Aug 01, 2024 Council Meetings - Regular

THE NEXT ITEM IS THE APPLICANT FOR ITEM NUMBER SIX UNDER PUBLIC HEARINGS, HAS REQUESTED A CONTINUANCE TO THE AUGUST 13TH REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING.

CARRY ON. THANK YOU.

I NEED A MOTION. YES, SIR.

SO MOVED SECOND, GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SINGING BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

SO ANYONE HERE FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS? ITEMS FOUR, FIVE AND SIX THAT WILL BE HEARD IN OR ON AUGUST 13TH.

CARRY ON. MA'AM. IN THE LAST TWO ARE ADDITIONS TO THE AGENDA.

THE FIRST IS CONSIDERATION OF CHANGE.

ORDER NUMBER FIVE TO THE BABCOCK STREET AND SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS AND APPROPRIATION OF TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES THAT HAS BEEN ADDED TO THE AGENDA AS ITEM ONE UNDER PROCUREMENTS.

AND LASTLY, CONSIDERATION OF UTILIZING FIRE IMPACT FEES FOR THE PURCHASE OF FIRE EMERGENCY VEHICLES HAS BEEN ADDED TO THE AGENDA AS ITEM TWO UNDER NEW BUSINESS.

THANK YOU MA'AM. DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR REVISIONS? YES, SIR. THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

MISS EDWARDS, ANY AGENDA REVISIONS? NO. THANK YOU.

NO. NO, MAYOR.

I'M SORRY. THANK YOU. SO, GENTLEMEN I'VE GOT AN AGENDA REVISION.

I'D LIKE TO REQUEST ITEM NUMBER ONE OF THE NEW BUSINESS RELATING TO THE CHARTER REFERENDUM.

BE MOVED UP ON THE AGENDA TO BE CONSIDERED PRIOR TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.

SO MOVED. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

OKAY. IF ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE AGAIN ARE HERE FOR ITEMS FOUR, FIVE AND SIX, THESE ITEMS HAVE BEEN CONTINUED TO AUGUST 13TH AND WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED AT TONIGHT'S MEETING.

DID YOU SAY OKAY.

SO NOW WE'RE MOVING ON TO PUBLIC HEARINGS, NUMBER ONE.

NO, NO.

NEW BUSINESS. NEW BUSINESS.

NEW BUSINESS. WELL, AS YOU WERE.

[NEW BUSINESS:]

NEW BUSINESS, NUMBER ONE.

SO, GENTLEMEN, I JUST WANTED TO SHARE SOMETHING WITH YOU.

LET ME LET ME GET TO NEW BUSINESS HERE.

SO JUST A FEW THINGS THAT THAT HAVE COME TO MIND IN THE LAST TIME.

COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, YOU WERE ELOQUENT IN SAYING.

LISTEN WE WANTED TO LOOK AT AN IG OPPORTUNITY.

WE WANTED TO ALSO LOOK AT THE OPPORTUNITY OF REWORDING THE APPOINTMENT OF FOLKS THAT SIT ON THIS DAIS.

I PERSONALLY WOULD HAVE PREFERRED FOR IT TO GET WADE BACK THE WAY WE WERE DOING IT BEFORE THE NEW SYSTEM.

AND WE FOUND OUT THAT WE COULDN'T DO IT.

THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TIME.

SO I JUST WANT TO GO ON RECORD AS SAYING IN NEW BUSINESS ITEM NUMBER ONE THAT I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THIS.

AND THERE'S THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS FOR THAT.

RIGHT. THE VERY FIRST THING AND I KNOW YOU WEREN'T PART OF THAT.

SO I WANT TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON THAT.

VERY FIRST THING IS WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT ALL THE COSTS THAT ARE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, YOU GO TO THE GROCERY STORE, THE GAS, EVERYTHING IS COSTING SO MUCH MONEY, RIGHT? AND SO FOR US TO, TO TRY AND, AND JUST EVEN ASK OUR FOLKS TO, CAN YOU, CAN YOU FLIP THAT BILL WHEN WE COULD ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT? AND I ONE OF THE THINGS I, I PROMISE I DO WHEN I FIRST GOT ELECTED WAS TO ROLL UP MY SLEEVES AND SEE HOW WE CAN ACCOMPLISH IN INCREASING OUR PUBLIC SAFETY AND INCREASING ALL THESE AVENUES.

SO THERE IS A WAY WE COULD PIVOT AND TRY TO PUT THIS ON US AND NOT ON OUR TAXPAYERS.

SO BECAUSE OF THAT, BUT I WANT THE FOLKS TO UNDERSTAND AS WELL THAT EVEN THOUGH WE'RE ACTUALLY FEELING THE PINCH AT THE GROCERY STORES AND AND AT THE GAS PUMPS, EVERYTHING ELSE IS COSTING SO MUCH MONEY EVERY EVERY FIRE TRUCK, EVERY BUILDING, EVERY PARK TO RAISE UP AND AND AND DIRECT THESE BUILDINGS TO COME UP.

THEY'RE COSTING SO MUCH MORE THAN WHAT THEY USED TO.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WANT TO BE ON RECORD THAT WE'LL DISCUSS THIS ITEM, BUT I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING IT.

SO IF THERE'S ANY CONSENSUS HERE, WE COULD WITHDRAW THE ACTUAL REMOVAL OF THE BALLOT LANGUAGE

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DEDICATED TO PUBLIC SAFETY MILLAGE.

SO I'M LOOKING FOR THAT TYPE OF CONSENSUS.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO WITHDRAW.

ITEM NEW BUSINESS NUMBER ONE.

WELL, WELL, WELL, ACTUALLY, WE NEED PUBLIC COMMENTS FIRST.

YEAH, WELL, I DON'T THINK WE COULD DO THAT RIGHT NOW.

JUST JUST KNOW I'M ON BOARD.

MAYOR. YOU KNOW MY STANCE.

SO. SO I'VE GOT I'VE GOT I'VE GOT A I'VE GOT A CONSENSUS DEPUTY MAYOR, AS FAR AS REMOVING THE ITEM, REMOVING REMOVING THE PORTION OF THE DEDICATED PUBLIC SAFETY MILLAGE, THE THAT LANGUAGE.

NOW, THE ORDINANCE HAS TWO LANGUAGES, RIGHT? YOU'VE GOT THE ATTORNEY, AND THEN YOU GOT THE PUBLIC SAFETY MILLAGE.

BUT REMOVING THE PUBLIC SAFETY MILLAGE, THAT WOULD BE WHAT I, WHAT I WOULD SUPPORT.

SO JUST JUST SO I UNDERSTAND.

SO WHAT WE AGREED ON LAST WEEK, LAST MEETING.

I THINK THERE WAS SOME. THERE'S AN AGREEMENT TO PUT IT TO THE VOTER.

A LOT OF THE VOTER IN THAT GOOD WISDOM TO DECIDE, AS WE NORMALLY DO, FOR ANY TYPE OF CHARTER AMENDMENT.

SO WE WE DON'T WE'RE CHANGING OUR MIND.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES. YES, SIR.

OKAY. YES, SIR.

WHAT I'M WHAT I'M LOOKING TO DO.

I PERSONALLY THINK IT'S THE RIGHT DECISION TO TO GET ALL VOTERS INVOLVED, AS WE DO FOR ANYTHING ELSE, BUT CERTAINLY I WOULD KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS.

THAT'S WHERE I'M AT, MAYOR, I THINK A DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM.

THAT'S HOW IT SHOULD WORK, RIGHT? AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S NOT US IMPOSING.

YOU SIT EARLY IN YOUR OPEN STATEMENT AS WE ASKING THEM.

THAT'S RIGHT. WE ASKING THEM, ALLOW THEM IN THEIR GOOD JUDGMENT.

WE'RE IN A CRITICAL PATH.

WE ALL AGREED THAT.

YOU SAID IT VERY ELOQUENTLY, THAT IT'S SO CRITICAL THAT WE PROVIDE THAT SERVICE.

PART OF OUR RESPONSIBILITY ON THIS DAIS IS TO MAKE THOSE TOUGH DECISIONS.

I'M SORRY. I WAS JUST HAVING A HARD TIME WITH MY VOICE.

BUT THE REALITY OF THE MATTER IS IT'S WE'RE LEANING ON THEM TO TELL US WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

HOW CAN THEY ASSIST US FACE THIS CHALLENGING TIME? TO ME, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE ALL ACKNOWLEDGE IT.

WE CANNOT PUT A PRICE.

IT'S SO CRITICAL OR RESPONSE TIME.

IT'S OUT OF CONTROL.

BOTH POLICE AND FIRE.

SOMETHING MUST BE DONE.

AND THIS IS ONE AVENUE WE RELYING ON THEM TO TO TO GUIDE US.

I'M NOT QUITE SURE, BUT BUT THAT'S OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A DECISION.

THAT'S YOU GUYS DECISION.

BUT I WOULD STAND ON PUTTING IN THEIR HAND TO HELP US, TO HELP GUIDE US, YOU KNOW, DECISIONS.

SO AND I APPRECIATE YOUR YOUR FEEDBACK ON THAT.

DEPUTY MAYOR, WHERE WHERE I, I'M HAVING THE WE ARE IT IS CRITICAL.

RIGHT. AND SO WITH THAT I THINK WE COULD PIVOT.

WE'VE GOT DEBT SERVICES COMING THAT ARE COMING OFF RIGHT.

SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE STATION NUMBER SEVEN.

AND THIS IS ALL JUST PART OF THE DISCUSSION.

WE HAVE STATION NUMBER SEVEN THAT'S ALREADY IN PLAY.

SO WITH THAT DEBT SERVICES WE MIGHT BE ABLE IN LOOKING AT IT, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO HAVE MAINTAIN THAT DEBT SERVICES, BUT BE ABLE TO BORROW AND GET TO FIRE STATIONS THAT ARE CRITICALLY NEEDED.

WE'VE ALSO ADDED ENOUGH POLICE AND FIRE.

SO LET'S TAKE THIS STEP.

BUT I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU.

YOU'RE SPOT ON.

THE DIFFERENCE IS, BACK IN IN THE 90S, YOU'VE HEARD ME MENTION THESE VISION BOARDS.

AND IN THOSE VISION BOARDS, PEOPLE CAME TO THIS DAIS.

OF COURSE, WE WEREN'T ON THERE.

PEOPLE CAME TO THIS DAIS WITH A VISION OF WHERE WE SHOULD GO.

AND PART OF THAT BOARD IS EVERYONE PARTICIPATING, AND THEY WERE THE ONES THAT WERE DIRECTING US.

THIS IS WHAT WE NEED.

I THINK MAYBE WE TAKE A STEP BACK, ALLOW THAT TO PROGRESS.

IN THE MEANTIME, WE PUT UP STATIONS, PUT UP TWO STATIONS, CONTINUE TO HAVE WORKSHOPS AND SEE WHERE WE CAN GO TIGHTEN OURSELVES UP BEFORE WE EVEN MOVE FORWARD.

BUT YOU'RE SPOT ON.

WE CAN.

AND WE NEED THOSE FIRE STATIONS.

WE REALLY DO. THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GOING TO REDUCE SOME TIMES.

SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS ON THAT.

I DO HAVE A CONSENSUS.

SO I THINK ARE WE GOOD? I KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD.

BUT YOU WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE.

ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT, SIR.

SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE ON ITEM.

YEAH WE WE'RE ON ITEM NEW BUSINESS NUMBER ONE.

AND NOW WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS.

WHAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED IS REMOVING THE LANGUAGE OF THAT DEDICATED PUBLIC SAFETY MILLAGE.

THAT'S THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED.

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AND RIGHT NOW WE HAVE CONSENSUS FOR THAT.

SO DEPUTY MAYOR.

YES, MAYOR. MR. JOHN MAGEE.

THANK YOU. JOHN MCGEE.

1991 THORNWOOD DRIVE, BAYSIDE LAKES.

I WANT TO BE VERY BRIEF, BUT I SUPPORT THE FIRE AND THE POLICE AND THE EXPANSION AND THE THE MATERIALS AND THE RESOURCES THAT OUR AGENCIES NEED.

PALM BAY IS GROWING AT A FAST RATE.

AND OUR PUBLIC SAFETY UTILITIES OR AGENCIES ARE NOT KEEPING UP WITH THE DEMAND.

WE'RE SEEING MORE CRIME, MORE ACCIDENTS, MORE TRAFFIC, MORE FIRES.

SO FROM MY STANDPOINT OF HAVING WORKED OVER 20 YEARS WITH PUBLIC SAFETY AGENCIES AROUND THE WORLD, I KNOW THAT THE DEMAND ON THOSE AGENCIES IS CRITICAL TO THE LIFE OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THIS CITY.

WE CANNOT CONTINUE, HOWEVER, TO HAVE THIS OUT OF CONTROL GROWTH BECAUSE WE WILL CONSTANTLY BE PLAYING CATCH UP WITH OUR PUBLIC SAFETY AGENCIES IF WE CONTINUE TO BUILD AS WE ARE.

SO I'M ASKING THE CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER PUTTING A MORATORIUM ON ALL NEW PROJECT DEVELOPMENTS, ESPECIALLY HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS, FOR AT LEAST TWO YEARS, MAYBE THREE TO WE CAN DECIDE HOW WE ARE GOING TO APPROACH OUR PUBLIC SAFETY RESOURCES GOING FORWARD AND GET THE NUMBER OF POLICE OFFICERS, FIRE OFFICERS AND PROVIDE THEM THE PAY SO THEY WON'T GET TRAINED HERE, AND THEN GO SOMEPLACE ELSE AND SERVE.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CITY DEVELOP.

WHAT IS THE TOTAL COST OF THIS GOING TO LOOK LIKE OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS? HOW MANY POLICE OFFICERS DO WE NEED? HOW MUCH? HOW MANY FIRE OFFICERS DO WE HOW MANY STATIONS DO WE NEED FOR POLICE? HOW MANY AUTOMOBILES, VEHICLES AND OTHER TRAINING THAT GOES INTO THIS? AND LET'S DEVELOP A PUBLIC SAFETY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

BUT IN ORDER TO DO THAT, YOU'VE GOT TO PUT A HALT TO THIS MASSIVE OUT OF CONTROL BUILDING, BECAUSE WE WILL NEVER CATCH UP WITH THE DEMANDS OF PUBLIC SAFETY. WE CONTINUE TO BUILD THE WAY WE'RE BUILDING.

SO THE CITY HAS HAD SOME ISSUES IN THE PAST WITH THE CONFIDENCE OF THE CITIZENS AND HOW YOU'RE SPENDING YOUR MONEY AND WHAT COST OVERRUNS HAVE BEEN INCURRED ON PROJECTS.

AND I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A PUBLIC SAFETY AUDIT OR A FORENSIC AUDIT THAT HAD BEEN APPROVED, BUT IT WAS NOT FUNDED.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN AUDIT OF THE CITY'S FINANCES FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS, AND LET'S FIND OUT.

WHERE ARE WE? WHAT ARE WE SPENDING? WHAT CAN BE CUT? AND THEN, LIKE MR. JOHNSON SAID, MAYBE.

AND THE MAYOR SAID MAYBE THERE'S A WAY THAT WE CAN FUND THESE THINGS IN LONG TERM LOANS, LONG TERM PROJECT DEVELOPMENT, LONG TERM BOND REFERENDUMS AND AND CATCH UP WITH OUR PUBLIC SAFETY RESOURCES.

BUT IF WE CONTINUE TO BUILD THE WAY WE'RE BUILDING, WE'RE NEVER GOING TO CATCH UP.

IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.

WE'LL JUST BUILD AND BUILD AND BUILD AND WE'LL HAVE MORE POLICE AND MORE FIRE REQUIREMENTS.

AND YET WE WON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO DO IT.

SO WE HAVE A CHANCE HERE TO TAKE A PAUSE AND KIND OF LOOK AT WHERE ARE WE GOING WITH ALL OF THIS? I SUPPORT PUBLIC SAFETY 1,000%.

THAT WAS MY LIFE. WE'VE SEEN CITIES WHERE THEY'VE CUT FUNDING FOR POLICE AND FIRE, AND IT NEVER WORKS OUT VERY WELL.

THANK YOU, MR. MCGEE. JUST SO THAT, YOU KNOW WE WE HAVE DONE STUDIES ON IMPACT FEES, AND WE'VE RECOGNIZED TRANSPORTATION WISE HAS BEEN OVER 12 YEARS.

WE HAD THAT STUDY JUST RECENTLY AND AND YOU'RE YOU'RE SPOT ON.

THAT'S THAT'S A WAY THAT YOU COULD KEEP UP WITH THAT GROWTH.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO AS WELL.

WE DISCUSSED THAT LAST LAST MEETING.

NEXT SPEAKER, MR. BALABAN. BATTEN. BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST. FIRST, I COMMEND YOU FOR YOUR PULLING OF THE PHASE OF THE TWO MILLAGE RATE RATE.

I COMMEND YOU FOR THAT.

I ALSO RECOMMEND APPROVAL, THOUGH, FOR THE SECOND PORTION, WHICH WAS A GIVEN THE ATTORNEYS THE POWER THAT THEY NEED.

SO I APPROVE THAT PART OF THE OF THE READING.

AND TO SUMMARIZE WHAT I WAS GOING TO TALK TO YOU ON, SINCE YOU'RE NOT DOING IT, I DON'T NEED TO GO THROUGH MY WHOLE SPIEL AND TAKE LONGER TIME, BUT THERE'S A COUPLE OF IMPORTANT SUBTITLES THAT ARE THERE.

I AGREE THAT THE SOLUTION TO THIS PROBLEM WAS STOP THE GROWTH THAT DOES NOT EQUAL THE SAFETY CAPACITY.

WE KNOW WHAT WE HAVE TO HAVE, BUT WE'RE WE'RE ALREADY EXCEEDING THAT.

SO YOU NEED TO STOP THE GROWTH THAT'S ALLOWING THIS TO PUT US OUT OF OUT OF BALANCE.

THAT'S NUMBER ONE, RIGHT? POLICE, FIRE AND INFRASTRUCTURE ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE BOARD.

THOSE ARE THE THREE THINGS THAT YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE OR POLICE, FIRE AND INFRASTRUCTURE.

THAT'S THE ONLY THING YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR.

EXCUSE ME. YOU BROUGHT UP THE FACT OF IMPACT FEES.

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WELL BILL BATTEN BEING THE IDIOT THAT HE IS, HE WENT AND LOOKED AT IMPACT FEES, $300 IMPACT FEES FOR POLICE, $600 FOR IMPACT FEES FOR FIRE.

BUT HERE'S THE REAL CLINCHER WHERE YOU PUT THE WRONG PRIORITIES.

$1,300 FOR PARKS AND RECREATION UNDER IMPACT FEES.

THE THOSE SHOULD BE 100% REVERSED.

IT SHOULD BE YOUR SAFETY AS YOUR PRIORITY, NOT YOUR ENTERTAINMENT AS YOUR PRIORITY.

SLOW THE GROWTH.

LOOK AT YOUR IMPACT FEES AND GET YOUR PRIORITIES CORRECT.

PARKS AND RECREATIONS IS NOT THE HIGH PRIORITY OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WELL, THANK YOU, MR. BATTEN.

MASTER CHIEF, AS YOU KNOW, OUR TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES HAS BEEN OVER 12 YEARS FROM THAT LAST PRESENTATION.

CARRY ON. MR..

MICHAEL BOYETTE.

MICHAEL J. MORIARTY.

742 CORNELIA AVENUE, PALM BAY, 32909.

MINE IS JUST A QUESTION.

THE PROPERTY TAX RAISES HERE.

THE PROPOSAL THAT WAS PUT ON THE TABLE WAS SET AT TWO MILL.

I BELIEVE THE TWO MILL VERSUS THE PALM BAY CHARTER.

THE 3% RAISE WAS THE ANNUAL THAT YOU COULD GO.

BUT THERE'S ANOTHER THERE'S ANOTHER COMPONENT HERE AND COLLECTING TAXES HERE.

WHAT ABOUT BUILDER IMPACT FEES? DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THE BUILDERS ARE PAYING ENOUGH.

IF THEY WANT TO KEEP PILING HOUSES INTO PALM BAY WITH NO RESOURCES.

CAN WE GET ANY CLARIFICATION FOR THE PUBLIC? THAT'S. THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING.

THANK YOU. I THINK WE JUST SPOKE ON IMPACT FEES AND AND THE POSSIBILITY OF WE JUST HAD A STUDY REGARDING IMPACT FEES. SO GO AHEAD, MAYOR.

WE WE JUST SPOKE ABOUT TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES IN PARTICULAR.

IT'S BEEN 12 YEARS SINCE THAT'S EVEN BEFORE COUNCILMAN JOHNSON SAID ON THIS DAIS.

SO THOSE THINGS ARE BEING LOOKED AT, AND WE'RE WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION.

THIS THE STUDY HAS TAKEN SO LONG, WHEN I SUGGESTED THAT WHAT WAS IT TWO YEARS AGO OR SO, JUST A LITTLE OVER TWO YEARS, AND NOW IS WHEN THAT STUDY HAS BEEN COMPLETED.

SO NOW WE'RE ABOUT TO BE IMPLEMENTED.

IDEALLY THAT'S THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE WE'RE GOING NEXT.

SPEAKER. MR. KEARNS. GOOD EVENING.

COUNSEL DAVID KEARNS, 668 DUNBARTON CIRCLE, NORTHEAST PALM BAY.

I APPLAUD YOU FOR THE DECISION TO PULL THIS AT THIS TIME.

I SUSPECT IN ELECTION SEASON YOU GOT A LOT OF FEEDBACK ABOUT MORE TAXES, AND THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE.

I WAS JUST ON PORT MALABAR BOULEVARD YESTERDAY PUTTING SIGNS OUT, AND THERE WAS A STREAM OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, GETTING FREE MEALS FROM THE SECOND HARVEST FOOD BANK.

THERE WAS. AND I ASKED THE LADY, SHE SAID, LIKE 200 PEOPLE PER DAY ARE GETTING.

SO I MEAN, THESE ARE OUR NEIGHBORS AND THEY'RE FEELING THE PINCH AND IT'S TIGHT.

IT'S VERY TIGHT RIGHT NOW.

THEY'RE ALL LIKE THIS.

AND WE ALSO HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT PROPERTY INSURANCE RIGHT NOW IS AT OUR THROATS AS WELL.

MY PROPERTY INSURANCE IS IS TRIPLED IN FOUR YEARS.

IT'S CRAZY.

SO THIS IS A GOOD DECISION TO PULL IT AND MOVE IT TO A DIFFERENT TIME PERIOD.

HOPEFULLY WHEN WE HAVE FIVE MEMBERS ON THE COUNCIL THIS TIME.

AND THERE'S ANOTHER THING I NOTICED TOO IS, IS THAT THE, THE, THE TIMES THAT WERE REFERENCED IN THE LAST MEETING, THE RESPONSE TIMES, THE 18, 19 MINUTES, I STARTED DRIVING DOWN TO THE SOUTH END OF THE CITY, AND I WAS JUST AMAZED AT THE ANNEXATIONS THAT HAD TAKEN PLACE SINCE I WAS MORE ACTIVE HERE.

AND NOW WE'RE WE'RE ANNEXING RIGHT UP AGAINST BAREFOOT BAY, AND I DON'T SEE ANY HOUSES ON THESE ON THESE NEW AREAS THAT WE'VE ANNEXED.

IT'S IT'S HUGE.

THE ANNEXATIONS, I THINK, WERE HIGHLY IRRESPONSIBLE FROM THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL AND WERE RESULT OF SOME BACKROOM DEALS GOING ON.

I MEAN, IT WAS ALL OVER THE NEWS, SOME OF THE STUFF THAT WAS GOING ON, IT WAS KIND OF DISGRACEFUL.

AND I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S A WAY THAT WE CAN LOOK AT POSSIBLY DE ANNEXING SOME OF THAT TERRITORY SO THAT WE HAVE A MORE REALISTIC IDEA OF WHAT ACTUAL RESPONSE TIMES ARE TO POPULATION CENTERS TO REAL AREAS WHERE PEOPLE LIVE.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A POSSIBILITY TO DE-ANNEX SOMETHING THAT IS NOT BECAUSE THERE'S LOTS OF TERRITORY DOWN THERE THAT'S JUST OPEN SPACE.

I KNOW PALM BAY IS CROWDED UP HERE, BUT THE PLANNING FOR THESE DEVELOPMENTS THAT WENT DURING THAT PERIOD JUST WAS IRRESPONSIBLE.

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SO THAT'S MY QUESTION AND THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER.

MAYOR, WOULD YOU WANT MISS SHERMAN TO WEIGH IN ON THE QUESTION ON THE ANNEXATION? USUALLY THAT'S THE STATE, BUT CARRY ON, MA'AM.

YEAH. TYPICALLY THE ANNEXATION PROCESS.

WOULD BE A PROPERTY OWNER REQUESTING THE ANNEXATION.

I WOULD HAVE TO CONSULT THE CITY ATTORNEY ABOUT ANY PROCESSES TO.

FOR A COUNCIL TO DECIDE TO DE-ANNEX.

SO EXACTLY AS THE CITY MANAGER INDICATED, IT'S KIND OF REVERSE OF WHAT HAPPENS.

NORMALLY WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO ANNEX IN.

SO IN ORDER FOR US, WE COULD ANNEX THEM, BUT IF THEY DON'T WANT TO GO, THEN THEY'RE GOING TO STILL REMAIN A PART OF THE CITY.

AND THEN AND TO THE THE ARGUMENT OF THE INSURANCE, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE.

OUR HOMEOWNERS INSURANCE IS IS WAY UP THERE.

AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT YOU KNOW, THE TAX IS IT JUST COMES IN THERE ONE, ONE BILL YOUR MORTGAGE PAYMENT, THAT ESCROW COMES ALL IN ONE BILL.

SO SOMETIMES IT'S HARD TO DIFFERENTIATE.

WHAT'S THE PROPERTY TAX? WHAT'S THE HOMEOWNERS INSURANCE SOMETIMES.

BUT THAT IT'S JUST A BIG CHUNK.

SO I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

BUT THAT IS A STATE STATE ISSUE.

AND IDEALLY THE LEGISLATORS WILL TAKE THAT ON THIS YEAR.

I KNOW THAT THERE WAS SOME FEEDBACK WITH THAT.

CARRY ON. DEPUTY MAYOR MR..

MIKE HAMMER.

HOW'S IT GOING? MIKE HAMMER, 874 UNDERHILL PALM BAY 32909.

FIRST THING I WANT TO DO IS SAY THANK YOU, ROB MEDINA, FOR STEPPING UP AND BEING HERE FOR THE PEOPLE.

THE FIRST THING THAT I WANT TO SAY IS I.

I'M GLAD THAT YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AT YOURSELF TO MAKE CUTS INSTEAD OF EXPECTING US TO MAKE CUTS.

THAT REALLY MEANS A LOT.

BUT I ALSO WANT TO SAY, AS I DON'T WANT TO PUT THIS DOWN, I WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION.

I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE A WORKSHOP ON THIS, BECAUSE IF EVERYTHING IS AS BAD AS IT IS, WE NEED TO ADDRESS IT RIGHT NOW.

I THINK IF WE HAVE A WORKSHOP AND WE TRY TO FIND A WAY, RIGHT NOW IS THE SMARTEST THING WE CAN POSSIBLY DO BECAUSE THIS IS 18 MINUTES IS UNACCEPTABLE.

I USED TO BE A FIREFIGHTER AND I HAVE FAMILY.

THAT'S POLICE OFFICERS.

AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THAT IS IT'S LIFE AND DEATH, ACTUALLY.

THE OTHER THING ALSO WHEN IT COMES TO THAT IS IMPACT FEES ON THERE.

THERE'S A LOT OF PLACES AROUND OR A LOT OF MUNICIPALITIES THAT ARE IN SITUATIONS LIKE THIS.

WHAT THEY DO IS THEY WORK WITH THEIR DEVELOPERS AND THEY GET THE IMPACT FEES UP FRONT BEFORE THE DEVELOPMENT IS ACTUALLY MADE.

SO YOUR POLICE AND FIRE STATIONS ARE BUILT BEFORE THE HOUSES ARE IN.

SO THAT'S ACTUALLY AN OPTION THAT CAN BE WAIVED.

WEIGHED ESPECIALLY THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ADDRESSED IN 12 YEARS.

I THINK WE NEED WE NEED SOME DISCUSSION ON THAT.

THE OTHER THING I DO APPROVE ON THE ATTORNEY BEING ABLE TO TO HIRE HIS OWN PEOPLE WITHIN.

I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT SOMEBODY EXPERIENCED IN THAT POSITION SHOULD HAVE A SAY IN WHAT GOES ON IN THERE.

BUT WITH ADDRESSING THAT, I THINK IT SHOULD BE DONE CITYWIDE.

I THINK IF UTILITIES WANTS TO HIRE SOMEBODY, UTILITIES HANDLES IT.

I THINK IF PUBLIC WORKS WANTS TO HANDLE OR YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO HIRE SOMEBODY, PUBLIC WORKS DOES IT, THEN THEY ADDRESS HR AND OTHER STAFF WITH IT.

BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO LET ONE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GOING TO LET ONE DEPARTMENT CHOOSE, WE NEED TO LET THEM ALL.

AND I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BRING A LOT MORE EXPERIENCED PEOPLE IN HERE.

WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN IN THE FIELD ALL DAY LONG PICKING WHO THEIR BOSS IS GOING TO BE, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE A VERY IMPORTANT THING.

AND I HAVE OTHER THINGS, BUT I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME.

I AM ALSO GOING TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE CANDIDATES SPEAKING AT THE CHURCH THE HOUSE, CHURCH THERE IN PALM BAY ON SATURDAY.

ANYBODY WANTS TO COME? YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

NEXT SPEAKER. PASTOR DELGADO.

KEN DELGADO, 154 ANGELO ROAD, SOUTHEAST PALM BAY.

I'M SORRY. I'M STILL DOWN UNDER IN AUSTRALIA, SO I'M GETTING MY ES EASTERN STANDARD TIME UP TO DATE.

