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THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD REGULAR MEETING OF JANUARY 3RD IS NOW CALLED TO ORDER.MR. WARNER, WOULD YOU LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE? I PLEDGE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
YES, MR. BOEREMA. PRESENT, MR. GOODE. PRESENT, MISS JORDAN.
PRESENT, MR. MCLEOD. PRESENT, MR. OLSZEWSKI. PRESENT.
PRESENT. UH, MR. KARAFFA, WE HAVE NOT HEARD FROM.
AND OUR CHIEF DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY MICHAEL RODRIGUEZ, IS PRESENT.
THANK YOU. DO I HEAR A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES OF THE DECEMBER 6TH MEETING?
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MOTION TO APPROVE THE REGULAR MEETING MINUTES OF DECEMBER 6TH.SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
AYE AYE. ALL OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.
OKAY. JUST A FEW THINGS FOR THE AUDIENCE.
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THERE ARE ANNOUNCEMENTS TO BE MADE.VALKYRIA GAS CONVENIENCE WILL NOT BE HEARD TONIGHT AT THE MEETING.
NOTICES WILL BE SENT FOR THE NEW MEETING DATE.
SO IF YOU WILL, IF YOU'RE HERE FOR THAT CASE, IT WILL NOT BE GOING FORWARD THIS EVENING.
THERE'S ALSO A REQUEST TO CONTINUE SEVERAL CASES TO THE FEBRUARY 7TH PNC MEETING.
WE'LL HANDLE THOSE FIRST BEFORE WE GET INTO THE FIRST CASE.
SO WE WILL START WITH CP 23 00020.
PALM BAY SUITES AND RESIDENCES DRIVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE.
BEFORE WE VOTE ON IT, I'D LIKE TO ASK STAFF A QUESTION.
UH, LISA, UH, DID THE APPLICANTS REQUEST A CONTINUATION ON ALL OF THESE, OR WAS IT STAFFS, OR WAS A COMBINATION OF THE TWO? YES, SIR. IT WAS THIS THE.
FOR EVERY SINGLE ONE? IT WAS THE APPLICANT WHO ASKED FOR A CONTINUANCE.
UH. THANK YOU. I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.
OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR OF CONTINUING CP 23 00020? AYE, AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.
THE NEXT CASE TO BE CONTINUED IS PD 23 00008 PALM BAY SUITES AND RESIDENCES.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE? SO MOVED. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES PD 23 00005 PALM BAY POINT WEST.
SO MOVED. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
SO MOVED. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.
CP 23 00012 PALM BAY POINT WEST.
ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES PD 23 00007 PALM BAY POINT EAST.
ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
MR. OLSZEWSKI, MAY I ASK A BRIEF QUESTION OF STAFF? UM. IS THIS.
SO I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF THIS IS A PATTERN OR WHAT'S UP.
OKAY. WHICH I BELIEVE MAYBE 3 OR 4, I BELIEVE.
UNDERSTOOD ALREADY. STAY FOR THAT.
AND AGAIN, THESE APPLICANTS REQUESTED CERTAINLY CONTINUANCE DUE TO VARIOUS DIFFERENT REASONS.
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SO BUT WE WOULDN'T ANTICIPATE TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE TO FEBRUARY 7TH.WE HAVE, YEAH. WE ALREADY HAVE SCHEDULED LIKE 3 OR 4, BUT WE WON'T ADD ANY MORE THAN THAT.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. BRING OUR PAJAMAS WITH US.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. ALL RIGHT.
UNDER NEW BUSINESS, WE HAVE THE FIRST ITEM IS FD 23 00008 BRAMBLEWOOD TOWNHOMES.
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MISS RAMOS. GOOD EVENING.I'M TONYA RAMOS, PRINCIPAL PLANNER, PRESENTING BRAMBLEWOOD TOWNHOMES HERE.
UH, IS BEING REPRESENTED BY KIMLEY-HORN AND ASSOCIATES AND INNOVATIVE NATIONWIDE BUILDERS.
AND LOCATION IS EAST OF AND ADJACENT TO BRAMBLEWOOD CIRCLE.
SOUTHEAST SOUTH OF BAYSIDE LAKES BOULEVARD SOUTHEAST.
THE FUTURE LAND USE IS CURRENTLY HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND THE ZONING IS PLANNED.
THE SITE IS APPROXIMATELY 20.02 ACRES.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A PROPOSED PUD TO ALLOW FOR 126 UNIT TOWNHOME SUBDIVISION TO BE KNOWN AS BRAMBLEWOOD TOWNHOMES, AND CASE 23 00008 IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL.
UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND, THE SITE WAS PARTIALLY CONSTRUCTED AND LEFT VACANT, AND AROUND 2005 2006, THE PREVIOUS PLAN APPROVED 92 TOWNHOME UNITS AND HAD A DENSITY OF 4.59 UNITS PER ACRE, AND AT THAT TIME THEY WERE PROPOSING 26 FOOT WIDE LOTS, WHICH TYPICALLY HAD, UM, PROPOSED ONE STORY UNITS WITH TWO BEDROOMS PLUS A FLEX SPACE AND A SMALLER LIVING AREA OVERALL THAN WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TODAY.
SO TODAY THEY'RE ASKING TO INCREASE TO 126 UNITS, WHICH WILL INCREASE THE DENSITY TO 6.30 UNITS PER ACRE. AND AS THEY'RE ALREADY IN THE HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, THE SITE COULD ACCOMMODATE UP TO 20 UNITS PER ACRE.
UH, IN ORDER TO FIT THIS IN, THEY'VE, UM, NARROWED THE LOT SIZE DOWN TO ABOUT 20FT WIDE, AND THEY'LL HAVE TWO STORY UNITS WITH THREE BEDROOMS, BUT A LARGER LIVING AREA OVERALL THAN THE ORIGINAL UNITS.
AND IN THE OLD PLANS, THESE WERE THEIR PROPOSED, UM, ONE STORY, FOUR UNIT BUILDINGS.
JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT THERE WERE ALSO SHOWING ONE CAR GARAGES.
AND THEN HERE'S THEIR, UM, SIX PLEX BUILDINGS.
AND JUST POINTING OUT AGAIN THAT THESE WERE ONE STORY AND THEY WERE WIDER UNITS.
AND THEN HERE'S THE PROPOSED FLOOR PLANS THAT THEY HAD AT THAT TIME.
UM, THEY WERE ABOUT 1516FT² OR 1400 SQUARE FEET OF LIVING AREA.
SO FOR COMPARISON WITH WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TODAY.
THANK YOU. UM, TODAY THEY HAVE NARROWER UNITS.
UM, THEY'RE GOING TO BE TWO STORIES TALL, AND THEY'RE GOING TO STILL PROPOSE ONE CAR GARAGES.
AND WITHIN THOSE UNITS, UM, THERE'LL BE TWO STORIES.
SO THEY'LL HAVE ROOM FOR 1758FT² OF LIVING AREA OR, UH, 1673FT² OF LIVING AREA, DEPENDING ON WHICH UNIT.
AND THEN ON THE LAST PICTURE HERE, IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SEE THE ORIGINAL PLAN.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE A NICE COLORIZED PLAN LIKE WE HAVE TODAY, BUT AGAIN, JUST POINTING OUT THAT THEY'RE GOING FROM 92 TOWNHOME UNITS AND A DENSITY OF 4.59 UNITS PER ACRE TO 126 TOWNHOME UNITS, WITH A DENSITY OF 6.30 UNITS PER ACRE. SO THE ROADS AND MOST OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS ALREADY IN PLACE, AND THEY WOULD BE SUBMITTING PLANS AT THE NEXT STEP TO ACCOMMODATE THE INCREASE IN DENSITY IN THE ADDITIONAL UNITS AND STAFF IS AVAILABLE.
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IF THE BOARD HAS ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT SHOULD BE HERE ALSO.THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD IS AN ADVISORY BOARD COMPRISED OF UNPAID VOLUNTEERS.
THE LAND DEVELOPMENT STAFF WILL PRESENT THE STAFF REPORT OF EACH CASE.
BOARD MEMBERS WILL THEN BE ASKED IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
THE FLOOR WILL THEN BE OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
FOR THE RECORD, AS A COURTESY, IF THERE IS A GROUP OF PEOPLE FROM A SIMILAR FROM A NEIGHBORHOOD WHO HAVE SIMILAR COMMENTS, YOU INFORMALLY APPOINT A SPOKESPERSON TO CLARIFY YOUR VIEWS.
AFTER PUBLIC COMMENTS, I WILL BRING THE CASE BACK TO THE BOARD.
AT THIS TIME, THE FLOOR WILL BE CLOSED AND NO FURTHER COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE WILL BE HEARD.
DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, MR. OLSAVSKY? THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
THANK YOU, MISS RAMOS, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
I MUCH APPRECIATE THE COMPARISON FROM THE OLD PLAN AS WELL.
CAN YOU REITERATE FOR ME AND FOR THE SAKE OF THE BOARD, THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE AND ZONING AND THEN WHAT? THE POSSIBLE DENSITIES ARE WITHIN THOSE.
SO THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE IS HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH ALLOWS UP TO 20 UNITS PER ACRE.
AND THE CURRENT ZONING IS PUD.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
THAT'S MY ONLY QUESTION. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I DO, MADAM CHAIR.
YES. UH, THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, DID THE DID THIS CHANGE OWNERSHIP? OR IS IT THIS? IS IT THE SAME? I THINK IT HAS SINCE.
WHEN? WHEN THE PROJECT, UH, KIND OF STOPPED MOVING FORWARD.
THE APPLICANT COULD PROBABLY EXPLAIN THAT BETTER.
ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION AS WELL.
MR.. GOOD. YEAH. I UNDERSTAND WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED AND THE DEVELOPER, THE THE BUILDER OR DEVELOPER GOT WITH THE COMMUNITY, HAD A HAD A MEETING, THEY DISCUSSED IT WHEN THEY MADE THE CHANGES.
OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. WOULD THE APPLICANT PLEASE COME FORWARD? GOOD EVENING, KYLE COSBY.
UH, CIVIL ENGINEER FOR THE PROJECT.
7341 OFFICE PARK PLACE, UH, SUITE 102, MELBOURNE, FLORIDA.
UM, WITH ME, I HAVE JONATHAN BELL WITH EMB HOMES.
HE'S THE DEVELOPER. AND THEN ALEX MURMURING ALSO WITH KIMLEY-HORN.
RAMOS. THANK YOU. YOU DID A GREAT JOB KIND OF PRESENTING THE PROJECT.
I JUST WANT TO GO OVER JUST SOME OF THE POINTS THAT WERE MADE.
UM. CAN YOU BRING MIKE DOWN A LITTLE BIT? SPEAK LOUDER. YEP. THANK YOU.
UM, WE ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN.
WE'RE CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CITY.
UM, WE ARE AMENITIZED BEING ONE OF THE STORMWATER TRACKS TO PUT IN A DOCK.
UM, THEY DIDN'T WANT THE DOG PARK.
THEY JUST WANTED PEDESTRIAN PARK.
UM, WE WERE ALSO WILLING TO CHANGE THE ARCHITECTURAL AND THE SIGNAGE.
UM, THE COMMUNITY CAME BACK AND SAID THAT IT JUST DIDN'T WANT THE DENSITY.
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THEY WERE GOING TO FIGHT THE PROJECT NO MATTER WHAT, SO WE LEFT IT AS THAT.I DO WANT TO SAY THAT, UM, WE HAD THE MANDATORY, UH, CITIZEN PARTICIPATION MEETING THAT THE CITY REQUIRES, AND THEN WE HAD A PHONE CALL DISCUSSION MEETING WITH THE HOA HEADS TO KIND OF DISCUSS THEIR CONCERNS AFTER THE FACT, TO GO THROUGH THE PROJECTS.
UM, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, AND I HAVE MY TEAM HERE READY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU. THIS BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? YES, MADAM CHAIR.
YES, MISTER CLOUD, IN LIGHT OF THE INCREASED NUMBER OF UNITS, WHAT PLANS HAVE BEEN MADE TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE PARKING? YES. SO FOR THAT, WE HAVE THE, UM, WE HAVE THE DRIVEWAYS ARE 16FT THAT WERE PROPOSED AND THERE'S A MINIMUM SOME OF THE DRIVEWAYS ARE LONGER.
AND THEN WE ALSO IN THE REC TRACK WE HAVE NINE SPACES CARVED OUT FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING.
UM, THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS OF THE COMMUNITIES.
THEY WERE WORRIED ABOUT PARKING AND PEOPLE PARKING IN THE MANY AREA.
SO WE CARVED OUT SOME PARKING IN THE REC AREA.
YEAH. NO, NO, NO, I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS.
I HAVE JUST RETURNED FROM SOUTH FLORIDA WHERE MY KIDS LIVE.
