ON THE ARTERIALS WHERE THE TRAFFIC BELONGS? SIR. THANK YOU.

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THERE'S A LOT OF STUDENTS.

THE MORE CONNECTIVITY WE COULD PROVIDE WITH WALKABILITY, WITH SIDEWALKS, IT WOULD BE GREAT LIGHTING.

THE INTERSECTION IS DARK.

ANY BACKGROUND LIGHTING THEY COULD SHARE OUT? AGAIN, BECAUSE PER OUR ORDINANCE, WE CAN'T HAVE COMMERCIAL ONTO RESIDENTIAL.

BUT AS MUCH BACKGROUND AS YOU CAN CREATE INSIDE THEIR FACILITIES IN THE PARKING LOT WOULD ILLUMINATE THAT AREA.

SO MY MY FIRST CONCERN WOULD BE CAN THEY RECONFIGURE AND USE JUPITER BOULEVARD AS A I DON'T THINK THEY PURCHASED THAT LAND.

I THINK THEY PURCHASED THE ONE THAT'S BEHIND IT.

IT'S THE ONE SOUTH. YEAH.

SO THEY DON'T OWN THE WHOLE I'M NOT SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THEM, SO.

OKAY. DO YOU, MR. SPEER, DO YOU OWN. THAT'S CORRECT.

NO, THEY DO NOT OWN THAT.

THE THE THE OWNER DID NOT SELL THAT, BUT THEY DO NOT OWN THAT PROPERTY.

SO IT WAS THE OWNER HAD ALL OF THAT.

BUT HE SPLIT THAT UP. THAT'S CORRECT.

HE WOULDN'T WOULDN'T SELL THAT PARCEL.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER SPEAKER CARDS? MR. BILL BATTEN.

BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST.

AGAIN, THIS IS THE SECOND CONDITIONAL USE FOR AN INCREASE IN THE FLOOR SQUARE FOOTAGE.

SO MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK AT OUR ORDINANCE, RIGHT? NEXT ITEM AS IT WAS BROUGHT OUT.

GARVEY ROAD IS SUPPOSED TO BE A COLLECTOR ROAD.

AND AS WE KNOW AT THIS STATE, TRAFFIC IS ALREADY HAVING TO GO OFF THE STREET.

WHEN YOU WHEN YOU COME UPON A DUMP TRUCK OR ANYTHING ELSE, NOW YOU START WAITING UNTIL WE HAVE A SEMI COMING DOWN THERE, GOING TO THE OTHER ONE DOWN, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BIGGER PROBLEM. BUT WE PUT SOME OF THE BLAME ON THAT ON THE CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE YOU OPENED UP GAYNOR ROAD.

YOU TOOK DOWN THE TRAFFIC CALMING MECHANISM THAT WAS ON GAYNOR ROAD, WHICH ALLOWED THE PEOPLE FROM THE BAYSIDE LAKES AREA TO AVOID THE PRIMARY COLLECTOR ROADS.

THEY GO ON TO THE SUB SIDE STREETS AND THEY GO UP GAYNOR ROAD, CUT THROUGH ONTO GARVEY ROAD AND CUT UP THAT WAY.

AND THEY'RE USING IT AS A COLLECTOR ROAD, EVEN THOUGH NONE OF THE CITY'S IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE FOR IT.

SO JUST BEING USED AS ONE.

BUT IT'S NOT YOU WAIT TILL WE GET IT CONNECTED UP ONTO BOMBARDIER AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

FROM THEN IT'S GOING TO BE EVEN WORSE.

THE ROAD IS SO NARROW AS IT IS NOW.

REMEMBER, I BROUGHT UP PREVIOUSLY ABOUT TRAFFIC AND PROPERTY THAT CAME INTO GARVEY AND GAYNOR ROAD BECAUSE IT EXTENDS OUT INTO IT.

THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM WE'RE FACING ON GARVEY NOW IS BECAUSE THE PROPERTY OWNERS OWNED INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY.

SO THEY HAD TO MAKE ROADS VERY NARROW.

AND GARVEY IS ONE OF THEM, EVEN THOUGH IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A COLLECTOR.

RIGHT. SO EVEN IF THEY DON'T GET TO THE POINT THAT WE HAVE A COLLECTOR ROAD CAPABILITY FOR THEM, WE STILL NEED TO BE FOCUSING ON BUILDING INTO THE FUTURE, BECAUSE IF IT'S A PRIMARY COLLECTOR, THERE IS NOT ANOTHER ROAD THAT GOES NORTH AND SOUTH IN PALM BAY.

THEN THAT ROAD FROM EVERYTHING OUT FROM THE SAINT JOHNS FLOODPLAIN IN, THAT'S THE ONLY ROAD THAT GOES NORTH AND SOUTH, THE ONLY ONE.

SO. AT THIS POINT, WE SHOULD AT LEAST BE ASKING IF THE DEVELOPMENT COMES THROUGH, IF THE BUILDER COMES THROUGH, THAT WE AT LEAST BUILD FOR THE FUTURE EXPANSION OF THAT ROAD.

MAYBE EVEN IF IT'S NOT AT THEIR EXPENSE, THE FACT THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY AVAILABLE FOR THAT INSTEAD OF THEIR BUSINESS BEING RIGHT AT THE MAXIMUM THEY HAVE, LET'S HAVE IT SET BACK ENOUGH THAT WE CAN EXPAND THIS ROAD BECAUSE WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO.

AND THE TRAFFIC LIGHT. NOW IT'S A FOUR WAY STOP.

LIKE YOU SAY IT NOW, THAT MEANS SOMEBODY WANTING TO GO TO THEIR STORE HAS TO STOP AT THE STOP SIGN, TURN RIGHT, PULL INTO THE UNIT, PULL OUT AND STOP AT THE STOP SIGN AND GO AGAIN. TRAFFIC LIGHT IS WARRANTED.

NEXT ITEM, RUNNING OUT OF TIME.

THEY ASKING FOR A 20% REDUCTION OF THEIR PARKING SPACE.

THEY INCREASE THEIR FLOOR PLAN BY 100%.

YOU WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT THEIR PARKING REQUIREMENT WOULD HAVE ALSO NEEDED TO INCREASE.

BUT I'M RUNNING OUT OF TIME.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WISH I HAD MORE TIME BECAUSE I HAD A LOT OF INPUT ON THIS ONE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE? ANY OTHER SPEAKER CARDS? OKAY. DID YOU WANT TO REBUT AND COMPLETE YOUR PRESENTATION, MR. SPEER? YES. THANK YOU. AND I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN AS FAR AS GROWTH.

I MEAN, CERTAINLY SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE DOWN THE FUTURE.

CERTAINLY IN THIS CASE, THE DEVELOPER PAYS IMPACT FEES.

SO THAT'S SUPPOSEDLY GO FOR FUTURE.

IN TALKING TO THE TO THE CLIENT, I KNOW THERE'S A CONCERN RAISED ABOUT SIDEWALKS, FOR EXAMPLE, HE INDICATED THAT THEY'D BE WILLING TO I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO PUT A SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF IN FRONT OF THEIR SITE.

AND ALSO THEY WOULD RUN THAT SIDEWALK ALL THE WAY TO JUPITER FOR SOME SORT OF FUTURE GROWTH TO TO TRY TO TO TRY TO HANDLE THAT PART.

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BUT CERTAINLY TO TO TO DO THEIR TO DO SO, I'M SURE THEY ARE EXTENDING THE WATER AND SEWER LINES ALREADY.

THEY WILL GO AHEAD AND GO AHEAD AND PUT A SIDEWALK ALL THE WAY TO TO JUPITER.

BUT CERTAINLY THAT'S LIMITED AS TO WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH IT AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

SO THE TRAFFIC LIGHT ISSUE IS NO.

AND THEN WHAT ABOUT THE PARKING THAT THE CONSTITUENT RAISED REGARDING 100% INCREASE IN JUST 20%? CAN YOU TALK TO THAT? SURE. DANIEL YOUNG AGAIN.

RIGHT NOW WE HAVE I THINK IT'S 54 SPACES THAT IS REQUIRED BY CODE.

WE HAVE A PARKING STUDY THAT SHOWS IN OUR TENANT THAT WANTS 35 SPACES.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE A STUDY THAT PROVES THAT THAT 35, THEY ACTUALLY DON'T NEED 35, THEY ACTUALLY CAN USE LESS THAN THAT.

AND WE'VE DONE THAT ACROSS STORES ACTUALLY IN THE CITY.

SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOME STUDIES THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY DONE HERE LOCALLY THAT CAN BE UTILIZED TO HELP WITH THAT.

BUT IT'S IT'S JUST IT'S NOT JUSTIFIED WITH THAT.

IT ALSO HELPS WITH YOUR IMPERVIOUS SURFACE RATIO.

WE'RE TRYING TO DECREASE AS MUCH ASPHALT AS WE CAN IN GENERAL JUST IN IN GOOD ENGINEERING TERMS. WE WANT TO DO THAT.

AND IF WE DON'T NEED IT, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE A WASTE TO SIT THERE ON A SITE AND JUST COLLECT HEAT AND ABSORB HEAT AS OPPOSED TO NATURAL GRADE AND GRASS AND STORMWATER AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO. OKAY. THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME. ALL RIGHT.

DOES THAT CONCLUDE TRY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR THERE'S ANY OTHER ISSUES WE CAN DISCUSS? QUESTIONS. COUNCILMAN.

JOHNSON. I DO APPRECIATE THIS WALKABILITY WITH THE SIDEWALKS.

I DIDN'T KNOW I WAS WAITING TO SEE IF DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX WAS GOING TO TOUCH IN ON LIGHT VISIBILITY OR NOT.

CERTAINLY. WELL, TO TO MR. WATANABE MADE IT CLEAR IN TERMS OF LIGHTING, WE CAN ONLY PUT SO MUCH LIGHTING BEING IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA.

WE GET THAT THE ASK IS TO MAKE SURE YOUR THE PROPERTY THE SITE IS IS LIT UP ENOUGH TO WHERE IT CREATES IT JUST, YOU KNOW, ENHANCE THE AREA.

RIGHT. WE'LL COMPLY WITH ALL YEAH I THINK A LOT OF THAT WILL BE HANDLED DURING SITE SITE PLAN APPROVAL ALSO.

BUT CERTAINLY THEY WILL COMPLY WITH WHATEVER THE REQUIREMENTS ARE AS FAR AS SITE SITE LIGHTING ON IT.

THE OTHER CONSIDERATION, I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THERE'S WILLINGNESS TO TAKE THE SIDEWALKS UP TO JUPITER.

THAT'S RIGHT. IS THERE A POSSIBILITY WE CAN EXTEND IT TO THE SOUTH, TO THE VERY NEXT STREET, THE CLOSEST STREET, WHICH IS PROBABLY A FEW FEET? I'M NOT SURE HOW LONG THAT WOULD BE.

WE HAVE A SIMILAR SITUATION WITH THE ROOF WHERE THE DEVELOPER WAS EVEN WILLING TO GO AS FAR AS SO WHICH IS NOT WON'T MAKE THAT THAT MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE BECAUSE TO THE SOUTH OF YOUR DRIVEWAY.

RIGHT. SO YEAH WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT WE CAN DO THAT TO THE VERY NEXT STREET.

OKAY. OKAY. THAT'S GOOD FOR ME.

SO I CAN.

I'LL TAKE THAT. COUNCILMAN FOSTER.

AND NO COMMENT, MAYOR.

THANK YOU. DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR PRESENTATION, SIR? OKAY, SO I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND.

AND ASK FOR A MOTION.

MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2023 DASH 18, WITH THE EXCEPTION TO ADD X AMOUNT OF FEET OF SIDEWALKS TO THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY, TO THE VERY NEXT STREET AND TO THE NORTH UP TO JUPITER, AND ALSO APPROPRIATE LIGHTING TO THE SITE.

SECOND. GOT A MOTION BY.

DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON OR DEPUTY MAYOR OF FELIX AND SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON DEPUTY MAYOR, YOU WANT TO YOU MADE THE MOTION YOU WANTED TO SHARE.

CERTAINLY. AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IT'S I THINK WE HAVE AMPLE DISCUSSION AS TO WHERE WE ARE.

WE SHARED IT'S IT'S ABOUT COMPROMISING THE DEVELOPER SHOW WILLINGNESS TO WORK WITH US IN TERMS OF SOME OF OUR ASKS THE CHALLENGE WE HAVE WITH THE SIZE OF THAT STREET TURNING LANES I WANTED TO LEAN TOWARDS THAT BUT I'M WILLING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT BASED ON THE CONSIDERATION OF THE SIDEWALKS AND PROPERLY LIT, YOU KNOW, PROPER LIGHTING ON THE ON THE SITE.

BE WILLING TO SUPPORT IT.

COUNT COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. AND TO ADD TO THAT, LOOKING AT I APPRECIATE THE EXPLANATION ON PARKING, BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT A DOLLAR GENERAL, PEOPLE ARE TYPICALLY IN THERE TEN MINUTES, 15 MINUTES MAX AND OUT.

SO THERE'S NO SO YOU DON'T WANT TO JUST WASTE THAT SPACE WHEN YOU COULD HAVE HAD GREEN SPACE.

[04:00:03]

THAT'S PART OF THAT.

SO I ACTUALLY APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION ON THAT ASPECT OF IT.

UM, BUT TO THAT END, I WANT TO.

I WANT TO BECAUSE I WITNESSED A LOT OF THESE IN OPERATION, RIGHT? YES, SIR. I'VE SEEN SEMIS TAKE UP ALL THAT PARKING SPACE AS THEY COME IN.

AS THEY COME OUT, AS THEY THEY'RE REMOVING THEIR, YOU KNOW, THEIR PRODUCT.

UM, SO I HAVE SEEN A CHALLENGE ON THE MALABAR ROAD.

WHEN THAT BIG SEMI COMES THROUGH.

AND I THINK THEY LEARNED FROM THAT ON THE JUPITER ROAD, THE JUPITER BOULEVARD ONE IN THE NORTHWEST SECTION, THEY HAVE THAT AMPLE SPACE NOW TO TO MAKE THAT TURN IN AND OUT.

BUT IT TAKES UP THE WHOLE PARKING LOT, YOU KNOW, SO I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

BUT TYPICALLY WHAT TIME OF THE DAY OR IS I SEEN THEM IN THE EVENING, SIR.

I'VE SEEN THEM EVEN DURING THE DAY.

OKAY. JUST DEPENDS ON WHEN THE TRUCK ROLLS IN.

WHEN THE TRUCK. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. BUT YOUR POINT IS TAKEN, SIR.

I WASN'T. HERE'S HERE'S WHERE YOU CAN.

WELL, HERE'S WHERE I'M AT, GUYS.

I'M. I'M LIKE, UM.

FOR ME.

I'M STUCK ON THE JUPITER, RIGHT? EVEN THOUGH THEY DON'T OWN THAT PROPERTY.

AND I'M ALSO STUCK ON.

I AGREE WITH THE COMPROMISE.

RIGHT. WITH THE LIGHTING AND THE SIDEWALKS.

UM. ISSUE ALSO IS WHETHER OR NOT.

