READY? ALL RIGHT, LET'S CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
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THIS IS THE 2020 403 MEETING OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ADVISORY BOARD.THIS IS WEDNESDAY, MARCH 20TH, 2024.
COULD WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? SURE. PRESENT BY SHARED BITTER HERE.
[ADOPTION OF MINUTES]
NEXT, WE HAVE ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING.DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THAT? I'LL PLACE THE MOTION ON THE.
WE HAVE A MOTION. AND A SECOND.
AYE. OPPOSED? I'M SEEING NONE, AND I VOTE I AND THAT MOTION PASSES.
NEXT WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS. I'M SEEING NONE.
AND THEN WE'LL MOVE INTO NEW BUSINESS.
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OUR FIRST ITEM IS A SOUTH BREVARD WOMEN'S CENTER REQUEST FOR SHIP FUNDING.ALL RIGHT. YAY! IS STAFF GOING TO MAKE A PRESENTATION ON IT? OKAY. GOOD EVENING.
SO WE HAVE WE DID CIRCULATE THEIR A REQUEST FOR FUNDING AND SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS.
I'M NOT SURE IF YOU WANTED TO SAY A FEW WORDS OR IF WHAT WE SUBMITTED IS SUFFICIENT FOR YOU GUYS.
I THINK SHE DID GIVE US A PRESENTATION AT THE LAST MEETING.
DID ANYONE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ON THAT APPLICATION? NO, I JUST HAD A COUPLE JUST OKAY.
SO I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE.
IT'S THE FOUR PLEX, RIGHT? FOUR PLEX. YEAH, THERE'S TWO BUILDINGS.
THERE'S TWO BUILDINGS, EACH WITH FOUR UNITS.
NOW DO YOU HAVE ANY FUNDING COMING FROM ANYWHERE ELSE.
BECAUSE JUST FROM DOING RE REHAB, I MEAN $270,000 IS A SMALL REQUEST FOR A REHAB OF FOUR UNITS.
FOUR UNITS. WE HAVE SOME THAT WE CAN LEVERAGE FROM OUR RESERVES.
OKAY. BUT NO OTHER OUTSIDE FUNDING.
NO. AND WE HAVE HAD WE HAVE A COUPLE OF CORPORATE GRANTS THAT WILL GO TOWARDS THAT TOO.
AND DO YOU HAVE YOU RECEIVED A BID FOR THE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE? NO. WE HAD IT LOOKED AT ABOUT A YEAR AGO AND GOT THOSE ESTIMATES THEN AND HAD A CONTRACTOR COME THROUGH AT THAT POINT, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH FUNDING TO SECURE IT AT THAT TIME.
SO. AND IS YOUR CONTRACTOR DONATING THE TIME OR IS HE BEING PAID AS WELL? HE WILL GET PAID SOME, BUT WE WILL PUT IT OUT TO BID AGAIN.
AND WHEN ARE YOU PROJECTING TO IF YOU RECEIVE THIS FUNDING? HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE HER TO ACTUALLY RECEIVE THE FUNDS FROM THE CITY? SO ONCE THE BOARD RECOMMENDS, THEN IT WOULD HAVE TO GO TO COUNCIL.
AND WE WERE THINKING OF TAKING THAT IN MAY OKAY, APRIL, MAY TIME FRAME OKAY.
AND SO THEN IF COUNCIL APPROVES THAT THEN WE WOULD GO INTO AN AGREEMENT.
WE WOULD TRY TO DO IT BEFORE JUNE JULY SO WE CAN GET THAT FUNDING GOING.
OKAY. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT WE WERE EXPECTING.
WE KNEW IT WOULD NEED TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL AND THEN WOULD GO OUT TO BID.
BUT YEAH, AS SOON AS WE GOT A CONTRACT, WE WOULD.
AND DO YOU HAVE A TIMELINE OF ONCE YOU START CONSTRUCTION, WHEN YOU THINK YOU'LL BE ABLE TO BE DONE WITH CONSTRUCTION? THE PROJECTS I'VE WORKED ON IN THE PAST HAVE TAKEN 6 OR 7 MONTHS.
OKAY. AND ARE YOU HAVING TO RELOCATE ANYBODY? WE HAVE. SO THE WAY OUR, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COME IN, THEY COME IN, THEY GO OUT, NOT ALL AT ONCE.
AND SO WE'VE LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, WHO'S COMING IN AND WHEN THEY ARE ANTICIPATED TO LEAVE.
AND WE WILL BE IF WE HAVE TO RELOCATE THEM.
IT WOULD JUST BE TO NEIGHBORING UNITS.
OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU DIDN'T NEED RELOCATION FUNDS.
