Feb 01, 2024 Council Meetings - Regular

MADAM. MADAM CHAIRMAN, WE ARE NOW ON PRESENTATIONS.

[PRESENTATIONS]

YES. THANK YOU. MAYOR. SO, THIS EVENING I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE YOU, PETER NAPOLI FROM STANTEC.

WE HAVE COMPLETED OUR 2024 POLICE AND FIRE IMPACT FEE STUDY.

SO HE'S HERE TO PROVIDE YOU WITH THE RESULTS OF THAT WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE FOR US.

NAPOLI. IS IT NAPOLI OR NAPOLI? GOOD EVENING. MAYOR.

DEPUTY MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS.

IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE TODAY.

AND THANK YOU FOR THAT INTRODUCTION, CITY MANAGER.

MY NAME IS PETER NAPOLI.

I WORK WITH STANTEC CONSULTING.

OH, THERE WE GO.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO BEND OVER.

I'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF WORKING WITH THE CITY FOR, NUMEROUS STUDIES OVER THE YEARS, AND, I WAS ACTUALLY INVOLVED WHEN WE DID THIS IMPACT STUDY BACK IN 2018. SO THIS IS AN UPDATE TO THAT STUDY.

ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS LOOKING AT THE FEES, THE IMPACT FEES THE CITY CURRENTLY CHARGES, UPDATING THE CALCULATIONS BEHIND THEM.

THAT WAY THEY ARE DEFENSIBLE LEGALLY AND FOLLOW THE STATE STATUTES.

WE WE LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCES IN COST OF SERVICE, DEMOGRAPHICS, ETC..

SO I HAVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION TODAY THAT SUMMARIZES THE RESULTS OF OUR STUDY.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT WITH THE CITY FOR THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS, AND AT THIS POINT, WE'VE COMPLETED THE STUDY AND ARE READY TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT STEP.

SO IN THE BEGINNING OF THE PRESENTATION, I'LL SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO THE BACKGROUND ON IMPACT FEES AND GIVE YOU A LITTLE REFRESHER ON WHAT IMPACT FEES ARE, WHAT THEY'RE USED FOR, HOW YOU CAN USE THEM TO HELP THE CITY.

WE'LL GO THROUGH THE METHODOLOGY THAT WE USE TO CALCULATE THESE TYPES OF FEES FOR THE CITY.

WE'LL LOOK AT THE ACTUAL CALCULATION FOR THE FEES THAT WE LOOKED AT.

AND THEN WE CAN LOOK AT A SURVEY THAT COMPARES YOU TO SOME OTHER REGIONAL CITIES AND COUNTIES.

SO A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON IMPACT FEES.

ESSENTIALLY, IMPACT FEES ALLOW DEVELOPMENT TO PAY ITS OWN WAY.

IT'S THE COST OF EXPANDING YOUR SERVICES TO TO TO SERVICE NEW GROWTH IN THE CITY.

SO EVERY UNIT OF GROWTH RESIDENTIAL NONRESIDENTIAL PLACES A PRESSURE ON THE EXISTING SERVICES IN THE CITY.

AND YOU HAVE TO EXPAND PROPORTIONALLY OVER TIME IN ORDER TO SERVE THESE NEW RESIDENTS AND NEW BUSINESSES.

SO THERE'S A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

AND IMPACT FEES GO TOWARDS OFFSETTING THAT COST AND SPECIFICALLY THE CAPITAL COST.

SO THESE FEES CAN'T BE USED FOR OPERATIONS, MAINTENANCE, PAYROLL, THINGS LIKE THAT.

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THEY HAVE TO BE USED FOR FACILITIES.

SO A NEW FIRE STATION, A NEW POLICE STATION, A SUBSTATION, NEW VEHICLES FOR NEW POLICE OFFICERS OR FIREFIGHTERS TO USE.

IT HAS TO BE AN EXPANSION OF YOUR SERVICE IN ORDER FOR YOU TO LEGALLY USE IMPACT FEES TOWARDS IT.

WITHOUT IMPACT FEES, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT FOR YOU TO HAVE IMPACT FEES.

THERE'S PLENTY OF CITIES THAT HAVE SOME BUT DON'T HAVE OTHERS, AND WITHOUT THEM, REALLY, YOU'RE IN A POSITION WHERE ONE OF THREE THINGS COULD HAPPEN OR ALL THREE THINGS CAN HAPPEN.

ONE FACILITIES MAY NOT BE CONSTRUCTED, SO THE GROWTH MAY BE COMING IN, AND YOU MAY JUST CONTINUE OPERATING OUT OF THE SAME FACILITIES YOU HAVE, BUT SERVE A LARGER AND LARGER POPULATION OVER TIME.

AND WHAT THAT RESULTS IN IS A LEVEL OF SERVICE GOING DOWN SINCE YOU'RE SERVING MORE PEOPLE WITH THE SAME ASSETS, OR YOU COULD INVEST THE MONEY TO EXPAND YOUR FACILITIES WITHOUT THE IMPACT FEES OFFSETTING THAT COST.

AND ESSENTIALLY THE BURDEN OF THAT COST IS KIND OF PLACED ON THE EXISTING TAXPAYERS.

THE ONLY GENERAL YOU'LL HAVE TO USE GENERAL REVENUE SOURCES AND YOUR GENERAL FUND, JUST LIKE FOR ANYTHING ELSE.

SO THE IMPACT FEES THAT WE UPDATED BACK IN 2019 WERE THE PARKS AND RECREATION IMPACT FEE.

THE POLICE IMPACT FEE AND THE FIRE IMPACT FEE.

WE RETAINED THIS YEAR TO UPDATE THOSE FEES AND AND PROVIDE YOU A SCHEDULE FOR UPDATING THEM.

SINCE THEN, JUST A LITTLE CONTEXT.

THE OVERALL CUMULATIVE CONSTRUCTION COST INFLATION SINCE 2019 HAS BEEN 20%.

AND IT CONTINUES TO GROW EACH YEAR.

SO THE COST OF BUILDING MATERIALS HAS INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY SINCE THEN.

WE'VE DECIDED, AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE DATA AND MEETING WITH STAFF, THAT WE'RE GOING TO DELAY THE UPDATE OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION FEE.

SINCE THE CITY IS CURRENTLY PURSUING AN UPDATE TO THE PARKS MASTER PLAN, MASTER PLANNING DOCUMENTS AND THOSE TYPES OF ACTIVITIES ARE IMPORTANT TO INCORPORATE INTO AN IMPACT FEE STUDY.

SO WE'LL WE'LL RELOOK AT THAT AGAIN ONCE YOU GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

AND AN UPDATE SINCE THE LAST TIME WE WE DID THIS STUDY FOR THE CITY, THERE HAS BEEN SOME STATUTORY CHANGES.

SO THE FLORIDA STATE STATUTES GOVERN IMPACT FEES AND HOW CITIES AND COUNTIES CAN USE IMPACT FEES AND CALCULATE THEM.

AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, LAW WAS MADE ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, AND IT ESSENTIALLY PUTS IN LIMITATIONS ON HOW MUCH YOU CAN INCREASE YOUR IMPACT FEES YEAR OVER YEAR.

WHEREAS BEFORE THERE WEREN'T REALLY A LOT OF LIMITATIONS ON THAT.

AND SOME CITIES AND COUNTIES MAY HAVE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THAT.

THE ABSENCE OF THOSE LIMITATIONS, AND IT WAS ALSO JUST DECIDED FROM THE STATE STANDPOINT THAT THEY WANTED TO ADD THOSE.

SO THESE ARE THE LIMITATIONS TO IMPACT FEE INCREASES.

THE FIRST CHECKBOX THERE IS BASICALLY IF THERE IS AN IMPACT, THE INCREASE THAT'S ANYWHERE UP TO 25%, IT HAS TO BE IMPLEMENTED OVER TWO YEARS, EQUAL PERCENTAGE INCREASES.

SO IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT A 20% INCREASE, IT'D BE 10% AND THEN 10%.

IF THERE'S AN INCREASE THAT'S CALCULATED ANYWHERE BETWEEN 25 AND 50%, IT HAS TO BE OVER FOUR YEARS.

SO IF YOU WERE CONSIDERING A 40% INCREASE, IT'D BE FOUR YEARS, CONSECUTIVE YEARS OF 10%.

AND THEN ANY INCREASE OVER 50% IS NOT ALLOWED.

AND THEN YOU CAN ONLY INCREASE ONCE EVERY FOUR YEARS.

HOWEVER, THE LAW ALSO DESCRIBES THAT THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CITIES AND COUNTIES TO EXCEED THESE LIMITATIONS.

BUT YOU HAVE TO DO A SPECIAL STUDY THAT OUTLINES YOUR EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES THAT NECESSITATE YOU TO EXCEED THESE LIMITATIONS.

YOU HAVE TO DO TWO ADDITIONAL PUBLICLY NOTICED WORKSHOPS, AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SUPERMAJORITY VOTE.

SO THE METHODOLOGY, METHODOLOGY, COMMON METHODOLOGIES THAT ARE USED TO CALCULATE IMPACT FEES ARE DESCRIBED HERE ON THIS SLIDE.

THE FIRST ONE IS DESCRIBED AS THE OR REFERRED TO AS THE BUY-IN METHOD.

AND ESSENTIALLY WHAT THAT REPRESENTS IS THE EXISTING INVESTMENT IN SERVICES THAT YOUR CITY HAS ALREADY MADE.

AND IT'S APPROPRIATE WHEN THERE'S EXISTING CAPACITY IN YOUR CURRENT FACILITIES, AND YOU'RE CHARGING NEW DEVELOPMENT FOR THE COST OF BUYING INTO THE SYSTEM AND TO THE INVESTMENTS THAT YOU'VE PREVIOUSLY MADE.

THE INCREMENTAL APPROACH THE SECOND APPROACH IS AN APPROACH THAT USES A MULTI-YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AND USES THAT AS THE BASIS FOR CALCULATING THE COST OF CAPACITY.

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AND IT'S APPROPRIATE WHERE THE THERE IS NO EXCESS CAPACITY IN EXISTING FACILITIES.

AND YOU HAVE TO EXPAND FOR GROWTH.

AND AND THAT'S THE APPROPRIATE WAY FOR CALCULATING THE COST.

THE HYBRID APPROACH IS A BLEND OF THESE TWO.

SO WE BOTH LOOK AT THE COST OF EXISTING INVESTMENT AND WE LOOK AT THE COST OF FUTURE INVESTMENT.

AND THEY BLEND THE TWO TOGETHER SO THAT WE GET A MORE BLENDED RATE.

THIS IS THE METHOD THAT WAS USED IN 2019.

IT'S THE METHOD THAT WE CHOSE TO UTILIZE THIS TIME AROUND TO FOR CONSISTENCY, AND BECAUSE IT'S MOST APPROPRIATE FOR THE CITY.

SO THIS IS ANOTHER GRAPH THAT KIND OF JUST SHOWS THE METHOD OF CALCULATING AN IMPACT FEE.

YOU HAVE TO ESTABLISH A COST BASIS.

THE COST BASIS LIKE I SAID COULD EITHER BE EXISTING ASSETS OR FUTURE ASSETS.

IN THIS CASE WE'RE USING BOTH.

SO THE GRAY BUBBLE THERE IS THE EXISTING ASSET COST.

WE GET THAT FROM YOUR FIXED ASSET RECORDS.

EVERY TIME YOU CONSTRUCT A FACILITY BY A VEHICLE IT'S RECORDED.

WHEN IT HAPPENED, HOW MUCH DID IT COST? WE TAKE THAT COST AND WE ESCALATE IT TO CURRENT DAY DOLLARS BECAUSE WHAT WAS BOUGHT OR PURCHASED OR CONSTRUCTED IN 2015 IS NOT THE SAME AS WHAT IT WOULD COST TODAY.

THEN WE LOOK AT THE FUTURE COSTS THROUGH YOUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.

SO WE GOT TOGETHER WITH CITY MANAGEMENT AND STAFF AND THE DEPARTMENTAL MANAGEMENT FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND LOOKED AT WHAT DO THEY NEED OVER THE NEXT 5 TO 10 YEARS IN ORDER TO KEEP UP WITH GROWTH SERVICES? THAT WAY, THE LEVEL OF SERVICE DOESN'T GO DOWN OVER TIME.

SO THEY IDENTIFIED, POTENTIAL FIRE STATIONS, POTENTIAL POLICE SUBSTATIONS, VEHICLES THAT THEY'LL NEED TO EXPAND THE FLEET.

AND THOSE WERE ALL INCLUDED THE ASSETS IN THE PAST THAT WERE FUNDED WITH GRANTS OR DONATED OR FUNDED THROUGH DEBT ISSUANCE WERE EXCLUDED FROM THE COST BASIS, AND THEN THE ASSETS IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM THAT ARE RENEWAL, REPLACEMENT TYPE CAPITAL PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, REFURBISHING, REPLACING AN EXISTING VEHICLE, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS CAN'T BE INCLUDED IN IMPACT FEE COST BASIS, SO THEY'RE EXCLUDED AS WELL.

ONLY THE EXPANSION PART OF THE CAPITAL PROGRAM IS ELIGIBLE TO BE INCLUDED.

SO YOU COMBINE THOSE TWO THINGS AND THAT FORMS THE COST BASIS FOR THE FEE.

THE SECOND PART OF THIS CALCULATION IS ESTIMATING YOUR CITY'S CAPACITY TO SERVE.

SO THAT CAN BE KIND OF DIFFICULT.

FOR GENERAL SERVICES LIKE POLICE, FIRE, PUBLIC SAFETY, IT'S EASIER TO MEASURE FOR WATER AND SEWER BECAUSE CAPACITY IS MEASURED IN MILLIONS OF GALLONS PER DAY, ETC., AND YOU HAVE A PERMITTED CAPACITY AT YOUR WATER PLANT, FOR, FOR GENERAL SERVICES. WHAT WE LIKE TO USE IS FUNCTIONAL POPULATION.

BASICALLY THAT MEANS THAT THE, THE, THE DEMAND FOR THE SERVICE FROM PUBLIC SAFETY IS LINKED TO HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE OCCUPYING A CERTAIN SPACE.

AND WE LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF SPACES IN THE CITY.

THERE'S SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, THERE'S BUSINESSES, THERE MAY BE WAREHOUSES.

ALL OF THEM HAVE A DIFFERENT MEASUREMENT OF HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN THAT SPACE AT ANY GIVEN TIME.

SO WE USE STATISTICS TO MEASURE ALL OF THAT AND THEN ESTABLISH YOUR CURRENT CAPACITY TO SERVE AND THEN MEASURE YOUR FUTURE CAPACITY BASED ON YOUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. THIS GRAPH HERE SHOWS THE RESULTS OF THAT FUNCTIONAL POPULATION CALCULATION.

AND IT AND SO IT CAN BE SEEN HOW THESE RELATE THROUGH THE DIFFERENT PROPERTY CLASSES.

SO STARTING AT THE TOP YOU CAN SEE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

THE FUNCTIONAL POPULATION PER DWELLING UNIT AT ANY GIVEN TIME IS MEASURED AT 1.557.

A MULTIFAMILY HOME IS MEASURED AT 1.16.

SO THIS IS AN APARTMENT OR A TOWNHOME OR A DUPLEX.

ON AVERAGE, THERE'S LESS PEOPLE OCCUPYING A SPACE LIKE THAT BECAUSE ON AVERAGE IT'S USUALLY SMALLER AND IN HOUSES, A SMALLER FAMILY.

A MOBILE HOME IS EVEN SMALLER THAN THAT.

AND, AND THEN WHEN YOU GO TO THE RETAIL, COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL AND OFFICE INSTITUTIONAL, THE NONRESIDENTIAL PROPERTY CLASSES, THAT REPRESENTS 1000FT². SO RETAIL COMMERCIAL, 1.787 PEOPLE WOULD BE OCCUPYING 1000FT² OF RETAIL COMMERCIAL SPACE. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE, 0.186 PEOPLE ON AVERAGE WOULD BE OCCUPYING THAT SPACE BECAUSE THEY'RE USUALLY MUCH MORE

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VAST AND LESS DENSE, DENSELY POPULATED BUILDINGS.

THERE'S FEWER PEOPLE PER 1000FT².

SO THIS FORMS THE BASIS FOR CREATING THOSE IMPACT FEES, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO KNOW, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO CHARGE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, VERSUS WHAT ARE WE GOING TO CHARGE A NEW WAREHOUSE OR A NEW GAS STATION OR A NEW SUPERMARKET? AND IT HAS TO HAVE A LOGIC BEHIND IT BECAUSE IT CAN'T BE ARBITRARY.

SO BRINGING IT ALL TOGETHER, WE TAKE THE COST BASIS.

AND THIS IS WHERE WE IDENTIFY THE EXACT COST BASIS.

ON THE FIRE SIDE, IT'S 108 MILLION AND 913,000.

ON THE POLICE SIDE IT'S 56,329,000.

AND THEN THE EXISTING CAPACITY SERVED, IT'S MEASURED IN SOMETHING CALLED ED USE, WHICH MEANS EQUIVALENT DWELLING UNITS.

IT CURRENTLY SERVES 56,429 EQUIVALENT DWELLING UNITS.

AND THEN THE FUTURE CAPACITY ADDED BY THE CAPITAL THAT WE PROGRAMED IN IS ESSENTIALLY 100% INCREASE IN THAT CAPACITY.

SO WE TAKE THE COST BASIS, DIVIDE IT BY YOUR CAPACITY, AND THAT GETS US TO YOUR CALCULATED IMPACT FEE.

THESE ARE THE RESULTS FOR THE FIRE IMPACT FEES.

YOU CAN SEE ALL THE WAY TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS THE SCHEDULE LABELED BY 2018 FEES.

THOSE ARE YOUR CURRENT FEES THAT YOU CHARGE DEVELOPMENT.

IN THE MIDDLE. THERE YOU CAN SEE THE FEES THAT ARE UPDATED BY THIS STUDY.

STARTING FROM THE TOP $930 PER SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNIT, $698 PER MULTIFAMILY DWELLING UNIT, $567 PER MOBILE HOME, $1,000 AND $1,070 PER 1000FT² OF RETAIL COMMERCIAL SPACE.

$112 FOR INDUSTRIAL AND THEN 279 FOR OFFICE INSTITUTIONAL.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS A FEE THAT'S ONLY CHARGED TO NEW DEVELOPMENT UNITS THAT ARE COMING IN.

AND IT'S CHARGED USUALLY AT THE TIME OF BUILDING PERMIT ISSUANCE.

THIS IS THE FIRE IMPACT FEE PHASE IN SCHEDULE, AND I'LL GO BACK FOR A SECOND JUST TO SHOW YOU AT THE TOP LEVEL THAT SINGLE FAMILY IMPACT FEE.

IF YOU GO ALL THE WAY TO THE RIGHT, THAT'S A 50% CHANGE.

SO THAT'S ACTUALLY RIGHT AT THE LIMIT THAT THE STATUTES NOW DESCRIBE.

BUT THAT 50% CHANGE WOULD HAVE TO BE PHASED IN OVER FOUR YEARS.

SO WE PREPARE A FOUR YEAR SCHEDULE FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO ADOPT OR CONSIDER FOR ADOPTION.

AND IT WOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO ORDINANCE.

SO THESE FEES WOULD LEVEL UP ESSENTIALLY ANNUALLY ACCORDING TO THE SCHEDULE.

BY THE FOURTH YEAR, YOU WOULD REACH THAT 50% INCREASE OF $930.

NOT ALL OF THE FEES PER LAND USE WERE A 50% INCREASE.

SO YOU COULD SEE SOME OF THEM ARE EITHER PHASED IN OVER TWO YEARS OR PHASED IN OVER ONE YEAR.

BUT THE SINGLE FAMILY AND THE MULTIFAMILY HIGHLIGHTED IN THE ORANGE YOU CAN SEE PHASED IN OVER FOUR YEARS.

THIS SLIDE HERE SUMMARIZES THE RESULTS OF THE POLICE IMPACT FEE.

AND THEN THE REST OF THE FEES ARE SHOWN ACCORDINGLY.

SO BECAUSE IT'S A 25% INCREASE, IT COULD BE PHASED IN OVER TWO YEARS RATHER THAN FOUR YEARS.

AND THIS SHOWS THAT SCHEDULE OF PHASING IN THE INCREASE.

IT'S LISTENING. SO THESE ARE SOME SURVEYS THAT WE PUT TOGETHER.

AND I FIRST CAUTION YOU LOOKING AT THE SURVEY, THERE'S A LOT OF FACTORS THAT CAN PLAY INTO THE IMPACT FEES THAT CITIES HAVE.

ONE OF THEM IS THE AGE OF THE IMPACT FEE.

SOME CITIES I'VE WORKED WITH GO DECADES WITHOUT LOOKING AT THEIR IMPACT FEES, SO THEY COULD REPRESENT COSTS IN THE 90S RATHER THAN TODAY'S COSTS. THEY MAY HAVE DIFFERENT LEVELS, LEVELS OF SERVICE.

THEY MAY HAVE DIFFERENT SERVICE POPULATIONS.

THEY COULD BE RURAL CITIES WITH, MUCH LESS DENSE OCCUPATION OF THEIR, THEIR, THEIR LAND AREA.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF FACTORS THAT PLAY INTO IT.

BUT ESSENTIALLY IF IF YOU WERE A FAR, FAR OUTLIER, SAY YOU WERE CHARGING THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE IN THE STATE, IT WOULD BE CONCERNING, AND WE'D HAVE TO TAKE A SECOND LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING INTO THIS CALCULATION.

CURRENTLY YOU CAN YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE FEE IS AT IN THE ORANGE, AND THEN IN THE GREEN SHOWS WHERE THE FEE WOULD BE AT FOUR YEARS FROM NOW.

SO NOT ONLY IS IS THAT, ANOTHER THING TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION IS THAT CITIES AND COUNTIES COULD BE LOOKING AT INCREASING THEIR FEES AS WELL WITHIN THE

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NEXT FOUR YEARS, SO THE SURVEY COULD CHANGE OVER TIME.

IN THIS.

THIS IS THE SURVEY FOR THE POLICE.

IMPACT FEES AND SAME THING.

THE ORANGE IS THE CURRENT FEE.

THE GREEN IS THE FUTURE FEE FOUR YEARS FROM NOW.

WOULD ACTUALLY BE TWO YEARS FOR POLICE SINCE IT'S PHASED IN OVER TWO YEARS.

SO THE NEXT STEPS YOU.

NOW THAT WE'VE COMPLETED OUR STUDY, WE ARE DOCUMENTING THE RESULTS IN A REPORT THAT'S WOULD BE YOU KNOW, IT'S A PUBLIC REPORT THAT'S OFFICIAL.

IT SHOWS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU FOLLOWED THE PRESCRIBED PROCEDURES FOR FOR CALCULATING IMPACT FEES.

AND, AND THEY ADHERE TO THE STATE STATUTES, GUIDELINES, ETC..

YOU WOULD THEN CONSIDER ADOPTION OF A FOUR YEAR SCHEDULE OR ANYWHERE IN BETWEEN.

CITIES HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO ADOPT IMPACT FEES AT 100% 50% COST RECOVERY.

IT'S REALLY UP TO THE CITY TO CHOOSE WHAT'S BEST FOR ITS COMMUNITY.

AND YOU WOULD SET A PUBLIC HEARING DATE FOR ADOPTION, AND LEGALLY, YOU'D HAVE TO PROVIDE NOTICE 90 DAYS PRIOR TO THE ACTUAL CHARGING OF IMPACT FEES.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, WE'D WORK TOGETHER WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY TO UPDATE, YOU KNOW, THE ORDINANCE WITH SCHEDULES OF THE NEW IMPACT FEES, ETC..

SO WITH THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE STUDY OR THE IMPACT FEES.

AND THAT'S THE CONCLUSION OF MY PRESENTATION.

I'LL START ON MY LEFT.

COUNCILMAN FOSTER ANY.

YES. QUESTIONS? YES, I HAVE A I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

I LOOKED AT THE METHODOLOGY.

THE HYBRID METRIC METHODOLOGY.

THAT'S THE ONE YOU RECOMMEND WE USE.

BUT MY QUESTION IS.

PRIOR TO THIS STUDY, WHAT METHODOLOGY THAT WE WAS USING IN THE PAST, WHAT CAUSED US TO WHAT YOU KNOW, YOU MADE A STATEMENT THAT SOME CITIES TOOK ADVANTAGE OF IMPACT FEE.

THE PALM BAY TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THE IMPACT FEE BACK TEN, 20 YEARS AGO.