THEY'RE HELPING US WITH THE TRAFFIC IN THE FUTURE.

SO I'M I'M ALSO STUCK ON THE RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION THAT.

MASTER CHIEF BATTEN MENTIONED, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT GARVEY'S GOT TO BE FOUR LANED AT SOME POINT, RIGHT? SO ARE WE.

ARE WE? IS THAT PART OF THE MOTION WHERE WE HAVE ENOUGH RIGHT OF WAY? I DON'T KNOW. MAYBE I CAN HAVE CAN I HAVE HIM COME BACK UP? WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC CLOSE IT.

SO BUT THAT THAT'S AN AREA CONCERN FOR ME.

RIGHT. SO A SETBACK.

WHAT'S THE CURRENT SETBACK RIGHT NOW? WELL, ACCORDING ACCORDING TO THIS, IT'S 35FT, I THINK 35 STREET FROM THE CROWN.

PROPERTY? WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WASN'T CLEAR ON.

IT COULD BE A DIAGONAL.

YOU SEE THE MAP HERE? OH, JUST LOST IT.

SEE THE MAP. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M CONCERNED WITH.

RIGHT. AND IN BUILDING OR IS THE RIGHT OF WAY ON THE OTHER SIDE.

SO THAT THAT'S AN AREA.

SO THOSE ARE MY THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS.

WE COULD BE GOOD, MAYOR.

YEAH. CAN YOU CAN YOU HAVE THE CITY ATTORNEY SPEAK ON THIS? YEAH. WELL, CAN I, MADAM ATTORNEY? NOW, I WAS JUST MENTIONING THAT WE DO LAND ACQUISITION ALL THE TIME AND IT'S NOT A PART OF ANY PARTICULAR LAND USE CHANGE.

IF THERE WAS A NEED FOR ACQUISITION THAT COULD OCCUR.

THE CITY MANAGER HAS THE AUTHORITY TO HAVE OR USUALLY WE HAVE PEOPLE IN PUBLIC WORKS THAT WORK THROUGH THAT.

SO TO THE EXTENT THAT IT BECOMES A NEED OR THEY DECIDE THAT IT IS A NEED, IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE A PART OF THIS.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

IF IT WAS AN IMMEDIATE NEED AND CERTAINLY HE CAN TELL ME IF I'M WRONG.

TYPICALLY, IF IT WAS A PRESSING NEED, JUST AS MR. WATANABE SPOKE ABOUT DEVELOPMENT AND EXPANSION IN THE OTHER ONE, I THINK IT WOULD HAVE BEEN MENTIONED NOW.

BUT THIS DOES NOT STOP US FROM BEING ABLE TO ACQUIRE ANY NEEDED RIGHT OF WAY.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MA'AM.

I APPRECIATE THAT. SO RIGHT NOW, I'VE GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX AND SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON COUNCILMAN FOSTER.

DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? NO, SIR. OKAY.

ALL IN FAVOR. SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. MAYOR MEDINA? NAY. PASSES 3 TO 1.

WE ARE NOW ON ITEM 16, RESOLUTION 2023, DASH 19, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, GRANTING CONDITIONAL USE FOR RETAIL, AUTOMOTIVE, GAS, FUEL SALES AND CC COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL DISTRICT ZONING.

WHICH PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF EMERSON DRIVE AND SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED HEREIN GRANTING THE USE AS A CONDITIONAL USE, PROVIDING FOR A COMMENCEMENT PERIOD, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

[04:05:05]

GOOD EVENING. ANNA SAUNDERS WITH BSE.

I AM REALLY EXCITED TO BE HERE TONIGHT TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT TO YOU THE FIRST COMMERCIAL PARCEL, SORT OF SCRATCHING THE DIRT OUT THERE AT THE INTERSECTION OF EMERSON AND THE PARKWAY. YOU'VE SEEN ME OUT HERE BEFORE FOR THAT 60 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL.

THIS IS RIGHT THERE ON THAT HARD CORNER IN THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT.

WE ARE HERE JUST TO SPECIFICALLY REQUEST A COPY APPROVAL FOR A FUEL STATION BECAUSE IT'S REQUIRED UNDER THE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT.

RIGHT NOW, WE'RE PROPOSING A RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT OFF OF EMERSON AND ANOTHER ONE OFF THE PARKWAY.

AS LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

WE WILL BE REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH THE TRAFFIC METHODOLOGY AND THE TRAFFIC REPORT THAT WILL BE REVIEWED BY STAFF.

AND I'M JUST HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. ANY QUESTIONS? SO I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT I DID WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU, MA'AM, I ASKED YOU TO COME BACK AROUND BECAUSE IT'S A BREACH, SO I APOLOGIZE, MA'AM.

AND I WASN'T GOING TO SAY ANYTHING, SO I APOLOGIZE.

I WALKED OUT THE DOOR IN AN EFFORT TO BE QUIET BECAUSE THAT DOOR SLAMMED SHUT AND YOU WALK OUT ONTO A METAL GRATE.

AND IN TRYING TO BE QUIET, THE DOOR DIDN'T CLOSE ALL THE WAY WHEN I NOTICED IT.

AND SO I THOUGHT I'D COME BACK.

IT DIDN'T THINK ABOUT IT. SO MY APOLOGIES.

I KNOW BETTER. I KNOW. I'LL CHALK IT UP TO THE VACATION.

I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE SINCE MAY, SO I'LL CHALK IT UP TO THAT.

SO MY APOLOGIES. NOT THAT YOU'RE THREATENING, BUT I HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT.

ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU.

RULES APPLY TO ALL. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MA'AM.

ANY COMMENTS, MADAM SHERMAN FROM STAFF.

NO, SIR. THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR.

ANY PUBLIC SPEAKING CARDS ON THIS ITEM.

MR. BILL BATTEN.

ABOUT CONSISTENT.

BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST.

I LOVE THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY COMING IN HERE.

THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT WE NEEDED.

AND IT WAS POINTED OUT THAT WE DEFINITELY NEED GAS STATIONS THERE.

WITH ALL THE HOUSING COMING IN.

IT ALL MAKES SENSE.

HOWEVER, SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY IS ONE LANE IN EACH DIRECTION AT THIS LOCATION.

SO CURRENTLY, WHEN THIS IS COMPLETED RIGHT AT EMERSON, THERE'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM THAT SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC ON SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY THAT WANTS TO TURN INTO THE GAS STATION HAS TO STOP AND BLOCK THE TRAFFIC BACK UP ON SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY.

SO AT THIS POINT, MAYBE EVEN A CENTER TURN LANE THAT COULD ALLOW PEOPLE TO GET OUT OF THE SAINT JOHNS.

I KNOW THAT'S A MASSIVE EXPENSE, BUT SUPPOSEDLY THE ROAD IS READY TO RECEIVE IT IS THE FACT THAT WE HAVE THAT TURN LANE ALREADY PUT IN BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY EXPERIENCING PROBLEMS NOW ON THE SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY, THE CENTER TURN LANE.

I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE PROPOSAL.

EXCUSE ME, BUT THAT WOULD HELP ALLEVIATE.

THAT POTENTIAL PROBLEM.

IT WON'T SOLVE IT IN THE LONG RUN, BUT IT WILL SURE MAKE IT EASIER FOR RIGHT NOW WHEN THE SCHOOLS GETTING IN AND OUT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER SPEAKER CARDS? DEPUTY MAYOR? NO, SIR.

OKAY. MISS.

MA'AM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND? I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN, OBVIOUSLY.

FOLKS WANT TO GET TO THE GAS STATION.

I JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY, WE'RE ALLOWED TO GAS STATIONS ON THE HARD CORNERS HERE.

SO OUR HOPE AND INTENT WOULD BE TO HAVE AN OPPOSITE AN OPPOSING GAS STATION ON THE OTHER SIDE.

THE RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

OBVIOUSLY, THE TRAFFIC STUDY WILL ULTIMATELY REVEAL WHAT WE NEED TO DO AND WE'RE WILLING TO WORK THROUGH THAT WITH STAFF.

OBVIOUSLY, I'D I'D PRESUME A CENTER TURN LANE WOULDN'T BE APPROPRIATE HERE JUST DUE TO DUE TO ITS PROXIMITY TO THE INTERSECTION OF PARKWAY AND EMERSON.

BUT AGAIN, WE'LL LET THE TRAFFIC STUDY, YOU KNOW, LET THOSE CHIPS FALL WHERE THEY MAY AND WORK THROUGH CITY STAFF WITH THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT ACCESS IS PROVIDED IN A SAFE MANNER.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCIL. ANY.

THAT WAS THE LAST SPEAKER.

I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASKING FOR A MOTION.

SO MOVED. SECOND, GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX COUNCILMAN FOSTER.

ANYTHING. NO, SIR.

OKAY. JOHNSON.

ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR.

SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. AYE. PASSES FOR ZERO.

ITEM 17.

MADAM SMITH ORDNANCE 20 2327.

AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA ESTABLISHING THE EVERGLADES TWO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 190 FLORIDA STATUTES, PROVIDING FOR NAMING THE INITIAL MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF THE DISTRICT, ESTABLISHING THE NAME OF THE DISTRICT, DESIGNATING THE PURPOSE OF THE DISTRICT, DESIGNATING THE POWERS AND SPECIAL POWERS OF THE DISTRICT, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT THEIR CASE.

GOOD EVENING. GINGER WALD.

LILLIAN COCHRAN, MILES MOORE.

RAMSEY. EXCUSE ME.

515 EAST LAS OLAS BOULEVARD, FORT LAUDERDALE, FLORIDA.

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THIS IS TO THIS IS TO ESTABLISH THE EVERLANE'S TO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

WE HAVE SUBMITTED THE PETITION TO STAFF STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE PETITION.

STAFF HAS ALSO GONE AHEAD AND RECOMMENDED THAT THE PETITION BE APPROVED TO ESTABLISH THIS COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.

THIS COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT WILL CONSIST OF APPROXIMATELY 143.73 ACRES.

IT'S UP IN THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT OF SAINT JOHNS PARKWAY.

TWO OF THE CANALS AND ALSO NORTH OF EMERSON.

THE INTENTION AND ALSO THE APPROVAL THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN PROVIDED BY THE CITY IS FOR 398 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

THAT APPROVAL, FINAL APPROVAL APPROVAL WAS ALREADY DONE IN YOUR BACKUP MATERIALS.

IT'S SPECIFICALLY HAS THAT THE PROPERTY IS PLANNED FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND MULTIPLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

THAT WAS FROM AN OLD RESOLUTION THAT HAS BEEN CHANGED.

THE MULTIPLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IS NOT A PART OF THIS.

IT IS ONLY FOR OWNED SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, AS YOU'RE AWARE, BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE OTHER COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS WITHIN YOUR CITY.

A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT IS A SPECIAL PURPOSE LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND ONLY HAS CERTAIN POWERS AND SPECIFICALLY THE POWERS HAVE BEEN ENUMERATED WITHIN THE DRAFT ORDINANCE THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU THAT WAS PREPARED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IN THIS REGARD.

THE CITY WOULD BE APPROVING A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TO PROVIDE FOR CERTAIN PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS, THE FINANCING AND CONSTRUCTION OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS, THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS FOR THIS COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT THAT ARE BEING CONSIDERED AND WOULD BE FOR CONSTRUCTION, IT WOULD BE AS FOLLOWS THE WATER IMPROVEMENTS, THE SEWER IMPROVEMENTS, THE SURFACE WATER MANAGEMENT, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT IMPROVEMENTS, AND ALSO THE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE NECESSARY FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED IN REGARDS TO THESE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS THAT THE CITY WOULD REQUIRE IN ANY TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT ORDER IN ORDER FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT TO OCCUR, AS LONG AS THEY WERE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS AND WERE REQUIRED THEREIN.

THE CDD COULD THEN ALSO GO AHEAD AND FINANCE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.

WHEN THIS PETITION WAS ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED, IT WAS SUBMITTED EARLIER IN THIS YEAR.

IT WAS AN ESTIMATION AT THAT TIME THAT THOSE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY $11.3 MILLION.

OF COURSE, KNOWING THAT THIS IS JUST A GOOD FAITH ESTIMATE.

TIMES HAVE CHANGED OVER THAT TIME PERIOD AND COSTS HAVE INCREASED.

SO AGAIN, IT'S JUST A GOOD FAITH ESTIMATE.

AS YOU ARE ALSO AWARE FROM OTHER CD'S, CD'S ARE BASICALLY A PUBLIC FINANCING GOVERNMENT.

THE REASON FOR IT IS BECAUSE A CD CAN GO AHEAD AND OBTAIN LONG TERM FINANCING IN TAX FREE MUNICIPAL BONDS JUST LIKE YOU CAN AS A CITY GOVERNMENT.

THE BENEFIT OF PROVIDING THOSE TAX FREE MUNICIPAL BONDS FOR A DEVELOPER IS THOSE BONDS WILL HAVE THAT LOWER INTEREST RATE AND CAN ALSO PASS ON THOSE COSTS ULTIMATELY TO THE END PURCHASER, REDUCING THE COST THAT NORMALLY WOULD HAVE TO BE PROVIDED FOR THE DEVELOPER TO GO AHEAD AND PLACE THESE IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN TO THE COMMUNITY AND ALSO REMOVES THOSE COSTS THAT YOU SEE THAT A CITY NORMALLY HAS TO DO WHEN IT HAS TO PUT IN THOSE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS SUCH AS ROADWAYS, SEWER, WATER, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, AS YOU'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT MOST OF THE NIGHT TONIGHT, IN REGARDS TO SOME IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU'VE BEEN SEEKING FROM DEVELOPERS IN THEIR THEIR DEVELOPMENT THEMSELVES FROM THOSE COMMERCIAL ASPECT AND WHAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE IN THE FUTURE AS YOU MOVE FORWARD AS A CITY, KIDS CAN GO AHEAD AND FINANCE THOSE TYPE OF IMPROVEMENTS WITH THE SAME TYPE OF MUNICIPAL BONDS, THOSE LONG TERM 30 YEAR BONDS.

THE OTHER THE OTHER ASPECT WITH THE CD'S IS NOT THE ENTIRE CITY IS PAYING FOR THOSE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS.

THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT ARE PAYING FOR THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS ARE GOING TO BE THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ACTUALLY LIVE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, THE ONES THAT BUY THE HOMES, THOSE HOME SITES, THEY WILL BE PAYING THOSE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS OVER THAT 30 YEAR PERIOD OF TIME AS ALLOCATED ON A YEARLY BASIS, AS HAS BEEN REVIEWED ALREADY BY YOUR STAFF.

AND SPECIFICALLY IN REGARDS TO THE CD.

AND AS YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU ALREADY HAVE CD'S IN YOUR COMMUNITY AND THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T DO THE ENTIRE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION BECAUSE YOU HAVE THEM AND IT'S 1015 AT NIGHT.

BUT IN THAT REGARD, AND YOU CAN SEE FROM THE ORDINANCE ITSELF, THE STAFF HAS PROVIDED WITHIN THE ORDINANCE THAT.

THE PETITIONER HAS MET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF 190.005 TO ESTABLISH A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.

