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IT IS 7 P.M.. LET'S CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.THIS IS MEETING 2020 401 OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE ADVISORY BOARD ON JANUARY 22ND OF 2024.
IF WE COULD HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
ANNE MARIE FRAZIER, PRESIDENT.
THOMAS. HE'S GONE, MR. EDWARDS. THOMAS, GUAM, PRESIDENT.
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DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THAT? SO MOVED.SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? NO. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I'M SEEING NONE AND I VOTE I AND THAT MOTION PASSES.
SO NEXT WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON NON AGENDA ITEMS ONLY.
[PUBLIC COMMENTS]
DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS MR. BATTEN. GOOD EVENING, SIR.BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.
BUT SOMETHING THAT CAME OUT AT THE LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING THAT IS GOING TO HAVE A BIG IMPACT ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE WITHIN THE CITY OF PALM BAY, AND I'M BRINGING IT TO THE BOARD'S ATTENTION.
THE ADVANCED ADVANCED SYSTEMS HAVE TO BE MANDATORY CONVERSION.
SO RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING, DO I WANT ROADS OR DO I WANT TO HAVE MONEY TO PAY FOR MY NEW SEPTIC SYSTEM THAT I HAVE TO BE INSTALLING? SO I'M BRINGING THIS ATTENTION NOW SO THAT WE CAN, I DON'T KNOW, SOMEHOW BE THINKING HOW WE'RE GOING TO BE FACING BOTH OF THESE DILEMMAS BECAUSE BOTH OF THEM ARE GOING TO END UP ON SHORTFALLS.
ALL RIGHT. NEXT WE'LL MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS.
WE ARE GOING TO START. OH GO AHEAD.
I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS MR. BATTEN'S CONCERNS.
ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT I HAVE WITH THIS, AND I PLANNED ON BRINGING FORWARD TO TALK ABOUT AT FUTURE MEETINGS, WAS THAT OUR UTILITY DEPARTMENT CURRENTLY HAS NO CITIZEN OVERSIGHT. THEY DID AWAY WITH THE UTILITIES OVERSIGHT BOARD.
THIS BOARD IS THE CLOSEST THING THEY HAVE TO A UTILITIES OVERSIGHT BOARD.
I WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE COUNCIL TO EITHER REINSTATE THE UTILITIES ADVISORY BOARD OR PUT IT UNDER THE DOMAIN OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE ADVISORY BOARD SO THAT EVERYTHING COULD BE SCHEDULED OUT.
AND WE'RE NOT WASTING MONEY AS WE DO ALL THESE IMPROVEMENTS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? JUST FOLLOW UP A QUESTION.
JUST ASK. SO YOU ARE SUGGESTING THAT THIS BOARD TAKES ON MORE RESPONSIBILITY? I'M SUGGESTING THAT EITHER THEY REINSTATE THE UTILITIES ADVISORY BOARD, WHICH THEY CAN DO OR PUT IT NEEDS TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF CITIZEN OVERSIGHT BOARD.
OKAY, SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS.
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THE FIRST ITEM WE HAVE IS A PRESENTATION FROM MR. WATANABE ON THE UNIT 40 DEMO OF THE MICRO SURFACING.ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH AGAIN.
AND SO WE MICRO SURFACED THREE STREETS AS A PILOT PROJECT, WHICH WAS AGORA, MERCURY AND THOR.
I JUST WANT TO. OH, THERE WE GO.
SORRY ABOUT THAT. I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT ON THE MICRO SURFACING AGAIN.
IT'S IT'S NOT AN ASPHALT, TREATMENT.
SO IT DOESN'T HAVE A STRUCTURAL, YOU CAN SAY A STRUCTURAL THICKNESS.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE ASPHALT. WE PAVE IT WITH ASPHALT WITH TONNAGE.
SO IT'S SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, BUT IT'S STILL A SURFACE TREATMENT.
IT PROVIDES UP TO ABOUT A FIVE YEAR LIFE OF THE PAVEMENT.
SO IT'S AN EMULSION SLURRY YOU PLACE ON TOP OF IT.
THAT'LL GIVE YOU A FIVE YEAR EXTENSION OF YOUR PAVEMENT LIFE.
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IT'S MAINLY USED FOR ROADS THAT HAVE WHAT THEY CALL GOOD CONDITIONS, HIGH PCI INDEX, WHICH IS YOUR, YOUR, YOUR, PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX, PCI.SO WE TYPICALLY TRY TO GO WITH 70 ABOVE.
A LOT OF AGENCIES GO EVEN FARTHER LOWER LIKE THE 50.
I THINK THE MOST COMPANIES THAT APPLY, MICRO SURFACING WILL GO AS LOW AS, LIKE 50, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO STAY UP IN THE 70 RANGE, SO WE KNOW FOR SURE IT'S GOING TO BE A GOOD TREATMENT FOR ALREADY A GOOD ROADWAY.
IT'S LESS COSTLY THAN DOING ASPHALT, WHICH IS BASED ON TONNAGE, THE PREMIUM MICRO SURFACING, WHICH WE CALL THE 6% MICRO SURFACING, IS SLIGHTLY MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE TYPICAL MICRO SURFACING.
SO THERE IS A TYPICAL MICRO SURFACING AND THEN THERE'S A PREMIUM AND I'LL GO INTO THE DETAIL.
BUT THE COST DIFFERENCE IS A FEW BUCKS.
SO I THINK THE STANDARD MICRO SURFACE LIKE IT'S LIKE FIVE BUCKS.
AND THE PREMIUM RIGHT NOW IS ABOUT 719.
AND I'LL GO OVER THAT MORE IN DETAIL.
SO THEN WE DECIDED TO DO TWO LARGER UNITS, 17 AND 46.
BUT BECAUSE OF ISSUES WITH THE MATERIAL WEATHER TEMPERATURE MIX, IT DIDN'T WORK OUT.
SO WE HAD ALL THESE TIRE DIVOTS AND CREATED A PROBLEM, CREATED ESTHETICS PROBLEMS. THE MICRO SURFACING THE SLURRY STILL WAS APPLIED ON THE ROADWAY.
SO IT WAS STILL THERE, BUT ESTHETICALLY IT WASN'T PLEASING WITH ALL THE TIRE DIVOTS.
SO WE KIND OF SHIED AWAY UNTIL THIS NEW ONE CAME UP.
BUT JUST TO HIGHLIGHT AGAIN, JUST ON THE DIVOTS, THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE.
BUT, MOST OF THE DRIVEWAYS HAD THIS KIND OF LIKE, MARKINGS ON THE ROADWAY, AND THIS IS VERY SHALLOW.
THERE ARE SOME THAT HAD, LIKE, CATTLE CROSSINGS.
SO I'M JUST IT WASN'T PLEASING.
AND YOU CAN SEE FROM THE BEFORE AND AFTER THEY FADED OUT, THEY ROLLED OUT.
EVENTUALLY THE THE SURFACING DID, ROLL OUT ALL THE DIVOTS.
AS WE GO INTO IT, THE STREETS DON'T HAVE THOSE DIVOTS ANYMORE, SO EVENTUALLY THEY ROLL OUT.
BUT AGAIN, APPLYING A NEW APPLICATION, YOU KNOW, SPENDING ROAD BOND MONEY YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE.
IT'S LIKE BUYING DEFICIENCY, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? THEY WANT TO SEE NICE SMOOTH ROADWAYS.
SO THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT'S KIND OF PUT US BACK.
SO WE SHOWED MICRO SURFACING UNTIL WE COULD FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO.
THE WHAT TO DO WAS THE PREMIUM MICRO SURFACING.
WE HEARD ABOUT IT. I KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON IN OTHER STATES AND IN PLACES.
THEY'RE USING DIFFERENT TYPES OF MICRO SURFACING.
SO MICRO SURFACING, WHICH HE CALLED THE 6%, IS BASICALLY 6% OF A POLYMER, POLYMER MAKES IT STRONGER.
TYPICALLY THE ORIGINAL MICRO SURFACING HAD UP TO ABOUT 3%.
SO DOUBLE THE AMOUNT. SO DOUBLE THE AMOUNT OF POLYMER.
THE STRONGER THE MATERIAL, THE HARDER THE MATERIAL GETS.
IT'S A COMBINATION WHERE YOU USE DIFFERENT TYPES OF SAME INGREDIENTS CEMENT, AGGREGATE EMULSION.
BUT BUT THE THE FINAL PRODUCT WAS A LOT BETTER.
THE ONE THING I CAN MENTION WAS THE HARDENING WAS A LOT FASTER AND THE MATERIAL WAS DARKER.
TYPICALLY MICRO SURFACING HAS A BROWNISH TYPE OF, START.
