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AT THIS TIME I'D LIKE TO CALL THE WORKSHOP TO ORDER ROLL CALL, TERESE. MAYOR CAPOTE. HERE. DEPUTY

[CALL TO ORDER:]

MAYOR ANDERSON. COUNCILMAN SANTIAGO. HERE.  COUNCILMAN BAILEY. HERE. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.  HERE. MRS. MORRELL. HERE. MR. [INAUDIBLE]. HERE. MY QUESTION TO COUNCIL BEFORE I MOVE I'LL MOVE ON TO THE BUSINESS. WOULD YOU LIKE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS IN THE FRONT OR IN THE BACK. WE USUALLY LEAVE IT FOR AFTER THE DISCUSSION SO PEOPLE COULD SAY WHAT THEY NEED TO SAY. OK WE'LL LEAVE IT TO THE END LIKE WE'VE BEEN DOING ALONG. MOVING TO 

[1. Discussion of proposed ordinance for civil penalties for the possession of cannabis (marijuana) for amounts under twenty (20) grams and possession of drug paraphernalia. (Councilman Johnson)]

NEW BUSINESS DISCUSSION OF PROPOSED ORDINANCE FOR CIVIL PENALTIES FOR THE POSSESSION OF CANNABIS MARIJUANA FOR THE AMOUNTS UNDER 20 GRAMS AND POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. THANK YOU MAYOR. FIRST I'D LIKE TO THANK COUNCIL FOR GIVEN US FOR CONSIDERING THE WORKSHOP THAT WE ARE CAUGHT UP IN A LOT OF WORKSHOPS THIS TIME OF THE YEAR. SO I DO APPRECIATE THAT OPPORTUNITY. I'VE ALREADY SPOKEN ABOUT THE PURPOSE OF PUTTING THIS ORDINANCE TOGETHER. THERE'S BEEN OVER 20 APPROXIMATELY 20 CITIES OR COUNTIES WITHIN THE STATE OF FLORIDA ALONE THAT HAVE MADE THIS MOTION OF ENACTING AN ORDINANCE SIMILAR TO THIS. AND I WAS JUST GOING TO GO BRIEFLY TO GIVE A BRIEF HISTORY LESSON ON MARIJUANA. BACK IN 1970 THE CONGRESS PASSED A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE ACT AND IT CREATED A DIFFERENT SERIES OF SCHEDULES WHERE MARIJUANA WAS SCHEDULE 1 ALONG WITH COCAINE AND OTHER THINGS. AT THE TIME PRESIDENT NIXON WAS IN CHARGE AND HE PUT TOGETHER A COMMITTEE KNOWN AS THE  SHAFER COMMISSION REPORT WHERE HE APPOINTED 9 OUT OF THE 13 OF HIS OWN PEOPLE TO DO A STUDY TO SHOW HOW NEGATIVELY IMPACTFUL MARIJUANA WOULD BE TO AMERICA. BUT THE STUDY WENT ON TO SHOW THAT THEY ACTUALLY WANTED TO RESCHEDULE MARIJUANA AND NOT ONLY THAT BUT DECRIMINALIZE IT AT A FEDERAL LEVEL. THIS WAS 37 YEARS AGO BUT PRESIDENT NIXON WAS NOT SO UNDERSTANDING ON THAT REPORT. SO HE DIDN'T MAKE THE MOTION AND SHORTLY AFTER YOU KNOW HE WAS OUT OF OFFICE. BUT THIS IS 37 YEARS AGO THAT THIS CONVERSATION WAS HAD AND PEOPLE WHO HE APPOINTED HIMSELF MADE THE MOTION TO RECOMMEND FOR THE PRESIDENT TO DECRIMINALIZE MARIJUANA AND THAT'S 37 YEARS AGO. AND HERE WE ARE. IF WE WAIT FOR THE FEDERAL YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS. ALL RIGHT, I THINK THIS IS US BEING PROACTIVE AND BEING THE CATALYST ALONG WITH OTHER CITIES AND MUNICIPALITIES IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA ON PROTECTING OUR CITIZENS AND GIVING THEM A SECOND CHANCE. AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT SOMETIMES IT TAKES SECOND CHANCES SOMETIMES IT TAKES THIRD CHANCES ARE WE JUST GONNA LET THINGS FLY BY OR WE ARE WE SAYING WE WANT PEOPLE TO SMOKE. NO WE'RE NOT. BUT WE DO BELIEVE WE SHOULD BE A CITY OF SECOND CHANCES. I THINK THIS IS A GOOD WAY IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. I'VE ALREADY GOT FEEDBACK FROM THE STATE ATTORNEY PHIL ARCHER WHO SUPPORTS THIS CIVIL CITATION AS IT IS RIGHT NOW. BUT I'LL I'LL ELABORATE LATER IF EVERYBODY NEEDS ME TOO. AT THIS TIME I GUESS THE CITY ATTORNEY OR WHO WOULD SPEAK MAYOR. IS THERE ANYTHING NEED TO BE ADDED FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY OR CITY MANAGER? STAFFS HERE  TO PRESENT ANY INFORMATION AS PROVIDED TO COUNCIL ON THE POWER POINT IF IT NEED TO.

HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. YEAH, IF ANY QUESTIONS FROM CITY MANAGER SIDE. OKAY. I'M IN FRONT OF ME I ALSO HAVE A MEMORANDUM BECAUSE THE DEPUTY MAYOR WASN'T ABLE TO BE HERE TODAY AND HE EXPRESSED IS HIS WORDS ON PAPER. SO JUST COUNCIL HAD TIME TO READ THAT LEGISLATIVE MEMORANDUM? YES SIR. OKAY. OKAY. NOW I WASN'T HERE FOR THE COUNCIL MEETING THEN MOVED THIS TO A WORKSHOP. MY PERSONAL OPINION I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH MOVING TO A CITATION FOR THE SAME REASONS THAT WHEN YOU'RE YOUNG AND I THINK WHEN YOU GET OLDER YOU TEND TO FORGET THAT WHEN YOU'RE YOUNG AND YOU MAKE MISTAKES AND SOMETIMES IS THE INFLUENCE OF A FRIEND, A GIRLFRIEND, A BOYFRIEND AND YOU'RE IN LOVE SOMETIMES AND YOU DO THINGS THAT YOU LOOK 30 YEARS LATER YOU GO OH WHAT WAS I THINKING. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE A BAD PERSON. THAT MEANS YOU JUST MADE A POOR CHOICE AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME IN YOUR LIFE. AND IT HAPPENS WHEN YOU'RE A TEENAGER IT HAPPENS NOW WHAT'S CONSIDERED TEENAGERS NOW IS WITHIN THAT RANGE OF 18 TO 24. IT'S INTERESTING THAT THE STUFF THAT WOULD HAPPEN EARLY ON

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AT 13 TO KIND OF 18 AND WHAT I CALL THE BOOMER GENERATION NOW IS MORE IN THE 18 TO 24. AND I DON'T THINK THAT KIDS SHOULD BE PENALIZED BECAUSE THERE IS A STIGMATISM JUST SIMILAR TO KIDS THAT ARE IN SCHOOL AND HAVE DIFFICULTY READING AND THEN THEY ARE PUT ASIDE INTO A SPECIAL READING CLASS AND NOW THEY HAVE THAT STIGMATISM THAT THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH THEIR FRIENDS AND THE BULLYING THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN  VERBALLY ABOUT HOW SMART YOU ARE OR HOW NOT SMART YOU REALLY ARE. SO YOU KIND OF GET INTO THAT BATTLE AND YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT LIFE IS SOMETIMES IT'S NOT FAIR TO EVERYBODY BUT YOU HAVE TO FIGHT THROUGH IT. AND I BELIEVE THAT MENTORSHIP GETS YOU THERE AND SOME PEOPLE NEED TO ENGAGE IN MENTORSHIP BECAUSE MY EXPERIENCE FROM WORKING WITH KIDS AT EASTERN FLORIDA STATE COLLEGE AND TEACHING THEM STRATEGY FOR SUCCESS IN COLLEGE AND IN LIFE I WOULD ALWAYS INTERJECT MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCES TO THE CLASS BECAUSE I NEEDED FOR THEM TO UNDERSTAND NOT TO GET SO CAUGHT UP IN MY TITLE WHETHER IT WAS COUNCILMAN OR MAYOR BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE HAVE THAT TENDENCY TO GET CAUGHT UP IN THE TITLE AND THINK THAT YOU KIND OF GREW UP WITH A SILVER SPOON IN YOUR MOUTH. JUST BECAUSE THEY SEE YOU IN A SUIT AND YOU HAVE A TITLE. THEY THINK THAT YOU'VE NEVER BEEN THROUGH ANYTHING THAT YOU HAD IT PERFECT YOU HAD THE PERFECT LIFE AND THAT'S FAR FROM THE TRUTH. FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE NOT ONLY JUST PEOPLE OF COLOR BROWN OR THEY CALL BLACK BROWN OR EVEN WHITE. OK. I'VE SEEN DIFFERENT ETHNICITIES GO THROUGH THIS. SOME UNFAIRNESS. DECISIONS COULD HAVE BEEN MADE DIFFERENTLY. AND MAYBE THAT CHILD COULD HAVE TURNED OUT DIFFERENTLY AND IT'S ALL ABOUT CHOICES. AND I THINK SOMETIMES THE ADULTS WE NEED TO HELP OUT A LITTLE ESPECIALLY IN TODAY'S ENVIRONMENT, TODAY'S ENVIRONMENT IS IT'S INTERESTING. SO I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO GO A LITTLE EXTRA MILE JUST LIKE DEPUTY MAYOR STATES. THIS IS NOT I WANT PEOPLE TO GET THIS AS THEY'RE HEARING THIS IN THE AIRWAVES AND YOUR MAYOR IS SPEAKING THIS DOESN'T CONDONE THE USAGE OF IT. IT DOESN'T CONDONE THE SALE OF IT. THAT'S NOT WHAT THE CITY IS ABOUT. THIS IS JUST LET'S PAUSE. DO WE REALLY WANT TO DO THIS. DO WE WANT TO GO IN THIS DIRECTION AND SOMETIMES IN THIS MANNER SINCE WE ARE THE ELECTED BODY JUST LIKE THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THIS CONGRESS AND THE SENATE THE BUCK REALLY STOPS STOPS WITH US BUT WE GIVE THAT AUTHORITY TO OUR POLICE OFFICERS. MAYBE WE NEED TO STEP UP AND SAY YOU KNOW WHAT. LET'S RETHINK THIS. I THINK THAT IS WE CAN MAKE THIS DECISION AND  BE A GOOD STEWARD FOR [INAUDIBLE] ELECTED POSITION. AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING AGAINST OUR POLICE OFFICERS JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE GREAT POLICE OFFICERS IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY. BUT SOMETIMES THE ELECTED OFFICIALS NEED TO TAKE SOME RESPONSIBILITY SOME EARNEST. THIS IS A POINT IN TIME THAT YOU COULD TAKE THAT EARNEST AND SAY HEY YOU KNOW I LOOK AT IT THIS WAY I LOOK AT IT THIS WAY AND WE COULD AGREE TO DISAGREE. THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF SITTING UP HERE. WE COULD AGREE TO DISAGREE AND THIS COULD GO 3-2, 4-1, 5-0 OR GO OPPOSITE IT MAY NOT PASS AND IT'S OK BUT DOWN THE ROAD I KNOW THIS IS GOING TO COME BACK AGAIN BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE A NEW COUNCIL. NEW MAYOR AND THEY MAY LOOK AT IT THIS TOTALLY DIFFERENT AND EVERYTHING IT'S TIME. IN 1971 YOU SAID COUNCILMAN. 1971.  I WASN'T AROUND FOR 1971 AND I REMEMBER NIXON. SO I GUESS ABOUT THE ONLY ONE UP HERE THAT COULD KIND OF SAY THAT. RIGHT.

SO AT THE AT THE END OF THE DAY THOSE WERE DIFFERENT TIMES THE VIEWS OF THE WORLD WERE DIFFERENT THE WORLD WE LIVE ON TODAY IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT WORLD. THINGS THAT WERE UNACCEPTABLE BACK IN THE 70S ARE MORE ACCEPTABLE NOW. AND ALL THOSE TABOOS AND DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE AS YOUNG PEOPLE THEN WERE AFRAID OF TODAY IS JUST LIKE BUYING A PEPSI OR COKE. IT'S INTERESTING TO ME SOMETIMES HOW REMOVE

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IN 71 I WAS AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IN THE FOURTH GRADE. FOR OTHER PEOPLES THEY WERE IN VIETNAM AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND IT BUT I WAS THERE DURING THAT TIME PERIOD. SO I UNDERSTAND. I GUESS SINCE STAFF IS SAYING IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COUNCIL, YOU COULD ASK WHETHER LEGAL OR FROM OUR CITY MANAGER. BUT THAT'S MY TWO CENTS BECAUSE I WASN'T HERE FOR THE FIRST DISCUSSION SO I JUST WANTED  TO INTERJECT THAT PART. YEAH I WAS HOPING IF MR. MESSENGER COULD PRESENT THIS POWER POINT TO EVERYONE THAT HE THAT WE HAVE A COPY OF. A PRESENTATION ABOUT THE ORDINANCE KIND OF GO THROUGH IT IN DETAIL IF WE'D LIKE TO HEAR THAT. BASICALLY THE CIVIL CITATION ORDINANCE WAS DRAFTED BY MYSELF ALONG WITH ATTORNEY PATRICIA SMITH [INAUDIBLE] SO THIS FIRST SLIDE DETAILS WHAT THE CURRENT CRIMINAL PENALTIES ARE FOR MARIJUANA POSSESSION AND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THIS ORDINANCE IS THE POSSESSION OF 20 GRAMS OF MARIJUANA OR LESS AND THAT CONSTITUTES A FIRST DEGREE MISDEMEANOR IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. FIRST DEGREE MISDEMEANORS IN A LOT OF WAYS ARE PRETTY STANDARD. IT COMES WITH A PUNISHMENT OF NOT MORE THAN 12 MONTHS IN JAIL OR 12 MONTHS ON PROBATION AND USUALLY A MAXIMUM OF A THOUSAND DOLLAR FINE ALONG WITH A VARIETY OF FINES ALONG WITH A VARIETY OF COURT COSTS WHICH CAN DRIVE THE COST UP OVER A THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR A MARIJUANA POSSESSION. WITH THIS PARTICULAR CRIME IT ALSO INCLUDES IN PROBATION DRUG TESTING DRUG PREVENTION CLASSES COMMUNITY SERVICE AS WELL CAN BE MIXED IN TO ANY PROBATION SENTENCE. THE MOST IMPORTANT DISTINCTION THOUGH BETWEEN POSSESSION OF MARIJUANA AND POSSESSION OF SEVERAL OTHER OR SEVERAL OTHER MISDEMEANORS IS THAT IT WILL AUTOMATICALLY RESULT IN A DRIVER'S LICENSE SUSPENSION OF ONE YEAR. THERE'S NOTHING THAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT THAT IF THE PERSON IS ADJUDICATED GUILTY THAT GOES STRAIGHT OFF TO FLORIDA DRIVER'S LICENSE FOR AN AUTOMATIC SUSPENSION AND AFTER A YEAR IS WHEN YOU CAN BEGIN REALLY PETITIONING TO GET YOUR FULL DRIVER'S LICENSE BACK. IT'S NOTEWORTHY THAT A DRIVER'S LICENSE SUSPENSION FOR A FIRST TIME DUI IS ONLY  SIX MONTHS WHEREAS LIKE I POINTED OUT FOR MARIJUANA IT IS A YEAR AND BACK WHEN I STARTED AS A STATE ATTORNEY MANY YEARS AGO IT WAS ACTUALLY A TWO YEAR DRIVER'S LICENSE SUSPENSION FOR POSSESSION OF MARIJUANA AND THEY'D COME DOWN I THINK AROUND 2013 TO JUST ONE YEAR AND THAT IS AUTOMATIC NO MATTER IF YOU'RE WALKING DOWN THE STREET OR DRIVING A CAR OR IN YOUR HOUSE. THAT DRIVER'S LICENSE SUSPENSION WOULD COME WITH ANY ADJUDICATION OF GUILT. POSSESSION OF PARAPHERNALIA IS ALSO A FIRST DEGREE MISDEMEANOR. THESE ARE ITEMS USED TO INGEST, INJECT, INHALE OR OTHERWISE INTRODUCE A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE INTO THE HUMAN BODY. IT CAN CARRY WITH IT ALL THE PREVIOUSLY LISTED PUNISHMENTS. HOWEVER IT DOES NOT INVOLVE A DRIVER'S LICENSE SUSPENSION WHICH WILL BECOME IMPORTANT IN JUST A FEW MINUTES. AND ALSO WITH DRUG PARAPHERNALIA, IT'S TYPICALLY JUST ONE CHARGE NO MATTER HOW MANY ITEMS OF PARAPHERNALIA THAT PERSON MAY POSSESS. SO IF A PERSON HAS SEVERAL PIPES OR WHAT HAVE YOU THAT WOULD ALL JUST BE ONE CHARGE. [INAUDIBLE] TYPICALLY ENFORCED MARIJUANA LAWS.

