Nov 02, 2023 Council Meetings - Regular

IT'S 1801 AND I'M GOING TO CALL THIS REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING.

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AND WE WILL BE LED BY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE BY BOY SCOUT TROOP 520.

AND WE'RE ALL GOING TO BE MOTIVATED AND AND INSPIRED BY OUR BOY SCOUT TROOP.

SO MAY YOU ALL PLEASE RISE.

THANK YOU FOR THE HONOR.

THANK YOU. I THINK THANK YOU.

PASTOR. FATHER, WE DO THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENCE OF YOUR HOLY SPIRIT THAT PERMEATES THE WHOLE OF THE WORLD IN THIS TIME WHERE WE ARE ASKING YOU FOR THE BLESSINGS, HERE WE COME WITH THE HEART OF THANKSGIVING, THAT THERE IS PEACE IN PALM BAY. THANK YOU FATHER.

WE THANK YOU FOR THE REALITY THAT BECAUSE THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED ON THE PRINCIPLES OF SERVING JESUS, PEACE HAS REIGNED MOST OF ITS LIFE.

FATHER WHILE WE ARE BASKING HERE IN THE BLESSING, AND WE DO ASK FOR THE BLESSING ON THE PROCEEDINGS HERE TODAY.

WE'RE NOT FORGETFUL OF THE FACT THAT ALL OVER THIS WORLD.

THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN WARS AND DIFFICULTIES AND SITUATIONS.

THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO CONFRONT.

SO IN THIS INVOCATION, FATHER, THAT WE COME TO YOUR PRESENCE IN THE THRONE OF GRACE.

WE'RE ASKING FOR PEACE.

WE'RE ASKING FOR PROTECTION ON INNOCENT LIVES.

WE'RE ASKING THAT YOU MOVE SUPERNATURALLY, REACHING HEARTS OF PEOPLE, TURNING HATRED INTO LOVE.

ANGER. INTO PEACE.

LET YOUR WILL BE DONE.

WE KNOW JESUS THAT YOU'RE COMING SOON.

WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR BLESSING.

AS YOU TRY TO REACH EVERY HEART IN THIS WORLD.

IN JESUS NAME, AMEN.

AMEN. AMEN. STEP RIGHT UP, GENTLEMEN.

GOOD AFTERNOON. IF YOU GUYS WOULD PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

FOR THE HONOR. THANK YOU.

BOY SCOUT TROOP 520.

WAY TO GO! GOING RIGHT INTO ROLL CALL. MS.. LEFFLER.

MAYOR. MEDINA. PRESENT.

DEPUTY MAYOR. FELIX HERE.

COUNCILMAN. JOHNSON.

HERE. COUNCILMAN. FOSTER.

HERE WE ARE, READY TO.

HEAR? MISS SMITH HERE.

THANK YOU. MA'AM.

[ANNOUNCEMENTS]

WE ONLY HAVE ONE ANNOUNCEMENT TODAY.

ONE TERM EXPIRING ON THE BAYFRONT COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY.

REPRESENT AT-LARGE POSITION.

ANYONE WISHING WISHING TO SERVE ON THIS BOARD CAN APPLY AT PALM BAY FLORIDA.ORG, OR CAN CONTACT THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE AT (321) 952-3414. NOW WE'RE ON AGENDA REVISIONS.

[AGENDA REVISIONS]

THANK YOU. MAYOR. I HAVE ONE AGENDA REVISION TO ANNOUNCE.

CONSIDERATION OF COUNCIL MEMBERS ATTENDING THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES LEGISLATIVE CONFERENCE IN ORLANDO HAS BEEN ADDED AS ITEM NUMBER ONE UNDER NEW BUSINESS.

THANK YOU. MA'AM.

ANYTHING ELSE? NO, SIR. MADAM SMITH.

[PROCLAMATIONS AND RECOGNITIONS]

SO BEFORE I READ THE PROCLAMATIONS, I'M GOING TO HAVE OUR BOY SCOUTS JOIN ME.

AND FOR A PICTURE OPPORTUNITY, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

COME ON UP, GUYS.

IT'S A PHOTO OP.

THESE ARE OUR FUTURE FUTURE LEADERS HERE.

COME ON IN.

YEAH. THANK YOU. THANKS, GUYS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

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ELIZABETH CARNEVALI.

WAS THAT GOOD? OH, WELL, COME ON UP, ELIZABETH.

NICE TO MEET YOU. COME ON UP HERE.

IT'S OKAY. YOU'RE TALLER THAN ME.

YES. IT'S ALL GOOD. I'M TALLER THAN MOST PEOPLE, SO THAT'S OKAY.

YOU WANT TO GO BACK DOWN? OH, NO.

I'M JUST TEASING IT. IT'S NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC INFORMATION SYSTEM DAY, NOVEMBER 15TH, 2023.

IT IS HEREBY PROCLAIMED BY THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA.

WHEREAS NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC GIS DAY, NOVEMBER 15TH, 2023, HELD IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE GEOGRAPHIC OR GEOGRAPHIC GEOGRAPHY AWARENESS WEEK, IS A GLOBAL EVENT THAT CELEBRATES GIS TECHNOLOGY AND USES GEOGRAPHY TO BRING COUNTLESS BENEFITS TO THE WORLD IN THE FIELDS OF SCIENCE, TECHNOLOGY, INFORMATION AND HUMANITIES.

AND WHEREAS, THE CITY OF PALM BAY RECOGNIZES THAT THE OUTSTANDING USE AND APPLICATION OF GEOSPATIAL GEOSPATIAL TECHNOLOGY IS CRUCIAL TO OPERATING OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, SUSTAINING OUR NATURAL RESOURCES, AND STIMULATING ECONOMIC GROWTH.

I'M ALL ABOUT STIMULATING ECONOMIC GROWTH, THUS BENEFITING THE WELFARE OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC THROUGHOUT FLORIDA'S EAST CENTRAL COAST.

AND WHEREAS GIS TECHNOLOGY ALLOWS US TO SEE A MODEL, COMPLEX RELATIONSHIPS AND PATTERNS TO MORE INTELLIGENTLY RESPOND, THERE IS A NEED, WHEREAS THERE IS A NEED TO PROMOTE GIS AWARENESS, EDUCATION, TECHNICAL TRAINING TO USE THIS RAPIDLY DEVELOPING TECHNOLOGY TO ITS FULL POTENTIAL. AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF PALM BAY ACKNOWLEDGES THOSE THAT HAVE CHOSEN GIS AS THEIR PROFESSION OR AS PART OF THEIR DISCIPLINE TO IMPROVE THE LIVES OF OUR CITIZENS.

AND WHEREAS GIS APPLICATIONS ARE HELPING TO SOLVE PROBLEMS RELATED TO THE ENVIRONMENT, TO UTILITIES, LAND USE, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, EDUCATION, PUBLIC SAFETY, AND ENABLING PLANNERS, ANALYSTS AND OTHERS TO MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS ABOUT THEIR COMMUNITIES.

AND WHEREAS, DEVOTING A DAY TO INCREASE GIS AWARENESS AND SHARE KNOWLEDGE TO HELP STUDENTS, CITIZENS AND DECISION MAKERS LEARN ABOUT THE VALUE OF GIS TECHNOLOGY AND PROMOTE ITS USE AMONG THESE GROUPS.

AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF PALM BAY IS COMMITTED TO USING GIS TO BETTER SERVE ITS CITIZENS AND MAKE USE OF USEFUL GEOGRAPHIC INFORMATION, OPEN AND EASILY AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC AS A PLATFORM FOR INNOVATION.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, ROBERT MEDINA, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BY VIRTUE OF THE AUTHORITY TO SET OFFICE, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM NOVEMBER 15TH AS NATIONAL GIS SYSTEM DAY OR GIS DAY, AND CALL UPON EACH CITIZEN IN PALM BAY TO JOIN AND CELEBRATE NATIONAL GIS DAY, NOVEMBER 15TH. I'VE SET MY HAND AND CAUSED THE SEAL OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY TO BE AFFIXED THIS SECOND DAY OF NOVEMBER, 2023. CONGRATULATIONS, MA'AM.

NOW, YOU WANT TO TELL US A LITTLE BIT? YES, I GREW UP WITH YOU.

AND YES, I USUALLY HAVE NO PROBLEM.

ALL RIGHT, I'M READY.

I THINK IT'S TALL ENOUGH.

YOU THINK MAYBE I'M BRINGING IT UP? GOT IT. I'M ON MY TIPPY TOES.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

GOOD EVENING.

I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO OUR CITY COUNCIL FOR RECOGNIZING NATIONAL GIS DAY, WHICH IS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER ON NOVEMBER 15TH.

MY NAME IS LIZ CARNEVALE OR CARNEVALE, AND I AM THE GEOGRAPHIC INFORMATION SYSTEMS MANAGER HERE AT THE CITY.

I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF WORKING WITH A FANTASTIC GROUP OF PEOPLE.

OUR TEAM CREATES MAPS.

BY THE WAY, I'M CALLING YOU GUYS OUT.

COME UP HERE AND STAND. OH, YEAH? YEAH, I'M CALLING MY TEAM OUT.

COME HERE. YOU ALMOST DID.

I SHOULD HAVE I WAS LIKE, NO, NO, THEY'RE COMING UP HERE.

OH, BROOKE. YEAH. COME ON UP.

SHE'S LIKE, NO, I'M GOOD.

I'M JUST. I'M OVER HERE.

ANYWAY, I HAVE A FANTASTIC GROUP THAT I WORK WITH EVERY SINGLE DAY.

THEY ARE WONDERFUL PEOPLE.

OUR TEAM CREATES MAPS AND ANALYZES DATA FOR ALMOST EVERY DEPARTMENT HERE AT THE CITY, FROM DESIGNING MAPS THAT GO BEFORE THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD TO CONDUCTING DATA ANALYSIS, DETERMINING OPTIMAL LOCATIONS FOR NEW FIRE STATIONS, TO ASSISTING OUR UTILITIES CREWS DURING EMERGENCIES LIKE BOIL WATER EVENTS.

WE ALSO CREATE SOME PRETTY COOL CITIZEN FOCUSED MAPS, SUCH AS OUR ONLINE CITY MAP AND OUR.

LIGHTS INTERACTIVE WEB MAP, WHICH IS COMING UP, I THINK, NEXT MONTH.

THESE ARE A FEW EXAMPLES OF THE COUNTLESS APPLICATIONS OF GIS.

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WE ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT THE WORK WE DO AND WE ARE EXCITED TO SHARE OUR WORLD WITH ALL OF YOU.

HAPPY NATIONAL GIS DAY.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

OVER HERE.

THIS IS GOOD. SO.

YEAH. COME ON OVER HERE. ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT. YEAH. YEAH, RIGHT.

YEAH. YOU'RE RIGHT.

YOU. AWESOME.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. YES, YOU DID IT VERY WELL.

VERY WELL. OH.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

OUTSTANDING. WITH THE PROCLAMATION AS GIS DAY, NOVEMBER 15TH.

[PUBLIC COMMENTS/RESPONSES ]

DEPUTY MAYOR. YES, MAYOR.

MR.. TIM BLAND FOLLOWS BY MR. BILL BATTEN. GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY.

I HOPE EVERYBODY IS WELL.

HAPPY HALLOWEEN.

A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO. UM, FIRST QUESTION IS WALDEN BOULEVARD.

HOW MUCH LONGER? I MEAN, IT'S BEEN OVER A MONTH.

WALDEN. IT'S A MAIN ARTERY FOR PEOPLE GOING TO ODYSSEY AND PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF GOING OUT TO HABITAT GOLF COURSE.

PLAY GOLF FOUR DAYS A WEEK.

SO, YOU KNOW, WACO, EMERSON AND BABCOCK ARE JUST HORRIBLE.

LET'S GET HER DONE.

I SEE IT JUST STARTED A COUPLE DAYS AGO.

LET'S GET IT DONE LONG ENOUGH.

PARKS AND REC. WHAT'S EVERYBODY HERE DOING ABOUT PARKS AND REC? YOU KNOW, THIS CITY IS GROWING, I THINK, EXPONENTIALLY.

ALL THE NEW HOUSING I SEE GOING UP.

WHAT ARE THESE PEOPLE GOING TO DO? WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO PLAY? GOLF? WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO PLAY? PICKLEBALL? WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO GO SHOPPING? WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO EAT? AT NICE RESTAURANTS.

OTHER THAN GOING TO MELBOURNE OR DOWN TO A LITTLE TOWN OF GRANT-VALKARIA TO PLAY GOLF? WHY CAN'T THIS CITY FIND INVESTORS TO BUILD RESTAURANTS, A DOWNTOWN, A GOLF COURSE? WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO YOU ALL? LET'S GET SOME ACTIVITIES FOR THE CITY RESIDENTS THAT VOTE FOR YOU.

PLEASE. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER.

MR.. BARTON. BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

AT THE LAST REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING, I VOICED MY CONCERNS ON MANDATORY HOOKUP TO WATER AND SEWER.

IN RESPONSE, I GOT A RANT ABOUT I AM A CONSTITUENT, NOT A COUNCIL MEMBER, BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THERE IS NO KNOWLEDGE BASIS TO MY COMMENTS.

I, I DO MY HOMEWORK BEFORE ADDRESSING THE CITY COUNCIL ON THIS TOPIC ALONE.

I HAVE WORKED WITH DIANE BURRELL FROM FLORIDA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY, AND SHE WORKED ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN 1988 FOR THE CITY, THE ENVIRONMENTAL PORTION.

I HAVE WORKED WITH BETH ORLANDI FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCES AT FIT FOR THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON STUDY, AND I HAVE WORKED WITH LISA LISA SOTO FROM THE MARINE RESOURCE COUNCIL ON SAVE OUR LAGOON.

JUST WITH THESE THREE NAMES ALONE, THAT EQUALS 22 YEARS EXPERIENCE IN ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY ON THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON. SO, RANDY FOSTER, YOU ASKED TELL YOU IF YOU ARE WRONG AND I BILL BATTEN, I'M HERE TONIGHT TO TELL YOU YOU ARE WRONG.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MISS PAT DALPRA.

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SINCE I LIVE IN THE NORTHEAST AND I'VE BEEN THERE SINCE 1978, MY FOCUS IS MAINLY ON THE NORTHEAST SECTION OF PALM BAY BECAUSE I DRIVE AROUND IT MOST OF THE TIME. I'M GOING BACK TO COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE MEETINGS THAT WE HAD AND THE RENDITIONS, THE PICTURES THAT EVERYBODY HAD WERE AWESOME.

AND BUT I ASKED THE QUESTION, WHERE ARE WE GOING TO GET THE MONEY FOR ALL THIS? AND THE PERSON ANSWERED, I DON'T KNOW.

SO I'M DRIVING AROUND.

WE NOT ONLY HAVE PROBLEMS WITH TRAFFIC BACKUP, BUT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE MEDIANS, THE OVERGROWTH AND MEDIANS AND THE SIDEWALKS.

THE SIDEWALKS ARE UNSAFE.

WE HAVE SIDEWALKS AND FALLON, EMERSON, JUPITER, BABCOCK THAT ARE NOT TAKEN CARE OF AT ALL.

SO MY QUESTION IS, DO WE HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO TAKE CARE OF ALL THIS? THE TRAFFIC BETWEEN MALABAR ROAD AND EMERSON MOST OF THE TIME IS A BOTTLENECK AND WE HAVE SIX LIGHTS BETWEEN THOSE TWO ROADS, BUT WE STILL KEEP BUILDING MORE APARTMENTS, MORE HOUSES.

SO HOW ARE WE GOING TO ADDRESS THAT? WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE OVER AND OVER AGAIN, BUT HOW ARE WE GOING TO FIX IT? THE WATER PROBLEM.

WE'VE HAD FLOODING.

SO PEOPLE HOW MANY PEOPLE DID WE HAVE LAST MEETING IN THE MEETING BEFORE TALK ABOUT FLOODING IN THEIR YARDS ON THE SIDEWALK.

HOW ARE WE GOING TO ADDRESS ALL THESE THINGS IF WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO FINISH THE ROADS? HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO THIS? AND MY LAST QUESTION IS WITH THIS SEWER AND SEPTIC.

IF WE GO TO SEWER, CAN YOU GUARANTEE THAT PALM BAY IS NOT GOING TO DUMP EXCESS SEWER INTO THE LAGOON? THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

PASTOR KEN DELGADO.

JUST A POINT OF UNDERSTANDING.

ON ON THE SEWER.

I PUT IN ANOTHER REQUEST TO SPEAK DURING THAT TIME.

YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S.

WE'RE NOT EVEN DISCUSSING THAT YET.

OKAY. THIS IS PUBLIC COMMENTS, RIGHT? ALL RIGHT. I WANT TO GO INTERNATIONAL AND YET STILL BE HERE.

AS YOU CAN TELL BY MY PRAYER, ISRAEL IS ON MY HEART.

AND A COUPLE OF QUICK OBSERVATIONS AND THOUGHTS.

IT IS INTERESTING THAT IN THE GREEK, THE WORD WITCHCRAFT IS WHERE WE GET THE WORD PHARMACEUTICALS FROM.

IT'S INTERESTING THAT AND NOT THAT PHARMACEUTICALS ARE BAD IN ITS PROPER USAGE, BUT IT'S ALSO INTERESTING THAT THEY USED THAT TO HAMAS, USED THAT TO THEN GO OUT AND TO DO ATROCITIES BEYOND OUR IMAGINATIONS.

JUST. WAY OUT THERE.

OBVIOUSLY, I'M COMING WITH A PARADIGM OF A CHRISTIAN BELIEF, AND I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE DEVILS.

WHETHER ONE PERSON BELIEVES THERE OR NOT.

ONE OF THE ONLY EXPLANATIONS I CAN HAVE THAT WITCHCRAFT DEALS WITH PHARMACEUTICALS, AND THAT WHEN WE SEE WHAT HAS HAPPENED, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY I CAN SOMEHOW UNDERSTAND.

HOW CAN A MAN DO THAT TO ANY OTHER HUMAN PERSON, WHETHER MALE, FEMALE OR CHILD? IT'S JUST HORRIBLE.

YET AT THE SAME TIME HERE LOCALLY, I COULD SAY THAT OUR POLICEMEN ALSO SEE THE WORST OF THE WORST.

AND I KNOW THAT JUST TO PROCESS THAT IS GOING TO BE ENORMOUS.

YOU END UP SOMETIMES WONDERING, IS THERE ANYTHING GOOD IN HUMANITY? THUS I HAVE HERE IN PSALMS 122, GIVE THANKS TO THE NAME OF THE LORD.

AND IT SAYS, PRAY FOR THE PEACE OF JERUSALEM.

MAY THEY PROSPER THOSE WHO LOVE YOU.

PEACE BE WITHIN YOUR WALLS.

AND IT'S INTERESTING THAT A LITTLE COUNTRY THE SIZE OF NEW JERSEY IS A FOCAL POINT OF WORLD POLITICS.

YES, THERE'S WARS IN OTHER PLACES, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE ISRAEL ALWAYS HAS THE THE BIGGEST EFFECT.

THE QUESTION WOULD BE WHY? MY BELIEF IS SIMPLY THAT THEY CARRIED THE WORD OF GOD.

GOD CHOSE HIM TO LET US KNOW ABOUT GOD.

AND ULTIMATELY, GOD IS A GOD OF LOVE.

SO AS WE AS I CHALLENGE PEOPLE TO PRAY FOR ISRAEL.

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TO KNOW JESUS IS TO KNOW LOVE.

TO KNOW LOVE IS TO GET ONE PERSON TO THE UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU CAN'T HATE YOUR NEIGHBOR, THAT YOU CAN'T COMMIT ATROCITIES. AND IF WE NEED A PRAYER TODAY, IT'S A PRAYER FOR AN AWAKENING THAT GOD WOULD APPEAR TO PEOPLE, THAT EYES WOULD BE OPEN, MINDS WOULD UNDERSTAND THE VEIL THAT BLINDS PEOPLE TO AN ANGER THAT'S UNCONTROLLABLE WILL BE REMOVED IN THE POWER OF JESUS NAME. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

NEXT SPEAKER, MR. ROBERT STICE.

CANADIAN COUNCIL.

ROBERT STEEVES, 1796 LYNBROOK DRIVE, SOUTHEAST.

I WANT TO CHAT ABOUT THE FORMER'S MAJOR'S GOLF COURSE.

THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN A QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUE FOR ME.

I APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT THAT LEADERSHIP PALM BAY LEADERSHIP HAS SHOWED US IN THIS.

YOU'LL REALIZE THAT ADDING ANOTHER 307 HOMES INSIDE BAYSIDE LAKE IS GOING TO CREATE GRIDLOCK, AND IT'S JUST GOING TO NOSEDIVE BAYSIDE LAKES AND HELP CEMENT A BEDROOM COMMUNITY, WHICH IS WHAT YOU DEFINITELY DO NOT WANT.

JUST A REMINDER HERE.

I KNOW WE'RE IN A LOW RIGHT NOW, AND I FEEL LIKE AND AGAIN, THIS IS IN MY OPINION, I FEEL LIKE THE PROCESS NOW IS TRYING TO WAIT EACH OTHER OUT.

BUT THE RED SHIRTS OF THE 17 HOMES THAT MAKE UP BAYSIDE LAKE IS STILL HERE.

HOPING THAT SOME COMMON SENSE WILL PREVAIL IN THE GOLF COURSE CAN BE SOLD AT A REASONABLE PRICE WITH PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY.

WE WILL DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO KEEP OUR HOMEOWNER DEVELOPMENT IN THERE LEGALLY PREVENT A HOMEOWNER DEVELOPMENT.

HOMES THAT WERE GOING IN THERE THE LAST TIME WERE CERTAINLY NOT COMPATIBLE WITH SOME OF THE HOMES THAT WE HAVE IN THERE.

AND PHASE ONE, TWO AND THREE, WHEN YOU HAVE A 4800 OR 3200 SQUARE FOOT HOME AND YOU'RE GOING TO JUST ABOUT 25 YARDS AWAY OR 50 YARDS AWAY, PUT A HOME IN THERE WITH 1800 SQUARE FEET.

IT'S SIMPLY NOT COMPATIBLE.

AND YOU ALL UNDERSTAND THAT.

THE QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUE IS WHAT WE'RE WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT NOW.

I CALL IT SUBURBAN GRIDLOCK, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE AN OXYMORON, BUT IT'S TRUE.

AND I WANT I'M ASKING YOU GUYS, I TALKED TO SOME OF YOU PRIVATELY TO LOOK AT THIS.

DO YOU HAVE A MORATORIUM ON ON BUILDING? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE ANSWER, BUT WE'VE BOTH SEEN WHAT OVERCROWDING DOES.

SCHOOLS. I'VE HAD MORE THAN ONE PERSON IN MY HOA SAID, YOU GO TO PUBLIX, IT'S LIKE THANKSGIVING EVERY DAY IN THERE.

YOU'RE CREATING GRIDLOCK AND YOU DON'T.

WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY.

THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS OBSOLETE WITH 450 PEOPLE CONTINUE TO COME IN EVERY MONTH.

SO A YEAR FROM NOW YOU'RE GOING TO ADD 5400 PEOPLE.

THREE. THREE YEARS FROM NOW IS 16,200.

FIRE. FIRE! EQUIPMENT. FIRE! MEN AND WOMEN. POLICE.

OKAY, YOU GOT TO.

YOU GOT TO SLOW DOWN ON ON THIS HERE AND DO IT SMARTLY.

CAN YOU NOT PROHIBIT IN ONE PARTICULAR AREA IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER AREA GOING IN BESIDE IT OR WITHIN.

EXCUSE ME, WITHIN THE SAME VICINITY.

DO YOU WANT TO LEAVE AND CREATE AN ABSOLUTELY UNSUSTAINABLE GRIDLOCK? PLEASE LOOK AT THAT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU.

NEXT SPEAKER. DEPUTY MAYOR.

MISS MARY LOU ROSS.

MARY RUSS, 2130 WINBROOK DRIVE, SOUTHEAST.

HONORABLE MAYOR MEDINA AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, CONGRATULATIONS ON A VERY SUCCESSFUL FALL FESTIVAL HELD AT FRED POPPY LAST SATURDAY.

THE EVENT WAS WELL ATTENDED WITH FAMILIES OF ALL BACKGROUNDS AND KIDS, AND MANY ADULTS IN CREATIVE COSTUMES.

OUR OWN MAYOR MEDINA, WAS THERE GREETING THE CITIZENS AND EVEN CONDUCTED THE CONTEST FOR THE BEST COSTUME.

MY HUSBAND, MATT AND I AND OTHERS PROVIDED A TENT FOR SEVERAL REPUBLICAN CLUBS OF BREVARD AND GAVE OUT CANDY TO THE KIDS AND MANY ADULTS.

IT WAS WONDERFUL TO SEE EVERYONE HAPPY AND COURTEOUS TO OTHERS AT OUR TENT.

WE HAD VOLUNTEERS WHO ARE AUTHORIZED TO PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ADULTS TO REGISTER TO VOTE.