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I ALSO HAVE THE DEVELOPER HERE IN CASE THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY IN REGARDS TO THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MA'AM.

COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE APPLICANT? SEEING NONE. UH, ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? MASTER CHIEF BATTEN.

BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST.

WHEN I WAS LOOKING, I WASN'T SURE.

I THOUGHT IT WAS ON THE WEST SIDE OF SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY.

BUT YOU SAY IT'S THE NORTHEAST SIDE OF SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION.

BECAUSE WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THE IN THE PACKET, THEY MUST HAVE THE NOTIFICATION FROM ONE SIDE WHERE THEY'RE SHOWING THE THE MULTIFAMILY AND SINGLE FAMILY THAT'S SHOWING IT ON THE SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY ON THE RIGHT.

BUT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE ADVERTISEMENT FROM THE NEWSPAPER, IT SHOWS SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY ON THE LEFT.

SO I WASN'T SURE WHICH WAY IT WAS.

BUT YOU EXPLAINED IT RIGHT THERE WHEN YOU SAID THAT IT'S ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE THAT ANSWERS THAT QUESTION.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER SPEAKER CARDS OR ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE. I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING ASKING FOR A MOTION.

SO MOVED. SECOND, GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. PASSES FOUR ZERO.

WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER 18 ORDINANCE 20 2342 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TITLE 17.

LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHAPTER 183 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REGULATIONS SECTION 183 .01 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SUBSECTION D ADOPTION OF FUTURE LAND USE MAP BY AMENDING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT.

HEREWITH PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT THIS CASE.

GOOD EVENING. JAMES BOOTHROYD 2768 SNAPDRAGON DRIVE NORTHWEST.

I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE BUYER OF THIS PROPERTY WHO IS LOOKING TO HAVE THIS COMP PLAN AND FUTURE LAND USE CHANGE FROM UTILITIES TO LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY.

SO ANY QUESTIONS? DEPUTY OR COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

NO, I'M GOOD. DEPUTY MAYOR.

HEY. THANK YOU. ANY SPEAKER CARDS.

OR ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST MR. BATTEN. GO ABOUT IN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST.

FIRST QUESTION IS HOW DID PLANNING AND ZONING VOTE ON THIS LAST NIGHT? BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE EVER SEEN AN AGENDA PACKET WHERE P AND Z MET LAST NIGHT AND IN THE PACKET FOR THIS COUNCIL TO REVIEW, IT SAYS PRIOR TO THE MEETING THE COUNCIL WILL BE TOLD WHAT HAPPENED.

SO ANYBODY LIKE MYSELF, IF I DIDN'T GO TO P AND Z, I WOULD BE LOOKING AT THE AT THIS PACKET FOR REVIEW AND THE INFORMATION PERTAINING TO HOW A VOTE WAS CAST PRIOR WAS NOT PRESENTED TO THE INDIVIDUAL.

I'M JUST I KNOW WAS THERE BECAUSE I ATTEND THE MEETINGS, BUT IT'S JUST THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE EVER SEEN THAT WHERE IT SAYS IN THE PACKET THAT THE COUNCIL WILL BE TOLD PRIOR TO THE MEETING WHAT HAPPENED AT THE NIGHT BEFORE MEETING.

SO MY QUESTION IS, WHEN YOU GOT IT ON THURSDAY, HOW DID YOU REVIEW IT? BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T KNOW EITHER.

THAT'S NUMBER ONE.

NUMBER TWO.

I DON'T LIKE SEEING A LOSS OF UTILITY OR INSTITUTIONAL LAND JUST BECAUSE IT MIGHT MEAN IN THE FUTURE THE CITY HAS TO BUY THAT LAND AT A HIGHER COST. HOWEVER, THAT BEING SAID.

THE INDIVIDUAL ON THIS PROPERTY, 1.3 ACRES CHANGING IT, RIGHT? BUT I WOULD NOT LIKE TO SEE THE INDIVIDUAL PACKET TO THE MAXIMUM CAPABILITY THAT THEY CAN AT 1.3 ACRES ON THE RS TWO.

THAT WOULD BE ALMOST SIX HOMES, RIGHT.

AND I WOULD NOT LIKE TO SEE THAT.

AND THE REASON WHY IS TO THE NORTHEAST OF THIS PROPERTY.

IT'S A ONE ACRE SITE WITH ONE HOUSE ON IT.

TO THE EAST IS A THREE ACRE SITE.

AND WITHIN THE 500 FOOT RADIUS OF THIS DEVELOPMENT IS ONE OF THE LAST RURAL RESIDENTIAL SITES IN THE CITY, AND THAT'S SEVEN ACRES WITH ONE HOUSE ON IT.

SO THE FACT THAT THIS IS CHANGING THIS AREA, WE'RE CHANGING THIS AREA A LITTLE BIT.

I HOPE THE PERSON WHO BOUGHT THIS LAND DOES NOT BUILD OUT TO THE MAXIMUM CAPABILITY THAT WOULD ALLOW BECAUSE THAT

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AND I WILL NOT READDRESS THIS UNDER ORDINANCE 2344 TO MAKE THE MEETING GO QUICKER.

THANK YOU. SO THANK YOU, MR. CHIEF. AS I UNDERSTAND, THAT IS FIVE.

AND AND WE RECEIVED AN EMAIL OR AT LEAST I RECEIVED AN EMAIL WITH WHAT? P AND Z. THOSE WERE YOUR QUESTIONS.

WHAT? HOW P AND Z VOTED? UM. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING, ASKING FOR A MOTION.

SO MOVED. SECOND, GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

ANY DISCUSSION, GENTLEMEN? ALL IN FAVOR. SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. PASSES FOUR ZERO.

ITEM 19.

WITNESS 2023 DASH 43 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY BY CHANGING THE ZONING OF PROPERTY FROM IU INSTITUTIONAL USE DISTRICT TO S2 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, WHICH PROPERTY IS LOCATED EAST OF AND ADJACENT TO GAINER DRIVE IN THE VICINITY NORTH OF FOUR WIND STREET AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED HEREIN, PROVIDING FOR A CHANGE OF THE ZONING MAP, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. THAT'S THE APPLICANT TO COME PRESENT THIS CASE AGAIN.

OKAY. JAMES BOOTHROYD 32768 SNAPDRAGON DRIVE NORTHWEST.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST THE COMPANION TO THE OTHER ONE IT'S THE REZONING JUST WOULD LIKE TO REZONE IT TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL IS TO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU DEPUTY MAYOR. ANY SPEAKER CARDS ON THIS ONE? NO SPEAKER CARDS.

I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING, ASKING FOR A MOTION SO MOVED THAT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. ALL RIGHT.

PASSES. FOUR ZERO.

ITEM NUMBER 20 ORDINANCE 2023.

DASH 44 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TITLE 17.

LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHAPTER 183 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REGULATIONS SECTION 183 .01 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SUBSECTION D ADOPTION OF FUTURE LAND USE MAP BY AMENDING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT.

HEREWITH PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT THEIR CASE.

JAMES MAYES, 214 POOCHIE DRIVE, INDIAN HARBOR BEACH.

WE'VE OWNED THIS PROPERTY SINCE 2014.

IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED BMU V AND HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

UM, THERE IS A STATE, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THERE'S A STATE MASTER USE PLAN THAT'S IN PLACE THAT ALLOWS US TO ASK FOR THE AMENDMENT TO THE CITY'S, UM, USE PLAN.

AND WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS AN AMENDMENT TO BMU FROM BMV.

SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE.

WOULD BE, I GUESS, ENTITLED TO.

I GUESS MAYBE WE WOULD ADDRESS IN 21.

IS THAT APPROPRIATE? AND THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM THERE IS 20 AND 21.

BUT WE YEAH, WE CAN SPEAK TO BOTH AT THIS POINT.

WELL, WE GOT TO GET BY THE LAND USE, BUT GO AHEAD.

OKAY. SO YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE THAT MAY BE AGAINST IT.

IT'S THE NEIGHBORS.

AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT THEY MAY HAVE SOME SOME CONCERNS.

WE'VE ADDRESSED THAT.

WE'VE HAD THEIR OUR RESIDENTIAL MEETINGS WITH WITH THE NEIGHBORS.

P AND Z HAS PASSED THE AND RECOMMENDED THAT WE ARE ALLOWED TO MAKE THE ZONING CHANGE STAFF SUPPORTS THE ZONING CHANGE AND THE CITY, I BELIEVE, IS FOR THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT OF THE AREA.

THEY HAVE A BAYFRONT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT THAT ENCOURAGES THE USE AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS AREA.

WHAT THIS WOULD ALLOW US TO DO IS IT WOULD ALLOW US TO INCREASE THE DENSITY IN THE AREA.

IT MAY ALLOW FOR A HIGHER BUILDING HEIGHT WITH CONCESSIONS TO THE CITY.

SO THE NATURAL, I GUESS, ORDER OF THAT ZONING CRITERIA IS THAT WE WOULD ACTUALLY GIVE UP IN ORDER FOR INCREASED BUILDING HEIGHT, DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE ADD PARKING TO THE PARK, TO THE EXISTING PARK NEXT DOOR, MAYBE HAVE PUBLIC WALKWAYS

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UM, AND THEN THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER PROVISIONS WITHIN THE CODE THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO IMPROVE THE AREA.

UM, RIGHT NOW WE'VE ALREADY HAVE AN EXISTING APPROVED SITE PLAN.

SOMEBODY MAY SAY THAT, HEY, WE'RE AGAINST THE ASSISTED LIVING.

I'VE HEARD THAT ONCE WE ALREADY ACTUALLY HAVE AN APPROVED PERMIT FOR AN ASSISTED LIVING THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY VACATE AND THEN RE AND THEN RE FILE A NEW SITE PLAN, ANY CONDITIONS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH AS PART OF THE SITE PLAN PROCESS, AS YOU AS YOU ALL KNOW, WOULD BE WOULD HAVE TO MEET ALL THE LETTERS OF THE LAW, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, PROPER TREATMENT OF WATER.

ANY ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS THAT MAY BE HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED WITH STAFF AND THEN PROPER PERMITTING, WHICH WE ALREADY HAVE A SAINT JOHNS WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT PERMIT IN PLACE.

SOME SOME MAY SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GIVING UP SOME PRISTINE LAND.

THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS IT'S PRIVATE LAND.

IT'S OWNED BY US.

AND WE DO WANT TO DEVELOP THE AREA.

AND WE FEEL LIKE THE CITY WANTS US TO DEVELOP THE AREA AND IT WILL BE DEVELOPED ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE THE ENTITLEMENTS TO BUILD A 70 FOOT TALL, HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL BUILDING THERE AT THE MOMENT.

SO THAT WOULD BE KIND OF CHANGING THIS UP AND IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE ALLOWING US TO ADD OTHER USES THAT WOULD KIND OF BE MORE ENHANCED FOR THE AREA, LIKE RESTAURANTS, MIXED USE, MAYBE, MAYBE HOTEL MAYBE.

BUT THERE ARE MANY USES THAT COULD BE AVAILABLE, I GUESS, IN THE CODE.

MR. MCKINNEY, YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO ANYTHING? ALL RIGHT. UM, JUST AGAIN FOR CLARIFICATION, WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR AN APPROVAL OF ASSISTED LIVING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BY THE BY THE CITIZEN PARTICIPATION BOARD.

WE ACTUALLY ALREADY HAVE ENTITLEMENTS AND APPROVAL FOR AN ASSISTED LIVING.

IF WE WERE TO IF WE WERE IF WE WANTED TO GO FORWARD WITH THAT.

THE LAND IS CLEARED RIGHT NOW AND IT'S CLEARED UNDER AN EXISTING BUILDING PERMIT, WHICH WE MAY VACATE IF WE OBTAIN THE ZONING.

UM, THE WE'VE SPENT OVER $600,000 ALREADY IN TAX IMPROVEMENTS AND IMPACT FEES AND WE WOULD PROBABLY SPEND A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT MORE IF THIS IS APPROVED, WHICH WILL ADD TO THE ENHANCEMENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AGAIN, FOR ROADS, PARKS, SEWER AND WATER SYSTEMS IN THE AREA.

WE'VE CONTRIBUTED HUNDREDS OF THOUSAND DOLLARS TO TO THE WATER FEES IN THE AREA OVER THE YEARS.

WE'VE CONTRIBUTED OF HUNDREDS OF THOUSAND DOLLARS IN TAXES.

THIS WOULD INCREASE THE TAX BASE IN THE AREA.

WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR A TAX ABATEMENT LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER DEVELOPERS HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR.

UM, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR SPECIAL DISTRICTS.

WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR TAX FOR ANY.

TAX FREE BONDS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

WE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO DEVELOP THIS, YOU KNOW, WITH REAL MONEY IF WE'RE SO APPROVED.

I NOTICED THAT THERE WAS A SPECIAL DISTRICT THAT WAS APPROVED FOR 300 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT TAKES UP OVER 140 ACRES.

THIS DEVELOPMENT IS ACTUALLY ENVIRONMENTALLY POSITIVE IN THE FACT THAT IT WILL IT WILL CREATE THE NON ABSORPTION OF OVER 70 ADDITIONAL ACRES OF LAND ELSEWHERE.

SO AND THAT'S NOT INCLUDING THE POTENTIAL COMMERCIAL USES.

IT WILL INCREASE THE TAX BASE IN, IF APPROVED, UP TO $100 MILLION, IF NOT EVEN MORE, WHICH IS PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL.

SO WE'VE HAD OTHER INVESTMENTS FROM OTHER DEVELOPERS AND OTHER COMPANIES THAT SAY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO INVEST THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY.

THIS WILL ALLOW US TO ACTUALLY DO THAT.

SO I GUESS THAT AT THIS POINT, UNLESS MR. MCKINNEY WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING.

SO I HAVE A QUESTION.

YES, SIR. YOUR PRESENTATION, SIR.

YOU SAID THAT THERE IS A POSSIBILITY OF A OF A HOTEL.

IS THAT ACCURATE? THAT IS A YEAH, THAT IS IT'S A PERMISSIBLE USE.

IT'S IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD EXPLORE.

AND THERE WAS STRUCTURED PARKING THAT WE WOULD BE WILLING TO GIVE UP TO THE CITY.

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THERE'S A POTENTIAL MARINA.

WE HAVE THREE ACRES OF SUBMERGED LAND LEASE THERE THAT WE COULD ADD HAVE A PUBLIC MARINA.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE COULD DO IF WE WERE APPROVED.

AND SO PART OF THAT.

DISCUSSION HAS BEEN ON THIS DAIS REGARDING HOTELS OR RENTAL SPACE, LIKE A BANQUET HALL THAT WE CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

RIGHT. THAT AREA WOULD ACTUALLY, I BELIEVE AND I DON'T DON'T QUOTE ME ON THIS, BUT I BELIEVE IN THAT ZONING.

IT WOULD ALLOW FOR A CONFERENCE TYPE CENTER IF THE DEVELOPER, YOU KNOW, OUR DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS WOULD SO, YOU KNOW, BE SO INCLINED.

BUT WE HAVEN'T FINALIZED A SITE PLAN OR ANY OF THOSE THINGS AT THIS POINT.

