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OKAY. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER AT 701.

[CALL TO ORDER]

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CAN WE PLEASE HAVE A ROLL CALL? REBECCA TIBBOTT.

DAVID JONES.

PRESENT. ANN MARIE FRASER.

PAUL EDWARDS.

PRESENT. THOMAS GOREHAM.

PRESENT. TERRY.

MULLER. LOGAN.

LEWIS. PRESENT. ALL RIGHT.

SO WE HAVE WE HAVE QUORUM.

VERY GOOD. SO THE FIRST THING WE NEED TO DO IS AN ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES FROM 927

[ADOPTION OF MINUTES]

2023. AND IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, WE HAVE TO DO THAT ONE INDIVIDUALLY AND THEN.

RIGHT. OKAY.

SO MOVED. SECOND.

OKAY. DID YOU.

OH. ALL IN.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE AYE AYE.

OPPOSED. ALL RIGHT.

MOTION PASSES. AND THEN.

AN ADOPTION THAT THERE WAS NO MEETING BECAUSE WE DID NOT HAVE QUORUM AT THE LAST MEETING.

THAT WAS 1023 2023.

POINT OF ORDER. THERE'S STILL MINUTES FROM THAT MEETING THAT JUST DICTATES THE ROLL CALL AND THAT THERE WAS NOT A QUORUM.

SO WE DO OFFICIALLY HAVE MINUTES FROM THE MEETING.

OKAY. SO WE MY APOLOGIES.

WE DO OFFICIALLY HAVE MINUTES.

SO WE NEED A MOTION TO PASS THOSE MINUTES.

SO MOVED SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR. AYE.

HI. HI.

OPPOSED. MOTION PASSES.

FIRST UP ON THE AGENDA, WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS.

NOPE. SEEING NONE.

OKAY, THEN WE'LL GET TO NEW BUSINESS.

[BUSINESS]

AND THE FIRST ORDER OF NEW BUSINESS IS THE SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY AND EMERSON.

TURNING UPDATES BY OUR CITY ENGINEER.

FRANK. HOW ARE YOU DOING, SIR? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING.

WHAT I HAVE IS A PRESENTATION THAT'S GOING TO GO THROUGH THE SLIDES.

WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT GIVING YOU GUYS AN UPDATE REGARDING SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY.

AND THIS IS REALLY MAINLY JUST TO TALK ABOUT THE INTERSECTION OF EMERSON.

WE HIRE A LOT. YOU KNOW THERE'S THE PLANS RIGHT THERE.

WE ACTUALLY NOW HAVE RECEIVED 100% PLANS.

AND SO I'LL BE GOING OVER THAT.

BUT IF YOU TURN THE NEXT SLIDE.

OH THANK YOU.

UH, BASICALLY, I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THE REASON WHY WE'RE IN THE NEED TO DO IMPROVEMENTS OUT THERE IS SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY AND EMERSON AND THE INTERSECTIONS, BECAUSE WE HAVE ALL THESE DEVELOPMENTS HAPPENING, WHAT WE CALL THE NORTHWEST CORRIDOR.

AND SO I JUST HIGHLIGHTED WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW CURRENTLY ON THE BOOKS AND WITH THE MAPS, YOU HAVE PALM VISTA, WHICH IS THE ONE THAT'S ON THE INTERSECTION CORNER OF PACE, WHICH IS ALREADY BUILT OUT.

THE HOMES ARE THERE.

AND THAT'S A THAT'S A LENNAR HOMES NEXT ONE IS CALLED THE TIMBERS, WHICH IS THE NEXT PHASE OF LENNAR WHICH IS JUST NORTH OF PACE.

AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE SAINT JOHNS PRESERVE WHICH IS ALREADY BUILT OUT.

WE JUST DOWN BELOW JUST SOUTH OF THE C ONE CANAL.

BELOW THAT THERE'S A PUBLIX COMMERCIAL COMPLEX COMING IN.

IT'S JUST IT'S MORE THAN JUST A PUBLIX.

THERE'S A PUBLIX PLUS ABOUT 10,000FT² OF RETAIL PLUS THREE OUTPARCELS.

ONE OF THE OUTPARCELS IS GOING TO BE A FUTURE GAS STATION, AND THE OTHER ONE IS GOING TO BE MEDICAL.

SO THAT'S ALL BEEN MOVING FORWARD.

IT'S ALL BEEN APPROVED. MALABAR SPRINGS IS A RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY JUST TO THE EAST, TO THE WEST OF THE HIGH SCHOOL.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER LARGE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S COMING IN THAT'S ALSO BEEN APPROVED.

AND THEN THE THREE FORKS AND STELLA CASITA ARE TO THE SOUTH OF MALABAR ROAD, JUST PAST WHERE THE PARKWAY WOULD EXTEND FORWARD.

AND SO THOSE ARE TWO AGAIN, COMMERCIAL.

SOME HAVE COMMERCIAL THREE FOURTHS HAS SOME COMMERCIAL.

THAT'S THE ONE THAT HAS THE THE RV PARK AND AND THE STORAGE STELLA CASITA IS A NEW STYLE SMALLER UNIT TYPE OF HOME. KIND OF LIKE ALMOST KIND OF LIKE A CONDO STYLE HOME.

BUT THEY'RE STILL GOING TO BE HOMES, BUT THEY'RE SMALLER SCALE.

AND SO THAT'S ANOTHER ONE. AND THEN THE LAST IS THE CHAPARRAL AND BRENTWOOD THAT'S ALREADY BEING DEVELOPED THERE IN PHASES.

AND THEY'RE SLIGHTLY TO THE EAST BETWEEN C TEN AND C NINE.

SO JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A HISTORY.

THOSE ARE ALL THE DEVELOPMENTS HAPPENING.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON.

AND SO THERE'S A NEED TO BE LOOKING AT WIDENING NEAR FUTURE SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY.

AND THESE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS OF EMERSON.

AND AS WELL AS PACE AS WELL AS MALABAR ROAD.

THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS YOU KIND OF LIKE THE AVALON'S DEVELOPMENT WHICH IS SHOWN IN THE FAR CORNER, WHICH IS YOU START TO SEE, BUT IT SHOWS YOU WHERE IT IS COMPARED TO THE OVERALL AERIAL MAP. AND THEN THE THE COLOR MAP NEXT TO IT IS THE PHASE THAT HAS NOT YET BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE CITY, BUT WE'VE SEEN EARLY PRESENTATIONS.

IT'S A LARGE PUD, WHICH WOULD BE ON THE WEST SIDE OF LENNAR, WHICH WOULD BE FROM THE C ONE CANAL ALL THE WAY UP PAST EMERSON, PRETTY MUCH UP TO THE THE CITY LIMITS.

SO THAT'S A LARGE PROJECT.

SO I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A HEADS UP AND THAT HAS A IT'S MULTI IT'S GOT SINGLE FAMILY MULTIFAMILY COMMERCIAL.

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SO THAT'S A VERY LARGE PUD THAT HAS HAD SOME EARLIER PRESENTATIONS.

BUT IT HAS NOT COME IN FRONT OF COUNCIL OR THE PNC YET.

BUT WE ALL KNOW IT'S COMING BECAUSE THERE'S A CONCEPT PLAN THAT LOOKS LIKE.

SO I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT ALL THE DEVELOPMENTS.

AND WHERE DOES THAT LEAD US RIGHT NOW? IT LEADS US TO WHERE WE ARE WITH THE INTERSECTION.

EXCUSE ME. GO AHEAD. TOM, I'M JUST NOTICING WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT MOST OF THIS DEVELOPMENT IS FOR CLASSIFIED AS ACTIVE ADULT.

IS THAT OVER 55 COMMUNITIES OR IT KEEPS CHANGING? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LENNAR PACKAGE, IT KEEPS CHANGING.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. SO I DON'T KNOW, LET'S SAY SINCE ESPECIALLY THE LARGE ONE I JUST SHOWED YOU, WE CALL IT THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE WEST BECAUSE IT KEEPS CHANGING HIS NAMES.

IT HAS NOT BEEN RESUBMITTED UNTIL WE GET TO SEE THE RESUBMITTED APPLICATION.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT I KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE A LARGE PAD THAT HAS SINGLE FAMILY MULTIFAMILY, WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE RESTRICTED OR NOT.

WHO'S TO SAY IT'S GOING TO HAVE COMMERCIAL BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN ZONED COMMERCIAL TO HAVE THIS COMMERCIAL WITH POD.

AND, YOU KNOW, OUR COUNCIL ARE GOING TO WANT TO ENCOURAGE THAT.

SO THERE'S GOING TO BE THAT COMMERCIAL COMPONENT, BECAUSE WHEN IT CAME IN THE FIRST TIME, THEY WERE SHY ON THE COMMERCIAL BECAUSE SOME OF THE LAND THAT THEY HAD DESIGNATED FOR COMMERCIAL WAS CONSIDERED TO BE ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE.

AND SO THE REQUEST WAS TO NOT PUT IN THEIR REQUIREMENT FOR COMMERCIAL.

AND COUNCIL DID NOT WANT TO HEAR THAT.

THEY WANTED TO SEE THE FULL PERCENTAGE OF COMMERCIAL FOR THAT SIZE OF DEVELOPMENT.

AND SO WHERE IS THIS LOCATED? THIS IS BASICALLY THE ENTIRE WEST SIDE OF THE SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARK.

WHEN YOU CROSS OVER THE C-1 CANAL, JUST WHERE ALL THE DEVELOPMENT IS, AND THEN YOU SEE PALM VISTA HOMES THAT JUST GOT BUILT, THEN FROM THAT POINT ALL THE WAY UP TILL YOU GET TO THE NEXT BRIDGE, WHICH IS THE COUNTY BRIDGE, RIGHT? THE ENTIRE WEST SIDE, OKAY.

ALL THE WAY TO THE RIVER.

THAT'S THAT DEVELOPMENT. IT'S HUGE.

