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YEAH. OKAY, OKAY.

[CALL TO ORDER]

[00:00:03]

IT IS 7 P.M.. LET'S CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.

THIS IS MEETING 2020 401 OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE ADVISORY BOARD ON JANUARY 22ND OF 2024.

IF WE COULD HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.

REBECCA TIBBOTT.

PRESENT. DAVID JONES.

ANNE MARIE FRAZIER, PRESIDENT.

PAUL EDWARDS.

THOMAS. HE'S GONE, MR. EDWARDS. THOMAS, GUAM, PRESIDENT.

TERRY MUELLER, PRESIDENT.

AND LOGAN LEWIS HERE.

ALL RIGHT. SO NEXT WE HAVE ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES OF THE 2023 DASH 11 MEETING FROM NOVEMBER 27TH, 2023.

[ADOPTION OF MINUTES]

DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THAT? SO MOVED.

SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? NO. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I'M SEEING NONE AND I VOTE I AND THAT MOTION PASSES.

SO NEXT WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON NON AGENDA ITEMS ONLY.

[PUBLIC COMMENTS]

DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS MR. BATTEN. GOOD EVENING, SIR.

GOOD EVENING. ONE AND ALL.

BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

I KNOW THE INFRASTRUCTURE ADVISORY BOARD FOCUSES PRIMARILY ON THE ROADS WITHIN THE CITY, AND I UNDERSTAND HOW THAT HISTORY OF WHERE WE ARE.

BUT SOMETHING THAT CAME OUT AT THE LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING THAT IS GOING TO HAVE A BIG IMPACT ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE WITHIN THE CITY OF PALM BAY, AND I'M BRINGING IT TO THE BOARD'S ATTENTION.

I'M SURE YOU MAY HAVE HEARD OF IT, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE JUST BECAUSE THAT'S THE TYPE OF PERSON I AM.

THE CITY HAS BEEN MANDATED WITHIN SEVEN YEARS TO HAVE ALL SEPTIC TANKS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AERATED SYSTEM.

THE ADVANCED ADVANCED SYSTEMS HAVE TO BE MANDATORY CONVERSION.

AND ALONG WITH THAT CONVERSION, IT'S A MASSIVE EXPENSE, ALMOST $30,000 PER RESIDENCE THAT WE'RE FACING.

SO RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING, DO I WANT ROADS OR DO I WANT TO HAVE MONEY TO PAY FOR MY NEW SEPTIC SYSTEM THAT I HAVE TO BE INSTALLING? SO I'M BRINGING THIS ATTENTION NOW SO THAT WE CAN, I DON'T KNOW, SOMEHOW BE THINKING HOW WE'RE GOING TO BE FACING BOTH OF THESE DILEMMAS BECAUSE BOTH OF THEM ARE GOING TO END UP ON SHORTFALLS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT. NEXT WE'LL MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS.

WE ARE GOING TO START. OH GO AHEAD.

I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS MR. BATTEN'S CONCERNS.

ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT I HAVE WITH THIS, AND I PLANNED ON BRINGING FORWARD TO TALK ABOUT AT FUTURE MEETINGS, WAS THAT OUR UTILITY DEPARTMENT CURRENTLY HAS NO CITIZEN OVERSIGHT. THEY DID AWAY WITH THE UTILITIES OVERSIGHT BOARD.

THIS BOARD IS THE CLOSEST THING THEY HAVE TO A UTILITIES OVERSIGHT BOARD.

I WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE COUNCIL TO EITHER REINSTATE THE UTILITIES ADVISORY BOARD OR PUT IT UNDER THE DOMAIN OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE ADVISORY BOARD SO THAT EVERYTHING COULD BE SCHEDULED OUT.

AND WE'RE NOT WASTING MONEY AS WE DO ALL THESE IMPROVEMENTS.

THANK YOU. GO.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? JUST FOLLOW UP A QUESTION.

JUST ASK. SO YOU ARE SUGGESTING THAT THIS BOARD TAKES ON MORE RESPONSIBILITY? I'M SUGGESTING THAT EITHER THEY REINSTATE THE UTILITIES ADVISORY BOARD, WHICH THEY CAN DO OR PUT IT NEEDS TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF CITIZEN OVERSIGHT BOARD.

AND THIS BOARD IS THE CLOSEST THING TO DEALING WITH THE UTILITIES OTHER THAN AN ACTUAL UTILITIES OVERSIGHT BOARD.

OKAY, SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS.

[NEW BUSINESS]

THE FIRST ITEM WE HAVE IS A PRESENTATION FROM MR. WATANABE ON THE UNIT 40 DEMO OF THE MICRO SURFACING.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH AGAIN.

FRANK WATANABE, THE CITY ENGINEER, AND I HAVE A PRESENTATION REGARDING WHAT WE CALL THE 6% MICRO SURFACING, WHETHER YOU CALL IT PREMIUM MICRO SURFACING.

SO THE SLIDE, PRESENTATION I HAVE IS WE MICRO SERVICE, THE UNIT 40, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY A MICRO SURFACING WHICH WAS HELD UP.

AND SO WE MICRO SURFACED THREE STREETS AS A PILOT PROJECT, WHICH WAS AGORA, MERCURY AND THOR.

I JUST WANT TO. OH, THERE WE GO.

SORRY ABOUT THAT. I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT ON THE MICRO SURFACING AGAIN.

IT'S IT'S NOT AN ASPHALT, TREATMENT.

IT'S A SLURRY TREATMENT.

SO IT DOESN'T HAVE A STRUCTURAL, YOU CAN SAY A STRUCTURAL THICKNESS.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE ASPHALT. WE PAVE IT WITH ASPHALT WITH TONNAGE.

THIS IS A SLURRY MIX.

SO IT'S SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, BUT IT'S STILL A SURFACE TREATMENT.

IT PROVIDES UP TO ABOUT A FIVE YEAR LIFE OF THE PAVEMENT.

SO IT'S AN EMULSION SLURRY YOU PLACE ON TOP OF IT.

THAT'LL GIVE YOU A FIVE YEAR EXTENSION OF YOUR PAVEMENT LIFE.

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IT'S MAINLY USED FOR ROADS THAT HAVE WHAT THEY CALL GOOD CONDITIONS, HIGH PCI INDEX, WHICH IS YOUR, YOUR, YOUR, PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX, PCI.

SO WE TYPICALLY TRY TO GO WITH 70 ABOVE.

A LOT OF AGENCIES GO EVEN FARTHER LOWER LIKE THE 50.

I THINK THE MOST COMPANIES THAT APPLY, MICRO SURFACING WILL GO AS LOW AS, LIKE 50, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO STAY UP IN THE 70 RANGE, SO WE KNOW FOR SURE IT'S GOING TO BE A GOOD TREATMENT FOR ALREADY A GOOD ROADWAY.

IT'S LESS COSTLY THAN DOING ASPHALT, WHICH IS BASED ON TONNAGE, THE PREMIUM MICRO SURFACING, WHICH WE CALL THE 6% MICRO SURFACING, IS SLIGHTLY MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE TYPICAL MICRO SURFACING.

SO THERE IS A TYPICAL MICRO SURFACING AND THEN THERE'S A PREMIUM AND I'LL GO INTO THE DETAIL.

BUT THE COST DIFFERENCE IS A FEW BUCKS.

SO I THINK THE STANDARD MICRO SURFACE LIKE IT'S LIKE FIVE BUCKS.

AND THE PREMIUM RIGHT NOW IS ABOUT 719.

AND I'LL GO OVER THAT MORE IN DETAIL.

AND THEN AGAIN, THE HISTORY BEHIND MICRO SURFACING, WHEN WE STARTED THE PROJECT, MICRO SURFACING UNDER THE ROAD PROGRAM WAS NOT PART OF THE TREATMENT.

AND THE SECOND YEAR WE ASKED TO ADD THAT AS A TREATMENT, WHICH COUNCIL APPROVED, WE WE DEMOED ONE STREET WHICH WAS COGAN FROM, FROM, SAN FILIPPO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO BABCOCK.

VERY GOOD JOB.

IT WAS, VERY SUCCESSFUL.

SO THEN WE DECIDED TO DO TWO LARGER UNITS, 17 AND 46.

BUT BECAUSE OF ISSUES WITH THE MATERIAL WEATHER TEMPERATURE MIX, IT DIDN'T WORK OUT.

SO WE HAD ALL THESE TIRE DIVOTS AND CREATED A PROBLEM, CREATED ESTHETICS PROBLEMS. THE MICRO SURFACING THE SLURRY STILL WAS APPLIED ON THE ROADWAY.

SO IT WAS STILL THERE, BUT ESTHETICALLY IT WASN'T PLEASING WITH ALL THE TIRE DIVOTS.

SO WE KIND OF SHIED AWAY UNTIL THIS NEW ONE CAME UP.

BUT JUST TO HIGHLIGHT AGAIN, JUST ON THE DIVOTS, THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE.

BUT, MOST OF THE DRIVEWAYS HAD THIS KIND OF LIKE, MARKINGS ON THE ROADWAY, AND THIS IS VERY SHALLOW.

THERE ARE SOME THAT HAD, LIKE, CATTLE CROSSINGS.

SO I'M JUST IT WASN'T PLEASING.

BUT JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, AND BOTH THOSE UNITS, WE I DID TRIAL PHOTOGRAPHS, AS YOU CAN SEE, FROM 2021 TO 2023.

AND YOU CAN SEE FROM THE BEFORE AND AFTER THEY FADED OUT, THEY ROLLED OUT.

EVENTUALLY THE THE SURFACING DID, ROLL OUT ALL THE DIVOTS.

SO YOU CAN SEE THOSE ARE THE SAME LOCATIONS AS YOU CAN SEE FROM WHEN THE DIVOTS WERE THERE ORIGINALLY TO 2023 AND EVEN 2024.

AS WE GO INTO IT, THE STREETS DON'T HAVE THOSE DIVOTS ANYMORE, SO EVENTUALLY THEY ROLL OUT.

BUT AGAIN, APPLYING A NEW APPLICATION, YOU KNOW, SPENDING ROAD BOND MONEY YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE.

IT'S LIKE BUYING DEFICIENCY, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? THEY WANT TO SEE NICE SMOOTH ROADWAYS.

SO THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT'S KIND OF PUT US BACK.

SO WE SHOWED MICRO SURFACING UNTIL WE COULD FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO.

THE WHAT TO DO WAS THE PREMIUM MICRO SURFACING.

WE HEARD ABOUT IT. I KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON IN OTHER STATES AND IN PLACES.

THEY'RE USING DIFFERENT TYPES OF MICRO SURFACING.

SO MICRO SURFACING, WHICH HE CALLED THE 6%, IS BASICALLY 6% OF A POLYMER, POLYMER MAKES IT STRONGER.

TYPICALLY THE ORIGINAL MICRO SURFACING HAD UP TO ABOUT 3%.

THIS ONE NOW USES A 6%.

SO DOUBLE THE AMOUNT. SO DOUBLE THE AMOUNT OF POLYMER.

THE STRONGER THE MATERIAL, THE HARDER THE MATERIAL GETS.

IT'S A COMBINATION WHERE YOU USE DIFFERENT TYPES OF SAME INGREDIENTS CEMENT, AGGREGATE EMULSION.

BUT BUT THE THE FINAL PRODUCT WAS A LOT BETTER.

THE ONE THING I CAN MENTION WAS THE HARDENING WAS A LOT FASTER AND THE MATERIAL WAS DARKER.

TYPICALLY MICRO SURFACING HAS A BROWNISH TYPE OF, START.

AND THEN IT'S KIND OF EVEN HOLDS THAT BROWNISH TINT WHERE THE PREMIUM STARTED OFF, KIND OF LOOKING BROWN, BUT THEN IT GETS DARK AND BLACK.

AND SO THE CURRENT ONE RIGHT NOW, IF YOU GO OUT TO AGORA, IT LOOKS LIKE A PAVED ROAD.

I MEAN, BECAUSE IT'S DARK AND BLACK, IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE ASPHALT.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE PLEASING, YOU KNOW, ISSUES OR AFTER EFFECTS OF THE MICRO.

AND AGAIN, IT EXTENDS THE PAVEMENT LIFE AS I TALKED ABOUT IT.

