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MR. BOEREMA, WOULD YOU PLEASE LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? MISS PAL, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? YES. MR. BOEREMA.
PRESENT. MR. OUR SCHOOL BOARD APPOINTEE POSITION IS VACANT, AND OUR CHIEF DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY MICHAEL RODRIGUEZ, IS PRESENT.
MADAM CHAIR, WE DO HAVE A QUORUM.
THANK YOU. THERE ARE NO EXCUSED ABSENCES.
DO I HEAR A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES OF THE JANUARY MEETING?
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SO MOVED.THE LAND DEVELOPMENT STAFF WILL PRESENT THE STAFF REPORT FOR EACH CASE.
BOARD MEMBERS WILL THEN BE ASKED IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
FROM THE BOARD. THE FLOOR WILL THEN BE OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
FOR THE RECORD, AS A COURTESY, IF THERE IS A GROUP OF PEOPLE FROM A NEIGHBORHOOD WHO HAVE SIMILAR COMMENTS, YOU INFORMALLY APPOINT A SPOKESPERSON TO CLARIFY YOUR VIEWS. AFTER PUBLIC COMMENTS, I WILL BRING THE CASE BACK TO THE BOARD.
AT THIS TIME, THE FLOOR WILL BE CLOSED AND NO FURTHER COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE WILL BE HEARD.
I WILL THEN CALL FOR A MOTION AND A SECOND.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENDANCE AND FOR YOUR COOPERATION AND ADHERING TO THE MEETING GUIDELINES.
FOR AN ANNOUNCEMENT, THE THE VALKARIA GAS STATION CASE Q 23 00017 WILL NOT BE
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HEARD THIS EVENING.IF YOU'RE HERE FOR THAT CASE AGAIN, IT WILL NOT BE HEARD.
NOTICES WILL BE SENT WHEN NEW MEETING DATES ARE SET.
OKAY. SO THAT'S ALL THE ANNOUNCEMENTS.
MADAM CHAIR. OH, I'M SO SORRY, MADAM CHAIR.
IF I MAY MAKE ONE ANNOUNCEMENT.
OKAY. MISS KAREN BLACK WITH THE BREVARD PUBLIC SCHOOLS IS IN THE AUDIENCE.
IF YOU SHOULD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING, BREVARD PUBLIC SCHOOLS PLANNING OR ANY WITH ANY OF THE PROJECTS HERE ON THE DAIS TODAY, MISS BLACK.
WHO ARE YOU NOW? THERE SHE IS.
AND THERE'S KAREN. THANK YOU, THANK YOU.
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THE FIRST CASE, CP 23 00020.KIMBERLY ROZINKA IS THE REPRESENTATIVE.
AS YOU SEE BY THE MAP, IT IS LOCATED WEST OF AND ADJACENT TO ROBERT J.
THE FUTURE LAND USE CURRENTLY IS COMMERCIAL AND THE EXISTING ZONING IS HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL.
THE SITE CONTAINS OR CONSISTS OF ABOUT 26.5 ACRES, AND I THINK IT'S, GOOD TO NOTE THAT THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY EIGHT ACRES OF WETLANDS ON THIS SITE, WHICH DOES COMPROMISE ITS USE.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THAT THE LAND USE IS CHANGED FROM COMMERCIAL TO NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER.
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NOW COMMERCIAL AREAS.THE LAND USE ARE FOR AREAS SUPPORTIVE OF LOW TO MODERATE INTENSITY COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS, AND IT INCLUDES OFFICES, BUSINESSES, DAYCARES, HOTELS AND MOTELS, AND OTHER SIMILAR USES.
ADJACENT TO THIS SITE, YOU WILL SEE THAT TO THE WEST WE DO HAVE MDR.
IT IS AN ESTABLISHED, OLDER MOBILE HOME PARK.
THEY HAVE EXPRESSED A DESIRE TO HAVE A LOWER INTENSITY, IF YOU WILL, ON THE SITE ADJACENT TO THEM.
I AM ON THE MEND. BUT I MAY BE DOING THIS A LOT.
SORRY. TO THE SOUTH, NORTH AND EAST OF THE SITE.
IT IS INDUSTRIAL LAND USE OR COMMERCIAL LAND USE.
OKAY. I JUST WANT TO SET IT UP THERE.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THAT THE LAND USE IS CHANGED.
I BELIEVE THEY ARE REQUESTING ABOUT 294 APARTMENTS AND A 100 ROOM HOTEL.
THE PUD THAT YOU IS THE NEXT, ITEM WILL SHOW YOU THAT THE HOTEL IS IN THE SOUTH PARCEL.
THESE ARE FOUR SEPARATE PARCELS DIVIDED BY, ROADS, PUBLIC ROADS THAT LEAD TO THE MOBILE HOME PARK TO THE WEST. AND THE HOTEL WOULD BE IN THE SOUTHERN PARCEL, AND THEN THE APARTMENTS WOULD BE TO THE NORTH. THERE IS ONE OUT PARCEL THAT HAS A DOLLAR GENERAL.
YOU SEE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT ACTUALLY WORKS.
OH, IT DOES WORK. THERE YOU GO.
RIGHT THERE. THAT'S WHERE THE DOLLAR GENERAL OUT PARCEL IS.
AND THIS IS WHERE THE HOTEL WOULD BE.
REALLY. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ANALYSIS THAT IS REQUESTED OR REQUIRED TO BE PRESENTED AS PART OF A CHANGE IN LAND USE, THE THE QUESTION ABOUT ECONOMY IS THE VALUATION OF TAX REVENUE FOR THE MIX OF USES, THE MULTIFAMILY.
THE HOTEL IS PRESENTED AS BEING CONSISTENT WITH COMMERCIAL VALUATION NUMBERS.
SO THAT IS THAT ANALYSIS, THAT ONE QUESTION, WILL IT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE LEVEL OF SERVICES OF PUBLIC FACILITIES? WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY NEGATIVE COMMENTS FROM OUR DIFFERENT UTILITIES.
IT WOULD NOT NEGATIVELY IMPINGE UPON OUR UTILITIES AND OUR TRANSPORTATION.
THE ENVIRONMENT WOULD STILL BE PROTECTED.
CERTAINLY. THIS THIS PROJECT IS PROPOSING TO PROTECT THE MAJORITY OF THE EIGHT ACRES OF WETLANDS.
AND WOULD IT FAVORABLY OR ADVERSELY AFFECT THE ABILITY OF PEOPLE TO FIND ADEQUATE HOUSING? THE APPLICANT DOES MAKE A COMPELLING ARGUMENT THAT THESE PROPERTIES ARE LOCATED NEAR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL IN THE AREA, WHICH PROVIDES A BASE OF JOB OPPORTUNITIES.
CONLON BOULEVARD IS ACTUALLY PART OF OUR, OUR HELP ME IN ENVIRONMENT OR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN THAT WAS PRODUCED IN FEBRUARY OF 23.
AND IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN, IT ACTUALLY IDENTIFIES DIFFERENT INDUSTRY CLUSTERS.
CONLON BOULEVARD IS ONE OF THOSE SOUTH OF PALM BAY ROAD.
IT'S THE L3 HARRIS CLUSTER INDUSTRY CLUSTER.
BUT IN THIS AREA IT IS THE RENAISSANCE ELECTRONICS AMERICA, WHICH IS THEIR BUSINESS CORRIDOR.
AND THAT THAT OPERATION IS LOCATED RIGHT HERE JUST SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY IN THIS INDUSTRIAL AREA.
SO IN THESE CORRIDORS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED IN OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN, THEY IDENTIFY THESE CORRIDORS AS WANTING TO BE DEVELOPED, PRESERVATION OF COMMERCIAL LAND USES WITHIN THESE ECONOMIC.
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IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN 2045, WE HAVE JUST OVER 818% OF THE CITY'S VACANT LAND IS COMPRISED OF COMMERCIAL, OFFICE AND INDUSTRIAL. WE HAVE IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT ACTUALLY STATES THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH LAND USE RECOGNIZED AND IDENTIFIED, WHETHER VACANT OR CURRENT USE, IN THE CITY TO SERVE THE POPULATION GROWTH THAT IS PROJECTED OUT TO 2045.SO LET ME TRY TO SAY THAT AGAIN.
THE THE RESIDENTIAL, WHETHER IT BE MULTIFAMILY, WHETHER IT BE SINGLE FAMILY, WE HAVE IT SAYS IN OUR COMP PLAN WE HAVE ENOUGH LAND TO SERVE THE THE PROJECTED GROWTH THAT WE'RE SEEING UP TO 2045, WHEREAS IT ALSO STATES WE HAVE ONLY 18% OF OUR PROPERTIES ARE COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL OR OFFICE. SO WE HAVE A DICHOTOMY HERE THAT WE NEED TO, ADDRESS.
SO THAT IS WHY FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THOSE TWO DOCUMENTS OF THE CITY, THAT'S WHY WE, THE STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED, THAT THIS NOT BE SUPPORTED, THIS CHANGE NOT BE SUPPORTED TO GO ON AGAIN WITH THE ANALYSIS IT TALKS ABOUT PROTECTING PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE.
THERE WOULD BE OBVIOUSLY NO, NO, ADVERSE EFFECTS ON THAT.
IT IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE ELEMENTS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS, AS JUST STATED.
AND, WHETHER THE REQUEST MAXIMIZES COMPATIBILITY BETWEEN USES, STAFF BELIEVES THAT, THAT A RIGHT ADJACENT TO YOU HAVE RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
RIGHT. SO I'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE PLANNING PHILOSOPHY.
SO YOUR RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND YOU WANT TO HAVE SINGLE FAMILY ADJACENT TO MULTIFAMILY, WHICH IS A LITTLE HIGHER INTENSE, AND THEN MAYBE ADJACENT TO COMMERCIAL AREAS OR PROFESSIONAL AREAS AND THEN MOVING ON TOWARDS INDUSTRIAL.
SO IN THIS INSTANCE, WE FEEL THAT THE COMPATIBILITY FROM INDUSTRIAL TO COMMERCIAL TO MULTIFAMILY, WHICH IS WHERE IT IS CURRENTLY MEETS THE FLORIDA STATUTE OF COMPATIBILITY, THE TRANSITION, RELOCATES HIGHER WHETHER I THINK I'VE ALREADY COVERED MOST OF THE ANALYSIS.
AND SO FOR CP 23 00020, IT IS NOT RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL BASED ON THE ANALYSIS PROVIDED.
AND I AM OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD.
THANK YOU, MR. FRAZIER. DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES, MADAM CHAIRMAN.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I GUESS I'M CONFUSED.
YES, SIR. THAT PROPERTY IS ALREADY ADJACENT TO INDUSTRIAL ACROSS ON THE OTHER SIDE.
SO THE CITY SAYING THAT THAT SHOULD BE MAINTAINED AS INDUSTRIAL.
COMMERCIAL? RIGHT. OR SURROUNDED BY INDUSTRIAL.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE MAINTAINING IS THAT COMMERCIAL REMAINING, KEEPING IT AS COMMERCIAL INSTEAD OF CHANGING IT TO NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, WHICH WOULD REALLY BE DEVELOPED FOR MULTIFAMILY, IS INCONSISTENT WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES. MR..
WOULD THAT NOT BE CONSIDERED COMMERCIAL? YES, SIR. I'M SORRY.
COULDN'T THAT BE SHEPHERDED OUT? YES, SIR. IT ACTUALLY IS ALLOWED IN THE COMMERCIAL ZONING.
SO THE HOTEL IS AN APPROPRIATE USE AND DEVELOPMENT IN THE COMMERCIAL ZONING.
AND BUT IT'S ALSO ALLOWED WITHIN NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL.
SO I'M, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE RECOMMENDATION INCLUDES.
WELL, IT INCLUDES NOT CHANGING THE LAND USE FROM COMMERCIAL TO NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL.
IF IT REMAINS COMMERCIAL, IT COULD STILL HAVE A HOTEL.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, WILL THE APPLICANT OR THE REPRESENTATIVE PLEASE APPROACH THE MICROPHONE? GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JAMES GARBARSKI.
I'M WITH THE PALM BAY DEVELOPMENT GROUP.
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I'M THE OPERATIONS MANAGER FOR THE US TERRITORY OWNED BY CEPSA GROUP, WHICH IS THE COMPANY THAT OWNS PALM BAY DEVELOPMENT GROUP.WE HAVE KIM RZONCA HERE TODAY REPRESENTING US FROM OUR LEGAL COUNSEL.
SO. A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND OF WHO IS CIPSA HAS BEEN AROUND ABOUT 45 YEARS.
ITS ROOTS ARE IN CORDOBA, ARGENTINA.
SPECIALIZING PRIMARILY IN EVERYTHING THAT'S RESIDENTIAL REAL ESTATE.
THEY'RE THE LARGEST BUILDER CURRENTLY IN ARGENTINA, DOING MULTIFAMILY.
AND THEY DEDICATE THEMSELVES TO THE MIDDLE MARKET, RESIDENTIAL HOMES.
19,000 ACTIVE CLIENTS AND OVER 100 PROJECTS, 26 CURRENTLY UNDERGOING AND EMPLOYING INDIRECTLY OVER 3700 PEOPLE AND CONSTANTLY GROWING.
THEY'RE CURRENTLY IN ARGENTINA, PARAGUAY, PANAMA, BRAZIL AND ISRAEL.
AND NOW WE'RE TRYING TO OPEN UP THE US MARKETS HERE.
STRONG BACKING, RESIDENTIAL EXPERIENCE.
AND WE'RE DELIVER A QUALITY PRODUCT.
WE LIKE TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY.
AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN DO THAT HERE WITH YOU GUYS TODAY FOR THIS PROJECT.
I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S TIME.
I'M GOING TO HAND THIS OVER TO KIM.
IS THAT YOUR PHONE? THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN JORDAN, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING AND A LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY.
I'M WITH THE LAW FIRM OF LACY LYON AND THE ROCKLEDGE OFFICE.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF PALM BAY DEVELOPMENT GROUP, LLC.
I REALIZE THIS IS A TWO PART HEARING, AND WE'VE USUALLY DONE THEM TOGETHER.
AND SO I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PRESENTATION AND THEN INCORPORATE IT LATER.
SHOULD WE GET THAT FAR? SO FIRST WHAT I HAVE, MISS FRAZIER DID GO OVER THE BASIC POINTS OF IT I HAVE FOR YOU. THE.
AND ALSO THE ANALYSIS THAT MR. JIM MCKNIGHT, OUR PLANNING CONSULTANT, PREPARED.
IT'S IN YOUR PACKAGE, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO GO OVER FOR THE COMP PLAN BECAUSE IT CONTRADICTS MANY OF THINGS THAT MRS. FRAZIER HAS SAID.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE PROVIDED THAT TO YOU.
SO THE PROJECT NAME IS PALM BAY SUITES AND RESIDENCES.
AND THAT WAS SUGGESTED TO US BY ALEX BERNARD, YOUR FORMER GROWTH MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE UNDER NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER.
SO WITH THAT BASIS, WE'VE COME FORWARD.
WE'VE COMPLIED WITH YOUR COMP PLAN.
SO, MR. GRABOWSKI HAS TALKED ABOUT THE COMPANY.
THAT'S THE AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROJECT, LOOKING FROM EAST TO WEST.
THE STATEMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE THAT THIS IS A HIGH INTENSITY INDUSTRIAL USE AREA.
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IT'S NOT.IF YOU'VE BEEN DOWN THERE, YOU HAVE PALM BAY COLONIES.
THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME.
IT'S A 90 ACRES, 572 MOBILE HOMES WITH AN AVERAGE DENSITY OF OVER SIX UNITS PER ACRE.
AND WHEN WE MET WITH THEM, THEY PREFER WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO, HAVING ANY COMMERCIAL.
THEY'VE ALREADY HAD COMPLAINTS WITH THE DOLLAR GENERAL THAT'S THERE, AND THEY'VE GOT THE DOLLAR GENERAL PEOPLE RUNNING THROUGH THEIR PROPERTIES TRYING TO GET TO LIPSCOMB, AND THEY DON'T WANT MORE COMMERCIAL NEXT TO THEIR PROJECT.
THERE MAY BE SOME HERE TONIGHT.
IF NOT, YOU DID SEE THE COMMUNITY REPORT.
THEY'RE GOING INTO THE EAST TO THE, EAST ON THE NORTH END FROM THE NORTH PARCEL.
THEN AS YOU'RE GOING DOWN, YOU HAVE, SOME INTERIOR OFFICE SPACE, YOU HAVE A LIFT COMPANY, MANUFACTURING COMPANY, AND THEN YOU GO ALL THE WAY TO THE SOUTH AND YOU HAVE MINI STORAGE.
IT'S ALL LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL FOR THE MOST PART.
SO THIS IS NOT AN INDUSTRIAL AREA.
IT MAY BE INTENDED TO BE, BUT IT'S NOT.
THAT'S THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
IT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE COMMERCIAL IS OUT OF PLACE THAT CLOSE TO BASICALLY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, EVEN THOUGH IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH PER YOUR COMP PLAN, IS UP TO TEN UNITS TO THE ACRE.
OUR DENSITY IS GOING TO AVERAGE AT 11 UNITS TO THE ACRE.
THAT'S NOT A NORMAL TRANSITION.
THAT'S ALSO IN YOUR FACTORS OF ANALYSIS THAT WAS PREPARED BY MR. MCKNIGHT. YOU DO HAVE INDUSTRIAL TO THE SOUTH.
THE I THINK IT'S CALLED RENAISSANCE.
THERE'S A LARGE WETLAND THAT GOES FROM THE RENAISSANCE PROPERTY ONTO OUR PROPERTY.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF INDUSTRIAL TO THE EAST AND TO THE.
SOUTH, AND MUCH OF IT IS VACANT.
THE PURPOSES OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER.
FLUE AMENDMENT PROVIDES FOR MIXED USE WITH HOTELS, RESTAURANTS AND BARS, MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
AND THERE'S A DOLLAR GENERAL ALREADY ON ONE OF THE PARCELS.
IT'S AN APPROPRIATE STEP DOWN IN ZONING TO AN INDUSTRIAL, COMMERCIAL AND THE ROADWAYS.