OKAY. I MEAN, IT'S IT'S IT'S IT'S THE LARGEST DEVELOPMENT NEXT TO THE ONES GOING DOWN SOUTH FOR THIS AREA.

THIS EXCEEDS ALL THOSE OTHER ONES, THE BUILDING.

SO EVERYBODY KNOWS IT'S CABBAGE.

YEAH. THANK YOU SIR.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? JUST MOVING ON. SO HERE WE ARE, THE INTERSECTION OF SAINT JOHNS AND EMERSON.

IT MET THE WARRANTS BASED ON THESE TRAFFIC STUDIES.

WE HAVE A CONSULTANT DOING THE DESIGN IMPROVEMENTS.

IT WILL HAVE A LEFT TURN LANE, A SOUTHBOUND LEFT TURN LANE AT THE INTERSECTION.

WE HAVE NOW HAVE 100% PLANS.

THE ORIGINAL ONES IN OCTOBER I HAD 60% PLANS.

I HAVE NOW 100% PLANS, IS BEING ROUTED INTERNALLY FOR REVIEW AND MAKING SURE WE HAVE.

WE ADDRESSED EVERYTHING. IT WILL INCLUDE LIGHTING AT THE INTERSECTION, SO NOT ONLY WILL IT HAVE A SIGNAL, IT WILL HAVE LIGHTING.

AND THIS AND THIS SIGNAL WILL BE THE FUTURE SIGNAL.

SO IT'S GOING TO HAVE POLES AND MAST ARMS. WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS IT'S GOING TO BE AS WE WIDEN THE ROAD, THE ADDITIONAL POLE WILL HAVE TO BE SHIFTED BACK, BUT KEEP THE SAME POLES IN THE MASS TRYING TO MAKE IT SO I CAN ADJUST IT AND STILL KEEP THE SAME POLES AND MASS TIMES THAT ARE OUT THERE TODAY.

WHEN WE INSTALL THIS TO AS WE WIDEN THE ROAD, JUST MOVE THEM BACK.

SO WE HAVE THOSE DESIGNED THAT WAY.

AND THAT WAS THE CONSULTANTS RESPONSIBILITY TO DO.

AND IT LOOKS LIKE THEY MET THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES.

AGAIN, THIS IS JUST THE INTERIM UNTIL WE GET THE FOUR LANE.

BUT IT WILL HAVE THE POLES AND MAST ON IT.

SO THE EQUIPMENT IS GOING TO BE FOR THE FUTURE, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE DESIGNED RIGHT NOW ONLY FOR THE TWO LANES BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE INSTALLED ASAP, CONSTRUCTED AND INSTALLED.

SO I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT.

AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, THE VERY LAST ITEM IS, YOU KNOW, WE WERE VERY FORTUNATE TO GET STATE ALLOCATIONS LAST YEAR.

SO WE GOT $1.5 MILLION TO WIDEN SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY FOR THE DESIGN PHASE.

AND SO WE NEED TO COME UP WITH THE OTHER 1.8, WHICH WILL PROBABLY BE TIFF FUNDS TO MAKE IT.

THE TOTAL WAS, I THINK, $3.3 MILLION FOR DESIGN FOR THE FOR THE, FOR THE SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY.

AND THIS IS ONLY THE DESIGN PHASE.

THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT $30 MILLION, BUT IT'S WAY STILL LESS THAN THE MALABAR ROAD.

BUT WE FEEL THIS IS A PROJECT THAT SINCE WE GOT STATE ALLOCATION.

AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, AND THE TPO NOTED THIS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE VERY FIRST ROAD PROJECT, A TRANSPORTATION PROJECT THAT STATE ALLOCATION WAS, WAS ISSUED OUT FOR USUALLY STATE ALLOCATIONS FOR LIKE LET'S SAY FOR OTHER LIKE LAGOONS.

RARELY DO YOU SEE A ROAD PROJECT.

THIS IS THE VERY FIRST. AND WE OPENED A LOT OF PEOPLE'S EYES AND I'M SAYING SO, YOU KNOW, GO OUT TO STATE THIS IS A STATE MONEY.

IT'S NOT FEDERAL DOLLARS, IT'S THE GOVERNOR ALLOCATED IT.

AND SO THIS IS FOR THE DESIGN AND THE THE PLAN IS TO WIDEN THE ENTIRE SAINT JOHNS ROAD OR WHAT PORTION OF IT TO ONLY THE CITY LIMITS. OKAY.

WE HAD EARLY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COUNTY DIDN'T WORK OUT.

AND SO THEY DIDN'T SEE THE NEED AS MUCH AS WE DID, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, OUR NEED IS AND YOU CAN SAY, WELL, IT DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE.

IT DOES. YOU KNOW, IT DOES GO.

WE CAN WIDEN ALL THE WAY TO EMERSON, AND THEN WE WIDEN EMERSON, AND THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER WAY TO GET BACK INTO THE CITY.

BUT IT'S STILL SOMETHING WE'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE COUNTY DIDN'T WANT TO WORK WITH US.

AND NOW IT'S NOT JUST THE COUNTY TO.

I REACHED OUT TO WEST MELBOURNE AGAIN.

THEY'RE ALL INTERESTED, BUT NOT IN OUR MOOD WHERE WE WE'RE IN A WE NEED TO GET THIS DONE.

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LIKE NOW WE NEED TO DESIGN DONE.

WE NEED TO GET THE ROADWAY IN CONSTRUCTION.

BECAUSE LIKE I SAY, THE DESIGN IS GOING TO TAKE TWO YEARS, YOU KNOW.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, JUST EVEN CONSTRUCTION IS GOING TO START.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, 26 MAYBE.

SO CONSTRUCTION COMPLETED? MAYBE EVEN LATER THAN THAT, YOU KNOW, 28 MAYBE.

SO LET'S SAY IT TAKES TIME FOR THESE THINGS.

THE ONLY GOOD PART ABOUT THE SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY IS WE HAVE ALL THE RIGHT OF WAY, YOU KNOW, SO THE DESIGN MAY GO FASTER.

I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE. IT MAY GO FASTER THAN A QUESTION.

THE CURB CUT FOR NORFOLK PARKWAY.

IS THAT GOING TO BE ON OUR SIDE OF THE COW BRIDGE OR ON THE COUNTY SIDE OF THE COW BRIDGE? AND IF IT'S ON OUR SIDE, CAN WE GET ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDING FROM THE CITY OF WEST MELBOURNE TO TIE THEM INTO THE PARKWAY? AGAIN, I'M NOT REALLY SURE THE QUESTION YOU'RE ASKING.

NORFOLK PARKWAY IS GOING TO BE EXTENDED FOR A CURB CUT OUT AT THE HERITAGE PARKWAY.

WAS ON A TPO.

UH, NORFOLK PARKWAY.

WHERE THE. WEST ALBEMARLE AS AT PALM BAY ROAD AND MINTON.

THE BACKSIDE OF THAT OVER IN WEST MELBOURNE, NORFOLK PARKWAY IS SUPPOSED TO BE EXTENDED AND A CURB CUT.

IT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL DESIGN FOR THE PARKWAY AND THEY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AND I BELIEVE THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT FOR THE PRESENTATION.

SOME PICTURES. NOW THIS SHOWS YOU WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FROM A STRIPING STANDPOINT.

SO IT WILL HAVE A SOUTHBOUND LEFT TURN LANE WHICH IS REALLY NEEDED.

THE RIGHT TURN LANE IS ALREADY THERE AND EVERYTHING WILL STAY THE WAY IT IS WITH THE WITH THE WITH THE RIGHT LEFT TURN LANES.

THIS IS THE SIGNAL PLAN THAT WAS BEEN DESIGNED ALREADY.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS HAS THE POLES, THE MAST ARMS. SO IT'S ALL SET TO BE AND YOU KICK BACK WIDER.

SO THAT IS THE ULTIMATE DESIGN FOR THE SIGNAL INSTALLATION.

AND THEN WE'LL BE OUT WITH ANY QUESTIONS.

ONE MORE QUESTION.

YES SIR. THE SOUTHBOUND RIGHT LANE.

WILL THAT BE A CONSTANT GREEN OR GO OR WHATEVER, OR WILL THAT BE THE WAY I'M GOING TO TIME IT IS.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE THE GREEN WILL SIT ON THE SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY AND THERE WILL BE A RECALL FOR THE SITES WHICH WILL BE EMERSON.

SO WHEN EMERSON HAS A CAR PRESENT, IT WILL KICK IT AND GIVE IT A CALL.

THAT'S WHAT THEY. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S ON RECALL.

RIGHT. BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE RIGHT LANE AS YOU'RE HEADED SOUTH, WILL IT CONTINUE.

CAN IT CONTINUE FORWARD IN THE TRAFFIC TURNING LEFT, HAVE THEIR OWN LANE AND MERGE OVER INTO THE RIGHT LANE SO THAT TRAFFIC CAN CONTINUE TO FLOW AND NOT BE STOPPED AT EMERSON? NO. WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS WE'RE NOT ADDING THAT TYPE OF CONFIGURATION.

IT'S A STANDARD INTERSECTION.

SO THE LEFT TURN WILL HAVE TO MERGE IN.

IT'S NOT LIKE WHAT YOU SEE ON US, ONE WHERE YOU HAVE A BYPASS LANE WHERE THE RIGHT RIGHT WITH A SINGLE LANE BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY TWO LANES OUT THERE, TWO LANES OPPOSING DIRECTIONS. UNTIL I GET THE FOURTH LANE OUT THERE, YOU CAN'T DO THAT.

SO WE'RE NOT EXPANDING ANY PART OF EMERSON IN THAT AREA TO JUST ANSWER THAT QUESTION AGAIN IN THE IN THE FUTURE, WHEN WE WIDEN EMERSON, THAT LARGE PROJECT, THAT'S NOT WAIT UNTIL YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THIS COMING YEAR, OKAY.

AND SO BY THE END OF NEXT YEAR, THAT'S GOING TO BE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE NOT PRELIMINARY PLANS, FINAL PLANS.

