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SO WE CAN OFFICIALLY CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER AT 7 P.M..
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UH, WE'LL. I DID.YES. COULD WE GO AND DO THE ROLL CALL? HERE. YES, I CAN HEAR YOU GUYS.
HERE. OKAY, SO WE HAVE A QUORUM.
EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED THE MINUTES FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING.
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IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES, CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? MOTION TO APPROVE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE. ALL OPPOSED.AND THEN WE GO OVER TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
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YEAH. WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? NO. OKAY.[BUSINESS]
SO WE HAVE AN UPDATE FROM THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT.MR. CHRIS LITTLE IS IN THE HOUSE.
IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE BEEN TO ONE OF THESE.
I DON'T HAVE A PRESENTATION PER SE.
A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS APPEAR TO BE WHAT ARE WE DOING OUT IN THE SYSTEM AND HOW ARE WE TRYING TO ALIGN WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE ROAD BOND, FOR INSTANCE? SO WHEN IT COMES TO EXTENDING UTILITIES OUT INTO THE CITY, RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE IN OUR FIVE YEAR PLAN VERY LITTLE THAT WE'RE DOING.
MOST OF IT IS DEVELOPER DRIVEN.
THE FOCUS THE PAST FEW YEARS FOR ME SINCE I'VE BEEN DIRECTOR HAS BEEN TAKING CARE OF THE OLD WASTEWATER PLANT, THE OLD WATER PLANT, AND EXPANDING THE NEWER WATER PLANT THAT IS IN OFF OF OSMOSIS DRIVE AND BAYSIDE AND THEN CONSTRUCTING THE NEW WASTEWATER PLANT.
THE EXTENSIONS THAT WE HAVE, I PROBABLY HAVE ABOUT 15 TOTAL.
THEY'RE VERY SMALL IN AREAS OVER IN TURKEY CREEK, THE NORTH NORTH OF MALABAR, AREAS WHERE THE PIPES ARE VERY CLOSE TOGETHER, BUT THEY'RE NOT CONNECTED.
WE HAVE SOME R&R WHERE THE PIPES MAY BE TOO SMALL.
THEY WERE CONSTRUCTED 2 OR 3 INCH PVC PIPE THAT DOESN'T MEET TODAY'S STANDARD.
A FEW OF THOSE, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF LONGER EXTENSIONS.
SO WE'RE GOING TO CONNECT THE DOTS.
THEY JUST STOPPED ON GARVEY, SOUTH OF MALABAR ROAD.
SO WE'RE GOING TO CONNECT THE DOTS.
IT WILL NOT IMPACT ANY OF THE ROAD BOND WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE SO FAR.
AGAIN, THE FOCUS OF THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN MORE ON THE PLANT SIDE OF THINGS.
THERE IS A PROPOSED WATER MAIN AND FORCE MAIN TO GO FROM IF YOU KNOW WHERE BAY RIDGE IS.
BAY RIDGE THAT WAS RECENTLY CONSTRUCTED.
THEY HAVE BEEN TASKED IN ORDER TO CONNECT TO THE SYSTEM TO EXTEND A WATER MAIN AND FORCE MAIN UP GAYNOR AND THEN CONNECT BACK INTO THE GROUP THAT'S DEVELOPER DRIVEN.
AND WE ARE ESSENTIALLY WAITING FOR THAT DEVELOPER TO MOVE FORWARD.
IT'S BEEN SITTING FOR A WHILE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE STATUS IS.
THEN A BIG FOCUS FOR THE CITY RIGHT NOW IS IN THE SOUTHEAST PART WHERE THE PARKWAY IS IN BABCOCK.
WE HAVE DEVELOPERS THAT NEED IT.
THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT DOES NOT HAVE IT BUDGETED FOR US TO DO THE WORK.
SO WE'RE MORE OR LESS AT THE MERCY OF THE DEVELOPERS TO BE READY TO MOVE FORWARD.
SO THEY WILL INSTALL THE LINES AND WE'LL BE THERE ESSENTIALLY WATCHING THEM PUT IT IN.
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SO MOST OF THE STUFF OUT IN THE SYSTEM THAT WE'RE DOING WHEN IT COMES TO EXTENDING UTILITIES IS VERY DEVELOPER DRIVEN AND WE KIND OF TAKE THE BACK SEAT AND WATCH IT, AS THE DEVELOPERS PUT IT IN, AT THEIR COST.BASICALLY YOU JUST MONITOR TO MAKE SURE IT IS DONE ACCORDING TO STANDARD.
ALSO, PUBLIC WORKS PERMITS IT SINCE IT'S IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO IT'S ALL REVIEWED, SIGNED OFF FEES, PAID.
BE A SON AND THAT SO ALL OF THIS IS PRIMARILY DEVELOPER DRIVEN.
SO I WAS TOLD THAT 30% OF THE CURRENT CITY IS CONNECTED TO CITY WATER.
IT'S CLOSER TO 60% AT THIS POINT.
SO THERE'S NO REAL PLAN TO GET THOSE ACCESS TO WATER AT THE MOMENT? NO, BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS TO REALLY MOVE FORWARD WITH DOING MAIN LINE EXTENSIONS AND THEN DOING EXTENSIONS WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOODS. THE BIG DRIVER FOR THAT IS I DO NOT HAVE MANDATORY CONNECTION TO WATER OR SEWER UTILITIES.
I COULD USE THAT MONEY THAT I COLLECT AND GO TO THE NEXT NEIGHBORHOOD, THE NEXT NEIGHBORHOOD.
AS LONG AS I HAVE THE ABILITY TO CAPTURE THOSE COSTS OF US PUTTING THE PIPES IN THE GROUND.
AND IT'S A DISCUSSION I'VE HAD WITH THREE CITY MANAGERS AND COUNCIL WHY WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING WITH TRYING TO GET PEOPLE IN THE INFILL OF THE CITY OUTSIDE OF THESE PADS CONNECTED.
BASED ON HOW MANY PERSONS ARE SECTIONS IS NOT CONNECTED.
YOU HAVE A ROUGH IDEA OF WHAT THE COST WOULD BE.
I DO NOT HAVE A COST TO GET IT OUT IN THE SYSTEM.
BASED ON THE LAST NUMBERS I HAD IN SOUTH PALM BAY, IT'S ABOUT 9000 HOMES THAT ARE CONSTRUCTED, BUT THAT NUMBER KEEPS GOING UP AND UP AS THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE INFILL OF THE CITY CONTINUES.
BUT I DON'T HAVE A NUMBER AT THIS TIME.
I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. ON.
OKAY. I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
YOU MENTIONED RUNNING A MAIN LINE DOWN GAINER.
IS THAT. GOING TO HAVE ISSUES WITH THE RIGHT OF WAY WHERE WE HAD TO GO AROUND THAT ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY OR IS THAT ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE ROAD? THE DEVELOPER'S ENGINEER WAS ABLE TO NEGOTIATE AND WE HAVE AN EASEMENT ON THAT SIDE.
OKAY. AND THEN AT THE EXISTING WASTEWATER PLANT, WHERE ARE YOU AT AS FAR AS CAPACITY RIGHT NOW? CAPACITY WE HAVE 5.2 MILLION GALLONS OF CAPACITY.
AND OUR AVERAGE DAILY FLOW GOING IN IS ABOUT FOUR, 4.2.
WHEN ARE YOU BRINGING THE NEW PLANT ONLINE? THAT'LL BE ANOTHER MILLION GALLONS.
AND THEN WE'RE ALREADY IN THE WORKS TO DESIGN THE NEXT EXPANSION FOR THAT PLANT.
I. IT'S LIKE A NEVER ENDING CIRCLE OF INVESTING IN MORE WATER AND SEWER AND BRINGING MORE PEOPLE ONLINE OR TO WHERE DOES IT END? SO THE WAY THE SYSTEM IS SET UP RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE OVER 30,000 SEPTIC TANKS THAT WILL IT WILL TAKE A VERY LONG TIME AND A LOT OF MONEY TO GET THOSE PEOPLE CONNECTED BECAUSE YOU EITHER DO A CONVENTIONAL SEWER WITH GRAVITY, YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY DIGGING UP THE ROADS, PUTTING GRAVITY SYSTEMS IN.
THE ESTIMATE I HAD TO DO, THE ENTIRE CITY WAS LIKE 2.5 BILLION TO GET IT ALL IN.
THEY COULD CONNECT TOMORROW IF THEY WANTED TO.
THEY'RE ABOUT 1200 OF THOSE RIGHT NOW.
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THE CITY RECENTLY RECEIVED AN APPROPRIATION OF $2 MILLION TO HELP WITH CONVERSIONS AND THEN ARPA, THERE'S 400,000 ISH AVAILABLE FOR LOW INCOME RESIDENTS TO HAVE IT PAID FOR AND FOR THEM TO CONNECT.IS THAT CITYWIDE OR ARE THEY SPECIFIC DOWN IN LIKE THE NORTHEAST FOR THE SORROW FUNDING? ORIGINALLY IT WAS ONLY IF YOU'RE IMPACTING THE TURKEY CREEK OR THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON, THEY HAD ENOUGH MONEY THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT AND THEY OPENED IT UP TO THE ENTIRE CENTRAL INDIAN RIVER LAGOON WATERSHED.
