[CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:03] I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE HEARING OF AUGUST 16TH, 2023. IT'S 1:01 P.M.. MY NAME IS JAMES BEADLE. I'M THE PERSON THAT WAS APPOINTED BY THE CITY OF PALM BAY TO CONSIDER APPLICATIONS FOR REQUEST FOR REDUCTION IN CODE ENFORCEMENT LIENS. THE GENERAL PROCEDURE IS, IS THAT THE APPLICANT WILL COME FORWARD AND TO THE MICROPHONE, IDENTIFY THEMSELVES AND PROVIDE AN ADDRESS AND PRESENT THEIR CASE AS TO THE BASIS FOR THE REDUCTION OR THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THE REDUCTION IN THE FINES. THE CITY WILL THEN HAVE THE ABILITY TO RESPOND TO WHATEVER IS PRESENTED AND THEN THE APPLICANT HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO THE CITY'S TESTIMONY OR EVIDENCE. AND I'LL NOW TURN IT OVER TO THE CLERK TO SWEAR IN ANY WITNESSES. IF YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE TESTIMONY TODAY, CAN YOU PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND? DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? THANK YOU. YOU MAY BE SEATED. [PETITION FOR RELIEF] OUR FIRST CASE TODAY IS 2277722 AT 1800 RODMAN STREET NORTHWEST. GOOD AFTERNOON. STEVE SPIRO FOR THE PETITIONER. SO THIS PROPERTY, 1800 RAWDON STREET, WAS OWNED BY TWO INDIVIDUALS, YARNELL, D'AMBREVILLE AND RAYMOND GERMAIN. THEY BOTH PASSED AWAY WITHIN 3 OR 4 MONTHS OF EACH OTHER BACK IN 2016. THEY WERE NEW YORK RESIDENTS. THEY DON'T HAVE ANY FAMILY HERE. THE PROPERTY, THEY THOUGHT THE PROPERTY WAS BEING MANAGED BY A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY. THE SON OF MR. GERMAIN REACHED OUT TO ME, LOUIS GERMAIN, FOR PROBATE. WE HAVE STARTED THE PROBATE. MR. GERMAIN HAS BEEN APPOINTED AS PERSONAL REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE ESTATE. I BELIEVE THAT THE D'AMBREVILLE ESTATE, I BELIEVE THAT THEY WERE GOING TO TRY TO USE A NEW YORK ATTORNEY TO DO THEIR PROBATE DOWN HERE. I DON'T SEE THAT THAT'S BEEN FILED YET. HOWEVER, WITH MR. GERMAIN'S INVOLVEMENT, WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO REACH OUT TO THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY. I BELIEVE THAT EVERYTHING HAS BEEN CLEANED UP AT THIS POINT. AND THE INTENTION IS NOW THAT NOW THAT THE FAMILY HAS EYES ON THE PROPERTY, THE INTENTION IS TO MAKE SURE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT CONTINUES TO MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY AS WELL AS PAY THE TAXES. WE SAW THAT THEY HAD NOT PAID THE TAXES IN A NUMBER OF YEARS. SO NOW THEY KNOW THAT WE'RE ON THEM AND AS SOON AS WE CAN GET THE D'AMBREVILLE ESTATE OPEN TO SELL THE PROPERTY TO SOMEBODY THAT WILL LIVE IN IT AND TAKE BETTER CARE OF IT. SO WE ARE REQUESTING A FULL BALANCE REDUCTION AT THIS POINT, JUST GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES. THERE'S NO FAMILY HERE. NO ONE WAS AWARE OF IT. IN ADDITION TO THAT, MR. GERMAIN IS HE'S NOT EVEN IN NEW YORK. HE ACTUALLY LIVES IN GENEVA, SWITZERLAND. HE WORKS FOR THE UN IN GENEVA. AND SO HE HAS ACTUALLY BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE. HE IS VERY HE'S HE WANTS TO MAKE SURE HE DOES EVERYTHING THE RIGHT WAY, THAT EVERYTHING IS DONE PROPERLY. SO I THINK WE HAVE A GOOD PERSON NOW TO CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY. CITY POLICE. VALERIE