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AND I'M GOING TO CALL THIS BAYFRONT COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY MEETING TO ORDER.
[CALL TO ORDER]
OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE WILL BE LED BY VICKY NORTHROP.PRESENT VICE CHAIRMAN FELIX HERE.
PRESENT COMMISSIONER NORTHROP HERE.
BAYFRONT CRA ATTORNEY RODNEY EDWARDS HERE.
[PUBLIC COMMENTS (NON-AGENDA ITEMS)]
SO RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT PUBLIC COMMENTS.STEP FORWARD, MAN. GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY.
I WANT TO GIVE YOU SOME NUMBERS.
CP 23 00004 AND CP Z 23 00003. THESE ARE CASE NUMBERS.
OBVIOUSLY, YOU RECOGNIZE THAT THEY ARE AND THEY WERE AT CONSIDERED AT THE LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR A FUTURE LAND USE AND REZONING AMENDMENT REQUEST THAT WAS GRANTED.
I WANTED TO COME BEFORE THIS BODY BECAUSE THAT DECISION INVOLVED A PIECE OF BAYFRONT PROPERTY AND THE DECISION. AS A CITIZEN, I PARTICIPATED IN A CITIZEN EFFORT TO ASK FOR A NO VOTE ON THAT PARTICULAR ZONING AND AMENDMENT.
AND WE WORKED VERY HARD AND WE GOT PETITIONS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND IT WAS STARTLING WHEN THE COUNCIL VOTED AGAINST IT BECAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS GOING AGAINST THE BAYFRONT VISION AND WHAT WHAT THAT PLAN HAD WANTED.
AND SO I WANTED TO ASK YOU ALL TO, IN THE FUTURE, TO BE MORE VERBAL WITH WHEN DECISIONS ARE MADE, BECAUSE MORE AND MORE CITIZENS ARE COMING OUT AND ASKING FOR A CITY COUNCIL AND BODIES NOT TO CHANGE ZONING AND AMENDMENTS.
AND IT'S HARD TO UNDERSTAND WHEN WE SEE SOMETHING IN A CERTAIN WAY.
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE LEADERSHIP FROM THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE BAYFRONT IN TERMS OF LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT.
AND TO REMIND YOU THAT THERE IS THE OCTOBER 19TH AND 20TH MR CONFERENCE COMING UP, AND I HOPE PALM BAY TAKES A HUGE LEAD IN THAT WITH PARTICIPATION AND SUPPORT.
UM, LASTLY, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THAT SOMEHOW WE FIND A WAY THROUGH THIS PROCESS THAT WE BRING COUNCIL AND PLANNERS AND CITIZENS AND DEVELOPERS TOGETHER IN CONVERSATION AND IN WAYS TO MAKE DECISIONS.
I THINK THAT TOGETHER WE CAN CREATE THE BAYFRONT THAT WE NEED AND WANT.
[ADOPTION OF MINUTES]
I'M GOING TO GO TO THE ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES.NEED A MOTION. MOTION TO ADOPT THE MINUTES.
AND A MOTION BY VICE CHAIRMAN FELIX SECOND.
THAT'S A POINT OF ORDER. I THINK WE NEED TO APPROVE THE ADOPTION OF EACH EACH ONE INDIVIDUALLY.
I MAY MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT BAYFRONT CRA REGULAR MEETING 2022 IN JULY OF 2022 SEPTEMBER 8TH, 2022.
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I'LL SECOND IT. I'VE GOT A MOTION IN A SECOND.OUR. WE'RE ON NUMBER ONE UNDER NEW BUSINESS.
OH, EACH ONE. NUMBER TWO, I NEED A MOTION.
SO MOVED. SECOND, GOT A MOTION BY MR. WEINBERG. SECONDED BY.
ALL IN FAVOR? SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE? AYE. AYE. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
SO MOVE GOT A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR FELIX.
SECOND. SECONDED BY MR. WEINBERG. ANY DISCUSSION.
SO MOVED. A SECOND WITH A COMMENT.
VICE. VICE CHAIR FELIX WITH THE MOTION.
SECOND, WHAT IS THE COMMENT? OKAY. NANCY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE MINUTES OF THAT OF THAT MEETING UNDER COMMISSIONER REPORTS, VICE CHAIRMAN FELIX ASKED IF STAFF COULD PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE BAYFRONT AREA OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS TO INCLUDE THE RECENTLY SOLD PUBLIC PELICAN HARBOR MARINE PROPERTY.
WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED THAT UPDATE, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A POINT OF THAT.
AND IF YOU. I SEND YOU ALL AN EMAIL ON THAT? I THOUGHT I DID.
IF NOT, I'LL. I WILL DEFINITELY DO THAT.
OKAY. BUT ON THE SAME NOTE, SEVERAL MEETINGS AGO, NOT ANY OF THESE, BUT SINCE HE'S PULLING THAT FORMER MISTER FILIBERTO HAD ASKED FOR GRANTS FOR THE SCENIC HIGHWAY AS WELL.
IF WE COULD GET AN UPDATE ON THAT AS WELL.
SO I GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
SO MOVED. SECOND, GOT A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR FELIX, SECONDED BY MR. WEINBERG. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR. SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
[NEW BUSINESS]
ITEM NUMBER ONE.I'M JUST GOING TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE AUDIT FOR YOU.
THE ASSETS FOR THE CRA ARE ABOUT 7,314,000.
THAT IS A DECREASE FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR.
WE DID SELL ONE PROPERTY DURING THAT TIME FRAME.
1582 WATER DRIVE WAS SOLD TO PALM BAY LANDINGS LLC.
AND AS YOU ALL ARE AWARE, BASED ON THE OCTOBER 2019 INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN BREVARD COUNTY AND THE CITY OF PALM BAY, THE CRA RETURNED $631,462 OF UNEXPENDED FUNDS TO BREVARD COUNTY, AND THERE WAS A TRANSFER FROM THE CITY OF $1,340,011.
AND THEN THAT, OF COURSE, WENT TO THE ROAD BOND MAINTENANCE PROGRAM.
JUST SO AS YOU KNOW, TOMORROW NIGHT ON THE COUNCIL, THE FOR THIS AUDIT, SINCE THE AUDIT JUST FINISHED, THERE IS AN AGENDA ITEM TO TRANSFER 470,376 TO BREVARD COUNTY AND THEN 1,200,003 I'M SORRY, 1.02 TO $311 MILLION TRANSFERRING OVER.
AND THAT WILL BE ON COUNCIL'S AGENDA TOMORROW NIGHT.
UM, AND THEN ONE OTHER THING TO MENTION IS DURING THAT TIME FRAME, THE LOAN THAT THE CITY THE CRA HAD FROM 2006 WAS PAID OFF. IT WAS A MONTHLY IT WAS A PAYMENT OF $342,000 WITH ABOUT A 4.1% INTEREST RATE.
SO WE MADE OUR LAST PAYMENT DURING 2022.
AND I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY ON THE AUDIT.
ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, MA'AM.
DO YOU NEED A MOTION TO ACCEPT? I NEED A MOTION. EMOTION MOTION TO ACCEPT THE 2021 2022 FINANCIAL AUDIT REPORT.
SECOND. GOT A MOTION BY MR. WEINBERG SECONDED BY.
I WAS GOING TO SAY DEPUTY MAYOR.
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THIS ITEM. OKAY.THIS IS CONSIDERATION OF PURCHASE OFFERS FOR PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 1608 ORANGE BLOSSOM TRAIL AND THE UNASSIGNED ORANGE BLOSSOM TRAIL PROPERTY, AS WELL IDENTIFIED AS TAX ID 2866312.
THE 1608 ORANGE BLOSSOM TRAIL WAS PURCHASED BY THE CRA IN 2017.
WE DID AN APPRAISAL AND THE BROKER'S OPINION WITH OUR THE COMMERCIAL.
THE CITY'S COMMERCIAL BROKER IS ONE SOTHEBY'S INTERNATIONAL IS $60,000.
THE UNASSIGNED ORANGE BLOSSOM TRAIL PARCEL WAS PURCHASED IN 2011 AND THE APPRAISED VALUE AND THE CITY'S COMMERCIAL BROKER, ONE, SOTHEBY'S, VALUED THE PROPERTY AT $90,000.
SO THERE ARE FOUR VACANT LAND CONTRACTS.
EACH OFFER CAME WITH BOTH 1608 AND UNASSIGNED.
SO ON MAY 16TH, WE RECEIVED A CONTRACT FROM DR.
SHUBA CHUMBLE TOTALING $150,000.
ON MAY 25TH, WE RECEIVED CONTRACTS FROM RICHARD DEROSA TOTALING $150,000.
THERE IS NO CONCEPTUAL PLAN PROVIDED.
ON MAY 31ST, WE RECEIVED CONTRACTS FROM BENJAMIN DE LUCAS TOTALING $150,000.
THE CONTRACT PROVIDES A CLOSING DATE OF 30 DAYS AFTER EXPIRATION OF THE DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD.
THE PROPOSED INTENDED USE IS STILLMAN STATION, WHICH IS A MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL AND RESTAURANT.
THERE'S ALSO CONCEPTUAL PLANS WITHIN YOUR PACKAGE.
ON JUNE 6TH, THE CITY RECEIVED VACANT LAND CONTRACTS FROM PALM BAY LAND.
PALM BAY LANDINGS LLC TOTALING $150,000.
THE CONTRACT PROVIDES A CLOSING DATE OF 30 DAYS AFTER EXPIRATION OF THE DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD.
