Jul 18, 2024 Council Meetings - Regular

SO THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE DO YOU NEED A MOTION FOR ITEMS TWO AND THREE? YES, SIR. OKAY. SO MOVED.

SO I'VE GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECOND, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

ANY DISCUSSION, GENTLEMEN? SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I.

SO ANYONE HERE FOR ITEMS TWO AND THREE.

IT'S BEEN CONTINUED.

TILL AUGUST 1ST.

AGAIN. ITEMS TWO AND THREE UNDER PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN CONTINUED TILL AUGUST 1ST.

THANK YOU. SO WE ARE NOW ON RECOGNITIONS.

[PROCLAMATIONS AND RECOGNITIONS:]

SO GOOD EVENING.

GOOD EVENING. YOU KNOW, SO OFTENTIMES WE, WE WE HONOR THOSE THAT SERVE OUR COMMUNITY, EVEN THOSE, MOREOVER, THAT VOLUNTEER IN OUR COMMUNITY, THAT GIVE OF THEMSELVES, GIVE OF THEIR TIME, TAKEN AWAY FROM THEIR FAMILY, TIME TO SERVE EACH AND EVERY RESIDENT IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY. I WANT TO CALL UP DON BOERMA.

UP. COME ON, DON, GIVE IT UP TO DON.

COME ON UP, PETER. SO DON SERVES NOT ONLY AS A VCOP, HE ALSO SERVES WITH US.

AND HE GIVES UP HIS TIME IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.

SO AS A TOKEN OF OUR GRATITUDE OF HIS SERVICE, I'M GOING TO PIN HIM.

FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT EVER SERVED IN THE MILITARY, WHEN WE PIN SOMEONE, WE PIN THEM AND WE DON'T STOP UNTIL WE SEE BLOOD.

WE JAM IT IN THEIR CHEST.

IT IS A MOMENT OF PRIDE, BUT I PROBABLY WON'T DO THAT TO MR. BOERMA. BOWERMAN. IT IS IN GRATEFUL APPRECIATION FOR YOUR CONTINUING, OUTSTANDING, DEDICATED SERVICE TO THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY AND THE CONTRIBUTION YOU OFFER FOR THE BENEFIT OF OTHERS.

AS A VOLUNTEER, YOU HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THE WELL-BEING OF FELLOW RESIDENTS AND THE WELFARE OF ALL OUR CITIZENS.

BY GIVING TIRELESSLY OF YOUR TIME AND ENERGY WITHOUT DESIRE FOR RECOGNITION, RENUNCIATION OR PERSONAL GAIN.

THIS VOLUNTEER PIN IS JUST A SMALL TOKEN OF GRATITUDE, OF OUR APPRECIATION FOR YOUR CONTINUED, LOYAL, DEDICATED PUBLIC SERVICE FAITHFULLY RENDERED TO THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THIS IS THE EPITOME OF SERVICE BEFORE SELF.

THIS YOUNG MAN, AND YES, HE'S STILL YOUNG, CONTINUES TO GIVE.

YES. SO WE GOT THE SAME BARBER, ALMOST CONTINUES TO GIVE OF HIMSELF BECAUSE HE CONSIDERS OTHERS MORE THAN HIMSELF.

SO WITHOUT FURTHER FURTHER ADO, I'M GOING TO PIN THIS YOUNG MAN AND I'M GOING TO DO IT THE MARINE CORPS WAY.

THANK YOU. FIRST, LET ME STEP ON THIS SIDE TO THANK THE BOARD FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE THE CITIZENS OF PALM BAY, THE GREATEST CITY ON EARTH.

SO I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE WITH THE DEPUTY MAYOR ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, AND THAT WAS AN HONOR AND A LITTLE BIT OF ADVICE HE GAVE ME.

IF I FOLLOW IN HIS FOOTSTEPS, I COULD END UP BEING MAYOR.

SO ON THE WAY.

SO IT'S JUST A STEPPING STONE.

BUT I REALLY DO APPRECIATE IT.

I DO THIS FOR THE LOVE OF SERVING THE PEOPLE.

I THINK THEY COME FIRST.

THEY HAVE TO HAVE A VOICE.

AND I THANK EVERYBODY FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.

I KNOW THERE'S TWO PEOPLE TALKING, HAVING SPEECHES TONIGHT THANKING THEIR CONSTITUENTS FOR ELECTING THEM OR AND I KNOW WE VOLUNTEER ON THE BOARD, BUT WE STILL ARE PICKED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, SO WE CAN'T JUST COME OUT AND

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GET ON THE BOARD WITHOUT YOU GUYS OKAYING US.

SO OF THOSE TWO SPEECHES THAT ARE GOING ON TONIGHT, ONE IS IN MILWAUKIE AND THE OTHER ONE'S RIGHT HERE IN PALM BAY, SO I'LL SPEAK AT THE ONE I.

THE IMPORTANT ONE.

IT'S RIGHT HERE IN PALM BAY.

I CARE ABOUT THAT MUCH MORE THAN THE ONE UP IN MILWAUKEE.

MY ONLY HOPE IS THAT I HAVE MORE THAN 50% OF THE PEOPLE OF PALM BAY THAT LIKE ME, RATHER THAN WHAT'S ON THE OTHER END OF THE COUNTRY.

SO THAT'S ALL ABOUT THAT, I HAVE TO SAY, BUT I DO THANK CITY MANAGER MANAGER AND DANNY.

OF COURSE, I THANK YOU TOO.

AND I'D BE REMISS NOT TO MENTION LITA JORDAN, WHICH IS THE ADMINISTRATOR OF THE COPS.

SHE'S THE ONE THAT ADVISED ME TO GET INTO THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, SO I DO APPRECIATE HER CONFIDENCE IN ME.

AND BY THE WAY, SHE'S A GREAT LEADER.

THE CITY SHOULD BE HAPPY THEY HAVE HER.

SO WITH THAT SAID, THAT'S IT.

AND NO BLOOD.

SO I'M GOOD.

COMING DOWN. YEAH, I WANT TO.

COME ON.

OKAY. LET'S SMILE. LET'S LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

THANK YOU. CONGRATULATIONS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

YOU KNOW MADAM SMITH, I FAILED TO ASK ABOUT YOUR AGENDA REVISIONS, IF YOU HAD ANY.

NO, SIR.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, MADAM CHAIRMAN, WE'RE NOW ON PRESENTATIONS.

[PRESENTATIONS:]

YES. THANK YOU SIR, WE HAVE BEFORE YOU FIRST PRESENTATION FROM SUNRISE CONSULTING GROUP, OUR STATE LOBBYIST MR. ANDREW CARLISLE, IS HERE TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE FOR YOU ALL.

THANKS FOR COMING DOWN.

ANDREW, I'M GLAD TO FINALLY BE IN PALM BAY, THE GREATEST CITY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH.

THE MOST PROFESSIONAL CITY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH.

MAYOR. THANK YOU. MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

COUNCILMAN JOHNSON COUNCILMAN FELIX.

GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL. STAFF.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

I'D LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO TWO THINGS.

ONE, SEAN SENDS HIS APOLOGIES FOR NOT BEING HERE.

HE JUST HAD A NEW GRANDBABY.

BUT WE WOULD BOTH LIKE TO. SERIOUSLY, FROM OUR BOTTOM OF OUR HEARTS.

THANK YOU ALL FOR LETTING US REPRESENT YOU.

YOU ARE ONE OF OUR GREATEST CLIENTS.

WE REALLY, REALLY ENJOY IT.

TWO I WANT TO COMPLIMENT YOU AND FOR THE RESIDENTS BEHIND ME TO UNDERSTAND THE PROFESSIONALISM FROM THE STAFF AT THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

YOU GUYS ARE INCREDIBLE.

WHEN WE NEED SOMETHING DURING SESSION, AS I'VE OFTEN TOLD YOU ALL SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES THAT WE WORK WITH, I, I, I USE PALM BAY AS AN EXAMPLE OF THE WAY TO DO THINGS CORRECTLY. AND MAYOR, YOU GUYS TRULY HAVE AN INCREDIBLE STAFF HERE.

AND IT GOES. IF YOU DIDN'T ALREADY KNOW THAT, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I PUT THAT ON THE RECORD.

SO IS THIS SEAN FOSTER'S NUMBER ONE GRANDCHILD OR DOES HE HAVE OTHER'S NUMBER ONE GRANDCHILD? YES. YES, SIR. YEAH.

SO HE IS A HUGE MILESTONE.

HE'S OFFICIALLY OLD AND I HOPE HE'S WATCHING AS I AS I SAY THAT.

SO, SEAN, GO THERE.

YOUR AARP CARD IS IN THE MAIL.

HOW DO I. I JUST LOOK AT YOU AND.

OH. GOT IT.

THANK YOU. SO AS OF TODAY, REALLY, AS OF JULY 1ST LEGISLATIVE SESSION, THE WAY I SEE IT IS OFFICIALLY OVER.

GOVERNOR HAS SIGNED BILLS.

GOVERNOR HAS ACTED ON THE BUDGET.

THERE'S A PERIOD OF TIME FROM WHEN THE TIME LEGISLATIVE SESSION ENDS TO WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS IN LIMBO, AND WE'RE NOT SURE HOW THINGS ARE GOING TO PAN OUT, WHETHER BILLS GET VETOED, WHETHER BILLS GET SIGNED.

SO 60 DAY LEGISLATIVE SESSION HAPPENS EVERY YEAR JANUARY, FEBRUARY, ONE YEAR, MARCH AND APRIL THE FOLLOWING YEAR.

AND IT GOES IT GOES BACK AND FORTH.

THAT IS SO DURING ELECTION YEAR, LEGISLATORS GET OUT OF SESSION A LITTLE BIT EARLIER AND CAN WORK ON THEIR REELECTION CAMPAIGNS.

THAT HAPPENED THROUGH A STATE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT A WHILE AGO.

THIS YEAR, 2000 BILLS WERE FILED.

AROUND 17% OF THOSE BILLS ACTUALLY PASSED.

FORTUNATELY OR UNFORTUNATELY, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU LOOK AT IT, OF THOSE 17% OF BILLS THAT PASSED, PROBABLY 80% OF THOSE HAD SOME IMPACT IN SOME FORM OR FASHION ON THE WAY YOU GUYS RUN THE CITY. SO IT'S A LOT TO TRY TO KEEP UP WITH IN TALLAHASSEE.

AND I WILL SAY, PALM BAY DOES A REALLY GOOD JOB OF TRYING TO BE INVOLVED TRYING TO BE INVOLVED IN AND INFLUENCING LEGISLATION.

SOME SIGNIFICANT THINGS THAT PASSED SOCIAL MEDIA LEGISLATION THAT PASSED ABOUT MINORS, ACCESS TO SOCIAL MEDIA.

YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THAT IN THE NEWS.

WE HAD SOME LEGISLATION THAT PASSED REGARDING HEALTH CARE.

LAST YEAR THE SENATE PRESIDENT PASSED LIVE LOCAL, WHICH HAD TO DO WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

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AND THIS YEAR THERE WAS A SUBSEQUENT BILL TO THAT.

I'LL GET INTO THAT IN A MOMENT.

BUT THERE'S ALSO LIVE HEALTHY THIS YEAR.

SO THAT PASSED SIGNIFICANT HEALTH CARE REFORM.

AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THE LACK OF ESTHETIC BEAUTY OF MY POWERPOINT, BUT I WAS TRYING TO GET AS MUCH ON THERE AS I COULD.

AS YOU WELL KNOW, THE STATE'S BUDGET'S OVER $100 BILLION.

THIS YEAR, THE ORIGINAL STATE BUDGET.

AND YOU'LL SEE FROM MY RED, MY RED CROSS LINE, THERE WAS $117 BILLION COMING OUT OF THE LEGISLATURE.

THE GOVERNOR VETOED SOME ITEMS, AS YOU MAY SEE, AND I'LL DISCUSS THAT IN A SECOND.

THE STATE BUDGET NOW IS DOWN TO $116.5 BILLION.

IT'S A 500 PAGE BUDGET.

FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW ONLY ACTUALLY ABOUT $50 BILLION OF THAT $117 BILLION BUDGET IS MADE UP OF TAXES AND FEES AND ACTUAL REVENUES.

THE REST OF IT IS LIKE PASS THROUGH DOLLARS FROM MEDICAID.

THINGS THAT HAVE TO DO WITH EDUCATION.

BUT IT STILL INCLUDED IN THE STATE BUDGET.

BUT THE ACTUAL STATES, WHAT THEY BRING IN AND WHAT THEY SPEND OUT OF THEIR OWN COFFERS IS AROUND $50 BILLION $410 MILLION PRE VETO TO WATER PROJECTS TO ENSURING WATER QUALITY AROUND THE STATE, WHICH IS A RECORD SPENDING AMOUNT BY THE LEGISLATURE TO TAKE CARE OF OUR STATE'S WATER.

AS I DISCUSSED, THE GOVERNOR VETOED APPROXIMATELY $1 BILLION WORTH OF PROJECTS OUT OF THE STATE BUDGET.

JUST TO GIVE GIVE YOU SOME CONTEXT.

GOVERNOR SCOTT, I THINK, VETOED 165 MILLION HIS LAST YEAR.

THE OF THE PROJECTS WE WORKED ON FOR THE CITY, AND I'LL GET TO THOSE NEXT ONE PROJECT WAS VETOED, BUT IT WAS IN A GROUP WITH ABOUT 15 OTHER EMERGENCY OPERATIONS, LAW ENFORCEMENT STYLE EOC TYPE PROJECTS.

AS I SAID, 16 PAGES OF VETOES, TWO AND A HALF PAGES OF WATER PROJECTS ALONE, WHICH IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THEN WE'LL GET TO THE CITY'S APPROPRIATIONS.

AND THEY DID RECEIVE TWO WATER PROJECTS.

SO I THINK THAT SHOWS THE VALUE IN TAKING CARE OF THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON AND THE IMPORTANCE THAT THE CITY HAS PUT INTO BAFFLE BOXES, WHICH I THINK IS A REALLY A REALLY GOOD THING THAT THE DECISION MAKERS IN TALLAHASSEE APPRECIATE.

AND JUST TO NOTE, THE GOVERNOR LIKES TO, AS WE KNOW, WELL KNOW, USE HIS VETO AUTHORITY.

HE DID VETO 14 POLICY BILLS, WHICH IS ACTUALLY QUITE A LOT.

I WAS LOOKING AT IT PREVIOUSLY AND BACK PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION THAT THE HIGHEST BILLS THAT WERE VETOED IN ONE YEAR WAS TWO.

SO, SO 14 POLICY BILLS IS QUITE A BIT.

AS I DISCUSSED PALM BAY APPROPRIATIONS, I KNOW WE WORKED ON PUTTING IN SEVERAL.

JOAN IS SHAKING HER HEAD.

IT HAS BEEN A LONG ROAD, AS IT IS EVERY YEAR.

THE CITY DID RECEIVE $750,000 FOR BAFFLE BOXES.

I THINK THAT'S AN INCREDIBLE PROJECT, AND I THINK THAT THE DECISION MAKERS IN TALLAHASSEE AGREE WITH THAT, AS WELL AS JUDGED BY THE FACT THAT THEY GET APPROVED AND DON'T GET VETOED, AND $550,000 TO TAKE CARE OF SOME THINGS THAT THE INDIAN INDIAN RIVER LAGOON AND AS I MENTIONED, THE EOC WAS VETOED.

HOWEVER, WHEN THE GOVERNOR DID HIS VETOES, HE DID A PRESS CONFERENCE WITH HIS BUDGET, WITH SIGNING THE BUDGET, AND HE TALKED ABOUT THAT SOME OF THESE NEEDS WILL STILL BE MET.

AND HE SAID THAT WE SHOULD WE THE CITY GOVERNMENT SHOULD ALWAYS LOOK AT GRANT, GRANT OPPORTUNITIES, WHICH THE STAFF DOES A GREAT JOB OF DOING THAT.

SO I'M SURE ON THIS PROJECT AS WELL AS SOME OTHER NEEDS, WE WILL INVESTIGATE GRANT OPPORTUNITIES, PRIORITIZE WHAT'S AVAILABLE AND GO AFTER THOSE.

SO I'M GOING TO GET INTO POLICY BILLS AND I'M GOING TO TRY TO GO QUICK BECAUSE I HAVE A SHORT TIME.

SO I'LL GO VERY QUICK.

AND IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION, PLEASE STOP ME.

HOUSE BILL 1365.

AS YOU MAY HAVE SEEN IN THE MEDIA, THIS IS THE PUBLIC SLEEPING AND CAMPING BILL.

LONG STORY SHORT, THE CITY CANNOT AUTHORIZE PUBLIC SLEEPING OR CAMPING WITHOUT DOING CERTAIN THINGS.

YOU HAVE TO GET THE AREA CERTIFIED.

THERE HAS TO BE CERTAIN CLEANLINESS.

CLEANLINESS? YOU HAVE TO GET A CERTIFICATION FROM DCF, HAVE BATHROOMS, ALL OF THAT GOOD STUFF IF YOU SO CHOOSE TO AUTHORIZE PUBLIC SLEEPING OR CAMPING IN A CERTAIN AREA.

ANY IMPACTED PARTY AROUND YOU HAS FIVE DAYS TO SAY OR HAS TO SAY, HEY, I DON'T LIKE THIS.

I'M GOING TO TAKE ACTION AGAINST THE CITY.

YOU HAVE FIVE DAYS TO CURE THAT SITUATION.

SENATE BILL 328, THIS IS THE FOLLOW UP ON LIVE LOCAL FROM LAST YEAR.

SO LAST YEAR, AS I MENTIONED, WE PASSED WE THE LEGISLATURE PASSED LEGISLATION TO ENCOURAGE THE CONSTRUCTION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THERE WAS A BILL THAT WAS PASSED THAT WAS FOLLOW UP ON THAT THAT PREEMPTS FLOOR AREA RATIO, AS WELL AS JUST A FEW OTHER THINGS TO PROVIDE INCENTIVES TO BUILDERS.

AND I PUT AN INTERESTING NOTE AT THE BOTTOM, THE COST OF THE STATE FISCAL IMPACT OF THAT BILL IS $100 MILLION.

EVERY YEAR THE STATE PASSES A TAX PACKAGE, AND IN THAT THEY SET THINGS LIKE BACK TO SCHOOL, TAX FREE WEEKEND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THIS YEAR, OUR TAX PACKAGE HAS SOME TAX FREE HOLIDAYS FOR POWER TOOLS.

WE HAVE TAX FREE HOLIDAYS FOR FREEDOM MONTH, WHICH WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS JULY, THE WHOLE MONTH OF JULY.

SO IF YOU WANT TO BUY A CANOE OR CONCERT TICKETS, AS LONG AS THE CONCERT HAPPENS BEFORE DECEMBER, THOSE ITEMS ARE TAX FREE RIGHT NOW.

THERE IS IN ORDER TO COMBAT SOME OF THE HIGH HOMEOWNER'S INSURANCE COSTS, THERE'S ACTUALLY A TAX REDUCTION ON HOMEOWNERS POLICIES, PREMIUM TAXES FOR A SHORT TIME.

SO THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE IS WORKING ON IMPLEMENTING THAT RIGHT NOW.

AND ON YOUR HOMEOWNERS BILLS. YOU'LL SEE A LITTLE BIT OF A BREAK TO AS THE TAX PORTION OF IT.

IN THIS BILL.

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AND I PUT THESE RIGHT AFTER EACH OTHER.

AND THIS IS IMPORTANT WITH WITH THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE TAX PACKAGE, THERE IS LANGUAGE BASED ON A STUDY THAT COMES OUT OF THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA THAT TALKS ABOUT HOW MANY UNITS ARE AVAILABLE FOR RENT AND HOW MANY RENTERS ARE IN THE AREA LOOKING FOR HOUSES THAT THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT BASED ON THAT STUDY, IF YOU QUALIFY AND I CAN WORK WITH STAFF ON THAT AFTER, AND YOU WOULD LIKE TO POTENTIALLY EXEMPT YOURSELF FROM SOME OF THE LIVE LOCAL REQUIREMENTS, YOU CAN DO IT BASED ON THAT STUDY.

AND THAT LANGUAGE IS IN THE TAX PACKAGE BUILDING PERMIT LEGISLATION TWO BILLS.

I TRIED TO PUT THEM TOGETHER ON ONE SLIDE THAT DO TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

ONE IS FOR PLANNED COMMUNITIES.

AND I KNOW STAFF AND I TALKED ABOUT THAT DURING LEGISLATIVE SESSION WHERE THAT BILL CAME FROM.

AND WHAT THAT DOES IS BASED ON PRELIMINARY PLATS, YOU HAVE TO ISSUE BUILDING PERMITS.

AND SO MANY TIMES BEFORE THE THE PLAT IS FINALIZED.

YOU ALSO HAVE TO HAVE GO AHEAD AND CREATE A LIST OF PRIVATE PROVIDERS WHO ARE AVAILABLE TO DO BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND HAVE THAT LIST READY TO GO IN THE CASE THAT THERE'S A LOT OF BUILDING HAPPENING AT ONE TIME.

THE OTHER BUILDING PERMITS, BILL.

AS YOU KNOW, BUILDING PERMITS ALREADY HAVE DAYS TIME FRAMES BY WHICH THEY HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, APPROVED OR DENIED WITH CONDITIONS.

IT JUST FURTHER SHORTENS THOSE TIMEFRAMES AND CAPS THE BUILDING PERMIT FEE REDUCTIONS AT A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE.

IF YOU TAKE TOO LONG TO GET THE BUILDING PERMIT OUT, YOU HAVE TO GIVE A FEE REDUCTION.

LAST YEAR, EVERYBODY'S FAMILIAR NOW WITH BUSINESS IMPACT STATEMENTS, AND THOSE HAVE TO BE DONE BEFORE ORDINANCE ADOPTIONS.

SPECIFICALLY, CHANGES TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WAS EXEMPTED FROM THAT THAT PASSED LAST YEAR.

THIS YEAR, THEY INCLUDED THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE BACK IN THAT LEGISLATION FROM LAST YEAR.

SO NOW WHEN YOU MAKE CHANGES TO LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, YOU'LL HAVE TO DO A BUSINESS IMPACT STATEMENT.

AND ALL OF THE CAUSE OF ACTION ITEMS FROM SB 170 FROM LAST YEAR WILL APPLY THE CHANGES IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

AND I KNOW I'M GOING FAST AND I'M SORRY.

HOUSE BILL 479 HAS TO DO WITH MOBILITY FEES.

IT DEFINES.

AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE I SAY THIS CORRECT.

IT DEFINES TWO TYPES OF IMPACT FEES.

IT DEFINES A MOBILITY FEE AND A MOBILITY PLAN WITHIN THE COMMUNITY PLANNING ACT.

AND PRETTY MUCH WHAT THIS SAYS IS IF YOU'RE ISSUING IMPACT FEES FOR A NEW DEVELOPMENT, WE'VE HAD SOME JURISDICTIONS WHERE I GUESS IT'S KIND OF BEEN CONFUSING WHO CHARGES WHAT IMPACT FEES. THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT HAS TO ENTER INTO A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WITH THE OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND MAKE SURE THERE'S A CALCULATION ON WHO CHARGES WHAT BUILDING IMPACT FEES, PRETTY MUCH WHO'S ACTUALLY ISSUING THE BUILDING PERMIT.

I FEEL VERY CONFIDENT THAT PALM BAY IS NOT PART OF THE WHERE THIS BILL CAME FROM.

HOWEVER, IT'S SOMETHING TO BE AWARE OF BASED ON NEW DEVELOPMENTS SPECIAL DISTRICTS FOR CRAS AND MANY OTHER SPECIAL DISTRICTS.

A SPECIAL DISTRICT WILL NOW HAVE TO POST ITS GOALS ONLINE AND DO A FEW OTHER THINGS ABOUT TERM LIMITS, ABOUT WHO'S ON THE SPECIAL DISTRICT OVERSIGHT BOARD VACATION VACATION RENTALS, WHICH IS BEEN A BIG ISSUE FOR A LOT OF LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.

THIS BILL WAS ACTUALLY VETOED, BUT I STILL PUT IT ON THERE IN THE FACT THAT IT WOULD HAVE ALLOWED LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO HAVE A REGISTRATION PROGRAM, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE MAY HAVE A LOT OF VACATION RENTALS, OR YOU MAY NOT, AND YOU HAVE NO WAY TO REALLY FIGURE OUT THE LIST OF WHO'S GOT WHAT WHERE.

SO THERE WAS A BILL THAT WOULD PROVIDE SOME RELIEF TO THAT, BUT IT WAS ULTIMATELY VETOED BY THE GOVERNOR.

PACE LOANS.

IF EVERYONE IS FAMILIAR WITH THE PACE LOAN FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO YOUR HOUSE, THERE'S BEEN SOME BAD ACTORS IN THOSE VENDORS THAT PROVIDE PACE LOANS.

SO THIS LEGISLATION CREATES SOME ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THOSE VENDORS.

CAN I MAY, MR. MAYOR, MAY I FINISH? AND SO NOW PACE LOANS WILL BE EXPANDED TO INCLUDE OTHER THINGS FOR LIKE WATER QUALITY ITEMS FOR YOUR HOUSE AS WELL.

PROFESSIONAL CONTINUING EDUCATION.

I KNOW THAT THIS WAS OF INTEREST.

ALL OF THE PROFESSIONS THAT ARE REGULATED BY DPR ACCOUNTANTS, WHOLE HOST OF THEM.

AND THERE'S ACTUALLY SOME THAT ARE EXEMPTED, AND I THINK ACCOUNTANTS ARE ONE OF THEM.

WHETHER DPR REGULATES THAT PROFESSION OR THERE'S A BOARD THAT'S, YOU KNOW, ADMINISTRATIVELY HOUSED WITHIN DPR FOR ANYBODY WHO HAS ONE OF THOSE LICENSES.

NOW, FOR SEVERAL OF THEM, NOT ALL OF THEM, LIKE BARBERSHOPS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

THERE'S NOW AN EXEMPTION FOR HAVING TO DO CONTINUING EDUCATION ON THOSE VARIOUS LICENSES.

AGAIN, FROM THAT WHERE IT SAYS YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO CONTINUING EDUCATION.

THERE'S A LIST OF PROFESSIONS SUCH AS ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS, THAT THEY STILL HAVE TO DO CONTINUING EDUCATION.

PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTIONS.

THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY, AS YOU GUYS KNOW, ON YOUR HOME AFTER $50,000, THAT THAT PRICE BETWEEN THAT THAT VALUE BETWEEN 50 AND 75,000 YOU'RE EXEMPT FROM PROPERTY TAXES IF YOU HAVE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, THERE'S GOING TO BE A BALLOT AMENDMENT IN NOVEMBER TO INCREASE THAT AMOUNT.

AND THEN SHOULD THAT PASS, THAT WILL ALSO ADJUST EVERY YEAR WITH A CPI INFLATIONARY MECHANISM.

SO FOR A LONG TIME IT'S BEEN CAPPED AT 50 TO 75,000.

AND SO THAT WILL NOW MOVE FORWARD IF THAT, IF THAT PASSES ON THE BALLOT IN NOVEMBER CONTINUING CONTRACTS THE CITY HAS AND THIS IS REALLY FOR, FOR GEORGE AND FOR JULIET CITY HAS A LOT OF CONTINUING CONTRACTS WITH CERTAIN PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, AND THERE'S A CAP ON HOW MUCH YOU CAN SPEND ON THOSE CONTRACTS.

THAT WAS ACTUALLY INCREASED FROM 4 MILLION TO 7.5 MILLION, WHICH WILL HELP WITH INFLATION.

AND THEN THAT WILL ACTUALLY ADJUST ANNUALLY WITH AN INFLATIONARY MECHANISM AS WELL.

I BELIEVE THIS IS MY LAST BILL.

THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION'S AGENCY PACKAGE.

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EVERY YEAR THERE'S A HOST OF ENVIRONMENTAL LEGISLATION THAT GETS THAT THE DEPARTMENT BRINGS TO THE LEGISLATURE THIS YEAR.

WHAT IT DOES IS IT ENCOURAGES RURAL ADOPTION BY THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICTS TO GET RECLAIMED WATER OUT THE DOOR.

RECLAIM WATER IS A GREAT RESOURCE FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, AND THEY WANTED LAX THE RULES TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS ARE ABLE TO USE YOUR RECLAIMED WATER EFFECTIVELY, GET IT OUT THE DOOR, AND OFFSET THE NEED FOR CLEAN, POTABLE DRINKING WATER.

ALSO, SOME CHANGES OF APPROVING NEW INNOVATIVE WASTEWATER TREATMENT SYSTEMS AND SEPTIC TANKS THAT WILL BE COMING TO DEP.

SOME BILLS THAT DIDN'T MAKE IT THAT I'D LIKE TO DRAW TO YOUR ATTENTION.

I WON'T HIT ON ALL OF THEM, BUT TWO OFF OF THIS LIST IS A MUNICIPAL UTILITY BILL, WHICH I'VE TALKED WITH STAFF MUCH DURING THE PAST TWO LEGISLATIVE SESSIONS.

THAT SUBJECT THE CITY BASED ON HOW MUCH UTILITY SERVICES THEY PROVIDE OUT OF THEIR GEOGRAPHICAL BOUNDARIES, WHICH I KNOW PALM BAY DOES A LITTLE BIT, BUT NOT A LOT.

THAT IF YOU PROVIDE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF UTILITY WATER, WASTEWATER OR ELECTRIC IF YOU HAVE IT, WHICH THE CITY DOESN'T YOU WILL BE SUBJECT TO THE PUBLIC SERVICE COMMISSION REGULATION. THAT'S A VERY IMPACTFUL BILL THAT I DO ANTICIPATE TO CONTINUE TO COME BACK.

AND THEN THE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO TOUCH ON IS THE REPEAL OF LOCAL BUSINESS TAXES.

I'M NOT SURE IF PALM BAY CHARGES A LOCAL BUSINESS TAX, BUT IF THEY DO, THERE WAS LEGISLATION THAT WAS FILED THAT DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE, THAT GOT RID OF LOCAL BUSINESS TAX REGISTRATIONS ALTOGETHER, JUST COMPLETELY TOOK IT OFF, OFF THE MAP.

SO I DO ANTICIPATE THAT BILL COMING BACK AS WELL.

BUT THAT IS IT. AND SORRY TO GO OVER TIME.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS. SO I'M SURE MY COLLEAGUES MAY HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT BEFORE WE DO, I JUST WANTED TO COMMEND YOU.

THANK YOU FOR ALWAYS BEING THERE.

NUMBER ONE IN OUR TRIPS TO TALLAHASSEE YOU SPEAK OF PROFESSIONALISM.

YOU HAVE ACCESS TO A LOT OF OUR LEGISLATORS, AND WE'RE ABLE TO GO IN, STATE OUR CASE AND MOVE FORWARD.

AND SO THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO ON BEHALF AND MR. FOSTER, OF COURSE, I APPRECIATE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR HARD WORK WITH OUR STAFF AS WELL.

COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

YES, MAYOR. I HAVE TWO THINGS I WANTED TO SPEAK ON.

WHEN IT'S COME TO ELECTRICITY, IT'S BECOME SORT OF A MONOPOLY IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT ON FPL AND WHAT'S GOING ON.

YEAH, I AS MUCH AS YOU CAN, SIR.

THE ONLY THING THAT I CAN PROVIDE YOU WITH IS YOU SAW TWO YEARS AGO, AND I ACTUALLY OF OUR CITIES, PALM BAY WAS PROBABLY MY MOST INTERESTING CLIENT IN THIS IS THERE WAS A PUSH TO CHANGE HOW ROOFTOP SOLAR WORKS IN FLORIDA.

AND THAT'S VERY PUBLIC.

WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY. YOU CAN SEE IT IN THE NEWS THAT WAS BACKED LARGELY BY INVESTOR OWNED UTILITY COMPANIES.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S OF ANY INTEREST TO, YOU KNOW, THAT HELPS BECAUSE WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS.

WE HAVE STAFF SPEAK TO US WITH BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE GETTING HIT WITH THE BILL INCREASE.

THIS IS US AS WELL.

ACTUALLY, LET ME PROVIDE. I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP.

AND I'VE SENT THIS TO TO JOAN.

THERE'S ACTUALLY A PREEMPTION NOW THAT ALL ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING REGULATION WILL BE PREEMPTED TO THE STATE.

SO IT'S KIND OF IN LINE WITH WHAT YOU BROUGHT UP FOR THE CITY TO BE ABLE TO DO THEIR OWN REGULATIONS ON ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING, WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR PALM BAY, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THAT'S INTEREST.

THE WAY THAT YOU DO THAT WILL BE PREEMPTED TO THE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE.

OKAY. THAT HELPS.

YEAH. AND THE ONLY OTHER THING I JUST WANTED EVERYBODY TO BE MINDFUL OF IS WHAT YOU MENTIONED, HJR 7017.

BECAUSE THIS TO ME, IT'S NOT A MATTER OF IF, IT'S WHEN IT'S GOING TO PASS, IT'S GOING TO PASS PEOPLE.

WHERE IN PUBLIX, WHERE EVERYWHERE PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR BREAKS, TAX BREAKS.

SO THAT'S GOING TO PASS. SO THAT'S WHERE I SEE OVER THE PAST SIX YEARS I'VE SEEN THE STATE JUST LOOK TO PASS SO MANY BILLS.

AND I'VE ALWAYS LOOKED AT IT AS A SOLUTION, LOOKING FOR A PROBLEM.

BUT THEN I LOOK AT IT BIGGER AND I REALIZE, WELL, IT'S A PROBLEM SOMEWHERE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, BUT THEY'RE MAKING IT A BLANKET FOR THE WHOLE STATE.

SO KNOWING THAT THAT'S WHERE I LOVE THAT YOU AND STAFF WORK VERY TIGHT.

BUT WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE WE STAY AHEAD AND NOT JUST ADVOCATE, BUT MAYBE MAKE SURE WE'RE AHEAD OF LEGISLATION THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, PASS DOWN OR PREEMPTION.

SO THEY'RE TRYING TO PUT ON US.

SO THAT WAY WE'RE ALREADY GOOD.

KIND OF LIKE SEPTIC TO SEWER.

THAT WAS ONE THAT THEY'RE STARTING TO COME DOWN HARDER ON CITIES.

AND BEFORE THEY TRY TO COME AT US, WE HAD TO DO SOMETHING.

SO I JUST SEE OTHER INSTANCES THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE.

SO THAT'S ALL MAYOR? YEAH. NO, COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, YOU'RE SPOT ON BECAUSE HIS 7017.

WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, LET'S FOCUS ON THE RELIEF FOR THE HOMEOWNERS INSURANCE INDUSTRY.

RIGHT. THAT THAT'S WHERE THE ACTUAL BREAK FOR OUR OUR CITIZENS WOULD BE IS IN THAT HOMEOWNERS INSURANCE.

SO YOU'RE SPOT ON WITH THAT.

QUESTIONS? DEPUTY MAYOR.

MAYOR. NO. THANK YOU.

I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTION, EXCEPT I'D JUST LIKE TO EXTEND YOU KNOW, SAME GRATITUDE TO TO YOUR ORGANIZATION.

HOW YOU GUYS REPRESENTING US SO WELL.

AND OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, YOU GUYS WORKED VERY CLOSELY TO OUR STAFF AND AND US AS WELL.

AND, AND WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE AND CERTAINLY EXTEND OUR GRATITUDE TO TO SHAWN AS WELL.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

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SAFE TRAVELS AND ENJOY YOUR STAY HERE IN PALM BAY, MADAM SHERMAN.

THANK YOU MAYOR. OUR SECOND PRESENTATION WILL BE THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEE STUDY UPDATE.

WE HAVE A GUN CAMP FROM BINNISH HERE TO PRESENT THAT FOR YOU.

OH, AS YOU WERE.

NITA, CAN YOU STAND FOR US FOR A SECOND? WE HAD A PUBLIC COMMENT CARD, SO I HAVE TO CALL THEM UP FOR NOW.

OKAY. MR. BARTON, MASTER CHIEF.

THANK YOU, MASTER CHIEF BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF ITEMS AFTER LOOKING AT THE PRESENTATION THAT GENERATED SOME QUESTIONS ON PAGE 18, WHEN IT WAS COVERING ABOUT THE SEPTIC TANK SYSTEMS, AND I CAME UP WITH TWO TWO CONCERNS THE CHANGE OF GOVERNMENT AGENCY ON SEPTIC SYSTEMS. THEY CHANGE WHICH AGENCY IS GOING TO BE IN CHARGE OF IT.

SO I SAID, WHAT IMPACT WILL THAT HAVE ON THE ON THE BUILDING SITES THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY FACING NOW? BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME HEIGHTS THAT ARE LOW SOME.

SO I'M JUST CURIOUS HOW THIS IS GOING TO IMPACT ON THAT AND IF IT WILL.

ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE NEW AERATED SYSTEMS WITH THE CHANGE OF THE GOVERNMENT IDENTITY, IF THAT'S POSSIBLY GOING TO CHANGE THE HARDSHIP THAT THE RESIDENTS ARE GETTING READY TO FACE WITH THEIR 30,000, AND THE CITY IS GOING TO HAVE TO FACE WITH THE NEW MANDATES THAT WERE COMING UP, IF IT WAS GOING TO HAVE AN IMPACT ON THAT.

AND I FIGURED THAT THIS WOULD BE THE PERSON WHO'S UP THERE TALKING TO THE PEOPLE, MIGHT KNOW FOR SURE.

THE OTHER ITEM WAS HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION OF RAISING IT FROM 50,000 TO 75,000.

WHAT WHAT THAT POTENTIALLY COULD HAVE FOR OUR TAX BASIS, WHICH IS GOING TO BE PERTINENT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE UP AND COMING BUDGET NEXT YEAR, COULD BE SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.

SO HOW ARE WE PLANNING FOR IT? THE OTHER ITEM WAS THE BUILDING PERMIT CAPABILITIES, THE CHANGING OF THAT.

IT WAS VERY SCARY WHEN I SAW THAT SOME BUILDING PERMITS WERE ONLY 30 DAYS.

YOU HAD 30 DAYS TO DO IT.

AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE FOR TWO READINGS ARE TWO READINGS AND SO FORTH IN THE PERMITTING PROCESS.

AND I SAW, WELL, IF IT LOSES 10% A DAY THAT YOU'RE LATE.

WELL, FOR US, THAT WAS DAYS BETWEEN THE NEXT MEETING.

I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF POTENTIALLY WE COULD ADDRESS THESE, BECAUSE THEY COULD ALL HAVE A FINANCIAL IMPACT ON THE CITY.

THANK YOU. BUT WE'RE TRACKING THAT, MASTER CHIEF.

YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

I FIGURED THIS PERSON WOULD BE THE PERSON THAT WOULD KNOW.

YEAH. UNFORTUNATELY, HE'S BEEN IN DEBT CONVERSATION WITH ONE OF OUR CONSTITUENTS.

MADAM SHERMAN, YOU WANT TO TAKE A SHOT AT SOME OF THESE? THE ONLY THING I CAN SAY, WHAT I SAID LAST MEETING REGARDING THE SEPTIC TO SEWER CHANGES IS THAT THAT'S STILL REALLY IN PROCESS.

THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT DEVELOP NEXT YEAR, I'M SURE.

SO WE'RE WE'RE WATCHING THAT ONE CLOSELY.

A HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION. ABSOLUTELY.

WE'RE VERY MUCH AWARE OF THAT.

YOU KNOW, IT'S WE KNOW THE LIKELIHOOD OF THAT PASSING IS PROBABLY PRETTY HIGH GIVEN, YOU KNOW, PAST EXPERIENCE.

SO WE DEFINITELY HAVE THAT ON OUR RADAR.

BUT YOU KNOW, WE'LL DEAL WITH THAT AS IT COMES.

AND YEAH.

ANY CHANGES TO THE BUILDING PERMITS.

WE WATCHED THAT CLOSELY AS WELL.

SO WE'RE ALL WE'RE PLUGGED IN ON IT.

IF YOU WANT TO HAVE MORE IN DEPTH CONVERSATION, SIR, WE'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT WITH YOU.

YEAH. THANK YOU, MASTER CHIEF.

MADAM SHERMAN. THANK YOU SIR.

SO APOLOGIES. SO IF YOU COULD COME BACK UP FOR US, I APPRECIATE IT.

THIS WILL BE YOUR TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEE STUDY UPDATE.

GOOD EVENING. I'M NICO KEMP WITH VANISH.

I HAVE A TEN MINUTE PRESENTATION THAT STARTS WITH THE BACKGROUND.

A LITTLE BIT GOES THROUGH THE TECHNICAL STUDY AND THE NEXT STEPS.

SO, AS YOU KNOW, PALM BAY IS CONTINUING TO EXPERIENCE GROWTH, WHICH IS PUTTING PRESSURE ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS YOU ADOPTED THE IMPACT FEE STUDY AND WHICH WAS LAST UPDATED IN 2012.

SO THE PURPOSE OF THIS STUDY IS TO BRING IT TO USE THE CURRENT VARIABLES AND WHICH IS ONE OF THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS AS WELL.

IN FACT, FEES BY DEFINITION ARE ONE TIME CAPITAL CHARGE TO TO NEW DEVELOPMENT.

THEY COVER THE COST OF CAPACITY PROJECTS AND THEY CANNOT BE USED FOR MAINTENANCE OR OPERATIONS OR RESURFACING.

BUT THEY DO FREE UP GENERAL GAS TAX DOLLARS AND OTHER DOLLARS FOR THOSE THEY HELP IMPLEMENT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS OR ELEMENTS.

THE PURPOSE OF IMPACT IS TO CALCULATE THE COST OF GROWTH, AND THEY ARE MOST NEEDED WHEN THERE ARE HIGH GROWTH LEVELS AND LIMITED ALTERNATIVE FUNDING.

LEGAL REQUIREMENTS IN FLORIDA FOR IMPACT FEES WERE ADDRESSED THROUGH CASE LAW UNTIL ABOUT 2006.

THAT'S WHEN WE HAD THE IMPACT ACT PASSED.

AND THEN IT HAS SEVERAL CHANGES SINCE THEN, AND SOME OF ITS KEY REQUIREMENTS ARE THAT THE FEES BE BASED ON MOST RECENT AND LOCALIZED DATA.

THERE'S A MINIMUM OF 90 DAY TIME PERIOD BEFORE THE FEES CAN BE IMPLEMENTED AFTER ADOPTION.

AND IF THERE'S ANY CHALLENGE TO THE FEE NOW, THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS HAVE THE BURDEN TO SHOW THAT THEIR FEES ARE CORRECT.

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IT USED TO BE THE OTHER WAY AROUND, AND THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER ITEMS IN 2021.

HOUSE BILL 337 PASSED AND THAT PUT LIMITS ON HOW MUCH THE PIECE CAN BE INCREASED AND HOW THOSE INCREASES CAN BE IMPLEMENTED.

SO IF THE FEE IS INCREASING UP TO 25%, IT NEEDS TO BE IMPLEMENTED IN OVER TWO YEARS.

IF IT'S BETWEEN 25 AND 50% OVER FOUR INSTALLMENTS, THE FEES CANNOT BE INCREASED MORE THAN 50% AND THEY CANNOT BE INCREASED MORE THAN ONCE EVERY FOUR YEARS.

THERE'S AN EXCEPTION CLAUSE IF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT SHOWS EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES, HOLDS TWO PUBLIC WORKSHOPS DISCUSSING THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES, AND THEN THE TWO THIRDS OF THE GOVERNING BODY VOTES FOR THEM, THEN THE INCREASE COULD BE OVER 50%.

AND THEN HOUSE BILL FOUR 479 THAT WAS DISCUSSED.

I CAN I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S AFFECTING YOU.

SO WE CAN DISCUSS DURING Q&A IF YOU NEED IF YOU'D LIKE TO.

SO THE IMPACT FEE STUDY IS USING A CONSUMPTION BASED METHODOLOGY, WHICH IS VERY COMMON THROUGHOUT FLORIDA, IS CHARGING NEW GROWTH FOR THE VALUE OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS CONSUMING.

THE BASIC IMPACT FEE FORMULA LOOKS AT COST TO ADD CAPACITY.

THAT'S THE COST OF BUILDING A ROADWAY TO THE EXTENT THAT CITY IS USING OTHER REVENUE SOURCES, LIKE THE FUEL TAX OR ANYTHING ELSE, BECAUSE A PORTION WILL COME FROM FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, IT'S SUBTRACTED SO THAT WE ARE NOT CHARGING NEW DEVELOPMENT ONCE THROUGH THE FEE AND ONCE THROUGH THE TAX, AND THAT NET COST GETS MULTIPLIED BY DEMAND, WHICH IS MEASURED IN TERMS OF TRAVEL IN THE CASE OF TRANSPORTATION.

SO I JUST WANTED TO GO THROUGH THE FORMULA REALLY QUICKLY JUST SO YOU CAN SEE HOW IT WORKS.

SO WE START BY ESTIMATING THE COST OF A BUILDING A ROADWAY.

SO ONE LANE MILE COST ABOUT 4.9 MILLION.

SO IF YOU HAVE ONE MILE OF ROAD WITH TWO LANES ABOUT 9 MILLION TO BUILD IT, THAT MILE CARRIES A CAPACITY OF 9700 CARS.

SO THE COST PER VEHICLE MILES OF CAPACITY IS ABOUT $500.

SO THAT JUST SAYS THAT EVERY TIME WE ADD A CAR TO THE ROADWAY, IT'S COSTING THE TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE $500 FOR THEM TO TRAVEL A MILE.

IT'S JUST A UNIT COST.

AVERAGE HOME GENERATES 18 VEHICLE MILES PER DAY.

SO THOSE TWO MULTIPLY GIVES US A TOTAL COST OF 9100.