PARSONS, CODE COMPLIANCE DIVISION MANAGER. THE CITY HAS NO OBJECTION TO A REDUCTION OF THIS LIEN WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE ADMINISTRATIVE FEES ARE COLLECTED, WHICH IS $750 FOR THE ADMINISTRATIVE FEES. AND THEN WE'RE SEEKING AN ADDITIONAL $2,413, WHICH IS 14% OF THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF $17,238.91, WHICH BRINGS THE TOTAL TO BE PAID WOULD BE $3,163. ASSUME THE PROPERTY IS IN COMPLIANCE? CORRECT. ANY RESPONSE IF THERE IS ANY WAY TO FURTHER REDUCE THIS, THE THE FAMILY IS COBBLING TOGETHER THE FUNDS JUST TO GET THE PROBATE DONE. IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO REDUCE THAT. THE THE THE NOT THE ADMINISTRATIVE FEE. I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT THE 14%, IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO REDUCE THAT ANY FURTHER, IT'D BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. ALSO, NOT SURE IF IT'S POSSIBLE. EXCUSE ME TO PAY THIS OUT OF PROCEEDS FROM THE SALE OF THE PROPERTY ONCE WE GET TO THAT POINT OR IF IF THE THE AMOUNTS WHATEVER IS DETERMINED IS DUE IS DUE CURRENTLY OR IF WE CAN PAY THAT ONCE WE GET TO THAT POINT, GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES. NORMALLY. JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT THIS. CITIES GENERALLY AWARDED THE FULL 750. THERE ARE CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE IT'S NOT, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE $750 IS ALMOST ALWAYS AWARDED TO THE CITY. THE ISSUE OF PERCENTAGES. THAN MY DISCRETION TO DEAL WITH THE ISSUE ABOUT WHEN THE PAYMENT IS DUE IS. [00:05:03] NORMALLY WITHIN 30 DAYS. UNDER EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES HAVE BEEN EXTENDED TO 60 DAYS, BUT THAT'S GENERALLY ABOUT AS FAR OUT AS WE'VE EVER GONE OUT. I THINK THERE WAS ONE ONE TIME WE DID WE WENT OUT TO 90 DAYS AND THERE WAS SOME REALLY EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES FOR THAT AND THIS WOULDN'T FALL WITHIN THAT. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR CLIENT'S POSITION IS ABOUT THAT, BUT BUT THE ISSUE ALSO IS IF IT'S NOT PAID WITHIN THE TIME THAT'S PROVIDED IN THE ORDER, THE ORIGINAL FINES ARE REINSTATED. SO IF THERE'S AN ISSUE ABOUT THAT, THEN YOU'D HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE THE BOARD, BEFORE THE ORDER FOR THE TIME AND THE ORDER EXPIRED. UNDERSTOOD. I'M GOING TO DO IS I'M GOING TO ENTER AN ORDER. $750 FOR THE ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS, AND I'LL GIVE THE CITY HALF OF THE ADDITIONAL AMOUNT THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. SO IT'LL BE 7%, WHATEVER THAT IT COMES OUT TO BE. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'LL BE ABOUT 1200 AND. 112 OH 650. SO WHATEVER THAT SUM IS, IS WHAT WILL BE REDUCED TO. UM. THANK YOU. AND. UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES. I WAS UNDER AN ORDER TO FOR 60 DAYS. I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. JUST FOR THE RECORD, IT COMES OUT TO 1206. PLUS THE 750, WHICH WOULD BRING YOU TO 1956 TOTAL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M SORRY. OKAY. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU, EVERYBODY. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. ANYTHING FURTHER? LET ME BE EXCUSED. ALL RIGHT. THANKS, GUYS. OUR NEXT CASE TO BE HEARD. ITEMS TWO AND THREE ARE NOT CURRENTLY PRESENT, SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR. KB 2333222 AT 888. PALM BAY ROAD NORTHEAST. GOOD AFTERNOON. SO THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION IS EIGHT EIGHT. FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. OH, JOHN LEWIS, REPRESENTATIVE FOR SIMPLY SELF STORAGE AT 888. PALM BAY ROAD NORTHEAST. SO WE ACTUALLY SELF DISCOVERED THIS VIOLATION THROUGH OUR COMPANY WAS BOUGHT OUT. THE TRANSITION IS IN SEPTEMBER SO WE WERE ACTUALLY DOING A SEARCH THROUGH TIDAL WORK TO SEE IF THERE WERE ANY LIENS ON THE PROPERTY. AND THAT'S HOW WE FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS VIOLATION. THE VIOLATION NOTICE WAS SENT TO A P.O. BOX IN DALLAS, TEXAS, WHICH IS A THIRD PARTY TAX CONSULTANT THAT WE USE FOR TAX CONSULTING. IT'S NOT THE PROPERTY ADDRESS. IT'S NOT OUR CORPORATE OFFICE ADDRESS HERE IN ORLANDO THAT'S LISTED ACTUALLY ON OUR TAX RECEIPT. SO WE'RE NOT SURE HOW THAT ADDRESS GOT IN THE SYSTEM, AND THAT'S WHERE THE NOTICE WAS SENT. SO WE NEVER HAD ANY NO KNOWLEDGE OF THIS VIOLATION UNTIL MIDDLE OF JULY WHEN WE ACTUALLY WERE DOING A LIEN SEARCH AND WE SELF DISCOVERED IT OURSELVES. AND THEN WITHIN FIVE DAYS OF DISCOVERING IT, WE GOT A COPY OF THE VIOLATION. AND THEN WE HAD THE TREES. THERE WERE FOUR DEAD TREES THAT NEEDED TO BE REMOVED AND WE REMOVED THEM. WITHIN FIVE DAYS OF DISCOVERING THE VIOLATION NOTICE. IF YOU LOOK THROUGH IT. SO I KNOW THIS GOES BACK TO LIKE NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR. WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF ANY OF THIS UNTIL THE MIDDLE OF JULY WHEN WE SELF DISCOVERED THE LIEN ON THE PROPERTY. AND THAT'S WHEN WE WENT IN AND GOT THE VIOLATION. SO WE WERE ASKING FOR A FULL REDUCTION OF THE. THE CHARGES OR THE FINES? CITY'S POSITION. THE CITY HAS NO VALERIE PARSONS, CODE COMPLIANCE DIVISION MANAGER. THE CITY HAS NO OBJECTION AND A REDUCTION OF THIS LINE WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE ADMINISTRATIVE FEES ARE COLLECTED, WHICH IS $750. THE CITY IS ALSO ASKING FOR 14% OF THE TOTAL LIEN. THE LIEN WAS $10,492.90. 14% IS 1469, WHICH BRINGS IT TO A TOTAL OF 2219. DO YOU HAVE ANY RESPONSE TO THE CITY? I DO. I JUST SO ASKING FOR A FULL REDUCTION. WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF THIS. WE'VE RECEIVED OTHER VIOLATIONS OR INSPECTIONS AT THE PROPERTY. THEY'VE DROPPED A COFFEE OFF THE PROPERTY. I'VE, I'VE THE, THE, THE MANAGEMENT PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT PROPERTY AND I RECEIVED THOSE INSPECTIONS VIA EMAIL AND A COPY HAS BEEN LEFT AT THE PROPERTY. SO NONE OF THAT WAS DONE. SO WE HAD NO KNOWLEDGE OF IT AND BECOMING AWARE OF IT. WE HAD IT TAKEN CARE OF WITHIN FIVE DAYS. SO WE'RE ARE ASKING A FULL REDUCTION IN THE FINES. WELL, I CAN TELL YOU WHERE THEY GOT THE ADDRESS FROM BECAUSE I HAVE IT IN MY POCKET. [00:10:04] SO ON THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S WEBSITE AND BY STATUTE, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER IT'S A CITY OR ANY OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENT, THEY ONLY HAVE TO GO TO EITHER THE PROPERTY APPRAISER OR THE TAX COLLECTOR. AND OBVIOUSLY THEY PICK THE PROPERTY APPRAISER TO GET THE ADDRESS. AS TO THE MAILING ADDRESS