PRAISE GOD. I'D LIKE TO JUST SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS.

I'M GOING TO LOOK AT THIS ON THE SPIRITUAL SIDE, IF I MAY, JUST BECAUSE I'M A PASTOR AND THAT'S JUST WHAT I DO.

BACK IN SAMUEL GOD, GOD WAS SPEAKING TO THE PEOPLE WHO WANTED A KING, AND THEY SAID DON'T.

HE SAID TO THEM, DON'T GET A KING.

IF YOU GET A KING HE SAYS HE'S GOING TO HE'S GOING TO TAKE THE BEST OF YOUR FIELDS, YOUR VINEYARDS, YOUR OLIVE GROVES.

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HE'S GOING TO GIVE THEM TO YOUR COURTIERS.

HE'S GOING TO TAKE A 10TH OF YOUR GRAINS AND YOUR VINTAGE, AND IT'S GOING TO GIVE IT TO YOU, HIS, HIS OFFICIALS.

HE GOES ON TO SAY HE'LL ALSO TAKE A 10TH OF YOUR FLOCKS.

AND SO WE SEE THAT THE DANGER OF OF THAT CAN BE IS THAT THOSE IN AUTHORITY WANT TO PICK SOMEONE ELSE'S POCKET.

AND THIS TIME, AS SOMEONE ELSE SAID, IF, IF, IF THERE ARE DIFFICULTIES IN CUSTODY, WE NEED TO BE MADE.

DON'T YOU KNOW THAT EVERY PERSON IN PALM BAY IS ALREADY MAKING CUTS IN THEIR OWN BUDGET TO TRY TO MEET THE NEEDS THAT THEY HAVE FOR THEIR OWN FAMILIES? IT'S NOT ONE WAY.

IT GOES BOTH WAYS.

IF YOU'RE IN DIFFICULTY, JUST KNOW YOU'RE A REPRESENTATION OF THE PEOPLE.

IT'S BECAUSE THE PEOPLE ARE IN DIFFICULTY.

WHEN THERE'S PROSPERITY, THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY.

WHEN THERE'S TIGHTNESS, IT'S IT'S EVERYBODY.

AND SO DON'T DEMAND OF US WHAT YOU DON'T DO AND DEMAND OF YOURSELVES.

I WOULD GO ALONG THOSE OTHER LINES, BUT WHAT OTHER ANSWERS DO WE HAVE? SPIRITUAL. HOW ABOUT PRAY FOR MULTIPLICATION? HOW ABOUT PRAY? I SAY, WHY PRAY? LISTEN SOME TIME AGO, WE WE MY WIFE WAS MOWING THE LAWN.

AND YES, SHE MOWS THE LAWN.

WON'T GO INTO THAT, BUT.

BUT WHILE SHE'S MOWING, SHE SAID, SHE SAID, LORD I COULD USE SOME PAPERS AND WE COULD BUY THEM RIGHT NOW, BUT SOMEWHERE ON THE BEACH SIDE, THERE'S PROBABLY SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T WANT THEIR PAPERS ANYMORE.

TWO WEEKS LATER, SOMEONE SENDS HER SOME PICTURES AND SAID, HEY BETSY, DO YOU KNOW ANYONE WHO NEEDS PAPERS? AND DON'T YOU KNOW THE EXACT AMOUNT IT NEEDED TO PAVE ALL OUR LITTLE FLOWER AREAS? LOOK WHAT PRAYER CAN DO.

HOW ABOUT PRAYER FOR.

HEY, LORD, GIVE US WISDOM TO KNOW WHAT TO BUY.

DON'T YOU KNOW THAT WE JUST BOUGHT FOUR TOILETS FOR OUR CHURCH AT THE HOUSE WHERE WE'RE GOING TO INTERVIEW THE CANDIDATES SO WE KNOW WHO'S WHO'S VOTING? AND DON'T YOU KNOW THAT WHEN WE WENT TO LOOK FOR THOSE TOILETS, THEY WERE ALL ON SALE, AND WE GOT IT FOR LESS THAN THE AVERAGE PRICE.

WHAT IF YOU STARTED PRAYING AND SAYING, GOD, MULTIPLY WHAT WE HAVE AND SHOW US WHERE WE CAN DO AND WHEN WE DO HAVE TO BUY SOMETHING, GIVE US SOME FAVOR WHERE WE CAN FIND THE SAME THING FOR LESS.

AND WATCH WHAT GOD CAN DO VERSUS WHAT WE CAN DO.

THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER, MR. STICE. GOOD EVENING.

ROBERT STICE, STILES, 1796 LINDBERGH DRIVE, SOUTHEAST MAIER.

YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.

FOOD HAS GONE UP.

GAS HAS GONE UP.

HOME. HOME MAINTENANCE GOODS GONE UP.

I DON'T EVEN GO OUT TO EAT ANYMORE.

OKAY. AND YOU TALK ABOUT NOT ONLY QUALITY AND SERVICE.

THIS IS THE WORST ECONOMY IN OVER 30 YEARS.

OKAY, WE NEED TO START LOOKING AND START SPENDING WHAT WE HAVE.

I MENTIONED THAT SEVERAL TIMES BEFORE ON THIS MILL RATE.

I'M LOOKING AT WHAT MY HOUSE IS WORTH.

IT WOULD COST ME ABOUT $600 IF WE WENT THAT DIRECTION.

WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? I ALREADY SPENT $600.

MY AUTO INSURANCE WENT UP $300, MY HOMEOWNER'S INSURANCE WENT UP $300.

AND I'M NOT GOING TO HAND YOU MY WALLET.

OKAY, THAT'S ENOUGH FOR US.

LISTEN, AS THE PASTOR WOULD SAY, LISTEN TO THE CRY OF THE PEOPLE.

THEY'VE HAD ENOUGH.

I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO GET INTO THE TRAFFIC.

DEPUTY MAYOR, YOU AND I HAVE CHATTED WITH TRAFFIC.

CHATTED ABOUT TRAFFIC BEFORE.

WHEN? IT TAKES 25 MINUTES TO GO FROM, YOU KNOW, BABCOCK ALL THE WAY TO THE HIGHWAY.

IT'S INSANE.

YOU UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEM? YOU UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEM.

BUT YOUR PROPOSED SOLUTION IS UNACCEPTABLE.

AND, YOU KNOW, NOT SUSTAINABLE.

ARE YOU HEARING THE FOLKS? ARE YOU HEARING THE FOLKS? ARE YOU HEARING THE FOLKS? I GET AN EARFUL JUST WALKING DOWN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I GET AN EARFUL WHEN I BUMP, BOUNCE INTO, BUMP INTO PEOPLE.

WHETHER IT'S PUBLIX OR OR LOWES OR BJ'S OR WHATNOT, THEY'RE ALL SINGING THE SAME THING.

WHEN IS IT GOING TO STOP? YOU KNOW, HOW CAN YOU HAVE AN 18 TO 20 MINUTE RESPONSE TIME FOR FIRE? YOU'RE PUTTING YOUR FELLOW RESIDENTS IN INHERENT DANGER.

OKAY, THAT'S GOT TO BE UNACCEPTABLE.

UNACCEPTABLE FOR ANYBODY WHO WORKS AT THE CITY.

HOW DO YOU SOLVE THAT? THERE'S A COUPLE IDEAS GOING ON WITH THAT, BUT YOU JUST CAN'T SAY, WELL, WE'RE WORKING ON IT.

THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT ONE FIRE THAT WE HAD WHERE RAINED ON STARTED BY, YOU KNOW, A LIGHTNING STORM.

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LIKE I SAID, THE PREVIOUS TWO YEARS AGO, THE PREVIOUS FIRE CHIEF SAID YOUR HOUSE IS ENGULFED IN EIGHT MINUTES.

WHAT HAPPENS IN 20 MINUTES? HOW MANY HOUSES ARE AFLAME? HOW MANY FATALITIES ARE MAJOR INJURIES THAN WE HAVE? SO PLEASE CONSIDER THIS.

THIS IS JUST YOU HAVE SOME GREAT SPEAKERS.

UP HERE TODAY TALKING ABOUT FACTS, TALKING ABOUT REALITY, TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE'S LIVES.

EVERYBODY IS HOLDING THINGS CLOSE TO THE VEST.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING OUT UNLESS UNLESS YOU HAVE TO.

BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE USING THEIR VISA CARDS TO MAKE HOUSE PAYMENTS TO BUY FOOD.

OKAY, NOW'S THE TIME TO HUNKER DOWN AND WORK WITH WHAT WE HAVE, OKAY? AND TRY TO IMPROVE OUR QUALITY OF LIFE.

BECAUSE THINKING THAT WE CAN SOLVE EVERYTHING ON IMPACT FEES IS NOT REALITY.

THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER.

MISS LAUREN BROOME.

LAUREN BROOME, 2613 TENNYSON AVENUE, SOUTHEAST PALM BAY, FLORIDA.

32909. AND I CAME UP HERE SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE I DO HAVE A FAMILY AND I'VE LIVED IN THIS CITY FOR 40 YEARS.

AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE TO TALK TO YOU GUYS.

YOU'RE ADDING ANOTHER THING ON TOP OF EVERYTHING ELSE THAT US FAMILIES LIVING HERE, WE'RE ALL MIDDLE CLASS, WORKING VERY HARD.

I DON'T KNOW IF STATE AGENCIES AND CITY AGENCIES KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

THERE'S A BIG DISCONNECT BETWEEN ALL OF YOU.

LIKE I'M ON SEPTIC.

YOU MANDATED THAT WHENEVER YOU FEEL TO TELL ME I'M CONNECTING THE SEWER, I HAVE TO PAY CONNECTION FEES FOR WATER AND SEWER.

WELL, BY 2030, I HAVE TO UPGRADE MY SEPTIC SYSTEM TO THE NEW SYSTEM BECAUSE I HAVE THE OLD SYSTEM THAT'S GOING TO COST ME 25,000.

SAY YOU COME BY IN FIVE YEARS AND TELL ME SEWER IS AVAILABLE.

YOU GOT TO CONNECT NOW.

I JUST WASTED $25,000 UPGRADE A SEPTIC SYSTEM FOR STATE GOVERNMENT.

AND NOW I GOT LOCAL GOVERNMENT AT THE CITY LEVEL, ADDING ANOTHER FEE.

PLUS, I GOT HOMEOWNERS INSURANCE DOWN MY BACK.

HAVING ME TO SPEND 25 $30,000 EVERY 15 YEARS TO REPLACE MY ROOF OR MY HOT WATER HEATER OR WHATEVER ELSE THEY DEEM.

HOW AM I GOING TO RETIRE IN THIS CITY DOWN THE ROAD? I HAVE THREE KIDS, AND IT'S BAD ENOUGH THAT MY 20 YEAR OLD REALIZES SHE'S NOT GOING TO MOVE OUT OF MY HOUSE UNTIL SHE'S IN HER 30S.

SHE'S GOING TO BE A TEACHER IN THIS CITY, AND SHE CAN'T EVEN QUALIFY TO RENT A $1,500 APARTMENT IN THE CITY, QUALIFY FOR A LEASE.

I WOULD HAVE TO COSIGN.

AND SHE HAS A BACHELOR'S DEGREE.

SHE'S GOING TO GRADUATE IN DECEMBER FROM UCF.

LIVES HERE, BORN HERE.

HOW IS SHE GOING TO LIVE IN THIS CITY IF THERE'S NOT AFFORDABLE LIVING FOR A TEACHER? IF WE START TAKING TEACHERS AND WE MAKE IT UNAFFORDABLE FOR THEM TO LIVE HERE, THEY DON'T NEED TO BE MARRIED.

WE DON'T NEED PEOPLE TO BE MARRIED.

TO BE ABLE TO PAY FOR SOMETHING.

A TEACHER SHOULD BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO LIVE HERE.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY AFFORDABLE LIVING.

EVERY APARTMENT COMPLEX GOING UP IS LUXURY APARTMENTS.

SHE CAN'T AFFORD THAT.

WE NEED SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN AFFORD THAT'S GOING TO BE AFFORDABLE LIVING.

SO YOU'VE GOT TO LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH AT THIS END.

YOU ADD NOW 3%.

THEY'VE ALREADY MENTIONED I'VE GOT FOUR CARS AT MY HOUSE.

DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I SPEND A YEAR ON CAR INSURANCE? TEN GRAND.

OKAY. IT'S $1,374 EVERY SIX MONTHS FOR A 16 YEAR OLD TO DRIVE NOW.

OKAY. AND I SHOP IT AROUND.

I SHOP EVERYTHING AROUND.

I'M DREADING MY MY HOMEOWNER'S INSURANCE COMING IN.

OKAY. I CAN'T KEEP BEING NICKELED AND DIMED FROM STATE, COUNTY, CITY AND THIS COMPANY AND THAT COMPANY, THAT STOCK MARKET RIGHT NOW IS AT 40,000 BECAUSE IT'S A BAROMETER OF RICH PEOPLE, NOT US MIDDLE CLASS.

SO I HOPE YOU THINK ABOUT THAT WHEN YOU GUYS VOTE ON THIS, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO WERE YOU GOING TO BE CALIFORNIA AND WE'RE ALL HOMELESS AND YOU'RE GOING TO GET RID OF HOMELESS ENCAMPMENTS BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT MORE HOMELESS HERE.

WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO DO WHEN THAT HAPPENS? SO YOU GUYS GOTTA REALLY THINK ABOUT HOW YOU DID.

YOU DID YOU SEE THAT WE'RE REMOVING THAT THAT THAT'S GOING TO THAT WAS PART OF THE DISCUSSION EARLY ON.

BUT TO YOUR POINT, WHEN IT COMES TO THOSE AEROBIC SEPTIC SYSTEMS, WE ARE WORKING WITH THE STATE BECAUSE OF THAT MANDATE.

THEY WANTED US TO MANDATE TO HOOK UP TO TO SEWER.

YEAH. BY 2030, WE HAVE TO UPGRADE TO AN AEROBIC SYSTEM.

AND IT'S $25,000.

MA'AM, CAN I CAN I JUST SHARE WITH YOU WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THAT? WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE STATE BECAUSE THAT'S AN IMPOSSIBLE, IMPOSSIBLE FEAT FOR US TO SWITCH FROM OUR SEPTIC SYSTEMS TO THE AEROBIC SYSTEMS. AND AND WE CONTINUE.

I KNOW THAT DEPUTY MAYOR, MYSELF, THE CITY MANAGER, THAT WAS THE NUMBER ONE ITEM ON OUR AGENDA WHEN WE WENT TO TALLAHASSEE.

AND THEY'LL HEAR IT FROM US AGAIN.

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WE ARE NOT ONE OF THESE CITIES THAT WAS FOUNDED ON BUILDING THAT INFRASTRUCTURE FIRST.

SO THERE'S SEVERAL IN OUR SPRAWL THAT IS AFFECTING SO MANY OF US, AND WE'RE ONLY 64 YEARS OLD.

SO WE. WE HEAR YOU.

WE WILL WAY AHEAD OF THIS.

AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO FIGHT THIS BECAUSE IT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE JUST CAN'T OBTAIN.

I DON'T HAVE THEM. I'M JUST GOING TO SAY I DON'T HAVE THE MONEY FOR ALL THAT WHILE TRYING TO GET THROUGH.

I HAVE A 2016 AND A SEVEN YEAR OLD TRYING TO GET THROUGH EVERYTHING ELSE.

IT'S AN IMPOSSIBILITY THAT I'M GOING TO BE LIVING IN A CARDBOARD BOX, BECAUSE I WON'T BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO RETIRE HERE.

I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THAT, BUT THANK YOU.

I WILL BE, BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN AFFORD EVERYTHING THAT YOU KEEP MANDATING ON US.

MA'AM. YES, MA'AM.

THANK YOU. THIS COMPLETES OUR PUBLIC COMMENTS.

SO. SO, GENTLEMEN, I AND I JUST WANT TO TOUCH BASE LIKE I BEGAN.

WE COULD START WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE PROPOSED BALLOT LANGUAGE CONCERNING THE DEDICATED PUBLIC SAFETY MILLAGE, AND TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROPOSED BALLOT LANGUAGE RELATING TO THE HIRING OF THE ASSISTANT ATTORNEYS.

I WANTED JUST TO SHARE.

COUNCILMAN. JOHNSON.

WHEN? WHEN WE START THINKING ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO TODAY.

RIGHT. IT'S AFFECTING OUR RESPONSE TIME.

SO WE CAN GO INTO WE HAVE A RELEASE OF DEATH SERVICES THAT ARE COMING IN.

WE COULD ROLL UP OUR SLEEVES AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS EXCUSE ME, EXCUSE ME.

WHAT WE WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS LOOK AT WORKING ON THOSE DEBT SERVICES AND WHATEVER WE CAN GET TO BOND THOSE TWO DIFFERENT TO THOSE TWO DIFFERENT FIRE STATIONS, THAT CAN IMMEDIATELY PROVIDE SOME RELIEF FOR OUR, OUR CITIZENS WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC SAFETY.

SO THAT BEING SAID THAT THAT'S WHERE I WOULD LIKE TO GO.

I THINK DEPUTY MAYOR HAS ANOTHER SPEAKER.

MISS GLORY. MISS GLORIA.

CLIFF. MA'AM.

GLORIA. I'M SORRY.

OH, DORA. QUATRO.

GLORIA. WHO DID YOU CALL? GLORIA. HOLD ON.

I'M GLORIA. CLIFF.

OKAY, WELL, MISS GLORIA CLIFF IS UP NOW, SO SHE'LL SPEAK.

GLORIA. CLIFF.

HI, I'M GLORIA CLIFF.

I LIVE AT 141 NORTH GROVE STREET, SOUTHEAST PALM BAY, 32909.

OKAY, I HAD WE THEY'RE BUILDING HOUSES NEAR WHERE WE LIVE WITH.

AND ECO WAS DOING IT.

ECO WAS THE BUILDER.

OR IS THIS ECO? IS THIS ALL RIGHT, MISS GLORIA? THIS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CHARTER AMENDMENT, SO WE'LL HAVE TO CALL YOU BACK IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT ECO.

YEAH, BUT THE IDEA IS THEY DON'T.

THEY THEY HAD DUMPSTERS.

WELL, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO CALL YOU BACK.

OKAY. WELL, I'LL CALL YOU, I PROMISE YOU.

I'LL CALL YOU BACK. MA'AM, WE'RE JUST DEALING WITH THIS ITEM RIGHT NOW.

YEAH, DEPUTY DEPUTY MAYOR.

SO WE NO NEW BUSINESS.

ONE IS. YEAH.

IT'S COMPLETE. ALL. ALL CARDS.

ALL. OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU. SO I GOT IT.

GO AHEAD. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE NEW BUSINESS.

ONE WITH REMOVAL OF THE LANGUAGE FOR A DEDICATED PUBLIC SAFETY MILLAGE.

I'LL. I'LL SECOND.

GO AHEAD, DEPUTY MAYOR OR COUNCILMAN? THERE'S NOTHING REALLY ELSE TO BE SAID.

EVERYBODY ELSE SAID EVERYTHING.

AND WE WE AGREE WITH YOU.

I DO WANT TO ADDRESS A FEW THINGS THAT WERE SAID, AND A LOT OF IT PERTAINS TO THE STATE.

THE STATE PUT THE MANDATE ON US TO MANDATE SEPTIC TO SEWER.

THE STATE IS WHAT DECIDED WITH THE INSURANCE FOR THE HOUSES.

AND FLORIDA IS THE ONLY STATE THAT DOESN'T COVER WHAT IS IT? BODILY INJURY HAZARD INSURANCE.

OUT OF THE 50 STATES, WE'RE THE ONLY STATE.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK HARD ON WITH OUR STATE IN ADDRESSING THINGS THAT THEY'RE PASSING IT ON TO US.

YES, THEY'RE INCREASING INSURANCE, INSURANCE, HOME INSURANCE, BUT THEN THEY'RE HOMESTEADING, WHICH IS PUTTING IT ON US.

SO THEY'RE KIND OF PASSING THE BUCK WHERE WE GOT TO HAVE WE GOT TO FIND A RESOLUTION.

SO I'M WITH I HEAR EVERYBODY I, WE HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND WE'RE SEEING IT AS WELL.

BUT EVEN WITH THE ADVANCED SEPTIC TO SEWER, BILL BRATTON SAID A FEW WEEKS, A FEW MONTHS AGO, I AGREE WITH THEM.

SOMEBODY'S GETTING PAID.

I'LL SAY IT. SOMEBODY, I SEE IT FOR WHAT IT IS.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ONLY CONTROL WHAT WE CAN CONTROL, BUT LET'S WORK TOGETHER ON IT.

SO THAT'S IT. MAYOR. I APPRECIATE YOU, SIR.

WELL, THANK YOU. AND I WANTED TO ADD.

LISTEN, THIS DAIS HAS REALLY IMPROVED OUR PUBLIC SAFETY.

I WANT I JUST WANT TO SHARE JUST A FEW HIGHLIGHTS.

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WE'VE ADDED 40 SWORN PERSONNEL.

WE'VE ADDED NEW REPLACEMENT VEHICLES, 132 VEHICLES WITH A PRICE TAG OF 6.7 MILLION.

EVERYTHING IS GOING UP.

WE'VE ADDED AND INVESTED 35 NEW FIRE POSITIONS.

WE'VE INVESTED OVER $5 MILLION TO REPLACE THOSE OLDER VEHICLES AND ADD NEW ONES TO EXPAND OUR FLEET.

NEW TWO ENGINES, THE LATTER SEVEN PLUS PROPOSING TONIGHT'S IN TONIGHT'S MEETING.

OVER $6 MILLION IN IMPACT FEES TO PURCHASE A NEW WATER TENDER IN SOUTHEAST AND THREE HIGH QUALITY DOUBLE BRUSH TRUCKS WITH FIVE SQUAD VEHICLES.

SO WE ARE DOING WHAT WE CAN WITH OUR PUBLIC SAFETY.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE WE'RE FUNDING A NEW TOWER.

WE FUNDED A NEW TOWER FIRE STATION THAT WAS OVER 588,000.

WE'VE REPLACED RADIO EQUIPMENT THAT COST $676,000.

FOLKS, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY FOR RADIOS.

BUT THOSE ARE THE THOSE ARE THE COSTS.

JUST LIKE YOU'RE PAYING AT THE PUMP, JUST LIKE YOU'RE PAYING FOR YOUR MILK AND PAYING FOR BREAD.

EVERYTHING IS ROWE ROSE.

IT'S RISEN SO HIGH FROM THE TIME SINCE COVID, EVERYTHING IS JUST ABOUT TWICE AND SKILLED LABOR IS UNBELIEVABLE.

SO JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW WE ARE TIGHTENING OUR BELTS.

WE'VE INVESTED LIFE SAVING EQUIPMENT.

OH, I LOVE THE THE LUCAS DEVICES.

THAT I'VE SEEN THAT IN ACTION.

AND OVER $8 MILLION FOR NEW FIRE STATION NUMBER SEVEN.

SO JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THOSE THINGS.

STAFF HAS DONE A GOOD JOB IN DIRECTING US TO TRY AND AND DO GET THE MOST OUT OF WHAT WE CAN.

SO WHEN THIS PROPOSAL CAME, IT WAS ABOUT WHAT ELSE CAN WE DO? I DON'T I FEEL THAT RIGHT NOW IS THE NOT THE RIGHT TIME BECAUSE WE'RE ALL FEELING THE PINCH.

AND I LOVE HOW I DON'T REMEMBER YOUR NAME, MAN.

BUT YOU SAID WE'RE ALL.

WE'RE ALL FEELING THE PINCH AND AND YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

AND AND I SAY THAT, AND I GOT TO SHARE THIS.

MAYBE IT'S THE WRONG TIME TO SHARE THIS, BUT RIGHT NOW, MY MY WIFE, MY MY WIFE, GOD BLESS MY WIFE.

BUT MY MY SON'S WIFE IS ABOUT TO HAVE BABY NUMBER SIX THIS EVENING.

SO RIGHT BEFORE I'M COMING HERE, I'M THINKING ABOUT COME ON, NUMBER SIX.

RIGHT. SO ANYWAY, I SECONDED YOUR MOTION, SIR.

ANY OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSION, DEPUTY MAYOR? ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. ALL OPPOSED? NAY. PASSES 2 TO 1.

SO WE ARE NOW ON PUBLIC HEARINGS NUMBER ONE.

PUBLIC COMMENTS, AS YOU WERE.

[PUBLIC COMMENTS/RESPONSES:]

PUBLIC COMMENTS.

MISS CLIFF? YEAH. GLORIA. MISS CLIFF, THANK YOU.

OKAY. GLORIA CLIFF, 1414 GROVE STREET, SOUTHEAST PALM BAY.

OKAY, YOU GUYS, EVERYBODY'S BUILDING HOUSES.

A LOT OF HOUSES ARE NOT EVEN FINISHED BECAUSE THEY HAVE STOP ORDER ON ECO.

NOW, FINALLY, THEY GOT RID OF THE DUMPSTERS THAT WERE SITTING THERE FOR ABOUT A YEAR.

FILLED UP GARBAGES FROM THE DUMPSTER IS ALL OVER THE PLACE WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY IS TO CLEAN UP.

I'VE CALLED EVERYBODY.

OH WELL, IF IT GOES TO THE ROAD, THEN WE WILL COME AND CLEAN IT.

BUT IT SITS ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD.

WHO'S GOING TO PICK IT UP AND CLEAN IT? THE. I WAS TOLD, WHY DON'T YOU GET OUT THERE AND CLEAN IT? OH, WOW.

WE PAY TO HAVE A NICE NEIGHBORHOOD.

YOU CAN'T EVEN WALK OVER THERE.

YOU'RE AFRAID TO. WHAT'S GOING TO COME OUT OF THE WOODS OR COME OUT OF THESE THESE DUMPSTERS? AND WHY ARE THEY BUILDING SO MANY HOUSES? THEY CAN'T EVEN FINISH THEM, OR THEY'RE JUST SITTING THERE.

THERE'S A HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET FROM US.

IT'S BEEN ON THE MARKET FOR TWO YEARS.

NOBODY WANTS TO BUY IT BECAUSE THEY'RE TOO EXPENSIVE.

WELL, THEY GOT TO DO SOMETHING.

THEY GOT TO STOP BUILDING, STOP CLEARING LAND FOR THE ANIMALS BECAUSE WE'RE THESE ANIMALS.

GOT TO GO. YOU'RE CLEARING ALL THIS LAND, BUT YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING.

YOU MAY START A HOUSE WITH THE FOUNDATION.

THAT'S AS FAR AS IT GOES.

WE HAVE A LOT OF HOUSES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S BEEN STARTED.

THE WOOD IS ROTTING BECAUSE IT'S BEEN SITTING THERE FOR OVER A YEAR AND THEY'RE NOT BEING BUILT.

SOMETHING'S GOT TO GET DONE.

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WHY ARE YOU WHY ARE THEY LET YOU GUYS LETTING THEM CLEAR LANDS, START BUILDING HOUSES AND NOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT? YOU KNOW, THERE'S YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOMETHING'S GOT TO BE DONE ABOUT THIS.

YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S RIDICULOUS.

THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD THEM.

SO THEY'RE SITTING THERE AND PRETTY SOON YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF VANDALISM BECAUSE HOUSES HAVE BEEN SITTING.

ARE THESE WHEN THEY'RE ECO ECO HOUSES AROUND US THAT THEY HAD A STOP ORDER ON THEM AND IT'S BEEN SITTING THERE.

THERE'S LIKE SIX HOUSES.

FINALLY THEY LET TWO OF THEM THAT WERE TOTALLY DONE, FINISHED GO.

BUT THE REST OF THEM, YOU WANT TO SEE THE DIRT? THE GRASS IS GROWING THERE.

THEY HAVEN'T FINISHED THEM.

ONE AT THE CORNER OF MY STREET DOWN THERE.

THE WOOD IS BLACK ALREADY OF THE HOUSE.

THAT'S NOT FINISHED. THE HOUSE HASN'T EVEN BEEN STARTED.

WHAT THEY DID WAS PUT A FOUNDATION.

I SEE, I SEE, AND NOTHING ELSE, YOU KNOW YOU'RE.

AND THEN THERE'S A HOLLOW AND THERE'S TWO HOUSES THERE.

THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING.

OKAY. PERHAPS I COULD GET YOU SOME ANSWERS.

GLORIA. MADAME SHERMAN.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. MISS CLIFF, I WILL HAVE JOHN PEARSON, WHO'S OUR CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL, TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT TONIGHT TO TELL YOU WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON.

BUT JUST SO THAT THE COUNCIL AND EVERYONE KNOWS WE HAVE SEEN AN INCREASE IN BUILDERS WHO PULL THE PERMITS, LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, AND THEY START THE WORK, BUT THEN THEY DON'T FINISH IT. WE'VE HAD ISSUES LATELY WITH MORE THAN LATELY, PEOPLE WHO DON'T PAY THEIR DUMPSTER FEES.

SO THEN THE DUMPSTER STARTS TO OVERFLOW.

SO JOHN PIERCE AND HIS TEAM, THEY'RE AGGRESSIVELY GOING AFTER THESE DEVELOPERS AS WE SPEAK.

WE'RE LOOKING AT LIENS. WE'RE LOOKING AT THE POTENTIAL, IN SOME CASES, TO EVEN PURSUE DEMOLITION OF THE STRUCTURE THAT'S PARTIALLY BUILT BUT NOT NOT FINISHED, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S BEEN ABANDONED. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS TO FIX THAT FOR YOU.

I'LL HAVE HIM TALK TO YOU, AND THEN I'LL ALSO HAVE HIM REVIEW THE TRASH SITUATION AS WELL, TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE ONES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE ON OUR LIST.

AND IF THEY'RE NOT, WE'LL WE'LL WORK ON THOSE FOR YOU, TOO.

AND I'M SORRY THAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH THIS.

IT'S IT'S BEEN INCREASING WITH A COUPLE OF BUILDERS IN PARTICULAR.

YEAH I UNDERSTAND.

GLORIA. GOT TO SEE JOHN RAISE YOUR HAND.

OKAY, I'LL BE RIGHT THERE. GOT TO GET MY POWER.

