OKAY. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER AT 701.
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CAN WE PLEASE HAVE A ROLL CALL? REBECCA TIBBOTT.VERY GOOD. SO THE FIRST THING WE NEED TO DO IS AN ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES FROM 927
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2023. AND IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, WE HAVE TO DO THAT ONE INDIVIDUALLY AND THEN.AN ADOPTION THAT THERE WAS NO MEETING BECAUSE WE DID NOT HAVE QUORUM AT THE LAST MEETING.
SO WE DO OFFICIALLY HAVE MINUTES FROM THE MEETING.
WE DO OFFICIALLY HAVE MINUTES.
SO WE NEED A MOTION TO PASS THOSE MINUTES.
FIRST UP ON THE AGENDA, WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
OKAY, THEN WE'LL GET TO NEW BUSINESS.
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AND THE FIRST ORDER OF NEW BUSINESS IS THE SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY AND EMERSON.TURNING UPDATES BY OUR CITY ENGINEER.
FRANK. HOW ARE YOU DOING, SIR? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING.
WHAT I HAVE IS A PRESENTATION THAT'S GOING TO GO THROUGH THE SLIDES.
WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT GIVING YOU GUYS AN UPDATE REGARDING SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY.
AND THIS IS REALLY MAINLY JUST TO TALK ABOUT THE INTERSECTION OF EMERSON.
WE HIRE A LOT. YOU KNOW THERE'S THE PLANS RIGHT THERE.
WE ACTUALLY NOW HAVE RECEIVED 100% PLANS.
AND SO I'LL BE GOING OVER THAT.
BUT IF YOU TURN THE NEXT SLIDE.
UH, BASICALLY, I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THE REASON WHY WE'RE IN THE NEED TO DO IMPROVEMENTS OUT THERE IS SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY AND EMERSON AND THE INTERSECTIONS, BECAUSE WE HAVE ALL THESE DEVELOPMENTS HAPPENING, WHAT WE CALL THE NORTHWEST CORRIDOR.
AND SO I JUST HIGHLIGHTED WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW CURRENTLY ON THE BOOKS AND WITH THE MAPS, YOU HAVE PALM VISTA, WHICH IS THE ONE THAT'S ON THE INTERSECTION CORNER OF PACE, WHICH IS ALREADY BUILT OUT.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE SAINT JOHNS PRESERVE WHICH IS ALREADY BUILT OUT.
WE JUST DOWN BELOW JUST SOUTH OF THE C ONE CANAL.
BELOW THAT THERE'S A PUBLIX COMMERCIAL COMPLEX COMING IN.
IT'S JUST IT'S MORE THAN JUST A PUBLIX.
THERE'S A PUBLIX PLUS ABOUT 10,000FT² OF RETAIL PLUS THREE OUTPARCELS.
ONE OF THE OUTPARCELS IS GOING TO BE A FUTURE GAS STATION, AND THE OTHER ONE IS GOING TO BE MEDICAL.
SO THAT'S ALL BEEN MOVING FORWARD.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER LARGE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S COMING IN THAT'S ALSO BEEN APPROVED.
AND SO THOSE ARE TWO AGAIN, COMMERCIAL.
SOME HAVE COMMERCIAL THREE FOURTHS HAS SOME COMMERCIAL.
THAT'S THE ONE THAT HAS THE THE RV PARK AND AND THE STORAGE STELLA CASITA IS A NEW STYLE SMALLER UNIT TYPE OF HOME. KIND OF LIKE ALMOST KIND OF LIKE A CONDO STYLE HOME.
BUT THEY'RE STILL GOING TO BE HOMES, BUT THEY'RE SMALLER SCALE.
AND THEY'RE SLIGHTLY TO THE EAST BETWEEN C TEN AND C NINE.
SO JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A HISTORY.
THOSE ARE ALL THE DEVELOPMENTS HAPPENING.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON.
AND SO THERE'S A NEED TO BE LOOKING AT WIDENING NEAR FUTURE SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY.
AND THESE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS OF EMERSON.
AND AS WELL AS PACE AS WELL AS MALABAR ROAD.
THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS YOU KIND OF LIKE THE AVALON'S DEVELOPMENT WHICH IS SHOWN IN THE FAR CORNER, WHICH IS YOU START TO SEE, BUT IT SHOWS YOU WHERE IT IS COMPARED TO THE OVERALL AERIAL MAP. AND THEN THE THE COLOR MAP NEXT TO IT IS THE PHASE THAT HAS NOT YET BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE CITY, BUT WE'VE SEEN EARLY PRESENTATIONS.
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SO THAT'S A VERY LARGE PUD THAT HAS HAD SOME EARLIER PRESENTATIONS.BUT IT HAS NOT COME IN FRONT OF COUNCIL OR THE PNC YET.
BUT WE ALL KNOW IT'S COMING BECAUSE THERE'S A CONCEPT PLAN THAT LOOKS LIKE.
SO I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT ALL THE DEVELOPMENTS.
AND WHERE DOES THAT LEAD US RIGHT NOW? IT LEADS US TO WHERE WE ARE WITH THE INTERSECTION.
IS THAT OVER 55 COMMUNITIES OR IT KEEPS CHANGING? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LENNAR PACKAGE, IT KEEPS CHANGING.
IT HAS NOT BEEN RESUBMITTED UNTIL WE GET TO SEE THE RESUBMITTED APPLICATION.
AND, YOU KNOW, OUR COUNCIL ARE GOING TO WANT TO ENCOURAGE THAT.
SO THERE'S GOING TO BE THAT COMMERCIAL COMPONENT, BECAUSE WHEN IT CAME IN THE FIRST TIME, THEY WERE SHY ON THE COMMERCIAL BECAUSE SOME OF THE LAND THAT THEY HAD DESIGNATED FOR COMMERCIAL WAS CONSIDERED TO BE ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE.
AND SO THE REQUEST WAS TO NOT PUT IN THEIR REQUIREMENT FOR COMMERCIAL.
AND COUNCIL DID NOT WANT TO HEAR THAT.
THEY WANTED TO SEE THE FULL PERCENTAGE OF COMMERCIAL FOR THAT SIZE OF DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO WHERE IS THIS LOCATED? THIS IS BASICALLY THE ENTIRE WEST SIDE OF THE SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARK.
WHEN YOU CROSS OVER THE C-1 CANAL, JUST WHERE ALL THE DEVELOPMENT IS, AND THEN YOU SEE PALM VISTA HOMES THAT JUST GOT BUILT, THEN FROM THAT POINT ALL THE WAY UP TILL YOU GET TO THE NEXT BRIDGE, WHICH IS THE COUNTY BRIDGE, RIGHT? THE ENTIRE WEST SIDE, OKAY.
THAT'S THAT DEVELOPMENT. IT'S HUGE.
THIS EXCEEDS ALL THOSE OTHER ONES, THE BUILDING.
SO EVERYBODY KNOWS IT'S CABBAGE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? JUST MOVING ON. SO HERE WE ARE, THE INTERSECTION OF SAINT JOHNS AND EMERSON.
IT MET THE WARRANTS BASED ON THESE TRAFFIC STUDIES.
WE HAVE A CONSULTANT DOING THE DESIGN IMPROVEMENTS.
IT WILL HAVE A LEFT TURN LANE, A SOUTHBOUND LEFT TURN LANE AT THE INTERSECTION.
