NO PROBLEM. ALL RIGHT, WE'RE READY TO GO.
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ALL RIGHT, LET'S CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.[CALL TO ORDER]
THIS IS MONDAY, JULY 22ND.THIS IS MEETING 2020 407 OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE ADVISORY AND OVERSIGHT BOARD.
CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? LOGAN LEWIS. TERRY MUELLER HERE.
DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS? I DON'T HAVE ANY SIGN UP SHEETS, SO I'M SEEING NONE.
ALL RIGHT. OH, I SKIPPED THE MINUTES AGAIN.
I DO THAT EVERY TIME. ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING 2020 406 FROM JUNE 24TH.
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DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR WANT TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I'M HEARING NONE, I VOTE I AND THAT MOTION PASSES.
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SO I ASKED FOR THAT TO BE PUT ON THE AGENDA, BECAUSE I REALIZED THAT EVERY OTHER GROUP WAS MEETING AT SIX.AND YOU KNOW, I STARTED LOOKING AT, WELL, WE'RE KEEPING STAFF HERE LATER THAN WHAT OTHER GROUPS ARE.
IS THAT REALLY THE RIGHT THING TO DO? I LOVE OUR STAFF.
IT SHOWED UP LIKE, OH, WE'RE FINE.
BUT I ALSO THINK THAT THEY HAVE LIVES TOO.
OH. ARE YOU GOOD WITH THIS? YEAH.
OH, SURE. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE MOVE OUR MEETINGS FROM 7 P.M.
I'LL SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND JUST FOR DISCUSSION.
MY ONLY COMMENT IS, I BELIEVE WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A YEAR OR SO AGO.
AND MISS FRAZIER DID HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT BEING ABLE TO MAKE AN EARLIER MEETING TONIGHT.
I WISH SHE WAS HERE BECAUSE I THINK SHE WAS ADAMANT THAT SHE COULDN'T DO THE 6 P.M.
MEETING. BUT THAT BEING SAID, I'M NOT.
I CAN DO EITHER TIME. IT'S FINE.
DO WE WANT TO STICK WITH THE MONTHLY MEETING OR DO WE WANT TO POSSIBLY GO TO LIKE A QUARTERLY MEETING? I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO DO PROGRAMS IN PLACE.
OKAY. SO WE'LL DO ONE MOTION FOR THE TIME.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO MOVE THE MEETING TO 6 P.M.
WITH A SECOND. ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THE TIME OF THE MEETING? NO. OKAY. SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND TAKE A VOTE.
AYE. ANY OPPOSED I OPPOSED OPPOSED OKAY.
DO YOU HAVE A VOTE TO MOVE THE MEETING TO 6 P.M.? YEAH. IT'S OKAY WITH ME.
OKAY. I'M TAKING THAT AS A YES.
SO THE NEXT WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE QUARTERLY VERSUS MONTHLY.
SO WE, WE DON'T GET AN UPDATE MONTHLY ON THE ROAD BOND PROGRAM.
AND IT FEELS LIKE SOMETIMES WE'RE STRETCHING TO TRY TO FIND REASONS TO MEET.
AND I AM A, I JUST I HATE MEETINGS FOR THE SAKE OF MEETINGS.
BUT I DO THINK QUARTERLY COULD BE A BETTER RHYTHM.
I DO FIND, ESPECIALLY LATELY, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS AND WE'RE KIND OF SEARCHING FOR AGENDA ITEMS. SO TO ME, IF THERE'S NOT AN ACTION ITEM I DO THINK A QUARTERLY MEETING PROBABLY WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE.
AND AS YOU SAID, WE CAN CALL A SPECIAL MEETING AS NEEDED IF SOMETHING COMES UP IN THE IN-BETWEEN.
BUT I THINK THINGS LIKE UPDATES ON PARTICULAR ROAD PROJECTS, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT CAN BE DIRECTED TO STAFF AND DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO BE FULL BLOWN AGENDA ITEMS AND CALL A MEETING JUST TO GET AN UPDATE ON A PARTICULAR INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENT OR SUCH.
SO I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF MOVING TO A QUARTERLY SCHEDULE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, MADAM CHAIR? YES. YES, SIR. I'D BE OPPOSED TO THAT.
THE CITIZENS HAVE OVER $150 MILLION ROAD BOND PAVING PROJECT, AND I THINK WE SHOULD MEET MONTHLY.
AND IF THERE'S NOTHING TO MEET OVER, THEN IT'S THE CHAIR'S DISCRETION.
I AGREE WITH THAT. I THINK IT'S MONTHLY IS IMPORTANT AS WELL AS WE WE SHOULD GO OUT AND LOOK FOR HOMEWORKS OURSELVES AND BRING SOMETHING TO THE TABLE WHEN WE MEET SO THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING TO TALK ABOUT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I'D SAY, YOU KNOW, WE THAT THAT COULD HAVE BEEN HAPPENING, THOUGH ALREADY IT HASN'T.
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AND SO THAT FOR ME IT'S IT'S WHAT WHAT WE COULD DO VERSUS WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN HAPPENING.AND I AGREE WITH THE IMPORTANCE OF THE ROWE BOND PROGRAM AND THE OVERSIGHT FOR IT.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, I, I'VE ALREADY STATED MEETING FOR THE SAKE OF MEETING OR NOW WE'RE TRYING TO WORK REALLY HARD TO TRY TO FIND A REASON TO MEET FEELS. I DON'T KNOW.
IT JUST DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT TO ME.
THERE ARE TIMES WHERE WE ARE PROVIDED WITH.
THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT.
AND THOSE MEETINGS ARE VERY PRODUCTIVE.
WE ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE OUR INSIGHT TO THE BOARD, BUT I, I ENJOYED THE LAST MEETING THAT WE HAD HERE, AND WE WERE OUT AT, LIKE, JUST 28 MINUTES, LIKE, LET'S GO.
AND SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE GET, HONESTLY, COULD HAVE BEEN AN EMAIL.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT STAFF, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CITIZENS.
AND THEN EVERYBODY SHOWS UP AND WE SAY, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO TALK ABOUT.
THAT, THAT THAT DOESN'T THAT DOESN'T SIT RIGHT TO YOU.
SO I AGAIN, I CONCUR WITH MOVING TO A QUARTERLY MEETING, MADAM CHAIR.
YES, SIR. MY ONLY PROBLEM WITH THAT IS SUNSHINE LAWS.
WE CAN'T DISCUSS SOMETHING IF IT COMES UP AND IT'S IMPORTANT.
DOES SHE NEED A PUBLIC COMMENT SPEAKER FORM ON THAT OR.
YOU CAN CALL PUBLIC. THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR, ISN'T THERE? NO. NOT YET. NO. OH, I THOUGHT WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING RIGHT NOW.
I LOOKED AT THIS COMMITTEE AS ONE OF THE MOST ACTIVE AND VITAL BOARDS THAT WE HAVE.
I AM ACTUALLY KIND OF HORRIFIED THAT YOUR COMMENT IS THAT WE HAVE TIMES WHERE WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO MEET ABOUT. YOU HAVE EVERYTHING TO MEET ABOUT.
YOU ARE THE THE TIP OF THE SPEAR REGARDING OVERSIGHT ON OUR ROADS, AND YOU ARE THE LINK TO US CITIZENS.
AND I THINK, IF ANYTHING DEAL WITH THE ISSUE OF IF THERE IS NOT A TOPIC OR REASON, IF YOU BEING ON THIS BOARD DO NOT SEE THAT OR SEE THE NEED. I JUST DON'T EVEN HAVE THE WORDS BECAUSE FOR ME, IT'S.
RIGHT NOW, THERE IS NOBODY WHO IS WITH THE DISSOLUTION OF THE CITIZENS BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD.
