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THERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT, I WANT TO USE THE GAVEL.
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LET'S CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.THIS IS MEETING 2020 402 OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE ADVISORY OVERSIGHT BOARD.
IT'S MONDAY, FEBRUARY 26TH AT 7 P.M..
COULD I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? LOGAN LEWIS HERE.
PRESENT. ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A QUORUM.
DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS THIS EVENING? NO. OKAY.
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MY NAME IS CHRIS EVERS AND THAT IS A MOUTHFUL.WE'VE GOT GOT THAT STARTED OFF RIGHT.
SO I AM WITH PAVEMENT TECHNOLOGY INC AND YOU MAY KNOW US FROM BEING INVOLVED IN THE TOP OF THE CURVE PAVEMENT PRESERVATION THROUGHOUT THE CITY AS YOU PRESERVE THE PAVEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN RESURFACED OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.
SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT ABOUT, AND IT IS CALLED THE CPR PHASE TWO IMPLEMENTATION GRANT.
SO WE'LL GET GET RIGHT INTO IT.
LET'S SEE IF MY CLICKER WORKS HERE.
SO WHAT WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT IS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THESE PAVEMENTS.
AND WE'RE GOING TO PLAY THIS SHORT VIDEO JUST SO YOU CAN SEE IT.
AND TODAY, BREAKTHROUGH TECHNOLOGIES ARE MAKING THAT POSSIBLE.
PAVEMENT TECHNOLOGY AND ITS MANUFACTURING PARTNER, DAD EMULSIONS, HAVE DEVELOPED SUSTAINABLE, ENVIRONMENTALLY RESPONSIBLE SOLUTIONS THAT REVITALIZE ASPHALT PAVEMENTS. WHEN COMBINED WITH PHOTOCATALYTIC PAVEMENT TECHNOLOGIES, PTI SOLUTIONS ALSO IMPROVE AIR QUALITY BY REMOVING POLLUTANTS RELATED TO VEHICLE EMISSIONS AND MITIGATING THE EFFECTS OF URBAN HEAT.
THE ROAD OF THE FUTURE IS AVAILABLE NOW.
NOW WE CAN ATTACK CLIMATE CHANGE ONE ROAD AT A TIME.
OKAY. SO MANY OF YOU KNOW, MOST OF US KNOW THAT TRANSPORTATION IS A IS A MAJOR DRIVER OF AIR POLLUTION, BOTH CO2 EMISSIONS, WHICH IS MORE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS, AND THEN SOME OF THE NOX EMISSIONS, WHICH ARE DRIVING VISUAL AIR POLLUTION LIKE SMOG.
SO WHAT IF WE CAN TAKE SOME OF THE PRESERVATION THAT CITY OF PALM BAY HAS ALREADY DOING TO EXTEND THE LIFE OF THEIR ASSETS AND TURN THAT INTO WHAT WE WOULD CALL A SINK, A CARBON AND AIR POLLUTION SINK, ABLE TO CAPTURE AND SEQUESTER THESE EMISSIONS.
SO CURRENTLY, THE CITY IS ALREADY DOING WHAT WOULD BE CALLED MOLECULAR REJUVENATION OR MR. IT'S ALSO KNOWN AS ASPHALT REJUVENATION.
AND THAT IS A CARBON AVOIDANCE STRATEGY.
MEANING IF THE BASICALLY IF THE ROADWAYS LAST LONGER, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO RESURFACE THOSE AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE EMISSIONS THAT OCCUR WHEN WE HAVE A LOT OF ROAD CONSTRUCTION.
SPECIFICALLY, IT'S CALLED TITANIUM DIOXIDE.
AND SO WE'LL GET A LITTLE BIT INTO THAT.
IT'S SCALING UP PRETTY AGGRESSIVELY.
HERE'S SOME OF THE CITIES AND, AND STATES THAT, THAT WE'VE BEEN PERFORMING THIS WORK ON.
NOW WHY ROAD CONSTRUCTION AND WHY PHOTOCATALYSIS THE REALLY THE PREMISE TO THIS IS THAT WE CAN GO RIGHT TO THE SOURCE THAT TAILPIPE IS THE SOURCE OF, AS YOU SAW, ABOUT 28% OF THE EMISSIONS IN THE AIR POLLUTION THAT'S OCCURRING IN THE COUNTRY.
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YOU REMEMBER PHOTOSYNTHESIS.PHOTOCATALYSIS IS A SIMILAR PROCESS WHEREBY THERE IS A CHEMICAL REACTION ON THE ROAD THAT'S OCCURRING THAT ENABLES THE PAVEMENT TO, IN ESSENCE, EAT SMOG.
