Jul 18, 2019 Council Meetings - Regular

EVERYBODY'S SEATED. BUT WE'RE GOING TO CALL OUR REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER. OUR

[Call to Order]

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COUNCILMAN BAILEY. HERE. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. HERE. MRS. MORRELL. PRESENT. MRS. SMITH.

HERE. OK. THANK YOU. ANNOUNCEMENTS. YES SIR MR. MAYOR. WE HAVE THREE VACANCIES ON THE

[Announcements]

THANK YOU DEPUTY MAYOR. AGENDA REVISIONS MRS. MORRELL. OH YES MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THE

[Agenda Revisions & Consent Agenda]

OK. THANK YOU. MRS. SMITH. NO SIR.  OK. MRS. JONES. YES. MAYOR AND COUNCIL A REVISION TO THE ELECTION REFERENDUM ORDINANCE FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE UNDER NEW BUSINESS HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO COUNCIL. OK. THANK YOU. CONSENT AGENDA. YES SIR WE HAVE SEVERAL THINGS TO PULL. AWARD OF BIDS NO. 1, CONTRACT NO. 1, MISCELLANEOUS NO. 1, NEW BUSINESS NO. 2 AND 4. OK. ANYTHING ELSE TO PULL COUNCIL? IF NOT . NO SIR. IF NOT I NEED A MOTION. MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH THE ADDITION OF THE CITIZENS BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING THE PROPOSED FISCAL YEAR 19-20 BUDGET, THE ADDITION OF THE REVISION TO THE ELECTION REFERENDUM ORDINANCE UNDER ITEM NO. 1 UNDER NEW BUSINESS. AND THEN THE REMOVAL OF NO. 1 AWARDS OF BIDS, NO. 1 CONTRACT , NO. 1 MISCELLANEOUS, NO.2 NEW BUSINESS AND NO. 4 NEW BUSINESS. SECOND. SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN SANTIAGO. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION COUNCIL? IF NOT I'M GONNA CALL IT.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED SAY NAY. MOTION CARRIES. MRS. SMITH. NOTHING TO READ.

NOTHING. OK. MOVING RIGHT ALONG. MOVING IN TO PROCLAMATIONS.

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[Public Comments/Responses]

SO IF YOU'RE WALKING YOU GET OUT OF YOUR CAR AT NIGHT AND YOU GO AND YOU WALK INTO YOUR YARD THERE COULD BE A HOLE THERE AND YOU FALL DOWN, BREAK AN ANKLE, BREAK A

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THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. OK. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS KEVIN AND I'M A MEMBER OF A SPACE COAST CULTURE ARTS AND BUSINESS ORGANIZATION SOCIAL ENTREPRENEURSHIP AND CIVIC ENGAGEMENT PROGRAM DEVELOPING LEADERS LOCATED AT  2295 WASHINGTON STREET PALM BAY FLORIDA 32905. DEVELOPING LEADERS CLASS OF 2019 STARTED A BUSINESS CALLED DL BOURGE AS PART OF OUR LESSON ON SOCIAL ENTREPRENEURSHIP. WE SPECIALIZE IN SEMI PRECIOUS STONE JEWELRY HEALING CRYSTALS DIVINE NINE GREEK LETTER GREEK LETTER ORGANIZATION JEWELRY AND FLORIDA HALL OF FAME HIGHWAYMEN ART INFUSED T-SHIRTS TOTE BAGS AND ART. YOU CAN VISIT US ON SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS AT RENNINGER'S FLEA AND FARMER'S MARKET LOCATED NEAR THE I 96 EAU GALLIE EXIT. YOU CAN ALSO BUY FROM OUR  CABO WEBSITE WWW.SCCABO.ORG  WE ARE NOT ONLY LEARNING BUSINESS BUT ALSO 100 PERCENT OF THE PROFIT GOES TO US, THE DEVELOPING LEADERS BUSINESS PARTNERS SO THAT WE ARE ABLE TO HELP SUPPORT OURSELVES. THANK YOU AND WE HOPE YOU WILL SUPPORT OUR BUSINESS. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS TOMIA JACKSON CLARK AND I'M A MEMBER OF SPACE COAST CULTURAL ARTS AND BUSINESS ORGANIZATION SOCIAL ENTREPRENEURSHIP AND CIVIC ENGAGEMENT PROGRAM CALLED DEVELOPING LEADERS LOCATED AT 2295 WASHINGTON STREET PALM BAY FLORIDA 3 2 9 0 5. ON BEHALF OF DEVELOPING LEADERS CLASS OF 2019 I WANT TO THANK YOU COUNCILMAN KENNY JOHNSON FOR TAKING OUT OF YOUR BUSY SCHEDULE TO SPEAK TO US ABOUT THE ROLE OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT. THE INFORMATION YOU SHARED HELPED ME AND MY BUSINESS PARTNERS TO UNDERSTAND MORE ABOUT HOW TAXES ARE USED, THE ROLE OF THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY ATTORNEY AND CITY MANAGER. WE PRESENT YOU WITH A CERTIFICATE OF APPRECIATION. THANK YOU. I WANT TO GET A PICTURE.

KENNY CAN YOU GO DOWN? THEY'RE ASKING YOU TO GO DOWN.

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AND COUNCILMAN KENNY JOHNSON. HE ALSO HAS SUPPORTED THEM SO THEY'VE GIVEN YOU THE CARDS FOR THEIR BUSINESS. DID YOU GET IT? CAN YOU MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY GETS ONE. AND WE'RE ASKING YOU KNOW IF YOU ALL WOULD COME DOWN AND BUY AT LEAST ONE THING FROM THEM. THIS IS THEIR SUMMER JOB. SO IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY WE DO NOT HAVE SUMMER YOUTH PROGRAM LIKE I GREW UP WITH IN NEW YORK. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE IT IN BREVARD ANYWHERE BUT WE TEACH. WE HAVE A JUNIORS TO JOBS PROGRAM. WE DO? OH OK. MAYBE I NEED TO CONNECT WITH THEM TOO SO I GET MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT. BUT I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR GIVING THEM THE OPPORTUNITY. I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT JULY 25TH. THEY WILL BE AT THE SCHOOL BOARD DOING A PRESENTATION AT THE BUDGET MEETING BECAUSE THEY HAVE DONE SOME IMPECCABLE RESEARCH ABOUT SCHOOL LUNCHES AND WHEN THEY COME TO OUR PROGRAM THEY HAVE TO PICK AN ISSUE. I KNOW THEY WANT TO COME FOR BUSINESS AND MONEY. BUT AS SOCIAL ENTREPRENEURS WE'RE TEACHING THEM TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE COMMUNITIES WHERE YOU LIVE. AND SO EACH YEAR THEY HAVE TO PICK A TOPIC. AND LAST YEAR YOU KNOW THEY DID TEEN VIOLENCE. THIS YEAR THEY DID SCHOOL LUNCHES. SO WE DON'T COACH THEM. THEY TELL US WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

THEY DO THE RESEARCH AND THEN THEY ACTUALLY FOUND A SOLUTION. SO I'M HOPING THAT YOU ALL WILL COME OUT THERE AND SUPPORT THEM ON THAT DAY BECAUSE I THINK IT'S AN IMPLEMENTABLE PROGRAM. THE SCHOOL BOARD DON'T HAVE TO PUT OUT ANY MONEY.

THEY FOUND A FREE PROGRAM TO BRING THE SALAD BARS AND SO I'M HOPING YOU WOULD AT LEAST GIVE THEM A LETTER OF SUPPORT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROCESS IS BUT IF YOU CAN DO THAT WE WOULD APPRECIATE IT. YOU HAVE MY EMAIL AND CONTACT INFORMATION IF YOU NEED ANY MORE INFORMATION. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING US TODAY. [APPLAUSE] THANK YOU. I WANTED TO MENTION REAL QUICK. WE HAVE A PENSION WORKSHOP SO WE PROBABLY CAN'T BE THERE BUT I'LL BE WRITING A LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR YOU IF YOU GUYS NEED THEM. I'M SURE ANYBODY YOU CAN REACH OUT TO. TOM REBMAN.  GIVE ME JUST A SECOND.I APOLOGIZE HERE. GOOD EVENING MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MY NAME IS TOM REBMAN AND I LIVE AT 1867 SHANNON STREET IN PALM BAY. I'M HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME FORMING MY WORDS TODAY. I CARE VERY MUCH ABOUT MY CITY. IT PAINS ME EVERY TIME I SEE A NEGATIVE NEWS ARTICLE. IT PAINS ME EVERY TIME I SEE NEGATIVE COMMENTS ON FACEBOOK. I WANT TO SEE OUR COMMUNITY TO BE KNOWN FOR THE PEOPLE WE ARE AND THE GREAT WORK THAT WE DO. SOMETHING HAS RECENTLY HAPPENED AND I'M NOT ASKING FOR ANSWERS ON WHY IT HAPPENED. I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT GOING BACKWARDS ON WHO SHOT JOHN BUT I DO KNOW FOR A FACT THE THINGS THAT I'M ABOUT TO STATE ARE FACTS BECAUSE I'M GETTING MY INFORMATION FROM THE CITY'S PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUEST THEY PROVIDED ME. I TOOK STATE REPRESENTATIVE RANDY FINE AND DEPUTY MAYOR ANDERSON OUT TO THE HOMELESS CAMPS TO SHOW THEM HOW THOSE PEOPLE LIVE. WHILE WE WERE OUT THERE THE HOMELESS PEOPLE TOLD STATE REPRESENTATIVE FINE AND DEPUTY ANDERSON THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT TO LIVE WITH THE HOT TUBS AND THE BROKEN TV'S AND THE BASKETBALL GOALS THAT HAVE BEEN DUMPED BY RESIDENTS. THIS ISN'T HOMELESS PEOPLE OR FROM THE TRASH FROM THE PREVIOUS RESIDENTS. THEY ASKED FOR HELP

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BECAUSE I HAVE HISTORY IN A SENSE IN REGARDS I'VE BEEN HERE THE LONGEST. SO I THINK SOMETIMES IT'S INTERPRETATION BUT I THINK THAT AS A CITY WE TRY TO WORK WITH OUR PARTNERS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE LIKE THE YOUNG LADY THEY CAME UP HERE TREAT PEOPLE WITH KINDNESS. SOMETIMES THINGS GET LOST IN TRANSLATION BUT I THINK THAT WE DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH ANY MALICIOUS INTENTIONS. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT AND ON TOP OF THAT THERE'S AN ABSOLUTE CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTION THAT IS AFFORDED TO OUR HOMELESS POPULATION. WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT PRIMARILY AND FOREMOST BEFORE WE TAKE ANY ACTION. AND JUST HATS OFF TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. I THINK WE HAVE A PHENOMENAL DEPARTMENT AND WE HANDLE THESE SITUATIONS THE BEST WE CAN. AND OF COURSE THERE ARE BAD SITUATIONS WHERE THE POLICE HAVE TO ACT IN A POLICE MANNER AND TAKE CARE OF IT VERY FASTLY. BECAUSE BAD THINGS HAPPEN SOMETIMES IN THOSE SITUATIONS. I DID WANT TO SAY THAT AND THIS ISN'T TO ANYBODY PARTICULARLY OTHER THAN MYSELF UP HERE AND MAYBE A LACK OF LEADERSHIP AND FOCUS ON THAT WE HAVE TO GET THIS SERVICE CENTER MOVING. IF IT'S NOT GOING TO BE US THAT THAT OPENS IT WE REALLY NEED TO TRY TO GET A NONPROFIT DOWN HERE AND OPEN THAT SERVICE CENTER BECAUSE THE NEED IS GROWING DAY BY DAY. MORE PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR SERVICES.

ONE OF THESE THINGS AND I'M NOT PUTTING WORDS IN ANYBODY'S MOUTH BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE RESIDENTS TOLD ME WAS NOBODY WAS OUT. AND MAYBE THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT CAMP WAS THERE BUT IN SIX TO EIGHT TO 12 MONTHS THAT SOME OF THEM HAD BEEN THERE NOBODY HAD BEEN OUT THERE TO OFFER THEM SERVICES OR WHERE TO GO TO SERVICES.

ANY SERVICES THEY FOUND THEMSELVES. AND THERE WAS A LITANY OF ISSUES YOU KNOW.

OBVIOUSLY TRANSPORTATION MONEY JOBS NOT BEING AVAILABLE SHOWERS NOT BEING AVAILABLE. NONE OF THAT'S HERE NO DOUBT.  BUT WE HAVE HAD THREE WORKSHOPS AND AS A COUNCIL WE REALLY GOT TO ADDRESS WHETHER WE'RE GONNA TAKE CARE OF THIS ISSUE OR A NONPROFIT IS BECAUSE WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF IT. I THINK THAT WHEN WE MET WITH THE PEOPLE THAT HANDLE THE HOMELESS COMMUNITY I WAS ASKING FROM THE CITY MANAGER TO HAVE THEM COME IN AND PRESENT PUBLICLY THE THINGS THAT THEY DO IN PALM BAY. SO I THINK IT'S TIME THAT WE BRING THEM IN BECAUSE I THINK THAT THEY NEED TO SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES WHETHER THEY COME TO PALM BAY OR NOT ON A REGULAR BASIS BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO HAVE A SCHEDULE THAT THEY COME HERE AND WHO ARE THE PEOPLE THEY ARE WORKING WITH. SO I THINK IT WOULD BE PRUDENT TO BRING THEM IN TO AT LEAST GIVE A PRESENTATION OF THE SERVICES THAT THEY ARE PROVIDING IN OUR COMMUNITY. I DON'T WANT TO INTERRUPT YOU AT ALL. BUT WE DID DO THAT AND UNFORTUNATELY I THINK YOU HAD YOUR FOOT SURGERY SO YOU WEREN'T ABLE TO BE AT THAT WORKSHOP WHERE THEY PRESENTED. NO I UNDERSTAND THAT. I UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND THAT PART BUT AFTER THAT I MET WITH THEM AND WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND I ASKED THEM FOR THEM TO COME AND PRESENT THEIR SERVICES BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS ONE SIDE OF THE STORY AND THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY AND I WOULD LIKE FOR THEM TO HAVE A 10 MINUTE PRESENTATION SO THEY COULD COME AND TELL US AND TELL THE PUBLIC YOU KNOW ACTUALLY WHAT THEY DO IN PALM BAY. AND I THINK THAT'S NOT ASKING FOR TOO MUCH. NO IT'S NOT A LOT. THEY DID THAT AND IT'S.

DO IT HERE IN A COUNCIL MEETING SO  WE COULD INTERACT WITH THE PUBLIC AND EVERYBODY COULD BE HERE AND THEY COULD SAY WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THEY'D BEEN IN PALM BAY, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THEY HELPED OUT, WHAT CAMPS DID THEY KNOW THAT ARE HERE AND SO ON AND SO ON. BECAUSE EVERY EVERY MEETING I KNOW THE FRUSTRATION LEVEL THAT MR. REBMAN HAS. SO I THINK THAT HAVING THAT PARTY HERE AND ALLOWING THEM TO TELL US EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN OUR COMMUNITY WILL BE HELPFUL FOR US TO EXECUTE WHAT WE WANT TO DO. I AGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY AND MAYBE STAFF CAN HAVE SEVERAL THINGS FROM THE WORKSHOP THAT WE CAN ACT ON BECAUSE THEN WE CAN ACT ON ACTION ITEMS LIKE A WORKSHOP. THEN WE COULD.

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ABSOLUTELY. AND MAKE IT MORE YOU KNOW TO THE POINT BECAUSE IT WAS MORE. IT WAS PRETTY GENERAL LAST WORKSHOP IF WE'RE GONNA BE HONEST.  IT WAS JUST THESE ARE THE SERVICES WE PROVIDE. THIS IS WHAT WE DO. NOT WE DO THIS FOR THIS CAMP, WE DO THIS FOR THAT CAMP. WE'VE CONTRIBUTED IN THERE SO. IF I MAY SEGWAY INTO WHAT COUNCILMAN JOHNSON WAS JUST SAYING MAYOR. THAT WOULD BE MY POINT. I THINK I ACTUALLY ALREADY HAVE AN EMAIL OUT THERE. IT'S FLOATING AROUND FOR REQUESTS FROM.

BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING UP AND SEEING WHERE OUR SERVICE PROVIDERS ARE PROVIDING GRANT MONEY TO, WHAT THEIR OBLIGATIONS ARE. SO WHAT I WOULD WANT IS TANGIBLE PROOF ARTIFACTS OF WHO THEY'RE SERVING HOW THEY'VE SERVED THEM.I UNDERSTAND THAT WAS.

I AGREE THAT IT WAS MORE GENERAL LAST TIME. NOW LET'S DIVE INTO MORE SPECIFICS AND GO FROM THERE I THINK THAT'S NEXT THING. BUT I THINK THE OTHER BIG  ISSUE IT'S BEEN SAID MULTIPLE TIMES THAT A PRIVATE ORGANIZATION WOULD BE MUCH MORE SUITABLE FOR DOING THIS AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF US HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SOMEBODY WANTING TO COME DOWN HERE AND DO IT. I'M NOT  SURE WHAT THE TASKS ARE FOR THE CITY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. I THINK OUR JOB IS TO GET OUT OF THE WAY. AS LONG AS WE'RE NOT PUTTING HURDLES SAYING YOU CAN'T DO THIS OR YOU CAN'T DO THAT. YOU KNOW THEY'RE WELCOME TO COME DOWN HERE WORK BUT ANYHOW LET'S LOOK AT THE PEOPLE WE ARE PARTNERING WITH. LET'S LOOK AT THE PEOPLE WE ALREADY ARE PARTNERING WITH THAT COMMUNITY. AND THE LAST WORKSHOP DID A GOOD JOB OF CAPTURING A FULL SPECTRUM OF SERVICES. HOWEVER OUR BIGGEST ISSUE AND MOST VISIBLE ISSUES ARE THE CHRONICALLY HOMELESS, THOSE THAT WE FIND IN CAMPS THAT WE CONSTANTLY DEAL WITH. THAT IS THE POPULATION. THAT IS THE TARGET POPULATION FOR US HERE. ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? NO THAT'S IT. MY FINAL COMMENT WOULD BE THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP BECAUSE I THINK WE GOT A LONG LONG WAY TONIGHT. MR. MAYOR MAY I JUST ADD. THE PARTIES THAT WE MET WITH ARE THE ONES YOU WANT ME TO INVITE IN? CORRECT. ALL FIVE? CORRECT. THANK YOU. OK. [INAUDIBLE] INCLUDED IN THAT? I SAID NO BACK AND FORTH. OK. YOU'RE TALKING. I'M NOT BEING ANSWERED. YOU KNOW THE FORMAT? I DO. OK. MAYOR I BELIEVE. PUBLIC HEARING. YEAH. THIS WILL BE OPEN TO EVERYBODY. YES. THIS IS A PUBLIC. IT'S A PUBLIC MEETING. BEFORE WE GO ON FURTHER I DO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE DEVELOPING LEADERS. I APPRECIATE SPEAKING WITH Y'ALL. Y'ALL PRESENT A LOT OF GREAT INFORMATION. I PRESENT INFORMATION. YA'LL  DID AS WELL. SO IT'S MUCH APPRECIATED. WILL WE HAVE TO INDIVIDUALLY SHOW LETTERS OF SUPPORT? COULD WE DO IT AS? WE CAN DO IT COLLECTIVELY. OK. BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S WITHIN THE NEXT SEVEN DAYS SO. AND I JUST  SIGNED. SO IT'S ALL YOURS. OK. AND  MAYOR I JUST REALLY QUICKLY TOO. I JUST WANTED TO GIVE KUDOS OUT THERE. JUSTIN AND KEVIN DID A  GREAT JOB OF RUNNING THEIR BOOTH OUT THERE AT OUR OPEN AIR FREE MARKET. THANK YOU FOR THAT AND WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE PIECE OF WORK. MY WIFE DOES TOO. SHE  SHE TOOK THAT HOME, IS WEARING THAT. IT'S A NICE PIECE OF WORK. IT HAD ELEPHANTS ON THERE WHICH IS KIND OF A THEME FOR OUR LITTLE GIRL. WORN IN LOVE, FITS THINGS THAT SHE HAS. IT FITS IN WELL. BUT ANYHOW IT'S  WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE SHOWN A LOT OF LEADERSHIP. YOU GUYS DID A GREAT JOB COMING UP HERE TO SPEAK, ALL THREE OF YOU GUYS TONIGHT. JUST AS A SHOUT OUT TO KEVIN. YOU MIGHT NOT RECOGNIZE HIM BUT HE JUST GOT DONE PLAYING SHREK. WITH THAT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO PUBLIC HERE. LET'S DO IT SIR. CONGRATULATIONS. PUBLIC HEARING

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JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND AND REMINDER ABOUT THIS PROPERTY. IT'S A 38.3 ACRE UNDEVELOPED SITE ABOUT THREE AND A HALF MILES WEST OF HERE ON MALABAR ROAD. IT'S CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED. THE CURRENT ZONING IS RESIDENTIAL. MR. ROCKER WAS LOOKING. THE OWNER MR. ROCKER WITH VACATION FINANCE, HE WAS LOOKING TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY UNDER THE CURRENT LAND USE AND ZONING WHICH WAS RESIDENTIAL. HAD IT FULLY ENGINEERED FOR RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION. WENT TO MARKET THE SUBDIVISION TO THE COMMUNITY AND THERE WASN'T ANYBODY WHO WAS INTERESTED IN THE PRODUCT UNDER THE WAY IT WAS DEVELOPED WITH RESIDENTIAL. SO MR. ROCKER WAS LOOKING FOR A WAY TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE PROPERTY HERE IN THE CITY. SO WE MET WITH THE CITY AND TRIED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WOULD BE A GOOD USE FOR THE PROPERTY. IT WAS CLEAR THROUGH OUR VOID ANALYSIS AND MARKET PROFILE THERE'S A LOT OF COMMERCIAL MISSING IN THE AREA AND A NEED FOR COMMERCIAL. CITY LEADERSHIP HAD EXPRESSED IN THE PAST THE NEED TO ATTRACT MORE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND INCREASE AD VALOREM TAXES TO SUPPORT THE GROWING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THE CITY HAS HERE. SO AFTER MEETING WITH THE STAFF IT FELT IT WAS APPROPRIATE FOR THE COMMUNITY  COMMERCIAL ZONING AND FUTURE LAND USE TO BE SELECTED. AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT BRINGS US HERE TODAY TO REVISE THE FUTURE LAND USE. THE ACTUAL USE OF THE PROPERTY WILL EVENTUALLY BE MARKET DRIVEN BASED ON THE USES THAT ARE ALLOWED IN THE ZONING. BUT BASED ON A FIVE MILE RADIUS IT COULD BE A LOT OF. IT COULD BE COMMERCIAL RETAIL RESTAURANT KARATE GYMNASTICS AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAMS OR ANY OTHER SINGLE TENANT USES IN THE ZONING THAT MAYBE SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY BUT IT ULTIMATELY WILL BE MARKET DRIVEN AND WHAT THE COMMUNITY MAY NEED IN THE AREA. SOME RESIDENTS WERE CONCERNED ESPECIALLY RESIDENTS TO THE SOUTH ABOUT NEW COMMERCIAL COMING IN NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL. WE ARE MINDFUL OF THAT. THE CODE REQUIRES THAT WE HAVE A 25 FOOT SETBACK. MR. ROCKER HAS AGREED TO HAVE A 100 FOOT UNDISTURBED BUFFER ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE EXISTING RESIDENTS ARE THERE AND PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF BUFFER AS THIS COMMUNITY TRANSITIONS IN THIS WAY. THERE WILL ALSO BE A LANDSCAPE BUFFER ON THE EAST AND WEST SIDE OF 25 FEET. THAT'S IT IN A NUTSHELL. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION YOU GUYS HAVE. IF WE NEED YOU WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP. THANK YOU. OK. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAIN THIS ITEM? BILL BATTIN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SW. I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS PROJECT FROM PLANNING AND ZONING TO  THE PREVIOUS READING TO THIS READING AND I'VE SAID THAT IT'S A VERY GOOD USE OF THE LAND BECAUSE IT WAS VACANT. AND UNFORTUNATELY LIKE I SAID SOME OF THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE UPSET ABOUT IT THEY'RE NOT PALM BAY RESIDENTS. LET US DEVELOP OUR CITY. WE'LL DEVELOP OUR CITY. TO ME IT'S THAT SIMPLE. AND FOR THOSE RESIDENTS THAT CONTACTED ME IN THE PARKING LOT OUT THERE I AM NOT GETTING MONEY FROM THE CITY OF PALM BAY AND I'M SPEAKING OUT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING ESPECIALLY WHEN A DEVELOPER IS WILLING TO GIVE UP THEIR OWN LAND WHICH COULD BE UTILIZED TO MAKE MONEY TO GIVE THEM EVEN A BIGGER BUFFER THAN WHAT WAS REQUIRED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? ANYTHING TO ADD FROM STAFF? WITH THAT I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ASK COUNSEL FOR A MOTION. MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 2019-22 FOR A FINAL READING.

SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN SANTIAGO. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION COUNCIL? IT'S NOT I'M GONNA CALL IT. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED SAY NAY. MOTION CARRIES. PATRICIA WAIT NO.

ANOTHER ONE. HOLD ON. YEAH PATRICIA. ORDINANCE 2019-25 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY BREVARD COUNTY FLORIDA AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TITLE 13 GENERAL OFFENSES CHAPTER 130 STATE MISDEMEANORS BY INCLUDING PROVISIONS FOR CIVIL PENALTIES FOR THE POSSESSION OF CANNABIS MARIJUANA FOR AMOUNTS UNDER 20 GRAMS AND POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA. SETTING FORTH PENALTIES AND ENFORCEMENT RESPONSIBILITIES FOR A VIOLATION OF THIS SECTION. PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT HEREWITH PROVIDING FOR INCLUSION IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY CODE OF ORDINANCES, PROVIDING FOR A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. WITH THAT I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD COUNCILMEN? I'LL JUST REITERATE. I KNOW WE'VE BEEN GOING AROUND FOR THIS. JUST TO

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THIS HASN'T REALLY BEEN AN ISSUE IN OTHER MUNICIPALITIES OR IF THEY GET A JUDGMENT LIEN OR. YOU KNOW WHAT'S THE REPERCUSSIONS? BUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO, I'VE ALREADY TALKED TO STAFF. I'VE TALKED TO THE CITY ATTORNEY AND WE'RE LOOKING AT A COLLECTION AGENCY RATHER THAN A JUDGMENT LEAD BECAUSE THAT CAN BE APPLICABLE TO ANYBODY NOT JUST HOMEOWNERS. SO THAT WAY IT'S FAIR ACROSS THE BOARD. OTHER THAN THAT ALSO LISTEN IN REGARDS TO COUNCILMAN SANTIAGO AND I APPRECIATE HIM BRINGING IT UP BECAUSE YOU KNOW IN REGARDS TO SEMI-ANNUAL CHECK UP FOR THIS WITH CERTAIN ORDINANCES THAT WE'VE PASSED SINCE BEFORE MY TENURE THERE'S NO COMING BACK FROM SOME OF THEM. ONCE THEY'RE IN PLACE THEY'RE IN PLACE YOU KNOW. BUT WITH THIS AND BEING ABLE TO CHECK UP SEMI  ANNUALLY WE'LL KNOW WHETHER OR NOT OK THIS IS WORKING. LET'S CONTINUE ON WITH IT. IF IT'S NOT THEN WE CAN DISSOLVE IT. SO ALL I'M REALLY ASKING IS THAT WE JUST GIVE THIS A CHANCE BECAUSE I KNOW IT WILL GIVE OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR CITIZENS A CHANCE AS WELL. SO THAT BEING SAID THAT'S ALL MAYOR. OKAY. WITH THAT IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? YES I DEFINITELY AM IN SUPPORT OF THAT BECAUSE I WORK WITH YOUNG PEOPLE AND I'VE SEEN THEM GO FROM ONE STAGE IN LIFE HAVING TROUBLES AND THEN I SEE THEM GROW UP AND BECOME WONDERFUL LEADERS AND SO I THINK IT GIVES THEM A SECOND CHANCE AND A SECOND OPPORTUNITY TO GO FROM DOING SOMETHING STUPID TO KIND OF YOU KNOW KIND OF DOING SOME POSITIVE WITH THEIR LIFE. SO I'M DEFINITELY IN SUPPORT OF IT. THANK YOU.  OH YEAH. I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT. YOU JUST WENT AND I DIDN'T TELL YOU. ALBERTA [INAUDIBLE] 2 2 9 5 WASHINGTON STREET PALM BAY 3 2 9 0 5. THANK YOU FOR THAT. START OFF WITH THAT FIRST. OF COURSE. MR.  MAYOR, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. CITY COUNCILMEN THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO. JARED ELKINS 271 DISTRICT STREET SOUTHEAST PALM BAY FLORIDA 3 2 9 0 9. I WANT TO START BY POINTING TO COUNCILMAN JOHNSON'S STATEMENTS TOWARD THE OPIOID EPIDEMIC. I READ JUST THIS MORNING THAT WE'RE DOWN 10 PERCENT ANNUALLY YEAR OVER YEAR ON A NATIONAL LEVEL. WE'RE SEEING A RISE ACROSS THE COUNTRY IN ORDINANCES LIKE THIS PROPOSAL. I CAN FIRSTHAND ATTEST TO WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TO SEE A 10 PERCENT DROP IN ANYTHING IN MY PROFESSIONAL DEALINGS. AND I AM HERE TO TELL YOU THAT NOT ONLY WILL WE REAP THE BENEFITS IN TERMS OF THE FUTURES FOR OUR YOUTHS BUT AS HOMEOWNERS. AS CITIZENS OF PALM BAY WE STAND TO GAIN THE MOST BY TRUSTING THE LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT WE'VE HIRED TO PROTECT US TO SERVE US TO PROVIDE FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT WE HAVE HERE IN PALM BAY. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYONE IN THIS ROOM WHO WOULD ARGUE THAT THE PALM BAY POLICE DEPARTMENT IS ABSOLUTELY KNOCKING IT OUT OF THE PARK. I THINK THAT WE HAVE BEEN BLESSED WITH SOME INCREDIBLE OFFICERS WHO HAVE INCREDIBLE JUDGMENT. THE PROFESSIONALISM AND THE SKILL THAT THEY THEY EXHIBIT DAY IN DAY OUT WHEN YOU COMPARE THAT TO SAY ORLANDO OR MIAMI OR WEST PALM. WHEN YOU PUT THEM SIDE BY SIDE IN A PER INSTANCE BREAKDOWN WE HAVE PROBABLY ARGUABLY ONE OF THE FINEST POLICE DEPARTMENTS IN STATE OF FLORIDA. IF WE CAN'T TRUST THEM TO MAKE A JUDGMENT CALL AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD PUT SOMETHING ON THE RECORD OF A CHILD THAT MADE A STUPID MISTAKE I DON'T KNOW WHO WE CAN TRUST. SO WITH THAT I WOULD  IMPLORE YOU TO PASS THIS. I WOULD IMPLORE YOU TO FURTHER ENTRUST OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS BECAUSE THEY'VE DONE NOTHING BUT UPHOLD THE HIGHEST STANDARDS OF PROFESSIONALISM AND EXCELLENCE IN THE FIELD DAY IN DAY OUT. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK FOR? RANDY WILKINS 1209 SANCHEZ STREET. I E-MAILED COUNCILMAN

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SO MISTAKES HAPPEN AND I THINK THE COPS USE THEIR JUDGMENT TO THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITY NOT TO AFFECT THAT YOUNG MAN'S LIFE. I DO SUPPORT THE WAY HE BROUGHT THE ORDINANCE AND THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE BUT I HAD SEVERAL THINGS I WANTED TO ADDRESS HERE REAL QUICK. AND I APPRECIATE YOU ABOUT THE COLLECTION AGENCY YOUR COMMENTS COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. THAT WAS THE SAME REPLY I GOT FROM MRS. SMITH WHEN IT CAME TO HOW ARE WE GOING TO ENFORCE THIS. BUT OTHER THAN THE CLERK OF COURT SENDS A COLLECTION AGENCY TO YOU. I THINK IT HOLDS A LITTLE MORE VALIDITY WHEN THE CITY OF PALM BAY SENT IN A COLLECTION AGENCY TO YOU. SO YOU MIGHT NOT BE AS I'M GONNA PAY THAT WHEN IT COMES FROM THE CITY OF PALM BAY AS OPPOSED TO THE CLERK OF COURT. SO I HAVE A LITTLE ISSUE THAT I THINK IT'S NOT AS ENFORCEABLE AS IT COULD BE WHICH ESSENTIALLY COULD BE INTERPRETED AS A FREE PASS AND THEN WE'RE NOT GOING TO FILE A LIEN OVER $150. WE KNOW THAT. SO I DON'T WANT THAT IMPRESSION TO GET OUT THERE. THAT MAY NOT HAPPEN. LIKE I SAID MOST PEOPLE PAY. THE CITY ATTORNEY SAID MOST PEOPLE PAY. I THINK THERE WAS A HIGH PERCENTAGE 80 PERCENT OF PEOPLE IN BROWARD PAID. THE SECOND PART OF MY ISSUE WITH THE ORDINANCE WAS THE COMMUNITY SERVICE OPTION. IT WAS JUST HABITAT FOR HUMANITY. I WAS HOPING MAYBE WE COULD EXPAND THAT TO LIKE A ROTATING BASE BECAUSE I THOUGHT YOU KNOW NANA'S HOUSE COULD BENEFIT FROM THIS OTHER CHARITIES COULD BENEFIT. I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO SEE ONE CHARITY GETTING ALL THE BENEFITS OF SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE GOOD THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE COMMUNITY YOU KNOW A PALM BAY LIST OF MAYBE 10 LIKE THEY DO WITH THE WRECKER SERVICE. WITH POLICE THEY HAVE A LIST OF WRECKER SERVICE THEY CALL AND THEY ROTATE. SO ONE WEEK IT'LL BE CHUCKS. THE NEXT WEEK IT'LL BE JACK'S. NEXT DAY. EXCUSE ME. BUT THEY ROTATE THROUGH THE WRECKER SERVICE SO I WOULD THINK THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE COULD BENEFIT FROM THOSE SERVICES. ALSO WITH THE ECKERDS. STANLEY IS A GREAT GUY AND I THINK HE'S GONNA DO GREAT WITH HIS NEW COMPANY BUT I ALMOST THOUGHT MAYBE THAT ON A ROTATION THING BECAUSE IT'S A BRAND NEW VENTURE THAT HE'S GOING ON. MAYBE IF WE COULD SPREAD THAT OUT TO THE WHOLE COMMUNITY I COULD DO A LITTLE MORE SUPPORT FOR THIS BECAUSE I COULD SEE IT DOING A LOT MORE GOOD. I KNOW THAT BRAND NEW VENTURE IT MAY MAKE A TON OF IMPACT BUT MAYBE WE CAN MAKE MORE IMPACT BY HELPING DIFFERENT BUSINESSES AND EVERYBODY GET A LITTLE PIECE OF THE PIE. AND THEN THE THIRD THING WAS JUST THAT 70 PERCENT OF THE VIOLATORS IN MY OPINION WERE NOT ARRESTED, ARE GIVEN NOTICES TO APPEAR. WE KNOW 60 PERCENT OF THEM WERE NOT ARRESTED AND THEN 30 PERCENT WERE GIVEN NOTICE TO APPEAR OR ARRESTED. SO I'M THINKING 10 PERCENT. SO 70 PERCENT ARE ALREADY WALKING AWAY. NOW THIS WOULD BE 100 PERCENT. THAT'S MUCH BETTER THAN 70 PERCENT. BUT IF WE COULD ADDRESS THE TWO THINGS ABOUT THE CHARITY SIDE OF IT THE COMMUNITY SERVICE SIDE OF IT AND THEN UTILIZING THE FUNDS TO GO TO MORE THAN JUST ONE PLACE. I DON'T WANT IT TO SEEM LIKE WE'RE IN BED WITH THE FOUNDATION AND OR THE OTHER ONE. AND YOU KNOW PEOPLE ALWAYS MISINTERPRET THAT. WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING BUT YOU KNOW OH WELL YOU ONLY WANT TO DEAL WITH SO AND SO BECAUSE YOU HAVE A RELATIONSHIP. THAT WAS MY ISSUE BUT THE INTENT I THINK IS GREAT. THANK YOU. SO THIS ORDINANCE TOOK A LITTLE TIME BECAUSE THAT WAS ACTUALLY PROBABLY THE LENGTHIEST PART OF IT. I'VE CALLED MOSTLY NON-PROFITS AND DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS EVEN CHURCHES WITHIN THE CITY OF PALM BAY BEING THAT THIS IS OUR CITY TO FIND THOSE THAT WILL BE YOU KNOW WILLING TO WORK WITH US. SOME OF THEM WERE A LITTLE HESITANT. OTHERS STEPPED UP TO THE PLATE LIKE HABITAT FOR HUMANITY. BUT I'M DEFINITELY OPEN TO INCLUDING NANA'S HOUSE OR WHOEVER. I DON'T KNOW IF STAFF OR CITY ATTORNEY WANT TO INTERJECT ON THIS OR. PATRICIA. THAT'S TOTALLY UP TO YOU. THIS IS YOUR FINAL READING. IT MAY BE SOMETHING IF YOU HAVEN'T CONTACTED  THOSE PEOPLE WHERE THE COUNCIL DECIDES IF THEY WANT THIS ORDINANCE. AND CERTAINLY IF YOU CONTACT THEM AND THEY'RE WILLING TO THAT PROVISION IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE EASILY ARE REVISED. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO ADD ANYBODY RIGHT NOW WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW OR YOU DON'T HAVE ANY COMMITMENTS BUT THAT'S CERTAINLY UP TO  COUNCIL. OK. WELL I WILL SAY THAT I'M OPEN

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LIKELY 10 PERCENT ARE STILL GOING TO BE ARRESTED BECAUSE UP TO 10 PERCENT IS BEING ARRESTED FOR A REASON AS IT IS. THEY'RE COMMITTING OTHER CRIMES THEY HAVE PRIORS, A PROBATION VIOLATION. IT'S NOT THAT YOUNG PERSON WHO'S THE FIRST TIME THAT THEY'VE HAD AN ISSUE. SO IT'S NOT ACTUALLY MEETING THAT GOAL.

THAT'S MY ISSUE WITH IT ON ITS CORE. LET ME FOLLOW UP WITH ANOTHER THING. A LOT OF FOLKS HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE YOUTH OR YOUNG PEOPLE. WE ALREADY HAVE A PROGRAM FOR THAT.

AT THIS TIME LOOKING AT LAST YEAR YOU CAN GO TO THE DASHBOARDS PUBLIC INFORMATION.

THERE'S A YOUTH CIVIL CITATION ACROSS THE STATE. YOU CAN GO LOOK IT UP BY AGENCY. THE LAST YEAR THE MOST RECENT DATA WE HAD 16 OUT OF 49 YOUTH THAT WERE ELIGIBLE WHO RECEIVED THAT IN A YEAR. SO IT'S ALREADY THERE FOR THE THE ACTUAL YOUTH. LASTLY I APPRECIATE THAT COUNCILMAN JOHNSON TALKED ABOUT THE OTHER THINGS, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS BEATING UP IN THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IMMEDIATELY AFTER LAST HEARING WAS ON THESE ENFORCEMENT TECHNIQUES. IT IS VERY CLEAR I AGREE WITH DEPUTY MAYOR AND I THINK IT'S BEEN SET UP BY OTHER FOLKS.

WE'RE NOT TAKING $150 OR $300 JUDGMENT LIEN. WE'RE NOT GOING TO THE COURT TO DO THAT. SO I THINK IT SHOULD BE STRICKEN OUT OF THERE. IF EVERYBODY AGREES THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT, IT SHOULD BE STRICKEN OUT THERE. AND THE SAME THING WITH SENDING IT TO THE STATE'S ATTORNEY'S OFFICE FOR PROSECUTION WHICH HAS BEEN DESCRIBED TO ME YOU KNOW WE CALL THAT A CAPIAS. SO THERE'S NO ACTUAL ARREST DONE  BY THE POLICE OFFICER BUT THE HEARING'S SET BY THE STATE'S ATTORNEY'S OFFICE THROUGH THE JUDGE. THAT'S ALSO NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. AND WITHOUT GETTING INTO THE WEEDS OF ALL THAT BOTH OF THOSE ARE REALLY JUST IDLE THREATS THAT ARE ON THE BOOKS. I THINK IT SHOULD BE CLEARED. THIS  SHOULD ALL GO TO A COLLECTION AGENCY. IT'S EVERYBODY THE SAME. REGARDLESS IF THEY PAY OR NOT, IF THEY DON'T PAY IT'S GONNA HIT THEIR CREDIT WHICH HAS YOU KNOW AS YOU'RE ADULTS YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THAT DOES HAVE SOME TYPE OF IMPACT IN YOUR LIFE. AND I THINK IT WOULD BE EQUITABLE ACROSS ALL FIELDS WHENEVER YOU LOOK AT IT. SO ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS GOING TO ASK AND SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE PERHAPS THERE'S SUPPORT OF IT AT LEAST OF IT AN IDEA IS STRIKING OUT ON SECTION G SUBSECTION 1 OF THE JUDGMENT AND THE SENTENCE THE STATE'S ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. AND JUST LET'S GO STRAIGHT TO THE TO THE COLLECTIONS [INAUDIBLE] AS I HAVE INFORMED THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. THAT IS WHAT THE CLERK OF COURT DOES.  CLERK OF COURT DOES NOT RECORD JUDGMENTS. I SPOKE DIRECTLY TO THE CLERK OF COURT SCOTT ELLIS. HE SAID SOMETIMES THERE ARE JUDGES. I THINK IT'S USUALLY WHENEVER THEY HAVE OTHER ISSUES GOING ON. BUT EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE THEY WILL DO SO. BUT OTHERWISE THEY HAVE A COLLECTION AGENCY ON RECORD. TALKED TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. OBVIOUSLY SHE SAID  THAT MY UNDERSTANDING AND SHE CAN  CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG HERE. OTHER PLACES DO NOT USUALLY HAVE A COLLECTIONS AGENCY ON HAND LIKE WE DO BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD ONE. SO I THINK THAT THAT SHOULD BE FULLY THE WAY WE SHOULD GO JUST TO GIVE CLARITY TO THE LAW. AND JUST LET'S NOT THREATEN. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING. I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD OR IF NOT I'M GOING TO CALL IT? LAST THING REGARDING YOUTH DIVERSION PROGRAM BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT IS. THAT'S WHAT IT IS AND IT'S BEEN IN PLACE. THAT'S FOR MINORS. SO MOST OF US KNOW THAT THE ADULT BRAIN DOESN'T MATURE UNTIL 25. WE HAVE OFFENDERS WHO ARE 18 TO 24 WHO FIT THIS BRACKET AS WELL. SO I'M LOOKING AT THIS AS A DIVERSION PROGRAM JUST LIKE WE HAVE THE JUVENILE DIVERSION PROGRAMS WHICH COUNCILMAN BAILEY MENTIONED. OTHER THAN THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DISCRETION AND I BELIEVE STRIKING THAT OUT WILL YOU KNOW TAKE AWAY THAT DISCRETION REGARDING SECTION 6 AND G. SO I FEEL THAT WE SHOULD KEEP THAT IN PLACE AS WELL AS OUR OFFICERS DISCRETION. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. YEAH. AND THEN WE TALK WITH STAFF. WE JUST GIVE STAFF THE DIRECTION WHICH I'M FINE WITH THAT AND I APPRECIATE THAT. A GOOD NAME BECAUSE THE DEPUTY MAYOR HAS I JUST WANTED TO CLEAR UP THE HUNDRED PERCENT COMMENT. IT'S 100 PERCENT THAT MEET THIS CRITERIA ARE ELIGIBLE NOT 100 PERCENT ARE GONNA GO AWAY. YOU KNOW OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE ALWAYS GONNA BE THAT INTERACTION THAT WARRANTS THAT ARREST. AND THEN I JUST I DID WANT TO THANK COUNCILMAN JOHNSON

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THEY'RE YOUNG ENOUGH YOU KNOW. IF IT'S IN THEIR PARENTS CAR THERE'S OTHER THINGS I'M SURE THEY COULD PROBABLY DO TO MAKE SURE IT GETS BACK TO THEM BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THEY ALREADY HAVE DISCRETION, ALREADY HAVE THE TOOLS. I DON'T THINK CREATING NEW LAWS IN THE NEW PROGRAM IS GOING TO FIX THAT. BUT I HOPE THAT MAYBE IN SIX MONTHS WE CAN SEE. WAS THERE ACTUALLY ANY CASES THAT WE COULD HAVE EVEN ADDRESSED? OK. ON THAT NOTE I'M GOING TO CALL IT. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED SAY NAY. NAY. OK 3 2.  PATRICIA. THE FOLLOWING ITEM IS QUASI JUDICIAL IN NATURE. PUBLIC HEARINGS AGENDA ITEM NO. 4.  ANY PERSON WHO WISHES TO TESTIFY ON SUCH A MATTER MUST SIGN A SPEAKER CARD WHICH CONTAINS A SWORN OATH TO TELL THE TRUTH. ANY SPEAKER MAY BE SUBJECT TO CROSS-EXAMINATION BY THE COUNSEL OR ANY OTHER INTERESTED PARTY. ATTORNEYS WHO ARE APPEARING ON BEHALF OF A PARTY AND NOT PROVIDING TESTIMONIAL EVIDENCE ARE NOT CONSIDERED WITNESSES AND NEED NOT BE SWORN.

