ARE WE READY? OKAY, HERE WE GO.
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LET'S CALL THIS TO ORDER.THIS IS REGULAR MEETING 2020 404 OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ADVISORY BOARD.
RIGHT? IT'S ON, I DON'T THINK NO, I DON'T THINK IT'S.
INCREASE THE VOLUME. THERE WE GO, THERE WE GO, HERE WE GO.
OKAY, SO LET'S CALL THIS TO ORDER.
IF I COULD HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
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WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. SO NEXT WE'LL MOVE ON TO ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING.I HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I'M SEEING NONE AND I VOTE I THAT MOTION PASSES.
NEXT WE'LL MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENTS OF NON-AGENDA ITEMS. I'M NOT SEEING ANY.
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SO THEN WE WILL MOVE TO OLD UNFINISHED BUSINESS WHICH WAS AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE ORIENTATION AND TRAINING ATTENDANCE.DO WE WANT TO DO A ROLL CALL OR.
SOME MEMBERS DID NOT GET A CHANCE TO COMPLETE THE TRAINING AND REQUESTED ADDITIONAL TIME.
IS A DISCUSSION ON PART ONE OF THE TRAINING AND RAISED THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS.
AND I'D LIKE TO VERY QUICKLY GO OVER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS.
OKAY, SO IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE CITY OF PALM BAY HOUSING WEBSITE.
BUT OUR HOUSING PROGRAMS ARE ALL LISTED HERE.
AND ONE OF THE FIRST QUESTIONS THAT WAS ASKED WAS, HOW DID THE DEPARTMENTS ARE NOTIFIED OF UPCOMING AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS THAT NEED TO BE EXPEDITED? WE DO MEETINGS WITH AND STAFF INTERNALLY TO DISCUSS ANY AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT, AS WELL AS WHEN WE BRING IT FORWARD ON AN AGENDA ITEM.
YOU KNOW, IT COMES TO THE CDAB AND THEN YOU GUYS RECOMMEND IT AS A BOARD.
THEN WE TURN AROUND AND TAKE THAT OVER TO COUNCIL.
SO ALL THE DEPARTMENTS ARE AWARE WHEN THERE IS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT.
AND SO WE COMMUNICATE HOW WE WOULD TRY TO EXPEDITE THOSE PROJECTS THROUGH THE PROCESS.
IF THERE ARE 100% AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS.
SO ON OUR WEBSITE, IF YOU SCROLL DOWN, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE IS A BUILDING PERMIT REDUCTION PROGRAM, CERTIFICATION FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND ANY DEVELOPER THAT WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND GET THE BUILDING PERMIT FEE REDUCTION WOULD GO AHEAD AND FILL THIS OUT.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THERE'S REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY SID, WHICH WOULD BE THE DIRECTOR AND THEN THE BUILDING OFFICIAL, AND THAT WOULD HELP KEEP EVERYONE IN THE LOOP TO INCLUDE PLANNING AND ZONING, BECAUSE WHEN THEY COME IN WITH THE PERMITS, THEY WOULD KNOW.
SO I THINK I LEARNED THIS THROUGH A CONVERSATION WE HAD.
CURRENTLY, NO AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS BEING BUILT THAT IS NOT FUNDED THROUGH THE CITY.
IS THAT AN ACCURATE STATEMENT? OKAY. THAT I'M THAT I'M THAT WE'RE AWARE OF? OKAY. SO THEN TO ANSWER NUMBER TWO, WHAT WOULD BE DONE TO ENSURE WELL LIKE KIND OF ANSWER THAT IF A PRESENTATION WOULD BE DONE ON THE PROCESS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, ONCE ALL CDBG MEMBERS WOULD HAVE COMPLETED THE AHAC TRAINING.
I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ADDRESS IF THE BOARD WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
I KNOW THAT THERE IS AN ETHICS TRAINING ON THE SCHEDULE TOWARDS THE BACK LATER ON.
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SO LET ME GO BACK TO THE WEBSITE.IF YOU SCROLL DOWN OR ACTUALLY UP, THE PUBLICLY OWNED LAND IS SUITABLE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
SO THIS IS ACTUALLY A RESOLUTION THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE.
THIS IS REALLY DIRECTED BY THE SHIP PROGRAM, THE FLORIDA HOUSING.
FINANCE CORPORATION, WHICH IS SHIP.
THEY REALLY ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE MOVED THIS ALONG.
AND SO ALL THE CITIES ARE REQUIRED TO IDENTIFY SOME SURPLUS PROPERTIES.
OBVIOUSLY THINGS THAT ARE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WOULD BE THE CAN YOU BUILD ON IT IF YOU CAN'T BUILD ON IT? THERE'S DIFFERENT OPTIONS HERE.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS ON OUR WEBSITE.
AND MOST MOST CITIES WILL HAVE THIS.
IS THERE AN ACTUAL LIST, THOUGH, OF THESE PROPERTIES? AT THE END OF THE DAY? I MEAN, THE DECLARATION IS GREAT.
IS THERE AN ACTUAL IF YOU SCROLL DOWN? YEP. SO, AS YOU KNOW DOCTOR HART WELL, MAYBE YOU DON'T KNOW, BUT THE FIRST TWO HAVE ALREADY BEEN DONATED FOR FIRST TIME HOME BUYER.
TO BE DEVELOPED. SO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ARE GOING ON THE FIRST TWO.
AND THEN FINALLY IF THE BOARD COULD GET MORE INFORMATION ON CLTS, I THINK LAST YEAR WE DID HAVE DURING THE KDAB BOARD WHEN WE WERE CONSIDERING THE RFP.
LAST YEAR, WE DID HAVE A SMALL PRESENTATION ON CLTS BECAUSE THE ONLY CLT THAT WE HAVE IN BREVARD COUNTY IS COMMUNITY OF HOPE, AND THEY DID PRESENT A SMALLER VERSION OF CLTS.
THERE'S A FULL ONLINE PRESENTATION FOR CLTS FROM FLORIDA HOUSING CORP CORPORATION.
WHAT ARE THEIR MECHANISMS? AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK INTO TO SEE IF HE CAN SEND ANY MORE MARKETABLE INFORMATION OR MORE INFORMATION FOR YOU IF YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT.
AND IF IT'S A MECHANISM THAT ENABLES US TO SUPPORT MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THEN I HEAR YE, HEAR YE.
AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THE RFA RFP THAT THAT WILL COME OUT ON THE ADDITIONAL LAND.
WHAT WILL BE DONE TO REPLENISH THIS LIST WITH ADDITIONAL SURPLUS LOTS THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY? IS THERE A PROCESS FOR THAT? THERE IS A PROCESS FOR THAT.
FROM THROUGHOUT THE CITY TO SEE YOU NO HIGHER THAN ME.
WHAT THOSE LANDS ARE, ARE THEY BUILDABLE? AND THERE'S A WHOLE PROCESS TO THAT.
OKAY. BUT THEY DO HAVE A PROCESS TO LOOK GO.
OKAY. WE HAVE WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING WITH EVERYTHING ON OUR LIST.
HOW DO WE REPLENISH THIS LIST.
AND IS THERE A TIMELINE ON THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, I'D HAVE TO GET MORE INFORMATION FOR YOU.
I'M SORRY, I JUST I BELIEVE WHEN THIS I THOUGHT THIS WAS APPROVED EVERY YEAR.
SO YOU'RE SAYING EVERY THREE YEARS.