THERE IS NO OTHER BOARD THAT LOOKS AT THE BUDGET THAT UNDERSTANDS THE BUDGET THAT HAS SOME INPUT TO THE COUNCIL REGARDING THAT.
THERE IS A 66 OR $63 MILLION DEFICIT.
WE'RE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUDGET.
SO HOW, AS A CITIZEN, ARE WE DEALING WITH THAT DEBT? SO THAT'S ONE QUESTION.
I THINK I COULD COME UP WITH A FEW MORE IF I HAVE A FEW MORE MINUTES.
AND PLEASE CONTINUE TO MEET MONTHLY AND LOOK AT WAYS TO MAKE THIS EVEN A MORE VITAL INTER LINK BETWEEN THE COUNCIL AND THE BOARD AND THE CITIZENS.
YOU BROUGHT UP A POINT, SO I'D BE ACTUALLY CURIOUS.
HOW HOW WOULD THAT WORK THEN IF WE WERE.
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I GUESS EITHER WHICH WAY.SO THAT IF WE WERE KEEPING IT MONTHLY, HOWEVER, WE DIDN'T HAVE NECESSARILY SOMETHING FOR THE AGENDA.
SO HOW WOULD THAT WORK EITHER? WHICH WAY TO WHERE? IF WE REALIZE THERE IS NOTHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO CANCEL, BUT WE HAVE TO SHOW UP AND CANCEL? IF YOU WANTED TO CANCEL A MEETING, YOU COULD CONTACT KERRY OR MYSELF.
I BELIEVE YOU ALL HAVE OUR EMAIL ADDRESSES.
KERRY HAS THE ABILITY TO SEND NOTICES OUT TO ALL OF YOU.
USING A BLIND CARBON COPY WHICH DOESN'T ALLOW YOU TO RESPOND.
IT ALLOWS YOU TO RESPOND TO ALL, BUT IT WILL ONLY BE IN YOUR EMAIL AND OURS.
NONE OF THE BLIND RECIPIENTS WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE YOUR RESPONSE.
SO IT DOES FOLLOW SUNSHINE RULE.
SO IF YOU WANTED TO CANCEL OUT A MEETING, ADD SOMETHING TO A MEETING.
YOU WOULD ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS TO US.
WE WOULD GET THE INFORMATION OUT TO THE ENTIRE BOARD AND THEN REPLY WITH THE RESULTS.
I THINK I HAVE THAT AUTHORITY NOW, DON'T I? I BELIEVE YOU DO. BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE THEY THEY STAFF WILL TYPICALLY EMAIL ME AND SAY WE HAVE NO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
DO YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND CANCEL? IS THERE SOMETHING YOU WANT.
OKAY. YEAH. SO YEAH THAT PRACTICE IS ALREADY IN PLACE OKAY.
IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS. I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE A MOTION.
I MOTION TO LEAVE IT AS IT IS MONTHLY.
I'LL SECOND THAT. WE HAVE A MOTION TO KEEP THE MEETINGS MONTHLY.
SO NEXT WE HAVE UPDATE ON THE PAVEMENT PROGRAM FROM MISS CHRISTINE.
OKAY. YOU ALL HAVE A FORM IN FRONT OF YOU WHICH IS TITLED ROAD BOND PAVING.
THIS IS THE DOCUMENT THAT IS PROVIDED TO COUNCIL ON A MONTHLY BASIS.
THIS IS THE SECOND MEETING OF EVERY MONTH.
THE EXCEPT OF COURSE, FOR JUNE.
IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THE BLUE PORTION IS COMPLETED.
IT ACTUALLY STATES THE STATUS IS COMPLETED.
THE PROJECTS THAT ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION AS OF JUNE, AND THE UNITS THAT WE INTEND TO BID OUT, AS WELL AS THE UNITS THAT ARE IN PHASE FIVE, WHICH DO NOT HAVE A DO NOT HAVE FUNDING AS OF THIS TIME.
THE NUMBERS REGARDING FUNDING ARE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE SHOWING YOU THAT THERE WAS THERE HAVE BEEN 106 MILLION PLUS IN PROJECTS COMPLETED OR UNDER CONTRACT WITH ESTIMATED FUTURE PROJECTS OF 113 MILLION PLUS, FOR A TOTAL EXPECTED EXPENDITURES OF 220 MILLION PLUS, LEAVING A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ESTIMATED COSTS AND THE AVAILABLE BOND FUNDS OF $56 MILLION.
THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING THE INFORMATION.
WHAT? I WAS HOPING THAT BEYOND THERE, THOUGH, WOULD BE WE WHEN WE STARTED THIS, WE HAD WHAT PHASE IT WAS IN HOW MANY MILES TO COST AND WHAT WAS BUDGETED TO ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISH THE TASK VERSUS WHAT WE WHAT WE SPENT.
WOULD THAT BE THE SAME AS THE INITIAL ESTIMATE? BECAUSE WHAT I FIND IS THAT THE INITIAL ESTIMATES HAVE BEEN RUNNING ABOUT 30% OVER ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE PROGRAM.
WHEN I GO SPOT CHECK ONE OF THE BIDS, IT'S GENERALLY 30% LESS THAN WHAT WAS ESTIMATED.
I CAN GET THOSE NUMBERS FOR YOU.
THANK YOU. BECAUSE THE LAST PROJECTION WE SAW WHICH SAYS IF WE INCLUDE THE MICRO MILLION, WE THE DEFICIT IS PROJECTED AT ABOUT 25 MILLION. BUT HERE IT IS SAYING 56 MILLION.
THE MICROSERVICE MICRO SURFACING, RIGHT?
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YES. JOHN, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THE MICRO SURFACING AND THE ACCESS AND OR LACK OF THERE.WELL I'D SAY THAT WE'RE STILL REVIEWING THAT, AND I KNOW WE'RE WAITING TO GET DIRECTION ON THAT IF WE CAN CONTINUE WITH THAT. A LOT OF US ARE NOT BIG FANS OF IT, YOU MIGHT SAY.
SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE DIRECTION IS.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE HAD A CHANCE TO TALK TO VALENTINO ABOUT THAT YET.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT.
MAY I ASK WHAT? I CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE WITH THE MICRO SURFACING.
OR WHEN YOU SAY YOU'RE NOT A BIG FAN, ARE WE? ARE YOU NOT? NO. YOU KNOW, THE SAME PROBLEMS THAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY WITH THE ORIGINAL TWO PROJECTS WITH THE DIVOTS AND WHATNOT.
IT'S STILL THERE'S SOME, BUT IT'S NOT AS PRONOUNCED AS THEY WERE IN THE ORIGINAL TWO PROJECTS.
BUT LIKE I SAID, I'M STILL WAITING TO GET DIRECTION ON THAT.
WELL, THOSE COUPLE OF STREETS THAT YOU DID WITH THE NEW MIX, THOSE WERE KIND OF LIKE A PILOT PROJECT, THOUGH, CORRECT? CORRECT. AND WE DID TO SEE HOW IT WORKED OUT.
PM 39, WHICH IS OUT WEST HERE.
THE ONLY THING WE DIDN'T DO IN THAT UNIT WAS THE CUL DE SACS.
BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO ATTACH THAT THE CUL DE SAC WITH ANOTHER PROJECT COMING UP BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO PUT THE MICRO SURFACING IN THE CUL DE SACS BECAUSE THE INTEGRITY OR INTEGRITY AND, YOU KNOW, SO WE PLAN ON MILLING THOSE OUT AND DOING A THICKER LIFT OF ASPHALT AND THOSE CUL DE SACS SO THEY HAVE MORE STRUCTURE TO THEM TO WITH BE ABLE TO WITHSTAND THE GARBAGE TRUCKS AND WHATNOT TURNING IN THEM.