AND SO THE CURRENT ONE RIGHT NOW, IF YOU GO OUT TO AGORA, IT LOOKS LIKE A PAVED ROAD.
I MEAN, BECAUSE IT'S DARK AND BLACK, IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE ASPHALT.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE PLEASING, YOU KNOW, ISSUES OR AFTER EFFECTS OF THE MICRO.
AND AGAIN, IT EXTENDS THE PAVEMENT LIFE AS I TALKED ABOUT IT.
HERE'S AN EXAMPLE FROM THE STATE OF TEXAS.
TEXAS HAS BEEN USING, THE 6% POLYMER POLYMER MIX.
THIS IS THE COMPANY. IT'S CALLED E-FLEX.
THEY TOOK OUT THAT WITHIN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, THEY, THEY'VE SAVED, A $20 MILLION.
YOU CAN SAY, I HOPE TO DO THAT WITHIN OUR PROGRAM AS WE GO INTO THE FUTURE YEARS, AS YOU GUYS HOPEFULLY ENDORSE THIS MOVING FORWARD WITH THE MICRO SURFACING THAT WE OURSELVES COULD ALSO SAVE PROBABLY $20 MILLION AS A STATE OF TEXAS DID.
BUT AGAIN, THEY'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A LOT LONGER, AND THEY NEVER HAD THE EXPERIENCE THAT WE HAD.
AND I BELIEVE MAINLY THE REASON FOR OUR DEFICIENCY WAS TWO THINGS.
THE MIX WASN'T WHERE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN.
AND. THE WEATHER WASN'T WHERE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN.
WE JUST FINISHED OURS IN DECEMBER AND SO IT WORKED OUT VERY NICE.
I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE SOME OF THE.
WE DID THE CALIBRATIONS, WE CALIBRATED ALL THE TRICKS.
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THIS TIME WE DID EVERYTHING BY THE BOOK.WE MADE SURE WE THERE WAS QUALITY CONTROL.
WE MADE SURE THEIR TEAM HAD THEIR A-TEAM PEOPLE ON WHEN THEY DID ALL THE TESTING.
TO THE POINT WAS, IT WAS VERY IMPRESSIVE WHEN YOU HAVE AN 18 PERSON WHO WAS EDUCATING US, BECAUSE I READ ALL THE MATERIALS AND I TALKED TO OTHER PEOPLE, BUT TO HAVE SOMEONE THERE WHO REALLY KNEW IT, IT'S VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE AND I LEARNED A LOT FROM THIS PERSON.
SO IT WAS VERY GOOD TO HAVE THE A-TEAM THERE.
AGAIN, WE DID ALL THE CALIBRATION.
VERY GOOD JOB ON THE CALIBRATION.
WE DID SOME SMALL TESTS OUT IN THE FIELD AND THEN WE DID, WE CALL IT A STRIP TEST ON THE ROADWAY.
AND I'LL SHOW YOU A PHOTOGRAPH OF THAT.
WITHIN A SHORT TIME WHEN THEY DID THE STRIP.
THE TEST STRIP, I THINK 15 MINUTES, AS I SAY ON THE PRESENTATION, IT WAS ALREADY HARD.
JOHN AND I WERE VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE MATERIAL.
SO WE APPROVED THE TEST STRIP AND MOVED FORWARD WITH THE APPLICATIONS ON THOSE THREE STREETS.
AGAIN, SOME PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE CALIBRATION AND TESTING.
AGAIN, WE THEY TESTED, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING FROM THE STONE TO THE AGGREGATE TO THE MIX TO THE WATER.
EVERYTHING WAS CHECKED, DOUBLE CHECKED.
AND THEN WE DID THE SHOWN HERE IS A TEST STRIP SAMPLE.
AND SO WE PICK ONE STREET WHICH IS THOR.
AND YOU CAN SEE ON THE VERY BOTTOM SIDE YOU CAN SEE WHEN IT'S FRESH IT'S BROWN.
JUST TO HIGHLIGHT AGAIN THE THESE ARE, HIGH TECH TRUCKS.
SO THEY USE A COMPUTERIZED SYSTEM.
SO THEY USE WHAT THEY CALL EM CAD.
EVERYTHING IS ALL COMPUTERIZED.
SO IF YOU'RE OFF A SLIGHT BIT, IT WOULD READ A NEGATIVE.
YOU SEE A RED LIGHT POP UP SAYING YOU DON'T MEET YOUR.
IT'S PREPROGRAMED AHEAD OF TIME.
SO IF YOU START FALLING BEHIND OR IT DOESN'T ACHIEVE THOSE THRESHOLDS, IT LIGHTS UP.
SO IT'S ALMOST IDIOT PROOF ON THE TRUCKS.
SO IT'S A VERY UNIQUE TOOL TO HAVE.
SO HERE'S THE SAMPLES OF THE MICRO SURFACING WHEN WE DID.
AS YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE BROWN AND THEN THE DARK.
BIG DIFFERENCE IN THE MATERIAL.
EVEN TO BE SAFER THIS TIME, EVEN AFTER IT HARDENED, THEY BROUGHT OUT A TRAFFIC ROLLER.
BUT TO BE SAFE, THIS TIME, THEY BROUGHT ONE OUT TO MAKE SURE.
SO WE HAD A TRAFFIC ROLLER ON IT.
BUT BUT IN THIS SITUATION, THEY DID EVERYTHING THEY COULD.
A TEST STRIP NOT ONLY DOES THE TRUCK PROVIDE THE ELECTRONIC, IT PRINTS OUT A TICKET WITHIN THE TICKET SO YOU COULD KEEP THE TICKETS AND VERIFY WITHIN THE DATA REPORTS AND VERIFY AT THE END IF YOU MET YOUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
BUT THIS PRINTS OUT YOUR PERCENTS OF EMOTION, YOUR WATER, YOUR ADDITIVES.
AND WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT REALLY IS THAT RATE, YOUR RATE OF APPLICATION.
AND SO AS YOU SEE IN THE PREVIOUS YEAR, DOUBLE IT PRETTY MUCH STAYED THE SAME.
SO YOU KIND OF WONDER WHAT HAPPENED.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING. WHY DIDN'T YOU KNOW IN THE PREVIOUS YEAR.
WE YOU KNOW WE HELD THE SAME NUMBERS EXCEPT FOR THE RATE WAS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER.
IN THIS SITUATION. THE APPLICATION RATE DID BECAUSE, LOOK, YOU WENT FROM FROM 14, 17 TO 20.
THE EMULSION STAYED THE SAME PRETTY GOOD.
YES SIR. WHEN HE SAID THE RATE OF CHANGE, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THAT'S THE RATE OF APPLICATION.
THE SPREAD RATE WHEN THEY LAID IT DOWN.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THE PREMIUM RIGHT HERE.
BUT THE SPREAD 20.6 POUNDS PER YARD WHILE THE DOUBLE.
SO THE PREMIUM HERE BUT THE SPREAD MORE.
THAT MEANS THE SPREAD QUICKER.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? THICKER.
OKAY. SO THIS IS APPLES TO APPLES.
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I WAS LOOKING AT TICKS WITH THE SAME AMOUNT OF AREA.SO I'M SAYING APPLES TO APPLES.
IT GAVE US THAT STRONGER MATERIAL THAT WE HAD, WHERE AGAIN, WE WERE TRYING TO FIND ALL THE REASONS WHY, BECAUSE IN THE PREVIOUS, WE DID EVERYTHING WE COULD AND WE COULD NEVER FIGURE OUT WHAT HAPPENED. AND TO THIS DAY, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A GOOD, YOU KNOW, WE SAY NOW IT'S A MIX.
WE SAY NOW IT'S A TEMPERATURE. BUT THERE'S STILL OTHER FACTORS.
SO THIS IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY ISSUES.
BUT WE LEARNED THAT JUST A SLIGHT BIT OF CHANGE MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE IN MICRO SURFACING.
SO I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT.
YES SIR. AND AGAIN JUST FOR MY UNDERSTANDING DOUBLE HERE MEANS YOU ARE DOING IT TWICE.
SO AND ALL OUR APPLICATIONS JUST TO LET YOU KNOW IT'S A DOUBLE APPLICATION.
SO. SO THE BOTTOM ONE IS DONE TWICE.
WE CALL IT DOUBLE APPLICATION.
WHAT IT IS. THEY PUT A THEY PUT A SURFACE LAYER LIKE AN INITIAL COAT.
AND THEN THEY COME BACK AND PUT A SECOND COAT ON OKAY.
SO THAT'S WHAT THEY CALL A DOUBLE APPLICATION.
SO SO WHY IS THE SECOND WHY IS THE SECOND ONE HAS NO ADDITIVE.