WE SUBTRACT ANY OTHER REVENUE SOURCES AND THAT'S ABOUT 700.

SO NET FEE ENDS UP ABOUT 8400.

THE MAIN COMPONENT OF TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES HAVE SEVERAL VARIABLES.

IT LOOKS AT HOW MANY TRIPS ARE EACH LAND USE GENERATES, HOW LONG THOSE TRIPS ARE, AND HOW MANY OF THEM ARE NEW TRIPS BECAUSE OF THAT DEVELOPMENT.

AND THE DATA BEHIND THEM IS A COMBINATION OF FLORIDA DATA AS WELL AS NATIONAL DATA.

THIS CHART IS SHOWING THE CHANGES IN THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS FROM THE DOT FIGURES.

AND YOU CAN SEE DURING ZERO FOUR OR 5 OR 6 WE HAD THE BOOM COST INCREASE.

THEN WE HAD THE RECESSION.

THEY DECREASED. THEN AFTER THE RECESSION THEY WERE RECOVERING.

AND THEN AFTER THE PANDEMIC THAT INCREASE HEIGHTENED.

SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE ARE FACING A LITTLE BIT.

AND THIS IS JUST AGAIN SHOWING DIFFERENT CONSTRUCTION COSTS INDICES.

AGAIN THE MAIN POINT BEING INCREASES WERE RELATIVELY STABLE.

AND THEN AFTER THE PANDEMIC THAT KIND OF HEIGHTENED.

SO WHEN WE ESTIMATE THE COST COMPONENT, WE LOOKED AT ANYTHING THAT'S CITY BUILT OR HAS PLANS AND ESTIMATES AND THEN SUPPLEMENTED THAT DATA WITH DATA FROM OTHER JURISDICTIONS FOR SIMILAR PROJECTS.

SO THE CONSTRUCTION COST WAS ESTIMATED ABOUT 3.1 MILLION PER LANE MILE.

SAME TYPE OF PROCESS WAS APPLIED TO STATE ROADS, AND IN THAT CASE, THE COST WAS ABOUT 4.2 MILLION PER LANE MILE.

WE LOOKED AT WHETHER THE PROJECTS ARE CURB AND GUTTER, OPEN DRAINAGE AS WELL AS COMBINATION OF CITY VERSUS STATE ROADS.

AND BASICALLY LOOKING AT THE LONG RANGE TRANSPORTATION PLAN.

MILES, WE COMBINE THE CITY COST AND THE STATE COST, WHICH WAS ABOUT 5050 ALMOST TO, AND THEN ADDING ALL THE OTHER COMPONENTS LIKE THE RIGHT OF WAY DESIGN AND SO ON, CAME UP WITH THE TOTAL COST OF 4.9 MILLION PER LANE MILE.

AND THEN AGAIN, FROM THE LONG RANGE TRANSPORTATION PLAN, WE HAVE DATA ON HOW MUCH CAPACITY THESE PROJECTS GENERATE.

SO THEN THE COST PER CAPACITY WAS ABOUT $500.

ON THE CREDIT SIDE, WE LOOK AT ALL THE REVENUE SOURCES AVAILABLE FOR CAPACITY PROJECTS.

SO THERE IS ABOUT 35 MILLION A YEAR BEING CONTRIBUTED FROM DIFFERENT SOURCES, AND THE LARGEST PORTION IS FROM THE STATE REVENUES.

AND THEN THE COUNTY AND THE CITY IS MORE LIMITED.

ONE THING WE'D LIKE TO MENTION IS THAT WHEN WE COME TO TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES, PEOPLE ASK, WELL, WE HAVE A DEDICATED REVENUE SOURCE AND FUEL TAXES.

WHY ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT FUNDING? AS YOU KNOW, FUEL TAXES ARE ON A PER GALLON BASIS, AND THE STATE PENNIES ARE ALLOWED TO BE INDEXED, BUT LOCAL PENNIES ARE NOT.

SO BETWEEN INABILITY TO INDEX AND THE FUEL EFFICIENCY, A PENNY IN MID-NINETIES IS WORTH HALF OF ITS VALUE.

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SO BASICALLY, IN THE CASE OF TRANSPORTATION, YOU HAVE A SITUATION WHERE AS YOUR COSTS ARE INCREASING YOUR REVENUE, DEDICATED REVENUE SOURCE IS LOSING GROUND.

AND THAT GAP FUNDING GAP IS GROWING OVER TIME.

SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT HOW TO FUND TRANSPORTATION.

SO THEN THE FINAL FEE ENDS UP BEING THIS IS THIS SLIDE IS SHOWING SEVERAL EXAMPLES LAND USE CATEGORIES.

SO FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOME IS ABOUT 8400.

CURRENT FEE IS ABOUT 43.

SO THAT'S AN INCREASE OVER 50%.

SO IT WOULD GET CAPPED AT ABOUT 6500 WITH THE NEW STATE REQUIREMENTS.

AND YOU CAN SEE EXAMPLE LAND USES ON THIS SLIDE THAT IN ADDITION, THAT INCREASE FROM 44 TO 65 WOULD BE PHASED OVER FOUR YEARS.

SO THE YEAR ONE WOULD BE ABOUT 48 YEAR TWO, YEAR THREE, YEAR FOUR REACHING THE 65.

SO IT WOULDN'T BE IMMEDIATELY THIS SLIDE.

THE NEXT SLIDE IS SHOWING SOME COMPARISONS.

AND IN THESE CASES WE WANTED TO SHOW THE STUDY DATE OF EACH JURISDICTION.

JUST SO YOU KNOW HOW OLD THEIR DATA IS.

ADOPTION PERCENTAGE.

THAT'S A POLICY DECISION THAT YOU CAN ALWAYS ADOPT LESS THAN 100%.

AND THEN ALSO WHETHER THERE ARE FEES, INCLUDING ENTIRE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK OR THEY ARE ONLY COLLECTING FOR A CITY ROADS OR COUNTY ROADS, THAT KIND OF EXPLAINS IT.

SO THIS GROUP IS RANGING ANYWHERE FROM 900 TO I THINK I CAN BARELY READ THEM MYSELF.

SORRY, IT'S ABOUT 4000.

AND THEN THIS GROUP GOES ALL THE WAY TO ABOUT 12,000 OR SO.

SORRY, THIS ONE DEPENDING ON THE JURISDICTION.

IN TERMS OF REVENUES, WE LOOKED AT YOUR RECENT PERMITTING AND SORT OF A RANGE.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU CONTINUE WITH THE MORE RECENT LEVELS OR IT'S MORE OR MAYBE MORE MODERATED.

SO WE ESTIMATED WITH THIS FOUR YEAR PHASING THAT THE CITY IS LIKELY TO GENERATE ABOUT 7.4 TO 12 MILLION A YEAR FOR FROM THE FEE. AND SO TODAY, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

AND THEN I THINK STAFF IS LOOKING FOR YOUR DIRECTION AND THEN GO THROUGH THE IMPLEMENTATION PROCESS.

WELL THANK YOU MA'AM. THANK YOU FOR THE STUDY.

COUNCILMAN. JOHNSON I'LL START WITH YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS? WELL, MAYOR, I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THIS UP.

WHEN YOU DID A YEAR AGO.

TWO YEARS AGO. TWO YEARS AGO.

YEARS AGO. YEAH. BECAUSE WE'RE WE'RE PRETTY CONSISTENT WHEN IT COMES TO THE COMMERCIAL SIDE OF THINGS.

THOSE NUMBERS ARE PRETTY CONSISTENT.

BUT ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, THAT'S JUST WE'RE 50% OFF THE MARK.

SO I'M THINKING BACK FROM JUST FROM WHEN I GOT ON COUNCIL THE PAST SIX YEARS OF ALL THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDING THAT'S OCCURRED, OR MULTIFAMILY BUILDING THAT'S OCCURRED ON THE IMPACT FEES THAT WE MISSED OUT ON.

BUT WE WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, DWELL ON THE PAST, BUT WE CAN LEARN FROM IT.

SO HERE WE ARE TODAY AND WE'VE STILL GOT A LOT OF CITY LEFT.

SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DO THIS.

SO, MAYOR, I'M READY TO I'M READY TO GET THIS GOING LIKE YESTERDAY.

SO I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION MA'AM.

I APPRECIATE STAFF, EVERYBODY WHO CONTRIBUTED TO THIS.

BUT LET'S LET'S GET THIS THING GOING.

THANK YOU. MA'AM. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS DEPUTY MAYOR FROM.

NO, NO, NO, I HAVE NO QUESTION.

WELL, THANK YOU, MA'AM. REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR HARD WORK IN THIS.

YOU BROKE IT DOWN IN LAYMAN'S TERMS, AND AND IT WAS A SENSE AS, AS COUNCILMAN JOHNSON RECALLS.

SO WE I THINK WE'RE READY TO GIVE STAFF DIRECTION.

OKAY. AND AND SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, THANK YOU, MA'AM.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, DEPUTY OR COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, I'M, I'M I'M IN FULL AGREEMENT OF ITS MAXIMUM CAPACITY.

RIGHT. I THINK YOU NAILED IT WHEN YOU SAID WE'RE SO FAR BEHIND THAT THIS IS AN.

A HUGE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO RIGHT WHAT WAS WRONG IN ALL THESE YEARS.

SO MY, MY, I WOULD I WOULD WANT SUPPORT TO GO THE DISTANCE.

AND THEN I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM DEPUTY MAYOR WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE.

SIR, THIS ISN'T ABOUT EITHER ONE OF US.

IT'S ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO FOR FOR OUR RESIDENTS AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW.

MAYOR, I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE NEED AND SEE WHAT'S AT STAKE HERE.

MY CONCERN A BIT IS PALM BAY IS IS CONSIDERED TO BE ONE OF THE THE MOST AFFORDABLE CITY, NOT JUST IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE TAKE CREDIT FOR, RIGHT? WE SIT HERE AND TAKE CREDIT FOR THAT.

AND THAT'S A GREAT THING.

THAT'S A POSITIVE THING.

I MEAN, AS MUCH AS I'VE SEEN THE NEED TO INCREASE THIS THE, YOU KNOW, TRANSPORTATION, TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEE I'M ALSO CONSCIOUS OF BY DOING SO, THIS COST WILL BE PASSED ON TO THE END USERS.

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THIS COST WILL ALWAYS BE PASSED ON TO THE END USERS, THE DEVELOPERS AND THE.

AND THE INVESTORS.

ONCE THEY INCUR THAT EXTRA COST, SOMEBODY WILL PAY FOR IT.

MOST LIKELY IT'S NOT THEM.

SO. I MEAN, I SEE THE NEED, BUT ALSO I WANT TO WANT US TO BE CONSCIOUS OF THE FACT THAT THAT'S PUSHING OUR PRICE OF HOUSING MUCH HIGHER.

THE MORE WE ADD TO THE TO THE FEES.

BUT IS IT NEEDED? YES I DO.

I'M IN AGREEMENT THERE.

BUT ALWAYS CONSCIOUS OF OF YOU KNOW, THE END USERS WILL ALWAYS HAVE TO PAY THE THE PRICE IS IS FUTURE BUYERS IN THE CITY.

I'LL LEAVE MY COMMENTS THERE.

WELL, I APPRECIATE YOUR PERSPECTIVE.

MY PERSPECTIVE IS MORE ON.

WE'VE GOT A LOT OF GROUND TO MAKE UP, AND THAT'S WHY I THINK THE IMPACT FEES ARE, ARE A WAY TO TO REALLY ENHANCE OUR CITY.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT BY DEFINITION, THERE'S AN IMPACT WHEN WE'RE DEVELOPING.

SO I'M, I'M FULLY ENGAGED.

I HAVE A BIG THUMBS UP.

DO I HAVE THAT TYPE OF SUPPORT, COUNCILMAN JOHNSON? YES. YES, MAYOR. THE ONLY THING I WAS GOING TO ADD IS IT'S GOING TO BE PASSED ON THE TAXPAYER.

THAT'S WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO.

SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE WHOLE 150 MILLION ROAD BOND BECAUSE OF THINGS LIKE THIS.

AND THINGS ADD UP.

SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST TRYING TO WRITE SOMETHING.

SO WHEN FUTURE RESIDENTS COME, IT'S NOT PUT ON THE PREVIOUS RESIDENTS.

SO THAT'S THAT'S WHY I FELT THIS WAS A GIVEN.

AND IF IT SLOWS DOWN GROWTH, SO BE IT.

YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S THAT'S ALL.

MAYOR. THANK YOU.

SO WE THE DIRECTION RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE TWO THIRDS OF THE COUNCIL.

DEPUTY MAYOR AGREES.

HE'S JUST NOT COMFORTABLE WITH WHERE WE'RE GOING TO SET IT.

IF I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY, I DON'T WANT TO SAY.

MAYOR, ONE THING. I ALSO WANT TO US TO BE, IN COMPARISON TO CITIES, SAME SIZE.

WHERE ARE WE STAND? I'M SORRY. I SHOULD HAVE ASKED THAT BEFORE, BUT WE HAD SO WE HAVE. SO YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE CITIES.

NEARBY CITIES.

CITIES OF SIMILAR SIZE.

BUT OTHER THINGS THAT AFFECT AGAIN IS THE SCOPE OF THE FEE.

FOR EXAMPLE, SOME OF THIS, IN THE CASE OF SOME OF THE CITIES COUNTIES ARE ALREADY COLLECTING IN THE CITY, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT SITUATION.

SO THEY ARE COLLECTING FOR THE COUNTY AND STATE ROADS.

SO THE CITY ITSELF IS ONLY COLLECTING FOR CITY ROADS HERE YOU HAVE IT SEPARATE, SO YOU ARE ABLE TO COLLECT FOR ALL ROADS THAT YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO SET THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, YOU KNOW, CONTRIBUTE TO PROJECT DECISIONS AND SO ON.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING TO KEEP IN MIND IN TERMS OF THE DIFFERENCES.

SO YOURS IS IN TERMS OF THE FEE AND ABILITY TO CHARGE ALL MORE COMPARABLE TO A COUNTY LEVEL FEE SUCH AS.

YOU KNOW, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE SOME OF THE LIKE EVOLUTION.

COUNTY EVOLUTION AND THEN A FEW MORE HERE AGAIN.

SO IF WE IF WE LOOKED AT PORT SAINT LUCIE, FOR EXAMPLE.

RIGHT. LET'S USE PORT SAINT LUCIE IN TERMS OF SIZE AND LAND MASS AND SO ON.

THIS IS MORE I KNOW THEIR POPULATIONS.

IT'S A BIT HIGHER THAN WE ARE.

SO ALL WHAT WE PROPOSING TONIGHT IS MORE THAN DOUBLED.

LET'S SAY IF WE PICKED A SINGLE FAMILY ABOUT 2000 SQUARE FOOT.

RIGHT? YEAH. I DON'T THINK THAT'S A FAIR COMPARISON BECAUSE PORT SAINT LUCIE DOESN'T HAVE THE LIMITATIONS THAT WE HAVE.

THE CHALLENGE THEY WERE NOT TOO FAR.

THEY WERE AT THE SAME PLACE.

WHAT? I'M WHY IS IT NOT A FAIR COMPARISON IN TERMS OF.

I DON'T SEE WHY IT'S NOT IN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME SERVICE.

I WOULDN'T SAY IT'S NOT A FAIR COMPARISON WE'RE LOOKING AT.

I THINK IT'S A GOOD COMPARISON.

APPLE TO APPLE PROVIDING THE SAME SERVICE A ROADWAYS THAT EVERYBODY TRAVELS ON.

WHAT I'M SAYING IS IS IS THE THE GAP.

IT'S MORE THAN DOUBLED THAN WHAT CITY OF PORT SAINT LUCIE IS CHARGING COLLECTING ONLY FOR THE CITY ROADS.

SO THE TRAVEL ON CITY ROADS TENDS TO BE ABOUT 1,520% OF THE TOTAL TRAVEL.

SAINT LUCIE COUNTY IS ALSO COLLECTING IN THE CITY OF PORT SAINT LUCIE, SO WE WOULD NEED TO ADD THEM UP FOR YOU TO GET A BETTER COMPARISON. BUT ALSO THERE'S, YOU KNOW, ALWAYS THE POLICY DECISIONS ABOUT NOT CHARGING TO, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE DIFFERENT PHILOSOPHIES ON THAT, JUST LIKE YOU

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ARE DISCUSSING, YOU KNOW, WHETHER HOW MUCH GROWTH SHOULD CONTRIBUTE, HOW MUCH LOCAL RESIDENTS SHOULD SUBSIDIZE, OR WHETHER DO WE LET THE LEVEL OF SERVICE KIND OF GO DOWN.

SO THOSE ARE THE OPTIONS.

BUT THEY ALL GET INTO THE INTO THE DECISION OF THE FINAL FEE SO THAT IT MAKES IT HARDER TO COMPARE.

I JUST THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY LOOK AT PHASING THIS OUT, NOT JUST I BELIEVE.

IS IT A PHASE OUT PROCESS? RIGHT. IS THAT CORRECT? IT'S IT'S FOUR YEARS, OKAY.

FOUR YEARS IN THE PHASE.

YOU YOU ARE NOT NOW UNDER THE CURRENT LAW, YOU ARE NOT NECESSARILY GETTING TO THAT 8000 ANYWAY.

THE HIGHEST YOU ARE ABLE TO GET GET REACHED IS 6500 WITHOUT DOING EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES.

AND THAT 6500 IS AFTER FOUR YEARS.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE ABLE TO READ THOSE NUMBERS.

I'M HAVING A HARD TIME. BUT LIKE THE YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING FROM 45 TO 48, 48, 54, 59 AND THEN 65.

SO IT IS PHASED IN.

DEPUTY MAYOR. THANK YOU.

AGAIN, APPRECIATE YOUR I'M I'M I'M A THUMBS UP TO IMPLEMENT THIS MA'AM.

AND WE DO HAVE TO DISCUSS THE OTHER IMPACT FEES THAT WE FROM THE OTHER PRESENTATION AS WELL.

SO, WHAT DO YOU NEED ANY DIRECTION FROM US OTHER THAN US? WELL, GIVING YOU CONSENSUS OR IF YOU'RE CLEAR THAT YOU IF YOU'RE ALL GIVING ME DIRECTION.

NOW FOR THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES, YOU DO A FOUR YEAR IMPLEMENTATION.

WE'LL GO AHEAD AND WORK ON THAT.

AND WE CAN ADOPT THAT IF YOU'D LIKE, AS PART OF THE OCTOBER 1ST NEW FEES FOR THE NEW FISCAL YEAR, UNLESS YOU WANTED TO DO IT SOONER, THAT WOULD BE ALSO YOUR DIRECTION.

WOULD YOU LIKE THE NEXT MEETING FOR ME TO BRING BACK THE PARKS POLICE AND FIRE IMPACT FEES? IF YOU'RE READY TO DISCUSS THAT? BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE THE OTHER COMPONENT TO TO BRING BACK THAT FOR THAT DECISION.

YEAH. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

OKAY. YES, SIR. YES, MA'AM.

OKAY. SO AND IMPLEMENTATION OCTOBER 1ST OR SOONER.

DO YOU WANT IT SOONER OR DO YOU WANT.

WHAT DID YOU SAY I I'M, I'M MORE LIKE LET'S WE'RE WE'RE TEN YEARS BEHIND THE TIMES.

THAT IS WHAT THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT IT.

THE WAY. YEAH. IF STAFF CAN DO IT, THE SOONER THE BETTER IS WHERE I'M AT.

WE'LL START THE PROCESS.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU MA'AM.

SO THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION.

DEPUTY MAYOR, YOU HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS, CORRECT? MR. BATTEN.

THIS WAS NOT UNDER PUBLIC COMMENTS.

THIS WAS UNDER A PULLED CARD FOR PRESENTATION.

OKAY. BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

AFTER LOOKING THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION, IT GENERATED A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP.

THE FIRST ONE, HOW WILL YOU CALCULATE THE CHANGE WITH THE ELECTRICAL ELECTRIC VEHICLES ON THE HIGHWAY SINCE YOU'RE CHARGING THE PENNY TAX.

SO RIGHT THERE NOT GOING TO BE PAYING.

SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE RIDING ON THE ROAD.

WE'RE PAYING FOR THE IMPACT FEES BUT THEY'RE NOT HAVING TO PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE.

THE CAYCE THIS REPRESENTS A BENEFIT WITHOUT TAXATION.

THAT'S 100% WHAT THAT IS.

REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION EQUALS PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT.

SIMPLE POINT. YOU'RE AVOIDING WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.

ITEM NUMBER TWO.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE RATIONALE OF WHY A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENT PAYS MORE THAN A MULTI-FAMILY MULTIFAMILY RESIDENT, YET THEY ALL DRIVE ON THE SAME ROAD.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT NUMBER OF CARS IN A HOUSEHOLD, THE NUMBER OF TRANSPORTATION.

BUT YOU'RE SAYING, WELL, THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENT, WHICH IS THE MOST EXPENSIVE PURCHASE THING'S GOING TO HAVE A FAMILY, IS GOING TO HAVE PAYS MORE THAN THE SINGLE THAN A MULTIFAMILY RESIDENT IS GOING TO HAVE TO PAY JUST RIGHT.

THE OTHER GOOD THING I COULD SEE ABOUT THIS WAS IF YOU DID END UP ASKING FOR A FOR MORE IMPACT FEE, THEN IT'S GOING TO TRANSPORTATION FEE.

IT'S GOING TO SLOW DOWN THE GROWTH IN THE CITY BECAUSE PEOPLE WON'T SAY, OH, LET'S GO HERE AND BUILD MORE IN PALM BAY BEFORE THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE CAN HANDLE IT.

IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO SLOW DOWN THE GROWTH MECHANISM IF YOU DO RAISE THE FUNDING.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

IF YOU'D LIKE OUR CONSULTANT TO ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS.

THE QUESTION ABOUT THE SINGLE FAMILY, WHY BEING CHARGED VERSUS MULTIFAMILY.

WE HAVE DATA MEASURING HOW MANY TRIPS BASICALLY COMING TO EACH SINGLE FAMILY HOME OR MULTIFAMILY HOME.

AND THOSE ARE SUGGESTING THAT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON AVERAGE HAVE MORE, MORE TRIPS PER DAY.

AND IT COULD BE BECAUSE THEY ARE BIGGER, THEY TEND TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE PER UNIT.

THEY MAY HAVE MORE CARS.

SO ON AVERAGE, SINGLE, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF DATA ON THE RESIDENTIAL THAT'S SHOWING THAT CONSISTENTLY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES GENERATE MORE TRIPS PER UNIT.

AND SAME THING WITH AND AGAIN, THE OTHER THING TO REMEMBER, SOMETIMES THERE'S A CONFUSION.

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THESE ARE PER UNITS.

SO IF YOU HAVE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX WITH 50 UNITS IT'S 50 TIMES THE FEE, NOT JUST THE WHOLE BUILDING.

SO OKAY THANK YOU MA'AM.

NOW PUBLIC COMMENTS.

[PUBLIC COMMENTS/RESPONSES:]

AND I THINK MR. BATTEN STILL HAS A PUBLIC COMMENT.

IS THAT CORRECT OR WE.

OH, CARRIE.

ON. MISS BARB BARRETT.

BARB. BEN.

BENOIT. BENOIT.

BENOIT. THANK YOU FOR COMING, MA'AM.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW I'D BE SPEAKING TONIGHT, BUT I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE PICKLEBALL COMMUNITY.

THERE'S QUITE A FEW OF US HERE.

JUST WANTED TO PUT IN MY COMMENTS THAT IT IS THE FASTEST GROWING SPORT IN AMERICA.

I MEAN, IT IS EXPLODING AND SOME OF THE A LOT OF THE OTHER CITIES ARE GETTING ON BOARD WITH IT AND PUTTING IN PICKLEBALL COURTS, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING, IS CONSIDERATION FOR COURTS.

SOME WERE PUT IN IN WEST MELBOURNE AND THEY'RE FULL ALL THE TIME.

AND I GUARANTEE YOU IF YOU PUT THEM IN, THEY WILL BE FULL.

AND THE BEAUTY OF PICKLEBALL IS THAT PEOPLE OF ALL AGES CAN PLAY.

AND THEY ARE. I'VE GOT GRANDKIDS IN COLLEGE THAT LOVE IT AND PLAY ALL THE TIME.

MY SON IN LAW, YOU KNOW, MIDDLE AGED, HE PLAYS SIX DAYS A WEEK.

I MEAN, IT'S JUST IT'S SUCH A GREAT SPORT.

AND THEN THE SENIOR COMMUNITY, IT'S FANTASTIC FOR THEM.

I MEAN, WE'RE WE'RE OUTSIDE IN THE SUN GETTING EXERCISE AND THERE'S A HUGE SOCIAL ASPECT WITH IT.

AND IT WOULD JUST BE REALLY GOOD FOR THE CITIZENS OF THE, OF THE CITY.

AND LET ME JUST GIVE YOU ONE EXAMPLE.

I WAS OUT PLAYING AND YOU MEET A LOT OF PEOPLE WHEN YOU'RE PLAYING BECAUSE YOU PLAY WITH DIFFERENT PEOPLE.

AND I MET A LADY WHO'S A SENIOR AND AFTER RETIRING, SHE WAS JUST DEPRESSED.

SHE DIDN'T GET OUT.

THERE WASN'T A LOT TO DO.

SHE WAS BORED. SHE WASN'T GETTING OUT MUCH.

SHE STARTED PLAYING PICKLEBALL AND SHE'S HAPPY SHE'S OUTSIDE.

SHE'S MEETING ALL KINDS OF NEW PEOPLE NOW.

GETTING EXERCISE IN HER WHOLE LIFE HAS CHANGED.

SO, ANYWAY I JUST WANT TO PUT MY, YOU KNOW, REQUEST THAT WE NEED PICKLEBALL COURTS WHEN I DRIVE BY THE TENNIS COURTS. AND THERE'S THERE I RARELY SEE PEOPLE IN THEM.

BUT I GUARANTEE YOU, IF YOU PUT PICKLEBALL COURTS IN, THEY'LL BE FULL.

THANK YOU. I BELIEVE WE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PICKLEBALL PRESENTATION UNDER REPORTS COMMITTEE AND COUNCIL REPORTS.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR.

THE THOMAS GAME FOR RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD IS COMING TO DO A PRESENTATION TO REFLECT.

I THINK SOME OF THESE FOLKS MAY HAVE COME TO THE, THE MAY OR OR APRIL RECENT RAB MEETINGS.

SO THE RESULTS OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE COMING FORWARD TONIGHT FOR YOU A LITTLE BIT LATER, I BELIEVE.

OKAY. SO YOU WE'LL HAVE A PRESENTATION ON THAT AS WELL.

NEXT SPEAKER, MISS OPRAH.

EXCUSE MY VOICE.

PAT OUT BEFORE TEN GEORGE'S AVENUE.

I GUESS I'M THE INSTIGATOR ON THIS.

SORRY, BUT I REMEMBER I DID WORK FOR THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT, AND I WOULD SAY THAT WE'VE HAD A LOT OF ACTIVITIES IN THE 80S AND EARLY 90S, AND IT SEEMS LIKE ADULTS HAVE A HARD TIME FINDING THINGS TO DO IN THE CITY.

SO WE LOST BOWLING CENTER, WE LOST THE MINIATURE GOLF.

WE LOST THE SKATING RINK.

WE LOST THE MOVIE THEATER.

WE LOST. SO ANYWAY, I WOULD SAY THAT I WANT TO THANK THE RECREATION BOARD FOR FOR SUGGESTING THEY HAD SIX PICKLEBALL COURTS SET OR EIGHT AT VETERANS, EIGHT AT FRED LEE, EIGHT AT LYNBROOK, 16 AT FRED POPPY.

SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TOURNAMENTS, MONEY COMING IN.

BUT AS BARB SAID, IT'S A VERY UP AND COMING.

ACTUALLY, IT'S BEEN AROUND SINCE 1965, BUT A LOT MORE PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO PLAY.

IT'S A SIMPLE SPORT.

IT'S A FUN SPORT.

SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO REALLY GET BEHIND THIS SO THAT IT'LL INCREASE.

YOU SAID PEOPLE LIVE AND PLAY IN PALM BAY.

WE WANT TO PLAY IN PALM BAY.

WE DON'T WANT TO GO TO MELBOURNE OR WEST MELBOURNE.

NEXT SPEAKER, MR. CHARLES SOTO. EVENING

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COUNCIL. CHARLES OTTO, 2048 LYNBROOK DRIVE, PALM BAY.

I'VE BEEN PART OF THE RED SHIRT COMMUNITY HERE FOR TWO YEARS NOW, AND I LIVE ON THE GOLF COURSE, AND I JUST GOT A QUESTION.

AND MAYBE MADAM ATTORNEY OVER THERE.

CAN YOU HELP ME OUT WITH IT.

IF YOU LOOK UNDER IMPROVED AND UNIMPROVED PROPERTY, IT SAYS IN BLACK AND WHITE AT ANY PROPERTY HAS ELECTRICAL, SEWER OR POWER LINE WATER EGRESS OR FOR DRAINAGE TO COMMUNITIES IS IMPROVED PROPERTY.

MY QUESTION IS, HOW DID YOU ALL END UP GETTING THIS THING SQUASHED? AND SHE GETS A CHANCE NOT TO MOW? BECAUSE NOW THE BRAMBLE, THOSE BUSHES ARE SIX AND EIGHT FEET TALL OUT THERE.

WE JUST FOUND FOUR COPPERHEAD SNAKES IN OUR POOL.

OKAY, NOW, MY WIFE COULD HAVE GONE IN THAT POOL AT NIGHT.

SHE'D BE DEAD. YOU GOT TO DO SOMETHING WITH THAT GOLF COURSE.

I DON'T CARE IF YOU TURN IT INTO A PARKING LOT, BUT IT'S GOT TO BE MANAGED.

AND IF SHE'S GOING TO GET LOOPHOLES THROUGH HER ATTORNEY, I'M WONDERING WHY WE'RE NOT DOING THE SAME THING IT SAYS IN BLACK AND WHITE.

AND PROVE PROPERTY HAS TO BE THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA.

UNIMPROVED. YOU CANNOT HAVE POWER.

SHE'S GOT ELECTRICAL IN HER THERE.

SHE'S GOT WATER UNDER THERE.

SHE'S GOT SEWER LINES UNDER THERE.

COME ON. WHY AREN'T WE ALL OVER THIS OR WHY AREN'T YOU OVER IT? THAT'S MY POINT.

BECAUSE I GET MIXED REVIEWS.

I CALLED MADAME SHERMAN THREE TIMES, GOT PUT WITH HER ASSISTANT, AND I NEVER GOT A PHONE CALL BACK ON IT.

SO I'M COMING HERE TO ASK YOU PERSONALLY.

LOOK INTO IT, FIND THE CRACK AND MOVE IN.

AND ANOTHER THING IS THIS THIS MOWING THING.

TWO AND A HALF YEARS NOW, SHE'S MOWED TWICE IN MY BACK YARD.

TWICE IN TWO AND A HALF YEARS.

I MOW IT BECAUSE IF I DIDN'T, I LOSE HALF OF THE LAKE WOULD BE UP ON MY DOORSTEP.

TWO TIMES SHE'S MOWED AND TWO AND A HALF YEARS.

I THOUGHT THEY HAD TO DO THAT WHEN THE GRASS NEEDED THEM MOWED TWO AND A HALF YEARS.

IF YOU LET YOUR YARD GO FOR TWO AND A HALF YEARS, YOU'D BE IN TROUBLE, WOULDN'T YOU? SO I THINK I THINK THEY'RE GETTING A SLIDE ON THIS THING I DON'T ANTICIPATE SEEING THIS THING BEING A GOLF COURSE.

I GAVE THAT THING UP A JURASSIC PARK.

OKAY, NOW WE GOT ANIMALS OUT THERE, AND THERE IS SOME.

YOU DON'T LIVE ON THAT COURSE.

YOU GOT TO STAY HERE ABOUT 2:00 IN THE MORNING.

IT LOOKS LIKE ANIMAL FARM.

THERE IS SOME STUFF OUT THERE.

AND THEY'RE NOT PEOPLE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM ATTORNEY.

YES, SIR.

IN SECTION 93.02 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, WE DEFINE WHAT IMPROVED REAL PROPERTY IS.

AND THE DEFINITION IS ANY LOT, TRACK OR PARCEL OF LAND UPON WHICH A STRUCTURE OF ANY KIND OR TYPE HAS EITHER IN PLACE OR CONSTRUCTED.

SO OUR DEFINITION GOES BY WHETHER THERE'S A STRUCTURE.

AND AS I KNOW IT CAME UP SOME TIME AGO, AT LEAST IN ONE OF THE MEETINGS, IS THAT THERE WAS ONE PARCEL THAT WE CALLED THE MAJORS SUBSEQUENT TO US REVISING THIS ORDINANCE, SHE HAS DIVIDED THE PROPERTY.

SO THERE'S ONE LOT THAT ACTUALLY HAS ALL THE STRUCTURES, AND THERE IS ANOTHER LOT THAT HAS NO STRUCTURE.

SO SHE HAS AN IMPROVED PROPERTY AND SHE HAS A VACANT PROPERTY.

SO, MADAME SHERMAN, DID YOU I KNOW THAT YOU'RE WORKING.

AND THE GENTLEMAN DID SPEAK ON LACK OF A RETURN CALL.

WOULD YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT? AND WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON.

WHAT OPTIONS? BECAUSE I KNOW COUNCIL GAVE YOU DIRECTION IN THE PAST.

I'M GOING TO LOOK AND SEE.

I CHECKED MY EMAILS.

I DON'T HAVE ANY RECORD OF HIM CALLING OR THAT MESSAGE BEING RELAYED TO ME, SO I APOLOGIZE, SIR.

THAT DIDN'T GET TO ME, BUT I'LL CIRCLE BACK WITH THE TEAM ON IT.

YEAH. IN FACT THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING RIGHT NOW THE RESULTS OF OUR INTERNAL REVIEW.

I'VE COMPLETED THAT. SO WE RECEIVED THE APPRAISAL AND SOME OF THOSE OTHER DOCUMENTS WE TALKED PREVIOUSLY WITH YOU ALL ABOUT.

SO THAT INFORMATION IS GETTING READY TO BE PACKAGED AND SENT TO YOU ALL.

ADDITIONALLY, WE ARE AWARE THAT THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY HAS SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION ONCE AGAIN.

I DO NOT KNOW THAT THAT APPLICATION IS COMPLETE LAST I HEARD.

SO THERE'S STILL APPARENTLY SUBMITTING DIFFERENT PARTS OF IT.

SO IT'S NOT MOVING FORWARD YET INTO THE PLANNING AND ZONING OR COUNCIL PROCESS.

BUT IT DEFINITELY HAS BEEN FILED WITHIN THE PAST WEEK OR TWO.

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ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

SO THAT THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATE.

NEXT SPEAKER, MR..

GARY.

GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL.

ALFRED GARY FROM 1680 MAIN STREET ARTIST PALM BAY.

I GOT A FEW THINGS HERE.

FIRST, I JUST WANT TO REMIND OUR COUNCIL THAT WE HAVE A CHARTER.

AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE US FOLLOW THE RULES AND THE LAWS OF THE CHARTER BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THEY SPEND TIME COMMITTEE AND PUT THAT TOGETHER.

AND THEN BASICALLY TALKING ABOUT THAT SEED NUMBER THREE TO BE REPLACED.

I THINK WE SHOULD FOLLOW THE CHARTER AND, AND PROCEED ON THAT LEVEL.

THE SECOND THING IS THE SECOND THING IS I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IS THE PROBLEM, WHY? WE HAVE OUR UTILITY PROJECT BEHIND, LIKE, A YEAR AND A HALF OR TWO YEARS.

THAT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I WOULD LIKE.

MAYBE I NEED TO GO TO THE DEPARTMENT AND GET SOME RESEARCH ON IT, BUT I THINK IT'S IT'S A IT'S A CONCERN OF MINE.

THE SECOND, THE THIRD THING IS OUR SEWER CONNECTION.

FROM THE SEPTIC TO SEWER.

I THINK IT'S A VERY BIG CONCERN TO ME IN OUR CITY.

THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY FOR THE CITIZEN TO COME UP WITH.

I WOULDN'T MIND IF, YOU KNOW, OUR COUNCIL OR, YOU KNOW, OR CITY MANAGER COULD LET US HAVE AN IDEA IF ANY PLANS ARE IN PLACE WITH THAT TRANSITION.

YOU KNOW, THE IMPACT FEE IS ANOTHER THING.

I OVERHEARD THE CONVERSATION HERE TONIGHT.

AND IMPACT FEE, LIKE ANY OTHER FEE, NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.

WE NEED INCREASE ACROSS THE BOARD.

WAGES OF EACH EMPLOYEE NEED INCREASES BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, OUR ECONOMY IS GOING THAT WAY.

BUT I THINK IT NEED TIME TO, YOU KNOW, GRADUALLY TAKE PLACE.

I HAVE ONE EXAMPLE WHERE I'VE BEEN A BUSINESS PERSON IN THE CITY FOR 20, 26, 27 YEARS, AND I'VE BEEN PAYING THE LAST TIME I PAID A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.

THE RECEIPT TAX RECEIPT WAS 300 AND CHANGE.

MAYBE, SAY 350.

$350. LAST YEAR, WHEN I GO TO RENEW THE SAME LOCATION, WHATEVER BUSINESS I'M DOING, IT WAS 1500 AND CHANGE. AND I SAID, WELL, I KNOW WE NEED INCREASE WITH FEES AND EVERYTHING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY EVERYTHING WENT UP, BUT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD PUT THAT AMOUNT OF INCREASE ONE TIME.

WE MAY BE HIGH IN FOUR YEARS.

FIVE YEARS? THAT'S FINE.

THAT'S NOT THE FAULT OF THE CITIZENS.

BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE AS THE GOVERNMENT ARE.

YOU ARE. THE GOVERNMENT NEED TO PLACE THAT ACCORDINGLY.

THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU.

MADAM SHERMAN, REGARDING THE IMPACT FEES AND WHAT HE JUST SPOKE ON.

WE JUST WENT THROUGH A PRESENTATION THAT IS PHASED IN IN FOUR.

SO I'M NOT SURE.

YES, SIR. WE WE CAN CERTAINLY.

MR. GARY, IF YOU'D LIKE US TO HAVE A MEETING WITH YOU TO GIVE YOU SOME OF THOSE DETAILS.

WE BROUGHT SOME INFORMATION TO COUNCIL A COUPLE OF TIMES TO TALK ABOUT THE SEPTIC TO SEWER PROJECT AND THE THE WORK WE'VE DONE GETTING FUNDING PUT TOGETHER TO HELP COVER THE COSTS FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE PHASES THAT WE'RE STARTING.

WE'RE STARTING THIS MONTH, WE STARTED SENDING OUT THE FIRST LETTERS TO OVER 200 FOLKS THAT ARE ON THE BEGINNING LIST TO CONVERT FROM OLD SEPTIC TANKS TO THE CITY SEWER THAT'S IN FRONT OF THEIR LOTS.

SO THOSE LETTERS HAVE GONE OUT, BUT WE HAVE FUNDING STRATEGIES IN PLACE TO OFFSET THEIR COSTS.

SO WE'VE PUT ALL THAT IN MOTION.

THERE'S A LOT MORE TO IT I COULD COVER.

CERTAINLY, SIR. AS WELL AS TO ANSWER SOME OF YOUR OTHER QUESTIONS IF YOU'D LIKE, AND WE CAN LOOK AT YOUR TR.

I DON'T KNOW YOUR SPECIFIC SITUATION, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO LOOK AT WHAT THAT INCREASE WAS.

PERHAPS TOM CAN ADDRESS SOME OF.

WOULD YOU LIKE A MORE DETAILED DISCUSSION NOW, OR WOULD YOU LIKE HIM TO.

PERHAPS HE COULD JUST SIT DOWN NEXT TO HIM AND SHARE A FEW THOUGHTS.

TOM? YES, SIR.

WITH MR. GARY.

PERHAPS HE COULD ASK.

ANSWER SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS REGARDING UTILITIES, MR.

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GARY. NEXT SPEAKER.

MISS KATHERINE WOODRUFF WOULD LOVE.

RUDLOFF RUDLOFF.

IT'S KATHERINE.

HELLO. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR MEDINA AND VICE MAYOR AND COUNCILMAN AND ALL OF OUR WONDERFUL CITY STAFF.

MY NAME IS KATHRYN RUDLOFF, AND I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF WE VENTURE AND WOMEN'S BUSINESS CENTER IN THE FLORIDA TECH BISK COLLEGE OF BUSINESS, AND WE ARE AN SBA RESOURCE PARTNER.

SO THE UNIVERSITY RECEIVES A GRANT FROM THE US SMALL BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION.

AND WE PROVIDE FREE BUSINESS COACHING AS WELL AS LOW AND NO COST BUSINESS EDUCATION, MENTORSHIP, TRAINING AND NETWORKING OPPORTUNITIES.

WHILE WE ARE WOMEN'S BUSINESS CENTER BECAUSE WE'RE FEDERALLY FUNDED, WE DO NOT DISCRIMINATE BASED ON RACE OR GENDER.

AND IN FACT, IN A GIVEN YEAR, 20 TO 30% OF OUR CLIENTS MIGHT BE MALE OWNED OR FAMILY PARTNERSHIPS OR DUAL GENDER PARTNERSHIPS.

AND WE HAVE A STRONG TRACK RECORD.

WE'VE BEEN A PROGRAM SINCE 2007.

WE'VE GROWN SIGNIFICANTLY.

WE USED TO SERVE ABOUT 250 CLIENTS A YEAR BEFORE THE PANDEMIC.

SINCE THE PANDEMIC, WE'VE SERVED UPWARDS OF 700.

LAST YEAR, IT WAS OVER 900 UNIQUE SMALL BUSINESS CLIENTS.

THIS CAPACITY THAT WE'VE HAD WOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE WITH INCREASED WITHOUT INCREASED SUPPORT FROM THE LOCAL COMMUNITY.

WE RECEIVE SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT FROM PRIVATE BUSINESSES THAT BELIEVE IN THE WORK WE DO AND HELP MATCH THAT SBA GRANT.

BUT WE'VE ALSO HAD SOME SUCCESS OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS WITH THE CITY OF COCOA, WHERE WE HAVE PARTNERED WITH THEM ALMOST AS LIKE A CONTRACTING AGENCY, WHERE THEY HAVE DEVELOPED AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM, WHERE THEY ARE PROVIDING SMALL BUSINESS LOANS TO HELP GROW BUSINESSES WITHIN THEIR COMMUNITY.

BUT AS SORT OF AN INSURANCE POLICY, BEFORE THE CLIENT IS GIVEN THE LOAN OR ACCEPTED INTO THE PROGRAM, THE CITY PAYS FOR THEM TO GO THROUGH OUR FEE FOR SERVICE BUSINESS MENTORSHIP PROGRAM, OUR IGNITE THREE 60 BUSINESS MENTORSHIP PROGRAM.

AND SO THEN WHEN THEY COMPLETE THAT SIX MONTH MENTORING PROGRAM, WE'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE CITY WITH A LEVEL OF CONFIDENCE THAT THIS IS A SOLID BUSINESS PLAN, THAT THEY'VE GOT A PLAN FOR GROWTH. WE KNOW HOW THE GRANT FUNDING WILL BE USED AND THAT IT'S GOING TO BE USED EFFECTIVELY.

AND OUR TRACK RECORD SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.

THE PROGRAM, THE IGNITE THREE 60 BUSINESS MENTORING HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE 2012.

REALLY, WE ONLY SERVE ABOUT 20 CLIENTS A YEAR THROUGH THAT PROGRAM BECAUSE IT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE INTENSIVE BUSINESS SUPPORT.

BUT OUR TRACK RECORD SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.

EVERY BUSINESS THAT IS GRADUATED, OVER 200 ARE STILL IN BUSINESS.

THEY'VE ALL GONE ON TO CREATE JOBS AND CONTINUE TO GROW, AND THEY SEE AN AVERAGE OF A 40% INCREASE IN REVENUE UPON COMPLETION OF THE PROGRAM.

SO I AM HERE BECAUSE I THINK THAT WHEN WE COME UPON BUDGET SEASON AND BUDGET PROCESS, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT WHAT YOUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLANS ARE FOR THE CITY FLORIDA TECH AND THE WOMEN'S BUSINESS CENTER STANDS HERE READY TO PARTNER WITH THE CITY.

IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER.

WELL, MISS RUDLOFF, I KNOW A SUCCESS STORY FROM THAT WENT THROUGH YOUR PROGRAM PERSONALLY, AND I THINK YOU GUYS DO AN OUTSTANDING JOB.

AND IN PARTICULAR, UNDER YOUR LEADERSHIP, I HAVE SEEN THE GROWTH AND I HAVE SEEN SO MUCH OF THE MARKETING AND YOU GROWING OUR LOCAL ECONOMY BECAUSE OF IT.

I'M I'M ALL ON BOARD.

IF IF WE COULD HAVE OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOLKS TO SIT DOWN WITH CATHERINE BECAUSE WE'RE ALL ABOUT CREATING BUSINESS AND JOBS ON THIS DAIS.

AND SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU FOR COMING THROUGH.

AND AND IT'S A BIG THUMBS UP FOR FROM US BECAUSE WE WE HAVE SEEN THE VALUE OF YOUR WORK, THE FRUITS OF YOUR LABOR, IF YOU WILL.

SO, YES, KEEP ON CREATE MORE JOBS FOR OUR LOCAL ECONOMY, MA'AM.

AND I APPLAUD ALL YOUR EFFORTS.