MHM. AND THEY LIVE IN A CLOSED COMPLEX AND THEY HAVE ABOUT.
AND IF YOU COME IN AT A CERTAIN TIME, YOU CAN'T FIND A PLACE TO PARK.
YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT FOR A UNIT WITH 126 UNITS, YOU ONLY HAVE NINE EXTRA PARKING SPACES? NO, WE ALSO WE HAVE PARKING THE GARAGE.
AND YOU GOT PARKING IN THE DRIVEWAYS.
WE'RE PROVIDING ADDITIONAL NINE IN THE REC TRACK AND ALSO KEEPING A PARK THERE.
WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT ALL A PARKING LOT FOR PEOPLE.
DO YOU REALIZE THAT KIDS ARE MOVING BACK WITH THEIR PARENTS? IF YOU DRIVE AROUND PALM BAY, EVERY DRIVEWAY HAS FOUR CARS.
WE MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. WELL REQUIRED, DON'T YOU THINK? DON'T YOU THINK FOR THE COMFORT OF THE RESIDENTS WHO OCCUPY THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU NEED MORE THAN NINE ADDITIONAL SPACES? I DON'T THINK SO. WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT? NO. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD, MR. CHAYEFSKY? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.
UM, THERE WAS A LETTER SUBMITTED.
UM, AND IT REPRESENTED THE IDEA THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBERS DIDN'T CRUNCH AT 92.
OF COURSE, I WOULDN'T ASK YOU WHAT THAT MATHEMATICAL DIFFERENCE IS, BUT THE QUESTION I HAVE IS THE LETTER WENT ON TO PONTIFICATE THAT IT WAS REPRESENTED THAT 92ND MAY BE SUSTAINABLE WITH A VOUCHER OR WHATEVER, AND THE TERM AFFORDABLE HOUSING WAS USED.
AND I WOULD JUST LIKE FURTHER CLARIFICATION OF ONE IF THAT PROCESS WAS EVER PURSUED.
AND TWO, IF IT WASN'T, WHY WAS THAT TERM MENTIONED? BECAUSE I, I JUST WANT TO KNOW THAT.
YEAH, I CAN'T SPEAK ABOUT THAT HERE, BUT I DO HAVE JONATHAN I APPRECIATE THAT.
I CAN SPEAK TO THAT. THANK YOU.
UH, THANKS FOR HAVING ME, GUYS.
UM, CAN EVERYONE HEAR ME? OKAY. I NEED TO SPEAK LOUDER.
SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS PROPERTY, THERE WERE THREE OPTIONS THAT WE REALLY HAD WITH IT BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY GOT A LAND USE, CURRENT LAND USE, AND A FUTURE LAND USE OF 20 UNITS PER ACRE.
AND IT'S A LITTLE OVER 20 ACRES.
WE COULD BUILD UP TO 400 APARTMENTS ON THE PROPERTY.
AND THEN WE LOOKED AT IT AS, OKAY, CAN WE MAKE THESE 92 UNITS WORK? BECAUSE THAT WAS THE EASY WAY FOR US.
YOU KNOW, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS.
AND SO WHEN WE RAN THE NUMBERS AT 92 UNITS, WE'VE DONE SOME LOW INCOME HOUSING PROJECTS, SOME 4% TAX CREDIT DEALS, SOME 9% BOND DEALS. AND SO WE WE DID THE UNDERWRITING THAT WAY AS WELL.
IT WASN'T GREAT, BUT IT DID WORK FINANCIALLY, UH, FOR LOW INCOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND WE JUST DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THAT WAS THE BEST USE OF THIS PROPERTY IN THIS LOCATION.
AND THIS IS A REALLY NICE COMMUNITY.
AND SO THE THE THIRD OPTION WE HAD WAS TO INCREASE THE TOWNHOMES TO 126 UNITS AND MAKE THEM LUXURY TOWNHOMES FOR SALE PRODUCT WITH ITS OWN HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
AND WE FELT LIKE THAT WAS THE BEST FIT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE KIND OF LANDED.
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AS FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE.AND NOW WE LIVE IN A WHOLE DIFFERENT WORLD.
YOU KNOW, NEARLY 20 YEARS LATER WITH THAT, REAL ESTATE SEEMS TO BE QUITE EXPENSIVE.
SO MY JUST SURFACE LEVEL THOUGHT, AND WHAT I WANT TO FURTHER UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC BEHIND IS WHY CAN'T WE HAVE 92 LUXURY TOWNHOMES THAT YOU FETCH A HIGH DOLLAR FOR, FROM A HIGH DOLLAR CLIENTELE THAT MAYBE, HOPEFULLY DOESN'T HAVE THEIR KIDS MOVING IN WITH THEM AND IS IS REALLY EASY, MAYBE WANTS TO LIVE NEAR A POTENTIALLY A GOLF COURSE ONE DAY.
UM, THINGS OF THE SORT, BUT NEEDS, YOU KNOW, LOW OVERHEAD THINGS OF THIS SORT.
YOU CAN'T FETCH A DOLLAR FOR A LUXURY TOWNHOME NOWADAYS.
NO, WE WOULD LOSE ABOUT $2 MILLION TRYING TO DO THAT.
THOSE THOSE WERE PUT INTO THE SPREADSHEET.
WE TRIED EVERY WHICH WAY TO GET 92 UNITS TO WORK BECAUSE THAT WAS EASY FOR US.
IT WAS ALREADY APPROVED. RIGHT.
THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN SIMPLE, BUT WE JUST COULDN'T GET IT TO WORK.
I APPRECIATE YOU THAT EXPLAIN EXPLAINING THAT TO ME.
UM, MY COMMUNITY, THIS THIS IS MY CITY.
WE NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING BECAUSE WE HAVE FOLKS THAT THAT NEED A PLACE TO LIVE.
AND, UH, TIMES ARE TOUGH NOWADAYS, SO WE ALL KNOW THAT YOU WEREN'T GOING TO DO THAT IN THIS AREA.
SO WE JUST DON'T NEED TO TOSS THE TERM AROUND, UM, UNNECESSARILY AND IN AN INFLAMMATORY WAY.
I JUST DON'T FIND IT APPROPRIATE.
AND I WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU AND YOUR ASSOCIATES.
NO, I APPRECIATE THAT. THERE WASN'T ANY INTENTION THERE.
SO I'M A HUGE SUPPORTER OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
WE JUST WE PRESENTED IT TO SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE RESIDENTS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT, HEY, THIS IS AN OPTION THAT WE COULD DO AND MAKE IT WORK, BUT THAT'S A MISREPRESENTATION NOT TO INTERRUPT YOU.
AND THEY THEY WERE LIKE, NO, WE DON'T YOU KNOW, THEY THEY HAVE THEIR OWN THOUGHTS THERE.
SO. RIGHT. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT.
ALL RIGHT. WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND. I APPRECIATE YOUR EXPANSIONS, I REALLY DO.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS.
UM, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD, SIR? I DO NOT.
THANK YOU. UM, I WELL, ONE THING REAL QUICK IS WE HAD TO SUBMIT THE ARCHITECTURAL, UH, SIGNAGE, LANDSCAPING PLAN, EVERYTHING TO THE COMMERCIAL HOA, THE BAYSIDE LAKES COMMERCIAL HOA, AND ALL OF THAT WAS APPROVED.
AND THEN, UM, SOME OF THE RESIDENTS, THE NEARBY RESIDENTS ASKED US TO CHANGE THE ELEVATIONS, CHANGE THE ROOF PITCHES, MAKE SOME CHANGES OUT THERE, CHANGE THE ENTRANCE SIGNAGE.
WE WENT THROUGH AND MADE ALL THOSE CHANGES AND RESUBMITTED AGAIN TO THE BAYSIDE LAKES COMMERCIAL HOA, WHICH IS THE MASTER HOA KIND OF OF ALL THE RESIDENTIAL HOA'S, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND.
AND WE RECEIVED APPROVAL AGAIN FOR FOR THOSE PLANS AS WELL.
FOR THE RECORD, THERE ARE FIVE LETTERS IN THE FILE ON THIS CASE.
THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
FIRST, IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST? OKAY. SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
BAYSIDE LAKES COMMUNITY PRESENTATION.
ZINA. THEY'VE GOT A POWERPOINT, I BELIEVE.
OKAY. WHERE'S THE CLICKER? THE CHANGE. THANK YOU.
OKAY. THREE MINUTES FOR EACH PRESENTATION.
GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MARIO ZENA.
I LIVE IN 1934 THORNWOOD DRIVE, SOUTHEAST PALM BAY AND MAGNOLIA PARK SUBDIVISION.
I'VE BEEN LIVING IN PALM BAY FOR 33 YEARS AND VERY PROUD TO SAY SO.
WE, THE RESIDENTS OF BAYSIDE LAKES AND OVER AT 16 COMMUNITIES, ARE HERE TONIGHT TO VOICE OUR CONCERNS AND OBJECTIONS TO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, HEREBY CALLED BRAMBLEWOOD TOWNHOMES ON A PROPERTY LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF BRAMBLEWOOD CIRCLE AND BAYSIDE LAKES BOULEVARD.
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THESE COMPONENTS ARE INDICATED.YEAH. CITY CODE 1850005 IS BASED ON AND CONSISTENT WITH, RELATED AND TO ADOPTED TO EFFECTUATE AND IMPLEMENT THE POLICIES OF THE CITY.
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN ORDER TO PROTECT, PRESERVE AND IMPROVE THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, ORDER, APPEARANCE AND CONVENIENCE AND WELFARE OF THE INHABITANTS OF THIS CITY, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO.
LIMITING CONGESTION IN THE STREETS.
SECURING SAFETY FROM CRIME, FIRE AND OTHER DANGERS.
PREVENTING THE OVERCROWDING OF LAND.
PRESERVING THE CHARACTER AND STABILITY OF RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL AND OTHER AREAS.
FACILITATING ADEQUATE PROVISIONS FOR TRANSPORTATION, WATER SUPPLY, SEWERAGE.
DRAINAGE. SANITATION, RECREATION.
OUR SCHOOLS, HOUSING AND OTHER SERVICES.
CONSERVING AND ENHANCING THE STANDARD OF LIVING WITHIN OUR CITY.
THE QUESTION I'M SURE A LOT OF US HAVE, IF WE'D LIKE TO KNOW, IS WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL AND PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD THAT HAS DONE, OR IN A PROCESS OF PREPARATION TO ADD TO OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IN DEALING WITH TRAFFIC SAFETY.
NOT ONLY ARE WE CONCERNED ABOUT BRAMBLEWOOD TOWNHOMES, BUT WITH BAYSIDE LANDINGS AND UNFORTUNATELY POSSIBLE POTENTIAL ADDITIONAL HOMES ON OUR MAJOR'S GOLF COURSE, WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE ACTION PLAN IS.
THE BUDGET CONCERNS DESIGNS BEFORE CONSIDERING AND APPROVING THESE NEW DEVELOPMENTS.
GROWTH IS IMMINENT, BENEFICIAL FOR OUR CITY WITH INCREASED TAX REVENUE AND BUSINESSES, BUT HAVING A DEVELOPMENTAL PLAN PRIOR TO APPROVAL AND BEING FULLY PREPARED, I BELIEVE IS CRITICAL FOR SUCCESSFUL AND CONTROLLED GROWTH WITHOUT CHAOS FOR PEOPLE LIVING IN THE BAYSIDE LAKES COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU. MR. MULLINS. YES. GOOD EVENING.
I LIVE AT 406 BRECKINRIDGE CIRCLE, SOUTHEAST IN THE AREA THAT WE ARE REFERENCING HERE.
THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPER PLANNED A GOLF COURSE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY CALLED BAYSIDE LAKES THAT MET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO PROTECT, PRESERVE, AND IMPROVE PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY AND AN ORDER OF THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY.
185 .005 THE INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF TOWNHOMES OVER THE ORIGINAL ZONED 92 TOWNHOMES TO 126 TOWNHOMES WILL REPRESENT A 35% INCREASE OVER WHAT THE PARCEL WAS ORIGINALLY ZONED FOR, AND WILL LEAD TO MORE RESIDENTS AND MORE VEHICLES ON OUR STREETS, CREATING CONGESTION AND POTENTIAL SAFETY ISSUES FOR BOTH DRIVERS AND PEDESTRIANS.
AS THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT OF OUR COMMUNITY.
RILEY. ONLY DIRECT EAST WEST ROADS AVAILABLE FOR TRAFFIC DISPERSION.
EXPANSION OF ADDITIONAL LANES WERE FEASIBLE A FEW YEARS BACK.