AND IT DOES THAT BY CAPTURING AND DECOMPOSING THINGS LIKE CO2 AND NOX GAS.
SO AND ONCE IT'S DECOMPOSED, IT'S BASICALLY PLANT FOOD.
SO IT'S FEEDING THE NEAR ROAD VEGETATION OR THE RESIDENTS LAWNS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
SO THIS TAILPIPE EMISSION REDUCTION IS IN THE ANYWHERE FROM THE HIGH 30S TO HIGH 50% RANGE.
THESE ARE JUST A FEW OF THE TESTS THAT WE'VE DONE.
AND SO WHAT IF WE COULD TAKE EXISTING FUNDING, NEW FUNDING FROM THE EPA, THAT IS ABOUT $4.3 BILLION, AND WE COULD GET THOSE FUNDS TO PAY FOR THE PAVEMENT PRESERVATION THAT THE CITY OF PALM BAY IS ALREADY DOING.
THAT'S THE PREMISE, AND THAT'S WHAT THE DEPARTMENT YOU KNOW, WAS WAS EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY.
SO THESE GRANTS OCCUR ANYWHERE FROM $2 MILLION ALL THE WAY UP TO $500 MILLION.
NOW, THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT CITY OF PALM BAY WOULD QUALIFY FOR THAT KIND OF LEVEL.
OBVIOUSLY WE'D GO HAM WITH THAT.
THAT WOULD BE MORE FOR LIKE CALIFORNIA DOT AND THAT KIND OF LEVEL.
BUT THERE IS NO FUNDING MATCH REQUIRED.
AND SO THAT'S REALLY EXCITING.
SO THE OPPORTUNITY TO REDUCE SOME OF THESE EMISSIONS BY AS MUCH AS 60%.
AND AND YOU SEE THESE IN THESE THAT'S NOT EXHAUST EMISSIONS.
SO THAT IS IN A WAY OF TIRE WEAR AND BRAKE WEAR MICROPLASTICS.
THOSE GET DECOMPOSED AS WELL TO ABOUT 98%.
AND HERE, THIS IS JUST A NICE LITTLE WHOOPS.
IF IT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL, I GUESS NOT.
BUT IN ESSENCE, YOU SAW THE ANIMATION ALREADY WHERE THE RED SMOG IS REDUCED BY AROUND 40 TO 50%.
IT ALSO REDUCES WHAT'S CALLED THE URBAN HEAT ISLAND EFFECT.
SO WHEN YOU HAVE THAT SUN, THAT BRIGHT FLORIDA SUN BEATING DOWN ON THE PAVEMENT, IF WE CAN REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF THERMAL ENERGY THAT THAT ROAD IS ABSORBING, IT'S GOING TO EMIT LESS AT NIGHT.
AND SO JUST IMAGINE COOLER PAVEMENTS MEAN COOLER CITIES.
AND SO THAT'S THAT'S REALLY KEY.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING YOU MIGHT HAVE EVEN SEEN IN, IN THE CITY OR IN THE COUNTY.
THE MATERIAL THAT WE'RE PLACING HERE IS DIFFERENT.
IN FACT, IT'S IN SOME OF THE SUNSCREEN.
SO JUST SOME REAL BASICS AND THEN I'LL LEAVE IT OPEN FOR SOME QUESTIONS.
SO THESE CFG GRANTS AS I SAID THERE'S TWO PHASES.
WE'RE IN PHASE TWO. PHASE ONE WAS A PLANNING GRANT.
AND THE EAST CENTRAL FLORIDA REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL, WHO IS, YOU KNOW, HERE IN THE SPACE COAST AREA AND IN ORLANDO RECEIVED $1 MILLION FOR THIS PLANNING. THEY'RE CURRENTLY FINISHING WHAT'S CALLED THE PRIORITY CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, WHICH THIS WOULD INCLUDE.
SO THE NEXT PHASE IS THESE IMPLEMENTATION GRANTS.
SO MUCH OF THE PUBLIC WORKS STAFF WOULD WORK WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH BOTH US AND OTHER ENTITIES TO INCLUDING THE REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL TO GET THESE GRANTS IN.
IT'S A COMPETITION SO ANYONE CAN GO IN AND APPLY AS LONG AS THEY'RE IN THESE ELIGIBLE ENTITIES OR ELIGIBLE CITIES, THERE'S ABOUT 67 CITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY, AND IT'S JUST THE LARGEST CITIES IN THE COUNTRY THAT REALLY HAVE A LOT OF THE AIR POLLUTION TO TACKLE.
