Apr 22, 2019 Infrastructure Advisory and Oversight Board Meeting

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THERE WE GO. THE APRIL 22ND MEETING OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE ADVISORY AND OVERSIGHT

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AYE. ALL OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES. BEFORE WE OPEN UP THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENT I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE OUR CITY MANAGER LISA MARYLAND DEPUTY CITY MANAGER SUZANNE SHERMAN IS IN THE AUDIENCE. HELLO LADIES. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES

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ALSO WHAT I'VE NOTICED IS THERE'S THE REFLECTIVE PAINT IS DETERIORATING TELLING CARS WHERE TO STOP AND WHERE KIDS TO THE LINES THAT SHOW THEM WHERE TO SAFELY WALK ACROSS FROM ROAD TO ROAD. THERE'S LOOSE DIRT AND GRAVEL FOR ME AS A JOGGER I'M SURE I'M GONNA TWIST MY ANKLE ONE DAY AND I DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO SEE ANY KID OR ANYONE ELSE DO THAT. ALSO THERE'S I'VE NOTICED SEVERAL DOGS RUNNING LOOSE. I KNOW THE CITY OF PALM BAY KIND OF POINTS THEIR FINGER TOWARDS BREVARD COUNTY TO TAKE SOME SORT OF ACTION AGAINST THAT BUT JUST TO BE A LITTLE BIT PROACTIVE I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE ANIMAL CONTROL LAWS ENFORCED SIGNS IN AREAS WHERE KIDS MAY WALK TO SCHOOL OR ANY OTHER AREAS THAT MAY NEED EXTRA ATTENTION AND THAT IS ALL I HAVE. YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU MS. BURNS. ALL RIGHT THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT UNDER ITEM FOUR IN OUR AGENDA TONIGHT MR. WATANABE IS GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL. OK OUR FIRST ORDER OF

[1. Chairperson Discussion, Nominations and Election of new Vice Chair.]

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[2. Update on the Year 1 Road Program]

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BUT YOUR ANSWER IS CORRECT. WE SHOULD HAVE A SAVINGS IN MOBILIZATION WE SHOULD HAVE SAVINGS IN MOT WE SHOULD HAVE SAVINGS AND SOME OF THOSE AREAS IT'S UP TO EACH CONTRACTOR. I KNOW SOME OF THE CONTRACTORS COULD DO THAT. SOME OF THEM MAY NOT BUT WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS AS WE GET THE BIDS COMING IN. MR. CHAIRMAN. PHIL WEINBERG.

YEAH BASICALLY WHAT HE'S SAYING IS WE'RE NOT GONNA STOP A CONTRACTOR FROM BIDDING ON MORE THAN ONE SECTION AND HE WANTS TO BID ON YOUR UNIT 31 UNIT 32 AS WELL AS OTHER SECTIONS. AND IF HE COMES IN AT THE BEST BID AND WE THINK HE CAN HANDLE THE WORK IT CERTAINLY NOTHING TO PREVENT THE COUNTRY FROM BEING AWARDED TO THEM. SO IT JUST MAKES SENSE. I WAS JUST ASKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE MOBILIZATION COSTS ANY SAVINGS ISN'T REALLY THAT GREAT COMPARED IF LIKE YOU SAID IF YOU CAN DO TWO THAT'S FINE. IF NOT THE COST SAVING ISN'T NECESSARILY. JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT AGAIN DIFFERENT THAN IF YOU HAVE A MAJOR BUILDING BEING BUILT WHERE YOU'RE BRINGING IN LARGE EQUIPMENT CRANES. YOU HAVE A LARGE PROJECT WHERE YOU DIG AND  HAVE RETENTION POND, BRINGING IN LARGE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT THE TYPE OF WORK WE DO IF THESE PIPE CROSSINGS THEY'RE SMALL PIPE CROSSING IS THE SMALLEST GIVE IT A SMALL PIECE OF EQUIPMENT SO THERE'S VERY LITTLE MOBILIZATION SAYING WHAT THEY ASK FOR AS MUCH AS PEOPLE THINK ASK FOR PAVING. IT'S ALL VERY MOBILE IT'S VERY VERY TRANSPORTABLE. AND SO THEY MOVE AROUND WHEN THEY DO LARGE LARGE FREEWAYS. IT'S ALL VERY MOBILE. THEY DON'T HAVE A STANDARD PLACE WHERE THEY HAVE TO HAVE A HUGE STAGING AREA AND BRINGING ALL THESE DUMP TRUCKS AND BRINGING ALL THIS STUFF IS VERY VERY TRANSPORTED IN TERMS OF MOBILITY AND TRYING TO MOVE THEIR EQUIPMENT AROUND IN MY PRACTICE ISSUE WHEN I'VE SEEN THESE MAJOR ASPHALT COMPANIES EVERYTHING'S BROUGHT IN REAL QUICKLY AND THEY CAN MOVE FROM ONE SIDE TO THIS SIDE VERY EFFICIENTLY. THEY DO IT OVERNIGHT AND THEY ASK FOR MACHINES SITTING THERE READY TO GO. CHAIR RECOGNIZES DAVID. I JUST WANT TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT WHEN YOU USE THE TERMINOLOGY PIPE CONSTRUCTION. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT A LARGE DRAINAGE CANALS AND

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TYPICALLY THEY'RE ARE GONNA BE CONCRETE REINFORCED CONCRETE PIPE CAUSE THEY'RE UNDER THE ROADWAY AND SOME OF THESE WE CAN'T GET AWAY WITH WITH PLASTIC BECAUSE OF THE DEPTH WHERE IT IS. IF YOU HAVE MORE DEPTH COVERAGE THEN WE DO HAVE TO HAVE THE CONCRETE MAJORITY THESE ARE ALL BASIC CONCRETE PIPES. THEY'RE ALL  CONCRETE PIPES. YES THEY ARE. I'VE SEEN THE PLASTIC FROM AN [INAUDIBLE]. I DID SEE CONCRETE. ON THE CULVERT PROJECTS WE HAVE ADS. THE PLASTIC PIPE FOR THE SIDE THAT COMES IN THE SWALES AND THEN YOU HAVE PLASTIC PIPE THAT GOES BACK INTO THE DITCH INTO THE CANAL SYSTEM. BUT THE ACTUAL MAJOR CULVERT IS A CONCRETE BLOCK.

YEAH. MR. CHAIR. ONE OTHER QUESTION FRANK WHEN DO YOU ANTICIPATE THE GEO TECHNICAL TESTING TO BEGIN. AGAIN WE'RE WE'RE READY TO GO. AS SOON AS WE GET THEY'LL OK SOME OF THE FINANCE PAPERWORK WE NEED TO TAKE CARE THAT TIES IN WITH THE BOND VALIDATION THAT TIES WITH ALL THESE NUMBERS. I THINK WE'RE STILL SAFE BECAUSE WE'RE STILL WAITING ON THE PIPE PROJECT TO GET THOSE GOING. THE PLANS ARE ALL READY TO GO. ONCE I KNOW FOR SURE LET'S SAY THE GEOTECHNICALS ONCE THEY START TAKES THEM MAYBE THREE WEEKS TO DO ALL THAT ONE AREA. SO WE START GETTING THE DATA THEY'RE ALL GOING TO BE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME. I DON'T BELIEVE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A HUGE RANGE OF SOLO SAMPLES TO SAY YOU KNOW WE'VE GOT TO KEEP CHANGING THE ASPHALT. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO PRETTY MUCH IN 31 32 COME UP WITH SOME BASIC STRUCTURAL SECTIONS AND THEN ALL WE DO IS CHANGE THE STRUCTURE SECTION ON THAT ONE SHEET AND THAT'S IT. SO THE SHEET WON'T CHANGE DRAMATICALLY. WELL THE CORE SAMPLES WILL DETERMINE THE SCOPE OF WORK NECESSARY ON EVERY SINGLE ROAD. WE'VE ALREADY DONE THE BASIC. SO WE'RE ASSUMING THE WORST CASE RIGHT NOW AND WORST CASE STRUCTURAL SECTIONS WE'RE HOPING THAT WHEN WE DO THE SOLO BORINGS WE FIND THAT IT'S A LITTLE BETTER THAN WE COULD SHALLOW DOWN AND NOT HAVE SAY AS DEEP OF A DEEP LIFT IN THE MIX AS WELL IN AMOUNT OF CONCRETE AMOUNT OF EMULSION YOU MIX IN. BUT MOST THAT'S ALREADY KIND OF LIKE A TEMPLATE READY TO GO. SO WE JUST PUT THE WORST CASE RIGHT NOW AND THEN WE'LL TWEAK THAT ONCE WE GET THE REAL DATA. UNDERSTOOD. YEAH GREAT. THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO ASK ANOTHER QUESTION. PIPES ARE THEY PRECAST CONCRETE. YES SIR.