THE ECONOMIC REALITY IS THAT PEOPLE AREN'T BUYING COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
THEY'RE NOT BUILDING COMMERCIAL PROPERTY BECAUSE OF E-COMMERCE, THE PANDEMIC, HOME DELIVERY.
WORK FROM HOME AND REDUCING THE NEED FOR COMMERCIAL SPACE.
MIXED USE PROJECT WILL PROVIDE SUSTAINABLE AND SUCCESSFUL COMMUNITIES.
PALM BAY AREA CURRENTLY HAS A 95% OCCUPANCY RATE, WHICH IS HIGHER THAN THE AVERAGE.
THIS IS PART OF WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU.
PARCELS ONE AND TWO, STARTING FROM THE SOUTH.
YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT SAYS ZOOM IN.
THAT'S ALL WETLANDS. THAT'S 3.3 ACRES OF WETLANDS.
THAT'S TAKING UP A GOOD PORTION OF THAT ENTIRE PARCEL.
THAT ENTIRE PARCEL IS ONLY 6.2 ACRES, SO IT'S TAKING UP MORE THAN HALF OF IT.
THOSE ARE 141 UNITS OF APARTMENTS, AND IT HAS AMENITIES ON IT AS WELL.
THAT'S NOT WHAT I WANTED TO DO, I APOLOGIZE.
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ALSO, IT HAS A RESTAURANT OF 1700 SQUARE FEET.IT'S A PRE-FUNCTION SPACE OF 1700 AND ACTUALLY CAN ACCESS OUT TO THE POOL, WHICH HAS OTHER AREAS.
AND THIS IS THE CONFERENCE ROOM LOOKING OUT.
PARCELS THREE AND FOUR AGAIN, MOVING FROM SOUTH TO NORTH.
PARCEL THREE HAS 102 UNITS APARTMENTS AND A PARCEL NUMBER FOUR HAS 51 UNITS.
THOSE ARE ALL WETLANDS THAT AREN'T GOING TO BE TOUCHED.
THEY'LL BE WALKING TRAILS AROUND THEM, BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE IMPACTED EXCEPT AS NECESSARY.
THIS IS THE HOTEL LANDSCAPE DESIGN.
YOU CAN SEE THE OUTDOOR AREA THAT COULD BE USED FOR FUNCTIONS AS WELL AS AMENITIES FOR THE HOTEL.
THERE'S WALKWAYS BETWEEN THEM AND WALKWAYS AMONG THE ROADS TO MAKE IT SAFER.
AGAIN, JUST MORE LANDSCAPE DESIGN.
AND IT'S INTENDED THAT, PALM BAY GROUP AND ITS PARENT COMPANY WILL MAINTAIN ALL OF THESE PARCELS.
IT'S GOING TO BE UNDER JOINT OWNERSHIP.
SO THERE'S THE REAR ELEVATION OF THE HOTEL.
THAT'S WHAT PALM BAY COLONY WILL BE LOOKING AT.
HERE'S THE RESIDENTIAL FRONT ELEVATION.
AND THEN THAT'S OVERLOOKING THE WETLANDS THAT WILL BE, RESIDENTIAL, FACING WEST.
THE PURPOSE FOR NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER IS TO PROVIDE A MIX OF USES, IN THIS CASE INTENDED TO PROVIDE HOTEL ROOMS AND APARTMENTS BASED UPON $100 MILLION TOTAL DEVELOPMENT AND ANNUAL CONTRIBUTION AND TAX REVENUE TO THE CITY BE APPROXIMATELY $792,500.
IMPACT FEES WILL ALSO BE PAID, AS YOU'RE WELL AWARE.
SO? SO I'M LOOKING AT WHAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU.
THIS IS FOR THE PDP, THE LARGE DIAGRAM.
JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THE THE 26.5 ACRES, THE AVERAGE DENSITY IS 11.14.
AND IF YOU AVERAGE JUST THE THREE RESIDENTIAL, IT'S 14.48.
SO IT'S AN AVERAGE OF 15 UNITS TO THE ACRE.
EACH OF THESE ARE MORE IN DETAIL.
STAVROS CAN EXPLAIN ANY OF THE ENGINEERING IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.
IF WE GET TO THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE FACTORS OF ANALYSIS THAT WERE PROVIDED TO YOU WHEN I HANDED THAT OUT, I WANT TO, SPECIFICALLY.
TALK ABOUT THE FACTORS THAT MISS FRAZIER HAS SAID THAT WE MAY NOT MEET.
AND THAT'S AT THE BOTTOM OF THE FIRST PAGE.
THE STAFF REPORT SAYS THE APPLICANT MAKES A COMPELLING ARGUMENT.
THESE PROPERTIES ARE LOCATED NEAR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND PROVIDES A JOB BASED OPPORTUNITY.
AS STATED IN D, THERE IS A A LOW MULTIFAMILY VACANCY RATE.
AND THIS OFFERS REASONABLE ACCESS TO THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY.
MISS FRAZIER TALKS ABOUT THE COMP PLAN, STATING THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE ENOUGH FUTURE LAND USE WITH RESIDENTIAL OR THAT CAN HAVE RESIDENTIAL THAT IS NOT IN YOUR COMP PLAN.
THAT'S NOT A POLICY AND OUR OBJECTIVE OR A GOAL.
IN FACT, YOUR COMP PLAN STATES THAT YOU SHOULD INDEED HAVE A VARIETY OF HOUSING OPPORTUNITY.
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IT SAYS THE TYPICAL USES A NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERS, A RANGE OF HOUSING TYPES COMMERCIAL, OFFICE, RECREATIONAL AND INSTITUTIONAL USE.IT DOESN'T SAY YOU HAVE TO HAVE THEM ALL.
FUTURE LAND USE POLICY 1.2 TO ENSURE COMPATIBILITY BETWEEN USES, PROTECT NATURAL RESOURCES, CONTINUE TO ACCOMMODATE AND RECOGNIZE PUDS WITHIN THE LDC.
WE ARE FULLY COMPLIANT WITH YOUR FUTURE LAND USE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO THERE IS GOING TO BE SOME OF THAT THAT HAPPENS.
YOU CAN'T PROJECT 21 YEARS OUT AS TO WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE.
THE OTHER, THE OTHER ISSUE SHE HAS MENTIONED IS YOUR YOUR SUSTAINABILITY PLAN.
AND THE RENAISSANCE BUSINESS CORRIDOR.
I HAVE ANOTHER HANDOUT FOR YOU.
I BELIEVE IT'S A BUSINESS PLAN.
SUSTAINABILITY PLAN? I KNOW THAT MISS BUNDT DID WHEN SHE FIRST GOT HERE.
I HAPPEN TO SIT THROUGH THAT PRESENTATION.
THE PART THAT'S IN WHITE TO THE NORTH OF THE BIG GRAY BLOCK.
THIS THIS LAND WAS SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDED FROM THIS CORRIDOR.
IT DOES HAVE RYNARCICE, AND IT DOES HAVE EVERYTHING ON THE EAST SIDE OF ROBERT J.
CONLON. BUT THIS PROPERTY IS NOT IN THIS PLAN.
THE REST OF THE STAFF REPORT, OTHER THAN THOSE TWO ISSUES, SEEMS TO BE FAVORABLE.
IN FACT, WHEN I GOT TO THE END, I WAS A LITTLE BIT SURPRISED.
SO WHEN I GOT TO THE END AND SAID IT WAS NOT RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL, WAS A SOMEWHAT SOMEWHAT SURPRISING, AGAIN, EVERY OTHER ONE OF THESE WE'VE SUPPLIED ANALYSIS, THE RESPONSE FROM STAFF HAS BEEN MAY COULD POSSIBLE, BUT WE HAVE MET EVERY ELEMENT OF YOUR COMP PLAN AMENDMENT, ESPECIALLY YOUR HOUSING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT THAT, AGAIN, SAYS TO PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES TO DIVERSIFY THE TYPE OF PRICE POINTS AND LOCATION OF HOUSING CHOICES WITHIN THE CITY.
THERE'S NOT A NOT A LOT OF NEW HOUSING IN THIS AREA.
WE BELIEVE THIS MAKES SENSE HERE.
WE BELIEVE IT'S A MUCH BETTER TRANSITION THAN STRAIGHT TO COMMERCIAL.
AND WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU APPROVE THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.
SMALL SCALE FOR NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER FROM COMMERCIAL.
THIS BOARD. HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU. I DO.
OKAY. MR. WARNER. JUST, YOU REALLY POINTED OUT THE, FOR FOR THE PRESENTATION.
AS FAR AS THE RESIDENT RESIDENTIAL PART OF THIS, IN YOUR PACKET, YOU HAVE YOU HAD, HAD BROUGHT UP AND STATED ADEQUATE HOUSING.
JUST GIVE ME A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT THE ADEQUATE HOUSING MEAN.
I KNOW THAT FOR SOME IT MEANS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
FOR SOME IT MEANS, LUXURY, LUXURY APARTMENTS.
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WILL HAVE A LOWER RATE, AND THERE WILL BE A NUMBER SET ASIDE FOR THEM THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE COMMUNITY ON A FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE BASIS.SO IT'S MORE OF AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO FIND HOUSING IN THIS AREA ON THIS SIDE OF TOWN.
THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT FROM THE BOARD? OKAY. SEEING NONE. THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST? ANY OPPOSED? OH, I'M SORRY, MR. BRENNAN. THE.
BILL BATTEN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.
I WAS IN A LITTLE BIT OF TURMOIL ON THIS WHEN EITHER FOR OR AGAINST, BUT I DID APPRECIATE THE FACT OF LOOKING AT THE HOTEL AND WITH THE FACT OF THE CONFERENCE CAPABILITIES WITHIN THE HOTEL.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY DRASTICALLY NEEDS.
IT WAS THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPOTS FOR THE HOTEL WAS THE SAME NUMBER OF ROOMS. SO IF YOU'RE HAVING A CONFERENCE AND YOUR HOTEL IS FULL AND YOU WANT TO BRING THE PUBLIC IN, THE PARKING WAS, BY MY STANDARD WAS INADEQUATE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.
BUT OVERALL FOR THE HOTEL, I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF IT.
FOR THE OTHER SIDE OF IT, I'M NOT.
SO THAT'S GOING TO MAKE IT HARDER ON YOU TO MAKE A DECISION.
BUT WE DEFINITELY NEED THE HOTEL WITH THE ABILITY FOR CONFERENCE.
ANYONE ELSE FROM THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK, SIR? GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS KEVIN RYAN.
I LIVE AT 1879 SEAGRAVE STREET AND I AM RIGHT THERE.
NEIGHBORS ON, THE, PALM BAY COLONY SIDE.
I AM PART OF THE HOA OF PALM BAY COLONY.
SO I KNOW I SPEAK TO A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.
OUR BIGGEST CONCERNS IS TRAFFIC, WHICH THIS IS A 55 AND OLDER COMMUNITY.
A LOT OF THE ON THE YOUNG GUY.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF OLDER PEOPLE WALKING ON BIKES, GOLF CARTS, WALKING DOGS.
PEOPLE CUTTING THROUGH LIPSCOMB TO COUNCILMAN.
AND SOONER OR LATER SOMEONE'S GOING TO GET HIT.
AND I THINK THIS HAS GOT TO WITHOUT ANY KIND OF GOOD CONTROL, MAKE THIS WORSE.
THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD IS THE, PROPOSED FOUR STORY APARTMENT BUILDINGS SEEM TO US TO BE A LITTLE EXCESSIVE, ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT ARE RIGHT ON THE BOUNDARY OF PALM BAY COLONY.
SOME ARE SET CLOSER TO COUNCILMAN, SOME ARE MORE TOWARDS THE COMMUNITY ITSELF.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE FEELING, THE FOUR STORIES LOOK RIGHT INTO OUR BACKYARDS.
THAT'S BASICALLY ALL I HAVE RIGHT NOW.
DID YOU FILL OUT A COMMENT CARD? I BEG YOUR PARDON? YOU NEED TO FILL OUT A COMMENT CARD AND BRING IT BACK, PLEASE.
THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE FROM THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK? SEEING NONE WITH THE APPLICANT.
WOULD YOU TAKE ME DOWN? WELL, I CAN ACTUALLY USE IT FROM THE 11 BY 17 YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU.
REGARDING, I BELIEVE IT'S MR. RYAN. KEVIN, THE MAN THAT JUST SPOKE.
ACTUALLY IT'S BETTER ON ON THE DIAGRAM YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU.
AGAIN, THESE ARE THINGS THAT WOULD BE DONE DURING DESIGN.
THOSE BUILDINGS ARE IN THE MIDDLE.
THEY'RE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO PALM BAY COLONY.
AND THEN THE HOTEL IS EVEN FURTHER TO THE EAST.
AS TO THE TRAFFIC, IT'S ANTICIPATED THAT THE TRAFFIC WAS ALL GOING TO ROBERT CONLON.
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COLONY. THAT'S THAT'S NOT THE INTENT.AND I WENT AROUND AND WENT UP IN UNIVERSITY, WHICH WASN'T THE BEST EXPERIENCE.
BUT, SO, YEAH, SO WE'RE COGNIZANT OF OF THEIR CONCERNS.
AGAIN, WE HAD OVER 40 PEOPLE AT OUR MEETING, AND FOR MOST PART, MOST OF THEM SEEM HAPPIER WITH THIS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
AND I'D ASK FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.
THANK YOU. THE FLOOR IS NOW CLOSED FOR PUBLIC.
SORRY. THE FLOOR IS NOW CLOSED FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS AND THE CASE IS BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD.
BOARD? AFTER HEARING THE EVIDENCE, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR MOTION? YEAH. MR. WEINBERG. YEAH, A COUPLE OF THINGS.
BUT AS FAR AS THE THE NORTHERN PARCEL WITH THE THREE APARTMENT BUILDINGS, I THINK THERE'S REALLY EXTENSIVE SEPARATION WITH THE WITH THE DRY RETENTION AND THE AND THE, THE WETLANDS AS FAR AS THE, THE ONLY BUILDING THAT REALLY IS CLOSEST TO TO, TO PALM BAY COLONY IS BUILDING THREE B AND THAT HAS A NORTH SOUTH ORIENTATION. SO PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO BE LOOKING OVER INTO INTO THE MOBILE HOME PARK.
THIS OBVIOUSLY, THIS PARCEL HAS BEEN VACANT FOR A YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS.
SO, MOTION TO APPROVE CP 23 000 20.
GOOD. YOU WANT TO SPEAK FIRST? I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A GENERAL A GENERAL COMMENT FOR DISCUSSION FOR US TO TO TALK ABOUT.
OKAY. DO I HAVE A SECOND ON THE MOTION? SECOND. MISS MCLEOD SECOND.
AND SO MY POINT OF DISCUSSION IS WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THESE FUTURE.
WE'VE HAD ALL THESE WORKSHOPS, FUTURE LAND USE PLANS.
WE'VE AND ONE OF THE THE OR SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED BACK WERE THE CONCERN FROM OUR RESIDENTS OF LOSING OUR COMMERCIAL THAT WE HAVE TWO MULTIFAMILY.
WE'VE, WE'VE WE'VE HAD SEVERAL OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
AND SO JUST A GENERAL DISCUSSION, OTHER BOARD MEMBERS, IF THEY, YOU KNOW, THEIR THEIR OPINIONS, WE KNOW THE OPINIONS OF THE FIRST AND THE SECOND, BUT ANYONE WHO HAS ANY ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? I'D LIKE TO I'D LIKE TO HEAR IT.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD.
WELL, I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH MR. WEINBERG. OKAY.
MR.. WELL, WELL, I JUST, I JUST, I JUST FEEL AS THOUGH THAT, I LOOKED AT ALL OF THE READ, ALL THE STAFF, RECOMMENDATIONS AND, I MIGHT HAVE TO SAY THAT I ALIGNED A LOT WITH, WITH STAFF.
POINT OUT I'M ALL FOR THE HOTEL AND, AND AND, SO I WOULD, I WOULD, I COULD NOT SUPPORT THE MOTION THAT'S ON THE, THAT'S ON THE TABLE. THAT'S ON THE FLOOR RIGHT NOW.
BASED ON THE, AFTER READING A LOT OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE PUT IN FOR STAFF.
BECAUSE THE COMMENT, AGAIN, WAS ABOUT THE ADEQUATE HOUSING.
AND WE ALWAYS RUN INTO THIS SITUATION WHERE, WHERE WE START OFF WITH, PUTTING APARTMENT BUILDINGS UP AND PUTTING THESE HOUSES UP, BUT THEN IT IT BECOMES A MARKET RATE THING, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S NO LONGER AFFORDABLE OR IT'S NO LONGER ACCESSIBLE TO THE, TO THE RESIDENTS.
SO, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE 5050, BUT I WOULD HAVE TO ALIGN WITH WITH THIS WITH THIS WITH THE STAFF HAS ALREADY, PUT OUT THERE AND NOT RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YES, MADAM CHAIR.
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MR. BERMAN, I KNOW THERE WAS A COMMENT MADE THAT WE CAN'T LOOK 21 YEARS IN THE FUTURE, BUT IF WE DON'T TAKE CARE OF THE PRESENT TIME RIGHT NOW, THEY WON'T HAVE A CHANCE TO CHANGE ANYTHING.YEAH. I HAVE A LOT OF TROUBLE WITH, THE EXISTING, ADDITION OF APARTMENTS.
THAT'S STILL CURRENTLY HAPPENING.
THE THE AQUA APARTMENTS, AS THEY'RE CALLED.
I DON'T SEE RESIDENTIAL IN THIS EXACT CORRIDOR, IN THIS EXACT SPOT AS THE, AS THE BEST FIT AS WE CONTINUE TO TRY TO GROW OUR COMMERCIAL PRESENCE. AND THAT IS OUR ONE OF OUR ONLY INDUSTRIAL AREAS, THE KIRBY CIRCLE AREA.
IN THE ENTIRE CITY AND EVEN IN THE AQUA APARTMENTS THAT ARE FURTHER UP THE ROAD THERE, THERE'S BEEN TROUBLES AND THOUGHTS WITH BEING NEAR AND TOO CLOSE TO INDUSTRIALS AND CHEMICAL PLANTS AND THINGS OF THE SORT.