THE PROPOSED INTENDED USE IS TO ASSIST IN A BAYFRONT REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT ALREADY ONGOING.
THE PALM BAY LANDINGS ALREADY OWNS PELICAN HARBOR MARINA, AND SO THIS WOULD BE THE 14 ACRES THERE.
WE DO NOT HAVE A CONCEPTUAL PLAN AS OF TODAY.
SO AND SOME OF THE PURCHASE OFFICERS OFF OF OFFERS ARE HERE AS WELL.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK WITH THEM.
YES, MA'AM. I'D LIKE TO AFFORD THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
AND I GUESS WE'LL BEGIN WITH MR. BENJAMIN LUCAS.
I APPRECIATE THAT. I KNOW HOW HARD IT IS.
EVERYBODY HERE IS OFFERING THE SAME THING, $150,000 FOR THIS PARCEL.
I'M GOING TO ADD TWO THINGS MORE TO THAT THAT I THINK THAT I CAN PROVIDE.
I'M COMING WITH MY WILL AND MY PASSION TO CREATE THIS CRA ZONE FOR YOU.
I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN MANY PROJECTS FROM MONTECITO, THE TEA FIRE TO THE REBUILDING LAUREL CANYON.
I'VE BEEN BUILDING HILLSIDE AND AND DOING COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL FOR 30 YEARS.
I'M REALLY PASSIONATE ABOUT IT.
I'VE ALSO BEEN IN PUBLIC SERVICE AND I'M VERY, VERY.
I TOLD MY CHILDREN MY WHAT I WAS GOING TO DO DOWN HERE.
THEY SAID, DAD, THAT'S A NO BRAINER.
YOU BUILD COMMUNITIES, YOU DON'T BUILD HOUSES.
EVERYWHERE I GO, I TRY TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BETTER AND I LEAVE IT THAT WAY IF I LEAVE.
IF YOU WERE TO CHOOSE ME AS THE PROVIDER OF THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT A FACILITY THERE, WHAT I'M GOING TO BRING YOU IS WITHIN THE NEXT THREE MONTHS, A FULL SET OF PLANS, SUBMIT IT TO THE BUILDING AND SAFETY.
AND I THINK IN 1895, TRAIN STATION CALLED TILLMAN STATION, IT WOULD BE A FRANK LLOYD WRIGHT DESIGN FROM THE 18 LATE 1800S. TWO STORIES.
THE OUTSIDE WOULD LOOK LIKE STONE.
IT WOULD SET 40FT BACK FROM THE ROAD.
I BUILT MOVIE SETS FOR 20 YEARS.
WHAT I'M GOING TO PROPOSE I BUILD FOR YOU IS THE FIRST SET THE PROPOSED PROJECTS ALL AROUND US.
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AND I THINK BY HAVING A TRAIN STATION THAT UTILIZES THE TRAIN TRACKS BEHIND, THAT'S A NEGATIVE.YOU TRY TO TAKE THE NEGATIVES OF THE PROPERTY AND TURN THEM FORWARD.
WHAT ARE YOU REALLY GOING TO PUT THERE? MAYBE A PUMPING STATION, MAYBE SOMETHING.
BUT IT'S TOO VALUABLE FOR THAT AND IT'S A CORNER LOT ALSO.
SO I WOULD USE THE LEFT CORNER ALONG HENNESSY THERE.
I WOULD USE THAT FOR MY PARKING LEAVE, SOME OF THE FOLIAGE AND THE BIG OLIVE TREE THERE AND SOME OF THE PALM TREES WITH WALKING PATHS TO GO WITH YOUR IDEA OF A VILLAGE INTO THE FACILITY.
FROM THE PARKING IN THE FRONT WHERE I PROPOSED THE CARRIAGE ENTRANCE, I WOULD HAVE SEVEN SPOTS FOR DROP OFF AND PICK UP FOR TAKEOUT, AND YOU'D WALK INTO THE FRONT ENTRANCE OF THE BUILDING FROM THERE SO THAT FROM THE STREET IT LOOKS LIKE AN OLD TRAIN STATION AND THE DROP OFF.
AND WHEN YOU ENTER, IT WOULD SAY TRACK ONE, TRACK TWO, I'M GOING TO MAKE THIS AUTHENTIC.
SO AND IT'S CALLED TILLMAN STATION BECAUSE I RESEARCHED TILLMAN AND HE BROUGHT THE CANAL.
HE BROUGHT THE STEAMBOATS, THE PLANTATION.
SO PART OF BUILDING AND REDEVELOPMENT IS YOU KEEP SOME OF THE HISTORY, BUT YOU BRING IT CURRENT.
SO AND THEN AND I'M ALSO I'M A COMPLIMENTARY GOOD TO MR. TIMMONS. HIS PROPOSAL.
HE'S GOING TO NEED A RESTAURANT.
HE'S GOING TO NEED PEOPLE TO FEED HIS WORKERS FOR THAT BIG DEVELOPMENT.
HE ALSO NEEDS SOMEBODY TO START THE ENERGY FORWARD FOR HIS DEVELOPMENT.
YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO SUNSET IN 2025.
I WOULD IMAGINE WE'D ALL LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING GO UP BEFORE THEN.
FINISHED END. I THINK FOR A MAJOR PROJECT.
AND THE RESTAURANT ISN'T THE BASIS FOR MY INCOME.
I'M GOING TO BE LIVING UPSTAIRS.
SO PART OF ME IS I'M PUTTING MY BLOOD, MY MONEY.
I'VE BEEN DOING IT. I DO THE ENGINEERING, GET IT SIGNED BY SOMEBODY FROM FLORIDA.
YOU'LL HAVE TWO LICENSED CONTRACTORS.
BY THE TIME I'M DONE BUILDING FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I BRING THE PEOPLE IN.
AND THE OTHER SITUATION YOU HAVE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THE PERIPHERAL OR OUTLYING AREAS? WHEN YOU BUILD THIS BRAND NEW THING? ARE YOU GOING TO GENTRIFY THE COMMUNITY? WHAT I'VE DONE IN THE PAST IS I GO KNOCK ON THEIR DOOR AND SAY, HEY, I GOT A COUPLE EXTRA WORKERS.
DO YOU MIND IF WE SPRUCE UP YOUR PLACE, MAYBE FIX YOUR ROOF, PAINT YOUR HOUSE INSTEAD OF TAKING THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR SO LONG SUPPORTING IT AND THEN TELLING THEM, HERE, HERE'S A BUNCH OF MONEY, AND WHY DON'T YOU MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE? YOU HAVE TO BRING THE COMMUNITY THAT'S THERE ALONG WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AND INTEGRATE IT AND WORK IT IN AND DIFFUSE IT INTO THE NEW PROJECTS.
THAT'S WHAT I PLAN TO DO FOR TILLMAN AND PALM BAY.
I HAVE THE CASH, I HAVE THE ENERGY, I HAVE THE PASSION.
AND I HOPE YOU HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? YES, SIR. MR..
TWO THINGS. ONE, I'D LIKE TO A CORRECTION THAT THIS THIS AGENCY SUNSETS IN 2024, NOT 2024.
THANK YOU. SECONDLY IS, HAVE YOU BEEN IN CONTACT WITH ANY NATIONAL RESTAURANT COMPANIES? WHEN I FIRST STARTED IN MY CAREER, I WORKED FOR RICH MELMAN FROM LETTUCE ENTERTAIN YOU OUT OF CHICAGO.
HE OWNS 177 RESTAURANTS AROUND THE COUNTRY.
HE'S THE LARGEST RESTAURANT TOUR IN THE COUNTRY.
WHEN I FIRST ARRIVED THERE, THAT WAS MY FIRST JOB, SO I WAS HEAVILY INVOLVED WITH THE MORTON FAMILY.
SO AND FOR BUILDING RESTAURANTS, I'VE BUILT TEN STARBUCKS, MARIA CALLENDER'S FAT BURGERS.
THE LACMA WEST MUSEUM, THE HISTORIC TEA ROOM ON THE FIFTH FLOOR.
I FOUND THE LOT. I MOVED THEM, CUT THEM UP, PUT THEM BACK TOGETHER.
BUT MORE SPECIFICALLY, HAVE YOU HAD ANY DISCUSSIONS? I MEAN, WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS FOR THIS RESTAURANT? SOME KIND OF NATIONAL CHAIN OR.
NO, NO, NO. THIS IS MY INDIVIDUAL.
AND I DON'T REALLY WANT TO I DON'T NEED TO GET INTO THAT MUCH.
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YEAH, BUT NO, IT'S GOING TO BE MY OWN RESTAURANT.IT'S NOT AFFILIATED WITH THE CHAIN.
THERE WILL BE NO DRIVE THROUGH.
I THINK I CAN INCREASE THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC AS A DESTINATION JUST TO COME SEE THE.
THE RESTAURANT. I'VE GOT ONE OTHER QUESTION FOR YOU, MR. LUCAS. WERE YOU INVOLVED AT ALL IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE IN SOUTH FLORIDA OF WILDERNESS STATION OR HOLLYWOOD STATION? NO. NO. OKAY.
I NAMED IT TILLMAN STATION ONLY BECAUSE I DID.
I ACTUALLY ASKED MR. HOWARD, I SAID, WHAT DOES THE BCRA WANT TO SEE THERE? THAT WAS MY QUESTION TO HIM WHEN I APPROACHED THE LAND.