SO EFFECTIVELY, THE ENTIRE CITY WOULD QUALIFY FOR THE SEPTIC TO SEWER.
SOMEONE WANTS YOU HAVE TO APPLY FOR IT OR YEAH, YOU GO TO THE SAVE OUR INDIAN RIVER LAGOON PROJECT PLAN WEBSITE AND THEY HAVE CONTACT INFORMATION. THERE'S AN APPLICATION.
THE TURNAROUND HAS BEEN RELATIVELY QUICK.
IT WAS AT THE END OF APRIL, BEGINNING OF MAY, AND WITHIN A COUPLE OF WEEKS I STARTED GETTING THEY HAVE TO NOTIFY ME THE ADDRESSES SO WE CAN FLAG THEM IN OUR SYSTEM THAT IT'S PAID FOR THE IMPACT FEES.
AND AND IT ALMOST STARTED COMING IN IMMEDIATELY.
SO IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS WE'VE HAD OVER 200 COME IN.
SO IT'S PRETTY QUICK PROCESS FOR THEM BECAUSE THEY WANT TO USE THE MONEY, THEY WANT TO GET THE THE NITROGEN LOADING, PHOSPHORUS LOADING OFF OF THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON OR THE WATER BODIES IN THE IN THE CITY.
SAVE OUR INDIAN RIVER LAGOON OR SORREL.
IT'S JUST ON BREVARD COUNTY'S WEB PAGE.
IF YOU GO TO THEIR MAIN PAGE AND DO A SEARCH.
IT'S THE FIRST LINK THAT POPS UP.
IS THAT IS IT THE SAME? BECAUSE I KNOW THE NATIONAL ESTUARY PROGRAM ALSO HAS GRANTS THAT PEOPLE THAT CITIES OR ENTITIES CAN APPLY FOR AS WELL.
OKAY. BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT'S THAT'S ANOTHER AREA OF OPPORTUNITY.
I KNOW THAT THEY'VE GOT I BELIEVE THEY JUST RECEIVED $100 MILLION FROM THE STATE.
SO SO TYPICALLY WE SHY AWAY FROM GOING AFTER GRANT FUNDING BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE CRITERIA, ONE OF THE MAIN CRITERIA IS DO YOU HAVE MANDATORY CONNECTION BECAUSE THEY WANT TO ENSURE THAT THEY GIVE YOU THE MONEY, THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT.
SO THERE'S GRANT FROM THE STATE.
THE GOVERNOR DESANTIS TWO YEARS AGO STARTED IT AND WE DID NOT PURSUE IT BECAUSE MANDATORY CONNECTION WAS ONE OF THE FIRST CRITERIA THAT POPPED UP. AND IF YOU NEED MONETARY CONNECTION, HOW DO YOU GET THAT? MANDATORY CONNECTION.
SO THE WAY WE WOULD GO FORWARD, WE PRESENTED IT IN 2019.
AND WHEN YOU HAVE TO CONNECT AND IT WOULD BE CODIFIED BY PALM BAY TO ENFORCE IT.
SO IT WOULD REQUIRE TWO READINGS CHANGE TO THE ORDINANCE.
NOW THERE'S SOME GRANT, SOME GRANT FUNDING THAT THE NDP IS GOING TO BE RELEASING IN JANUARY.
BUT I'LL GET BACK TO YOU BECAUSE THAT MAY NOT ACTUALLY BE A REQUIREMENT.
THAT'S JUST BECAUSE OF THE SPECIFIC TYPE OF GRANT THAT IT IS.
BUT THE FUNDING ISN'T STATE COMING.
IT'S FEDERAL FUNDING FROM THE EPA.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, WE CAN TAKE QUESTIONS.
YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT YOU BECAUSE YOU WERE THE MAN UP HERE FOREVER.
SO I BELIEVE BILL HAS A QUESTION SO WE CAN TAKE A QUESTION FROM THE AUDIENCE OR FROM THE.
YEAH, I WAS GOING TO SAY WE USUALLY DO.
MASTER CHIEF AS THEY LIKE TO CALL YOU.
COME ON DOWN. ABOUT IN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST.
AND MY QUESTION BEING THAT WE JUST WE'RE ON YEAR THREE OF THE BRAND NEW PAVED ROADS IN UNIT 32.
WHAT'S THE IMPACT IS GOING TO BE OF THEM CUTTING UP THE ROAD, LOWERING THAT BED, THAT HARD PAN AND THEN PUTTING IN PIPES WHERE THEY HAVE TO CROSS? THAT'S THE FIRST QUESTION.
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ARE WE GOING TO ANTICIPATE PROBLEMS WITH THAT? BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY TIME YOU BREAK THAT BREAK THAT.PATTERN OR GRID WORK THAT YOU'VE LAID, IT NEVER COMES OUT THE SAME.
MOUTH ROAD AND OCEAN SPRAY ARE THE ONLY STREETS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THAT.
POSSIBILITIES OF THEM RUNNING WATER TO AT LEAST TO THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTIES.
ALL RIGHT. SO UNFORTUNATELY, SOMETIMES WE CAN'T AVOID OPEN CUTTING THE ROAD AGAIN.
THE STARS HAVE NOT ALIGNED WHERE THE ROADS ARE GOING IN, THE UTILITIES ARE GOING IN.
THERE ARE SOME LIMITATIONS ON OUR FORCE MAINS, FOR INSTANCE, THAT CARRY SEWAGE.
THERE ARE MULTIPLE SIDE STREETS GOING UP AND DOWN.
GAYNOR WE WON'T IMPACT GAYNOR ITSELF, BUT THOSE SIDE STREETS, IT'S EITHER PERFORM A JACK AND BORE, WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH SHOVING A STEEL CASING UNDER THE ROAD AND THEN SHOVING THE PIPE IN THAT CASING.
DIRECTIONAL DRILLING, WHICH INVOLVES DRILLING AND CREATING PRETTY MUCH A U-SHAPE IN THE FORCE MAIN GOING UNDER THE STREET OR OPEN CUTTING IT FOR THE FORCE MAIN JACK AND BORE IS PREFERRED BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT A LOT OF OF UP AND DOWN WITH YOUR FORCE MAIN BECAUSE SEWAGE HAS GASES IN IT. GASES ACCUMULATE AND IT COULD EFFECTIVELY BLOCK THE SEWER OR THE FORCE MAIN AT MULTIPLE SPOTS.
EVEN IF WE PUT RELEASE VALVES ON THESE LINES.
BASED ON MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE SITE PLAN FOR RICHMOND COVE, THERE WERE A HANDFUL OF STREETS THAT WERE GOING TO BE JACK AND BORED AND A COUPLE THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE OPEN CUT JUST BECAUSE OF SPACE LIMITATIONS.
IT'S DIFFICULT SOMETIMES TO GET THE EQUIPMENT IN TO DO A JACK AND BORE OR TO DO A DIRECTIONAL DRILL.
WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH PUBLIC WORKS TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE EXHAUSTING ALL OPTIONS BEFORE WE OPEN THE FRESH, FRESHLY PAVED ROADS SO WE DO WHAT WE CAN FOR THAT IN REGARDS TO WATER CONNECTIONS.
RIGHT NOW, WE'RE NOT DOING ANY EXTENSIONS.
WHEN WE START LOOKING AT IT, WE CAN SEE HOW FEASIBLE IT IS.
AGAIN, I THINK THE WATER MAIN WAS ON THE EAST SIDE.
SO IN ORDER TO, FOR INSTANCE, GO DOWN OCEAN SPRAY, WE WOULD SEE IF WE HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO JACK AND BORE OR DIRECTIONAL DRILL TO GET UNDER THE ROAD, POTENTIALLY HAVE TO OPEN CUT IT AND THEN EXTEND THE LINE DOWN.
UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING.
WHEN WE DO HAVE RESIDENTS THAT REQUEST IT, WE HAVE HAD SOME THAT EXTEND THE WATER MAIN ALL THE WAY DOWN TO MAKE THE CONNECTION TO THE HOUSE AT THE OWNER'S EXPENSE.
WE DO TRY TO WORK WITH THEM THAT IF THERE ARE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR CONNECTION OTHER HOUSES ALONG THAT PATH TO TRY TO SHARE THE COST, TRY TO PROMOTE THE CONNECTION. SO THAT BILL, FOR INSTANCE, WOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY FOR THE WHOLE THING IF HE WANTED TO PAY FOR THE EXTENSION.
SO I KNOW YOU SAID THAT SOMETIMES.
UNFORTUNATELY, IT JUST IT DOESN'T ALIGN.
AND I GUESS THIS MIGHT BE MORE SO FOR FOR FRANK WHEN THAT DOES HAPPEN.
SO. ANY JUST TO HIGHLIGHT IF CHRIS IS PUTTING IN HIS EITHER WATER OR SEWER, ANY WORK AND REPAIRS WILL BE PART OF THAT CONTRACT.
IT WILL NOT BE PART OF A SEPARATE ROAD MAINTENANCE.
IT'LL BE DARKER FOR A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN THE ROAD THAT'S ALREADY IN THERE.
BUT IT SHOULD BE ALMOST SEAMLESS IF IT'S RESTORED PROPERLY.