CHRISTINE, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER INFORMATION? THERE ARE LIMITATIONS AS TO WHEN WE CAN DO THAT WORK AS WELL.
IT HAS TO BE DURING COLD WEATHER, WHICH REQUIRES VERY LIMITED TIME OF THE YEAR.
YEAH, VERY PRECISE SCHEDULING BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GET THE BIDS OUT JUST AT THE RIGHT TIME AND HOPE THAT IT'S STILL COLD ENOUGH BY THE TIME WE GET THE CONTRACT AND THE NOTICE TO PROCEED TO END AND THE VENDOR SCHEDULE TO GET THE WORK DONE.
SO THERE ARE CHALLENGES TO USING THAT PROCESS, THAT PROCESS.
AND IF THE END RESULT DOESN'T REFLECT WELL ON THE WHOLE PROGRAM, IT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE REVISITED.
AND JUST WE JUST NEED TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE.
I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE LONG TERM COST OVER A 30 YEAR LIFESPAN, IT IS ABOUT THE SAME AS A, YOU KNOW, A MILLION SURFACE OR EVEN AN FDR IN SOME CASES. I MEAN, BECAUSE IF IT IF IT HAS A TEN YEAR LIFESPAN, YOU HAVE TO DO IT THREE TIMES, IT'S GOING TO END UP COSTING YOU THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY AT THE END.
AND AS I'VE SAID MANY TIMES BEFORE, I LIVE IN UNIT EIGHT, WHICH IS WAY DOWN HERE, PHASE FIVE.
AND YOU KNOW, I WAS PROMISED A BRAND NEW ROAD JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE CITY.
AND THEN I WAS TOLD, WELL, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET A NEW ROAD, YOU'RE GOING TO GET A MICRO SURFACE.
AND IN MY OPINION, IT IS NOT THE SAME.
SO I HOPE THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT ALL OF THE OPTIONS.
SO LIKE I SAID, IF YOU IF YOU WANT TO GO OUT TO UNIT 39, WHICH IS OUT WEST HERE, WISTERIA THAT AREA OUT THERE, THAT'S WHERE WE DID PUT THE MICRO SURFACING IN.
SO ALL THOSE SIDE STREETS OFF OF KRASNER, THEY ALL HAVE MICRO SURFACING.
YEAH. BECAUSE I THINK IT IS A HARD SELL FOR PEOPLE WHEN THEY'RE THEY'RE PAYING THE TAX.
BUT YET ESSENTIALLY THEY'RE PAYING THE SAME TAX.
SO THAT'S THAT'S MY THOUGHTS ON THAT.
SO I'M CURIOUS TO SEE WHERE WHERE THAT GOES.
SO I WOULD SAY THAT VALUE IS IMPORTANT.
VALUE IS GETTING GOOD PRODUCT FOR A GOOD PRICE.
CORRECT. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GETTING THE VALUE OUT OF THAT VERY WELL.
YES, THAT'S BUT THAT'S THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.
SO ARE WE SAYING THAT THE PRESENT BUT THE PRESENT ALLOCATION FOR 150 MILLION.
IS GOING TO COMPLETE ABOUT THREE QUARTERS OF THE THE ROADS PROJECTED.
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WE INTEND TO HAVE PHASES ONE THROUGH FOUR COMPLETED USING ALL ROAD BOND FUNDING.YES, THE ADDITIONAL FUNDING WILL HAVE TO COME FROM ADDITIONAL SOURCES.
WE ARE WORKING AT OUR OPTIONS.
WE ARE LOOKING AT OUR OPTIONS.
AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IT IS OUR INTENTION TO PAVE ALL OF THE ROADS AS PROMISED.
IT JUST MIGHT NOT ALL BE WITH BOND FUNDS.
OKAY. AND YOU SAID THAT THIS GOES OUT TO COUNCIL MONTHLY.
OKAY. BUT THEY HAVEN'T GOTTEN THIS ONE YET.
RIGHT. BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T MEET IN JUNE.
THEY GET THE ONE FROM THE PREVIOUS MONTH.
OKAY. SO IN JULY THEY GOT JUNE.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE A MEETING IN JUNE, SO THEY NEVER RECEIVED MAY'S.
BUT IN MAY THEY RECEIVED APRIL'S.
ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ON THE PAVING PROGRAM? SO THE ONLY PHASE, WHICH IS NOT HAVE NO FUN FOR US AT PHASE FIVE, BUT PHASE, WE NEED FUNDS FOR THE $56 MILLION.
WHICH? WHICH SECTOR? PHASE FIVE.
SO THESE. SO HERE WE RECEIVE PHASE FIVE AND IT SAYS UNDER CONTRACT.
BECAUSE THIS IS ALL DIFFERENT COLOR.
YES. WHAT WHAT WHAT DOES THAT REPRESENT? THAT REPRESENTS CONTRACTS THAT ARE GOING OUT TO BID.
THEY'RE PLANNED PROJECTS NOT NECESSARILY FUNDED, NOT UNDER CONTRACT, BUT THEY ARE PLANNED PROJECTS.
AND YOU SAID YOU COULD PROVIDE IT.
IS THAT BROKEN DOWN INTO WAYS THAT WE CAN EXPLAIN WHY AS WELL.
SO LIKE WE UNDERSTAND IN THE DIFFERENT SECTIONS WHAT WENT WELL OR WHAT WENT WRONG, I BELIEVE IT.
COUNCIL MEETING LAST WEEK, COUNCILMAN JOHNSON ASKED FOR THAT BREAKDOWN.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO BE TAKING BACK TO COUNCIL.
OKAY. SO WE'LL HAVE THOSE NUMBERS FOR YOU, I BELIEVE AT THE NEXT MEETING.
OKAY. SO WE CAN SHOW YOU ALL THAT TO LIKE, I JUST, I JUST, I LIKE THAT WE CAN LEARN FROM.
SO, LIKE, IF WE UNDERSTAND WHY SOMETHING COSTS MORE, THIS IS WHAT WENT WRONG.
GREAT. HOW DO WE LEARN FROM THAT? SO THAT MOVING FORWARD IT DOESN'T HAPPEN? JUST AS A YOU KNOW, AS AN EXAMPLE, I CAN TELL YOU FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE ROAD BOND PROJECT THE ASPHALT WAS GOING FOR ABOUT I THINK IT WAS $87 A TON, AND NOW IT'S UP TO 230.
YEAH. SO IT'S ALMOST THREE TIMES WHAT IT WAS.
AND I CAN ALSO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE ROADS ARE FOUR YEARS OLDER.
SO ROADS THAT WE HAD A HIGHER GRADE ON ARE NOW DETERIORATING.
YEAH. THE FURTHER ALONG WE GO FURTHER.
KUTNICK WOULD BE A GREAT EXAMPLE.
IF YOU DRIVE DOWN KUTNICK, HOW OFTEN DO YOU DO THE PCI EVALUATION? WE HAVEN'T.
WE ARE REASSESSING THEM AS WE GO ALONG.
OKAY. SO WE'RE NOT USING THE SAME.
THINGS HAVE CHANGED. I CAN SAY LIKE WITH UNIT 44, WE HAD TO GO BACK OUT AND REASSESS SOME OF THE STREETS OUT THERE, BECAUSE I BROUGHT IT TO THE ATTENTION TO FRANK.
AND LIKE FRANK, YOU NEED TO GO LOOK AT THESE ROADS.
SO WE CHANGED THEM FROM MILL AND RESURFACE TO FDR BECAUSE THAT'S HOW BAD THEY GOT.
YEAH. SO WE'RE WE'RE CONTINUALLY, YOU KNOW, REASSESSING THESE AS WE GO AS WELL.