THE ORIGINAL ONES IN OCTOBER I HAD 60% PLANS.
I HAVE NOW 100% PLANS, IS BEING ROUTED INTERNALLY FOR REVIEW AND MAKING SURE WE HAVE.
AND THIS AND THIS SIGNAL WILL BE THE FUTURE SIGNAL.
SO IT'S GOING TO HAVE POLES AND MAST ARMS. WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS IT'S GOING TO BE AS WE WIDEN THE ROAD, THE ADDITIONAL POLE WILL HAVE TO BE SHIFTED BACK, BUT KEEP THE SAME POLES IN THE MASS TRYING TO MAKE IT SO I CAN ADJUST IT AND STILL KEEP THE SAME POLES AND MASS TIMES THAT ARE OUT THERE TODAY.
WHEN WE INSTALL THIS TO AS WE WIDEN THE ROAD, JUST MOVE THEM BACK.
SO WE HAVE THOSE DESIGNED THAT WAY.
AND THAT WAS THE CONSULTANTS RESPONSIBILITY TO DO.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE THEY MET THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES.
AGAIN, THIS IS JUST THE INTERIM UNTIL WE GET THE FOUR LANE.
BUT IT WILL HAVE THE POLES AND MAST ON IT.
SO I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT.
SO WE GOT $1.5 MILLION TO WIDEN SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY FOR THE DESIGN PHASE.
AND SO WE NEED TO COME UP WITH THE OTHER 1.8, WHICH WILL PROBABLY BE TIFF FUNDS TO MAKE IT.
AND THIS IS ONLY THE DESIGN PHASE.
BUT WE FEEL THIS IS A PROJECT THAT SINCE WE GOT STATE ALLOCATION.
AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, AND THE TPO NOTED THIS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE VERY FIRST ROAD PROJECT, A TRANSPORTATION PROJECT THAT STATE ALLOCATION WAS, WAS ISSUED OUT FOR USUALLY STATE ALLOCATIONS FOR LIKE LET'S SAY FOR OTHER LIKE LAGOONS.
RARELY DO YOU SEE A ROAD PROJECT.
IT'S NOT FEDERAL DOLLARS, IT'S THE GOVERNOR ALLOCATED IT.
AND SO THIS IS FOR THE DESIGN AND THE THE PLAN IS TO WIDEN THE ENTIRE SAINT JOHNS ROAD OR WHAT PORTION OF IT TO ONLY THE CITY LIMITS. OKAY.
WE HAD EARLY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COUNTY DIDN'T WORK OUT.
IT DOES. YOU KNOW, IT DOES GO.
BUT IT'S STILL SOMETHING WE'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE COUNTY DIDN'T WANT TO WORK WITH US.
AND NOW IT'S NOT JUST THE COUNTY TO.
I REACHED OUT TO WEST MELBOURNE AGAIN.
THEY'RE ALL INTERESTED, BUT NOT IN OUR MOOD WHERE WE WE'RE IN A WE NEED TO GET THIS DONE.
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LIKE NOW WE NEED TO DESIGN DONE.WE NEED TO GET THE ROADWAY IN CONSTRUCTION.
BECAUSE LIKE I SAY, THE DESIGN IS GOING TO TAKE TWO YEARS, YOU KNOW.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, JUST EVEN CONSTRUCTION IS GOING TO START.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, 26 MAYBE.
SO CONSTRUCTION COMPLETED? MAYBE EVEN LATER THAN THAT, YOU KNOW, 28 MAYBE.
SO LET'S SAY IT TAKES TIME FOR THESE THINGS.
I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE. IT MAY GO FASTER THAN A QUESTION.
THE CURB CUT FOR NORFOLK PARKWAY.
IS THAT GOING TO BE ON OUR SIDE OF THE COW BRIDGE OR ON THE COUNTY SIDE OF THE COW BRIDGE? AND IF IT'S ON OUR SIDE, CAN WE GET ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDING FROM THE CITY OF WEST MELBOURNE TO TIE THEM INTO THE PARKWAY? AGAIN, I'M NOT REALLY SURE THE QUESTION YOU'RE ASKING.
NORFOLK PARKWAY IS GOING TO BE EXTENDED FOR A CURB CUT OUT AT THE HERITAGE PARKWAY.
WHERE THE. WEST ALBEMARLE AS AT PALM BAY ROAD AND MINTON.
IT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL DESIGN FOR THE PARKWAY AND THEY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AND I BELIEVE THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT FOR THE PRESENTATION.
SOME PICTURES. NOW THIS SHOWS YOU WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FROM A STRIPING STANDPOINT.
SO IT WILL HAVE A SOUTHBOUND LEFT TURN LANE WHICH IS REALLY NEEDED.
THIS IS THE SIGNAL PLAN THAT WAS BEEN DESIGNED ALREADY.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS HAS THE POLES, THE MAST ARMS. SO IT'S ALL SET TO BE AND YOU KICK BACK WIDER.
SO THAT IS THE ULTIMATE DESIGN FOR THE SIGNAL INSTALLATION.
AND THEN WE'LL BE OUT WITH ANY QUESTIONS.
YES SIR. THE SOUTHBOUND RIGHT LANE.
WILL THAT BE A CONSTANT GREEN OR GO OR WHATEVER, OR WILL THAT BE THE WAY I'M GOING TO TIME IT IS.
SO WHEN EMERSON HAS A CAR PRESENT, IT WILL KICK IT AND GIVE IT A CALL.
THAT'S WHAT THEY. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S ON RECALL.
RIGHT. BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE RIGHT LANE AS YOU'RE HEADED SOUTH, WILL IT CONTINUE.
CAN IT CONTINUE FORWARD IN THE TRAFFIC TURNING LEFT, HAVE THEIR OWN LANE AND MERGE OVER INTO THE RIGHT LANE SO THAT TRAFFIC CAN CONTINUE TO FLOW AND NOT BE STOPPED AT EMERSON? NO. WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS WE'RE NOT ADDING THAT TYPE OF CONFIGURATION.
SO THE LEFT TURN WILL HAVE TO MERGE IN.
IT'S NOT LIKE WHAT YOU SEE ON US, ONE WHERE YOU HAVE A BYPASS LANE WHERE THE RIGHT RIGHT WITH A SINGLE LANE BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY TWO LANES OUT THERE, TWO LANES OPPOSING DIRECTIONS. UNTIL I GET THE FOURTH LANE OUT THERE, YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
SO WE'RE NOT EXPANDING ANY PART OF EMERSON IN THAT AREA TO JUST ANSWER THAT QUESTION AGAIN IN THE IN THE FUTURE, WHEN WE WIDEN EMERSON, THAT LARGE PROJECT, THAT'S NOT WAIT UNTIL YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THIS COMING YEAR, OKAY.
AND SO WITH THAT PROJECT COMING FORWARD EMERSON IS GOING TO BE A FOUR WAY INTERSECTION OKAY.
WITH A MAJOR ROAD. IT'S GOING TO BE A FOUR WAY.
FOUR LEGGED DIFFERENT THAN PACE.
PACE WILL ALWAYS BE A THREE LEGGED INTERSECTION.
OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? COMPLETELY FORGOT. I WAS LIKE, OH, IT'S ON ME.