FOR THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. THE ADDRESS THAT'S ON HERE IS THE POST OFFICE BOX THAT YOU WERE JUST ALLUDING TO. SO SO BY LAW, YOU IN THIS CASE, YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR. CORPORATE. LAWYER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING A CURRENT ADDRESS WITH THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE. YES, SIR. SO THE CITY DID WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO IN PROVIDING THE NOTICE. WHAT WOULD THEY HAVE NOT LEFT A COPY AT THE PHYSICAL PROPERTY LIKE THEY'VE ALWAYS DONE IN THE PAST? NOT NECESSARILY. OKAY. NO. WELL, THEY. THEY WOULD HAVE IF. CERTIFIED MAIL WAS NOT RECEIVED. ACCORDING TO THIS PACKET, IT WAS RECEIVED BY HER. SIGNED FOR BY SOMEBODY AT THE POST OFFICE BOX. YES, SIR. SO I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT. AND I'VE GOT A. RENT OUT FROM TODAY. SO IT STILL HAS THAT DALLAS POST OFFICE BOX AS THE PROPERTY'S ADDRESS OR THE OWNER'S ADDRESS, THE MAILING ADDRESS FOR THE PROPERTY. SO YOU PROBABLY WANT TO GO ADVISE YOUR EMPLOYER THAT THEY NEED TO CHANGE THAT WITH THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE. YES, SIR. UM. UH. IN A IN A IN A WEIRD POSITION BECAUSE I MEAN, YOU YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU DIDN'T GET THE NOTICE. BUT THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT THE CITY DID WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO IN PROVIDING THE NOTICES. SO WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS I'M GOING TO DO I'M GOING TO ENTER AN ORDER FOR $750. AND LIKE THE LAST CASE, I'LL KNOCK IN HALF WHAT THEY WERE ASKING FOR FOR THE PERCENTAGE. SO THAT WOULD BE 700 AND. IF THAT WOULD BE. $184.50. AND NORMALLY I DO 30 DAYS. IS THAT A PROBLEM? PAYMENT. IF YOU CAN DO 60. THAT'D BE GREAT. WE'RE. WE'RE GETTING READY TO TRANSITION OVER TO NEW COMPANY. SO 60 DAYS WILL BE THAT AND. LIKE I SAID, IT'LL BE $1,384.50. THAT'S THE TOTAL WITH THE ADMIN FEE OR 4750 AND THE PERCENTAGE IS SEVEN 3450. IF I DID MY MATH RIGHT, OKAY, I CHECKED IT FOR FOUR. CAN YOU JUST TELL ME ONE MORE TIME? 1414 8450. OKAY. OKAY. CAN YOU JUST TELL ME WHAT EMAIL YOU HAVE ON FILE? OKAY. I THINK SABRINA HAD IT WRITTEN DOWN THERE. OKAY. FMR. AT SIMPLY. AND HERE FOR LEGAL. THAT'S FINE. THAT'S A GOOD ONE. TO LEGAL. THAT'S SIMPLY DOT. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THERE'LL BE AN ORDER ENTERED AND THEY'LL FORWARD IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT CASE TO BE HEARD IS ITEM NUMBER FIVE. IT'S CB2 224921 AND CB2 225021 AT 675. TONI STREET SOUTHWEST. YES. GOOD DAY, MR. MAGISTRATE. ALFRED AGHA, 1680 MAIN STREET, NORTHEAST BOMBAY. UM, I'M HERE TODAY TO, I GUESS, ASK FOR SOME MORE TIME FOR THIS REPAIR TO START. WE HAD, UM, AT LEAST, I GUESS WE ACHIEVE A LOT. WE HAD APPLIED MAKE THIS APPLICATION FOR A BUILDING PERMIT AND WE HAVE ALL THE PLANS TOGETHER. AND, UM, I PAY FOR THE ROOF BY TIMBER LUMBER. SO WE ARE. WE ARE MAKING SOME ACHIEVEMENT ON IT, SIR. WHEN? WELL. THE LAST EXTENSION WAS PREDICATED PRIMARILY ON THE FACT YOU WERE HAVING ISSUES, GETTING SEALED, PLANS FROM SOMEBODY, AND YOU'VE GOTTEN THOSE NOW? YES, SIR. WHEN DID YOU GET THOSE? WE GET THESE PLANS. WELL, IT MAY BE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, MAYBE A MONTH. WE