THANK YOU. AND IF I HAVE THE 23 SECONDS, I'LL JUST SAY THAT IF YOU'RE NOT ALREADY CONSIDERING IT, ACCESS TO CAPITAL IS THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE THAT SMALL BUSINESSES FACE.

THERE'S NOBODY THROWING MONEY OUT, JUST GIVING MONEY AWAY.

SO ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO PROACTIVELY SUPPORT, BUT ALSO GUARANTEE THAT TAXPAYER DOLLARS ARE USED WISELY, I THINK IS A REALLY SMART INVESTMENT FROM THE CITY.

THANK YOU MA'AM. ALL RIGHT.

COUNCIL THE ONLY OTHER THING TO ADD IF NOT JUST THIS BUDGET CYCLE, ALSO CONSIDER CDBG AS WELL AS ANOTHER FUNDING SOURCE TO TO ADD VALUE TO THIS BECAUSE AS A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER MYSELF AND THOSE THAT SEE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS, THEY PROVIDE A GREAT SERVICE, BUT THEY MIGHT NOT BE THE BEST OR SAVVIEST ON THE BUSINESS SIDE OF THINGS. SO THAT'S WHY I FEEL LIKE WE'RE SEEING IN OUR NATION WHERE THE BIG DOGS KNOW HOW TO RUN THINGS, AND WE'RE IN A LITTLE POND TRYING TO FIGURE THINGS OUT WITH EACH OTHER.

YOU'RE GOOD AT WHAT YOU DO. NOT NECESSARILY.

YOU DON'T HAVE THE MBA TO KNOW HOW TO RUN THE BUSINESS, RIGHT? YEAH. AND THAT'S WHERE YOU COME IN.

SO I SEE IT.

I SEE THE VALUE UP IN COCOA.

WHY NOT? PALM BAY AND BUSINESS PLAN IS PART OF THE SUCCESS, RIGHT? YEAH. EXACTLY. WHAT I'M HEARING IS IT'S CONNECTING THOSE DOTS AND AND THAT'S WHY I'M EXCITED ABOUT WHAT YOU DO, MA'AM.

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SO THAT'S COOL.

CDBG IN THE FUTURE GET GET THAT ON TRACK IF STAFF'S TAKING NOTES.

THANK YOU FOR COMING THROUGH, STAFF.

YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU.

AND IT'S GREAT TO SEE YOU, MA'AM.

NEXT SPEAKER, MR. KEARNS. HI.

GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL.

DAVID KEARNS, 668 DUNBARTON CIRCLE, NORTHEAST PALM BAY, FLORIDA.

I HAD A QUESTION AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING.

IT KIND OF GOT DRIFTED INTO THE DISCUSSION OF RELIGION AND GOVERNMENT.

BUT MY QUESTION WAS, IF YOU HAVE TWO VACANT SEATS ON COUNCIL AND YOU'RE DOING A ZONING CHANGE AND YOU HAVE A 2 TO 1 VOTE, IS THAT A LEGAL VOTE? AND THAT WAS THAT WAS NEVER REALLY ANSWERED.

WE DIDN'T GET INTO THAT PART OF THE DISCUSSION.

AND THEN LOOKING AT LOOKING AT CHANGING THE MILLAGE RATE AND EVEN MORE DRASTIC CHANGE, WHICH COULD RESULT IN THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, YOU KNOW, OR HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS TO EACH HOUSEHOLD.

I WOULD URGE YOU GUYS, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT I WOULD URGE YOU TO WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE A FULL COUNCIL OF FIVE BEFORE ANY DRASTIC CHANGES LIKE THAT ARE TAKEN. AND MAYBE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE YOU'RE GOING TO DO.

THAT'S FINE.

BUT I THINK IT JUST SMACKS OF TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION IF WE'RE CHANGING THE MILLAGE RATE AND WE'RE ONLY USING THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO DO IT, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THAT'S REALLY THAT'S ONLY GOING TO CAUSE IN THE FUTURE A LOT OF CONCERN AND, AND A LOT OF CONFLICT.

SO I DON'T SEE THAT AS, AS A WISE DECISION.

AND THEN THE THIRD QUESTION I HAD MR. ALGERI ALREADY VOICED IT, BUT WE DO NEED TO FOLLOW THE CITY CHARTER.

WE DON'T NEED TO AD HOC MAKE UP DIFFERENT PLANS AND SO FORTH.

AS FAR AS FILLING SEAT THREE, I THINK REALLY FOLLOWING THE CHARTER, THE MORE WE STAY ON THAT CHARTER AND DON'T STEP ON IT, THE MORE IT'S A VALUED DOCUMENT AND THE MORE IT'S A LEGAL DOCUMENT.

IT'S LIKE IN REAL ESTATE, IF YOU HAVE A CONTRACT THAT'S NOT FOLLOWED BY ONE PARTY ON THE ON THE REAL ESTATE TRANSACTION, THAT CONTRACT IS VOID.

SO THE MORE WE JUST IGNORE OUR OWN CITY CHARTER, THE MORE THAT DOCUMENT HAS LESS AND LESS VALUE, JUST LIKE THE CONSTITUTION.

THE MORE IT'S IGNORED, THE LESS VALUE IT HAS.

SO THAT'S WHAT I HAD.

THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER OR MADAM ATTORNEY, WOULD YOU WANT TO ANSWER THE THE VOTING OF QUASI JUDICIAL PNC MATTERS.

YES, THAT IS ACTUALLY AN ISSUE THAT WE ADDRESSED, I THINK, A FEW MONTHS AGO.

AS FAR AS OUR CHARTER.

THE MAJORITY OF THE QUORUM CONSTITUTES APPROVAL.

THE ONLY DIFFERENCE WOULD BE, OF COURSE, IF SEEKING TO EXCEED THE 3% CAP THAT ACTUALLY REQUIRES A MAJORITY OF COUNCIL. BUT ANYTHING ELSE A MAJORITY OF THE QUORUM IS AS EFFECTIVE AS APPROVAL.

DEPUTY MAYOR, THIS CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.

MAYOR, EVERYBODY, IF I WOULD YOU ADDRESS THE MAYBE MISS SHERMAN MAYOR, IF I MAY ASK THE THE SECTION REGARDING THE THE PROPOSED REFERENDUM.

SO IT'S NOT US DOING IT.

IF YOU MAY TALK TO THAT, THIS IS GOING SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE FOR THE VOTERS.

SHOULD WE GIVE INSTRUCTION TO DO SO? WOULD YOU? I THINK IT WAS A SPECIFIC QUESTION AS TO AS FAR AS THAT'S CONCERNED.

YES, SIR. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NEW BUSINESS ITEM NUMBER ONE, THAT IS THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE FOR A REFERENDUM TO CHANGE THE CHARTER IN TWO DIFFERENT AREAS. BUT IT WOULD IT WOULD GO TO A VOTE OF THE PEOPLE IN NOVEMBER.

AND ONE OF THOSE TOPICS IS WE'LL TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT LATER IN MORE DETAIL, BUT IT'S A PROPOSED NOT TO EXCEED DEDICATED MILLAGE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, POLICE, FIRE, EMERGENCY MEDICAL AND NOT TO EXCEED TWO MILLS THAT COUNCIL IN THE FUTURE, IF THAT WERE APPROVED BY THE VOTERS, WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SET A MILLAGE RATE THAT WOULD RANGE OR NOT TO SET IT AT ALL, DEPENDING ON THE NEEDS OF THE CITY.

SO THAT IS WHAT WE'RE COMING UP TO.

ESSENTIALLY, IT'S NOT ALL DECISION WILL BE PUT BEFORE THE VOTERS.

VOTERS WILL HAVE TO DECIDE.

SO HOPE THAT EXPLAINS.

THANK YOU. DEPUTY MAYOR, THAT ENDS THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, CORRECT? YES, MAYOR. ALRIGHT, SO JUST DOUBLE CHECKING.

WE SAW WAS IT AS YOU WERE, SIR? HOLD ON. I DON'T SEE MRS. DO WE HAVE A PUBLIC STREET? COME ON UP, MR. STICE.

AND THEN WE'LL JUST SORT OUT.

IF YOU HAVE ONE, PLEASE FILL OUT ANOTHER ONE.

THAT'S TWICE. ROBERT STILES, 1796 WILMOT DRIVE, SOUTHEAST.

MY INITIAL QUESTION IS TO MISS SHERMAN FIRST.

ABOUT A MONTH AND A HALF AGO, I MET MIKE MCCABE AND A CITY REP WITH THE CITY WANTS TO DO IS PUT IN A WATER LINE UP BY TILLMAN CANAL

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ALONG OUR PRESERVE, ACROSS OUR ASPHALT, IN THE BACK OF WINBROOK, AND TO GIVE ADDITIONAL FOR THE CITY TO TAP INTO ADDITIONAL WATER, WHICH IS FINE. PROBLEM IS, IT'S BEEN A MONTH AND A HALF.

NOW WE WE HAVE PEOPLE GOING THROUGH A DIRT BIKES AND ATVS AND WHAT HAVE YOU, AND THEN GOING ON TO THE GOLF COURSE.

AND THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING BY GIVING YOU THE MARINE ONE FINGER SALUTE, IF YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING.

IT'S DANGEROUS.

CAN WE EXPEDITE THIS? BECAUSE I NEED TO GET A CATTLE GATE HERE TO STOP SOME OF THESE RESIDENTS FROM ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD FROM HOLLAND IS COMING DOWN OUR WAY.

IS THAT THE HOA, MR. STICE? YES. IT'S SUMMERFIELD HOA MAYOR.

OKAY. SO IT'S.

YEAH. SO WE'VE RESIDENTS HAVE ASKED THE RESIDENTS TO CALL THE POLICE, AND I KNOW PALM BAY FINEST HAS A LOT TO DO, BUT WHEN THEY GET DOWN THERE, THESE GUYS ARE JUST.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO CATCH THEM ON A DIRT BIKE.

OKAY? SO WE REALLY NEED TO MOVE ON THAT BECAUSE I HATE TO JUST GO BACK AND DENY IT, BUT IT'S IT'S A SITUATION WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF KIDS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THESE GUYS GO FLYING BY.

SO I'VE BEEN PREACHING SAFETY HERE FOR FOR OVER THREE YEARS NOW.

SO, SO IS THAT THAT HOA THAT HAS TO BE WORKED OUT IS THAT WE DO REPRESENT THE HOA THAT YOU GIVE PERMISSION FOR US TO WORK WITH THAT OR IS THERE A LEGAL THING? NO. WE HAD A VOTE TO APPROVE AND SAID, GO AHEAD, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY ADDING WATER CAPACITY IS IN EVERYBODY'S BEST INTEREST.

OKAY. BUT THERE'S BEEN NO MOVEMENT ON IT.

MIKE MCKAY SAID HE FROM TILLMAN.

HE HASN'T ISSUED A PERMIT YET.

AND WE NEED TO WE NEED TO WE NEED TO EXPEDITE, GET MORE DETAILS ON IT.

WE'LL FIGURE OUT WHAT THE RESOLUTION IS.

YEAH. THANK YOU. THE OTHER THING AND I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE A LOT ON YOUR PLATE, AND IT'S BEEN SOME HORRIBLE PREDECESSORS GOING ON, BUT I AM THE SAFETY GUY. AND YOUR FIRST POSITION OR YOUR FIRST RESPONSIBILITY TO YOUR RESIDENTS IS SAFETY.

WHEN YOU ARE BUILDING A CONTINUE TO CONSTRUCT HOUSES.

AND YOU HAD THE THE FIRE CHIEFS SAYING THAT THE 18 TO 20 MINUTES AWAY.

OKAY, YOU'RE PUTTING PEOPLE IN DANGER.

YOU DON'T LET THESE FOLKS KNOW ABOUT IT.

SO DO YOU REMEMBER THREE YEARS AGO WHEN WHEN D.R.

HORTON WAS BUILDING HOUSES ADJACENT TO OURS, AND YOU WANTED THAT THAT BREAKAWAY FENCE UP BECAUSE YOU KNEW THAT A HEART ISSUE OR HEART, YOU KNOW, IS MINUTES MATTERED.

SO I'M GAGGING ON THIS HERE.

YOU'RE PUTTING PEOPLE IN DANGER.

18 TO 20 MINUTES AND EIGHT MINUTES OF PREVIOUS FIRE CHIEF SAID YOUR HOUSE IS ENGULFED IN FLAMES.

WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN 20 MINUTES? I UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT FEES.

I UNDERSTAND YOUR HUSTLE AND YOUR FANNIES OFF.

BUT THIS IS UNSAFE TO RESIDENTS IN THE SOUTH END.

YOU NEED TO ADDRESS THIS.

OKAY. DID DID YOU FIND HIS SPEAKER CARD? HERE'S A SPEAKER CARD FOR NEW BUSINESS NUMBER ONE.

MR.. GO AHEAD.

DO YOU STILL WISH TO SPEAK? I HANDED IT TO HIM.

I JUST GOT LOST.

BUT. OKAY.

WHY DO I HAVE ONE FOR NEW BUSINESS, NUMBER ONE? IS THAT CORRECT? IS THAT STILL OKAY? ALL RIGHT. OKAY. MAYOR, DO YOU HAVE.

OKAY. CARRY ON.

YOU GO. NO CONCERN OR NO? NO, WE'RE. WE ALREADY HAVE.

OKAY. JUST. YES, SIR.

MR. MORRIS, DAVID MORRIS.

GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR.

I WANT TO SAY I HAVE NEVER BEEN MORE DISAPPOINTED THAN I HAVE BEEN IN THIS CITY IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS.

SQUANDERED FOR MONEY SPENT, WASTED.

UNBELIEVABLE THINGS.

MY STREET, STILL A DIRT ROAD.

STILL GOT A SPEED BUMP FOR A FRICKIN PIPE.

THAT IS 8IN OR 10IN.

TOO HIGH IN THE GROUND AFTER FOUR TRIES FROM YOUR PUBLIC WORKS, FIRE EM ALL.

SUB THIS WORKOUT.

GET RID OF THESE CLOWNS BECAUSE IF THEY CAN'T DO THE JOB RIGHT THE FIRST TIME, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET IT RIGHT ON THE FIFTH.

AND THEY TRIED TO FIX THAT FOUR TIMES.

MONEY TAXES CHASING US OUT OF OUR HOMES.

WHAT DO YOU THINK THIS IS? WHY DO YOU HAVE TO CONTINUALLY SPEND SORRY.

SPEND AND TAX.

WHAT'S THIS ABOUT? WHY ARE OUR ROADS ANY BETTER? IS OUR FIRE AND POLICE ANY BETTER? WE. WE CAN SURE HAVE PARADES.

WE CAN SURE HAVE PARTIES, BUT WE CAN'T TAKE CARE OF THE THINGS THAT THE CHARTER DEMANDS THAT YOU DO.

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DO WHAT YOU WANT.

WE GET TO VOTE.

OKAY, THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING.

BUT I'M SICK AND TIRED OF EVERY TIME I GET A TAX BILL FROM YOU, IT'S HIGHER.

RIDICULOUS. AND I'M GETTING NOTHING FOR IT.

OKAY. ROAD BOND MONEY.

WASTED MONEY.

SHE NEEDS TO RETIRE.

OKAY. SHE WAS GIVEN TWO QUOTES FROM TWO MAJOR CONTRACTORS THAT WOULD HAVE DONE THAT JOB AND 18 MONTHS UNDER BUDGET.

WHERE ARE WE AT WITH THAT? MY TAX MONEY AGAIN SQUANDERED EVERY OTHER PERSON IN THIS CITY.

I WATCHED THE GUY OUT THERE PAINT THAT STANDPIPE IN FRONT OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FROM PUBLIC PUBLIC WORKS.

EIGHT HOURS.

ONE DAY WHEN I WAS OUT THERE COLLECTING SIGNATURES SIX YEARS AGO.

DIDN'T SAND IT.

PUT A TARP OUT AND PAINTED IT.

TWO COATS. DID A GREAT JOB.

BUT WHO IS WATCHING? WHAT GETS DONE? NOBODY. NOBODY WATCHES WHAT THEY DO.

NOBODY PAYS ATTENTION.

BAILEY WAS ON TO IT WHEN HE SAID THAT WE NEEDED TO HAVE PERFORMANCE REVIEWS AND USE.

PEOPLE HAD TO PERFORM.

NOBODY WAS WATCHING ANYTHING.

NOBODY CARES.

IT'S NOT THEIR PROBLEM.

MY PROBLEM BECAUSE I'M PAYING FOR IT.

EVERY OTHER PERSON IN THIS ROOM PROBLEM BECAUSE WE'RE PAYING FOR IT.

AND I THINK YOU NEED TO DO BETTER FOR US AS CITIZENS.

I AM SO DISAPPOINTED IN ALL OF YOU.

EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU.

WHAT CAN YOU DO TO MAKE THINGS BETTER FOR ME OTHER THAN GIVING YOU A NEW TAX BILL? TWO MILLS FOR FIRE AND POLICE, SOMETHING THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PLANNED YEARS AGO.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU? THANK YOU. DID YOU SAY THAT YOUR YOUR STREET, YOUR AVENUE IS NOT PAVED? DID I HEAR THAT CORRECTLY? OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

SIR. YOU ALREADY SAID THAT.

I'M JUST DOUBLE CHECKING WHAT YOU SAID.

AND I'D LIKE OUR PUBLIC WORKS TO START LOOKING AT THIS ADDRESS.

WELL, GO TO THANK.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

NEXT. THANK YOU.

SIR. YEP. NEXT.

NEXT WEEK. IS THAT IT? NO. THIS COMPLETE PUBLIC COMMENTS.

THANK YOU. WE'RE NOW ON CONSENT.

WE'RE NOW ON CONSENT.

[APPROVAL OF CONSENT AGENDA:]

ALL RIGHT, MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE ITEMS TO PULL.

YOU DO? OKAY. WELL, LET LET HIM.

OKAY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT.

GO AHEAD. SIR. THREE, FOUR.

GOOD. ALL RIGHT.

I WAS PULLING THROUGH. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. THREE.

FOUR. FIVE. 3456.

SEVEN EIGHT.

OH, WOW. WASN'T PULLING ON 34566787 14 AND 15 EIGHT, EIGHT, 14, 15, 14 AND 15.

DID YOU SAY OKAY, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER ITEMS, DEPUTY MAYOR? NO, SIR. OKAY.

YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD HAVE PULLED THREE.

AND THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT, SIR.

BUT SO I NEED A MOTION.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE FOLLOWING THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE, 14, 15, 17, AND 18.

SO MOVED. SECOND.

SECOND. I GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

MADAM SMITH, BOTH OF MY ITEMS FOR POOL.

THANK YOU. GENTLEMEN.

SO WE'LL GET TO THEM SHORTLY.

COPY THAT. SO WE'RE NOW ON PUBLIC HEARINGS.

[PUBLIC HEARINGS:]

ITEM NUMBER ONE.

I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MISS SHERMAN.

THANK YOU. MAYOR, GIVE ME JUST ONE SECOND.

I'M GETTING BACK TO THAT SECTION.

OKAY. THIS IS THE FINAL HEARING FOR THE ALLOCATIONS OF THIS UPCOMING YEAR.

THE CDBG AND HOME FUNDING THAT WE RECEIVED.

SO TODAY IS THE END OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

THIS WAS APPROVED ALREADY ON FIRST READING.

AND THIS IS THE ITEM THAT, JUST TO REFRESH, HAS A VARIETY OF PUBLIC SERVICES THAT ARE FUNDED AS WELL AS PUBLIC FACILITY IMPROVEMENTS.

AND STAFF IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

THANK YOU. COUNCIL.

ANY QUESTIONS? NO, SIR. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, YOU STILL SIT ON THIS BOARD, CORRECT? NO. OR I PASSED IT OVER.

YOU PASSED IT OVER TO ME? YOU DON'T HAVE ANY.

NO, SIR. ANYTHING TO ADD, DEPUTY MAYOR?

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ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

SEEING NONE, I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASKING FOR A MOTION.

SO MOVED. SECOND, GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

MADAM SMITH WE WE HAVE ITEMS TWO AND THREE AND NO LONGER.

WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR, MADAM SMITH.

OH FIVE ARE CONTINUED, RIGHT? YEAH. COME ON.

YES, MA'AM. GO AHEAD.

THE FOLLOWING ITEMS ARE QUASI JUDICIAL IN NATURE.

PUBLIC HEARING AGENDA ITEMS. NUMBERS FOUR AND FIVE.

ANY PERSON WHO WISHES TO TESTIFY ON SUCH A MATTER MUST SIGN A SPEAKER CARD, WHICH CONTAINS A SWORN OATH TO TELL THE TRUTH.

ANY SPEAKER MAY BE SUBJECT TO CROSS EXAMINATION BY THE COUNCIL OR ANY OTHER INTERESTED PARTY.

ATTORNEYS WHO ARE APPEARING ON BEHALF OF A PARTY AND NOT PROVIDING TESTIMONIAL EVIDENCE ARE NOT CONSIDERED WITNESSES AND NEED NOT BE SWORN.

ANY INDIVIDUAL ADDRESSING THE COUNSEL MUST STATE HIS OR HER NAME AND CONFIRM THAT A SPEAKER CARD HAS BEEN SIGNED.

COUNSEL SHOULD DISCLOSE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION BY DISCLOSING THE SUBJECT MATTER OF THE COMMUNICATION AND THE IDENTITY OF THE PERSON, GROUP OR ENTITY WITH WHOM THE COMMUNICATION TOOK PLACE.

THE ORDER OF THIS PROCEEDING WILL BE AS FOLLOWS.

FIRST, THE APPLICANT WILL MAKE ITS PRESENTATION, FOLLOWED BY STAFF COMMENTS, FOLLOWED BY ANY OTHER INTERESTED PARTY OR OTHER PERSON.

THE APPLICANT WILL THEN BE ALLOWED CONCLUDING REMARKS.

THE HEARING WILL THEN BE CLOSED AND NO ADDITIONAL TESTIMONY OR ARGUMENT WILL BE ALLOWED.

THE COUNCIL WILL THEN DELIBERATE IN PUBLIC AT THE END OF DELIBERATION.

A COUNCIL MEMBER WILL MAKE A MOTION ON THE APPLICATION TO BRING THE MATTER TO A VOTE.

EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER IS THEN FREE TO VOTE IN FAVOR OR AGAINST THE MOTION.

THANK YOU MA'AM, I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT THEIR.

THANK YOU. JOSEPH NAGY, REPRESENTING KEG.

WHO'S THE APPLICANT ON THIS CASE? WE'VE GOT SOME EXHIBITS.

SO THE FIRST ORDINANCE ON THE IS FOR THE ODYSSEY PREPARATORY ACADEMY.

OKAY. CARRY ON.

SIR? YOU ONLY HAVE TWO.

YEAH, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT THE AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE.

SO I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT.

OKAY. CARRY IT.

THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT VARIANCES UP.

ONE FOR THE PAVEMENT BEING WITHIN THE 25 FOOT SETBACK OF THE PROPERTY LINE, WHICH IS THIS ZONING.

NC IS THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS THE 25.

AS A GENERAL RULE, IT'S 15.

THE OTHER VARIANCE IS FOR THE BUILDING HEIGHT FOR A FIVE FOOT INCREASE FROM 25 TO 30FT FOR THIS.

YEAH. COULD YOU GET CLOSER TO THE MIC? YEAH. SORRY. THANK YOU.

SO FOR THIS ONE.

THIS THIS VARIANCE IS FOR THE MEASURED CURVE.

THIS IS BECAUSE THE SOCCER FIELD HAS TO BE A REGULATION SOCCER FIELD FOR THE FFSA, WHICH IMPACTS HOW CLOSE IT CAN BE AND WHERE IT CAN BE LOCATED ON THE SITE, AS WELL AS THE INCREASED STACKING PER STAFF.

COMMENTS AND COLLABORATION.

TO ALLOW THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF STACKING ON THIS, AS THE OTHER ODYSSEY SCHOOLS HAVE HAD ISSUES WITH STACKING AND EMERSON DOES NOT NEED ANY MORE STACKING ON IT.

FOR THIS, THEY ARE GOING TO PROPOSE A SIX FOOT OPAQUE FENCE TO PREVENT ANY ISSUES ALONG THE BORDER.

THEY'RE GOING TO KEEP SOME OF THE TREES, AS MANY AS THEY CAN, ALONG THE BOUNDARY IN THAT 15FT AREA.

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AND THIS IS THE ONLY ZONING THAT REQUIRES THIS 25FT.

MOST OF THE OTHER ZONINGS THAT ALLOW FOR SCHOOLS ONLY HAVE A TEN FOOT.

SO THIS IS THIS IS A ARCHAIC ZONING THAT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE AMENDED, BUT I KNOW THAT THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING DONE.

I KNOW THIS HAS STAFF SUPPORT AND P AND Z APPROVAL, AND I THINK THAT'S THE MOST AMOUNT I HAVE FOR THE THREE MINUTES.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

SO JUST TO TO REITERATE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SIX FOOT FENCE ALONG THE PERIMETER AND THEN A VEGETATIVE BUFFER WHERE WHERE POSSIBLE.

THAT IS CORRECT WITH THE TREES.

RIGHT. IS THAT JUST FOR THE RECORD, I WANTED TO INITIATE THAT.

AND THEN WHAT WHAT'S.

THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL. THANK YOU SIR.

COUNCIL, I WILL SAY, AND JUST LOOKING AT THIS PLAN, AND I WAS LOOKING AT THIS LONG BEFORE WE, WE CAME BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, I'M QUITE INTERESTED IN THE, THE VEHICLES AND THE STACKING.

SO I THINK I'D LIKE TO CALL IN FRANK WATANABE.

BECAUSE HE'S PROBABLY BEEN OUR RESIDENT EXPERT ON, ON VEHICLE STACKING IN SCHOOL ZONES OF LATE, SO I WANTED TO.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR FRANK WATANABE, PUBLIC WORKS CITY TRAFFIC ENGINEER.

AND YOU'RE THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER.

EMERSON ROAD IS IS A FREQUENTLY TRAVELED CORRIDOR? YES, IT IS. CORRECT.

YES, IT IS. AND IT IS CONSIDERED COMMERCIAL AT THIS POINT OR THIS QUARTER.

IT IS. EMERSON IN THIS SECTION IS IS CONSIDERED AN ARTERIAL ROADWAY.

ARTERIAL. THE FUTURE ROADWAY EXPANSION IS TO HAVE A FOUR LANE ROAD OF EMERSON FROM FROM THE SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY ALL THE WAY TO MINTON.

SO RIGHT NOW, THE CURRENT SITUATION WITH THE TWO LANE ROAD IS ONLY FOR THE CURRENT.

EVENTUALLY IT HAS TO BE FOUR LANES AS WE EXPAND THAT AREA TOWARDS SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY, THAT WHOLE ROAD HAS TO BE WIDENED OUT TO FOUR LANES TO MIRROR THE CURRENT SECTION OF EMERSON. THAT'S ALREADY FOUR LANES.

AND SO TO THAT POINT IS THAT RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION AS PART OF THIS ALREADY THERE ARE SECTIONS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE OBTAINED.

THERE'S SECTIONS THAT WE GET WHEN WE HAVE DEVELOPMENTS COMING IN.

OKAY. SO BUT THE GOOD MAJORITY OF THAT SECTION IS, IS CONSIDERED COMMERCIAL.

YEAH. AND I'M QUITE INTERESTED IN THE STACKING CAPACITY.

I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN THIS.

YES. AND I THINK THIS IS A WELCOME CONCEPT IN REMOVING TRAFFIC FROM THE POTENTIAL OF IT BEING ON EMERSON.

SO I THINK THIS WAS I'M A LAYMAN, BUT AT LEAST I SEE THAT THEY'VE CONSIDERED STACKING VEHICLES.

DO YOU THINK THIS SUFFICE FOR K THROUGH EIGHT? I THINK THIS IS THEY ARE REQUIRED.

I MEAN THIS IS NOT WITH THEIR SITE PLAN.

THEY'RE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A TRAFFIC STUDY.

AND I'VE ALREADY REQUESTED A WHAT WE CALL A STACKING ANALYSIS THAT WE REMEMBER.

WE HAD PINEAPPLE CODE.

WE HAD THE SAME SITUATION WHERE THEY DID A TRAFFIC STUDY, THEY DID A STACK ANALYSIS.

IT DID NOT MEET WHAT WAS YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAVE TODAY AND THAT HAPPENED.

SO IN THIS SITUATION, I'VE ASKED TO MAKE SURE IT'S DONE.

WE CHECK IT, WE WILL VERIFY CHECKING IT PRIOR TO APPROVAL WITH BRINGING IT TO COUNCIL.

SO THAT'S IN THE MOTION RIGHT NOW IS TO HAVE THEM DO A TRAFFIC STUDY AND TO DO A PARKING AND STACKING ANALYSIS.

HOWEVER, IN THIS SITUATION, WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IT IS QUITE YOU KNOW, IT'S IMPRESSIVE.

THEY'RE TRYING TO LOOP AS MUCH TRAFFIC THEY'RE PROVIDING IN THIS ANALYSIS.

IF YOU DON'T SEE IT. AND IT'S HARD TO SEE, BUT THEY'RE ALL COMING FROM THE FAR WEST SIDE AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO HAVE TWO LANES COMING IN AND THEN SORRY, ONE LANE COMING IN. AND THEN IT GOES AROUND THE LITTLE TRAFFIC CIRCLE AND BECOMES TWO STACKING LANES.

FROM WHAT I CALCULATED OUT WAS ABOUT 156 CARS INTERNALLY.

SO SO THAT'S 156 COMPARED TO OUR PINEAPPLE CODE, WHICH CURRENTLY NOW HOLDS ABOUT MAYBE 60.

SO IT'S CARRYING A LOT MORE CARS.

HOWEVER, THIS SCHOOL IS PROJECTED TO HOLD WHAT, 800 STUDENTS AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE BUSSING.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RATIO WITH BUSSING.

OKAY. YEAH. THAT'S STAGGERING.

I DON'T KNOW THE RATIO OF OTHER, YOU KNOW, MODES THAT COMES OUT OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY, BUT THIS HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, OPERATIONS LIKE STAGGERING BUSSING AND ALL THOSE THINGS WERE RIGHT NOW IN THE OTHER SITUATION, WE'RE TIED BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THOSE OPTIONS, OKAY.

WE'RE AHEAD OF THE HORSE.

SO WE COULD ASK FOR THOSE OPTIONS.

AND THEY'RE SHOWING A BUSSING THAT'S THE BUSSING LOOP.

ON TOP IS A BUSSING LOOP.

SO THEY ARE GOING TO PROVIDE BUSSING FULL SIZE BUSSING.

SO THEY'RE OFFERING RIGHT NOW ABOUT 156 CARS INTERNAL STACKING WHAT WE CAN DO IF SITUATIONS GETS WORSE.

AND WE'RE GOING TO PUT THAT AS A CONDITION, MAYBE EXTEND THAT RIGHT TURN LANE EVEN FARTHER OUT IF WE NEED TO AS PART OF ANOTHER OPTION.

SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OPTIONS.

SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT ALL THOSE.

YES SIR. RIGHT. THOSE SPECS.

YES SIR. ALL RIGHT. CARRY ON I, I HAVE, I KNOW I HAVE DOCTOR KNIGHT THERE.

RIGHT. AND I WANTED TO ASK HER SOME QUESTIONS REGARDING BUSSING.

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SO COULD YOU STAND FAST FOR A SECOND? CAN YOU? I SAW YOU TURNED IN A SPEAKER CARD.

MA'AM, DID YOU COME ON UP? AND WE ALSO HAVE DAN HOGAN SPEAK ON.

SPEAK ON THE MIC, MA'AM.

DOCTOR MONICA KNIGHT, 119 SUNSET DRIVE, COCOA BEACH, FLORIDA.

PROUD TEN YEAR PRINCIPAL AND A LEADER IN ODYSSEY SCHOOLS IN PALM BAY.

YEAH. YES, MA'AM.

SO MY QUESTION, AS YOU HEARD MR. WATANABE, HE'S HE'S TALKING ABOUT MORE STACKING VEHICLES AND AND EVEN EXPANDING THAT BECAUSE YOU POTENTIALLY THERE'S 800 STUDENTS AT THAT POINT.

BUT I THINK WHAT PART OF THE EQUATION IS THE BUSSING? I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS GO AHEAD, SIR.

DID YOU HAVE SOME SPECS? YEAH. DAN HOGAN, 2071 GOLDWATER COURT, MAITLAND, FLORIDA.

THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR KIND OF THIS WHOLE PROJECT OWNERS REP.

I THINK I COULD OFFER SOME INSIGHT THAT CAN KIND OF TIE IT ALL TOGETHER WITH, THANK YOU BOTH OUR REQUESTED VARIANCES.

SO OBVIOUSLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CAN YOU SPEAK ON THE MIC? SO JUST FOR THE RECORD, THERE THERE WE GO.

THANK YOU. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE STACKING, YOU GUYS.

WE DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO PUT IT TOGETHER UNTIL TODAY.

THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL COPY OF THE THIRD PAGE.

THERE IS A STACKING DIAGRAM, WHICH, OBVIOUSLY THE IDEA IS TO KEEP THE TRAFFIC OF THE SCHOOL OFF THE CITY ROADS DURING ARRIVAL AND DISMISSAL.

THAT'S A KNOWN PROBLEM WITH EVERY SCHOOL.

AND EXCUSE ME AS MR. WATANABE DESCRIBED YOU, YOU CAN SEE THE NUMBERS FOR THE STACKING UP IN THE CORNER UP THERE.

AND AS YOU JUST TOUCHED ON, WHICH IS KIND OF UNIQUE TO ODYSSEY SCHOOLS, IS THEY DO HAVE THE BUS SYSTEM WHERE 50% OF THE STUDENTS FOR THE SCHOOL WILL BE BUSSED. AND THEN WE HAVE VERY ADEQUATE STACKING.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THE LITTLE DEPICTIONS OF THE CARS GOING THROUGH AS HE WAS DISCUSSING, THERE'S ONE LANE COMING IN, TWO GOING OUT, DOUBLE DROP OFF.

THAT'S ALL WITH KIND OF IN THE OPERATIONS OF THE SCHOOL, WHICH DOCTOR MCKNIGHT CAN SPEAK TO MORE IN DEPTH.

BUT THE WAY IT TIES TOGETHER.

SO WE HAVE A SCHOOL THAT'S GOING TO SERVICE 794, 794 STUDENTS IN THE COMMUNITY.

IT'S A PUBLIC SCHOOL.

AND THIS PARCEL OF LAND IN ORDER TO SERVE THOSE STUDENTS, IT'S KIND OF PART OF BOTH OUR VARIANCES.

WE'VE GONE TO A TWO STORY BUILDING.

WE'VE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT TO SQUEEZE ALL OF OUR TRAFFIC BASICALLY ONTO THE CAMPUS.

AND THEN OBVIOUSLY, A BIG PART OF HAVING A SCHOOL IS THE BALL FIELD, WHICH IS GOING TO BE K THROUGH EIGHT SCHOOL, WHICH SAYS FFSA, IT'S THE FHSAA, THE GOVERNING BODY OF SPORTS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

TO MEET THOSE DIMENSIONS, IT PUTS US IN A SQUEEZE ON THE SOUTH PART OF THE PROPERTY THERE.

SO IF YOU TAKE ALL THOSE FACTORS AND AT GREAT COST TO THE SCHOOL TO GO TWO STORIES RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, HAVING SINGLE STORY BUILDING.

SO WE'VE PLAYED WITH THIS FOR A EIGHT MONTHS, PROBABLY MORE, TRYING TO FIT EVERYTHING IN WITH LEAST ENCUMBRANCE ON THE COMMUNITY WHILE STILL ACHIEVING THE SUCCESSFUL PROGRAMING OF THE SCHOOL.

SO I THINK I KIND OF TOUCHED ON ALL THE POINTS, BUT THIS, THIS, THIS ENCROACHING ON THIS VARIANCE THIS VARIANCE ENCROACHING INTO THE SETBACK WILL ALLOW US TO ACCOMMODATE THE STACKING AS WELL AS THE BALL FIELD.

OKAY. THANK YOU SIR.

YES. GO AHEAD MA'AM. WE ALSO HAVE AN AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAM.

AND SO THAT ALSO TAKES CHILDREN WHO WOULD STAY AFTER SCHOOL.

SO IF YOU DO THE MATH THE STACKING IS ACTUALLY REALLY ADEQUATE.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MA'AM, I APPRECIATE ANY QUESTIONS.

DEPUTY MAYOR. COUNCIL.

JUST JUST ONE DOCTOR NIGHT.

GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN, MA'AM.

ANY FUTURE PLANS? POTENTIALLY ON K THROUGH 12 OR TOO EARLY TO TELL.

SEE HOW THIS GOES. ODYSSEY LOVES PALM BAY.

I WORE THE POWER OF THE TEAM SHIRT SO WE COULD ALL BE A TEAM.

WE ARE A MEMBER OF THIS COMMUNITY AND HAVE BEEN FOR OVER 25 YEARS, AND SO WE ARE SUPER EXCITED ABOUT OUR CONTINUED GROWTH.

AND IF THAT IS YOUR OBJECTIVE, I'M SURE THAT THAT CAN BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ALSO CONSIDER.

THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU.

WELL, SHE'S YOUR TEACHER SIR.

NO NO NO.

BUT I VISITED ODYSSEY CHARTER SEVERAL TIMES.

I LOVE WHAT THEY DO. SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU MA'AM, I WAS BEING FACETIOUS, I KNOW YOU, I WAS YOUR CHILD'S PRINCIPAL, THOUGH I REMEMBER.

YEAH, I REMEMBER.

GO AHEAD. PUT MY AGE OUT THERE.

THANK YOU MA'AM, THANK YOU KINDLY.

THANK YOU. ANY SPEAKER CARDS? YES, MAYOR.

ONE SECOND. YES, HELEN.

MISS HELEN? YES.

SHE WAS A PART OF THE.

WHO IS IT? HELEN.

MULLIS. HELEN MULLIS.

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HELEN MULLIS.

OKAY. OKAY.

MR.. BATTEN. BILL BATTEN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

FIRST, I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT HAVING PAPERWORK IN EARLIER, BUT THE PAPERWORK I PRINTED OUT AT MY HOUSE FOR THE AGENDA DIDN'T HAVE THIS ONE LISTED AS QUASI JUDICIAL.

SO I'M APOLOGIZING FOR NOT BEING PREPPED BETTER THAN I NORMALLY AM.

THE FIRST THING I'M ON THIS HEARING PUBLIC HEARING NUMBER FOUR, 9.5FT OF A 25 FOOT SETBACK.

THAT'S 38% ROUGHLY, RIGHT.

SO MY SUGGESTION IS JUST MAKE MAKE IT A PRACTICE FIELD, NOT A SANCTIONED FIELD.

AND THEN WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE FOR YOUR SANCTIONED GAMES, THEY'D BE ABLE TO GO TO FRED POPPY PARK WHO ARE ALREADY PAYING SOME NATURAL AMOUNT OF MONEY TO HAVE SOCCER FIELDS, AND WE'LL HAVE MORE INTERACTION WITH THE ACTIVITY AND WILL ALSO GENERATE SOME FUNDS COMING INTO THE CITY OFF OF OUR ATHLETIC FIELDS.

SO MAKE IT A SMALLER FIELD.

THEY CAN HAVE THEIR PRACTICES AT SCHOOL LIKE THEY NEED TO, BUT THEN USE THE SANCTION FIELDS THAT ARE THE CITY'S SANCTION FIELDS FOR THEIR ACTUAL GAMES.

SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.

I'M JUST TRYING TO SAVE SOME MONEY AND STOP HAVING CONTRACTORS GET VARIANCES TO MAKE SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE GUIDELINES FOR.

THE USAGE OF THE PARK WOULD WOULD COME INTO QUESTION AS THAT COMES ABOUT.

SO ANY ANYONE ELSE SPEAKING BECAUSE YOU'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, YOU KNOW, COME AND ADDRESS THAT PROJECT MANAGER. YES, SIR.

SIR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME BACK UP AND ADDRESS THAT? DAN HOGAN, 2071 GOLDWATER COURT, MAITLAND, FLORIDA.

THAT THAT POINT IS WELL TAKEN, BUT FAIRLY.

THE SCHOOL IS PURCHASING THIS LAND, AND IF THEY WERE SUBJECT TO A THIRD PARTY HAVING TO APPROVE THEIR PROGRAMING, IT PROBABLY TAKES THEM OUT OF THE RUNNING FOR, YOU KNOW, BEING A PART OF THE VARIOUS LEAGUES AND ACTIVITIES.

THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO SCHEDULE THEIR OWN STUFF HERE.

AND IT'S DOCTOR KNIGHT, IT'S THEIR PART OF THE LEAGUE WITH THE OTHER SCHOOLS AND AND IF I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD IMPACT.

I'M NOT ACUTELY AWARE OF HOW THE PROGRAMING WORKS FOR THE PUBLIC PARKS, BUT IT'S A IT'S A SMALL ASK ON THE, THE VARIANCE THERE FOR RESTRICTION THAT IS IN EXCESS OF THE MORE COMMON STANDARD ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY.

THANK YOU SIR.

ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS COUNCIL? I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK FOR A MOTION.

SO MOVED. SECOND, GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX COUNCILMAN.

YES, SIR. DEPUTY MAYOR.

MAYOR, I'D JUST LIKE TO ADD, I WELCOME THE THE PROJECT I THINK ODYSSEY.

THIS THIS SCHOOL REALLY MEANS A LOT TO OUR COMMUNITY.

MY TWO, TWO KIDS WENT THROUGH THE, YOU KNOW OVER IN BAYSIDE.

THEY STARTED THERE. AND I THINK THE WHAT YOU GUYS OFFERED, IT'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

IT'S GREAT.

AND THE FACT THAT YOU TAKE IN CONSIDERATION FROM PREVIOUS CHALLENGES WE HAVE WITH OTHER INSTITUTIONS TOOK THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, PRESENTED A GREAT, GREAT PROJECT AS IT IS.

AND I CERTAINLY WELCOME THAT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CONSIDERING OUR COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU. I SUPPORT THIS PROJECT AS WELL.

I TRUST FRANK'S GOING TO STAY ON TOP OF THAT WITH THE STACKING.

BECAUSE WE HAVE LEARNED AND AGAIN, I WANT TO ECHO WHAT DEPUTY MAYOR SAID.

YOU ACTUALLY TOOK ONE OF OUR CHALLENGES, AND YOU ENHANCED THAT CAPACITY WITHIN YOUR OWN BORDERS.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING I.

WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

I'M OPENING THE PUBLIC HEARING.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME BACK UP, SIR? DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER SPEAKER? OKAY. GO AHEAD. WE'VE GOT SPEAKERS.

YEAH, WELL, THEY STILL THEY GOT A CARD AS WELL, SO.

OKAY. ADDING THINGS.

DID YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING TO.

YES, MA'AM. NUMBER AS A SCHOOL WITH A MISSION ON FOCUSING ON THE WHOLE CHILD, THE SOCIAL, EMOTIONAL, ACADEMIC AND PHYSICAL DEVELOPMENT OF CHILDREN.

WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A CAMPUS THAT ALLOWS FOR THAT.

SO CLERESTORIES WITH NATURAL LIGHT COMING IN TO OUR BUILDING IS ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THE VARIANCE.

HOWEVER, THE OTHER REASON IS, IS THAT NATURALLY, WITH THE WAY THAT SCHOOLS ARE BUILT NOW, THERE'S A LOT MORE INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO TO BE ABLE TO ACCOUNT FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT DIFFERENTIAL IS CRUCIALLY IMPORTANT.

THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU.

ANY SPEAKER CARDS, MR.

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BATON? BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST. ONE MORE TIME ON THIS ONE, WITH A SMALLER SOCCER FIELD THAT WOULD HAVE PROVIDED MORE ROOM FOR A LARGER BUILDING SO THEY WOULD NOT HAVE TO ASK FOR A VARIANCE TO GO VERTICAL.

INSTEAD, THEY COULD EXPAND OUTWARD.

RIGHT. SO WHICH WOULD HAVE ELIMINATED ALL OF THE VARIANCE REQUESTS FROM A BUILDER? THAT BEING SAID, I ALSO APPRECIATE WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THE STACKING OF THE WITHIN THEIR ON THEIR CAMPUS AND THE FACT OF MINIMIZING THE TRAFFIC IMPACT.

I SEE IT, I APPRECIATE IT.

I WAS JUST TRYING TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY, WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE BUILDING AND CONTRACTORS ASKING FOR VARIANCES IN ORDER TO PROCEED WITH THE RULES THAT WE HAVE SET DOWN IN OUR CHARTERS OR OUR OUR ORDINANCES.

ANY OTHER SPEAKER CARDS, DEPUTY MAYOR? NO, SIR. OKAY.

I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SO MOVED. SECOND, GOT GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

ANYTHING TO ADD? GENTLEMAN? NO, SIR. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I.

GO BACK TO CONSENT. OKAY, SO WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER THREE.

ITEM NUMBER SIX.

OH, IT WAS CONTINUED.

GO BACK TO CONSENT.

CONSENT. THE.

YES, IT APPEARS SO.

ITEM WAS CONTINUED AT THE PNC.

SO WE DON'T HAVE IT.

WE'LL HAVE THIS SEPTEMBER, SEPTEMBER 16TH.

MASTER CHIEF, WE'RE NOW ON CONSENT ITEM NUMBER THREE.

[CONSIDERATION OF ITEMS REMOVED FROM CONSENT AGENDA:]

COUNCILMAN JOHNSON AND I WANTED TO ADD SOMETHING TO IT.

YES, SIR. GO AHEAD. OH, SORRY.

YES, THREE IS A RESOLUTION.