ANY INDIVIDUAL ADDRESSING THE COUNCIL MUST STATE HIS OR HER NAME AND CONFIRM THAT A SPEAKER CARD HAS BEEN SIGNED. COUNCIL  SHOULD DISCLOSE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION BY DISCLOSING THE SUBJECT MATTER OF THE COMMUNICATION AND THE IDENTITY OF THE PERSON GROUP OR ENTITY WITH WHOM THE COMMUNICATION TOOK PLACE. THE ORDER OF THIS PROCEEDING WILL BE AS FOLLOWS. FIRST THE APPLICANT WILL MAKE HIS PRESENTATION FOLLOWED BY STAFF COMMENTS FOLLOWED BY ANY OTHER INTERESTED PARTY OR OTHER PERSON.

THE APPLICANT WILL THEN BE ALLOWED CONCLUDING REMARKS. THE HEARING WILL THEN BE CLOSED AND NO ADDITIONAL TESTIMONY OR ARGUMENT WILL BE ALLOWED. THE COUNCIL WILL THEN DELIBERATE IN PUBLIC. AT THE END OF DELIBERATION A COUNCIL MEMBER WILL MAKE A MOTION ON THE APPLICATION TO BRING THE MATTER TO A VOTE. EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER IS THEN FREE TO VOTE IN FAVOR OR AGAINST A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION. ORDINANCE NO. 2019-37 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY BREVARD COUNTY FLORIDA AMENDING THE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY A CHANGE IN A ZONING PROPERTY FROM RS3 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT TO RM 20 MULTIPLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT WHICH PROPERTY IS LOCATED NORTH OF AND ADJACENT TO GRAND AVENUE IN THE VICINITY BETWEEN DIXIE HIGHWAY AND VICTOR COURT AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED HEREIN. PROVIDING FOR A CHANGE OF THE ZONING MAP, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THANK YOU PATRICIA. AT THIS TIME I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK STEVEN CIANCIO TO COME UP PLEASE.

GOOD EVENING. I'M STEVE CIANCIO THE OWNER OF RIVERVIEW SENIOR RESORT. MR. MAYOR CITY MANAGER IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE UP HERE AGAIN. BASICALLY WE'RE GOING TO LOOK TO EXPAND ON RIVERVIEW AND FOR THE PROPERTY THAT WE'D LIKE TO GET REZONED WE'RE GOING TO PUT A PARKING LOT ON THERE FOR THE EXPANSION THAT COULD HANDLE THE PARKING FOR OUR NEW RESIDENTS AND FOR OUR EMPLOYEES. AND THANK YOU FOR THE VOTE OF CONFIDENCE LAST TIME. AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE JUST GOT VOTED THE BUSINESS OF THE MONTH RIVERVIEW. GOOD. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM. IS THERE ANYTHING FROM STAFF? NO SERVICE, FINAL READING. OK. I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, ASK COUNCIL FOR A MOTION. MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE 2019-37 FINAL READING. SECOND.  SECOND BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM COUNCIL? IF NOT I'M GONNA CALL IT. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED SAY NAY. MOTION CARRIES.

GOOD LUCK STEVE. ITEM NO. 5 PATRICIA. ORDINANCE NO. 2019-38.

AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY BREVARD COUNTY FLORIDA VACATE AND ABANDON A PORTION OF THE 5 FOOT  PUBLIC UTILITY AND DRAINAGE EASEMENT LOCATED WITHIN LOT 59 FAIRWAY ISLES AT BAYSIDE LAKES PHASE TWO ACCORDING TO THE PLAT THEREOF AS RECORDED IN PLAT BOOK 47 PAGE 75 OF THE PUBLIC

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ORDINANCE NO. 2019-39, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY BREVARD COUNTY FLORIDA VACATE AND ABANDON A PORTION OF THE REAR 10 FOOT PUBLIC UTILITY AND DRAINAGE EASEMENT LOCATED WITHIN LOT 7, LOT 2115  PORT MALABAR UNIT 21 RECORDED INTO A PLAT THEREOF AS RECORDED IN PLAT 24 PAGE 10 OF THE PUBLIC RECORDS BREVARD COUNTY FLORIDA AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED HEREIN PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK MICHAEL ROULEAU. GOOD EVENING MY NAME IS MIKE ROULEAU AND I OWN AND RESIDE  AT 1299 BEDROCK AVENUE NORTHEAST PALM BAY. AND I'M HERE SEEKING APPROVAL FOR A VACATE OF 3 FOOT OF A 10 FOOT EASEMENT FOR USE AND A SOLAR CARPORT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? THANK YOU MY NAME IS LOU JANINE. MY ADDRESS IS 327 LISA ROAD NE. THAT ADDRESS IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM MR. ROULEAU'S PROJECT. I MORE THAN ANYBODY ELSE WOULD BE AFFECTED BY IT. IF I STEP OUT MY FRONT DOOR I WOULD IMMEDIATELY SEE HIS PROJECT. I WILL TELL YOU THAT MR. ROULEAU HAS NEVER IN 20 DONE ANYTHING TO HARM THE VALUES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. HE'S BEEN A TERRIFIC NEIGHBOR AND I SPEAK 100 PERCENT IN SUPPORT OF HIS REQUEST.

IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? IF NOT I'M GONNA  CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ASK COUNCIL FOR A MOTION. MOVE TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NO.

2019-39 FOR FINAL READING. SECOND. SECOND BY DEPUTY MAYOR ANDERSON. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION COUNCIL? IF NOT I'M GONNA CALL IT. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED SAY NAY.  MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUS. GOOD LUCK. ITEM 7 PATRICIA. ORDINANCE 2019-40 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY BREVARD COUNTY FLORIDA GRANTING AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AVALANCHE EXEMPTION TO MIDWEST DENTAL ARTS WHICH PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT LOT 6 BLOCK 3042 PORT MALABAR UNIT 56 CLASSIFYING THE ITEMS EXEMPTED  PROVIDING FOR THE EXPIRATION DATE OF THE EXEMPTION, FINDING THAT THE BUSINESS MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION 196.1995 SUBSECTION 8 FLORIDA STATUES. PROVIDING FOR AN ANNUAL REPORT BY MIDWEST DENTAL ARTS, PROVIDING FOR A REVOCATION CLAUSE, PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT HEREWITH, PROVIDING FOR A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THANK YOU PATRICIA.

AT THIS TIME I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. MIDWEST DENTAL ARTS. MAYOR THE CITY. WE'RE GRANTING AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AD VALOREM  TAX EXEMPTION ON THEIR BEHALF. IT WAS PROJECT RAINBOW IT'S NOW MIDWEST DENTAL ARTS.I SHOULD PROBABLY PROVE IT HAD A NAME. IT'S  NOW BEEN NAMED. I CAN GO OVER THE AD VALOREM TAX WHERE STAFF CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THIS IS FOR FINAL READING THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? IF NOT I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, ASK COUNCIL FOR A MOTION. MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE 2019-40 FINAL READING. SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN SANTIAGO. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM COUNCIL? IF NOT I'M GONNA CALL IT. ALL IN FAVOR SAYAYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED SAY NAY. MOTION CARRIES. ITEM 8 PATRICIA. RESOLUTION 2019-24. A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY BREVARD COUNTY FLORIDA RELATING TO THE PROVISION OF STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SERVICES CONFIRMING THE PRELIMINARY RATE RESOLUTION FOR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SERVICES, CONTINUING THE IMPOSITION OF STORMWATER SERVICE ASSESSMENTS AND FEES AGAINST CERTAIN REAL PROPERTY WITHIN THE STORMWATER SERVICE AREA. APPROVING THE UPDATED STORMWATER ROWS PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. 18. EVERYBODY CAME UP. I GUESS LISA

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AND INTRODUCTIONS IS TRACY HILDRETH FROM OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.  YES, THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. HOW ARE YOU? MAYOR AND COUNCILMAN MY NAME IS TRACY AND I AM FROM PUBLIC WORKS AND A PUBLIC WORKS ACCOUNTANT. AND I'VE BROUGHT MY TEAM WITH ME TODAY. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME FIRST OFF FOR JUST SEEING ANOTHER PRESENTATION. HERE WE ARE AGAIN A SECOND YEAR TO GO THROUGH OR SEE WHAT KIND OF RATE WE NEED AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THERE. SO TODAY YOU'RE GOING TO ALLOW US JUST TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE STORMWATER UTILITY PROGRAM. JUST DISCUSS SOME OF THE RATE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR 2020. TONIGHT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE TWO YEAR FINANCIAL REVIEW, TALK ABOUT SOME DAILY OPERATIONAL MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES, DISCUSS THE CAPITAL STORMWATER PROJECTS AND REVIEW THE RATE FORECAST. JUST ASK FOR YOU TO HOLD YOUR QUESTIONS TILL THE END OF THE PRESENTATION BECAUSE WE'RE READY FOR YOU. OK. LET'S TAKE A FINANCIAL LOOK AT THE LAST TWO YEARS OF STORMWATER. IN 2018 THE FIRST YEAR WE IMPLEMENTED THE PROGRAM WITH AN APPROVED RATE OF 177.13 PUBLIC WORKS SPENT 7.6 MILLION WHICH IS 56 PERCENT OF THE TOTAL REVENUES COLLECTED. 5.9 MILLION HAS BEEN CARRIED FORWARD TO THIS FISCAL YEAR WITH THE APPROVED RATE OF 153. WE ESTIMATE TO SPEND 10.6 MILLION OF THE TOTAL REVENUES WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 64 PERCENT. KEEP IN MIND WE HAVE CAPITAL PROJECTS AND DESIGN CONSTRUCTION IN WHICH FUNDING IS ALLOCATED BUT NOT SPENT. IN THE TABLE WE SHOW THIS ALLOCATION IN THE DESIGNATED ACCOUNT LINE OF 4.9 MILLION. THE UNDESIGNATED ACCOUNTING LINE WILL CARRY FORWARD $1 MILLION  WHICH IS JUST ENOUGH TO FUND THE FIRST QUARTER PERSONNEL AND OPERATING EXPENSES FOR STORMWATER. THIS IS NECESSARY BECAUSE THE CITY DOESN'T BEGIN COLLECTING TAX ASSESSMENTS THROUGH THE TAX COLLECTOR UNTIL DECEMBER. BEFORE WE DISCUSS SOME OF THE OPERATION MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES HERE'S SOME INTERESTING FACTS ABOUT THE CITY'S STORMWATER. CANAL ASSETS. THE CITY HAS 1030 MILES OF SWALES WHICH LARGELY FLOW INTO THE 105 MILES OF DITCHES AND CANALS. THESE DITCHES AND CANALS DISCHARGE INTO THE MELBOURNE TILLMAN MAJOR CANALS THAT ALL FEED INTO THE INDIAN RIVER OR ST.

JOHN RIVER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT THE STORMWATER OPERATION MAINTENANCE. ACTIVITIES PERFORMED IN PUBLIC WORKS. WHILE THESE ARE NOT ALL OF OUR STORMWATER ACTIVITIES HERE'S A FEW HIGHLIGHTED ONES THAT WE'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU TODAY. DURING THE PAST TWO YEARS WE'VE COMPLETED CLEARING NINE MILES OUT OF THE RECOGNIZED 34 MILES OF CANALS THAT REQUIRE VEGETATION REMOVAL. WE'VE COMPLETED 373.8 MILES OF CANAL AND DITCH MOWING WHICH IS JUST OVER THREE FULL CYCLES. ALSO WE'VE RESHAPED 20 PERCENT OF OUR CANAL ASSETS. WE'VE COLLECTED 450 CUBIC YARDS OF DEBRIS IN THE TOTAL 12 CURB CYCLES AND 8 BRIDGE CYCLES FOR STREET SWEEPING. WE'VE TRENCHED 760,320 LINEAR FEET OF SWALES WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 14 PERCENT OF THE CITY'S SWALE ASSETS. WE'VE COMPLETED  6,500 LINEAR FEET OUT OF THE RECOGNIZED 12,600 LINEAR FEET OF OUTFALLS WING PIPES, LOT LINES AND SMALL ROAD CULVERTS. SINCE THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE STORMWATER ASSESSMENT AND PLANNING OF THE STORMWATER CAPITAL PROJECTS IN 2018 WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO COMPLETE CONSTRUCTION OF FOUR PROJECTS. WE CURRENTLY HAVE SIX PROJECTS IN CONSTRUCTION OR IN THE PROCUREMENT OUT TO BID PROCESS. WE ALSO HAVE FOUR PROJECTS IN DESIGN. IT'S WORTH NOTING THAT DURING THIS SECOND YEAR STORMWATER  CAPITAL PROJECT PRIORITIES HAS CHANGED TO

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JUST TO HIGHLIGHT AGAIN. I THINK IN THE PAST YOU'VE HAD SOME PROGRAMS AND LISTS OF CULVERT PROJECTS. CULVERT PROJECTS MEANING VARIATION BETWEEN PIPES AND CONCRETE CULVERTS. THAT PROJECT AND THAT LIST WE HAD IN THE PAST BEFORE I CAME ON BOARD CHANGED DRAMATICALLY WITH THE ROAD PROGRAM. ONCE THE PROGRAM STARTED IT HAD TO BE SHUFFLED. THE MATRIX IS THE SAME MATRIX THAT HAS PROBABLY CLOSE TO 100 DIFFERENT PIPES AND CULVERTS. YOU HAVE WAY MORE PIPES UNDER THE STREET PIPE SYSTEMS BUT JUST ON THE MAJOR PIPES AND CULVERTS THE LIST THAT THEY HAD PROGRAMMED OUT FOR I THINK A FIVE YEAR AND AN EIGHT YEAR PROGRAM. WITH THE ROAD PROGRAM STARTING RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST RESHUFFLING THAT SAME MATRIX TO MATCH UP WITH THE ROAD PROGRAM. THE QUESTION WOULD BE IS THERE SUFFICIENT MATCHING OF UNITS WITH THE ROAD PROGRAM WITH THE STORMWATER PROGRAM? THE GOOD NEWS RIGHT NOW IS WITH THE STORMWATER PROGRAM RIGHT NOW WE'RE RIGHT NOW AHEAD OF THE CURVE ON SAVINGS. WE ALREADY PROGRAMMED OUT ABOUT  1.5 MILLION. AND RIGHT NOW THEY'RE WAY UNDER THE PAR. WE HAVE ALMOST CLOSE TO A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN SAVINGS ALREADY. JUST BECAUSE THE PROJECTS ARE GETTING TIGHTER. WE HAVE A GOOD SELECTION OF CONTRACTORS OUT THERE. THEY'RE COMPETING FOR THE SAME PIPE PROJECTS. WE HAVE FIVE PROJECTS THAT ARE OUT RIGHT NOW. LARGE ONES. ALL OF THEM ARE UNDER THE ENGINEERS ESTIMATES AND WE'RE HOPING THAT CONTINUES. WE HOPE THAT CONTINUES WITH THE ROAD PROJECTS. SO THEN THE ROAD PROJECTS WILL START DROPPING DOWN IN ASPHALT PRICES. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HOPING WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BUNDLING THE PROJECTS AND CREATING A LARGER PROJECTS SCOPE THAT HOPEFULLY BRING IN THE LARGER CONTRACTORS AND DROP DOWN THE COST. THAT ALL BEING SAID DO WE MEET THE FEATURE UNITS. IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THE FIRST YEAR. COUNCIL ONLY APPROVED THE FIRST NEW ROAD PROGRAM AND WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT. JUST A HEADS UP OUR 3133 IT WOULD BE ADVERTISED TOMORROW. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE LARGEST PROJECTS WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. IT'S JUST THE AREA THAT HAS THE MOST IMPACTED STREETS. WE HAVE ESTIMATED ABOUT $11 MILLION OF OUR ENGINEER'S ESTIMATES. WE'LL HOPE THAT COMES IN WAY LESS. IF THOSE MATCH UP WITH THE PIPE PROJECTS WE'LL BE DOING FINE. BUT RIGHT NOW THOSE PIPE PROJECTS ARE OUT TOO. THOSE 31 32. ACTUALLY 31 WILL START CONSTRUCTION NEXT WEEK. CONTRACTORS ARE  READY TO START. SO THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION AGAIN: DOES IT MIRROR UP WITH WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR FORECAST? RIGHT NOW WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE OUT ALL THE PAST CULVERT PROJECTS WITH THE ROAD PROJECTS. IT'S HARD FOR ME TO DETERMINE AND ASCERTAIN IN FIVE YEARS IF WE'RE GONNA CATCH EVERY ONE, JUST LIKE THE ROAD PROGRAM. IT ALL DEPENDS ON HOW GOOD THESE COST COMES IN AND THE SAVINGS WE HAVE. HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERED THE QUESTION. SO DEPENDING ON NEXT MONTH WHEN WE START SEEING SOME OF THESE NUMBERS COME BACK? CORRECT. YEAH AND I'M DEFINITELY HIGHLY ANTICIPATING AS I'M SURE EVERYBODY IN PUBLIC WORKS IS WHAT THOSE NUMBERS LOOK LIKE. I DID HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. I THINK TRACY MAY BE BEST TO ANSWER. IF WE GO BACK I'M CURIOUS. IF WE GO BACK AND LOOK AT LAST YEAR'S AND THIS YEAR'S COLLECTIONS RATES. IT SAYS REVENUES COLLECTED. IS THAT ACTUAL? FOR 2018 THAT IS AN ACTUAL. FOR 2019 THAT IS IN OUR ESTIMATE BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW WE HAVE TWO MORE MONTHS LEFT IN THE FISCAL YEAR. OK. AND THAT'S BEEN UPDATED SINCE THE LAST QUARTER OR LAST OPPORTUNITY YOU HAD TO DO THE ESTIMATE? THE ESTIMATE FOR THIS YEAR? THIS IS VERY RECENT LIKE FOR PROBABLY MAYBE A WEEK OLD. OK. OR LESS BECAUSE WE PUT TOGETHER THE PRESENTATION AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GAVE YOU VERY UP TO DATE NUMBERS SO YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK. WHAT WAS OUR BUDGETED REVENUES FOR BOTH THOSE YEARS? DO YOU KNOW? DO YOU KNOW IF WE'RE ABOVE OR BELOW? HOLD ON. WE HAVE IT RIGHT HERE. ALL RIGHT. SO FOR 2018 I DON'T HAVE THE BUDGETED NUMBER FROM THIS REPORT FOR 2018 BUT FOR THIS YEAR OUR BUDGET NUMBER IS 13.6 MILLION. THAT'S INCLUDING CARRY FORWARD OR EXCLUDING CARRIED FORWARD?  THAT FOR THE BUDGET THAT WOULD BE INCLUDING CARRY FORWARD. OK. SO WE'RE ABOUT 3 MILLION OVER RIGHT? I DIDN'T HEAR YOUR EXACT NUMBERS. 13 SOMETHING RIGHT? WE HAD TO MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT THOUGH SO WHEN WE DID OUR ADJUSTMENT WE CAME BACK AT 10.6. SO WE HAD TO MAKE AN

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MESSED IT UP. THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH THESE NUMBERS. RIGHT. BUT I'M CURIOUS TO SEE IF OUR ACTUAL REVENUES COLLECTED EXCEEDED THE BUDGETED AMOUNT FOR 18 OR 19 OR IF THEY'RE BELOW OR WHERE WE'RE AT. THAT I DO HAVE. IT WAS 10.2 FOR JUST THE COLLECTED REVENUE WITHOUT ANY CARRY FORWARD AND WE HAVE 10. WE'RE ESTIMATED TO HAVE 10.6 SO WE'RE ONLY ABOUT 400,000 OVER.  AND WE DON'T  HAVE THE ANSWER TODAY ABOUT 2018? I DON'T BUT I CAN GET IT FOR YOU. THANK YOU. WITH THAT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BECAUSE I HAVE TO LET THE PUBLIC SPEAK. NO. OK. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY. MAYOR STAFF DOES HAVE A VIDEO TO SHOW SO IF WE'RE DONE WITH THE QUESTION AND ANSWERING AND THE PRESENTATION I'D LIKE TO LET THAT AT LEAST RUN. THERE'S YOUR PICTURES. OH I DIDN'T WANT TO INTERRUPT THE FLOW OF. OKAY. I APPRECIATE THAT. AND I  KNEW YOU WANTED TO SEE SOME PHOTOS SO WE DID HAVE A LITTLE SLIDESHOW. NO BIG DEAL. THANK YOU. [INAUDIBLE]. THANK YOU.  THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW I'M NOT AN ENGINEER AND CERTAINLY NOT. I'M NOT A PUBLIC WORKS GEEK. I'M MORE OF A IT GEEK AND YOU KNOW I LOVE THE BUDGET. BUT YOU KNOW FROM THE PICTURES YOU CAN JUST TELL THERE'S JUST A LOT OF RESOURCES THAT GO INTO THE STORMWATER PROGRAM. IT'S NOT JUST A LAY OF PIPE. IT'S SURVEY. IT'S COMMAND POWER. IT'S PREPPING. IT'S DOING. ITS ORDERING. THERE'S A LOT OF BACK OFFICE WORK ON PROCUREMENT AS YOU HAVE SEEN WITH THE ROAD PROGRAM HAVING TO BE COMPRESSED WITH OUR STORMWATER BIDS BEING PUT OUT AT THE SAME TIME. SO JUST WANNA GIVE BIG KUDOS TO STAFF OF PUBLIC WORKS FOR TONIGHT AND THE STORMWATER PROGRAM AS WE SEE MAJOR IMPROVEMENTS. I KNOW THAT WE ALL GO OH MY GOODNESS IT'S GOING TO RAIN, IT'S GOING TO FLOOD AND WE GO NO. NO WE'RE GOOD. WE'RE GOOD. IT'S LOOKING AND THEY CHECK THE WATER FLOWS. I KNOW THEY DO. THEY INSPECT THEIR PIPES. THEY DO A GOOD JOB SO THANK YOU COUNCIL AND THANK YOU FOR THAT. I WAS JUST HOPING THAT WE DO SEE SOMETHING  PICTURES OR VIDEOS AND THAT'S A GREAT VIDEO BECAUSE EVERYWHERE I DRIVE AROUND IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY I'M ALWAYS SEEING A PROJECT BEING DONE BY PUBLIC WORKS AND I KNOW STORMWATER IS ONE OF THOSE BIG PROJECTS SO AGAIN KUDOS TO YOU. I JUST WANT TO ECHO SOME OF WHAT LISA SAID. KUDOS TO ALL YOU GUYS FOR ALL YOU DO A GREAT JOB. I SEE YOU ALL WORKING SO HARD NOT ONLY THE OFFICE BUT OUT THERE AND IN THE HOT SWELTERING SUN. I MEAN THEY'RE OUT THERE AND THEY'RE MAKING IT HAPPEN AND THEY'RE CHANGING THE FACE OF OUR CITY. SO THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY. WITH THAT IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? BILL BATTIN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST. FIRST I SEE THE WORK. DON'T GET ME WRONG. GREAT ACCOMPLISHMENTS. WHAT  THE SPECIAL ASSESSMENT HAS ACCOMPLISHED. WITH THAT BEING SAID THOUGH I LOOK AT $177 VERSUS 153 FOR ONE ERU. THAT'S A REDUCTION IN $24 BUT IF I HAVE TO CARRY OUT

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STRAIGHT AND SIMPLE. WHEN YOUR RISK WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED UNDER  THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE THERE WAS TWO MINISTERS SITTING ON THERE THAT SAID YEAH LET'S DO A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT GOING ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT THEY WILL NEVER HAVE TO PAY THOUGH BUT WE'LL GET THIS REVENUE. IT'S IN VIOLATION. I DON'T WANT TO SEE MORE LEGAL PROBLEMS FACING THE STATE. I MEAN FACING THE CITY. BUT IT'S RIGHT THERE. YOU MADE IT A ONE MOMENT CHANGE SITTING UP THERE AT THE DIOCESE HE SAID WELL WE MADE A SMALL CHANGE AND GAVE THEM A BREAK. YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT.