YEAH, OKAY. I'M THINKING FOR YOU, LIKE, I'M NOT TRYING TO THINK AGAIN.
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YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE THAT. AND I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.SO IT IS NOT I HAVE NO OTHER QUESTIONS OKAY.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT ITEM.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THAT MOTION TO APPROVE THE MOTION? DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I'M SEEING NONE, AND I VOTE I.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING TO TWO MEETINGS.
WE APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU.
I'M GOING TO TURN THAT OVER TO STAFF AS WELL.
SO AT THE FEBRUARY 21ST 20 IS YOUR MIC ON? AT THE. THERE WE GO, THERE WE GO.
ON FEBRUARY 22ND, 2024, SENT STAFF DID SEND OUT AN EMAIL TO ALL BOARD MEMBERS WITH THE LINKS TO RECORD THE TRAININGS THROUGH FLORIDA HOUSING COALITION WEBSITE FOR A HACK ORIENTATION, PARTS ONE AND TWO.
SO AT THIS TIME, IF WE CAN GET AN IDEA OF ANY OF THE TRAININGS THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETED OR ANY OF THE TRAININGS THAT THE BOARD MEMBER S WOULD BE INTERESTED IN RECEIVING THAT ARE NOT ON THE WEBSITE, CAN I JUST SO IT WAS A TWO PART TRAINING AND I DON'T WANT TO SAY THEY WERE RATHER LONG, BUT THERE WAS A THERE WAS A LOT TO DIGEST IN EACH ONE BECAUSE THEY ARE JAM PACKED WITH INFORMATION.
SO CAN WE DO LIKE A ROLL CALL OF TRAINING ONE AND TRAINING TWO? BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU, I WAS ABLE TO WATCH ALL THE WAY THROUGH TRAINING ONE, BUT I WAS NOT ABLE TO GET THROUGH TRAINING TWO.
AND I THINK ALSO IT DOING IT IN PARTS ACTUALLY IS HELPFUL BECAUSE THEY TAKE ALL THE 11 INITIATIVES AND SPLIT THEM IN HALF. AND AGAIN, IT WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION TO DIGEST.
SO I WOULD BE I WOULD LOVE TO SEE US BE ABLE TO TAKE A COUPLE MINUTES TO TALK ABOUT TRAINING ONE.
AND THEN BY THE NEXT MEETING, EVERYBODY HAVE WATCHED TRAINING TWO AND THEN BE ABLE TO TAKE A COUPLE MINUTES TO TALK ABOUT TRAINING TWO AND MAKE SURE IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT EITHER ONE OF THEM, THAT'S FINE.
DO YOU WANT TO LEAVE THAT DISCUSSION, OR DO WE WANT TO START WITH A ROLL CALL OF WHO WAS ABLE TO TAKE THE TRAINING? THE FIRST TRAINING I'VE TAKEN THEM IN THE PAST.
I DIDN'T TAKE THEM AFTER THE EMAIL.
I'VE TAKEN THEM PREVIOUSLY BECAUSE I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD A WHILE, SO I HAVE NOT.
I DID NOT COMPLETE THE TRAINING.
I WOULD LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET MORE TIME.
I'VE COMPLETED BOTH, BUT I REREAD, I REDID ONE.
OKAY, SO I THINK WE HAVE A COUPLE PEOPLE THAT STILL WOULD LIKE TO REVIEW IT.
SO MAYBE IF WE WANT TO DO WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS AGAIN AT THE NEXT.
IS THAT HOW WE WANT TO DO THAT? IS THAT GOOD FOR EVERYONE? YEAH, YEAH. THANK YOU.
I MEAN, I DID HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, BUT.
OKAY. GO AHEAD. IT PROBABLY MAKES MORE SENSE TO TALK ABOUT THEM.
I JUST HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT SOME OF THE PROCEDURES THAT WERE CURRENTLY DOING, BUT IT'S I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'LL MAKE SENSE TO EVERYBODY IF THEY HAVEN'T WATCHED IT, BUT JUST ARE WE HOW ARE WE NOTIFYING EACH DEPARTMENT WHEN AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT IS COMING THROUGH FOR EXPEDITION TO BE EXPEDITED? I KNOW SOME COMMUNITIES HAVE LIKE A FLAG THAT COMES THROUGH THAT AUTOMATICALLY MAKES LIKE AN ALARM THAT, HEY, THIS IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING SO THAT ALL DEPARTMENTS.
BECAUSE ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES, I THINK, IS THAT THE IS DEPARTMENTAL COMMUNICATION.
AND WHEN THERE'S A LACK OF DEPARTMENTAL COMMUNICATION, THAT SLOWS THE WHOLE PROCESS DOWN.