THANK. THANK YOU. GLORY.

NEXT SPEAKER.

MISS. MISS. DORA.

QUADRA. QUADRA.

GOOD EVENING, GENTLEMEN.

MEMBER. I'M GOING TO READ IT BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE EASY FOR ME TO READ THE THE COMPLAINT, YOU KNOW? OKAY. GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

AND TO THE COUNCIL MEMBER.

I LIVE IN 1126 HOMER STREET.

32907 NORTHWEST.

I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT MY CONCERN AND COMPLAINT ABOUT THE NEGLIGENCE TO DITCH MY CANAL AND THE CULVERT PIPE BLOCKED BY MOSS, MOSTLY CAUSED BY STORMWATER.

SINCE JANUARY OF THIS YEAR, I'VE BEEN CALLED TO THE PUBLIC SERVICE TO REQUEST TO DITCH THE CANAL WITH NO SUCCESS TO DO IT.

THE CULVERT PIPE COVER THE WATER FROM ONE SIDE, YOU KNOW, TO CONVEY THE WATER FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER ONE, BUT IT'S COMPLETELY BLACK.

I WAS IN TOUCH WITH MR. DENNIS, THE CUSTOMER SERVICE.

I'VE BEEN TALKING TO HIM AND HE SAID, I'M GOING TO SEND AN INSPECTOR.

I DIDN'T KNOW IF THE INSPECTOR CAME IN AND HE SAID HE DID, BUT I'M WAITING SINCE JANUARY.

I CALL HIM IN MAY AND NOTHING HAPPENED.

THEN I CALLED MRS, THE CHAIRMAN HERE.

MRS SUZANNE.

SHE NEVER CALLED ME BACK.

I LEFT THREE MESSAGES AND SHE'S IGNORING ME AS WELL AS MR. DENNIS LATELY.

I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY ARE NOT ANSWERING ME.

MY CONCERN THAT THEY STARTED DITCHING THE MY BLACK HUMMER, BUT STOPPED IN MY HOUSE AND THEN TWO NEIGHBORS FROM THE RIGHT TO THE LEFT.

THEY DIDN'T DO IT.

I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S NOT DOING IT WHEN THE CULVERT PIPE IS COMPLETELY BLACK.

SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

AND I CALL MR. MEDINA THE OFFICE AND COMPLAIN.

AND THE SECRETARY SAID THAT SHE'S GOING TO GET IN TOUCH WITH THE MANAGER OF THE PUBLIC SERVICE.

BUT I NEVER HAD ANY PHONE CALLS SINCE LAST WEEK.

SO I WANT TO ASK YOU TO DO THIS JOB AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, BECAUSE THE WATER STAY FOR A LONG TIME.

AND ALSO MOSQUITOES START GROWING UP OVER THERE.

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AND I DON'T WANT TO HAVE THAT HAPPEN.

I'M A WIDOW AND I DON'T I'M NOT GOING TO DO IT BY MYSELF BECAUSE I'M PAYING TO THE CITY, MY BILLS AND I LIVE.

MY HUSBAND DIED AND I CAME HERE IN 2013 COMPLAINING ABOUT THE ENCROACHMENT OF THE BACK OF THE LOT.

AND STILL I HAVE PROBLEM.

AND I ALREADY TALKED TO THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, MRS. MARTINEZ, I THINK, AND SHE, SHE GAVE ME A, A NUMBER, YOU KNOW, A CASE NUMBER.

SO I WANT YOU TO PUT A WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT BECAUSE THEY STARTED IN MY BLOCK BUT THEY DIDN'T CONTINUE.

I JUST WANT TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THIS AND DO IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

OKAY. THANK YOU, MISS DORA.

THANK YOU, MADAM SHERMAN.

THANK YOU SIR.

I'LL HAVE VALENTINA PEREZ, OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, GET WITH MRS. QUADRA. YEAH.

MISS DORA, I WANT YOU TO STAND UP FOR ONE SECOND.

VALENTINA. RAISE YOUR HAND.

YEAH, HE IGNORED ME, AND HE I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S NOT VALENTINO.

THAT THAT THAT'S.

I DON'T KNOW, BUT THAT'S TYPICALLY NOT HIS PERSONALITY.

MAN MAN MAN.

SHERMAN CAN. IS IT OKAY? YEAH. VALENTINO. MR. PEREZ, WOULD YOU PLEASE MEET? OKAY. THANK YOU.

DORA. OKAY, MISS DORA, GO AHEAD AND GO MEET WITH MR. VALENTINO. THANK YOU.

NEXT. NEXT SPEAKER.

MISS LISA JACKSON.

HI, MISS JACKSON.

HEY, THERE. HOW ARE YOU DOING TONIGHT? WELL. LISA JACKSON, 589 TRUMPET STREET, SOUTHWEST.

GOOD EVENING.

I'M HERE TONIGHT TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF CITIZENS WHO AREN'T ABLE TO BE HERE.

WHEN I'M RUNNING ERRANDS.

I ENGAGE FOLKS IN CONVERSATION.

I'VE LEARNED WE AS A COMMUNITY HAVE A LOT IN COMMON.

PEOPLE CARE ABOUT SAVING TREES AND WILDLIFE HABITAT AND ARE FRUSTRATED WITH THE RAPID DEVELOPMENT.

SOME ARE MOVING AWAY BECAUSE SO MUCH IS CHANGING AND NOT IN A GOOD WAY.

SOME EMAIL CITY OFFICIALS AND FEEL THEY DON'T GET HEARD.

FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD AND EXPERIENCED, THERE APPEARS TO BE AN EPIDEMIC IN OUR CITY GOVERNMENT.

THAT EPIDEMIC IS CALLED SILENCE.

I'M HEARING FROM MORE AND MORE PEOPLE THAT NO ONE IS RESPONDING TO EMAILS OR PHONE CALLS.

I EMAILED YOU ALL ABOUT SAVING OUR TREES, QUOTING CITY CODES, AND OFFERING POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS.

NO ONE RESPONDED TO MY FIRST EMAIL, SO I TRIED AGAIN ASKING IF ANY OF YOU CARE ABOUT SAVING THE TREES.

IT'S AN HONEST QUESTION AND IT'S CLEAR I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT IT.

BUT PERHAPS Y'ALL ARE MORE CONCERNED WITH SCHOOLS, THE POLICE FORCE, OR THE RISING CRIME RATE, AND THAT'S FINE.

BUT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO KNOW THAT BY RESPONDING TO MY EMAIL INSTEAD OF NOT RESPONDING AT ALL.

ONLY ONE PERSON RESPONDED TO ME AFTER MY THREE MINUTE COMMENT ON RECYCLING.

YOU REQUESTED THAT SOMEONE IN CITY GOVERNMENT FOLLOW UP WITH ME.

NO ONE EVER HAS.

IS IT JUST LIP SERVICE? YOUR TAGLINE AT MEETINGS IS PALM BAY THE GREATEST CITY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH.

AND THAT'S A VERY POSITIVE STATEMENT.

BUT WHAT DOES IT MEAN? WHAT MAKES IT GREAT IN YOUR EYES? IS IT COMMUNITY MEMBERS OR PERHAPS A NATURAL ENVIRONMENT THAT WE'RE LOSING EVERY DAY TO DEVELOPMENT? ARE YOU IN ALIGNMENT WITH THIS? IS IT WHAT YOU WANT EVERYWHERE A NEW APARTMENT BUILDING IS GOING UP, OR A CAR WASH OR STORAGE UNIT OR DRIVE THROUGH COFFEE PLACE? DEVELOPERS SEEM TO BE ABLE TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT.

THE CITY HAS POTENTIAL FOR SURE, BUT IT'S ONLY SEEN FOR THE MONEY TO BE MADE FROM IT.

THE SOUND OF TREES BEING RIPPED FROM THE GROUND IS PAINFUL TO THOSE OF US WHO CARE ABOUT NATURE AND FEEL A CONNECTION TO IT, AND I GET THAT THERE'S STILL TWO THIRDS OF PALM BAY AVAILABLE TO DEVELOP, AS ONE CITY OFFICIAL TOLD ME.

BUT SOME OF THAT ONE THIRD IS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD DAILY, HUGE CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES ARE PARKED ON MY STREET, UNLOADING CEMENT BLOCKS AND LEAVING TRASH EVERYWHERE, SOMETIMES ARRIVING AT 7 A.M.

ON SATURDAY.

THE PEACE I ONCE ENJOYED ON MY PORCH IS NOW VIOLATED BY THE CONSTANT SOUND OF CONSTRUCTION.

IF IT'S NOT IN YOUR BACKYARD, I IMAGINE YOU DON'T CARE.

BUT I'M ASKING YOU TO CARE BECAUSE IT'S IN MY BACKYARD.

AND ALSO THERE ARE ABANDONED HOUSES IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD TOO.

LIKE THAT OTHER LADY SAID, WE VOTED YOU IN TO REPRESENT US.

THE CITIZENS OF PALM BAY DON'T WANT THIS RAPID DEVELOPMENT.

WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS? TO SLOW IT DOWN? CAN YOU PUT A MORATORIUM ON THE BUILDING? THIS IS AN ELECTION YEAR.

I THINK MORE THAN EVER, YOU'D WANT TO LISTEN TO US AND NOT STAND ON PLATITUDES OF WHAT YOU MIGHT DO FOR THE CITY.

THE ONE SOLUTION I PROPOSE WE HAVE TOWN MEETINGS INSTEAD OF JUST GIVING US THREE MINUTES TO TALK.

TALK WITH YOU.

HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.

DIALOG WITH US.

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DISCUSS ANY ACTIONS YOU YOU CAN TAKE TO SLOW DOWN THE GROWTH THAT IS QUICKLY DESTROYING OUR ONCE PEACEFUL TOWN.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU. AND FOR THE RECORD, I REMEMBER YOUR NAME AND I KNOW I RESPONDED TO AN EMAIL.

YOU RESPONDED WITH I REMEMBER THAT.

THANK YOU MA'AM, THANK YOU.

I JUST WANTED, FOR THE RECORD, I JUST WANTED TO STATE THAT, MARY, IF I MAY ADDRESS MISS JACKSON.

JACKSON, IF I MAY ADDRESS YOU, WOULD YOU CONSIDER SERVING ON OUR SUSTAINABILITY BOARD? I DID RESPOND. OKAY, I NEED MORE INFORMATION.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

MA'AM, I KNOW THAT WE WE HAD DISCUSSED ABOUT THE TREE ORDINANCE, TREE REMOVAL ORDINANCE.

I KNOW THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT.

AND IF IF THERE'S A CLEARING OF A PROPERTY, GIVEN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME THAT THE BUILDER WOULD HAVE TO RIGHTFULLY BUILD ON THEIR PROPERTY. WHERE ARE WE ON THAT? I BELIEVE SOME OF THOSE CHANGES ARE GOING TO BE PART OF OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE DISCUSSION NEXT WEEK.

OKAY. INCLUDING THE DISCUSSION WE'VE HAD FOR A WHILE, IT DID GET INCLUDED, I BELIEVE, ABOUT THE THE LOT CLEARING PERMITS.

SO YOU KNOW, OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE, IF IT'S A STANDARD QUARTER ACRE LOT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PULL A PERMIT RIGHT NOW.

BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT CHANGING THAT.

SO THAT'S GOING TO COME FORTH TO.

SO MISS LISA, AS YOU SEE WE ARE LISTENING TO YOU AND WE ARE TAKING ACTION.

SO THANK YOU MA'AM.

THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER MR. BATON. BILL BATTEN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST. I'VE GOT TWO ITEMS UNDER PUBLIC COMMENTS.

ITEM NUMBER ONE WAS I DROVE BY THE FACILITIES UNIT ON ON DEGROOT ROAD, AND I WAS VERY, VERY HAPPY AND VERY IMPRESSED WHEN I SAW I'M NOT SURE WHICH DEPARTMENT IT WAS, FACILITIES, DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS, WHOEVER IT WAS.

BUT I SAW A TRAINING GOING ON WITH TWO BRAND NEW JOHN DEERE TRACTORS, AND THEY HAD EVERYBODY BEING TRAINED, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS THE BEST WAY TO GET PEOPLE EXCITED ABOUT THE EQUIPMENT.

AND IT JUST MADE ME FEEL GOOD BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HELP LOWER SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE HAVING.

THEY'LL HAVE THE EQUIPMENT ON THE SITE SOLVING THE PROBLEM.

AND THE WAY THEY GOT THERE WAS THEY HELD THE TRAINING WITH THE TWO BRAND NEW.

OH, THAT'S RIGHT, THEY SHOULD BE MY TRACTORS.

BUT THEY'RE NOT OKAY EITHER WAY.

THAT'S ITEM NUMBER ONE.

I SAW THE TRAINING AND I APPRECIATE IT.

ITEM NUMBER TWO WE'VE HEARD TALK.

IN FACT, IT WAS EVEN PART OF YOUR CONVERSATION AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING ON WHY YOU DID NOT APPROVE THE TWO MIL ITEM FOR THE ELECTION, AND THAT WAS BECAUSE OF THE IG OR THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.

AND I'M SAYING, WELL, THEY HAVEN'T EVEN TALKED ABOUT WHAT THAT REALLY IS.

YOU'RE HOLDING YOUR CONVERSATIONS.

YOU ALL KNEW WHAT WAS BEING DISCUSSED ABOUT IT THERE.

AND THAT'S WHY YOU HAD THAT HERE ON THE DAIS.

BUT NOBODY EVEN KNOWS WHAT THE CONVERSATION IS THAT YOU WERE HAVING.

THE FACT THAT WE ARE CONSIDERING HAVING ANOTHER CHARTER MEMBER ON THE BOARD.

WHAT THAT EVEN DO YOU HAVE ANY ROUGH IDEAS? TELL THE PUBLIC WHAT YOU'RE ANTICIPATING OF A COST, WHAT THAT CHARTER POSITION IS GOING TO BE, OR IS IT GOING TO BE A 30 OR 60 WORD BALLOT THAT WE HAVE TO VOTE ON? WE DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND YET.

THAT'S HOW IT WOULD HAVE APPEARED.

SO THE PUBLIC DOESN'T KNOW WHAT IT IS YOU'RE CONSIDERING PUTTING ON ON YOUR BOARD, ON YOUR WHAT DO WE WANT TO CALL IT, OUR CHARTER MEMBERS.

SO IF YOU COULD AT LEAST EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC AT LEAST ONCE, BECAUSE I DON'T EVEN KNOW, AND I TRY TO FOLLOW WHAT IT IS YOU'RE LOOKING AT AND WHAT IT WAS GOING TO COST ME.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHIEF. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

THAT LAST MEETING, WE WE BROUGHT THAT UP TO BE PART OF THE CHARTER AMENDMENT DISCUSSIONS.

WE MIXED IT ALL IN ALONG WITH THE SUN.

ACCORDING TO WHAT YOU PREFERRED, THE SUN SETTING THE 3% CAP WAS SUGGESTED AS WELL.

AND WHEN WE GOT BRIEFED, I KNOW THAT I WAS BRIEFED, SO I INDIVIDUALLY BRIEFED, BUT IT WAS SAID THAT THE TIMING DIDN'T FIT.

SO WHAT I WANTED WAS THE IG PROPOSAL OR THE COMPTROLLER PROPOSAL THAT COUNCILMAN JOHNSON FELT WE SHOULD DO.

AND I'M FULLY ON BOARD WITH THAT.

BUT EVEN MORE SO, I WANTED TO REVERT BACK TO THE WAY THE CHARTER READ HOW WE FILL A POSITION OF VACANCY ON ON THIS.

SO WHEN AND IN THAT INFORMATION THAT CAME THAT THAT SHIP HAS SAILED WHEN IT CAME TO THE TIME FRAME AND THE ADVERTISEMENT.

SO I'M, I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU.

I, I LIKE FOR PERHAPS TO OUR CITY MANAGER TO, TO SHARE THAT.

BUT I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO DISCUSS THAT AS WELL.

I JUST HIT A LITTLE BIT ON IT THAT I WANTED TO REVERT BACK.

BUT THANK YOU, MR. CHIEF.

MADAM SHERMAN, WOULD YOU BREAK DOWN? WHY? WE COULDN'T ADD ANYTHING ELSE?

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YEAH, ESSENTIALLY, IN A CONVERSATION LAST WEEK WITH THE CITY CLERK AND CITY ATTORNEY GOING THROUGH THE TIMELINE FOR THE FIRST AND SECOND HEARINGS, GOING THROUGH THE DEADLINE FOR THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS TO SUBMIT THE REFERENDUMS. THE CITY CLERK MADE US AWARE THAT THERE WASN'T ENOUGH TIME TO DO THE ADVERTISEMENT BECAUSE THE ADVERTISEMENTS ACTUALLY, FOR THE SECOND HEARING, WHICH IS TUESDAY, AUGUST 13TH.

THOSE ADS ACTUALLY WERE DUE TO THE THE NEWSPAPER ON WEDNESDAY OF THIS WEEK, SO THERE WASN'T ENOUGH TIME, ACCORDING TO THE CITY CLERK.

AND THAT SCHEDULE THAT SHE WORKS OFF OF TO ACCOMPLISH THAT TASK.

YES, SIR. SO IT WAS A TIMING ISSUE WITH ADVERTISEMENT.

AND ONCE THAT CAME OUT, I WAS YOU KNOW, THAT CHANGED THE COMPLEXITY OF ALL OUR CONVERSATION AT LAST MEETING.

DEPUTY MAYOR. YES, MAYOR.

MISS DALPRA.

PAT DALPRA FOR TEN GEORGE'S AVENUE NORTHEAST.

GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

I DO WANT TO GIVE YOU KUDOS FOR CHANGING YOUR MIND ON THE TAX THING.

SO THANK YOU.

AND I THINK WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT THAT IT'S THE WRONG TIMING.

BUT I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ALL THE CITIZENS FOR SHOWING UP TONIGHT BECAUSE MANY PEOPLE COMPLAIN BUT THEY DON'T COME HERE. AND SO I KEEP TRYING TO TELL PEOPLE SHOW UP.

SO THAT'S ONE REASON WHY CDF OR CITIZENS DEFENDING FREEDOM ARE DOING THESE.

MEET THE CANDIDATES.

SO WE HAVE LAST ONE AT.

AT THE HOUSE CHURCH, 1520 BOTTOMLESS DRIVE, NORTHEAST PALM BAY.

SO THAT WILL BE AUGUST 10TH.

THAT'S OUR LAST ONE BEFORE THE THE PRIMARY AND ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE'RE DOING IT IS TO GET PEOPLE OUT AND AS WE SAY, TALK TO THE CANDIDATES AND WE NEED YOU GUYS TO TALK TO US MORE OFTEN, YOU KNOW, ONE ON ONE SOMETIMES.

AND SO CITIZENS REALLY NEED TO GET OUT, TALK TO THE CANDIDATES, VOTE.

AND THE REASON WHY WE ARE DOING THEM RIGHT NOW AT THE CHURCHES IS THAT OUR LOWEST TURNOUT OF CITIZENS ARE THE CHRISTIANS.

40% ARE NOT REGISTERED OR DO NOT VOTE.

AND THEY NEED TO GET OUT OF THIS FEELING THAT THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO GET INVOLVED IN POLITICS.

THEY'VE BEEN DUPED.

SO THEY NEED TO BE INVOLVED.

THE CONSTITUTION WAS WRITTEN FROM BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES, AND IF THEY WERE NOT INVOLVED, WE WOULDN'T BE HERE TODAY.

SO THE CONSTITUTION WAS MADE FOR A MORAL AND RELIGIOUS PEOPLE AND IS WHOLLY INADEQUATE TO GOVERNMENT OF ANY OTHER.

THAT WAS BY JOHN ADAMS AND HIS SON, JOHN QUINCY ADAMS SAID, DUTY IS OURS.

RESULTS ARE GOD'S.

SO IF THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE LISTENING TODAY, IF YOU'RE NOT REGISTERED, GET OUT AND GET YOURSELF REGISTERED.

AND IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN VOTING, YOU NEED TO GET OUT AND VOTE SO THAT YOU CAN'T COMPLAIN ABOUT WHO'S IN OFFICE IF YOU DON'T DO YOUR PART.

I ALSO WANT TO REITERATE WITH THE BUILDERS, I THINK I BROUGHT UP TO YOU SUZANNE ABOUT CLEARING THE LOTS BEFORE THEIR PLANNING BECAUSE THEY COULD SIT FOR A YEAR OR TWO YEARS AND ALL THAT JUNK GROWS BACK.

AND ALSO THE WAY THAT THEY'RE BUILDING THEM UP HIGH.

DID YOU EVER SEE THAT ONE BUILDING? THEY'RE NOT BEING RESPECTFUL TO THEIR NEIGHBORS.

SO THEY'RE HERE.

THE OTHER NEIGHBORS DOWN HERE, THE SLANT GOES RIGHT INTO THEIR YARD.

THAT'S UNACCEPTABLE. SO ACCOUNTABILITY IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.

THANK YOU.

MA'AM. ARE YOU ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT? THOSE THOSE HEIGHTS? I KNOW THEY'VE COME BEFORE BASED ON SEPTIC THE BREVARD COUNTY HEALTH.

SO CAN YOU JUST TOUCH ON THAT A LITTLE.

SO THE TEAM DOES TRY TO WORK THROUGH THAT WHEN THEY'RE REVIEWING THE PLANS THAT COME THROUGH.

ONE OF THE ISSUES HAS BEEN THAT THE THERE HAVE BEEN CHANGES AT THE STATE LEVEL FOR SEPTIC TANK INSTALLATIONS THAT HAVE AFFECT AFFECTED BASICALLY THE ELEVATION OF THE SITE. SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF OPPORTUNITY THE STAFF HAS TO WORK TO TRY TO REDUCE THAT, TO TRY TO MAKE IT FIT BETTER WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBOR, NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES IF THEY'RE ALREADY DEVELOPED.

BUT SOME PARTS OF THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF OUR CONTROL BECAUSE OF THE SEPTIC PERMIT.

WELL, THANK YOU, MA'AM.

NEXT SPEAKER, PASTOR DELGADO.

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DELGADO, 154 ANGELO ROAD, SOUTHEAST IN THE GREATEST CITY OF THE EARTH OF THAT IS PALM BAY, FLORIDA.

LISTEN YOU KNOW, I REALIZED THAT YOU COME HERE AND AND YOU GET ALL THE BAD NEWS.

I THOUGHT I'D BRING SOME GOOD NEWS.

I KNOW YOU COME HERE, AND YOU HAVE TO BATTEN DOWN THE HATCHES.

BUT. BUT I THOUGHT I'D GIVE SOME GOOD NEWS FOR A MINUTE.

JUST FOR A MINUTE. I KNOW YOU GUYS MISSED THIS GREAT EVENT THAT HAPPENED IN JUNE.

YOU WERE ON VACATION.

IT'S UNDERSTANDABLE, BUT.

BUT BALLOONS WERE RAISED.

FLAGS WERE RAISED.

HONOR WAS GIVEN, I TURNED 70.

CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

GOOD NEWS. THIS IS GOOD NEWS.

AND AND SO. BUT LISTEN, I, I JUST HAD THE GOOD NEWS AS AS THE PASTOR THAT I AM SOMETHING THAT'S SO FAMILIAR TO SO MANY PEOPLE.

I JUST THOUGHT I'D JUST THROW IT OUT THERE FOR GOOD NEWS.

FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD, AND THE WORLD IS ALL OF US THAT HE GAVE TO HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, THAT WHOSOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WOULD NOT PERISH BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE.

I LIKE THE WORD SO LOVED.

YOU DIDN'T JUST LOVE, HE SO LOVED.

THAT MEANS IT ELEVATES IT TO A LEVEL THAT WE CANNOT UNDERSTAND.

AND IT SAYS SO THAT THE WORLD WHO BELIEVES IN HIM WOULD BE SAVED.

THAT WORD SAVED IS ACTUALLY NOT JUST ETERNAL LIFE.

IT'S IT'S HOPE FOR HEALING.

IT'S HOPE FOR PROVISION, IT'S HOPE FOR SALVATION.

IT'S HOPE FOR HEALTH, IT'S HOPE FOR ANY, FOR THE FOR THE PERSON WHO WHO IS, IS IN THE DARK PLACES OF DEPRESSION.

IT IS HOPE FOR THE ADDICTED, ITS HOPED FOR THOSE WHO ARE IN SLAVERY, ITS HOPED FOR THE WORLD.

THAT'S THE LOVE THAT WHEN WE TRUST AND BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST, THERE'S A DOOR THAT OPENS UP TO PEOPLE AND TO THE CITY OF PALM BAY AND TO ITS INHABITANTS, THAT THEY CAN EXPERIENCE LIFE THAT THEY'VE NEVER EXPERIENCED BEFORE.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING I CAN REALLY RELATE IN WORDS.

IT'S SOMETHING YOU EXPERIENCE.

AND WHEN YOU EXPERIENCE THAT SALVATION, WHEN YOU EXPERIENCE THAT LOVE, YOU NEVER GO BACK TO WHAT YOU USED TO BE.

LET ME TELL YOU, YOU MIGHT SEE ME HERE REALLY, REALLY GOOD LOOKING GOOD AND AND AND AND REAL NICE.

BUT LISTEN, THERE WAS A TIME I WAS NOT LOOKING GOOD AND I WAS NOT SO NICE.

AND YOU, YOU ALL BETTER BE GLAD THAT I GOT SAVED WHILE I LIVED HERE IN PALM BAY.

BECAUSE IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN THE SAME HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR JESUS CHRIST.

AND SO AND AND SO.

JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU SOME GOOD NEWS SO THAT YOU CAN SMILE A LITTLE BIT AND KIND OF GO JUST A LITTLE BIT OF FRESH WATER.

GOD BLESS YOU ALL. THANK YOU.

LOVE YOU ALL. GOD BLESS YOU.

NEXT SPEAKER. MR..

ROBERT STICE.

TOUGH, TOUGH ACT TO FOLLOW, SIR.

CAN WE HAVE THAT PICTURE, SIR? YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU DO BATTENED DOWN THE HATCHES, IT DOES GET A LITTLE CLAUSTROPHOBIC.

I GOT TO TELL YOU. NOW WE HAVE TO KEEP THE POSITIVE, SIR.

ANYWAY, I WANT YOU TO LOOK AT THIS.

GUYS THIS IS MY WIFE AND I.

WE DO MEALS ON WHEELS ON TUESDAY.

MEALS ON WHEELS. OKAY? THIS IS WHAT I'M DELIVERING HERE NOW.

THEY'VE ELIMINATED THE PM MEAL, SO THE FOLKS WE DO TUESDAYS, THESE FOLKS THAT WE GO TO AND WHAT MEALS ON WHEELS SERVES IS FIVE DAYS A WEEK.

AND THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE USE AND TO SUSTAIN ON IT.

AND THEY HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TURKEY HERE AND A LITTLE BIT OF, WELL, YOU SEE WHAT IT IS, A SLICE OF BREAD.

AND TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A FOOD SHELTER NEXT TO IT AND YOU HAVE SOME SPARE CORN ON THE COB OF GRAPES WE PUT IN AS WELL.

BUT WE NEED TO START HONORING OUR ELDERS.

WE REALLY DO.

THIS IS NOT SUSTAINABLE.

OKAY LIKE I SAID, THEY DISCONTINUED THE PM.

SO THIS IS DINNER. NOW, THE PEOPLE THAT WE SERVE, EVERYONE THAT WE SERVE HERE TO QUALIFY.

YOU CAN'T HAVE AN AUTOMOBILE, BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE AN AUTOMOBILE, YOU CAN TRAVEL AND GO WHEREVER AND PICK UP FOOD.

SO THIS IS THE ONLY THING THAT SUSTAINS THEM.

WELL, THEY HAVE TO ORDER SOMETHING AND THEN PAY THAT DELIVERY CHARGE.

SO I KNOW, AND I'VE BEEN HITTING YOU PRETTY HARD ABOUT SPENDING AND KEEPING THAT DOWN.

BUT THESE ARE OUR ELDERS.

THESE ARE YOUR PARENTS AND MY PARENTS AND EVERYBODY ELSE'S PARENTS.

THIS IS WHAT SUSTAINS THEM.

SO WE JUST PUT THIS OUT IN THE BACK OF MY PICKUP AS I WAS DELIVERING.

I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A SNAPSHOT OF THE REALITY HERE.

WHAT CAN WE DO TO HELP OUR ELDERS IN THE CITY OF PALM BAY?

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BECAUSE THEY'RE STRUGGLING.

THEY ONLY HAVE FUNDING ON THIS.

DID YOU WANT TO GIVE THIS MEAL TO YOUR MOM, YOUR DAD, YOUR AUNT AND UNCLE? THEY NEED HELP.

THIS IS IT FOR DINNER.

AND I REALLY LIKE THE CITY TO STEP OUT ON THIS, BECAUSE SOME OF THE TRAVELING I DID, YOU KNOW, IN JAPAN.

I KNOW I'M DIGRESSING HERE, BUT THEY REALLY HONOR THEIR PARENTS AND RESPECT THEIR PARENTS.

I HAVE VETERANS ANSWERING THE DOOR, YOU KNOW, IN A WHEELCHAIR, SOME WITH WHO'S LOST A LIMB OR A LEG.

I MAY BE PUTTING FOOD ON THE COUNTER, BUT I DO THIS FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS.

WE WANT TO GET BACK, AND IT REALLY HUMBLES ME BIG TIME AND I HOPE THIS HUMBLES YOU AS WELL.

SO PLEASE LOOK INTO THIS AND GIVE IT DUE CONSIDERATION.

MAYOR. BEFORE THE NEXT SPEAKER, I WAS GOING TO SAY THIS.

THIS IS SOMETHING WE DO LOOK INTO.

DEPUTY MAYOR, SPECIFICALLY WITH THE I CAN'T EVEN THINK OF THE BOARD WITH THE CDBG FUNDING.

MEALS ON WHEELS TYPICALLY APPLIES EVERY YEAR, AND THEY USUALLY GET AWARDED, IF NOT EVERY YEAR.

THEY GET AWARDED MOST OF THE TIME.