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ONE WOMAN JUST RECENTLY RECEIVED HER CITIZENSHIP AND ANOTHER GENTLEMAN, A FELON WHO HAD MADE RESTITUTION, COMPLETED HIS REGISTRATION APPLICATION. WE ALSO MET MANY FAMILIES WHO VALUE THE PRINCIPLES REPRESENTED BY REPUBLICANS AND A CONSERVATIVE LIFESTYLE SUPPORTING LIFE.

THE FIRST AND SECOND AMENDMENTS IN THE CONSTITUTION AS A WHOLE.

WE THANK THE CITY OF PALM BAY FOR PROVIDING THIS FREE FESTIVAL FOR THE CITIZENS OF PALM BAY, THE GREATEST CITY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU MA'AM.

I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A KUDOS AND A SHOUT OUT TO PALM BAY PARKS, DANIEL WADE AND THE WHOLE TEAM AND AND ANDY DEMING, THE ENTIRE TEAM.

MA'AM, CAN YOU JUST SAY A FEW WORDS SINCE YOU OVERSEE THAT THAT DEPARTMENT? CERTAINLY, YES.

I COULDN'T AGREE MORE.

IT WAS A WONDERFULLY SUCCESSFUL EVENT PUT ON BY OUR RECREATION DEPARTMENT AND OUR PARKS AND FACILITIES DEPARTMENT.

WE ESTIMATE THAT WE HAD OVER 5000 ATTENDEES AT THAT EVENT, AND WE MIGHT HAVE BEEN OUR OUR LARGEST FALL FESTIVAL YET.

I WAS THERE AS WELL WITH MY CHILDREN AND I COULDN'T AGREE MORE.

IT WAS A WONDERFUL EVENT FOR OUR CITY AND OUR COMMUNITY.

SO MARK YOUR CALENDARS FOR NEXT YEAR.

DOES THAT CONCLUDE? PUBLIC SPEAKERS? YES, MAYOR. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR.

[PUBLIC HEARINGS]

ITEM NUMBER ONE, MS..

SMITH, ORDINANCE 20 2397, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, VACATING ABANDONING A PORTION OF THE REAR 20 FOOT PUBLIC UTILITY AND DRAINAGE EASEMENT LOCATED WITHIN LOT 11 BLOCK 2023, PORT MALABAR, UNIT 46.

ACCORDING TO THE PLAT THEREOF AS RECORDED IN PLAT BOOK 22, PAGE 62 OF THE PUBLIC RECORDS OF BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED HEREIN, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU, MISS SMITH. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT THEIR CASE.

HI. YES, GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY.

CITY COUNCIL, WE'RE NEW TO PALM BAY MOVED HERE.

WE'RE STARTING TO BELIEVE IT IS ALSO THE GREATEST CITY RIGHT NOW.

AND WE REALLY LOVE IT.

CLOSED ON OUR HOUSE IN JULY AND WE WERE TOLD THAT WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE A POOL.

I EXPLAINED PRIOR TO BUILDING THE HOUSE WHY WE NEEDED A POOL.

I'M IN MY DOCTORATES PROGRAM, HEALTH SCIENCE, AND I'M WORKING ON TECHNOLOGY TO BASICALLY ALLEVIATE MENTAL HEALTH AND OTHER MENTAL HEALTH DISORDERS.

ALSO, WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK INTO OPENING UP DAYCARE FACILITIES TO GIVE BACK TO PALM BAY TO OFFER THOSE TYPE OF COUNSELING SERVICES, ETCETERA.

AFTER WE CLOSED, WE WERE THEN TOLD WE COULD NOT HAVE A POOL.

WE ALSO WERE TOLD THAT THE NEIGHBOR TO THE LEFT OF US ALSO WAS ABLE TO VACATE THE EASEMENT ON THEIR PROPERTY, AND WE JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT DIDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. IT WAS SO BAD THAT THE REALTOR FELT HORRIBLE AND THIS IS HOW WE GOT HERE.

THEY ACTUALLY DID THE LEGWORK AND SENT US THE INFORMATION TO COME AND TALK TO TO THE CITY.

SO IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT THAT WE'RE ABLE TO BUILD THIS POOL AND JUST IT'S MORE OF A NEED.

IT'S TO GO BACK AND TO GIVE BACK.

AND IT'S REALLY A PART OF MY RESEARCH.

WHEREAS OCEANS AND PUBLIC PROPERTY, SOMETIMES IT'S NOT THE BEST ENVIRONMENT.

PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO WHERE THEY WANT, BE COMFORTABLE IN PUBLIC.

SO I CAN DO A LOT OF THAT RESEARCH AT HOME.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY REGARDING THAT.

THANK YOU MA'AM. COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? SEEING NONE COUNCILMAN FOSTER.

ANY QUESTIONS? NO, MA'AM. NO QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU MA'AM.

IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? OKAY. THANK YOU MA'AM.

ANYTHING ELSE YOU WOULD LIKE TO CONCLUDE WITH? NO. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

SEEING NONE, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK FOR A MOTION.

SO MOVED. SECOND, GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, GENTLEMEN? ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. PASSES FOUR ZERO.

CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU.

YOUR POOL. AND AND GOOD LUCK ON YOUR DOCTORATE.

THANK YOU. OUTSTANDING.

WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER TWO.

MISS SMITH, OR IS 2023 DASH 99 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA.

EXCUSE ME? AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, TITLE 17, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, CHAPTER 179 STREETS AND OTHER RIGHTS OF WAY.

SUBCHAPTER CREATING, IMPROVING, ALTERING, AND VACATING STREETS BY INCLUDING PROVISIONS RELATED TO CONDITIONS GOVERNING APPLICATIONS AND PROCEDURES.

PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT.

HEREWITH PROVIDING FOR INCLUSION IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

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PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU MA'AM, I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND DEFER TO MISS MOSCONI.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. THIS IS THE SECOND AND FINAL READING TO CODIFY AND BRING TO ORDINANCE THE CITY'S PROCESS FOR CREATING, IMPROVING, ALTERING, AND VACATING STREETS.

AND WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL.

COUNCILMAN. FOSTER.

ANY QUESTIONS? NO MAYOR. NO QUESTION.

THANK YOU. ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE. I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASKING FOR A MOTION.

SO MOVED. SECOND, GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. AYE.

PASSES FOUR ZERO.

WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER THREE.

MISS SMITH.

ORDINANCE 2020 3-1 HUNDRED, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, TITLE 17.

LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, CHAPTER 185 ZONING CODE SUBCHAPTERS.

GENERAL PROVISIONS AND DISTRICT REGULATIONS BY INCLUDING PROVISIONS FOR SMALL EVENT SPACE.

PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT.

HEREWITH PROVIDING FOR INCLUSION IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

CODE OF ORDINANCES PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE.

PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU, MISS SMITH.

I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND DONNA MOSCONI OR MISS MOSCONI.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

THIS IS THE SECOND AND FINAL READING TO ADD.

I'M SORRY TO ADD SMALL EVENT SPACE INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS? SEE, I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I CERTAINLY HAVE A COMMENT.

GENTLEMEN, YOU KNOW HOW I FELT ABOUT THIS.

WE HAVE ZONING THAT CAN CAN ALREADY EXIST FOR THIS PARTICULAR INDUSTRY THAT WE'RE CREATING.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH AN EVENT LIKE THIS AND HOW BIG IT CAN ACTUALLY GET.

UM, AT THIS POINT, I WANT TO ASK THE AUDIENCE IF THERE IS ANYONE THAT'S IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SUPPORT.

SPEAK ON THE APPROVAL OR DENIAL OF THIS SEEING NONE.

I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASKING FOR A MOTION.

SO MOVED. SECOND.

GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

ANY DISCUSSION? AGAIN, FOR THE RECORD, I THINK WE'RE GOING DOWN THE WRONG LANE.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. ALL OPPOSED.

NAY. NAY.

PASSES 3 TO 1.

WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR, MS..

SMITH. ORDNANCE 2020 3-101, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, TITLE 20 UTILITIES CODE BY CREATING A NEW CHAPTER 203 TO BE TITLED MANDATORY CONNECTION TO POTABLE WATER AND SEWER UTILITIES PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT.

HEREWITH PROVIDING FOR INCLUSION IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

CODE OF ORDINANCES PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE.

PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU, MISS SMITH. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK MS..

MOSCONI TO PRESENT THIS.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. THIS IS THE SECOND AND FINAL READING FOR AN ORDINANCE TO BRING MANDATORY CONNECTION FOR POTABLE WATER AND SEWER TO OUR CITY, IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY'S FUTURE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT.

AND WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

OKAY, SO.

I GUESS WE'LL HEAR FROM FROM THE FOLKS AND WE'LL ANSWER THE QUESTIONS AT THAT POINT.

ALL RIGHT. MA'AM, I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO MAKE IT PART OF THE PRESENTATION.

ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF AT THIS TIME? COUNCIL? NO.

MAYOR COUNCILMAN FOSTER.

ANY QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS.

OKAY. WE HAVE PUBLIC SPEAKER CARDS.

WE DO. DEPUTY MAYOR. YES, SIR.

MR. DANIEL O'BRIEN.

FOLLOWED BY MR. WHITE, NATHAN WHITE.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL.

I'M DANIEL O'BRIEN.

I'M A LICENSED PLUMBING CONTRACTOR.

FOR TEN YEARS, I SERVED ON THE FLORIDA GROUNDWATER ASSOCIATION BOARD OF DIRECTORS.

I'M A LANDOWNER HERE IN PALM BAY AND A RESIDENT HERE IN PALM BAY.

SO, JUST FOR JUST A SECOND, UM.

I'M NOT GOING TO REQUIRE SPEAKER CARDS ON THIS ITEM.

CARRY ON. OKAY.

I'M A RESIDENT OF THIS GREAT CITY, AND I ALSO HAVE THE DESIRE TO SEE WHAT'S BEST FOR OUR MUTUAL COMMUNITY.

WE LIVE IN A COUNTRY FOUNDED ON FREEDOM.

FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT, FREEDOM OF SPEECH, FREEDOM OF RELIGION AND FREEDOM OF CHOICE.

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SORRY ABOUT THIS.

TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION ABOUT MANDATORY HOOKUP STANDS IN CONTRAST TO FREEDOM OF CHOICE.

SHOULD NOT A PROPERTY OWNER HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE THE UTILITIES THAT THEY USE IN THEIR HOME? SHOULD COUNCIL MANDATE TO ONLY REQUIRE CITY TO USE ONE CABLE TV SERVICE, ONE INTERNET PROVIDER, ONE PHONE SERVICE, OR ONE METHOD TO GET WATER TO AND FROM THEIR HOMES? BECAUSE OF THIS, LEGISLATIVE BODY MANDATES IT.

IT IS THE EPITOME OF CAPITALISM TO ALLOW FREE CHOICE.

SO I CONTEND THE RESIDENTS SHOULD BE FREE TO DECIDE AND CODE MAKERS.

YOUR ACTION SHOULD NOT IMPAIR THE RESIDENTS FREEDOM OF CHOICE.

ALTHOUGH I'M CURRENTLY NOT ACTIVE WITH MY PLUMBING LICENSE, I HAVE SERVED MANY HOMES HERE IN PALM BAY THAT USE WELL WATER.

SOME HOMEOWNERS INTENTIONALLY CHOOSE WELL WATER FOR A MYRIAD OF REASONS, SOME OF WHICH THAT I'LL COVER.

SOME HAVE ALLERGIES TO CHLORINE AND OR CHLORAMINES.

SOME CITE THE COST.

SOME CITE THE POOR TASTE OF THE WATER WHEN IT, CHLORINE AND OTHER CHEMICALS ARE ADDED TO IT.

SOME DESIRE NOT TO RELY ON QUOTE UNQUOTE BIG BROTHER FOR WHAT THAT WHICH THEY CAN DO FOR THEMSELVES.

AS FOR ME PERSONALLY, I DO HAVE CITY WATER IN MY HOUSE, BUT.

BUT BASED UPON THE YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN THE PLUMBING TRADE AND MY KNOWLEDGE OF THE SCIENCE AND POTENTIAL HAZARDS ASSOCIATED WITH THE CITY'S WATER CHEMISTRY, I HAVE A LARGE COMMERCIAL SIZED CARBON FILTER TO ADDRESS THE CHLORINE TRIHALOMETHANES, WHICH ARE CARCINOGEN AND CHLORAMINES, WHICH CAN BE FOUND IN THE CITY WATER THAT ARE NOT NATURALLY OCCURRING AND ARE NOT PRESENT IN WELL WATER.

I THEN SOFTEN THE WATER WITH A RESIDENTIALLY SIZED WATER SOFTENER, AND MY DRINKING WATER IS FURTHER FILTERED THROUGH REVERSE OSMOSIS.

MY FAMILY DESERVES TO HAVE GOOD WATER REGARDLESS OF MY WATER SOURCE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THE QUALITY OF PALM BAY WATER DOES MEET FLORIDA'S DEP STANDARDS, YET IT IS NOT THE QUALITY OF WATER I DESIRE TO HAVE IN MY HOME.

MANY WHO DO NOT KNOW AS MUCH AS I DO ABOUT THE WATER CHEMISTRY MAY NAIVELY BELIEVE THAT BECAUSE IT'S PROCESSED BY THE CITY, THAT IT IS SUFFICIENT.

I DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE CONTAMINANTS IN MUNICIPAL WATER, WHICH I INTENTIONALLY CHOOSE TO HAVE REMOVED BEFORE MY FAMILY BATHES, IN WASHES, IN DRINKS, OR EVEN FLUSHES OUR TOILETS WITH.

IN THE EARLY 80S, GOULDS PUMPS HAD A SLOGAN WELL, WATER NATURALLY BETTER.

I IMPLORE THIS COUNTY TO NOT REQUIRE MANDATORY HOOKUP AND TO ALLOW THE SOUND OF FREEDOM TO RING.

HOWEVER, SHOULD YOU MOVE FORWARD, THE CODE SHOULD INCORPORATE PROPER WELL, ABANDONMENT.

I HAVE BEEN AT NUMEROUS HOMES THAT HAVE HAD CONNECTIONS TO CITY WATER, WHERE A WELL IS LEFT IMPROPERLY DISCONNECTED, AND IT BECOMES A POINT SOURCE OF CONTAMINATION FOR THE AQUIFER.

LASTLY, MY FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST IS IMPORTANT TO ME.

I REGULARLY SEEK GUIDANCE FROM SCRIPTURE, ALTHOUGH THE CONTEXT DIFFERS.

SOLOMON WRITES IN THE BOOK OF PROVERBS, CHAPTER FIVE VERSE 15, DRINK WATER FROM YOUR OWN CISTERN, RUNNING WATER FROM YOUR OWN WELL.

IF THE COUNCIL VOTES TO ACCEPT THIS ORDINANCE, COULD IT NOT BE VIEWED AS RESTRICTING ONE'S RELIGIOUS RIGHT TO DRINK RUNNING WATER FROM THEIR OWN WELL? IF COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO RESPOND.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU MA'AM.

MR. WHITE, DID YOU TAKE.

AND WE'RE GOING TO. OKAY.

NATHAN WHITE, 1301 SEABURY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

I, AS WELL AS A GREAT MANY OTHERS, MANY OF WHICH YOU WILL HEAR FROM TONIGHT, STAND FIRMLY OPPOSED TO THIS ORDINANCE, TO THIS MANDATE.

TO CLAIM THAT ALL SEPTIC SYSTEMS AND ALL DRINKING WATER WELLS OWNED BY RESIDENTS IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY POSE A THREAT OR A DANGER TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH IS PREPOSTEROUS AND INVASIVE ON OUR PERSONAL AND PROPERTY RIGHTS.

TO PASS A MANDATE UNILATERALLY NOT VOTED ON BY THE PEOPLE, WHICH IS, WE SEEM, WOULD SEEM LOGICAL FOR SOMETHING THAT CAUSES A DIRECT FINANCIAL BURDEN ON ALL HOMEOWNERS IN THE CITY.

BUT TO UNILATERALLY DECIDE THAT YOU MANDATE SOMETHING WHICH WILL COST RESIDENTS BETWEEN 10 AND $20,000.

AND TO SAY THAT THAT'S OKAY, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO TRY TO GET GRANT MONEY TO HELP THEM COVER IT, IS

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THAT WASN'T THAT LONG AGO.

AND NOW WE KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO COST OVER ONE OVER $220 MILLION TO DO THAT.

AND WE HAVE NO IDEA WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GET THE REST OF THAT MONEY.

SO TO SAY, DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT 10 TO $20,000 THAT YOU WILL BE MANDATED TO PAY FOR THIS THING, THAT YOU'RE BEING MANDATED TO DO, THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO DO, EVEN IF YOUR HOME WAS, FOR INSTANCE, BUILT RECENTLY AND YOU JUST PAID TO GET THAT WELL OR THAT SEPTIC SYSTEM, DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO ATTEMPT TO GET MONEY FROM ELSEWHERE TO HELP YOU PAY FOR WHAT WE ARE REQUIRING BY LAW.

IS COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE.

YOU WILL DROWN THIS CITY IN LAWSUITS.

I CAN GUARANTEE IT.

DON'T DO THAT TO US.

DON'T DO THAT TO THE CITY.

DON'T DO THAT TO THE CITY.

THAT IS THE PEOPLE OR THE CITY.

THAT IS THE GOVERNMENT.

IT IS NOT A WISE MOVE WHETHER THE MOTIVATIONS ARE POSITIVE OR NOT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU. MISS JANICE YOUNG.

SO. JENNY'S.

ONE SECOND. OKAY.

IS THAT OKAY? IS THAT THAT ONE? HI, MY NAME IS JANICE QIANG.

I LIVE ON ANGELA ROAD SOUTHEAST.

THE CITY OF PALM BAY SHOULD NOT FORCE US TO HAVE TO INVEST INTO SWITCHING INTO CITY.

INTO CITY WATER.

I MEAN, WHO HAS $10,000 PLUS TO SPEND TO SWITCH TO CITY WATER? PLUS, WE WILL NOW HAVE A BILL EVERY MONTH TO PAY FOR CITY WATER.

WE AS HOMEOWNERS SHOULD HAVE THE CHOICE OF WHETHER WE WANT TO HAVE CITY WATER OR NOT.

I MEAN, I AM VERY HAPPY WITH THE WATER I CURRENTLY HAVE, WHICH IS, WELL, WATER AND IT'S FREE AND I CAN USE AS MUCH WATER AS I NEED.

I'M A SINGLE MOTHER RAISING TWO KIDS ON MY OWN, WITH A THIRD ONE DUE IN DECEMBER.

I'M CURRENTLY NOT WORKING DUE TO COMPLICATIONS WITH THIS PREGNANCY.

I'M STRUGGLING TO KEEP A ROOF OVER ME AND MY KIDS HEAD AND FOOD ON THE TABLE AND STRUGGLING AS A SINGLE PARENT JUST TO MAKE ENDS MEET.

IF THIS GETS PASSED, IMAGINE WHAT IT WOULD DO TO ME AND MY FAMILY.

HOW WOULD WE MAKE ENDS MEET? HOW WOULD WE MAKE IT FINANCIALLY? PLEASE THINK ABOUT THE FAMILIES LIKE MINE THAT ARE STRUGGLING AND BARELY MAKING ENDS MEET, AND HOW PASSING THIS WOULD HURT SO MANY FAMILIES FINANCIALLY, ESPECIALLY MY FAMILY.

I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO KEEP MY, WELL, WATER AS A SINGLE MOM.

I COULD BARELY AFFORD TO GET BASIC THINGS I NEED FOR ME AND MY KIDS.

BUT ADDING THIS EXPENSE, I WON'T MAKE IT FINANCIALLY.

I'LL GO UNDER FINANCIALLY AND FORCING CITY WATER WILL HURT SO MANY FAMILIES FINANCIALLY, SO PLEASE CONSIDER NOT ENFORCING CITY WATER.

THANK YOU. MR. CHARLES HOLLINGER.

HONORABLE COUNCIL.

FELLOW RESIDENTS.

BLESS YOU. MY NAME IS CHARLES HOLLINGER.

I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF PALM BAY FOR 40 YEARS.

A FORMER EMPLOYEE OF HARRIS CORPORATION.

ENGINEER THERE. MY FIRST QUESTION IS, IS I HAVE NEVER KNOWN ANYTHING ABOUT THIS UNTIL TODAY.

MY NEIGHBOR JUST SPOKE, TOLD ME ABOUT THIS, AND I WAS WONDERING HOW THIS COUNCIL APPRIZED ALL THE RESIDENTS THAT WERE BEING AFFECTED BY THIS CHANGE IN THE WELL, WATER AND SEWAGE SYSTEM.

I KNOW I WAS NOT.

MY QUESTION IS, WAS THERE ANYTHING SENT TO THE RESIDENTS OF THIS CITY ABOUT THIS? I HAVE A QUESTION.

HAS THIS COUNCIL CONSIDERED TALKING TO THE EPA ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE WATER IN PALM BAY? HAS ANYONE TAKEN A TIME TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT WHAT THE QUALITY OF THE WATER WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DRINK? I DO NOT WANT TO HOOK UP TO THIS.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT OVER AT THE HARRIS CORPORATION CAMPUS, THERE ARE ACRES OF POLLUTED LAND THERE.

THE EPA HAS GRIDWORK OF WELLS ALL OVER THAT CAMPUS.

CHECKING THE WELL. WATER IS POLLUTED.

I DO NOT WANT TO HOOK UP TO THE SYSTEM.

I WANT THE CITY TO LET THE CITIZENS OF THIS TOWN KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON OVER THERE.

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I DO NOT WANT THIS WATER HOOKED UP TO MY HOUSE.

I WANT TO DRINK THE WATER THAT I HAVE AS CLEAN.

IT HAS NO IRON.

IT IS HARD. THERE'S NOTHING ELSE WRONG WITH IT.

I DON'T NEED TO HAVE WATER.

IT'S POLLUTED.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

PASTOR KEN DELGADO.

NUMBER FOUR, BECAUSE WE'RE SAYING, GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.

KEN DELGADO AND FIVE FOUR ANGELO ROAD SOUTHEAST.

I'D LIKE TO ECHO THE SENTIMENTS THAT SEEMS TO PERMEATE EVERY SPEAKER THAT HAS SPOKEN UP TO NOW THAT WE'RE TAKING A WRONG ROAD ON THIS, I UNDERSTAND THE THE REASONS BEHIND IT.

THE REASONS BEHIND IT, OF COURSE, IS GETTING MORE GRANTS.

IT'S ABOUT MONEY, OPPORTUNITY.

ET CETERA. BUT I THINK ANY TIME WE PUT MONEY ABOVE PEOPLE, THEN, THEN WE MAY WE MAY NEED TO STOP AND RECONSIDER. THERE IS A REASON WHY THEY SAY A SEWAGE THE THE FIELD OF A SEPTIC TANK NEEDS TO BE 150FT AWAY FROM A WELL, BECAUSE THAT'S ABOUT AS MUCH DISTANCE AS YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT ONE DOESN'T AFFECT THE OTHER.

AND YET WE'RE GOING TO POSTULATE THAT SOMEHOW IT'S GOING TO RUIN ALL OF OUR WELL WATER.

I DON'T AGREE.

I WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT THAT INDEED, IN THESE TIMES WHEN INFLATION IS GOING UP, WHEN RENT IS GOING UP, HOUSING IS GOING UP, FOOD IS GOING UP, YOU'RE ADDING AN EXPENSE TO A VAST MAJORITY OF PALM BAY ERS THAT THEY DID NOT BUDGET BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT AWARE, I WOULD SAY THE GENTLEMAN WHO JUST SPOKE WHO, WHO, WHO TOLD YOUR POPULATION, THE PEOPLE OF PALM BAY, THAT YOU WERE GOING TO ADDRESS THIS SITUATION.

DID YOU NOTIFY? I DID NOT RECEIVE A LETTER NOTIFYING THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE THIS ON ON TAP.

PARDON THE PUN.

UH, SO.

SO WE'RE MAKING A DECISION WITHOUT THE VOICE OF THOSE WHO ELECTED YOU.

WE'RE MAKING A DECISION BASED ON MONEY.

WE'RE MAKING A DECISION FOR GETTING THAT.

ALL OF THE FAMILIES THAT ALREADY ARE UP TO THEIR NECK IN TRYING TO MAKE ENDS MEET, ARE GOING TO BE SADDLED WITH ANOTHER COST.

I REMEMBER WHEN WHEN GARBAGE WAS REAL CHEAP AND AND JUST A LITTLE BIT AND JUST A LITTLE BIT.

AND NOW WE'RE PAYING 100 AND SOMETHING EVERY THREE MONTHS.

THAT'S GOING TO BE THE SAME WITH WATER.

WATER IS INDISPENSABLE.

WATER SHOULD BE FREE UNLESS WE DECIDE THAT WE WANT TO PAY FOR IT.

WATER IS A BASIC NEED FOR HUMANITY TO HOLD SOMEONE BY THE NECK SAYING, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE WATER ONLY IF YOU CAN PAY FOR IT IS A WRONG POSITION TO TAKE.

I WOULD SUGGEST YOU RECONSIDER YOUR POSITION.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE FOR FOR THOSE WHO ARE COMING IN AND ARE AWARE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PAY FOR WATER, THAT IF THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD A NEW HOUSE, YOU MUST HOOK UP THE WATER. OKAY.

IF THAT'S THAT'S THE CASE, FINE.