YES, SIR. THE CITY CURRENTLY HAVE.
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THE ONLY REQUIREMENT IS, IS THAT THE IRRIGATION SYSTEMS FOR THE COMMON AREAS HAVE TO BE CENTRALIZED SO THAT IN THE EVENT THAT RECLAIMED WATER IS AVAILABLE, THAT THEY COULD FACILITATE THE CONNECTION.IT'S SANDY PINES PRESERVES AND COUNTRY CLUB LAKES ESTATES.
SO WE'RE NOT PUTTING A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT IN BECAUSE THAT'S VERY EXPENSIVE WATER.
GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS ONLY TO PUT IT DOWN THE WELL.
BUT WE HAVE A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT DEMAND FROM THE EXISTING CUSTOMERS IN THE NORTHEAST.
ANNE MARIE, I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'RE ON THE PHONE THAT YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. LITTLE. NO, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? MR. LITTLE, WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR FOR TAKING THE TIME OUT AND COMING TO SPEND SOME TIME WITH US THIS EVENING.
NO PROBLEM. IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, EMAIL ME.
CALL ME AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
NEXT UP, WE HAVE A MICRO SURFACING PRESENTATION BY ERGON ASPHALT AND EMULSION.
WOW. COUNTRY BOY GOT IT RIGHT.
GOOD EVENING. AND THANK YOU, FRANK, FOR ASKING CHRIS AND I TO COME TALK TO YOU.
AND THANK YOU ALL FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING ON THE BOARD.
I WORK WITH ERGON ASPHALT AND EMULSIONS.
MY COMPANY DOES A LOT OF THINGS, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO VERY WELL IS CREATE SPECIALTY ASPHALT EMULSIONS AND SPECIFICALLY FOR ASPHALT PAVEMENT PRESERVATION. THIS IS CHRIS SHANE AND HE IS WITH ASPHALT PAVING SYSTEMS, ALSO KNOWN AS APS.
SO WHAT WE'RE HERE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, RIGHT, IS MICRO SURFACING AND MAINLY THE 6% HIGHLY MODIFIED.
IT'S HIGHLY POLYMER MODIFIED MICRO SURFACING.
IT WAS DEVELOPED IN GERMANY IN 1960 FOR THE AUDUBONS TO FILL RUTS WHEEL RUTS AND THEN IT WAS BROUGHT OVER TO THE US AND KANSAS IN THE FIRST MICRO SURFACING JOB WAS DONE IN 1985 AND THEN COMPANIES LIKE ERGON, ASPHALT AND EMULSIONS, YOU KNOW, ALWAYS TRYING TO IMPROVE TECHNOLOGY AND MAKE THINGS BETTER DEVELOPED THIS HIGHLY MODIFIED MICRO SURFACING.
WE ALSO CALL IT HIGH OR 6% MICRO SURFACING ABOUT A DECADE AGO.
SO THE MAIN DIFFERENCE WITH THE CONVENTIONAL MICRO SURFACING AND WHAT WE CALL E-FLEX OR THE HIGHLY MODIFIED MICRO SURFACING, REALLY THE MAIN DIFFERENCE IS THE PERCENTAGE, PERCENTAGE AND TYPE OF POLYMER THAT IS ADDED TO THE ASPHALT BINDER.
SO IN CONVENTIONAL MICRO SURFACING, WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IS ABOUT 3 TO 3.5% OF THE MODIFICATION OF THE ASPHALT BINDER, AND THAT'S A PERCENTAGE OF POLYMER THAT IS ABLE TO GO INTO THE MICRO SURFACING.
AND WITH THE E-FLEX, WE HAVE FIGURED OUT A WAY TO MODIFY THE ASPHALT BINDER WITH A DIFFERENT TYPE OF POLYMER WHICH IS CALLED SBS, AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO BASICALLY DOUBLE THE AMOUNT OF POLYMER THAT WE'RE ABLE TO PUT IN THIS HIGHLY MODIFIED MICRO SURFACING.
SO WHAT THIS DOES IN TERMS OF THE BENEFITS, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE SAME TYPE OF BENEFITS THAT YOU SEE IN MICRO SURFACING, BUT WITH THE ADDITION OF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MUCH MORE DURABLE WEARING COARSE WEARING SURFACE ON THE ROADWAY WHEN WE'RE ABLE TO AND MODIFY THE BINDERS AS MUCH AS WE ARE WITH THE SBS POLYMER.
AND ALSO THE OTHER DIFFERENCE WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT SPECIFICATIONS LIKE IN A BID THAT PUBLIC WORKS WOULD PUT OUT THERE ARE THE CONVENTIONAL MICRO SURFACING AND THE SPECS.
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CHECK, CHECK, CHECK. OKAY, GREAT.BUT THERE WAS NO REALLY PERFORMANCE BASED TESTING THAT WAS REQUIRED ON ON THIS BINDER TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE STRONG AND PERFORM.
SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS ADDED TO THE SPECIFICATION ARE SOME TESTING.
AND THROUGH BINDER TESTING AND AN UPGRADED MIX MIX DESIGN.
AND THESE ARE ALL KNOWN AS ASTRO TESTING OR YSA TESTING.
SORRY ABOUT ALL THE ACRONYMS. AND THESE WERE ADDED AGAIN TO ENSURE THE DURABILITY AND THE INCREASED STRENGTH AND PERFORMANCE.
I'M NOT GOING TO GET TOO MUCH INTO THE WEEDS ON THIS, BUT THE TWO THAT I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO TALK ABOUT ARE THE KENTARO MASS LOSS TEST AND THEN THE INDIRECT TENSILE STIFFNESS MODULUS TEST.
IS, IS YOU WANT TO PASS THESE? YEAH. OKAY. SO THESE ARE CALLED MARSHALL PILLS.
AND BASICALLY THE ONE THAT HAS THE NUMBER TWO ON IT IS IT IS SIX, 6% MICRO SURFACING.
AND THE OTHER ONE THAT SAYS B3 IS CONVENTIONAL MICRO SURFACING.
SO WHAT WE DO IN THIS TEST HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A REALLY LONG TIME IN ANY LAB CAN PERFORM THIS TEST IS WE TAKE WE MAKE THESE PILLS AND WE PUT THEM IN WHAT'S CALLED AN ABRASION MACHINE AND THEY GO THROUGH 300 CYCLES.
AND IN THE CONVENTIONAL, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE ABOUT TWO AND ONE HALF TO 5% OF MASS LOSS PERCENTAGE.
AND THEN WITH THE HIGHLY MODIFIED MICRO SURFACING, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE BETWEEN 1 AND 2% LOSS AND THIS IS ENSURED IN THE MIXED DESIGN AND THE SPECIFICATION ON THE SLIDE BEFORE THIS THAT WHEN YOU RUN THE TEST IN THE LAB, YOU CANNOT HAVE MORE THAN A 2% LOSS WITH ANY EFFLUX MIX.
SO THIS IS AGAIN, THE SAME TEST, THE CANTOR BREW TEST.
AND AGAIN, WE RAN A LOT OF TESTS AND JUST PAY ATTENTION TO THE TWO COLUMNS OR THE RED THE RED COLUMNS, BECAUSE THAT IS A TYPE TWO AGGREGATE, WHICH IS THE AGGREGATE THAT IS USED IN FLORIDA FOR MICRO SURFACING.
AND THEN THE VERY LEFT COLUMN IS YOUR CONVENTIONAL MICRO SURFACING.
SO THE OTHER TEST THAT IS ALSO IN THE SPECIFICATION IS THIS INDIRECT TENSILE STIFFNESS MODULUS TEST.
SO IF YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, A CAR OR A TRUCK ON THE ASPHALT, THEY'RE TRYING TO KIND OF RECREATE THAT.
I KNOW. SO WE HAVE A LOT OF SCIENTISTS AND ENGINEERS WHO RUN A LOT OF TESTS AND THIS IS THEIRS.
SO WE WANT TO BE IN THE TOP LEFT QUADRANT HERE AND THESE ARE THE RESULTS OF THE CANTABRA TEST.
AND THEN THE STRENGTH TEST, WHICH IS THE, YOU KNOW, THE STIFFNESS MODULUS TEST.
SO THE FURTHER YOU ARE UP, THAT'S GOING TO BE YOUR RESULTS OF THE INDIRECT.
IT SHOWS YOU HOW MUCH YOU KNOW STRONGER IT IS.
AND THEN THE FARTHER, THE FURTHER YOU ARE LEFT ON THERE.
THOSE ARE THE RESULTS FROM THE CANTABRA TEST, AND THAT SPEAKS TO DURABILITY.
SO WE USED A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT TYPE OF MIXES AND THE ONES THAT ARE CIRCLED WITH LIKE THE YELLOW HIGHLIGHTER, THOSE ARE ALL THE HIGHLY MODIFIED MICRO SURFACING TEST RESULTS.
OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE IN THE TOP LEFT QUADRANT.
AND THEN WHERE I HAVE ALL THE ARROWS THERE, THAT IS YOUR CONVENTIONAL MICRO SURFACING.
AND IT'S NOT THAT IT DOESN'T PERFORM, IT JUST DOESN'T PERFORM AS WELL.
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IT'S NOT AS AS STRONG.THE. BUT WHERE WAS I? LET'S SEE. OOPS.