PIPING. AND HOW MANY I KNOW YOU SAID UNIT 31 32. YEAH. GONNA BE A LOT OF. HOW MANY. YEAH. 31 32 THERE. I THINK BOTH ABOUT 80 CROSSINGS SOME 80 PIPE CROSSINGS. YEAH I THINK THE CURRENT ONE WE HAVE RIGHT NOW UNIT 42 ONLY HAS THE FIRST ONE WENT OUT AHEAD 26 THE CURRENT ONE RIGHT NOW JUST GOT BIDDED IT OUT HAS 30 SOMETHING. YEAH. THIS THIS WOULD BE ALMOST THREE TIMES THE SIZE. QUESTION FOR YOU. CAN THERE BE SOME POSTING OF THE DOCUMENTS LIKE THE BOND DOCUMENTS AND THE ROADWAY PLANS JUST SOME ONLINE LIKE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME OF THESE DOCUMENTS. OUR ATTEMPT AGAIN. WE'RE KIND OF BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL BUT IN THE FUTURE YOUR ANSWER IS YES WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME OF THESE IN PLACE WHERE WE CAN SHOW YOU A GOOD EXAMPLE SOMEONE BROUGHT UP THE CITY ST.

LUCIE HAS A PAYMENT MANAGEMENT SYSTEM IT HAS AN ACTIVE [INAUDIBLE] MAP YOU CLICK IT YOU SEE WHAT'S GOING ON YOU CLICK IT YOU SEE WHAT KIND OF PROJECTS ARE OCCURRING YOU COULD HAVE THAT SAME TEMPLATE OPEN UP PDF FILES. THAT'S OUR GOAL. BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET THE PLANS READY TO BE ADVERTISED. AND SO I'M USING EVERY RESOURCE I HAVE JUST TO GET THE ENGINEERING PLANS READY PERMITTED AND AHEAD AS WELL AS THE PIPE PROJECTS ARE AHEAD. SO THE THE MORE THE IDEAL STUFF LIKE WE LIKE TO HAVE FOR A WEB SITE WE WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT BUT RIGHT NOW I'M USING MY RESOURCES JUST TO GET THE ACTUAL WORK DONE. WE WILL NEXT YEAR MY PROMISE IS ASSUMING WE GET A SLIGHT LONG BREAK WE CAN START BREAKING OUT SOME OF OUR GS SO OUR DESIGN PEOPLE TO START CREATING THOSE TEMPLATES WE NEED TO HAVE BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA FOR THE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO HAVE ACCESS TO THESE PROJECTS. SO WE AGREED. THE 81 82 PIPES IS THAT EACH UNIT SHOULD THERE BE A TOTAL OF 160 SOMETHING OR IS THE 81, 82 IS THAT COMBINED FOR BOTH. NO THE TOTAL WOULD BE LIKE 160 CORRECT. OK. ALL RIGHT. CHAIRMAN. YES I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. YOU WERE MENTIONED BUNDLING UNITS TOGETHER FOR COST SAVINGS WHEN WE WENT OUT ORIGINALLY TALKING ABOUT THE BOND PROJECT. IT WAS ONE OF THE MAJOR SELLING

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WE'RE JUST TRYING TO STAY AHEAD OF THE HORSE AND TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THESE PLANS AND WE HAVE SOME PROJECTS READY TO START. RIGHT NOW THE BEST WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW IS MAYBE AUGUST SEPTEMBER [INAUDIBLE] GET THESE PROJECTS BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO GET THESE PIPE PROJECTS IN IT IN ADVANCE OF THESE ROAD PROJECTS. BUT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY MAYBE WE CAN. I THINK SO LIKE UNITS 41 OR 42 MAYBE 31 32. BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET THEM ALL OUT THE DOOR. NEXT YEAR IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT STORY. WHAT ABOUT ON. YOU MENTIONED UNIT 41 AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE THAT THAT'S A UNIT THAT'S JUST GONNA BE LIKE A THIN LIFT OR YOU KNOW IT'S VERY MINOR. I MEAN THAT'S WHAT SOME OF OUR BETTER ROADS. YOUR ONE HURDLE THERE I WOULD GUESS IS THE CULVERT ON WISTERIA TO THE THE NORTH END OF WISTERIA THERE ACTUALLY 41 HAD ONLY A FEW PIPES THAT WE ALREADY TOOK CARE OF IN-HOUSE FOR THE ONES READY TO GO. OKAY. AND THEN THE LAST ONE WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT WORKING WITH ST. JOHN'S FOR PERMITS DO YOU GET ANY FRICTION BACK FROM ST. JOHN'S. I MEAN IT IS A LONG PROCESS OR IS IT. NO IT'S ACTUALLY TYPICALLY WHEN YOU SUBMIT FOR ST.

JOHN'S PERMIT THERE'S TWO TYPES OF PERMITS YOU GO FOR EITHER YOU GO OUT FOR THE GENERAL PERMIT OR YOU GO OUT FOR THE INDIVIDUAL AND THEY CALL ENVIRONMENTAL RESEARCH PERMIT THE ERP PERMIT BOTH THOSE ARE FOR PROJECT WE SEE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS AREA AREAS YOU CAN'T DRAIN INTO THE GROUND SO YOU HAVE TO COMPENSATE FOR THE RUNOFF. SO EITHER WITH RETENTION PONDS OR SOME OTHER WAYS TO RETAIN THAT WATER IN OUR SITUATION WE'RE NOT CREATING ANY NEW SURFACE AREAS. IT'S ALL EXISTING ROADS ALL EXISTING AREAS EXCEPT FOR 31, 32 KIDS IT'S KIND OF LIKE IS IT YOU KNOW THEY ARE ROADS OUT THERE BUT SOME OF THOSE ROADS ARE QUESTIONABLE. YOU KNOW I'M SAYING THEY'RE PACKED TYPE DIRT BUT THEY STILL DO RUN OFF THE WATER. IT DOESN'T PENETRATE AND THERE IS NO DRAINAGE AREAS OUT THERE. AND BECAUSE OF THOSE ISSUES WE'VE ALREADY MET AND TALKED WITH THEM THEIR GUT FEELING WAS GO AHEAD SUBMIT THE APPLICATION I THINK WAS JUST TO HAVE A PAPER TRAIL BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A LARGE AREA WE'RE TALKING TO SUCH A LOT OF STREETS A LOT OF PIPES WE JUST ALL WANT TO MAKE SURE IN CASE SOMEONE HAS AN ISSUE. WE SUBMITTED THE PAPERWORK THEY DID THE REVIEW AND THEY SAY YOU KNOW NOT A PERMIT BUT YOU KNOW WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS AND IT'S ON RECORD.

THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WHY WE DID IT. I FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE BECAUSE THEY ARE SUCH LARGE AREAS AND THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA RAISE A FLAG BEFORE WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE TIME AND THEN TYPICAL IS 30 DAYS REVIEW THROUGH ST. JOHN'S. MORE ALONG THE LINES OF MY QUESTION WAS IF YOU WERE HAVING DIFFICULTIES ARE THERE PEOPLE WE CAN CONTACT TO TRY TO SMOOTH THOSE.

WE'RE NOT HAVING ANY DIFFICULTY. WE WORK VERY WELL WITH ST. JOHN'S OUR STAFF AND SO WE HAVE NO PROBLEMS RIGHT NOW. WE FORESEE A VERY SHORT REVIEW PERIOD UNDER THE 30 DAYS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. CAN WE MOVE ON TO A DISCUSSION A YEAR TWO

[3. Begin discussion on the Year 2 Road Program]

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BUT TYPICALLY WHAT I'VE DONE IN AREAS WHERE PEOPLE SAY YOU KNOW YOU HAVE TO REDO THE CURB AND SAY CURB AND GUTTER YOU COULD TAKE OUT THE ASPHALT AND NOT TOUCH THE CURB AND GUTTER AND THEN RE ASPHALT RIGHT BACK AND ABUTT THEM RIGHT UP TO THE ASPHALT TO THE CURB LIP ITSELF. I'VE SEEN MANY PROJECTS WE DO THAT SAY DRIVEWAYS. WE HAVE A CONCRETE DRIVEWAY. YOU GRIND IT YOU KEEP A NICE SHARP EDGE AND THEN YOU BUTT THE ASPHALT RIGHT UP TO IT. AND THAT WORKS JUST AS NICE JUST AS CLEAN IF YOU  HAVE A NICE CLEAN GRIND YOU COULD DO THE SAME WITH WITH GUTTERS YOU COULD DO THE SAME WITH MIAMI CURBS. HOWEVER THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'LL BE LOOKING INTO BECAUSE OF THOSE ISSUES WE GO TO IS IT DRAINAGE SYSTEM DEFICIENT OR IS IT BUSTED I HAVE NOT BEEN OUT THERE. OUR INSPECTORS HAVE NOT BEEN OUT THERE. WE'VE WE'VE LOOKED AT PIPE CROSSINGS BUT NOT THESE ARE LONGITUDINAL PIPES GOES. I GUESS MY QUESTION IS IS IF IT'S THE CURB AND GUTTER THAT'S THE CONCRETE WORK THAT'S NOT BEING FIXED WITH ASPHALT THEN IS IT COVERED UNDER THE REPAVEMENT BOND OR IS IT STORMWATER. IT'S IT'S A TOUGH QUESTION THOUGH. YOU GUYS WILL HAVE TO THEN PROVIDE SOME DIALOGUE ON BECAUSE YOU KNOW TYPICALLY WHAT WHEN DO YOU STOP. WHAT IS A ROAD PROJECT YOU KNOW. I MEAN IF YOU TALK ABOUT JUST RESURFACING AN FDOT PROJECT LOOKS AT RESURFACING REBUILDING PAVING NOT DRAINAGE. HOWEVER YOU KNOW IF YOU LOOK AT THE ROAD ITSELF DOES THE ROAD REQUIRE TO HAVE CURB AND GUTTER. YES IT DOES IS ROAD REQUIRED TO HAVE A STRIPING. YES IT DOES. IT IS REQUIRED TO HAVE CROSSWALKS. YES IT DOES.