SO NEXT UP IS THE FRED POPPY NEW ENTRANCE AND ROAD UPDATES BY OUR CITY ENGINEER.
YEAH, AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME AREA AGAIN.
THIS IS DISCUSSIONS WE HAD REGARDING WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE POPPY REGIONAL PARK.
AT ONE TIME WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS LARGE RV RECREATIONAL FACILITIES.
IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED AT MANY TIMES THROUGH COUNCIL JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A HEADS UP.
THEY WERE GIVEN, I BELIEVE IT WAS SOME SORT OF A COUNTY OR STATE RECREATIONAL FUNDS.
IT WASN'T A LARGE CHUNK OF MONEY, BUT THEY WERE GIVEN.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT WAS IN THE MILLIONS, BUT BECAUSE THE COST TO DO THE WORK WAS WAY MORE THAN WHAT THEY'RE HOPED TO HAVE IN TERMS OF POTENTIALLY BRINGING IN ADDITIONAL REVENUE AND OTHER AMENITIES.
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DEFICIENT, BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY ONE RIGHT NOW FOR MALABAR ROAD, AND THE ONE OFF OF MALABAR ROAD IS NOT THE GREATEST.AND IN THAT PROCESS, IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED TO INSTALL A BRIDGE TO CROSS OVER THE C7 CANAL.
SO THAT'S WHERE THIS THING CAME FROM.
BUT THE BUT TO PUT THE MONEY IN TERMS OF THE BRIDGE AND ANY KIND OF REGIONAL CONNECTION.
SO THERE IS A CONNECTION INTO THE REGIONAL PARK.
SO THERE'LL BE A BRAND NEW CONNECTION OFF OF SAINT JOHNS, SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY.
SO THAT'S WHY THIS PROJECT MOVED FORWARD.
AND THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW HIRING A CONSULTANT.
JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THOSE BRIDGE PRICES WERE WERE WERE UP THERE.
I RECALL IT WAS LIKE A THE A SPAN WAS 4 MILLION.
THE PREFAB BRIDGE WAS 3 MILLION.
SO THAT BRIDGE IS GETTING TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE IN, IN PRICE.
BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW FROM.
THEY HIRED A CONSULTANT IS BEING MANAGED THROUGH PARKS AND RECREATION.
BUT SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS NEW ENGINE THAT WILL BE KIND OF MAKING IT A FOUR WAY WHERE THE SAINT JOHN'S PRESERVE IS RIGHT NOW, WHERE THEIR ENTRANCE IS, IS A THREE LEGGED INTERSECTION. THEY INSTALLED A LEFT TURN LANE AND A RIGHT TURN LANE.
THIS WILL MIRROR UP WITH THAT INTERSECTION.
SO THAT WILL BECOME A FOUR LEGGED INTERSECTION.
SO THE FOURTH LEG WOULD BE THE ENTRANCE INTO THE REGIONAL PARK.
SO AGAIN THE CONSULTANT IS DOING THE ANALYSIS.
IT WILL GO TO COUNCIL BECAUSE BECAUSE OF THE COST AMOUNT.
SO THAT WILL GO BACK TO COUNCIL.
AND YOU'VE SEEN THAT GUARDRAIL.
IT'S ALWAYS GOT BARRICADES, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN HIT.
AND THE WORST CONDITION RIGHT NOW IS THAT ROAD CHAMPIONSHIP, THE ROAD ITSELF, IT WAS NEVER ACCEPTED.
WE ACCEPTED THE PARK, BUT THAT LITTLE SLIVER OF A LOT KIND OF GOT FILLED THROUGH THE CRACKS.
SO WE STILL HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT SLIVER OF IT DID IT WENT TO COUNCIL.
RIGHT NOW IT'S WAITING FOR THE COUNTY NOW TO, YOU KNOW, TO ISSUE THE RELEASE OF THE ROADWAY.
BUT WE'VE ALREADY WENT THROUGH OUR CITY COUNCIL TO ACCEPT THAT AS, AS OUR ROAD.
SO THAT'S IN THE PROCESS. BUT I'LL SHOW YOU ON A SLIDE HERE.
THIS IS THE LARGE RV PARK THAT THEY WANTED TO DO.
AIN'T GOING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE'S SOME COST CONSTRAINTS.
AND SO IT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, IT'LL STILL CONNECT, BUT IT WON'T CONNECT TO THAT MASSIVE RV PARK.
THIS IS THE SAINT JOHNS PRESERVE ENTRANCE RIGHT NOW.
AS IT SITS, THERE'S A LEFT TURN LANE, A RIGHT TURN LANE.
AND THIS IS A PLAN THAT OUR, OUR ENGINEER HECTOR DID WITH OUR STAFF.
IT'LL LOOK DIFFERENT THAN THIS BECAUSE THINGS HAVE CHANGED.
THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS A BRIDGE ON AS THE FOURTH LEG OF THAT INTERSECTION.
THE EASIEST WAY IS TO JUST KICK THE ROAD OVER AWAY FROM THE C10 CANAL.
SO THAT WAY YOU HAVE A NICE TURN RADIUS.
I'VE HAD MANY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COUNTY AND AND THEY'RE OKAY WITH THIS.
I'VE ACTUALLY TALKED TO THE COUNTY STAFF AND I SENT THIS TO THEM AND THEY SAID, AS LONG AS IT'S OKAY WITH THE FUTURE, WHICH IS THREE FOURTHS, IT'S COMING ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE, MAKE IT THE FOURTH LEG.
SO I'M MATCHING UP WITH THE FUTURE THREE FOURTHS DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO THE SHIFTING OF THE ROAD, THE COUNTY HAS NO PROBLEM WITH US DOING THAT.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER PROJECT THAT'S OUT THERE TOO, THAT, YOU KNOW, AS WE MOVE FORWARD, YOU KNOW, IT'S STILL GOING TO NEED TO BE A GOOD ENTRANCE, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE AN ENTRANCE THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT, YOU KNOW, GUARDRAIL GETTING HIT EVERY TIME.
SO THIS IS OUR THIS IS OUR SOLUTION TO IT.
SO I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT.
SO WHEN WE'RE WORKING ON THE ONE END IN-HOUSE STAFF WORKED ON THIS END.
WHEN IS THE PROJECTED TIME FOR THE BRIDGE TO BE DONE? THE TIME FRAME IS LIKE SAYING IT'S GOING TO GO.
THEY HAVE RECEIVED THE THE QUOTE FOR THE DESIGN SERVICES.
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I BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO PROBABLY GO TO COUNCIL IN JANUARY.IF IT GETS ACCEPTED AND THE COUNCIL APPROVES THAT, THEN THE CONTRACT COULD GET STARTED.
I THINK IT'S A YEAR PLUS FOR THE DESIGN PHASE.
LET'S SAY YOU GO OUT IN 2025 WITH CONSTRUCTION FOR THE BRIDGE.
YOU COULD HAVE IT BUILT A BRIDGE LIKE THIS.
OKAY. IT'S MAINLY BECAUSE, AGAIN, MATERIAL WISE, MY ISSUE IS GETTING STEEL AND CONCRETE.
IT'S HARD TO GET RIGHT NOW AND IT'S STILL A BIT HARD TO GET.
SO THOSE ARE THE TWO HIGH COSTS YOU I'M SAYING THESE ARE NOT STANDARD.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GOING WITH. THE BRIDGE BOX GIRDERS.