THERE WAS A TRAGIC ACCIDENT AND WE LOST A CHILD NEAR THE BAYSIDE LAKES BOULEVARD AND EL GRANDE BOULEVARD TO THE INCREASED TRAFFIC. THERE IS ONLY ONE ENTRANCE EXIT FOR APPROXIMATELY 375 HOMES IN BAYSIDE LAKES COMMUNITIES OF BRAMBLEWOOD CIRCLE.
WE MUST KEEP THE ORIGINAL DESIGN THAT ALLOWED FOR ONLY 96 TOWNHOMES.
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DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WILL ADD 86 TOWNHOMES AND 35 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.OUR AREA IS ALREADY UNDER SIGNIFICANT STRESS LEVELS AS IT RELATES TO CONGESTION AND SAFETY.
HOWEVER, OUR CRUCIAL OUR CRUCIAL RESOURCES HAVE MORE OR LESS REMAINED THE SAME SPECIFICALLY AS IT RELATES TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, POLICE AND MEDICAL RESOURCES IN PALM BAY AND SOUTH BREVARD.
THE WORRY OVER CRIME IS UP FOLLOWING THE RECENT DEADLY CARJACKING SHOOTING AT THE 7-ELEVEN BAYSIDE LAKES, RIGHT AT THE INTERSECTION OF BAYSIDE LAKES BOULEVARD.
CAN YOU WRAP IT UP, MR. MULLINS? SURE. THANK YOU.
CONTROLLED GROWTH SHOULD BE THE GOAL OF CITY MANAGEMENT.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MCGEE. THIS NEXT.
JOHN MAGEE. 1991 THORNWOOD DRIVE, BAYSIDE LAKES.
MAGNOLIA PARK, DIRECTLY ACROSS THE ROAD RAMBLEWOOD CIRCLE FROM THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, INCREASING THE NUMBER OF TOWNHOMES BY MORE THAN ONE THIRD FROM WHAT THE LAND WAS ORIGINALLY ZONED FOR, WILL RESULT IN OVERCROWDING AND PLACED UNDUE STRESS ON COMMUNITY RESOURCES.
PUBLIC SPACES INCLUDING THE COMMUNITY POOL, THE PARKING, THE CLUBHOUSE AND THE REST OF THE FACILITIES THAT ARE USED BY 16 HOA'S IN BAYSIDE LAKES.
UH, MY FAMILY EVEN HAD THANKSGIVING DINNER THERE.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE BUILDERS PRESENTATION, WHAT THEY DIDN'T GO INTO WAS THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOP OF THE SLIDE, UH, THAT'S BAYSIDE LAKES BOULEVARD.
IF YOU LOOK TO THE LEFT, THAT IS BRAMBLEWOOD CIRCLE COMING UP AND INTO BAYSIDE LAKES, A COMMUNITY INSIDE THE GATES OF FOUR DISTINCT HOA'S THAT HAVE APPROXIMATELY 375 TOTAL HOMES.
NOW, IF YOU WANT TO ADD ANOTHER 126 UNITS, THAT'S 19 BUILDINGS, UH, 126 TOWNHOMES, ALL OF THEM EXIT OUT ONTO BRAMBLEWOOD CIRCLE AS WELL.
SO NOW WE HAVE A MAJOR TRAFFIC ISSUE, AS WELL AS CARS COMING IN AND OUT OF THAT ENTRANCE, WHICH YOU SEE ON THE LEFT, WHICH IS ABOUT HALFWAY, UM, THERE'S VERY LITTLE GREEN SPACE DESIGNATED FOR THIS COMMUNITY AT ALL.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SLIDE BEHIND THAT IS THE CLUBHOUSE, THE PARKING LOT, THE TENNIS COURTS, THE, UM, PLAYGROUND FOR CHILDREN, THE STORAGE AREA FOR RVS, TRUCKS, BOATS AND EVERYTHING.
AND THAT IS ACCESSIBLE TO ALL 16 HOMES IN BAYSIDE.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF ACTIVITY THAT GOES ON IN THERE.
UM, IT'S TOO BAD THEY DIDN'T STICK WITH THE ORIGINAL DESIGN AND THE DENSITY OF HOUSING, BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AROUND THE CORNER, WHICH ONE OF MY, UH, ALLIES WILL, UH, UM, FOCUS ON IN THE NEXT SECTION, UH, THE ORIGINAL DESIGN WAS VERY COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT'S ON ON COGAN IN AN AREA CALLED UM, UM, UH, FAIRWAY LANDINGS AND FAIRWAY ISLES FAIRWAY CROSSINGS.
UM, THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT CRAMMING THIS MANY UNITS INTO AN AREA THAT'S ALREADY OVERCROWDED AND HAS A HIGH VOLUME OF TRAFFIC IN AND OUT FOR MANY, MANY DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES.
I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE BUILDER CAN'T MAKE A PROFIT AT 92 UNITS.
WE'RE THE ONES THAT HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS.
WE'RE THE ONES THAT HAVE TO DRIVE BY IT.
OUR CHILDREN HAVE TO WALK UP AND DOWN THE SIDEWALKS.
AND THIS LEVEL OF HOUSING, PLUGGING THAT MANY MORE UNITS INTO THIS AREA IS AN ABSOLUTE NO GO FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE, AND I THANK YOU AND HOPE YOU WILL TAKE THAT UNDER CONSIDERATION.
UH, NEXT IS MR. GARY HALFHIDE.
UH, GARY HALFHIDE, 1966 THORNWOOD DRIVE.
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UM, BAYSIDE LAKES, MAGNOLIA PARK, JUST LIKE NEXT TO JOHN.UM, THANK YOU FOR HEARING US OUT.
THE BRAMBLEWOOD TOWNHOME, UM, PROJECT DOES NOT ALIGN WITH THE REST OF THE COMMUNITIES.
UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE STYLISTIC DIFFERENCES AND, UH, OBVIOUS AND CREATES VISUAL DISCORD AND DISRUPTS THE COHESIVE AND APPEALING APPEARANCE OF THAT COMMUNITY THAT WE WORK HARD TO CULTIVATE. AS A REALTOR MYSELF, I CAN TELL YOU THAT PUTTING UP TOWNHOMES IN THAT SINGLE FAMILY HOME COMMUNITY OF 375 WILL EVENTUALLY DRIVE THE PROPERTY VALUES DOWN.
I UNDERSTAND WE CAN'T CONTROL THAT, SO THAT'S FINE.
UM, ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS FOR THOSE FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA.
AS JOHN MENTIONED, BRAMBLE WILL.
CIRCLE OF BAYSIDE LAKES HAS ONE ENTRANCE IN AND OUT.
THERE'S NO OTHER ACCESS TO BUILD 126 TOWNHOMES, WHICH WILL.
LIES THE SAME ACCESS ROAD IS SIMPLY BAD PLANNING DUE TO CONGESTION THAT IT WILL CAUSE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW YOU TURN OFF A BAYSIDE LAKES BOULEVARD, YOU TURN DOWN BRAMBLEWOOD.
THERE ARE FOUR COMMUNITIES BEHIND THE GATES.
THEIR PROPERTY IN QUESTION IS RIGHT THERE.
UH, SO BASICALLY WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT ON THE WAY OUT AND ON THE WAY IN, IF YOU GET TO THE BAYSIDE BOULEVARD, YOU KNOW, TO TURN LEFT, THERE'S ROOM FOR FOUR CARS AND A TURNING LANE, AND THEN IT BOTTLENECKS.
SO WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN THEY'RE ALL COMING OUT OF THERE? WE'RE COMING OUT OF OUR COMMUNITY TRYING TO GET TO THE MAIN ROAD.
WE CAN'T EVEN GET TO THE MAIN ROAD.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS. QUESTION WAS ORIGINALLY ZONED IN 22,006 TO ALLOW 92,000 HOMES TO BE BUILT.
THE LAND HAS NOT GROWN IN MORE ACREAGE.
IT'S UNREASONABLE TO ASK FOR AN INCREASE OF 3,536% CAPACITY, GOING FROM 92 TO 126.
UM, AND THEY LISTEN TO WHAT WE HAD TO SAY.
126 WHY SHOULD THE CITIZENS OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS, YOU KNOW, TAKE THAT PRECEDENCE OVER US TAXPAYING CITIZENS OF THE NEIGHBOR WHO HAVE BEEN LIVING THERE FOREVER.
I UNDERSTAND IT MAY NOT BE PROFITABLE FOR YOU, BUT MY COMMUNITY.
JOHN'S BEEN THERE TO 2004 AND MOST OF US HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME.
SO I UNDERSTAND IT DOESN'T MAKE FINANCIAL SENSE, BUT THAT SHOULD NOT BE OUR CONCERN.
SO I'M ASKING YOU, WE CAN'T STOP IT AND YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AS A WHOLE.
YOU JUST APPROVED, UH, WHAT WAS IT? THE ONE OFF OF COGAN AND AND OSMOSIS, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER 35 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, 88 TOWNHOMES ARE ALSO COMING THERE.
THAT'S LESS THAN A HALF A MILE AS THE CROW FLIES FROM WHERE WE LIVE.
SO HOW IS ALL THIS GOING TO INTERSECT ON THE CORNER OF COGAN AND BAYSIDE LAKES BOULEVARD? IT'S GOING TO BE A NIGHTMARE BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S COMING THAT WAY.
UM, SO I DON'T WANT YOU TO JUST LOOK AT THEIR REQUESTS.
I WANT YOU TO COMBINE EVERYTHING IN TOTALITY AND UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
YOU KNOW, THE GROWTH. I UNDERSTAND WHERE ARE THESE PEOPLE GOING TO WORK THAT ARE COMING HERE? BECAUSE AN INFRASTRUCTURE I UNDERSTAND.
WE ALSO THREE FIRE STATIONS BEHIND IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT OF RESIDENTS.
WE'RE ABOUT 50 POLICE OFFICERS SHORT.
THEY'RE CAVING IN. THERE'S SEWAGE SEEPING IN INTO THE ROADS WITH THE RAINFALL.
BUT SO AGAIN, I CAN'T STOP 92 BECAUSE IT IS ZONED FOR THAT.
BUT THERE'S NO REASON IT SHOULD BE 35% INCREASE.
WE'VE HEARD CONCERNS FROM REPRESENTATIVES OF THE COMMUNITY OF ANYONE.
ASK HAS ANY FURTHER COMMENTS THAT ARE DIFFERENT FROM THESE? THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK? SIR.
YOU CAN FILL IT OUT AND BRING IT UP.
THANK YOU. JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
ROY NYQUIST. I'M AT 211 DEVLIN COURT, SOUTHEAST IN MAGNOLIA PARK AND BAYSIDE LAKES.
I'VE BEEN THERE ABOUT EIGHT YEARS.
UH, WE PURCHASED. CAN YOU HEAR ME IN THE BACK? UM, I MY ONLY CONCERN IS, IS THAT I LISTENED OR READ THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING, AND I SAW SOME OF THE THE DOCUMENTATION ABOUT THE TRAFFIC PATTERN AND THE SCHOOLS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH, THAT SCHOOLS WAS NOT LOOKING TOO GOOD.
UM, BUT MY QUESTION IS, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT SOMEBODY ASKED WAS, WHAT IS THE AVERAGE COST PRICE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PUT THESE OUT? AND I HEARD THE RESPONSE WAS THEY DIDN'T KNOW.
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ARE WE TALKING MOST OF AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT MOST OF THE MOST OF THE HOUSES IN BAYSIDE LAKES IS PROBABLY MINIMUM OF 300,000.SO I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAVE THEY MENTIONED ANYTHING ABOUT PRICE POINT AS FAR AS WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO SELL THOSE UNITS FOR? THAT'S THAT'S MY CONCERN.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN ANSWER THAT NOW, BUT I'D BE INTERESTED.
THANK YOU. YOU CAN BRING IT BACK.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER TO ADD, SIR? OVER HERE ON THE BLUE SHIRT.
GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS PAUL GALBRAITH, 1286 LONDON AVENUE, NORTHWEST PALM BAY.
I JUST HAVE A QUICK COMMENT ABOUT THE SCHOOL CAPACITY.
AND IT SAYS YOU'LL NEED THE EXTRA SCHOOLS.
YOU'LL NEED TO GO TO COLUMBIA SUNRISE.
THOSE ARE JUST THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS YOU WOULD NEED TO KIND OF OVERFLOW.
SO IF YOU'RE IN BAYSIDE, YOU'RE GOING TO KIND OF GO SOUTH TO OVERFLOW.
BUT WE HAVE OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE SOUTH AND SUNRISE THAT DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH FOR THEIR PHASES.
PHASE TWO, THREE, FOUR I THINK IT'S WATERSTONE.
THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PROJECTED AREA FOR THE SCHOOL, SO THEY OVERFLOW NORTH INTO THESE SCHOOLS.