BUT WHEN DO YOU STOP THAT INFRASTRUCTURE POINT WAS IT REALLY PART OF THE ROAD. I THINK THE INTENT OF THIS ROAD PROJECT WAS TO PAVE AS MUCH AS YOU CAN. IF YOU START PUTTING MORE OF YOUR MONEY INTO THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PROBLEMS IN YEAR 5 AT THE SAME TIME. WHAT IS LEGALLY DEFENDABLE BY THE VERBIAGE OF THE BOND. BUT IT'S AGAIN SOMETHING THIS BODY WILL MAY WANT TO HAVE SOME DIALOGUE ON. I'M JUST PROVIDING THE FACTS RIGHT NOW. SO HERE ARE SOME OF THE ISSUES AS WE GO OUT THERE INSPECT IT I'LL PROVIDE YOU MORE DETAIL INFORMATION AND GIVE YOU THUMBS UP. YEAH THESE ARE OK FACILITIES IN TERMS OF DRAINAGE OR WE GOT SOME PROBLEMS OUT

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23, BAD AREAS. BAD STREET. SO WE HAVE TO BALANCE IT OUT IN TERMS WHAT WE HAVE.

SO I THINK THE LONG TERM AS THE CITY MANAGER IS WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE SPREAD IT OUT. SO HOPEFULLY BY YEAR THREE WE CAN MAKE GOOD JUDGMENT CALL BY SAYING HEY WE COULD DO IT. I THINK WE CAN MAKE IT. THIS FIRST YEAR YOU KNOW WE'RE STILL SEEING WHAT THE CONTRACT BIDS COME IN TOO HIGH. THAT MAY BE AN ISSUE RIGHT NOW BIDS COMING IN EXTREMELY LOW WHICH IS GREAT. THOMAS DO YOU. YEAH. YES SIR. THANK YOU. A COUPLE OF THINGS I HEARD WAS THAT WE'RE NOT SURE WHAT THE CONDITIONS OF THE PIPE ARE ON THOSE MIAMI CURBS. LISA DON'T GO ANYWHERE. SO IF WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE

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ARE THEY REALLY DETERIORATED TO THE POINT WHERE YOU KNOW WE CAN MAKE A GOOD JUDGMENT CALL OR ARE THEY STILL OKAY AND WILL THEY LAST 10 YEARS THEY'RE GOING BACK OUT AND CHECKING THOSE AND THAT INCLUDES THAT PORT MALABAR AREA. AND SO UNTIL WE COME BACK WITH SOME MORE INFORMATION THAT'S WHY I DON'T WANNA GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION I HAVE RIGHT NOW STUFF IN THE PAST IT'S IS VAGUE SOME OF THE PAST STUDIES BECAUSE THEY ALREADY KNOW SEVEN YEARS OLD AND WATER SITTING ON A PIPE WITHIN A YEAR COULD BE TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF DAMAGE ESPECIALLY IF THE THAT PIPE HAS REACHED ITS LIFESPAN AND THE CORROSION IS GONE. IT'S NOT JUST IT IS JUST ROTTING AWAY AND THERE'S A POINT WHERE IT JUST BREAKS EVEN FASTER. SO UNTIL WE GET THE MORE DATA UNTIL WE GET OUR INSPECTORS OUT THERE GIVE US A FEW MORE MEETINGS AND I THINK WE'LL HAVE SOME BETTER DISCUSSIONS IN TERMS OF WHAT WE SHOULD DO ON THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM OUT THERE BECAUSE IT IS A IT'S A PRETTY PORT MALABAR IT'S A IT'S A LARGE CIRCULAR STREET. SO THERE'S A LOT OF PIPES OUT THERE. AND I THINK WE COULD TALK ABOUT THIS EVEN LONGER. I THINK SOMETHING I JUST WANT TO KIND OF IN SUMMARY IS THAT YOU'VE MADE A LOT OF STEPS IN THE FIRST YEAR AND THIS IS WHERE WE'RE STARTING FROM. AND IF WE NEED TO WE CAN MAYBE SLOW DOWN IN THE SECOND YEAR AND REASSESS AND YOU KNOW WE'RE NOT QUITE THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING OF THE DISCUSSION CORRECT. SO IN SAKE OF THE LENGTH OF THIS MEETING IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS QUESTIONS ON? I'M MORE OF A VISUAL MAN YOU SAY SUBMITTED UNIT 31 AND 32 ST. JOHNS PROJECT PERMITS. READY TO GO. CAN YOU DIRECT ME TO THAT AREA SO I CAN TAKE PICTURES TO SEE WHAT IT'S LIKE. YES I WILL. DAVID I'LL BE HAPPY TO SHOW YOU THOSE AREAS. I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO BE TAKING OUT IF YOU IF YOU WANT ONE ON ONE I COULD TAKE YOU OUT THERE AND SHOW YOU WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. IF YOU REALLY WANT TO SEE I HAVE NO PROBLEM DOING THAT. YEAH BUT I HAVE A PROFESSIONAL CAMERA YOU AND I WOULD JUST GO OUT AND I COULD SHOW YOU WHAT'S OUT THERE RIGHT. YES BECAUSE I WANT TO. I WANT TO ACTUALLY SEE HANDS ON. YEAH I'LL BE HAPPY TO DO THAT SIR. AND I'LL SHARE IT WITH THE BOARD OF COURSE PICTURES. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S. I LOOK

[4. Status of the SRTS sidewalks and the SRTS safety study]

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WELL TWO ITEMS THE SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOLS THE SIDEWALK PROJECTS. HOW ARE THEY BEING POSTED AND INFORMED TO THE PUBLIC THAT THE CITY IS DOING THIS WORTHWHILE PROJECT. I'M NOT SURE THAT I KNOW IN THE PAST THERE WAS A LOT OF COMMUNITY BASED INVOLVEMENT BECAUSE TO GET SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL GRANTS THE FIRST CRITERIA IN THE GRANT APPLICATION IS A COMMUNITY BASED INVOLVEMENT. SO YOU HAD TO HAVE INVOLVEMENT WITH THE SCHOOL YOU HAD TO HAVE INVOLVEMENT WITH THE PARENTS YOU HAD TO HAVE INVOLVEMENT WITH THE LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT YOU HAD TO HAVE INVOLVEMENT WITH THE GENERAL PUBLIC AS REQUIRED TO SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL TO GET THE GRANT. FROM THAT POINT TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY I THINK MAYBE THE WE'LL BE THERE AFTER WE GET THE DESIGNS DONE PUT THEM ON THE WEB SITE SO PEOPLE WILL KNOW THESE ARE THE SIDEWALKS AS AN AREA. MAYBE A MAP THAT SHOWS THESE ARE LOCATIONS FOR THIS YEAR AND MAYBE FUTURE YEARS BECAUSE ON THE NEXT SLIDE I'LL SLOW YOU WE HAVE A STUDY GOING ON. TAKE A LOOK AT OTHER SCHOOLS THAT MAY BE A GOOD WEB PAGE TO LOOK AT. I HAVE ANOTHER  QUESTION. SO THESE SIDEWALKS. THE PLAN IS FOR THEM TO BE LAID DOWN AS OF NEXT YEAR.

THAT'S CORRECT BECAUSE CONSTRUCTION WILL BE IN 20 20. THE NEXT ITEM IF YOU WANT. SO THE NEXT ONE. THIS FOLLOWS THE SAME KIND OF TOPIC WHERE WE NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOLS STUDY FIRST SLIDE WILL SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL SIDEWALK DESIGN. WHAT HAPPENED WAS OUR STAFF APPROACHED THE TPO THE TPO IS THE MECHANISM THAT HELPS US WITH THE FDOT GRANTS BECAUSE THEY'RE SUCH A HUGE DEMAND FOR THESE GRANT MONIES. THE TPO STEPPED IN AND HELPED US DO WHAT THEY CALL A SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL STUDY. SO BASICALLY DO AN ASSESSMENT. WHERE ARE THESE AREAS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE SIDEWALKS. THE STUDY WAS SPLIT BETWEEN US AND MELBOURNE AND SO SHOWN ON HERE ARE THE SCHOOLS WITHIN THE CITY OF PALM BAY. SO THOSE FOUR SCHOOLS ARE THE ONES THAT THEY'RE DOING A STUDY OR AN ASSESSMENT TO SEE WHAT ARE THE REAL ISSUES IN THESE AREAS WHERE SHOULD THE SIDEWALKS BE. AND IN THIS PROCESS WE'LL GO THROUGH A AN ENGINEERING STUDY THAT WILL MEET WITH THE SCHOOLS MEED WITH THE PRINCIPALS MEET WITH PARENTS MEET WITH THE COMMUNITY AND IDENTIFY WHERE [INAUDIBLE] SCHOOLS. AND OF COURSE IF IT'S IN ANYBODY'S BEST INTEREST YOU WANT SIDEWALKS ON ALL THE STREETS BUT WHERE ARE THE ONES FOR SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOLS SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOLS IDENTIFY A PATH OR A CORRIDOR THAT