THEY'RE MANUFACTURED. THEY DON'T KEEP LIKE LIKE A TYPE C INLET BOX.
AND SO IT WILL TAKE TIME TO, TO JUST TO MANUFACTURE THE PIECES.
OUT OF THE HOW IT WAS TYING INTO THE RV PARK.
IS IT JUST GOING TO GO OFF? IS IT CHAMPION CIRCLE? IS IT GOING TO GO CONNECT DIRECTLY TO THAT? OR THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE THAT THAT LOCATION WILL BE SIGNALIZED TO AS THAT DEVELOPMENT COMES IN.
AGAIN, IT WASN'T CLEAR IN THE PRELIMINARY AND THEN FINAL THEY HAVE SET ASIDE SAYING COMMERCIAL, RETAIL, COMMERCIAL, YOU KNOW, FOR THE RV PARK, THEY HAD STORAGE AND THEN THEY HAD A WHOLE BUNCH OF MULTIFAMILIES IN THE REAR.
SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS ENTRANCE AND HAVING MORE ACTIVITY AT THE PARK, AND THAT'S WHAT THIS WHOLE ISSUE OF HAVING A BRIDGE, HAVING BETTER ACCESS. SO MAYBE THEY HAVE A LOT MORE BASEBALL, A LOT MORE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, OTHER EVENTS THERE WE ARE JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR TRAFFIC OPERATIONS IS GOING TO PUT OUT A COUNTER NEXT WEEK BECAUSE WE WANT TO COUNT WHAT THE HIGHEST VOLUMES ARE DURING DECEMBER BECAUSE WE HAVE ALL THOSE EVENTS, THE THE WHAT IS IT, THE EXTRAVAGANZA WHICH IS THE LARGEST EVENT.
SO IS TRAFFIC ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS.
SO THEY CANCELED THE THE CHRISTMAS LIGHT SHOW.
BUT I SAW FROM JULIET TODAY THAT THEY ARE STILL HAVING THE EXTRAVAGANZA WHICH IS ON A SATURDAY.
AND SO THAT'S THE DATE THEY REALLY WANT TO COUNT.
THEY SAID THEY HAVE MORE PEOPLE.
YEAH, THAT'S THE MORE THEY SAID THAT'S THE BIGGEST EVENT THEY HAVE AT THAT PARK.
I DON'T KNOW, I'VE BEEN THERE.
BUT IT'S CALLED THE EXTRAVAGANZA OKAY.
I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON THIS.
THIS IS GOING TO BE A COST SHARE OF IMPACT FEES BETWEEN PARKS AND PUBLIC WORKS.
THAT IS CORRECT. INFRASTRUCTURE.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT SPLIT WILL BE WILL BE LIKE? INFRASTRUCTURE IS THE INTERSECTION AND PARKS IS THE BRIDGE THE TERM AND THIS WHOLE PROCESS.
SO THIS IS THE ENTRANCE TO THE REGIONAL PARK.
YOU CAN USE PARK FEES AS WELL AS THE ROAD FEES BECAUSE YOU KNOW, SO IT'S IT'S BECAUSE WE'RE ADDING, LET'S SAY BIKE LANES AND, YOU KNOW, ACCESS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOING TO BE USED FOR THE PARK. SHE FEELS COMFORTABLE THAT YOU CAN USE THAT.
THAT CANAL, THE C7, IS NOT A SAINT JOHN'S.
IT'S A MELVIN TILLMAN WATER QUALITY MANAGEMENT DISTRICT OR OKAY WATER CONTROL DISTRICT.
WATER CONTROL DISTRICT. SORRY.
AND THEY HAVE WHAT THEY CALL WHAT IS THAT THING CALLED.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? AND IT'S GOT A LARGE IT'S GOT A LARGE CLEARANCE.
AND THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD CLEAR UNDER THAT BRIDGE.
AND SO BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S TO A POINT WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, RAISE THE BRIDGE.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? I WAS JUST ENOUGH CLEARANCE FROM YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK THERE, THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RIGHT NOW WHERE THE WATER ELEVATION IS AT RIGHT NOW TO LET'S SAY IF YOU JUST DREW A LINE ACROSS, THERE'S A GOOD, YOU KNOW, 20FT ON THE SUMI.
OH, SURE. YEAH. YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE ALIGNMENT OF THE CURRENT ENTRANCE.
WHEN THEY DO THAT ALIGNMENT, WILL THEY MOVE THE SIGN BACK OFF OF MALABAR ROAD ALSO? NOPE, I MISSED THE SIGN.
EXCUSE ME. DID I MISS THE SIGN? THE ELECTRONIC SIGN THAT'S OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.
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OKAY. I'D RATHER BE MOVED BACK.SO THERE'S NO POWER AND EVERYTHING FOR US.
WHAT I'M SAYING THAT SHIFT IS ONE LANE SHIFT OVER TO TRY TO MISS EVERYTHING.
AND IT GIVES US A GOOD TURNING RADIUS AND LINES.
THEY HAD THE SAME CONCERNS AS WELL.
SO THE FARTHER THEY CAN GET IT AWAY FROM THAT CANAL, THE BETTER FOR EVERYBODY.
AND THEN THE COUNTY SUPPORTS IT TOO, AS I MENTIONED.
GENTLEMEN, ARE WE OKAY? ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE? NO. FRANK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE THIRD ORDER OF BUSINESS.
THE TREE REMOVAL ALONG FOREST KNOLL DRIVE BY OUR AMAZING CITY MANAGER.
YEAH. LET ME HIGHLIGHT AGAIN IF YOU.
THIS IS TIED TO WHAT WE CALL COUNTRY CLUB 110 ROAD PAVING.
AND THIS IS GOING TO BE HOPEFULLY RELEASED OUT IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
AND SO AND COUNTRY CLUB IS ONE OF THE LARGER THE LARGEST ONE WE HAVE LEFT NOW FOR ROAD PAVING.
IT'S GOT A MIXTURE OF FDR AND PAVE OVERLAYS.
WE HAVE ONE AREA WHICH IS WHAT WE CALL.
FOR SNOW. AND THE PROBLEM WE HAVE WITH FOREST SNOW IS THE INTEREST FOR SNOW.
THERE'S THERE'S THE INTEREST THAT AT TREE RIDGE.
OMMADAWN. YOU COME OFF A DARN, YOU GO.
YOU TURN OFF TO TO FOREST KNOLL AND THEN THAT HAS A LINE.
OF PINE TREES IN THE MEDIAN ISLAND.
AND I'LL SHOW YOU PICTURES OF THAT.
AND THEN. THEN YOU HAVE TO TURN IT AGAIN.
AND THEN THAT STREET IS WHAT THEY CALL TREE.
RIDGE. AND THAT TREE RIDGE HAS ALSO MEDIAN ISLAND.
TREES. AND, AND THE PROBLEM WITH THE THE SECOND ONE TREE RIDGE WAS WHEN THERE'S.
A DEVELOPMENT OCCURRING RIGHT NOW THERE'S AN APARTMENT COMPLEX BEING BUILT AND FOR.
THAT APARTMENT COMPLEX TO HAVE SUFFICIENT ROOM TO PUT IN THE SIDEWALK.
AND SO WE SAID TO MAKE THINGS BETTER FOR EVERYBODY.