SO I JUST REALLY DON'T WANT TO CRAM ANY MORE HOUSING INTO WHEN YOU ASK PALM BAY, WHAT'S THE COMMERCIAL AREA? AND EVERYONE'S GOING TO TELL YOU RJ COLEMAN SO I WILL BE AGAINST THIS TODAY.
THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR? I. A TWO IN FAVOR.
MR. ATTORNEY, SINCE THIS HAS BEEN DENIED, DO WE HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER MOTION? YES, MA'AM. WE DO. WE NEED TO RECOMMEND SOMETHING.
WE'VE HAD THIS COME UP ON A PREVIOUS CASE.
THE MATTER WILL GO UP TO THE CITY COUNCIL WITHOUT A RECOMMENDATION.
I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO FORMALLY RENDER A MOTION TO DENY.
SO WE CAN JUST HAVE A FORMAL OPPOSITE VOTE.
BUT THERE WAS A MOTION TO TO ADOPT IT.
RIGHT WOULD MOVE UP TO CITY COUNCIL TO VOTE WITH THE RECOMMENDATION FAILED BY A VOTE OF.
I CAN'T REMEMBER THE TWO TO WHATEVER IT WAS THE TWO FIVE.
26. OKAY, SO WE DON'T NEED A MOTION.
THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR THEN TO DENY THIS CASE.
OKAY. THE MOTION IS ON THE FLOOR.
THEN THAT MOTION WILL REQUIRE A SECOND.
OKAY. DO I HAVE A SECOND ON THE MOTION TO DENY THIS CASE? I'LL SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NAY. OKAY.
MOTION CARRIES TO DENY THE CASE.
YEAH. MR. CHAIR, THERE'S JUST ONE OTHER COMMENT I WANT TO ADD.
SO ALONG, BUT, THAT COMMERCIAL WAS NEVER DEVELOPED BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T GET ANY BUSINESSES INTERESTED IN GOING IN THERE AND AND INVESTING IN COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THERE.
SO IT'S BEEN VACANT FOR YEARS, EVER SINCE AQUA WAS BUILT.
NEXT CASE. SO WE DON'T HAVE TO HEAR THE NEXT ONE.
WELL NO. BUT YEAH. SO YOU SHOULD SAY THAT OKAY.
THE NEXT CASE P D 2308 WILL NOT BE HEARD.
MADAM CHAIR, YES, WE RECOMMEND THAT IT BE REMOVED FROM THE AGENDA AT THIS POINT.
OKAY. HOWEVER, THIS IS GOING TO BE MOVED UP TO CITY COUNCIL.
AND IF THEY RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE SITE PLAN OR I'M SORRY, OF THE LAND USE CHANGE, WILL THEY THEN HAVE TO TALK ABOUT PD? OH NO, THIS GENTLEMAN IS STILL HERE.
WHAT DO YOU THINK, MICHAEL? LISA, IF WE DIDN'T FAIL TO APPROVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGE, WE CANNOT APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN BECAUSE IT DOESN'T EXIST. IN ESSENCE, SINCE WE DIDN'T APPROVE THE CONFERENCE.
THAT IS CORRECT. SO IT'S IT'S A MOOT POINT.
RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE INCONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
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IT WILL NOT BE HEARD. OKAY.THE NEXT CASE PD 23 0005 PALM BAY POINT WEST.
GO AHEAD. GOOD EVENING, KIMBERLY HAGLER, SENIOR PLANNER.
THE APPLICANT IS PALM BAY POINT WEST KIMIA, REPRESENTED BY JAKE WISE.
THE EXISTING ZONING IS PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT AND THE SIZE IS APPROXIMATELY 84.75 ACRES.
MULTIPLE MULTIPLE FAMILY COMPLEX.
AND WITH 16 ADJACENT COMMERCIAL PARCELS, WHICH TOTAL 41 ACRES.
CONCURRENTLY, AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE OF A 27.72 ACRE TRACT FROM COMMERCIAL TO NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER THAT CP 23 00012.
THE PUD ZONING SETS A MAXIMUM BUILDING LENGTH OF 200FT, AND APPROVAL OF PD 23 0005 WILL ALSO BE AN APPROVAL FOR THE PROPOSED 100 FOOT INCREASE IN BUILDING LENGTH.
THE PLACEMENT OF THE PROPOSED MULTIFAMILY UNITS ABUT THE COMMERCIAL SITES TO THE EAST ON BABCOCK STREET, SUPPORTING THE CREATION OF A WALKABLE COMMUNITY WITH A NETWORK OF SIDEWALKS AND PATHS.
PD 23 0005 IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL, SUBJECT TO THE STAFF COMMENTS CONTAINED IN STAFF REPORT.
THANK YOU. DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU. SINGER.
MR. ROGERS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME AND PRESENT? THANK YOU. JAKE.
WHY? CIVIL ENGINEER FOR THE PROJECT.
BUSINESS ADDRESS IS 2651 WEST EAU GALLIE BOULEVARD IN MELBOURNE.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE FIVE AGENDA ITEMS CONSECUTIVELY COMING UP, AND IT'S FOR TWO PROJECTS CALLED PALM BAY POINT WEST, WHICH BASICALLY BABCOCK STREET IS THE DIVIDING LINE IN SOUTHEAST PALM BAY, AND PALM BAY POINT EAST, WHICH IS DIRECTLY TO THE EAST OF BABCOCK STREET.
SO IT'S ALL ONE APPLICANT, ALL ONE MASTER PLAN PROJECT.
AND RATHER THAN COME UP HERE FIVE TIMES AND GIVE THE SAME PRESENTATION FIVE TIMES TO SAVE EVERYONE'S TIME AND BE RESPECTFUL, WE'D JUST LIKE TO GIVE ONE KIND OF OVERALL PRESENTATION FOR ALL FIVE OF THE APPLICATIONS.
WE HAVE A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION.
SORRY, A LITTLE TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES HERE.
YOU HAVE SEEN US HERE MANY, MANY TIMES OVER THE YEARS FOR BOTH OF THOSE PROJECTS.
SO THIS IS BASICALLY PROJECT HAS BEEN THREE YEARS IN THE MAKING.
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RESIDENTIAL.BUT OVERALL, IT'S A MOSTLY COMMERCIAL PROJECT.
WE HAVE THE PUD ZONING ALREADY IN PLACE, BUT WE'RE LOOKING FOR JUST, A SMALL PORTION OF THIS OVERALL COMMERCIAL PROJECT, MIXED USE PROJECT, TO HAVE THAT. SO WE HAVE BEFORE YOU A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR BOTH EAST AND WEST.
SO THAT'S FOUR OF THE AGENDA ITEMS. AND THE FIFTH ONE IS THAT FUTURE LAND USE CHANGE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER.
SO, OUR PROJECT GOAL IS TO MAKE THE COMMERCIAL SUCCESSFUL.
WHEN THIS WAS ORIGINALLY DEVELOPED, NO ONE HAD HEARD OF COVID.
NOBODY HAD SEEN WHAT THE AMAZON EFFECT WAS GOING TO DO TO COMMERCIAL.
BACK THEN, WE HAD BEST BUY AND LOWE'S, BED BATH AND BEYOND, WHO'S COMPLETELY IN BANKRUPTCY NOW.
THEY'RE JUST NOT IN THE CURRENT MARKET.
SO WHAT WE'RE SEEING TIME AND TIME AGAIN, AND I KNOW THIS BOARD HAS SEEN IT AS WELL, AND WE'VE SEEN IT BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL IN OTHER PARTS OF BREVARD COUNTY, OTHER PARTS OF FLORIDA.
THIS DEVELOPER HAS BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL WITH WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING TODAY.
AND THAT IS THOSE MARKET RATE APARTMENTS, WHICH ARE, HIGH END, LOTS OF AMENITIES, VERY ATTRACTIVE.
THE WALKABLE, LIVE HERE, PLAY HERE COMMUNITY SO THAT THEY CAN BE THERE TO SUPPORT THE COMMERCIAL.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING TONIGHT FOR YOU.
THE RESIDENTIAL GROWTH, THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES OUT THERE HAS BEEN VERY GOOD, VERY POSITIVE, BUT IT'S JUST NOT ATTRACTING AND MAKING THE COMMERCIAL SUCCESSFUL YET.
PUBLIX, AS HIS BOARD KNOWS AND REVIEWED, IS STARTING TO COME UP OUT OF THE GROUND.
AND THEY'RE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS BECAUSE THEY KNOW FOR THEM AND THEIR OUTPARCELS TO BE SUCCESSFUL, THAT THIS TYPE OF PROJECT WOULD BE JUST, WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL? SO IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
YOU SEE ALL THAT SALMON COLOR UP THERE.
SO YOU'VE GOT BABCOCK STREET RUNNING NORTH SOUTH DOWN THE MIDDLE, SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY EAST WEST TOWARDS THE BOTTOM ON ALL SIDES OF BABCOCK STREET IS THAT SALMON COLOR? THAT'S ALL COMMERCIAL ON BOTH SIDES OF THE PARKWAY.
WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS 159 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL.
NOW, MIND YOU, THIS IS JUST TO THE WEST OF EMERALD LAKES.
EMERALD LAKES IS PERMITTED OVER 2,000,000FT² OF COMMERCIAL AND IT HAS THE VISIBILITY FROM I-95.
THESE TWO PROJECTS, WATERSTONE AND CYPRESS BAY PRESERVE, HAVE 2700 SINGLE FAMILY UNITS APPROVED.
ZERO MULTIFAMILY IS THAT ONE MORE TIME, 2700 SINGLE FAMILY UNITS AND ZERO MULTIFAMILY WAS APPROVED.
AND IN THIS MARKET, MULTIFAMILY IS WHAT WE'RE SEEING, BEING BY FAR THE MOST DESIRABLE OVER AND OVER AGAIN, WE'RE SEEING THAT, SO OUR COMP PLAN AMENDMENT OF THE 159 ACRES IS ASKING FOR JUST 27 APPROXIMATELY ACRES OF IT TO HAVE THE FUTURE LAND USE CHANGE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER, TO BE THAT CATALYST FOR THE FOR THE COMMERCIAL TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
IF WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO PALM BAY POINT EAST IS JUST AGAIN EAST OF BABCOCK STREET.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS THE PARKWAY WITH THE PUBLIX THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER AND ALL THAT SALMON IS THE COMMERCIAL FOR PALM BAY EAST, AND WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY CHANGES AT ALL TO THAT PORTION OF IT.
IF YOU GO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.
PALM BAY, POINT WEST, THIS IS AGAIN NORTH IS TO THE RIGHT.
BABCOCK STREET IS ALONG THE BOTTOM.
THE PARKWAY IS RUNNING TO THE FAR LEFT.
ALL OF THE FRONTAGE IS COMMERCIAL.
ALL OF IT. AND AGAIN, WE'RE JUST NOT SEEING THOSE BIG BOXES STORES COMING IN THAT WOULD IN THE PAST HAVE BEEN TOWARDS THE BACK OF THAT DEEP, DEEP COMMERCIAL.
SO I MENTIONED EARLIER, THIS HAS BEEN THREE YEARS IN THE MAKING.
THIS BOARD PREVIOUSLY APPROVED THE PROJECT.
SO WHAT'S DIFFERENT NOW THAN WHAT WE, BROUGHT BEFORE YOU?
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BEFORE? WHAT'S DIFFERENT NOW IS THAT THE FRONTAGE ALONG THE PARKWAY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PARKWAY THAT USED TO BE PART OF THE APARTMENT PROJECT.WE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR FROM MAYOR MEDINA, KENNY JOHNSON.
THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO SEE IS THAT COMMERCIAL ON THAT FRONTAGE.
AND SO WE PULLED BACK ON THE PROJECT.
WE WENT FROM 38 ACRES OF APARTMENTS TO 27, 11 ACRES LESS.
WE WENT FROM 760 UNITS TO 666 UNITS, 668 UNITS.
SO WE DID ALL THAT LISTENING TO WHAT COUNCIL TOLD US THAT THEY WANTED AGAIN, TO FIND A WAY TO STILL MAKE THE COMMERCIAL SUCCESSFUL, BUT TO GIVE THEM ALL THAT COMMERCIAL ALONG THE PARKWAY.
LOOK AT TRAFFIC, LOOK AT THE INTENSITY OF WHAT'S APPROVED TODAY.
RIGHT NOW WE COULD PUT ANY TYPE OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THERE.
IT'S PERMITTED FOR 80% IMPERVIOUS.
OUR APARTMENTS ARE AROUND 55% IMPERVIOUS, MUCH LESS INTENSE, MUCH MORE GREEN.
OUR TRAFFIC IS REDUCED BY 96% BASED ON THE POTENTIAL COMMERCIAL USES AND ON WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
SO THIS IS A RENDERING OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS A PROJECT THIS DEVELOPMENT TEAM HAS BUILT BEFORE.
THEY KNOW IT COULD BE SUCCESSFUL.
THEY KNOW IT WILL BE SUCCESSFUL HERE.
IT'S A VERY ATTRACTIVE ARCHITECTURE.
MARKET RATE, APARTMENTS, THE ARCHITECTURE, HAS THE BUILDING BROKEN UP, IN ALL DIFFERENT WAYS, SO IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE ONE LONG BUILDING.
AS STAFF MENTIONED, WE ARE REQUESTING THE LENGTH TO BE MORE THAN 200FT.
I BELIEVE THE 200FT IS IN THERE FOR TOWNHOMES NOT INTENDED FOR APARTMENT BUILDINGS.
I CAN'T THINK OF AN APARTMENT PROJECT I EVER DID THAT HAD LESS THAN 200 FOOT LONG BUILDINGS.
PUBLIX ACROSS THE STREET IS BIGGER.
YOU CAN SEE RIGHT THERE WHAT THE POOL AREA WOULD LOOK LIKE, DOG PARK, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO AGAIN, IT'S MUCH LESS INTENSE, MUCH MORE GREEN.
AND WE KNOW THAT THIS WILL BE SUCCESSFUL FOR THE COMMERCIAL.
SO WITH THAT, WE'LL BRING UP, JIM MCKNIGHT TO TALK MORE DETAILS ABOUT IT.
MY NAME IS JIM MCKNIGHT, AND I SERVED AS THE CITY MANAGER IN BREVARD COUNTY FOR 36 YEARS.
IT PROVIDES FOR A POSITIVE TRANSITION BUFFER BETWEEN CONFLICTING USES.
WILL PROVIDE A TRANSITION BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL AND THE SINGLE FAMILY.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER IS THE IDEAL FOR THIS MIXED USE PROJECT.
IN ADDITION, AS WILL BE SEEN THROUGH THE LANDSCAPE AND BUFFERING PLANS, THE PROPERTY WILL PROVIDE A MORE DESIRABLE LOOK FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD AS OPPOSED TO HAVING THE REAR OF COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS AS YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, COMPLETE WITH WALLS, GARBAGE CONTAINERS AND COMPACTORS AND DELIVERIES AT ANY TIME, DAY AND NIGHT.
AS PROPOSED ARE NOT SUCCESSFUL UNLESS THEY REMAIN IMMACULATE AND WELL MAINTAINED.
HOUSING OCCUPANCY RATES REMAIN HIGH IN PALM BAY, MAKING TRADITIONAL HOUSING UNATTAINABLE FOR MANY.
WHEN COMBINED WITH COMMERCIAL USES, THE MIXED USE BEST SERVES THE COMMUNITY.
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NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.COMMERCIAL SUPPLY IN THIS CASE WILL BE MET ON A REGIONAL BASIS WITH EMERALD LAKES AND ASHTON LAKES.
EVEN BAYSIDE LAKES IS STILL LESS THAN 50% DEVELOPED AS IT RELATES TO COMMERCIAL ACREAGE.
PALM BAY POINT, EAST AND WEST, AS PROPOSED WITH THE PUDS, WILL PROVIDE ONCE AGAIN 120 ACRES, 128 ACRES OF READY TO DEVELOP COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
ON AVERAGE, 50,000 PEOPLE ARE NEEDED TO SUPPORT A GROCERY SHOPPING CENTER.
WITH THE NEW PUBLIX MOVING TO BREAK GROUND ADJACENT TO PALM BAY POINT EAST, IT WILL PROVIDE A SECOND PUBLIX GROCERY CENTER WITH LESS THAN 50,000 PEOPLE IN THE TRADE AREA.
THE ECONOMIC STUDY, CONDUCTED BY ECONOMIST HANK FISHKIND.
HE CONCLUDED THAT PALM BAY POINT COMMERCIAL LAND WAS GREATER THAN COULD BE REASONABLY ABSORBED.
ONCE AGAIN VALIDATING THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL HOUSING OPTIONS SUCH AS THIS ONE INTEGRATED WITH A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT TO CREATE A TRUE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, THIS WILL JUMP START ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
THANK YOU. AND I WILL TURN IT OVER TO SUSAN.
I'M SUSAN HALL, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT.
OUR OFFICE IS LOCATED AT 244 MCLEOD STREET ON MERRITT ISLAND.
WE'RE PROPOSING TO LAY THE GROUNDWORK FOR A LONG TERM AND EFFECTIVE LANDSCAPE BUFFER.
THERE HAVE BEEN TWO NEIGHBORHOOD WORKSHOPS, AND WE'VE LISTENED TO OUR NEIGHBORS CONCERNS, WHICH WERE MAINLY THE HEIGHT OF THE TREES AND THE DENSITY OF THE BUFFER THAT THEY DESIRE.
WE DON'T NORMALLY SEE DEVELOPERS GOING TO THE EXTENT BEYOND WHAT IS REQUIRED.
SO I'M PLEASED TO SHOW YOU WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING.
THERE YOU GO. PERFECT. THANKS, LISA.
THIS GRAPH LAYS IT OUT CLEARLY.
THE TOP BAR GRAPH SHOWS THAT 71 TREES ARE REQUIRED UNDER THE THE CODE 35FT ON CENTER ALONG THIS WESTERN PROPERTY LINE, WHICH IS OVER 2400FT LONG.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM GRAPH, THE BOTTOM TWO BARS WE'RE PROPOSING MORE THAN TWO AND A HALF TIMES THAT AMOUNT IN THE DENSITY OF THE PLANTING, WITH TWO WITH 178 TREES AT MINIMUM.