HE GOES, WELL, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW? AND I'M LIKE, WELL, YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN IDEA WHERE THIS DEVELOPMENT IS HEADING.
I'M GOING TO PUT A BANDSTAND THERE.
SO THE HIGH SPEED TRAIN COMING BY CAN SEE SIGNAGE FOR TILLMAN AND PALM BAY, AND IT WILL ALSO STAND AS A CONCERT SHELL FOR MY IF I WANT TO HAVE BANDS IN THE BACK OF THE RESTAURANT AND FOR THE COMMUNITY, IT SERVES AS AN OUTDOOR VENUE AND IT WILL LOOK LIKE AN OLD 1900S PLATFORM WHERE YOU WAIT FOR THE TRAIN.
NO ONE THAT NEVER SAW IT BEFORE IS NOT GOING TO THINK IT'S AN ORIGINAL.
OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. LUCAS. I HAVE NO OTHER QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, VICE CHAIR, MAYOR.
THANK YOU. WELL, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU.
I JUST. MR. LUCAS, I WANT TO TELL YOU THAT YOU'RE A GREAT STORYTELLER.
I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK IN PORT SAINT JOHN.
BACK IN 0506 DILAPIDATED PROPERTY RIGHT BY THE TRACK.
AND IN FACT, THE IT WAS ONE OF THE PROBABLY BEST BARBECUE JOINT IN THAT AREA THAT CAME THROUGH WITHIN THE TIME THE THREE YEARS I WORKED UP THERE. THE NAME WAS REX BY THE TRACKS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT IT WAS TRULY A UPLIFT THE AREA.
IT WAS REALLY A DESTINATION SPOT.
PORT SAINT JOHN WORKING FOR PUBLIX.
PUBLIX WAS THE BEST THING OUT THERE UNTIL THAT UNTIL UNTIL THAT PLACE CAME ALONG.
SO AS YOU'RE TELLING THE STORY, I'M THINKING THAT BECAUSE I KNOW THE DIFFERENCE THAT RESTAURANT RIGHT BY THE TRACKS DID FOR THE AREA RIGHT OFF FAY AVENUE, I HOPE STILL IT'S STILL THERE.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO TELL YOU, I LIKE WHAT I'VE HEARD AND TRULY SHOULD.
THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU. HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
WE DO HAVE A MEMBER THAT'S DIALED IN.
HE'S ON THE LINE. AND I WANTED TO JUST CHECK WITH HIM TO SEE IF HE HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS.
UH, COUNCILOR OR MISTER JOHNSON, ARE YOU ON THE LINE? YES, SIR, I AM.
YES, SIR. JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION.
UM, FOR THE FOR THE SECOND FLOOR.
IS IT JUST WHERE HE WILL BE LIVING? AND IF IT'S JUST WHERE HE'LL BE LIVING, IS HE GOING TO BE RENTING IT OUT OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE? BECAUSE I PLAN TO SPEND IS, YOU KNOW, SAY YOU HAVE THE PROPERTY AND THE RESIDENCE RESTAURANT IS GOING GREAT, BUT THEN YOU RENT IT OUT TO A FAMILY MEMBER OR A FRIEND OR SOMETHING.
AND THEN WE HAVE SOME ISSUES ON SITE.
YES, SIR. THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION.
HE'LL HE'LL PROCEED WITH HIS RESPONSE.
AND AS THAT DEVELOPMENT GROWS, LIVE IN A BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY OVERLOOKING THE WATER.
THE MAIN REASON I WANTED THE LAND WAS I WAS LOOKING FOR LAND TO BUILD A HOUSE ON.
AND I WAS LOOKING ALL AROUND AND I FOUND THIS.
AND THE FIRST QUESTION I ASKED MEL WAS, CAN I BUILD A HOUSE THERE? HE SAID, WELL, YEAH, BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.
SO I THOUGHT, WELL, IT'S MIXED USE.
AND THAT'S THE FORMULA FOR THE WHOLE COUNTRY RIGHT NOW.
EVERY, YOU KNOW, AND IF YOU DO A BAD DEVELOPMENT, LOOK AT BALTIMORE.
THEY JUST SOLD THE HARBOR AGAIN.
THIS IS THE THIRD TIME THEY'VE TRIED TO REDEVELOP BALTIMORE.
SO IF YOU DO IT RIGHT, YOU CAN HAVE AN EPCOT, WHAT I CALL AN EPCOT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH WHAT IT ACTUALLY MEANS.
IT MEANS ENVIRONMENTAL PROTOTYPE CITY OF TOMORROW.
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THAT WAS HIS INTENTIONS TO BUILD AN INCLUSIVE COMMUNITY THAT PEOPLE LIVE WITHIN AND THEY CAN SURVIVE AND COMMUNICATE.AND WE HAVE ALL THE MODERN TECHNOLOGY JUST BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE AN OLD TRAIN STATION.
I DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN AN OLD TRAIN STATION.
I'M GOING TO LIVE IN A, YOU KNOW, 21ST CENTURY MODERN BUILDING INSIDE.
BUT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE AN OLD TRAIN STATION.
I HAVE THREE CHILDREN IN CALIFORNIA.
IN PENNSYLVANIA, THEY WENT, COME VISIT ME.
THEY SAID, WHY DO I WANT TO COME TO PENNSYLVANIA? TO PITTSBURGH? THE FLORIDA.
THEY SAID, I'LL COME VISIT YOU.
I'VE BEEN IN CALIFORNIA 30 YEARS.
IT TAKES ME FOUR YEARS TO GET A PERMIT IN SANTA BARBARA.
NOW, SINCE THE MUDSLIDE, SINCE THE FIRES, AND A FIXER UPPER IS $2 MILLION FOR 800FT², IF YOU COULD FIND ONE IN 13TH IN LINE.
SO THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET A PIECE OF LAND IN FRONT OF THE WATER IS VERY INVITING.
I KNOW IT'S A GOOD SUM FOR THE CITY, BUT IN PERSPECTIVE FROM OTHER STATES, IT'S NOT THAT MUCH MONEY.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? NOT YES, SIR.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. JOHNSON? WELL, NO QUESTIONS.
I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION.
STAFF DID PRETTY MUCH BRIEF ME ON IT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY BECAUSE I WASN'T SURE IF THE CONCEPT WAS GOING TO BE LIKE WHAT WE'VE APPROVED PREVIOUSLY. CHAIR WHERE WE WOULD HAVE COMMERCIAL ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND THE SECOND FLOOR WILL BE MULTIFAMILY OR RESIDENTIAL TO TRY TO SUPPORT THAT COMMERCIAL.
I'LL BE THAT MY, MY QUESTIONS ARE A LITTLE ALONG THE LINE OF MR. WEINBERG AND I DO AGREE WITH MR. OR VICE CHAIR FELIX.
YOU KNOW IT'S YOU HAVE THIS VISION, RIGHT? AND I SEE THE RESTAURANT ASPECT TO IT AND I SEE THE TILLMAN SIDE OF IT BRINGING IN THE HISTORY.
MY QUESTION IS MORE ON THE SIDE OF WHAT IS ON THAT MENU.
OKAY. I'M GOING TO DO HOMEMADE FRIES, HOMEMADE TENDERS.
I PLAN TO BRING WOMEN IN AND AND MAKE WALK IN PANS.
WHEN I'M DONE THE CHICKEN THAT DAY, I'M DONE.
I'M GOING TO MAKE SO MANY AND HANDMADE AND I'M GOING TO PUT THEM IN A WALK IN.
AND IN THE MORNING I'LL HAVE DEEP FRYERS.
I DON'T WANT TO DO FRIED FOODS.
I DON'T WANT TO HAVE COMPLICATED MENU ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE RESTAURANT WILL BE, I'M NOT GOING TO DO SODA FOUNTAINS BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THEY'RE CONDUCIVE TO GOOD HEALTH AND THINGS. SO I'LL HAVE ALTERNATIVES LIKE A LITTLE MARKET WHERE YOU CAN COME IN AND GET CANNED SODAS, CANNED GOODS, WATER BOTTLES OUT OF WALK IN REFRIGERATORS ON THE ONE SIDE.
THE OTHER SIDE WILL BE TABLE DINING AND THE ARTWORK GOING IN.
SO I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO BRING 1895 ORIGINAL OILS AND STUFF AND PUT THEM IN LUCITE.
IT'LL BE LIKE A MUSEUM INSIDE.
AND IF THE RESTAURANT ISN'T FACILITATING ENOUGH INCOME FOR A PROLONGED PERIOD OF TIME BECAUSE MAYBE, MAYBE THE DEVELOPMENT BEHIND ME ISN'T GOING AS FAST AS IT SHOULD OR WE CAN'T SEEM TO.
I GOT A GREAT KITCHEN AND A BIG DINING ROOM.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? DOWNSTAIRS, THE INCOME ISN'T REALLY NECESSARY FOR THE SUCCESS OF MY PROJECT.
IT'S MY HOUSE AND THE RESTAURANT IS A SUPPLEMENT BUSINESS TO ME LIVING THERE SO I CAN SUPPLEMENT MY INCOME AND GET OUT OF BUILDING OVER MY LIFETIME AND GET OUT OF DOING WORK FOR OTHER PEOPLE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S MY GEAR DOWN IN LIFE.
I'M 60. I'M WILLING TO GIVE THIS COMMUNITY THE NEXT 20 YEARS OF MY LIFE.
I DON'T. I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO STOP WORKING MY HOUSE IN PENNSYLVANIA.