BUT WE REALLY DO HAVE A DREAM AND A VISION FOR SOMETHING BIGGER THERE.

THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE IT.

CARRY ON, SIR. THIS IS MY.

MY BUSINESS PARTNER. MR. MCKINNEY. CURTIS MCKINNEY.

MCKINNEY CONSTRUCTION 2108 WEST.

NEW HAVEN AVENUE, MELBOURNE, FLORIDA.

THE PROJECT HAS FALLEN INTO BAYFRONT DISTRICT AREA.

WE ALL KNOW WHAT THE BAYFRONT DISTRICT AREA IS.

THE PEOPLE THAT DON'T KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE A ONE POINT, WHAT, $1,000,400,000 DEVELOPMENT GOING ALONG THE WATERFRONT.

IT'S THE ONLY PLACE IN PALM BAY THAT THE CITY OF PALM BAY CAN GET TO THE WATER.

PERIOD. DONE FINISH.

YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO GET NOWHERE ELSE CLOSE TO THAT WATER UNLESS YOU'RE IN THE BAYFRONT DISTRICT.

OUR PARTNERSHIP IS GOING DOWN.

THEY'RE SPENDING $54 MILLION.

WE DIDN'T DO IT WITH DOLLAR GENERAL.

WE DIDN'T DO IT WITH ANYWHERE.

I'M A LOCAL BOY, BORN AND RAISED RIGHT HERE IN WEST MELBOURNE.

JIM'S THE SAME WAY. WE'RE ALL LOCAL GUYS.

WE OWN THE INDUSTRY, WE OWN BUSINESSES.

WE ALL EMPLOY HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE IN TOWN.

THIS PROJECT WILL EMPLOY OVER 200 PEOPLE, OVER 200 PEOPLE.

IT COMES WITH A LOT OF COMMERCIAL SPACE.

WE HAVE A NUMBER OF COMMERCIAL PROJECTS THAT WE CAN ADD, IMPLEMENT AND PROVIDE.

WE GOT PLACES FOR PHARMACIES, 24 HOUR MEDICAL FACILITIES.

WE CAN GO WITH THIS WITH A FULL FLEDGED MEDICAL PROGRAM RELEVANT TO ALF, MEMORY CARE AND INDEPENDENT LIVING.

THE REASON WE'VE COME HERE TODAY IS BECAUSE OUR CURRENT MARKET STUDY IS TRENDING A LITTLE BIT MORE TO INDEPENDENT LIVING, SUCH AS OUR NEIGHBORS.

OUR NEIGHBORS ARE ALL INDEPENDENT LIVING, EVEN THOUGH OUR 55 AND ABOVE COMMUNITY, THEY ARE INDEPENDENT, LIVING THE SAME THING THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR IN OUR AREA COULD BE ACTUALLY MIMICKED FROM WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT ACROSS THE STREET.

WE HAVE A NUMBER OF COMMERCIAL USES.

YOU TALKED ABOUT BANQUET AREAS AND YOU TALKED ABOUT THINGS ALONG THE WATERFRONT.

WE HAVE DRAWINGS THAT SHOWN THE RESTAURANTS DOWN THERE.

WE HAVE SHOWS THAT SHOWS THE ACTUAL RETAIL CENTERS AND PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO USE.

THERE'S NOT A LOT IN THAT AREA RIGHT THERE.

AS WE ALL KNOW, WE HAVE ABOUT 1340 LINEAL FOOT.

THAT'S ABOUT A HALF OF A MILE OF WATERFRONT.

WE HAVE PROBABLY THE LARGEST FOOTPRINT IN THE AREA AS FAR AS WATERFRONT ACCESS GOES.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF AVENUES AND A LOT OF ITEMS THAT IT OPENS UP FOR US TO BRING TO THE COMMUNITY.

NOW WE WANT A JOINT PARTNERSHIP WITH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THE CITY HAS AVAILABLE TO US.

BUT LATELY, SINCE 2014, IT'S TAKEN US SOME TIME TO GET ALL THIS MONEY TOGETHER AND GET TO WHERE WE'RE AT NOW.

WE'RE OUT OF POCKET OF WAY OVER $1 MILLION.

PERSONALLY, THIS IS JUST TWO LOCAL GUYS WITH A COUPLE OF OTHER OUTSIDE PARTNERS AND WE'RE JUST DOING THIS ON OUR OWN.

WE'RE NOT TRYING TO MOVE IN TO DO ANYTHING FROM OUTSIDE OF THE CITY, OUTSIDE OF THE STATE.

I WAS BUILDING IN PALM BAY IN 1975.

I BUILT THAT LITTLE THING CALLED WOODLAKE APARTMENTS AND EVERYTHING ON PALM BAY ROAD, AND I BUILT EVERYTHING FROM FRED SUTTON AND JACK SPIRO AND ALL THE OTHER ATTORNEYS IN THERE.

I'VE BEEN BUILDING IN PALM BAY FOR 40 YEARS.

SO I'M VERY, VERY FAMILIAR WITH PALM BAY.

I'VE BEEN THROUGH A NUMBER OF MAYORS, BEEN THROUGH A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT.

DIRT ROADS HAS BEEN TURNED INTO ASPHALT.

ALL WE'RE GOING TO DO IS MAKE PALM BAY A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

IT'S COMING. I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, WE ALL KNOW IT'S COMING.

PALM BAY IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO GROW.

IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO DEVELOP.

I THINK THE BAYFRONT DISTRICT IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT ONCE A FOOTPRINT GETS THERE, IT'S GOING TO DO NOTHING BUT EXPLODE.

BUT THE PROBLEM IS THE CITY HAS BEEN BUYING A LOT OF PROPERTY DOWN THERE YOURSELF.

YOU ALL BOUGHT STUFF WITH THE INTENTIONS OF TRYING TO INFLUENCE DEVELOPERS TO COME INTO THE AREA.

WE'RE A DEVELOPER WHO'S GOT A PERMIT AND WE'RE MOVING INTO THE AREA TO DEVELOP AND TO BUILD.

AND MOST OF ALL, WE'RE SPENDING OUR OWN HARD EARNED CASH TO DO THIS.

WE'RE NOT COMING IN HERE WITH SOME CORPORATE DESIGN OF SOME CORPORATE PROGRAM.

WE'RE COMING IN HERE AS LOCAL PEOPLE DEVELOPING OUR AREA, AND WE'RE GOING TO EMPLOY PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY.

I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT REALLY FEEDS TO WHAT PALM BAY IS TRYING TO IMPLEMENT IN AND AROUND OUR COMMUNITY.

I KNOW THAT AS A PROPERTY OWNER IN PALM BAY, WEST MELBOURNE, MELBOURNE, VOLK AREA, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THINGS HAPPEN IN MY COMMUNITY BY PEOPLE IN AND AROUND MY COMMUNITY.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THINGS COME IN FROM OUTSIDE BECAUSE IT'S MONEY DRIVEN OR IT'S JUST ONLY DRIVEN BY THINGS LIKE THAT.

THE THINGS THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE PEOPLE IN AND AROUND OUR COMMUNITY IS, FIRST OF ALL, THEIR VALUES ARE GOING TO DOUBLE.

IT'S GOING TO DOUBLE.

IT'S GOING TO DOUBLE.

THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE MORE MONEY BY US BUILDING THAN THEY WERE EVER GOING TO MAKE BY IT BEING VACANT LAND OR IT BEING ANYTHING THAT'S DOWN THERE ALONG THAT WATERFRONT.

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AND THAT'S ALL THAT WE'RE DOING.

WE'RE NOT HERE TO BE BAD NEIGHBORS.

WE'RE HERE TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.

WE'RE HERE TO DO THE THINGS THAT THE CITY HAS ASKED.

STAFFS ASK US TO DO A LOT OF THINGS.

WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING THAT YOU GUYS HAVE ASKED US TO DO.

IF NOT, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE GAVE US A PERMIT.

YOU KNOW, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE GAVE US A PERMIT AND TOLD US TO GO ON DOWN AND START BUILDING THESE BUILDINGS.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE JUST TRIED TO NOTICE THAT IN OUR FEASIBILITY STUDY IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, THINGS ARE TRENDING MORE TOWARDS INDEPENDENT LIVING.

SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO MAKE OUR MOVES HERE TO WHERE WE'RE NOT SO HEAVILY, HEAVILY BURDENED ON MEDICAL, WHICH MEDICAL REQUIRES A LOT MORE OF NURSES, DOCTORS, PRACTITIONERS.

IT REQUIRES A LOT MORE OF FOOD SERVICES, A LOT MORE OF PHARMACY AND CLINICAL SITUATIONS, YOU KNOW.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO ALSO STREAMLINE WHAT WE PLAN ON DOING IN THE AREA IN AND AROUND IT.

SO WE'RE ASKING JUST FOR THE PARTICIPATION FROM THE CITY OF PALM BAY TO ALLOW US TO GO FORWARD WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT AND TO GO FORWARD WITH OUR CHANGE OF USE AND FOR OUR CHANGING IN ZONING THAT WE ARE ASKING FOR ON ITEMS NUMBER 20 AND 21 TODAY.

AND THANK YOU GUYS FOR ALL TAKING A COUPLE OF MINUTES AND LISTENING TO US.

THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS, COUNSEL? NO, SIR. WELL, I GUESS THE ONLY QUESTION I ANSWERED.

YOU ANSWERED. YOU WEREN'T SO.

AND NOW HE'S SPEAKING OF INDEPENDENT LIVING, BUT YOU LEFT IT OPEN FOR EVEN HOTELS, YOU SAID.

RIGHT. WELL. THE ZONING ITSELF WILL ALLOW FOR THAT.

SO ONCE RIGHT NOW, WE WOULDN'T EXPLORE THAT UNTIL THAT UNTIL OR UNLESS THAT HAPPENED.

SO IT JUST REALLY OPENS UP A DIFFERENT AVENUE OF THOUGHT FOR US AND A DIFFERENT PROBABLY AVENUE OF THE WAY WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY.

AND WHEN HE SAYS MORE INDEPENDENT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RESIDENTIAL UNITS THAT PEOPLE WOULD LIVE IN.

THANK YOU. WE HAVE SPEAKER CARD.

I DON'T NEED SPEAKER CARDS ON THIS.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT ITEM.

ONE. I DON'T NEED.

WELL, I COULD JUST OPEN IT UP.

GO AHEAD. IT.

MR. JAMES CURTIS? CORRECT. CURTIS.

JAMES CURTIS. PHIL? MR. PHIL? PENALTY.

MY NAME IS PHIL PENLEY.

I LIVE AT 3900 AND.

3901 DIXIE HIGHWAY, WHICH IS CASTAWAY COVE CONDOMINIUMS. I'M HERE TO ASK TONIGHT THAT YOU POSTPONE APPROVING THIS UNTIL WE'VE HAD A CHANCE TO FIND OUT WHAT THEY'RE REALLY GOING TO DO.

IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S FLUID.

WE LOOKED AT IT, FIRST OF ALL, A THREE STORY BUILDING THAT WAS GOING TO FOCUS ON MEDICAL CARE, A NURSING HOME TYPE FACILITY.

AND THEN THEY CHANGED THAT AND THEY WANTED TO GO TO A 110FT, WHICH SOMETHING LIKE AN 11 STORY BUILDING.

AND AS SOON AS YOU GO THERE AND THEN YOU HAVE TO START TALKING ABOUT THIS THING CHANGING BY, WHAT, 300%? WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO.

AND NOW I HEAR TONIGHT THAT IT THAT MAY NOT BE WHERE THEY'RE GOING.

NOW, THEY WENT ON TO TALK ABOUT MAYBE A HOTEL OR THEY WANT TO EXPAND ON THE POINT THAT THEY'VE GOT A RESTAURANT, AT LEAST ORIGINALLY HAD A RESTAURANT DOWN THERE WHERE THERE WAS AN OLD BAR THAT GOT BLOWN AWAY IN 2004 THAT THEY WANT TO REPLACE.

THE PROBLEM IS, IS YOU'VE GOT A SMALLER CONDOMINIUM JUST TO THE WEST OF THERE, AND IT'S CALLED CASTAWAY SHORES.

AND I CAN STAND IN CASTAWAY SHORES AND THROW A ROCK AND HIT THE WHERE THE OLD BAR USED TO BE.

AND THAT'S ALL THE SPACE THEY'VE GOT.

THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH SPACE DOWN THERE ON THE SITE PLAN THEY HAVE FOR THEIR RESTAURANT.

THEY SAY THEY'VE GOT A RESTAURANT CAPACITY FOR 200 AND THEY HAVE PARKING FOR 46.

THERE'S ALSO OTHER PEOPLE IN THAT SAME AREA, AND THEY HAVE WHAT'S WHAT I WOULD CALL NOW A SINGLE DRIVEWAY AND WHAT WOULD HAPPEN ON A. LET'S TALK ABOUT A FOOTBALL AFTERNOON.

AND YOU GOT 200 PATRONS THAT WANT TO BE AT THEIR BAR AND THEY'RE GOING TO PARK IN THAT PRIVATE DRIVEWAY.

AND THEN THE OTHER THING YOU THINK ABOUT WHEN THEY'RE STARTING TO BUILD A 30 OR THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD A TEN AND A TEN STORY BUILDING AND YOU'VE GOT A

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IF YOU BUILD A TEN STORY BUILDING, YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER PARKING PROBLEM.

AND I'VE READ ON SOME OF THEIR MATERIALS THAT THEY SPEAK TO HAVING PARKING GARAGES.

I REALLY DON'T THINK THE BAYFRONT REDEVELOPMENT WAS ABOUT PARKING GARAGES DOWN THERE NEXT TO THE WATER.

THE OTHER THING THAT I'M SCARED TO DEATH OF IS THAT A YEAR FROM NOW OR TWO YEARS FROM NOW, THEY'RE GOING TO COME BACK AND SAY, WE NEED TO DO A LAND SWAP.

IF YOU'LL GIVE US WHAT IS THE THE LITTLE PARK DOWN THERE? WE'LL BUILD A BIGGER PARK, SOME OUT WEST OF TOWN.

BUT THAT WILL REALLY HELP US TO DEVELOP THIS PLACE.

IF YOU'LL SWAP THIS PARK OUT AGAIN.

AND I AGREE WITH THE GENTLEMAN THAT WAS SPEAKING.

THANK YOU, SIR. OKAY.

NEXT SPEAKER. SUZANNE CONNOLLY.

I'M GOING TO ASK THOSE THAT ARE SCHEDULED TO SPEAK TO COME UP FRONT FOLLOWS BY.

AND SO VICTOR REVERT.

I'M SUSAN CONNOLLY, 3901 DIXIE HIGHWAY NORTHEAST.

BRING THAT DOWN. MS.. CONNOLLY.

DON'T. UM, TONIGHT I'M HERE TO ASK COUNCIL TO.

KEEP THE CURRENT FEDERAL LAND USE AND THE CURRENT ZONING TO BASICALLY VOTE NO TO THE AMENDMENT THAT THE DEVELOPERS ARE REQUESTING.

I'M ASKING BY VOTING NO, YOU REALLY ARE SAYING YES TO THE DEVELOPERS CONTINUING WHAT THEY HAVE ALREADY STARTED. IT IS IN PLACE THERE, WHICH IS AN IN PROCESS APPROVED BUILDING PERMIT AND SITE PLAN.