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THEY LOOK AT YOU KNOW SCHOOL POPULATIONS SCHOOL TRIPS IN TERMS OF WALKABILITY YOU KNOW WHERE STUDENTS COME AND GO AND TODAY IS REAL EASY BECAUSE SCHOOLS HAVE EVERYBODY'S ADDRESSES ON THE GIS DATABASE AND YOU COULD EASILY SEE WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO THE OLD DAYS I USED TO DO SURVEYS IT WAS SURVEY EACH OF THE STUDENTS TO FIND OUT WHERE THEY GO WHAT STREET THEY COME. BUT TODAY THE TECHNOLOGY THERE THEY HAD THE SCHOOL KIDS ADDRESS THEY POPPED ONTO A MAP AND THEY KNOW WHERE THEY GO WHERE THEY COME AND SO AND I KNOW THIS BECAUSE I WAS A CONSULTANT AND THAT'S ALL PROTECTIVE INFORMATION BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION. BUT SCHOOL DISTRICTS HAVE THAT INFORMATION SO THEY COULD TRULY SEE WHICH SIDEWALKS ARE NEEDED WHICH ONES ARE NOT NEEDED. AND THEN THEY TALKED TO OTHER PARENTS I TALKED TO LAW ENFORCEMENT TALKED TO THE ENGINEERING AND MAKE SURE WHAT THEIR ASSESSMENTS ARE CORRECT SHOULD THE SIDEWALK BE HERE TO THE SIDEWALK BE THERE SHOULD THE CROSSINGS BE HERE AND THEN THEY TRY TO SCALE THAT DOWN TO THE ASSESSMENT PROCESS TO HAVE A PROJECT WHAT'S THE PROJECT. SO THAT'S WHAT THE STUDY IDENTIFIES. WHAT'S THE SIDEWALK PROJECT. IS THE PROJECT ON SCHEDULE BECAUSE IT SAYS THE KICKOFF MEETING LATE SPRING EARLY SUMMER. THIS IS THAT I TOOK THIS OFF A TPO SCHEDULE. THIS IS THERE WE'RE NOT HANDLING THE ACTUAL PROCUREMENT OF THIS IT'S ALL GOT IT'S GOING THROUGH THE TPO. SO I JUST TOOK A SNAPSHOT OF WHAT THEY HAVE. IF THIS WAS PUBLISHED CHANGE BECAUSE THIS IS MAYBE THREE MONTHS OLD ALREADY SO BUT AT THE NEXT TPO MEETING I'LL GET AN UPDATE. YOU SAID FOR A GRANT APPLICATION TO BE SUCCESSFUL IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DONE SUPPOSED TO HAVE EVERYTHING TOGETHER BY SEPTEMBER.

THE STANDARD RULE OF THUMB SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL GRANTS THEY ARE DUE FEBRUARY MARCH YOU TRY TO GET YOUR APPLICATIONS TWO THREE MONTHS IN ADVANCE COULD YOU HAVE TO DO ALL THIS.

YOU HAVE TO DO ALL THESE MEETINGS YOU HAVE TO HAVE THIS COMMUNITY BASED MEETINGS YOU HAVE TO HAVE THESE MEETINGS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT YOU HAVE TO HAVE MEETINGS WITH THE LAW ENFORCEMENT. I BELIEVE YOU SUPPOSED TO HAVE AT LEAST TWO PUBLIC MEETINGS. SO IN THAT WHOLE PROCESS DO ANOTHER ALMOST DOING THE DESIGN YOU HAVE TO HAVE CONCEPT PLANS ALL THE DATA INFORMATION SO YOU'RE A GOOD YOU KNOW WHEN I USED TO DO GRASSROOTS FOR LOCAL AGENCIES I DID IT IN OCTOBER AND SO BY DECEMBER I HAVE AN NICE PACKAGE READY TO GO. SO IF YOU TRY TO DECEMBER TRYING TO PACKAGE UP THE APPLICATION THEY COULD TELL WHICH ONES HAVE BEEN THOROUGHLY WORKED UPON. HAS ALL THE BACKGROUND DATA HAS ALL THE. BECAUSE THEY LOOK AT DATES WHEN THEY HAD MEETINGS AND THAT JUST ALL RUSHED IN THE MONTH OF DECEMBER AND THEY LOOK AT THOSE NOWADAYS AND THEY REALLY TAKE IT UPON THEMSELVES TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THIS HAS A THOROUGH STUDY THAT WAS DONE AND THE APPLICATION WAS WELL DONE WITH A FEW MONTHS TIMEFRAME THEY SEE THAT AND THOSE ARE ONES THAT GET HIGHER POINTS. WHO IS THE CITY OF PALM BAY TPO REPRESENTATIVE. ACTUALLY IT'S SUZANNE. SHE'S THE PRIMARY AND THE SECONDARY. I'M THE CHAIRMAN OF THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTED TO THE TPO. I'M SORRY.

YES. YEAH. YEAH. YEAH. YOU'RE ON THE ACTUAL BOARD. YEAH WE WERE THE STAFF. I THINK THE QUESTION WAS. 

[5. Update on the SJHP at I-95 Interchange and Babcock intersection by Staff]

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JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY THAT WE HAVE OUR CONTRACTOR COMMUNITY ASPHALT. RIGHT NOW THAT PROJECTS MOVING ALONG. WE HAVE RIGHT NOW ABOUT A HUNDRED NINE DAYS LEFT ON OUR CONTRACT. THE ACTUAL DATE OF CONTRACT TERMINATION IS END OF CONSTRUCTION IS JUNE 19TH 2019. HOWEVER I PUT A LITTLE CAVEAT OUT THERE THAT I THINK THAT IT MAY PUSH OUT THERE ARE RAIN DAYS AND THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES SO YOU KNOW ESPECIALLY IN CONSTRUCTION THAT GOOD CHANCE TO BE PUSHED OUT. THE CONTRACTOR RIGHT NOW CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW IS INSTALLING ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE PIPES UTILITY ALL THE UTILITY PIPES THE DRAINAGE PIPE SYSTEM. SOON AFTER ALL THAT GETS DONE THEY'LL START WORKING ON THE ACTUAL BASE OF THE ROADWAY THE THE INTERCHANGE ITSELF IS A SEPARATE PROJECT NOW WE'VE BROKEN THAT OUT THE ST. JOHN'S HERITAGE PARK WILL HAVE A CONNECTION TO BABCOCK WHICH WAS WHAT THE DESIGN AND THE ORIGINAL INTENT WAS TO HAVE A CONNECTION. THE INTERSECTION ITSELF WHICH SHOULD BE A FULL BLOWN INTERSECTION WITH TURN LANE TRAFFIC SIGNAL THAT THE CITY TOOK IT UPON ITSELF BECAUSE WE NEED TO GET THAT GOING WE DESIGNED IT IN-HOUSE. WE DESIGNED IT IN-HOUSE. I ACTUALLY DESIGNED IT AND THAT RIGHT NOW SITS IN AT BREVARD COUNTY AND WE ARE APOLOGIZE. WE WERE SUPPOSED TO GET THE PERMIT APPLICATION OUT TODAY. WE ARE WE ARE HAND DELIVER IT TOMORROW. SO TOMORROW WE WILL DELIVER THE PLANS THE APPLICATION THE FEE THE STORMWATER ANALYSIS MOT PLAN ALL TO BREVARD COUNTY TO START THE WHAT WE CALL THE RIGHT OF WAY PERMIT APPLICATION PROCESS BUT THE PLANS HAVE BEEN DONE.