IT'S CLOSE TO THE FIRST ONE WAS POINT EIGHT.
FROM WHAT I COULD TELL, THE ADDITIVE REALLY DOESN'T DO A LOT.
THE WATER AND THE CEMENT ARE THE THREE CHEMICAL THAT REALLY PLAYS A FACTOR.
WHEN YOU APPLY FOR MICRO SURFACING, THE ADDITIVES, IT'S A MARGINAL.
SO IN THIS SITUATION THERE IS ONLY LIKE 0.8 DIFFERENCE.
SO IT'S NOT REALLY EVEN A POINT PERCENT.
THE BIGGEST ONE I COULD TELL WAS, WAS THE APPLICATION RATE.
AND WHAT DOES IT WHAT IS THE EMULSION? PARDON THE EMULSION.
WHAT IS THAT. IT'S A IT'S A IT'S A PETROLEUM BASED EMULSION OKAY.
SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE WHERE AGAIN WE DID THE MICRO SURFACING.
AND THEN WE SAW A FEW AREAS THAT HAD YOU CAN SAY MARKINGS AND DIVOTS.
THIS TIME AGAIN INSTEAD OF WAITING THEY CAME BACK AS QUICK AS THEY CAN.
AND THEN THEY REPAIRED THESE AREAS WHILE THEY'RE STILL HERE.
LAST TIME WE DIDN'T DO THIS, BUT HERE'S AN EXAMPLE.
THIS WAS A PATCH REPAIR ON A MICRO SURFACING.
THEY COME BACK DURING THE FIRST PROCESS TO WHEN THEY SAW ANY IMPERFECTIONS, THEY CAME BACK AND FIXED IT REAL FAST SO THAT DOWN OR THEY JUST PUT THEY JUST THEY JUST PUT ANOTHER THEY JUST PUT ANOTHER LAYER ON ANOTHER.
OKAY. SO THAT PATCH IS LIKE THREE LAYERS THEN.
CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YEAH. SO THAT'S NOW THREE LAYERS OF MICRO SURFACING.
AND AGAIN THESE ARE VERY THIN.
SO IT REALLY IS NOT LIKE A LIKE A IT'S NOT LIKE AN INCH OF ASPHALT.
SO IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE DRIVABILITY OF THE ROAD BECAUSE AN APPLICATION IS LIKE 3/8.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT VERY THIN LAYERS.
SO AGAIN THERE IS NO REAL THERE'S STONE BUT IT'S VERY SMALL.
SO THERE'S REALLY NOT LIKE AN AGGREGATE.
SO THIS IS REALLY A SLURRY MIX.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING. IT'S NOT OFF OF A PAVEMENT MACHINE.
IT'S OFF OF A TRUCK. SO IT'S A LIQUID BASED MATERIAL.
SO AGAIN WE DID A LOT IN THE PROCESS.
WE VERIFIED IT ON A DAILY FUEL REPORTS.
WE HAD QC RESULT REPORTS AS WELL.
SO IT CHECKED ALL THE BOXES AND THEN AFTER 28 DAYS CLOSE TO 30 DAYS, 28 DAYS.
HERE'S THE PHOTOGRAPHS OF WHAT THE ROADS LOOK LIKE AND COMPARE IT TO THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION.
IN 2021, WE HAD CATTLE CROSSINGS AND THIS TIME NONE.
SO WE WERE VERY HAPPY, VERY PLEASED.
SO UP IN 40 YOU HAVE A LOT OF APARTMENTS AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
SO YOU KNOW, WE WERE CONCERNED BECAUSE WE HAD A LOT OF HEAVY TRUCK TRAFFIC ON THESE STREETS.
BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, NO MARKINGS.
NO, EXCEPT FOR EXCEPT FOR THE BURN MARKS AND THE DONUTS FROM STUDENTS.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, DEFICIENCY.
THAT'S BEING CRAZY, THAT NO MARKINGS.
OKAY, SO IF YOU GO OUT THERE AND SAY, OH, FRANK, LOOK AT THESE DONUTS.
TIRE MARKINGS, BUT THERE ARE NO DIVOTS.
SO THE SO THE PREMIUM MICRO SURFACING DOES WORK.
SO THE FINDINGS AGAIN PRETTY MUCH WE'RE VERY SATISFIED.
WE HAD A SUCCESSFUL TEST STRIP THAT HARDENED.
WE SAW ALL THE SUCCESS WITH THAT.
WE MADE SURE WE HAD GOOD FOLLOW UPS.
AND THEN WE DID ALL THE INSPECTIONS.
WE DID. WE INSPECTED IT ON THE SEVENTH, THE 14TH, 21 AND THE 28 DAYS.
SO WE WE DIDN'T DO IT. JUST ON THE 28TH DAY.
WE WERE OUT THERE EVERY WEEK TO MAKE SURE.
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EVEN THOUGH IT'S A FEW DOLLARS MORE, BANG FOR BUCK, A BETTER PRODUCT, I BELIEVE IN TERMS OF FROM WHAT WE SAW.SO WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? WE WANT TO CONTINUE USING MICRO SURFACING.
WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS GET YOUR ENDORSEMENT ON THE MICRO SURFACING.
AND THEN THE FIASCO CAME WITH ALL THE TIRE DIVOTS.
BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, THESE FOUR UNITS WAS ORIGINALLY PLANNED TO BE MICRO SURFACE TWO YEARS AGO.
AND SO WE WOULD LIKE TO GET YOUR ENDORSEMENT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH MICRO SURFACING AGAIN.
AND I EDUCATED THEM ON THIS NEW MICRO SURFACING AND THE SUCCESS WE'VE HAD SO FAR.
AND THEY'RE VERY PLEASED AS WELL.
BUT I TOLD THEM THAT UNTIL WE GET YOUR ENDORSEMENT, I NEED YOUR ENDORSEMENT.
SO THAT'S KIND OF BACKWARDS, THOUGH, FRANK.
IT'S INDICATED THAT. MADAM CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION.
HOLD ON ONE SECOND, TERRY. GO AHEAD.
EVERYTHING LOOKS GOOD AS FAR AS WHAT YOU'RE PRESENTING.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT HOLDS LONGER.
BUT MY CONCERN IS YOU BROUGHT SOME ABOUT THE COLD WEATHER.
DEFINITELY. I WOULD NEVER APPLY THIS IN THE FLORIDA SUMMER WEATHER.
WHETHER IT'S BECAUSE I THINK IT'S THE HUMIDITY.
TEXAS, CALIFORNIA, THEY USE MICROSERVICE AND THEY DO IT IN THE SUMMERTIME.
I MEAN, THE HUMIDITY, THE MOISTURE PLAYS A FACTOR.
I MEAN, JOHN AND I, WE WERE IN THE FIRST GO AROUND.
I MEAN, LITERALLY THEY HAD THERE WAS LIKE BUBBLES IN OUR MICROSERVICE THING.
I'M TALKING ABOUT BIG BUBBLES POPPING UP BECAUSE I THINK IT WAS THE WATER BUBBLING UP.
SO HOW WE OVERCOME THAT HERE, IT'S ALWAYS HOT MOST OF THE TIME BECAUSE OF BECAUSE NOW WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO STAY WITHIN THE WINTER MONTHS AND WE HAVE A GOOD, YOU KNOW, PERIOD OF WINTER MONTHS. WE CAN WE CAN DO AND LIKE I SAY, THE MICRO SURFACING, THEY'RE DONE WITH ALL THESE THREE STREETS.
IT'S JUST THE APPLICATION TIME, NOT THE REST OF THE TIME.
THE APPLICATION, THE APPLICATION IS QUICK APPLICATION.
THEY COULD DO A LOT OF STREETS AT A QUICK TIME FRAME.
AND LET'S SAY IF WE HAD TO, THEY COULD BRING MORE THAN ONE TRUCK AND SAY, CAN YOU TEST ONE MORE AREA FOR US? ON MINTON BETWEEN MALABAR AND JUPITER? THAT'S I HATE TO SAY THAT'S NOT ROAD THAT NEEDS TO BE ROAD REPAIR.
I DID WATCH THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING THE OTHER NIGHT.
YOU DISCUSSED WHAT THE CURRENT PROJECTED DEFICIT IS.
I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT NUMBER.
CAN YOU TELL YOU WHAT THAT NUMBER IS? THANK GOD I FORGOT.
I DIDN'T LIKE THE 50 MILLION RANGE.
THE DIFFERENCE IS BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE SAVINGS YOU PROJECT.
IF WE TAKE ON THE MICRO SURFACING.