AND WE ARE PROPOSING TO INCREASE THE SIZE OF THE TREES FROM FOUR FROM THE TEN FOOT MINIMUM TO TREES RANGING IN SIZE FROM 14FT TO 18FT IN HEIGHT.
AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'RE PROPOSING TO PLANT THE TREES ON, ABOVE ON A FOUR FOOT BURN.
ALL RIGHT. SO WE ARE VERY SENSITIVE TO THE FACT THAT THE RESIDENTS OF BOTH PROPERTIES WOULD PREFER PRIVACY FROM ONE ANOTHER AND VISUAL SEPARATION. IT GOES BOTH WAYS.
THIS PLAN SHOWS A DIVERSE AND DENSELY PLANTED BUFFER OF SLASH PINES, OAKS, UNDERSTORY TREES, PALMS, FLOWERING TREES AND A FEW TALL CLUMPING SPECIMENS OF BAMBOO IN SOME CRITICAL LOCATIONS, ALL PLANTED ON THE TERM WITH THE REQUIRED SIX FOOT OPAQUE FENCE.
THANKS. THIS IS A CROSS SECTION THAT WOULD THAT SHOWS WHAT CODE MINIMUM REQUIRES.
YOU'LL SEE A TEN FOOT TREE AND A SIX FOOT FENCE.
THOSE TREES ARE REQUIRED AT 35FT ON CENTER OR THE EQUIVALENT OF THAT.
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SHOWS WHAT CODE MINIMUM LOOKS LIKE IN AN EAST WEST DIRECTION.AT A FIVE YEAR TIME FROM PLANTING.
THIS ILLUSTRATES THAT FIVE YEARS AFTER PLANTING, THOSE TREES THAT ARE 14 TO 18FT ON THE BURN WILL BE IN THE RANGE OF 20 TO 30FT IN HEIGHT AND AT MATURITY WILL BE 40 TO 60FT IN HEIGHT.
WE REALLY DO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS DESIRED HERE BETWEEN THE TWO NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT TO BE SUCCESSFUL, THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO PLANT HEAVILY AND BEGIN WITH TALLER PLANT MATERIALS, WITH A WITH A GOAL OF CREATING THE PRIVACY THAT'S WANTED BY BOTH PROPERTIES.
AND WE ARE READY AND WILLING TO DO THAT.
IT IS SURREAL BEING BEFORE YOU HERE TODAY.
AND I'M SO APPRECIATIVE TO OUR TEAM AND TO STAFF FOR ALL THE WORK THAT THEY'VE PUT INTO THIS.
IT'S, IT'S EVERYONE'S IT'S MEANT TO BE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL.
IT'S MEANT TO SERVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU A CULMINATION OF OF FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE HEARD THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.
WE'VE BEEN MEETING WITH STAFF COUNTLESS TIMES.
COMMUNITY LEADERS, ENGINEERS, ARCHITECTS, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS, THE LIST GOES ON.
AND SO I HOPE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT YOU TAKE AWAY FROM THIS PRESENTATION, IT'S THAT WE HAVE LISTENED TO THE COMMUNITY AND WE'VE LISTENED TO THE CITY AND WE'VE LISTENED TO THOSE AROUND US. AND I HOPE THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT OUR PROJECT IS A REPRESENTATION OF THAT.
THAT'S MY BACKGROUND. THAT'S WHAT I DO.
THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON.
AND TO DO THIS, IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT WE GOT AN APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM ROW OF THE TABLE ON THE ON THE SCREEN, YOU'LL SEE THAT PALM VISTA HAS 67 RESIDENTIAL UNITS TO SUPPORT EACH COMMERCIAL ACRE WITHIN PALM VISTA.
AND THEN AS WE WORK OUR WAY RIGHT ON THE TABLE, YOU'LL SEE BAYSIDE LAKES HAS 30 RESIDENTIAL UNITS TO SUPPORT EACH COMMERCIAL ACRE, AND THE NUMBER IS STAGGERINGLY LOWER FOR WATERSTONE CYPRESS BAY.
IT'S CURRENTLY ABOUT 18 RESIDENTIAL UNITS TO SUPPORT EACH COMMERCIAL ACRE, AND WITH THE APPROVAL OF OUR MIXED USE PROJECT THAT 18 RESIDENTIAL UNITS TO SUPPORT EACH COMMERCIAL ACRE WOULD BECOME 26.
BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT TAKEAWAY IS THAT IN TODAY'S MARKET ENVIRONMENT, AND YOU'VE HEARD THIS TODAY BECAUSE OF THE AMAZON EFFECT, BECAUSE OF THE COVID EFFECT, BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE IN CONSUMER HABITS, THE AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL THAT'S DEVELOPED IN THIS PORTION OF PALM BAY, NOT JUST WATERSTONE, CYPRESS BAY, BUT EMERALD LAKES RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO US AND THE NEXT DOOR TO EMERALD LAKES ASHTON PARK.
WE'RE WE'RE IN AN INFERIOR LOCATION AND MORE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER MIXED USE PROJECT.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING FOR.
AND ACCORDING TO THE FISHKIND REPORT, THAT COMMERCIAL CANNOT BE ABSORBED.
IT'S JUST NOT POSSIBLE HERE AT PALM BAY POINT.
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ONE ANOTHER.SO THIS IS THE FISCAL IMPACT PORTION OF THE FISHKIND REPORT.
I REALIZE IT MAY BE HARD TO SEE.
I THOUGHT YOU HAD THIS ON THE SCREEN IN FRONT OF YOU, BUT MAYBE NOT.
THE NUMBER THERE SHOWS THAT PLUS OR MINUS.
IF A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WERE TO TAKE PLACE AT THE.
OUR PROJECT IS 130 ACRES, BUT THIS SLIDE IS FOCUSING ON JUST 27 ACRES OF THAT LARGE PROJECT.
$31 MILLION WOULD BE THE NET FISCAL IMPACT TO THE CITY OF PALM BAY.
IF A COMMERCIAL PROJECT IS BUILT ON THESE 27 ACRES, WHAT THIS SLIDE DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT IS WHAT WE SAW ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, WHICH FROM MR. FISHKIN SAID THE COMMERCIAL PROJECT CAN'T BE BUILT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOP TABLE, IF A MULTIFAMILY PROJECT IS BUILT ON THOSE SAME 27 ACRES, WE ARE LOOKING AT $86 MILLION OF NET FISCAL IMPACT. THAT'S AFTER EXPENSES TO THE CITY OF PALM BAY.
THE BEST PART OF THIS SLIDE? AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THIS IS ONLY FOCUSED ON THE 27 ACRE PORTION OF THE PROJECT.
THESE NUMBERS DON'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE 100 AND THE ENTIRE 130 ACRES.
THIS IS JUST A SLIVER OF THE PROJECT.
THERE'S A LOT OF TEXT ON THIS SLIDE.
THE IMPORTANT THING TO TAKE AWAY IS THE LINE AT THE BOTTOM.
THIS THIS PROJECT REPRESENTS WELL OVER A QUARTER OF $1 BILLION INVESTMENT IN THE CITY.
WE WORK ON A LOT OF PROJECTS THROUGHOUT THE STATE, AND WE SEE A LOT OF PROJECTS.
WE SEE WHAT OUR COMPETITION IS DOING AND WHAT'S PART OF WHAT MAKES PALM BAY POINT IN THIS PROJECT SO UNIQUE IS THAT MANY NEW PROJECTS ACT AS A DRAIN OR, YEAH, A DRAIN ON COMMUNITY INFRASTRUCTURE AND RESOURCES.
BUT WITH US, I'M VERY PROUD TO SAY IT IS EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE.
THE LIST OF WHAT WE'RE DOING INCLUDES WE'RE COMPLETING UNDERGROUND WATER AND SEWER LINE CROSSINGS ACROSS SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY AND BABCOCK STREET WERE RELOCATING OVERGROUND ELECTRIC LINES TO BE UNDERGROUND.
WE'RE EXTENDING WATER AND SEWER DOWN SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY TOWARD EMERALD LAKES, TOWARD ASHTON PARK, SO THOSE PROJECTS WILL HAVE CLOSER PROXIMITY TO UTILITIES SO THEY'LL BE MORE LIKELY TO GET OUT OF THE GROUND.
AND WE'RE STARTING TO WORK WITH THE UTILITY DEPARTMENT ON WAYS TO INCREASE FIRE FLOW.
AND THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE WE'RE PUTTING IN.
I SO APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION.
IT REALLY MEANS THE WORLD TO US.
THIS IS A SITE ON THE EAST SIDE OF ORLANDO CLOSE TO DISNEY WORLD.
IT'S A IF YOU SEE THIS AERIAL WAS TAKEN IN THE YEAR 2015, 2015.
AND IT IS A VACANT PIECE OF PROPERTY, THERE'S NOTHING THERE.
THE RESIDENTIAL DENSITY NEEDED TO BE THERE TO SUPPORT THE COMMERCIAL.
AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE HERE PROPOSING TODAY.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THAT PROJECT, THEY HAVE A DOZEN, MAYBE A DOZEN AND A HALF COMMERCIAL USERS.
THANK YOU. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
WE'RE WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, AND WE APPRECIATE IT.
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HE WENT FURTHER, SPEAKING.OKAY. DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO. OKAY.
HE'S GOT ONE QUESTION FOR YOU.
SO, JUST JUST KIND OF RECAP, ESPECIALLY WHAT, THE LAST WHAT THE LAST SLIDE.
I GUESS ONE OF MY BIGGEST QUESTIONS WAS GOING TO BE, WITH THE LIVE WORK PLAY, I KIND OF I LIKE THAT CONCEPT, BUT MY QUESTION WAS GOING TO BE, HOW WERE YOU ALL CREATING JOBS, OR HOW WERE YOU ALL CREATING INCOME FOR SOME OF THE RESIDENTS? AND, THANK YOU.
SO ON OUR COMMERCIALLY ZONED LAND, WHICH IS PLUS OR -100 ACRES, WE'RE TARGETING HEALTH CARE USERS.
WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO BE LIKE A MEDICAL, HEALTH CARE FOCUSED COMMUNITY.
AND WITH THAT COMES DOCTORS, NURSES, PA JOBS, ETC.
WE'VE REACHED OUT TO THE VETERANS AFFAIR, ALTHOUGH WE HAVEN'T HAD LUCK GETTING THEM YET.
THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, MR. OLSZEWSKI? GO AHEAD.
HOW MUCH OF THE, INFORMATION THAT YOU SHARE, AS FAR AS USE REALLY HINGES ON EMERALD LAKES AND ASHTON PARK EXISTING? LET'S JUST PRETEND THAT THEY DON'T EXIST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T.
YOUR USE AND YOUR CASE AND EVERYTHING YOU'VE BUILT.
I DON'T HAVE 2,000,000FT² OF COMMERCIAL.
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING OVER THERE.
I HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE, WORK AND PLAY AS YOU DESCRIBED.
SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE THOSE ROOFTOPS AND THOSE USERS, YOU KNOW HOW WORTHY OF AN INVESTMENT IS.
IS THIS FOR YOU TODAY? YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH ARE YOU RIDING ON EMERALD LAKES AND ASHTON PARK? WE ARE NOT RIDING ON EMERALD LAKES AND ASHTON PARK.
WE ARE OUR OWN INDEPENDENT PROJECT SEPARATE OF THEM.
THE WAY WE'RE APPROACHING UTILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE IS EXACTLY LIKE YOU JUST SAID.
IT'S WHAT WE SAY ALL THE TIME.
I'M NOT JUST DEVELOPER, BUT I'M ALSO LEASING AGENT.
AND SO IT'S MY JOB TO HIT THE PHONES, HIT THE REAL ESTATE CONFERENCES, REACH OUT TO TENANTS, AND I'M THE GUY ON THE FRONT LINES, KNOCKING ON DOORS, TRYING TO GET RETAILERS, USERS, OFFICE BUILDERS, MEDICAL PLAYERS, THE VA INTERESTED IN THIS SITE.
EMERALD LAKES AND ASHTON PARK, THAT ADDITIONAL GROWTH, THAT ADDITIONAL DENSITY WILL HELP US.
BUT THAT BEING SAID, WE DON'T I HATE TO SAY WE DON'T NEED THEM, BUT WE ARE WE ARE OUR OWN INDEPENDENT PROJECT IS THAT I DID I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? IT DOES. IT HELPS. I DO HAVE A QUICK FOLLOW UP IS ONE OF MY APPREHENSIONS IN THIS IS IS KIND OF SHOEHORNING OURSELVES INTO SOMETHING BIGGER THAT SOMETHING THAT TAKES UP A BIGGER FOOTPRINT. YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'LL BE A CHANCE FOR IT WHEN EMERALD LAKES EXISTS.
SO JUST FOR CONVERSATIONS SAKE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THIS PORTION OF THE CITY COULD USE A TARGET, RIGHT? A RETAILER, YOU KNOW, THEY DO SUPER TARGETS AND DO GROCERIES, TOO, BUT JUST A TARGET.
LOTS OF PEOPLE LIKE TARGET. YEAH, THE WHOLE SOUTHERN BREVARD MICCO, BAREFOOT BAY, EVERYBODY IN THIS DREAM WORLD THAT EVERYTHING EXISTS COULD QUITE ADVANCED, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF A TARGET OVER THERE. SO IF EMERALD LAKES NEVER COMES TO FRUITION, IF ASHTON PARK NEVER COMES TO FRUITION, AND THEN ALL THIS ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL DOESN'T.
BUT THE COMMERCIAL STYLING OF THIS AREA IS A PUBLIX AND THEN SOME BOUTIQUES.
AS I'M UNDERSTANDING IT, SOME MEDICAL OFFICES.
THEY'RE ALREADY BUILDING ON MICCO ROAD.
WE HAVE TO STAY IN THIS BOUTIQUE.
AND I FEEL LIKE THAT MAY BE SHOEHORNING THIS AREA.
AND WE DON'T HAVE A VIERA OF PALM BAY.
IF WE DID, IT WOULD BE THIS WHERE IT WAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
AND IT IS THOUGHTFULLY MASTER PLANNED AND CURATED.
SO I JUST HOW ARE WE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS FUTURE, EXPANDABILITY, SO TO SPEAK, IN THIS AREA? GREAT QUESTION. SO WE'VE APPROACHED TENANTS JUST LIKE TARGET I LOVE TARGET, GREAT.
THE BIG BOXES WILL NOT GO ON OUR SITE.
THEY THE THE RESIDENTIAL DENSITY.
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IT'S JUST NOT THERE.I THINK WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING IS MORE OF A REGIONAL COMMERCIAL CENTER.
AND WHAT YOU'LL FIND WHEN YOU LOOK THROUGHOUT BREVARD COUNTY, THROUGHOUT FLORIDA, THOSE REGIONAL COMMERCIAL CENTERS ARE ON THE INTERCHANGES WITH THE MAJOR HIGHWAYS LIKE I-95, I-4, AND I DO THINK THIS AREA, AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE WILL GET BIG BOXES LIKE THE ONES YOU'RE DESCRIBING.
WE'RE ABOUT A MILE AND A HALF WEST OF THE INTERCHANGE.
SO. DID I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? IT GIVES ME INFORMATION.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
THANK YOU. ANYTHING FURTHER FOR THE APPLICANT FROM THE BOARD? OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, SIR.
FOR THE RECORD, THERE IS A LETTER IN THE FILE ON THIS CASE.
THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST? SEEING NONE. IS THERE ANYONE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK AGAINST IT? SIR.
THANK YOU. MY NAME IS CHRISTOPHER GERARD.
I LIVE AT 3989 FOGGY MIST ROAD, SOUTHEAST PALM BAY, FLORIDA.
I'VE HEARD A LOT FROM THESE GENTLEMEN.
NOBODY MENTIONED HOUSES TO THE EAST ACROSS THE STREET.
I ASKED THE GENTLEMAN WHO WAS UP FIRST IF THEY EVER TALKED TO ANYBODY IN OUR COMMUNITY.
THEY DON'T WANT TO KNOW OUR OPINION.
I MOVED FROM SEATTLE TO AN AREA WHERE WE WANTED IT QUIET.
OKAY, I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM WITH THE COMMERCIAL THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.
NONE. ONE OF THE DREAMS I HAD TWO YEARS OR THREE YEARS AGO WHEN I STARTED BUILDING DOWN HERE, WAS I WANTED THE STARBUCKS ON THE CORNER BY OUR PLACE. I ONE OF THE PUBLIC'S GREAT.
I NEVER IN RESEARCHING EVERYTHING, SAW APARTMENTS ACROSS THE STREET.
A. I'VE NEVER SEEN IT ZONED FOR THAT.
I'VE NEVER SEEN IT PROPOSED FOR THAT.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR.
AND I GUARANTEE YOU THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT.
THE BIG DEAL ABOUT THE APARTMENTS IS IT BRINGS TOO MUCH DENSITY TO A SMALL AREA.
THEY COME UP WITH ARGUMENTS ABOUT.
AND HE QUOTED IT TODAY WE'RE NOT SUPPORTING THE COMMERCIAL IN THE AREA.
DO YOU KNOW WHY THERE ISN'T ANY COMMERCIAL IN THAT AREA? NOT ONE.
THE. GROCERY STORE THAT'S IN THE OTHER AREA.
THE LAST PROPOSAL PROJECT? THERE'S NOTHING THERE.
OF COURSE WE DON'T SUPPORT IT BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING THERE.
BUT NOBODY WANTS THE APARTMENTS.
IS, WHY DON'T THEY CARE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET? WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE TRAFFIC.
WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH LOOKING ACROSS THE STREET AT A FOUR STORY APARTMENT COMPLEX.
IS ANYBODY CONSIDERING THAT? HAS ANYBODY PULLED OUR RESIDENTS AND ASKED US IF WE WANT THAT? LAST TIME I CHECKED, WE'RE PART OF THE CITY.
THEN THEY SAY THAT WE NEED IT BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE ONLY ALMOST 3000 NEW HOMES.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU GUYS HAVE EVER DONE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT OR EVER.
I DID PUTTING IN STORES FOR NAPA AUTO PARTS NATIONWIDE.