NOW THIS IS THIS. THESE NEXT TWO SLIDES ARE HIGHLY DEPENDENT UPON WHERE YOU ARE WHAT THE THEORY OF THE STATE ATTORNEY IS WHICH ASSISTANT STATE ATTORNEY YOU'VE BEEN ASSIGNED YOUR CRIMINAL HISTORY ETC.. I KNOW THAT THIS IS HOW PHIL ARCHER WHO IS THE STATE ATTORNEY FOR OUR COUNTY. THIS IS HOW HIS ATTORNEYS SEEM TO USE THEIR

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DISCRETION IN PROSECUTING MARIJUANA. SO TYPICALLY A FIRST TIME OFFENDER WITH NO  CRIMINAL RECORD AT ALL WILL BE OFFERED WHAT'S CALLED PRETRIAL INTERVENTION.

THAT'S PRETTY UNIVERSAL FOR ALMOST ANY MISDEMEANOR THAT A PERSON MAY COME IN FOR EXCEPT FOR A DUI. WHAT PTI ALLOWS A PERSON TO DO IS TO COMPLETE DRUG CLASSES A DRUG SCREENING SERVICE AND REDUCED FINES AND COURT COSTS AT THE COMPLETION OF THAT PROGRAM THE CHARGES WILL BE DROPPED BY THE STATE ATTORNEY AND AFTER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME THEY CAN BE SEALED OR EXPUNGED FROM A RECORD. IF A PERSON IS NOT OFFERED PTI FOR WHATEVER REASON OR IF THEY'VE HAD PREVIOUS CHARGES WHICH WOULD DISALLOW THEM FROM RECEIVING IT. THE TYPICAL FIRST TIME MARIJUANA ARRESTS WOULD BE OFFERED WITH THE WHAT'S CALLED A WITHHOLD OF ADJUDICATION WITHHOLD OF ADJUDICATION IS NOT A FINDING OF GUILT. BASICALLY WHAT HAPPENS IN THIS SCENARIO IS THAT A PERSON WILL RECEIVE PROBATION ONLY TYPICALLY THIS WILL NOT INVOLVE A DRIVER'S LICENSE SUSPENSION. IT CAN RESULT IN 12 MONTHS OF PROBATION HOWEVER ALONG WITH ALL THOSE CONDITIONS AS WELL AS THE THOUSAND DOLLAR FINE AND COURT COSTS. AN OTHER OPTION AVAILABLE TO ASSISTANT STATE ATTORNEYS IS TO AMEND THE CHARGE. A LOT OF TIMES ONCE A PERSON RECEIVES A FIRST TIME MARIJUANA OR WITHHOLD OF ADJUDICATION THE STATE ATTORNEY WILL THEN AMEND THE CHARGE TO POSSESSION OF PARAPHERNALIA. THIS ISN'T  AN ATTEMPT TO KIND OF SAVE THE PERSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE WHERE THE PERSON WILL BE OFFERED TO PLEAD TO THE AMENDED CHARGE OF POSSESSION OF PARAPHERNALIA WHICH WILL NOT SUSPEND THEIR DRIVER'S LICENSE. AGAIN, THIS IS TYPICALLY OFFERED PERHAPS SOMEONE WAS STILL LIGHT DRIVING OR A LIGHT CRIMINAL HISTORY. WHO DOES NOT HAVE MANY CRIMES ON THEIR RECORD. FINALLY IF A PERSON HAS A LONGER ARREST RECORD OR ELECTS TO GO TO TRIAL AND LOSES THAT TRIAL THEY CAN BE CONVICTED UP TO THE MAXIMUMS AND ADJUDICATION OF LOSING THEIR DRIVER'S LICENSE ETC. NOW AGAIN AS I POINTED OUT THIS IS VERY RANDOM THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF FLORIDA. THIS IS HEAVILY DEPENDENT ON YOUR JUDGE THE STATE ATTORNEY YOUR CRIMINAL HISTORY CETERA. SO THIS ISN'T LIKE AN IRON CLAD SYSTEM OF HOW MOST COURTS OR HOW MOST PEOPLE WILL EXPERIENCE IT BUT IT IS THE WAY THAT BREVARD COUNTY SEEMS TO BE HANDLING IT AND THE STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE OF COURSE YOU COULD COME IN ON THE FIRST TIME AND BE GIVEN AN ADJUDICATION OF GUILT AND LOSE YOUR DRIVER'S LICENSE. THAT'S AN OPTION. I SPOKE WITH PHIL ARCHER WHO IS THE ELECTED STATE ATTORNEY FOR BREVARD COUNTY AND SEMINOLE COUNTY. IT'S THE SAME CIRCUIT. HE WAS ELECTED IN 2012 AND TOOK OFFICE IN 2013. THESE SLIDES THAT I'VE GONE THROUGH HERE DETAIL WHAT IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF HIS ASSISTANT STATE ATTORNEYS WILL USE THEIR DISCRETION TO DO WITH SOMEBODY WITH A LIGHT RECORD. THEY USE A PROSECUTOR PROSECUTORIAL DISCRETION IN HANDLING THIS MISDEMEANOR POSSESSION OF MARIJUANA BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO INCREASE THEIR CASELOAD NOT ONLY WILL CONVICTIONS OF MARIJUANA POSSESSION HIGH UP ASSISTANT STATE ATTORNEYS TO PROSECUTE THE POSSESSION ITSELF. THE BIGGER PROBLEM IN A LOT OF THESE CASES IS THE SUSPENSION OF A DRIVER'S LICENSE. THE SUSPENSION OF A DRIVER'S LICENSE ESPECIALLY IN PLACE IT DOES NOT HAVE A LOT OF PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION CAN BE COMPLETELY CRIPPLING TO A PERSON. THEY WILL LOSE THEIR JOB THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PAY OFF PROBATION FEES AND THEIR PROBATION WILL GET VIOLATED AND THEY'LL GO TO JAIL. I HAVE SEEN THAT HAPPEN MANY TIMES AND IN A PLACE WITHOUT PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION YOU DON'T HAVE A DRIVER'S LICENSE. THIS IS A LOT OF WHAT CAN HAPPEN TO YOU AND THIS IS WHY THE STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WANTS TO REDUCE THESE PENALTY. MR. ARCHER WAS VERY WAS [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] OH I'M SORRY CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? OH NO. OK. I APOLOGIZE. PHIL ARCHER INDICATED THAT HE WAS FULLY IN FAVOR OF SUCH A PROPOSAL THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US WHICH IS THE CIVIL CITATION ORDINANCE BECAUSE IT WILL HELP RELIEVE THE PRESSURE

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ON HIS OFFICE BOTH IN TERMS OF POSSESSION MARIJUANA POSSESSION OF PARAPHERNALIA AS WELL AS DRIVING WHILE LICENSE SUSPENDED. WHAT THE CIVIL CITATION ORDINANCE DOES NOT DO. THE MARIJUANA CIVIL CITATION ORDINANCE AS PROPOSED FOR PALM BAY DOES NOT LEGALIZE MARIJUANA IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM AND THAT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO DO AT THE CITY LEVEL. THAT TAKES STATE LEVEL ACTION AS WELL AS FEDERAL ACTION. THE ORDINANCE DOES NOT TAKE AWAY A POLICE OFFICER'S DISCRETION TO ISSUE AN INDIVIDUAL A CRIMINAL CITATION FOR POSSESSION OF MARIJUANA. POLICE OFFICERS CAN STILL USE THEIR DISCRETION TO ISSUE A CRIMINAL CITATION TICKETS IF OR ARREST THE PERSON IF THEY FEEL THAT THAT IS WARRANTED. THIS ORDINANCE APPLIES NEITHER TO MINORS NOR TO PERSONS WHO ARE POSSESSING MORE THAN 20 GRAMS OF MARIJUANA. MINORS ARE HANDLED UNDER A DIFFERENT STATUTES AND THE 20 GRAMS OF MARIJUANA OR MORE IS A FELONY CHARGE. AND THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY FELONY CHARGES FOR POSSESSION.

THIS DOES NOT ALLOW PEOPLE OR INDIVIDUALS TO WALK AROUND PUBLICLY USING MARIJUANA.

IN FACT IT'S SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO COMBAT THAT AS AN ISSUE. AND LASTLY THIS ORDINANCE DOES NOT APPLY TO PERSONS WHO ARE IN POSSESSION OF OTHER DRUGS COCAINE OR HEROIN OR ANYTHING ELSE ALONG THOSE LINES THOSE PEOPLE WILL NOT GET THE BENEFIT OF THIS ORDINANCE NOR IF THEY ARE COMMITTING OTHER CRIMES BESIDES THE POSSESSION OF MARIJUANA. THOSE PEOPLE WILL NOT BENEFIT FROM THIS ORDINANCE EITHER.

WHAT THE CIVIL CITATION ORDINANCE DOES DO IS THAT IT GIVES THE POLICE OFFICER THE OPTION TO ISSUE A CIVIL CITATION FOR POSSESSION OF 20 GRAMS OR LESS OF MARIJUANA OR OF PARAPHERNALIA. HOW THIS WILL FUNCTION IS THAT IF THE PERSON ELECTS TO HAVE A HEARING THERE WILL BE A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE WHO WILL BE APPOINTED TO CONDUCT THE HEARINGS AND HEAR THEM OUT. AND IT WOULD BE SORT OF LIKE WHAT WE WOULD CALL A BENCH TRIAL WHERE THERE WOULD BE AN ATTORNEY AND THEY WOULD HAVE AN  OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD ON THE ISSUE AS WELL AS THE CITY AND THE OFFICER. IT ALLOWS FOR THREE CIVIL CITATIONS TO BE ORDERED TO BE GIVEN IN A LIFETIME. WITH INCREASING FINES OF $100, $150 AND $200 DOLLARS RESPECTIVELY FOR EACH TICKET ADDITIONALLY THERE IS A FEE FOR ELECTING TO HAVE A HEARING AND THAT HE WILL GO TO ASSIST IN COVERING THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROCEEDING. THAT FEE IS REFUNDED IF THE PERSON PREVAILS AT THE HEARING. AND UNDER THE CURRENT PROPOSITION THE FINES COLLECTED MINUS ANY COST TO IMPLEMENT IT IS GOING TO BE USED FOR DRUG AWARENESS DRUG EDUCATION PROGRAMS AND PREVENTION. THIS IS A LIST AS COMPLETE AS I CAN MAKE IT OF THE OTHER CITIES AND COUNTIES IN FLORIDA WHICH HAVE PUT INTO PLACE SOME FORM OF CIVIL ORDINANCE. THERE'S SEVERAL COUNTIES SUCH AS A [INAUDIBLE] COUNTY, BROWARD COUNTY, MIAMI DADE COUNTY, OSCEOLA COUNTY, PALM BEACH COUNTY, WEST PALM BEACH AND THERE ARE CITIES SUCH AS COCOA BEACH WHICH JUST RECENTLY PASSED THIS ORDINANCE WITHIN THE LAST MONTH I BELIEVE. HALLANDALE BEACH, KEY WEST, MIAMI BEACH, ORLANDO, PORT RICHEY, AND TAMPA. SO I'VE PROVIDED THE DATES IN WHICH PASSING ORDINANCE [INAUDIBLE] PEOPLE PAST IT. AS YOU CAN SEE THEY START AROUND 2014 OR 2015 AND CONTINUE ON FROM THERE.

BENEFITS TO PALM BAY. THIS WOULD INCLUDE CREATE AN ADDITIONAL TOOL FOR PALM BAY POLICE OFFICERS. IT GIVES THEM ADDITIONAL TIME TO FOCUS ON MORE SERIOUS CRIMES AND CRIME PREVENTION RATHER THAN WRAPPING THEM UP IN ISSUES REGARDING THAT OF POSSESSION OF  MARIJUANA POSSESSION OF PARAPHERNALIA. AND IT WOULD ALSO DECREASE THE NUMBER OF UNLICENSED DRIVERS. PREVENTS PEOPLE FROM ENTERING THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM FOR POSSESSION OF MARIJUANA, REDUCES INCIDENTS OF MOTORIST DRIVING WITHOUT A LICENSE IS SUSPENDED, REDUCES THE CASELOAD OF ASSISTANT STATE ATTORNEYS AND ASSISTANT

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PUBLIC DEFENDERS TO FOCUS ON MORE SERIOUS CRIMES AND THE FUNDS WHICH ARE COLLECTED WILL BE USED TO PAY FOR THE PROGRAM ITSELF AND ANYTHING THAT IS ADDITIONAL TO THAT WILL BE USED TO COMBAT YOUTH DRUG ADDICTION AND DRUG ADDICTION WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. SO THAT IS THE PRESENTATION ON THE ORDINANCE. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM FROM THE COUNCIL OR FROM THE PUBLIC. MAYOR. YOU STATED THAT THE FUNDS HERE THAT THE FINES COLLECTED WILL GO TOWARDS DRUG ABUSE AWARENESS EDUCATION PREVENTION PROGRAMS. WHERE IS THAT IN THE ORDINANCE? IS THAT STATED IN THE ORDINANCE? I COULD SPEAK ON THAT. THE ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE PRESENTED IT IS IN SECTION 1 [INAUDIBLE] WHICH STATES  DISPOSITION OF FINES ALL FINES COLLECTED MINUS ADMINISTRATIVE COST SHALL BE USED FOR DRUG ABUSE AWARENESS EDUCATION OR PREVENTION PROGRAMS. AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ONE OR ONE MORE QUESTION AND MY NEXT QUESTION IS ARE THESE DOLLAR AMOUNTS HERE ARE THEY TYPICAL AMONG THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND COUNTIES THAT YOU LISTED HERE? THEY ARE TYPICAL. EVERY COUNTY HAS THEIR OWN AMOUNTS. YOU KNOW THESE THESE FINES ARE NOT SET IN STONE PER SAY THIS IS JUST OF COURSE HOW I'VE HOW WE WENT AND PROPOSED IT. I BELIEVE THESE WERE DRAFTED OFF OF A COMBINATION OF A FEW OTHER COUNTIES AND CITIES RULES THAT I LOOKED AT DOING RESEARCH FOR THIS. SO THOSE WERE PROBABLY IN LINE WITH AT LEAST THE ONES THAT I LOOKED AT WHICH SPECIFICALLY WERE MIAMI BEACH, ORLANDO AND [INAUDIBLE] COUNTY. OTHER COUNTIES MAY CHARGE MORE. I DON'T BELIEVE IN ANY OF THE COUNTIES THAT I'VE LOOKED AT IS IT VERY MUCH HIGHER THAN THIS BUT I OF COURSE CAN'T. I DID NOT LOOK AT EVERY SINGLE COUNTY. MAYOR IF I COULD JUST GET ONE MORE QUESTION. AND WITH REGARDS TO DEPUTY MAYOR ANDERSON'S MEMORANDUM WOULD YOU SAY THAT HIS PROPOSAL WITH REGARDS TO THE AMOUNT OF FINE. DO YOU THINK THAT'S YOU THINK THAT'S THAT'S A LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH OR DO YOU THINK OR WILL YOU JUST LEAVE THAT TO OUR DISCRETION. THE DANGER WITH HIGHER FINES IS THAT EVENTUALLY YOU RUN OVER THE BENEFITS OF THE PERSON GOING INTO COURT AND JUST TAKING A CRIMINAL CITATION WHERE PERHAPS HE CAN JUST GET OUT OF IT WITH A THOUSAND DOLLAR FINE OR EVEN LESS AND JUST WALK INTO COURT GET A WITHHOLD OF ADJUDICATION ON A PARAPHERNALIA CHARGE AND GET OUT FOR MAYBE A THOUSAND DOLLARS AND TAKE THAT INSTEAD OF TAKING A FINE OF A THOUSAND DOLLARS. OH I'M SORRY. THE AUDIENCE WON'T HEAR YOU. I'M SORRY. THAT EVENTUALLY YOU RUN THE RISK OF RUNNING OVER WHAT THE CRIMINAL STATUTES ARE WHERE IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE CHEAPER AND EASIER FOR THE PERSON TO JUST GO TAKE A CRIMINAL CHARGE WHERE HE'S JUST GONNA HAVE TO PAY A THOUSAND DOLLARS AND GET A WITHHOLD OF ADJUDICATION ON A PARAPHERNALIA CHARGE INSTEAD OF TAKING THE CIVIL CITATION. IF HE HAS TO PAY FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS AND DO COMMUNITY SERVICE AND DO DRUG COUNSELING ET CETERA I'M NOT SAYING THAT THESE NUMBERS CAN'T BE RAISED HIGHER. I'M JUST SAYING THAT THAT IS A RISK THAT EVENTUALLY SOMEBODY WOULD JUST CHOOSE TO TAKE A CRIMINAL CHARGE RATHER THAN DO A CIVIL CITATION BECAUSE AT THE END MONEY IS GOING TO BE A DECIDING FACTOR FOR A PERSON. I WOULD THINK IN DECIDING WHETHER OR NOT THEY REALLY WANT TO DO JUST SOMETHING SIMPLE OR TO DO A CIVIL CITATION THAT'S GONNA BE MORE EXPENSIVE. THAT'S ALL I  HAVE MAYOR THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. MAYOR I DID HAVE A QUESTION I DO SEE THAT THERE ARE I GUESS THE BENEFITS LISTED HERE I'M SURE YOU KNOW YOU'RE ASKED TO TO LOOK INTO THIS. THERE IS NO I GUESS TO FIND THE REASONS TO SUPPORT IT BUT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THOSE WHAT DO YOU SEE AS THE DRAWBACKS. I THINK IT'S ONLY FAIR TO ASK WHAT'S THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN.