CARRY ON AS YOUR CARRY ON.

RESOLUTION 2024, DASH 23, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA.

PURCHASING AND ACQUIRING PROPERTY AS RECORDED IN PLAT BOOK THREE, PAGE 84.

PUBLIC RECORDS OF BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER THREE.

COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. THANK YOU.

MAYOR. I ALLUDED TO LAST WEEK, I ALLUDED TO SOME LIKE, THE VISION I HAD FOR THE EVANS CENTER.

I'M EXCITED ABOUT US PURCHASING IT.

I JUST WANTED TO SHOW A QUICK VIDEO AND THEN KIND OF ELABORATE ON WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.

A 305? YEAH, VIBE 305.

SO JUST FOR THE PUBLIC AND FOR EVERYBODY TO CHECK OUT.

I WAS TOLD THAT I DON'T SMOKE IN FRONT OF THE FAMILY.

I HIDE IT BECAUSE I'M ASHAMED OF.

YEAH, THAT'S A COMMERCIAL. WE GOT TO WAIT FOR THE.

NOT ONLY DO YOU HIDE IT FROM YOURSELF, BUT YOU HIDE IT FROM THE PEOPLE THAT LOVE YOU.

I AM GOING TO KICK THIS.

LOADS. IF NOT, I'LL TALK ON IT.

ALL RIGHT, WELL, EITHER WAY, I'LL PAINT THE PICTURE FOR EVERYBODY IF IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK.

EATING TIME AND OKAY, EATING TIME AND ENERGY TO EMPOWER YOUTH AND TO HELP MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

A NEW NONPROFIT IS REACHING OUT TO HELP AT RISK INNER CITY KIDS.

LOCAL TEN NEWS REPORTER MARC JACKMAN MET WITH THE GROUP ABOUT THEIR WORK.

REPORTER. THERE'S A NEW FRANCHISE IN TOWN, AND IT'S RUN BY YOUNG UP AND COMERS.

THE VIBE 305 CAFE IS PART OF A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION CALLED EMPOWERED YOUTH, DEDICATED TO ENHANCING THE LIVES OF INNER CITY, AT RISK YOUNG MEN.

LIKE BEING. BEFORE I STARTED THE PROGRAM WAS REALLY HARD BECAUSE I REALLY DIDN'T HAVE THE PARENTS THERE TO GUIDE ME.

I WAS THERE ALL BY MYSELF FROM 12 TO 19 YEARS OLD.

MOST PARTICIPANTS ARE REFERRED TO THE PROGRAM THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF JUVENILE JUSTICE.

11 YEARS OLD 11 YEARS OLD.

I STARTED I WAS SELLING DRUGS AND I STARTED FROM THE BOTTOM TO SELLING DRUGS WHEN I WAS TEN YEARS OLD, SELLING EVERYTHING THERE WAS TO SELL.

NOW, THESE YOUNG MEN ARE EMPLOYEES AT THE FOOD TRUCK AND GET PAID.

I STARTED THE PROGRAM TO SO I COULD CHANGE SOME SOME OF MY DECISIONS NOT TO TO CHANGE MY LIFE.

PROFESSIONALS AND MENTORS DONATE TIME AND ENERGY TO MAKE THE PROGRAM WHAT IT IS.

EVERY DAY WE COME IN, I'M TRAINING THEM ON HOW TO GET THE RESTAURANT STARTED.

I'M TRAINING THEM ON INVENTORY RECIPE DEVELOPMENT.

NOW, THIS IS ONLY ONE OF THREE COMPONENTS THAT COMPRISE THE EMPOWERED YOUTH JOB DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM.

THE PROGRAM BEGINS WITH SIX MONTHS OF CHARACTER BUILDING AND LIFE SKILLS, AND THE JOB DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM IS A REWARD FOR THOSE COMMITTED TO MAKING A CHANGE.

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MY NEXT STEP IS I'M GETTING MY DIPLOMA AND GOING AND HEADING TO COLLEGE IN DOWNTOWN MIAMI.

I'M MARK JACKSON, LOCAL TEN NEWS.

AND MARK SAYS THAT 87% OF THE GRADUATES OF THE EMPOWERED YOUTH PROGRAM STAY OUT OF THE JUVENILE JUSTICE SYSTEM TO LEARN MORE.

AND IF YOU WANT TO DONATE, GO TO LOCAL 10.COM.

SO IT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, SUMS IT UP ITSELF ON WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR FOR THE EVANS CENTER.

ORIGINALLY I WAS LOOKING MORE TOWARDS THE HOMELESS.

I HEARD WHAT YOU SAID, MAYOR, IN REGARDS TO THE YOUTH, I'VE ALSO BEEN READING MORE.

IT TALKS ABOUT THE FATHERLESS AND THE NEEDY AND THE WIDOWS.

AND HERE WE HAVE A CHANCE TO ALLEVIATE THE ISSUES OUR POLICE HAVE WITH.

IT'S MOSTLY THE YOUTH.

THE PAST FEW MURDERS HAVE BEEN CHILDREN KILLING THEIR PARENTS.

LIKE, THAT'S THAT'S IF THAT DOESN'T WAKE YOU UP AND MAKE YOU WANT TO READ REVELATIONS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS.

BUT LIKE WE HAVE OUR OPPORTUNITY.

WE HAVE THE FACILITY, WE HAVE NONPROFITS THAT ARE MORE THAN CAPABLE TO MEET THIS.

AND WE DON'T WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT A LIMIT ON IT.

WE CAN EXPAND IT TO HVAC.

WE CAN EXPAND IT TO LIKE PLACES LIKE OIL LUBE EXPRESS OR MARKS AUTO TIRES, BECAUSE THERE'S PLENTY OF BUSINESSES THAT ARE HURTING FOR EMPLOYEES.

AND THESE KIDS, THEY THEY THEY NEED DISCIPLINE.

AND THERE'S SOMETHING IN THEM STILL THAT RECOGNIZES THAT.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE JUST GOT TO MAKE SURE WE DO WHAT WE CAN AS A CITY, AS A COMMUNITY, TO TRY TO REDUCE RECIDIVISM AND INCREASE OPPORTUNITIES.

SO I SUPPORT THIS ALREADY, MAYOR, BUT I KIND OF JUST WANT TO GIVE STAFF IDEA AND COUNCIL IDEA OF WHERE I FEEL WILL BE BEST SUITED.

THIS IS SOMETHING I CAN SEE SHERIFF IVEY GETTING BEHIND.

THE STATE ATTORNEY GETTING BEHIND THIS IS THIS IS A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT THAT EVERYBODY CAN CONTRIBUTE, AND WE CAN LOWER CRIME IN PALM BAY AND INCREASE OUR OPPORTUNITIES.

SO THAT'S ALL, MAYOR. YEAH.

AND AND THE REASON I WOULD HAVE PULLED IT IS BECAUSE I WANT TO I WANT TO GET IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, WE NEED TO START THE RFI PRO OPPORTUNITY LIKE RIGHT AWAY.

YES, SIR. SO WE SHOULDN'T HESITATE FOR THIS.

WE IT SHOULD GO IF WE'RE WE'RE APPROVING THIS, THEN WE SHOULD GIVE THE CITY MANAGER THE AUTHORITY TO, YOU KNOW, GET STAFF TO WORK ON GETTING SOME OF THESE PROJECTS, SEEING WHAT THOSE 501 C THREES.

AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE THE LAST MEETING THE SEA CADETS PROGRAMS LIKE THAT ARE WHAT HELP, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE CHILDREN THAT I GREW UP WITH IN THE BRONX, RIGHT.

AND SO THOSE TYPE OF PROGRAMS GIVE OUR YOUTH AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE FOCUSED.

THEY HAVE A LOT OF ENERGY.

I'D RATHER HAVE THEM FOCUSED ON A POSITIVE ENERGY.

RIGHT. AND AND SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS.

BUT THANK YOU FOR THAT.

PERHAPS INSTEAD OF PROJECT 305 321.

RIGHT. BUT.

RIGHT. RIGHT. BYE.

DID WE PULL THE ITEM AS WELL? OH, OKAY. OH, CARRY ON, MISS SHERMAN.

THANK YOU. SIR. I WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO ASK FOR SOME DIRECTION, SO I APPRECIATE IT.

WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE.

DO YOU WANT. I GUESS THE QUESTION I HAVE IS WE CAN DO A TRADITIONAL RFI AND REQUEST, YOU KNOW, JUST A BROAD RANGE OF NONPROFIT RESPONSES TO USES OF THE BUILDING.

WE CAN BE VERY SPECIFIC TO ONLY YOUTH PROGRAMS AS AN EXAMPLE BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

WE COULD ALSO HOLD ON DEVELOPING AN RFI IF YOU WANTED US TO WORK, LIKE SPECIFICALLY WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, TO TRY TO SEE IF WE COULD GENERATE SOME INTEREST IN A PROGRAM THAT MAYBE DOESN'T EXIST YET.

SO JUST KIND OF A SENSE OF WHERE YOU WOULD LIKE US TO BE.

I MEAN, AN RFI, THEORETICALLY, I GUESS, WOULD GET US MORE RESPONSES MORE RAPIDLY, BUT IF YOU WANTED US TO NARROW IT TO TO A TOPIC LIKE THE YOUTH, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. I LIKE THE YOUTH COMPONENT TO IT.

IF YOU DON'T MIND, LET ME JUST.

AND THEN YOU GUYS SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS.

I LIKE THE YOUTH COMPONENT TO THIS.

RIGHT. AND THEN WIDE RANGE.

AND THEN WE COULD COME BACK AND SELECT WHAT WE FEEL WOULD BE THE BEST FIT.

BUT CERTAINLY THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

I KNOW THE SHERIFF HAS A FARM AS WELL, THAT FOR YOUTH.

RIGHT. RIGHT. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT HOW THAT WOULD FIT, BUT CERTAINLY ANYONE SHOULD BE WELCOME TO TO BRING A PROGRAM.

I DO LOVE DRILLING.

YES. I'M BIASED.

I LOVE THE SEA CADETS.

I LOVE THAT TYPE OF DISCIPLINE THAT IS INSTILLED IN IN THE SEA CADETS AND THE YOUNG MARINES.

SO I'M I'M OPEN, GENTLEMEN, BUT I DO FEEL THAT IT'S IT SHOULD BE LIKE OUR YOUTH.

YES, SIR. THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS.

AND I JUST FEEL SIMULTANEOUSLY, WE CAN REACH OUT TO THE STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE FOR OUR LOCATION, BECAUSE I'M SURE THEY HAVE A CONTACT DOWN IN MIAMI, SO THEY.

IT CAN JUST BE A MATTER OF CUT, COPY AND PASTE AND JUST, YOU KNOW, MODIFY A FEW THINGS TO FIT.

PALM BAY. SO, DEPUTY MAYOR, YEAH, I THINK I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH EVERYTHING YOU GUYS SAID, ESPECIALLY YOUTH FOCUS.

FOCUS. BUT INSTEAD OF PUTTING IT OUT THERE FOR ENOUGH RFI IT'S US.

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MAYBE BASED ON THE DIRECTION, THE VISION, WHY DON'T WE CUSTOMIZE OUR OWN SPECIFICALLY AT THE BITS AND PIECES THAT WE SEE FIT FOR OUR COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF, YEAH, THE ASPECT OF THE THE CULINARY PROGRAM, MAYBE VOCATIONAL, SOME OF THE VOCATIONAL THAT FIT OR THE DEMAND WILL BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE DEMAND.

CURRENTLY, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY THE THE ALL SCHOOL SCHOOL BOARD ALREADY HAVE SOME STUFF IN PLACE FOR THE YOU OF GEARING TO THE YOUTH.

MAYBE WE CAN THAT WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND JUST TO ANOTHER SITE.

YEAH. SO I MY MAYOR WHAT I WOULD SAY IT'S US CUSTOMIZED BASED ON WHAT THE DIRECTION WE GIVE TONIGHT.

HAVE STAFF PUT TOGETHER SPECIFICALLY AS TO WHAT WE NEED, OR REACH OUT TO THE EXISTING AGENCY THAT ALREADY SERVICE AND MAKE OUR OWN INSTEAD OF PUTTING IT OUT THERE.

AND THEN WE MAY HAVE TO WAIT 90 DAYS AND HAVING SOME VERSION OF WHAT WE MAY WANT, BUT NOT THE WHOLE PICTURE.

WE'VE BEEN DOWN THERE BEFORE.

BUT CERTAINLY WITH WITH THE ARPA MONEY, I'M STILL SITTING UNSATISFIED.

HOW HOW THAT MONEY WAS SPENT.

BUT BUT BUT LET'S SAY, YOU KNOW, I'D SAY HAVE STAFF.

I MEAN, STAFF.

PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER, CUSTOMIZE SOMETHING AND GO FROM THERE.

NO. GO AHEAD.

MAIER. I'M SORRY. YOU KNOW, I'M. I'M GOOD WITH THAT.

THE THE WHAT KEEPS COMING TO MIND IS WE WE'RE HAVING A PROBLEM GETTING A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT SAINT JOHN'S? RIGHT. PARKWAY AND AND MALABAR ROAD.

AND THAT WAS A WIDE OPEN BID JUST TO, YOU KNOW, TO PUT UP THE TRAFFIC LIGHT AND THEN THE, THE THE ROAD EXPANSION.

RIGHT. AND THOSE DETAILS.

SO MY CONCERN WOULD BE IS THAT WE, WE WASTE TIME WITH NO RFI OPPORTUNITIES.

BUT I'M GOOD EITHER WAY.

I THINK EITHER PROJECT IS GOOD.

I JUST WANT YOU TO BE AWARE THAT IF WE IF WE TAILOR IT TOO MUCH, WE MAY NOT GET MUCH TRACTION.

SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS, BUT I'M FINE EITHER WAY, GENTLEMEN.

OR WE CAN TAKE, YOU KNOW, OVER THE NEXT WEEK, LIKE I'M ALREADY.

I WAS THINKING CULINARY HVAC AND AUTO, THOSE VOCATIONS.

BUT YEAH, WE CAN START SHOOTING EMAILS TO THE CITY MANAGER.

LIKE IF YOU. YOU SAID SEA CADETS BECAUSE MY DAD PRIDES HIMSELF ON THE DISCIPLINE THAT THE MILITARY GAVE HIM.

YES, SIR. SO THAT CAN BE INCLUDED IN IT.

YOU KNOW, DEPUTY MAYOR, WHATEVER YOU'RE THINKING OF, WE CAN ADD THAT TO IT, TOO.

SO OVER THE COURSE OF A WEEK.

YEAH, BECAUSE IT GIVES THAT OR JUST BLANKET VOCATIONAL AND MILITARY.

WELL, KEEP IN MIND WHAT THEY WERE SAYING.

THEY WERE SAYING THIS WAS A REWARD.

RIGHT? THE GUYS THAT WEREN'T INTO THE FOOD INDUSTRY OR THAT CULINARY INDUSTRY, THAT WAS A REWARD FOR ONCE THEY COMPLETED A CERTAIN PROJECT.

SO THAT THAT WAS LIKE WHAT I, WHAT I FELT THAT DISCIPLINE IS WHAT THEY WERE INSTILLING IN THEM BEFORE THEY TAKE THAT OTHER STEP.

SO IT MAY LOOK LIKE SEA CADETS TO ME, BUT THAT'S STILL A DISCIPLINE AS A REWARD.

SO I'M GOOD EITHER WAY.

IF WE COULD HONE IN IN I THINK THAT.

COUNCIL PREFERS TO IT BE KIND OF LIKE VOCATION HVAC MANUFACTURING.

GENTLEMEN, REMEMBER, WE HAVE SHAPES RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD.

SURE. AND THEY'RE MANUFACTURING PARTS FOR THE F 35.

SO CERTAINLY THOSE TYPE OF PROGRAMS, IF YOU LIKE, WHAT WE CAN DO BECAUSE IT LISTENING TO YOUR COMMENTS AND KNOWING ALSO THAT THE EVANS CENTER DOES SORT OF BY DEFAULT HAVE A LOT OF THESE CULINARY RELATED FEATURES, RIGHT, BECAUSE OF THE WALK IN FREEZER REFRIGERATOR AREA AND THE KITCHEN.

WE CAN CRAFT AN SOME DRAFT RFP LANGUAGE THAT KIND OF TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION EVERYTHING YOU'VE SAID.

WE CAN BRING THAT BACK IF YOU WANT, AT THE AUGUST 1ST COUNCIL MEETING.

IT WOULDN'T TAKE MUCH TO PUT THAT TOGETHER.

AND THEN IF IT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE IT MEETS YOUR EXPECTATIONS, WE CAN GET THE PROCESS GOING, IF YOU'D LIKE.

OKAY. ALSO, A QUESTION FROM STAFF IS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THIS AS YOU'RE TALKING, ARE YOU OPEN TO THIS BEING BOTH NONPROFIT AND FOR PROFIT COMPANIES, AGENCIES THAT COULD RESPOND, OR WOULD YOU LIKE IT TO BE ONLY NON-PROFITS? YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU START THINKING ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE AT RISK KIDS, WOULD THE COST BE PASSED ON TO THEM? BECAUSE THAT THAT'S THAT'S WHY I'M THINKING NONPROFIT.

BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO CONCENTRATE ON ON THE AT RISK KIDS, THEN IT SHOULD BE A NONPROFIT. IN MY EYES.

I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GUYS FEEL, BUT NO, I CAN'T IMAGINE THEY'RE MAKING NOW.

THEY'RE NOW THEY COULD BE SELF-SUSTAINING.

THE NOW, THE NONPROFIT COULD DEFINITELY BE SELF-SUSTAINING BECAUSE BUT FOR THEM TO TO CHARGE CHILDREN TO, TO DISCIPLINE THEM AND GIVE THEM A SENSE OF WORTH.

AND I THINK WE'RE SETTING OURSELVES UP FOR FAILURE.

YEAH. IF I MAY ADD MAYOR, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DID WORK AT THAT LOCATION WHEN WHEN IT WAS OPENED AS A

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MARKET WAS THE HARTFORD SECTION OF IT.

THAT SECTION OF IT, THAT'S WHAT CARRIED ON THE BUSINESS FOR MANY YEARS.

MY OFFICE IS RIGHT DOWN THE STREET.

COUNTLESS TIME MY MY COLLEAGUE RANDY FOSTER, I CAN'T REMEMBER COUNTLESS TIME WE WENT OVER THERE ON PURPOSE JUST TO SUPPORT THE BUSINESS, JUST TO GRAB A, YOU KNOW, A PLATE OF FOOD.

SO HAVING THAT COMPONENT THERE, YES, WE CAN KEEP IT NONPROFIT.

YOU CERTAINLY THERE'S A COST FOR SELF-SUSTAINED THEY DON'T YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT MARKET RATE WHERE THERE'S A 40% MARKUP, THEY CAN KEEP IT AT THE JUST LOW LEVEL. THAT COMPONENT MUST BE THE CENTER OF WHAT GOES THERE BECAUSE IT DID WORK.

YEAH. SO I, I'M WITH YOU.

SO WE GOT TO KEEP THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

THAT COMPONENT GIVE THAT OPPORTUNITY AS THEY SERVING THE THAT THAT YOUTH AND THE SERVING COMMUNITY AT THE SAME TIME.

CERTAINLY WOULD BE ONE OF THEIR CHAMPIONS.

GO OVER THERE FOR LUNCH ALL THE TIME.

SO. SO IS THAT CLEAR, MA'AM? IN OTHER WORDS, SELF-SUSTAINING.

BUT CERTAINLY NOT FOR THEM TO.

I THINK THAT HELPS. THAT'S GOOD.

WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO YOU AT THE AUGUST 1ST.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT.

ALL RIGHT. SO I NEED A MOTION.

SO MOVED. SECOND, GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

GREAT DISCUSSION, GENTLEMEN.

THANK YOU FOR THE OUTSIDE.

I'M GOOD. MAYOR. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I.

WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

DEPUTY OR COUNCILMAN? NO, I WAS JUST LOOKING FOR.

OH, AS YOU WERE.

RESOLUTION 2024.

THAT'S 24.

A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING RESOLUTION 2023.

THAT'S 35, AS AMENDED BY RESOLUTIONS 2024, DASH 402 AND 20 2413, ADOPTING THE CLASSIFICATION AND PAY PLANS AND THE POSITION CONTROL PLAN FOR EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY FOR FISCAL YEAR 2023 THROUGH 2024.

RESCINDING RESOLUTIONS OR PARTS OF RESOLUTIONS IN CONFLICT HEREWITH PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

I'M NOT SURE IF STAFF WAS ABLE TO GET IT OR GET THE ANSWER FOR THAT OR NOT WAS THE TOTAL DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR THE SALARIES.

NO, THE ONLY QUESTION.

WERE YOU OKAY? NOT YET. SIR. I'M SORRY.

I KNOW LARRY WENT TO HIS OFFICE TO TRY TO PULL THAT FOR YOU.

OKAY. BECAUSE WE'VE GOT YOUR EMAIL.

SO THE LAST THE.

THIS IS ABOUT THE THIRD QUARTER POSITION CHANGES.

SO THE LAST MEETING WE HAD, THE ITEM THAT WAS ALL THE FISCAL IMPACT OF THE THIRD QUARTER CHANGES, BUT IT DIDN'T HAVE A SEPARATION OF THE PERSONNEL COSTS.

SO I COULDN'T GET THAT TO YOU QUICKLY.

OKAY. I KNOW HE'S WORKING ON IT, SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THAT FOR YOU.

IS IT? I'LL GET IT WHEN I GET IT.

SO THAT'S ALL RIGHT OKAY.

OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY.

SO MOVED. SECOND, GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

WITH FIVE, SIX, SEVEN AND EIGHT.

AYE. ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

DEPUTY OR COUNCILMAN.

JOHNSON. YES, MAYOR.

I'LL SAY THE SAME COMMENT AS FOR ALL FOUR OF THEM.

OKAY. YOU KNOW, IT WAS MENTIONED BY MR. MORRIS AND IT'S MENTIONED IN OUR CHARTER.

YOU KNOW, PUBLIC SAFETY IS OUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY.

AND THE THE SCHOOL BOARD RECEIVES SEPARATE TAXES FROM THE TAXPAYERS.

BUT I SEE THIS WE'RE TAKING MEN OFF MEN AND WOMEN OFF THE OFF THE STREETS TO GO INTO THE SCHOOLS.

AND WITH THAT, I LIKE THAT THEY'RE PUTTING, YOU KNOW, SOME MONEY TO IT AND THEY'RE PUTTING MORE MONEY TOWARDS IT.

BUT I THINK IT SHOULD ACTUALLY BE MAJORITY.

I THINK IT SHOULD BE ALL, IF NOT MAJORITY, WELL OVER MAJORITY BECAUSE RIGHT HERE THEY'RE GOING UP.

THEY'RE COMMITTING INCREASE OF 3500 PER SRO, BUT WE STILL HAVE TO COVER THE REMAINING COSTS, WHICH LET ME SEE.

THE ESTIMATED TOTAL COST IS 312.

AND MADAM SHERMAN, THEY'RE COVERING 216 OR.

YES. LET ME SEE HERE.

YES. SO THE TOTAL ESTIMATED COST FOR THE THREE POSITIONS FOR THE FIRST.

I'M SORRY FOR THE FIRST ITEM THAT WE'RE ON.

I KNOW THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT MEMOS HERE, BUT THE FIRST ONE FOR THE THREE POSITIONS AT BAYSIDE HERITAGE AND SOUTHWEST, THE TOTAL COST TO THE CITY IS $312,840. THE AMOUNT THAT THE SCHOOL BOARD COMMITS IS $216,000 OR $72,000 PER POSITION.

SO WE COVER THE BALANCE OF THAT.

YEAH. SO I WOULD HONESTLY LIKE TO SEE US TRY TO NEGOTIATE OR TRY TO INCREASE THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR BECAUSE WE'RE TAKING AWAY WE HAD THE PRESENTATION LAST WEEK OF THE NEEDS AND HOW WE NEED TO GET MORE, MORE OFFICERS ON THE STREETS.

AND NOW, YOU KNOW, SCHOOL BOARD HAS THEIR TAXES JUST LIKE WE HAVE OURS.

BUT THERE'S A SPECIFICALLY FOR THE SCHOOLS.

OURS IS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE CITY.

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NOW, THE SCHOOLS DO RESIDE IN THE CITY, SO I UNDERSTAND, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO LOOK TO SEE WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO BE, AS YOU KNOW, FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE AS POSSIBLE. SO I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.

I KNOW I PULLED ALL OF THEM, BUT I JUST REALLY WANTED TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION ON THE FIRST ONE.

AND THEN BASED OFF THAT MOVE FORWARD, WHETHER WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, JUST MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS OR, HEY, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN NEGOTIATE AND TRY TO GET A HIGHER AMOUNT.

SO I THE NEGOTIATION PART.

RIGHT. IT'S WARRANTED.

RIGHT. BECAUSE THEY'RE THIS IS A SCHOOL BOARD ISSUE.

RIGHT. WE KNOW THAT SOME OF THE CHARTER SCHOOLS DON'T FIT THAT CRITERIA.

RIGHT? SO I DON'T MIND GOING OUT BUT AT RISKING OUR CHILDREN.

SO MAYBE HOW DOES THAT NEGOTIATION TIMETABLE SET BEFORE SCHOOL STARTS? WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, I, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE WITH YOU.

COUNCILMAN. JOHNSON.

BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS TIME WHERE NEGOTIATIONS SHOULD COME BACK TO THE TABLE.

RIGHT. AND IF WE SEE THERE'S A HUGE DISPARITY, WE NEED TO AT LEAST LET THE SCHOOL BOARD KNOW.

SO, MADAM SHERMAN, HOW DOES THAT LOOK? I GUESS THAT'S THE QUESTION.

HOW DOES THAT NEGOTIATION PROCESS LOOK AT THIS POINT? CERTAINLY NOT HINDERING ANYTHING THAT HAS BEEN WORKED ON AT THIS TIME.

I'M GOING TO ASK OUR POLICE CHIEF TO COME UP AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW THE PROCESS WORKS EACH YEAR.

GOOD EVENING. SO WITH REGARDS TO THE PROCESS COVERING THE SALARIES AND BENEFITS FOR THE SROS.

SO IT VARIES. SO FOR EXAMPLE, FOR THE BREVARD PUBLIC SCHOOL BOARD I BELIEVE IT'S 4 OR 5 AND SIX ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

THE OTHER TWO FOR PINEAPPLE COVE.

IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. THOSE ARE OFF DUTY DETAILS.

SO WE'RE NOT CONSTANTLY STAFFING OFFICERS AT THOSE AT THOSE LOCATIONS.

THOSE ARE WHEN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE SECURITY OR GUARDIAN OR SPECIALISTS ARE NOT THERE WORKING, PROVIDING SECURITY THAT WILL PROVIDE AN OFF DUTY DETAIL FOR, FOR THOSE LOCATIONS. BUT FOR BAYSIDE HIGH, HERITAGE HIGH AND ODYSSEY AND SOUTHWEST, SOUTH SOUTHWEST MIDDLE SCHOOL, THAT'S FULL TIME SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER, SO I CAN'T SAY WITHOUT SPEAKING FOR THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, THE OTHER AGENCIES, SHERIFF'S OFFICES WITHIN THE COUNTY THAT THAT HAS BEEN AN ONGOING COMMUNICATION AND DIALOG WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD. HENCE WHY THIS YEAR IT WAS INCREASED BY $3,500.

SO I KNOW THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CHIEFS POLICE CHIEFS ASSOCIATION AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS BEEN WORKING ON, BUT I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THAT.

I'M NOT I CAN'T SPEAK ON IT AT THIS POINT.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE IN A POSITION RIGHT NOW BEFORE AUGUST.

YEAH, YEAH. TO KIND OF JEOPARDIZE THE SECURITY THERE FOR FOR OUR KIDS.

BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY ENTERTAIN.

AND WHO.

I'M SORRY. I'M GOOD. WHO NEGOTIATES THAT? CHIEF? WHO IS IT? OUR TEAM AND THE SCHOOL BOARD.

IT'S THE THE SCHOOL BOARD WITH THE SHERIFFS.

OKAY. SHERIFF IVEY, WITH SHERIFF IVEY.

SO THE THE THE COUNTY SHERIFF AND THE SCHOOL BOARD COME INTO THAT AGREEMENT, AND THEN ALL MUNICIPALITIES FALL IN LINE.

AND PRIOR TO ANY AGREEMENT BEING MADE, THE SHERIFF THEN GETS WITH ALL THE LOCAL MUNICIPALITY, POLICE DEPARTMENTS.

OKAY. AND DISCUSS WHETHER IT'S GOOD.

IT'S NOT GOOD, YOU KNOW, AND WE GIVE OUR INPUT AND OPINIONS.

SO THE WAY THIS WOULD WORK IS JUST SO THAT WE'RE UNDERSTANDING, RIGHT? IS WE WOULD ASK THE SHERIFF TO SEE IF HE COULD RENEGOTIATE THIS CONTRACT.

WE COULD, WE COULD.

I JUST DON'T KNOW IF, YOU KNOW, TO BYPASS NOT SIGNING IT THIS YEAR.

YEAH, WE'RE KIND OF LATE IN THE GAME RIGHT NOW.

AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS SHARING WITH COUNCILMAN.

JOHNSON. BUT PERHAPS THE NEXT CYCLE, MAYBE LET THEM, YOU KNOW, ASK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, COUNCILS CONCERNED ABOUT THE DISPARITY.

ABSOLUTELY. AND IF WE COULD RENEGOTIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY.

ALL RIGHT. IS THAT IS THAT GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU? COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

ANY COMMENTS? NO, ABSOLUTELY.

I'M I AGREE WITH YOU, MAYOR.

I THINK YEAH, CERTAINLY THERE'S A DIFFERENCES.

NOT MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE. WE SHOULD WE SHOULD ADDRESS IT.

BUT YEAH, CERTAINLY AT THIS POINT.

YEAH. NOT AT THE RISK OF NOT BEING READY ON DAY ONE.

WELL, THANK YOU, CHIEF. I APPRECIATE APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. SO I NEED A MOTION.

SO MOVED. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER SIX.

SO MOVED MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECOND, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

SO MOVED, COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.

SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. PASSES THREE ZERO.

ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.

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SO MOVED SECOND.

JOHNSON, FELIX.

ALL IN FAVOR? I I. PASSES THREE ZERO.

ITEM NUMBER NINE.

MR. BATTEN. BILL BATTEN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

WELL, THESE CHARGING STATIONS BE ON SERVICE STATION LOCATIONS.

OR ARE THEY GOING TO BE ON CITY PROPERTY LOCATION WHERE WHERE YOU'RE CONSIDERING PLACING THEM? THAT'S THE FIRST QUESTION.

QUESTION NUMBER TWO WILL THERE BE ANY REVENUE BACK TO THE CITY FROM THIS GRANT.

SO IS IT GOING TO BE A GENERATING SYSTEM OR ARE WE JUST GOING TO TRY TO START BE SOLVING EVERYBODY ELSE'S PROBLEMS? WE BETTER BE GETTING PAID FOR FOREST.

RIGHT. AN ITEM NUMBER THREE JUST FOR JUST TO POINT OUT, BECAUSE I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF EV, THAT YOU COULDN'T EVEN GET YOUR EVS THAT YOU REQUESTED BECAUSE YOU WANTED THEM FOR THE CITY OPERATION.

BUT NOW WE'RE GOING TO BE TRYING TO PROVIDE EV CHARGING STATIONS FOR THE EVS THAT WE DON'T HAVE.

JUST THOUGHT I'D POINT THAT LITTLE SIMPLE FACT OUT.

THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. MADAM CHAIRMAN.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. THIS IS A GRANT OPPORTUNITY THAT PUBLIC WORKS IDENTIFIED RECENTLY.

WE'VE NOT YET APPLIED FOR THIS TYPE OF GRANT.

AND MY UNDERSTANDING, IT'S VERY COMPETITIVE.

SO WE'RE GOING TO GIVE IT A TRY.

MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT? IT CAN BE USED FOR A NUMBER OF THINGS, BUT MY GENERAL UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WHAT WE CAN APPLY FOR IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK FOR AND POTENTIALLY GET SOME FUNDING FOR INSTALLATION OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT TO LOOK FOR THE LOCATIONS, TO YOUR POINT THE LOCATIONS ARE NOT DEFINED OR DETERMINED AT THIS POINT.

THAT'S WHAT THE GRANT HELPS YOU DO.

FIGURE OUT WHERE THERE MIGHT BE A NEED FOR THOSE THOSE FUELING STATIONS OR EV FUELING STATIONS, CHARGING STATIONS.

EXCUSE ME. AND TO THE QUESTION ABOUT THE CHARGING OR THE COST THAT WE WOULD NOT BE SOMETHING THAT THE CITY WOULD TAKE ON AS A COST OR SUBSIDIZE IN ANY WAY.

IT WOULD BE A NORMAL TYPE OF TRANSACTION.

JUST LIKE IF YOU'RE AT HAMMOCK LANDING AND YOU'RE CHARGING, YOU PAY TO TO USE THAT SERVICE FOR WHOEVER WOULD GET IT.

ANY OTHER SPEAKER CARDS ON THIS? NO. THAT'S FINE.

GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

SO MOVED. SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING I.

I. ITEM NUMBER 14.

IS THAT YOU? OKAY.

YEAH. THAT'S ME. YES, MAYOR.

I I HAD ASKED ABOUT THIS ITEM LAST WEEK ON IF WE WERE GOING TO SAVE.

BUT LOOKING AT THE SUMMARY AND READING IT, THAT IN MY EYES IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE WE WERE SAVING BECAUSE WE'RE ACTUALLY HAVING TO USE UNDESIGNATED 200,000 UNDESIGNATED FUND BALANCE.

AND THAT'S JUST THE PARTIAL START UP, BECAUSE THE OTHER HALF, IT SAYS FOR THIS PARTIAL START UP YEAR, APPROXIMATELY HALF OF THIS COST IS OFFSET BY SALARY SAVINGS FROM POSITIONS, ELIMINATIONS AND RECLASSIFICATIONS.

SO, YES, WE CLOSED OUT THE FIRE INSPECTOR POSITIONS.

SO WE HAVE THE COST SAVINGS FROM THAT.

BUT HERE WE STILL HAVE TO, YOU KNOW GET ANOTHER $202,400.

SO TO ME THAT DOESN'T.

SO THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A COST SAVINGS TO ME.

SO I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS ITEM, SIR.

SO THAT'S THAT'S WHY I PULLED IT.

I WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH COUNCIL.

SEE. SEE WHERE WE ALL AT.

IT'S RIGHT THERE IN THE SUMMER.

IT'S THE FIRST FOUR SENTENCES.

SO. SO, MADAM SHERMAN, YOU WANT TO ADDRESS ANYTHING HERE? YES, SIR. I'LL HAVE OUR FIRE CHIEF, RICHARD STOVER, COME UP AND TALK TO THIS ITEM.

THANK YOU. SURE.

HELLO. HELLO.

THE BUDGET FOR FIRE PREVENTION WHEN IT WAS.

CAN YOU BRING IT UP? SORRY ABOUT THAT. THOUGHT I HAD IT.

YEAH, YOU COULD BRING IT UP.

LECTERN UP ON THE BUTTON IN THE FRONT.

I MISSED THE MEYERS KNOWS THE BUTTON.

THANK YOU. YOU'VE DONE THIS BEFORE.

THAT BETTER? YES, SIR.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SORRY ABOUT THAT.

THE WHAT? WE HAD POSITIONS BEFORE.

WE HAD A BUDGET OF $416,036.

THEN WE HAD VEHICLES IN THE MICE, IN THE MICE, VEHICLES, ELECTRONICS, FUEL MAINTENANCE, THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO WE AS WE MENTIONED LAST WEEK, WE TOOK A WE TOOK TWO POSITIONS.

WE MADE A BATTALION CHIEF AND A LIEUTENANT.

THAT'S THAT'S ROUGHLY IF I'M IF I'M GUESSING RIGHT HERE WITH MY NUMBERS, THAT'S ABOUT HALF THAT $400,000.

SO THE OTHER MONEY GOES BACK OVER TO THE FIRE OR PDC'S, THE COMPANY THAT WE'RE UTILIZING THROUGH CONTRACT.

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AND WITH THAT, THIS IS THE FIRST YEAR WE HAVE SIX MONTHS, SO WE'RE ABOUT SIX.

IT'S I THINK IT'S EXACTLY SIX MONTHS TO WHERE WE'RE USING THIS COMPANY.

SO WE'VE GONE THROUGH SO FAR.

AND I DID MEET WITH THEM ON TUESDAY, AND WE'VE IDENTIFIED SOME PROBLEMS WITH SOME EFFICIENCIES AND HOW THE FIRE PREVENTION DIVISION SECTION WAS RAN PRIOR AND THE WAY IT WAS SCHEDULED AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.

IT WAS JUST A MESS.

SO WE SAT DOWN, WE DID SOME EFFICIENCIES.

WE DID AN EFFICIENCY STUDY.

WE LOOKED AT HOW WE CAN IMPROVE THAT, HOW WE CAN GET MORE MONEY FOR THE NEXT YEAR AND THEN TURN AROUND AND MAKE IT TO WHERE IF IT DOESN'T COVER EVERYTHING, IT'S JUST A SLIGHT COST THAT'S GOING TO BE BACK ON THE CITY, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE MORE EFFICIENT AND HAVE MORE INSPECTIONS DONE.

SO WITH THAT, THE PROPOSAL THAT HE GAVE US, AND HE'S TAKEN IT BACK AND HE'S PUTTING IT ON PAPER AND HE'S PUTTING WITH THAT THE COST PROJECTIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WITH THE NEW EFFICIENCIES THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO, CHANGING HOW IT WAS DONE AND THE POTENTIAL OF ADDING ONE HALF OF AN FTE AND SHARING THAT HALF T WITH BUILDING RIGHT NOW THAT HAS ONE THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO DO THIS WITH.

WE WE ARE PROJECTING, IF EVERYTHING GOES RIGHT, 100% OF THE INSPECTIONS NOW WITH THAT INCREASES REVENUE.

HE'S. WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON GETTING THOSE REVENUE NUMBERS FOR NEXT YEAR.

ALSO. ALONG WITH THAT, WE FOUND SOME THINGS IN THE ORDINANCE ON THE FIRE PREVENTION COSTING THAT WE'RE ALSO GOING TO READDRESS BECAUSE THERE'S SOME THINGS IN THERE THAT DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WERE DONE THE WAY THEY WERE DONE.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THEM MORE IN LINE WITH OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AROUND THE COUNTY AND THE STATE.

SO WITH THAT, IF WE DON'T DO A WASH NEXT YEAR, IT'LL BE PRETTY CLOSE.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAVE GAINED A TRAINING DIVISION, WHICH WE DIDN'T HAVE, WHICH THEY WERE ABLE TO TURN AROUND.

AND WITH THIS LAST RECRUIT CLASS OF 12, THEY DID MOST OF THE HEAVY LIFTING ON THAT CLASS.

THEY'RE OUT NOW TRAINING THE PEOPLE IN THE STATIONS, WHICH WAS NOT DONE IN THE PAST.

SO THERE'S THE COST AND THE BENEFIT TO BOTH SIDES.

AND WITH THE IMPROVED EFFICIENCIES, LOOKING AT THE ORDINANCE AND SEEING WHAT WE CAN DO THERE TO MAKE SOME THINGS BETTER THERE AND MORE IN LINE WITH THE REST OF THE ORGANIZATIONS AND COMMUNITIES AROUND THE COUNTY AND THE REGION.

AND THEN THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A TRAINING DIVISION NOW THAT WE'RE NOT PAYING A PREMIUM WHEN WE WE WOULD BRING SOMEONE IN TO DO THE TRAINING BEFORE IT WOULD BE A TIME AND A HALF SALARY. SO WE LOST A LOT OF MONEY OVER THERE.

WE SPENT A LOT THAT WE DON'T NEED TO DO NOW BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THESE TWO POSITIONS.

SO TO SAY I HAVE EXACT NUMBERS AT THE MOMENT, I CAN'T BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, WE WE ARE WAITING FOR THOSE NUMBERS TO COME BACK.

WE'RE GOING TO SIT BACK DOWN WITH THE COMPANY.

WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK THROUGH THEM.

WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE PROPOSAL FOR THE ORDINANCES AND SEE HOW THAT WORKS OUT.

SO I ANTICIPATE IT BEING PRETTY CLOSE NEXT YEAR.

BUT I HAVE TO STRESS, THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS WHOLE THING WAS GETTING A TRAINING DIVISION, WHICH WE DID NOT HAVE.

AND THAT'S AN OPERATIONAL DECISION BECAUSE WITHOUT A TRAINING DIVISION, THE SAFETY OF OUR FIREFIGHTERS ARE AT JEOPARDY.

AND IF WE DON'T HAVE A SAFE RUNNING FIRE DEPARTMENT WHERE WE CAN PROVIDE A SERVICE TO THE CITIZENS, THEN THE CITIZENS AREN'T SAFE EITHER.

SO THERE'S EFFICIENCIES THERE.

IT'S NOT ALWAYS MONEY, BUT WE PROJECT, WE BELIEVE, AND AGAIN, WE'LL LET YOU KNOW THAT WE BELIEVE THAT IT WILL COME PRETTY CLOSE NEXT YEAR WHEN WE HAVE THE FULL 12 MONTH SALARIES AND EVERYTHING IN PLACE.

OKAY. SO AND FOR THIS THANK YOU.

CHIEF, HOW MANY POSITIONS IS THIS GOING TO COVER? RIGHT NOW IT COVERS TWO CONTRACT EMPLOYEES AND IT COVERS KIND OF THEIR STAFF AND THEIR VEHICLES AND EVERYTHING ELSE, THEIR VACATIONS.

SO IT'S $92 AN HOUR.

IT COVERS THAT FOR ALL THEM.

WE HAVE NO OTHER OUT OF POCKET STUFF THERE.

THIS OTHER POSITION THAT WOULD BE HALF THAT IF WE GO THAT ROUTE.

AND AGAIN, WE'RE NOT WE HAVE NOT COMMITTED TO THIS.

WE'RE WAITING TO SEE WHAT THEY'RE PROJECTING.

WE'RE GOING TO RUN THE NUMBERS AGAINST WHAT THEY SAY TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL IN LINE.

BUT SO FAR THEY'VE BEEN PRETTY SPOT ON ON WHAT THEY PROVIDED US.

SO IT'S IT'S RIGHT NOW IT'S IT'S THE COST THAT FOR THE TWO PDCF STAFF IS $382,720 FOR A FULL YEAR IS WHAT IT'S COSTING RIGHT NOW.

OKAY. AND NOW WE HAVE AND I.

AND THIS IS UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE I CAN'T GIVE YOU THE EXACT ON THIS, BUT WE'VE LOOKED BACK AT THE REVENUE IN THE PAST AND WE'VE FOUND SOME WE FOUND SOME ISSUES WE'RE TRYING TO FIX THERE AND FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT TOOK PLACE IN SOME OF THESE MONTHS IN THE PAST TO TRY AND LINE THEM UP.

THERE'S BEEN SOME THINGS WHERE THE BILLING AND THINGS LIKE THAT ARE IN QUESTION, HOW IT WAS DONE, WHEN IT WAS DONE, STUFF LIKE THAT.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO CLEAN ALL THAT UP.

SO IT'S REALLY ALLOWED US TO GO BACK IN AND MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS EFFICIENT, COST EFFECTIVE, AND THAT NOT ONLY ARE WE GETTING SOMETHING FOR

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THE TRAINING DIVISION AND THE SAFETY OF THE FIREFIGHTERS AND THE CITIZENS, BUT WE'RE ALSO STILL ABLE TO GO OUT THERE AND DO A MUCH BETTER JOB AT PROVIDING THE SERVICE OF FIRE PREVENTION. OKAY.

IN THE $92 PER HOUR.

THAT'S THAT'S A PIGGYBACK FROM THE BUILDINGS.

I'M SORRY. YOU SAID 92 AN HOUR.

OH, YES. THAT'S PIGGYBACK OFF THE BUILDING.

THAT'S RIGHT OUT OF THE BUILDING CONTRACT.

OKAY. BECAUSE LOOKING AT IT, WE'RE GOING TO NEED MORE POSITIONS BECAUSE WE HAVE A LARGE CITY, MORE INSPECTOR POSITIONS.

YES. THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S CORRECT.

I AGREE WITH THAT. AND THAT'S WHY HE THINKS THIS HALF POSITION, ONCE WE GET DONE WITH THIS STUDY THAT WE'RE DOING, COULD ADDRESS THE NEED TO DO 100% OF OUR BUILDINGS.

OKAY. BUT I, I'M NOT GOING TO COMMIT TO THAT TILL I SEE WHAT HE ACTUALLY PRESENTS AND THAT'S AND AND JUST BEING HONEST, CHIEF, THAT'S WHERE I'M AT RIGHT NOW.

I DON'T I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE VOTING FOR THIS WITHOUT SOME OF THE SAME INFORMATION YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S JUST WHERE I'M AT.

MAYOR. SO.

OKAY. I WAS LIKE, YEAH, BECAUSE HE HASN'T HAD ACCESS TO IT TOO.

AND HE'S WAITING. SO HE'S HE'S WAITING ON THE SAME.

THAT'S TO GET ME TO 100%.

YEAH. THAT'S NOT FOR WHAT'S CURRENT OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.

THE NUMBERS FOR WHAT WE HAVE FOR WHAT'S CURRENT, WE'RE WE'RE PRETTY COMFORTABLE IN.

IT'S JUST THE EXTRA TO GET TO WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NEEDING MORE INSPECTORS BECAUSE OF THE GROWTH OF THE CITY.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WAITING TO TIE BACK INTO ALL THIS.