SO WITH ALL, ALL THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS, WE DON'T HAVE ROOM FOR OUR, OUR SCHOOLS AND OUR STUDENTS IN THESE SCHOOLS BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO OVERFLOW, WE'RE GOING TO OVERFLOW SOUTH AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO OVERFLOW NORTH ALL IN COMPETING PROJECTS.
SO THAT WAS JUST ONE OF THE THINGS I HAVEN'T HEARD.
AND WE'RE USING THE SAME OVERLAPPING SCHOOLS.
YOU CAN'T OVERLAP THREE TIMES AND SAY YOU HAVE THE CORRECT NUMBER.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE, SIR? IN THE FAR BACK.
JUST PUT IT IN THE. IN THE BASKET THERE.
I LIVE AT 3989 FOGGY MIST ROAD, PALM BAY, FLORIDA.
I'M NOT IN THE BAYSIDE AREA, BUT THAT'S WHERE I SHOP.
SO EVEN THOUGH WE'RE SOUTH OF THAT, WE'RE A LITTLE CONCERNED.
AND THE ONE THING THAT REALLY CONCERNS ME, WHAT I SAW TODAY, AND I CHALLENGE ANYBODY HERE TO TELL ME IF TWO PEOPLE LIVE IN A CONDO OR A TOWNHOME, HOW MANY CARS YOU GOT? THE DESIGN SHOWS ONE CAR GARAGE.
FOR 136 UNITS, WITH NINE OVERFLOW SPOTS SHOWING THAT THEY HAVE A COMMUNITY CENTER AND OTHER PARKING ACROSS THE WAY.
THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO GO.
YOU GUYS ALLOW THEM TO PARK IN THE STREET.
I MEAN, IN OUR IN OUR HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, WE HAVE TWO CAR GARAGE, TWO CAR DRIVEWAY.
WE HAVE 25 CARS PARKED IN THE STREET.
DO THE MATH. WHEN YOU ONLY HAVE A ONE CAR GARAGE.
IF ANYBODY ON THE BOARD HERE ONLY HAS ONE CAR IN THEIR DRIVEWAY.
AND WHEN YOU SAY KIDS MOVING BACK HOME, THEY'RE NOT BRINGING THEIR BICYCLES, THEY'RE BRINGING THEIR CARS AND YOU'RE NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT HOLIDAYS, CHRISTMAS, NEW YEAR'S.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A COMPLEX WITH 136 AND ONLY ONE CAR.
GARAGES. YOU GOT TO DO THE ODDS ON THAT.
I GUARANTEE YOU, 80% OF THOSE CONDOS HAVE TWO CARS OR MORE.
NOT TO MENTION, ISN'T BAYSIDE LAKES AN AREA WHERE YOU CAN DRIVE GOLF CARTS AROUND? I DIDN'T SEE A GOLF CART GARAGE ON A SINGLE ONE OF THOSE.
WHERE DO YOU PUT THOSE? I'M JUST THINKING WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT, LOGIC SAYS YOU GOT A HUGE PROBLEM GOING IN.
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IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE IF YOU THINK IT'S LOGICAL THAT ALL 136 ARE ONLY GOING TO HAVE ONE CAR AND NO GOLF CART.ANY FURTHER COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE? MA'AM.
UM, ANN DAVIS, I LIVE AT ONE, TWO, THREE RIDGEMONT CIRCLE.
DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? NO, I WAS JUST COMMON COURTESY.
GO AHEAD. UM, WELL, I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF MULTIFAMILY BEING BUILT ON THAT PROPERTY.
I DO RECOGNIZE THAT IT WAS ZONED THAT WAY.
UM, GIVEN THAT I DO HAVE SOME MAJOR CONCERNS, AND I THINK MOST OF THEM HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED.
BUT SINCE I TOOK THE TIME TO WRITE THIS, I THOUGHT I'D GO AHEAD AND SPEAK.
UM, INCREASING THE DENSITY OF THE PROJECT GREATER THAN 35% IS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT INCREASE.
UH, REDUCING THE LOT SIZE DOWN MAKES THEM MAYBE MORE AFFORDABLE FOR PEOPLE, BUT I DON'T KNOW NECESSARILY IF THAT'S IN LINE WITH THE BAYSIDE LAKES AREA AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WITH BAYSIDE LAKES, UM, ESPECIALLY IF WE LOSE OUR GOLF COURSE.
I MEAN, I JUST THINK OUR PROPERTY VALUES ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO GO DOWN PARKING.
OBVIOUSLY, OUR BOARD MEMBER EVEN SAID IT IS A BIG, HUGE PROBLEM.
UNFORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, THESE TOWNHOMES ARE EVEN BIGGER AT 1500 PLUS SQUARE FEET.
I MEAN, IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BRING FAMILIES, WHICH IS GOING TO BE 2 TO 3 CARS AT A MINIMUM.
UM, WE OBVIOUSLY ARE CONCERNED IT'S ONLY HUMAN NATURE.
WHEN YOU HAVE COMPANY, THEY HAVE TO PARK SOMEWHERE.
THEY'RE GOING TO GO OVER TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND USE THAT PARKING LOT.
I MEAN, THERE'S JUST NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.
THERE'S NOWHERE ELSE FOR THEM TO PARK.
THE STREETS ARE GOING TO BE TOO NARROW TO PARK.
THEY CERTAINLY CAN'T PARK ON BRAMBLEWOOD CIRCLE.
THAT'S THE IN AND OUT OF THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.
SO THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
I DID READ AND NOTICE THE, UM, THE TRAFFIC STUDY DONE BY KIMLEY-HORN, WHICH I BELIEVE IS THE DEVELOPER'S, UM, COMPANY. I WONDERED IF WE DID ANYTHING INDEPENDENT.
THAT'S JUST A QUESTION, BECAUSE WHILE BAYSIDE LAKES BOULEVARD AND BRAMBLE WOODS CIRCLE MAY NOT BE A PROBLEM, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THE GENTLEMAN THERE. IT IS A ONE LANE IN AND ONE LANE OUT.
SO YOU PUT A BIG, HUGE DEVELOPMENT ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE ROAD.
KIDS ARE GOING TO BE GOING TO SCHOOL.
I MEAN, I'VE SEEN IT NOW BEFORE.
THEY'RE EVEN IN THERE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE TURN LANES IN AND OUT OF THE NEW DEVELOPMENT ON BRAMBLEWOOD NEED TO BE WIDENED, BUT I WOULD HATE TO SEE TRAFFIC BACKED OUT ONTO BAYSIDE LAKES BOULEVARD BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE COMING HOME FROM SCHOOL AND AND THEY GET IN THE NARROW LEFT HAND TURN LANE TO GO INTO THE NEW DEVELOPMENT, AND IT BACKS TRAFFIC OUT INTO THE HIGHWAY. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY HAS DONE ANYTHING INDEPENDENT TO LOOK AT THE BRAMBLEWOOD CIRCLE SPECIFICALLY THAT THAT PIECE OF THE ROAD. UM, I GUESS IN CLOSING, UH, ONE OF OUR GENTLEMAN'S TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT 185 005 IS VERY, VERY CLEAR.
AND I'VE SPOKEN BEFORE, AND MANY OF US HAVE TO THE COUNCIL'S REGARDING OUR QUALITY OF LIFE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, CRAMMING MORE AND MORE OVERCROWDED HOUSES INTO AN AREA, UH, WHILE IT'S GOOD FOR GROWTH AND GOOD FOR TAXES, IT'S NOT REALLY THAT GREAT FOR THOSE WHO CAME IN FIRST AND DECIDED TO MAKE THIS OUR HOMESTEAD.
SO, UM, I JUST GUESS I ASK YOU ALL TO TRULY HAVE A STRATEGIC GOAL IN MIND.
EACH OF THESE PROJECTS COME UP IN A SILO, AND EACH ONE, INDEPENDENTLY AND INDIVIDUALLY, MAY OR MAY NOT AFFECT TRAFFIC, WATER, POLICE, FIRE.
ALL. OKAY, UM, JUST PLEASE HAVE A STRATEGIC VISION.
LOOK AT THEM ALL AS ONE CONGLOMERATION, NOT INDEPENDENT.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS, SIR? IN THE BACK.
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GOOD EVENING.I LIVE AT 163 RIDGEMONT CIRCLE, SOUTHEAST IN THE MAGNOLIA PARK SUBDIVISION.
AND I, AND I THINK THAT MANY OF THOSE COULD BE ADDRESSED BY HAVING AN ENTRANCE TO THIS NEW COMMUNITY THAT'S OFF OF BAYSIDE LAKES BOULEVARD VERSUS BRAND BRAMBLEWOOD CIRCLE.
AND I KNOW THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS ABOUT HAVING TWO ENTRANCES OFF THAT IN A CLOSE PROXIMITY TO EACH OTHER, BUT IF THERE'S A RESTRICTION AGAINST THAT THAT PREVENTS THAT FROM HAPPENING, I THINK A WAIVER OUGHT TO BE CONSIDERED BECAUSE THAT WOULD MAKE IT A WHOLE LOT BETTER THAN JUST ADDING ALL THAT CONGESTION TO BRAMBLEWOOD CIRCLE.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS, MA'AM? THE RED. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JANINE NOLAN.
I'M AT 329 BRECKENRIDGE IN THE BROOKSIDE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO IN ADDITION TO THE, UM, COMMENTS, UM, SCHOOL'S CAPACITY IS A CONCERN.
SO YOU HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AS WELL, BEING ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE THINGS.
THEY'VE TRIED TO PICK UP, UM, ON, UM, BAYSIDE LAKES BOULEVARD AS WELL.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF SAFETY CONCERNS AROUND THE CHILDREN.
FAMILIES IN THE COMMUNITY ARE WONDERFUL.
AND I WAS ALSO GOING TO ASK ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY FOR AN ADDITIONAL ENTRANCE.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? BACK IN THE BACK.
BUT. THANK YOU FOR THE TIME TO TAKE TO LISTEN TO THIS.
I'M FROM 733 MORNING COVE CIRCLE SOUTHEAST.
NOT IN THAT AREA, BUT I WAS JUST READING SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT WAS GIVEN HERE.
IT SAID THE SCHOOL CAPACITY AVAILABILITY DETERMINATION LETTER STATES THAT WEST SIDE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, SOUTHEAST MIDDLE SCHOOL, AND BAYSIDE HIGH SCHOOL DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH PROJECTED CAPACITY FOR THE TOTAL PROJECTED AND POTENTIAL STUDENTS FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT.
AND WHEN YOU GO ON THEIR WEBSITE, THEY TALKED ABOUT THIS BUILDING, WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO.
THEY TALK ABOUT THE ARNOLD PALMER 18 HOLE GOLF COURSE.
WE DO NOT HAVE A GOLF COURSE, BUT THEY ARE ADVERTISING THAT IT'S THERE.
I THINK YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
I WOULD PREFER THAT WE STAY WITH THE ORIGINAL AMOUNT OF HOUSES.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? CERTAINLY EVERYTHING NEW TO ADD.
RICHARD GRAVES, 511 GARDENDALE CIRCLE, SOUTHEAST PALM BAY.
UH, I'VE HEARD SO MANY COMMENTS HERE TONIGHT.
CO-GEN PLANTS. I'VE DONE BUILDINGS ACROSS THE NATION.
WHEN MR. MCLEOD SAID, I BELIEVE BEFORE THAT, UH, HIS FAMILY IS IN SOUTH FLORIDA, AND THEY HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT PARK IN THE STREETS. AND FROM WHAT I HEARD FROM THE BUILDER, THEY'RE ALLOCATING NINE SPOTS.
WHEN YOU'RE PUTTING IN 126 HOMES AND YOU HAVE A SINGLE CAR GARAGE WITH A SINGLE CAR DRIVEWAY, AND YOU'VE GOT 2 OR 3 BEDROOM HOUSES, YOU HAVE TO ASSUME YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE 2 TO 3 EXTRA CARS IN THE FUTURE.
MAYBE NOT TODAY, MAYBE NOT TOMORROW, BUT WITHIN THE NEXT 10 TO 20 YEARS.
WHERE ARE THEY GOING? OKAY, THIS PROJECT SHOULD BE REDUCED BACK TO THE 92, AND PARKING FACILITIES SHOULD BE MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BUY FROM THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU.
BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.
A LOT FOR YOU GUYS TO CONSIDER.
I'M GLAD YOU'RE THE ONES HAVING TO MAKE THIS CHOICE.
BAYSIDE LAKES WAS ORIGINALLY LAID OUT.
IT WAS THE REDNECK PARTY AREA.
BEFORE IT WAS THE BAYSIDE LAKES AREA.
AND SO THESE PLANS WERE PRESENTED TO THE CITY.
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AND THIS PLAN, THIS HAPPENED TO BE FOR 9292 SITE WAS WHAT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE CITY TO BE APPROVED ON.SO THAT'S WHERE THIS IS WHAT YOU ASKED FOR.