IS THAT DIRECTED TOWARDS ME? YES SIR. OK. THE PRIMARY DRAWBACK TO THIS IS THAT. COME 

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CLOSER TO THE MIC. IS THAT I'M JUST NOT USED TO SPEAKING THAT CLOSELY TO THE MIC.

IS THAT IN A LOT OF WAYS THE STATE IS NOT READY TO FOLLOW US. I COULD CONSIDER IT UNTIMELY OR EARLY IF THAT'S ONE DRAWBACK IS THAT CURRENTLY THERE IS NO LEGALIZATION BILL IN FRONT OF THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE. THERE IS ONE PENDING FEDERALLY BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT MAY HAPPEN THIS YEAR. YOU MIGHT BE TALKING AS A 2020 ELECTION ISSUE. SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT. SO THE ONLY REAL DRAWBACK TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IS THAT IT PERHAPS IS TOO SOON TO DO IT WOULD BE MY ANSWER. WHAT ABOUT THE COST I'M ALWAYS GONNA BE. YOU'LL LEARN THIS. I KNOW YOU'RE A LITTLE BIT NEWER BUT I'M ALWAYS GONNA ASK HOW MUCH SOMETHING COSTS. SO WHAT ABOUT THE COST FACTOR OF THIS. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DISCUSSED LAST MEETING THAT WAS OF CONCERN WAS WHAT ABOUT THE ENFORCEABILITY OF THE COLLECTIONS. THE COST FACTOR IS THE INTENTION IS TO COVER THE COSTS WITH THE FINES THAT ARE INVOLVED. THAT GOES THROUGH A AS I UNDERSTAND IT A BIDDING PROCESS TO GET A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE TO COME IN AND HEAR THE CASES. AND SO IN TERMS OF THAT THE IDEA WOULD BE THAT THOSE COSTS AND THE STATED THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL SORT OF PAYMENT TO HELP COVER THOSE COSTS AS WELL. ON TOP OF THE HUNDRED, ONE HUNDRED FIFTY, TWO HUNDRED DOLLAR MARK THAT COULD COME IN AS WELL TO COVER ANY EXPENSES THAT WOULD COME FROM THE PROGRAM. DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST? IS THERE ANY ESTIMATE OF HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST. I KNOW WE KNOW HOW MANY CASES WE HAVE. THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS PROVIDED A NUMBER OF ENCOUNTERS BOTH ARREST AND NON ARREST OVER LAST I BELIEVE 15 MONTHS. USING THAT AS A BASIS FOR THE NUMBER CASES DO WE HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF THE ACTUAL COST TONIGHT? AT THIS POINT I DO NOT HAVE AN ACTUAL ESTIMATE BECAUSE A LOT OF IT WOULD DEPEND ON WHAT THE BIDDING WOULD BE IN TERMS OF A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE TO COME IN AND DO IT.

BUT THAT IS SOMETHING WE COULD WORK UP AND PRESENT TO YOU, PRESENT TO COUNCIL HERE AT A LATER TIME. I BELIEVE YOU HAD ANOTHER QUESTION FOR ME. I ASKED ABOUT THAT, OH THE  OTHER QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE ENFORCEABILITY OF COLLECTION THE REVENUE SIDE OF IT BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT THEORETICALLY WE CAN LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS AND PUT SOME THINGS TOGETHER AND WE'RE GOING TO  HAVE DISCUSSION LATER. FORGIVE ME I DON'T WANT TO GIVE TOO MUCH OF A DIALOGUE ON MY SIDE BUT MY QUESTION FOR YOU I GUESS IS JUST REGARDING. WHAT CAN WE DO TO ENFORCE COLLECTIONS. MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE PAST IS THAT IT'S DEBT COLLECTORS BUT IS THERE ANY OTHER MEANS. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DEBT COLLECTORS. THERE'S ALSO THE IDEA THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY JUST RETURN THIS IF THEY FAIL TO PAY. IT COULD BE RETURNED FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT TO DEAL WITH AND PERHAPS TRANSFER IT TO A CRIMINAL CITATION. I BELIEVE WE'RE STILL WORKING ON EXACTLY ON THE  NON-PAYMENT ISSUE. I BELIEVE THERE IS A STATUTE I'M LOOKING FOR IN THE ORDINANCE BUT THERE ARE STILL SOME OPTIONS ON HOW WE WOULD DO THAT IN TERMS OF ENFORCING PAYMENTS. I HAVE A QUESTION TO ADD TO THAT. COUNCILMAN BAILEY I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WILL BE FOR YOU ERIC OR A CITY MANAGER. WOULD THIS BE IT WOULD WE BE ABLE TO TACK THIS ON UTILITIES TO MAKE SURE IT'S PAID? BELIEVE THE ANSWER IS NO. [INAUDIBLE] IT'S TO THE PERSON. NOT TO THE UTILITY AND IF THEY DON'T HAVE UTILITIES OR IT'S NOT IT'S NOT A PROPERTY IT'S A, THEY MAY NOT LIVE AT  THAT ADDRESS THEY CAN BE RENTER. THERE'S NOT REALLY A VEHICLE FOR THAT. THERE IS A PROVISION ABOUT CONCERNING A JUDGMENT LEAN AND GOVERNED BY CHAPTER FIFTY FIVE OF FLORIDA STATUTES. BUT AGAIN THIS IS SOMETHING WE COULD WORK OUT FURTHER ONCE THE ONCE THE ORDINANCE ADVANCES. ONE MORE QUESTION IF I MAY MAYOR. I AM ALSO GOING BACK TO YOUR EARLIER PART OF THE CONVERSATION WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT STATE'S ATTORNEY HERE THE STATE'S ATTORNEY PHIL ARCHER IS IN SUPPORT OF THE LEGISLATION BY WHICH WAS ESSENTIALLY I GUESS WITH THE IDEA THAT IT WOULD SLOW DOWN THE NUMBER OF CITATIONS THAT WENT THROUGH HIS DOOR. I'M JUST CURIOUS DOES CAN'T HE IMPLEMENT POLICY OF HOW HIS ASSISTANCE WILL HANDLE THIS THE SAME WAY  WE'RE DOING HERE. AND DOES HE OR IS THERE ANY OTHER TYPE OF POLICIES BEING IMPLEMENTED BY OTHER STATES ATTORNEYS THAT MIGHT AFFECT THIS. WELL AS TO WHAT PHIL ARCHER CAN DO IF THIS HE'S SENT CASES CRIMINAL CASES FROM PALM BAY PD OR ANY

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OTHER POLICE DEPARTMENT YOU KNOW HE HAS TO MAKE A FILING DECISION ABOUT WHAT TO DO IN TERMS OF THOSE CASES AND WHAT HE'S WHAT HE'S CHOSEN TO DO WITH HIS DISCRETION IS TO TRY TO MOVE THEM THROUGH AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AS EASILY AS POSSIBLE TO GET PEOPLE TO TAKE WITHHOLDS THAT ARE LOW LEVEL WITH FEW CONDITIONS ON THEM AS I UNDERSTAND IT FROM HIS OFFICE. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE'S A FUNCTION NECESSARILY FOR HIM TO SIMPLY IGNORE OR OR DROP THE CASE OF HIS OWN VOLITION YOU KNOW EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM THAT COMES IN I DON'T THINK HE'S IN A POSITION TO DO THAT. I THINK HE'S LOOKING FOR MORE GUIDANCE FROM THE CITIES AS TO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO SPECIFICALLY. AND I'M SORRY BUT THAT WOULD BE A LOT OF THAT WOULD BE  SPECULATION ON MY PART AS MY KNOWLEDGE OF BEING A FORMER ASSISTANT STATE ATTORNEY IN THAT OFFICE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ONE OTHER QUESTION. IF THERE WERE I'M TRYING TO GO BACK TO THE EARLY PART OF THE PRESENTATION IN REGARDS TO THIS. YOU KNOW IF THERE WAS SOME TYPE OF WITHHOLD OR THE PTI DIVERSION PROGRAM THAT IS THAT'S SOMETHING THAT AFFECTS THE INDIVIDUAL'S RECORD? DOES THAT AFFECT THINGS SUCH AS FINANCIAL AID EMPLOYMENT SO FORTH. HOW DOES THAT GET RECORDED. I GUESS THE PTI. SO IF A PERSON RECEIVES A PTI AND THEY SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETE IT ON THE RECORDS LOOK UP ON A BACKGROUND CHECK IT WOULD COME UP HAS DROPPED THE RECORD COME UP AS POSSESSION OF MARIJUANA AND THE DISPOSITION WOULD BE DROPPED. NOW THAT PERSON COULD INDIVIDUALLY PURSUE A ROUTE TO HAVE HIS RECORDS SEALED OR EXPUNGED WITH A PTI. IF YOU RECEIVE A WITHHOLD OF ADJUDICATION THEN YOUR RECORD COMES BACK AS A POSSESSION MARIJUANA ADJUDICATION WITHHELD IS HOW THAT WOULD COME UP AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE CAN LOOK AT. I BELIEVE WITH A WITHHOLD OF ADJUDICATION YOUR RECORD CAN BE SEALED BUT NOT EXPUNGED AFTER A PERIOD OF TIME WHICH MIGHT BE 10 YEARS IF I RECALL CORRECTLY. BUT IT WILL SHOW UP ON YOUR RECORD TO ANYONE WHO CARES TO DO A SEARCH. SO WOULD IT BE TRUE TO SAY THAT THEY WOULD BE CHARGED. THEY WOULD THEY WOULD IF THEY WERE ASKED IF THEY WERE CHARGED WITH THAT WITH DRUG POSSESSION IT HAD TO SAY YES BUT IF THEY WERE ASKED IF THEY ARE CONVICTED WOULD THEY STILL SAY YES FOR THE WITHHOLD? IF THE QUESTION IS SPECIFICALLY HAVE YOU EVER BEEN CONVICTED WITH A WITHHOLD OR A PTI THAT WOULD BE IN NO. SO IT WOULD BE NO ON THAT, BUT YES ON THE  CHARGE. YES, IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN ARRESTED FOR IT OR CHARGED WITH IT. THAT WOULD BE A YES. AND WHAT ABOUT THE CITATION WOULD THAT BE CONSIDERED CHARGE? IT WOULD NOT BE IT WOULD NOT BE A CRIMINAL CHARGE. IT WOULD DEPEND ON HOW THE QUESTION IS WORDED, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT SAYS IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN, IF IT SAYS HAVE YOU EVER BEEN CRIMINALLY CHARGED FOR POSSESSION OF MARIJUANA THEN YOU COULD SAY NO. BUT THAT WOULD DEPEND HEAVILY ON HOW THE QUESTION IS WORDED SPECIFICALLY.

IF IT'S AN OPEN CHARGE. HAVE YOU EVER BEEN CHARGED FOR POSSESSION OF MARIJUANA THEN IT'S KIND OF OPEN FOR DEBATE IT SOUNDS LIKE IT COULD BE OPEN FOR DEBATE. I WOULD PERSONALLY PROBABLY FROM MY OWN SELF WOULD PROBABLY SAY YES WITH AN EXPLANATION OF WHAT HAPPENED. MIC. KNOW YOU'VE GOT TO GET ACCUSTOMED TO IT. I'M SORRY, I'M USED TO  LONGER RANGE MICS I SUPPOSE. YEAH I THINK THAT COULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE DEBATABLE AS TO WHETHER A PERSON WOULD SAY YES OR NO BUT IT WOULD DEPEND PRETTY HEAVILY ON AGAIN THE EXACT WORDING OF THE QUESTION MOST OF THE ONES I'VE EVER SEEN SAY HAVE YOU EVER BEEN CONVICTED OR HAVE YOU EVER BEEN ARRESTED FOR IS USUALLY THE WORDING THAT I SEE ON MOST OF THOSE. AND IF YOU IF THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS AND THE ANSWER WOULD BE NO. JOHNSON, ANYTHING ELSE? WELL CITY MANAGER, DOES THE POLICE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. THEY HAVE THE POWERPOINT THEY CAN PRESENT FOR THE PUBLIC IF YOU'D LIKE. YES PLEASE. OKAY. WHERE IS MY LIEUTENANT. NO. IT'S GONNA BE CHIEF. JOINING US IS INTERIM POLICE CHIEF [INAUDIBLE]. 

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GOOD EVENING MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL. SO, YES IN CONTINUATION OF OUR COUNCIL MEETING FROM LAST TIME WITH THIS ISSUE CAME UP, WE DID GO BACK AND I WANT TO PERSONALLY THANK BOTH LIEUTENANT BLAND AND OUR RECORDS PERSON SUPERVISOR [INAUDIBLE] BECAUSE THEY DID A LOT OF RESEARCH IN PRESENTING THIS DATA FOR YOU THIS EVENING AND REQUIRED QUITE A BIT OF WORK BECAUSE AS YOU CAN IMAGINE THE AMOUNT OF CONTACTS THAT WE HAVE IS THERE'S A PLETHORA OF CONTACTS THAT INVOLVE DRUG POSSESSION. SO WE HAD TO DECIPHER WHAT CONTACTS WERE THAT WHICH CONSTITUTED ONLY POSSESSION OF 20 GRAMS OR LESS OF CANNABIS AND OR PARAPHERNALIA. AND THAT TOOK QUITE A BIT OF TIME. SO WHAT WE WHAT IS IMPORTANT FOR ME TO REPORT THIS EVENING TO YOU IS THAT OUT OF SEVEN HUNDRED AND ELEVEN TOTAL CASES WHERE ONE OF OUR POLICE OFFICERS CAME INTO CONTACT WITH A PERSON IN POSSESSION OF SOLELY 20 GRAMS OF CANNABIS OR LESS AND OR DRUG PARAPHERNALIA THAT OF THOSE TOTAL 711 CASES FOUR HUNDRED AND NINE OUR OFFICERS DECIDED NOT TO MAKE AN ARREST. THAT IS EQUIVALENT TO 58 PERCENT OF THE TIME. OUT OF THOSE TOTAL 711 CASES WHERE OUR DISCRETION WAS DECIDED ON NOT MAKING AN ARREST. THE BALANCE OF THAT THREE HUNDRED AND TWO CASES INDIVIDUALS WERE INDEED CHARGED. I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS FROM THAT BUT THAT WAS THE BASELINE OF OUR FIGURES THAT HOPEFULLY PAINTS A PICTURE TO YOU AS TO WHAT OUR FOLKS ARE DOING IN TERMS OF CHARGING FOLKS WITH THIS PARTICULAR OFFENSE. I WAS JUST. SO FROM THAT WE DID SOME DEMOGRAPHIC BREAKDOWN AS YOU CAN SEE AND IT'S PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY BUT OUT OF THOSE THREE HUNDRED AND TWO SUBJECTS THAT WERE ACTUALLY CHARGED YOU CAN SEE THE BREAKDOWN BOTH BY GENDER AND BY RACE. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU ALL UNDERSTAND THAT THESE NUMBERS ARE REPORTED BY RACE AS WE CAPTURE THEM THROUGH OUR UNIFORM CRIME REPORTING PROCEDURES. SO WHEN YOU SEE WHITE, BLACK, YOU DON'T SEE THINGS LIKE HISPANIC BECAUSE IT'S NOT TECHNICALLY A RACE BUT RATHER AN ETHNICITY. THERE ARE OTHER RACES THAT ARE CAPTURED BUT NONE THAT CAME INTO PLAY HERE. FOR INSTANCE NATIVE AMERICAN AND OR ALASKA NATIVE AMERICAN WE HAD NO SUBJECTS THAT MATCH THAT DESCRIPTION. WE DID HAVE ONE PERSON OF INDIAN DESCENT WHICH WE PUT INTO AN OTHER CATEGORY AND THAT WAS  SOLELY ONE SUBJECT WHICH DOES NOT CHANGE OUR PERCENTAGES. SO GOING ON AT OVER 302 ARRESTS EIGHTY NINE WERE FEMALE. TWO HUNDRED AND THIRTEEN WERE MALE. THE PERCENTAGES ARE AS NOTED THAT IS EQUIVALENT TO 30 PERCENT OF OUR TOTAL ARRESTS WERE MALE AND TWELVE PERCENT FEMALE. OUT OF OUR NON ARRESTS HUNDRED AND  TWENTY FIVE WERE FEMALE. TWO HUNDRED AND EIGHTY FOUR WERE MALE. IF YOU LIKE I CAN READ WHAT IS UP THERE IN TERMS OF OUR ETHNIC BREAKDOWN, RACIAL BREAKDOWN IF YOU'D LIKE. IT'S UP TO YOU. OK SIR. SO TO GO ON IN TERMS OF THE ARRESTS WHITE MALES CONSTITUTED ONE HUNDRED AND SEVENTEEN OUT OF THOSE TOTAL ARRESTS EQUIVALENT TO 39 PERCENT, WHITE FEMALES 65 OR TWENTY ONE PERCENT. BLACK MALES 96 OR 32 PERCENT BLACK FEMALES 24 OR EIGHT PERCENT. AND AS I PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED OTHER MALES WERE ZERO BOTH FOR THE ARREST CATEGORY AND THE NON ARREST CATEGORY. SO IN CONTINUING TO OUR NON ARREST CATEGORY THE WHITE MALES AS YOU ALL CAN SEE THAT WERE NOT ARRESTED OR ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY TWO OR THIRTY SEVEN PERCENT, WHITE FEMALES EIGHTY NINE OR TWENTY TWO PERCENT, BLACK MALES ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY TWO. THIRTY TWO PERCENT AND BLACK FEMALES THIRTY FIVE OR NINE PERCENT. GOING FURTHER WE DID A BREAKDOWN IN TERMS OF AGE DISPARITY AND AS YOU CAN SEE THE BULK OF THE FOLKS THAT WERE BOTH INVOLVED IN THE ARREST AND NON ARRESTS FALL IN BETWEEN THE AGE CATEGORY OF 18 TO 24 AND 25 TO 34, THE ZERO TO 17 OBVIOUSLY IS A LOWER NUMBER THAT INVOLVES THE JUVENILES.