CORRECT IT. BUT I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THIS SPECIAL ASSESSMENT FOR THE CITY. I JUST DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT YOU'RE TAKING OFF OF MY BACK TO PAY SOMEBODY ELSE'S. WITH THAT BEING SAID I HAVE A COPY OF THIS FOR THE COUNCIL IF THEY WANT IT. CAN I BRING IT UP. [INAUDIBLE]. WITH THAT BEING SAID THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OK. THANK YOU BILL. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM. RANDY [INAUDIBLE] 1209 SANCHEZ STREET. WHEN I WAS HERE TWO WEEKS AGO I WAS TELLING YOU I WAS DISAPPOINTED THAT RESOLUTION WASN'T UP HERE FOR THAT LAST MEETING AND IT'S BEEN A MONTH NOW YOU'VE GOT IT UP THAT'S GREAT. I JUST WANT TO SAY I SEE WHY IT WAS TAKING SO LONG YOU GUYS WERE BUSY GETTING CAMPAIGN VIDEOS GOING. YOU HAVEN'T EVEN VOTED ON IT YET. LET'S CAMPAIGN AFTER YOU VOTE ON IT. OK IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM.  IS IT FOR THIS ITEM. OK THEN COME UP PLEASE. IF IT DEALS WITH STORMWATER WITH THIS ITEM. IT DOES WITH SPECIFIC SPECIFICITY [INAUDIBLE] CONCERNS I HAD A QUESTION. OK.  JARED ELKINS 271 DISTRICT STREET SE PALM BAY FLORIDA 32909 THIS IS FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY. WITH REFERENCE TO THE STATE CONSTITUTION IS THAT NOT DIRECTLY POINTED TO SPECIFY TO SPECIFICALLY BENEFITING A RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION VERSUS THE AGGREGATE OF THE COMMUNITY. THAT WAS MY QUESTION. I JUST WAS HOPING WE COULD GET SOME CLARITY TO THAT. THANK YOU. THIS IS A QUESTION I HAD ADDRESSED BEFORE. THERE IS A SUPREME COURT CASE THE TRINITY LUTHERAN CHURCH OF COLUMBIA VERSUS COMER AND IN THAT THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT WHICH IS THE HIGHEST AUTHORITY HAS SAID IF YOU OFFER A BENEFIT TO A GROUP OF PEOPLE HERE THE EXEMPTIONS ARE FOR 501 C3S YOU CAN'T DISCRIMINATE AND SAY WELL ALL 501 C3S GET IT BUT IF YOU'RE A RELIGIOUS GROUP YOU CAN'T GET IT. IT VIOLATES THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION YOU CAN'T BE HOSTILE TO RELIGION. SO IF IT APPLIES IF [INAUDIBLE]

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THANK YOU WITH THAT. WITH THAT I'M GOING TO BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I'M GOING TO NEED A MOTION FOR THE RESOLUTION. [INAUDIBLE] I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2019-24 WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF ONE HUNDRED FIFTY THREE DOLLARS AND 13 CENTS. NEED A SECOND. SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM COUNCIL. MAYOR IF I MAY. YES. YEAH.

AND GREAT QUESTION BY THE WAY BECAUSE I WAS GONNA BRING THAT UP AND YOU KNOW FIRST OF ALL IF YOU DO LOOK AT THIS IT SAYS ANY CHURCH SECT OR RELIGIOUS DENOMINATION OR AN AID OF ANY SECTARIAN INSTITUTION WHICH WHICH IS NOT WHAT WE'RE DOING NUMBER ONE.

WE'RE NOT SINGLING OUT ANY ONE DENOMINATION OR CHURCH OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THIS IS FOR ALL 501 C 3S ALL NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS GOING ACROSS THE BOARD. BUT IF YOU WANT TO BE FAIR AND I'LL HAND THIS DOWN TO YOU NOW IF YOU WANT TO BE FAIR THOUGH YOU KNOW ABOUT WHO WE'RE ALSO PAYING FOR IT'S NOT JUST 501 C3 ORGANIZATIONS IT'S ALSO SCHOOLS, IT'S ALSO GOVERNMENT INSTITUTIONS, OR OTHER GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS OK. SORRY. EASTERN FLORIDA STATE COLLEGE BEING ONE OF THEM AND HAVE A MUCH LARGER CAMPUS. I'M PRETTY SURE THEY HAVE A MUCH LARGER RUNOFF AND WE'RE PAYING FOR THEM AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER. I WILL SAY THIS TWO AND SORT OF DELVING INTO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO IN NEW BUSINESS NUMBER ONE A LITTLE BIT BUT I DON'T WANT TO GO OFF A LITTLE TOO MUCH YOU KNOW WHEREAS THE ASSESSMENTS IS SORT OF ACROSS THE BOARD EVENLY TO EVERYONE WITHOUT THE ASSESSMENT NOW THAT ABILITY GOES AWAY. AND IF YOU REMEMBER WHAT WE HAD WITHOUT THE ASSESSMENTS WE HAD ABOUT I BELIEVE THE 25 PERCENT YOU KNOW DELINQUENCY PAYMENT. SO I MEAN PICK A CHOICE EITHER WAY IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE TO PAY FOR SOMEONE ANYWAY. I GUESS UNDER ASSESSMENT. IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE FAIR AND ACROSS THE BOARD. SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID I YOU KNOW I WISH WE CAN GO LOWER. I WOULD LIKE TO GO LOWER WHETHER IT'S JUST A FEW MORE BUCKS.

MY MY MY CONCERN HOWEVER IS THE FACT THAT WE MAY LOSE THE ASSESSMENT AND IF WE DO THEN WE MAY HAVE SOME DELINQUENCIES IN PAYMENTS. SO YOU KNOW THAT'S MY CONCERN.

ANOTHER THING I ALSO WANTED TO ADDRESS AS WELL BECAUSE YOU ALSO STATED THAT THERE WERE TWO MINISTERS ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION WHICH IS TRUE BUT I'M PRETTY SURE THAT THAT THEY DID NOT HAVE IN MIND BEING EXCLUDED FROM FROM ANY ASSESSMENTS.

I DON'T I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S THERE'S THERE'S NOTHING TO STATE THAT BUT I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. SO I WILL SUPPORT THIS. HOWEVER YOU KNOW WELL I'LL SEE WHERE THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL GOES WITH THIS WHETHER THEY WANT TO STAY 153 OR OR OR MOVE IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT. BUT I JUST FIGURE LET'S JUST GO WITH THIS NOW. I MEAN WE TOOK A REALLY BIG DROP FROM 177 TO 153. WE SAW THAT WE WERE BEHIND ABOUT 3 MILLION. YOU DID MAKE A GOOD POINT WHERE YOU KNOW IF WE DID CONTINUE TO LOWER IT DOWN THEN WE'RE CARRYING OVER LESS OVER THE NEXT YEAR AND THEN WE'RE JUST DRAGGING THIS OUT EVEN LONGER. BUT BUT THEN AGAIN YOU KNOW WE'LL SEE WHERE COUNCIL WANT TO GO WITH THIS SO. NO NO ACTUALLY NO I SECOND HIM BECAUSE I ACTUALLY HAD A QUESTION FOR A DEPUTY MAYOR ANDERSON WHEN HE LOWERED IT LAST YEAR WHAT ALL DID YOU TAKE IN CONSIDERATION DID YOU TAKE IN CONSIDERATION LIKE WHAT THE COSTS WILL BE WHETHER SAVINGS OR IF [INAUDIBLE] INCREASE DOWN THE LINE OVER THE YEARS OR YOU KNOW JUST. I HAVE NO PROBLEM ANSWERING THAT. I TOOK A TON OF THINGS IN CONSIDERATION AND I WISH I ASKED FOR SOME THINGS THAT WE WERE UNABLE TO HAVE BECAUSE YOU KNOW BUDGET SEASON IS COMING UP SO WE DON'T HAVE SOME FINAL NUMBERS OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A NEW DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS. SO WE'RE WORKING OUT ALL THE KINKS. BUT I WISH I HAD A LOT OF INFORMATION. ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED WAS A LIST OF EVERY PROJECT WE ACCOMPLISHED. WE HAD A GENTLEMAN WHO USED TO COME UP HERE. HE WOULD COME UP WITH A STOPWATCH AND TALK FOR THREE MINUTES ABOUT 17 PROJECTS WE WERE SUPPOSED TO DO WHEN WE STARTED THIS THING AND THEN WE ONLY GOT 6 TO 10 OF THOSE DONE. MR.

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AND I SAID WELL YOU GUYS SOLD ME A FIVE YEAR PROGRAM. I WENT OUT HERE I PUT MY POLITICAL CAREER ON THE LINE I DID A LOT OF THINGS AS A POLITICIAN PEOPLE DID NOT LIKE ME FOR AND THEN THE NEXT GO AROUND WAS DON'T LOWER IT. WELL NOW YOUR I DID SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE DIDN'T LIKE AND NOW YOU'RE TELLING ME AGAIN TO GO BACK AGAIN AND DO SOMETHING ELSE AND TELL THEM THAT I'M NOT GOING TO LOWER IT WHEN THE WHOLE TIME THIS PROGRAM HAS BEEN UP HERE IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A FIVE YEAR PROGRAM PAY CATCH UP AND THEN END THAT PROGRAM. TO ME THIS SHOULD BE PART OF THE PUBLIC WORKS BUDGET. NOW I GET THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO COME UP HERE AND ASK FOR EITHER 10 MILLION, 5 MILLION, 3 MILLION WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS TO MAINTAIN THE SYSTEM AT SOME POINT. WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT AS PART OF THE BUDGET. TO ME OBVIOUSLY IT'S WHEN THE FIVE YEAR CYCLE OF THIS PLAN [INAUDIBLE]. I REALLY DON'T LIKE THE ONE FIFTY THREE THIRTEEN NUMBER NOW. I MEAN IF YOU WANT MY NUMBER I'LL GIVE IT TO YOU. PROBABLY WOULDN'T LIKE IT BUT AT SOME POINT THIS HAS TO END AND WE HAVE TO PUT THE ONUS ON THE DEPARTMENT. TWO OF THE PICTURES WE SHOWED WERE WERE PEMBROKE AND PEBBLE. THESE ARE THE 2018 PROJECTS [INAUDIBLE] 19 PEMBROKE AND PEBBLE. THESE WEREN'T 2019 PROJECTS YOU KNOW THESE ARE LAST YEAR SO WE'RE PLAYING CATCH UP AND THE MORE RUSSELL [INAUDIBLE] TALKS ABOUT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO DO 17 PROJECTS AND WE ONLY DID 10 PROJECTS. I THINK THAT LOWERING IT ISN'T GOING TO HURT US AS MUCH AS WE THINK IT IS. I THINK IT DOES HURT A LITTLE BIT AND WE HAVE TO TIGHTEN DOWN AND WE EVENTUALLY HAVE TO PUT THAT MONEY INTO THE BUDGET. IF PUBLIC WORKS HAS TO COME SIT HERE AND JUSTIFY TO ME WHY THEY NEED THREE MILLION DOLLARS THAT'S FINE. I THINK WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN. I'M NOT SAYING GET RID OF THE ASSESSMENT TODAY AND EVEN HONESTLY I DON'T THINK THE ASSESSMENT IS GOING TO GO ANYWHERE UNTIL THE FIVE YEAR PERIOD IS OVER W WHATEVER COUNCIL IS HERE BUT. AND ME I MADE A PROMISE OF THE RESIDENTS IT WAS A FIVE YEAR THING AND I WAS GOING TO I SAID IT THAT NIGHT I WAS GONNA BRING THE RATE DOWN EVERY TIME AND I'M NOT GOING TO SIT HERE AND DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I SAID HERE. [INAUDIBLE].

[INAUDIBLE]. I THINK SO FAR. I'M SORRY. THE RECOMMENDATION FROM FROM STAFF IN ORDER TO CONTINUE THE MISSION THAT THEY'RE [INAUDIBLE] IT'S A REALITY THAT THE MILK HAS ALREADY SPILLED. OK. AND SOME WERE FOR IT SOME WERE AGAINST. BUT STAFF RIGHT NOW IS WORKING ON PROJECTS IN THE COMMUNITY. I THINK THAT IF PROGRESSIVELY WE BRING IT DOWN BECAUSE THAT WAS THE WHOLE CONCEPT. NOW WE'RE MARRYING STORM WATER WITH ROADS AS THE ROAD PROGRAM GETS GOING. AND IT'S KIND OF LIKE SEEING THE LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL IN REGARDS TO WHERE PALM BAY USED TO BE TO WHERE IT'S GOING. SO FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE I'M GOING TO STICK WITH WITH THE ORIGINAL PLAN WITH STAFF. I THINK THAT WE WE WE TAKE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IF WE WANT TO BRING IT DOWN TO A DOLLAR WE CAN BRING IT DOWN TO A DOLLAR BUT IT WON'T BE REALISTIC BECAUSE REMEMBER YEAR TO YEAR THEY HAVE TO DO WITH SHOVEL READY PROJECTS. IN ORDER TO GET THE SHOVEL READY YOU HAVE TO DO DESIGN. SO IN HINDSIGHT I DON'T THINK THAT TOO MANY PEOPLE THOUGHT THAT THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY WAS GOING TO BE AVAILABLE TO DO THIS. SO YOU'RE PLAYING CATCH UP NOW BECAUSE AT THE BEGINNING THAT WAS THE PART OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET READY TO DEAL WITH IN NEW BUSINESS NUMBER ONE. SO THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF HESITATION OF WHETHER TO START THE PROGRAM OR NOT. AND THAT'S WHY EVERYTHING IS KIND OF LAGGING BEHIND. AND YOU HAVE TO DESIGN THE PROJECT BEFORE YOU CAN EXECUTE IT. SO I THINK WE'RE AT A PLACE THAT THE EXECUTION IS STARTING TO HAPPEN AND LET IT TAKE ITS COURSE. WE'LL DEAL WITH ITEM 1 WHEN WE GET TO ITEM 1 ON THE NEW BUSINESS. BUT FOR NOW I THINK THAT STAFF IS MAKING A RECOMMENDATION AND I THINK WE SHOULD FOLLOW THROUGH. MAYOR AND IF I MAY JUST FOLLOW UP WITH YOU AND WITH DEPUTY MAYOR ANDERSON SAID YOU KNOW WHAT REMEMBER THAT PICTURE THAT YOU SHOWED IF YOU NOTICE DEPUTY MAYOR ANDERSON IT DID NOT SHOW THE FINAL PRODUCT AFTER THE FACT. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THAT AS THE MAYOR SAID WHERE WE'RE SORT OF LAGGING BEHIND YES BUT WE'RE WE'RE NOW YOU KNOW AFTER THE DESIGN PHASE NOW YOU KNOW GETTING GETTING INTO THE EXECUTION OF AND WE SEE THIS ALL THE TIME EVEN AT THE TPO YOU KNOW THERE YOU KNOW THERE'S THE DESIGN, THERE'S THE PROCUREMENT, AND THEN THERE'S THE ACTUAL EXECUTION WHEN THINGS ARE ACTUALLY HAPPENING. BUT I WILL SAY THIS YOU KNOW AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR

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AGAIN DO YOU WANT TO SEE THIS DRAGGED OUT ANY LONGER THAN WHAT WE HAVE TO. THAT'S THE QUESTION. 2 PERCENT COLLECTION IS FAR LESS THAN ACTUALLY WHEN WE MAILED BILLS FOR OUR COLLECTION RATE WAS BETWEEN 3, 4, AND 5 PERCENT. I LOOK BACK ON THE FIVE YEAR WHEN WE SENT OUT NOTICES TO THE PUBLIC THROUGH THE UTILITY BILLING SO THE 2 PERCENT I CAN LIVE WITH IT BECAUSE IT'S BETTER. ON THE ACTUAL RATE. SO WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF SINGLE FAMILY HOME PERMITS BEING PULLED SO ON TO DEPUTY MAYOR ANDERSON YOUR POINT AND YOUR POINT AS WELL. I THINK WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS NEXT YEAR NOW REMEMBER FIRST YEAR WAS GETTING IT OFF THE GROUND THERE WAS A LOT OF CAPITAL EXPENSES THAT WERE WERE WERE WERE UTILIZED. TWO THINGS THAT ARE WORKING IN OUR SUPPLY AND DEMAND RIGHT. SO THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT ARE NOT WORKING IN OUR FAVORITE. NUMBER ONE CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS IS GOING UP BUT THE NUMBER OF HOUSES AND INFILL IS GOING UP IN PALM BAY SO I'M HOPING THAT THERE'S  A LEVEL BALANCE THAT WHEN WE RE-EVALUATE THIS NEXT YEAR THE WE CAN SHOW THE RATE GOING DOWN. THIS YEAR WHEN WE DID THE TREND RATE WE DO SHOW IT GOING [INAUDIBLE] FOR 144 BUT BASED ON THE TREND KNOWLEDGE THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW NOT ACTUAL DATA IT WAS SHOWING THAT WE HAD TO GO BACK UP TO ONE SEVENTY SEVEN THE NEXT YEAR. SO IT'S BETTER TO TREND INSTEAD OF YOU KNOW DIPPING AND FLOWING LEAVING THE RATE FLAT AND TRENDING IT OUTWARD. ALSO BEING COMPRESSED WITH THE TIME FUNCTION OF THE ROAD PROGRAM BEING TIED CLOSELY. WE ARE NOT JUST FOCUSED ON JUST THE BIGGER CULVERTS WE HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN THEM BUT WE ARE REALLY TIED INTO THOSE LOCAL UNDER THE ROAD PROGRAMS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING TO DO THE STORMWATER IN THE UNIT THAT WE EVEN HAVE APPROVAL TO DO WE WON'T [INAUDIBLE] WOULDN'T WOULDN'T SPEND THE MONEY OUT OF THE ROAD BOND BUT WAIT TILL YOU [INAUDIBLE] FIX THE ROAD UNDERNEATH AND THAT WOULD JUST DELAY THE ROAD PROGRAM.

THIRD POINT RUSSELL [INAUDIBLE] I SPENT AN HOUR AND A HALF IN MY OFFICE THE OTHER DAY SO HE ALSO HAD THE SAME CONCERN AND I DID TALK WITH HIM HE WAS GAVE ME A LOT OF GREAT DATA WHICH HE ALWAYS DOES HE SENDS ME A LETTER EVERY WEEK WHICH I ENJOY BECAUSE IT'S FUN. RUSS AND I WATCH THE SAME SHOW BUT IT'S NO LONGER ON THE AIR SO WE HAVE SOMETHING IN COMMON. BUT HIS CONCERN WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE STILL DOING THE MAJOR PRODUCTS. AND WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT YEAR TWO OF THE ROAD PROGRAM YEAR TWO IS [INAUDIBLE] CLOSURE AREA WATERBURY, FERGUSON, AND I DON'T KNOW THE OTHER THREE I JUST KNOW  IT'S IN AN EMAIL I JUST REMEMBER THOSE TWO BECAUSE I REMEMBER THE CROWD THAT CAME

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OTHER THAN THAT WE'RE COMING UP WITH NEW SOLUTIONS AT THE END OF THAT FIVE YEARS.

AND WHEN I TALKED ABOUT MAKING IT THAT PART OF THEIR BUDGET THAT'S A COMMITMENT THAT I MADE TO THE FOLKS THAT WHEN I IMPLEMENTED THIS THING AND WE ALL TOOK A LOT OF HEAT FOR IMPLEMENTING THIS THAT IT WAS A FIVE YEAR TIMETABLE. WE CAN'T PAT OURSELVES ON THE BACK TOO MUCH BECAUSE SOME OF THEM ROADS WERE CLOSED FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS. YEAH WE HAD A GREAT POT OF MONEY TO FIX GARVEY AND FIX NEVADA BUT I KNOW YOU GUYS GOT A TON A TON OF EMAILS ON FIX THESE ROADS FIX THESE ROADS IT WASN'T TILL WE GOT THIS MONEY THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY FIX THOSE ROADS SO WE WERE ALWAYS PLAYING CATCH UP. NOW WE'RE IN IT'S IT'S NOT A GOOD POSITION BUT WE HAVE ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF ROAD MONEY THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE FIXING ROADS. NOW OBVIOUSLY THERE HAD TO BE SOME PART OF THE BUDGET THAT WENT TO ROAD REPAIRS WENT TO EMERGENCY ROAD REPAIRS. I MEAN IF YOU'RE TELLING ME THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE SOME EXTRA MONEY I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE FIGURES IN FRONT OF ME I DON'T HAVE EVERY SINGLE PROJECT WE DID WHAT THE COST OF THE PROJECT WAS WHERE WE WERE AT WHERE WE SAID WE WERE GONNA BE AT ORIGINALLY ONE OF THE REASONS I LOWERED IT IS BECAUSE THE EXPECTATION WAS BETWEEN 11 AND 12 MILLION DOLLARS AND STORMWATER GOT FOURTEEN POINT ONE MILLION DOLLARS. THE EXPLANATION AT THE TIME WAS A 2.8 MILLION DOLLAR DEFICIENCY MADE UP WHEN IT WENT ON THE TAX BILL. BUT I KNOW THAT WASN'T THE CASE BECAUSE THE PERSON THAT OWED THE 2 MILLION DOLLARS IS STILL ISN'T PAYING IT HE WAITS TILL HE SELLS THE PROPERTY TO PAY IT SO. NOW I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR YOU. AND THAT'S LET ME JUST GET TO THE POINT THAT WAY. OK. SO MY MY RATE WAS 113 BECAUSE AND WASN'T ARBITRARY NUMBERS AND I BELIEVE IT WAS 24 JUST WE WORKED IT THAT WAY. IT WAS 20, 40, 60,E 80 TO GET RID OF THE STORMWATER FEE LIKE WE SAID WE DID.