BE EASY TO SAY, NO, YOU CAN'T INCREASE IT JUST BECAUSE OF THIS IS WHAT THE PLAN WAS.
THE ITEM OF PARKING ON THE STREET.
WHAT DOES THE HOA IN THIS AREA HAVE TO DO? IS THIS GOING TO BE AN HOA AND THE BAYSIDE LAKES AREA, WHICH WILL DEDICATE WHERE YOU CAN AND CANNOT PARK, AND WHAT YOU'RE WHEN YOU'RE SELLING THESE RESIDENTS, THEY CAN DICTATE THE AMOUNT OF VEHICLES THAT YOU COULD HAVE IN THAT HOME SITE.
IF THE HOA IS ARE WILLING TO MAKE THIS COMMITMENT, THAT MIGHT BE PART OF REGULATION FOR THIS, AND I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THEM, BUT THEY COULD DICTATE BECAUSE IT IS AN HOA, THEY COULD DICTATE THE AMOUNT OF VEHICLES YOU COULD HAVE IN ORDER TO MAKE THE SALE.
RIGHT. I WITH THE TRAFFIC STUDY, THE CITY OF PALM BAY IS NOW CURRENTLY, INSTEAD OF LOOKING JUST AT WHAT YOUR DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO IMPACT ON THE TRAFFIC, WHAT IT'S GOING TO DO IN THE TOTAL TOTAL DEVELOPMENT AREA, WHAT THAT IMPACT IS GOING TO BE, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE IF THEY HAVE THAT STUDY FROM WHAT THE CITY CITY ENGINEER TRAFFIC ENGINEER SAID THIS IMPACT WAS, INSTEAD OF JUST WITHIN THEIR SINGLE DEVELOPMENT FOR THE BROAD SPECTRUM.
AND SAME SAME GOES FOR THE SCHOOL ZONE.
AND I DON'T I DOUBT THEY'RE HERE TO HELP YOU MAKE THAT CHOICE TONIGHT.
RIGHT. OTHER QUESTION THAT WE COULD GET ANSWERED TONIGHT WOULD BE IF YOU DO NOT APPROVE THE 126 AND HAVE THE DEVELOPER STAY AT THE 92, THEY'RE SAYING, WELL, WE WON'T MAKE ANY MONEY.
WELL, THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF OUR COMMUNITY IS THAT WE HAVE A LIFE THAT WE ENJOY.
NOT SO THE DEVELOPERS MAKE MONEY.
THAT'S NOT THE PURPOSE OF OUR COMMUNITY WITH THAT CAMPUS.
THE DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPERS CAN STILL MAKE MONEY.
THEY JUST MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THEY WANT.
SO WITH THE ORIGINAL QUESTION, IF THE BUILDER IF YOU DISAPPROVE THE EXPANSION, WOULD THE BUILDER CONTINUE TO DEVELOP AT THE 96 WITH THE WITH THE AMOUNT OF INFORMATION THAT IS AVAILABLE? THAT BEING SAID, I'M GLAD YOU'RE MAKING THE CHOICE, NOT ME.
UH, I LIVE IN SUMMERFIELD, AND I AM SIR CHARLES ZITO, 2048 WINBROOK DRIVE.
I LIVE ADJACENT TO THE GOLF COURSE ON NUMBER THREE HOLE.
AND I'M AN UNFORTUNATE, UH, PERSON BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE MY GOLF COURSE.
I HAVE THE I HAVE THE, UH, FORTUNATE SITUATION WHERE I LIVE ON ONE OF THE WIDEST STREETS IN BAYSIDE.
I CAN PULL IT DOWN THERE AND PARK IN MY DRIVEWAY FOR 48 HOURS.
THERE'S NOT MANY PLACES YOU CAN DO THAT, BUT I'M GOING TO TELL YOU.
JUST THINK ABOUT WHEN THAT PLACE IS BUILT IN THOSE LITTLE STREETS.
YOU GOT OVER THERE WITH FIVE, SIX LAWNMOWER TRUCKS, A FIRE TRUCK, AN AMBULANCE COMING DOWN TO TAKE CARE OF MABEL OR SOMEBODY ELSE, AND EVERY OTHER THING THAT'S GOING TO GO INSIDE THOSE STREETS.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANYBODY.
AND THE PEOPLE, THEY DON'T PARK LIKE THIS, THEY PARK LIKE THAT.
OKAY. SO STOP AND THINK ABOUT THE CONGESTION THAT'S GOING TO OCCUR IN THAT LITTLE CIRCLE OVER THERE.
GOOD EVENING, BOARD PAT ALPER FOR TEN GEORGE'S AVENUE NORTHEAST.
I DON'T LIVE IN BAYSIDE, BUT YOU NEED TO REMEMBER THAT ALL THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT GO ON IN BAYSIDE OR ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENTS SOUTH OR WEST, EVERYBODY ENDS UP ON MALABAR ROAD.
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BABCOCK 95.I'M TIRED OF DRIVING AROUND THIS CITY IN BACKED UP TRAFFIC EVERY DAY, ALL DAY LONG.
AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO END UP WITH.
MORE TRAFFIC ON MALABAR ROAD AND BABCOCK.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE GOT TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE PICTURE, NOT JUST ONE LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE? SING AND IT'S CLOSED FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS WITH THE APPLICANT.
THIS IS A GOOD ONE. REALLY GOT A COUPLE MORE.
THAT WAS A LOT. SO I HAD TO WRITE EVERYTHING DOWN.
SO I'M GONNA TRY TO. I'M GONNA TRY TO GO THROUGH EVERYTHING.
SO THE FIRST THING I WANT TO GO OVER IS THE PARKING AGAIN.
I SAID THAT THERE WAS NINE EXCESS SPACES, BUT WE'RE PROVIDING 261 SPACES.
THE REQUIRED AMOUNT OF SPACES PER CITY CODE IS 252.
SO WE'RE PROVIDING NINE EXCESS.
UM, ANOTHER THING I WANT TO GO OVER, I HEARD A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT SCHOOL BOARD CONCURRENCY.
UH, YES. THE ADJACENT SCHOOLS DON'T HAVE CAPACITY, BUT THERE ARE THREE SCHOOLS.
THERE'S COLUMBIA ELEMENTARY, CENTRAL MIDDLE, AND HERITAGE HIGH SCHOOL.
ALL HAVE CAPACITY THAT ARE WITHIN A TEN MILE RADIUS OF THE SITE.
IT'S ALL RIGHT, PEOPLE. PLEASE LET HIM TALK.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE MID 300,000.
SO THEY'RE LARGER LIVING AREA UNITS.
UM, ANOTHER THING, ANOTHER IMPORTANT ASPECT TO THIS IS THIS SITE IS ALREADY CONSTRUCTED.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THE ACCESS ROAD IS ALREADY THERE.
THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS IN PLACE.
ALL RIGHT. WE'RE TRYING TO CONFORM WITH THE ORIGINAL APPROVED INTENT OF THAT DEVELOPMENT.
SO THAT'S WHY WE KEPT THAT SAME LAYOUT.
UM, ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR IS JUST THE INCREASE IN DENSITY.
BUT EVERYTHING ELSE WAS WE'RE KEEPING THE SAME.
ALL RIGHT. WE'RE MONETIZING AGAIN THE POND TO PUT A FISHING DOCK ON THERE.
UM, AND AGAIN, WE HAVE A PARK IN THE, UH, REC AREA.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? YOU CAN RAISE IT UP A LITTLE BIT.
A LITTLE BIT? YEAH. ALL RIGHT.
PERFORMED IT BASED UPON CITY OF PALM BAY TRAFFIC IMPACT GUIDELINES.
AND WE ALSO, UM, WERE RECEIVING INPUT FROM CITY OF PALM BAY TRAFFIC STAFF BEFORE WE DID THE STUDY.
SO AS PART OF THE STUDY, WE LOOKED AT 126 MULTIFAMILY UNITS, WHICH IS WHAT IT'S PROPOSED.
UM, AS PART OF THE STUDY AREA, WE LOOKED AT BAYSIDE LAKES BOULEVARD AND WE LOOKED AT THE INTERSECTION OF BAYSIDE AND BRAMBLEWOOD, AS WELL AS COGAN DRIVE AND BAYSIDE LAKES.
UM, THE REPORT UM, HAD BOTH THE INTERSECTIONS OPERATING AT AN ACCEPTABLE LEVEL OF SERVICE.
LEVEL OF SERVICE. SEE, I BELIEVE THE GUIDELINES FOR PALM BAY'S LEVEL OF SERVICE D UM, AND FOR THE ROADWAY SEGMENT, UM, ALSO THE THE CAPACITY WAS AT 50% CAPACITY OVERALL.
SO IT WAS WELL WITHIN UM UNDER ONE AND LOSQ AS WELL.
UM, WE UM, WE DIDN'T FIND ANY, UM, DEFICIENCIES BASED UPON PROJECT TRAFFIC.
UM, AND WITH THAT, UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, LET ME KNOW.
GO AHEAD SIR. JUST ONE MORE THING TO CLOSE AGAIN.
WE'RE CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
WE'RE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AGAIN, THIS THIS THIS PLOT OF LAND COULD BE A HIGHER DENSITY PLAN PER CODE.
WE'RE ONLY INCREASING IT BY TWO UNITS PER ACRE.
UM, SO I JUST WANT TO END ON THAT.
WE WE ARE TRYING TO CONFORM WITH THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THE LAYOUT AND THAT'S IT.
I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS MAY HAVE.
ANY QUESTIONS? FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
FLOOR IS NOW CLOSED AND THE CASE IS BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION.
BOARD. DO WE HAVE AFTER HEARING ALL THE EVIDENCE, ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR EMOTION? JUST A WARNER. YEAH, A COUPLE OF THINGS.
UH, NUMBER ONE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTS KEPT SAYING THAT THIS IS ZONED FOR 92 UNITS.
THAT'S NOT TRUE. IT'S ZONED PUD.
IT WAS APPROVED FOR 92 UNITS 18 YEARS AGO.
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THE WORLD HAS CHANGED, FOLKS.UH, YOU KNOW, THE 126 UNITS THAT ARE PROPOSED.
UH, YOU KNOW, STAFF, STAFF, UH, APPROVED IT.
SO, UH, AGAIN, THIS THIS PROPERTY IS ZONED HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
SO HAVING SAID THAT, UH, MOTION TO APPROVE FD 23 00008.
MADAM CHAIR, BEFORE WE PROCEED, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
GO AHEAD. MY QUESTION IS IT BEEN A RESEARCHED OSMOSIS AVENUE IS EVENTUALLY GOING TO GO THROUGH.
IS THERE A WAY TO EXIT? THEY'RE MENTIONING THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY OUT.
IS THERE A WAY TO CONNECT TO OSMOSIS, TO LET THEM GO OVER TO THE GROWTH AND CLOSE? I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE IS.
UM, BUT I DO NEED TO ASK THE ATTORNEY, DO YOU NEED TO SECOND FOR DISCUSSION OR WHAT? I DON'T KNOW, WHAT'S THE POINT OF ORDER THERE, SIR? WE HAVE SECOND FOR DISCUSSION.
RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AT THIS POINT.
SO IS THE MOTION SECONDED FOR DISCUSSION.
A SECOND FOR DISCUSSION, MADAM CHAIR.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND NOW WE HAVE THE DISCUSSION STILL.
SORRY, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE.
SURE, WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING.
UH. UH. NO, SIR, I, I HAVE NOT SEEN THAT TYPE OF PLAN TO BE ABLE TO.
COULD THAT BE A DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT, UM, ACCESS TO A AN ADJACENT ROAD? I'M SEEING IT'S PRETTY CLOSE ALREADY TO OSMOSIS.
LET ME SEE IF I CAN'T SHOW THIS BECAUSE IT'S NOT AWESOME.
OSMOSIS IS WAY AROUND ON COGAN.
OKAY. UM, SO THIS IS BRAMBLEWOOD.
AND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS OSMOSIS, WHICH IS, I THINK, WAY THE HECK OVER HERE.
YES. YEAH, YEAH, BUT MR. BAUM WAS REFERRING TO A ROAD THAT DOESN'T EXIST, FOLKS.
RIGHT. AND I SEE THAT LAST LOOKING THE CANALS AND STUFF OTHER WAY.
AM I CORRECT, LADIES? YES. YEAH. YEAH. SO WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BUILD A ROAD THROUGH THIS CONSERVATION EASEMENT.
THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL, MADAM CHAIR.
OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YEAH. MADAM CHAIR.
THANK YOU. UH, GIVEN IT'S A SECOND FOR DISCUSSION IN THE SPIRIT OF DISCUSSION.
AND I REALLY DO HOPE TO HEAR FROM FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS HERE.