I JUST DID ONE MID-CENTURY MODERN, AMAZING HOUSE.
I WAS SPINNING AROUND IN CIRCLES IN THE WINTER THINKING I CAN'T BUILD.
IT'S TOO COLD. AND SO I DECIDED TO COME TO A WARMER CLIMATE.
WE'RE OUT OF THE CHOICE FOR ME.
SO FLORIDA AND I CAME HERE AS A YOUNG MAN WHEN I WAS WORKING AT THREE MILE ISLAND ON VACATION TO MY BROTHER'S HOUSE IN MELBOURNE IN THIS AREA, AND I WENT, I CAN GO BACK THERE. I LIKED IT.
GAVE ME ENOUGH TIME ON THE PHONE.
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DIDN'T CUT ME OFF LIKE YOU PEOPLE ARE RIGHT NOW.YOU'RE DONE. THEY'LL GO QUORUM AND THEY'LL TALK ABOUT IT.
BUT YOU GUYS ARE. I APPRECIATE THE TIME YOU'RE GIVING ME.
WE APPRECIATE YOU WANTING TO INVEST IN PALM BAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, SIR.
MR.. WEINBERG, JUST ONE LITTLE COMMENT.
I APPRECIATE YOUR HOMAGE TO TO THE HISTORY OF THE AREA WITH THE TILLMAN STATION.
AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU COLLECT ART AND EVERYTHING.
WELL, YOU MEAN WILLIE NELSON IN THOSE.
THAT'S. I'M LIKE, THEY'RE A GROUP.
THEY'RE A VERY, VERY WELL KNOWN FLORIDA.
THERE WERE A GROUP OF, OF, OF BLACK ARTISTS.
SO BELIEVE IT OR NOT THEY SOLD THEM ALONG THE HIGHWAY OUT OF THEIR CARS.
AND NOW THAT PERIOD OF TIME WAS IT.
THEY'RE VERY, VERY WELL KNOWN.
IT'S VERY HISTORIC. AND THERE'S A LOT OF THE PAINTINGS ARE STILL ABSOLUTELY, YOU KNOW, OBTAINABLE.
NO THANK YOU VERY ANY TIP ON ART I'LL I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE.
WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
UPSTAIRS, ALL ONE ROOM, NO DIVISIONS.
IT'S ON THE CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS, THE LAYOUT FOR FIRST FLOOR, DOWNSTAIRS LAYOUT.
AND I GAVE YOU AN ELEVATION FROM THE SIDE AND A FRONT ELEVATION.
WELL, THANK YOU, SIR. REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
AND I WOULD SAY ONE MORE THING.
IT WOULDN'T HURT TO HAVE A WATCHDOG IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD EITHER.
FOR ME, I COME WITH THE OFFER TO DO THIS ON MY OWN.
BUT ANYBODY ELSE DOING WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING GOING TO NEED FOR ME ANYWAY? YOU'RE GOING TO NEED FOR PEOPLE LIKE ME TO RUN THAT DEVELOPMENT.
YOU'RE GOING TO NEED FOUR PEOPLE TO SUPERVISE THAT DEVELOPMENT.
YOU'RE GOING TO NEED THE PLANNING, THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE THE THE COORDINATION.
SO THERE'S ALREADY GOING TO BE FOR ME COMING.
REALLY APPRECIATE YOU CONSIDERING PALM BAY AS AN INVESTMENT.
YES, I DO HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL.
MY QUESTION IS MORE FOR STAFF.
I'M SORRY, AS YOU WERE FOR MISS NANCY OR MISS SUZANNE OR MISS DANIELLE OVER THERE.
HAVE YOU SEEN THIS CONCEPT? IS THIS CONCEPT NEW WHERE WHERE YOU HAVE A RESTAURANT AND THEN A HOME ABOVE OR.
OH, NO, I THINK IT'S PRETTY NATIONWIDE.
YEAH, IT'S A GREAT IT'S ALMOST LIKE A LIVE WORK AND CONCEPT.
AND HAS IT BEEN PRETTY SUCCESSFUL? BECAUSE I DID HEAR I HEARD OVER THE PHONE WHERE YOU'RE SAYING IF IF IT DOESN'T WORK, THEN YOU GOT YOU GOT A BIG KITCHEN.
I WAS LAUGHING, BUT BUT WE WANT IT CATCHES ON BUT WE WANT BUT WE WANT IT TO WORK.
SO I WAS JUST ASKING, IN YOUR EXPERTISE, HAVE YOU SEEN THEM BE SUCCESSFUL? A LOT OF TIMES, EVEN IN DOWNTOWNS LIKE THERE ARE SOME IN THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF FLORIDA WHERE I'VE SEEN IN LIKE DOWNTOWNS OR VILLAGES WHERE THEY HAVE THE RESIDENTIAL ON THE TOP AND THEN THE COMMERCIAL ON THE BOTTOM.
I JUST WANT TO ADD TO THAT. YES, MS..
NORTHROP. I JUST WANTED TO BRING UP RIP CITY IN.
SO. DOES WORK AND THEY CREATED A BARN.
THEY HAVE A LOT MORE SPACE, RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH.
SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS GOING TO ADD? IF YOU EVER GO TO KEY WEST, I HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO KEY WEST.
AND AND PEOPLE LIVE, YOU KNOW, SECOND, SECOND FLOORS.
SO IT'S VERY, VERY POPULAR IN KEY WEST.
OKAY, SO. SO, NEXT, I WANTED TO SEE.
MIKE TIMMONS BOMBAY LANDING IN THIS PROJECT.
I THINK IT'S I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT WE DID.
I THINK IT'S BOMBAY LANDING OR MICHAEL AND MELISSA TIMMONS.
I RESIDE AT 581 YOUNG STREET IN MELBOURNE.
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BUT AS THIS COMMISSION KNOWS, I HAVE ACQUIRED SEVERAL PROPERTIES IN THE BAYFRONT WITH THE INTENT OF A LARGE SCALE DEVELOPMENT IN THE BAYFRONT. HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW.KIND OF WALK THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND IT'S BEEN A THIRD TIME HERE FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROCESS.
IT HAS BEEN SLOWER THAN I WOULD HAVE LIKED ON A LOT OF REALMS. STILL WORKING THROUGH I'LL ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS, I THINK, PHIL, THAT YOU HAD.
WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THE PERMITTING FOR PELICAN HARBOR.
IT WON'T BE THAT NAME, BUT WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THE PERMITTING.
AND THEN LASTLY, IS FWC WORKING WITH THE FWC FOR THE MANATEE PROTECTION PLANNING PERMIT? AND THAT IS KIND OF BOUNCED BACK TO THE CITY OF PALM BAY.
SO I'VE REACHED OUT TO JOAN THIS WEEK.
I REALIZED THAT SHE'S NOT THERE TO TRY AND GET A CONTACT.
WE HAD EARLY LETTERS ON SAYING THAT THERE WAS NO ISSUES WITH THAT.
I'M HOPING THAT THAT'S STILL THE CASE, BUT REALLY THAT IS THE LAST.
IN TALKING WITH DEP AGAIN THIS WEEK, IT'S KIND OF THE LAST THING THAT WE NEED TO FINALIZE OUR ALL OF OUR PERMITTING THAT WE NEED FROM THE WATER. AND FOR US, REALLY THE WATER AND WHAT WE CAN DO ON THE WATER WAS THE MAIN KEY TO DRIVE EVERYTHING ELSE.
IF WE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE CAN'T DO WHAT WE WANT TO DO ON THE WATER OR WITH THE DRY STORAGE, THEN THEN YOU LOOK AT DIFFERENT DESIGN FOR WHETHER IT IS MULTIFAMILY OR COMMERCIAL.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT IN THAT PROPERTY.
AS FAR AS THE OTHER PROPERTIES GO.
AND THE REASON FOR THIS PROPERTY, I'VE ACCUMULATED THE MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTIES ON THE BAYFRONT ITSELF, SO THE HOMES LAND BETWEEN PALM BAY AND HESS.
DYCHE ON HIS PROPERTY, WE HAD IT UNDER CONTRACT AT ONE POINT.
THERE WERE SOME THINGS WE WERE WORKING OUT WITH THE CITY THAT DIDN'T KIND OF WORK OUT, THAT DROPPED OUT, BUT STILL BACK IN CONVERSATIONS WITH HIM, I EMAILED FOUR TIMES THIS MORNING. SO OUR DESIRE IS STILL TO TO HAVE A FULL SCALE DEVELOPMENT.
I HAVE DESIGNS THAT GO FROM A THREE STORY TO BUILD TO A SIX STORY BUILD WITH.
I THINK IT'S SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF LIVING SPACE.
BUT BETWEEN COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL, MULTIPLE RESTAURANTS.
AND PART OF THAT HINGES ON STILL WORKING WITH THE CITY AND SUZANNE AND THE TEAM ON SOME SLIVERS OF PARCELS THAT ARE NEEDED FOR AN ADDITIONAL MARINA, BECAUSE I'LL BE OPEN IN THIS THIS MEETING.