BUT FOR THOSE WHO ALREADY ARE HERE, FOR FREEDOM'S SAKE, FOR WATER SAKE, FOR THAT WHICH WE NEED ON AN EVERYDAY LIFE AND LIVING, TO SAY, I HAVE TO PAY FOR THE WATER THAT I NEED TO DRINK.

IS NOTHING LESS THAN EXTORTION.

SO I SUGGEST YOU BACK UP FOR A MINUTE.

RECALCULATE. AND GO BACK TO SQUARE ONE.

I DEFINITELY ARE NOT AGREEMENT WITH WITH THIS THIS POLICY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

MISS EILEEN. SEP.

THE. THANK YOU.

I'M A LITTLE EMOTIONAL. FORGET ABOUT IT.

MAYOR. COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS EILEEN CEP.

I LIVE AT 1233 OLD ROAD NORTHEAST IN THE PORT MALABAR COUNTRY CLUB.

THE LAST TIME I ADDRESSED THIS COUNCIL, I LET YOU KNOW THAT I WAS OPPOSED TO THIS BECAUSE WE'VE HAD SO MANY SEWAGE PROBLEMS LATELY THAT IT'S CLEAR WE DON'T.

WE CAN'T EVEN KEEP UP WITH WHAT WE HAVE.

OUR EXISTING SYSTEM IS OVERLOADED.

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ONE IS THAT IN PORT MALABAR COUNTRY CLUB, THERE IS NO WATER SAMPLING STATION, WHICH IS MANDATED BY THE CLEAN WATER ACT FROM 1948 AND THEN IN 72.

IT HAS NEVER BEEN CHECKED.

SO I HAVE CONTINUED CANVASING PEOPLE ABOUT WHETHER THEY DRINK TAP WATER AND EVERYBODY IS LIKE, OH NO.

OKAY. THE OTHER THING I LEARNED FROM THIS WOMAN WAS THAT IN PALM BAY, OUR SOLE DRINKING WATER SOURCE COMES FROM A 70 FOOT PUMP.

WE HAVE ONE.

WELL, THAT'S SUPPOSED TO ACCOMMODATE 130,000 PEOPLE.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AN INFRASTRUCTURE PROBLEM, AND PUTTING MORE DEMAND ON THE MUNICIPAL SYSTEMS AT THIS TIME IS TOTALLY RIDICULOUS. I CAN ALSO TELL YOU FROM A PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, I COME FROM CITY ISLAND IN THE BRONX.

I LIVED THERE ACROSS THE STREET FROM A PUMPING STATION WHERE ALL THE CHLORINE WAS PUT IN, AND THERE WERE TIMES THAT MY WATER WAS SO GREEN AND YOU COULD SMELL THE CHLORINE. YEAH, I WOUND UP WITH CANCER TWICE.

OKAY. AND AND PROBABLY 30% OF THE PEOPLE IN MY BUILDING HAD CANCER WITHIN YEARS OF ALL OF THAT CHLORINE GOING INTO THE SYSTEM.

CHLORINE MIMICS ESTROGEN IN OUR BODIES.

I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE REALIZE THAT.

AND WHEN IT'S NOT REGULATED PROPERLY, I DON'T KNOW HOW ONE WELL CAN DISTRIBUTE TO A CITY THIS LARGE AND NOT BECOME CONTAMINATED.

IF I COULD AFFORD A WELL, I WOULD HAVE IT BECAUSE I KNOW I COULD CLEAN IT.

KEEP IT REGULATED.

IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT POLLUTION THAT'S COMING OUT OF THESE SYSTEMS, SEPTICS CAN BE REGULATED.

WE HAD ELECTRIC BOXES THAT WE HAD TO TAKE OUT BECAUSE THE STATE OF FLORIDA SAID THEY'RE GOING TO CAUSE FIRES AND YOU CAN'T GET INSURANCE UNLESS YOU SWITCH THEM.

I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU CAN REGULATE THEM.

YOU CAN HAVE SOMEBODY CHECK AND MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE MAINTAINING THEIR SEPTICS.

BUT TO DEMAND THAT PEOPLE CHANGE THEIR SYSTEM INTO ONE THAT CAN EASILY BE CONTAMINATED, I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S POSSIBLE TO KEEP SAFE WATER OUT OF ONE.

WELL, FOR 130,000 PEOPLE.

I REALLY HOPE YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY AND NOT GO THROUGH WITH THIS MANDATE.

THANK YOU. MISS LAUREN BRUM.

FOLLOWS BY MELANIE CARTER.

MISS CARTER. HELLO.

I'VE BEEN. I'M LAUREN BROOM.

I LIVE IN SOUTHEAST PALM BAY, AND I DIDN'T PREPARE ANYTHING BECAUSE I JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS FINAL READING.

AS SOMEBODY PREVIOUSLY SAID, THERE WAS NO NOTIFICATION TO US HOMEOWNERS THAT WILL BE AFFECTED BY THIS BILL.

AND IT'S A FINANCIAL POTENTIAL BURDEN ON THOSE OF US OUT THERE.

WE HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW ABOUT THIS BEFORE YOU GUYS GET TO VOTE FOR US.

SO I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING ACTUALLY PREPARED.

YOU'LL HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S YOUR NEIGHBOR, MAYOR DOWN THE ROAD WHO'S ON A SEPTIC SYSTEM.

YOU KNOW WHO I'M TALKING ABOUT? THAT'S RELATED TO MEL BROOM, FORMER MAYOR OF PALM BAY IN THE MID 1990S.

AND THEY'LL BE AFFECTED FINANCIALLY, WHICH WOULD BE A VERY BIG FINANCIAL BURDEN ON THAT FAMILY.

I KNOW YOU DON'T KNOW THEIR PERSONAL LIVES, BUT THEY'RE FINANCIALLY BURDENED.

AND IF THEY WERE BURDENED WITH HAVING TO CONNECT TO SEWER BECAUSE OF THE MANDATE, AS ALL THE FAMILIES AND THIS NICE LADY HERE WAS BREAKING UP, BECAUSE THAT'S THE NATURE OF WHERE WE ARE IN THIS ECONOMY RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE MANDATED TO REPLACE OUR ROOF EVERY 15 YEARS OR WE DON'T RENEW OUR HOMEOWNER'S INSURANCE.

HOW ARE WE GOING TO COME UP WITH 30 GRAND TO REPLACE A ROOF? AUTO INSURANCE IS OUT OF THIS WORLD.

OUR STATE LEGISLATURE DOES NOT CARE ABOUT TAKING CARE OF US.

WE HAVE OUR BILLS ARE GOING UP, GOING UP, GOING UP.

YOU GO OUT TO A STORE ON BLACK FRIDAY AND FLAT SCREEN TVS ARE ON SALE.

BUT FOOD IS NOT.

FOOD HAS GONE UP.

AND ALL OF OUR FAMILIES, WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT SUNTREE VIERA, WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY THAT THOSE PEOPLE UP THERE HAVE.

WE'RE LOWER MIDDLE CLASS IN PALM BAY.

WE'RE WORKING HARD.

MULTIPLE PEOPLE IN A HOUSEHOLD WORKING.

MY 19 YEAR OLD IS WORKING WHILE I'M WORKING AND MY HUSBAND IS WORKING.

SO FINANCIAL BURDENS.

MY SISTER HAS LIVED IN SOUTHEAST PALM BAY SINCE 1994, AND SHE HAS FOUR CHILDREN.

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IF YOU MANDATE SHE HAS TO CONNECT, SHE WILL NOT HAVE THE MONEY.

SHE BARELY MAKES IT.

AND SHE WORKS FOR THE EARLY LEARNING COALITION.

SHE'S DOING CHILD CARE, FIGURING OUT IF PEOPLE GET CHILD CARE, HELP.

BUT SHE DOESN'T GET ANY HELP.

AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO MANDATE STUFF ON MORE PEOPLE IN CITIZENS AND OUR OUR CITY.

AND THAT'S I MEAN, THERE'S NO CHOICE.

AND MY BACKGROUND I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.

I USED TO WORK FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH FOR 17 YEARS.

I HAVE A PUBLIC HEALTH BACKGROUND.

I HAVE A BACHELOR'S IN BIOLOGY, AND I'M A REGISTERED SANITARIAN.

I DID SEPTIC TANK PERMITTING FOR PART OF MY LIFE THERE, AND I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM WITH THE SEPTIC SYSTEMS, BUT TO MANDATE PEOPLE THAT HAVE HAD SYSTEMS IN THE GROUND FOR 20 TO 30 YEARS AND THEY TAKE CARE OF THEM AND HAVE THEM PUMPED OUT EVERY 3 TO 5 YEARS, AND THEY KNOW THAT IT'S WORKING FINE TO MANDATE THAT THEY HAVE TO FINANCIALLY PUT OUT 20 TO $30,000 TO CONNECT.

IT USED TO BE THAT IF SEWER CAME BY, YOU DID NOT HAVE TO CONNECT.

YOU HAD A CHOICE.

THAT'S THE WORD HE SAID RIGHT THERE.

CHOICE. THE STATE RULE WAS ALWAYS YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO CONNECT UNLESS YOUR SEPTIC SYSTEM FAILED.

THEN YOU COULD NOT GET A REPAIR PERMIT FOR YOUR SEPTIC SYSTEM, BUT YOU COULD GO 15 YEARS WITH YOUR SEPTIC SYSTEM UNTIL IT FAILED, AND THEN YOU'D HAVE TO CONNECT TO SEWER. THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN MANDATING EVERYBODY CONNECT NO MATTER WHAT.

EVEN IF YOUR SYSTEM COULD LAST ANOTHER 20 YEARS IN THE GROUND AND WELL WATER WAS NEVER MANDATED, THAT'S A MANDATE YOU GUYS WANT TO DO.

YOU COULD ALWAYS KEEP YOUR WELL, AND IF YOUR WELL FAILED, THEN YOU WOULD CONNECT TO PUBLIC WATER.

SO TO MANDATE THAT SOMETHING'S WORKING FINE FINANCIALLY, PUT THAT BURDEN ON.

IT'S GOING TO AFFECT YOUR FAMILIES.

YOUR FAMILIES ARE AFFECTED ALREADY.

I'M TELLING YOU, THIS ECONOMY THAT EVERYBODY THINKS IS DOING REALLY WELL IS NOT EVERYBODY'S TIGHT.

WE HAVE A CREDIT CARD CRISIS COMING.

EVERYBODY'S LIVING ON CREDIT CARDS AND HOME EQUITY LOANS.

JUST TO TELL YOU THAT IT'S ALL A HOUSE OF CARDS.

IT'S GOING TO FALL JUST LIKE THE STUDENT LOANS.

AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY PEOPLE'S CREDIT CARDS BACK.

IS THAT WHERE WE'RE GOING IN THIS WORLD, WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO PUT MORE FINANCIAL BURDEN ON OUR FAMILIES HERE? THAT I MEAN, THAT'S HOW I'M A MIDDLE CLASS.

MY DAD MOVED HERE IN 1984.

I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE I WAS SEVEN YEARS OLD, SO I JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GO.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO MANDATE THIS, IT'S GOING TO AFFECT PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, JUST DOWN THE ROAD FROM WHERE YOU LIVE.

TO MY SISTER, WHO'S BEEN ON A SEPTIC AND A WELL SINCE 1994, WAY DOWN IN SOUTHEAST PALM BAY SHE'S VERY HAPPY WITH IT.

WE LOVE OUR WELL WATER.

WE TAKE CARE OF OUR SEPTIC SYSTEMS. SO THE MANDATE WOULD BE VERY HURTFUL TO ALL OF US DOWN IN THAT AREA OF PALM BAY.

AND WE WOULD HAVE APPRECIATED THAT.

THE CITY. HAD NOTIFIED US BEFORE YOU'D MAKE THIS DECISION FOR THE REST OF US.

YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE.

WE VOTED YOU IN AS CONSTITUENTS, RIGHT? YOU'RE VOTED IN BY YOUR CONSTITUENTS.

AND THE REASON WHY PEOPLE GET VERY UPSET IN THIS CITY IS BECAUSE YOU GUYS VOTE ON THINGS.

AND IT'S LIKE, I SWEAR IT'S ALL A BARTER SYSTEM.

I'LL VOTE ON YOUR BILL.

IF YOU VOTE ON MY BILL OR I'LL GIVE YOU MONEY OR SOMEBODY'S GIVING PEOPLE MONEY.

AND I'M SICK OF POLITICS BEING THAT WAY AND RUNNING OUR LIVES AND TELLING US WHAT TO DO.

THAT I WISH I COULD RUN FOR CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE WE NEED TO TAKE PEOPLE OUT THAT ARE CAREER POLITICIANS THAT JUST DON'T ACT LIKE YOU UNDERSTAND THE REST OF US DOWN HERE ANYMORE. I'M DONE WITH LOCAL, CITY, COUNTY, STATE, FEDERAL.

IT'S ALL THE SAME.

AND YOU GUYS DO HAVE AN EFFECT ON OUR LIVES.

AND THIS WOULD BE A VERY LARGE EFFECT ON US.

SO I WISH AND I HOPE THAT YOU GUYS WILL LISTEN TO ALL OF US AND HOPE THAT YOU GUYS WILL REMOVE THIS BURDEN FROM US.

THIS IS NOT A GOOD TIME.

REMEMBER THE MANDATE BEFORE AND IT WENT AWAY DURING THE HOUSING MARKET CRASH.

IT WAS I WAS HERE BEFORE FOR THE LAST TIME THAT YOU GUYS TRIED TO MANDATE THIS.

AND THIS IS JUST NOT A GOOD TIME FINANCIALLY FOR FAMILIES TO ACTUALLY MANDATE THIS RIGHT NOW.

OKAY, SO I HOPE THAT YOU GUYS LISTEN.

AND I MEAN, I HAVE A PUBLIC HEALTH BACKGROUND.

I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM ON THE SCIENCE SIDE, BUT YOU CAN'T FINANCIALLY.

YOU CAN'T TAKE PUBLIC HEALTH AND GO WAY OVER HERE WITH PUBLIC HEALTH AND SCIENCE AND FORGET ABOUT THE REST OF LIFE AND WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE HAS TO DEAL WITH.

I WAS THAT WAY WITH COVID.

I THOUGHT PUBLIC HEALTH COMPLETELY TOOK OVER ON COVID AND MANDATE VACCINES AND ALL THIS OTHER CRAP.

WHEN YOU FORGET ABOUT PEOPLE HAVING THE CHOICE THAT THEY WANT TO MAKE AND THE FREEDOM, THAT'S WHAT OUR COUNTRY IS BUILT ON, ISN'T IT?

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SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

THANK YOU FOR THE TIME TONIGHT.

THANK YOU. MISS CARTER.

GOOD EVENING.

I STAND BEFORE YOU TODAY AS THE WOMAN MELANIE CARTER.

THE PROPERTY OF I IS 1833 SARACEN AVENUE, SOUTHEAST PALM BAY AND 520 WATERMAN LANE, SOUTHEAST PALM BAY.

IN REGARD TO ORDINANCE 2023-101, LET IT BE KNOWN THAT I DO CONSIDER ANY ATTEMPT TO ENFORCE SAID ORDINANCE UPON I TO BE TRESPASS BY WAY OF HARM, EXTORTION, AND BARRATRY, AND I WOULD PUT FORTH A CLAIM FOR SAID TRESPASS IN THE AMOUNT OF $50,000, PLUS $500 PER DAY FOR THE DURATION OF TIME, SAID TRESPASS DOES CONTINUE.

I SAY ALL HEREIN BE TRUE AND WILL VERIFY AT OPEN COURT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. HE'S DANIEL MCCOY.

DANIELLE MCCOY.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS DANIELLE MCCOY.

I LIVE AT A PROTECTED ADDRESS HERE IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY, SOUTHEAST.

I HAVE BEEN IN THE CITY LIVING IN PALM BAY FOR SINCE 1987.

THIS IS THE SECOND TIME THAT SOMETHING IMPORTANT HAS COME UP TO YOU AS A COUNCIL MEMBER.

AND I HAD NO NOTICE OF IT.

NOTHING. AS OTHER PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED HERE, NO NOTIFICATION, NO INFORMATION.

MY FIRST INFORMATION ON THIS, I FOUND OUT AT NOON TODAY THROUGH FACEBOOK.

SO FINDING OUT THROUGH FACEBOOK THAT THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF ME HAVING TO COME UP WITH BETWEEN 10 AND $20,000 TO PAY FOR SOMETHING THAT'S ON YOUR BILL, BECAUSE YOU GUYS MIGHT DECIDE TO CHOOSE TO VOTE FOR THIS TONIGHT.

YOU'RE MAKING A DECISION.

AND FOR ME TO FIND OUT LESS THAN 24 HOURS NOTICE, THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE.

AND YOU HAVE NO NOTICE TO THE CITY AND THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY ON SOMETHING THAT THIS DRASTIC, ON SOMETHING THAT WILL AFFECT EVERYBODY.

THAT'S JUST NOT RIGHT.

IT'S KIND OF IRONIC COMING TO THIS TODAY.

WE HAD THE PROCLAMATION EARLIER ABOUT THE GIS DAY AND HOW, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CELEBRATING OUR UTILITY GROUP AND THE HOW THEY MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THE NOTIFICATIONS OR BOIL WATER NOTICES.

AND YET I DON'T GET INFORMATION ABOUT THIS.

HOW ARE YOU GOING TO BE ABLE TO NOTIFY PEOPLE THE ENTIRE CITY? OH, YOU HAVE TO BOIL YOUR WATER, BUT YOU CAN'T NOTIFY.

HEY, WE'RE VOTING ON SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO COST YOU $20,000 TONIGHT.

UM. SORRY.

SORRY. THESE ARE NOTES I WROTE UP IN THE 30 MINUTES I SAT HERE TO DISCUSS WITH YOU.

IN SHORT, I MEAN, I IMPLORE YOU TO VOTE NO FOR THIS.

THERE I WAS, READING THE NOTIFICATION AND THE DISCUSSION THAT WAS PUT OUT ABOUT HOW THERE'S AN ALLEVIATION.

WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO ALLEVIATE THE COST BURDEN.

THE COST BURDEN FOR ME, FOR WATER RIGHT NOW IS ZERO COST BURDEN.

IF THIS GOES INTO PLACE, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO PAY FOR THE INSTALLATION.

AND ONCE IT'S INSTALLED, THERE'S GOING TO BE A MONTHLY BILL, EVEN IF I DON'T USE IT, IF I GO OUT ON VACATION, I COME HOME.

I'M GOING TO HAVE A MONTHLY MINIMUM BILL.

THIS HAPPENED IN MY FAMILY UP IN MELBOURNE.

SAME THING. UM, MINIMUM BILLING SEPTIC.

MY COST RIGHT NOW IS THERE.

I DO HAVE AN ANAEROBIC SYSTEM, SO I HAVE TO HAVE IT MONITORED, BUT IT'S MONITORED.

SOMEBODY COMES IN AND TAKES A LOOK AT IT.

I HAVE TO PAY THE STATE TO HAVE IT MONITORED BY THE BY THE COUNTY.

I HAVE TO PAY THE COUNTY.

IT'S UP TO CODE.

YOU GUYS HAD A SEPTIC SPILL LAST MONTH OF 100,000 GALLONS.

I DIDN'T HAVE A SPILL OF 100,000 GALLONS.

SO. THE FOCUS ALSO IS SET ON ELIMINATING THE EXISTING SEPTIC SYSTEMS.

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YOU GUYS CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE YOUR MANAGE YOUR CURRENT LOAD AS SOMEBODY ELSE ALREADY MENTIONED.

100,000 GALLON SPILL.

I DO NOT WANT THE SYSTEM.

I DO WILL NOT VOLUNTARILY DO THIS.

I DON'T WANT OR NEED THE CITY WATER OR CITY SEPTIC.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU. MISS FOLATE TRAIL.

GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.

MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS.

SO MY NAME IS FOLEY TRAIL.

I'M A NEW RESIDENT IN PALM BAY.

JUST MOVED THERE TWO MONTHS AGO.

AND THE REASON WHY I'M HERE.

WELL, I JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS MEETING TODAY, WHICH I'M GLAD THAT I CAME TO CHECK ABOUT A WATER BILL AND OUTRAGEOUS WATER BILL THAT I GOT, UM, WHICH COMES TO $178.

AND SO I CAME TO FIND OUT ABOUT THIS BILL, AND I WAS TOLD THAT I CONSUME 8000 GALLONS, 8000 GALLON OF WATER IN 23 DAYS, WHICH I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT.

BUT ANYWAYS, MY CONCERN IS WHEN I ASK ABOUT THE BILL, I WAS TOLD THAT WHETHER OR NOT EVEN IF I DON'T USE A DROP OF WATER, THE CITY IS CHARGING ME $80 PER MONTH WHETHER I USE THE WATER OR NOT.

ANYWAYS, I DIDN'T HAVE THE CHANCE TO DO MY DUE DILIGENCE BECAUSE I JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS TODAY AND I.

I GUESS I HAVE TO GO TO THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT OR WHOEVER COMES UP WITH THE BILL TO FIND OUT HOW IS THE BILL GENERATED FOR ME TO BE CHARGED A FLAT RATE OF $80 A MONTH, WHETHER I USE THE WATER OR NOT? BUT AS I SAID, RIGHT NOW, I'M SPEAKING FROM AN INFORMED PLACE BECAUSE I DIDN'T GET THE CHANCE TO DO MY DUE DILIGENCE TO FIND OUT HOW IT WORKS.

BECAUSE I'M NEW FROM IN THE CITY, I JUST MOVED FROM SOUTH FLORIDA AND THINGS ARE KIND OF DIFFERENT DOWN THERE.

AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT REALLY CONCERNS ME, IN ADDITION TO THIS OUTRAGEOUS WATER BILL, IS THAT WHEN I ASKED TO SEE THE CITY OFFICIALS, I WAS TOLD THAT THEY ONLY WORK PART TIME.

SO THAT WAS ANOTHER NEW FOR ME BECAUSE I AM TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW CAN THE CITY OFFICIALS WORK PART TIME, AND THEN HOW CAN THEY MAKE DECISIONS ON MY BEHALF OR THE CITIZENS BEHALF WHEN THEY HAVE ANOTHER JOB THAT CONSUMES THEIR TIME? SO YOU HAVE TO TRY AND HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT I AM NOT UNDERSTANDING OF, AS I SAID, OF THE CITY, BECAUSE I JUST MOVED HERE.

MAYBE YOU GUYS CAN DIRECT ME WHO I CAN SPEAK TO SO I CAN BE BETTER INFORMED ABOUT HOW THE CITY RUNS.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK? RAISE YOUR HAND.

SO I'LL START WITH THE YOUNG LADY BACK THERE.

AND THEN. BUTCH, YOU'D BE NEXT.

YES, MA'AM. AND THEN PASTOR BETSY AND THE MARINE NEXT TO YOU.

AND MASTER CHIEF.

I GOT I'M ORGANIZING THIS, SIR.

SO AS YOU WERE.

CARRY ON. YES, MA'AM.

HELLO. I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT HAVING MORE PREPARATION OR KNOWING HOW TO DO THIS PROPERLY.

I LIVE IN SOUTH WEST BAY.

I LIVED HERE FOR TWO YEARS.

THE LADIES WHO LIVE BEHIND ME HAVE LIVED HERE FOR 30 PLUS.

AND THEY ASKED THAT I WOULD COME TODAY.

THEY ARE ON FIXED INCOMES AND THEY CANNOT AFFORD ANYTHING WE'RE NOT AGAINST ON OUR LITTLE CORNER.

WE'RE NOT AGAINST BEING ON SEWER OR ON CITY WATER.

THERE'S JUST ABSOLUTELY NO WAY WE COULD EVEN AFFORD A $3,000 ATTACHMENT.

WE CAN'T EVEN AFFORD TO GET NEW AERATORS FOR OUR WELLS, OR THEY CAN'T BEHIND US WITH THEIR FIXED INCOMES.

SO JUST CONSIDER THAT THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO'VE BEEN HERE FOR 30 PLUS YEARS.

COULDN'T EVEN COME HERE TONIGHT.

THEY'RE ON FIXED INCOMES.

THIS WOULD DO THEM IN COMPLETELY.

SO CONSIDER THAT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU MA'AM.

THANK YOU BUTCH.

WHICH RAN TO 19.

CARRY ON. SIR, I'M JUST TRYING TO KNOW IF HE'S POINTING AT ME OR WHAT.

PUT YOUR RAM TO 19 TRENTON AVENUE.

AS YOU GUYS RECALL, YOU BROUGHT THIS UP AT THE LAST MEETING FOR A FIRST VOTE.

THERE WAS MAYBE SIX PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT.

NOW THE CITIZENS HAVE BEEN INFORMED AND THEY'RE SPEAKING TO YOU.

I ENCOURAGE YOU TO LISTEN TO THEM.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

I AM THE WIFE OF THAT WONDERFUL MAN WHO ALWAYS IS ALWAYS HERE PRAYING FOR YOU ALL.

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YOU TAKE CARE OF YOUR PEOPLE AND THE PEOPLE WILL TAKE CARE OF YOU.

YOU LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE AND THEY WILL LISTEN TO YOU.

WE TRUST YOU.