HERE'S AN EXAMPLE FROM THE STATE OF TEXAS.

TEXAS HAS BEEN USING, THE 6% POLYMER POLYMER MIX.

THIS IS THE COMPANY. IT'S CALLED E-FLEX.

IT'S HOME BASED OUT OF TEXAS.

AND SO THE STATE OF TEXAS HAVE USED THIS, AND THEY'VE SAVED A LOT OF MONEY, AS SHOWN IN THIS ONE SLIDE.

THEY TOOK OUT THAT WITHIN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, THEY, THEY'VE SAVED, A $20 MILLION.

YOU CAN SAY, I HOPE TO DO THAT WITHIN OUR PROGRAM AS WE GO INTO THE FUTURE YEARS, AS YOU GUYS HOPEFULLY ENDORSE THIS MOVING FORWARD WITH THE MICRO SURFACING THAT WE OURSELVES COULD ALSO SAVE PROBABLY $20 MILLION AS A STATE OF TEXAS DID.

BUT AGAIN, THEY'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A LOT LONGER, AND THEY NEVER HAD THE EXPERIENCE THAT WE HAD.

AND I BELIEVE MAINLY THE REASON FOR OUR DEFICIENCY WAS TWO THINGS.

THE MIX WASN'T WHERE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN.

AND. THE WEATHER WASN'T WHERE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN.

IN OTHER WORDS, WE DID IT DURING THE WARMEST HUMANIST TIME, AND EVERYBODY HAD PRETTY MUCH STATED THAT YOU WANT TO DO THIS IN THE COOLER MONTHS.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE DID.

WE JUST FINISHED OURS IN DECEMBER AND SO IT WORKED OUT VERY NICE.

I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE SOME OF THE.

THE BACKGROUNDS IN TERMS OF THIS TEST PILOT PROJECT WE DID FOR UNIT 40, WHICH WAS AGORA, MERCURY AND THOR, WE MADE SURE WE WERE OUT THERE.

WE DID THE CALIBRATIONS, WE CALIBRATED ALL THE TRICKS.

[00:10:01]

THIS TIME WE DID EVERYTHING BY THE BOOK.

SO JOHN AND I WERE OUT THERE.

WE CALIBRATED ALL THE TRUCKS.

WE MADE SURE WE THERE WAS QUALITY CONTROL.

WE MADE SURE THEIR TEAM HAD THEIR A-TEAM PEOPLE ON WHEN THEY DID ALL THE TESTING.

AND THE BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HAVING THE A TEAM PERSON AND THEN HAVING A PERSON THERE, THE PERSON FROM APSA WAS THERE WHO HELPED US WITH THE CALIBRATION TESTING.

THEY KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON.

TO THE POINT WAS, IT WAS VERY IMPRESSIVE WHEN YOU HAVE AN 18 PERSON WHO WAS EDUCATING US, BECAUSE I READ ALL THE MATERIALS AND I TALKED TO OTHER PEOPLE, BUT TO HAVE SOMEONE THERE WHO REALLY KNEW IT, IT'S VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE AND I LEARNED A LOT FROM THIS PERSON.

SO IT WAS VERY GOOD TO HAVE THE A-TEAM THERE.

AGAIN, WE DID ALL THE CALIBRATION.

VERY GOOD JOB ON THE CALIBRATION.

WE DID SOME SMALL TESTS OUT IN THE FIELD AND THEN WE DID, WE CALL IT A STRIP TEST ON THE ROADWAY.

AND I'LL SHOW YOU A PHOTOGRAPH OF THAT.

THAT WORKED OUT GREAT.

WITHIN A SHORT TIME WHEN THEY DID THE STRIP.

THE TEST STRIP, I THINK 15 MINUTES, AS I SAY ON THE PRESENTATION, IT WAS ALREADY HARD.

IT WAS ALREADY TO THE POINT YOU COULD WALK IN THE MATERIAL WHERE TWO YEARS AGO, WHEN WE DID THIS, WHEN WE DID THE MICRO SURFACING, THERE WERE A FEW LOCATIONS.

WE WAITED HOURS AND IT WAS STILL, YOU KNOW, SOFT BUBBLING, LIQUID, OR IN THIS SITUATION WAS TOTALLY THE OPPOSITE.

SO WE WERE VERY IMPRESSED.

JOHN AND I WERE VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE MATERIAL.

SO WE APPROVED THE TEST STRIP AND MOVED FORWARD WITH THE APPLICATIONS ON THOSE THREE STREETS.

EVERYTHING WORKED OUT GREAT.

AND AS THIS PHOTOGRAPH SHOWS, EVERYTHING TO TODAY STILL IS AS GOOD AS WE SAW IT WHEN WE DID THE INITIAL TEST STRIPS.

AGAIN, SOME PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE CALIBRATION AND TESTING.

AGAIN, WE THEY TESTED, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING FROM THE STONE TO THE AGGREGATE TO THE MIX TO THE WATER.

EVERYTHING WAS CHECKED, DOUBLE CHECKED.

AND THEN WE DID THE SHOWN HERE IS A TEST STRIP SAMPLE.

AND SO WE PICK ONE STREET WHICH IS THOR.

AND WE DID THE TEST STRIP.

AND YOU CAN SEE ON THE VERY BOTTOM SIDE YOU CAN SEE WHEN IT'S FRESH IT'S BROWN.

AND YOU CAN SEE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE WHERE YOU'RE STANDING, WHICH IS PAST WHICH HE DID MAYBE 15, 20 MINUTES AGO.

IT'S ALREADY TURNING BLACK.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHEN IT STARTS OFF BROWN, BUT IT TURNS OFF EVENTUALLY BEING BLACK, AND IT STAYS BLACK AS IT STARTS TO AGE.

JUST TO HIGHLIGHT AGAIN THE THESE ARE, HIGH TECH TRUCKS.

SO THEY USE A COMPUTERIZED SYSTEM.

SO THEY USE WHAT THEY CALL EM CAD.

THAT'S ON ALL THE TRUCKS. AND THEY KIND OF THEY WENT THROUGH AND EXPLAINED TO US, THE, THE COMPONENTS OF THE TECHNOLOGY BEHIND EACH TRUCK.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE THE OLD DAYS WHERE SOMEONE'S TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT AND FLIPPING A COIN, TRYING TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE RIGHT PERCENTAGES.

EVERYTHING IS ALL COMPUTERIZED.

SO IF YOU'RE OFF A SLIGHT BIT, IT WOULD READ A NEGATIVE.

YOU SEE A RED LIGHT POP UP SAYING YOU DON'T MEET YOUR.

IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'RE ALWAYS TESTING FOR YOUR WATER, YOUR EMULSION AND YOUR ADDITIVES, ALL THAT STUFF, AND YOU SUBMIT IT ALL IN.

IT'S PREPROGRAMED AHEAD OF TIME.

SO IF YOU START FALLING BEHIND OR IT DOESN'T ACHIEVE THOSE THRESHOLDS, IT LIGHTS UP.

SO IT'S ALMOST IDIOT PROOF ON THE TRUCKS.

SO IT'S A VERY UNIQUE TOOL TO HAVE.

SO HERE'S THE SAMPLES OF THE MICRO SURFACING WHEN WE DID.

AS YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE BROWN AND THEN THE DARK.

BIG DIFFERENCE IN THE MATERIAL.

EVEN TO BE SAFER THIS TIME, EVEN AFTER IT HARDENED, THEY BROUGHT OUT A TRAFFIC ROLLER.

TYPICALLY ON A MICRO SURFACE, YOU RARELY DO YOU PLACE A RUBBER TIRE ROLLER, WHAT THEY CALL A TRAFFIC ROLLER.

BUT TO BE SAFE, THIS TIME, THEY BROUGHT ONE OUT TO MAKE SURE.

SO WE HAD A TRAFFIC ROLLER ON IT.

SO AGAIN, EVERYBODY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THIS WAS GOING TO BE BY THE BOOK ABOVE AND BEYOND IN CASE THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS LATER ON WHICH WE'RE GLAD WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT.

BUT BUT IN THIS SITUATION, THEY DID EVERYTHING THEY COULD.

SO WE WERE VERY IMPRESSED.

A TEST STRIP NOT ONLY DOES THE TRUCK PROVIDE THE ELECTRONIC, IT PRINTS OUT A TICKET WITHIN THE TICKET SO YOU COULD KEEP THE TICKETS AND VERIFY WITHIN THE DATA REPORTS AND VERIFY AT THE END IF YOU MET YOUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS.

AND WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IN THESE TEST STRIPS IS KIND OF LIKE A, YOU KNOW, RECEIPT FROM YOUR PUBLIC STORE.

BUT THIS PRINTS OUT YOUR PERCENTS OF EMOTION, YOUR WATER, YOUR ADDITIVES.

AND WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT REALLY IS THAT RATE, YOUR RATE OF APPLICATION.

AND SO AS YOU SEE IN THE PREVIOUS YEAR, DOUBLE IT PRETTY MUCH STAYED THE SAME.

SO YOU KIND OF WONDER WHAT HAPPENED.

YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING. WHY DIDN'T YOU KNOW IN THE PREVIOUS YEAR.

WE YOU KNOW WE HELD THE SAME NUMBERS EXCEPT FOR THE RATE WAS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER.

SO IN MICRO SURFACING, IT'S KIND OF LIKE CERTAIN TYPES OF ENGINEERING WHERE A FEW SECONDS OR A FEW DEGREES MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE.

IN THIS SITUATION. THE APPLICATION RATE DID BECAUSE, LOOK, YOU WENT FROM FROM 14, 17 TO 20.

THAT BIG DIFFERENCE MADE A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN THE IN THE MATERIAL WE HAD BECAUSE EVERYTHING ELSE STAYED THE SAME.

THE EMULSION STAYED THE SAME PRETTY GOOD.

THE WATER STAYED THE SAME, THE ADDITIVES, YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T HAVE POINT A ZERO, BUT NONE OF THOSE OTHER ITEMS CHANGED AS MUCH AS THE RATE CHANGE.

BUT IT WAS A LESS SMALL DEGREE OF CHANGE, MADE A BIG DIFFERENCE, AND THAT HELD TO ALL OUR TRUCKS WHEN WE DID IT ALL.

YES SIR. WHEN HE SAID THE RATE OF CHANGE, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THAT'S THE RATE OF APPLICATION.

THE SPREAD RATE WHEN THEY LAID IT DOWN.

SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THE PREMIUM RIGHT HERE.

BUT THE SPREAD 20.6 POUNDS PER YARD WHILE THE DOUBLE.

14 TO 17 POUNDS PER YARD.

SO THE PREMIUM HERE BUT THE SPREAD MORE.

THAT MEANS THE SPREAD QUICKER.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? THICKER.

THICKER OKAY.

OKAY. SO THIS IS APPLES TO APPLES.

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I WAS LOOKING AT TICKS WITH THE SAME AMOUNT OF AREA.

SO I'M SAYING APPLES TO APPLES.

WHAT HAPPENED WAS IT'S SLIGHTLY BIT THICKER BUT BECAUSE IT'S SLIGHTLY BIT THICKER IT MADE AND IT DRIED A LOT FASTER.

IT GAVE US THAT STRONGER MATERIAL THAT WE HAD, WHERE AGAIN, WE WERE TRYING TO FIND ALL THE REASONS WHY, BECAUSE IN THE PREVIOUS, WE DID EVERYTHING WE COULD AND WE COULD NEVER FIGURE OUT WHAT HAPPENED. AND TO THIS DAY, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A GOOD, YOU KNOW, WE SAY NOW IT'S A MIX.

WE SAY NOW IT'S A TEMPERATURE. BUT THERE'S STILL OTHER FACTORS.

SO THIS IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY ISSUES.

BUT WE LEARNED THAT JUST A SLIGHT BIT OF CHANGE MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE IN MICRO SURFACING.

SO I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT.

SO WE HAVE ALL THE TRACKING.

YES SIR. AND AGAIN JUST FOR MY UNDERSTANDING DOUBLE HERE MEANS YOU ARE DOING IT TWICE.

CORRECT OKAY.

SO AND ALL OUR APPLICATIONS JUST TO LET YOU KNOW IT'S A DOUBLE APPLICATION.