AND AT THAT POINT IN TIME, STAFF SHOULD BE REVIEWING THE PARCELS TO DETERMINE ARE THEY DEVELOPABLE? YOU KNOW, WHAT'S NEIGHBORING THEM? ARE THEY LANDLOCKED LIKE WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
I THOUGHT IT WAS ONCE A YEAR. BUT IF IT'S EVERY THREE YEARS, THAT'S FINE TOO.
AND THEN DURING THE TRAINING, I THOUGHT THAT IT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS.
AND I'M HAVING A HARD TIME SEEING TODAY DURING THE TRAINING, THE PART TWO, THERE WAS, I BELIEVE, 4 OR 5 TRAININGS THAT THEY REFERENCED THAT WERE LIKE TEN MINUTE LONG SESSIONS THAT THEY RECOMMENDED WERE GREAT FOR A MEETING JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE SHORT AND THEY WERE SMALL PIECES.
SO MAYBE WE CAN SCHEDULE SOME OF THOSE IN IF WE FEEL LIKE THEY'RE IMPORTANT.
IT WAS AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE TRAINING.
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HE SAID THEY WERE TEN MINUTES LONG.DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO.
I'M ROLLING BACK, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, TO.
NO, NO. WHAT WOULD BE DONE TO ENSURE COMMUNICATION BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS ONCE A PROJECT IS IDENTIFIED? YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE UNIQUE WITH THOUSANDS OF FILES IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
HOW DO YOU IDENTIFY THIS ONE? IS IT MARKED YELLOW? IS IT PUT A LITTLE STICKY ON IT.
SO EVERYBODY KNOWS IS THIS FILE GETS MARCHED AROUND THAT IT'S NOT JUST YOUR NORMAL FILE.
SO THEY WOULD TAKE THIS, FILL IT OUT, BRING IT TO US.
WE WOULD REVIEW IT, VERIFY WE SIGN IT, WE SEND THAT OVER TO BUILDING.
AND THEN BUILDING WOULD HAVE THIS TO KEEP ON RECORD.
I'M, I'M, I'M ACTUALLY BEING MUCH SIMPLER.
HOW IS THE FILE MARKED? SO EVERYBODY KNOWS THIS OUT OF THE THOUSANDS OF FILES THAT ARE IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT ALL THESE HOMES.
OH, I SEE HOW HOW HOW IS THAT? SO WE KNOW THAT BASED ON EXPEDITING FOR PERMITTING FOR ALL THESE THINGS BECAUSE OF TRUTH, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH SUCH SLIM MARGINS, YOU CAN'T BE SITTING AROUND.
SO THE QUESTION IS, IS IT MARKED WITH THE YELLOW RUBBER BAND? DOES IT HAVE SOME LITTLE BLINKY LIGHT ON IT OR WHAT? I'D HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT BECAUSE I DON'T WORK IN BUILDING, BUT I COULD DEFINITELY ASK OUR OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND GET BACK TO YOU.
WELL, DON'T YOU GUYS USE ELECTRONIC PERMITTING SOFTWARE? SO I HAVE YEAH, I WOULD PRESUME THAT I WOULD PRESUME THAT THE APPLICATION IS CODED IN SOME MECHANISM TO SAY THAT IT'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THAT IT'S NOT.
SO THERE'S A BUILDING PERMIT AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ONE.
NO. REMEMBER WHEN THERE WAS THERE'S TWO.
THERE'S ONE AT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, A BUILDING PERMIT.
BUT THERE'S ANOTHER PERMIT THAT IS IN THE OTHER BUILDING AT THE CITY.
THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT NUMBERS FOR THEM, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE OTHER ONE'S CALLED.
THANK YOU. WHAT YOU MAY BE REFERRING TO IS THE PUBLIC WORKS.
PUBLIC WORKS HAVE THEIR OWN SET OF PERMIT.
THEN YOU HAVE A BUILDING PERMIT, BUT IT'S CALLED SOMETHING.
THEY DO HAVE TWO DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, ONE START WITH BL WHICH IS FROM THE BUILDING.
RIGHT. THEN THEN THE, THE NUMBER.
SO BUT WHAT IF WOULD IF YOU COULD TAKE THAT AND ATTACH LIKE A BL A P JUST SO LIKE IT HAS IT IN THE NUMBER. SO EVERY TIME IT GETS PULLED.
HOLD ON HOLD ON. LET HER FINISH.
LIKE SIMILAR WHEN THE POLICE WERE DOING A LOT OF THE OUTREACH WITH PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS, THEY HAD A SPECIAL CALL CODE THAT WAS ONLY FOR PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.
GO AHEAD. I WAS GOING TO SAY JUST MAKE THE FILE YELLOW OR AS OPPOSED TO A MANILA, IT'S ELECTRONIC.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING. I KNOW THAT, BUT.
I THINK SHE GOT THE GIST OF WHERE WE'RE GOING, AND I GOT IT.
YEAH. OKAY. ANY MORE COMMENTS ON THE TRAINING? I DO, YES, SIR.
I QUITE HONESTLY, I DIDN'T GET TO DO THE SECOND ONE.
DO WE CURRENTLY HAVE YOU KNOW, LAND TRUST FOR DEDICATED TO FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT.
ARE YOU ASKING? WELL, NO, BUT IF I'M ALONG THE SAME.
RIGHT. WELL, YEAH, THAT'S RELATED TO THAT.
BUT WHAT WHAT ARE WE WHAT I GUESS MY THE FOLLOW UP QUESTION.
MORE, MORE SO SO IT IS AN ENTITY, NOT AN INTERNAL.
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SO WITH HOME YOU DO IT FOR FOR THE COMMUNITY HOUSING DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATIONS.THERE'S 15% THAT HAS TO GO TO THEM.
OKAY. EVERY TIME WE GET AN ALLOCATION FOR CLT THAT THAT'S NOT A THING.
THE ONE C.L.C THAT DOES HAVE IT DOES HAPPEN TO BE A PHOTO.
THEY COULD APPLY FOR A HOME RFP OR COME BACK WITH A PROPOSAL.
BUT THERE'S NO SET CLT SET ASIDE FOR THAT, SIR.
AND THE COUNTY AND I IGNORANT TO THE NAME OF IT.
THE COUNTY JUST PASSED SOMETHING THAT SUPPOSED TO FUND AFFORDABLE HOUSING, A SPECIFIC FUND, AND I CANNOT REMEMBER THE NAME OF IT. HOWEVER, TO DATE THERE IS $0 IN THE FUND.
ONE OF THE EXAMPLE I'VE SEEN IS THE CITY OF MIRAMAR.
SO WHAT THEY DO, YOU MENTIONED 15%.
SO THEY GAVE A COUPLE OF GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHAT THEY DO.
SO ANY, I KNOW CURRENTLY ANY SURPLUS PROPERTY THAT WE ALL PROCESS ONE COUNCIL DEEMED THEM SURPLUS.
SO THEY TAKE IT FROM THERE, PUT IT, PUT IT INTO MARKET OR DO WHAT THEY DO.
AND THE PROCEEDS GENERALLY FROM THAT GOES BACK TO TO OUR ROAD MAINTENANCE.
BUT WHAT THE CITY OF MIRAMAR, THE EXAMPLE IS WHAT THEY DO OFF OF THAT.
THEY ATTRIBUTE IT TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
YOU KNOW TO SUPPORT AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT.
SO I'M SPEAKING OUT LOUD HERE JUST TO WHAT COULD WE POSSIBLY DO? IS THAT A GOOD EXAMPLE, OR IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN MAYBE, YOU KNOW, LOOKED INTO TO SEE WHAT? HOW COULD THAT POSSIBLY APPLY TO WHAT WE DO HERE, YOU KNOW.