AS THEY SAID, CLEARING HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE ON THAT AND THESE PLANS WOULD MEET THE CURRENT REQUIREMENTS OF KEEPING THE BUILDING HEIGHT A MAXIMUM OF 35FT AND SOME PARTS OF THE LAND DUE TO THE ZONING, AND IT WOULD BE 70FT, BUT IT WOULD NOT BE 110FT. THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED.

IF YOU APPROVE THIS AMENDMENT, IT WOULD ALSO, IF YOU SAY NO, IT WOULD KEEP IN PLACE THAT THE DWELLING DENSITY WOULD KEEP TO THE 50 UNITS INSTEAD OF A POTENTIAL OF 156 UNITS.

VOTING NO WOULD MEAN YES.

TWO YEARS OF CITIZEN PARTICIPATION AND INPUT INTO THE CREATION OF A BAYFRONT VISION THAT INCLUDES TOWN CENTERS, PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY AREAS, AND A FOCUS ON ACCESS TO THE WATERFRONT.

THESE ARE THINGS THE CURRENT DEVELOPERS HAVE NOT REALLY CONSIDERED IN THEIR PLAN.

VOTING NO WOULD MEAN YES TO PRESERVING AND PROTECTING THE UNIQUE AND IRREPLACEABLE CASTAWAY POINT PARK, AS WELL AS THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON.

I THINK THE BIGGEST BENEFIT OF YOUR VOTE TO NO TO THESE AMENDMENT CHANGES IS THAT IT SAYS YES TO WHO YOU ARE AS LEADERS, THE KIND OF LEADERS THAT MAYOR MEDINA MENTIONED IN HIS JULY 2ND MAYORAL MESSAGE, WHERE WE HONOR OUR FOUNDING FATHERS, AS WELL AS HONORING CURRENT LEGISLATIVE LEADERS WHO HAVE JUST BROUGHT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF FUNDING TO PALM BAY FOR NUTRIENT BAFFLING NUTRIENT REMOVAL BAFFLE BOXES AND SEPTIC TO SEWER CONVERSIONS.

MAYOR MEDINA SAID, I TRULY BELIEVE WE MUST ADDRESS THIS ISSUE TO PROTECT OUR INDIAN RIVER LAGOON AND OUR QUALITY OF LIFE.

THESE ARE THE SAME ISSUES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IN THIS AREA WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT.

ANOTHER PART.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. OH, THANK YOU.

NEXT SPEAKER. MISS MAYOR RUSSELL.

I BELIEVE MR. VICTOR FIRST AND FOLLOWS BY MARY.

I GO ON AT 3901 DIXIE HIGHWAY, PALM BAY, FLORIDA.

AND EVERYTHING I HEARD TONIGHT THAT WAS PRESENTED TO YOU ON ALL THESE DIFFERENT ISSUES IS THE SAME ISSUE THAT I'M HERE FOR.

BASICALLY IS THE HIGH RISE IS HIGH DENSITY.

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40 YEARS AGO AND YOU STILL CAPTURED IT AND NOW IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO START ALL OVER AGAIN.

AND I DON'T SEE WHY IT HAS TO WHEN YOUR PREVIOUS PEOPLE BEFORE YOU ZONED IT A CERTAIN WAY AND NOW THIS WORD, I LOOKED IT UP AND IT'S BASICALLY CHANGE IT THE VARIANCE.

THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

YOU'RE GOING TO CHANGE WHAT OTHER PEOPLE HAD IN MIND FOR YOUR COMMUNITY, WHICH I'M PART OF IT NOW.

THEN I GO BACK TO THE SAME THING AS IF YOU ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN WITHOUT A CLEAR STRUCTURE, BLACK AND WHITE PICTURE OF WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO. NOT THIS MAYBE AND THIS.

AND I DON'T LIKE THAT.

THAT'S NOT THE WAY TO DO BUSINESS.

IF I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU MONEY, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE ME BACK.

WELL, IF YOU IF YOU GIVE THEM THE PERMIT TO DO THIS, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO.

I'M NOT AGAINST THEM BUILDING.

I'M AGAINST THE SWISH WASHING.

AND I ASKED YOU, PLEASE.

HAVE THEM COME FORWARD WITH A CLEAR PLAN.

THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD THIS. THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD THIS, AND THEY'RE GOING TO DO THAT.

AND THIS IS IT.

AS LONG AS THEY KEEP SAYING MAYBE AND IF AND THAT THAT LEAVES ALL OF US OUT IN THE STRING, WE DON'T KNOW.

AND I FEEL THAT THAT'S UNFAIR TO US.

SO I'M ASKING YOU AS MY REPRESENTATIVES, TO ASK THEM TO GIVE YOU A BLACK AND WHITE CLEAR PICTURE OF WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD.

BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC ALONE, IF I GO DOWN 95 AND THAT SAME AREA, I SEE NOTHING BUT SKID MARKS FROM PEOPLE.

THEY ALMOST COLLIDE WITH EACH OTHER.

I SEE LIGHT POLES ALWAYS BEING DRIVEN DOWN.

I SEE DEBRIS ALL OVER OUR ROAD FROM PEOPLE DRIVING TOO FAST AND THAT SAME AREA.

AND NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 200 EMPLOYEES.

WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO PARK? THAT MEANS THAT WHEN I GO TO THE PARK WITH MY CAR BECAUSE YOU SEE HOW I WALK AND I ONLY LIVE A HALF A BLOCK AWAY, I CAN'T PARK BECAUSE SOMEBODY THAT'S GOING TO BE IN THAT BUILDING IS GOING TO BE PARKING THERE BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE NO FACILITY TO PARKING, NO MATTER HOW MUCH THEY SAY THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT.

AND THAT'S IT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER.

UM. COUNCIL STAFF.

MARY, INTERRUPT THAT THAT DISCUSSION.

RUSSELL, I'M GOING TO INTERRUPT THAT DISCUSSION BECAUSE AT THIS POINT, I'M GOING TO ASK FOR A MOTION TO GO BEYOND THE 2300 HOUR.

SO I NEED A MOTION TO CONTINUE.

MAKE A MOTION TO ADD PER ORDINANCE TO ADD AN EXTRA 30 MINUTES TO CARRY THE MEETING TILL 1130.

SECOND, I GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. PASSES FOUR ZERO.

NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

IT'S RUSSELL. HOLLOWS BY LOUIS FORTUNE.

MARY JANE RUSSELL 3266, FAIRFAX AVENUE.

I WE PUT IN YOUR PACKETS THESE PETITIONS.

WE HAD 305 PETITIONERS SIGNED AND MADE COMMENTS.

SO I HOPE YOU LOOKED AT THOSE.

AND THERE WERE SOME LETTERS ALSO.

THEY WERE VERY EASY TO GET.

ALL I NEEDED TO DO WAS SAY WHAT THEY WANTED TO DEVELOP THEIR CASTAWAY.

AND THAT'S WHERE MOST OF THEM WERE GOTTEN.

RIGHT AT CASTAWAY.

UM, YOU MENTIONED EARLIER IN THE EVENING THE BENEFITS OF THE PARKS AND REC IN PALM BAY PARKS AND REC MONTH.

SO IF YOU PLUG ALL THOSE GOOD THINGS ABOUT PARKS AND REC INTO MY SPEECH RIGHT NOW, I'D APPRECIATE IT.

I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO PLEASE PROTECT YOURS, MINE AND PALM BAY RESIDENTS ONLY.

RIVERFRONT PARK.

THE ONLY ONE YOU HAVE.

IT'S YOURS. IT'S OURS.

IT'S THE ONLY ONE WE HAVE.

BEFORE YOU MAKE ANY IMPACTING CHANGES TO ADJACENT PROPERTIES TO THE PARK, PLEASE VISIT CASTAWAY, SEE A SUNRISE.

SEE A SUNSET.

BEFORE YOU WERE ELECTED THE DEVELOPERS.

PLANNED TO MAKE MONEY.

I WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER ADDITIONAL.

CONSIDERATIONS. THE BEAUTY, NATURE AND CHARM OF CASTAWAY WITH THE RABBITS AND SQUIRRELS GROWING AROUND. THE MANATEES.

DOLPHINS JUMPING FISH IN THE RIVER.

THE BUTTERFLIES, THE WILDLIFE, THE BIRDS.

AND OF COURSE, ALL THE PEOPLE THAT GO TO CASTAWAY FROM ALL OVER.

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THE THE.

THE BRICK LINED PATHS, THE PAVILION.

YOU ALREADY SPENT MONEY AND MADE IMPROVEMENTS TO CAST AWAY, SO YOU MUST HAVE LIKED IT.

WITH ALL THE PEOPLE MOVING HERE.

WE NEED MORE PARK SPACE, NOT LESS.

PLEASE DON'T ALLOW PALM BAY'S ONLY WATERFRONT PARK TO BE FOREVER DAMAGED.

CONSIDER EXPANDING CASTAWAY.

THROUGH GRANTS AND MAYBE OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION FUNDS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

NEXT SPEAKER. IT'S 14.

MY NAME IS LUIS FORTUN.

3901 DIXIE HIGHWAY, NORTHEAST CASTAWAY COVE.

A FEW MONTHS AGO, THESE PEOPLE GOT TOGETHER WITH US AT A HOTEL UP THE ROAD A BIT AND SAID THEY WANT TO PUT A 3 TO 5 STORY MEMORY CARE CENTER. WE SAID, OKAY, WHAT ABOUT PARKING? OH, THOSE PEOPLE, THEY WON'T BE PARKING.

THEY DON'T NEED A WHOLE LOT OF PARKING SPACES.

IT'LL MOSTLY BE FOR THE WORKERS.

OKAY, THAT MAKES SENSE.

NOW THEY'RE SAYING, WELL, MAYBE WE'LL DO ASSISTED LIVING.

OR MAYBE EVEN A HOTEL.

THERE IS NO PARKING.

THEY WANT TO BUILD A RESTAURANT ON THAT TINY PIECE OF LAND.

YOU GUYS NEED TO GO CHECK IT OUT.

THERE IS NO ROOM.

I TOTALLY GET THAT.

WE COULD HAVE SOME KIND OF BAYFRONT DEVELOPMENT, BUT FOR WHAT THEY WANT, IT'S TOO BIG FOR THAT LOT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

NEXT SPEAKER. REPRESENTATIVE OF MARINE RESOURCE COUNCIL.

HELLO, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

MY NAME'S KEN PARKS.

I'M A STAFF DIRECTOR WITH MARINE RESOURCES COUNCIL 3275 DIXIE HIGHWAY, NORTHEAST PALM BAY.

I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF OUR BOARD OF DIRECTORS.

OUR CHAIRMAN HAD TO BE AT AN ENGAGEMENT IN STUART TONIGHT AND ASKED ME TO SPEAK FOR HIM.

THESE COMMENTS.

I WOULD ASK THAT YOU ACCEPT THEM FOR 20 AND 21 SO THEY APPLY TO BOTH MAYOR AND PALM BAY CITY COUNCIL.

MARINE RESOURCES COUNCIL IS PROUD THAT PALM BAY IS ITS HOMETOWN AND OUR COUNCIL AND ITS HUNDREDS OF ACTIVE MEMBERS HAVE ADVOCATED TO PROTECT AND RESTORE THE ENTIRE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON ECOSYSTEM FOR MORE THAN 30 YEARS.

A HEALTHY INDIAN RIVER LAGOON IS ESSENTIAL TO A HEALTHY REGIONAL ECONOMY AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.

DECISIONS AND INFRASTRUCTURE CHOICES MADE IN THE PAST HAVE DONE GREAT HARM TO THE LAGOON.

FORTUNATELY, A GROWING AMOUNT OF MONEY AND POLITICAL CAPITAL IS NOW BEING INVESTED TO MAKE THE LAGOON HEALTHIER AND TO ALLOW IT TO RECOVER.

PALM BAY. A THOUGHTFUL, COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING IS VITAL TO PROTECTING OUR COASTLINES AND LIMITING NEGATIVE IMPACTS TO THE LAGOON.

AQUATIC ENVIRONMENT.

MARINE RESOURCES COUNCIL STRONGLY SUPPORTS SENSIBLE AND SUSTAINABLE LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT.

PALM BAY HAS EXPRESSED ITS SUPPORT OF SENSIBLE, SUSTAINABLE, LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT.

AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT YOU AS A COMMUNITY, DECISION MAKERS ARE CONFRONTED WITH PRESSURES AND INCENTIVES TO ALLOW CONSIDERABLE HIGHER DENSITY OF USE AND DEVELOPMENT ON CASTAWAY POINT ALONG THE BANKS OF THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON WITH INCREASING DENSITY AND HEIGHT.

OVER WHAT IS CURRENTLY PERMITTED.

THE MARINE RESOURCES COUNCIL WAS CONTACTED URGENTLY VERY RECENTLY BY THE NEIGHBORS OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AND OUR SISTER ORGANIZATION, THE BREVARD INDIAN RIVER LAGOON COALITION, AND REQUESTED TO IMMEDIATELY JOIN THEM IN A WRITTEN REQUEST TO YOU THAT WAS SUBMITTED IN YOUR PACKET.

IN ESSENCE, WHAT IT SAYS IS THAT WE URGE YOU TO PROTECT THE CITY COMMUNITY'S TRUST AND THE BAYFRONT DEVELOPMENT PLAN, LOWER DENSITY AND WITH PUBLIC USE.

AND TO DENY CP TWO 304 AND CPC Z23003.

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I PERSONALLY WANT TO THANK YOU FOR HOW COLD IT WAS IN HERE TONIGHT, BECAUSE I HAVE JUST BEEN I HAVE BEEN SO HOT FOR THE LAST 5 OR 6 DAYS AND IT KEPT ME AWAKE, TOO.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER CURTIS MCKINNEY.

STOOD. CHRISTINA.

BUTCH. BUTCH? IS THAT CORRECT? CHRISTINA. I'M SORRY.

HI, MY NAME IS CHRISTINA BUSHLER AND I RESIDE AT 2920 BAY BOULEVARD, SO I'M DIRECTLY PRETTY MUCH IN FRONT OF WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING DEVELOPMENT THAT IS DONE WITH RESPECT FOR OUR FUTURE.

THE LAGOON AND OUR CHILDREN IS A CHOICE.

AND I HOPE TONIGHT THAT THIS COUNCIL MAKES THE BEST POSSIBLE CHOICE FOR OUR CHILDREN'S CHILDREN.

MY NAME, LIKE I SAID, IS CHRISTINA BUSHLER.

I'M A MOTHER. I'M A WIFE, AND I'M A UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA MASTER GARDENER.

AND I RESIDE ALONG THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON.

I BELIEVE TONIGHT'S REQUEST MADE BY STEAMBOAT LANDING TO AMEND THEIR PLANNING AND ZONING CATEGORY DOES NOT SERVE OUR COMMUNITY'S BEST INTEREST.

MOREOVER, I BELIEVE THAT THE REQUEST STRONGLY CONTRADICTS THE 2024 REDEVELOPMENT PLAN AND SHOULD BE DENIED BY CITY COUNCIL.