THEY'VE HAD EARLY REVIEW OF IT BECAUSE I SUBMITTED TO THE BREVARD COUNTY ENGINEER TWO WEEKS AGO. SO THAT PROCESS IS MOVING ALONG. AND SO LIKE SAYING HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE COMMENTS FROM THE COUNTY HOPEFULLY IN A SHORT PERIOD WE'LL HAVE A PERMIT BECAUSE WE NEED TO HAVE A RIGHT OF WAY PERMIT DO TO THE CONNECTION. SO THAT KIND OF HIGHLIGHTS WHERE WE ARE WITH THE INTERCHANGE AND THE PARKWAY. I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. FRANK WHERE DO WE STAND AS FAR AS THE PENALTIES FOR LATE COMPLETION. WE HAVE AS OUR CONTRACTS HAVE WE HAVE LIQUIDATED DAMAGES. THE TRIGGER IS OF COURSE ONCE YOU GET PAST THE FINAL COMPLETION DATE WHICH WILL BE THE JUNE 19TH MINUS ANY RAIN DAYS EXTENSIONS THAT WE GIVE THEM. ONCE YOU GET PAST THAT POINT WHERE YOU REACH YOUR END OF THE CONSTRUCTION LIQUIDATED DAMAGES START. AND SO HOPEFULLY WITHIN WE GET TO SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION WHICH ABOUT 90 PERCENT WE WILL START HAVING THAT DIALOGUE BY SAYING YOU NEED TO GEAR UP AND GET IT DONE AND GET YOUR PROJECT COMPLETED BEFORE WE INSTIGATE THE LIQUIDATED DAMAGES. BUT TYPICALLY MOST CONTRACTORS TRY TO AVOID THAT. AND SO THEY DID TO PICK IT UP BUT YOU NEVER KNOW. BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE STILL ON SCHEDULE. THE CONSTRUCTION IS THE CONTRACTOR AT THE LAST MINUTE THE LAST 30 DAYS COULD BRING ADDITIONAL MANPOWER RESOURCES AND IF YOU GET IT DONE WITHIN THAT PERIOD YOU CAN. SO IT'S HARD TO SAY YOU KNOW YOU'RE FAILING TO MEET YOUR SCHEDULE. WE COULD SEE THAT YOU'RE BEHIND YOU YOU SEE THAT BUT YOU KNOW A CONTRACT COULD BRING IN RESOURCES OTHER RESOURCES TO DOUBLE HIS CREW. HE COULD ASK FOR EVENING WORK HE COULD ASK FOR WEEKEND WORK THAT PROJECTS WHERE TO MEET THEIR SCHEDULES NOT TO LIQUIDATE DAMAGE THEY ASK FOR THOSE THINGS AND WE SAY YES YOU CAN. OR NO YOU CAN'T. THAT'S WHERE THE DISCUSSION OCCURS. BUT RIGHT NOW THEY STILL HAVE ONE HUNDRED NINE DAYS. QUESTION. SO THE FDOT IS DOING THE INTERCHANGE AND THAT'S FALL 2019 AND THIS YEAR PORTION IS THE ROAD FROM INTERCHANGE TO BABCOCK AND THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE COMPLETED BY JUNE 19. SO YES YOU SEE THIS THERE'S A LOOKS LIKE A GOOD NEXUS WHERE IF WE DO FALL BEHIND AND WE FALL IN THE SAME FALL BECAUSE WE NEED THE INTERCHANGE VICE VERSA THE INTERCHANGE NEEDS THE ROAD SO THEY BOTH HAVE TO OPEN HOPEFULLY SIMULTANEOUSLY OR IN A SHORT TIMEFRAME. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP. WE MEET WITH FDOT. THEY HAVE A BI WEEKLY MEETING AND WE STAY UP TO SPEED THAT FIRST THEIR ORIGINAL DATE WAS TO HAVE IT DONE EARLY THIS YEAR. THIS SLIPPED TO MARCH. THEN IT SLIPPED JUNE. NOW THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT FALL AGAIN AND JUST LIKE OUR CONSTRUCTION YOU SAY WHO'S TO SAY OURS MAY SLIP. SO WE'LL HOPE THAT THE THE END UP AT THE SAME TIME. SO THE ROAD IS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE BUT THEN YOU'RE SAYING THE INTERSECTION PLANS ARE JUST GETTING STARTED. SO IF THE INTERSECTION DESIGN IS DONE WE'VE I'VE ALREADY SUBMITTED THEM TO THE COUNTY. 90 PERCENT PLANS. I'M GOING TO DELIVER THEM TOMORROW 100 PERCENT PLANS TO START TO GET THE PERMIT APPLICATION ONCE THEY GET THE PERMIT APPLICATION AND THEY GIVE US A PERMIT THEN WE CAN ADVERTISE IT OUT AND GET THAT PROJECT MOVING AS A SEPARATE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT. IT'S THE FULL INTERSECTION THE LET'S SAY THE INTERSECTIONS NOT DONE AND YOU HAVE THE ROAD CAN A DRIVER GET FROM THE ROAD TO BABCOCK WITHOUT THIS INTERSECTION PROJECT CORRECT. YOU MAY HAVE TO HAVE A

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WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT TO THE CITY CITY'S PART OF THAT OR ST. JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY WHERE THAT IS THAT JUST FROM BABCOCK TO THE INTERCHANGE OR IS THAT FROM BABCOCK OVER CONNECTING TO THE INTERCHANGE AND THEN CARRYING ON THROUGH OVER TO MICO ROAD THE PROJECT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS JUST FROM BABCOCK TO THE INTERCHANGE WE MOVED TO THE PLANS. CAN YOU WALK US. I MEAN RIGHT NOW I JUST I ALWAYS LIKE TO ADD LIKE DAVID MENTIONED THE PHOTOGRAPHS I TOOK THOSE LAST WEEK SO IT'S LOOKING KIND IF YOU KNOW WE'RE PONDS 2 AND 3 ARE THEY'RE KIND OF LIKE A QUARTER WAYS PAST BABCOCK AND I TOOK A PHOTOGRAPH LOOKING BOTH DIRECTION LOOKING EAST LOOKING WEST SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THE ROAD HAS NOW BEEN FLATTENED OUT ALL THE VEGETATION IS GONE THERE YOU COULD ACTUALLY SEE ONE OF THE PHOTOGRAPHS THERE'S A [INAUDIBLE] STRUCTURE HAS ALREADY INSTALLED. AND SO THE PIPE WORK IN THIS SECTION HAS ALL BEEN DONE ALREADY. AND SO THIS KIND OF GIVES YOU A [INAUDIBLE] OF THE ROADWAYS TO THE POINT WHERE NOW MOST OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS IN. SO THEY'RE GOING TO SOON AFTER THEY GET MOST AND FINISHING THE PIPE WORK THEY'LL START THE SUB BASE MATERIAL WHICH ARE THEN ON THE BASE MATERIAL WHICH IS THEN AFTER THAT WILL BE THE ASPHALT. BUT WE'RE GETTING THERE. AS YOU CAN SEE THIS IS A CLEAR SIGN AS FAR AS YOU YOU SEE IS THE ROADS THERE WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY AND ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS IN. SO THIS KIND OF GIVES YOU THIS IS LAST WE GET TO THE NEXT PHOTOGRAPH WOULD BE SLIDE IT WOULD BE THE ACTUAL INTERSECTION. THIS IS THE ACTUAL INTERSECTION THAT THE CONNECTION. THIS IS THE INTERSECTION WE SUBMITTED TO THE COUNTY AS A 90 PERCENT SET OF PLANS AT THE CITY. WE DESIGNED IT WE SUBMITTED IT THIS SHOWS BOTH LEGS OF BABCOCK AT THE ST.

JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY SO YOU CAN SEE IT HAS ALL THE TURN LANES THAT'S IDENTIFY WHAT THEY HAVE. THIS PDD STUDY FOR BABCOCK ROAD WHICH IS STILL IN THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW WE TOOK THE EARLY INFORMATION WE HAD TO THE CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT FOR THIS INTERSECTION AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SHOWING WE'RE SHOWING THE MAXIMUM FULL PUD STUDY TWO LANES PIPING THE DITCH TRAFFIC SIGNAL THE ULTIMATE FOR THAT INTERSECTION AS THE COUNTY WOULD LIKE TO SEE FOR PERMITTING PROCESS WHETHER THAT WE INSTALL THAT AS A DIFFERENT QUESTION BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY WANTED TO SEE FOR THE PERMITTING AND THAT'S WHAT WE DESIGN RIGHT NOW. SO YOU JUST FLIP THE NEXT SHEET IS THE REVERSE. THE OTHER HALF OF THE INTERSECTION. SO THAT'S THE ACTUAL INTERSECTION. THEY SAY THE ULTIMATE INTERSECTION THAT NEEDS BE OUT THERE. ALL RIGHT. CHAIR RECOGNIZES DAVID. I THINK I UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT WHAT YOU TALK ABOUT THAT BUT I WANT TO SAY I TOOK A TRIP OUT TO BABCOCK SO I WON'T SEE ANYTHING ON BABCOCK THE STREET SOUTH. YOU WOULD SEE THE ROAD CONTINUE DOWN TO [INAUDIBLE]. WELL BABCOCK STREET YES. YES. I'M SAYING I'M AIN'T GONNA SEE THE CONNECTION. YOU WON'T SEE A CONNECTION RIGHT NOW. COULD YOU USE TO SEE A DIRT ACCESS WHERE YOU MAY SEE A SIGN THAT SAYS RANGER CONSTRUCTION. I DON'T THINK I SAW ANYTHING [INAUDIBLE] I MISSED IT. YOU MISSED IT BECAUSE IT IS HARD IF YOU'RE NOT LOOKING FOR BECAUSE THE ONLY REALLY YOU KNOW WITH FP&L POWER LINES YOU PASS UNDER THE FP&L POWER LINES ABOUT A QUARTER MILES HEADING SOUTH. THAT'S WHERE THE ENTRANCES. THAT'S ABOUT THE BEST I COULD TELL YOU THAT IS THIS VERY VISIBLE THE POWER LINES. OH YOU GO PASS IF YOU PASS THAT IS NEXT VISIBLE ONE. IS THIS STILL THE [INAUDIBLE] SYSTEM WHICH IS JUST ANOTHER QUARTER MILES DOWN THE ROAD. THOSE ARE THE TWO ONLY PHYSICAL YOU CAN SEE FROM FROM DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD BEYOND COUNTY DRIVEWAYS OR ADDRESSES. THIS LADY THERE SHE HELPED ME IDENTIFY WHERE I COULD SEE IT BETTER BY GOING DOWN I-95 SOUTH AND LOOKING TO MY RIGHT. YEAH FROM THE INTERCHANGES I MEAN FROM THE I-95 IT'S VERY OBVIOUS THIS IS A BRAND NEW INTERCHANGE. YEAH. YOU CAN'T GET OFF IT RIGHT NOW. OH NO. THAT'S WHERE I'LL SEE IT BUT I DON'T SEE ANYTHING ON BABCOCK STREET. IT'S HARD BUT IF YOU IF YOU KNEW