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IT'S A THREE MILE RADIUS.IF THEY'RE ONLY FOCUSING ON A QUARTER MILE RADIUS, THAT'S A SERIOUS PROBLEM.
THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR DEVELOPMENT IS.
THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR RETAIL GUYS ARE LOOKING FOR.
YOU CAN'T PUT IN, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? A LITTLE SMALL CORNER HARDWARE STORE AND SAY WE'RE ONLY GOING TO SELL TO A QUARTER QUARTER MILE.
THEY NEED A 3 TO 4 MILE RADIUS.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.
THEY'RE LOOKING FOR THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF HOUSES.
THEY'RE NOT GIVING YOU THAT NUMBER.
THE APARTMENTS ARE NOT IT? WOULD I LOVE A HOME DEPOT? OH HELL YES.
IS HOME DEPOT GOING BROKE AND THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO HAVE A BUILDING.
BUT, SIR, YOU NEED TO WRAP IT UP.
YOUR TIME IS UP. WHAT'S THAT? YOUR TIME IS UP. CAN YOU WRAP IT UP, PLEASE? SURE. THANK YOU.
AND BEFORE YOU VOTE, DO SOME RESEARCH.
I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO FIND THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE HAPPY WITH YOU.
THAT'S NOT WHY WE BUILT THERE.
YOU HAVE ACCESS TO. THE ONE WHERE THEY SHOWED THE TREES.
SO YOU NEED TO COME BACK TO THE PODIUM.
PLEASE POINT IT OUT TO OUR MAN.
I'M SORRY, THE ONE WHERE THEY SHOWED THE LANDSCAPING AND STUFF.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE TRUTH IS, THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW, RIGHT OUT THE BACKYARD.
NOW I'M GOING TO GET TO LOOK AT THE BACK OF THE BUILDING WITH A WHOLE LOT OF TREES.
AND IT'S REALLY GOOD IF THE WHOLE LOT OF TREES MAKE A FOREST.
AND THEN I'M LOOKING AT A FOREST.
SO I GUESS THAT WOULD BE OKAY.
SIR, CAN YOU START WITH YOUR NAME AND.
OH, SORRY. ROBERT COOK, I JUST MOVED HERE.
ROBERT COOK, 1903 MIDDLEBURY DRIVE IN PALM BAY.
SO WE WHERE THAT HOUSE? RIGHT THERE. THAT'S MY HOUSE.
YOU KNOW, IF IT'S GOING TO BE A FOREST WE'RE LOOKING AT AND TAKES A COUPLE OF YEARS, WE WE EXPECT THAT WE ARE VERY CONCERNED WITH THE TRAFFIC, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE BABCOCK'S ONE WAY, ONE ROAD, YOU KNOW, EACH WAY.
IS THE CITY READY FOR THAT? THE SECOND THING IS THE NEAREST FIRE STATION IS 4.1 MILES AWAY.
THEY DON'T HAVE AN AERIAL TRUCK.
SO IF THERE'S A FIRE IN THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX, HOW ARE THEY PLANNING ON PUTTING IT OUT WITHOUT PUTTING FIREFIGHTERS AT RISK? BY PUTTING THEM IN? THERE'S A SCHOOL LITERALLY UP RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO PUT THIS IN.
THIS IS GOING TO BECOME A REAL PROBLEM FOR EVERYBODY.
THEY SHOWED US WOULD BE COMING BECAUSE WE NEED WE DON'T LIKE GOING TO MALABAR EITHER.
I MEAN IT'S LIKE 15 MINUTES EACH WAY, EVERY TIME WE HAVE TO GO FOOD SHOPPING.
YOU HAVE THAT GENTLEMAN WHO LIVES ACROSS THE STREET.
WE KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO PUT SOMETHING THERE AND YOU SHOULD PUT SOMETHING THERE.
BUT DOES IT HAVE TO BE SO BIG? DOES. DO WE HAVE TO AMEND THE RULES TO GO FROM 100 FOOT BUILDING TO A 230 FOOT BUILDING, BECAUSE THAT IS BASICALLY OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
I INVITE ANY ONE OF THE COUNCIL PEOPLE HERE, THE BOARD PEOPLE, TO COME TO MY HOUSE AND TELL ME IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT A 50 FOOT HIGH BUILDING THAT BLOCKS YOUR VIEW NOT FROM THE TREES, BUT JUST, YOU MIGHT AS WELL HAVE AN ECLIPSE BECAUSE WE WON'T BE SEEING ANYTHING.
AND IF THIS HAS BEEN IN THE MAKING FOR THREE YEARS AND AGAIN, FANTASTIC PRESENTATION.
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THEN WHEN WE MOVED IN, WHY DIDN'T THE BOARD REQUIRE THE BUILDERS TO SAY, HEY, SOMEDAY THERE COULD BE A FIVE STOREY BUILDING OR A FOUR STOREY BUILDING THERE BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT IT WAS ZONED FOR WHEN WE MOVED IN, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, SO I UNDERSTAND.BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? WE MOVED HERE FOR A SIMPLER LIFE.
WE MOVED PALM BAY BECAUSE OF THE COMMUNITY.
YOU KNOW, KILLING HALF OF US WITH THIS THING.
NOT REALLY SURE IT'S THE BEST MOVE.
SO LIKE THE OTHER GENTLEMAN HAD ALLUDED TO, DO YOUR RESEARCH.
WHAT DOES IT REALLY LOOK LIKE? COME BY OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, SEE IF YOU WANT TO LIVE THERE.
BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T WANT TO LIVE THERE, I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO LIVE THERE.
WE DON'T HAVE TO LOOK AT LIKE THESE EYESORE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, TEN FOOT TREES THAT ARE GOING TO BE 30 FOOT TREES.
I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A COMPLETE FOREST PUT UP THERE WHICH WILL COST THEM MONEY.
THAT'S THE ONLY WAY TO BLOCK US.
BUT AGAIN, I DON'T WANT A WALMART IN MY BACKYARD EITHER, SO.
WELL, WE ARE UNDERSTANDING YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD SOMETHING.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.
AND IF YOU HAVEN'T FILLED OUT A COMMENT CARD, WOULD YOU BRING IT BACK? THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS STACY WARREN.
I LIVE AT 1893 MIDDLEBURY DRIVE NEXT TO, MR. COOK HERE. I DO WANT TO SAY THAT WE HAVE SEEN THESE GENTLEMEN BEFORE.
THEY HELD A MEETING FOR RESIDENTS, AT CYPRESS BAY, WHICH IS ACROSS THE ROAD ACROSS BABCOCK FROM US.
AND THERE WAS A DEVELOPMENT AT THAT TIME ON THE TABLE CALLED THE GROVE AT PALM BAY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO IT, BUT IT WAS A FOUR STORY APARTMENT BUILDING.
WE'RE NOT EXCITED ABOUT HAVING A FOUR STORY APARTMENT BUILDING.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT THAT LAND IS COMMERCIAL.
SO SOMETHING IS GOING TO GO THERE.
THERE'D BE SOMETHING I'D BE NICE TO HAVE SOMETHING THERE THAT IS NOT, BACK OF A COMMERCIAL BUILDING.
FOUR STORIES SEEMS A LITTLE EXCESSIVE IN HEIGHT.
BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU BLOCK OUR VIEW OF EACH OTHER.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING IN OUR BACKYARDS.
WE ARE A GATED COMMUNITY, SO I WONDER WHAT IS GOING TO BE DONE.
WE LIVE AT COURTYARDS, AT WATERSTONE.
WHAT IS GOING TO BE DONE TO MAINTAIN SAFETY OF OUR, NEIGHBORHOOD? BECAUSE IT IS A GATED COMMUNITY.
SO, IS THERE GOING TO BE FENCING, BETWEEN THE PROPERTIES? AND LIGHTING IS A CONCERN BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE'S PARKING LOTS THERE AND YOU NEED TO BE LIT AND RATHER NOT HAVE MY BACKYARD LIT UP.
THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK, SIR? YES. MY NAME IS JOHN MCGEE.
I LIVE IN BAYSIDE LAKES, 1991 THORNWOOD DRIVE.
WHEN I MOVED HERE IN 2009, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I HEARD WAS THERE'S GOING TO BE A NEW COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT CALLED EMERALD CITY EMERALD, SOMETHING ON BABCOCK STREET, WHICH IS GOING TO BE DESIGNED AND PLANNED TO ACCOMMODATE ALL THE FUTURE GROWTH, WHICH IS GOING TO GO DOWN BABCOCK STREET, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT, WHICH SEEMS TO BE ONE OF THE FASTEST GROWING AREAS IN PALM BAY.
SO WHERE DOES ALL THAT TRAFFIC COME? COMES INTO BAYSIDE, GO TO BAYSIDE.
PUBLIX NOW TEN HOURS OF 12 HOURS A DAY.
AND IT'S CROWDED MOST OF THE TIME IT'S CROWDED.
SO I ASK YOU TO BE VERY COGNIZANT OF TRYING TO EXPEDITE THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, WHICH I'M FOR AS FAR AS ALLEVIATING BAYSIDE, BUT ALSO PROVIDING THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE DOWN THERE MORE CONVENIENT, COMMERCIAL RESOURCES FOR THEM TO TO LIVE BY.
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I DON'T HEAR ANYBODY TALKING ABOUT IS WHAT ABOUT POLICE? WHAT ABOUT FIRE? WHAT ABOUT EMERGENCY SERVICES? THE CLOSEST FIRE STATION TO THESE DEVELOPMENTS IS AT WYOMING AND BABCOCK.THE CLOSEST POLICE STATION IS RIGHT HERE.
SO ARE WE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT OR HAS THE BUILDER HAD ANY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY ABOUT HELPING DEVELOP, MAYBE PROVIDE FUNDING TO BUILD A FIRE STATION AND A POLICE STATION IN SOUTHEAST PALM BAY, PALM BAY SPREADING OUT.
AND IF YOU HAVE POLICE CARS THAT ARE ALWAYS ON PATROL, BUT THEY HAVE NO PRECINCT OFFICE TO GO TO OR IT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT, WE NEED MORE PRESENCE OF POLICE AND PUBLIC SERVICE AGENCIES.
AND IN SOUTHEAST PALM BAY AND ALSO IN NORTHWEST, WHICH I SEE IS GOING ON ON SAINT JOHNS PARKWAY.
THIS IS ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE AS AS SAINT JOHNS PARKWAY DEVELOPS AND COMES AROUND AND HOOKS UP WITH SAINT JOHNS PARKWAY WEST OUT AT MALABAR, AND THAT SEEMS TO BE THE GROWTH AREA.
SO I'M ASKING, ARE WE CONSIDERING THE PUBLIC SAFETY IMPACT WITH THE BUILDERS, AND WHAT DISCUSSIONS ARE THERE THAT THE CITY IS HAVING TO ENSURE THAT SOMEHOW EITHER THEY REQUIRED TO CONTRIBUTE TOWARDS PUBLIC SAFETY, BUILDINGS AND CONSTRUCTION WITH THE POLICE AND FIRE, OR HAVE THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSIONS? THANK YOU, THANK YOU.
ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? AS WE HAVE SOMETHING NEW TO ADD, SIR.
THE GENTLEMAN WAS ASKED THE SAME QUESTIONS I HAD ABOUT THE FIRE PROTECTION AND THE CONTRACTOR AND ALLUDED TO THE UPGRADING THE FIRE PROTECTION SYSTEM IN THE GROUND AND SO FORTH. BUT I DON'T SEE ANYTHING ABOUT A FIRE STATION.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS RESPONSE NATIONAL NFPA REQUIRES A RESPONSE TIME.
I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING AS A DEVELOPMENT TO BUILD A FIRE STATION DOWN AT THIS END OF THE COUNTY.
AND OUR CLOSEST ONE IS UP AT, WYOMING BOULEVARD ROAD.
NOW THAT MIKO'S CLOSED BECAUSE OF THEIR BRIDGE.
SO NOW WE ONLY HAVE ONE FIRE STATION REALISTICALLY IN OUR AREA.
AND I WOULD ASK THE COUNCIL TO THINK ABOUT THAT AHEAD OF TIME.
BUT YOU GOT A PLAN FOR THAT? YOU GOT TO FIRE. YOU GOT TO HIRE FIREFIGHTERS AND DRIVERS AND APPARATUS TO SPREAD OUT FOR THAT PORTION.
AND WE ARE BUILDING UP THAT END.
SUNRISE IS ABSOLUTELY A VERY, VERY GOOD SCHOOL, BUT IT'S AT CAPACITY.
YOU'RE TALKING 21 STUDENTS PER CLASS.
THERE IS NO GROWTH, BUT YET YOU'RE GOING TO TRIPLE THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE IN THIS AREA.
WHAT'S THE COUNTY DOING FOR THE SCHOOL? ARE WE INCREASING THE SIZE? ARE WE ADDING THE TEACHERS AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO INCREASE THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL THERE? BECAUSE BUSING A BABCOCK IS A PROBLEM NOW.
YOU ADD ALL THESE HOUSES TRAFFIC.
THERE'S NOT AN EXTRA TURNING LANES.
YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SPEED THE TRAFFIC FLOW UP.
BUSSES ARE HELD UP ALL THE TIME GETTING OUT OF THAT SCHOOL.
COULD YOU WRAP IT UP, PLEASE? I'LL FILL THIS OUT. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR. ANYONE ELSE.
DID HE SPEAK BEFORE? OKAY. BILL BATTEN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.
JUST TWO ITEMS I'D LIKE TO BRING UP ON THIS ONE.
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WE'RE LOOKING. SOME PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE.WE THINK, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THE IMPACT FEES THAT THIS GENERATES, BUT WE CANNOT USE THE IMPACT FEES BECAUSE WHEN THE SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY WAS BUILT, PART OF THE CRITERIA WAS THIS WAS THE DESIGNATED CIRCLE AREA THAT THE IMPACT FEE HAD TO GO TOWARDS THE ESTABLISHMENT OF SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY.
I WANT PEOPLE TO REMEMBER THAT THE CITY OF PALM BAY IS ONLY 63 YEARS OLD.
IT DIDN'T HAVE TO BE DEVELOPED OVERNIGHT, RIGHT? BUT IF WE LOSE THE DEVELOPMENT LAND, THAT COULD POTENTIALLY EVENTUALLY BE THE COMMERCIAL, THEN WE WON'T HAVE THAT.
BUT REMEMBER, WE'RE ONLY 63 YEARS OLD.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO HAPPEN OVERNIGHT.
YOU'VE ALREADY HAD YOUR TIME, SIR.
NO, SIR. ANYONE ELSE FROM THE AUDIENCE? SEEING NONE WITH THE APPLICANT.
THANK YOU. I WAS TAKING NOTES, SO HOPEFULLY I'LL HIT ALL THE POINTS THAT WE JUST HEARD.
WE DID SET OUT A 500 FOOT NOTIFICATION.
WE DID MEET WITH THE PRESIDENT OF THE HOA.
THAT THAT INVITATION WAS EXTENDED TO BOTH SIDES, BOTH EAST AND WEST OF BABCOCK STREET.
IT MAY NOT. IT DEFINITELY DID NOT HIT EVERY SINGLE HOUSE IN BOTH DEVELOPMENTS.
BUT THE HOMES WERE NOTIFIED AND WE'VE REACHED OUT.
I'VE PERSONALLY BEEN MEETING WITH ALL OF THEM FOR 15 PLUS YEARS.
AND WE'VE HAD MORE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS THAN I CAN REMEMBER TWO SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS PROJECT.
SO WE HAVE BEEN VERY, VERY UPFRONT AND AVAILABLE.
SO THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS NEW THAT WE DIDN'T COME IN WITH ALL OF A SUDDEN.
YOU SAW OUR PRESENTATION ABOUT GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND.
SO YOU SAW WE PUT A HUGE MAJOR FOCUS ON THAT.
EVERYTHING FROM BERMING TO FENCING TO PLANTING MUCH BIGGER TREES, MUCH HIGHER DENSITY.
WE WANT THAT TO HAVE A FORESTED LOOK I HEARD EARLIER.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GOING FOR AND WHAT WE'RE STRIVING FOR.
WE EVEN ARE WORKING WITH THE HOA PRESIDENT OF THE COURTYARDS TO BE ABLE TO PLANT AROUND THEIR POND.
THEIR POND RIGHT NOW DOESN'T HAVE ANY VEGETATION.
SO WE WOULD PLANT IT, WE WOULD IRRIGATE IT, AND WE WOULD MAINTAIN IT AS PART OF OUR PROJECT.
WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO BE THAT GOOD NEIGHBOR.
COMPLIMENTS TO THE RESIDENT, THE NEIGHBORS TO.
I'VE GOT A MEETING I CAN'T REMEMBER.
IT'S NEXT WEEK OR THE WEEK AFTER.
WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL, BECAUSE WE HAVE A NEW FIRE MARSHAL TO GET THE NEWEST OPINION.
THIS SITE RIGHT HERE THAT STICKS DOWN.
THAT WAS GOING TO BE THE POLICE AND FIRE STATION SITE.
WE'VE ALREADY HAD THOSE MEETINGS.
AND THAT THAT SITE WASN'T BIG ENOUGH.
ALL OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS HAVE BEEN GOING ONGOING.
THEY STILL ARE, AS I MENTIONED.
AND THAT IS ABSOLUTELY A HUGE PRIORITY FOR THE CITY, FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AND FOR THE WHOLE REGION.
SO I'M SO GLAD THAT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP.
THERE'S ALREADY AND WE HAVE OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER TONIGHT.
SO THAT'S WHAT THESE DEVELOPMENTS ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH.
MR. BATTEN MENTIONED IMPACT FEES STAYING IN THIS AREA.
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THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING FOR THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER.WE DON'T NEED TO GO BACK TO THE SLIDE.
BUT WHAT IS CURRENTLY PERMITTED TODAY ON THAT 27 ACRES, THAT COMMERCIAL, IF IT WAS DEVELOPED COMMERCIALLY, WOULD BE 96% MORE TRAFFIC THAN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
WE ARE LOOKING TO REDUCE THE TRAFFIC IN THE AREA BY PUTTING THIS PROJECT HERE, BY MAKING IT AGAIN A WORK HERE, PLAY HERE, WALKABLE COMMUNITY, CREATION OF JOBS. ONE THING THAT WASN'T MENTIONED IS WE WANT TO PUT A ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY IN PROVIDING A REAL NEED AND GOOD JOBS FOR THIS AREA THAT'S PLANNED JUST NORTH OF WHAT YOU SEE HERE.