SO MY NUMBER WAS 113 20 LAST YEAR THEN MINUS 40 THIS YEAR. MY NUMBER COMING IN BECAUSE I REALIZED THE SITUATION [INAUDIBLE] THE ROAD PROGRAM WAS 133 13. SO IF ANYBODY WANTED MY SUPPORT THAT'S WHERE I WAS AND I COULD JUSTIFY THAT TO EVERYBODY THROUGH THE NUMBERS AND I WISH I HAD ALL THE PAPERWORK THAT I WANTED. I DON'T HAVE IT HERE TONIGHT BUT I THINK YOU OWE IT TO THE RESIDENTS TO DO WHAT EVERYBODY SAT HERE AND SAID THEY WERE GONNA DO. THAT'S IT SIR. WELL. WANT ME TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR YOU. OK. THERE IS NO MAGIC POT OF MONEY THAT WAS THERE PRIOR TO THE STORMWATER OR EVEN THE 150 MILLION DOLLAR BOND FOR THE ROADS. SO THE REALITY IS THAT THERE WAS NO MONEY. AND THAT'S WHY THERE WERE A LOT OF ROAD CLOSURES WERE HAPPENING BECAUSE AS THE ROADS WERE FAILING THERE WAS NO OTHER OPTION THAN TO CLOSE THEM. SO THERE WAS.

IT'S HARD TO GET TO THE MAGICAL [INAUDIBLE] THAT'S WHY SOMETIMES I SAY TO CERTAIN RESIDENTS I WANT TO DO THIS BUT I DON'T WANT TO MAKE NO PROMISES BECAUSE WHEN YOU MAKE PROMISES YOU GOTTA KEEP. I'M NOT SAYING MAGICAL MONEY I'M JUST SAYING WE LIKE WE SPENT MONEY ON ROBERT J. COLLINS TO FIX THAT AND IT COMES FROM DIFFERENT AREAS. I'M JUST SAYING WE SPENT MONEY ON ROAD REPAIRS THAT ESSENTIALLY YOU SHOULD NOT WHEN 31 AND 32 ARE DONE IF A YEAR LATER YOU'RE OUT THERE SPENDING MONEY ON A ROAD REPAIR. WE GOT ISSUES WITH THE CONTRACTOR. THAT'S ONLY THE ONLY POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE. BUT I UNDERSTAND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY BUT REMEMBER THERE IS TWO COMPONENTS HERE. YOU HAVE A ROAD AND THEN YOU HAVE YOUR PIPES, AND THEY'RE MARRIED TOGETHER. YOU PUT THE ROADS DOWN AND SIMILAR TO WHAT THE COUNCILMAN SAID YOU JUST GOING TO YOU JUST PUTTING LIPSTICK ON A PIG. THAT'S WHY THE MARRIAGE OF THE BOTH IT'S THE FIRST TIME IN PALM BAY HISTORY OK. THAT BOTH THINGS ARE HAPPENING AT THE SAME TIME AND THAT'S THE PATIENT PART. IT'S LIKE ANYTHING YOU YOU YOU YOU ROLL THE DICE ON SOMETHING YOU THINK IS RIGHT. YOU YOU'VE GOT TO STICK WITH IT BECAUSE THE REALITY IS IT'S IN MOTION. THE PEOPLE ARE SEEING CONSTRUCTION HAPPENING AND THE REALITY IS ONCE YOU GET CERTAIN THINGS DONE LIKE THE STORMWATER AND THE ROADS PROPERTY VALUES GO UP AND THAT'S THE COMPONENT THAT WAS MISSING FROM PALM BAY. AND ONLY I THINK I WAS THE ONLY ONE ON COUNCIL WHEN THE MILLAGE RATE WAS HITTING NINE AND EVERY TIME IT WAS HITTING NINE AND PEOPLE WERE YELLING BUT I WAS WILLING TO ROLL THE DICE ON THE NINE BECAUSE I KNEW WE WERE GOING THROUGH SOME TRYING TIMES. AND SOMETIMES WHEN YOU SIT UP HERE YOU MAKE DECISIONS BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION. THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO DO WHAT THEY DO BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO. THEY'RE GOING TO DO PETITIONS, THEY'RE GOING TO DO ALL

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SINCE YOU'RE GOING AND GOING SO WE COULD GET TO THE FINAL. YOU WANT TO BRING IT FURTHER DOWN FROM 153. I THOUGHT 133 13 WAS WAS A DECENT NUMBER THAT WE COULD LIVE WITH NOT EVERYBODY IS GONNA BE HAPPY. NOT EVERYBODY'S GONNA BE SMILES. I WANTED TO BRING IT TO 113 13 BUT I SIT HERE AS A RATIONAL PERSON THINKING OK WE CAN MAKE 133. I WOULD MAYOR IF I MAY JUST VERY QUICKLY IF IF IF I IF I WOULD DECREASE IT I WOULDN'T MIND DECREASING IT BY DOUBLE OF WHAT I WANTED TO DECREASE IT LAST TIME. I KNOW YES OK I ONLY WANTED TO DECREASE IT TO 2 DOLLARS AND 50 CENTS BUT AGAIN THEY WERE BASED ON ACTUAL NUMBERS SO I WOULD BE WILLING ONLY JUST TO DOUBLE THAT TO FIVE DOLLARS DOWN TO 148 13. I WAS STILL BE REDUCTION IT WILL STILL BE DOUBLE BASED ON THE NUMBERS THAT I GOT LAST YEAR WHICH IS AN ARBITRARY. AND AT LEAST IT WON'T BE SUCH A YOU KNOW A DRASTIC REDUCTION. BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE CAN STILL MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A REAL MAINTENANCE PROGRAM. WE'RE GOING TO WE'VE GOT WE'VE GOT TO DO THIS IT'S GOING TO START IN AUGUST. SO SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THAT MONEY THAT WE GOT EVERYTHING GOING AND WE START AND WE START DOING YOU KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO DO HERE.

LET'S. COUNCILMAN BAILEY. THANK YOU MAYOR. I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THINGS REAL QUICK. ONE IS THERE THERE I AGREE WITH DEPUTY MAYOR THAT WE WERE SOLD THIS WHOLE IDEA OF THE 25 PERCENT DELINQUENCY RATE AND HOW THAT WAS KILLING OF OUR ABILITIES TO DO ANYTHING BUT WHENEVER WE GOT HERE THAT NIGHT AND I REMEMBER DISTINCTLY BECAUSE I'M THE ONE WHO HAS TO QUESTION ASKED A QUESTION AND BECAUSE IT ALWAYS BEEN REPRESENTED THAT WAS 25 PERCENT OF REVENUES. IT'S NOT 25 PERCENT REVENUES OR 25 PERCENT ACCOUNTS MAINLY VACANT LOTS. MAINLY VACANT LOTS AS DEPUTY MAYOR SAID ARE BEING PAID UPON THEIR CELL OK BY THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SELLING THEM. SO IT'S NOT THAT THEY WERE NOT EVER COLLECTIBLE BUT THEY WERE DELINQUENT. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT AS FAR AS WHAT'S BEING LEVIED IT WAS CLOSER TO 6 OR 7 PERCENT THAT WAS THE ANSWER GIVEN THAT NIGHT BY STAFF. AND BECAUSE BECAUSE THEY CAME OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WE HAD THAT WAS THE NIGHT WHERE WE HAD THE CHICKEN LITTLE THE SKY IS FALLING AND I THINK A LOT OF FOLKS PROBABLY REMEMBER THAT THAT NIGHT THAT'S WHAT WAS SOLD TO US. AND I DON'T WANT US TO GET CAUGHT UP INTO THE SKY IS FALLING.

WE CERTAINLY WANT MORE [INAUDIBLE] STAFF WANTS TO DO A LOT OF WORK AND THEY WANT TO DO A GOOD JOB AND THAT'S THAT'S GREAT. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT ACTUAL TAXES LEVIED IN 6 TO 7

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IT WAS OVER 10 PERCENT WAS CLOSE TO 11 AND A HALF PERCENT ELEVEN POINT FOUR PERCENT.

MUCH HIGHER THAN 6 TO 7 PERCENT NOT INCLUDING THE 2 PERCENT THAT WE'RE PAYING OUT TO THE TAX COLLECTOR TO PAY FOR IT. SO THE EFFICIENCY OF THE PROCESS IS IS A MISNOMER. WE CAN MOVE THE EXACT SAME TYPE OF PROGRAM OVER BACK TO A USER FEE AND PROBABLY COLLECT THE SAME IF NOT MORE. SO I DON'T WANT TO BE SCARED WE'VE GOT 5 BECAUSE FOLKS IF YOU'RE LISTENING WHAT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A FIVE YEAR PROGRAM [INAUDIBLE] WITH SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS WHEN YOU INITIALLY DO IT WE HAVE TO GIVE A PUBLIC NOTICE. WE HAVE TO DO A CERTIFIED LETTER TO EVERY SINGLE PROPERTY OWNER EVERY SINGLE PROPERTY THAT TELLS THEM HOW MUCH THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE [INAUDIBLE] WHAT IT'S FOR FOR HOW LONG AND GIVE THEM AND GIVE THEM AN EXPLANATION OF HOW IT WAS CALCULATED HOW TO CALCULATE IT. ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT STARTED IN 17 WE'RE LOOKING AT 22 BEING THE END OF THAT. THAT WILL NOT BE THE END OF US HAVING TO DO STORMWATER. WE HAD A STORMWATER PROGRAM PREVIOUSLY. THE PREVIOUS RATE WAS AROUND FIFTY FIVE BUCKS A YEAR. OK MUCH LOWER ABOUT A THIRD OF WHERE WE WERE WITH THIS LAST ONE. HOWEVER THERE WERE SOME NUANCES IT WAS CALCULATED DIFFERENTLY. REGARDLESS THERE WAS A PROGRAM THAT PROGRAM WAS STARTED IN 2010 I BELIEVE 2010 2011.

PREVIOUS TO THAT IT WAS AS THE DEPUTY MAYOR SAID SUPPOSED TO BE AT LEAST IN THEORY VERY SCARCELY BUDGETED BUT IT WAS PART OF THE ACTUAL GENERAL FUND BUDGET. SO WE MOVED FROM GENERAL FUND BUDGET TO USER FEE. THEN WE USED USER FEE TO GET SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS UNDER THE UNDER THE IDEA THAT WE WERE GOING TO COLLECT MORE MONEY THAT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT'S NOT BEING FAIRLY DONE. THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE GETTING OFF AND THAT WE'RE GOING TO COLLECT MORE MONEY. AND NOW HERE WE'RE SITTING WITH EVEN MORE PEOPLE NOT PAYING THE REVENUE. THAT'S A PROBLEM FOR ME. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS ON THE SAME PAGE. WE DON'T KEEP REPEATING THE SAME NARRATIVE. I THINK THERE IS A VERY SPECIFIC NARRATIVE PUT TOGETHER IN 2016 WHEN THIS GOT VOTED ON BY THE FOLKS IN 2017 AS WE PRESENTED IT AND QUITE FRANKLY THE PUBLIC WASN'T BUYING IT. NOW THEY MIGHT NOT ALSO UNDERSTAND AND AND ANYBODY WHO'S LISTENING. THERE ARE CERTAINLY NEEDS THERE ARE NEEDS. AND WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THEM. I'VE NEVER SAID THAT'S GOING TO BE ZERO. I'VE ALWAYS BEEN HONEST WITH FOLKS. YOU KNOW I ALWAYS EXPECTED TO BE CLOSER TO WHERE IT WAS BEFORE WHICH WAS IN THE 55 DOLLAR YEAR RANGE. I MEAN LOOK I WANT IT LOWER. I MEAN IF IT ENDED UP BEEN 65 DOLLARS 70 BUCKS THAT'S WHAT I WAS EXPECTING I WASN'T EXPECTING A HUNDRED SEVEN DOLLARS WHENEVER THAT GOT VOTED IN AND THE VOTERS I DON'T THINK WE'RE EXPECTING THAT. AND SO I AGREE WITH THE DEPUTY MAYOR WE NEED TO WORK ON REDUCING THIS. LOOK IDEALLY WE WOULD REDO AND HAVE EVERYTHING PERFECT BEFORE EVERY ROAD'S READY. BUT THE REALITY IS THAT SOME OF THOSE ROADS CAN BE DONE AND THE [INAUDIBLE] NOT GOING TO COLLAPSE THE NEXT YEAR OR THE YEAR AFTER THE YEAR AFTER THAT. IT MIGHT BE 5 10 YEARS LATER. SO IN OTHER WORDS THE STORMWATER PROJECTS CAN STILL COME IN LATER WITH LOWER RATE AND WE CAN STILL FIX THE PROBLEM. SO THAT THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE. WE NEED TO LOOK I DO WANT TO HAVE ENOUGH TO DO THE CRITICAL PROJECTS BUT WE HAVE TO LOWER IT. SO THAT'S WHY I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT KEEPING IT WHERE IT'S AT. AND SO I'M GOING TO LISTEN TO THE REST DISCUSSION SEE WHERE IF IT GETS NEGOTIATED TO ANY LOWER POINT I GUESS IT'S KIND OF [INAUDIBLE] BACK ON THE [INAUDIBLE] JOHNSON.

YEAH I THINK IT'S AT THE END. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. YES THANK YOU. SO THAT'S WHY I ASKED DEPUTY MAYOR ANDERSON THE QUESTION REGARDING WHERE HE GOT THE RATE FROM LAST YEAR AND IF HE HAD BECAUSE I DO RECALL HIM SAYING THAT HE WANTED TO CONSTANTLY LOWER IT. I DO REMEMBER YOU SAYING THAT DEPUTY MAYOR BUT I WANTED TO SEE WHAT YOU ARE BASING OFF OF THIS YEAR BECAUSE THE LAST THING I WANT TO DO IS YOU KNOW JEOPARDIZE WHAT YOU HAVE GOING AND WHAT WE HAVE GOING WITH THE ROAD BOND. THAT'S THE THING THAT I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED WITH WHERE IF WE LOWER IT TOO MUCH THEN WE YOU KNOW WE MESS UP AND THAT'S THE THAT'S THE THING THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IT'S HAPPENING AND YOU'LL RATHER BE SAFE THAN SORRY. SO THAT'S WHY I ASKED YOU THAT QUESTION. I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBERS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE STAFF WASN'T ABLE TO PROVIDE EVERYTHING. WELL WELL AND THAT'S THAT'S THE THING NONE OF US HAVE THE EXACT NUMBERS. SO I'M MORE MORE COMFORTABLE LOWERING IT BECAUSE YOU THINK IF THIS WAS A THING THAT COULDN'T HAPPEN THAT THEY WOULD HAVE ALL THIS IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT NOW MET WITH ME A THOUSAND TIMES BECAUSE THEY KNEW MY INTENTION WAS TO COME HERE AND LOWER IT BECAUSE I SAID IT. I SAID IT TWICE NOW ON RECORD. I RECALL. MULTIPLE TIMES. NOW LET ME ASK I NEED TO ASK THE CITY MANAGER A QUESTION. THERE'S TWO FOLKS ON RECORD [INAUDIBLE] JUST TO BE CLEAR. SO  WE JUST NEED ONE. I UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND. HOLD ON ONE SECOND. DON'T GET SO EXCITED. I KNOW THAT

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JOHNS HAS A PERMIT COST THE STATE HAS PERMITS COST IT GOES IN THERE AND THE STATE [INAUDIBLE] HAS A PERMIT COST. THERE'S THAT FUNCTION OF OPERATIONAL COST.

THEN THERE'S A CAPITAL EQUIPMENT. THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE THOSE ARE THE BIGGER TICKET ITEMS RIGHT THERE THE EXCAVATOR OR BACKHOE A FEW INSPECTOR TRUCKS [INAUDIBLE] FRONTIERS THEY'RE DUMP TRUCKS THERE'S WE SAW A LOT OF THAT IN THE SAME [INAUDIBLE] YOU KNOW IN THE VIDEO. THERE'S JUST A LOT OF CAPITAL THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT YOU'RE NOT LIFTING TWO BY FOURS YOU'RE LIFTING LARGE CULVERTS AND SOME OF THE LARGER CAPITAL PROJECTS. THE SMALLER PIPES THAT WE CAN DO WE CAN DO WITH OUR LINING SERVICES WHICH IS ALSO NEW WHICH WE'VE HAVE I THINK WE HAD 15 PROJECTS HALF A  MILLION DOLLARS THAT WOULD COME OUT OF PRICEY  OPERATIONAL CAPITAL. I'M ASSUMING IT CAME OUT OF I'M JUST GONNA GUESS CAME OUT OF OPERATION CAPITAL. PROJECTS. MOST OF THE PROJECTS OBVIOUSLY ARE COME FROM THE CAPITAL. WE DO HAVE SOME SMALLER LIKE SMALLER PIPES COME OUT OF THE OPERATIONAL. OK. IF YOU WANT JUST REALLY QUICK WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OPERATIONAL ONE POINT EIGHT MILLION OF THAT IS FOR THE ACTUAL DIRT DIGGING.

STUFF. THE ROTOR FUN STUFF THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT. [INAUDIBLE]. AND THEN THE OTHER PART IS THERE ARE SOME ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS SUCH AS LIKE THE PERMITTING AND PENS AND PAPERS AND UNIFORMS AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT BUT. SAFETY EQUIPMENT, GOGGLES, HATS. BUT MAJORITY OF THAT IS SO. SO IMAGINE I'M GOING TO GET TO THE POINT OF THE MAGIC QUESTION OF WHERE DO WE NEED TO BE. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT NUMBER IF YOU WANT IT TO BE HALF THE REVENUE YOU COLLECT THEN YOU'RE GOING TO DO HALF THE WORK OR YOU WILL BE DOING SOME [INAUDIBLE]. SO AT A MINIMUM IF YOU WANT TO [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] SWALE AND WE DON'T DO ANY CAPITAL PRODUCTS WE JUST TAKE OUT THE ONE POINT TWO WE TAKE OUT THE THREE POINT FIVE YEAH THERE'S A [INAUDIBLE] FOR IT BUT YOU'VE ALREADY HAD YOU'VE ALREADY MARRIED THOSE THOSE ARE BEING SPENT DOWN IN THAT IN THAT IT'S ALREADY BEING SPENT DOWN BECAUSE WE ALREADY KNOW WE HAVE MORE PROJECTS TO DO OTHER THAN THE FIVE YEAR PROGRAM THAT WAS PRESENTED TWO YEARS AGO. [INAUDIBLE] WHERE A LOT OF THE STUFF GOES AWAY. I MEAN WHAT'S THE THRESHOLD IS THE THRESHOLD IS ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THE 133 13. I KNOW YOUR ASK IN ORDER TO GET THE DIE IS TO AGREE ON SOMETHING. YOUR ASK WAS 153. I DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. IT SEEMS LIKE COUNCIL HAS AN ISSUE WITH THAT. SO WHAT'S THE THRESHOLD WHERE IT BECOMES AN ISSUE. I HAVE SOME NUMBERS. [INAUDIBLE]. WHERE IT SHOWS THE RATE DROP AND COME UP.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THAT. [INAUDIBLE]. WAS KIND OF THE. DO YOU WANT ME TO SHOW IT. DO YOU HAVE

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I HAVE SOME. THAT'S. OK. [INAUDIBLE]. THEN YOU CAN DO F5 OR. MAGICALLY DELICIOUS. [INAUDIBLE].

HERE'S THE HERE'S THE ONE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER ABOUT WHERE IF WE LEAVE IT AT 15313 THIS YEAR NEXT YEAR FOR FISCAL YEAR 2021 YOU'LL SEE WE'LL HAVE TO INCREASE THE RATE AT 160 64 TO KEEP UP WITH THE CURRENT YOU KNOW THE PROJECTS AND ALL THE MAINTENANCE THAT WE'RE DOING. AND OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T GO BACK UP TO 160 64 WITHOUT SPENDING ANOTHER HUNDRED AND TWENTY THOUSAND DOLLARS TO INFORM ALL OF THE RESIDENTS BECAUSE WE'VE LOWERED THAT OUR MAXIMUM TO 15313. AND I'D LIKE TO I'D LIKE TO JUST INTERRUPT FOR ONE SECOND. THE REALLY KEY POINT ON THIS IS THIS [INAUDIBLE] TOP AND THERE'S BUT THERE'S A CARRY FORWARD BOUNCE AT THE BOTTOM SO YOU KNOW WE HAD FIVE POINT NINE. WE CARED FOUR IN THAT FIRST YEAR. BUT LOOK AT ONE POINT FOUR, ONE POINT THREE, ONE POINT SIX, ONE POINT SIX, IT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE TO TO REDUCE HOWEVER IF THE COUNCIL ADOPTS A LOW RATE AND WE COULD I COULD I COULD SUGGEST THE 3 PERCENT CAP THE OTHER WAY AS A DISCOUNT YOU KNOW I HAVE 3 PERCENT [INAUDIBLE] OPERATING I GET AN EXTRA ONE POINT SEVEN MILLION [INAUDIBLE] PUT INTO THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECT DEPARTMENT THEY'RE BUDGETED AT 5.5 MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE WORK THAT THEY DON'T DO IN STORMWATER. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ROAD MAINTENANCE PROGRAM WE HAD THIS ACTUALLY THE CBAB HAD THE SAME THING I SAID 10 MILLION DOLLARS YOU GOT TO GET THERE. WELL I GUESS PUBLIC WORKS YOU JUST TAKE THAT DEPARTMENT AWAY AND JUST PUT IN ROAD MAINTENANCE AND OUTSOURCE THE WHOLE THING BUT THEN YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING ELSE BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER FUNCTIONS THAT GO THERE. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT BUDGETING AND WHAT NOT WE WE LOOKED AT WHAT WE COULD DO WITHIN OUR MEANS FOR THAT 3 PERCENT CAP. WE COULD TAKE A 3 PERCENT BACK THE OTHER WAY WE HAVE A REDUCTION THAT WAY.