SO. SO THE BOTTOM ONE IS DONE TWICE.

ALSO IT'S DONE TWICE.

WE CALL IT DOUBLE APPLICATION.

WHAT IT IS. THEY PUT A THEY PUT A SURFACE LAYER LIKE AN INITIAL COAT.

AND THEN THEY COME BACK AND PUT A SECOND COAT ON OKAY.

SO THAT'S WHAT THEY CALL A DOUBLE APPLICATION.

SO SO WHY IS THE SECOND WHY IS THE SECOND ONE HAS NO ADDITIVE.

IT'S CLOSE TO THE FIRST ONE WAS POINT EIGHT.

SO IT'S CLOSE TO ZERO.

YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING. AND AGAIN THIS YOU'RE RIGHT I'M SAYING IT MAYBE COULD HAVE HELPED THAT ADDITIVE.

FROM WHAT I COULD TELL, THE ADDITIVE REALLY DOESN'T DO A LOT.

IT'S REALLY THE EMULSION.

THE WATER AND THE CEMENT ARE THE THREE CHEMICAL THAT REALLY PLAYS A FACTOR.

WHEN YOU APPLY FOR MICRO SURFACING, THE ADDITIVES, IT'S A MARGINAL.

SO IN THIS SITUATION THERE IS ONLY LIKE 0.8 DIFFERENCE.

SO IT'S NOT REALLY EVEN A POINT PERCENT.

THE BIGGEST ONE I COULD TELL WAS, WAS THE APPLICATION RATE.

AND WHAT DOES IT WHAT IS THE EMULSION? PARDON THE EMULSION.

WHAT IS THAT. IT'S A IT'S A IT'S A PETROLEUM BASED EMULSION OKAY.

SO TO CONTINUE ON.

SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE WHERE AGAIN WE DID THE MICRO SURFACING.

AND THEN WE SAW A FEW AREAS THAT HAD YOU CAN SAY MARKINGS AND DIVOTS.

THIS TIME AGAIN INSTEAD OF WAITING THEY CAME BACK AS QUICK AS THEY CAN.

AND THEN THEY REPAIRED THESE AREAS WHILE THEY'RE STILL HERE.

SO HERE'S AN EXAMPLE.

LAST TIME WE DIDN'T DO THIS, BUT HERE'S AN EXAMPLE.

THEY CONED IT OFF AND THEY REDID IT, AND THEY MADE SURE THEY STUCK AROUND TO MAKE SURE IT WAS DONE RIGHT.

THIS WAS A PATCH REPAIR ON A MICRO SURFACING.

SO THIS TIME THEY WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND TO MAKE SURE BEFORE THEY LEFT FOR THE INITIAL EVERYTHING WAS TO OUR SATISFACTION.

SO AGAIN, KUDOS TO THEM.

THEY COME BACK DURING THE FIRST PROCESS TO WHEN THEY SAW ANY IMPERFECTIONS, THEY CAME BACK AND FIXED IT REAL FAST SO THAT DOWN OR THEY JUST PUT THEY JUST THEY JUST PUT ANOTHER THEY JUST PUT ANOTHER LAYER ON ANOTHER.

OKAY. SO THAT PATCH IS LIKE THREE LAYERS THEN.

CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YEAH. SO THAT'S NOW THREE LAYERS OF MICRO SURFACING.

AND AGAIN THESE ARE VERY THIN.

SO IT REALLY IS NOT LIKE A LIKE A IT'S NOT LIKE AN INCH OF ASPHALT.

SO IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE DRIVABILITY OF THE ROAD BECAUSE AN APPLICATION IS LIKE 3/8.

SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT VERY THIN LAYERS.

SO AGAIN THERE IS NO REAL THERE'S STONE BUT IT'S VERY SMALL.

SO THERE'S REALLY NOT LIKE AN AGGREGATE.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE ASPHALT.

SO THIS IS REALLY A SLURRY MIX.

IT'S LIQUID BASED.

YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING. IT'S NOT OFF OF A PAVEMENT MACHINE.

IT'S OFF OF A TRUCK. SO IT'S A LIQUID BASED MATERIAL.

SO IT'S VERY THIN.

SO AGAIN WE DID A LOT IN THE PROCESS.

WE HAD DAILY FUEL REPORTS.

WE VERIFIED IT ON A DAILY FUEL REPORTS.

WE HAD QC RESULT REPORTS AS WELL.

AND WE MADE SURE WITHIN THE QC REPORT THIS MAKE SURE IT ALL MET ALL THE THRESHOLDS WHICH IT DID AND MADE ALL IT MET ALL OUR SPECIFICATIONS WHICH DID.

SO IT CHECKED ALL THE BOXES AND THEN AFTER 28 DAYS CLOSE TO 30 DAYS, 28 DAYS.

HERE'S THE PHOTOGRAPHS OF WHAT THE ROADS LOOK LIKE AND COMPARE IT TO THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION.

IN 2021, WE HAD CATTLE CROSSINGS AND THIS TIME NONE.

SO WE WERE VERY HAPPY, VERY PLEASED.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF ROAD TOO, BECAUSE REMEMBER, THIS ROAD HAS A LOT OF COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC.

SO UP IN 40 YOU HAVE A LOT OF APARTMENTS AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

SO YOU KNOW, WE WERE CONCERNED BECAUSE WE HAD A LOT OF HEAVY TRUCK TRAFFIC ON THESE STREETS.

BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, NO MARKINGS.

THIS IS AFTER 28 DAYS.

AND I'M TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW, I DROVE THE STREETS THIS MORNING, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, ALMOST TWO MONTHS.

NO, EXCEPT FOR EXCEPT FOR THE BURN MARKS AND THE DONUTS FROM STUDENTS.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, DEFICIENCY.

THAT'S BEING CRAZY, THAT NO MARKINGS.

NO PAVEMENT MARKINGS.

OKAY, SO IF YOU GO OUT THERE AND SAY, OH, FRANK, LOOK AT THESE DONUTS.

DONUTS. THAT'S CAR MARKINGS.

TIRE MARKINGS, BUT THERE ARE NO DIVOTS.

I WAS VERY PLEASED, YOU KNOW, AFTER THIS LONG OF A PERIOD TO NOT HAVE THE DIVOTS WE HAD FROM THE PREVIOUS.

SO THE SO THE PREMIUM MICRO SURFACING DOES WORK.

SO THE FINDINGS AGAIN PRETTY MUCH WE'RE VERY SATISFIED.

WE BELIEVE THAT AGAIN, WITH ALL THE WORK WE DID IN ADVANCE, WORK WITH THE CONTRACTORS, WE HAD A GOOD CALIBRATION, GOOD TESTING.

WE HAD A SUCCESSFUL TEST STRIP THAT HARDENED.

WE SAW IT HARDENING.

WE SAW ALL THE SUCCESS WITH THAT.

WE MADE SURE WE HAD GOOD FOLLOW UPS.

AND THEN WE DID ALL THE INSPECTIONS.

WE DID. WE INSPECTED IT ON THE SEVENTH, THE 14TH, 21 AND THE 28 DAYS.

SO WE WE DIDN'T DO IT. JUST ON THE 28TH DAY.

WE WERE OUT THERE EVERY WEEK TO MAKE SURE.

AND WHAT WE SAW RIGHT NOW, AS YOU SAW ON THE PHOTOGRAPH, WAS THE THE PREMIUM MICRO SURFACING EXCEEDS WHAT WE SAW IN THE PREVIOUS OLD APPLICATION OF MICRO SURFACING,

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EVEN THOUGH IT'S A FEW DOLLARS MORE, BANG FOR BUCK, A BETTER PRODUCT, I BELIEVE IN TERMS OF FROM WHAT WE SAW.

AND THEN AGAIN, THIS WILL GIVE US FIVE MORE YEARS ONTO THAT ASPHALT AT A QUARTER OF THE COST TO PAY THAT ROAD.

SO WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? WE WANT TO CONTINUE USING MICRO SURFACING.

WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS GET YOUR ENDORSEMENT ON THE MICRO SURFACING.

WHAT WE HAVE READY TO GO WAS WHEN WE STARTED THE MICRO SURFACING, WE HAD UNITS 26, 37, SORRY, 26, 38, 39 AND 40.

AND THEN THE FIASCO CAME WITH ALL THE TIRE DIVOTS.

SO WE PUT THAT ON HOLD.

WE WOULD LIKE TO GET YOUR ENDORSEMENT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE REMAINING 26, 38, 39 AND 40, WHICH WAS IN 2021 READY TO GO.

AND WE STOPPED IT. NOW THAT WE HAVE THIS NEW PRODUCT, THE PREMIUM MICRO SURFACING AT 6% POLYMER, WE WANT TO GET YOUR ENDORSEMENT TO MOVE FORWARD NOW.

SO AS SOON AS YOU GIVE ME AN ENDORSEMENT, I'M HOPING TO GET A PROPOSAL FROM THE CONTRACTOR TO HAVE THEM COME BACK RIGHT DURING THIS CURRENT WINTER TO HIT THOSE STREETS.

AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU AGAIN LATER ON FOR THE REMAINING, ROADWAYS AS WE START LOOKING AT OTHER ROADWAYS TO APPLY FOR THE MICRO SURFACING.

BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, THESE FOUR UNITS WAS ORIGINALLY PLANNED TO BE MICRO SURFACE TWO YEARS AGO.

AND THEN THE ISSUES CAME UP.

SO WE HELD EVERYTHING BACK.

AND SO WE WOULD LIKE TO GET YOUR ENDORSEMENT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH MICRO SURFACING AGAIN.

AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, WE GIVE A PRESENTATION TO CITY COUNCIL, LAST COUNCIL MEETING TO EDUCATE THEM ON THE ROAD PROGRAM, WHERE TO GO, FUNDING SHORTFALLS.

AND I EDUCATED THEM ON THIS NEW MICRO SURFACING AND THE SUCCESS WE'VE HAD SO FAR.

AND THEY'RE VERY PLEASED AS WELL.

BUT I TOLD THEM THAT UNTIL WE GET YOUR ENDORSEMENT, I NEED YOUR ENDORSEMENT.

SO THAT'S KIND OF BACKWARDS, THOUGH, FRANK.

IT'S INDICATED THAT. MADAM CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION.

HOLD ON ONE SECOND, TERRY. GO AHEAD.

EVERYTHING LOOKS GOOD AS FAR AS WHAT YOU'RE PRESENTING.

YOU SAY THAT IT DRIES FASTER.

IT LOOKS LIKE IT HOLDS LONGER.

BUT MY CONCERN IS YOU BROUGHT SOME ABOUT THE COLD WEATHER.

WORKS BETTER IN COLD WEATHER.

DEFINITELY. I WOULD NEVER APPLY THIS IN THE FLORIDA SUMMER WEATHER.

WHETHER IT'S BECAUSE I THINK IT'S THE HUMIDITY.

I MEAN OTHER STATES, AND I CAME FROM OTHER STATES, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE WEATHER, IT DOESN'T HAVE THE HUMIDITY.

TEXAS, CALIFORNIA, THEY USE MICROSERVICE AND THEY DO IT IN THE SUMMERTIME.

THEY DON'T HAVE THE HUMIDITY.

I MEAN, THE HUMIDITY, THE MOISTURE PLAYS A FACTOR.

I MEAN, JOHN AND I, WE WERE IN THE FIRST GO AROUND.

I MEAN, LITERALLY THEY HAD THERE WAS LIKE BUBBLES IN OUR MICROSERVICE THING.

I'M TALKING ABOUT BIG BUBBLES POPPING UP BECAUSE I THINK IT WAS THE WATER BUBBLING UP.

SO HOW WE OVERCOME THAT HERE, IT'S ALWAYS HOT MOST OF THE TIME BECAUSE OF BECAUSE NOW WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO STAY WITHIN THE WINTER MONTHS AND WE HAVE A GOOD, YOU KNOW, PERIOD OF WINTER MONTHS. WE CAN WE CAN DO AND LIKE I SAY, THE MICRO SURFACING, THEY'RE DONE WITH ALL THESE THREE STREETS.

THEY'RE DONE WITHIN A WEEK.

IT'S JUST THE APPLICATION TIME, NOT THE REST OF THE TIME.