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BUT AS YOU ALL KNOW THE JUVENILE CATEGORY CAN ALSO BE CAPTURED IN TERMS OF OUR  JUVENILE CITATION PROGRAM WHICH HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR SOME TIME AND IT IS AN OPTION TO DIVERT AND ISSUE A CITATION FOR A JUVENILE POSSESSION OF UNDER 20 GRAMS OF CANNABIS. SO OUR NON ARREST GOING FORWARD 18 TO 24 AGAIN CAPTURED A LARGER PORTION OF THE NON ARREST WHICH IS ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY, AGES 25 TO 34, 106. AND IT GOES DOWN FROM THERE. 35 TO 44 78, 45 TO 54, 26 AND 55 AND OVER, 12. THIS AGAIN PRESENTS A VISUAL ON THE VERY SAME DATA THAT I JUST PROVIDED YOU. IT JUST GIVES YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE IT IN A VISUAL FORMAT. PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO DISCUSS ANY ONE OF THESE CHARTS. BUT IT REGURGITATES THE SAME DATA THAT I JUST GAVE YOU. AGAIN FOR US THE IMPORTANT THING THAT PAINTED A PICTURE THAT OUR FOLKS ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING IN TERMS OF DISCRETIONARY ENFORCEMENT WAS THE CHART ON THE LEFT THAT SHOWS YOU THAT OUT OF 711 CASES, 409 OUR DECISION WAS NOT TO EFFECT AN ARREST. IT INVOLVED A JUDICIAL SYSTEM.

AGAIN THIS CAPTURES THE SAME DATA THAT I COVERED EARLIER AND ON THE RIGHT COVERS THE AGE DATA THAT I PRESENTED. SO WE FEEL THAT THIS GIVES YOU A GREAT DEAL OF DATA TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS AND OR HAVE SOME DISCUSSION OR ASK ME ANY PARTICULAR QUESTIONS. YEAH. GO AHEAD AND THEN. JUST A QUICK QUESTION. IN THE CASES THAT DID LEAD TO ARREST. WHAT WERE THE REASONS FOR THOSE CASES LEADING TO ARREST. DO YOU KNOW THAT? NO. THOSE AGAIN WE GO BACK TO DISCRETION. THERE'S SO MANY VARIABLES ARE INVOLVED IN THE INDIVIDUAL DECISION FOR AN OFFICER TO MAKE OR NOT MAKE AN ARREST. OTHER THAN WHAT IS SAID ON A REPORT WHICH IS GENERALLY EITHER PROBABLE CAUSE FACTUAL BASES AND OR A SIMPLE STATEMENT THAT SAYS I CAME INTO CONTACT WITH X SUBJECT FOUND POSSESSION OF LESS THAN 20 GRAMS AND OR PARAPHERNALIA AND SUBMITTED SUCH FOR DESTRUCTION. BESIDE  THAT YOU WON'T CAPTURE THE TANGIBLE OR INTANGIBLES THAT LED AN OFFICER TO INDIVIDUALLY MAKE THAT DISCRETIONARY DECISION. SO IT'S DIFFICULT TO SEE UNLESS I WOULD HAVE ALL THE OFFICERS GIVE US A FULL RUNDOWN OF WHAT THEY WERE THINKING AT THE TIME THEY MADE THAT DECISION. WE ONLY SEE WHAT THEY PRESENT TO US IN WRITING. I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIND HERE IS FOR EXAMPLE THEY DECIDE NOT TO MAKE THE ARREST BECAUSE THEY  FOUND POSSESSION OF OTHER  NARCOTICS OTHER THAN THE MARIJUANA OR THEY FOUND FIREARM OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT THAT MIGHT HAVE LED TO THAT OR IS THIS BASICALLY IS THIS ONLY PERTAINING JUST A POSSESSION OF LESS THAN 20 GRAMS. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION AND WE FIRST THIS FIRST CAME UP AT OUR COUNCIL MEETING WHERE WE DID HAVE INITIALLY THOSE RAW NUMBERS THAT INCLUDED THAT VERY SAME SCENARIO A LOT OF THOSE INVOLVED MULTIPLE CASE MULTIPLE CHARGES AND MULTIPLE DRUGS. SO FROM THAT WE CAME. WE DID A DATA RESEARCH AND THESE ARE FREE STANDING CASES OF ONLY POSSESSION OF LESS THAN 20 GRAMS AND OR PARAPHERNALIA. HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. SO THESE CASES DO NOT HAVE ANY PERIPHERAL OTHER CHARGES THAT ARE APPLICABLE HERE. OK. THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL  I HAVE MAYOR. WELL THAT WAS THE BIG QUESTION AS YOU REMEMBER I WANTED THAT WHEN I ASKED FOR MORE INFORMATION, WANTED A  BREAKDOWN WAS HOW THIS IS AFFECT WHEN THERE'S OTHER THERE'S OTHER  CHARGES THAT ARE PART OF IT. SO THAT THAT QUESTION I THINK BEEN ANSWERED MOSTLY HERE. THAT WAS MY BIG QUESTION MAYOR. I'M FROM THE QUESTION COMING FROM COUNCILMAN SANTIAGO. IF ALL IS EVEN, THAT'S JUST ME THINKING OUT LOUD. IF ALL  IS EVEN AND THIS IS BASED ON THE BASIS OF .20 AND EVERYBODY ACROSS THE BOARD HAD THE SAME SCENARIO AND I GUESS THAT'S WHERE I'M TRYING TO. BECAUSE WHY ISN'T

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IT 100 PERCENT WHAT EXACTLY THAT THAT PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL WAS SENT. WAS IT RECURRENT WAS THIS INDIVIDUAL OR INDIVIDUALS MALE AND FEMALE IS BEEN A RECURRING ISSUE WITH THAT INDIVIDUAL. I GUESS THAT THAT'S BECAUSE ACROSS THE BOARD IF EVERYBODY'S THERE AND THERE'S NO OTHER GUN OR COCAINE OR ANYTHING ELSE IN THAT BROUGHT THE OFFICERS TO THAT DECISION BEING EQUAL, WHY ISN'T 100 PERCENT. I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO. YES SIR.  THAT'S A VALID QUESTION. AND THERE ARE MANY VARIABLES AGAIN THAT LEAD TO AN OFFICER MAKING A DISCRETIONARY DECISION.

AMONG THOSE COULD BE CRIMINAL HISTORY. SEE WHAT THIS DOESN'T SAY IS WHETHER BECAUSE IT'D BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR US TO CAPTURE THAT BECAUSE WE'D HAVE TO RUN EVERYBODY, WHAT THIS DOESN'T SAY IS WHETHER EVERY ONE OF THOSE WHAT WAS IT THE ARREST NUMBERS 302.

RIGHT. WHERE THE VARIABLES WERE KNOWN TO THE OFFICER AT THE TIME THEY MADE THE DECISION TO ARREST. THEY MAY VERY WELL HAVE BEEN RECIDIVISTS. THEY MAY WELL HAVE CRIMINAL HISTORY THAT HAS MARIJUANA POSSESSION IN THE PAST. THEY MAY VERY WELL  BE IN COMPANY OF A JUVENILE WHICH TO THE OFFICER MAY ALSO CHANGE A DISCRETIONARY DECISION. THEY MAY BE NEAR A SCHOOL THAT THE OFFICER MAY FEEL HEY THESE ARE ALL VARIABLES THAT I FEEL AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME BASED ON MY TOTAL CIRCUMSTANCES I MAY CHOOSE TO MAKE AN ARREST. SO HENCE WHY WE CALL IT DISCRETION. THERE ARE VARIABLES THAT ARE SOME ARE TANGIBLE AND SOME ARE INTANGIBLE THAT LEAD TO THAT DECISION. SO THEN BECAUSE I GUESS THE SIMILAR QUESTIONS DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO SINCE THAT IS NOT FULLY DOCUMENTED YOU GOING ON THE BASIS OF THE DISCRETION OF THE OFFICER AND WHAT THEY'RE THINKING AT THE TIME BECAUSE IT'S NOT DOCUMENTED. THIS IS THE REASON THAT I'M MAKING THAT DECISION. THAT'S  NOT AVAILABLE IN A SENSE. NO, IT WON'T CAPTURE THE OFFICERS INTENT. IT WOULDN'T SAY THAT. CORRECT. IT'LL CAPTURE PROBABLE CAUSE. RIGHT. BUT YOU WON'T SEE THE BASIS FOR THEIR DECISION. THAT IS A DECISION THAT THE LAW [INAUDIBLE] IN TERMS OF DISCRETION.

BUT AGAIN WHAT WAS IMPORTANT FOR US TO REPORT IS THAT GIVEN WHAT WE HAVE GOING ON IN OUR SOCIETY IN OUR CITY TODAY THAT OUT OF EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE GOING ON IN TERMS OF PRIORITY, THAT 58 PERCENT OF THE TIMES OUR FOLKS ARE CHOOSING NOT TO MAKE ARRESTS BUT RATHER TO DIVERT TO A NON-CRIMINAL. NON-CRIMINAL. OKAY. AND IF I CAN MAYOR WITH THE 302 ARRESTS, SO [INAUDIBLE]  THOSE ARE NOT NOTICES TO APPEAR CORRECT? THOSE ARE STRICTLY FOR DESTRUCTION. AND THEN OF THE ARRESTS HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE ACTUALLY BEING BOOKED IN SHARPS AND HOW MANY THOSE ARE JUST BEING RELEASED ON THEIR OWN [INAUDIBLE]. WE DON'T HAVE THAT DATA BECAUSE WE'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH EACH ONE. BUT TO US IT REPRESENTS AN ARREST NONETHELESS. SO FOR INSTANCE A NOTICE TO APPEAR AND A PERSON BEING TAKEN INTO CUSTODY AND TRANSPORTED TO SHARPS TO US IS EQUIVALENT AS THE SAME AS AN ARREST. NOW WE COULD IF WE HAD TO DO A HAND SEARCH OF EVERY CHARGING DOCUMENT TO FIND OUT WHETHER EACH PERSON WAS GIVEN WHAT WE CALL AN ROR, RIGHT, RELEASED ON YOUR OWN RECONNAISSANCE AND OR FULL TRANSPORT TO THE COUNTY JAIL. NOW I WOULD TELL YOU THAT BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE THAT NUMBER WILL ALSO SHOW THAT OF THOSE THAT ARE CHARGED YOU WILL SEE IT A NUMBER LEANING TOWARDS A NOTICE TO APPEAR AND THAT'S BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK NEXT. HOW LIKELY IS IT IF IT'S A MISDEMEANOR [INAUDIBLE] STANDING ALONE SITUATIONS. YOU KNOW HOW OFTEN ARE WE ACTUALLY GONNA DRAG THESE PEOPLE TO.

WE CAN GET YOU THAT NUMBER SIR BUT I AM SAFELY TELLING YOU THAT IT WOULD BE A GREAT NUMBER TOWARDS NOTICE TO APPEAR.  I THINK I THINK THAT THAT'S ENOUGH. I WANTED TO  MAKE SURE WHICH WAY WE WERE LEANING ON THAT. IF I MAY. IF THE CIVIL CITATION WERE TO PASS WOULD THAT CHANGE AND I KNOW YOU CAN'T REALLY GETTING AHEAD. YOU KNOW HEADS UP YOU'RE POLICE OFFICERS. BUT BUT WOULD THAT POSSIBLY CHANGE THEIR DISCRETION WITH REGARDS TO THE 302 ARREST. YOU KNOW HYPOTHETICALLY. OR OR DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD YOU KNOW THEY WOULD STILL MAKE THE SAME DECISION. IN OTHER WORD WITH THIS CIVIL CITATION CHANGE AND ANYTHING IN THE OFFICER'S MIND WITH  REGARDS TO USING YOUR DISCRETION. BECAUSE THEY CAN STILL USE THEIR DISCRETION. EVEN  WITH THIS ORDINANCE. YES. RIGHT. SO SO I MEAN WOULD YOU THINK THERE WOULD BE A CHANGE IN YOUR OFFICERS USE OF THEIR DISCRETION BECAUSE. IT'S DIFFICULT TO

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FORECAST WHAT LEGISLATION ACTUALLY DOES TO OFFICERS ACTIONS SUBSEQUENTLY. BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT BASED ON OUR JUVENILE CITATION PROGRAM IT ADDED A WELL WE KEEP HEARING A TOOL RIGHT. IT ADDED A TOOL FOR OUR OFFICERS TO MAKE A JUDGMENT CALL BASED ON THE SAME DISCRETIONARY PRINCIPLES IT JUST ADDED YET ANOTHER AVENUE FOR THEM TO DO SO. I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT IT WILL DO TO THOSE NUMBERS BUT I CAN SAFELY TELL YOU THAT YOU WILL STILL SEE A HIGHER NON ARREST NUMBER. THE ONLY THING THAT YOU'LL SEE THEN IS A FURTHER BREAKDOWN ONTO THAT NON ARREST NUMBER WHAT WAS DIVERTED TO CIVIL CITATION AND WHAT WAS PUT IN FOR DESTRUCTION. DOES THAT MAKES SENSE? MAKES SENSE. JUST I GUESS JUST TO LAY IT ON THE TABLE I THINK WHAT WE HEARD THIS HAS BEEN ONE OF MY QUESTIONS IS AND I KNOW YOU SAY YOU CAN'T PREDICT IT ACCURATELY BUT IS THIS GOING TO DISPLACE THE 58 PERCENT OR IS THIS GOING TO DISPLACE THE 42 PERCENT OF ARREST. IN OTHER WORDS ARE WE GOING TO SEE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMPLETELY LET GO NOW GET CITATIONS, CIVIL CITATIONS MORE SO THAN PEOPLE WHO HAVE ARREST BEING LET GO WITH A CIVIL CITATION OTHER WORDS IT COULD EVEN BE THIS ACTUALLY COULD MAKE SOMETHING MORE HEAVY HANDED. BUT I FORGIVE ME I'M REALLY I T'S A LOADED QUESTION. I GUESS I'M REALLY MAKING A STATEMENT BUT THAT'S JUST KIND OF THAT THAT QUESTION OF IS THIS GOING TO ACTUALLY MAKE THE LAW STRONGER ON FOLKS WHO ARE POSSESSING OR IS IT GOING TO MAKE IT WEAKER. IS IT GOING TO  ALLOW MORE PEOPLE OFF OR IS IT GOING TO ALLOW MORE PEOPLE ACTUALLY ARE GETTING OFF ACTUALLY GET A CITATION WHICH IS ACTUALLY MAKING IT HARDER. WELL SIR I THINK THAT WOULD REQUIRE A PERIOD OF EXPERIMENTATION WITH THE LEGISLATION SO THAT WE CAN EXTRACT SOME DATA TO BE ABLE TO BETTER ANSWER THAT QUESTION. BUT AGAIN I GO BACK TO THE FACT THAT IT IS A TOOL. IT IS ANOTHER IT IS ANOTHER THING THAT WE CAN EMPLOY WITH OUR OFFICERS THAT IN MAKING THEIR DECISIONS TO SERVE THIS PUBLIC WHEN THEY COME INTO CONTACT WITH FOLKS THAT ARE IN POSSESSION. IT'S JUST ANOTHER OPTION. AND JUST ONE LAST QUESTION I SAID I WAS GOING TO ASK LAST TIMES SO I'M GOING TO ASK IT. WE HAVE PHIL ARCHER ON THE RECORD IN SUPPORT OF IT AS CHIEF, DO YOU SUPPORT THE INTENT HERE OR NOT THE INTENT, DO YOU SUPPORT USING CIVIL CITATIONS. WELL, AS YOU KNOW WE'VE DISCUSSED OUR ROLE AS POLICE OFFICERS TO BE ALWAYS ALWAYS APOLITICAL. SO BUT I WILL GIVE YOU AN ANSWER IN TERMS OF WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO OUR ORGANIZATION AND THAT IS THE IMPACT OF ANY LEGISLATION ON OUR  RESOURCES AND OUR PEOPLE BECAUSE THAT IS THAT IS CRUCIALLY IMPORTANT TO ME AND US.

AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT BASED ON THE SPIRIT OF WHAT IS PROPOSED, THIS PROPOSED CIVIL CITATION WILL NOT HAVE AN IMPACT ON OUR RESOURCES. WE'RE GOING TO COME IN CONTACT WITH 711 PEOPLE. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE THE SAME DECISIONS. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SPEND THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME EITHER ARRESTING OR NOT ARRESTING AND TO THOSE THAT IF WE DIVERT, WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME LOGGING THE EVIDENCE, SEIZING THE PERSON IF NEED BE FOR THE TIME BEING WHILE THE INVESTIGATION IS ONGOING AND WRITING A REPORT. ALL STUFF THAT WE DO TODAY. NOW I DON'T WANT TO CIRCUMVENT YOUR QUESTION SIR AT ALL BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DELINEATE OURSELVES FROM THE LEGISLATION PORTION AND THE REASONING BEHIND IT WHICH WITH ALL DUE RESPECT IS THIS BODY'S JOB TO DO WHILE ALLOWING THE POLICE ENTITY TO PROVIDE YOU THE FACTS AND REMAIN COMPLETELY OBJECTIVE IN TERMS OF OUR ENFORCEMENT PRINCIPLES.

RIGHT. I MEAN THAT TO ME YOU ANSWERED IT PERFECTLY BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT THE ELECTED BODY SETS THE POLICIES. YES SIR. AND YOU EXECUTE THEM. YES. AND I THINK THAT YOU'VE GOT TO GIVE THEM THAT RESPECT AND NOT BOX THEM IN LIKE THAT BECAUSE HE DOES WHAT WE SAY WHAT WE IMPLEMENT. SO I THINK IS BEST SERVED THAT WAY. PHIL ARCHER IS IN A DIFFERENT POSITION THAN INTERIM CHIEF. SO I THINK THAT PHIL HAS THAT LUXURY TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT AFFECTS HIS OFFICE. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY OUR CHIEF HAS TO GO ACCORDING TO WHAT WE SAY. ALL RIGHT. NO I  AM SURE,  I KNOW THAT THEY'LL IMPLEMENT IT FULLY. BUT I STILL THINK IT'S A FAIR QUESTION TO ASK. THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE COME IN CONTACT THE CHIEF SAID HIS AND HIS PEOPLE COME IN CONTACT WITH IT AND IT'S STILL SAME ANALOGY WITH PHIL  ARCHER MAKING A STATEMENT HE'S MAKING A STATEMENT TO THE STATE LEGISLATURE. HIS JOB IS TO ENFORCE THOSE LAWS. HE'S NOT A LEGISLATOR WE ARE STATE  LEGISLATURE. THEY'RE LEGISLATORS. THEY MAKE THE LAWS WE CREATE THE LAWS LOCALLY.

SO YOU ARE. IT'S STILL ANALOGOUS TO THE  SAME THING. HE CAN GO TELL TALLAHASSEE THIS IS WHAT I THINK NEEDS TO HAPPEN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER EITHER EITHER THIS IS REALLY BAD OR THIS IS REALLY GOOD. OUR SHERIFFS DO IT QUITE FREQUENTLY AND THE STATE'S ATTORNEYS DO IT FROM TIME TO TIME TOO. AND THAT'S WHAT HE'S DOING. HE'S TRYING TO CHANGE LEGISLATION. THAT'S WHY HE'S GETTING MUNICIPALITIES ON BOARD.

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QUESTION MAYOR. YES. WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE WOULD YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE AFTER SAY SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR TO PRESENT SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO SEE IF THIS PASSES TO SHOW YOU KNOW THE EFFECT IT HAS ON YOUR OFFICERS IF ANY AND THE EFFECT IT HAS ON OUR CITY. WE WILL ABSOLUTELY PRODUCE ANY DATA THAT A SYSTEM A PROGRAM LIKE THIS WOULD IMPACT ON OUR RESOURCES. ABSOLUTELY. AND IT'S CRUCIALLY IMPORTANT THAT I MESSAGE TO YOU AND TO THIS COMMUNITY LISTENING TO US  TONIGHT THAT WE'RE GOING TO ENFORCE THE LAW NO MATTER WHAT AND IN FACT REMEMBER WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT DECRIMINALIZATION  HERE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DIVERSION AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ANOTHER OPTION. SO DESPITE ANY OF THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY WE'RE STILL GOING TO SERVE THIS COMMUNITY AND PROVIDE THE SERVICES THAT WE DO SO TODAY AND THEN SOME DESPITE LEGISLATION.

THANK YOU CHIEF. ANY OTHER PRESENTATIONS COUNCILMAN? WE DO HAVE BROWARD COUNTY COMMISSIONER VICE MAYOR [INAUDIBLE] AND STAFF IF THEY CAN COME UP AND PRESENT. THEY'VE HAD THIS PROGRAM IN PLACE SINCE 2016 FOR THEIR ADULT CITATION PROGRAM SO THEY CAN PRESENT THE INFORMATION THEY'VE HAD IN THE REPORTS BECAUSE I REMEMBER I BELIEVE.

COUNCILMAN SANTIAGO WANTED TO SEE PRIOR LIKE A TIME SHEET OF WHAT WAS THE EFFECT ON THE CITY OR THE COUNTY SO. VICE MAYOR [INAUDIBLE]. MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS CITY ATTORNEY CITY MANAGER GOOD EVENING.E THANKS FOR INVITING US UP. FIRST WHEN WE PASSED THIS I ALONG WITH [INAUDIBLE] WHO WAS THE COMMISSIONER THEN NOW THE PROPERTY APPRAISER LED THE CHARGE TO PUT THIS IN PLACE. AND THE REASON WE BELIEVE IN DOING THAT IS BECAUSE EVIDENCE HAS SHOWN THAT IT SAVES LIVES. AND IT ACTUALLY BUILD THE COMMUNITY WHEN YOU CONSIDER THAT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO WILL BENEFIT FROM THIS ARE YOUNG PEOPLE, STILL IN THEIR FORMATIVE AGE. AND I THINK THE SCIENCE SAYS YOUR BRAIN IS NOT FULLY MATURE UNTIL YOU'RE ABOUT 26 YEARS OLD. SO THEY'RE STILL GOING THROUGH DEVELOPMENTAL ISSUES. AND IF YOU'RE CAUGHT IN THE SYSTEM LIKELIHOOD IF YOU HAVE MARIJUANA POSSESSION CHARGE AGAINST YOU YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A DIFFICULT TIME GETTING INTO SCHOOL, INTO COLLEGE. YOU'LL HAVE ISSUES SERVING IN THE MILITARY AND SO MUCH OTHER ISSUES THAT YOU FACE IN TERMS OF GETTING JOBS. AND IT CREATES A BURDEN ON TAXPAYERS TO FUND PROGRAMS THAT WILL THEN HELP THESE FOLKS REBUILD THEIR LIVES. SO WE THOUGHT THAT WAS A VERY IMPORTANT PIECE OF WHAT WE DO. FURTHER THE COUNTY FUNDS THE JAIL FOR PROPERTY TAXES. AND I'LL TELL YOU THIS PAST YEAR ONE QUARTER BILLION DOLLARS 250 MILLION DOLLARS IS WHAT WE SPENT ON THE JAILS IN BROWARD COUNTY. THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY THAT WE COULD OTHERWISE USE TO DO MORE PRODUCTIVE THINGS. SO SINCE WE'VE PUT THIS PROGRAM IN PLACE WE HAVE A GOOD AMOUNT OF BUYING ESPECIALLY FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. AND UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE MULTIPLE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES THAT ARE IN BROWARD COUNTY THAT PARTICIPATE WITH THIS PROGRAM. WHEN WE PUT THIS IN PLACE OR PENALTIES WAS ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR THE FIRST VIOLATION, 250 FOR THE SECOND. BUT YOU ALSO HAD THE OPTION OF DOING COMMUNITY SERVICE OR GOING THROUGH AN EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM AND THAT EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM WAS A BIG PIECE FOR ME IN PASSING IT. THAT'S FOR THE FIRST AND SECOND VIOLATION. FIRST VIOLATION $100 SECOND $250 COMMUNITY SERVICE HOURS FOR THE FIRST IS EIGHT HOURS, 16 HOURS FOR THE SECOND. THE EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM FOUR HOURS.

ABOUT 50 DOLLAR FEE FOR EIGHT HOURS. IT'S ABOUT ONE HUNDRED DOLLAR FEE FOR THE SECOND OFFENSE FIRST AND SECOND OFFENSE. BUT ON THE THIRD OFFENSE I WANTED TO BE A LITTLE BIT TOUGHER. AND THE REASON IS IT MAY HAVE SIGNAL A PATTERN THAT SOMEONE  MIGHT BE ADDICTED. SO PART OF THAT IS AND WOULD YOU PASS THE IF WE MAY WE BROUGHT YOU PACKAGES AND WE HAVE A LITTLE PACKAGE A LITTLE BROCHURE HERE THAT YOU CAN HAVE SEE WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. SO ON THE THIRD VIOLATION WE REQUIRE DRUG SCREENING AND IF THROUGH THE EVALUATION PROCESS AND AN EVALUATION WE FIND THAT YOU

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NEED YOU NEED ADDICTION RECOVERY SERVICES, WE REFER YOU TO THAT AND YOU AND YOU NEED TO GO THROUGH THAT PROGRAM. OTHERWISE YOUR PENALTY GOES UP TO 500 DOLLARS OR YOU DO 16 HOURS COMMUNITY SERVICE AND COMPLETE AN EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM. AGAIN WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY AT THE THIRD LEVEL. MAYBE THE DETERRENCE IS THERE FROM THAT HIGH A FEE. AND THOSE ARE THE STRINGENT REQUIREMENTS FOR SOMEONE. SO THE PACKAGE I GAVE YOU IS BASICALLY AS COMPLETE AS WE CAN GIVE YOU OR FLOWCHART AND THE WHOLE PROGRAM THAT WE PUT TOGETHER. I WOULD ALLOW TO MAKE A GAINER OR ADMINISTRATIVE OR HUMAN SERVICES DEPARTMENT TO GET INTO THE FLOW AND WHAT HAPPENS IN THE PROCESS. GOOD EVENING. SO BASICALLY WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER USE THEIR DISCRETION TO ISSUE A CITATION IN LIEU OF ARREST THEY WOULD SEND THE CITATION AFTER THEY'VE GIVEN IT TO THE PERSON AND IT HAS BEEN SIGNED WITH A WAIVER ON IT OF COURSE THEY WOULD SEND IT TO OUR OFFICE AND THAT  PERSON BASICALLY HAS 10 DAYS TO REACH OUT TO US AND SAY HEY I WANT TO MAKE AN ELECTION AS THE VICE MAYOR STATED THEY HAD THE OPTION EITHER PAY THE FINE TO DO COMMUNITY SERVICE OR TO HAVE A HEARING PRETTY MUCH. RIGHT OR AN EDUCATIONAL COMPONENT. ONCE THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY SENDS IT TO US WE DON'T WAIT OF COURSE WE REACH OUT TO THAT PERSON. WE MAY REACH OUT TO THEM BEFORE THEY CONTACT US AND SAY HEY YOU'VE RECEIVED A CITATION. WHAT DO YOU WISH TO DO. IF THE PERSON SAYS THEY WANT TO PAY THE FINE THEY HAVE 30 DAYS AND 30 DAYS TO MAKE SURE THAT FINE WAS PAID AND TO PROVIDE US WITH PROOF. WE ALSO HAVE THE AGENCY ACCEPTING PAYMENTS TO PROVIDE US WITH PROOF WEEKLY OF THE PAYMENTS THAT WERE MADE IF THEY DECIDED TO DO COMMUNITY  SERVICE OR EDUCATION PROGRAM WE GAVE THEM 60 DAYS WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT EDUCATION PROGRAMS MAY TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER AND THEY HAVE TO GET ENROLLED IN THOSE. SO ONCE THEY COMPLETED IT THEY WERE SUCCESSFULLY CLOSED. WE NOTIFIED THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY AND THEY DID WHAT THEY NEEDED TO DO ON THERE END. WE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES TO ENSURE THAT THEIR STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES WERE IN LINE WITH THE PROGRAM AND ALSO AND WORK WITH THEM IN EDUCATING  THEIR OFFICERS ON THE PROCESS AND WHAT NEEDED TO BE DONE. IF THE PERSON CAME THROUGH AND THEY'VE DECIDED AFTER IT WAS ISSUED THEY DIDN'T WANT TO. WE ALSO CREATED A PROCESS WHERE WE NOTIFIED THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY THEY HAD ONE  DESIGNATED CONTACT AND THEY WOULD ACTUALLY MOVE FORWARD INSTEAD OF WORRYING ABOUT  ISSUES LIKE COLLECTIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT IF A PERSON DIDN'T PAY. WE SENT THE INFORMATION BACK TO LAW ENFORCEMENT AND WHAT THEY WOULD DO IS THEY WOULD FILE THE  PACKET WITH THE STATE ATTORNEY OFFICE OF COURSE USING THEIR DISCRETION AND ONCE THAT PERSON WAS CLOSED OUT FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER DID WHAT THEY WANTED NEEDED TO DO ON THEIR END. AND WE CLOSED OUT THE CASE BUT OTHER CASES THAT CAME THROUGH THE PROGRAM 78.3 PERCENT ACTUALLY DECIDED TO PAY THE FINE. THEN THERE WAS 15.9 PERCENT WHO CHOSE TO DO COMMUNITY SERVICE AS WELL AS THE 5.8  PERCENT THEY CHOSE TO DO COMMUNITY SERVICE. I'M SORRY. THE EDUCATION PROGRAM AND WE DIDN'T HAVE A THIRD OPPORTUNITY. WE NEVER HAD TO WORRY ABOUT THE THIRD OPPORTUNITIES. WE HAD DIFFERENT DISTRICTS WE WORKED WITH THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY. AND OF THOSE TWO, 79 THERE WERE ACTUALLY TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY NINE WHO WERE ACTUALLY SUCCESSFUL. I MEAN THEY CAME THROUGH THEY MADE THEIR ELECTION THEY DID WHAT THEY SAID THEY WERE GONNA DO AND THEY WILL CLOSED OUT SUCCESSFUL THE OTHER 20 PERCENT WHO WERE UNSUCCESSFUL. THAT WAS THREE WHO ACTUALLY FAILED TO TAKE ACTION WHICH WAS 1 PERCENT BUT THE TOTAL OF THE UNSUCCESSFUL WAS ONLY 7.2 PERCENT AND AGAIN THE MAJORITY OF THOSE THE MAJORITY OF THOSE PERSONS WHO WERE REFERRED TO THE PROGRAM COMPLETED THE PROGRAM. AND ALSO JUST SO YOU KNOW FOR THE FINES THAT WE COLLECTED OF THE THE 78 PERCENT WHO CHOSE TO PAY THE FINE WE COLLECTED TWENTY ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS IN REVENUE. ANY QUESTIONS COUNCIL? SO IF I MAY TO FOLLOW UP ON WHAT YOUR POLICE CHIEF JUST TALKED ABOUT JUVENILE CIVIL CITATION WHICH FOR US HAS BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL IN BROWARD COUNTY. WE'VE SAVED THE GOVERNMENT.