IT'S ABOUT WHAT MR. [INAUDIBLE] COUNCILMAN SANTIAGO ACTUALLY [INAUDIBLE]148 AND CHANGE. YEAH SO WE'RE BASING IT ON SOMETHING IT'S JUST NOT ARBITRARY. AND I WILL BE FINE WITH THAT. AND STAFF IS TOO I DON'T THINK WE WOULD WE'RE NOT FIRM ON OUR 153 THAT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION ON THE MATH AND WHAT WE KNOW FOR THE PROGRAM AND WE'VE BEEN SPENDING AND WHAT WE WANT TO GET DONE. THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO TO TO WHATEVER RATE I SAID HERE'S OUR PRESENTATION HERE'S OUR RECOMMENDATION. COUNCIL CAN DECIDE I CAN GIVE SOME OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS BUT IT WOULD BE AN ARBITRARY NUMBER AT THIS POINT BECAUSE WE'VE DONE THE MATH THIS WAY. WE HAVE THE NUMBER OF PROJECTS WE DID THIS YEAR WAS IT 6. YES. I HEARD 6 OK. SO HERE'S THE THING THEY PRESENTED TO ME. AT THE 177 16 CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS. SO YOU WOULD LOSE NINE OF THOSE PROJECTS ACCORDING TO GO TO 140 LAST YEAR. IF YOU WENT TO 140 YOU WOULD LOSE NINE OF THOSE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT NINE MINUS SIXTEEN IS SEVEN BUT WE'VE STILL DONE LESS. AT AT WHAT THEY SAID EVEN AT THE 140 WE'VE DONE LESS THAN THAT. I JUST SAY THIS IS JUST NUMBERS OK. SO THE REVENUE THEY HAD WAS ELEVEN POINT EIGHT MILLION AND AND THE  REVENUE WE BROUGHT IN WAS TEN POINT SIX. RIGHT. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION REMEMBER WE BUNDLED OUR PROJECTS NOW. SO IN THE PAST YOU HAD THE LIST OF HUNDRED PIPES AND CULVERTS. [INAUDIBLE] IN UNITS. SO LIKE UNIT 31 HAS 80 PIPES. UNIT 32 HAS 79 PIPES. SO WE'RE COMBINING THEM ALL AND BUNDLING THEM SO YOU DON'T SEE THE INDIVIDUAL PIPES ANYMORE. THIS IS A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION FROM LIKE 6 8 MONTHS AGO. I UNDERSTAND YEAH. [INAUDIBLE] YOU WERE EVEN HERE. AND THEN THIS WASN'T EVEN DONE BY YOU SO. CORRECT. WAS DONE BY PEOPLE THAT AREN'T EVEN HERE SO IT DOESN'T REALLY I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE DOING BUT. SO ANYWAYS THE REVENUES FOR 2019 PROPOSED WAS ELEVEN POINT SEVEN. WE DROPPED IT TO TEN POINT SIX THAT'S 1 MILLION. SO IF WE DROPPED IT AGAIN WE WOULD BE AT NINE POINT SIX. I DON'T THINK YOU'RE STOPPING THE TRAIN AT A MILLION DOLLARS LESS BUT YOU'RE REALLY PROVING TO YOUR RESIDENTS THAT THIS WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE. OK SO WHAT'S THE NUMBER 13313 20 DOLLARS AND IT'S NOT AN ARBITRARY NUMBER I DON'T KNOW WHY. LIKE WHEN YOU DEAL REALISTICALLY WITH RESIDENTS AND STUFF YOU DON'T SAY FIVE POINT EIGHT THREE. [INAUDIBLE].  ALL RIGHT. SO ONE THIRTY. OK SO 13313. YOU WANT TO AMEND THAT BECAUSE I WANT TO. YOU  WANT TO STAY AT 153. I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND IT AT 148 13 [INAUDIBLE] THAT'S MY NUMBER. I'M OPEN TO THAT. 148 13. SO I MEAN IF YOU LIKE I CAN I CAN WITHDRAW MY MY ORIGINAL MOTION AND IF DEPUTY MAYOR ANDERSON WOULD LIKE TO TRY THAT 133 THAT WOULD BE FINE AND I'LL MAKE MY MOTION AT 148. THAT'S OK WITH YOU MAYOR YOU'RE THE PRESIDING OFFICER. I MEAN YOU'RE THE ONE THAT HAS THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR YOU COULD AMEND IF YOURS DOESN'T GO THEN YOURS DOESN'T GO. OK SO SO I WILL AMEND MY MOTION TO 148 13. OK I NEED A SECOND. SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. [INAUDIBLE] IF WE CAN JUST HAVE

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[INAUDIBLE]. SO IF IT FAILS THEN THEN IT GOES BACK YOU COULD MAKE YOUR MOTION OF 133 SO I'M GONNA I'M GOING TO CALL IT. MAYOR. YES. I DON'T WANNA BELABOR THE POINT I JUST WANT TO REMIND THE COUNCIL AS WELL WITH THE NEW WITH THE BOND AMOUNT  COMING TO THE TAX REVENUE THIS YEAR AND GIVEN THE MILLAGE RATE THAT WE WE'VE APPROVED FOR THE FIRST DRAW WHICH IS ABOUT THIRD OF IT IT'S ABOUT 80 [INAUDIBLE]  LITTLE OVER 80 DOLLARS PER HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS OF [INAUDIBLE] VALUE. SO JUST [INAUDIBLE] THAT'S JUST ANOTHER THING IS FLOATING OUT THERE. BUT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. OK. WITH THAT I'M GOING TO CALL IT ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSE SAY NAY. NAY. NAY. 3-2 SO IT MOVES FORWARD. PROCUREMENT. ITEM NUMBER 1 LISA. THIS ITEM WAS PULLED. I JUST 148 13. 148

[Procurements]

BILL BATTIN. BILL. SORRY GETTING BACK ON TRACK HERE UP HERE. [INAUDIBLE]. BILL BATTIN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SW.

TWO ITEMS I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS ON THIS ONE. ALL RIGHT IS THERE AFTER THE MOWING IS DONE IS THE INDIVIDUAL THAT DID NOT DO THEIR MAINTENANCE OF THEIR OWN YARD DO THEY HAVE TO PAY BACK TO THE CITY RIGHT. SO THAT'S THE FIRST THINGS WE'RE HAVING TO BRING IN THESE COMPANIES TO DO WHAT THEY'RE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO AS THE OWNER OF THE LAND. IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT MONEY BACK FROM THE RESIDENT THAT FAILED TO DO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE. AND THEN ITEM NUMBER 2 OF THAT ONE WAS I WAS VERY HAPPY TO SEE THAT BOTH COMPANIES THAT YOU PICKED BOTH FOR THE SMALL LOT AND THE LARGE LOT THE IMPROVED AND THE UNIMPROVED WERE BOTH PALM BAY COMPANIES THAT THAT TO ME SHOWS YOU'RE TRYING TO SUPPORT LOCAL RESIDENTS AND KEEP IT WITHIN THE CITY. THAT MADE ME FEEL GOOD. LIKE I SAY THE PERSON'S NOT DOING IT I KNOW I'M SURE YOU'RE HAVING CODE CODE ENFORCE ON HIM FIRST AND THEN WE'RE GOING AND PAYING BUT IF THEY'RE NOT PAYING I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DO. LISA. YES WE DO. WE CHARGE THE RESIDENT THE RATE OF THE CONTRACT THAT THE SERVICE AND THEN IF THEY DON'T PAY THERE'S A LIEN THERE'S AND IT GOES FOR THE LIEN THEY USUALLY GO UP AND THEY ESCALATE TO LARGE THEY COME BACK TO THE MAGISTRATE AND WE COME BACK TO THE MAGISTRATE WE TRY TO GET CODE COMPLIANCE NOT CODE ENFORCEMENT. SO WE REALIZE THAT WE JUST LOOKING FOR OUR REAL COSTS WHEN WE GET TO THE MAGISTRATE LEVEL. WE'RE HOPING THAT WE DON'T GET THAT FAR BUT WHEN WE DO THAT'S WHAT WE LOOK FOR IS TO GET OUR REAL COSTS OF THE ADMINISTRATION'S MAILINGS AND OTHER THINGS RETURNED TO THE CITY. WITH THAT I NEED A MOTION COUNCIL. MOTION TO APPROVE.  [INAUDIBLE]. I THOUGHT SOMEBODY ELSE WAS TALKING THERE.

MOTION TO AWARD A BID OF LOT MOWING ITB 51 0 2019 GROWTH MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT STS MAINTENANCE SERVICE $9,500 IMPROVED LOT MOWING AND FLAWLESS LAWNCARE PALM BAY 93,750 BY COUNCILMAN BAILEY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION COUNCIL? IF NOT I'M GOING TO CALL IT ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED SAY NAY. MOTION CARRIES. CONTRACTS. ITEM ONE WAS PULLED. MR. BILL BATTIN. BILL BATTIN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SW. WHEN I WAS READING THIS IT DIDN'T SAY ANYWHERE WHAT THE WHAT THE PROJECTS THAT WERE THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DESIGN. I COULDN'T SEE WHAT THE PROJECTS WERE. SO THAT LEADS ME TO THE QUESTION WAS ONE OF THESE DESIGN PROJECTS THE BABCOCK AND THE ST. JOHN'S HERITAGE INTERSECTION. IF IT IS THEN THAT INTERSECTION WAS SUPPOSED TO BE COVERED UNDER THE DEVELOPER NOT UNDER THE CITY.

IT'S HALF A MILLION DOLLARS. CONTRACTOR WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN PAYING FOR THAT INTERSECTION DESIGN. AND IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SEE THOSE PAPERWORK I HAVE THAT AVAILABLE IF YOU WANT TO SEE IT. BUT IN THE AGENDA PACKET IT DID NOT LIST WHICH PROJECTS THERE WERE. BUT WE'RE TRYING TO GET FROM WADE TRIM FOR THEIR DESIGN PACKAGE ON. TWO QUESTIONS. WAS THIS ST. JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY AND BABCOCK.

OR WAS IT SOMETHING ELSE. IF IT WAS ST. JOHN'S, I'M NOT PAYING OUT OF MY BUDGET WITHOUT A YELP. OK. THANK YOU BILL. THANK YOU MAYOR. THE PROJECTS RELATED ARE EXTENDING UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE INCLUDING PLANT DESIGN LIVE STATION DESIGN AND UTILITIES

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WE'VE HAD THEM FOR A LONG TIME. I THINK IT'S PRETTY PRUDENT EVERY SO OFTEN WE OPEN IT UP ALLOW OTHERS TO BID AS WELL SO I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT ON STAFF'S RADAR. WE AGREE. WITH THAT I'M GOING TO CALL IT. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED SAY NAY.

MOTION CARRIES OK. MISCELLANEOUS PULLED. BILL BATTIN. 586 OCEANSPRAY STREET SW. FOR THE PD&E FOR MALABAR ROAD. MY QUESTION WAS WHEN WE COME OFF TO ST.

JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY. IF YOU'RE GOING EAST THAT'S GREAT. IF YOU GO WEST TAKES YOU RIGHT TO THE HIGH SCHOOL AND ALL THE EXPANSIONS SO WE'RE GOING TO GO FROM 4 LANE TO RIGHT DOWN INTO A TWO LANE AND WE STILL HAVE ALL THE ACCESS TO THE SCHOOL.

THAT'S NOT EVEN BEING INCLUDED IN THIS IN THIS PD&E. AND ALONG WITH GOING TO THE SCHOOL AS SOON AS YOU GET PAST THE SCHOOL YOU IMMEDIATELY GO FROM TWO LANE ROAD TO A DIRT ROAD ALL THE WAY TO THE THREE FORKS PRESERVE. AND I MEAN A DIRT ROAD. I MEAN IT'S IT'S NOTHING. I DON'T MEAN OLD PALM BAY ROAD IT'S A DIRT ROAD TO THE END OF MALABAR. WHY DON'T YOU INCLUDE. WHICH IS ACTUALLY A HALF A MILE.

SEE IF YOU COULD HAVE INCLUDED THAT IN WITH YOUR PLANNING SO WE'RE PLANNING FOR EAST AND WEST OFF TO ST. JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY INSTEAD OF JUST EAST. RIGHT. AND I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS ONE MR. WANTANABE TOLD ME. BUT I'M TRYING TO MAKE PUT THE RESPONSIBILITY BACK ON MY CITY COUNCIL SO WE DON'T END UP ON SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENING LIKE ON GAYNOR WHERE YOU'RE PLANNING THE ROAD BUT YOU CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE YOU DON'T OWN THE RIGHT OF WAY. OK. SPEAK NOW OR FOREVER HOLD YOUR PEACE THANK YOU BILL. I'D INVITE MR. WANTANABE UP TO TALK ON THAT ISSUE MY KNOWLEDGE OF THIS ITEM IS THAT'S IT'S A NO COST EXPENSE TO THE CITY. IT'S ENGINEERING FOR FDOT PERMISSION TO NEGOTIATE BY STAFF AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK WITH A NUMBER THAT GOES WITH THAT FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION AS WELL. SO IT'S REALLY A PERMISSION TO NEGOTIATE. AND THAT IS CORRECT. AGAIN FRANK WATANABE THE CITY ENGINEER. AND TO ANSWER THE QUESTION REGARDING THE LIMITS THAT ARE ESTABLISHED WITH FDOT, FDOT LOOKS AT LOGICAL TERM SO IT WENT FROM [INAUDIBLE] OF COURSE IS  FOUR LANES REDUCES DOWN TO THE OTHER LOGICAL  WHICH ST. JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY. THAT'S WHAT THE PROJECT WAS SET FOR. A DISCUSSION THAT HAPPENS AT THE TPO. SO IF ANYTHING NEEDS TO HAPPEN THE REPRESENTATIVES THAT SIT ON THE TPO NEED TO MAKE THOSE SUGGESTIONS TO THE GOVERNING BODY THERE BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT GOING TO MAKE THE DECISION. THAT'S CORRECT. WORKING ON IT SIR. WITH THAT I NEED A MOTION. MOTION TO APPROVE ENGINEERING SERVICES AUTHORIZATION TO NEGOTIATE RFQ 2309 2019 PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.

SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN SANTIAGO. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION COUNCIL. IF NOT I'M GONNA CALL IT ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED SAY NAY. MOTION CARRIES. OK.

[Council Reports]

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THIRD FUND THE POLICE REQUEST FOR TWENTY THREE REPLACEMENT VEHICLES SIX HUNDRED EIGHTY SIX THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS. FOURTH, FUND THE FIRE REQUEST FOR DISPATCH UPGRADE OF EIGHTY THOUSAND NINE HUNDRED FIFTY DOLLARS. FIFTH FUND THE FIRE REQUEST FOR FIVE ADDITIONAL TELECOMMUNICATIORS TO COMPLETE STAFFING FOR THE FIRE DISPATCH AT A TOTAL OF 207,884 DOLLARS. AND THEN LASTLY TRANSFER THE REMAINING BALANCE TO THE ROAD MAINTENANCE FUND FOR ONGOING MAINTENANCE TOTALING FOUR HUNDRED FIFTEEN THOUSAND SEVEN HUNDRED AND SIXTY THREE. LASTLY PART OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE EVENT THE COUNCIL LIKES TO GO ABOVE THE MILLAGE RATE OF 3 PERCENT CAP, THE BOARD IS RECOMMENDING THAT ANY ADDITIONAL AD VELOREM DOLLARS GENERATED UP TO 2 MILLION DOLLARS ALSO BE TRANSFERRED INTO ROAD MAINTENANCE FUND FOR ANY ROAD MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS NOT PART OF THE SCHEDULED ROAD BOND PROJECT. LASTLY I'LL SAY I KNOW I CAN SPEAK FOR DAWN AND MYSELF. THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. IT WAS A GREAT EXPERIENCE AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SERVING IN THE FUTURE. MAKE SURE THAT AS MEMBERS OF THE BOARD YOU TELL YOUR BOARD THAT TO COME TO THE BUDGET HEARINGS BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE I KNOW YOU COME IN BEFORE COUNCIL NOW. BUT I THINK THAT TO THE WORKSHOP YOU SHOULD COME IN AND SPEAK TO US AGAIN. THAT'S A REMINDER YOU KNOW WE STILL GOT TO MAKE THE DECISION. THAT'S A REMINDER. OK. AND WHAT WAS YOUR POLICIES THAT YOU THOUGHT WAS YOUR PRIORITIES. NOT A PROBLEM LOOK FORWARD TO IT. OK. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE COMMITTEE. I HAVE A COMMENT. MAYOR AND I JUST WANT TO AGAIN JUST COMMEND MADAM CHAIR DAWN BITTAR AND VICE CHAIR. I'M SORRY. AARON PARR. IF YOU HAVE ONE OF THOSE LONG LAST NAMES I WOULD DEFINITELY REMEMBER. THAT'S THE WAY MY BRAIN WORKS OVER HERE. I JUST WANT TO COMMEND BOTH OF YOU AND REALLY ALL THE BOARD BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHEN I CREATED THE CITIZEN BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I ENVISION THAT THERE WOULD BE A BOARD OF CITIZENS THAT LIVE HERE IN PALM BAY THAT WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT THE BUDGET THAT WOULD GIVE YOU KNOW YOUR OWN OPINIONS ABOUT THE BUDGET AND OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE ALL NOT GOING TO AGREE.

YOU KNOW AND AND SEE EYE TO EYE BUT BUT ULTIMATELY YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE A RECOMMENDATION AND YOU KNOW THERE WAS ALWAYS A CONCERN THAT YOU KNOW THIS BOARD MIGHT BE A RUBBER STAMP AND IT'S NOT YOU KNOW IT'S IT'S INDIVIDUALS ON THE BOARD CITIZENS WHO ARE LOOKING AT THIS VERY CAREFULLY ARGUE MAKING YOUR ARGUMENTS AND DEBATING AND THEN SAYING OK HERE'S WHAT WE HAVE WHERE WE'RE AT. SO I JUST WANT TO COMMEND ALL OF YOU. AND YOU KNOW WHETHER WHETHER COUNCIL TAKE THIS RECOMMENDATION OR NOT OR ALL OF IT OR MOST OF IT I JUST WANT TO SAY GREAT JOB. YEAH OK.

I BELIEVE SHE WANTS TO SPEAK FOR HERSELF. I'D LIKE TO THANK EVERYBODY WHO HAS WORKED ON THE BOARD AS A WHOLE WE'VE ALL COME TOGETHER WE'VE DISCUSSED AND SHE SAID YOU KNOW WE ALL HAVE NOT COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON ALL THINGS BUT AT THE END I THINK WE ALL CAME TO A COMPROMISE WHICH I THINK IS IMPORTANT TO BRING TO THE WELL I THINK EVERYBODY SHOULD CONSIDER WHAT'S GOING ON IN OUR CITY. GOT A LOT OF GOOD THINGS. LET'S NOT ASSUME ANYTHING FOR THE FUTURE EITHER. WE HAVE A CHARTER RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE SAFETY AND INFRASTRUCTURE TO OUR CITIZENS. AND I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE THAT VERY SERIOUSLY AS THAT IS OUR CHARTER RESPONSIBILITY. NOW WE ARE NOT GOING TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY WITH EVERYTHING WE DO AS MAYOR CAPOTE POINTED OUT BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY IF WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING FOR OUR PEEPS OUR CITIZENS HERE IN PALM BAY WHO'S GOING TO REALLY BE ANGRY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU. MAYOR. I'M JUST CURIOUS AND I DON'T KNOW PERHAPS STAFF CAN ANSWER ME IF YOU GUYS WANT TO SPEAK ON IT. I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT NUMBER FIVE THE ADDITIONAL TELE COMMUNICATORS CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT AND THEN I KNOW THAT PROBABLY

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UNFORTUNATELY I HAVE TO SAY THAT MOST OF THOSE PICTURES WERE IN PALM BAY. AND YOU KNOW I GUESS IT'S KIND OF TO BE EXPECTED BECAUSE WE ARE THE LARGEST CITY IN BREVARD COUNTY WE HAVE THE MOST ROADS AND WHICH REMINDS ME I DO WANT TO PULL UP SEAN IF YOU CAN PULL UP GOOGLE MAPS AND DURING MY COUNCIL BUSINESS I'LL I'LL GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS THIS AND JUST FIND OLDEN AVENUE AND ORLOV ROAD OLDEN AVENUE O-L-D-E-N. SO I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS THAT DURING MY COUNCIL BUSINESS. BUT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOME SOME CRASHES AND FATALITIES THAT HAVE BEEN HAPPENING THERE DURING MY COUNCIL BUSINESS. BUT BUT YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. YOU KNOW WHETHER OR NOT ZERO IS ACHIEVABLE DOESN'T MATTER. I THINK WE SHOULD ALL SHOOT FOR ZERO AND THAT SHOULD BE THE ULTIMATE GOAL. SO WE'LL SEE WHAT COMES BACK FROM THE CONSULTANTS AND WE'LL WE'LL WE'LL GO AHEAD AND YOU KNOW HOPEFULLY EDUCATE OLD MUNICIPALITIES IN THE COUNTY ON ACHIEVING THAT GOAL. NEXT WOULD BE. I JUST WANT TO ADD TOO I BELIEVE THAT THE PROJECT 0 THAT THEY MENTIONED 5 PERCENT PER YEAR WHICH I THINK THAT'S ATTAINABLE GOAL IS ONE OF THINGS I THINK ONE OF THE MEMBERS ASKED AND I THINK THEY SAID THAT WAS SOMETHING WAS ACCOMPLISHED IN OTHER AREAS AND BECAUSE FOR ME I'M ALWAYS KIND OF RESISTANT TO GOING SO FAR AS SAYING ZERO WHENEVER WE DON'T NECESSARILY WE'RE NEVER GONNA GET TO ZERO I DON'T BELIEVE THAT. BUT THE IDEA IS TO BELIEVE THAT WE CAN DO BETTER AND WORK TOWARDS THAT GOAL I THINK THAT'S CERTAINLY THE DIRECTION WE NEED TO MOVE. THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT IS THAT ON TO THE LIST OFF STATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM AND ON THE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM MANAGEMENT AND

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SO NEXT WOULD BE SPACE COAST LEAGUE OF CITIES. THANK YOU MAYOR. SO THE MAIN DISCUSSION WAS JUST UPCOMING TOMORROW LEGISLATIVE POLICY COMMITTEE MEETINGS WHICH I'M DEPUTY MAYOR AND MAYOR WILL BE ATTENDING TOMORROW MORNING. I KIND OF WENT ON A TANGENT WITH THE MEETING WITH US CONVERSING ON WHO ARE WE REPRESENTING IF WE'RE REPRESENTING THE CITY OR IF WE'RE REPRESENTING THE SPACE COAST LEAGUE OF CITIES AND HOW SPACE COAST THE LEAGUE OF CITIES MAY BE ADVOCATING FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOUR CITY IS ADVOCATING FOR. BUT IF YOU'RE GOING UP THERE AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE SPACE COAST LEAGUE OF CITIES YOU'RE REPRESENTING THEM YOU'RE GOING UP AS A REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE CITY OF PALM BAY, CITY OF MELBOURNE THEN YOU REPRESENT THEM AND THAT'S. SO I WENT ON A TANGENT THERE'S SOME DISCUSSION BUT IT WAS ALL MOSTLY JUST PREPARING FOR THE POLICY COMMITTEE MEETING TOMORROW. THAT'S IT. NEXT TDC. YEAH. SO LET ME LET ME JUST BRING SOMETHING UP HERE THAT I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT. YOU KNOW OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE THE  CAMPGROUND PROJECT THAT WE GOT UNDERWAY AND WE GOT A 1.7 MILLION DOLLAR GRANT FROM THE TDC OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE OF SOME BUDGET CONSTRAINTS AND BECAUSE YOU KNOW WE GOT PETER CRANE AS WE JUST CAME IN STARTING THE BUDGET AND WE'RE WE'RE ABOUT TO ENTER INTO OUR NEXT BUDGET CYCLE HERE AT THE TDC OVER THERE AT THE TDC. THE IDEA WAS TO GET FOUR HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS THIS YEAR AND THEN THE REST FOR THE NEXT YEAR. I GUESS AND LISA'S NOT HERE. I WISH SHE WAS BUT THAT'S OK.