SO THE AGENDA ITEM THAT HAD GONE BEFORE COUNCIL BACK IN 2023, IT STATES HERE.
WHAT ARE SOME OF THE OPTIONS THAT YOU CAN DO ONCE YOU'VE IDENTIFIED THE PROPERTIES AND PROPERTIES IDENTIFIED AS APPROPRIATE FOR USE AS PERMANENT AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON INVENTORY LISTED ADOPTED BY THE CITY MAY BE OFFERED FOR SALE, AND THE PROCEEDS MAY BE USED TO PURCHASE LAND FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, OR TO INCREASE THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT FUND EARMARKED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, OR MAY BE SOLD WITH RESTRICTION THAT REQUIRES THE DEVELOPMENT OF PROPERTY AS PERMANENT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, OR MAY BE DONATED TO A NONPROFIT HOUSING ORGANIZATION FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF PERMANENT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
SO AND THEN IT ALSO STATES THAT, ALTERNATIVELY, THE CITY MAY OTHERWISE MAKE THE PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR USE FOR THE PRODUCTION AND PRESERVATION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO I FEEL LIKE THERE'S PLENTY OF TOOLS HERE THAT WE COULD USE IN OUR TOOL BELT, OKAY TO DO THAT, BUT IF THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT YOU SEE THAT. YOU'D WANT TO ADD TO IT.
YES, SIR. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SO I WAS I BROUGHT UP PORT SAINT LUCIE, AND IT'S EVEN MENTIONED AS ONE OF THE EXAMPLES IN THE TRAINING AS WELL FOR THE SAME PURPOSE.
FOR, RIGHT? I MEAN, THEIR DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE, SHIP FUNDS AND SO FORTH.
AND I'VE SEEN THE PROPERTIES THAT THEY PUT OUT THERE TO THE PUBLIC.
RIGHT. WHICH ONE SHIP PORT SAINT LUCY'S PROPERTIES THAT THEY LITERALLY TURN AROUND AND FIX UP AND THEN GIVE DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE, SHIP FUNDS THAT ARE APPROVED TO BUYERS AND THEN THE PARTNERSHIP PROCEEDS. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE MAKING MONEY, BUT THEY ARE BASED ON THE NOTE.
AND THE MORTGAGE SEEM TO BE SATISFACTORY TO FANNIE MAE AND FREDDIE MAC, AS WELL AS FHA AND VA.
SO TO ME, THOSE WOULD BE THE MORTGAGES AND THE NOTES WE WOULD MAYBE WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT.
SO WE DO HAVE FIRST TIME HOME BUYER ASSISTANCE WITH HOME FUNDS AND CDBG FUNDS.
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UNDERSTOOD. BUT IF THE FINANCING BODIES AREN'T ALLOWING.US TO MAKE OUR MONIES PROPERLY.
OR MAYBE THE MECHANISM DOESN'T MEET THEIR LENDING REQUIREMENTS.
THEN MAYBE WE JUST NEED TO LOOK AT HOW THE LANGUAGE IS THAT ALLOWS US TO MAKE OUR MONEY.
WE CAN STILL HELP PEOPLE GET FINANCING RIGHT THROUGH THE NORMAL.
LENDING INSTITUTIONS THAT THEY WOULD GO TO FOR BOND MONEY AND SO FORTH.
YES, MA'AM. SORRY, I'M A MICROPHONE.
SO. HOW MANY AFFORDABLE UNITS WERE OKAY.
HOW MANY AFFORDABLE UNITS WERE BUILT IN PALM BAY THIS LAST YEAR.
AND I THINK YOU HAVE A CAPER REPORT IN REFERENCE TO THAT.
CITY OF PALM BAY'S CONSOLIDATED PLAN AND PROGRAM YEAR.
SO THIS IS OUR FIVE YEAR CONSOLIDATED PLAN.
SO FOR FIVE YEARS THERE'S GOALS AND EACH YEAR THERE'S AN ACTION PLAN.
SO FOR THE CONSOLIDATED PLAN YOU HAVE 2223, WHICH WAS THE FIRST YEAR.
DID YOU FOLLOW YOUR ACTION PLAN? DID YOU MEET THE GOALS THAT YOU HAD THAT YOU SAY YOU WERE GOING TO DO? SO THE CAPER DOES THAT AND IT OUTLINES HERE HOW MANY UNITS WHO THEY WENT TO, NOT BY NAME, BUT WHAT KIND OF ACTIVITIES WE HELD IF WE HAD ANY PUBLIC FACILITY IMPROVEMENTS.
BUT THE CAPERS ONLY EXPLAINING THE USE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY FUNDS.
CORRECT. THE CAPER EXPLAINS ALL OF THE GREAT THINGS WE DID, WHAT WE ACHIEVED THAT YEAR.
THEY WOULDN'T BE IN HERE. THEY HAVE TO BE THEY HAVE TO BE TIED WITH CDBG FUNDING.
BUT WE ALSO USE THE CAPER TO REPORT SHIP AND HOME PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO SHOW HUD WHAT OTHER FUNDING STREAMS YOU USED.
WE HAD TWO HOMES THAT WERE CONSTRUCTED AND FOR SALE.
WE ALSO ACQUIRED MACEDONIA, THE TRIPLEX, WHICH THEY ARE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND FIX.
WE, WE HELPED ACQUIRE COMMUNITY OF HOPE.
THEY HAD 13, 14 OR 13 AFFORDABLE UNITS AND THAT'S IN THE CAPER.
SO ALL OF THOSE ACCOMPLISHMENTS THAT WE HAD, YOU'RE GOING TO FIND IT IN HERE.
WE'RE AGREEING. THAT'S AN ACCURATE STATEMENT.
OKAY. IF IF THEY'RE BUILDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT THEY'RE NOT COMING FROM THEY'RE NOT TIED TO OUR FUNDING, WE WOULDN'T KNOW UNLESS THEY IDENTIFIED THAT TO US IN SOME WAY.
BUT IF SOMEONE ELSE WENT AND GOT A GRANT AND DECIDED TO PURCHASE LAND AND BUILD ON AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT WE THERE'S NO YOU KNOW, WE WON'T KNOW ABOUT IT NOW IF THEY'RE DOING IT THROUGH CDBG FUNDING HOME, OR IT'S A MECHANISM THAT WE HAVE FUNDING THAT'S TIED TO SOMETHING WE HAVE, THEN WE'LL KNOW ABOUT IT AND WE'LL REPORT IT.
SO WE SHOULD KNOW EVERY SINGLE AFFORDABLE UNIT THAT'S BEING BUILT IN PALM BAY.
AND THE REASON I'M TRYING TO MAKE REAL CLEAR THIS POINT AND MAKE SURE THAT BEING NOT.
IS THAT BASED ON WHAT YOU JUST SAID? WE HAD 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19 TOTAL UNITS THAT WERE AFFORDABLE, BUILT AND BROUGHT INTO PALM BAY LAST YEAR.
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IS THAT AN ACCURATE STATEMENT? YOU SAID TWO HOUSES, A TRIPLEX AND DREW THE COMMUNITY OF HOPE'S 14.IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ON PAGE 19.
FIVE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES FROM HABITAT OKAY.
THAT'S THAT'S THE VOA PROJECT WHICH HASN'T BEEN BUILT YET.
IT HASN'T BEEN BUILT YET, BUT WE ALLOTTED THAT FUNDING.
OKAY. SO SO YOU HAVE THE 30, THE 14, THE FIVE FOR $3 MILLION.
YES. A LOT OF MONEY. WELL, NO, 1 MILLION.
WELL, NOT TO YOU, NOT TO US, BUT YEAH.