THE APPLICATION, THE APPLICATION IS QUICK APPLICATION.

THEY COULD DO A LOT OF STREETS AT A QUICK TIME FRAME.

AND LET'S SAY IF WE HAD TO, THEY COULD BRING MORE THAN ONE TRUCK AND SAY, CAN YOU TEST ONE MORE AREA FOR US? ON MINTON BETWEEN MALABAR AND JUPITER? THAT'S I HATE TO SAY THAT'S NOT ROAD THAT NEEDS TO BE ROAD REPAIR.

ALL RIGHT. THANKS.

YEAH. THANK YOU.

I DID WATCH THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING THE OTHER NIGHT.

YOU DISCUSSED WHAT THE CURRENT PROJECTED DEFICIT IS.

I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT NUMBER.

CAN YOU TELL YOU WHAT THAT NUMBER IS? THANK GOD I FORGOT.

I DIDN'T LIKE THE 50 MILLION RANGE.

56 MILLION? YEAH.

WHAT WHAT ARE YOU PROJECT.

THE DIFFERENCE IS BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE SAVINGS YOU PROJECT.

IF WE TAKE ON THE MICRO SURFACING.

VERY ROUGH.

I MEAN, UNTIL I GET YOUR ENDORSEMENT AND TILL I START RUNNING NUMBERS, I BECAUSE THINGS KEEP CHANGING, YOU KNOW, EVEN EVEN SINCE WE'VE STARTED THE PROGRAM TO NOW AND THEN, FROM NOW TO A YEAR FROM NOW, YOU KNOW, THE ROAD CONDITIONS ARE CHANGING BECAUSE WE'RE NOT OUT THERE PAVING THE STREETS.

THE LONGER WE WAIT, THE MORE THE ROADS BECOME.

AND NOT SO GREAT SHAPE.

SO THAT PCI INDEX GOES FROM 70 TO 60 TO 50.

AND THEN WE CAN'T USE MICRO SURFACING, BUT USING LAST YEAR'S ESTIMATES IF THE OPPORTUNITY IS STILL THERE TO GO BACK IN THESE PHASE FOUR AND FIVE, WE STILL HAVE GOOD PCI.

WE COULD PROBABLY SAVE 20 MILLION.

AND SPEAKING OF PIECES.

SO HOW OFTEN DO YOU UPDATE THE PCI INDEX? BECAUSE IT SHOULD BE DONE 3 TO 4 YEARS.

BUT BUT THE SITUATION WE HAD WAS DIFFERENT THAN MOST CITIES WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO 3 TO 4 YEARS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, MOST CITIES ONLY PAY, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE LUCKY TO PAY MAYBE 20, 50 MILES, YOU KNOW, LARGER COUNTIES, MAYBE A HUNDRED MILES, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING IN EIGHT YEARS, 800 MILES, THAT'S 100 MILES A YEAR THAT IS ABOVE THE AVERAGE CURVE FOR A CITY.

SO IN THAT, BECAUSE WE'RE DOING SO MUCH WHAT AND TO DO A PCI STUDY, YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND TWO, THREE, $400,000 TO DO IT CORRECTLY.

WE DID THAT 1 IN 20 1717.

AND SO WHEN WE STARTED THIS AND THEY SAID SHOULD WE DO ANOTHER ONE IN A FEW YEARS, LIKE, WHY DO YOU WANT TO SPEND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS?

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BECAUSE COUNCIL IS IT. WELL IT'S LIKE NO, NO, FORGET IT.

HOW MUCH ROADS CAN WE PAVE INSTEAD? I SAID, BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY IN THIS COMING YEAR, IF WE COME UP TO MAYBE NEXT YEAR BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE A LONGER STRETCH, MAYBE WE SHOULD WITH THE REMAINING YEAR, PHASE FIVE, MAYBE DO A QUICK PCI OF THE REMAINING STREETS.

BUT EARLY ON WHEN WE JUST DID ONE, TO DO ANOTHER ONE AND TO FIND OUT YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE THE SAME PRETTY MUCH PRETTY PICTURE BECAUSE IT'S A VIDEO CAMERA, CAMERA SHOTS OF YOUR THERE'S NO PHYSICAL TESTING.

IT'S ALL VISUALLY DONE BY A CAMERA.

AND YOU COULD GET THE HIGHER, HIGHER CLASS CAMERAS AND THE HIGHER CLASS EQUIPMENT, BUT THERE IS NO PHYSICAL TESTING OF THE MATERIAL.

THERE IS NO CORING, THERE'S NO NOTHING EXCEPT FOR VIDEO DRIVE OF THE STREETS.

AND IT'S PRETTY AS A PICTURE GETS AND MORE YOU CAN SEE IT, THERE IS NO WAY YOU COULD KNOW WHAT'S UNDER THE ROADWAY BECAUSE YOU DON'T CORE IT.

SO THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN, IS YOU'RE SPENDING THAT MUCH MONEY AND YOU'RE NOT EVEN CORING THE ROAD TO SEE WHAT'S UNDER IT.

HOW CAN YOU SPEND THAT MUCH? AND STILL, I'M SAYING, IN OUR SITUATION, SINCE WE HAVE THIS MONEY ALREADY ALLOCATED, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? UP. THE TAXPAYERS SAID, GO AHEAD AND JUST START PAVING PAY, YOU KNOW, AS FAST AS WE CAN PAVE OUR STREETS AS BEST WE CAN.

SO THAT WAY WE STAY AHEAD OF THE CURVE.

AND WE'VE BEEN DOING A GREAT JOB, LIKE I SAY.

BUT THE MORE WE WAIT, THE MORE THE ROAD IS GOING TO FALL APART.

SO IT GOES, THE MORE COSTS ARE GOING TO ESCALATE.

WITH THE WAY THE TIMES ARE, IT'S GOING TO COST MORE AND MORE AND MORE, AND THAT 56 MILLION IS GOING TO BECOME 66 MILLION, 76 MILLION.

SO THE FORTUNATE THING GIVEN TO US WAS THE TAXPAYERS UNDERSTOOD THAT AND GAVE US A BOND THAT SAYS, GET IT DONE AS FAST AS WE CAN.

I MEAN, THE ISSUE AT THE SAME TIME IS WE DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, AT ONE TIME THERE WAS A DISCUSSION, LET'S GET ONE CONTRACT TO DO IT ALL AT ONCE.

YOU DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT TOO, BECAUSE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN 20 YEARS OR LESS? IN TEN YEARS, THEN YOU GOT TO DO IT ALL AGAIN.

IT ALL COME BACK TOGETHER. YOU WANT TO DO IT IN A PHASED APPROACH AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.

HOPEFULLY BY OUR EIGHTH YEAR, WE'LL HAVE MET OUR ACCOMPLISHMENT AND AND HOPEFULLY PAVED AS MANY OF OUR STREETS OR ALL OF OUR STREETS UNDER THE ROAD PROGRAM.

HOPEFULLY, MAYBE IF WE NEED TO PROVIDE SOME SORT OF ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO MEET THOSE GOALS.

AND IF WE DON'T, MAYBE A COUPLE MORE YEARS TO FINISH IT, BUT AT LEAST WE'RE DOING IT IN A PHASED APPROACH.

YOU CAN'T DO 800 MILES IN A COUPLE OF YEARS, RIGHT? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE MICRO SURFACING? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE, ADDENDUM TO THE ROAD PAVING PROGRAM TO INCLUDE THE 6% MICRO SURFACING PROJECT PROPOSED BY, PUBLIC WORKS.

I SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE VOTE AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? I'M SEEING NONE. I VOTE I IN THAT MOTION, PASSES TO ENDORSE THE 6% MICRO SURFACING.

SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE SECOND PRESENTATION IS THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND CONSERVATION BLOCK GRANT.

AND THIS AGAIN IS FOR MR. WATANABE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

CHANGING TRACKS. TOTALLY.

NOW. JUST TO EDUCATE, YOU KNOW, THE US DOT, IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS UNDER THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALL THIS NEW GRANT MONEY, ROAD IMPROVEMENT GRANT MONEY.

YOU KNOW, HE'S HE'S RELEASED, YOU KNOW, FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE, LOTS OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF FUNDING SOURCES.

SO HERE'S A NEW ONE COMING OUT AGAIN.

BRAND NEW. NEVER HEARD OF THIS BEFORE.

IT'S CALLED ENERGY EFFICIENCY CONSERVATION BLOCK GRANT.

BRAND NEW ONE.

AND IF YOU LOOKED AT IT, IT WAS MEANT, I THINK ORIGINALLY IT WAS MEANT TO BE IN TERMS OF, PROJECTS FOR, YOU KNOW, REFURBISHING, FACILITIES AND BUILDINGS. IT WAS MEANT MORE IN THAT TERMS FOR ENERGY EFFICIENCY, LIKE, YOU KNOW, SWITCHING TO SOLAR POWER, MAKING YOUR HOUSE MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT, MAKING YOUR, OTHER, MECHANISM MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT.

IT WASN'T REALLY MEANT FOR ROADWAYS.

BUT AFTER THE FIRST YEAR, THEY MODIFIED IT AND THE NEW APPLICATION, IT OPENED UP THE, EFFICIENCY TO, TO OTHER PROJECTS BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER US DOT GRANTS THAT ARE PURELY FOR ROAD IMPROVEMENTS UNDER LIKE AIR QUALITY EFFICIENCY.

SO UNDER THIS SAME APPLICATION, THEY HAD ADDED A FEW MORE LINE ITEMS THAT SAID THESE ARE APPLICABLE APPLICATIONS.

AND ONE OF THEM WAS SIGNAL TIMING SYNCHRONIZATION.

SO WHEN THEY THREW THAT IN THERE WE WANT TO GO AFTER THAT GRANT MONEY NOW.

SO UNDER THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY CONSERVATION BLOCK GRANT WE WANT TO DO THE MALABAR PILOT SIGNALIZATION PROJECT.

AND SO LET ME LET ME HIGHLIGHT TO YOU THIS IS NOT THE FDOT PROJECT THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, FDOT, THIS DESIGN, OUR MALABAR SIGNAL SYSTEM, THIS IS GOING TO BE A PILOT SMALLER PROJECT. SO JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE FDOT AND THIS ONE.

SO AGAIN THIS IS WHAT THEY CALL A NEW GRANT FROM THE US DOT.

THE APPLICATION IS ACTUALLY DUE APRIL, BUT WE HAD TO GET AN EARLY SUBMITTAL BY INTO THIS MONTH BECAUSE WE WERE GOING UNDER WHAT THEY CALL A VOUCHER PROGRAM.

WHAT HAPPENED IS THEY EDUCATE YOU ALL.

THIS GRANT PROGRAM ALREADY DIVVIED UP SOME OF THE MONIES BASED ON EITHER YOUR POPULATION SIZE.

SO THEY HAVE WHAT THEY CALL A VOUCHER PROGRAM.

SO ALL THE CITY'S BROKEN DOWN.

AND THEN YOU GO ON THIS PAGE YOU CAN SEE WHAT YOUR VOUCHER WOULD WOULD BE IF YOU WENT AND APPLY FOR THE VOUCHER PROGRAM.

SO IN OTHER WORDS, YOU COULD APPLY FOR THE FULL GRANT AND TRY TO GO AFTER BIG BUCKS OR YOU GO AFTER THE VOUCHER PROGRAM.

AND HERE'S YOUR ALLOCATION.

AND OUR ALLOCATION WAS 160 AND 90 BUCKS.

SO WE SAID YOU KNOW WHAT PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE THAT MONEY HAS ALREADY BEEN SET ASIDE.

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LET'S GO OFF TO THE VOUCHER PROGRAM.

AND UNDER THE VOUCHER PROGRAM THEY HAD WHAT THEY CALL A BLUEPRINT.

SEVERAL TYPE OF BLUEPRINTS MEANS YOU PICK AND CHOOSE.

ONE OF THEM WAS THIS ENERGY EFFICIENCY FOR SIGNAL TIMING SYNCHRONIZATION.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING UNDER THAT PROGRAM.

YOU HAD TWO WAYS TO GO AFTER YOUR VOUCHER.