UM, WE'RE IN VERY FLUID TIMES IN IN THIS WORLD AND IN OUR LITTLE CITY THAT WE CALL PALM BAY.
UM, THINGS ARE CHANGING SIGNIFICANTLY NORTH, SOUTH, EAST WEST HERE IN PALM BAY.
STRUCTURALLY, IT'S CHANGING A LOT.
WE HAVE A VERY SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT GOING TO HAPPEN ON OSMOSIS DRIVE.
UM, WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT ONE DAY.
ONE DAY, WE'LL GET A SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY IN THE IN THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF OUR CITY.
UH, I SAY ALL THIS TO SAY THE ROADS ARE COMING.
SOME OF THOSE THAT I JUST MENTIONED ARE LITERALLY PROJECTS ARE ARE IN THE WORKS.
UM, THE TRAFFIC CIRCULATION TODAY SHOULD REALLY CONSIDER UTILIZING OUR SOUTHERN ACCESS AS OUR CITY, OUR COUNTY, OUR EVEN OUR STATE CHIPPED IN, SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON OUR SOUTHERN EXIT OFF OF 95.
MALABAR ROAD IN 95 IS A HAZARD.
I ENCOURAGE ANY PERSON I LOVE AND ALL MY NEIGHBORS TO NOT USE IT.
IT'S DANGEROUS. WRITE A LETTER TO FDOT AND GET IT FIXED.
BUT IN THE INTERIM, WE DO NEED TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE PICTURE AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC, CIRCULATION, UH, IMPROVEMENTS COMING.
THAT BEING SAID, 32 HOMES ROUND UP TO TWO CARS, 70 CARS, 80.
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I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS THE THE THE QUESTION AT HAND HERE.I THINK THAT IT'S IT'S A MATTER OF WHAT I'M HEARING IS THE THEME OF THIS LAND BEING DEVELOPED AND AND IT'S GOING TO BE UNFORTUNATELY FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, A CHINESE INVESTOR THINKS THAT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX FITS HERE, AND THEY'RE GOING TO HOLD ON FOR THE PRICE UNTIL MAYBE A DEVELOPER, YOU KNOW, WITH THE GO FORWARD DUDE, ENOUGH COMES TO US AND WANTS A 400 APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT, WHICH I DO NOT WANT.
UM, SO I'M JUST TRYING TO ARTICULATE THAT AS TOUGH OF A SITUATION AS IT IS.
I DID SECOND THE MOTION AND I WILL SUPPORT IT TODAY BECAUSE THIS DEVELOPMENT IS IS GOING TO OCCUR.
AND AS WE CAN ALLUDE TO IN SOUTH FLORIDA, WHEN THERE'S RULES, THERE'S RULES.
SO IF THE CARS CAN'T COME IN, THEY CAN'T COME IN, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
SO, UM, I JUST, I SAY ALL THIS OUT LOUD TO, TO LET MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS KNOW WHERE MY HEAD'S AT, AND I REALLY TO SOLICIT WHERE THEIR HEADS ARE AT, BECAUSE I'M LOOKING FOR COUNTERPOINTS TO THE IDEA THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING CIRCULATION AND THINGS ARE STAGNANT TO THE SOUTH.
SO THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR, FOR HEARING ME OUT.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? YEAH. FROM JUST, UH, CONTINUE WITH THE CONVERSATION.
FROM WHAT I GATHERED FROM THE RESIDENTS, I DON'T BELIEVE THEY'RE OPPOSED TO THE 92.
THEY'RE NOT OPPOSED TO DEVELOPMENT PER SE.
AND BUT I THINK IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, WHEN DOES IT STOP? THEY KEEP, YOU KNOW, KEEP ASKING FOR MORE.
IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THAT MUCH OF AN INCREASE, BUT IT IS 30%.
IT IS IT IS SUBSTANTIAL FOR THIS AREA.
AND I DO SEE THE, THE TRAFFIC DIFFICULTIES, THE, THE, THE ONE WAY STREETS GOING IN AND OUT, UM, THE CHILDREN, EVERYONE'S CONCERNED FOR THE SCHOOLS AND THE CHILDREN, SAFETY AND PEDESTRIAN SAFETY.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE IT'S COMING FROM.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? YES, MADAM CHAIR, IN MY PRIOR LIFE AS A DEFENSE ATTORNEY, I WAS ALWAYS REQUIRED TO LOOK AT THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ISSUE.
IT STRIKES ME THAT WHEN YOU HAVE SO MUCH CONCERN IN A COMMUNITY.
WE NEED TO TAKE TIME TO PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT FOLKS ARE SAYING.
YOU KNOW, IT'S GREAT TO HAVE A DEVELOPMENT.
DO YOU KNOW HOW FRUSTRATING IT IS FOR 80 YEAR OLD TO BE LOOKING FOR A PARKING SPACE AT 9:00 IN THE NIGHT AND CAN'T FIND ONE BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ADEQUATE? YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THESE ARE SERIOUS SAFETY CONCERNS.
AND I THINK THE COMMENTS THAT THE COMMUNITY ARE MAKING ARE REASONABLE.
AND I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO CONSIDER THAT BEFORE YOU VOTE.
THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? UH. YES, MA'AM. UM, WHEN I FIRST LOOKED AT THIS PROJECT, I LOOKED AT, UH, COMPATIBLE COMPATIBILITY.
I LOOKED AT, UM, THE, THE SURROUNDING AREA AND WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THE SURROUNDING AREA.
AND FOR ME, IT WAS JUST THAT, UM, EVEN THOUGH THIS WAS ALREADY APPROVED AT THE 92, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I ASKED WHO WAS THE ORIGINAL OWNER IS BECAUSE WHEN WE'RE LOOKING BACK AT 2006 AND THEN WE'RE FAST FORWARDING TO 2000 TO 2024, NOW THAT'S, UH, 18 YEARS.
SO THAT MEANS THAT EITHER THE PREVIOUS OWNER ALSO HAS LOOKED AT THE GROWTH IN THE CITY.
SO THEY'VE ALSO REALIZED HOW HOW HOW, HOW THIS HOW THE CITY HAS PROGRESSED AND HOW IT HAS GROWN.
AND ALL OF THE OTHER DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS WE HAVE ALREADY, UH, ALREADY IN PLACE.
OR THERE'S A NEW OWNER AND HE HAS NO IDEA.
SO ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I ASKED THAT QUESTION WAS TO GET A BETTER IDEA AS TO HAVE YOU BEEN FOLLOWING AND WATCHING THE GROWTH OR OR OR ARE YOU OBLIVIOUS TO WHAT THE GROWTH HAS BEEN HERE? SO FOR ME, IT WAS ABOUT THE COMPATIBILITY OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD AND ALL THE THINGS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN PUT IN PLACE 18 YEARS FOR 18 YEARS.
SO FOR FOR ME, IT'S THE, UM, IT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED FOR THAT 92.
EVEN IF YOU THREW OUT THE THEY THREW OUT THE NUMBER OF THE 400, WHICH, UM, AGAIN, I CAN RESPECT BECAUSE I ALSO DO NOT WANT TO SEE A HUGE APARTMENT COMPLEX, UH, 400 OR 400 UNITS GOING INTO THAT AREA, EITHER BECAUSE THAT'S NOT COMPATIBLE EITHER FOR THAT AREA.
SO, UM, IT'S THIS IS A VERY DIFFICULT DECISION, A VERY DIFFICULT CHOICE.
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OR THE CITY FOR PERMISSION FOR THOSE 400 UNITS.I THINK THAT WE SHOULD JUST KEEP IT WHERE IT IS.
AND, UM, AND EVERYBODY JUST KIND OF BE HAPPY AND MOVE FORWARD.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT ON THIS ONE.
SO I REALIZE THERE'S A MOTION AND THERE'S A SECOND, BUT I COULD NOT SUPPORT THIS.
ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD SEEING NONE.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, MADAM CHAIR? I DIDN'T HEAR YOU.
CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL? YES, MR. CHEF STEVE. UH, I VOTE I FORMER NAY NAY.
OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE WITH THE NEXT CASE.
IF YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE, UH, PLEASE DO SO QUIETLY AND WE'LL TAKE A COUPLE OF MINUTES.
I DON'T THINK IT, UH, IT WAS APPROVED.
EXACTLY. SO THAT'S WHAT THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPER HAD PLANNED.
THAT WAS I BELIEVE THEY DO HAVE THE OKAY FOR FOR APARTMENTS.
THEY DON'T NEED ANY FURTHER DEVELOPER APPLIED FOR.
YOU REALLY THINK? YOU REALLY THINK 400 UNITS WOULD FIT ON 28? I AM. YOU KNOW WHAT? I WAS ORIGINALLY LIVING WITH MY GRANDMOTHER IN BARTON STREET AND THEN.
YOU KNOW, MISS HILL, MISS DAISY HILL, THEY HAVE PROPERTIES.
UM, WHEN MY PARENTS CAME BACK FROM ENGLAND, WE MOVED TO FLOWER GARDEN.
SO I'VE BEEN IN ALMOST ALL MY FOLKS.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO LEAVE, WOULD YOU PLEASE EXIT NOW? WE NEED TO CONTINUE WITH THE MEETING.
YOU GOT TO GO SOUTH. BUT TAKE CARE.
AND CITY COUNCIL, WE GOT TO DO SOMETHING.
I KNOW, SO I KNOW, I KNOW, WE CAN'T ALL GO TO MALABAR.
JUST CAN'T DO IT. I SAID WE'LL SEE TOMORROW.
WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE WITH THE MEETING, SIR, WOULD YOU.
SIR, SIR, SIR, YOU NEED TO EXIT, PLEASE.
THANK YOU. GOOD TALKING TO YOU.
CAN I HAVE QUIET, PLEASE? THE NEXT CASE IS FS 23 00011.
UH, LIPSCOMB STREET TOWNHOMES, MISS HEGLER.
GOOD EVENING, KIM HAGLER, SENIOR PLANNER.
THE CASE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS FS 23 000 11.
IT'S FINAL SUBDIVISION PLAT FOR LIPSCOMB TOWNHOMES.
THE APPLICANT'S PAUL DALY AND DON BLUE, REPRESENTED BY ATTORNEYS AT LAW AND KIMLEY-HORN ASSOCIATES.
UH, THE PROJECT AREA IS LOCATED EAST OF ADJACENT TO LIPSCOMB STREET NORTHEAST.
THE EXISTING ZONING IS PUD, AND THE SITE IS APPROXIMATELY 24.56 ACRES.
UM IS TO ALLOW FOR PROPOSED 202 UNIT TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT.
UH, TO BE KNOWN AS LIPSCOMB STREET'S TOWNHOMES.
UH STAFF RECOMMENDS CASE FS 23 0011 FOR APPROVAL.
THANK YOU. DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE WITH THE APPLICANT, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS CHRIS, ALSO WITH KIMLEY-HORN.
I'M THE ENGINEER OF RECORD ON THE PROJECT.
UM, I WANT TO THANK THE BOARD FOR THEIR TIME TODAY.
UM, WE'RE HERE FOR THE FINAL PLAT APPROVAL FOR THE LIPSCOMB STREET TOWNHOME PROJECT.
UM, THE PROJECT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO THIS BOARD.
UM, NUMEROUS TIMES FOR THE DIFFERENT APPROVALS THAT THE CITY REQUIRES FOR THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.
AND, UM, THIS WOULD BE, UM, ONE OF THESE APPROVALS WITH IT BEING THE FINAL PLOT.
UH, THE PROJECT HAS NOT CHANGED IN SIGNIFICANCE, UM, SINCE IT WAS PRESENTED TO THIS BOARD.
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FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS PROJECT.UM, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TODAY.
HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. HRUSHEVSKY? THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
THANK YOU, SIR, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
UM, CAN YOU SHARE WITH ME THE UNITS PER ACRE OR THE DENSITY IN THIS DEVELOPMENT OF TOWNHOMES? I DON'T MAYBE STAFF COULD HELP ME BECAUSE I DON'T.
I KNOW IT'S I DON'T WANT TO GIVE YOU AN INCORRECT NUMBER, I APPRECIATE THAT.
YEAH, BUT IT HASN'T CHANGED, I ASSURE YOU.
SORRY, I DO NOT HAVE THAT NUMBER WITH ME OUT THERE.
OKAY? IT'S SIMPLY 0.28.2 OR SO FOR THE RECORD 8.2 OR SO.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? SEEING NONE. THANK YOU SIR.
THANK YOU. FOR THE RECORD, THERE ARE NO LETTERS IN THE FILE IN THIS CASE.
THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST? ANY OPPOSED? HOLD ON. MA'AM.
SUSAN BLAIR, 3745 THAYER LANE IN MELBOURNE.
I LIVE, UH, WEST OF LIPSCOMB, SO I AM NOT OPPOSED TO THE BUILDING OF THE TOWNHOMES.