BUT ALSO YOU DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS FOR THE REVENUE AS WELL, THE REVENUE.

I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ON THE REVENUE, AND WE'RE LOOKING INTO THAT, AND WE'RE TRYING TO ALIGN IT WITH THE ORDINANCE AND STUFF.

WE FOUND SOME BILLING ISSUES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

AND WE'VE WE'VE FOUND SOME AND I CANNOT EXPLAIN WHY, BUT ONE BUILDING MIGHT HAVE A PROCESS OF DOING FOUR AND FIVE SEPARATE BILLS.

SO THAT'S ONE PERSON DEALING WITH ONE BUSINESS, ONE STAFF PERSON DEALING WITH ONE BUSINESS TO PROVIDE BILLS 4 TO 5 DIFFERENT TIMES TO THIS OCCUPANT.

WE HAVE CHANGED THAT TO WHERE IT'S ALL ON ONE BILL NOW, SO THAT WE ONLY HAVE TO TOUCH THAT OCCUPANCY ONCE.

SO THERE'S OTHER COST EFFICIENCIES THAT WE'RE WORKING ON GETTING DONE THERE.

IT'S I HONESTLY I CAN'T SAY WHY THAT WAS DONE THAT WAY, BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF THINGS THAT WERE EXTREMELY INEFFICIENT IN THE PAST.

OKAY. ARE WE WOULD WE HAVE TO PAY OVERTIME FOR THESE POSITIONS? NO, SIR. OKAY.

AND THIS INCLUDES THEY GO OUT AND THEY DO THE FIREWORKS INSPECTION LIKE THEY DID ON 4TH OF JULY.

THEY DO THE FOOD TRUCKS.

WE'RE WORKING ON SOME EFFICIENCIES, ON DOING THE FOOD TRUCKS FOR ALL OF OUR CITY EVENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WHERE THAT THAT'S EVEN GOING TO BE EASIER AND QUICKER, MORE EFFICIENT. SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON IN THE BACKGROUND THAT'LL THAT'LL MAKE THIS A MUCH BETTER PROGRAM.

THE CITY OF OVIEDO, WE WERE JUST ADVISED BY THEM, HAS A WAY TO WHERE THAT THEY'VE TAKEN THEIR BILL COLLECTIONS.

AND DON'T QUOTE ME, THIS IS A ROUGH GUESSTIMATE ON WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE.

I BELIEVE IT WAS LIKE AT 60 OR 65% COLLECTIONS ON FIRE PREVENTION, AND THEY BROUGHT IT WAY UP INTO THE HIGH 80S AND THE 90S BECAUSE THEY GOT BACK, LIKE WE'RE DOING HERE WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND WORKED OUT SOME INEFFICIENCIES AND WERE ABLE TO DO SOME ADDITIONAL BILLING TO BRING IN THAT ADDITIONAL REVENUE.

OKAY. I'M TRYING TO THINK OF ANYTHING ELSE.

THE GOAL OF THE FIRE PREVENTION, WE'RE DOING IT THIS WAY IS TO PUT THE THE COST OF THE FIRE PREVENTION DIVISION, BECAUSE THE FIRE PREVENTION DIVISION ALMOST ALWAYS DEALS WITH BUSINESSES.

YEAH. YET THE TAXPAYERS, THE CITIZENS, THE HOMEOWNERS WERE ALSO PAYING.

SO THIS KIND OF SHIFTS IT TO WHERE THE HOMEOWNERS AREN'T DOING ALL THAT HEAVY LIFTING.

NOW IT GOES RIGHT BACK TO THE BUSINESSES THAT WERE ACTUALLY SERVICING.

OKAY. AND TOTAL IS THREE ABOUT 384,000.

THAT'S FOR AN ANNUAL SALARY.

YES. OKAY. REMEMBER WE WE DID THIS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR.

YEAH. AND WHAT WAS IT PRIOR OR ESTIMATE? I HATE TO HAVE YOU GO BACK.

WHAT WOULD YOU SAY WAS PRIOR WITH THE FIRE INSPECTION, THE SALARIES? YEAH. IT SHOWS HERE THAT WHAT? I HAD ANNUAL SALARIES PRIOR BECAUSE WE HAD MORE POSITIONS, WE WERE DOING LESS WITH MORE POSITIONS.

IT WAS 416,000, $36.21 ANNUALLY.

THAT'S NOT COUNTING VEHICLES.

COMPUTERS FUEL MAINTENANCE, THINGS LIKE THAT.

OKAY, SO IT WAS SLIGHTLY MORE, BUT MORE POSITIONS.

WHAT? I KNOW WE DID THE PIGGYBACK.

WOULD IT HAVE BEEN MORE OF A CHEAPER RATE OR COMPETITIVE RATE IF WE WOULD HAVE WENT FOR RFP? IN YOUR OPINION? I'M SORRY FOR LABORING.

THIS 92 AN HOUR IS A LOT.

AND THEN HEARING TWO POSITIONS FOR 382 OR 384 AND THEN SEVERAL POSITIONS FOR 416.

I'M RIGHT, AND I.

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SOMEBODY IN THIS ROOM CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ON THIS, BUT I BELIEVE I BELIEVE THEY DID AN RFP WHEN THEY DID IT WITH BUILDING.

OKAY. AND IT'S IT'S EXACTLY IN LINE WITH WHAT BUILDING DID.

WE DIDN'T NEED TO DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT.

WE DIDN'T NEED TO GO OUT FOR ANYTHING DIFFERENT.

ALL THAT WAS COVERED IN THE CONTRACT.

I DON'T KNOW WHY IT WAS IN THERE, BUT IT WAS IT WAS GREAT THAT IT WAS THOSE AT THE TIME, THEY WEREN'T LOOKING FOR IT.

SO THAT WORKED OUT FOR US ALL TOGETHER.

WE DIDN'T HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS, WHICH THAT WOULD HAVE COST MORE MONEY ALSO BECAUSE IT WOULD HAD STAFF KIND OF DUPLICATING WHAT HAD ALREADY BEEN DONE.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

OKAY. THANK YOU MAYOR.

SO ARE YOU COMFORTABLE NOW OR WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? I'M STILL NOT.

BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS.

I APPRECIATE THE ELABORATION, CHIEF.

I JUST I KIND OF JUST HAD ONLY A PAGE OF INFORMATION TO GO OFF OF, SO I WAS IT BROUGHT UP A LOT OF QUESTIONS.

SO I DO APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE WITH ME ANSWERING THESE QUESTIONS ANY TIME.

AND DON'T HESITATE TO CALL US AND WE'LL ANSWER WHATEVER ELSE YOU HAVE.

YES, SIR. WE'RE HERE. THANK YOU.

YES, SIR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

I APPRECIATE IT, SIR.

COUNCILMAN. JOHNSON. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW.

SO JUST TO CHEAT JUST SO THAT WE'RE CLEAR, I WANT YOU TO BE COMFORTABLE HERE BECAUSE THIS IS THIS IS ONE OF THOSE UNIQUE SITUATIONS.

RIGHT. SO, CHIEF PERHAPS I THINK WHAT MIGHT HELP COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, I DON'T KNOW.

I'M GOING TO TAKE A STAB AT THIS, SIR, IS HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE FOR YOU TO GET THOSE NUMBERS THAT HE'S QUESTIONING ABOUT? THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE A COUPLE OF WEEKS.

OKAY. WOULD WOULD THAT PUT YOU IN A, IN A IN A DIFFICULT SITUATION IF WE BOUGHT THIS BACK? IF I'M CORRECT AND PLEASE, IF I'M WRONG OKAY.

CORRECT ME. BUT WE NEED TO MOVE THE MONEY SO WE CAN MAKE THE PAYMENTS ON THE SERVICES THEY PROVIDED.

BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THIS MONEY'S IN PERSONNEL SERVICES.

IF I'M SAYING THIS RIGHT.

OKAY. IS SO THEY.

YES. YEAH.

THIS IS THAT. THAT PART'S LIKE, WAY ABOVE ME.

SO, MADAM CHAIRMAN.

YEAH, I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT IT, SO I GUESS, DO YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH DO WE HAVE IN TERMS OF OUTSTANDING INVOICES RIGHT NOW? WOULD YOU KNOW THAT OFFHAND? I DO NOT HAVE THAT WITH ME.

OFFHAND. OKAY. SHORT TERM SOLUTION.

BECAUSE I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR.

COUNCILMAN. JOHNSON. SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS PROVIDE A BETTER ACTUAL DETAILED ANALYSIS SHOWING YOU THE EXPENDITURES, WHAT IT WAS, WHAT IT IS NOW, WHAT IT'S PROJECTED TO BE, AS WELL AS THE REVENUE PROJECTIONS THAT'S MISSING FROM THIS ANALYSIS.

CLEARLY. SO WE CAN DO WE CAN BRING THAT BACK TO YOU, BUT PERHAPS AN ITEM TO JUST FUND SOME PUT SOME PARTIAL FUNDING INTO THIS AS AN ALTERNATIVE NOW SO WE CAN PAY THE INVOICES. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS.

THIS IS GOING TO BE FOR THE SIX MONTHS THAT'S LEFT IN THE CALENDAR YEAR.

SO WE'VE DONE THREE MONTHS SO FAR.

SO I'M GOING TO GUESS THIS WOULD BE FOR THREE MONTHS WORTH IF WE HAVE MOVED ENOUGH TO COVER THREE MONTHS OF INVOICES.

OKAY. ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? BAD. BAD.

I SERVICES THAT WERE ALREADY RENDERED.

RENDERED? YEAH.

THAT WE DIDN'T AGREE TO YET.

SO THAT'S THAT'S MY ONLY THING.

WHY Y'ALL DO THIS TO ME? OH, NO.

WE'RE SORRY. WE'RE LOOKING AT A RESOLUTION.

YEAH, I UNDERSTAND, BECAUSE WE YOU WE CAN MOVE.

YEAH, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.

I DON'T THINK I'M GONNA SUPPORT.

I JUST I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH IT, SO.

OKAY. YES, SIR.

ALL RIGHT, SO THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE AT.

I STILL NEED A MOTION.

SO MOVED. I GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX, SECONDED BY MAYOR MEDINA.

NOW, DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? YOU MADE THE MOTION, SIR.

NO, MAYOR, I, I LOOK FOR THAT, AND THESE ARE GREAT QUESTIONS.

AND, YOU KNOW, DEFINITELY GOOD QUESTION FROM COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

I'VE SEEN, YOU KNOW, OUTSOURCING NOT ALWAYS NECESSARILY THE SOLUTION, BUT AS I WAS BRIEFING ON THIS, I CAN SEE LONG TERM DOWN RANGE HOW THIS CAN BENEFIT.

I'VE SEEN THIS SERVICE AT WORK BEFORE.

I'VE INTERACTED WITH THE YOU KNOW, PREVIOUS INSPECTORS.

AND I KIND OF UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS.

I'M CERTAINLY IN FULL SUPPORT OF IT.

I CAN SEE HOW IT WILL BENEFIT IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE.

SO FOR THESE REASONS, I WILL SUPPORT IT.

AND I, YOU KNOW, CHIEF, I HAVE TO TELL YOU THERE'S SOME WARRANTED QUESTIONS.

RIGHT. AND I THINK WHERE COUNCILMAN JOHNSON IS COMING FROM IS THAT WE HAD A STAFFER AT ONE POINT DOING THIS.

AND WHERE'S THE COST SAVINGS? IF WE HAD A DEDICATED STAFFER TO CONTINUE THIS PROCESS AS WELL, I DID.

I'M GOING TO GRANT RIGHT NOW I'M I'M SUPPORTING THIS.

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BUT THOSE ARE THINGS THAT PERHAPS START LOOKING INTO AND SEE THAT DIFFERENCE IN THAT EQUATION AND MAYBE GET SOME NUMBERS TO SATISFY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON IN THE FUTURE, IF THAT, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU, SIR.

YES, SIR. THAT WAY WE'RE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.

RIGHT. AND THAT'S I JUST LIKE TO KEEP THAT TYPE OF HARMONY WHENEVER POSSIBLE.

AND THEY'RE NOT DIFFICULT.

SUGGESTIONS? THEY'RE NOT? OH, NO. AND LIKE I SAY, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING A LOT OF THAT INFORMATION.

YEAH, IT'S JUST THE TIMING OF IT, I GET THAT, BUT IF WE COULD.

YOU GET WHERE I'M GOING.

YEAH. AND WHEN WE GET DONE, WE'LL WE'LL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE EFFICIENCIES TOO, BECAUSE THERE WERE A LOT OF INEFFICIENCIES IN HOW IT WAS DONE IN THE PAST.

IT'S JUST THE TIME CRUNCH.

THAT'S WHY I'M SUPPORTING IT RATHER THAN AND WE GOT BILLS TO PAY.

RIGHT. SO I GOT SO I GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX SECONDED BY THE MAYOR.

AYE. ALL OPPOSED? NAY. PASSES 2 TO 1.

WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER 15.

COUNCILMAN. JOHNSON. THAT'S ME AGAIN.

CHIEF, COME ON BACK, PLEASE.

I'M SORRY. MADAM.

SHERMAN. OKAY.

SORRY WITH THIS ONE.

I'M JUST LOOKING. WE'RE STILL WORKING ON FIRE STATION SEVEN.

YES, LIKE THAT'S ONE.

WE WERE AT THE. WE WERE AT THE BREAKING OF FIRE STATION ONE WHEN THEY TOOK IT DOWN.

SO I'M I'M LOOKING MORE.

SO WHAT? WHERE ARE WE? TIMELINE WISE.

STATION SEVEN.

WELL, ON FOR STATION NINE BECAUSE WE'RE DOING THE ENGINE FOR STATION NINE.

I REMEMBER YOU TELLING ME ENGINES USUALLY NOW TAKE LONGER THAN THE STATION ITSELF, BUT.

RIGHT. YEAH, WE GOT LUCKY.

THE THE AVERAGE RIGHT NOW FOR BOTH PIERCE AND SUTHERLAND.

BOTH COMPANIES, WHICH IS WHAT WE USE FOR OUR APPARATUS, IS 48 MONTHS FOR ENGINES.

WE WERE ABLE TO FIND AN ENGINE THAT WAS IN PRODUCTION, RIGHT DOWN IN SOUTHEAST, SOUTHWEST FLORIDA.

OKAY. AND WE WERE ABLE TO GRAB THAT WHEN IT CAME AVAILABLE TO US SO THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY ABOUT OCTOBER.

WITH THAT COMES THE EQUIPMENT AS FAR YOU WANT TO KNOW WHERE WE ARE ON THE OVERALL PROJECT, OR SO I GUESS.

TIMELINE WISE.

IS IT LOOKING LIKE FIRE STATION NINE AND THE ENGINE NINE ARE GOING TO COME AT THE SAME TIME, OR ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A FIRE STATION WITHOUT AN ENGINE OR AN ENGINE WITHOUT A FIRE STATION? WELL, THEY I KIND OF HAVE HALF AN ANSWER TO THAT JUST BECAUSE I JUST GOT UPDATED BY THE DEVELOPER MONDAY NIGHT.

YES, SIR. WE WERE LOOKING AT A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND WE THOUGHT WE HAD SOMETHING THERE, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK.

SO THEY HAVE AGREED TO LOOK AT THE ADDITIONAL PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT THEY WE WERE LOOKING AT AND PROVIDE SOME COST TO ME TO RUN THE WATER IN THE WASTEWATER OVER TO THAT LOCATION AND THEN MOVE FROM THERE.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO WE'RE TRYING TO GET ALL THAT DONE RIGHT NOW.

BUT AS SOON AS WE FIND A TEMPORARY LOCATION AND BOTH OF THESE COULD BE TEMPORARY LOCATIONS, WE JUST WE'RE NOT SET TO SAY WHICH ONE IT'S GOING TO BE.

THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO TURN AROUND AND DO WHATEVER IT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO SIGN THE AGREEMENT AND START THE CONNECTIONS.

OKAY, NOW WE HAVE A STATION.

WE'VE WE'VE SET UP THE BASIC DESIGN OF THE STATION.

IT'LL TAKE A FEW MONTHS TO GET THAT GOING.

AND THEN THE TRUCK ITSELF, OCTOBER, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S IN OCTOBER, THEN ONCE IT GETS DONE OVER WHERE IT'S BEING MANUFACTURED, THEN IT HAS TO GO TO SANFORD WHERE THEY DO THEIR WORK, AND AT WHICH POINT WE'RE SHIPPING OVER ALL THE EQUIPMENT, WHICH IS WHAT THIS ITEM IS THAT YOU'RE GETTING HERE, THAT ALL THAT GETS SHIPPED OVER THERE SO THAT IT'S MOUNTED ON THE TRUCK AND THEN IT COMES TO US, WE NEED TO DO A PDI THROUGH FLEET.

WE HAVE A COUPLE SMALL OTHER ITEMS TO DO.

AND THEN THE TRUCK SHOULD BE IN SERVICE WITHIN A WEEK OR TWO, WHICH HISTORICALLY WE'VE BEEN TAKING SEVERAL MONTHS TO GET A PIECE OF APPARATUS IN SERVICE.

AND THEN WE BEG, BORROW AND STEAL FROM OTHER TRUCKS TO PUT THAT TOGETHER.

THAT COMES TO AN END.

YES, SIR. OKAY.

THANK YOU CHIEF. OKAY.

THANK YOU MAYOR. I'M GOOD.

THANK YOU. I NEED A MOTION.

SO MOVED. SECOND, GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

BILL BATTEN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET.

ITEM NUMBER 17.

MR. BATON.

OKAY, I HAVE THREE QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE.

THE FIRST ONE IS WHAT ARE THE TWO FREE PARTIES THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT CONSULTING ON? DO WE HAPPEN TO KNOW WHICH TWO FREE PARTIES THEY ARE? THEY GAVE A RECOMMENDATION FOR ONE, BUT I WAS JUST CURIOUS AS TO WELL, THEY'RE GOING TO OFFER CONSULTATION ON TWO OF THEM.

I JUST WONDERED WHAT THE WAY WHAT THEY WOULD BE.

NUMBER TWO, WHAT WHAT WILL THE IMPACT BE THIS HAVE ON THE BUDGETED COST, THE CO-SPONSORSHIP THAT WE HAVE BUDGETED? WILL THIS BE DIPPING INTO THE CO-SPONSORSHIP OR WILL IT BE ADDING TO THE CO-SPONSORSHIP, OR WILL IT BE TAKING AWAY FROM THE CO-SPONSORSHIP LINE BUDGET ITEM NUMBER

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THREE ARE THEY A TAX EXEMPT IDENTITY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PAY TAX DOLLARS INTO? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIRMAN.

THANK YOU MAYOR. THE TWO FREE EVENTS HAVE NOT BEEN DETERMINED, BUT SIMILAR TO OUR AGREEMENT WITH THE GREATER PALM BAY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, WE KEEP SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT ALLOWS FOR PARTNERSHIPS ON EVENTS, ALTHOUGH WE MAY NOT KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE FOR THE COMING YEAR.

IT'S JUST SORT OF ONE OF THOSE STANDING ITEMS IN OUR AGREEMENT.

THIS DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO DIRECTLY WITH THE CO-SPONSORSHIP, FUNDING OR PROGRAM.

THIS IS COMPLETELY SEPARATE.

THIS IS EQUIVALENT TO HOW WE PAY THE GREATER PALM BAY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE A MEMBERSHIP ANNUALLY.

WE GET CERTAIN THINGS OUT OF OUT OF THAT MEMBERSHIP THAT WE PAY.

FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, A CERTAIN NUMBER OF SEATS THAT HAVE EVENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND YES, THEY ARE A TAX EXEMPT ORGANIZATION.

THANK YOU. I NEED A MOTION.

SO MOVED. SECOND.

GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING I.

ITEM NUMBER 18, MR. BATTEN. BATON. BILL BATTEN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST. WELL, THIS EDITION OF ROAD WORK EFFECT PHASE FOUR PROJECTS.

BECAUSE THIS WAS ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED FOR PHASE FIVE.

THAT'S THE FIRST QUESTION.

QUESTION NUMBER TWO WILL THIS BE AN FDR OR WHAT TYPE OF SURFACING ARE WE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE ROAD? NUMBER THREE EMERSON WAS JUST WIDENED FROM ONE LANE TO TWO LANES.

RIGHT. AND IN THAT AND IN THAT PROCESS IT WAS REPAVED.

RIGHT. SO WE'LL WILL THIS MEAN SOME OF THE STREETS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN PAVED ARE GOING TO END UP? THEY'VE NOT BEEN PAVED IN THE LAST 30 YEARS.

SOME OF THEM. ARE THEY GOING TO END UP ON THE SHORT STICK IF WE SPEND THIS 4 MILLION DOING A ROAD THAT WE'VE ALREADY REPAVED AND WIDENED, ARE THE OTHER RESIDENTS GOING TO END UP ON THE SHORT END OF THE STICK? THOSE ARE JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON WHY WE TOOK SOMETHING FROM FROM SEASON, FROM PHASE FIVE, OR WE'RE DOING IT IN PHASE FOUR AND HOW IT'S GOING TO IMPACT ON THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT HAVEN'T BEEN DONE YET.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIRMAN.

THANK YOU MAYOR. YEAH.

SO WE ARE MOVING THIS ONE UP BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THE SITUATION WITH EMERSON BETWEEN MALABAR AND WACO AND SEEING.

EVERYONE HAS BEEN OBSERVING INCREASE THE NUMBER OF PATCHES THAT HAVE BEEN NECESSARY.

SO IT'S A MAIN ROADWAY, A MAIN ROADWAY FOR US.

SO WE'VE DECIDED TO LOOK AT SOME OF OUR OUTER YEAR PROJECTS AND BRING THEM FORWARD A LITTLE BIT EARLIER IF NECESSARY.

BECAUSE THEY'RE MAJOR CORRIDORS.

SO THAT'S THE PART OF THE REASON WHY THAT ONE IS GETTING MOVED UP.

AND THE QUALITY OF THE ROUTE IS, IS DEGRADING.

SO THE THE ANSWER, WHETHER IT AFFECTS IT CERTAINLY DOES CHANGE THE TIMING OF WHEN DIFFERENT ROAD BOND PROJECTS ARE DONE COMPARED TO OTHERS. BUT WE STILL HAVE THE DEFICIT THAT WE'RE WORKING TO RESOLVE THE 50 TO $60 MILLION BECAUSE OF THE COST OF THINGS.

WE'VE HAD THAT BIG PRESENTATION WITH COUNCIL IN JANUARY EXPLAINED ALL THE ISSUES THAT HAVE GONE INTO THE COST OF THE PROGRAM AND THE CHANGES IN THE AND THE ECONOMICS OF IT SINCE WE STARTED, AS WELL AS JUST THE OVERALL CONCERNS ABOUT WHETHER THE $150 MILLION WAS ENOUGH TO DO THAT FROM THE BEGINNING.

BUT REGARDLESS, OUR FUNDING STRATEGY, AS WE DISCUSSED IN JANUARY, REMAINS THE SAME THAT WHATEVER THAT END DEFICIT ENDS UP BEING BECAUSE WE'VE CHANGED SOME OF THE WAYS WE DO OUR CONTRACTS AND BIDS.

WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE FUNDING STRATEGY THAT WILL BE OUTSIDE OF THE ROAD BOND, THAT WILL BE A GENERAL FUND FUNDED DEBT SERVICE.

THAT'S OUR PLAN AS WE DISCUSSED BEFORE.

SO EITHER WAY, OUR COMMITMENT REMAINS TO FINISH ALL THE ROAD BOND PROJECTS.

EVEN IF WE'RE CHANGING THE ORDER OF ONE OF THEM RIGHT NOW.

BUT THAT'S AND ALSO THE FDR QUESTION, IT MY UNDERSTANDING FROM STAFF IS THAT IT'S A MILLING AND PAVING, AND IT'S NOT AN FDR.

YEAH. THANK YOU.

SO MOVED. SECOND, GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

ALL IN FAVOR? YES, SIR.

BECAUSE HE DOES HAVE A POINT IN WE'VE WE'VE GONE WITH THE COMMENTS OF INFLATION, BUT I'VE NEVER WE'VE NEVER REALLY SEEN THE RECEIPTS OF IT.

SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED TO LIKE SHOWING.

OKAY. IN 2019, IT WENT FROM THIS PRICE TO 2021 AND WENT TO THIS PRICE.

THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'VE REALLY SEEN BECAUSE I REMEMBER AND TO MR. MORRIS'S POINT, I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, SIR, BECAUSE ORIGINALLY IT WAS SAID THAT IT WILL COVER EVERYTHING.

NOW INFLATION HAS HAPPENED TO EVERYBODY.

BUT TO WHAT EXTENT? SO NOT ONLY THAT, THE THE GAS PRICES.

RIGHT? YES, SIR.

AND THEN RIGHT ALONG THAT SAME VEIN, MULTIFACETED.

YEAH, YEAH. SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES.

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RIGHT. YOU GOT EMPLOYEE ISSUES ISSUES.

SO MAYBE IF WE COULD GET THAT TYPE OF ANALYSIS.

IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? YES, SIR.

THAT'S EXACTLY IF WE COULD GET SOME.

YES, MA'AM. IF YOU'D LIKE, WE CAN GO OVER IN SOME DETAIL THE PRESENTATION WE DID IN JANUARY.

AND GO INTO WHAT LEVEL OF ADDITIONAL DETAIL YOU'D LIKE, SIR? WE CAN SIT DOWN AND DO THAT AND THEN BRING THAT BACK TO COUNCIL, IF YOU'D LIKE, FOR TRANSPARENCY FOR THE PUBLIC.

OKAY. IS THAT.

YEAH. THAT'S SOMETHING I'LL GO OUT TO PUBLIC WORKS TOO IF WE IF.

OKAY. I'M SURE MYSELF I'LL GO OUT THERE WITH YOU.

SO. OKAY. SO I'VE GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

WE ARE NOW ON NEW BUSINESS ITEM NUMBER ONE.

BUT BEFORE WE DO, WE'RE TAKING A FIVE MINUTE RECESS.

OKAY, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I'M GOING TO CALL THIS MEETING BACK TO ORDER.

I. REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU TO FELLOWSHIP.

I'M REALLY EXCITED THAT OUR COMMUNITY IS GATHERING AND FELLOWSHIPPING, BUT I'M CALLING THIS MEETING BACK TO ORDER.

SO IT'D BE GREAT IF EVERYONE WOULD BE AWARE THAT THIS MEETING IS NOW CALLED TO ORDER.

WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NEW BUSINESS, ITEM NUMBER ONE, MADAM SMITH, ORDINANCE 20 2431,

[NEW BUSINESS:]

AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, PROVIDING FOR A REFERENDUM ELECTION TO BE HELD ON NOVEMBER 5TH, 2024, FOR THE PURPOSE OF DETERMINING WHETHER THE CITY CHARTER SHOULD BE AMENDED.

PROVIDING FOR THE PLACEMENT OF TWO REFERENDUM ITEMS ON THE BALLOT, PROVIDING THE TEXT OF THE PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENTS.

DIRECTING THE CITY CLERK TO PROVIDE THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS WITH A COPY OF THE ORDINANCE PUBLISHING THE REFERENDUM ITEMS IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE LAW.

PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT.

HEREWITH. PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE.

PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

SO AS A CITY ATTORNEY MENTIONED, THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO PARTS TO THIS MEMO BECAUSE THERE ARE TWO PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENTS THAT WOULD GO TO THE VOTERS IN NOVEMBER.

MADAM SHERMAN.

YES, THANK YOU MAYOR.

I'LL COVER THE FIRST ONE AND THE CITY ATTORNEY WILL COVER THE NEXT.

SO THE FIRST ONE IS AS DISCUSSED LAST SUMMER WITH CITY COUNCIL, WHEN WE WERE BRIEFING ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY NEEDS IN THE CITY AND THE ABILITY TO FUND THOSE NEEDS, A A DISCUSSION WAS HAD ABOUT CREATING A DEDICATED PUBLIC SAFETY MILLAGE.

SO WHAT THIS ITEM PRESENTS IN FOLLOW UP TO THAT CONVERSATION IS THE CONCEPT OF LANGUAGE THAT WOULD BE PROPOSED TO THE TO THE VOTERS THAT WOULD AUTHORIZE THE CITY TO ANNUALLY LEVY AN AD VALOREM TAX AT A MILLAGE RATE NOT TO EXCEED TWO MILLS FOR FUNDING POLICE, FIRE AND EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES, INCLUDING CAPITAL, OPERATING AND PERSONNEL EXPENSES, WHICH SHALL NOT BE SUBJECT TO SECTION 6.01 B OF THE CHARTER, WHICH PROHIBITS CHARGING AN AD VALOREM TAX THAT INCREASES BUDGETED AD VALOREM REVENUES BY MORE THAN 3% OVER THE PRIOR YEAR.

SO, IN ESSENCE, WHAT THIS PROPOSAL IS, IS IT WOULD CREATE AN ADDITIONAL MILLAGE RATE AND AD VALOREM MILLAGE RATE THAT COULD ONLY BE USED FOR PUBLIC SAFETY PURPOSES.

IT WOULD IF APPROVED BY THE VOTERS, IT WOULD BE SET ANNUALLY BY THE CITY COUNCIL.

IT COULD BE A RATE THAT WOULD BE SET UP TO TWO MILLS.

IT COULD BE ANYWHERE LESS THAN THAT.

IT COULD ALSO NOT BE ESTABLISHED ON ANY GIVEN YEAR BY COUNCIL.

THAT WOULD BE AN ANNUAL DECISION.

AND THE POINT OF THIS IS THAT ONCE IT'S ESTABLISHED, IT WOULD NOT BE SUBJECT TO THE 3% CAP THAT AFFECTS THE NORMAL AD VALOREM MILITARY.

AT THIS POINT, THE HISTORY OF THIS, THE REASONS WHY THIS IS BEING PROPOSED, AND I'LL JUST GO BACK BECAUSE THIS WAS DISCUSSED LAST YEAR AND ALSO LAST WEEK WHEN WE BRIEFED ON PUBLIC SAFETY NEEDS.

ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WE'RE HAVING AS A CITY IS THAT HISTORICALLY, THE GROWTH OF THE CITY AS THE CITY GREW, THE NEEDS TO ADD MORE FIRE STATIONS BECAUSE WE'RE BEHIND IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF FIRE STATIONS AS AN EXAMPLE, THAT WAS NOT DONE.

WE'VE ONLY RECENTLY BEEN SIGNIFICANTLY TRYING TO INVEST EVERY YEAR MORE INTO OUR POLICE AND FIRE POSITIONS TO ADD THEM.

WE'VE ALSO BEEN TRYING TO CATCH UP ON THE CAPITAL NEEDS OF BOTH DEPARTMENTS, BECAUSE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS THERE WAS NOT A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT IN REPLACEMENT POLICE VEHICLES, REPLACEMENT FIRE VEHICLES.

AND THOSE REPLACEMENTS, AS YOU ALL KNOW, CAN'T BE FUNDED WITH IMPACT FEES.

THEY'RE JUST REOCCURRING COSTS AND THEY HAVE QUITE A BIG PRICE TAG.

SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN STARTING TO BUILD AS WE'RE TRYING TO CATCH UP FROM THE PAST YEARS.

AND ACTUALLY WE STILL DO NOT AT THIS MOMENT HAVE A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN THAT IS PROPERLY FUNDED EACH YEAR ANNUALLY FOR THOSE REPLACEMENT ITEMS FOR FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY PERSONNEL.

BUT BEYOND THAT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS IS PROPOSED TO HELP ADDRESS IS THE NEED TO BE ABLE TO ADD MORE FIRE STATIONS, TO BE ABLE TO POTENTIALLY GET

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POLICE SUBSTATIONS IN AREAS WHERE THEY'RE NEEDED.

AS YOU'RE AWARE, WE NOT ONLY HAVE THE NEED FOR NEW FIRE STATIONS, BUT WE ACTUALLY HAVE OLDER FIRE STATIONS THAT NEED TO BE.

IN THIS CASE OF STATION TWO, FOR EXAMPLE, COMPLETELY TORN DOWN AND REBUILT.

THEY'RE NOT SIZED PROPERLY FOR THE CITY'S GROWTH.

ADDITIONALLY, THIS FUNDING, BECAUSE IT COULD BE USED FOR PERSONNEL, IF APPROVED, IT WOULD ALLOW US TO HIRE MORE RAPIDLY THE PUBLIC SAFETY PERSONNEL.

WE NEED TO CATCH UP TO BE IN A PLACE WHERE WE ARE PROPERLY STAFFING FOR THE SIZE OF OUR CITY.

SO BY WAY OF EXAMPLE, AS WE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY, ONE OF THE STATISTICS WE LOOK AT IS HOW MANY OFFICERS YOU HAVE PER 1000 POPULATION.

OUR CITY HAS GROWN RAPIDLY ABOUT 16% GROWTH IN ABOUT 4 OR 5 YEARS, JUST IN ONE YEAR ALONE.

WE RECENTLY SENT YOU ALL AN EMAIL.

RECENTLY WE HAD ABOUT 7000 PEOPLE IN BASICALLY A YEAR'S TIME.

AND KEEPING UP WITH THE PACE OF GROWTH HAS BEEN VERY DIFFICULT WHEN WE WERE ALREADY BEHIND.

SO ONE OF THE STATISTICS THAT WE USE IS A FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT STATE AVERAGE, WHERE THEY THEY RECOMMEND OR THE AVERAGES THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE 2.31 POLICE OFFICERS PER 1000 RESIDENTS.

BASED ON OUR POPULATION AND THE NUMBER OF OFFICERS WE HAVE, OUR RATIO IS 1.36 OFFICERS PER THOUSAND.

AND I KNOW COUNCIL HAS TALKED ABOUT THAT AS AN IMPORTANT EFFORT TO TRY TO OVERCOME THAT ACTUALLY PUTS US AS 239TH OUT OF 248. POLICE DEPARTMENTS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

THAT'S HOW LOW WE ARE COMPARED TO.

TO OTHERS. SO BEING ABLE TO HAVE ADDITIONAL FUNDING THAT IS DEDICATED TOWARD PUBLIC SAFETY IS CRITICAL, AS WE ALL KNOW, IN THE WAY THE 3% CAP WORKS.

WHILE IT'S BENEFICIAL WHEN NEW CONSTRUCTION REVENUE COMES IN IN ONE YEAR.

THE 3% CAP IN THE NEXT YEAR, BECAUSE YOU HAVE NEW CONSTRUCTION, IT PUSHES YOUR MILLAGE RATE DOWN RATHER RAPIDLY.

SO WE'VE BEEN SEEING, YOU KNOW, HALF A MILL DECREASES.

THIS YEAR WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT 7.0171.

WE'RE GOING TO GO DOWN TO 6.7334.

I FORGET THE LAST TWO DIGITS.

AND WE ANTICIPATE IN 2026 WE'RE LIKELY TO BE DOWN AROUND SIX EVEN BASED ON CURRENT PROJECTIONS.

SO THE MILLAGE RATE WILL CONTINUE TO DROP DOWN.

IT WILL DRIVE DOWN BECAUSE OF HOW THE CAP IS CALCULATED.

SO WHAT THIS DOES, IF APPROVED BY THE VOTERS, IS IT WOULD POSITION COUNCIL, MAYBE NOT NEXT YEAR, BUT IN A IN A YEAR WHEN YOU DECIDED TO DO IT AND IT COULD BE NEXT YEAR IF IT WAS APPROVED, YOU COULD SET A MILLAGE RATE THAT WOULD BE ADDITIONAL, THAT WOULD HELP TO FUND SOME OF THOSE NEEDS.

SO THAT'S HIGH LEVEL, WHAT THIS WOULD ESSENTIALLY DO FOR US.

THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO SHARE IS JUST SOME OF THE POTENTIAL IMPACT TO THE RESIDENTS.

AND I KNOW THAT WAS PART OF THE AGENDA PACKET.

THERE WAS AN ITEM IN THERE THAT SHOWS THE MILLAGE RATE IMPACT BASED ON THE ASSESSED VALUE OF A PROPERTY.

SO JUST TO READ A COUPLE OF THOSE SCENARIOS IN IF A HALF A MILL WAS ESTABLISHED, IF THIS WERE APPROVED BY THE VOTERS AND COUNCIL NEXT SUMMER WERE TO VOTE ON A HALF A MILL FOR A PROPERTY THAT WAS VALUED AT $200,000.

THAT WOULD BE AN ANNUAL COST OF ABOUT $100 IN IN REVENUE FOR THAT SAMPLE.

AND THE ANNUAL REVENUE ESTIMATE THAT WE WOULD RECEIVE FROM THAT WOULD BE ABOUT $3.8 MILLION.

JUST TO GIVE YOU SORT OF A COMPARISON OF WHAT $3.8 MILLION COULD DO.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S A LITTLE THAT'S LESS THAN WHAT WE NEED TO BUILD A NEW FIRE STATION.

BUT IT WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTION IF YOU HAD HAD THAT COMING FORWARD.

SO, ANYWAY, JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU THAT VERY HIGH LEVEL.

I CAN CERTAINLY ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL HAVE AND ADD MORE DETAIL AS YOU NEED IT.

COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. ANY QUESTIONS? THE ONLY ONE I WAS I HAD, I WAS LOOKING I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS GOING TO COME AFTER THIS.

THE MAYOR, WE HAD SPOKEN ABOUT THE INSPECTOR GENERAL GOING GOING ON THE VOTE.

SO THAT WAS I GUESS THAT'S THE MAIN THING.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WILL COME AT A LATER DATE TO GET ON THE VOTE FOR THIS TO TO GET ON THE BALLOT, TO GET ON THE BALLOT.

I THINK WE COULD HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.

BECAUSE IT WAS I, IT WAS MAY.

MAY I HAVE RIGHT HERE MAY 2ND, 2024 WHERE COUNCILS CONSENSUS WAS FOR TO BE ON.

SO THAT WAS THAT'S SOMETHING RIGHT THERE.

SO IN IG.

YEAH. YEAH. YES SIR.

AND ORIGINALLY AND I'LL ACKNOWLEDGE ORIGINALLY I WASN'T ON BOARD MAYOR.

SO I DO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.

BUT I LOOKED INTO IT I SAW IT WORKED FOR JACKSONVILLE.

YES SIR. SO? SO. YES, SIR. OKAY.

WE COULD DEFINITELY ENTERTAIN THAT.

I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS THE RIGHT AGENDA ITEM TO BRING IT UP NOW, BUT CERTAINLY WE COULD, BECAUSE I ALSO WANTED TO BRING UP MAYBE WE COULD DO THIS ON THE REPORTS AND SEE IF IT COULD COME BACK. OKAY.

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NEXT. NEXT MEETING.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD FIT THE TIMELINE WITH COUNCILMAN JOHNSON'S REQUESTING REGARDING ADDING AN IG VERBIAGE TO TO THE THE CHARTER FOR THE VOTERS TO VOTE ON.

YES. IF WE COME BACK FOR FIRST READING WITH THAT LANGUAGE INCLUDED FOR AUGUST 1ST, SECOND AND FINAL READING OF THE ORDINANCE ON AUGUST 15TH, THAT WILL GIVE US TIME.

WE HAVE UNTIL AUGUST 23RD TO GET IT TO THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS.

OKAY, SO I THINK I THINK THAT'S GOOD.

WELL, WHILE WHILE WE'RE DISCUSSING THAT COUNCIL AS YOU KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FILLING A POSITION HERE, A VACANT POSITION AND SOME OF ONE OF THE THINGS I LIKE TO SEE IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER, MAYBE WE COULD BRING IT TO THE VOTERS ON WHAT THEIR DEFINITION IS OF, A SPECIAL ELECTION IS A SPECIAL ELECTION.

THE NEXT ELECTION CYCLE, LIKE WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IS THE NEXT ELECTION CYCLE HAS BEEN ALMOST WHAT IS IT, 18 MONTHS OR IS A SPECIAL ELECTION DEFINED THE DEFINITION DEFINED AS THE NEXT OPPORTUNITY FOR AN ELECTION BY OUR CITY. I'M OPEN.

DEPUTY MAYOR. MAYOR, I DON'T THINK I'M TRACKING YOU AT ALL.

IT'S. I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.

SO HERE, LET ME LET ME EXPLAIN.

YEAH. SO THE LAST TIME WE DIDN'T FILL A POSITION, RIGHT? WITHIN 60 DAYS, THE DEAF IT WAS DEFINED AS A SPECIAL ELECTION WOULD BE THE NEXT CYCLE.

SO INSTEAD OF A SPECIAL ELECTION TAKING PLACE WITHIN 60 TO 90 DAYS, WE'RE WE'RE WE WAITED FROM FROM ALL THAT TIME TO NOVEMBER.

SO THAT WOULD BE MY QUESTION IS, CAN WE GET SOMETHING WHERE IT WOULD SAY A THE DEFINITION OF THE SPECIAL ELECTION IS THE NEXT OPPORTUNITY.

NOT, NOT, YOU KNOW, NOT IN 2024 OR 20 26 OR 2020, YOU KNOW, EVERY TWO YEARS FALLING IN AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO GET IT SOONER.

MAYOR, I BELIEVE WE HAVE A VERY CAPABLE ATTORNEY THAT CAN SHED SOME LIGHT ON THIS.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE. I'M SORRY, SUPER SILLY FOR US TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THE VOTER VOTE ON A ON A CHARTER AMENDMENT.

YEAH, WE MAY NOT.

I MEAN, DIDN'T GET QUITE, YOU KNOW, CLARITY ON IT AS IT PRESENTED, BUT THE LANGUAGE IS THE LANGUAGE.

IT'S WHAT IT IS.

WE'VE BEEN WE HAVE SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS ON THAT.

IT IS WHAT IT IS AT THIS POINT AS FAR AS SPECIAL ELECTIONS, SPECIAL ELECTION, IF IT'S NOT IN THE YEAR 2026, THAT PARTICULAR SEAT IS UP FOR REELECTION IN 2026.

THEREFORE, THE NEXT ELECTIONS CONCURRENT WITH GENERAL ELECTION WITH THE CITY, IT'S A SPECIAL ELECTION PERIOD.

LANGUAGE IS CLEAR.

I MEAN, WE DIDN'T GET IT.

I DON'T I THINK IT WOULD BE SUPER SILLY TO GO BACK.

WHAT ARE WE ASKING THE VOTER TO DO? I DON'T SEE HOW THAT'S THE WAY I LOOK AT IT.

THAT'S JUST MY INTERPRETATION.

BUT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, VERY CAPABLE CITY ATTORNEY CAN CAN WEIGH IN, BUT I DON'T I DON'T I THINK IT WOULD BE SUPER SILLY TO TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. WELL, WE CAN'T ASK THE VOTERS A QUESTION.

WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS THAT THE CHARTER SAYS THAT ALL VACANCY ELECTIONS WILL RUN CONCURRENT WITH THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED CITY ELECTIONS.

APPOINTMENTS WILL BE TO SERVE UNTIL THE NEXT GENERAL ELECTION CYCLE.

IF IT IS COUNCIL'S DESIRE TO ASK THE VOTERS IF THEY WANT TO CHANGE IT SO THAT IT IS NOT RUN CONCURRENT, I'LL NEED SOME DIRECTION SO THAT WE CAN PROVIDE THE LANGUAGE THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE THE VOTERS TO INSTEAD ADOPT, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S ALL VACANCY.

ELECTIONS WILL RUN CONCURRENT WITH THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED CITY ELECTIONS.

SO I NEED TO KNOW WHAT LANGUAGE WE WOULD LIKE THE VOTERS TO VOTE ON TO REPLACE THAT.

SO I WOULD AND I UNDERSTAND I RESPECT YOUR YOUR INTERPRETATION OF THAT, BUT TO ME, A SPECIAL ELECTION IS NOT TWO YEARS OR WAITING FOR THAT.

IT SHOULD BE AUTOMATIC WITHIN THAT TIME FRAME.

HOW WOULD YOU PHRASE IT, MADAM ATTORNEY, NOT TO RUN CONCURRENT.

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IT MAY BE THAT YOU COULD DO IT BY ESTABLISHING A TIME.

YOU KNOW THAT THESE ELECTION MUST OCCUR WITHIN X AMOUNT OF DAYS.

THAT WOULD GET YOU A PERIOD IF IT'S CLOSE TO ELECTION, MAY BE ABLE TO GET IT WITHIN THE NEXT ELECTION, OR YOU WOULD HAVE A SPECIAL ELECTION OR.

SO IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE IT CONCURRENT WITH THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED ELECTION, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO ESTABLISH A TIME FRAME, BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO KNOW WHEN THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. SO CAN YOU CAN CAN IT BE ESTABLISHED THAT WITHIN 120 DAYS THAT WE GET IT? THAT WOULD BE ORGANIZED WITH THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS, SO THAT WE WOULD BE GOING BY THEIR TIME FRAME.

THAT'S. YEAH.

LET US LOOK AT THAT MORE IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT CHANGE.

CERTAINLY IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT TO TAKE THE LEAD ON, WE'LL RESEARCH IT AND WE'LL CONFER WITH YOU BEFORE WE BRING IT BACK.

FOR ALL OF COUNCIL TO CONSIDER IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION COUNCIL WANTS.

I WOULD, I WOULD SAY I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT.

MAYOR, IF I MAY REMIND COUNCIL AND THE AND THE AUDIENCE AND AND THE PALM BAY RESIDENT.

THE FISCAL IMPACT.

YEAH. AS WELL LET LET'S NOT BYPASS THAT.

IT'S JUST NOT IS NUMBER ONE.

THE CONFUSION SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE STILL CONFUSED TWO YEARS LATER.

NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, THE IMPACT.

LET'S NOT FORGET THE IMPACT.

THE FISCAL IMPACT AS WE TRIED TO SCRAPE FOR FUNDING FOR FIRE STATION.