FROM THE OKAY, MAYBE NOT THIS YEAR, BUT OKAY.

BUT THEY HAVE GOTTEN AWARDED IN THE PAST.

BUT THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE THEM TO KEEP APPLYING BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER NONPROFITS THAT HAVE GREAT.

THEY HAVE WHAT IS IT? GRANDPARENTS HELPING CHILDREN AND A FEW OTHERS.

THERE'S A LOT OF THERE'S A LOT OF ORGANIZATIONS DOING A LOT OF GREAT GOOD IN THE CITY.

SO I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE THEM TO APPLY AGAIN.

YEAH. AND RIGHT ALONG THAT SAME VEIN, IF I MAY, I KNOW THE DEPARTMENT OF VETERAN AFFAIRS IS WORKING ON A NUTRITIONAL PROGRAM AS WELL, AND THAT'S NATIONWIDE. AND I KNOW WEST PALM BEACH MEDICAL CENTER DOWN THERE.

THEY'RE THEY'VE TAKEN THAT SERIOUSLY.

SO YOU WANT TO DISCUSS THAT OFFLINE.

MAYBE WE COULD SOMEHOW ASSIST PARTNERING THOSE TWO AGENCIES.

ALL RIGHT. NEXT SPEAKER SOMBRERITO MARTINEZ.

WHAT IS IT? HI.

HUMBERTO MARTINEZ. YES.

OKAY. FROM 2627 DENNIS AVENUE, SOUTHEAST PALM BAY, 32909.

HERE I BASICALLY TO TALK ABOUT THE.

I WAS HERE LAST YEAR ABOUT IT AND I WENT TO COURT WITH THEM AND EVERYTHING.

THE OUTRAGEOUS PROPERTY TAX INCREASES THAT ARE HERE.

I KNOW OF THREE ELDERLY GENTLEMEN THAT USED TO LIVE ON MY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WERE LITERALLY FORCED TO SELL THEIR HOME AND HAD TO VACATE THEIR PROPERTY.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM, BUT BASICALLY THEY HAD TO LEAVE.

I, YOU KNOW, I WENT TO TO A HEARING ABOUT IT WITH THEM AND BASICALLY I WAS TOLD TO THEY SAID, WELL, THESE HOUSES OVER HERE SOLD FOR THIS PRICE. THEY'RE SIMILAR TO YOURS.

THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO PAY.

THANK YOU. HAVE A NICE DAY OUT THE DOOR.

I WAS SO I MEAN, IT'S IT'S IT'S A THING THROUGH BREVARD COUNTY.

SO PALM BAY JUST COULDN'T DO IT ITSELF.

IS THERE A WAY TO GET WITH THE OTHER CITY COUNCILS ALL THE WAY FROM GOOD OLD PALM BAY ENDING IN TITUSVILLE? AND LET'S COME UP WITH SOME SORT OF LEGISLATION TO TAKE LISA CULLEN IN THEIR TYRANNICAL TAXING SYSTEM AND GET RID OF THEM.

JUST BASICALLY TAX US ON SOMETHING MORE CONCRETE INSTEAD OF ARBITRARY, WHERE THEY SAY, WELL I FEEL THAT THIS HOUSE COSTS THAT INSTEAD OF GOING BY A SQUARE FOOTAGE OF A HOUSE WHATEVER, UNDER ER AND COME UP WITH A DOLLAR AMOUNT, I THINK YOU'D SAVE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

YOU'D ELIMINATE THAT STAFF.

IF THEY NEED AN APPRAISAL ON A HOUSE ONCE A YEAR, A BANK APPRAISER GUY THEY COULD HIRE, WHICH WOULD BE A LOT CHEAPER THAN, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT'S BEING PAID OUT AND STUFF. BASICALLY, I GUESS YOU GUYS, THIS CITY COUNCIL, YOU WOULD ALL HAVE TO GET TOGETHER AND HAVE THE PEOPLE DO A VOTE ON IT.

DO YOU WANT TO KEEP THESE PEOPLE HERE? DO YOU WANT TO CONTINUE WITH THIS SYSTEM OR JUST GET RID OF THEM? AND THEN ALL THAT MONEY THAT THAT THAT WOULD BE SPENT ON THEM FOR ALL THEY'RE DOING TO ME, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, IS TAXING THE LIVING CRAP OUT OF YOU.

I MEAN, I FLED NEW YORK BECAUSE OF THIS, BECAUSE OF THE HIGH TAXES AND STUFF.

AND THEN I COME HERE ONLY TO GET RAMRODDED AGAIN.

AND WHEN I WENT TO COMPLAIN ABOUT IT, I WAS BASICALLY TOLD, OH, YOU, SIR, HAVE A NICE DAY.

THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.

AND THAT WAS IT.

IT WAS, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY TO ME IT WAS LIKE A I'M SHOCKED HEARING, YOU KNOW, LIKE, OKAY.

YEAH, WE LISTEN TO YOU. SHOO SHOO SHOO FLY.

SO IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU GUYS OR MAYBE HAVE THE PEOPLE AND LITERALLY JUST HAVE A VOTE ABOUT IT TO GET RID OF THEM? TO GET RID OF WHAT, SIR? THE COUNTY.

THE COUNTY CLERK.

YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE.

LISA CULLEN, THE COUNTY CLERK.

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EXACT, YOU KNOW, TAX, TAX THING.

THERE'S GOT TO BE A MORE SIMPLE WAY TO TAX IT OR A FAIRER WAY.

SO THE THE TAXES ARE SET BY DIFFERENT MUNICIPAL ORGANIZATIONS AND THE COUNTY.

THE TAX COLLECTOR DOES THEIR JOB BY TAX.

BY COLLECTING THE TAX YOU PAY THAT TAX.

AND THEN THE PROPERTY APPRAISER IS THE ONE THAT APPRAISE YOUR PROPERTY IS APPRAISED.

RIGHT. THIS IS THE WAY IT WORKS.

AND THEN YOU HAVE EXEMPTIONS.

IF YOU ARE A HOMEOWNER HERE AND YOU ARE A FULL TIME, IF THAT'S YOUR PRIMARY RESIDENCE, THERE'S A THERE'S A EXEMPTIONS.

THERE'S EVEN BY THE STATE THAT IS ALLOWED.

THERE'S EVEN SAVE OUR HOMES ALSO THAT GOES ON ON A YEAR TO YEAR BASIS SO THAT YOU DON'T RAISE THAT TAX.

SO I MEAN MY TAX WENT WHEN I FIRST BOUGHT MY HOUSE IT WAS 1200 A YEAR.

NOW I PAY 4500.

THAT'S THAT'S QUITE A JUMP.

OKAY, WELL, I CAN'T I CAN'T SEE YOUR TEXT.

DO YOU HAVE YOUR TAX ISSUES THERE? I DON'T I DON'T HAVE IT ON ME NOW.

I JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS MEETING AT THE LAST SECOND AND I SAID, GOOD GOD, I GOT TO COME HERE.

SO THIS THIS MEETING THAT YOU PROBABLY ARE, WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S BEEN OUT IN THE COMMUNITY SAYING THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A TAX INCREASE.

IS THAT WHY YOU CAME? IS THAT. NO NO NO NO NO NO, I JUST CAME BECAUSE MY, MY ISSUE FROM LAST YEAR WAS NEVER ADDRESSED.

I THINK THERE'S GOT TO BE A WAY.

IS THERE A WAY LIKE FOR THE PEOPLE TO HAVE A VOTE TO TRY TO COME UP WITH A FAIR TAX SYSTEM? I MEAN, BECAUSE TO ME, I DON'T EXACTLY KNOW HOW HOW SOMEONE APPRAISES IT.

I THINK IT SHOULD BE DONE, WHATEVER IT IS, A DOLLAR AMOUNT UNDER, YOU KNOW, SQUARE FOOT OF YOUR HOUSE, UNDER AIR.

AND THAT SHOULD BE IT.

BECAUSE, I MEAN, I MEAN, WHAT'S GOING ON? NO, I REMEMBER YOU FROM LAST YEAR.

YEAH, I KNOW. I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON NOW.

JUST A SECOND. YES, IT'S SOMETHING I ACTUALLY WE HAVE THE SPACE COAST LEAGUE OF CITIES.

IT'S A MONTHLY MEETING WE HAVE EVERY MONTH.

BUT IT'S USUALLY REGARDING LIKE STATE, STATE ISSUES, KIND OF LIKE WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.

PROPERTY INSURANCES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

YEAH. BUT WHAT YOU'RE BASICALLY SAYING, AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEAN, IS TOO MANY CHIEFS, NOT ENOUGH INDIANS, THERE'S SO LIKE WHILE WE AS THE STATE OF FLORIDA PRIDE OURSELVES ON NO STATE TAX, EVERYBODY ELSE IS GETTING THEIR CUT SOME WAY OR ANOTHER.

OH, YOU'RE TRYING TO FIND A WAY OF HOW TO CUT OUT SOME OF THAT AND JUST HAVE IT ON THE MUNICIPALITIES.

I'M JUST SAYING THERE'S GOT TO BE A WAY TO COME UP WITH A BETTER, A BETTER WAY TO TAX PEOPLE.

YEAH, OKAY. BECAUSE TO ME IT'S LIKE, HOW EXACTLY DO THEY COME UP WITH IT? OH THAT HOUSE IS RED.

SO THIS IS GOING TO COST THIS MUCH.

WE GOT TO KEEP THE MEETING GOING.

SO BEFORE YOU LEAVE I'LL, WE'LL WE'LL GET YOUR CONTACT.

BUT I'LL BRING IT UP IN THE NEXT SPACE.

COAST LEAGUE OF CITIES MEETING, SIR.

YEAH. I'M NOT EVEN CLEAR ON UNDERSTANDING WHERE HE'S GOING.

TOTALLY. TOTALLY TRANSPARENT.

YES, SIR. I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHERE HE'S GOING.

I'VE BEEN PART OF.

YOU KNOW, HOW THIS CONVERSATION GOES.

AND AND NOT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A THERE'S A PROCESS BY THE COUNTY, RIGHT, THAT HE CAN ACTUALLY FILE IF HE'S ASSESSED TOO MUCH. RIGHT.

SO. SO HOW DID THAT WORK OUT FOR YOU? IT DID NOT WORK OUT AT ALL.

OKAY. LIKE I EXPLAINED, I WAS OKAY, BUT YOU WENT.

IT'S CALLED THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS.

DID YOU GO? I WENT THROUGH THE WHOLE.

OKAY, SO I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING HOW ACTUALLY.

OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

I WAS TOLD, YOU KNOW, THIS ONE GUY NET REAL SMUG.

YOU WANT TO GET BACK ON THE MIC FOR A SECOND? I GOT TO KEEP THIS MEETING GOING, SIR.

I KNOW I DON'T WANT I DON'T WANT TO HOLD YOU UP WITH.

WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU'RE YOU'RE SAYING A LOT A LOT.

YOU'RE GIVING US A LOT OF INFORMATION, BUT I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN WRITING.

RIGHT? SO WHAT I LIKE, I MEAN, I LIKE TO SEE WHAT I LIKE TO SEE.

RIGHT. IF YOU CAN, MAYBE WE COULD GET WITH OUR STAFF AND MAYBE DIRECT YOU IN A BETTER MANNER BECAUSE THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS, USUALLY THEY'LL MEET AND THEY YOU WENT THROUGH THAT PROCESS SO THEY DIDN'T FIND IN YOUR FAVORS WHAT I'M HEARING.

NO. AND SO THE REASON THEY DIDN'T FIND ANY FAVOR IS WHAT.

OH THEY SAID, WELL, THESE THERE WAS THEY SHOWED ME 4 TO 5 HOUSES THAT WERE SIMILAR TO MINE.

OKAY. AND THEY BASICALLY SAID, WELL, THESE HOUSES WERE RECENTLY SOLD FOR THIS.

HENCEFORTH YOU'RE GOING TO BE TAXED ON THE BASIS OF THAT.

AND THAT WAS IT. IT WAS LIKE FINISHED.

SO YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANY ANY EXEMPTIONS OR SAY, I MEAN, I HAVE THE HOMESTEAD AND STUFF, BUT LIKE I SAID, IT'S IT DOESN'T REALLY HELP.

AND ME, I'M ON DISABILITY.

I'M ON A FIXED INCOME.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE WHEN I LIVED IN NEW YORK WHERE I COULD WORK AND DO OVERTIME AND COMPENSATE FOR THIS.

NOW I GOT TO PRAY.

I GET A DECENT TAX RETURN.

OKAY, SO WHAT I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO DO, UMBERTO, WOULD I LIKE FOR YOU TO DO IS BRING IN THOSE DOCUMENTS.

OKAY? RIGHT. AND I'D LIKE FOR OUR STAFF TO LOOK AT A POSSIBLE WAY OF A WAY MOVING FORWARD.

WHAT HE WHAT OPTIONS DOES HE HAVE AT THIS POINT? I CAN CERTAINLY HAVE OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR, LARRY WOJCIECHOWSKI, CONNECT WITH THIS GENTLEMAN.

[01:25:05]

I DID LOOK UP HIS PROPERTY ACCOUNT REAL QUICK.

I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST YEAR.

SO I THINK PART OF THE ISSUE WAS THE TIMING OF WHEN HE BOUGHT HIS HOUSE AND THE APPRAISED VALUE.

THAT WAS THAT FIRST TAX BILL, BECAUSE JUST LOOKING AT THE HISTORY, THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY WAS UPDATED AFTER THE SALE.

AND THAT CAME THAT CAME INTO PLAY FOR YOUR SECOND TAX BILL, WHICH IS WHERE YOU SAW THAT INCREASE WHEN YOU BOUGHT THE PROPERTY IN 2021.

YOU'RE TALKING A HELL OF AN INCREASE.

SO AND SO THAT WAS BEFORE THE EXEMPTION.

THIS IS ALL AND THIS IS ALL AFTER THE EXEMPTIONS.

SO HE'S GOT THE DISABILITY ONE.

AND THE TWO HOMESTEAD EXEMPTIONS ARE ALREADY AT PLAY ON THE PROPERTY.

BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS THE TIMING OF THE VALUATION OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH REALLY DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING DIRECTLY TO DO WITH WITH THE CITY'S ROLE.

WE DO SET TAXES. JUST LIKE I'M NOT BLAMING YOU GUYS.

THAT'S THE PROPERTY APPRAISER.

SO IT'S ABOUT THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY, IT APPEARS.

BUT I CAN CERTAINLY THANK YOU.

YOU TALK TO HIM A LITTLE BIT. YEAH.

CAN CAN WE JUST TALK TO LARRY? THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

NEXT SPEAKER. MAYOR.

THIS CONCLUDE PUBLIC COMMENTS.

PUBLIC COMMENTS.

OKAY, WE'RE NOW ON CONSENT.

[APPROVAL OF CONSENT AGENDA:]

DEPUTY MAYOR. YES, MAYOR.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM.

WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE FOLLOWING TWO.

I HAVE AN ITEM TWO.

OKAY, WELL WE'LL GET WE'LL GET TO THAT.

THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX AND EIGHT.

WELL EIGHT PLUS EIGHT.

ONE PLUS ONE OKAY.

PLUS NUMBER ONE. NUMBER ONE.

SO 123456 AND EIGHT EIGHT.

SECOND I GOT A MOTION SIX SEVEN AND EIGHT OH.

FIVE, SIX, SEVEN AND EIGHT AS WELL.

NO, I'M JUST ONE NUMBER ONE ONE.

OKAY, SO IT'S ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX AND EIGHT.

OKAY, OKAY.

SECOND, I GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

ALL IN FAVOR? DID YOU WANT TO? DID YOU WANT TO SHARE ANYTHING? ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I, I PASSES THREE ZERO.

OKAY, WE'RE NOW ON PUBLIC PUBLIC HEARINGS.

[PUBLIC HEARINGS:]

DID YOU DID YOU NEED TO SAY ANYTHING? MR. ATTORNEY? NOTHING ON CONSENT. SAY AGAIN.

WE HAVE NOTHING ON CONSENT.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

WE'RE NOW ON PUBLIC HEARINGS.

NUMBER ONE, MISS EDWARDS.

AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

ORDINANCE 2024 DASH 28, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE FISCAL YEAR 2024 BUDGET BY APPROPRIATING AND ALLOCATING FUNDS AS IDENTIFIED IN EXHIBIT A, CONSISTING OF FIVE PAGES, AND INCORPORATING IN ITS ENTIRETY HEREIN.

RECOGNIZING THAT SUCH APPROPRIATIONS MUST BE MADE PURSUANT TO THE CODE OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY.

CHAPTER 35 ADOPTING, RATIFYING, CONFIRMING, AND VALIDATING THE ALLOCATIONS.

PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS EDWARDS.

I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK MISS SHERMAN TO PRESENT THE CASE OR PRESENT HER REQUEST.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. THIS IS THE THIRD BUDGET AMENDMENT AND THE FINAL READING, SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? ITEM NUMBER ONE. PUBLIC HEARING.

SEEING NONE, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK FOR A MOTION.

GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER TWO, MR. EDWARDS. ORDINANCE 2024 DASH 29, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, VACATING AND ABANDONING A PORTION OF THE REAR TEN FOOT PUBLIC UTILITY AND DRAINAGE EASEMENT LOCATED WITHIN LOT 26, BLOCK 1709, PORT MALABAR.

UNIT 36 ACCORDING TO THE PLAT THEREOF, AS RECORDED IN PLAT BOOK 19, PAGE 87 OF THE PUBLIC RECORDS OF BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED HEREIN, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MISS STEPHANIE.

[01:30:02]

HI THERE.

I'M STEPHANIE TENNISON, 1275 SCOTTISH STREET, SOUTHWEST.

I AM JUST REQUESTING TO VACATE A PORTION OF THE REAR EASEMENT.

THANK YOU. MA'AM.

COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

I WILL SEE YOU AGAIN SOON.

I GOT TO DO THE VARIANCE NEXT.

COPY THAT. MA'AM. MADAM SHERMAN, ANYTHING YOU WANT TO WEIGH IN? NO, SIR. THANK YOU.

OKAY. ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASKING FOR A MOTION.

GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR OF FELIX, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, ALL OF YOU.

YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU.

ITEM NUMBER THREE, MR. EDWARDS, ORDINANCE 2024 DASH 30, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY, BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, VACATING AND ABANDONING A PORTION OF THE REAR 20 FOOT PUBLIC UTILITY AND DRAINAGE EASEMENT LOCATED WITHIN LOT 21, BLOCK 310, PORT MALABAR, UNIT NUMBER TEN, ACCORDING TO THE PLAT THEREOF AS RECORDED IN PLAT BOOK 15, PAGE 16 OF THE PUBLIC RECORDS OF BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED HEREIN, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT THEIR CASE.

GOOD EVENING. I'M JOSE TAVARES SPEAKING.

THE MIC, SIR. SORRY.

YES, I APPLIED FOR FOR FOR THE EASEMENT FOR TO BUILD SHED OF 12, 12 BY BY 20FT.

OKAY. AND YOU APPLIED FOR THAT VACATING FOR WHAT'S THE REASON TO BUILD A.

YEP. OKAY.

THANK YOU. I DIDN'T GET THAT PART.

OKAY. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? COUNCIL? THANK YOU.

ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? WHEN YOU SCRATCH YOUR HEAD MASTER CHIEF, I.

OKAY. I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK FOR A MOTION.

SO MOVED. SECOND, GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING I.

CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. YOU TOO.

WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.

MR. ATTORNEY, MR. EDWARDS. RESOLUTION 2024, DASH 25, GRANTING OF A REVOCABLE LICENSE TO ALLOW FOR THE INSTALLATION AND MAINTENANCE OF A DRAINAGE PIPE WITH CLEAN OUT TEA WITHIN A WITHIN A PUBLIC DRAINAGE RIGHT OF WAY.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT THEIR CASE.

I OWN PLEASE SPEAK IN THE MIX.

ALL RIGHT. SO I HAVE THREE STANDARD LOTS.

THERE'S A DITCH THAT THE CITY OWNS, THE PROPERTY THAT SEPARATES.

CAN YOU RAISE THAT UP OR.

YEAH. YES, SIR. SO THERE'S A DITCH THAT SEPARATES THE ONE OF THE LOTS FROM MY OTHER TWO.

THEY DOWNSTREAM PIPE IS HIGHER THAN THE UPSTREAM PIPE, WHICH CAUSES WATER TO SIT IN THAT DITCH.

AND I MAINTAIN IT, I MOW IT AND THAT SORT OF THING.

AND I'D LIKE TO PUT A PIPE IN SO THAT I CAN COVER IT OVER AND IN ORDER.

I HAVE TO ACCESS MY PROPERTY AT THE MOMENT.

I HAVE TO WALK ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE STREET AND BACK UP, AND I'D LIKE TO COVER IT OVER SO THAT I CAN JUST GO FROM ONE GATE EXIT TO ANOTHER GATE.

I'M A YEAH, I FOUND THIS INTERESTING.

ARE YOU GOING TO PIPE IT AND YOU'RE GOING TO COVER IT UP? THAT'S HUGE.

I'M A RARE FRUIT TREE COLLECTOR, AND SO I HAVE FILLED THE LOT FULL OF RARE FRUIT TREES, AND I SPEND A LOT OF TIME OUT THERE.

IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ME.

THAT EXPLAINS IT. I WAS LOOKING AT THE MAP AND SAW THAT I SAW PLANTS OF SOME SORT THERE.

SO THOSE ARE FRUIT TREES? YEAH. ALL RIGHT, RARE ONES.

COPY THAT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

ANY ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? YOU GOT MANGO TREES? 35 OF THEM.

35 MANGO TREES.

YES. YEAH. WE LOVE MANGOES.

THERE'S A LOT OF MANGO LOVERS OUT THERE.

HE'S GOT FRUIT TREES, MANGOES.

AND WHAT? OTHER TREES? THE LIST IS LONG. THERE'S A LIST THERE ALL NIGHT.

YEAH, YEAH. COPY THAT.

THAT'S AWESOME. SIR. THAT'S AWESOME.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO.

IS THERE ANYONE IN THIS AUDIENCE THAT.

STEP RIGHT UP, SIR. GO AHEAD AND SIT.

SIT DOWN IN CASE WE NEED YOU TO COME BACK UP.

ALL RIGHT, SIR? BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

[01:35:05]

I'VE GOT FOUR QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE.

THE FIRST ONE IS WHAT'S GOING TO BE THE PERCENTAGE OF DECREASE IN CAPACITY OF THE PIPE, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING FROM A FOUR FOOT OPEN SWELL TO A 24 INCH PIPE.

WHAT'S GOING TO BE THE REDUCTION IN THE AMOUNT OF FLOW THAT WE GET GOING THROUGH THAT DITCH TO THE OUTFLOW? I QUESTION NUMBER TWO, WHAT IS THE RATIONALE FOR THE PIPE? AND HE EXPLAINED THE RATIONALE SO HE COULD GET FROM ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY TO THE OTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE SWELL? I UNDERSTAND THAT.

RIGHT. I QUESTION NUMBER THREE, ARE THE AFFECTED NEIGHBORS IN FAVOR OF THIS, OR DO THEY EVEN KNOW THAT THEIR NEIGHBOR IS PLANNING ON FILLING THE SWELL IN BETWEEN THEM AND THEIR HOUSE BECAUSE HE OWNS PROPERTY? ON ONE SIDE, THERE'S ANOTHER RESIDENT ON ONE ON THE SOUTH SIDE, AND THEN HE OWNS THE SOUTH SIDE, OTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY ALONG THIS SWELL.

SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF HOW IT WAS GOING TO IMPACT ON THEM.

IT MIGHT BE THEY DON'T WANT IT.

THEY DO WANT IT. WELL, AND I'M ONLY QUESTIONING THIS.

I UNDERSTAND WHOLEHEARTEDLY WHAT HE'S TRYING TO DO.

IF IT WAS MINE, I WOULD DO THE SAME.

BUT I'M JUST QUESTIONING BECAUSE THAT MEANS WILL THAT GIVE HIM THE RIGHT TO BUILD FENCES ACROSS IT? WILL IT GIVE RIGHTS TO TO BLOCK IN? THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS THEY'RE SAYING BECAUSE IT'S HE'S MODIFIED THE ABILITY THERE.

RIGHT. AND OR DOES THAT EASEMENT STILL REMAIN OPEN AS DRAINAGE SWELL.

RIGHT. AND THE LAST QUESTION IS THIS GOING TO BECOME THE NORM WHERE EVERYONE FILLS IN THEIR SWELLS JUST BECAUSE IT'S A CONVENIENCE.

SO WE HAVE FOUR FOOT SWELLS THAT ALLOW A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF CAPACITY.

IF EVERYBODY FILLS IT IN WITH A PIPE, WE'VE REDUCED THAT SWELL AND WE'RE ALREADY IN THAT OUTFALL AND WE ALREADY HAVE A DRAINAGE PROBLEM.

SO I'M JUST QUESTIONING THE PROCESS.

IS IT GOING TO GET OUT OF CONTROL? IS IT GOING TO GENERATE MORE PEOPLE SAYING, I WANT TO JUST FILL IN MY SWELL BECAUSE IT'S CONVENIENCE FOR ME.

I UNDERSTAND THERE WILL BE A PIPE THERE, BUT THAT'S NOT THE SAME THING AS A FOUR FOOT SWELL THAT YOU CAN GET THE WATER EIGHT FEET DEEP IN.

RIGHT. I ALSO UNDERSTAND WHY HE WANTS TO GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B WITHOUT HAVING TO GO AROUND.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

I WOULD IMAGINE, MR. CHIEF, I WOULD THINK THIS IS COSTLY.

I'LL ASK THAT QUESTION, BUT MADAM SHERMAN DO YOU HAVE ANY OF THOSE TECHNICAL QUESTIONS? I CAN SPEAK TO A COUPLE.

SO IT ACTUALLY, THIS IS NOT A SWALE, BUT IT'S A LOT LIKE A DITCH, SO IT'S ONE THAT GOES BETWEEN ALL THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND CONNECTS, LIKE, BETWEEN TWO ROADS ON EITHER SIDE.

SO IT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF DITCH CANAL STRUCTURE.

OUR ENGINEERS REVIEW THE SIZE OF THE PIPE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CAPACITY OF THE PIPE IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE SURROUNDING DRAINAGE SYSTEM.

SO THEY LOOK AT THAT BEFORE THAT GETS APPROVED.

NO. FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS, BECAUSE IT'S STILL OUR DRAINAGE RIGHT OF WAY, WE WOULD NOT PERMIT OR ALLOW FENCES TO BE INSTALLED ON TOP OF IT.

THERE'S MAINTENANCE CONCERNS WITH THAT, SO WE'D HAVE TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THE PIPE AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE IF WE NEEDED TO, EVEN THOUGH THERE IS A CLEAN OUT PORTION OF THIS. SO I THINK THOSE ARE THE ANSWERS I CAN GIVE.

I DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION OF WHETHER THE ONE NEIGHBOR HAS CONCERNS OR NOT.

OKAY. WOULD YOU DO YOU HAVE AN ANSWER REGARDING YOUR NEIGHBOR, SIR, OR ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO ADD? YEAH, THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY AWARE THAT I'M IN THE PROCESS OF THIS.

I LOVE MY NEIGHBORS.

THEY'RE ALWAYS GIVING FRUIT WHENEVER I HAVE ACCESS.

SO THEY THEY HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH IT.

THEY HAVE MORE OF A PROBLEM WITH THE WITH THE DITCH HOLDING WATER ALL THE TIME.

AND THE MOSQUITOES THAT COME ALONG WITH IT.

LIKE I SAID, I MAINTAIN THAT DITCH AND THE THE PIPE SIZE THAT THEY'RE HAVING ME INSTALL IS GREATER THAN THE UPSTREAM PIPE IN DIAMETER.

IT APPEARS TO ME, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IT'S A IT'S A COSTLY INVESTMENT.

I'M AWARE. I'M BORN AND RAISED HERE.

I PLANTED A LOT OF SEEDS IN THAT YARD THAT I DON'T INTEND TO EVER LEAVE.

AND SO IT'S WORTH IT.

AND SO YOUR NEIGHBORS ARE AWARE OF THIS, AND YOU'VE ACTUALLY GIVEN THEM MANGOES? THAT I UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY.

THEY PREFER THE BANANAS OVER THE MANGOES.

OH, MAN. BANANAS TOO.

YEAH. THAT'S. SO I WOULD LIKE TO JUST SAY A THING ABOUT NOT BEING ALLOWED TO PUT MY FENCE ACROSS THAT DITCH, WHICH BOTHERS ME A BIT, BUT YOU KNOW, TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHY THE CITY WOULD NOT WANT TO VACATE THAT EASEMENT.

BUT AS I WOULD BELIEVE THAT THERE HAS TO BE SOME WAY TO PUT A ROLLING GATE SO THAT THE CITY COULD ACCESS THAT THAT PROPERTY WHENEVER NEEDED.

YOU KNOW, I REALLY AM JUST TRYING TO PREVENT THEFT FROM MY YARD.

I ALREADY HAVE PEOPLE PRIOR TO PUTTING ONE FENCE ALONG THE ROAD, HELPING THEMSELVES AS AS YOU WOULD NOW.

SO I BELIEVE SO.

UNDERSTOOD, MADAM SHERMAN.

THAT'S SOMETHING I HAVE TO TALK TO STAFF ABOUT.

[01:40:01]

I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE EXPLORED THAT.

IF ANYONE'S TALKED TO HIM ABOUT THAT BEFORE TONIGHT.

YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S NOT SOMETHING I'M PREPARED TO SPEAK TO.

OKAY. SO WE'RE WE CAN'T WE CAN'T GRANT THAT.

WELL, RIGHT HERE.

OKAY. YEAH. RIGHT HERE. YEAH.

RIGHT HERE. WE WE CAN'T GRANT THAT RIGHT HERE.

ALL RIGHT, SIR, ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT.

ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK? YES, SIR. WELL, NO, I JUST.

YEAH. YEAH, THAT WAS THAT WAS.

YES, SIR. AND READING THE RESOLUTION HERE AND UNDERSTANDING HIS HIS PREDICAMENT.

I JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHY HIS ADDRESS IS NOT LISTED HERE.

I'D LIKE TO BECOME HIS NEIGHBOR.

OKAY. COPY THAT SIR.

ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK FOR A MOTION.

SO MOVED SECOND.

GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

AYE. AYE. PASSES THREE ZERO.

I KNOW THIS GENTLEMAN.

YES, I AM I OKAY.

ALL RIGHT SIR. I WOULD LIKE IF WE COULD JUST IF STAFF COULD LOOK INTO THAT FOR THEM BECAUSE.

YEAH. RIGHT. RIGHT BEFORE HE LEAVES.

GO, GO AHEAD AND THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN.

JOHNSON. SO WE'RE WE'RE NOW ON ITEMS FROM CONSENT.

[CONSIDERATION OF ITEMS REMOVED FROM CONSENT AGENDA:]

WE'RE ON ITEM NUMBER ONE.

DEP OR COUNCILMAN JOHNSON? YES, MAYOR.

MAYOR. THANK YOU.

AND MR. BARBER MIGHT BE ABLE TO TALK TO IT A LITTLE BIT.

IT'S REGARDING TIMOTHY ROSE CONTRACTING, AND I'M TYING IT INTO PROCUREMENT AS WELL.

AND I'VE TALKED ON THIS A FEW TIMES, AND I'M GOING BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN CHANGE ORDERS.

BUT WHEN YOU GO FORWARD TO THE PROCUREMENT ITEM AT THE VERY BOTTOM IT TALKS ABOUT.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A 40% INCREASE IN TOTAL FOR THE CHANGE ORDERS OF APPROXIMATELY, ALMOST A LITTLE MORE THAN 2 MILLION.

OKAY, OKAY. SORRY, I'M BOUNCING BACK AND FORTH.

I'M JUST FOR THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.

SORRY. SO.

ALL RIGHT, LET ME LET ME START OVER I APOLOGIZE.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT.

SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING TO AWARD THE LOWEST BIDDER.

CORRECT. ALL RIGHT, TIMOTHY ROSE.

BUT I'M ALSO FAST FORWARDING.

WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT A CHANGE ORDER NUMBER FIVE FOR TIMOTHY ROSE, WHICH WHEN YOU ADD UP ALL FIVE CHANGE ORDERS, THAT'S OVER $2 MILLION.

YES, SIR. IF YOU IF YOU ADD THAT UP TO THE LOWEST BIDDER, WHICH THEY ARE.

THAT MAKES THEM THE HIGHEST BIDDER.

SO MY QUESTION I KNOW, I'M LIKE, OH, ROLL UP THE SLEEVES.

IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO LEGISLATIVE WISE TO CHANGE IT WHERE WE DON'T HAVE TO AWARD IT TO THE LOWEST BIDDER OR A WAY TO KIND OF.

I KNOW WE CAN'T REALLY MANAGE THE CHANGE ORDERS, BUT I'M LOOKING AT SOME OF THE CHANGE ORDERS, AND TO ME, FPNL SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR SOME OF THEM, IN MY OPINION.

BUT, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL, YOU'RE THE SUBJECT EXPERT.

I'M JUST TRYING TO LOOK AT HOW WE CAN BE A LITTLE MORE EFFICIENT BECAUSE TIME AFTER TIME, I'M SEEING LOW BIDDERS GET IT.

AND THEN WE HAVE CHANGEOVER, CHANGEOVER, CHANGE ORDER, CHANGE ORDER TO THE POINT WHERE THEY'RE NOT THE LOWEST BIDDER ANYMORE.

THEY ACTUALLY END UP BEING THE HIGHEST BIDDER.

NOW THE HIGHEST BIDDER. THAT SAME THING CAN HAPPEN TOO.

I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I'M JUST SEEING A TREND.

SO HELP ME OUT, BROTHER.

HELP ME. SO I GUESS FROM A PROCUREMENT PERSPECTIVE WHAT WE LIKE TO DO IS WE LIKE TO ASSESS THEM INDEPENDENTLY.

SO WITH RESPECT TO ASSESSING CHANGE ORDERS, WE COULDN'T DO THAT FOR THIS CONSENT AGENDA, ITEM NUMBER ONE.

BUT LIKE WE SPOKE ABOUT BEFORE MY JOB IS TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY PATTERNS FOR CHANGE ORDERS FOR EACH PROJECT, WHICH WE'RE ACTIVELY LOOKING AT.

AND WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY.

SO EVERY CHANGE ORDER, AS YOU KNOW, IS APPROVED BY STAFF.

WE REVIEW IT.

WITH RESPECT TO WHATEVER IT MAY BE PRESENTED WITH.

AND FOR THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, WE COULDN'T WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO STAND ON, IF YOU WILL.

SO I WISH THAT WE COULD SAY SOMETHING DIFFERENT, BUT THE CHANGE ORDERS ARE THAT.

AND FOR I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH ITEM IS FOR THE CHANGE ORDER NUMBER FIVE.

THAT'S A NEW BUSINESS.

YEAH, RIGHT. SO WE REALLY COULDN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THAT ONE AS FAR AS TRYING TO NOT AWARD THE LOW BIDDER FOR CONSENT.

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE.

OKAY, SORRY.

AND I KNOW THEY'RE TWO SEPARATE ITEMS, BUT SAME COMPANY.

SO I THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WHY I WANTED TO ASK THE QUESTION NOW BEFORE WE APPROVE IT AND THEN MOVE ON TO THE IT'S VERY VALID.

AND LIKE WE SPOKE ABOUT PREVIOUSLY WE'RE LOOKING INTO IT.

OKAY. I JUST I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO ASCERTAIN ANY PATTERNS FOR WHY THOSE CHANGE ORDERS ARE BEING PRESENTED TO US.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

WELL, I'M GOOD MAYOR. THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

YES, SIR. I NEED A MOTION.

SO MOVED. SECOND, GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER TWO.

TWO. MR. BATON. MASTER CHIEF.

BILL BATTEN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

[01:45:03]

I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE.

THE FIRST ONE, WILL THERE BE A FIRE? EMERGENCY TRAFFIC LIGHT MAKING FOR EASY EXIT COMING OUT ON PALM BAY ROAD WITH THIS ONE.

I DIDN'T SEE IT WHEN I WAS LOOKING THROUGH THE PRELIMINARIES.

AND QUESTION NUMBER TWO, WILL THE AND THIS KIND OF COINCIDES IN EXACTLY WITH THE CHANGE ORDERS THAT WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT.

WELL, THE CONTRACT HAVE A CLAUSE NOT TO EXCEED THE 8 MILLION, 8,072,000, BECAUSE YOU ALREADY INCLUDED A 10% OVERRUN CLAUSE IN YOUR CONTRACT WHEN YOU MADE IT.

SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE THE MAXIMUM ALREADY.

NOW THEY'RE SAYING WHEN WE REACH THAT, OH, WELL, I'M JUST GOING TO SAY I NEED MORE.

IT'S A PERSON JUST SAID IT TO ME, ARE THEY WORKING THE SYSTEM WHERE YOU ALWAYS CAN KEEP OVERRUN, OVERRUN, OVERRUN.

AND THEY HAVE TO KEEP DOING IT BECAUSE WE COMMITTED, INSTEAD OF MAYBE MAKING OUR CONTRACTS LIKE OLD DONALD TRUMP WOULD SAY, IF YOU FAIL TO MEET YOUR CONTRACT, YOU PAY ME INSTEAD OF ME PAYING YOU MORE MONEY.

OKAY, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN DO THAT.

SO LET'S DON'T HAVE THEIR CONTRACT EXCEED THE EIGHT POINT THE $8 MILLION AND THEN PROCEED WITH THE FIRE STATION.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIRMAN.

THANK YOU SIR. YES? THERE WILL BE AN EMERGENCY TRAFFIC LIGHT INSTALLED ON THAT EXISTING MAST ARM THAT'S OUT THERE.

YEAH. CERTAINLY IT'S NORMAL FOR US TO INCLUDE A 10% CONTINGENCY ON THE BUDGETS FOR THESE PROJECTS.

BUT IF YOU'D LIKE TO ASK OUR CHIEF PROCUREMENT OFFICER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON IT, CERTAINLY WE CAN BRING HIM UP BY STATE UP FRONT.

THANK YOU. SO, DID YOU GET THE QUESTION? SORRY. I'M SORRY, I JUST.

DID YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW.

SO WHAT? SO WHAT HE WAS ASKING IS IS THERE ANY WAY IN THE CONTRACT TO ENSURE THAT THEY DON'T DOESN'T GO OVER 8.072. ASIDE FROM THE 10% CONTINGENCY.

SORRY. SO, YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY CLAUSES THAT WOULD HAVE IT TO EXCEED IT.

IT'S JUST THE EXPECTATION THAT THE CONTRACT IS GOING TO PERFORM THE WORK AS SOLICITED WELL WITHIN THE PRICE THAT THEY SUBMITTED FOR THEIR PROPOSAL.

SO WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING CONTRACTUALLY THAT WOULD SAY THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO NOT EXCEED IT IS JUST 10%.

SO THEN THAT MIGHT BE A CITY ATTORNEY.

QUESTION IS, IS THERE ANYTHING STOPPING US FROM HAVING LANGUAGE LIKE THAT OR, YOU KNOW, THE STATE OR.

NO. WE'RE FINE. I MEAN, YOU CAN CONTRACT WHEN YOU'RE MAKING YOUR YOUR DEAL OR WHATEVER YOU'RE NEGOTIATING WITH THEM.

YOU CAN PUT THAT INTO THERE.

SO WE CAN PUT IT IN THERE.

SO FROM A PROCUREMENT PERSPECTIVE, YEAH.

IT'S I WOULD SAY IT'S UNCOMMON BECAUSE YOU WANT TO BE AS COMPETITIVE AS YOU CAN BE.

OKAY. I'VE SEEN IT WHERE YOU CAN PUT A CAP AS FAR AS YOU WON'T EXCEED A BUDGET AMOUNT.

BUT TRYING TO REMAIN COMPETITIVE.

AND FOR WHAT THEY ORIGINALLY SOLICITED, WHICH WE COULDN'T NEGOTIATE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO JUST ADHERE TO THE PRICE THAT THEY SUBMITTED.

OKAY. IF THAT ANSWERS IT FOR YOU.

SORRY. YOU GOT THE WHEELS TURNING NOW.

NO. SO I GO AHEAD.

THE WAY I'M TRACKING IT IS, IS YOU WANT YOU WANT COMPANIES TO BE COMPETITIVE IN THAT IN THAT PROCESS AND YOU DON'T WANT TO TIE THEIR HANDS IN THAT AS WELL.

SO THE COMPANIES ARE GOING TO BUILD THEIR REPUTATION ON IF THEY COULD STAY ON COURSE OR NOT.

SO IF I'M HEARING YOU CORRECTLY THAT'S PART OF THE COMPETITION.

THAT'S PART OF THE COMPETITIVE EDGE.

I HEAR YOU CORRECTLY.

YES, SIR. BARBER. YES, SIR.

OKAY. BUT I'M I'M TORN.

MAYOR. BECAUSE I'M. I'M THINKING BACK.

YOU REMEMBER FLAWLESS THAT COMPANY.

AND THEN SOMEBODY JUST OUTBID THEM BY LIKE $1,000.

THEY, THEY UNDERCUT THEM PRETTY MUCH.

AND I REMEMBER THAT WITH A FIREWORKS.

YEAH. FLAWLESS. THAT'S CORRECT.

YEAH. BUT YOU, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

AND THEY UNDERCUT ON THEM AND MIKE CRAMS HIS MOM CAME UP LIKE HEY, LIKE WE USUALLY WE'RE DOING IT.

SOMEBODY UNDERCUT HIM BY A THOUSAND.

AND SO THAT'S.

IT'S A LOT. IT'S A LOT.

I SEE IT CAN BE IMPROVED.

MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING JUST YOU AND THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

I DON'T WANT TO DO A BAIT AND SWITCH RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE ALREADY HERE.

BUT IT IS SOMETHING OF CONCERN.

MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND PROCUREMENT CAN LOOK INTO FOR FUTURE CONTRACTS.

OR JUST IF YOU WOULD LIKE US TO LOOK INTO THE VIABILITY OF PUTTING SOME KIND OF CLAUSE IN OUR CONTRACTS THAT IT WOULDN'T EXCEED A CERTAIN AMOUNT.

YEAH. OR, YOU KNOW, WE GO AHEAD.

YEAH. BUT SEE WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.

THEN AT THE LAST MINUTE, SOMEONE WILL UNDERCUT HIM UNDERCUT THE, THE, THE LOWEST BID FOR WHATEVER REASON.

ON ON THAT. SO MAYBE WHAT I SUGGEST COUNCILMAN JOHNSON IS PERHAPS HAVE, YOU KNOW, OFFLINE DISCUSSIONS ON WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD WORK ON.

AND THEN YOU BRING IT BACK TO TO THE REST OF THE COUNCIL.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD RESOLVE FOR THAT.

THAT WAY YOU GUYS GET ON THE SAME PAGE ON WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE.

IS THAT COOL? YES, SIR.

DO YOU PLAY BASEBALL?

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I KNOW YOU'RE A FOOTBALL PLAYER.

I PLAY AT ANDRETTI.

OH. ALL RIGHT.

JUST. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.

THAT'S NEW FOR ME. I'M JUST PLAYING FOOTBALL IS ALL I GOT, THAT'S ALL.

ALL RIGHT, SO I NEED A MOTION, SO GO AHEAD.

THANK YOU. GENTLEMEN. WANT TO SAY, WELL, NO, THIS THIS IS THIS IS A CONSENT ITEM.

WE CAN'T. YEAH.

ALL RIGHT. SO MOVED. I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

DID YOU? YEAH.

DID I HEAR YOU RIGHT? OKAY.

WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER THREE.

DEPUTY MAYOR, MR. BATTEN. THESE CONSENT ITEMS ARE PULLED.

BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE.

THE FIRST ONE, WHAT ARE WE GETTING FOR A HALF $1 MILLION? I READ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THEIR OVERALL COVERAGE WAS, BUT I DIDN'T SEE A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT WE WERE ACTUALLY BUYING FOR THAT HALF $1 MILLION, RIGHT? NUMBER TWO, I FIND IT STRANGE THAT ZIP CODE 3232907 HAD AN EXTRA HALF $1 MILLION TO MAKE THIS PURCHASE WITH, YET YOU USE $2 MILLION OF THE OF 32908 FUND TO BUILD A BRIDGE IN THE SAME AREA.

SO I'M GOING BACK TO WHERE THE NEXUS OF ONE AREA WAS USING THE FRONT FRONTS FROM ANOTHER ONE.

SO IF THEY HAD THIS MONEY ALREADY AVAILABLE, WHY DID YOU TAKE THE MONEY OUT OF 32908 AND PUT IT IN 32907? SO THAT'S WHERE I'M QUESTIONING IT.

SO THAT'S A QUESTION NUMBER TWO.

THE OTHER ONE IS WHAT ARE WE GETTING FOR THAT HALF $1 MILLION.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIRMAN.

FIRST OF ALL THIS PROJECT IS FUNDED USING GENERAL FUND.

IT IS NOT AN IMPACT FEE FUNDED ITEM BECAUSE IT'S A PLAYGROUND REPLACEMENT.

SO IT'S JUST GENERAL FUND THAT'S PAYING FOR IT.

REGARDING THE ACTUAL SCOPE OF THE PLAYGROUND, I WOULD HAVE TO ACTUALLY ASK OUR ASSISTANT PARKS AND FACILITIES DIRECTOR, STEVE WHITTON, TO PROVIDE MORE DETAILS.

I CAN ONLY TELL YOU WHAT IT SAYS IN THE MEMO.

IT'S A FULLY ACCESSIBLE ADA PLAYGROUND.

BUT IF YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE HIM COME UP AND GIVE YOU MORE DETAILS, WE COULD DO THAT.

STEVE. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING.

I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN VERBALLY GO THROUGH EVERY DETAIL IN A DRAWING, BUT I'D BE.

WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO SHARE WHAT WAS SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE EVALUATION OF AWARD.

THIS IS NOT AN ADA ACCESSIBLE PLAYGROUND.

I JUST WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR.

THIS IS 100% ADA ACCESSIBLE PLAYGROUND.

SO IT DOESN'T JUST HAVE FEATURES AND FIXTURES IN IT TO MAKE IT ADA ACCESSIBLE.

ALL COMPONENTS OF THE PLAYGROUND ARE ADA.

AS FAR AS IT'S A REPLACEMENT, WHICH REPLACES WHAT'S THERE WITH MORE FEATURES THAT WOULD BE ACCESSIBLE FOR CHILDREN.

THE PLAYGROUND HAS REACHED THE END OF ITS USEFUL LIFE.

IT HAS REPAIRS TO IT THAT ARE WE ARE UNABLE TO FIND CORRECT PARTS.

BUT I BUT I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SHARE WHAT WAS SUBMITTED.

AND BECAUSE WE DID ASK FOR DRAWINGS AND CUT SHEETS OFF OF THE PLAYGROUND THAT WAS SUBMITTED, THIS WAS A COMPETITIVE AWARD, NOT A LOW BID AWARD.

IT WAS SENT THROUGH AN EVALUATION.

SO THE INTENT THERE WAS TO GET THE BEST CONTRACTOR, THE BEST AWARD AND THE BEST PRODUCT THAT MET OUR SPECIFICATIONS.

THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME.

OKAY, I NEED A MOTION.

GOT. HIM. POINT OF ORDER.

DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER PULL FOR THAT? MR. MILES, I'M SORRY, I APOLOGIZE.

THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING. I'M DOCTOR ALAN MILES, 350 GARVIE ROAD, SOUTHWEST PALM BAY, 32909.

I LIVE NEAR A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK THAT HAD AN OLDER PLAYGROUND THAT WAS TO BE REPLACED, SIMILAR TO WHAT THIS GENTLEMAN JUST STATED.

A BACKHOE DEMOLISHED IT AND A FEW HOURS ONE DAY IT WAS FINE.

THE NEXT DAY WAS A PIECE OF SCRAP OR A PILE OF SCRAP.

CAN WE SEE IF ANY OF THE PLAYGROUND IS STILL USABLE AND DONATED TO A CHURCH OR A SCHOOL, INSTEAD OF PUTTING IT IN A SCRAP HEAP? IS THIS THE FATE OF WHAT THE PLAYGROUND IS? I REALIZE NOW HE SAYS IT'S IN SOMEWHAT DISREPAIR.

I KNOW THE PLAYGROUND THAT WAS NEAR ME WAS NOT IN THAT BAD OF SHAPE.

AND WITH A LITTLE BIT OF WORK AND MAYBE SOME WELDING $100,000 PLAYGROUND PROBABLY IS WORTH SOMETHING TO SOMEBODY SOMEWHERE.

AND MAYBE WE COULD LOOK INTO THAT.

OR MAYBE THAT GENTLEMAN COULD TELL US IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT IS SALVAGEABLE, EVEN IF IT'S JUST A SLIDE FOR A DAYCARE OR A SWING SET FOR A DAYCARE.

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COME ON. YES. COME ON UP.

I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK INTO THE DETAILS, BUT SOME GENERAL INFORMATION ON PLAYGROUNDS AND REUSING OF THE EQUIPMENT.

THE CONSUMER PRODUCT SAFETY COMMISSION THE CON.

I'M SORRY. CONSUMER PRODUCT SAFETY COMMISSION.

THERE'S SEVERAL STANDARDS THAT GOVERN PLAYGROUNDS, AND THEY CHANGE RAPIDLY OVER THE YEARS.

THE MAIN CONCERNS BEING STRANGULATION HAVE COME UP LATELY HAS BEEN A BIG IMPROVEMENT.

AND THE POINT I'M TRYING TO GET TO IS, ALTHOUGH IT MAY APPEAR TO BE IN DISREPAIR, I DON'T KNOW THAT ANOTHER PROPERTY OWNER WOULD TAKE IT OVER WITHOUT SOME SORT OF LEVEL OF LIABILITY FOR INSTALLING SOMETHING THAT HAD BEEN OUTDATED.

WHEN CODES CHANGE, THERE ARE GRANDFATHER CLAUSES, AND SOMETIMES THERE ARE CORRECTIONS TO AVOID NEW PROBLEMS THAT ARE OCCUR OR STUDIED BY CONSUMER PRODUCT SAFETY COMMISSION AS AN EXAMPLE.

SO WE'D HAVE TO LOOK ON THAT AS A CASE BY CASE BASIS.

BUT THERE MAY BE COMPONENTS OF A PLAYGROUND.

BUT I WOULD I WOULD I WOULD DOUBTFULLY SAY THAT THE ENTIRE PLAYGROUND OR PLAY EQUIPMENT SET WOULD BE COMPLETELY SALVAGEABLE.

SO. UNDERSTOOD.

SO IF I'M UNDERSTANDING YOU CORRECTLY, WE COULD BE LIABLE IF WE PASS THAT ON.

WHETHER EVEN THE PARTS SALVAGEABLE PART MAY.

YEAH. WE COULD PASS ON PARTS TO PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT.

GRAVEYARDS. THEY HAVE GRAVEYARDS FOR SOME MANUFACTURERS, BUT TO PRESENT IT TO AN OWNER AS ACCEPTABLE TO INSTALL AND USE MAY BE DIFFICULT. UNDERSTOOD.

DID I ANSWER THE QUESTION? OR AT LEAST. YES, SIR.

YES, SIR. THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE YOU COMING UP.

VERY WELCOME. I NEED A MOTION.

SO. OR IS IT? NO, I THINK WE'RE GOOD. OKAY.

ALRIGHT. SECOND.

GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

WE'RE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

DEPUTY MAYOR, MR. BATTEN. BILL BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

I'M LOOKING AT THE COST OF THIS OF $3 MILLION.

$3 MILLION FOR CONSULTING GROUP FOR A ROAD FOR SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY WIDENING.

AND WE'RE AND WHY I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THIS IS BECAUSE COMING UP LATER IN THE IN THE AGENDA, WE'VE GOT A MASSIVE, MASSIVE 40% OVERRUN BY BECAUSE OF PLANNING FOR CONSULTING GROUPS.

AND SO IF WE HAVE OVERRUN, WELL, IT'S LIKE I JUST SAID PREVIOUSLY, IT'S LIKE PEOPLE ARE PLAYING THE SYSTEM KNOWING, OH, YOU'RE THE CITY, YOU'LL HAVE TAX MONEY.

IT'S NOT YOUR MONEY. WHAT DO YOU CARE? KEEP PAYING IT.

SO IT'S A 33.

$2 MILLION JUST FOR CONSULTING PLAN.

THAT MIGHT CHANGE 15 TIMES BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.

THAT'S WHY I'M A LITTLE BIT WORRIED ABOUT IT.

BUT THE OTHER THING THAT COINCIDES WITH THIS ONE IS WE'RE WORRYING ABOUT THE CONCERN OF THIS WIDENING OF THE SAINT JOHNS HERITAGE PARKWAY EVEN BEFORE WE'VE COMPLETED, AFTER SPENDING MILLIONS AND MILLIONS AND MILLIONS, WE'RE UP TO 4 MILLION, BY THE WAY, ON MALABAR ROAD WITHOUT ANYTHING BEING ACCOMPLISHED ON IT.

SO WE'RE SPENDING MONEY AND PLANNING, BUT WE'RE NOT SEEING ANY FORWARD MOTION IN ACCOMPLISHMENT OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE ITSELF.

A WHOLE BUNCH OF CONSULTING FIRMS ARE GETTING RICH, BUT WE'RE NOT GETTING ANYTHING.

THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION, AND THAT'S WHAT I SEE.

SO I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT JUST BEING, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET ANOTHER CONSULTANT FIRM TO COME IN AND TELL US THAT YOUR PREVIOUS CONSULTING FIRM MADE A MISTAKE.

ALL RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I DON'T WANT TO SEE.

LET'S GET MALABAR DONE, AND THEN WE'LL SEE WHERE WE'RE HEADING.

BECAUSE I THINK IT'S THE SAME CONSULTING GROUP, WASN'T IT? I THINK. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIRMAN.

THANK YOU SIR. YEAH.

WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE ENGINEERING COSTS BE A LOT CHEAPER TOO, BELIEVE ME.

SO $3.2 MILLION.

THAT WAS THE THE LOW ESSENTIALLY THE THE.

I'M SORRY. THE THE BID ON THAT ONE.

IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT GEORGE YOU LOOK LIKE YOU DO.

SO JUST FOR THAT ONE, THAT'S THE REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS.

SO WE ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE AN IDENTIFIED AMOUNT FOR THAT, WHICH I THINK WHAT WE'RE REFERENCING MAY BE THE BUDGET AMOUNT, BUT WE HAVE TO NEGOTIATE WHAT THE CONSULTANT COST WILL BE FOR THE PROJECT.

SO WE DON'T HAVE AN IDENTIFIED COST AS OF NOW.

SO WE HAVE TO GO INTO NEGOTIATIONS FOR IT.

SO IT COULD BE LOWER THAN 3 MILLION.

WE ACTUALLY DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT.

SO JUST WANT TO SAY THAT.

SO MA'AM THAT THAT DESIGN THOSE STUDIES ARE NEEDED.

YES SIR. THE UNFORTUNATELY THE FIRST STEP TO GET TO A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT IS YOU FIRST HAVE TO HAVE A DESIGN, AND IT'S JUST VERY EXPENSIVE.

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THANK YOU. MA'AM.

I NEED A MOTION.

GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

HOW ARE YOU GUYS DOING? WELL, THAT WAS TO SPEAK ABOUT THE YOUTH PROGRAMS. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CAME UP YET OR NOT, BUT THAT'S WHERE I WAS AT.

EDDIE. EDDIE! I'M SORRY.

YES, SIR. HI.

THAT'S WHAT THIS IS. OKAY, AWESOME.

IT'S ABOUT THE ONE ON BY FLORIDA AVE REC CENTER.

YES. SO I GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU.

IS THAT'S A PROPERTY THAT YOU GUYS RECENTLY PURCHASED? DONATED WHAT? PURCHASED? PURCHASED. CAN THE CITY TURN PROPERTIES LIKE THAT FOR PROFITS? TO HAVE PROJECTS IN OTHER PLACES IN THE CITY? IS THAT POSSIBLE? IS THAT IS THAT THE SPECTRUM OF YOUR QUESTIONS, OR DO YOU HAVE A YES? NO, THAT'S PART OF MY QUESTION.

IS THAT PROPERTY CAN THE PROPERTY SELL? I MEAN, CAN THE CITY SELL THAT PROPERTY TO HAVE A HAVE FUNDS FOR A PROGRAM SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY? YEAH, I THINK PART OF THE DEAL.

AND MADAM, MADAM SHERMAN, YOU'LL BREAK DOWN THE, THE DEAL.

BUT PART OF THE DEAL WAS WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET THIS CENTER, AND IT WOULD APPRAISE EVEN AT A HIGHER.

BUT WHAT ARE THE RESTRICTIONS, MA'AM? WOULD YOU WELL, THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS.

SO THIS IS A PROPERTY THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY OWNED BY THE CITY THAT THE CITY HAS PURCHASED BACK.

IT WAS SOME NON-PROFITS HELD IT, AND WE WERE ABLE TO WE'RE WE HAVEN'T QUITE CLOSED, BUT WE'RE ALMOST GETTING WE'RE ALMOST AT CLOSING WITHIN A WEEK OR TWO, I THINK.

SO THE FIFTH, AUGUST 5TH, WE WILL CLOSE.

SO THEN WE WILL OWN THE PROPERTY AGAIN.

WHEN WE SOLD IT ORIGINALLY, IT WAS JUST A VACANT PIECE OF LAND, SO IT GOT DEVELOPED.

RIGHT NOW, AT COUNCIL'S DIRECTION, WE'RE NOT PLANNING TO SELL THAT PROPERTY OR TO CALL IT A SURPLUS PROPERTY, WHICH SOMETIMES WE DO HAVE SURPLUS PROPERTIES WE SELL, AND THEN THOSE FUNDS GET CURRENTLY DEPOSITED INTO THE ROAD MAINTENANCE FUND.

BUT IN THIS CASE, WHAT THIS ITEM IS ABOUT IS COUNCILS DIRECTED US TO REQUEST INFORMATION FROM GROUPS, NON-PROFITS, GROUPS THAT MIGHT WANT TO HAVE YOUTH PROGRAMS TO WORK OUT OF THAT PARTICULAR FACILITY.

AND WE'LL BRING THAT BACK TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION.

THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING THE QUESTION, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THE PROBLEM IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN SOUTHEAST PALM BAY.

SO DOWN IN MY NECK OF THE WOODS, THERE REALLY ISN'T MUCH FOR KIDS, YOU KNOW, LIKE BAYSIDE LAKES, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE SOUTHEAST.

THERE'S REALLY NOWHERE FOR ANYONE TO GO.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE IS IN THE NORTH END OF PALM BAY.

SO IF YOU KNOW BUDGETING AND THINGS ARE PROBLEMS AND YOU NEED FUNDS TO DO PROGRAMS, WELL, YOU CAN SELL A PROPERTY TO HAVE FUNDS FOR A PROGRAM IN A DIFFERENT SECTION OF THE CITY WHERE YOU REALLY NEED SOMETHING FOR THE KIDS.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S POSSIBLE OR NOT, BUT BUT IF NOT, THEN MAYBE IT MIGHT BE A GOOD PLACE FOR A NEW BOXING PLACE. YEAH.

WELL, I MEAN, YOU KNOW HOW THE REC CENTER IS, SO MAYBE YOU CAN MOVE THEM THERE.

THAT'S IT. ALL RIGHT.

SO, YEAH, I THINK HE THREW IN THE BOXING BECAUSE HE KNOWS I THINK HE PURPOSEFULLY, BUT COUNCIL IT'S WORTH A DISCUSSION.

RIGHT? WE'VE SPOKEN ABOUT DISCIPLINING OUR YOUTH, AND THE NEED IS THERE FOR THE YOUTH.

RIGHT. SO COUNCIL IS WORTH A DISCUSSION.