HAVE GOTTEN THOSE. AND WE USING ANOTHER COMPANY CALLED UNIVERSAL ENGINEERING. THERE ARE NO OUTSIDE COMPANY THAT DOES THE INSPECTION AND THE PLANS REVIEW AND ALL THAT. AND THEY ARE THE ONES THAT DOING THE APPLICATION AND ARE SUPPOSED TO DO THE. [00:15:03] LET ME LET ME GO BACK BECAUSE I'M I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU JUST SAID. REASON. THE PRIMARY REASON THAT THE LAST EXTENSION WAS GRANTED WAS BECAUSE YOU WERE HAVING ISSUES GETTING SEALED, PLANS FOR THE FOR THE FOR THE TRUSSES. RIGHT. WE DID GET THAT. I'M ASKING, WHEN DID YOU GET THOSE FOR THE TRUSSES? WE GOT THIS IN IN I THINK IT'S APRIL. THIS IS THE THE TIMBER LUMBER YEAR WE HAD PAID FOR THE ROOF. SO WORRIED ABOUT THAT. SO WE HAD GOTTEN THESE. ALL I'M ASKING YOU ABOUT IS THE BASE. THE PRIMARY BASIS FOR GIVING YOU THE LAST EXTENSION WAS TO GET. THE OLD PLANS FROM TIMBER. LUMBER? YES, SIR. AND SO. SO WE GOT THAT A WHILE BACK, AND THEN THEY SUBMITTED IT TO THE ARCHITECT TO FINALIZE THE PLANS TO SUBMIT IT TO THE CITY. AND THAT'S WHERE AND THAT'S WHERE IT TAKES A LITTLE MORE TIME BECAUSE AS I SAID BEFORE, MAN, I DON'T KNOW WHY THESE THESE GUYS TAKE FOREVER TO DO SOMETHING OR THEY THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT'S BUSY. WE HAVE TO JUST WAIT ON THEM. BUT THE TIMBER LUMBER, I HAVE A RECEIPT HERE THAT I'LL PAY FOR THE ROOF IN WHAT, APRIL OR MARCH? I'M NOT ASKING. I HAVEN'T ASKED ONE QUESTION ABOUT THAT. YES, SIR. ALL I'M ASKING ABOUT IS TIMING. THAT'S ALL I WANT TO KNOW AND ANSWER TO. YES, SIR. HOW LONG AFTER THE AFTER THE TRUST PLANS WERE? FIELD PLANS FOR THE TRUST OF ONE. AFTER YOU GOT THAT ONE, DID YOU SUBMIT THE PLANS TO THE ARCHITECT? AT SAME TIME. WE DID. WE DID SEND IT OVER TO HIM SAME TIME. AND THEN MAYBE THREE WEEKS OR SO OR A MONTH. THEN HE FINALIZED THAT PLAN AND THEN SUBMIT IT TO THE ENGINEER, TO UNIVERSAL ENGINEER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO DO THE INSPECTION AND THE PLAN REVIEW AND ALL THAT, AND THEY SUBMIT IT TO THE CITY OF PALM BAY. THEY SUBMIT IT TO PALM BAY. WELL, I DON'T. SURE, BUT THEY SENT ME THE PAPERWORK. THEY SENT ME THIS PAPERWORK HERE THAT SAID IT'S AN INSPECTION. THIS IS FROM THE CITY. I'M NOT AGAIN, I'M NOT ASKING THAT QUESTION. ALL I'M ASKING IS, IS WHEN WERE THE PLANS FOR THE PERMIT SUBMITTED TO THE CITY? THEY SHOULD SUBMIT IT MAYBE 2 OR 3 WEEKS AGO BECAUSE I TOLD THEM I'M COMING HERE AND I NEED A PAPERWORK TO TO TO SHOW THAT THIS THIS WAS THIS WAS DONE SUBMITTED TO THE CITY. ALL I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS. YES, SIR. HAVE YOU SUBMITTED PLANS TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT? YES, SIR. TEAR THIS HOUSE. YES, SIR. AND WHEN ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO GET THE PERMIT? WELL, THEY SEND BACK SOME COMMENT. THEY SEND BACK. A FEW COMMENTS. THE CITY OF PALM BAY AND IT'S BEEN ADDRESSED. UM, BUT THESE ARE JUST COMMENTS LIKE THE ELECTRIC CONTRACTOR AND I THINK, UM, ONE OF THEM WAS SOME AFFIDAVIT OF OWNER CONTRACTOR. UM, SO IT'S NOT MUCH SO, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE 30 DAYS WOULD BE FINE FOR, TO GET THIS PERMIT. AND THE ALL THE PAPERWORK WAS SUBMITTED AND THEY THEY SENT BACK A FEW COMMENTS, MAYBE TWO, 2 OR 3 COMMENT THEY SENT BACK. BUT NOTHING. HAVE THE COMMENTS BEEN RESPONDED TO? YES, SIR. SO THE