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JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY IT HAS THE MAPS AND IT SHOWS AN AERIAL AND IT'S IT'S PRETTY. YEAH. OKAY. SAME TIME WE DON'T THAT DRIVEWAY THAT SITE IS A CONSTRUCTION SITE SO IT BELONGS TO THE CONTRACTOR. THE PUBLIC SHOULD NOT BE BACK THERE. THEY CLOSE AT NIGHT BUT IT'S NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC OUR INSPECTOR WHEN WE SEE PEOPLE GO BACK THERE WE ASK THEM. [INAUDIBLE] QUESTION. YOU SAID THE FUNDING IN THE FINAL YEAR PERMITTING THE BUILT FINAL BUILT OUT CONDITION. WHAT. WHAT IS THE SOURCE OF FUNDING AND WHAT COULD BE THE. AND THAT'S A FUTURE COUNCIL CALL YOU COULD SAY. I MEAN THERE'S ALWAYS TIF MONEY THERE'S ALWAYS FUNDS AT THAT THE CITY HAS FOR THIS IS BRAND NEW ROAD. SO IT CONSIDERED IT QUALIFIES UNDER TIF. I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE. I'M NOT SAYING IT'S GONNA BE THAT'S UP THAT'S THE COUNCIL CALLED DECISION. RIGHT NOW WE KNOW WE HAVE FUNDING FOR IT. THE COUNTY HAS IDENTIFIED 1.5 SET ASIDE FOR BABCOCK ROAD IMPROVEMENTS SO THERE'S THAT MONEY TOO. THERE COULD BE OTHER GRANT FUNDING SOURCES I'M JUST SAYING IF THE PROJECT NEEDS TO GO FORWARD AND IF THERE'S A NEED FROM THE CITY STANDPOINT I KNOW THERE'S TIF FUNDS AVAILABLE. BUT AGAIN THAT WILL BE A COUNCIL DECISION NOT A STAFF DECISION. SEEMED LIKE A FAST DECISION THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE. [INAUDIBLE] I THINK MORE THAN THE STOP SIGN I THINK MADE MAYBE THIS [INAUDIBLE] A SIGNAL SYSTEM BUT FOR RIGHT NOW JUST TO MEET OUR COMMITMENTS TO HAVE A T STOP SIGN IS NOT WHAT YOU WANT BUT IS IT WILL IT WORK. IT PROBABLY WILL BUT I THINK YOU WANT SOMETHING BETTER THAN THAT. ANY ADDITIONAL QUICK QUESTIONS? PROCEED WITH THE NEXT. THE LAST

[6. Update on the Malabar Road Drainage by Staff]

FEBRUARY THIS YEAR. WE WENT DOWN AND TOOK A LOOK INTO THE BOXES I PHYSICALLY WENT DOWN TOOK A LOOK INTO THE BOXES. WE STILL HAVE LEAKING BOXES AND WE STILL HAVE JOINTS THAT ARE LEAKING TELLING YOU I WAS IN THE HOLE I WAS IN THE MANHOLE AND SO WE STILL HAVE SEEPAGE. WE STILL HAVE ISSUES OF UNSTABLE MATERIAL COMING INTO THE PIPE SYSTEMS AND SO THE ISSUE ARE THE ARE THE PIPES NEEDING SOME SORT OF REPAIR. YES I HOWEVER I BELIEVE THE PIPES AND THE BOXES HAVE STABILIZED. BASED ON MY DISCUSSIONS WITH VARIOUS VENDORS WHO DO THIS TYPE OF REPAIR WORK AND THERE IS A SPECIALTY. THE ISSUE BACK WHEN THIS THING WAS IDENTIFIED AS BEING A PROBLEM WAS LIKE ANY CONTRACTOR. WELL YOU TAKE ALL THE PIPES YOU NEED TO TAKE ALL THE BOXES AND SPEND 10 TO 20 MILLION DOLLARS TO DO IT ALL. AND THAT'S THE EASIEST QUESTION TO DO IS THAT THE RIGHT QUESTION THE RIGHT ANSWER. I DON'T BELIEVE SO. TODAY

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THEY'RE SEVERAL OUT THERE I KNOW THREE TWO I'VE BEEN TALKING TO THEY HAVE DIFFERENT PRODUCTS DIFFERENT MATERIALS BUT END RESULT IS THE SAME THING. THEY WANT TO BASICALLY RESTRUCTURE THE PIPES WITH A PIPE IN A PIPE AND THEN THEY STABILIZE THOSE PIPES AND BOXES WHERE RIGHT NOW NOW IF THEY'RE SETTLING IT WON'T SETTLE ANYMORE.

AND THE BEST IT WOULD BE TO HAVE THEM ON BOARD FOR AT LEAST A COUPLE OF YEARS AND THEY MAINTAIN IT IN SOME SENSE TO MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T COME BACK LIKE WE DID ON THESE OTHER PROJECTS WE HAD TSI DO IT. COME BACK AND DO IT THEN WE ACTUALLY HAD BILL COME BACK OUT AND DO IT. AND AS OF TODAY 2018 ABOUT I WAS UP IN THAT BOX AND IT'S STILL LEAKING AND I CAN SEE WHERE THEY PATCHED IT BUT THEY JUST GROUT DIDN'T HOLD OR I'M NOT SURE WHY IT IS STILL LEAKING BUT IT'S STILL LEAKING. IT'S LEAKING RIGHT THROUGH THE GROUT SO THAT'S WHERE WE SIT RIGHT NOW WITH THE MALABAR DRAINAGE PROJECT WHERE WE GO WITH THIS. MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO HAVE DIALOGUES WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICES. I THINK THE BEST WOULD BE TO GO OUT WITH MAYBE A RFI RFQ FOR THESE COMPANIES TO SEE WHAT THEY WOULD OFFER US. I ALREADY HAVE A BALLPARK FIGURE IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT FOR COSTS AND THAT'S WHAT I HAVE ABOUT  ABOUT A TWO MILLION DOLLAR ROUGHLY AND THAT'S TO DO THE WHOLE SYSTEM. WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE RANGER AND THE SYSTEM WE HAD EARLY ON WAS BETWEEN 10 MILLION DOLLARS TO RIP OUT THE WHOLE SYSTEM. THIS IS IT WOULD BE TO REPAIR THE ENTIRE SYSTEM WHICH IS ABOUT 22 BOXES AND THAT PIPE SYSTEM SEALED IT. TAKE CARE OF IT MAINTAIN IT IN ABOUT THE 2 MILLION. AGAIN I DON'T HAVE. THESE ARE JUST DISCUSSIONS I'VE HAD WITH THESE VENDORS AND THAT'S KIND OF A GUT FEELING THEY GIVE ME FOR NUMBERS UNTIL YOU GO OUT WITH SOME SORT OF A REAL COST. BUT I THINK THE BEST WOULD BE TO START OFF MAYBE AN RFQ OR RFI. SO THERE'S NO PRICE JUST WHAT'S OUT THERE WHAT YOU'RE INCHES WHAT WOULD YOU GUYS PROVIDE US AND THEN BRING IN THE COSTS AFTERWARDS. BUT THOSE ARE IDEAS I'M THROWING OUT THERE RIGHT NOW JUST TO GET STARTED ON THIS DIFFERENT APPROACH BECAUSE NOT GO OUT WITH A BID AND GIVE YOU A FIXED PRICE AND LET'S FIX THE PIPE AND WE'RE BACK TO WHERE WE ARE LIKE WHAT YOU DID BEFORE WITH SHENANDOAH WITHIN A YEAR YOU STILL HAVE LEAKY PIPES. THE ISSUES WE TOOK WE WANT TO FIX THIS ONE SHOP THAT'S IT AND NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IN THE FUTURE. THE GOOD NEWS IS BECAUSE I BEEN IN THOSE PIPES I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE A REAL STABILIZATION PROBLEM. YOU STILL HAVE LEAKAGE BUT THAT'S NOT AT THE POINT WHERE THOSE PIPES AND THOSE BOXES ARE GOING TO DROP A FOOT ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN. BUT WE STILL NEED TO STABILIZE THEM SO THAT WAY ONCE WE'RE DONE WE COULD REPAVE MALABAR. AND ONCE YOU REPAVE ALL BLACK ASPHALT LEVEL. WE'RE GOOD TO GO. EVERYBODY'S HAPPY BECAUSE NOBODY WANTS TO SEE THE RIPPLES IN THE ROADWAY. CHAIR RECOGNIZES DAVID. ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE AREA ACROSS FROM A REAL ESTATE WESTBOUND SIDE. YEAH. THE MOST YES YES SIR. THE AREA WITH THE MOST DRASTIC UNDULATING AND BOX SHIFTING IS RIGHT THERE. IF YOU LOOK AT EMERSON UP AND DOWN NORTH SORRY EAST AND WEST OF EMERSON.