MY CONCERN IS ON THE TRAFFIC ON LIPSCOMB AVENUE.
WE HAVE COMMERCE PARKWAY AND WE HAVE PIRATE LANE.
I SIT THERE FOR FIVE MINUTES BECAUSE THERE IS NO WAY TO STOP THE TRAFFIC ON LIPSCOMB NEAR WHERE THIS IS GOING IN, SO I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT IS PLANNED TO EITHER PUT IN MORE STOPLIGHTS, STOP SIGNS, WIDEN THE ROADS, DO SOMETHING SO THAT WE CAN GET OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
ANY ANYONE FURTHER YOU WANT TO SPEAK? YOU CAN MAKE COMMENTS, SIR.
WE DON'T. WE WON'T ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.
YOU CAN STATE YOUR QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
OKAY. MY NAME IS GUY GUILMETTE AND I'M AT 1716 MANGO AND MY PROPERTY.
THE REAR FENCE IS ADJACENT TO A SMALL POND.
AND MY CONCERN IS, UM, HOPEFULLY THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED AS PROTECTED WETLAND.
UH, IT'S BEEN REALLY OVERGROWN.
UH, AND MY CONCERN IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH THAT IF THIS IS DEVELOPED.
THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE? DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER TO ADD? I GUESS. MY NAME IS ALISON STROUD.
UM, HOW IS THAT AFFECTING MANGO STREET? BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A HOUSE ON MANGO STREET.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? PETER MARTINS FOR SIX BRECKENRIDGE CIRCUS SOUTHEAST.
I'VE HEARD RESIDENTS STATE VERY PASSIONATELY HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT DEVELOPMENT, AND I'M NOT OBJECTIVE ABOUT DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD.
HOWEVER, THE THING THAT I I'D LIKE TO KNOW IS, EVERY SINGLE TIME A REQUEST COMES BEFORE THE COMMITTEE, ARE WE LOOKING AT PALM BAY AS A WHOLE, OR ARE WE JUST LOOKING AT WHAT THAT DEVELOPER SAYS? I'M HEARING THE DEVELOPER SAYING THAT THEY'RE MEETING ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY.
THEY'RE MEETING THAT STUDY, THE TRAFFIC, THE SCHOOL.
BUT ARE WE LOOKING AT PALM BAY AS A WHOLE? BECAUSE PALM BAY IS GROWING AND THAT'S A WONDERFUL THING.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, ARE OUR SCHOOLS KEEPING UP OR OUR POLICE KEEPING UP OR OUR FIRE KEEPING UP, OR ALL THESE INFRASTRUCTURE KEEPING UP WITH THAT GROWTH AS AN OVERALL? AND THAT'S THE CONCERN I THINK OUR RESIDENTS HAVE, NOT THE FACT THAT WE DON'T WANT ADDITIONAL HOMES OR ADDITIONAL HOUSING.
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BUT IS THE CITY AS A WHOLE BEING KEPT BEING MAINTAINED, BEING, UM, BEING A PLACE THAT WE ARE PROUD TO LIVE IN? THANK YOU, THANK YOU.ANY FURTHER COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE? SEEING NONE PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE NOW CLOSED WITH THE APPLICANT.
LIKE TO RESPOND TO THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
THANK YOU. MELISSA STORM I'M WITH PULTE.
UM, SO I'LL RESPOND TO EACH INDIVIDUAL PERSON.
UM, WE ARE PROUD THAT WE GOT COMPLETED WITH STAFF.
UM, ONE OF YOUR GUYS'S FIRST PROPORTIONATE, FAIR SHARE AGREEMENTS.
CAN YOU RAISE THE MIC UP A LITTLE BIT SO THEY CAN HEAR YOU? CAN YOU ALL HEAR ME BETTER NOW? NO, I'M KIND OF QUIET, I APOLOGIZE.
THAT'S GOING TO COUNCIL TOMORROW.
SO WE ARE PAYING UP FRONT A PROPORTIONATE, FAIR SHARE OF OUR IMPACT FEES.
SPECIFIC TO WIDENING LIPSCOMB STREET TO FOUR LANE DIVIDED ROAD AS WELL AS PALM BAY ROAD.
UM, SO THAT'S GOING SPECIFIC TO THIS PROJECT.
AND WE WORK WITH YOUR GUYS'S TRAFFIC TEAM.
UM, AND WE WILL BE PAYING THAT WITH A CHECK UP FRONT.
UM, SPECIFICALLY TO THE CITY FOR THOSE.
UM, THAT'S WITHIN YOUR COMMUNITY.
SO WE WON'T BE CONNECTING TO THAT OR IMPACTING THAT STREET AT ALL.
OKAY. IF THIS IS, UH, MANGO, UH, MY HOME IS THIS ONE RIGHT HERE.
YEP. SO THAT ENTIRE PLOT TO THE SOUTH WILL REMAIN A STORMWATER POND COMPLETELY.
AND WILL BE OWNED AND MAINTAINED BY US AND OUR HOA.
SO EXCUSE ME, SIR, NO MORE COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE, AND YOU NEED TO ADDRESS THE BOARD.
YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
I KNOW YOU'VE SEEN US A FEW TIMES UP HERE.
UM, AND WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO GET THIS PROJECT STARTED.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS FROM THE APPLICANT? NO, SIR.
DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MADAM CHAIR. MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY JUST REMIND THE BOARD THIS MATTER IS UP FOR FOR REVIEW AND FINAL SUBDIVISION PLAT, WHICH MEANS THAT THE SCOPE OF REVIEW FOR THIS COUNCIL IS TO BASICALLY MAKE SURE THAT THIS PLAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF CHAPTER 177 FLORIDA STATUTES.
IT'S A REALLY LIMITED SCOPE HERE.
IS THE APP HAS THE APPLICANT MET THE CONSISTENCY WITH THE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS FOR PLANNING RECOMMEND YAY OR NAY? UM, ANYTHING OUTSIDE IS REALLY GOING TO FALL OUTSIDE OF THAT SCOPE.
THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
UM. SEEING NO QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD FOR THE APPLICANT.
THE FLOOR IS CLOSED AND IT'S BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR MOTION OR DISCUSSION.
THIS THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN BEFORE US NUMEROUS TIMES.
UH, AND THIS IS AS AS MR. RODRIGUEZ SAYS, THIS IS THE FINAL SUBDIVISION APPROVAL.
UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE DEVELOPER HAS MADE NUMEROUS CONCESSIONS, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, UH, THE CANALS AND THE WATERWAYS AND MAINTAINING THE, THE, UH, DRAINAGE AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
SO, AS I SAID, IT'S THE FINAL SUBDIVISION APPROVAL.
SO A MOTION TO APPROVE PHS 23 00011.
I HAVE A MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND.
I'LL SECOND. MOTION IS SECOND BY MR. HRUSHEVSKY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
OKAY. THE FINAL CASE IS GOING TO BE MISS FRAZIER.
UH. LET'S SEE. WHAT IS IT? 23. T 23 00030.
OH, LOOK. WAS IT ONE MORE? I APOLOGIZE? UM, UH, THIS EVENING WE'RE BRINGING BEFORE YOU ANOTHER TEXTUAL AMENDMENT.
IN REGARD TO FITNESS CENTERS PERMITTED USE.
UM, THIS IS BROUGHT TO YOU FROM STAFF AT THE CITY.
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THOUGH, IN OUR CITY AND USES IN OUR CITY HAVE NOT BEEN, UM, UM, TEXTUALLY OR I SHOULD SAY, EXPRESSLY PERMITTED IN CERTAIN ZONING DISTRICTS.AND SO, GOING THROUGH OUR CODE, WE DETERMINED THAT THE DEFINITION FOR INDOOR COMMERCIAL RECREATION SHOULD BE MODIFIED TO INCLUDE FITNESS CENTERS AND OTHER RELATED FACILITIES WITHIN PALM BAY.
AND SEVERAL OF THE ZONING DISTRICTS ALLOWED THESE USES OR HAD THEM AS CONDITIONAL USES.
WE CHANGED THEM TO ALLOW THESE AS PERMITTED USES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL COMMERCIAL UM, OR COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND GENERAL COMMERCIAL.
NOW, FITNESS CENTERS WITHIN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, COMMERCIAL AREAS AND OUR COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL AREAS WILL BE LIMITED TO 5000FT², WHICH IS, UM, THE INTENT OF THESE TYPES OF ZONING.
THEY'RE MORE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, HOWEVER, IN THE HIGHWAY, COMMERCIAL, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND HEAVY INDUSTRIAL, UM, OR GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS, WE ARE ALLOWING THEM TO BE OF ANY SIZE.
HOWEVER, SHOULD ANY OF THESE FACILITIES.
I KNOW YOU'VE SEEN A LOT OF THE FITNESS CENTERS OUT THERE.
THEY WANT TO HAVE OUTDOOR OR ADD OUTDOOR USES ALONG WITH THAT INDOOR USE.
UH STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL FOR THIS, UM, THIS TEXTUAL AMENDMENT ALLOWING THESE USES IN THOSE ZONING DISTRICTS. THANK YOU.
DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, MR..
LISA, UH, THE WAY YOU HAVE THIS WRITTEN UNDER 185 .042 UNDER, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, UH, THAT, UH, THESE FITNESS CENTER IS UP TO, YOU KNOW, LESS THAN 5000FT² WOULD STILL REQUIRE CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL.
THAT THAT IS CORRECT. AND UNDER AND UNDER THE OTHER ZONING.
IT WOULDN'T THAT THAT'S CORRECT, SIR, I APOLOGIZE.
YOU ARE. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS QUESTIONS? MR.. YEAH, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION.
WAS THERE ANYTHING THAT THAT PROMPTED THIS? HAS THERE BEEN SOME I REALIZE THEY ARE.
I HAVE SEEN FITNESS CENTERS DOING SOME MORE EXTERIOR THINGS, BUT ARE WE WORRIED THAT SOMEONE'S GOING TO HAVE LIKE A BIG TRACK OUTSIDE OR A BIG IS IT IS IT A NEIGHBOR HAS BEEN COMPLAINING AND IT'S OFFENSIVE, OR THERE HAVE BEEN NO COMPLAINTS THAT I AM AWARE OF.
HOWEVER, UM, WE BECAME AWARE THAT THERE WAS FITNESS CENTERS OPERATING IN SOME OF THESE AREAS WHERE THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED, UM, AND, AND YET THEY'RE NOT ACCORDING TO THE CODE.
AND SO WHEN THEY COME IN FOR A BUSINESS TAX RECEIPT, THAT'S WHAT STARTS PROMPTING US TO MAKE SURE THAT WHERE THEY'RE, THEY'RE REQUESTING THEIR BUSINESS TO BE IS IN THE THE PROPER ZONING DISTRICT.
AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT PROMPTED THIS WHOLE, THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION.
OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. RASZEWSKI. UH, YES, MADAM CHAIR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION PERTAINING TO THAT.
UM, DO YOU FEEL AS THOUGH THAT THIS ISSUE MANIFESTED ITSELF OR PRESENTED ITSELF BECAUSE THE CITY, UH, SWITCHED OVER TO A COMPLETELY DIGITAL PROCESS FOR THE BUSINESS TAX RECEIPTS? DID YOU SEE A CORRELATION? I COULDN'T SAY YES OR NO TO THAT, SIR.
BUT I KNOW THAT IN MY FORMER POSITION, WE DIDN'T HAVE IT ALL DIGITALLY.
AND WE WOULD ALWAYS ASK THE THAT'S WHAT A BUSINESS TAX RECEIPT QUESTION ALWAYS IS UNDERSTOOD.
YOU KNOW, ARE YOU IN THE PROPER ZONING DISTRICT.
AND SO THAT ALWAYS PROMPTS THAT QUESTION.
AND THIS IS WHERE THIS ORIGINATED.
AND THIS IS THE STAFF ASK THE QUESTION YES OR NO.
ARE YOU IN THE PROPER DISTRICT IS LIKE THE IS THE CUSTOMARY PROCESS.
YES, SIR, BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO FILL OUT THE APPLICATION AND THEN IT GETS ROUTED THROUGH DIFFERENT, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, IT STARTS IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND THEN IT GOES TO ECONOMIC AND IT GOES TO TO US IN GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
AND THANK YOU, SIR, FOR BEING WITH US.
UM, IF SOMEBODY WITHIN EITHER THIS BOARD OR THE CITY COUNCIL, UM, WERE TO BE DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THIS IN ANY WAY, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD NECESSARILY NEED TO DISCLOSE AND RECUSE THEMSELVES FROM THE ISSUE?