SO THAT WAS ONE. HOW ARE WE FLAGGING THAT FOR ALL DEPARTMENTS TO KNOW WHAT ARE WE DOING TO ENSURE COMMUNICATION BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS? THEN I WAS WANTING TO KNOW IF WE COULD, AFTER EVERYBODY DOES THE TRAINING, HAVE SOMETHING PRESENTED ON THE PROCESS? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE PROCESS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING DOESN'T MATCH WITH THE FUNDING SOURCES.
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AND SO I'D LIKE TO SEE IF WE COULD LOOK AT STREAMLINING THE PROCESS TO MATCH THE FUNDING SOURCES AND THEIR TIMELINE OF HOW THINGS HAPPEN. LIKE THE PRE-CONSTRUCTION MEETING FOR A NONPROFIT AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT SHOULD HAPPEN SOONER THAN IT CURRENTLY DOES.AND THEN HOW ARE AND AGAIN, HOW ARE WE IDENTIFYING AND DECIDING ON SURPLUS LAND? I KNOW THAT IN SOME CITIES, THE THEY'RE IDENTIFYING PROPERTY IS AT A MORE BROAD SPECTRUM.
IN SOME CITIES ARE MORE NARROWING.
SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW WE'RE IDENTIFYING THEM.
AND WE'RE DECIDING IF THEY'RE APPROPRIATE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND THEN I WOULD LOVE TO GET SOME MORE INFORMATION ON A COMMUNITY LAND TRUST, A CLT, AND HOW PALM BAY COULD DO ONE, OR ALREADY PARTICIPATE IN THE ONES THAT ARE ALREADY PARTICIPATE IN, ONES THAT ARE ALREADY IN BREVARD COUNTY.
THANK YOU. OKAY. SORRY. NO THAT'S OKAY.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE TRAINING? OKAY. I'LL JUST MAKE A MAYBE A COMMENT.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THOUGHT, KIND OF THOUGHT ABOUT AS I WAS GOING THROUGH THAT TRAINING IS, YOU KNOW, THEY TALK ABOUT BEST PRACTICES AND THEY TALK ABOUT OTHER AGENCIES AND, AND WHAT THEY DO FOR BEST PRACTICES.
SO SO I THOUGHT IT WAS KIND OF INTERESTING TO GO THROUGH IT.
AND JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD MEMBER JUST MENTIONED ABOUT COMMUNICATION BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS, THERE'S CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, IN ORLANDO AND TAMPA, THEY HAVE A SPECIFIC PERSON THAT THAT'S ALL THEY DO.
YOU KNOW, THEY THEY MANAGE THIS PROCESS FOR KIND OF LIKE AN ADVOCATE.
AS I WAS LISTENING TO IT, I WAS THINKING, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE'RE WE'RE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT THESE ARE GREAT BEST PRACTICES, BUT WE'RE NOWHERE NEAR, YOU KNOW, THE LEVEL THAT THEY HAVE FOR INFRASTRUCTURE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.
I WILL SAY, JUST TO ADD ON TO THAT, FROM THE TIME THAT I'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD, WHICH IS SEVERAL YEARS, THERE'S BEEN A BIG SHIFT AS FAR AS THE PUBLIC FACILITY IMPROVEMENT APPLICATIONS THAT ARE COMING FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND THE WAY THAT THOSE ARE PROCESSED.
WHEN I FIRST STARTED, MANY, MANY YEARS AGO THERE WAS VERY LITTLE INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED.
THEY WEREN'T SUBMITTING AN ACTUAL APPLICATION THE SAME TIME EVERYBODY ELSE WAS.
AND THE THE FUNDING REQUESTS WERE JUST KIND OF PIECEMEAL THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
AND THEN WE TYPICALLY WOULD GET SOME SORT OF LARGE FUNDING REQUEST AT THE END OF THE CDBG CYCLE BECAUSE THERE WERE FUNDS LEFT, WE WERE UP AGAINST AN EXPENDITURE DEADLINE, AND THEY KIND OF WOULD MAKE AN ALL CALL TO THE DEPARTMENTS.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THAT FITS THESE NEEDS? SO IT REALLY WASN'T GOING THROUGH KIND OF THAT REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL PROCESS.
AND THAT HAS SHIFTED IN RECENT YEARS.
AND THE DEPARTMENTS ARE NOW SUBMITTING APPLICATIONS JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.
THEY'RE BEING SCREENED JUST LIKE THE OTHER APPLICANT.
STAFF HAS DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB OF OF PROCESSING THAT.