AND SO WITH THAT PROJECT COMING FORWARD EMERSON IS GOING TO BE A FOUR WAY INTERSECTION OKAY.

WITH A MAJOR ROAD. IT'S GOING TO BE A FOUR WAY.

SO THAT CHANGES THE WHOLE IT'S GOING TO THAT INTERSECTION WILL BE WHAT THEY CALL AN EIGHT PHASE INTERSECTION.

FOUR LEGGED DIFFERENT THAN PACE.

PACE WILL ALWAYS BE A THREE LEGGED INTERSECTION.

BUT EMERSON, BECAUSE THAT ROAD WILL CONNECT INTO A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL BE A FOUR LEGGED INTERSECTION.

OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? COMPLETELY FORGOT. I WAS LIKE, OH, IT'S ON ME.

THANK YOU FRANK.

SO NEXT UP IS THE FRED POPPY NEW ENTRANCE AND ROAD UPDATES BY OUR CITY ENGINEER.

YEAH, AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME AREA AGAIN.

THIS IS DISCUSSIONS WE HAD REGARDING WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE POPPY REGIONAL PARK.

AND SO WHAT I HAVE TONIGHT IS JUST THIS LITTLE SUMMARY WHERE WE ARE JUST TO GIVE YOU A HEADS UP, YOU KNOW, THE FRED POPPY REGIONAL PARK.

AT ONE TIME WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS LARGE RV RECREATIONAL FACILITIES.

IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED AT MANY TIMES THROUGH COUNCIL JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A HEADS UP.

COUNCIL. BECAUSE OF THE HIGHER COST OF PUTTING IN ALL THOSE RV PARKS, THEY HAD DECIDED NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT PROJECT.

THEY WERE GIVEN, I BELIEVE IT WAS SOME SORT OF A COUNTY OR STATE RECREATIONAL FUNDS.

IT WASN'T A LARGE CHUNK OF MONEY, BUT THEY WERE GIVEN.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT WAS IN THE MILLIONS, BUT BECAUSE THE COST TO DO THE WORK WAS WAY MORE THAN WHAT THEY'RE HOPED TO HAVE IN TERMS OF POTENTIALLY BRINGING IN ADDITIONAL REVENUE AND OTHER AMENITIES.

THEY FELT THAT THE NEED RIGHT NOW, WITH THE MONEY THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW, IS TO PUT THE CONNECTION IN, BECAUSE THEY FEEL THAT THE CONNECTION FOR THAT REGIONAL PARK IS IS

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DEFICIENT, BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY ONE RIGHT NOW FOR MALABAR ROAD, AND THE ONE OFF OF MALABAR ROAD IS NOT THE GREATEST.

SO THEY WANTED TO PUT A SECOND CONNECTION, WHICH WOULD BE FROM THE SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY, INTO THE REGIONAL PARK.

AND IN THAT PROCESS, IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED TO INSTALL A BRIDGE TO CROSS OVER THE C7 CANAL.

SO THAT'S WHERE THIS THING CAME FROM.

SO THE COUNCIL DIRECTION WAS TO NOT SPEND THE MONEY FOR THE RV PARK, BUT THEN BUT THEN ON THE BACK BURNER.

BUT THE BUT TO PUT THE MONEY IN TERMS OF THE BRIDGE AND ANY KIND OF REGIONAL CONNECTION.

SO THERE IS A CONNECTION INTO THE REGIONAL PARK.

SO THERE'LL BE A BRAND NEW CONNECTION OFF OF SAINT JOHNS, SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY.

SO THAT'S WHY THIS PROJECT MOVED FORWARD.

AND THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW HIRING A CONSULTANT.

JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THOSE BRIDGE PRICES WERE WERE WERE UP THERE.

I RECALL IT WAS LIKE A THE A SPAN WAS 4 MILLION.

THE PREFAB BRIDGE WAS 3 MILLION.

AND THE WHAT THEY CALL IT JUST A REGULAR CONCRETE BRIDGE, A BOX GIRDER CONCRETE LIKE A FREEWAY BRIDGE WAS LIKE, LIKE 2.5 MILLION.

SO THOSE ARE THE PRICES.

BUT I HEARD RECENTLY, NOW, BECAUSE WE'VE ADDED A LOT MORE OTHER AMENITIES, A LOT OF BIKE LANES, LIGHTING.

SO THAT BRIDGE IS GETTING TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE IN, IN PRICE.

BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW FROM.

FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT.

THEY HIRED A CONSULTANT IS BEING MANAGED THROUGH PARKS AND RECREATION.

BUT SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS NEW ENGINE THAT WILL BE KIND OF MAKING IT A FOUR WAY WHERE THE SAINT JOHN'S PRESERVE IS RIGHT NOW, WHERE THEIR ENTRANCE IS, IS A THREE LEGGED INTERSECTION. THEY INSTALLED A LEFT TURN LANE AND A RIGHT TURN LANE.

THIS WILL MIRROR UP WITH THAT INTERSECTION.

SO THAT WILL BECOME A FOUR LEGGED INTERSECTION.

SO THE FOURTH LEG WOULD BE THE ENTRANCE INTO THE REGIONAL PARK.

SO AGAIN THE CONSULTANT IS DOING THE ANALYSIS.

IT WILL GO TO COUNCIL BECAUSE BECAUSE OF THE COST AMOUNT.

SO THAT WILL GO BACK TO COUNCIL.

AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT WE'VE ALSO LOOKED AT MODIFYING, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THE CURRENT ENTRANCE OFF OF MALABAR ROAD.

NUMBER ONE, IT'S NOT THE GREATEST BECAUSE IT'S SO CLOSE TO THE SEA TEN CANAL THAT IT GETS HIT ALL THE TIME.

AND YOU'VE SEEN THAT GUARDRAIL.

IT'S ALWAYS GOT BARRICADES, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN HIT.

AND THE WORST CONDITION RIGHT NOW IS THAT ROAD CHAMPIONSHIP, THE ROAD ITSELF, IT WAS NEVER ACCEPTED.

WE ACCEPTED THE PARK, BUT THAT LITTLE SLIVER OF A LOT KIND OF GOT FILLED THROUGH THE CRACKS.

SO WE STILL HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT SLIVER OF IT DID IT WENT TO COUNCIL.

RIGHT NOW IT'S WAITING FOR THE COUNTY NOW TO, YOU KNOW, TO ISSUE THE RELEASE OF THE ROADWAY.

BUT WE'VE ALREADY WENT THROUGH OUR CITY COUNCIL TO ACCEPT THAT AS, AS OUR ROAD.

SO THAT'S IN THE PROCESS. BUT I'LL SHOW YOU ON A SLIDE HERE.

THIS IS THE LARGE RV PARK THAT THEY WANTED TO DO.

AIN'T GOING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE'S SOME COST CONSTRAINTS.

SO THIS ONE TO HIGHLIGHT THAT YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE ENTRANCE WOULD BE OFF OF SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY.

AND SO IT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, IT'LL STILL CONNECT, BUT IT WON'T CONNECT TO THAT MASSIVE RV PARK.

THIS IS THE SAINT JOHNS PRESERVE ENTRANCE RIGHT NOW.

AS IT SITS, THERE'S A LEFT TURN LANE, A RIGHT TURN LANE.

SO THAT WILL BE THE FOURTH LEG, AND THIS WILL BE THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FOURTH LEG WITH THE BRIDGE WILL BE.

AND THIS IS A PLAN THAT OUR, OUR ENGINEER HECTOR DID WITH OUR STAFF.

IT'LL LOOK DIFFERENT THAN THIS BECAUSE THINGS HAVE CHANGED.

BUT IT'S CONCEPT WISE.

THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS A BRIDGE ON AS THE FOURTH LEG OF THAT INTERSECTION.

AND THEN THE LAST ITEM I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT WAS, AGAIN, THE SHIFTING OR MAKING MALABAR ROAD A BETTER ENTRANCE.

THE EASIEST WAY IS TO JUST KICK THE ROAD OVER AWAY FROM THE C10 CANAL.

SO KICK IT A WHOLE LANE AWAY.

SO THAT WAY YOU HAVE A NICE TURN RADIUS.

WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN CARS, NOT CARS, REALLY TRUCKS AND TRAILERS AND RVS THAT ARE LARGE, THEY CAN'T MAKE THAT TURN BECAUSE THAT GUARDRAIL IS SO CLOSE, SO CLOSE.

THEY HIT IT EVERY TIME.

I'VE HAD MANY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COUNTY AND AND THEY'RE OKAY WITH THIS.

I'VE ACTUALLY TALKED TO THE COUNTY STAFF AND I SENT THIS TO THEM AND THEY SAID, AS LONG AS IT'S OKAY WITH THE FUTURE, WHICH IS THREE FOURTHS, IT'S COMING ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE, MAKE IT THE FOURTH LEG.

SO I DID I REACHED OUT TO THEIR ENGINEER AND THEY SAID, IT'S OKAY TOO IF YOU KICK THE ROAD OVER LIKE WE DID.

SO I'M MATCHING UP WITH THE FUTURE THREE FOURTHS DEVELOPMENT.

AND SO THE SHIFTING OF THE ROAD, THE COUNTY HAS NO PROBLEM WITH US DOING THAT.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER PROJECT THAT'S OUT THERE TOO, THAT, YOU KNOW, AS WE MOVE FORWARD, YOU KNOW, IT'S STILL GOING TO NEED TO BE A GOOD ENTRANCE, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE AN ENTRANCE THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT, YOU KNOW, GUARDRAIL GETTING HIT EVERY TIME.

SO THIS IS OUR THIS IS OUR SOLUTION TO IT.

IT'S NOT A HIGH COST, BUT IT WORKS OUT AND WORKS OUT WELL WITH THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THE THREE FORKS.

SO I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT.

SO WHEN WE'RE WORKING ON THE ONE END IN-HOUSE STAFF WORKED ON THIS END.

AND THAT'S IT.

WHEN IS THE PROJECTED TIME FOR THE BRIDGE TO BE DONE? THE TIME FRAME IS LIKE SAYING IT'S GOING TO GO.