SINCE YOU DON'T HAVE THE ROOM WHEN WE DO THE ROAD WIDENING AND WE DO THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, WE COULD THEN PUT THE ROAD BACK AS A STANDARD TWO LANE ROAD, TAKE OUT THE MEDIAN ISLAND, TAKE OUT THE PALM TREES AND YOU HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO PROVIDE THAT SIDEWALK FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT.
THEY LIKE THAT. SO I SAID, OKAY, WE'LL DO THAT.
AND THE DEVELOPER AGREED TO IT.
SO WE SAID, WELL, THEN SOON AFTER THAT, AS WE HAD DISCUSSION WITH OUR OPERATIONS STAFF FOR SNOW HAS NOW BECOME AN ISSUE BECAUSE IT HAS ABOUT 18 SO MANY PINE TREES.
AND THAT'S CAUSING A ROUTING PROBLEMS AND IT'S CAUSING PROBLEMS WITH THE PAVEMENT.
AND THE WORST THING RIGHT NOW IS THAT BOTH THESE STREETS, BECAUSE THE, THE, THE THE WIDTH OF THE MEDIAN ISLAND AND IT'S LIKE SEVEN FEET, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING.
AND IT'S FLUSH SO THERE'S NO CURBS OKAY.
SO WHEN YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, ROADWAY FLUSH GRASS TREE LESS THAN FOUR FEET, THAT'S SORRY.
IT NEEDS TO BE LESS THAN I THINK SIX FEET.
WHICH, WHICH THIS MEDIAN IS ONLY SEVEN FEET.
SO RIGHT OFF THE BAT IT'S UNSAFE.
HATES IT. THIS NEW STANDARD GREEN BOOK THEY CALL IT CLEAR ZONE.
SO WE HAVE THESE STANDARDS NOW.
SO THE STANDARD SAYS YOU GOT TO HAVE A CLEAR ZONE.
YOU GOT TO MEET THAT CLEAR ZONE.
SO THOSE TREES GOT TO COME OUT.
SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE HAVE NOW THIS PRESENTATION TO GIVE TO YOU, TO THE PUBLIC THAT SAYS WE WANT TO TAKE THESE TREES OUT FOR PUBLIC SAFETY AND SAY WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, AGAINST THE TREES, BUT FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.
THEY SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN INSTALLED BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MEET THE CLEAR ZONE.
BUT NOW OUR PUBLIC WORKS WANTS TO JUST DO IT ALL.
AND I'LL SHOW YOU SOME PHOTOGRAPHS, WHAT THIS THING LOOK LIKE SO YOU CAN HAVE A BETTER VIEW.
SO, SO AGAIN, SO AS YOU'RE, AS YOU'RE COMING INTO FOREST NOTES, YOU CAN START SEEING THE PINE TREES.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE SMALL THIN MEDIAN ISLAND.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING AT NIGHT AND DO SOME DAMAGE.
AND SO AS YOU'RE COMING AROUND THE CORNER AGAIN, YOU SEE, I'M SAYING IT'S ALL FLUSH, YOU KNOW.
NO, NO CURBING ON EITHER THE SHOULDER SIDE OR THE MEDIAN ISLAND SIDE.
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SO RIGHT THERE IT LOOKS LIKE MAYBE LIKE THREE FEET.SO YOU'RE WELL SHORT OF YOUR CLEAR ZONE.
SO SAFETY WISE YOU NEED TO COME OUT OR YOU NEED TO PUT SOME SORT OF A CURVE.
SO THE COST OF THE CURB WOULD EXCEED THE COST OF THE TREES TREE IS GONE.
AND SO THIS IS AT THE END AS YOU TURN AROUND.
AND THIS WILL TURN INTO TREE RIDGE.
JUST WANT TO SHOW YOU WHAT THE TAIL END OF IT LOOKS LIKE.
AND SO THIS IS THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT I WAS TALKING ABOUT ON THREE RIDGE.
AND SO AND THEN THEY'LL PUT IN THE SIDEWALK.
JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU THAT PROJECT.
AND THOSE ARE THE THREE TREES.
SO THREE PALM TREES ON TREE RIDGE, AS YOU SEE ONE OF THEM IS ONE OF THEM'S ALREADY DEAD.
YEAH. SO AND AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE AND THIS IS EVEN SMALLER IN WIDTH.
SO FOR SAFETY WISE TREES GOT TO COME OUT.
SO THAT'S IT. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, FRANK? HAS THERE BEEN ANY? ACCIDENTS THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT'S ALREADY CURRENTLY TAKING PLACE BECAUSE OF WHERE THE BECAUSE YOU SAID IF SOMEBODY BUT HAVE WE ACTUALLY SEEN THAT TAKE PLACE ALREADY.
NO WE DID A QUICK WE HAVE WHAT THEY CALL SIGNAL FOR WHICH SHOWS US A CRASH DATA.
WE DON'T SEE ANY. BUT A LOT OF TIMES THAT'S JUST REPORTING, OKAY.
I'VE BEEN OUT THERE NUMEROUS TIMES.
THERE'S BEEN BUSTED GLASS AROUND THOSE TREES LIKE SOMEONE HIT IT.
BUT BASED ON THE REPORTED ACCIDENTS, I DON'T HAVE ANY WHAT THEY CALL THIS DATABASE THAT WE USE WHICH WHICH IS THE RPDS IN IT, DOTS IN IT. SO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IS IN IT.
SO THERE'S ANY INCIDENTS, REPORTED INCIDENTS IT WOULD SHOW UP.
SO SOMEONE HIT IT, BUT IT WASN'T REPORTED.
AND THEN. IS THERE SOME TYPE? I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY PUSHBACK FROM INDIVIDUALS FROM THAT COMMUNITY TO SAY THEY DON'T WANT THE TREES GONE OR IT'S HARD.
THAT'S WHY WE CAME HERE IN FRONT OF YOU AS A PUBLIC MEETING.
I THINK IT'S ALWAYS WISE TO WHEN YOU DO SOMETHING SENSITIVE LIKE TREE REMOVAL, YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, AND WE'RE GIVING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO CHIME IN IF THEY WANT TO.
AND SO IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY LATER ON, SAY, IF SOMEONE REALLY WANTS A TREE AND CARES ABOUT THAT TREE AND HAS SOME ISSUES WITH IT, YOU KNOW, MAY WANT TO COME BACK TO US OR TO THE CITY COUNCIL SAYING WE THE PROJECT HAS BEEN BIDDED OUT, YET PUBLIC WORKS IS NOT GOING OUT THERE WITH THE DOZERS TOMORROW.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? WE'RE AT LEAST GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW AND MAKING SURE WE GIVE EVERYBODY AN OPPORTUNITY TO KNOW THAT WE NEED TO REMOVE THOSE TREES FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.
AND THE MOMENT WE FOUND OUT I WAS MADE AWARE OF IT, WE GOT TO TAKE ACTION ON IT.
YEAH. IS THAT THE SIDEWALK THAT WILL KEEP OR IT'LL ALL BE SQUISHED IN WITH THAT EXTRA LAND.
I COULD PROVIDE FOR MORE THAN ENOUGH FOR SIDEWALK.