EITHER YOU GO AFTER IT WITH A FORMULA BASE OR YOU GO AFTER THAT, OR YOU GO AFTER USING EITHER TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE OR EQUIPMENT PURCHASES.

SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO USE THE FORMULA BASE WITH THE VOUCHER PROGRAM BECAUSE THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH THEY SAID IF YOU'RE UNDER $250,000, YOU WANT TO GO TO THE VOUCHER AND GET YOUR MONEY AND GO WITH IT.

SO WE WENT, SINCE WE'RE UNDER THE 250,000, WE WENT WITH THE VOUCHER AND WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH THE EQUIPMENT BECAUSE USING A TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A FEDERAL GRANT. SO UNDER THE FEDERAL GRANT THEY HAD A WHOLE LIST OF TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE.

SO AGAIN REMEMBER THIS WAS MEANT TO BE LIKE BUILDINGS.

AND SO THEY HAD A WHOLE LIST OF TECHNICAL SYSTEMS. NONE OF IT HAD TO DO WITH TRAFFIC SIGNALS OR TRAFFIC, ANY TYPE.

SO WE COULD USE THE TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE BECAUSE WE HAD TO USE ONE OF THEIR CAN.

CONSULTANTS. SO WE WENT WITH PURCHASING EQUIPMENT.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE WENT WITH.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE DID. WE PICKED OUT 80 INTERSECTIONS.

AND SO THIS KIND OF SUMMARIZES WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

SO WE PICKED THE MALABAR ROAD.

WHY. BECAUSE MALABAR ROAD IS ONE OF OUR MOST CONGESTED HEAVILY USED.

AND IT NEEDS TO BE SIGNALIZED.

AGAIN JUST A LITTLE HISTORY BEHIND YOU, CITY OF PALM BAY.

WE HAVE, I THINK, WHAT, ALMOST 30 INTERSECTIONS.

NONE OF THEM ARE COMMUNICATING TO EACH OTHER.

NONE OF THEM HAVE ANY TYPE OF SIGNAL SIGNALIZATION.

THEY'RE ALL FIXED BASE.

THEY'RE ALL ON THEIR OWN, EXCEPT FOR RECENTLY.

NOW WE HAVE MALABAR, MALABAR ROAD, EMERSON, VALOR AND WALMART HAVE A COMMUNICATION CABLE AND THEY'RE FIXED TIME BASE.

IT'S THE ONLY THREE INTERSECTIONS IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY THAT ARE COMMUNICATING.

NONE OF THE OTHER INTERSECTIONS ARE COMMUNICATING.

SO EVERYTHING IS BASED ON A FIXED TIME OR IT'S BASED WHAT THEY CALL FREE CONDITIONS.

AND IT WORKS PRETTY WELL. BUT YOU KNOW, AS WE GET CONGESTION AT MALABAR, CONTINUE TO GET MORE CROWDED.

YOU CAN'T DO THAT. WELL, THIS IS ATROCIOUS IN THE MORNING.

THIS IS THE WAY I GO TO WORK EVERY DAY.

AND JUST SO THAT, YOU KNOW, I'VE DONE SIGNAL TIMING A LONG TIME, I'VE JUST GIVE A I'VE SIGNAL TIME, YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS, HUNDREDS OF SIGNALS WHERE I CAME FROM, CALIFORNIA AND NOT JUST CALIFORNIA BEFORE I CAME HERE AND WHEN I WAS A CONSULTANT.

I WANT A CONTRACT FOR THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

FDOT AND I TIMED THE HUGE PROJECT DOWN IN SAINT LUCIE COUNTY, AND I TIMED ABOUT EIGHT SIGNALS ON US.

ONE THAT WENT FROM WENT FROM SAINT LUCIE ALL THE WAY UP TO FORT PIERCE.

SO SIGNAL TIMING IS DONE A LOT.

IT'S NOT ROCKET SCIENCE, BUT YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING IN THIS SITUATION.

AND WE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH AS WE HAVE BAD TRAFFIC.

WE'RE NOT THERE YET, BUT WE DO NEED TO HAVE A SYSTEM IN PLACE.

WHEN WE GET THERE, WE CAN STABILIZE THE TIMING, BE MORE EFFICIENT, SAVE ON FUEL, IMPROVE TRAVEL TIME, ALL THE ALL THE KUDOS THAT COMES WITH THE SIGNAL SYNCHRONIZATION.

SO WE PICK WHAT WE SHOW HERE IN BLUE.

WHAT'S SHOWN IN BLUE ARE OUR SIGNALS.

WHAT'S SHOWN IN GREEN ARE FDOT SIGNALS UNDER THEIR CONTROL.

SO AS YOU SEE, AS YOU GET CLOSE TO I-95, SAN FILIPPO, I-95, BABCOCK, THEY'RE THEIR OWN LITTLE GROUP RUN BY FDOT.

EVERYTHING ELSE IN BLUE IS OURS.

EVERYTHING ELSE IN BLUE DOESN'T COMMUNICATE EXCEPT FOR THE THREE THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW THAT ARE ON EMERSON, VALOR, AND WALMART.

SO THAT'S OUR PROJECT WE WANT TO DO IS WE WANT TO PROVIDE A SIGNAL SYNCHRONIZATION BY ADDING A MASTER CONTROLLER AT EMERSON, WHICH YOU NEED.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE A MASTER CONTROLLER TO RUN THE SYSTEM LIKE A PC.

AND THEN WE NEED TO HAVE FOR THE ONES THAT ARE NOT COMMUNICATING, PUT IT IN A WIRELESS COMMUNICATION.

VERY SIMPLE. THEY'RE VERY CHEAP.

SO IT'S A WIRELESS ANTENNA ANTENNAS THAT CONNECTS TO THE REMAINING SIGNALS TO THE MASTER THAT'S ALREADY TIED TO THREE OF THE SIGNALS.

SO THEN WE'LL HAVE A SYSTEM IN PLACE.

AND THAT'S THE PROJECT WE'RE LOOKING TO IMPLEMENT.

SO THAT'S THE OVERALL PROJECT IN A NUTSHELL AS I WENT THROUGH IT IN DETAIL.

AGAIN, THE THREE RIGHT THERE NEXT TO EMERSON WALMART, VALOR I ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE FDOT ONES.

AGAIN. THIS IS AGAIN TO IMPROVE THE CORRIDOR FOR THE AM AND PM.

AND JUST SO THAT YOU KNOW, AM AND PM WHEN I TALK ABOUT SIGNAL SIGNALIZATION, THOSE ARE WHAT YOU CALL A COORDINATED TIME PERIOD.

SO YOU CAN HAVE AM YOU CAN HAVE PM.

AS YOU GET LARGER CITIES, YOU HAVE THE NOON TIME, YOU HAVE A SATURDAY.

IF YOU GO TO BIG CITIES LIKE LA, THEY HAVE AM ONE, AM TWO BECAUSE WHAT THEIR AM PERIOD IT STARTS LIKE AT FIVE.

IT DOESN'T END TO LIKE ABOUT 11.

I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW WE HAVE OUR AM IS IS A 7 TO 8 MAYBE MAYBE 6 TO 8 LARGE CITIES.

NO THEY HAVE THEY HAVE BACKUPS OF THEIR AMS BECAUSE THEY HAVE SO MUCH TRAFFIC AND THEY HAVE BREAK UPS OF THEIR AFTERNOONS AND THEIR PMS. BUT YOU HAVE A SIGNAL SYSTEM PROGRAM THAT CAN HANDLE IT.

IT COULD DO THAT. AND THE GOOD THING IS, WITH THE NEW NEW TYPES OF CONTROLLERS AND THE NEW MASTER, THE CONTROLLER WILL KNOW WHEN THERE'S ERRORS, THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH CARS WHERE THEY CAN SENSE IT BASED ON DETECTION.

IT WILL GIVE MORE GREEN TIME TO THE BAND THAT NEEDS IT.

IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S READING EVERYTHING OFF THE DETECTORS.

SO IF THE QUEUES ARE POPPING UP ON ONE LEG AND NOT THE OTHER LEG, IT WOULD GIVE MORE GREEN TIME.

THESE CONTROLLERS ARE SMART.

THEY COULD THEY COULD DO IT AND THEN SYNC BACK INTO COORDINATION AGAIN BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING SECOND BY SECOND.

THEY'RE GOING CYCLE BY CYCLE.

AND I EDUCATE YOU EXACTLY WHAT I WANT TO SHOW YOU.

SIGNAL TIME IS IS A FIXED BASED SYSTEM.

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IT'S BASED ON WHAT YOU SEE HERE IN THE GREEN.

AND THE YELLOW IS BASED ON ON THE BOTTOM DISTANCE BASED ON TIME.

ALL OF THIS IS FIXED BASE AND IT'S BASED ON YOUR CYCLE BASED ON YOUR PHASES.

AND IT'S ALL OF THIS IS REAL BASIC STUFF, BUT IT GETS REALLY DETAILED WHEN YOU HAVE DIFFERENT LABS, DIFFERENT RIDES, HEAVY VOLUMES ON THE SIDE STREETS, PED TIMES.

AND SO AS YOU GET MORE INTO THE DETAILS OF THE CONTROLLERS, IT PLAYS A FACTOR.

BUT IT'S REALLY JUST BASICALLY A FIXED TIME BASE.

SO I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT YOU. IT'S NOT ROCKET SCIENCE, BUT THERE'S MORE TO IT AS YOU GET INTO IT.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO RIGHT NOW.

WE DON'T DO ANY OF THAT. THOSE LINES DON'T GO ALL THE WAY ACROSS RIGHT NOW.

THEY STOP AT EVERY SINGLE.

SO AGAIN, SIGNAL TIMING IN A NUTSHELL.

WE WANT TO DO THIS. WE WANT TO WORK ON, YOU KNOW, GETTING A PROGRAM THAT WILL TIGHTEN UP OUR PHASING OR CYCLE LANES AND OUR SPLITS.

WE WANT TO FINE TUNE THIS PROGRAM.

ONCE WE DEVELOP A SET OF TIMINGS, WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL USE THE MONEY TO PURCHASE THE EQUIPMENT.

DO THE GRANT HAVE HAD ALL IT ALL BECAUSE IT'S LIKE ANYTHING WE DON'T WANT.

TECHY STUFF. THEY INSTALL IT, THEY WARRANTY IT, THEY MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS RUNNING.

AND THEN WHAT WE'LL DO, PROBABLY WITHIN OUR OWN FUNDS.

THE MOST IMPORTANT THING OF SIGNAL, TIMING, DATA, AND MOST IMPORTANT THING IS YOU NEED TO HAVE THE RIGHT DATA TERM COUNTS.

YOU GOT TO GO OUT THERE AND DO TERM COUNTS.

EVERY PROJECT I'VE DONE SUCCESSFULLY, LIKE THE ONE I JUST DID A FEW WHEN I BEFORE I GOT HERE ON US, ON US ONE, WHICH WAS AN FDOT CONTRACT.

I SPENT MORE MONEY ON COLLECTING THE DATA BECAUSE THE DATA MADE THE HUGE SUCCESS.

THE RIGHT DATA TELLS YOU WHAT'S GOING ON IN.

THE SECOND PART OF IT IS FINE TUNING IT.

AFTER YOU'RE DONE WITH THE SYSTEM, YOU RUN THE SYSTEM BACK AND FORTH WITH A FLOATING CAR.

THEY CALL IT A FLOATING CAR, BUT YOU HAVE A COMPUTER THAT RUNS IT ALL THAT TELLS YOU IF YOU MET YOUR GOALS, BECAUSE IN SIGNAL TIME, A FEW SECONDS MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE.

THAT'S ALL YOU DO. YOU JUST FINE TUNE IT AND THEN YOU HAVE A GOOD SYSTEM AND THAT'S ALL.

THAT'S BASICALLY THE SIGNAL TIMING IS.

AND WE NEED TO DO THAT FOR MALABAR ROAD AND EVENTUALLY FOR ALL OUR SIGNALS.

BUT JUST JUST IN A NUTSHELL, THIS IS OUR PILOT PROJECT.

SO I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT WITHIN OUR PILOT PROJECT, I GOT THIS FROM THE TPO AGAIN, BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS ALWAYS TIED ON NOT JUST CAPACITY, NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, TRAVEL TIME IMPROVEMENTS, BUT ALSO TO HELP REDUCE, YOU KNOW, OUR INCIDENTS AND CRASHES.