MILLIONS. SO ABOUT 60 MILLION? IT'S ABOUT 44 MILLION AND THAT'S OVER THE PERIOD FROM 2013 UNTIL CURRENT AND THAT'S FOR KIDS COMING INTO THE PROGRAM AND CONSIDERING THAT THE AMOUNT TO ARREST ONE JUVENILE IN BROWARD COUNTY IS FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS JUST FOR THE PROCESSING OF THE ARREST AND TO COME THROUGH OUR CIVIL CITATION PROGRAM

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IS THREE HUNDRED EIGHTY SIX DOLLARS. SO BASED ON THAT SUCCESS THAT WE ACTUALLY ADD THE COMPLETION RATE IS OVER 90 PERCENT FOR THOSE JUVENILES. ALSO THE RECIDIVISM RATE IS QUITE LOW ALSO. IT'S LESS THAN 2 PERCENT. LESS THAN 2 PERCENT RECIDIVISM RATE. I THOUGHT THAT THAT COULD APPLY HERE ESPECIALLY WHEN THE RESEARCH SHOW THAT THE FOLKS WHO ARE MORE LIKELY TO GET THESE ARE YOUNGER PEOPLE, NOT OLDER PEOPLE. AND THE WHOLE COMMUNITY WIDE BENEFIT FOR ME IS REALLY HUGE FOR US TO MOVE THE PROGRAM FORWARD. SO I MOVED IN 2018. THAT'S WHY YOU SEE TWO DATES THERE 2016 AND 2018. IN 2018 THERE'S A LOT MORE RESEARCH AND WE FOUND THAT ADULT CIVIL CITATION COULD BE PUT IN PLACE ALSO BASED ON STATE LEGISLATION. SO THAT ADULT CIVIL CITATION EXPANDED FROM THE MARIJUANA POSSESSION OF 20 GRAMS OR LESS TO RETAIL THEFT, TRESPASS, CRIMINAL MISCHIEF, DISORDERLY CONDUCT, LOITERING, POSSESSION OF ALCOHOL BY PERSONS UNDER 21 YEARS OLD AND OUR CHIEF JUDGE FOR BROWARD COUNTY HAS TAKEN THAT AND EXPANDED IT. WE LOOKED AT OUR JAIL POPULATION WE FOUND A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT WERE THERE WITH BOND AMOUNT OF FIFTY DOLLARS ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS THAT MIGHT HAVE SPENT 30 DAYS IN JAIL WHICH COST US THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS FOR MINOR OFFENSES. AND AT THE END OF THE DAY DO WE REALLY SOLVE THE PROBLEM WHY THEY WENT IN. MANY OF THEM ARE ADDICTED. MANY OF THEM ARE HOMELESS. MANY OF THEM HAVE NO JOBS. SO PART OF WHAT WE PUT INTO THE EXPANDED CIVIL CITATION WAS TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS SOME SYSTEM OF ASSISTANCE TO NOT ONLY FOR THEM TO BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT THEY DID BUT ALSO TO BRING THEM TO OR BACK OR BROUGHT UP ALCOHOL AND ADDICTION RECOVERY CENTER OR TO FIND OTHER MEANS OF HELPING THEM WITH JOB PLACEMENTS AND NETWORKING THEM THROUGH SERVICES THAT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE TO HELP THEM BUILD THEIR LIVES. AND AGAIN THAT'S SAVING US QUITE A BIT OF MONEY OR PRISON OR JAIL POPULATION HAS DROPPED SAVING US MONEY. THE CHIEF JUSTICE ACTUALLY HAS PUT IN PLACE COMMUNITY COURTS NOW WHERE  BASICALLY IN FORT LAUDERDALE THE LEADING CITY ON THIS ISSUE WHERE BASICALLY THEY GO IN AND SOMEONE WHO'S VAGRANTS SOMEONE WHO HAS SOME MINOR ISSUES THE SUPPORT COMES IN. AND IF THEY NEED TO GO TO [INAUDIBLE] FOR RECOVERY IF THEY NEED MENTAL HEALTH PLACEMENT THAT IS BROUGHT IN ALSO SO THAT WE CAN HELP TO A LOT OF PEOPLE IN JAILS ADDICTED AND HAVE MENTAL ILLNESS. WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE IN PRISON THAN ANY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD THAT'S ROBBING US OF OUR PRODUCTIVITY AND OUR COMPETITIVENESS WITH THE REST OF THE WORLD. THIS IS A BETTER IN MY MIND WAY FOR US TO DEAL WITH MANY OF THESE ISSUES AND THAT THAT SOME PEOPLE SHOULDN'T BE LOCKED UP. THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT MUST BE LOCKED UP IN ORDER TO SAVE THEM FROM US. SAVE US FROM THEM BUT WE CAN LOOK AT OTHER WAYS OF BRINGING JUSTICE WITHOUT HAVING TO LOCK UP EVERYONE. ANY QUESTIONS? IF I MAY. I'M SORRY MA'AM WHAT WAS YOUR NAME AGAIN AND WHAT WAS YOUR POSITION? MY NAME IS TAMIKA [INAUDIBLE] AND I'M THE ADMINISTRATOR FOR JUSTICE SERVICES UNDER HUMAN SERVICES.AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I GOT MY NUMBERS CORRECT. THEY WERE FAST, NUMBERS ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO ME. WHAT WAS THE COST FOR YOU SAID IT WAS FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS WHAT WAS THAT COST FOR? SO THAT COST IS ACTUALLY FOR THE JUVENILE PROGRAM. SO WHAT  THE STATE OF FLORIDA HAS TOLD US GAVE US. IS THAT TO ARREST THE YOUTH IN BROWARD COUNTY THE COST IS FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS. THAT'S FROM POLICE TIME,  STATE ATTORNEYS TIME. THE WHOLE PROCESS. AND THEN FOR A CIVIL CITATION IS THREE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY SIX DOLLARS. THREE HUNDRED EIGHTY SIX DOLLARS. AND HOW MUCH WAS THE SAVINGS YOU SAID SINCE 2013? WE HAVE SAVED OVER 44 MILLION. AND IT'S A IT'S A COST SAVINGS. AND DO YOU HAVE ANY DETAILS BECAUSE I WAS JUST DOING QUICK MATH ON THAT. I SEE THAT THERE WAS 279 PARTICIPANT FOR THE LAST 16  TO 18 SO JUST A BIT OVER A YEAR. YES I THINK THE REPORT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PAMPHLETS THAT YOU WERE PROVIDED THE FOLDERS THEY'RE ONLY FOR ADULT AND FOR THOSE NUMBERS THAT WAS AN EXAMPLE FROM OUR JUVENILE PROGRAM BUT IN OUR JUVENILE PROGRAM WE'VE SERVED OVER 5100 KIDS. SO WHAT YOU HAVE IS JUST FOR JUST THE ADULT CIVIL CITATION PROGRAM. WE DON'T HAVE A COST BREAKDOWN ON THAT. WHAT WE GAVE YOU IS THE JUVENILE CIVIL CITATION  PROGRAM. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE. SO WE HAVE THE UNIT RATE FOR THE ESSENTIALLY UNIT RATE FOR THE JUVENILES BUT NOT FOR THE  ADULTS. THAT'S CORRECT. BUT THE REPORT

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APPEARS FOR 279 ADULTS. ARE YOU SEEING MORE ADULT MORE CHILDREN THAN ADULTS IN THE PROGRAM? THEY ARE TWO SEPARATE PROGRAMS AND IN ADDITION THE EXPANDED VERSION OF THE EXPANDED VERSION OF THE ADULT CIVIL CITATION IS  REALLY JUST PICKING UP BECAUSE AGAIN WE WENT FROM MARIJUANA TO AN EXPANDED VERSION  WHICH IS A LOT MORE INTENSE. THE JUVENILE PROGRAM HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE SINCE 2012.

SO WE'VE HAD A LONGER TIME OPERATING THAT PROGRAM AND WE HAVE ALL OF THE AGENCIES IN BROWARD COUNTY EVERY LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY PARTICIPATING IN THAT PROGRAM.

NOT YOU KNOW YOU'RE HERE TOO AS A GUEST AND I DON'T MEAN TO ASK TOO MANY QUESTIONS [INAUDIBLE] BECOMING GRILLING YOU BUT I IF THERE ARE ANY BREAKDOWNS OF THE 44 MILLION DOLLARS AND HOW THAT WAS CALCULATED I'D BE INTERESTED IN HEARING THAT. YES IT'S A COST SAVING. IF YOU YOU I CAN PROVIDE IT TO YOU NOW. THAT COST SAVINGS IS DETERMINED BY CALCULATING THE TOTAL AMOUNT IT WOULD COST TO ARREST THOSE JUVENILES THAT OVER THAT TO PROCESS THOSE JUVENILES THE 5100 AND THEN TAKING THAT SAME TAKING THE 5100 AND USING THE $386 AND SUBTRACTING THE DIFFERENCE. SO THAT'S THE POTENTIAL COST SAVINGS. SO 44 MILLION DOLLARS IS PURELY BASED ON JUVENILE SAVINGS. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ADULTS.

CORRECT. OK. ALL RIGHT. SO I'D BE CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT THE ADULTS ARE BECAUSE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HEARD EARLIER WE DO HAVE WE ACTUALLY ALREADY HAVE A  JUVENILE PROGRAM IN PLACE HERE. RIGHT. SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MARGINAL IMPACT OF THE ADULT OF THE ADULT POPULATION SO I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SEEING THAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.  ANY QUESTIONS. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON ANY OTHER PRESENTATIONS? THAT'S IT MAYOR OK. NOW I GUESS YOU KNOW HOW THIS IS DONE. THIS IS JUST A WORKSHOP. SO THE QUESTION I'M GOING TO PRESENT TO COUNCIL DO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE IN MOVING THIS FORWARD TO A REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING TO COME UP FOR A VOTE. THAT IS THE QUESTION AT HAND TO COUNCIL RIGHT NOW. OH HOLD ON ACTUALLY I KNOW I'M THE ONE WHO PUT IT TOGETHER I'D ACTUALLY CHANGE IT A TAD BEING THE INFORMATION THAT WAS JUST PRESENTED WITH REGARDS TO THE FINES I WOULD LIKE TO MIRROR BROWARD STARTING OFF WITH A HUNDRED DOLLAR FINE. SECOND BEING  $250 AND THIRD BEING $500. BUT I ALSO WANTED TO TALK TO COUNCIL TO SEE IF THEY'LL ENTERTAIN HAVING THE OPTION LIKE THEY DID WITH EITHER A CITATION OR A COMMUNITY SERVICE. I THINK WHEN IT COMES TO THIS IT LOOKS LIKE THIS NEEDS TO GO A LITTLE BIT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD. OK. SO THE QUESTION REALLY PRESENTED IS  MORE IS COUNCIL OKAY WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH YOU STILL WORKING WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. GOT IT. AND GETTING IT ALL TOGETHER. SO THEN WE COULD TWEAK IT AT THAT TIME. GOT IT. I THINK RIGHT NOW I'LL BE PULL IT HERE PULL THERE PULL THERE AND I THINK THE BEST WAY IS IS TO ALLOW YOU TO GO BACK TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE SINCE WE'VE HAD ALL THESE DISCUSSIONS AND PUT IT TOGETHER SO WE COULD ACTUALLY GET TO THE POINT OF MAKING A DECISION. DOES COUNCIL HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS? NOT EVERYBODY RUSH ALL AT ONCE. NO PROBLEM HERE. WELL I WILL SAY THIS. I DO HAVE SOME RELUCTANCE AND I'LL BE HONEST ABOUT THAT. BUT AT THE SAME TIME I FIRST OF ALL LET ME JUST SAY THAT I DO APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK AND YOU KNOW I MEAN EVERYTHING THAT WAS DONE BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON BY EVERYONE ELSE IN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. INTERIM CHIEF MOYA BRINGING THEIR PRESENTATION EVERYTHING WAS VERY WELL PUT TOGETHER. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT EVEN THOUGH SOME OF THE HISTORY HERE AND I APPRECIATE IT. YOU KNOW I CONSIDER MYSELF SOMEWHAT OF A HISTORY BUFF AND TO KNOW THAT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP OVER THREE DECADES AGO IS SOMETHING THAT REALLY YOU KNOW HAS IS AN EYE OPENER. I WOULD NEVER HAVE THOUGHT SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP BACK THEN. AND AT THE SAME TIME I JUST GOT TO SAY THAT I UNDERSTAND ALL ASPECTS OF THIS I UNDERSTAND THAT YES THIS IS NOT THIS IS NOT ABOUT LEGALIZING MARIJUANA, THAT I UNDERSTAND AND I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO HELP PEOPLE THAT MAY NEED HELP. I JUST DON'T KNOW IF WHAT WE CAN DO ON THE YOU KNOW HERE LOCALLY WILL

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ACTUALLY HELP OUT YOU KNOW ANY OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE ON A NATIONAL LEVEL. BECAUSE I DO AGREE I DO THINK THAT WE HAVE SOME PROBLEMS ON A NATIONAL LEVEL. I MEAN I DO AGREE THAT WE HAVE A REALLY BIG PROBLEM WITH OUR PENAL SYSTEM THAT I THINK NEED AN OVERHAUL QUITE FRANKLY BUT IS THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO HERE LOCALLY PROBABLY NOT WITH THAT BEING SAID I ALSO SEE THE BENEFIT OF THIS. SO JUST TRYING TO FIND A BALANCE HERE. I DO HAVE SOME RELUCTANCE BUT AT THE SAME TIME PERHAPS IF THIS WERE MODIFIED TO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I HAVE REQUESTED BEFORE WHICH ONE OF THOSE THINGS WAS COMMUNITY SERVICE WHICH WAS PRESENTED HERE IN BROWARD COUNTY. AND I ALSO LIKE THE EDUCATIONAL PART THAT THAT'S SOMETHING I DIDN'T THINK OF. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MIGHT CHANGE MY MIND THERE. YOU KNOW WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO MAKE THIS TOO EASY BUT THE SAME TIME IF THIS IS GOING TO PASS I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN A WAY THAT WILL HELP GET AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE OUT OF THIS LIFESTYLE. I STILL HAVE SOME CONCERNS BECAUSE THE INDIVIDUAL WHO IS CAUGHT WITH WHATEVER AMOUNT OF MARIJUANA WHETHER IT'S LESS THAN 20 GRAMS OR MORE AND 20 GRAM THEY'RE STILL PURCHASING IT FROM AN  INDIVIDUAL WHO WAS SELLING IT ILLEGALLY. AND I THINK THAT YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CONCERNS ME BECAUSE THE INDIVIDUAL WHO'S SELLING IT IS STILL OUT IN THE STREETS AND THE INDIVIDUAL WHO POSSESSES IT IS PRETTY MUCH FEEDING THAT PERSON AND THAT UNDERGROUND ORGANIZATION. BUT THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE. THAT'S JUST ME JUST STATING SOME OF MY CONCERNS BEHIND THIS. BUT BUT I KNOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT ALL THE DETAILS OF THIS ORDINANCES BUT I GUESS I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM MOVING FORWARD. I JUST HOPE THAT THE ORDINANCE WOULD COME BACK SOMEWHAT PALATABLE OR MORE PALATABLE AT LEAST TO ME. I THINK YOU KIND OF THAT'S WHY IT SAID YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD BECAUSE I THINK EACH COUNCIL MEMBER TO INCLUDE THE DEPUTY MAYOR HAS CERTAIN CONCERNS. I THINK THAT BROWARD COUNTY HAS PUT SOMETHING ON THE TABLE THAT YOU NEED  TO LOOK AT IN ORDER TO HAVE A FULL PACKAGE. COUNCILMAN BAILEY HAS HIS CONCERN AND I THINK THAT THAT'S WHY WE'RE A FIVE  MEMBER COUNCIL. SO I THINK THAT AT THIS TIME IT'S ALL ABOUT GOING BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD BRINGING IT BACK TO COUNCIL AND THEN COUNCIL CAN MAKE THE FINAL DECISION. THIS IS NOT A WORKSHOP IS NOT WHERE YOU MAKE YOUR DECISION IS WHERE YOU HAVE DISCUSSIONS. AND I THINK THAT COUNCILMAN JOHNSON HAS HEARD US. STAFF HAS HEARD US TOO SO WE CAN MOVE FROM THERE.

COUNCILMAN BAILEY. YEAH MAYOR I'M I JUST FORGIVE ME I KNOW THIS IS A TIME FOR DISCUSSION HERE. I'M JUST CURIOUS, MY UNDERSTANDING IS  THAT EVERYTHING WAS BASED ON BROWARD COUNTY'S ORDINANCE IS THAT CORRECT? NO. OK. SO MYSELF MR. MESSENGER LOOKED AT DIFFERENT ORDINANCES THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF FLORIDA. BROWARD COUNTY WAS ONE THAT WE RECENTLY FOUND AFTER THE COUNCIL MEETING. OK. SO THEN I REACHED OUT TO BROWARD COUNTY AND GOT THE INFORMATION I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE SAME INFORMATION WAS  PROVIDED TO EVERYBODY SO I ASKED FOR THEM TO COME UP HERE AND PROVIDE. SO A LOT OF THIS [INAUDIBLE]. THANK YOU FOR COMING. SO ALL RIGHT. SO IT LOOKS LIKE THE NUMBERS FAVOR MOVING ON. SO YES. IF I MAY I ALSO JUST WANTED TO THANK VICE MAYOR [INAUDIBLE] AND I'M SORRY I'M A POLITICIAN I'M NOT EVEN GOOD WITH NAMES OVER HERE. TAMIKA,  TAMIKA. I JUST WANT TO THANK BOTH OF YOU FOR COMING ALL THE WAY OUT HERE MAKING A TRIP OUT HERE. SO I JUST WANTED TO EXPRESS MY GRATITUDE FOR YOU COMING OUT HERE AND EDUCATING US AND THE PUBLIC AS WELL. WELL MAYOR  I JUST WANT TO REITERATE MY THINGS  TONIGHT THAT I DID NOT HEAR. I THINK INITIALLY WHEN THIS CAME FORWARD THE IDEA WAS ALSO FOR COST SAVINGS, EFFICIENCY WITHIN OUR AGENCY. I THINK WE'VE SEEN PRESENTED TONIGHT HOW IT CAN IMPROVE EFFICIENCY AND COST SAVINGS IN MR. ARCHER'S OFFICE FOR THE COUNTY BUDGET NOW WHICH STATE BUDGET THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND THE JAIL. WHAT I HAVEN'T SEEN BASED ON THE STATEMENTS THAT WE HEARD FROM THE CHIEF, IT'S STILL GOING TO COST US THE SAME THING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SAME ENCOUNTERS THE SAME AMOUNT OF COSTS HERE AT THE LOCAL LEVEL. SO NOW WE'RE ADDING ADMINISTRATIVE 

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OVERHEAD AND I DON'T SEE THAT YET. SO THAT'S A BIG CONCERN FOR ME AS ADMINISTRATIVE OVERHEAD. AND THEN ALSO TRYING TO GAUGE WHAT THE REAL IMPACT OF  THIS IS GOING TO BE IT COULD END UP BEING MORE FOLKS ACTUALLY BEING NOW INSTEAD OF BEING LET GO THEY'RE GOING TO GET A CITATION FOR ME I KIND OF FEEL  THERE'S CERTAINLY MORE PEOPLE 60 PERCENT OF PEOPLE ARE BEING LET GO RIGHT NOW. I THINK THERE'S CERTAINLY MORE LIKELIHOOD THAT SOME OF THOSE FOLKS WILL GET A CIVIL CITATION. WE DON'T KNOW. IT DEPENDS ON WHAT OUR OFFICERS ON THE STREET DECIDE TO DO. AND SO IT'S KIND OF UNKNOWN FACTOR THAT'S KIND OF WEIGHING IN MY HEAD THE WAY I BEAT THAT AROUND MY HEAD I THINK WE'RE GOING END UP AND MORE PEOPLE ACTUALLY HAVE SOME TYPE OF RECORD HERE AT THE CITY. I KNOW WE DIDN'T REALLY DISCUSS  THAT TOO MUCH EARLIER TOO MUCH EARLIER. HOW THAT WOULD BE REPORTED. I KNEW. I DO BELIEVE THAT PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEETING AT LEAST IN MY OTHER DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF THAT THAT WAS STATED THAT WOULDN'T BE IN THE KNOW A RECORD BACKGROUND SEARCH.