JUST LIKE SOMEBODY BEHIND ME SAID.

WE VOTED FOR YOU.

BECAUSE WE WANT SOME CHANGE.

FOR THIS TYPE OF DECISION TO BE MADE THAT WILL AFFECT.

THE ENTIRE CITY OF PALM BAY.

IT IS ABSOLUTELY WRONG.

WE JUST DON'T. THAT IS NOT THE WAY WE WORK.

THAT'S NOT THE WAY WE OPERATE.

YOU'RE NOT AN ISLAND TO YOURSELF.

YOU ARE RIGHT HERE.

THE THE PEOPLE OF OF PALM BAY NEED TO.

THEY SPEAK, THEY SPEAK.

YOU LISTEN. MY MOTHER, WHO'S 88 YEARS OLD, LIVES IN PALM BAY.

SHE LIVES OF PINEWOOD.

SHE LIVES IN ONE OF THE SOUTHLAKE TOWERS.

UH, TWICE.

HER WATER HAD TO BE SHUT OFF.

FROM 8:00 IN THE MORNING TO 5:00 IN THE EVENING.

THE FIRST TIME SHE WAS NOTIFIED.

THE SECOND TIME. NO NOTIFICATION THAT MORNING.

SO. I'M LISTENING.

I'M WATCHING.

WE'VE BEEN HERE. WE HAVE LIVED IN PALM BAY FOR OVER 40 YEARS.

WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL WELL, WE DO NOT PAY WATER AND I'M NOT LOOKING FORWARD TO PAYING A WATER BILL.

AND WHEN I HEAR MANDATORY, WHEN I HEAR A MANDATE IS COMING DOWN IMMEDIATELY, WE'RE GOING TO RESIST BECAUSE WE DON'T COME AND SAY TO US, THIS IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE WAY WE OPERATE.

PALM BAY IS A CITY THAT CARES.

PALM BAY IS A BEAUTIFUL CITY, IS THE BEST CITY IN THE ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH.

AND LET'S KEEP IT LIKE THAT.

LET'S KEEP IT THAT WAY.

SO AGAIN, LISTEN TO YOUR TO YOUR TO THE PEOPLE OF PALM BAY.

YOU WILL YOU TAKE CARE OF THEM? WE WILL TAKE CARE OF YOU.

YOU LISTEN TO US AND CONSIDER WHAT THESE WONDERFUL PEOPLE AND I KNOW ONE THING, ONE WHEN ONE PERSON IS ASKING OR VOICING A CONCERN, THAT PERSON IS SPEAKING FOR A GROUP OF PEOPLE, NOT JUST NOT JUST THAT ONE PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL.

SO BEHIND ME, WE HAVE A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO FEEL THE SAME WAY THAT WE FEEL.

SO WE BEG YOU.

WE ASK YOU. WE IMPLORE YOU.

PLEASE RECONSIDER.

DO NOT BRING THIS MANDATE OVER THE PEOPLE OF PALM BAY.

WE DON'T LIKE TO BE FORCED.

GIVE THEM A CHOICE.

FREEDOM. AMEN.

WOULD YOU SAY? YES. YES.

AMEN. ABSOLUTELY.

I AGREE WITH YOU.

AMEN. THANK YOU.

JESUS. AMEN. MY NAME IS BENJAMIN ECKERT.

I'M A KIND OF DO A 180, NOT BE ANGRY AND ACTUALLY VOICE THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

SO I LIVE IN NORTHWEST PALM BAY AND I'M A, AS THE LOCALS CALL IT, TRANSPLANT.

I HEARD THEM TALKING ABOUT THE ECONOMY.

I PERSONALLY THINK IT'S AMAZING HERE.

HALF MY COWORKERS ARE ACTUALLY MOVING TO PALM BAY BECAUSE IT'S GROWING AND IT'S A GREAT PLACE FOR ENGINEERS.

YOU KEEP TALKING ABOUT YOU WANT CORPORATE HERE.

YOU WANT ENGINEERS TO MOVE IN HERE.

YOU WANT BUSINESS OWNERS TO MOVE IN HERE.

WHEN YOU GO TALK TO PEOPLE AT ALL THE ENGINEERING FIRMS, THEY TALK ABOUT THE SECTOR LEAKING.

JUST A QUICK GOOGLE SEARCH.

I'M PRETTY SURE BATTEN'S GOING TO THROW A BUNCH OF FACTS OUT, BUT JUST A QUICK ONE WAS 400,000 POUNDS OF NITROGEN A YEAR FROM SEPTIC TANKS. NOW THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT KEEP THEIR SEPTIC TANKS UNDER CONTROL, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE EITHER IGNORANT.

I'M NOT SAYING IGNORANT IN A BAD WAY, THEY JUST DON'T KNOW THE PROPER WAY TO TAKE CARE OF IT.

THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DON'T TAKE CARE OF IT.

YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO SPEND MONEY TO REPLACE IT.

WE KEEP SPENDING MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS.

I JUST MOVED HERE LAST YEAR AND I STARTED LOOKING A LONG TIME LISTENER.

I'VE WATCHED ALL THE MEETINGS BACK TO 2019.

I LIKE WHAT YOU'RE DOING, BUT.

THEY'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO SPEND MONEY.

AND I THINK THAT WHEN YOU COME SOMEPLACE, YOU SHOULD TRY TO MAKE IT BETTER.

YOU ARE AN ALPHA, RIGHT? I WAS SIGMA LAMBDA BETA AND NOT NOT D9, BUT SIGMAS STARTED US, AND YOU WERE A MARINE.

WE SHOULD ALWAYS FIGHT TO MAKE SOMETHING BETTER THAN WHERE IT WAS, REGARDLESS OF THE PUSHBACK.

THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON.

I MEAN, THIS IS JUST ONE SMALL PIECE OF IT, BUT ONE STEP IS THE RIGHT WAY.

WE'RE ALREADY SPENDING MILLIONS ON BAFFLE BOXES.

I THINK EVERY SMALL THING WE SHOULD DO, WE ARE.

I WAS BLOWN AWAY WHEN I MOVED HERE, AND I SAW THAT WE HAD A WATER QUALITY OF AN APPARENTLY THAT WENT UP.

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I LOVE IT HERE. AND IT'S JUST THIS MANDATE I THINK WILL ACTUALLY HELP US MOVE FORWARD.

I'VE LIVED IN SEVERAL STATES, AND THIS AREA HAS THE MOST SEPTIC TANKS THAT I'VE EVER SEEN.

YOU CAN GOOGLE FLORIDA SEPTIC ISSUES AND IT'S A MAJOR PROBLEM.

I'M ALL FOR IT.

I KNOW IT'S NOT PUBLIC OPINION.

I JUST WANTED, AS SHE SAID, SPEAK UP FOR THE PEOPLE THAT AREN'T HERE.

THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT REALLY WANT TO GET THIS DONE BECAUSE WE WANT TO KEEP OUR AQUIFERS CLEAN, AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

THANK YOU, MARINE MASTER CHIEF.

BILL BATTEN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

A LOT OF THE DILEMMAS THAT THE CITY OF PALM BAY IS FACING WITH RIGHT NOW WAS ORIGINALLY ADDRESSED, AND IT WAS ADDRESSED IN THE 1988 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT YOU'RE NOW DEALING WITH WERE ADDRESSED IN THERE.

BUT I FOUND THAT THEY WERE TAKING OUT BECAUSE IT PUT RESTRICTIONS ON THE AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENTS, THE AMOUNT OF SEPTIC TANKS AND SO FORTH THAT YOU COULD HAVE ON ANY STREET. SO YOU TOOK THAT OUT BECAUSE YOU WANTED THE DOLLAR FROM THE DEVELOPMENT, AND NOW YOU'RE FACING PAYING THE PRICE.

AND IF ANYBODY WANTS TO GO THAT, I'LL BE GLAD TO SHOW ON PAGE ITEM AND LINE ITEM VERBATIM.

RIGHT. NEXT THING I'M GOING TO TALK TO YOU IS OUT OF THE KNOWLEDGE BASE AGAIN INSTEAD OF EMOTIONAL BASE, THIS COMES THE STATEMENT I'M GOING TO COME MAKE COMES FROM BREVARD COUNTY GROUNDWATER MONITORING.

THIS REPORT WAS PAID FOR BY THE FLORIDA DEP AND THE SAVE OUR INDIAN RIVER LAGOON PROJECT PLAN REPORT.

EXCUSE ME, I APOLOGIZE, I SHOULD HAVE WORN MY GLASSES.

THIS COMES FROM THE SUMMARY OF THAT REPORT UNDER THE SORREL.

SAVE OUR INDIAN RIVER, INDIAN RIVER, LAGOON.

SEPTIC AND RECLAIMED COMMUNITIES WERE EQUALLY POLLUTING IN THIS STUDY, BUT SEWER COMMUNITIES ALSO HAD HIGH GROUNDWATER NUTRIENT CONCENTRATIONS.

SOME SEWER COMMUNITIES HAD NUTRIENT CONCENTRATIONS HIGHER THAN THOSE IN SEPTIC COMMUNITIES.

OF THE FIVE SEWER COMMUNITIES INVESTIGATED AS PART OF THIS STUDY, TURKEY CREEK HAD THE HIGHEST NUTRIENT CONCENTRATIONS.

THE TURKEY CREEK SEWER COMMUNITY HAD TWICE AS MUCH ORGANIC NITROGEN AS THE OTHER SEWER COMMUNITIES IN THE STUDY, AND THREE TIMES MORE REACTIVE PHOSPHORUS.

IN FACT, TURKEY CREEK, THE SEWER COMMUNITY, HAD HIGHER ORGANIC NITROGEN CONCENTRATIONS THAN THE SEPTIC COMMUNITY IN THE SAME REGION.

ISOTOPIC SOURCES APPEARED TO BE SYNTHETIC FERTILIZERS.

OTHER SOURCES APPEARED TO BE HIGHLY ENRICHED WASTEWATER, POSSIBLY AS A RESULT OF LEAKING SEWAGE LINES. SO HERE WE ARE.

I'M UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.

YOU WANT FEDERAL GRANT MONEY.

AND IN ORDER TO GET THAT, YOU HAVE TO MANDATE THAT THE SKEPTICS HOOK UP TO SEWER.

THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE AFTER.

AND I'M GOING TO BE READDRESSING AS WE COME UP UNDER CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. IN ORDER FOR YOU TO GET THAT.

I JUST I'M BASING MY INPUT BASED ON THE STUDIES FROM YOUR SOCIETY, OF YOUR EXPERTS, AND THEY'RE TELLING YOU THAT IT'S NOT JUST THE SEPTIC SYSTEM THAT'S CAUSING THE PROBLEM.

IN FACT, IT'S YOUR WATER TREATMENT.

PLANTS ARE CAUSING THE PROBLEM AND YOUR FERTILIZER CAUSING THE PROBLEMS. AND THE FACT THAT HUMAN LIFE IS HERE IN THIS AREA IS CAUSING THE PROBLEM.

SO WHEN YOU'RE MANDATING THAT THE SEPTIC PERSON WHO'S HAS A GOOD WORKING SYSTEM, IT'S NOT FREE.

A SEPTIC SYSTEM IS EXPENSIVE.

IT COSTS YOU A LOT OF MONEY TO PUT IT IN, AND IT COSTS YOU A LOT OF MONEY TO MAINTAIN IT.

AND YOUR WATER SYSTEM THAT YOU HAVE COMING OUT OF YOUR PRIVATE WELL ALSO IS EXPENSIVE.

IT IS NOT A FREE COST.

IT COSTS THAT HOMEOWNER A LOT OF MONEY TO PUT IT IN AND THEN TO SAY, WELL, WE'RE NOW GOING TO PUT ANOTHER BURDEN ON YOU BECAUSE WE CAN'T GET GRANT MONEY BECAUSE YOU'RE STILL ON SEPTIC SYSTEM.

THAT'S THE WRONG APPROACH TO HUMAN LANDOWNER'S RIGHTS.

AND I WILL BE ADDRESSING IT MORE IN UP AND COMING ITEMS. BUT AS I SAID EARLIER, I TRY TO BASE MY INPUT BASED OFF MY KNOWLEDGE BASE, NOT MY EMOTIONAL BASE.

AND I HAVE ALL OF THESE REPORTS.

I ONLY PULLED THREE, BUT I HAVE MANY, MANY OTHER REPORTS, AND I'M WILLING TO BET THAT MOST COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO SIT UP HERE DIDN'T EVEN READ THE ACTUAL REPORTS.

THEY'RE LISTENING TO THEIR REPRESENTATIVE THAT'S PUSHING THEM ON HOW TO GET THEIR FEDERAL GRANT MONEY.

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THANK YOU. OKAY, SO I BELIEVE THIS GENTLEMAN AND MS..

CONNELLY. ANYONE ELSE AFTER THEM.

THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU, CITY COUNCIL AND THE PEOPLE OF PALM BAY.

IT'S BEEN A VERY INTERESTING EVENING TO LISTEN TO EVERYONE SPEAK.

MY NAME IS KEN PARKS.

I'M A DIRECTOR AT MARINE RESOURCES COUNCIL.

3275 DIXIE HIGHWAY, NORTHEAST PALM BAY.

OUR MISSION IS RESTORING BALANCE TO THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON AND ITS COMMUNITY, WHICH MOST OF US KNOW IS SUFFERING FROM NUTRIENT POLLUTION.

NUTRIENTS SUCH AS NITROGEN AND PHOSPHORUS IN LARGE DOSES KILL MARINE HABITATS SEAGRASS, FISH, DOLPHINS, STINGRAYS, CRABS, AND, IF LEFT UNCHECKED, HUMAN BEINGS.

FORTUNATELY, WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT EXPERIENCE TO ANY LARGE DEGREE YET.

SEPTIC TANKS ARE FOR HOMES THAT DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO SEWER.

IN THE OPINION OF OUR ORGANIZATION, A SHORT TIME AGO, THAT WAS THE CASE IN WHAT IS PALM BAY AND ALL ACROSS FLORIDA, SEPTIC SYSTEMS WERE COMMON, BUT POPULATION WAS A FRACTION OF WHAT IT IS TODAY.

SEPTIC SYSTEMS ARE NOT PERFECT.

THEY LEAK AND THE POLLUTED WATER THAT LEAKS FROM THEM DRAINS INTO OUR GROUNDWATER AND INTO THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON.

FLORIDA NOW REQUIRES THAT BY 2030.

PROPERTY OWNERS WITH TRADITIONAL SEPTIC SYSTEMS TRANSITIONED TO SEWER SYSTEMS OR AN ENHANCED NUTRIENT REDUCING SYSTEM.

THAT'S A SHORT TIME FROM NOW.

WE AT MARINE RESOURCES COUNCIL, AS OF TODAY, HAVE 562 MEMBERS, MANY OF THEM LARGE ORGANIZATIONS WITH THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE COMMUNITY AT IN THEIR THEIR HEARTS AND AS THEIR MISSION TO PROTECT.

WE SALUTE THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE FORWARD LOOKING COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT STAFF OF THE CITY FOR TAKING THE LEAD IN LOWERING THE IMPACT OF MUNICIPAL DEVELOPMENT UPON OUR ENVIRONMENT, ESPECIALLY THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON.

LIVING IN A CITY AND USING CENTRALIZED SEWER MAKES SENSE, AS DOES USING POTABLE WATER FOR MANY REASONS.

THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS.

SOME HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED TONIGHT AND I THINK A PERSONALLY I RESPECT THOSE EXCEPTIONS, BUT GENERALLY THIS IS BETTER FOR THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE.

IT MAKES SENSE FOR THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON AND WILL EXCUSE ME AND WILL HELP MAKE THE WATER CLEANER AND ALLOW MORE FISH AND WILDLIFE TO LIVE HERE AND FOR PROPERTY VALUES AND PEOPLE TO HAVE A BETTER QUALITY OF LIFE.

IT MAKES SENSE FOR HOMEOWNERS TO.

WHILE THERE IS A COST, PALM BAY HAS BEEN PROGRESSIVE IN INCENTIVIZING THIS CONVERSION, SUCH AS THOSE WITH THEIR STORIES. TONIGHT, WE HOPE THAT YOU WILL CONTINUE THE PRACTICE OF LISTENING TO PEOPLE AS YOU HAVE IN THE PAST.

WE STAND BY AS AN ORGANIZATION TO ASSIST YOU IN ANY WAY IN THIS PROCESS THAT WE CAN.

WE BELIEVE THAT THESE CONVERSIONS COME WITH LIVING IN A 21ST CENTURY COMMUNITY, SUCH AS WE LIVE IN, WITH CENTRALIZED SEWER AND SAFE POTABLE WATER AND ADEQUATE WASTEWATER AND STORMWATER TREATMENT UPGRADES, BY THE WAY, WHICH ARE UNDERWAY ALL ACROSS THE LAGOON REGION RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE PROGRESS THAT'S BEEN MADE RECENTLY IN PALM BAY, IS A LEADER IN THAT REGARD AS WELL, TOO.

FLORIDA USED TO BE MOSTLY RURAL.

TODAY IT IS NOT, AND IT IS NATURAL TO MAKE THE MOVE TO CENTRALIZED SEWER SERVICES.

EXCUSE ME? SERVICES AND POTABLE WATER.

MARINE RESOURCES COUNCIL HOPES THAT TONIGHT YOU WILL VOTE TO PASS YOUR PROGRESSIVE AND SENSIBLE SEPTIC TO SEWER CONVERSION ORDINANCE, INCLUDING POTABLE WATER, WHILE WHILE WE'RE LISTENING AND ADDRESSING INDIVIDUAL CONCERNS SUCH AS THOSE EXPRESSED TONIGHT, WE'RE AN ORGANIZATION THAT WAS FOUNDED BY THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SPOKEN TONIGHT, AND WE WERE FOUNDED BECAUSE OUR LAGOON WAS DYING.

THE LAGOON IS DOING BETTER, AND MUCH OF IT IS BECAUSE OF SEPTIC CONVERSION.

AND WE THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

HELLO. MY NAME IS SUSAN CONNOLLY.

I COME TODAY AS A CITIZEN AND ALSO AS A MEMBER OF OUR PALM BAY SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY BOARD.

I'M HERE WITH JANE HIGGINS, WHO ALSO IS HERE FOR THE BOARD, AND I COME TO THANK YOU FOR THIS HISTORIC

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I THINK IT'S INEVITABLE THAT THIS DECISION BE MADE AND THAT TO IMPROVE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND TO HELP OUR ENVIRONMENT.

I THINK FROM THE COMMENTS.

UH, THAT WE'VE ALL HEARD AND.

YOU HAVE TO BE MOVED.

YOU HAVE TO.

I KNOW I AM, SO I THINK THERE ARE THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN.

UH, AS MR. BATTEN POINTED OUT, NUTRIENT POLLUTION.

IT'S A BROADER ISSUE THAN JUST IT JUST CAN'T BE FIXED BY THIS MANDATORY CONVERSION, THAT THERE ARE OTHER PROGRAMS AND WAYS TO RESOLVE THIS PROBLEM.

I THINK AS THE CITY MOVES FORWARD, WHICH YOU HAVE TO DO IN THESE CONVERSIONS, I THINK IT WOULD AS A CITIZEN, IT WOULD MAKE ME HAVE MORE CONFIDENCE IN MY COUNCIL IF YOU WOULD ADDRESS SOME OF THESE OTHER, OTHER PROGRAMS, OTHER WAYS THAT CAN ADDRESS THE BIGGER ISSUE AND DEAL WITH THE ROOT CAUSES OF THEM.

I THINK WE HAVE TIME TO BE DIFFERENT AND TO BE BETTER.

I KNOW THAT, AS MR. PARK SAID, THAT THERE IS MONEY AVAILABLE AND THAT WITH THE WITH THE DECISION TO MANDATORILY HOOK UP, THAT MONEY WILL BECOME AVAILABLE TO THE CITY TO TO DO THE CONVERSIONS.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOUGH, THAT MONEY SOMEHOW BE USED TO HELP THE OWNERS. I THINK ONE QUESTION THAT COULD BE ANSWERED FOR THE CITIZENS MAYBE TONIGHT IS WHAT WILL THIS TRULY COST? AND IF WE KNOW THE CITIZENS ARE GOING TO PAY BOTH FOR SEWER AND WATER? LET'S HAVE HEART.

LET'S START PROGRAMS THAT WILL, LIKE MR. PARK SAID, INCENTIVE INCENTIVIZE THE HOOKUP.

BUT ALSO.

PLEASE, COUNSEL.

IT'S NOT JUST THIS CONVERSION, IT'S IT'S EVERY ASPECT OF LIVING THAT'S BEING MANDATED NOW FROM THE ROOFS, THE INSURANCE, THE FOOD. PEOPLE ARE STRUGGLING.

THERE ARE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AVAILABLE.

TO HELP THE CITY DO THIS.

THERE HAS GOT TO BE A WAY TO HELP CITIZENS IN THE HERE AND NOW.

AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT THIS IS EQUALLY AS IMPORTANT.

THESE TYPES OF DECISIONS AS THE DECISIONS TO DO THE MANDATORY HOOKUP.

I'D ALSO LIKE TO SAY THAT THIS IS PROBABLY A DECISION THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN MADE BY PREVIOUS COUNCIL.

SO I DO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE YOU AND COMMEND YOU FOR THE DECISION THAT IS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.

AND I THINK IT IS A IT IS A COURAGEOUS IT IS A COURAGEOUS MOMENT FOR EACH OF YOU.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? OKAY. MADAM MOSCONI, THERE'S SEVERAL QUESTIONS I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO ADDRESS THAT WERE SPOKEN AND AND ASKED.

SO I'LL LET YOU RUN DOWN THE GAMUT IF YOU WANT TO DO A BRIEF PRESENTATION, TAKE YOUR LIBERTIES.

BUT I THINK THAT THE CITIZENS NEED TO KNOW WHETHER WE HAVE TO DO THE SAME THING WE DID AT THE FIRST HEARING, BUT CARRY ON. THANK YOU SIR.

I'M GOING TO FIRST TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE A GENERAL OVERVIEW OF THE PROGRAM AND TRY TO CLARIFY WHAT WAS IN THE LEGISLATIVE MEMO AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

AND I'VE ALSO WRITTEN DOWN ALL OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED, AND I'LL DO MY BEST TO ANSWER THEM.

CALL UP STAFF IF I NEED TO.

FIRST, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE PROGRAM THAT WE'RE PROPOSING AND WHY IT IS DIFFERENT FROM THE PROGRAM THAT WE PROPOSED IN 2019.

THE STATE OF FLORIDA, THROUGH FLORIDA STATUTES, DOES MANDATE THAT RESIDENTS MUST CONNECT TO WASTEWATER TREATMENT SYSTEMS WITHIN ONE YEAR OF BEING NOTIFIED OF SUCH SYSTEM BECOMING AVAILABLE.

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STATUTE, WHERE WE WERE SEVERAL YEARS AGO WAS NOT HAVING THE ABILITY TO OFFSET THE COST TO THE RESIDENTS.

WHERE WE ARE AT NOW IS THROUGH ARPA FUNDS AND ALSO THROUGH A STATE LEGISLATIVE APPROPRIATION, WHICH IS ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA AS WELL. CONSENT ITEM NUMBER TEN, I BELIEVE 12.

THANK YOU. SORRY.

WE ARE LOOKING TO OFFSET THE COSTS FOR ALL RESIDENTS WHO HAVE SEWER AVAILABLE, NOT CONNECTED IN A PHASED APPROACH WITHIN ONE YEAR OF NOTICE, THAT THEY HAVE SEWER AVAILABLE AND ARE MANDATED TO CONNECT, AND THE ONLY COST WOULD BE $100 FOR A DEPOSIT. NOW THERE ARE 1066 PARCELS RIGHT NOW THAT HAVE SEWER AVAILABLE BUT ARE NOT CONNECTED.

THERE ARE 2344 PARCELS RIGHT NOW THAT HAVE WATER AVAILABLE, NOT CONNECTED.

THERE ARE ONLY 289 PARCELS THAT HAVE BOTH SEWER AND WATER AVAILABLE AND ARE NOT CONNECTED.

SO WHAT OUR STAFF HAS DONE IS WE'VE LOOKED AT WHERE THESE PARCELS ARE, AND WE'VE COME UP WITH A PHASED APPROACH OVER THE COURSE OF FOUR YEARS WHERE WE WOULD ONLY NOTICE THE REQUIREMENT TO CONNECT.

FOR A SET NUMBER OF PARCELS AT A TIME.

PHASE ONE IS GOING TO COVER 347 SEWER AVAILABLE, NOT CONNECTED AND 545 WATER AVAILABLE, NOT CONNECTED WITH THE FUNDING OF ARPA FUNDS AND THE SEPTIC TO SEWER STATE LEGISLATIVE APPROPRIATION THAT WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT, WE HOPE TO OFFSET THE SEWER CONNECTION COSTS FOR THOSE RESIDENTS.

AGAIN, IT WOULD BE $100 DEPOSIT ONLY FOR THE WATER CONNECTION.

THE WATER CONNECTION WOULD COME THROUGH THE CITY'S HOME RULE.

IT IS NOT A FLORIDA STATUTE MANDATED REQUIREMENT.

THE COST FOR THE WATER WE HAVE ONLY.