CHANGE IS INEVITABLE, I KNOW THAT.

BUT ALLOWING AN 11 STORY DEVELOPMENT WITH 150 DWELLINGS IS THAT WHAT'S BEST FOR OUR CITY'S MOST HISTORIC WATERFRONT GREEN SPACE? ENTERTAIN THIS REQUEST SENDS A STRONG MESSAGE TO COASTLINE DEVELOPERS THAT PALM BAY IS NOT ACTING WITH THEIR OWN REDEVELOPMENT PLAN IN MIND.

I BELIEVE WHEN IT COMES TO THE COASTLINE DEVELOPMENT TONIGHT, IT'S CHAPTER ONE.

IT'S CHAPTER ONE FOR CITY COUNCIL.

AND I CANNOT EMPHASIZE HOW MUCH OF A PRECEDENT THAT THIS VOTE IS GOING TO SEND TO OTHER DEVELOPERS.

LAST SEPTEMBER, PALM BAY WAS AWARDED $60,000 BY FDEP COASTAL PARTNERSHIP INITIATIVE GRANT.

AND I WANT TO THANK YOU, PALM BAY LEADERS FOR MATCHING THAT COMMITMENT AND ADDING $92,643.

THAT WAS A VOTE THAT YOU DID LAST SEPTEMBER.

NOW, MORE THAN $150,000 IS SLATED TO INCREASE PUBLIC AWARENESS OF THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON, IMPROVED STORMWATER MANAGEMENT WITHIN CASTAWAY POINT PARK AND PROVIDE PUBLIC EDUCATION REGARDING THE SITE'S HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE.

THAT IS A NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED MARINE ESTUARY.

SO HOW DOES TONIGHT'S VOTE TO REZONE THIS AREA INTO AN URBAN MIXED USE IMPACT THE PRESERVATION EFFORTS? IT'S IT'S REALLY DOESN'T ALIGN WITH WHAT I SEE WOULD BE BEST FOR THE NEXT 1030 OR 50 YEARS.

CASTAWAY POINT PARK IS A HIDDEN GEM OF THE SPACE COAST AND IT'S ONE OF THE FEW GREEN SPACES THAT FAMILIES CAN GO TO APPRECIATE NATURE AND WATCH THE FUTURE OF SPACE EXPLORATION OFF THE SHORE OF INDIAN RIVER LAGOON.

I PERSONALLY, YOU PROBABLY SAW MY DAUGHTER RUNNING AROUND HERE TONIGHT, AND I PERSONALLY TRY TO TAKE HER DOWN THERE EVERY LAUNCH THAT'S AT A REASONABLE HOUR TO WATCH THOSE LAUNCHES. AND YOU TALK ABOUT MARY JANE TALKED ABOUT THE SUNRISES, BUT YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE THE SUNSETS IF YOU PUT THIS UP OR ANYTHING ELSE UP.

SO FINALLY, I ASK THAT YOU EACH PERSONALLY WALK THIS HISTORIC SITE OR DRIVE DOWN BAY BOULEVARD OR KIRKLAND AND THINK ABOUT THIS FACILITY BEING BUILT OR THINK ABOUT A CONCERT VENUE AND THINK ABOUT IS THAT REALISTIC AND IS THAT BEST FOR WHAT OUR COMMUNITY NEEDS? THANK YOU. YASHA BUTCHER, SHE'S STILL HERE.

YASHA. SEE.

SAY AGAIN. SHASHA.

BUSHLER. SHE'S NOT HERE.

SHE OKAY? JENNA.

BACHELOR. DID YOU HAVE? AND HAND THEM TO US, MA'AM, IF YOU LIKE.

MR. DAVID RIGG. DAVID, WE HAVE LEFT.

WE'RE ALREADY ON OVER.

IS IT TO EACH IT'S AN ONE EACH.

I'M AN ATHERTON 3901 DIXIE HIGHWAY.

MR. MAYOR, YOU WERE BRAGGING ABOUT PALM BAY PARKS.

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I'M NOT AGAINST THE DEVELOPMENT.

AS LONG AS IT STAYS LOW DENSITY.

NOT 110FT.

AGAIN, YOU NEED TO GO DOWN THERE AND SEE WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO PARK EVERYONE.

ARE THEY GOING TO PUT A PARKING GARAGE IN THE HOTEL AND THE INDIVIDUALS ON TOP? JUST LET'S KEEP IT LOW DENSITY.

I'M NOT AGAINST PROGRESS.

THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS NOT THERE FOR IT.

HONESTLY, IT'S NOT.

AND THAT'S IT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. NEXT SPEAKER.

THERE. THIS CONCLUDE ITEM 20.

NO, THERE'S. THE MASTER CHIEF.

BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST.

BROUGHT UP THE ACREAGE OF CASTAWAY POINT.

CASTAWAY POINT IS THREE QUARTERS OF AN ACRE.

THAT'S THE ACTUAL SIDE, ACCORDING TO THE TAX COLLECTOR'S OFFICE.

RIGHT? AFTER TRYING TO BUILD A BAR OR A HOTEL OR RESTAURANT ON THAT.

MY QUESTION IS, ONCE YOU GET YOUR RETENTION POND IN THERE, HOW BIG IS THIS ITEM GOING TO BE ON THREE QUARTERS OF AN ACRE? SO FIRST I'D SAY THAT.

THAT SITE IS TOO SMALL FOR THAT.

THE SECOND THING I'D SAY IS HISTORICALLY WE HAVE SEEN WHERE DEVELOPERS SAY, WELL, I HAVE THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY OVER HERE.

I WANT TO LOOK AT THAT AS MY MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT IN ORDER TO MEET THE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT AREA, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF ADDITIONAL SPACE WHILE THEY'RE USING THE LITTLE ISLAND OR THE LITTLE PENINSULA OUT TO THE SIDE AS PART OF THE OVERALL OBJECTIVE.

DEVELOPERS TRIED THIS BEFORE WHEN THEY PUT THEIR DEVELOPMENT ON US ONE, BUT THEY SAID OUR GREEN SPACE AND PUBLIC ACCESS IS GOING TO BE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF US, ONE ALONG THE WATERFRONT.

AND YOU SAW THEN THAT THAT WAS A TONGUE IN CHEEK PLOY AND IT WASN'T PRACTICAL.

RIGHT? THE DEVELOPER HAD AN APPROVED PLAN TO DEVELOP, WHICH WAS GREAT FOR THE CITY.

THAT WAS FORWARD MOTION IN DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY.

NOW THIS LOOKS KNOW BY BATTEN STANDARDS.

I WANT TO SAY THIS LOOKS A LITTLE BIT SHADY.

IT MIGHT NOT BE.

BUT REMEMBER, A PERSON'S PERCEPTION IS ALSO THEIR REALITY.

AND THAT'S THE WAY THIS IS LOOKING WHEN THEY ASK WHEN WHEN THE THE MEETINGS WITH THE RESIDENTS, THEY ASK, WELL, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO HERE? WELL, WE CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

WHAT DO YOU WHAT IS YOUR OVERALL PLAN WHEN THEY GET ANSWERS LIKE, WE CAN'T ANSWER THAT AND THAT'S GOING TO BE TWO YEARS DOWN THE LINE.

THOSE AREN'T THE ANSWERS WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR PUBLIC INPUT INTERACTIONS WITH DEVELOPERS.

SO OVERALL.

IT JUST LOOKS A LITTLE SHADY TO THE BILL BATTEN SIDE, RIGHT? I AM NOT GOING TO ADDRESS ORDINANCE 2345 TO SAVE TIME.

BACK ON POLICY OF THE CITY, THOUGH I THOUGHT WHEN WE ASKED FOR AN EXTENSION, I THOUGHT IT WAS 15 MINUTE EXTENSION AND THEN IF YOU HAD AN ADDITIONAL YOU HAD ADD FOR ANOTHER 15 FOR A TOTAL OF 30 MINUTE EXTENSIONS.

THAT'S HOW I THOUGHT THE ORDINANCE WAS WRITTEN.

30, 30.

OKAY. 30. 30.

I'LL BE CORRECTED.

ALL RIGHT. CARRY ON.

ANY ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK.

OKAY, SIR, YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL AT THIS POINT? YES. LET ME START HERE.

SO. I UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE CONCERNS OF THE RESIDENTS.

UH, SOME OF THEM, THOUGH A LITTLE BIT DRAMATIC, ARE NOT REALLY TRUTHFUL.

THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, CURRENTLY THE SITE ALLOWS FOR 70 FOOT TALL BUILDING.

WHICH WILL INEVITABLY BE BUILT.

THE CHANGE IN THE ZONING ALLOWS FOR A 70 FOOT.

TALL BUILDING IN ORDER TO GET 110FT.

THERE HAVE TO BE MAJOR CONCESSIONS AND IMPROVEMENTS TO THE AREA.

SO THE THINGS THAT THE RESIDENTS ARE ACTUALLY ASKING FOR, WE WOULD BE PROVIDING AT OUR OWN EXPENSE.

OKAY. NOT AT THE EXPENSE OF THE TAXPAYERS OF THE CITY, WHICH IS KIND OF WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR.

MANY OF THEM ARE.

AS FAR AS THE PRISTINE ENVIRONMENT, WE AGREE.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE, THE WHOLE LITTLE BLUE LINE IN FRONT OF THERE THAT IS ACTUALLY OWNED BY THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

IT WILL REMAIN OWNED BY THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

WE ARE NOT ASKING TO BUY THE PARK.

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WE ACTUALLY SEE THE PARK AS A VERY VALUABLE PORTION OF OUR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.

AS FAR AS US PRESENTING A SITE PLAN, THERE IS A SITE PLAN ON FILE THAT SHOWS WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE USE OF THE OF THE OF THE SITE COULD BE.

THERE IS A FILE, THERE'S A SITE PLAN THAT SHOWS A RESTAURANT, A MARINA AND ALL THOSE THINGS.

WE'VE PRESENTED THAT TO THE TO THE RESIDENTS IN THE PAST.

AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE HAD A WE HAD A PROJECTED BUILDING SITE THAT SHOWED THE 70 FOOT TALL BUILDING AND A RENDERING THAT WE HAD ACTUALLY PRESENTED TO THE RESIDENTS AT THE AT THE RESIDENT AT THE HEARING WITH THE RESIDENTS AT THE HOTEL THAT THEY HAD MENTIONED PARKING. OKAY.

IF WE ARE TO PRESENT A REVISED PLAN, WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE WE'RE REQUIRED TO MEET ALL THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.

WE CAN'T JUST PUT PEOPLE OUT THERE WITHOUT WITHOUT PARKING.

YOU GUYS WON'T LET US DESIGN OR BUILD A PROJECT WITHOUT THE PROPER AMOUNT OF PARKING.

REGARDING THE THE POINT, THE POINT SITE, THERE WOULD BE A SHARED USE PARKING AGREEMENT.

THAT'S ALL. THAT'S. THERE'S ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY THERE THAT WE WOULD DEVELOP CONTIGUOUSLY AND WE WOULD HAVE SUFFICIENT PARKING FOR ANY USE THAT WE HAD THERE, INCLUDING THE POSSIBILITY OF THERE'S ALWAYS A POSSIBILITY OF, OF VALET PARKING, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS AN OPTION IF YOU HAD A PARKING SITE THAT'S SLIGHTLY REMOTE.

BUT BEYOND THAT, WE WOULD MEET ALL THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND THERE ARE PROVISIONS TO ALLOW FOR SHARED PARKING AGREEMENTS WITHIN A SEMI CONTIGUOUS SITE LIKE THAT AND WITH BINDING DEVELOPMENT ORDERS AND BINDING DEVELOPMENT PLANS.

UM, MR. MCKINNEY.

WE GOT A FEW MINUTES HERE. YOU WANT TO SPEAK? YEAH, SURE DO. UM, GUYS, WE'RE TALKING A LOT ABOUT THIS HERE.

PARKING AND DISTANCES AND EVERYTHING.

BUT WE'RE ONLY REFERENCING THIS.

I KNOW THAT WE'VE TURNED IN ABOUT 500 SHEETS OF PAPER.

DO WE HAVE THE ONE HERE THAT SHOWS THE SITE PLAN, THE APPROVED SITE PLAN FOR THE CITY OF PALM BAY? WE'D LIKE TO SEE THAT SO THAT EVERYBODY CAN SEE THAT WE HAVE A LISTING FOR EVERY SINGLE BUILDING TO BE BUILT THERE, ALONG WITH THE PERMITTED MEMORY CARE.

WE'D LIKE TO ALSO BRING TO EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION THAT THERE'S NOT 54 UNITS, MA'AM.

THERE'S 167 UNITS THAT'S ALREADY PRE APPROVED TO GO ON THAT SITE.

THAT'S WITH THE MEMORY CARE.

THAT'S WITH THE ASSISTED LIVING CARE AND ALL THE THINGS COMBINED.

THE CHANGES IN THESE TWO ITEMS ONLY TAKE IT TO 177 FROM 167.

YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A BIG CHANGE IN IN UNITS.

THOSE ARE FACTS.

THE PROPERTY IS 4.5 ACRES OF MASTER SERGEANT.

THE TOTAL ON THE POINT OUT THERE IS 1.351.

SIR, SIR. SIR. IT'S OKAY NOW.

I WAS JUST TRYING TO TELL HIM IT'S.

HE'S GOT THE IMPROPER OR SOMEBODY GOT THE IMPROPER STUFF FROM BREVARD COUNTY PROPERTY APPRAISER.

IT'S ABOUT A ONE AND A HALF ACRE PARCEL ON THE POINT, AND IT'S ALREADY PRE DEVELOPED WITH RETAINING PONDS, WITH EXPANDED ROADWAYS ON BAY BOULEVARD.

ALL OF THAT STUFF HAS ALREADY BEEN SHOWN AND DRAWN AND DESIGNED WITH LAND DEVELOPMENT IN MIND, AND IT HAS NO TRAFFIC IMPACT TO THE ROADWAY TO BAY BOULEVARD, ANYTHING GOING DOWN THROUGH THERE.

SO THERE'S NO IMPACT.

THE CITY'S ALREADY COVERED ALL THAT THROUGH YOUR SITE DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM.

WE'RE ALREADY PERMITTED FOR 48 OF THE UNITS, THE SEPTIC AND SEWER.

ALL THOSE RESERVES HAVE ALREADY BEEN PAID FOR TO THE CITY AND THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN RESERVED.

THERE'S NO IMPACT TO THE LAGOON.

I'M GOING TO COVER THAT IN A MINUTE.

BUT THE PARKING AREAS, IT'S ALL JOINT PARKING THERE.

SO A LOT OF THE PARKING THERE IS GOING TO HAPPEN BETWEEN BOTH PARCELS OF LAND.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THAT LITTLE PARCEL OUT ON THE POINT THAT EVERYBODY THINKS WE'RE GOING TO PARK.

WE GOT 37 PARKING SPACES OUT ON THAT POINT WITH THE RESTAURANT AND WITH THE OFFICE SPACES THAT SUPPORT THE ASSISTED LIVING CARE IN THE MEMORY CARE.

SO THERE'S ONLY 32 OR 37 SPACES OUT THERE.