THEY HAVE RECEIVED THE THE QUOTE FOR THE DESIGN SERVICES.

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I BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO PROBABLY GO TO COUNCIL IN JANUARY.

IF IT GETS ACCEPTED AND THE COUNCIL APPROVES THAT, THEN THE CONTRACT COULD GET STARTED.

I THINK IT'S A YEAR PLUS FOR THE DESIGN PHASE.

OKAY. YOU KNOW, AND THEN THEN IT WILL BE THE COST OF THE CONSTRUCTION TO RELEASE OUT A BID TO AWARD CONSTRUCTION OF THE BRIDGE.

SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 20, 26, 27, KNOW IF WE HAVE IT DONE BY THE END OF NEXT YEAR, LET'S SAY 2024.

LET'S SAY YOU GO OUT IN 2025 WITH CONSTRUCTION FOR THE BRIDGE.

YOU COULD HAVE IT BUILT A BRIDGE LIKE THIS.

YOU COULD HAVE IT BUILT WITHIN, YOU KNOW, I GUARANTEE YOU ABOUT 100, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE, MAYBE A YEAR AND A HALF.

OKAY. IT'S MAINLY BECAUSE, AGAIN, MATERIAL WISE, MY ISSUE IS GETTING STEEL AND CONCRETE.

IT'S HARD TO GET RIGHT NOW AND IT'S STILL A BIT HARD TO GET.

SO THOSE ARE THE TWO HIGH COSTS YOU I'M SAYING THESE ARE NOT STANDARD.

THESE BRIDGE BOX GIRDERS.

THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GOING WITH. THE BRIDGE BOX GIRDERS.

THEY'RE MANUFACTURED. THEY DON'T KEEP LIKE LIKE A TYPE C INLET BOX.

YOU'RE GOING TO MANUFACTURE THOSE AND THEY'RE MANUFACTURED TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS ARE FOR THAT BRIDGE.

AND SO IT WILL TAKE TIME TO, TO JUST TO MANUFACTURE THE PIECES.

OUT OF THE HOW IT WAS TYING INTO THE RV PARK.

IS IT JUST GOING TO GO OFF? IS IT CHAMPION CIRCLE? IS IT GOING TO GO CONNECT DIRECTLY TO THAT? OR THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE THAT THAT LOCATION WILL BE SIGNALIZED TO AS THAT DEVELOPMENT COMES IN.

IF THAT DEVELOPMENT HAS THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE AN RV PARK ON THAT SIDE AS WELL, AND SEVERAL OTHER COMMERCIAL OUTPARCELS.

AGAIN, IT WASN'T CLEAR IN THE PRELIMINARY AND THEN FINAL THEY HAVE SET ASIDE SAYING COMMERCIAL, RETAIL, COMMERCIAL, YOU KNOW, FOR THE RV PARK, THEY HAD STORAGE AND THEN THEY HAD A WHOLE BUNCH OF MULTIFAMILIES IN THE REAR.

BUT THE WAY I SEE IT, AS THE COMMERCIALS FOLD THROUGH THE NEED FOR A SIGNAL, A LOT OF TIMES IT'S GOING TO BE MET MAINLY BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF TRIPS AND HOW IT GENERATES.

SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS ENTRANCE AND HAVING MORE ACTIVITY AT THE PARK, AND THAT'S WHAT THIS WHOLE ISSUE OF HAVING A BRIDGE, HAVING BETTER ACCESS. SO MAYBE THEY HAVE A LOT MORE BASEBALL, A LOT MORE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, OTHER EVENTS THERE WE ARE JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR TRAFFIC OPERATIONS IS GOING TO PUT OUT A COUNTER NEXT WEEK BECAUSE WE WANT TO COUNT WHAT THE HIGHEST VOLUMES ARE DURING DECEMBER BECAUSE WE HAVE ALL THOSE EVENTS, THE THE WHAT IS IT, THE EXTRAVAGANZA WHICH IS THE LARGEST EVENT.

SO IS TRAFFIC ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS.

SO THEY CANCELED THE THE CHRISTMAS LIGHT SHOW.

BUT I SAW FROM JULIET TODAY THAT THEY ARE STILL HAVING THE EXTRAVAGANZA WHICH IS ON A SATURDAY.

AND SO THAT'S THE DATE THEY REALLY WANT TO COUNT.

THEY SAID THEY HAVE MORE PEOPLE.

YEAH, THAT'S THE MORE THEY SAID THAT'S THE BIGGEST EVENT THEY HAVE AT THAT PARK.

I DON'T KNOW, I'VE BEEN THERE.

YEAH, I DON'T KNOW.

BUT IT'S CALLED THE EXTRAVAGANZA OKAY.

I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON THIS.

THIS IS GOING TO BE A COST SHARE OF IMPACT FEES BETWEEN PARKS AND PUBLIC WORKS.

THAT IS CORRECT. INFRASTRUCTURE.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT SPLIT WILL BE WILL BE LIKE? INFRASTRUCTURE IS THE INTERSECTION AND PARKS IS THE BRIDGE THE TERM AND THIS WHOLE PROCESS.

THE CITY ATTORNEY WAS ALSO INVOLVED, AND SHE FEELS COMFORTABLE AS LONG AS THAT BRIDGE IS USED AS A CONNECTION INTO THE REGIONAL PARK.

SO THIS IS THE ENTRANCE TO THE REGIONAL PARK.

YOU CAN USE PARK FEES AS WELL AS THE ROAD FEES BECAUSE YOU KNOW, SO IT'S IT'S BECAUSE WE'RE ADDING, LET'S SAY BIKE LANES AND, YOU KNOW, ACCESS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOING TO BE USED FOR THE PARK. SHE FEELS COMFORTABLE THAT YOU CAN USE THAT.

EARLY ON IN THIS PROCESS.

I KNOW THERE WAS SOME CONCERN THAT SAINT JOHN'S WANTED THE BRIDGE TO BE SO HIGH SO THAT THEY COULD GET THEIR BOATS UNDERNEATH IT.

THAT'S THAT'S TILLMAN.

THAT CANAL, THE C7, IS NOT A SAINT JOHN'S.

IT'S A MELVIN TILLMAN WATER QUALITY MANAGEMENT DISTRICT OR OKAY WATER CONTROL DISTRICT.

WATER CONTROL DISTRICT. SORRY.

AND THEY HAVE WHAT THEY CALL WHAT IS THAT THING CALLED.

IT'S A VERY LARGE.

YEAH. THEY HAVE A VERY LARGE DEVICE THAT THEY GO UP AND DOWN THE CANALS TO HELP, YOU KNOW, CLEAR THE VEGETATION.

YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? AND IT'S GOT A LARGE IT'S GOT A LARGE CLEARANCE.

AND THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD CLEAR UNDER THAT BRIDGE.

AND SO BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S TO A POINT WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, RAISE THE BRIDGE.

YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? I WAS JUST ENOUGH CLEARANCE FROM YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK THERE, THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RIGHT NOW WHERE THE WATER ELEVATION IS AT RIGHT NOW TO LET'S SAY IF YOU JUST DREW A LINE ACROSS, THERE'S A GOOD, YOU KNOW, 20FT ON THE SUMI.

OH, SURE. YEAH. YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE ALIGNMENT OF THE CURRENT ENTRANCE.

WHEN THEY DO THAT ALIGNMENT, WILL THEY MOVE THE SIGN BACK OFF OF MALABAR ROAD ALSO? NOPE, I MISSED THE SIGN.

EXCUSE ME. DID I MISS THE SIGN? THE ELECTRONIC SIGN THAT'S OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.

RIGHT. YEAH, I MISS IT.

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OKAY. I'D RATHER BE MOVED BACK.

SORRY. I'M TRYING TO KEEP THESE COSTS AFFORDABLE, YOU GUYS, BECAUSE THIS HAS, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL HARDWIRED IN.

SO THERE'S NO POWER AND EVERYTHING FOR US.

SO I'M TRYING TO KEEP THINGS.

WHAT I'M SAYING THAT SHIFT IS ONE LANE SHIFT OVER TO TRY TO MISS EVERYTHING.

AND IT LINES UP PRETTY WELL.

AND IT GIVES US A GOOD TURNING RADIUS AND LINES.

AND ACTUALLY THE THREE FORKS PEOPLE LIKED IT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T LIKE TO BE THAT CLOSE TO THE C7 CANAL AS WELL.

THEY HAD THE SAME CONCERNS AS WELL.

SO THE FARTHER THEY CAN GET IT AWAY FROM THAT CANAL, THE BETTER FOR EVERYBODY.

AND THEN THE COUNTY SUPPORTS IT TOO, AS I MENTIONED.

GENTLEMEN, ARE WE OKAY? ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE? NO. FRANK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE THIRD ORDER OF BUSINESS.

THE TREE REMOVAL ALONG FOREST KNOLL DRIVE BY OUR AMAZING CITY MANAGER.

YEAH. LET ME HIGHLIGHT AGAIN IF YOU.

UH, LOOK AT THE SLIDE.

THIS IS TIED TO WHAT WE CALL COUNTRY CLUB 110 ROAD PAVING.

AND THIS IS GOING TO BE HOPEFULLY RELEASED OUT IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

AND SO AND COUNTRY CLUB IS ONE OF THE LARGER THE LARGEST ONE WE HAVE LEFT NOW FOR ROAD PAVING.

IT'S GOT A MIXTURE OF FDR AND PAVE OVERLAYS.

BUT IN THIS WHOLE LARGE IF YOU KNOW THAT AREA, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOT, YOU KNOW, RIVIERA MIDDLEBROOK AND IT'S GOT A LOT OF STREETS, A LOT OF ALL RESIDENTIAL.

WE HAVE ONE AREA WHICH IS WHAT WE CALL.

FOR SNOW. AND THE PROBLEM WE HAVE WITH FOREST SNOW IS THE INTEREST FOR SNOW.

THERE'S. THERE'S TWO OF THEM.