I MEAN, UNTIL I GET YOUR ENDORSEMENT AND TILL I START RUNNING NUMBERS, I BECAUSE THINGS KEEP CHANGING, YOU KNOW, EVEN EVEN SINCE WE'VE STARTED THE PROGRAM TO NOW AND THEN, FROM NOW TO A YEAR FROM NOW, YOU KNOW, THE ROAD CONDITIONS ARE CHANGING BECAUSE WE'RE NOT OUT THERE PAVING THE STREETS.
THE LONGER WE WAIT, THE MORE THE ROADS BECOME.
SO THAT PCI INDEX GOES FROM 70 TO 60 TO 50.
AND THEN WE CAN'T USE MICRO SURFACING, BUT USING LAST YEAR'S ESTIMATES IF THE OPPORTUNITY IS STILL THERE TO GO BACK IN THESE PHASE FOUR AND FIVE, WE STILL HAVE GOOD PCI.
WE COULD PROBABLY SAVE 20 MILLION.
SO HOW OFTEN DO YOU UPDATE THE PCI INDEX? BECAUSE IT SHOULD BE DONE 3 TO 4 YEARS.
BUT BUT THE SITUATION WE HAD WAS DIFFERENT THAN MOST CITIES WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO 3 TO 4 YEARS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, MOST CITIES ONLY PAY, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE LUCKY TO PAY MAYBE 20, 50 MILES, YOU KNOW, LARGER COUNTIES, MAYBE A HUNDRED MILES, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING IN EIGHT YEARS, 800 MILES, THAT'S 100 MILES A YEAR THAT IS ABOVE THE AVERAGE CURVE FOR A CITY.
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BECAUSE COUNCIL IS IT. WELL IT'S LIKE NO, NO, FORGET IT.HOW MUCH ROADS CAN WE PAVE INSTEAD? I SAID, BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY IN THIS COMING YEAR, IF WE COME UP TO MAYBE NEXT YEAR BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE A LONGER STRETCH, MAYBE WE SHOULD WITH THE REMAINING YEAR, PHASE FIVE, MAYBE DO A QUICK PCI OF THE REMAINING STREETS.
BUT EARLY ON WHEN WE JUST DID ONE, TO DO ANOTHER ONE AND TO FIND OUT YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE THE SAME PRETTY MUCH PRETTY PICTURE BECAUSE IT'S A VIDEO CAMERA, CAMERA SHOTS OF YOUR THERE'S NO PHYSICAL TESTING.
IT'S ALL VISUALLY DONE BY A CAMERA.
THERE IS NO CORING, THERE'S NO NOTHING EXCEPT FOR VIDEO DRIVE OF THE STREETS.
HOW CAN YOU SPEND THAT MUCH? AND STILL, I'M SAYING, IN OUR SITUATION, SINCE WE HAVE THIS MONEY ALREADY ALLOCATED, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? UP. THE TAXPAYERS SAID, GO AHEAD AND JUST START PAVING PAY, YOU KNOW, AS FAST AS WE CAN PAVE OUR STREETS AS BEST WE CAN.
SO THAT WAY WE STAY AHEAD OF THE CURVE.
AND WE'VE BEEN DOING A GREAT JOB, LIKE I SAY.
BUT THE MORE WE WAIT, THE MORE THE ROAD IS GOING TO FALL APART.
SO IT GOES, THE MORE COSTS ARE GOING TO ESCALATE.
YOU DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT TOO, BECAUSE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN 20 YEARS OR LESS? IN TEN YEARS, THEN YOU GOT TO DO IT ALL AGAIN.
IT ALL COME BACK TOGETHER. YOU WANT TO DO IT IN A PHASED APPROACH AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.
HOPEFULLY, MAYBE IF WE NEED TO PROVIDE SOME SORT OF ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO MEET THOSE GOALS.
YOU CAN'T DO 800 MILES IN A COUPLE OF YEARS, RIGHT? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE MICRO SURFACING? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE, ADDENDUM TO THE ROAD PAVING PROGRAM TO INCLUDE THE 6% MICRO SURFACING PROJECT PROPOSED BY, PUBLIC WORKS.
I SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE VOTE AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? I'M SEEING NONE. I VOTE I IN THAT MOTION, PASSES TO ENDORSE THE 6% MICRO SURFACING.
SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE SECOND PRESENTATION IS THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND CONSERVATION BLOCK GRANT.
AND THIS AGAIN IS FOR MR. WATANABE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SO HERE'S A NEW ONE COMING OUT AGAIN.
BRAND NEW. NEVER HEARD OF THIS BEFORE.
IT'S CALLED ENERGY EFFICIENCY CONSERVATION BLOCK GRANT.
AND IF YOU LOOKED AT IT, IT WAS MEANT, I THINK ORIGINALLY IT WAS MEANT TO BE IN TERMS OF, PROJECTS FOR, YOU KNOW, REFURBISHING, FACILITIES AND BUILDINGS. IT WAS MEANT MORE IN THAT TERMS FOR ENERGY EFFICIENCY, LIKE, YOU KNOW, SWITCHING TO SOLAR POWER, MAKING YOUR HOUSE MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT, MAKING YOUR, OTHER, MECHANISM MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT.
IT WASN'T REALLY MEANT FOR ROADWAYS.
BUT AFTER THE FIRST YEAR, THEY MODIFIED IT AND THE NEW APPLICATION, IT OPENED UP THE, EFFICIENCY TO, TO OTHER PROJECTS BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER US DOT GRANTS THAT ARE PURELY FOR ROAD IMPROVEMENTS UNDER LIKE AIR QUALITY EFFICIENCY.
AND ONE OF THEM WAS SIGNAL TIMING SYNCHRONIZATION.
SO WHEN THEY THREW THAT IN THERE WE WANT TO GO AFTER THAT GRANT MONEY NOW.
AND SO LET ME LET ME HIGHLIGHT TO YOU THIS IS NOT THE FDOT PROJECT THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, FDOT, THIS DESIGN, OUR MALABAR SIGNAL SYSTEM, THIS IS GOING TO BE A PILOT SMALLER PROJECT. SO JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE FDOT AND THIS ONE.
SO AGAIN THIS IS WHAT THEY CALL A NEW GRANT FROM THE US DOT.
WHAT HAPPENED IS THEY EDUCATE YOU ALL.
THIS GRANT PROGRAM ALREADY DIVVIED UP SOME OF THE MONIES BASED ON EITHER YOUR POPULATION SIZE.
SO THEY HAVE WHAT THEY CALL A VOUCHER PROGRAM.
SO ALL THE CITY'S BROKEN DOWN.
AND OUR ALLOCATION WAS 160 AND 90 BUCKS.
SO WE SAID YOU KNOW WHAT PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE THAT MONEY HAS ALREADY BEEN SET ASIDE.
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LET'S GO OFF TO THE VOUCHER PROGRAM.AND UNDER THE VOUCHER PROGRAM THEY HAD WHAT THEY CALL A BLUEPRINT.
SEVERAL TYPE OF BLUEPRINTS MEANS YOU PICK AND CHOOSE.
ONE OF THEM WAS THIS ENERGY EFFICIENCY FOR SIGNAL TIMING SYNCHRONIZATION.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING UNDER THAT PROGRAM.
YOU HAD TWO WAYS TO GO AFTER YOUR VOUCHER.
SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO USE THE FORMULA BASE WITH THE VOUCHER PROGRAM BECAUSE THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH THEY SAID IF YOU'RE UNDER $250,000, YOU WANT TO GO TO THE VOUCHER AND GET YOUR MONEY AND GO WITH IT.
SO WE WENT, SINCE WE'RE UNDER THE 250,000, WE WENT WITH THE VOUCHER AND WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH THE EQUIPMENT BECAUSE USING A TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A FEDERAL GRANT. SO UNDER THE FEDERAL GRANT THEY HAD A WHOLE LIST OF TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE.
SO AGAIN REMEMBER THIS WAS MEANT TO BE LIKE BUILDINGS.
AND SO THEY HAD A WHOLE LIST OF TECHNICAL SYSTEMS. NONE OF IT HAD TO DO WITH TRAFFIC SIGNALS OR TRAFFIC, ANY TYPE.
SO WE COULD USE THE TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE BECAUSE WE HAD TO USE ONE OF THEIR CAN.
CONSULTANTS. SO WE WENT WITH PURCHASING EQUIPMENT.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE DID. WE PICKED OUT 80 INTERSECTIONS.
AND SO THIS KIND OF SUMMARIZES WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
SO WE PICKED THE MALABAR ROAD.
WHY. BECAUSE MALABAR ROAD IS ONE OF OUR MOST CONGESTED HEAVILY USED.
AND IT NEEDS TO BE SIGNALIZED.
AGAIN JUST A LITTLE HISTORY BEHIND YOU, CITY OF PALM BAY.