I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE REQUEST OF INFORMATION TO SEE WHAT PROGRAMS CAN WE CAN PUT IN THERE.

THAT THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.

SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IN OUR PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS, IT'S ABOUT TRYING TO DO SOMETHING FOR CERTAIN AT RISK YOUTH TO GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY.

AND I THINK YOU WENT MORE TOWARDS THE VOCATIONAL INDUSTRY OF OF MEALS AND AND CHEFS AND AND AND MAYBE IT COULD BE SELF-SUSTAINING. I HEARD BUT CERTAINLY WE DON'T KNOW WHAT PROGRAMS ARE GOING TO WANT TO PARTNER.

BUT HEY I LIKE BOXING.

IT GOES GOOD WITH FOOD TOO, BUT IT'S WHATEVER, WHATEVER.

IT'S WHATEVER COMES THIS, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THEY THEY SAY.

SO IF I, IF I CAN PUT A LITTLE PERSPECTIVE ON THAT TO ANSWER MORE ADDRESS YOU KNOW EDDIE.

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SO IDEALLY, THIS FACILITY WAS THERE TO SERVE THAT PARTICULAR COMMUNITY, THAT, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND, AND IF YOU KNOW THE STORY OF, OF MR. EVANS THERE'S A LONG HISTORY OF THAT PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO IT'S REALLY HISTORICAL WHY THAT BUILDING WAS PUT THERE.

IT'S A REPLACEMENT OF OF OF YEARS OF HISTORY.

A GENTLEMAN THAT WAS HIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

HE WANTED TO MAKE THAT PLACE BETTER, A BETTER PLACE FOR KIDS THROUGH EDUCATION, THROUGH EDUCATION AND WHAT HAVE YOU, YOU KNOW, AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAM.

AND IT WAS ORIGINALLY A SUPERMARKET.

SO WHEN THE CITY GOT INVOLVED AND OTHER ENTITIES GOT INVOLVED, MONEY WAS PUT TOWARDS THAT PROJECT.

PROJECT WAS BUILT, UNFORTUNATELY WASN'T WASN'T SUSTAINABLE.

SO IT WAS A SUPERMARKET NUMBER ONE.

NUMBER TWO, THERE'S SOME EDUCATIONAL COMPONENT TO IT AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

THE CITY HAS INTEREST IN IT.

WE HAVE A BIG CHUNK OF INTEREST IN IT.

SO AS WE DISCUSSED TO BUY IT BACK AND THE AGREEMENT WAS WITH THE COMMUNITY, WHAT THEY WANTED TO SEE, WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WE THROW SOME IDEAS.

I WAS PART OF THAT REPRESENTING COUNCIL HAVING THAT CONVERSATION.

SO THE AGREEMENT WAS WITH THE FOLKS OVER IN THAT COMMUNITY WANTING TO BE RESPECTFUL OF THE WHOLE PROCESS OR THE IDEA BEHIND THAT BUILDING.

WE WANTED TO KEEP IT IN THE COMMUNITY, TO CONTINUE SERVING THE COMMUNITY, THE SOME SORT OF SERVICE TO THAT COMMUNITY.

THAT'S WHY WHEN IT COMES TO FOR PROFIT ENTITIES, THAT WAS COMPLETELY OUT OF THE QUESTION.

THIS BUILDING MUST REMAIN A HISTORICAL OR SOME SORT OF SERVICE TO THAT COMMUNITY.

THAT'S WHY, AS WE TAKE IT OVER, WE'RE LOOKING FOR ENTITY THAT CAN PROVIDE SOME SORT OF SERVICE.

WE CREATE A SCOPE AND THAT'S WHAT WE VOTED LAST WEEK.

WE CREATED A SCOPE OF SERVICES THAT WE WANT TO SEE TAKE PLACE BY ANY MEANS.

IF YOU HAVE SOME IDEAS, IF YOU ARE A NON-FOR-PROFIT THAT WANT TO BRING SOME SORT OF SERVICE THAT FIT THE SCOPE THAT'S ALREADY ESTABLISHED BY STAFF, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO TO COME BACK WITH PRETTY MUCH FREE FOR THE COMMUNITY PALS.

YEAH, PAL. I MEAN, THERE'S SOME COMPONENT TO PALS.

I KNOW THERE'S A PAL ALREADY EXIST IN THAT AREA.

THAT COMMUNITY THAT ALREADY SERVICING THAT IS THAT IS THAT STILL PALM BAY OR IS THAT PRACTICALLY MELBOURNE? BUT THEY STILL SERVING PALM BAY.

THEY, THEY ARE SERVING BOTH COMMUNITIES.

SO THE LOCATIONS IN PALM BAY.

BUT THE POWELL IS MELBOURNE.

WELL WE HAVE A PALM BAY POWELL.

THAT'S A CONVERSATION THAT WE CAN HAVE DOWN THE ROAD.

WE USED TO HAVE ONE AS FAR AS I REMEMBER.

THE REC CENTER USED TO BE A PILE.

YOU HAD TO SIGN IN, BUT NO LONGER IS.

BUT IT WAS ONCE UPON A TIME.

WELL, I THINK WE'RE GETTING.

YEAH. THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE.

THIS RIGHT HERE.

AND I'M GOING TO HAVE TO CALL FOR A VOTE, AND THIS IS ALREADY.

GOTCHA. BUT THIS COME UP ABOUT WHAT? OKAY. WHAT THE REQUEST FOR INFORMATION IS.

GOTCHA. THAT'S WHAT THIS ITEM IS FOR.

I GOT IT, ALRIGHT, I GOT IT OKAY.

THANK YOU. STAFF CAN GET YOU THE SCOPE AND CERTAINLY YOU CAN LOOK AT IT AND SEE IF YOU CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING.

YES. CORRECT. I NEED A MOTION.

SO MOVED. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

SECOND. I GOT A SECOND BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

AND I KNOW YOU WORKED HARD ON THIS.

YEAH, SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT IT AND BRING IT TOGETHER.

COPY THAT. ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

JUDY. TRANDAHL, 751 PEBBLE BEACH AVENUE NORTHEAST.

ITEM NUMBER SIX.

JUDY. MISS.

JUDY.

I'M USUALLY A PERSON THAT DOES RESEARCH ON STUFF.

ON THIS NUMBER SIX, WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE AWAY SIX LOTS AND $370,000 TO MACEDONIA COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.

I DID MY RESEARCH, GAVE THEM $435,746 FOR A TRIPLEX AT 2264 WASHINGTON STREET NORTHEAST PALM BAY TO DATE. A YEAR LATER, ALMOST A YEAR LATER, LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY, A COUPLE OF MONTHS SHY, THEY JUST IN JUNE APPLIED FOR PERMITS TO RENOVATE THE TRIPLEX THROUGH THE PALM BAY CITY, THE COMMUNITY

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DEVELOPMENT STARTING ON 619.

THEY WERE DISAPPROVED 620 DENIED.

621 DENIED.

702 DISAPPROVED.

THE BUILDING REVIEW APPROVED ON SEVEN OVER EIGHT AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REVIEW DISAPPROVED ON EIGHT ONE.

ALL OF THE WORK.

PLUMBING. PRE POUR.

FRAMING. NAILING.

ROUGHING. MECHANICAL.

EVERYTHING IS UNSCHEDULED.

SO HERE WE'VE GIVEN $435,000 TO A PROJECT THAT IT SAYS HERE ASSESSED VALUE FOR $97,170.

I DIDN'T STOP THERE.

I WENT ON TO LOOK AT THEIR 990 FORM.

2023 IS NOT AVAILABLE YET, BUT 2022 WAS AVAILABLE.

I ALSO LOOKED AT BREVARD COUNTY LAND THE PROPERTY SEARCH.

THIS ORGANIZATION OWNS 31 IMPROVED RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES PLUS EIGHT VACANT LOTS IN BREVARD COUNTY.

AND THEY WANT SIX MORE OF OURS.

WHY HAVEN'T THEY DONE SOMETHING WITH THE EIGHT VACANT LOTS BEFORE? THEN I LOOKED AT THEIR INCOME TAX RETURN AND LAST YEAR, CURRENT YEAR, THEY RECEIVED 826 379 $829,000.

PROGRAM SERVICE REVENUE OF 186,000.

TOTAL REVENUE $1,014,733.

THANK YOU. THANK YES, MA'AM.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

ANYWAY, THEY'RE NOT PERFORMING TO GET MORE MONEY FROM US.

THANK YOU, MA'AM, MADAM CHAIRMAN.

WELL, THANK YOU MAYOR. I'M GOING TO SEE IF OUR ASSISTANT HOUSING DIRECTOR, EVIE SPERATI, CAN COME UP AND SPEAK TO THE SELECTION PROCESS WE USE FOR THESE FUNDS FOR THESE PROPERTIES. THANK YOU.

MA'AM. COULD SOMEONE ALSO SPEAK TO THE DENIALS AS WELL THAT SHE MENTIONED THE PERMITTING STUFF? YEAH. THE PERMITTING. DO YOU HAVE THAT PULLED UP? YEAH. SO EVERY YEAR WE PRESENT AN RFP, A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL OUT TO THE COMMUNITY, TO AGENCIES FOR FUNDING WITH HOME FUNDS.

BASED ON WHAT THE NEED IS IN THE COMMUNITY AND BASED ON THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT IS NEEDED, WE PUT TOGETHER OUR REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS AND SEND IT OUT. WE RECEIVED TWO BIDS THIS YEAR OR TWO PROPOSALS THIS YEAR.

ONE OF THE PROPOSALS THAT WE RECEIVED WAS WITH WITHDRAWN.

THAT AGENCY JUST FELT LIKE THEIR PROPOSAL WASN'T TOP NOTCH, AND THEY REALLY WANTED TO COME BACK LATER IN THE FUTURE WITH SOMETHING BETTER.

SO THAT LEFT MACEDONIA.

MACEDONIA IS PUTTING UP A LITTLE OVER $100,000 TOWARDS THIS PROJECT FROM THEIR OWN WALLET.

AND THEY'RE ALSO WORKING ON THAT OTHER PROJECT FROM LAST YEAR.

SO WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS THE SIX DONATED LOTS TO REHABILITATE THE TWO CURRENT UNITS OR STRUCTURES THAT ARE ON TWO OF THE LOTS.

SO THE MONEY IS REALLY GOING TO REHABILITATE, OR WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING IS THAT THE MONEY GO TOWARD THOSE TWO STRUCTURES TO BE REHABILITATED.

IN LAST YEAR'S PROPOSAL, THE 400 AND PLUS THOUSAND, IT WAS TO ACQUIRE THE PROPERTY, THE TRIPLEX, AND THEN TO REHABILITATE IT UP TO CODE. SO THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR.

THAT'S WHAT I CAN SPEAK TO.

THAT IS OUR CURRENT PROCESS.

WE DO HAVE AN ENCUMBRANCE DEADLINE WITH THE COUNTY WITH HOME FUNDS.

SO WE HAVE TO HAVE AN AGREEMENT, A SIGNED AGREEMENT WITH AN ORGANIZATION TO DO SOMETHING WITH THOSE FUNDS.

IF NOT, WE WILL BE IN NONCOMPLIANCE SO THAT THAT IS THE ENCUMBRANCE DEADLINE THAT WE HAVE.

SO THOSE FUNDS HAVE TO BE ALLOCATED OR SPENT BY THAT CERTAIN TIME FRAME.

THEY HAVE TO BE BY SEPTEMBER 30TH OF THIS YEAR.

WE HAVE TO BE IN AN AGREEMENT WITH AN ORGANIZATION TO DO SOMETHING WITH THOSE HOME FUNDS.

THAT'S THE ENCUMBRANCE DEADLINE.

AND WHEN IS THOSE FUNDS ALLOCATED? THEY'RE ALLOCATED NORMALLY TO THE MUNICIPALITIES OCTOBER 1ST, BUT DEPENDING ON HOW QUICKLY WE CAN GET INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY, SO WE DIDN'T GET OUR

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AGREEMENT UNTIL LATER ON IN THE YEAR.

I THINK IT WAS JANUARY OR FEBRUARY THAT WE CAME TO COUNCIL WITH THE AGREEMENT.

SO WHEN DOES THE FUNDS GET TO THE REHAB FOLKS, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE REHABBING? WHEN WE PUT OUT THE RFP IN THE SPRING, AND THEN THEY BRING THE PROPOSAL AND WE BRING IT TO COUNCIL NOW IN JULY OR AUGUST 1ST, WHICH IS TODAY.

OKAY. DOES THAT ANSWER MOST OF YOUR QUESTIONS, MA'AM? NO. NO IT DOESN'T.

THEY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY FOR 122,005 LAKHS.

OKAY, ALRIGHT.

ALRIGHT. THANK YOU.

MA'AM, CAN YOU SIT WITH MISS JUDY? MISS JUDY AND I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING.

OKAY. CAN YOU SIT AFTER THE QUESTION? CARRY ON. ONE OF THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE OR CONCERN, I SHOULD SAY, WITH THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION.

AND THANK YOU FOR DOING YOUR HOMEWORK.

I DO APPRECIATE THAT.

TO TO SOME DEGREE, I, I, I AGREE, I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU TO SOME OF YOUR COMMENTS.

MOST OF THEM ACTUALLY, WHEN IT COMES TO THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, THE PREVIOUS AND SPEAKING TO THE ONE TONIGHT, I BELIEVE ONE OF THE COMMITMENT FOR MACEDONIA FOR THIS PROJECT WOULD BE THERE'S A 15 YEARS COMMITMENT TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

IS THAT CORRECT? ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE RESTRICTION, THE LAND USE RESTRICTION AGREEMENT FOR IN TERMS OF THE OFFER? ONCE A PROJECT IS COMPLETED, THERE'S A 15 YEARS COMMITMENT.

AFFORDABLE. YEAH, I TAKE ISSUES WITH THAT.

THAT'S SET BY THE GRANT.

THE HOME GRANT? IT'S THE GRANT ITSELF.

IT'S ON A SCALE.

IT'S DEPENDENT ON HOW MUCH MONEY, HOW MUCH HOME FUNDS YOU PUT INTO A PROJECT.

THERE'S A SCALE FIVE YEAR, TEN YEAR 15, BUT IT DOESN'T TAKE.

IT DOESN'T SAY THAT YOU CAN'T ADD MORE TO IT.

THAT. WELL, THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE I'M COMING FROM.

I MEAN, TO ME, IF THAT'S YOUR BUSINESS, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE IN.

YOU ONLY PUT SO MUCH INTO IT.

IT'S ALL PUBLIC FUNDING.

TO ME, IT SHOULD BE FOR YOU KNOW, FOREVER.

IT SHOULD BE DEDICATED TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING IF THAT'S THE BUSINESS YOU'RE IN.

THIS IS TAX DOLLARS AT WORK.

THIS IS CITY OWNED PROPERTY.

AND WHY ARE WE CAPPING IT? I GET THE HOME.

YEAH, BUT WHY IS THE ORGANIZATION CAPPING AT 15 SO THEY NOT LOOKING TO EXTEND IT? THEY CAN.

SO THAT'S WHY I'M HERE.

SO. SO THAT'S WHY THAT'S WHERE I TAKE ISSUE WITH THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, AND I CAN'T SUPPORT IT.

AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE SHARED MY, MY VIEWS ON, ON THE PREVIOUS ITEM.

I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE OUR TAX DOLLARS, THIS FUNDING IS BEING UTILIZED PROPERLY.

THE EFFICIENCY SPENDING THAT KIND OF MONEY INTO A TRIPLEX, THAT SHOULD BE TO ME, IT SHOULD BE FLATTENED.

GO, GO, YOU KNOW, BUILD A NEW STRUCTURE ON THAT.

I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S BETTER USE OF THAT FUNDING.

SO THIS IS NOT I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS ON THE BASIS I VOICED MY OPINION PRIOR TO A PRIOR PROJECT, AND I'M STILL STILL TAKING SERIOUS ISSUE WITH THIS AS WELL.

SO WHAT WHAT WHAT DO WE HAVE? AND I WISH THE APPLICANT WAS HERE.

I KNOW THEY WERE HERE, BUT THEY LEFT.

YEAH. THEY THEY WERE SITTING BACK THERE.

YEAH. SO MY MADAM SHERMAN I THINK YOU COULD.

YES, SIR. IF I COULD, IF I COULD ASK JOAN TO SHARE A LITTLE BIT MORE.

THERE'S A LITTLE ANOTHER PIECE OF THIS I JUST WANT KIND OF PUT ON THE RECORD FOR YOU ALL.

OKAY. DO YOU WANT ME TO ADDRESS THE BUILDING PERMIT FIRST AND THEN THAT, OR JUST GO STRAIGHT TO THE.

OKAY. SO I'LL, I GUESS, ADDRESS THE MORE RECENT CONCERN ON THE AFFORDABILITY PERIOD.

SO WE ACTUALLY HAD A CONVERSATION WITH JERRY PHILLIPS FROM MACEDONIA CDC ABOUT THE AFFORDABILITY PERIOD.

NOW WE DO HAVE THE LAURA, WHICH IS GOING TO BE PART OF THE AGREEMENT.

AND THAT IS THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE HOME FUNDS OF 15 YEARS.

BUT PART OF OUR CONVERSATION WITH MR. PHILLIPS WAS TO ESTABLISH A DEED RESTRICTION ON THE PROPERTY THAT ALLOWS IT TO BE AFFORDABLE IN PERPETUITY WITH A REVERSIONARY CLAUSE, THAT IF IT WERE TO NOT BE USED FOR THAT PURPOSE, THE OWNERSHIP WOULD REVERT BACK TO THE CITY.

HE WAS AGREEABLE TO THAT.

SO THAT'S EXACTLY YOUR RIGHT THAT I CAN LIVE WITH.

YEAH, THAT I CAN LIVE WITH.

BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS IT'S A RAISE, A RED FLAG, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE INTENT? 15 YEARS. THEN TURN AROUND AND SELL IT FOR A PROFIT.

NOT SAYING THAT'S WHAT THEY INTEND TO DO, BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING I CAN'T TELL YOU.

TEN YEARS FROM NOW, HOUSING WON'T BE MORE AFFORDABLE, SO CAN ONLY GO WORSE.

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SO IF OUR INTENT AND OUR EFFORT IS TO CREATE MORE AFFORDABLE UNITS, WE CAN'T HAVE ORGANIZATIONS UTILIZE ALL FUNDING TO PUT TO CAP CAP, YOU KNOW, HOUSING.

SO THAT'S WHERE I STAND.

I JUST, YOU KNOW, IF PEOPLE IN THAT SPACE, IF YOU'RE LISTENING, WE NEED VIABLE PROJECT.

AND LIKE I SAID, UNFORTUNATELY WE ARE WHERE WE ARE.

WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ORGANIZATION OR COMPANIES THAT GETTING INTO THAT SPACE, BRINGING US GOOD PROJECT.

I KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING. I KNOW WHAT I CAN DO WITH HALF $1 MILLION PERSONALLY.

SO TO ME, WE'RE NOT HELPING.

WE'RE NOT UTILIZING OUR FUNDING PROPERLY.

AND I APPLAUD THEM FOR THEIR EFFORT.

BUT MAN, WE NEED BETTER PROJECT MACEDONIA.

WE NEED BETTER PROJECT. I'M NOT HAPPY WITH WHAT WHAT'S COMING FORWARD.

SO EVEN WITH THE PERPETUITY, I'LL SUPPORT IT ON THAT NOTE, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR.

FUTURE PROJECT BRINGS US DECENT STUFF.

THINGS THAT ARE SUSTAINABLE.

THINGS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, EFFICIENT.

I WANT TO SEE ALL DOLLARS AT WORK FOR GOOD REASON.

AND I JUST WANT TO. I'M SUPPORTING YOU TONIGHT, BUT I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR.

OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE WORKING CLOSELY WITH YOU.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE PASSIONATE ABOUT? ABSOLUTELY. YEAH.

AND I KIND OF HAVE AN IDEA.

I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF EXPERIENCE WHEN IT COMES TO THAT.

SO TO ME, SOME OF THE WAY OUR FUNDINGS ARE BEING UTILIZED IN BEING UTILIZED FOR IN THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY, I SHOULD SAY WE'RE NOT GETTING GOOD RETURN.

SO WHAT ELSE WOULD YOU LIKE TO TO SEE GIVE STAFF SOME DIRECTION TO SEE WHAT OTHER PROGRAMS YOU YOU LIKE TO BENEFIT.

AND SPECIFICALLY, I KNOW THEY ARE MEETING WHAT I THINK WITHIN OUR SCOPE THEY ARE MEETING ALL THE ALL THE CHECK MARK.

WHAT I'M SAYING MAIER I THINK THEM FOR WHAT WE'RE PUTTING OUT THE RETURN IN TERMS OF WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE BETTER PRODUCT, BETTER, MORE UNIT PER PER DOLLAR.

OKAY. THAT'S THE POINT I'M SAYING.

SO, LIKE, THE TRIBE LIKES TO ME, THE TRIPLEX, TO ME, IT'S IT'S IT'S NOT VIABLE AT ALL.

YOU KNOW, NEARLY HALF $1 MILLION TO GET WHAT THEY SAID THEY'RE GOING TO DO.

TO ME, THAT TRIPLEX SHOULD BE FLATTENED AND BRING SOMETHING BRAND NEW.

MAYBE BUILD A BRAND NEW TRIPLEX, SOMETHING THAT HAS MORE VIABILITY, MORE LIFE TO IT.

TO ME, JUST NOT GOOD USE OF THAT FUNDING.

SO BUT I KNOW THAT'S BEHIND US.

SO THESE ARE THESE ARE THE THIS IS THE HOME INVESTMENT PARTNERSHIP PROGRAM.

CORRECT. SO AND I JUST WANT TO PEEL THIS ONION BACK A LITTLE BIT MORE.

SO SHOULD WE GO DOWN THIS PAGE IF WE'RE NOT GETTING THOSE PROGRAMS THAT ARE WORTH IT OR.

AND THIS IS THIS IS A VIABLE QUESTION AT THIS POINT BECAUSE IF IF WE'RE NOT GETTING THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT, I AGREE THE PERPETUITY IS A CRITICAL COMPONENT TO THAT.

RIGHT? BUT IF IF THIS IS NOT THE BEST, THEN WHY EVEN GO DOWN THIS PAGE? WELL, I THINK PART OF THE CHALLENGE WE HAVE, WE, WE HAVE TIME GOING AGAINST.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

SO THAT MIGHT BE DISPERSED WITH BY OCTOBER 1ST SEPTEMBER.

SHE SAID OCTOBER 1ST IS NORMALLY WHEN THE PROGRAM BEGINS, BUT YOU REALLY CAN'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL YOU HAVE THAT SIGNED AGREEMENT.

THAT'S RIGHT. WE'RE DEALING WITH TIME.

AND WHEN WE PUT THE RFP OUT, WE ONLY HAD TWO APPLICANT AND ONE OF THEM PULL OUT.

SEE YOU KNOW I SEE YEAH A COMMUNITY OF HOPE PULL OUT AND WE ONLY END UP WITH ONE.

SO OVER AND OVER AGAIN TO REITERATE MY POINT, WE NEED BETTER.

I'M JUST PUTTING IT OUT THERE.

WE NEED BETTER, BETTER PRODUCT.

YOU KNOW, PRODUCT OR BETTER, YOU KNOW PROPOSAL.

I GUESS THE QUESTION AT THIS POINT WOULD BE WE HAD TWO APPLICANTS AND ONE PULLED OUT.

DO WE KNOW WHY THAT ONE PULLED OUT? THEY JUST FELT THAT THEY THEIR PROPOSAL WASN'T WHAT THEY WANTED IT TO BE, WHAT THEY WANTED IT TO BE, OR WHAT WE WE KNOW WHAT THEY WANTED TO PUT MORE INTO IT.

AND THEY COULDN'T AT THAT TIME, OKAY.

BECAUSE IT WAS A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.

NORMALLY OUR RFPS ARE OUT FOR 30 DAYS AND THEY REALLY DIDN'T HAVE THE ADEQUATE AMOUNT OF TIME.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SIX SLOTS AND THEY WERE THINKING, OKAY, WE REALLY WANT TO DESIGN THE SIX SLOTS.

SO WHAT WE TOOK FROM THAT WAS NEXT TIME WE DO AN RFP, EXTEND IT OUT, AND WE'VE DONE THAT WITH OTHER GRANT PROGRAMS. SO THAT WOULD MAKE THE DIFFERENCE IS WHAT I'M HEARING.

YES. IF YOU EXTENDING THAT THAT RFP TIME.

BUT HOW DOES THAT EQUATE TO THE DEADLINE OF THE MONEY'S GOT TO BE SPENT BY A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME THIS YEAR.

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THERE WAS NO WAY BECAUSE WE HAD TO STICK TO THE 30.

SO WHEN DID WE FIND OUT ABOUT IT? WHEN DID WE FIND OUT THAT WE HAD THAT FUNDING, THAT IT HAD TO BE SPENT WITHIN SIX MONTHS OR SO? EVERY YEAR WE GET THE AGREEMENT, THE CLOCK STARTS TICKING.

OH, MAN. AND BY 930 YOU HAVE THAT ENCUMBRANCE DEADLINE.

AND SO HOW CAN WE IMPROVE THAT PROCESS? IT'S DIFFICULT TO SAY BECAUSE THEY THE COUNTY TELLS US HOW MUCH WE'RE GOING TO GET ALLOCATED.

AND THEN YOU HAVE THE AGREEMENT AND THE FUNDING AMOUNT CAN CHANGE OR SHIFT.

JUST DEPENDS.

OKAY. YES, SIR.

IF WE GUEST APPEARANCE, IF WE WERE TO EXTEND IT BY 15 DAYS AND THEN SAY IN THIS INSTANCE, THAT WILL PUSH US TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING IN AUGUST.

WOULD THAT STILL WORK? OR IF WE'RE APPROVING IN THE FIRST COUNCIL MEETING IN SEPTEMBER? AS LONG AS WE HAVE THE AGREEMENT EXECUTED BY SEPTEMBER 30TH.

OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING.

WE CAN GET THOSE 15 DAYS AND THEN APPROVE IT IN SEPTEMBER 1ST OR WHENEVER.

FIRST MEETING IN SEPTEMBER IN THE FUTURE.

BUT I'M WITH YOU. THIS IS SOMETHING.

THIS REMINDS ME WITH THE CDBG.

ORIGINALLY WE WERE JUST HAVING THE SAME APPLICANTS OVER AND OVER AND OVER, AND I'M LIKE, MAN, WE GOT TO GET WE GOT TO GET MORE.

BUT STAFF DID A GREAT JOB KIND OF JUST GETTING IT OUT THERE.

SO I'M. I'M WITH YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR.

I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN. THE WE.

IS THERE A WAY WE CAN THROW A NET A LITTLE BIT LARGER AREA? IT SEEMS LIKE THE SAME.

WOULD THAT HELP THE PROCESS WHERE? I'M NOT SURE HOW WE PUT OUT OUR RFP.

THAT'S TRUE. THE RFP.

YEAH. HOW WE THE PROCESS OF WHICH WE DO THAT, CAN WE CAST OUR NET A LITTLE BIT LARGER JUST TO SEE? BECAUSE LIKE I SAID AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I'VE SEEN SITTING ON THE CDBG WHAT I'M SEEING, I'M NOT LIKING.

AND TRULY IT'S ALL ABOUT HOW WE, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE GOT TO BE GOOD STEWARDS.

MAYOR AND I WANT TO MAKE IT MAKE IT CLEAR IT'S NOTHING AGAINST MACEDONIA.

I JUST, YOU KNOW, WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M BEING A GOOD STEWARD FOR FOR TAX DOLLARS.

THANK THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

IS THAT. THANK YOU.

YEAH. MADAM CHAIRMAN, CAN I CHECK THAT WAS THE BUILDING? YES. I'M GOING TO ACTUALLY GIVE IT BACK TO JOAN.

AND ALSO MAYBE SHE CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT TIMELINES IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE TO SHARE THERE.

YEAH. SO I'LL START WITH SAYING SOMETHING THAT MAYBE DIDN'T TOUCH ON.

BUT IT'S CRITICAL TO THIS IS THAT THE HOME PROGRAM REQUIRES US TO ALLOCATE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF FUNDING TO OKKODO ANNUALLY. AND THE CHOTTO IS A HUD CERTIFIED COMMUNITY HOUSING DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATION.

THERE ARE ONLY TWO IN BREVARD COUNTY.

MACEDONIA IS ONE OF THOSE TWO.

KAI IS THE OTHER.

AND SO THIS MEETS THAT SET ASIDE.

SO I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF NOTE THAT THE OTHER THING SO WE THE OPTION IS IT HAS TO BE A CHOTTO.

THERE'S ONLY TWO.

THERE'S ONLY TWO IN BREVARD COUNTY AND THE OTHER ONE PULLED OUT.

THE OTHER ONE DIDN'T SUBMIT, DIDN'T EVEN SUBMIT.

RIGHT. SO THIS MEETS THAT REQUIREMENT THE OTHER THING TO NOTE IS BECAUSE THEY ARE A CHOTTO, THEY ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE PROGRAM.

THEY ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE FUNDING ORGANIZATIONS AND THINGS TO HELP SECURE FUNDING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHICH, AS YOU KNOW, CAN BE VERY DIFFICULT.

SO IN THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY WITH THE PREVIOUS FUNDING THEY HAD, WHICH SPEAKS TO THE BUILDING PERMIT, THEY HAD TO ONCE THEY GOT THE FUNDS FROM THE CITY, THEY HAD TO GO AND NEGOTIATE THE PURCHASE AND ACQUISITION OF THAT.

SO THAT TAKES TIME.

WHEN THEY DID SUBMIT THEIR PERMIT IN JUNE, AND I CAN SEE IN IMS THERE'S A SERIES OF ACTIVITIES THAT HAPPENED.

AND THIS IS BECAUSE IT'S AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT.

BUILDING DEPARTMENT EXPEDITED THE REVIEWS ON THIS.

SO YOU CAN SEE THEY GO BACK AND FORTH JUNE, JULY, AUGUST, AND I CAN SEE ALL STAFF'S COMMENTS.