THEY LIKE THAT. COUNCIL LIKE THAT IDEA, TOO, WHEN WE WERE BRINGING IT UP IN THE REVIEW PROCESS, AND WE ALL AGREED, THAT'S THE PROCESS WE'LL GO THROUGH AS AS WE GO THROUGH THE ROAD PROGRAM WILL TO SHRINK THAT ROADWAY DOWN TO A STANDARD TWO LANE ROAD, TAKE OUT THAT MEDIAN ISLAND BECAUSE IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE ANYWAY.
TAKE OUT THOSE PALM TREES AND WE'LL ALL BE HAPPY WITH THAT EXTRA EIGHT FEET.
IS THERE ANY WILL THE APARTMENT COMPLEX OR THE DEVELOPMENT? WILL THEY BE PLANTING TREES IN THAT AREA? IS THERE ANY WAY TO LIKE BRING IN MORE TREES AS REQUIRED UNDER THERE? I'M SAYING FENCING AND LANDSCAPING AS PART OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS APPROVED WITH THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS.
I'M SAYING I DON'T I DON'T THINK I DON'T THINK THIS SHOWS THAT THIS IS JUST A GENERAL SITE PLAN, BUT THEY HAVE DIFFERENT PLANS THAT SHOWS THEIR LANDSCAPING, THEIR, YOU KNOW, OTHER AMENITIES THEY HAVE TO HAVE FOR THIS PROJECT.
SO ESSENTIALLY ALL THE TREES THAT ARE BEING TAKEN OUT ARE GOING TO BE REPLACED WITH THIS COMPLEX.
BUT THIS SITE RIGHT NOW IT HAS THERE'S A CUL DE SAC THERE.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S EVEN A STREETLIGHT BACK THERE TOO.
ALL THAT'S GOT TO COME OUT AND THEN ALL THIS NEW STUFF WILL GET PUT IN AND IT'LL LOOK NICE.
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SURE. SO A COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS.THIS ONLY AFFECTS THOSE MULTIFAMILY DWELLINGS RIGHT? CORRECT. AND THIS IS ALL DONE ON PUBLIC PROPERTY.
AND WE WON'T BE IMPOSING ON ANYBODY'S PRIVATE PROPERTY.
BUT AGAIN YOU KNOW, IF YOU KNOW THIS AREA, TREE RIDGE IS KIND OF LIKE A BIG CUL DE SAC.
IT DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE. THIS IS THE ONLY WAY.
THE ONLY ENTRANCE TO THIS AREA IS OFF OF DAWN.
SO THIS IS BASICALLY IT'S ONE LARGE CUL DE SAC.
EVEN THOUGH IT'S A CIRCULAR STREET, IT HAS OTHER.
THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO GET IN AND OUT.
BUT THE SAFETY REGULATIONS SAY BEST PRACTICES ARE THESE TREES SHOULD GO.
NO, IT'S SAFE TO SAY YOU SHALL MEET CLEAR ZONE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM UP HERE? ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? YES. CAN YOU STEP UP TO? YES. SHE KNOWS THE ROUTINE.
THANK YOU. THIS IS SUSAN CONNOLLY.
THIS IS A QUESTION IN GENERAL, AND IT MAY GO BACK TO YOUR ORIGINAL, THE FIRST PRESENTATION, MR. WATANABE. AND THAT IS AS THINGS ARE BEING DESIGNED AND CHANGED AND WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING IN NEW.
IS THERE A LOOK AT PERVIOUS, CONCRETE OR PERVIOUS THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE PLANS? AND YEAH, WE'RE FOLLOWING NATALIE'S FOOTSTEPS.
WE'RE TRYING TO DO AS MUCH LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT.
HECTOR AND I, EVERY TIME WE TRY TO LOOK AT SOMETHING, WE ALWAYS TRY TO SEE IS THERE OPPORTUNITIES WHERE WE CAN DO SOME SORT OF LOW DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, IMPROVEMENTS IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, IMPERVIOUS MATERIALS, I'M SAYING, OR WHAT ARE WAYS WE CAN TO PROVIDE THAT LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO IT'S HARD ON THESE NEW DEVELOPMENTS.
OSPREY. YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE COMING UP THE PIPE.
YES, DEFINITELY. WE BE LOOKING AT OPPORTUNITIES, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE MORE WE CAN TRY TO, YOU KNOW, HELP IMPROVE THE WATER QUALITY EARLY ON, MAKE IT SELF-CONTAINED IN THEIR OWN DEVELOPMENT IS BETTER AND THEY LIKE IT AS WELL.
SO HECTOR AND I, WE TRY TO DO OUR BEST TO TRY TO ADD THAT COMPONENT.
YES. BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.
DO YOU HAVE ANY ROUGH IDEA HOW MUCH THAT'S GOING TO INCREASE THE COST FOR THE TREE REMOVAL OF WHAT THAT WAS GOING TO RUN, YOU KNOW, 5000 OR 6000? NO IDEA. I'M NOT SURE.
CHRISTINE. YOU REMEMBER IT WAS A VERY NOMINAL AMOUNT OF MONEY.
LIKE I SAID, WE'RE DOING IT IN HOUSE.
SO IT'S ACTUALLY TO CLARIFY THAT IT'S NOT A PART OF THE BID.
THE TREE REMOVAL WILL BE DONE BY OUR OPERATIONS STAFF IN HOUSE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? FRANK, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATIONS TODAY.
I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE A MOTION OR I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND THE TREE REMOVAL ALONG FOREST DRIVE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PLANS PUT BEFORE US.
THANK YOU. I WAS GONNA ASK FOR THAT.
SO YOU'RE MAKING A MOTION TO REMOVE THE TREES ALONG FOREST KNOLL DRIVE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DOCUMENTATION THAT WAS PUT BEFORE US. OKAY.
SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE AYE AYE. OPPOSED? GOOD PASSES.
DO WE HAVE ANY AGENDA REQUESTS FOR FUTURE MEETINGS? I HAVE ONE MORE THING I WOULD LIKE TO ADD, IF I MAY, MA'AM.
IT IS. WE ARE GOING FOR COUNCIL ON DECEMBER 7TH.
THE BOARD DOES HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REINSTATE.
I'M SORRY. CITY COUNCIL HAS THE ABILITY TO REINSTATE THE BOARD FOR THREE YEAR PERIODS.
SOMETHING THE WHOLE BOARD SUNSET OR THE.
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MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE WHOLE BOARD WILL SUNSET ON DECEMBER 31ST UNLESS REINSTATED BY CITY COUNCIL.AND IT IS GOING BEFORE COUNCIL ON DECEMBER 7TH.
EITHER THE BOARD STAYS OR THE BOARD GOES AWAY.
LET ME READ IT SO THAT SO THAT THERE'S NO MISUNDERSTANDING OKAY.
PURSUANT TO SECTION 52 296 OF THE CODE, THE IOB SHALL SUNSET ON DECEMBER 31ST, 2023 UNLESS REINSTATED BY CITY COUNCIL. COUNCIL CAN REINSTATE THE BOARD FOR THREE YEAR PERIODS.
AN ORDINANCE HAS BEEN DRAFTED AND IS SCHEDULED THE ITEM ON DECEMBER 7TH.
COUNCIL AGENDA WITH A SUNSET DATE OF NOVEMBER 31ST, 2026.
PLEASE ADVISE THE BOARD ACCORDINGLY.
COUNCIL WILL BE MAKING THAT DECISION ON THE SEVENTH.