BY THE DUNKIN DONUTS AND THAT THOSE ARE THE WORST BOXES. THOSE ARE THE WORST AREAS OF SETTLING. IT DOESN'T GET AS BAD BUT THOSE ARE THE THOSE ARE THE VERY VERY DRAMATIC ONES YOU CAN SEE THE ROAD IS STILL AND THE ASPHALT WILL BE PATCHED AND  SARAH BETH CAN YOU FLIP THE NEXT SLIDE. THAT'S THE ACTUAL SLIDE THOSE TWO SLIDES ARE THE ONES THAT BOX AND THOSE LOCATIONS THE ONES RIGHT ACROSS THE DUNKIN DONUTS AND THAT'S

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OH GOOD. HOW LONG DO YOU THINK THEY'RE GOING TO GET ON THIS. WELL AGAIN I'D SAY WITH THE MANY OTHER ITEMS THEY'RE WORKING ON. THIS IS A PRIORITY FOR ME BECAUSE I WAS TAKEN ON THIS TASK WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE. I LIKE TO HOPEFULLY IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS GET THIS RFQ OR RFI READY TO GO SIT DOWN WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE IS IT SOMETHING WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH MAYBE GET EVERYBODY'S BLESSINGS AND THEN WE MOVE IT OUT AND GET OUT IN THE STREETS MAYBE BY THE END OF THIS YEAR HAVE A CONTRACTOR ON BOARD MAYBE DO A TEST OUT HOW TO DO A TEST PILOT FOR ONE OF THESE TO SEE IF IT DOES SATISFY THE NEEDS AND IF THAT'S THE CASE THEN THEN WE DO THE FULL SCALE 22 BOXES ONE MILE AND END IT IS ABOUT A MILE LONG FROM SAN FILIPPO TO THE TERMINUS OF THE EASTERN END WHICH IS ABOUT BAMBOO IT'S ABOUT A MILE OF DUAL PIPES. SO QUITE A LONG DISTANCE. WHAT WAS THE STORMWATER FEE BUDGET LAST YEAR. SO THE TWO MILLION. WHAT PERCENTAGE OF A BUDGET WOULD THIS PROJECT BE. THE STORMWATER FEE HAS ABOUT 10 MILLION DOLLARS. SO TO SAY 20 PERCENT OF THE BUDGET FOR THE YEAR. EXACTLY YEAH. BUT IT IS A I MEAN ON A SMALLER SCALE COMPARED TO THE  THAT AND THAT 2 MILLION WILL BE TO DO THE WHOLE 1 MILE 22 BOXES. MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE MAYBE DOING IN SEGMENTS DEFINITELY DO A PILOT PROJECT JUST TO TEST IT OUT JUST MAKE SURE WE THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO AND SEE WHOEVER THE VENUE WE CHOOSE SEE WHAT KIND OF QUALITY PRODUCTS WE SEE WITHIN THE TEST PERIOD LIKE ANYTHING AND IF COMFORTABLE THEN SCALE IT UP TO THE LARGER PHASE MAYBE PHASE 1 AND PHASE 2 LIKE YOU DID WITH RANGER. BUT I THINK BECAUSE OF THE RESEARCH I'VE DONE SO FAR THESE COMPANIES HAVE ALREADY ESTABLISHED THAT THIS PRODUCT DOES WORK AND THEIR CLIENTS ARE VERY HAPPY. SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE SHOULD BE LOOKING INTO AS A MORE REASONABLE WAY OF TAKING CARE OF A PROBLEM THAN JUST TEARING OUT THE ENTIRE INFRASTRUCTURE PUTTING IT BACK IN. CHAIR RECOGNIZES PHIL WEINBERG. YEAH FRANK. TWO QUESTIONS. NUMBER ONE IS IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO GET SOME OF THESE COMPANIES TO ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY COME OUT AND LOOK AT WHERE THEY DID. WENT INTO THE BOX THEY WENT IN THERE WITH ME. THEY DID GO OUT AND LOOK. SECOND QUESTION IS IS WHAT KIND OF GUARANTEE WILL THEY GIVE US. MOST OF THEM HAVE A ONE TO TWO YEAR GUARANTEE. THE PRODUCT IS TOUGH IF WE USE THEIR PRODUCT AND THEIR METHOD OF INSTALLATION. THEY HAVE SOME OF THESE I'M NOT  SURE IF THEY EXTEND IT BUT THEY HAVE THE GUARANTEE OF THE SYSTEM LASTING 50 YEARS.

I MEAN THAT'S JUST IN THE BROCHURE JUST TALKING TO THE OTHER CLIENTS THEY HAD THEY'RE VERY SATISFIED WITHIN A ONE YEAR TIME. ARE THERE ANY ISSUES THAT COME UP THEY WILL REPAIR IT THEY PATCH IT UP BUT I'VE HEARD FROM THESE COMPANIES WHO DO THIS NEW STYLE INSTALLATIONS. IT'S IT'S VERY IMPRESSIVE. IT'S QUALITY WORK. AND SO FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD SO FAR NO COMPLAINTS. WHICH TECHNIQUES ARE YOU GOING TOWARDS THESE ARE THE THEY SPRAY THE LINING INSTEAD OF JUST DOING IT. THEY HAVE A [INAUDIBLE] CAST. EXACTLY. SO IT'S LIKE A PIPE WITHIN A PIPE WHETHER YOU WANT TO CALL IT A POLYMER LINING UP POLYMER SOCK OR ARE A RESIN STYLE GROUTING IS HOW THEY DO IT IS WITH THIS SPIRAL WITH ITS SPRAY THE ENTIRE PIPE ITSELF WITH THIS. HOW DO THEY STOP THE GROUNDWATER WHILE THEY'RE SPRAYING IT IS THERE A DRY SEASON. THE TWO MIXES NO. YOU TRY TO MINIMIZE AS MUCH OF THE WATER AS YOU CAN AND BECAUSE YOU'RE IN. THE PROBLEM IS YOU KNOW YOU'RE BELOW THE WATER TABLE SO YOU'RE GONNA GET THIS MATERIAL LIKES THE WATER SO THAT THERE IS WATER THERE IT BINDS IT IT'S SOLID BECOMES SOLID FASTER. SO SO THE STUDIES ACTUALLY BETTER HAVE SOME WATER WITH IT'S KIND LIKE CEMENT IF SOME WATER IS WITH IT HELPS

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THIS THESE POLYMERS HAS TO HAVE WATER. SO YOU GIVE IT WATER IT STRENGTHENS AND BECOMES HARDER FASTER. SO THAT'S THE THAT'S THE OVERALL BENEFIT THESE CHEMICALS. AND AGAIN IT'S ALL CHEMISTRY HOW THEY CAME UP WITH THIS NEW STYLE RESINS AND POLYMERS. I JUST KNOW FROM TALKING TO CLIENTS AND CITIES IT DOES WORK AND THEY'RE VERY IMPRESSED. IN TERMS OF HOW THEY DO IT PROFESSIONALLY AND THE END RESULT IS THAT THEY HAVEN'T SEEN ISSUES WITH THEIR PIPES AND BOXES AND WE'RE TALKING THESE BIG PIPES AND BIG BOXES WAY BIGGER THAN OURS. CHAIR RECOGNIZES DAN FISHER. WAS THIS ORIGINALLY A SOIL STABILIZATION PROBLEM OR WAS IT JUST THAT THE THE JOINTS NEVER SEAL PROPERLY OR WHAT. IN THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS I READ THAT CAME OUT WHEN YOU GUYS THAT WHEN THE CITY HAD ISSUES WITH RANGERS IN THOSE EARLY REPORTS IT WAS DONE BY AN OUTSIDE ENGINEERING COMPANY. IT TALKED ABOUT YOU KNOW THE JOINTS WEREN'T DONE CORRECTLY  UNSTABILIZED MATERIAL. THE SOIL WASN'T COMPACTED. SO THERE WAS ARE ALL HISTORY OF OPEN ENDED QUESTIONS. I MEAN THEY DID SPOT TESTS THEY DID SPOT ANALYSIS FROM WHAT I COULD TELL YOU KNOW THOSE ISSUES WERE SOUND BECAUSE WHAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW IS IS WHAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW OUT THERE AS YOU COULD TELL IT IS THAT THE BOXES AND PIPES ARE NOT STABLE AND THAT'S WHY THE ROAD IS SHIFTING NOT AS BAD NOW SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. I DON'T SEE A HUGE CHANGE. I'VE BEEN OUT THERE MONITORING IT. AND THE COMPANIES I'VE TALKED TO THEY AGREED TOO THEY BELIEVE THAT MOST OF THE BOXES AND PIPES HAVE STABILIZED TO A POINT. HOWEVER IT WOULD BE BETTER TO INJECT IT AND REALLY STABILIZE THEM.

ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S ONE METHOD I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE COMPANY WHO WE SELECT CAN'T DO THE INJECTION. AND WITH THESE POLYMERS TO BUILD AROUND THE BOXES STABILIZE BASE MATERIALS THAT BOX IS NOT GOING TO MOVE. I WOULD HATE TO DO THIS AND HAVE THE BOX START TO MOVE AGAIN BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WITH WATER.

WHAT IS IS IS IS FLUID IT FINDS A PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE. SO THERE THEY BOTH COMPANIES HIGHLY ENCOURAGE WE STABILIZE THE BOX AND PIPE. AND SO THE NEXT STEP FOR THIS BOARD IS FOR YOU TO JUST PRESENT WHAT THE RFQ THAT YOU WANT TO DO TO GET THIS CONTRACT. CORRECT. YES SIR. CHAIR RECOGNIZE DAVID. THANK YOU. I DROVE ON THIS ROAD AND THERE'S A DIP IN THE ROAD. YES. YES SIR I JUST WANT YOU I GUESS YOU ARE AWARE OF IT.