AND IT ALSO COMES WITH VALET PARKING TO BRING THE VEHICLES BACK UP TO THE TOP PARKING AREA WHERE THE REST OF THE LAND, THE REST OF THE FOUR AND A HALF ACRES IS LOCATED AT.

THEY WAS TALKING ABOUT THE PARK.

WE'RE NOT TOUCHING THE PARK.

WE DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH THE PARK.

WE HAD A WE HAD AN OPTION AT ONE TIME TO PURCHASE SOME LAND BY THE PARK AND WE NEVER EXECUTED IT.

THE CITY NOW, SINCE THE RESIDENTS DON'T KNOW THIS, BUT YOU ALL HAVE EXPANDED ON THE PARK, YOU'VE GOT A BIG GRANT IN PLACE AND YOU ALL ARE EXPANDING THE PARK RIGHT NOW, PUTTING IN ADDITIONAL PARKING FOR THE PARK.

AND THE PARK IS NEVER GOING TO BE AN IMPACTED BY US.

IF ANYTHING, THE CITY OF PALM BAY IS BASICALLY EXPANDING THE PARK STRICTLY FOR THE USE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THAT'S WHERE IT'S GOING TO STAY AT.

WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER LAURIE AND SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE WERE AWARE OF THAT.

THE HOTELS AND RESTAURANTS AND ALL THE OTHER ITEMS THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT.

YOU CAN PUT ALL OF THOSE DOWN THERE.

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AND WE'VE NOT EVER OFFERED TO PUT A HOTEL DOWN THERE, NEVER EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT PUTTING A HOTEL DOWN THERE.

I THINK IT WOULD BE A TERRIBLE SPOT FOR THE HOTEL.

JIMMY BUFFETT WANTED TO PUT MARGARITAVILLE DOWN THERE, BE A TERRIBLE PLACE FOR MARGARITAVILLE, PUT IT UP IN MELBOURNE.

SO WHAT WE SAID, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT JUST WOULDN'T FIT ON THAT POINT DOWN THERE OR FIT ON THAT WHOLE FOUR AND A HALF ACRE AREA.

WE HAD A LOT OF TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IMPACTING THE LAGOON, IMPACTING THE LAGOON.

WE DON'T PUT A DROP OF WATER IN THAT LAGOON.

WE DON'T PUT A SINGLE DROP OF WATER IN THAT LAGOON THAT'S NOT TREATED AND IT'S NOT MANAGED BY A DNP, EPA AND THE SAINT JOHNS WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.

WE DON'T PUT AND WE ACTUALLY HOLD WATER FROM THE AREAS THAT COME IN AND DOWN KIRKLAND ROAD INTO OUR PROPERTY.

SO AS FAR AS FOR RETAINAGE GOES STORAGE CAPACITY, WE HAVE TO MEET THOSE THINGS ALONG WITH UPGRADING ALL OF THE WATER AND ALL OF THE LIFT STATIONS AND ALL THE SANITARY SEWER. IT WAS ANOTHER AGREEMENT THAT WE ENTERED INTO WITH THE UTILITY AGREEMENT TO UPGRADE ALL OF THAT SEPTIC SYSTEM AND ALL OF THE WATER SYSTEM DOWN IN THAT WHOLE BOTTOM OF THE BAY AREA THERE.

SO THE BAY LAGOON, WE'RE NOT GOING TO TOUCH IT.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING TO IT.

WE'RE NEVER GOING TO GET OUR TOE IN THE WATER.

GRANTED, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE A DOCK OUT THERE.

WE HAVE A THREE AND A HALF ACRE UNDERWATER LAND LEASE THAT WAS GIVEN TO US BY THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS.

WE WOULD LIKE TO UTILIZE THAT AND MAYBE PUT A DOCK OUT THERE AND MAYBE HAVE A TIKI BAR OUT THERE, SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY COULD USE.

BUT WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING THAT ADVERSELY AFFECTS THE LAGOON IN ANY WAY, MEANS OR FASHIONS.

THE WILDLIFE IS GOING TO BE MAINTAINED AND IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THERE ALL THE TIME.

UM, THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE HAVE NEGATIVELY TOWARDS THE WATERWAYS.

THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT IT.

IT'S ACTUALLY THE DRAW TO THE AREA.

IT'S ACTUALLY AN AMENITY TO OUR DEVELOPMENT, JUST LIKE IT'S A AMENITY TO THEIR AREA IN WHICH THEY LIVE.

AS TO THE PARK, IT'S JUST AN AMENITY FOR EVERY ONE OF US.

I WOULDN'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING AND I DON'T THINK ANYONE HERE COULD STAND IN FRONT OF Y'ALL OR Y'ALL COULD JUST SIT BEHIND THAT PODIUM RIGHT THERE AND SAY THAT Y'ALL BELIEVE THAT SOMETHING'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE WATER AND THE IMPACT.

IT'S GOING TO IMPACT THE LAGOON BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THAT AIN'T GOING TO HAPPEN.

YOU CAN'T EVEN TALK ABOUT THAT.

AS FAR AS FOR THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDINGS, THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDINGS ARE DEFLECTED FROM US ONE TO THE RIVER AT THE MIDDLE OF THAT PROPERTY FROM US, ONE TO THE RIVER.

THESE PEOPLE MIGHT NOT KNOW THIS, BUT FROM US ONE TO THE RIVER, THE CITY OF PALM BAY SAID THERE'S A CENTER LINE THERE.

AND THAT CENTER LINE, YOU CAN BE 70 FOOT TALL, 70 FOOT TALL RIGHT THERE AT THAT CENTER LINE IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN 70 FOOT TALL DOWN AT THAT WATERWAY BECAUSE AS YOU GO DOWNHILL, STUFF GETS LOWER.

SO THERE ARE SOME THINGS HERE THAT PEOPLE'S REALLY NOT GOTTEN INTO OUR DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM.

THEY'VE NOT WENT TO LAND DEVELOPMENT, THEY'VE NOT RESEARCHED IT.

THEY'VE NOT DONE THEIR DUE DILIGENCE.

THEY'VE NOT LOOKED AT THE DRAWINGS.

THEY'VE NOT SEEN THE SURVEYS, THEY'VE NOT SEEN THE BUILDINGS.

ALL OF THIS STUFF IS SHOWN ON ALL OF OUR DRAWINGS.

THEY ASSISTED LIVING CARE IS SHOWN ON THE DRAWING.

THE MEMORY CARE IS SHOWN ON THE DRAWING, THE RESTAURANT AND THE OFFICE AREAS AND THE LITTLE TIKI BAR THAT GOES OUT.

IT'S ALL SHOWN ON THE DRAWING.

WE'RE NEVER CHANGING FROM THAT.

WE'RE JUST MOVING SOME ROOMS AROUND.

WE'RE GETTING RID OF WE'RE GETTING RID OF A OF A THEATER, A CINEMA AREA INSIDE ONE OF THE BUILDINGS.

WE'RE MAKING ROOMS FOR CLINICAL AREAS.

THERE'S THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DO BECAUSE TIMES CHANGE.

COVID CHANGED EVERYTHING AND THE WHOLE MEDICAL INDUSTRY, WE DIDN'T CHANGE IT.

THE GOVERNMENT'S CHANGED IT.

NOW EVERYTHING'S ALL DUPLICATED AND ENFORCED DIFFERENTLY.

I DON'T TELL YOU THIS.

OUR OPERATOR WILL TELL YOU THIS HE COULDN'T OPERATE THE FACILITY THE WAY IT WAS DESIGNED TO BEGIN WITH.

HE WANTS TO RE OPERATE AND HE'S OPERATES PROBABLY ABOUT 1700 OR 1800 BEDS.

SO HE DOES 10 OR 15 FACILITIES THAT HE OPERATES.

SO HE'S ALSO COMING TO US WITH SUGGESTIONS IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF A MOVING TARGET.

I KNOW WHAT PEOPLE WOULD SAY.

I DON'T WANT TO BE ABLE OR I DON'T WANT TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THINGS THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO BE BUILT THERE.

WELL, YOU KNOW, IN DEVELOPMENT, THERE IS THINGS THAT MOVE AND CHANGE.

EVEN THE CITY DEFLECTS US TO MAKE CHANGES.

THANK YOU. SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. COUNCIL.

ANY QUESTIONS? UM.

COUNCILMAN. JOHNSON.

NOT. NOT A QUESTION.

MORE OF A STATEMENT.

I APPRECIATE THE ELABORATION AND EVERYTHING.

JUST WHAT'S YOUR LAST NAME, SIR? MAYES. MAYES.

JUST, UM.

IN AN EFFORT TO BREAK DOWN BARRIERS AND NOT BUILD THEM UP.

I WOULD REFRAIN FROM USING TERMS LIKE DRAMATIC AS IT COULD COME UP, HOW IT CAN COME OFF TO NEIGHBORS BECAUSE THIS IS THIS IS THEIR LIVELIHOOD AS WELL.

SO WE WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS WORKING WITH ONE ANOTHER.

MISTER MCKINNEY, I APPRECIATE YOU ELABORATING THE WAY YOU DID.

AND I'M NOT TRYING TO COME DOWN ON YOU, SIR.

I JUST I KNOW HOW IT CAN BE RECEIVED.

SO THAT'S THAT'S ALL THAT IS WITH THAT, SIR.

BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I DO APPRECIATE THE ELABORATION.

THAT'S IT, MAYOR. IT'S AN EMOTIONAL.

ANY ANY QUESTIONS? YES. UH, COUNCILMAN FOSTER, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILMAN. FOSTER. IS HE STILL ON THE LINE?

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NO ONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS.

I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK FOR A MOTION.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR TO APPROVE ORDINANCE 20 2344.

I'LL SECOND FOR DISCUSSION.

GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

DEPUTY MAYOR.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. A LOT HAS BEEN SAID, AND I CERTAINLY.

A CLOSE, VERY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THE RESIDENT IN THAT AREA.

I. WELL, BUT I'VE BEEN THERE QUITE A FEW TIMES AND KNOW THE PROPERTY.

KNOW THE PARK.

UM. THE CHALLENGE IS WE CURRENTLY THE CURRENT ZONING WOULD ALLOW THE DEVELOPER TO DEVELOP WITH WITH THE HEIGHT, PARTIALLY WITH THE HEIGHT, PRETTY MUCH THE DENSITY WOULD NOT HAVE CHANGED.

I DON'T SEE AS MUCH OF AN IMPACT THAT COULD HAVE BEEN.

RATHER WE CHANGE IT OR NOT, AND I KNOW IT'S A MATTER OF USE.

USES COULD BE DIFFERENT.

AND I'M A LITTLE TORN ON THIS, BUT I'M LEANING TOWARDS SUPPORTING IT.

BUT ASKING THE DEVELOPER AND IN THESE GENTLEMEN LOOK LIKE THE UPRIGHT GENTLEMEN, LOCAL RESIDENT THAT ARE VERY RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPERS.

I TRULY BELIEVE THEY'RE GOING TO YOU GUYS WILL WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING.

WHAT I WOULD SAY IS, TOO, SHOULD THIS GET APPROVED TONIGHT, I'D LOVE TO SEE YOU GUYS REVISIT THAT COMMUNITY MEETING, SIT WITH THESE FOLKS, LOOK THE POSSIBILITY, GET MORE INPUT, GET THEIR INPUT, SEE HOW WE CAN TRULY WORK TOGETHER.

I'M LEANING TOWARDS SUPPORTING IT.

UH, REGARDLESS, THIS AREA WILL BE DEVELOPED.

AS YOU GUYS SAID, THIS THIS AREA WILL BE BUILT.

BUT IT HAS TO BE BUILT RESPONSIBLY.

IT HAS TO. I MEAN, AND WHAT MY HOPE IS, ONCE YOU GUYS ARE MOVING FORWARD, IT SHOULD THIS GET APPROVED IS THAT IT WILL COME BACK. WE'LL HAVE A SAY.

SO PART OF THE DISCUSSION I'D LIKE TO HEAR THERE IS SOME LEVEL OF AND WE'VE HAD APPLICATION THAT CAME BEFORE US WHERE THE DEVELOPERS AND RESIDENTS WERE COMPLETELY AT ODDS.

ONCE IT CAME BACK AND YOU'VE SEEN A CHANGE OF ATTITUDE RIGHT, TOWARDS BOTH TO WHERE SOME STUFF HAS BEEN WORKED OUT, CONVERSATION HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD CONVERSATION WHERE THE ATTITUDE BOTH SIDE FIND SOME LEVEL OF COMPROMISE WHERE THINGS CAME BACK IN A TOTALLY DIFFERENT MANNER AND THE DEVELOPERS ACTUALLY WERE ABLE TO WENT OVER QUITE A BIT OF RESIDENTS.

SO THAT'S MY HOPE.

FOR THIS SITUATION BECAUSE I'D LOVE TO SEE THE AREA DEVELOP, BUT CERTAINLY IT HAS TO DEVELOP RESPONSIBLY.

THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON IS A BIG ISSUE FOR US, FOR EVERY MEMBER OF THIS COUNCIL.

ME PERSONALLY AS WELL, BECAUSE I KNOW PALM BAY WE HAVE SUCH A HUGE IMPACT OR FOOT FOOTPRINT ON THE LAGOON.

SO WE ARE REALLY WE GOT TO LEAD THE WAY IN TERMS OF POSITIVE CONTRIBUTION TO CURING THE LAGOON.

SO I'D LOVE TO SEE THIS TAKE PLACE, BUT WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO WORK WITH THIS, THIS RESIDENT.

AND REALLY AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS THEIR LIVELIHOOD.

THIS IS WHERE THEY LIVE.

THIS IS SO IT HAS TO BE RIGHT.

WE HAVE TO DO RIGHT BY THEM.

OH, THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR.

UH COUNCILMAN. JOHNSON.

DEPUTY MAYOR. VERY WELL PUT.

VERY, VERY WELL PUT.

AND TO THAT TO THAT POINT, WE HAVE GREAT STAFF THAT'S GOING TO MONITOR THIS.

WE HAVE NATALIE SCHABER.

YOU KNOW, SHE HELPED WITH THE LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT MANUAL.

SO, YOU KNOW, STAFF'S GOING TO STAY ON TOP OF THIS.

AND WE'RE WE'RE HAVING GOOD COMMUNICATION.

I DEFINITELY AGREE IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT, BUT I DEFINITELY DO AGREE WITH MEETING BACK WITH THE RESIDENTS.

SO THAT WAY WE CAN, LIKE I SAID, SO WE CAN SO WE CAN BE GOOD NEIGHBORS SO THAT WE'LL BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.

YES, SIR. HE'S THERE'S NO DIALOG.

YEAH, BUT BUT TO TO CONCLUDE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT VISION 2024 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

WE ARE FOLLOWING THAT.

WE ARE WE WHEN WE WHEN WE SEND IT TO THE STATE.

I SEE DOCTOR JESSE LOOKING LIKE, YEAH, WHEN WE SEND IT TO THE STATE WE TALKED ABOUT URBAN MIXED USE.

THAT'S WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT.

AND THIS IS THIS IS IT RIGHT HERE.