WE HAVE, I THINK, WHAT, ALMOST 30 INTERSECTIONS.
NONE OF THEM ARE COMMUNICATING TO EACH OTHER.
NONE OF THEM HAVE ANY TYPE OF SIGNAL SIGNALIZATION.
THEY'RE ALL ON THEIR OWN, EXCEPT FOR RECENTLY.
IT'S THE ONLY THREE INTERSECTIONS IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY THAT ARE COMMUNICATING.
NONE OF THE OTHER INTERSECTIONS ARE COMMUNICATING.
SO EVERYTHING IS BASED ON A FIXED TIME OR IT'S BASED WHAT THEY CALL FREE CONDITIONS.
YOU CAN'T DO THAT. WELL, THIS IS ATROCIOUS IN THE MORNING.
THIS IS THE WAY I GO TO WORK EVERY DAY.
AND JUST SO THAT, YOU KNOW, I'VE DONE SIGNAL TIMING A LONG TIME, I'VE JUST GIVE A I'VE SIGNAL TIME, YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS, HUNDREDS OF SIGNALS WHERE I CAME FROM, CALIFORNIA AND NOT JUST CALIFORNIA BEFORE I CAME HERE AND WHEN I WAS A CONSULTANT.
I WANT A CONTRACT FOR THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
FDOT AND I TIMED THE HUGE PROJECT DOWN IN SAINT LUCIE COUNTY, AND I TIMED ABOUT EIGHT SIGNALS ON US.
ONE THAT WENT FROM WENT FROM SAINT LUCIE ALL THE WAY UP TO FORT PIERCE.
SO SIGNAL TIMING IS DONE A LOT.
IT'S NOT ROCKET SCIENCE, BUT YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING IN THIS SITUATION.
AND WE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH AS WE HAVE BAD TRAFFIC.
WE'RE NOT THERE YET, BUT WE DO NEED TO HAVE A SYSTEM IN PLACE.
SO WE PICK WHAT WE SHOW HERE IN BLUE.
WHAT'S SHOWN IN BLUE ARE OUR SIGNALS.
WHAT'S SHOWN IN GREEN ARE FDOT SIGNALS UNDER THEIR CONTROL.
EVERYTHING ELSE IN BLUE IS OURS.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE A MASTER CONTROLLER TO RUN THE SYSTEM LIKE A PC.
VERY SIMPLE. THEY'RE VERY CHEAP.
SO THEN WE'LL HAVE A SYSTEM IN PLACE.
AND THAT'S THE PROJECT WE'RE LOOKING TO IMPLEMENT.
SO THAT'S THE OVERALL PROJECT IN A NUTSHELL AS I WENT THROUGH IT IN DETAIL.
AGAIN, THE THREE RIGHT THERE NEXT TO EMERSON WALMART, VALOR I ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE FDOT ONES.
AGAIN. THIS IS AGAIN TO IMPROVE THE CORRIDOR FOR THE AM AND PM.
SO YOU CAN HAVE AM YOU CAN HAVE PM.
AS YOU GET LARGER CITIES, YOU HAVE THE NOON TIME, YOU HAVE A SATURDAY.
IT DOESN'T END TO LIKE ABOUT 11.
I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW WE HAVE OUR AM IS IS A 7 TO 8 MAYBE MAYBE 6 TO 8 LARGE CITIES.
NO THEY HAVE THEY HAVE BACKUPS OF THEIR AMS BECAUSE THEY HAVE SO MUCH TRAFFIC AND THEY HAVE BREAK UPS OF THEIR AFTERNOONS AND THEIR PMS. BUT YOU HAVE A SIGNAL SYSTEM PROGRAM THAT CAN HANDLE IT.
IT COULD DO THAT. AND THE GOOD THING IS, WITH THE NEW NEW TYPES OF CONTROLLERS AND THE NEW MASTER, THE CONTROLLER WILL KNOW WHEN THERE'S ERRORS, THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH CARS WHERE THEY CAN SENSE IT BASED ON DETECTION.
IT WILL GIVE MORE GREEN TIME TO THE BAND THAT NEEDS IT.
IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S READING EVERYTHING OFF THE DETECTORS.
SO IF THE QUEUES ARE POPPING UP ON ONE LEG AND NOT THE OTHER LEG, IT WOULD GIVE MORE GREEN TIME.
AND I EDUCATE YOU EXACTLY WHAT I WANT TO SHOW YOU.
SIGNAL TIME IS IS A FIXED BASED SYSTEM.
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IT'S BASED ON WHAT YOU SEE HERE IN THE GREEN.AND THE YELLOW IS BASED ON ON THE BOTTOM DISTANCE BASED ON TIME.
ALL OF THIS IS FIXED BASE AND IT'S BASED ON YOUR CYCLE BASED ON YOUR PHASES.
AND SO AS YOU GET MORE INTO THE DETAILS OF THE CONTROLLERS, IT PLAYS A FACTOR.
BUT IT'S REALLY JUST BASICALLY A FIXED TIME BASE.
SO I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT YOU. IT'S NOT ROCKET SCIENCE, BUT THERE'S MORE TO IT AS YOU GET INTO IT.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO RIGHT NOW.
WE DON'T DO ANY OF THAT. THOSE LINES DON'T GO ALL THE WAY ACROSS RIGHT NOW.
SO AGAIN, SIGNAL TIMING IN A NUTSHELL.
WE WANT TO FINE TUNE THIS PROGRAM.
ONCE WE DEVELOP A SET OF TIMINGS, WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL USE THE MONEY TO PURCHASE THE EQUIPMENT.
DO THE GRANT HAVE HAD ALL IT ALL BECAUSE IT'S LIKE ANYTHING WE DON'T WANT.
TECHY STUFF. THEY INSTALL IT, THEY WARRANTY IT, THEY MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS RUNNING.
AND THEN WHAT WE'LL DO, PROBABLY WITHIN OUR OWN FUNDS.
YOU GOT TO GO OUT THERE AND DO TERM COUNTS.
I SPENT MORE MONEY ON COLLECTING THE DATA BECAUSE THE DATA MADE THE HUGE SUCCESS.
THE RIGHT DATA TELLS YOU WHAT'S GOING ON IN.
THE SECOND PART OF IT IS FINE TUNING IT.
AFTER YOU'RE DONE WITH THE SYSTEM, YOU RUN THE SYSTEM BACK AND FORTH WITH A FLOATING CAR.
THAT'S ALL YOU DO. YOU JUST FINE TUNE IT AND THEN YOU HAVE A GOOD SYSTEM AND THAT'S ALL.
THAT'S BASICALLY THE SIGNAL TIMING IS.
AND WE NEED TO DO THAT FOR MALABAR ROAD AND EVENTUALLY FOR ALL OUR SIGNALS.
BUT JUST JUST IN A NUTSHELL, THIS IS OUR PILOT PROJECT.
SO I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT WITHIN OUR PILOT PROJECT, I GOT THIS FROM THE TPO AGAIN, BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS ALWAYS TIED ON NOT JUST CAPACITY, NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, TRAVEL TIME IMPROVEMENTS, BUT ALSO TO HELP REDUCE, YOU KNOW, OUR INCIDENTS AND CRASHES.
AGAIN, HERE WE GO. 2023 OUR HIGHEST TWO INTERSECTION.
THIS IS COUNTY WIDE TWO. THIS IS COUNTY WIDE MATCH.
BAM. TWO HIGH LOCATIONS POPS UP.
AGAIN WE NEED TO FIX OUR CORRIDOR.
SO JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT, YOU KNOW, WHEN I GO TO THESE REGIONAL MEETINGS I SEE THIS.
IT KIND OF GOES, OH MAN, YOU KNOW, HOW COME TITUS DOESN'T HAVE THAT? HOW COME MELBOURNE DOESN'T HAVE THAT? YOU DON'T SEE ANY RED MARKS IN MELBOURNE BECAUSE WE HAVE SYNCHRONIZED SIGNALS.
YOU DO. YEAH. SO I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, SO YOU KNOW SOMETHING.
WHERE DO WE WANT TO GO FROM HERE.
WE WANT TO APPLY FOR THIS GRANT I'M PRESENTING THIS TO YOU.
YES, SIR. I'M LOOKING AT THE PREVIOUS REPORT.
AGAIN THIS I BORROWED THIS, SORRY I BORROWED OH I'M SORRY.
IT'S AT THE INTERSECTION OF MALABAR AND EMERSON, RIGHT? YEAH. SO NOT AT THE INTERSECTION ITSELF.
YEAH. YEAH, THAT ONE RIGHT THERE.
AND I SAY THIS AND, AND WE VALIDATED IT.
WE NEED TO LOOK AT THOSE INTERSECTIONS.