OR CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THAT? YEAH, AND I GUESS I'D REVISE THAT BECAUSE TAKING TAKING ADVANTAGE OF IT SOUNDS A LITTLE AGGRESSIVE, BUT I JUST SAY THAT IN THE PAST, THERE WEREN'T AS STRICT GUIDELINES BY THE STATE AND THE STATES GETTING MORE AND MORE STRICT ON IMPACT FEES, SINCE THERE'S A LOT OF ATTENTION ON GROWTH IN THE STATE, AND CITIES EVERYWHERE ARE TAKING A LOOK AT THEIR IMPACT FEES.

IN CURRENT YEARS.

SO, AND THEN TO GO BACK TO THE FIRST PART OF YOUR QUESTION, THE HYBRID APPROACH IS THE SAME APPROACH WE TOOK BACK IN 2019.

SO IT'S ACTUALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE SAME WAY WE CALCULATED THE FEES BEFORE.

IT'S JUST THAT WE SUGGEST THAT CITIES RECALCULATE THESE FEES EVERY SO OFTEN.

THAT WAY THEY DON'T GET OLD AND THEY DON'T REPRESENT OLD DATA.

THEY REPRESENT THE THE LATEST DATA ACTUALLY IN THE STATUTES.

IT SAYS THAT IMPACT FEES SHOULD REPRESENT LOCALIZED AND RECENT DATA.

SO BASICALLY THEY'RE SUGGESTING THAT A CITY WOULD, RELOOK AT THE IMPACT FEES, RECALCULATE THEM, MAKE SURE THAT THEY REPRESENT YOUR CURRENT DEMOGRAPHICS AND SERVICE POPULATION AND THE CURRENT ASSUMPTIONS OF GROWTH AND THE COST OF SERVICE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT MY CONCERN IS, THE CITY OF PALM BAY IS GROWING REAL FAST POPULATION WISE. THE WHOLE STATE OF FLORIDA IS GROWING.

I MEAN, WE WAS, NEW YORK WAS RANKED NUMBER THREE AS FAR AS POPULATION IN THE UNITED STATES, CALIFORNIA, TEXAS, NEW YORK.

NOW THE STATE OF FLORIDA IS RANKED NUMBER THREE.

AND THE POPULATION IS BOOMING ALL OVER THE STATE.

SO IT SEEMED LIKE ESPECIALLY FOR PALM BAY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CALCULATE THIS, WHAT, EVERY FOUR YEARS OR EVERY OTHER YEAR OR, DEPENDING ON THE POPULATION GROWTH.

BECAUSE WHEN I MOVED HERE, THE CITY OF BAILEY WAS 100,136 38,000.

I MEAN, WHAT IS YOUR SUGGESTION? WHAT IS YOUR COMMENT ABOUT THAT? I THINK IN LIGHT OF RECENT DEVELOPMENTS AND GROWTH, ESPECIALLY IN YOUR AREA, YOU'RE RIGHT, PALM BAY IS GROWING VERY RAPIDLY.

I WOULD SUGGEST THE CITY LOOKS AT IT EVERY FOUR YEARS BECAUSE, ACCORDING TO THE STATUTES, YOU CAN'T ADOPT AN INCREASE MORE THAN ONCE IN A FOUR YEAR TIME PERIOD. SO EVERY FOUR YEARS YOU CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT AND UPDATE IT WITH THE CURRENT COST AND THE CURRENT GROWTH PROJECTIONS.

AND THAT WAY YOU'LL KEEP PACE WITH THE, THE, THE MAXIMUM YOU CAN, RECOVER FROM IMPACTS, FEE REVENUE.

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YEAH. MY MY CONCERN IS ABOUT THE RESIDENTS, WHEN YOU SAY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES PAYING THE IMPACT FEE, THAT'S THAT'S MY CONCERN.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE PUTTING A LITTLE BIT MORE BURDEN ON THEM.

BUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, WE ALL LIVE IN THE SAME CITY, AND WE WANT THE BEST FOR OUR OUR RESIDENTS.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MAYOR. THANK YOU.

YEAH, WELL, COUNCILMAN FOSTER, I BELIEVE IT'S THE DEVELOPER, NOT.

NOT SPECIFIC TO THAT, BUT I GET YOUR POINT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WELL, THANK YOU MAYOR.

YEAH, IF I MAY.

SO THE INCREASE GOES FOR YEARS, RIGHT? AN INCREMENT OF ONCE, YOU KNOW, EVERY YEAR THE DECREASE, DOES IT DO THE SAME OR.

IT LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T QUITE WORK THAT WAY.

YEAH. I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS.

I'M LIKE, IT SHOULD PROBABLY BE EQUAL ALL ACROSS, BUT, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT.

I UNDERSTAND WHY WE SHOULD DO THIS AND WHY.

WHY ARE WE LOOKING AT THIS? POTENTIALLY. ONE OF MY CONCERN IS I'M LOOKING AT THE FIRE FOR SINGLE FAMILY.

AND IN COMPARISON TO THE OTHER MUNICIPALITY OR COUNTY THAT WE COMPARE TO PALM BAY, WE'RE ALREADY UP THERE IN TERMS OF ALL FEES.

WAS BECAUSE AS WE DO THIS SHOULD SHOULD THIS, SHOULD WE CONSIDER THAT MOVING FORWARD? IT'S QUITE AN INCREASE.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 50% AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S OVER FOUR YEARS.

MY CONCERN IS YES, WE ARE GROWING.

WE'RE ONE OF THE FASTEST GROWING IN THE US.

WE MADE THE TOP TOP THREE I THINK THIS YEAR, LAST YEAR WE EVEN MAKE THE NUMBER ONE.

THAT. THAT'S GOOD.

AND IT DOES COME WITH SOME CHALLENGES AS WELL.

OBVIOUSLY, WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, PREPARE AND, PLAN FOR.

MY CONCERN IS PALM BAY, ALSO ONE OF THE MOST AFFORDABLE COMMUNITY IN FLORIDA, IF NOT THE US, WHERE YOU CAN MOVE HERE.

GREAT. YOU CAN MOVE YOUR FAMILY HERE.

YOU CAN STRETCH YOUR MONEY, RIGHT? HAVE A BEAUTIFUL LIVING FOR YOUR FAMILY.

RIGHT. AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO ATTRACT.

YOU KNOW, PUT THAT OUT THERE OR.

PUT PALM BAY OUT THERE AS ONE OF THE GREAT CITY.

YOU CAN YOU CAN GET GET GOOD RETURN ON ON YOUR INVESTMENT.

MY CONCERN IS DOING SO.

IF SHOULD WE ADOPT THIS? ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE, NOT ALL OF IT.

WHAT I'M SAYING IS, AS WE CONSIDER THAT I WOULD WANT TO.

BASKETTE IT ALL IN ONE ONE BASKET WHERE WE VOTE ONE VOTE.

BECAUSE I'M NOT READY TO SUPPORT SOME ASPECT OF IT.

AND I TELL YOU WHY.

A DEVELOPER IS LOOKING AT THIS, OKAY? YOU KNOW, I'M IN IT TO MAKE MONEY, RIGHT? WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS THEY'RE GOING TO PASS THE COST TO THE BUYER, TO THE END USER.

THAT'S WHAT DEVELOPER DO, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY NEED TO MAKE MONEY.

SO I THINK IT'S A BIT AGGRESSIVE.

THE 50%.

SO THAT THOSE ARE MY CONCERN AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

I HAD THAT CONVERSATION WITH MISS, MISS SHERMAN, I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT.

IMPACT FEES AND TREAT THEM SEPARATELY, NOT THROW THEM ALL IN ONE BASKET AND JUST PASS THEM.

SO THAT THAT.

THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.

I'LL START BY SAYING, THE GROWTH THAT WE'VE HAD.

THIS IS A MECHANISM THAT WE COULD PLAY A LITTLE CATCH UP.

AND WHEN IT COMES TO AND I UNDERSTAND THE SINGLE FAMILY ISSUE, BUT MOST OF OUR CALLS AND OUR EQUIPMENT ARE NEEDED FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, AND THIS IS ALL FIRST RESPONDERS BASE, RIGHT? SECOND THING IS, WE HAVEN'T EVEN DISCUSSED THE IMPACT FEES FOR, OUR ROADWAYS, RIGHT? THAT THAT IS A KEY TO TO OUR DISCUSSION, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A HUGE IMPACT ON, ON THAT INFRASTRUCTURE.

BUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE AND THAT I WANT TO PREPARE COUNCIL FOR THAT DISCUSSION, BECAUSE THESE ARE SOME DECISIONS, WHEN IT COMES TO, TO AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW, YOU KNOW, SOME SOME FOLKS SAY MORATORIUM, OTHER FOLKS MAY, MAY THINK OF AN OPPORTUNITY.

HOW DO WE CATCH UP TO THIS INFRASTRUCTURE?

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WE HAD OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, FOR YEARS, AND I GET A RAISE FOR YEARS.

AND THEN WHEN YOU MENTIONED THE COUNTY, MY QUESTION, I'M NOT SURE YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO FIRE, BECAUSE FIRE WAS, WAS ACTUALLY ISOLATED ON ON THAT ON THAT IMPACT FEE, DOES THE COUNTY HAVE A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT FOR THEIR FIRE DEPARTMENT? THAT'S TRUE.

YEAH. OKAY.

SO YOU WOULD KNOW. YEAH.

YES, SIR. SO SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IT'S NOT FAIR TO SAY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT FOR FIRE DO WE.

YOU WERE GOING TO SAY SOMETHING, MADAM ATTORNEY.

THE SPECIAL ASSESSMENT, I DON'T THINK GOES TO THE DIFFERENCE IN IMPACT FEE IS JUST A MATTER OF, OF REALLY HOW THEY'RE PAYING IT.

YEAH. SO THE THE IMPACT FEE CALCULATION IS THE SAME REGARDLESS FOR IF WE WERE TO DO THIS STUDY FOR THE COUNTY, THERE REALLY WOULDN'T BE ANY CHANGES IF SINCE THEY HAVE THAT ASSESSMENT WHAT THE ASSESSMENT DOES IT.

IT'S A DEDICATED FUNDING SOURCE, AN ANNUAL DEDICATED FUNDING SOURCE.

THAT'S MY POINT.

RATHER, THAT'S EXACTLY MY POINT.

THERE'S A DEDICATED ANNUAL FUNDING SOURCE AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT.

SO YEAH, THEY COULD PROBABLY AFFORD TO KEEP THAT IMPACT FEES.

LOW. SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS ON THIS.

BUT THAT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE COUNTIES AND, AND, COUNCILMAN FOSTER HIGHLIGHTED HOW LOW THOSE WERE.

SO I WANTED TO JUST, YOU KNOW, APPLES AND APPLES IS THAT.

YEAH, THEY'RE LOW, BUT THEY GOT A DEDICATED FUNDING SOURCE.

AND THE CITY OF PALM BAY DOES NOT HAVE A DEDICATED FUNDING SOURCE FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK ON THAT.

I GUESS THE REST IS GOING TO BE OUR DISCUSSION, MADAM SHERMAN.

YES, SIR. SO WE BROUGHT YOU THIS PRESENTATION.

THE, AS I MENTIONED TO YOU, ALL THE TRAFFIC IMPACT FEE STUDY, WE GOT THE WHAT WE THINK IS CLOSE TO FINAL DRAFT LAST WEEK.

SO WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THAT AND BRINGING YOU THAT OTHER PRESENTATION IN THE NEXT MEETING OR TWO.

AND THEN ONCE WE'VE PRESENTED ALL THAT DATA, WE'LL COME BACK WITH A FOLLOW UP ITEM WHERE WE'LL GET SOME DIRECTION FROM YOU ALL AND HOW YOU WANT TO PROCEED.

OKAY. YEAH. BECAUSE IF WE'RE GOING TO, WE HAVE TO LUMP IT ALL TOGETHER TO FIGURE THAT OUT.

FIGURE OUT THE FORMULA.

ALL RIGHT. BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK, SIR.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. MAYOR, DEPUTY MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, CITY MANAGER.

SO WE APPARENTLY WE HAVE ANOTHER PRESENTATION.

OR IS THIS PART OF THE PRESENTATION OKAY? PUBLIC COMMENTS RANDALL OLSZEWSKI.

[PUBLIC COMMENTS/RESPONSES]

GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR.

GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL. MY NAME IS RANDALL OLSZEWSKI.

I LIVE AT 348 BROOK STREET NORTHEAST.

I APPRECIATE YOU LETTING ME SPEAK AS A FOLLOW UP TO THIS PRESENTATION.

I'D JUST LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT, YOU KNOW, TO THE COUNCIL AND TO THE PUBLIC IN GENERAL, THE FACT THAT THIS VERY COUNCIL SPEAKS AGAINST, QUITE OFTEN THROUGH THE HELP OF THE CONSULTANT, AGAINST THE CAP ON THE PROPERTY TAX INCREASES YEAR TO YEAR ON THE CITIZENS.

BUT WHEN WE'RE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION AND WE'RE BEING PRESENTED WITH THIS INFORMATION, THERE'S HESITANCY TO RISE THE COSTS THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS TO PAY TO PUT SOMEBODY HERE.

SO THERE'S HESITANCY AGAINST THE LIMITS ON MY TAX BILL, BUT THEN THERE'S HESITANCY AGAINST RAISING ON THE DEVELOPER.

IT SEEMS IMBALANCED, AND IT SEEMS TO FAVOR THE DEVELOPERS THERE.

THE IDEA THAT POLICE AND FIRE SPECIFICALLY, WE WON'T TALK ABOUT PARKS AND RECREATION, WE WON'T TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC BECAUSE WE WEREN'T PRESENTED ON THAT.

THE IDEA THAT POLICE AND FIRES LEVEL OF SERVICE TODAY IS SUFFICIENT.

I DON'T THINK ANYONE WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.

THE IDEA THAT THEY DON'T NEED MORE RESOURCE, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.

THE IDEA THAT THESE PROBLEMS DON'T LEND THEMSELVES TO THE OTHER PROBLEMS. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.

AN EXAMPLE, OUR TRAFFIC DIVISION OF OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT CHIEF WILL CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

IS SIX INDIVIDUALS, 88MI², 800 AND MR. WATANABE, CORRECT ME. 11 MILES OF LINEAR ROAD.

SIX PEOPLE IN CHARGE OF THE TRAFFIC NIGHTMARE THAT IS OUR CITY.

I SEE SOME PEOPLE IN THE FRONT ROW. THEY'RE GOING TO TALK TO YOU IN PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION ABOUT THE TRAFFIC NIGHTMARE AND LOGMAR, WHICH IS CAUSED BY OUR LACK OF FUNDING AND OUR LACK OF SUPPORT BY BREVARD PUBLIC SCHOOLS TO SUPPORT ALL THIS GROWTH.

SO WE GET THE THE DREAM SAVER CHARTER SCHOOLS COME IN AND RUIN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND CAUSE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS. BUT THOSE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS CAN'T BE MITIGATED BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH RESOURCE IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

AND THAT'S NOT THAT'S AN ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO NOW WE LOOK TO THE NORTHWEST OF OUR CITY.

WE LOOK AT THE SWAMPLAND.

FIVE, TEN, 15 YEARS AGO WAS NOTHING BUT BEAUTIFUL.

PRISTINE SWAMP IS NOW BEING TURNED INTO SOMETHING OF VALUE.

WELL, IF SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO OUR CITY, THEY'RE GOING TO NEED TO PAY TO TO COME TO GET YOU GOT TO PAY TO PLAY.

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SO IF A DEVELOPER WANTS TO MAKE THE DECISION TO GO OUT AND PAVE ALL THESE ROADS AND BRING ALL THESE HOUSES, THEY NEED TO COMPENSATE US FOR THE IMPACT THAT THEY ARE CAUSING TO OUR COMMUNITY.

NOW, IF THEY'RE A LITTLE SHY AT OUR IMPACT FEES, I THINK THAT THEY'LL GET OVER IT WHEN THEY REALIZE THAT MORE THAN 50% OF OUR LAND MASS IS STILL YET TO BE DEVELOPED, WE HAVE ONE OF THE MOST, RIPE FOR GROWTH AND RIPE FOR DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITIES IN THE ENTIRE STATE, ARGUABLY THE COUNTRY.

IF ANYBODY IS GOOD AT RESEARCH DEVELOPERS WHEN THEY COME HERE, THEY NEED TO REALIZE THAT IT IS A LAND OF OPPORTUNITY, BUT THEY ALSO NEED TO REALIZE THAT IT IS A LAND THAT IS RIGHT NOW IN PERIL, AND IS A PRESSURE COOKER THAT IS OVERWHELMED AND TO NOT PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE, WHICH IS CALCULATED BY THE SAME GENTLEMAN AND THE SAME CONSULTANT THAT TELLS US WHAT OUR FAIR SHARE, OUR PROPERTY TAX BILL IS.

DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME, AND I DON'T THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO ANYBODY STANDING BEHIND ME.

SO, MADAM SHERMAN, DID YOU WANT TO HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION ON ON THIS PRESENTATION, OR DO YOU WANT TO LUMP IT ALL TOGETHER SO THAT WE COULD, MAKE THAT DIRECTION? YES.

CORRECT, SIR. SO WE'LL BRING BACK THE, TRANSPORTATION, TRAFFIC IMPACT FEES, STUDY RESULTS.

THAT'S A DIFFERENT CONSULTANT HANDLING THAT ONE.

THEN FOLLOWING THAT, WE WILL HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE GLOBAL IMPACT OF ALL OF THOSE IMPACT FEES AND HOW YOU'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD.

OKAY. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS? I'M GOING TO SAY MY MY REMARKS WHEN WE'RE VOTING ON IT.

OH, SO WHEN THE.

I'M AWAY. COPY THAT, SIR.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

SO WE'RE NOW ON, PUBLIC COMMENTS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. MR. RON COOK.

GOOD EVENING. I'M RON COOK, 714 PENGUIN AVENUE, NORTHEAST PALM BAY.

WE HAVE ALL COME TO YOU REGARDING THE ONGOING TRAFFIC PROBLEM THAT PINEAPPLE COVE ACADEMY CONTINUES TO CREATE ON NESBIT, ON NESBIT, AND NOW MULTIPLE OTHER STREETS WITHIN LAMAR. I WILL REFER TO PINEAPPLE COVE ACADEMY AS PC, AS I ONLY HAVE THREE MINUTES TO TALK AND I'M GOING TO TALK FAST.

AS YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE PAST MEETINGS WITH THE CITY PC AND THE RESIDENTS HAVE OCCURRED.

PC WAS GOING TO LOOK INTO BUSSES AND WE WERE GOING TO WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE AN ANSWER IN JULY OF 2023.

WELL, PC CANCELED THAT MEETING FOR JULY.

SCHOOL THEN STARTED.

PERFECT TIMING. HOW CONVENIENT FOR THEM.

WHAT EFFORTS DID THE CITY MAKE TO ESTABLISH A NEW MEETING, IF ANY? I HEARD OF NONE.

AFTER. AFTER PC BUILDING PLANS WERE APPROVED BY THE CITY, PC CHANGED THE TRAFFIC PLANS WITHOUT THE CITY'S KNOWLEDGE.

AND THAT'S AN ABSOLUTE FACT.

THE CITY SIGNED OFF ON THE CEO NOT KNOWING THAT PC DELIBERATELY CHANGED THE PLANS.

WHY WASN'T THE PERMIT REVOKED? WHAT HAPPENED TO RESTRICTING THE SEVENTH AND EIGHTH GRADE THAT WE DISCUSSED THAT THE CITY WAS GOING TO INFORM PC LAST YEAR UNLESS THEY COMPLY WITH THE TRAFFIC? THEY DID NOT COMPLY AND NOW THEY HAVE AN EIGHTH GRADE.

SO CITY, WHAT HAPPENED? SOME POLICE OFFICERS ARE TELLING DRIVERS TO PARK ON HOMEOWNERS LAWNS.

THEY SAY IT'S THE CITY'S PROPERTY.

TOTALLY INCORRECT.

IT IS NOT THE CITY'S PROPERTY.

THE HOMEOWNER IS THE SERVIENT ESTATE OF THE OF THE EASEMENT.

THE SERBIAN ESTATE IS THE PARTY WHO OWNS THE UNDERLYING PROPERTY.

THAT'S THE HOMEOWNER.

THE SERBIAN ESTATE HOLDS THE BURDEN OF EASEMENT AND ALLOWS THE OTHER PARTY, THE CITY, TO USE THEIR PROPERTY WHILE THEY MAINTAIN POSSESSION OF THE PROPERTY TITLE.

THE OWNER OF THE SERBIAN LAND MAY MAKE AN ANY USE OF THAT LAND THAT DOES NOT UNDULY INTERFERE WITH THE EASEMENT HOLDER'S USE OF THE EASEMENT.

BOTTOM LINE.

THE EASEMENT IS OWNED BY THE LANDOWNER.

POLICE NEED TO FOLLOW FLORIDA STATUTE 316 194.

NO VEHICLE WILL PARK OBSTRUCTING TRAFFIC.

THEY ARE PARKED.

NESBITT IS A NOT IS.

EXCUSE ME. NESBITT IS A TWO LANE ROADWAY, NOT A ONE LANE ROADWAY.

THE LINE OF PARKED VEHICLES, BY ALL MEANS, ARE OBSTRUCTING TRAFFIC.

CAR START LINING UP 45 MINUTES TO AN HOUR BEFORE DISMISSAL.

THEY ARE NOT QUIETLY.

THEY'RE NOT QUICKLY STOPPING TO DROP OFF OR PICK UP STUDENTS, AS THE FLORIDA STATE STATUTE CLEARLY STATES, IS AN EXCEPTION.

SOME ARE ASLEEP IN THE CARS, OTHERS ARE READING BOOKS FOR AN HOUR, 45 MINUTES, WHATEVER.

CARS ARE STILL GOING DOWN NEPTUNE AND THEY'RE SPEEDING.

NESBITT. NEEDLE.

THE THE PROBLEM DID NOT OCCUR TO US.

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IT DID NOT OCCUR FROM THE CITY.

IT ALL OCCURRED BY PINEAPPLE COVE.

IT'S JUST THAT SIMPLE.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. PLEASE DO SOMETHING.

THANK YOU. MR. DARREN WARNER. GOOD EVENING, DARREN VARNER.

214 HURST.

I'M ALSO HERE TO TALK ABOUT PINEAPPLE COVE.

IT'S NOTHING'S REALLY GOTTEN DONE.

I MEAN, THEY'VE MADE CHANGES.

THERE'S STILL ISSUES.

A KID GOT HIT THE OTHER WEEK.

I HATE TO SEE ANYTHING WORSE HAPPEN.

ISSUES I'VE SEEN PERSONALLY IS I HAD PEOPLE DO U-TURNS IN FRONT OF ME, NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE FOLLOWING, CAUSING ISSUES WITH TRAFFIC.

WHETHER THE PEOPLE BLOCK THE ROAD BY SITTING ON SOMEONE'S LAWN OR IN THE TRAFFIC STILL IMPEDING TRAFFIC, AND IT'S JUST A MESS TRYING TO GET IN AND OUT OF THERE.

AND YOU GOT TO BE VERY CAREFUL THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HIT A KID OR SOMETHING.

ALSO HAD PEOPLE IN FRONT OF ME AT INTERSECTIONS COME LIKE, THERE'S A CERTAIN WAY THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO LEAVE.

WELL, THEY MIGHT NOT WANT TO GO THAT DIRECTION.

SO THEY'RE DOING U-TURNS AT INTERSECTIONS RIGHT IN FRONT OF.

THAT'S LIKE I TRIED TO GET OUT ON THE ROAD ONE DAY.

SOME PARENTS ARE PARKING AWAY FROM THE SCHOOL, AND THE KIDS ARE WALKING TO THEIR CARS.

I'VE SAW A LITTLE KID GO CATTY CORNER ACROSS EMERSON.

THERE'S NO CROSSWALKS THERE, AND HE ALMOST GOT HIT.

PARENTS ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE WAITING FOR THEIR KIDS.

IT'S EASIER FOR THEM TO GET OUT WHEN THEY'RE DONE RATHER THAN WINNING IN THAT LINE.

SOMETHING BAD'S GOING TO HAPPEN IF WE DON'T LOOK AT IT.

I'M NOT UP TO SPEED ON EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED, BUT I'VE HEARD THAT, YOU KNOW, THE ORIGINAL RULES WEREN'T FOLLOWED.

WE'VE CHANGED.

AND WE WANT YOU GUYS ALL GOT TOGETHER AND TRIED TO MAKE THINGS BETTER.

THINGS ARE DIFFERENT NOW THAN THEY WERE.

PEOPLE ARE STILL SPEEDING.

THEY'RE STILL ISSUES.

I THINK. I THINK A MEETING WAS CANCELED.

THAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED.

THERE WAS TALK ABOUT THE BUSSES, WHICH MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY.

THE ONE THING I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS WE HAVE THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS, WE HAVE ODYSSEY.