THEY'D HAD TO COME KNOW SPECIFICALLY TO PALM BAY TO FIND OUT THAT THEY HAD GOT THE CIVIL CITATION. SO THERE'S SOME PIECES OF IT IS IT MEETING THE  INTENT IS IT REALLY GONNA HAVE MUCH OF AN IMPACT. I THINK [INAUDIBLE] ARE STILL GOING TO KIND OF MAKE SOME DECISIONS AS THEY HAVE IN THE PAST. SO IT'S QUESTIONS WHERE IS THAT MARGIN THAT AND THEN THE UNKNOWN COST OF WHO'S GOING TO [INAUDIBLE] THAT AND AT WHAT COST. SO THOSE THAT'S THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ME HERE. I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THERE'S SOME BIG FEAR THAT THIS IS GOING TO. NO THIS IS NOT LEGALIZING ANYTHING. THIS IS NOT I DON'T KNOW. WILL IT ENCOURAGE IT.

I'M SURE THAT SOME FOLKS MIGHT THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE FEARS TOO IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WILL MAKE SURE THAT IS SPOKEN AT THE DAIS IS THAT NO SOME FOLKS MIGHT FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE TO COME TO PALM BAY OR IT'S SAFE TO COME TO PALM BAY AND TO SMOKE OR TO BUY OR DO THEIR DEALINGS OR WHATEVER. WHEN IT COMES TO DRUGS BECAUSE IF THEY GET CAUGHT WITH IT DOWN HERE THAT THEY'RE MORE LIKELY TO GET OFF EASIER. I DON'T THINK THAT  THAT'S REALLY PROBABLY A TRUE PERCEPTION. BUT I THINK THERE'S FOLKS THAT THAT DO HAVE THAT THAT FEAR SO I STILL THINK THERE'S SOME SOME UNKNOWNS AND IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WHERE I THINK THAT MIGHT BE BETTER SERVED AT THE STATE LEVEL. I'VE  TALKED TO MANY POLICE OFFICERS ABOUT IT AND I'VE GOT MIXED FEEDBACK NOW FROM MULTIPLE AGENCIES. SOME SAY THOUGH IT'S KIND OF IT'S POLITICALLY ANSWER INDICATES THAT HEY LOOK IT'S STILL AGAINST THE FEDERAL LAW IT'S AGAINST THE LAW AND THEY MAKE A POINT THERE IS AGAINST A CRIME IT IS A CRIMINAL LAW AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL THAT WE'RE CHOOSING NOT TO ENFORCE. THEN THERE'S OTHERS WHO SAY THAT YEAH IT'S GOING TO MAKE THEIR LIVES A LITTLE BIT EASIER. THERE'S OTHERS THAT SAY THAT BUT I'D SAY A MAJORITY FEEDBACK THAT I'VE GOT. THEY REALLY DON'T CARE EITHER WAY BECAUSE THEY STILL CAN ARREST PEOPLE AS LONG AS WE DON'T TAKE AWAY THAT  USURP THEIR AUTHORITY TO MAKE JUDGMENT CALLS AS FAR AS ARRESTING NOW BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THERE WERE OPTIONS WHERE WE COULD TELL THEM AND I DON'T THINK I'D FEEL COMFORTABLE TELLING THE POLICE OFFICERS WHAT TO DO IN THAT REGARD. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A MAJOR HIT TO MORALE AND TO THEIR ABILITY TO BE EFFECTIVE ON THE  STREETS. BUT ANYHOW THAT'S KIND OF WHAT MY STATEMENTS ARE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW MY KIND OF TRAIN OF THOUGHT THERE'S STILL A LOT OF QUESTIONS BUT WE'LL SEE HOW IT COMES BACK AND  EVALUATE FURTHER BUT I THINK THERE'S A IT'S A VERY HOT TOPIC. I THINK YOU'RE BRAVE TO BRING IT TO TAKE IT ON. I JUST DON'T. IN THE END I AGREE WITH THE [INAUDIBLE] I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO HAVE MUCH OF IMPACT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. NO PROBLEM. I THINK THAT EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER INCLUDING MYSELF HAD [INAUDIBLE]  QUESTIONS TO STAFF. SO I THINK STAFF AND COUNCILMAN JOHNSON NEED TO GO BACK AND PRESENT A FULL PACKAGE WHENEVER THIS COMES ON THE COUNCIL AGENDA. SO WITH THAT I'M GOING TO MOVE FORWARD. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR A VOTE AT LATER DATE. I'M GOING TO ASK

[PUBLIC COMMENTS:]

WHO IN THE AUDIENCE WANTS TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS. PHIL. GOOD EVENING. PHIL WEINBERG 466 [INAUDIBLE] ROAD. I AM STRONGLY IN FAVOR OF THIS ORDINANCE. IT'S AN ORDINANCE WHOSE TIME HAS COME. AS YOU SAW ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES AND MR. MESSENGER  SHOWED ON BOARD. THERE'S A REASON AND SINCE THAT ACTUALLY SINCE HE COMPILED THAT INFORMATION I BELIEVE DAYTONA BEACH JUST LAST WEEK PASSED A SIMILAR ORDINANCE. I THINK THAT BROWARD COUNTY HAS A TERRIFIC PROGRAM AND I APPRECIATE VICE MAYOR [INAUDIBLE]  IN COMING TO PRESENT THAT. A COUPLE OF THINGS. AS THE MAYOR SAID I THINK THIS ORDINANCE IS PRESENTED CERTAINLY NEEDS TO BE TWEAKED AND A COUPLE OF THINGS. LET ME LET ME COMMENT ON. NUMBER ONE UNDER PARAGRAPH B SECTION 2 THAT SAYS POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA. I THINK THAT SHOULD MORE CORRECTLY REFER TO CANNABIS PARAPHERNALIA AS THE CITY OF ORLANDO'S CIVIL CITATION ORDINANCE READS. AND I'VE GOT A COPY OF IT IF YOU'D LIKE OR CERTAINLY YOU CAN LOOK IT UP I CAN GIVE YOU A COPY OF IT THOUGH I'VE GOT IT HERE. SO I THINK THAT SHOULD BE CHANGED. ALSO THIS ORDINANCE DOESN'T PROVIDE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE COMMENTED IT DOESN'T PROVIDE FOR A DIVERSIONARY PROGRAM.

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THERE SHOULD BE AGAIN CITY OF ORLANDO'S DIVERSIONARY PROGRAM OFFERS EIGHT HOURS OF SUBSTANCE ABUSE EDUCATION OR EIGHT HOURS OF COMMUNITY SERVICE. IT JUST MAKES SENSE. I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT EXACTLY THAT THAT COUNCILMAN SANTIAGO'S CONCERNED ABOUT. AND I THINK PART OF THIS IS CERTAINLY IS WE WANT TO DO IS EDUCATE THE PEOPLE THAT THAT WE'RE CAUGHT WITH WITH 20 GRAMS OF MARIJUANA OR LESS.

AND THE THING ABOUT IT IS THIS IS THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO ARE CAUGHT WITH  THAT AMOUNT OF MARIJUANA ARE BETWEEN THE AGES OF 18 AND 24 STILL IN THEIR FORMATIVE YEARS. I KNOW BROWARD COUNTY IF YOU LOOKED AT THEIR STATISTICS SAY ALMOST 65 PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE SINCE FROM AUGUST 2016 TO FEBRUARY 2018 ALMOST 65 PERCENT WERE IN THOSE AGENTS AND THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS IS NOT TO DECRIMINALIZE MARIJUANA BUT NOT TO TO A MISDEMEANOR CHARGE ON THEIR RECORD BECAUSE THAT CAN DRASTICALLY AFFECT THEM AND THEY CAN CARRY THAT WITH THEM THE REST OF THEIR LIVES. IT'S LIKE I SAID IT'S AN ORDINANCE  WHOSE TIME HAS COME. IT MAKES SENSE. ALSO ANOTHER THING I WANT TO COMMENT ON ON THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE IS THE APPLICATION FOR HEARINGS MUST BE ACCOMPANIED BY A FEE AS APPROVED BY RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL. I SAID THIS WHEN YOU FIRST HAD THIS THAT CITY COUNCIL. WELL WHAT'S THE FEE GOING TO BE.  MR. [INAUDIBLE] WAS TALKING. WELL WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COSTS ARE GOING TO BE FOR A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE. YEAH YOU DO YOU HAVE A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT. YOU KNOW WHAT THE HOURLY CHARGE WHICH IS HOW IT WORKS. YOU KNOW WHAT THE HOURLY CHARGE IS. SO YOU CAN CERTAINLY INCLUDE THAT IN THE ORDINANCE  WHICH I THINK IT SHOULD BE INCLUDED SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. DON'T JUST HAVE A VAGUE IN THERE WELL WE'LL DETERMINE IT LATER. FIND OUT WHAT THE COST OF A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE TO DEAL WITH THIS IS AND INCLUDE THAT IN THE ORDINANCE. I GUESS THAT'S IT. MY TIME IS UP. SEE HOW TIME FLIES WHEN YOU'RE HAVING FUN. OKAY NEXT PERSON.

THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL THOMAS [INAUDIBLE] 1700 LANTANA COURT. THE FIRST THING I'D LIKE TO SAY ABOUT THIS IS THAT NEXT YEAR THREE OUT OF OUR FIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL BE RUNNING FOR OFFICE SOMEWHERE AT LEAST THREE OUT OF FIVE. DO YOU WANT TO BE KNOWN FOR THIS VOTE. YOU CAN'T RUN AWAY FROM YOUR VOTING RECORD ARE YOU GOING TO BE SOFT ON CRIME. BECAUSE MAKE NO MISTAKE IT'S STILL A CRIME IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA TO HAVE POSSESSION OF LESS THAN 20 GRAMS OF MARIJUANA. BUT ENOUGH ABOUT THAT. 42 PERCENT OF THE STOPS THAT ARE MADE ARE RESULTING IN ARREST OUT  OF 16 MONTHS. THAT WAS THREE HUNDRED TWO I BELIEVE AND IT GOES UP TO THE STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE INADEQUATE TO WHITTLED DOWN SOME MORE IT'S WHITTLED DOWN SOME MORE. I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE THE DATA ON WHAT'S THE FINAL NUMBER OUT OF THE 300 NAMES THAT GOT FORWARDED TO THE STATE LEVEL. WHAT'S THE FINAL NUMBER THAT ACTUALLY HAVE THAT CONVICTION ON THE RECORD NOW. THE OTHER ISSUES I HAVE IS THE ONLY ENFORCEMENT THAT'S LISTED IN ORDINANCE  THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN IS TO BUY PROPERTY LANE. SO WHEN WE HAD THE LAST DISCUSSION IT WAS PUT OUT THAT ONLY THE PALM BAY POLICE OFFICERS WOULD HAVE JURISDICTION TO WRITE THE CIVIL TICKET AND BY THIS IT ONLY MAKES SENSE THAT THE PALM BAY POLICE OFFICERS WOULD ONLY WRITE THOSE TICKETS TO PALM BAY PROPERTY OWNERS. SO WHERE DO YOU GET TO EQUAL JUSTICE UNDER THE LAW WITH THAT. IF YOU GOT JIMMY LIVING IN PALM BAY ON THIS SIDE PALM BAY ROAD AND JEFF LIVING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF PALM BAY ROAD IN WEST MELBOURNE AND THEY BOTH GET STOPPED BY A PALM BAY POLICE OFFICER. WHERE DO YOU WHERE DO YOU EQUATE EQUAL JUSTICE UNDER THE LAW WITH THAT. I JUST DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO IT. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE. IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK COME TO THE FRONT SO THEN I KNOW WHO'S GOING TO SPEAK. ROBERT BURNS [INAUDIBLE]  FLORIDA. FIRST OF ALL I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR THE PRESENTATIONS THOSE WERE EXCELLENT BRINGING THE DATA HERE. EDUCATED ME A LOT AS WELL. SOMETHING THAT REALLY STOOD OUT TO ME WAS THE PENALTY FOR THE DRIVER'S LICENSE. I HAD NO IDEA THAT IT RESULTED IN A ONE YEAR REVOCATION OF THE DRIVER'S LICENSE AND IF I UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY THAT'S MORE THAN FOR A DUI. I THINK THE SLIDE SAID A DUI WAS SIX MONTHS TO ME THAT SEEMS BACKWARDS. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF AND IF IT COULD BE

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PRESENTED IS AS BROWARD COUNTY SAID THEY  SAVE 44 MILLION DOLLARS IN COST SAVINGS SINCE 2013. I WOULD WANT TO KNOW AND THAT WAS FOR THEIR JUVENILE PROGRAM. SO WE HAVE A JUVENILE PROGRAM AS WELL. I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE COST SAVINGS ARE FOR US CONCURRENT WITH THE SAME SYSTEM THAT THEY HAVE TO CALCULATE HOW THEY CAME TO THAT 44 MILLION AND THEN TO USE THAT TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH THE THREE HUNDRED AND TWO ARRESTS THAT WE HAVE HAD IN THE LAST 16 MONTHS HAVE COST THE TAXPAYERS IN PALM BAY TO PROCESS THOSE ARRESTS. AS FAR AS SAYING THAT THIS SHOWS THAT PALM BAY IS SOFT ON CRIME. I THINK IT DOES THE OPPOSITE. I DON'T THINK THAT BY ADDING A PENALTY TO AN OFFENSE IS SOFT ON CRIME I THINK THAT IS TOUGHER ON CRIME. YOU'RE GIVING ANOTHER OPTION TO ENFORCE THE LAW NOT TO NOT ENFORCE IT. SO WE'VE SHOWN THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME THE OFFICERS CHOOSE NOT TO ARREST FOR THE OFFENSIVE LESS THAN 20 GRAMS. NOW WE'RE GIVING THEM OFF THE OPTION TO ALSO ISSUE A FINE IN ADDITION TO EITHER NOT ARRESTING OR ARRESTING. SO I DON'T THINK THAT SHOWS THAT YOU'RE BEING SOFT ON CRIME. I THINK IT SHOWS THAT YOU'RE BEING TOUGHER ON CRIME AND YOU'RE OFFERING ANOTHER DETERRENT FOR THE OFFICERS TO USE TO STOP PEOPLE FROM CARRYING LESS THAN 20 GRAMS. AS FAR AS COMMUNITY SERVICE. I THINK THAT THAT IS A GOOD OPTION. AND THEN WE COULD USE THAT COMMUNITY SERVICE TO TARGET SOME OF THE AREAS WHERE WE HAVE LACKING IN SERVICES FOR EXAMPLE WHERE WE HAVE HIGH INCIDENCE  OF CHILDREN BEING HIT BY VEHICLES MAYBE USE SOME OF THAT COMMUNITY SERVICE TIME TO HAVE MORE CROSSING GUARDS IN THOSE AREAS TO HELP MITIGATE SOME OF THAT RISK AND THE HIGHER TRAFFIC AREAS WHERE WE HAVE MORE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC. I THINK THAT'S IT. I CAN'T READ THE REST OF MY WRITING. THANKS. MA'AM. GOOD EVENING. I'M PAT [INAUDIBLE] RESIDENT OF PALM BAY. 1700 [INAUDIBLE] COURT IN PALM BAY. CAN YOU SPEAK INTO THE  MIC PLEASE. I HAD E-MAILED EACH ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL AN ARTICLE THAT I TOOK FROM PSYCHIATRIC TIMES MAGAZINE. I'M THE DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS AND PARTNER AT ADULT AND CHILD COUNSELING AND PSYCHIATRIC CENTER IN VIERA, FLORIDA. I HAVE COPIES AGAIN IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE THEM. MY THING IS ONLY FROM THE MEDICAL ASPECT OF WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH MARIJUANA. AND IF YOU DID READ THE ARTICLE YOU WILL SEE THAT THERE WAS A LONG TERM STUDY DONE THAT SHOWED THAT EVEN THE MINUTE USE OF MARIJUANA AND THE ONGOING USE OF MARIJUANA PRODUCES PSYCHOSIS IN PATIENTS. PSYCHOSIS IS NOT REVERSIBLE. PSYCHOSIS IS THERE FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE. YOU WILL BE MEDICATED FOR PSYCHOSIS. MARIJUANA DOES NOT MEDICATE YOU FOR THIS MEDICATION HAS ALWAYS HAS SIDE EFFECTS AS DOES MARIJUANA HAVE SIDE EFFECTS. A DRUG IS A DRUG IS A DRUG. BE IT MARIJUANA BE IT ALCOHOL BE IT XANAX BE IT KLONOPIN BE IT AN ANTIBIOTIC. EVERYTHING HAS A SIDE EFFECT. AND THIS ARTICLE SHOWS A SIDE EFFECT OF MARIJUANA LEADS TO PSYCHOSIS AND ULTIMATELY SCHIZOPHRENIA. WE MET AT LUNCH TODAY. OUR BOARD THERE AT THE AT THE OFFICE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT I WOULD SAY TONIGHT AND I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT OUR YOUTH AND THEN I'LL TALK TO YOU ABOUT OUR VETERANS AND OUR OTHER PEOPLE AND THE PEOPLE THAT WE THINK WARRANT USING MARIJUANA. AND WE HAVE A LAW THAT ALLOWS THEM TO USE MARIJUANA. IT'S THE MEDICAL MARIJUANA LAW THEY CAN USE IT AND THAT'S ADVANTAGEOUS TO PEOPLE THAT ARE HAVING EPILEPSY PEOPLE THAT ARE HAVING CANCER. PEOPLE THAT ARE HAVING PARKINSON'S DISEASE IT'S ADVANTAGEOUS IT'S NOT ALL BAD BUT WHEN IT'S USED ILLEGALLY AND USED TO