AS FOR THE CONNECTION OUR ESTIMATES, BECAUSE IT IS DEPENDENT ON WHERE A PROPERTY OWNER'S WELL IS LOCATED ON THEIR PROPERTY, HOW FAR IT IS FROM THE LINE THAT THEY WOULD BE CONNECTING TO THE FEES RELATED TO THE WATER CONNECTION. LET ME JUST GIVE YOU THE ESTIMATE THAT I HAVE.

THERE IS A WATER METER FEE AND DEPOSIT TO THE CITY.

THAT WOULD BE $886.

WHETHER THE WELL WOULD BE ABANDONED OR SIMPLY CAPPED WOULD BE DETERMINED BY SAINT JOHNS RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.

THEY ARE THE REGULATING AGENCY THAT DETERMINES THAT.

SO THERE COULD BE A, WELL, ABANDONMENT FEE OR IF THERE'S A CAP.

OUR UNDERSTANDING FROM SAINT JOHNS IS THERE WOULD NOT BE A FEE.

THEN THERE WOULD BE THE COST FOR A PLUMBER TO CONNECT FROM THE CITY'S METER TO THE HOUSE.

THAT'S THE FIGURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE AVAILABLE TO COVER THROUGH OUR GRANT PROGRAM RIGHT NOW.

WE ONLY HAVE ESTIMATES RIGHT NOW, AND THAT IS THE PART THAT WE CAN'T ANSWER DEFINITIVELY.

THE ESTIMATES RANGE FROM $1,200, APPROXIMATELY UP.

IT DEPENDS GREATLY ON WHERE THE THE CONNECTION WOULD BE FROM THE METER.

THE OTHER THING THAT I WANT TO DO IS I WANT TO TAKE TIME TO ADDRESS AS MANY QUESTIONS AS I CAN, AND I WROTE DILIGENT NOTES.

SO I'M GOING TO ADDRESS THE ONES THAT YOU ALL BROUGHT UP.

THE FIRST THING I WANT TO NOTE IS THAT THIS DOES COME FROM FLORIDA STATUTE, AND IT'S THE REQUIREMENT IS ONE YEAR FROM NOTICE FROM THE CITY.

SO IT IS NOT THE CITY'S INTENT TO LEAVE FOLLOWING THIS ORDINANCE AND NOTICE EVERY PROPERTY OWNER IN THE CITY, OR EVEN NOTICE EVERY PROPERTY OWNER THAT HAS SEWER AVAILABLE AND NOT CONNECTED.

WE INTEND TO NOTICE THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WE CAN FUND WITH PHASE ONE OF OUR FUNDING TO OFFSET THE COST TO THE HOMEOWNERS.

THERE IS A A FLORIDA STATUTE THAT REQUIRES US TO ENDEAVOR TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC HEALTH AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

AND. THERE ARE MANY RESIDENTS WHO HAVE COME TO US REQUESTING TO CONNECT TO CITY WATER BECAUSE THEIR WELL HAS FAILED,

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AND RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO EXTEND THE MAIN LINES TO CONNECT LARGE NEIGHBORHOODS.

I ALSO WANT TO NOTE THAT ANY RESIDENT THAT COMES AND BUILDS A HOME ON A SCATTERED LOT RIGHT NOW, WHERE WATER IS AVAILABLE AND SEWER IS AVAILABLE, IS REQUIRED BY ORDINANCE. ANY NEW HOME WHERE WATER IS AVAILABLE AND SEWER IS AVAILABLE IS CONNECTING RIGHT NOW TO THOSE SYSTEMS. AND ALSO ALL SUBDIVISIONS.

THEY MUST PAY TO BRING WATER AND SEWER TO THE TO THE PROPERTY TO CONNECT.

AS FAR AS RESIDENTS BEING NOTIFIED.

THIS WAS PUBLISHED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE IN THE AGENDA AND PUBLISHED IN THE NEWSPAPER AS REQUIRED BY FLORIDA STATUTE.

THE QUESTION ABOUT WHAT IS THE ACTUAL COST, THE MONTHLY COST FOR THE WATER AND SEWER.

I HAVE THOSE AVERAGES AVAILABLE AS WELL.

SO AN AVERAGE MONTHLY BILL FOR WATER AND SEWER IS $85 A MONTH.

THE AVERAGE MONTHLY BILL FOR WATER ONLY IS $34 A MONTH.

ONE THING THAT I WANT TO NOTE IS IF WE CONNECT.

IF A RESIDENT IS ONLY CONNECTED ON SEWER BUT NOT CONNECTED ON WATER, THERE IS NOT A WAY FOR US TO METER THE SEWER USAGE. SO WE HAVE TO CHARGE A FLAT RATE REGARDLESS OF HOW MUCH SEWER IS ACTUALLY PASSED THROUGH THE RESIDENTS.

AND THE FLAT RATE FOR SEWER ONLY IS APPROXIMATELY 60.

IT'S 5970, SO IT'S $60.

THE MANDATE IN FLORIDA STATUTE DID WAS PASSED IN 2006.

I DID WANT TO NOTE THAT.

ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS I WANT TO NOTE IS THAT IF THE SEPTIC SYSTEM CURRENTLY FAILS, THE REGULATING AGENCY FOR SEPTIC SYSTEMS IS THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH.

THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH WILL NOT ISSUE A NEW SEPTIC PERMIT IF A SEPTIC SYSTEM FAILS BECAUSE OF MANDATORY CONNECTION IN FLORIDA STATUTE.

THEY WILL NOT ISSUE A NEW PERMIT.

I DID WANT TO CLARIFY THE SEPTIC SPILL THAT WAS MENTIONED.

THE THE NUMBER PURPORTED WAS ACTUALLY MUCH HIGHER THAN HOW MUCH WAS SPILLED.

IT WAS MORE LIKE 12,000 GALLONS.

ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO MENTION ALSO WAS AS WE CONTINUE TO LOOK AT EXPANSION OF LINES AND EXPANSION OF OUR SYSTEM, CURRENTLY, THE CITY IS NOT ABLE TO EXTEND MAIN LINES FOR WATER BECAUSE WE HAVE NO MECHANISM TO COMPEL THOSE HOMEOWNERS TO CONNECT.

SAME THING GOES FOR SEWER.

THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE.

IMPETUS FOR THIS BEING FUNDING.

AND I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THE IMPETUS FOR THIS IS PUBLIC HEALTH.

IT'S. COMPLYING WITH FLORIDA STATUTE AND IT'S PROTECTING OUR RESIDENTS.

IN OUR OPINION, I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF A GRANT FUNDED PROGRAM THAT IS AVAILABLE TO THE CITY THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO UTILIZE.

THERE IS $10 MILLION FROM THE SORREL PROGRAM, AND THAT'S TO EXPAND OUR SEWER SYSTEM IN THE TURKEY CREEK AREA.

SO IN THE AREA THAT IS BEING IMPACTED BY POTENTIAL POLLUTANTS FROM SEPTIC SYSTEMS, BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE MANDATORY CONNECTION, WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO UTILIZE THESE FUNDS.

PROVIDING MANDATORY CONNECTION WILL GIVE US THE ABILITY TO FURTHER EXPAND OUR SEWER SYSTEM.

WE DO FEEL VERY CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO SECURE GRANT FUNDING FOR THE EXPRESS PURPOSE OF OFFSETTING THE COST TO THE HOME OWNERS. THAT IS WHY WE ARE DOING IT IN A PHASED AND CAREFUL APPROACH.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE AS I SPEAK.

SLOWLY, I KNOW I WANT TO CHECK MY NOTES AND MAKE SURE THAT I'M HITTING EVERYTHING.

AND COUNCIL. IF THERE'S ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FROM YOU ALL, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER THEM OR HAVE ME COME UP.

JUST ARE YOU? DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR YOUR RESPONSES?

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THANK YOU. OKAY. SO AT THIS POINT COUNCIL ANY QUESTIONS FROM STAFF.

AND I THINK I'D LIKE TO START WITH COUNCILMAN FOSTER WHO'S ON THE LINE THAT WAY.

BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE A VISUAL OF HIM.

SO COUNCILMAN FOSTER, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF AT THIS TIME? YES, TO THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.

YOU MENTIONED THE SPILL.

HOW MUCH OF THAT SPILL CAME FROM OUR SEWER OR THE SEWER? SEWAGE SPILL. YOU SAID 12 SOMETHING.

12? 12,000 GALLONS.

YES, SIR. THAT WAS FROM OUR PLANTS.

AND IT WAS 12,000 GALLONS.

NOT 100,000 GALLONS.

WHAT DO YOU KNOW THE CAUSE OF THAT SPILL? IT WAS RELATED TO THE EXTREME WEATHER EVENT THAT WE HAD ABOUT A MONTH AGO.

AND IT WAS RELATED TO STORMWATER RUNOFF FLOODING OUR WATER SYSTEM.

OKAY. DO A STORMWATER.

OKAY. AND THE CITY IS DOING ALL IT CAN TO HELP ALLEVIATE THE COST OF THE HOOK UPS FOR THE RESIDENTS.

YES, ABSOLUTELY, SIR.

WE ARE WE? THE MEMO IS CORRECT IN SEVERAL RESIDENTS DID CITE IT THIS EVENING THAT THE AVERAGE COST TO HOOK UP TO SEWER WOULD NORMALLY BE APPROXIMATELY $12,000. AND WITH THIS GRANT FUNDING THAT WE HAVE SECURED AND THE GRANT AGREEMENT IS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT TO BE SIGNED BY BY THE CITY MANAGER WITH COUNCIL'S APPROVAL, WE WILL OFFSET THAT COST EXCEPT FOR THE $100 DEPOSIT.

OKAY. MY FINAL QUESTION.

YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT A $10 MILLION GRANT THAT WE ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR, OR WE'RE TRYING TO BECOME ELIGIBLE FOR, TO HELP WITH OUR MANDATORY HOOKUPS.

WHAT WAS THAT ABOUT? YES. I REALLY WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THE SORREL PROGRAM IS A PROGRAM THAT IS COUNTYWIDE, AND IT WAS THE THE SALES TAX, THE HALF CENT I BELIEVE IT IS TAX WAS VOTED ON BY BREVARD COUNTY VOTERS.

IT IS MANAGED BY BREVARD COUNTY.

THEY'VE RECEIVED A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF SUPPORT FROM THE STATE FOR THEIR PROGRAM TO EVEN SUPPLEMENT THE FUNDING THAT THEY'RE COLLECTING, AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE COUNTY AS AN ENTITY, AS A WHOLE TO PROTECT ALL RESIDENTS, OUR WATER BODIES, OUR NATURE ACCESS, AND ALSO TO ENCOURAGE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT IN OUR COUNTY. AND ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT THEY IDENTIFIED AS PART OF THE SORREL PROGRAM IS AN EXPANSION OF THE CITY'S SEWER FOR $10 MILLION, WHICH RIGHT NOW WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO ACCESS BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE MANDATORY CONNECTION.

OKAY, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTION I HAVE RIGHT NOW.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN FOSTER.

DEPUTY MAYOR. ANY QUESTIONS? MAYOR. THANK YOU.

I THANK THE CITY MANAGER.

MR. CONEY COVERED QUITE A BIT.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, SHE SHE DID REALLY MENTION THE KEY COMPONENT OF WHY WE'RE DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING IS THAT SHE REFERRED TO PUBLIC HEALTH.

PUBLIC HEALTH IS KEY.

UM, YOU KNOW, MAYORS, WE TALKED ABOUT PALM BAY BEING THE GREATEST CITY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH.

WE DON'T BECOME OR BE THE GREATEST CITY ON THE ON THE FACE OF THIS EARTH WITHOUT MAKING THE THE BIG DECISION.

WE CANNOT LEAD PALM BAY MUST LEAD.

WE CAN'T BECOME.

AND I CAN TELL YOU, I WAS IN A ROOM WITH WITH HUNDREDS OF.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? BECAUSE I WANT TO TRY AND STAY FOCUSED.

YOUR COMMENTS COULD, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU ARE YOU ABOUT TO.

I'M ABOUT TO CONCLUDE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY PALM BAY CAN LEAD UNLESS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.

YOU KNOW, JUST MORE OF A COMMENT.

YEAH, I WANTED TO PHASE IN THE QUESTIONS IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.

MISS MOSCONI, AT THAT TIME, EVERYONE'S ALREADY SPOKEN, AND I'M MOVING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SO AT THIS TIME, I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASKING FOR A MOTION.

SO MOVED. SECOND.

I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

SO COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

SO JUST LIKE EVERY COUNCIL MEETING, I TRY TO MAKE SURE I PUT THE AGENDA EVERYTHING OUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA, ANY, ANY PLATFORM I CAN

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UM, MISS CONNOLLY SAID SOMETHING.

THIS IS THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED BY PREVIOUS COUNCIL.

WELL, I WAS PART OF THAT PREVIOUS COUNCIL AND WE TRIED TO.

BUT AT THAT TIME, JUST LIKE MISS JULIETTE SAID, THERE WAS NO FUNDING SOURCE BECAUSE I BECAME AWARE THAT THIS WAS A MANDATE.

A WHILE AGO WHEN I WENT UP TO TALLAHASSEE TRYING TO ADVOCATE FOR FUNDING, SENATOR MAYFIELD TOLD ME HERSELF, I'M SURE SHE TOLD OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS LIKE, I CAN'T GET YOU FUNDING TO REPAIR THE WATERWAYS UNLESS IT'S MANDATED.

SAME MARCHING ORDERS PRETTY MUCH FROM THE GOVERNOR ALL THE WAY DOWN.

SO KNOWING THAT OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS, THIS COUNCIL ADVOCATING AT THE FEDERAL AND STATE LEVEL TO TRY TO GET THAT FUNDING, WE GOT SOME THIS YEAR, BUT WE CAN'T GET AS MUCH AS WE WANT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE A COST.

I WANT TO WIPE. I WANT TO WIPE THE COST AWAY.

TOTALLY. I WANT TO WIPE THE COST AWAY.

TOTALLY. AND IT WAS MENTIONED BY I DIDN'T GET HIS NAME, BUT THE MARINE, MY FATHER WAS IN THE MILITARY ARMY.

DON'T HOLD IT AGAINST US.

YOU KNOW WE APPRECIATE IT.

WE ALL WORK TOGETHER, BUT WE WERE STATIONED IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, AND IT WASN'T UNTIL WE MOVED BACK TO FLORIDA WHERE SEPTIC WAS LIKE EVEN MISSISSIPPI STATIONED IN MISSISSIPPI, EVERYBODY'S ON SEWER.

SO IT WAS ONLY IN FLORIDA WHERE YOU REALLY SAW SEPTIC.

AND IT'S CRAZY BECAUSE WE'RE BELOW, ALMOST BELOW SEA LEVEL.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MR. BUTCH, BRINGS IT UP MULTIPLE TIMES IN REGARDS TO THE CASTLES AND HIGH, HOW HIGH THESE STRUCTURES ARE BEING BUILT.

AND IT'S BECAUSE OF THE SEPTIC SYSTEMS THAT ARE BEING PUT IN.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THIS COUNCIL WE WERE CONFUSED.

YOU BROUGHT IT TO US AND WE LOOKED INTO IT BECAUSE I WAS CONCERNED TOO, BECAUSE I'M SEEING THESE HOUSES THAT ARE LOOKING DOWN ON OTHER HOUSES, AND IT'S BECAUSE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM HAS TO BE ABOVE THE FLOODPLAIN LEVEL, I BELIEVE.

YEAH. SO, SO THERE'S THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT ISSUES WITH THIS.

I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS.

I'M GOING TO TALLAHASSEE LIKE I DID EVERY YEAR TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THIS ISN'T A, YOU KNOW, A BURDEN ON ANYBODY.

LIKE WE'RE NOT TRYING TO MAKE IT A BURDEN.

I KNOW FOR MYSELF, I KNOW FOR THE REST OF THE COUNCIL AND FOR OUR STAFF, THAT'S NOT THE INTENT.

SO I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS TONIGHT FOR.

MA'AM, YOU ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT COUNCIL.

YES, WE ARE PART TIME, BUT WE'RE ALSO FULL TIME TO MY PHONE.

I'M ALWAYS ACCESSIBLE, SO IF YOU NEED TO GIVE ME A CALL OR EMAIL OR ANYTHING, I'M SURPRISED THEY DIDN'T GIVE YOU A CARD FOR EACH ONE OF US.

BUT I DIDN'T HAVE A CALL FROM EMAIL.

BUT I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SPEAK WITH YOU AFTER THE MEETING OR WHENEVER, AS WELL AS THE MAYOR.

THESE JOKERS ARE BUSY.

MAYOR KNOWS HE'S BUSY, BUT HE'S ALWAYS SUCCESSFUL, SO SAME THING.

SO JUST.

I APOLOGIZE FOR THE MISCOMMUNICATION, BUT PLEASE REACH OUT TO US, MA'AM.

OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S ALL. MAYOR.

THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR.

THANK YOU MAYOR. YOU KNOW, I ALSO, AS I WAS SAYING EARLIER, IT'S THE SAME THING.

I THINK WHAT IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO IS PUBLIC.

PUBLIC HEALTH.

WE ARE THE LARGEST.

PLEASE. WE ARE THE LARGEST, THE LONGEST MUNICIPALITY.

WE HAVE THE LARGEST FOOTPRINT ON THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON.

SO WE HAVE THE MOST IMPACT ON THAT, ON THAT.

YOU KNOW, THAT, YOU KNOW, LAGOON THAT WE CHERISH SO MUCH.

FEW YEARS BACK, YOU KNOW, STORIES.

I'VE HEARD A LOT OF POSITIVE STORIES ABOUT THE LAGOON.

WE ALL BEHAVIOR IS THE CAUSE THAT THE LAGOON NOW CAN GROW ANYTHING, RIGHT? THE LIVES ARE THE THE CONDITION, THE F MINUS.

AND THE GENTLEMAN FROM THE MRC MARINE RESOURCE COUNCIL JUST MENTIONED EARLIER IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE LAGOONS DON'T BETTER BECAUSE WE'RE TAKING SMALL STEPS TOWARDS THAT DIRECTION TO, TO IMPROVE IT.

SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, A LOT'S BEEN SAID I THINK STUFF CLARIFIED QUITE A BIT.

I CAN TELL YOU THE DAY AFTER OUR LAST MEETING, PALM BAY WAS CELEBRATED THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.

BECAUSE OF THAT MEASURE, WE ARE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE CONCERN, BUT FOR SURE, FOR SURE, MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT TALK TONIGHT, I DON'T THINK THIS WOULD IMPACT YOU MAYBE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, MAYBE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, BECAUSE SOME OF US THAT MAY HAVE SPOKEN DON'T.

WE DON'T LIVE ON CITY WATER OR CITY SEWER PER SE, WHERE WE'RE NOT CONNECTED.

I KNOW THAT FOR A FACT.

SO I WAS ONE OF THEM.

I WAS ONE OF THE, YOU KNOW, IGNORANT.

AS THE MARINE MENTIONED EARLIER, I DIDN'T KNOW I HAD TO APOLOGIZE.

I HAD WATER AVAILABLE, READILY AVAILABLE IN UNIT 16 RIGHT IN MY FRONT YARD.

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I DIDN'T WANT TO CONNECT.

AND I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE BILL.

BUT WHEN I DID FINALLY CONNECT AND I HUMBLY APOLOGIZE TO HER, WHAT A DIFFERENCE.

SO TRULY, IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

AND I THINK IT'S JUST THE RIGHT THING TO DO SIMPLY IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

US MAKING THE IT'S NOT EASY.

PORT SAINT LUCIE ABOUT 30 YEARS AGO, THEY MADE THAT VERY DECISION.

SAME HISTORY WITH PALM BAY, SIMILAR CITY IN SIZE POPULATION.

NOW THEY SURPASSES BY ABOUT 100,000 PEOPLE THEIR BUDGET MAYBE ABOUT 2 OR 3 TIMES OUR BUDGET.

THEY ARE THRIVING.

THEY LEFT US BEHIND IN MANY, MANY ASPECT, MANY, MANY ASPECT, SAME COMMUNITY.

BUT THEY HAD THE COURAGE.

THEY MADE THAT DECISION 30 YEARS AGO.

MANDATORY CONNECTION.

BUT I CAN TELL YOU, IT'S DAY AND NIGHT, PALM BAY AND PORT SAINT LUCIE IN MULTIPLE ASPECTS.

SO, YOU KNOW, I FELL IN PACE WITH THIS.

I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

I WILL BE IN SUPPORT OF THAT.

THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR. COUNCILMAN.

FOSTER. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THIS IS AN ISSUE FOR ME THAT STARTED BACK IN 2016 WHEN I RAN FOR THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER, DISTRICT THREE, AND I MADE IT PART OF MY PLATFORM, THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON AND THE SEWER CONNECTION AND THE STORMWATER RUNOFF.

AND I KEPT WITH THAT.

IN 20 2019, I MADE A PUBLIC COMMENT IN FRONT OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

IT WAS A BIG TO DO ISSUE ABOUT MANDATORY CONNECTIONS, SEWER CONNECTIONS AND THE CITY COUNCIL.

PALM BAY. DIDN'T DO IT.

IT DIDN'T DO IT. AND I SPOKE OUT AGAINST THAT.

I THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE IT.

I THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE MADE IT MANDATORY CONNECTION FOR THE SEWER BECAUSE WE WAS VIOLATING OF STATE STATUTE.

AND AND THAT'S NOT A GOOD LOOK FOR THE CITY NOT FOLLOWING THIS, THE STATE STATUTE, THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

BUT NOBODY COMPLAINED TO THE STATE REPRESENTATIVE OR THE STATE SENATOR DURING THAT TIME.

IT. THEY MAKE THEIR VOICES HEARD TO THE CITY COUNCIL, AND THE CITY COUNCIL DIDN'T FOLLOW.

FAILED AGAIN. FAILED AGAIN.

TO NOT FOLLOW THE STATE STATUTE AND NOT LOOK OUT TOO FOR THE ENVIRONMENT OF THE CITY AND THE HEALTH ISSUE.

AND THAT'S WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO.

OUR ENVIRONMENT AFFECTS EVERYBODY.

AND I SIT HERE FOR AN HOUR ON THE COUNCIL, AND I LISTEN TO EVERYBODY VERY CLOSELY, AND I FEEL THEY PAY AND I AND I SYMPATHIZE WITH HOW THEY FEEL.

AND I DON'T LIKE PAYING THE WATER BILL, A SEWER BILL.

BUT I PAY EVERY MONTH.

I PAY MY YESTERDAY.

AND I DON'T LIKE PAYING IT, BUT I'M GLAD I HAVE.

CITY WATER. CITY SEWER.

BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT A SEPTIC TANK.

FAIRLY NORMALLY.

YOU. IF I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH MY CITY WATER OR CITY SEWER, I KNOW TO CALL THE CITY OF PALM BAY AND I EXPECT THEM TO RESPOND APPROPRIATELY AND FAST.

OKAY, I THINK THIS IS A REALLY OPPORTUNE MOMENT FOR US TO PROTECT OUR ENVIRONMENT, TO PROTECT OUR HEALTH AND MAKE THIS A MANDATORY I DON'T LIKE.

I DON'T LIKE ANYTHING MANDATORY, BUT SOME THINGS WE GOT TO DO THAT WE DON'T LIKE DOING TO PROTECT OURSELVES AND PROTECT OUR ENVIRONMENT.

AND I FEEL FOR THE FINANCIAL BURDEN THAT'S GOING TO PUT ON PEOPLE.

LIKE I SAID, I DON'T LIKE PAYING MY WATER AND MY WATER BILL, BUT I PAY IT ON TIME AND I'VE NEVER BEEN LATE.

AND I JUST MADE IT PART OF MY BUDGET.

SO BECAUSE IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO AND PEOPLE THAT'S MOVING TO PALM BAY, THEY DON'T HAVE A CHOICE.

THEY'RE MANDATED ALREADY TO HOOK UP TO WATER AND SEWER.

PEOPLE ARE BUILDING HOUSES HERE.

THEY DON'T HAVE A CHOICE.

THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. MOVE IT TO PALM BAY.

THEY DON'T HAVE A CHOICE.

THEY MANDATE IT TO DO IT.

AND WHEN I BUILT MY HOUSE, I DIDN'T HAVE A CHOICE.

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SO I THINK WE I THINK IT COMES OUT TO THE HEALTH ISSUE AND THE ENVIRONMENT.

WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR LAND, OUR PROPERTY.

WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR ENVIRONMENT, OUR HEALTH AND OUR INDIAN RIVER LAGOON, OUR TURKEY CREEK, THAT'S WHAT THAT'S ALSO PART OF OUR ENVIRONMENT IN THE AREA WE LIVE.

AND I THINK WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

EVERY DECISION WE MAKE IS NOT GOING TO BE A POPULAR DECISION.

I UNDERSTAND THAT EVERY DECISION WE MAKE ON COUNCIL.

IS, LIKE I SAID, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A POPULAR DECISION, BUT IT'S GOT TO BE THE RIGHT DECISION.

IT'S GOT TO BE WHAT'S RIGHT AND WHAT'S BEST FOR PALM BAY.

AND THAT'S WHY I SUPPORT THIS MANDATORY HOOKUP.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN FOSTER.