SO THAT'S WHAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND SO HERE'S SOME OF THE SLIDES.
THIS TALKS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ELIGIBILITY AND THE FUNDING.
AND THIS IS IMPORTANT TO SEE THOSE LOWER TIERS.
TIERS D AND E ARE DESIGNED FOR CITIES AND COUNTIES.
AND THEN THOSE UPPER TIERS, OBVIOUSLY WHEN YOU GET INTO THE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS, THOSE ARE REALLY INTENDED FOR LARGE DOTS LIKE CALTRANS OR NEW YORK DOT OR THOSE KINDS OF PLACES. BUT EVEN THOSE LOWER TIERS CAN GO ALL THE WAY UP TO $50 MILLION, WHICH WOULD FUND A FIVE YEAR PAVEMENT PRESERVATION PROGRAM.
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HAVING YOU KNOW, LOWERING EMISSIONS.SO AGAIN, JUST SOME OF THE CRITERIA I WANTED TO POINT THIS OUT.
AND THEN HERE ARE ALL THE ENTITIES THAT WOULD BE COMPETING.
AND SO THIS GIVES YOU KIND OF SOME IDEA.
YOU CAN SEE THERE'S ONLY FIVE METRO AREAS WITHIN FLORIDA THAT ARE ELIGIBLE.
SO AND FOR THIS TECHNOLOGY, PALM BAY AND BREVARD COUNTY WOULD BE THE ONLY AGENCIES IN FLORIDA REALLY COMPETING WITH THIS TYPE OF A TECHNOLOGY. SO THAT'S WHAT'S IMPORTANT.
THERE'S COALITIONS THAT YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, BUILD AND THERE'S CERTAIN SCORING THAT OCCURS.
THE SCORING IS NOT AS IMPORTANT TONIGHT, BUT JUST SUFFICE IT TO SAY THAT MANY OF THE AREAS WHERE YOU CAN SCORE POINTS ALSO INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, HELPING WITH THE GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTION MEASURES AND BEING ABLE TO DO THAT OVER TIME.
AS YOU KNOW, IF YOU PLANT A TREE, THAT'S GREAT.
IT'S GOING TO, YOU KNOW, ALSO SEQUESTER THESE EMISSIONS.
BUT A TREE COULD TAKE TEN YEARS TO GROW.
AND THIS TECHNOLOGY BASICALLY IS, IS CAPTURING EMISSIONS ON DAY ONE.
SO THAT'S WHAT'S PRETTY EXCITING ABOUT THE TECHNOLOGY.
THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF VEGETATION.
AND SO THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE THERE REALLY IS SOME EQUITY COMPONENTS TO THIS.
AND THAT IS IMPORTANT FOR EPA.
SO WE CAN USE ONE OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE SCREENING TOOLS TO HELP WITH THAT.
AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD BE HELPING THE CITY WITH.
THERE'S THE APPLICATION DEADLINE.
SO THAT'S WHEN THIS WOULD NEED TO BE APPLIED FOR.
AND THEN THE NOTIFICATION AWARDS THIS SUMMER.
AND THEN THE MONEY GETS DEPLOYED IN OCTOBER 2024, WHICH IS FISCAL YEAR 2025 FOR PALM BAY.
AND THEN THAT WOULD STRETCH ALL THE WAY TO JUST SHY OF 2030.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE PHASED IN OVER TIME AND COULD PROVIDE SOME SIGNIFICANT YOU KNOW, ADVANTAGE TO THE CITY AND THE COMMUNITY PLANNING TOOLS. IT JUST SHOWS WE CAN USE THESE CENSUS BLOCK PLANNING TOOLS TO TARGET, YOU KNOW, DISADVANTAGED AND LOW INCOME AREAS VERY EFFECTIVELY.
SO THERE'S TWO TOOLS THAT WE USE.
WE OVERLAY SOME OF THE STREET MAPPING THAT THE CITY ALREADY HAS, AND WE CAN TARGET THESE COMMUNITIES AND PROVIDE THE MOST RELIEF TO THEM IN MOST RAPID FASHION.
SO REALLY, JUST A FINAL THOUGHT BEFORE.
SO A LOT OF POTENTIAL COST SAVINGS.
SO WE LOOKED AT JUST IN THAT REALLY SHOULD SAY 2025, BUT COULD BE UPWARDS OF A $2 MILLION SAVINGS JUST FOR THE CITY OF PALM BAY IN FY 2025. SO AND THAT IS IT.
IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
HI. I HAVE A COUPLE, SO I SAW YOU HAD A LIST OF.
YOU SAID IT WAS, YOU KNOW, SCALING PRETTY FAST.
HOW LONG HAS THIS BEEN INTO PLAY? LIKE, SO, LIKE, I UNDERSTAND SCALABLE, BUT ARE THESE NEW, LIKE, HAVE WE SEEN THIS BEEN OUT FOR THREE, FIVE, TEN YEARS TO TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT.
YEAH. SO THE PROCESS WAS DEVELOPED BACK IN 2015, 2016.
SO OUR FIRST PROJECT HERE IN FLORIDA WAS IN 2016.
THE FIRST MAJOR ROADWAY WAS IN 2018, IN IN FLORIDA.
AND THEN SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECTS AND OTHER STATES WERE DONE IN 2017.
SO WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO TRACK IT FOR 5 OR 6 YEARS NOW.
AND THE EFFECT REALLY RETAINS ABOUT 85 TO 90% OF ITS EFFICIENCY EVEN FIVE YEARS LATER.
SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE TO REDO EVERY YEAR.
THAT'S SOMETHING I DIDN'T REALLY MENTION.
AND SO THEY'VE BEEN MONITORING THIS.
THEY'RE KIND OF OUR ACADEMIC RESEARCH PARTNERS.
FDOT HAS ALSO DONE A TEST ON IT.
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SO WE'RE WORKING WITH SOME OF THE LARGEST ENTITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY, ANYWHERE FROM FEDERAL TO STATE TO LOCAL.AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT BE DOWN IN DELRAY BEACH, A PROJECT THAT THEY DID BACK IN 2020, ALL THE WAY TO LIKE, LARGE CITIES, LIKE CITY OF CHARLOTTE, CITY OF RALEIGH, DURHAM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE COMMUNITIES CINCINNATI, OHIO, ARIZONA, LIKE PHOENIX AND TEMPE AND TUCSON.
SO. SO THAT'S WHERE YOU'VE REALLY SEEN IT SCALE, I WOULD SAY SINCE 2020, IT'S IT'S PICKED UP SPEED.
ARE THEY APPLYING ON BEHALF OF THE CITY IN PARTNERSHIP, OR IS IT OUR COUNTY OR BOTH? THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION. SO THEY RECEIVED WHAT'S CALLED THE PHASE ONE, WHICH IS THE PLANNING GRANT THE MILLION DOLLARS, AND THEN THE CITY AND COUNTY LIKE THERE IT'S IT'S UP TO THEM TO APPLY DIRECTLY TO THE EPA.
SO CITY OF PALM BAY TURNED IN A NOTICE OF INTENT, NON-BINDING NOTICE OF INTENT ON FEBRUARY 1ST AND THAT, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY KIND OF RESERVED THEIR SPOT IN LINE, IF YOU WILL, WITH THE EPA.
BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS THEY DON'T HAVE TO SUBMIT THIS TO DOT OR THE REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL.
THEY CAN GO DIRECTLY TO THE EPA AND GET YOU KNOW, INTO THE COMPETITION THAT WAY.
I KNOW THAT WITH THE GRANT FUNDING FROM THE EPA, I'M WORKING WITH A DIFFERENT PROJECT, AND I KNOW THAT A PART OF THE FUNDING HAS TO DEAL WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE ACT, THE JUSTICE 40 INITIATIVE.
HOW DO YOU SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, WHEN YOU TOOK A LOOK AT THE MAPS HOW DO YOU MEASURE OR ALLOCATE THE FACT OF SAYING LIKE, YES, WE'RE GOING TO ENSURE THAT THIS HELPS THESE AREAS WHILE IT'S ALSO STILL HELPING THE OTHER AREAS AS WELL, LIKE HOW DO YOU SHOWCASE THAT DIFFERENCE? THE NICE THING IS WITH THAT ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE SCREENING TOOL, WHICH WE'VE HAD EXPERIENCE USING, WE CAN ACTUALLY PUT IN AND WE WANT TO TARGET THAT 90% THRESHOLD.
THERE IS 40% OF THE TOTAL PROJECT, BUT WE WANT TO LOOK AT THE 90% AREAS EITHER IN LOW INCOME YOU KNOW, OR THE SOCIOECONOMIC, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY HAVE THERE OR DEMOGRAPHIC. AND SO WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO IS TAKE THE MAP, BECAUSE THE CITY OF PALM BAY IS IN THE MIDST OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU KNOW, PROGRAM.
A LOT OF THESE ROADS HAVE BEEN RESURFACED AND ARE ELIGIBLE.