THERE'S THERE'S THE INTEREST THAT AT TREE RIDGE.

OMMADAWN. YOU COME OFF A DARN, YOU GO.

YOU TURN OFF TO TO FOREST KNOLL AND THEN THAT HAS A LINE.

OF PINE TREES IN THE MEDIAN ISLAND.

AND I'LL SHOW YOU PICTURES OF THAT.

AND THEN. THEN YOU HAVE TO TURN IT AGAIN.

AND THEN THAT STREET IS WHAT THEY CALL TREE.

RIDGE. AND THAT TREE RIDGE HAS ALSO MEDIAN ISLAND.

AND THAT HAS LIKE THREE PALM.

TREES. AND, AND THE PROBLEM WITH THE THE SECOND ONE TREE RIDGE WAS WHEN THERE'S.

A DEVELOPMENT OCCURRING RIGHT NOW THERE'S AN APARTMENT COMPLEX BEING BUILT AND FOR.

THAT APARTMENT COMPLEX TO HAVE SUFFICIENT ROOM TO PUT IN THE SIDEWALK.

COUNCIL WANTED THAT SIDEWALK.

AND SO WE SAID TO MAKE THINGS BETTER FOR EVERYBODY.

SINCE YOU DON'T HAVE THE ROOM WHEN WE DO THE ROAD WIDENING AND WE DO THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, WE COULD THEN PUT THE ROAD BACK AS A STANDARD TWO LANE ROAD, TAKE OUT THE MEDIAN ISLAND, TAKE OUT THE PALM TREES AND YOU HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO PROVIDE THAT SIDEWALK FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT.

THEY LIKE THAT. SO I SAID, OKAY, WE'LL DO THAT.

AND THE DEVELOPER AGREED TO IT.

SO WE SAID, WELL, THEN SOON AFTER THAT, AS WE HAD DISCUSSION WITH OUR OPERATIONS STAFF FOR SNOW HAS NOW BECOME AN ISSUE BECAUSE IT HAS ABOUT 18 SO MANY PINE TREES.

AND THAT'S CAUSING A ROUTING PROBLEMS AND IT'S CAUSING PROBLEMS WITH THE PAVEMENT.

AND THE WORST THING RIGHT NOW IS THAT BOTH THESE STREETS, BECAUSE THE, THE, THE THE WIDTH OF THE MEDIAN ISLAND AND IT'S LIKE SEVEN FEET, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING.

AND IT'S FLUSH SO THERE'S NO CURBS OKAY.

SO WHEN YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, ROADWAY FLUSH GRASS TREE LESS THAN FOUR FEET, THAT'S SORRY.

IT NEEDS TO BE LESS THAN I THINK SIX FEET.

OKAY. EITHER SIDE OKAY.

WHICH, WHICH THIS MEDIAN IS ONLY SEVEN FEET.

SO YOU DON'T MEET CLEAR ZONE.

SO RIGHT OFF THE BAT IT'S UNSAFE.

HATES IT. THIS NEW STANDARD GREEN BOOK THEY CALL IT CLEAR ZONE.

THEY HAVE CERTAIN ROADS. YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE CLEAR ZONE SO YOU DON'T COME HIT A TREE, HIT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE YOU MORE DAMAGE THAN, SAY, BODILY DAMAGE.

SO WE HAVE THESE STANDARDS NOW.

SO THE STANDARD SAYS YOU GOT TO HAVE A CLEAR ZONE.

YOU GOT TO MEET THAT CLEAR ZONE.

SO THOSE TREES GOT TO COME OUT.

SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE HAVE NOW THIS PRESENTATION TO GIVE TO YOU, TO THE PUBLIC THAT SAYS WE WANT TO TAKE THESE TREES OUT FOR PUBLIC SAFETY AND SAY WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, AGAINST THE TREES, BUT FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.

THEY SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN INSTALLED BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MEET THE CLEAR ZONE.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING TONIGHT IS TO TO IS TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE AWARE THAT AS PART OF THE ROAD PROGRAM, WE WERE GOING TO TAKE OUT THOSE THREE TREES.

BUT NOW OUR PUBLIC WORKS WANTS TO JUST DO IT ALL.

SO THEY'LL DO ALL THE TREE REMOVALS, THESE THESE PINE TREES ON FOREST KNOLL AND THE THREE PINE PALM TREES ON TREE RIDGE.

AND I'LL SHOW YOU SOME PHOTOGRAPHS, WHAT THIS THING LOOK LIKE SO YOU CAN HAVE A BETTER VIEW.

SO, SO AGAIN, SO AS YOU'RE, AS YOU'RE COMING INTO FOREST NOTES, YOU CAN START SEEING THE PINE TREES.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE SMALL THIN MEDIAN ISLAND.

SO THERE IS NO CURB.

THERE'S NO MIAMI CURB.

SO YOU CAN HIT THESE TREES.

YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING AT NIGHT AND DO SOME DAMAGE.

AND SO AS YOU'RE COMING AROUND THE CORNER AGAIN, YOU SEE, I'M SAYING IT'S ALL FLUSH, YOU KNOW.

NO, NO CURBING ON EITHER THE SHOULDER SIDE OR THE MEDIAN ISLAND SIDE.

AND IT CONTINUES ON.

SO ALL THESE TREES, YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE WAY SHORT OF THE SIX FEET OF CLEARANCE I NEED FROM THE EDGE OF THE ROADWAY TO THE FIXED OBJECT.

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SO RIGHT THERE IT LOOKS LIKE MAYBE LIKE THREE FEET.

SO YOU'RE WELL SHORT OF YOUR CLEAR ZONE.

SO SAFETY WISE YOU NEED TO COME OUT OR YOU NEED TO PUT SOME SORT OF A CURVE.

SO THE COST OF THE CURB WOULD EXCEED THE COST OF THE TREES TREE IS GONE.

AND SO THIS IS AT THE END AS YOU TURN AROUND.

NOW AS YOU CAN SEE RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN SEE THE CONSTRUCTION ALREADY BEING DEVELOPED FOR THE APARTMENT COMPLEX AROUND THE TREE RIDGE.

AND THIS WILL TURN INTO TREE RIDGE.

JUST WANT TO SHOW YOU WHAT THE TAIL END OF IT LOOKS LIKE.

AND SO THIS IS THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT I WAS TALKING ABOUT ON THREE RIDGE.

WE THERE'S A CUL DE SAC THERE RIGHT NOW WHICH THEY WOULD THEN TAKE OUT AND BUILD THESE MULTIFAMILY APARTMENT COMPLEXES.

AND SO AND THEN THEY'LL PUT IN THE SIDEWALK.

JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU THAT PROJECT.

AND THOSE ARE THE THREE TREES.

SO THREE PALM TREES ON TREE RIDGE, AS YOU SEE ONE OF THEM IS ONE OF THEM'S ALREADY DEAD.

YEAH. SO AND AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE AND THIS IS EVEN SMALLER IN WIDTH.

SO AGAIN COMING AROUND THE CORNER LATE AT NIGHT, IF YOU HIT ONE OF THOSE PALM TREES, THAT'S A, THAT'S A SERIOUS ISSUE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MEET THE CLEAR ZONE.

SO FOR SAFETY WISE TREES GOT TO COME OUT.

SO THAT'S IT. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, FRANK? HAS THERE BEEN ANY? ACCIDENTS THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT'S ALREADY CURRENTLY TAKING PLACE BECAUSE OF WHERE THE BECAUSE YOU SAID IF SOMEBODY BUT HAVE WE ACTUALLY SEEN THAT TAKE PLACE ALREADY.

NO WE DID A QUICK WE HAVE WHAT THEY CALL SIGNAL FOR WHICH SHOWS US A CRASH DATA.

WE DON'T SEE ANY. BUT A LOT OF TIMES THAT'S JUST REPORTING, OKAY.

IN THAT ENVIRONMENT IN THOSE COMMUNITIES OUT THERE, I THINK A LOT OF THOSE ACCIDENTS ARE NOT BECAUSE TRUST ME, I'VE SEEN BUSSES, GUYS.

I'VE BEEN OUT THERE NUMEROUS TIMES.

THERE'S BEEN BUSTED GLASS AROUND THOSE TREES LIKE SOMEONE HIT IT.

BUT BASED ON THE REPORTED ACCIDENTS, I DON'T HAVE ANY WHAT THEY CALL THIS DATABASE THAT WE USE WHICH WHICH IS THE RPDS IN IT, DOTS IN IT. SO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IS IN IT.

SO THERE'S ANY INCIDENTS, REPORTED INCIDENTS IT WOULD SHOW UP.

IT HAS NOT SHOWN UP.

BUT AGAIN, I'VE BEEN OUT THERE AND THERE'S BEEN BUSTED GLASS LIKE SOMEONE HIT A TREE AND YOU CAN SEE THE TREES GOT TO BE GOUGING ON IT.

SO SOMEONE HIT IT, BUT IT WASN'T REPORTED.

AND THEN. IS THERE SOME TYPE? I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY PUSHBACK FROM INDIVIDUALS FROM THAT COMMUNITY TO SAY THEY DON'T WANT THE TREES GONE OR IT'S HARD.

THAT'S WHY WE CAME HERE IN FRONT OF YOU AS A PUBLIC MEETING.

I THINK IT'S ALWAYS WISE TO WHEN YOU DO SOMETHING SENSITIVE LIKE TREE REMOVAL, YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, AND WE'RE GIVING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO CHIME IN IF THEY WANT TO.

AND THIS IS BEING RECORDED.

AND SO IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY LATER ON, SAY, IF SOMEONE REALLY WANTS A TREE AND CARES ABOUT THAT TREE AND HAS SOME ISSUES WITH IT, YOU KNOW, MAY WANT TO COME BACK TO US OR TO THE CITY COUNCIL SAYING WE THE PROJECT HAS BEEN BIDDED OUT, YET PUBLIC WORKS IS NOT GOING OUT THERE WITH THE DOZERS TOMORROW.

BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? WE'RE AT LEAST GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW AND MAKING SURE WE GIVE EVERYBODY AN OPPORTUNITY TO KNOW THAT WE NEED TO REMOVE THOSE TREES FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.

IT DOESN'T MEET CLEAR ZONE.

AND THE MOMENT WE FOUND OUT I WAS MADE AWARE OF IT, WE GOT TO TAKE ACTION ON IT.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.

SO THIS SO TAKING OUT THAT MEDIAN, PUTTING THE LANE TOGETHER, THE TWO WAY ROAD THAT SIDEWALK OVER TO THE RIGHT I'M LOOKING AT THE LAST PHOTO.

YEAH. IS THAT THE SIDEWALK THAT WILL KEEP OR IT'LL ALL BE SQUISHED IN WITH THAT EXTRA LAND.

IS THERE ANY WAY TO PLANT NEW SOME TYPE OF TREES, WHETHER IT'S PINE PALM OR THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S COMING IN IS GOING TO HAVE THEIR OWN LANDSCAPING AS WELL.

BUT BASED ON THEIR LANDSCAPING AND SWELLS AND ALL THE AMENITIES NICELY, THEY WANTED, THEY THEY FELT THAT THE SIDEWALK WOULD BE TIGHT IF THE ROAD STAYED THE WAY IT IS.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE SAID. WE WOULD JUST TAKE OUT THAT MEDIAN ISLAND AND WE'LL JUST MAKE IT A STANDARD TWO LANE ROADWAY AND THEY'LL HAVE ANOTHER EIGHT FEET.

I COULD PROVIDE FOR MORE THAN ENOUGH FOR SIDEWALK.

THEY LIKE THAT. COUNCIL LIKE THAT IDEA, TOO, WHEN WE WERE BRINGING IT UP IN THE REVIEW PROCESS, AND WE ALL AGREED, THAT'S THE PROCESS WE'LL GO THROUGH AS AS WE GO THROUGH THE ROAD PROGRAM WILL TO SHRINK THAT ROADWAY DOWN TO A STANDARD TWO LANE ROAD, TAKE OUT THAT MEDIAN ISLAND BECAUSE IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE ANYWAY.

TAKE OUT THOSE PALM TREES AND WE'LL ALL BE HAPPY WITH THAT EXTRA EIGHT FEET.

IS THERE ANY WILL THE APARTMENT COMPLEX OR THE DEVELOPMENT? WILL THEY BE PLANTING TREES IN THAT AREA? IS THERE ANY WAY TO LIKE BRING IN MORE TREES AS REQUIRED UNDER THERE? I'M SAYING FENCING AND LANDSCAPING AS PART OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS APPROVED WITH THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS.

I'M SAYING I DON'T I DON'T THINK I DON'T THINK THIS SHOWS THAT THIS IS JUST A GENERAL SITE PLAN, BUT THEY HAVE DIFFERENT PLANS THAT SHOWS THEIR LANDSCAPING, THEIR, YOU KNOW, OTHER AMENITIES THEY HAVE TO HAVE FOR THIS PROJECT.

SO ESSENTIALLY ALL THE TREES THAT ARE BEING TAKEN OUT ARE GOING TO BE REPLACED WITH THIS COMPLEX.

BUT THIS SITE RIGHT NOW IT HAS THERE'S A CUL DE SAC THERE.

THERE'S THERE'S A UTILITY LINE IN THERE THAT ALL HAS GOT TO COME OUT BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE ALL NEW SYSTEM PUT IN.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S EVEN A STREETLIGHT BACK THERE TOO.

ALL THAT'S GOT TO COME OUT AND THEN ALL THIS NEW STUFF WILL GET PUT IN AND IT'LL LOOK NICE.

AND JUST A SIDE NOTE TO THAT DRIVEWAY BY ACCIDENT WAS PUT IN THE WRONG LOCATION, JUST SO THAT IF YOU GO OUT THERE, YOU'LL SEE THE REMAINING INLETS WITH THE PIPE MITERED ENDS.

WERE THEY BY ACCIDENT, INSTALLED THE DRIVEWAY IN THE WRONG, WRONG LOCATION, BUT WE HAD THEM TAKE IT OUT AND SO THAT'S BEEN FIXED.

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SURE. SO A COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS.

THIS ONLY AFFECTS THOSE MULTIFAMILY DWELLINGS RIGHT? CORRECT. AND THIS IS ALL DONE ON PUBLIC PROPERTY.

AND WE WON'T BE IMPOSING ON ANYBODY'S PRIVATE PROPERTY.

RIGHT. THIS IS ALL PUBLIC.

YES. THANK YOU.

BUT AGAIN YOU KNOW, IF YOU KNOW THIS AREA, TREE RIDGE IS KIND OF LIKE A BIG CUL DE SAC.

IT DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE. THIS IS THE ONLY WAY.

THE ONLY ENTRANCE TO THIS AREA IS OFF OF DAWN.

SO THIS IS BASICALLY IT'S ONE LARGE CUL DE SAC.

EVEN THOUGH IT'S A CIRCULAR STREET, IT HAS OTHER.

THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO GET IN AND OUT.

BUT THE SAFETY REGULATIONS SAY BEST PRACTICES ARE THESE TREES SHOULD GO.

NO, IT'S SAFE TO SAY YOU SHALL MEET CLEAR ZONE.

RIGHT? THAT'S IT.

CIAO. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM UP HERE? ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? YES. CAN YOU STEP UP TO? YES. SHE KNOWS THE ROUTINE.

THANK YOU. THIS IS SUSAN CONNOLLY.

THIS IS A QUESTION IN GENERAL, AND IT MAY GO BACK TO YOUR ORIGINAL, THE FIRST PRESENTATION, MR. WATANABE. AND THAT IS AS THINGS ARE BEING DESIGNED AND CHANGED AND WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING IN NEW.

IS THERE A LOOK AT PERVIOUS, CONCRETE OR PERVIOUS THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE PLANS? AND YEAH, WE'RE FOLLOWING NATALIE'S FOOTSTEPS.

ARE YOU? YES WE ARE.

WE'RE TRYING TO DO AS MUCH LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT.

HECTOR AND I, EVERY TIME WE TRY TO LOOK AT SOMETHING, WE ALWAYS TRY TO SEE IS THERE OPPORTUNITIES WHERE WE CAN DO SOME SORT OF LOW DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, IMPROVEMENTS IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, IMPERVIOUS MATERIALS, I'M SAYING, OR WHAT ARE WAYS WE CAN TO PROVIDE THAT LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT.

WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT ON SOME OF THESE OTHER ONES THAT ARE ALREADY FOR THIS PROJECT TO BE IN CONSTRUCTION, WHICH IT IS IN CONSTRUCTION, YOU KNOW, IT HAPPENED FIVE YEARS AGO.

AND SO IT'S HARD ON THESE NEW DEVELOPMENTS.

OSPREY. YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE COMING UP THE PIPE.

YES, DEFINITELY. WE BE LOOKING AT OPPORTUNITIES, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE MORE WE CAN TRY TO, YOU KNOW, HELP IMPROVE THE WATER QUALITY EARLY ON, MAKE IT SELF-CONTAINED IN THEIR OWN DEVELOPMENT IS BETTER AND THEY LIKE IT AS WELL.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT GIVES IT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITIES TO, YOU KNOW, BE MORE CREATIVE TOO ON SOME OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS.

SO HECTOR AND I, WE TRY TO DO OUR BEST TO TRY TO ADD THAT COMPONENT.

THANK YOU.

YES. BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

DO YOU HAVE ANY ROUGH IDEA HOW MUCH THAT'S GOING TO INCREASE THE COST FOR THE TREE REMOVAL OF WHAT THAT WAS GOING TO RUN, YOU KNOW, 5000 OR 6000? NO IDEA. I'M NOT SURE.

CHRISTINE. YOU REMEMBER IT WAS A VERY NOMINAL AMOUNT OF MONEY.

LIKE I SAID, WE'RE DOING IT IN HOUSE.

SO IT'S ACTUALLY TO CLARIFY THAT IT'S NOT A PART OF THE BID.

THE TREE REMOVAL WILL BE DONE BY OUR OPERATIONS STAFF IN HOUSE.

OKAY. SO ZERO ZERO.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? FRANK, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATIONS TODAY.

YES. NOT A QUESTION.

I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE A MOTION OR I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND THE TREE REMOVAL ALONG FOREST DRIVE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PLANS PUT BEFORE US.

THANK YOU. I WAS GONNA ASK FOR THAT.

SO YOU'RE MAKING A MOTION TO REMOVE THE TREES ALONG FOREST KNOLL DRIVE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DOCUMENTATION THAT WAS PUT BEFORE US. OKAY.

SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE AYE AYE. OPPOSED? GOOD PASSES.

UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

DO WE HAVE ANY AGENDA REQUESTS FOR FUTURE MEETINGS? I HAVE ONE MORE THING I WOULD LIKE TO ADD, IF I MAY, MA'AM.

THANK YOU.

I HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED BY THERESA JONES, OUR CITY CLERK, THAT THIS BOARD SUNSETS AT THE END OF DECEMBER.

IT IS. WE ARE GOING FOR COUNCIL ON DECEMBER 7TH.

UM, SHOWING LETTING THEM KNOW THAT THERE'S A SUNSET DATE OF DECEMBER 31ST, AND I WAS ASKED TO ADVISE YOU ACCORDINGLY.

THE BOARD DOES HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REINSTATE.

I'M SORRY. CITY COUNCIL HAS THE ABILITY TO REINSTATE THE BOARD FOR THREE YEAR PERIODS.

JUST AN F.Y.I.

SOMETHING THE WHOLE BOARD SUNSET OR THE.

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MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE WHOLE BOARD WILL SUNSET ON DECEMBER 31ST UNLESS REINSTATED BY CITY COUNCIL.

AND IT IS GOING BEFORE COUNCIL ON DECEMBER 7TH.

OKAY. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION.

EITHER THE BOARD STAYS OR THE BOARD GOES AWAY.

YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS SUNSETTING BECAUSE THOSE RUN CONCURRENT WITH THE CITY COUNCIL TERMS OF OFFICE.

LET ME READ IT SO THAT SO THAT THERE'S NO MISUNDERSTANDING OKAY.

PURSUANT TO SECTION 52 296 OF THE CODE, THE IOB SHALL SUNSET ON DECEMBER 31ST, 2023 UNLESS REINSTATED BY CITY COUNCIL. COUNCIL CAN REINSTATE THE BOARD FOR THREE YEAR PERIODS.

AN ORDINANCE HAS BEEN DRAFTED AND IS SCHEDULED THE ITEM ON DECEMBER 7TH.

COUNCIL AGENDA WITH A SUNSET DATE OF NOVEMBER 31ST, 2026.

PLEASE ADVISE THE BOARD ACCORDINGLY.

COUNCIL WILL BE MAKING THAT DECISION ON THE SEVENTH.

IS MY UNDERSTANDING.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ANY AGENDA REQUESTS FOR FUTURE MEETINGS? I HAD ONE, BUT PURSUANT TO THE CITY COUNCIL REINSTATING THE BOARD, I WOULD LIKE AS PART OF THE AGENDA EACH MONTH TO INCLUDE THE IMPACT FEE BALANCES FOR EACH ONE OF THE NEXUSES SO THAT WE HAVE SOME IDEA OF THE FUNDING THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR EACH PART OF THE CITY.

IT'S UP TO THE BOARD.

I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T TRACK IT.

SO OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT. BUT I DON'T SEE THAT BEING AN ISSUE.

IF YOU JUST WANT TO FIND A TALLY OF EACH OF THE ZIP CODES AND WHAT THE FOR THE TRAFFIC.

RIGHT. OKAY, SO THAT'S NOT THE IT'S POSSIBLE THAT YOU CAN HAVE FOR US.

YEAH. THE PROBLEM SOMETIMES IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S CATCHING THE WINDOW BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SHIFTING MONEY AROUND, ALLOCATING MONEY, ESPECIALLY AS WE HAVE THESE GRANT PROJECTS.

AND SO THEY'RE HAVING A HARD TIME, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WINDOWS IS MOST ACCURATE BASED ON HOW YOU START ALLOCATING.

YOU KNOW, I'M SAYING WHEN YOU ALLOCATE FUNDS FOR FUTURE, LET'S SAY, GRANT PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVEN'T USED IT YET, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY COUNCIL ALLOCATED IT.

AND SO SO A LOT OF TIMES THAT THAT BUDGET MONEY HASN'T BEEN SHIFTED YET, BUT IT'S BEEN ALLOCATED.

SO IF YOU START ALLOCATING THE SAME POT OF MONEY NOW, YOU DON'T HAVE THE 100%, YOU GOT 5030 OR WHATEVER.

SO THAT'S I'M I DON'T MIND GIVING YOU THEIR LATEST UPDATE, BUT IT MAY BE I'M SAYING NOT THE MOST UP TO DATE ONE, BUT I HAVE NO PROBLEM IF FINANCE CAN GIVE US A BREAKDOWN, YOU KNOW, PRIOR TO EACH MEETING.

SO WE CAN SHARE WITH YOU GUYS.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. TOM IS WELL AND MAYBE FRANK, I'LL ASK YOU.

WOULD IT? WOULD IT BE, I GUESS, MORE ACCURATE OR EASIER OR BETTER IF WE DID THAT QUARTERLY VERSUS EVERY MEETING? WHAT DO YOU THINK? I'D BE FINE WITH THAT.

I JUST KNOW, LOOKING AT THE IMPACT FEES FOR THE CITY, THAT FOR EACH SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE BUILT, THERE'S OVER $4,000 IN IMPACT FEES THAT GO INTO THOSE FUNDS.

AND I THINK THAT THIS BOARD SHOULD PAY ATTENTION TO WHERE THOSE FUNDS ARE AND WHAT THEY'RE BEING SPENT ON.

NO, ACTUALLY, I THINK IT'S I THINK THE ASK IS GOOD.

AND IF YOU WANT TO MAKE IT QUARTERLY, IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR US.

BUT I DON'T SEE THAT BEING I MEAN, IT'S ALL PUBLIC INFORMATION.

SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT IT, NOT A PROBLEM.

SO ARE WE. WE'RE DOING QUARTERLY OR MONTHLY? YEAH, I'M FINE WITH QUARTERLY.

MONTHLY MAY BE A BIG TASK.

SO BECAUSE IT'S IN YOUR DEPARTMENT'S RIGHT, YOU'D HAVE TO COMMUNICATE WITH FINANCE AND GET THOSE FINANCES ONE WHO'S TRACKING.

AND I KNOW CHRISTINE WORKS CLOSELY WITH THEM, BUT LIKE I SAY, IT'S HARD BECAUSE AS WE ALLOCATE THE FUNDS, WE'RE NOT REALLY SURE.

SO WHAT'S THEY'RE SHOWING ON THEIR SPREADSHEET FOR EACH OF THE ZIP CODES MAY NOT BE EXACTLY WHAT'S THE AVAILABLE FUNDS.

SO THAT'S WHAT MAKES SURE YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND WHEN WE START LOOKING AT OH LOOK, WE GOT 10,000 OR 10 MILLION WHATEVER.

IT MAY BE A LOT OF MONEY, BUT SOME OF THAT COULD HAVE BEEN ALLOCATED ALREADY.

AND YOU GOT TO BE A FRIEND OF MINE. ONCE YOU ALLOCATE IT FOR LIKE A GRANT OR WHATEVER, YOU'VE ALLOCATED IT.

SO YOU DON'T WANT TO DOUBLE DIP IT AGAIN.

THE SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY THAT WE DISCUSSED EARLIER IN THIS MEETING IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT.

WE WERE ABLE TO GET FUNDING FROM FDOT AS AN ALLOCATE AS A PARDON ME, WE WERE ABLE TO RECEIVE FUNDING.

IT REQUIRES A MATCH.

SO WE HAD SET ASIDE THE MATCH WITH THE ANTICIPATION OF HOPEFULLY GETTING THIS FUNDING.

HAD WE NOT RECEIVED THE FUNDING, THEN WE WOULD NO LONGER NEED THE MATCH AT THIS TIME SO THAT MONEY WOULD HAVE GONE BACK IN.

SO THE NUMBERS THAT YOU GET MAY NOT BE MAY BE DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT THIS MONTH THAN THEY MIGHT BE THREE MONTHS FROM NOW BECAUSE OF THOSE TYPES OF

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HOLES THAT WE PUT ON THE FUNDS SO THAT WE DON'T LOSE THE OPPORTUNITY.

AND AND BECAUSE WHEN WE APPLY FOR THESE GRANTS, WE'RE TELLING THE PERSON GIVING US THE FUNDS, WE HAVE THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY TO PUT WITH IT. SO THAT'S A PART OF THE THE GRANT REQUEST AND THE GRANT PRESENTATION.

SO THAT'S WHY THE FUNDING IS NOT ALWAYS WE'RE NOT ALWAYS ABLE TO GIVE YOU AN EXACT AMOUNT BECAUSE THERE'S MONEY SITTING THERE THAT WE'VE KIND OF GOTTEN HELD FOR A SPECIFIC ITEM.

SURE I APPRECIATE, I APPRECIATE YEAH I KNOW THERE'S SOME LAG TIME BETWEEN WHEN THE MONEY'S SPENT AND WHEN IT'S ALLOCATED SO THAT THERE WILL BE A FUN DIFFERENCE THERE.

MY HONESTLY, MY MAIN CONCERN IS WHEN WE GET INTO THE CO-MINGLING OF THE DIFFERENT IMPACT FEES BETWEEN LIKE PARKS AND ROADS AS IT PERTAINS TO THE BRIDGE FOR THE PARK AND HOW THAT NEXUS IS FIGURED OUT, WHAT PERCENTAGE COMES FROM WHICH NEXUS AND WHICH IMPACT FEE FUND, BECAUSE AT SOME POINT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT CO-MINGLING 3732907 AND 32908 FOR THE PARK.

WHICH I KNOW MR. BENTON HAS ISSUES WITH AS WELL, DO I? BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN THREE, TWO, 908 WHERE THE COMPOUND HAPPENS TO BE.

AND I DO WANT TO JUST POINT OUT, FOR EVERYONE'S INFORMATION THAT OUR ATTORNEYS ARE VERY INVOLVED IN, IN OUR TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES AND OUR IMPACT FEES IN GENERAL.

AND THEY UNDERSTAND AND THEY DON'T LET US.

AS YOU SAY CO-MINGLE.

IF IT IS ONLY BENEFITING 32908, THEY WON'T ALLOW US TO USE IT IN ANOTHER NEXUS.

IT'S NOT ALLOWED.

SO IF WE ARE CO-MINGLING IT'S BECAUSE IT'S BENEFITING BOTH NEXUS.

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE IT IN THE NAME OF TRANSPARENCY.

IT SHOULD BE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC AND IT IS OUT IN THE OPEN.

TOM BARRETT AND FRANK.

MAYBE YOU CAN ANSWER THIS AS WELL.

GOING FORWARD AND LOOKING AT FUTURE, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? IT'S IN FLUX BECAUSE TO YOUR POINT, WE COULD PUT MONEY ASIDE, BUT THEN IT DOESN'T GET USED.

IT GETS PUT BACK. IS THERE A WAY TO TAKE A LOOK AT PRIOR TO TO GIVE EXAMPLES.

SO LIKE IF WE TOOK A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME.

SO TO YOUR POINT, HEY, IF WE TOOK A LOOK AT IN 2023 AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE DO THE WHOLE YEAR, BUT LET'S JUST CALL IT 2023, WE HAVE A PRESENTATION THAT SAYS THIS IS HOW THE FUNDS WERE ALLOCATED. THIS IS THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHY WE DECIDED TO USE BOTH ZIP CODES VERSUS AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE WE THOUGHT AND NOPE, THEY SAID NO.