192. WE HAVE 1093 REPORTED CRASHES.
YEAH. AGAIN, I BORROWED THIS FROM THE TPR.
I DIDN'T GET INTO THE DETAILS.
NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS REPORT IS, IS REPORTING THAT THIS IS THE AMOUNT OF CRASHES WE HAVE WITHIN THAT STRETCH AND WITHIN THIS DOCUMENT SAYS, AGAIN, I DON'T I DON'T HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE BEHIND IT.
IT'S THE NUMBER OF CRASHES, THE NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS.
THIS IS A SEVERITY SCORE PER YEAR.
YEAH. AND I THINK THAT'S BASED OFF THE NUMBER OF INCIDENTS.
VEHICLE CRASH BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE I'VE SEEN THIS REPORT BEFORE.
OKAY, I COULD BE WRONG, BUT NO, I THINK YOU'RE CORRECT.
I CAN'T VALIDATE BECAUSE I DIDN'T GET INTO THE DETAIL.
I JUST PULLED IT. OF ALL THE STUFF I ALWAYS GET FROM THE TPO.
THIS ONE KIND OF CAUGHT MY EYE.
OR US ONE AND EAU GALLIE BOULEVARD USED TO BE.
AT THE TOP OF THE LIST, AND IT'S NOT EVEN ON HERE.
AGAIN, THIS DOESN'T REALLY REFLECT THE TRUE ANNUAL CRASH DATABASE.
I THINK THIS WAS DONE ON A PROJECT.
THEY DID AGAIN, I REMEMBER, BUT AGAIN, THIS KIND OF JUST CAUGHT MY EYE.
I THOUGHT THIS WAS A RECENT ONE.
JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO THEY PRESENTED AT A TPO MEETING, SO I TOOK IT.
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HE BORROWED IT.SO AGAIN, WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? WE WANT TO GET YOUR ENDORSEMENT. JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT AGAIN THIS PROJECT IS NOT THE ORIGINAL FDOT PROJECT.
WE HAVE THREE FDOT PROJECTS THAT THEY HELPED DESIGN ITS FOR.
MALABAR ROAD THAT HAS A $3.5 MILLION.
THAT $3.5 MILLION IS THE IS NOT THE CADILLAC, BUT IS THE REAL PROJECT.
HAVE THAT CAPACITY TO ADD NEW CONTROLLERS, NOT THE ONES WE HAVE OUT THERE.
SO ALL THE INTERSECTIONS WILL HAVE CAMERAS.
SO ALL THOSE COMPONENTS EQUALS UP TO THAT $3 MILLION.
SO WE'LL HAVE A TRUE SYSTEM THAT WILL TIE INTO THE BREVARD COUNTY SYSTEM.
THAT WILL TIE IT INTO THE FDOT SYSTEM.
SO THIS WOULD BE A REGIONAL TMC AND A REGIONAL SIGNAL TIMING SYSTEM, NOT JUST THIS TEMPORARY PILOT PROJECT, WHICH WILL HELP US GET ALONG RIGHT NOW, BUT WE WANT TO BE TIED INTO THE REGIONAL SYSTEM THAT HAS ALL THE BELLS AND WHISTLES THAT THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW, WHICH WE ARE WAY SHORT FROM RIGHT NOW.
LIKE I SAY, EVEN MELBOURNE HAS SYSTEM.
WE DON'T. SO THAT'S WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS BETWEEN 100 AND 60 K AND THE 3.5.
AND WE ALSO THEY DESIGNED SAN FILIPPO AND EMERSON FOR US AS WELL.
SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO AFTER THIS COMING YEAR THE MONEY FOR THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE APPLYING FOR.
SO ARE YOU. YOU'RE DOING A VOUCHER OR A FULL GRANT APPLICATION.
JUST A VOUCHER FOR THE 160 90 OKAY.
BUT THOSE ARE DUE IN APRIL NOT FEBRUARY.
LET YOU KNOW WE'VE ALREADY IT WAS DUE AT THE END OF THIS MONTH.
SO I'M JUST PROVIDING YOU THE BACKGROUND BEHIND WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW OKAY.
OKAY. AND NOW I KNOW THIS THIS PARTICULAR GRANT REQUIRES AN ENERGY CONSERVATION STRATEGY PLAN.
DOES THE CITY ALREADY HAVE THAT? IT'S TIED IN WITH OUR SIGNAL TIMING.
ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE'LL TAKE A MOTION ON THAT ONE? YES, SIR. I'M JUST CURIOUS.
CAN. I MEAN, ONE OF THE WORST AREAS ALONG MALABAR ROAD IS OUT TOWARD THE HIGH SCHOOL DURING MORNING RUSH HOUR AND AFTERNOON RUSH HOUR.
AND WAS THIS INCLUDED IN THAT UPCOMING LIGHT OR.
EXCUSE ME? THE PARKWAY IN MALABAR WAS THIS TYPE OF SYSTEM INCLUDED IN WHEN WE REDESIGNED THAT.
THAT'S THE COUNTY WE ARE GOING TO BE INSTALLING.
AND, IN IN AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY, WE'RE GOING TO INSTALL A SIGNAL OUT THERE AT SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY, WHICH I BELIEVE THEY'RE GOING TO ALLOW US TO HELP, RUN THAT SIGNAL. BUT IT'LL BE A COUNTY SIGNAL UNTIL SUCH TIME WE TAKE ON THE OWNERSHIP OF THAT CORRIDOR.
THAT'S RIGHT. BUT WE ARE RIGHT NOW WORKING TO INSTALL A SIGNAL ON COUNTY RIGHT OF WAY.
SO AGAIN, THAT'S A COUNTY SIGNAL, YOU KNOW, NO DIFFERENT IF YOU GO TO THAT PART OF BABCOCK, THE SOUTHERN PART WHERE WE TOOK ON THE OWNERSHIP OF THE INTERSECTION AT BABCOCK AND SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY.
IT WAS ALL I HAD. IF HE'S LOOKING FOR A MOTION, I'D MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
YOU SAID YOU'VE ALREADY SUBMITTED, CORRECT? YEAH, BUT WE STILL LIKE THE ENDORSEMENT.
LIKE, SAY, FOR ALWAYS, I APOLOGIZE.
WE JUST HAD TO GET THE APPLICATION IN.
I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS A SHORTER TIME FRAME BECAUSE OF THE VOUCHER.
WHEN I DID THIS APPLICANT DID THIS PRESENTATION.
ALL I SAW WAS THE MATERIAL WAS GIVEN TO ME THROUGH THE DOT APPLICATION PROCESS.
AND THEY HAD THAT APRIL AND IT'S STILL GOOD.
SO IT'S APRIL, IT'S THE DUE DATE FOR SUBMITTING AN APPLICATION.
MR.. WHATNOT. YEAH, I LIKE WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH THAT.
FOR THE VOUCHERS, WILL YOU BE SUBMITTING FOR SOME MORE VOUCHERS, MAYBE, FOR SOME LIGHTING IN THE DARK AREAS OF PALM BAY? YEAH, WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS COMES AROUND NEXT YEAR.
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I'M GOING TO LOOK AT THE LIGHTING BECAUSE WE COULD HAVE USED IT IN THE LIGHTING.HERE AGAIN IS YOU KNOW IT'S CONSIDERED ENERGY EFFICIENT.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING. SO THEY'RE TRYING TO BE YOU KNOW THIS IS AN ENERGY EFFICIENCY.
SO SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE YOU'RE GOING TO IMPROVE ON LIKE OUR SIGNAL TIMING.
THEY DON'T REALLY THEY'RE NOT SYNCHRONIZED.
SO WE'RE WASTING A LOT OF TIME BECAUSE PEOPLE HIT THE RED.
YOU HAVE YOU KNOW WHEN YOU'RE IDLING CO2 EMISSION POLLUTION.
THERE YOU GO. ENERGY EFFICIENCY DOWN THE DRAIN.
BUT IF YOU SAY, I WANT TO INSTALL A WHOLE BUNCH OF STREET LIGHTS ON A DARK STREET, THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, SORRY, WHERE'S THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY? YOU GOT TO HAVE SOMETHING THERE FIRST TO SAVE ON THE ENERGY.
MEANING THERE'S GOT TO BE SOMETHING THERE TO IMPROVE ON.
OKAY, I HOPE THEY DO THIS PROGRAM EVERY YEAR.
THEY DID IT A COUPLE YEARS AGO, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, AND THEN THEY BROUGHT IT BACK THIS YEAR.
SO I HOPE THEY MAKE THIS AN ANNUAL.
REBECCA I AGREE, THEY SAY IT'S A FIVE YEAR PROGRAM.
BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE I SAY IT COMES AND GOES.
BUT I HOPE THEY MAKE IT AN ANNUAL I DO TOO.
YEAH. BUT WITH THE NEW ELECTION NEXT YEAR, I DON'T SEE A LOT OF THESE GRANTS COMING BACK.
BILL BATTEN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.
BEFORE YOU VOTED ON THIS ONE, I WAS TRYING TO SAY, IS THE NEW CITY GRANT COORDINATOR THE ONE THAT THEY JUST CONSIDERED HIRING? IS THAT INDIVIDUAL ALSO GOING TO BE WORKING WITH YOU IN YOUR OFFICE FOR OVERALL GRANTS, OR ARE THEY GOING TO BE CENTERING? YOU KNOW, I IF I'M PAYING SOMEBODY SEARCHING FOR GRANTS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THIS IS, GRANT APPLICATION, ARE THEY GOING TO BE WORKING WITH PUBLIC WORKS ON THIS ALSO? ARE THEY GOING TO BE WORKING? I DON'T KNOW, IN PUBLIC WORKS.
SO I BELIEVE THAT PERSON IS GOING TO BE HELPING DO A LOT OF THESE GRANTS.
BUT I THINK FROM WHAT I HEARD AND I KNOW FROM MR. VALENTINO, OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, YOU KNOW, HE WANTS TO MAKE SURE WE SHARE THAT GRANT PERSON.
SO HE'S GOING TO WORK WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS WORRIED ABOUT.
DID WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? WE HAVE A SECOND. OKAY.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I'M SEEING NONE. I VOTE I IN THAT MOTION PASSES.
AND THAT'S MISS CHRISTINE SULLIVAN.
THE BOARD REQUESTED IMPACT FEE BALANCES FOR EACH OF THE NEXUSES, AND I HAVE PREPARED THAT FOR YOU.
AND YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION IN FRONT OF YOU.
IT'S LISTED BY NEXUS, WITH A CURRENT BALANCE REMAINING THAT IS UNENCUMBERED AND UNALLOCATED.
AND THEN I DO HAVE A LISTING OF PROJECTS BENEATH EACH OF THOSE NEXUSES.
SO YOU'RE AWARE OF WHAT IS, WHAT THE FUNDS ARE BEING UTILIZED FOR? ANY QUESTIONS FOR CHRISTINE? YOU KNOW. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M SEEING NONE.
THAT'S GREAT. SO NEXT WE'LL MOVE ON TO AGENDA REQUESTS FOR FUTURE MEETINGS.
ANY AGENDA REQUESTS? NONE. NO, BUT I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. WATANABE. AND A QUESTION.
YOU'RE OKAY. JUST A QUICK QUESTION.
INFRASTRUCTURE FOR OUT BY SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY, WHERE 95 IS.
DO WE HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE TO POSSIBLY, TRY TO VENTURE OUT TO GET, LIKE, WAREHOUSING OR INDUSTRIAL? INTO PALM BAY ON THAT SIDE OF THE TOWN? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ONE DOWN SOUTH? YES. SO THE THE NEW EXIT? PRETTY MUCH. YEAH. JUST JUST TO HIGHLIGHT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THE INTERCHANGE AND THEN THE AREA AROUND IT, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S CURRENTLY STILL UNDER WHAT THEY CALL EMERALD LAKES.
AND THAT'S STILL MOVING FORWARD.
THE LAST WE HEARD WAS THE THE ORIGINAL OWNER OF EMERALD LAKES, IS LOOKING TO, SELL IT TO ANOTHER DEVELOPER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, WITH HIS GOAL.
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PERMITS ALREADY. HE GOT HIS 404.SO HE, SO HE'S MOVING FORWARD.
HE CAN MOVE FORWARD. BUT RIGHT NOW, I BELIEVE HE'S WANTED TO SELL THE EMERALD LAKES.
AND PART OF THAT MAKES THE FIRST PHASE WAS THE PHASE WHERE YOU HAD SOME, SOME, RESIDENTIAL AND, OF COURSE, THE HOTEL AND ALL THE COMMERCIAL, BUT TO THE EAST OF IT, AS IT GOES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF I-95 ON THE EAST SIDE, WHICH YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, HE WAS HOPING TO PLAN TO MAKE THAT MORE OF A, LIKE I SAY, NOT JUST LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, BUT THERE WERE SOME LIGHT INDUSTRIAL HE WAS TRYING TO PROMOTE MORE IN TERMS OF LIKE A MEDICAL FACILITIES, TYPE OF, OF A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, YOU KNOW, TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, YOU TRY TO THEME INTO ONE TYPE OF INDUSTRY.
SO YOU KIND OF GROUPED TOGETHER, I BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, THE SPACE COAST HAS A LOT MORE IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, SPACE COAST IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, TECHNOLOGIES BASED ON, AVIATION, YOU KNOW, THAT TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, BACKGROUND, SLIGHTLY, YOU KNOW, SATELLITES, YOU KNOW, MAYBE COULD BE, YOU KNOW, NATIONAL DEFENSE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IN THAT BALLPARK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT FOCUSING MORE TOWARDS, LIKE, AUTO MANUFACTURING, BUT, YOU KNOW, IN A SIMILAR REALM BECAUSE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE KENNEDY SPACE CENTER AND WE HAVE ALL THOSE ACTIVITIES WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HARRIS HERE ALREADY, AND YOU HAVE ALL THE OTHER ONES UP THERE.
AND MELBOURNE, YOU WANT TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, STAY CLOSE TO THAT CORE GROUP OF, INDUSTRY.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT AREA LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT COULD BE IDEAL FOR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL OVER SOME SORT OF A INDUSTRIAL BASE, BUT ORIGINAL ONE THAT MISTER PALLUZZI WANTED TO DO WAS MORE OF A MEDICAL BASE.
SO A LOT OF PLACES THEY LOOK TO EXPAND, MAKE IT MORE OF A MEDICAL FACILITY TYPE OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO THAT, AGAIN, I'M NOT A PLANNER.
I JUST KNOW THERE ON THAT EAST SIDE, IT'S ALL BEEN, ZONED FOR, COMMERCIAL.
A LOT OF IT'S FOR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
BUT WHO'S TO SAY? YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? WHAT IF IT COMES IN? WHAT IF IT COMES IN? JUST, YOU KNOW, THE BIGGEST DEFICIENCY WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW RIGHT NOW IS, YOU KNOW, OUR BIGGEST CONCERN WHY NOTHING'S HAPPENING IS, YOU KNOW, OUR WATER AND SEWER, YOU KNOW, WITH WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW, AS YOU GUYS GO DOWN THERE, PUBLIX, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ABOUT READY TO GO VERTICAL.
THAT'S IT. THAT PUBLIX TAPS OUT ALL THE REMAINING AVAILABLE WATER AND SEWER WE HAVE FOR THAT AREA.
I MEAN, THAT'S GOING TO CRIPPLE US.
YOU GUYS. I DON'T WANT TO GO INTO ANYBODY'S THUNDER AND CHRIS LITTLE, BUT YOU KNOW, AS A AS A CIVIL ENGINEER, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I THINK OUR CITY MANAGER KNOWS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S GOING TO HURT US REAL FAST, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW EVERYBODY'S RACING AGAIN TRYING TO GET THINGS FOR, YOU KNOW, THINGS CHANGE.
AND WE'RE GOING TO BE STOPPING SOON BECAUSE THEIR SEWER AND WATER.
WITH, AND THIS INCLUDED THE NEW PLANT, YOU GUYS.
THIS INCLUDES THE NEW PLANT BEING BUILT RIGHT NOW.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT THOSE FUTURE EXPANSIONS, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO THINK WAY AHEAD.
HOW ARE WE GOING TO FIGURE THIS OUT? YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OUR OTHER COUNTERPARTS ARE THERE MOVING FORWARD AND THEY'RE BUILDING LIKE CRAZY BECAUSE THEY'RE BEING MORE INNOVATIVE, YOU KNOW, THAN HAVING A CENTRALIZED PLANT. YOU COULD BUILD A SMALLER MICRO PLANTS, YOU COULD BUILD OTHER TYPES OF FACILITIES.
SO THAT WAY YOU COULD EXPAND YOUR FACILITIES AND NOT HAVE TO HOLD BACK ON YOUR COMMERCIAL.
AND JUST BECAUSE THE PROBLEM IS ON THOSE COMMERCIAL LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE FLUSHING.
IT'S YOUR HEAT. SAY IT'S YOUR FIRE PROTECTION, IT'S THE FIRE LINES.