ISSUES THAT THE CITY RAISED IN THE PERMIT APPLICATION HAVE BEEN DEALT WITH? YES, SIR. THAT HE INDICATED TO YOU WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO ISSUE THE PERMIT? NO, SIR. YOU ASKED. WELL, THE COMMENT DIDN'T. ALL I'M ASKING IS, DID YOU ASK, IS HE YES OR NO QUESTION? NO, SIR. AND I GUESS THEY'RE STILL WAITING ON THE COMMENT TO BE. CORRECTED. YOU BELIEVE THAT YOU CAN. YOU BELIEVE THE PERMIT WILL BE ISSUED WITHIN HOW LONG? WELL, I'M JUST SAY 30 DAYS, SIR. BUT TO BE ON THE SAFE SIDE, IF WE CAN GET 90 DAYS, THAT WOULD BE BETTER, YOU KNOW, OR 60 DAYS. LET ME ASK YOU A DIFFERENT QUESTION. IF THE PERMITS ISSUED, WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO BE COMPLETED WITH THE WORK AT THE PROPERTY? IT MAY TAKE ME. YOU KNOW, SIX MONTHS TO COMPLETE WHAT HAS TO BE DONE WITH THE PROPERTY. WHAT HAS TO BE DONE WITH THE PROPERTY? WELL, WHAT HAPPENED WAS IT GOT TO BURN DAMAGE. THAT'S NOT WHAT I ASKED. WHAT I ASKED IS WHAT IS IT YOU HAVE TO DO TO THE PROPERTY TO BRING IT TO FINISH THE COMPLETION OF THE PROPERTY. [00:20:03] WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO DO TO REPAIR THE BURN STRUCTURE? WHICH MEANS WHAT? JUST REPLACING THE ROOF. A CONCRETE BLOCK. CONSTRUCTION? YES. WHAT IS IT YOU HAVE TO DO? OKAY. IT HAS A IT HAS A WE HAVE TO DO LIKE ABOUT 20, 20% OF THE OF THE BUILDING NEED TO BE REPAIRED AND PUT A AND PUT A NEW ROOF ON IT. ROOF BEEN PUT ON IT? NO, SIR. WE GOT TO FIX THE OLD SIDE FIRST TO PUT THE ROOF ON TOP. YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE RIGHT NOW? NO, SIR. WHAT'S THE CITY'S POSITION? VALERIE PARSONS, CODE COMPLIANCE DIVISION MANAGER. THIS CASE WAS REVIEWED WITH THE ASSISTANT GROWTH MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR AND THE CITY MANAGER, AND BOTH HAVE AUTHORIZED ME TO NOT ACCEPT AN EXTENSION ON THIS REPAIR. THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR TWO YEARS, STARTED BACK IN THE END OF 2021 AND THERE'S BEEN FIVE EXTENSIONS SINCE THEN. DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER? NO, SIR. OR DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO RESPOND TO THE CITY? WELL, AS I WAS SAYING BEFORE, WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH THIS THING WAITING ON THESE PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE. UM, WITH TWO YEARS. I AM IN THE CONSTRUCTION BUSINESS AND I DELIVER DIRT FILLED DIRT ON SOME JOBS THAT BUILDING HOMES FOR OVER THREE YEARS AND THEY JUST DOING A ROUGH GRADE ON IT NOW. SO THE SYSTEM IS THERE THAT THESE PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE DRAWN OUT, DRAWN OUT. YOU CAN'T GET NOTHING DONE FROM THEM UNTIL THEY DO IT. AND IF YOU CHANGE SOMEBODY ELSE, IT TAKES LIKE YOU'RE STARTING ALL OVER. YOU'D HAVE TO SIT AND WAIT ON THEM. AND ALL I DID WAS WAITING ON THEM TO GET THESE PAPERWORK. AND NOW WE GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE GOT 95% DONE. WE ONLY NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO GET THIS PERMIT GOES. IT'S ALREADY SUBMITTED AND WE'RE GOING TO MEET THESE COMMENTS AND MOVE ON. WELL, I JUST WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND SOMETHING. THE REPAIR AGREEMENT DOESN'T ISN'T THE TIMING FOR THE FOR WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR WITH RESPECT TO THE REPAIR AGREEMENT IS NOT TO GET THE PERMIT. THE REPAIR AGREEMENT REQUIRES YOU TO FINISH WHATEVER IT IS YOU NEED TO DO TO CURE WHATEVER VIOLATIONS THERE ARE WITHIN THE TIME THAT'S IN THERE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE CITY'S POSITION THAT AS LONG AS YOU PULL A PERMIT THAT YOU'RE IN COMPLIANCE. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. SO I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THE FACT THAT YOU'RE GETTING A PERMIT. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT. SOLVES THE ISSUE OR NOT. AND I'LL ASK THE CITY, IS THAT I MEAN, IS IT THE CITY'S POSITION? FORGET FORGET ABOUT THE POSITION THAT YOU'VE JUST TAKEN ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT TO GRANT AN EXTENSION OR NOT. I'M JUST ASKING A QUESTION IF HE PULLED THE PERMIT. TO DO THE REPAIRS. DOES THAT CURE THE QUOTE UNQUOTE, VIOLATION THAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH? NO, IT DOES NOT. AND TO ADD TO THAT, I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN THE PHOTOS, THE RECENT PHOTOS THAT WERE TAKEN LAST WEEK. I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY PHOTOS. I'M NOT. THAT'S NOT BEFORE ME RIGHT NOW. SOMEBODY GOT TO PRESENT IT AS EVIDENCE. I'LL SHOW THEM TO YOU. WE'VE COME TO ANOTHER ISSUE. THE FACT THAT NOW THERE'S MORE VIOLATIONS ON THE PROPERTY. [00:25:01] NOTHING HAS BEEN ADDRESSED AT ALL. SO NO, OBTAINING A BUILDING PERMIT DOES NOT PUT THE CASE IN COMPLIANCE OR SATISFY THE REPAIR AGREEMENT. MAY OR MAY NOT BE. BUT THEY'RE NOT. JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE IN HERE DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY'RE EVIDENCE. LISA WAGLAND, THE OFFICER FOR THIS AREA, CAN'T CONSIDER THE PICTURES. HOWEVER, I CAN'T CONSIDER PHOTOGRAPHS UNLESS THE PERSON THAT TOOK THE PHOTOGRAPHS. TESTIFIES THAT THEY TOOK A PHOTOGRAPH. BUT THERE'S NO DATES. THERE'S NOTHING ON. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TESTIFYING TO, BUT. NOT THE ONE THAT. WE CAN ALWAYS HAVE THE OFFICER GET HER ON THE PHONE. I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT IT, PER SE, BUT I'M GOING TO. BECAUSE IT'S NEVER BEEN. OLD BY ME AT ANY OF THESE HEARINGS THAT THIS IS THE LAST TIME I'M GOING TO TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THAT I'M GOING TO GRANT A THREE MONTH EXTENSION. I WILL NOT GRANT ANY MORE EXTENSIONS. SO, YES, SIR. THE PROPERTY HAS TO BE DONE AND COMPLETE. SO THAT'S WHY I ASKED YOU, ARE YOU AWARE OF WHETHER OR NOT YOUR PERMITS BEEN BEEN ISSUED OR NOT AND YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW YOU NEED TO SIT ON THIS. YOU NEED TO WORK YOUR WAY THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND NOT JUST SIT AROUND AND WAIT ON PEOPLE. YES, SIR. YOU NEED TO WORK THROUGH THIS. AND I AGREE WITH THE CITY TO A CERTAIN EXTENT. I'VE GRANTED YOU AT LEAST THREE EXTENSIONS THAT I KNOW OF. SO AND THAT'S BEEN OVER A YEAR NOW. SO. YES, SIR. I'M JUST TELLING YOU, THERE IS NO REASON THAT YOU COULDN'T HAVE HAD A PERMIT. I MEAN, I DON'T I MEAN, I'M SPEAKING BECAUSE OF WHAT MY PRACTICE IS. I KNOW THAT YOU CAN WORK A PERMIT THROUGH IN LESS THAN A YEAR. YES, SIR, I DO. I KNOW. SO I'M JUST TELLING YOU, YOU HAVEN'T BEEN GIVEN AN ULTIMATUM. I'M NOW GIVING YOU THAT ULTIMATUM. YOU NEED TO HAVE THIS DONE IN THREE MONTHS. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANY MORE EXTENSIONS BECAUSE YOU'RE TELLING ME RIGHT NOW THAT YOUR PERMIT APPLICATION IS SITTING IN IN CITY HALL RIGHT NOW WITH BASICALLY SOME A COUPLE, TO USE YOUR TESTIMONY, A COUPLE OF NEGATIVE COMMENTS THAT YOU HAVE INDICATED HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED. YOU NEED TO GO TO THE CITY AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS NOTHING ELSE THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN ORDER TO GET THAT PERMIT ISSUED. YES, SIR. ASK THEM AND ASK THEM WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO GET THAT PERMIT ISSUE. YES, SIR. I NEED TO HAVE FIGURED OUT HOW TO GET THIS HOW TO GET THIS PROPERTY BROUGHT BACK INTO COMPLIANCE. AND IF THERE'S CURRENT VIOLATIONS ON THERE, YOU NEED TO TALK TO THE CITY AND YOU NEED TO HAVE THEM TAKEN CARE OF. OTHERWISE YOU'RE GOING TO BE BACK IN FRONT OF ME, BACK IN FRONT OF THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE FOR THE REGULAR CODE ENFORCEMENT FOR VIOLATIONS THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY NOW. YES, SIR. I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT. NO, I APPRECIATE IT. I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH, SIR. BUT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THINGS LIKE IF WE COME UP WITH A NEW CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE, I DIDN'T GET A LETTER IN THE MAIL. I WASN'T INFORMED. I'M NOT ARGUING WITH YOU. THAT'S WHAT I JUST SAID. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. THAT'S WHAT I JUST SAID. YES, SIR. CITY'S INDICATED THAT THERE ARE SOME CODE ISSUES OUT THERE NOW. NEW CODE ISSUES OUT THERE. NOW, I HEARD AND I JUST SAID YOU MAY BE IN FRONT OF THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE DEALING WITH THOSE NEW CODE ISSUES. THAT'S ALL I SAID. YES, SIR. SO YOU MAY WANT TO TALK TO THE CITY AND FIND OUT WHAT THOSE NEW ONES ARE AND HAVE THOSE TAKEN CARE OF RIGHT NOW. YES, SIR. I CAN ASSURE YOU THIS PERMIT IS IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY. I WILL BE ON IT EVERY DAY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS WAITING ON THE ENGINEER AND THE ARCHITECT AND THE TIBET LUMBER, WE CAN'T DO NOTHING. WE CALL THEM. WE SEND THEM A TEXT OR AN EMAIL AND WE HAVE TO WAIT. BUT THIS WITH THE CITY ARE GOING TO BE THERE MYSELF, SIR. I PROMISE. I'M NOT FUSSING WITH YOU. I'M JUST TELLING YOU. YES, SIR. I KNOW. JUST TAKING TOO LONG, THAT'S ALL. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. YES, SIR. I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU THREE MONTHS AND THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY MORE EXTENSIONS. APPRECIATE IT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT CASE TO BE HEARD IS CB2 315222 AT 280 EDGE VALE ROAD, SOUTHEAST. WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO DO A PHONE CONFERENCE. [00:37:04] NO ONE IS AVAILABLE FOR THAT ONE ALSO. [00:37:07] KB. 2333522 AT 430 ON MANZA STREET, NORTHEAST. ALSO PHONE CONFERENCE AND NOT AVAILABLE. WE'LL CONTINUE THOSE THROUGH THE NEXT MEETING. MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING. SO THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS, THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED AT 138. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.