IT SAYS THAT WE HAVE DRAWN ON 150 MILLION AND WE HAVE UNDER CONTRACT, WE HAVE DONE 403 MILES, 51%. AND I SEE ONLY TWO OTHER COUNTRY CLUB AND VEHICLE AND MAINTENANCE CONTRACT, AND ALL THE OTHERS ARE NOT YET. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M.
ARE WE SAYING THAT 150 MILLION ONLY DID 51? 51%? NO, SIR.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT THIS SHEET IS REFLECTING.
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BID HERE. SO YOU HAVE UNIT 22, 37, 57.AND THEN UNIT 45 IS GOING TO BE GOING OUT SOON TOO, I BELIEVE AFTER THE PIPES ARE DONE, THE PIPES ARE SCHEDULED TO BE STARTING HERE REALLY SOON.
I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE PRE-CON IS GOING TO BE SCHEDULED SOON.
DID IT GO TO COUNCIL ALREADY FOR IT? I THOUGHT IT DID.
I THINK IT'S GOING INTO NEXT MEETING.
OKAY. SO THOSE ARE GOING OUT TO BID.
SO ON THIS LIST WE WE WE WE CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE WHAT ARE THE UNITS.
WE CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS TO DO PHASE FIVE CORRECT.
DID WAS EVERYTHING IN PHASE FOUR.
WITH FUNDING I BELIEVE WE HAVE FUNDING FOR EVERYTHING IN PHASE FOUR.
IS JUST PHASE FIVE STUFF MISSING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE OR DO WE WANT TO MOVE ON? GOOD. OKAY.
SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER THREE WHICH IS THE SWALES AND RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT ERIC IS NOT ABLE TO BE HERE TONIGHT UNFORTUNATELY.
BUT WE HAVE MR. BUTTON HERE WHO IS MORE THAN HAPPY TO COME UP AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT SWALES.
GOOD EVENING. I BROUGHT SOME BROCHURES FOR EVERYBODY TO KIND OF KEEP EVERYBODY ON THE SAME PAGE.
OKAY? YOU CAN STAY ON THE PODIUM.
SO THE CITY OF PALM BAY IS A GDC COMMUNITY.
AND RATHER THAN DO CLOSED DRAINAGE SYSTEM, THEY WENT WITH AN OPEN DRAINAGE SYSTEM, WHICH IS SWALES.
OPEN DRAINAGE BASICALLY MEANS YOU CAN SEE EVERYTHING.
THE MISCONCEPTION WITH A SWALE IS THAT WATER SHOULD FLOW THROUGH THE SWALE INTO A CANAL, AND THEN INTO WHERE IT'S GOING TO END UP.
THAT IS NOT THE THE TRUE MEANING OF A SWALE.
TYPICALLY WHEN YOU HAVE COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE WELLS, YOU WANT SWALES BECAUSE THE WATER IS SUPPOSED TO PERCOLATE BACK INTO THE GROUNDWATER AND REPLENISH THE GROUNDWATER.
PALM BAY, HOWEVER, HAS KIND OF HIT HEAD TO HEAD BECAUSE IT'S NO LONGER A VERY SMALL COMMUNITY.
BUILDING GROWTH IS GROWING REALLY BIG.
PEOPLE ARE COMING IN FROM OUT OF STATE.
THEY DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE SWELL SYSTEM DOES.
THEY EXPECT TO SEE THE RAIN HIT.
WATER HITS THE SWELL AND GOES, THAT'S REALLY NOT THE UNDERSTANDING OF A SWALE.
YOU ALSO HAVE A MIXTURE OF HOMES BUILT IN THE 80S, 80, 81, 82 AND NOW YOU'RE HAVING A BUILDING BOOM WHERE HOMES ARE BEING BUILT IN 2024 AND THINGS HAVE CHANGED.
SEPTIC TANK REGULATIONS HAVE CHANGED, HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS HAVE CHANGED, AND NOW YOU HAVE HIGH VERSUS LOW, ALL MEETING THE STANDARDS OF WHEN THEY WERE BUILT.
BUT IT'S CHANGING THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO DO AT PUBLIC WORKS IS GET EDUCATION OUT TO NEW RESIDENTS AND EXPLAIN TO THEM WHAT A SWALE SYSTEM IS. WE ALSO NEED TO DISCUSS WITH PEOPLE IN CONCERNS OF THEIR CULVERT PIPES.
THE SWALE SYSTEM WAS FUNCTION ALTOGETHER.
YOU CAN'T HAVE ONE DEFICIENCY BECAUSE IT MESSES UP THE ENTIRE SYSTEM.
SO IF YOU HAVE A DRIVEWAY CULVERT, PIPE THAT IS CLOGGED OR FAILING OR HOLDING DIRT AND ONLY HAS 40% FLOW, IT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE DRAINAGE EVERYWHERE. IF YOU HAVE A CROSS DRAIN PIPE ON A STREET WITH BUILD UP OF DEBRIS OR DIRT, IT AFFECTS.
SO WHEN ALL THESE AFFECT, IT SLOWS DOWN THE FLOW OF WATER AND THE PERCOLATION.
THEN PALM BAY IS EVEN MORE UNIQUE BECAUSE SOME AREAS ARE SANDY BASED SOILS, OTHERS ARE CLAY BASED.
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CLAY DOES NOT PERCOLATE AS WELL AS SAINT, SO THAT'S WHY SOME AREAS OF THE CITY HAVE GREAT PERCOLATION.AND IT RAINS AND TWO DAYS LATER THEY HAVE NO WATER AND OTHERS HOLD SIX SEVEN DAYS.
SO WE AT PUBLIC WORKS HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALL THAT.
PUBLIC WORKS IS ALSO LOOKING AT MANY DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
WE'VE LOOKED AT A LINER PROGRAM IN A CITY, PORT SAINT LUCIE, WHICH IS ALMOST IDENTICAL TO PALM BAY.
THEY'VE ALREADY EXPERIENCED THIS, AND LINERS CAN BE HELPFUL IN CLAY BASED SOILS.
IT'S LAID IN THE SWALE AND IT ALLOWS WATER TO FLOW OPENLY.
SO WHEN YOU HAVE POOR PERCOLATION, THAT WORKS REALLY WELL.
IF YOU HAVE GOOD PERCOLATION, THOUGH, YOU DON'T WANT TO USE THAT BECAUSE YOU WANT THE GROUNDWATER.
SO WE'RE CURRENTLY INSPECTING DRIVEWAYS LOOKING FOR DRIVEWAYS THAT WERE PUT IN WITHOUT PERMITS.
PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE CULVERT PIPES ON THESE ILLEGAL DRIVEWAYS.
TRENCHING IS A BIG A BIG OPTION IN PALM BAY.
SO WHEN I GOT HERE, EVERYBODY WANTED TRENCHING.
TRENCHING WORKS FOR SHORT TERM QUICK SOLUTIONS.
IT DOES NOT NECESSARILY SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO TRENCH, YOU HAVE TO TRENCH RESPONSIBLY.
YOU CAN'T JUST GO CUTTING EVERYBODY'S SWALE.
SO WE'RE WORKING ON THAT AS WELL.
WE'RE WORKING ON ALL THE OPTIONS THAT ARE HOW WE CAN IMPROVE THE SWALE RAIL SYSTEM.
SOME OF OUR SWALES ARE JUST NOT AT THE GRADE THEY WERE WHEN THEY WERE ORIGINALLY INSTALLED.
AND THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT AS, AS HOW WE'RE GOING TO FIX THOSE SWALES AND DO ANY KIND OF GRADING AND GET GET THE WHOLE SYSTEM FUNCTIONING. BUT ONE OF THE BIGGEST MISCONCEPTION IS THAT WATER SHOULD HIT THE SWALE, GO INTO CANAL AND BE GONE.
AND THAT'S NOT EXACTLY WHAT A SWALE IS AT ALL.