AND I REMEMBER GOING, WHERE'S ALL THE PLAYGROUNDS IN THE PARKS AND, YOU KNOW, ALL THE OTHER AND I WAS PUSHING FOR STORM WATER FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS BECAUSE WE WEREN'T SPENDING THE MONEY. SO WE'RE WE'RE GETTING THERE.
STAFF HAS DONE AN INCREDIBLE JOB.
THAT'S IT IS A VERY GOOD POINT.
AND I BROUGHT THIS UP IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMMITTEE MEETINGS THROUGHOUT BREVARD.
YOU CAN'T THERE'S NOT ONE ANSWER.
WE ARE THE ONE OF THE BIGGEST CITIES IN THE STATE WHERE WE'RE SPREAD OUT DIFFERENT.
SO A LOT OF THE THE SOLUTIONS THAT WILL WORK FOR, LIKE YOU SAID, ORLANDO, THINGS LIKE THAT MIGHT NOT WORK HERE, BUT I WOULD CHALLENGE ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS TO TRY TO THINK OF THINGS THAT WE CAN DO THAT WILL SPECIFICALLY WORK FOR PALM BAY, THAT WILL BRING IN
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BECAUSE OUR WHOLE GOAL, ONE OF OUR MAIN GOALS AS A AS A BOARD IS TO STRATEGICALLY THINK OF HOW CAN WE BRING IN THESE DEVELOPMENTS THAT WILL PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN PALM BAY? AND SO THE MORE THAT WE CAN BRING TO THE MEETINGS AND SAY, LET'S THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX.AND AND AGAIN, IT HAS TO WORK FOR PALM BAY, RIGHT? IT STILL HAS TO WORK FOR PALM BAY.
AND I THINK ANOTHER THING IS, JUST LIKE I KEEP SAYING EDUCATION.
SO I WOULD LOVE FOR THE STAFF TO BRING ONE TIME.
YOU KNOW, I TALK ABOUT IMPACT FEES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I THINK IF WE WERE ABLE TO SEE THOSE NUMBERS WHERE YOU COULD SEE, OKAY, HERE'S A HERE'S A SMALL FOUR PLEX AND WHAT IT COSTS TO BUILD IT, HERE'S A MID SIZE 30 UNITS AND HERE'S LIKE 100 150 UNITS.
AND HERE'S WHAT THEY'RE EACH PAYING IN IMPACT FEES.
CAN WE, CAN WE DO THOSE THINGS? BECAUSE I IT'S SEEING THOSE THINGS I THINK IS HELPFUL.
AS AN INDIVIDUAL WHO'S BEEN IN LENDING ACROSS MANY STATES AND HAS DEALT WITH BOND MONEY IN MULTIPLE COUNTIES AND STATES THROUGHOUT OUR COUNTRY.
BELIEVE IT OR NOT, ONE OF THE BEST.
GROUPS WAS REALLY SAINT LUCIE COUNTY.
THE WAY THEY MANAGED THEIR PROPERTIES, JUST SAYING, OKAY, THE DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE AND EVEN THE WAY THEY PRESENTED A PROPERTY THAT HAD BEEN REHABILITATED BY THE CITY AND THEN SOLD FOR MARKET VALUE.
AND THEN, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE AGREEMENT AND I DON'T KNOW IF THESE THINGS STILL HOLD TRUE OR WHATEVER, BUT IT WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY, THE PERSON DID SELL IT WITHIN A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME.
THEY HAD TO PAY THE MONIES BACK.
THAT MONEY WENT BACK INTO THE POT TO BE THEN USED AGAIN, AND THERE WAS PROFIT GAINED BECAUSE IF THE PROPERTY WAS SOLD, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE THAT THE CITY GAINED.
AND AGAIN, THOSE FUNDS COULD BE USED TO REHAB OTHER PROPERTIES TO DO THE SAME.
AND I'M JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE, THAT SAINT LUCIE COUNTY REALLY ALWAYS DID A GREAT JOB THAT WAY.
AND OVER MANY YEARS THAT REALLY HADN'T CHANGED.
AND, YOU KNOW, BOND MONEY PRETTY MUCH DICTATES A LOT OF WHAT WE SEE WITH DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE.
YOU LOOK AT PEOPLE IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT FALLS WITHIN THE INCOME THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
BUT REALLY, IF WE COULD LOOK AT WHATEVER SAINT LUCIE COUNTY DOES.
EVEN IF WE TOOK A SMIDGEN OF IT.
I THINK THAT'S NEIGHBORHOOD STABILIZATION PROGRAM, WHICH WE DID HAVE IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE ACTIVELY DOING IT RIGHT NOW.