THINGS THAT ARE TRULY ELECTIONS CERTAINLY MATTER.

VERY IMPORTANT.

BUT WE HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE, WE AS THE VOTER TO VOTE IT.

THEY VOTED. IT IS WHAT IT IS.

WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET IT RIGHT.

THE FAILURE OF THIS COUNCIL NOT DOING IT THE RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.

RATHER WE DISAGREE.

AND THAT'S THAT'S ON US, RIGHT? BUT LET'S REMEMBER THE FISCAL IMPACT THAT'S JUST HAVING BEEN BROUGHT UP.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IS PART OF THE CONSIDERATION.

START STARTED OUT TO 250 THOUSAND, 250,000.

I THINK AT THE END WHEN WE, YOU KNOW, IT WAS LIKE 83,000, THAT THAT'S A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY.

WHEN WE CAN DO WE HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE ALREADY.

SO OBVIOUSLY I SAY MY PIECE ON THAT AND YOU SEE EVERYBODY KNOW WHERE I'M AT.

I WOULD NOT SUPPORT IT.

THANK YOU. WELL, I GUESS THE BETTER QUESTION IS, WHAT IS THE INTENT, MAYOR? WHAT WHAT IS WHAT IS THE WHAT IS THE SOLUTION WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH? WHAT I'M TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IS GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO THE RESIDENTS TO VOTE.

IF WE DON'T APPOINT WITHIN 60 DAYS, THEY GET TO VOTE WITHIN A CERTAIN TIME FRAME, WHETHER IT'S 90 DAYS OR 120 DAYS TO BE SET BY THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS.

THAT THAT'S THAT'S THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE.

BUT IF COUNCIL.

I DON'T HAVE CONSENSUS ON THIS, SO I REALIZE THAT.

I'M JUST SAYING THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE COULD FIX, BECAUSE.

AND QUITE FRANKLY, WHEN PEOPLE VOTED FOR THIS, THEY THEY, THEY FIGURED A SPECIAL ELECTION IN TOTAL TRANSPARENCY, A SPECIAL ELECTION IS WITHIN 120 DAYS OR SO THAT THAT'S MY STANCE ON IT.

BUT I'M NOT GOING TO BELABOR THIS.

IF IT'S NOT COUNCIL'S WISHES TO SUPPORT THIS THOUGHT PROCESS, I UNDERSTAND WHERE I STAND.

AND SO THAT THAT THAT BEING SAID, I THINK IT ALWAYS GIVES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE VOTERS TO DECIDE WHO SITS ON THIS DAIS, THAT'S ALL.

OKAY. AND I AND I UNDERSTAND THAT I JUST THEY, THEY THEY DID VOTE BECAUSE I REMEMBER I WAS THE ONE WHO I FLIPPED ORIGINALLY.

I WAS JUST LOOKING FOR AN APPOINTMENT WHEN WE ALL WHEN YOU.

MAIER FELIX AND FOSTER HAD JUST GOTTEN ON ORIGINALLY, I WAS JUST GOING TO APPOINT.

I WAS THE ONE WHO FLIPPED.

I CHOSE TO CHANGE MY MIND AND ALLOW IT SO THEY COULD VOTE, BUT THEN THEY VOTE.

THEY VOTED AND SAID, NO, Y'ALL VOTE OR Y'ALL APPOINT.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE NOW.

SO THEY THEY PUT THE THEY PUT THE BURDEN ON US.

THEY PUT THE BURDEN ON US AS WHERE I AM, WHERE I'M AT.

OKAY. WELL, THEN THEN WE'RE GOOD.

THERE'S NO APPETITE FOR THAT.

YEAH, THERE'S NO APPETITE.

THEN I'M GOOD. BUT AT LEAST I BROUGHT IT UP.

AND I'M SATISFIED WITH THAT.

AT THIS TIME, I JUST FEEL THAT WE WE COULD FIX THAT.

THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT THE ELECTORAL PROCESS THAT I REALLY BELIEVE.

ANYONE THAT SITS ON THIS DAIS.

RIGHT. AND I KNOW THAT WE DISAGREE ON THAT.

SHOULD BE VOTED ON BY THE PUBLIC 139,000 PEOPLE.

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RIGHT. SO IT IS WHAT IT IS.

BUT AT LEAST I BRING IT UP.

I AM IN AGREEMENT.

LET'S LOOK AT THE WAY WE SPEAK ON THE IG.

SO WHICH WILL COME BACK IN TIME FOR THE VOTERS TO VOTE ON.

SO I'M, I'M GOOD WITH THAT.

SO IN THE MEANTIME, WE HAVE SPEAKER CARDS.

MR. STICE. I'M SORRY.

OH, MA'AM. YES, IF I COULD, JUST.

BECAUSE I KNOW, OF COURSE, MOST OF THE PUBLIC IS FAR MORE INTERESTED IN THE MILLAGE.

BUT IF I COULD SPEAK ON THE OTHER ITEM THAT WE ARE CONSIDERING BEFORE WE HAVE THE PUBLIC, SO AT LEAST THEY KNOW WHY I HAVE IT THERE.

BECAUSE I THINK IT IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE REFERENDUMS THAT IS THE LEAST PAID ATTENTION TO.

CERTAINLY NO ONE HAS ACTUALLY SPOKEN TO ME ABOUT THE ATTORNEY ONE, ALTHOUGH I'VE HAD PEOPLE SPEAK TO ME ABOUT THE MILLAGE, BUT THE ARE YOU WANT TO WANTING TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER THREE? IT'S THE SAME ITEM.

ITEM NUMBER ONE. ALL RIGHT, CARRY ON.

MA'AM. THE SECOND REFERENDUM THAT WE HAVE IS THE CHANGE SECTION 3.1 OF THE CHARTER.

AND THIS ITEM GOES BACK TO BEFORE THE CITY HAD IN-HOUSE COUNSEL.

WE ONLY HAD HAVE HAD ATTORNEYS EMPLOYED BY THE CITY SINCE APPROXIMATELY 2006 BEFORE THEN, THE COUNCIL WOULD EMPLOY AN OUTSIDE ATTORNEY WHO WOULD SERVE AS THE CITY ATTORNEY AND EMPLOY OTHER ATTORNEYS IF THAT PERSON NEEDED HELP.

SO SINCE COUNCIL WAS CONTRACTING, COUNCIL DETERMINED WHO THEY WERE GOING TO SELECT AND WHAT PAY OR BENEFITS THEY WOULD PROVIDE, AND IT MADE SENSE BECAUSE THE CITY ATTORNEY WAS ACTUALLY DIFFERENT THAN THE CLERK OR THE LEGS.

THE, THE CITY MANAGER, BECAUSE THOSE WERE IN-HOUSE EMPLOYEES.

NOW, SINCE 2006, THE CITY DIRECTLY EMPLOYS THE CITY ATTORNEY.

HOWEVER, I DON'T SELECT THE ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEYS OR DETERMINE THEIR PAY.

SO MY ABILITY TO MANAGE MY OFFICE IS DIFFERENT THAN EITHER OF MY CHARTER OFFICERS.

AND SO I AM ASKING NOW THAT WE ARE ALL IN HOUSE, THAT WE ALL HAVE THE SAME RESPONSIBILITY TO ACTUALLY MANAGE THE PEOPLE THAT WORK UNDERNEATH US, AND THAT'S ALL THAT VISION IS ABOUT.

THANK YOU FOR THE EXPLANATION.

SO NOW WE'LL DEPUTY MAYOR SPEAKER CARDS, MR. STICE. ROBERT STICE 1796, ONE BROOK DRIVE, SOUTHEAST. I THINK THERE'S MORE THAN ONE WAY OF WORKING THIS HERE.

WHAT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, KEN, I'LL CALL IT BRAINSTORMING.

TELL YOU HOW OLD I AM. BUT WHAT ABOUT CONSIDERING APPOINTING NOT TO EXCEED? YOU CAN PICK A DATE FOR SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR UNTIL THAT NEXT DATE WOULD COME UP WHEN YOU'RE ACTUALLY HAVE THAT ELECTION, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND YOU DON'T WANT TO DROP $250,000 AT THE SAME TIME, YOU MAKE A VALID POINT THAT PEOPLE SHOULD VOTE.

BUT TO HAVE A COUPLE OF EMPTY CHAIRS UP HERE FOR QUITE A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.

I DIDN'T MEAN TO STOP YOU.

NEW BUSINESS NUMBER ONE.

I BEG YOUR PARDON? THIS IS WHAT I WANTED TO.

THIS IS WHAT I WANTED. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE RIGHT.

THE MILLAGE. OKAY.

YOU WANT TO SAVE THAT FOR LAST COMMENT? PUBLIC COMMENT? NO, I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT, I APOLOGIZE.

JUST. ALL RIGHT.

I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE YOU WERE GOING AT FIRST, SIR.

GIVE ME A WHILE. YES, SIR.

YEAH. YOU GET THE PRIMER GOING, RIGHT, SIR.

UNDERSTOOD. MISS RIVERA.

RIVERA. MISS RIVERA.

BUT YOU DIDN'T WANT TO MISS THIS PLACE.

YOU DIDN'T WANT TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM BECAUSE YOU FILLED OUT A PUBLIC COMMENT CARD.

DIDN'T FOR NUMBER ONE.

YOU DIDN'T WANT TO SPEAK ON THAT.

ALL RIGHT, SIR. CARRY ON.

MA'AM. COME ON.

I'M EDITH RIVERA, I LIVE IN 1390 JARVIS STREET, AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE PROPOSAL THAT IS AT HAND.

I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS MYSELF TO THE HONORABLE MAYOR, THE COUNCILMEN AND THE LADIES.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION.

TODAY I AM REPRESENTING MY CHILDREN, MY GRANDCHILDREN, AND THOSE CITIZENS THAT ARE TIRED OF BEING NEGLECTED ON YOUR RESPONSIBILITY FOR US.

THEY FEEL THAT THEY ARE DEAD TO YOU GUYS.

I WANT YOU TO CONSIDER THIS CONSENT BY GOVERNMENT.

IT IS A FUNDAMENTAL FACT OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE.

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THAT MEANS THAT YOU WORK FOR US.

WE VOTED YOU INTO OFFICE, AND WE EXPECT YOU TO WORK FOR US.

UNFORTUNATELY, YOU ARE OUR SERVANTS.

BUT WE AS CITIZENS NEED TO PICK UP AND BE GOOD CITIZENS AND RESPONSIBLE CITIZENS IN ORDER FOR YOU TO DO YOUR JOB.

TODAY, THE PROPOSAL THAT IS AT HANDS THE ORDINANCE OF TWO MILLS FOR THE VALUE OF EACH HOME IS VIOLATING THE 3% CAP.

EXCUSE ME. AND DUE TO THAT, YOU'RE ALSO VIOLATING THE FLORIDA STATUTE, WHICH VIOLATES OUR TRUST FOR YOU.

WHY ARE YOU NOT USING THE GENERAL FUNDS TO GIVE OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND POLICE OFFICERS THEIR RAISE? I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT I AM NOT AGAINST THEM GETTING THEIR RAISES IN THE MATERIALS THAT THEY NEED TO STAY SAFE AND PROTECT US.

HOWEVER, I FEEL THAT IT IS A QUICK JUDGMENT TO IMMEDIATELY GO TO TAX THE CITIZENS. THE COST OF LIVING HAS CONTINUED TO RISE AND I BETTER TALK REALLY FAST.

AND WE HAVE CITIZENS AND VETERANS WHO ARE RETIRED AND THEY ARE ON A FIXED INCOME.

I WON'T GO INTO THE PRICES AND HOW IT'S CALCULATED, BUT GOING THROUGH THAT YOU WOULD GET MORE THAN 2 OR $3 MILLION.

WHAT WILL YOU DO WITH THAT MONEY? I'M GOING TO CHALLENGE YOU TODAY.

THREE GENTLEMEN. WHO'S GOING TO BE THE ONE TO STAY STRONG, BE OF GOOD COURAGE, AND NOT BE AFRAID TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS FOR THE CITIZENS OF PALM BAY.

I SAY VOTE NO.

THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER.

MR.. BATTEN. BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY. CLASS COUNCILMAN BAILEY SUBMITTED THE INFORMATION TO APPLY FOR A 3% CAP.

COUNCIL APPROVED PUTTING IT ON THE CHARTER AMENDMENT AND THE VOTERS VOTED IN IN FAVOR.

THAT WAS ALSO WHEN THE VOTERS ALSO DECIDED TO GIVE YOU YOUR FUND, YOUR FUNDING BASED ON POPULATION THREE.

THEN THE COUNCIL PROPOSES A PAY INCREASE, WHICH VOTERS SAY NO.

SO YOU GIVE YOURSELVES AN INCREASE OF AN EXPENSE ACCOUNT BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T GET YOUR PAY RAISE.

THAT EQUATES TO MORE MANIPULATION TO GET WHAT YOU WANT.

FIVE. SO NOW YOU WILL MANIPULATE TERMINOLOGY TO BYPASS THE 3% CAP BY ASKING FOR A 0.2 MILLAGE RATE FOR SAFETY. SO 7.0 APPROPRIATION FOR OPERATION MILLAGE PLUS A 1.1 DEBT.

MILLAGE OPERATION PLUS A TWO MILLAGE SAFETY OPERATION THAT PUTS US AT A MILLAGE RATE OF 10.13, WHICH EXCEEDS THE 1010 MILLAGE RATE FOR THE STATE. ALL RIGHT.

NOW TO PUT IT INTO ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE THAT INDIVIDUALS CAN UNDERSTAND THAT TOO.

IF YOU GO TO THE MAXIMUM OF YOUR TWO MILLAGE RATE THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR ON A $200,000 HOME, THE AVERAGE HOME IN PALM BAY IS 318,000, BUT JUST ON A $200,000 HOME, THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL $600 THAT COMES OUT OF THE INDIVIDUAL'S BUDGET.

NOW, AS FOR THE SECOND PART, AS FOR THE SECOND CHARTER AMENDMENT, MAYBE YOU SHOULD LOOK AT THE PROCESS AND GRANT EQUAL TREATMENT TO YOUR CHARTER MEMBERS.

RIGHT? RIGHT.

WITHOUT, AS I LOOK AT THIS, WITHOUT HAVING TO INCREASE BUDGET, IF THEY WANT TO WORK WITHIN THEIR OWN BUDGET, FINE.

YOU NEED MORE PEOPLE. YOU NEED MORE PEOPLE.

THAT'S GREAT.

YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.

BUT DON'T ASK FOR ME TO GIVE YOU MORE MONEY TO DO IT RIGHT.

TONGUE IN CHEEK ON THIS ONE.

OKAY, JUST BECAUSE I DO HAVE A SENSE OF HUMOR, I'M IN FAVOR OF THE CITY ATTORNEY HAVING THE ABILITY TO MANIPULATE, TO MANIPULATE AND OPERATE WITHIN HER OWN OFFICE. HOWEVER, I DON'T WANT TO SEE A SCENARIO LIKE WILLIS HIRING WADE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER, MR. HAMMER.

HOW'S IT GOING TONIGHT? MIKE HAMMER, EIGHT SEVEN, FOUR UNDERHILL AVENUE, PALM BAY.

AS A FORMER FIREFIGHTER AND A FORMER CITY EMPLOYEE, I KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO GET FUNDS WITHIN THE CITY.

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I UNDERSTAND THAT COMPLETELY.

ONE THING THAT'S CRAZY ABOUT THE CITY OF PALM BAY IS IT'S DEVELOPING, AND IT'S DEVELOPING FAST.

YOU WOULD THINK THERE WOULD BE SOME PROCESS WHERE YOU WOULD GET MONEY THE MORE THAT IT DEVELOPS.

I THINK IT'S CALLED THE IMPACT FEES.

I THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS THOSE, ESPECIALLY AFTER EARLIER TONIGHT, WE FOUND OUT WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF LEEWAY WITH WORKING ON THOSE.

I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE TABLE WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS ON THE TWO MILL.

WE'RE WE NEED TO FIND OUT WHAT THE IMPACT FEE STRUCTURE CAN BE.

THEN MAYBE HAVE A WORKSHOP AND DISCUSS THIS.

OTHER THAN THAT, YOU GUYS HAVE A LOT ON YOUR PLATE, AND 600 BUCKS A MONTH OR A YEAR IS A LOT FOR SOME OF US.

ESPECIALLY WITH ALL THE ALL THE ALL THE JOBS THAT AREN'T COMING IN, ALL THE MONEY THAT PEOPLE AREN'T MAKING.

WE'RE NOT GETTING RAISES.

WE'RE NOT GETTING ANYTHING ELSE.

I THINK AS CITIZENS, WE ARE OWED A LOT FOR BEING THE HIGHEST, HIGHEST TAXED CITY IN THE COUNTY.

I BELIEVE WE NEED A LITTLE BIT OF OF LEEWAY.

AND I THINK THIS IS A GOOD PLACE FOR YOU GUYS TO START TO TAKE STAND FOR US.

NEXT SPEAKER. MISS CONNOLLY.

GOOD EVENING. SUSAN CONNOLLY, 3901 DIXIE HIGHWAY, NORTHEAST PALM BAY.

SO IT'S NO SURPRISE TO CITIZENS THAT PALM BAY IS THE LARGEST AND FASTEST GROWING CITY WITHIN BREVARD COUNTY.

THANK YOU. AND IT IS ALSO NO SURPRISE TO CITIZENS THAT AS OUR CITY GROWS, SO DOES OUR NEED FOR SAFETY SERVICES, INFRASTRUCTURE AND OTHER COSTS RELATED TO GROWTH.

WHAT IS A SURPRISE IS CITY COUNCIL'S AS AS REPRESENTATIVES OF WE THE PEOPLE ARE REQUESTING CITIZENS TO LOOK AT TAXING OURSELVES AND ADDITIONAL TWO MIL AD VALOREM TAX FOR PUBLIC SAFETY PURPOSES.

I WANT TO READ FROM THE BACKUP DOCUMENTS THE REASON THE COUNCIL GIVES FOR PRESENTING THIS TO THE CITIZENS.

THE 3% RESTRICTION IN THE CHARTER DIRECTS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL CANNOT SET AND AD VALOREM MILLAGE RATE THAT CAUSES THE BUDGETED REVENUE OF THE CITY TO INCREASE MORE THAN 3% OVER THE PRIOR YEAR'S BUDGETED REVENUE.

THIS IS THE IMPORTANT LINE THE IMPACT OF THIS SECTION, MEANING THE 3% CAP, IS A SIGNIFICANT ANNUAL DECREASE IN THE AD VALOREM TAX RATE, WHICH WE ARE EXPERIENCING.

THE TAX RATE HAS DROPPED.

AND AND THIS IS IMPORTANT AND LIMITS FUNDING AVAILABLE TO MEET THE NEEDS OF A HIGH GROWTH CITY.

SO WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE IS CREATE A DILEMMA.

IN ORDER TO HAVE LOW PROPERTY RATES, WHICH IS WHAT THE CITIZENS HAVE ASKED AND VOTED ON.

WE MUST HAVE LOWER SPENDING AND THAT IS ACCOMPLISHED THROUGH THE 3% CAP.

SO GOING FORWARD, WE NEED TO FIGURE A BUDGET METHOD THAT IS MORE IN LINE WITH THE NEEDS OF A HIGH GROWTH CITY, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. IT SAYS SO RIGHT HERE IN YOUR REASONS FOR ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL PROPERTY TAX.

MY RECOMMENDATION IS IF COUNCIL IS WILLING TO GO TO THE EXTENT OF ASKING CITIZENS TO CHANGE AN ALREADY VOTED ON ORDINANCE THROUGH A VOTE AND A REFERENDUM, WHY DOES COUNCIL NOT CONSIDER ALTERNATIVE WAYS OF DEALING WITH THE REAL PROBLEM? AND THAT IS KEEPING OUR PROPERTY TAXES REASONABLE, WHILE FIGURING A WAY TO INCREASE REVENUE THAT MEETS THE DEMAND OF A CITY IN HIGH GROWTH.

I THINK SO WHAT I'M ASKING IS THAT WE HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE PRESENTED.

THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER.

MR. GORE.

THIS SECOND.

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THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

THOMAS GOMM, 1700 LANTANA COURT.

I THOUGHT MAYBE I COULD JUST ADD A LITTLE HISTORY TO THE DISCUSSION.

AS FAR AS THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SPECIAL ELECTION, THE PRIOR LANGUAGE IN THE CHARTER WAS THERE WAS NO APPOINTMENT.

SPECIAL ELECTION WAS HELD NO SOONER THAN 90 DAYS, NO LATER THAN 120 DAYS.

OBVIOUSLY, THAT WAS CHANGED, AND OBVIOUSLY WHAT IT CHANGED TO DIDN'T WORK.

SO WE SHOULD GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE.

SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT FORWARD ON THE 2% MIL OR TWO MIL REFERENDUM.

A LITTLE HISTORY ON THE 3% CAP.

COUNCILMAN BAILEY BROUGHT THE 3% CAP FORWARD AS A BARGAINING TOOL WHEN THEY PUT SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS ON THE BALLOT AT THE SAME TIME, AND BOTH PASSED, AND IMMEDIATELY UPON THE SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS PASSED, THAT CITY COUNCIL ENCUMBERED OVER $2 MILLION, MAKING IT DIFFICULT TO UNDO THOSE ASSESSMENTS.

AND THEN, AS YOU KNOW, THE POWER TO ASSESS HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE THEY WENT TO EXTREMES.

SO WHILE THE CITY MANAGER MAKES A POINT THAT IF WE ONLY DO 5.5 MIL, I LOOK AT HISTORY.

HISTORICALLY, THEY WENT FULL BORE RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE, AND THAT'S WHAT'LL HAPPEN.

YOU'LL GO IMMEDIATELY TO TWO ADDITIONAL MIL BECAUSE THAT'S THE NEED OF THE CITY.

SO A LITTLE MORE HISTORY.

THAT 3% CAP WAS PUT IN PLACE BY 70% OF THE VOTERS IN 2020.

IT WAS REAFFIRMED WITH 65% OF THE VOTERS.

BY EVERYONE'S CALCULATIONS, THOSE WERE BOTH LANDSLIDES.

SO IF YOU WANT TO LOSE IN A LANDSLIDE IN AN UPCOMING ELECTION, THIS IS A REAL GOOD WAY TO DO IT.

NEXT SPEAKER. MR. MILES. DOCTOR.

ALAN MILES, 350 GAVI ROAD.

I JUST WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT NUMBER ONE BRIEFLY.

I THINK THAT THE $250,000 WAS READING.

THE ORDINANCES WERE CHANGED ORIGINALLY TO HAVE A SPECIAL ELECTION, AND AT 10 TO 20%, PEOPLE VOTING AT AN ODDBALL TIME AND AN ODDBALL TIME OF THE YEAR FOR NO OTHER PURPOSE THAN TO ELECT ONE PERSON, DOESN'T SEEM RATIONAL TO ME.

THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER.

MAYOR, THIS IS COMPLETE SPEAKER CARDS FOR THIS ITEM.

OKAY. SO COUNCIL.

WHAT WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE? COUNCILMAN. JOHNSON.

THANK YOU. MAYOR.

THIS IS ONE I HAD TO I HAD TO SIT, I HAD TO I HAD TO PRAY AND MEDITATE ON.

AND HONESTLY, LOOKING BACK AT WE TALK ABOUT HISTORY, I'M SURPRISED THIS PLACE ISN'T PACKED.

I'M ACTUALLY VERY SURPRISED THIS PLACE ISN'T PACKED.

WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE STORM WATER ASSESSMENTS AND HOW PACKED IT WAS FOR THAT.

AND THAT WAS 100 AND SOMETHING DOLLARS.

THAT WAS 160, $170.

I'M VERY SURPRISED BECAUSE, YEAH, TWO.

YEAH, TWO PIZZAS WAS THE COMMENT MY PREDECESSOR, I WON'T EVEN SAY MY PREDECESSOR PERSON SAT BEFORE ME HAD SAID, BUT WITH THIS I LOOKED AT THE SAME NUMBERS.

MR. BATTEN, THE AVERAGE HOUSE IS ABOUT 300, 318,000.

SO THAT'S ABOUT 600 $600.

AND LIKE PRESIDENT REAGAN SAID IT BEST.

GOVERNMENT'S THE PROBLEM.

I'M I'LL BE HONEST, IF I HAD THE HINDSIGHT FROM 2018 THAT I HAVE NOW IN A LOT OF THE PUDS, I HAD PREVIOUSLY APPROVED A LOT OF THE MULTI-FAMILIES I HAD APPROVED, I WOULDN'T HAVE APPROVED THEM BACK THEN BECAUSE WE'RE YES, WE'RE ADDING MORE POLICE OFFICERS, BUT THEN WE'RE ALSO ADDING MORE PEOPLE.

SO I'LL BE THE FIRST TO ACKNOWLEDGE I WAS PART OF THE PROBLEM.

MR. MORRIS, I KNOW WE DIDN'T GET ALONG IN THE VERY BEGINNING, BUT I CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH YOU ANY TIME.

AND I APPRECIATE YOUR FEEDBACK, SIR, BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT.

SO DOING THAT, IT MAKES ME THINK BACK WHEN I WAS IRRESPONSIBLE IN COLLEGE, MY DAD WOULD GIVE ME $100 A MONTH AND IT WAS ON ME ON HOW I SPENT IT.

IF I SPENT IT ON GAS, IF I SPENT IT ON FAST FOOD, AND IF I DIDN'T SPEND IT ACCORDINGLY, THEN I HAD TO DIAL SPINNING BACK.

I HAD TO EAT RAMEN NOODLES, I HAD TO EAT PBJ'S.

SO THE CHARTER, YOU KNOW, ARTICLE EIGHT HAS IT WHERE OUR PRIORITY IS PUBLIC SAFETY.

SO IT'S JUST GOING TO HAVE TO COME DOWN TO US AS COUNCIL TO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CUT SOME THINGS OUT AND MAKE SURE THAT PUBLIC SAFETY IS THE PRIORITY RIGHT NOW. I APPRECIATE IT, BUT IT'S IT'S IT'S WHAT IT IS AND IT'S UNFORTUNATE.

BUT THAT'S WHERE WE I THINK, MAYOR, WE NEED TO HAVE ANOTHER WORKSHOP.

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I KNOW, COUNCILMAN, I MEAN, I KNOW DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX SAID AUGUST 6TH WOULDN'T WORK, BUT WE CAN POSSIBLY EAT JUST X THIS OR TABLE IT HOWEVER YOU WANT.

WELL, I SAY EXIT, BUT AUGUST 4TH OR EIGHTH HAVE A CONVERSATION OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE MOVING THE BUDGET AROUND SIGNIFICANTLY, BECAUSE I THINK EVERYBODY SEES THE SAME THING WE SEE WITH THE MARKET.

IT'S IT'S ONLY A MATTER OF TIME, IT'S ONLY A MATTER OF TIME.

AND KNOWING THAT, LET'S TRY TO BE AS PROACTIVE AS WE CAN, WHICH WE WERE TRYING TO DO WITH THIS.

I WAS ON BOARD.

WE WERE TRYING TO DO WITH THIS, BUT LOOKING AT IT NOW, LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS, AND IT'S NOT BECAUSE IT'S NOT THAT I'M INTIMIDATED BY THE PEOPLE SPEAKING.

Y'ALL ARE SPEAKING YOUR HEARTS OUT.

AND I HEAR EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I'M SEEING EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

SO THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY I WAS PUSHING THE MORATORIUM THERE, BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT I WAS STARTING TO SEE.

I WAS LIKE, OKAY, I'M I'M I'M SEEING WHAT PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

I'M USUALLY AT WORK AT FIVE IN THE MORNING, SO I MISS TRAFFIC.

BUT NOW WHEN I'M GOING MID-DAY AND THE KIDS AREN'T IN SCHOOL, I'M LIKE, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT EVERYBODY'S TALKING ABOUT.

PUBLIX, THANKSGIVING.

EVERY, EVERY DAY.

I'M SEEING EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

SO JUST I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN GO ABOUT IT.

I'M NOT GOING TO ACT LIKE I HAVE THE ANSWERS, BUT I DEFINITELY KNOW THAT WE AS COUNCIL WHILE WE DIDN'T DO THE MORATORIUM, WE CAN BE A HARD NO ON PUDS AND MULTIFAMILY WHEN THEY COME TO US. I LOOK BACK AT THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL THAT YOU BROUGHT BEFORE US, MAYOR.

I WISH I HAD THE HINDSIGHT THEN, BUT I DIDN'T.

I APOLOGIZE.

BUT I WOULD HAVE KEPT THAT THE WAY IT WAS, TOO.

BUT HERE WE ARE NOW.

WE CAN'T CRY OVER SPILLED MILK, BUT WE CAN TRY TO JUST ADDRESS THE PRESENT TO MAKE A BETTER FUTURE.

SO THAT'S THAT'S WHO I AM, SIR.

IT'S IT'S IT'S IT'S TOUGH.

IT'S TOUGH FOR ALL OF US. BUT WE HAVE THE WE HAVE THE TEAM TO DO IT.

SO THAT'S THAT'S ALL, SIR.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR.

MAYOR, I TEND TO HAVE A DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT STAND ON THAT.

SO WHAT'S AT HAND TONIGHT IS ASKING US TO MAKE A DECISION.

SO ULTIMATELY WE JUST SAYING THAT HERE THE VOTERS, 95,000 REGISTERED VOTERS IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY, ON AVERAGE FOR GENERAL ELECTION, PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS, ON AVERAGE OF.

WE EXPECTING 82,082% TURNOUT.

I THINK WE JUST A CONDUIT.

JUST PUT IT IN FRONT OF THEM.

LET THEM WEIGH IN.

THAT'S THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT IT.

I MEAN, YEAH. DO WE HAVE A NEED? ABSOLUTELY. IS THERE ARE WE SEEING TOUGH TIME? ABSOLUTELY. I'M A TAXPAYER, TOO.

I PAY A WHOLE LOT OF TAX TO THE CITY.

I MEAN, IT WOULD HURT ME JUST AS MUCH.

AND. BUT THE NEEDS ARE GREAT PEOPLE.

THE NEEDS ARE THERE.

I MEAN, WE WE LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS.

POLICE CHIEF LAST WEEK TOLD US WE WE JUST ABOUT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE NUMBER PALM BAY VERSUS WHERE WE RANK IN THE STATE.

IT LOOKS PRETTY BAD.

YES I DO.

I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU.

COUNCILMAN. JOHNSON.

IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE DECISION WE'VE PREVIOUSLY MADE WE MAY PROBABLY WOULD.

I MEAN, AS, AS WE FACING, WE'RE FACING A REALITY.

AND YOU RECOGNIZE GREAT LEADERS WHEN FACING ADVERSITY.

HOW DO WE REACT? HOW DO WE MAKE DECISIONS? DO WE FOLD OR DO WE FACE IT HEADS ON? I MEAN, WE I MEAN, THAT'S REALITY.

WHAT WE ASKED TO DO TONIGHT, WE NOT THE ULTIMATE DECISION MAKER.

THE VOTERS ARE YOU GUYS ARE.

WE ARE I MEAN AM I THAT'S A WE'RE HAVING A CONVERSATION HERE.

I'M TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, REASON.

LET'S PUT IT TO YOU GUYS AND MAKE YOU GUYS MAKE THE DECISION.

YOU'VE PROVEN TO BE SOLID IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU GUYS WANT OR NOT.

YOU'VE PROVEN IT TO US AND ALL WE'LL DO IS SAY, OKAY, WE WORK FOR YOU, I WORK FOR YOU.

YOU'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TO TO GRADE ME WITHIN THE NEXT ELECTION.

AND I'M UP FOR THAT.

AND I CAN FACE THAT.

I'M A MAN. I'M GOING TO BE MAN ENOUGH NOT TO FOLD.

I'M GOING TO DO WHAT IS WHAT I'M FACING HERE.

HERE'S A THE SCENARIO.

AND AND THERE'S NOT AN APPETITE FOR THIS TONIGHT.

RIGHT. AS WE SAY.

YAY! LET'S PUT IT IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS.

IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.

THE NUMBERS ARE SO BAD.

AND I WAS VERY UPSET.

AND THESE THINGS WEIGH ON ME.

I TAKE MY JOB VERY SERIOUSLY.

I SPENT MOST OF MOST OF MY TIME.

MY DAYS ARE CONSTANTLY 80% TO THE DEDICATED TO THE CITY, 20% TRYING TO MAKE A DOLLAR TO FEED MY FAMILY.

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MOST OF THE TIME THAT'S THE STATISTICS.

THAT'S HOW MY DAYS GOES.

OFTENTIMES, I HAVE TO TRY TO BALANCE IT BECAUSE I GOT TO WORK.

I GOT TO FEED MY FAMILY BECAUSE CERTAINLY THIS DOESN'T DO IT RIGHT.

BAILEY PUT GUYS IN MY POCKET TO SERVE YOU.

THAT'S THE COST.

IT'S A COST TO ME TO SERVE THIS GREAT CITY THAT I LOVE.

LET'S LET'S LOOK AT A SCENARIO, A CALL, AN EMERGENCY CALL.

COME. ALL FIRE FIGHTERS OR GREAT FIREFIGHTERS, TAKE 18 MINUTES TO GET TO YOUR CALL.

WORST CASE SCENARIO, SOMETHING TRAGIC HAPPENED.

SOMETHING TRAGIC HAPPENED.

YEAH. IT'S ON US.

EXACTLY. SO THIS IS THE WE TALKED ABOUT 100, POTENTIALLY 600 HOURS IN SOME CASES.

NOW, WHAT IS THE COST OF A LIFE? THAT COULD BE MY FAMILY.

THAT COULD BE YOURS.

18 MINUTES THAT WE ALL SHOULD BE OUTRAGED.

AND I AM SO I'M I'M I'M WILLING TO DO WHATEVER IT TAKES.

DEBT SERVICE, WHATEVER IT MAY BE.

CUT DOWN WHAT WE NEED TO CUT, INCLUDING THIS TONIGHT TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.

BECAUSE MY NUMBER ONE RESPONSIBILITY, MR. GUM, WHATEVER HOWEVER YOU FEEL AND WE'RE HAVING A CONVERSATION, YOU CAN CONTINUE SHAKING YOUR HEAD.

BUT I'M JUST SAYING WE HAVE A CONVERSATION TO THE 90,000, 95,000 VOTERS.

THAT'S WHO I'M TALKING TO RIGHT NOW.

I UNDERSTAND YOU, ONE OF THEM I'M TOO.

BUT LET'S FACE IT, ALL IT TAKES IS ONE LIFE DUE TO THE LACK OF RESPONSE TIME OR, YOU KNOW, THE EQUATION OR POLICE OFFICERS, HOW FAR OFF WE ARE.

SO. SO THIS IS WHAT I'M WILLING TO PUT IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS.

YOU GUYS WILL BE THE DECISION MAKER.

I'M. WHAT I'M ASKING TO DO TONIGHT IS TO PUT IN YOUR HAND.

SO YOU GUYS HAVE GREAT WISDOM, AND I KNOW YOU DO.

YOU SHOWED IT BEFORE AND LET YOU GUYS DECIDE.

THAT'S WHAT I'M DOING. I'M DOING AS A RESPONSIBLE COUNCILMAN.

NOW, YOU GUYS HIRED ME TO MAKE THOSE TOUGH DECISIONS.

THIS IS ONE OF THE TOUGH CALL THAT MAY MAYBE SOME REPERCUSSION THAT I'M WILLING TO ACCEPT IN FACE.

AND OBVIOUSLY, I DON'T NEED TO SAY WHERE I STAND ON THAT.

SO I'M SUPPORTING IT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR.

SO A LOT HAS BEEN SAID.

A LOT HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT HISTORY OF THE CITY.

I'VE BEEN HERE 36 YEARS, AND IN THE 36 YEARS THAT WERE THAT WERE OPPORTUNITIES TO ADDRESS OUR WAIT TIMES FOR SERVICE REGARDING POLICE AND FIRE.

THEY DIFFERENT THEY HAD DIFFERENT GROUPS OF OUR COMMUNITY CAME TOGETHER WITH BOARDS AND THEY HAD A VISION FOR FOR THE CITY THAT INCLUDED FIRE AND POLICE.

AND THE SAME RESPONSE TIME HAVE EVEN GOTTEN WORSE FROM WAY BACK THEN.

FROM BACK IN THE 90S.

AND I REMEMBER THESE BOARDS BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF HOPE AND A LOT OF COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT, AND I SHARED THAT WITH THIS COUNCIL YEARS AGO ON THEIR VISION BOARDS, IS WHAT IT WAS CALLED.

RIGHT? AND IN THAT OUR CITIZENS AND I KNOW FRED HAS GOT TO REMEMBER, BECAUSE HE'S BEEN HERE LONGER THAN ME. IN THAT WE HAD OUR CITIZENS SAY, OKAY, COUNCIL, YOU NEED TO MOVE THIS BALL FORWARD.

AND ALL THOSE YEARS.

IT HASN'T BEEN DONE IN ALL THOSE YEARS.

WE'VE CONTINUED TO GROW.

AND YOU'RE RIGHT. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

I WAS THE ONE THAT WAS STEADFAST HERE WITH RURAL RESIDENTIAL.

I LOVE ONE ACRE LOTS.

I LOVE FIVE ACRE LOTS AND WE HAVE LOST THEM, RIGHT? I LOVE THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE THE VISION TODAY, AND I, I MEAN THAT BECAUSE THAT IS A FORM OF OF GROWTH, TOO.

AND HAVING A STAY AT HOMES.

BUT WHAT WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY IS THERE'S AN URGENT NEED TO ADD THREE NEW FIRE STATIONS, SEVEN, EIGHT AND NINE, AS WELL AS REPLACE TWO OLD FIRE STATIONS.

WE HAVE A STATION TWO AND RIGHT, RIGHT IN FRONT OF OUR OUR CITY HALL.

THAT IS SO INADEQUATE FOR OUR PERSONNEL.

AND THIS THIS REALLY GETS TO ME.

THE STATE AVERAGE IS 2.31 POLICE OFFICERS PER 1000 RESIDENTS.

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YOU KNOW WHAT OUR CURRENT RANKING IS? 1.36. I VENTURE TO SAY HE HASN'T MOVED THAT MUCH SINCE 1990 OR THEREABOUTS.

THIS WAS BROUGHT TO US BECAUSE WE WERE DISCUSSING HOW WHAT OPTIONS, WHAT TOOLS CAN WE PROVIDE OUR CITIZENRY WITH THIS DILEMMA THAT WE'VE BEEN FACING? WE ARE RANKED 239 OUT OF 248 POLICE DEPARTMENTS.

239 WE'RE IN THE TOP TEN OF THE LOWEST.

WE'RE IN THE WORST.

AND YET, WE'RE GIVING.

WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TODAY IS GIVING THE CITIZENS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE.

ARE YOU WILLING TO? PROVIDE AN AD VALOREM DEDICATED SPECIFICALLY TO FIRST RESPONDERS RIGHT IN THE GROWTH IN THAT CAPACITY.

NOW, THAT BEING SAID, IT IS WARRANTED WHAT WAS ALREADY SPOKEN ON BY OUR CITIZENRY.

WHERE WILL WE BE RESPONSIBLE ENOUGH ON THIS DAIS NOT TO CHARGE THOSE TWO MILLAGES? THAT IS THE DISCUSSION.

AND I BELIEVE THAT THE CITIZENS WILL VOTE FOR THIS.

YAY OR NAY.

EITHER WAY, THIS IS A TOOL THAT WE ARE COMING TOGETHER.

WE ASK STAFF FOR THIS.

EVERYONE HERE ASKS STAFF FOR THIS.

AND THIS IS PART OF A TOOL THAT THEY'RE BRINGING FORTH THAT COULD REALLY MAKE AN IMPROVEMENT IN PUBLIC SAFETY IN OUR CITY.

NOW, IF THE PUBLIC VOTES NAY, THEN THERE'S ANOTHER OPTION.

WE WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AT HOW WE CAN MAKE UP THIS DEFICIT, BECAUSE WE'RE PUTTING PEOPLE'S LIVES AT STAKE.

WE'RE LITERALLY PUTTING PEOPLE'S LIVES AT STAKE HERE.

18 MINUTES TO TO RESPOND.

BUT I BELIEVE THAT THE CITIZENS NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE CRISIS THAT WE ARE IN.

I'VE BEEN SAYING THAT SINCE I GOT ON THIS DAIS, WE HAVE MOVED THE BALL FORWARD.

IT'S JUST NOT ENOUGH.

EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE DONE IN GIVING THEM VEHICLES AND FINANCES RIGHT NOW TO EQUIP THE POLICE OFFICER AND THE CHIEF'S NOT HERE IS THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS WITH A LAPTOP AND ALL THE TRAINING AND AND THE BULLETPROOF VESTS AND AND RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TO REALLY EQUIP THEM BECAUSE HOW MANY SHOOTINGS HAVE WE HAD? HOW MANY MURDERS HAVE WE HAD BY FAMILY MEMBERS KILLING THEMSELVES, KILLING THEIR OWN FAMILY MEMBERS? CRIME IS IS INCREASING IN OUR CITY, AND THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY.

I, I AGREE WITH YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR.

LET THE CITIZENS VOTE.

BUT ALONG WITH THAT, ALONG WITH THAT, IT IS RESPONSIBILITY FOR FUTURE COUNCILS. IF THIS WERE TO PASS, WHICH I REALLY DON'T KNOW, HOW THE CITIZENS WILL WILL LOOK AT THIS, BUT IT WOULD HELP THE PUBLIC SAFETY SECTOR IN OUR CITY.

THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL.

SOMETHING I'VE ALSO NOTICED SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THIS DAIS AND I'VE BEEN PART OF THIS COMMUNITY AGAIN, I'LL SAY 36 YEARS.

IS WHEN IT COMES TO SERVICES.

PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO LOSE THEIR SERVICES.

PEOPLE ARE ACCLIMATED TO GETTING A RESPONSE TIME QUICKLY.

I CAN TELL YOU FROM EXPERIENCE, MY PARENTS LIVES WERE SAVED BECAUSE PUBLIC SAFETY WAS RIGHT DOWN THE STREET.

RESPONDED, I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE IF IT WERE 18 MINUTES.

SO I BELIEVE THE RIGHT THING TO DO IS TO PROVIDE THIS INFORMATION TO THE VOTERS.

THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO INCLUDE IT? IT WOULD BE A DEDICATED MILLAGE.

IN OTHER WORDS, WE CANNOT MOVE THAT MILLAGE AROUND.

IT WOULD HAVE TO BE PUBLIC SAFETY AND THAT WOULD BE THE BOTTOM LINE.

AND SO WITH THAT, GENTLEMEN, I BELIEVE THIS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

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PUT IT TO THE VOTERS I HAVE SEEN THIS IS A LIFE AND DEATH MATTER.

WE STILL HAVE TO CONTINUE, MA'AM, TO WORK ON OPTIONS ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THIS UP.

AND AGAIN, I'M GOING TO REPEAT THIS.

THE CITY'S GROWTH HAS RESULTED IN AN URGENT NEED TO ADD THREE NEW FIRE STATIONS, AS WELL AS REPLACE TWO OLD FIRE STATIONS THAT HAVE MET THEIR SERVICE LIFE EXPECTANCY, WHICH IS TWO AND FIVE.

THESE SERVICES LEVEL INCREASES ALSO REQUIRE SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT IN PERSONNEL, OPERATING VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT.

THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT PROVIDES A STATE AVERAGE OF 2.31 POLICE OFFICERS PER 1000.

THE CITY'S CURRENT RANKING IS 1.36 POLICE OFFICERS PER 1000 RESIDENTS, THE LOWEST IN BREVARD COUNTY, AND RANKING PALM BAY 239 OUT OF 248 POLICE DEPARTMENTS IN THE ENTIRE STATE OF FLORIDA.

SO, GENTLEMEN AND FOR THOSE THAT ARE LISTENING AND WATCHING.

I TRULY BELIEVE THAT YOUR LIFE IS IMPORTANT TO ME.

LIFE IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY IS IMPORTANT.

YOU WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE ON THIS.

SO I WILL SUPPORT BRINGING THIS TO THE VOTERS.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING? COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, DEPUTY MAYOR? NO, SIR. I NEED A MOTION.

SO MOVED. I GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX, SECONDED BY MAYOR MEDINA.

MAYOR? YES.

I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THIS ITEM WAS GOING TO BE CONTINUED IN ORDER TO INCLUDE THE LANGUAGE FOR THE INSPECTOR GENERAL.

I, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT YOU WERE GOING TO BRING BACK THAT ITEM NEXT.

OR IS IT SUPPOSED TO ALL BE TOGETHER? IT WOULD NEED TO BE INCLUDED WITH THIS REFERENDUM ORDINANCE.

MADAM ATTORNEY. YES.

AND IF YOU VOTED FOR THIS ORDINANCE AND THEN THE NEXT MEETING YOU ADDED THE REF, THE IG, YOU JUST START OVER.

BECAUSE THAT WOULD THEN BE THE FIRST READING, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TWO READINGS THAT ARE JUST ALIKE.

SO IF YOU VOTE FOR TODAY AND YOU ADD YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY OKAY NOT MOVING IT FURTHER, WE'RE MOVING THE ITEM.

WE'RE NOT MOVING THE ITEM.

WE'RE. WE GOT A MOTION.

DO YOU WANT TO. WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS, COUNCILMAN OR DEPUTY MAYOR? WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS ONE MORE TIME, MAYOR.

I MEAN, I THINK I MAY HAVE EXPRESSED BEFORE I'M NOT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

I DON'T HAVE ANY APPETITE FOR THE IG.

THE AG. SO.