BUT A LOT OF THE ROADS, YOU GUYS HAVE DONE SO MUCH, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE'S A LOT OF THESE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE ALREADY ELIGIBLE, MEANING WE'RE ALREADY PRESERVING THESE ROADS OR THEY'RE ON THE LIST TO PRESERVE THEM.
SO THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT IT'S VERY IT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF THE EASIEST WAYS TO TARGET IT.
IF YOU LOOK AT SOLAR PROJECTS OR SOMETHING ELSE, YOU KNOW, WHO'S TO SAY THAT A COMMUNITY WANTS THAT IN THEIR COMMUNITY? I MEAN, WE'RE ASSUMING THEY DO.
BUT, YOU KNOW, DO DO THEY WANT SOMETHING ON THEIR ROOF? DO THEY WANT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE, YOU KNOW, PROJECTS, SOME OF THESE ALSO ARE LIKE FOR OTHER CITIES ELECTRIC LAWN MOWERS.
SO THIS THE ROAD IS THERE FOR PERPETUITY.
LET'S HOPE IF WE DO OUR JOB RIGHT.
AND SO IT'S HELPING THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, EVERY DAY THAT IT'S THAT IT'S IN SERVICE.
SO IT'S WE THINK THAT THIS TYPE OF APPROACH IS VERY NOVEL AND GOT A LOT OF GOOD FEEDBACK FROM FEDERAL HIGHWAY TO SAY, YEAH, THIS IS THIS IS, YOU KNOW, A REALLY IMPRESSIVE THING.
YES, MADAM CHAIR. FIRST OF ALL, I'LL START OFF BY SAYING I'M ALL FOR THIS.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF IT HELPING TO FUND SOME OF OUR ROAD MAINTENANCE.
HOWEVER, THERE'S A DEVIL ADVOCATE SIDE TO ME THAT HAS A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
ABSOLUTELY. ONE IS I SEE THIS AS A PRODUCT OF DIMINISHING RETURNS.
AS WE'RE MOVING MORE AND MORE TO ELECTRIC VEHICLES, THERE'S LESS SMOG.
A SOLUTION LOOKING FOR A PROBLEM.
THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO PUT IT, ACTUALLY.
AND I'M A BIG FAN OF, YOU KNOW, EVS.
IT'S EXCITING. WE'RE ONLY AT ABOUT 6% ADOPTION RIGHT NOW.
AND SO WITH THE COST OF OF EVS COMING DOWN, THAT'S GOING TO HELP.
AND THEN THERE'S A CHARGING INEQUITIES WITH THE WAY WE CHARGE THESE VEHICLES.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S CALLED ROAD ASSOCIATED MICROPLASTIC PARTICLES.
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AND EVS ACTUALLY GENERATE MORE OF THOSE.AND SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET RID OF ALL OF OUR EMISSIONS PROBLEMS. THOSE ARE CALLED NON EXHAUST EMISSIONS.
AND EVS WILL ACTUALLY EXACERBATE THAT.
SO ALL OF THE PROTEINS THAT WE INGEST, THEY ALL HAVE MICROPLASTICS IN THEM.
SO THAT LED RIGHT INTO MY HEART WAS THE ADDITIONAL ROAD WEAR DUE TO EVS? IS ANYBODY WORKING ON A PRODUCT TO MITIGATE THAT? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
THEY HAVE SOMETHING CALLED THE ENVIRONMENTAL PRODUCT DECLARATION.
AND SO THOSE WILL MANDATE, ALMOST LIKE NUTRITIONAL LABELING AT A AT A RESTAURANT WHERE YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE IF I'M A SUPPLIER OF A PRODUCT, I HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SAY HOW MUCH GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS WERE YOU KNOW, EMITTED PRODUCING THIS PRODUCT, LET'S SAY.
AND SO THAT'S KIND OF STEP ONE.
AND THEN THEY'LL GO TO THAT LEVEL.
SO WE'RE NOT AT THAT POINT YET, BUT IT'S KIND OF IMPLIED THAT THAT'S WHERE IT'LL GO.
SO WE JUST DON'T KNOW MUCH BEYOND THAT.
MY ONLY QUESTION ARE YOU THE ONLY VENDOR THAT PROVIDES THIS TYPE OF SERVICE? SO PHOTOCATALYSIS WAS DISCOVERED IN THE 1970S.
IN FACT, THERE ARE OTHER COMPANIES THAT THEY DON'T ATTACK THE ROADS.
WE'RE KIND OF UNIQUE IN THAT REGARD.