IT'S CONSIDERED COMMERCIAL, SO IT'S NOT PART OF WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING HERE TODAY.
HEARD ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TARGET, YOU MENTIONED BIG BOX STORES.
THAT MARKET IS THE VISIBILITY OF I-95.
IT'S NOT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, COMMERCIAL AREA.
IT'S JUST NOT THE WAY THE MARKET IS HAPPENING NOW.
THOSE BIG BOXES, THOUGH, THEY'RE 36, 40FT TALL.
SO JUST A LITTLE BIT TALLER THAN WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN BACK THERE.
WITH COMMERCIAL, YOU ALSO ALWAYS PUT YOUR SOLID WASTE COLLECTION.
ALL THAT STUFF GOES IN THE BACK.
THE TRUCK DELIVERIES, ALL THOSE THINGS ARE IN THE BACK CLOSEST TO THE RESIDENTIAL.
THAT'S WHY WE THINK THAT TRANSITIONAL BUFFER BETWEEN THOSE SINGLE FAMILY, THE MULTIFAMILY PROPOSING, AND THEN THE COMMERCIAL WOULD BE THE BEST FOR THAT. AND WHEN WE HAD SOME OF THESE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS, SOME OF THE RESIDENTS AGREED.
NOT EVERYBODY AGREES, OF COURSE.
RIGHT NOW IT'S A NICE BIG OPEN GRASS AREAS, AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT AS WELL.
LET'S SEE. WHAT ELSE DO THEY HIT? OH. SCHOOLS. WE DO HAVE, SCHOOL BOARD REPRESENTED HERE TONIGHT.
THAT SCHOOL, SUNRISE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS ALREADY, I BELIEVE, 100% FULL.
THANK YOU. SO WE'RE WORKING ALREADY WITH THE CHARTER SCHOOL? WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE CHARTER SCHOOLS.
AND DO YOU MIND GOING BACK TO THE PALM BAY EAST SITE? PERFECT. THANK YOU.
IT HAD ALWAYS BEEN PLANNED FOR A CHARTER SCHOOL.
SO YOU HAVE TWO ACCESS POINTS.
YOU CAN HAVE A BUS LOOP AND YOU CAN HAVE A PARENT DROP OFF LOOP.
THAT'S WHY IT'S SO DEEP IS SO THAT THE SCHOOL CAN BE SET BACK PLAYFIELDS EVERYTHING ELSE.
IT'S ALWAYS BEEN PLANNED FOR A CHARTER SCHOOL.
IT MIGHT EVEN BE THE FIRST BREVARD COUNTY SCHOOL THAT HAS A K TO EIGHT.
SO ALL THOSE DISCUSSIONS HAVE BEEN ONGOING AND IT IS ABSOLUTELY A CONCERN.
AND AGAIN, KUDOS TO THE RESIDENTS FOR BRINGING UP THOSE ITEMS. SO WITH THAT, I THINK I HIT THE POINTS THAT I HEARD AND JEREMY PROBABLY HAS A COUPLE THINGS.
OKAY. SO, WITH THAT, WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE BOARD MAY HAVE.
I'M SORRY. OH, YOU DID JUST JUST ONE POINT TO ADD.
SOMEBODY DID MENTION THE WORD EYESORE.
AND IF WE COULD JUST MISS FRAZIER, PLEASE SCROLL TOWARD THE VERY BOTTOM OF THE POWERPOINT.
YOU SAW THE RENDERINGS OF, OF THE PROPOSED BUILDINGS, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT.
PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE DIRECTLY NEXT DOOR TO COMMERCIAL, NEXT TO SHOPPING CENTERS.
AND THESE ARE SHOPPING CENTERS IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.
SO THIS IS WHAT THE BACK OF THE SHOPPING CENTER LOOKS LIKE.
COMMONLY THEY'RE THEY'RE PLACES OF TRASH COLLECTION, LOADING DOCKS.
THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT ESTHETICALLY PLEASING.
AND SO THESE ARE THIS WOULD BE WHAT LIVING NEXT TO COMMERCIAL MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
AND WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS.
THE FLOOR IS NOW CLOSED FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS AND BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION.
BOARD? MORE DISCUSSION OR A MOTION, PLEASE? WELL, A LITTLE BIT MORE DISCUSSION.
THIS MAY BE A QUESTION FOR JAKE.
YEAH, I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 27 ACRES.
IS THERE IS THERE ANYTHING I KNOW? AND. BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT WE'RE ALSO.
SO. SO JUST FOR A LITTLE CLARITY, I ALSO KNOW THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOUR DIFFERENT, PIECES HERE.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE EAST SIDE OF, OF OF, BABCOCK AND THE WEST SIDE OF BABCOCK.
THE MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL THAT YOU'RE SEEKING.
WHAT IS WHAT WHAT IS LIMITING THAT TO JUST THAT 27 ACRES?
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OR IS THERE A POSSIBILITY FOR IF THAT PROJECT IS IS SUCCESSFUL FOR THAT PROJECT TO TO SPRING UP AND ON THE WEST SIDE OR OR OR OR CLOSER TO THE SOUTH SIDE? I MEAN, SO WHAT WHAT IS WHAT IS THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.IT'S BECAUSE OF THE THREE YEARS IN THE MAKING THAT I MENTIONED.
COUNCIL DENIED THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION THAT THIS BOARD SUPPORTED AND THAT STAFF SUPPORTED.
IT WAS DENIED. THEY DON'T WANT THE MULTIFAMILY TO GROW ANY BIGGER THAN WHAT WE'RE SHOWING.
ONE OF THE SLIDES UP THERE I HAD WAS WE INCREASED THE COMMERCIAL BY 11.5 ACRES, REDUCED THE APARTMENTS FROM WHAT WE PREVIOUSLY HAD SUBMITTED AND APPLIED FOR.
WE'RE HAPPY WITH WHAT WE HAVE.
WE THINK THIS WILL BE THAT JUMP START TO MAKE THE COMMERCIAL SUCCESSFUL.
I HEARD GAS STATION, I HEARD A STARBUCKS.
JEREMY IS THE GUY THAT TALKS TO THEM, AND THEY'RE NOT READY TO MAKE THAT INVESTMENT HERE AT THIS TIME IN THIS MARKET WITH THE 2700 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
BUT THEY'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY TO HAVE THESE APARTMENTS AND TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THEM BE ABLE TO JUST WALK OVER, GET YOUR BAGEL AND YOUR COFFEE IN THE MORNING, GO DOWN TO THE GAS STATION, THINGS LIKE THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? BACK TO DISCUSSION OR DO I HAVE ANY MORE DISCUSSION OR MOTION? MADAM CHAIR.
YES. I NEED TO APOLOGIZE BECAUSE OUR AGENDA IS A LITTLE OUT OF ORDER.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE AGENDA, WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING ITEM NUMBER FIVE.
THE LAND USE CHANGE PRIOR TO ITEM NUMBER THREE AND FOUR, WHICH IS THE PD AND THE FD.
SO I APOLOGIZE, MICHAEL AND I JUST NOTED THAT I APOLOGIZE I DIDN'T NOTE IT EARLIER.
AND THAT SHOULD BE THE FIRST AGENDA ITEM THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED, BECAUSE, AGAIN, JUST LIKE THE LAST ITEM, IF THE LAND USE DOESN'T CHANGE, WE MAY OR MAY NOT BE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE ITEMS NUMBER THREE AND FOUR.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE FOR EVERYONE? YEAH. YOU CAN'T APPROVE A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN UNTIL YOU CHANGE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THAT'S CORRECT. AND AGAIN, MY APOLOGIES THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW THIS EARLIER.
SO KIM, WOULD YOU MIND PRESENTING ITEM NUMBER FIVE FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD? SURE THAT'S CP 23 00012.
THE APPLICANT IS REPRESENTED BY JAKE WEISS.
NORTHWEST OF THE CORNER OF BABCOCK STREET SOUTHEAST AND SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY SOUTHEAST.
THE FUTURE LAND USE IS COMMERCIAL, WITH SMALL SECTIONS OF LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, AND THE EXISTING ZONING IS PUD AND THE SIZE IS APPROXIMATELY 27.72 ACRES.
APPLICANTS REQUESTING A SMALL SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT FROM THE COMMERCIAL, LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TO NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER. SO.
THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STATES THAT THE PURPOSE OF NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER LAND USE CLASSIFICATION IS TO CREATE AREAS ACCOMMODATING HIGH RESIDENTIAL DENSITIES, COMPLEMENTED BY NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE USES.
THE PROPOSED TRACT WILL CONSIST SOLELY OF MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT.
AS DISCUSSED IN 2022, THE OWNER REQUESTED A FUTURE LAND USE CHANGE FROM COMMERCIAL TO MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL FOR A MUCH LARGER 38.3 ACRE TRACT. AT THIS TIME, THE PROPOSAL WAS FOR 760 MULTIFAMILY UNITS, AND THAT, WAS PASSED UNANIMOUSLY BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD. HOWEVER, IT WAS DENIED BY CITY COUNCIL.
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THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY IS NOW REQUESTING A CHANGE OF FUTURE LAND USE TO NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER, AND THE PROPOSED MULTIFAMILY COMPLEX WILL INCLUDE 668 UNITS. THE PROPOSED PALM BAY POINT WEST DEVELOPMENT WILL ALSO CONSIST OF 16 COMMERCIAL PARCELS, WHICH TOTAL APPROXIMATELY 41 ACRES, AND THE VACANT COMMERCIAL PARCELS ARE SITUATED SITUATED ADJACENT TO THE SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY SOUTHEAST AND THE BABCOCK STREET SOUTHEAST.AND. THE KCP 23 00012 IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL.
THE ONLY THING WE WOULD ASK IS THAT OUR PREVIOUS PRESENTATION BE PART OF THE RECORD FOR EACH OF THESE FIVE ITEMS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
THIS BOARD. HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT BEFORE WE MOVE ON? THESE ARE ALL COMPANION CASES.
THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
THE COMMENTS FROM THE PREVIOUS CASE WILL BE ADDED TO THE RECORD.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING ADDITIONAL TO ADD? ON THIS CASE. ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST? ANY AGAINST.
THE FLOOR IS NOW CLOSED AND IS BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR MOTION OR DISCUSSION.
I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO DENY CP 23 00012.
I HAVE A MOTION. I HAVE A SECOND.
MOTION FAILS FOR LACK OF A SECOND.
DO I HAVE ANOTHER MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE CP 23 00012.
YOU KNOW, CITY COUNCIL HAS HAS SHOWN PROPENSITY.
HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPING COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IS, IS, IS A STRUGGLE AND THERE JUST AREN'T ENOUGH PEOPLE WILLING, COMPANIES WILLING TO COME IN AND DEVELOP IT. SO THIS, THIS NEW ZONING, YOU KNOW, ALLOWS FOR A MIXTURE OF RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.
AND IT STILL MAINTAIN THE COMMERCIAL ALONG BABCOCK STREET, WHICH IS REALLY, DESIRABLE.
SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS.
I CAN SEE A TRANSITION FROM ALL THE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING WHICH HAS BEEN BOOMING IN THAT AREA.
AND THERE'S REALLY NO MULTIFAMILY TO SPEAK OF.
SO, MADE THE MOTION TO APPROVE IT.
I HAVE A MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND BY MR. MCLEOD. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE AYE AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? OPPOSED? NAY. WAS THAT.
I'M SORRY. DID YOU SAY SIR? YEAH. OKAY.
THE NEXT CASE, WILL THAT GO BACK TO THE FIRST ONE? YES. NOW. YES, MA'AM.
SO WE'RE IT'S TO THE BOARD FOR MOTION AND DISCUSSION.
OR DO I HAVE A MOTION? YES. JUST LIKE THE OTHER CASE, THE SAME REASONING.
MOTION TO APPROVE PD 23 00005.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND BY MR. MACLEOD. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? NAY, NAY. FIVE MOTION CARRIES.
THE LAST COMPANION CASE ON THIS WOULD BE FD 23 000121.
STAFF DID NOT PRESENT THIS ONE, BUT.
AND SO WE. IF YOU WOULD LIKE US TO PRESENT THIS, IT'S THE SAME AS THE PD.
BUT WE CAN PRESENT IT FOR YOU IF YOU'D LIKE.
MORE. DOES I HAVE A QUESTION, MADAM CHAIR? OKAY. MR. HRUSHEVSKY, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN? THAT IS SUCH A GOOD QUESTION.
AND ONE THAT WE ARE TEASING OUT AND CHANGING IN THE CODE WHEN WE DO THE CODE UPDATE.
GENERALLY. AND I'LL TRY TO BE QUICK ON THIS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ME AND I LIKE TO DO MY PLANNING TUTELAGE, BUT FOR A PUD, GENERALLY THAT'S A REZONING OF A PROPERTY.
SO WITH A PUD, YOU HAVE TO SUBMIT A CONCEPTUAL PLAN OR A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
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CORRECT? TYPICALLY THAT'S WHAT YOU DO.YOU'RE DONE. YOU GET THE ZONING, THAT'S IT.
THE FINAL SITE PLAN IS SUBMITTED AFTER YOU HAVE YOUR LAND USE AND YOUR ZONING IN PLACE.
BUT THAT COMES, AS PART OF YOUR CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS, IF YOU WILL, OR WITH YOUR PRELIMINARY PLAT.
CORRECT. SO THAT'S THE WAY WE'RE GOING TO BE CHANGING THINGS INSTEAD.
RIGHT NOW, THE WAY WE ACT IS THE PD COMES WITH THE REZONING REQUEST, IT GETS APPROVED, AND THEN WITHIN A YEAR, YOU'RE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE YOUR FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THEN YOU GET YOUR FINAL ZONING.
AND TYPICALLY THEN YOU SEE THE APPLICANTS COMING IN WITH BOTH OF THEM AT THE SAME TIME.
SO WE'RE GOING TO ELIMINATE THE ONE, KEEP THE CORRECT THE CORRECT PROCESS, WHICH IS YOUR REZONING WITH THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN. AND THEN THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS PRESENTED WITH YOUR PRELIMINARY PLAT.
AND SO THAT'S WHY YOU CONTINUALLY SEE THEM BOTH COMING IN TOGETHER.
AND THEY'RE THE EXACT SAME THING UNLESS THEY WANT TO MAKE CHANGES.
AND THEN AGAIN THAT'LL COME WITH YOUR PRELIMINARY PLAT.
SO THAT'S A MORE CLEANER PROCESS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON.
SO ARE WE TO ASSUME THAT THESE, SINCE THESE TWO ITEMS ARE BACK TO BACK, THAT THE DEVELOPER DOESN'T WANT TO CHANGE THEM BETWEEN PRELIMINARY AND FINAL, AND THEY'RE COMPLETELY IDENTICAL. THEY'RE IDENTICAL.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. ABSOLUTELY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD FOR STAFF? OKAY. YEAH.
EVERYTHING WANTS TO. MR. WISE, DO YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING ON THIS OR.
JUST AGAIN, THE SAME INFORMATION FOR THE RECORD.
THEN IF YOU CAN PULL UP THE PALM BAY POINT EAST, IS THAT THE ONE WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW? OH. SO WEST. SO OKAY.
THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST? ANYONE AGAINST.
NO, SIR. YOU CAN COME AND MAKE A COMMENT.
AGAIN. MY NAME IS CHRISTOPHER GARRETT.
I LIVE AT 3989 FOGGY MIST ROAD, SOUTHEAST PALM BAY, FLORIDA.
THE ONE THING I HAVEN'T HEARD, OTHER THAN WE'RE PUTTING IN 3000 NEW HOMES, HUNDREDS OF COMMERCIAL.
AND APPARENTLY OUR DEPARTMENTS.
WHAT ARE WE DOING ABOUT BABCOCK? BABCOCK IS ONLY TWO LANES, IS BACKED UP EVERY SINGLE DAY.
WHAT ARE WE DOING ABOUT IT? DOES ANYBODY KNOW? DOES ANYBODY HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT? IS THAT A NO? THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, SIR.
SO YOU JUST REFUSE? YES. NO. IF YOU. NO, YOU REFUSE.
THIS IS NOT A GIVE AND TAKE. THIS IS NOT A QUESTION AND ANSWER.
YOU CAN. YOUR PUBLIC COMMENTS IS.
SIR, IS JUST COMMENTS, OKAY? YOU CAN'T JUST ANSWER IF YOU KNOW WELL BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO.
I WILL I WILL ADDRESS THAT QUESTION.
OKAY. A A A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY HAS BEEN DONE ON WIDENING.
BABCOCK ROAD HASN'T BEEN FINALIZED YET, BUT BABCOCK ROAD WILL BE WIDENED.
I CAN'T TELL YOU THE TIME FRAME BECAUSE IT'S IT'S A LONG INVOLVED PROCESS.
AND A BIG PART OF OF TRANSPORTATION PLANNING IS THE MONEY TO TO TO PAY FOR IT.
THEY'VE DONE THE STUDY, THEY'VE COME UP WITH SEVERAL ALTERNATIVES.
AND AS FAR AS WIDENING GOES, THEY MAY PUT IN SOME, SOME TRAFFIC CIRCLES AND ALL SORTS OF STUFF.
BUT, THE MAIN HOLDUP RIGHT NOW IS FUNDING THE CONSTRUCTION.
BUT THE THE COUNTY IS IT'S A COUNTY ROAD, BY THE WAY.
BABCOCK IS WELL, WELL AWARE OF IT AND THEY'RE WORKING ON IT.
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THANK YOU, MR. WEINBERG.ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE? SEEING NONE. WOULD YOU LIKE TO COMMENT ON ANYTHING, MR. RICE FROM HIS COMMENT.
CERTAINLY. THANK YOU. MR. WEINBERG COVERED IT. WELL.
WE'RE ACTUALLY IN THE PROCESS OF UPDATING THAT AS PART OF THIS PROJECT.