HOW DO I GO BACK? OH, THE BACK BUTTON. SO WE'RE UP AND DOWN, RIGHT? THAT'S THE THE STIFFNESS MODULUS TEST.
THAT'S IN IT'S IN THE IT'S IN THE SPECIFICATION IN THE MIXED DESIGN.
SO IT'S HOWEVER THEY SCORE, WHATEVER, WHATEVER IS THIS ONE? YEAH. I THINK THEY MEASURE A POUNDS LIKE.
LIKE YOU WOULD IN A MARTIAL STABILITY TEST.
THEN YOU'RE TRYING TO TEST. HOW? HOW? BACK.
I'M NOT TOO FAMILIAR WITH THESE TESTS.
SO THE SLIDE BASICALLY SHOWING THAT SOME OF THE TESTS THAT ARE PERFORMED, THIS IS HOW THE HIGHLY MODIFIED MICRO SURFACING PERFORMS OVER AND OVER AND OVER IN A LAB WHEN TESTED.
AND THIS IS SHOWING YOU IN FISCAL YEAR 2021 THAT THE DOT USED 62.7% OF THEIR ASPHALT WAS A 7622, WHICH I BELIEVE.
FRANK, YOU'RE I THINK USING A LOT OF THAT YOU WERE USING IT.
SO A YEAR LATER, WHICH IS 21, 22, THEY DID INCREASE THEIR THE USE OF THE POLYMER MODIFIED ASPHALT, 7622 UP TO 71%.
SO I'M GOING TO READ SOME OF THIS HIGHLY MODIFIED ASPHALT MIXTURE CONTAINS ASPHALT BINDER THAT IS TYPICALLY MODIFIED WITH 78% POLYMER, MOST COMMONLY STYRENE BUTADIENE, STYRENE, SBS AND IF YOU RECALL EARLIER, THIS IS THE TYPE OF POLYMER THAT WE ARE PUTTING IN THE HIGHLY MODIFIED MICRO SURFACING, WHEREAS CONVENTIONAL MICRO SURFACING USES A POLYMER CALLED SBR.
SO THE DOT HAS ALSO REALIZED THE IMPORTANCE AND STRENGTH OF PUTTING THIS TYPE OF POLYMER INTO THEIR ASPHALT, AND IT HAS SHOWN THAT IT ENHANCES CRACKING RESISTANCE AND RUNNING PERFORMANCE.
THANKS, AMY. SO I WAS JUST GOING TO RUN THROUGH KIND OF THE DIFFERENT TREATMENTS AND WHERE MICRO SURFACING FALLS IN AS YOU GUYS LOOK TO PRESERVE YOUR ROADS AND AS YOU GUYS KIND OF MOVE OUT OF THE ROAD BOND PAVING PHASE AND INTO MORE OF A MAINTENANCE PHASE.
AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE ACTUAL APPLICATION OF MICRO SURFACING AND THEN A LITTLE BIT INTO SOME OF THE COST AND WHY YOU SHOULD CHOOSE TO USE PAVEMENT PRESERVATION.
WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO GO OVER ANY BASE ISSUES MICRO SURFACING.
IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY STRUCTURE.
SO THAT'S JUST ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND.
SO PAVEMENT PRESERVATION, REALLY YOU CAN'T AFFORD NOT TO USE SOME SORT OF PAVEMENT PRESERVATION.
THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH DOLLARS TO GO AROUND.
TYPICALLY WE'RE TRYING TO LAY 30 TO 34 POUNDS, WHICH IS A LITTLE LESS THAN HALF AN INCH OF MATERIAL.
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AND HERE YOU CAN SEE YOU HAVE YOUR TYPICAL SP 9.5 ASPHALT ON THE LEFT, AND THEN YOU HAVE YOUR MICRO SURFACING ON THE RIGHT.YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THEM BUTTED UP NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
WE ARE USING A MUCH SMALLER AGGREGATE IN THE MICRO SURFACING.
IT'S BASICALLY THE SCREENINGS THAT YOU WOULD USE IN ASPHALT.
UM, THERE ON THE LEFT YOU HAVE YOUR TYPICAL MICRO SERVICING TRUCK.
AND THEN ALL THE MATERIALS ARE MIXED IN THE PUGMILL IN THE BACK, AND THEN IT'S SPREAD ONTO THE ROAD.
SO HERE YOU CAN SEE THE FIRST LIFT HAS ALREADY GONE DOWN ON THE ROAD AND ON CURB AND GUTTER ROADS.
WE STAY 2 TO 3IN FROM THE CURB.
THE MATERIAL. IT COMES OUT A BROWN COLOR WHEN IT FIRST COMES OUT, JUST LIKE TACK WOOD.
AND THEN AS THE EMULSION BREAKS, IT PUSHES THE WATER OUT AND THEN IT TURNS JET BLACK.
AND THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER GUY ON THE ON THE CURB SIDE.
THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE THAT LIP AT THE CURB.
AND THERE YOU CAN SEE THE MATERIAL COMING OUT.
IT'S KIND OF THE CONSISTENCY OF WHAT OATMEAL WOULD BE.
AND THEN AS IT AS THE EMULSION BREAKS, IT PUSHES THE WATER OUT.
SO YOU CAN REALLY STRETCH OUT YOUR RESURFACING DOLLARS AND GET A LOT MORE COVERED.
MOST SPECS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA HAVE A THREE YEAR WARRANTY, SO THAT WOULD COVER EXCESSIVE RAVELING DELAMINATION ANY ISSUES WITH THE MIX? OR IF YOU COULD SEE THE ORIGINAL PAVEMENT, THEN THE CONTRACTOR WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK AND FIX IT FOR FREE.
WE HAVE A THREE YEAR WARRANTY ALSO.
SO IT'S GREAT IN THE IN THE RAIN DOWN HERE IN FLORIDA.
QUICK RETURN TO TRAFFIC FOR UTILITIES.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT MANHOLE RISERS OR UTILITY BOX RISERS AS LONG AS THE EXISTING PAVEMENTS FLUSH.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO ADD ENOUGH LIP TO REQUIRE A RISER.
SO WHAT ROADS ARE WE LOOKING FOR? FOR MICRO SURFACING? WE'RE LOOKING FOR A PCI SCORE TYPICALLY BETWEEN 65 AND 85.
MICRO SURFACING IS BASICALLY GOING TO FOLLOW WHAT'S OVER THERE.
AND THEN YOU CAN MICRO SERVICE OVER ROADS THAT HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY MICRO SURFACED.
AND THEY'RE ON THEIR THIRD GO ROUND ON SOME ROADS.
UM, DO YOU KNOW, IS THERE LIKE A STUDY OUT THERE THAT SHOWCASES HOW MANY TIMES YOU CAN DO THAT BEFORE? IT'S NOT A VIABLE OPTION? IT REALLY JUST DEPENDS ON THE CONDITION OF THE ROAD, BECAUSE AT A CERTAIN POINT, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO PAVEMENT PRESERVATION ANYMORE AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO A MILLING AND RESURFACING OR, YOU KNOW, MIGHT EVEN BE SOMETHING MORE INVASIVE THAN THAT.
UM, FOR EXAMPLE THESE ROADS THAT.
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IF YOU USE MICROSERVICES ON IT, HOW LONG WILL IT YOU FEEL IT WILL EXTEND THE LIFE? SO WE'D BE LOOKING ANYWHERE DEPENDING ON TRAFFIC.AGAIN, 8 TO 10 YEAR LIFE EXTENSION IS KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
AND THEN AFTER THAT POINT, YOU COULD COME REASSESS THE ROAD AGAIN.
AND THEN IF IT'S STILL WITHIN THAT RANGE, YOU COULD SERVICE IT AGAIN.
THAT WOULD KIND OF BE THE GOAL.
AND THIS SLIDE JUST KIND OF TALKS ABOUT EXPECTATIONS.
AND ONE THING WE HAD IN THE PAST WITH MICRO SURFACING HERE IN PALM BAY WAS THE THE PICK MARKS OR THE PINWHEELING THAT HAPPENED AT THE DRIVEWAYS.
BUT WE DO WANT TO SEE A REDUCTION IN THE IN THE POWER STEERING MARKS THAT HAPPEN.
BUT IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT IT'S GOING TO BE PERFECT AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY.
AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'LL GO THROUGH WITH SOME OF THESE PICTURES.
SO HERE YOU CAN KIND OF SEE A FEW PICK MARKS ON THESE ROADS AND ESPECIALLY AT THE DRIVEWAYS.
BUT ONE THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT WITH THESE PICTURES, THESE ARE ACTUALLY SP 9.5 ASPHALT OVERLAYS.
AND IN THE HEAT OF SUMMER, YOU CAN STILL GET SOME PICK MARKS IN THE ASPHALT OVERLAYS, SO TO SAY YOU COULD LAY SOMETHING DOWN IN THE SUMMERTIME THAT WOULDN'T HAVE ANY PICK MARKS WOULD WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, NOT BEING FORTHCOMING WITH YOU ALL.
I MEAN, WE WE WANT TO DEVELOP A STRONG PRODUCT THAT'S GOING TO PERFORM WELL.
SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TURNING THEIR WHEEL 180 DEGREES ON THE SURFACE.