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BASICALLY. ANY UM, THE ONLY THE ONLY REASON UNDER STATE STATUTE WHERE A BOARD MEMBER HAS TO RECUSE HIMSELF TO THE VOTE IF THEY ARE GOING TO DERIVE ANY ECONOMIC BENEFIT OR ECONOMIC GAIN FROM THE DECISION AND ITS DIRECT, UM, WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE INDIRECT.UH, SO IN THIS CASE, IF ONE OF A BOARD MEMBER IS.
SEE, IT'S BECAUSE OF THE GENERAL APPLICATION.
I MEAN, IT'S NEED TO GET MORE SPECIFICS.
OR IS IT BECAUSE THERE'S A BOARD MEMBER WHO'S AN OWNER OF A GYM? UM, IN THIS HYPOTHETICAL EXAMPLE, IT'S NOT A DECISION HERE THAT WOULD NECESSARILY BE DIRECTLY RELATED TO THEIR GYM.
HOWEVER, IS THERE A SPECIFIC PECUNIARY GAIN FROM THE DECISION? MAINLY IS, UM, WHAT WOULD BE MORE ENTITLED TO, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S WHEN YOU GET TO A POINT WHERE, UM, I OWN A COMPANY AND THIS DECISION IS ACTUALLY AFFECTING THE PROPERTY MY COMPANY IS LOCATED.
HOWEVER, IF IT'S A A GENERAL PURPOSE ORDINANCE WHERE FULL USE IS BEING ADDED TO THE ZONING AND IT'S A GENERAL APPLICATION WITHOUT THERE BEING ANY SPECIFICS AS TO THE EXACT PECUNIARY GAIN OF A, UM, OF A COUNCIL MEMBER BECAUSE OF THE DECISION, AS IT'S THE DECISION IS TO THEIR PROPERTY. UM, I WOULD NEED MORE FACTS TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A CONFLICT OF INTEREST OR NOT.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I DON'T, UH, IN THIS, THE EXAMPLE I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND AND ARTICULATE HERE IS YOU OWN A GYM, YOU'RE IN AN AREA YOU NOW CAN'T GET A BUSINESS TAX RECEIPT.
SO IT'S KIND OF HARD TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE YOUR BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, LEGITIMATELY.
SO IN THAT GIVEN EXAMPLE, WOULD YOU NEED TO RECUSE YOURSELF? BECAUSE IT'S IT'S BECAUSE THIS IS REALLY AN ORDINANCE OF A KIND OF GENERAL APPLICATION.
UM. USUALLY IF IT'S IT, I ALWAYS ADVISE A BOARD MEMBER TO TO WHATEVER YOU'RE GOING TO EXERCISE, EXERCISE. ALWAYS THINK OF OVERABUNDANCE OF CAUTION.
UM, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S IT'S WITHIN YOUR RIGHT TO RECUSE YOURSELF.
UM, WHETHER NOW THE QUESTION IS, IS IT A SPECIFIC CONFLICT OF INTEREST? UM, WHETHER ONE IS COULD BE POTENTIAL OR NOT.
BECAUSE THIS IS A AN APPLICATION OF GENERAL, UM, APPLICABILITY TO THE ENTIRE CITY.
UM, I MEAN, I CAN'T ADVISE AT THIS POINT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
ALL RIGHT, SIR. WELL, I THANK YOU FOR THAT.
AND, MADAM CHAIR, THANK YOU FOR ENTERTAINING THAT.
I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, UH, NOT ONLY JUST IN THIS CASE, BUT BUT MOVING FORWARD.
WHAT? YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY MY LEGAL RESPONSIBILITIES, BUT THE BOARD AND FURTHERMORE, THE COUNCILS ARE.
THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? JUST, UH. YES, MADAM CHAIR, REAL QUICK.
SO, UH, SO THIS IS THIS IS PERTAINING TO, UM, THIS IS NOT ONLY TARGETING, JUST JUST TARGETING FITNESS AND FITNESS CENTERS THAT ARE WITHIN SHOPPING MALLS OR WITHIN THE, UM, YOU KNOW, IS IT ALSO TARGETING THOSE THAT ARE FREESTANDING? YES. THEY WOULD THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED IN IN FREESTANDING IF THEY WANTED TO, TO BUILD, UM, BUILD A FITNESS CENTER OR INDOOR RECREATION ALSO. THAT'S WHY WE IT OUR CODE WAS ALREADY DEFINING, UM, INDOOR COMMERCIAL RECREATION IN A LOT OF THESE, UM, DISTRICTS.
AND WE JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY WHAT FITNESS AND HEALTH CENTERS, UM, FOR SPORTS AND PHYSICAL ACTIVITY.
WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE INDOOR COMMERCIAL RECREATION DEFINITION.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? BUT IF THEY WANT TO BUILD A STANDALONE, THAT'S THAT'S ABSOLUTELY FINE.
WHY IN THE HIGHER INTENSITY AREAS LIKE THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL AND ALL WE TOOK OUT THE SIZE LIMIT IS BECAUSE WE OFTEN SEE YOU CAN SEE THAT IN THE MELBOURNE MALL.
UM, IS IT LIFESTYLE? I THINK THAT WENT INTO THE MELBOURNE THEY, THEY OCCUPIED ONE OF THE LARGE, LARGER AREAS OF DEPARTMENT STORE THAT IS NOW NO, NO LONGER THERE.
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AND THEY'VE OCCUPIED THAT.AND SO IT'S A GOOD FIT FOR THESE TYPE OF, OF EXISTING COMMERCIAL AREAS.
AND SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WEREN'T LIMITING THE SIZE.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SIR? I'M SORRY. UH, YEAH.
WHICH I GUESS WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING FOR, FOR, UM, FUTURE BUSINESS OWNERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO DO A FREESTANDING OR WHETHER THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IT INSIDE OF A MALL OR PUT IT INSIDE OF A STRIP MALL.
HOW WOULD THIS AFFECT, UM, HOW WOULD THAT? UM, SO I THINK YOU I THINK I THINK YOU KIND OF TOUCHED BASED ON THAT A LITTLE BIT, I THINK I GOT IT.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, MR. RECKLESS? THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
WHAT BENEFIT WILL THE CITY OF PALM BAY DERIVE FROM THE SUGGESTED CHANGES? SOMETIMES I THINK WHEN THESE RECOMMENDATIONS RECOMMENDATIONS ARE MADE, THERE NEEDS TO BE A MORE DETAILED EXPLANATION AS TO WHY AND HOW THE CITY WILL BENEFIT.
BECAUSE SOMETIMES WHEN WHEN I READ THE INFORMATION, I DON'T QUITE GET.
THANK YOU. WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO RESPOND? ABSOLUTELY. I'M SORRY IF I WASN'T CLEAR PRIOR TO THIS, BUT AGAIN, WHEN BUSINESSES COME IN AND ASK FOR CLARIFICATION OF THEIR USE, WHETHER AGAIN, THROUGH IT'S A BUSINESS TAX RECEIPT OR THEY WANT ZONING CLARIFICATION FOR A USE THAT IS IS GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY, IT'S NOT BAD FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND IT'S A FREE MARKET USE.
UM, THE THE STAFF HAS TO GO INTO THE CODE AND MAKE SURE THAT THESE USES ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE LANGUAGE AND THE DEFINITIONS AND THE USES OF OUR CODE.
AND SO WHEN WE FIND GAPS OR MISSING AREAS SUCH AS THIS, WE WE TRY TO MAKE THESE CHANGES AND BRING THEM TO YOUR ATTENTION.
IT REALLY IS A MATTER OF CONTINUOUSLY MONITORING AND MASSAGING, IF YOU WILL, THE CODE LANGUAGE, WHICH A LOT OF IT CAN BE VERY ARCHAIC AND NO LONGER APPLICABLE TO, UM USES THAT ARE ARE COMMON TODAY.
AND IN THIS INSTANCE, IT CAME TO OUR ATTENTION SOLELY THROUGH, I BELIEVE, THE BUSINESS TAX RECEIPT.
AND THEN WE STARTED LOOKING AROUND GOING, WOW, THERE ARE SOME FITNESS CENTERS OUT THERE, AND THEY POSSIBLY SLID IN THROUGH THE INDOOR COMMERCIAL RECREATION NOMENCLATURE, IF YOU WILL.
BUT THIS JUST PROVIDES A BETTER, UM, A CLEARER DEFINITION FOR OUR USE.
AND SO WHEN WE BRING THESE THINGS TO YOU, I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU ASKING AS TO WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? BUT I CAN'T IMAGINE ANYBODY AS OPPOSED TO HAVING FITNESS CENTERS.
WE SHOULD THAT SHOULD BE ALL OF OUR NEW YEAR'S RESOLUTION.
OKAY. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE? THANK YOU. THE FLOOR IS NOW CLOSED AND BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR A MOTION AND DISCUSSION.
MOTION TO APPROVE G 23 000 30.
SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
THAT CONCLUDES THE THE MEETING FOR THIS EVENING, MADAM CHAIR.
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NEW REPRESENTATIVE.AND, UM, IT'S BEEN A FEW MEETINGS WHERE I.
THE ATTENDANCE, THE ROLE HAS BEEN NOT HEARD FROM NOT NOT NOT HEAR, BUT NOT HEARD FROM.
AND MAYBE SOMETHING'S GOING ON.
UM, BUT I NEED A SCHOOL BOARD REPRESENTATIVE.
THAT'S THAT'S PART OF OUR OUR BOARD.
AND SO I WOULD LIKE US TO REACH OUT TO THE SCHOOL BOARD AND GET ONE, PLEASE.
THANK YOU. UH, MISTER ATTORNEY, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE CITY DOES IF.
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MOTION BE MADE, UM, BECAUSE AT THIS POINT, I CAN'T HAVE ONE BOARD MEMBER DIRECTING DIRECTING STAFF TO TAKE ACTION WITHOUT THIS BEING A BOARD, UM, RECOMMENDATION. IT'S PROBABLY BEST TO BE A BOARD RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL.OKAY. FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO TAKE ACTION.
HOW WOULD WE PURSUE THAT, SIR? THANK YOU. SO YOU MAKE A MOTION, UM, FOR THAT ACTION, AND THEN IT'LL BE REFLECTED IN THE MINUTES, WHICH WILL THEN BE PRESENTED UP TO THE STAFF WOULD THEN MAKE THAT PRESENT, THAT RECOMMENDATION FOR CITY COUNCIL TO TAKE ACTION, AND THEN IT'LL SHOW UP IN A CITY COUNCIL AGENDA TO APPROVE THE ISSUANCE OF THIS LETTER.
IF, IF IT'S IF CITY COUNCIL IS GOING TO, UM, DIRECT THAT ACTION OR, OR MAKE IT BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE IF THIS BOARD HAS AUTHORITY TO DIRECT STAFF.
AND BY STAFF I EVEN MEAN THE CITY MANAGER TO, TO TAKE CERTAIN ACTIONS.
THANK YOU. COULD WE, UH, FROM THE STAFF, COULD WE GET A RECORD OF WHEN HE HAS APPEARED AND HAS NOT APPEARED? MADAM CHAIR, DID YOU NOT APPOINT.
I'M SORRY. A POINT OF CLARIFICATION IS THE QUESTION BEING RAISED WHEN? OF WHEN ISSUES ARE BEING DISCUSSED PERTAINING TO THE SCHOOL BOARD? SOMEONE SHOULD BE HERE.
IS THAT WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT? AS. AS A MATTER OF STRUCTURE OF THE BOARD, IF I MAY, MADAM CHAIR, AS A MATTER OF STRUCTURE OF THE BOARD, WE HAVE A NON-VOTING MEMBER THAT HAPPENS TO BE APPOINTED BY THE SCHOOL BOARD. SO THAT PERSON IS MEANT TO BE A MEMBER OF THIS BOARD, MEANT TO TAKE PART IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS, MEANT TO BE ABLE TO OFFER US TEXTURE AND UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IT IS THAT'S GOING ON IN OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM IN RELATION TO THESE DEVELOPMENTS.
SO I CAN'T MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS BECAUSE WE'RE GOING ON SPECULATION.
I DON'T HAVE AN EXPERT IN THE ROOM, AS THE BOARD IS DESIGNED TO HAVE WHAT MY MY THOUGHTS WERE THAT WHEN STAFF COMPLETE THEIR RESEARCH, IT WOULD INCLUDE ADVICE FROM THE SCHOOL BOARDS.
FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, SCHOOLS ARE NOT ABLE TO ACCEPT THE NEW RESIDENTS.
I THOUGHT THAT CAME DIRECTLY FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD.
I HAVE A MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND, SECOND BY MR. BOEREMA? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE AYE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR, FOR HEARING ME OUT.
OKAY. ANY FURTHER? YES, SIR. AND EVERYTHING OKAY? WE'RE JUST. WE'RE DONE.
THAT WASN'T A WE'RE WE'RE ADJOURNED.
THANK YOU. I COULDN'T THINK OF THE WORD.
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