MY DESIRE IS TO MAKE THIS AREA AND HAS BEEN SINCE I FIRST LOOKED AT THE PROPERTY, A DESTINATION FOR PEOPLE TO COME, NOT JUST FOR PALM BAY, BUT PEOPLE COMING UP AND DOWN THE INTERCOASTAL OR THE INDIAN RIVER, AND TO COME IN AND MAKE THE AREA A DESTINATION AREA, WHICH MEANS KIND OF LEANING TOWARD HOSPITALITY AND, YOU KNOW, RESTAURANTS AND LIVING SPACES, NOT OFFICE SPACE, NOT, YOU KNOW, NOT WORKSPACE, NOT EMPLOYERS THERE, BUT PEOPLE LIVING AND AND COMING TO A PLACE WHERE WHERE BOATING BECOMES, HEY, LET'S GO TO PALM BAY AND LET'S STOP THERE FOR A RESTAURANT OR LET'S GO OVER TO THIS RESTAURANT BECAUSE THERE WILL BE MULTIPLE RESTAURANTS IN THE AREA.
THE PIECE THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT, THE PIECE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, 1608 AND THE UNKNOWN PARCEL IS A TRANSITION PIECE BETWEEN WHAT ADLON'S DOING ON THE OTHER END AND WHAT WE'RE DOING, BECAUSE WE ALSO OWN THE MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY, ALL EXCEPT THE CONVENIENCE STORE FROM HESS TO PALM BAY ROAD.
IF WE CAN GET THE THE MARINA ON THE OTHER SIDE, WE ARE BUYING EVERYTHING.
I'M HESITANT TO SAY THAT, BUT SINCE I'VE PRETTY MUCH APPROACHED EVERYBODY MULTIPLE TIMES AND IN CONVERSATIONS, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF CAN WE GO AND DO WHAT WE WANT TO DO IN THAT AREA? CAN WE BUILD BOTH AN I CALL IT A DEEPWATER MARINA SMALLER, BUT BUT ALLOWS FOR A LITTLE BIT LARGER BOATS TO COME IN, BOATS THAT TODAY THEY ARE BIGGER THAN THEY WERE.
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YOU KNOW, I HAVE A MARINA IN MELBOURNE AND WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO HAVE WIDE BOATS OVER 15FT WIDE UNLESS YOU'RE ON AN END DOCK.AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
AND, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED IN MARGARITAVILLE BECAUSE BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY'RE THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE ON AND BUILD THAT PROJECT. THAT WAS A PROJECT WE TRIED TO BUY YEARS AGO.
BUT I THINK BECAUSE I THINK THEY REALLY HELP ON WHAT WE'RE DOING.
ANY TIME THAT YOU CAN HAVE A COMMUNITY LOOK AT AN AREA LIKE, YOU KNOW, I WILL SAY, SEBASTIAN TO, YOU KNOW, TO MELBOURNE, TO COCO AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS A DESTINATION THAT WE WANT TO GO AND PLAY, YOU KNOW, AND ON THE WATER YOU GO DOWN, YOU LOOK AT SEBASTIAN INLET, ANY GIVEN WEEKEND AND YOU HAVE HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF BOATS THERE.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF PLACES TO GO.
PULL IN TO A RESTAURANT AND EAT MOST EVEN THE ONES ALONG THE CORNER.
AND PEOPLE ARE ARE REALLY THERE'S A HUGE DEMAND, PENT UP DEMAND FOR THAT.
IT'S IS IT 100% NECESSARY? WE'RE NOT SURE YET. YOU KNOW, THAT'S A PROBLEM.
I'VE GOT MULTIPLE PLANS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
OKAY. DO WE HAVE TO DO STRUCTURE PARKING? AND IF WE HAVE TO DO STRUCTURE PARKING, THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO TALLER.
I MEAN, THERE'S JUST NO WAY FOR IT TO BE FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE IF YOU DON'T IF YOU DO SURFACE PARKING, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED THAT PARKING, YOU KNOW, PARKING AND TRANSITION PIECE. SO THAT'S OUR INTEREST IN THE PROPERTY, IS TO HELP OUR LARGER PROJECTS.
SO. I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
QUESTIONS? I'LL START WITH MRS. NORTHROP. ANY.
HOW MANY STORIES WOULD YOU BE LOOKING POTENTIALLY? BE TWEEN.
OUR OPTION ONE IS 2 TO 3 STORY RESIDENTIAL, 137 UNITS, 18,000 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL, RESTAURANT PARCEL.
AND THERE'S MULTIPLE PARCELS, AS YOU CAN UNDERSTAND, THERE'S MULTIPLE BLOCKS THERE, 9000FT², BAR RESTAURANT, 48,000FT² OF OF DOCK STORAGE, WHICH WOULD BE THE BARN.
THERE'S A HIGH DENSITY OPTION WITH STRUCTURED PARKING AND AGAIN IN QUOTES, MEETING FUTURE LAND USE SIX STORY RESIDENTIAL WITH 183 UNITS, FIVE LEVELS OF STRUCTURED PARKING, 5600FT² OF RETAIL RESTAURANT PARCEL TWO SIX STORY RESIDENTIAL 378 UNITS.
FIVE LEVELS OF STRUCTURE PARKING, 25,000FT² OF RETAIL, RESTAURANT AND A PARTIAL THREES.
SO WHEN YOU MENTIONED RESTAURANT, IS IT LIKE ROOFTOP RESTAURANT? WHEN WE FIRST LOOKED AT WHEN WE FIRST LOOKED AT THE MARINA, WHEN I FIRST CAME TO COUNCIL LOOKING AT THE PELICAN HARBOR MARINA, IT WAS A MULTI STOREY WITH A ROOFTOP PARKING. AS WE LOOKED AT A BIGGER EXPANSION, WE OUR PLANS ARE TO BRING THE RESTAURANT NOT TO THREE STORIES, BUT CLOSER TO THE WATER AND BUILD A ROOFTOP LARGER RESTAURANT ON OUR OTHER I'LL JUST SAY ON OUR OTHER PARCELS THAT WE OWN, I THINK IT'S MORE CONDUCIVE TO HAVING.
BUT I HAVE A PARTNER THAT THAT THAT IS INTERESTED IN COMING IN AS LONG AS WE ARE READY AND AS LONG AS MELISSA AND I MAKE THAT DECISION THAT THEY HAVE 11 DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS, MARINA DEVELOPMENTS, THEIR LAST ONE OVER 50 ACRES AND AND THEY JUST SOLD ONE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE. YOU CAN LOOK IT UP.
IT'S PRETTY EASY TO FIGURE OUT WHO THEY ARE, BUT WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THE AREA.
YEAH, IT'S LOWER THAN I WOULD LIKE.
I THINK THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S SOMEWHAT NEW TO ME.
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BUT THE REST OF IT'S IT'S NEW AND EXCITING.AND I LOOKED AT PALM BAY AS A WAY AS AN AREA THAT JUST.
IS BEAUTIFUL. THE BAYFRONT IS BEAUTIFUL.
UNFORTUNATELY, THERE HAS JUST BEEN OVER TIME, NOT A LOT OF MOVEMENT THERE AND HOUSES THAT ARE RUN DOWN AND TRAILERS AND JUST A MIXED USE OF THINGS THAT CREATED A AN AREA THAT TO ME IS NOT EXACTLY SAFE AS WELL.
SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN CHANGE ALL THAT.
SO JUST YOU MENTIONED THE MARINA A FEW TIMES.
AND MR. JOHNSON, JUST GIVE ME A SECOND.
UM, YOU STILL ENVISION THAT AMPHITHEATER? YES. OKAY. YEAH, I THINK I THINK THE THE THAT WHOLE IDEA, THE ONLY THING THAT'S REALLY CHANGED.
YEAH. BRINGING PEOPLE IN TO HAVE A GOOD TIME.
BUT IT WAS NEVER GOING TO EVEN FRIGATES.
WASN'T GOING TO HAVE A FRIGATES MENU THERE YOU KNOW EVEN STEVE AND THEY SAID LISTEN WE WOULD HAVE A, A MENU THAT'S MORE CONDUCIVE TO, YOU KNOW, YOUR SEAFOOD AND BURGERS AND THINGS THAT ARE MORE CONDUCIVE TO BEING ON THE WATER.
SO IF YOU THINK OF SUCCESSFUL WATERFRONT RESTAURANTS HERE, YOU HAVE IN SEAFOOD AND, YOU KNOW, BURGERS AND AND DIFFERENT THINGS FOR THE KIDS AND AND AND THAT WHEN WE FIRST LOOKED AT IT, IF YOU RECALL, IT WAS DESIGN WAS REALLY TWO DIFFERENT RESTAURANTS, ONE A DOWNSTAIRS AREA, THEN A SECOND AND THIRD FLOOR WOULD HAVE BEEN A DIFFERENT KIND OF UPPER SCALE.
WE THINK WE CAN GET THAT BY BY BY SEPARATING IT AND AND BETTER AND EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO GET TO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? VICE CHAIR. APPRECIATE IT, MR. CHAIR. IT'S NOT SO MUCH WHAT YOU.
BUT IT'S NOT SO MUCH QUESTIONS, BUT.
MR. TIMMONS AND YOU AND I, WE GO BACK AND.
SO WE HAVE MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS, PRIVATE AND PUBLIC.
AND. AND I KNOW YOUR HEART AND WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE.
ONE OF MY WHICH I SHARED WITH YOU BEFORE AND YOU PRIVATELY AND I'M SHARING THAT IS JUST WHEN THE TIMING OF THINGS RIGHT AND I KNOW THERE'S SOME. MULTIPLE CONSTRAINTS IN TERMS OF THINGS THAT NOT NECESSARILY TO YOUR CONTROL ECONOMY AND PERMITS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
MY CHALLENGE IS, IS WHEN WILL WE ACTUALLY SOME WILL WILL MOVEMENT IN THAT AREA.