SO IT'S REALLY JUST TOO HOT TO TO DO MICRO SURFACING AT THAT TIME OF YEAR BECAUSE THE MICRO SURFACING, EVEN THOUGH IT IS DURABLE, IT'S IT'S NOT AS DURABLE AS LIKE AN ASPHALT OVERLAY WOULD BE. SO DEFINITELY THE TIME OF YEAR CAN DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, IMPROVE OUR CHANCES OF SUCCESS.
AND CONTINUING ALONG THE SAME LINES, BECAUSE I KNOW IT IS IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY AND FOR YOU ALL AND THE RESIDENTS USING THIS HIGHLY MODIFIED MICRO SURFACING, YOU REALLY ARE GOING TO SEE A REDUCTION OF THESE PIT MARKS OF 85% OR MORE.
OKAY. SO IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE THIS.
SO THIS IS RIGHT AFTER A JOB WAS DONE.
AND AGAIN, TYPICAL, RIGHT? SO THE LEFT SIDE IS GOING TO BE YOUR CONVENTIONAL MICRO SURFACING AND THE RIGHT SIDE IS GOING TO BE THE HIGHLY MODIFIED.
WHAT YOU'RE REALLY SEEING IS JUST REALLY A DISORIENTATION OF THE AGGREGATES.
AND YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY LESS DAMAGE DONE ON THE SIDE THAT HAS THE HIGH MOD.
AND, YOU KNOW, JUST TO ALSO GIVE GIVE EVERYONE HERE A PEACE OF MIND.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT A NEW PRODUCT.
IT'S REALLY BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME.
IN FLORIDA. THERE'S SOME IN LAKELAND, THERE'S SOME IN MARGATE.
DOWN IN SOUTH FLORIDA, THERE'S SOME IN THE VILLAGES, SOME IN ORLANDO.
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AND THEN WE'RE ACTUALLY NEXT MONTH, THERE'S GOING TO BE A COUPLE PRETTY LONG ROADS THAT HERNANDO COUNTY THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING, APS IS GOING TO BE DOING FOR HERNANDO COUNTY.THE ALABAMA DOT HAS BEEN USING AS PART OF THEIR PROGRAM SINCE 2016.
AND THEY'RE USING IT ON LIKE INTERSTATES, HIGHWAYS AND REST AREAS.
MISSISSIPPI DOT, WHICH IS MY ERGON, IS ACTUALLY BASED OUT OF JACKSON, MISSISSIPPI, DISTRICT SIX.
THEY'VE DONE 30 MILES OF FLEX AND THEY'RE CONTINUING TO USE IT EVERY YEAR.
AND WE HAVE SOME AGENCIES IN ARKANSAS THAT USE IT.
AND IT IS PART OF THEIR ROAD MAINTENANCE PROGRAM EVERY YEAR.
AND IT GETS, YOU KNOW, AS WE KNOW, IT GETS REALLY HOT IN LOUISIANA AS WELL.
THERE'S A LOT IN TEXAS AND SPECIFICALLY DALLAS, TEXAS.
AGAIN, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THERE'S A LOT OF HIGH HEAT IN TEXAS.
THEY DID 290 LANE MILES IN 2017, WHICH SAVED THEM 24, ALMOST ALMOST $25 MILLION.
SO THERE OBVIOUSLY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO TREAT A LOT MORE MILES OF THEIR ROADWAYS EFFECTIVELY.
AND THEN IN CALIFORNIA, WE HAVE A BIG PRESENCE IN CALIFORNIA AS WELL.
AND THERE ARE A LOT OF AGENCIES IN CALIFORNIA THAT HAVE BEEN USING IT FOR A LONG TIME.
IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME, BEING USED, YOU KNOW, VERY EFFECTIVELY.
SO THIS IS THE CITY OF MARGATE, WHICH IS DOWN IN BROWARD COUNTY.
AND THIS WAS A 12 YEAR OLD ASPHALT THAT WAS ACTUALLY IN LINE TO BE RESURFACED REPAVED IN 2018.
AND THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR AT THE TIME DECIDED TO TRY THIS HIGHLY MODIFIED MICRO SURFACING.
AND THESE PICTURES RIGHT HERE WERE TAKEN ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AFTER THE EFFLUX.
AND THESE THIS THIS ONE WAS ABOUT THREE AND A HALF YEARS AFTER.
AND WHAT SAM SAID, THE YEAR THAT THIS WAS TAKEN WAS, YOU KNOW, IT WAS INSTALLED AS A PILOT PROJECT.
IT'S EXCEEDED THE EXPECTATIONS AND PREDICTIONS OF ITS PERFORMANCE.
AND WE DO VISIT THIS SITE A COUPLE OF TIMES A YEAR.
SO THIS PICTURE WAS TAKEN LAST FEBRUARY AND THEN THIS PICTURE WAS TAKEN LAST SEPTEMBER.
AND THIS PICTURE WAS TAKEN TWO WEEKS AFTER IFLEX WAS PLACED ON THE ROAD.
AND OBVIOUSLY IT DOESN'T LOOK VERY ESTHETICALLY PLEASING AT ALL.
AND SO, SO THAT'S WHAT THAT LOOKED LIKE TWO WEEKS AFTER.
AND THEN THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FEBRUARY EARLIER THIS YEAR.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE HEALING PROPERTIES OF MICRO SURFACING AND AND TAKING SOME TIME IN THE HEAT AND JUST TRAFFIC ROLLING OVER THE MICRO SURFACING, IT REALLY DOES HELP.
AND IT REALLY EVENTUALLY LOOKS LIKE THIS.
AND THEN IN TERMS FOR ALABAMA DOT, WHICH HAS USED A LOT OF FLEX, SO THEY WERE DOING A LOT OF OPEN GRADED FRICTION COURSE AND THEY DECIDED TO DO THREE MILES OF E FLEX.
AND THIS IS I 5920 ON ON A HIGHWAY.
AND YOU? AND JUST TO JUMP INTO SOME SOME COSTS AND JUST TO GIVE YOU GUYS SOME THINGS, SOME THINGS TO THINK ABOUT AS YOU MOVE INTO YOUR PRESERVATION PHASE.
THEN YOU'D HAVE YOUR MICRO SURFACING AND THEN ANOTHER PROCESS CALLED CAPE SEAL BELOW THAT.
AND THEN AS YOU GO BELOW THE RED LINE, WHICH IS THE COMPLAINT LINE, THIS IS WHERE YOUR ROADS FALL.
YOU START TO GET CALLS AND COMPLAINTS.
SO WE'LL KIND OF RUN THROUGH SOME DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.
YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE A WORST FIRST APPROACH.
IT'S GOOD THAT YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE THAT.
CURRENTLY. YOU'RE STARTING TO DO SOME PAVEMENT PRESERVATION WITH SOME ASPHALT REJUVENATION.
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SO IN THIS SCENARIO, LET'S SAY IF YOU YOU KNOW, YOU JUST WORST FIRST YOU LET IT DETERIORATE TO THE POINT WHERE IT NEEDS MILLED AND RESURFACED OVER THE 50 YEAR LIFE OF THAT ROAD. IF YOU MILLED AND RESURFACE IT TWICE, YOU'D BE AT ABOUT $25 A SQUARE YARD.AND YOU CAN SEE YOU'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME BELOW THE COMPLAINT LINE.
SO THIS ROAD'S BEEN BAD FOR A WHILE.
YOU'RE GETTING A LOT OF CALLS AND COMPLAINTS NOW.
LET'S SAY IF YOU DO START TO THROW IN SOME PAVEMENT PRESERVATION, LET'S SAY IF YOU MICRO-SERVICE IT TWICE AND THEN YOU USE A MORE EXTENSIVE PROCESS AS CAPE SEAL, YOU'RE AT $17.50 A SQUARE YARD OVER THE 50 YEAR LIFE OF THAT ROAD.
AND YOU CAN SEE YOU'RE NOT BELOW THE COMPLAINT LINE TILL THE VERY END OF THAT 50 YEAR LIFE.
AND IN THIS SCENARIO, LET'S SAY IF YOU MICRO-SERVICE IT TWICE AND THEN THE CONDITION BECAME TOO BAD AND YOU DID HAVE TO MILL AND RESURFACE IT, YOU'RE STILL AT $21 A SQUARE YARD. SO IN THIS SCENARIO, YOU'RE ABLE TO TREAT IT THREE TIMES AND YOU'RE $4 LESS A SQUARE YARD THAN MILLING AND RESURFACING IT TWICE.
WE HAD THE TOWN OF LADY LAKE'S RESURFACING PROGRAM IN 2018.
WE DID 11 MILES OF MICRO SURFACING IN CAPE SEAL WAS ABOUT 510,000.
AND THEN WE DID 1.2 MILES OF INCH AND A HALF MILL AND OVERLAY.
IT WAS AROUND 225,000 THAT SPENT THE CITY'S BUDGET OF 750,000.
POLK COUNTY IS KIND OF THE SHINING STAR IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB WITH THEIR PAVEMENT PRESERVATION PROGRAM.
AND AMY WAS ACTUALLY A BIG PART OF THAT AND HELPED THEM GET THAT AWARD.