BUT LIKE DOW DOW CHEMICAL YOU KNOW, ALCOA, THEY HAVE LIKE AN ALUMINUM THAT EATS SMOG.
THERE'S A PAINT COMPANIES THAT HAVE PRODUCTS THAT EAT SMOG.
THERE'S ALSO A ROOFING COMPANY THAT PRODUCES WHAT'S CALLED MONOXIDE AND IT EATS SMOG.
THERE'S EVEN BILLBOARDS THAT ARE USED WITH PAINT THAT EAT SMOG.
SO PHOTOCATALYSIS CAN'T BE PATENTED PER SE.
SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS COME UP WITH A NOVEL WAY TO DELIVER THIS TO THE ROADWAY.
AND SO THERE'S SOME PRODUCT PROTECTIONS AROUND THE INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY FOR THAT.
BUT IT'S NOT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WRITTEN INTO A POLICY THAT MANDATES ONLY ONE PRODUCT USE.
IT'S MORE OPEN SOURCE, IF YOU WILL.
OKAY. SO I GUESS MY CONCERN IS FROM A COMPETITIVE PROCUREMENT STANDPOINT, IF YOU'RE ASSISTING THE CITY WITH WRITING A GRANT APPLICATION FOR, THEN I WOULD PRESUME THAT MAKES YOU INELIGIBLE TO BID ON ANY TYPE OF PROJECT.
SO IT'S NOT SO MUCH AS THAT WE'RE ONCE THEY OPEN IT UP, IF THERE'S A IF THERE'S A COMPETITION AND IT'S BID OUT THERE COULD BE MULTIPLE CONTRACTORS THAT THAT COULD GO AFTER THAT, POTENTIALLY.
BUT ONE OF THE IMPORTANT THINGS TO LOOK AT IS THAT THERE'S A PERFORMANCE SPECIFICATION.
THIS IS ALREADY KIND OF AN OFFSHOOT OF A PRODUCT THAT'S ALREADY BEING USED IN PALM BAY.
AND THEN THE OTHER IMPORTANT THING TO LOOK AT, WHICH WE THINK IS, IS IS KEY IS EVEN FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION THEY DON'T YOU KNOW, PRECLUDE PRODUCTS THAT HAVE PATENTS THEY USE, YOU KNOW, PATENTED PRODUCTS ALL THE TIME.
THEY JUST HAVE RULES AROUND THE PROCUREMENT OF IT.
SO AS LONG AS IT'S BID YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, A LOT OF THE LINE STRIPING THAT YOU USE, THOSE STRIPES THE THERMOPLASTIC THAT THERE'S PROPRIETARY PRODUCTS IN THAT, BUT IT'S BID.
SO. RIGHT. SO I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS MY CONCERN IS YOUR INVOLVEMENT WITH THE GRANT APPLICATION, WITH THE CITY ON THE FOREFRONT OF THAT, I WOULD PRESUME, WOULD MAKE YOU INELIGIBLE TO BID ON A PROJECT IN THE FUTURE.
WE HAVEN'T MY ONLY CAUTION. WE HAVEN'T BEEN TOLD THAT WHAT WE'RE ASSISTING ON IS NOT SUPPLYING ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE THE DOCUMENTS THAT TALK ABOUT THE PRODUCT, MEANING IT'S OPEN SOURCE.
THESE ARE ALL PUBLIC DOCUMENTS.
YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY TRADEMARKED, YOU KNOW, LANGUAGE IN IT.
IT'S NOTHING, YOU KNOW, IN THERE.
THAT'S THAT'S REALLY I GUESS, PRECLUDING ANY OTHER INVOLVEMENT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
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AND SO I'M WORKING ON A GRANT THAT'S SIMILAR WITH THE EPA AS A.CONTRACTOR. THAT'S A PART OF IT.
AND IT IS LIKE A IT'S IT'S A COMPETITION.
AND SO IT'S THEY BRING A LOT OF THE PEOPLE TO THE TABLE ORIGINALLY FIRST AND THEN KIND OF PICK AND CHOOSE WHO THEY WANT AT THAT TABLE, AND THEN THEY GO AFTER THE COMPETITION THAT WAY, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN I'VE, I'VE SEEN OTHER GRANTS GO.
IT IS DIFFERENT. BUT I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IN THE FUTURE.
I'M TALKING MORE FROM A CITY OF PALM BAY PROCUREMENT POLICY PERSPECTIVE.
IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PROPRIETARY MATERIALS.
IT'S A SLIPPERY SLOPE TO THEN.