UM, AND THAT AND THAT'S AN AREA THAT'S DESPERATELY NEED, NEED THAT INFUSION IF YOU WILL, OF OF SOME YOU KNOW IT CERTAINLY DOES.
IT WILL BE SUCCESSFUL DOWN THE ROAD WHEN THINGS GET BUILT.
AND YES, THEY NEED TO GET BUILT.
WE HAVE BEEN IN ASSEMBLAGE, YOU KNOW, QUIETLY FOR A WHILE AND NOT SO QUIETLY ANYMORE.
BUT WE WILL GET BUILDING AS SOON AS THE PERMITS ARE DONE.
YOU KNOW, I HAVE PEOPLE STANDING BY.
SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF GETTING THE PERMITS.
WE WILL START AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN WITH THE WATER PIECE OF IT, BECAUSE IT DOES TAKE TIME.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S DREDGING INVOLVED AND THERE'S THINGS THAT ARE INVOLVED.
SMALL DREDGING, NOT A LOT MORE, MOSTLY JUST BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO.
STAY AWAY FROM FIXED DOCKS INTO FLOATING DOCKS.
AND I SPENT COUNTLESS TIME WITH ARMY CORPS.
THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. SO THAT WILL COME TO FRUITION PRETTY QUICKLY.
AND AS WE DO THAT, WE'LL GO THROUGH THE REST OF THE SITE PLAN.
BUT AGAIN, WE'VE WORKED ON IT.
AND YOU. I THINK THE LAST FEW MINUTES YOU PRETTY MUCH AGAIN, REMIND US OF THE BIG PICTURE, RIGHT, AS FAR AS YOUR DEVELOPMENT IS CONCERNED, IT HASN'T BEEN MUCH SAID ABOUT THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION RIGHT NOW.
YOU REFER IT AS A TRANSITIONAL.
PIECE OF PROPERTY BETWEEN YOUR BIG PICTURE AND OUR ALONE, WHICH IS GREAT.
WE APPRECIATE SO MUCH OF WHAT YOU TO BRING OR THE THE DREAM.
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RIGHT. THE VISION WHAT YOU GUYS WANT TO BRING TO THE AREA.DO YOU FORESEE THIS BEING AN ENDURANCE OF OF WHAT YOU YOUR BIG PICTURE.
SO YES OR NO QUESTIONS OR YOU KNOW, BUT I CAN YOU I DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SAID THE SHOULD HE AWARDED THE PROPERTY, WOULD YOU SEE THAT BEING, YOU KNOW AN ISSUE WITH YOUR WITH WHAT YOU WANT TO DO YOUR BIG PICTURE AS FAR AS BECAUSE YOU BUILT WHAT I WILL TELL YOU IS IF THIS COMMISSION AWARDS THAT PROPERTY, IT'S NOT GOING TO IMPACT WHAT I DO.
IT MAY IMPACT HOW I CAN DO THINGS AS FAR AS PARKING AND SOME OTHER STUFF.
BUT I'M STILL GOING FORWARD WITH BUILDING AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT THAT MAY IMPACT THAT AND THEY'RE NOT, BUT IT'S NOT THIS PARCEL.
THERE ARE THERE ARE A COUPLE OF PARCELS THAT ARE CITY OWNED AND AND YOU CAN HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH SUZANNE THAT ARE SMALL TO ME, INCONSEQUENTIAL PROPERTIES, BUT IMPORTANT TO THE THE BUILD.
SO BUT THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, IF IT WAS NOT AWARDED, I.
WOULD PREFER NOT TO SEE A HOME THERE, BUT THAT'S JUST MY PREFERENCE.
IF IT WAS A REALLY COOL RESTAURANT, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT THING FOR THE AREA, BUT IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME FOR THAT TO GET FOR THE AREA, TO TO ACCEPT THAT AND FOR THE PEOPLE TO COME TO THAT RESTAURANT.
I MEAN, I'M EXTREMELY FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA.
YOU KNOW, I'M THERE EVERY DAY.
I'M AT THE PROPERTIES. EVERY DAY I'M WORKING EVERY DAY DOING SOMETHING.
THERE'S THERE'S AN ELEMENT DOWN THERE THAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. NOT A QUESTION FOR HIM, SIR.
HE'S GOING TO SIT DOWN AND WE'LL.
OH, ARE WE READY TO DISCUSS? OKAY, LET'S GO AHEAD AND HAVE A SEAT, SIR.
YES, SIR. MR. JOHNSON. FIRST THING I WANT TO.
MR. LUCAS, THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING INVESTING IN OUR CITY.
THAT'S THE VERY FIRST THING I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU.
I REALLY ENJOY YOUR CONCEPTUAL.
HOWEVER, AT THE SAME TIME, ALTHOUGH I'VE SEEN THIS TYPE OF BUSINESS THRIVE, NOT SO MUCH CHICKEN AND WAFFLES, BUT THE MULTI OR THE FAMILY AND THE BUSINESS MODEL.
I DON'T THINK IT'LL IT'LL SURVIVE.
RIGHT. AND I SAY THAT WITH ALL DUE RESPECT.
I SAY THAT BECAUSE I'M IN AGREEMENT.
I DON'T WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE DESTINATION AND GENTLEMEN, WHEN WE SPOKE ABOUT IT IN THE PAST ON ON MAKING THIS A DESTINATION FOR OUR COMMUNITY, I SEE THIS MAYBE YOU HAVING LIKE YOU MENTIONED AND I'LL QUOTE YOU A BIG KITCHEN AND AND THAT'S THAT'S CERTAINLY NOT PART OF THE VISION.
WE'VE GOT SEVERAL, UH, SEVERAL SHOPPING CENTERS THAT MAY BE DILAPIDATED, THAT ARE CLOSED DOWN THAT THEY'RE NOT RENTING. SO I WOULD I WOULD WANT TO CREATE SOMETHING A LOT BETTER.
MY CONCERN ALSO, NOT ONLY IS WILL YOU BE ABLE TO SUSTAIN IT.
MY CONCERN IS THAT IT BECOMES EMPTY AND YOUR BUSINESS IS A BIG KITCHEN.
AND THEN AT THAT POINT, IT'S JUST THE RESIDENTS.
RIGHT. AND THAT'S THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING I DON'T ENVISION.
SO, GENTLEMEN, AS FOR ME, I WANT TO TRY AND GO WITH A HOLISTIC BIG PICTURE HERE.
THAT, AND I'M GOING TO QUOTE MR. LUCAS. MR. LUCAS SAID, WE HAVE ONE OPPORTUNITY TO GET IT RIGHT.
IF WE HAD DEVELOPMENT ALREADY AROUND IT, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD FIT.
THE WAY I STAND, GENTLEMEN, I'D RATHER GO WITH THE BIG PICTURE.
AND I AM AWARE OF HOW PERMITTING AND THE DIFFICULTIES OF GETTING PERMITS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS IN PARTICULAR, AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO I COULD SEE WHERE THAT THAT COULD HINDER A PROJECT.
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BUT I STAND AND I OR I SIT HERE AND I THINK OF HOW CAN WE REALLY MAKE THE IMPACT THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY DISCUSSED IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS AND NOT ONLY DEVELOPING IT, BUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY FOR LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT WITH A BIG A REALLY HUGE DEVELOPMENT, I THINK THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE WE COULD WE COULD STRIKE IT ON ALL THE CHAMBERS, RIGHT, HIT IT ON ALL THE ALL THE CYLINDERS.SO I WOULD I THINK IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, I WOULD I WOULD SUPPORT, UM.
THE BIG IDEA OF HOW IT SHOULD.
YOU KNOW, HOW WE STARTED WITH THE MARINA, WITH MR. TIMMONS AND SEE HOW THAT CAN MANIFEST.
OF COURSE, I REALLY I REALLY WANT THIS TO TAKE FRUIT AND TAKE HOLD OF AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
AND I'M ALSO AWARE OF THE CHALLENGES.
SO I WOULD LOVE TO TO TO SEE THIS GROUNDBREAKING YESTERDAY.
UM, AND I'M GOING ON THE RECORD.
I UNDERSTAND THEY'RE ALWAYS PERMITTING ISSUES, BUT I'M JUST SHARING MY HEART.
MR. JOHNSON BECAUSE I POINTED TO YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE PASSIONATE ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
BUT REMOVING THE MUCK FROM GOING INTO THE LAGOON AND PROTECTING THE LAGOON IS CRITICAL WHEN WE THINK ABOUT WHAT WE CAN PUT OUT THERE AND THE DESTINATION THAT IT COULD REALLY BRING TO OUR COMMUNITY.
SO FOR THAT REASON, I WOULD SUPPORT, OF ALL THE CANDIDATES.
MR. TILLMAN AND I'LL START OFF, UM, OR MR. TIMMONS AS YOU WERE.
YEAH, BECAUSE I SAID AS YOU WERE, AS YOU WERE.
SO, MADAM NORTHROP, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR.
THANK YOU, CHAIR. A COUPLE OF THINGS.
YOU KNOW, MR. TIMMONS HAS BEEN BEFORE US MANY TIMES.
WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS ON IT.
AND I CAN SEE THERE'S CERTAINLY AN ADVANTAGE TO HAVING MUCH OF THIS LAND UNDER THE SAME OWNERSHIP AND WOULD BE DEVELOPED HOPEFULLY IN IN LINE WITH WHAT THIS YOU KNOW, WE WE ENVISION OUR BAYFRONT AREA.