WELL, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, PROCUREMENT, SEE UTILIZE PROCUREMENT LIKE YOU WOULD ANYTHING ELSE.
YEAH. I THINK IF IF YOU SEE OR HEAR OF SOMETHING THAT ANOTHER CITY OR A MUNICIPALITY IS DOING AND YOU FEEL LIKE IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE A GOOD FIT FOR PALM BAY.
WELL, WE SHOULD ABSOLUTELY BRING THOSE IDEAS IN.
AND THEN AGAIN, IF WE IF WE THINK THAT IT'S A GOOD IDEA AND WE NEED TO FLESH IT OUT SOME MORE AND GET MORE INFORMATION ABOUT IT, BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES WE DON'T LIKE I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, AND SO I THINK THAT IF YOU SEE SOMETHING IN ANOTHER CITY OR MUNICIPALITY AND YOU THINK IT MIGHT WORK, I THINK WE BRING IT TO THE BOARD MEETING, BRING IT TO THE BOARD, AND IF WE ALL THINK, HEY, WE'D LIKE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT, LET'S WORK ON WHETHER WE GET SOMEBODY FROM THAT MUNICIPALITY TO COME AND PRESENT OR WE DO OUR OWN RESEARCH.
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I KNOW IN THE THE TRAINING THEY TALKED ABOUT ASSIGNING SUBCOMMITTEES, WHICH YOU CAN'T MEET TOGETHER BECAUSE OF SUNSHINE.YOU WOULD BOTH GO OUT, RESEARCH THAT INDEPENDENTLY AND COME BACK TO THE BOARD THE NEXT MEETING AND PRESENT YOUR FINDINGS, WHETHER THAT'S YOU CALLING THE THAT PROGRAM AND SAYING, TELL ME ALL ABOUT IT.
AND CAN I GET MATERIALS AND INFORMATION? AND THEN YOU WOULD BRING IT BACK AND PRESENT IT TO THE BOARD.
AND WHAT WAS INTERESTING IS THAT THEY WERE OLD GDC PROPERTIES, RIGHT? SAME. I MEAN, IT'S PALM BAY SOUTH, OKAY, FOR THE MOST PART, AND THEY HAVE THE SAME CHALLENGES WITH TRANSPORTATION, ETC., ETC.
SO WHY NOT? ESPECIALLY IF IT BENEFITS EVERYBODY.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE.
AND I SEE THAT THE THE BOARD MEETING SCHEDULE IS IN HERE.
DID YOU NEED ACTION FROM US ON THAT OR IS IT JUST INFORMATIONAL OR.
SO ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS KNEW WHAT TO EXPECT.
AND THEN THE NEXT ONE WE HAVE IS SURPLUS LANDS.
BUT KERRY, YOU TOUCHED ON THAT.
DID YOU HAVE MORE ON THAT ONE? YES. OKAY. GO AHEAD.
NO. I'M SORRY, I SHOULDN'T HAVE BLINDSIDED YOU LIKE THAT AND LET YOU KNOW I KNOW.
I THINK IF YOU TAKE CARE OF THE SURPLUS LAND, ARE YOU ABLE TO OR.
SID DOES KEEP A LIST OF THE SURPLUS PROPERTIES FOR THE CITY.
WAS THAT WHAT YOU WERE REQUESTING? NO. I WAS HOPING YOU COULD BRING IT UP.
AND THEN WE COULD LOOK AT THE LAND THAT IS AVAILABLE ON A MAP.
BECAUSE I KNOW YOU CAN PUT THE ON PROPERTY APPRAISERS.
YOU CAN PUT THE PARCEL NUMBER IN THERE AND LOOK AT IT.
RIGHT. AND SO THERE'S MAPS AND, AND THERE'S A LIST SET ASIDE.
AND SO IT IS ON OUR WEBSITE I BELIEVE.
OKAY. SO THE REASON I BROUGHT IT UP, I WAS HOPING THAT WE COULD SHOW IT ON THE SCREEN.
BUT THERE IS SEVERAL LOTS AVAILABLE IN ON NORTH VIEW, WHICH IS THEY'RE ALL TOGETHER.
AND SO WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE SURPLUS LAND AND AGAIN, THINKING OF HOW CAN WE BRING SOME ADDITIONAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS INTO THE CITY OF PALM BAY, THIS LOOKED LIKE A PRIME LOCATION.
AND MY THOUGHT WAS IF WE COULD PUT OUT AN RFA, WHICH I THINK I THINK THE CITY AND I HAD THE SAME IDEA BECAUSE I WAS TALKING ABOUT THIS.