AND HERE'S WHY WE COULDN'T DO IT.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, MAYBE MAYBE IN A FUTURE MEETING.

YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM RIGHT NOW IS, YOU KNOW, THE WE HAVE ALL THIS FEDERAL FUNDS THAT ARE BREAKING LOOSE NOW, YOU KNOW, THE US DOT, YOU KNOW, WITH WITH OUR NEW PRESIDENT HAS BEEN SHIFTING MONEY MORE TOWARDS ROADS.

SO WE HAVE ALL THESE NEW PROJECTS COMING OUT.

THAT FUNDING WAS NOT THERE BEFORE.

AND SO A GOOD EXAMPLE WAS ABOUT A YEAR AGO.

OUR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER WOULD HAVE WANTED TO CALL WHAT'S CALLED A RAISE GRANT.

IT USED TO BE CALLED THE TIGER GRANT.

I FORGOT THE NAME OF IT PRIOR TO THAT.

BUT THAT FUNDING SOURCE WAS WAY BACK WHEN, WHEN OBAMA WAS THERE.

BUT THE ORIGINAL FUNDING SOURCE WAS CALLED TIGER GRANTS, AND THEN IT GOT CHANGED TO RAISE GRANT.

WE ACTUALLY WENT AFTER SHE WE APPLIED, WENT AFTER THE MALABAR ROAD AND TRIED TO GET SOME MONEY FOR THE DESIGN FOR THE MALABAR ROAD THAT WE.

WORKED OUT OUR OWN MONEY, BUT EARLY ON WE TRIED TO GO AFTER SOME OF THAT RAISED MONEY.

WE DIDN'T GET IT, BUT IN THAT PROCESS, LIKE CHRISTINE WAS MENTIONING, FOR US TO GO AFTER THAT MONEY, WE HAVE TO THEN ALLOCATE AND SET ASIDE WHATEVER THAT MATCH WAS, WHATEVER THAT WAS REQUIRED. AND SO WHEN YOU WHEN YOU GO AFTER THE GRANTS, IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN JUST, YOU KNOW, SHIFTING THE MONEY INTO A SEPARATE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T UNTIL YOU KNOW FOR SURE YOU DON'T GET THE GRANT. THAT MONEY HAS TO BE THERE.

BECAUSE IF YOU GET THE GRANT, YOU GOT TO YOU GOT TO DEMONSTRATE YOUR CONTRIBUTION.

AND AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAD THOSE AREAS, YOU KNOW, AND THAT WE DIDN'T GET THE MONEY TO LET YOU KNOW WE WERE NOT SELECTED, BUT WE KNEW WHAT WE WERE DEFICIENT IN.

SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO GO AFTER IT AGAIN AT SOME FUTURE YEARS.

BUT THERE'S ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY WHERE WE PUT ASIDE MONEY AND THEN WE DIDN'T GET THE GRANT.

SO THAT MONEY IS NOW BACK AVAILABLE.

SO THAT MONEY IS BACK IN THE POT.

BUT IT NEVER LEFT THE POT.

SO LIKE WHAT CHRISTINE WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW, SO THE POT WAS STILL FULL.

WE TOOK HALF OF IT MAYBE, BUT THE POT WAS STILL FULL.

AND NOW TODAY, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GET THE GRANT, IT'S STILL FULL.

BUT WHO'S TO SAY WE DON'T ALLOCATE ANOTHER PORTION OF IT? AND BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW AS WE ALLOCATE BECAUSE AS SOME SAY.

SO MAYBE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR AS YOU'RE ASKING IT, MAYBE IN THE NEAR FUTURE WE SHOW YOU SOME OF THESE FUTURE GRANTS THAT WE'RE COMING AFTER AND THEN SHOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY FOR GOING IN THE BUDGETS AND THE ALLOCATIONS.

SO YOU KIND OF SEE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THAT'S ALL OUT THERE.

THOSE THESE LARGE THESE LARGE GRANTS, WE KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE COMING FROM REAL SOON.

BUT THEY'RE NOT A LOT OF THEM.

THEY CALL NOTICE OF OF, OF.

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IT'S CALLED NOTICE OF FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES AND NOFO.

THEY CALL IT OKAY. THAT'S WHEN THAT'S WHEN THEY SAY WE'RE ABOUT READY TO RELEASE THIS FUNDING GRANT.

SO YOU GOT SIX MONTHS TO SUBMIT YOUR APPLICATIONS, AND THEN YOU GET A YEAR UNTIL YOU FIND OUT WHETHER YOU GET IT OR NOT.

BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BIG CHUNKS OF FEDERAL DOLLARS.

SO MAYBE WE COME UP WITH A LIST BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT VARIOUS FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES.

AND FRANK, I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THAT TO BE ABLE TO SEE LIKE THE FUTURE PROJECTS.

BUT WHAT FOR ME, WHAT I LIKE, WHAT TOM BROUGHT UP IS I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE PROCESS THAT'S ALREADY TAKING PLACE AND HOW THE MONEY WAS ALLOCATED AND LIKE WHY THOSE DECISIONS WERE MADE.

BECAUSE LIKE FOR SOMEONE LIKE ME, IT WILL HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS MORE, ESPECIALLY AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LOOKING AT FUTURE OPPORTUNITIES OF THE FUNDING AND EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE GOING AFTER. BECAUSE AT THIS POINT, UNDERSTANDING.

THE IMPACT FEES AND HOW WE'RE MAKING THOSE DECISIONS.

IF WE HAVE ALL THAT INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN DONE ALREADY.

JUST GIVING THOSE EXAMPLES OF HERE ARE THE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE DONE, AND THIS IS THE IMPACT THAT WE CAN DO THAT WE CAN GIVE YOU LIKE A LITTLE HISTORY OF HOW WE JUST GOT THE RECENT ALLOCATIONS FOR THE FOR THE SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY DESIGN, WHICH IS THE 1.5 THAT WAS GIVEN THAT WAS ALLOCATED FROM THE STATE.

SO WE GIVE IT WE GIVE YOU THE BACKGROUND OF THAT ONE.

I CAN LET YOU KNOW WHAT PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE FUNDED OVER THE PAST, WHATEVER PERIOD OF TIME YOU'RE LOOKING FOR USING TIFF FUNDS, OR AT LEAST PARTIAL TIFF FUNDS, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, I CAN TELL YOU PROJECT A WAS FUNDED.

THIS MUCH BY TIFF, THIS MUCH BY GENERAL FUND, THIS MUCH BY GRANT.

HOWEVER IT BREAKS DOWN IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.

I JUST NEED A TIME PERIOD.

HOW FAR BACK DO YOU WANT TO GO? LAST TWO YEARS.

WELL. THE ROAD PROJECT'S BEEN GOING.

WELL, THE PROJECT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH.

NO, SIR. I WOULD SAY PROBABLY TWO YEARS.

BILL. YOUR HISTORIAN.

THE SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT FEES FOR THE SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY SOUTH, NOT THE SAINT JOHN'S PARKWAY NORTH, ALL THE IMPACT FEES IN THE SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY SOUTH FOR ALL THOSE DIFFERENT ZIP CODES.

I THINK IT'S I DON'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS TEN YEARS OR 15 YEARS.

I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE TIME LIMIT IS.

ALL OF THAT FOR BOTH THE CITY AND THE COUNTY, HAD TO BE DEDICATED BACK INTO THE GRANT APPLICATION THAT WE TOOK OUT FOR THE $9 MILLION GRANT.

SO ALL OF THAT IMPACT FEE, ALL THAT GROWTH THAT YOU SEE THERE, ALL OF THAT IMPACT FEE MONEY COMING IN, THAT WAS THE GUARANTEE FOR THE GRANT FUND FOR THE SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY SOUTH.

SO IF YOU'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT HOW THE MONEY WAS SPENT FROM IMPACT FEES, GO BACK TO SOME OF YOUR BIGGER PROJECT RECOMMENDATION.

I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT TO DO.

RECOMMENDATIONS GO BACK AND SEE, BECAUSE EVERYBODY SEES ALL THIS GROWTH AND THEY SAY, WELL, WE'RE GETTING ALL THIS IMPACT FEE.

WHY CAN'T WE BE USING THAT MONEY? IT WAS DEDICATED FOR THE BOND FOR THE SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY.

THANK YOU. GOOD POINT.

I'M FINE. I'M FINE WITH THAT.

IF WE LOOK AT THE LAST TWO YEARS AND THEN ONCE A QUARTER, WE GET JUST KIND OF AN OVERVIEW OF THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEE FUNDS AND WHAT THERE MAYBE SOME UPCOMING DEDICATIONS, WHAT THE MONEY WOULD BE DEDICATED FOR AND A RUNNING FUND BALANCE.

YEAH, I'M GOOD WITH THAT.

YEAH. OKAY. WE DO NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE.

I'M ASSUMING THAT WE DON'T HAVE A MEETING NEXT MONTH.

WELL, IT HAPPENS TO FALL ON A VERY PARTICULAR DAY, RIGHT.

CHRISTMAS. SO I DON'T I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO.

YEAH. SO I'M GOING TO NEED A MOTION FOR THAT.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CANCEL THE DECEMBER 25TH MEETING OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE ADVISORY BOARD.

SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE.

OPPOSED. IT IS PASSED.

SO WE ARE CANCELING THE DECEMBER 25TH MEETING.

SO OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE AT POSSIBLY MAYBE OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE JANUARY 22ND.

THIS MIGHT BE IT. HOPEFULLY THE COUNCIL WILL SEE FIT TO CONTINUE ON WITH THIS BOARD, BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THAT WE ARE IMPACTFUL, AND I KNOW THAT WE ALL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK THERE IF WE WANT OR REACH OUT TO YOUR COUNCIL PERSON BEFOREHAND.

SO HOPEFULLY WE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT OPPORTUNITY AND DO SO.

YEAH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. WELL WE'RE GOING TO CALL THIS MEETING AT 756.

EVERYBODY HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. ALL RIGHT.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.