BUT I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE BOARD MAY HAVE.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THE SWALES, MADAM CHAIR? YES, SIR. I'VE ACTUALLY DONE EDUCATED MYSELF QUITE A BIT ON THE ON SWALES.
SO I LIKE WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT TRENCHING, BECAUSE SWALES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE GRASS.
THE OTHER ONE IS MORE OF A QUESTION THAT I SEE PEOPLE ASKING ALL THE TIME.
PEOPLE GET OLD AND DISABLED LIKE MYSELF.
YOU COME ALONG WITH THAT TRENCHER AND YOU THROW ALL THAT MUD UP IN THEIR YARD.
WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO BRING THAT TO DO? OKAY, WELL, I WAS GOING TO BRING THAT UP.
THE CITY OF PALM BAY HAS HAD AND HAS ALWAYS HAD A SPOIL REMOVAL PROGRAM.
RIGHT NOW IT'S BASED ON HARDSHIP.
SO IF YOU HAVE A DISABILITY, IF YOU'RE ELDERLY.
LADY, JUST THIS MORNING CALLED IN.
SHE JUST HAD A BABY, BUT SHE'S A SINGLE MOM.
SHE CAN'T GO OUT THERE AND FIX IT.
YOU CALL CUSTOMER SERVICE, YOU CALL MY DEPARTMENT.
WE SEND A CREW OUT THERE TO GO PICK IT UP.
I JUST WANTED YOU TO GET IT ON THE RECORD.
IF IT'S THAT SITUATION, WE WILL DEFINITELY COME OUT THERE AND TAKE CARE OF IT.
YEAH. AND MY ONLY COMMENT ON THAT BECAUSE MY NEIGHBOR HAD JUST RECENTLY GOT TRENCHED.
SO THE DOOR KNOCKER THAT WAS LEFT SAID WE'RE COMING TO TRENCH.
SO I THINK MAYBE THE MESSAGING ON THAT COULD BE IMPROVED A LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE MY HUSBAND DID HAVE TO GO OUT AND HELP OUR NEIGHBORS BECAUSE THEY THEY'RE ELDERLY AND THEY COULDN'T GET ALL THAT DIRT PICKED UP.
THE DOOR KNOCKER THAT I'VE SEEN THAT WAS CREATED AND WENT THROUGH MAY ACTUALLY SAYS, IF YOU HAVE DIFFICULTY IN REMOVING YOUR SPOILS, YOU CAN CALL FOR A HARDSHIP.
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IT ACTUALLY SAYS THAT ON.YEAH, MY DOOR KNOCKER DID NOT SAY THAT.
AND IT WAS PROBABLY IN THE LAST TWO MONTHS.
DO YOU GUYS, ARE YOU DOING IT BY PHASES? LIKE, HOW ARE HOW WHAT DOES THAT PLAN LOOK LIKE? IS THERE LIKE WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO THIS AREA OF PALM BAY, AND AFTER THIS WE'RE GOING TO MOVE HERE OR.
SO WHEN I GOT HERE, THERE WAS 887 TRENCHING REQUESTS.
SO NOW WE DON'T HAVE JUST ONE TRENCHER.
OF COURSE THE OLDER TRENCHER BREAKS DOWN QUITE A BIT.
THAT'S, YOU KNOW, GOES THROUGH A LOT.
OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE AT LEAST 4 TO 5 TRENCHERS RUNNING ASSIGN THEM TO DIFFERENT UNITS IN THE CITY, AND THEN HAVE ONE TRENCHER ON HAND TO DO HOT TOPICS OR COMPLAINTS THAT COME IN.
AGAIN, TRENCHING IS NOT THE SOLUTION.
AND A LOT OF PEOPLE I HAD A LADY THIS MORNING TALKED TO ME.
SHE JUST CAME FROM WEST VIRGINIA.
SHE THOUGHT HER SWALE WAS THE TRENCH, AND SHE WAS UPSET BECAUSE IT'S NOT BIG ENOUGH TO HOLD WATER.
IT'S FROM THE EDGE OF THE ROAD TO THE TOP OF THE HILL, AND THAT'S MORE OF A CONDUCTOR.
IT'S JUST A KIND OF DRAW THE WATER DOWNHILL.
SO ONCE WE EXPLAINED IT, SHE UNDERSTOOD.
BUT THAT'S THE CHALLENGE, IS THAT PALM BAY IS FACING.
IS NEW PEOPLE COMING IN? I MEAN, BE HONEST WITH YOU, UP NORTH, THERE ARE NO SWALES.
EVERYTHING IS A STORMWATER TYPE SYSTEM.
LINERS IN AREAS THAT DON'T PERCOLATE ARE ANOTHER OPTION.
CLEANING OUT ALL THE CROSS DRAINS WHICH THERE'S ACTUALLY PROJECTS GOING ON NOW THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
THAT'S ALL GOING TO HELP DRAINAGE.
MOST OF YOUR BLOCKAGE IN A RUN WILL COME FROM FAILED CULVERT PIPES UNDER A DRIVEWAY OR RESTRICTIONS.
YOUR PIPE MAY NOT FAIL, BUT YOU MAY ONLY HAVE 30% FLOW.
SO THEN WHEN WE HAVE HEAVY RAIN FOR FIVE SIX DAYS, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A BIGGER BUILD UP.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AS FAR AS EDUCATING THE PEOPLE.
WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO EDUCATE THE PEOPLE NOW? WELL, WE'RE DOING BROCHURES.
THEY KNOCK ON THE DOOR WHEN THEY GO OUT TO DO AN INSPECTION.
AND WE'RE DOING IT WITH THE BROCHURES AND THROUGH COUNCIL TALKING TO COUNCIL, COMING HERE TONIGHT, TALKING TO THE BOARD, WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO GET THAT INFORMATION OUT. I KNOW, GO AHEAD.
WOULD LIKE TO SEE PEOPLE OUT THERE DIGGING TRENCHES.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY SEE WHERE THEIR MONEY IS GOING INTO SO.
WELL, AND THAT'S AND THAT'S CORRECT.
I'M JUST SAYING ENTRENCHING IS NOT THE THE MIRACLE CURE THAT'S GOING TO FIX EVERYTHING.
AND WE NEED TO GET BACK TO REMEMBER WHAT AN ACTUAL SWALE IS.
THEY THINK IT WORKS JUST LIKE A STORM PIPE UNDER THE GROUND THAT YOU SEE.
AND THAT'S. THAT'S JUST NOT IT.
SO AGAIN, IT'S IT'S GETTING OUT THERE AND DEP.
AND THEY SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN SOME WORDS OUT.
BUT IN FIVE MONTHS WE HAVE DONE AN AMAZING JOB AS FAR AS GETTING FLIERS OUT PUTTING THE TV IN THE CUSTOMER SERVICE WITH STUFF LIKE THIS FLOWING.
AND AGAIN, WORD OF MOUTH IS ONE OF YOUR BIGGEST.
WHAT ABOUT VIDEOS ON FACEBOOK OR INSTAGRAM? THOSE WOULD BE A GREAT TOOLS FOR YOU TO REACH MOST OF THAT COMING.
YEAH, WE'VE WE'VE BEEN TALKING WITH CHRISTINA BOYNE, THE CITY'S PIO, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT.
WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING SOME INFORMATIONAL VIDEOS.
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WE'RE LOOKING AT FILMING A TRENCHING.MATTER OF FACT, THEY JUST DID A NICE VIDEO ON MITTON ROAD, WHICH JOHN NARRATED.
WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING SOME THINGS LIKE THAT, ANYTHING THAT WILL GET THE WORD OUT TO PEOPLE.
GOOD. I WOULD THINK ALSO LIKE COMMUNITY EVENTS SUCH AS LIKE THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON DAY AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS WHERE YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE ACTIVE ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL SIDE THAT MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN THAT TYPE OF INFORMATION.