YEAH. I'M JUST SAYING TO MORE TO STAFF, I THINK TO EXERCISE CAUTION AS YOU GO THROUGH THAT.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, YOU BRING THE INNOVATION.
YOU KNOW, THEY SAY, OKAY, WE WANT WAYS TO CAPTURE CARBON AND DO THESE BIG THINGS.
SO THAT'S I THINK WHY AND I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.
SO IT'S NOT FOLLOWING A LOT OF THE SAME MODELS THAT YOU KNOW, THAT THAT THE OTHER ONES DO.
THAT'S THE WAY I WAS EXPLAINED TO ME.
SO THE THING THAT MANDATES THAT IS, IS WHAT WE LOOK AT IS THE SAFETY DATA SHEET.
AND SO ALL OF THAT HAD TO GO THROUGH, YOU KNOW, STRENUOUS.
AND WE HAVE TO SEND THAT TO A THIRD PARTY THAT ANALYZES THAT.
AND SO WHAT YOU LOOK FOR IS LIKE ZERO ZERO WOULD BE THE BEST.
AND THAT THERE'S NO KNOWN YOU KNOW, EFFECT, DETRIMENTAL EFFECT TO HUMAN HEALTH OR THE ENVIRONMENT.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT THIS WAS FOUND.
THEY'RE KIND OF THE LEADERS IN THAT SPACE.
SO WE ACTUALLY HAD TO GO THROUGH SEPARATE TESTING FOR THAT AND PASS THAT AS WELL.
SO A LOT OF THIS IS IN SOME OF THE PRODUCTS THAT YOU'RE ALREADY USING, YOU KNOW, IN CLOSE CONCERT.
SO CREST 3D WHITE TOOTHPASTE HAS TITANIUM DIOXIDE IN IT.
HIGH SPF SUNSCREEN DOES IT'S USED IN PAINTS FREQUENTLY.
WHICH IS GOOD. WE DON'T WANT TO DO HARM.
OBVIOUSLY. WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT WE STAY ON TOP OF THAT.
SO. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. I'M SEEING NONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. MADAM CHAIR.
MISSING FROM THE AGENDA WAS THE OR.
EXCUSE ME, THE ADOPTION OF MINUTES, OR DID WE SKIP OVER IT? YEAH, WE DID ADOPT. I SKIPPED IT AGAIN.
I THINK I DID IT ALL THE TIME MYSELF.
NOT A BIG DEAL. I THINK I SKIPPED IT LAST TIME TOO.
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ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO BACK TO ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES OF MEETING 2020 401 FROM JANUARY 22ND, 2024.I HAVE A MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND.
SECOND. A MOTION AND A SECOND.
AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I'M SEEING NONE, I VOTE I AND THAT MOTION PASSES.
WHAT DIDN'T MAKE THE AGENDA IS TONIGHT, WE WERE SUPPOSED TO TALK ABOUT THE UTILITY.
JUST SO THERE WAS CITIZEN OVERSIGHT FOR UTILITIES AND IT DIDN'T MAKE IT TO THE AGENDA.
AND BY THE TIME I REALIZED IT WASN'T ON THE AGENDA, IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ADVERTISED LONG ENOUGH TO.
THE MATTER. SO WE DO WANT TO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I DO.
I DO HAVE A RESPONSE TO THAT, IF I MAY.
WE DID ASK AND CITY MANAGER EXPLAINED THAT THE PRIMARY FUNCTION OF THIS BOARD IS TO ADVISE AND ASSIST THE CITY COUNCIL, CITY MANAGER AND CITY STAFF IN MATTERS RELATING TO CONSTRUCTION, RECONSTRUCTION AND MAINTENANCE OF CITY ROADS, SIDEWALKS AND STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND DEVELOPING A MULTI YEAR PLANNING STRATEGY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE MAINTENANCE, CONSTRUCTION AND RECONSTRUCTION UTILITIES IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE PURPOSE OF THIS BOARD AND IT WOULD BE A POLICY DECISION THAT STAFF CANNOT MAKE.
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IT WAS ALSO A POLICY DECISION THAT COUNCIL MADE TO ELIMINATE THE PRIOR UTILITY ADVISORY BOARD.AND THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT CONTINUES TO PROVIDE UPDATES DIRECTLY TO CITY COUNCIL AT REGULAR COUNCIL MEETINGS TO SHARE PROGRESS ON SEPTIC TO SEWER PLANS, ETC..
IF YOU WISH THE UTILITIES DIRECTOR TO PROVIDE.
PERIODIC HIGH LEVEL PRESENTATIONS TO THE BOARD.