BUT IF WE COULD REQUEST THE CITY TO PUT OUT AN RFA TO PUT THE LAND OUT WITH SOME FUNDING AND POTENTIALLY WORK WITH THE CITY, WHO DOES, WHO WOULD WHO'S WHO IN THE CITY DOES DENSITY BONUS.
WHAT'S THEIR TITLE? SO WE ARE PLANNING TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION TO PUT OUT AN RFP FOR A SURPLUS PROPERTY THAT THE CITY HAS FOR DEVELOPMENT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
SO WHAT I WOULD WANT TO KNOW IS I WOULD LOVE FOR THIS BOARD TO HAVE SOME INPUT ON THAT PROPOSAL AND WHAT IS IN THERE SO THAT WE CAN MAYBE GIVE SOME IDEAS BECAUSE I KNOW I HAVE SOME.
HOWEVER, BECAUSE WE'RE DOING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WE CAN OFFER A DENSITY BONUS.
AND LET'S SAY IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED FOR, LET'S SAY AN EXAMPLE, FOUR UNITS.
I KNOW THAT ON THAT SAME STREET THERE IS A TWO STORY BUILDING.
SO IF IT WAS ZONED FOR FOUR AND WE GAVE A DENSITY BONUS AS WELL AS MADE SURE THAT THEY COULD GO TWO STORIES HIGH, WE COULD SAY INSTEAD OF FOUR WE'RE GOING TO LET YOU BUILD EIGHT. AND IN ALLOWING AS OPPOSED TO HAVING FOUR AND ALLOWING EIGHT, IT GIVES THE DEVELOPER MORE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THAT CASH
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FLOW IS A VERY DIFFICULT TO BUILD LIKE TWO UNITS AND MAKE IT CASH FLOW.BUT IF WE CAN GIVE THEM THAT DENSITY BONUS, THEN THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT AS AN INCENTIVE TO THE RFP WOULD BE AN, AGAIN, A CITY PLANNER LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY, SAYING, OKAY, YOU ALREADY GAVE THE DENSITY BONUS.
WHAT CAN WE DO FOR REDUCTION IN PARKING? BECAUSE I BELIEVE WE'RE LOOKING AT A VULNERABLE POPULATION OF SENIORS AND VETERANS, AND MOST OF THEM DON'T HAVE THE SAME NUMBER OF VEHICLES AS, SAY, A FAMILY OR ANYBODY ELSE.
SO THAT WOULD BE WHAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE.
AND THEN BROUGHT BACK TO THIS BOARD TO SAY, IS THERE ANY OTHER IDEAS THAT ANYBODY ELSE HAS? BUT I THINK THE MORE WE GIVE BROADNESS TO THE PROPOSAL, THE MORE CREATIVE IDEAS WE'RE GOING TO GET IN BECAUSE WE GIVE THE DEVELOPER THE MOST OPPORTUNITY TO BE CREATIVE AND DO SOMETHING WITH MORE IMPACT.
SO. SO THE CITY DOES AUTHORIZE TO GRANT CERTAIN CONCESSIONS ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, AND THOSE CAN BE DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY THROUGH GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
AND SO I BELIEVE THE DIRECTOR OF GROWTH MANAGEMENT HAS COME BEFORE THE BOARD BEFORE TO SPEAK.
LISA FRAZIER AND BEFORE HER I THINK ALEX CAME.
AND SO WHAT STAFF CAN DEFINITELY DO IS BRING FORWARD TO THE BOARD THE RFP THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WANTING TO PUT OUT AND THE FUNDING SOURCE THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE.
AND THEN THE BOARD CAN SEE, BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CREATING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE USING HOME BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DO NEW CONSTRUCTION WITH CDBG.
YOU CAN ALSO USE SHIP AS YOU'RE WELL AWARE.
SO THOSE ARE THE TWO MECHANISMS OF THE GRANTS THAT WE USE HOME AND SHIP.
BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY BRING THAT RFP TO THE BOARD SO THAT YOU GUYS CAN REVIEW.
YEAH, I LIKE I SAID, I'VE READ THEM BEFORE IN OTHER CITIES, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US TO BE ABLE TO, LIKE I SAY, ALREADY SAY WE'RE GOING TO GRANT UP TO THIS AMOUNT FOR A DENSITY BONUS.
IF NOTHING ELSE, AT LEAST THE DENSITY BONUS, EVEN IF PARKING CAME LATER.
BUT AS A, YOU KNOW, FOR A DEVELOPER TO COME IN.
THEN WE'VE ALL WASTED OUR TIME.
OBVIOUSLY IT HAS TO BE THE RIGHT PLAN THAT FITS.
YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T GO BLIND, YOU KNOW.