ANY AGENDA REQUESTS FOR FUTURE MEETINGS? I HAD ONE, BUT PURSUANT TO THE CITY COUNCIL REINSTATING THE BOARD, I WOULD LIKE AS PART OF THE AGENDA EACH MONTH TO INCLUDE THE IMPACT FEE BALANCES FOR EACH ONE OF THE NEXUSES SO THAT WE HAVE SOME IDEA OF THE FUNDING THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR EACH PART OF THE CITY.
I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T TRACK IT.
SO OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT. BUT I DON'T SEE THAT BEING AN ISSUE.
IF YOU JUST WANT TO FIND A TALLY OF EACH OF THE ZIP CODES AND WHAT THE FOR THE TRAFFIC.
RIGHT. OKAY, SO THAT'S NOT THE IT'S POSSIBLE THAT YOU CAN HAVE FOR US.
AND SO SO A LOT OF TIMES THAT THAT BUDGET MONEY HASN'T BEEN SHIFTED YET, BUT IT'S BEEN ALLOCATED.
SO THAT'S I'M I DON'T MIND GIVING YOU THEIR LATEST UPDATE, BUT IT MAY BE I'M SAYING NOT THE MOST UP TO DATE ONE, BUT I HAVE NO PROBLEM IF FINANCE CAN GIVE US A BREAKDOWN, YOU KNOW, PRIOR TO EACH MEETING.
SO WE CAN SHARE WITH YOU GUYS.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. TOM IS WELL AND MAYBE FRANK, I'LL ASK YOU.
WOULD IT? WOULD IT BE, I GUESS, MORE ACCURATE OR EASIER OR BETTER IF WE DID THAT QUARTERLY VERSUS EVERY MEETING? WHAT DO YOU THINK? I'D BE FINE WITH THAT.
NO, ACTUALLY, I THINK IT'S I THINK THE ASK IS GOOD.
AND IF YOU WANT TO MAKE IT QUARTERLY, IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR US.
BUT I DON'T SEE THAT BEING I MEAN, IT'S ALL PUBLIC INFORMATION.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT IT, NOT A PROBLEM.
SO ARE WE. WE'RE DOING QUARTERLY OR MONTHLY? YEAH, I'M FINE WITH QUARTERLY.
IT MAY BE A LOT OF MONEY, BUT SOME OF THAT COULD HAVE BEEN ALLOCATED ALREADY.
SO YOU DON'T WANT TO DOUBLE DIP IT AGAIN.
WE WERE ABLE TO GET FUNDING FROM FDOT AS AN ALLOCATE AS A PARDON ME, WE WERE ABLE TO RECEIVE FUNDING.
SO WE HAD SET ASIDE THE MATCH WITH THE ANTICIPATION OF HOPEFULLY GETTING THIS FUNDING.
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HOLES THAT WE PUT ON THE FUNDS SO THAT WE DON'T LOSE THE OPPORTUNITY.AND AND BECAUSE WHEN WE APPLY FOR THESE GRANTS, WE'RE TELLING THE PERSON GIVING US THE FUNDS, WE HAVE THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY TO PUT WITH IT. SO THAT'S A PART OF THE THE GRANT REQUEST AND THE GRANT PRESENTATION.
SO THAT'S WHY THE FUNDING IS NOT ALWAYS WE'RE NOT ALWAYS ABLE TO GIVE YOU AN EXACT AMOUNT BECAUSE THERE'S MONEY SITTING THERE THAT WE'VE KIND OF GOTTEN HELD FOR A SPECIFIC ITEM.
SURE I APPRECIATE, I APPRECIATE YEAH I KNOW THERE'S SOME LAG TIME BETWEEN WHEN THE MONEY'S SPENT AND WHEN IT'S ALLOCATED SO THAT THERE WILL BE A FUN DIFFERENCE THERE.
MY HONESTLY, MY MAIN CONCERN IS WHEN WE GET INTO THE CO-MINGLING OF THE DIFFERENT IMPACT FEES BETWEEN LIKE PARKS AND ROADS AS IT PERTAINS TO THE BRIDGE FOR THE PARK AND HOW THAT NEXUS IS FIGURED OUT, WHAT PERCENTAGE COMES FROM WHICH NEXUS AND WHICH IMPACT FEE FUND, BECAUSE AT SOME POINT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT CO-MINGLING 3732907 AND 32908 FOR THE PARK.
WHICH I KNOW MR. BENTON HAS ISSUES WITH AS WELL, DO I? BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN THREE, TWO, 908 WHERE THE COMPOUND HAPPENS TO BE.
AND I DO WANT TO JUST POINT OUT, FOR EVERYONE'S INFORMATION THAT OUR ATTORNEYS ARE VERY INVOLVED IN, IN OUR TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES AND OUR IMPACT FEES IN GENERAL.
AND THEY UNDERSTAND AND THEY DON'T LET US.
IF IT IS ONLY BENEFITING 32908, THEY WON'T ALLOW US TO USE IT IN ANOTHER NEXUS.
SO IF WE ARE CO-MINGLING IT'S BECAUSE IT'S BENEFITING BOTH NEXUS.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE IT IN THE NAME OF TRANSPARENCY.
IT SHOULD BE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC AND IT IS OUT IN THE OPEN.
MAYBE YOU CAN ANSWER THIS AS WELL.
GOING FORWARD AND LOOKING AT FUTURE, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? IT'S IN FLUX BECAUSE TO YOUR POINT, WE COULD PUT MONEY ASIDE, BUT THEN IT DOESN'T GET USED.
IT GETS PUT BACK. IS THERE A WAY TO TAKE A LOOK AT PRIOR TO TO GIVE EXAMPLES.
SO LIKE IF WE TOOK A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME.
SO TO YOUR POINT, HEY, IF WE TOOK A LOOK AT IN 2023 AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE DO THE WHOLE YEAR, BUT LET'S JUST CALL IT 2023, WE HAVE A PRESENTATION THAT SAYS THIS IS HOW THE FUNDS WERE ALLOCATED. THIS IS THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHY WE DECIDED TO USE BOTH ZIP CODES VERSUS AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE WE THOUGHT AND NOPE, THEY SAID NO.
AND HERE'S WHY WE COULDN'T DO IT.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, MAYBE MAYBE IN A FUTURE MEETING.
YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM RIGHT NOW IS, YOU KNOW, THE WE HAVE ALL THIS FEDERAL FUNDS THAT ARE BREAKING LOOSE NOW, YOU KNOW, THE US DOT, YOU KNOW, WITH WITH OUR NEW PRESIDENT HAS BEEN SHIFTING MONEY MORE TOWARDS ROADS.
SO WE HAVE ALL THESE NEW PROJECTS COMING OUT.
THAT FUNDING WAS NOT THERE BEFORE.
AND SO A GOOD EXAMPLE WAS ABOUT A YEAR AGO.
OUR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER WOULD HAVE WANTED TO CALL WHAT'S CALLED A RAISE GRANT.
IT USED TO BE CALLED THE TIGER GRANT.
I FORGOT THE NAME OF IT PRIOR TO THAT.
BUT THAT FUNDING SOURCE WAS WAY BACK WHEN, WHEN OBAMA WAS THERE.
BUT THE ORIGINAL FUNDING SOURCE WAS CALLED TIGER GRANTS, AND THEN IT GOT CHANGED TO RAISE GRANT.