IF YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, A TABLE YOU CAN SET UP AND MAYBE PUT OUT YOUR BROCHURES AND WELL, AND THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD POOP BAGS OR THAT'S GOOD TOO, BECAUSE THE CITY IS IN THE PROCESS OF HIRING AN NPDES OUTREACH COORDINATOR.
AND THAT PERSON WILL BE AT EVERY EVENT.
AND SO THAT'S THE THAT'S THE WHOLE KEY.
AND THIS IS ALL HAPPENED IN THE LAST FOUR MONTHS.
BEFORE THEN, IT WAS TRY THIS, DO THIS.
NO, WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, DO THIS.
BUT WE JUST NEED TO GO FULL STEAM AHEAD AND JUST HIT ALL AVENUES.
YOU SAID THAT WE'VE CURRENTLY INCREASED THE NUMBER OF DEVICES THAT YOU USE TO TRANCE, BUT YOU SAID YOUR GOAL IS TO YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE AT LEAST FOUR AND THEN ONE YOU UTILIZE FOR EMERGENCIES.
I RIGHT NOW, I THINK CURRENTLY THE CITY IS WORKING ON ITS BUDGETING.
WAS THAT LIFTED UP AS FAR AS TO BE OR ASKED TO BE AS A PART OF THAT BUDGET? YES. OKAY.
SO THEY GOT US A FEW RIGHT AWAY.
WE'RE HOPING TO GET ALL THE REST AFTER OCTOBER.
AND THOSE ARE FUNDED THROUGH THE GENERAL FUND OR THROUGH STORMWATER UTILITY.
YOU CAN USE BOTH, BUT WE HAVE STORMWATER MONEY.
AND BECAUSE IT'S RELATED STORMWATER, YOU CAN USE THOSE FUNDS.
OKAY. WE ARE USING STORMWATER UTILITY FEES.
OKAY, GOOD. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS? WALES? NO.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.
THE NEXT WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE UPDATE ON THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES.
THE JANUARY MEETING WAS GIVING YOU INFORMATION FROM NOVEMBER.
SO THIS IS THE MOST CURRENT INFORMATION I HAVE.
CURRENTLY 32905 NEXUS HAS A BALANCE OF $5,720,042 IN TIF FUNDS AVAILABLE FOR USE. THERE ARE GOING TO BE TWO PROJECTS THAT WILL BE FUNDED THAT ARE ALREADY INCLUDED IN THAT BALANCE, AS SHOWN ON THE FORM THAT I PROVIDED TO YOU.
3907 HAS A CURRENT BALANCE OF $5,000,620.
HAS A CURRENT BALANCE OF $7,390,605, INCLUDING FUNDING FOR THE ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THE SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY AT MALABAR SIGNAL.
NEXT IS 3 TO 909, HAS A CURRENT BALANCE OF $15,199,110, INCLUDING PROJECTS THAT HAVE FUNDING AVAILABLE FOR DESIGN FOR THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS AT SAN FILIPPO AND JUPITER SAN FILIPPO AND WYOMING SAN FILIPPO AT KOGAN, AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL FUNDING NEEDED FOR THE SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY AND BABCOCK INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS.
SO INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS SIGNALIZATION, ROAD WIDENING, ETC..
INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS? YES, SIR. ARE THERE ANY PLANS FOR THE INTERSECTION BETWEEN BABCOCK AND COGAN? COUNTY. THIS IS ALAN DUNN, OUR TRAFFIC OPERATIONS DIVISION MANAGER.
IT'S JUST THAT SECTION OF BABCOCK IS BREVARD COUNTY'S SECTION OF THE ROAD, NOT THE CITY'S TO DO SO.
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IT'S KIND OF HARD TO GET THAT ON BOARD.DO YOU WANT THE CITY TO FUND SOMEONE ELSE'S JOB? BUT THEY ARE LOOKING INTO THINGS THAT THEY CAN DO FOR THEIR WHINING, BECAUSE IT'S A DISCUSSION WITH THAT WHOLE SECTION THERE.
THERE'S ALSO DOWN THERE FROM WHAT WAS IT, GRANT AND BABCOCK? YEAH. BABCOCK.
YEAH. AT BABCOCK AND ALSO BEEN IN DISCUSSION.
BUT IT IS BEEN ON THE RADAR OF INTERSECTION THERE.
IT'S JUST IT'S BREVARD COUNTY'S INTERSECTION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES? NO. ALL RIGHT. NEXT, UNDER OTHER BUSINESS, DO WE HAVE ANY AGENDA REQUESTS FOR FUTURE MEETINGS UNDER OTHER BUSINESS?
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CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YES, SIR.THE MEANTIME, KNOW THAT THEY ARE WORKING ON THEIR.
ARE THEY WIDENING IT? ARE THEY JUST DOING THE SAME? NO, SIR, WE'RE NOT WIDENING.
SO IS THAT A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER OR CORRECT? WHEN IS THIS ROAD PROJECTED TO BE DONE HERE? MINTON OR BLOCKED AREA? THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO START PAVING.
WEDNESDAY. IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
THEY GOT PUSHED BACK A DAY BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T FINISH UP A JOB DOWN SOUTH.
BUT THE PAVING CREW WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HERE WEDNESDAY.
SO I'M HOPING THEY SAY SIX DAYS OF PAVING.
I'M HOPING LESS, BUT IT MIGHT GO INTO EARLY NEXT WEEK.
BUT WE SHOULD BE DONE IN THE ROAD BACK OPEN SOMETIME MIDDLE OF NEXT WEEK, I'M HOPING.
YES, SIR. COULD WE GET AN UPDATE ON THE SYNCHRONIZATION AND AUTOMATION OF THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS ALONG MALABAR ROAD, PLEASE? SURE. THAT DIDN'T WE.
WERE WE APPLYING FOR AN SPG GRANT FOR A PILOT PROJECT FOR SIGNALS ON MALABAR? IS THAT THE SAME LOCATION? WHAT WAS THAT? DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY. YEAH, THAT WAS THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY BLOCK GRANT.
YEAH. WE HAVE APPLIED AND WE ARE WE'RE GETTING THROUGH THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS.
IT'S SIX I MEAN IT'S EIGHT INTERSECTIONS.
IT'S BASICALLY SAN FILIPPO TO EMERSON JUMPING DOWN TO MINTON PLAZA.
OKAY. AND THEN WE'RE ADDING JUPITER.
AND NO, IT'S COMMUNITY COLLEGE IN SAN FILIPPO.
OKAY. MORE INFORMATION THAN THAT.
I'M GOOD WITH THAT. I JUST IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN ON BOARD FOR A WHILE NOW.
OKAY, BUT YOU WERE AWARDED THAT GRANT.
MATCHING FUNDS. GRANT? CORRECT.
I DON'T THINK IT WAS. IT WAS A MERCHANT ACCOUNT.
AND DO YOU RECALL THE THE NAME OF THAT GRANT? ALLEN I DON'T HAVE IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT.
YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT THE A DIFFERENT GRANT, I BELIEVE THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY BLOCK GRANT.
THAT WAS IN REFERENCE, I BELIEVE.
YES. I FORGET WHAT THEY'RE CALLED.
WE'D CALL THEM HAND HOLDS, BUT THE BOXES UNDERNEATH MALABAR ROAD THAT SEVERAL YEARS AGO WERE LEAKING, AND WE HAD TO SHORE THEM BACK UP AND SEAL THEM AND EVERYTHING. WHAT'S THE STATUS ON THAT? YEAH. CORRECT.
WE DID THE SPIN CASTING METHOD INSIDE THERE, AND I JUST WENT BACK IN THERE THREE WEEKS AGO.
FOUR WEEKS AGO TO DO ANOTHER INSPECTION ON THAT.