YEAH. SO THIS WAS YES, THIS WAS A GREAT YEAR BECAUSE WE HAD THE ADDITIONAL BECAUSE YOU GUYS DID AN AMAZING JOB OF ALLOCATING LOTS OF ARPA FUNDING TOWARDS THIS. YES.
SO THIS WOULD BE CONSIDERED AN PROBABLY AN EXCEPTIONAL YEAR BECAUSE OF THE ADDITIONAL FUNDING.
AND. COMMUNITIES HAD ANYBODY'S HEAD THAT THIS IS SO MUCH MONEY AND IT'S GOING TO BE SO MANY UNITS WHEN IT'S NOT. WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY.
AND I BET YOU IF WE PULLED NUMBERS OF THE AMOUNT IN A YEAR THAT WE AS THE CITY BRING IN IN IMPACT FEES, AND THEN WE COMPARED IT TO THE AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR US TO COMPLETELY WAIVE IMPACT FEES FOR ALL AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS.
AND THE REASON I WANT TO MAKE THAT POINT IS BECAUSE THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO TRY AND INCENTIVIZE BRINGING AFFORDABLE HOUSING INTO PALM BAY IS WE CAN WAIVE IMPACT FEES, AND WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TO DO IT FOR ALL THESE AFFORDABLE.
WE CAN WE CAN SET MEASUREMENTS AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO WAIVE 100% OF THOSE FEES FOR EXTREMELY LOW AMIS, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO WAIVE 75% OF THOSE THOSE FEES FOR LOW INCOME.
AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO WAIVE ONLY 50% FOR, SAY, 80% AMI.
WE CAN DO THAT TO ENCOURAGE BUILDERS TO BUILD THOSE LOWER AMIS IN OUR CITY AND PROVIDE HOUSING FOR, LIKE I'VE SAID, THE PERSON, THE SINGLE MOM WORKING AT MCDONALD'S WHO CANNOT AFFORD TO LIVE WHERE SHE WORKS BECAUSE SHE DOESN'T HAVE THAT, THAT AFFORDABLE UNIT.
SO I JUST THINK WHEN AND AGAIN, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE CAN DO NOW BECAUSE WE'VE WE DO IT ONCE A YEAR WHEN WE LOOK AT THOSE INCENTIVES IS NEXT YEAR WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE INCENTIVES, WE NEED TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT THIS IS WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PROGRAM THAT WOULD WAIVE THOSE THOSE IMPACT FEES OR GIVE SOME PERCENTAGE OF WAIVING THEM.
IT'S A MINUTE AMOUNT OF MONEY COMING INTO THE CITY OF PALM BAY, I THINK.
THE REASON I BRING IT UP, THOUGH, IS THAT ONE OF THE THINGS IN THE SECOND TRAINING HE TALKS ABOUT IS TAKING EACH ONE OF THOSE THINGS AND NOT WAITING UNTIL JUST BEFORE WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THEM. BUT TAKING, SAY, US AS A COMMITTEE SAYING SO.
LIKE FOR ME, IF I WAS LOOKING AT IT, THE IMPACT FEES A DENSITY BONUS AND TWO OTHER INITIATIVES ON MY PRIORITY LIST WOULD, I WOULD THINK ARE VERY IMPORTANT FOR US AS A BOARD TO DISCUSS AND GET TO UNDERSTAND MORE OF.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE BOARD HAVE A DISCUSSION.
MAYBE NOT THIS MEETING, ANOTHER MEETING ON WHICH THREE TOP THREE, TOP FIVE AND INCENTIVES THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO EDUCATE OURSELVES MORE ON AND COME UP WITH SOME STRATEGIES PRIOR TO THAT MEETING THAT WE COULD TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT WE COULD DO AND ACTUALLY GET ALL THE INFORMATION ABOUT IT SO WE CAN MAKE AN EDUCATED DECISION ON THOSE.
SO THAT'S SO AS IT PERTAINED TO TRAINING.
THAT'S WHY IT MADE ME BRING IT UP TODAY IS THAT WAS PART OF THE TRAINING.
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SPECIFICALLY, STAFF IS PROPOSING TO MAKE THE FOLLOWING AMENDMENTS.SO THE PURPOSE AND INTENT WAS TO ADD ADDED REFERENCE TO THE ADDITIONAL RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE DEPARTMENT AND DELETE THE REFERENCE TO THE CONSOLIDATED ANNUAL PERFORMANCE REPORT. THIS CHANGE WOULD ALLOW STAFF TIME TO PROCESS PRIOR YEAR PAYMENTS AND PREPARE AN ACCURATE, TIMELY REPORT.
THE SECOND ONE WOULD BE ADDED REFERENCE TO ADDITIONAL RESPONSIBILITY.
I'M SORRY. WE WOULD BE STRIKING THE NON-VOTING LIAISON TO THE BOARD REPRESENTING THE CITY COUNCIL.
THIS IS NOT A REQUIREMENT IN THE FLORIDA STATUTE.
SO IT'S A CATEGORY, A SUBCATEGORY OF CDBG.
AND WHAT THAT'S ABLE TO DO ADDING HOME TO THE ACTION PLAN SUBMISSION TO BREVARD COUNTY.
STRIKING THE REVIEW OF THE CAPER.
THE NEXT ONE WOULD BE ADDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WHICH THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ADVISORY BOARD SERVES AS THE A STRIKING 2008 AS THE DEADLINE BECAUSE IT'S DECEMBER 31ST EVERY YEAR.
AND WE'RE ASKING MOTION TO RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE CHANGES TO THE CDA BUILDING CODE OF ORDINANCES, WHICH ONCE YOU GUYS DO THAT RECOMMENDATION, WE WILL BE TAKING TO COUNCIL.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE CHANGE TO THAT ORDINANCE QUESTION? SO ON A 52 1.9 B THAT SAYING CURRENTLY THAT THE ELECTED OFFICIAL WHO SERVES ON THE BOARD CAN'T VOTE CURRENTLY.
CURRENTLY IT SAYS IT'S A NON VOTING OKAY.
AND WE WANT TO STRIKE THE WORD NON AND MAKE IT VOTING OKAY.
I DIDN'T I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT.
SO CORRECT. THAT NEEDS TO COME OUT.
THAT'S THAT'S WHY I WAS CONFUSED.
OKAY. GOOD. OKAY. AND THEN I DID 52 1.9 DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES B I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT THAT IS DOING. I'M SORRY IF I SOUND B2 OR B3 B2 I'M SORRY.
I FEEL LIKE I'M PLAYING BINGO. OKAY.
ADDING HOME TO THE ACTION PLAN SUBMISSION.
YEAH. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS.
I THINK HOME WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THAT, RIGHT? CORRECT. YEAH.
IT WAS JUST THE CDBG ACTION PLAN, RIGHT? BUT THERE IS A.
WE DO TELL THE COUNTY BECAUSE THE COUNTY IS THE ONE THAT ADMINISTERS THE HOME FUNDING TO US.
OKAY. AND THEN ON THREE STRIKING THE REVIEW OF THE KEEPER.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THAT YOU'RE SO NOBODY'S.
BECAUSE THAT SOUNDS LIKE NOBODY'S REVIEWING.
LET ME LET ME MAKE IT VERY CLEAR.
SO THE TIMELINE CURRENTLY STAFF HAS TO WAIT FOR THE YEAR TO CLOSE.
AND I'M GETTING A LITTLE BIT IN THE WEEDS, BUT IT'S MAKING IT EASIER RIGHT NOW.
WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IS PROVIDE AN 80 PAGE.