AND THAT'S THE PAVEMENT PRESERVATION JOURNAL AT THE TOP.
THAT'S POLK COUNTY WAS ON THE COVER THIS LAST MONTH.
SO THEY'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF GOOD THINGS WITH PAVEMENT PRESERVATION.
PAVEMENT PRESERVATION IS IS GREAT.
AND IF YOU PUT IT ON THE RIGHT ROADS, IT'S GOING TO DO WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO.
AND I'VE BEEN TALKING WITH FRANK.
FRANK HAS SOME GOOD ROADS PICKED OUT AS A AS A TEST PROJECT OR A PILOT PROJECT.
BUT CANDIDATE SELECTION IS KEY.
IT'S GOING TO LOOK WHEN YOU FIRST LAY IT AND THEN BECAUSE THERE'S NO ROLLING INVOLVED.
AND THEN AFTER THAT TIME, IT IT REALLY DOES LOOK LIKE AN ASPHALT ROAD.
YOU'D HAVE A TOUGH TIME TELLING THE DIFFERENCE.
SO I KNOW THAT WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION.
SO IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, AMY AND I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
YES, SIR. THE COST YOU COMPARED.
YOU WERE COMPARING BOTH TO SHOW THAT THE FLEX.
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN COST BETWEEN THOSE TWO? BETWEEN CONVENTIONAL AND THE FLEX.
SO YOU'D BE SEEING ROUGHLY ABOUT A 20 TO 25% INCREASE.
SO IT'S ROUGHLY ABOUT $0.50 A SQUARE YARD DIFFERENCE, 50 TO $0.75 A SQUARE YARD DIFFERENCE.
SO NOT A NOT A NOT A HUGE INCREASE FOR IT'S ABOUT THE SAME WHAT YOU WOULD SEE BETWEEN YOUR CONVENTIONAL ASPHALT MIX, YOUR 70 OR YOUR 6720 TWOS BRUSHES, YOUR 7622.
I THINK YOU SAID THAT WE WERE USING IT EARLIER.
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THE HIGHLIGHT SINCE OUR LAST WORKSHOP.AND WITH THE COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HAVING SOME CHALLENGES AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ROAD BOND ON THE ROAD BRAND ROAD BOND PROGRAM IN TERMS OF FUNDING, ALL THE REMAINING STREETS KNOW WE'RE ABOUT HALFWAY DONE AND WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, SPENT MORE THAN HALF OF THE MONEY.
SO WE'RE AT A CHALLENGING POINT.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT WAYS TO MAKE IT GO AS FAR AS WE CAN.
SO IT CHANGES THE PRICE BASED ON THE ECONOMICS.
ALL THOSE ARE JUST ARE STILL INCREMENTAL.
THE BIGGEST BANG FOR OUR BUCK AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE HERE TONIGHT IS TO AGAIN PRESENT A NEW NOT A NEW TREATMENT, BUT AS THE SAME TREATMENT WE HAD, WHICH IS MICRO SURFACING, BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME.
I SAY THAT BECAUSE WE NEED TO HAVE THAT TREATMENT TOOL.
WE HAVE ROADS THAT STILL ARE IN THE HIGH 70S, EVEN 80 PIECES.
AND SO I DO NOT WANT TO OVERLAY THOSE ROADS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT NEEDED.
IT'S LIKE CHANGING OIL IN YOUR CAR WHEN IT'S NOT NEEDED.
IT STILL HAS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF WITHIN THE ROAD PROGRAM.
SO MICRO SERVICING FITS THAT POCKET.
YOUR SUPPORT IS IN UNIT 40, WHICH IS THE TWO STREETS OF GORA CIRCLE AND MERCURY.
I WANTED TO GET THAT DEMO OUT.
THEY ALREADY HAVE A CONTRACT IN GAINESVILLE THAT WE COULD PIGGYBACK.
I WILL LET YOU GET THAT CONTRACT OUT IN THE EARLY PART OF OCTOBER.
GET THEM IN HERE, GET IT DONE.
OH, THAT'S COOL. TEST IT, SEE WHAT IT GOES FOR 30 DAYS.
AND IF THAT WORKS OUT GREAT, AND IF EVERYTHING FITS WHAT WE THINK IS GOING TO MEET THE GOALS OF OUR EXPECTATIONS, THEN DO THE REMAINING UNITS OF UNITS 40, 38, 39 AND 26, WHICH IS ABOUT 20 MILES.
I'D SAY PHASE FOUR AND PHASE FIVE.
WE HAVE MANY MORE STREETS, PROBABLY EQUAL 100 MILES.
THAT COULD BE. SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD HUGELY SAVE US.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE WANT TO DO IT RIGHT.
WE WANT TO DO IT EXACTLY WHAT AMY'S SAYING.
LET'S TEST IT OUT. LET'S HAVE SOME PARAMETERS.
LET'S CHECK OUT THE 6% ON A SMALL SCALE AND LET'S SEE WHAT THE ISSUES ARE.
AS THEY MENTIONED, THERE ARE GOING TO BE THE TIRE DIVOTS.
BUT COMPARED TO WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM OTHER CITIES AND OTHER AGENCIES, JUST TO HELP YOU GUYS OUT, MY BACKGROUND, YOU KNOW, I'M SAYING I'VE WORKED IN THE CITY, CITY OF SEBASTIAN, AND BEFORE THAT I WORKED FOR A COMPANY CALLED NEAL SCHAFFER.
THEY OPERATE IN ALL THOSE STATES.
THEY GOT OFFICES AT T-DOT. THEY GOT OFFICE AT DOT.
THEY GOT NEAL SCHAFFER IS IS IS A PREMIER IN THE SOUTH.
I USED TO WORK FOR THAT COMPANY.
SO THEY HAVE A LOT OF ENGINEERS.
ALL OF THEM SAID THEY HAVE NO ISSUES WITH IT.
AND I TAKE THEIR THEY'RE GOOD ENGINEERS, TOO.
REPRESENTED IN ALL THE STATES, AND THEY DO A LOT OF CITIES AND STATES AS WELL.
SO I THINK IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY NOW TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AGAIN, CAN'T PROMISE ANYTHING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, HATE TO SAY, WHEN WE DID OUR FIRST ATTEMPT, IT WAS ON COGENT CAME OUT PERFECT. WE MICROSERFS COGAN PERFECT TODAY THERE'S NO THERE'S ISSUES BUT IT'S NOT ON THE MICRO SURFACING.
AND THEN WE DID A WHOLE SCALE UNIT 17 AND 46 AND ALL HELL BROKE LOOSE AND WE HAD DIVOTS LIKE CRAZY.
I'VE NEVER SEEN SO MANY DIVOTS THAN ANY OTHER CITY, AND I'VE SHOWED PICTURES TO OTHER AGENCIES.
I WENT DOWN TO SAINT LUCIE COUNTY.
AND CHRIS, YOU KNOW THAT IT WAS IT WAS IT WAS A LOT OF DIVOTS.
AND WE TRIED EVERYTHING WE CAN TO TRY TO CODE IT.
AND TODAY, MOST OF IT IS, YOU COULD SAY, BEEN DRIVEN OUT, BUT THEY'RE STILL THERE.
SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO AVOID THAT AGAIN.
BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS, AS CHRIS MENTIONED, THE THE IT'S A SLURRY SEAL.
THE SEAL IS STILL THERE WHERE AREAS WHERE IT'S BEEN RIPPED OUT.
AND THEY REPAIRED THOSE. BUT THE SLURRY WAS ALWAYS THERE.
SO IT WAS A COSMETIC DEFICIENCY, NOT A ROAD.
I CALL IT A, YOU KNOW, A MAINTENANCE OF THE ROAD DEFICIENCY.
AND SO IT'S STILL DOING ITS JOB.
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AND I'VE SEEN AS THOSE PHOTOGRAPHS SHOW AND I'VE SEEN SOME OF OUR THIN LIFTS WITH DAVID'S ON THEM AS WELL.IF WE CATCH IT EARLY ON, YOU COULD MAYBE EVEN HEAT IT UP, PUT SOME FINES ON IT AND THEY'LL COME OUT.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO GO AND THAT'S I HATE TO EXPLAIN ALL THIS, BUT WE WANT TO DO IS GET YOUR SUPPORT AGAIN TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DEMO PROJECT, WHICH IS ON AGORA CIRCLE AND ON MERCURY AVENUE AND GET THOSE OUT IN OCTOBER WAS JUST THE START OF THE COOL.
I WANT TO GET THOSE OUT HOPEFULLY BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANYBODY ELSE? ANNE MARIE, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE PHONE? I GOT A QUESTION REAL QUICK.
IS THAT THE ONLY COLOR YOU OFFER? AND WOULD THAT WORK ON SIDEWALKS? THE MATERIAL IN TERMS OF MICRO SURFACING, IT'S YOU CAN'T REALLY USE THEM ON WALKING SURFACES BECAUSE IT MAY HAVE SOME CHALLENGES WITH ADA.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A IT'S NOT A FIRM SOLID SLIP RESISTANCE.
I BELIEVE IT'S THE OPPOSITE, REALLY.
AND SO YOU HAVE IT'S NOT IT DOESN'T SERVE THAT SAME PURPOSE.