SOMETHING THAT WE VOLUNTEERED TO DO, JUST SO THAT WE WOULD HAVE THAT UPDATED, THE PDA STUDY IS NOT ONLY A DESIGN, OF THE FOUR LANING THAT IS UNDERWAY, BUT IT'S ALSO LOOKING FOR FUNDING SOURCES.
SO THOSE DO TAKE MULTIPLE YEARS.
BUT THAT ALL OF THAT IS UNDERWAY AND MOVING FORWARD.
SO WE'RE LOOKING WE'RE ALL LOOKING FORWARD TO THOSE IMPROVEMENTS COMING DOWN.
THE FLOOR IS NOW CLOSED AND BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD.
BOARD I'VE MORE DISCUSSION OR MOTION, PLEASE.
MOTION TO APPROVE FD 23 00012.
SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR MR. BOEREMA. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? NAY. MOTION CARRIES 5 TO 2.
DOES ANY ANYONE ON THE BOARD NEED A BREAK? FIVE MINUTES? OR CAN WE CONTINUE FOR THESE NEXT TWO CASES? FOR PALM BAY POINT EAST, WE CAN TAKE FIVE SO THAT YOU CAN LET THOSE THAT WANT TO LEAVE.
WELL. THE NEXT TWO CASES ARE PART OF THIS.
CAN WE CONTINUE FOR THE NEXT TWO? OKAY. THE NEXT CASE.
GOOD EVENING. I'M TANYA RAMOS, PRINCIPAL PLANNER HERE.
I DIDN'T SEE YOU. I WONDER WHO'S GOING TO DO IT.
AND AGAIN, THE APPLICANT IS CUMIA LLC, REPRESENTED BY JAKE WEISS.
THE PROPERTY ALREADY HAS A FUTURE LAND USE OF COMMERCIAL AND A ZONING OF PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, AND THIS IS APPROXIMATELY 42.95 ACRES.
PALM BAY POINT EAST CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 42.95 ACRES, ALREADY DESIGNATED AS COMMERCIAL WHEN WITHIN THE CYPRESS BAY PRESERVE MASTER PLAN.
THIS PROPOSED PDP IS AN AMENDMENT NECESSARY TO ESTABLISH DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND DELINEATE COMMERCIAL LOTS FOR PLATTING, SO THAT END USERS CAN BEGIN SUBMITTING FOR SITE PLAN REVIEW AND BUILDING PERMITS.
AND WITH THAT IN MIND, CASE PD 23 00007 MEETS THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AMENDMENT AND IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL.
AND STAFF AND THE APPLICANT ARE AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU, MR. RAMOS. DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE APPLICANT.
JAKE WISE, CIVIL ENGINEER FOR THE PROJECT.
2651 WEST EAU GALLIE BOULEVARD.
WE WANT TO KEEP 100% 43 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL.
BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
THANK YOU. THIS BOARD. HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. WISE? THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST? MR. BENTON? BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST. I'M SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF THIS BECAUSE IT IS TRYING TO KEEP THE COMMERCIAL RIGHT AT THE INTERSECTION, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING BEEN WORKING FOR ALL ALONG.
BUT IT DOES GENERATE ONE QUESTION.
SINCE YOU HAVE YOUR BUSINESS EXPERT HERE, YOUR YOUR BUSINESS ACQUIRE GURU.
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THANK YOU. THANK YOU.ANY FURTHER COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE? SEEING NONE.
MR. WISE, DO YOU WANT TO? DEPARTMENT OR THE APPLICANT.
I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THE QUESTION.
FLOOR IS NOW CLOSED FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS AND THE CASE IS BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD.
BOARD? DO I HAVE A MOTION OR FURTHER DISCUSSION? YEAH. THIS IS THIS IS SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, ALMOST 43 ACRES OF PURELY COMMERCIAL, IT'S GOING TO MAKE CITY COUNCIL VERY HAPPY.
AND IT'S A GREAT LOCATION FOR IT.
AND BOTH SIDES OF SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY.
SO A MOTION TO APPROVE PD 23 00007.
MOTION AND A SECOND BY MR. MCCLOUD. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
NOW AS THE NEXT CASE, THE SAME CASE THAT WE'RE HEARING AGAIN BECAUSE OF THE FINAL RULING.
MISS RAMOS. SO THIS IS, AGAIN, THE SAME PROJECT.
ESSENTIALLY, THE APPLICANT IS KIMYA LLC, REPRESENTED BY JAKE WISE, EAST DEVON, ADJACENT TO BABCOCK STREET, ALONG THE PARKWAY. AND THE SITE'S ALREADY GOT A FUTURE LAND USE OF COMMERCIAL AND PUD ZONING.
IT LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO END USERS MAY BEGIN SUBMITTING FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND BUILDING PERMITS.
I KNOW I'VE HAD ONE PRE-APPLICATION MEETING FOR A GAS STATION ON ONE OF THESE LOTS PROPOSED LOTS.
AND CASE PHD 20 3-00010 MEETS THE MINIMUM CRITERIA FOR FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AMENDMENT APPROVAL AND IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL.
THANK YOU. DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO, THANK YOU, MR. WISE. THANK YOU.
SO WE WOULD HAVE THREE AGENDA ITEMS INSTEAD OF FIVE TONIGHT.
SO THAT'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE BOARD HAS.
THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? THIS ONE IS ALSO 100% COMMERCIAL, SAME AS WHAT YOU JUST VOTED ON.
EXACT SAME THING. FOR THE RECORD, THERE IS A LETTER IN THE FILE ON THIS CASE. THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISHING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST? SEEING NONE ANY POSED.
THANK YOU. THE FLOOR IS NOW CLOSED FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR MOTION OR DISCUSSION.
YEAH. MOTION TO APPROVE FD 23 00010.
SECOND MOTION AND SECOND BY MR. MACLEOD. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
DO WE WANT TO TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK? SURE. DOES ANYBODY NEED.
WE'RE RECONVENING THE MEETING AND WE'RE MOVING ON TO NEW BUSINESS.
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THIS IS FOR THE APPLICANT IS REPRESENTED TONIGHT BY ANNA SANDERS, BSC CONSULTANTS.LOCATION IS EAST OF SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY.
NORTHWEST NORTH OF AND ADJACENT TO PAGE DRIVE NORTHWEST.
THE FUTURE LAND USE IS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
THE EXISTING ZONING IS PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT AND THE SIZE IS APPROXIMATELY 63.48 ACRES.
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EVERLANE'S PHASE THREE.THE PROPOSED PHASE WILL PROVIDE 104 40 FOOT WIDE LOTS, 106 50 FOOT WIDE LOTS.
8.27 ACRES OF THIS PHASE HAS BEEN SET ASIDE, TO PROVIDE A WIDE, LINEAR, OPEN SPACE WITH A NATURE TRAIL WHICH CONNECTS WITH THE SUBDIVISION'S EXTENSIVE SYSTEM OF TRAILS, SIDEWALKS, AND CROSSWALKS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.
STAFF. ALSO, THE PRELIMINARY PLAT WAS APPROVED ALONG WITH THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON OCTOBER 5TH, 2022 THROUGH ORDINANCE 2020 2-1 18 AND STAFF RECOMMENDS CASE FS 23 00013 FOR APPROVAL, SUBJECT TO THE STAFF COMMENTS AND THE REPORT.
DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SO THIS HAS NOT CHANGED FROM ITS ORIGINAL CORRECT PUD APPROVAL IN 2022? CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE. THE APPLICANT COME FORWARD.
GOOD EVENING. ANNA SAUNDERS WITH BSC CONSULTANTS.
I'M JUST HERE TO KIND OF SUPPLEMENT WHAT WAS SAID IN THE STAFF REPORT.
THERE ARE NO CHANGES TO THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.
CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION ALL THE STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE IS IN PLACE.
MASS GRADING OCCURRED JUST WORKING THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
WE AGREE WITH ALL OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND WE JUST RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL.
DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, MR. OLSZEWSKI? THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
IS THIS AN AGE RESTRICTED COMMUNITY? YES, SIR. AND, JUST TO ASK, FACE FORWARD AS WELL, THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.
SO ALL 840 UNITS OF WHAT IS CALLED TIMBERS, ALL ALL FOUR PHASES.
OKAY. SO TIMBERS AT EVERLAND HAS FOUR PHASES, TOTAL 840 OR SO UNITS.
AND IT'S ALL AGE RESTRICTED 55 PLUS.
YES, SIR. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE. FOR THE RECORD, THERE ARE NO LETTERS IN THE FILE ON THIS CASE.
THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE? MR.. MR..
BATTEN. BILL BATTEN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.
THIS IS THE QUESTION ON WAS THERE GOING TO BE MAIL KIOSKS IN EACH ONE OF THESE, OR ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE INDIVIDUAL MAILBOXES? JUST IT WAS JUST A CURIOSITY QUESTION BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING.
IF IT'S KIOSK, WHICH IS COMING, WHAT'S MORE POPULAR IN THE DEVELOPMENTS NOW? AND I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THEIR, PROPOSAL PLAN.
ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS PROJECT? SEEING NONE. WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE? SURE. NO PROBLEM. SO THE MAIL KIOSK IS ACTUALLY PART OF.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE AREN'T ALLOWED.
THE US POSTAL SERVICE HAS SORT OF DONE AWAY WITH INDIVIDUAL MAILBOXES.
SO WE DO HAVE A CENTRALIZED MAIL SYSTEM WHICH IS LOCATED AT THE AMENITY CENTER, WHICH HAPPENS TO BE LOCATED IN PHASE TWO, WHICH WAS PREVIOUSLY PLOTTED, APPROVED BY THIS BOARD, THE COUNCIL AND HAS BEEN RECORDED.
THE AMENITY CENTER IS CENTRALLY LOCATED.
SO AGAIN, IF YOU DIVIDE THAT PROPERTY, YOU KNOW NORTHEAST, IT'S RIGHT THERE IN THE DEAD MIDDLE.
OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THE FLOOR IS NOW CLOSED FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS AND BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR A MOTION OR OR A MOTION.
SO MOTION TO APPROVE FS 23 00013.
I'LL SECOND. MOTION AND A SECOND.
MR.. GOOD. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
AGAIN. THE APPLICANT IS REPRESENTED BY ANNA SANDERS, BSC CONSULTANTS.
LOCATION IS ACTUALLY EAST OF AND ADJACENT TO SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY.
NORTHWEST AND THE VICINITY SOUTH OF EMERSON DRIVE NORTHWEST.
FUTURE LAND USE HERE IS HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
EXISTING ZONING IS PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, AND IT'S APPROXIMATELY 58.91 ACRES.
AND THE APPLICANTS REQUESTING A FINAL PLAT APPROVAL TO ALLOW FOR PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION WITH 96 DUPLEX UNITS, 154 TOWNHOME UNITS TO BE CALLED TIMBERS AT EVELINE'S.
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AND PROVIDE 38.18% OF OPEN SPACE, WHICH IS MORE THAN THE REQUIRED MINIMUM OF 25%.THIS PHASE ALSO CONTAINS APPROXIMATELY FIVE FIVE ACRES OF WETLAND CONSERVATION AREA.
WITH ORDINANCE 2020 2-1 18 AND STAFF RECOMMENDS CASE FS 20 3-0014 FOR APPROVAL, SUBJECT TO THE STAFF COMMENTS CONTAINED IN THE REPORT.
THANK YOU. THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE FOR THE STAFF.
THANK YOU. ANNA SAUNDERS WITH BSC AGAIN.
PHASE FOUR. THIS IS THE FINAL PHASE OF DEVELOPMENT IN THIS COMMUNITY.
AGAIN, IT IS AGE RESTRICTED JUST AS THE PREVIOUS PHASES.
AS STAFF MENTIONED, IT IS OUR MULTIFAMILY COMPONENT.
SO IT'S GOT A COMBINATION OF VILLAS, FOUR PLEX AND SIX PLEX UNITS.
IT'S AT THE VERY NORTHERN END OF THE COMMUNITY.
SO JUST SOUTH OF EMERSON AGAIN, CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION, STORMWATER IS IN PLACE.
THANK YOU. DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT SEEING NONE.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS? NO COMMENTS.
IT'S BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD.
DO I HAVE A MOTION OR DISCUSSION? AGAIN, THIS IS A FINAL SUBDIVISION APPROVAL.
SO A MOTION TO APPROVE PHS 23 00014.
SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
SO IT'S THE TEXTUAL AMENDMENT TO THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TITLE.
WHAT IS THAT, 27, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE? I'M SORRY. 17. MY APOLOGIES.
LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, CHAPTER 185.118 ACCESSORY USES AND STRUCTURES MAKING APPLICABLE CHANGES PERTAINING TO USES, SETBACKS AND RE-ADDING METAL BUILDINGS.
SO THE THE THE WHAT STAFF BECAME AWARE OF WAS THE DIFFICULTY THAT THIS CODE WAS CAUSING TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OWNERS IN ITS APPLICATION.
WE REVIEWED IT WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, OF COURSE, AND WE ALL AGREED THAT THE CHANGES ARE MORE APPLICABLE AND EASILY IDENTIFIED FOR THE RESIDENTIAL, USERS LOT BUILDERS.
RIGHT? SO YOU HAVE THAT PRINCIPAL BUILDING.
IS THE HOUSE GENERALLY CORRECT.
AND THEY HAVE ESTABLISHED SETBACKS.
SO WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THOSE ESTABLISHED SETBACKS IN OUR CODE FOR OUR RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS AND MADE SURE THAT THERE WASN'T A CONFLICT, IN THIS CODE, IN REGARD TO THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, WE IDENTIFIED SEVERAL CONFLICTS.
WE'VE REMOVED THEM, ELIMINATED THEM.
IN ADDITION, METAL STRUCTURES AS AN ACCESSORY USE HAS ALWAYS BEEN IN YOUR CODE.
IT WAS REMOVED JUST LAST YEAR.
MANY, MANY, MANY COMPLAINTS BY INDIVIDUALS WHO USE METAL AS PART OF THE CARPORTS AND OVERSIZE GARAGES. THE CODE ALWAYS SUGGESTED OR STATED, NOT SUGGESTED OR REQUIRED THAT, THAT IT SHOULD BE.
THE STRUCTURE THAT'S DESIGNED TO SIMULATE NONMETAL CONSTRUCTION IS TREATED WITH A TEXTURED COATING ON ALL FOUR SIDES, OR IS PAINTED TO MATCH THE COLOR SCHEME OF THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE SO THEY DON'T REALLY LOOK LIKE METAL STRUCTURES.
AND THESE ARE ONLY FOR STRUCTURES THAT ARE OVER 300FT² OR OVER 12FT IN HEIGHT.
AND WE FEEL THAT WHAT IS PRESENTED TO YOU THIS EVENING IS, A GOOD, REMEDY TO THE PREVIOUS CODE, AND WE ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL.
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THANK YOU. DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I JUST HAVE A QUESTION. WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH SOME OF THE, STRUCTURES THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE? ARE THEY KIND OF GRANDFATHERED IN OR HOW? YES. SO PRIOR TO THE CODE CHANGE, METAL STRUCTURES WERE ALREADY IN PLACE, IN MANY AREAS.AND SO YES, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN GRANDFATHERED IN.
SO, YOU KNOW, NOW WE'RE MAKING THEM MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE, WITH THE ZONINGS THAT THEY'RE IN THE ZONES THAT THEY'RE IN THEIR RESIDENTIAL ZONES. GOTCHA.
OKAY. IN COMPLIANCE IS THE WORD.
MY HEAD. MR. OLSZEWSKI. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
THE FIRST WOULD BE, WHAT WAS THE INTENT OF ADDING IN THE LANGUAGE PERTAINING TO THE TEN FOOT REAR SETBACK? TEN FOOT IN ANY REAR LINE.
SO THAT WAS ALREADY IN THERE? NO. THAT WASN'T OH, LORD, I.
SO THEY HAD CARPORTS AT SOME OF THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE.
AND A LOT OF TIMES CARPORTS ARE IN THE SIDE SIDE YARD.
SO WE I CAN'T REMEMBER WHY WE PUT TEN FEET IN, BUT IT MADE SENSE FOR YOU.
WELL, THEY REQUIRED REAR YARD SETBACK IS ALWAYS TEN FEET, BUT IT WASN'T SPECIFIED.
SO YOU JUST TOOK THAT OUT AND YOU SPECIFIED IT WAS WITHIN TEN FEET OF ANY REAR PROPERTY LINE.
SO THAT MUST HAVE BEEN THERE WAS ANOTHER REASON AND I APOLOGIZE.
IT WAS IT WAS IN CONFLICT WITH WHAT EVERY, EVERY RESIDENTIAL ZONING WAS STATING.
SO THE REAR SETBACK IS TYPICALLY TEN FEET.
AND SO WE JUST MADE THAT STATEMENT OF TEN FEET BECAUSE EVERYBODY WAS CONFUSING IT WITH.
YOU KNOW, NON-CONFORMING ISSUES.
SO YEAH, IT'S REALLY A CLARIFICATION.
I APOLOGIZE, I WROTE IT A WHILE AGO.
I'M JUST A LITTLE CONFUSED BECAUSE IN A YARD THAT DOESN'T HAVE A UTILITY EASEMENT, YOU KNOW WHAT'S RESTRICTING TODAY THAN PUTTING A SHED, YOU KNOW, CLOSE TO THE BACK OF THEIR LINE? IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO RESPECT ALL THESE THINGS.
THEY CAN'T BE WITHIN TEN FEET.
WELL, THE TEN FEET ISN'T WRITTEN IN OUR CODE UNTIL WE APPROVE THIS ITEM.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
SO THAT'S THAT'S I THINK WHERE YOU'RE YOU ALWAYS HAVE A REAR YARD SETBACK.
GOTCHA. AND THE REAR YARD SETBACK IS TYPICALLY ABOUT TEN FEET OKAY.
OKAY. FRONT IS TYPICALLY ABOUT 20 TO 25 AND YOUR SIDES ARE USUALLY ABOUT FIVE.
SO YOU ALWAYS HAVE A REAR SETBACK REAR YARD SETBACK OF TEN FEET.