YOU SAW THE CAPER. IT'S ON OUR WEBSITE.
SOMETIMES IT'S 80 PAGES, SOMETIMES IT'S 40 PAGES JUST DEPENDING.
WE WOULD BE PRINTING OUT THE TEMPLATE FROM LAST YEAR, AND WE KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY WE'VE SPENT, BUT WE STILL HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE DUST TO SETTLE AND THE YEAR TO TURN AND TO START THE NEW YEAR.
BY THAT TIME, WE IT WOULD BE TOO LATE.
SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO CHANGE IS WE WILL BRING YOU THIS.
THEN WE CAN GO AHEAD AND DO OUR CAPER.
ONCE WE KNOW OUR FULL CAPER, ONCE WE KNOW WHICH THEY HAVE THE REAL NUMBERS.
YES. OKAY, SO WE'RE NOT REVEALING A FAKE ONE, CORRECT? YOU'RE NOT. BECAUSE YOU FIGURE IF THE FISCAL YEAR ENDS SEPTEMBER 30TH, IT TAKES SEVERAL MONTHS FROM THE TIME THE FISCAL YEAR ENDS TO ACTUALLY CLOSE OUT THE YEAR.
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SO LIKE IN THEIR CASE, LET'S SAY SOMEBODY HAS ACTIVITIES THAT OCCURRED SEPTEMBER 29TH THAT MAY NOT BE INVOICED AND REIMBURSED FOR A MONTH OR SO AFTER 45 DAYS TO CUT A CHECK.SO THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT ESTIMATING BECAUSE THEY'RE TRACKING WHAT THOSE EXPENSES ARE.
I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND IT.
WE JUST FELT IT WOULD BE MORE ACCURATE TO SAY THESE ARE OUR ACHIEVEMENTS.
THESE ARE OUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
WE KNOW THAT. WE KNOW INSTEAD OF HAVING TO WAIT UNTIL NOVEMBER.
AND THEN THAT PUTS US IN A CRUNCH BECAUSE OUR CAPER IS DUE DECEMBER 31ST TO HOOD.
THERE'S NO EXTENSIONS ON THAT PERIOD.
YEAH. OKAY. AND THEN FOR L I WHAT IS C E D STAND FOR ADDING LANGUAGE TO SPECIFY CID HAS THE AUTHORITY TO ADMINISTER PROGRAMS COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OKAY.
THE DEPARTMENT THE DEPARTMENT OKAY.
THE LAST ONE DUTIES AND ADDING FLORIDA REQUIREMENT LOCAL.
WHAT ARE THE THREE REGIONAL WORKSHOPS? THAT AND THIS IS THE ELECTED OFFICIAL THAT SITS ON THE BOARD.
CORRECT. WHAT THREE WORKSHOPS ARE LOCAL OR REGIONAL WORKSHOPS ARE ARE THESE AND HOW IS HE NOTIFIED OR HE OR SHE NOTIFIED? YEAH I'D HAVE TO GET WITH FLORIDA HOUSING ON THAT.
THAT'S NEXT WEEK. ACTUALLY IT'S A ZOOM CALL.
HE'LL BE THERE. BUT WHAT? WHAT ARE THEY? WHAT? REGIONAL ONES ARE THEY? HOW WOULD THEY? I'D HAVE TO GET BACK TO TERM.
OKAY. BECAUSE THAT'S ALL LED BY FLORIDA HOUSING.
THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS ASKING IS LIKE WHO WHO IS DETERMINING THESE REGIONAL ONES? WE'RE NOT JUST LIKE, GO INTO LIKE HANG OUT WITH HIS BUDDIES.
AND THAT'S CALLED THE REGIONAL.
YOU GUYS ARE HAVING A ZOOM BINGO.
THAT'S YOUR REGIONAL WORKSHOP.
OKAY. THAT'S THAT WAS MY QUESTION.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE CHANGES TO THE ORDINANCE? NOPE. I'M HEARING NONE. DOES ANYONE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION ON THAT? SO MOVED A MOTION.
DO I HAVE A SECOND, A SECOND? I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
AYE, AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I'M SEEING NONE AND I VOTE AYE.
SO THE CITY ADMINISTERS VARIOUS STATE AND FEDERALLY FUNDED HOUSING GRANT PROGRAMS TO ASSIST LOW AND MODERATE INCOME RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY WITH DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE. OWNER OCCUPIED REHABILITATION, EMERGENCY REPAIRS, USUALLY HOOK UP ASSISTANCE AND REHABILITATION.
NEW CONSTRUCTION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
SO IN ORDER TO EFFECTIVELY ADMINISTER EACH HOUSING PROGRAM UNDER THE STATE AND FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS, IT IS NECESSARY FOR THE CITY HOUSING DIVISION TO HAVE A STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE MANUAL THAT OUTLINES THESE REQUIREMENTS.
STAFF HAS DRAFTED THE URA POLICIES AND PROCEDURES IN LINE WITH THE GUIDANCE FROM HUD.
SO WE HAD TO DISCUSS WITH THEM.
OKAY. THESE ARE THE GUIDELINES THAT YOU HAVE TO ADVISE.
SO THEY KNOW TO THE LETTER WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND ANY OTHER PROJECT MOVING FORWARD.
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON THOSE POLICIES? THAT'S GREAT. I'M SEEING NONE.
DO WE WANT TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THAT ONE TO RECOMMEND? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
I HAVE A SECOND. SECOND HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I'M SEEING NONE, AND I VOTE I THAT MOTION PASSES.
SO NEXT WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER THREE THE HOME FUNDING ALLOCATION OF $370,000.
SO THE CITY OF PALM BAY IS IN PARTNERSHIP WITH BREVARD COUNTY AND THE CITIES OF MELBOURNE, COCOA AND TITUSVILLE AND RECEIVES ANNUAL HOME INVESTMENT PARTNERSHIP OR HOME FUNDS THROUGH BREVARD COUNTY HOME CONSORTIUM.
THE LOTS HAVE BEEN ASSIGNED AS SURPLUS PROPERTIES, WHICH YOU SAW EARLIER ON OUR LIST AND HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED THAT THEY WOULD BE SERVING ELDERLY AND VETERAN POPULATIONS. WE ARE ASKING FOR A RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF.
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RECOMMENDED FUND HOME FUNDING ALLOCATION FROM FISCAL YEAR 2021.FISCAL YEAR 2023 AND FISCAL YEAR 2324, FOR A TOTAL OF $370,000.
ADDITIONALLY, WE'RE SEEKING APPROVAL TO PUBLISH AN RFP FOR REHABILITATION NEW CONSTRUCTION OF THE FOLLOWING LOTS 21, 71, 21, 73, 21, 81, 21, 85, 21, 89, AND 2193 ON NORTH VIEW STREET FOR SENIORS AND VETERANS.
AND WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT DONE BY APRIL 19TH.
THE RFP WILL INCLUDE ZONING VERIFICATION DOCUMENTS AND MAPS AND JUST SO THAT EVERYONE CAN SEE.
THESE ARE THE LOTS THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
THERE'S CURRENTLY TWO BUILDINGS ON THERE, CORRECT? YES. AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS LOT HERE AND THAT LOT THERE.
THERE'S A BUILDING HERE AND THERE'S A BUILDING THERE.
SO THESE PROPOSALS FOR REHAB OR FOR DEMOLITION AND NEW CONSTRUCTION OR WHATEVER THE PROPOSAL.
OKAY, WHATEVER PROPOSALS WE RECEIVE BACK.
BUT THEY DO HAVE TO SERVE ELDERLY AND VETERAN POPULATIONS.