YOU KNOW. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE DENSITY BONUS PART OF THE RFA RFP.
BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT TO DELAY ANY TYPE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT THAT'S COMING IN.
AND I KNOW, ESPECIALLY WITH THE LIVE LOCAL ACT, WHETHER IT APPLIES IN PALM BAY OR DOESN'T, WHATEVER THAT INTERPRETATION IS, THERE IS MORE LEEWAY FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS. AND THEN ONCE YOU PUT SOME SORT OF BOARD DISCUSSION IN THE MIDDLE OF IT, ALL THAT IS DOING IS DELAYING THE PROJECT.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT CITY MANAGER AND CITY COUNCIL IS ON THE SAME PAGE.
AND WHAT THIS THIS BOARD IS ASKING, ASKING TO DO AS PART OF THAT PROCESS.
WAS THERE NOT A A THOUGHT BY THE COC? THEY WANTED LAND.
THIS WAS THE WHOLE DISCUSSION AT THE COC.
JUST SAYING. AND IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE COC COULD IMMEDIATELY SUPPORT, I'M JUST PUTTING THAT OUT AS A THOUGHT HERE. TO ME, THIS WOULD BE THE IDEAL.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE CITY OF PALM BAY IS IS PART OF THE CONTINUUM OF CARE, WHICH IS THE BREVARD HOUSING COALITION.
AND THEY WERE LOOKING FOR LITERALLY LAND TO RIGHT THE THE.
SPACE THAT THE COCK IS LOOKING FOR IS ON A MUCH MORE GRANDER SCALE THAN WHAT WE HAVE WITH THE SIX LOTS, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT IF THE COCK WANTED TO APPLY OR LOOK AT, THEY CAN APPLY WITH THE PROPOSAL AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO, BUT THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE
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COCK WHEN THE RFP COMES OUT.IT'S NOT NOT THAT THE COUNCIL HAS TO AGREE WITH US, BUT IT IS IT IS PART OF AND IT'S PART OF THE TRAINING THAT WE JUST TOOK IS THAT'S ABSOLUTELY OUR THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO. WE'RE HERE TO MAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, WHETHER THEY'RE APPROVED OR NOT.
SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO STAND IN THE WAY OF ANYTHING, BUT I STILL THINK THAT WE AS A BOARD, IF WE SAY WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A DENSITY BONUS SO THAT WE CAN SEE THIS, THIS PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD QUICKLY AND GET FOUR UNITS.
BUT IF WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND AND GET 8 TO 12 LIKE WE NEED AS MANY AS WE CAN.
AND OBVIOUSLY, LIKE I SAID, THEY CAN SAY NO AND I DON'T.
AND I AGREE IT HAS TO BE THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT HAS TO LOOK AT THAT PROPERTY AND SAY, YES, WE THINK WE CAN SUPPORT 8 TO 12 UNITS ON THAT PROPERTY OR NO, WE CAN'T BECAUSE OF THE WATER OR THIS THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, I DON'T KNOW.
OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON SURPLUS LAND? I'M GUESSING THAT WHEN WE SAY SURPLUS LAND, LIKE WE HAVE A LOT OF LAND IN PALM BAY, THAT'S UNBUILDABLE.
WE HAVE A LOT OF RURAL LAND, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STUFF THAT IS ALREADY ZONED MULTIFAMILY OR HIGH DENSITY ABOUT LAND OWNED BY THE CITY OF PALM BAY THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE USED AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT IS NOT BEING USED FOR ANY TYPE OF CITY RELATED PURPOSE OR IS NOT PLANNED TO BE USED.
GOTCHA. SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY JUST VACANT LAND.
OKAY. AND JUST ANOTHER QUESTION FOR HOME.
WHAT'S THE AFFORDABILITY PERIOD THAT WOULD BE ATTACHED TO THIS PROJECT.
I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE FUNDING.
OKAY. BECAUSE THERE'S A CHART FOR CERTAIN FUNDING AMOUNT LEVELS.
OKAY. AND THEN THERE'S THE YEARS ATTACHED TO IT.
BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT CREATIVELY WE CAN DO TO EXTEND, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A 15 YEAR AFFORDABILITY, I'D LOVE TO SEE IT EXTENDED BEYOND THAT. JUST BECAUSE WE CAN WE LOSE UNITS.
SO THE MORE THAT WE CAN LENGTHEN THE AFFORDABILITY OF THESE UNITS WHEN WE ARE FUNDING THEM AND GIVING THE LAND, THE BETTER THE BETTER IT IS FOR THE CITY TO TO KEEP THOSE UNITS AFFORDABLE.