WELL, THERE I, I BELIEVE IN A AN IG WOULD BE WARRANTED BECAUSE I THINK IT GOES HAND IN HAND.

YEAH. RIGHT. IT'S REALLY ADDING AGAIN, YOU KNOW, ADDING MORE ADDING ANOTHER CHARTER OFFICER FISCAL IMPACT.

I KNOW WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED THAT, BUT CERTAINLY, I MEAN, WE I DON'T HAVE MUCH APPETITE FOR IT IF WE WANT TO HAVE A SEPARATE DISCUSSION.

OBVIOUSLY YOU GUYS ARE ON BOARD WITH THAT.

I MEAN, I'LL STILL MOVE FORWARD, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, FOR THE RECORD, I'M STILL STANDING, YOU KNOW, IN MY POSITION.

SO IT'S GOT TO BE ALL THREE FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND.

OR IT'S GOT TO BE ALL THREE, MA'AM.

YES, SIR. OKAY.

SO I'LL REMOVE MY SECOND AND I'LL, I'LL YIELD TO THE IG.

DISCUSSION. YES, SIR.

ALL RIGHT. SO, WHAT ARE WE DOING? I REMOVE MY SECOND.

SO THERE'S THERE'S WE'RE WE'RE TABLING THIS TILL AUGUST.

WELL, AND IT DIES FROM A LACK OF A SECOND.

SO THEN I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS TO THE AUGUST 2ND MEETING IN AUGUST 1ST.

1ST AUGUST FIRST MEETING.

OKAY. IS THAT GOOD, MA'AM? YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT, SO I, I SECOND IT.

WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE TO AUGUST 1ST.

IS IT? YES, SIR. AUGUST 1ST.

AYE. ALL OPPOSED? NAY. PASSES TWO, ONE.

WE'RE TABLED TILL AUGUST 1ST.

NUMBER TWO.

MAYOR. YES.

10:00. DID YOU WANT TO DO THE EXTENSION OF THE MEETING? I THINK WE SHOULD THINK. I THINK WE GOT I GOT AN HOUR.

I'LL LET YOU KNOW IN IN 40 MINUTES.

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GO AHEAD. CURFEWS 11.

CURFEWS 11. I GOT IT NOW.

ALL RIGHT. OUR ITEM NUMBER TWO.

ALL RIGHT. MOVING RIGHT ALONG.

THIS IS YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THE BASICALLY THE MILLAGE RATE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SET FOR 2025.

WE DISCUSSED THIS AT THE WORKSHOP LAST WEEK.

AND ESSENTIALLY THE THE MOTION THAT'S REQUESTING, AS WE TALKED ABOUT IT AT THE WORKSHOP IS TO SET THE OPERATING MILLAGE.

AT THE CURRENT MILLAGE RATE, WHICH IS 7.0171.

OF COURSE, RECOGNIZING THAT WE ARE BUILDING THE BUDGET BASED ON THE 3% CAP RATE, WHICH IS SIX POINT 7339, THERE IT IS.

6.7339. SO ESSENTIALLY THIS WOULD BE TO SET THE OPERATING MILLAGE RATE OF 7.0171, THE VOTED DEBT MILLAGE RATE OF 1.1210, AND ALSO TO OFFICIALLY APPROVE THE THE DATES THAT WE SET FOR THE ACTUAL PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR THE BUDGET, WHICH WOULD BE THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 12TH, 2024 AT 6 P.M. AND THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING DATE WOULD BE THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 26TH, 2024 AT 6 P.M..

THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU MA'AM.

ANY SPEAKER CARDS, DEPUTY MAYOR? YEAH. MISS DALPRA.

PAT DALPRA, 14 GEORGE'S AVENUE, PALM BAY.

I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE SPOKE THIS ON THE LAST THING I WANTED TO EXPLAIN THAT ANY TIME YOU PUT A REFERENDUM OR AMENDMENT OR WHATEVER ON THE BALLOT, THIS IS PER TIMBO BANNOCK, IS THAT THEY ONLY PUT 75 WORDS.

SO AS SOON AS THE 75TH WORD IS THERE, IT CUTS IT OFF.

SO PLEASE, WHENEVER YOU PUT ANYTHING FOR THE BALLOT, MAKE SURE THAT IT'S VERY CLEAR FOR THE FIRST 75 WORDS.

AND MY OTHER QUESTION WAS GOING TO BE WHY DON'T WE HAVE A VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT? THANK YOU MA'AM.

NEXT SPEAKER.

NO MORE SPEAKERS, SIR.

FOR THIS ITEM. OKAY.

WELL, I NEED A MOTION.

I NEED TO KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING TO SET IT.

I KNOW THAT I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO EXCEED THE CAP.

SO THAT WOULD BE SIX WHATEVER IT IS.

BUT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO SET IT AT THAT BECAUSE WE CAN'T BARRING ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS.

SO WE COULD SET IT AT THE GO AHEAD.

COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

I WAS GOING TO ASK, DO WE NEED SEPARATE MOTIONS FOR EACH ONE OR.

AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, YOU COULD DO IT ALL AS ONE, IF YOU'D LIKE.

OKAY, THEN. SO MOVED.

GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

SECOND, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, GENTLEMEN? ONLY DISCUSSION FOR MISS DALPRA.

I DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN DO A VOLUNTEER.

I KNOW UP NORTH THEY DO A LOT OF VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTERS.

I DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN DO IT DOWN HERE.

THE CHIEF SHAKING HIS HEAD.

YEAH. I DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN DO IT DOWN HERE, BUT THAT MIGHT BE UP FOR A FURTHER DISCUSSION WITH HIM.

SO. ALL RIGHT, THAT'S ALL.

WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER THREE.

AYE. AYE.

PASSES THREE ZERO.

MADAM SMITH, YOU PRESENT THIS ITEM.

YES, SIR. THIS IS AS WE RECENTLY DISCUSSED, THE CITY COUNCIL SETS THE SALARIES FOR THE ASSISTANT ATTORNEYS. AND CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW I HAVE THREE ATTORNEYS EMPLOYED AND WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THEIR SALARIES IN RELATION TO OTHER ATTORNEYS AND OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, AND EVEN IN RELATION TO EMPLOYEES WITHIN THE CITY.

THE CHIEF DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY INITIALLY WHEN WE DID THE SALARY STUDY, WE MADE THAT HIS POSITION EQUIVALENT WITH MISS YOUNG CARLA BROWN AS BEING THE MOST SENIOR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER THAT WAS IN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.

AND AS I STATED, BECAUSE MISS SHERMAN HAS THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE SALARY INCREASES SO LONG AS IT'S WITHIN HER BUDGET TO HER EMPLOYEES.

NOW WE HAVE SOMETHING WHERE SHE HAS BEEN ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT TO HER EMPLOYEES, AND BOTH OF HER DEPUTY CITY MANAGERS NOW MAKE MORE THAN MY CHIEF DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY, WHO HAS OVER 20 YEARS WORTH OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT EXPERIENCE AND HAS SERVED AS A PRIOR CITY ATTORNEY.

SO IT IS REALLY UNBALANCED.

SO WHAT I'M ASKING, AS FAR AS THE CHIEF DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY IS TO ONCE AGAIN ESTABLISH THE BALANCE AND TO GET HIM BACK TO THE

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THE PAY OF THESE OF MISS YOUNG CARLA BROWN, WHICH CURRENTLY NOW IS 166 073 THE DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEYS THAT I HAVE NOW, MR..

ERIC MESSENGER MESSENGER AND RODNEY EDWARDS.

THERE IS AN EVEN LARGER GAP AS FAR AS BETWEEN THEM AND OTHER CITIES AND OTHER EMPLOYEES.

RIGHT NOW, MR. EDWARDS EARNS $101,867, AND ERIC MESSENGER EARNS $113,578.

IF YOU DON'T EVEN CONSIDER ATTORNEYS, JUST LOOK AT OTHER STAFF.

MOST OF OUR ASSISTANT DIRECTORS GET PAID MORE THAN THEY DO.

AND THEN WHEN YOU LOOK OUT AS FAR AS WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING, YOU GO JUST TO MELBOURNE.

MELBOURNE HAS EXCELLENT ATTORNEYS.

THIS IS NOT DISPARAGE THEM BECAUSE THEY DESERVE EVERY CENT THAT MELBOURNE'S PAYING THEM.

BUT MELBOURNE IS A MUCH SMALLER CITY AND THEY'RE INSURED, SO THEIR LITIGATION IS HANDLED BY ATTORNEYS AT THE INSURANCE COMPANIES PROVIDE. WE ARE SELF-INSURED.

SO THE TORTS THAT OCCURRED, THE SLIP AND FALLS, THE CAR ACCIDENTS, THE LAWSUITS THAT ARE ALLEGING THAT OUR POLICE DID SOMETHING WRONG, THE CONTRACTS, ALL OF THESE DISPUTES ARE HANDLED IN-HOUSE HOUSE, AS WELL AS ADVISING BOARDS DOING THE STANDARD CONTRACT REVIEW, ADVISING DEPARTMENT HEADS.

SO THERE IS A LOT THAT WE ASK OF OUR ATTORNEYS, AND I THINK IT'S NOT UNREASONABLE THAT THEY ASK THAT THEY BE FAIRLY COMPENSATED FOR THE JOB THAT THEY DO.

SO I AM ASKING THAT WE MOVE THE DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEYS TO AT LEAST BE COMPARABLE WITH THE MELBOURNE ASSISTANT ATTORNEY.

WHICH RESULTS? AND WHAT DID THAT PUT? YOU HAVE THE ITEM.

IN THE SUMMARY, THE INCREASE THERE.

NO, I, I WAITED TO TALK TO YOU ALL.

I THEN HAVE TO MOVE THIS DURING THE BREAK.

NO. SO YOU CHANGED THE NUMBERS? OH NO, I HAVEN'T CHANGED THE NUMBERS OF WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE GETS PAID.

IT'S WHAT I'M ASKING YOU ALL.

I WAITED TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS WHAT YOU ALL WERE COMFORTABLE WITH.

AS FAR AS.

AS I SAID, THE CHIEF DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY.

I'M ASKING FOR ONE 6673.

DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY MESSENGER.

I'M ASKING FOR 133 339.

AND FOR DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY RODNEY EDWARDS, I'M 131 639, WHICH WOULD MATCH THE PAY OF THE MELBOURNE ASSISTANT ATTORNEY.

OKAY. ARE THERE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? WAIT. CAN YOU SAY THE NUMBERS AGAIN, MA'AM? I'M SORRY. IT SOUNDED DIFFERENT.

CHIEF DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY RODRIGUEZ WOULD BE 166,070 300 TO BE EQUAL WITH MISS MISS GIANCARLO GIANCARLO BROWN.

OKAY. RIGHT HERE. YEAH.

ALL RIGHT CARRY ON MA'AM.

MR. MESSENGER 133 339.

WHERE'S THAT? AND MR. EDWARDS 131 639 SO THAT HAS MR. EDWARDS BEING THE SAME AS THE MELBOURNE ATTORNEY AND KEEPING THE SAME PAY SEPARATION BETWEEN MR. EDWARDS AND MR. MESSENGER.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

OKAY. DO WE HAVE SPEAKER CARDS? YES. MR..

MR.. BILL. BATTEN. BILL BATTEN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

I HAVE TWO ITEMS ON THIS ONE.

WHEN I WAS GOING THROUGH THE PACKET, JUST LIKE THE CITY ATTORNEY JUST SAID, SHE NOW PRESENTED WHAT THE FUND, WHAT WHAT THEY WANTED THE SALARY TO BE.

I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THE PACKET.

SO THAT WAS MY FIRST QUESTION.

BUT NOW I KNOW WHAT IT IS.

SO I'M GOOD TO GO ON THAT ONE.

THE SECOND ONE WAS HOW MUCH DID THE SALARY SURVEY THAT THE CITY CONDUCTED AND THE SALARY SURVEY, WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN CITY WIDE. WHY DID IT? ONE QUESTION IS, WHY DID IT NOT INCLUDE CHARTER MEMBERS SO WE COULD MAKE A COMPARISON, SINCE THAT'S WHAT THE WHOLE BIG DEAL WAS ON.

THE SECOND PART OF THAT QUESTION IS HOW MUCH DID THAT SALARY SURVEY INCREASE? THE BUDGET THAT WE GAVE FOR THE EMPLOYEES? I DID I DID FIND OUT I TALKED WITH YOUR BUDGET MANAGER AND HER FINANCIAL MANAGER, AND HE SAID THAT IT CAME OUT ROUGHLY AROUND 15% INCREASE OF WHAT? EVERYBODY WENT UP ACROSS THAT BOARD WHEN THEY WERE DOING IT.

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SO IT WASN'T A 3% RAISE OR SOMETHING.

IT WAS A SIGNIFICANT JUMP, AND I UNDERSTAND IT WAS MEETING WHAT THE AVERAGE PERSON WAS SUPPOSED TO BE GETTING BASED ON THEIR TIME.

AND I WOULD SAY TIME AND SERVICE.

THERE YOU GO. TIME ON THE JOB.

AND THAT'S WHAT DETERMINED THEIR PAY.

I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IT WAS 15%.

SO WAS THAT PROPORTIONATELY CLOSE TO WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE GETTING ALSO WITH THEY START MAKING A COMPARISON.

IF IT'S GOING TO BE CLOSE TO WHAT THE EMPLOYEES ALSO GOT IS I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S GOING TO PLAY.

IT SHOULD NOT AFFECT WHAT THEY'RE ENTITLED TO.

BUT I'D JUST LIKE TO KNOW, BECAUSE I'M WATCHING BUDGETS THAT ARE SO TIGHT THAT WE CAN'T SAY ANYTHING, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE A FINANCIALLY SOUND CITY.

THIS IS TWO PART, I WOULD IMAGINE.

BECAUSE, MADAM SHERMAN, YOU HANDLED MOST OF THE EMPLOYEES.

SO MADAM ATTORNEY, YOU WANT TO DISCUSS WHERE WERE YOU PART OF THAT STUDY AND.

WELL, I ACTUALLY WASN'T INVOLVED IN THE STUDY.

ESSENTIALLY, THE NUMBERS CAME OUT TO ME AND I WAS TOLD THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE.

I'M NOT EVEN SURE WHO WE COMPARED IT, SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE STUDY.

OKAY. MADAM SHERMAN.

YEAH. SO JUST VERY BIG PICTURE.

THE STUDY LOOKED AT ALL POSITIONS CITYWIDE, AND WE WENT THROUGH AN ENTIRE REVIEW OF ALL THE POSITIONS, INCLUDING POSITIONS IN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, EXCEPT FOR YOURS.

AND ESSENTIALLY WHAT HAPPENED WAS ALL THE POSITIONS THEN GOT A 15 ON AVERAGE, A 15% INCREASE BECAUSE WE WERE SO FAR BEHIND COMPARED TO ALL OF OUR, OUR PEER NEIGHBORS.

AND WE IMPLEMENTED THAT OVER A TWO YEAR PERIOD OR TWO TWO, TWO SEGMENTS, I GUESS I WOULD SAY.

SO, YEAH, I DON'T HAVE THAT DATA IN FRONT OF ME, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE COMPANY THAT WE HIRED TO DO THAT LOOKED AT MULTIPLE AGENCIES, NEIGHBORING AGENCIES TO COME UP WITH THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS. AND BACK AT THAT TIME WHEN WE DID THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TRYING TO LIFT THE ENTIRE POPULATION OF THE CITY BECAUSE OUR LOWEST PAID EMPLOYEES AT THE TIME WERE, YOU KNOW, THE HOURLY WAGE RATE WAS AROUND $11 TO $11.

YEAH. SO.

RIGHT. AND IT WAS A LONG TIME BEFORE THAT THAT STUDY HAD COME UP WITH THOSE SALARY ADJUSTMENTS CAME OUT.

SO. YES, MA'AM I GET THAT.

ALL RIGHT. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS THERE, MASTER CHIEF? THANK YOU. ANY OTHER SPEAKER CARDS, DEPUTY MAYOR? NO, SIR. NOT FOR THIS ITEM.

OKAY. I NEED A MOTION.

SO MOVED. SECOND, GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

NOTHING ELSE TO ADD, MAYOR.

THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION, I GUESS, FOR MADAM ATTORNEY ARE HAVE YOU BEEN MORE HAVE YOU BEEN IMPRESSED WITH THE LEVEL OF EFFICIENCY AND SERVICE FROM THE GENTLEMAN? I THINK OUR OFFICE HAS BEEN DOING AN EXCELLENT JOB WITH THE LITIGATION, THE CASES THAT HAVE COME FORTH.

WE'VE BEEN LITIGATING CASES AS FAR AS MR. MESSENGER AND MR. EDWARDS, BOTH STATE COURT, WE'VE BEEN HANDLING FEDERAL LITIGATION, AND WE EVEN HAVE ADMINISTRATIVE ACTIONS.

WE'VE HAD A LOT OF THINGS WHERE WE'VE REALLY THERE HAVE BEEN CASES IN WHICH MR. EDWARDS AND MR. MESSENGER HAVE GOTTEN CASES DISMISSED, WITH THE CITY HAVING NO LIABILITY OR CASES WHERE WE'VE HAD LIABILITY, WHERE WE'VE MINIMIZE WHAT THE CITY HAS TO PAY THROUGH EFFECTIVE SETTLEMENT, THROUGH THE DISCOVERY PROCESS, AND ACTUALLY ADVOCATING FOR THE CITY.

SO THEY HAVE BEEN DOING QUITE A BIT, AND WE'VE RECENTLY LOOKED AT HOW WE HAVE BEEN DOING AS BEING SELF-INSURED, AND WE ACTUALLY STILL ALMOST, WHAT, TEN YEARS LATER.

STILL, IT IS MORE EFFECTIVE TO HAVE THEM HERE WITHIN THIS CITY.

NOT ONLY EFFECTIVE IN THE OUTCOME, BUT IT'S ALSO LESS THAN IF WE WERE ACTUALLY PAYING TO BE FULLY INSURED.

SO HAVING THEM HERE, AS OPPOSED TO HAVING TO GO OUT FOR INSURANCE IS A IS DEFINITELY A SAVINGS THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN MAINTAINING FOR SEVERAL YEARS BECAUSE WE STARTED COMING IN-HOUSE AROUND WHAT STARTED HERE IN 2011.

UNTIL SOMETIME AROUND 2012, WE STARTED SLOWLY BRINGING IN SOME OF THE FUNCTIONS WITH POLICE LIABILITY.

ONE OF THE FIRST ONES THAT I BROUGHT IN AS I WAS DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

I'M SATISFIED.

ALL RIGHT, SIR, ALL IN FAVOR? DEPUTY MAYOR, DID YOU? I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO ADD. I THINK MADAM ATTORNEY DID A GREAT JOB MAKING THE CASE FOR WHY SHE BROUGHT THIS BEFORE US.

AND I'M CERTAINLY IN SUPPORT OF IT.

I THINK IT MAKES SENSE.

WE CERTAINLY WE HAVE TO COMPENSATE OUR PROFESSIONALS ACCORDINGLY TO TO WHAT WE ASK THEM TO DO.

SO THAT'S WHY I'M SUPPORTING THIS.

OKAY, I'M CALLING THE QUESTION.

AYE AYE. PASSES THREE ZERO.

ITEM NUMBER FOUR, MADAM SHERMAN.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. THIS IS AN ITEM FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

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IS A OPPORTUNITY TO APPLY BEFORE THE JULY.

I THINK IT'S 25TH DEADLINE FOR A MULTI YEAR GRANT.

THAT WOULD BE A REGIONAL CATASTROPHIC PREPAREDNESS GRANT PROGRAM.

WE WOULD DO THIS IN PARTNERSHIP WITH SOME NEIGHBORING AGENCIES AND ESSENTIALLY WOULD PROVIDE SOME FUNDING FOR PERSONNEL AND CONTRACTORS AS WELL, TO DO DISASTER DISASTER TRAINING EXERCISES WITH OTHER AGENCIES AND ALSO CREATE A REGIONAL SITUATIONAL AWARENESS PLATFORM.

ESSENTIALLY, THERE'S NO MATCH, SO THIS IS JUST A REQUEST TO BE ABLE TO APPLY FOR THE GRANT.

THANK YOU MA'AM. ANY SPEAKER CARDS? DEPUTY MAYOR? ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

OKAY, I NEED A MOTION.

SO MOVED. SECOND, GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

ITEM NUMBER FIVE, MADAM SHERMAN.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. THIS IS AN ITEM WE DISCUSSED AT LAST WEEK'S COUNCIL MEETING REGARDING THE SITUATION WITH THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL THAT WE WERE ATTEMPTING TO ACQUIRE AND INSTALL.

BOTH TRAFFIC SIGNAL AND INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE MALABAR AND SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY INTERSECTION, AS WE DISCUSSED LAST MEETING.

WHEN WE PUT OUT THAT BID, WE DID NOT GET ANY RESPONSES TO THE BID.

AND SO IN OUR EFFORTS TO GO FORWARD, WE'VE GOT A PLAN.

WE'RE GOING TO DIVIDE THE BID UP.

WE'RE GOING TO SEEK A VENDOR TO DO THE LIGHT.

WE'RE GOING TO SEEK A SEPARATE VENDOR TO DO THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS.

BUT IN THE INTERIM, WE NEED A SOLUTION.

WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THAT.

AND AS WE DISCUSSED LAST MEETING, WE HAVE A SUGGESTION THAT ACTUALLY CAME FROM A RESIDENT.

I THINK HE MIGHT HAVE STEPPED OUT, BUT DOCTOR ALAN MILES, WHO HAS BEEN HERE FOR A COUPLE OF MEETINGS, HE HAD MENTIONED THE TEMPORARY TRAFFIC SIGNAL, PORTABLE TRAFFIC SIGNAL IDEA.

SO STAFF DID A LOT OF RESEARCH.

CAME UP WITH A TYPE OF PORTABLE TRAFFIC SIGNAL THAT WE BELIEVE WILL WORK FOR THAT AREA.

YOU HAVE A PICTURE OF IT IN FRONT OF YOU, I KNOW, AT THE DIAS HERE.

BUT ESSENTIALLY WHAT THIS ITEM IS ASKING TO DO IS REALLY THREE THINGS WE'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND GET COUNCIL'S PERMISSION TO LEASE THESE SIGNALS.

THREE OF THEM, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE NEED FOR SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY AND MALABAR TO LEASE THREE OF THEM FOR A PERIOD AT THIS POINT, UP TO THREE MONTHS.

WE THINK IT WILL BE LESS THAN THAT, BUT TO LEASE THEM WHILE WE PREPARE TO ACTUALLY BUY SIX OF THEM, THE SIX WOULD BE BOTH FOR PERMANENTLY.

I SAY PERMANENTLY FOR AS LONG AS IT TAKES TO GET THE SIGNAL PERMANENT SIGNAL DONE.

THREE OF THEM WOULD BE FOR THE SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY, MALABAR, AND THE OTHER THREE.

WE'D BE LOOKING AT THE POTENTIAL TO DEPLOY THEM AT EMERSON IN THE SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY.

THAT SIGNALS EVEN FURTHER OUT IN THE FUTURE.

THAT ONE'S GOING TO BE BROUGHT FORWARD BY DEVELOPERS IN THAT AREA WHEN THEY BRING THE POWER TO THAT INTERSECTION.

SO THE THE GOAL OF THIS ITEM IS TO ASK YOU FOR THE FUNDING TO DO THE LEASE, THE FUNDING TO ACTUALLY PURCHASE, AND THEN ALSO A WAIVER OF OUR IT'S A SPECIAL PROCUREMENT WAIVER BECAUSE WE'RE ASKING TO BUY FROM THESE OR LEASE THEM AND BUY THEM FROM A SPECIFIC COMPANY.

WE'VE LOOKED AT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF VENDORS FOR THIS, AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THIS ONE IN PART BECAUSE THIS PARTICULAR MODEL THIS IS THE ONLY VENDOR THAT WE COULD BOTH LEASE AND BUY, AND WE NEED A MODEL THAT WE'RE GOING TO LEARN HOW TO USE.

NOW, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT WORK WELL FOR OUR INTERSECTION.

AND THEN BY THE SAME ONE THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH.

SO, ANYWAY, THAT'S REALLY THE GIST OF THE ASK.

AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM OR DEFER TO STAFF COUNCIL.

ANY QUESTIONS? ARE THESE IN SHORT, IF SOMEBODY WAS TO RUN INTO ONE OR WE DID TALK ABOUT THAT, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THAT TOO.

SO THESE WOULD BE PART OF OUR SELF-INSURANCE PROGRAM IS WHAT, WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED.

SO. OKAY.

AND ONCE THE ONCE WE DO GET THE PERMANENT LIGHTS UP, OR ACTUALLY BETTER QUESTION ARE THERE ANY OPPORTUNITIES TO PIGGYBACK OFF MAYBE THE COUNTY TO GET THEY WANT TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF US? YEAH. GO AHEAD.

I'M SORRY, WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT FOR THE PERMANENT SIGNAL? YEAH. PERMANENT SIGNAL.

THAT'S ABSOLUTELY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STAFF WAS LOOKING AT FOR THE FUTURE.

NOT FOR THE TEMPORARY.

PROBABLY. YEAH, YEAH, BUT FOR THE FUTURE.

ACTUAL SPAN WIRE SIGNAL THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PUT UP.

YES, WE WERE LOOKING AT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT EVERYTHING BECAUSE WE WANT TO GET THAT DONE.

YEAH. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT THEN.

BUT THE POINT IS WE WON'T BE ABLE TO DO IT BEFORE SCHOOL STARTS.

AND THIS IS A GREAT PLUG IF YOU.

YEAH IT'S A HYBRID. SO I'M A HYBRID.

AND THEN IF WE HAVE THESE WE COULD USE THEM ALONG THE CORRIDOR AS WELL.

YOU KNOW ON EMERSON AND OTHER INTERSECTIONS THAT MAY COME UP WHEN IT'S A SAFETY ISSUES.

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IT'S TAKEN US SO LONG TO GET THAT INTERSECTION UP AND GOING RIGHT WITH THE LIGHT AND, YOU KNOW, WITH THE BUSSES AND THAT THAT INTERSECTION CALLS FOR SOMETHING LIKE YESTERDAY.

SO I'M GOOD WITH THIS TWO GENTLEMEN.

ANY ANY SPEAKER CARDS, DEPUTY MAYOR? NO. OKAY. I NEED A MOTION.

SO MOVED. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

ITEM NUMBER SIX, MADAM SHERMAN.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. SO THIS LAST NEW BUSINESS ITEM IS DISCUSSION OF THE PROCESS TO UTILIZE OUR OPIOID SETTLEMENT FUNDS.

SO WHEN WE JOINED THE OPIOID SETTLEMENTS, THE RESULTS OF ALL THAT IS THAT WE ANNUALLY STARTING LAST FISCAL YEAR, ALL THE WAY THROUGH AS, AS LATE AS 2040, THE YEAR 2040, WE WILL BE RECEIVING OPIOID SETTLEMENT FUNDS.

THE AMOUNTS WILL VARY EACH YEAR BECAUSE THERE'S MULTIPLE THERE'S SEVEN DIFFERENT COMPANIES AND DIFFERENT DETAILS OF ALL THE SETTLEMENTS.

BUT WE'RE COMING FORWARD NOW BECAUSE WE'VE RECEIVED FUNDING FOR FISCAL YEAR 23.

THAT WAS ABOUT $89,000.

FOR FISCAL YEAR 24, WE RECEIVED $189,000.

WE KNOW THAT WILL VARY EACH YEAR.

BUT THE RECOMMENDATION, FIRST OF ALL, IS TO GET THE MONEY EACH YEAR AND THEN GO FORWARD WITH HOW MUCH DO WE HAVE AND THEN DECIDE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TO USE IT FOR.

WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS WE HAD AN INTERNAL REVIEW OF WHAT THESE FUNDS COULD BE USED FOR.

IT'S VERY SPECIFIC.

THEY'RE ATTACHED TO YOUR AGENDA IS SCHEDULE A AND B, WHICH DISCUSSES CORE STRATEGIES AND THINGS YOU CAN USE THE FUNDS FOR.

YOU'LL SEE IN THE AGENDA MEMO WE DISCUSSED INTERNAL USES OF THE FUNDS SO WE COULD, YOU KNOW, BUY EQUIPMENT, PROVIDE TRAINING FOR PUBLIC SAFETY STAFF THAT ARE INVOLVED IN RESPONDING TO OPIOID.

CRISIS. THERE'S THINGS WE COULD DO INTERNALLY, BUT WE ALSO REALIZE THAT THERE ARE EXTERNAL AGENCIES THAT PROVIDE RESOURCES TO THE COMMUNITY.

AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE LANDED AS STAFF AND WORKING ALSO WITH COUNCILMAN JOHNSON AND HIS INTEREST ON IT.

SO THE RECOMMENDATION ON THIS IS TO ALLOW US TO, AGAIN, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT, THE EVIDENCE CENTER, PUT OUT AN RFI REQUEST FOR INFORMATION TO FIND OUT WHAT AGENCIES IN THE COMMUNITY AROUND US ARE INTERESTED IN USING THESE FUNDS TO PROVIDE SERVICES TO OUR COMMUNITY.

AND WE CAN BE AS BROAD OR AS SPECIFIC AS YOU LIKE.

YOU KNOW, THE THE ATTACHMENTS I REFERENCED, THEY ARE VERY BROAD IN TERMS OF THERE'S, THERE'S CATEGORIES THAT RELATE TO ACTUAL TREATMENTS, TREATMENT THAT INVOLVES MEDICATION, THERE'S TRAINING, THERE'S PREVENTION PROGRAMS. THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS.

BUT ONE THING WE KNOW HAS BEEN A CONSTANT THEME WITH COUNCIL IS THE THEME OF HELPING THE YOUTH.

AND SO THERE ARE DEFINITELY PROGRAMS THAT HAVE AN EDUCATIONAL COMPONENT, A PREVENTION COMPONENT WHERE WE COULD WE COULD MAYBE, IF YOU'D LIKE, WE COULD MAKE THAT PART OF OUR PRIORITY FOCUS IN THE RFI TO SAY WHAT? WHAT PROGRAMS CAN YOU, AS A POTENTIAL NONPROFIT OR VENDOR, BRING TO OUR COMMUNITY TO HELP OUR YOUTH, TO PREVENT THEM FROM GETTING CAUGHT UP IN THIS MESS? SO SO THAT'S AN OPTION.

AND JUST WANTED TO KIND OF PUT IT OUT FOR DISCUSSION WITH YOU ALL.

WELL, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND, COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, I KNOW YOU WERE YOU WERE HERE ON THE DAIS WHEN YOU ORDERED OR HAD THE CITY ATTORNEY WORK ON, YOU KNOW, THAT LAWSUIT.

BUT LET ME JUST SHARE WITH YOU MY THOUGHTS, BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE HAD YOUR PULSE ON.

TREATMENT OF TRAUMA FOR INDIVIDUALS IS CRITICAL TO ME.

RIGHT? AND IT EXPLAINS VIOLENCE, SEXUAL ASSAULT.

IT EVEN HIGHLIGHTS HUMAN TRAFFICKING.

AND THAT THAT IS A HUGE PROBLEM.

THAT MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT AWARE OF OR, AND THEN OVERDOSE AND OVERDOSE FATALITIES.

BUT NOT ONLY THAT, BUT IT AFFECTS THE FAMILIES OF THOSE.

SO I THINK THAT IF, IF I HAD TO HIGHLIGHT SOMETHING THAT THAT WOULD BE IT.

SIR, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.

DEPUTY MAYOR. NO, MAYOR, I THINK YOU SAID YOU SAID YOU MADE A FEW GOOD POINTS.

I MEAN I DIDN'T REALIZE UNTIL JUST A FEW YEARS AGO HOW CRITICAL THE THE IDEA OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING HERE IN BREVARD COUNTY.

SOME OF THE SITUATION.

I'VE. IT WAS MIND BLOWING.

SO YES, I DO.

I'M IN SUPPORT OF TAKING THAT DIRECTION AS WELL.

DID YOU NEED ANYTHING ELSE, MADAM? SHERMAN. WHAT? WHAT ELSE? NO. THAT'S IT. WE'LL WE'LL PUT OUT THE RFI.

THAT'S OUR PLAN. AND IN THE MEMO, I INDICATED THAT WE'D GO AHEAD AND JUST DRAFT THAT UP.

WE WON'T BRING IT BACK TO YOU. WE'LL JUST PUT IT OUT THERE GIVEN THIS DISCUSSION, IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT.

AND THEN WE WILL BRING BACK TO YOU WHAT THE RESULTS ARE.

OKAY. SO WHO IS INTERESTED IN PROVIDING SERVICES IN THE COMMUNITY? THANK YOU. DID YOU NEED A MOTION.

THAT DIRECTION IS FINE FOR ME.

DIRECTIONS. GOOD OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. SO THAT WAS ITEM NUMBER SIX.

NOW WE'RE GOING TO CALL UP ONE OF INDIVIDUALS.

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YEAH. OH, WE DO PEOPLE THAT FOLKS THAT WANT TO SPEAK.

WELL, I'VE GOT WHAT DO YOU MEAN? YEAH. NO. NORMALLY GO TO COUNCIL REPORT, BUT ALSO.

YEAH. NO, NO I GOT, I GOT, I GOT YES.

YEAH, I GOT THIS RIGHT HERE.

YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HONORED MR. BOWMAN EARLIER TODAY IS, IS INDIVIDUALS THAT GIVE THEIR TIME TO OUR CITY.

SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE CHAIRMAN OF THE RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD PROVIDE A PRESENTATION.

BUT THIS YOUNG MAN AND YES, I STILL CONSIDER HIM YOUNG, HAS REALLY BEEN A PART OF OUR COMMUNITY FOR DECADES.

AND HE GIVES TIRELESSLY TO OUR CITIZENS, MR. TOM GOMM. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I APPRECIATE THAT.

I'LL TRY TO BE AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE.

REALIZING THE LATE HOUR, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO START OFF BY RECOGNIZING THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY DO THE WORK AS A BOARD MEMBER.

WE GET TO LOOK AT THE IDEAS AND COME UP WITH A CONCEPT AND MAYBE MAKE A PLAN.

AND THEN WE GET TO GO TO THE RIBBON CUTTING AND SEE IT COME TO FRUITION.

BUT WHAT A LOT OF TIMES WHAT GETS OVERLOOKED IS ALL THE WORK THAT GOES IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO POINTS.

SO WELL DONE TO OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT AND OUR RECREATION DEPARTMENT.

BACK ON SEPTEMBER 7TH, THIS CITY COUNCIL DECIDED WE WERE NO LONGER GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CAMPGROUND AT FRED POPPY PARK, THAT WE WERE STILL GOING TO FUND THE BRIDGE, BUT WAS INTERESTED IN FINDING OTHER AMENITIES TO PUT INTO THE PARK.

SO WE WENT OUT AND ASKED SOME OF THE POPULATION, SOME OF THE CITIZENS, WHAT DO YOU WANT? THE ONLY FEEDBACK I RECEIVED WAS PICKLEBALL.

SO PICKLEBALL IS NOT JUST A TREND.

IT'S A PHENOMENON, A PHENOMENON, THE FASTEST GROWING SPORT IN AMERICA FOR THE THIRD CONSECUTIVE YEAR.

AND THIS TREND IS IMPACTING OUR OWN COMMUNITY IN PALM BAY.

36.5 MILLION PEOPLE PLAY PICKLEBALL.

PICKLEBALL GROWTH IS 223% OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS.

EXCUSE ME. I'M MOVING QUICKLY.

SO HERE IN PALM BAY, WE HAVE A THRIVING PICKLEBALL COMMUNITY.

THEY'RE GETTING READY TO START A LEAGUE WITH 34 TEAMS. IN THE NEXT LEAGUE THEY WANT TO START UP IS 48 TEAMS. SO WHAT WE AS A BOARD HAVE I'M ON SLIDE NUMBER FOUR NOW.

THANK YOU. I THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT.

SO AS A BOARD, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS.

AND WHAT WE CAME UP WITH WAS A PLAN TO PUT EIGHT PICKLEBALL COURTS AT VETERANS PARK, FRIENDLY PARK AND NUNGESSER PARK.

AND ALL OF THIS IS PAID FOR WITH IMPACT FEES.

NO TAX MONEY.

THIS IS MONEY THAT'S ALREADY BEEN PAID SITTING IN AN ACCOUNT.

AND THE ONLY THING IT CAN BE SPENT FOR IS TO INCREASE THE CAPACITY OF OUR PARKS OR BUY NEW PARKS, AND WE'LL GET TO THAT SHORTLY.

BUT THIS WILL PROVIDE MUCH NEEDED ACCESS TO THE SPORT FOR RESIDENTS IN DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE CITY, AND ENSURE A QUICK RETURN ON INVESTMENT.

THE BUDGET REQUEST IS ALREADY IN PLACE FOR NUNGESSER PARK, AND THIS PROVIDES A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY FOR A QUICK IMPLEMENTATION.

EXCUSE ME. AND THEN AT FRED POPPY PARK, WE WANT TO BUILD 16 COURTS.

HERE'S THE BIG HOOK.

AFTER WE HAVE OUR 16 COURTS UP AND RUNNING, WE WANT TO GO BACK TO THE TDC AND ASK FOR ANOTHER 16 COURTS LAID OUT IN A FASHION SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A STADIUM THAT WILL ENABLE US TO HAVE STATE AND NATIONAL PICKLEBALL TOURNAMENTS HERE IN PALM BAY.

SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT REAL ESTATE, WHICH WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT AGAIN HERE IN A FEW MINUTES.

PICKLEBALL ONLY TAKES UP 220FT² PER PARTICIPANT.

AND I HAVE A LONG CHAT CHART HERE JUST TO TOP OFF A COUPLE OF THEM.

FOOTBALL TAKES OVER 2500.

SOCCER TAKES OVER 3000.

CRICKET OVER 3000 AND GOLF OVER 31,000.

OUR IMPACT FEES RIGHT NOW ON SLIDE NUMBER SEVEN.

NEXT ONE PLEASE.

YES. THESE ARE THE BALANCES OF OUR IN OUR DIFFERENT NEXUSES MINUS ENCUMBERED FUNDS.

SO THIS IS AFTER WE TAKE OUT THE BRIDGE AT FRED POPPY PARK OUT OF THE 32907320908 NEXUSES.

AND THEN THE NEXT SLIDE JUST SHOWS ALL THE IMPACT FEES FOR EACH NEXUS AND NOTES THAT THE BRIDGE AT THE BOTTOM.

SO ONE OTHER THING THAT WE'VE RECOGNIZED IS THAT IN THE 32909 ZIP CODE OR NEXUS, WE HAVE $8 MILLION. WE DON'T HAVE ANY PARKS DOWN THERE WHERE WE CAN EXPAND CAPACITY.

WE NEED TO BUILD A PARK.

WE NEED TO BUY SOME REAL ESTATE.

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WE HAVE $8 MILLION.

THERE'S 2600 ACRES DOWN AT THE SOUTH END OF BABCOCK STREET.

YOU COULD MAKE A GOOD DEAL.

THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.

BUT THAT'S ALL THAT MONEY CAN BE SPENT FOR.

YOU HAVE TO BUY A PARK.

THERE'S NO ROOM TO EXPAND OR ADD CAPACITY TO ANY OF OUR EXISTING PARKS IN THAT ZIP CODE.

SO WITH THAT SAID THAT WOULD PRETTY WELL CONCLUDE MY PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

REALLY, I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR HARD WORK.

AND YOU'RE RIGHT, PICKLEBALL IS A PHENOMENON.

I'D LOVE TO SEE.

WELL, I THINK WE GOT SPEAKER CARDS, BUT YEAH, YEAH.

MAYOR. MAYOR, IF YOU'D ALLOW ME MR. GUM, I'D JUST LIKE TO ADDRESS TO YOU REAL QUICK, IF I MAY.

NUMBER ONE, LET ME THANK YOU.

I THINK WE, YOU KNOW, I'VE SERVED ON THE PARKS AND RECREATION FOR FOR THE LONGEST TIME.

FOR A LONG TIME, ACTUALLY YOU KNOW, I WAS VICE CHAIR AT SOME TIME, MR. GARY, AS WELL. WE SERVED TOGETHER.

I MEAN, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO.

YOUR INTEREST INTO OUR CITY.

I JUST WANT TO PUBLICLY APOLOGIZE.

I THINK I CONDUCT MYSELF A LITTLE BIT.

YEAH. WE'RE BOTH VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT WHAT WE DO, SIR.

YEAH, YEAH, BUT BUT NO, IT'S IT'S, YOU KNOW, I CAN OWN IT.

YEAH. I SHOULD NOT NEVER GET PERSONAL.

CALL YOUR NAME AS YOU WERE, YOU KNOW, MAKING, YOU KNOW, SIGN.

BUT BUT I JUST WANTED TO PUBLICLY APOLOGIZE TO YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO. WHERE ARE MY FEELINGS? ON MY SLEEVE. OKAY, I TRIED, I TRIED TO DO THE SAME, BUT.

BUT I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND.

WELL, I APPRECIATE YOU FOR THAT.

I APPRECIATE THAT, I GOTTA, I GOTTA TAKE, TAKE CONTROL BECAUSE WE'RE ON A TIME LIMIT HERE, AND I NEED A SPEAKER.

JUST SPEAKER CARD.

CAN WE GET SOME DIRECTION ON THE PARK? YES. YES, SIR.

WE GOT SPEAKER CARDS. MR. CHARLES WESTERFIELD.

AM I SAYING IT RIGHT? YES. SURE.

HI. GOOD EVENING, I'M CHARLIE WESTERFIELD.

I'M FROM MELBOURNE BEACH.

I'M THE REGIONAL MANAGER FOR THE FLORIDA PICKLEBALL LEAGUE.

SO THE CENTRAL FLORIDA REGION INCLUDES BREVARD, INDIAN RIVER COUNTY AND GREATER ORLANDO.

IN BREVARD, WE HAD 80 TEAMS AND 800 PLAYERS.

THIS PAST SEASON.

WE HAD ONE TEAM IN PALM BAY OUT OF THE 80 THAT WAS STARTED BY TWO OF YOUR RECREATION DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEES, ANDY AND DAVID DANIEL.

DAVID. GONZALEZ.

DAVID. ANDY.

DIMICK. BUT WE'D LIKE TO SEE MORE TEAMS FROM PALM BAY.

SO WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO SUPPORT THAT.

AND AS THE PRESENTATION MENTIONED WE HAVE 12 QUARTS AND MELBOURNE AND SIX QUARTS IN WEST MELBOURNE.

THOSE COURTS ARE FULL PRETTY MUCH EVERY NIGHT.

ARE THOSE ALL OUTDOOR COURTS? YES, SIR. YES, SIR.

CURRENTLY, THERE ARE ONLY INDOOR FACILITIES AT THE COUNTY GYMS RIGHT NOW.

LIKE, LIKE AT WITH THE WHITLOCK CENTER.

SO ALL ALL COURTS ARE OUTDOORS.

THEY'RE FULL EVERY NIGHT.

THERE ARE PALM BAY PLAYERS AND MELBOURNE AND WEST MELBOURNE PLAYING AND ALSO AT THE JIMMY MORE COMPLEX AT SARNO ROAD.

WE HOLD TOURNAMENTS FREQUENTLY WHERE WE BRING IN 3 OR 400 PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER.

INCLUDING SNOWBIRDS DURING THE WINTER AND THAT SORT OF THING.

SO IF YOU BUILD THE.

COMPLEX LIKE WAS DESCRIBED, YOU'D HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING IN TOURIST DOLLARS AS WELL.

SO AND THAT'S ABOUT ALL I HAVE.

AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR.

NEXT SPEAKER LEAH.

LEAH. GIRL GEORGE FROM WEST MELBOURNE.

I'M THE VENUE COORDINATOR FOR FLY COVERING BREVARD COUNTY.

SO I KNOW EVERYWHERE THERE ARE COURTS THROUGHOUT THIS COUNTY AND EVERYWHERE THERE ARE NOT.

AND HOW MUCH OF A CHALLENGE IT IS FOR US TO HAVE THESE PALM BAY PLAYERS? A COUPLE OF NUMBERS THAT I WAS GOING THROUGH.

SO IN WEST MELBOURNE WE HAVE SIX COURTS.

IT'S ONE COURT FOR EVERY 4800 RESIDENTS.

CITY OF PALM BAY HAS ONE COURT FOR EVERY 17,000 RESIDENTS.

OBVIOUSLY, THEY'RE LOOKING TO PLAY BECAUSE THEY'RE UP IN WEST MELBOURNE AND MELBOURNE.

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NOT THAT WE DON'T LOVE THEM UP THERE, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE 24 PEOPLE PLAYING AND 24 PEOPLE WAITING TO PLAY, OBVIOUSLY WE'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS.

ON A PERSONAL LEVEL, PICKLEBALL HAS BEEN A GODSEND FOR ME PERSONALLY, AND I KNOW FOR REALLY EVERYBODY THAT PLAYS THE SOCIAL ASPECT OF IT IS INCREDIBLE.

SOMEBODY MENTIONED BEFORE ABOUT A WOMAN BEING DEPRESSED AND NOW MEETING OTHER PEOPLE AND GETTING OUT OF THE HOUSE AGAIN.

I HAVE 150 CONTACTS IN MY PHONE THAT SAY PB AFTER THEM WHEREVER I TRAVEL.

I HAVE MY PADDLE WITH ME.

I'VE PLAYED IN SIX DIFFERENT STATES SO FAR, AND IN THE MIDDLE OF THE OCEAN THERE'S A GROUP CALLED PICKLEBALL SINGLES MINGLE.

THERE'S 15,000 OF US ON FACEBOOK THAT WE'RE ALL SINGLE.

WE PLAY PICKLEBALL.

WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF MARRIAGES ALREADY.

THAT'S WHAT PICKLEBALL IS DOING FOR THIS SOCIETY.

WE'RE HAVING MORE YOUNGER PEOPLE COME OUT AND PLAY, WHICH IS FANTASTIC.

YOU KNOW, THEY SEE THEIR GRANDPARENTS PLAYING AND THEY MAKE FUN OF THEM UNTIL THEY TRY AND THEY'RE LIKE, OH, THIS IS NOT THAT EASY.

I WANT YOU TO TRY IT UP AGAINST THE FORMER MAYOR OF WEST MELBOURNE, HAL ROSE.

HE PLAYS NOT WELL, BUT I THINK YOU COULD.

HE HASN'T TAKEN UP MY CHALLENGE YET, BUT I REALLY, HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT THE CITY OF PALM BAY COULD REALLY, REALLY JUST DO SO MUCH. AND EVENTUALLY I WAS A FORMER HIGH SCHOOL BOWLING COACH.

THIS IS GOING TO GET THAT FAR.

THAT IS GOING TO BECOME A RECOGNIZED SPORT WITH THE FHSAA, AND WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO NEED COURTS FOR THE KIDS TO PRACTICE ON. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU MA'AM. NEXT SPEAKER.

TYRONE. TYRONE.

THERE IS A MEAL.

MEAL. LEAH.

YOU DON'T HEAR. SIR. SIR.

I'M SORRY. ARE YOU? YEAH.

I'M SORRY. I JUST WANTED TO SAY.

SHE SAID SHE BRINGS A PADDLE, A PADDLE.

SO GO AHEAD. LISTEN, TYRONE WAS MY NAME.

I LIVE AT 2182 SNAPDRAGON DRIVE.

FRED. POPPY PARK HAPPENED TO BE MY BACKYARD.

YOU'RE LOOKING AT A RETIRED NEW YORK CITY SCHOOL TEACHER WITH 33 YEARS AND A HALF IN SPECIAL EDUCATION.

YOU'RE LOOKING AT AN OLD MAN.

I SAY YOUNG MAN, BUT AN OLD MAN WHO WORKED AT THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB IN THE BRONX.

YEAH. MADISON.

MADISON BOYS CLUB.

NO, NO, BUT THE BETTER ONE.

KIPS BAY BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB.

25 YEARS I GAVE I WAS GOING TO GIVE YOU KUDOS FOR FOR BEING THE THIRD BEST IN THE COUNTRY.

ALL THAT TO SAY, EDUCATION, PICKLEBALL, SPORTS AND PLAYING AND ENGAGING LIKE THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB, PICKLEBALL. BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, WHAT WAS SAID HERE TODAY WAS THE SOCIALIZATION ASPECT CROSSES RACIAL BARRIERS, CROSSES AGE BARRIERS. YOU SEE THE YOUNG PLAYING WITH THE OLD, YOU SEE THE BLACK PLAYING WITH THE ORIENTAL AND THE WHITE AND THE AND THE JEW AND THE GENTILE, AND YOU KEEP GOING ALL ACROSS IT. I'VE NEVER SEEN NOTHING BRIDGE PEOPLE MORE TOGETHER THAN PICKLEBALL.

PRESENTLY. THAT'S BEAUTIFUL.

OKAY. I'VE BEEN ON A PICKLEBALL CRUISE WITH MY WIFE AND MY COUSIN IN THE BACK.

COMING OUT OF CAPE CANAVERAL.

ALL THESE RICH SPORTSMEN, I FORGET ABOUT THE HEALTH BENEFITS FOR A LOT OF US.

OLD, OLD ONES.

OKAY, BUT I CAN'T EMPHASIZE ENOUGH THE BRIDGING OF THE COMMUNITY, YOUNG AND OLD.

THAT'S SO IMPORTANT. IT'S I'M GOING TO SAY IT THIS WAY.

IT'S THE OUTDOOR CHURCH.

AND BEING A TEACHER, I GOT TO GIVE YOU GUYS VISUALS.

NOW LET ME DROP IT. OH, I'M IN TROUBLE, LORD.

YEAH. DON'T GET HURT ON ME NOW.

YOU STILL GOT A MINUTE THERE? SURROUNDING PICKLEBALL COURTS.

PALM BAY PICKLEBALL COURTS.

OH. COME ON.

I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO.

GOD BLESS YOU GUYS.

AND YOU WILL BE IN MY PRAYERS EACH NIGHT FROM THIS DAY FORWARD.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

YEAH, YOU YOU JUST GAVE ME AN IDEA ABOUT PREACHING AT A PICKLEBALL TOURNAMENT.

BROTHER. YOU JUST GAVE ME A GREAT IDEA.

NEXT SPEAKER CALL RIVIERA.

IT'S AN OLYMPICS FOR.

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SMALL PADDLES FOR BABIES.

HOW YOU DOING? GOOD EVENING.

MAYOR COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS CARL OLIVEIRA.

I RESIDE AT 1738 SAN FILIPPO DRIVE.

THAT GUY OVER THERE WHO JUST SPOKE, THAT IS MY COUSIN'S HUSBAND.

I KNOWN TYRONE FOR 50 PLUS YEARS.

WE HAVE GROWN UP TOGETHER.

WE HAVE MENTORED MANY, MANY, PROBABLY THOUSANDS OF TEENAGERS THROUGHOUT A LIFETIME.

WE HERE TO TALK ABOUT PICKLEBALL.

I STARTED PLAYING PICKLEBALL TWO YEARS AGO.

I HAVE TWO KNEE REPLACEMENTS.

I HAD A BROKEN FEMUR WITH A ROD IN MY LEG.

I'VE HAD PROSTATE CANCER.

I'VE HAD ALL KINDS OF SURGERIES DONE.

AND LET ME TELL YOU, PICKLEBALL IS THE BEST THING THAT'S HAPPENED TO ME FOR MIDDLE AGED PEOPLE.

I'M GOING TO TELL YOU WHY I PLAY PICKLEBALL WITH GUYS WHO ARE IN THE 90S, GUYS WHO HAVE BEEN ON THE COUCHES.

THEY WAS THEY THOUGHT IT WAS LIFE WAS OVER.

AND THIS PHENOMENON THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE LAUGH ABOUT BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT.

PICKLEBALL. IT SOUNDS FUNNY, BUT UNLESS YOU ACTUALLY GET OUT THERE AND SEE WHAT THE PEOPLE ARE DOING, WHAT HE SAYS, THAT'S SO TRUE.

IT CROSSES BARRIERS, IT KNOCKS DOWN WALLS.

THERE IS NO RACE.

THERE IS NO COLOR.

IT'S JUST PICKLEBALL RELATIONSHIP.

I ALSO PASTOR AND IT HAS GIVEN ME GREAT OPPORTUNITIES TO BE WITH PEOPLE I DON'T.

CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY PEOPLE I'VE PRAYED FOR, HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE COME UP TO ME.

THEY KNOW ME AS PC PASTOR CALL AND THEY HAVE COME UP TO ME, PASTOR, CAN YOU PRAISE ME? I HAVE A SITUATION AND IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY.

IT'S ALSO VERY BENEFICIAL TO KEEP IN SHAPE, TO GET YOU MOVING AGAIN, GET YOU OFF THE COUCH, GET US OFF THE COUCH.

ALL OF US IN THE SAME BRACKET.

I'M GOING TO BE 69IN TWO YEARS, BUT IF IT WASN'T FOR PICKLEBALL, I'LL BE BACK WITH LIKE 300 SOMETHING POUNDS GROSSLY OUT OF SHAPE.

AND I HAVE GIVEN UP.

BUT EVERY DAY I LOOK FORWARD TO PLAYING PICKLEBALL WITH LEAH AND EVERYBODY.

I MET LEAH ON PICKLEBALL AND MY SWEETHEART.

ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. IT'S A BUNCH OF US.

BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS, IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT PICKLEBALL IS ABOUT, PUT UNDERCOVER ON THIS.

GUYS, DON'T GET OUT THERE. JUST WATCH.

GO TO THE PARKS AND SEE WHAT PEOPLE ARE DOING.

KIDS OF ALL AGES WITH THEIR.

I PLAYED YESTERDAY WHERE GRANDFATHER WAS 64.

WHERE HIS GRANDSON WAS 18.

THAT'S BEAUTIFUL.

THAT'S ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL.

I WILL ENCOURAGE THE COUNCIL TO REALLY CONSIDER TAKE FULL ADVANTAGE OF.

THIS IS A PHENOMENON. WE DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO LAST, BUT IT'S BENEFICIAL IN SO MANY WAYS FOR THIS COMMUNITY.

I'VE BEEN HERE 20 YEARS. I'M A RETIRED NEW YORK CITY POLICE OFFICER, BY THE WAY.

ALSO FIRST, FIRST RESPONDER 911 WHEN THE TOWERS CAME DOWN.

I'VE BEEN THROUGH A LOT.

SO AS MY COUSIN, HER HUSBAND, I ENCOURAGE YOU, PLEASE CONSIDER IT.

LOOK AT ALL THE ASPECTS, ALL THE BENEFITS FOR THIS, FOR THIS CITY, FOR THE PEOPLE, THE COMMUNITY.

WE COULD RISE UP, TAKE FULL ADVANTAGE OF IT.

DON'T LET THE BULL PASS US BY AND THEN SAY, WELL, WE SHOULD HAVE AND COULD HAVE AND THEN HAVE REGRETS ABOUT IT.

LISTEN TO WHAT THE PEOPLE ARE SAYING.

BUILD. BUILD THESE COURTS.

BUILD THE CONCESSION STANDS, THE RESTAURANTS, WHATEVER IT TAKES.

IT WILL GENERATE TONS AND TONS OF MONEY AND JUST BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER.

BECAUSE IN ONE COMMON THING, AND THAT'S THE SPORT OF PICKLEBALL, RIGHT? THE BOAT NOW WHILE IT'S STILL HERE.

HEY PASTOR, PICKLEBALL PASTOR, ARE YOU YEAH.

ARE YOU PART OF THE 1013 CLUB? RETIRED NEW YORK CITY.

I ATTEND OCCASIONALLY.

OCCASIONALLY, AS YOU WERE RIGHT NOW, WHEN I AM A PART OF IN MY CHURCH, I MINISTER TO SENIOR CITIZENS, AND ON THURSDAYS ALL SENIORS LIKE OVER 60 AND OVER.

A LOT OF THEM ARE IN THEIR 80S, WHICH IS ANOTHER STORY.

BUT SOME OF THEM, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, PLAY PICKLEBALL.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

NEXT SPEAKER. NO, THIS IS COMPLETE.

OKAY. THAT'S OUTSTANDING.

SO, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A PICKLEBALL PHENOMENON, RIGHT? SO MUCH SO THAT THERE'S WHENEVER THERE'S A NEED LIKE THAT, YOU HAVE ENTREPRENEURS THAT CREATE A BUSINESS AND, AND I LIKE THE IDEA OF OF TOURNAMENTS.

MY, MY MY CONCERN IS TOURNAMENTS ARE BETTER INDOOR THAN, THAN OUTDOOR, I WOULD IMAGINE.

BUT THEY'RE SAYING NO, THEY WANT THEY WANT THE HEAT.

THEY WANT TO SWEAT AT THE MIDDAY WHEN IT'S 175 DEGREES OUT THERE.

SO COUNCIL.

BUT WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE? I GOT TO TELL YOU.

AND WE WERE AT AT THE DISC GOLF OPENING, AND I WAS TALKING ABOUT PICKLEBALL.

SO I KIND OF LIKED THE IDEA THAT WE START TO BREAK GROUND ON SOME OF THESE.

I REALLY THINK MAYBE WE CAN ASK FRED TO COME UP.

MADAM. SHERMAN.

MR. POPPY, WOULD YOU PLEASE COME UP FOR A SECOND? I ONLY HAVE A FEW MINUTES BECAUSE I'M ON A TIME FRAME HERE.

SO MY MY QUESTION IS, DO YOU FEEL YOU COULD START IMPLEMENTING SOMETHING AT FRED POPPY REALLY QUICKLY? OR WHAT WOULD IT TAKE FOR YOU TO DO SOMETHING FRED POPPY OR FRED LEE? BECAUSE I TOM MR.

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GRAHAM TALKED ABOUT FRED LEE AND VETERANS PARK.

SO WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? YEAH, WHEN WE HAD OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH WITH THE BOARD THE COURT SAID REGIONAL WOULD BE WOULD BE MORE OF A LONG TERM SITUATION BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE A LOT MORE PLANNING.

AND AND YOU ALSO HAVE TO PLAN FOR FACILITIES LIKE RESTROOMS AND PARKING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO WHEN I GAVE THEM THAT INFORMATION, I FOCUSED IN ON THE PARKS WHERE THE FACILITIES ARE ALREADY IN PLACE.

SO THEREFORE, THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE EIGHT COURTS THAT VETERANS FRIENDLY AND NUNGESSER WERE WERE NUMBER ONE.

THEY WERE PRIMARY.

SO THOSE WOULD WOULD GET YOU SOME COURTS IN A VERY SHORT TIME PERIOD.

THE ONLY THING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT AT THOSE AREAS IS HOW MUCH PERMITTING OR, YOU KNOW, ENGINEERING WOULD BE REQUIRED.

PROBABLY MINIMAL BECAUSE BECAUSE THERE ARE ESTABLISHED PARKS AND, AND UNLESS THEY WOULD EXCEED SAINT JOHN'S REQUIREMENTS.

BUT THOSE WOULD BE THE ONES THAT WOULD BE.

SO PAINT A PICTURE FOR ME, RIGHT.

BECAUSE I KNOW FRED LEE.

LET'S TAKE FRED LEE. YOU MENTIONED FRED LEE, RIGHT? YES, SIR. WE HAVE TENNIS COURTS THERE RIGHT NOW.

YES, SIR. AND THE PLAN WAS TO TO DO THEM ADJACENT TO THOSE RIGHT NEXT TO THEM.

YES, SIR. AND MEANWHILE, WE COULD ALSO USE THE TENNIS COURTS WITH PICKLEBALL LINES.

OR DO THEY.

WELL, THEY HAVE THE LINES.

I THINK WHEN YOU TALK TO THE PICKLEBALL PLAYERS, THEY PREFER TO HAVE SPECIFIC COURTS BECAUSE IT DOES.

BY PLAYING ON THE TENNIS COURTS, IT DOES CHANGE THE WAY THE GAME IS PLAYED AND IT'S NOT AS ADVANTAGEOUS.

YEAH, I KIND OF LIKE THE IDEA.

FRED LEE, THERE'S SOME PROPERTY THERE.

I COULD SEE THAT. RIGHT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO GIVE THEM A WHOLE BUNCH TO DO ALL IN ONE.

I'M THINKING, DO THIS METHODICAL.

I THINK THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS.

LET'S START AT FRED LEE.

IF OR WHICHEVER ONE IS, IS THE MOST I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THE INTENT WAS BASED ON WHAT THE COUNCIL DETERMINED TONIGHT, WE WERE GOING TO HAVE SOME CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN GREG MEYERS STAFF, MYSELF AND THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, AND WE WOULD LOOK AT EACH OF THOSE INDIVIDUALLY TO SEE WHICH ONE WOULD REQUIRE THE LEAST AMOUNT OF ENGINEERING PERMITTING OR WHATEVER.

AND THEN THE ACTUAL INSTALLATION OF THE COURTS IS DONE VIA A CONTRACT THAT WE CAN PIGGYBACK OFF OF.

IT WOULD BE THE SAME VENDOR THAT JUST DID THE FRIENDLY COURTS.

SO QUICK TURNAROUND. ALL RIGHT.

SO FAIRLY QUICK.

YES, SIR. I'M GOOD WITH A THUMBS UP ON THIS, MA'AM.

YEAH I'M FINE WITH THAT. YEAH.

COOL. SO, MADAM SHERMAN AND JULIET YOU GOT LET'S GET SOME PICKLEBALL COURTS AND THEN LET'S LET'S HAVE LET'S HAVE LET'S HAVE A TOURNAMENT.

AND THE NEXT, THE NEXT STOP AS MR. GOREM SAYS TDC.

RIGHT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SIR. SO NOW WE'RE ON REPORTS.

MR. JOHNSON. COUNCILMAN.

JOHNSON. YES, MA'AM.

THE ONLY REPORT I SPOKE TO THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM MIDWEST DENTAL.

[COMMITTEE AND COUNCIL REPORTS:]

AND THEY'RE STILL HAVING ISSUES WITH TRYING TO GET EMPLOYEES HIRED.

BUT THEN I ALSO SPOKE WITH THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM LAGOS, NIGERIA, AND I SAW A NEED AND I KNOW WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IT PREVIOUSLY WITH SISTER CITIES.

IT AIN'T GOING ANYWHERE.

SO THAT WAS SOMETHING I WAS LOOKING AT, TRYING TO POSSIBLY BRIDGE THE GAP BECAUSE THERE'S A NEED AND THEN THERE'S A POTENTIAL FOR IT.

AND THEY WERE LOOKING FOR SOME EMPLOYEES THERE.

YEP. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY'RE LOOKING ANYWHERE I THINK SHE SAID MINIMUM THREE EMPLOYEES MAXIMUM TEN.

BUT IF IT ALL WORKS OUT THEY'LL BE LOOKING TO EXPAND.

SO WHO KNOWS WHAT CAN GO FROM THERE.

SO THAT'D BE GREAT.

THEY STILL LOST MONEY DON'T THEY? YES, SIR. THEY DO.

YES, SIR. THEY DO.

SO THAT'S THAT.

I'LL LET STAFF HANDLE THAT.

BUT THANK YOU.

YES, SIR. APPRECIATE YOU.

APPRECIATE YOU SIR.

THANK YOU SIR. THAT'S ALL.

DEPUTY MAYOR. MAYOR, THANK THANK YOU SO MUCH.

JUST WANTED TO GO ON THE RECORD TO SAY I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET A COUPLE FROM I THINK FROM JERSEY.

THE FORMER LAW ENFORCEMENT RETIRED, CAME, MOVED TO OUR CITY, HAD A CONTRACT WITH MIRANDA HOME.

AND I SHARE THAT WITH WITH SHERMAN AND HAD STAFF DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT LOOKED INTO IT.

WAS VERY, VERY BAD EXPERIENCE.

PROPERTY. TELL THE PROPERTY ADDRESS.

BUT I WILL PUT ON RECORD MIRANDA HOMES.

THE EXPERIENCE WAS SO BAD TO WHERE THEY GOT THEIR KEY.

NOT LIVE ONE DAY IN THE IN INTO THE HOUSE, THE SECOND DAY.

BY THE SECOND DAY THE PROPERTY FLOODED AND WE GOT A BUILDER THAT'S NOT ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITIES.

[04:40:05]

SO HERE WE ARE.

THEY TRIED MULTIPLE AVENUE AND THE BUILDER LITERALLY PUT THE BLAME ON THEM.

AND CLEARLY BASED ON THE DESCRIPTION AND THE SITUATION.

BASED ON WHAT THEY SAID, BY WHAT THEY SAID AND THE DESCRIPTION, IT'S NOT.

AND AS I KNOW, THIS MAY BE A CIVIL MATTER BETWEEN TWO PARTIES, BUT THESE ARE FOLKS THAT MOVE INTO OUR CITY.

THEY'RE RELYING NOW.

THEY'RE LOOKING AT US. HOW CAN WE POTENTIALLY PROTECT THEM? HAVE A YEAH, YEAH, HAVE A SAY.

IT'S A MAJOR INVESTMENT.

AND HOW CAN WE POSSIBLY.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT MAY.

YOU KNOW WHAT? WE MAY NOT ANY LEGAL LEVY OR WHAT? WHAT HAVE YOU, BUT HOW CAN WE POTENTIALLY STEP IN AND TRY TO ASSIST? RATHER, IT'S A LETTER OR, YOU KNOW, AND AS I KNOW, IT COULD BE VERY SIMPLE TO TO TAKE, MAKE, MAKE THIS, THIS THING.

RIGHT. BUT THEY COMPLETELY BASED ON WHAT THEY SAID NOT ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY.

SO I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT AND BRING IT FORWARD.

AS TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN POSSIBLY BE DONE IF ANYTHING BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, IT NEEDS TO SAY, NEED TO SHED THE LIGHT ON IT.

LET THE PUBLIC KNOW AND, YOU KNOW IT'S NOT GOOD BUSINESS, SO.

NO, I AGREE WITH YOU.

CAN I GET A MOTION TO EXTEND THE MEETING? MOTION TO ADD 30 MINUTES.

30 MINUTES. WE MAY NOT USE IT.

HOPEFULLY WE DON'T USE IT. SECOND.

I GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I, I I.

SO WE GOT AN EXTRA 30 MINUTES.

OKAY, SO PART OF THAT DISCUSSION THAT NIGHT COULD BREATHE A LITTLE.

YES. PART OF THAT DISCUSSION, SIR, IS WHAT CAN WHAT CAN WE STUDY TO LOOK AT HOW WE PROTECT FOLKS LIKE THAT.

RIGHT. SO IF THE HOUSE IS BRAND NEW, JUST SO THAT I UNDERSTAND THIS BRAND NEW, BRAND NEW, AND WHEN YOU SAY IT FLOODED, WAS IT PLUMBING OR WAS IT. IT'S CLEARLY IT'S PLUMBING ISSUE AS THEY START USING AND WATER COMING OUT OF BOTH FROM THE PLUMBING, FROM BOTH SHOWER.

AND THERE'S NO GUARANTEE FOR TAKE.

TECHNICALLY, I HAVE AN IDEA.

I KNOW CERTAIN ASPECT ON A BRAND NEW HOME SHOULD BE COMPLETELY GUARANTEED, BUT THEY PUT THE BLAME AS OF THEY PUT THE BLAME ON THEM AS IF THEY DID SOMETHING WITHIN THE 48 HOURS THEY IN THE HOUSE.

WOW. SO WHICH WHICH, YOU KNOW, BASED BASED ON THE DESCRIPTION THEY PROVIDED, I THINK THAT WOULD BE WRONG.

IT'S A FAILURE OF CUSTOMER SERVICE.

ACCOUNTABILITY RESPONSIBILITY ON THE ON THE ON THE BUILDERS.

AGAIN, YOU KNOW, BASED ON WHAT THEY PROVIDED.

SO YEAH, I AGREE WITH YOU.

THIS IT APPEARS TO BE A CIVIL MATTER AT THIS POINT, BUT IN THAT DO WE INSPECT THE PLUMBING? WHAT? HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN? TWO DAYS.

TWO DAYS? AND THEN, BASED ON MISS, MR. PEARSON SHARE SOME FEEDBACK TO US.

SO THIS IS ONE OF THE BUILDER THAT THAT EMPLOYED OR THAT HIRED AN OUTSIDE PROVIDER.

OUTSIDE PROVIDER. WHICH WE DO.

I MEAN, WHICH, YOU KNOW.

SHERMAN. SHERMAN.

NO, NOT THE INSPECT THE INSPECTION COMPANY IN SHERMAN.

YOU MAY BE ABLE TO. YEAH.

AND THE STATE STATUTE IS REALLY, YOU KNOW, HAS BROADENED THE ABILITY OF GREATLY BROADENED THE ABILITY OF BUSINESSES TO USE PRIVATE PROVIDERS NOW WITH VERY LITTLE CONTROL OVERSIGHT.

SO IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE WANT TO LOOK AT FOR FUTURE WHEN WE'RE GOING UP TO TALLAHASSEE AND TALKING ABOUT POTENTIAL CHANGES WE MIGHT WANT TO MAKE, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE HIGH ON OUR LIST BECAUSE WE'RE WE'RE, AS STAFF, VERY UNCOMFORTABLE.

THE BUILDING BUILDING OFFICIAL, CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL CAN TALK TO YOU PROBABLY FOR HOURS ABOUT THE CONCERNS WE HAVE ABOUT PRIVATE PROVIDERS BASICALLY HAVE NO OVERSIGHT.

SO THEN THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF A SITUATION WHERE IT APPEARS THAT BASED ON THE FACTS WE'VE BEEN PRESENTED, PRIVATE PROVIDERS SIGNED OFF ON THIS HOME RESIDENTS MOVE IN TO NOT IT'S NOT REALLY READY FOR THEM CLEARLY.

AND NOW THEY'RE DEALING WITH ALL REPERCUSSIONS.

AND YOU KNOW IF MIRANDA IS NOT BEING RESPONSIVE THAT'S A THAT'S A PROBLEM.

SO ULTIMATELY THOUGH, IT'S MIRANDA THAT SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE REGARDLESS OF SOUNDS LIKE IT TO ME.

YES, SIR. YEAH.

SO WHAT WHAT WHAT AVENUES DO WE HAVE AS AS A CITY? WHAT? I MEAN, THIS SEEMS LIKE A PRIVATE THING, BUT I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT UP, BECAUSE I HAD NO KNOWLEDGE THAT THAT WOULD ACTUALLY GO ON.

I'M JUST PUTTING MYSELF IN THEIR SHOES.

BUYING A HOME.

I DON'T THINK LEGALLY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE COULD DO, BUT CERTAINLY A BUSINESS SHOULD BACK THEIR

[04:45:05]

PRODUCT IS THE WAY I SEE THINGS.

RIGHT? YEAH.

THIS IS SOMETHING THE HPCA WAS UP AT IN TALLAHASSEE TRYING TO GO AGAINST.

YEAH, BECAUSE IT PRETTY MUCH PUTS, YOU KNOW, IT LUMPS THEM IN A BAD YOU KNOW, A BAD VIEW AS WELL WHERE THEY'RE LUMPED OVER HERE WITH ALL THESE GUYS WHO AREN'T, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE THE CERTIFICATIONS AND ALL THE ALL THEY DON'T MEET ALL THE EXPERTISE LIKE THEM.

AND THEN YOU HAVE THINGS LIKE THIS.

SO I'M THIS IS ONLY ONE.

YEAH. WE LOST ALL OVER THE STATE.

SO COUNCILWOMAN JOHNSON THERE'S SOME GOOD COMPANY LIKE UNIVERSAL GOOD GOOD ENGINEERING COMPANY THAT PROVIDE THAT SERVICE.

AND BY ALL MEANS, THOSE INDIVIDUAL INSPECTORS, THEY THEY HOLD THE LICENSE.

SO THEY ARE THEY YOU KNOW, THEY ARE ACCOUNTABLE.

BUT NOW WHO'S HOLDING THEM ACCOUNTABLE AS AS THE BUILDER.

I HIRE YOU TO DO A JOB.

NOW, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU ALTHOUGH YOU ARE YOUR LICENSE TO DO THE RIGHT THING BY PEOPLE, BUT I'M STILL PAYING YOU.

SO IN SOME INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, ARE THEY DOING THE RIGHT THING NOT TO QUESTION THAT, BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A FAILURE.

SOME YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOMEBODY DROPPED THE BALL HERE.

AND CERTAINLY THAT THE HUSBAND AND WIFE, THEY WERE JUST COMPLETELY THIS IS THEIR FIRST EXPERIENCE, YOU KNOW.

CITY. WOW. WHERE THEY CAME HERE TO ENJOY THEIR RETIREMENT, BUT THEY COULDN'T.

SO I, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST THING IS MAYBE WE COULD I AGREE, WE NEED TO LOBBY THE STATE FOR THIS, BUT WE WE NEED TO PARTNER WITH HBC BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LOT OF STAKE, TOO, RIGHT? AND THEN HAVE WE ATTEMPTED TO COMMUNICATE WITH MIRANDA HOMES FOR THE CONSTITUENT? NOT YET. I JUST GOT THE THE RESPONSE FROM CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL PEARSON TODAY THAT IT WAS PRIVATE PROVIDERS.

BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT JUST TO SEE.

I MEAN, WE'RE WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OR ABILITY TO CHANGE IT, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY FROM A CITY STANDPOINT, TRY TO REACH OUT TO SOMEONE AT A HIGHER LEVEL IN THE ORGANIZATION AND SEE IF THAT WILL GET ANY MOMENTUM FOR THEM.

GOOD. OKAY.

THANK YOU. AND THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT FORWARD BECAUSE THAT THAT'S DEVASTATING FOR SOMEONE TO BUY A NEW HOME AND AND WALK INTO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO FOR MY REPORTS, I JUST WANT TO THANK OUR FIRST RESPONDERS FOR EVERYTHING THAT THEY'VE DONE.

AND THEY CONTINUE TO DO ON OUR BEHALF.

SO, MADAM SHERMAN, ANY REPORTS? NO, SIR. THANK YOU, MADAM SMITH.

NO, SIR. THANK YOU.

SO WE'RE NOW BACK UP TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.

YES, SIR. IF ONLY PICKLEBALL WAS BACK IN BIBLICAL TIMES, WE'D BE GOOD.

[PUBLIC COMMENTS/RESPONSES:]

I'M ENCOURAGED THAT I SAW AND BEAR WITH ME.

I SAW A STAFF FINALLY GET IT.

I THINK WE'RE MISSING NOT STAFF COUNCIL.

I THINK WE'RE MISSING A FACT.

I'M A REGISTERED INDEPENDENT, AND I'M CONSERVATIVE.

OKAY. THE PRESIDENT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW MAKES JIMMY CARTER LOOK LIKE A ROCK STAR.

ALL RIGHT, WHAT I WHAT I WANT TO TELL YOU IS I GREW UP POOR.

I KNEW WHAT IT MEANS TO BE POOR.

YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO COVER WHAT YOU WANT TO COVER.

YOU SIMPLY CAN'T.

NOW, I WORKED, I'VE HAD ABOUT SIX CAREERS.

I WORKED FOR BIG COMPANIES, AT&T, COORS, WHAT HAVE YOU.

I'VE BEEN THROUGH HIRING FREEZES, WAGE FREEZES.

OKAY. I'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS.

I'VE BEEN THROUGH THE FACT THAT WE'RE NOT GIVING OUT RAISES THIS YEAR, OKAY? BECAUSE I REMEMBER MY DAD, THEY NEVER LAID OFF AT THE WEST ELECTRIC, AND HE HE WAS PART OF THE PHONE COMPANY BECAUSE WHEN TOUGH TIMES HIT, THEY BASICALLY HUNKER DOWN. YOU CAN'T KEEP GIVING RAISES TO FOLKS.

ONE OF THE THINGS, IF I MAY, AND I'M TIRED, SO BEAR WITH ME.

LET ME GIVE YOU A REALITY PILL.

THE FIRST THING YOU FOLKS HAVE TO LOOK FOR IS PROVIDE SAFETY TO YOUR RESIDENTS.

WE TALKED ABOUT 18 MINUTES.

WE TALKED ABOUT 20 MINUTES.

YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH.

GOD DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO GIVE YOU TO TO PROVIDE ALL THESE FIRE ENGINES, FIRE STATIONS.

RIGHT NOW. WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE? LET'S NOT FORGET THE TIMES WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW.

YOU KNOW, PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, FOOD IS UP.

BEEF IS UP 40%.

WE HAVE MORE HOMEOWNERS INSURANCE INCREASES THAN PEOPLE CAN HANDLE.

AUTOMOBILE INCREASES.

I SEE PEOPLE COUNTING $5.40 FOR HAM.

YOU FORGET WHO YOUR RESIDENTS ARE.

WHAT IS THE AVERAGE SALARY THAT PEOPLE ARE MAKING HERE IN PALM BAY? YOU'VE GOT TO START MAKING SOME HARD CHOICES OF WHAT YOU GOT, WHAT YOU CAN AFFORD TO KEEP PEOPLE SAFE AND WHAT YOU CAN AFFORD.

I REMEMBER WHAT IT IS TO BE POOR, AND THANK GOD THAT I WAS ABLE TO TO LAND ON MY FEET AND GET THE JOBS I NEED TO BE ABLE TO RETIRE.

IT WASN'T ME, IT WAS GOD.

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YOU SIMPLY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO COVER WHAT YOU NEED TO COVER.

OKAY, WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT IT? I NEVER MET ANYBODY FROM THE BRONX WHO WERE RICH.

YOU KNOW, WE WERE ALL POOR.

AND THAT'S WHAT YOU START GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SOME SERIOUS CUTS, BUT YOU CAN'T PUT PEOPLE IN JEOPARDY.

HOW ARE YOU GOING TO LIVE WITH YOURSELF IF THERE IS A FIRE OUT SOUTH AND IT TAKES 20 MINUTES TO GET DOWN THERE AND PEOPLE ARE KILLED AND HOMES ARE BURNED.

YOU KNOW, LEARN, SPEND WITH WHAT YOU HAVE.

STOP PRINTING MONEY THAT YOU DON'T HAVE, LIKE THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION'S DO IT.

LET'S GET SERIOUS ABOUT HOW DO WE HANDLE AND SPEND WHAT WE HAVE.

THANK YOU. AND I'M SORRY TO BE DIRECT.

NO I'M NOT. NEXT SPEAKER.

YES, SIR. BARTON. OH, NO.

IT WAS. OH, EILEEN.

SEP. SHE SHE RAISED HER HAND BEFORE EILEEN.

SEP 12, 34 YEAR OLD ROAD NORTHEAST.

I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO TALK EARLIER ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS YOU'RE DOING, BUT LET ME JUST GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE AT A CANDIDATE FORUM.

ABOUT A WEEK AGO, I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE SAMPLE BALLOTS.

OKAY. THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH THEM IS THAT IS IT 75 CHARACTERS OR WORDS? I'M NOT SURE THE LIMIT ON IT, BUT WE NEVER GET TO SEE WHAT THE ACTUAL BILL IS.

AND WHEN THAT ORDINANCE OR AMENDMENT WAS MADE ON HOW TO CHOOSE A REPLACEMENT, IT WAS EXTREMELY SLANTED. NOBODY KNEW WHAT THEY WERE GETTING INTO.

IT WAS NOT CLEAR WHAT PROCESS YOU WERE GOING TO USE.

AND SO I SPOKE TO TIM BOBECK, THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS WAS THERE, AND HE SAID, WELL, WHAT I CAN DO IS I CAN PUT A LINK TO THE FULL TEXT OF THE AMENDMENT.

AND THEN I HAD LUNCH WITH HIM TODAY AND HE SAID, PALM BAY DOESN'T GIVE ME THE FULL TEXT.

WHERE IS IT? WHY DON'T WE EVERYBODY, EVERY OTHER CITY IS PROVIDING THAT, BUT WE DON'T.

AND ALSO MADAM ATTORNEY, NO OFFENSE, BUT YOU'RE ON RECORD FOR SAYING TELL ME WHAT YOU WANT, AND I WILL WORD IT IN A WAY THAT IT WILL PASS.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THIS WITH THE MILLING, THAT'S WHAT SOMEBODY HAS IT ON TAPE.

OKAY. IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THIS, PUT IN THOSE 75 CHARACTERS OR WORDS, THE AVERAGE COST, WHICH CHECKED WITH THE COUNTY APPRAISER TODAY IN PALM BAY IS $339 339,000 PER HOME.

PUT IN THERE AS THE AVERAGE AND SAY SO THE AVERAGE PERSON.

IT'S GOING TO COST THEM $676.

IS THAT WHAT I SAID? NO.

78. PUT THAT IN THAT FRONT PART AND SEE HOW PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO LIVE WITH IT.

I AGREE WE HAVE TO PAY FOR POLICE AND FIRE AND EMERGENCY SERVICES, BUT THAT'S OBLIGATION NUMBER ONE BEFORE STAFFING, BEFORE PUTTING IN NEW BUILDINGS, BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE, YOU LEARN TO LIVE WITH WHAT YOU HAVE.

I LIVE ON SOCIAL SECURITY.

SOMETIMES I HAVE $50 TO LIVE ON FOR THE MONTH.

WHEN THAT HAPPENS, I'M SHOPPING IN THE DOLLAR STORE FOR MY MEALS.

YOU HAVE TO LEARN TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE PEOPLE WHO YOU'RE IMPOSING THIS STUFF ON.

AND PLEASE DON'T BE MANIPULATIVE BY BY SUMMARIZING THINGS IN A WAY THAT WORKS FOR YOU AND NOT FOR THE PEOPLE.

I AM DISAPPOINTED THAT YOU'RE NOT AT LEAST GOING TO FILL THIS SEAT.

I DO AGREE, I DON'T LIKE THE PROCESS THAT THAT IT WOUND UP BEING, BUT I THINK ON THIS SHORT TERM IT REALLY MAKES SENSE.

AND YOU HAVE SOME GOOD PEOPLE WHO CAN FILL THAT AND ARE WILLING TO DO IT.

THANK YOU, MASTER CHIEF.

WHO'S NEXT? SO PLEASE GET CLOSER.

BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

I HAVE THREE ITEMS TO ADDRESS.

THE FIRST ONE SINCE WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT HOW THE MILLAGE RATE IS CHANGING AND SETTING IS, MAYBE WE COULD ON YOUR CHARTER AMENDMENTS, YOU COULD MAYBE PROPOSE THAT WE SUNSET THE 3% CAP.

THAT WOULD STILL KEEP US IN A MANAGEABLE TIME FRAME WHERE WE'RE AT, BECAUSE WE KEEP BLAMING THE CAP, BUT ITS CAP IS STILL THERE, SO WE JUST KEEP GIVING IT DIFFERENT NAMES AND THAT RAISING THE MILLAGE RATE, WE HAVEN'T ACCOMPLISHED ANYTHING.

LET'S CONSIDER PROPOSING THAT WE SUNSET THE CAP 3% CAP.

THAT'S NUMBER ONE.

NUMBER TWO, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE OUTSIDE INSPECTORS, YOU KNOW, THE FOR THE INSPECTORS FOR THIS HOME, WE'RE HAVING THE SAME THING UNDER YOUR PUDS AND STUFF LIKE THIS.

THEY'RE HIRING OUTSIDE COMPANIES FOR THE SURVEYS AND STUFF.

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THAT'S HOW THESE TREES GOT OVERLOOKED.

THEY HIRE THESE, THEY HIRE OUTSIDE COMPANIES AND SAY, OH, WELL, WE COULDN'T FIND ANY TREES.

THEY SUBMIT THEIR PAPERWORK AND THEY GET THE STAMP AND SAY, PROCEED.

INSPECTORS ARE THE INSPECTORS THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE PAYING.

THEY'RE BEING PAID BY THE PEOPLE THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, THAT BUILD THE HOUSE.

THEY DON'T WANT TO REALLY FIND THE NEGATIVES BECAUSE THEY DON'T THEY WANT TO MOVE THEM.

SO YOU NEED TO EITHER HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE AND THAT'S NORMALLY AN OUTSIDE AGENT.

I HATE SAYING THAT.

RIGHT. SO BECAUSE WE'RE SEEING THE RESULTS OF THE INSPECTORS THAT ARE PERSONALLY THINK THEY'RE ON THE GRAPH, THAT'S MY OPINION, RIGHT? ITEM NUMBER THREE, IF PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP CAN TAKE A BULLET, I THINK I CAN BE INCONVENIENCED A LITTLE BIT TO MY CITY OF PALM BAY.

IF HE CAN TAKE A BULLET FOR THE COUNTRY, I CAN BE INCONVENIENCE FOR THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

SO AFTER TONIGHT, WHEN THE PAPERWORK BECOMES AVAILABLE, I'M GOING TO BE SUBMITTING MY NAME TO BE APPOINTED FOR THAT SEAT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT'LL HAPPEN AFTER THAT, BUT IF HE'S WILLING TO DO THAT, I SHOULD BE WILLING TO STEP UP AND MAKE THE SAME DECISIONS YOU HAVE TO MAKE INSTEAD OF ME JUST BLAMING YOU. I'LL SIT UP THERE AND TAKE THE BLAME WITH YOU.

ANYONE ELSE? MISS AGUIRRE? MISS CONNELLY, PLEASE GET CLOSER.

I'LL SEE YOU. GARY. 1680 MAIN STREET, NORTHEAST PALM BAY.

I GOT A FEW QUESTIONS.

DON'T GET ME WRONG. I KNOW WE NEED THE POLICE AND FIRE.

THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT INFRASTRUCTURE WE HAVE IN OUR CITY.

BUT I WAS JUST THINKING, DO WE HAVE ANY PLAN B ON THIS FUNDING? AND NOT GOING TOWARDS THAT MILLAGE RATE? CAN WE LOOK AT ANY OTHER WAY OF GETTING THE FUNDS TO FUND THIS YOU KNOW, FIRE AND POLICE IN OUR CITY BECAUSE WE NEED THEM FOR THE LONGEST TIME THIS FIRE STATION UP BY PALM BAY ROAD, I THINK WE HAD GOTTEN A GRANT TO DO SOME WORK UP THERE, BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING DONE.

WE DEMOLITION THAT SITE, AND I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE ON THE WAY, BUT IT WASN'T.

IT WASN'T. IT DIDN'T MAKE ANY MOVE.

IT'S STILL. THEY'RE NOT MAKING ANY MOVE, SO SO I'M JUST SAYING WE DEFINITELY NEED I MUST EMPHASIZE ON IT, THE FIRE AND POLICE IS VERY IMPORTANT.

THEY RESPOND. TIME IS VERY IMPORTANT.

BUT CAN WE FIGURE A PLAN B ON THAT INSTEAD OF DOING THAT MILLAGE RATE? I AM A PROPERTY OWNER IN THE CITY.

I PAID LIKE 30,000 OR MORE FOR PROPERTY TAXES EVERY YEAR IN THE CITY.

AND IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG BURDEN FOR ME.

AND I'M JUST ONE OF THE PERSON I DON'T KNOW PEOPLE.

OTHER PEOPLE MAY PAY MORE THAN THAT 50, 60,000.

I GOT COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY AND RESIDENTIAL.

AND I'M JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN TRY TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT THERE.

YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THING IS, WHY DOES WE WAIT FOR 5 OR 10 YEARS BEFORE WE DO ANY INCREASE ON ANYTHING WE DO IN THE CITY. WE WAY TOO LONG.

AND THAT'S ONE OF THE EXAMPLES WHERE I SAID, IF MY, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS LICENSE WENT UP SO DRASTIC, I GUESS IT WAS THERE FOR 300 FOR MAYBE TEN YEARS.

BUT WE CAN'T DO IT LIKE THAT.

LET US INCREASE IT ACCORDINGLY ON A SMALL RATE INSTEAD OF THOSE INCREASES, 50% OR 100%. THE STORM WATER THE SAME THING.

I GOT QUITE A FEW PROPERTY, AND WHEN I LOOK AT THE TAXES, WHICH RECEIPT THAT STORM WATER IS WAY UP THERE, YOU KNOW, AND IT COST THE CITIZENS. SO PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

MAKE THE INCREASE ACCORDINGLY EVERY YEAR OR SOMETHING EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS AND NOT WAIT UNTIL TEN YEARS.

THANK YOU. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.

THANK YOU, MISS CONLEY.

THANK YOU ALL.

MY REMARKS ARE GOING TO BE KIND OF A SUMMARY.

I, I LIKE THE IDEA OF APPOINTMENT WITHIN 60 DAYS.

BILL BRATTON IS THE MAN HE REPRESENTS ME, AND I BELIEVE THE OTHER CITIZENS.

AND A POINT THE SECOND THING I WANT TO SAY IS YOUR OWN WORDS ON THE 3% CAP IS THAT IT LIMITS FUNDING AVAILABLE TO MEET THE NEEDS OF A HIGH GROWTH CITY.

BILL BATTEN AGAIN, SUNSET THE CAP.

HAVE A WORKSHOP.

REDO THE FIGURES, REDO THE BUDGET BASED ON.

IF WE DID NOT HAVE THE CAP, COULD WE MEET THESE ADDITIONAL EXPENSES? WE MIGHT BE SURPRISED.

WE MIGHT BE VERY SURPRISED.

AND THEN LET THE OWNER LET THE CITIZENS DECIDE.

DO YOU WANT TO HAVE AN INCREASE IN PROPERTY TAX, OR DO YOU WANT TO RELEASE THE 3% CAP AND LET THE INCREASE FUNDING

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MATCH THE INCREASE NEED? THE FINAL THING I WANT TO SAY IS, NO MATTER WHAT THE ORDINANCE CHANGE IS RELEASING THE ENTIRE TEXT.

WHAT? MR. BUBONIC SAID, RELEASING THE ENTIRE TEXT FOR CITIZENS TO READ, EVEN IF IT'S EIGHT PAGES LONG.

GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY.

DO NOT. THE SUMMARIES ARE UNCLEAR AND NOT THERE.

THEY'RE NO GOOD.

REALLY. WE'RE VOTING ON THINGS THAT HAVE SENTENCES THAT MAKE A DIFFERENCE, AND WE'RE THINKING WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS, AND WE GET THIS. SO I WANT TO NOT DROP THE ISSUE TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY TO PLEASE RELEASE IN ITS ENTIRETY WHATEVER ORDINANCES CHANGED TO PROVIDE THAT TO THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS, THEY WILL USE A QR CODE OR SOME WAY OF POSTING WHERE CITIZENS IN REAL TIME AT THE TIME OF THE VOTE OR THE SAMPLE BALLOT CAN SEE THESE THINGS.

GOOD NIGHT AND THANK YOU ALL.

THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? I GOT ANOTHER 15 MINUTES.

WELL WHAT IS THERE? YES. YES, MA'AM.

I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS THE COMMENT ABOUT THE LANGUAGE NOT BEING OUT THERE.

THE ORDINANCES THAT ARE ADOPTED FOR ANYTHING THAT'S ON THE BALLOT, ALL OF THE TEXTUAL LANGUAGE IS WITHIN THE ORDINANCE, JUST AS WAS TONIGHT.

THE TEXTUAL AMENDMENT IS IN THERE AS WELL AS THE OFFICIAL BALLOT LANGUAGE.

SO EVERYTHING IS IN THE ORDINANCE AND IT IS POSTED ON THE WEBSITE.