YOU'VE GOT TO MEET ADA UNDER THE ADA FEDERAL REQUIREMENT, TITLE TWO, WE'RE ALL LOCAL AGENCY HAS TO HAS TO BE FIRM, SOLID AND SLIP RESISTANCE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE CONCRETE, DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ASPHALT.
IT HAS TO BE FIRM, SOLID AND SLIP RESISTANCE UNDER THE ADA ACT.
YOU'RE JUST ON YOUR SELECTION FOR YOUR TEST SITE.
HOW MUCH TRAFFIC IS REALLY ON THOSE ROADS? IS THAT GOING TO GIVE YOU A GOOD TEST OR DO YOU WANT SOMETHING WITH A LITTLE MORE TRAFFIC IN I TO SURPRISE OUT? WE'VE HAD COUNTERS OUT THERE.
THERE'S MORE TRAFFIC ON THOSE STREETS THAN SOME OF OUR LOCAL STREETS.
AND THERE IS ALSO MORE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TRAFFIC IN THOSE STREETS.
SO I THINK IT'D BE A GOOD TEST TO TO RUN.
AND, YOU KNOW, A GIRL CIRCLE GOES ALL THE WAY AROUND AND MERCURY GOES UP AND DOWN AND THERE'S APARTMENT COMPLEXES, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU'RE MIXING WITH SOME OF THAT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. SO WE WILL GET A GOOD REPRESENTATION IN TERMS OF ADA ADT TRAFFIC, BECAUSE SOME OF OUR LOCAL STREETS, EVEN THE ONES WE DID LIKE IN UNIT 46, I MEAN, YOU'D BE LUCKY TO GET 200 CARS A DAY, YOU KNOW, AND BUT THOSE STREETS HAD LOTS OF DIVOTS BECAUSE EXACTLY WHAT YOU MENTIONED, THERE WERE CARS PULLING OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY EVERY DAY, TURNING THAT STEERING WHEEL AND CREATING A CREATING DIVOTS EVERY DAY UNTIL SUCH TIME, YOU KNOW, THE MATERIAL GETS STIFF ENOUGH.
OUR CIRCUITS ARE RELATIVELY BUSY.
FRANK, TO THAT POINT MR. GOWEN BROUGHT UP, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WHEN WE DO PRESENT THIS TO COUNSEL, THAT WE COULD JUST HAVE MAYBE SOME OF THOSE COUNSELORS SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE SOME SPECIFICS AROUND IT? AS YOU SAID, THAT YOU'VE GOT COUNTERS OUT THERE TO SEE IF WE CAN JUST AT LEAST COMPARE TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHY WE PICKED IT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THESE RESULTS VERSUS THIS ROAD, I CAN PROVIDE YOU AT THE NEXT MEETING OF THE COUNCIL.
MY GOAL IS IF I GET DIRECTION WITH YOUR SUPPORT AND SUPPORT FROM THE CITY MANAGER TO MOVE FORWARD, THIS IS NOT GOING TO GO BACK TO COUNCIL COUNCILOR HEARD IN THE WORKSHOP THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THESE OPTIONS AND THE ONLY WAY TO LOOK AT THESE OPTIONS IS TO DO A DEMONSTRATION PROJECT BECAUSE AS MUCH AS WE WANT TO KEEP TALKING, I COULD BE LOOKING AT ALL THESE OTHER CITIES. I CONTACTED ALL THESE OTHER AGENCIES, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I COULD GO UP TO LAKELAND OR GO UP TO WHERE I USED TO WORK UP IN JACKSON, MISSISSIPPI.
BUT THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENT.
IT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN HERE IN FLORIDA OR IN ORLANDO, I'M SORRY TO SAY.
YOU KNOW, PALM BAY IS PALM BAY.
YOU KNOW, OUR STREETS ARE OUR STREETS.
AND AND I GOT TO BE HONEST, HE'S CORRECT.
WHEN WE DID SOME OF OUR STREETS AND I HAVE OUR INSPECTORS THERE, I MEAN, I NEVER SEEN WHEN WE WHEN WE PUT THE MICRO IN AND THEY HAD THEIR BEST CREWS AND THEY TRIED TO HELP US OUT. IT WAS SO HOT.
THERE WERE BUBBLES IN THE ACTUAL MICRO SURFACE.
AND SO I KNEW THERE WAS A PROBLEM WHEN THAT HAPPENED BECAUSE I NEVER SAW THAT IN MY ENTIRE LIFE.
AND AT THE SAME TIME I NEVER SAW THESE DIVOTS AT THE SAME TIME WE DID COGAN AND IT CAME OUT PERFECT.
THERE'S STRUCTURAL PROBLEMS, BUT THE MICRO IS STILL DOING ITS JOB.
THESE ARE THE TWO STREETS THAT WE WANT TO DO THIS TEST RUN WITH.
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AND WE'RE JUST PIGGYBACKING OFF OF BECAUSE YOU ALL ARE GOING TO BE OUT IN GAINESVILLE.THEY APPS AND THEY HAVE THE CONTRACT.
SO WE'RE GOING TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF THEIR RATES.
SO WE'RE GOOD TO GO AS LONG AS YOU GIVE ME THE THUMBS UP.
THE CITY MANAGER SAYS MOVE FORWARD.
I'M GOING TO DO THE DEMONSTRATION PROJECT AND GET THOSE BIDS OUT IN OCTOBER.
SAINT PIGGY BACK AND GET THOSE REST OF THOSE UNITS DONE.
THAT'S 20 MORE MILES COMPLETED.
THE REASON FOR THAT WAS THAT THOSE TWEETS WERE ORIGINALLY ON THE PLANS TO BE MICROSERFS.
THOSE TWEETS ALL HAVE HIGH PCI INDEX.
AND SO THEY MADE SENSE BECAUSE I CAN'T REALLY OVERLAY THOSE.
AND I HAD NO OTHER TOOL BEYOND MICRO SURFACING.
THERE'S REALLY A BIG GAP BETWEEN FROM WHAT YOU HAVE FROM REJUVENATION.
WE DID THOSE ALMOST THREE ALMOST OVER THREE YEARS AGO.
THEY'VE BEEN REJUVENATING. THEY LOOK GREAT.
JUST THIS LAST YEAR, WE REJUVENATED OVER A MILLION MILES, OVER 2 MILLION MILES OF STREETS.
SO WE'RE HITTING THOSE STREETS IN THIS COMING YEAR, WE'LL BE DOING A LOT MORE STREETS.
SO WE'RE FALLING RIGHT BEHIND THE ROAD PROGRAM TO TRY TO KEEP OUR STREETS REJUVENATED.
GET US OVER WHERE WE CAN'T BILL AND PAY BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT NEEDED.
LIKE I SAY, IT'S LIKE LIKE CHANGING OIL IS NOT NEEDED.
SO THIS USE A TOOL THAT FITS THE NEED, WHICH WOULD BE MICRO SERVICE.
WE HAVE GOOD MATERIAL, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? ALL THAT PLAYS A FACTOR SO FAR.
I GOT TO KNOCK ON MOST OF OUR STREETS THAT WE'VE DONE.
WE'VE DONE OVER 350 HALF THE ROAD CITIES.
I THINK APS HAS BEEN DOING FOR A LONG TIME.
AND FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM ALL THE OTHER AGENCIES USING IT, THEY'RE VERY HAPPY AND SATISFIED.
THE ONLY REASON FOR THE FOR THE QUESTION WAS YOU'RE GOING TO DEMO SOMETHING.
I WANT TO SEE IT WORK, BUT I WANT IT REALLY TESTED.
NOT UNDER THE MOST RIGOROUS CONDITIONS.
I THINK THOR IS A GOOD STREET RIGHT THERE.
AREA WHERE PEOPLE ARE WORKING.
EVERY. UH, THAT ALREADY ON IS RIGHT NEXT TO THAT.
THOR, IF YOU WANT. I GOT NO PROBLEM.
THAT DOOR. AND LIKE I SAY, I RAN THE NUMBERS WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR THESE DEMO PROJECTS.
WE'RE LOOKING AT MAYBE 100 AND UNDER 200, 200,000.
AND THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT 20 MILES, WE'RE STILL UNDER 2 MILLION.
AND I'D SAY RIGHT NOW OUR CURRENT PROJECTS ARE 10 MILLION FOR PAVING.
SO BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 2 MILLION.
10 MILLION. NO, BECAUSE WE ONLY GET RIGHT NOW THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.
I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE RUNNING SHORT REAL SOON.
I DON'T MEAN TO BE A STICKLER ON IT.
IT'S JUST WHEN THEY DID THE SEVERAL YEARS AGO, THEY DID A TEST OUT IN 31 OR 32 WHERE THEY DID A FOG SEAL ON TWO ROADS THAT I MEAN, GARBAGE TRUCKS DIDN'T GO DOWN THOSE ROADS, SCHOOL BUSSES DIDN'T GO DOWN THOSE ROADS.
I WANT TO SEE A TEST WE COULD DO, THOUGH.
BUT BUT YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU NEED A ROAD THAT HAS TRAFFIC ON IT.
AND THEN WE'LL BE LOOKING AT AS YOU MENTIONED, CHIP SEAL IS SOMETHING THAT'S DIFFERENT.
I CAME FROM CALIFORNIA AND CHIP SEALS WILL USE THE COUNTY ROADS IN CALIFORNIA.