IS IT ELDERLY AND OR ELDERLY OR.
NO. IT'S SERVED ELDERLY AND VETERAN POPULATIONS.
SO EACH PERSON HAS TO BE ELDERLY AND A VETERAN.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THE WORDING IS CLEAR.
OH, YOU MEAN THEY HAVE TO BE ELDERLY AND A VETERAN? CORRECT. SO IF IT'S ELDERLY OR VETERAN, YOU KNOW THAT WAS BEFORE MY TIME.
BUT I CAN GET CLARIFICATION ON THAT BECAUSE I BELIEVE I NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT.
BUT IF YOU DO AND, OR THEN THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY, WE'RE JUST GOING TO DO SENIORS OR THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY, WE'RE JUST GOING TO DO VETERANS, OR THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY, WE'RE GOING TO DO WE'RE GOING TO DO VETERANS WITH A PREFERENCE THAT ANYBODY WHO'S A VETERAN AND A SENIOR WILL BUMP TO THE TOP OF THE LIST.
WHERE DID THAT DETERMINATION COME FROM? SENIORS AND VETERANS.
I'D HAVE TO GET MORE CLARITY ON THAT BECAUSE THIS WAS BEFORE I GOT HERE.
I FEEL LIKE I HAD THAT CONVERSATION A COUPLE OF TIMES WITH DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.
BUT THAT DIDN'T COME FROM CITY COUNCIL.
IT'S JUST. IT SEEMS STRANGE THAT THAT.
I DON'T KNOW. WE DON'T. THAT'S A GOOD THAT'S A GOOD OBSERVATION.
I MEAN, I THINK THE INTENT IS WHAT YOUR OBSERVATION I THINK IT MEANT TO BE OR, AND BUT YEAH, IT CERTAINLY DIDN'T COME FROM US. AND, AND I THINK IT'S PROBABLY OMISSION OF, OF USING THE WRONG YOU KNOW, TERM HERE.
OKAY. YEAH. WELL, I'M JUST WONDERING.
IF WE'RE TALKING AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN GENERAL, WHERE DID THE SPECIFICS OF SENIORS AND VETERANS COME FROM? LIKE BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING FROM THE RESIDENTS, LIKE, WAS THERE A PUBLIC MEETING WHERE WE ASKED FOR THEIR INPUT OR.
BUT I DO REMEMBER THAT IT WAS.
BUT I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND GET IT FROM SOMEBODY WHO WAS HERE AT THE TIME.
DO YOU REMEMBER THIS AT ALL? I DON'T REMEMBER. THAT'S WHY I'M KIND OF TRYING TO GO BACK AND LOOK.
HE'S. SORRY TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.
IT JUST. I'M JUST CURIOUS HOW WE GOT THERE.
AND. AND DO WE HAVE ANYWHERE IN THE RFP? AN ARMY THAT WE'RE ASKING TO SERVE AT OR BELOW.
THAT'S THAT'S THE STANDARD AGAINST ALL THE GRANTS IS 80%.
OKAY. IS THERE WHEN IT'S GOING TO BE JUDGED IS THERE.
AND THE REASON I'M ASKING THIS RIGHT NOW.
LEE COUNTY HAS AN RFP OUT, A PRETTY EXTENSIVE ONE WITH A LOT OF MONEY.
AND SO THEY HAD MADE GIVEN PREFERENCES OR IN THE SCORING THERE'S SCORING THAT IF YOU DO CERTAIN THINGS, YOU YOU GET MORE POINTS, LIKE IF YOU'RE ABLE TO PAY IT ALL BACK WITHIN THE AFFORDABILITY PERIOD, YOU GET MORE POINTS IF YOU'RE SERVING THE LOWER THE MORE UNITS THAT ARE
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SERVING THE LOWER AMIS, YOU GET MORE POINTS.SERVING MORE HOUSEHOLDS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT THEN I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE TO SPEND THE MONEY BY A CERTAIN TIME TO.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT, YES, THERE IS A.
WHAT YOU WOULD CALL NOT A POINT SYSTEM, BUT A SCORING SHEET.
THERE IS A SCORING SHEET THAT WILL BE ATTACHED OUTLINING THE CATEGORIES.
I CAN'T COMPLETELY DIVULGE BECAUSE IT'S AN RFP PROCESS, SO I CAN'T.
I CAN TELL YOU. YES, THERE IS A SCORING SHEET ATTACHED.
OKAY, SO AS A BOARD, ARE WE ALLOWED TO LIKE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS AND SAY YES, WE CAN'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT WE RECOMMEND A SCORE SCORING SECTION THAT WOULD THAT WOULD GIVE A PROJECT MORE POINTS FOR SERVING LOWER AMIS, SINCE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY OF PALM BAY DOES NOT HAVE THOSE UNITS, THEY JUST DON'T.
THEY NOT VERY MANY OF THEM EXIST IN PALM BAY.
WELL, RIGHT NOW WHAT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THIS AGENDA ITEM IS GET THE RECOMMENDED FUNDING.
AND SO THESE ARE THE CATEGORIES THAT WE'RE WANTING TO SERVE ELDERLY AND OR VETERAN.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO BECAUSE WE HAVE TO ENCUMBER THESE FUNDS BEFORE SEPTEMBER 30TH.
SO WE HAVE TO HAVE SIGNED AN AGREEMENT.
ARDS UNITS RENTAL OR THEIR FOR SALE.
ON OUR VIEW, THESE UNITS ARE NOT VIEW ARE RENTAL PROJECTS OR HOUSES FOR SALE.
IT COULD BE RENTAL. IT COULD BE PURCHASE.
IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE PROPOSALS ARE THAT THEY RECEIVE.
CORRECT. AND IT WILL COME BACK TO THIS BOARD, THE PRESENTATIONS FOR APPROVAL.
OKAY. I MOVED TO VOTE TO APPROVE THIS FUNDING FOR THIS RFP.
OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I'M SEEING NONE, AND I VOTE AYE.
SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR LAST ITEM, WHICH IS THE INFORMATIONAL STAFF REPORT.
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AND JUST AS WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING, JUST WANT TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THE SCHEDULE THAT'S ON THE BACK OF YOUR PACKAGE.THE REVIEW OF THOSE RFPS WE ARE TENTATIVELY SCHEDULING FOR THE JUNE 19TH MEETING.
I THINK PREVIOUSLY WE HAD CANCELED THE MEETINGS IN JUNE DUE TO THE CITY SUMMER BREAK.
SO THAT IS ON THE SCHEDULE NOW.
OH THAT'S QUICK. THAT'S AWESOME.
YEAH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYTHING ON THE STAFF REPORT OR.
THAT WAS LOOKING AT WHERE WE HELD UP TALKING ABOUT THE SIDEWALK PROJECT, I THINK, FOR PUTTING IN PUTTING A SIDEWALK ALONG A CERTAIN STRETCH OF SAN FILIPPO.
YES, SIR. AND I REMEMBER WHEN THE STAFF PERSON GAVE THE PRESENTATION FOR THAT PROJECT.
SHE WAS UNCERTAIN OF HOW WIDE THAT SIDEWALK WAS WAS GOING TO BE.
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AND THAT HAD AN IMPACT ON ITS COST.SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, I DID DRIVE THAT SAN FILIPPO AREA, AND IT WAS NOT DEFINITELY NOT A TEN FOOT SIDEWALK, AND IT'S MORE LIKE FIVE FOOT.
AND ALSO, I TALKED TO ONE OF THE CONTRACTORS I KNOW JUST TO GET AN IDEA OF WHAT IT WOULD COST AT FIVE FOOT, WHICH WAS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN THE NUMBER THAT CAME UP.