AND YOU NEVER HEAR MUCH ABOUT TRAFFIC ISSUES THERE.

IT'S, PINEAPPLE COVE WHERE I LIVE AND ALSO EMIT.

AND I THINK THEY HAD AN ACCIDENT THE OTHER WEEK.

SO THERE'S SOMETHING COMMON THERE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT THERE'S A PROBLEM.

I WOULD JUST ASK COUNCIL TO GET A RESPONSE, GET TOGETHER, GET PINEAPPLE COVE TOGETHER AND HAVE US CITIZENS INVOLVED.

AND LET'S SIT AND TALK AND DO MORE THAN TALK.

LET'S TRY TO GET A SOLUTION THAT WILL WORK FOR EVERYBODY SO THAT WE CAN PUT THIS TO BED.

IT'S JUST EVERYONE.

IT'S LIKE A CONSTANT THING WITH EVERYONE, THE RESIDENTS THERE.

NOT EVERYONE COMES HERE AND COMPLAINS ABOUT IT, BUT EVERYONE'S HAD ENOUGH OF IT AND WE'D LIKE TO GET IT FIXED.

NEXT SPEAKER, MISS LAURA REVELLE.

HI, MY NAME IS LAURA REVELS.

I'M A 27 YEAR RESIDENT OF PALM BAY AND I LIVE AT 410 NEPTUNE DRIVE.

I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT PCA AS WELL.

THE TRAFFIC HAS BEEN AN ONGOING ISSUE SINCE THE SCHOOLS OPENED.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE CITY CONTINUES TO ALLOW THEM TO GET AWAY WITH THIS AND NOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

I SEE THE SAME PEOPLE DRIVING DOWN NEPTUNE, CUTTING DOWN NEPTUNE, THE SAME PCA PARENTS CUTTING DOWN NEPTUNE EVERY MORNING AND AFTERNOON TO PICK UP THEIR CHILDREN. I'VE MADE MANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT IT.

THE POLICE COME, THEY DON'T ISSUE THEM TICKETS.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY.

IT'S BEEN ALMOST TWO YEARS NOW.

THEY SHOULD KNOW THE SIGNS ARE THERE NOT TO NOT TO TURN ON TO NEPTUNE.

BUT THEY DO IT ANYWAYS.

I'VE ALSO ENCOUNTERED THEM COMING DOWN, NESBITT AND MAKING U-TURNS.

I'VE HAD TO START WORKING FROM HOME WHEN PINEAPPLE COVE, OPENED BECAUSE I COULDN'T GET OUT OF MY STREET TO GET ONTO EMERSON TO GO TO WORK, AND I COULDN'T GET OFF OF EMERSON TO GET ONTO HERS TO GET HOME IN THE AFTERNOON.

IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING.

THE SCHOOL, WAS GIVEN MANY SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO RECTIFY THE PROBLEM, AND THEY HAVEN'T.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A MEETING.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE CITY HASN'T FOLLOWED UP WITH THEM, WHY THE MEETING WAS CANCELED.

NOW, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF RUMOR ABOUT THEM BUYING THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET.

FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THEY HAVE NOT DONE THAT YET.

BUT MY QUESTION IS, SINCE THERE'S TALK ABOUT PURCHASING THAT PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET TO PUT A HIGH SCHOOL IN, WHO'S GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE WIDENING OF EMERSON LANE OF EMERSON DRIVE TO FOUR LANES? THEY'RE BUILDING AN OLYMPIC SIZED SWIMMING POOL FOR THEIR CURRENT SCHOOL ON MINTON.

BUT YET THEY SAY THEY CAN'T AFFORD BUSSES.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.

WHAT'S WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT? THERE WAS TALK ABOUT BUSSING THEM INTO MINTON, THEIR LOCATION ON MINTON, BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LOT MORE PROPERTY THERE.

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AND THEN BUSSING THEM FROM MINTON TO, LOCKE.

MA, THEY HAVEN'T DONE THAT.

WHO'S THE CITY INSURED BY WHAT COMPANY? IS THE CITY'S INSURANCE CARRIER AWARE THAT THE CITY IS ALLOWING ILLEGAL ACTIVITY EVERY DAY BY ALLOWING ONE LANE TRAFFIC ON A TWO LANE ROADWAY? AND THAT'S NESBITT.

THERE'S ALREADY BEEN AN ACCIDENT WITH A CHILD.

GOT HIT. WILL THE CITY BE ADDED TO THE LAWSUIT FOR CULPABLE NEGLIGENCE WHEN THEY ABSOLUTELY HAVE KNOWLEDGE AND ARE ALLOWING THIS TO CONTINUE? WHY? WHY ARE YOU ALLOWING THIS TO CONTINUE? IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING AND I'M VERY ANGRY BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE NOT DONE ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

YOU KEEP SAYING, WE'RE WORKING ON IT, WE'RE WORKING ON IT, BUT YET, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING? WHAT'S GOING ON? WHAT ARE YOU DOING? THANK YOU.

NEXT SPEAKER. MR..

KEN MORROW.

GOOD EVENING. I'M KEN MOREAU.

128 HURST ROAD IN PALM BAY.

GOT A LITTLE. AS YOU ALL SPOKE ABOUT PALM BAY BEING THE GREATEST CITY TO LIVE IN.

WE ALSO MOVED DOWN ON HURST ROAD ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO.

THE INTENT OF RETIRING, NEVER HAVING TO MOVE AGAIN AND WITH A VERY PEACEFUL NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE LOVED IT. OKAY, THIS IS ALL CHANGED.

THE ENTRANCE TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND EXIT IS OFF OF EMERSON ROAD, SO WE DON'T.

WE ARE NOT SUBJECT TO ANY THROUGH TRAFFIC.

THE ONLY VEHICLES WE WOULD SEE WERE OUR NEIGHBORS.

NOW WE HAVE A CONSTANT FLOW OF TRAFFIC UNNECESSARILY COMING INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS, ABOUT ONE MILE ALL THE WAY DOWN HURST ROAD, AROUND PINEDA AVENUE AND BACK UP NESBIT, PASSING OVER 100 HOMES.

IT HAPPENS BOTH EARLY IN THE MORNINGS, AGAIN IN THE AFTERNOONS.

YOU'RE ALL AWARE OF IT.

EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON.

OKAY? IT'S NO LONGER THE PEACEFUL NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE SOUGHT TO LIVE IN THE SPEED LIMIT ON OUR ROAD 30 MILES AN HOUR.

OKAY, ALTHOUGH THAT ISN'T VERY FAST WHEN YOU HAVE A CONSTANT FLOW OF TRAFFIC AND VEHICLES DRIVING BY.

PEOPLE WALKING.

IT CREATES A VERY HAZARDOUS CONDITION, ESPECIALLY SINCE THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS.

WE ARE FORCED TO WALK ON THE EDGES OF THE ROADS.

OKAY. WE HAVE WE HAVE HAD MULTIPLE MEETINGS TALKING ABOUT IT, BUT SO FAR NOTHING HAS REALLY BEEN DONE TO RECTIFY IT.

WE WANT TO KNOW WHY.

WHAT'S HAPPENING? IT'S BEEN A YEAR AND A HALF IS GOING BY.

NO CHANGES.

OKAY. MORE THAN AMPLE TIME FOR THIS TO HAVE BEEN RESOLVED.

YOU'RE IGNORING THE SAFETY OF PEDESTRIANS WALKING DOWN THE STREET.

YOU'RE IGNORING THE SAFETY OF NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC, TRYING TO GET OUT OF THE ROADS WHILE IT'S BEING BLOCKED BY THE CARS PARKED, WAITING TO GET OUT OF THE SCHOOLS.

SHAME ON YOU ALL FOR ALLOWING THIS TO CONTINUE AND RUIN OUR PEACEFUL NEIGHBORHOOD.

GOD FORBID SOMEBODY GET SERIOUSLY INJURED.

THE TRAFFIC NEEDS TO STAY ON EMERSON ROAD WHERE IT BELONGS.

FOLLOW THE ORIGINAL SCHOOL PATH THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE CITY AND KEEP OFF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS.

I'D APPRECIATE IT IF YOU ALL LOOK INTO THIS DEEPLY AND DO SOMETHING.

THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER, MR. TOM MORRIS. MY NAME IS TOM REESE.

I'M, RESIDING AT, 114 HURST ROAD.

AND I'M HERE ALSO TO TALK ABOUT THE PCA, SCHOOL.

LAMAR, YOU USED TO BE A SAWED-OFF AREA TO LIVE IN AND IN A QUIET AREA TO LIVE IN TO, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL AREA, BUT, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN INVADED BY TRAFFIC.

ALMOST LIKE TEXAS, IN A WAY.

IF I WANT TO BE FUNNY, WE HAVE OVER 400 VEHICLES A DAY TRAVELING DOWN OUR DOWN.

HIRSCH, PAIN, AND NESBITT.

AND I'M SURE THERE'S OTHER STREETS THAT ARE BEING USED, TOO.

WE HAVE 115 HOMES THAT'S IMPACTING THIS TRAFFIC ON NESBITT, HIRSCH AND PINEDA, AND WE HAVE A TOTAL OF 200 HOMES OVERALL IN THAT.

OUR LITTLE COMMUNITY HERE.

AROUND THE LOOP. WE CAN ENJOY THE A WALK, A RIDE, A BIKE, OR EVEN HAVE CHILDREN PLAY NEAR THE NEAR OUR STREETS. I MYSELF AM A WALKER AND I'VE HAD PEOPLE SWERVE AT ME.

I'VE HAD PEOPLE I CAN ACTUALLY TOUCH THEM AS THEY'RE DRIVING BY AND THEY DON'T SLOW DOWN.

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AND, IN WHICH I'M SUPPOSED TO WALK WITH THE GRAIN OF TRAFFIC COMING AT ME, WHICH IS THE, COMMON LAW AS A PEDESTRIAN.

YOU GUYS BEEN THROUGH THIS? WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS FOR ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF, AND YOU HAVE NO CONCERN FOR THE SAFETY FOR US AS A RESIDENT, AS A PEDESTRIAN. WE EVEN OUR LAST MEETING THAT WE HAD AT THE, AT THE.

SENIOR CENTER.

THE SUPERINTENDENT SAID THAT HE WOULDN'T WANT PEOPLE GOING DOWN HIS STREET EITHER, JUST LIKE WE ARE HAVING NOW.

WE STILL ARE.

WE NEED TO GET THIS RESOLVED, AND, WE WANT OUR QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD BACK.

WE DON'T WANT ANY MORE TRAFFIC.

IT'S IT'S IT'S A SAFETY HAZARD TO EVERYBODY IN OUR COMMUNITY.

THE ONLY TIME WE HAVE OUR, TRAFFIC IS DURING OUR CHRISTMAS.

WE REALLY CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS.

WE HAVE, ARCHES AND EVERYTHING ELSE OVER THE NEIGHBORHOODS, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DRIVE THROUGH IT AT NIGHT TIME, AND THEY DRIVE SLOW.

THESE PEOPLE THAT DRIVE THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SPEEDING, AND IT'S A HAZARD TO US.

HAZARD TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND THINGS GOTTA HAVE THINGS NEED TO CHANGE THROUGH THAT SCHOOL.

WE NEED TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING.

NEXT SPEAKER, MISTER GREG CROFT.

GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR, AND MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS GREG CROFT, AND MY ADDRESS FOR THE PAST 36 YEARS HAS BEEN 351 NEPTUNE DRIVE NORTHEAST.

I LIVE IN THE LOCHMOOR SUBDIVISION, JUST FIVE HOUSES AWAY FROM THE RECENTLY OPENED PINEAPPLE COVE ACADEMY.

AND I'M HERE TO DISCUSS A SAFETY CONCERN, PROBABLY THE SAME ONE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER RELATED TO THIS SCHOOL.

HOWEVER, I'D LIKE TO MAKE IT CLEAR I REALLY HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THE SCHOOL OPERATING THERE.

I ACTUALLY ADMIRE THE SCHOOL, AND IF MY CHILDREN WERE STILL OF SCHOOL AGE, I'D PROBABLY BE SENDING THEM THERE.

BUT THE REAL ISSUE IS THE TRAFFIC CAUSED BY THE SCHOOL, AND I DON'T JUST THINK OF IT AS A HEADACHE FOR ALL PARTIES INVOLVED, WHICH IT REALLY IS.

I SEE IT AS A SAFETY ISSUE FOR STUDENTS, RESIDENTS AND PARENTS ALIKE.

TWICE A DAY, APPROXIMATELY 250 CARS WIND THEIR WAY THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON A MILE AND A HALF CAR, LOOP THROUGH NARROW RESIDENTIAL STREETS, CROSSING 15 INTERSECTIONS AND NUMEROUS DRIVEWAYS WITH FEW SIDEWALKS TO SPEAK OF.

IN THE AFTERNOON, PARENTS START LINING UP ON NESBIT AT LEAST AN HOUR IN ADVANCE BEFORE SCHOOL LETS OUT.

THIS OFTEN LEADS TO LINES OF GREATER THAN 100 CARS STRETCHING A HALF MILE DOWN NESBIT STREET, BLOCKING ONE LANE OF TRAFFIC.

PEOPLE WILL BE PEOPLE, AND EXCESS TRAFFIC WEARS ON THE NERVES OF BOTH PARENTS AND RESIDENTS ALIKE.

DELAYS HAPPEN.

PEOPLE RUN LATE, TEMPERS CAN FLARE.

I SEE THIS SITUATION, COUPLED WITH THE FACT THAT WE HAVE LOCAL STUDENTS WALKING OR RIDING BIKES TRYING TO NAVIGATE THESE SAME STREETS AT THE SAME TIME, THIS LOOP IS ACTIVE AS A RECIPE FOR DISASTER.

IN THE PAST, SEVERAL SUGGESTIONS HAVE BEEN FLOATED TO IMPROVE SAFETY AND REDUCE TRAFFIC ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS, SUCH AS BUSING AND OR MODIFYING THE PCA CAMPUS TO ACCOMMODATE THE CAR LOOP ON THEIR PROPERTY.

HOWEVER, THESE SUGGESTIONS ARE COSTLY, AND IT'S 100% UP TO JOHN MORAN WHAT HE SPENDS HIS MONEY ON.

WE CAN'T FORCE HIM TO MAKE MODIFICATIONS.

THE CITY HAD THEIR CHANCE TO INSIST ON TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS BEFORE A BUILDING PERMIT WAS ISSUED, AND NOTHING WAS ASKED FOR.

NOW, IN THE CITY'S DEFENSE, IT WAS LULLED INTO A FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY WHEN PCA CONTRACTOR PRESENTED A TRAFFIC STUDY THAT SAID THE SCHOOL WAS CAPABLE OF HANDLING THEIR OWN TRAFFIC ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY WITHOUT CARS BACKING UP ONTO CITY STREETS.

SO WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE US NOW? CAN ANYTHING BE DONE? WELL, THE SCHOOL HAS A DRIVEWAY THAT CAN HOLD ABOUT 80 CARS.

HOWEVER, THE SCHOOL BLOCKS ACCESS TO THAT DRIVEWAY UNTIL A CERTAIN TIME OF DAY IS REACHED.

I BELIEVE IT'S WITHIN THE CITY'S POWER TO INSIST THAT NO WAITING CARS PARK ON NESBITT AND BLOCK THE STREET UNTIL THAT DRIVEWAY IS 100% FILLED. NOW, THIS IS NOWHERE NEAR A SOLUTION TO THE TRAFFIC ISSUE.

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HOWEVER, I BELIEVE IT'S A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

THAT'S LOW COST AND EASY FOR BOTH THE CITY AND THE SCHOOL TO IMPLEMENT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU, MR. BARTON. IS IT REGARDING THIS? BILL BATTEN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

AT A REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING IN OCTOBER, YOU PRESENTED A MANDATORY HOOKUP TO SEWER ORDINANCE 2311 AT A REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING IN NOVEMBER, YOU PRESENTED A PROPOSAL FOR A $2 MILLION GRANT FOR SEPTIC TO SEWER, NOTHING FOR THE MANDATORY MANDATED SEPTIC CONVERSION. AT A REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING IN DECEMBER, YOU PROPOSED A $10 MILLION WRITE OFF FOR SEWER HOOKUP, BENEFITING THOSE THAT HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY ALL ALONG.

AT A REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING IN JANUARY, YOU PRESENTED A SEPTIC REMEDIATION PLAN THAT ALL PALM BAY SEPTIC SYSTEMS BE CONVERTED TO AERATED SYSTEMS AT A COST OF 15,000 TO $30,000, WITH NO PROPOSED FINANCIAL OFFSET TO THOSE AFFECTED.

FIVE WHERE I FIND FAULT WITH MY COUNCIL IS YOU KNEW THIS FINANCIAL IMPACT TO THE RESIDENTS WAS COMING LAST LAST JULY UNDER HOUSE BILL 1379, ITEM NUMBER SIX, I RECOMMEND ALL RESIDENTS CONTACTED ALL OF THEIR ELECTED OFFICIALS AND EXPRESS YOUR CONCERN WITH OF THIS ISSUE.

ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.

WE NEED TO GET THAT GRANT GURU WE JUST HIRED ON THIS PROBLEM ASAP.

THANK YOU. JUST MR. STICE. JUST A SECOND.

MADAM SHERMAN, I WANT YOU TO ADDRESS THE.

THE ISSUE. WE'RE GOING TO GET TO PINEAPPLE COVE AFTER ALL THE SPEAKERS, BUT I WANT YOU TO ADDRESS THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE REGARDING THE SEPTIC AND WHAT WE'VE LEARNED IN OUR TRIP TO TALLAHASSEE.

AND COUPLED WITH, OF COURSE, I WANT TO JUST SAY OUR LEGISLATIVE.

SOMETIMES THEY'RE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.

BUT, WOULD YOU JUST SHARE A LITTLE BIT.

SO, MASTER CHIEF BATTEN MAY HAVE A BIGGER PERSPECTIVE.

AND I'M SORRY, SIR, JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE POTENTIAL CHANGES TO THAT NEW LAW, THE.

YES. YES, SIR.

THE SEPTIC.

YES. SO WE, SO FOR PURPOSES OF THE PUBLIC, YES, THE STATE, BASICALLY MANDATED THAT CITIES BECOME RESPONSIBLE FOR LOOKING AT HOW TO DEAL WITH SEPTIC TANKS WITHIN YOUR JURISDICTION.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO WAS TO DO A STUDY TO FIND OUT NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE ALL THE SEPTIC TANKS, BUT ALSO WHAT IS THE CONDITION OF THOSE SEPTIC TANKS, YOU KNOW, ARE THEY AN OLDER MODEL OR ARE THEY A NEWER, NEWER MODEL? AND SO, RECENTLY AT A MEETING, WE HAD A PRESENTATION BY THE CONSULTANT THAT SHOWED THE DETAILS OF THE CURRENT SEPTIC TANK CONDITIONS IN THE CITY, WITH THE FOCUS ON WHAT THE STATE IS EXPECTING US TO DO AT PRESENT, WHICH THE LAW SAYS THAT BY 2030.

YOU HAVE TO EITHER AS A CITY, YOU HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO EITHER TAKE ALL OF THE EXISTING SEPTIC TANKS AND CONVERT THEM TO A NEW, UPDATED ADVANCED TREATMENT TYPE OF SEPTIC TANK MODEL. OR YOU HAVE TO CONNECT TO THOSE PROPERTIES TO CITY SEWER.

SO A GOAL BY 2030 CLEARLY IS A CHALLENGE TO TO MAKE.

AND WHAT THE RESULTS OF THAT PRESENTATION BY OUR CONSULTANTS SHOWED US, AT A RECENT MEETING, IS THAT IT WOULD COST AROUND $500 MILLION IF YOU COULD EVEN DO IT IN SIX YEARS TO CONVERT ALL OF THE EXISTING SEPTIC TANKS TO AN ADVANCED TREATMENT TANK SYSTEM, $500 MILLION DOLLARS THAT NO ONE HAS CURRENTLY TO TO USE TOWARDS SUCH AN ADVENTURE.

AND THEN WE ISOLATED, CERTAIN AREAS IN THE CITY WHERE WE COULD REASONABLY RUN SEWER LINES, NOT ALL THE AREAS.

AND THAT WOULD BE MANY MORE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

SO THE SHORT, SHORT VERSION, I GUESS, MR. BARTON, OF WHERE WE'RE AT IS THAT WHEN WE WERE MEETING WITH OUR LEGISLATORS IN TALLAHASSEE EARLIER THIS WEEK, THEY'RE ALL VERY MUCH AWARE.

THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF RESPONSE, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, FROM A LOT OF GOVERNMENTS, ABOUT THE THE CHALLENGES WITH THIS.

AND WE'RE ADVOCATING FOR, IF WE'RE GOING TO INVEST IN MAKING SOME OF THESE CHANGES, WE'RE ADVOCATING FOR, OBVIOUSLY A LOT MORE TIME, BUT ALSO THE ABILITY TO RUN SEWER LINES RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, MODIFYING THE THE SEPTIC TANKS BECAUSE OF THE COST, THE COST TO HOOK UP TO CITY SEWER FOR A RESIDENT IS AROUND 20,000, 30,000. AND IT'S THE SAME PRICE, ESSENTIALLY, TO TAKE YOUR OLD SEPTIC TANK AND UPGRADE IT TO AN ADVANCED TREATMENT SYSTEM.

SO WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT WITH THE STATE.

THEY DID ASSURE US THAT THEY'RE THEY'RE GOING TO BE COMING BACK WITH CHANGES TO THAT.

WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU I APPRECIATE IT.

NEXT SPEAKER, DEPUTY MAYOR, MR. STICE. GOOD EVENING.

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FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU AND GODSPEED TO THE PALM BAY OFFICES THAT WERE WOUNDED THIS THIS PAST WEEK.

I TIP MY HAT TO THEM.

LISTEN IN BLUE.

THE LAST TWO MEETINGS HERE.

I WAS VERY PROUD THAT, STAFF VOTED DOWN THE TOWNHOMES.

THAT WAS AT RAMBLEWOOD.

I WAS QUITE PLEASANTLY SURPRISED ABOUT THAT.

AS WELL AS THE APARTMENT THAT WAS GOING TO GO UP AT BY, FIT ON NEXT TO PHILIPO AND FALKIRK.

I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE GET STUCK WITH HERE IS WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING AT TRAFFIC STUDIES, TRAFFIC STUDIES, TRAFFIC STUDIES, TRAFFIC STUDIES SHOULD NOT BE A MAIN INDICATOR.

TRAFFIC SHOULD BE TRAFFIC STUDIES SHOULD BE ONE OF THE INDICATORS.

WE'VE GOT TO LOOK AT HEADS.

HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE MOVING IN AN AREA.

THE WHAT WHAT WE JUST, DEFEATED WAS ABOUT 300 ADDITIONAL PEOPLE ON TOP OF ONE ANOTHER USING EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE.

I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THAT, DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX HAD SAID, WHEN THE PEOPLE WERE SAYING THAT THERE IS NO TRAFFIC PROBLEMS AT 830 IN THE MORNING WHEN I'M TRYING TO GET ON THE ON THE HIGHWAY WITH HIS DAUGHTER.

IT'S ALL A ENORMOUS PRESSURE ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

OKAY? THAT'S NOT MULTIPLE STREETS HERE THAT GETS YOU TO I-95, WHERE WE'RE GOING HERE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GOING TO.

I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GOING TO IMPROVE INFRASTRUCTURE.

WHEN YOU HAVE SEPTIC, YOU HAVE ROADWAYS.

YOU HAVE AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT YOU HAVE TO SPEND FOR FIRE, FIRE EQUIPMENT, STAFF, POLICE, AND THE LIST GOES ON AND ON.

BUT I WILL TELL YOU ABOUT WHAT THE GENTLEMAN, WHAT THE LADIES AND GENTLEMEN ARE TALKING ABOUT.

I'VE SEEN IT A LOT IN MY LIFE.

AND ARE YOU GOING TO ACT ON THE ISSUE THAT THEY HAVE AT THE SCHOOL WHEN SOMEBODY, SOMEBODY IS LAYING IN THE STREET DEAD, IS THAT WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO ACT BECAUSE IT HAPPENS, AND WHEN IT HAPPENS, IT AFFECTS EVERY PERSON'S LIFE PERSONALLY, WHETHER YOU KNOW THAT PERSON OR NOT.

PLEASE WRAP YOUR HEADS AROUND THIS AND COME UP WITH A WITH A SOLUTION.

I INTEND TO TALK TO THIS, BUT AFTER HEARING IT, WE HAVE AN ENORMOUS CHALLENGES THAT ARE IN FRONT OF YOU WITH ALL OF THESE BIG DRAGONS TO SLAY.

AND, I DON'T SEE WHERE THE MONEY'S COMING FROM.

THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO CHAT ABOUT BRIEFLY IS.

YOU KNOW, PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO CHANGE THEIR BEHAVIOR UNLESS IT AFFECTS THEIR WALLET.

PERIOD. SPEEDERS, DOUBLE PARKERS, ETC., ETC..

I DON'T SEE PEOPLE GETTING TICKETS, I REALLY DON'T.

ANOTHER SIDE NOTE, I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR A A MOBILE RADAR UNIT.

I KNOW YOU HAVE SOME CHALLENGES THERE.

YOU'RE COMING WITH SOME, TRYING TO GET TOGETHER WITH SOME ADDITIONAL RADAR UNITS, BUT IT'S BEEN SIX MONTHS NOW.

MAYBE WE COULD LOOK AT THAT, BECAUSE WHEN I GET INTO MY HOA, IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE.

IT'S HARD TO GO THROUGH TWO PAGES WITH ONLY THREE MINUTES, BUT I'LL CATCH THE REST LATER.

AND MADAM CHAIRMAN, WHILE HE COMES UP, THAT MOBILE RADAR DETECTION.

NEXT SPEAKER. SIR.

ANTON EVANS.

IF WE COULD LOOK AT THAT FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, MR. MAYOR AND THE COMMISSIONERS.

I WANT TO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE FOR THE KIDS.

THE KIDS STOP ON BABCOCK BETWEEN BABCOCK AND, THAT SHOULD BE.

SAN FILIPPO. DIDN'T HAVE NOWHERE TO WALK.

AND THE SPEED ON WICHITA BOULEVARD.

MY ADDRESS IS 1681 WICHITA BOULEVARD SOUTHEAST.

AND I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU ALL BECAUSE, I WAS, THE THE THE MONEY TO GET THIS OUT WAS DONE. IT TOOK A YEAR, BUT IN THAT TIME.

I WAS VANDALIZED FOUR TIMES.

WORD GOT OUT THAT I WAS A TROUBLEMAKER.

BESIDES THE FELLOW THAT MY NEIGHBOR HAD TRIED TO RUN ME OVER.

MY MAILBOX BEEN VANDALIZED FOUR TIMES.

TRASHED, THROWN IN THE YARD.

THIS IS WHAT I'VE GONE THROUGH.

AND I.

BUT NOW THAT THE SIDEWALK WILL BE PREPARED OR ALL THE SURVEY HAS BEEN DONE, DRONES FLEW OVER, THEY GOT THE MARKETS, THEY GOT THE STAKES DOWN.

SO I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL.

I CAME HERE TO SAY I APPRECIATE IT.

NOW THE SIDE WILL WILL BE RUN FROM, BABCOCK.

THEY BE AT THE BUS STOP THERE 8:00 IN THE MORNING, AND THEY ALSO, COME.

IT'S NOT BAD IN THE MORNING BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC, BUT IN THE EVENING, THAT'S WHERE IT GETS PRETTY BAD.

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SO I WANT TO SAY I APPRECIATE IT.

THEY WILL HAVE THEIR SIDEWALK.

THEY DIDN'T GIVE ME A TIME FRAME, BUT THEY DID GIVE ME, FEBRUARY OR EITHER MARCH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO, ALL THAT WAS DONE.

IS APPRECIATED.

WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING SPEED BUMPS.

WE TALKED ABOUT PUTTING A FLASHING SIGN 20 MILES AN HOUR, BECAUSE THE SPEED LIMIT IS 30.

BECAUSE IT'S A THOROUGHFARE.

SO OTHER THAN THAT, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR THE COUNCIL AND THE OFFICERS THAT DID GIVE A COUPLE OF TICKETS OUT THERE. AND I APPRECIATE IT.

I TRULY, TRULY APPRECIATE IT.

AND THANKS AGAIN.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ADVOCACY.

OKAY. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER.

MR. OLSZEWSKI.

GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR. GOOD EVENING.

COUNCIL. MY NAME IS RANDALL OLSZEWSKI.

I RESIDE AT 348 BROOK EDGE STREET, NORTHEAST.

I'M VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THE LOK MA COMMUNITY.

THE REASON I'M SO PASSIONATE ABOUT THE LOK MA COMMUNITY.

THERE'S A COUNTRY SONG. IT'S CALLED MAMA'S HOUSE.

EVERY TOWN SHOULD HAVE MAMA'S HOUSE.

MY BABY'S MAMA'S HOUSE.

HER GRANDPARENT'S HOUSE IS IN THE LOK MA NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT'S ON DEVILS CIRCLE.

THAT'S WHERE MY WIFE GREW UP.

I MET MY BEAUTIFUL WIFE IN THE HALLS OF PALM BAY HIGH.

BEEN MARRIED VERY LONG TIME.

THAT COMMUNITY.

WHAT IT MEANS TO ME AND OUR FAMILY.

WHAT IT MEANS TO THESE PEOPLE BEHIND ME, AND THE ONES THAT HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO MAKE IT TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT THIS IS I'M GOING TO USE THE TERM GENERATIONAL WEALTH.

AND THAT'S NOT DOLLARS AND CENTS.

WHEN THESE FOLKS FOUND THEIR THEIR OPPORTUNITIES TO MOVE INTO THE LOK MA NEIGHBORHOOD, A BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD, A GEM OF OUR CITY, PUT IT ONLY NEXT TO BAYSIDE LAKES.

AND HONESTLY, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BETTER.

THEY WANTED TO LEAVE A LEGACY TO THEIR FAMILY.

THEY WANTED TO RAISE THEIR KIDS THERE AND HAVE THEIR GRANDKIDS COME.

MY FATHER IN LAW WAS SO PROUD TO PUT A SWING ON THE MATURE OAK IN HIS BEAUTIFUL YARD, SO MY DAUGHTER COULD SWING ON IT.

WE'RE EXCITED FOR HER TO GROW, AND WE'LL GO TAKE HER THERE AND TAKE HER PROM PICTURES IN FRONT OF THAT SAME GARAGE DOOR THAT ME AND MY WIFE TOOK OUR PROM PICTURES WITH ALL OUR FRIENDS, INCLUDING MR. MORRISON.

HEY, MR. MOREAU. AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS BEING RUINED BY A PRIVATE ENTITY AND DISRESPECTFUL PEOPLE.

NOT EVEN CITIZENS OF PALM BAY.

MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHOSE STUDENTS GO TO PINE COVE ACADEMY IN THAT LOCATION, THEY THEY APPLIED TO EVERY LOCATION THEY COULD GET INTO.

THEY HEARD THE LOK MA ONE.

THEY SAID, SURE, I'LL DRIVE THERE.

YOU GOT PEOPLE GO FROM ROCKLEDGE, VIERA, EVERYWHERE ELSE TO COME INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, INTO OUR CITY AND DISRESPECT IT.

AND I DON'T APPRECIATE IT.

NOW, WHAT THESE PEOPLE DIDN'T MENTION TO YOU IS THAT WHEN THE TRAFFIC IS GOING ALL CRAZY AND EVERYONE'S TRYING TO AVOID EACH OTHER, EVERYONE DRIVES OFF INTO THE GRASS AND RUINS THEIR DITCHES AND THEIR EASEMENTS TOTALLY JUST MUCK MUCK IT UP AND MUDS IT UP AND RUINS THE INTEGRITY OF A BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE MOST BEAUTIFUL, MATURE, NATURAL FLORIDA SCENERY AND LANDSCAPE THAT YOU CAN FIND IN OUR CITY IS IN LOCHMOOR.

EVERYTHING ABOUT IT IS BEAUTIFUL AND WHAT IS HAPPENING IS EGREGIOUS.

NOW SOMEONE MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, IT'S HURST TO PINEY TO ITS PINEY TO AVENUE, NOT PINEY TO CAUSEWAY.

OKAY? PEOPLE COME AROUND HURST, THEY GO 50 MILE AN HOUR DOWN PINEDA.

THEY RUN THE STOP SIGN, THEY DON'T ROLL IT.

THEY RUN IT AND THEY FLOOR IT DOWN.

NESBIT. AS FAR AS THEY CAN GO.

I CALLED IN ABOUT NESBIT AND NELDA, WHICH IS THE TERMINUS NEAR THE SCHOOL.

FIVE WEEKS AGO, WEEK OR TWO AGO, A YOUNG PERSON'S HIT ON A BICYCLE.

IT'S EGREGIOUS.

SAVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

TO MY NEIGHBORS WHO I KNOW ARE LISTENING AGAIN, I'M RANDALL OLSZEWSKI.

I WILL HELP YOU TAKE LOCHMOR BACK BY YOURSELF.

REFLECTORS BY YOURSELF, STAKES BY YOURSELF.

ROCKS. AND I WILL COME TO YOUR DOOR MYSELF AND I WILL INSTALL THEM.

NOBODY'S DRIVING ON YOUR PROPERTY ANYMORE.

ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? THIS CONCLUDE? PUBLIC COMMENTS.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

SO, MADAM SHERMAN, THE FIRST THING I WANT TO ADDRESS IS THERE WERE A FEW COMMENTS MADE.

I JUST. NUMBER ONE, I KNOW THAT WE NEED ANOTHER ANOTHER MEETING.

THAT'S THE FIRST THING.

WE'VE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS.

I KNOW THAT I'VE ATTENDED.

ALL ALL THREE.

THAT IS TRUE. THERE WAS SCHOOL BUS, ISSUES DISCUSSED WITH WITH THE ACTUAL OWNER AND AND WHAT IS THE STATUS OF THAT? NUMBER TWO, I REMEMBER THAT EVEN WHEN I BOUGHT THIS TO THIS COUNCIL, WE DISCUSSED EXTENDING A TURN LANE FROM EMERSON ON SO THAT THEY COULD STAGE THE VEHICLES.

WE ALSO, BROUGHT UP IN ONE OF THOSE MEETINGS, STAGING THE HOURS OF STAGING THEIR STUDENTS.

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AND I WANT TO JUST CHECK TO SEE IF STAFF HAS UNDERSTOOD THAT THEY HAVE AGREED TO THESE THINGS BECAUSE THE LAST.

AT OUR LAST MEETING, WE EVEN DISCUSSED THEM BUSSING.

TODAY WAS THE FIRST TIME I HEARD THEY WERE BUSSING FROM MINTON ROAD.

BUT I THOUGHT THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING BUSSING THEM FROM FRED LEE.

FRED LEE PARK.

SO THESE ISSUES, ARE A LONG TIME COMING.

IT APPEARS TO ME THAT, THE SCHOOL HASN'T DONE MUCH OF ANYTHING FROM WHAT I'M LISTENING TO THE RESIDENTS, AND IT IS CONCERNING.

AND I KNOW IT'S CONCERNING TO THIS COUNCIL BECAUSE I BOUGHT, AT OUR LAST MEETING.

I BOUGHT SOME, SOME SOLUTIONS FROM THE RESIDENTS AND AND THE ABILITY TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE THROUGH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. SO I KNOW THAT SOME OF THESE THINGS HAVE TAKEN PLACE.

PERHAPS YOU CAN PROVIDE WHAT WE'VE WHAT WE'VE DONE THUS FAR, BUT YET WHAT WE CAN DO MOVING FORWARD.

SURE, CERTAINLY.

THANK YOU. I'LL TRY TO BE AS BRIEF AS I CAN.

I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF HISTORY, SO I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH SEVERAL OF THESE ITEMS BRIEFLY.

SO WE HAVE HELD SEVERAL COMMUNITY MEETINGS, AS EVERYONE IS AWARE.

ONE OF THE REFERENCES WAS TO THE FOURTH MEETING THAT WAS CANCELED.

IT WAS BECAUSE AT THE TIME THERE HAD BEEN NO NEW, DEVELOPMENTS WITH THE SCHOOL, NO CHANGES TO THE PLAN.

SO THERE WASN'T ANYTHING NEW TO PRESENT.

MY MY NOTES REFLECT THAT.

ONE OF THE LAST THINGS THAT OCCURRED, AND THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF THINGS HAVE CHANGED FROM THE OPENING OF THE SCHOOL TO TODAY'S, POINT IN TIME, WAGGING OF THE RELEASE OF THE STUDENTS WAS NOT DONE ORIGINALLY WHEN THE SCHOOL STARTED.

SO THE SCHOOL DID IMPLEMENT THAT, I BELIEVE IT WAS LAST YEAR IN THE SUMMER, OR MAYBE FOR THE I'M SORRY FOR THE NEW SCHOOL YEAR.

THEY THEY IMPLEMENTED THAT SO THAT THE STUDENTS ARE NOW RELEASED ON A DIFFERENT SCHEDULE BASED ON THE GRADES, AND THAT THAT DID PROVIDE SOME RELIEF, ALTHOUGH CLEARLY NOT, YOU KNOW, A SOLUTION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ISSUE.

THERE WAS ALSO A PROPOSAL AT THE TIME AND LET ME BACK UP.

THERE WAS ALSO SOME CHANGE TO THE SPACING AND THE LOOPING WITHIN THE SCHOOL ITSELF TO ADD MORE CAPACITY FOR MORE STUDENTS.

SO THAT HELPS A LITTLE BIT ONCE IT'S OPEN.

BUT TO MR., MR. CROFT'S POINT, WE CAN CERTAINLY REVISIT THE QUESTION WITH THE SCHOOL AS TO WHY THEY ONLY OPEN IT AT A CERTAIN TIME AND COULD THEY DO THAT EARLIER AS THIS AS THE, THE CARS START TO STACK UP ON THE STREET, COULD THAT COULD THAT BE HAPPENING ON THE SCHOOL PROPERTY? I THINK THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION.

I'D CERTAINLY TALK TO, TO THEM ABOUT.

WE ALSO DID AT ONE POINT TRY A DIFFERENT LOOP, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WELL, TO REALLY TRY TO GET THE TRAFFIC OFF OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE WERE LOOKING AT, THE POSSIBILITY OF HOW THAT WOULD IMPACT EMERSON.

AND THE PROBLEM BECAME THAT EMERSON WOULD HAVE TO BE SHUT DOWN DURING THOSE MORNING AND AFTERNOON TIMES.

AND SO THAT WAS NOT A FEASIBLE SOLUTION IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC.

YOU ARE CORRECT. WE DID LOOK AT THE IDEA OF HAVING A LONGER, TURN TURN LANE.

HOWEVER, BECAUSE OF THE VOLUME OF CARS, IT WOULD NOT ELIMINATE THE SITUATION.

WE'D STILL END UP WITH A PROBLEM OF EMERSON BEING, BLOCKED OFF IN THAT PARTICULAR SECTION.

AND THAT IS THE ONLY WAY IN AND OUT OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AS A MAIN THOROUGHFARE.

SO THAT WASN'T A SOLUTION THAT WE CAME TO.

I WOULD HAVE TO CHECK WITH STAFF ON WHAT THE ULTIMATE SOLUTION OR ANSWER WAS FROM THE SCHOOL.

ON THE BUSSING SITUATION, IF THEY HAVE ANYTHING MORE CURRENT.

BUT LAST I RECALL WAS ONE OF THE THE THE ISSUES WAS, FRED LEE WAS NOT A SAFE PLACE TO TAKE THE CHILDREN, SO THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE SOME OTHER LOCATION.

AND THE SCHOOL DID NOT COME UP WITH A SOLUTION FOR THAT.

I KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD A LOT OF, ENGAGEMENT BY OUR POLICE OFFICERS IN THE COMMUNITY, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TRYING TO HELP WITH THE, YOU KNOW, BE GOOD NEIGHBORS KIND OF ISSUES. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO BE THERE ALL THE TIME TO SOLVE ALL THOSE PROBLEMS THAT THE NEIGHBORS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT.

SO, I'LL ACTUALLY I KNOW FRANK WATANABE, OUR CITY ENGINEER.

HE'S DONE A LOT OF WORK OUT THERE, LOOKING AT THE SITUATION, TRYING TO MAKE IT BETTER.

YOU KNOW, WE HAD THAT LITTLE SIDEWALK PROJECT WE DID TO ADD INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THE SAFETY OF THE STUDENTS.

SO I KNOW FRANK AND I TALKED ABOUT HIM COMING UP.

ALSO, I HAVE OUR POLICE CHIEF HERE.

HE CAN TALK ABOUT THE WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE.

AND THEN WE CAN CERTAINLY TALK ABOUT WHAT WE DO NEXT.

YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT I RECALL AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION WAS WHEN THE CHURCH WAS ACTUALLY BEING BUILT AND USED IN THEIR PARKING LOT AS A STAGING AREA AS WELL. WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION WITH THAT, FRANK? I GUESS YOU WOULD KNOW. YES.

A LITTLE HISTORY AGAIN.

JUST, FRANK WATANABE, THE CITY ENGINEER.

THERE HAS BEEN THREE MEETINGS.

THE FIRST MEETING WAS WHEN THE SCHOOL STARTED UP BACK IN SEPTEMBER OF 2022.

WE HAD, A SECOND ONE, AND YOU GET CLOSER TO THE MIKE.

FRANK. SECOND ONE WAS IN JANUARY OF 23.

AND THE THIRD ONE WE HAD WAS IN JUNE OF 23.

AND THEN WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A FOURTH ONE, BUT BECAUSE WE HAD NO CHANGES FROM THE SCHOOL, WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT FOURTH MEETING.

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BUT IN THOSE DIALOGS, THERE WAS DIALOG REGARDING USING THE FUTURE CHURCH AS A POTENTIAL PARK AND RIDE OR POTENTIAL LOOP AREA.

THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS VERBAL DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CHURCH, BUT THEY HAVE NOTHING IN WRITING.

THEY KEEP BRINGING THAT UP. THEY HAVE THAT VERY POSITIVE VERBAL DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CHURCH, BUT NOTHING FORMALIZED BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE CHURCH WAS STILL IN CONSTRUCTION.

AND AS WE KNOW NOW, IT'S GETTING FARTHER AND FARTHER ALONG.

SO I WILL REACH OUT TO PRINCIPAL PARIS AND SEE WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT DISCUSSION.

MAYBE THEY HAVE SOMETHING MORE IN WRITING.

NOW, JUST TO HIGHLIGHT AGAIN ON THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF APPROACHES WE'VE DONE.

NUMBER ONE, I DO WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE ISSUE OF, SAFETY ON THE ROADS.

I'VE BEEN OUT THERE AT LEAST A DOZEN TIMES.

I WAS OUT THERE JUST LAST, JANUARY, JANUARY 16TH, ACTUALLY.

I WAS OUT THERE WITH OUR CORPORAL, PIGEON.

HE ACTUALLY WROTE TWO CITATIONS ON NEPTUNE.

SO THE ISSUE NOT BEING CITED, I KNOW OUR OFFICERS ARE OUT THERE.

THEY'RE VERY, YOU KNOW, CHALLENGED.

THEY'RE VERY LIMITED, BUT THEY'RE OUT THERE WHEN THEY NEED TO BE OUT THERE, BECAUSE THAT WAS OUT THERE.

AND I SAW HIM WRITING TWO TICKETS.

I ACTUALLY COUNTED SEVEN CARS USING NEPTUNE.

WE POSTED A NO RIGHT TURN OFF OF HURST ONTO NEPTUNE, RESTRICTED HOURS FROM SEVEN 715 TO 815, THEN FROM 230 TO 330 AND THEN FROM 345 TO 4, BECAUSE THE SCHOOL NOW HAS FOR THREE DIFFERENT, STAGING AREAS.

SO WE, PER THE DISCUSSION WITH THE RESIDENTS TO KEEP THE TRAFFIC OFF OF NEPTUNE, WE RESTRICTED THAT.

SO THAT WAS ONE THING THAT CAME OUT OF THE MEETING.

THE SCHOOL THEN TRIED TO COMPRESS AND STAGGER THE SCHOOL.

THEY WERE EARLY ON WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THIS PROGRAM, REMEMBER THE TRAFFIC? BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T OPEN IT UP.

THE TRAFFIC WENT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO PINEDA AND ON TO PINEDA, AND ALMOST ALL THE WAY OVER TO HURST.

THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED SINCE THEY'VE OPENED UP THE SCHOOL.

THE TRAFFIC DOES STILL BACK UP BECAUSE PARENTS GET THERE EARLY.

THERE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSIONS TRYING TO KEEP THE PARENTS FROM NOT STOPPING ON, NESBIT.

BUT THEY DO. SO THE QUEUING IS ABOUT TO HUGHES ROAD, WHERE WE STOP THE SIDEWALK SO IT DOESN'T GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO PINEDA WHEN WE FIRST STARTED.

SO THERE IS A LITTLE IMPROVEMENT, BUT THEY STILL DO STAGGER FOR THAT PERIOD EARLY ON WHEN THE PARENTS GET THERE EARLY, THE SCHOOL DOES ALLOW THEM TO STAGGER INTO THEIR CAMPUS.

THEY CAN HOLD ABOUT 80 CARS, AND THEY TRY TO HOLD THEM UNTIL THEY START CLEARING IT.

AND ONCE THE CAR STARTS TO MOVE, IT WORKS VERY FINE, BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE MORNING SESSION, THE MORNING, WE CHANGE THE MORNING LOOP, BECAUSE THE AFTERNOON LOOP WAS THE ORIGINAL PURSE.

NINA NESBITT AND INTO THE SCHOOL WITH THE RIGHT THE MORNING.

NOW THEY DO THEY USE EMERSON.

THEY TRY TO PUSH AS MANY CARS OFF OF EMERSON.

PARENTS STILL LIKE TO TAKE THE LONG LOOP, SO THERE'S A FEW CARS THAT DO THE LONG LOOP.

PARENTS DO WANT TO DO THE THEY SAY THE ILLEGAL NEPTUNE.

THEY DO THAT TOO.

AND WE'VE SEEN CARS, BUT THE MAJORITY OF CARS ARE USING THE EMERSON ROUTE.

SO YOU DON'T HAVE AS MANY CARS DOING THE BIG LOOP AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

HOWEVER, THAT HAS ALSO CAUSED PROBLEMS ON EMERSON TOO, BECAUSE WHEN THE CROSSING GUARD STOPS THE SCHOOL KIDS FROM THE PARKING LOT TO THE SCHOOL THAT BACKS UP THE CARS, BACKS THEM ONTO EMERSON, BACKS UP EMERSON.

I HAVE REAL CONCERNS BECAUSE EMERSON IS A COLLECTOR ROADWAY.

AND WE WERE OUT THERE LAST WEEK, MYSELF AND THE TPO MONITORING LAMAR ELEMENTARY, AND WE SAW THE BACKUP ON BOTH SIDES.

SO I HAVE REAL CONCERNS.

WE HAVE TWO SCHOOLS SO CLOSE TOGETHER.

ANY KIND OF, YOU KNOW, CHANGES, IMPACTS BOTH SCHOOLS.

SO THAT'S MY MY ONLY CONCERN ABOUT USING ANY CHANGES OFF OF EMERSON WILL IMPACT LAMAR ELEMENTARY.

SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE HISTORY WHERE WE ARE.

YEAH. AND ANY OTHER QUESTIONS I CAN ANSWER.

YEAH. SO FRANK, PART OF THE DISCUSSION AT ONE POINT AND I THINK ONE OF THE CITIZENS AND I FORGET HIS NAME, BUT I THOUGHT HE HAD A GREAT SOLUTION ON HOW THEY COULD STAGE THEIR VEHICLES ON THEIR FIELD.

AND SO WHERE, WHERE, WHERE ARE WE WITH THAT? BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT WAS A REALLY GOOD PROPOSAL.

IT WAS. AND WE WERE GOING TO SIT DOWN WITH THE, THE ENGINEER OF RECORD.

HOWEVER, AFTER HE LOOKED AT IT AND HE LOOKED AT THE OVERALL COST TO TRY TO IMPLEMENT, IT'S THE AREA WHERE THEY HAD THEIR FIELDS, KIND OF LIKE THE SOCCER FIELDS AND WHERE THEY HAVE THEIR PARKING AREA.

SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT THE SCHOOL HAD WAS IT WAS CUTTING INTO THEIR PARKING FACILITY AND THEIR PARKING IS VERY LIMITED.

AND THE OTHER ISSUE, IT IS THEIR ONLY FIELD THEY HAVE FOR THEIR SOCCER.

AND SO THEY HAD CONCERNS OF THAT AS WELL.

ARE THEY USING THAT AS A FIELD CURRENTLY? THEY SAID THEY USE IT. BUT YOU KNOW I THINK THE OVERALL WAS THE COST, THE COST TO THEM TO, YOU KNOW, SOMEHOW PUT A HARD SURFACE ON IT.

AND THEN TO CREATE THAT KIND OF LIKE A, LIKE A, LIKE AN AIRPORT PARKING LOT, STACKING OF CARS BACK THERE.

IT WOULD BE CHALLENGING.

CAN IT, CAN IT WORK? YES, IT COULD, BUT IT'LL TAKE MORE MANPOWER.