AND WHAT THEY WERE DISAPPROVED FOR IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S OUT OF THE ORDINARY FOR A BUILDING PERMIT.

AND THEN ON THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, THAT'S MORE OF A TECHNICALITY.

IT WAS DENIED BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE A BUILD A PRE-APPLICATION MEETING.

SO IT'S JUST LITTLE NUANCES THAT ARE NOT UNUSUAL FOR LAND DEVELOPMENT SORT OF REVIEWS.

ALL RIGHT, DEPUTY MAYOR.

I'M GOOD. OKAY, SO ARE COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

SO WHEN ARE THE ENCUMBRANCE? AND EXPENDITURE DEADLINES AGAIN? THE ENCUMBRANCE DEADLINE IS SEPTEMBER 30TH.

THE EXPENDITURE DEADLINE IS BASED UPON OUR AGREEMENT WITH MACEDONIA.

AND I'D HAVE TO ASK IBI TO SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DETAIL IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.

THE WHERE WE'RE AT CURRENTLY IN THE CALENDAR IS IF WE PUT IT BACK OUT, MORE THAN LIKELY, WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO GET THE SAME APPLICATIONS.

TO BE HONEST THE OTHER ISSUE IS THAT WHEN WE PUT IT OUT, WE, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE AMOUNT OF DAYS, STAFF HAS TO THEN REVIEW THOSE AND THEN IT HAS TO GO BACK

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TO KDAB UNLESS COUNCIL DECIDES HERE TONIGHT THAT THEY WANT TO SKIP THAT PIECE.

AND I GUESS I WOULD ASK CITY ATTORNEYS IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO AND THEN BRING THAT FORTH, AND THEN WE'VE GOT TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT.

I DON'T SEE WHY THAT CAN'T BE AN OPTION TO START THE WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN.

WELL, I'M OPEN I'M OPEN TO DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TO JUST LIKE WITH SOME ITEMS, WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING, WE DON'T HAVE TO BRING IT BACK TO THEM.

MY MY CONCERN IS WHAT SHE SAID, THAT IF WE DO THAT, CHANCES ARE WE'RE GOING TO GET THE SAME APPLICATION.

BUT THE SECOND PERSON MIGHT PUT SOMETHING FORTH BETTER COMPETITION THAT CALLS IT, THAT CAUSES MACEDONIA TO PUT FORTH SOMETHING BETTER TOO. I WOULD YEAH.

OKAY. SO LET'S LET'S MOVE LET'S, LET'S MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION.

SO WE'RE JUST NOT GOING TO MOVE WITH THIS ITEM, RIGHT? WHAT DO YOU NEED, MADAM? WELL, I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR.

SO YOU WANT US TO PUT IT BACK OUT FOR AS MUCH TIME AS WE POSSIBLY CAN, BUT STILL GIVING US TIME TO REVIEW IT AND BRING IT BACK TO YOU BEFORE THE SEPTEMBER DEADLINE.

THAT'S WHAT I JUST HEARD.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, LIKE, IS THAT IS THAT POSSIBLE ON THE TIMELINE? ARE YOU SAYING IT'S I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE TIMELINE FOR NO, NO NOTIFYING THINGS.

COME UP TO SEE IF.

CAN YOU BREAK DOWN THE TIMELINE? ARE WE KEEPING THE SAME RFP? YEAH, THE SAME RFP IS THE QUESTION.

SO FOR SENIORS AND VETERAN HOUSING, THE SCOPE IS IS FINE.

I MEAN YEAH, WE I THINK YEAH IT WAS IT WAS SENIORS.

AND I THOUGHT VETERANS WERE PART OF IT AS WELL.

OKAY. YEAH. YEAH I REMEMBER THE VETERANS PART.

SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE CALENDAR NOW.

WE CAN TALK THROUGH IT IF YOU IF YOU'D LIKE.

BECAUSE THE SECOND COUNCIL MEETING IS SEPTEMBER 19TH FOR THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT PUBLIC NOTICE REQUIREMENTS THEY HAVE FOR THAT PROGRAM.

YEAH. WHAT SOLD ME WAS THE VETERAN PORTION TO THIS BECAUSE WE HAD I THINK THE SCOPE IS GOOD.

IT'S JUST THE PRODUCT.

I MEAN, FOR SOME PRODUCT.

CORRECT. IF FOR SOME REASON THEY CAN'T WE HAVE MORE TO LOOK AT.

WE COULD ALWAYS JUST, YOU KNOW NOT MAKE A DECISION DECISION ON THIS TONIGHT.

WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK TO YOU ON THE 13TH.

AND IF WE CAN'T WORK IT OUT, I MEAN, THAT'S ANOTHER WAY WE COULD DO IT.

WE'LL TRY OUR VERY BEST TO GIVE YOU A NEW SCHEDULE AND TIMELINE THAT GETS MORE APPLICATIONS IN.

OKAY. I WISH THEY WOULD HAVE STAYED.

THEY LEFT EARLY.

THEY, I THINK, HAVE PROBABLY ANSWERED.

STAFF SHARED THAT I BELIEVE WHEN CONSENT GOT PASSED, THEY THOUGHT THEIR ITEM WAS APPROVED, SO THEY MISSED THAT SOMEHOW.

SO THAT'S WHY THEY LEFT. OKAY.

SO WITH THE TIMELINE, WE'RE DISCUSSING THE ANNOUNCEMENTS.

BECAUSE I REMEMBER LAST MEETING, WE WE MISSED A FEW OPPORTUNITIES BECAUSE WE THOUGHT ABOUT.

WE THOUGHT WE HAD ENOUGH TIME FOR THE ANNOUNCEMENTS.

AS I MADE IT CLEAR ALREADY, I REALLY LIKE THE CONTROLLER.

MAYBE WE COULD REVISIT THAT IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

I CALL IT AN ECG.

YOU CALL IT, YOU KNOW, CONTROLLER, BUT ULTIMATELY THAT'S.

OH. DID YOU. OH, YEAH.

BUT YES.

ANY. DETERMINATION.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE TIGHT.

BUT IF WE WERE TO REISSUE THE SAME RFP TOMORROW, WE WOULD CLOSE THE RFP ON FRIDAY, AUGUST.

SORRY. SO TOMORROW, AUGUST 2ND, CLOSE THE RFP ON FRIDAY, AUGUST 23RD.

WE WOULD BE IN A HUSTLE TO GET THE STAFF REVIEW AND EVERYTHING COMPILED FOR SEPTEMBER 5TH, BUT THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE THE LATEST.

WE COULD GO TO COUNCIL BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO BE UP AGAINST THE DEADLINE OF THE SEPTEMBER 19TH AND TRYING TO GET THE AGREEMENT AND EVERYTHING EXECUTED, BECAUSE ONCE WE GET TOO CLOSE TO THAT DEADLINE, I THINK IT'S AND I THINK THE DIRECTION OF COUNCIL WOULD BE SAME SCOPE BUT BETTER PRODUCT WOULD AND WE CAN ADD IT WON'T TAKE LONG TO TO ADD IN THE RFP THAT THAT PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO BE DEEDED IN PERPETUITY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITH A REVERSIONARY CLAUSE, CITY CAN TAKE OVER.

OKAY, COOL.

GOOD DIRECTION.

ALL RIGHT. SO WE'LL BYPASS THIS.

THIS THIS WILL GO.

WHAT DO YOU NEED ON THIS ITEM? TERRY, THIS IS GOOD ENOUGH.

YEAH. STAFF IS CLARIFYING.

SKIP KDAB SAY AGAIN.

YOU WANT TO SKIP KDAB.

CORRECT. OKAY, YES WE WILL.

I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION AT ALL.

WE CAN JUST LEAVE IT, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH TERRY.

I'M SORRY. IT. I WOULD JUST RECOMMEND MAKING A MOTION TO TABLE IT.

YOU DON'T NEED A DATE. CERTAIN, BUT YOU CAN.

MOTION TO TABLE. OKAY.

MOTION TO TABLE. I GOT A MOTION TO TABLE BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

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JUST BEFORE WE GO TO ITEM EIGHT, I JUST WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT.

I KNOW I DIDN'T PULL IT, BUT JUST ITEM SEVEN WITH THE BCRA FUNDS.

KEEP IN MIND, I WANTED TO.

IT'S GOING TO OUR ROAD MAINTENANCE.

AT THE SAME TIME, I STILL WANT TO CONSIDER I WANT TO CONSIDER THE THE INCENTIVES FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PORTION.

SO I JUST WANT TO KEEP THAT IN EVERYONE'S MIND WITH THAT.

BUT THIS IS ALL GOING TOWARDS THAT.

YES, SIR. TO THE SO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.

MR.. MR..

BATTEN. BILL.

BATTEN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET SOUTHWEST.

I KNOW I'M NOT TALKING A LOT OF MONEY, $23,000, BUT I LIKE SEEING MULTI-PURPOSE TOOLS.

SO I NORMALLY CARRY ONE ON MY BACK POCKET MULTI-PURPOSE INSTEAD OF JUST BEING LOCKED INTO ONE THING.

YOU COULD HAVE THE VERY NICE SMALL TRUCK OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE DUAL PURPOSE WOULD STILL ACCOMPLISH THE SAME THING OF THE ABILITY TO TRAVEL DOWN THE INTERSTATE WITH FOR YOUR TRAINING PURPOSES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

SO MAKE IT A DUAL DUAL PURPOSE, RIGHT? IF THE CITY MANAGER CAN DRIVE A PICKUP TRUCK THAT LOOKS BETTER THAN MOST CARS, THEN SURELY WE CAN HAVE A TRUCK THAT LOOKS GOOD AS A TOYOTA COROLLA FOR HAULING PEOPLE AROUND TOWN, BUT WE'D STILL BE ABLE TO USE IT FOR OTHER FUNCTIONS JUST TO MAKE A MULTI-PURPOSE INSTEAD OF JUST A CAR.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIRMAN.

ANY COMMENTS? NO, SIR. OKAY, I NEED A MOTION.

SO MOVED. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY MAYOR MEDINA.

ANY DISCUSSION? YES, SIR. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I.

I. PASSES TWO ZERO.

WE ARE NOW ON ITEM NUMBER ONE PROCUREMENT.

[PROCUREMENTS:]

MADAM SHERMAN.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. THIS IS AN ITEM THAT GOES BACK QUITE A WAYS.

WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT.

I WANT TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN UPDATE FROM OUR OUR LAST REAL DISCUSSION ON THIS PROJECT, WHICH WAS AN EXECUTIVE SESSION THAT WE HAD EARLIER IN JUNE REGARDING A PROPERTY THAT NEEDED TO BE ACQUIRED TO COMPLETE THE ROAD INTERSECTION PROJECT.

WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF EFFORTS SINCE THAT EXECUTIVE SESSION TO TRY TO ACQUIRE WHAT WAS NEEDED.

WE HAVE BEEN UNSUCCESSFUL AT THIS POINT.

THE CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY ON THE PROJECT, THE INTERSECTION PROJECT, HAS BEEN LIMITED, AND THE CITY'S ABILITY TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE INTERSECTION, NOT JUST TO BE COMPLETED IN A TIMELY MANNER, BUT ALSO TO MEET THE TIMELINES OF NEIGHBORING PARCELS THAT ARE UNDER DEVELOPMENT, WHICH INCLUDES THE COMMERCIAL ENTITIES WHERE PUBLIX IS LOCATED, OUR ABILITY TO MEET THEIR TIMELINES.

THE WINDOW OF THAT IS SHRINKING SIGNIFICANTLY.

AFTER THE MEETING WE HAD ON MONDAY ON SITE WITH THE OWNERS AND THEIR ATTORNEYS AND OUR ATTORNEYS ATTEMPTING TO WORK IT OUT, THERE WAS STILL NO FORWARD MOVEMENT ON THAT AND NO CLEAR PATH TO GET THEM TO AGREE.

SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING RAPIDLY THIS WEEKEND AND PRIOR TO THAT TO LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS.

THE OPTION WE'RE BRINGING BEFORE YOU IS AN OPTION TO BASICALLY CHANGE THE WAY THE ROAD IS BEING BUILT.

SO IT KIND OF DESCRIBES IT IN HERE.

I'LL LEAN ON MY TECHNICAL PEOPLE FOR MORE CLARITY AS YOU NEED IT.

BUT ESSENTIALLY WE'RE LOOKING AT INSTEAD OF THE ORIGINAL DESIGN, WHICH IS WHAT'S BUILT INTO THE CONTRACT TO PUT BASS ROCK DOWN.

AND THEN PAVE ON TOP OF THAT.

THIS CHANGES THE SCOPE TO BE ASPHALT PAVING ONLY, SO NO BASS ROCK.

THAT DOES A COUPLE OF THINGS FOR US.

IT ENABLES US TO GET THE PROJECT GOING FASTER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD.

WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT CHANGING THE SOUTHERN END OF THE ROAD PROJECT, SO THE INTERSECTION WILL NOT GO QUITE AS FAR TO BASICALLY CHANGE THE DESIGN THERE TO AVOID THE CONFLICT WITH THIS PARCEL.

SOME OF THAT REQUIRES BREVARD COUNTY REVIEW AND APPROVAL BECAUSE THEY ARE THE PERMITTING AGENCY ON THIS.

SO WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT WITH THEM.

ULTIMATELY, THE SCOPE FOR THAT CHANGE, THE DESIGN CHANGE, WHICH WILL ACTUALLY SHORTEN THE ROAD, WILL RESULT IN A DEDUCTIVE CHANGE ORDER.

BUT I DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS FOR YOU TODAY, SO I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT THOSE WILL BE.

I KNOW IT WILL BE A REDUCTION, BUT WHAT THAT IS STAFF IS STILL LOOKING AT.

BUT ESSENTIALLY WHAT THIS WOULD DO, THIS CHANGE ORDER WOULD ENABLE US TO CHANGE THE SCOPE OF HOW WE'RE BUILDING THE ROAD.

IT'S CALLED OVERBUILD.

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WE WOULD BE DOING ASPHALT RUNS UP AND DOWN THE ROAD ON THE EAST SIDE, AND IT WOULD BE DONE THROUGH NIGHT WORK, WHICH IS ALSO PART OF THE ADDITIONAL EXPENSE.

BUT THIS WOULD ABSOLUTELY MEET THE TIMELINES TO COMPLETE THE INTERSECTION BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR TO MAKE SURE IT IS DONE, READY, AVAILABLE AND ACCESSIBLE FOR PUBLICS.

WHO WANTS TO OPEN BEFORE THANKSGIVING? AND THAT'S BEEN THEIR TIMELINE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN COMPLETE AND MEET THOSE GOALS AS WELL.

SO THERE'S CERTAINLY MORE WE CAN TALK ABOUT IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.

BUT THAT, IN A NUTSHELL, IS WHY WE'RE BRINGING THIS CHANGE ORDER FORWARD TONIGHT, AND I'M HAPPY TO TALK THROUGH THAT WITH YOU ALL.

HOW WHY ARE WE IN THIS POSITION, MA'AM? SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO, A ONE OF OUR ENGINEERING DESIGN PROFESSIONALS MADE A MISTAKE.

SHOULD HAVE HANDLED THIS AT THE BEGINNING AND DID NOT.

AND THAT IS WHY WE ARE WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY.

THIS IS A COSTLY MISTAKE, MA'AM.

ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL? SPEAKER CARDS.

DEPUTY MAYOR. WE'RE ON PROCUREMENT ONE BILL.

GILBERT. MR..

BAILEY. BILL.

BATTEN 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST.

LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY.

JULY 2022.

BUDGETED IN FOR THIS PROJECT 5.5 MILLION.

DECEMBER OF 2022.

THEY HAD AN OVER COST RUN OF $22,000.

MAY OF 2024.

THEY HAD AN OVERCAST RUN OR OVERCAST RUN OF 92 923,000, JUST SHY OF $1 MILLION.

NOW. HERE WE ARE IN JULY OF 2024.

YOU WANT 1.2 MILLION.

THAT'S A TOTAL OF 7.7 MILLION FOR WHAT STARTED OUT AS A $5.5 MILLION.

THAT'S A 40% OVERRUN BASED ON ENGINEERING, ON DESIGN ENGINEERING.

OKAY. THAT BEING SAID, OKAY.

COULD IT BE BECAUSE THE CITY CURRENTLY HAS $17 MILLION IN NEXUS 32 909 THAT PEOPLE START SAYING, OH, WE SEE THIS MONEY, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GET IT.

I'M JUST THIS IS HOW OPTICS APPEAR TO BILL BATTEN.

YET THE RESIDENTS HAVE TO PAY FOR A $9 MILLION BOND FOR THE SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE.

SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY TO BABCOCK FROM 95 TO BABCOCK.

THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PAID FOR BY THE DEVELOPERS THAT ARE NOW HAVING THE CONFLICT RIGHT, EMERALD LAKES INCLUDED SINCE WE HAVE SEVEN.

NOW SECOND POINT, SINCE WE HAVE $17 MILLION SITTING IN THE KITTY RIGHT NOW, CAN'T WE USE IT TO PAY OFF THE $9 MILLION BOND THAT WE THAT WILL LOWER OUR ANNUAL DEBT PAYMENT, LOWER OUR TOTAL BUDGET TO HELP OUR TOTAL BUDGET? WE COULD USE THAT AND PAY IT DOWN.

WE'D BE DONE. THEN YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ME TALKING ABOUT HOW I HAVE TO PAY $9 MILLION FOR SOMETHING THE BUILDERS WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE DONE, RIGHT? NEXT QUESTION WITH THAT, WITH THIS ROAD BEING IN ON THE COUNTY AND THE CITY, THE COUNTY IS PLANNING ON BRINGING IN ALL THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT.

THEY HAVE A WHOLE NEW DEVELOPMENT COMING IN DOWN THERE THAT THEY WANT TO BUILD, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE WATER AND THEY DON'T HAVE SEWER, BUT THEY'RE GETTING READY.

THEY'RE TALKING WITH US TO THAT.

WE PROVIDE IT FOR THEM.

I UNDERSTAND AS A DUAL, DUAL, DUAL PROCESS GOVERNING, BUT LET'S SEE WHAT THEY'RE KICKING IN TO HELP US TO TRY AND MAKE SOME OF THIS STUFF WORK.

BECAUSE IF WE SAY NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO PROVIDE YOU WATER AND SEWER.

THEY'VE LOST AN ENTIRE MASSIVE DEVELOPMENT DOWN THERE THAT THEY SPENT MILLIONS TRYING TO GET.

WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF POWER NOW TOO.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO PISS OFF MY COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, BUT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU GOT TO SQUEAK TO GET THE OIL.

REMEMBER, THIS IS ALL BECAUSE OF A DESIGN ENGINEERING FAILURE THAT WE JUST SPENT ANOTHER $3 MILLION ON FOR SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY FOR DESIGN ENGINEERING.

I DON'T WANT TO REPEAT HISTORY, FOLKS.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

ANY ANY OTHER SPEAKER CARDS, MADAM CHAIRMAN? YES, SIR. SO ON THE $9 MILLION BOND FOR THE ORIGINAL SAINT JOHN'S HERITAGE PARKWAY OUT THERE, FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE PROJECT TILL NOW, IT HAS NOT BEEN PAID WITH ANY GENERAL FUND TAXPAYER DOLLARS.

IT'S ALL BEEN PAID OUT. TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES FROM THE BEGINNING TILL NOW.

THAT IS ONE OF THE DEBT SERVICE ITEMS THAT FINANCE REVIEWS.

EVERY YEAR WITH OUR OUR OUTSIDE FINANCIAL ADVISORS TO SEE IF IT'S BENEFICIAL TO THE CITY TO PAY IT OFF EARLY.

I KNOW THEY'RE MEETING AGAIN WITH THE TEAM ACTUALLY TOMORROW, SO I'LL KNOW IF THAT ONE IS POTENTIALLY A GOOD FIT FOR WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING, WHICH IS TO PAY IT OFF EARLY, USE THE IMPACT FEES. IF THAT'S DOABLE.

WE'LL LOOK AT IT. THOSE IMPACT FEES THOUGH ARE ALSO YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW FOR THE FUTURE NEEDS FOR WHITING BABCOCK, FOR EXAMPLE, WHICH IS TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

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SO WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT IF IT'S IF IT'S AN OPTION.

AND REGARDING ALL OF THE PROJECTS IN THE COUNTY AND, AND THE CITY AND THE SOUTH PART.

WE ARE WORKING WITH THEIR PUBLIC WORKS TEAM, THEIR GROWTH MANAGEMENT TEAM.

THERE'S A LOT OF COORDINATION THAT GOES ON BETWEEN OUR AGENCIES ON THESE PROJECTS.

THEY REACHED OUT TO US JUST TODAY ABOUT ONE OF THE PROJECTS, THE ROLLING MEADOWS LAKE AREA.

SO WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING WITH THEM SOON ABOUT THAT.

WE WE BELIEVE THAT WITH THAT AREA DOWN SOUTH WORKING TOGETHER, WE ACTUALLY CAN.

THE GOAL IS TO GET MORE OUT OF THE DEVELOPERS, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THEY'RE IN THE CITY OR THE COUNTY TO GET MORE OUT OF THEM TO, YOU KNOW, MEET OUR PUBLIC SAFETY NEEDS AND, AND THOSE ISSUES. SO WE'RE WORKING ON THAT.

AND RIGHT ALONG THAT SAME VEIN IS THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES.

YES, SIR. THAT WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT AND IN INCREASING AFTER THAT STUDY AS WE DO.

MAYOR, IF I MAY GO AHEAD. YES, SIR.

AS WE DO THAT SAME MY MIND FRAME, WE MAY WANT TO CONSIDER LOOKING FOR RECREATION AS WELL.

GET SOME PARCELS.

POTENTIALLY ANOTHER COMMUNITY CENTER.

OKAY, SO WE HAVE NORTHWEST.

NORTHEAST REGIONAL PARK TAKES A LOT OF ACREAGE, BUT AT LEAST THE COMMUNITY CENTER WE HAVE REGIONAL PARK AS WELL.

IT'S A LOT OF ACREAGE, BUT THIS AREA, WE CAN GET THIS THIS PROPERTY.

THAT IS TRUE. TRUE.

BUT. COMMUNITY CENTER.

AT LEAST, YOU KNOW PICKLEBALL, PICKLEBALL, PICKLEBALL CENTER.

BUT, YEAH, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

COPY THAT. SO WE'RE ON PROCUREMENT.

NO OTHER SPEAKER CARDS, DEPUTY MAYOR.

YES, SIR. ALRIGHT, SO, GENTLEMEN, I NEED A MOTION.

WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE? SO MOVED.

SECOND. WE GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE SURE WE ALSO REVIEW ANY OTHER PROJECTS FROM THE ENGINEER BEING THAT WE'RE ALREADY THIS FAR IN.

I KNOW, YEAH.

THAT'S ALL. SO IF I'M, I'M HEARING OR COUNCILMAN JOHNSON CORRECTLY, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE REVIEW ALL THESE THESE ISSUES.

IT IS A COSTLY MISTAKE.

SO I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU.

PERHAPS WE DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE DOWNRANGE.

WE'RE ALREADY WORKING ON IT, SIR, BUT WE DEFINITELY NEED SOME QA QUALITY ASSURANCE ON THIS.

AND THAT NOT JUST THIS PROJECT, BUT ALL PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING UP.

AGREED. DEPUTY MAYOR.

MAYOR. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD.

OKAY. IT'S IT'S. YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS SAID IT ALL.

GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX.

I. WE'RE NOW ON NEW BUSINESS.

ITEM NUMBER TWO, MADAM SHERMAN.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. THIS IS A SERIES OF PURCHASES OF VEHICLES FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT USING IMPACT FEES.

IT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER. IT'S ABOUT $6 MILLION IN IMPACT FEES.

THIS IS ONE ITEM THAT YOU'LL SEE TONIGHT, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE AN EVEN LARGER DISCUSSION ITEM AT YOUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING ON AUGUST 13TH.

AS WE ARE RAPIDLY TRYING TO PROVIDE FUNDING SOLUTIONS FOR THE THE PUBLIC SAFETY NEEDS.

AND SPECIFIC TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WITH THIS ITEM DOES IS IT PREPARES US IN SEVERAL AREAS.

IT BRINGS IN VEHICLES THAT ARE FOR TRAINING, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, BEYOND THE TRAINING VEHICLES THAT ARE IN HERE ARE THINGS LIKE ANOTHER FIRE TENDER THAT IS SIGNIFICANT FOR THE 32909 AREA.

IT'S GOING TO BRING IN THE ABILITY TO HAVE THREE NEW HIGH WATER VEHICLES THAT ARE ALSO KIND OF DOUBLE AS THE BRUSH TRUCKS, WHICH WE NEED TO SERVICE THE CITY.

AND THE ONE THAT I'M MOST EXCITED ABOUT ARE THE ITEM WHERE WE MENTIONED BRINGING IN FIVE SQUAD VEHICLES.

THE SQUAD VEHICLES ARE THE VEHICLES THAT YOU STAFF WITH TWO FIREFIGHTERS.

THEY'RE SMALLER.

THEY'RE ABLE TO QUICKLY DEPLOY TO MEDICAL CALLS IS WHAT THEY ARE USUALLY USED FOR.

AND ONE OF THESE SQUADS BEING PURCHASED HERE ACTUALLY ENABLES US TO CREATE A SITUATION WHERE WE CAN MEET ONE OF OUR OUR SHORT TERM GOALS TO BEGIN TO ADDRESS THE CALL RESPONSE TIME IN THE SOUTHEAST PART OF THE CITY, WHICH IS TO HAVE THE SQUAD VEHICLE STAFF IT AND HOUSE IT.

I USE HOUSING IS NOT THE RIGHT TERM, BUT TO HAVE IT LOCATED AT SUNRISE ELEMENTARY.

WE'VE BEEN IN CONVERSATION WITH THE PRINCIPAL.

THEY THEY LIKE THAT IDEA.

THEY'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH US ON IT.

SO WHAT WE WOULD DO IS AS SOON AS WE GET THE VEHICLE OUTFITTED, READY TO GO STAFFED, WHICH WE HAVE STAFFING TO DO ON OVERTIME RIGHT NOW, WE'LL HAVE MORE STAFF IN OCTOBER

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BECAUSE THE NEW POSITIONS YOU ALL HAD APPROVED AND BECAUSE OF VACANCIES WE'RE PREPARING TO FILL.

SO WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN OUR GOAL IS WITHIN JUST A COUPLE OF MONTHS IS TO HAVE AN ACTUAL SQUAD STAFFING AND AND STATIONED AT SUNRISE ELEMENTARY DURING THE PEAK CALL TIMES, THE TIMES WHEN WE KNOW WE HAVE THE MOST CALLS ON AN AVERAGE DAY, AND THAT WILL BEGIN TO HELP US ON OUR OUR QUEST TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM.

ON THE HEELS OF THAT, AND I DON'T WANT TO I KNOW THIS ISN'T THE ITEM, BUT I'LL TELL YOU, PART OF WHAT'S COMING UP AT THE NEXT MEETING IS THE ADDITIONAL PHASES OF OUR PLAN, WHICH IS TO PROCURE TEMPORARY STATIONS.

WE HAVE A LOCATION OFF OF MERRILL LOMA THAT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED.

WE'D LIKE TO PUT A TEMPORARY STATION.

IT'S NOT CHEAP, BUT WE KNOW WE NEED TO DO THAT.

AND IF WE ARE ABLE TO PUT A TEMPORARY STATION SEPARATELY FROM THAT, WE'RE WORKING ON THE PLAN FOR THE FULL FULLY BUILT OUT THE LOCATION, THE BUILDING OF A NEW BUILDING, A NEW FIRE STATION.

BUT THAT TAKES TIME.

SO THE SHORT TERM SOLUTION IS A SQUAD NOW ON THE HEELS OF THAT, COME BEHIND WITH A TEMPORARY STATION IN THE SOUTHEAST.

WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT ONE FOR THE NORTHWEST ACROSS FROM HERITAGE HIGH SCHOOL.

AND WE HAVE VEHICLES THAT WE'RE ABLE TO ACQUIRE WITHIN, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY A SIX MONTH TIME FRAME THAT WILL HELP US EXPAND BEYOND THIS, THE SQUAD CONCEPT AT A TEMPORARY STATION.

SO IN OTHER WORDS, THERE'S AN ENGINE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE IN DECEMBER OR JANUARY TIME FRAME, WHICH IS UNUSUAL BECAUSE USUALLY THEY TAKE MONTHS AND MONTHS TO BUILD. SOMEONE CANCELED THE ORDER.

WE'RE EVALUATING THAT NOW TO BRING THAT BACK TO YOU, BECAUSE WE'D LIKE TO USE THAT FOR THE FIRE STATION IN THE SOUTHEAST PART OF THE CITY AS WELL.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO RAPIDLY PUT ALL THE PIECES TOGETHER TO GET THE STAFF AND GET THE EQUIPMENT, GET THE STATIONS SET UP DOWN THERE AS WELL AS THE NORTHWEST.

SO THIS ITEM IS ABOUT JUST THE VEHICLE.

SO MORE TO COME WHEN WE DISCUSS THAT AT THE AUGUST 13TH MEETING.

YEAH. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW, BUT SOMETHING I THINK THESE TWO MAN TEAMS ARE REALLY CRITICAL IN PROVIDING EMERGENCY CARE.

ARE THEY EQUIPPED WITH THE LUCAS DEVICE? I GUESS THAT THAT'S MORE FOR THE CHIEF.

HE'S NOT IN HIS HEAD.

YEAH, HE IS, BECAUSE I LIKE HIM TO COME UP ANYWAY.

YEAH, WELL, YES, SURE.

COME ON UP, BECAUSE I.

I'VE SEEN THOSE IN OPERATION AND IT'S JUST TO GET THERE TO OUR RESIDENTS IN A TIMELY MANNER.

I THINK THIS IS THE BEST WAY WE COULD PROVIDE THAT PUBLIC SAFETY CHIEF.

YES, SIR. IT WILL INCLUDE A LIFE PACK AND A LUCAS ALL ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT TOOLS THAT WE NEED.