I'M ONLY SORT OF BRINGING THIS UP IS, IS THAT I THINK THAT IF A STAFF PERSON COMES UP BEFORE THIS BOARD WITH SOME SORT OF PROPOSAL TO DO SOMETHING THAT.
THEY SORT OF REALLY KNOW SOME OF THE KEY ASPECTS.
AND ON A 1700 FOOT LONG SIDEWALK.
YOU KNOW, YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW HOW WIDE IT'S GOING TO BE BEFORE WE START TALKING MONEY.
WHEN CHRISTINE CAME, I HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT PROJECT.
AND IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, I THINK SHE ASKED FOR SIGNIFICANTLY MORE MONEY.
WASN'T IT LIKE 600,000? IT WAS. SO WE DIDN'T FUND THE FULL AMOUNT.
BUT YEAH, I HAD THE SAME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE WIDTH OF THE SIDEWALK.
WERE THERE UTILITIES IN THE WAY? AND SHE WASN'T QUITE SURE.
SHE WASN'T QUITE SURE WHERE SHE WAS GOING TO GET THE REST OF THE MONEY.
RIGHT. SO I AGREE WITH THOSE CONCERNS.
I THINK THEY WERE STILL IN THE DESIGN PHASE.
SO I ANTICIPATE WE WILL SEE THIS PROJECT AGAIN.
EITHER THEY'RE GOING TO NEED MORE MONEY OR SOMETHING'S GOING TO CHANGE.
YEAH. BUT YES, I CONCUR WITH THE COMMENTS THAT THAT EVEN WHEN STAFF IS PRESENTING A PROJECT, IT IT NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE, NO PUN INTENDED, A LITTLE BIT MORE CONCRETE WITH THE NUMBERS IN THE PLAN.
RIGHT. AND ALSO A PROJECT LIKE THAT, YOU SORT OF REALLY GOT TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF UNDERGROUND UTILITIES YOU MAY HAVE TO RELOCATE OR FIBER, YOU KNOW, RELOCATING FIBER OPTIC CABLE CAN RUN INTO SIX FIGURES. YEAH.
AND I KNOW THAT YOU'VE BROUGHT THIS UP MULTIPLE TIMES THAT AT MEETINGS PRIOR, BEFORE MOST OF US WERE ON THE SPORT, THEY WEREN'T COMING AT ALL TO FUNDING. SO. SO I DON'T WANT TO BE SO.
AND THAT IS A GREAT FIRST STEP.
YEAH. AND NOW THE SECOND STEP IS OKAY LET'S COME A LITTLE BIT MORE PREPARED.
YEAH. RIGHT. YEAH. BUT AGAIN SAY LET'S LET'S WE'LL SANDWICH IT.
YEAH. GREAT JOB THAT THEY'RE COMING AND LET'S DO THIS.
AND THEN THEY DIDN'T END UP ACQUIRING THAT PROPERTY THAT GOT TURNED INTO DESIGN FOR A POND PROJECT.
SO THEY THEY KIND OF REWORKED THEIR IDEAS, I THINK ONCE THEY GET STARTED.
SO I APPRECIATE THEIR ENTHUSIASM TO COME AND REQUEST MONEY.
RIGHT. I THINK VAL IN PUBLIC WORKS.
YEAH. SO IT COULD HAVE BEEN A TRANSITION WITH THE STAFF.
CHRISTINE, I THINK IS RELATIVELY NEW IN HER ROLE.
SHE WAS IN A DIFFERENT SO I GET IT.
BUT I ENVISION THAT WE WILL SEE THIS PROJECT COME BACK FOR MORE MONEY AND SOME CHANGE FOR IF I MAY ADD A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. TO THAT, I REMEMBER THE DISCUSSIONS PERFECTLY.
I THINK WHAT WHAT SHE CAME TO DO WAS VERY SPECIFIC IS SEEKING FUNDING FOR, FOR SIDEWALKS PROJECT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE ADDRESSING A COUPLE OF AREAS SPECIFICALLY THAT WE, THE CITIZENS WILL COME IN.
WE GOT PARTICULARLY A GENTLEMAN THAT OUT OF WICHITA STREET THAT COUNTLESS TIMES COME BEFORE COUNCIL COMPLAINING ABOUT SAFETY OF THE CHILDREN. I THINK A COUPLE OF SCHOOL BUS STOP WITHIN THAT CORRIDOR.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS DON'T KNOW.
I'M PROBABLY ONE OF THE LOUDEST VOICE WHEN IT COMES TO STREET LIGHTS AND SIDEWALKS.
I'LL GO FAR TO GET MONEY FOR SIDEWALKS.
AND I THINK I MADE THE CASE LAST TIME.
YEAH. I MEAN, I CAN ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT YOUR CONCERN, BUT I THINK WHAT SHE CAME TO DO, IT WAS A CHIEF.
SHE CAME ASKING FOR MONEY FOR SIDEWALKS.
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CERTAINLY THE AMOUNT OF SIDEWALK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, WHAT SHE WAS ABLE TO DO, I THINK WE WERE ABLE TO ASSIGN, WHAT, OVER $200,000, WHATEVER LEFT OVER.THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. BUT YES, WE WE NEED MORE MONEY.
BUT I WOULDN'T HOLD THAT TOO MUCH AGAINST HER BECAUSE WHAT SHE CAME TO DO, NOT NECESSARILY TO GIVE US THE NITTY GRITTY DETAIL OF SIZE OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
AND I THINK WHAT SHE DID, THAT'S WHAT SHE CAME TO DO, AND THAT'S WHAT WAS ACHIEVED.
AND I'M VERY THANKFUL THAT THE BOARD.
AGREED TO TO GIVE SOME MONEY TO PUT SOME MONEY TOWARDS THAT PROJECT.
THAT'S A FLIP SIDE OF THAT BECAUSE WE'RE FACING THE COMMUNITY.
WE'RE FACING THE RESIDENT THAT ASKING AND IF YOU DRIVE THE CITY AS MUCH AS I DO THE NEED IS GREAT.
IN FACT, I'M HAVING FURTHER CONVERSATION WITH STAFF ABOUT LET'S LOOK FOR NOT ONLY A ALTERNATIVE IN TERMS OF CHEAPER WAY COST MORE COST EFFECTIVE WAY.
AND SIDEWALK MAKES A WORLD OF A DIFFERENCE.
I GAVE THE EXAMPLE OF OF THAT GRANDFATHER PUSHING A STROLLER IN THE MIDDLE OF THE, YOU KNOW, POURING DOWN RAIN, PUSHING A BABY ON AMERICANA WHERE THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS.
IT'S JUST AN UGLY, UGLY, SAD PICTURE WE SHOULD DO.
SO I WILL, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL ALWAYS HEAR THAT SPEECH FROM ME ANYWHERE, ANY WAY POSSIBLE.
WE CAN GENERATE MONEY, SO WE NEED TO LOOK FOR ALTERNATIVE.
MY CONVERSATION WITH STAFF IS ABOUT LET'S LOOK AT.
BESIDES, CONCRETE IS SUPER EXPENSIVE AND I KNOW YOU PROBABLY CONCUR TO THAT LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
THAT'S ONE INFLATION COSTS OF CONCRETE WENT, YOU KNOW, IN THE LAST 2 OR 3 YEARS DOUBLED.
SO MY CHALLENGE TO STAFF IS TO LET'S LOOK AT ALTERNATIVE MATERIAL, POSSIBLY ASPHALT, WHAT HAVE YOU.