IT'LL TAKE A COST TO BUILD THAT MATERIAL, TO BUILD THE THE THE THE PAVED SERVICE.

THE I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT NOT HAVING A MID-BLOCK CROSSING WHERE YOU HAVE TO COME ACROSS, NESTED TO GET INTO THE SCHOOL'S PARKING LOT.

SO NOW YOU HAVE A, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE NESTED PEOPLE SAYING THERE'S TRAFFIC ON IT.

NOW YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A CUT THROUGH RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.

I HAVE REAL CONCERNS WITH THAT.

AND NOT HAVING, YOU KNOW, AN OFFICER OR SOMEONE THERE TO PROVIDE THAT MID-BLOCK CROSSING, BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN INTERSECTION.

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PEOPLE TEND TO STOP AT INTERSECTIONS.

PEOPLE DO NOT STOP AT MID-BLOCK.

SO YOU HAVE AN ACCESS POINT.

THOSE ARE VERY CHALLENGING.

THAT'S WHY I DON'T PROMOTE MID-BLOCK CROSSWALKS FOR PEDESTRIANS BECAUSE YOU DON'T SEE THEM.

SO YOU ALWAYS WANT A FULL INTERSECTION.

SO THAT WAS. MY ONLY CONCERN.

I BELIEVE JAKE'S ISSUE WAS COST.

HE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A LOT CHEAPER AND COULD BE FEASIBLE.

I DON'T THINK IT WORKED OUT FROM A COST STANDPOINT.

SO AS OUR CITY ENGINEER.

HOW DO YOU RESOLVE THIS? HOW CAN WE RESOLVE THIS? HOW WHAT OPTIONS DO YOU THINK? I KIND OF LIKED THE EXTENSION ON ON EMERSON.

I DON'T KNOW HOW DEEP IT WOULD HAVE TO BE 1000FT TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

WE TRIED IT THAT ONE MORNING, AND WITHIN 15 MINUTES I HAD TO CLOSE NESBITT BECAUSE IT WAS BACKING UP SO BAD AND WE WERE PREPARED FOR IT.

WE HAD OFFICERS OUT THERE AND WE HAD OUR TRAFFIC OPERATIONS STAFF.

WE HAD TO SHUT THE ROAD DOWN REAL FAST AND WE HAD TO USE OUR STAFF.

OKAY, ABOUT AT LEAST A FEW OFFICERS AND MOST OF OUR OPERATIONS STAFF TO FUNNEL TRAFFIC BACK ONTO THE BIG LOOP.

I WON'T RECOMMEND THAT AGAIN BECAUSE WE WEREN'T THERE AND INTO WHAT HAD HAPPENED.

SO THIS IS A POINT, AND I THINK THE LEVEL OF FRUSTRATION IS, IS IS REAL AND AND I WANT TO I WANT TO VALIDATE THAT.

RIGHT? I ALSO WANT TO VALIDATE THE FACT THAT WE CAN LOSE A LIFE OUT THERE.

AND AND MY CONCERN IS THAT CHILD, THE CONCERN IS THE FAMILY.

SO IN IN SAYING ALL OF THAT, WHAT OPTIONS DO WE HAVE.

COULD IT BE MORE OF A LEGAL QUESTION TO, MADAM ATTORNEY BASED ON, BECAUSE SOMEONE MENTIONED HONESTY CHARTER AND I THINK THE DIFFERENCE ONE OF THE SPEAKERS MENTIONED ODYSSEY CHARTER.

I THINK THE DIFFERENCE WITH ODYSSEY CHARTER IS THEY HAVE SCHOOL BUSSES, THEY BUSSING, AND SO THEY BUS THE CHILDREN IN FROM THROUGHOUT.

AND IT JUST ALLEVIATES THE TRAFFIC OF, OF THAT COMMUNITY.

YOU HIT IT ON THE HEAD. MOST OF OUR CHARTER SCHOOLS, IF YOU LOOK AT OUR OTHER CHARTER SCHOOLS, LIKE THE ONE OFF OF, WYOMING, AS A CHARTER SCHOOL, THEY HAVE NUMEROUS BUSSES, THE ONES OFF OF ALL OUR CHARTER SCHOOLS HAVE BUSSING.

AND THIS ONE THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE SMALL SHUTTLE BUSSES, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THE STANDARD 40 FOOT, YOU KNOW, ORANGE OR YELLOW SCHOOL BUSSES.

YOU KNOW, AND THOSE SCHOOL BUSSES HOLD A GOOD NUMBER OF STUDENTS.

I THINK AT ONE TIME WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BUSSING.

I THINK WE NEED TO GO BACK TO THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SCHOOL NEEDS TO PROMOTE BUSSING.

BECAUSE AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS THIS PROBLEM IS GOING TO CONTINUE.

IT'S BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THE SPACE AND ROOM TO BE, YOU KNOW, QUEUING THESE CARS.

AND. RIGHT. I THINK BUSSING IS GOING TO BE THE ONLY SOLUTION.

I GET THAT. ALL RIGHT. WELL, I APPRECIATE YOUR CANDOR.

SO I GUESS THE NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE TO MADAM ATTORNEY.

THERE WAS A SCHOOL STUDY DONE OR A TRAFFIC STUDY DONE, AND IT APPEARS TO BE INACCURATE.

AND BASED ON THAT, MADAM ATTORNEY, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE COULD, REQUEST OR SAY TO, PINEAPPLE COVE CLASSICAL ACADEMY ABOUT.

HEY, YOU SHOULD YOU SHOULD CONSIDER BUSSING BASED ON THE SAFETY OF THE COMMUNITY.

WE CERTAINLY CAN ALWAYS RECOMMEND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.

IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I LOOKED AT THE TRAFFIC SITE.

I KNOW THAT ONE OF THE ISSUES, WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT IT AND WORKING WITH THE CITY ENGINEER WAS THE STAGGERING, WHICH IS BEEN DONE. I CERTAINLY WILL REACH BACK OUT TO THEM.

TALK ALSO WITH THE CITY ENGINEER.

I DON'T KNOW THAT, AND I CAN'T RECALL IF THAT WAS PART OF HOW THEY DID THE CALCULATIONS OR NOT.

I KNEW I DO RECALL THAT THE STAGGERING WAS BUT.

WE CERTAINLY CAN ALWAYS REACH OUT TO THEM.

AND AT ONE POINT IN TIME THEY WERE QUITE RECEPTIVE.

THEY WERE AT LEAST RECEPTIVE WHEN I REACHED OUT TO THEM.

YES, MA'AM. AND THAT I DO RECALL THAT AS WELL.

LISTEN, IDEALLY, WE COULD RESOLVE THIS HERE THIS EVENING.

BUT I THINK I HEAR YOU LOVE THE LEVEL OF FRUSTRATION, AND I SHARE IN THAT FRUSTRATION BECAUSE I'VE BEEN AT EACH AND EVERY MEETING AND WE HAVE MADE SOME, SOME RECOMMENDATIONS.

WE'VE HAD SOME SIDEWALKS AND CROSSWALKS I KNOW HAS SOLVED THE ISSUE.

NO. BUT CERTAINLY I WANT TO CONTINUE DOWN THAT PATH, TO SEE HOW WE COULD RESOLVE THIS.

IT APPEARS TO ME BUSSING IS THE SOLUTION.

I, I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

MR. WATANABE, I THINK THAT'S THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE.

AND WE WE DISCUSSED BUSSING AT ONE OF OUR MEETINGS.

HOWEVER, THE LOCATION, THE DROP OFF LOCATIONS.

BUT IF THEY DO HAVE BUSSING, AND LET'S SAY THEY DO HAVE THE BIG BUSSES, THEY COULD LITERALLY BUS IN THE CHILDREN FROM THROUGHOUT

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AND IT WOULD ELIMINATE THAT TRAFFIC.

I GUESS THAT'S I LIKE TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON THAT.

SORRY. I DIDN'T MEAN TO CALL YOU BACK UP.

THAT'S ALL RIGHT. REGARDING THE BUSSING AGAIN, I LOOKED INTO THE BUSSING IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

YOU KNOW, THEY'RE UNDER THAT OTHER SCHOOL CRITERIAS, AND, SCHOOL BUSSING AND SCHOOL PERMITTING LOOPS HAVE TO BE SEPARATED.

HOWEVER, WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH CHARTERS AND PRIVATE SCHOOLS IS DIFFERENT.

SO THEY CAN WHAT, YOU STILL WANT TO KEEP THEM SEPARATE, BUT YOU CAN USE THE SAME FACILITY.

SO YOU COULD HAVE THE BUSSES COME IN MAYBE FIRST, OR THE BUSSES COME IN AFTERWARDS, AND THEN THE PARENTS COME IN AND USE THE LOOP FACILITIES AFTER YOU MAKE SURE ALL THE BUSSES HAVE LEFT. BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO KEEP BIG BUSSES AND PARENTS.

YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? BECAUSE THERE'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE.

SO AS LONG AS YOU DO SOME SORT OF A STAGGERING OF WHEN YOU HAVE THE SCHOOL BUSSES THERE, AND THEN WHEN YOU HAVE THE PARENTS THERE, YOU CAN MAKE IT WORK.

I BELIEVE THE ISSUE FROM THE, FROM THE I THINK THE CHARTER SCHOOL IS MORE IN TERMS OF LOGISTICS, BECAUSE I THINK HIS ISSUE IS BECAUSE I KNOW HE'S GOT OTHER BUSSES, YOU KNOW, HE'S GOT TO MAKE SURE HE'S GOT THE FUNDING FOR THE BUSSES AND THE BUS DRIVERS AND THEN AND THEN IT'S CHANGING HIS FULL PROGRAM BECAUSE RIGHT NOW ALL THE PARENTS ARE GOING THERE.

AND THEN YOU HAVE TO NOW EDUCATE THEM TO USE THE BUSSES.

BUT I THINK THAT'S STILL DOABLE BECAUSE ALL THE OTHER SCHOOLS THEY PROVIDE BUSSING, AND I THINK THIS CAMPUS CAN'T HANDLE THE BUSSES.

IT COULD. IT'S GOT A LARGE ENOUGH FACILITY TO HOLD THE BUSSES.

I MEAN, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT, LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE, LIKE ODYSSEY OR SOME OF THE OTHER ONES THAT HAVE LIKE A DOZEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE LIKE 4 OR 3 BUSSES COULD HOLD A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF STUDENTS.

THEN YOU HAVE LIKE ON AN AVERAGE ABOUT 250 TO 270 CARS IN THE MORNING AND AFTERNOON.

IN YOUR OPINION, YOU THINK FOUR BUSSES WOULD SUFFICE, TO BRING THESE CHILDREN SAFELY TO SCHOOL? I THINK AS LONG AS YOU CUT IT IN HALF WHERE YOU AT LEAST HAVE ABOUT 100 TO 150 OF THE PARENTS STILL SHOWING UP, AND THEY COULD FIT CLOSE TO LIKE, SAY, 80 WITHIN THEIR OWN CAMPUS. AND AS IT STARTS TO MOVE FORWARD, YOU'LL HAVE MAYBE A FEW ON THE STREETS, BUT NOT AS MUCH AS WE'VE BEEN SEEING LATELY.

SO MAJORITY CAN BE HANDLED ON CAMPUS AND THEN THE REST WILL HAVE TO BE THROUGH BUSSING.

OKAY. MADAM SHERMAN AND MADAM ATTORNEY.

WELL, I'M GOING TO ASK MY COUNCIL TO WEIGH IN ON THIS, BUT MY MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT WE REACH OUT AND AND REQUEST A RESOLUTION REGARDING THE BUSSING HAVING CHILDREN BUS IN BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATION FROM OUR CITY ENGINEER THAT THAT WOULD CUT HALF OF THE THE ISSUE AND THAT MIGHT AT LEAST START TO RESOLVE SOME OF THE ISSUE.

BUT I'M GOING TO START WITH COUNCILMAN FOSTER TO WEIGH IN AND THEN FOLLOWED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON AND THEN DEPUTY MAYOR COUNCILMAN FOSTER.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. IT SEEMS LIKE.

PINEAPPLE COLE IS NOT DOING WHAT OTHER CHARTER SCHOOLS ARE DOING.

AND IT SEEMS LIKE WE NEED TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT.

BUT BUSSING MAY BE THE SOLUTION.

FROM WHAT I'M HEARING, BECAUSE WE GOT TO RELIEVE THE TRAFFIC AND AND MY CONCERN IS SOMEBODY GETTING.

A MY CONCERN IS RUINING THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SOME SOME KID GETTING INJURED OR SOME, AUTO ACCIDENT.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE OR HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT OR IN COMMUNITY POLICING IN THAT AREA TO, TRY TO SOLVE THIS, WITH THE RESIDENTS NEIGHBORHOOD BEING TRAMPLED OVER.

BUT IT SEEMED LIKE THE BUSSING MIGHT, ALLEVIATE THE TRAFFIC PROBLEM THAT THEY HAVE IN IN THE NOISE AND THE AND THE WHAT, WHAT THE RESIDENTS EXPERIENCE.

SO. AND ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW.

WHAT? LEGAL.

CAN THE CITY TAKE? DO WE HAVE ANY LEGAL, POWERS TO DO ANYTHING, MADAM ATTORNEY? THAT'S SOMETHING I'LL SAY.

I GAVE OPINIONS BEFORE.

I NEED TO REEXAMINE THOSE OPINIONS BASED UPON FURTHER TALKING WITH THE CITY ENGINEER AS FAR AS WHAT THEY HAVE NOW DONE, BECAUSE THIS WAS CLEAR, ONE OF THE STAGGERING, WHICH IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I MENTIONED TO THEM BEFORE, WAS SOMETHING THAT THEY HAD AGREED TO AND THEY WEREN'T DOING, BUT TO FIND OTHER ISSUES, ISSUES WITH THIS STUDY WHICH HONESTLY HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IN A WHILE TO SEE WHAT IT IS THAT THEY WERE PERMITTED TO DO AND WHAT THEY MAY OR MAY NOT BE STILL IN COMPLIANCE.

THAT IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING I WILL EXAMINE FURTHER AFTER THIS MEETING.

I WILL WORK WITH MANAGEMENT AND THE CITY ENGINEER, BUT RIGHT NOW I CAN'T TELL YOU.

THANK YOU MA'AM.

I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT, WE NEED TO, BE A LITTLE BIT MORE STERN DEALING WITH PINEAPPLE COKE.

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SAFETY IS OUR IS WHAT WE.

IT'S ONE OF OUR MAIN FUNCTION AS A COUNCIL THE SAFETY OF OUR CITIZENS.

AND WE JUST NEED TO BE A LITTLE MORE STERN.

IF IT TAKES LEGAL MATTER, THEN I'M WILLING TO GO THERE.

COUNCILMAN FOSTER. COUNCILMAN.

JOHNSON. I'M ON THE SAME BOAT AS YOUR GENTLEMAN MAYOR.

AND I WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO HEAR, MADAM SMITH'S OPINION, BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE, ISSUE JURISDICTION.

YOU KNOW, WE ONLY HAVE SO MUCH THAT WE CAN DO.

BUT I'M INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT SHE SAYS.

AND WITH THAT, I'M WILLING TO GO THAT ROUTE, TOO, SIR.

THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR.

MAYOR. THANK YOU.

I THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN, I'VE SAID ENOUGH.

THIS HAS BEEN AN ISSUE FOR THE LAST, WHAT, TWO, 2 OR 3 YEARS? AND IT REMAINS AN ISSUE I KNOW I WAS PART OF, THE THE COUPLE AT LEAST TWO OF THE THREE MEETINGS WE HAD.

AND, I WOULD HATE TO SAY THAT, BUT IT'S ALMOST LIKE THERE ISN'T A MUCH OF A WILLINGNESS FROM, FROM THE, FROM THE SCHOOL TO DO MUCH. SO THAT THAT'S THE SENSE I'VE GOTTEN FROM THE TWO MEETING I WAS AT, PART OF.

SO, YEAH, I WOULD DEFINITELY IN SUPPORT OF WHATEVER WE CAN DO, LEGALLY POSSIBLE CAN DO OR WHATEVER WE CAN DO IN TERMS OF ENGAGING IN MORE CONVERSATION.

BUT THIS TIME IT'S REALLY FOR THEM TO SHOW THE DELIVERABLES.

SO NOT JUST WORD BUT ACTUALLY DELIVER ON THEIR WORDS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR.

MADAM SHERMAN AND MADAM ATTORNEY, I GUESS WE WE'VE GOT WE MADE IT CLEAR, CAN WE WORK THOSE DETAILS OUT LEGALLY? AGAIN, I WANT TO THANK THE COMMUNITY FOR BRINGING THAT AND ENGAGING WITH US.

AND, I WANT TO EVEN GO A STEP FURTHER.

MR. WATANABE, IF WE COULD SOMEHOW, ONCE THAT ENGAGEMENT BEGINS WITH OUR MANAGEMENT, I KNOW YOU'LL BE PART OF THAT DISCUSSION.

WANT US TO GET A REPORT AND STAY IN TOUCH WITH THE RESIDENTS ON THE PROGRESS OF OUR OUR REPORT? WITH OUR PROGRESS.

OKAY. WE'LL DO ALL RIGHT.

OKAY. WAS THAT DOES THAT CONCLUDE ALL THE PUBLIC COMMENTS? OKAY, SO WE'RE NOW ON, NEGATIVE, SIR.

YOU ALREADY SPOKE ON THIS.

THAT'S IT. OH NO MORE.

SO WE'RE DONE WITH THE REGULAR PUBLIC COMMENTS, BUT FOR THE ITEMS THAT ARE COMING UP, WE'LL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR EVERYONE TO SPEAK, SIR.

AND THERE'LL BE ANOTHER PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE END OF THE MEETING.

OKAY. THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENTS.

YES, SIR. OKAY.

SO I'M ON TO CONSENT NOW, DEPUTY MAYOR.

[APPROVAL OF CONSENT AGENDA]

YES, MAYOR. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.

WITH THE REMOVAL OF THREE AND SEVEN, THREE AND SEVEN.

SECOND, I GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR JOHNSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN OR DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. ANY DISCUSSION? ANYONE ELSE WISH TO PULL AN ITEM? ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

WE ARE NOW ON PUBLIC HEARINGS, MADAM SMITH.

[PUBLIC HEARINGS]

YES, SIR. THIS IS AN ITEM THAT WAS BEFORE COUNCIL.

ACTUALLY TWICE.

IT, IT, THE ORDINANCE WAS APPROVED, WENT FOR SECOND HEARING, AND THE VOTE WAS TWO ONE.

AND AT THAT HEARING, IT WAS UNCERTAIN.

AS FAR AS WHETHER THAT WAS SIGNIFICANT, IN FACT, THAT THAT MEETING, I DID OPINE THAT I BELIEVE THAT THE MAJORITY OF COUNSEL WOULD BE THREE AND THAT WOULD WOULD BE WHAT WAS NECESSARY FOR THAT TO PASS.

AND THAT'S HOW WE ENDED THAT MEETING.

WE TALKED ABOUT BRINGING THIS BACK AT ANOTHER MEETING, BUT IT WAS A QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING AT THE END OF IT.

THE RESOLUTION WAS THAT WE DID NOT BELIEVE THAT IT HAD PASSED.

SUBSEQUENT TO THAT NEXT DAY, I DID RESEARCH.

IT SENT COUNCIL A MEMO, WHICH I ALSO INFORMED MANAGEMENT AND LEGISLATIVE THAT I WAS WRONG.

I, YOU KNOW, THE REGULAR, PROCEDURES AS FAR AS JUST A REGULAR VOTE, NOT AS FAR AS BUDGET, YOU KNOW, BREAKING THE CAP, A MAJORITY THE APPROVAL IS THE AFFIRMATIVE VOTE OF THE MAJORITY OF THE QUORUM PRESENT.

SO THE TWO ONE WAS SUFFICIENT TO APPROVE.

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BUT WITH A QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING.

IT IS IMPORTANT FOR THE RECORD, BECAUSE IF ANYONE CHALLENGES IN QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING, THE COURTS ONLY REVIEW THE RECORD.

SO IT'S NOT ENOUGH FOR ME TO SAY I WAS WRONG.

MAYOR SIGNED THIS BECAUSE MY RECORD SHOWS THAT COUNCIL AT THE END DID NOT SAY THIS WENT FORTH.

AND BEYOND QUASI JUDICIAL, YOU ALL HAVE TO HAVE THE HEARING IN PUBLIC, IT HAS TO BE NOTICED AND THE WHOLE DELIBERATIVE PROCESS HAS TO BE IN PUBLIC.

SO THAT'S WHY IT WAS NOTICED AND BROUGHT BACK, SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A CLEAR RECORD OF WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE.

THERE IS A MEMO HERE THAT SAYS WHAT HAPPENS.

THERE'S STILL MY STATEMENTS.

AND SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY HAVE THE MAYOR, DECLARE THAT THE TWO ONE VOTE, THAT THE ORDINANCE IS APPROVED AND THAT THE RECORD IS CLEAR.

OKAY, SO DO WE.

WE VOTE ON THIS AGAIN.

DO YOU HAVE TO KNOW THE VOTE? LAST TIME WAS SUFFICIENT.

ALL WE'RE JUST DECLARING IS THAT VOTE.

THAT TWO ONE VOTE WAS THE APPROVAL OF THE ORDINANCE.

WELL, WE HAVE ANOTHER COUNCIL MEMBER HERE, BUT, AND PART OF THAT DISCUSSION AND I'LL SHARE WITH YOU WHY I VOTED NO, AND I'M NOT SURE I MENTIONED ALL OF THIS, AND I KNOW YOU WERE YOU JOINED US REMOTELY.

COUNCILMAN FOSTER.

BUT THIS, THIS, THIS INCREASES THE DENSITY.

THEY REALLY DIDN'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO US.

THIS INCREASED THE DENSITY BY.

ACCORDING TO THEM, THEY WANTED TO ADD THREE HOMES, BUT ONCE THIS WAS APPROVED, THEY COULD LITERALLY ADD UP TO TEN MORE HOMES. WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY CAN ADD AND BUILD ON THAT INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO THAT HAS BEEN MY MY AREA OF CONCERN IS IT'S THEY'RE SAYING THREE HOMES.

SO PERHAPS SINCE THOSE THAT SINCE THOSE THAT VOTED YES, YOU CAN HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE TO JUST THOSE THREE HOMES. IS THAT POSSIBLE, MADAM? ATTORNEY MAYOR, WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED ORDINANCE 2301.

WHAT? OH SEVEN? IF THERE WERE ANY CONDITIONS THAT WERE APPROVED, THEN IS WHATEVER THOSE CONDITIONS, THERE WERE NO CONDITIONS APPROVED.

THERE ARE NO CONDITIONS APPROVED.

THERE IS NOTHING ELSE THAT WE'RE ADDING.

IT WAS APPROVED.

THEN WE'RE ESSENTIALLY MAKING SURE THAT THE RECORD IS CLEAR.

IT THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THE IT WAS APPROVED AND MAKE SURE THAT THE THAT EVERYONE KNOWS THAT WHAT AUTHORITY UPON WHICH YOU HAVE TO SIGN OFF ON THE ORDINANCE THERE RIGHT NOW.

THERE IS ACTUALLY NOTHING ELSE.

WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED IT.

IT WAS JUST RECOGNIZING THAT IT WAS APPROVED AND PROVIDING THE PUBLIC DISCOURSE.

YEAH, BUT HE SOLD US ON JUST THREE ADDITIONAL HOMES IS WHERE I'M COMING FROM.

HE THIS COUNCIL VOTED YAY BASED ON JUST THREE ADDITIONAL HOMES.

AND THAT'S WHERE MY CONCERN IS.

MAYOR IS NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER VOTE THAT YOU ALL HAVE.

ONCE YOU APPROVE IT, YOU ALL CAN'T COME BACK AND THEN RESCIND YOUR APPROVAL.

OKAY, WELL, THEY THEY VOTED.

YAY I VOTED NO, BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY ANY ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD? NO. SO, MADAM SMITH, WE JUST NEED A, MAKE A MOTION ON WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US, MAKE NO MOTION OR JUST JUST ACKNOWLEDGE IT'S ACKNOWLEDGED.

THE MAYOR WILL RECEIVE THIS ORDINANCE WITH WHATEVER OTHER ORDINANCES THAT ARE PASSED.

IT WILL BE SIGNED, AND THE APPLICANT WILL MOVE FORWARD.

ALL RIGHT. THAT'S GOOD.

OKAY. WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER TWO.

HOLD THEM TO THREE HOUSES.

GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD.

ORDINANCE 2020 4-02, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, TITLE THREE ADMINISTRATION.

CHAPTER 33 FIRE DEPARTMENT.