I DIDN'T SEE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THAT.
I KNOW CHRISTINE IS MALABAR ROAD.
WE WON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THOSE AREAS SINKING AGAIN.
WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF FINALIZING DESIGN PLANS AND BID DOCUMENTS TO GO OUT TO BID.
I BELIEVE WE ARE EXPECTING SEPTEMBER OR EARLY OCTOBER TO GO OUT TO BID SO THAT WE CAN HAVE HOW HOW
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IS THAT WHAT WE SAID? SEPTEMBER FOR BID? FORBID. YES. SO WE CAN GET THE WORK DONE, HOPEFULLY IN NOVEMBER OR DECEMBER DURING THE DRY SEASON.TO WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT METHODS.
WE'RE GOING TO BID OUT AND DETERMINE WHICH WAY WE'RE GOING TO GO AFTER THE BIDS ARE DONE.
RIGHT. SO YOU'RE TALKING THIS FALL WHEN THE WEATHER TURNS AND YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT.
THAT'S JUST THE DRAINAGE PORTION OF IT.
WHEN ARE WE LOOKING AT PAVING MALABAR ROAD THAT.
AND I KNOW WE HAVE THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS TO DO AT MALABAR AND WE HAVE TO DO THOSE.
MY UNDERSTANDING, WE HAVE TO DO THOSE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS IN PHASES.
SURE. SO AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO COME WE'LL HAVE TO TAKE THE MEDIAN OUT AND WIDEN THAT PIECE LAST.
AND I WOULD SAY WE SHOULD WAIT PROBABLY UNTIL WE GET ALL THAT WORK DONE.
WELL YEAH. BEFORE WE COME IN THERE TO JUST WHERE DOES THAT PUT RESURFACING? I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S ALL GOING TO PLAY OUT.
YOU KNOW, I COULDN'T REALLY GIVE YOU MALABAR ROAD.
REALLY DON'T HAVE 3 OR 4 YEARS OF LIFE LEFT IN IT.
IT DOESN'T. IT RIDES HORRIBLY.
YEAH. OH, NO, I KNOW, I KNOW, I EVERY DAY SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT.
WE'LL BE TAKING A LOOK AT THAT.
OKAY. AND SEE HOW WE CAN GET IT PHASED IN, YOU KNOW, TO TRY AND FOLLOW AND SEQUENCE EACH OTHER.
THAT'S THE WAY I'D LIKE TO DO IT, IS DO IT IN SEQUENCES.
SO. BUT CURRENTLY THERE'S NO FUNDS FOR THE MALABAR TO PAVE THE MALABAR ROAD.
BASED ON WHAT WE SEE ON THIS DOCUMENT HERE.
THEY'RE GOING TO FIND MONEY THOUGH. THEY'RE GOING TO GET THE MONEY SOME OTHER WAY.
THERE'S NO ROAD BOND FUNDS AVAILABLE FOR MALABAR ROAD AT THIS TIME.
YES. CORRECT. AND WHAT'S THE LIFESPAN ON THAT SPIN CASTING? I FEEL LIKE IT WAS A REALLY LONG TIME.
I WANT TO SAY IT WAS 50 YEARS.
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT TO WHAT I REMEMBER SPEAKING WITH FRANK ABOUT IT.
YEAH. BUT, YEAH, IT'S IT'S AT LEAST 50 YEARS.
YEAH, IT WAS A NEAT 50 TO 75, I THINK IT WAS.
YEAH. OKAY. I WAS THINKING 50.
OKAY. SO DO WE HAVE ANY AGENDA REQUESTS FOR FUTURE MEETING? YES. YES, SIR.
WHO'S IN CHARGE OF PUTTING UP LIGHTS IN AREAS THAT ARE DARK OR PUT NEW LIGHTS? THAT WOULD BE YOU. SO WHAT, WE ASK WHAT ARE THE PLANS TO LIGHTEN UP THE STREETS IN THOSE DARK AREAS AND THE NEW CONSTRUCTION AREAS LIKE.
SUCH AS NEW SUBDIVISIONS, WHEN NEW SUBDIVISIONS, NEW SUBDIVISIONS.
WHAT ABOUT THE OLDER STREETS? COLLECTOR ROADS LEADING UP TO THEM? YEAH, OLDER STREETS LIKE READING ROAD OR, YOU KNOW ROADS.
YEAH. WE, WE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL.
WE HAD TO GO TO COUNCIL. AND PART OF THIS WAS THE DISCUSSION OF HOW TO MOVE FORWARD.
WE ARE ENTERTAINING A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
THERE IS WE'RE LOOKING AT A FEASIBILITY STUDY.
WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING A FEASIBILITY STUDY IN TO TAKING ON THE STREET LIGHTS TO FOR THE CITY TO OWN THE MOVE FASTER, BECAUSE WE HAVE A PROJECT WITH FTL THAT WAS JUST PUTTING UP 61 LIGHTS, AND WE'RE IN ALMOST THE SECOND YEAR OF IT.
THEY MOVE SLOWER THAN MOLASSES IN THE DEAD OF WINTER.
YEAH, BUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO MOVE FORWARD, IS ONCE WE GET THROUGH THE FEASIBILITY STUDY AND DECIDE THE DIRECTION TO GO, WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT, WE NEED TO HAVE OH, I'M LAPSING ON THE NAME OF WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS IT'S.
A PLAN OF HOW TO MOVE FORWARD TO MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT.
BECAUSE WHAT WE LOOK AT FROM A PUBLIC SAFETY STANDPOINT IS OUR MAJOR ROADS.
FIRST, THERE'S MORE TRAFFIC, MORE PEOPLE ARE USING THEM THAN YOUR LOCAL ROADS.
AND THAT'S WHY WE PUT OUR DOLLARS FOR OUR LIGHTS.
FIRST, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND YOU BY THE SLIGHT IN THE CURRENT SYSTEM WITH FTL, IT'S FOR LIFE.
IT'S LIKE BACK IN 2007 OR WHATEVER WHEN WE HAD THE ECONOMIC DOWNTURN SEVERELY THE CURRENTS.
THE CITY MANAGER AT THAT TIME ACTUALLY LOOKED AT SHUTTING LIGHTS OFF TO SAVE MONEY, AND HE FOUND OUT HE COULDN'T DO THAT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO YOU PAY TO GET IN, YOU PAY TO GET OUT. THEY OWN YOU IN A SENSE OF THAT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GET OUT OF THEM.
DO YOU HAVE, SAY OVER WHAT TECHNOLOGY THEY USE? BECAUSE I'VE SEEN IN CERTAIN CITIES THEY HAVE MATTER OF FACT, THERE'S A COMPANY THAT'S BASED OUT OF HERE WHERE THEY HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY THAT AUTOMATES EVERYTHING TO WHERE LIKE, IT KNOWS WHEN TO ACTUALLY, LIKE, TURN ON AND CUT OFF SO THAT IT'S ACTUALLY SAVING.
SO I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S THEY USE A PHOTOCELL SYSTEM BASICALLY HERE.
OKAY. AND SO IT'S TRIGGERED BY THE THE SUN GOING DOWN AND COMING UP.
WE HAVE CONVERTED FOR THE CITY TO LED LIGHTS FROM THE MAJORITY PART.
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THERE IS A FEW RANDOM HIGH PRESSURE SODIUMS LEFT ON US, ONE MAINLY BECAUSE THAT'S A COMBINATION OF OURS AND AND FDOT KIND OF THING.BUT IT'S JUST AS FOR LIKE PUTTING ON THE ROADS RANDOMLY, IT'S WE HAVE TO HAVE A MASTER PLAN.
THAT'S THE WORD I WAS LOOKING FOR.