EVERYTHING YOU HAVE ON THE ENGINE RIGHT NOW AND ON THE TWO CURRENT SQUADS WILL BE ON THESE IN ADDITION TO SOME FIREFIGHTING EQUIPMENT, SO THAT WHEN THEY GET ON SCENE WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEY'VE GOT THEIR PROTECTIVE GEAR.

FORCIBLE ENTRY TOOLS, FIRE EXTINGUISHERS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

TWO MAN TEAM. TWO MAN TEAM.

MOBILE TWO MAN TEAM.

SIR. YES, SIR. EMTS.

PARAMEDICS. THAT. THAT IS THAT IS GUNG HO.

THAT IS THAT'S LIKE A REALLY FIRST RESPONDER JUST HITTING THE PAVEMENT.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

THAT THAT'S I LOVE THAT THEY'RE SO MOBILE IN THOSE F1.

WHAT IS IT? ONE 5450 WELL THE WHAT WE'RE GETTING IS THE F 450 WITH THE IT LOOKS LIKE A UTILITY BODY ON THE BACK OF THOSE OF US THAT ARE OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER THE OLD TV SHOW EMERGENCY SQUAD.

YES. YES, SIR. IT'S PRETTY MUCH IDENTICAL TO THAT.

COPY THAT. I I'M OLD ENOUGH TO SEE THAT.

I ACTUALLY LOVE THAT SHOW.

THANK YOU CHIEF.

APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

I HAVE A IT MIGHT BE FOR THE CHIEF.

YOU MIGHT JUST DO AN ABOUT FACE.

YEAH. SORRY, SIR. BECAUSE I'M.

I'M. I'M PLAYING BACK THE PRESENTATION YOU DID FOR US, SIR, AND I APPRECIATE IT.

WOULD IT BE MORE EFFICIENT TO ALLOCATE ALL THIS TOWARDS FIRE STATION EIGHT TO AT LEAST GET THAT GOING OR.

WELL, WE ARE WORKING ON STATION EIGHT, BUT RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE THE EQUIPMENT TO ACTUALLY RESPOND TO SOME OF THESE CALLS.

AND WHERE I'M HAVING A PROBLEM IS WE'RE USING OUR ENGINES FOR ALL.

WE HAVE TWO SQUADS, ONE AND TWO, AND THEN THE ENGINE COMPANIES AND THE LADDER COMPANIES OR LADDER COMPANY TAKES CARE OF THE REST OF THIS.

SO THOSE FIRE APPARATUS ARE OUT OF SERVICE WHEN WE'RE RUNNING ON MEDICAL CALLS.

AND THEN WHEN WE GO TO THE SOUTH END OF THE CITY.

WHAT WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND IS WHEN WE'RE IN THE NORTH END OF THE CITY, WE'RE LOOKING LIKE WE'RE REALLY HEAVY STAFFED.

BUT AS WE MOVE APPARATUS AND RESOURCES SOUTH TO RESPOND TO CALLS, NOW WE START STRIPPING THE NORTH END OF THE CITY AND WE HAVE EXTENDED RESPONSE TIMES THERE.

SO THESE WILL ALLOW US TO RUN THE BULK OF OUR CALL, WHICH IS THE EMS MEDICAL CALLS.

IT WILL ALLOW US TO RUN MOST OF THOSE CALLS IN THESE VEHICLES AND NOT HAVE TO SEND THE ENGINES SO WE CAN KEEP THE ENGINES FOR THE FIRES, THE ACCIDENTS, THE HAZARDOUS MATERIAL CALLS AND ANY OTHER ALS KIND OF OUR ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT CALLS THAT COME IN.

SO THESE ARE THESE ARE THINGS THAT IMPROVE OUR EFFICIENCY.

AND WE ARE WORKING ON TRYING TO GET LIKE IT WAS MENTIONED, THE TEMPORARY STATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WE COULD GET IN THERE WHILE WE'RE LOOKING TO BUILD THE OTHER THE

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MORE PERMANENT STATION.

OKAY. SO IT'S PART OF THE PLAN TO JUST MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING AS MUCH AS WE CAN EFFICIENTLY WITH THE FUNDS WE HAVE AND UTILIZING THE IMPACT FEES, AS OPPOSED TO GOING TO GENERAL REVENUE.

OKAY. AND I MEANT I MISSPOKE STATION NINE BECAUSE STATION NINE IS THE ONE BY SUNRISE.

SO MY APOLOGIES, BUT I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE PRINCIPAL I APPRECIATE THAT.

YES, I SPOKE WITH HER THIS MORNING AND HER TWO APPS.

YEAH. THEY ARE WORKING ON SEEING IF THEY CAN FIND A SPOT FOR US.

EXCUSE ME. SO THEY SAID THEY'D GET BACK WITH ME ON THAT THERE, BUT THEY WERE VERY EXCITED TO HEAR WHAT WAS GOING ON.

PERFECT. AWESOME. THANK YOU.

YEAH. AND THIS WILL PROLONG THE LIFE OF OUR TRUCKS AS WELL, RIGHT? YES, SIR. I DID LEAVE THAT OUT.

THIS WILL THIS WILL INCREASE THE LIFE EXPECTANCY OF ALL THE MILLION DOLLAR PLUS APPARATUS OUT THERE.

YES, SIR. OUTSTANDING.

THIS IS THIS IS THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

THIS IS MOTIVATING, SIR.

SPEAKER. MR. BATON.

BUT WE RAN ON THE SAME PAGE WITH THIS BILL.

BATTEN, 586 OCEAN SPRAY STREET, SOUTHWEST, 6.3 MILLION.

I UNDERSTAND, FOR YOUR SAFETY LINES.

RIGHT, BUT THAT GENERATES WAS THIS IN THE IN THE BUDGET PRESENTATION THAT WE JUST WATCHED WAS THIS 6.3 MILLION IN THAT BUDGET PRESENTATION WE JUST WATCHED, OR IS THIS SOMETHING ADDITIONAL TO THE BUDGET BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T EVEN PASSED OUR BUDGET YET.

NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SPENDING BUDGETS THAT WE HAVEN'T EVEN GOTTEN TO YET.

I'M JUST I'M JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE I'M WATCHING IT.

THE OTHER QUESTION IS WE SAW WE HEARD ABOUT ALL THE GREAT VEHICLES THAT ARE THERE.

AND I UNDERSTAND IT TO ME PERSONALLY, RAPID RESPONSE TO PEOPLE.

YOU CAN DO A LOT WITH TWO PEOPLE AND ALL THE EQUIPMENT IN HAND, YOU CAN ACCOMPLISH A LOT.

I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THE OTHER THING IN THAT PACKET WAS THE $1.7 MILLION FOR TRAINING.

WHEN YOU BREAK IT DOWN, 1.7 MILLION COULD BUY A LOT OF STUFF.

AND THEN I'VE SAID, WELL, AND AS I WAS READING THE PACKAGE, IT SAYS THOSE VEHICLES COULD BE USED SOMEPLACE ELSE, THOSE TRAINING VEHICLES.

SO FIRST OFF, WHAT IS THE TRAINING VEHICLE? AND IF WE CAN SPEND MONEY ON TRAINING VEHICLES, WHY DON'T WE JUST SPEND MONEY ON VEHICLES THAT WE NEED TO BUILD A MAN THE HOUSES WITH? RIGHT.

THE OTHER QUESTION WITH THAT ONE WAS CURRENT RESIDENCY, JUST SHY OF 140,000 RESIDENTS.

AND THAT'S WHAT'S DETERMINING HOW MANY FIRE STATIONS WE HAVE, HOW BIG THE CITY IS, HOW HAVE THEY SPREAD OUT? THAT'S DETERMINED BY OUR POPULATION.

THAT'S WHAT'S GOVERNING ALL OF THIS.

WELL, MY SUGGESTION IS MAYBE WE HAVE TO HOLD OFF ON THE GROWTH OF THE CITY UNTIL WE CAN FIND MECHANISMS TO MAKE OUR SAFETY FUNCTION COINCIDE WITH THE GROWTH OF THE CITY, INSTEAD OF ALWAYS BEING BACKTRACKING AND TRYING TO CATCH UP.

CASE IN POINT THEY PULLED IT FOR TWO NIGHTS.

FOR NIGHTS OFF THE AGENDA, WE WERE LOOKING AT 789 HOMES BEING BUILT OFF OF JUST OFF OF MALABAR ROAD, AND JUST FOR A FAMILY OF FOUR, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN AN ADDITIONAL 33,156 INDIVIDUALS THAT THAT WOULD HAVE INCREASED ON.

WE HAVE TO INCREASE OUR FIRE AND POLICE RESPONSE FOR.

SO MY SUGGESTION IS SEE HOW WE CAN SLOW THE GROWTH DOWN UNTIL WE FIND THE MECHANISMS THAT ARE GOING TO FUND FUND THE POLICE AND FIRE.

AND THAT'S WHERE I'M AT WITH THIS ONE.

BUT IF THEY HAVE 1.7 MILLION FOR TRAINING VEHICLES, WELL, THEN I'D RATHER SEE $1.7 MILLION INTO REAL FIRE FIGHTING VEHICLES.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIRMAN.

YOU WANT TO CALL UP THE CHIEF? YES. AS FAR AS THE TRAINING VEHICLES AND 1.7, WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IS WE HAVE A.

WE HAVE TWO.

I'LL CALL THEM SURPLUS VEHICLES AN ENGINE AND A LADDER TRUCK.

A LOT OF THIS EQUIPMENT IS GOING ON THOSE VEHICLES.

SO THOSE VEHICLES ARE ALREADY PURCHASED.

THEY'VE REACHED THEIR END OF LIFE FOR AVERAGE RESPONSE TO EMERGENCY CALLS.

THEN THE VEHICLES THAT WERE BUYING THAT ARE THE ACTUAL VEHICLES.

THREE OF THEM, THREE OF THEM WILL BE TO TAKE THE TRAINING OFFICERS WITH A LOT OF THIS EQUIPMENT TO THE STATIONS AND DIRECTLY DELIVER THE TRAINING IN THE STATIONS WHERE WE CAN DO THAT, KEEP THOSE UNITS IN THEIR AREA IN CASE THERE'S A CALL.

THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE TO TO MOVE COVERAGE AROUND AND EXTEND RESPONSE TIMES.

SO THAT'S WHAT THOSE ARE.

AND THEN A COUPLE OF THE OTHERS I THINK IT'S TWO OTHERS ARE JUST VEHICLES THAT ARE STAFF VEHICLES.

BUT BUT THE PURCHASE OF THOSE STAFF VEHICLES WE NOW HAVE THE AVAILABILITY OF TAKEN CURRENT STAFF VEHICLES AND MAKING UP TO THREE SQUADS THAT WE CAN GET INTO SERVICE IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS.

WHILE WE'RE WAITING ON THE DELIVERY OF THE ONES WE'RE PURCHASING THAT ARE IN HERE TONIGHT ALSO.

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SO THERE IS IT'S 1.7 MILLION.

THAT'S CORRECT. BUT WHAT IT IS, IT'S IT'S A VARIETY OF TOOLS.

IT'S A VARIETY OF VEHICLES AND IT'S A VARIETY OF PROPS.

AND THAT 1.7 OR THAT MONEY THERE, A LOT OF THAT IS PROPS.

THE FLASHOVER CONTAINER WE TALKED ABOUT, WHICH NOT ONLY SAVES LIVES OF THE FIREFIGHTERS, BUT IT ALSO SHOWS THEM HOW TO REDUCE PROPERTY LOSS WHEN THEY GET INTO THAT KIND OF ENVIRONMENT. PROPS TO SHOW US HOW TO VENTILATE A ROOF PROPERLY.

SO WHEN WE'RE ON THE ROOF, WE'RE VENTILATING IT SAFELY AND WE'RE NOT FALLING THROUGH THE ROOF, WHICH HAPPENS TOO MUCH.

WE HAVE WINDOWS THAT ARE GOING TO BE INSTALLED IN THE CURRENT TOWER THAT YOU PURCHASED FOR US, SO THAT WE CAN BEAT UP THE WINDOWS AND FORCE ENTRY WITHOUT DAMAGING THE CURRENT TOWER. WE HAVE WALLS IN THERE THAT WILL ALSO GO INSIDE OF THAT BUILDING, SO THAT WE'RE NOT IN A BIG OPEN VOID, CONSTANTLY GOING TO THE SAME PLACE.

NOW WE'RE ABLE TO SWITCH IT AROUND.

SO IT'S MORE LIKE GOING INTO DIFFERENT HOMES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

WE ALSO HAVE IN THERE IN SOME OF THESE THINGS WE'RE NOT EXACTLY SURE ON, I'LL BE HONEST ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW, IS INFRASTRUCTURE ON THAT COST? THERE INCLUDES WATER SUPPLY AND ELECTRICITY, CONCRETE, THOSE KIND OF THINGS WE HAVE.

WE DO NOT HAVE THE WATER TO ADEQUATELY RUN THE TRAINING CENTER.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT OPTIONS ON HOW TO GET WATER IN.

THERE. IS THAT WATER LINES WITH HYDRANTS, IS IT TANKS TO BRING WATER IN AND STORE IT, THAT KIND OF STUFF.

SO WE'RE NOT SURE ABOUT THAT.

THEY MAY NOT THAT MAY NOT EVEN MATERIALIZE BASED ON HOW WE HOW WE GET IT AND WHAT THAT'S GOING TO COST.

ELECTRICITY. WE HAVE NOTHING OUT THERE AT NIGHT TO SHOW, TO HAVE LIGHTS SO THAT WE'RE SAFELY FUNCTIONING OUT THERE WHILE WE'RE TRAINING.

AND NIGHTTIME TRAINING IS REQUIRED AS PART OF OUR TRAINING THROUGH THE ISO TO REDUCE THE FIRE INSURANCE PREMIUMS. WE ALSO HAVE IN THEIR CONCRETE, YOU'LL SEE CONCRETE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THAT'S TO PUT OUR VEHICLES ON WHEN WE'RE TRAINING FOR EXTRICATION, SO THAT WHEN WE'RE DONE, WE CAN TAKE AND CLEAN IT UP AND MOVE IT AWAY INSTEAD OF LEAVING THE I'M SORRY, THE GLASS AND THE SHRAPNEL AND THINGS LIKE THAT FROM WHERE WE WERE EXTRICATING ON THE GROUND.

NOW WE HAVE UNSAFE CONDITIONS.

WE HAVE CONFINED SPACE RESCUE AND TRENCH RESCUE.

THESE ARE CALLS THAT WE GO TO, BUT WE HAVE NO PLACE TO PRACTICE ON HOW TO SAFELY GET INTO THESE ENVIRONMENTS WITHOUT GETTING OURSELVES CAUGHT INTO A POSITION WHERE THAT'S THINGS ARE COLLAPSING AROUND US AND WE'RE LOSING THE LIVES OF FIREFIGHTERS.

SO YES, THERE'S THAT 1.7 HAS LOTS OF VEHICLES, IT HAS THE VEHICLES, BUT IT ALSO HAS A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE THE TRAINING SECTION FUNCTIONAL AND TO DELIVER IT OFF SITE SO THAT WE KEEP THE UNITS IN THE IN THEIR DISTRICTS AND CONTINUE TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO REDUCE THE RESPONSE TIME.

AND AS A SIDE PART OF THIS, THIS IS ALL THESE SAME PIECES OF EQUIPMENT ARE NECESSARY TO BECOME A STATE CERTIFIED TRAINING CENTER, WHICH DOWN THE ROAD ALLOWS US TO TEACH TO DELIVER CLASSES THAT WE CURRENTLY CURRENTLY CANNOT DELIVER.

AND AT THE SAME TIME, DOWN THE ROAD, IF WE GET CERTIFIED AND EVERYTHING WORKS OUT FOR US, THEN WE START GENERATING REVENUE.

SO YES, IT IS THERE AND THAT'S A LOT OF STUFF AND IT IS PHASE ONE.

BUT WE NEED THIS TO TRAIN THE FIREFIGHTERS IF I DON'T HAVE PROPERLY AND SAFELY TRAINED FIREFIGHTERS, I CAN'T DELIVER A SERVICE TO THE CITIZENS TO WHERE THAT THEY CAN EXPECT TO BE PROPERLY SERVICED BY THE FIREFIGHTERS OUT THERE, WHICH MEANS WE NEED THE TRAINING TO SAVE THEIR LIVES LIKE WE NEEDED TO SAVE OURS.

YEAH, I LIKE WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE LIGHT SYSTEM AS WELL, CHIEF, BECAUSE I WITNESSED THE FIRE IN THE EVENING.

RIGHT. AND IT GETS CHALLENGING.

YES. TO TO COME IN.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, I SEEN ONE OF THE FEMALE FIREFIGHTERS TAKE CONTROL OVER THAT FIRE.

SO IT WAS REALLY EXCITING TO SEE THE CHIEF'S DAUGHTER.

YES. I'M GOING TO CALL HER OUT.

FIREFIGHTER ARGUELLO, SO MIGHT AS WELL JUST CALL IT OUT.

RIGHT. BUT TO TO THAT END, I THINK ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT MASTER CHIEF HAD WAS THE FUNDING ASPECT TO IT.

HIS BREAKDOWN, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.

WHAT THE FUNDING.

THAT'S ALL IMPACT FEES. THIS IS ALL IMPACT FEES.

IT'S NOT IN THE CURRENT BUDGET, NOR IS IT IN THE UPCOMING BUDGET, BECAUSE WE'RE USING THE IMPACT FEES AND THAT THAT'S WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S WHY IT'S THERE IS FOR US TO TAKE AND LET DEVELOPERS PAY FOR THE SERVICES THAT WE NEED.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THIS PROJECT.

THANK YOU. AND ALSO, I THINK THE INITIAL QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE PRESENTATION THAT WE HAD JUST DONE.

SO THESE ARE ALL VEHICLES THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, PART OF THAT PRESENTATION, RIGHT? YES. AND IT DID SAY IN THE PRESENTATION IT SHOWED ON THE SIDE WHERE WE WERE BUYING THESE VEHICLES WITH IMPACT FEES.

SO WE SHOWED THE OVERALL COST OF A STATION.

AND THEN WE EXTRACTED WHAT WAS GOING TO BE PURCHASED BY INCOME BY IMPACT FEES, THEREBY REDUCING THE COST FROM GENERAL REVENUE.

THANK YOU CHIEF.

THANK YOU. ANY. YES.

BECAUSE I'M STARTING TO.

I SEE WHERE MR. BATTEN IS GETTING AT.

WITH THE TRAINING FACILITY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT BUILDING, ARE ARE THERE? WELL, THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO WE'RE LOOKING TO PUT ALMOST $1 MILLION TOWARDS IT.

HAVE WE LOOKED AT HOW MUCH WE'RE GOING TO MAKE FROM IT?

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BECAUSE YOU SAID YOU MIGHT BE HOSTING HOW MUCH WE'LL MAKE FROM IT.

YOU SAID THAT RIGHT NOW THAT'S GOING TO BE SEVERAL YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.

AND IT'S GOING TO IT WILL COST US A LOT TO JUST IF WE WERE TO DECIDE TODAY TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE THIS A STATE CERTIFIED TRAINING CENTER, IT'S GOING TO COST US MILLIONS.

THIS IS A PHASE IN APPROACH.

AS IT SAYS HERE IN THE DOCUMENT, THIS IS PHASE ONE.

IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO TAKE A FEW YEARS TO GET US TO THAT POINT, TO WHERE WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE WHAT WE DON'T HAVE IN HERE IS A NEED FOR CLASSROOMS. THE STATE SAYS WE HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF CLASSROOM SPACE.

WE HAVE TO HAVE AREAS FOR THEM TO TAKE THEIR SHOWERS, RESTROOMS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

THAT'S NOT IN HERE YET, BUT WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS THAT.

NOW, AS FAR AS WHAT THE REVENUE IS DOWN THE ROAD, THAT WOULD BE ONCE WE GET DONE, THAT'S KIND OF I DON'T WANT TO SAY UNLIMITED, BUT IT'S BASED ON WHAT WE PUT IN THE GROUND AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE TECHNICAL RESCUE TRAINING THAT THAT'S A HIGH.

THAT'S A HIGH COST TRAINING THAT WHERE IF WE TURN AROUND, WE CAN GET SEVERAL HUNDRED DOLLARS TO BRING PER STUDENT TO BRING THEM THERE FOR THAT KIND OF TRAINING.

OTHER TRAININGS MIGHT BE ONLY 50 OR $100, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THOSE PEOPLE COMING THROUGH MORE FREQUENTLY THAN YOU WILL IN THE TECHNICAL RESCUE.

THE CONFINED SPACE AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.

SO THE EXACT NUMBER IS BASED ON WHAT WE PUT ON THE PROPERTY.

OKAY. DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF HOW MANY OF THESE STATE FACILITIES THAT ARE ALREADY I KNOW I I'M SORRY.

I WELL II WOULD YOU SAY MORE THAN 20? YEAH. PRETTY MUCH HAS ONE.

SO THAT'S AT LEAST 67.

OKAY. THERE'S A COUPLE THERE'S SOME COUNTIES THAT HAVE TWO.

THEIR FIRE DEPARTMENTS HAVE JUST THEY HAVE THEIR OWN STANDALONE TRAINING CENTERS THAT ARE STATE CERTIFIED.

THAT WAY THEY CAN TEACH CLASSES AND NOT HAVE TO GO PAY ELSEWHERE BECAUSE LIKE, RIGHT NOW, IF I WANTED TO DO CONFINED SPACE TRAINING OR I WANTED TO DO ANY OF THAT TECHNICAL RESCUE STUFF, I WOULD HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE AND PAY THEM HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS PER STUDENT TO GET THAT TRAINING.

NOW, ONCE WE GET THIS CERTIFICATION, NOW WHAT I'M DOING IS PAYING FOR SUPPLIES AND OUR TRAINING STAFF TEACHES IT.

SO THERE'S THAT REDUCTION OF WHERE WE'RE SAVING.

AND THEN I CAN TELL YOU THIS WAS IF IF WE MOVE FORWARD AND THIS IS DOWN THE ROAD AND EVERYTHING GOES RIGHT.

WHEN I DID THIS SAME THING IN CORAL SPRINGS, OUR TRAINING CENTER THERE, AND THAT'S ONE OF THREE IN THAT COUNTY.

WE TURNED AROUND AND WE COVERED THE REVENUE FOR ALL TRAINING FOR CITY EMPLOYEES.

WE COVERED THE COST OF THE FACILITY, THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE NEEDED, BUT WE HAD TO HAVE THE SEED MONEY TO GET IT STARTED.

SO THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT WAS HUGE.

AND WE WERE WHEN I LEFT THERE, WE WERE BRINGING OVER $1 MILLION A YEAR IN CLASS REVENUE.

OKAY, I'M NOT GUARANTEEING THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE.

YEAH, I UNDERSTAND, YEAH, BUT WE DON'T KNOW YET.

THE ONLY OTHER. THE ONLY OTHER THING.

THIS GOT LOUD.

OKAY. I DON'T SEE THE THE TRAINING VEHICLES AS A IMMEDIATE NEED.

I FEEL LIKE THAT THAT CAN BE USED ELSEWHERE.

THE NOT I'M NOT TAKING AWAY FROM THE 1.7, BUT THE 406,000 BECAUSE THE VEHICLES THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE USED ALL THE TIME. SO THEY'LL JUST BE SITTING FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THERE'S THREE PICKUP TRUCKS IN THERE THAT, THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT SOME OF THESE PROPS AND TAKE THEM TO THE STATIONS. WE HAVE NO MEANS OF GETTING THEM TO THE STATIONS.

IF WE IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THE VEHICLES TO GET THEM TO THE STATIONS, THEN WE'D HAVE TO BRING THE TRUCKS INTO THE TRAINING CENTER, WHICH IS GOING TO INCREASE RESPONSE TIME WHILE THOSE TRUCKS ARE OUT.

ADDITIONALLY, THESE VEHICLES, THESE TRAINING OFFICERS ARE ALSO OUR HEALTH AND SAFETY OFFICERS, AND THEY RESPOND TO MAJOR EVENTS AS AN INCIDENT COMMAND SUPPORT PERSON, SO THEY'RE ABLE TO FUNCTION IN THE CAPACITY OF SAFETY OFFICER AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

ACCOUNTABILITY, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE INCIDENT COMMANDER NEEDS THEM TO DO.

SO IT'S MORE THAN JUST A TRAINING VEHICLE, BUT IT'S ASSIGNED TO THE TRAINING DIVISION TO CARRY THE TRAINING PROPS, AND WE'RE USING IT FOR OTHER THINGS AT THE SAME TIME.

OKAY. APOLOGIES FOR ALL THE QUESTIONS.

I'M GOING BACK AND FORTH BECAUSE WE HAD THAT'S RIGHT.

WE HAD THE 40 PAGE.

YEAH, WE HAD THE 40 PAGE SLIDE A MONTH AGO.

AND I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE AND WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS A LOT OF THAT FROM THAT PRESENTATION IN THIS DOCUMENT.

OKAY. GOOD QUESTION.

YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE I REMEMBER THERE WAS A LOT YOU GAVE US A LOT ON THAT.

IT WAS A LOT. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WITH AND WE HAVE A LOT OF NEEDS I APOLOGIZE.

SO SOME AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE USING IT FOR THE BEST FOR DOWN RANGE.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. DOCUMENT HAS BEEN TORN UP FOR SEVERAL MONTHS.

OKAY. AND REWRITTEN AND STUFF TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GETTING THE MOST EFFICIENT USE OUT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.

IT'S BEEN RAN THROUGH LEGAL FOR THEIR APPROVAL.

THEY HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY HELPFUL AND TELLING US WHAT WE CAN AND WE CANNOT DO.

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OKAY. YOU KNOW, LIKE THE STAFF, MY STAFF HAS THROWN IDEAS BACK AND FORTH.

THIS THIS HAS BEEN A WELL RESEARCHED DOCUMENT TO GET US TO THE NEXT LEVEL.

OKAY. IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE FOUNDATION.

YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. I THINK THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT'S NEEDED TO SAVE LIVES, RIGHT? ULTIMATELY, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS IMPROVING OUR PUBLIC SAFETY.

BUT THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS.

NO ADDITIONAL SPEAKER CARDS.

SO I NEED A MOTION.

SO I'LL SECOND IT.

SO I GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX, SECONDED BY MAYOR MEDINA.

DEPUTY MAYOR.

MAYOR, I THINK A LOT HAS BEEN SAID.

THE CHIEF WAS PRETTY CLEAR AS TO ANSWERING ALL OUR QUESTIONS AND SOME OF THE CONCERNS AS WELL.

I MEAN, THE NEED THE NEEDS ARE CLEAR.

THEY'RE THERE. SO I'M WILLING TO TRULY PUT PUT OUR MONEY WHERE OUR MOUTHS ARE AND JUST APPROVE THIS.

YEAH. YOU KNOW, I AGREE, I, I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS NOT ONLY TRAINING ASPECT, BUT THOSE TWO MEN THOSE TWO MEN TEAMS AND THEN AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK COUNCILMAN JOHNSON I THINK YOU NAILED IT.

WHEN IT COMES TO THE THE TRAINING FACILITY, THIS HAS GOT TO BE THIS IS A HUGE ELEPHANT, RIGHT? AND I THINK I SAID THIS THE LAST THE LAST TIME IS YOU'VE TAKEN A BITE OUT OF IT EACH AND EVERY TIME.

AND THIS IS A BITE.

IT IS THE FIRE IMPACT FEES.

AND THERE IS A HUGE NEED.

AND I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THESE TWO MAN TEAMS EQUIPPED WITH LUCAS DEVICE AND THOSE FIRST, THOSE THOSE CRITICAL EQUIPMENT THAT CRITICAL EQUIPMENT WOULD, WOULD SAVE A LIFE.

I'VE HAD THE HONOR AND BLESSING TO BE PART OF THAT AT ONE OUTING WITH OUR FIRST RESPONDERS.

SO I, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY BELIEVE OUR, OUR PRIMARY GOAL IS TO PROVIDE PUBLIC SAFETY SO THAT THAT'S WHY SECOND IT THIS MOTION IS THERE.

YES. THAT'S WHY I'M IS THERE YOU CAN SHAKE YOUR HEAD.

YES OR NO? IS THERE ALREADY A OTHER CITY OR MUNICIPALITY OR THE COUNTY WITH THOSE TRAINING FACILITY? OKAY. BREVARD COUNTY.

OKAY. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THAT YOU WANTED TO? I HAVE A MOTION.

I'M JUST THINKING IT MIGHT BE I DON'T KNOW, IT MIGHT BE CHEAPER TO USE THEIRS OR OR.

SO. YOU WANT TO COME BACK? I'M SORRY. I'M. BECAUSE THIS.

I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER APPROVED I.

YES, IT'S A NEED, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER APPROVED THE AMOUNT THIS MUCH IN ONE.

YEAH. 1 IN 1.

THAT'S. I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION OF OUR COUNTY.

THERE'S ANOTHER, THERE'S MELBOURNE OR WEST.

YOU SAID COUNTY. YOU SAID BREVARD COUNTY HAS ONE.

BREVARD COUNTY. IT'S ABOUT 25 MINUTES OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF PALM BAY OFF 95 AND O'GALLEY AM I SAYING THAT RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH. EASY.

OUT TO THE WEST? YES, OUT TO THE WEST.

YEAH. YES, SIR. RIGHT BY THE FLEA MARKET.

YEAH. SO THAT MEANS WE'RE TAKING THAT TRUCK OUT OF SERVICE FOR IF IT'S A FOUR HOUR CLASS, AT LEAST FIVE HOURS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COVER THAT AREA.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH. I JUST IT'S I DON'T THINK SINCE WE'VE BEEN IT'S BEEN A LARGE CHUNK.

NOW THIS IS IT'S HUGE.

BUT YEAH THERE'S A HUGE DEFICIENCY.

THERE'S A HUGE NEED. YES, SIR.

NEED. SO I GOT A MOTION.

THANK YOU CHIEF. THANK YOU.

I GOT A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR FELIX, SECONDED BY MAYOR MEDINA.