WE CAN REQUEST THAT, BUT IT IS NOT CURRENTLY A PART OF THE SCOPE.
I'LL TAKE A DIFFERENT DIRECTION.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ACTUALLY GOING BACKWARDS.
DID WE GET THAT PRESENTATION SENT TO US? AND THEN IF NOT, ARE WE ALLOWED TO HAVE THIS PRESENTATION? PUBLIC RECORD NOW.
OKAY. WE CAN SEND THAT TO EACH MEMBER OF THE BOARD.
THAT WOULD BE GREAT. WE CANNOT EMAIL THIS PRESENTATION OUT IS TOO BIG OF A FILE.
ONLY OUR IT COULD GET THIS UPLOADED.
SO. YEAH, THIS IS TOO LARGE OF A PRESENTATION TO BE ABLE TO EMAIL OUT.
COULD YOU PDF IT? MAYBE THAT WAS JUST SORRY.
SURE. OKAY. AND MAYBE NOT IN POWERPOINT FORM, BUT JUST SO WE HAVE THE THE DATA IN IT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD.
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NO. OKAY. MR. BATTEN, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? GO AHEAD. BILL BATTEN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS REGARDING THE PRODUCT.
THE FIRST ONE IS REDUCTION OF CO2.
JUST. JUST BECAUSE I'M THE DOUBTING TOM THAT I AM.
WHAT'S THE IMPACT OF REDUCING THAT CO2 ON THE PLANT LIFE? SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
IF WE START REDUCING ALL THE CO2, WE LOSE ALL THE PLANTS.
WE LOSE ALL THE PLANTS, WE LOSE THE ENVIRONMENT.
AND AND THAT LEADS INTO THE PORTION THAT CAN THIS BE APPLIED OVER OUR TREATED ROADS.
IS THERE SOME KIND OF A CHEMICAL REACTION FROM WHAT WE'RE TREATING THE ROADS WITH, WITH WHAT THIS CHEMICAL WOULD BE DOING? RIGHT. THE OTHER ONE WAS I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT PRESENTED ANY KIND OF COST THAT WOULD BE PER MILE OF WHAT THIS IS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
WELL, I'M LOOKING AT 800 MILES OF ROAD.
WAS ARE WE LOOKING AT THE ROAD MAINTENANCE PROGRAM FOR MAINTAINING OUR ROADS, OR ARE WE LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE FOR AN ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION OF, YOU KNOW, WHICH ONE ARE WE TRYING TO LOOK FOR HERE? BECAUSE I CAN SEE IT AS DUELING DUELING RESOURCES EVENTUALLY.
BECAUSE WHEN THE GRANT WEARS OUT, IF WE STARTED APPLYING THIS, THEY SAY, WELL, YOU STARTED IT.
WELL, WE ONLY GET THE GRANT ONCE.
WHEN THAT'S DONE, WHAT HAVE WE ACCOMPLISHED? ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO START SAYING, OUT OF THE $6 MILLION THAT WE'RE SETTING ASIDE ANNUALLY FOR OUR ROAD MAINTENANCE, DO WE NOW HAVE TO USE THAT TO COMPETE WITH APPLYING THIS APPLICATION OVER THE TOP OF OUR ROAD MAINTENANCE? BUT THAT'S FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE ADVISORY BOARD FOR THE ROADS TO CONSIDER.
SO THAT WAS MY INPUT ON THIS ONE.
AND REMEMBER THAT IT HAS TO BE APPLIED, HE SAID.
EVERY FIVE YEARS, 800 MILES EVERY FIVE YEARS AT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT COST.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? I DID WANT TO ASK A QUESTION.
I BELIEVE THE MAY MEETING IS SCHEDULED ON MEMORIAL DAY.
SO JUST IF WE COULD TAKE A LOOK.
I ALWAYS THINK IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY ACTION ITEMS, BUT I JUST NOTE I BELIEVE THAT'S ON THE HOLIDAY.
SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT ON STAFF'S RADAR FOR THE FUTURE.
SO I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS.
SO WE WILL GO AHEAD AND ADJOURN THE MEETING AT 734 NON-APPLE TIME.
THANK YOU. I'M SORRY, DID YOU WANT TO DISCUSS AGENDA REQUEST FOR FUTURE MEETINGS? OH, I THOUGHT WE DIDN'T. WE WEREN'T GETTING IT.
I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY. NO. THAT'S OKAY.
DO WE HAVE. I WASN'T HEARING ANY.
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OKAY. NO.SO NOW WE'LL ADJOURN IT. THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.