SO WHICH YOU KNOW, WHICH IS IT? WE DO WANT TO BE RESPONSIBLE, BUT ARE WE GOING TO FOLLOW THE COMP PLAN OR WHAT?

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THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN.

JOHNSON. COUNCILMAN.

FOSTER. ARE YOU ON THE LINE? YES, I AM. YOUR COMMENT, SIR? I HAVE NO COMMENT. THANK YOU.

UM, I'LL START WITH THIS DEPUTY MAYOR.

I LOVE THAT YOU MADE THE MOTION AND HOW YOU WERE ELOQUENTLY SHARED THE COMPROMISE ASPECT OF THIS.

UM, THERE ARE SEVERAL CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED THAT I'M GLAD MR. MCKINNEY YOU ADDRESSED.

IN PARTICULAR, WE HAVE THIS COUNCIL HAS MADE CONCERTED EFFORTS TOWARDS THAT PARK AND WE WANT TO INCREASE THAT PARK.

AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT I VISIT THAT PARK AND ON MANY OCCASIONS I'VE CALLED THE CITY MANAGER FROM THAT PARK SAYING, WHAT'S UP WITH MY PIER? WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE PARKING? AND AND MANY TIMES, ESPECIALLY DURING STORMS AND AFTER STORMS. SO WE ARE REALLY INVESTED IN THAT PARK AND WE'RE HOPING TO INCREASE THAT.

SO I REALLY LOVE THE DIALOG IN YOUR PRESENTATION THAT YOU SUPPORT THAT PARK, THAT YOU WANT TO SEE THAT PARK INCREASE THAT YOU WANT.

THAT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO PROMOTE.

SOMETHING THAT GOT TO ME, SIR, WAS THE PUBLIC ASSET ASPECT, THE PUBLIC ACCESS ASPECT OF YOUR PROPOSAL? I THINK THAT'S CRITICAL.

TO HAVE THAT AVAILABILITY FOR THE PUBLIC MOVING FORWARD IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT WE'VE ALL DISCUSSED WHEN IT COMES TO THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON. WE OFTEN SPEAK OF WATER QUALITY ISSUES.

I THINK THIS CAN HELP.

I LOVE HOW COUNCILMAN JOHNSON MENTIONED THE LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE HAVE IN DEVELOPING THIS THIS PROJECT.

WE'VE. INCREASE OUR BAFFLE BOXES, NUTRIENT SOLVING OR FILTERING BAFFLE BOXES.

GETTING THE MUCK BEFORE IT GETS INTO THE LAGOON.

WE'VE HAD SEVERAL AND WE'VE BEEN BLESSED WITH SEVERAL OF THOSE THAT IMPACT DIRECTLY THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON.

AND SO AND I KNOW WE'LL BE HAVING SOME WATER QUALITY ISSUES COMING UP.

ALL THAT TO SAY I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS AND I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS.

SO COUNCILMAN FOSTER HAD NO COMMENTS, SO I'M GOING TO CALL THE QUESTION ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. ALL OPPOSED.

PASSES FOUR ZERO.

WE ARE NOW ON ITEM 21, MISS SMITH.

ORDINANCE 2023 DASH 45 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA.

AMENDING THE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY BY CHANGING THE ZONING OF PROPERTY FROM BMV BAYFRONT, MIXED USE VILLAGE DISTRICT AND M 20 MULTIPLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT TO BMU BAYFRONT MIXED USE DISTRICT, WHICH PROPERTY IS LOCATED EAST OF AND ADJACENT TO DIXIE HIGHWAY IN THE VICINITY BETWEEN KIRKLAND ROAD AND BAY BOULEVARD, AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED HEREIN PROVIDING FOR A CHANGE OF THE ZONING MAP PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK THE APPLICANT YOU'VE ALREADY PRESENTED YOUR CASE.

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO SHARE, SIR? NO, SIR. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT WE DID HAVE A MEETING WITH THESE PEOPLE, AND I REALLY THOUGHT THAT WE HAD MADE GOOD LEAPS AND BOUNDS.

I REALLY DID. WE TRIED TO ANSWER EVERYTHING THAT PEOPLE ASK US.

WE TRIED TO GIVE THEM THE GOOD QUESTIONS AND THEY BROUGHT A BUNCH OF GOOD QUESTIONS TO US THAT NIGHT.

AND I FELT THAT WHEN WE LEFT OUT OF THE HOTEL THAT WE WERE AT GIVING THE PRESENTATION, THAT WE HAD ANSWERED ALL THEIR QUESTIONS.

WE'RE NOT HERE TO BE A BAD PERSON.

MY FAMILY'S BEEN HERE FOR 125 YEARS.

I DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING ADVERSELY TO MY MY TOWN AND THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

I'M PROUD OF PALM BAY. I'M PROUD OF WEST PALM, AND I'M PROUD OF MELBOURNE.

I'M PROUD OF MY COMMUNITY.

SO, YOU KNOW, TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS, I JUST WANT YOU GUYS TO KNOW WE PLAN ON BEING GOOD NEIGHBORS.

THESE PEOPLE IN AND AROUND THIS, NOT JUST THE ONES THAT WERE HERE TONIGHT, NEED TO UNDERSTAND IT'S GOING TO BE A NICER LITTLE AREA ALONG THE BOARDWALK.

IT'S GOING TO BE PRETTIER DOWN THERE.

IT'S GOING TO BE THINGS FOR WOMEN TO DO.

IT'S GOING TO BE THINGS FOR PEOPLE TO DO DOWN THERE.

AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG AMENITY TO THE WHOLE BAYFRONT DISTRICT IS ALL WE WANT TO SAY.

WE WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING, TOO.

COPY THAT, SIR. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. SO ARE THERE ANY SPEAKER CARDS HERE? SO BEFORE WE GET INTO SPEAKER CARDS, I NEED ANOTHER MOTION.

SO MOVED. I NEED ANOTHER MOTION.

MAYBE WE SHOULD STATE IT.

I NEED A 30 MINUTE.

I NEED ANOTHER MOTION TO MOTION TO MEETINGS.

YEAH. MOTION TO INCREASE THE MEETING.

30 MINUTES TO CONCLUDE.

AT MIDNIGHT, I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECOND SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON.

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AYE. OKAY.

PASSES. FOUR ZERO.

CARRY ON WITH THE SPEAKER CARDS.

A. THEN, COLLINS.

MM. I THINK THIS IS SUSAN CONNOLLY, 3901 DIXIE HIGHWAY NORTHEAST.

I THINK WHAT WE WERE ASKING TONIGHT IS THAT.

NOT TO HALT THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT TO KEEP WHAT WE KNOW, THE DEVELOPMENT OF WHAT IS IN PROCESS, WHAT HAS BEEN APPROVED, BECAUSE IT IS CLOSEST TO THE BAYFRONT VISION, IT IS CLOSEST TO WHAT WE WANT FOR THE AREA.

UH. WHAT I'VE HEARD TONIGHT IS JUST WORDS.

WORDS. THEY'RE THE PLANS AND THE SITE THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE.

ALREADY APPROVED.

SO GO WITH THAT.

DON'T. GO WITH.

INCREASES BECAUSE WE KNOW WITH THE INCREASES THERE WILL BE IMPACTS.

I WAS AT THE MEETING AS MANY OTHER PEOPLE.

I LOOKED AT THE REPORT THAT THEY DID, THAT THEY TALKED ABOUT THAT THEY THOUGHT THEY MADE PROGRESS ABOUT.

WHAT THEY DID WAS TELL US THEY COULDN'T ANSWER QUESTIONS.

IT WAS THE SAME AS IT WAS TONIGHT.

WORDS. WORDS CHANGING AND.

WHAT I DON'T GET FROM THEM IS, YES, THEY ARE WILLING TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS.

THEY HAVE TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS.

BUT WHAT I DON'T HEAR FROM THEM IS.

FROM THE HEART.

FROM THE HEART.

TO PRESERVE THAT LAGOON IN THE PARK.

YES, THEY'LL DO IT BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO.

AND IT IS PART OF DEVELOPMENT.

I THINK WHAT WE WANTED TONIGHT WAS FOR YOU TO VOTE NO.

SO THERE WOULD BE TIME WHERE YOU SAID IT SO ELOQUENTLY SO THAT THE CITIZENS LOOK AT THE CITIZENS THAT WERE HERE TONIGHT, LOOK AT THE CITIZENS THAT WERE CONTACTED IN PREPARATION FOR THIS, THAT WE COULD WORK OUT THESE CONCERNS COLLABORATIVELY IN PARTNERSHIP.

RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T I DON'T FEEL HEARD AND UNDERSTOOD, AND I'M FEARFUL THAT THINGS WILL NOT BE DONE IN WITH WHAT THE WORDS HAVE SAID TONIGHT.

WHAT'S TRUE IS WHAT THE ACTIONS WILL BE.

SO. MY REQUEST IS FOR YOU TO DENY THE ZONING.

AMENDMENT REQUEST.

THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER.

MISS RUSSELL STILL IN? SO REPRESENTATIVE FROM MARINE RESOURCES COUNCIL.

OH, SORRY. WISH TO SPEAK? NO. I DIDN'T HEAR THAT.

WELL, THERE ISN'T A NAME.

VIC, DID YOU PUT A.

THEY HAVE A CAR. DID YOU PUT ANOTHER ANOTHER CARD IN 21? OKAY, CARRY ON.

I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE GOOD, BUT YOU MADE A MISTAKE.

THESE PEOPLE NEED TO BUILD.

BUT YOU GAVE THEM TOO MUCH FREEDOM.

YOU REALLY DID. YOU WHAT YOU SAID SHOULD BE DONE FIRST.

THEN SAY OKAY, BECAUSE.

A GOOD LAWYER.

ALWAYS MAKES YOU SIGN A CONTRACT AND YOU OPEN THE DOOR AND YOU DIDN'T MAKE THEM SIGN ANYTHING.

AND EVERYTHING IS JUST THE WORD OF MOUTH.

HE'S A NICE MAN.

THEY'RE OUT TO MAKE A DOLLAR.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.

BUT WHAT HE SHOWED ME THAT NIGHT AT THAT MEETING THAT THEY SAID WE HAD, THAT WAS IT.

AND. IT'S NOT RIGHT TO SAY I'M GOING TO DO THIS AND I'M GOING TO DO THAT.

NO. PUT IT IN WRITING AND BE RESPONSIBLE.

YOU'RE NOT MAKING THEM BE RESPONSIBLE.

I'M SORRY. BECAUSE YOU GAVE THEM THE.

OKAY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD IT.

SIR, I BELIEVE ANY PLAN WILL COME BACK.

DON'T LET THEM. LET THEM KNOW.

NO, I DON'T MEAN TO BE.

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REALLY, I RESPECT YOURS.

BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE THERE.

I'M HERE. AND THAT'S IT.

SO YOU HAVE THE POWER.

WE GAVE YOU THE POWER TO REPRESENT US.

THIS GROUP WANTS TO WORK WITH THEM.

WANTED TO WORK WITH THEM.

WE DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT'S ON PAPER THAT SAYS THEY'RE GOING TO DO WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO.

AND I HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THAT.

AND IF YOU DON'T SEE THAT, I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY.

THE PARKING ALONE IS THE MAIN ISSUE.

WHERE ARE ALL THESE PEOPLE GOING TO PARK? I SPOKE TO I SPOKE TO THE GENTLEMAN BEHIND ME AND HE SAID I TOLD HIM, BILL, 2 OR 3 STORIES ON THAT BUILDING FOR PARKING.

OH, YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT'S GOING TO COST.

AND YOU KNOW HOW MUCH TROUBLE I'M GOING TO HAVE.

THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER HIM TELLING ME.

WELL, WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT YOU MAKING ALL THAT MONEY OR KEEPING THE COMMUNITY THE WAY WE'D LIKE TO HAVE IT.

SO I'M NOT MAD.

I'M JUST TELLING YOU, I THINK YOU OPENED UP A PANDORA'S BOX ON THIS ONE BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T MAKE THEM ACCOUNTABLE TO KEEP THEIR WORD.

YEAH, THEY GOT THE OKAY FROM ALL THESE PEOPLE THAT WE HIRE TO MONITOR STUFF, BUT WE KNOW THAT ANYTHING ON PAPER AND PENCIL CAN BE ERASED.

SO WITH THAT, GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

I'M NOT MAD AND I'M NOT UPSET WITH ME.

AND I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THESE PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO STAY HERE AND WORK.

YOU VOLUNTEERED FOR IT WHEN YOU WANT TO GET ELECTED, BUT THEN YOU GOT A GOOD CREW.

OKAY. THANK YOU. SO, MADAM SHERMAN, I'D LIKE TO RESPOND TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS REGARDING THE ZONING AND HOW THIS MAY WORK. UM, BECAUSE HE'S SAYING IT'S ALL WE GIVEN HIM A BLANKET, BUT JUST WANT TO SHARE WHAT THE ZONING, WHAT WE CHANGED THE ZONING TO AND WHAT HE CAN BUILD AND HOW THAT'S GOING TO COME BACK TO US.

SURE. ACTUALLY, I'LL HAVE JESSE ANDERSON, OUR ACTING GROWTH MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR, COME UP AND SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT.

AND THE ONLY REASON I WANT YOU TO HEAR, VICTOR, BECAUSE I THINK YOUR YOUR COMMENTS ARE ARE UNDERSTOOD, BUT THERE'S SOME REASONS THAT I WANT YOU TO HEAR.

GOOD EVENING. JESSE ANDERSON, ACTING GROWTH MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR.

YES. SO FOR WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, THE FIRST CASE THAT WE SAW ON NUMBER 20 AND THEN THE FOLLOWING, CASE NUMBER 21 ARE ENTITLEMENT LEVEL CASES. AND WITH THIS TYPE OF ENTITLEMENT, SPECIFICALLY THE ZONING ENTITLEMENT, THERE IS NO NEED FOR A CONCEPTUAL PLAN TO BE SUBMITTED WITH IT.

ACTUALLY, APPLICANTS TYPICALLY DO NOT ELECT TO DO SO.

SOME APPLICANTS KINDLY DO SO JUST TO DISPLAY WHAT THEIR THOUGHT PROCESS IS GOING TO BE FOR THE ENTITLEMENTS THEY ARE ACTUALLY REQUESTING FOR.

BUT TO BE CLEAR, THEIR REQUEST IS FOR THE OVERALL ZONING DISTRICT AND EVERY ENTITLED USE UNDER THAT ZONING DISTRICT IN QUESTION, AS LONG AS THEY ADHERE TO THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT ARE IN ASSOCIATION WITH THAT ZONING DISTRICT.

SO IF IT DOES, FOR INSTANCE, ALLOW FOR HOTELS, FOR RESTAURANTS, FOR BED AND BREAKFASTS, THEY DO NOT HAVE TO ELECT TO A SINGLE ONE OF THOSE USES. THEY CAN ELECT TO ANY OF THOSE USES UNDERNEATH THAT ZONING DISTRICT ONCE THEY ARE ENTITLED TO IT.

SO THAT IS WHERE WE CURRENTLY ARE.

WE DO HAVE CERTAIN ZONING DISTRICTS SUCH AS PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS THAT WOULD HAVE MORE LEVELS OF DETAIL.