I'M SORRY TO HOW TO TREAT EVERYBODY EQUALLY BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY, IT THERE'S A TENDENCY TO TREAT THE SQUEAKY WHEEL MORE THAN AND FOCUS JUST ON HIM BECAUSE HE VOCAL THEN THE WHOLE THAT THE PEOPLE ARE QUIET BUT THEN IN THE SAME BOAT.
SO WE NEED TO TREAT EVERYBODY THE SAME AND EQUAL.
SO WE NEED A MASTER PLAN HOW TO GO FORWARD.
AND WE'RE DISCUSSING HOW TO GET THAT DONE.
THE VENDOR IS SAYING WE HAVE PROJECTED OF SAVINGS THERE.
SO WHAT ABOUT THE ATTACHMENT THOUGH? DO YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO ATTACH ON THE POLES, OR DO YOU HAVE AN AGREEMENT, OR WOULD YOU HAVE TO PUT OUR OWN POLES IN? SO ONCE YOU OWN IT, IT'S YOURS.
AND THEN YOU HAVE A LITTLE ISSUE.
AND THAT'S JUST DEPENDS ON FPL.
BUT WE DO NOT HAVE THE RESULTS OF THE OF THAT FEASIBILITY STUDY YET.
WE'RE STILL A FEW MONTHS OUT FROM THAT.
OKAY. DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? KIND OF. SORT OF. YES, IT DID.
DON'T THEY HAVE LIGHT POLES OUT THERE THAT ARE SOLAR THAT FUNCTION VERY WELL WITH LED? ALL RIGHT. OKAY.
WE DID LOOK AT INTO SOLAR OKAY.
AND THE SOLAR COMPANY LIKE YOU'LL GO DOWN MALABAR ROAD.
THERE IS A SUBDIVISION DOWN THERE I THINK IT'S CALLED CHAPARRAL.
THAT COMPANY WOULD CHARGE YOU $50 A MONTH FOR THAT LIGHT.
OKAY, WE LOOKED AT MULTIPLE DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
WE BUY THE LIGHT OUT AND PUT SOLAR LIGHTS IN OUT OF 5000 AND CHANGE EACH, AND THEN THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO PAY AT LEAST $10 FOR THEM TO MAINTAIN THEM BECAUSE IT'S PROPRIETARY TECHNOLOGY.
WE LOOKED AT, HEY, TEACH MY CREW HOW TO FIX THEM.
THEY WERE STILL CHARGING US FIVE BUCKS A MONTH, SO $3 AND WE DON'T HAVE TO TOUCH IT.
SO AT THIS STAGE SOLAR LIGHTING IS NOT REALLY AN OPTION FOR US.
PARKS WOULD MAKE SENSE AND STUFF LIKE THAT FOR I MEAN IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT LIKE A BILL, OUR STREET LIGHT BILL IS LIKE OVER $1 MILLION FOR STREET LIGHTS ALONE FOR ELECTRICITY.
IT'S THE LARGEST LINE ITEM IN MY ACCOUNTS.
YEAH, ADDING ANOTHER 50,000 STREET LIGHTS.
IS THAT GOING TO AFFECT DRIVING. THERE'S A LOT OF PHOTOMETRIC ISSUES TO.
ANYTHING ELSE? ARE WE GOING TO BE REPLACING THE ENGINEER THE LEFT OR THE.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYMORE. WATANABE.
MR. WATANABE, I BELIEVE THAT POSITION IS POSTED RIGHT NOW.
SO THEY'RE THEY'RE SEARCHING FOR A CITY ENGINEER.
MR. WATANABE STILL WORKS FOR THE CITY.
HE'S A TRAFFIC ENGINEER, RIGHT? WE ARE POST WE HAVE POSTED FOR A CITY ENGINEER.
I TRIED, WE WE HAD WE ANSWERED THEM.
BUT YOU WERE GOING TO PROVIDE THE REPORT THAT ALSO HAD FOR THAT.
OH MY GOSH, YOU GUYS, I'M SO IMPRESSED WITH YOU ALL.
THE DISCUSSION HERE TONIGHT, I'M SO GRATEFUL YOU MET I'M SO GRATEFUL.
THIS HAS BEEN SUCH AN INFORMATIVE.
I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PAPER TO WRITE DOWN ALL MY NOTES AND INFORMATIVE SESSION.
FROM WHAT'S GOING ON FROM OUR STAFF.
THANK YOU FOR TRULY REPRESENTING THE CITIZENS IN THE QUESTIONS YOU ASK ABOUT THE ROADS AND THE YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THAT ROAD PROGRAM IS.
I SO I WANT TO SAY THAT THE OTHER THING IS.
SO I KNOW THAT THIS COMMITTEE GIVES A REPORT TO CITY COUNCIL, I SAW IT, THEY APPROVED IT.
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IT WAS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.MY GUESS IF THEY READ THAT REPORT WOULD BE NO.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT MAYBE YOU COULD BECOME MORE VISIBLE BY DOING THREE MINUTE PUBLIC COMMENTS TO UPDATE SOME OF THE THINGS AT THIS.
THAT HAPPENS AT THIS MEETING SO THE PUBLIC COULD HEAR IT AND SEE YOU.
A REPRESENTATIVE FROM HERE, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE THIS NOW, IT'S $56 MILLION DEFICIT.
AND COUNCIL IS IS COMING BACK TO THE CITIZENS ASKING FOR ANOTHER TWO MILLS TO TAX OURSELVES FOR POLICE DEFICITS. OUR SAFETY AND WHAT I'M HEARING IS, WELL, DO THEY EVEN KNOW THAT THERE'S THIS $56 MILLION DEFICIT CONTINUING AND THAT THERE IS NO REAL PLAN. YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE ROADS WE STARTED WITH FOUR YEARS AGO NOW ARE NEEDING MORE WORK, WHICH MEANS MORE MONEY.
SO IF WE CAN'T PAY OUR POLICE, HOW ARE WE GOING TO PAY THE ROADS? THESE ARE THE KIND OF VITAL ISSUES THAT YOU ALL BRING TO THE FOREFRONT AND.
AND THAT YOU WORK OUT AMONGST YOURSELVES.
I FEEL SO AGAIN, SO WELL REPRESENTED.
REGARDING SWALES, I LOVE SWALES.
THIS IS I SERVE ON THE PALM BAY SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY BOARD, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE CITY DID WITH US IS THEY CAME TO THE SUSTAINABILITY BOARD AND ASKED US TO DEAL WITH BASIN 13, WHICH IS PUTTING PLANTS IN TO HELP WITH THE A GREENWAY.
SO WE KIND OF OVERLAP IN SOME OF, OF WHAT WE DEAL WITH.
AND ONE THING THAT WE DO IS WE HAVE UPDATES FROM CITIZENS AND WE HAVE PRESENTATIONS LIKE YOU DID TONIGHT. YOU KNOW, AGAIN, GETTING TO THE ISSUE OF DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH TO MEET ON.
THE AND I'M JUST ASTOUNDED THAT WE DON'T EVEN OWN OUR LIGHTS.
BUT AGAIN, TO TRANSLATE THAT INTO THE FINANCIAL IMPACT, WE DON'T OWN OUR LIGHTS.
SO THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT I THINK CITIZENS WILL NEED TO HEAR AND NEED TO GET IMPASSIONED LIKE I AM. I MEAN, I JUST WANT TO BE PART OF THE SOLUTION.
AND SO THIS BOARD IS DOING AN EXCELLENT JOB.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.
SO WE'LL FOLLOW UP AT THE NEXT MEETING WITH THE RESPONSE TO MR. JONES REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
AND THEN I DIDN'T HEAR ANY OTHER REQUESTS.
SO I'M HEARING NO ANYTHING ELSE THIS EVENING.
SO WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND ADJOURN AT 8:11 P.M..
THANK YOU EVERYONE.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.