I'LL BEGIN MY COMMENTS WITH HOW COUNCILMAN JOHNSON BROUGHT UP PREVIOUS COUNCIL.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT COMMENT, BROTHER, BECAUSE YOU ACTUALLY STOOD UP HERE AND YOU HAD TO DEAL WITH THAT.

MY MY ISSUE ALL ALONG WAS BACK THEN.

WAS THE COST, THE THE AMOUNT THAT IT WOULD TAKE FOR OUR CITIZENRY.

AND I PUT MYSELF IN THE MIX.

AND YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, MA'AM.

THIS AFFECTS ME. IT AFFECTS MY NEIGHBOR.

YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

I LIVE IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD.

I IT'S NOW.

MA'AM, THE THE COMMENTS ARE CLOSED.

NOW WE'RE HAVING DISCUSSION UP ON COUNCIL AND I'M SHARING MY MY HEART.

THIS WAS A DIFFICULT TIME FOR ME, AS MOST OF YOU KNOW.

UM, AND BEHIND THE SCENES, I WAS MY EFFORTS WERE NOT ONLY TO IMPROVE THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON WITH THE BAFFLE BOXES, WHICH I, I APPLAUD COUNCIL FOR, FOR GOING DOWN THAT PATH.

BUT THIS IS A CRITICAL COMPONENT TO THAT.

OUR THE WAY WE CONTINUE TO GROW.

IT'S GOT TO BE A SMART WAY OF GROWING.

THAT'S MY FIRST COMMENT.

BUT BEHIND THE SCENES, I ALWAYS SAID THERE'S JUST NO WAY WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT SUBSIDIZING FOR OUR RESIDENTS.

I ALWAYS SAID THAT WE'VE COME TO A PLACE.

THANK GOD FOR ARPA FUNDING.

THANK GOD FOR THE LAST APPROPRIATIONS REQUEST THAT WE DILIGENTLY FOUGHT FOR.

AS YOU KNOW, DEPUTY MAYOR, YOU WERE WITH ME IN THAT IN THAT OFFICE.

AND I ASKED REPRESENTATIVE ALTMAN TO HELP US WITH THIS.

I'VE ALSO ASKED PERSONALLY, SENATOR DEBBIE MAYFIELD, AND YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

BEFORE THOSE DISCUSSIONS, IT WAS THAT THERE WAS NO ORDINANCE IN PLACE, BUT THEY INITIATED AND ASSISTED US WHERE WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO HELP OUR RESIDENTS SUBSIDIZE THAT FOR $100.

THAT IS HUGE FOR ME.

I WAS PERPLEXED WITH THIS ISSUE.

THIS WAS AN ISSUE FOR ME THAT CAME DOWN TO AND YES, I AM A MAN OF FAITH AND YES, I DO PRAY IT CAME DOWN TO DOING THE RIGHT THING AT THE RIGHT TIME, AND I TRULY BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY HERE RIGHT NOW.

TO SUPPORT THIS ORDINANCE.

AND CREATE A BETTER CITY FOR OUR FUTURE.

CREATE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR FUTURE GROWTH.

THAT WOULD BE SMART GROWTH.

SO AFTER COUNTLESS HOURS OF GOING AND SEEKING, SEEKING THE RIGHT THING TO DO, I AM SUPPORTING THIS ORDINANCE BECAUSE I TRULY BELIEVE THAT IT IS FOR THE GREATER GOOD OF THE CITIZENS OF PALM BAY.

AND WITH THAT, I'M CALLING THE VOTE.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I.

I. I. PASSES FOUR ZERO.

WE ARE NOW ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

[CONSENT AGENDA]

YES, MAYOR. THE FOLLOWING CONSENT ITEM WERE PULLED.

SIX, SEVEN, NINE AND 12.

SIX, SEVEN, NINE AND 12 AND 12.

ANY OTHER AGENDA ITEMS COUNCIL WISH TO PULL? SEEING NONE, I WANT TO PULL ITEM NUMBER TEN FROM CONSENT.

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ONE SECOND. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SIX, SEVEN, NINE, TEN, AND 12.

I GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN FOSTER.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, GENTLEMEN? SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. MADAM SMITH.

YES. ORDINANCE 2020 3-102 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE FISCAL YEAR 2023 BUDGET BY APPROPRIATING ALLOCATING FUNDS IDENTIFIED IN EXHIBIT A, CONSISTING OF FOUR PAGES AND INCORPORATED IN ITS ENTIRETY HEREIN.

RECOGNIZING THAT SUCH APPROPRIATIONS MUST BE MADE PURSUANT TO THE CODE OF ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

CHAPTER 35 ADOPTING, RATIFYING, CONFIRMING, AND VALIDATING THE ALLOCATIONS.

PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU MA'AM.

ITEM NUMBER SIX.

[6. Award of Bid: Police Department boat (Florida Inland Navigation District) – IFB 59-0-2023 – Police Department (Boaters Exchange, LLC - $133,819).]

AND I'M JUST I JUST HAD A CURIOSITY.

WE'VE WAITED SO LONG TO SEE IT.

WAS THERE AN INCREASE IN THE COST TO GET THIS, AND IF SO, HOW MUCH THAT INCREASE WAS? I JUST GOT A LITTLE BIT OF BACK HISTORY ON IT, AND I HAVE A FEELING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S GOING TO TELL ME SOME GOOD NEWS IN THE COST, BUT BAD NEWS IN THE BOAT THAT THEY'VE GONE TO.

BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID.

HAZE GRAY AND UNDERWAY.

DID YOU WANT TO DEFER THAT TO THE CHIEF? I DID, I'D LIKE TO BRING CHIEF JOE UP, PLEASE.

MAYOR COUNCIL. THANK YOU, MR. BIDEN. APPRECIATE IT.

SO YES. SO I DON'T KNOW ABOUT MANY, MANY YEARS AGO.

I KNOW OVER THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF, TWO YEARS AGO, THERE WAS A CHANGE IN DIRECTION IN TERMS OF WHAT TYPE OF VESSEL WE WERE GETTING.

THE INITIAL PROPOSAL, WHICH WAS MORE EXPENSIVE, IT WAS GOING TO REQUIRE US TO GET A BIGGER VEHICLE TO TOW IT AROUND.

IT WAS GOING TO REQUIRE US TO GET A BIGGER TRAILER TO TOW IT AROUND.

BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS CONDUCIVE TO WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE HERE FOR THE CITY OF PALM BAY AND THE INITIAL VESSEL THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT, ALTHOUGH VERY NICE AND IT HAD THE DROP, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CALL IT, MR. BATTEN. IT WASN'T CONDUCIVE FOR OUR NEEDS.

SO IN ORDER TO MANAGE AND MANEUVER OUR WATERWAYS, BUT ALSO OUT BY US ONE THE ONE THE VESSEL THAT WE HAVE NOW THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR THAT'S LISTED ON THE PRICE, I THINK IT'S ABOUT 130 OR 33,000 FOR THE GRANT.

FOR THE FIREBOAT GRANT THAT FITS WHAT WE NEED FOR OUR DIVE TEAM, AND ALSO TO BE ABLE TO MANEUVER OUT THERE FOR THE DERELICT VESSELS PROGRAM.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY.

THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT.

I NEED A MOTION. SO MOVED.

SECOND. GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. COUNCILMAN.

FOSTER. ARE YOU STILL ON? YES.

THANK YOU. PASSES FOR ZERO.

ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, MR.

[7. Contract: 1MGD to 2MGD Expansion Design and Permitting Services, South Regional Water Reclamation Facility – Task Order 23-13-WT – Utilities Department (Wade Trim, 68-0-2007 – $670,749); and approve fund appropriation on the next scheduled Budget Amendment ($250,000).]

I UNDERSTAND THIS IS TO INCREASE THE CAPACITY FROM 1 MILLION GALLONS A DAY TO 2 MILLION GALLONS A DAY IN OUR WATER TREATMENT PLANT, AND THAT'S MAKING SENSE SINCE YOU'RE MAKING MANDATORY HOOKUP FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WEREN'T, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED THE CAPACITY TO TREAT THAT.

I UNDERSTAND THE THOUGHT PROCESS THAT'S THERE.

RIGHT. BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, INSTEAD OF JUST LOOKING AT INCREASING THE CAPACITY AFTER THE LAST REPORT THAT I GAVE YOU, WHICH SAID THAT THE CITY'S WASTE TREATMENT PLANTS ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM WITH THE LEAKAGE WITHIN THE SYSTEMS OF THEIR OF THE LINES AND THE ACIDITY, ACIDITY AND THE NITROGEN LEVELS WITHIN THAT WATER.

WHY ARE WE NOT ALSO LOOKING AT IMPROVING THE WASTEWATER QUALITY INSTEAD OF JUST THE QUANTITY AT THE BAD QUALITY? RIGHT. THAT'S THE FIRST QUESTION.

THE SECOND QUESTION IS I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT THE DIFFERENCE WAS.

I'M LOOKING AT TWO NUMBERS HERE, ONE 670,000 AND THE OTHER ONE IS 250,000.

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WHICH WERE WE ACTUALLY LOOKING FOR? WAS IT A TOTAL BETWEEN THE TWO NUMBERS OR WAS THAT.

IT'S A TOTAL THAT'S WHAT THE TOTAL AMOUNT WE'RE LOOKING TO SPEND OUT FROM TWO DIFFERENT ACCOUNTS.

OKAY. I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT IT WAS.

OKAY. SO MILLION DOLLARS AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TO INCREASE THE CAPACITY BY 1 MILLION GALLONS.

OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

I NEED A MOTION.

SO MOVED. SECOND, GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. HI.

PASSES FOUR ZERO.

WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER NINE.

[9. Resolution 2023-40, providing for the acceptance of the transfer of Championship Circle, located at Fred Poppe Regional Park, from Brevard County.]

PROVIDING FOR THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE TRANSFER OF CHAMPIONSHIP CIRCLE NORTHWEST FROM BREVARD COUNTY TO THE CITY OF PALM BAY, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

OH, OKAY.

THE DEPUTY MAYOR, WAS THAT MESSAGE CORRECT? OKAY. CARRY ON.

MESSAGE. CHIEF BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

ONE MORE TIME. I'M JUST TRYING TO PROVE TO THE RESIDENTS OF PALM BAY I AM PAYING ATTENTION, AND I DO WATCH.

I KNOW THE ONLY WAY THIS WOULD HAVE AUTOMATICALLY PASSED WAS BECAUSE IT WAS CONSENT AGENDA, AND NO ONE WOULD HAVE BEEN AWARE OF IT.

THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO BE THAT ACTIVE CITIZEN, AND I APPRECIATE, EVEN THOUGH HE IS A MARINE, SAYING THAT HE WAS WATCHING, AND THAT TELLS ME THAT THE CITIZENS ARE WATCHING FROM OUT THERE ON THE TV.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT. THAT BEING SAID, THIS IS CURRENTLY A COUNTY ROAD.

THEY HAVE RESPONSIBILITY AND IT'S COME DOWN.

CHAMPION SIX CHAMPIONSHIP CIRCLE COMES OFF OF A COUNTY ROAD INTO WHAT USED TO BE A COUNTY PARK.

SO ME BEING THE DUMMY THAT I AM, WE'RE GETTING READY TO SPEND $1 MILLION FROM FROM 3 TO 908 AND PUTTING THAT MONEY IN 3 TO 907 TO BUILD A BRIDGE IN THE SAME PARK.

WHY DON'T WE JUST ASK THE COUNTY, SINCE IT'S COMING OFF OF COUNTY ROAD ONTO CURRENTLY A COUNTY, COUNTY ROAD, THAT THEY MAKE THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE COULD MAKE COMING OFF OF MALABAR ROAD, THAT WE COULD GET THE RECREATIONAL VEHICLES, THE ABILITY TO MAKE THE TURN.

I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU DON'T WANT TO.

THAT MEANS BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO ASK ANOTHER GOVERNMENT FOR SOMETHING.

THE CITIZENS DON'T LIKE HAVING TO ASK THEIR GOVERNMENT FOR SOMETHING NOW, BUT NOW YOU'D HAVE TO ASK ANOTHER GOVERNMENT IDENTITY TO TAKE CARE OF YOU.

SO I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.

BUT I'M JUST SAYING, IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN GET THEM TO COVER PART OF THE COST OF MAINTAINING ON CHAMPIONSHIP CIRCLE AND MAKE THE IMPROVEMENTS COMING OFF OF MALABAR ROAD BEFORE WE TAKE IT ALL ON OURSELF.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MOSCONI. YOU WANT TO ATTEMPT TO RESPOND TO THAT? THANK YOU MAYOR.

WE ARE MAINTAINING THIS ROAD AND HAVE BEEN MAINTAINING THE ROAD SINCE THE PARK WAS ACQUIRED FROM BREVARD COUNTY IN 2016.

WE'RE ACTUALLY, AS YOU RECALL, IT WAS PART OF THE REASON WE WERE LOOKING AT THE ROAD WAS THIS WAS ACTUALLY A CATCH FROM OUR CITY SURVEYOR WHEN WE WERE EXAMINING WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO TO IMPROVE THE ROADWAY FOR RV ACCESS, SHOULD THE CITY HAVE PURSUED THE CAMPGROUND PROJECT.

BUT NOW OUR EFFORTS ARE VERY FINELY FOCUSED ON THE BRIDGE PROJECT.

WE HAD OUR KICKOFF MEETING FOR IT JUST TWO WEEKS AGO, AND WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

MALABAR ROAD WIDENING WILL INVOLVE THE COUNTY BECAUSE THE COUNTY DOES HAVE PART OF THAT RIGHT OF WAY.

THANK YOU MA'AM. I NEED A MOTION.

SO MOVED. SECOND.

GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING I.

HI. HI.

PASSES FOUR ZERO.

WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER TEN.

GENTLEMEN, I PULLED THIS AND I'M WONDERING IF ANYONE FROM.

[10. Resolution 2023-41, extending the commencement period for a conditional use granted for a self-storage facility in HC (Highway Commercial District) zoning, on property located east of and adjacent to Babcock Street, in the vicinity west of Hardin Lane (2.45 acres) (Case CU-45- 2022, Fred D. Boozer, Jr.).]

I NEED TO READ THE CAPTION.

OH, AS YOU WERE CARRYING RESOLUTION 2023 DASH 41, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING RESOLUTION 2022 DASH 59, SECTION THREE BY EXTENDING THE COMMENCEMENT PERIOD OF THE CONDITIONAL USE GRANT FOR A SELF STORAGE FACILITY IN H C HIGHWAY.

COMMERCIAL DISTRICT ZONING.

WHICH PROPERTY IS LOCATED EAST OF AND ADJACENT TO BABCOCK STREET, THE VICINITY WEST OF HARDEN LANE, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

SO COUNCIL PULLED THIS ONE.

AS YOU KNOW, THIS THIS IS SOMETHING WE APPROVED THE YEAR AGO.

AND IT WAS IT'S ON BABCOCK STREET.

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BUT AS YOU KNOW LAST COUNCIL MEETING I WAS REALLY INTRIGUED AND WANTED TO EXPEDITE OUR OUR FUTURE LAND USE, EXPEDITE THAT TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE INCLUDING JOB GROWTH EMPLOYEES, ETCETERA.

RIGHT. SO THEY ARE ASKING FOR AN ADDITIONAL YEAR.

AND AND I KNOW IN THE PAST THEY'VE COME BEFORE US, NOT THIS PARTICULAR GROUP, BUT THEY HAVE COME BEFORE US TO EXTEND THAT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT BY A YEAR.

AND WE DIDN'T ALLOW THAT.

I THINK WE GRANTED 90, 90 DAYS OR SIX MONTHS.

SO WE SENT A MESSAGE ALREADY.

THE MESSAGE I'D LIKE TO SEND IS WE WANT TO INCREASE JOBS.

WE WANT BUSINESSES TO TO LOOK AT JOBS, JOB CREATION WITHIN OUR CITY.

THAT'S WHY I WANT TO EXPEDITE THAT.

BUT THAT BEING AS IT IS, WE HAVE WE HAVE, UH.

EXTENDED THE PERMITTING PROCESS FOR SIX MONTHS FOR OTHER FIRMS. SO INSTEAD OF A YEAR, I PROPOSE WE EXTEND IT BY SIX MONTHS.

I THINK STAFF WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT SIX MONTHS WOULD BE SUFFICIENT, AND SO THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION FOR THIS TO BE SIX MONTHS EXTENSION AS OPPOSED TO A YEAR.

MAYOR, IF I MAY. YES. GO AHEAD.

I THINK I CERTAINLY I KNOW THIS IS AN ITEM THAT WE'VE APPROVED IN THE PAST, BUT I WOULD CONCUR TO YOUR PROPOSAL HERE TO SHORTEN THE TIME.

THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME.

THIS IS THE SECOND TIME.

SO I WOULD BE IN AGREEMENT TO A SHORTER EXTENSION.

OKAY. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, YOU HAVE? YEAH. YEAH. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. COME ON UP, SIR.

OKAY. GOTCHA.

OKAY. HI.

MY NAME IS FRED BOOZER. I'M THE OWNER.

THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE ASKED FOR AN EXTENSION.

AND THE REASON WE'RE ASKING FOR THE EXTENSION IS THE ENGINEER WE HIRED WAS FROM ALABAMA.

THE GUYS HERE, QUITE HONESTLY, ARE GOOD, BUT THEY'RE JUST BUSY.

AND WHEN I HIRED THEM, UNFORTUNATELY, HER DAUGHTER RAN AWAY FROM HOME.

AND HER PROJECT.

I DIDN'T PUSH THE PROJECT.

I JUST LET IT SIT.

QUITE FRANKLY, I WOULDN'T HAVE CHANGED THAT.

I THINK I WOULD HAVE STILL JUST LET IT SIT AND SQUAT LIKE IT DID.

THEY ASSIGNED ANOTHER ENGINEER AND I HAD TO KIND OF REBOOT A LITTLE BIT, BUT I REALLY THINK I CAN HAVE IT APPROVED WITHIN SIX MONTHS.

I DON'T WANT TO COME BACK AND ASK FOR ANOTHER SIX MONTHS.

SO THE YEAR WOULD BE GREAT BECAUSE IT JUST TAKES SOME PRESSURE OFF OF ME.

THERE'S ALSO ABOUT A BETWEEN A 30 AND $40,000 WATER CONNECTION FEE, AND I'M JUST TAPPING THE WATER, SO IT'D BE NICE FOR ME TO TAP THE WATER AND MAYBE PASS THAT FORWARD TO SOMEONE ELSE THAT NEEDS IT AROUND TOWN.

AND THERE'S ABOUT A PROBABLY 50 TO $75,000 A YEAR REAL ESTATE TAX CREATED ANNUALLY ON MY BILL.

AND WHEN IT'S DONE, SO KICKING ME THE HORSE A LITTLE BIT AND HURTING IT, I THINK I CAN GET IT DONE IN SIX MONTHS, BUT THERE'S REALLY NO REASON TO, I DON'T THINK, TO PUNISH ME FOR TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING.

SO YEAH, I'M NOT, I'M NOT.

SO YOU BELIEVE THAT SIX MONTHS BECAUSE THE INFORMATION I'VE RECEIVED IS FROM STAFF IS SIX MONTHS WOULD SUFFICE.

I REALLY DO, BUT I DON'T WANT TO COME BACK AND ASK FOR TWO WEEKS, SIX MONTHS FROM NOW.

AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, IT'S BEEN SUBMITTED.

AND IT'S IT'S A PRETTY RIGOROUS APPROVAL PROCESS THROUGH THE CITY.

BUT I'VE GOT SOME CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK FROM THE CITY.

NOTHING I DON'T DISAGREE WITH COMPLYING WITH.

IT JUST TAKES A LITTLE WHILE TO GET IT ALL GOING.

YEAH, MY MY CONCERN IS THAT WE'RE SETTING PRECEDENT HERE.

AND IF YOU COULD COMPLETE THIS IN SIX MONTHS, WE GRANT THE SIX MONTHS EXTENSION.

THAT'S HOW I'M LOOKING AT THIS.

WE'VE DONE IT BEFORE FOR SOMEONE ELSE THAT ASKS FOR A YEAR, AND WE SEND A MESSAGE THAT SIX MONTHS.

SO I'M I'M LOOKING TO REMAIN CONSISTENT ON THAT.

SO I'M GOING TO ASK THAT COUNCIL REVIEWS THIS AND GRANT THE SIX MONTHS EXTENSION.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

I THINK I CAN DO IT. OUTSTANDING.

ALL RIGHT SIR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANY QUESTIONS COUNCIL.

YES. I JUST WANT TO MAKE FOR THE RECORD, I WASN'T SURE I WAS CONFUSED TOO, SO I THOUGHT THE REFERENCE WAS TO THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION.

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YEAH. GIVING IT A PROPER THE FIRST TIME I HAVE REQUESTED AN EXTENSION.

OKAY. BUT HONESTLY IT'S PRETTY RIGOROUS GETTING APPROVAL.

SO IT MAY NOT BE MY LAST.

I MEAN, I'M NOT GONNA BE HONEST.

I'D BE HONEST WITH YOU. IT'S NOT A IT'S NOT AN EASY PROCESS.

I MEAN, YOU GUYS KNOW THAT THERE'S 20 DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE APPROVING IT AND COMMENTING.

AND AGAIN, I'M NOT THERE'S NO COMMENTS THAT I'M UPSET ABOUT.

IT'S CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM.

I'M TRYING TO GET THE PROJECT TO RUN SMOOTHER ONCE IT'S APPROVED.

SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT MAYBE STAFF IS HINDERING YOU FROM FROM.

NO I DON'T, BECAUSE NOW THAT I WANT TO PEEL THE ONION, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, I WANT TO PEEL THE ONION BACK ON THAT.

ACTUALLY, NO, I DON'T FEEL THAT WAY.

I FEEL THEY DO A VERY THOROUGH REVIEW.

AND THEN WHEN IT'S PERMITTED AND WE'RE ON THE JOB, IT GOES SMOOTHER.

SO I'M OKAY WITH THE REVIEW.

I'M A STRINGENT REVIEW BECAUSE WHEN IT IS ON THE JOB AND THERE'S A PROBLEM AND YOU CALL THE DEPARTMENT THAT IT'S APPROVED IT, THEY'RE USUALLY PRETTY QUICK TO HELP YOU SOLVE WHAT THE PROBLEM IS GOING FORWARD.

SO I HOPE I DIDN'T SAY THAT WRONG.

SO, MR. BOLGER, I'M GOING TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING, BECAUSE WHEN I WAS BRIEFED ON THIS, RIGHT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THERE WAS AN INITIAL MEETING.

AND THEN THERE'S BEEN A REVIEW, COMMENTS GOING BACK AND FORTH.

AND THEN THERE WAS A SUBSEQUENT MEETING RECENTLY.

IS THAT IS THAT ACCURATE INFORMATION? YOU KNOW, THERE'S A ENGINEERING PRE-CON MEETING THAT I'M NOT INVOLVED WITH.

I'M JUST THE OWNER.

THE ENGINEER HANDLES THAT.

THAT HAS BEEN DONE.

I THINK IT'S GOING SMOOTHLY.

IT'S JUST. IT'S JUST TAKING ME A LITTLE TIME.

THERE WAS A LITTLE HICCUP WITH THE THE ENGINEER WORKING ON IT, AND IT WAS A HEALTH ISSUE OR MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE.

AND I PUT THAT BEFORE MY OWN GREEDINESS TO PUSH MY OWN PROJECT.

OKAY. DO YOU FEEL AGAIN I'M GOING TO ASK AGAIN.

SIX MONTHS IS WHAT STAFF IS TELLING ME IS SUFFICIENT TO TO GET THIS DONE.

DO YOU KNOW THERE'S SOME OTHER STATE AGENCIES INVOLVED IN PERMITTING THAT THE CITY OF PALM BAY WILL RELY ON FOR THEIR APPROVALS? THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OUT OF MY HANDS TO SAY, WITHIN 100% SURE THAT WILL BE DONE.

THOSE APPLICATIONS ARE IN AND PENDING APPROVAL.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

SO I JUST DON'T WANT TO BE BACK HERE IN SIX MONTHS ASKING FOR ANOTHER EXTENSION.

AND YOU BE SAID, WELL, YOU SAID FRED, IT WAS DONE AND OVER WITH.

WELL, SEE, THAT'S WHERE I'M HAVING THE ISSUE WITH.

RIGHT, FRED? WHAT I'M HAVING THE ISSUE IS IF I DIDN'T DO IT, FOR ONE, I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO DO IT FOR ANYBODY ELSE.

I WOULDN'T WANT YOU TO. THAT'S MY WHOLE POINT.

SO IF IF YOU DON'T DO IT WITHIN SIX MONTHS AND YOU COME BACK, I'LL BE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOMEBODY ELSE WILL BE.

BUT I DON'T LIKE SETTING THAT PRECEDENT.

SO THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.

MY COMMENTS ARE NOW GOING TO BE DIRECTED TOWARD STAFFS UNLESS ANYBODY ELSE HAS QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT.

THANK YOU. YES, SIR.

THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO ADD, FRED? NO. IF I DO COME BACK IN SIX MONTHS, I'M GOING TO BE ABLE TO TELL YOU THE SAINT JOHN'S WATER MANAGEMENT HAS A HANG UP WITH THE PERMIT OR.

OKAY. AND I'LL HAVE A SPECIFIC REASON.

HOPEFULLY IT WON'T BE BACK.

HOPEFULLY I'LL BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

COPY THAT SIR. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE YOU. SO MY QUESTIONS NOW ARE FOR STAFF BECAUSE I'VE GOT.

I'VE GOT AN EMAIL THAT SPECIFICALLY SAYS THAT SIX MONTHS AND I DON'T WANT TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE HERE.

SIX MONTHS IS WHAT WOULD SUFFICE.

AND MY WHOLE POINT IS I WANT TO WHEN FOLKS COME IN TO GET A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND THEY SAY IT'S GOING TO BE A YEAR, THAT'S WHAT WE SAY. THAT'S WHAT'S ON THE BOOKS FOR US.

SO WITHIN THAT YEAR, THERE SHOULD BE A MESSAGE THAT IT SHOULD BE DONE WITHIN A YEAR.

AND THIS IS BEFORE YOU CAME UP WITH THE BEAUTIFICATION OF THE STORAGE FACILITIES.

RIGHT. SO THERE'S A LOT THAT'S HAPPENED SINCE THEN.

IT WITHIN THAT YEAR.

AND THAT'S THAT'S ANOTHER AREA OF CONCERN.

I DIDN'T WANT TO GO DOWN THAT PATH.

BUT YOU GUYS YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS SIR.

SO THAT MY MY QUESTION IS.

INCLUDING SAINT JOHN'S.

IS THAT GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE FULFILLED WITHIN SIX MONTHS? THANK YOU. MAYOR. LET ME PROVIDE SOME CLARITY IF I CAN.

SO THE THE APPLICANT IS ON THEIR THIRD ROUND OF REVIEWS.

THEY DID THE OUR SENIOR PLANNER DID SPEAK WITH THEIR ENGINEER LAST FRIDAY TO CLARIFY SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE IN THE REVIEWS.

THE PERMITTING AGENCIES THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED HERE ARE NOT JUST SAINT JOHN'S, BUT I BELIEVE FDOT, BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO BE A

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MY COMMENT FROM STAFF WAS THAT THEY WOULD THEY BELIEVE THEY WOULD NEED AT LEAST SIX MONTHS.

SO IT'S AT LEAST SIX MONTHS.

ALL RIGHT. WELL, I SHOULD HAVE NEVER PULLED IT.

I'M WILLING TO TO GIVE IT.

YOU KNOW, I'M JUST WHERE I'M AT.

I DON'T LIKE GOING OVER THE YEAR.

AND THAT'S WHERE I'M.

WHERE I'M AT. YOU GENTLEMEN OBVIOUSLY MAY HAVE BEEN FINE WITH THAT.

I'M STILL GOOD WITH THE SIX MONTHS, BUT AT LEAST AT THIS POINT HE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO TO DO IT.

MY CONCERN IS I ALREADY STATED IT.

COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

THIS IS SOMETHING WE APPROVED A YEAR AGO AND A YEAR AGO.

SO MUCH HAS CHANGED.

AND THAT'S WHY I BELIEVE THE MESSAGE OF GOING, IF YOU'RE COMING IN FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OF THE DAY AND EXECUTE IT.

THAT'S WHERE I'M STANDING.

BUT CARRY ON.

UM, I MOVE FOR FOR THE SIX MONTHS EXTENSION.

I NEED A SECOND.

WAIT. OH, I HAD A QUESTION FOR STAFF, AS YOU WERE WITH THE.

JUST SECOND IT FOR DISCUSSION, BUT CARRY ON.

CARRY ON. NO, I'LL, UM.

I'LL SECOND IT FOR DISCUSSION.

OKAY. YEAH. SO I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCIL OR MAYOR MEDINA, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

FOR THE SIX MONTH EXTENSION.

CARRY ON MISS MOSCONI WITH THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION THAT WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL, I THINK IT WAS EITHER TWO 1 OR 3 ONE VOTE.

DID THEY FINISH WITHIN THE SIX MONTHS? I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION.

I'M SORRY. OKAY.

UM, AND SO, BEING THAT AS IT MAY, I'VE VOTED AGAINST THAT ONE.

ONE THING, MAYOR, YOU HIT ON, YOU HIT ON A LOT OF GOOD STUFF.

WE TALKED ABOUT JOB CREATION.

STORAGE UNITS DON'T REALLY DO THAT.

AND WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY WITH THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION WITH MALABAR.

WE DON'T WE ONLY HAVE SO MUCH FLEXIBILITY WITH PUBLIC HEARINGS AND CONDITIONAL USES.

AND WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY WITH THE MALABAR LOCATION WHERE WE COULD HAVE DENIED AND PROVIDED POSSIBLY A DIFFERENT COMMERCIAL BUSINESS OR A DIFFERENT COMMERCIAL ENTITY TO BE THERE.

AND I SEE THIS AS THE SAME CASE.

SO I SECOND FOR DISCUSSION, BUT I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THIS AND I WILL WANT TO ENCOURAGE COUNCIL WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UPDATING THE CODES AND JOB CREATION.

THIS IS ANOTHER GOOD PARCEL WHERE NOW WE DO HAVE A LOT MORE DISCRETION TO PRETTY MUCH DECIDE WHAT WE WANT THERE.

SO I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING IT TONIGHT.

MAYOR. SO YOU'LL SUPPORT THE YEAR? I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING ANY EXTENSION.

OH. OKAY, WELL, THAT WAS AT LEAST GIVING THEM SIX MONTHS.

WELL, YOU KNOW, AND I'M CONSISTENT ON THIS ONE WITH THE MALABAR LOCATION.

I DIDN'T SUPPORT IT EITHER FOR THE SAME REASONS.

OKAY. UM, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, HERE, WE HAVE A LOT MORE DISCRETION AND FLEXIBILITY AS OPPOSED TO QUASI JUDICIAL.

SO COPY THAT.

YES, SIR. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT.

SO I'M AT LEAST GIVING SIX MONTHS AND YOU SECOND IT.

BUT WHAT.

CARRY ON MAN. THANK YOU SIR I JUST WANT TO MAKE ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION FOR THE RECORD THAT THIS THIS CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION CAME IN PRIOR TO THE ORDINANCE CHANGE THAT WE MADE THAT NOW PROVIDES TWO YEARS FOR COMMENCEMENT FOR A CONDITIONAL CONDITIONAL USE.

YES. SO THIS IS THE TWO YEARS IS NOT APPLICABLE TO THIS.

WHATEVER COUNCIL DECIDES IS GOING TO BE APPLICABLE TO THIS.

TO BE CLEAR. OKAY.

THANK YOU. UH COUNCILMAN.

FOSTER. YOU WANT TO WEIGH IN ON THIS? YEAH, I KNOW WE VOTED ON THIS A YEAR AGO.

I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER.

COUNCILMAN JOHNSON KIND OF REFRESH MY MEMORY ON IT.

UM, I'M GOOD WITH THE SIX MONTHS, BUT AFTER THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF I'LL BE ADDING ANY MORE, BUT I'M GOOD WITH THE SIX MONTHS.

ALL RIGHT, SIR? DEPUTY MAYOR.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. AS I SAID BEFORE, I THINK I AGREE TO, YOU KNOW, TO THE DEGREE OF THE EXTENT, THE EXTENSION FOR SIX MONTHS, IF STAFF IS SAYING THAT THIS IS THIS IS POTENTIALLY AT LEAST THAT AND AND FOR MANY MULTIPLE REASONS.

AND I SAID YOU LIST THEM QUITE, QUITE WELL.

[02:25:02]

OKAY. SO I GOT A MOTION BY MAYOR MEDINA, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE AYE.

ALL OPPOSED. NAY, NAY.

PASSES 3 TO 1.

COUNCILMAN JOHNSON VOTING IN THE NAY.

YOU HAVE SIX MONTHS, SIR.

WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER 12.

[12. Consideration of a grant agreement with Florida Department of Environmental Protection for septic-to-sewer conversions ($2,100,000).]

WE'LL LEAVE IT ALONE.

ALL RIGHT. OKAY.

THAT'S GREAT.

I'M GOING TO BE ADDRESSING YOU ONE MORE TIME OUT OF A KNOWLEDGE BASE INSTEAD OF EMOTIONAL BASE ON THIS TOPIC.

THIS COMES FROM LISA SOTO'S REPORT.

AND YOU ALL KNOW THAT LISA SOTO, WHEN SHE WORKED AT FIT, THAT'S WHEN I WAS THERE TOO, AS THEIR FIELD TECH ENGINEER FROM THE MARINE ENVIRONMENTAL SYSTEM.

SO WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, I'M TALKING FROM A KNOWLEDGE BASE AND NOT AN EMOTIONAL BASE.

THIS COMES FROM THE SLIME STUDY OF THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON FROM THE MRC.

THIS COMES OUT OF THE SUMMARY OF REPORT.

BEFORE HOOKING SEPTIC TANKS TO THE SEWER LINES.

THE SEWER LINES MUST BE CHECKED FOR LEAKS TO ELIMINATE THAT AS A POSSIBILITY.

SOURCE OF THE CONTAMINATION.

FURTHERMORE, THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT THAT IS TREATING THE SEWAGE MUST BE UPDATED TO ADVANCED TREATMENTS, NOT JUST THE CURRENT STANDARDS TO THE ADVANCED TREATMENT STANDARDS THAT WILL REDUCE THE NITROGEN CONCENTRATIONS.

ADDRESSING JUST THE SEPTIC TANK COMMUNITIES WOULD DO LITTLE TO REDUCE THE NUTRIENT POPULATION THAT CAN IMPACT THE LAGOON.

THESE ARE NOT MY STATEMENTS AND EMOTIONAL STATEMENTS.

THESE ARE SOME OF THE SECONDARY LINES THAT YOU'RE HEARING IN REPORTS.

BUT PEOPLE DON'T READ THE REPORTS.

YOU'RE HEARING ONE THING AND SAYING, OH, THIS IS GOING TO BE GOOD.

I'M DOING THIS FOR HEALTH REALITY.

IT'S BEING PUSHED BY GREEN ENERGY AND GREEN SOCIETY BECAUSE IT'S FUNDING SOURCE.

I KNOW THAT SOUNDS POLITICAL, BUT I'M TRYING TO BACK MINE BY THE RESULTS WITH THE DATA, AND I HAVE ALL THE DATA TO PROVE THESE NUMBERS AND FACTS IN THE REPORTS, RIGHT? THAT BEING SAID, I'LL REFER THIS ONE BACK TO THE TURKEY CREEK, WHERE THEY POINTED OUT THE SIMPLE FACT IN THEIR OWN REPORT THAT IT WAS THE FACT THAT THEY WERE GETTING CONTAMINATIONS FROM THE SEWER LINES THAT WAS COMING IN THAT WAS CAUSING PART OF THE SOLUTIONS INTO THE TURKEY CREEK SOLUTION.

BUT THAT DOESN'T GO WITH THE GREEN ENERGY PUSH TO GET THE GRANTS.

THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO POINT THIS STUFF OUT.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT DOING MANDATORY HOOKUP ISN'T A GOOD THING, I'M JUST SAYING BE CORRECT IN YOUR RATIONALES.

THE SECOND THING IS, BECAUSE I'M A I DON'T WANT PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT.

I DON'T LIKE PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT.

CAN YOU GUARANTEE THAT OUT OF THAT $2,100,000, THAT WHEN SEWER AND WATER BECOMES AVAILABLE OUT TO MY HOUSE BECAUSE IT'S ONLY AN EIGHTH OF A MILE AWAY NOW, WHEN IT BECOMES AVAILABLE AND THEY RUN IT DOWN THAT STREET TO ME, THAT YOU WILL HAVE MY SHARE OF THAT $2 MILLION, A GRANT TO GET MINE WAVE.

SO IT ONLY COSTS ME $100 TO HOOK UP.

CAN YOU GUARANTEE ME THAT NOW? BECAUSE I WANT IT ON RECORD IF YOU CAN.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I NEED A MOTION.

NOW WE GOT. WE GOT MORE SPEAKER ON THAT ONE.

MR.. BUTCH OREN.

WHICH ONE? YOU DON'T.

WE HAVE TO PUT YOUR RENT.

EXCUSE ME. PUT YOUR RENT TO 19 TRENTON AVENUE.

BILL STOLE MY THUNDER.

OKAY. I WAS GOING TO ASK THE SAME QUESTION.

FUTURE RESIDENTS.

ARE WE GOING TO HAVE SOME FUNDING AVAILABLE TO HELP US? AND IT MATTERS TO LOTS OF PEOPLE.

AND I KNOW I'M YEARS AWAY FROM GETTING CITY WATER AND CITY SEWER.

HELL IT'S BEEN. TEN YEARS, GETTING A ROAD PAVED AND I STILL AIN'T GOT IT.

SO THE OTHER THING, AND I FORGOT WHAT THE NAME OF THE $10 MILLION MONEY WAS.

WHAT WAS THAT SAUCE? IS THAT FOR PALM BAY ONLY OR IS THAT FOR BREVARD COUNTY WIDE? COUNTY WIDE. SO WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF THAT 10 MILLION WE WOULD GET.

WOULD THE DOLLARS BE AVAILABLE TO THE RESIDENTS AGAIN, OR WOULD IT GO TO THE CITY TO PUT THE SEWER AND WATER IN? THAT'S ALL I GOT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. MA'AM.

[02:30:01]

I WANT TO CLARIFY JUST TO YOUR TO YOUR LATTER POINT.

FIRST, THE THE SOIL PROGRAM IS MUCH LARGER THAN $10 MILLION.

THE $10 MILLION GRANT I WAS REFERENCING IS SPECIFICALLY FOR EXPANDING PALM BAY'S SEWER ACCESS IN THAT AREA.

THAT'S ONE THING THAT I WANTED TO CLARIFY, SIR, AND I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT THE COUNCIL HAS.

NEXT SPEAKER. IS DANIELLE MCCOY.

HI, MY NAME IS DANIELLE MCCOY.

SOUTHEAST PALM BAY.

AGAIN? I'M NEW.

I JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS.

IT DOES AFFECT ME.

I AM NOW MANDATED TO GET WATER.

I THINK IN 2027 IS MY DATE.

I DID NOT RECEIVE NOTICE I HAVE THIS.

I DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS.

I AM A VERY BUSY PERSON.

I WORK FOR JOBS, I AM HERE, I AM HERE INSTEAD OF AT THE HOSPITAL BECAUSE I FOUND OUT MY DAD CRACKED HIS HEAD 30 MINUTES BEFORE WALKING IN THIS DOOR.

BUT I'M HERE.

THIS DOES AFFECT ME.

AND I DID DO RESEARCH AND I DID LOOK AND FIND OUT OTHER INFORMATION.

AND I'M SORRY, CHANNEL SIX SAYS 100,000 GALLONS.

MAYBE THAT'S FALSE INFORMATION.

I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T HAVE TIME TO RESEARCH ALL THE DATA OUT THERE.

I HAD THE SAME QUESTION.

I'M NOT MANDATED FOR SEWER YET.

WILL THIS MONEY, THIS FUNDING, BE AVAILABLE TO ME WHEN IT DOES BECOME AVAILABLE AND NOW REQUIRED FOR ME TO GET SEWER? I, YOU KNOW, $20,000, $10,000 IS A LOT OF MONEY.

AND SO IF THAT'S AVAILABLE, PLEASE, YES, PLEASE PUT THIS FUNDING FOR THE PEOPLE YOU ARE NOW REQUIRING TO GET THIS FUNDS.

AND PLEASE MAKE IT AVAILABLE FOR THE PEOPLE DOWN THE LINE THAT ARE NOT CURRENTLY REQUIRED, BUT WILL BE SOON, BECAUSE NOW YOU'VE REQUIRED ONE GROUP.

IT'S COMING NEXT FOR US.

SO THAT'S YES, IT DOES AFFECT US.

EVEN THOUGH IT DIDN'T AFFECT ME TODAY ON THE SEWER.

IT AFFECTS ME TODAY ON THE WATER.

MY SECOND POINT IS THE $85 MINIMUM CHARGE NOW FOR SEPTIC AND WATER.

THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING $85 MINIMUM MONTHLY CHARGE.

SO IN 2011, I WORKED FOR YOU.

I WORKED FOR THE CITY OF PALM BAY, AND I GOT SICK, AND I HAD A LOT OF BILLS COMING UP, AND I GOT TO THE POINT WHERE I COULD NOT PAY MY TRASH BILL $50. I COULDN'T PAY IT, AND I WORKED FOR YOU GUYS.

ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE FUNDING AVAILABLE FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE NOW GETTING REQUIRED TO PAY AN $85 MONTHLY BILL AND CAN'T AFFORD IT? THAT'S THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU. IS THAT IT? DO YOU WANT TO? THANK YOU MA'AM.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

ONE THING THAT I WANTED TO TO CLARIFY IS THAT THE MANDATE BEGINS WHEN WE SEND THE NOTICE TO THE RESIDENTS.

AS OF RIGHT NOW, IN THE PLAN THAT WE PRESENTED WITH COUNCIL SUPPORT, WE ARE NOTICING RESIDENTS FOR SEWER CONNECTION BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE FUNDING TO OFFSET THEIR COSTS.

THE OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO JUST CLARIFY IS THAT YOU'RE CORRECT.

CHANNEL SIX NEWS DID REPORT 100,000 GALLONS, AND THAT WAS A STAFF ERROR.

THAT WAS A STAFF ERROR ON THE ON THE REPORTING.

EXCUSE ME. IT WAS IT WAS STILL 12,000 GALLONS, BUT IT WAS A STAFF ERROR.

AND THE REPORTING TO THE MEDIA, WHICH WE DID CLARIFY.

AND THEN THE $85 IS THE AVERAGE COST FOR SEWER AND WATER, NOT THE MINIMUM.

AND WE DO HAVE ALTHOUGH NOT TO, TO TAKE AWAY FROM, FROM WHAT WAS SAID.

BUT WE DO OFFER PAYMENT PLANS AND HARDSHIP PLANS ON ALL UTILITY BILLS OR ANYONE WHO REQUESTS THEM FROM OUR UTILITIES DEPARTMENT. THEY DO WORK WITH MANY RESIDENTS ON ANY ISSUES THAT THEY HAVE.

BUT WE CAN'T GUARANTEE IN THE FUTURE OUR GUARANTEE IS TO CONTINUE TO LOBBY OUR STATE LEGISLATORS AND FOR FUTURE APPROPRIATIONS.

YES, SIR. AND TO THAT POINT, WE HAVE SUBMITTED, WITH COUNSEL, SUPPORT, A $5 MILLION REQUEST TO THE STATE LEGISLATURE FOR APPROPRIATION TO CONTINUE THIS SESSION, TO CONTINUE TO FUND THIS PROGRAM.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

ANY ANY OTHER.

OKAY. THERE'S NO CARD.

[02:35:02]

I NEED A MOTION. SO MOVED.

SECOND. HE CAN TAKE IT.

I GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

ANY DISCUSSION? NO, SIR. DEPUTY MAYOR.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. ALL RIGHT.

PASSES FOUR ZERO.

WE ARE NOW ON NEW BUSINESS.

[NEW BUSINESS]

THANKS, MAYOR. COUNCIL CONSENSUS IS REQUESTED FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS INTERESTED IN ATTENDING THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES LEGISLATIVE CONFERENCE, WHICH WILL BE IN ORLANDO FROM NOVEMBER 30TH TO DECEMBER 1ST, 2023.

UH COUNCILMAN.

JOHNSON IS NOT GOING.

I KNOW THAT I'LL BE GOING TO AN ANTI-SEMITIC CONFERENCE, SO I WON'T BE GOING.

I WILL, DEPUTY MAYOR, I WILL ATTEND.

DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX IS GOING.

AND SO ONE OUT OF ONE OUT OF FOUR ARE GOING.

AND NOW I'M ON COUNCIL REPORTS.

COUNCILMAN FOSTER.

[COUNCIL REPORTS]

I WON'T BE AT THE PARADE.

I'M SORRY, I WISH I COULD MAKE IT, BUT MY HEARTS GO OUT TO YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

THE VETERANS WILL MAKE THIS COUNTRY GREAT.

AND THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DEDICATION TO THIS COUNTRY AND YOUR SERVICE TO OUR MILITARY.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MAN. THANK YOU.

AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

COUNCILMAN FOSTER.

MR. JOHN COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

NO REPORT. DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

MAYOR, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

I'M TRYING TO PULL THIS REQUEST.

I'M NOT SURE IF YOU GENTLEMEN GOT A REQUEST FROM SOME OF OUR VETERANS.

IT'S A BILL.

SENATE BILL.

I WANT TO SAY 712.

DO YOU HAVE IT PULLED UP? I CAN'T, SO I HAVE SEVERAL REQUESTS ASKING, SHOULD THIS COUNCIL OR PERSONALLY, YOU KNOW, IF I WOULD SUPPORT THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU RECEIVE ANY EMAIL LIKE THAT IN THAT SORT.

MAYOR I RECEIVED SEVERAL BUT BILLS SO I'M OKAY.

SO SO THIS PARTICULAR ONE HAS TO DO WITH AND COUNCILMAN FOSTER, PLEASE WEIGH IN.

I KNOW YOU AS A VETERAN, YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT IS, IS AS YOU APPLY FOR A VA LOAN AND YOU DON'T GRANT THE THE BENEFIT UNTIL AFTER YOU GO THROUGH UNDERWRITING THROUGH THE MORTGAGE.

SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT THIS BILL, THE MODIFICATION IN THE BILL IS TO ALLOW THE QUALIFICATION PRIOR.

SO WHERE BEFORE IT GOES TO IT'S NOT BEING A CONSIDERATION.

IS THAT A STATE BILL.

IT'S A STATE BILL. SENATE BILL 172.

SO IT MAKES SENSE TO ME.

SO THE REQUEST IS TO IF WE WOULD SUPPORT RATHER THROUGH A RESOLUTION OR LETTERS TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE SENATE, THE. SO I WANTED TO BRING IT FORTH.

THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD CERTAINLY BE IN SUPPORT OF RATHER THROW A LETTER OR RESOLUTION, JUST WANTING TO BRING IT UP TO THE BOARD, TO COUNCIL TO SEE HOW YOU GUYS KNOW FEEL ABOUT IT.

OR WE CAN CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, REVISIT THAT IF NEED BE.

YOU GUYS WANT TO LOOK INTO IT FURTHER.

SO JUST SO THE PUBLIC IS AWARE IS THE QUALIFYING PERIOD TO GET THAT THE UNDERWRITING THE LOAN, CORRECT? CORRECT. SO THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THAT'S WHAT THE BILL WOULD DO.

YEAH. AND ALLOW THAT IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

CORRECT. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. YEAH I'M GOOD WITH WITH THAT.

WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS COUNCILMAN JOHNSON I'M FINE WITH LOOKING INTO IT.

I GOT SAME EMAILS FROM 20 DIFFERENT.

IT'S A SYSTEM. YEAH.

YOU SAW IT. IT WAS A SYSTEM I REMEMBER NOW.

SO WHAT IT IS AND SOME OF THESE ADVOCACY.

WEBSITES YOU JUST PUT IN YOUR NAME AND PUT IN WHO YOU'RE SENDING IT TO, AND THEY'LL JUST FLOOD ON SEVERAL EMAILS WITH THE EXACT SAME WORDING, EXCEPT WHERE THEY'LL CHANGE.

DEAR COUNCILMEMBER JOHNSON TO DEAR DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX OR DEAR MAYOR MEDINA UM TRACK.

SOME OF THEM ARE FROM OUR WE HAVE SOME OF OUR VETERAN.

THERE WERE SOME PALM BAY ERS, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THEM WERE FROM OUTSIDE OUTSIDE VERO BEACH, DAVIE, FLORIDA, KEY LARGO, PLANT CITY, SAINT AUGUSTINE.

SO I WOULD FIRST, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH RESEARCH YOU'VE LOOKED INTO IT, DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

SO I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT, BUT I WANT TO LIMIT I WOULD WANT TO LOOK INTO IT MYSELF.

TO WHAT? WHAT STAFF HELP ME DID.

[02:40:01]

AND THEY DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO HAVE THAT GREAT OF AN IMPACT IN TERMS OF IN TALLAHASSEE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, IT JUST ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, LEFT IT OFF TO US.

OKAY. SO THAT'S SOMETHING CERTAINLY STAFF CAN LOOK INTO.

THIS WOULD BE DIFFERENT THAN LOBBYING.

THIS WOULD BE A LETTER IN SUPPORT OF SENATE BILL AND DIRECTLY SENDING IT TO THE SENATE PRESIDENT.

CORRECT. THAT THAT'S THAT'S ALL IN ESSENCE WHAT WE'RE DOING.

AND I'M GOOD WITH THAT.

SO YEAH. SO I'M GOOD WITH I'M GOOD WITH THAT THEN.

YEAH. OKAY. PERFECT.

PERFECT. AND COUNCILMAN FOSTER YOU'RE GOOD WITH THAT AS WELL.

I COULDN'T HEAR WHAT THE DEPUTY MAYOR WAS SAYING.