AGAIN, HERE WE GO. 2023 OUR HIGHEST TWO INTERSECTION.

THIS IS COUNTY WIDE TWO. THIS IS COUNTY WIDE MATCH.

LOOK MALABAR I MEAN LOOK PALM BAY WE HAVE TWO REDS RIGHT THERE EMERSON AT MALABAR AND ELDORADO AT MALABAR.

BAM. TWO HIGH LOCATIONS POPS UP.

THIS IS A COUNTY WIDE MAP.

AGAIN WE NEED TO FIX OUR CORRIDOR.

SO JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT, YOU KNOW, WHEN I GO TO THESE REGIONAL MEETINGS I SEE THIS.

IT KIND OF GOES, OH MAN, YOU KNOW, HOW COME TITUS DOESN'T HAVE THAT? HOW COME MELBOURNE DOESN'T HAVE THAT? YOU DON'T SEE ANY RED MARKS IN MELBOURNE BECAUSE WE HAVE SYNCHRONIZED SIGNALS.

WE DO, WE DO.

YOU DO. YEAH. SO I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, SO YOU KNOW SOMETHING.

WHERE DO WE WANT TO GO FROM HERE.

WE WANT TO APPLY FOR THIS GRANT I'M PRESENTING THIS TO YOU.

WE'VE ALREADY SUBMITTED.

YES, SIR. I'M LOOKING AT THE PREVIOUS REPORT.

IS IT SAYING THAT BETWEEN MALABAR AND EMERSON AND AND MALABAR, WE HAVE 345 REPORTED ACCIDENTS LAST YEAR.

AGAIN THIS I BORROWED THIS, SORRY I BORROWED OH I'M SORRY.

IT'S AT THE INTERSECTION OF MALABAR AND EMERSON, RIGHT? YEAH. SO NOT AT THE INTERSECTION ITSELF.

YEAH. YEAH, THAT ONE RIGHT THERE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I PULLED THIS FROM A VARD COUNTY TPO PRESENTATION, SO I DON'T I MEAN, I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE WHERE THEY GOT THE NUMBERS.

THIS CAME FROM THEIR REPORT.

OKAY. SO AGAIN I APOLOGIZE.

I JUST TOOK IT FROM THERE BECAUSE IT WAS KIND OF SHOCKING FOR ME TO SEE, YOU KNOW, OUR TWO ELDERON AND AND EMERSON ON THIS MAP ON MALABAR ROAD.

AND I SAY THIS AND, AND WE VALIDATED IT.

WE NEED TO LOOK AT THOSE INTERSECTIONS.

I MEAN, IT SAYS I-95 TO US.

192. WE HAVE 1093 REPORTED CRASHES.

YEAH. AGAIN, I BORROWED THIS FROM THE TPR.

I DIDN'T GET INTO THE DETAILS.

NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS REPORT IS, IS REPORTING THAT THIS IS THE AMOUNT OF CRASHES WE HAVE WITHIN THAT STRETCH AND WITHIN THIS DOCUMENT SAYS, AGAIN, I DON'T I DON'T HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE BEHIND IT.

YES, I THINK IT'S THE NUMBER.

IT'S THE NUMBER OF CRASHES, THE NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS.

I THINK YOU'RE CORRECT.

THIS IS A SEVERITY SCORE PER YEAR.

YEAH. AND I THINK THAT'S BASED OFF THE NUMBER OF INCIDENTS.

VEHICLE CRASH BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE I'VE SEEN THIS REPORT BEFORE.

OKAY, I COULD BE WRONG, BUT NO, I THINK YOU'RE CORRECT.

I CAN'T VALIDATE BECAUSE I DIDN'T GET INTO THE DETAIL.

I JUST PULLED IT. OF ALL THE STUFF I ALWAYS GET FROM THE TPO.

THIS ONE KIND OF CAUGHT MY EYE.

OR US ONE AND EAU GALLIE BOULEVARD USED TO BE.

AT THE TOP OF THE LIST, AND IT'S NOT EVEN ON HERE.

AGAIN, THIS DOESN'T REALLY REFLECT THE TRUE ANNUAL CRASH DATABASE.

I THINK THIS WAS DONE ON A PROJECT.

THEY DID AGAIN, I REMEMBER, BUT AGAIN, THIS KIND OF JUST CAUGHT MY EYE.

I THOUGHT THIS WAS A RECENT ONE.

JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO THEY PRESENTED AT A TPO MEETING, SO I TOOK IT.

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HE BORROWED IT.

IT'S PUBLIC INFORMATION.

SO AGAIN, WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? WE WANT TO GET YOUR ENDORSEMENT. JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT AGAIN THIS PROJECT IS NOT THE ORIGINAL FDOT PROJECT.

WE HAVE THREE FDOT PROJECTS THAT THEY HELPED DESIGN ITS FOR.

AND AGAIN WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SAY, WELL WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 162 TO WHAT FRANK SHOWED TO THIS RIGHT HERE.

MALABAR ROAD THAT HAS A $3.5 MILLION.

THAT $3.5 MILLION IS THE IS NOT THE CADILLAC, BUT IS THE REAL PROJECT.

THAT PROJECT WILL INSTALL FIBER OPTIC COMMUNICATION FROM END TO END, WHICH WOULD BE FROM I-95 ALL THE WAY TO SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY.

HAVE THAT CAPACITY TO ADD NEW CONTROLLERS, NOT THE ONES WE HAVE OUT THERE.

SO IN OTHER WORDS, INSTEAD OF USING SOME OLD FASHIONED SAMSUNG'S, THIS WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IPHONE 20.

SO WE WANT TO GET THE IPHONE 20 CONTROLLERS ON ALL THE CABINETS, UPGRADE ALL OUR CABINETS, AND AT THE SAME TIME INSTALL THE SYSTEM THAT HAS.

ALSO, NOT ONLY ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THE SIGNAL TIMINGS, WE'RE GOING TO INSTALL CCTV CAMERAS SO WE CAN SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.

SO ALL THE INTERSECTIONS WILL HAVE CAMERAS.

SO ALL THOSE COMPONENTS EQUALS UP TO THAT $3 MILLION.

SO WE'LL HAVE A TRUE SYSTEM THAT WILL TIE INTO THE BREVARD COUNTY SYSTEM.

THAT WILL TIE IT INTO THE FDOT SYSTEM.

SO THIS WOULD BE A REGIONAL TMC AND A REGIONAL SIGNAL TIMING SYSTEM, NOT JUST THIS TEMPORARY PILOT PROJECT, WHICH WILL HELP US GET ALONG RIGHT NOW, BUT WE WANT TO BE TIED INTO THE REGIONAL SYSTEM THAT HAS ALL THE BELLS AND WHISTLES THAT THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW, WHICH WE ARE WAY SHORT FROM RIGHT NOW.

LIKE I SAY, EVEN MELBOURNE HAS SYSTEM.

THEIR SYSTEM IS RUNNING.

WE DON'T. SO THAT'S WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS BETWEEN 100 AND 60 K AND THE 3.5.

AND WE ALSO THEY DESIGNED SAN FILIPPO AND EMERSON FOR US AS WELL.

THIS IS ALL GRANT FUNDED.

SO DESIGN IS DONE.

SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO AFTER THIS COMING YEAR THE MONEY FOR THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE.

BUT SINCE WE HAVE THIS VOUCHER PROGRAM THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN WAS AVAILABLE FOR US, I HATE TO GIVE AWAY MONEY.

SO THE MONEY IS THERE. LET'S GO OFF TO THIS VOUCHER PROGRAM, WHICH WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO SO FOR SIGNAL TIMING.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE APPLYING FOR.

SO ARE YOU. YOU'RE DOING A VOUCHER OR A FULL GRANT APPLICATION.

JUST A VOUCHER FOR THE 160 90 OKAY.

BUT THOSE ARE DUE IN APRIL NOT FEBRUARY.

WE'VE ALREADY SUBMITTED THIS.

LET YOU KNOW WE'VE ALREADY IT WAS DUE AT THE END OF THIS MONTH.

SO I'M JUST PROVIDING YOU THE BACKGROUND BEHIND WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW OKAY.

BECAUSE WE HAD A SHORT TIME FRAME, THE ACTUAL APPLICATION BEING SUBMITTED FOR THE ACTUAL APPLICATION IS DUE IN APRIL.

OKAY. AND NOW I KNOW THIS THIS PARTICULAR GRANT REQUIRES AN ENERGY CONSERVATION STRATEGY PLAN.

DOES THE CITY ALREADY HAVE THAT? IT'S TIED IN WITH OUR SIGNAL TIMING.

YES. AND IT'S TIED IN WITH THE WE HAD A WHAT THEY CALL A TIME, BUT IT'S CONSIDERED LIKE AN ENERGY CONSERVATION WITH THE SIGNAL TIME IMPROVEMENTS.

BUT OKAY. YEAH.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE'LL TAKE A MOTION ON THAT ONE? YES, SIR. I'M JUST CURIOUS.

CAN. I MEAN, ONE OF THE WORST AREAS ALONG MALABAR ROAD IS OUT TOWARD THE HIGH SCHOOL DURING MORNING RUSH HOUR AND AFTERNOON RUSH HOUR.

WHAT'S THE COST TO EXTEND THIS TO THE LIGHT AT JUPITER AND THE LIGHT, THE UPCOMING LIGHT OUT AT EMERSON.

AND WAS THIS INCLUDED IN THAT UPCOMING LIGHT OR.

EXCUSE ME? THE PARKWAY IN MALABAR WAS THIS TYPE OF SYSTEM INCLUDED IN WHEN WE REDESIGNED THAT.

THE ULTIMATE IS THE 3.5 WILL HAVE THE SIGNAL SYSTEM ALL THE WAY OUT TO, SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY.

BUT AGAIN, REMEMBER THE SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY, YOU KNOW, FROM THE C10 OUT TO SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY.

THAT'S THE COUNTY WE ARE GOING TO BE INSTALLING.

AND, IN IN AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY, WE'RE GOING TO INSTALL A SIGNAL OUT THERE AT SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY, WHICH I BELIEVE THEY'RE GOING TO ALLOW US TO HELP, RUN THAT SIGNAL. BUT IT'LL BE A COUNTY SIGNAL UNTIL SUCH TIME WE TAKE ON THE OWNERSHIP OF THAT CORRIDOR.

THAT'S RIGHT. BUT WE ARE RIGHT NOW WORKING TO INSTALL A SIGNAL ON COUNTY RIGHT OF WAY.

SO AGAIN, THAT'S A COUNTY SIGNAL, YOU KNOW, NO DIFFERENT IF YOU GO TO THAT PART OF BABCOCK, THE SOUTHERN PART WHERE WE TOOK ON THE OWNERSHIP OF THE INTERSECTION AT BABCOCK AND SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY.

THE ONE DOWN THERE UP THE STREET AT MIRA LOMA, IS STILL THE COUNTY THAT THEY'RE HOPEFULLY GOING TO INSTALL SOON.

UNTIL SUCH TIME WE TAKE ON OWNERSHIP, THEY BELONG TO THE OWNERSHIP OF THE RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH IS THE COUNTY.

IT WAS ALL I HAD. IF HE'S LOOKING FOR A MOTION, I'D MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

WELL, HE HE.

YOU SAID YOU'VE ALREADY SUBMITTED, CORRECT? YEAH, BUT WE STILL LIKE THE ENDORSEMENT.

LIKE, SAY, FOR ALWAYS, I APOLOGIZE.

WE JUST HAD TO GET THE APPLICATION IN.

I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS A SHORTER TIME FRAME BECAUSE OF THE VOUCHER.

WHEN I DID THIS APPLICANT DID THIS PRESENTATION.

ALL I SAW WAS THE MATERIAL WAS GIVEN TO ME THROUGH THE DOT APPLICATION PROCESS.

AND THEY HAD THAT APRIL AND IT'S STILL GOOD.

SO IT'S APRIL, IT'S THE DUE DATE FOR SUBMITTING AN APPLICATION.

MR.. WHATNOT. YEAH, I LIKE WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH THAT.