SO AS LONG AS WE CAN GET THE JOB DONE, MY GOAL IS TO SEE WITHIN THE NEXT FOUR YEARS TO SEE DEFINITELY UPDATE OR YOU KNOW, MASTER PLAN FOR SIDEWALKS FOR THE WHOLE CITY AND, AND ALSO JUST FIND A WAY TO MAKE IT HAPPEN IF HOLDING DEVELOPERS FOOT TO THE FIRE, IF THEY COME UP WITH A DEVELOP.
I'M ASKING THEM, HEY, I NEED SO MANY FEET OF SIDEWALKS IN FRONT OF YOUR PROJECT.
SO, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD HOLD THAT AGAINST HER.
IT'S A GREAT NEED THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
AND I THINK I'M THANKFUL THAT WE WERE ABLE TO PUT SOME MONEY TOWARDS THAT PROJECT.
AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE HOLDING IT AGAINST HER.
AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY DISAGREES WITH THE PROJECT.
SO SHE CAME WITH, I THINK WAS A $600,000 PROJECT.
RIGHT. AND THEN WHEN WE SAID, WELL, DO YOU HAVE THE REST OF THE MONEY? AND WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CDBG AND THEY'RE UP AGAINST EXPENDITURE DEADLINES, THERE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT ARE THEY GOING TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY FACILITATE THIS PROJECT IF SHE HASN'T IDENTIFIED THE REST OF THE FUNDING? THAT WAS THE BOARD'S CONCERN.
NOT NOT THAT WE DON'T SUPPORT THE SIDEWALK OR THAT THERE'S NOT A NEED FOR A SIDEWALK.
IT WAS JUST MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE PREPARATION ON HOW THEY WERE GOING TO FACILITATE THE REST OF IT.
AND SHE DIDN'T QUITE HAVE THOSE ANSWERS.
AND I'M NOT HOLDING IT AGAINST CHRISTINE IN ANY, ANY WAY.
JUST SHE SHE MAY NOT KNOW BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS AS THEY IN CONVERSATION, IF IT'S IMPORTANT ENOUGH FOR COUNCIL, IT'S IMPORTANT ENOUGH FOR THE COMMUNITY.
YOU KNOW CITY MANAGER WILL FIND THE MONEY IN MOST CASES.
AS FAR AS US CONCERNING ABOUT WHERE SHE'S GOING TO FIND THE MONEY, I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD REALLY MATTER TO THIS BOARD, EXCEPT IF THERE'S MONEY AVAILABLE WE CAN ATTRIBUTE TO A CAUSE. I THINK OUR JOB, IN MY OPINION, TO THIS BOARD IS TO ATTRIBUTE THE MONEY WHERE THE REST IS GOING TO COME FROM.
WELL, I THINK IT'S A CONCERN BECAUSE IF IF WE HAVE TWO PROJECTS AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS FUNDING WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO GO, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO SEE ONE COME TO COMPLETION.
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ADDITIONAL FUNDING SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE IT GETS SPENT, BUT ALSO SO THAT WE DON'T NOT FUND ANOTHER PROJECT THAT CAN USE THAT MONEY AND DOES HAVE A SOLID, CONCRETE PLAN TO GET ANY ADDITIONAL MONEY.BUT TO HER, HER FOR HER, IT'S DIFFICULT TO COME IN AND ASK FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY AND THEN GET THROWN A SIDE BALL OF SAYING LIKE, OH, WE CAN ONLY GIVE YOU 10% OF IT, YOU KNOW? SO, SO I THINK THAT'S A IT'S CALLED A SIDE BALL.
THAT WASN'T A RIGHT REFERENCE BUT A CURVE BALL.
YEAH, WE WE DEFINITELY PUT HER ON THE SPOT.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHY THE BOARD IS CONCERNED ABOUT THE FEASIBILITY OF THE PROJECT.
AND WE SHOULD BE. WE HAD A PROJECT COME IN FOR ASKING FOR SHIP FUNDING THAT.
YEAH, HAD NO IDEA WHEN QUESTIONED WHERE THEY WERE GOING TO GET THE 98% OF THE REST OF THE MONEY TO.
AND SO THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, HAD REASONABLE QUESTIONS THAT COULDN'T BE ANSWERED.
BUT IF I REMEMBER RIGHT I THINK THIS, THIS PARTICULAR SUBJECT I DON'T KNOW, WE MAY BE LOOKING AT IT AT A, AT A, AT A BAD WAY BECAUSE IT WAS CLEARLY DISCUSSED AT THAT MEETING WHEN THE PUBLIC WORK LADY CAME UP TO, TO PRESENT THE CASE THAT IF, IF THE FUNDING IS NOT ENOUGH TO DO THE PROJECT SHE MENTIONED FOR 600 AND SOMETHING THOUSAND, THEN SHE COULD USE IT FOR OTHER PROJECTS.
THIS IS THE CITY OF PALM BAY, AND THEY HAVE DIFFERENT PROJECTS.
IT'S A SIDEWALK PROJECT, LIGHTING PROJECT.
SO THE MAIN FOCUS WAS TO PUT THAT MONEY INTO THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT THAT THEY CAN FIX EITHER FIVE MILES OF SIDEWALK OR ONE MILE OF SIDEWALK.
THAT WAS CLEARLY DISCUSSED AT THAT MEETING, IF I REMEMBER.
RIGHT. WELL, IF IF SHE CAN'T OR I'M SORRY, I SHOULDN'T SAY SHE.
WE'RE OR LET'S SAY SHE DECIDES.
THEY DECIDE THAT IT CAN'T BE THE EIGHT FOOT MULTI-USE PATH THAT THEY PROPOSE.
THEY WANT TO DO A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO US WITH A WITH A REVISION TO THEIR PROJECT.
SO IT'S NOT JUST GENERAL SIDEWALK MONEY, RIGHT? SO I THINK THAT WAS THE CONCERN THAT MAYBE THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT WAS A LITTLE TOO LOFTY FOR THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY.
RIGHT. BUT WE YES, WE DID ASK HER, WOULD YOU BE OPEN RIGHT TO A FIVE FOOT LIKE.
AND THAT'S WHEN I THINK SHE MENTIONED THAT THEY WERE STILL DESIGNING IT.
THEY WEREN'T SURE EXACTLY RIGHT.
OKAY. YEAH, WELL, THAT'S FAIR ENOUGH.
YEAH. DID WE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE STAFF REPORT? NOPE. AND JUST CONFIRM THAT EVERYBODY IS GOOD WITH THAT JUNE MEETING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A QUORUM.
YEAH, THAT'S GOING TO BE JUNE 19TH.
IF I'M SEEING NO FURTHER COMMENTS.
WAIT. OH, YES, MA'AM. I'M SORRY.
NO. IT'S OKAY. SO I JUST WANTED TO ANNOUNCE THAT IN MAY, ON MAY 31ST, BREVARD COUNTY IS HAVING AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING SUMMIT, AND THERE IS AN EVENTBRITE INVITATION.
SO IF YOU GOOGLE IT IT'S A $25 COST, BUT IT WILL INCLUDE LUNCH.
BUT FOR BOARD MEMBERS, THIS WOULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO GET TO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN BREVARD COUNTY, BUT IT'LL ALSO GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO LOCAL DEVELOPERS, NETWORK AND DO THAT.
IF YOU NEED THE LINK, I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO EMAIL YOU THE BOARD SO THAT EVERYBODY.
YES. OKAY, SO I'M SEEING NO FURTHER COMMENTS.
WE'RE GOING TO ADJOURN THE MEETING AT 705 THIS EVENING.
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THANK YOU EVERYONE.* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.