SUBCHAPTER FIRE PREVENTION.

GENERAL PROVISIONS BY INCLUDING PROVISIONS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION REQUIREMENTS, PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT.

HEREWITH PROVIDING FOR INCLUSION IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

CODE OF ORDINANCES PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE.

PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU MA'AM. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK MISS SHERMAN.

THANK YOU MAYOR. THIS IS THE FINAL HEARING FOR, TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF CHANGES WE'RE MAKING TO THE FIRE.

ORDINANCE SPECIFIC TO BEING ABLE TO ENFORCE THE FIRE INSPECTION FEES NOT BEING PAID, AND ALSO SOME NEW CONSTRUCTION REQUIREMENTS FOR CERTAIN TYPES OF PROPERTY. AND WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

YEAH. REGARDING THE SPRINKLERS OF THE HOMES THAT BASED ON THAT PRESENTATION.

YES, SIR. GENTLEMEN, KEEP THAT IN MIND.

THIS ITEM, BECAUSE I'LL BE BRINGING SOMETHING SIMILAR REGARDING THIS.

SO. ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL. I NEED A MOTION.

SO MOVED. ARE THERE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? ANYONE WISH ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM?

[02:05:01]

SEEING NONE. I NEED A MOTION.

SO MOVED. SECOND.

GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN FOSTER COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

ANYTHING TO ADD, COUNCILMAN FOSTER? NO, MAYOR. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER THREE.

MISS SMITH ORTIZ, 2020 4-03, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, VACATING AND ABANDONING A PORTION OF THE REAR 20 FOOT PUBLIC UTILITY AND DRAINAGE EASEMENT LOCATED WITHIN LOT 15, BLOCK 859, PORT MALABAR.

UNIT 17.

ACCORDING TO THE PLAT THEREOF AS RECORDED IN PLAT BOOK 15, PAGE 108 OF THE PUBLIC RECORDS OF BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED HEREIN.

PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE, I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK THE SANABRIA'S TO PRESENT THEIR CASE.

GOOD EVENING. MAYOR.

COUNCIL MEMBERS AND STAFF.

WE WERE HERE, THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING AND REQUESTING TO VACATE TEN FOOT OF, EASEMENT SO WE COULD PUT OUR SHED IN THE BACK AND, JUST COMING TO SEE A COPY THAT THAT APPROVES.

YES, SIR. ANYTHING ELSE? NOPE. THERE WERE NO OBJECTIONS ON THE FIRST READING.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

MA'AM. ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, I NEED A MOTION.

SO MOVED. SECOND, GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I.

I PASSES FOUR ZERO.

THAT WAS YOUR FINAL CONGRATULATIONS.

THANK YOU GUYS VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. HAVE A GOOD EVENING.

OKAY. WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR, MISS SMITH, ORDINANCE 2020 405, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, TITLE 17, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, CHAPTER 185 ZONING CODE, SUBCHAPTER DISTRICT REGULATIONS BY INCLUDING PROVISIONS FOR FITNESS CENTERS AND OTHER INDOOR OUTDOOR HEALTH FACILITIES AND ACTIVITIES WITHIN A CERTAIN ZONING DISTRICTS.

PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES AND CONFLICT.

HEREWITH PROVIDING FOR INCLUSION IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

CODE OF ORDINANCES PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE.

PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MISS SHERMAN.

THANK YOU MAYOR. THIS IS ALSO FINAL READING.

THIS IS TO ADD THE ABILITY TO HAVE CERTAIN TYPES OF FITNESS CENTERS AND INDOOR RECREATIONAL TYPE FACILITIES IN MORE OF OUR COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.

WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

ANY QUESTIONS, COUNCIL? NO QUESTIONS. ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE. I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASKING FOR A MOTION.

SO MOVED. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

NOTHING TO ANSWER.

DEPUTY MAYOR. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

WE ARE NOW BACK TO CONSENT.

[CONSIDERATION OF ITEMS REMOVED FROM CONSENT AGENDA]

ITEM NUMBER THREE, DEPUTY MAYOR.

MR. BATTEN. THAT'S GOING TO BE OKAY.

BILL BATTEN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

THE FIRST QUESTION IS, WHY DID WE HAVE TO SEND THIS? BID BACK.

WHY DO WE HAVE TO GO OUT FOR ANOTHER BID AFTER WE'VE ALREADY DONE IT ONCE? WHY DID WE HAVE TO BRING IT BACK? BECAUSE THAT'S FOR $1.6 MILLION.

THAT'S A PRETTY BIG BID.

I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT.

COULD IT BE BECAUSE OF HOUSE BILL 1379 THAT THEY HAD OTHER THINGS THAT HAD TO BE LOOKED AT? THAT'S WHAT MY QUESTION IS ON CONSENT NUMBER THREE.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIRMAN.

I THANK YOU, SIR. I WILL DEFER TO GEORGE BARBER, OUR CHIEF PROCUREMENT OFFICER.

HOW YOU DOING, MR. BOB? EVENING, EVERYBODY.

SO ORIGINALLY WE SOLICITED THIS, WE DID IT.

NORMAL PROCEDURE, AND WE DIDN'T GET ANY BIDS, SO WE JUST RE SOLICITED THIS ONE.

AND THAT'S REALLY WHY WE HAD TO DO IT AGAIN.

THANK YOU. WE DID NOT.

THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU. NEED A MOTION.

SO MOVED. SECOND, GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I.

I. PASSES FOUR ZERO.

WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, MISTER BATTEN.

BILL BATTEN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

CONSIDERATION OF PORTABLE PUMPS.

RENTING AND PURCHASING.

ALL RIGHT. NUMBER ONE, THIS IS AN ONGOING PROBLEM WITH LIFT STATIONS, WHICH IS YOUR YOUR SEWER SYSTEMS IN BAYSIDE LAKES FOR UNIT NUMBER 82, 8384 AND 85.

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THAT'S SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF FAILURES.

YET WE ARE EXPANDING THE DEMAND WITH POPULATION.

WE'RE ALREADY FAILING TO MEET THE CRITERIA NECESSARY TO OPERATE WITHIN OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT WE'RE INCREASING POPULATION IN THAT AREA.

ITEM NUMBER TWO, I THOUGHT THE CITY REQUIRED THE DEVELOPERS TO BUILD FOR GROWTH SIZE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.

REMEMBER, BAYSIDE LAKE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE CROWN JEWEL OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, YET OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IN THAT AREA IS ALREADY FAILING TO MEET THE DEMAND.

SOMETHING TO CONSIDER EVERY TIME WE EXPAND.

WE HAVEN'T MET THE CRITERIA NECESSARY FOR OUR INFRASTRUCTURE YET.

INDIVIDUALS, 70% OF THE POPULATION ARE LOOKING AT A THIRD 15 TO $30,000 BILL FACING THEM, ALONG WITH THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY OF, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY, $600 MILLION FOR THIS SEWAGE SYSTEM.

THANK YOU. MADAM SHERMAN.

THANK YOU MAYOR. MY BRIEF RESPONSE.

THEN WE CAN BRING UP THE UTILITIES DIRECTOR IF YOU NEED MORE INFORMATION.

THESE ISSUES WILL BE RESOLVED ONCE THE NEW WASTEWATER PLANT IS ONLINE THAT IS BEING CONSTRUCTED IN BAYSIDE LAKES.

BECAUSE OF THE DELAYS ON THAT PROJECT, WE'RE HAVING TO TAKE THESE EXTRA STEPS WITH THESE LIFT STATIONS.

BUT AGAIN, ONCE THAT'S ONLINE, THAT WILL BE RESOLVED.

THANK YOU. MA'AM.

I NEED A MOTION.

SO MOVED. SECOND.

GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN FOSTER.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

WE ARE BACK ON TO NEW BUSINESS.

ITEM NUMBER ONE, MADAM LEFLER.

[NEW BUSINESS]

THANK YOU. MAYOR.

THIS ITEM WAS PRESENTED FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION AT THE JANUARY 4TH COUNCIL MEETING, AND COUNCILMAN JOHNSON WAS APPROVED TO ATTEND.

COUNCILMAN. FOSTER WAS UNABLE TO ATTEND THAT MEETING AND HAS SINCE EXPRESSED INTEREST IN ATTENDING THIS CLASS.

COUNCIL CONSENSUS IS REQUESTED FOR COUNCILMAN FOSTER'S ATTENDANCE.

YEAH. IS THERE ANY WAY I COULD ADD MYSELF TO THAT LIST? IF I CAN MAKE IT? SURE. I'LL GET WITH KATHY IN THE MORNING, AND, WE'LL LET YOU KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING, IF THERE'S ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT.

BUT I DON'T SEE WHERE IT WOULD BE AN ISSUE.

OKAY. I JUST WANTED JUST FOR THE RECORD, I MAY ATTEND IF IF MY MY SCHEDULE FREES UP ON FEBRUARY 9TH, I'LL JOIN MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS.

THAT'S GREAT. ALRIGHT, MA'AM.

WE'RE GOOD. THANK YOU.

YES. OH, IS THAT GOOD? EVERYONE'S IN AGREEMENT.

OKAY. YES.

ALL RIGHT, SO WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER TWO.

MADAM. SIR. OH, OH, AS YOU WERE.

THAT WAS A SPEAKER CARD ON THAT.

OKAY, CARRY ON, MR. BATTEN. MASTER CHIEF.

BILL BATTEN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

TWO ITEMS TO ADDRESS FIRST.

COUNCILMAN FOSTER IS THE INDIVIDUAL.

I'M VERY HAPPY THAT YOUR HEALTH AND WELL-BEING IS ON THE UPRISE.

I UNDERSTAND WHOLEHEARTEDLY, PROBABLY MORE THAN MANY OTHER PEOPLE OF WHAT YOU'RE GOING THROUGH, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

ALL RIGHT, ITEM NUMBER TWO.

HOWEVER, AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE CITY, YOU HAVE NOT BEEN IN THE CHAMBERS SINCE FEBRUARY 16TH OF 2023.

THAT'S JUST 15 DAYS SHY OF ONE YEAR.

YET NOW YOU WANT THE CITY TO PAY FOR YOUR BOONDOGGLE TO ANOTHER CITY.

YOU WERE THE COUNCIL MEMBER WHO RECOMMENDED THE INCREASING IN THE EXPENSE ACCOUNT, WHICH WAS A TAX FREE IDENTITY RIGHT AFTER THE RESIDENTS VOTED NO FOR YOUR PAY INCREASE.

YET YOU WERE NOT EVEN IN THE CHAMBERS YOU RECEIVED THAT PAY.

THIS IS THE TYPE OF DISPLAYED BEHAVIOR THAT MAKES RESIDENTS LOOK DOWN ON ELECTED OFFICIALS.

IT'S THE IT'S THE IMPACT OF THE ACTION THAT IS SEEN, NOT THE INTENT OF THE ACTION THAT WAS INTENDED.

ANY OTHER SPEAKER CARDS ON THIS ITEM, SIR? NO, SIR. OKAY.

WE HAVE CONSENSUS.

THANK YOU. WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER TWO, MADAM SHERMAN.

THANK YOU. MAYOR.

THIS IS A REQUEST TO, BASICALLY WAIVE OUR PROCUREMENT PROCESS FOR THE ACQUISITION OF A 12 PASSENGER VAN FOR THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT.

THERE'S A LOT OF HISTORY IN THE AGENDA MEMO, BUT THE SHORT VERSION OF THE STORY IS THAT WE HAVE TRIED FOR MANY, MANY MONTHS TO ACQUIRE RECREATION VANS THAT HAVE BEEN IN THE BUDGET FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

AND, IT'S VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND THEM IN TODAY'S WORLD OF, OF ECONOMIC CONSTRAINTS, WE WERE ABLE TO LOCATE ONE THAT CAME ONTO A LOT, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO JUST BUY IT OUTRIGHT TO TRY TO MEET THAT NEED.

IT DOESN'T MEET ALL THE NEEDS OF WHAT WE'VE BUDGETED, BUT IT WILL LEASE ACCOMPLISH ONE.

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SO THANK YOU.

ANY SPEAKER CARDS? DEPUTY MAYOR? NO, SIR.

NOT FOR THIS ITEM. OKAY.

I NEED A MOTION. SO MOVED.

SECOND. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, GENTLEMEN? ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE, AYE. PASSES FOUR ZERO.

WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER THREE.

MADAM SHERMAN.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. THIS IS A REQUEST TO ALLOCATE $60,000 IN GENERAL FUND UNDESIGNATED FUND BALANCE TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR THEIR MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES LINE ITEM. BECAUSE OF THE SIGNIFICANT INCIDENTS WE'VE EXPERIENCED THIS YEAR SO FAR, THEIR BUDGET OF ABOUT $20,000 IS ALREADY EXPENDED AT A LITTLE OVER 19,000. AND WE WE WE PRIORITIZE MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT FOR OUR EMPLOYEES WHEN THEY GO THROUGH A TRAUMATIC INCIDENT, NOT JUST FOR OFFICERS, BUT FOR ALL THE SUPPORT PERSONNEL AS WELL.

AND WE'D LIKE TO CONTINUE THOSE INITIATIVES.

SO THAT'S WHAT THIS REQUEST IS ABOUT.

THANK YOU. DEPUTY MAYOR.

ANY, SPEAKER CARDS ON THIS? NO. OKAY, I NEED A MOTION.

I'LL BE SECONDING THIS ONE.

SO MOVED. SECOND.

GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY MAYOR MEDINA.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? KEEP IN MIND, MENTAL HEALTH IS CRITICAL, AND IT'S IT'S ESSENTIAL FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS.

I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, SIR. MAYOR.

CARRY ON. GO AHEAD. SIR.

MAY, I'D LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING.

I'M GLAD THE CHIEF, RECOMMEND, THE MENTAL HEALTH OF HIS OFFICERS.

THE OFFICERS ARE.

THAT'S A VERY TOUGH JOB TO HAVE, MENTAL WISE.

EVERY DAY THEY DEAL WITH THE GOOD, THE BAD AND THE UGLY ON OUR STREETS.

AND IT WEARS ON YOU OVER A MATTER OF TIME.

AND I KNOW THAT BECAUSE I WORE THAT UNIFORM.

I WAS A POLICE OFFICER FOR FIVE YEARS BEFORE I WENT INTO THE FEDERAL MARSHALS.

THERE'S TWO. THERE'S, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU DEAL WITH, ONE OF YOUR OFFICERS BEING SHOT AND INJURED.

I HAD AN OFFICER PASSING AWAY, AND I EXPERIENCED THAT AS AN OFFICER.

SO, I'M VERY HAPPY TO SUPPORT THIS MAYOR.

AND I THANK THE CHIEF FOR BRINGING THAT.

AND, IT'S IT'S A WONDERFUL THING.

I WISH EVERY POLICE DEPARTMENT DOES THIS.

THANK YOU. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY, MAYOR MEDINA.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

WE ARE NOW ON COUNCIL REPORTS.

COUNCILMAN FOSTER, I'LL START WITH YOU.

[COUNCIL REPORTS]

YEAH. THANK YOU. MAYOR. MY HEART GOES OUT TO THE VICTIM OF THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE THAT OCCURRED IN OUR CITY.

AND THE PRIEST AND HIS SISTER AND THE VICTIM THAT PASSED AWAY.

MY MESSAGE IS IF YOU KNOW SOMEONE.

HAVE YOU AWARE OF SOMEONE, A FAMILY MEMBER? WELL, LET ME BACK UP.

THREE WEEKS AGO, MY SECOND COUSIN, WAS KILLED BY HIS SON IN A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.

HIS SON SHOT HIM IN THE CHEST, AND HE DIED.

AND IN HIS HOME.

SON, 19 YEARS OLD.

AN ARGUMENT OVER A DOG, MESSING IN THE BASEMENT OF THEIR HOME IN NEW JERSEY.

WE NEED TO NOT FIGHT IT OUT.

WE NEED TO TALK IT OUT.

A GUN IS NOT THE ANSWER TO YOUR DOMESTIC PROBLEMS. ALL YOUR MENTAL PROBLEMS. SO MY MESSAGE IS, IF YOU KNOW SOMEONE THAT HAS SOME MENTAL ILLNESS, TRY TO GET THEM HELP.

TALK TO HIM.

PRAY FOR HIM.

REACH OUT TO, RESOURCES TO GET THEM HELP AND AND AND IF THE POLICE IS COMING BECAUSE OF DOMESTIC AND THE GUN INVOLVED, LET THE DISPATCHER KNOW THAT THERE MAY BE GUNS INVOLVED OR THE PERSON MIGHT BE ON, DRUGS OR HAVING SOME MENTAL ISSUE OR MENTAL BREAKDOWN.

LET THEM OFFICERS AWARE.

SO THEY COULD BE PREPARED WHEN THEY SHOW UP.

THE SECOND THING I WANT TO SAY, MAYOR.

ABOUT THIS TRAINING THAT YOU ARE APPROVED.

WHEN I WAS IN THE HOSPITAL.

WHEN I WAS ABLE TO THINK AND TALK, I CONTINUED TO DO MY DUTIES AS A COUNCILMAN.

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I CALLED IN FROM MY HOSPITAL BED.

I GOT BRIEFINGS IN THE HOSPITAL ABOUT CITY ISSUES, AND WHEN I WAS UNABLE, AFTER FIVE MONTHS, TO GO HOME.

OUT OF THE HOSPITAL.

I CONTINUED TO WORK FOR THE CITY OF PALM BAY, ALTHOUGH I WASN'T PHYSICAL HERE.

I STILL RECEIVE PHONE CALLS.

I STILL RECEIVE NEWS, PEOPLE CALLING ME ABOUT ISSUES GOING ON, AND I RECEIVED OTHER CALLS FROM CITIZENS THAT HAD MY NUMBER OR THAT EMAILED ME, AND THAT ONE OF THE, THE COMMENT ON SOME OF THE AGENDA ITEMS THAT WAS COMING BEFORE COUNCIL.

SO I NEVER STOPPED WORKING.

I JUST WASN'T PHYSICALLY HERE.

AND I WANTED TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD.

THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN.

JOHNSON, SIR. THANK YOU.

MAYOR, I HAVE A FEW ITEMS. THANK YOU, MISS JULIET.

I APPRECIATE IT ACTING AS THE IT DIRECTOR RIGHT NOW.

I APPRECIATE YOU LOOKING OUT.

SO THE SPACE COAST, LEAGUE OF CITIES.

I'M THE CHAIR OF THE SCHOLARSHIP COMMITTEE, AND WE HAVE THE SPACE COAST LEAGUE OF CITIES AND COMMUNITY PARTNERS SCHOLARSHIP PROGRAM.

WE'RE UP AND RUNNING RIGHT NOW.

APPLICATIONS ARE DUE MARCH 1ST.

ONE OF OUR VERY OWN, PALM BAY.

POLICE OFFICERS APPLIED FOR THIS GRANT, THE SCHOLARSHIP AND WAS AWARDED.

AND HE GOT HIM THROUGH THE, POLICE ACADEMY, AND NOW HE'S SERVING OUR CITY, AND HE'S FROM HERE.

SO I'M EXCITED THAT WE HAVE SOMEBODY FROM PALM BAY.

AND I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN GET MORE APPLICANTS FROM PALM BAY APPLYING, BUT IT'S FOR ALL SIX TEAM MUNICIPALITIES IN THE COUNTY.

BUT ANYBODY CAN APPLY.

YOU CAN WORK FOR A CITY, OR YOU CAN WANT TO WORK FOR A CITY.

APPLICATIONS ARE AVAILABLE FOR EVERYBODY.

I WOULD LIKE FOR OUR STAFF TO JUST DO A CITY WIDE EMAIL.

BECAUSE THERE'S PEOPLE WITHIN OUR, OUR CITY THAT CAN APPLY, SIR, OR WHO MIGHT BE INTERESTED OR PURSUING HIGHER EDUCATION.

SO THAT'S THE FIRST THING, SIR, THAT I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT.

THE SECOND THING IS THE FIRST DAY OF BLACK HISTORY MONTH.

COME ON. SO I GOT TO HIT BLACK HISTORY MONTH, AND I'M GOING TO HIT BREVARD HISTORY WITH IT AS WELL.

HARRY T MOORE.

I CAN'T THINK OF SOMEBODY ELSE TO HIGHLIGHT.

YOU KNOW, THE THE JUSTICE CENTER'S NAMED AFTER HIM.

AND HE'S THE.

YEAH. AND THE MUSEUM AS WELL.

AND HE'S THE FIRST CIVIL RIGHTS MARTYR.

THE FIRST CIVIL RIGHTS MARTYR BEFORE MARTIN LUTHER KING, BEFORE MALCOLM X, BEFORE ANY OF THEM.

HE AND HIS WIFE WERE THE FIRST ONES TO DIE FOR THE CAUSE ON CHRISTMAS NIGHT.

SO HE HE STARTED OFF WITH IN COCOA, FLORIDA, WORKING AS A SCHOOL TEACHER AND THEN WORKED UP IN TITUSVILLE, NOT TITUSVILLE HIGH, BUT HE WORKED UP IN TITUSVILLE AS A SCHOOL TEACHER, BUT WAS FIRED BECAUSE OF HOW MANY AFRICAN AMERICANS HE HAD REGISTERED TO VOTE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

HE HAD REGISTERED OVER 100,000 AFRICAN AMERICANS TO VOTE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, BACK WHEN IT WASN'T POPULAR, 116,000, ACTUALLY.

SO OTHER THAN THAT, YOU KNOW, HIM AND HIS WIFE WERE CELEBRATING THEIR ANNIVERSARY ON CHRISTMAS NIGHT WHEN THE KU KLUX KLAN PLANTED A BOMB UNDER THEIR HOME, WHICH KILLED THEM. THE WIFE.

THE WIFE DIED A FEW DAYS AFTER, BUT THE HUSBAND DIED IMMEDIATELY.

AND THEY RECREATED THAT HOME UP IN TITUSVILLE, FLORIDA.

SO YOU CAN SEE AND LEARN THE HISTORY OF WHAT THEY'VE DONE.

I JUST GAVE A QUICK LITTLE SUMMARY OF IT, BUT IT'S SOMETHING I RECOMMEND ANYBODY TO GO TO.

I DIDN'T EVEN LEARN ABOUT IT WHEN I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL OR ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

I LEARNED ABOUT IT WHEN I WENT TO COLLEGE AND I WAS LIKE, BREVARD COUNTY.

I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT IT.

SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE ANYBODY TO LOOK INTO THAT BECAUSE IT'S BLACK HISTORY, BREVARD HISTORY, AMERICAN HISTORY.

SO I'M EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

LAST THING MAYOR I WANTED TO HIT ON IS THAT IN TITUSVILLE OR IN MEMPHIS? MIMS. MIMS. SORRY.

YOU KNOW, EITHER WAY, YOU DRIVE AN HOUR TO GET THERE.

SO EITHER WAY, YOU'RE DRIVING AN HOUR.

WE GOT A LONG COUNTY.

WE HAVE A LONG COUNTY.

THE LAST THING I WANTED TO BRING UP MAYOR BEFORE I PASS IT ON, I WOULD LIKE FOR.

I TALKED TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY AND THEN GET THE CHANCE TO TALK TO STAFF.

Y'ALL WERE IN TALLAHASSEE, BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR OUR STAFF AND OUR CITY ATTORNEY TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY WHEN IT COMES TO FRED POPPY PARK AND THE REFERENDUM.

I'M I'M HEARING AND I'M LOOKING AT IT AND IT LOOKS LIKE THAT WE HAVE WE HAVE SOME SKIN IN THE GAME IN REGARDS TO THE MONEY THAT'S GOING TO THE COUNTY THAT I FEEL THAT SHOULD BE GOING TO THE CITY. SO I WANT US TO LOOK INTO IT.

I WANT US TO GIVE STAFF DIRECTION SO THAT WAY THEY CAN PURSUE IT, BECAUSE A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE GOING ON IN THE, YOU KNOW, OVER AT THAT PARKS CAN BE ALLEVIATED IF WE GOT, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL FUNDS.

HENCE, YOU KNOW, EXPANDING AND OPENING UP THE SECOND, SECOND ENTRY LANE.

SO I JUST WANT TO GIVE I JUST WANT TO SEE IF WE CAN GIVE DIRECTION TO STAFF, IF THEY WANT TO SPEAK ON IT A LITTLE MORE, THEY CAN.

BUT, I TALKED TO THE CITY ATTORNEY BEFORE THE MEETING ABOUT IT, SO.

YEAH. AND, YOU KNOW, RIGHT ALONG THAT SAME VEIN, I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THAT.

I'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH GOING TO GO DOWN TO WHOEVER THE DISTRICT FIVE COMMISSIONER'S GOING TO BE WHO LEADS THAT?

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THAT HAS TO BE A BOARD ISSUE.