FOR THE VOUCHERS, WILL YOU BE SUBMITTING FOR SOME MORE VOUCHERS, MAYBE, FOR SOME LIGHTING IN THE DARK AREAS OF PALM BAY? YEAH, WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS COMES AROUND NEXT YEAR.

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I'M GOING TO LOOK AT THE LIGHTING BECAUSE WE COULD HAVE USED IT IN THE LIGHTING.

HERE AGAIN IS YOU KNOW IT'S CONSIDERED ENERGY EFFICIENT.

SO SO IN OTHER WORDS THEY'RE GOING TO WANT YOU TO HAVE EXISTING LIGHTS YOU COULD REPLACE WITH LIKE LED LIGHTS.

YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING. SO THEY'RE TRYING TO BE YOU KNOW THIS IS AN ENERGY EFFICIENCY.

SO SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE YOU'RE GOING TO IMPROVE ON LIKE OUR SIGNAL TIMING.

WE HAVE SIGNAL TIMERS.

THEY DON'T REALLY THEY'RE NOT SYNCHRONIZED.

SO WE'RE WASTING A LOT OF TIME BECAUSE PEOPLE HIT THE RED.

THEY SIT THERE IDLE.

YOU HAVE YOU KNOW WHEN YOU'RE IDLING CO2 EMISSION POLLUTION.

THERE YOU GO. ENERGY EFFICIENCY DOWN THE DRAIN.

SO SAME WITH LIGHTING RIGHT NOW IF WE HAVE STREET LIGHTS THAT ARE USING INCANDESCENT BULBS, YOU WANT TO SWITCH THEM OUT TO LED BULBS TO BE MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT.

BUT IF YOU SAY, I WANT TO INSTALL A WHOLE BUNCH OF STREET LIGHTS ON A DARK STREET, THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, SORRY, WHERE'S THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY? YOU GOT TO HAVE SOMETHING THERE FIRST TO SAVE ON THE ENERGY.

SO I MEAN, EVEN THOUGH SOLAR ONE, I AGREE WITH YOU, WE HAVE A LOT OF DARK STREETS THAT WE NEED TO GET LIT, BUT THIS ONE IS MADE TO BE FOR ENERGY EFFICIENCY.

MEANING THERE'S GOT TO BE SOMETHING THERE TO IMPROVE ON.

OKAY, I HOPE THEY DO THIS PROGRAM EVERY YEAR.

THEY DID IT A COUPLE YEARS AGO, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, AND THEN THEY BROUGHT IT BACK THIS YEAR.

SO I HOPE THEY MAKE THIS AN ANNUAL.

REBECCA I AGREE, THEY SAY IT'S A FIVE YEAR PROGRAM.

BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE I SAY IT COMES AND GOES.

YEAH, IT'S VERY INTERMITTENT.

BUT I HOPE THEY MAKE IT AN ANNUAL I DO TOO.

YEAH. BUT WITH THE NEW ELECTION NEXT YEAR, I DON'T SEE A LOT OF THESE GRANTS COMING BACK.

YES, SIR. GO AHEAD.

BILL BATTEN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

BEFORE YOU VOTED ON THIS ONE, I WAS TRYING TO SAY, IS THE NEW CITY GRANT COORDINATOR THE ONE THAT THEY JUST CONSIDERED HIRING? IS THAT INDIVIDUAL ALSO GOING TO BE WORKING WITH YOU IN YOUR OFFICE FOR OVERALL GRANTS, OR ARE THEY GOING TO BE CENTERING? YOU KNOW, I IF I'M PAYING SOMEBODY SEARCHING FOR GRANTS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THIS IS, GRANT APPLICATION, ARE THEY GOING TO BE WORKING WITH PUBLIC WORKS ON THIS ALSO? ARE THEY GOING TO BE WORKING? I DON'T KNOW, IN PUBLIC WORKS.

SO I BELIEVE THAT PERSON IS GOING TO BE HELPING DO A LOT OF THESE GRANTS.

BUT I THINK FROM WHAT I HEARD AND I KNOW FROM MR. VALENTINO, OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, YOU KNOW, HE WANTS TO MAKE SURE WE SHARE THAT GRANT PERSON.

SO HE'S GOING TO WORK WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS WORRIED ABOUT.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

WE HAD A MOTION.

DID WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? WE HAVE A SECOND. OKAY.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I'M SEEING NONE. I VOTE I IN THAT MOTION PASSES.

SO NEXT WE'RE MOVING ON TO NUMBER THREE, AN UPDATE ON THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEE BALANCE PER ZIP CODE.

AND THAT'S MISS CHRISTINE SULLIVAN.

THANK YOU.

THE BOARD REQUESTED IMPACT FEE BALANCES FOR EACH OF THE NEXUSES, AND I HAVE PREPARED THAT FOR YOU.

AND YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION IN FRONT OF YOU.

I'M AFRAID I DON'T HAVE IT ON THE COMPUTER SCREEN FOR YOU TO LOOK AT, BUT I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

IT'S LISTED BY NEXUS, WITH A CURRENT BALANCE REMAINING THAT IS UNENCUMBERED AND UNALLOCATED.

AND THEN I DO HAVE A LISTING OF PROJECTS BENEATH EACH OF THOSE NEXUSES.

SO YOU'RE AWARE OF WHAT IS, WHAT THE FUNDS ARE BEING UTILIZED FOR? ANY QUESTIONS FOR CHRISTINE? YOU KNOW. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M SEEING NONE.

THANKS FOR THAT INFORMATION.

THAT'S GREAT. SO NEXT WE'LL MOVE ON TO AGENDA REQUESTS FOR FUTURE MEETINGS.

ANY AGENDA REQUESTS? NONE. NO, BUT I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. WATANABE. AND A QUESTION.

SORRY. NO.

YOU'RE OKAY. JUST A QUICK QUESTION.

I KNOW THIS IS PRETTY RANDOM.

INFRASTRUCTURE FOR OUT BY SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY, WHERE 95 IS.

DO WE HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE TO POSSIBLY, TRY TO VENTURE OUT TO GET, LIKE, WAREHOUSING OR INDUSTRIAL? INTO PALM BAY ON THAT SIDE OF THE TOWN? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ONE DOWN SOUTH? YES. SO THE THE NEW EXIT? PRETTY MUCH. YEAH. JUST JUST TO HIGHLIGHT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THE INTERCHANGE AND THEN THE AREA AROUND IT, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S CURRENTLY STILL UNDER WHAT THEY CALL EMERALD LAKES.

THAT WAS THE PLANNED URBAN PLANNED URBAN DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS PLANNED TO GO AS PART OF THAT, INTERCHANGE.

AND THAT'S STILL MOVING FORWARD.

THE LAST WE HEARD WAS THE THE ORIGINAL OWNER OF EMERALD LAKES, IS LOOKING TO, SELL IT TO ANOTHER DEVELOPER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, WITH HIS GOAL.

AND HIS VISION WAS TO, YOU KNOW, PUT IN THE, CRYSTAL LAGOON AND THE, ALL THE AMENITIES AND THE HOTEL AND EVERYTHING.

BUT AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE TRANSITION RIGHT NOW, WE'RE NOT SURE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THAT PUD, BUT THE WHAT WAS MOVING FORWARD, YOU KNOW, HE'S GOT HIS,

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PERMITS ALREADY. HE GOT HIS 404.

SO HE, SO HE'S MOVING FORWARD.

HE CAN MOVE FORWARD. BUT RIGHT NOW, I BELIEVE HE'S WANTED TO SELL THE EMERALD LAKES.

AND PART OF THAT MAKES THE FIRST PHASE WAS THE PHASE WHERE YOU HAD SOME, SOME, RESIDENTIAL AND, OF COURSE, THE HOTEL AND ALL THE COMMERCIAL, BUT TO THE EAST OF IT, AS IT GOES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF I-95 ON THE EAST SIDE, WHICH YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, HE WAS HOPING TO PLAN TO MAKE THAT MORE OF A, LIKE I SAY, NOT JUST LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, BUT THERE WERE SOME LIGHT INDUSTRIAL HE WAS TRYING TO PROMOTE MORE IN TERMS OF LIKE A MEDICAL FACILITIES, TYPE OF, OF A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, YOU KNOW, TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, YOU TRY TO THEME INTO ONE TYPE OF INDUSTRY.

SO YOU KIND OF GROUPED TOGETHER, I BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, THE SPACE COAST HAS A LOT MORE IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, SPACE COAST IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, TECHNOLOGIES BASED ON, AVIATION, YOU KNOW, THAT TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, BACKGROUND, SLIGHTLY, YOU KNOW, SATELLITES, YOU KNOW, MAYBE COULD BE, YOU KNOW, NATIONAL DEFENSE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, IN THAT BALLPARK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT FOCUSING MORE TOWARDS, LIKE, AUTO MANUFACTURING, BUT, YOU KNOW, IN A SIMILAR REALM BECAUSE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE KENNEDY SPACE CENTER AND WE HAVE ALL THOSE ACTIVITIES WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HARRIS HERE ALREADY, AND YOU HAVE ALL THE OTHER ONES UP THERE.

AND MELBOURNE, YOU WANT TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, STAY CLOSE TO THAT CORE GROUP OF, INDUSTRY.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT AREA LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT COULD BE IDEAL FOR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL OVER SOME SORT OF A INDUSTRIAL BASE, BUT ORIGINAL ONE THAT MISTER PALLUZZI WANTED TO DO WAS MORE OF A MEDICAL BASE.

AND THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A HUGE FUTURE NEED FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR OUR, I HATE TO SAY, OUR COUNTRY, BECAUSE WE'RE ALL GETTING OLD.

SO A LOT OF PLACES THEY LOOK TO EXPAND, MAKE IT MORE OF A MEDICAL FACILITY TYPE OF INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO THAT, AGAIN, I'M NOT A PLANNER.

I JUST KNOW THERE ON THAT EAST SIDE, IT'S ALL BEEN, ZONED FOR, COMMERCIAL.

A LOT OF IT'S FOR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

BUT WHO'S TO SAY? YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? WHAT IF IT COMES IN? WHAT IF IT COMES IN? JUST, YOU KNOW, THE BIGGEST DEFICIENCY WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW RIGHT NOW IS, YOU KNOW, OUR BIGGEST CONCERN WHY NOTHING'S HAPPENING IS, YOU KNOW, OUR WATER AND SEWER, YOU KNOW, WITH WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW, AS YOU GUYS GO DOWN THERE, PUBLIX, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ABOUT READY TO GO VERTICAL.

THAT'S IT. THAT PUBLIX TAPS OUT ALL THE REMAINING AVAILABLE WATER AND SEWER WE HAVE FOR THAT AREA.

SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY I DON'T YOU SEE A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, BIG DEVELOPMENTS, HATE SAY YOU DON'T SEE IT BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE WATER SEWER.

I MEAN, THAT'S GOING TO CRIPPLE US.

YOU GUYS. I DON'T WANT TO GO INTO ANYBODY'S THUNDER AND CHRIS LITTLE, BUT YOU KNOW, AS A AS A CIVIL ENGINEER, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I THINK OUR CITY MANAGER KNOWS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S GOING TO HURT US REAL FAST, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW EVERYBODY'S RACING AGAIN TRYING TO GET THINGS FOR, YOU KNOW, THINGS CHANGE.

AND WE'RE GOING TO BE STOPPING SOON BECAUSE THEIR SEWER AND WATER.

WITH, AND THIS INCLUDED THE NEW PLANT, YOU GUYS.

THIS INCLUDES THE NEW PLANT BEING BUILT RIGHT NOW.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT THOSE FUTURE EXPANSIONS, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO THINK WAY AHEAD.

HOW ARE WE GOING TO FIGURE THIS OUT? YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OUR OTHER COUNTERPARTS ARE THERE MOVING FORWARD AND THEY'RE BUILDING LIKE CRAZY BECAUSE THEY'RE BEING MORE INNOVATIVE, YOU KNOW, THAN HAVING A CENTRALIZED PLANT. YOU COULD BUILD A SMALLER MICRO PLANTS, YOU COULD BUILD OTHER TYPES OF FACILITIES.

SO THAT WAY YOU COULD EXPAND YOUR FACILITIES AND NOT HAVE TO HOLD BACK ON YOUR COMMERCIAL.