OH YES SIR. SARAH BETH. I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THIS IS. IF YOU FLIP THE NEXT PAGE THIS WAS THE OLD MAP THAT WAS DONE BACK IN ALMOST 2010. SO EVEN THOUGH YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE DOTS THOSE ARE ALL THE AREAS THAT THEY HAD DEFICIENCIES IN THE PREVIOUS STUDIES WERE DONE SO YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE A LOT OF LOCATIONS A LOT OF THEM WERE ADDRESSED IN MANY OF THE PAST REPAIR WORKS. BUT AS I MENTIONED BEFORE IN FEBRUARY I WAS IN THE THOSE TWO BOXES AND THEY I'M TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW I PUT MY HAND ON THE GROUT THAT WAS HAD WATER COMING OUT OF IT INPRETTY GOOD QUALITY AND IT WASN'T RAINING. AND SO THERE IS INFILTRATION AND THAT'S JUST THE WATER TABLE COMING IN. IT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE SO DEEP DOWN THERE IS BASICALLY THAT THE WATER TABLE COMING IN IS NOT RAINWATER IT'S NOT IT'S JUST YOU KNOW AS YOU GET CLOSER TOWARD THE LAGOON I HATE TO SAY IT'S MOTHER NATURE YOU'RE GETTING INTO THE WATER TABLE AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS WATER COMING IN FROM THE WATER TABLE. SO YOU'RE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE THAT WATER THERE.

ALWAYS. WHAT'S THE LEGEND OF THE TRIANGLES THERE. I FORGOT THIS CAME UP I THINK 2010 THE TRIANGLES SOME OF THE TRIANGLES SHOWED EFFICIENCY AREA SOME OF THE OTHER SQUARES SHOWED I THINK THE REPAIRS ON THE BOXES I JUST KIND OF. AND THIS ISN'T THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR AS YOU CAN TELL THIS IS A CORRIDOR CENTERED AROUND EMERSON WHICH IS THE MORE FOCAL SIZED AREA OF THE PROBLEMS THEY HAD. BUT WE'VE HAD OUR FIELD GUYS GO OUT AND IT'S IT'S ALL WAY TO SAN FILIPPO WHERE THE LAST FEW BOXES ARE AND TO THIS POINT. THIS DOES SHOW THE MOST WESTERN TERMINUS OF THE PROJECT ITSELF. BUT THE WORST AREAS IS RIGHT BY EMERSON. MR. CHAIRMAN CHAIR RECOGNIZES THOMAS GAUME. YEAH. YOU YOU HAVE A PRICE HERE FOR THIS THIS IS FOR THE STORMWATER PIECE WOULD BE 2 MILLION DOLLARS. AND THEN ONCE THOSE BOXES AND PIPES ARE STABILIZED WHAT DO YOU ESTIMATE THE COST WOULD BE. I MEAN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SIX LANE MILES OF ROAD OVER TOP OF THAT WE HAVE TO GO BACK IN AND REBUILD THE ROAD BASE ON TOP OF THAT IN ORDER TO SMOOTH IT OUT. OR IS IT A SIMPLE REPAVE ON MALABAR ROAD. EXACTLY. THIS SECTION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS SLIGHTLY UNDER A MILE SLIGHTLY UNDER A MILE. IT IS SIX

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THIS IS ALMOST AKIN TO A SINKHOLE. YOU'RE RIGHT. IT'S A VERY SERIOUS ISSUE. AND THEN I'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. I THINK THE NEXT STEP AS THE CHAIR PERSON MENTIONED THAT I WOULD BRING SOMETHING BACK HOPEFULLY AND THEN NOT THE NEXT MEETING BUT THE FOLLOWING MEETING I HAVE A DRAFT. THE RFI OR RFQ READY FOR YOU GUYS TO REVIEW AND HAVE YOUR INPUT IN TERMS OF ANY ADVICE ANY TECHNICAL INFORMATION YOU WANT TO SEE IN ADDITION TO THIS IF YOU WANT MAYBE HAVE ONE OF THE VENDORS COME AND PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO THE BOARD IF YOU LIKE. THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD THROW OUT THERE. I KNOW THEY'VE BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE BUT AGAIN THEY'RE NOT LOCAL. THEY'RE NOT LOCAL. IS THIS ONLY WESTBOUND OR BOTH? BOTH.

THE PILOT PROJECT WAS THAT'S MY JUST. MY GUT FEEL WOULD BE THAT EMERSON AREA.

THAT SECTION RIGHT THERE THAT EMERSON THOSE BOXES EAST AND WEST OF EMERSON. THOSE ARE THE EVERYDAY TALKED TO AND LIKE I MENTIONED I WAS IN THOSE BOXES HAD A SEVERE AND I KNOW FOR SURE THOSE TWO BOXES ARE DEFINITELY LEAKING. I BELIEVE THAT SHOULD BE THE PILOT PROJECT. WE COULD TAKE CARE OF THOSE AND THEY COULD DEMONSTRATE TO US THOSE COULD BE TAKEN CARE OF BY STABILIZING AND PIPE LINING AND THEN WE JUST CONTINUE ON AND PHASE THAT OUT TO THE REST OF THE PIPE SYSTEM SO MAYBE THE FIRST YEAR WE DO A PILOT IN THE SECOND YEAR WE CONTINUE ON AND DO A FULL BLOWN MAYBE A PHASE ONE OR PHASE TWO BUT I THINK THAT'S THE SMART WAY TO GO AGAIN. STILL NEW TECHNOLOGY EVEN THOUGH THE CITIES EVERYBODY SAYS IT'S GREAT GREAT GREAT. STILL NEW TECHNOLOGY. I HATE TO BE THE BETA TEST BUT EVERYBODY HAS TO BE A BETA TEST EVENTUALLY BUT I'M COMFORTABLE TO AT LEAST START THIS PROJECT. IT WON'T BE THE FIRST PILOT PROJECT MAYBE YOU KNOW HALF A MILLION OR 200,000. I THINK THERE'S A LOT SMARTER INVESTMENT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT. WHATEVER HAPPENS WE'RE STILL GOING TO STABILIZE AND REPAIR THAT AREA OF THOSE BOXES AND PIPES. THAT'S A BETTER APPROACH THAN RIP OUT THAT BOX.  ORIGINALLY WHEN I CAME ON BOARD WITH PREVIOUS PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR I WAS WILLING TO TEAR OUT. I HAD A CONTRACTOR READY TO GO TO TAKE OUT A BOX AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE MATERIAL. TAKE A LOOK AT THE PIPE SYSTEM BUT THAT WOULD HAVE I HAD AN ESTIMATE WAS LIKE 200-300 THOUSAND DOLLARS. JUST TAKE OUT ONE BOX AND ASSOCIATED PIPES ATTACHED TO IT. IF YOU START DOING THE MATH IT'S WAY MORE THAN 10 MILLION DOLLARS. AND SO THAT'S WHERE I SAID THIS IS NOT COST AFFORDABLE IN THE LONG SCALE. [INAUDIBLE] SHUT DOWN TO TEAR OUT THAT ONE BOX. I'M GOT TO TAKE OUT TWO LANES OF MALABAR FOR A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME AND THESE BOXES ARE HUGE. SO THAT STARTED ME THINKING THAT THIS IS NOT A FEASIBLE OPTION THE FEASIBLE OPTION IS WHAT CAN WE DO AND REPAIR WHAT WE HAVE. WHICH BIG CITIES THAT'S WHAT THEY DO. BIG CITIES BOSTON BIG CITIES THEY HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE. SAME SITUATION WE HAVE BUT THEY'RE RUNNING MAJOR HIGHWAYS THAT THEY CAN'T SHUT DOWN FACILITIES RAIL SYSTEM LIGHT RAIL SYSTEMS IN THE UNDERGROUND SUBWAYS HAVE THE SAME. THEY CAN'T SHUT THEIR FACILITIES DOWN.

THEY HAVE TO REPAIR IT. THEY USE THESE TYPE OF NEW TECHNOLOGIES. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO PROMOTE. MAYBE IN THE NEXT COMING MEETING BUT FOLLOWING MEETING PROVIDE YOU WITH AN RFI RFQ AND THEN WE CAN MOVE HIM THERE. AND IF YOU'D LIKE MAYBE ASK ONE OF THOSE THE TWO THAT I'M TALKING TO MAYBE COME AND GIVE A SLIDE PRESENTATION. FRANK ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY OTHER PROJECTS IN THE CITY WHERE THIS TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY WOULD BE A COST SAVINGS DOWN THE ROAD. UTILITIES THEY DO SMALLER PIPES AS WELL. THEY'RE MADE LARGER FOR THE LARGER PIPES BECAUSE THE TECHNOLOGY IS BASED ON RUNNING THE EQUIPMENT INSIDE A PIPE.

RIGHT. AND SO IT WOULD BE THE LARGER PIPE SYSTEM. BUT I'M ASSUMING ESPECIALLY IF IT'S A THREE FOOT DIAMETER SEWER LINE OR LARGER WATER LINE. THIS IS STILL ON. WE HAVE AN OLD INFRASTRUCTURE AREA SO WE HAVE AREAS THAT HAVE LARGER PIPES THAT NEED SOME SORT OF A REPAIR WORK. THIS MAY BE THE BEST WAY TO GO. IT WAS AROUND 30 YEARS AGO WE WOULDN'T BE IN THIS BOAT. AGAIN, THIRTY YEARS AGO THIS TECHNOLOGY WASN'T AROUND. AND SO I'M THIS RIGHT NOW. I'M HAPPY TO SEE THAT THE TECHNOLOGY IS CAUGHT UP THAT WE HAVE TOOLS THAT WE CAN USE. THAT'S THE FINAL AGENDA ITEM I'D LIKE

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* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.