IT'S THE FIRE PROTECTION. YOU GOT TO HAVE HUGE, YOU KNOW, GALLONS PER MINUTE TO MEET THAT BUILDING CODE THRESHOLD TO HAVE FIRE PROTECTION, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE RUNNING SPRINKLERS FULLY CHARGED, FULLY LOADED.
THAT MEANS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A LARGE AMOUNT OF WATER.
AND THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THOSE CITIES GUESS WHAT? YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO SEE THEM, BUT YOU SEE WATER EVERYWHERE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT WATER THERE BUT PRESSURIZED.
WE DON'T HAVE I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY WATER.
WE, YOU KNOW, I HATE SAY, YOU KNOW, I JUST, YOU KNOW, I COME FROM DOWN IN RIVER COUNTY.
WE HAVE LOTS OF WATER TOWERS. BUT GUESS WHAT? WE BUILT LIKE CRAZY DOWN THERE.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T SEE IT HERE.
SO THAT'S JUST MY I'M JUST THROWING OUT THERE.
OUR HUGEST ISSUE IS GOING TO BE OUR WATER AND SEWER, NOT THE ROADS.
OKAY. AND THEN, MY OTHER QUESTION.
DID WE NEED TO VOTE, FOR THAT RECOMMENDATION FOR FRANK TO TAKE IT BACK THAT YOU HAD, SUGGESTED TOM.
VIRGIL FOR THE ABOUT THE UTILITIES.
OVERSIGHT. OH, I WOULD SAY YOU BRING THAT UP AS YOUR OWN INDIVIDUAL.
IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND WHAT TOM TALKED ABOUT.
RECOMMEND TO BRING IT BACK AS AN AGENDA ITEM.
VOTE ON IT. AND THEN YOU HAVE THE POWER TO DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO. OR MAYBE YOU HAVE CHRIS COME AND GIVE IT A PRESENT, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? BUT MAKE IT AS AN AGENDA ITEM SO YOU CAN MAKE AN ACTION ON IT.
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YEAH. AND I APOLOGIZE.YOU KNOW, WE HAD, ALEX THERE, AND THEN WE HAD JESSE THERE.
AND CURRENTLY NOW WE HAVE ALISA FRAZIER.
AND SHE'S BEEN DOING A GREAT JOB BECAUSE SHE'S STILL KIND OF NEW.
BUT BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S SUCH A THEY'RE SHORT ON STAFF.
AS THINGS MOVE ON THIS YEAR, WE'LL MAKE SURE WE'LL AGENDIZE HER TO GIVE A PRESENTATION.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S ON THE AGENDA ON MY HEAD.
BUT BECAUSE THEIR THEIR STAFF SHORTAGE AND SHE'S NEW, I JUST DON'T WANT TO OVERBURDEN HER.
THANK YOU. SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE A RECOMMENDATION TO I MEAN, I GUESS IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A MOTION MY, MY MOTION WOULD BE TO MAKE A, TO PUT IT BEFORE THE NEXT OUR NEXT MEETING WITH TWO OPTIONS, ONE BEING TO REINSTATE THE UTILITIES ADVISORY BOARD AND THE OTHER ONE TO MOVE THAT RESPONSIBILITY TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE ADVISORY BOARD AS A SECONDARY OPTION.
SO I THINK, GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES, THAT IT SHOULD BE ITS OWN BOARD AND STAND WITH SO THAT, I MEAN, IT TOOK ME A LONG TIME TO COME UP TO SPEED ON ROADS AND THIS INFRASTRUCTURE, TO GET UP TO SPEED ON UTILITIES AND TAKE AS LONG.
SO MY QUESTION IS THE ITEM THAT YOU WOULD LIKE ON THE NEXT AGENDA.
THAT'S TO DISCUSS MAKING A REQUEST OF CITY COUNCIL TO DO THAT.
BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS BOARD HAS THE ABILITY TO JUST TAKE ON KNOW.
HERE'S MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE YOU WANT TO RECOMMEND ON THE NEXT AGENDA TO PLACE THE THE UTILITY ADVISORY COURT UNDER YOUR DISCUSSION AND THAT UNDER THE DISCUSSION TO HAVE MAYBE SAYS THESE OPTIONS AND THEN TO THEN TO HAVE COUNCIL WEIGH IN TO SEE IF THEY'LL ALLOW YOU TO HAVE THAT AS PART OF YOUR DUTIES AND TASKS AS YOUR BOARD.
SO THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS JUST TO GET THAT SENSE, GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES WITH UTILITIES AND WHAT WE'RE FACING AND THE CITIZENS NOT TO HAVE ANY OVERSIGHT OVER THAT, IT'S JUST WRONG.
I UNDERSTAND, BUT I'M JUST GOING BY THE BOOK AND YOU COULD YOU COULD AGENDIZE THEM TO TALK ABOUT.
YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION AND YOU COULD YOU COULD VOTE TO APPROVE SOMETHING.
BUT THIS WILL REQUIRE COUNCIL ACTION.
CORRECT. RIGHT. SO WE'RE JUST BECAUSE YOU ASKED FOR AGENDA ITEM REQUESTS SO THAT I WILL ADD IT.
OKAY. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED A MOTION TO ADD IT.
DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS? I THINK THAT'S SUFFICIENT.
OKAY. THAT'S FINE. AND COULD YOU INCLUDE IN THAT JUST SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON WHY THE UTILITY ADVISORY BOARD WAS DISSOLVED? BECAUSE IT HERE'S MY SUGGESTION.
THAT WOULD BE EXCELLENT IF WE COULD GET HIM TO ATTEND.
MAYBE IF THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD LIKE IF MR. LITTLE FOR SOME REASON IS NOT AVAILABLE BY THE NEXT MEETING, MAYBE THE FOLLOWING MEETING, I'D RATHER I BELIEVE HE NOW HAS.
HE'S GOT A UTILITIES ENGINEER.
OKAY. I THINK IT'S YOUR BOARD.
IT'S YOUR DECISION TO PLACE IT ON THE AGENDA.
WE'LL MAKE IT OUR BEST ATTEMPT TO MAKE SURE SOMEONE FROM UTILITIES IS HERE TO PRESENT IT.
OKAY. I'M SAYING BECAUSE WE'LL PUT WE'LL PASS IT UP THE CHAIN OF COMMAND.
HEY, CITY MANAGER, THIS IS LOOKING FROM THE BOARD.
YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE HAVING A MEANINGFUL CONVERSATION.
AGAIN, HOW YOU GUYS WANT IS UP TO YOU.
SOUNDS GOOD TO ME IF I'M NOT SEEING ANY OBJECTION ON THAT.
DID WE HAVE ANY OTHER AGENDA REQUESTS FOR FUTURE MEETINGS THE BOARD WOULD LIKE, YOUNG LADY? YES, MA'AM. I'M SUSAN CONNOLLY, AND I WANT TO COMMEND YOU ALL FOR THE OVERSIGHT THAT YOU HAVE WITH THE ROADS AND TO APPLAUD YOU AGAIN FOR LOOKING AT UTILITIES OVERSIGHT.
I WAS ON THE CITIZEN'S BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD THAT DID NOT HAVE OVERSIGHT IN ITS TITLE OR MISSION.
HOWEVER, BEFORE IT WAS DISSOLVED, THAT WAS WHERE I WAS WANTING IT TO BECOME MORE,
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IN OVERSIGHT.WE WERE BASICALLY ACTING AS THAT.
SO WOULD YOU CONSIDER EVEN EXTENDING YOUR REQUEST TO COUNCIL? WITH BRINGING BACK THE CITIZENS BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD AND USING IT FOR OVERSIGHT. IT'S SO MUCH MORE THAN JUST OVERSIGHT.
IT'S CONNECTION WITH THE CITIZENS.
IT'S GETTING INFORMATION AND EDUCATION OUT THERE.
AND, I THINK THAT IT'S AN EXCELLENT WAY TO LEARN ABOUT OUR CITY AND TO PARTICIPATE IN A VERY MEANINGFUL WAY.
AND, LIKE YOU SAID, MISTER GUAM, I SERVED ON THE BUDGET OVERSIGHT, I MEAN, BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD FOR THREE YEARS. AND IT DOES TAKE TIME TO LEARN THIS.
YOU JUST CAN'T DROP YOURSELF IN HERE.
SO, THE REAL BENEFIT IS TO BUILD THE CITIZEN INFRASTRUCTURE, SO TO SPEAK, TO PARTICIPATE MORE FULLY AND MORE EFFICIENTLY WITH OUR GOVERNMENT.
SO THANK YOU ALL FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I'M SEEING NONE. ALL RIGHT.
I THINK THAT WAS OUR LAST ITEM.
SO WE WILL GO AHEAD AND ADJOURN THE MEETING AT 8:02 P.M..
THANK YOU EVERYONE.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.