IT'S A GOOD TOOL ON URBAN SORRY, NON URBAN RURAL STREETS.
THE PROBLEM IS THAT CHIP, YOU KNOW, BUT THERE ARE NEW APPLICATIONS WHERE YOU CAN USE CHIP AND MICRO.
SO THERE'S ALL THESE NEW APPLICATIONS THAT ARE COMING OUT WITH THE.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS ASPHALT IS A STRUCTURAL THING.
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IS A STRUCTURAL THICKNESS PAYING FOR THAT STRUCTURAL THICKNESS.IF OUR ROADS HAD PIECES OF BELOW 5040, YES, WE'RE GOING TO MILL AND PAVE.
IF BASE IS GONE, WE'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, FDR RECONSTRUCT.
BUT WHEN THE ROAD IS IN GOOD CONDITION, YOU KNOW, I'M SAYING 70 AND SOME OF THEM 80.
I MEAN, SEE, I CAN'T JUST I CAN'T REJUVENATE IT TOO LONG.
THE ONLY THING I HAVE LEFT IN THE TOOLBOX IS MICRO SURFACING AND NOT THE CONVENTIONAL ONE, BECAUSE WE LEARNED OUR YOU KNOW, FROM OUR HISTORY, THE CONVENTIONAL DIDN'T DO SO WELL. SO WE WANT TO TRY NOW THE NEW THE POLYMER.
YEAH. AND TO FRANK'S POINT, I THINK WHAT AMY AND I ARE SEEING WITH THE MOST SUCCESSFUL AGENCIES, CITY OR COUNTY, IS THAT THEY HAVE THAT TOOLBOX OF TREATMENTS AND THEN THEY CAN PICK AND CHOOSE, LIKE FRANK SAID, WHAT THEY WANT TO USE IT ON.
BECAUSE REALLY TO BE SUCCESSFUL YOU HAVE TO USE PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANNE MARIE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY AS WELL.
YES, I'M GOOD. I HEAR EVERYTHING, BUT I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU GUYS FOR THE PRESENTATION.
JUST A QUICK QUESTION. DO YOU WANT TO ADD THOR? I'D BE HAPPY TO ADD THOR.
RIGHT. GOT IT. WELL, THAT DOOR.
WE NEED TO MOTION THIS IF IT'S JUST GOING TO.
OKAY, WELL, THEN I NEED A MOTION.
LIKE TO MOTION TO ADD THOR AVENUE SOUTHEAST PALM BAY.
THE OTHER TWO SHEETS OF MERCURY AND AGORA CIRCLE.
CORRECT? YES, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THOR AVENUE, SOUTHEAST PALM BAY AS PART OF THE TRIAL.
HE SAYS, I THINK WE GOT IT NOW.
WE'LL DO AS A DEMONSTRATION PROJECT.
WE'LL DO AGORA CIRCLE, MERCURY AVENUE AND THOR.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND THEN A SECOND.
GO AHEAD. OPEN UP FOR DISCUSSION.
YEAH. ABOUT IN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST.
ONE OF THEM WAS IT WAS NOT GOOD TO BE APPLYING OVER WATER.
HE SAID THAT WAS ONE OF THE STATEMENTS THAT WAS MADE.
AND WE GET RAIN EVERY AFTERNOON.
AND THERE WAS THAT WAS GOING TO BE PART OF THE CRITERIA.
THE OTHER THING THAT THAT LEADS TO IS WE HAVE SOME AREAS WHERE WE HAVE STANDING WATER FOR DAYS.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS HOW THAT WAS GOING TO IMPACT ON IT.
ON THE SECOND ONE WAS SEASONABLE APPLICATION TIME.
SINCE WE WANT THE PERFECT TEMPERATURE WHEN WE'RE DOING THE APPLICATION, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THE TEST, IF WE GET APPROVAL FOR THIS COMPANY TO DO THE TEST RUN, THEN THAT'S GOING TO PUT US INTO SEPTEMBER, SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER.
ARE WE GOING TO MEET THAT PERFECT WINDOW FOR THE APPLICATION TIME? THAT WAS JUST A CRITERIA OF BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THIS TO FAIL, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THIS DOWN.
WE DON'T WANT TO YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO WASTE THE MONEY.
WE WANT TO MEET THAT PERFECT WINDOW.
ARE WE GOING TO MEET THAT BY THE OCTOBER TIME FRAME? JUST TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, YOU'RE UP HERE FOR IT.
EUNICE 26, 38, 3940 WAS ORIGINALLY IN UNIT.
WE WILL HAVE A PIGGYBACK CONTRACTS.
I GOT THE CONTRACTS READY TO GO.
I'M JUST WAITING NOW FOR THE OCTOBER.
IT WAS COOLER AND OCTOBER IS ALSO THE END OF OUR RAINY SEASON.
SO FORGET ABOUT THE RAIN FROM OCTOBER ALL THE WAY TILL PROBABLY ABOUT MARCH, MAYBE PUSH IT TO APRIL.
WE'RE IN OUR NON-RES SEASON, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? WE'RE TRYING TO CATCH THAT PERFECT WINDOW.
I'M SAYING COOLER WEATHER, LESS RAIN.
LIKE RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN THE RAINY SEASON, YOU KNOW, 4:00 COMES STORMING.
AND SO WE'RE AWARE OF THESE PITFALLS.
SO WE TRY TO HIT THEM SO THERE IS NO ISSUES.
WE DO THE SAME THING WITH REJUVENATION, TOO.
WE HIT THE REJUVENATION EARLY ON.
WE DO IT JANUARY, FEBRUARY, MARCH.
WHY? TO AVOID THE RAINY SEASON? BECAUSE YOU CANNOT REJUVENATE YOUR STREET.
IF IT RAINED, THAT PINK LIQUID JUST FALLS RIGHT INTO THE SWALES.
SO WE JUST WASTED A LOT OF REJUVENATION.
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BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, WE'RE IN FLORIDA AND IT RAINS.THE LAST ISSUE IS AND I CAN'T FIX THIS IS WE MAY HAVE SOME PONDING AREAS.
WE'LL HAVE OUR INSPECTORS LOOK AT IT.
WE HAVE THOSE EVERYWHERE IN THE CITY.
AND THEY'RE MAINLY AT THE POINTS WHERE THE ROAD MEETS THE DRIVEWAY BECAUSE THAT'S YOUR LOW POINT.
WE TRY TO DO THE BEST WE CAN, BUT THEY'RE THERE ALREADY SINCE WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE DOING ANY KIND OF A PHYSICAL CHANGE IN THE STRUCTURE OF THE ROADWAY BECAUSE WE'RE NOT MILLING AND PAVING. WE'RE NOT WE CAN CHANGE SOME OF THAT WHEN WE'RE MILLING AND PAVING.
THE ISSUE I'M LOOKING AT IS PROTECTING THE CAP OF THE ROAD.
THAT MAIN 20FT OF ROADWAY TO PROTECT FOR AT LEAST TEN YEARS AND THEN DO IT AGAIN.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. IF IT WORKS OUT.
HIT IT AGAIN AFTER TEN YEARS WITH THE MICRO AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS YEAR IS 20 RIGHT NOW DO THE TEST 30, 60 DAYS READY TO GO IN DECEMBER OR JANUARY, GET THE LARGER ONE WHERE ALL THOSE OTHER UNITS WE TALKED ABOUT GET IT OUT.
BUT I'M FOLLOWING NEXT YEAR WITH MAYBE ANOTHER 30 OR 40 MORE MILES OF REMAINING GOOD ROADS THAT HAVE HIGH ICE AND HIT THEM AGAIN, ALL NEW ROADS AND GET ALL OUR GET THAT ROAD PROGRAM BACK TO WHERE WE MAYBE HAVE ONLY A FEW ROADS TO AND PAVE FOR AND WE'RE SITTING GOOD.
YEAH, WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND.
WE DO WANT TO SAY, CHRIS AND AMY, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING OUT WITH THE PRESENTATION.
WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT AND EDUCATING US THIS EVENING.
YEAH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
APPRECIATE IT. YES. THANK ALL OF YOU.
THERE'S NO OTHER ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
WE NEED TO DISCUSS WHAT WE WANT FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
CORRECT. ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY THAT WE WANT TO ANYBODY HAS THAT THEY WANT TO BRING UP OR FRANK.
IS THERE SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE IN MIND? THIS IS NOT TRUSTEE FIVE ZERO TRUSTEE.
WHAT? THEY AGAIN? ESSER. OKAY.
LIKE HOW YOU CAME READY TO TO MODEL WHAT IT IS THAT WE NEED TO WEAR.
SO WE APPRECIATE THAT. CAN YOU SEND THAT IN AN EMAIL AND THAT WAY WE CAN LET YOU KNOW IF WE'LL BE THERE? OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT.
UH, AND I NEED TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE PUSH AUGUST AND THEN WE GO INTO SEPTEMBER.
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YEAH, WELL, I CAN.I CAN MAKE THE MOTION, BUT I NEED A MOTION THAT WE'RE GOING TO.
WE HAVE CANCELED THE AUGUST MEETING.
OKAY, WELL, THEN I GOT TO AT 820.
THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. GET.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.