WELL WHAT WE'RE GOING TO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS A ONE YEAR EXTENSION IN ORDER TO EXTEND THAT OUT BECAUSE BECAUSE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE IN TWO YEARS BUT WE JUST WANT TO EXTEND IT JUST OUT FOR ONE YEAR. I DID SPEAK TO PETER. YOU KNOW HE DOESN'T THINK THAT THAT THERE WOULD BE A PROBLEM WITH THAT BUT A LETTER DOES HAVE TO BE DRAFTED BY US IN ORDER TO GO AHEAD MOVE WITH THAT. I THINK THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT. YOU KNOW I BELIEVE THE MAJORITY OF COUNCIL DID SUPPORT THIS AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT AT THE FACILITIES COMMITTEE RIGHT NOW THERE ARE TWO MAJOR PROJECTS TWO OTHER MAJOR PROJECTS OTHER THAN OURS THAT WILL BE UNDER WAY. ONE IS A SEVEN MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT UP IN TITUSVILLE AND A TWO MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT IN COCOA BEACH AND I BELIEVE SO YOU KNOW IF IF THIS 1.7 MILLION DOES GET TURNED BACK INTO THE FACILITY GENERAL FUND WE CAN POSSIBLY LOSE THAT FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO. I MEAN WE YOU KNOW WE WENT TO THE GROUNDBREAKING. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE SUPPORTED. AND SO THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO IS LOSE THAT MONEY BECAUSE IF IT DOES GET TURNED BACK INTO THE FUND WE CAN YOU KNOW THERE'S NO TELLING.

WE'RE ASKING FOR AN EXTENSION. BUT MAYOR AND COUNCIL. AND LISA YOU'VE GOT ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT? JUST THAT IMPACT FEES ARE LOOKING VERY GOOD RIGHT NOW. AND SO IF WE HAVE A MOMENT TO THIS IS A REIMBURSABLE GRANT FOR 1.7 SO IF WE HAVE IMPACT FEES ANOTHER YEAR OF COLLECTION WE'LL PROBABLY ABLE TO MATCH THAT AND ACTUALLY DO MORE WITH THE PARK AND ACTUALLY OPEN IT TO THAT LEVEL DEGREE THAT WE WANT TO. DOES COUNCIL HAVE AN ISSUE. WELL I DID HAVE A QUESTION WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSIONS OF ANY ALTERNATE USES OF THE MONEY. IT WAS THAT SOMETHING OR IF WE OR WOULD WE HAVE TO COMPLETELY GO BACK TO THE TABLE. I WOULD IMAGINE WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE TABLE I WILL LET LISA. DISCUSSION IT WOULD BE IT WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT WE COULD GO BACK FOR THAT. IT WOULD STILL HAVE TO BE SOMETHING IT IS MORE OF A DESTINATION. THIS PROJECT DOES IT DOES CREATE A TAXABLE REVENUE TO THE TDC AS WELL TO ACTUALLY REFUND THEM. SO I THINK IF WE GO BACK, WE HAD SOME OTHER IDEAS. NONE OF THOSE WERE GOING TO CREATE A HEADS IN BED TAX THAT THE TDC KIND OF THRIVES OFF OF THIS ACTUALLY IS A REIMBURSEMENT GRANT AND THAT IT CREATES REVENUE FOR THE CITY AND FOR TDC AND I THINK THAT'S WHY THEY LIKE THE PROJECT SO MUCH. GOTCHA. MY ONLY COMMENT IS MAYOR THAT I THINK THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD I DON'T WANNA MOVE FORWARD JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE MONEY SITTING THERE IT'S STILL TAX TAXPAYER MONEY IT MIGHT BE TDC MONEY IN THAT CITY OF PALM BAY GENERAL FUND.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DEFINITELY HAVE A SUSTAINABLE REVENUE GENERATING PROJECT WHEN WE'RE DONE. THE BUDGET NUMBERS THAT WERE PROMISED TO US WHEN WE TOOK THESE OVER AND WHENEVER WE WE AGREED TO THIS HAVE NOT BEEN HIT FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN SO FAR. AND SO THAT'S MY ONLY I'M LEERY OF IT. I DO KNOW THAT I HAD SOME

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BUT I DO APPRECIATE THE EFFORT SO MR. SAMBERG I APPRECIATE THE EFFORTS FROM HIM AND MANY OTHERS WHO HAVE REACHED OUT AND I JUST I FEEL THAT WE EITHER US AS A COUNCIL OR STAFF NEED TO BRAINSTORM WHETHER IT'S THROUGH ORDINANCE OR GUIDANCE FROM OUR CITY MANAGER TO CODE COMPLIANCE OR WHAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE SURE OUR CITY IS MORE OUR CITY IS BETTER MAINTAINED BECAUSE WE'VE I'VE PERSONALLY HAD NEW RESIDENTS COME HERE AND SAY LIKE IF THEY WOULD HAVE SEEN SOME OF THESE AREAS PRIOR TO THEY WOULD HAVE MOVED TO PALM BAY AND I FEEL LIKE YOU KNOW HOAS SHOULDN'T BE THE ONLY ONES PROPERLY MAINTAINED WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN ALL OF OUR STREETS AND OUR WHOLE CITY AS A WHOLE SO IF WE CAN BRAINSTORM DIFFERENT IDEAS I DON'T KNOW IT'LL BE THROUGH AN ORDINANCE OR SOMETHING OF THE SENSE I'M OPEN TO ANYTHING. I JUST WANTED TO CREATE THE DIALOGUE FIRST. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH YOU LOOKING INTO THAT. AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM EITHER. I CAN ONLY IMAGINE THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A WASTE MANAGEMENT. I WAS THINKING THAT AS WELL. ISSUE WHICH WHICH WILL BE COMING UP VERY SOON AND HOPEFULLY TO A CLOSURE NEXT YEAR. BUT I WOULDN'T I WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. YEAH. SO THE MAIN THING IS JUST BRINGING IT TO THE FOREFRONT. SO LET'S I GUESS WE'LL ALSO BRAINSTORM WITH STAFF. WELL WE CAN STILL SEE LIKE WHERE THIS GOES WITH THE CONTRACT FROM THERE. JUST TO FILL THE MAYOR IN WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS ERIC SANDBURG IN WASTE MANAGEMENT.  AND IF I CAN COMMENT I JUST I REALLY DON'T THINK THAT CODE COMPLIANCE WHICH WOULD BE ONLY YOU CAN ONLY ACT UPON THE PROPERTY AND THE PROPERTY OWNER. I THINK THAT WE JUST NEED TO HAVE STRONG RESILIENCE AND GIVE LISA AND HER STAFF THE ABILITY TO GET THE MOST OUT THE CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE NOW AND KEEP IN MIND THAT I WAS DRIVING AROUND THE DAY JUST DOING CHECKS ON DIDN'T KNOW THIS TYPE OF THING AND SECTIONS OF THE CITY THAT I DON'T GET TO WE HAVE WE HAVE A VERY LARGE CITY. SO EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE I LIKE TO DO DRIVE THROUGH AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON. BUT NO I SAW AREAS WHERE THERE'S JUST PALLETS LAYING AROUND WE OBVIOUSLY HAD OVER 30 PICTURES FROM ONE REASON WHO SENT JUST ONE WHERE TWO OF HIS PROPERTIES ARE WHAT HE'S SEEING ON HIS DAY TO DAY BASIS WHERE THERE'S PILES HAVE BEEN SITTING THERE FOR WEEKS AND WEEKS AND WEEKS AND SOME OF THEM WERE NOTED AND PICKED UP BY WASTE MANAGEMENT SOME OF THEM WE HAD RESPONSES FOR WHY THEY'RE NOT BEING PICKED UP WHAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE IS THAT THE NEXT CONTRACTORS KNOW DISPUTE OVER IF IT'S GOING TO BE PICKED UP OR NOT EVERYTHING SHOULD BE PICKED UP [INAUDIBLE] TREATED WOOD THOSE TYPE OF THINGS ARE GETTING PICKED UP IN OTHER CITIES THEY SHOULD GET PICKED UP HERE IN PALM BAY TOO THAT WOULD BE TO ME THE ULTIMATE SOLUTION AND I'M GLAD TO SEE THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE TAKING PROACTIVE KNOW TRYING TO ADDRESS AS WELL I MEAN TODAY I WAS TALKING TO ME I'VE BEEN TALKING TO LISA PROBABLY TOO MUCH ABOUT SOME ISSUES THIS IS ONE OF THEM. BUT MR. GARY OUR OUR NEW WORKS DIRECTOR TALKED TO HIM I KNOW HE WAS FAMILIAR WITH WEATHER TODAY AS WELL MEETING WASTE MANAGEMENT AND KIND OF FILLING HIM IN BECAUSE I SAID THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN LONG DEALING WITH. I MEAN CERTAINLY I KNOW MYSELF FIVE YEARS ON THE COUNCIL THE MAYOR HAS BEEN

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THIS IS A QUESTION FOR. IT LOOKS LIKE MISS MORRELL WANTS TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT IT SO I'LL LET HER HER ADDRESS TOO. I WAS WILLING TO TALK BUT ON BOTH ITEMS. CERTAINLY THE MOVE OUT PILES IS KIND OF A LOT TO DO WITH YOUR NOT TO DO WITH YOUR WASTE MANAGEMENT YOUR 3.3 CUBIC FEET OF MOVE OUT SO THAT'S ONE THING. SO THERE IS A PART OF THAT OF THAT IS THE CONTRACT THE OTHER PART OF THAT IS MOVE UP PILES AND PROPERTY MAINTENANCE AND RENTAL TRANSIENT POPULATION AND MIXED PILES BEING PUT UP AND THEN IT LOOKS LIKE A HOARDER WENT THROUGH AND PICK THROUGH AND THEN YOU'RE LEFT WITH THE LARGER DEBRIS FIELD IN FRONT OF THE HOME AS WELL. TWO ACCOUNTS ON THE TRANSFER STATION WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT WE'VE WE WE DO HAVE LAND, THE ISSUE WILL BE ZONING AND NOT NECESSARILY THE COUNCIL OR THE CITY MANAGER OR THE STAFF OR THE CONTRACTOR WILL BE THE RESIDENTS THAT RESIDE AROUND THAT AREA AT THE TRANSFER STATION. SO THAT WILL BE THE BIGGEST HURDLE I THINK FROM WHERE YOU PUT IT WHERE WE HAVE IT AND THE POTENTIAL GROWTH IN THAT AREA. WHAT YOU DO TO THAT. WE DO ONLY 46 PERCENT BUILD OUT. SO 42 PERCENT  BUILT OUT. SO YOU GOT A LOT OF VACANCIES AND VACANT LAND. BUT THEN WHAT WHAT DOES THAT DO TO THAT AREA AT THAT TIME BUT THAT IT'S NOT OUT OF THE QUESTION IT'S ON IT'S IT'S IN THE DISCUSSION AND IF IT'S READY TO GO WITH THE CONTRACT THE CONTRACTOR MAY OR MAY NOT WANT IT. THAT'S THE OTHER OPTION.

SO THEN WE'RE KIND OF ONCE A HEDGING YOUR BETS BUT YOU'RE KIND OF HEDGING YOUR BETS IF YOU HAVE IT READY THERE. HOWEVER IF THERE'S A TIME FOR THE TRANSITIONAL CONTRACT IN THERE THAT IS THAT IS A WANT OR NEED THERE SHOULD BE TIME FOR THAT TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN WE CAN HAVE THOSE INITIAL COURT TALKS WITH THE COUNTY WE CAN KIND OF SET THAT UP. WE DON'T REALLY HAVE TO PUT THAT IN WRITING AND HAVE IT ALL READY TO GO FOR THE CONTRACT RENEWAL 930 BUT COUNCIL WE WILL TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR DIRECTION. JUST LIKE I SAID I JUST WANT TO SEE WHETHER WE WILL. IT'S AN OPTION I THINK IS A VALID THING TO CONSIDER. I THINK IT'D BE A GOOD IDEA FOR ALL OF US TO GET TO SEE WHERE THESE POSSIBLE AREAS ARE SO WE CAN EVALUATE THEM PERHAPS ENDS UP BEING THAT NOBODY WANTS IT BUT I THINK WE HAVE SOME VACANT LAND AND THERE ARE SOME OTHER PROPERTIES THAT I'D HEARD IN INFORMAL CONVERSATIONS MIGHT BE USEFUL SO I DON'T KNOW HOW COUNCIL WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT BUT MY THING IS I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING AT LEAST PROPOSAL BROUGHT FORTH BY STAFF FOR US AT LEAST CONSIDER. I THINK YOU COULD GO AND DO THE RESEARCH. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH RESEARCHING. I THINK THAT IT'S KIND OF OPEN NOW FOR EVERYONE TO LOOK AT IT AND SEE IF THAT'S WHAT THEY WISH TO DO WITH THE CITY. THAT'S NOT EVEN HERE OR THERE. BUT I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. DOES COUNCIL

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STAFF WILL WORK ON THE GIS MAP OF CITY OWNED PARCELS IN THE BOUNDARIES AND THAT'S YOUR PURVIEW AND IF THERE'S ANY PREFERRED LOCATIONS TO LOOK AT AS WELL AS WHAT STAFF RECOMMENDS. WE'LL WORK THROUGH THAT. THANK YOU.

ANYTHING ELSE. COUNCILMAN BAILEY. YES MAYOR. THE NEXT ITEM AS YOU GUYS KNOW WE APPROVED SEVERAL VARIANCES TONIGHT. WE'VE HAD OTHER VARIANCES NOW IN THE PAST. I CAN'T RECALL THE LAST TIME WE DIDN'T APPROVE A VARIANCE. AND THERE ARE SOME OTHER THINGS IN THE CODE THAT YOU KNOW I'VE ALWAYS ADVOCATED FOR TO HAVE A SIMPLE CLEAR CODE AND THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE A PURPOSE FOR EVERYTHING THAT WE DO. AND WHENEVER I SEE A LOT OF VARIANCES COMING FORWARD AND REGULARLY ROUTINELY APPROVED I WONDER IS IT IS IT OVERLY RESTRICTIVE. I KNOW THAT WE WENT BACK AND WE COUNCIL, MIGHT HAVE BEEN BEFORE MR. ANDERSON'S TIME BUT THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WE DID CREATE A RULE FOR SOME ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS OF VARIANCES UP TO A FOOT. AND BUT WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS AND IT'S AN AREA I'M KIND OF DOING I'M GONNA BRING IT BACK. I WOULD LIKE I WANT TO DO THOUGH IS GET UP FRONT SUPPORT OR IDEA OF HOW COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD TO KIND OF MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS ON BOARD LOOKING AT THAT CODE AT THE BUILDING CODE. MY THOUGHTS ARE I'D LIKE TO HAVE A CHANCE TO SIT DOWN WITH PERHAPS SOME RESIDENTS THAT HAVE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS BUILDERS SOME CONTRACTORS PERHAPS SOME REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONALS AS WELL AND KIND OF GO THROUGH IT SEE WHAT MAKE WOULD MAKE THINGS EASIER FOR THEM AS WELL STAFF. WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT THEY FEEL WOULD BE GOOD IMPROVEMENTS TO THE CODE AND BRING BACK RECOMMENDATIONS. NOW I KNOW THAT WHEN WE DID THIS ON THE PARKING CODE WAS A YEAR OR TWO YEARS AGO NOW WITH COUNCILMAN SANTIAGO IT WAS KIND OF AN INFORMAL PROCESS THAT STAFF IS ABLE TO KIND OF MEET WITH THESE PEOPLE INFORMALLY RATHER THAN HAVING AN ACTUAL AD HOC. OF COURSE THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER OPTION HAVE AD HOC WE COULD ALL POINT PEOPLE FROM THESE WHEREVER WE THINK IS APPROPRIATE AND HAVE THEM GO THROUGH IT SO THAT WE CAN GET CONSENSUS. I CERTAINLY HAVE A LOT OF CHANGES I'D LIKE TO SEE IN IT BUT I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THE COUNCIL HAS SOME SOME SUPPORT AS FAR AS MAKING THE CODES A LITTLE BIT EASIER FOR FOLKS TO DEAL WITH BOTH OUR RESIDENTS AS WELL AS YOU KNOW WE'RE A BOOMING CITY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE IT WRITTEN WELL FOR ALL THE OTHER PARTIES WHO HAVE TO DO THEIR BUSINESS WITH IT. SO I DON'T KNOW IF COUNCIL WILL HAVE A SUGGESTION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER I'VE ALREADY HAD SOME DISCUSSION STAFF AND STAFF'S BEEN PROACTIVE ON SOME OF THE ITEMS ALREADY AS WELL. BUT I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO FORMALIZE IT AND KIND OF BRING IT FORTH THE COUNCIL. WOULD YOU GUYS BE OK WITH HAVING YOU KNOW ME HAVING INFORMAL TALKS WITH THEM OR WOULD YOU GUYS BE MORE INCLINED WHICH IS KIND OF WHAT WE DID WITH THE PARKING ORDINANCE OR WOULD YOU GUYS BE MORE INCLINED TO PERHAPS DO AN ADD. I MEAN AT THE END OF THE DAY I THINK I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. IF THIS IS GOING TO LEAN THINGS OUT I THINK THAT CERTAIN THINGS THAT CODES THAT WE HAVE TO [INAUDIBLE]. SO I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE. I WOULD. OH I'M SORRY. OH YEAH YEAH. I JUST I JUST WANTED TO. YEAH. I MEAN I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA IF WE CAN STREAMLINE AND MAKE THIS PROCESS EVEN MORE EFFICIENT. ABSOLUTELY. I THINK ME PERSONALLY I KIND OF LIKE WHAT I DID WITH THE PARKING ORDINANCE WHERE YOU KNOW YOU KIND OF HAD THIS THIS AD HOC COMMITTEE OF STAKEHOLDERS AND BRINGING THOSE IDEAS OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW DIRECTED BY YOU COUNCILMAN BAILEY AND STAFF AND HAVING THEM COME BACK WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT DEFINITELY SOMETHING MORE INFORMAL.

AND THEN WE COULD ALWAYS IF YOU GUYS DON'T LIKE WHAT WE BRING BACK. WE CAN ALWAYS MOVE TO THE NEXT PROCESS. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD START INFORMAL AND THEN AD HOC AND IF YOU I GET A TON OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE BUILDING CODE AS FAR AS LIKE I BOUGHT A [INAUDIBLE] AT SAMS AND I DIDN'T KNOW I WAS GOING TO HAVE TO PAY ANOTHER HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR PALM BAY TO GET IT AND THEN IT FAILED BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE FOOTERS BECAUSE SAM'S CLUB DIDN'T TELL ME. AND THERE'S JUST LITTLE INCIDENTS LIKE THAT THAT JUST FRUSTRATE THE HECK OUT OF RESIDENTS.

EASIER PLACE TO DO BUSINESS. WE'LL ALL BE WINNERS IN THAT WAY. IS THAT IT COUNCILMAN BAILEY? THAT'LL GIVE ME SOMETHING TO DO. THANK YOU. MAY I ASK FOR SOME CLARIFICATION ON THAT ITEM BECAUSE I HEARD TWO THINGS VARIANCES ARE PLANNING AND ZONING AND THEN BUILDING PERMITS. SO CAN I GET.

RIGHT.

I WAS GOING TO PROVIDE A RECORD OF THOSE ONE OFFS FIRST THAT ALL COUNCIL COULD LOOK AT IT SO THEY COULD DECIDE WHAT THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO YOU TO LOOK AT HOW MANY VARIANCES VERSUS HOW MANY MAYBE PLASTIC SHEDS. WOULD THAT HELP BE HELPFUL

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BUT HERE THEY CAN EITHER GO LEFT OR RIGHT. AND IT SEEMS LIKE BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF EMERSON DRIVE WHICH IS A VERY LONG STRETCH, YOU GOT CARS THAT ARE JUST GOING DOWN AND THEY'LL EAT THE RED LIGHT AND THEN THEY'LL JUST SMACK RIGHT INTO A CAR THAT'S COMING OUT OF THOSE AREAS. I WOULD LIKE I WOULD LIKE IF POSSIBLE FOR OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND TAKE A LOOK AT OTHER SIMILAR AREAS LIKE THAT BECAUSE WHAT I NOTICED DRIVING UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD IS THAT THERE ARE NO SIGNS THAT'S KIND OF INDICATING TO PEOPLE HEY YOU'RE ABOUT TO COME UP ON ON A ON A RED LIGHT. THERE'S NOTHING LIKE THAT. SO YOU'RE GOING FOR ABOUT A GOOD MAYBE TWO THREE MILES WITHOUT ANY LIGHT AND YOU'RE JUST YOU'RE JUST YOU KNOW SPEEDING DOWN YOU DON'T EVEN REALIZE THERE'S A LIGHT RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF EMERSON DRIVE. AND I THINK I THINK THAT'S THE PROBLEM. SO I'VE NOTICED THAT. AND THAT'S THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENED. SO WE'VE WE'VE GOTTEN A FEW CRASHES OUT THERE BECAUSE OF THAT. SO SOME T-BONES AS A RESULT OF THAT. SO I'M PRETTY SURE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS AWARE OF THIS BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE ALL OF US AWARE OF IT BECAUSE ESPECIALLY WE TALK ABOUT VISION ZERO. I THINK THINGS LIKE THAT. I'VE NOTICED THAT THERE ARE OTHER PLACES LIKE THAT OTHER SCENARIOS LIKE THAT IN OUR CITY THAT WILL HELP TO REDUCE IT. WE CAN FOCUS ON THAT AND TRY TO ALLEVIATE THAT SITUATION. AND MAYOR FROM A COUNCILMAN SANTIAGO I PRESUME THAT YOU'RE TRAVELING THAT DURING THESE HOURS CORRECT IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH IT. OH YEAH. I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT. I KNOW THAT DOWN ON A DIFFERENT PART CLOSE TO WHERE I LIVE MY NECK OF THE WOODS WHERE WE HAVE A COUPLE OF CHURCHES AT THE END OF AMERICANA. THAT THERE'S USUALLY OFFICERS SITTING OUT THERE AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S CONTRACTUAL OR WHY THEY'RE SITTING THERE IF THE CHURCH IS PAYING FOR IT. I THINK THAT MIGHT BE BUT ANYHOW IS THERE AN OFFICER SITTING HERE OR PERHAPS THERE IS NOT

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I DON'T BELIEVE THE OFFICER IS THERE. THE LAST CRASH THERE WAS AN OFFICER THERE. I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN I DON'T BELIEVE IT BECAUSE THE CHURCH HAS ASKED FOR THAT I THINK THAT BECAUSE THEY WERE PROBABLY ASSIGNED TO THAT AREA. YEAH. AND BUT BUT NO NORMALLY IT'S NOT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. I JUST I WAS JUST CURIOUS.