AND JUST BECAUSE THE PROBLEM IS ON THOSE COMMERCIAL LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE FLUSHING.

IT'S YOUR HEAT. SAY IT'S YOUR FIRE PROTECTION, IT'S THE FIRE LINES.

IT'S THE FIRE PROTECTION. YOU GOT TO HAVE HUGE, YOU KNOW, GALLONS PER MINUTE TO MEET THAT BUILDING CODE THRESHOLD TO HAVE FIRE PROTECTION, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE RUNNING SPRINKLERS FULLY CHARGED, FULLY LOADED.

THAT MEANS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A LARGE AMOUNT OF WATER.

AND THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THOSE CITIES GUESS WHAT? YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO SEE THEM, BUT YOU SEE WATER EVERYWHERE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT WATER THERE BUT PRESSURIZED.

AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT.

WE DON'T HAVE I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY WATER.

WE, YOU KNOW, I HATE SAY, YOU KNOW, I JUST, YOU KNOW, I COME FROM DOWN IN RIVER COUNTY.

WE HAVE LOTS OF WATER TOWERS. BUT GUESS WHAT? WE BUILT LIKE CRAZY DOWN THERE.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T SEE IT HERE.

SO THAT'S JUST MY I'M JUST THROWING OUT THERE.

OUR HUGEST ISSUE IS GOING TO BE OUR WATER AND SEWER, NOT THE ROADS.

YOU KNOW, AS YOU TALK ABOUT DEVELOPMENT, IT'S GOING TO BE BECAUSE TO MEET WHAT WE WANT TO HAVE FOR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL WATER AND SEWER.

OKAY. AND THEN, MY OTHER QUESTION.

DID WE NEED TO VOTE, FOR THAT RECOMMENDATION FOR FRANK TO TAKE IT BACK THAT YOU HAD, SUGGESTED TOM.

VIRGIL FOR THE ABOUT THE UTILITIES.

OVERSIGHT. OH, I WOULD SAY YOU BRING THAT UP AS YOUR OWN INDIVIDUAL.

IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND WHAT TOM TALKED ABOUT.

I MEAN, I'M JUST THROWING OUT THERE YOU AS A BOARD ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, AS AN BRING IT BACK AS AN AGENDA ITEM.

YOU CAN'T VOTE ON IT TODAY.

RECOMMEND TO BRING IT BACK AS AN AGENDA ITEM.

VOTE ON IT. AND THEN YOU HAVE THE POWER TO DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO. OR MAYBE YOU HAVE CHRIS COME AND GIVE IT A PRESENT, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? BUT MAKE IT AS AN AGENDA ITEM SO YOU CAN MAKE AN ACTION ON IT.

OKAY. AND LAST QUESTION.

GROWTH MANAGEMENT, I KNOW THAT WE WERE TRYING TO THAT'S ONE OF THE DEPARTMENTS THAT WE WERE TRYING TO GET THEM TO COME IN TO DO, PRESENTATION OF SOME SORT.

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YEAH. AND I APOLOGIZE.

YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING, YOU KNOW, OUR GROWTH MANAGER AT THE TIME, WE HAD, A CHANGE OF LEADERSHIP.

YOU KNOW, WE HAD, ALEX THERE, AND THEN WE HAD JESSE THERE.

AND CURRENTLY NOW WE HAVE ALISA FRAZIER.

AND SHE'S BEEN DOING A GREAT JOB BECAUSE SHE'S STILL KIND OF NEW.

I'VE BEEN WANTING TO HOLD OFF AND, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE SHE'S GOT SO MUCH ON HER PLATE AND SHE LOST A LOT OF HER STAFF.

I DON'T WANT TO OVERBURDEN HER RIGHT NOW TO SAY, HEY, COME ON DOWN, GIVE US A PRESENTATION WHICH SHE'S TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, GET HER HEAD UP ABOVE THE WATER.

SO I STILL HAVE THAT AS A RECOMMENDATION TO HAVE SOMEONE FROM GROWTH MANAGEMENT PROVIDE YOU AN UPDATE.

BUT BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S SUCH A THEY'RE SHORT ON STAFF.

THEY'VE GOT SO MUCH GOING ON, I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO, JUST, YOU KNOW, INUNDATE HER WITH A BUNCH OF OTHER STUFF RIGHT NOW.

AS THINGS MOVE ON THIS YEAR, WE'LL MAKE SURE WE'LL AGENDIZE HER TO GIVE A PRESENTATION.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S ON THE AGENDA ON MY HEAD.

BUT BECAUSE THEIR THEIR STAFF SHORTAGE AND SHE'S NEW, I JUST DON'T WANT TO OVERBURDEN HER.

MAKES SENSE. UNDERSTOOD.

THANK YOU. SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE A RECOMMENDATION TO I MEAN, I GUESS IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A MOTION MY, MY MOTION WOULD BE TO MAKE A, TO PUT IT BEFORE THE NEXT OUR NEXT MEETING WITH TWO OPTIONS, ONE BEING TO REINSTATE THE UTILITIES ADVISORY BOARD AND THE OTHER ONE TO MOVE THAT RESPONSIBILITY TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE ADVISORY BOARD AS A SECONDARY OPTION.

SO I THINK, GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES, THAT IT SHOULD BE ITS OWN BOARD AND STAND WITH SO THAT, I MEAN, IT TOOK ME A LONG TIME TO COME UP TO SPEED ON ROADS AND THIS INFRASTRUCTURE, TO GET UP TO SPEED ON UTILITIES AND TAKE AS LONG.

SO MY QUESTION IS THE ITEM THAT YOU WOULD LIKE ON THE NEXT AGENDA.

THAT'S TO DISCUSS MAKING A REQUEST OF CITY COUNCIL TO DO THAT.

BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS BOARD HAS THE ABILITY TO JUST TAKE ON KNOW.

HERE'S MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE YOU WANT TO RECOMMEND ON THE NEXT AGENDA TO PLACE THE THE UTILITY ADVISORY COURT UNDER YOUR DISCUSSION AND THAT UNDER THE DISCUSSION TO HAVE MAYBE SAYS THESE OPTIONS AND THEN TO THEN TO HAVE COUNCIL WEIGH IN TO SEE IF THEY'LL ALLOW YOU TO HAVE THAT AS PART OF YOUR DUTIES AND TASKS AS YOUR BOARD.

SO THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS JUST TO GET THAT SENSE, GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES WITH UTILITIES AND WHAT WE'RE FACING AND THE CITIZENS NOT TO HAVE ANY OVERSIGHT OVER THAT, IT'S JUST WRONG.

I UNDERSTAND, BUT I'M JUST GOING BY THE BOOK AND YOU COULD YOU COULD AGENDIZE THEM TO TALK ABOUT.

YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION AND YOU COULD YOU COULD VOTE TO APPROVE SOMETHING.

BUT THIS WILL REQUIRE COUNCIL ACTION.

CORRECT. RIGHT. SO WE'RE JUST BECAUSE YOU ASKED FOR AGENDA ITEM REQUESTS SO THAT I WILL ADD IT.

OKAY. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED A MOTION TO ADD IT.

DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS? I THINK THAT'S SUFFICIENT.

OKAY. THAT'S FINE. AND COULD YOU INCLUDE IN THAT JUST SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON WHY THE UTILITY ADVISORY BOARD WAS DISSOLVED? BECAUSE IT HERE'S MY SUGGESTION.

I WOULD SINCE WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THIS ITEM TO DISCUSS THE UTILITY ADVISORY BOARD, TO HAVE THE UTILITY DEPARTMENT PROVIDE A PRESENTATION.

THAT WOULD BE EXCELLENT IF WE COULD GET HIM TO ATTEND.

GREAT. SO, SO.

MAYBE IF THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD LIKE IF MR. LITTLE FOR SOME REASON IS NOT AVAILABLE BY THE NEXT MEETING, MAYBE THE FOLLOWING MEETING, I'D RATHER I BELIEVE HE NOW HAS.

HE'S GOT A HE'S GOT A DEPUTY.

HE'S GOT A UTILITIES ENGINEER.

OKAY. I THINK IT'S YOUR BOARD.

IT'S YOUR DECISION TO PLACE IT ON THE AGENDA.

WE'LL MAKE IT OUR BEST ATTEMPT TO MAKE SURE SOMEONE FROM UTILITIES IS HERE TO PRESENT IT.

OKAY. I'M SAYING BECAUSE WE'LL PUT WE'LL PASS IT UP THE CHAIN OF COMMAND.

HEY, CITY MANAGER, THIS IS LOOKING FROM THE BOARD.

YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE HAVING A MEANINGFUL CONVERSATION.

AND IF THAT MEANS INCLUDING HIM AND HE'S SAYING HE'S NOT AVAILABLE, WELL, I THINK I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART.

STAFF NOW. SO I THINK HE'S HE'S GOT OTHER STAFF TO BE HERE TO PRESENT THAT BECAUSE REALLY IT'S JUST A DISCUSSION OF WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE PREVIOUS BOARD.

RIGHT. WHAT'S NEEDED IF NEEDED FOR A BOARD, MAYBE SOME HISTORY BEHIND THE BOARD, LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE HISTORY BEHIND YOUR BOARD, THEIR BOARD.

SO YOU COULD BE EDUCATED.

AND THAT WAY YOU GUYS HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE A SOUND DECISION ON WHETHER YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT MOTION.

AND AGAIN, THAT MOTION WOULD BE TO TO ASK COUNCIL TO ADD THAT EITHER TO YOU OR TO REINSTATE THE PREVIOUS BOARD.

AGAIN, HOW YOU GUYS WANT IS UP TO YOU.

I CAN'T, THAT'S YOURS.

SOUNDS GOOD TO ME IF I'M NOT SEEING ANY OBJECTION ON THAT.

DID WE HAVE ANY OTHER AGENDA REQUESTS FOR FUTURE MEETINGS THE BOARD WOULD LIKE, YOUNG LADY? YES, MA'AM. I'M SUSAN CONNOLLY, AND I WANT TO COMMEND YOU ALL FOR THE OVERSIGHT THAT YOU HAVE WITH THE ROADS AND TO APPLAUD YOU AGAIN FOR LOOKING AT UTILITIES OVERSIGHT.

I WAS ON THE CITIZEN'S BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD THAT DID NOT HAVE OVERSIGHT IN ITS TITLE OR MISSION.

HOWEVER, BEFORE IT WAS DISSOLVED, THAT WAS WHERE I WAS WANTING IT TO BECOME MORE,

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IN OVERSIGHT.

WE WERE BASICALLY ACTING AS THAT.

SO WOULD YOU CONSIDER EVEN EXTENDING YOUR REQUEST TO COUNCIL? WITH BRINGING BACK THE CITIZENS BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD AND USING IT FOR OVERSIGHT. IT'S SO MUCH MORE THAN JUST OVERSIGHT.

IT'S CONNECTION WITH THE CITIZENS.

IT'S GETTING INFORMATION AND EDUCATION OUT THERE.

AND, I THINK THAT IT'S AN EXCELLENT WAY TO LEARN ABOUT OUR CITY AND TO PARTICIPATE IN A VERY MEANINGFUL WAY.

AND, LIKE YOU SAID, MISTER GUAM, I SERVED ON THE BUDGET OVERSIGHT, I MEAN, BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD FOR THREE YEARS. AND IT DOES TAKE TIME TO LEARN THIS.

YOU JUST CAN'T DROP YOURSELF IN HERE.

SO, THE REAL BENEFIT IS TO BUILD THE CITIZEN INFRASTRUCTURE, SO TO SPEAK, TO PARTICIPATE MORE FULLY AND MORE EFFICIENTLY WITH OUR GOVERNMENT.

SO THANK YOU ALL FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

IT'S REALLY MAKING A DIFFERENCE BECAUSE I SIT IN THE AUDIENCE AND LISTEN AND GET EDUCATED AND ALL THESE THINGS AND TAKE NOTES.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I'M SEEING NONE. ALL RIGHT.

I THINK THAT WAS OUR LAST ITEM.

SO WE WILL GO AHEAD AND ADJOURN THE MEETING AT 8:02 P.M..

THANK YOU EVERYONE.

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