IT'S A SENATE BILL FOR VETERANS OR SOMETHING.

YEAH, FOR THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

IT'S NOT ON THE ON THE FEDERAL SIDE, SIR.

SO WE'RE GOING TO SEND A LETTER TO THE THE SENATE PRESIDENT TO SUPPORT THAT BILL.

MAYOR, I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S THE BILL FOR THE BILL IS FOR WHAT? WHAT'S THE BILL DOES? COUNCILWOMAN. FOSTER. SO WHAT THE BILL ESSENTIALLY DO IS TO THANK ONCE THE VETERAN APPLY FOR A LOAN OR MORTGAGE.

SO THE PROCESS GOES THROUGH, I BELIEVE IT GOES THROUGH UNDERWRITING.

SO WHAT THAT BILL ESSENTIALLY WOULD DO KIND OF BYPASS THAT SOMETIME IT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THE WAY IT IS NOW, IT DOESN'T HELP.

SO THE BILL ESSENTIALLY WOULD EASE THE PROCESS OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. IF IT PASSES.

IF IT PASSES IT, WE DON'T GET A VOTE ON THAT.

IT'S JUST SHOWING SUPPORT FOR OUR VETERAN COMMUNITY.

PRETTY MUCH WITH THE HOME BUYING OPPORTUNITY.

YEAH, I'M GOOD WITH IT.

ALL RIGHT. SIR. MAYOR.

THE SECOND THING WHICH I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT IS SO WITH THE REQUEST, WITH THE INFLUX OF, OF OF FOLKS, THAT OF FOREIGN LANGUAGE THAT COME INTO OUR CITY AND OUR COUNTY.

SO I HAVE RECEIVED SEVERAL, SEVERAL REQUESTS TO LOOK AT OUR EDUCATION, ADULT EDUCATION SYSTEM.

HOW IS IT SERVING OUR COMMUNITY OF OF, YOU KNOW, SPEAK OF DIFFERENT LANGUAGE, WHETHER CREOLE OR SPANISH.

SO OUR CURRENT I'M CURRENTLY WORKING WITH CHAIRMAN SUSAN, MATT SUSAN FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD, WHICH DOESN'T REALLY ENGAGE THE CITY PER SE DIRECTLY IN TERMS OF OR, YOU KNOW, FINANCIALLY, BUT IT'S JUST US COLLABORATING WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD. TRY TO FACILITATE A PILOT PROGRAM FOR MORE.

SO FOR HAITIAN CREOLE THAT ARE ADULTS THAT ARE SEEKING TO LEARN ENGLISH POTENTIALLY LEAD TO GED OR HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA, BUT THIS IS AN EFFORT THAT WE'VE BEEN FAR AHEAD AND WORKING WITH THE WITH THE CHAIRMAN.

HE BROUGHT HIS ADMINISTRATION ON BOARD.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT POSSIBLE WAY TO KIND OF PILOT A PROGRAM THAT ESSENTIALLY COULD SERVE THIS SEGMENT OF OUR COMMUNITY.

AND AS IT PROVEN TO WORK, WE CAN ESSENTIALLY CAN CAN BROADEN IT.

AND THE COMMUNITY IS VERY INVOLVED.

CHURCHES ARE INVOLVED.

IT'S MORE OF A HANDS ON COMMUNITY PUBLIC PARTNERSHIP, JUST REALLY IN THE EFFORT TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY BETTER, THEIR EDUCATION, SOMETHING THAT COULD ESSENTIALLY LEAD TO JOB OPPORTUNITY AND SO ON.

SO I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT.

YEAH. WELL, JUST SO YOU GUYS AND THANK YOU FOR THAT BECAUSE THAT'S SO CRITICALLY IMPORTANT.

AND AND JUST SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THE BREVARD HISPANIC CENTER HAS BEEN DOING THAT FOR OVER A DECADE OF HELPING OTHERS, ALONG WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD, PROVIDING ENGLISH AS A SECOND LANGUAGE.

MANY, YOU KNOW, THEIR LATIN AMERICANS THAT COME HERE, PROFESSIONALS, THEY'RE THEY'VE BEEN EDUCATED.

AND WHETHER IT'S COLOMBIA OR SOUTH AMERICAN COUNTRIES, BUT THEIR DEFICIENCY IN ENGLISH, THEY'RE NOT THEY CAN'T COMMUNICATE SO THAT THIS BRIDGES THAT GAP AND AND HAS ASSISTED.

THERE'S SEVERAL INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE IMPROVED THEIR ENGLISH AND GOTTEN PROFESSIONAL JOBS IN SEEK OF THAT.

JAVIER MOLINA'S DOES A GREAT JOB WITH THAT.

PERHAPS YOU COULD USE THAT FACILITY IN PARTNERSHIP.

CERTAINLY, BECAUSE THEY ALREADY HAVE AN INFRASTRUCTURE BASE THERE.

AND THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE INSTRUCTORS.

SO THAT'S A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD TOO.

SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER THAT TOO.

DEPUTY MAYOR. YEAH, THAT'S A CONVERSATION I PREVIOUSLY HAVE WITH JAVIER AS WELL.

BUT I CAN TELL YOU, CHAIRMAN MATT SUZANNE TRULY, TRULY HAS BEEN HANDS ON.

[02:45:02]

WE'VE BEEN TO SEVERAL CHURCHES THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS WHERE.

YEAH, WITH CHAIRMAN SUZANNE AND THAT'S AWESOME.

YEAH, IT'S PRETTY COOL. SO TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY IS VERY EMBRACED AND THE PASTORS ARE EXCITED.

THEY'RE WILLING TO.

SO LIKE I SAID, IT'S AN EFFORT WITH THE CHURCH AND INVOLVE AND EDUCATING SOME OF OUR CITIZENS.

THAT'S AWESOME. THANK YOU FOR THAT REPORT.

I'M GOING TO START OFF WITH THE WAY COUNCILMAN FOSTER STARTED OFF.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO MEET AGAIN BEFORE VETERANS DAY, BUT HAPPY VETERANS DAY TO EVERYONE OUT THERE THAT SERVED THIS NATION THAT DOWN THE UNIFORM.

I TRULY APPRECIATE YOU.

THAT'S THE FIRST THING. THEN THE SECOND THING I WANTED TO SHARE IS OUR VETERANS DAY PARADE COMING OUT.

IT'S GOING TO BE SPECIAL.

FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THERE'S GOING TO BE A FLYOVER BY THE.

301ST, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.

I'M HOPING THAT THAT'S ACCURATE INFORMATION.

I KNOW THAT IT IS A POSSIBILITY.

AND THEN I ALSO WANTED TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY.

AND WE HAVE AN EMPLOYEE IN THE CITY THAT'S BEEN WITH THE CITY, THE PALM BAY POLICE DEPARTMENT, FOR OVER 40 YEARS.

NOW UNDERSTAND THIS.

THIS CITY IS ONLY 60.

IN 63 YEARS OLD.

40 YEARS SHE'S GIVEN TO HER LIFE, TO THIS CITY.

SHE IS GIANNI.

PAOLO. SHE'S THE OFFICE MANAGER.

THE EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT TO CHIEF ANGELO.

SHE ALSO SHOULD BE RECOGNIZED THAT SHE RECEIVED THE FLORIDA POLICE CHIEF ASSOCIATION ADMINISTRATIVE OF THE YEAR AWARD.

AND TODAY IT'S HER BIRTHDAY.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, GIANNI.

GOD BLESS YOU. GOD BLESS YOU.

THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT.

ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS.

YES. THANK YOU. MAYOR.

[ADMINISTRATIVE AND LEGAL REPORTS]

I WAS GOING TO HYPE OUR VETERANS DAY PARADE, AND I'LL CONTINUE TO DO SO.

JUST TO NOTE, THE CITY WILL BE CLOSED ON NOVEMBER 10TH IN OBSERVANCE OF VETERANS DAY.

BUT THIS CAMPUS WILL BE VERY BUSY.

ON NOVEMBER 11TH, WE HAVE A PARADE.

IT STARTS SHARPLY AT 10 A.M.

IT PROCEEDS FROM HERE INTO THE AMERICAN LEGION POST DOWN THE ROAD ON MALABAR.

BUT AFTER THAT WE HAVE A AN OLD BUT NEW EVENT, SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T HAD IN MANY YEARS THAT WE'RE BRINGING BACK THIS YEAR.

WE'RE GOING TO ALSO HAVE A VETERANS DAY CELEBRATION PROMPTLY FOLLOWING THE PARADE.

IT'S GOING TO BE AT VETERANS PARK ON PORT MALABAR, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE VENDORS THAT ARE FROM VETERAN OWNED BUSINESSES. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SERVICES FOR VENDORS.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A KIDS ZONE.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LIVE MUSIC.

THE AMERICAN LEGION POST 117 THAT WE'RE ENDING THE PARADE AT.

THEY'LL BE THERE SELLING FOOD AND BEVERAGES FOR ALL.

AND WE DO KNOW THAT BREVARD COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE WILL BE DOING A FLYOVER AT THAT EVENT.

SO WE REALLY ENCOURAGE OUR RESIDENTS TO COME OUT TO THESE FREE EVENTS AND FREE OPPORTUNITIES IN OUR CITY.

THIS KICKS OFF ACTUALLY, THE FALL FESTIVAL KICKS OFF A A LONG SEASON OF EVENTS ALMOST EVERY WEEKEND.

OUR RECREATION AND PARKS AND FACILITIES DEPARTMENT WILL HAVE SOMETHING GOING ON, SO PLEASE CHECK OUT OUR WEBSITE, FOLLOW US ON FACEBOOK SO YOU CAN ATTEND OUR EVENTS.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU MA'AM AND SOMETHING ELSE I WANTED TO ADD.

SO LAST COUNCIL, WE APPROVED THE FLAG FOR PURPLE HEART RECIPIENT MARK GRAY.

SO WE'RE GOING TO FLY.

WE'RE GOING TO HOIST THE FLAG AT ABOUT ZERO 930 ON VETERANS DAY.

SO HE'LL BE THERE.

HE'LL WITNESS IT. SO WE'RE ADDING THAT TO IT.

SO I'M REALLY HONORED WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT.

THANK YOU FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED WITH THAT.

SO NOW WE'RE ON OH MADAM SMITH.

ANY ANY REPORTS, MA'AM? NO, SIR. NOW WE'RE ON PUBLIC COMMENTS.

WHO ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK?

[PUBLIC COMMENTS/RESPONSES]

I HAVEN'T USED MY THREE MINUTES YET EITHER.

MY NAME IS BUTCHER. RAN 219 TRENTON AVENUE.

I JUST WANT TO SAY A BIG THANKS TO THE PUBLIC WORKS FOLKS.

UM, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU ARE AWARE OF THE FLOODING ON THE SIDEWALK FROM JUPITER IN FRONT OF THE SCHOOL THERE.

I CALLED, SENT THEM GUYS SOME PICTURES, AND I'LL BE THEY'VE GOT THE MUD PIT LEVELED OUT.

THEY'VE GOT THE SIDEWALK CLEAN AND CLEAR.

PLUS, THEY PUT A NEW DRAINAGE DITCH ALL THE WAY DOWN TO SOME ROAD WAY DOWN THE ROAD HERE.

AND THAT WAS THE DONE BY THE JOHN MCCALL WHO'S THE ENGINEER PROJECT MANAGER.

[02:50:03]

SAID, THIS IS A FRICKING MESS.

YOU NEED TO GET IT CLEANED UP.

I COULD NOT BELIEVE CITY GOVERNMENT MOVED THAT FAST.

LESS THAN A WEEK THEY HAD IT DONE AND IT'S STILL HIGH AND DRY.

AND THE PERMITTING THING.

DO YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT.

THAT'S A JUNGLE.

TRYING TO GET ANYTHING PERMITTED TO BUILD IN PALM BAY AS A CITIZEN.

I GOT A FRIEND OF MINE WHO'S HAVING A BUILT A MOTHER IN LAW COURSE.

I THINK HE'S ON HIS ABOUT HIS EIGHTH MONTH AND HE'S FINALLY GETTING IT DOWN TO THE FINAL PERMIT.

SO IT'S A IT'S A JUNGLE.

SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MASTER CHIEF.

AND THEN. DID YOU RAISE YOUR HAND, SIR? COME ON, GET CLOSER.

BILL BATTEN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

I'VE GOT THREE ITEMS TO ADDRESS THIS TIME.

FIRST, WHEN I'M ADDRESSING THE PUBLIC.

AND TO YOU.

I TRY TO DO IT IN A IN A MANNER WHERE I DON'T COME ACROSS AS ABRASIVE, BUT I DO TRY TO COME ACROSS AS A PERSON WHO'S DONE THEIR HOMEWORK, AND I HOPE THAT'S WHY IT'S PRESENTED.

SO WHEN I GET CHALLENGED ON IT, INSTEAD OF SAYING, WELL, BEING SOMEWHAT PRESENTABLE AND POLITE TO ME, TO BE TOLD THAT I MIGHT AS WELL JUST GO SIT ON MY FRONT YARD, IT WAS KIND OF INSULTING.

THAT'S NUMBER ONE.

SO WHEN I GET OFFENDED, I RESPOND OUT OF A DIFFERENT BAG THAN WHAT I TRIED TO APPROACH THE DAIS WITH UNDER NORMAL BASIS.

AND THAT'S I'M SAYING THAT UP FRONT.

THAT'S WHO I AM.

THAT'S WHY I COULD NEVER SIT THERE, BECAUSE I WOULD BE CONFRONTED WHEN SOMEBODY CONFRONTED ME.

ITEM NUMBER TWO.

YOU RECOGNIZE THE GIS MAPPING SYSTEM I'VE BEEN TRYING FOR THE LAST, I DON'T KNOW, SEVERAL MONTHS TO BRING UP THE INTERACTIVE GIS MAP ON THE CITY WHERE YOU CAN.

IT'LL TELL YOU YOUR ZONING.

I USE ALMOST ALL OF THE OTHERS WORK, BUT MY ZONING MAP DOES NOT LOAD, SO I CAN'T SAY.

SOMEBODY SAYS, WELL, WHAT AM I ZONED? I SAY, I DON'T KNOW, LET ME BRING UP MY WEBSITE AND I'LL BRING IT UP.

WHEN YOU CLICK ON IT.

THE PROGRAM LOADS, BUT THE MAP DOES NOT LOAD INTO THE PROGRAM, SO IT'S USELESS.

BUT IT'S ADVERTISED AS THERE.

AND THAT'S AN IMPORTANT TOPIC BECAUSE PEOPLE SAY, WHAT'S MY ZONING? WHAT'S MY FUTURE ZONING GOING TO BE? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.

WHEN THEY'RE GETTING READY TO CHANGE ZONING TO SOME SOME LOCATION NEXT TO THEM, THEY WANT TO KNOW IT.

RIGHT. AND THE LAST ITEM WAS TALKING ABOUT THE WATER AND SEPTIC HOOKUP.

I'M GOING BACK TEN YEARS AND I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT TIMEFRAME.

AND I BELIEVE IT WAS MILO ZONKA WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS, ONE OF THE PROPOSALS THAT HE PRESENTED WAS THE FACT THAT YOU COULD GET A CUT RATE, BECAUSE I MIGHT NOT SEE IT AVAILABLE FOR ME FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.

BUT IF I WAS WILLING AND THEY SAID, WELL, MAYBE SOME PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO SIGN UP FOR A CUT RATE NOW THAT WOULD BE REVENUE COMING INTO THE CITY AND SAY, OKAY, YOU PAID IN ADVANCE. SO WE'VE WE'VE GOT YOU LOCKED IN.

AND HERE WAS SOME MECHANISM.

IT'LL ACCOMPLISH TWO THINGS.

IT'LL MAKE THAT HOMEOWNER FEEL A LITTLE MORE SECURE, THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THE MASSIVE OUTLAY, BUT IT'S GOT TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S ENTICING TO THEM.

AND TWO, IT'LL BRING IN REVENUE TO THE CITY TO HELP FIGHT PART OF THE PROBLEM.

AND IT COULD JUST SIT THERE FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS, BUT THE PERSON WILL WILL FEEL SECURE.

IT'S LIKE A LIFE INSURANCE PROGRAM.

YOU HOPE YOU NEVER NEED IT, BUT IF IT'S THERE, YOU GOT IT, YOU PAID FOR IT AND A ONE TIME PAYMENT.

THAT BEING SAID, MAY YOU ALL HAVE A GOOD EVENING AND THANKS FOR THE VETERANS DAY PARADE.

THANK YOU, BUT I WILL NOT BE FIGHTING THE CROWDS.

THANK YOU. MATT RUSS, 2130 WINBROOK DRIVE.

JUST SO THAT YOU DON'T FEEL THAT GOLFERS IN PALM BAY ARE DEMANDING AND ASKING ALL THE TIME ON VETERANS DAY, THERE IS A FOLDS OF HONOR BEING FUNDRAISER GOLF TOURNAMENT AT SPESSARD HOLLAND AND I WILL BE PARTICIPATING IN THAT.

AND THAT USUALLY GENERATES OVER $50,000 TO FOLDS OF HONOR.

SO GIVING BACK.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

YES. NATHAN WHITE, 1301 SEABURY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

I'M HOPING THERE'S SOMETHING I'M MISSING HERE WITH REGARDS TO THE $2.1 MILLION GRANT FOR THE SEPTIC TO SEWER

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AND BASED ON THE MOST UPDATED NUMBERS FROM BREVARD COUNTY, IT SHOULD BE ABLE TO ASSIST WITH CONVERSION OF 140 HOMES.

THAT BREAKS DOWN TO $15,000 PER HOME FOR A CONVERSION.

AND ACCORDING TO THE OTHER AGENDA ITEM, WE HAVE 32,000 SEWER SEPTIC TANKS IN PALM BAY THAT WE ENDEAVOR TO CONVERT EVENTUALLY.

THAT'S $480 MILLION AT TODAY'S PRICE.

SO I'M ASSUMING PART OF THE BECAUSE PART OF THE RATIONALE MENTIONED FOR THE MANDATE WAS THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE ACCESS TO MORE GRANT FUNDING.

SO ASSUMING THAT WE GET MORE GRANT FUNDING EACH YEAR OR STATE APPROPRIATIONS, THEN WE HAVE THIS YEAR.

SO WE GOT 2.1 MILLION FROM THE STATE APPROPRIATIONS.

AND THAT'S GOOD. SO LET'S ASSUME WE GET MORE.

LET'S JUST SAY LET'S SAY WE GET DOUBLE IF WE DON'T ACCOUNT FOR INFLATION AND WE'RE GETTING DOUBLE THE STATE APPROPRIATIONS THAN WE DID THIS YEAR, WE'LL BE DONE IN ABOUT 114 YEARS.

IF WE WAIT FOR THE CITY TO BE ABLE TO USE GRANT FUNDING AND THE STATE APPROPRIATIONS TO PAY FOR IT FOR THE RESIDENTS, AND DON'T SADDLE THEM WITH THE EXPENSES.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S WITH NO INFLATION OVER THOSE 114 YEARS.

SO WE HAVE APPARENTLY UPDATED NUMBERS FROM BREVARD COUNTY REGARDING THE COSTS OF THE CONVERSION, WHICH EQUALS OUT TO ABOUT $15,000 PER HOME.

SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THIS MATH MAKES SENSE WITH WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED BY THIS COUNCIL TONIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR.

I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO HAVE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, MS..

GIANCARLO BROWN ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT THE CALCULATION.

SO THE CALCULATION IN THE MEMO, IT TAKES THE AVERAGE COST FROM THE CONTRACTORS UNDER THE PROGRAM, AND IT LEASES OUT OR DEDUCTS THE $5,660 IN UTILITY RELATED IMPACT FEE AND MAINLINE EXTENSION FEE WAIVERS THAT COUNCIL HAS GRANTED.

AND THEN THAT TOTAL DIVIDED BY THE 2.1 MILLION IS HOW WE GOT TO THE ROUGH ESTIMATE, GIVE OR TAKE, ON HOW MANY HOMES AND HOW MANY HOUSEHOLDS WE WOULD, WE BELIEVE WOULD BE ABLE TO ASSIST.

THANK YOU MA'AM. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? YES, MA'AM.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MAYOR.

MY NAME IS ASHLEY BURKE.

I'M THE FOUNDER OF SPACE COAST BUNNIES, AND I SENT YOU SOME EMAILS WITH SOME INFORMATION.

I JUST WANTED TO COME BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING AND GIVE YOU SOME HARD COPIES AND INTRODUCE MYSELF.

I'M SO GRATEFUL FOR COUNCILMAN JOHNSON'S TIME TODAY.

JUST TO GIVE HIM A RUNDOWN ON THE SITUATION.

RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE A HANDFUL OF CASES IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY WHERE THERE ARE MULTIPLE RABBITS, DOMESTIC RABBITS RUNNING FREELY AND CREATING COLONIES, WHICH IS GOING TO BE AN EXPENSE ON THE CITY.

THIS HAS BEEN AN ISSUE IN OTHER LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE STATE.

THIS IS A STATEWIDE PROBLEM AND IT'S AN ANIMAL CONTROL ISSUE.

THAT IS, IT'S A GAP THAT'S HAPPENING IN OUR COUNTY, AND I'M HOPING TO GET THE CITY OF PALM BAY TO HELP ENCOURAGE THE COUNTY TO TAKE ACTION AT THE COUNTY LEVEL RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO BE A HUGE COST.

THIS IS A PROPERTY CONCERN.

THIS IS A CONSUMER PROTECTION ISSUE.

THERE ARE DOWN IN WILTON MANORS, DOWN IN FORT LAUDERDALE.

THEY HAD A COLONY FROM A RESIDENT WHO LET TWO BUNNIES GO, AND IT TURNED INTO ABOUT 100.

AND IT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT A $40,000 EXPENSE ON THE CITY AND CREATED A LOT OF CONFLICT BETWEEN RESIDENTS.

AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE BEEN RAISING THE ALARM BELLS GOING AROUND TO THE OTHER CITIES WITHIN THE COUNTY, AS WELL AS THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TRYING TO GET THEM TO TAKE SOME ACTION NOW TO BE PROACTIVE, BECAUSE IF WE WAIT UNTIL IT BECOMES AS BAD AS A FERAL CAT PROBLEM, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO FIX IT AT THAT POINT, AND IT'LL JUST BE CONTINUALLY TRYING TO MANAGE IT.

SO WE'RE HOPING TO GET SUPPORT FROM FROM YOU ALL AS WELL TO FOR THE COUNTY TO DO SOMETHING AND ANIMAL SERVICES HAS RESPONDED TO YOU, OR ANIMAL SERVICES DOES NOT HAVE THE RESOURCES TO HANDLE RABBITS.

AND SO THE WE'VE BEEN SHOULDERING THE RABBIT SITUATION WITH MY RESCUE.

SO WHAT HAPPENS RIGHT NOW IS FAMILIES GO TO THE PET STORE.

THEY THINK THEY'RE GETTING A CUTE BUNNY FOR THEIR KIDS.

YOU KNOW, THEY GET A COUPLE AND NEXT THING THEY KNOW THEY'VE GOT A LITTER OR TWO.

SO I DON'T WANT TO GO OVER MY TIME.

BUT WHEN THEY HAVE ANIMALS THAT THEY HAVE NO PLACE TO TURN TO GET RID OF THEM, THE SHELTERS WON'T TAKE THEM.

MY RESCUE IS WAY BEYOND OUR ABILITY TO TO RESPOND TO IT.

THEN THEY TURN TO DUMPING AND THEN IT BECOMES COLONIES AND NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THEY'RE DESTROYING LANDSCAPING, EATING INTERNET AND DIRECT T.V.

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AND YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THE CITY TO DO WHAT WE WOULD LIKE THE CITY TO EITHER SEND A LETTER OR PASS A RESOLUTION DECLARING THEIR SUPPORT FOR THE COUNTY TO TAKE ACTION.

THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT THEY CAN DO.

ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS FOR THEM TO PROHIBIT THE SALE OF RABBITS AND PET STORES, AS THEY'VE ALREADY PROHIBITED THE SALE OF DOGS AND CATS IN THE COUNTY.

WE NEED TO PROHIBIT RABBITS AS WELL BECAUSE OF OVERPOPULATION.

YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO HAVE STAFF LOOK INTO THIS AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.

IN PARTICULAR, DO YOU KNOW OF ANY PALM BAY COLONIES? YEAH, I HAVE SOME ADDRESSES ON MY PHONE.

IS THAT RIGHT? YES.

CAN YOU GIVE ME AN IDEA OF WHERE? NORTHWEST. SOUTHEAST THROUGHOUT.

THERE'S A FEW. THERE ARE.

YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

YEAH. CAN WE LOOK INTO THAT? WOULD YOU? YEAH, YEAH.

THANK YOU. FOR YOUR INFORMATION, I'M GOING TO HAVE YOU CONNECT WITH MISS BROWN HERE BEFORE YOU LEAVE AND GET YOUR INFORMATION, AND WE'LL WE'LL LOOK INTO IT.

CERTAINLY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENTION.

CAN I GIVE YOU HARD COPIES? SURE. ABSOLUTELY.

THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO, MAN.

YOU GOT ONE OF THESE ON? ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? SEEING NONE. THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.