WORKED OUT OUR OWN MONEY, BUT EARLY ON WE TRIED TO GO AFTER SOME OF THAT RAISED MONEY.
WE DIDN'T GET IT, BUT IN THAT PROCESS, LIKE CHRISTINE WAS MENTIONING, FOR US TO GO AFTER THAT MONEY, WE HAVE TO THEN ALLOCATE AND SET ASIDE WHATEVER THAT MATCH WAS, WHATEVER THAT WAS REQUIRED. AND SO WHEN YOU WHEN YOU GO AFTER THE GRANTS, IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN JUST, YOU KNOW, SHIFTING THE MONEY INTO A SEPARATE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T UNTIL YOU KNOW FOR SURE YOU DON'T GET THE GRANT. THAT MONEY HAS TO BE THERE.
BECAUSE IF YOU GET THE GRANT, YOU GOT TO YOU GOT TO DEMONSTRATE YOUR CONTRIBUTION.
SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO GO AFTER IT AGAIN AT SOME FUTURE YEARS.
BUT THERE'S ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY WHERE WE PUT ASIDE MONEY AND THEN WE DIDN'T GET THE GRANT.
SO THAT MONEY IS NOW BACK AVAILABLE.
SO THAT MONEY IS BACK IN THE POT.
SO LIKE WHAT CHRISTINE WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW, SO THE POT WAS STILL FULL.
WE TOOK HALF OF IT MAYBE, BUT THE POT WAS STILL FULL.
AND NOW TODAY, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GET THE GRANT, IT'S STILL FULL.
BUT WHO'S TO SAY WE DON'T ALLOCATE ANOTHER PORTION OF IT? AND BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW AS WE ALLOCATE BECAUSE AS SOME SAY.
SO MAYBE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR AS YOU'RE ASKING IT, MAYBE IN THE NEAR FUTURE WE SHOW YOU SOME OF THESE FUTURE GRANTS THAT WE'RE COMING AFTER AND THEN SHOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY FOR GOING IN THE BUDGETS AND THE ALLOCATIONS.
SO YOU KIND OF SEE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THAT'S ALL OUT THERE.
THOSE THESE LARGE THESE LARGE GRANTS, WE KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE COMING FROM REAL SOON.
BUT THEY'RE NOT A LOT OF THEM.
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IT'S CALLED NOTICE OF FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES AND NOFO.THEY CALL IT OKAY. THAT'S WHEN THAT'S WHEN THEY SAY WE'RE ABOUT READY TO RELEASE THIS FUNDING GRANT.
BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BIG CHUNKS OF FEDERAL DOLLARS.
SO MAYBE WE COME UP WITH A LIST BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT VARIOUS FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES.
AND FRANK, I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THAT TO BE ABLE TO SEE LIKE THE FUTURE PROJECTS.
BUT WHAT FOR ME, WHAT I LIKE, WHAT TOM BROUGHT UP IS I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE PROCESS THAT'S ALREADY TAKING PLACE AND HOW THE MONEY WAS ALLOCATED AND LIKE WHY THOSE DECISIONS WERE MADE.
BECAUSE LIKE FOR SOMEONE LIKE ME, IT WILL HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS MORE, ESPECIALLY AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LOOKING AT FUTURE OPPORTUNITIES OF THE FUNDING AND EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE GOING AFTER. BECAUSE AT THIS POINT, UNDERSTANDING.
THE IMPACT FEES AND HOW WE'RE MAKING THOSE DECISIONS.
IF WE HAVE ALL THAT INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN DONE ALREADY.
JUST GIVING THOSE EXAMPLES OF HERE ARE THE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE DONE, AND THIS IS THE IMPACT THAT WE CAN DO THAT WE CAN GIVE YOU LIKE A LITTLE HISTORY OF HOW WE JUST GOT THE RECENT ALLOCATIONS FOR THE FOR THE SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY DESIGN, WHICH IS THE 1.5 THAT WAS GIVEN THAT WAS ALLOCATED FROM THE STATE.
SO WE GIVE IT WE GIVE YOU THE BACKGROUND OF THAT ONE.
I CAN LET YOU KNOW WHAT PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE FUNDED OVER THE PAST, WHATEVER PERIOD OF TIME YOU'RE LOOKING FOR USING TIFF FUNDS, OR AT LEAST PARTIAL TIFF FUNDS, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, I CAN TELL YOU PROJECT A WAS FUNDED.
THIS MUCH BY TIFF, THIS MUCH BY GENERAL FUND, THIS MUCH BY GRANT.
HOWEVER IT BREAKS DOWN IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
HOW FAR BACK DO YOU WANT TO GO? LAST TWO YEARS.
WELL. THE ROAD PROJECT'S BEEN GOING.
WELL, THE PROJECT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH.
NO, SIR. I WOULD SAY PROBABLY TWO YEARS.
THE SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT FEES FOR THE SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY SOUTH, NOT THE SAINT JOHN'S PARKWAY NORTH, ALL THE IMPACT FEES IN THE SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY SOUTH FOR ALL THOSE DIFFERENT ZIP CODES.
I THINK IT'S I DON'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS TEN YEARS OR 15 YEARS.
I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE TIME LIMIT IS.
ALL OF THAT FOR BOTH THE CITY AND THE COUNTY, HAD TO BE DEDICATED BACK INTO THE GRANT APPLICATION THAT WE TOOK OUT FOR THE $9 MILLION GRANT.
SO ALL OF THAT IMPACT FEE, ALL THAT GROWTH THAT YOU SEE THERE, ALL OF THAT IMPACT FEE MONEY COMING IN, THAT WAS THE GUARANTEE FOR THE GRANT FUND FOR THE SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY SOUTH.
WHY CAN'T WE BE USING THAT MONEY? IT WAS DEDICATED FOR THE BOND FOR THE SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY.
IF WE LOOK AT THE LAST TWO YEARS AND THEN ONCE A QUARTER, WE GET JUST KIND OF AN OVERVIEW OF THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEE FUNDS AND WHAT THERE MAYBE SOME UPCOMING DEDICATIONS, WHAT THE MONEY WOULD BE DEDICATED FOR AND A RUNNING FUND BALANCE.
YEAH. OKAY. WE DO NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE.
I'M ASSUMING THAT WE DON'T HAVE A MEETING NEXT MONTH.
WELL, IT HAPPENS TO FALL ON A VERY PARTICULAR DAY, RIGHT.
CHRISTMAS. SO I DON'T I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO.
YEAH. SO I'M GOING TO NEED A MOTION FOR THAT.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CANCEL THE DECEMBER 25TH MEETING OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE ADVISORY BOARD.
SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE.
SO WE ARE CANCELING THE DECEMBER 25TH MEETING.
SO OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE AT POSSIBLY MAYBE OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE JANUARY 22ND.
THIS MIGHT BE IT. HOPEFULLY THE COUNCIL WILL SEE FIT TO CONTINUE ON WITH THIS BOARD, BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THAT WE ARE IMPACTFUL, AND I KNOW THAT WE ALL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK THERE IF WE WANT OR REACH OUT TO YOUR COUNCIL PERSON BEFOREHAND.
SO HOPEFULLY WE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT OPPORTUNITY AND DO SO.
YEAH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. WELL WE'RE GOING TO CALL THIS MEETING AT 756.
EVERYBODY HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. ALL RIGHT.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.