SO THAT ACCESSORY STRUCTURE CAN'T BE ANY CLOSER TO THEIR LOT LINE, BUT TEN FEET.
WHAT THE CONFUSION WAS COMING IS THAT THEY WERE SAYING FOR THE HOUSE AND SOMETIMES THE HOUSE.
WELL, JUST LOOKING AT LOGICALLY BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT MINIMUM YARD SETBACKS, USUALLY YOUR REAR IS 25FT.
BY ALLOWING IT, SHRINKING IT DOWN TO TEN, IT'LL ACCOMMODATE.
IF YOU WANT TO PUT A SHED FURTHER BACK IN YOUR BACK YARD.
BUT YOU'VE GOT TO MEET THAT TEN FOOT SETBACK FOR THAT ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AS OPPOSED TO HAVING YOUR SHED BE ALL THE WAY BACK 25, WHERE YOU MIGHT HAVE A YOU MIGHT HAVE A CASE WHERE YOUR PROPERTY, YOUR PRIMARY IS BUILT TO THE REAR, TO THE REAR SETBACK, AND NOW YOU HAVE NO ROOM FOR AN ACCESSORY USE IN YOUR REAR SETBACK, WHICH IS WHERE IT WOULD.
YOU WOULD WANT TO PUT IT IN THE REAR, AWAY FROM, FROM, YOU KNOW, FROM VIEW.
I KNOW ANY RESIDENTIAL HE'S, FOR EXAMPLE, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
NOW, IF I OR THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE CONFUSION.
SO YOU WERE TIED DOWN. SO YOU COULD EITHER IT WOULD BE ALMOST IF YOUR PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE WAS ACTUALLY SET BACK 25FT, YOU HAD NO ROOM IN YOUR BACK YARD FOR FOR AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. OKAY.
DID I MUDDLE THAT UP I SO APOLOGIZE.
SO WHAT KIND OF PROCESS EXISTS TO SHALL BE FOLLOWED FOR VARIANCES TO THIS? NO STANDARDS WILL BE THE SAME FOR VARIANCE.
SO THE CONFUSION THAT I HAVE IS THAT PEOPLE COME ALL THE TIME TO GET, EASEMENTS, ABANDONED VARIANCES TO OUR CODE TO PUT EITHER SHEDS OR IN THE MORE EXTREME CASE, POOLS INTO SETBACKS THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY NEED TO RESPECT THE 20.
THEY WISH TO ENCROACH UPON THAT.
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BUT I CAN'T PUT A SHED SIX FEET FROM MY PROPERTY LINE.SO YOU'RE GOING TO EXAMINE EVERY VARIANCE IS DONE IN A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
AND IT HAS TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR A VARIANCE TO BE ISSUED.
SO WILL SOMEONE HAVE THE ABILITY TO REQUEST A VARIANCE TO THIS STANDARD RIGHT HERE.
IF SOMEONE WANTS TO COME WITHIN THAT TEN FEET AND WANTS TO PUT A SHED SIX FEET FROM THEIR PROPERTY LINE, CAN THEY GO FORTH BEFORE THEIR COUNCIL AND ASK FOR A VARIANCE ON THEIR CASE BY CASE BASIS? IF THEY CAN MEET THE STANDARDS FOR A REQUEST, IF THEY CAN MEET THE STANDARDS FOR THE ISSUANCE OF A VARIANCE, WHICH IS SHOWING HARDSHIP.
RIGHT. AND A LOT OF THOSE THE TIMES THOSE EASEMENTS ARE WIDER THAN THE SETBACK.
SO THE EASEMENT, YOU HAVE A 20 FOOT EASEMENT IN YOUR YARD.
YOU WANT TO GO UP TO THAT TEN FOOT SETBACK, BUT YOU CAN'T BECAUSE YOU'RE BUILDING IN AN EASEMENT.
AND SO THEN YOU VACATE THE EASEMENT IF IT'S IF IT'S APPLICABLE.
WHY IS IT A HARDSHIP FOR THEM THAT THEIR POOL NEEDS TO GET FIVE FEET FROM THE LINE AND AND NOT TEN FEET? AND LET ME TELL YOU, AS WE APPROVED THESE 40 AND 50 FOOT LOTS, IT'S GOING TO BE VERY, VERY HARD FOR PEOPLE TO BE SQUEEZING POOLS INTO THE BACKYARD.
YEAH. NO, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND.
AND, SO AN ADDITIONAL QUESTION I HAVE, IF I MAY, MADAM CHAIR, THANK YOU.
I RECEIVED CITIZEN FEEDBACK, AND I KNOW THAT THE BOARD RECEIVED CITIZEN FEEDBACK.
THAT WAS FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, COUNTER TO HOW I INTERPRETED THINGS.
SO A CITIZEN REACHED OUT TO ME, CONCERNED THAT WE WERE RESTRICTING THE USE OF THESE STRUCTURES FOR RESIDENTIAL USES OR FOR SMALL BUSINESSES OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
I READ IT AS WE WERE REMOVING RESTRICTION AS SUCH, BUT I WOULD LIKE CLARIFICATION ON THAT.
WILL SOMEBODY BE ABLE TO PUT THEIR MOTHER IN LAW IN THIS ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THAT MATCHES EVERYTHING? WILL SOMEBODY BE ABLE TO RUN THEIR, THEIR SMALL, TAX ACCOUNTANT BUSINESS IN THEIR SMALL STRUCTURE WITH OF COURSE, NO TRAFFIC OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT CASE. MOTHER IN LAW SUITES FALL UNDER AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, AND THEN THEREFORE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE IN A ZONING IN A ZONING DISTRICT THAT PERMITS AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, AND THEN THEY'LL BE SUBJECT TO, WELL, YOU COULD TECHNICALLY HAVE AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT TEN FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, I GUESS, BUT THEY'LL SEPARATE REQUIREMENTS. ONE HOME OCCUPATIONS THAT'S GOING TO BE GOVERNED BY STATE STATUTE HAS BASICALLY PREEMPTED THE FIELD.
I CAN'T RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I KNOW THAT JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, WHEN I RECALL, THE STATE STATUTE STATES THAT YOU CANNOT HAVE A RETAIL TRANSACTION CONDUCTED ON AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE FROM A HOME OCCUPATION.
HOWEVER, THE STATE STATUTE IS NOT CLEAR AS TO WHETHER IF I BUILD A SHED, CAN I HAVE AN OFFICE IN MY SHED? I THINK THE THE LANGUAGE, IF I NARROWLY INTERPRET IT, I CAN HAVE MY OFFICE THERE, BUT I CANNOT HAVE A CRAFT BAKERY. AND THEN HAVE PEOPLE COME TO MY SHED TO BUY MY BAKED GOODS.
I MEAN, IT'S IT'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE LEGISLATURE JUST OVERREACHING AND TAKING AWAY, LOCAL, LOCAL HOME RULE WHERE TALLAHASSEE APPEARS TO THINK THEY KNOW BEST, BUT THEY HAVE MUDDLED THE FIELD SO MUCH NOW THAT IT'S STILL UNCLEAR IN THOSE REGARDS.
BUT STRUCTURALLY SPEAKING, I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO FALL INTO WHAT'S GOING TO BE DEEMED AN ACCESSORY USE, AND THEN IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO MEET THESE NEW SETBACKS THAT'S THAT ARE BEING AMENDED BY THIS CODE.
SO IS IT THE CITY'S INTENT TO RESTRICT PEOPLE FROM USING THEIR YARDS, HOW THEY SEE FIT AND THEIR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES THAT THEY SEE FIT? OR, YOU KNOW, TO YOUR POINT, MR. ATTORNEY, OR ARE YOU JUST SAYING, HEY, STATE LAW, STATE LAW AND THE CITY'S NOT INTENDING TO REGULATE FURTHER, IF ANYTHING LESS? MY COMMENTS ARE SOLELY LIMITED TO THE TO THE FIELD OF.
HOME OCCUPATIONS BECAUSE THAT WAS THE EXAMPLE THAT WAS RAISED.
SO IF YOU WERE TO PLOP DOWN, SAY, A FREESTANDING GARAGE, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU PUT IN A BATHROOM AND A KITCHEN IN YOUR FREESTANDING GARAGE, BUT THAT ZONING DISTRICT DOES NOT PERMIT AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO BE IN VIOLATION OF THE CODE.
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STRUCTURES. AND THEN WHEN WE SWITCH INTO ACCESSORY DWELLINGS, WE HAVE A WHOLE NOTHER SET OF RULES TO FOLLOW AND WHERE THINGS CAN BE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.THE THE THE CLEAR ANSWER FOR ALL THIS IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE IT DEPENDS.
RIGHT? AND A LOT WITH ONLY AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
THAT WOULD BE THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
IT'S ACCESSORY TO THE PRIMARY USE.
NOW, YOU CONFUSED ME BECAUSE WHY CODIFY THAT? BECAUSE I CAN'T HAVE A VACANT SINGLE FAMILY LOT AND PUT DOWN A SHED WITH NO ELECTRICITY.
I'M SORRY, I CAN'T PUT A SHED IN A SINGLE FAMILY LOT WITHOUT THERE BEING A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON IT.
BECAUSE THE SHED NEEDS TO BE DEFINED AS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
IT CAN'T BE UNLESS THERE'S A PRINCIPAL THERE THAT HAS TO BE ACCESSORY.
AS YOU SHOULD BE AWARE, ZONING CODES ARE CODES OF EXCLUSION.
SO IF IT'S NOT LISTED AS A PERMITTED USE IT'S PROHIBITED.
RIGHT. SO THEREFORE YOU CAN'T JUST HAVE A FREESTANDING SHED BY ITSELF.
SIMILARLY I CAN'T HAVE A VACANT SINGLE FAMILY LOT AND JUST PUT A SWIMMING POOL IN IT BY ITSELF.
RIGHT. SO AND THE BY NATURE, THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS DEPENDENT ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
IT'S AN ACCESSORY TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
AND AGAIN IF ANYBODY NEEDED TO DO SOMETHING FELT THEY NEEDED TO DO SOMETHING THROUGH HARDSHIP ABOVE AND BEYOND THESE, THE CODE THAT EXISTS TODAY OR THE CODE THAT WE MAY OR MAY NOT SEND TO COUNCIL FOR MODIFICATION, THERE'S A VARIANCE PROCESS THEY CAN FOLLOW, RIGHT? AS LONG AS THEY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS, THE CRITERIA FOR A VARIANCE, THEN IT'S THE PREROGATIVE OF THE BOARD WHETHER TO, OMIT, APPROVE OR DENY.
OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR, FOR ENTERTAINING ME THERE.
IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT FOR ME TO GET THAT CLARIFICATION TO MAKE AN EDUCATED DECISION.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? FOR THE RECORD, I RECEIVED AN EMAIL ON THIS CASE.
AND THERE ARE NO LETTERS IN THE FILE.
FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR AGAINST THIS REQUEST? YOU CAN FILL THAT COMMENT CARD OUT LATER.
JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
MY NAME IS ROY YOUNG, 1077 JUPITER BOULEVARD.
I HAVE A PERMIT SITTING WAITING FOR THIS COUNCIL TO ANSWER ON THIS BEHALF OF SIZE.
I'M TRYING TO PUT A 1200 SQUARE FOOT GARAGE UP.
I DO NOT HAVE A PURPOSE OF GARAGE ON MY HOME RIGHT NOW.
SO WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY WITH THE ADDITIONAL LOT TO PUT UP A GARAGE.
NOW WE FINALLY GET TO MAKE IT.
NOW WE CAN'T HAVE IT BECAUSE THE SIZE IS TOO BIG.
IT'S 1200 SQUARE FEET AND YOUR POINT SAYS 300FT² ON METAL BUILDINGS.
AND THAT'S WHY I'VE ALREADY WENT TO THE BILL.
THE CITY COUNCIL SPOKE WITH THE MAYOR.
I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING ELSE I CAN SAY, BUT IT NEEDS TO CHANGE BECAUSE I HAVE NO I HAVE NO GARAGE.
I HAVE NO SPACE TO PARK VEHICLES, WORK ON VEHICLES, WHATEVER.
YES, SIR. I'M SORRY, MR. BENTON. BILL BATTEN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST. VERY SIMILAR TO THE SAME SITUATION WITH THE MAN JUST TALKED ABOUT FOR THE SIZE OF WHAT WAS HAPPENING.
BECAUSE NEXT TO ME I HAVE PEOPLE THAT OWN A OWN A HOUSE AND THEY BOUGHT THE LOT NEXT TO THEM.
BUT THEY'RE NOT MOTHER IN LAW TOGETHER.
BUT THEY OWN BOTH OF THEM, AND THEY'RE STILL SIDE BY SIDE, BUT THEY'RE FACING THE SAME THING.
THEY MIGHT THEY CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN.
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AND. BUT YOU HAVE TO MEET HAS TO BE PAINTED AND STUFF TO MATCH, LIKE THE REGULAR BUILDING IF I'M READING IT CORRECTLY.SAME QUESTION IS WHAT HE HAD YOU.
SOMETIMES YOU NEED MORE SPACE AND IF YOU HAVE THE HAVE YOUR LAND AVAILABLE, IT JUST KIND OF HINDRANCE TO THOSE THAT NEED THE ABILITY TO HAVE A SHED IN A WORKSHOP.
IT'S BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD.
THAT WAS THAT WAS KIND OF MY SAME QUESTION OR CONCERN WAS, ARE WE ARE WE HOW ARE WE LOOKING AT THIS WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO THE ACREAGE? I MEAN, ARE WE IS THIS MOSTLY GEARED TOWARDS WHAT WE CURRENTLY KNOW OF AS THE POINT, THE POINT 33 ACRES OF LAND THAT YOU THAT YOU HAVE OR WE OR ARE WE LOOKING AT BEING ABLE TO EXPAND THIS TO.
IF YOU HAVEN'T, IF YOU HAVEN'T HAVE ANY HALF AN ACRE AND HALF AN ACRE LOT OR.
IT HAS TO ADDRESS AT 2.82 ACRES.
WE WE ARE STATING THAT METAL STRUCTURES ARE ALLOWED IN ALL OF THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING, RIGHT.
I'M SORRY. METAL ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, OVER 300FT² OR OVER 12FT IN HEIGHT ARE PROHIBITED IN RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS UNLESS THE STRUCTURE IS DESIGNED TO MATCH THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE.
SO WE ARE NOT RESTRICTING IT TO SPECIFIC RESIDENTIAL ZONING AREAS.
EXACTLY. AND SO WHEN THEY HAVE THESE ADJACENT LOTS, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DO THAT, THEY'LL BUY THE LOT BEHIND THEM OR THE LOT NEXT TO THEM, AND THEY WANT TO BUILD A, A LARGER STRUCTURE.
AND THIS WILL BE ALLOWED WITHIN ANY RESIDENTIAL ZONING.
AS LONG AS THEY HAVE THE ROOM AND THE SETBACKS, THEY CAN MEET THE SETBACKS.
THIS IS A QUESTION FOR BR STAFF.
SO THAT GENTLEMAN, DOES HE HAVE TO MARRY BOTH OF HIS LOTS TO BE ALLOWED TO PUT ANOTHER STRUCTURE? WE TYPICALLY WANT THEM TO BE JOINED.
AND SO WE DO ASK THEM TO GO UP TO BREVARD COUNTY AND TO JOIN THE LOTS.
IT'S NOT THAT LARGE OF A PROCESS.
AND SPLITTING THE LOT IS EASY IF THEY'RE BOTH BUILDABLE LOTS.
AND WHEN YOU HAVE THE PLATTED LOTS, IT'S EASY TO TO SHOW THAT.
AND YOU CAN SPLIT THEM PRETTY EASY.
SO YOU MIGHT KNOW NOT KNOW HIS INDIVIDUAL CASE, BUT WAS HE DENIED BECAUSE IT WAS GOING TO BE A AN ACCESSORY ON JUST A SEPARATE LOT? HE WAS NO HE WAS DENIED.
AND SO WE WENT BACK TO THE FORMER, CODE THAT YOU ALL HAD IN PLACE FOR MANY YEARS, WHICH AGAIN, THIS GENTLEMAN IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF THE BACKLOG OF THESE ISSUES THAT ARE OCCURRING RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S PROBABLY ABOUT 3 OR 4 OF THESE METAL BUILDINGS THAT PEOPLE HAVE, YOU KNOW, UNKNOWINGLY GONE AHEAD AND BROUGHT TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT FOR PERMITTING. AND YET THEY GET DENIED BECAUSE THEY NO LONGER MEET THE CODE.
YOU YOU ALWAYS HAD IN THE CODE, THESE METAL BUILDINGS AND THE ABILITY FOR THEM TO BE A CERTAIN SIZE AS LONG AS THEY AFTER A CERTAIN SIZE, THEY HAVE TO MEET THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. RIGHT.
AND SO THESE, THESE APPLICANTS OR THESE, THESE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY HAVE RIGHTFULLY GONE AHEAD THINKING THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO DO THIS BECAUSE, WELL, THERE'S A LOT OF EXAMPLES IN THE CITY.
AND THE CODE HAD BEEN CHANGED BACK IN, I THINK, AUGUST.
AND I'M TELLING YOU, THERE'S A BACKLOG OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND LIKE THIS GENTLEMAN WHO ARE COMPLAINING NOT ONLY TO STAFF BUT TO THE COUNCIL ABOUT NOT NO LONGER BEING ABLE TO PUT IN THEIR THEIR STRUCTURES. WASN'T IT ALWAYS A RULE OF THUMB? YOU COULD YOU COULD BUILD UP TO 80% OF YOUR PRIMARY SQUARE FOOTAGE.
IS THIS A CHANGE GOING TO HELP THAT GENTLEMAN?
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YES, SIR.IT WILL. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.
BOARD. CAN I HAVE A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE T 24 00001.
SECOND. MOTION AND SECOND BY MR. BOEREMA. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
I'M SORRY AND APOLOGIZE FOR THE MIX UP IN THE AGENDA.
I WILL, TRY TO BE ON TOP OF THAT MORE AGAIN, WE HAVE I ONLY OUR TWO PLANNERS STILL, AND THERE'S, UNBELIEVABLE, LEVEL OF APPLICATIONS COMING IN RIGHT NOW, SO BE PREPARED.
BUT.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.