BUT I'M, I'M ALL ABOUT, TRYING TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS MADE.

AND DID YOU WANT TO JUST SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SKIN IN THE GAME, WHAT YOU MEANT BY THAT SO THAT THE COMMUNITY UNDERSTANDS THAT? I'LL LEAVE IT AT STAFF.

I'M, I'M NOT SURE WHO WOULD WANT TO SPEAK ON IT BETTER.

I'M STILL LEARNING THE HISTORY OF EVERYTHING, SIR.

SO. SO THERE'S, THE THE CONSTITUENCY IN PALM BAY IS TAXED.

BUT I'LL LET OUR CITY MANAGER GO AHEAD AND RESPOND.

JUST VERY HIGH LEVEL TO DESCRIBE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

SO A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, THE COUNTY INITIATED A PARKS REFERENDUM TO FUND THE DEVELOPMENT OF DIFFERENT PARK SITES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, INCLUDING SOME THAT WERE IN CITIES.

AND THREE OF THOSE SITES THAT WERE DEVELOPED WITHIN THE CITY WERE THE PALM BAY AQUATIC CENTER, FRED POPPY REGIONAL PARK, AND, THE SENIOR CENTER.

AND I MAY BE WRONG ON THAT, BUT ANYWAY, THOSE THREE WERE HAVE BEEN I THINK IT WAS THE COMMUNITY CENTER.

TED WHITLOCK AS PART OF THE, THE FRED POPPY REGIONAL PARK.

YES, CORRECT. SO SO THOSE PROPERTIES WERE OWNED, MAINTAINED BY, BREVARD COUNTY USING THE REFERENDUM DOLLARS FOR MANY YEARS.

SOME YEARS BACK, MAYBE 2015, 2016 TIME FRAME.

THE CITY ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH BREVARD COUNTY TO TAKE OVER COMPLETE RESPONSIBILITY AND OWNERSHIP OF THOSE PROPERTIES.

AND WHEN THEY DID THAT, THE AGREEMENTS, IN THE AGREEMENT, THERE WAS A MULTI YEAR STRATEGY WHERE BREVARD COUNTY WOULD GIVE THE CITY CERTAIN FUNDING FOR A SERIES OF YEARS.

BUT THEN IT ENDED.

AND SO I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT TO REFRESH ON MORE OF THE DETAILS.

BUT ESSENTIALLY THE REFERENDUM THAT ORIGINALLY FUNDED SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS BEING BUILT IS STILL BEING COLLECTED BY BREVARD COUNTY.

I KNOW STAFF HAS LOOKED AT THAT BEFORE, BUT WE'LL CERTAINLY LOOK AT IT AGAIN WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

OKAY, THANKS. THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE THE REPORT.

DEPUTY MAYOR, THANK ONE.

SOMETHING THAT MUST BE SAID IS THAT OUR CITIZENS ARE STILL CONTRIBUTING TODAY.

CURRENT TO THAT, TO THAT.

A FUN. SO, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THANK THANKS. MISS SHERMAN, AS FAR AS MY REPORT, I WON'T BE LONG.

I JUST JUST WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE, YOU KNOW, I WAS I WAS IN DC.

I WAS OUT OF TOWN WHEN I GOT THE PHONE CALL SUNDAY ABOUT OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, GOT THE PHONE CALL FROM MISS SHERMAN.

I KNEW IT WAS IMPORTANT. IT WAS LATE SUNDAY AFTERNOON.

SO PICKED THAT UP TO TO FIND OUT WHAT WENT ON.

SO, CERTAINLY, MY HEART GOES GOES OUT TO ALL, POLICE OFFICERS, HAD TO DEAL WITH WITH THAT, TRAGEDY AND ALSO THE FAMILY INVOLVED AS WELL, CERTAINLY THOSE THAT LOST LOVED ONES.

SO, MY, MY HEART GOES OUT TO THEM AS WELL.

I JUST WANTED TO, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HIGHLIGHT, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT OF COMPASSION GOES A LONG WAY.

RIGHT? COUNCILMAN FOSTER.

WE GO WAY BACK 2016.

CERTAINLY. YOU KNOW WHAT HE WENT THROUGH, OBVIOUSLY JUST, YOU KNOW, CAN'T CAN'T IMAGINE, WHAT WE WENT THROUGH UNLESS YOU WERE IN HIS SHOES AND SO ON.

IT'S BEEN A YEAR.

AND I LOOKED AT THIS MAN AS AN OLDER BROTHER.

I CAN TELL YOU, PART OF ME SITTING ON THIS DAIS TODAY CAN ATTRIBUTE A LOT OF IT TO TO HIM, HIS ENCOURAGEMENT TO, TO TO RUN FOR OFFICE AND SO ON TO SERVE THIS, THIS CITY.

AND I LOOKED UP TO HIM IN MANY DIFFERENT ASPECTS AS A MAN OF COURAGE AND AS A MAN OF INTEGRITY.

WHEN HE'S BEING ATTACKED FROM THE DICE FROM OUR CITIZENS.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S RIGHT.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR.

I THINK IT'S A LACK OF COMPASSION.

FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD.

I JUST THINK WE NEED TO DISPLAY A LITTLE BIT OF MORE COMPASSION FOR FOLKS THAT CHOOSE TO.

OBVIOUSLY, NONE OF US DO THIS FOR THE MONEY COMPENSATION.

RIGHT? BRINGING, YOU KNOW, MONEY AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

AND. BEING, YOU KNOW, ELECTED OFFICIALS BEING LOOKED AT IN CERTAIN WAY.

TO ME, THIS IS THIS IS ON CALL FOR I'M OFFENDED.

I DON'T THINK IT'S RIGHT.

A LITTLE BIT OF COMPASSION GOES A LONG WAY.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. THANK YOU.

ON THE MY REPORTS, I'VE GOT SEVERAL THINGS.

THE VERY FIRST, I'M GOING TO PICK UP WHERE YOU WHERE YOU STARTED.

TWO OFFICERS BALL, FRANZ AND MARTIN.

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THANK YOU FOR YOUR DEDICATED SERVICE.

WHAT OCCURRED ON SUNDAY AFTERNOON WAS A HORRIFIC.

INCIDENT IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BUT BECAUSE OF THE ACTIONS OF THESE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS, THEY PREEMPTED WHAT POTENTIALLY COULD HAVE BEEN A DEVASTATING ASSAULT ON OUR COMMUNITY.

THE FACT THAT THEY STEPPED UP.

AND AS THE DETAILS CONTINUE TO COME OUT, YOU WILL FIND THAT PALM BAY'S POLICE DEPARTMENT HIRES THE FINEST INDIVIDUALS TO SERVE THIS COMMUNITY. LET US ALWAYS REMEMBER THIS WHEN IT COMES TO GETTING THEIR EQUIPMENT.

WHEN IT COMES TO GIVING THEM THE TOOLS NECESSARY TO PROTECT AND SERVE OUR COMMUNITY.

THE ACTIONS OF THESE HEROIC OFFICERS AND THE ENTIRE TEAM IS NOTEWORTHY, AND IT IS A DEBT THAT WE COULD NEVER REPAY. BECAUSE OF YOUR EFFORTS, YOU PREEMPTED A POTENTIAL MASSACRE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND WE ARE SO EVER GRATEFUL AND I'VE PUBLICLY HAVE SAID THIS I DECLARE ANGELS PROTECT AND SERVE.

OUR ANGELS SURROUND THEM AS THEY GO OUT EACH AND EVERY DAY ABOUT THEIR CIVIC DUTY IN PROTECTING OUR, OUR, OUR CITY.

BUT IT'S EVEN MORE THAN THAT.

THE MENTAL HEALTH COMPONENT TO THAT, AS YOU MUST BE AWARE.

THERE WAS A DEVASTATING CRIME SCENE THAT OUR CRIME SCENE TECHS, EVERY LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL THAT WAS PART OF THAT TEAM, EVERY FIRST RESPONDER THAT WAS PART OF TREATING THE WOUNDED INDIVIDUALS.

WE OWE A GREAT DEBT OF GRATITUDE.

WE ALWAYS HAVE TO CONSIDER THOSE THAT SERVE THIS COMMUNITY TO PROTECT EVEN OUR CHILDREN.

COULD YOU IMAGINE JUST THE GUNSHOT OUT IN THE PUBLIC? THAT'S WHAT WAS GOING ON ON THAT DAY.

WE OWE YOU SO MUCH.

WE'RE SO GRATEFUL.

AND WE CONTINUE TO DECLARE ANGELS AND CAMP ABOUT YOU AND PROTECT YOU.

THIS LEADS ME, GENTLEMEN, AND I'M GOING TO LOOK FOR SOME.

GUIDANCE AND CONSENSUS.

SO OVER THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS, I HAVE BEEN AWARE.

I'VE BEEN MADE AWARE THAT THERE IS SOMEWHAT SIMILAR TO A HALFWAY HOUSE OR HALFWAY HOMES IN OUR COMMUNITY, WITHIN OUR COMMUNITIES, AND WE WEREN'T EVEN AWARE THEY EVEN EXISTED.

WHAT WE DID KNOW, AND WHAT I WAS AWARE, IS THAT THERE ARE, UNDER THE SAME LAW, THERE ARE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES. THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE.

THE ISSUE IS THESE HALFWAY HOMES THAT HAVE INDIVIDUALS, FOR THE MOST PART, FELONS WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY, WHERE OUR CHILDREN LIVE, WHERE OUR FAMILIES ARE OPEN TO THEIR NEIGHBORS.

WHAT I'M ASKING AND AND PART OF THAT, I'VE WORKED BEHIND THE SCENES WITH THE CITY MANAGER, AND THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS GIVEN US SOME INFORMATION REGARDING THAT STATUTE, WHAT I'M ASKING CONSENSUS FOR, BECAUSE WITHIN THE INFORMATION OUR CITY ATTORNEY PROVIDED, I SEE THAT THERE'S SOME POTENTIAL WHERE WE COULD ACTUALLY OVERSEE SOME OF THE, THE, THE DEVASTATION THAT THEY COULD BE BRINGING INTO OUR COMMUNITY. THEY HAVE MENTAL HEALTH LICENSE OR THEY HAVE SOME TYPE OF HEALTH, LICENSES THAT THEY MUST APPLY TO.

AND THAT IS REGULATED BY THE DCF, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND.

WHAT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO RECOGNIZE IS THESE HOMES MAY HAVE FELONS RIGHT NEXT TO A CHILD, AND EVEN THE FAMILIES AREN'T AWARE.

SO WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE FOR THE CITY MANAGER, ALONG WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY, TO FORM A TASK FORCE THAT WOULD INCLUDE OUR GROWTH MANAGEMENT, THAT WOULD INCLUDE OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS, OUR FIREFIGHTERS, BECAUSE THE SPRINKLER SYSTEMS ARE ARE PROBABLY PART OF WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO.

BUILDING CODE AND CODE ENFORCEMENT, ALL THESE DIFFERENT AGENCIES AND INCLUDING LAW ENFORCEMENT, OF COURSE, ALL THESE DIFFERENT HEADS OR MINDS TO COME TOGETHER TO HONE IN ON WHAT THE CITY ATTORNEY'S PROVIDED WITH HOW WE COULD BETTER ENFORCE AND REGULATE THESE FACILITIES, THAT COULD BE A PROMINENT DANGER, I CONSIDER COULD BE A PROMINENT DANGER TO OUR COMMUNITIES.

AND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT JUST RECENTLY OCCURRED ON SUNDAY, I DON'T WANT TO JEOPARDIZE ANY CHILD.

SO I'M ASKING FOR YOUR SUPPORT.

I'M ASKING FOR YOUR CONSENSUS TO ALLOW THE CITY MANAGER TO FORM A TASK FORCE, IF YOU WILL.

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TO START, YOU KNOW, EXPLORING HOW WE COULD IDENTIFY AND REGULATE AND KEEP THESE PLACES AWAY FROM OUR NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE CHILDREN MAY BE, IN CLOSE PROXIMITY.

COUNCILMAN JOHNSON O COUNCILMAN FOSTER.

YEAH. I'M I'M GOOD WITH IT, BUT, MAYBE THE CHIEF.

VERIFY WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY.

WHEN A PERSON IS, A CONVICTED CHILD MOLESTER OR OR CONVICTED OF OF I THINK CHILD MOLESTATION OR RAPE OR THEY CAN'T BE AROUND A SCHOOL.

THEY CAN'T. I'M TALKING ABOUT FELONS.

NOT NECESSARILY CHILD MOLESTERS.

YEAH, BUT YEAH, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS A CONVICTED CHILD MOLESTER CANNOT BE, OR CANNOT LIVE CLOSE TO A SCHOOL, A SCHOOL, OR THEY CANNOT LIVE WHERE CHILDREN ARE NEXT DOOR.

BUT THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, I THINK IT'S IT'S LIKE A STATEWIDE OR NATIONAL, REGULATION OR STATUE.

MAYBE THE CHIEF CAN ANSWER THAT.

YES, SIR. IF SHE CAN COME UP.

BUT I THINK WHEN I SAID CONVICTED FELON, I WASN'T TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE THERE IS FLORIDA STATUTE THAT ADDRESSES THE, SEXUAL PREDATORS.

BUT. COME ON UP, CHIEF.

IF MADAM SHERMAN, YOU MIGHT HAVE YOU MIGHT HAVE SOMEONE IN A HALFWAY HOME SERVING OUT THEIR SENTENCE.

YES. MAYBE THE CHIEF.

GOOD EVENING. SO, YEAH, I BELIEVE IT'S TWO SEPARATE ENTITIES.

SO YOU'RE CORRECT. COUNCILMAN.

FOSTER. IN TERMS OF THOSE THAT ARE REGISTERED SEX OFFENDERS AND SEXUAL PREDATORS, THERE ARE CRITERIAS PER FLORIDA STATE STATUTES IN TERMS OF WITHIN 1000FT OF A SCHOOL PLAYGROUND, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

BUT THAT DOES NOT APPLY TO LIVING NEXT TO A HOME WITH, WITH CHILDREN.

I THINK WHAT THE MAYOR IS REFERRING TO IS IN TERMS OF SOBER LIVING FACILITIES, THAT THEY, FOLKS THAT ARE TRANSITIONING FROM PRISON AND OR DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS OR COUNTY JAIL THAT MAY HAVE SUBSTANCE ABUSE, STIPULATIONS, SET FORTH BY THE, BY THE COURTS IN TERMS OF REHAB AND PROGRAMING.

THEY THEN ARE ARE FLOCKED INTO A, A HALFWAY HOUSE OF SORTS.

THAT CAN HOUSE SIX, 7 TO 8 INDIVIDUALS UNDER THOSE SAME CONDITIONS FOR, YOU KNOW, NARCOTICS ABUSE OR ALCOHOL ABUSE.

AND YES, THEY CAN HAVE THEY CAN BE CONVICTED FELONS, FORCIBLE FELONIES.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S REALLY NO LIMIT TO IT.

OKAY. SO THERE'S NO STATUTE, OKAY.

BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS A STATUTE FOR, CHILD, CONVICTED CHILD.

YES. THEY HAVE TO REPORT, THEY HAVE TO REPORT, BUT THEY HAVE TO REPORT TO THE LOCAL COUNTY, THE MUNICIPALITY THAT THEY'RE, THAT THEY'RE MOVING INTO PRIOR TO MOVING INTO A LOCATION TO, TO ENSURE THAT THEY'RE NOT IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO A SCHOOL OR ANY TYPE OF FACILITY OR DAYCARE OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE, BUT NOT NECESSARILY A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. WITH KIDS LIVING NEXT DOOR, IS IT IS THERE A WEBSITE OR SOMETHING THAT'S SAYING THAT THIS PERSON IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD WHO KEEPS THAT INFORMATION, BREVARD COUNTY, THE BREVARD COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, HAS IT, HAS IT, RIGHT? YES. THEY MONITOR IT AND WE MONITOR OURS IN OUR CITY.

BUT WE WE WORK THROUGH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.

OKAY, OKAY.

I'M GOOD WITH MAYOR. I'M OKAY WITH IT.

I THINK, MY MY, MY ONLY HAZARD IS ARE WE? WE WANT SOMEBODY TO REHABILITATE, BUT WE ALSO WANT THE THE COMMUNITY TO BE SAFE.

ARE WE, OPPOSING ANOTHER RESTRICTION ON ON SOMETHING THAT WE CAN'T CONTROL.

THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S MY.

YEAH. SO IF IF AND I, I'M NOT SURE IF THE CITY ATTORNEY JUST PASSED ON SOME OF THOSE CONDITIONS.

MY, MY GOAL IS PROTECTING THE FAMILIES WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.

IN OTHER WORDS, RIGHT NOW, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW MANY WE HAVE IN OUR CITY.

THAT'S AN AREA CONCERN THAT SHOULD BE IDENTIFIED.

AND IN THAT, WHERE ARE THEY? SO WE COULD HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS POTENTIALLY AGGRESSIVE FELONS IN THE MIX.

I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT REHABILITATION.

HOWEVER, SOME OF THESE INDIVIDUALS, AS YOU KNOW, YOU WERE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, THEY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE SITUATIONS AND THEY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

I'M SURE YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT.

YEAH. SO MY, MY THE WHOLE PREMISE IS FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO WORK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY, MAYBE HAVE SOMEONE ASSIGN HAVE DIFFERENT REPRESENTATIVES FROM OUR CITY ON A TASK FORCE TO LOOK AT THIS, HONE IN ON THESE HALFWAY HOUSES OR COMMUNITY

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RESIDENTIALS, WHICH ARE REGULATED BY DCF.

AND FURTHERMORE, SOME OF THESE PLACES, THEY SHOULD HAVE LICENSES.

WHO'S FOLLOWING UP ON THOSE? SOME OF THESE PLACES, AS YOU JUST RECENTLY HEARD, DEPENDING ON THE SIZE, THEY SHOULD HAVE SPRINKLER SYSTEMS WITHIN THERE, WITHIN THAT COMMUNITY.

SO THERE'S A WHOLE HOST OF THESE THINGS THAT WE SHOULD BE AWARE OF, THE IDENTIFYING OF THEM, AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE, FOLLOWING THE LAW.

AND BASED ON THAT, A TASK FORCE WITHIN OUR CITY, THEY CAN GET TOGETHER AND START WORKING THIS ISSUE AND AND PROVIDING THAT INFORMATION AND SEEING HOW WE COULD, MOVE THE COMMUNITY FORWARD WITH PROTECTING THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE WITHIN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

THAT IS MY HOPE. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT AND I, I WOULD LIKE TO.

OH. GO FORWARD WITH YOUR TASK FORCE IDEA.

BUT HAVE A WORKSHOP ON IT, BECAUSE I'M THINKING MAYBE THESE HALFWAY HOUSES DON'T NEED TO BE NEXT TO A SCHOOL OR SO MANY FEET FROM A SCHOOL OR CERTAIN, SENIOR SENIOR NEIGHBOR, SENIOR LIVING FACILITY, THINGS OF THAT NATURE TO PROTECT OUR, OUR CITIZENS. MAYBE WE COULD COME UP WITH A ORDINANCE OR REGULATIONS.

YEAH, I GET YES, SIR.

THAT THAT'S PROBABLY THE SECOND STEP.

OKAY. WHEN ALL THAT DETAIL INFORMATION WAS TO COME BACK, MAYBE WE COULD HONE IN AND JUST MOVE FURTHER ON THAT.

BUT I THINK WE MAY BE GETTING AHEAD OF OURSELVES.

OKAY. YES. I'M GOOD MAN.

MAYOR, CAN WE HEAR FROM, CITY ATTORNEY, ON THAT TOPIC? MAYOR? YEAH, WE CERTAINLY CAN MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ABIDING BY EXISTING ZONING BUILDING REGULATIONS, BUT AS FAR AS WHERE THEY ARE LOCATED.

WE DON'T HAVE VERY MUCH AUTHORITY.

NOT ONLY DO WE NOT HAVE VERY MUCH, MOST OF IT IS PREEMPTED IF THEY HAVE IF IT'S SIX OR FEWER RESIDENTS.

THERE ARE A FEW THINGS IN WHICH THEY HAVE TO NOTIFY THE CITY, YOU KNOW, SO THE CITY CAN MAKE SURE THE CITY AND THEIR LICENSING AGENCY CAN MAKE SURE THEY MEET THE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS. IF THEY IF IT'S RESIDENTIAL OR MULTIFAMILY, THEY CAN PRETTY MUCH GO THERE.

WE ARE NOT ABLE TO ADD ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS.

THE PREEMPTION THAT THE STATE HAS, IT ALLOWS US TO IT SAYS IT.

THERE'S NOTHING THAT PROHIBITS US FROM DOING MORE LIBERAL STANDARDS, BUT WE AREN'T ABLE TO BE MORE RESTRICTIVE.

WE DON'T HAVE THAT AUTHORITY.

WELL, I MEAN, THERE IS SOME CRITERIA THAT WE CAN LOOK AT AS FAR AS MULTIFAMILY, BUT THOSE ARE CRITERIA THAT THE STATE HAS GIVEN US, AND WE CAN ONLY APPLY THOSE STATE CRITERIA.

WE'RE NOT ABLE TO PUT OUT ADDITIONAL REGULATION AT THIS POINT.

IT'S PREEMPTED. BUT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE ABIDING BY BUILDING CODES.

THAT'S CORRECT.

WELL, SO ACCORDING TO WHAT YOU JUST SAID, IN FLORIDA STATUTES, HOMES ARE SIX OR FEWER RESIDENTS.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE THEM IN CERTAIN COMMUNITIES.

THAT'S THE FIRST THING. BUT WHAT ABOUT OUR CODE WITH WITH, SHOULD WE HAVE, FIRE SPRINKLERS? ISN'T THAT PART OF, WHAT I'M TRYING TO DRAW IS GET A TASK FORCE TOGETHER TO SEE, TO IDENTIFY THAT AND SEE THAT THEY ARE IN COMPLIANCE RIGHT NOW.

WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THEY'RE AT.

NO. THEY ARE. I'M NOT SPEAKING AGAINST THAT GET INFORMATION.

I'M JUST MAKING IT CLEAR AS FAR AS US ADOPTING AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD IMPOSE ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS BEYOND THE STATE STATUTORY, THAT THEY HAVE TO BE 1200 FEET APART. WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.

WE CERTAINLY CAN GATHER INFORMATION.

WE COULD CERTAINLY MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ABIDING BY BUILDING CODES.

THERE ARE CERTAIN ZONING ASPECTS THAT THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH, BUT WE CAN'T MAKE THEM ADD ANY ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS THAT AREN'T IN THE STATE STATUTE, BUT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ABIDING BY BUILDING CODES.

ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE I WANT TO GO.

AND THE ONLY WAY WE COULD DO THAT IS BY IDENTIFYING THEM AND CREATING A TASK FORCE OF OUR STAFF THAT CAN ACTUALLY WORK THROUGH THESE THINGS.

THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS.

THE OTHER THING THAT DON'T DON'T I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE ONLY TOOL WE MAY HAVE IS A THROUGH THE TR PROCESS APPLICATION, RIGHT.

THEY WOULD HAVE TO DESCRIBE OR TO SOME DEGREE DESCRIBE THE TYPE OF, BUSINESS THEY, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEING OR SERVICES THAT'S BEING PROVIDED. THAT CORRECT.

MOST LIKELY. WELL WE'LL FIND OUT ABOUT THEM.

AND WHAT WE SHOULD FIND OUT IS THEN WHEN THEY SUBMIT AN APPLICATION TO GROWTH, BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO NEED TO PROVIDE THE FROM THEIR LICENSING AGENCY AND OTHER SIMILAR, AGENCIES THAT LICENSE THESE RESIDENTIAL HOUSES WHERE THEY ARE.

SO THEY GIVE THEY GET THE INFORMATION FROM THE AGENCIES AND THEY GIVE IT TO US SO THAT WE KNOW WHERE ALL OF THESE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL HOUSES ARE TO BE ABLE TO ASSESS

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WHETHER THEY ARE WITHIN 1200 FEET.

NOW, ONCE THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, MEET THE DISTANCE REQUIREMENT, OTHER THINGS, CERTAINLY BUILDING TYPE OF THINGS, THERE'S REALLY NOT ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE AUTHORITY OVER.

EVERYBODY WE MAKE TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU MAKE SURE THEY'RE IN THE RESIDENTIAL IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY NEED TO BE IN.

AND THEY MEET THE DISTANCE RESTRICTIONS.

BUT AFTER THAT, IT'S REALLY ABOUT REGULAR BUILDING CODES.

EVERYBODY IS SUBJECT TO THE BUILDING CODES, AND THEY WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE BUILDING CODES AS WELL.

BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER AUTHORITY.

SO AND THAT'S THAT'S PART OF IT.

MA'AM, I'M ALSO CONCERNED WITH.

PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE THERE.

RIGHT. SO IF THERE'S A HALFWAY HOUSE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, ON MY BLOCK, WHEN MY CHILDREN COME AND PLAY, I REALLY WANT TO KNOW. SO THAT THAT'S PART OF THE THE DISCUSSION THE TASK FORCE SHOULD BE HAVING.

I BELIEVE THE TASK FORCE SHOULD ALSO BE LOOKING AT NOT ONLY IDENTIFYING WHERE THEY'RE AT.

IN MY OPINION, THIS IS THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE WE NEED TO START DIGGING INTO THIS BECAUSE IT COULD CREATE IT'S JEOPARDIZING FAMILIES.

AND RIGHT WITH WHAT YOU TOLD ME, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A LICENSE REGARDING THIS.

CORRECT. AND IN THAT LICENSE, HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THEY DO HAVE A LICENSE TO DO THAT WITHOUT US GOING IN THERE, WITHOUT US TRYING TO GET, YOU KNOW, IDENTIFYING WHERE THEY'RE AT? YES, MA'AM. SO HEARING THE CONVERSATION, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE, IF YOU'LL ALLOW US, LET US JUST KIND OF DIG THROUGH THIS.

LOOK AT WHAT THE STATE LAW ALLOWS US TO DO.

AS CITY ATTORNEY HAS ALREADY TALKED ABOUT.

LOOK AT WHAT OUR ROLE IS, AND WE CAN BRING BACK SORT OF A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW.

SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT OUR, OUR, OUR OPERATIONAL PLATFORM IS.

AND THEN CERTAINLY IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO SEEK TO CHANGE AT THE STATE LEVEL, TO GIVE US MORE LOCAL CONTROL, THAT CAN ALSO BE SOMETHING IN A FUTURE YEAR THAT WE WORK WITH OUR LOBBYISTS ON. BUT LET US FIRST GATHER THE DETAILS SO THAT WE CAN ANSWER, BECAUSE I'M NOT PREPARED TO FULLY ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS YET, TO YOUR POINT.

BUT YES, WE'LL WORK TOGETHER BETWEEN MY MY TEAM AND CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO MAKE SURE IT'S VERY CLEAR WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT DO, WHAT WE CAN REGULATE ABOUT THESE THINGS AND WHAT WE CAN. AND THEN WE'LL BRING THAT BACK TO YOU ALL.

OKAY. AND AND THAT THAT'S WHAT I MEAN BY A TASK FORCE.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I MEAN BY A TASK FORCE.

THERE SHOULD BE A LAW ATTORNEY THERE.

IT SHOULD BE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS TO INCLUDE.

PERHAPS THE CHIEF WILL ASSIGN SOMEONE AND THEN THE FIRE CHIEF WILL DO THE SAME.

BUT THAT THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS.

THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS RIGHT NOW.

I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THESE THINGS EXISTED.

AND SO, YOU KNOW WE ARE WE PUTTING OUR OUR COMMUNITY.

AND I KNOW THIS IS BY STATE STATUTE, BUT THIS IS WHAT I FEEL IS, YOU KNOW, THESE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES BECAUSE THE PURPOSE OF THIS WAS FOR REALLY, I THINK, ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES.

BUT I'M NOT GOING TO I DON'T WANT TO JEOPARDIZE OUR, OUR COMMUNITIES WHEN THESE THINGS ARE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE AND NOBODY KNOWS THEY'RE THERE.

SO THOSE ARE LIKE THE RESULT.

A TASK FORCE IS GOOD.

DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE CHIEF? BECAUSE WE KEPT THEM UP ALL THIS TIME.

THANK YOU. CHIEF, I DIDN'T MEAN TO KEEP YOU SO LONG, SIR.

THANK YOU. SO THAT WELL, THAT DOESN'T END MY REPORT, BUT THAT'S FIRST AND SECOND.

THEN I JUST WANT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, IT IS BLACK HISTORY MONTH.

AND MY MY FAVORITE IS FREDERICK DOUGLASS.

I KNOW YOU KNEW THIS, BUT I DON'T KNOW.

NOT ONLY WAS IT WAS HE AN ORATOR, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU KNEW THAT HE WAS THE GENERAL COUNSEL TO HAITI.

YOU DID KNOW THAT.

OKAY. AND DID YOU KNOW THAT HE WAS A UNITED STATES MARSHAL? SO ANYWAY, KUDOS TO HIM.

AND THEN I'LL END WITH THIS.

TO MY LOVELY WIFE.

HAPPY VALENTINE'S DAY TO THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

HAPPY VALENTINE'S DAY.

THAT CONCLUDES MY, MY REPORTS.

MADAM CHAIRMAN, YOUR REPORTS.

I THANK YOU, MAYOR. I JUST HAVE ONE ITEM.

THE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE UNITED THIRD BRIDGE, SAMANTHA BEEKMAN, YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH.

WE'VE WORKED WITH THEIR GROUP ON THE PUERTO RICAN PARADE.

THEY REACHED OUT TO US BECAUSE THEY HAVE, PARTNERED WITH A GROUP IN OSCEOLA COUNTY CALLED THE ALIANZA CENTER.

IT IS A GROUP THAT HAS A RESILIENCE RESILIENCY INITIATIVE.

AND WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS THEY'RE APPLYING FOR A FEDERAL GRANT.

IT'S ACTUALLY A NATIONAL, NATIONAL OCEANIC AND ATMOSPHERIC ADMINISTRATION GRANTS, AND IT IS A GRANT THAT IS RELATED TO CLIMATE RESILIENCE.

AND ESSENTIALLY WHAT THEY'VE REACHED OUT TO US ABOUT IS WHETHER THE CITY WOULD PROVIDE A LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR THE GRANT APPLICATION.

AS THEY'VE DESCRIBED IT TO ME, THE, THE FUNDING THAT THEY WOULD GET AND THIS IS THEIR PARTNERSHIP, THEY WOULD BE THE BREVARD COUNTY, THE PALM BAY

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SPECIFIC IMPLEMENTER OF THE THINGS THAT THIS ALIANZA CENTER WOULD BE FUNDED TO DO, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THINGS LIKE EDUCATION AND COMMUNICATION TO HELP, MEMBERS IN THE COMMUNITY, THOSE WHO ARE, YOU KNOW, UNDERSERVED TO HELP THEM WITH PREPAREDNESS AND RESILIENCE EFFORTS.

SO JUST REALLY WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE AND SEE IF COUNCIL IS INTERESTED IN PROVIDING A LETTER OF SUPPORT.

THAT WAS THEIR REQUEST.

AND DID YOU, GET A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT IT IS THAT THE SERVICES THEY'RE GOING TO PROVIDE THE CITY, ALL THEY WOULD PROVIDE.

AND I ASKED SEVERAL DIFFERENT TIMES, ALL THEY WOULD PROVIDE WAS THAT IT WAS EDUCATION AND COMMUNICATION TO HELP WITH PREPAREDNESS AND RESILIENCE EFFORTS.

THE OTHER THING THAT THEY HAD WRITTEN WAS THAT THEY WILL PURSUE NEW OR UPDATED RISK COMMUNICATION EFFORTS, AND THEY WILL SEEK TO PROVIDE RESILIENCE INITIATIVES, INCLUDING URBAN PLANNING STRATEGIES TO REDUCE FLOOD RISK FROM SEVERE WEATHER EVENTS, WHICH, AS I MENTIONED TO YOU, WE'RE WE'RE ALREADY DOING A VULNERABILITY VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT.

WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE THAT FOR THE CITY AS A WHOLE.

ANYWAY, SO THAT THAT IS ALL THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO GIVE ME, EVEN THOUGH I DID ASK FOR MORE SPECIFIC DETAILS.

AND SO IT ALL IT IS, IS A LETTER OF SAYING, HEY, THAT WE SUPPORT YOUR GRANT.

WE SUPPORT YOUR GRANT APPLICATION.

OKAY. YEAH. I'M GOOD.

I WOULD NEED MORE INFORMATION.

MAYOR. I'M.

I DON'T WANT TO GO INTO ANYTHING BLIND, SO I WOULD NEED A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION.

OKAY. YEAH. COUNCILMAN.

FOSTER. OKAY.

YEAH. IT'S JUST, SUPPORT OF A GRANT APPLICATION.

RIGHT. OKAY.

MADAM SMITH OR OR DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR REPORT? SMITH. MADAM SMITH? NOTHING. FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS.

MR. COOK.

[PUBLIC COMMENTS/RESPONSES]

RON COOK, 714 PENGUIN AVENUE, NORTHEAST PALM BAY MAIER.

YOU TOOK THE WORDS RIGHT OUT OF MY MOUTH WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

UNBELIEVABLE WHAT THEY'VE DONE ON SUNDAY.

CHIEF, YOU HAVE A FANTASTIC AGENCY.

I WILL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, THE MEN AND WOMEN OF YOUR AGENCY ROSE TO THE LEVEL.

THAT'S UNBELIEVABLE.

I'VE BEEN IN LAW ENFORCEMENT MYSELF NOW RETIRED 38 YEARS.

I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOUR MEN WERE GOING THROUGH.

FOR THOSE TWO MEN TO GET SHOT, WOUNDED AND TO CONTINUE ON WITH THEIR JOB AND TAKE OUT THE THREAT.

UNBELIEVABLE. AND KUDOS TO YOU.

KUDOS TO THOSE TWO OFFICERS.

KUDOS TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR RESPONDING.

FANTASTIC. THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY.

NEXT SPEAKER, MISS JACKSON.

LISA JACKSON. PHYSICAL.

AND YES, I THINK I NEED TO LOWER THIS.

YEAH, YOU CAN BRING IT DOWN.

GOOD JOB MAN. IT'S MY FIRST TIME HERE SO YOU COULD BRING THE SPEAKER CLOSER TO YOU AS WELL.

I'LL TRY NOT TO TALK TOO FAST.

BUT I HAVE A PAGE TO READ.

I WROTE IT OUT SO I'D REMEMBER EVERYTHING.

I'M LISA JACKSON, AND I LIVE AT 589 TRUMPET STREET SOUTHWEST HERE IN PALM BAY.

FIRST, THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.

I'M HERE TO EXPRESS MY CONCERNS FOR THE RAPID AND EXTENSIVE DEVELOPMENT OCCURRING IN PALM BAY, WHICH EVERYBODY HERE IS AWARE OF.

LISA, CAN YOU JUST MOVE THE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONE? THANK YOU. SO IT MAY SOUND CRAZY, BUT I AM SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE ENVIRONMENT, THE WILDLIFE AND THE TREES.

THINGS THAT DON'T HAVE A VOICE OR AT LEAST DON'T SPEAK IN A LANGUAGE THAT WE ALL CAN UNDERSTAND.

I'M ALSO RAISING MY VOICE ON BEHALF OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO ARE DISTRESSED ABOUT THE ROLLER COASTER GROWTH OCCURRING, AND FEEL THAT NO ONE IS LISTENING.

I HAVE NOT MET ONE PERSON IN THE LAST TWO YEARS WHO IS HAPPY WITH THE DESTRUCTION OF THE LAND AND THE FAST PACED DEVELOPMENT OF PALM BAY.

MANY PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY FEEL THIS GROWTH IS ALL ABOUT PROFIT, INCREASED REVENUE AND TAXES THAT MIGHT SUPPORT THE FUTURE AMBITIONS OF PALM BAY.

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO HAVE LIVED HERE FOR YEARS AND ARE NOW JUST SEEING MORE CONGESTION AND CHAOS, LIKE THE PEOPLE EARLIER TALKING AT THE THE SCHOOL, DEVELOPERS FROM OUT OF STATE AND DOWN SOUTH ARE SEEING THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A PROFIT HERE AND BUYING UP LAND FOR MORE HOUSING.

MOST OF THEM DON'T LIVE HERE, SO THEY PROBABLY DON'T CARE.

I CARE A LOT AND SO DO A LOT OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

SO HERE ARE SOME OF MY CONCERNS.

THE COST OF HOUSING THAT'S BEING BUILT FOR MOST OF THE RESIDENTS.

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THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT.

A LOT OF THE HOUSES THAT ARE BEING BUILT NOW COST 200 TO $300,000.

THAT'S REALLY OUT OF REACH FOR MOST HOMEOWNERS HERE IN PALM BAY.

AND A STUDENT GRADUATING FROM COLLEGE CAN'T AFFORD THE RENT FOR THE NEW APARTMENTS BEING BUILT 1600 TO 2000 A MONTH.

WE NEED LOWER TO MIDDLE INCOME HOUSING FOR EVERY COMMUNITY MEMBER.

ALSO, THE WILDLIFE HABITAT IS BEING DESTROYED.

WE LIVE HERE WITH OTHER SPECIES.

THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF FLORIDA.

THEY NEED TO BE CONSIDERED BEFORE CLEARING THE LAND.

I WISH THE CITY HAD AN ORDINANCE THAT A LOT CAN'T BE CLEARED UNTIL ALL PERMITS TO BUILD ARE APPROVED.

AT LEAST WILDLIFE WOULD HAVE FEEDING AND NESTING GROUNDS A WHILE LONGER.

ALSO, FLOODING IS A HUGE ISSUE, ESPECIALLY IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

THERE IS STANDING WATER EVERYWHERE, THE WATERWAY AT THE BASE OF MY DRIVEWAY.

I SOMETIMES CALL THE MOAT BECAUSE WHEN IT STARTS TO RAIN TOO MUCH, I WANT TO LOWER THE DRAWBRIDGE SO I CAN GET OUT OF MY DRIVEWAY.

I DON'T HAVE ONE OF THOSE AT THE MOMENT, BUT SOON I FEEL LIKE I'LL NEED A KAYAK JUST TO NAVIGATE THE STREETS.

ALSO, TRAFFIC IS A MESS AND LIKE PEOPLE SPOKE EARLIER, EVERYONE'S AWARE OF THAT.

MINTON ROAD IS SEVERELY CONGESTED.

IT NOW TAKES SEVERAL LIGHTS JUST TO CROSS PALM BAY ROAD AT 3:00 IN THE AFTERNOON.

WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT ALL THIS GROWTH.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH POWER YOU, THE CITY COUNCIL, HAS TO SLOW THINGS DOWN.

PERHAPS YOU THINK IT'S A GOOD THING AND IT IS A GOOD THING IN SOME RESPECTS.

BUT THE INFLUX OF NEW RESIDENTS IS CHANGING OUR CITY.

WHAT WAS ONCE A SAFE FEELING TOWN THAT HAD A SLOWER PACE IS BEGINNING TO LOOK LIKE MIAMI OR WEST PALM BEACH.

I WOULD ASK YOU TO TAKE A MORE HOLISTIC VIEW OF ALL OF THIS.

CONSIDER THE ENVIRONMENT, HABITAT, TREES, WATER, TRAFFIC AND THE IMPACT.

AND, WE JUST NEED TO TAKE A BREATH, SLOW DOWN, PUT THE BRAKES ON A LITTLE BIT.

ONE FINAL COMMENT.

THANK YOU. PLEASE.

PAVEMENT AND ROAD, PLEASE.

PLEASE, PLEASE. PAVEMENT AND ROAD BETWEEN JUPITER.

THANK YOU MA'AM, WE'RE WORKING ON THAT TIME, MR. STICE. WE ARE WORKING ON THE MITTEN ROAD SOUTH OF MALABAR.

IS THAT WHERE YOU'RE. YES, MA'AM.

IT'S UNDER CONTRACT.

OR I'LL.

WE'LL GET YOU A STATUS UPDATE ON THAT.

GO AHEAD. ROBERT STEIN, 1796 LYNBROOK DRIVE.

GENTLEMEN, I SUPPORT DEVELOPMENT.

IF IT'S DONE SMOOTHLY, SMARTLY.

YOU KNOW, THE LEVEL OF INFLATION HAS RECENTLY DROPPED ABOUT 3%, BUT IT'S CURRENTLY AT 17%.

YOU HAVE INCREASES IN GAS, FOOD, INSURANCE, MEDICAL, DENTAL, ETC., INCLUDING 12 MILLION MIGRANTS THAT HAVE GONE INTO THE STATES.

AND THE STATES ARE GOING TO TRY TO GET THAT MONEY FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

THIS ISN'T POLITICS. THESE NUMBERS ARE FACTS.

430 PEOPLE ARE MOVING INTO PALM BAY EVERY MONTH.

OKAY, THAT'S WHAT THE NUMBER IS NOW.

YOU TAKE 430 TIMES A YEAR.

IT'S 5160 PER YEAR.

I BEG YOUR PARDON? 551 60 PER YEAR 10,320IN YEAR TWO 25,800 A YEAR FIVE.

I'M NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE FIRE AND POLICE.

YOU ALREADY KNOW ABOUT THAT.

PEOPLE ARE GETTING CHOKED TO DEATH WHEN INCREASES.

I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S GOING TO SNUGGLE UP WITH ANY TAX INCREASES OR ANYTHING YOU WANT TO BRING TO THE CITY.

I MEAN, TO THE RESIDENTS OF THIS CITY TO HELP FACILITATE ANY PROJECTS.

RIGHT NOW, PEOPLE ARE HURTING.

I ALREADY TOLD YOU ABOUT GOING TO WALMART AND SEEING SOMEBODY GETTING $5.46 FOR HAM, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY HAD BEEN ABLE TO BUY FOR SLICED HAM, YOU KNOW, COLD CUTS AND WHAT HAVE YOU.

AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY.

I GUESS WHAT I'M WHAT I'M ASKING YOU IS YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT STUFF.

WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SITUATION WHEN YOU CONTINUE TO PUT PEOPLE ON TOP OF ONE ANOTHER.

OKAY. ALL OF THIS HEADCOUNT DESTROYS THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF WHAT WE ENJOY NOW.

IT SIMPLY DOES BECAUSE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS ABSOLUTELY OBSOLETE.

THESE ARE THE FACTS.

THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENING.

YOU DRIVE THE ROADS, I DRIVE THE ROADS.

I GOT A COUPLE NAVY BUDDIES THAT LIVE IN NEW YORK.

THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT COMING DOWN TO FLORIDA.

ONE'S PAYING $15,000 A YEAR.

PROPERTY TAXES.

THAT'S JUST PROPERTY TAXES.

HE'S GOT KIDS WHO HAVE KIDS WHO ARE ON NEW YORK FIRE DEPARTMENT, NEW YORK POLICE.

AND HE HAS A DAUGHTER THAT'S A TEACHER.

THEY'RE COMING TO FLORIDA.

I REMEMBER A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, YOU AND I CHATTED, MR. FOSTER ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE POTENTIAL, MORATORIUM THAT PEOPLE WEREN'T GOING TO COME DOWN.

THEY'RE COMING DOWN, AND IT'S ONLY GOING TO GET BUSIER AND BUSIER AND BUSIER BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY.

THEY'RE GETTING TAXED TO DEATH.

THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW.

SO HOW DO WE LOOK AT WHEN DEVELOPMENTS COME? HOW ARE WE GOING TO PUT THEM A HALF A MILE AWAY FROM BAYSIDE LAKES OR ANOTHER EXISTING COMMUNITY? OR CAN WE DO THAT SMARTER AND THINK ABOUT HOW IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE GOING TO ASSIST THE FOLKS IN THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE AND DRIVABILITY?

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THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IS ERICA HARRIS.

I'M GOING TO CHANGE IT UP A LITTLE BIT.

MY NAME IS ERICA JUAREZ, AND, I KEEP HEARING INFRASTRUCTURE, INFRASTRUCTURE, INFRASTRUCTURE.

BUT I REALLY WANT TO GO BACK TO THE SHOOTINGS AND THAT WHAT HAPPENED THIS PAST MONTH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT REALLY, REALLY AFFECTED ME.

I DON'T LIVE IN PALM BAY, BUT I OBVIOUSLY HAVE AN INTEREST IN THE DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, AND I WAS HE'S NOT HERE ANYMORE, BUT SO, SO AFFECTED BY THAT.

I AM ALSO A LICENSED MENTAL HEALTH COUNSELOR.

AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT THAT IS THE LAST THING MOST PEOPLE THINK ABOUT, RIGHT? THEY NEVER EXPECT THAT THEY'RE OKAY, GOT SHOT OR YOU GOT HURT OR WHATEVER.

BUT THE MENTAL ANGUISH THAT PEOPLE GO THROUGH, ESPECIALLY IN THAT LINE OF WORK, IT CAN BE 60,000 MORE. IT CAN BE 80,000 MORE.

THESE PEOPLE, THEY CARRY THIS AROUND.

IT'S TRAUMA AND IT'S NOT ANY GOOD WAY TO LIVE.

AND SO I JUST TELL YOU, I REALLY, REALLY SUPPORT EVERYTHING THAT THAT WE'RE DOING UP, UP WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO FOR OUR, OUR OFFICERS, OUR FIREFIGHTERS, ALL OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, THEY SEE A LOT.

SO I COMPLETELY SUPPORT THAT.

AND I, I REALLY AM GRATEFUL FOR THAT.

THE MEN IN BLUE I BACK THE BLUE BACK ALL THE FIRST RESPONDERS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, PALM BAY PROUD.

THANK YOU. THANKS.

THANK YOU MA'AM. ANY OTHER SPEAKER CARDS? NO. OKAY.

ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? MR. CHIEF? BILL BATTEN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST. I HAVE A COUPLE OF ITEMS TO ADDRESS.

ONE OF THEM WAS DURING PRESENTATIONS.

WE HAD A TEN MINUTE TIME LIMIT ON PRESENTATIONS.

IT WENT OVER TEN MINUTES.

I KNOW YOU HAVE NO PROBLEM TELLING ME MY TIME'S UP, SO JUST CURIOUS WHY YOU COULDN'T TELL THE INDIVIDUAL THAT HAD GIVEN THE PRESENTATION THAT THEY WENT OVER ON TIME.

ALSO, JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT.

ME BEING THE TYPE OF PERSON I AM TWO MEANT YOU.

WE HAVE MANDATES JAMMED ON US ALL THE TIME.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

WELL, THEY COULD MANDATE CAN'T THE CITY MANDATE THAT ACCORDING TO PARKING ORDINANCES THAT IF THE BUSINESS OR A SCHOOL DOESN'T HAVE PARKING TO ACCOMMODATE THEM, THEN THAT BUSINESS SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO OPERATE.

THERE'S CERTAIN CRITERIA THAT WE LOOK AT AND IT'S BEEN PART OF OUR ORDINANCES.

START MAKING THAT PART OF THE MANDATE THAT THEY MEET THAT CRITERIA.

RIGHT ON ON PUBLIC HEARING NUMBER ONE, I HAD SUBMITTED A BLUE CARD TO SPEAK ON IT.

I DIDN'T CALL IT UNDER POINT OF ORDER BECAUSE IT WAS A REHEARING, BUT UNDER RULES OF LAW, IT WAS A REHEARING AS PRESENTED.

IT WAS ON THE AGENDA.

I SHOULD HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS IT.

RIGHT. NEXT ITEM DEBT TO SOCIETY OF AN INDIVIDUAL.

AN INDIVIDUALS PAYS THEIR DEBT.

THEY HAVE TO DO SOME KIND OF PUNISHMENT.

AND THEN AT THAT PORTION, THEY'RE BEING BROUGHT BACK INTO SOCIETY.

IF WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE COMPASSION FOR THE HUMAN, WELL, LET'S HAVE COMPASSION FOR SOME OF THESE INDIVIDUALS.

ALSO, JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE A FELON DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN YOU'RE A BAD PERSON.

IT JUST MEANS YOU DIDN'T FOLLOW THE RULES SET DOWN BEFORE YOU.

RIGHT? AND SO WHEN YOU START HEARING SAYING, WELL, I GOT THIS FELON LIVING NEXT TO ME, SOCIETY HAS A TENSION, A TENDENCY TO RETALIATE TOWARDS THAT PERSON AS AN INDIVIDUAL. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO KEEP IT, KEEP THAT IN MIND.

AND SAME PERSON FOR THAT PERSON THAT'S GOT THE, THE, THE FELON, THEY HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN ACTIONS THROUGH LIFE.

AND THEY HAVE THAT OTHER PENALTY WAITING ON THEIR BACK ALL THE TIME.

THEY KNOW THAT.

I WANT. NEXT ITEM.

HOUSING OF ILLEGALS IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

DO YOU KNOW OF ANY HOUSING ESTABLISHMENTS RIGHT NOW WHERE ILLEGALS COMING IN BECAUSE IT'S THE SIZE OF IDAHO RIGHT NOW FOR THE POPULATION.

ARE ANY OF THEM BEING HOUSED IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY? AND AT WHAT COST TO THE CITY IF THAT'S HAPPENING? RIGHT. I CAN HOLD OFF ON THAT FOR AN ANSWER, BUT IF YOU KNOW IT NOW, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.