BUT HAVING SAID THAT, THIS PARTICULAR THESE TWO PARTICULAR LOTS ARE A TOTAL OF JUST UNDER AN ACRE.
AND AS YOU HEARD MR. TIMMONS SAY, SELLING THIS TO TO ANOTHER BUYER REALLY WOULDN'T AFFECT HIS HIS HIS PLANS, HIS PROJECTS, HIS DEVELOPMENTS.
THE ADVANTAGE TO TO I THINK MR..
MR. LUCAS'S PROPOSAL IS, NUMBER ONE, IS THAT IT WOULD BE DONE A LOT FASTER.
IT WOULD BRING SOMETHING TO THE BAYFRONT AREA.
AND, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, CHAIR, I THINK THERE'S NOTHING ACTUALLY THIS PARTICULAR CONCEPT OF A RESTAURANT, THERE'S NOTHING TO COMPETE WITH IT IN THAT AREA AT ALL.
AND I THINK HAVING A UNIQUE IDEA WOULD ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTE TO A SUCCESSFUL RESTAURANT.
I DO LIKE THE THE THE THE PROPOSED INCLUSION OF LOCAL HISTORY IN IT AND AND TO SEE SOMETHING ACTUALLY GO ON THAT PROPERLY WHERE LIKE I SAID IT WOULDN'T IT WOULDN'T IMPACT MR. TIMMONS DEVELOPMENTS.
IT WOULD GET SOMETHING DONE THERE FASTER.
AND I THINK JUST BECAUSE OF ITS UNIQUENESS, IT WOULD CERTAINLY ATTRACT PEOPLE.
SO I WOULD CERTAINLY I WOULD CERTAINLY BE IN FAVOR OF SELLING THESE TWO LOTS TO MR. LUCAS FOR $150,000.
THANK YOU, CHAIR. I'M A LITTLE CONFLICTED BECAUSE I HEAR MR. TIMMONS SAY IT WON'T AFFECT HIS FORWARD PROGRESS WITH FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS.
THAT LOCATION THERE HAS GONE THROUGH AT LEAST WITHIN THE 5:05 YEARS, FOUR DIFFERENT OWNERS AT LEAST.
SO SO THAT'S MY THAT'S ONE OF MY CONCERNS WITH, UM, THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING THE QUESTION.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I ASKED WITH STAFF IN A BRIEFING LIKE, HEY, IT'S THE SECOND FLOOR GOING TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE UNITS LIKE WE DID WITH THE CELEBRATION SQUARE PROJECT.
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CITIES, MELBOURNE, RIGHT BEHIND APPLEBEE'S, ALL THAT AREA IS JUST VACANT.YOU KNOW, NOBODY'S DOING ANYTHING WITH IT.
AND IT'S BEEN VACANT FOR YEARS.
SO SO I'M CONFLICTED ON IT BECAUSE I HEAR MR. TIMMONS SAY, HEY, YOU CAN MAKE IT WORK WITHOUT IT.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE SUSTAINABLE, TOO.
SO I'M LEANING MORE TOWARDS MR. TIMMONS. BUT I WISH THERE WAS A WAY MR. TILLMAN COULD SWITCH IT UP.
VICE CHAIR. MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
YEAH. THERE'S A REASON WHY, MR. TIMMONS, THAT SPECIFIC QUESTION, I WANTED TO KNOW.
YES OR NO? RATHER THIS PROJECT.
POTENTIALLY COULD IMPACT HIS OVERALL DEVELOPMENT.
THE ANSWER WAS CLEAR WAS NO TIMING.
AS I SAID EARLIER, THAT AREA NEEDS SOME SORT OF INFUSION OF OF OF DEVELOPMENT.
WE NEED SOMETHING TO GO THERE.
AS MR. LUCAS ELOQUENTLY TELL THE STORY.
I'VE SEEN IT WORK IN OTHER COMMUNITY.
IF WE RECALL BACK IN THOSE EARLY 2000S, THAT AREA WAS A COMPLETELY DEAD AREA.
LIKE I SAID, THE BEST PLACE TO EAT AT THE TIME WAS PUBLIC SUPERMARKET.
SO FOR ME TO GO TO LUNCH, I HAD TO DRIVE TO TITUSVILLE OF 50.
I CAN TELL YOU HOW THIS PLACE GET RACKS BY THE TRACKS.
I'M TELLING YOU RIGHT ON THE ON THE TRACK, HOW IT JUST CHANGED THE WHOLE AREA.
IT WAS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT OFF FAY AVENUE.
IS IT A LIVING? OR WAS IT JUST THE RESTAURANT? NO, IT WAS A RESTAURANT. BUT I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS.
YEAH, I DON'T THINK I DON'T THINK HE'S A MODEL.
I THINK ACTUALLY HE'S A MODEL WOULD BRING MORE CHARMS TO THE WHOLE THING.
REALLY. IT'S HAVING AN OWNER LEAVING ON TOP AND REALLY BEING ABLE TO THAT GIVE THE SENSE OF OWNERSHIP, THE SENSE OF OF, YOU KNOW, HIM. HE'S HARD.
HE'S HE'S PASSION INTO WHAT HE DOES.
IT'S TRULY YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, MR. TIMMONS HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS.
I'M GLAD HE'S COMMITTED TO PALM BAY.
I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING YESTERDAY LIKE YOU, MAYOR, AND I GET THE TIME.
WHAT? I'M AFRAID OF THE CRAZE BEING.
IT'S GOING TO BE SUNSET NEXT YEAR.
I'M JUST DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TIME WE HAVE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TIME WE HAVE.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ECONOMY MAY DO IN THE NEXT YEAR.
AS MUCH AS MR. TIMMONS WANT TO.
HE WANTS TO BUILD ALL THE 20 PLUS PARCEL OF PROPERTY HE HAS DOWN THERE.
WE DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GOING TO TAKE PLACE, IF THE ECONOMY TURNS.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE MAY GET.
SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR.
I THINK IT'S REALLY IT MAKES SENSE.
ESPECIALLY IT CLEARLY SAID HE REFERRED TO THIS PROPERTY AS A TRANSITIONAL.
TRANSITIONAL MEANS A PARKING LOT.
TRANSITIONAL. I'D LIKE TO GET THAT OVER A FEW SPACES OF PARKING LOT.
GENTLEMEN, THINK ABOUT IT, OKAY? IT'S CLEAR.
IT'S. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOTHING AGAINST MR. TIMMONS. I APPRECIATE IT AGAIN A MILLION TIMES, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS PROJECT BY NEXT YEAR.
THIS TIME, MR. LUCAS. ALL RIGHT, I'LL BE.
I'LL BE ONE OF YOUR FIRST CUSTOMERS.
MY OFFICE IS NOT THAT FAR FROM THERE.
I SUPPORT THAT CORRIDOR QUITE A BIT.
JUST ABOUT EVERY. EVERY OTHER DAY I'M IN A DIFFERENT RESTAURANT, SO I THINK.
WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK TO SAY IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK.
SO I'D LOVE TO AWARD MR. LUCAS THIS PROPERTY.
SO, SO PART OF THAT AND I LOVE WHAT MR. JOHNSON SAID.
YOU GO BY THOSE RESTAURANTS THAT ARE THERE AND, YOU KNOW, STATION 49 IS.
BUT ALSO THERE'S THE RESTAURANTS ARE DOWN THAT QUARTER THAT I ALSO FREQUENT.
SO I'M JUST NOT I'D RATHER NOT GO DOWN THAT PATH, BUT I NEED A MOTION GENTLEMAN.
MOTION TO SELL THESE TWO PARCELS TO BENJAMIN LUCAS.
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WEINBERG. SECONDED BY DEPUTY OR VICE CHAIR.FELIX. MR. WEINBERG. AS I SAID, I THINK THIS IS IT'S AN INTERESTING CONCEPT.
I THINK I THINK RESTAURANTS FILLING CERTAIN NICHES TEND THAN THAN, YOU KNOW, YOUR TYPICAL, YOU KNOW, PIZZA PLACES OR THAT TYPE OF THING IS, YOU KNOW, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT STATION 49 NOT TO DENIGRATE IT BUT BUT I THINK I THINK RESTAURANTS THAT OFFER SOMETHING DIFFERENT, UNIQUE HAVE A GREATER CHANCE OF SUCCESS, ESPECIALLY WITH WITH MR. LUCAS'S PLANS TO LIVE ABOVE IT.
I THINK HE'D HAVE CERTAINLY MORE THAN JUST AN INVESTMENT INTEREST.
HE WOULD HAVE A PERSONAL INTEREST IN THE SUCCESS OF THIS.
SO I, YOU KNOW, WOULD ABSOLUTELY LOVE TO SEE THIS.
IT'S LIKE I SAID, THE PROPERTY IS IT'S LESS THAN AN ACRE.
IT'S NOT GOING TO ADVERSELY AFFECT.
BUT AS AS MR. JOHNSON MENTIONED, THIS BOARD SUNSETS NEXT YEAR.
I FOR ONE WOULD REALLY, REALLY LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING YOU KNOW, SOME NEW DEVELOPMENT AND SOMETHING, FRANKLY, SOMETHING A LITTLE INTERESTING, A LITTLE DIFFERENT IN THAT AREA. SO THAT'S WHY I'M CERTAINLY SUPPORTING MR. LUCAS'S BID TO PURCHASE.
PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING. ALL RIGHT.
I GOT A MOTION BY MR. WEINBERG SAYING THAT BY VICE CHAIR FELIX.
SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE? AYE. UH, ROLL CALL.
OH, WELL, SIGNIFY BY SAYING ALL THOSE OPPOSED.
SIGNIFY BY SAYING NAY, NAY, NAY.
SO CONGRATULATIONS, MR. LUCAS. UH, WE'RE ON COMMISSIONER REPORTS NOW.
I'LL START WITH MADAM NORTHROP.
WHAT ARE. WHAT IS THE CHANCES OF US CONTINUING ON AFTER 2024? I MEAN, WHAT IS THE PROCESS? I KNOW THAT THE COMMISSION ONLY LAST SO MANY YEARS, BUT COULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT TO ME? MADAM BRUN. CERTAINLY WE WE HAVE AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT.
IT IS IN PART OF YOUR AGENDA PACKAGE.
AND SO WE HAVE TO SUNSET MAY 20TH, 24.
SO IT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY THE COUNTY.
AND THEY HAVE BASICALLY SAID THAT WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO EXTEND PAST THAT DEADLINE.
WHEN DID THIS COMMISSION START? WHAT YEAR DO YOU REMEMBER? HOW LONG IS THIS CRA.
OKAY. SO THEY'VE EXPRESSED NO INTEREST IN EXTENDING IT.
THERE ARE ACTUALLY A LOT OF THIS.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY TRYING TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF CRAS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
YEAH. WHY? WE ENTERED INTO THAT INTER-LOCAL AGREEMENT IN 2019.
CAN I JUST ADD TO IT? I'M STILL GOING, BUT TO THE POINT FROM THE PREVIOUS VOTE AND NOW IT'S NOT THAT ALL CONSTRUCTION NEEDS TO BE FINISHED BY NEXT YEAR. JUST ALL BUSINESS CONDUCTED BY THIS BOARD NEEDS TO BE CONDUCTED FINISHED BY NEXT YEAR.
SO EVEN IF SOMETHING LIKE EVEN IF THIS PROJECT OR MISTER TIMMONS PROJECT ISN'T COMPLETED BY NEXT YEAR, WE'RE STILL FINE AS LONG AS WE'VE CONDUCTED EVERYTHING ON OUR PART AND MRS BUNTS PART.
WHICH WERE TOWARDS THE TAIL END OF IT.
JUST A FEW THINGS THAT WE GOT TO TIGHTEN TIE UP AND DOES EVERYTHING GO TO COUNCIL? FROM THAT POINT FORWARD ONCE WE'RE DISBANDED.
TYPICALLY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS THE CRA WOULD DISPOSE OF THEIR ASSETS.
THERE ARE SOME PARCELS THAT WE STILL OWN AND THAT COULD BE GO THROUGH.
IT WOULD GO TO THE CITY AND SO OR IT WOULD BE SOLD.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO SELL OFF SOME OF THE PROPERTY THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY USE FOR.
SO THERE'S THIS WHOLE PROCESS AND AS WELL AS THE ASSETS, ANY OF THE MONEY THAT THE CRA HAD, THAT PORTION, THERE'S A PORTION THAT WOULD GO TO THE COUNTY AND A PORTION THAT WOULD GO WITH THE CITY. SO I WAS GOING TO GO INTO REPORTS.
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HOWEVER, CAN YOU GIVE US A BRIEF UPDATE, AS MR. WEINBERG REQUESTED? ABSOLUTELY. SO, OF COURSE, MIKE TIMMINS PROVIDED HIS UPDATE.SUZANNE AND I ACTUALLY MET WITH ADELSON CAPITAL TODAY ABOUT ALL OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, SO THEY ARE PLANNING ON SUBMITTING FOR MULTIFAMILY THE SITE PLAN THIS WEEK. THEY ARE GOING TO COUNCIL THEIR RIGHT OF WAY OFF OF KENNY EXPIRED AND SO THEY NEEDED TO THEY HAVE TO JUST GO BACK AND GET RE APPROVAL FOR THAT.
WE TALKED ABOUT MARKET CONDITIONS.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT GETTING YOUR CONSTRUCTION LOAN, IT'S TYPICALLY A VARIABLE RATE.
AND SO WE HAVE SOME DEVELOPERS WHO IT STARTED OUT AT 3%, NOW IT'S 10% AND GOING HIGHER.
SO CONSTRUCTION COSTS ARE STILL HIGH AND THEN INSURANCE COSTS ARE VERY HIGH.
SO THEY ARE STILL PLANNING ON DEVELOPING.
AND THANK YOU. AND THE SCENIC HIGHWAY.
THAT WAS A IT ACTUALLY WENT TO OUR GRANTS MANAGER.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THE GRANT MANAGER HAD DETERMINED BEFORE HE LEFT WAS THAT WE WERE WORKING WITH PUBLIC WORKS TO DO SOME OF THE CLEARING BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT FORMER COMMISSIONER FILIBERTO WANTED TO DO.
SO THERE WAS SOME CLEARING OF SO THAT YOU COULD BE ABLE TO SEE THE RIVER.
THAT'S WHAT HE WAS LOOKING AT DOING.
THANK YOU, MA'AM. OKAY, I'LL KICK OFF WITH REPORTS.
[COMMISSIONER REPORTS]
MADAM NORTHROP. UM, I SPOKE WITH STAFF BEFORE THIS MEETING AND I PLAN ON POSSIBLY MEETING WITH THEM IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS.AND I READ A KIND OF DISTURBING EDITORIAL OPINION PIECE THAT CAME UP FROM A RESIDENT WHO HAD A REAL PROBLEM WITH THE WAY THE COUNCIL VOTED ON THIS. SO I'D LIKE TO DO SOME RESEARCH TOMORROW, BUT I PLAN ON SPEAKING TOMORROW NIGHT AT THE COUNCIL MEETING ABOUT THIS.
THANK YOU, MR. WEINBERG. YEAH.
AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO REITERATE WHAT I SAID EARLIER, MR. TIMMONS. I MEAN, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE PLANNED FOR FOR FOR THE BAYFRONT AREA.
AGAIN, MY, YOU KNOW, MAKING THE MOTION TO SELL THIS PROPERTY TO MR. LUCAS CERTAINLY HAS, YOU KNOW, NO NO NEGATIVE CONNOTATIONS.
JOHNSON THANK YOU. TWO THINGS.
I WOULD LIKE TO READ THE EDITORIAL OPINION IF I GET THE CHANCE, MA'AM.
MR. TIMMONS MENTIONED THE DIFFERENT PARCELS.
THE STAFF FEEL COMFORTABLE. COMFORTABLE TALKING ABOUT LIKE, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? OR IS IT.
OKAY. THE I WASN'T REALLY INVOLVED IN THE ADDITIONAL PARCELS THAT HE WAS LOOKING TO ACQUIRE.
SO THAT PROBABLY WOULD BE A CONVERSATION YOU'D HAVE WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.
YOU FEEL ALL RIGHT? OKAY, THAT'LL WORK. I WASN'T TRYING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.
NO, NO, IT'S. IT'S OKAY. I MEAN, MIKE ALLUDED TO IT.
THERE IS AN AREA, A STREET THAT'S VERY CLOSE TO US, ONE CALLED WATER DRIVE.
AND SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WATER DRIVE AS A POTENTIAL FOR VACATING THAT PROPERTY BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY TO PROPERTIES THAT MR. TIMMONS EITHER OWNS OR POTENTIALLY COULD OWN.
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE PROPERTIES THAT HE'S INTERESTED IN ARE THERE'S SOME LITTLE SLIVERS OF LAND THAT YEARS AGO WERE DEEDED TO THE CITY FROM BREVARD COUNTY. AND THERE'S SOME DISCUSSIONS WE'RE HAVING.
IN FACT, WE HAD A MEETING LAST WEEK, MR. TIMMONS, MYSELF AND OUR CITY ATTORNEY.
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SO WE'RE EXPLORING THOSE PROPERTIES BECAUSE OF SOME CONCERNS THAT MR. TIMMONS HAS ABOUT THE RIGHT OF THE CITY TO EVEN HAVE THOSE PARCELS.BUT THEY WERE DEEDED TO THE CITY YEARS AGO.
BUT ANYWAY, SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE WORKING THROUGH AND THAT THAT IS PART OF WHAT WAS ALLUDED TO.
AND IT'S ALL BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY OF THOSE PARCELS TO THE WATER ITSELF.
AND THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE VISION THAT MR. TIMMONS HAS. FOLLOW UP.
AND IT ACTUALLY HAS A SPECIFIC REVERSIONARY CLAUSE.
IF YOU PUT ON YOUR AERIAL, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S JUST IT'S GREEN SPACE.
IT'S LIKE RIGHT OF WAY IT LOOKS LIKE RIGHT OF WAY.
AND ONE OF THE PARCELS HAS AN ACTUAL CITY LIFT STATION ON IT.
OKAY. IT'S JUST SOUTH OF OF THE CHAMBER.
THAT CONCLUDE YOUR YOUR REPORT.
THANKS FOR COMING UP. MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
THANK MR. WEINBERG. PRETTY MUCH ADDRESS, MR. TIMMONS. JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S EXACT EXACT WORD I WOULD REPEAT.
AND BUT BUT FOR ME, I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING GOING ON THERE.
SO I'LL START BY SAYING WELCOME.
CONGRATULATIONS, MR. LUCAS. I WISH YOU THE UTMOST SUCCESS IN YOUR BUSINESS.
MAY YOU SELL AS MANY CHICKENS AND WAFFLES AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN.
THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.