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EXCESS IT'S BAD WE SEE USE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND WE TREAT THEM EVERY DAY THAT WERE 8 STUDENTS THAT WERE ON THE DEAN'S LIST THAT WERE THRIVING THAT ARE NOW FAILING BECAUSE THEY HAVE LOST THE WILL AND THE DRIVE TO SUCCEED BECAUSE THEY ARE HEAVY USERS OF MARIJUANA. SO WE ARE CONCERNED ANYWHERE BE IT HERE BE IT COCOA BEACH BE A BROWARD COUNTY BE IT EVERYWHERE THAT THERE IS A VALUE PUTTING OUT THAT LET'S JUST SLAP THEIR WRISTS. WE WOULD I SEE BROWARD I'M SORRY. THAT'S YOUR THREE MINUTES. BROWARD COUNTY YOU HAVE A GOOD PROGRAM YOU HAVE DIVERSION FOR THOSE YOUTH AND I WAS GLAD TO HEAR THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. [INAUDIBLE] CHRIS MOORE [INAUDIBLE] CIRCLE. 3 OF YOU WILL BE UP FOR ELECTION AND IF YOU VOTE RIGHT ON THIS WHICH IS YES. IF YOU VOTE RIGHT ON THIS WHICH IS YES A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL BE GRATEFUL AND BE OUT THERE KNOCKING ON DOORS FOR YOU. TELL YOU RIGHT NOW. BETWEEN SO I'M COMING FROM THE DISCRETION ASPECT. I SAW THE NUMBERS IN MIAMI DADE BETWEEN JULY 15TH AND JULY 2018. SEVEN THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED SIXTY EIGHT MARIJUANA CITATIONS WERE GIVEN TO WHITE PEOPLE OUT OF TEN THOUSAND AND ONLY TWO THOUSAND SEVEN HUNDRED EIGHTY NINE WERE GIVEN TO BLACKS OUT OF TEN. SO FOUR THOUSAND FOUR HUNDRED SEVENTY NINE MORE CITATIONS WERE GIVEN TO WHITE PEOPLE THAN BLACK. I SAW THE NUMBERS THAT THEY GAVE UP AND I WAS ENCOURAGED AT FIRST GLANCE BUT IF YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT WHITE PEOPLE ARE 64 PERCENT OF PALM BAY AND BLACK PEOPLE ARE 16. NUMBERS DON'T REALLY REFLECT THE DEMOGRAPHICS. SO I LIKE THAT THE PALM BAY POLICE BROUGHT THOSE NUMBERS AND I LIKED COUNCILMAN JOHNSON'S RECOMMENDATION TO COME BACK IN SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR TO REEVALUATE AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE ISN'T A DISPARITY BETWEEN ARRESTS AND CITATIONS BETWEEN BLACK AND WHITE. AND I'D LIKE TO SEE MAYBE YOU KNOW OTHER DEMOGRAPHICS AS WELL NOT JUST BLACK AND WHITE, LATINO WHATEVER. BUT I DO LIKE THAT PALM BAY POLICE BROUGHT SOME NUMBERS UP. ALSO, I DON'T THINK MONEY SHOULD BE A FACTOR. I KEEP HEARING MONEY. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE WANT PEOPLE TO TAKE DRUGS SO WE CAN INVEST AND MAKE MONEY OFF OF THEM. YOU KNOW SAME WAY SHOULDN'T BE A MONEY SHOULDN'T BE A CONCERN. IT SHOULDN'T A PROFIT MOTIVE IN LIEU OF GIVING SOMEONE A SECOND CHANCE AND YOU COME FROM THE MEDICAL SIDE OF IT. I'M A PARAMEDIC. I SEE PEOPLE OVERDOSE ON HEROIN, PRESCRIPTION DRUGS ALL THE TIME. IT'S HIGH RIGHT NOW. YOU DON'T OVERDOSE ON WEED. I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU KNOW I'M AN ADVOCATE FOR CERTAIN THINGS BUT I'M NOT HERE TO DISPUTE TO SAY THAT. I'M JUST SAYING LIKE WEED IS WAY SAFER THAN HEROIN, PRESCRIPTION DRUGS. WE HAVE A PROBLEM. LET'S USE THE RESOURCES TOWARDS THAT AND GIVE THE POLICE A SECOND A DIFFERENT OPTION RIGHT NOW FOR THIS DRUG. THAT'S ALL I GOT TO  SAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I'M DR. JAMES [INAUDIBLE]. I LIVE ON THE EMERSON SPEEDWAY. I JUST WANTED TO BRING A COMMENT ABOUT THE CITATIONS THAT WOULD HELP WITH CONSISTENCY VERSUS SAY IN 60 PERCENT OF THESE PEOPLE STOPPED OR RELEASED BECAUSE I'D BENEFIT FROM THAT. AS HE WAS STATING, HE'S A BLACK MALE I'M A WHITE MALE. I'M GOING TO BENEFIT FROM THOSE KIND OF RELEASES COMPARED TO  IF CITATIONS ARE ISSUED CONSISTENTLY ACROSS THE BOARD. SO I THINK IT SHOWS A MORE IMPACTFUL ABILITY TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE ENFORCEMENT OF LAWS AS OPPOSED TO POSSIBLY MINORITY ISSUES WITH THAT. SO I JUST WANT TO BRING THAT UP. SECOND MY WIFE HAS DEMENTIA. SO I'VE RESEARCHED IT QUITE A BIT. SO FROM THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY WITH DEMENTIA THE THC COMPONENT NOT THE CBD COMPONENT HAS BEEN SHOWN TO HAVE SOME EFFECTS. AND SO WITH RESPECT TO THE PERSON THAT TALKED ABOUT THE PSYCHOSIS WITH MARIJUANA THERE'S ALSO LOTS OF ISSUES WITH OTHER MEDICAL CONDITIONS THAT MAY BENEFIT FROM THIS AND I'M SERIOUSLY RESEARCHING THIS FOR MY WIFE BECAUSE SHE'S AT END STAGE DEMENTIA. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISHES TO SPEAK? IF NOT.

MAYOR.

SMITH [INAUDIBLE]. I'M A MELBOURNE NEIGHBOR OF YOURS. I ALSO OWN A BRAND NEW BUSINESS

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CALLED [INAUDIBLE]. IT MEANS CANNABIS TRUTH IN LATIN. I AM A CANNABIS EDUCATOR AND MY QUESTION TO YOU ALL IS WHAT IS YOUR EDUCATION ABOUT CANNABIS? WHAT HAVE YOU RESEARCHED. DO YOU KNOW THE HISTORY? THE POLITICS, THE BOTANY AS WELL AS THE MEDICINAL ISSUES AND ALL OF THE IMMENSE THINGS THAT CANNABIS CAN DO FOR A SOCIETY THAT IT WAS DOING FOR MILLENNIUMS OF SOCIETIES BEFORE OURS. BEFORE THE LAST 80 YEARS OF PROHIBITION BECAUSE OF CORRUPT POLITICS, CORRUPT OLIGARCHS, CORRUPT AMERICAN OLIGARCHS AND POLITICIANS THAT JUST HAPPENED. WE CAN'T DENY IT. SO LET ME LEAVE YOU WITH THIS GOOGLE THE HISTORY OF CANNABIS AND YOU WILL COME UP WITH A GAZILLION BEAUTIFULLY DONE YOUTUBE VIDEOS THAT GIVE YOU AN EXQUISITE EDUCATION.

MINE, I'VE GOT OVER A THOUSAND HOURS IN THE BOTANY THE HISTORY THE POLITICS ALL OF IT AND I AM THE BRIDGE BETWEEN MY COMMUNITY IN MELBOURNE AND YOURS TOO I HOPE BETWEEN CANNABIS AND COMMUNITY I WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW THE TRUTH SO THAT THEY CAN BENEFIT AND I CAN HELP OUR SOCIETY CHANGE AND GROW. SO THANK YOU.

LOOK UP THE HISTORY. OK THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE]  THANK YOU MAYOR. I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS REAL QUICK. I KNOW MR MOORE MENTIONED THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE COST ASPECT AND THEN THIS WHOLE IDEA OF PROFIT. NEVER HAVE I THOUGHT THE PROGRAM SHOULD SEEK PROFIT. WHEN I WAS ADDRESSING IS THAT ONE OF THE KEY FACTORS THAT WAS PRESENTED WAS THAT THIS WAS GOING TO SAVE MONEY. IS EVEN PRESENTED HERE TONIGHT BY BROWARD COUNTY. THEY MADE A GOOD CASE FOR WHY IT WOULD SAVE THE COUNTY MONEY. WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THAT ARGUMENT TO ME IS OFF THE TABLE RIGHT NOW. I STILL THINK THAT THE COST ASPECT OF IT'S IMPORTANT ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE MARGINAL IMPACT OF IT IS VERY SMALL. WHAT I BELIEVE IS GONNA BE VERY SMALL AS FAR AS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. I THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE WORSE OFF. SOME PEOPLE ARE BEING LET GO  RIGHT NOW ARE GOING TO GET A CITATION. THEY'RE HAVE TO PAY THAT CITATION. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE SOMETHING ON THEIR RECORD. AND I'LL TALK TO YOU AFTER THE MEETING. BUT I JUST WANT FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PROFIT. AND I EVEN WHEN IT CAME TO PENALTIES LAST TIME I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BEING MORE AGGRESSIVE WITH PENALTIES. YOU CAN BE MORE AGGRESSIVE YOU'RE GONNA GET LESS OF A COLLECTION RATE. YOU KNOW IT CAN. IT CAN  COUNTERACT. AND MY SECOND CONCERN IS NOW WHAT DO WE DO WITH THOSE THOSE MONEYS. I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD BE GOING TO A PRIVATE CHARITY. THAT PART I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF BUT THAT'S YOU KNOW KIND OF GETTNG AHEAD OF OURSELVES A LITTLE BIT. SO AS WE MAKE THAT POINT VERY CLEAR IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PROFIT BUT DOES IT. IF WE'RE GOING  TO BE CHANGING THE POLICY FOR THE CITY WE HAVE TO CONSIDER WHAT THE, FOR ME AT LEAST, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER WHAT THE COSTS ARE ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WE'RE TRYING TO STEP IN FRONT OF WHAT THE STATE AND FEDERAL LAW HAVE ALREADY SET FOR US WHICH IS WHICH IS FINE CITIES ARE DOING THINGS OF THIS NATURE. I'M NOT SAYING THAT THIS IS COMPLETELY OFF THE TABLE BUT I'M JUST SAYING IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR ME AND A FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY FOR ME AS A COUNCILMAN THAT'S THAT'S MY PRIORITY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE RESPONSIBLE IN  EVERYTHING THAT WE DO. AND I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO THINK THAT NOW I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THERE SHOULD BE A LOT OF MONEY SAVED. THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY TRUE.

AND IN SECOND THING I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT EVEN WITH THE CIVIL CITATIONS WHEN IT  COMES TO ANY DIFFERENCES BETWEEN RACES OR MINORITY STOPS IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE OR BUT IT'S STILL DISCRETIONARY. IF YOU BELIEVE THAT A WHITE PERSON IS MORE LIKELY TO RECEIVE, NO TO GET OFF AND NOT BE ARRESTED,  YOU CAN STILL FEEL THE SAME THING ABOUT WHEN IT COMES TO CIVIL CITATION. IT REALLY IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE THOSE PERCEPTIONS AMONGST ANYBODY. BUT WHAT IS WHAT IS INTERESTING IF YOU LOOK AT THE DATA IT'S ACTUALLY THAT WHITE MALES ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE ARRESTED, FEMALES ARE LESS. I THINK IT'S MORE OF A MALE FEMALE RATIO OF FEMALES AND ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE LET GO WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR DATA. WHAT'S HAPPENED HERE IN ACTUALITY. AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE AS FAR AS THE ACTUAL ENCOUNTERS MORE WHITE MALES WERE ARRESTED AS A PERCENTAGE COMPARED TO THOSE WHO WERE ENCOUNTERED. BUT THEN THE QUESTION IS HOW THERE'S A PERCENTAGE OF MINORITIES ARE IN COUNT HOW MANY WHITES ARE ENCOUNTERED COMPARED TO MINORITIES. AND THERE'S THERE'S A LOT. THE POINT BEING IS THERE'S A LOT OF INTRICATE PIECES OF THE DATA. AND I'VE ASKED FOR THAT. YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY I ASKED CHIEF TO BRING THAT TONIGHT AND I THOUGHT WAS VERY IMPORTANT LAST MEETING, I STILL WANTED TO LOOK AT MORE DETAIL INCLUDING LIKE YOU SAID YOU WANTED MORE DETAIL REGARDING NO LATINOS OR HISPANICS. I THINK THE CHIEF SPOKE ALREADY ON THAT THAT IT'S NOT ACTUALLY RECORDED AS A RACE SO THEREFORE THEY DON'T  HAVE THAT PARTICULAR DATA IN FRONT OF THEM. IT PROBABLY WOULD TAKE IT THEY TRIED TO PULL FROM SOME OTHER PLACES TO TRY TO GUESS IF THEY COULD DO ANYTHING AT ALL. AND I THINK THE CHIEF IS ACTUALLY SAYING HE DOESN'T THINK YOU JUST CAN'T DO ANYTHING MORE THAN WHAT  THEY'VE DONE THEY'VE TRIED TO BREAK DOWN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND I APPRECIATE. BY WAY

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I APPRECIATE ALL THE EFFORT THAT THEY DID PUT INTO THAT. I KNEW THAT THEY HAD TO PUT A LOT INTO IT BUT THAT WAS IMPORTANT FOR US ALL TO SEE IT AND SEE WHAT TYPE IMPACT IT IS HAVING ON DIFFERENT DEMOGRAPHICS IN THE COMMUNITY. ANYHOW THERE'S A LOT OF POINTS THERE'S A LOT OF POINTS TO DISCUSS. BUT IN THE END AS FAR AS THE DISCRETION IT'S DISCRETION. AND SO AND IN THE END I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD DO ANYTHING TO TAKE AWAY DISCRETION FROM OFFICERS. WE'RE NOT SAYING NO MORE ARRESTS. SO THAT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE'LL DISCUSS IN THE  FUTURE SO ANYHOW JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I ADDRESSED AS WELL. OK. I'M GONNA GIVE THE PERSON WHO INTRODUCED THIS THE CLOSING. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO THINK STAFF, COUNSIL FOR CONSIDERING THIS. THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, POLICE DEPARTMENT, OUR COMMUNITY FOR COMING IN AND GIVING YOUR OPINIONS. I HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR. BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND WE'LL BE BACK HERE NEXT THURSDAY OR TWO WEEKS FROM THERE OR WHO KNOWS. BUT I WILL MAKE SURE THIS IS WELL DONE. THANK YOU FOR DRIVING UP, BROWARD COUNT. THIAT'S AN HOUR AND A HALF TWO HOURS ABOUT? 2 AND A HALF. DEPENDING ON TRAFFIC. YEAH RIGHT.

TAKING THE TIME TO PROVIDE THE INFORMATION YOU'VE PROVIDED FOR US. I'M DEFINITELY I'LL BE SPEAKING WITH YOU DURING THE DURATION OF PUTTING THIS TOGETHER BECAUSE I DO LIKE WHAT YOU PROVIDED AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE WE CAN FOLLOW SIMILAR SUIT. SO THANK YOU AGAIN EVERYONE. OK. ON THAT NOTE MEETING ADJOURNED.



* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.