YEAH I SUPPORT YOU I THINK THAT A TRAFFIC CALMING OR SOME TYPE OF ALERT WOULD PROBABLY BENEFICIAL AND HOPEFULLY MAYBE THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS WOULD LOOK AT IT. IT'S NOT JUST ONE TIME IT'S NOT JUST ON SUNDAY BECAUSE THEY HAD MULTIPLE EVENTS HERE. OK.

THESE CHURCHES. I MEAN YOU KNOW IT'S BECOME ABOUT A BIG SAFETY ISSUE. I PERSONALLY I GO TO THE CHURCH THE ONE UP ON THE NORTH SIDE. SO I THE LAST ONE I WAS ABLE TO ACTUALLY EXPERIENCE THAT HAPPENING AND THANK GOD NOTHING HAPPENED TO EITHER ONE OF THEM. ONE OF THE PARTIES BUT IT'S JUST BEEN AN ONGOING THING I THINK IT HAS HAPPENED SO FAR THREE MAYBE FOUR TIMES THIS YEAR. SO IT'S IT'S IT'S PRETTY BAD THERE. SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING EVERYONE TO THAT. THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION AND IF THERE ARE OTHER SCENARIOS LIKE THIS IN THE CITY WE REALLY NEED TO TAKE A SERIOUS LOOK AT THIS BECAUSE IT JUST MAY BE AS SIMPLE JUST PUTTING A SIGN THERE SAYING RED LIGHT AHEAD YOU KNOW OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO JUST LET LET LET STAFF LOOK AT IT AND SEE IT AND COME BACK WITH AN ANSWER. WE'LL PULL IT WE'LL PULL IN THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER AND WE'LL PULL TRAFFIC DATA FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR CRASHES AND CITATIONS AND THEN WE CAN SEE WHAT CAN DO IN THAT AREA. NUMBER ONE AND WHILE WE'RE LOOKING AT IT WE CAN LOOK AT ENFORCEMENT I'M SURE THE CHIEF WOULD JUST LOVE TO KNOW WHERE THERE'S ACTION ESPECIALLY HIS FORCE. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THAT'S ALL YOU HAVE. OK. DEPUTY MAYOR. SO AS WITH ANY RELIGION THERE THERE ARE STEPS THE FIRST STEP TO CHRISTIANITY IS TO BE SAVED. YOU HAVE TO TAKE JESUS AS YOUR LORD AND SAVIOR. THE SECOND STEP IS TO BE BAPTIZED. AND PROPERLY PROFESS THAT JESUS DIED ON THE CROSS FOR YOU AND GOT SAVED. SO MY WIFE AND I DID THAT SATURDAY. SO THERE WAS NO BETTER PLACE TO PUBLICLY CONFESS THAT THAN HERE. SO YOU KNOW I APPRECIATE MY WIFE DOING THAT AND EVERYBODY YOU KNOW BAPTISM DOESN'T SAVE YOU, YOU'RE SAVED ALREADY BUT IT FREES [INAUDIBLE] AND JUST I LOVE JESUS AND THAT'S THAT. KBB KAYAK CLEAN UP HUGE SUCCESS I THINK AROUND TWO HUNDRED PEOPLE I THINK IT WAS ONE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY BUT I'M GOING TO SAY TWO HUNDRED. I LIKE THE ROUNDUP. AWESOME EVENT MY DAUGHTER AND I WENT OUT THERE AFTER THE BAPTISM ABOUT TEN THIRTY, ELEVEN O'CLOCK AND THERE WAS NO TRASH SHE WAS SO DISAPPOINTED. AND I JUST WANTED TO CALL OUT MY DAUGHTER SHE DIDN'T HELP ME PADDLE THE KAYAK AT ALL. SHE STUCK THE PADDLE IN AND SLOWED US DOWN SO AND THAT'S A WORKOUT KAYAK IF YOU'VE NEVER BEEN OUT THERE BUT THE PELICANS SAFE THEY HAD A WHOLE TRUCKLOAD OF TRASH. THEY FOUND A JOHN BOAT OUT THERE. TWENTY FOUR TONS LAST TIME. I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER YET BUT I'M TELLING YOU. THE PELICANS SAFE AND THE RESIDENTS CARE ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY SO FANTASTIC EVENT. AND WHAT A WAY TO DO A CLEANUP OUT OF A KAYAK. AWESOME OVER THERE BY TURKEY CREEK AND THEN COMING UP THIS SATURDAY IF YOU NEED HELP WITH BACK TO SCHOOL SUPPLIES IF YOU HAVE LITTLE KIDS AND YOU'RE LOOKING FOR HAIRCUTS DENTAL EXAMS BACK CHECKS. GREAT LUNCH. I MEAN ALL SORTS OF STUFF THEY JUST GO ALL OUT AT CENTER POINT CHURCH TO 11:00 THIS SATURDAY IS ABSOLUTELY FABULOUS EVENT A LINEUP ALL DOWN THE STREET I THINK MOST OF US WILL BE THERE IF NOT ALL OF US. SO THAT WAS IT SIR. YOU TOOK THAT ONE CENTREPOINT. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY CENTERPOINT THIS SATURDAY. NO IT'S OK. YOU BROUGHT IT UP CENTERPOINT CHURCH SO BACKPACK DAY FOR THOSE PARENTS THAT YOU KNOW NEED ASSISTANCE FOR SCHOOL SUPPLY AND THINGS LIKE THAT GO OUT TO CENTERPOINT ON SATURDAY. IT STARTS THE EVENT STARTS AROUND 7:00 A.M. SO GET OUT THERE AND SIGN UP. IF YOU HAVEN'T SIGNED UP I THINK THEY TAKE SIGN UP RIGHT THEN AND THERE TO HELP THE FAMILIES IN NEED. WITH THAT WE'LL CONTINUE TO NEW BUSINESS. NUMBER ONE PATRICIA. ORDINANCE 2019-41 ORDINANCE

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I'M NOT SAYING THERE'S A WAY AROUND IT BUT GO TO AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE.

LOWERING IT FROM 10 PERCENT TO 5 PERCENT. THAT IS AT LEAST HELPING THE PETITIONERS SAVE SOME MONEY. BUT LIKE I SAY FIND A METHOD THAT DOESN'T GIVE 17 DIFFERENT OPTIONS ON HOW TO DO IT. SO WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT BEING SAID IT'S A HARD ONE FOR YOU GUYS. AND I KNOW THAT BUT THAT'S OK. YOU'RE GETTING THE BIG BUCKS NOW BASED ON 2016 ELECTION THE BIGGER POPULATION THE MORE YOU MAKE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HAVE ANOTHER CARD? IT COMES BACK TO US SIR. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. IF NOT I'M GONNA NEED A MOTION. ONE QUESTION. YES. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WILL BE FOR MR. WEISS OR OUR CITY MANAGER. WITH THIS GOING ON THE BALLOT WITH SPECIAL ELECTION I REMEMBER IT WAS SAID THAT THIS WOULD BE CHEAPER. THE ESTIMATE I RECEIVED FROM THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS WAS APPROXIMATELY SEVENTY FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS PLACING IT ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT DOES NOT CHANGE THAT COST BECAUSE IT IS AN OFF YEAR ELECTION IS NOT A COUNTY WIDE ELECTION. SO THEY'RE HAVING TO OPEN UP ALL OF OUR POLLS JUST SPECIFICALLY FOR PALM BAY. OK. THANK YOU SO I NEED A MOTION COUNCIL. MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 2019-41 PROVIDING FOR REFERENDUM ELECTION TO BE HELD ON NOVEMBER 5TH 2019 TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE CITY CHARTER SHOULD BE AMENDED AND FOR PLACEMENT OF TWO REFERENDUM ITEMS ON THE BALLOT. SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BAILEY. OK.

RIGHT. I WILL AMEND MY MOTION TO INCLUDE THREE REFERENDUMS. SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BAILEY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM COUNCIL. YES MAYOR. IN SECTION 3 . 0 9 3 ORIGINALLY WE'RE MAKING CHANGES WHICH WOULD ESTABLISH DEFINITE DATES SO THAT IF A PETITION COMMITTEE WAS TO PETITION THEY WOULD KNOW EXACTLY TIMELINES FOR WHEN THEY NEED TO GET IT IN OR GET IT ON A SPECIFIC ELECTION FOR THE GENERAL ELECTION. BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE TAKING AWAY THE ABILITY FOR THE FOR THE PETITIONERS TO FORCE A SPECIAL ELECTION. I HAVE MIXED FEELINGS ON ON ON THAT. HOWEVER I THOUGHT THAT IT WAS GOOD AT LEAST WE GAVE THEM SPECIFIC DEADLINES IF YOU WANTED TO WIN THE NEXT ELECTION WHERE IT WOULD BE. I THINK SOME PEOPLE'S CONCERN WAS WELL WHAT IF YOU MISSED THAT DEADLINE BY A FEW DAYS OR WEEK AND ENDS UP BEING TWO YEARS LATER. SO NOW YOU'VE DELAYED A PETITION PROCESS BY TWO YEARS OF COUNCIL DOES NOT ELECT TO DO A SPECIAL ELECTION. OF COURSE MY COUNTER TO THAT IS THERE. THERE'S ALWAYS AND THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING EVERY TWO YEARS TWO OF US TWO OF THESE SEATS ARE ALWAYS UP EVERY TWO YEARS SO I'D ARGUE THAT COUNCIL'S NOT NOT BENDING TO THAT WILL THAT THERE IS AN OPTION THERE. BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID 10 PERCENT IS A HEFTY NUMBER. WE SAW HOW LONG IT TOOK THIS LAST PETITIONS THE FIRST ONE THAT WE'VE SEEN THE GUINEA PIG. IT'S QUITE A BIT OF EFFORT I THINK. I THINK IT ALSO REFLECTS QUITE A BIT OF THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE SO I THINK I THINK THERE HAS TO BE SOME SOME GIVE GIVE OR TAKE THERE. WHAT MY SUGGESTION IS AND WHY I WANTED TO SEE FROM RUSS ACCOUNTS WAS MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IF IF WE PASS IT THE WAY IT IS AND MISS

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BILL BATTIN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SW LOOKING AT THE PACKET ON THIS. I COULDN'T HAVE SAID THAT PLANS WOULD BE INCLUDED TO SHOW YOU CAN SEE HOW THEY'RE MAKING THE LEFT TURN REGULATING LEFT TURN RIGHT TURN. THEY WEREN'T IN THE PACKET I COULDN'T FIND THEM. I TRIED TO SEE THEM IN THE AGENDA PACKET. THEY WEREN'T THERE. BUT I'M GOING TO REWIND SOME TAPES. THERE IS BIG MEETINGS HERE WHERE WE'VE TRIED TO PUT A BERM UP ON GAYNOR ROAD. YEAH I KNOW YOU CHUCKLE. IT WAS A BIG DEAL. GAYNOR ROAD BECAUSE OF THE ROLLOVERS OF VEHICLES DRIVING THROUGH PEOPLE YARDS RIDICULOUS. AND YOU KNOW NOW BY TRYING TO GET BUY PROPERTY FOR RIGHT OF WAY THAT IT'S ONLY 15 FEET WIDE IN SOME LOCATIONS BUT YOU PULLED THE BERM BECAUSE A DEVELOPER WANTS TO PUT IN ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY FOUR HOMES. AND YOU SAID YEAH WE HAVE OTHER. WELL LET'S PULL THAT BERM. THAT SOUNDS LIKE A SMART THING TO DO. AND THE DEVELOPER SURELY THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GO LEFT ON THAT ROAD. THEY'RE ALL GOING TO GO RIGHT WHICH IS AWAY FROM THE CITY. OK THAT WAS YOURS. THAT WAS YOUR LOGIC OF IT. BUT NOW HERE IS A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THEY SAY ALL THE PEOPLE ARE USING IT. WE GOT 20 CARS COMING THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU PUT ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY FOUR ON A DIRT ROAD. HUNDRED FORTY FOUR HOMES. NOT ONLY THE

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YOU PULLED NUMBER TWO. I'D LIKE TO KNOW. THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO THE RESIDENTS OF UNIT 21. AND FOR SOME REASON YOU PULLED IT AND THE CITY ENGINEER HAS BEEN OUT THERE AND REALIZES THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE DONE. YET YOU PULLED IT. BILL. BILL. YES. WE DIDN'T PULL IT.  IT WAS PULLED BECAUSE A RESIDENT WANTED A EXPLANATION. AND BILL BATTIN. PULLED IT.

IT WASN'T US. COUNCIL. IT WAS BILL BATTIN WHO PULLED IT AND RESIDENTS HAVE ALLOWED TO DO THAT IF SOMETHING THAT'S IN CONSENT. BUT HE DOESN'T LIVE IN MY UNIT. I UNDERSTAND.

BUT HE STILL HAS THE RIGHT TO QUESTION THE ITEM ON THE AGENDA.  I THOUGHT THE COUNCIL HAD THE ABILITY TO PULL AN ITEM. RESIDENTS HAVE RESIDENTS ALL RESIDENTS OF PALM BAY COULD COME AND SPEAK ON AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

AND HAVE IT PULLED IF IT IN CONSENT. THAT'S OK BUT WE'RE STILL WE'RE STILL VOTING ON IT. IT JUST WAS PULLED FOR DISCUSSION. FOR DISCUSSION.

IT WASN'T PULLED FROM THE AGENDA. THERE'S NEVER GONNA HAPPEN. OK THAT'S NOT WHAT THE PULL MEANS. ALL RIGHT. IT'S PULLED FOR DISCUSSION. THE CHIEF LIVES DOWN THE STREET ME. I KNOW I UNDERSTAND.  [LAUGHTER] I NEED A MOTION. MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSIDERATION OF IMPLEMENTING TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES AND LEFT TURN RESTRICTIONS FROM EMERSON DRIVE ON TO ATHENS DRIVE AND DONNER ROAD. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN SANTIAGO. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION COUNCIL. I JUST WANT TO THANK I KNOW THERE'S SOME OTHER RESIDENTS HERE THAT HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THREE HOURS TO GET THIS HEARD THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND SEEING IT THROUGH. I DID WANT TO SAY THAT I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO SPEAK DIRECTLY WITH THE STAFF FULLY ON IT. I'M OK WITH WHAT'S THERE BUT I JUST WONDERED IF THERE WASN'T MORE AND I'LL PROBABLY COME BACK TO STAFF AND SEE IF THERE WASN'T MORE THAT CAN BE DONE TO REDUCE THAT. BUT IF THE RESIDENTS ARE HAPPY WHICH IS APPEARS TO CONSENT BECAUSE NOBODY'S CAME UP HERE WITH A PROBLEM WITH IT THEN WE CAN MOVE FOR WHAT WE HAVE. I DID NOT KNOW THE CHIEF LIVED THERE AND THEN THAT'S ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY FOUR NEW HOMES FOR THE STORMWATER THING. SO IT'LL BE LESS. OK. WITH THAT. I'M GOING TO CALL IT ALL IT.  YES.

WITH THAT I'M GOING TO CALL IT ALL IT. ALL FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED SAY NAY.

MOTIONS DONE BILL. YOU'RE WELCOME. ITEM NUMBER THREE. LISA. 10:15. LOTS TO READ HERE ON THIS BUDGET. SO STAFF HAS IT'S TIME TO ADOPT THE PROPOSED MILLAGE RATE FOR THE TRIM NOTICE TO OUR RESIDENTS SO THAT WE CAN SEND IT OUT WITH THE WITH THE MAXIMUM. MAXIMUM PROPOSED MILLAGE RATE OF 8.45. WE ALSO HAVE TO AUTHORIZE THE ADVERTISEMENT OF THE PROPOSED VOTED DEBT MILLAGE RATE FOR THE ROAD BOND PROGRAM. SO THAT IS AT .8 2 9 6. WE ALSO NEED TO SCHEDULE THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING DATE FOR TUESDAY SEPTEMBER 3RD 2019 AT 6 P.M. AND THE SECOND HEARING DATE FOR TUESDAY SEPTEMBER 17TH 2019 AT 6 P.M.. PROPOSED MILLAGE RATE

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YOU GOT IT. WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS DRILL. YOU HAVE.

JUST FOR ADVERTISING. JUST FOR ADVERTISING AND THERE'S SOME PUBLIC HEARING DATES AND SOME DATES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP.

DAWN BITTAR I DON'T SEE. SHE LEFT. OK. SHE LEFT.  WITH THAT I NEED A MOTION COUNCIL. A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSIDERATION OF THE CERTIFICATION OF THE TAXABLE VALUE 2020 PROPOSED OPERATING MILLAGE 8.45. 2020 PROPOSED DEBT MILLAGE RATE AND SCHEDULING DATES FOR THE BUDGET PUBLIC HEARINGS. SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN SANTIAGO. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, COUNCIL? IF NOT I'M GOING TO CALL IT. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED SAY NAY.

NAY. OK 4-1. ITEM FOUR WAS PULLED. BILL BATTIN. 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SW ON YOUR 2018 LOTG FUND WHICH THOSE PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LOTG FUND IS, THAT'S THE NINE MILLION DOLLAR NOT A BOND. WHAT IS IT? YEAH A BOND. WE TOOK OUT FOR THE ST. JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN PAID FOR BY THE DEVELOPER AND WHEN I BROUGHT WHEN I QUESTIONED IT WHEN THIS FIRST HAPPENED I WAS TOLD WELL THE DEVELOPER IS HAVING PROBLEMS AND WE MADE COMMITMENTS TO THE STATE TO THE FEDERAL AND TO THE COUNTY. AND SO IN ORDER TO KEEP OUR WORD WE'RE TAKING OUT THIS THIS BOND. WELL WE'VE AS TO THIS POINT. WE'VE SPENT FOUR. WHAT IS IT? WE HAVE 4.7 OF THE 9 MILLION DOLLARS REMAINING. YET WE HAVEN'T EVEN CONNECTED TO BABCOCK YET. THE DEVELOPERS ACCOMPLISHING HOPEFULLY THEY'RE ACCOMPLISHING SOMETHING IN THERE FOR THEM BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE WHOLE PURPOSE WAS WAS IT IS GOING TO BENEFIT ME BE WHAT THE DEVELOPERS WERE DOING. BUT THEY'RE NOT MAKING HEADWAY DOWN THERE FOR THEIR DEVELOPMENT. SO WE WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER SERVED IF WE WOULD HAVE SAID NO WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THAT EXIT COMING OFF OF NINETY FIVE. AND WE MADE A COMMITMENT OFF OF MY BACK BECAUSE OF WHAT THE DEVELOPERS SAID THEY WERE GOING TO DO. I JUST WANT TO KEEP THAT IN THE PUBLIC'S EYE THAT THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WE DIDN'T REQUEST. WE WERE SLAPPED WITH IT BECAUSE WE HAD TO DO IT BECAUSE WE MADE A COMMITMENT BECAUSE DEVELOPERS SAID THEY WERE GOING TO DO SOMETHING AND THEN THEY DIDN'T. AS A RESULT NOW THIS BOND IS BEING PAID FOR UNDER WHAT IS A TAX OUR GAS TAX. I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE DEDICATED IT TO. THINK WHAT NINE MILLION DOLLARS COULD HAVE DONE FOR THE REST OF THE CITY INSTEAD OF 1.5 MILES OF ROAD FOR A DEVELOPER WHAT ELSE IT COULD HAVE ACCOMPLISHED FOR THE CITY. AND I'M STILL GOING TO HAVE MY PRESENTATION. THERE'S STILL A LOT OF STUFF THAT I'M GOING THROUGH AND REALLY GAINING BUT I WILL HAVE MY PRESENTATION. EVENTUALLY LET ME KNOW.  REPORT I REALIZE THERE'S AN ITEM THAT THERE'S PASSION THERE AND THEN WE WILL.

YES. THANK YOU. I NEED A MOTION COUNCIL. MOTION TO APPROVE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF THE CITY'S MONTHLY FINANCIAL REPORT FROM MAY 20 19. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BAILEY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION COUNCIL. IF NOT I'M ON TO CALL IT ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? OK. ITEM SIX IS CONSIDERATION OF COUNCIL MEMBERS ATTENDING THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES [INAUDIBLE] FLY IN UNTIL THE 22ND, 23RD. I WON'T BE IT I WON'T BE ATTENDING THAT SO I WILL LEAVE IT UP TO [INAUDIBLE] SINCE YOU ARE THE LEAD REPRESENTATIVE. I WILL BE THERE AS WELL. PALM BAY REPRESENTATIVE. I DON'T KNOW. I WON'T BE THERE I'M NOT I'M NOT BIG IN FAVOR OF THE JUNKET TYPE SITUATION. BUT ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT ADMINISTRATIVE AND LEGAL LISA. NO SIR.

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MEANING SHOULD TAKE APPROXIMATELY 45 MINUTES THOSE PRESENT WILL BE MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, CITY MANAGER LISA MORRELL, THE ATTORNEY PATRICIA SMITH DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY JILL JACOBS AND A COURT REPORTER.

ALREADY AGREED TO BE THERE ON THE 23RD. SO WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT PUBLIC COMMENTS. IF NO PUBLIC COMMENTS. MEETING ADJOURNED.

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