WE? WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
DOES THIS SURPLUS LAND? I'M GOING TO BE A SUBSIDY PRICE FROM THE CITY OF PALM BAY, OR IT'S GOING TO BE A REGULAR MARKET PRICE.
SO IF THEY'RE DOING AFFORDABILITY, IT HAS TO BE AT LEAST 80% AMI OR LOWER.
SO THAT'S THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME.
AM I SAYING THAT RIGHT. WELL I THINK HE'S ASKING ABOUT THE PRICE OF THE ACTUAL PROPERTY.
SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE DEPENDENT ON WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS IN THE RFP.
SOMEONE COULD COME IN AND SAY, DONATE THE PROPERTY TO ME.
SOMEONE COULD COME AND SAY, I'M GOING TO PAY MARKET RATE.
SOMEONE COULD SAY HALF MARKET.
IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THEIR PROPOSAL FOR THEIR PROJECT IS.
YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE PROBLEM I SEE WHERE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS CONCERNED IS WHEN THE BUILDER FINISHED THIS HOUSE, MOST OF THE TIME IT'S NOT GUARANTEED THAT IT'S GOING TO BE AFFORDABLE TO.
IT'S GOING TO BE. IT HAS TO BE, YOU KNOW, A PRICING WHERE I WOULD SUGGEST IF IF WE IF THE CITY GOING TO DO AFFORDABLE HOUSING FIRST, THEY HAVE TO DONATE THE PROPERTY OR SUBSIDIZE THE PRICE ON THE PROPERTY.
SO LET'S SAY WE SAY THAT ALL THE UNITS HAVE TO BE 80% AMI.
SO THAT MEANS I'M MAKING 80% OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME.
SO IT SAYS FOR A ONE BEDROOM, THIS IS THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT YOU CAN CHARGE FOR THAT RENT.
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SO WE COULD SAY WITH THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY'RE LOOKING AT VETS AND SENIORS THAT WILL GIVE A PRIORITY TO A BUILDER THAT'S GOING TO GO LOWER ON THOSE AMIS.RIGHT. SO THAT'S GOING TO SERVE EXTREMELY LOW INCOME.
SO AN EXTREMELY LOW INCOME LOOKS LIKE A SENIOR ON LIKE $700.
SO THEN THE RENT CAN ONLY BE 30% OF THEIR INCOME.
AND SO A GOOD APPLICATION MIGHT COME IN WITH A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE HOUSING AUTHORITY WHERE THE HOUSING AUTHORITY SAYS WE'RE GOING TO DO PROJECT BASED VOUCHERS SO THAT EVERYBODY, EVEN IF THEY HAVE ZERO INCOME, THEY CAN STILL COME INTO THIS APARTMENT SO THAT YOU CAN SERVE THE LOWEST, MOST, MOST VULNERABLE POPULATION. OKAY.
YEAH. IT'S GOT TO BE GOVERNED.
YOU KNOW YOU KNOW, WHERE THE PRICES COMES OUT, RIGHT? FOR THE FOR THE CITIZEN.
AND THEN EVERY YEAR THEY REEVALUATE IT.
AND THEN THEY GIVE THOSE CAPS EVERY YEAR IF YOU WANT NEXT MEETING, I CAN BRING THAT THAT SPREADSHEET THAT SHOWS YOU IT GOES BY THE NUMBER IN THE FAMILY AND THEN THE AMI, AND IT TELLS YOU THE MAX RENT FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE THOSE UNITS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT ITEM? I'VE SEEING NONE. OKAY. NEXT WE HAVE THE INFORMATIONAL STAFF REPORT WHICH IS IN THE PACKET.
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DID WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THAT REPORT? I'M SEEING NONE ON THAT ONE.I'LL JUST SAY YOU GUYS ARE BUSY AS USUAL.
YES. AND I LIKE TO SEE THAT THE PARKS ARE MOVING ALONG.
OKAY, SO I'VE GOT NO QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE.
DID WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD BEFORE WE ADJOURN? I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT.
YES, MA'AM. THAT WHILE I WAS VERY SAD TO SEE NANCY LEAVE, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT EVIE HAS STEPPED UP IN INTERIM, AND I THINK SHE'S DOING AN AMAZING JOB.
SHE HAS BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE AND QUICK TO GET INFORMATION OUT.
AND SHE IS A GREAT ADVOCATE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND EVERYTHING THAT WE DO HERE ON THE BOARD.
SO WE APPRECIATE YOU STEPPING UP IN IN THE ABSENCE OF THAT.
SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU MA'AM.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS THIS EVENING? ALL RIGHT, I'M SEEING NONE. WE WILL ADJOURN AT 638.
THANK YOU EVERYONE.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.